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| 00:00.05 | MobyTurbo | I use and will still use qwerty, I'm left-handed so the purposeful slowing down of frequent keys by placing them under the left hand is good for me. :-) |
| 00:00.32 | jair | pipeline: I am sorry but I did not get it? |
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| 00:00.59 | bloom | jair: if you have to ask where to get sid, then you probably shouldn't |
| 00:01.04 | icyfire0573 | jair: sid is unstable, sarge is testing, you should really look around more on debian.org than asking here |
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| 00:01.14 | bbrazil | icyfire0573: sarge is stable |
| 00:01.20 | MobyTurbo | icyfire0573: sarge is stable, etch is testing |
| 00:01.25 | icyfire0573 | bbrazil: your absolutly right |
| 00:01.28 | resiak | pipeline: I know where the keys are now, but I can't type without thinking. Hah, that's a good point. What are the chances of talking to a D user at random? :) |
| 00:01.54 | icyfire0573 | resiak: and one you just had a huge argument with to boot! |
| 00:02.15 | MobyTurbo | !nickometer icyfire0573 |
| 00:02.16 | dpkg | 'icyfire0573' is 56.000% lame, mobyturbo |
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| 00:02.35 | absent000 | so... i mounted /dev/hda1 to /media/c but i can only access it as root, how can i change it so i can access it when im not? also, is it bad to always log in as root? or should i try to use a login as much as possible? |
| 00:02.42 | thomas22 | I need help configuring an actiontek DSL modem to direct port80 traffic to my debian box that runs apache - Ive telnetted into the modem but I dont see port settings anywhere |
| 00:03.01 | resiak | icyfire0573: Yeah |
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| 00:03.40 | icyfire0573 | absent000: umm, there is something you can do with the umask in /etc/fstab to allow others access to the drive, also logging in as root is not recommended unless you need the power for something |
| 00:03.42 | MobyTurbo | absent000: log in normally and su to root when needed, and for the first question "man fstab" |
| 00:04.12 | bigbill52a | absent.... |
| 00:04.28 | resiak | !tell absent000 -about vfatrw |
| 00:04.36 | jair | Iknow that sarge shortly was pass to stable and the netinst continue installing the apt- repositories to etch which is testing now. |
| 00:05.05 | resiak | absent000: _Read_it_ this time. |
| 00:05.11 | bigbill52a | /dev/hdb3 /media/c vfatumask=00000 |
| 00:05.11 | MobyTurbo | jair: the latest netinst are for stable |
| 00:05.24 | bigbill52a | /dev/hda1...duh |
| 00:05.26 | jair | but I don't know why is so hard to tell me where I can get the sid distribution and the other question is if the installer is the same? |
| 00:05.35 | jair | ohhhh I understand now |
| 00:05.58 | jair | at the moment of install the packages I can select unstable and then i will be running sid |
| 00:05.59 | bigbill52a | /dev/hda1 /media/c vfat umask=000 0 0 |
| 00:06.20 | icyfire0573 | jair: just use the testing install, then find out how to upgrade to sid from there |
| 00:06.20 | resiak | jair: You _should_ _not_ run Sid. |
| 00:06.20 | jair | but it is a more updated version of netinst??? |
| 00:06.24 | jair | resiak: why not? |
| 00:06.35 | resiak | !tell jair -about sid faq |
| 00:06.44 | budluva | how can i find hardware information on a device such as my harddrive? is there a command such as lspci for ide devices? |
| 00:06.50 | MobyTurbo | jair: yes, it is not less advanced for using stable |
| 00:06.58 | cthulfuego | jair: Because Sid _will_ break beyond you ability to repair. |
| 00:07.11 | Zrin | in a shell script, i want to start two commands in parallel and then wait for both to finish - how? |
| 00:07.11 | icyfire0573 | jair: because sid is not actually unstable, as opposed to being kinda unstable like it used to be |
| 00:07.11 | icyfire0573 | s/not/now |
| 00:07.11 | mborohovski | hey guys, i have a question |
| 00:07.11 | mborohovski | when i run lilo, i get one of these: |
| 00:07.11 | mborohovski | Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 00:07.13 | mborohovski | Name change: '/dev/cloop0' -> '/tmp/dev.0' |
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| 00:07.29 | jair | ohhh ok |
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| 00:07.42 | trave11er | :-) |
| 00:07.48 | mborohovski | Warning: '/dev' directory structure is incomplete; device (240,0) is missing. |
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| 00:07.49 | icyfire0573 | Zrin: i think you can run them both with an & after them , and then use the wait command to wait for them to end |
| 00:07.56 | jair | but I did not have intentions to change or use sid for my organization |
| 00:07.57 | mborohovski | and then it kernel panics when trying to boot |
| 00:08.01 | unkn0wn | any1 can tell me how can i do aterm without boarder? |
| 00:08.03 | Zrin | icyfire0573: thx |
| 00:08.11 | jair | I use sarge (testing ) on the netinst that i was using |
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| 00:08.13 | cthulfuego | unkn0wn: aterm has no boarders |
| 00:08.15 | bigbill52a | absent you can also go to http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ there is a lot info in there that applies to debian....answers a lot questions |
| 00:08.19 | unkn0wn | no |
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| 00:08.27 | unkn0wn | there are boarders |
| 00:08.29 | trave11er | mborohovski: still no luck? |
| 00:08.36 | mborohovski | trave11er: none. |
| 00:08.36 | MobyTurbo | jair: sarge is stable now |
| 00:08.38 | unkn0wn | i want to do aterm without boarders |
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| 00:08.40 | cthulfuego | unkn0wn: No, there are not. border maybe, but no boarders. |
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| 00:08.45 | jair | but now it should be a netinst that will change the repositories of sarge from "testing" to "sarge" |
| 00:08.48 | unkn0wn | sorry |
| 00:08.48 | resiak | unkn0wn: man aterm |
| 00:08.50 | unkn0wn | my english |
| 00:08.55 | adhara | hi |
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| 00:08.59 | unkn0wn | i searched |
| 00:09.00 | MobyTurbo | jair: etch hasn't really started yet |
| 00:09.00 | jair | MobyTurbo: read my line |
| 00:09.07 | unkn0wn | any1 can tell me? |
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| 00:09.13 | cthulfuego | unkn0wn: If you can't find it, perhaps it can't be done. |
| 00:09.23 | MobyTurbo | jair: you are very confused, which means for you, DON'T RUN SID |
| 00:09.24 | jair | MobyTurbo: ok but then it is not a latest netinst than the RC3 |
| 00:09.29 | unkn0wn | so u don't know? |
| 00:09.33 | deadcat | do i put Regex or RegEx on my resume? |
| 00:09.49 | amphi | regex |
| 00:09.51 | icyfire0573 | deadcat: you put regular expressions |
| 00:09.56 | MobyTurbo | jair: after Sarge's release, the RC3 (relase candidate 3) became released as a normal release, now 3.1a |
| 00:09.56 | adhara | is anyone so kind to tell me how can I delete the 1st word on each line of a text file? I guess using cut but really don't know how to do that. Thanks a lot! |
| 00:09.56 | jair | MobyTurbo: I know I just wanted to test it, some applications are running on sid that not in stable or sarge |
| 00:09.59 | deadcat | ok |
| 00:10.01 | jair | like kde 4 |
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| 00:10.12 | jair | vlc streaming video serevr |
| 00:10.12 | absent000 | man fstabid |
| 00:10.13 | MobyTurbo | jair: once you upgrade you can't downgrade |
| 00:10.13 | jair | server |
| 00:10.18 | absent000 | oops... |
| 00:10.19 | jair | ohh ok |
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| 00:10.31 | unkn0wn | anyone know? |
| 00:10.31 | stresscool | 'night |
| 00:10.32 | jair | that is why i was trying to see how it looks like |
| 00:10.40 | cthulfuego | jair: Stuff doesn'r "run" on sid. it "crashes a lot" on sid. |
| 00:10.48 | jair | ohhh ok |
| 00:11.00 | stresscool | i try to run my perfection 1260 with debian but i've troubles |
| 00:11.19 | stresscool | i'm not able to modpreobe scanner xxxx:xxxx xxx:xxx |
| 00:11.27 | stresscool | may have you an idea ? |
| 00:11.36 | jair | MobyTurbo: but the 3.01r is not in the netinst yet right? |
| 00:11.40 | jair | in the installer/ |
| 00:11.42 | jair | ? |
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| 00:11.44 | resiak | unkn0wn: -bw 0 ? |
| 00:11.49 | jair | it is sarge but as a testing |
| 00:11.50 | icyfire0573 | well, modprobe is spelled wrong, and is the module called scanner or something else? |
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| 00:11.58 | jair | when actually is stable now |
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| 00:12.02 | MobyTurbo | jair: 3.1a has a netstinst available |
| 00:12.03 | unkn0wn | no |
| 00:12.09 | MobyTurbo | netinst* |
| 00:12.18 | resiak | unkn0wn: *shrug* |
| 00:12.21 | unkn0wn | doesnt works |
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| 00:12.32 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 00:12.32 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 00:12.33 | stresscool | icyfire0573, no there isn't any scanner modules |
| 00:12.41 | jair | Moby where is it on the debian.org |
| 00:12.42 | cthulfuego | unkn0wn: Have you contemplated that perhaps it's not possible to run aterm without a border? |
| 00:12.55 | jair | MobyTurbo: the new netinst is on the debian.org? |
| 00:12.59 | unkn0wn | no |
| 00:13.10 | unkn0wn | it is possile |
| 00:13.28 | icyfire0573 | stresscool: so it would be impossible to modprobe scanner, you need to get the modules required for it and then try them |
| 00:13.33 | MobyTurbo | jair: www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 00:13.37 | resiak | unkn0wn: RTFM again then. |
| 00:13.49 | jetx | zzz |
| 00:13.55 | cthulfuego | unkn0wn: I just checked google. The first hit explained how to do it. |
| 00:14.08 | Guerin | window border should be a wm thing, not an app thing |
| 00:14.08 | stresscool | icyfire0573, have look to this page please, http://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/index.html |
| 00:14.21 | resiak | Guerin: xmms? |
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| 00:14.28 | cthulfuego | Guerin: That is correct. |
| 00:14.31 | Guerin | resiak: point |
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| 00:14.38 | jair | MobyTurbo: Thank you very much. |
| 00:14.43 | jair | MobyTurbo: :) |
| 00:15.03 | IFRFLYR | HI folks. I'm installing a Linksys usb wlan card and have ndiswrapper 1.1-1; must I extract the relevant drivers whilst in Windows or are there any deb tools or linux utilities to suck them from the .exe file I got from Linksys? |
| 00:15.04 | MobyTurbo | jair: np, it's easy enough to find it on www.debian.org... |
| 00:15.13 | cthulfuego | Guerin: aterm borders are drawn by the wm (unlike xmms, which has awful widgets) |
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| 00:15.45 | jair | MobyTurbo: I have another situation, I have a server with a xeon processor, i should install the kernel i686 or i686smp? |
| 00:15.54 | Guerin | cthulfuego: right. |
| 00:16.02 | mborohovski | trave11er: any new ideas? |
| 00:16.05 | stresscool | how many xeon ? |
| 00:16.05 | Guerin | jair: just the one processor? |
| 00:16.06 | mborohovski | and did you ask around at all? |
| 00:16.15 | CasaNova | I can't seem to locate libppm (ppm.h) I tried searching and googling for libppm and debian sarge but pages come back in non english text :-) |
| 00:16.23 | MobyTurbo | jair: if you don't know whether an expensive server is SMP or not you have problems bigger than that. |
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| 00:16.43 | cthulfuego | <heh> |
| 00:16.50 | jair | MobyTurbo: also when I install that new stable version of sarge it will install the kernel image 386 by default right? if I have a amd 2500 I will have to do a installation through the terminal of kernel image-k7 right? |
| 00:16.57 | cthulfuego | Go ask your boss to hire a copetent person. |
| 00:17.11 | mborohovski | ouch guys. i felt that one, haha |
| 00:17.12 | jetx | co-petant |
| 00:17.12 | redtech | wow |
| 00:17.12 | mborohovski | jk |
| 00:17.13 | CasaNova | oh fuego take it easy :-) |
| 00:17.23 | MobyTurbo | jair: a 386 kernel will run fine on any ia32 hardware |
| 00:17.24 | jair | Guerin: yes it have support for two |
| 00:17.26 | cthulfuego | CasaNova: Howso? |
| 00:17.32 | IFRFLYR | No ndiswrapper users? Anyone? |
| 00:17.35 | jair | Guerin: but I think is using only one |
| 00:17.41 | CasaNova | that seemed harsh - sounds very new, just needs to larn |
| 00:17.43 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 00:17.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:17.46 | cthulfuego | CasaNova: Having a few questions is one thing... |
| 00:17.55 | stresscool | IFRFLYR, what is your problem with ndiswrapper |
| 00:18.04 | CasaNova | ok ok - I just wnat to find libppm in deb form.. |
| 00:18.11 | cthulfuego | CasaNova: yeah, the private sector _is_ harsh. |
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| 00:18.25 | IFRFLYR | Actually nothing with that, just never used it and wondered if there are any tools to extract the .inf and related files under deb rather than finding a windows machine! |
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| 00:18.34 | IFRFLYR | I have the enormous .exe from linksys |
| 00:18.35 | iao | what is the package for automatic time updating? |
| 00:18.39 | IFRFLYR | ntp |
| 00:18.55 | cthulfuego | IFRFLYR: Install winrar, unpack the .exe to a directory. Pick out the files you need. |
| 00:18.55 | jair | so my AMD server 2500 will not run better with the image kernel k-7 ? when I am using the kernel image 386 |
| 00:18.57 | resiak | IFRFLYR: wine |
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| 00:19.05 | IFRFLYR | Ahhhh! |
| 00:19.14 | MobyTurbo | jair: it will be a bit faster with the optimized kernel |
| 00:19.15 | jetx | i missed the part where they said it wouldn't run better |
| 00:19.22 | stresscool | IFRFLYR, you just have to unzip the archive and put the if file any where you'll can load it |
| 00:19.24 | jair | now this server if have two processors then i will have to install the smp version of the i686 kernel right? |
| 00:19.30 | CasaNova | jair: follow the debian install docs during install you can pick a kernel for you cpu |
| 00:19.32 | jair | got it |
| 00:19.39 | jetx | of the appropriate kernel version |
| 00:19.41 | IFRFLYR | Thanks everyone! |
| 00:19.43 | jair | really |
| 00:19.47 | MobyTurbo | jair: if you want to take advantage of both processors yes |
| 00:19.48 | cthulfuego | jair: No, the non-SMP version will run fine too. |
| 00:20.01 | jair | CASohh ok |
| 00:20.03 | cthulfuego | MobyTurbo: The same goes for a single (but HT) cpu. |
| 00:20.03 | jair | cool |
| 00:20.04 | trave11er | mborohovski: well, i am talking to d-i people now. they say that in principle it should be possible to build a mini-iso with 2.6.11 from d-i svn |
| 00:20.08 | iao | IFRFLYR how do I use ntp? |
| 00:20.11 | cthulfuego | s/MobyTurbo/jair/ |
| 00:20.14 | stresscool | IFRFLYR, when you have your file, make a ndiswrapper -i your.file |
| 00:20.15 | MobyTurbo | jair: if you run an SMP kernel on non-SMP (or HT) hardware it will be slower |
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| 00:20.19 | trave11er | that's one option, but it will take me a while, probably |
| 00:20.22 | MobyTurbo | cthulfuego: true |
| 00:20.24 | Cheese | I'm having some troubles with my Xserver; this is my first time installing debian but I have worked with linux before..... the problem is my Xserver is looking at PCI:0:11:0 for my gfx card but its not there.... its at PCI:0:12:0 |
| 00:20.27 | stresscool | IFRFLYR, and then modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 00:20.39 | mborohovski | trave11er: i would owe you big, heh |
| 00:20.39 | CasaNova | iao: I never say this but you really need to rea dhte docs. |
| 00:20.41 | jair | what about a installer from a flash usb drive? |
| 00:20.51 | trave11er | mborohovski: another way is for you to boot from knoppix and build a custom kernel |
| 00:20.57 | CasaNova | google ntp you'll be overwhelmed but add debian and linux and you'll get better results... |
| 00:20.57 | jair | this server have not a cd rom by manufacture |
| 00:21.05 | mborohovski | thats what im going to try next |
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| 00:21.11 | iao | CasaNova ty (there was no man page for it) |
| 00:21.15 | trave11er | mborohovski: which is easier (for me), and the result is more predictable :-) |
| 00:21.19 | mborohovski | but the problem is i dont have broadband access where i am now |
| 00:21.19 | jair | I can usi some kind of installer from a flash usb drive? |
| 00:21.19 | stresscool | anyone running an espon perfection 1260 on debian ? |
| 00:21.21 | IFRFLYR | iao, have you got it installed? |
| 00:21.26 | CasaNova | iao: right google is the biggest man page ever!!! |
| 00:21.30 | cthulfuego | iao: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 00:21.35 | kelan | !tell iao about ntp |
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| 00:21.40 | trave11er | mborohovski: hmm, that sucks |
| 00:21.47 | jair | I have a usb thumb drive 128MB could I put there some kind of boot image ?? |
| 00:21.50 | Guerin | Cheese: specify the pciid in drxx config, if you know it - you shouldn't have to on x86, though. |
| 00:21.52 | mborohovski | trave11er: but im still going to try and figure it out |
| 00:21.57 | IFRFLYR | stresscool, thanks, it seems to be going now |
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| 00:22.05 | stresscool | IFRFLYR, no problem |
| 00:22.05 | Guerin | jair: put what you want on it, we don't care. |
| 00:22.09 | trave11er | mborohovski: but mini-iso would require you to install from the net... |
| 00:22.09 | IFRFLYR | erm, I mean, the unzipping and installation, not the card...Not yet that is ;) |
| 00:22.12 | jair | the netinst of the sarge stable is 110MB |
| 00:22.13 | IFRFLYR | Thanks everyone! |
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| 00:22.38 | Cheese | Guerin: ok, I"ll try that |
| 00:22.51 | jair | Guerin: I am asking if will be able to boot or not? and if exist that posibility. also stop talking for the others. |
| 00:22.51 | CasaNova | Is libppm even in Debian anymore or is it obsolete software? |
| 00:22.52 | cthulfuego | jair: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 00:22.52 | Guerin | !drxx Cheese |
| 00:22.52 | dpkg | Cheese: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 00:23.03 | trave11er | jair: mini-iso is basically only kernel+initrd, it's a few megs only |
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| 00:23.14 | Cheese | Guerin: I've done that |
| 00:23.15 | jair | cthulfuego: I love you :) |
| 00:23.20 | trave11er | it starts installation process, but everything needs to be leeched off the net |
| 00:23.29 | Guerin | jair: if your hardware can boot from a usb key, it'll work. |
| 00:23.30 | jair | cthulfuego: thank you my friend |
| 00:23.38 | jair | nicve |
| 00:23.41 | cthulfuego | HISSSS!!!!!!! |
| 00:23.45 | jair | nice i know it boot from it |
| 00:23.50 | jair | hahaha |
| 00:23.52 | Cheese | Guerin: It even shows up right in XF86Config-4 |
| 00:24.00 | Guerin | !:E |
| 00:24.00 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
| 00:24.09 | Guerin | Cheese: freakshow |
| 00:24.11 | jair | trave11er: where could I get that one? |
| 00:24.12 | MobyTurbo | cthulfuego: if you keep this up we'll take away your #debian curmudgeon pin |
| 00:24.14 | CasaNova | oh crap here he comes tentacles and all |
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| 00:24.20 | Cheese | Guerin: but the error still shows it as trying to load from 0:11:0 |
| 00:24.21 | Guerin | Cheese: pci card, or something else? |
| 00:24.33 | Cheese | Guerin: pci, pentium 2 compaq server |
| 00:24.43 | Guerin | Cheese: change slots |
| 00:24.58 | Guerin | Cheese: why are you running x on a server? |
| 00:25.01 | SynrG | CasaNova: apt-file search libppm.so |
| 00:25.07 | Cheese | Guerin: LTSP |
| 00:25.11 | bbrazil | dpkg: summoning cthulhu is not a good idea |
| 00:25.11 | dpkg | bbrazil: okay |
| 00:25.13 | Guerin | oh |
| 00:25.19 | sith-R2D2 | question - i have established a tightVNC connection tunnelled via SSH from my winxp machnine to my debian box. however, the tightVNC viewer client on my win xp machine doesn't show the gnome desktop properly. how to fix? |
| 00:25.22 | CasaNova | arrrgh apt-file! I kept doing apt-cache Doh! |
| 00:25.32 | sith-R2D2 | all it shows is the GUI terminal window |
| 00:25.34 | sith-R2D2 | d'oh! |
| 00:25.54 | jair | trave11er: where could i find that miniiso? |
| 00:25.58 | mborohovski | trave11er: if i grabbed a mini-iso and could at least boot into debian, then itd be fine. i would download packages and whatnot myself later once i got back |
| 00:26.06 | jair | trave11er: it is a debian installer? |
| 00:26.11 | trave11er | jair: does not look like it was officialy released, sorry |
| 00:26.14 | stresscool | jaiger, you could find it on debian site |
| 00:26.24 | jair | trave11er: nice |
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| 00:26.37 | Guerin | the businesscard iso is pretty small |
| 00:26.42 | Guerin | like 30MB |
| 00:27.05 | jair | Guerin: ohh the business card |
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| 00:27.07 | Zrin | sith-R2D2 modify .vnc/xstartup |
| 00:27.13 | jair | Guerin: i will try that |
| 00:27.16 | Cheese | Guerin: also... I think I'm having some mouse problems... I do cat /dev/input/mice and move my mouse around and nothing happens... I did mdetect and nothing happens... Its not the problem I'm having right now, but it will be after I fix this one... I really don't want to pull this server out and change the slots on the card; there has to be a software way to fix this |
| 00:27.23 | trave11er | mborohovski: ok, let's do like this |
| 00:27.30 | jair | Guerin: it is available for sarge (stable)? |
| 00:27.42 | _daniel_ | Anyone knows how memory sticks(sony) are recognised ? |
| 00:28.08 | trave11er | mborohovski: planning for a worst-case scenario, you boot your knoppix, chroot into the existing installation and try to install build-essential, kernel-package, kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 00:28.12 | Guerin | Cheese: tbf, it sounds like a hardware or apic problem. Try booting with noapic/nolapic etc. |
| 00:28.15 | stresscool | no one knows how to run an epson perfection 1260 with debian |
| 00:28.21 | Guerin | jair: 1 |
| 00:28.24 | trave11er | mborohovski: what's your network card btw? |
| 00:28.32 | jair | Guerin: 1? |
| 00:28.35 | Guerin | stresscool: linux-printing.org knows |
| 00:28.36 | trave11er | mborohovski: and in the meantime i'll see what i can do about this installer |
| 00:28.42 | Guerin | jair: success |
| 00:28.46 | stresscool | many thnaks Guerin |
| 00:29.21 | sith-R2D2 | Zrin - *how* do i go about modifying .vnc/xstartup? where is it located on my debian box? |
| 00:29.33 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: ~ |
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| 00:29.37 | Zrin | sith-R2D2 in your home dir |
| 00:29.46 | mborohovski | trave11er, not sure what it uses but it uses the e100 driver fine |
| 00:29.52 | stresscool | Guerin, i want to run a scanner not a printer |
| 00:29.54 | Cheese | Guerin: shite, I just remembered, I have AGP disabled, and its an onboard vid controller; does that make any difference? |
| 00:29.58 | trave11er | mborohovski: that should be available |
| 00:30.04 | Zrin | sith-R2D2 you may want to modify vnc server parameters as well |
| 00:30.05 | Guerin | stresscool: oh, my bad. |
| 00:30.08 | CasaNova | wow didn't even notice went stable. I had testing in my sources but it did't work. Guess I was right in the change. shoudl testing still work in sources or shoudl I use 'etch'? |
| 00:30.16 | Guerin | Cheese: maybe. |
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| 00:30.41 | Guerin | CasaNova: testing will work. YOu want to delete the security line. |
| 00:30.47 | jair | ok thank you very much guys |
| 00:30.49 | jair | take care |
| 00:30.52 | alex__ | how do you guys remind the dpkg keywords? I'm looking for automatic hardware detection info at the dpkg bot.. cant find it :P |
| 00:31.08 | kelan | !tell alex__ about discover |
| 00:31.13 | Guerin | alex__: what hardware? |
| 00:31.26 | CasaNova | Guerin: Ahh thanks. I'll get rid of security then (eeks cant believe I said that out load :-) |
| 00:31.43 | alex__ | Guerin, I heard sarge had some automatic hw detection tool (optional) at boot... isnt it true? |
| 00:31.44 | mborohovski | trave11er: off-topic question |
| 00:31.44 | sith-R2D2 | Zrin - the only contents of my home dir are "Desktop, mbox, Mail" |
| 00:31.48 | ogum | Hi. ip config problem on sarge install. need help to change ip from bash. |
| 00:32.08 | mborohovski | how might i mount my lexar jumpdrive (just a usb thumbdrive). normally id mount /dev/sda1 but thats my harddisk now |
| 00:32.14 | Guerin | alex__: it runs discover and hotplug to detect and load modules for you. |
| 00:32.25 | Guerin | mborohovski: fdisk -l |
| 00:32.25 | alex__ | ohh, thanks!! |
| 00:32.37 | trave11er | mborohovski: it should tell you what name it assigns to it in dmesg |
| 00:32.46 | mborohovski | nm |
| 00:32.48 | Guerin | ogum: man interfaces |
| 00:32.50 | mborohovski | yeah |
| 00:32.51 | trave11er | you probably need to modprobe usb-storage |
| 00:32.54 | mborohovski | i missed it the first time out |
| 00:32.54 | mborohovski | lol |
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| 00:33.10 | kelan | Guerin: you're a crazy question-answerin fool today |
| 00:33.11 | kinghippo | what is a good console cd audio player? |
| 00:33.13 | mborohovski | no |
| 00:33.17 | mborohovski | works fine |
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| 00:33.20 | mborohovski | :) |
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| 00:33.30 | trave11er | kinghippo: i use cdcd |
| 00:33.45 | Phroziac | hi, anyone seen randyg/furrywolf lately? |
| 00:33.51 | ogum | dpkg interfaces |
| 00:33.51 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 00:33.55 | Phroziac | i know he comes here |
| 00:34.12 | Guerin | !seen furrywolf |
| 00:34.12 | dpkg | furrywolf <~randyg@68.105.23.171> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 10d 10h 15m 2s ago, saying: 'but now I need to power everything off. :('. |
| 00:34.25 | Guerin | looks like he couldn't power it back on |
| 00:34.35 | kelan | heh |
| 00:34.36 | trave11er | Guerin: :-) |
| 00:34.44 | Phroziac | thanks. haha. |
| 00:34.51 | bigbill52a | bigbill52a kills another bunny...lol |
| 00:34.55 | Phroziac | I kinda thought he may have changed nicks on me |
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| 00:35.13 | Guerin | !bunnysmite bigbill52a |
| 00:35.14 | ogum | dpkg static route |
| 00:35.14 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up route add -net ...." in the appropriate interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:35.42 | kelan | ogum: you can /msg dpkg and he will tell you things personally. helps cut down on channel noise |
| 00:35.48 | IFRFLYR | Now this is weird. . . i did dpkg -i ndiswrapper_1.1-1.deb and it ran.... And I'm getting "Comand not found" when I run ndiswrapper -i filename.inf |
| 00:36.07 | bbrazil | IFRFLYR: try hash -r |
| 00:36.22 | Guerin | IFRFLYR: dpkg -L ndiswrapper |
| 00:36.30 | IFRFLYR | Mmmm. |
| 00:36.41 | kinghippo | thanks, cdcd is pretty nice |
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| 00:36.50 | Cheese | omfg |
| 00:37.15 | mborohovski | trave11er, alright since knoppix works well with my thumbdrive, im going to download the kernel on this box (oy, 56k) and move it over to my lappy and try building a custom kernel |
| 00:37.19 | IFRFLYR | Righto. Not installed, Guerin. Wonder why! |
| 00:37.25 | mborohovski | obviously, id rather just have an installer recognize my hd |
| 00:37.31 | mborohovski | lol |
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| 00:37.34 | fr33 | hi |
| 00:37.34 | trave11er | mborohovski: cool, download the packages i mentioned |
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| 00:37.40 | SexyCaroL | hi |
| 00:37.44 | trave11er | mborohovski: i'm working on it |
| 00:37.45 | mborohovski | trave11er, how if im on 56k? |
| 00:37.46 | fr33 | is there a remote packagemanagement tool? |
| 00:37.48 | SexyCaroL | iam offering money for the one who build for me my own distro based on debian For more information Pv Me |
| 00:37.48 | IFRFLYR | The syntax is dpkg -i [package] right? |
| 00:37.50 | Cheese | I just changed the BusID to 1 and its still trying to load 11 ... "no devices found" |
| 00:37.56 | Guerin | IFRFLYR: id-10-t error |
| 00:37.59 | trave11er | mborohovski: well, it will take an hour or something |
| 00:38.00 | kelan | fr33: ssh+apt |
| 00:38.15 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone ever tried to build their own projector here? |
| 00:38.23 | fr33 | kelan, for 10 clients? |
| 00:38.29 | mborohovski | and what about dependencies? |
| 00:38.37 | Guerin | SexyCaroL: don't spam in here. ask on a mailing list like debian-user |
| 00:38.37 | mborohovski | im not on the lappy right now, thats the thing |
| 00:38.46 | IFRFLYR | Guerin, sorry? |
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| 00:39.08 | Guerin | IFRFLYR: don't apologise to me |
| 00:39.13 | sith-R2D2 | simple question - how do i configure my bash prompt to be flaming yellow when i am root (so i don't do anything stupid because i see the bright yellow prompt)...right now i have a hard time telling the difference between when i'm root and just user |
| 00:39.22 | IFRFLYR | Actually I was asking what you meant. |
| 00:39.34 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: bash prompt howto on tldp.org |
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| 00:39.59 | Guerin | IFRFLYR: i expect you had an id-10-t error. Don't you know what one of those is? |
| 00:40.11 | IFRFLYR | Actually no, I don't! |
| 00:40.20 | Guerin | !id-10-t |
| 00:40.27 | MobyTurbo | sith-R2D2: don't do anything too fancy with the root prompt, you don't want it to foul things up if you have a corrupt terminfo or the like |
| 00:40.30 | Guerin | bah, neither does dpkg |
| 00:40.40 | bbrazil | !id10t |
| 00:40.41 | dpkg | id10t is probably a chair to keyboard user interface error. |
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| 00:40.44 | IFRFLYR | MMM, whilst I google. . . |
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| 00:40.57 | Guerin | IFRFLYR: look real close at the error code |
| 00:41.13 | IFRFLYR | Ah, yes. . . |
| 00:41.15 | icyfire0573 | :-) not nice, but very funny |
| 00:41.18 | SexyCaroL | iam offering money for the one who build for me my own distro based on debian For more information Pv Me |
| 00:41.20 | IFRFLYR | I suspect you're right about the cause |
| 00:41.23 | MobyTurbo | sith-R2D2: er, I mean termcap |
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| 00:41.51 | cthulfuego | SexyCaroL: I'll install ubuntu for you at $165/h |
| 00:41.52 | MobyTurbo | !ops SexyCaroL is spamming |
| 00:41.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SexyCaroL is spamming |
| 00:42.02 | alex__ | is there any version of libwxgtk compiled against libgtk2.x for sarge? |
| 00:42.12 | eXoDuS | im trying to get my ethernet card to get an ip using dhcp with debian, but when i bring it up all i get is repeated messages about sending DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 blah blah, but I never get a message back, doing the same thing on Fedora though returns me an ip almost immediatly, anyone knows what I might have to check? |
| 00:42.15 | IFRFLYR | 'Cept running it gave me no error at all, GUerin |
| 00:42.31 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: firewall?? |
| 00:42.39 | eXoDuS | no |
| 00:43.03 | stresscool | how can i make my ssl certificate to be valid for 2 years or more ? |
| 00:43.08 | TwistedEmotions | cthulfuego: wana install it for me got 165$/h? |
| 00:43.11 | bbrazil | does tcpdump show packets coming back in? |
| 00:43.20 | cthulfuego | TwistedEmotions: No, shoo. |
| 00:43.32 | ogum | kelan: thanks, I was doing that already. It's my second time here :) Really newbie. Just tell what command line to start on bash |
| 00:43.41 | TwistedEmotions | cthulfuego: bah... was going to have you install ubuntu on my sexy robot ;( |
| 00:43.42 | bigbill52a | ubuntu has some severe defects.... |
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| 00:43.51 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: i haven't checked, you get me thinking on the firewall... I do have a firewall, but it's the same server, and it does this on boot, when the firewall is not up yet |
| 00:44.10 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: i have to disconnect to try, so if you have any more suggestions I rather listen to all em of first :) |
| 00:44.22 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: eek, that sounds like a security hole |
| 00:44.39 | bbrazil | not that dhcp is one anyway :) |
| 00:44.51 | ethics | bigbill52a: yeah but they also have some severe advantages too ...its give and take... |
| 00:45.06 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: security hole? you can't start the firewall before the network interfaces are up... |
| 00:45.17 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: I've done it |
| 00:45.20 | cthulfuego | eXoDuS: Sure you can. |
| 00:45.21 | icyfire0573 | eXoDuS: i beg to differ |
| 00:45.25 | eXoDuS | ouch |
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| 00:45.29 | icyfire0573 | 3-1 you lose :-) |
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| 00:45.35 | eXoDuS | hehe |
| 00:45.36 | eXoDuS | ok you can :p |
| 00:45.41 | d1g | werd # |
| 00:45.42 | sith-R2D2 | question - how come by default debian doesn't show bash shell in ansi color when su root? |
| 00:45.51 | eXoDuS | but not with firewall-jay which is what im using ;) |
| 00:45.51 | sith-R2D2 | but when su non-root it's all candy ansi colors |
| 00:45.54 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: for now iptables -F INPUT |
| 00:46.03 | cthulfuego | eXoDuS: First run iptablesd -P INPUT BLOCK; then ifup the lot, then load the actual firewall rules. |
| 00:46.04 | bigbill52a | my system crashes 10 minutes into with kde with ubuntu..no such problem in debian..even debian testing |
| 00:46.10 | d1g | bbrazil omg flush da shit ;) |
| 00:46.11 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: and whatever it is to set the default policy to ACCEPT |
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| 00:46.26 | ethics | sith-R2D2: bash howto in google 8) |
| 00:46.27 | magyar | i uninstalled ipop3d amd installed popa3d but my logs are still showing connection to /usr/sbin/ipop3d instead of /usr/sbin/popa3d HELP |
| 00:46.28 | cthulfuego | bbrazil: The default policy should not be ACCEPT. Ever. |
| 00:46.28 | Xuse | bigbill52a well ubuntu sucks ass. |
| 00:46.37 | bbrazil | cthulfuego: debugging here |
| 00:46.43 | slava | i want to install ant, but it has a kaffe-vm dependency |
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| 00:46.48 | slava | i alrady have the real sun jvm, i don't want kaffe |
| 00:46.49 | MobyTurbo | sith-R2D2: are you sure you're running Debian? Debian does not have ansi color defaults with any user |
| 00:46.50 | toresbe | Xuse: that's a matter of opinion. |
| 00:46.52 | slava | how do i tell apt to just install ant? |
| 00:46.53 | ogum | kelan: if i'm dopin' so much "noise", could u please indicate another channel? thanks |
| 00:46.56 | d1g | cthulfuego yup restrictive is what r0x |
| 00:47.01 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: anyway, ill go try that if you dont have any more suggestions about dhcp not working? |
| 00:47.02 | bigbill52a | has an excellent unofficial guide which i adapted for debian..for my own use |
| 00:47.24 | magyar | ethics: can you help a brother? |
| 00:47.26 | cthulfuego | Mad`Sleep: Please switch that off. |
| 00:47.33 | alex__ | whats all that about letting others know what song you play? |
| 00:47.35 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: dhcping might be fruitful, or run one of the dhcp clients manually |
| 00:47.38 | kelan | ogum: when you ask the dpkg bot a question, use this form: /msg dpkg keyword |
| 00:47.42 | cthulfuego | alex__: spamming scripts |
| 00:47.44 | Xuse | torsebe: Well yeah, but i've grown to hate ubuntu with a passion. |
| 00:47.48 | MobyTurbo | alex__: imagine if all 800 users in the channel did that |
| 00:47.52 | kelan | ogum: that way the bot will only send the answer back to you, not the whole channel |
| 00:47.52 | toresbe | Xuse: oh really. |
| 00:47.57 | alex__ | yup, really annoying. |
| 00:48.04 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: i tried running it manually too, same results, and i wanted to try dhcping but without connection it's not easy :) |
| 00:48.12 | eXoDuS | since i have to apt-get it |
| 00:48.15 | ogum | kelan: new lesson. thanks |
| 00:48.18 | slava | nobody knows how to install ant without installing kaffe? |
| 00:48.20 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: sounds like a firewall |
| 00:48.29 | Xuse | brb. |
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| 00:48.36 | d1g | a firewall is a concept. |
| 00:48.39 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: ok, ill go try disabling the firewall and connecting again, BRB, thanks! |
| 00:48.39 | ariacode | are there any programmers here? I just landed my first freelance coding job, and I have some questions about licensing. |
| 00:48.40 | ethics | im begingin to love raping ubuntu for updates just like they did/do to sid |
| 00:48.44 | sith-R2D2 | MobyTurbo - well, debian gave me ansi bash when i tunneled into it via vcn in ssh |
| 00:48.46 | d1g | buenos dias ungoliant |
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| 00:48.58 | MobyTurbo | sith-R2D2: the default's been changed then |
| 00:49.03 | sith-R2D2 | MobyTurbo - but, yes, locally, debian doesnt' give me color ansi |
| 00:49.04 | bbrazil | ariacode: you're looking for a lawyer |
| 00:49.12 | sith-R2D2 | MobyTurbo - i like colors - how do i enable that in debian? |
| 00:49.22 | ariacode | bbrazil: not really, just some suggestions. |
| 00:49.31 | bbrazil | ariacode: although GPL and BSD are good |
| 00:49.52 | MobyTurbo | sith-R2D2: check out /etc/skel/.bashrc , it has an example commented out |
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| 00:50.09 | bigbill52a | at least somebody is making money today...ariacode... |
| 00:50.14 | Alumin | can anyone recommend a wireless card that works with the hostap-modules-2.6* packages? I'm looking for a card I can recommend to people running sarge that works without any external (ie, outside of main) software |
| 00:50.21 | ariacode | bbrazil: yeah, the guy's kind of a bozo tho... he wants to keep the project secret. I just need the $$, and I'd like to keep the code for future use. |
| 00:50.22 | ethics | in some ways i think ubuntu is actually helping debian in others its hurting ... |
| 00:50.24 | MobyTurbo | sith-R2D2: then move that .bashrc to the home directory of the user in question |
| 00:50.32 | toresbe | ethics: it's hurting it. Really. |
| 00:50.33 | toresbe | sheesh. |
| 00:50.42 | daesotho | anybody have a pointer to some good data on how to write a /etc/asound.conf? |
| 00:50.46 | icyfire0573 | Alumin: early revision linksys cards |
| 00:50.51 | MobyTurbo | sith-R2D2: I wouldn't recommend it for root though, due to aformentioned termcap potential problems |
| 00:50.54 | daesotho | i would like to use more than one alsa program at a time |
| 00:50.59 | bbrazil | ariacode: as long as you keep copyright on the code and don't sign an exclusive licence you should be fine (IANAL) |
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| 00:51.16 | ethics | daesotho: what do you want to do with it? dmix? |
| 00:51.24 | Guerin | if ubuntu don't free LaunchPad, it'll be a net hurt |
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| 00:51.34 | Alumin | icyfire0573: thanks...not sure exactly what you mean by "early revision", but I assume I can look that up |
| 00:51.34 | daesotho | i guess |
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| 00:51.44 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: ok, forgot i was testing this on the box directly without hte firewall, so it's not a firewall problem / |
| 00:51.46 | ariacode | bbrazil: thanks, that helps a lot. |
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| 00:52.04 | daesotho | i just have no idea how to set it up and i've looked at alsa's docs as well as gentoo's |
| 00:52.11 | ethics | daesotho: i guess? what do you want to do? give me a goal thjeres about 30 or 40 things i have done in asound of late 8) |
| 00:52.13 | magyar | popa3d[8919]: bind: Address already in use (CANT START SERVER HELP) |
| 00:52.14 | icyfire0573 | Alumin: the early revions of the lnksys cards used a kernel module, but revision4 and later need a whole bunch of crap |
| 00:52.23 | daesotho | hehe |
| 00:52.25 | daesotho | ok |
| 00:52.38 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: thats quite odd then |
| 00:52.41 | icyfire0573 | magyar: ps aux|grep that other pop program, and kill it |
| 00:53.00 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: :( |
| 00:53.00 | ethics | daesotho: so you want sound to mix ie, kde,mplayer,xmms,xine all sound at once? |
| 00:53.10 | daesotho | i want to be able to use more than one alsa program at a time, and i want to be able to use an old oss program that mmaps if possible |
| 00:53.14 | Alumin | icyfire0573: I see...thanks for the tip |
| 00:53.16 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: there must be something different that before is doing, since it works fine here :/ |
| 00:53.18 | magyar | icyfire0573: fudge, i purged it with aptitude |
| 00:53.19 | daesotho | yea, i want it to mix |
| 00:53.26 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: tcpdump is your friend |
| 00:53.27 | Guerin | magyar: why are you running a named? |
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| 00:53.47 | alex__ | magyar, to see what pid is using port 110: fuser 110/tcp |
| 00:53.50 | icyfire0573 | magyar: its cool that is gone, just check and see if its still running and kill if it is |
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| 00:53.59 | afaict | HI folks! |
| 00:54.09 | _daniel_ | Anyone knows how memory sticks(sony) are recognised ? |
| 00:54.22 | slava | _daniel_, usb storage devices |
| 00:54.23 | daesotho | the asound.conf file format is undocumented |
| 00:54.27 | icyfire0573 | _daniel_: if its a mass storage device then yes |
| 00:54.28 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: never used tcpdump :/ |
| 00:54.28 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: there are some intricacies in the DHCP protocl that might be affecting you. I assume its the same box, nic etc. running fedora? |
| 00:54.37 | afaict | What do I need to select in make menuconfig to see HMAC cryptografic module ? It shows --- HMAC cryptografic so I cant select |
| 00:54.40 | daesotho | or rather, very poorly documented |
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| 00:54.48 | daesotho | i have no idea how to use ti |
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| 00:54.56 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: its pretty simple, althouth tethereal -v is nicer if you have it |
| 00:54.56 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: no, it's a diff box actually, but i've tried on 2 diff boxes, i have 2 running debian (one sid, one sarge) and this laptop running fedora |
| 00:55.16 | fr33 | whats with SexyCaroL ? |
| 00:55.25 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: could the DHCP server only give out addresses to certain MACs? |
| 00:55.25 | trave11er | daesotho: /usr/share/doc/libasound2/examples/asound.conf_dmix |
| 00:55.30 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: and it's 2 diff nic cards too, one is a realteak and the other a broadcom |
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| 00:55.34 | icyfire0573 | daesotho: dig it, here's mine, http://icyfire.servebeer.com/media/asound.conf , it should help + google should get you going if that doesn't do it by default |
| 00:55.44 | ariacode | eXoDuS: to see your dhcp , use 'tcpdump port 67 or 68' as root |
| 00:56.05 | eXoDuS | ariacode: what do you mean see my dhcp? |
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| 00:56.16 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: mmm, i hope not |
| 00:56.25 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: whats the server? |
| 00:56.32 | mmm | mmm |
| 00:56.33 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: the dchp 'server' is a cable modem |
| 00:56.35 | ariacode | eXoDuS: It seemed like you were trying to look for dhcp traffic, maybe I'm wrong. |
| 00:56.38 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: a motorola |
| 00:56.42 | icyfire0573 | exodus |
| 00:56.45 | icyfire0573 | the problem is easy then |
| 00:56.49 | _daniel_ | slava, no it isnt USB, icyfire0573 i dont know if its a mass storage |
| 00:57.06 | ethics | daesotho: ahh kk you need to go to the alsa site and search specifically plugin: dmix ill search now for ya just on a phonecall too |
| 00:57.10 | daesotho | trave11er: thanks |
| 00:57.12 | michal__ | is there any easy way to burn a dvd under sarge without needing to reboot to tweak kernel paramaters? |
| 00:57.15 | icyfire0573 | swithc computers, turn off the modem for 2 minutes to clear the (thing) then it will pick up the new computer |
| 00:57.26 | afaict | What do I need to select in make menuconfig to see HMAC cryptografic module ? It shows --- HMAC cryptografic so I cant select |
| 00:57.26 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: then tcpdump a lot, note that all dhcp traffic is broadcast (i.e. you can sniff from the fedora box) |
| 00:57.26 | daesotho | i did not know that such a file existed |
| 00:57.47 | ethics | michal_: umm huh...k3b? |
| 00:57.53 | icyfire0573 | _daniel_: like memory card for a camera or something? those are all mass storage and therefore supported |
| 00:57.55 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: it's not on a hub though, the modem connects directly with an inverted utp cable |
| 00:57.57 | magyar | alex__: you DA BOMB, thank you |
| 00:57.58 | michal__ | ethics: there's no gui |
| 00:58.08 | michal__ | ethics: ie.. no X11, no kde, no gnome |
| 00:58.13 | alex__ | Magyar no probl :D |
| 00:58.17 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: ah, you only connect one system at a time? |
| 00:58.21 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: i can't do that unless i have 2 nics, which is why im trying to get it to work on the debian server which has 2 nics and shares the connection |
| 00:58.32 | icyfire0573 | eXoDuS: its a known problem with cable modems, when you switch the cpompuer connected to it, you have to unplug it so it will reckognize the new computer |
| 00:58.34 | _daniel_ | icyfire0573, yes its a memory slot for sony memory cards, but where is it recongnised ? |
| 00:58.39 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: you could just hardcode the IP |
| 00:58.43 | eXoDuS | im trying to get it to work on eth0 in the server and share the connection through eth1 to the rest of the network |
| 00:58.44 | michal__ | cdrecord can't seem to find the devie at all :( |
| 00:58.48 | _daniel_ | icyfire0573, how can I know what device to mount ? |
| 00:58.54 | daesotho | yea |
| 00:58.55 | daesotho | hehe |
| 00:59.00 | icyfire0573 | _daniel_: you need some scsi thing, and then it should be /dev/sda1 |
| 00:59.03 | eXoDuS | icyfire0573: i did try unplugging it though, maybe not for 2 minutes though |
| 00:59.08 | Alumin | michal__: cdrecord -scanbus ? |
| 00:59.10 | daesotho | powercycling cable modems |
| 00:59.15 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: what do you mean? |
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| 00:59.17 | michal__ | alumin: doesn't find anything |
| 00:59.19 | _daniel_ | icyfire0573, there is no /dev/sda |
| 00:59.24 | _daniel_ | its isnt scsi |
| 00:59.26 | michal__ | alumin: just says i should downgrade to 2.4.x |
| 00:59.27 | Alumin | michal__: is it a scsi burner? |
| 00:59.33 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: the IP assigned will always be in a given range, just give it one you know works |
| 00:59.35 | michal__ | alumin: of course not |
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| 00:59.51 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: as long as noone connects with the same hardcoded IP you're fine |
| 00:59.51 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: and that will work? |
| 00:59.56 | Alumin | michal__: do you have the ide-scsi module loaded? and is it doing its thing on the device? |
| 00:59.58 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: it *should* |
| 01:00.05 | SexyCaroL | iam offering money for the one who build for me my own distro based on debian For more information Pv Me |
| 01:00.07 | icyfire0573 | _daniel_: daniel, it reckognizes as a scsi object, i have a memory card that i use through my camera like this, you also need vfat modules |
| 01:00.11 | eXoDuS | but still, the ip im getting from the dhcp is not a local ip |
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| 01:00.22 | eXoDuS | it wont work with the local ips in my network (10.0.0.x) |
| 01:00.24 | Alumin | SexyCaroL: dfsbuild, where do I pick up my check? |
| 01:00.28 | alex__ | I'm in love with aptitude... its such a great tool!!! debian is getting really nice :) |
| 01:00.33 | michal__ | alumin: given that i can't reboot i can't add hdc=ide-scsi to the kernel paramaters.. so no.. it doesn't help loading the ide-scsi module |
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| 01:00.37 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: ah, its from upstream and globally unique? |
| 01:00.44 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: yes |
| 01:00.57 | Alumin | michal__: do it on the module command line when you're modprobing it |
| 01:00.59 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: then that solution won't work |
| 01:01.02 | senorjefep | hey .. complete newbie here.. im needing help customizing debian to work on my laptop. ive read all the faqs for TP 600E and i dont know what they are talking about... can anyone help me or point me in the right direction? |
| 01:01.05 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: exactly, hehe |
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| 01:01.12 | twb | Anyone here familiar with NIS? (yes, I know it sucks) |
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| 01:01.26 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: 2.2 kernel by any chance? |
| 01:01.30 | eXoDuS | nope, 2.6 |
| 01:01.31 | michal__ | alumin: how? ide-scsi doesn't take any paramaters |
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| 01:01.34 | tcsetattr | twb, I've used NIS before... not on debian though |
| 01:01.35 | xzgv | anybody knows if XFS can be used with GRUB? |
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| 01:01.44 | eXoDuS | xzgv: should work |
| 01:02.10 | Alumin | michal__: in any case, that's your problem...your burner has to be a scsi device for cdrecord to see it (actually it does have ATAPI support now, but IIRC there were warnings about how well it worked in the manpage) |
| 01:02.12 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: thats my ideas exhausted. use tcpdump and work from there |
| 01:02.24 | twb | I want the host's users (exported by NIS) to be in the clients' video and audio groups (so they can use e.g. /dev/fb0). |
| 01:02.31 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: how would i use tcpdump though? im not even sure what I should be looking for |
| 01:02.31 | xzgv | eXoDus: with the rc2 net-installer, it would tell me to use Lilo |
| 01:02.38 | Zrin | omg, xp popup: automatic update finished, ... do you want to restart? and "restart later" is grayed out!?! |
| 01:02.49 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: someone gave you the command above |
| 01:02.49 | michal__ | alumin: it appears it has to be a 2.4.x kernel too according to the warnings.. 2.6.x kernels aren't supported |
| 01:02.53 | Alumin | michal__: "modprobe ide-scsi hdc" doesn't work? honestly, I don't know, since I've always just rebooted... |
| 01:02.57 | Alumin | ah |
| 01:02.58 | eXoDuS | xzgv: mmm, that's weird i thought grub worked fine with xfs |
| 01:02.59 | kinghippo | anyone know of an (easy to use) console based cd ripper and encoder? |
| 01:03.03 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: you might want to add some '-v' to that |
| 01:03.05 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: must have missed it |
| 01:03.15 | eXoDuS | scrolling up |
| 01:03.16 | twb | kinghippo: jack is pretty nice. |
| 01:03.25 | michal__ | alumin: ide_scsi: Unknown parameter `hdc' |
| 01:03.28 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: I'm kinda 80x23 here |
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| 01:03.46 | tcsetattr | twb, hope the gids are the same... |
| 01:03.59 | twb | tcsetattr: both boxes are stock Debian Sarge. |
| 01:04.00 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: huh? |
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| 01:04.14 | SexyCaroL | iam offering money for the one who build for me my own distro based on debian For more information Pv Me |
| 01:04.15 | bbrazil | eXoDuS: terminal size, not conducive to scrolling |
| 01:04.16 | FieldySnuts | !lart bbrazil |
| 01:04.24 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: ah, hehe |
| 01:04.28 | FieldySnuts | could someone +q SexyCaroL ... |
| 01:04.32 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: was wondering what the terminal size had to do with dhcp :p |
| 01:04.39 | bbrazil | FieldySnuts: I'm on a virtual terminal, whats wrong with that? |
| 01:04.40 | iao | jesus christ, I just want to update my time on my machine. Why the hell do I have to go through all the ridiculous ntp documentation? |
| 01:04.57 | FieldySnuts | ntpdate pool.ntp.org there done |
| 01:05.11 | tcsetattr | then it should be pretty easy, twb... have you tried it? |
| 01:05.17 | ethics | daesotho: dmix is on the alsa page and it has the code in the page....scrolling down the page you will find new settings for alsa devices as dmixer is not a config option in the guis |
| 01:05.26 | eXoDuS | brb |
| 01:05.30 | eXoDuS | thanks again to everyone |
| 01:05.37 | bbrazil | iao: you might find 'chrony' simpler |
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| 01:06.08 | twb | tcsetattr: Yeah, and /dev/fb0 and /dev/cdrom are inaccessible to NIS users. |
| 01:06.22 | ariacode | eXoDuS: is eth0 connected to the internet? ( I think I missed something a while ago ). If so, are you running iptables? what does 'iptables -t nat -L' give you? |
| 01:06.31 | iao | FieldySnuts perfect. |
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| 01:06.36 | tcsetattr | michal__, if your hdc has already been grabbed by the ide-cd driver, then you need to unload the ide-cd driver ide-scsi has a chance at taking over the device. If ide-cd is builtin to your kernel, you're screwed. |
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| 01:07.17 | michal__ | tcsetattr: thanks.. i rmmod'd ide-cd and magically ide-scsi picked it all up |
| 01:07.28 | Alumin | michal__: hmm, this page seems to imply that all IDE devices are attempted for emulation by default: http://pcquest.ciol.com/content/search/showarticle.asp?artid=11725 |
| 01:07.34 | tcsetattr | twb, it's been a long time since I did NIS.... but have you checked "id -a" to see if the gids show up? |
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| 01:07.45 | Alumin | aha, good call tcsetattr |
| 01:08.00 | tcsetattr | Alumin: all devices that haven't already been activated before ide-scsi is initialized :) |
| 01:08.09 | ace84128 | install error |
| 01:08.11 | twb | tcsetattr: I get uid=1000(twb) gid=100(users) groups=29(audio),100(users) |
| 01:08.11 | michal__ | what mode should a sarge dvd iso be burn in? toa? or dao? |
| 01:08.11 | twb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:08.35 | ace84128 | debootstrap error couldn't download diff. |
| 01:09.06 | twb | tcsetattr: despite the fact that on the host I'm in video and cdrom. |
| 01:09.24 | Alumin | michal__: I would assume any ISO would be dao since it's gonna be the whole disc? |
| 01:09.31 | ace84128 | how do you get around that error when installing |
| 01:09.32 | sith-R2D2 | question - is there a CLI command i can use to toggle between gnome and kde? i feel like i'm stuck using gnome in debian, and want some kde action(i can't find the answer on google) |
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| 01:09.47 | FieldySnuts | i use tao when writing an iso to cd, no problems |
| 01:09.51 | Alumin | sith-R2D2: don't quote me on this, but I think switchdesk does that |
| 01:09.59 | twb | tcsetattr: Aah, I can just add twb to the groups on the client machines manually. |
| 01:10.01 | tcsetattr | twb, and you're not in /etc/passwd on the client, right? |
| 01:10.13 | twb | tcsetattr: right. |
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| 01:10.28 | sith-R2D2 | Alumin - switchdesk: command not found |
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| 01:10.54 | ace84128 | FieldySnuts? |
| 01:10.58 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
| 01:11.03 | Alumin | I said you couldn't quote me :) |
| 01:11.14 | ace84128 | I get an error while I install Sarge |
| 01:11.18 | eXoDuS | icyfire0573: what you suggested worked :p |
| 01:11.18 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 01:11.25 | FieldySnuts | ace84128: and why are you teling me this? |
| 01:11.27 | eXoDuS | i'm now at the debian box |
| 01:11.38 | ginux | i have installed xserver-xfree86 but is not connected to kde3 and gnome2, how can i connect it ? |
| 01:11.43 | ace84128 | wondering if anyone knows how to fix it |
| 01:11.47 | Alumin | sith-R2D2: I could have sworn there was something to do that, though |
| 01:11.55 | sith-R2D2 | Alumin - it exists for RHL |
| 01:11.58 | Alumin | sith-R2D2: are you using a display manager? |
| 01:12.05 | tcsetattr | twb, what does "getent passwd twb" say on the client? |
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| 01:12.20 | eXoDuS | thanks guys, im now gonna get it hooked in my server and continue the work ;) |
| 01:12.21 | eXoDuS | laters |
| 01:12.23 | Alumin | sith-R2D2: my roommate uses gdm and his lets him choose which DE he wants at login |
| 01:12.31 | twb | tcsetattr: twb:x:1000:100:Trent Buck,,,:/home/twb:/bin/bash |
| 01:12.32 | sith-R2D2 | Alumin - not sure what a display manager is. i just power on, grub shows up, i pick debian and they spit gnome at me |
| 01:12.37 | michal__ | great :/ |
| 01:12.39 | michal__ | cdrecord: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target |
| 01:12.43 | Alumin | ie just because you use gdm doesn't necessarily mean you use gnome |
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| 01:12.54 | Alumin | sith-R2D2: do you get a graphical login screen or just straight to a desktop? |
| 01:13.00 | ginux | i have installed xserver-xfree86 but is not connected to kde3 and gnome2, how can i connect it ? |
| 01:13.07 | tcsetattr | so 100 is your primary group (users)... now how do the supplemental groups work on NIS... getent group video |
| 01:13.16 | sith-R2D2 | alumni - graphic login |
| 01:13.22 | sith-R2D2 | alumni - needs l/p |
| 01:13.30 | Alumin | sith-R2D2: ok, that program that takes your login credentials is a display manager |
| 01:13.31 | twb | tcsetattr: video:x:44: |
| 01:13.40 | sith-R2D2 | Alumin - oh |
| 01:13.41 | sith-R2D2 | duh |
| 01:13.43 | Alumin | if you're using gnome, it's probably gdm |
| 01:13.44 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 01:13.47 | sith-R2D2 | yeah |
| 01:13.55 | sith-R2D2 | i can just ask gdm to switch to kde? |
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| 01:14.06 | twb | I notice that I've manually added "twb" to the audio group on the client, which is why twb is in the audio group on the client. |
| 01:14.16 | twb | I'd prefer it to inherit from the server, though. |
| 01:14.16 | tcsetattr | twb, I think maybe it won't get group info from the NIS server unless teh group is completely nonexistent on the client... |
| 01:14.19 | Alumin | unfortunately that's all the help I can give since I don't use it myself, but I have personally seen gdm present a DE switcher dialog with the l/p prompt |
| 01:14.21 | FieldySnuts | hopefully you used vigr |
| 01:14.42 | twb | tcsetattr: ...and higher than 500 or whatever.. |
| 01:14.48 | Alumin | it even had twm! |
| 01:14.56 | twb | tcsetattr: OK, I'll just stick to the messy-but-works solution. |
| 01:14.57 | Alumin | mmmmm twm |
| 01:15.01 | twb | tcsetattr: Thanks for your help. |
| 01:15.05 | mmmmm | damn you! |
| 01:15.14 | Alumin | lol |
| 01:15.18 | ace84128 | does anyone know how to resolve: Debootstrap error Couldn't download diff |
| 01:15.25 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 01:15.25 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 01:15.44 | Alumin | sith-R2D2: the other, more manual solution, would be to edit ~/.xsession and tell it to exec startkde instead of gnome-session |
| 01:15.54 | sith-R2D2 | jesus was black |
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| 01:15.56 | sith-R2D2 | they got it all wrong |
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| 01:16.57 | Alumin | MobyTurbo: I appeal for an exemption on the grounds that I did actually, physically laugh out loud...the above was just to document the fact |
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| 01:19.36 | sith-R2D2 | Alumin - yay i was able to switch to ke |
| 01:19.38 | sith-R2D2 | kde |
| 01:19.42 | Alumin | cool |
| 01:20.05 | SexyCaroL | iam offering money for the one who build for me my own distro based on debian For more information Pv Me |
| 01:20.08 | Alumin | can't say I understand your logic, but hey, to each his own :) |
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| 01:20.37 | Alumin | SexyCaroL: we heard you the first three times, get a longer timer |
| 01:20.45 | tcsetattr | mmm sexy spambot |
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| 01:21.06 | sith-R2D2 | Alumin - is it just me, or is kde more windows like, and gnome is more old fashioned? |
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| 01:21.19 | sith-R2D2 | kde looks all slick, gnome just looks blah |
| 01:21.25 | Alumin | heh |
| 01:21.32 | michal__ | i see it the other way |
| 01:21.32 | sith-R2D2 | true? |
| 01:21.34 | MobyTurbo | Alumin: SexyCaroL has asked more than just three times |
| 01:21.38 | michal__ | ke looks garish and gnome looks slick |
| 01:21.40 | Alumin | well, I personally prefer GNOME because they didn't try to reinvent the wheel as much |
| 01:21.48 | afaict | Whats the package install KDE desktop ? |
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| 01:22.04 | smacnay | what is the debian package that tracks successive installs of hand-compiled apps? |
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| 01:22.12 | _daniel_ | afaict, kde-core |
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| 01:22.13 | Alumin | smacnay: checkinstall? |
| 01:22.17 | afaict | _daniel_, thanks |
| 01:22.20 | TheTransporter | i think KDE does look slicker but GNOME is more lightweight. when i tried to install them as base packages on other distros the GNOME UI was dramatically smaller |
| 01:22.23 | smacnay | Alumin: might be, let me see... |
| 01:22.33 | smacnay | Alumin: yes |
| 01:22.35 | smacnay | Alumin: thanks |
| 01:22.51 | deadcat_ | TheTransporter: they both bloated. what the f you talking about. |
| 01:22.51 | initech | TheTransporter: i'm not sure gnome is more lightweight than KDE, it sure isn't faster |
| 01:23.04 | Alumin | smacnay: personally I would recommend reading the new maintainer's guide and learning to make your own packages |
| 01:23.10 | Alumin | you'll be much happier in the end |
| 01:23.26 | Alumin | I used to use checkinstall and once I learned to package I never looked back |
| 01:23.43 | smacnay | Alumin: thanks - I will do that. |
| 01:23.51 | smacnay | Alumin: where is this guide? |
| 01:23.56 | TheTransporter | deadcat and initech: when i said lightweight i meant size. sorry for making it seem like something else |
| 01:24.00 | initech | deadcat_: yes, i use console only, with a line printer instead of a monitor. this is on a AMD 3200 with 4GB ram |
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| 01:24.33 | Alumin | smacnay: apt-get install maint-guide |
| 01:24.40 | smacnay | Alumin: thanks again |
| 01:24.42 | deadcat_ | initech: you're weird. |
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| 01:25.01 | Alumin | or if English isn't your first language there are localized versions maint-guide-* |
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| 01:25.09 | varg | is there a .deb package for j2re or j2sdk? |
| 01:25.16 | initech | deadcat_: monitors are bloat |
| 01:25.39 | sith-R2D2 | =| |
| 01:25.45 | _daniel_ | varg yes...... |
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| 01:25.53 | Alumin | varg: yes, but I'm pretty sure you'll have to add external apt source(s) |
| 01:25.59 | MobyTurbo | varg: /msg dpkg java |
| 01:26.03 | varg | _daniel_, an official sun one? |
| 01:26.05 | varg | okay |
| 01:26.19 | _daniel_ | varg no |
| 01:26.22 | _daniel_ | not official |
| 01:26.26 | MobyTurbo | varg: no official sun ones, but you can make a .deb out of a sun jdk/jre using java-package |
| 01:26.43 | varg | too bad, they should realize there's a ton of debian/debian-based systems |
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| 01:26.59 | Alumin | varg: it's a licensing issue, not an effort issue :) |
| 01:27.08 | varg | ahh |
| 01:27.14 | DennisTT | What was the version before Sarge? |
| 01:27.15 | varg | why can't they license it for Debian? |
| 01:27.22 | Alumin | DennisTT: 3.0 Woody |
| 01:27.22 | _daniel_ | varg use the blackdawn repositories |
| 01:27.22 | ace84128 | does anyone know how to resolve: Debootstrap error Couldn't download diff |
| 01:27.25 | michal__ | oh well.. growisofs failed too :( looks like i'll have to go into windows to burn these dvd's |
| 01:27.32 | DennisTT | And Sarge is 3.1? |
| 01:27.34 | varg | _daniel_, I will, thanks |
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| 01:27.35 | Alumin | yup |
| 01:27.48 | DennisTT | How can I upgrade from Woody to Sarge? |
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| 01:27.56 | _daniel_ | varg, URI: deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ |
| 01:27.56 | _daniel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.56 | _daniel_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:28.03 | varg | I need j2re/j2sdk for Azureus, using any other BT client is disgusting... |
| 01:28.16 | michal__ | pretty ironic.. have to use windows to burn sarge dvd's |
| 01:28.17 | varg | I don't care about browser support |
| 01:28.17 | Alumin | change your sources.list, replace "woody" with "sarge", then "apt-get dist-upgrade", go eat dinner |
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| 01:28.46 | varg | michal__, i used fedora and cdparanoia |
| 01:28.53 | Alumin | oh, before "apt-get dist-upgrade", do "apt-get update" |
| 01:28.54 | Alumin | duh |
| 01:29.07 | michal__ | varg: heh.. so you need redhat to burn debian? :) |
| 01:29.09 | cheal | !tell DennisTT about woody->sarge |
| 01:29.21 | ace84128 | Sarge Install error: Debootstrap error Couldn't download diff |
| 01:29.26 | varg | michal__, fedora isn't redhat anymore ;) |
| 01:29.29 | Alumin | !tell Alumin about woody->sarge |
| 01:29.39 | cheal | !tell Alumin about msg the bot |
| 01:29.44 | ege | sarge -> woody? |
| 01:29.44 | ariacode | ace84128: did it download other things? |
| 01:29.50 | ace84128 | no |
| 01:29.59 | Alumin | haha, ok no problem |
| 01:30.09 | ariacode | acd84128: hmm... are you connected to the internet? |
| 01:30.13 | wolaopa | Alumin, woody=sarge, he needs 'testing'. |
| 01:30.16 | sith-R2D2 | lol! |
| 01:30.19 | ace84128 | no |
| 01:30.24 | sith-R2D2 | is he connected to the internets...please |
| 01:30.24 | michal__ | varg: you wouldn't happen to remember the commandline you used? |
| 01:30.25 | sith-R2D2 | omg |
| 01:30.30 | ace84128 | It is on a laptop |
| 01:30.38 | varg | michal__, nope, i just googled for cdparanoia/iso |
| 01:30.41 | varg | sorry |
| 01:30.41 | ariacode | ace84128: that was a dumb question then. How do you expect it to download something? |
| 01:30.55 | michal__ | varg: i didn't think cdparanoia even supported dvd's |
| 01:31.00 | varg | but if you already have a windows box with Nero, go for it |
| 01:31.03 | varg | Nero is an awesome program |
| 01:31.27 | varg | michal__, ah you're making a DVD version? |
| 01:31.33 | varg | I just grabbed the first CD |
| 01:31.37 | ace84128 | well is there a way around downloading a file |
| 01:31.44 | michal__ | varg: that's what I said |
| 01:31.45 | ace84128 | it is a standalone laptop |
| 01:31.49 | ariacode | acd84128: download the full cd's and use that as your package source if you can't get onto the network. |
| 01:31.49 | varg | missed it ;) |
| 01:31.54 | varg | use dvdrecord |
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| 01:32.00 | varg | or k3b |
| 01:32.00 | Alumin | wolaopa: how is woody the same as sarge? |
| 01:32.06 | ace84128 | it is the full CD |
| 01:32.36 | ariacode | ace84128: hmm, I haven't installed in a while, but isn't there a section where it lets you say where to get packages from? |
| 01:32.44 | wolaopa | few days ago, woody became sarge. read announcement fr debian. |
| 01:32.47 | Alumin | wol |
| 01:32.52 | michal__ | varg: i doubt it supports the drive.. and i've already made i coaster with something that does support it (growisofs) |
| 01:33.00 | Alumin | er... wolaopa: surely they upgraded _some_ packages in 3 years :) |
| 01:33.10 | varg | michal__ what drive do you have |
| 01:33.20 | michal__ | varg: lg 16x dvd burner |
| 01:33.26 | kinghippo | do i need to install alsa for sound with an old audigy? |
| 01:33.34 | wolaopa | Alumin, don't know what you mean. |
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| 01:33.42 | yoshio | !sound |
| 01:33.42 | Alumin | wolaopa: I think you mean "sarge became stable" |
| 01:33.42 | varg | i've got a plextor dual layer and it worked just fine |
| 01:33.42 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 01:33.53 | kinghippo | thanks |
| 01:33.56 | Alumin | wolaopa: if he has his apt sources pointed at woody, they're still going to get woody packages |
| 01:33.57 | varg | but, like i said, if you have Nero go ahead and use that :> |
| 01:34.01 | varg | Nero is a great program |
| 01:34.02 | ege | Alumin: a cycle |
| 01:34.11 | michal__ | var: i'm holding you personally responsible if it creates a coaster :P |
| 01:34.13 | ege | Alumin: old things |
| 01:34.24 | varg | can't hold me responsible since i said to use nero if you have it ;) |
| 01:34.28 | Alumin | if he had his apt sources pointed at "stable", then he should have already gotten the updates |
| 01:34.42 | wolaopa | Alumin, which is sarge. |
| 01:34.48 | Alumin | right :) |
| 01:34.55 | yoshio | !java |
| 01:34.55 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 01:35.00 | michal__ | just have to transfer 9 gigs across the network and back again before i use nero :/ |
| 01:35.10 | Alumin | but if the lines in his sources.list have "woody" in them rather than "stable", then it's still going to point at woody's debs |
| 01:35.32 | varg | has anyone here used dvdshrink with wine? |
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| 01:35.40 | varg | i'm wondering how stable it is, winehq.com says it's pretty stable.... |
| 01:35.55 | michal__ | varg: with dvdrecord.. Supported modes: PACKET SAO |
| 01:36.16 | varg | hum, just use nero |
| 01:36.20 | varg | simpler |
| 01:36.26 | yoshio | varg, _daniel_: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 |
| 01:36.31 | ege | Alumin: what's nero? |
| 01:36.33 | michal__ | varg: not much.. will have to resize the hard disk :/ |
| 01:36.38 | mrplum | how do I give a user access to the x display? if I su user and try to run an x app I want it to work on my current other user |
| 01:36.47 | varg | ah shit |
| 01:36.54 | Alumin | ege: not sure why you're asking me, but it's GUI CD recording software for Win32 |
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| 01:37.07 | ege | Alumin: oh |
| 01:37.19 | michal__ | there is a nero for linux.. but i think it needs a gui :P |
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| 01:37.29 | Alumin | I used to use it before I left The Evil Empire(tm) |
| 01:37.31 | Alumin | :) |
| 01:37.43 | ace84128 | ariacode: does it have to be internet active to install Sarge |
| 01:38.01 | yoshio | mrplum: ssh -X otherusername |
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| 01:38.07 | Alumin | mrplum: are you su-ing in an xterm? |
| 01:38.10 | mrplum | yesir |
| 01:38.12 | ege | Alumin: a viper software company... |
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| 01:38.31 | Alumin | mrplum: you need to 1) set your DISPLAY environment variable in the new login's environment |
| 01:38.31 | michal__ | I wonder why burning DVD's is such a hassle under linux. i would have though there was some sort of a standard thatt dvd burners supported |
| 01:38.50 | mrplum | yup done that, :0.0 |
| 01:38.54 | Alumin | and 2) grant permission (via xauth or xhost) for the other user to use the first user's display |
| 01:39.01 | ege | DVD is evil |
| 01:39.02 | mrplum | ah okay, that's what I'll do |
| 01:39.18 | Alumin | the easiest, and wildly insecure way to do #2 is to run "xhost +" in one of the original user's xterms |
| 01:39.24 | michal__ | ege: yeah! punch cards all the way!! |
| 01:39.28 | Alumin | then run "xhost -" when the other user is finished |
| 01:39.35 | ege | ? |
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| 01:39.58 | Alumin | what you really want to do is run xauth, generate MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE keys, etc etc man xauth |
| 01:40.02 | varg | brb |
| 01:40.03 | jimi | hey is there an unrar package for debian (that is free)? |
| 01:40.10 | Alumin | but that may be overkill depending on your needs/environment |
| 01:40.31 | ege | ... |
| 01:40.34 | ege | ... |
| 01:40.51 | Xuse | enough with the damn dots. |
| 01:41.01 | Alumin | jimi: there's an "unrar" in non-free |
| 01:41.09 | yoshio | jimi: unrar-free |
| 01:41.09 | Alumin | it's free as in beer if that's what you mean |
| 01:41.18 | Alumin | never mind :p |
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| 01:41.45 | yoshio | jimi: unrar-free doesn't handle unrar 3.0 format files, you need the non-free version for that |
| 01:41.53 | Alumin | why is there an "unrar" in non-free if there's a free version in main? |
| 01:41.59 | jimi | yoshio: cheers mate |
| 01:42.00 | Alumin | never mind X2 |
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| 01:42.59 | trave11er | Alumin: free unrar cannot unpack the latest archive version or something |
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| 01:43.34 | rfcomm0 | trave11er: the not-free unrar dont mean you have to pay, it just mean the code is not open source |
| 01:43.51 | trave11er | rfcomm0: i know |
| 01:44.02 | reamtS | what is the package name that will allow me to share my compiling the kernel over more then two computers? |
| 01:44.10 | Guerin | reamtS: distcc |
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| 01:44.15 | reamtS | Guerin: thx |
| 01:44.21 | Guerin | !thx |
| 01:44.22 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
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| 01:45.01 | jimi | rfcomm0: its sez its non free, yet they provide the source: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/r/rar/rar_3.30.orig.tar.gz |
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| 01:46.46 | yoshio | jimi: non-free refers to licensing terms |
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| 01:47.02 | jimi | rfcomm0: my mistake it isnt source... =( |
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| 01:48.30 | senorjefep | can anyone help me? |
| 01:48.34 | senorjefep | :) |
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| 01:48.45 | Guerin | no |
| 01:48.54 | Guerin | you haven't told us what the matter is |
| 01:48.55 | senorjefep | okay. :(( |
| 01:49.19 | senorjefep | im brand new to debian and trying to learn how to customize it to my computer but dont know anything about it. |
| 01:49.45 | Guerin | senorjefep: details |
| 01:49.47 | senorjefep | ive read a bunch of faqs but they leave out the general info that i cant seem to find |
| 01:49.52 | senorjefep | i have a TP600E |
| 01:50.18 | Guerin | !wayttd senorjefep |
| 01:50.19 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, senorjefep? |
| 01:50.21 | senorjefep | everything is installed, im using it.. itsjust that the sound/video card/modem dont work and i dont know how to make them work. |
| 01:50.50 | Guerin | ok, now we have something to work with |
| 01:51.10 | senorjefep | the screen is like in windows if it boots up without seeing the video card. its 800x600 and slow to draw... so it should be 1024...and faster than this |
| 01:51.11 | Guerin | senorjefep: let's do video first, then sound. You'll probably have to give up on the modem. |
| 01:51.26 | Guerin | senorjefep: what video card? |
| 01:51.26 | senorjefep | the Mwave modem? ive seen that there is support for it |
| 01:51.30 | senorjefep | but i dont know how to set it up. |
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| 01:51.34 | senorjefep | its a neomagic 256 |
| 01:51.47 | Guerin | senorjefep: i don't know, maybe there is. But most laptops come with winmodems. |
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| 01:51.54 | senorjefep | yah |
| 01:51.58 | Guerin | !drxx senorjefep |
| 01:51.59 | dpkg | senorjefep: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 01:52.08 | senorjefep | ?? |
| 01:52.13 | senorjefep | i type this into the console? |
| 01:52.21 | Guerin | senorjefep: choose 'neomagic' driver - i have the same in my toshi and it works perfectly |
| 01:52.21 | Xuse | yes |
| 01:52.25 | Guerin | senorjefep: y |
| 01:52.51 | senorjefep | okay |
| 01:52.56 | senorjefep | i opened something called root terminal |
| 01:53.04 | yoshio | senorjefep: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/, look under IBM -> TP600E |
| 01:53.04 | Guerin | that'll do |
| 01:53.16 | senorjefep | k |
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| 01:53.45 | smacnay | Alumin: I looked at my system and realize that a whole bunch of apps are installed to /usr/local/ and will just not try to weed them all out now. Next time I do a fresh install, I will keep your recommendation in mind. |
| 01:53.49 | senorjefep | so xwindows isnt seeing the card? |
| 01:54.07 | Guerin | senorjefep: it's probably using the vesa driver. |
| 01:54.08 | senorjefep | neomagic is selected already.. i selected it during setup |
| 01:54.12 | senorjefep | the default was vesa |
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| 01:54.40 | Guerin | senorjefep: ok. choose a higher resolution |
| 01:54.50 | senorjefep | i cant it only lists 640 800 |
| 01:54.57 | senorjefep | in the things in KDE at least |
| 01:55.21 | Guerin | senorjefep: drxx gives you the chance to setother resolutions |
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| 01:55.37 | senorjefep | its asking me the bus of the card uh |
| 01:55.43 | jetx | hey uh so like.... i chown'd -R me:games /* ... should i just chown -R root:root / then fix /home, or what |
| 01:55.51 | jimi | hey anyone know how to get the fourCC code out of an avi? |
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| 01:56.48 | jetx | !test |
| 01:56.48 | dpkg | Sorry, jetx, I didn't get your test. |
| 01:56.57 | Guerin | senorjefep: hit enter |
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| 01:57.31 | Guerin | jimi: mplayer will tell you in its output when you try to play it |
| 01:57.44 | jimi | Guerin: thkz |
| 01:58.11 | senorjefep | hey this has everything |
| 01:58.14 | senorjefep | cool |
| 01:58.22 | senorjefep | what are these module things its asking me to picK? |
| 01:58.46 | jetx | nvidia cards don't like glcore or dri but do like glx |
| 01:58.49 | senorjefep | i changed the resolution.. it was on 800x600 coz i picked the MEDIUM option during setup .. but wheni picked ADVANCED it let me set the resolution and stuff |
| 01:58.51 | jetx | ati i dunno |
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| 01:59.03 | Xuse | defaults are usually fine. |
| 01:59.05 | jetx | but you need the vert and horiz refresh rates |
| 01:59.15 | senorjefep | i used the defaults.. i dunno what they are |
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| 01:59.22 | jetx | ooopsies |
| 01:59.25 | senorjefep | uh oh? |
| 01:59.26 | nse | etch isn't receiving upgrades for ages.. what's happening? |
| 01:59.36 | jetx | google the model # of your monitor |
| 01:59.43 | jetx | i find that to work best |
| 01:59.50 | senorjefep | err... its an lcd in a tp600E |
| 01:59.52 | jetx | then look for v&h refresh rates |
| 02:00.05 | jetx | ah not sure about lcd |
| 02:00.14 | senorjefep | k |
| 02:00.24 | jetx | defaults might be right then, no idea |
| 02:00.48 | senorjefep | is there a way to go back in this xwindows setup? |
| 02:00.54 | jetx | !drxx |
| 02:00.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 02:01.14 | Guerin | lcds don't crash and die when you feed them bad settings, unlike crts |
| 02:01.22 | Guerin | senorjefep: no, sadly. |
| 02:01.29 | Guerin | senorjefep: just try it anyway |
| 02:01.31 | _meppl_ | gute nacht - good night |
| 02:01.33 | senorjefep | okay ill try. |
| 02:01.34 | senorjefep | thanks |
| 02:01.43 | senorjefep | so its done i guess. |
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| 02:02.11 | r3v | is there any guess at all on eta of xorg in sid? |
| 02:02.21 | jetx | so how should i fix my stupidity of chowning /* |
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| 02:03.08 | jetx | i could try my dvd's and reinstall |
| 02:03.16 | jetx | heh |
| 02:03.51 | ginux | i have installed xserver-xfree86 but is not connected to kde3 and gnome2, how can i connect it ? |
| 02:03.59 | Xuse | whats the deal with xorg does it have some amazing feature or something? Because i really couldn't care less. |
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| 02:04.12 | r3v | Xuse: it makes my video card work |
| 02:04.22 | Xuse | ok that's a good reason. |
| 02:04.22 | r3v | Xuse: otherwise I have to boot Live CD to use 3D |
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| 02:04.52 | senorjefep | connected? |
| 02:04.54 | r3v | Xuse: but I like debian too much to switch off it for that reason, especially since I know it's comming eventually |
| 02:05.17 | senorjefep | i thought xserver was like quartz or something |
| 02:05.32 | yoshio | ginux: apt-cache show kdebase kde-core |
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| 02:06.30 | ginux | well.. i guess that no .. |
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| 02:06.57 | yoshio | ginux: apt-cache show gnome-core |
| 02:07.15 | ginux | yoshio, all the kde3 its installed but, isnt in /etc/X11 the kdm |
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| 02:08.27 | trave11er | mborohovski: here? |
| 02:08.48 | ginux | yoshio, what can be ? |
| 02:09.39 | yoshio | ginux: apt-get install kdm ? |
| 02:10.04 | yoshio | ginux: you may only have a minimal kde installation |
| 02:10.15 | ginux | yoshio, i didn't that but.. kdm its apart of kde dist ? |
| 02:10.30 | yoshio | ginux: I don't have kdm installed, and I thought I had most of kde installed |
| 02:10.41 | Xuse | people actually use KDE? |
| 02:10.54 | dvs | Xuse, yes! |
| 02:10.59 | Vladi_here | can i reconfigure gnome-games in order to have some of them not all? |
| 02:11.05 | dcon | amsn doesn't give me audio... |
| 02:11.06 | ginux | yoshio, u use gdm then.. |
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| 02:11.08 | Guerin | ginux: you need to install x-window-system, not just xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:11.15 | dcon | a conference audio |
| 02:11.23 | Guerin | or x-window-system-core, at a minimum |
| 02:11.30 | yoshio | ginux: apt-cache show kdm says that priority is optional, and the source is kdebase, so many binary packages come out of the source package kdebase |
| 02:11.31 | Xuse | I could never let go off my gnome and it's simple look. |
| 02:11.45 | Guerin | gah, gnome is worse than kde |
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| 02:11.57 | Xuse | Guerin it has better apps. |
| 02:11.58 | Guerin | and it's not simple, either |
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| 02:12.10 | yoshio | ginux: I don't use gdm/kdm/xdm, I just do 'startx' when I need it |
| 02:12.13 | poonj | hey guys...anyone know if there is a program that can convert a bunch of individual picture files into a single pdf? |
| 02:12.16 | poonj | a2ps? |
| 02:12.19 | Xuse | Sure it is. It has a simple look, there is nothing fancy about it. |
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| 02:12.43 | Guerin | Xuse: i would have agreed with you until they all became totally integrated with gnomish stupidness like the fucking idiotic file selector |
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| 02:12.54 | LSorense | poonj: openoffice? |
| 02:13.01 | poonj | from the commandline I mean.. |
| 02:13.10 | Guerin | poonj: pdftk |
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| 02:13.21 | poonj | guerin: okay |
| 02:13.37 | Pryon | convert might do it |
| 02:13.38 | Xuse | Guerin there is a lot i dont like about gnome too, but for the most part it works pretty well for me. |
| 02:13.51 | ginux | Guerin, right.. |
| 02:14.00 | ginux | ty guys, later.. |
| 02:14.15 | LSorense | poonj: well imagemagick might allow converting the images to postscript, which can probably then be converted to a a large postscript file which can be converted to pdf |
| 02:14.19 | Vladi_here | dpkg-reconfigure gnome-games says nothin' |
| 02:14.25 | LSorense | poonj: how would that be useful though? |
| 02:14.52 | LSorense | poonj: pointless does presentations, i wonder if it can generate pdf's from the presentation script |
| 02:14.58 | poonj | wekk |
| 02:15.02 | poonj | I have a sheetfed scanner |
| 02:15.17 | poonj | I'm condensing all of my binders and scanning them into my computer so Ic an throw out the paper |
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| 02:15.19 | yoshio | Vladi_here: /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-games* are the pre-install, pre-remove,post-remove scripts |
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| 02:15.29 | Guerin | poonj: ocr! |
| 02:15.30 | poonj | when it scans....it saves them as individual files |
| 02:15.33 | poonj | ocr? |
| 02:15.37 | Guerin | !ocr |
| 02:15.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, ocr is (Optical Character Recognition) This is the technology that allows computers to "read" the text from physical objects. It requires a graphical representation of text to interpret. This usually comes from a scanned image. see http://jocr.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:15.38 | LSorense | poonj: might be able to embeded images in a tex document and generate a pdf from that, or something using docbook with embedded images |
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| 02:16.04 | poonj | does sane do that? |
| 02:16.28 | Vladi_here | yoshio, right i'll check thanks |
| 02:16.30 | Guerin | poonj: no idea, never used it on unix. |
| 02:16.36 | poonj | umm |
| 02:16.42 | poonj | it seems easier to do with just converting images |
| 02:16.52 | poonj | well, must merging them |
| 02:17.00 | Guerin | poonj: aiui, though, sane just grabs the images - you may be able to run ocr on the images themselves. |
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| 02:17.14 | poonj | what would OCR do for me though? |
| 02:17.25 | poonj | in terms of combining many images into one? |
| 02:17.38 | Guerin | convert your images to text, making them FAR more flexible and saving you shitloads of disk space. |
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| 02:18.04 | poonj | heh |
| 02:18.05 | poonj | okay |
| 02:18.15 | poonj | well |
| 02:18.19 | Guerin | poonj: look at pgdp.org for what people do with ocr these days |
| 02:19.21 | shuning | bookwarez! |
| 02:20.53 | Guerin | shuning: can't warez the pd |
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| 02:21.21 | shuning | oh i was refering in general to application of OCR, not the link above :) |
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| 02:23.08 | hejux | is there a zip and uzip GUI program that supports rar zip etc. ? |
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| 02:24.24 | amphi | hejux: ISTR some gui front end like that, but I have no idea what it's called |
| 02:24.30 | Xuse | hejux file-roller. |
| 02:24.42 | jcole | how do i make all my rc scripts use an LD_PRELOAD variable without having to hack each one and every new one that comes along? in other words, how do i make an LD_PRELOAD system-wide... i tried to add it to /etc/profile, /etc/environment with no success... any suggestions? |
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| 02:25.43 | tcsetattr | there is such a thing as /etc/ld.so.preload, but I have no idea how it's supposed to be used. google it |
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| 02:26.23 | hejux | amphi ： |
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| 02:26.37 | hejux | amphi： do you use p7zip ? |
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| 02:28.36 | jason__ | for some reason i can't get my madwifi card to read from wireless-essid SSID or wireless_essid SSID. anyone know the correct format? |
| 02:28.41 | jason__ | wireless_essid SSID works for my prism54 card |
| 02:28.42 | eggy | How do I run the menu config program for xfree86 |
| 02:28.51 | amphi | hejux: you're breaking up - what did you say? |
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| 02:29.15 | Xuse | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:29.25 | jcole | tcsetattr: just googled it, i think that's what i'm looking for... thanks |
| 02:29.30 | hejux | amphi: what compress program do you use ? |
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| 02:30.11 | Xuse | hejux just use file-roller |
| 02:30.15 | amphi | hejux: gzip or bzip2 |
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| 02:30.37 | amphi | hejux: or zip if it's for a winperson |
| 02:30.41 | lnzju | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.44 | eXoDuS | bbrazil: still there? |
| 02:31.21 | jcole | brb |
| 02:33.37 | eXoDuS | ok im having some trouble with one of my nics, It seems to have problems with it's speed, it's limiting it's upload to 20kb/sec when it should be doing 120kb/sec ~ and is capable of 1M, anyone knows if there's anything I could try or might it just be a faulty nic card which needs to be replaced? |
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| 02:34.57 | jasoncohen | hmm, when i set the essid through iwconfig ath0 essid "SSID NAME" it only lasts until i remove the card but the madwifi card seems to ignore the settings in /etc/network/interfaces. what should i do? |
| 02:35.25 | ariacode | eXoDuS: what's the output of 'ifconfig'? |
| 02:35.49 | FarrisG | I have an nfs server with an 800MB partition, and something somewhere on the network is rapidly sucking up space. Anyone know a quick way to figure out where that data's being sucked up? |
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| 02:36.19 | Guerin | FarrisG: tcpdump |
| 02:36.23 | eXoDuS | ariacode: should i paste it here? :S |
| 02:36.50 | Guerin | eXoDuS: /msg dpkg paster |
| 02:37.43 | paster | "eXoDuS" at 200.126.249.238 pasted "eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWadd" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/228 |
| 02:40.06 | eXoDuS | ariacode: got that? |
| 02:40.20 | tictac | hmm, that could easily be abused. |
| 02:40.41 | Guerin | tictac: name three things in the world which can't be easily abused. |
| 02:40.42 | ariacode | eXoDuS: hmm. I don't see anything funny, except for that gnarly inet addr ;) |
| 02:40.49 | tictac | Guerin: true. |
| 02:40.54 | eXoDuS | andste: gnarly? |
| 02:40.59 | ariacode | eXoDuS: how about ' ifconfig eth1 media 10baseT up'? |
| 02:41.17 | tictac | thats much easier to abuse than normal irc flooding. |
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| 02:41.29 | eXoDuS | port: SIOCSIFMAP: Operation not supported |
| 02:41.39 | ariacode | shitty. |
| 02:41.43 | ariacode | I don't know man. |
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| 02:41.58 | eXoDuS | guess ill try buying another nic card tomorrow :;/ |
| 02:42.26 | ariacode | eXoDuS: yeah, maybe. what setup are you using to test it? |
| 02:43.00 | ariacode | is iptables running? |
| 02:43.50 | eXoDuS | ariacode: tried both |
| 02:43.53 | eXoDuS | first it was |
| 02:43.58 | eXoDuS | then i thought of it and disabled it |
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| 02:44.33 | eXoDuS | the problem now is knowing which of the eth cards is the one i have to replace :S |
| 02:44.37 | eXoDuS | they are both identical |
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| 02:45.33 | eggy | how do ya disable xfree86 from starting on reboot? |
| 02:45.43 | eXoDuS | man update-rc.d |
| 02:45.44 | eggy | err on boot* |
| 02:45.55 | FLSTC | I am looking to read the amplitude of a wav file, (to verify it is not derived from mp3) anybody point me in the right direction? |
| 02:46.41 | Xuse | FLSTC dunno maybe you can do it in audacity? Never tried before though. |
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| 02:46.49 | FarrisG | Can I use tcpdump to show me exactly where data is being written to, or do I have to find out where the requests are coming from and then go to that machine and use lsof or something? |
| 02:47.28 | FLSTC | Xuse, do you know of another way to see if a file was once compressed? |
| 02:47.54 | Xuse | Nope, i just hope to hell it wasn't. ;p |
| 02:48.02 | FLSTC | hehe |
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| 02:48.31 | FLSTC | ok will use audacity and chck it out. |
| 02:48.38 | FLSTC | thnx for the help |
| 02:48.58 | tictac | FarrisG: tcpdump will only allow you to see where packets are coming and going, not to what they are done with once they get there |
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| 02:49.14 | tictac | err s/to// |
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| 02:49.55 | ariacode | FarrisG: I haven't used nfs in a while, but you may be able to get the destination folders from the packet data, try tcpdump -Xx |
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| 02:51.31 | ariacode | eggy: chmod 0644 /etc/init.d/gdm |
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| 02:51.45 | FarrisG | thanks guys |
| 02:52.12 | trave11er | mborohovski: ping |
| 02:53.20 | mborohovski | here |
| 02:53.26 | mborohovski | pong |
| 02:53.26 | mborohovski | :) |
| 02:53.38 | trave11er | mborohovski: i've got an image for you |
| 02:53.52 | trave11er | mborohovski: http://www.wooyd.org/d-i/ |
| 02:54.01 | trave11er | it's somewhat flaky, but should boot |
| 02:54.05 | ariacode | FarrisG: http://nfswatch.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:54.23 | mborohovski | and what is that and whatll that do? |
| 02:54.46 | trave11er | mborohovski: it's a mini-iso containing 2.6.11 |
| 02:54.58 | trave11er | burn it to a cd and boot from it |
| 02:55.00 | mborohovski | and a mini-iso is? and what do i do with it? :p |
| 02:55.02 | trave11er | it will start the installer |
| 02:55.08 | mborohovski | mmhmm... |
| 02:55.19 | trave11er | mborohovski: burn it as a normal iso |
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| 02:56.18 | mborohovski | what do i do once it boots and starts the installer? |
| 02:56.23 | mborohovski | will it install properly? |
| 02:56.31 | mborohovski | why does it say keyboard selection segfaults? |
| 02:56.45 | trave11er | mborohovski: because it segfaults :-) |
| 02:56.47 | cuti | does anyone know why i got hid, input, mousedev modules load but it mouse still not working? |
| 02:56.56 | cuti | i'm using kernel 2.4.27 |
| 02:57.00 | eXoDuS | ariacode: i presume there's nothing left to try? |
| 02:57.09 | trave11er | mborohovski: at minimum, it will allow you to mount you hdd, and properly install debian kernel on it |
| 02:57.16 | trave11er | mborohovski: i hope, at least |
| 02:57.39 | cuti | anyone knows? |
| 02:57.43 | mborohovski | hmm, k, ill try |
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| 02:58.20 | trave11er | mborohovski: think positive, if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces :-) |
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| 02:58.33 | ariacode | eXoDuS: hmm.. I never got the setup you're using. is it purely [A] <--> [B] where [A] has a good nic and [B] doesn't? |
| 02:58.45 | eXoDuS | ariacode: not really |
| 02:59.14 | eXoDuS | ariacode: the server has 2 nics, it receives connections from one, and through the other it forwards it to my box |
| 02:59.25 | eXoDuS | basically acts like a simple router |
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| 02:59.45 | ariacode | eXoDuS: ok, and your speeds from the router to the internet are fine, right? thinking.... |
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| 02:59.57 | eXoDuS | ariacode: yes |
| 03:00.05 | eXoDuS | archivist: from the server i can get 120kb down easily |
| 03:00.13 | _mercko_ | now crypto is in main, how distinguish export regulated from noregulated? |
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| 03:00.28 | EvilSporkMan | i kinda trashed my system - deleted most of /dev. can i recreate it if i boot to a liveCD or must i reinstall? |
| 03:00.36 | cthulfuego | _mercko_: Not. |
| 03:00.48 | ariacode | eXoDuS: do you get slow speeds on internet traffic only, or also only to the firewall from your box? |
| 03:00.56 | cthulfuego | _mercko_: Besides, US exports restrictions don't apply to downloads hosted outside the US, like 99% of Debian mirrors. |
| 03:01.09 | gin_ | how can i config my card sound SB Live! with alsa ? .. what tools must i have ? |
| 03:01.23 | eXoDuS | ariacode: just found out something, i only get low speed from internet traffic, if I transfer a file over ftp it downloads at 500kb (it's not the max but it's better than 20 at least) |
| 03:01.51 | ariacode | eXoDuS: what's the MTU on your box's nic? |
| 03:02.14 | eXoDuS | 1500 |
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| 03:02.25 | _mercko_ | but, US servers has different software from outside mirrors? if merged in main there are not differences |
| 03:02.31 | ariacode | eXoDuS: Is that the same as the internet nic on your fw? |
| 03:02.47 | eXoDuS | yup |
| 03:02.50 | eXoDuS | all the 3 of em have 1500 |
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| 03:03.21 | ariacode | very strange. |
| 03:03.49 | ariacode | have you tried swaping the nic's? I mean, have eth1 go to the internet, and eth0 be internal? |
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| 03:03.56 | ariacode | might be a bitch, but it might show something. |
| 03:04.00 | eXoDuS | ariacode: yes |
| 03:04.04 | eXoDuS | ariacode: it got worse :/ |
| 03:04.13 | cthulfuego | _mercko_: Indeed. |
| 03:04.14 | eXoDuS | i couldnt get more than a single kb on the server |
| 03:04.20 | eXoDuS | not even talk about the client box |
| 03:04.50 | ariacode | what's weird is that you'd think that if the nic was broken you wouldn't get good internal traffic. I'm stumped. |
| 03:04.53 | trave11er | EvilSporkMan: try: cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV |
| 03:05.10 | trave11er | EvilSporkMan: that should recreate the devices (hopefully) |
| 03:05.19 | ariacode | is iptables logging? |
| 03:05.26 | EvilSporkMan | trave11er, i think MAKEDEV is gone |
| 03:05.30 | eXoDuS | ariacode: yeah |
| 03:05.38 | trave11er | EvilSporkMan: bah |
| 03:05.46 | ariacode | you watched it when you try to go online? |
| 03:05.57 | trave11er | EvilSporkMan: apt-get install makedev |
| 03:06.10 | ariacode | I know you said it doesn't work w/ iptbls off, just curious. |
| 03:06.32 | EvilSporkMan | trave11er, thanks...anything special required to chroot into my system? |
| 03:06.59 | trave11er | EvilSporkMan: oh, you are booting from something else? |
| 03:07.04 | eXoDuS | ariacode: what do you mean go online? when i try do download something from my client box? |
| 03:07.10 | ariacode | yeah. |
| 03:07.14 | eXoDuS | let me see |
| 03:07.53 | gin_ | how can i config my card sound SB Live! with alsa ? .. what tools must i have ? |
| 03:07.59 | EvilSporkMan | trave11er, it's hard to boot with /dev empty |
| 03:08.07 | trave11er | EvilSporkMan: :-) |
| 03:08.27 | trave11er | EvilSporkMan: yeah, then mount the disk, chroot into the dir where it's mounted |
| 03:08.38 | trave11er | EvilSporkMan: then mount proc from there |
| 03:09.09 | EvilSporkMan | mount -t proc /proc ? |
| 03:09.19 | EvilSporkMan | been a while since i installed gentoo ;) |
| 03:09.23 | ariacode | proc proc |
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| 03:09.37 | EvilSporkMan | k...*prays* |
| 03:10.34 | trave11er | i wonder whether he understood that he needs to install makedev inside the chroot as well |
| 03:11.02 | ariacode | lol. |
| 03:11.32 | eXoDuS | ariacode: damn, now firewall-jay is being an ass |
| 03:11.34 | gin_ | how can install my SB Live! sound card |
| 03:12.08 | ariacode | eXoDuS: how so? |
| 03:12.39 | eXoDuS | im checking the logging options for dropped packets and others, hit ok, when i get tehre again they are all unchecked |
| 03:13.16 | ariacode | eXoDuS: wtf are you using to config the fw? |
| 03:13.25 | eXoDuS | "firewall-jay" :) |
| 03:13.41 | eXoDuS | <eXoDuS> ariacode: damn, now firewall-jay is being an ass -> it's the app that im talking about |
| 03:13.42 | ariacode | lol... I thought that was the name of your box. |
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| 03:13.47 | eXoDuS | ariacode: haha |
| 03:14.11 | eXoDuS | ariacode: it's a quick and easy frontend for iptables |
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| 03:14.22 | eXoDuS | ariacode: faster than typing down the rules by hand |
| 03:14.23 | ariacode | I'm sure it's a config thing dude. |
| 03:14.31 | ariacode | those front ends always screw things up. |
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| 03:14.43 | ariacode | try restarting, make sure iptbls doesn't start. |
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| 03:14.53 | ariacode | or _completely_ turn it off by hand. |
| 03:14.58 | eXoDuS | i can just shut down firewall jay and it disabled iptables |
| 03:15.03 | ^ZeRoCoL^ | any brasilians debian users in here ??? |
| 03:15.03 | remmy_ | im having trouble install qtella, could someone help me? when i ./configure it i get "qts moc not found!" error and it wont make/make install |
| 03:15.24 | ariacode | xdamienx: iptables -F ; iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT; , ect... |
| 03:15.51 | ariacode | i don't know how that name got before the iptables commands. |
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| 03:17.47 | ^ZeRoCoL^ | how to install mplayer and mplayer-plugin in debian distro ??? |
| 03:17.59 | eXoDuS | ariacode: duh, if i shutdown iptables then there's no much to test :p |
| 03:18.11 | eXoDuS | ariacode: i need to fix the issue when passing through iptables to the client box |
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| 03:18.26 | eXoDuS | without iptables i can't forward =] |
| 03:18.43 | jdhutchin1 | ^ZeRoCoL^, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 03:18.55 | ^ZeRoCoL^ | tank? |
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| 03:21.29 | ariacode | eXoDuS: yeah. heh. You signed off too soon ;) |
| 03:21.33 | eXoDuS | hehe |
| 03:21.50 | ariacode | eXoDuS: you can just do: (hold on, looking @ config...) |
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| 03:22.29 | shivraj | should I change all references to sarge in sources.list to stable ? |
| 03:22.39 | ariacode | eXoDuS: iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -J ACCEPT |
| 03:22.49 | ugly | shivraj: it won't make a difference |
| 03:23.11 | eXoDuS | unknown arg -J ? |
| 03:23.14 | ariacode | eXoDuS: |
| 03:23.18 | ariacode | hold on a sec. |
| 03:23.18 | ugly | shivraj: except in 10000000 years, when the next stable branch gets released |
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| 03:24.27 | SDFH_Linux | guys what is the command for installing gnome on apt-get |
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| 03:24.58 | ariacode | eXoDuS: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source <you internet ip address> |
| 03:25.08 | ugly | SDFH_Linux: you know, there's no one using the nick "SDFH," so I don't see why you need to spam us with the _Linux part of your nick |
| 03:25.22 | ugly | SDFH_Linux: /nick SDFH please |
| 03:25.28 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 03:25.29 | mrplum | Is there a debian way to compile v4l2 inter 2.4 kernel? I'm assuming it's not |
| 03:25.32 | ariacode | or just go here: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html |
| 03:25.55 | SDFH_Linux | how am i spamming you guys? |
| 03:25.57 | eXoDuS | ariacode: hehe |
| 03:26.04 | ariacode | down @ rc.firewall.txt. |
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| 03:26.16 | ethics | apparently UG is unregistered too..... |
| 03:26.20 | hejux | hey do you use Azureus to BT |
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| 03:26.37 | ugly | SDFH_Linux: and in answer to your question, you can either install "gnome" or "gnome-desktop-environment" - use 'apt-cache show <package name>' to see the differences |
| 03:26.50 | shivraj | I'm trying to mount a Motorola v220 phone |
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| 03:27.05 | ariacode | I believe you onlly need the FORWARD and POSTROUTE parts |
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| 03:27.07 | shivraj | Im using this 2.6.8-2 kernel, how do I use USB ?? |
| 03:27.11 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 03:27.48 | yoshio | SDFH_Linux: gnome-core is a minimal install, but gnome-desktop-environment might be better |
| 03:27.51 | gin_ | i can listen the sounds from gaim, and i can't listen mp3 .. |
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| 03:27.55 | gin_ | why |
| 03:28.03 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 03:28.07 | SDFH_Linux | thanks guys |
| 03:28.18 | SDFH_Linux | yoshio what gui do you run? |
| 03:28.34 | ethics | gin_ dmix from alsa needs setup |
| 03:28.48 | yoshio | SDFH_Linux: gnome |
| 03:28.55 | SDFH_Linux | 2.10? |
| 03:29.05 | [Sess] | has XFree86 got some new config options for dealing with Xinput devices like my tablet in 4.5.0? |
| 03:29.08 | remmy_ | can someone help me install java |
| 03:29.19 | [Sess] | I got DRI working with my rage mobility m3 finally |
| 03:29.28 | yoshio | SDFH_Linux: i'm on etch testing, so I'm still on 2.8.{1,2,3} |
| 03:29.29 | shivraj | whats the name of the package for libusb ? |
| 03:29.44 | ethics | shivraj: plug it in see wgat dmesg sats it mapped it as in the /devs |
| 03:29.51 | eXoDuS | ariacode: what's the point of doing this btw? |
| 03:29.52 | gin_ | whois ethics |
| 03:29.54 | [Sess] | but now the tablet doesn't move the cursor despite the fact that the event works and the testing utuility shows the xy locations moving and pressure |
| 03:30.00 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:30.01 | gin_ | i how can i do that ? |
| 03:30.09 | gin_ | i/* |
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| 03:30.37 | yoshio | remmy_: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 |
| 03:30.51 | gin_ | ethics, how can i setup alsa ? |
| 03:30.54 | ethics | [Sess]: posibly if its brand new but we dont have it yet i dont think////we will go xorg soonish |
| 03:31.04 | yoshio | shivraj: the lsusb utility is in the usbutils package |
| 03:31.08 | zumbi | gin_, alsaconf ? |
| 03:31.10 | SDFH_Linux | is there any way of uninstall gnome-desktop environment if i dont like it? |
| 03:31.23 | shivraj | yeah I see, apt-cache search ... |
| 03:31.36 | gin_ | zumbi, im doing that .. |
| 03:31.41 | paster | "ariacode" at 69.107.107.164 pasted "iptables" (11 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/229 |
| 03:31.46 | zumbi | SDFH_Linux, aptitude remove gnome-desktop ? |
| 03:31.46 | ariacode | eXoDuS: I have a feeling ipflter is dropping packets. |
| 03:31.48 | remmy_ | thanks |
| 03:31.51 | ethics | gin_ google alsa dmix....infos in alsa site |
| 03:31.55 | eXoDuS | ariacode: ah |
| 03:32.03 | gin_ | ethics, ty |
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| 03:32.17 | yoshio | !sound |
| 03:32.17 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 03:32.42 | ethics | dmix isnt default and apps need tweaking but i had 9 soubds going last night with it 8) |
| 03:32.44 | elkid | i m on text mode just installed debian, and i did distupgrade i just wonder if x-window-system is what i need to get the Xs |
| 03:32.53 | remmy_ | i get a error, no java virtual machine could be found from your PATH evnironment variable. You must install a VM prior to running this program. Could someone help me with this? |
| 03:33.02 | WhildGurl | Using awstats, does anyone know why refers aren't coming up in the stats? I'm almost positive it's set in my apache config |
| 03:33.20 | elkid | there many X packages xfree* |
| 03:33.33 | ethics | !java |
| 03:33.33 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
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| 03:34.22 | elkid | i m going to try the x-window-system |
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| 03:35.04 | iLLf8d | taekwondo and hapkido |
| 03:35.07 | gin_ | when i have configured alsaconf, should i reboot i guess.. or not ? |
| 03:35.08 | iLLf8d | oops wrong window |
| 03:35.13 | eXoDuS | ariacode: im looking at the dhcp version, since that's how i get my internet ip, but it wants the dhcp server's ip, is that really neded? |
| 03:35.46 | chendy | hi all |
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| 03:36.29 | ethics | gin_ read what i said alsaconf aint gonna help you 8) |
| 03:36.41 | shivraj | ethics : what should dmesg say ? |
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| 03:37.02 | ariacode | eXoDuS: if you already have that interface configured, you can just use it's current ip address for EXT_IP. |
| 03:37.09 | narg | heh. Editor war time! |
| 03:37.10 | shivraj | its saying new full speed device using address 2 |
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| 03:37.17 | narg | peer |
| 03:37.18 | eXoDuS | ariacode: what if it changes? |
| 03:37.25 | narg | I was like 6 hours behind in my buffer :p |
| 03:37.25 | yoshio | elkid: you can try gnome-desktop-environment, kde, kde-core, gnome-core, kdebase |
| 03:37.32 | ariacode | eXoDuS: and you can change that script ( I was talking about for testing ) |
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| 03:38.22 | yoshio | remmy_: which java did you install? |
| 03:38.30 | stax | what up |
| 03:38.49 | elkid | yoshio: whats the dif between gnome-core and gnome-desktop-environment? :) |
| 03:38.51 | shivraj | ethics when I plug the phone it some messages about USB pop up |
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| 03:38.53 | eXoDuS | ariacode: ok i ran it, but i still dont see log messages in syslog :/ |
| 03:38.54 | stax | ny real people here |
| 03:38.54 | ariacode | eXoDuS: instead of -s $DHCP_SERVER , use -o eth0 |
| 03:38.59 | shivraj | so Im assuming the USB is working |
| 03:39.02 | stax | *any |
| 03:39.12 | gin_ | ethics, it works.. ty for yar help.. :) |
| 03:39.13 | remmy_ | yoshio, im install it now... |
| 03:39.13 | shivraj | Im using moto4lin, a gui program ... but it cant connect to the phone |
| 03:39.20 | FarrisG | how long you reckon it should take a Xeon 3.0GHz machine to bzip2 about 35G of not-very-redundant data? |
| 03:39.21 | ariacode | eXoDuS: that fw script won't log at all... but it doesn't block anything either. |
| 03:39.27 | eXoDuS | ariacode: ah |
| 03:39.47 | eXoDuS | ariacode: well im still getting 10kb :/ |
| 03:39.53 | ariacode | eXoDuS: shit, that should have been -o eth0 in the script. |
| 03:39.57 | stax | any real good programing engineers here |
| 03:39.58 | eXoDuS | ariacode: unless the old rules are still applied, would that script reset everything? |
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| 03:40.11 | ariacode | eXoDuS: no. |
| 03:40.11 | stax | not really anything to do with linux |
| 03:40.20 | ariacode | check out the flush script. |
| 03:40.29 | remmy_ | what does, "Qt's moc not found! if you have installed qt in an unusal place, please usse the "--with-qt-moc=" option" mean? |
| 03:40.30 | stax | anyone know anything about programming a psp |
| 03:40.43 | cheal | !anyone |
| 03:40.43 | dpkg | hmm... anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 03:40.48 | witless | FarrisG: time how long it takes to bzip2 100mb, 300mb, and 500mb files, draw a graph, and extrapolate :-) |
| 03:40.57 | ethics | shivraj: dmesg will tell you what hotplug did with it |
| 03:41.10 | stax | you don't need to be a jack ass about it |
| 03:41.26 | FarrisG | witless: Or, I'll just let it continue and seeth at the dump intern who caused this mess until it's done :) |
| 03:41.31 | caphuso | remmy_: it means you didn't install the qt development tools |
| 03:41.38 | FarrisG | s/dump/dumb |
| 03:41.41 | remmy_ | caphuso, how do i? |
| 03:41.43 | witless | FarrisG: seething helps pass the time :-) |
| 03:41.48 | yoshio | elkid: apt-cache show gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 03:42.14 | caphuso | remmy_: find out which package and install it |
| 03:42.15 | eXoDuS | ariacode: ran flash then dhcp and i still get 10kb only |
| 03:42.19 | caphuso | remmy_: /msg dpkg search |
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| 03:42.38 | eXoDuS | ariacode: err, flush rather :P |
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| 03:42.49 | ariacode | eXoDuS: well, nobody can say we didn't try ;) |
| 03:42.53 | mfrisch | iLLf8d yo you there? |
| 03:42.57 | eXoDuS | ariacode: damn :/ |
| 03:43.04 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: yeah whatsup? |
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| 03:43.47 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: I've had no time to work on the voip stuff I did getyur email tho |
| 03:43.47 | elkid | yoshio: oh ty bro |
| 03:43.53 | mfrisch | iLLf8d I should be up tomorrow |
| 03:44.13 | [Sess] | is anyone using a usb tablet with XFree86 4.5.0? |
| 03:44.34 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: I had to rebuild a kernel with a few chipsets support to do away with initrd so I could move a few offboard drives onto a mobo |
| 03:45.00 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: will be getting back into it soon tho |
| 03:45.02 | eXoDuS | damn this is so weird |
| 03:45.07 | ethics | [Sess] what debian version is that? |
| 03:45.13 | [Sess] | sarge |
| 03:45.21 | [Sess] | kernel 2.6.8 |
| 03:45.27 | [Sess] | custom built for my laptop |
| 03:45.31 | ethics | [Sess] what tablet? |
| 03:45.37 | mfrisch | iLLf8d cool be weary of unstable these days |
| 03:45.40 | [Sess] | graphire 1 usb |
| 03:46.00 | mborohovski | trave11er: ping |
| 03:46.04 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: oh yeah? I just installed 2 boxes the last few days ran into a kernel-package that was bad tho |
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| 03:46.18 | ethics | [Sess]: they work np....xfree85 config for all 4 inputs? |
| 03:46.25 | trave11er | mborohovski: pong |
| 03:46.32 | shivraj | ethics : I've never used dmesg, |
| 03:46.40 | eXoDuS | root_: don't be foool, don't irc as root |
| 03:46.50 | remmy_ | which qt packages is the main one? |
| 03:46.52 | shivraj | how do I know what device its on ? |
| 03:46.52 | iLLf8d | http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=geom&sektion=8&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+5.3-RELEASE+and+Portshttp://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=geom&sektion=8&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+5.3-RELEASE+and+Portshttp://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=geom&sektion=8&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+5.3-RELEASE+and+Ports SARGE RELEASED. | SID IS ONCE AGAIN LITERALLY UNSTABLE | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http: |
| 03:46.59 | iLLf8d | 18:58 < MsGeek> See y'all later. |
| 03:47.01 | iLLf8d | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.02 | [Sess] | ethics: I manually set up entries for the cursor, stylus, and eraser |
| 03:47.04 | iLLf8d | 18:58 < MsGeek> See y'all later. |
| 03:47.06 | iLLf8d | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.10 | iLLf8d | 18:58 < MsGeek> See y'all later. |
| 03:47.11 | mfrisch | iLLf8d it borked my postfix and gnome isn't complete...sure it will get better! |
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| 03:47.12 | iLLf8d | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:47.14 | mborohovski | trave11er: here's a question. technically, i can compile the kernel using '$ make dep modules modules_install bzImage' on knoppix, then just copy over the bzImage to my hdd right? |
| 03:47.17 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 03:47.19 | ethics | shivraj Dmesg for the 4th time 8) |
| 03:47.24 | [Sess] | ethics: they worked in xfree 4.3, but not 4.5 |
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| 03:47.52 | trave11er | mborohovski: yeah, it's probably possible. if you'll make it initrd-less |
| 03:48.05 | trave11er | mborohovski: what happened to the iso? |
| 03:48.13 | mborohovski | yeah, how do i make it initrd-less? |
| 03:48.17 | [Sess] | ethics: also, is there a way to autoconfigure it? |
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| 03:48.32 | mborohovski | nothing, im on 56k, and im downloading the kernel source (and was before then) so once thats done ill grab the iso lol |
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| 03:48.42 | trave11er | mborohovski: ah, ok |
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| 03:48.45 | paul__ | hello |
| 03:48.54 | SDFH_Linux | is there an easy way to compile your own kernel? |
| 03:49.12 | elkid | ? |
| 03:49.15 | narg | hrm, Anyone wanna play and gimme feedback on my ncurses game? |
| 03:49.17 | [Sess] | sdfh_linux: I make menuconfig'd the options, then used kernel-package |
| 03:49.19 | trave11er | mborohovski: you need to disable support for initrd, and compile in all the drivers which your hw requires to boot |
| 03:49.19 | [Sess] | real simple |
| 03:49.21 | mborohovski | trave11er: <mborohovski> yeah, how do i make it initrd-less? |
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| 03:49.33 | iLLf8d | sorry bout that ppls my mouse/irssi fucked up |
| 03:49.40 | iLLf8d | I dunno wtf that was |
| 03:49.41 | [Sess] | you just have to remember to add the initrd entry to grub.conf after you've dpkg -i'd the kernel image.dpkg |
| 03:49.41 | trave11er | mborohovski: support for initrd in "block devices" section |
| 03:49.46 | mborohovski | where do i disable support for initrd? |
| 03:49.50 | ugly | iLLf8d: use a recent version of irssi - it has paste protection |
| 03:49.50 | caphuso | iLLf8d: no worries |
| 03:49.51 | [Sess] | also before that run mkinird |
| 03:49.52 | mborohovski | ahh, k. |
| 03:49.53 | [Sess] | or it won't boot |
| 03:50.00 | trave11er | mborohovski: have you ever compiled a kernel? |
| 03:50.07 | paul__ | anyone know what is needed to install the drivers for nvidia video card.. |
| 03:50.09 | mborohovski | but for example my ethernet driver i can still compile in as a module right? |
| 03:50.14 | SDFH_Linux | is there a website with all of this [Sess]? |
| 03:50.19 | mborohovski | trave11er: plenty, but not since 2.4 |
| 03:50.20 | [Sess] | yes, there is! |
| 03:50.21 | ethics | !nvidia howto |
| 03:50.22 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody. |
| 03:50.25 | iLLf8d | I was even having trouble figuring out which channel to appologise in I ended up in different channel wierd bug |
| 03:50.30 | ugly | iLLf8d: -!- Irssi: Pasting 14 lines to #debian. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel. |
| 03:50.30 | trave11er | mborohovski: it is much better to master the skill of using kernel-package/make-kpkg |
| 03:50.44 | trave11er | mborohovski: just look through /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README |
| 03:50.49 | iLLf8d | ugly: yeah I have that it was a bug I never got the message |
| 03:50.57 | ugly | lies! |
| 03:50.58 | [Sess] | http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 03:51.03 | SDFH_Linux | ok thanks |
| 03:51.05 | iLLf8d | ugly: dude I'm serious |
| 03:51.10 | mborohovski | but i cant use that with knoppix can i? |
| 03:51.12 | trave11er | SDFH_Linux: you can also look at /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README |
| 03:51.13 | yoshio | remmy_: moc is the qt pre-processor, I guess the command is /usr/bin/moc-qt3 in the package qt3-dev-tools. what command gave you the error message? what are you trying to do? |
| 03:51.31 | [Sess] | sdfh_linux, I was never able to get fakeroot to work though |
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| 03:51.47 | remmy_ | yoshio, im trying to install qtella... when i run ./configure i get that error |
| 03:51.49 | [Sess] | if you just sudo make-kpkg it also works fine instead of fakeroot make-kpgk |
| 03:51.53 | iLLf8d | ugly: may have to do with this mouse seems the mouse cables going bad tho wierd that it'd effect the way irssi runs |
| 03:52.00 | trave11er | mborohovski: if you have your base system installed on hdd, you can just chroot into it. also, knoppix probably also have kernel-package |
| 03:52.16 | paul__ | thanks for the link for nvidia |
| 03:52.25 | heebie | Hi. I'm now running Debian! Wheee!!! =D I'm having trouble getting X to allow me to change resolution, though. Is Debian still using XFree86? (appears to be that & not xorg) |
| 03:52.41 | Guerin | heebie: topic |
| 03:52.45 | ethics | !drxx |
| 03:52.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 03:52.55 | paul__ | what is a better graphical interface for irc??? |
| 03:52.57 | shivraj | usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 2 |
| 03:52.57 | shivraj | usb 1-1: device not accepting address 2, error -71 |
| 03:52.57 | shivraj | usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 3 |
| 03:52.57 | shivraj | usb 1-1: device not accepting address 3, error -71 |
| 03:52.57 | shivraj | usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 4 |
| 03:52.57 | shivraj | usb 1-1: device not accepting address 4, error -71 |
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| 03:53.06 | diebels | can I use sarge installer to setup software raid? will the default kernel and initrd boot from raid? |
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| 03:53.13 | ethics | !better |
| 03:53.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 03:53.19 | shivraj | thats what I get from dmesg |
| 03:53.34 | elkid | lol |
| 03:53.57 | paul__ | dpkg i mean im using bitchx and i want a window rather then a command line |
| 03:54.00 | ethics | shivraj: you need a driver or something its not usbfs |
| 03:54.04 | mborohovski | trave11er: check pm |
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| 03:54.28 | paul__ | just downloaded this one and dont even know how to use it yet |
| 03:54.31 | ethics | paul__ xchat issri |
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| 03:54.38 | grim | anyone know of an apt mirror that has eclipse-platform 3.0.x? |
| 03:54.40 | ethics | ksirc |
| 03:54.47 | heebie | OK. I checked that..but still.. does anyone have any ideas about why I can't get XF86Config to allow me to use resolutions over 800x600? |
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| 03:55.00 | ethics | grim compile only |
| 03:55.02 | paul__ | thanks guys.. |
| 03:55.03 | shivraj | usbcore: registered new driver usbfs |
| 03:55.03 | shivraj | usbcore: registered new driver hub |
| 03:55.12 | paul__ | see you guys later.. |
| 03:55.18 | shivraj | thats there too |
| 03:55.22 | grim | ethics: theres no other way? |
| 03:55.30 | ethics | heebie: did you reconfigure? |
| 03:56.14 | heebie | I've tried to reconfigure.. but the changes don't take. |
| 03:56.20 | remmy_ | i guess i just need the qt libs? |
| 03:56.20 | remmy_ | what package are those/ |
| 03:56.21 | swim | does apt-get remove package , remove packages dependencies as well? |
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| 03:56.36 | ethics | grim: not that i found in a 10 hour search 8( |
| 03:56.39 | ethics | restart the dm.. |
| 03:56.46 | gteppel | I just got a new keyboard Logitech Multimedia Keyboard (corded), it has these functions keys (you press a key and all the F1-F12 keys become something else, however Debian doesn't recognize these new keys I'm not running X, just the terminal so how do I let debian know of these keys and how do i map them to things |
| 03:57.01 | yoshio | remmy_: I'm guessing you need to install qt3-dev-tools libqt3-mt-dev |
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| 03:57.23 | eXoDuS | root_: don't be foool, don't irc as root |
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| 03:57.30 | illume | herro |
| 03:57.34 | yoshio | remmy_: i just did "apt-cache search qt3-dev" |
| 03:57.40 | ethics | gteppel: hotkeys or the other package in apt-cache: searchg keyboard hehe |
| 03:57.56 | gteppel | ethics: okay thank you |
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| 03:58.23 | ethics | gteppel: np sorry it wasnt better news hehe |
| 03:58.34 | swim | does noone know? |
| 03:58.59 | paul__ | hello all |
| 03:59.07 | gteppel | in all honesty i just want to map them to the regular F1-F12 keys |
| 03:59.33 | diebels | I want to set up software raid1. Can i do that with sarge installer, and make it boot from raid only(is raid modules in default initrd)? |
| 03:59.41 | yoshio | swim: no, doesn't remove dependencies |
| 03:59.53 | swim | yoshio, is there an option to do so? |
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| 04:00.05 | jdhutchin1 | diebels, iirc you need to have at least /boot on a non-raid partition |
| 04:00.10 | illume | diebels, is there an option to do so? |
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| 04:00.28 | diebels | Ok |
| 04:01.04 | diebels | Have to do a work around then |
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| 04:02.46 | swim | i seeeeeeeee |
| 04:02.48 | yoshio | swim: no, doesn't seem to have an option for that. there is a package called "deborphan" that will tell you packages that have no other packages depending on them |
| 04:02.50 | HankH | anyone know any good backports of gcc-4.0 for debian stable/sarge ? |
| 04:02.51 | remmy_ | yoshia, nows its asking for headers .. ive already done apt-get install qt3-headers |
| 04:03.08 | swim | thank you yoshio |
| 04:03.10 | WhildGurl | can anone tell me what all these stand for? LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" combined %h = hour? |
| 04:04.01 | yoshio | remmy_: are you on woody? I don't have a qt3-headers package |
| 04:04.07 | Guerin | WhildGurl: httpd.apache.org/doc can |
| 04:04.08 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 04:04.12 | Supaplex | WhildGurl: yea, check the customlog directive on apache.org |
| 04:04.16 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 04:04.20 | WhildGurl | thanks |
| 04:04.21 | Supaplex | !ep |
| 04:04.21 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:04.22 | remmy_ | yoshio, now ive installed sarge and updated kernel |
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| 04:05.20 | jim | WhildGurl: what's it in? |
| 04:05.42 | yoshio | remmy_: do you have libqt3-headers |
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| 04:06.18 | remmy_ | yoshio, yes |
| 04:06.39 | yoshio | remmy_: paste the error |
| 04:06.40 | swim | yoshio, : "APT also takes care of removing packages which depend on the package you have asked to remove." |
| 04:07.24 | HankH | that sounds right |
| 04:07.42 | remmy_ | Qt libs not found! If you have installed Qt in an unusual place, please use the "--with-qt-libs=" option |
| 04:07.45 | remmy_ | is the latest one |
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| 04:07.49 | yoshio | swim: oh, I was thinking of the other way around |
| 04:07.53 | grim | ethics: fwiw, theres ubuntu packages for eclipse-platform 3.0.1 i'm going to see if any can manage to install it under sid.. |
| 04:07.54 | HankH | apt does not take care of packages that are depended on by the package you remove |
| 04:07.55 | apt | HankH: that's too long |
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| 04:08.16 | cddesjar | !ubuntu |
| 04:08.16 | dpkg | methinks ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 04:08.39 | grim | cddesjar: i'm aware... i need to double check dependencies to see if it's even possible.. |
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| 04:08.55 | cddesjar | ;) |
| 04:08.57 | yoshio | remmy_: apt-cache search libqt lists a few |
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| 04:09.52 | jim | HankH: and it shouldn't... what if you later install stuff that depends on some of thoes? |
| 04:10.03 | HankH | I knowit shouldn't |
| 04:10.20 | HankH | I didn't say it should.....but every once in a while you wish it could somehow |
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| 04:10.31 | yoshio | remmy_: do you have libqt3c102-mt installed? |
| 04:10.33 | jacko24 | hat is |
| 04:10.39 | illume | is there an option to do so? |
| 04:11.01 | remmy_ | yoshio yes |
| 04:11.04 | jim | HankH: what if you were to store a list of package names representing the packages it installed at any one time? |
| 04:11.19 | jacko24 | hi maybe someone else has had this problem. I am not able to download anything from gtk-gnut4ella or azureus. it says that i am connected but none of the connections start. any help? |
| 04:11.23 | HankH | thats actually what I do when I am in doubt... |
| 04:11.38 | HankH | but that can get a bit tricky if you install some other stuff after that |
| 04:11.39 | jim | then if you wanted to remove, you try removing everything in the list in one shot |
| 04:12.12 | jim | yes. but it will succeed in removing the ones that aren't depended upon by packages you're not also removing |
| 04:12.30 | jacko24 | it said it may be a nat problem |
| 04:12.34 | HankH | it's a little tricky for people who aren't used to it |
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| 04:12.56 | [Sess] | so does nobody have a success story getting a wacom tablet working under XFree 4.5? |
| 04:12.57 | jim | that will only come in time |
| 04:13.01 | HankH | now adays, I just never install anything I don't need (or do a really good job keeping track of what new packages do) |
| 04:13.15 | jim | [Sess]: try it yourself |
| 04:13.15 | Xuse | i dumped azureus, it has this god awful bug that affects firefox and it's really annoying. ;p |
| 04:13.23 | HankH | but actually....it is rare for extra packages to mess anything up |
| 04:13.29 | jim | [Sess]: then the success story will be yours |
| 04:13.30 | yoshio | remmy_: do you have libqt3-dev |
| 04:13.30 | HankH | it just annoys me |
| 04:13.31 | [Sess] | Jim: I wouldn't be asking if I hadn't already tried and failed |
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| 04:13.39 | jacko24 | Xuse do you know what it may be? |
| 04:13.40 | [Sess] | 4.3 worked fine, 4.5 nothing |
| 04:14.03 | Xuse | jacko24 are you using a firewall? |
| 04:14.07 | jim | [Sess]: history? in that case, well, you're not telling us information you know. /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 04:14.09 | jacko24 | yeah |
| 04:14.20 | Xuse | open the correct ports? |
| 04:14.28 | jacko24 | but i have used a firewal in the past and it was fine |
| 04:14.40 | jacko24 | maybe that is it |
| 04:14.47 | Guerin | [Sess]: nobody in here uses xfree 4.5, on acco8unt of 1) the fact it's not in debian; 2) the license change and 3) xorg |
| 04:14.48 | HankH | anyone know a good backport for gcc-4.0 for stable?? |
| 04:14.51 | jacko24 | but when i turn the firewall off it still doesn't connect |
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| 04:15.03 | jim | HankH: why do you need that? |
| 04:15.03 | Guerin | HankH: you really on't want to be doing that. |
| 04:15.15 | Xuse | jacko24 even with it off the settings are still in place. (in most firewalls anyway) |
| 04:15.20 | remmy_ | yoshio, it seems to be switching back and forth... when i ./configure its missing the libraries or the headers |
| 04:15.20 | [Sess] | guerin: xorg doesn't work with my r128 for dri and ogl hw support |
| 04:15.25 | Guerin | [Sess]: just move back to 4.3, then. |
| 04:15.28 | [Sess] | otherwise I would be using xorg |
| 04:15.36 | Guerin | [Sess]: riva128? |
| 04:15.42 | HankH | some new mythtv packages depend on gcc-4.0 |
| 04:15.43 | [Sess] | no ati rage 128 |
| 04:15.46 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:15.50 | lawnchair | can someone point me in the right direction for a sources.list for amd64 |
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| 04:15.58 | Guerin | i was going to say... i mean, it was a great card in ~1997 |
| 04:15.59 | jim | HankH: are they in stable? |
| 04:16.00 | jacko24 | but it is the same config file from when i used debian testing so why would it be any different |
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| 04:16.11 | HankH | jim: no |
| 04:16.11 | Guerin | !tell lawnchair about amd64 |
| 04:16.13 | Xuse | jacko24 what firewall are you using? |
| 04:16.18 | jacko24 | firehol |
| 04:16.20 | lawnchair | gracias |
| 04:16.21 | dabreegster | [Sess]: that card is so awesome, I have one |
| 04:16.35 | HankH | jim: there is only an unstable mythtv package site |
| 04:16.35 | Xuse | You should try firestarter. |
| 04:16.38 | jim | HankH: here's the thing... really, you can do -anything- you want... |
| 04:16.42 | [Sess] | dabreegster: Its actually an ati rage mobility m3 in my laptop |
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| 04:16.47 | HankH | jim : i know |
| 04:16.54 | Solet-deb | cp /location/* /newplace/* will move all contents of directory /location to directory /newplace including all subdirectories .files extentionless and readonly files right? |
| 04:16.57 | jacko24 | so you think it is the firewall then? |
| 04:17.04 | jim | but some combinations will make it very difficult for anyone to help you when you ask questions |
| 04:17.05 | [Sess] | took me 2 weeks to get dri working, required kernel compilation and upgrade to Xfree 4.5 |
| 04:17.06 | Xuse | It most definetly is. |
| 04:17.13 | naoliv | Hi. Do somebody knows what could be causing this message on /var/log/auth.log: "sshd[20154]: Excess permission or bad ownership on file /var/log/btmp". I know that this happens when a invalid user attempting to connect via SSH. The file is with permission 0664. |
| 04:17.26 | [Sess] | unfortunately in the move to 4.5 I lost my tablet, althought Xfree.0.log says its configured and detected |
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| 04:17.30 | jacko24 | ok so i will have to modify the configuration file somehow and then restart x is that it? |
| 04:17.31 | [Sess] | it just doesn't move the cursor |
| 04:17.32 | HankH | jim: but mythtv is updated so rarely, that usually you can get away with running testing and meeting all the requirements for mythtv unstable |
| 04:17.50 | swim | is there anyways to apt-get remove a package and the packages it depends upon that nothing else depends upon? |
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| 04:17.56 | [Sess] | so I assume the config has changed slightly, and I can't find any documentation specifically for the wacom that points to 4.5 |
| 04:17.58 | Xuse | jacko24 i would use firestarter it's really easy to open ports on it. |
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| 04:18.02 | Guerin | [Sess]: you could install two different versions side-by-side |
| 04:18.07 | [Sess] | all the docs are for 4.3 and xorg 6.7 |
| 04:18.07 | yoshio | remmy_: maybe http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18155.html |
| 04:18.18 | jacko24 | ok thanks |
| 04:18.19 | Guerin | [Sess]: that would fall under the category 'Advanced', however |
| 04:18.23 | [Sess] | guerin: I need dri and the tablet at the same time for maya |
| 04:18.25 | HankH | jim: but now testing = stable, and i guess mythtv people decided to start compiling stuff with gcc-4.0 immediately when it became available |
| 04:18.32 | Guerin | [Sess]: ah. |
| 04:18.35 | jim | swim: store a list of packages installed when you install, then remove all in that list when you want to remove them. |
| 04:18.45 | [Sess] | Its taken me about 2 weeks to get a perfect system build |
| 04:18.46 | nvz | does * and ! hold a different meaning in the password field of /etc/shadow? some things are * and others are ! |
| 04:18.54 | swim | jim there's got to be a better way then that |
| 04:19.04 | [Sess] | only thing is the upgrade to 4.5 killed my tablet which is just as important as the DRI support |
| 04:19.06 | jim | HankH: no... testing is not stable |
| 04:19.11 | HankH | swim: I do exactly what jim just said |
| 04:19.23 | jim | sarge is stable, etch is testing |
| 04:19.25 | swim | there still should be a better way |
| 04:19.31 | HankH | jim: at this very moment it is (figuratively) |
| 04:19.36 | jim | and sid is in a class all by himself |
| 04:19.38 | [Sess] | dri was a pain, but Im pretty sure the tablet config is something stupid and small, like a new option in X that activates a non core device or something |
| 04:19.42 | Guerin | swim: what you want is debfoster and/or deborphan |
| 04:19.53 | jim | HankH: but heading away very rapidly |
| 04:19.55 | [Sess] | Im looking through changelogs now, but nothing is even close to relavent so far |
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| 04:19.57 | swim | ok Ill lookinto thx Guerin |
| 04:19.58 | yoshio | naoliv: permissions on my /var/log/btmp is root.utmp |
| 04:20.04 | HankH | jim: we can only hope |
| 04:20.20 | HankH | jim: I am really looking forward to xorg |
| 04:20.35 | jim | HankH: that depends on branden |
| 04:21.00 | HankH | I almost gave ubuntu a try so I could have an xorg system :) |
| 04:21.05 | naoliv | yoshio: Mine too. Maybe the "excess permission" is because the /var/log/btmp is chmoded 0664? |
| 04:21.15 | jim | why do you need xorg? |
| 04:21.43 | yoshio | naoliv: mine is also chmod 0664 |
| 04:21.54 | HankH | i don't |
| 04:22.07 | HankH | jim: I just like trying new stuff every once in a while |
| 04:22.08 | remmy_ | yoshio, do you know any good gnutella programs? |
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| 04:22.24 | jim | HankH: nothing wrong with that |
| 04:22.28 | naoliv | yoshio: Strange... do you have the warnings that I said on /var/log/auth.log? |
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| 04:23.22 | HankH | only using "stable" stuff makes you a pussy, and always upgrading is just too much work |
| 04:23.43 | naoliv | yoshio: Doing a "chmod 0600" to /var/log/btmp seems to fix the problem. |
| 04:24.01 | jim | HankH: maybe you don't want your valuable data to disappear... does that make you a pussy? |
| 04:24.15 | nvz | does anyone know how to login with a user/password on a samba server from XP? I have setup users, but all I can figure out it guest access, as winxp never asks for a username/password |
| 04:24.40 | HankH | jim: yes ....but when it comes to important things, being a pussy is the smart thing to do |
| 04:24.42 | reamtS | how to setup distcc to compile over multiple computers? |
| 04:24.44 | jim | maybe you want a server to stay online for years at a time... would you be a pussy for that? |
| 04:24.52 | lawnchair | nvz, if you map a user drive you can login w/ a specific username + password |
| 04:24.58 | yoshio | naoliv: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=156900 has a temporary workaround |
| 04:25.02 | nvz | lawnchair: ah, cool |
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| 04:25.04 | HankH | I'm a pusy when it comes to linux at work |
| 04:25.08 | nvz | lawnchair: that will work fine |
| 04:25.14 | lawnchair | err map network drive i mean |
| 04:25.15 | lawnchair | werd |
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| 04:25.35 | yoshio | naoliv: no, no error like tthat in my logs |
| 04:25.39 | jim | I think pussy/not pussy is for how you interact with women |
| 04:25.56 | jim | has nothing to do with computers, and if it does, you don't have any life |
| 04:26.02 | lawnchair | heh |
| 04:26.05 | lawnchair | jim, you are so angry |
| 04:26.13 | HankH | any problems that happen at work no matter how little become an assload of work and criticism |
| 04:26.13 | jim | no I'm not :P |
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| 04:26.36 | yoshio | remmy_: never tried filesharing stuff |
| 04:26.42 | Solet-deb | is it possable to copy a file from ntfs to a linux capable fs? since ntfs is read only can it read from it and write the data elsewhere? |
| 04:26.52 | naoliv | yoshio: OK. Thanks! |
| 04:27.06 | jim | lawnchair: I'm just commenting... actually I'm quite calm |
| 04:27.10 | HankH | I try to keep my pussiness at just the right level |
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| 04:27.12 | lawnchair | heh ok |
| 04:27.31 | yoshio | remmy_: when using ./configure, it makes a cache file (use "ls -ltr" to see the latest file at the bottom), try removing the cache file and re-trying |
| 04:27.43 | jim | HankH: use your pussyness level to GF10W |
| 04:27.51 | HankH | hmm thats true.....I don't really have much of a life |
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| 04:29.00 | yoshio | remmy_: I've tried to compile SDL graphics programs before, and I had missing this or that. there are "#include "SDL.h" or something liek that, I had to change it to #include <SDL/SDL.h> or something similar |
| 04:29.15 | sigma957 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.15 | yoshio | remmy_: your qt problems might be like that |
| 04:29.42 | nvz | something else I wonder is there any way a samba user from windows can modify permissions in their home dir, so they can control which items are private and which are shared? every samba user is in the smbguest group. smbguest is the guest user that is used for sharing things with other users on my setup. I am sure the users will each have things that will be private, some that will be shared read-only and maybe even some things they want to sha |
| 04:29.59 | dabreegster | sigma957: tip: most IRC clients can handle something like / /msg dpkg blah and it'll say the / and stuff |
| 04:30.07 | yoshio | remmy_: the quotes mean look for that file in the current directory, and the brackets mean look in /usr/lib or /lib |
| 04:30.13 | dabreegster | /msg dpkg crypto in main |
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| 04:30.33 | nvz | afaik the only way is to allow them to login, which I currently have all samba user accounts disabled. they are valid only for samba, their home dirs are in /srv/samba/ |
| 04:30.49 | jim | HankH: so... find 10 women... and, erm, interact! |
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| 04:31.04 | jim | then find 10 more, repeat forever |
| 04:31.09 | HankH | haha |
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| 04:31.10 | sigma957 | sorry, l left an extra space in front |
| 04:31.21 | HankH | I'v had 1 date in the last 9 months |
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| 04:31.39 | dabreegster | sigma957: I learned that only yesterday. |
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| 04:32.34 | jim | go up to 100 women this weekend, say hi to each one, keep track of the number of women that don't say hi back or otherwise fail to respong |
| 04:32.36 | nvz | I guess I can just tell them to put things they want to share in /srv/samba/Guest/Upload/ which is writable and I will sort them out from there into the proper category under /srv/samba/Guest/ .. as I already have categorized shared data there I have offered |
| 04:32.36 | jim | d |
| 04:33.36 | badblody | how can i use fish:/ protocol in konqueror with public / private keys ? |
| 04:33.52 | jim | HankH: I'm telling ya, I bet you get 90% that talk to you, say hi back, don't get weird, etc |
| 04:33.56 | nvz | anyhow, I am going down for a moment while nobody is using the system. going to remove this 80gb hd since I am finished restoring stuff from it and dont need it anymore |
| 04:34.30 | jim | HankH: it's worth your time to find out. |
| 04:34.38 | HankH | jim: you might very well be right.. |
| 04:34.40 | Solet-deb | jim: you're gonna feel like crap if he gets like a 2% response and ends up in a mental institution.... |
| 04:34.53 | jim | Solet-deb: you try it too! |
| 04:35.04 | Solet-deb | jim... i'm through with women.... |
| 04:35.11 | Solet-deb | today = rough day |
| 04:35.11 | HankH | but another problem is the wierd awkwardness that arises when you realize it's not going to work out |
| 04:35.25 | HankH | I hate telling some girl I'm not really into her |
| 04:35.25 | jim | Solet-deb: in your case, you'll only get a 50% response... :) |
| 04:35.30 | HankH | more than getting rejected |
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| 04:35.50 | Tecky | Is there a way I could get a module for a FastTrack TX2200 ? or to have it built into a iso ??? |
| 04:35.57 | HankH | in fact at this very moment I am avoidingthe girl I went out with after 9 months of nothing |
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| 04:36.13 | jim | HankH: and avoiding all others too?! |
| 04:36.21 | mosty | hankh: chicken |
| 04:36.26 | HankH | <--pussy |
| 04:36.34 | jim | well... yeah! |
| 04:36.40 | mosty | according to back to the future, you should have retaliated by now :P |
| 04:36.42 | jim | umm, go get some! |
| 04:36.46 | HankH | I don't like hurting peoples feelings |
| 04:37.01 | jim | this is only saying HI |
| 04:37.08 | jim | but to 100 women |
| 04:37.22 | HankH | you know what....I'll go do that right now |
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| 04:37.30 | jim | in PERSON tho. |
| 04:37.34 | HankH | well not 100.... |
| 04:37.47 | HankH | not sure Ithere are even 100 girls at the super market right now |
| 04:37.53 | jim | 100 might take you a few days |
| 04:37.54 | HankH | but I'll try to do 1 or 2 jim |
| 04:37.57 | Solet-deb | HankH: just dont carry your check list visibly.... saying hi, getting "hi" back and then making a check in the "yes" column fucks your chances of getting a number if she thinks you're cute... |
| 04:38.10 | enola | Can somebody help me with drupal |
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| 04:38.23 | jim | getting a number is more advanced than just saying hi :P |
| 04:38.23 | Tecky | Is there a way I could get a module for a Promise FastTrack TX2200 ???? or to have it built into a iso ??? |
| 04:38.42 | Solet-deb | jim: sry... i normally dont ask... i just get em... |
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| 04:38.45 | HankH | I don't even ask for numbers |
| 04:38.45 | jim | then you have to worry about whether she will flake :) |
| 04:38.58 | jasoncohen | i was wondering why on my sarge system my wired lan is started with auto eth0 and on my etch system it's started with hotplug - map eth0 |
| 04:39.02 | jasoncohen | why the difference? |
| 04:39.04 | jim | Solet-deb: then those will likely not be flakes for you |
| 04:39.12 | Solet-deb | i put em in a box... the box is getting full i've been collecting since freshmen year |
| 04:39.20 | jim | dude... |
| 04:39.21 | HankH | I never got a fake number....and I would be so sad if some girl gave me a fake one....so I only give mine out and ten ceck caller id |
| 04:39.38 | jim | you have to call those girls... in like 2 days after gettign them |
| 04:39.52 | Solet-deb | i wasnt interested in them... |
| 04:39.53 | jim | well if you like them |
| 04:40.08 | enola | Can somebody help me with drupal installation (apache and php configuration problems) |
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| 04:40.28 | HankH | ok I'll be back in like 30-40 minutes |
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| 04:40.55 | mosty | enola, be more specific |
| 04:40.56 | HankH | off to get some food and say hi to 1<= girls <= 10 |
| 04:40.56 | Solet-deb | enola: prolly #drupal , or #apache can help you better... if not on freenode... definitly on efnet |
| 04:40.58 | jim | or not :) |
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| 04:41.28 | jim | 10..30 :P |
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| 04:41.47 | enola | Solet-deb: Thanks will try |
| 04:42.01 | gin_ | i have a trouble with alsaplayer |
| 04:42.59 | jim | they help people on efnet? |
| 04:43.03 | Solet-deb | damn... cp takes a long ass time to copy 10 gig from one 7200rpm hd to another of same speed on an athlon64.... :( |
| 04:43.12 | Solet-deb | jim: sorta |
| 04:44.57 | gin_ | i can't execute alsaplayer as root .. show me this error |
| 04:45.06 | gin_ | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 04:45.06 | gin_ | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 04:45.40 | valdyn | gin_: use sux or sudo to become root |
| 04:45.49 | jim | gin_, X won't let you open windows except as the user that ran the server or logged in with *dm |
| 04:45.50 | Solet-deb | gin_: just a guess... i'd say its not configed in root... cause its trying to talk to a devise that doesnt exist... |
| 04:46.23 | yoshio | gin_: as your regular login, type "ssh -X root@localhost", then you can run any X program as root |
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| 04:47.07 | jim | you'll need xauth for that, which is in xbase-clients |
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| 04:47.57 | Solet-deb | is there a command that will show the combined size of all files in a directory (recursive ofcourse) |
| 04:48.21 | valdyn | Solet-deb: du |
| 04:48.55 | gin_ | yoshio, 30 min ago i was configured alsa and setting up my SB Live! was.. working good and i reboot and now i can't listen music anymore.. |
| 04:48.57 | Solet-deb | oh crap thats showing each file's size.... |
| 04:49.28 | valdyn | Solet-deb: du --help |
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| 04:49.48 | jim | gin_: how did you log in after reboot? |
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| 04:50.44 | Solet-deb | valdyn... read man page... guessing du -c -h -s /directorynamehere/ is what i want? |
| 04:51.02 | smoked1 | What are the contrib packages and how do I get them added to my sources.list file? |
| 04:51.06 | ethics | member of audio maybee if the modules are laoded if not then modconf not setup right |
| 04:51.18 | swim | Guerin, so does debfoster work without being called? |
| 04:51.30 | ethics | smoked1 add contrib to the end of the source.list lines.. |
| 04:51.32 | yoshio | gin_: did you make sure alsamixer was not muted? |
| 04:51.34 | gin_ | jim with the same user and kde, too.. |
| 04:51.36 | valdyn | Solet-deb: just 'du -hs' |
| 04:51.51 | jim | gin_: you just said as root |
| 04:52.11 | valdyn | Solet-deb: -c seems to be on by default in this 'du' |
| 04:52.14 | jim | what did you log into? |
| 04:52.36 | Solet-deb | is there a command for doing basic math calculations at console? |
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| 04:52.41 | smoked1 | so "deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main" would change to deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib? |
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| 04:53.00 | gin_ | jim, root console |
| 04:53.09 | gin_ | jim, user kde |
| 04:53.10 | valdyn | Solet-deb: echo $((3+4)) |
| 04:53.12 | yoshio | gin_: on every boot, the mixer is auto muted, unless you have something that saves the levels |
| 04:53.46 | gin_ | yoshio, the master alsamixer got a green square |
| 04:53.52 | yoshio | solet_deb: bc or dc |
| 04:53.53 | gin_ | that its in silence ? |
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| 04:53.59 | hxizan | a |
| 04:54.12 | jim | what did you log into? |
| 04:54.19 | craigevil | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 04:54.31 | craigevil | or ftp |
| 04:54.32 | gin_ | jim, what u mean with, log into ? |
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| 04:54.49 | Solet-deb | it doesnt do decimals :( |
| 04:54.57 | jim | gin_: when you typed in your name, what did you type it into/ |
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| 04:55.36 | yoshio | gin_: is the PCM level up? did you say only mp3's don't work, and something else works? |
| 04:55.47 | craigevil | bc does decimals |
| 04:56.07 | EvilSporkMan | ok so i trashed my system by deleting most of /dev, and i booted a rescue CD and ran MAKEDEV generic. it complained about not knowing what alsa and nvidia and devfs are...i thought debian didn't have devfs by default, but they must've thrown it into AMD64 (dmesg shows an initialization line and boot options: 0x0). How do I make everything go back to normal? |
| 04:56.40 | gin_ | yoshio, now nothing work's gaim either |
| 04:56.41 | Solet-deb | craigevil: try 1/2 in bc... it gives 0 |
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| 04:56.46 | craigevil | 3.6*3 |
| 04:56.46 | craigevil | 10.8 |
| 04:56.48 | jim | EvilSporkMan: you need a magic crystal for that |
| 04:56.52 | gin_ | i mean sounds on it |
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| 04:57.05 | craigevil | use the actual decimal point |
| 04:57.20 | gin_ | but SB Live its installed on alsa |
| 04:57.21 | Netsnipe | EvilSporkMan: reinstall alsa-base and the nvidia driver package |
| 04:57.34 | jim | gin_: when you typed in your name, what did you type it into/ |
| 04:57.40 | EvilSporkMan | Netsnipe: is that nvidia-glx? |
| 04:57.50 | yoshio | gin_: so master volume, PCM and speaker are all up and not muted? |
| 04:57.52 | craigevil | your right it will only use a decimanl point in numbers .than 1 |
| 04:57.54 | gin_ | i guess that its in silence coz have a green square but i dunnot how take it off |
| 04:57.58 | craigevil | >1 |
| 04:58.01 | Solet-deb | 1.0/2.0 still = 0 :( |
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| 04:58.03 | EvilSporkMan | and won't all the MAKEDEV stuff I did screw things up? =\ |
| 04:58.04 | jim | (you're not easy to help when you don't respond -quickly-) |
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| 04:58.16 | gin_ | yoshio i guess that its in silence coz have a green square but i dunnot how take it off |
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| 04:58.23 | Solet-deb | ah ok i see ya now |
| 04:58.33 | Netsnipe | EvilSporkMan: nvidia-kernel-$(verison) |
| 04:58.37 | gin_ | jim, i dunno what u meant with: type in to.. |
| 04:58.42 | EvilSporkMan | Netsnipe: ah, thanks |
| 04:58.42 | gin_ | i only put my user |
| 04:58.42 | Netsnipe | EvilSporkMan: and you might want to reinstall udev |
| 04:58.53 | jim | what is "type"? |
| 04:58.55 | Netsnipe | EvilSporkMan: I don't remember amd64 using devfs |
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| 04:58.58 | Jamsi | I have a server running " 2.4.27-1-686" with squid, sendmail, ssh and kaspersky anti-virus ... would upgrading libc6 (apt-get wants me to) break anything? |
| 04:59.13 | jim | gin: what is your first/native language? |
| 04:59.14 | Netsnipe | EvilSporkMan: can't you reboot the system at all right now? |
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| 04:59.20 | yoshio | gin_: the text mode alsamixer looks weird, I like the gui better for that, I'm using gnome-volume-control |
| 04:59.26 | gin_ | jim, mx |
| 04:59.26 | jim | gin_: into what? |
| 04:59.37 | Solet-deb | if i want a dual boot system and i want to use grub instead of xp's boot manager which os do i install first? sarge or xp? |
| 04:59.54 | craigevil | xp then srage |
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| 05:00.04 | craigevil | sarge |
| 05:00.04 | gin_ | yoshio wait i'll login session to gnome |
| 05:00.09 | gin_ | brb |
| 05:00.15 | jim | we're having fairly severe communication problems here... |
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| 05:01.16 | jim | gin_: /msg dpkg es |
| 05:01.18 | EvilSporkMan | Netsnipe: I couldn't until I booted a rescue CD and ran MAKEDEV |
| 05:01.20 | ethics | jamsi: potentially yes...id be tryint to avoid that |
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| 05:01.25 | EvilSporkMan | Netsnipe: and I never installed udev |
| 05:01.30 | Solet-deb | craigevil: any other suggestions on dualboot before i start? |
| 05:01.31 | jim | that might help you more than I can |
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| 05:01.49 | Jamsi | ethics, new versions of vim, perl, nmap, wget etc all requrie this new libc6 to upgrade .. should I not worry? |
| 05:01.59 | EvilSporkMan | Netsnipe: reinstalling the nvidia-kernel package seems to have worked - startx works now =D |
| 05:02.09 | Netsnipe | EvilSporkMan: you're welcome |
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| 05:02.23 | EvilSporkMan | Netsnipe: yes, thanks |
| 05:02.35 | jim | Jamsi: new libc? where is this libc coming from? |
| 05:02.39 | zomtec | greetz |
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| 05:02.49 | jim | sleetz |
| 05:02.56 | zomtec | searching for the source code of the debian sarge kernel image |
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| 05:03.04 | zomtec | whats the package name? |
| 05:03.05 | Jamsi | jim, just doing a apt-get install squid for example |
| 05:03.22 | jim | Jamsi: what debian version are you running now? |
| 05:03.26 | zomtec | dont find with apt-cache |
| 05:03.42 | jim | zomtec: kernel-source-<version> |
| 05:03.42 | Jamsi | woody, 3.0 |
| 05:03.49 | zomtec | thanx |
| 05:03.49 | sparr_ | looks safe... Has anyone here seen both versions (IMAX and Widescreen) of Batman Begins? Which one is cropped [more]? |
| 05:03.50 | craigevil | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers.php?action=viewarticle&artid=121 |
| 05:03.58 | jim | Jamsi: want to upgrade to sarge first? |
| 05:03.58 | enola | I have a debian apache doubt, Does it suffice if php4.conf is in conf.d/ of apace2 |
| 05:04.06 | Jamsi | jim, not really. |
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| 05:04.20 | jim | what kernel are you intending to run? |
| 05:04.36 | enola | Because it doenst seem to recognise the phtml file |
| 05:04.38 | Jamsi | its running 2.4.27-1-686 |
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| 05:04.46 | Jamsi | I don't want to upgrade the kernel if possible, |
| 05:04.59 | jim | what debian version is the squid from? |
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| 05:05.31 | Jamsi | Squid Cache: Version 2.4.STABLE6 |
| 05:05.37 | Jamsi | 3.0 |
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| 05:06.05 | ethics | gstreamer sucks 8(.... |
| 05:06.22 | jim | Jamsi: why is it trying to upgrade your libc version? |
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| 05:06.23 | ethics | gstreamer having to hack the conf file to make it work with alsa right |
| 05:06.38 | wolaopa | any debian package for dynamic dns? |
| 05:06.41 | Jamsi | jim, this is what Im trying to work out. Apt-get install wget wants libc6 |
| 05:06.55 | ethics | Jamsi: do you have stable in sources or woody? |
| 05:07.00 | exobyte | can I get QOS support from a stripped down kernel with JUST modules? |
| 05:07.03 | Jamsi | stable |
| 05:07.09 | wolaopa | the server and client program. |
| 05:07.09 | jim | that explains it |
| 05:07.32 | jim | Jamsi: woody is no longer the -latest- stable |
| 05:07.36 | Jamsi | I have seen this on another box too. I wanted to upgrade something simple like apache and bang, 100 other packeges need upgrading too. |
| 05:07.46 | Jamsi | ah |
| 05:07.48 | ethics | jamsi ahh thats why: stable is actually sarge now.....change it to woody or sarge which ever way you want to go...if you want to go to sarge theres a factoid somewhere |
| 05:07.49 | jim | if you want to stay with woody, replace "stable" with "woody" |
| 05:07.58 | Jamsi | ahhh |
| 05:08.18 | wols | exobyte: it depends on what you strip. if you compile the relevant netfilter modules, then yes |
| 05:08.36 | jim | but... sarge is the latest stable now; its 2.4 kernel is .27 I think |
| 05:08.44 | hejux | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.56 | exobyte | wols: hmm |
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| 05:09.04 | Jamsi | So just replace the word stable with woody in the sources.list ? |
| 05:09.10 | jim | yes |
| 05:09.15 | exobyte | wols: it's on a consumer grade adsl router.. I wonder.. |
| 05:09.15 | jim | then apt-get update |
| 05:09.23 | Jamsi | awesome guys. Thanks very much. Much appreciated. |
| 05:09.26 | wols | exobyte: you will also need a few userland programs like iptables, tc and such of coursee to manage and set up the QoS |
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| 05:09.41 | wols | exobyte: WRT54G? |
| 05:09.42 | exobyte | wols: no |
| 05:09.45 | ethics | Jamsi yup |
| 05:09.55 | wols | exobyte: which other router uses linux? |
| 05:10.01 | Jamsi | thats better. now my packages don't all need updating :P |
| 05:10.20 | exobyte | wols: I have one, but I wanted adsl built in. actually, it made my upstream 384, so it's almost like sdsl. netger dg834 |
| 05:10.21 | wolaopa | any debian package for dynamic dns server and client? |
| 05:10.29 | jim | just a page full of netsplit makes the user count go down, the user count go down, the user count go down... |
| 05:10.39 | ethics | !prize jamsi |
| 05:10.43 | wols | exobyte: what do you mean "adsl built in"? |
| 05:10.45 | Jamsi | :) |
| 05:10.47 | jasoncohen | anyone know why mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-3 requires libgcc4.0.0-7 rather than libgcc3.4.3-1. gcc 4 has RC bugs which will stop mozilla-firefox from passing to testing. 1.0.4-2 was built against 3.4.3 |
| 05:10.51 | exobyte | wols: I've dumped wrt binaries on it, so I can get tc, and it has iptables |
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| 05:11.08 | craigevil | "Download Managers http://www.flashgot.net/features#dms |
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| 05:11.19 | exobyte | wols: there's an adsl port on the thing- I plug it into my phone jack- one unit |
| 05:11.33 | ethics | jasoncohen: unstable is moving to gcc4 atm too i think... |
| 05:12.01 | ethics | jasoncohen: the testing version is still 3.X |
| 05:12.12 | ethics | jasoncohen: its 1.0.3 with security backports |
| 05:12.23 | jim | so all three dists are diverging wider and wider |
| 05:13.09 | jasoncohen | so, mozilla-firefox won't go into testing until gcc 4 does? |
| 05:13.23 | jasoncohen | well, at least new versions |
| 05:13.45 | craigevil | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050517 Firefox/1.0.4 (Debian package 1.0.4-2) |
| 05:13.49 | exobyte | wols: so I'll need to look at the kernel config file, assuming they provide it |
| 05:13.55 | ethics | jim: not really.....unstable is getting xorg/gcc4 and gnome 2.10 atm.....testing will get ot once it works hehe etch will be away from sarge as soon as any of those 3 change |
| 05:14.05 | jasoncohen | craigevil, yeah, 1.0.4-3 is built against libgcc4.0 |
| 05:14.44 | jim | I thought gnome 2.10 was unbuildable |
| 05:14.47 | jasoncohen | ethics, how long do you think it'll take to fix? |
| 05:14.59 | jasoncohen | jim, it works fine even on testing. i installed it on etch and i'm using it now |
| 05:15.05 | jasoncohen | it's the first gnome i would touch |
| 05:15.11 | Theoden | Anyone know a good program for assembling multipart files? |
| 05:15.20 | jim | you would touch a gnome?! |
| 05:15.32 | craigevil | smelly little things |
| 05:15.33 | ethics | jim: no it runs on sid atm with some hacking...but its not testing level yet |
| 05:15.34 | jasoncohen | lol |
| 05:15.45 | jasoncohen | ethics, hacking? it works perfectly here |
| 05:15.49 | jim | Theoden: cat |
| 05:16.05 | ethics | jim: most of the better sid users have managed to get working versions from what they have been able to get so far |
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| 05:16.27 | Theoden | jim: I tried that - but it didn't assemble my split avi files. |
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| 05:16.31 | jasoncohen | ethics, i thought the problem before was that only part of gnome 2.10 was in unstable |
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| 05:16.53 | ethics | jim: its probably going to release the same time as gcc4....xorg may take longer from the way im understanding the lists.. |
| 05:16.56 | jasoncohen | ethics, i did an apt-get install -t unstable gnome a day after gnome and gnome-core entered unstable and everything was fine |
| 05:17.03 | bob2 | jim: obviously it builds fine, it's been in experimental for a while |
| 05:17.05 | jim | "better sid user" is one who can find and fix problems in any scripting or programming language, AND does so and files the patch in the bug report |
| 05:17.49 | craigevil | i use sid because of the pretty colors |
| 05:17.59 | jim | if we can get more "better sid users" by THAT definition, etch will release sooner |
| 05:18.00 | ethics | Theoden what codec is it? |
| 05:18.22 | gullyfoyle | can you all forgive me? i was a long time (5+ years) mandrake user who finally saw thelight and realized that debian is the way to go. |
| 05:18.32 | ethics | jim: somewhat...most of the time they have ubuntu and debian to look at tho. |
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| 05:18.59 | jim | gullyfoyle: so what do you want to do now? |
| 05:19.32 | gullyfoyle | i used to think that urpmi rocked |
| 05:19.47 | jasoncohen | ethics, so, what problems have sid users been having with gnome 2.10? |
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| 05:20.26 | gullyfoyle | my freebsd ports sysytem was cool |
| 05:20.43 | gullyfoyle | gentooo emerge was the bomb |
| 05:20.43 | jim | gullyfoyle: so what do you want to do now? |
| 05:20.51 | ethics | jasoncohen: mostly i think it was gnome panel stuff.... |
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| 05:21.34 | jasoncohen | ethics, what exactly was the problem? |
| 05:21.41 | craigevil | there r a couple of package like 'sketch' that won't load |
| 05:21.53 | jim | sketch is on etch? |
| 05:21.56 | gullyfoyle | but if i had to choose a distro to load on my mom's puter, it would be debian-based |
| 05:22.09 | Theoden | jim / ethics: Got it to work - thanks. ethics - it \ was a .avi file. |
| 05:22.15 | craigevil | it is on the gnome -graphics |
| 05:22.32 | jasoncohen | gullyfoyle, why? |
| 05:22.33 | craigevil | and it lists as uninstallable with apt |
| 05:22.36 | jim | gullyfoyle: we won't support debian-based dists here |
| 05:22.54 | gullyfoyle | omigod |
| 05:23.27 | gullyfoyle | dont say that |
| 05:23.34 | jim | not even a little bit |
| 05:23.38 | jasoncohen | gullyfoyle, jim means that #debian only supports debian- not other debian based distros like knoppix or ubuntu. the problems could be distro related |
| 05:23.39 | jim | debian only |
| 05:23.44 | gullyfoyle | im krushed |
| 05:23.55 | jasoncohen | what did you expect? |
| 05:24.07 | jim | it's not scalable |
| 05:24.11 | gullyfoyle | lol whaddaya take me for, a newb? |
| 05:24.23 | jim | as it is, the channel doesn't scale well |
| 05:24.29 | ethics | dont be most of the time there are people in both channels.... |
| 05:24.52 | jim | gullyfoyle: well, you weren't listening before, so yes, I did assume that |
| 05:24.58 | craigevil | Don't ask questions about other distributions or operating systems (this includes Knoppix and Ubuntu; Knoppix and Ubuntu are not Debian, and we cannot support them). |
| 05:25.29 | jim | he hasn't actually asked such a question yet... |
| 05:25.37 | jim | he's just testing the waters so far |
| 05:25.37 | craigevil | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PoundDebianGuidelines |
| 05:25.47 | gullyfoyle | i just wanted to express my appreciation for my newly installed distro, sarge, on my newly installed 120GB SATA Seagate drive |
| 05:25.58 | gullyfoyle | you guys rock |
| 05:25.59 | peterS | gullyfoyle: installation went smoothly? |
| 05:26.02 | jim | gullyfoyle: sata? what driver? |
| 05:26.06 | jim | what kernel? |
| 05:26.08 | gullyfoyle | like buttah |
| 05:26.14 | peterS | coolness |
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| 05:26.30 | bucky | gullyfoyle, we want to chat with your mom.. |
| 05:26.42 | gullyfoyle | my mom could kick your ass |
| 05:26.43 | HankH | ok so not alot of single-looking girls in my age range at the grocery store at 10pm |
| 05:27.01 | lawnchair | HankH, you gotta go to the whole foods |
| 05:27.04 | HankH | I only talked to 1 (the cashier) |
| 05:27.05 | lawnchair | that's where it's at |
| 05:27.07 | jim | how old are you? |
| 05:27.08 | jasoncohen | HankH, how does one look single other than being alone or a loser? |
| 05:27.14 | ethics | jasoncohen: sorry mirc sucks green colors.....im not sure of the fine details, bob2 may but as far as i know the gnome panel wouldnt install due to a unmeetable dependancy at first |
| 05:27.21 | karsten | HankH: You forgot to check out 'round back by the loading bay. |
| 05:27.21 | jim | HankH: 99 left to go :P |
| 05:27.22 | HankH | single-looking = not with a guy |
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| 05:27.26 | gullyfoyle | jim, i dunno, gime a command to locate the driver |
| 05:27.40 | karsten | HankH: Never underestimate the prevalence of fag hags. |
| 05:27.43 | jasoncohen | ethics, ah- i waited until all those problems were hased out before installing |
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| 05:27.48 | jim | gullyfoyle: lsmod (but don't paste it on channel! :) |
| 05:27.57 | gullyfoyle | :) |
| 05:28.01 | karsten | HankH: Could be he's just out on his boyfriend.... |
| 05:28.07 | jasoncohen | ethics, i installed on the 15th i believe |
| 05:29.04 | jasoncohen | doesn't the 2.6.8 kernel in sarge support most SATA drives? you guys seem surprised it worked |
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| 05:29.40 | ethics | jasoncohen: if it works ...smile be observant of new upgrades ass GCC may kill sid if you load stuff to early 8) |
| 05:29.50 | peterS | jasoncohen: it should support most SATA drives, but we hear about all kinds of difficulties with people doing SATA on debian |
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| 05:30.16 | jasoncohen | peterS, is it just debian or SATA on linux? |
| 05:30.18 | peterS | jasoncohen: recent history with linux kernels and 'discover' and debian-installer suggests that SATA is only something to be taken for granted *very* recently |
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| 05:30.45 | peterS | jasoncohen: 'discover' did not know about SATA modules until less than a year ago. I tried to hack support in but I'm not a discover maintainer so someone else had to actually apply the patch |
| 05:30.49 | jasoncohen | i still use IDE drives and a promise IDE controller so i can fit up to 6 drives and it just works |
| 05:31.25 | peterS | I've theoretically got SATA on my motherboard but I don't use it |
| 05:31.36 | nvz | heh |
| 05:31.49 | peterS | maybe next time I buy a hard drive. but I've got a 120 GB drive in now so it'll take a long time before I need more space than that |
| 05:31.58 | nvz | theoretically eh? |
| 05:31.59 | jasoncohen | ethics, i missed the last part of your post. GCC may kill sid or new upgrades may kill sid if you upgrade too early? |
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| 05:32.18 | peterS | nvz: when I bought the motherboard a year ago, the kernel didn't have a driver for the sata chip. I haven't checked to see if it does yet |
| 05:32.30 | peterS | nvz: not a priority since I don't have drives (: |
| 05:32.42 | jasoncohen | peterS, heh, 120GB...let's see my LVM is up to 440 GB and i have another 100 GB for /, /home and an NTFS partition |
| 05:32.44 | gullyfoyle | jim, pasted in #flood |
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| 05:33.08 | ethics | jasoncohen: if they are gcc4 ing the libc which is the centre of the universe will change.... |
| 05:33.20 | jim | gullyfoyle: I'm not in #flood... try rafb.net/paste |
| 05:33.25 | jasoncohen | ethics, heh, lucky for me i run etch |
| 05:33.36 | ethics | jasoncohen: any upgrade touching libc is very very scarey |
| 05:33.51 | ethics | jasoncohen: cool then you should be ok... |
| 05:33.53 | jasoncohen | ethics, i just take from sid when i want a package and have checked to make sure their aren't any major problems |
| 05:33.55 | Xuse | Having a bigger harddrive is nothing to brag about. |
| 05:34.04 | lawnchair | having a bigger dick is |
| 05:34.08 | ethics | jasoncohen: keep an eye out for them tho hehe itll get to etch sometime |
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| 05:34.50 | jasoncohen | ethics, hopefully by that time it'll be stable |
| 05:35.08 | jasoncohen | Xuse, not bragging...i just need a lot of HD space for mythtv |
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| 05:35.13 | jasoncohen | and my movie collection |
| 05:35.33 | ethics | jasoncohen: most of the stat issues revolve around IDE/SATA driver clashes and hwinfo code not finding bizarre variations ...IE my chipset is on 4 different brand boards all of them have different vendor IDs device IDs etc but hwinfo cant tell the drivers work tho if you hold your mouth right |
| 05:35.34 | peterS | nvz: the other reason I said "theoretically" is that I'm not even sure of the SATA situation of my motherboard. lspci shows the usual VIA IDE chip, which I'm using, but no mention of a separate chip for SATA |
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| 05:35.35 | Xuse | I have lot's of movies and music, but i burn most to dvd anyway. |
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| 05:35.46 | ethics | kernel built sata and ide is a pretty good fix |
| 05:35.53 | JeffH | How can I train spamassassin that an e-mail it thinks is spam isn't really spam. |
| 05:35.55 | JeffH | ? |
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| 05:36.10 | HansZ | #gentoo |
| 05:36.14 | bucky | peterS, prolly a VT8237 |
| 05:36.15 | HansZ | oop |
| 05:36.17 | HansZ | ss |
| 05:36.17 | dondelelcaro | JeffH: spamassassin --ham foomessage |
| 05:36.18 | jm_ | JeffH: tried man sa-learn? |
| 05:36.32 | gullyfoyle | jim, otay there it is |
| 05:36.35 | peterS | bucky: yes, it is. does that include sata functionality, then? I thought the SATA interfaces would be on a separate PCI ID |
| 05:36.42 | ethics | jasoncohen: doubtfull etch is expected to have gcc4,xorg,kde3.4+ Gnome 2.1+ |
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| 05:36.43 | nvz | heh --ham |
| 05:36.54 | JeffH | jm: nope,, didn't know about it.. but I will now.. thanks. |
| 05:37.00 | ethics | jasoncohen: but it could be months/years |
| 05:37.22 | ethics | ok im off for a little llocation change |
| 05:37.46 | jim | gullyfoyle: what url did it use? |
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| 05:37.50 | bucky | peterS, you're right VT6420 SATA RAID Controller |
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| 05:38.24 | peterS | bucky: perhaps sata is disabled in my bios, or automatically disabled somehow because there are no devices on it. I reboot so infrequently that I can't easily check |
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| 05:38.32 | gullyfoyle | http://rafb.net/paste/results/zfPHkd31.html |
| 05:38.43 | jasoncohen | Xuse, yeah, most of the space is used by mythtv which is using about 180 GB now |
| 05:38.44 | peterS | bucky: the auto-disable thing seems unlikely because sata does support hotplug - what if I was planning to plug in a drive later? |
| 05:38.58 | gin_ | jim, i know the error with alsa.. i no have permission's to lib by that i can hear sounds |
| 05:39.07 | jasoncohen | Xuse, 3 GB/hr on my pvr-250 MCE - default is 2.2 but i wanted higher quality video |
| 05:39.29 | bucky | if you don't see it in lspci then it must be disabled in my bios |
| 05:39.59 | jm_ | you have control of his devices in your BIOS? :) |
| 05:41.13 | nvz | there are 3 packages on marillat for mplayer -386,586,k6 which would be best for my Athlon XP ? |
| 05:41.21 | peterS | bucky: that's my thought. I'll try to remember to check next time my system reboots, which tends to be during electrical storms |
| 05:41.30 | peterS | nvz: k6 |
| 05:42.11 | gin_ | jim, are u there ? |
| 05:42.15 | peterS | nvz: but I'm surprised marillat doesn't offer generic 686 |
| 05:42.18 | nvz | might as well watch some movies, since my brother is being stingy with the GTA-SA for Xbox |
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| 05:42.20 | jim | gin_: more or less |
| 05:42.26 | sussudio | http://img228.echo.cx/img228/2955/kitteh3ze.jpg |
| 05:42.33 | nvz | he said if I gave him $50 I could have it |
| 05:42.45 | gullyfoyle | jeez i join the debian channel to express my appreciation for a job well done and i get the 3rd degree |
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| 05:43.51 | jim | gullyfoyle: well thanks... |
| 05:43.57 | peterS | gullyfoyle: sorry about that, on behalf of the whole channel. I think people are just surprised that it *did* go that smoothly for you (: |
| 05:44.02 | nvz | I use mplayer cause I have an S3 ProSuckage, and from my experiences the only way to get fullscreen video with a/v sync is to use mplayer with svgalib or such and sometimes some other trickery |
| 05:44.05 | Xuse | jasoncohen that's kinda crazy. |
| 05:44.45 | gin_ | jim, i no have permission's with, my normal user, to put mp3's |
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| 05:44.54 | gin_ | jim, i can't heard sound |
| 05:44.58 | jim | but see, we get a lot of people come to the channel in sortof a demanding way, and they're not really willing to supply info |
| 05:45.24 | tarzeau | LOLZ this cracks me so up: http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152987&cid=12836430 |
| 05:45.24 | jim | gullyfoyle: doesn't look like that's you... sorry for assuming |
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| 05:45.31 | lawnchair | john, HI |
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| 05:45.42 | jim | gin_: what groups is your user in? |
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| 05:45.55 | musasabi | I am having some DFSG related trouble - a program which includes parts of a language standard report which is licensed like this http://haskell.org/onlinereport/ (the "may not be called X" problem) - is there a good way to make the program DFSG free? |
| 05:46.08 | gin_ | jim, only 1 .. my normal user.. |
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| 05:46.25 | rituraj | Hi i have a strange problem while removing files from |
| 05:46.37 | rituraj | even with root account i am getting permission denied |
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| 05:46.45 | jim | gin_: what device in /dev or in /proc/asound do you use to play stuff with? |
| 05:46.50 | gentgeen__ | Where \n is for line break, what do I use for page break?? |
| 05:46.58 | tarzeau | musasabi: ask the one who wrote it nicely? |
| 05:47.00 | jim | \n |
| 05:47.05 | gullyfoyle | i'm just a guy who uses gnu/linux as his daily os, (yes a desktop os), for 6 years, and i like debian the best. i havent tried ubuntu, i'm not talking about that. I always build my own boxes and buy my components according to their gnu/linux compatibilty. 6 years i've been doing this. Debian is as smooth and snappy as anything i've seen. |
| 05:47.08 | tarzeau | musasabi: that's the best way to change licensing |
| 05:47.10 | rituraj | [root@harpreetsawhney user]# pwd |
| 05:47.10 | rituraj | /home/HarpreetSawhney/.openoffice/user |
| 05:47.10 | rituraj | [root@harpreetsawhney user]# ls -ld work |
| 05:47.10 | rituraj | drwxr-xr-x 51 root root 4096 Mar 30 10:54 work |
| 05:47.10 | rituraj | [root@harpreetsawhney user]# rm -rf work/ |
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| 05:47.53 | rituraj | hi |
| 05:48.02 | lawnchair | #1! |
| 05:48.04 | rituraj | sorry for the flooding |
| 05:48.09 | lawnchair | you are sorry |
| 05:48.15 | tarheelcoxn | rituraj: lol... use pastbin.com or something |
| 05:48.19 | tarheelcoxn | err |
| 05:48.21 | rituraj | ok |
| 05:48.21 | tarheelcoxn | pastebin |
| 05:48.24 | jim | that;s what he said, yes |
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| 05:48.24 | musasabi | tarzeau: I don't think they want to change the licensing of the language standard report (and it was made by a committee). (and that contains definitions of some constructs, so it is quite hard not to include parts of it) |
| 05:48.46 | rituraj | #flood |
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| 05:49.10 | tarzeau | musasabi: well then good luck;) |
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| 05:49.23 | dinojia | jion #love |
| 05:49.25 | tarzeau | musasabi: is she beautiful, the boss? |
| 05:49.33 | tarzeau | i mean of that committee |
| 05:49.33 | gin_ | jim, audio , /dev/dev .. i have checked with: lspci | grep audio |
| 05:49.49 | jim | gin_: so /dev/audio? |
| 05:49.52 | gin_ | . /dev/audio* |
| 05:49.54 | gin_ | yes |
| 05:50.06 | musasabi | hmm? |
| 05:50.13 | jim | ok, what permissions and ownerships are applied to /dev/audio? |
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| 05:50.57 | SDFH_Linux | guys what are the system requirements for netinstall? |
| 05:51.02 | SDFH_Linux | cpu and ram? |
| 05:51.04 | jim | (/me will make you solve this if I have to drag you all the way through the solution :P ) |
| 05:51.16 | jim | SDFH_Linux: YES, you need both of those |
| 05:51.26 | SDFH_Linux | what speeds? |
| 05:51.34 | SDFH_Linux | to run kde? |
| 05:51.43 | jim | kde? hmm |
| 05:51.52 | gin_ | jim, i don't give any permissions to /dev/audio .. |
| 05:51.57 | gullyfoyle | SDFH_Linux, google is your friend, the requirements are right there on the install page |
| 05:51.57 | simonrvn | too much |
| 05:51.57 | jim | well you probably need lots of ram, the more the better |
| 05:52.02 | crappledev | kde has to be up to about 128+ |
| 05:52.02 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 05:52.36 | jim | gin_: how would you find out the permissions on /dev/audio? how would you find out what user and what group owns it? |
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| 05:53.18 | paster | "rituraj" at 220.225.34.210 pasted "Cannot remove files with rm" (21 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/230 |
| 05:53.25 | crappledev | jim: ls -al /dev/audio |
| 05:53.42 | jim | crappledev: that was for him to think up... shh! :P |
| 05:53.48 | nekojin | hey, i've got my linux HD on an pci ide controller, debian installation was able to recognise, use and install to it, grub notices on boot, yet when the kernel boots it doesn't seem to find it |
| 05:53.51 | rituraj | http://channels.debian.net/paste/230 |
| 05:53.54 | crappledev | jim:doh, excuse me |
| 05:53.59 | gullyfoyle | ls -l /dev/audio |
| 05:54.00 | nekojin | so i get kernel panic because it can't find root fs |
| 05:54.04 | jim | no problem |
| 05:54.14 | rituraj | strange problem....cannot remove files with rm....i think something is fishy |
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| 05:54.33 | simonrvn | rituraj: lsattr youfile |
| 05:54.35 | gin_ | jim, so , how can i give that permission's to /dev/audio .. |
| 05:54.41 | rituraj | also there is a continuous loop...directory inside dir....no one has created it... |
| 05:54.45 | trave11er | rituraj: some circular symbolic links, probably |
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| 05:54.55 | rituraj | no symlinks....i checked it |
| 05:55.01 | jm_ | rituraj: maybe your fs is hosed |
| 05:55.06 | jim | gin_: you need to FIND what permissions EXIST NOW on /dev/audio... how can you do that? |
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| 05:55.23 | rituraj | jm: what do i do then? |
| 05:55.25 | nomad_cz | Hi. Is it safe to use smartmontools on server ? Friend of mine told me his hdd broke down after that. I know it could be coincidence but I wonder anyway ;) Thanks. |
| 05:55.35 | HansZ | er.. how to remove xfce4, I did apt-get remove xfce4 --purge.. however it's still being started after typing startx |
| 05:55.38 | jim | *: shh! let him do it |
| 05:55.48 | gin_ | jim, i dunno im newbie |
| 05:56.00 | gullyfoyle | cd /dev |
| 05:56.05 | rituraj | i have never seen such a problem i think something fishy is happening |
| 05:56.09 | simonrvn | nomad_cz: except for the test running smatmontools does't do anything to the drive, it's passive |
| 05:56.11 | rituraj | http://channels.debian.net/paste/230 |
| 05:56.15 | simonrvn | smart* |
| 05:56.26 | HansZ | Can't anyone tell me hoo.. ? |
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| 05:56.28 | jim | gin_: ok, how would you find out what files are in the directory you are in?" |
| 05:56.39 | nomad_cz | simonrvn: Thanks ;) I take it as Yes, it is safe ;) |
| 05:56.57 | gin_ | jim, ls -l |
| 05:56.59 | gullyfoyle | ok, unix 101... |
| 05:57.04 | trave11er | rituraj: paste output of ls -laR in this user directory |
| 05:57.08 | HansZ | What's the proper syntax to remove xfce4 ? |
| 05:57.09 | rhalff_ | anyone experience weird behaviour in firefox sometimes ? where it just pops up windows and then crashes ? |
| 05:57.10 | jim | gin_: why -l? what does that do? |
| 05:57.27 | jm_ | rituraj: do you have backups? |
| 05:57.30 | crappledev | rhalff_: Yeah, on my XP box at work |
| 05:57.34 | HansZ | What's the proper syntax to remove xfce4 ? |
| 05:57.43 | simonrvn | rituraj: do a file at a time, and check lsattr like i told you. could also be fs or drive problems |
| 05:57.55 | jm_ | rituraj: also check logs |
| 05:58.01 | swim | is unrar-nonfree available somewhere? |
| 05:58.08 | gin_ | jim, who got the permission i supose |
| 05:58.11 | gullyfoyle | i've iscovered the joy of 'screen' |
| 05:58.20 | gullyfoyle | *discovered |
| 05:58.25 | jim | gin_: -yes-, and what other things? |
| 05:58.38 | rhalff_ | crappledev, ah it's strange because it happens on my own pages also, with no real weird code in it. |
| 05:58.38 | HansZ | guys stop ignoring me, just tell me how to remove it :/ |
| 05:58.40 | jm_ | swim: unrar is nonfree, the free version is packaged in unrar-free |
| 05:59.03 | gullyfoyle | after lo these many years, some console apps still rock |
| 05:59.16 | simonrvn | HansZ: man dpkg, man apt-get |
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| 05:59.28 | swim | jm_, the free version wont extract the file I need to extract... and unrar-nonfree doesnt seem to have a deb |
| 05:59.30 | jim | console still has all the power |
| 05:59.36 | HansZ | simonrvn: Already watched the manpages... that stupid apt-get remove hasn't any effect |
| 05:59.42 | jm_ | swim: can't you read? |
| 05:59.43 | gin_ | jim, the privilegies ? . crw--rw---- and dates |
| 05:59.48 | simonrvn | swim: there is one. need contrib non-free in addition to main |
| 06:00.05 | swim | simonrvn, I have non-free in all of my sources |
| 06:00.10 | jim | gin_: yes. now: how would you find this information for /dev/audio? |
| 06:00.13 | swim | jm_, what do you think? |
| 06:00.15 | simonrvn | HansZ: you don't watch man pages, you read them |
| 06:00.23 | nomad_cz | swim: I think unrar-nonfree is just virtual package - check just unrar |
| 06:00.32 | jm_ | swim: I think you simply ignored my comment, I'll do the same with your future remarks |
| 06:00.35 | gin_ | jim, as root |
| 06:00.41 | HansZ | simonrvn: :) that doesn't help |
| 06:00.46 | jim | I watch man pages... Julia Roberts was on before... |
| 06:00.55 | swim | jm_, I see, well you're incorrect I answered your comment... |
| 06:00.59 | gullyfoyle | it's like coming full circle, you learn the cli, you move to a graphical interface, you come back to the console. Unfortunately, most people skip step 1. |
| 06:01.17 | HansZ | Okay so everybody doesn't know how to remove xfce4.. damn! |
| 06:01.17 | nekojin | this is a pain, I guess i'll have to compile a kernel for it on another box then load knoppix and scp it over |
| 06:01.18 | jm_ | swim: there was nothing to answer, it just told you what to install |
| 06:01.19 | simonrvn | HansZ: use a more involved frontend like aptitude or dselect |
| 06:01.22 | nekojin | kernel with support for the controller |
| 06:01.28 | jim | gin_: but what command would you use to find out what user and what group owns /dev/audio? |
| 06:01.31 | gin_ | jim, i mean that i should run alsaplayer as root ? |
| 06:01.34 | crappledev | gullyfoyle: cl..what? |
| 06:01.35 | jim | (put it together) |
| 06:01.45 | swim | jm_, you told me to install unrar-free right? I said... unrar-free does not extract the file I need to extract... |
| 06:01.49 | mborohovski | trave11er: ping |
| 06:01.54 | craigevil | 2 different apps unrar | unrar-free is only in testing and unstable |
| 06:01.59 | jm_ | swim: no I did not |
| 06:02.02 | gin_ | jim, ls -l /dev/audio |
| 06:02.12 | jim | gin_: YES! |
| 06:02.13 | jim | gin_: YES! |
| 06:02.14 | trave11er | mborohovski: pong |
| 06:02.24 | jim | now, do that... it should give you one line |
| 06:02.27 | jim | show that line |
| 06:02.32 | swim | jm_ swim: unrar is nonfree, the free version is packaged in unrar-free ... what else did you mean? |
| 06:02.49 | jm_ | swim: that should tell you to install unrar, shouldn't it? |
| 06:02.52 | gin_ | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 4 Jun 16 23:37 /dev/audio |
| 06:02.58 | gin_ | jim, thats the line.. |
| 06:03.02 | jim | gin_: ok... |
| 06:03.10 | jm_ | swim: or even rar - whatever suits you |
| 06:03.13 | jim | why does it say "root"? |
| 06:03.25 | jim | *: shh, let him do it |
| 06:03.37 | xerophyte | When I want to run top program , I'm getting fscanf failed on /proc/stat |
| 06:03.37 | xerophyte | for cpu 1 error , I searche google but I could not find any clear |
| 06:03.37 | xerophyte | information ?! I think I have to update top program , any idea ?! |
| 06:04.14 | gin_ | jim, coz su only can run that.. |
| 06:04.21 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:04.25 | trave11er | mborohovski: if you have to ask something, ask now, as i am about to go to bed |
| 06:04.26 | jim | well, that's a side effect |
| 06:04.27 | gin_ | jim, and i fixed by default |
| 06:04.36 | mborohovski | trave11er: im trying your iso now |
| 06:04.48 | gin_ | jim, when i was installing deb. |
| 06:04.49 | jim | it means: "the USER that owns this file is root" |
| 06:05.03 | trave11er | mborohovski: and? |
| 06:05.04 | gin_ | jim, yes. |
| 06:05.14 | jim | ok, why does it say audio? |
| 06:05.19 | mborohovski | trave11er: i cant tell you enough how much i love you, thus far |
| 06:05.30 | trave11er | mborohovski: lol |
| 06:05.33 | jm_ | that must be root's wife then ;) |
| 06:05.43 | trave11er | mborohovski: did it segfault on keyboard setup? |
| 06:06.02 | gin_ | jim, i dont understand ur question. |
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| 06:06.33 | SDFH_Linux | has anyone tried out and used gnome 2.10? |
| 06:06.50 | gin_ | jim, i guess that say audio coz is the sound defualt to the sys tem |
| 06:06.55 | jim | gin_: what I'm trying to get to, is what does the second name (in this case "audio") mean in the ls -l |
| 06:07.02 | liable | hmm, I can plug my printer in locally and print a page from firefox, I can print a testpage over the network but not anything else. Got me stumped, any ideas? |
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| 06:07.23 | jim | gin_: do you understand what is a "group of users"? |
| 06:07.38 | mborohovski | trave11er: it errored on keyboar dsetup, but i dont think it segfaulted |
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| 06:08.11 | Neerlan_Amorim | as I remove # using the VI |
| 06:08.12 | gin_ | jim: ahh.. yes |
| 06:08.13 | trave11er | mborohovski: well, this error is a result of a segfault |
| 06:08.18 | Neerlan_Amorim | as I remove # using the VI ? |
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| 06:08.31 | rituraj | lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on work/leak.txt |
| 06:08.32 | rituraj | lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on work/mem.c |
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| 06:08.44 | gin_ | jim, so how can i change privilegies to, my normal user ? |
| 06:08.49 | rituraj | this is the result for all files inside that subdir..... |
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| 06:09.10 | rituraj | so could it be drive issue?? i will check logs .... |
| 06:09.11 | jim | gin_: in unix/linux, every file on the system has a user that owns it, and a group that owns it |
| 06:09.14 | swim | alright I have unrar-free installed... how do I now install unrar? apt-get install unrar returns no candidate |
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| 06:09.42 | jm_ | put non-free in your sources.list, run apt-get update |
| 06:09.46 | jm_ | then install it |
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| 06:10.13 | swim | its already inthere, its been in there since I installed debian |
| 06:10.30 | gin_ | jim, u meant than i cant change that ? |
| 06:10.50 | jm_ | then run update |
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| 06:10.59 | swim | i have done so |
| 06:11.04 | jim | gin_: we're not going to change permissions on /dev/audio, we're going to change your user |
| 06:11.12 | jm_ | are you using Sarge or Woody? |
| 06:11.17 | swim | sid |
| 06:11.26 | jim | gin_: but you have to understand the permissions system |
| 06:12.09 | gin_ | jim, i must change to root login from KDE ? |
| 06:12.14 | jm_ | it's the same in sid - it's in non-free, so that means something's not right on your system or you're not telling the truth about non-free in your sources.list |
| 06:12.17 | jim | gin_: no |
| 06:12.25 | tcsetattr | this is painful to watch. |
| 06:12.28 | jim | you must understand how the permission system works |
| 06:12.33 | swim | hehe why would I not tell the truth |
| 06:12.52 | jm_ | I don't know, please recheck your sources.list, it takes 2 seconds |
| 06:12.56 | gin_ | jim, where can i learn that ? |
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| 06:13.02 | swim | deb http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian-pure64 sid main contrib non-free |
| 06:13.07 | swim | deb-src http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian-pure64 sid main contrib non-free |
| 06:13.07 | jm_ | ahh amd64!!! |
| 06:13.13 | jim | gin_: try "info fileutils" |
| 06:13.17 | swim | yah |
| 06:13.18 | craigevil | if your sources.list is setup correctly unrar is there |
| 06:13.27 | gin_ | jim, and later ? |
| 06:13.28 | slava | anybody know how to have it so when i apt-get a java program, it doesn't try installing kaffe? i already have the sun jdk installed |
| 06:13.31 | jm_ | try asking in #debian-amd64, maybe it hasn't been ported yet |
| 06:13.33 | slava | so i don't need kaffe |
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| 06:13.42 | jm_ | slava: how did you install jdk? |
| 06:13.44 | swim | ok thx |
| 06:13.46 | renzop | Hi |
| 06:13.53 | slava | jm_, self-extracting archive from sun's site |
| 06:13.59 | gullyfoyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.00 | gullyfoyle | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l |
| 06:14.08 | craigevil | apt-get install unrar_3.5.2-0.1_ia64.deb |
| 06:14.13 | jm_ | slava: remove that, but keep the .bin file, apt-get install java-package ; man make-jpkg |
| 06:14.16 | bob2 | craigevil: that's not how apt works |
| 06:14.18 | jim | you must look at what permissions are on /dev/audio, and figure out how, WITHOUT changing /dev/audio ownerships or permissions, you can give plain users permission to read and write that file |
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| 06:14.26 | slava | jm_, thanks |
| 06:14.27 | swim | craigevil, ia64 isnt amd64 |
| 06:14.43 | swim | afaik |
| 06:14.46 | renzop | I dont remember of command to know , who modified file ??? what is the command |
| 06:15.01 | jm_ | indeed, ia64 has been in Debian for a while |
| 06:15.07 | gin_ | jim, right |
| 06:15.12 | slava | i like debian so far, i switched from freebsd |
| 06:15.13 | bob2 | renzop: ls -l |
| 06:15.19 | slava | used freebsd for two years |
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| 06:16.06 | renzop | bob2, no ls -la - another command , this show file information of file |
| 06:16.08 | jim | gin_: you also have to find out exactly what ls -l tells you, in each part |
| 06:16.16 | bob2 | renzop: stat? |
| 06:16.42 | jim | once you have all those, then you might be able to figure a way to do it |
| 06:16.55 | renzop | bob2, thank |
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| 06:19.19 | jim | every once in awhile, it's useful to turn on someone's thinking process |
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| 06:20.24 | rituraj | the problem is reolved |
| 06:20.31 | rituraj | that was a mounted filesystem |
| 06:20.36 | jim | it's still revolving! |
| 06:20.37 | rituraj | with root_squash |
| 06:20.53 | rituraj | i am referring to http://channels.debian.net/paste/230 |
| 06:21.21 | gin_ | jim, the, info fileutils .. only show what i have installed utilities.. and.. say to what works .. |
| 06:21.26 | rituraj | rm -rf will remove symbolic links only....not the original files they point to ....am i right |
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| 06:21.37 | am88b | right |
| 06:21.59 | jim | gin_: is there a section on file permissions? |
| 06:22.16 | gin_ | jim, no.. i dont see.. that |
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| 06:22.35 | jim | !find fileutils.info |
| 06:22.46 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'fileutils.info' returned no results. |
| 06:23.03 | gin_ | jim, i guess that, chmod give permission.. |
| 06:23.28 | tcsetattr | it's coreutils now |
| 06:23.39 | djp | hi all. can anybody help me with an installation query? i am asked at some point to enter a domain and at a later point a workgroup or domain for samba. my machine is a stand-alone. what should i enter when prompted at these two points? |
| 06:23.49 | jim | hmm, maybe it's coreutils |
| 06:24.01 | gullyfoyle | i used to hate gnome, but now i find it smooth, snappy and attractive in sarge |
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| 06:24.20 | jim | found it |
| 06:24.20 | jim | it |
| 06:24.49 | jim | it's coreutils now, and you want "File Permissions" which is a few screenfuls down |
| 06:24.51 | tcsetattr | "Dr. Gullyfoyle, or how I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the GNOME" |
| 06:25.13 | jim | that would require him to touch a gnome... |
| 06:25.22 | gin_ | jim: * Changing file attributes:: chgrp chmod chown touch |
| 06:25.31 | gin_ | jim, that says u ? |
| 06:25.39 | jim | File Permission |
| 06:25.56 | jim | it's down further |
| 06:26.03 | tcsetattr | I don't think you're going to get this guy to engage his brain. He's just being very patient in anticipation of eventual spoonfeeding |
| 06:26.04 | gin_ | jim File permissions:: Access modes. |
| 06:26.11 | gin_ | jim, only says access modes |
| 06:26.16 | gin_ | no commands |
| 06:26.29 | jim | right, you have to understand the system. |
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| 06:27.11 | jim | to give you a bit of perspective, this is day one or two of a basic unix usage course :) |
| 06:27.39 | timbo__ | hey- i have a usb digital camera- how can i acess the files on it? |
| 06:28.00 | crappledev | timbo__: I have one too, i bet they're not the same |
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| 06:28.08 | timbo__ | how bout a sony? |
| 06:28.22 | bob2 | plug it in |
| 06:28.25 | bob2 | gnome will mount it |
| 06:28.25 | timbo__ | okay |
| 06:28.28 | timbo__ | really? |
| 06:28.33 | bob2 | and offer to import pictures from it |
| 06:28.34 | bob2 | yes |
| 06:28.35 | timbo__ | how do i acess it then? |
| 06:28.45 | timbo__ | oh- it didn't do that |
| 06:28.50 | bob2 | it will offer to start gphoto for you |
| 06:29.00 | tcsetattr | well, it's much more challenging if you try to do it without pluging it in |
| 06:29.23 | bob2 | make sure it's set to usb-storage |
| 06:29.28 | gullyfoyle | maybe gnome is like that girl at the end of thebar who's been overlooked all night |
| 06:29.33 | bob2 | there's an option in the camera settings |
| 06:29.44 | bob2 | at least there is in my dsc-p150 |
| 06:29.49 | jim | timbo__: watch the logs (tail -f somelogfile), plug in the camera on your usb, see what the logs say when you plug it in about what is the device to mount |
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| 06:30.16 | bob2 | timbo__: is the "gnome-volume-manager" program running? |
| 06:30.22 | bob2 | do you have hotplug/udev installed? |
| 06:30.25 | bob2 | are you on a 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:30.30 | gin_ | jim, i do not understand what u mean man.. |
| 06:30.33 | Xuse | gnome is great, but it's pretty damn awful if you have 256mb ram or less. |
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| 06:30.40 | bob2 | hmmm |
| 06:30.42 | bob2 | works for me |
| 06:30.46 | bob2 | but I don't use gnome apps |
| 06:30.46 | crappledev | timbo__: you might have to check your /etc/modules |
| 06:30.57 | bob2 | timbo__: this is a debian kernel, right? |
| 06:31.17 | Xuse | bob2 do you use nautilus? |
| 06:31.19 | gullyfoyle | the girl who's been overshadowed by the fake tans, the loud voices, the false laughs, the expensive clothes, but when it comes down o it, you find a gem. |
| 06:31.27 | djp | hi all. can anybody help me with an installation query? i am asked at some point to enter a domain and at a later point a workgroup or domain for samba. my machine is a stand-alone. what should i enter when prompted at these two points? |
| 06:31.29 | bob2 | Xuse: nope |
| 06:31.39 | Xuse | That's why it's fine. |
| 06:31.43 | ticktoc | sorry but i just have to ask.. what in the world is the difference between GTK and GTK+ and why can't I find GKT+ on my DVD? |
| 06:31.43 | gullyfoyle | maybe i'm talkin to the wrong crowd about girls |
| 06:31.53 | crappledev | gullyfoyle: are you falling for her? it might all be deception |
| 06:32.00 | bob2 | ticktoc: libgtk2.0 |
| 06:32.08 | bob2 | gullyfoyle: please troll elsewhere |
| 06:32.34 | gin_ | so, what i should to do for get permission with /dev/audio with this user ? |
| 06:32.36 | gullyfoyle | crappledev, it's a metaphor, dude |
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| 06:32.39 | ticktoc | ok.. but it's NOT gtk+ in the pkg_config |
| 06:32.54 | bob2 | ticktoc: if you're compiling something, install libgtk2.0-dev |
| 06:32.58 | jm_ | djp: why do you want samba if it's a standalone machine? as for the (first) domain, pick whatever you want |
| 06:33.06 | crappledev | gullyfoyle: i know, i'm just saying that maybe gnome isn't all you think it is |
| 06:33.11 | ticktoc | ok.. will give it a try.. thanks.. |
| 06:33.15 | jim | gin_: did you find the "File Permisssions" node? |
| 06:33.18 | ticktoc | btw.. have a great night.. |
| 06:33.21 | Xuse | damn qtorrent is great, despite it being horribly ugly. |
| 06:33.22 | djp | jm_: it is being installed by default i gather, as i have not selected it |
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| 06:33.37 | jm_ | djp: ok, you can always remove it later |
| 06:33.56 | djp | jm_: jst leave the samba entry blank? |
| 06:34.07 | jm_ | djp: you can enter test or whatever there |
| 06:34.20 | djp | jm_: cheers, thanks for the advice |
| 06:34.20 | tcsetattr | djp, I'd tell samba that its name is "PHUCKTHIS", "SAMBASUCKS" |
| 06:34.21 | jim | gin_: what does ls -l /dev/audio tell you? |
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| 06:34.37 | djp | tcsetattr: lol :) |
| 06:34.50 | djp | tcsetattr: i'll enter that then! |
| 06:35.12 | jim | gin_:: if you don't understand what you're looking at, then you need to learn what ls is telling you |
| 06:35.16 | jim | every part |
| 06:35.22 | gin_ | jim, how owns /dev/audio.. |
| 06:35.32 | tcsetattr | you have to do it in ALL CAPS to be true to the windoze SPIRIT, they like to SHOUT their hostnames |
| 06:35.35 | jim | yes, that would be the user root |
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| 06:35.46 | jim | why does it say audio? |
| 06:35.50 | jim | man ls |
| 06:35.58 | jim | see what the -l shows |
| 06:36.37 | jim | -believe- me, you -want- to figure this out yourself |
| 06:36.39 | crappledev | jim: you're like that teacher who is true believer in 'no child left behind' |
| 06:36.44 | gin_ | audio its a group where it found all the video card |
| 06:36.45 | gullyfoyle | i'm saying that i've tweaked f-box with the coolest sh--, i've decorated kde with smoothdock and all kinda funky feeds, put launchers in windowmaker, pagers in this one, camouflaged that one, maybe a simple, straightforward desktop is the way to go? |
| 06:36.56 | gin_ | jim: audio its a group where it found all the video card |
| 06:37.02 | jim | gin_: YES! audio is a GROUP! |
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| 06:37.14 | jim | ok, now... |
| 06:37.19 | jim | what about the permissions? |
| 06:37.42 | jim | crw-rw---- |
| 06:37.46 | gin_ | yes |
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| 06:37.55 | jim | what does that mean? |
| 06:37.58 | jim | start with the c |
| 06:38.03 | jim | what does that mean? |
| 06:38.15 | simonrvn | might not get that one, but wth |
| 06:38.18 | gin_ | core re write ? |
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| 06:38.30 | gin_ | read write |
| 06:38.38 | jim | just the c |
| 06:38.43 | dushtabuddhi | jim, c - character |
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| 06:38.49 | jim | yes, the rw is read write |
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| 06:39.06 | jim | dushtabuddhi: he can do it, give him a chance |
| 06:39.08 | gin_ | jim, well the c told u dushtabuddhi .. |
| 06:39.11 | dushtabuddhi | typically devices are two - character devices and block devices basedo nthe type of data transfer |
| 06:39.13 | gullyfoyle | a defining characteristic of your gnu/linux addict is that your desktop doesn't look like anyone else's. Windows boxen always look the same. |
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| 06:39.49 | wols | gullyfoyle: must be a different windows than I know |
| 06:39.49 | simonrvn | mine doesn't look the same one week to another ;) |
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| 06:40.00 | gin_ | jim, means, core ? |
| 06:40.06 | crappledev | gullyfoyle: I was looking for a dock like app for gnome |
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| 06:40.11 | jim | gin_: no... |
| 06:40.44 | jim | take a look at man mknod |
| 06:40.53 | gin_ | right |
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| 06:41.03 | simonrvn | jim++ |
| 06:41.11 | simonrvn | gin_++ |
| 06:41.12 | jim | look at the stuff just before AUTHOR |
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| 06:41.23 | gin_ | jim, c, u create a character (unbuffered) special file |
| 06:41.30 | gin_ | simonrvn, ++ dude |
| 06:42.07 | jim | gin_: yes, exactly... here's what's happening: these "special" files refer to devices through their drivers |
| 06:42.09 | simonrvn | gin_: in *nix, everything's a file. some are "special" |
| 06:42.28 | gullyfoyle | yeah, the great thing about f-box, etc is that you can use the slit or dock or wahrf or whatever or just about anything. |
| 06:42.37 | gin_ | jim.. ohh right |
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| 06:43.01 | gin_ | jim, by that i have installed drivers to get drivers to SB Live , |
| 06:43.10 | gin_ | jim, with alsa |
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| 06:43.27 | jim | gin_: a character special file (which /dev/audio is) is a "gateway" to a device thru a driver, that you send a stream of characters to |
| 06:44.12 | simonrvn | brb |
| 06:44.27 | jim | we were looking at the permissions of /dev/audio, which are crw-rw---- |
| 06:44.38 | gin_ | yeah |
| 06:44.50 | jim | the c means: "this file is a 'character special' file" |
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| 06:45.25 | peterS | gin_: 'character special' just means you can send a single byte to it, or get a single byte back, without problems. 'block special' is the other mode, and with 'b' devices you generally have to send or receive 512 bytes at a time to get anywhere |
| 06:45.36 | jim | if it said b, it would have meant: "this file is a 'block special' file" |
| 06:45.43 | gullyfoyle | i gotta remember the line i put in fstab for my usb flash card |
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| 06:46.00 | gullyfoyle | i'm too drunk to figure it out |
| 06:46.00 | peterS | gullyfoyle: /dev/sda1 /u vfat user,noauto 0 0 |
| 06:46.05 | peterS | gullyfoyle: that's mine |
| 06:46.13 | djp | i seem to have a printing problem. i have tried to print something from the text editor after logging on from the teminal as root with the su command. Nothing printed and now there are 2 print jobs for root, which i cannot delete. also the printer icon to the top right (next to the date and time) does not appear to be working. i can however delete local print requests using print jobs (cups) under system tools, however again, th |
| 06:46.13 | djp | is will not let me delete print jobs requested while as root. |
| 06:46.22 | peterS | gullyfoyle: actually I usually put 'noatime' in the options too |
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| 06:46.47 | jim | gin_: now let's look at the other parts of the permissions, rw-rw---- |
| 06:46.49 | gin_ | jim, right |
| 06:46.53 | gullyfoyle | i think i used something like /mount/usbflash or sumthin i made up, but it worked |
| 06:47.03 | peterS | gullyfoyle: right, I just prefer less typing (: |
| 06:47.06 | jim | do you know how they break down? |
| 06:47.20 | gin_ | jim, no. |
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| 06:47.30 | jim | they break down this way: |
| 06:47.35 | gullyfoyle | it was just to get pictures from my camera |
| 06:47.36 | jim | rw- rw- --- |
| 06:47.51 | jim | owner group everyoneElse |
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| 06:48.48 | Gavrila | why this topic? is there any problem with sid? |
| 06:48.54 | gin_ | jim, so i need change crw--rw --- to rw--rw--- to get use with whatever user .. |
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| 06:49.08 | gin_ | jim, and don't only root |
| 06:49.30 | jim | gin_: like I said, we;re -not- going to change this part, the goal here is to READ it and UNDERSTAND it |
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| 06:49.49 | gin_ | jim, ahh right |
| 06:50.21 | jim | so, the owner (who is the owner?) has rw- permission |
| 06:50.38 | djp | i seem to have a printing problem. i have tried to print something from the text editor after logging on from the teminal as root with the su command. Nothing printed and now there are 2 print jobs for root, which i cannot delete. also the printer icon to the top right (next to the date and time) does not appear to be working. i can however delete local print requests using print jobs (cups) under system tools, however again, th |
| 06:50.38 | djp | is will not let me delete print jobs requested while as root. |
| 06:50.42 | jim | the group (what group does it belong to?) has rw- permission |
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| 06:50.55 | jim | !tell djp about repeat |
| 06:51.04 | Azar | hi jim |
| 06:51.11 | jim | hi azar |
| 06:51.52 | jim | everyone else (aside from the owner and members of the group) have --- permission |
| 06:51.53 | gin_ | jim, and ? |
| 06:52.13 | jim | answer the two questions in the ( ... ) |
| 06:52.15 | jim | :) |
| 06:52.25 | jim | the group (what group does it belong to?) has rw- permission |
| 06:52.38 | Azar | jim , dumb question, is there anything wrong if I am logged as user in one terminal and doing root jobs on another? |
| 06:53.16 | ugly | no |
| 06:53.18 | jim | Azar: you should minimize the time you spend as root, just to keep yourself safe |
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| 06:53.34 | jim | (mostly from yourself) |
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| 06:54.00 | Azar | thanks, ugly, jim, yes just doing routine updates once in a while I understand is never ok to stay root for long |
| 06:54.07 | Azar | :) |
| 06:54.40 | gin_ | the groups that.. have, rw-- persmissions is /dev/audio in this case |
| 06:54.44 | gullyfoyle | Azar, not as far as i know, as long as you stay logged in as root for a minimal time. Just do what you have to do and exit. |
| 06:55.07 | jim | gin_: hmm, I see where you can get confused... |
| 06:55.11 | Azar | thanks gullyfoyle |
| 06:55.36 | jim | notice this file's name is audio, and also (coincidentally) it's in the audio group |
| 06:55.53 | jim | that's two different things; keep them separate in your mind |
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| 06:56.21 | gin_ | ahh right |
| 06:57.06 | gullyfoyle | sometimes, e.g., when i installed unreal tournament, you have to use 2 terminals, so you can mount and unmount in one console while you install in another. but i think nowadays this isn't usually necessary. |
| 06:57.21 | jim | gin_: so, here is what we know: |
| 06:57.49 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:58.14 | Azar | gullyfoyle, yes I will need to review the mount manual I kinda skipped that chapter |
| 06:58.15 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.06 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.08 | gin_ | ahhhh right right! .. coz i have installed as root the drivers.. |
| 06:59.17 | gullyfoyle | chapter in what? i've never read that much. i' more a trial-and-error guy. |
| 06:59.31 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:00.17 | ugly | no access whatsoever |
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| 07:01.06 | jim | gin_: how can we get access to this file (everyone else please shh; let him do it) WITHOUT changing the permissions or ownerships on /dev/audio? |
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| 07:01.16 | gullyfoyle | my usual vector is: read enough to get started; screw something up; go back and read some more; srew it up further; try to undo what i just did; go back and read again. |
| 07:01.27 | gullyfoyle | not very efficient i know. |
| 07:01.27 | jim | hint: a group is a group of USERS |
| 07:01.49 | priest | can someone say a system monitor like torsmo? |
| 07:01.55 | Azar | gullyforte, the debian online manuals |
| 07:02.07 | ugly | torsmo |
| 07:02.14 | priest | except torsmo |
| 07:02.16 | gin_ | jim, well .. |
| 07:02.23 | ugly | oh I thought you wanted me to say torsmo |
| 07:02.37 | gin_ | jim, let me think a bit |
| 07:02.44 | ugly | </lame 3AM joke> |
| 07:02.59 | ugly | priest: well gkrellm is the most popular, but it's not text based |
| 07:03.10 | tim_h | I have a problem with `ls` or something else. When I do a `ls /` it hangs. Same happens with konqueror when I go to /. Any idee? |
| 07:03.10 | Azar | gullyforte, yes "hands on' is the best, yes I am doing that I have 53 installations and about 25 kernel upgrades.... driver configurations, etc |
| 07:03.13 | priest | has it pictures? or what |
| 07:03.26 | ugly | priest: icons yea |
| 07:03.27 | gullyfoyle | sometimes i have that 'aha' moment when i find a flag for a command that i didn't notice before on the man page |
| 07:03.51 | gin_ | jim, u can get access as root |
| 07:03.58 | priest | ugly: i try that, torsmo didn't work well in gnome |
| 07:03.59 | Azar | gullyforte some debian online manuals have "interactive" learning style |
| 07:04.08 | ugly | priest: how so? |
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| 07:04.17 | jim | gin_: yes, that's true: because root is the OWNER of the file and the OWNER has rw- permission |
| 07:04.22 | gullyfoyle | Azar, jeez thats almost too easy, lol |
| 07:04.33 | priest | ugly: it disapear every time i right-clicked my desktop |
| 07:04.37 | ugly | priest: had to use a separate window because of nautilus? |
| 07:04.37 | Azar | gullyforte I am newbie at linux generally speaking |
| 07:05.00 | priest | ugly: no, "on" the desktop |
| 07:05.18 | gullyfoyle | you'll always be a newb compared to some people |
| 07:05.25 | Azar | gullyfoyle, speaking of which what is the *.* equivalent in linux? |
| 07:05.26 | jim | gin_: assume we will -only- change something about your user |
| 07:05.32 | gin_ | jim, now the question is, how can i run, alsaplayer as root, dont let me execute .. |
| 07:05.32 | ugly | priest: torsmo docs say if you use nautilus, you have(?) to use the "own_window yes" option |
| 07:05.37 | gullyfoyle | thers always someone out there who knows more |
| 07:05.41 | priest | ugly: ah..ok |
| 07:05.57 | gin_ | jim, right what we will change ? |
| 07:05.59 | gullyfoyle | HUH? |
| 07:06.12 | Triffid_Hunter | gin_: here comes the big fat clue stick.. a user can be a member of a group... you do realise this yeah? |
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| 07:06.20 | jim | gin_: that's not the answer we're looking for, because being logged in as root is too powerful and so is unsafe |
| 07:06.23 | Azar | gullyfoyle, the *.* means "all files/directories" in DOS |
| 07:06.25 | Triffid_Hunter | sorry to spoil your fun jim ;) |
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| 07:06.50 | gullyfoyle | *.* means all files with a dot in the middle somewhere |
| 07:06.57 | jim | Triffid_Hunter: no problem; that's one of my hints |
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| 07:07.09 | Azar | gullyfoyle, yes, what is the linux equivalent? |
| 07:07.17 | gullyfoyle | same thing |
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| 07:07.32 | Azar | hmm not when I try to do iptables |
| 07:07.44 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: * ;) |
| 07:07.44 | priest | ugly: do you know any monitors, except gkrellm and torsmo? and who is rendering directly to the desktop |
| 07:07.49 | Azar | because is not about files, is about IPs and Ports |
| 07:07.55 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: since filenames don't have to have dots in them |
| 07:08.07 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: iptables uses submasks |
| 07:08.23 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: in x.x.x.x/x notation |
| 07:08.25 | Azar | oh thanks Triffid_Hunter |
| 07:08.33 | gin_ | jim, how we will do to change something about my user ? |
| 07:08.54 | jim | gin_: remember what we know about /dev/audio? |
| 07:08.59 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter, for example I learned that ! means (not/with the exception of) |
| 07:09.03 | ugly | priest: those are the only 2 I know of |
| 07:09.05 | Triffid_Hunter | eg; 192.168.0.0/24 is common for lans, it means 192.168.0.0 == network address, 192.168.0.1-192.168.0.254 are ips in the group, and 192.168.0.255 is broadcast |
| 07:09.25 | jim | gin_: all files on a system have -two- owners: a USER and a GROUP |
| 07:09.33 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: the 24 means the first 24 bits of the netmask are 1 and the rest are zero, thus /24 == 255.255.255.0 |
| 07:09.42 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter, interesting, indeed |
| 07:09.45 | jim | gin_: /dev/audio is owned by the USER root and by the GROUP audio |
| 07:09.47 | Triffid_Hunter | 127.0.0.0/8 is your loopback.. apply the above to understand ;) |
| 07:09.58 | jim | gin_: a group can have users as members |
| 07:10.10 | Azar | so my loopback is falling in the A category? |
| 07:10.34 | jim | gin_: /dev/audio's group permission is rw- which is the same access as for the owner |
| 07:10.46 | gullyfoyle | gnite |
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| 07:11.00 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: i believe that you don't have to stick to actual subnets as it just runs the bitfields (matches mask & givenip <=> mask & recievedip), but don't trust that to always work ;) |
| 07:11.22 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: A, B and C classes are something you're unlikely to ever have to know ;) |
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| 07:11.55 | ethics | azar: classes dont exist anymore technically hehe |
| 07:12.01 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter I am trying to create a iptables rule that hides all ports for all IPs requesting ! my sources.list IPs |
| 07:12.05 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: they're important when allocating internet ips and managing enormous networks, but apart from that not really used |
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| 07:12.12 | gin_ | jim, right and ? |
| 07:12.13 | Azar | hi ethics :) |
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| 07:12.28 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: in other words locking off the whole 'net bar update sites? |
| 07:12.40 | jim | gin_: what is the name of the user you log in as to your kde? |
| 07:12.48 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter I more of a visual learner, creating rules in text mode are kinda blocking my way of seeing them |
| 07:12.57 | gin_ | jim, gin |
| 07:13.03 | ethics | azar how goes it? |
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| 07:13.22 | jim | what does the user gin need to access /dev/audio? |
| 07:13.27 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter I maybe only use apt sources for now, I did not installed X, players, gadgets |
| 07:13.36 | gin_ | jim, yeah. |
| 07:13.36 | Azar | ethics, I am still at it |
| 07:13.43 | jim | remember: a user can be a member of a group |
| 07:13.45 | Azar | trying to imagine how to create rules |
| 07:14.12 | Azar | finally I understood the concept, but when it comes to put it in practice I stall |
| 07:14.33 | ethics | hehe iptables syntax can be annoying hehe |
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| 07:14.38 | gin_ | jim, the user that need access to the group /dev/audio is gin. |
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| 07:15.05 | simonrvn | gin_: add gin to group audio, log out completely, then log in again |
| 07:15.10 | Xteven | hi, is there a tool in debian to repair berkeley database ? (libdb 4.2) |
| 07:15.12 | jim | gin_: /dev/audio is not a group, but audio (same name, different thing) is a group |
| 07:15.20 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: a simple shell script would do it.. for U in $(< /wherever/sources.list); do if [ $U == http* ]; then echo iptables -A INPUT -s `echo $U | sed 's/\w+tp://(.*?)/.*/$1/` -j ACCEPT; fi; done; echo iptables -P INPUT DROP <-- something like that, minus the echo after you're sure it'll do the right thing |
| 07:15.41 | Azar | first and foremost I have to make sure my network will be "on" so not to totally lock myself out |
| 07:15.44 | gin_ | jimm.. ohh |
| 07:15.46 | Triffid_Hunter | maybe add some to output too, with -d rather than -s |
| 07:15.50 | gin_ | right i was confused in that |
| 07:16.00 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: don't forget your dns servers.. ;) |
| 07:16.13 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter I never did shell scripts I am totally new at that |
| 07:16.37 | gin_ | jim, but i dunno add my user to group audio |
| 07:16.44 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: the bash manual is big and scary, but very informative. find some tutorials, and cross-reference them ;) |
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| 07:16.50 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter, I will just look at my other WinXP box ZAP example but I need to figure out how to write it |
| 07:17.04 | ugly | I set a Pin of "2.0.18-1" and a Pin-Priority of "1001" in my /etc/apt/preferences file, but an 'apt-get upgrade' still tries to upgrade the package (to a higher revision) |
| 07:17.05 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter about shell scripting? |
| 07:17.10 | ugly | 2.0.18-5 |
| 07:17.19 | jim | gin_: that's exactly what you do, and take a look at man adduser |
| 07:17.21 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: that example should be fairly close to exactly what you want.. give it a go see what it prints ;) |
| 07:17.23 | Azar | the only thing I did so far was a small alias |
| 07:17.38 | gin_ | jim, so .. the /dev/audio is not a gruop |
| 07:17.39 | Triffid_Hunter | hehe aliases are fun |
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| 07:17.54 | gin_ | jim, where is the group audio ? |
| 07:17.57 | jim | right, but it is OWNED by a groul |
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| 07:18.04 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter so I guess I should learn shell scripting before iptables |
| 07:18.06 | Triffid_Hunter | here's a few good ones: alias ls='ls --color' ; alias l='ls -l'; alias la='ls -la' |
| 07:18.08 | Triffid_Hunter | ;) |
| 07:18.10 | jim | gin_: take a look at /etc/group |
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| 07:18.11 | simonrvn | gin_: no, áudio'is. /dev/audio is the character device file |
| 07:18.15 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: no do them in parallel |
| 07:18.18 | Azar | I am afraid I might lock myself out |
| 07:18.21 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: use one to learn the other |
| 07:18.33 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: are you doing it to a remote box? |
| 07:18.36 | R3D5 | i have debian sarge on my laptop - with gnome things are cool, but with KDE the hard disk keeps throttling when idle. anybody else have this annoying problemo? |
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| 07:18.44 | jim | it was unfortunate we picked a file and a group whose name was accidentally the same |
| 07:18.53 | Azar | yeah I only changed my $ to Hello and did my less with colors |
| 07:19.07 | gin_ | jim, look at this: bash: cd: /etc/group: Not a directory |
| 07:19.13 | Asad | I would like to download new debian (29 CDs ). Can Some one tell me which CD numbers to download for english language I386 and AMD64, i wont xwindows kde & gnome or at least gnome |
| 07:19.19 | Xuse | KDE and KDE things often suck, that's the problem. |
| 07:19.19 | Triffid_Hunter | hehe its called a prompt ;) |
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| 07:19.35 | karsten | Asad: Um. Netinst? |
| 07:19.40 | karsten | !tell Asad about netinst |
| 07:19.42 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter since I have nothing in Debian so to access online manuals, I use the WinXP box to learn, and practice on the Debian terminal |
| 07:19.43 | Asad | no |
| 07:19.48 | gin_ | jim, does not exist |
| 07:19.49 | Asad | cd install |
| 07:19.56 | karsten | gin_: /etc/group is a file, not a directory. |
| 07:19.58 | simonrvn | asac: easier to just get the netinstall cd, and fetch the rest via 'net |
| 07:20.00 | jim | gin_: /etc/group is a file, not a directory... you can cd to a directory, you cannot cd to a file |
| 07:20.00 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: man commandhere |
| 07:20.03 | simonrvn | asac: sorry |
| 07:20.08 | simonrvn | asad: easier to just get the netinstall cd, and fetch the rest via 'net |
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| 07:20.16 | karsten | Asad: Do you have broadband for the box you're going to be installing onto? |
| 07:20.17 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter white on black tires my eyes |
| 07:20.35 | Azar | and man does not allow interactive "exercises" like online manuals do |
| 07:20.45 | Azar | the only interactive is vimtutor |
| 07:20.48 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: you're the opposite to me, and you can change it somewhere anyway.. start up gpm and just select the whole terminal as an interim kludge ;) |
| 07:20.59 | simonrvn | Azar: google Xresources, probably find onw that sets black background with light grey text |
| 07:21.03 | karsten | Asad: It's *strongly* recommended you do a netinst. Otherwise you're d/l'ing ~20GB of data you're never going to need. |
| 07:21.05 | Triffid_Hunter | interactive? |
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| 07:21.10 | Asad | karsten, I like CDs then add extra packages from net, mimial install upto x windows should be fine |
| 07:21.10 | Azar | I do not have X |
| 07:21.15 | karsten | Azar: Pardon? WRT man? |
| 07:21.22 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: have you discovered virtual consoles yet? |
| 07:21.24 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter, try vimtutor you will see |
| 07:21.32 | Azar | hi karsten :) |
| 07:21.42 | karsten | Azar: Have you done a netinst and/or do you understand what it does? |
| 07:21.46 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: as in, alt+f1, alt+f2 up to f6 giving you 6 different consoles |
| 07:21.48 | gin_ | jim, i found it.. there is all the users.. that i have in this group .. |
| 07:21.53 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter F1 through F6 I think |
| 07:22.03 | simonrvn | Azar: *blink*. must be tired then, i thought you were complaining of the default xterm colours |
| 07:22.03 | gin_ | jim, the same than /etc/passwd |
| 07:22.05 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: and then there's screen which is a program you simply must get aquainted with ;) |
| 07:22.06 | R3D5 | i have debian sarge on my laptop - with gnome things are cool, but with KDE the hard disk keeps throttling when idle. anybody else have this annoying problemo? |
| 07:22.07 | Xuse | net install is great. only problem is if you have a modem that's login is webbased. |
| 07:22.11 | Triffid_Hunter | acquainted* |
| 07:22.16 | jim | gin_: similar, yes. |
| 07:22.22 | simonrvn | Xuse: eew |
| 07:22.41 | Xuse | what's so eww about that? |
| 07:22.42 | jim | gin_: to summarize, here is what we found out: |
| 07:22.49 | karsten | Azar: man screen |
| 07:22.50 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: 'lynx' and 'links' or 'links2' are text mode web browsers.. ;) |
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| 07:22.54 | gin_ | jim, so i should add to audio gruop.. to get privilegies ? |
| 07:23.01 | Asad | karsten, I recall that u only need 2 CDs to start with but dont know which ones |
| 07:23.02 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter, I am learning very hard with man, once one screen was read, I forgot all the terms... I need "interactive" learning |
| 07:23.03 | jim | yes, exactly |
| 07:23.13 | empty | R3D5, that's interesting, I would not expect K to muck with HW |
| 07:23.15 | Xuse | yes but they can't display images, so they dont work for me. |
| 07:23.30 | Tuttle | hi, just an easy question: what is the command that will dump SpamAssassin statistics? Number of ham, spam in the db? I cannot remember? |
| 07:23.31 | Xuse | Luckily i keep some livecd's handy. |
| 07:23.33 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: altt+f1 for manuals, alt+f2-6 for sessions in which you try things from the manual.. |
| 07:23.34 | karsten | Asad: http://www.debian.org/. "Installing Debian". Read the netinst bit. |
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| 07:23.51 | karsten | Asad: You need *one* 110 MB (or smaller) CD image to get started. |
| 07:23.53 | nekojin | hey, how come I can't find X in sarge/ |
| 07:23.56 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-shell.html <<Triffid_Hunter I will use this one |
| 07:23.56 | nekojin | am I missing something? |
| 07:24.02 | gin_ | jim, i must read, adduser .. coz i dunno how to do it .. |
| 07:24.09 | empty | Azar Howtos can help a lot, also writing a list of commands and brief descriotions by hand can help a ton |
| 07:24.10 | karsten | Asad: I'd suggest you listen to and consider the excellent advice you're getting here. |
| 07:24.11 | wols | nekojin: cause you don't look |
| 07:24.13 | R3D5 | empty - i think kde is making my hdd thrash when idle due to APCI |
| 07:24.14 | Triffid_Hunter | you're using bash though aren't you? |
| 07:24.17 | R3D5 | any clues? |
| 07:24.18 | nekojin | wols i can't find irssi either |
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| 07:24.24 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter yes |
| 07:24.30 | wols | nekojin: apt-cache search irssi |
| 07:24.39 | wols | nekojin: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 07:24.40 | jim | it's because /dev/audio (and also /dev/mixer and /dev/sequencer) are owned by the audio group AND the -group- permissions on all these files is rw- |
| 07:24.46 | nekojin | wols ah right, still looking for X :) |
| 07:24.52 | empty | R3D5, Ah, I see... do you see ACPI stuff in the logs that might indicate that? |
| 07:25.00 | jim | gin_: so, man adduser |
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| 07:25.05 | R3D5 | empty - where are the ACPI logs located? /var/log ? |
| 07:25.06 | nekojin | wols it's odd, apt let me install mozilla and xdm without X itself |
| 07:25.07 | Azar | I am afraid to advance with Debian installation of X , video and sound and other stuff because I do not know iptables yet |
| 07:25.09 | karsten | nekojin: xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:25.22 | jim | (note carefully: I don't do any unpaid support tasks in /msg) |
| 07:25.24 | karsten | R3D5: *ALL* logs are in /var/log. |
| 07:25.24 | gin_ | jim, i must execute: addgroup audio ? |
| 07:25.27 | nekojin | karsten much thanks goes out to you :) |
| 07:25.31 | empty | R3D5, it will be in your kernel log and possibly messages or syslog |
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| 07:25.48 | karsten | R3D5: acpi == power management? I'd think that's going to be logged to syslog / /var/log/kern.log |
| 07:25.49 | R3D5 | azar - i wouldn't advise you LEARNING iptables before doing anything else..j.ust have a script setup iptables for you...try FIREHOL or Bastille |
| 07:25.49 | empty | R3D5, dmesg can help too |
| 07:25.51 | jim | not sure about addgroup; look at man addgroup |
| 07:25.52 | karsten | nekojin: NP |
| 07:26.10 | karsten | Azar: ...or shorewall. |
| 07:26.27 | Azar | thanks guys, I will not do nothing unless I learn iptables |
| 07:26.39 | karsten | Azar: WRT online docs. aptitude install dwww for your own locally served documetation at http://localhost/dwww/ |
| 07:26.46 | Xuse | firestarter is great. |
| 07:26.50 | wols | nekojin: that's not odd. X is client server. nothing says you will need an Xserver to run X apps. but you do need xlibs (which are a mozilla dependency) |
| 07:27.01 | idnar | anyone know of a decent streaming video format? |
| 07:27.03 | Azar | karsten what is that? |
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| 07:27.11 | karsten | Azar: You can access manpages, package docs, HOWTOs, RFCs, Linux Gazette, and numerous other docs (eg: RuteBook) there. |
| 07:27.13 | wols | idnar: mpeg |
| 07:27.16 | karsten | Azar: apt-cache show dwww |
| 07:27.20 | empty | R3D5, do you have nonstandard ACPI modules? I think most ACPI just spins them down after they've been idle for a while |
| 07:27.21 | gin_ | jim, |
| 07:27.27 | simonrvn | yeh, dwww r0x |
| 07:27.32 | gin_ | addgroup [options] [--gid ID] group - what must be my gid ? |
| 07:27.32 | Azar | karsten, I am afraid to go online with Debian not secured yet |
| 07:27.35 | karsten | Azar: Learn self-sufficiency. |
| 07:27.47 | X34R0 | Hello I was wondering if someone could assist me on seting up my wpc11 v4 wireless lan card on linux, i have gone through many tuts but i cannot figure it out, if you can help please pm me. |
| 07:27.50 | karsten | Azar: Don't run services. You'll be OK. |
| 07:27.55 | R3D5 | empty - well KDE will make my hdd gently thrash when idle for 2 minutes, then stop and go silent |
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| 07:28.05 | karsten | Azar: ...ssh and apache limited to localhost should be sane. This isn't Windows. |
| 07:28.17 | empty | R3D5, probably syncing and spinning down then |
| 07:28.22 | Xuse | R3D5 sounds similiar to windows xp. |
| 07:28.27 | R3D5 | azar - i had the same fear and still do. you should "apt-get install Bastille" then run "InteractiveBastille" |
| 07:28.29 | Azar | oh I do not know what apache is |
| 07:28.36 | Azar | but I know I disabled ssh |
| 07:28.37 | empty | R3D5, there's probably a setting in the ACPI applet you can muck with |
| 07:28.38 | simonrvn | web server |
| 07:28.38 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: iptables -I INPUT 1 -i ! lo -m state --state ! ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j DROP <-- most useful "first" firewall ;) |
| 07:28.39 | wols | Azar: "netstat -anp |grep -i LISTEN" If no ports are open it's safe. if ports are open check which program(s) opened them and decide accordingly |
| 07:28.39 | R3D5 | azar - basille will harden up your debian system up really good |
| 07:28.52 | nekojin | great now apt just let me install X without install xfs |
| 07:29.01 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter :) thanks I will try that one |
| 07:29.02 | wols | Azar: unlike windows, debian doesn't open harmful ports by default |
| 07:29.05 | R3D5 | empty - i won't why gnome isn't doing the same thing? |
| 07:29.12 | X34R0 | can anyone help? |
| 07:29.20 | Azar | right now my netstat -pant shows nothing |
| 07:29.24 | empty | R3D5, probably different applet with different defaults |
| 07:29.32 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: it only accepts packets that are related to connections initiated from that box. anything incoming that it didn't start itself is dropped |
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| 07:29.43 | gin_ | jim, what is my --gid ID ?? |
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| 07:29.51 | R3D5 | wish i had some naked chicks here with me |
| 07:29.54 | R3D5 | sigh |
| 07:29.55 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: that means if you're in an ssh session, it'll stay live, but if you log out you won't be able to get back in |
| 07:30.00 | karsten | Azar: apache == webserver |
| 07:30.02 | R3D5 | i'm just a droid |
| 07:30.03 | peterS | R3D5: yeah, that's OT, ok? |
| 07:30.06 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter what if I got a rootkit, and I do not know how to find it? |
| 07:30.07 | R3D5 | :) |
| 07:30.08 | hellz | hi, how do i find if lvs is supported by sarge kernel or not |
| 07:30.13 | X34R0 | no one? |
| 07:30.18 | jm_ | hellz: check its kernel config |
| 07:30.25 | karsten | Azar: ...it's only the most popular webserver on the planet, not that I'd have expected you to hear of it.... |
| 07:30.27 | nekojin | ah i see what i want |
| 07:30.30 | peterS | hellz: the kernel config jm_ refers to is /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 07:30.37 | hellz | jm_: means menuconfig |
| 07:30.39 | R3D5 | azar - how long have you had your debian system hooked up to the net? you think you've been rootkitted already lol you've been reading wallace wang too much |
| 07:30.40 | nekojin | x-window-system yay! |
| 07:30.52 | Azar | karsten, sorry I never worked with stuff like apache .. or related |
| 07:30.53 | jm_ | hellz: no it doesn't |
| 07:30.58 | hellz | will lsmod help |
| 07:30.59 | empty | Azar, if that concerns you investigate tripwire, tiger, and chkrootkit |
| 07:31.04 | hellz | jm_: then |
| 07:31.11 | jm_ | hellz: peterS has already told you |
| 07:31.14 | karsten | wols: Actually, it's a little easier than it should be to open ports w/ Debian, though you've got to install the related packages. For someone whose never heard of Apache I'd show some fear. |
| 07:31.19 | Azar | ok thanks everyone |
| 07:31.22 | karsten | Azar: Get started already. |
| 07:31.22 | jim | gin_: audio |
| 07:31.23 | priest | can someone tell which system monitor is used here? http://www.tuxme.com/node/486 |
| 07:31.28 | hellz | jm_:ok |
| 07:31.34 | Xuse | Apache was what made linux a lot more popular, how can you not know what it is? that's crazy. |
| 07:31.40 | R3D5 | anybody else think the "K" prefix for all the KDE applications is annoying...kind of gimmicky like the "i" in iPod iMac, iLife? lol kPod, kMac, kLife |
| 07:31.55 | R3D5 | gnome seems like a more level-headed environment |
| 07:31.57 | gin_ | addgroup [options] [--gid ID] group - so its: addgroup gin --gid audio ? |
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| 07:32.08 | jm_ | it's also useful, because you can refer to everything KDE as Krap ;) |
| 07:32.08 | karsten | R3D5: Kno, ki kthink kits kool. |
| 07:32.12 | nekojin | karsten that was funny |
| 07:32.14 | Xuse | QT just sucks. |
| 07:32.33 | R3D5 | i like the neotechno look of KDE |
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| 07:32.35 | karsten | gin_: Only if you want to supply a specific numeric ID. |
| 07:32.42 | R3D5 | it reminds me of DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION and similar video games |
| 07:32.46 | X34R0 | can anyone even see my posts? |
| 07:32.47 | gin_ | jim, sabes español ? |
| 07:32.50 | empty | I hear the Southern LUGs *love* KDE for that reason |
| 07:32.51 | karsten | gin_: You're adding yourself to a group? 'addgroup $USER <groupname>' |
| 07:32.51 | R3D5 | gnome is more like old fashioned macintosh |
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| 07:32.57 | jm_ | X34R0: no |
| 07:33.00 | Xuse | I think KDE looks damn awful, seriously. I suppose that's why windows users like KDE. |
| 07:33.09 | empty | southern US I mean ;) |
| 07:33.11 | jim | no |
| 07:33.12 | R3D5 | lol |
| 07:33.17 | X34R0 | i was wondering if someone could help me install my wpc11 wireless card on linux |
| 07:33.17 | caphuso | R3D5: uh, they're just continuing to do it like anybody else did in the last 20 years |
| 07:33.22 | vladkao | Xuse: by default, yes. but you can fine-tune it |
| 07:33.24 | X34R0 | Switching from windows xp |
| 07:33.32 | karsten | empty: That's 'coz it's got Southern Komfort. |
| 07:33.33 | caphuso | R3D5: X uses x, GNU uses g, ... |
| 07:33.34 | empty | KDE is Krap *but* if I was setting my mom up I'd go KDE and Kiosk is pretty cool |
| 07:33.39 | karsten | !tell X34R0 about repeat. |
| 07:33.45 | R3D5 | x34r0 - you a droid too? i fled from corsucant |
| 07:33.51 | Xuse | My mum prefers gnome. |
| 07:33.53 | karsten | empty: XFCE4 m'self. |
| 07:33.57 | empty | karsten, the LUGs there where white sheets too I hear |
| 07:33.59 | X34R0 | not a droid just looking for help |
| 07:34.06 | Xuse | She thinks it's more cleaner looking. As do i. |
| 07:34.08 | R3D5 | x34 you look likie a droid |
| 07:34.09 | karsten | empty: Okkk. |
| 07:34.14 | m8rbid | help guys, I cannot "apt-get update" |
| 07:34.17 | vladkao | karsten: the 4.2 release is cool :-) |
| 07:34.20 | R3D5 | xuse - yeah, kde looks like it's a bad commercial for a video game |
| 07:34.26 | X34R0 | so no one can help |
| 07:34.28 | nekojin | ok i'm out see yall tommorow |
| 07:34.31 | R3D5 | m8rbid - su root, n8gg |
| 07:34.32 | karsten | vladkao: Screenies anywhere? |
| 07:34.35 | empty | karsten, LOL, I like XFCE but if I have the juice I run gnome and if I don't I run Flux |
| 07:34.35 | gin_ | jim, guess u that is good syntaxys like said, karsten? - addgroup $user {groupnam} |
| 07:34.41 | karsten | X34R0: GIYF. |
| 07:34.46 | Xuse | anyway it's almost 9am, sleep time. |
| 07:34.47 | X34R0 | GIYF?? |
| 07:34.50 | karsten | empty: wmaker all the way ;-) |
| 07:35.04 | m8rbid | r3d5: I am root, I am just getting "Dynamic MMap ran out of memory" |
| 07:35.09 | R3D5 | CLI owns |
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| 07:35.16 | gin_ | jim, busy ? |
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| 07:35.22 | jm_ | m8rbid: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 07:35.40 | R3D5 | hey - i just put bitch-x on debian...why is it so popular...i'm runing it out of the terminal window...it isn't as good as mirc i think |
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| 07:35.46 | jim | gin_: always... anyway, you've solved the puzzle... |
| 07:35.59 | R3D5 | i don't even understand what all the frigging cryptic numbers and letters are in the bitchx window |
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| 07:36.10 | gin_ | jim, guess u that is good syntaxys like said, karsten? - addgroup $user {groupnam} |
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| 07:36.16 | jim | gin_, btw, type "groups" before and after doing the addgroup or adduser |
| 07:36.31 | empty | R3D5, I am fond of xchat personally |
| 07:36.39 | jim | gin_: take a look at man addgroup and see for yourself :) |
| 07:36.51 | empty | R3D5, but I think bitch-x is more script friendly |
| 07:36.56 | gin_ | jim: groups |
| 07:36.56 | gin_ | gin |
| 07:37.00 | jim | OR take a look at man adduser |
| 07:37.13 | R3D5 | empty - xchat is gui based? |
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| 07:37.17 | gin_ | jim, i saw it .. and says this: |
| 07:37.20 | jim | gin_: ok, so you are now in a group called gin |
| 07:37.25 | empty | R3D5, ...hence the X |
| 07:37.28 | wobbler | all i did was adduser me audio |
| 07:37.29 | gin_ | addgroup [options] [--gid ID] group |
| 07:37.34 | R3D5 | bitch-x reminds me of the NFO files from warez i used to copy on 5.25" floppies when i was younger |
| 07:37.38 | R3D5 | all the ANSI art |
| 07:37.38 | wols | R3D5: there is also xchat-text |
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| 07:37.54 | simonrvn | irssi-text |
| 07:37.57 | wols | R3D5: and for a console based client, just use irssi |
| 07:37.59 | R3D5 | empty - bitch-x has an x, but it runs in console |
| 07:38.01 | gin_ | jim, yeah, like bash |
| 07:38.05 | jim | gin_: and man adduser? |
| 07:38.13 | R3D5 | tao dao |
| 07:38.24 | empty | R3D5, Well, you were comparing it to mirc and I don't remember mirc-dos :P |
| 07:38.31 | R3D5 | lol |
| 07:38.38 | gin_ | jim: adduser --group [options] [--gid ID] group |
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| 07:38.57 | R3D5 | mirc has a nice way of laying out all the info to you (channel, users, messages, etc) |
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| 07:39.13 | R3D5 | bitch-x is like, i feel like i should be hacking people and running bot-nets from i |
| 07:39.15 | jim | are you sure that's complete? |
| 07:39.15 | R3D5 | from it |
| 07:39.35 | gin_ | jim, yes exist another one, with system |
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| 07:39.47 | siimo | can someone explain what you mean by non-us is no more? so all it had was crypto? i thought it had more |
| 07:39.48 | m8rbid | jm_: thanks, it worked |
| 07:39.50 | gin_ | jim: adduser --group --system [options] [--gid ID] group |
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| 07:40.16 | am88b | siimo: look @ /topic ? |
| 07:40.24 | jim | gin_: look at the bottom one |
| 07:40.26 | R3D5 | siimo - yeah i thought that was weird too...i mean...it's not like the US laws changed...did they just remove some of the offensive material? |
| 07:40.29 | siimo | am88b, asking after looking it it |
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| 07:40.46 | vladkao | karsten: yes. and can make more :-) |
| 07:40.49 | am88b | there was a link that explained this, wasn't there? |
| 07:40.55 | simonrvn | R3D5: a) they did change somewhat b) there was nothing offensive in there |
| 07:41.01 | siimo | am88b, its in the topic yes ive read it |
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| 07:41.12 | siimo | dpkg gives you the link |
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| 07:42.23 | gin_ | jim, in the buttom its only the description of, --system , --disabled, --guid blah blah |
| 07:42.26 | karsten | siimo: US crypto export laws have changed. |
| 07:42.40 | jim | gin_: down more |
| 07:42.46 | karsten | R3D5: No, the ITAR regs changed. Thank djb for that. |
| 07:43.01 | karsten | R3D5: Note it's a regulatory, not legislative, change. |
| 07:43.14 | gin_ | jim: FILES |
| 07:43.25 | gin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.26 | jim | oh, go up |
| 07:43.30 | gin_ | - /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 07:43.50 | hellz | jm_: i found ip: virtual server and CONFIG_IP_VS=m, does that means that it is there and enabled |
| 07:43.52 | jim | SYNOPSIS section |
| 07:43.55 | R3D5 | question - how would i have my bash prompt change to red color when i have su root? i don't want to do something stupid as root...and want to see a red color everytime i AM root...how to change? |
| 07:44.06 | gin_ | jim, thats its up |
| 07:44.07 | jm_ | hellz: it means it's compiled as a module, so you have to load it |
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| 07:44.18 | caphuso | R3D5: bash prompt howto on tldp.org |
| 07:44.19 | hellz | how do i load it |
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| 07:44.26 | jim | bottom one in SYNOPSIS section |
| 07:44.28 | simonrvn | hellz: yes. if you read the help in menuconfig, it would have told you that =m means enable as module |
| 07:44.48 | simonrvn | helix: man modprobe |
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| 07:44.54 | gin_ | jim: adduser [options] user group |
| 07:44.57 | simonrvn | helix: sorry |
| 07:45.05 | simonrvn | hellz: man modprobe |
| 07:45.12 | jim | gin_: think that will add a user to a group? |
| 07:45.15 | hellz | ok |
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| 07:45.25 | gin_ | jim, yes |
| 07:45.45 | gin_ | jim, i'll add gin user to audio group |
| 07:45.46 | nicknacknuked | I use 2.4.24 kernel on my gateway, sometime i see message "eth0: Transmit error, Tx status register 82" on eth0 ( LAN interface ), will it be ok if I just upgrade to 2.6.x ? |
| 07:46.06 | jim | things inside [ ] are optional (in SYNOPSIS section) |
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| 07:46.21 | sirv | nicknacknuked: what network card? |
| 07:46.21 | simonrvn | nicknacknuked: sounds more like the nic than kernel. though it could be a kernel bug |
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| 07:46.43 | gin_ | jim, why options.. what can i put there in options ? |
| 07:46.46 | nicknacknuked | sirv: 3c59x module not sure the exact card type |
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| 07:47.19 | jim | gin_: COMMON OPTIONS section |
| 07:47.19 | nicknacknuked | simonrvn : i hope so... 2.6 compiled for quite a long time in my machine :D |
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| 07:47.31 | donw | Anyone gotten suspend2 working on a Debian 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 07:47.34 | jim | the man page is RIGHT THERE dude... |
| 07:47.43 | jim | ok, we're done now |
| 07:47.45 | gin_ | jim: ahh.. right ,, [--quiet] [--force-badname] [--help] [--version] [--conf FILE] |
| 07:47.45 | hellz | where do i find the lvs module |
| 07:48.07 | jim | mostly cause I'm hungry and I have to practice a few things |
| 07:48.07 | nicknacknuked | simonrvn : so .. it's likely a hardware problem ? |
| 07:48.08 | liable | donw: got it with kernel.org one, patch woulddnt apply on debian source for some reason. |
| 07:48.25 | gin_ | jim, so i should add with, adduser gin audio |
| 07:48.35 | gin_ | jim, right ? |
| 07:48.42 | donw | liable: I'm trying to avoid that if possible...but have a feeling I won't be able to. :( |
| 07:48.56 | liable | donw: problem with the patch? |
| 07:48.59 | crappledev | gin_: that should do it |
| 07:49.16 | simonrvn | hellz: if thatÅ› module-init-tools'modprobe you can do modprobe -l to find it. or use find /lib/modules -iname '*somename*' |
| 07:49.21 | gin_ | crappledev, ty. :) |
| 07:49.27 | gin_ | jim, ty dude. |
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| 07:49.46 | OldakQuill | Unrar has no installation candidate (apt-get)? |
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| 07:50.12 | donw | liable: Yeah. |
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| 07:50.20 | simonrvn | nicknacknuked: i suggest trying with various kernels, including a 2.4 one, then you can see if it´s the NIC or not |
| 07:50.28 | sith-R2D2 | hi |
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| 07:51.08 | jm_ | OldakQuill: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 07:51.15 | liable | !tell robin_sz about away |
| 07:51.20 | nicknacknuked | simonrvn : well... ok .. thx man. |
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| 07:52.00 | simonrvn | @wb keta_ |
| 07:52.00 | ravenbird | Welcome back keta_, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 07:52.08 | sith-R2D2 | what's a great debian gnu/linux book i can read if i am a beginning who learns fast |
| 07:52.22 | sith-R2D2 | i'm pretty good with dos and windows |
| 07:52.22 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 07:52.35 | thirst | i tried to download sarge dvd, but it seems to be only 374MB and 127MB in size.. "http://ftp.irb.hr/debian-cd/sarge/dvd/i386/" |
| 07:52.36 | crappledev | sith-R2D2: they just released the 3.1 bible |
| 07:52.37 | sith-R2D2 | debian for dummiesA? |
| 07:52.49 | sith-R2D2 | thir, wtf you doing...what country are you in? |
| 07:53.11 | jm_ | thirst: /msg dpkg dvd images |
| 07:53.14 | robin_sz | liable: fwiw, dpkg was tight, I am doing your wife |
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| 07:53.43 | sith-R2D2 | liable, who is fwiw? |
| 07:53.54 | robin_sz | for what it is worth ... |
| 07:54.13 | sith-R2D2 | liable, you're doing my wife? |
| 07:54.15 | thirst | jm_: ohk.. thanx.. |
| 07:54.20 | sith-R2D2 | i'm not even graduated from high school yet |
| 07:54.21 | sith-R2D2 | lol! |
| 07:54.43 | sith-R2D2 | crappledev, where is said 3.1 bible? online? in print |
| 07:54.48 | sith-R2D2 | / |
| 07:54.49 | sith-R2D2 | ? |
| 07:54.51 | simonrvn | @fwiw |
| 07:54.52 | ravenbird | rumour has it, fwiw is for what it's worth |
| 07:55.16 | crappledev | sith-R2D2: print |
| 07:55.23 | sith-R2D2 | o'reilly? |
| 07:55.25 | sith-R2D2 | or idg |
| 07:55.39 | hellz | simonrvn: i found lvs modules in ipv4 and issues modprobe --all ipvs, lsmod now shows ip_vs, does that mean that ip vs is installed now |
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| 07:55.58 | simonrvn | yes. man modprobe. man lsmod |
| 07:56.04 | gin_ | crappledev, it works , and i run alsaplayer and works the sound but .. i close the alsa player and run again and.. done let me permissions the group .. to hear the sound |
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| 07:56.08 | frevidar | how do I set up my video card for X? |
| 07:56.17 | gin_ | crappledev, what can be that ? |
| 07:56.35 | TinoW | frevidar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:56.46 | Triffid_Hunter | gin_: you tried it from a diff shell/session which doesn't yet know that your user is in the group? |
| 07:56.56 | TinoW | frevidar: and follow the white rabbit there |
| 07:57.04 | frevidar | tinoW: there's nothing in debian which autodetects the cad? |
| 07:57.07 | frevidar | *card |
| 07:57.14 | crappledev | gin_: what are you saying? |
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| 07:57.27 | TinoW | frevidar: sure. xfree does it |
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| 07:58.03 | nvz | frevidar: type in here /exec -o lspci | grep VGA |
| 07:58.21 | gin_ | Triffid_Hunter, i did it as root adduser and im in the same user that i add to audio |
| 07:58.28 | gin_ | Triffid_Hunter, i did it as root adduser and im in the same user that i add to audio group |
| 07:58.33 | frevidar | tinoW: I've used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and I get this error: failed to load modules pex5 and xie. |
| 07:59.04 | TinoW | frevidar: hm. looks like half installed X. did you apt-cache search pex ? |
| 07:59.26 | Triffid_Hunter | gin_: you've completely failed to understand what i just said.. type 'groups' in the console where aslaplayer or whatever doesn't work from, and see if it lists audio.. then log out and back in and try again ;) |
| 07:59.38 | jm_ | frevidar: those errors are not fatal |
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| 08:00.12 | simonrvn | no, he should log out completely. maybe running groups to see the difference in group membership though |
| 08:00.13 | nvz | I've reached the point of my day where it hurts to pay attention :P |
| 08:00.21 | frevidar | tinoW: it was working fine with my old video card. |
| 08:00.29 | simonrvn | nvz: i'm almost there |
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| 08:00.54 | TinoW | frevidar: well. now it is not :-) See also jm_ |
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| 08:01.10 | axiom242 | Running debian unstable. Why is "http://non-us.debian.org unstable/non-US/contrib Release" no longer found by apt-get? as well as " http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free"? |
| 08:01.13 | jm_ | frevidar: check X logfile (/msg dpkg X logfile) |
| 08:01.25 | TinoW | frevidar: and we (and your config) still have no Idea what card you have :) |
| 08:01.26 | Mage\work | axiom242: /topic |
| 08:01.39 | frevidar | tinoW: I remember a long time ago setting up this card I had to change the framebuffer or something. But dpkg-reconfigure doesn't seem to ask the question any more |
| 08:01.48 | gin_ | Triffid_Hunter, i have two groups check this: |
| 08:01.59 | gin_ | gin@gin:~$ groups |
| 08:01.59 | gin_ | gin audio |
| 08:02.07 | simonrvn | good |
| 08:02.09 | axiom242 | Mage\work, How about security.debian.org ? |
| 08:02.17 | nvz | simonrvn: I just watched Ellen Degeneres 'Here and Now' she said not to put of procrastinating, because you will never get around to it.. so we should keep doing it now while we have the time |
| 08:02.35 | simonrvn | oh gawds hehe |
| 08:02.41 | axiom242 | oh security works now..odd..thank you |
| 08:02.59 | gin_ | Triffid_Hunter ? |
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| 08:03.05 | frevidar | tinoW: s3virge |
| 08:03.24 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter, I have a question |
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| 08:04.00 | Azar | looking at /etc/profile, I see a script but looks awfully with C code, so what it is, C or Shell Script? |
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| 08:04.12 | sith-R2D2 | does Papa Johns use debian...i heard they use linux on their computers |
| 08:04.16 | sith-R2D2 | i want pizza |
| 08:04.18 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: what's the first line? that'll tell you ;) |
| 08:04.21 | caphuso | Azar: huh? |
| 08:04.48 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: its almost always a shell script, since its normally executed by shells when users log in... |
| 08:04.54 | nvz | sith-R2D2: how high are you right now? |
| 08:04.59 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter it defines the PATH and PS1 to be used in bash or other sh |
| 08:05.00 | wols | Azar: my /etc/profiles says this in the first line: |
| 08:05.01 | wols | # /etc/profile: system-wide .profile file for the Bourne shell (sh(1)) |
| 08:05.02 | caphuso | it is _always_ a shell script |
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| 08:05.08 | wols | does that answer your question? |
| 08:05.12 | caphuso | it can't possibly be anything else |
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| 08:05.36 | wols | caphuso: it can be anything. but if it's really C source, bash will have a damn hard time parsing it :P |
| 08:05.40 | Azar | looks like C but I dont remember to see "fi" in C code |
| 08:05.52 | tarzeau | can i generate a public key of a private key? (ssh host rsa key) |
| 08:06.18 | cahoot | Azar: how did you expect uncompiled c code to do anything? |
| 08:06.18 | caphuso | Azar: how about you go visit your local library or book store and get a unix introduction book? you're in severe need of one |
| 08:06.18 | wols | Azar: you don't remember C very well either. bash scripting and C don't look similar at all |
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| 08:06.26 | siimo | anyone using sid, runnin gnome 2.10 ? |
| 08:06.30 | Azar | wols but isnt a .file a C file? |
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| 08:06.34 | tarzeau | siimo: no |
| 08:06.43 | peanut | Hello. Where can I read about PAE on Sarge? |
| 08:06.43 | tarzeau | Azar: not necessarily |
| 08:06.53 | Azar | oh I see.. |
| 08:06.53 | sith-R2D2 | nvz, so high that i can touch the sky |
| 08:07.09 | sith-R2D2 | Azar, how ar eyou setting up your firewall...you and i are in the same camp |
| 08:07.10 | siimo | i hope they encorporate a patch for : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160080 , impossible to work without it |
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| 08:07.22 | sith-R2D2 | Azar, why are you so serious about getting a wall put up? |
| 08:07.37 | Azar | sith, it will be long until I will learn iptables, but at least I can say I am trying |
| 08:07.50 | sith-R2D2 | Azar, use FIREHOL |
| 08:07.55 | gin_ | of what part of KDE can i save the changes ? |
| 08:08.10 | Azar | sith-R2D2, I will not put a firewall I will only use iptables, eventually learning shell scripting as well |
| 08:08.12 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: ~/.files are usually saved settings, not c... |
| 08:08.43 | nomed^ | hi |
| 08:08.44 | sith-R2D2 | azar, why do you want to learn this? are you going to flight school after that? |
| 08:08.45 | frevidar | the last thing the logs say is done is loading up nvidia drivers. Then it gives an error, no screens found. I used to use a nvidia card. Now I'm using the s3virge, and I selected that in dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 08:08.54 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: iptables is an interface to the firewall... |
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| 08:09.00 | sith-R2D2 | exactly! |
| 08:09.01 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 08:09.02 | sith-R2D2 | omg |
| 08:09.09 | ondo | hi there |
| 08:09.28 | ondo | anybody whit a ppc? |
| 08:09.31 | nvz | !irritate sith-R2D2 |
| 08:09.31 | dpkg | sith-R2D2: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd lol |
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| 08:09.59 | ondo | i ve problem with cdrecorder |
| 08:10.22 | nomed^ | i made new installation with debootsrap on partition hda3 .. but during boot it stops and i can't do anything .. no error messages .. how can i check where is the problem? |
| 08:11.08 | nomed^ | i tryed also single mode but nothing changes .. |
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| 08:11.12 | ondo | When I try burning an an ISO via the command: "cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,0,0 -data test.iso" the following error scrolls down my entire screen "cdrecord: No such device or address. Cannot send SCSI |
| 08:11.12 | ondo | cmd via ioctl" |
| 08:11.22 | nomed^ | i do not really know what to do .. |
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| 08:11.42 | ondo | and then.. The CD-RW then becomes invisible to cdrecord and it remains so until the machine is rebooted. |
| 08:12.20 | Azar | reading my "Understanding Unix/Linux Programming - A guide to Theory and Practice" by Bruce Molay I can see that the "who" command is nothing else but reading a C file in /usr/include/utmp.h hence utmp |
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| 08:12.38 | sith-R2D2 | it ain't nothing but a C thang baby |
| 08:12.41 | rituraj | sarge:~# dpkg --list | grep -i mplayer |
| 08:12.41 | rituraj | iU mplayer 1.0pre7-1 the ultimate movie player |
| 08:12.48 | nvz | IIRC options like speed and dev are to be -o "option1 option2 ..." |
| 08:12.52 | rituraj | does that mean mplayer is installed? |
| 08:12.58 | sith-R2D2 | i thought pornview was ultimate. apt-get install pornview |
| 08:13.03 | rituraj | what is meaning of "U" in above? |
| 08:13.06 | caphuso | Azar: that's probably the most weird and inaccurate description of what who(1) does i've ever seen |
| 08:13.27 | caphuso | Azar: and why the hell are you reading a unix programming book if you don't understand using unix? |
| 08:13.30 | TinoW | frevidar: wow. s3virge. You really got a spaking new card ;) What was the old one? hercules? mga? |
| 08:13.38 | Azar | caphuso I must admit I am not handy in tech speeches |
| 08:13.57 | caphuso | Azar: take that book, put it back on the shelf and don't touch it in the next few months |
| 08:13.58 | empty | TinoW, paper tape |
| 08:14.05 | Azar | caphuso just trying to understand the unix/linux environment |
| 08:14.14 | caphuso | Azar: it's way above your current knowledge |
| 08:14.22 | Azar | ok caphuso, yes indeed. |
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| 08:14.24 | empty | Azar, that book is going to cause you more pain than hel you |
| 08:14.30 | empty | help |
| 08:14.33 | TinoW | empty: =:) |
| 08:14.55 | Azar | yes indeed I am not at the level of writing C programs for my shell yet |
| 08:15.09 | frevidar | what is the config file that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is suppose to modify? |
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| 08:15.10 | Azar | back to shell scripting intro then |
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| 08:15.43 | ethics | frevidar, /etc/X11/XF86config-4 |
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| 08:16.21 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter, I guess I will try to understand and configure iptables before trusting a "ready made" firewall program |
| 08:16.40 | empty | ethics, ITYM /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 08:16.42 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: excellent idea |
| 08:16.43 | sith-R2D2 | Azar, just do you do-to-do learning on a box you don't really care about |
| 08:16.51 | sith-R2D2 | Azar, keep your sensitive files elsewhere |
| 08:17.06 | Triffid_Hunter | Azar: once you've messed with it yourself a bit, you can see what the 'readymade' ones are doing, and have a fair chance of workin out why |
| 08:17.07 | frevidar | ethics: I've ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, selected s3virge as my video card, yet the config file still contains nv in the device section. |
| 08:17.12 | Triffid_Hunter | or at least looking it up ;) |
| 08:17.15 | frevidar | is that supposed to happen? |
| 08:17.17 | Azar | sith I have no files , it is just an empty install |
| 08:17.20 | TinoW | hm. when I started unix, all I knew was "ls" and "cd". Next I found out was "whatis" and next was "man" |
| 08:17.29 | empty | Azar, great idea if you know a fair amount about IP networking |
| 08:17.38 | sith-R2D2 | Azar, i don't necessarily have time to learn iptables, so i rely on scripts others wrote...because i use my computer to do things that aren't related to computers...like my work...i'm not in the computer field |
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| 08:18.06 | sith-R2D2 | Azar, so if you have an empty box, why do you care about it getting hacked? |
| 08:18.20 | sith-R2D2 | Azar, once you learn enough you're going to want to wipe your system clean and reinstall debian anyway |
| 08:18.30 | caphuso | my first contact with unix was stopped rather suddenly by not knowing what i should do with that "login:" thing |
| 08:18.37 | Azar | empty, I am still struggling to learn how to calculate subnet masks in binary.. but basic I know ports, IPs |
| 08:18.56 | sith-R2D2 | Azar, lol...go get computer networks by tanenbaum |
| 08:19.01 | empty | my first contact was "lynx" over 9600baud modem to the local U, they had a book catalog |
| 08:19.01 | sith-R2D2 | subnet masks are simple |
| 08:19.03 | Azar | sith-R2D2 because I am not going to trust the box with my files unless I know is secure |
| 08:19.15 | empty | ...and a newsfeed O_o |
| 08:19.21 | resiak | !tell frevidar -about xmd5 |
| 08:19.25 | sith-R2D2 | Azar, like i said...just don't put your personal files on your expreimental linux box |
| 08:20.04 | Azar | sith-R2D2 53 reinstalls so far so I will not worry about this issue |
| 08:20.15 | sith-R2D2 | you reinstalled debian 53 times? |
| 08:20.16 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 08:20.28 | sith-R2D2 | are you a college student? or in high school still? |
| 08:20.30 | Azar | yes that what a newbie usually does |
| 08:20.41 | sith-R2D2 | i'm a n00b and i only installed debian twice |
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| 08:21.00 | Azar | well I am more n00b than you then, 51 times more |
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| 08:21.14 | sith-R2D2 | if you're still in high school, go to college first, take the core engineering courses, take the CS courses take some EE courses |
| 08:21.20 | resiak | Why so many? |
| 08:21.29 | sith-R2D2 | then you will be well-equipped to learn what you want |
| 08:21.38 | Shadur | Azar: I've done thirty-odd debian installs so far. Most of them actually weren't reinstalls. |
| 08:21.40 | sith-R2D2 | in fact, many of those classes will require you to learn what you want to learn |
| 08:21.43 | Azar | because when I do not know how to fix a bork , I reinstall |
| 08:21.48 | jbmigel | who need to learn stuff when you can reinstall in 30 mins lol |
| 08:21.48 | Shadur | Just setting up new servers at the workplace. :) |
| 08:21.52 | caphuso | Azar: that's stupid |
| 08:22.01 | Shadur | Azar: That's windows idiot thinking. |
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| 08:22.08 | caphuso | you'll never learn anything that way |
| 08:22.10 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 08:22.13 | jbmigel | brb reboot |
| 08:22.16 | jbmigel | lmao |
| 08:22.23 | resiak | omg!!!1111 |
| 08:22.26 | sith-R2D2 | like the windows users who cannot get a computer game to work...so they reinstall windows first |
| 08:22.36 | Shadur | Something breaks, you look at the error, google, then come here, and we'll try and help you troubleshoot, then point you to the docs you need to fix what went wrong, and so you learn. |
| 08:22.38 | Azar | I never reinstalled windows |
| 08:22.41 | sith-R2D2 | you should |
| 08:22.51 | sith-R2D2 | Azar, the dark side you need |
| 08:22.56 | Azar | why if it is working? |
| 08:22.56 | sith-R2D2 | play with windows |
| 08:23.00 | sith-R2D2 | just to see how evil it is |
| 08:23.05 | Shadur | Azar: You should - windows all but *requires* a complete wipe and reinstall every six months or so to keep it clean. |
| 08:23.16 | sith-R2D2 | Shadur, NOT TRUE |
| 08:23.18 | Shadur | Azar: When's the last time you checked for spyware, virii and the lot? |
| 08:23.24 | sith-R2D2 | if you admin windows properly you'll never have to reinstall it |
| 08:23.26 | jbmigel | but debian only need reinstall every 3 years after new stable release lol |
| 08:23.26 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 08:23.29 | Azar | not mine, I have it for 3 years now, and never had a blink on it |
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| 08:23.42 | caphuso | jbmigel: wrong. you simply upgrade |
| 08:23.43 | sith-R2D2 | Shadur, if you keep windows admin'd well, it don't need reinstalls...trust me |
| 08:23.46 | Azar | I am not defending mswindows, but I never needed to reinstall |
| 08:24.10 | jbmigel | caphuso i know i was making joke... debian upgrades are awesome compared to all other distros i think.. even gentoo |
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| 08:24.30 | sith-R2D2 | the problem with windows is that most people run XP HOME or Pro using the root account on a daily basis...so anything on the net can basically hook into their machine |
| 08:24.36 | sith-R2D2 | apt-get owns |
| 08:24.38 | sith-R2D2 | period |
| 08:24.53 | Azar | I am sure if that would be the case I will never be able to reinstall windows, but with Debian I do it with no problems, reinstall takes only 30 min |
| 08:24.55 | jbmigel | are we supposed to use aptitude now or what? like is it really better? |
| 08:24.56 | Shadur | sith-R2D2: I don't use it for anything other than a handful of games, so I'm fairly low-risk on it. I tend to switch to linux before downloading, well, most anything. |
| 08:24.56 | boycer | when did this become #windows/ |
| 08:25.04 | sith-R2D2 | i finally do not have to manually update every program, or surf the www to get an application i need |
| 08:25.05 | boycer | s\//\? |
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| 08:25.44 | Azar | I think there is nothing shameful about reinstalling Debian |
| 08:25.48 | windowmaker | i came in here yesterday for help with my sound server, it worked, but today i start up my comp and it doesn't work anymore |
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| 08:26.13 | boycer | jbmigel: I think so... better than dselect you mean? |
| 08:26.20 | cahoot | Azar: you might consider some fundamental flaw in the use patterna after the first 20 or so reinstalls |
| 08:26.24 | liable | windowmaker: the modules loaded etc? |
| 08:26.31 | nicknacknuked | windowmaker : alsa ? |
| 08:26.37 | sith-R2D2 | cahoot, i think he made 53 installs for multiple clients |
| 08:26.42 | sith-R2D2 | like for his work |
| 08:26.45 | Azar | cahoot what is "use patterna" ? |
| 08:26.46 | windowmaker | liable: OSS was working yesterday, there is no dsp n /dev |
| 08:26.46 | sith-R2D2 | not on one box |
| 08:26.50 | jbmigel | boycer no i mean is aptitude better than apt-get... what is difference? |
| 08:27.04 | cahoot | Azar: typo for pattern |
| 08:27.16 | beardy | jbmigel: "Better" is in the eyes/ears/hands of the one using something. Aptitude is nice to "browse" the packagelist, and works well. I've used it since I first "discovered" it. |
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| 08:27.30 | boycer | jbmigel: IIRC aptitude is a front-end for apt-get, which is a front end for dpkg... n'es pas? |
| 08:27.40 | Azar | cahoot I do not understand, you mean that with each reinstall the OS is degrading or something? |
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| 08:28.06 | cahoot | Azar: not the os - but please disregard |
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| 08:28.13 | Azar | ok |
| 08:28.17 | boycer | jbmigel: suck it and see! |
| 08:28.21 | Azar | sorry I did not understand your sentence |
| 08:28.36 | jbmigel | boycer well why does apt-get need a front end? I have found it workes good for me. But when i aptitude update && aptitude upgrade there seems to be more output of checks and stuff... maybe it does some extra steps? |
| 08:29.11 | windowmaker | liable: OSS was working yesterday, there is no dsp in /dev |
| 08:29.17 | jbmigel | p.s. you suck it |
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| 08:29.54 | boycer | jbmigel: aptitude handles dependencies better. Also it's very handy for browsing the package list. And it remembers what packages were installed to satisfy dependencies, and removes them after the thing that depended on them is removed. Or something. It's good though, use it. |
| 08:30.33 | liable | windowmaker: yes, well is the modules for your sound loaded? |
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| 08:30.42 | boycer | jbmigel: but if you're happy just using apt-get, just use that! Nobody will mind. |
| 08:30.48 | jbmigel | boycer ya thats what i wanted to know... I try to use it now because it's the new thing but i find it hard to get my hands to type it, they shouldnt have started it with an "a" again lol |
| 08:30.52 | windowmaker | liable: how do i check? porbably not |
| 08:30.55 | directhex|work | windowmaker, which kernel? |
| 08:31.09 | windowmaker | directthex|work: 2.6.11.11 |
| 08:31.11 | sith-R2D2 | how come girls don't like me more because i use debian |
| 08:31.11 | liable | windowmaker: lsmod |
| 08:31.14 | sith-R2D2 | how does it change anything |
| 08:31.16 | directhex|work | windowmaker, modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 08:31.21 | nicknacknuked | alsaconf is the best. |
| 08:31.33 | sith-R2D2 | well, microsoft isn't spying on me anymore. but that's all that's different. and i get software for free |
| 08:31.35 | windowmaker | directthex|work: i did that yesterday, and now it doesn't work, will i ahve to do that everyday? |
| 08:31.39 | sith-R2D2 | so that's debian for you |
| 08:31.46 | sith-R2D2 | or is it? |
| 08:31.47 | directhex|work | windowmaker, you could add it to /etc/modules |
| 08:31.52 | beardy | jbmigel: You have defined lazy ;) "apti<TAB>" that's not _that_ hard to type. |
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| 08:32.19 | directhex|work | sith-R2D2, this is a rather random troll. but my girlfriend perfers debian to macosx, so perhaps you're just ugly |
| 08:32.23 | windowmaker | directhex|work: what do you mean? |
| 08:32.34 | boycer | beardy: I was going to sugest aliasing 'ap' to 'aptitude'... that's lazy! |
| 08:32.40 | directhex|work | windowmaker, i mean you add "snd-pcm-oss" to /etc/modules |
| 08:32.40 | resiak | jbmigel: Alternatively, alias ati to aptitude install . |
| 08:32.52 | beardy | boycer: :) |
| 08:33.00 | jbmigel | beardy buts thats the same number of letters as apt-g<tab> so why bother :P |
| 08:33.02 | windowmaker | directhex|work: oh i get it, i think, is modules a text file? |
| 08:33.11 | directhex|work | windowmaker, yes. yes it is. |
| 08:33.21 | jm_ | windowmaker: man modules |
| 08:33.27 | beardy | jbmigel: alias it to 'a' then :) |
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| 08:33.42 | windowmaker | done ^_^... lets check the sound |
| 08:33.49 | jbmigel | resiak, beardy thats a good idea |
| 08:33.53 | nicknacknuked | windowmaker : why not just apt-get install discover and let it do the rest for u ? |
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| 08:34.05 | resiak | !u |
| 08:34.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:34.07 | windowmaker | nicknacknuked: okiedokie |
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| 08:34.16 | directhex|work | nicknacknuked, discover does not load snd-pcm-oss. |
| 08:34.17 | sith-R2D2 | directhex|work, i don't hthink you understood the true meaning of my statements |
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| 08:34.35 | directhex|work | windowmaker, disregard nicknacknuked's statement |
| 08:34.52 | windowmaker | directhex|work: too late :( |
| 08:35.01 | sith-R2D2 | directhex|work, what i meant was that we spend lots of time tinkering with debian...but to what end? i know i could do the same things with m$ but for some reason i seek the challenge of using linux. plus i like the fact i' not being spied on by m$ |
| 08:35.12 | nicknacknuked | directhex|work : well i thought if it's modules ... discover always do it nicely. |
| 08:35.15 | sith-R2D2 | directhex|work, but is there deeper meaning to folks using linux? aside from oss |
| 08:35.45 | henryb | i like that once set up, a system is usually finished and working. with ms, i tend to do 'maintenance' of one form of another far more |
| 08:35.54 | boycer | Is there a R. Stallman in the house? |
| 08:36.03 | directhex|work | nicknacknuked, it doesn't load optional modules, it simply loads things based on pci id |
| 08:36.07 | jbmigel | sith-R2D2 i think you crazy to look for deper meaning on os. the price is right and it works |
| 08:36.15 | sith-R2D2 | henryb, i think you're right...windoze does have more maintenance |
| 08:36.30 | sith-R2D2 | jbmigel, i get windows software for free from my institution |
| 08:36.34 | sith-R2D2 | yet i run |
| 08:36.35 | henryb | sith-R2D2, but i would say *in general* on new hardware, a linux system will be more work to get going |
| 08:36.48 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: the fact that girls don't like you has less to do with your choice of OS than you might think. |
| 08:37.02 | henryb | but really, a one time expenditure learning about your hardware is worth it by _far_ |
| 08:37.05 | boycer | but it must *mean* something... otherwise... <whimper> |
| 08:37.18 | sith-R2D2 | Guerin, lol...i like to refer to girls because it's funny. obvious girls have nothing to do with a man's OS |
| 08:37.27 | sith-R2D2 | please |
| 08:37.30 | jbmigel | I think we should all move to freeBSD they have BSD chicks everythere |
| 08:37.32 | windowmaker | directhex|work: it's till not working, and what does discover do anyway? |
| 08:37.33 | beardy | There probably is some nice speechcontrol package, so you can just say 'a', to start aptitude, but a wireless connection behind the ear to be able to think commands is probably nicer. A good project, it someone isnät already working in it, the thsh, think/thought-shell. |
| 08:37.42 | sith-R2D2 | jbmigel, yes, BSDchicks |
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| 08:37.45 | sith-R2D2 | i like it like |
| 08:37.58 | bbrazil | beardy: and if you think a semicolon wrong? |
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| 08:38.35 | beardy | bbrazil: Same as always I suppose, think it again, and right this time.. :) |
| 08:38.36 | boycer | beardy: But if you mishear someone, and say 'Eh?'.... |
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| 08:38.58 | sith-R2D2 | hahah |
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| 08:39.06 | directhex|work | windowmaker, discover1 scans your hardware on boot, and loads modules accordingly. it's part of a base sarge install. |
| 08:39.07 | boycer | beardy: think of the mayhem caused by a daydream!! Dear Lord! |
| 08:39.24 | sith-R2D2 | everytime i log onto freenode.irc i see the pie chart...i just realized it's a pie graph...i always thought it was the Yin-Yang symbol. lol! |
| 08:39.30 | beardy | boycer: thsh: eh?: command not found |
| 08:39.35 | directhex|work | windowmaker, run alsamixer, and un-mute your master mixer (and turn up the volume) |
| 08:39.35 | bbrazil | beardy: eh is a program on this system |
| 08:39.39 | windowmaker | directhex|work: oaky, games in cedega have sound now, and so does GAIM... xmms doesn't work even if i change plugins, and i use KDE, so how can i get arts support? |
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| 08:39.46 | Guerin | beardy: work on your language pattern recognition, first. |
| 08:40.12 | sith-R2D2 | quit |
| 08:40.13 | directhex|work | windowmaker, i don't deal with arts. you'll have to work it out |
| 08:40.17 | jethro | @annoy me |
| 08:40.18 | ravenbird | jethro: bash: RTFM: command not found!!!!! |
| 08:40.19 | boycer | beardy: though maybe 'eh?' eq 'a' in speakshell |
| 08:40.47 | nicknacknuked | windowmaker : is it oss / alsa ? |
| 08:40.59 | nicknacknuked | :)) |
| 08:41.19 | Azar | hi Guerin |
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| 08:41.36 | directhex|work | nicknacknuked, alsa with oss compatability loaded |
| 08:41.50 | windowmaker | nicknacknuked: no idea, they just told me to do some stuff... and now some stuff works... (sorry for the terrible explanation) |
| 08:41.54 | windowmaker | oh |
| 08:42.08 | nicknacknuked | directhex|work , windowmaker : well.. will alsaconf help ? |
| 08:42.09 | beardy | boycer: Depends on your spoken language. |
| 08:42.29 | directhex|work | nicknacknuked, no, it won't. he already has the modules loaded, which is lasaconf's job |
| 08:42.30 | Azar | Triffid_Hunter, man, so frustrating I am not able to do a simple shell script to customize "ls" |
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| 08:42.38 | liable | windowmaker: now run 'alsactl store' |
| 08:42.41 | windowmaker | okay |
| 08:42.49 | boycer | beardy: that's another thing - would thsh have to deal with locales? It's an important question. |
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| 08:42.52 | windowmaker | cmd not found! |
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| 08:42.59 | windowmaker | liable: cmd not found! |
| 08:43.00 | Guerin | !annoy windowmaker |
| 08:43.03 | liable | as root |
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| 08:43.07 | Guerin | !irritate windowmaker |
| 08:43.08 | nicknacknuked | directhex|work : sorry i didn't read that he's already run alsaconf.. |
| 08:43.08 | dpkg | windowmaker: hi every1 who uses cable lol |
| 08:43.13 | windowmaker | gpk: yo |
| 08:43.21 | windowmaker | liable: it was as root |
| 08:43.22 | beardy | boycer: Of course. All locales would have to be supported. |
| 08:43.29 | michal_ | is there a way to check the integrity of a debian dvd from within windows? |
| 08:43.37 | jethro | michal_: md5 |
| 08:44.03 | liable | windowmaker: you have alsa-utils installed, or using a gnome or kde app? |
| 08:44.13 | resiak | !tell windowmaker -about installit |
| 08:44.35 | nicknacknuked | alsaconf first unload any loaded sound modules, kill all sound related apps, then re-detect the cards, load apropriate modules, then save the config to /etc/modules, at least that's what happened on my box. |
| 08:44.50 | windowmaker | liable: whaaat? im still new |
| 08:44.50 | jm_ | michal_: fsum.exe is a free tool for Windows that does MD% checks (and many more) |
| 08:44.56 | boycer | beardy: there might be a privacy issue here - imagine not keyloggers but thoughtloggers. Urk. |
| 08:45.22 | nicknacknuked | windowmaker : apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 08:45.29 | michal_ | hmm.. i have an md5sum checker but i don't think it works unless the file has an md5 extension.. |
| 08:45.36 | michal_ | might have to gram fsum then |
| 08:45.55 | beardy | boycer: Yeah.. we're probably better off without it.. only to be used in underground leadbunkers for testing purposes. |
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| 08:46.44 | Zrin | i used mkisofs -R -J -o backup.dvd /backup/current, with /backup/current containing just -rw-r--r-- 1 root Admin 4184195378 2005-05-24 22:06 vm.tgz |
| 08:46.47 | boycer | beardy: just have to stick with "apti<tab>" for now then... sigh |
| 08:47.05 | Zrin | when i mount the image or created DVD i get -rw-r--r-- 1 root Admin 6668594 2005-05-24 22:06 vm.tgz |
| 08:47.30 | jm_ | Zrin: so? |
| 08:47.39 | Zrin | the file was almost 4 GiB, now i'm getting 6 MiB ?!? |
| 08:47.43 | beardy | boycer: Yes. Life is hard. |
| 08:47.51 | Zrin | jm_ look at the file size! |
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| 08:47.56 | directhex|work | Zrin, mkisofs doesn't correctly manage files over 2gb |
| 08:47.56 | jm_ | Zrin: mkisofs doesn't work with big files |
| 08:48.16 | directhex|work | Zrin, it's POSSIBLE to bypass it, but, well, it's extremely non-trivial |
| 08:48.19 | Zrin | oh :-( ... how to circumvent this? |
| 08:48.26 | jm_ | Zrin: split the file or use UDF |
| 08:48.46 | directhex|work | Zrin, http://www.lemoncube.com/412.html |
| 08:48.51 | Zrin | i'm backing up a virtual machine ... |
| 08:49.01 | Zrin | directhex|work thx |
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| 08:49.35 | Azar | if I write an incorrect shell script how can I delete it? the manual does not show this scenario.. |
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| 08:50.14 | beardy | Azar: If you're writing shellscripts, surely you must know how to delete files? |
| 08:50.20 | directhex|work | Zrin, no problem. i just hope jorg "i'm too good for your silly gnu tools, you must use my custom make app to bypass my purposely mangled makefiles" schilling gets around to a proper joliet implementation at some point - though since it would curb sales of his closed-source payware versions of his tools, i doubt it |
| 08:50.28 | michal_ | ok.. what does it mean if a whole bunch of md5sums fail |
| 08:50.38 | michal_ | despite the fact that there seems to be nothing wrong |
| 08:50.39 | Azar | beardy, I will write shell scripts inside a created file? |
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| 08:50.41 | Guerin | michal_: things are not what they seem |
| 08:50.50 | Azar | I thought they go directly at command line.. |
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| 08:51.21 | michal_ | guerin: so what? debian mirrors have been hacked? :P |
| 08:51.38 | empty | Azar, shell commands go to a command line and a script is a set of commands |
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| 08:51.58 | michal_ | the md5sum.txt doesn't make sense |
| 08:52.04 | michal_ | a whole bunch of files are even missing |
| 08:52.08 | Azar | empty, so how do I write a shell script? I create a file and write it with an editor? |
| 08:52.14 | Zrin | directhex|work is there an alternative to cdrecord-prodvd? |
| 08:52.16 | empty | Azar, you can get a new line without executing your command with Ctrl-C or use Ctrl-W to kill the last word on the line |
| 08:52.40 | directhex|work | Zrin, the mkudffs instructions i already gave you. over than that..... maybe nerolinux |
| 08:53.04 | Azar | thanks empty |
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| 08:53.08 | michal_ | is there any REAL way to test the integrity of a debian dvd given that the md5sum.txt is rubbish? :/ |
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| 08:53.25 | empty | Azar, yes, you would do so... The key is a) have a shebang line at the top detailing what kind of script (#!/bin/sh usually) and b) make it executable with chmod... but focus on commands for now man seriously |
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| 08:55.19 | Guerin | michal_: hahaha |
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| 08:55.53 | Guerin | michal_: if you think the md5s on debian.org are wrong, tell the debian-devel mailing list |
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| 08:56.43 | michal_ | guerin: well jigdo happily verifies the iso as correct but many md5sum.txt don't match and some files in the md5sum.txt don't even exist |
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| 08:56.59 | Guerin | michal_: as I said; don't tell me. I don't care. |
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| 08:57.11 | gromf | hello everybody ! |
| 08:57.22 | Guerin | But if you're right, I bet the people who maintain the mirrors will care. |
| 08:57.33 | michal_ | guerin: well you were disagreeing.. wouldn't be any other point in laughing. but i'll put in a bug report |
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| 08:57.41 | beardy | Azar: '/msg dpkg reference' When you feel comfortable on the command line, and want to try writing some scripts to make your life easier, or whatever the reason, install the 'abs-guide' package and read it. |
| 08:57.47 | michal_ | debs don't have any internal integrity mechanism yet do they? |
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| 08:58.36 | gromf | has someone an ICH6 chipset on a laptop ? |
| 08:58.52 | bucky | michal_, yes they do |
| 08:58.58 | Coke | gromf: if somebody is selling it I'm sure somebody has it |
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| 08:59.05 | michal_ | bucky: since when? a few months aggo they didn't |
| 08:59.31 | gromf | Coke: sure, but I'd like to know if someone has it well working... |
| 08:59.38 | bucky | michal_, how long have you been using debian? |
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| 08:59.52 | michal_ | bucky: about 8 years |
| 09:00.17 | Azar | empty thanks, and I also found a specific tutorial on shell scripting, yes I need to create files. |
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| 09:03.45 | Guerin | michal_: are you serious? |
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| 09:04.31 | Zyr^fruhstuck0rn | is there a way to change the file-creation-timestamp? |
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| 09:04.45 | liable | why? |
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| 09:05.07 | Guerin | haxx0ring |
| 09:05.18 | liable | thats what I was thinking |
| 09:05.22 | Jarod51 | Hi |
| 09:05.26 | hxizan_ | how do I add a file to debian install cd iso file? |
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| 09:05.48 | nomed^ | do you know what is the difference between having /sbin/hotplug or /sbin/udesend in /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug? |
| 09:05.53 | Guerin | hxizan_: you copy all the files off, put another file in, and run mkisofs again |
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| 09:06.31 | fbeyer | Zyr^fruhstuck0rn: RTFM! |
| 09:06.34 | Jarod51 | I have one question with apt-get. When i do a apt-get update, i always have the same packet that want to upgrade, even if my system is up to date. Do you know where it comes from ? |
| 09:06.34 | hxizan_ | Guerin: I mean put one file to cd iso image |
| 09:07.04 | hxizan_ | Guerin: and it should boot like a normal install cd |
| 09:07.41 | bucky | Zyr^fruhstuck0rn, use touch |
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| 09:09.49 | Azar | thanks beardy |
| 09:10.00 | Azar | ok is working nice |
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| 09:10.54 | michal_ | guerin: I think i've uncovered the problem.. the md5sum check doesn't work from windows.. and i asked for a way to check the integrity of a disk from within windows. |
| 09:11.10 | nomed^ | i was wandering if you could just tell me your opinion .. is /sbin/udevsend something related to hotplug .. reading the man it seems so .. but not really clear |
| 09:11.21 | bernouli | i want to install debian, i go to this site http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst ,but cant find the download |
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| 09:11.51 | bernouli | !dpkg netinst |
| 09:11.51 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
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| 09:13.06 | Zyr^fruhstuck0rn | bucky: thx |
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| 09:17.02 | bernouli | i downloaded the .img files, what should i do with them? |
| 09:17.10 | TinoW | bernouli: rm? :) |
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| 09:17.16 | henryb | heh |
| 09:17.17 | liable | erm, burn them? |
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| 09:18.00 | nicknacknuked | I tried to use arpd, it said i don't have /dev/arpd, but it is actually exist.. do I have to create manually or what ? |
| 09:18.02 | nicknacknuked | Jun 17 17:16:36 firesatu arpd[26068]: Initializing, version 1.0.2 |
| 09:18.03 | nicknacknuked | Jun 17 17:16:36 firesatu arpd[26068]: cannot open /dev/arpd: No such device or address |
| 09:18.03 | nicknacknuked | firesatu:~# dir /dev/arpd |
| 09:18.03 | nicknacknuked | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 36, 8 Apr 16 12:37 /dev/arpd |
| 09:18.08 | TinoW | bernouli: it depends on what they are supposed to contain. If disk images, you write them to disks: dd if=foo.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 09:18.21 | liable | bernouli: look in the installation manual for how to write them to floppies |
| 09:18.32 | bernouli | TinoW: thanks |
| 09:18.38 | bernouli | liable: i am reading it now |
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| 09:19.02 | liable | theres another option you have to give, but cant remember |
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| 09:20.45 | bernouli | if i want to install it with ftp, which image should i download, floopy or netboot? |
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| 09:21.36 | Zap-W | Err http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages , Bad header line [IP: 208.185.25.35 80] |
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| 09:22.09 | bucky | !ping |
| 09:22.09 | dpkg | pong |
| 09:22.14 | Mayday81 | bernouli : I would suggest basecd |
| 09:23.22 | bernouli | Mayday81: i dont have cdrom |
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| 09:25.12 | Azar | why is \c displaying on execution of my shell script for this line, instead of Day? echo "Today is \c ";date |
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| 09:25.55 | hellz | hi, what is the ipawfdm command in iptables? |
| 09:25.58 | Azar | it gives output: Today is \c Sat Jan 5 15:18:56 PST 2002 |
| 09:26.34 | bucky | bernouli, get the three floppy net install images |
| 09:27.00 | sKaBoy | Azar, echo -e "Today is \c";date |
| 09:27.03 | bucky | root boot and net-install |
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| 09:27.40 | rss | hellz, man ipawfdm |
| 09:28.09 | hellz | in 2.4.7 kernel tells that it doesn't support |
| 09:29.18 | bernouli | bucky, there is no net-install, but net-drivers.img |
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| 09:29.28 | bucky | that's it |
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| 09:29.34 | jm_ | ipfwadm was relevant for 2.0 kernels |
| 09:29.40 | Azar | thanks sKaBoy |
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| 09:29.43 | jm_ | you should migrate to iptables |
| 09:30.11 | Azar | it is obvious my date/time are incorrect how do I change them? |
| 09:30.20 | jm_ | /msg dpkg set time |
| 09:30.55 | Azar | thanks jm_ |
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| 09:31.03 | bernouli | bucky, i try using rawrite3 to make the image, but there is a problem: "can't figure out how many sectors/track for diskette" |
| 09:31.23 | bucky | !badgersmite jm_ |
| 09:32.24 | bucky | bernouli, does it ask what kind of disc it is?... been a while since i used it.. 1.44 double sided high density |
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| 09:33.26 | bernouli | bucky, it asks for img file, the drive to be used, i give it everything |
| 09:33.55 | bucky | like a:\root.img |
| 09:34.10 | bucky | no C:\root.img |
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| 09:34.39 | bucky | i don't know.. i love rawrite |
| 09:35.09 | wigwam | I tried to install etch amd64 from netinstall-CD. Everything goes well with the installation. But on the first boot, init says something like: |
| 09:35.10 | wigwam | pivot_root: file or directory not found |
| 09:35.10 | wigwam | dev/console: file not found |
| 09:35.10 | wigwam | Do I have to mount devfs or something? |
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| 09:35.58 | wigwam | sorry. new irc client... |
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| 09:36.15 | bucky | is there an etch amd64 ? |
| 09:36.20 | wigwam | yep |
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| 09:36.50 | bucky | what kind of sata controller ? |
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| 09:38.02 | CoffeeMan | what is the new testing distro release called? |
| 09:38.12 | jethro | CoffeeMan: etch |
| 09:38.17 | bucky | bernouli, try to use the bernouli principle on it |
| 09:38.19 | CoffeeMan | thx |
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| 09:39.16 | yazid_work | thought the bernoulli princliple was something about physics and about how things suck |
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| 09:39.48 | liable | its about pressure iirc |
| 09:40.03 | bucky | p + qv2/2 + qgy = constant |
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| 09:40.34 | notty | how can i create an empty 100mb file ? |
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| 09:40.45 | yazid_work | dimly remembering something about vacuum pumps.. the kind of equipment that is supposed to suck. |
| 09:40.49 | Mayday81 | notty touch? |
| 09:41.15 | notty | touch can do that ? |
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| 09:41.35 | wigwam | notty: man dd |
| 09:42.07 | bucky | notty, what for a temporary swap file? |
| 09:42.20 | notty | i want to test the band on the server.. |
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| 09:42.35 | notty | so download a 100mb file will be a good thing for users to do... |
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| 09:43.34 | wigwam | notty: dd if=/dev/random of=blah.100mb.file bs=1024 count=100000 |
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| 09:43.49 | caphuso | bad idea |
| 09:43.51 | caphuso | very bad idea |
| 09:44.02 | Ich_ | hello, for some reason my screen won't lock when i select "lock session" on the menu in KDE |
| 09:44.10 | Ich_ | is there a command that would do this for me? |
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| 09:44.15 | notty | it's an wan .. not internet |
| 09:44.20 | caphuso | wigwam: that command will take weeks to finish |
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| 09:44.34 | lest | hi there, how do I list all nicks in a chan withe relative hostnames? |
| 09:44.38 | notty | speed should be like 6-7 MB/s so that should do it |
| 09:45.00 | wigwam | sorry. notty take urandom... |
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| 09:46.33 | Ich_ | is there a "lock session" command i can use? KDE won't lock when i select that button |
| 09:46.33 | caphuso | i'd try something like perl -we 'open(FH, "> emptyfile"); seek(FH, 100*1024**2, 1); print FH "\n";' first |
| 09:46.33 | liable | why not just use a directory off the machine? |
| 09:46.33 | Ick | how do i lock my session? |
| 09:46.33 | wigwam | notty: so exactly it would be: dd if=/dev/urandom of=blah.100mb.file bs=1024 count=102400 |
| 09:46.33 | notty | thx wigwam |
| 09:46.33 | bobbens | Ick: you can use xscreensaver, but there was another way, i forget |
| 09:46.41 | caphuso | mine's faster |
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| 09:46.45 | wigwam | caphuso: then you'd not have a random data in the file. The download would be compressed. |
| 09:47.01 | caphuso | wigwam: it's compressed anyway |
| 09:47.11 | wigwam | if it is random data it is very badly compressed. |
| 09:47.22 | caphuso | so? |
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| 09:47.37 | wigwam | so you can measure throughput without compression. |
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| 09:47.53 | caphuso | wigwam: uh |
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| 09:48.07 | caphuso | wigwam: bandwidth is exactly the same |
| 09:48.09 | Ick | bobbens: how would i use xscreensaver, then? |
| 09:48.45 | wigwam | caphuso: i thought notty wanted to measure time for the 100mb download. And time would be shorter for a compressed download. |
| 09:48.48 | caphuso | if you pump 6MiB/sec of highly compressed data or 6MiB/sec of badly compressed data makes no difference whatsoever |
| 09:49.22 | notty | no need to argue.. the file created is just what i needed |
| 09:49.23 | notty | :) |
| 09:49.49 | wigwam | we don't argue... we're pimpin' our knowledge ;) |
| 09:49.51 | bobbens | Ick: you get it and run xscreensaver & xscreensaver-demo to configure it. You can just use a blank screen for screen saver and make it so that it locks session at 0 minutes, and screensaver go at 10 minutes, so every 10 minutes of inactivity it blocks your session, you just type the current user password to unblock it. there is an easier command, but i'm forgetting about it |
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| 09:51.01 | notty | and another thing.. i asked before but i will ask again for the final decision.. what program do you recomand for backup on CD-R, let's say once a week and back-up only the new created / modified files ? |
| 09:51.03 | bernouli | bucky, fdimage works fine |
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| 09:56.24 | liberion_ | hey guys what are all the programs besides build essentials that i need to build debian packages |
| 09:56.59 | peterS | what language is the word 'ubuntu' from? |
| 09:57.12 | liberion_ | peterS, african |
| 09:57.15 | peterS | does anyone know? all I can get is that it's an "ancient african word" |
| 09:57.31 | peterS | which I suppose narrows it down because most African languages are only a few hundred years old |
| 09:57.52 | dushtabuddhi | peterS, your q better asked on #ubuntu :) |
| 09:58.07 | peterS | dushtabuddhi: I know but I hate to just join a channel for the purpose of asking a single question. I was hoping someone here might know |
| 09:58.09 | wigwam | ...or see wikipedia |
| 09:58.21 | liberion_ | peterS, try reading desmond tutus book ubuntu i geuss |
| 09:58.26 | bobbens | wikipedia has alll these things |
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| 09:59.23 | peterS | ah, zulu / xhosa. yeah, those are a bit older than most african languages |
| 09:59.46 | liberion_ | what are the build tools i need besides build-essential to build deb packages |
| 10:00.00 | jm_ | liberion: apt-get build-dep foo |
| 10:00.45 | cusco | is here somebody with sarge that is running amule? |
| 10:00.55 | jethro | no |
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| 10:01.06 | cusco | why not? |
| 10:01.11 | cyrille_ | hi all |
| 10:01.20 | cusco | hi |
| 10:01.25 | jethro | cusco: don't do bad polls |
| 10:01.52 | liable | !aussiesmite jethro |
| 10:01.53 | dpkg | jethro: shut up ya bloody yank or i'll cut your acres off! |
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| 10:02.20 | cyrille_ | I've got a problem to mount an MMC card using an scsi card reader. I supposed it could be automounted by hotplug, but it is not. where should I search? |
| 10:02.27 | liberion_ | jm_, no no ive got the code i just need to know if i need something else beside build essential ill show you the error im getting |
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| 10:03.18 | liberion_ | jm |
| 10:03.24 | liberion_ | jm_, dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| 10:03.24 | liberion_ | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is |
| 10:03.49 | jm_ | hmm upgraded to firefox 1.0.4 and now some site shows fucked up fonts |
| 10:03.57 | jm_ | liberion_: well you need that file |
| 10:04.31 | jethro | !frenchsmite liable |
| 10:05.18 | liberion_ | jm_, so i guess move the change log where is needs to be thanx |
| 10:05.28 | jm_ | liberion_: no, this is not the regular Changelog file |
| 10:05.32 | jm_ | heh |
| 10:05.35 | liable | hah |
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| 10:06.38 | liable | hmm, sarge bugs must be down, nothing to upgrade for a while. |
| 10:06.46 | AciD|Wrk | oi |
| 10:06.58 | jm_ | Sarge is stable, what are you expecting to upgrade? |
| 10:07.03 | liable | guess it must actually be quite stable |
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| 10:07.10 | caphuso | liable: congratulations for catching up with the rest of the world |
| 10:07.21 | jm_ | and there are problems with security infrastructure AFAIK |
| 10:07.22 | liable | yes thankyou |
| 10:07.50 | liberion_ | jm_, sorry |
| 10:07.51 | jm_ | perfect for current discussion: http://img228.echo.cx/img228/2955/kitteh3ze.jpg |
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| 10:09.58 | budluva | can someone give some suggestions to my dvd burning problem? i have no problem burning dvd images in k3b, but for some reason i can't burn over 6X, i have 8x media and a 16x drive, the last pack of dvd+r's i bought were 16x discs and they only burnt at 4x, now these 8x dvd-r's will only burn at 6x, is there something i have setup wrong with k3b/debian somewhere? i've check my k3b settings over and over and i cant see anything |
| 10:10.03 | fishdot | Hi, is it possible to activate sudoers in Debian 3.1 sarge? |
| 10:10.14 | jethro | fishdot: apt-get install sudo |
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| 10:11.14 | fishdot | jethro: Thanks. :-) |
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| 10:12.17 | Thanatermesis | how to send a "STOP" signal in killall ? |
| 10:12.26 | jm_ | man killall |
| 10:12.46 | Thanatermesis | Im looking and not understand :/ |
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| 10:12.55 | jm_ | [-s,--signal signal] |
| 10:13.16 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... killall -s STOP xmms2d ? |
| 10:13.40 | cusco | why is it that xmms plays sound and JuK does not? |
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| 10:14.31 | jethro | cusco: could you try to give more details, instead of having us guess your setup and the possible causes to your problem? |
| 10:14.42 | Thanatermesis | hummm... |
| 10:14.45 | artaxx | hi, all. is it possible to install debian to a SATA hard drive without using another PATA hard? i'm asking because i would like to go out and buy myself an asus mb, intel 3.0 ghz cpu and wd raptor sata hard and wonder if it can be done without too much hassle. |
| 10:15.14 | peterS | artaxx: it's reported to work just fine with common hardware |
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| 10:15.25 | BlueShift | artaxx: check for sata support in the kernel. the 2.6 series is your best bet i think... ich5 has drivers there. |
| 10:15.33 | peterS | artaxx: however, check the compatibility of kernel 2.6.8 with your sata chipset |
| 10:15.34 | Thanatermesis | jm_, I search "close" signal, for close the program... STOP signal not are good, exist the "close" signal ? |
| 10:15.40 | Thanatermesis | [1]+ Stopped xmms2d |
| 10:15.43 | peterS | artaxx: if you are buying a brand new chipset it may or may not be supported in kernel 2.6.8 |
| 10:15.50 | artaxx | BlueShift, i'm talking about ich6. |
| 10:15.55 | cusco | jethro: i have a clean install... I didn't install alsautils just the default desktop install that comes by default |
| 10:16.02 | directhex|work | artaxx, depends on the hardware |
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| 10:16.07 | Thanatermesis | ooh |
| 10:16.09 | cusco | somewhere in the base-config it asked me if I wanted a sound server |
| 10:16.11 | Thanatermesis | SIGINT ! |
| 10:16.12 | artaxx | directhex|work, need more info? |
| 10:16.13 | cusco | I sais ESD |
| 10:16.13 | Thanatermesis | good, thanks |
| 10:16.14 | directhex|work | artaxx, the intel i9x5 serial ata controllers are unsupported in debian sarge |
| 10:16.16 | BlueShift | artaxx: i have no idea about ich6 but last time i checked, i don't think the drivers were there yet. |
| 10:16.28 | directhex|work | BlueShift, not in debian, no |
| 10:16.31 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: fg it |
| 10:16.31 | cusco | xmms is using oss output plugin tho... |
| 10:16.45 | Thanatermesis | jm_, is for a automatizer script |
| 10:16.49 | artaxx | so what do you guys think would be the best possible choice for me to run debian? hardware-wise. |
| 10:17.00 | artaxx | how about nforce4? |
| 10:17.00 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: well just use regular kill (signal TERM) |
| 10:17.01 | BlueShift | directhex|work: but it's already in the vanilla sources? |
| 10:17.03 | peterS | artaxx: it looks like 2.6.8 supports the ICH6 in some form |
| 10:17.04 | directhex|work | artaxx, well on the whole, p4 is just dumb |
| 10:17.18 | directhex|work | peterS, very limited. not enough to install on a dell ich6 machine |
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| 10:17.24 | peterS | directhex|work: ah ok |
| 10:17.26 | peterS | I don't have one |
| 10:17.28 | artaxx | so, going amd would be better, eh? |
| 10:17.43 | directhex|work | artaxx, i've got a bleeding edge athlon 64 system, runs fine |
| 10:17.51 | Thanatermesis | jm_, Im don't like to close (badly) the daemon.. Im like to close good, ok, no problem, the good signal are SIGINT, works good ;) |
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| 10:18.09 | artaxx | directhex|work, details on components? |
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| 10:18.13 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: no, SIGTERM is the right one |
| 10:18.23 | peterS | artaxx: if you're buying brand new, I'd definitely go for amd64 in some form |
| 10:18.25 | CQ | i have testing installed, how can I install just subversion from unstable? |
| 10:18.34 | Thanatermesis | hum?... mmmh... Im try |
| 10:18.37 | directhex|work | artaxx, 3800+ processor, via k8t890-based motherboard, sata hard disk, dvd writer, pci express geforce 6800 gt graphics |
| 10:18.54 | directhex|work | peterS, or pentium-m, but that's expensive & poorly supported by debian |
| 10:18.56 | Thanatermesis | 2005-06-17 12:19 DEBUG: src/xmms/unixsignal.c:62: Got SIGTERM! Bye! |
| 10:18.57 | artaxx | directhex|work, so how did you get your sata disk to work? |
| 10:19.07 | Thanatermesis | 2005-06-17 12:19 DEBUG: src/xmms/unixsignal.c:54: Got SIGINT! |
| 10:19.08 | Thanatermesis | 2005-06-17 12:19 DEBUG: src/xmms/main.c:121: Running scripts in /home/asdf/.xmms2/shutdown.d |
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| 10:19.18 | directhex|work | artaxx, debian 3.1, windows xp sp2, and windows xp x64 sp1, all installed to the sata drive without blinking |
| 10:19.36 | Thanatermesis | no jm_ , in this, the good are SIGINT, look the diferencies, SIGINT launch shutdown, SIGTERM close directly |
| 10:19.40 | directhex|work | artaxx, this older office pc is also sata based, and didn't blink. don't know if that's working on the nforce3 controller or silicon image controller |
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| 10:19.59 | Oops | how to configure my Graphic Card |
| 10:20.09 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: no |
| 10:20.15 | Thanatermesis | Oops, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:20.16 | artaxx | directhex|work, how come debian installs easily onto your hard, but wouldn't be as easily done with my said configuration? where's the problem (i don't really know that much about hardware)? |
| 10:20.16 | directhex|work | Oops, to do what? |
| 10:20.42 | guf | good morgon everone =) |
| 10:20.42 | donpablo | how can verify a iso file after download |
| 10:20.45 | directhex|work | artaxx, it's down to kernel support. debian's 2.6.8 kernel does not support the intel ich6 southbridge, as used on modern pentium 4 boards |
| 10:20.58 | Thanatermesis | no jm_ ? mmmh, Im not understand... Im looked the diferencies... exist a doc with describes this signals ? |
| 10:21.02 | Whisky_ | hi all |
| 10:21.08 | artaxx | ok, so 2.6.8 doesn't - what about 2.6.11? |
| 10:21.13 | guf | Hi Whisky_ |
| 10:21.14 | fandemma30 | #Emma-Daumas |
| 10:21.29 | directhex|work | artaxx, supported, but how would you install it, given thge debian installer uses 2.6.8? |
| 10:21.40 | peterS | artaxx: 2.6.11 probably does, but debian-installer for 3.1 was frozen long before 2.6.11 was released. doing quality assurance on *one* kernel version is hard enough, they couldn't just switch later |
| 10:21.48 | directhex|work | artaxx, if you INSIST on going for i9x5, it;s supported by ubuntu's 2.6.10 kernels fine |
| 10:22.29 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: man 7 signal, the normal termination signal is SIGTERM, SIGINT is sent if you press ctrl-c or whatever your intr setting specifies |
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| 10:22.33 | budluva | ok i just ran nmap on my system and i see i have some ports open, how do i find out what is causing these ports to be open and how do i stop the service/close the port? |
| 10:22.39 | maher | does anyone know offhand if dirvish supports remote vaults? |
| 10:22.48 | Whisky_ | Right. |
| 10:22.51 | maher | budluva: netstat -pant |
| 10:23.10 | Oops | directhex|work , i doubt my Graphic Card's real refresh rate is not 85HZ |
| 10:23.21 | Whisky_ | I want to create name servers on my server to point my domain to them. How do I do that ? |
| 10:23.29 | artaxx | directhex|work, i've used LFS and gentoo for a very long time and i like the minimalistic approach to building my operating systems. would ubuntu be easily configured to resemble a vanilla debian system? |
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| 10:23.45 | peterS | Whisky_: install a DNS server package, such as 'bind9' |
| 10:23.48 | Azar | thanks again for the help and support, I already made 3 shell scripts.. good night :) |
| 10:24.09 | peterS | Whisky_: properly running a DNS server is more than just installing a package, you also have to know how the whole business works. perhaps buy "DNS & BIND" by O'reilly, or something |
| 10:24.27 | Whisky_ | peterS: Too tough for a newbie ? |
| 10:24.37 | maher | Whisky_: who is you domain registrar? some will do this for free |
| 10:24.55 | peterS | Whisky_: if you don't know how DNS works, don't try to provide it. you can always use third-party services for cheap, including zoneedit.com for free |
| 10:25.01 | maher | Whisky_: if not there are free dns providers like zoneedit or granite canyon |
| 10:25.15 | Thanatermesis | hummmm... ok, thanks for your aclaration jm_ (Im using a very beta developement daemon, posible the good exit is putting "Control-C", and this is the actual method of exit...) |
| 10:25.28 | directhex|work | artaxx, no, it wouldn't |
| 10:25.33 | Oops | Thanatermesis: xserver-xfree86†is not installed -_-" |
| 10:25.36 | Whisky_ | maher: Sure. I just want to point my domain to the IP address of my server hosting my personal site. |
| 10:26.02 | Thanatermesis | Oops, apt-get install ;) |
| 10:26.06 | artaxx | directhex|work, so ubuntu is like debian crippled? |
| 10:26.06 | Whisky_ | peterS: Thanks |
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| 10:26.07 | guf | hehe |
| 10:26.08 | maher | Whisky_: which registrar? some have a web form to do this for you |
| 10:26.12 | Thanatermesis | Oops, you don't have X system ? |
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| 10:26.21 | Whisky_ | maher: Mine doesnt. Ill try zoneedit |
| 10:26.33 | Oops | Thanatermesis: only iceWM |
| 10:26.34 | directhex|work | artaxx, it's debianish, with a lot of preconfgured stuff, and defaults set up to minimize user interaction |
| 10:26.47 | notty | can anyone recomand a good backup system ? |
| 10:27.09 | mosty | i'm trying to use a usb webcam in sid (Microdia Genius VideoCAM NB) which uses the sn9c102 driver. when i load the module, the device is recognised, but xawtv doesn't show anything, because i think the "norm" (ie pal/ntsc/secam) can't be set to anything. v4lctl list shows (null) for the current and default norm, and i can't set it to pal. anyone know what i should try next? |
| 10:27.13 | liberion_ | jm_, ok ive got all the devs i need so how do i build the package |
| 10:27.15 | artaxx | directhex|work, would you then recommend going gentoo/i9x5 or debian/amd64? |
| 10:27.20 | tralala | notty: I'm using tar |
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| 10:27.44 | artaxx | directhex|work, bear in mind - this is my private, home desktop system. |
| 10:27.45 | Gargoyle | I am using wget to download the DVD iso, it says content type text/plain. Is that OK or do I need to force wget into a binary mode? |
| 10:27.47 | directhex|work | artaxx, i wouldn't recommend gentoo for anything |
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| 10:28.06 | tralala | I have been told that bacula is worth trying but didn't find the time to test it. |
| 10:28.08 | jm_ | liberion_: dpkg-buildpackage or debuild, read the NMG |
| 10:28.17 | guf | notty, cedar-solutions |
| 10:28.31 | liberion_ | jm_, nmg? |
| 10:29.04 | mosty | liberion, new maintainer guide |
| 10:29.07 | directhex|work | artaxx, i have 4 computers at home, plus my desktop at work. of those, one runs windows server 2003, one runs ubuntu 5.04, two run amd64 debian, one doesn't work right so doesn't have much installed right now |
| 10:29.09 | artaxx | directhex|work, the reason i like it is it's very bareboned at the beginning and has very active forums... plus it doesn't have an installer, so i would be able to use it with any hardware supported by the bleeding-edge kernel. |
| 10:29.10 | jm_ | liberion_: /msg dpkg dnm |
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| 10:29.57 | directhex|work | artaxx, i can't think of a worse reason to use gentoo than because it allows me to use inferior intel hardware |
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| 10:31.09 | maher | notty: i use dirvish |
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| 10:32.20 | artaxx | directhex|work, aren't intel chipsets superior in stability to those of amd-based systems? |
| 10:32.37 | directhex|work | artaxx, no. that's bullshit. |
| 10:32.57 | directhex|work | artaxx, possibly in the 1990s, but not since athlon has been around |
| 10:32.58 | notty | i just want something that creates : main backup directory, and then a directory for each week with the new files / modified file (so i can copy each weakly directory to a cd-r) |
| 10:33.04 | petemc | they're the biggest manufacturer because they're shit.. |
| 10:33.19 | Thanatermesis | humm.. |
| 10:33.29 | maher | notty: try dirvish - you might like it |
| 10:33.32 | Thanatermesis | Oops, dpkg -l | grep xserver |
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| 10:34.10 | guf | what is the best way to mount a bin file ? |
| 10:34.11 | mosty | notty, people love those nforce/nforce2 boards |
| 10:34.18 | mosty | guf, what kind of bin file? |
| 10:34.27 | artaxx | directhex|work, ok, i'm convinced. what kind of setup would you recommend? beginning with the mb? nforce4? |
| 10:34.31 | guf | mosty, movie |
| 10:34.34 | Triffid_Hunter | guf: get a .cue with it? if so, cdemu |
| 10:34.41 | directhex|work | mosty, nforce1 was an inferior chipset. nforce2 is where it started going well for nvidia's motherboards |
| 10:34.45 | mosty | guf: you can't mount a movie. you can only mount filesystems |
| 10:34.49 | Triffid_Hunter | i got an nforce2 :D |
| 10:34.52 | guf | did try cdemu.. but it didn't work well |
| 10:35.10 | Triffid_Hunter | hehe its a bit crashy |
| 10:35.11 | guf | its no cue |
| 10:35.17 | directhex|work | artaxx, nforce4 or k8t890. k8t890 has fewer features, but is usually cheaper, and has better Free support |
| 10:35.22 | Triffid_Hunter | er cdemu doesn't work w/o a cue |
| 10:35.27 | mosty | directhex: oh, i'm thinking nforce2,3 probably |
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| 10:35.44 | Triffid_Hunter | guf: what does file make of it? |
| 10:35.49 | directhex|work | artaxx, my decision to buy k8t890 was because i like a quieter system, and all nforce4 boards have a fan on the northbridge |
| 10:35.58 | artaxx | directhex|work, how about dfi lan party nforce4 mb? |
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| 10:36.09 | Jhair | has been somebody here been bitten by a buggy Itanium2 processor? I read some 1GZ processors where buggy and currently I've a software which hangs en some situations |
| 10:36.11 | directhex|work | mosty, nforce2 was the extremely successful k7 chipset, nforce3 was the first proper amd64 chipset |
| 10:36.23 | guf | cdemu did give me a error in line 42.. i thinking about doing it manuel |
| 10:36.27 | artaxx | directhex|work, aren't fans easily removed? |
| 10:36.28 | hellz | hi, i am facing some problem in configuring LVS |
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| 10:36.33 | directhex|work | artaxx, they're VERY good motherboards. i can't comment on how well they work with debian, but #debian-amd64 might be able to |
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| 10:36.40 | directhex|work | artaxx, depends whether it's NEEDED or not really |
| 10:36.47 | hellz | ipvsadm stats shows incoming packets but no outpackets |
| 10:36.52 | directhex|work | artaxx, i couldn't put a larger passive heatsink on, as it'd block the graphics card slot |
| 10:37.06 | Oops | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.08 | Oops | ii xserver-common 6.8.2-10 files and utilities common to all X servers |
| 10:37.08 | Oops | ii xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 the XFree86 X server |
| 10:37.08 | Oops | rc xserver-xorg 6.8.2-10 the X.Org X server |
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| 10:37.27 | mosty | directhex|work, and nforce4 is the first to support pci-express? |
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| 10:37.40 | directhex|work | mosty, nvidia's first to do so, yes |
| 10:37.49 | mosty | that's what i meant |
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| 10:38.02 | guf | hehe welcome back Oops |
| 10:38.07 | jm_ | guf: mplayer can play those files directly |
| 10:38.19 | liberion_ | jm_, ok in the e17 code theres a debian folder it contains changelog.in ,control, etc |
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| 10:38.28 | guf | jm_, no I haved tryied |
| 10:38.28 | directhex|work | mosty, a lot of the popularity around nforce2 was due to the SoundStorm onbaord audio - the first PC hardware Dolby 5.1 encoder |
| 10:38.33 | mike | hi, in your opinion, which is the best Box? |
| 10:38.33 | guf | *typo* |
| 10:38.34 | Oops | I am kicked |
| 10:38.42 | liberion_ | jm_, and rules |
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| 10:39.04 | jm_ | liberion_: yes, that's how it has to be |
| 10:39.14 | liable | Oops: /msg dpkg paste |
| 10:39.19 | tralala | mike: mine |
| 10:39.24 | liberion_ | jm_, ok well there already built for me so waht do i do |
| 10:39.29 | mike | tralala: which is? |
| 10:39.35 | jm_ | liberion_: what are you trying to do at all? |
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| 10:39.50 | streuner_ | !tell Oops about flood |
| 10:39.57 | tralala | mike: which is the one that I own. /msg dpkg bad polls |
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| 10:40.04 | guf | ops.. this is not good.. Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) .. |
| 10:40.17 | liberion_ | jm_, build a e17 cvs packages each source code has a debian folder inside each code |
| 10:40.19 | artaxx | directhex|work, so aside from the fan, nforce4 is better? |
| 10:40.20 | tralala | !irritate jethro |
| 10:40.21 | dpkg | jethro: wenas who uses kde hello? |
| 10:40.22 | mike | tralala: pfft |
| 10:40.43 | liberion_ | jm_, ive got all the dev files i need |
| 10:40.53 | mike | tralala: simple question, you just had to state, or just ignore me |
| 10:41.04 | Oops | forgive me |
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| 10:41.08 | jm_ | liberion_: well either read NMT or grab e17 from CVS, grab current version of Debian's e source packages, apply its package building related stuff to CVS tree and build it |
| 10:41.18 | tralala | mike: did you read about the bad polls? It is there for a reson. |
| 10:41.24 | tralala | reason |
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| 10:41.46 | mike | tralala: ignore me then |
| 10:41.49 | mike | tralala: geez |
| 10:41.56 | directhex|work | artaxx, pretty much |
| 10:42.04 | liberion_ | jm_, debian doesnt have current e17 sources |
| 10:42.09 | directhex|work | artaxx, not faster per se, but has better features |
| 10:42.22 | directhex|work | artaxx, e.g. the sata controller supports NCQ and SATA2, k8t890 doesn't |
| 10:42.28 | jm_ | liberion_: it has 0.16 |
| 10:42.43 | maher | liberion: have you tried running dpkg-buildpackage |
| 10:43.02 | jm_ | directhex|work: doesn't one need ultra version for NCQ? |
| 10:43.10 | liberion_ | jm_, this is 0.17 completely different animaql |
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| 10:43.31 | jm_ | liberion_: yes, of course - so either do it from scratch or try to reuse what has been done and apply it |
| 10:43.42 | artaxx | directhex|work, would you say that nforce4 sli (lan party) is a safe bet? |
| 10:44.03 | liberion_ | jm_, thats what im trying to do im getting an error may i pm you |
| 10:44.09 | directhex|work | artaxx, safe in terms of what? SLI itself doesn't work under linux, and other than the SLIness, it's identical to the nf4 ultra d |
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| 10:44.26 | jm_ | liberion_: don't have time for all the details now, this is not a 5 minute job |
| 10:44.53 | liberion_ | dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| 10:44.53 | liberion_ | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is |
| 10:44.53 | artaxx | directhex|work, would you recommend a hard other that raptor or is that a good enough choice? |
| 10:45.32 | directhex|work | artaxx, raptors are noisy, hot & small, for a small speed gain. personally, i'd get a quieter larger drive like a seagate or samsung - but that may not be what you're after |
| 10:45.36 | maher | liberion: run it in the dir below the debian dir |
| 10:46.15 | jm_ | liberion_: I'd say your control file is missing some entries |
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| 10:46.27 | artaxx | directhex|work, i've been told that seagate sata drives aren't nearly as quiet as their pata equivalents. |
| 10:46.53 | liberion_ | maher, ok its building ill see it i get an error |
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| 10:48.49 | liberion_ | jm_, ok thanx |
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| 10:54.05 | sep | artaxx: directhex|work with seagate you can get very very lucky and get a drive with a nidec motor, quiet as the grave, but the same model drive might also have a noname or other brand motor, that are a lot more noisy. |
| 10:54.35 | rik_ | I was just about to ask what happened to galeon, but it's sorted now! This is my first rollercoaster ride that is debian/unstable and its just brilliant to see my system changing for the better every day. Well done developers! |
| 10:54.36 | directhex|work | sep, i'd suggest a samsung spinpoint for noise anyway, but i had a DOA one lately, which has soured me on them |
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| 10:54.58 | karsten | OK, anyone have bright ideas why XF86 is 512MB? |
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| 10:55.04 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.07 | karsten | (from top) |
| 10:55.15 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.38 | jm_ | how long has it been running? |
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| 10:55.48 | sep | directhex|work: spinpoint what is that? not mentioned on my norwegian distributor's web |
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| 10:56.08 | karsten | jm_: Since May 26. |
| 10:56.13 | karsten | jm_: ... 2005 ;-) |
| 10:56.34 | jm_ | karsten: that's normal then - it also allocates memory on behalf of clients when they ask it to, and some don't free it or crash and then it just grows |
| 10:56.36 | directhex|work | sep, samsung's spinpoint hard disks have consistantly shown themselves to be quieter than seagate barracudas (idle, with almost no load noise), as well as being cold to the touch |
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| 10:56.38 | karsten | jm_: I've had session run for months before though, w/o this issue. |
| 10:56.43 | karsten | jm_: Hrm. |
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| 10:56.55 | jm_ | karsten: I have topped it at 1G once after 9 months or so |
| 10:57.05 | karsten | jm_: I guess there's an argument in favor of having ~ 1GB swap then ;-) |
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| 10:57.51 | jm_ | karsten: yes, I started with 1G, then added 512M file and then another 512M when X was running since Nov 28 2003 till Feb 14 2005 |
| 10:57.55 | sep | directhex|work: ahh i saw on a drive id laying around, all of them are spinpoints. |
| 10:58.07 | karsten | jm_: Heh. |
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| 10:58.28 | karsten | jm_: Yeah, I'm at about 21 days here. Normally it isn't this bad... |
| 10:58.34 | sep | the ones with the nidec motor is impressivly quiet atleast |
| 10:58.34 | jm_ | I will just use 2G swap partition with my next machine |
| 10:58.38 | directhex|work | sep, the P80 series is popular, i have no reports on the new P120 |
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| 10:59.00 | jm_ | karsten: it depends on clients a lot, I am at 563780 now after 4 months |
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| 11:00.45 | sep | i use them on my daily backup rotation, 10 SP1204's the 180 GB maxtors in the other set are a lot more noisy, and even if the seagates ahve been working atlest a year longer, the maxtors have a higher fail ratio |
| 11:01.14 | liberion_ | brb |
| 11:01.18 | jm_ | hmm those new WD-s are apparently quieter and cooler as well |
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| 11:01.55 | sep | dont noice much heat problem with removeable hotswap racks with fans |
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| 11:02.29 | jm_ | just realized I don't have hddtemp enabled in gkrellm |
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| 11:03.28 | jm_ | wait, doesn't give me an option, probably because I have no lmsensors on this machinem, I wish there was gkrellm-hddtemp module still available |
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| 11:05.07 | Karnaugh | "Hi my name is jjcluetard. I wrote the snmpd package - when I was doing i had a great idea, i mean, who needs logging right? So the init.d scripts just send all logs to /dev/null." |
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| 11:06.01 | dbeal | that guy is such a tard |
| 11:07.41 | jm_ | heh |
| 11:07.41 | freefall | hi,guys.I got a problem here.Everytime i reboot,i need to run the command alsaconf to get the sound card work.Why? |
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| 11:08.20 | mosty | freefall, does it load modules for you? |
| 11:08.45 | freefall | mosty:yes |
| 11:09.08 | mosty | freefall, put the module names in /etc/modules ? |
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| 11:09.29 | freefall | I tried. still in vain |
| 11:09.34 | maher | whats a good console network load monitor? something like xnetload but for console |
| 11:09.55 | petemc | maher: nload, bwm |
| 11:09.58 | petemc | jnettop |
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| 11:10.21 | petemc | maher: iptraf can sort by bandwidth as well, which is useful |
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| 11:10.41 | maher | petemc: thanks! |
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| 11:10.55 | Texou | Hi, could someone help me about writing a CD? I had a problem. |
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| 11:11.39 | Texou | C did cdrecord -v -pad dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -audio 1.wav 2.wav... it displayed that: cdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording. Can I solve that or do I have to change my CDs? |
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| 11:12.13 | jm_ | Texou: you could try burning in DAO mode, but learn about the implications first |
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| 11:13.06 | Texou | ok thanks, I'm going to search that. Thanks |
| 11:13.16 | sussudio | wtf. |
| 11:13.25 | sussudio | !ops turkish joinflood |
| 11:13.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: turkish joinflood |
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| 11:14.20 | Momow | how can I mount my external usb hard disk ? |
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| 11:14.34 | Momow | usb-storage is loaded |
| 11:14.36 | sussudio | Momow: gently? |
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| 11:14.43 | Momow | dmesg shows that it's plugged in |
| 11:14.53 | Momow | but I don't manage to see what device it can be :) |
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| 11:14.58 | sussudio | jesus the fuck |
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| 11:15.07 | sussudio | they're noticing you on join |
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| 11:15.43 | yazid_work | Momow, look in /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 11:15.51 | sussudio | caphuso: i got about 30 notices on join |
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| 11:16.08 | Momow | yazid_work: it's not seen |
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| 11:16.18 | Momow | i modprobe'd sbp2 yet |
| 11:16.26 | McCabe | Momow: i have "/dev/sda1 /memkey msdos user 0 0" in my fstab for my memorykey, it's probably something similar for a usb hd |
| 11:16.36 | Momow | I mean, I made all the same than with my usb key |
| 11:16.45 | caphuso | sussudio: seems like they all left |
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| 11:17.14 | McCabe | Momow: "cat /proc/bus/usb/devices " shows it? |
| 11:17.15 | sussudio | caphuso: did you see they all joined at once? |
| 11:17.18 | yazid_work | Momow, SURE your USB host controller driver is loaded? |
| 11:17.28 | Momow | yazid_work: yes, it is |
| 11:17.29 | js | sussudio: you just happened to join when they noticed everyone i think |
| 11:17.33 | caphuso | sussudio: when i scrolled up, yes |
| 11:17.40 | FieldySnuts | !aussiesmite spammers |
| 11:17.41 | dpkg | spammers: yee bloody yank |
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| 11:17.47 | Momow | S: Manufacturer=Cypress Semiconductor |
| 11:17.48 | Momow | S: Product=USB2.0 Storage Device |
| 11:17.53 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: aussiesmite spammers |
| 11:17.53 | ravenbird | spammers: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 11:17.59 | FieldySnuts | that's a little better. bbl |
| 11:18.00 | Momow | it's seen among usb devices |
| 11:18.46 | hackeron | how do I create an ssh tunnel from say 5009 to some-machine:5009? |
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| 11:19.07 | Momow | but when I load sbp2, it doesn't see the disk itself |
| 11:19.12 | mosty | hackeron, see the -L option in the manpage |
| 11:19.32 | sussudio | !hackeron |
| 11:19.33 | dpkg | [Hackeron] Someone very very stupid, who should really have been disposed off at birth. |
| 11:19.44 | hackeron | mosty: I did, cant figure it out |
| 11:20.01 | hackeron | mosty: ssh -L 5900 -R acadmin01:5900 ?? |
| 11:20.04 | sussudio | ubuntu: nein! #ubuntu |
| 11:20.19 | streuner_ | haha |
| 11:20.34 | mosty | hackeron, see the bit where it says "port:host:hostport" ? |
| 11:20.59 | hackeron | mosty: yeah |
| 11:21.30 | hackeron | mosty: ssh -L 5900 -R 5900:acadmin01:5900 doesnt work either |
| 11:21.43 | McCabe | Momow: is it in /proc/scsi/usb-storage/ ? |
| 11:21.44 | mosty | hacim, lose the -R, and the first 5900 |
| 11:21.55 | jethro | hackeron: read and make sure you understand. |
| 11:22.14 | jethro | hackeron: don't just try each and every combination of the options you can read in the manpage |
| 11:22.17 | chemaja | people really don't like reading documentation, do they |
| 11:22.46 | jethro | chemaja: some don't. and some don't enjoy handolding the morons not able to read and understand documentation |
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| 11:22.55 | jethro | s/dold/dhold/ |
| 11:23.10 | jm_ | hackeron: ssh doesn't let you forward remote connections by default |
| 11:23.17 | paulswm | chemaja: Heck, some don't even read the topic, or the debian web site |
| 11:23.42 | rik_ | anyone know how long it usually takes from a package being accepted into unstable to being available on ftp.uk.debian.org? Is 24hrs typical? Anyone got a link to the policy of packages moving from one distribution to another? |
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| 11:24.00 | rik_ | thanks |
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| 11:24.20 | Momow | McCabe: I don't have such a directory |
| 11:24.33 | jim | rik_: debian.org/devel is where such things are |
| 11:24.41 | Momow | McCabe: but usb-storage is loaded |
| 11:24.51 | jim | as far as mirror timings, I have no idea for that |
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| 11:25.53 | rik_ | jim:thanks |
| 11:25.56 | paulswm | rik_: for moving from one distro to another, see http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-testing |
| 11:26.04 | paulswm | Proces my point. |
| 11:26.08 | paulswm | Proves |
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| 11:26.44 | hackeron | jethro: read it, so I need '-L 5900:acadmin01:5900'? |
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| 11:27.16 | McCabe | Momow: probably somethign with scsi thats not loaded then |
| 11:27.22 | jethro | !cluebat hackeron |
| 11:27.31 | maher | Momow: is this a kernel you bult yourself? |
| 11:27.57 | McCabe | Momow: scsi_mod, perhaps |
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| 11:28.06 | maher | Momow: sd_mod as well |
| 11:28.18 | Momow | hmm |
| 11:28.38 | hackeron | jethro: I dont get the syntax, can you please help? -- I need to forward 5900 to acadmin01:5900 |
| 11:29.14 | lexxa | hackeron, your last try was correct, -L 5900:acadmin01:5900 |
| 11:29.17 | McCabe | Momow: lsmod | grep mod |
| 11:29.42 | Momow | sd_mod 19088 0 |
| 11:29.43 | Momow | dm_mod 61820 4 |
| 11:29.43 | Momow | scsi_mod 137992 5 sg,sbp2,ide_scsi,sd_mod,usb_storage |
| 11:29.49 | hackeron | lexxa: it just shows me ssh usage and exists |
| 11:30.09 | jethro | hackeron: I don't want to. |
| 11:30.20 | Momow | well I have to leave, I guess there's somethink broken with my hardware, i'll check that on the web |
| 11:30.22 | lexxa | hackeron, you need to connect there also, like ssh -L 5900:acadmin01:5900 user@acadmin01 |
| 11:30.27 | Momow | thank you anyway |
| 11:30.31 | maher | Momow: is this a standard debian kernel? are you running hotplug? |
| 11:30.36 | Momow | it's standard |
| 11:30.38 | tralala | hackeron: if you're trying to do X11 forwarding that's not the way. |
| 11:30.45 | Momow | it usually works correctly for usb keys |
| 11:30.49 | jethro | tralala: he's not. |
| 11:30.51 | hackeron | tralala: hmm, whats the way? |
| 11:30.55 | jethro | @annoy tralala |
| 11:30.56 | ravenbird | tralala: PLZ!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
| 11:31.00 | lexxa | hackeron, ssh -X |
| 11:31.13 | tralala | !tell hackeron -about sshx |
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| 11:31.33 | hackeron | lexxa: I need vnc |
| 11:31.48 | lexxa | hackeron, vnclient |
| 11:31.54 | jim | does the -X circumvent the need for xauth and ssh-agent/ssh-add? |
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| 11:32.06 | maher | Momow: does the key show up in lsusb |
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| 11:32.14 | lexxa | jim, no |
| 11:32.18 | budluva | can someone give some suggestions to my dvd burning problem? i have no problem burning dvd images in k3b, but for some reason i can't burn over 6X, i have 8x media and a 16x drive, the last pack of dvd+r's i bought were 16x discs and they only burnt at 4x, now these 8x dvd-r's will only burn at 6x, is there something i have setup wrong with k3b/debian somewhere? i've check my k3b settings over and over and i cant see anything |
| 11:32.31 | jm_ | no, you need xauth with -X -- -X just enables X11 Forwarding (it's disabled by default) |
| 11:33.31 | toonX | hi all! |
| 11:34.38 | karsten | budluva: It's probably a complicated issue w/ buffers, io speed, and other stuff involved. And likely not readily addressed on IRC. |
| 11:35.26 | mosty | budluva, what brand discs? |
| 11:35.39 | basix | hi guys, has anyone used netgear wg311?? |
| 11:35.53 | wols | budluva: you sure DVD media isn't at fault? |
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| 11:36.20 | wols | I don't own a burner, but I could read everywhere that while burners were fine, there was no media capable for 8x burning |
| 11:36.58 | jm_ | ehh? 8x speed media exists for many months now |
| 11:37.01 | liable | basix: just ask |
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| 11:37.20 | jm_ | exist even |
| 11:37.41 | basix | liable: i wanted to know whether it will work in adhoc mode in linux. the netgear specs dont say anything about the adhoc mode.... |
| 11:38.13 | tralala | wols: you need to change your sources. I have been burning 8x yesterday (10 discs). |
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| 11:38.35 | liable | basix: surely that is googlable? |
| 11:38.45 | dings | Does apt run initdb when installing postgresql? pg7.4 in sid |
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| 11:40.18 | liable | basix: without even reading any links after googling it, I say yes |
| 11:40.57 | tralala | !be google barbie |
| 11:40.57 | dpkg | I want to find pictures of naked chix0rz on google but I'm having real trouble.... |
| 11:41.10 | liable | haha |
| 11:41.17 | basix | lol |
| 11:41.30 | basix | i did google but didnt get a solid answer |
| 11:41.33 | tralala | a golden one |
| 11:41.51 | liable | http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=netgear+wg311+linux+ad-hoc&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 11:41.57 | basix | i tried searching at linuxquestions.org too. i got many threads but mostly dealing with connecting it with a WAP |
| 11:42.28 | tralala | !tell basix -about lol |
| 11:43.10 | basix | uh...alright :P |
| 11:43.25 | basix | i gotta be careful while using acryonyms :P |
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| 11:43.32 | basix | *acronyms |
| 11:43.44 | basix | tralala, what does rotfl mean? :P |
| 11:43.49 | tralala | especially here |
| 11:43.55 | tralala | basix: ask dpkg |
| 11:44.34 | basix | how? i don't know :O |
| 11:44.47 | lexxa | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.47 | tralala | basix: msg it |
| 11:45.07 | basix | ok thanks |
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| 11:46.08 | erirlar | whats a good kbps for ogg files? |
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| 11:46.48 | tralala | !topicsmite erirlar |
| 11:46.48 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon erirlar. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 11:49.29 | liable | hmm, whats topic got to do with ogg? But then again, whats ogg got to do with #debian? Why are there so many questions? |
| 11:49.38 | liable | @annoy me |
| 11:49.39 | ravenbird | liable: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 11:49.51 | tralala | :) |
| 11:49.53 | liable | :P |
| 11:50.12 | budluva | mosty, sorry, had to get coffee, brand of dvd-r's are ritek/ridata |
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| 11:50.31 | tralala | liable: at some point in time the topic was saying about ask and/or sicco... not anymore apparently |
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| 11:50.48 | liable | ahh, rightio |
| 11:51.02 | budluva | wols, dunno, last pack i bought was dvd+r 16x discs, they only burnt at 4x, this time i have dvd-r 8x discs, and most ive seen them do is 6.10x in k3b |
| 11:51.11 | mosty | erirlar, slightly less than you consider "good" for mp3 |
| 11:51.30 | tralala | !tell budluva -about repeat |
| 11:52.00 | budluva | ??? i was answering questions... |
| 11:52.20 | budluva | not repeating |
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| 11:53.04 | tralala | 14:33 < budluva> can someone give some suggestions to my dvd burning problem? |
| 11:53.04 | tralala | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.04 | tralala | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.04 | tralala | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:53.23 | tralala | lame me |
| 11:53.23 | liable | !pal tralala |
| 11:53.56 | troelsarvin | I'm having trouble with a Sarge installation which doesn't auto-assemble my md0 software-RAID (raid1) at boot-time. md1 and md2 - based on the same disks - are assembled fine at boot-time. Any ideas? |
| 11:54.05 | tralala | this is what will happen to you when you're trying to have pointless arguments |
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| 11:55.35 | liable | man, theres an 80's music fest on telly now, and the filmclips are really quite scary. |
| 11:56.00 | znx | liable: because your in them ? |
| 11:56.03 | simonrvn | bad memories? ;p |
| 11:56.06 | liable | hah |
| 11:56.08 | tralala | hehe :) |
| 11:57.40 | dings | Seems cind of strange to me that a postgres installation don't give a shell to the user postgres when it authorises on IDENT, how is this mment to work? |
| 11:58.04 | dings | s/don't/doesn't/ |
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| 11:58.40 | dings | hmm.. I'll never be able to fix the language of those sentences. |
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| 11:58.51 | simonrvn | you don't need a shell for ident to work... |
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| 11:59.41 | PCMaster | traiaca Romania |
| 11:59.59 | liable | ??? |
| 12:00.05 | dings | simonrvn: but "createdb base -U postgres" doesn't seem to be possible |
| 12:00.12 | liable | !ro |
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| 12:00.34 | J_P | hi all |
| 12:00.43 | simonrvn | yes it is |
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| 12:01.09 | PCMaster | you don't know romanian? |
| 12:01.10 | simonrvn | man su |
| 12:01.25 | liable | negative |
| 12:01.35 | J_P | people, reiserfs 3.6 work fine with NFS ? |
| 12:01.55 | liable | !ricerfs |
| 12:01.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 12:02.01 | dings | simonrvn: su postgres - whatever, thats what one is suppose to do? |
| 12:02.15 | simonrvn | su postgres -c "foo bar baz" |
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| 12:02.21 | dings | s/-/-c/ |
| 12:02.23 | PCMaster | Romania i sthe best country in the world |
| 12:02.49 | liable | yes, yes, thats good. |
| 12:02.59 | dings | simonrvn: ok, thanks |
| 12:03.29 | tralala | PCMaster: of course, it is |
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| 12:06.05 | possie | i have tar archive that contains file that start with a ../ , now when i try to extract that file i'm getting error's saying Member name contains `..' how can i get rid of the ../ part when extracting with tar? |
| 12:07.00 | PCMaster | Has anyone heard of Romania? |
| 12:07.09 | mosty | possie, there's probably a flag to tar. but the best solution is the bitchslap the person who created the tarball |
| 12:07.15 | kmalloc | debian sarge not have gnome-2.10? |
| 12:07.24 | TinoW | PCMaster: yes, quite old country |
| 12:07.26 | mosty | kmalloc, correct |
| 12:07.28 | sep | kmalloc: correcct |
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| 12:08.10 | liable | PCMaster: please, this is a debian support channel, not a whatisthebestcountrychannel |
| 12:08.30 | PCMaster | what do you mean by old |
| 12:08.45 | possie | mosty: well that's not an option at the moment :-) i need those files |
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| 12:08.52 | jethro | !aolify PCMaster |
| 12:09.28 | jm_ | possie: mkdir -p tmp/bla/foo && cd tmp/bla/foo && tar xvf /path/to/file.tar |
| 12:09.31 | PCMaster | you shut the fuck up |
| 12:09.55 | possie | jm_: i tried that aswell but with no luck :( |
| 12:10.45 | sep | PCMaster: please restrain yourself, if you have a debian question ask it, otherways i reccomend you join a chat channel and not a technical support channel |
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| 12:11.13 | mosty | possie, perhaps try with --interactive ? |
| 12:11.36 | PCMaster | jethro is an idiot |
| 12:11.50 | tralala | !ops PCMaster is a troll |
| 12:11.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: PCMaster is a troll |
| 12:11.56 | paulswm | PCMaster: stop that or go away |
| 12:12.22 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 12:12.26 | paulswm | YAY! |
| 12:12.28 | jm_ | possie: ok, so it always bitches - well try star maybe |
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| 12:12.39 | jethro | thank you caphuso |
| 12:12.40 | tralala | ouch! |
| 12:12.41 | paulswm | !beer caphuso |
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| 12:12.47 | tralala | :) |
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| 12:13.25 | directhex|work | !jelly |
| 12:13.34 | directhex|work | no factoids about jelly? shocking :x |
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| 12:13.44 | tralala | what's the easiest way of winning a ban - start talking about Romania :) |
| 12:13.58 | tralala | @jelly |
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| 12:15.00 | possie | jm_: k i'll try that |
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| 12:16.25 | wols | caphuso: how can you make people leaving the channel? |
| 12:16.39 | eye69 | wols: That's a dark secret. |
| 12:16.42 | Whisky_ | where can I modify reverse DNS information for my domain ? |
| 12:16.45 | caphuso | wols: i'd have to kill you... |
| 12:16.45 | liable | magic op trick |
| 12:16.57 | jethro | Whisky_: you need to setup a PTR record for your IP |
| 12:16.58 | wols | just do it. I have 9 lives |
| 12:17.02 | directhex|work | wols, it involves jelly. |
| 12:17.03 | simonrvn | secret magic op powahs |
| 12:17.09 | caphuso | wols: no, it's the REMOVE command freenode's ircd has |
| 12:17.14 | mosty | Whisky: only the person who controls the ip block can do that |
| 12:17.17 | Whisky_ | jethro: Where can I setup a PTR record ? |
| 12:17.18 | wols | ah, you're an oper |
| 12:17.24 | wols | didn't know that |
| 12:17.28 | Whisky_ | mosty: oh ok |
| 12:17.29 | simonrvn | chan op |
| 12:17.31 | Whisky_ | got it |
| 12:17.31 | jethro | Whisky_: in the DNS zone of the DNS authoritative for that netblock |
| 12:17.36 | Whisky_ | done |
| 12:17.55 | mosty | whisky, so you'll probably need to ask your isp to do it for you |
| 12:18.00 | possie | jm_: star rocks!!! :-) |
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| 12:18.07 | Whisky_ | mosty: Thanks |
| 12:18.09 | liable | mmm jelly, makes me think of trifle, makes me hungry. |
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| 12:18.30 | simonrvn | yeh, let's eat some triffids ;p |
| 12:18.47 | jethro | !kill slowlaris |
| 12:19.00 | liable | nasty :) |
| 12:19.39 | liable | simonrvn: whats a triffid? acid trip? |
| 12:19.49 | simonrvn | read day of the triffids |
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| 12:20.34 | Trewas | microsoft's avalanche (bittorrent-like p2p system) seems actually quite interesting from theoretical point of view, hopefully someone will steal the ideas to bittorrent v2 or something open :) |
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| 12:21.16 | TinoW | Trewas: whats different? |
| 12:21.18 | liable | holy shit, killer plants! |
| 12:21.25 | simonrvn | yup |
| 12:21.53 | tralala | liable: combined with a massive blindness disaster |
| 12:22.01 | liberion_ | ok guys im building debs for e17 :) |
| 12:22.09 | liable | must see if the local library has it. |
| 12:22.11 | jethro | !e17 |
| 12:22.11 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 12:22.43 | streuner | dpkg, dr17 |
| 12:22.43 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 12:23.05 | tralala | is the e17 worth googling? |
| 12:23.17 | jethro | tralala: what do you want to know? |
| 12:23.33 | Trewas | TinoW: it uses network coding to code blocks of the file instead of transfering the blocks directly, which helps to avoid some problems (basically everyone has always some parts that others want)... more info there http://research.microsoft.com/~pablo/avalanche.htm |
| 12:23.34 | liable | too many hits for the very terrible early nineties band |
| 12:23.41 | tralala | jethro: what is it, only |
| 12:23.53 | jethro | tralala: a window manager |
| 12:24.13 | jethro | tralala: the development release ofor enlightenment 17 |
| 12:24.20 | jethro | s/ofor/for/ |
| 12:24.21 | TinoW | Trewas: ah, just a worm distribution system, basically? |
| 12:24.26 | tralala | jethro: ah, tthx :))) |
| 12:24.32 | tralala | kthx, rather |
| 12:24.38 | TinoW | Trewas: I though this is what win does out of the box? |
| 12:24.56 | simonrvn | what, get infected? ;) |
| 12:25.08 | Trewas | TinoW: well it's quite similar to bittorrent except for the network coding, I have no idea what are they planning to use avalanche for |
| 12:25.09 | paulswm | liable: Day of the Triffids is an excellent read. |
| 12:25.30 | TinoW | Trewas: I'm a bit unsure on how "network coding" should be understood? |
| 12:25.35 | tralala | is it that unlikely - after being exposed for extensive amounts of time... |
| 12:25.48 | paulswm | Gives a whole new meaning to those road signs: "heavy plant crossing". |
| 12:25.54 | liable | paulswm: hmm, will look into it, never actually heard of it before. |
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| 12:27.15 | Shaze | hello |
| 12:27.22 | liable | hola |
| 12:27.31 | Trewas | TinoW: read the paper if you want more info, it's quite complicated but avoids some problems of directly transfering blocks of the file like bittorrent does... though maybe it is of no help in the case when initial seed is very slow, which seems to be the worst case for bittorrent |
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| 12:28.45 | TinoW | Trewas: well, this is trivial. I thought BT works like that already? |
| 12:29.08 | TinoW | Trewas: the term "coding" is a bit misguiding as usual ;) |
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| 12:29.41 | jm_ | TinoW: the idea is that they combine blocks into pieces or somesuch |
| 12:29.45 | Trewas | TinoW: nope, in avalanche the peers send linear combinations of the blocks, and when one has enough of them the original file can be decoded |
| 12:30.27 | TinoW | jm_: yes but still trivial, nothing new :) |
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| 12:31.16 | TinoW | Trewas: well, as a client I would not request all the blocks a peer has, but I would gather information first on what it has and then ask for them. No matter if they are chained or not |
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| 12:32.02 | TinoW | Trewas: I even think the "chain" part is useless anyway - maybe the client finds another peer for a subsequent part and therefore changes its initial request? |
| 12:33.15 | korcoil | hello |
| 12:33.24 | korcoil | there is SCREEN for debian? |
| 12:33.25 | Trewas | TinoW: I don't think the blocks are "chained" after encoding, so they can request any new encoded blocks... also the page says that the clients don't need to know what others have |
| 12:33.46 | mosty | korcoil, sure |
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| 12:34.34 | tralala | korcoil: there is also a simplier dtach |
| 12:34.40 | Trewas | TinoW: but yes the idea is very similar to bittorrent, and I don't know enough to say how much, if any, better avalanche would be:) |
| 12:34.49 | korcoil | "apt-get install screen" is ok ? |
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| 12:35.00 | tralala | korcoil: man apt-cache |
| 12:35.12 | klaas_ | hello there. |
| 12:35.18 | korcoil | i don't have any man pages |
| 12:35.27 | liable | eh? |
| 12:35.31 | loocek | how to rebuild package database ? |
| 12:35.46 | vladkao | tralala: what country are you from ? |
| 12:36.03 | liable | loocek: what have you done? |
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| 12:36.21 | klaas_ | loocek: man aptloocek: man dpkg? |
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| 12:36.57 | tralala | korcoil: they are available online as well |
| 12:37.01 | tralala | vladkao: bg |
| 12:37.09 | Belboz | Hey all |
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| 12:37.17 | Belboz | I'm having trouble printing |
| 12:37.28 | klaas_ | loocek: man aptloocek: man dpkg? |
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| 12:37.35 | Belboz | I think the problem is that my system can't find a running CUPS server |
| 12:37.36 | klaas_ | loocek: sorry. |
| 12:37.50 | mikeX | Belboz, have you installed cupsys correctly? |
| 12:37.57 | vladkao | tralala: znaeh si ;-) |
| 12:38.02 | Belboz | mikeX, to the best of my ability |
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| 12:38.05 | tralala | vladkao: ;) |
| 12:38.10 | loocek | during install ntop i get "error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ntop_2%3a3.0-5_i386.deb (--unpack): files list file for package `tcpd' is missing final newline" |
| 12:38.28 | Belboz | mikeX, I used tasksel and installed the printing server |
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| 12:38.45 | mikeX | Belboz, you can see if cups is running with 'ps -A | grep cup' |
| 12:38.51 | Belboz | mikeX, before that I just tried apt-get install cupsys |
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| 12:39.02 | klaas_ | loocek: remove the downloaded package from /var/cache/apt/archive, and try again. |
| 12:39.05 | loocek | and in general i want to know how to reuild database packages ... |
| 12:39.24 | mikeX | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.30 | Belboz | mikeX 5606 ? 00:00:02 cupsd |
| 12:39.38 | klaas_ | loocek: database packages? the package database..? |
| 12:39.58 | nash | Hi, have some doubt regarding mdadm package |
| 12:40.02 | Belboz | I guess it is running |
| 12:40.07 | Belboz | It finds the printer too |
| 12:40.13 | Belboz | says it's idle |
| 12:40.18 | Belboz | but nothing prints |
| 12:40.27 | loocek | package database...of course :) |
| 12:40.28 | nash | right now i have version 1.9.0 installed on my pc |
| 12:40.32 | mikeX | Belboz, what did you use to configure it? |
| 12:40.33 | Belboz | and I still can't restart the server |
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| 12:40.41 | liable | Belboz: local or networked? |
| 12:40.45 | Belboz | I've tried a few things |
| 12:40.46 | nash | does upgrading to 1.12.0 cause any problems ? |
| 12:40.49 | Belboz | liable, local |
| 12:40.53 | nash | does it break any other package? |
| 12:41.03 | liable | Belboz: print test page? |
| 12:41.10 | klaas_ | Does anybody know the status of the mac-mini project? I read some threads in the mailinglists, but i'm not sure whether it's operational or not. |
| 12:41.33 | tralala | !tell Belboz -about enter |
| 12:41.35 | Belboz | mikeX, I've used both the web-based CUPS admin and the Printing Manager |
| 12:41.41 | mikeX | Belboz, you can start/restart/stop cups with /etc/init.d/cupsys { start | restart | stop } |
| 12:41.51 | Belboz | liable, yeah I tried printing a test page |
| 12:41.57 | loocek | klaas_: ? |
| 12:42.04 | klaas_ | loocek: yes? |
| 12:42.26 | liable | Belboz: and nothing? try setting cups to debug. Looked in the logs? |
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| 12:42.42 | tralala | klaas_: is the mac mini in any way different than the ppc port? |
| 12:43.05 | mikeX | Belboz, you could also try using kcontrol to set it up etc, if you happen to use kde |
| 12:43.13 | loocek | klaas_: in general i want to know how to reuild package database ? |
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| 12:43.24 | Belboz | mikeX, strange, that worked, but it won't restart in KDE |
| 12:43.34 | klaas_ | tralala: I don't know, I quess not. That's why the mailinglist-threads kind of confused me. |
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| 12:44.31 | tralala | klaas_: I've read somewhere about running linux on mac mini. It was even Debian, iirc. |
| 12:44.56 | Belboz | liable, how do I set it to debug mode? |
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| 12:45.18 | liable | Belboz: in the config. /etc/cups/cups.conf |
| 12:45.31 | klaas_ | tralala: That's nice, I'm going to buy one tomorrow, I just want to check beforehand. |
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| 12:45.51 | tralala | klaas_: http://www.sowerbutts.com/linux-mac-mini/ |
| 12:46.33 | DimmuR | hi i have strange problem under 2.6.11 kernel - sane-find-scanner find my scanner and as root i can use it but as normal user i cant (even scanimage -L doesnt report it). I have permissions to /dev/usb/scannerX - any sugestions? |
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| 12:46.34 | Belboz | liable, it says that's a "new file" |
| 12:46.37 | hejux | what download manager do you prefer to use? |
| 12:46.39 | liable | Belboz: cupsd.conf |
| 12:46.49 | liable | Belboz: sorry my bad |
| 12:46.52 | klaas_ | tralala: That's great, thanks |
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| 12:47.34 | klaas_ | loocek: I can't find it... yet. |
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| 12:48.02 | phanter | hello. I would like to have a virusscanner for my server. What is the difference between aegis and clamav and who has experiences with both (and what do you recommend)? |
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| 12:48.10 | klaas_ | loocek: apt-cache gencaches? |
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| 12:48.19 | loocek | klaas_: I wonder is there any way....but it must be something |
| 12:48.22 | petemc | phanter: clamav works well for me |
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| 12:49.02 | hejux | hey ,linux takes lots of time when power on till the login interface ,how to make it faster ? |
| 12:49.09 | klaas_ | loocek: What exactly do you want to do? Make a backup of installed packages? recreate your package-database? |
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| 12:49.15 | pigor | i am dialing with wvdial, but i can only dial with root ... how can i access internet without password? |
| 12:49.18 | petemc | hejux: dont shut it down |
| 12:49.21 | liable | hejux: dont reboot |
| 12:49.28 | liable | bah beaten :) |
| 12:49.31 | petemc | :) |
| 12:49.36 | loocek | klaas_: recreate your package-database |
| 12:49.43 | loocek | sorry, my |
| 12:49.51 | petemc | pigor: theres a dialout group, and maybe another one you need to add your user to |
| 12:49.55 | klaas_ | loocek: No problem. |
| 12:50.02 | hejux | petemc: ? |
| 12:50.07 | loocek | klaas_: :) |
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| 12:50.23 | tralala | !tell hejux -about sicco |
| 12:50.24 | Belboz | liable, where do I find the log? |
| 12:50.48 | liable | pigor: its actually quite a drama to get wvdial to work as a user, I just run it fromm tty1 as root. |
| 12:51.01 | liable | Belboz: /var/log/cups/errors |
| 12:51.24 | idealbsd | it's some apps in debian similar to endnote in m$? |
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| 12:51.51 | mikeX | pigor, you could try sudo as well |
| 12:51.57 | pigor | petemc: i have added my user to thee group dialout but it just don't work |
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| 12:52.12 | petemc | pigor: did you log out and back in? |
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| 12:52.16 | shingouz | pigor: check the groups you are in and put yourself into the same group as wvdial is (unless wvdial belongs to root, that is). |
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| 12:52.20 | liable | pigor: there are howto's dealing with this. |
| 12:52.25 | mikeX | petemc, pppd has some problems |
| 12:52.27 | hejux | who is sicco ? |
| 12:52.32 | loocek | klaas_: than...how recreate package-database |
| 12:52.36 | loocek | ? |
| 12:52.37 | Belboz | liable, it's asking me if I have ESP Ghostscript installed |
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| 12:52.43 | pigor | mikeX: but with sudo i have to enter a password too |
| 12:52.54 | liable | Belboz: well, do you..... |
| 12:52.56 | xoz | pigor: NOPASSWD option |
| 12:53.13 | shingouz | pigor: correction: add yourself to group 'dialout' |
| 12:53.14 | pigor | liable: where are these howto's - do you know? |
| 12:53.15 | klaas_ | loocek: What's the problem that causes your wish to have your package-database regenerated? |
| 12:53.22 | mikeX | pigor, 1) it's not the root's password, 2) you can adjust sudo in regards of asking that password if I remember correctly |
| 12:53.45 | Belboz | liable, I'm not sure, what package would it be listed as? |
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| 12:53.55 | liable | pigor: google, one sec, (warning, I gave up in the end, but, fill your boots) |
| 12:53.56 | loocek | klaas_: in general I want to know...for the future..... |
| 12:54.04 | shingouz | pigor: wvdial has execute permissions for all users, you just cannot use the pppd if you are not root unless you change the groups you belong to. simple.. ;) |
| 12:54.28 | Belboz | liable, ah, nm, gs-common |
| 12:54.30 | hejux | petemc : you mean dont shut down so i needn't to boot ? and then no such problem ? |
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| 12:54.41 | liable | pigor: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=run+wvdial+as+user&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 12:54.58 | Virca2714 | eto 4e ne russkii chat? |
| 12:55.05 | tralala | !ru |
| 12:55.05 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 12:55.05 | shingouz | !ru |
| 12:55.09 | petemc | hejux: i wasnt really serious, but i didnt take your question that seriously |
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| 12:55.20 | tralala | shingouz: gotcha :) |
| 12:55.26 | shingouz | tralala: bah :p |
| 12:55.28 | klaas_ | loocek: I think it's apt-get check, or apt-cache gencaches (they're basically the same). |
| 12:55.28 | Belboz | liable, I found that the package "gs-esp" was not installed, installing now |
| 12:55.28 | pigor | xoz: is it an option of wvdial? what does NOPASSWD do? |
| 12:55.48 | shingouz | pigor: did you hear what i told you to do? about the groups? |
| 12:55.50 | xoz | pigor: sudo |
| 12:55.51 | liable | shingouz: what group for that? |
| 12:55.56 | shingouz | dialout |
| 12:56.01 | zophyx | !chivas regal |
| 12:56.08 | pigor | xoz: ok |
| 12:56.25 | pigor | shingouz: yes, thank you, i will try |
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| 12:56.49 | xoz | pigor: like.... pigor ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 12:56.53 | tralala | liable: ls -l /usr/sbin/pppd |
| 12:56.58 | thornbird | Anyone up to assisting me with a Debian install problem on a Compaq Proliant 2000 with a NCR53C710 scsi controller? |
| 12:56.59 | loocek | klaas_: but I mean...rebuild, recreate package-database of packages installed in my system |
| 12:57.06 | andrewtaylor_ | hi, I've just re-installed my debian box, I'm a bit of newbie. I've got PHP5+APACHE2 installed and I've added the document type for .php and restarted but it's still just trying to download the PHP instead of process it. I know it's newbie question but I've trawled the web and I appear to have done everything I should have. Any pointers? |
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| 12:57.44 | bobbens | andrewtaylor_: you need libapache2-mod-php5 or something like that, cant remember it off my head |
| 12:57.56 | Belboz | liable, WOOHOO! I got it to print! |
| 12:57.57 | pigor | xoz: yet i have not used sudo ... means "ALL", that pigor can enter all commands .. like root? |
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| 12:58.10 | xoz | pigor: yep |
| 12:58.23 | shingouz | pigor: another group seems to be necessary, 'dip'. sorry, i am multitasking a bit but with the two groups it just works. done it, been there and have the scars to prove it. just make sure you have access to the serial port your modem is on |
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| 12:58.25 | liable | Belboz: sweet :) |
| 12:58.40 | hejux | debian sarge enable DMA default ? if not how to enable it ? |
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| 12:58.57 | Belboz | thanks liable :) |
| 12:58.59 | klaas_ | loocek: Okay, sorry misunderstood that. |
| 12:59.02 | shingouz | hejux: should eb on by default, hdparm helps you unless it is not |
| 12:59.06 | tralala | hejux: man hdparm |
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| 12:59.24 | shingouz | s/unless/if. damn, i need caffeine or another braincell |
| 12:59.25 | phanter | how can I add users to a group |
| 12:59.38 | Phated | phanter: adduser <user> <group> |
| 12:59.48 | andrewtaylor_ | libapache - is that like a flamboyant piano player? |
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| 13:00.07 | simonrvn | well, it works |
| 13:00.07 | shingouz | tralala: but that one is used! |
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| 13:00.16 | pigor | shingouz: thanks alot ... i will logout and try it |
| 13:00.35 | tralala | shingouz: well, this tells you that it works! ;P |
| 13:00.47 | shingouz | hehe... i'll go off to the pepboys to see if they have such things. bbiab |
| 13:01.18 | andrewtaylor_ | nobody laughed at my liberace / libapache joke :( |
| 13:01.39 | gromf | I always have problems with my SATA ICH6 on my laptop... Does someone has the same chipset and well working SATA ? |
| 13:01.48 | tralala | andrewtaylor_: head up - you'll grow a sense of humor with the time |
| 13:01.48 | bobbens | !win andrewtaylor_ |
| 13:01.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, andrewtaylor_! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 13:02.04 | idealbsd | any can give hints to pass fillets-ng "Gaint's Chest" level? |
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| 13:03.04 | loocek | klaas_: well ? :) |
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| 13:05.53 | klaas_ | loocek: I had to do that abou 6 months ago when some moron colleage at work did something extremely stupid, but I can't remember how we recovered. There was some tool which would recreate the list from information from /usr/share/doc. I'm searching through the web, and memory what it was. |
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| 13:07.28 | mozo | Hi! I get an error starting my USB keyboard.. |
| 13:07.28 | loocek | klaas_: I will be gratefull if you find it.. |
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| 13:08.00 | windowmaker | i've ben here twice now for help to get my sound server working good... both times i have ben told to run "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and it works temporarily, can anybody help on getting it working full-time? |
| 13:08.51 | Mozo | the device is detected by kernel using "modprobe usb-uhci"! but no work |
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| 13:09.10 | tralala | windowmaker: alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss |
| 13:09.14 | tralala | windowmaker: alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss |
| 13:09.24 | idealbsd | windowmaker, alsa? |
| 13:09.45 | windowmaker | idealbsd: i think so... with OSS compatability or something |
| 13:10.05 | liable | windowmaker: dude put the module in /etc/modules like you were told. |
| 13:10.11 | windowmaker | i did |
| 13:10.23 | liable | windowmaker: is it loaded? |
| 13:10.27 | windowmaker | i'll try again |
| 13:10.30 | klaas_ | loocek: Thist is useful, though I think I used an easyer method: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/package-database-rebuild.html |
| 13:10.54 | Mozo | Can anybody help me? :( |
| 13:10.56 | windowmaker | liable: it's in the modules document |
| 13:11.05 | liable | windowmaker: is it loaded? |
| 13:11.12 | jethro | windowmaker: if you use alsa, you'd better start the sound server on top with aoss <sndserver>, and setup alsa to use dmix |
| 13:11.20 | liable | windowmaker: lsmod, do you see it? |
| 13:11.22 | windowmaker | liable: when i type lsmod is says it's there... is that what you mean? |
| 13:11.26 | idealbsd | windowmaker, smod | grep snd | xargs rmmod then alsaconf && alsactl store |
| 13:11.27 | liable | yes |
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| 13:11.40 | hejux | hdparm -d1 -X69 -c3 -m16 /dev/hda ? |
| 13:11.43 | liable | windowmaker: did you install alsa-utils? |
| 13:11.59 | bobbens | Mozo: thats wierd, i just plugged my usb keyboard in while my ps/2 one was in and they both worked at the same time, then i just activated the usb one in bios and it works great, this with 2.6.10 kernel |
| 13:12.08 | windowmaker | liable: i'll check |
| 13:12.13 | liable | windowmaker: how did you adjust the sound mixer? |
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| 13:12.23 | tralala | hejux: did you notice the warning in the man page that you can end up with a fucked up hdd? |
| 13:12.30 | jethro | :) |
| 13:12.41 | windowmaker | liable: alsa-utils in now isntalling, and yes i did adjust the mixer |
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| 13:12.57 | windowmaker | liable: oh... how |
| 13:13.07 | windowmaker | liable: i did kmix, and then the gnome one |
| 13:13.20 | babytooth | hi |
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| 13:13.29 | liable | windowmaker: ok, once you have it installed , use alsamixer, adjust, then run 'alsactl store' |
| 13:13.37 | windowmaker | oaky |
| 13:13.39 | loocek | klaas_: thanks, I thought that it could be done by one command :) , and here is needed whole script |
| 13:13.59 | klaas_ | loocek: This one is easyer: http://linuxforum.com/debian/ch-package.en.html#s-recover-status |
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| 13:14.12 | snarf | what is the difference between kernel-image-2.6-686 and kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686? |
| 13:14.15 | klaas_ | loocek: I believe i used dselect, and that was all. |
| 13:14.22 | windowmaker | liable: done |
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| 13:14.34 | budluva | how do i get info on my ide hdd? |
| 13:14.35 | felixgonschorek | hi all, after upgrading to sarge, webalizer does not run no more. it says that it is compiled with png.h from libpng-1.0.12 but running with png.c from libpng-1.2.8. |
| 13:14.38 | liable | windowmaker: run 'alsamixer' |
| 13:14.51 | windowmaker | i sjut did that |
| 13:14.59 | felixgonschorek | i tried to compile it myself, but i still get this message. |
| 13:15.02 | felixgonschorek | any idea? |
| 13:15.05 | budluva | like is there an lspci type of command for ide information? |
| 13:15.15 | Mozo | bobbens my kernel is 2.4.24.. my keyboard is detected by usb-uhci, i made some tests plugging and unplugging the usb keyboard, the system has been detected the plugging/unplugging and changing the USB port.. |
| 13:15.17 | felixgonschorek | i can't uninstall libpng2 caus other applications need it. |
| 13:15.31 | Mozo | bobbens but no work |
| 13:15.37 | liable | windowmaker: ok, try a reboot, see how you go. (you ran alsactl store?) |
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| 13:15.41 | klaas_ | loocek: But this tiny script does seem good to me, it parses info from /usr/share/doc (every package has info there, debian policy) and set's the selections with that. After that run dselect to install/reregister the packages. |
| 13:15.51 | babytooth | well,does sarge move to new-stable(w00dy)? |
| 13:15.52 | windowmaker | liable: full reboot, or just restart X? |
| 13:15.59 | liable | reboot |
| 13:16.22 | Mozo | bobbens and when I reading the /var/log/messages I view this message: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout |
| 13:16.29 | osity | any software raid1 experts? |
| 13:16.33 | Gnea | babytooth: over a week ago. |
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| 13:16.39 | bobbens | Mozo: i'd bet for changing to a 2.6 kernel, probably the easiest way to get it working |
| 13:16.43 | babytooth | oh,thanks |
| 13:16.57 | loocek | klaas_: without dselect there is no way ? I don't use dselect :) |
| 13:17.11 | babytooth | new sarge(unstable) = ?? |
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| 13:17.19 | Mozo | mm |
| 13:17.21 | liable | no, stable |
| 13:17.24 | klaas_ | loocek: I don't either, except for these things. |
| 13:17.25 | babytooth | old sid? |
| 13:17.27 | Gnea | babytooth: do you know english? |
| 13:17.31 | bobbens | Mozo: i havent worked with 2.4 kernels at all so i cant help you there, but if you grab the 2.6.8 kernel (sarge stable one) it might work outta the box |
| 13:17.32 | liable | hah |
| 13:17.33 | babytooth | no |
| 13:17.42 | babytooth | (silly) |
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| 13:17.51 | liable | yes :) |
| 13:17.54 | Gnea | (and unintelligent to boot) |
| 13:17.55 | moi_ | hello, it seems as the courier-imap package is compiled without authvchkpw support. so my question: how can i get the exact same pakage just with authchkpw support. |
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| 13:18.12 | klaas_ | loocek: It's good to keep it around, even though you don't need it in normal life. ;-) |
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| 13:18.14 | felixgonschorek | how can i tell ./configure to use libpng12, not libpng2? for running and compiling? |
| 13:18.18 | Mozo | !find kernel |
| 13:18.20 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel' (15 of 246): cman-kernel-dev ;; cpad-kernel-dev ;; cpad-kernel-source ;; fai-kernels ;; kernel-build-2.4.27-2 ;; kernel-doc-2.2.25 ;; kernel-doc-2.4.24 ;; kernel-doc-2.4.25 ;; kernel-doc-2.4.26 ;; kernel-doc-2.4.27 ;; kernel-doc-2.4.27-speakup ;; kernel-doc-2.6.10 ;; kernel-doc-2.6.11 ;; kernel-doc-2.6.8 ;; kernel-headers-2.4-386. |
| 13:18.28 | loocek | klaas_: hmm, then I must learn dselect, ok thanks for all! |
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| 13:18.40 | bobbens | Mozo: you can /msg dpkg find kernel to save us the spam :P |
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| 13:18.42 | klaas_ | loocek: goodluck. |
| 13:19.00 | Mozo | bobbens LOL :P |
| 13:19.10 | thornbird | Anyone know which debian install package contains the driver for NCR53C710 (sim710) scsi controller. |
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| 13:19.27 | thornbird | Or point me to a place that has that info |
| 13:19.30 | babytooth | ^^ |
| 13:19.41 | Gnea | babytooth: really, i have no idea what you're asking exactly, just ask the question straight forward instead of assuming we know what you're talking about |
| 13:19.42 | osity | any software raid1 experts? Please message me |
| 13:19.54 | windowmaker | liable: w00t, sound is working. i take it that it'll be full-time (i forgot the antonym for temporary LOL) because it worked when rebooting ^_^ |
| 13:19.58 | babytooth | ... |
| 13:19.58 | Gnea | !tell osity about rules |
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| 13:20.19 | liable | windowmaker: nice. yes should work now. |
| 13:20.30 | windowmaker | liable: thanks alot man/woman |
| 13:20.30 | liable | osity: just ask dude. |
| 13:20.40 | hellz | hi, could some body help me in resolving my lvs setup, i am facing a great problem |
| 13:20.42 | liable | hehe np. |
| 13:20.49 | hellz | it's not working? |
| 13:20.53 | Gnea | !ask |
| 13:20.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 13:21.05 | osity | liable i need to setup raid 1 |
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| 13:21.20 | osity | I've been asking for months |
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| 13:21.44 | liable | osity: just state the problem/error or whatever, if someone knows, they will help. :) |
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| 13:21.52 | hellz | i have added the real servers , masq is also enabled, but when i try to do a simple telnet it is not working |
| 13:21.58 | hejux | sudo apt-get remove xdm will remove x-window-system ,that will be ok next time boot ? |
| 13:21.59 | scarynetworkguy | osity: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 13:22.02 | scarynetworkguy | Have fun. |
| 13:22.08 | thornbird | anyone able to advise me :)))) |
| 13:22.15 | hellz | if i do ipvsadm -L --stats, i could see the incoming packets |
| 13:22.28 | tralala | is it sunday already?!? |
| 13:22.28 | osity | liable: my problem is I CANT SET IT UP!!! |
| 13:22.32 | tralala | !irritate me |
| 13:22.33 | dpkg | tralala: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses dvd !!!1 |
| 13:22.38 | abydos | is there a way to make esd put out sound through esd? |
| 13:22.46 | jethro | tralala: permatardsday |
| 13:23.00 | paulswm | jethro: *sigh* |
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| 13:23.08 | liable | osity: well, how about telling us why? |
| 13:23.19 | jethro | !fruitsmite paulswm |
| 13:23.22 | klaas_ | loocek: the script can be simplified to: find /usr/share/doc/*/changelog.Debian.gz -print | cut -d '/' -f5 | dpkg --set-selections |
| 13:23.30 | abydos | erp, redundancy department of redundancy |
| 13:23.35 | liable | !beersmite me |
| 13:23.39 | paulswm | !prise jethro |
| 13:23.41 | liable | yah :P |
| 13:23.46 | klaas_ | loocek: then run dselect. |
| 13:23.49 | abydos | !fruitsmite esd |
| 13:23.50 | tralala | haaaa :) |
| 13:23.51 | idealbsd | thornbird, it must be in kernel-image or you should compile one for you |
| 13:23.52 | osity | liable: cuz i dont know which method to use....I've been at it and attemped EVERY how to ....even spent 3 hours with a guy walking me through it.. |
| 13:23.59 | streuner | !botabuse |
| 13:23.59 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 13:24.05 | Angelo- | !passblunt Angelo |
| 13:24.07 | babytooth | ? |
| 13:24.23 | jm_ | abydos: you can make it send stuff to another esd daemon via TCP/IP |
| 13:24.23 | streuner | play in #debian-bots |
| 13:24.26 | Gnea | ah, the trolls are out early today |
| 13:24.32 | abydos | jm_: I meant jack ;x |
| 13:24.46 | abydos | jm_: suffice it to say that it's too friggin early for my brain to be awake |
| 13:24.48 | liable | streuner: lighten up dude |
| 13:24.59 | Mozo | bobbens I installing 2.6.8.. |
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| 13:25.20 | streuner | liable: what do you think you switch to IRC and see 3-4 people playing with dpkg? |
| 13:25.22 | jm_ | abydos: no idea about that |
| 13:25.36 | abydos | jm_: as in, let ESD put sound out via jack |
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| 13:26.40 | osity | scarynetworkguy: does that RAID 1 setup boot off the raid drive? |
| 13:26.48 | tralala | streuner: you just ran into the worst moment :) |
| 13:26.51 | paulswm | streuner: I agree with liable, I look back through the log and see one brief interlude with dpkg over the last 60 minutes at least |
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| 13:26.57 | bobbens | Mozo: k, tell me if it works (it should) |
| 13:27.08 | jm_ | abydos: it should be able to use ALSA and hence JACK |
| 13:27.15 | scarynetworkguy | osity: Read it. |
| 13:27.20 | Mozo | bobbens ok, I installed kernel 2.6.8 |
| 13:27.21 | abydos | well hell, it would have helped if I'd fgi'd it |
| 13:27.28 | abydos | jm_: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-multimedia/2004-August/msg00000.html |
| 13:27.29 | bobbens | Mozo: you have to reboot into it |
| 13:27.40 | Mozo | bobbens what I have to modify to work with this kernel? |
| 13:27.49 | Mozo | bobbens Only reboot? |
| 13:27.49 | osity | scarynetworkguy: well i've tries that how to months ago and it didnt' |
| 13:27.54 | thornbird | IdealBsd: Its not in kernal. I thought it might b in one of the drivers disks that u can load like the scsi-rare-****. I dont know how 2 compile kernels |
| 13:27.54 | bobbens | Mozo: reboot and choose kernel 2.6.8 when grub appears |
| 13:27.57 | Mozo | (i had installed via apt-get) |
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| 13:28.05 | bobbens | Mozo: it should be set as default kernel |
| 13:28.05 | osity | scarynetworkguy: tried |
| 13:28.18 | bobbens | Mozo: reboot and type `uname -r` and if it says 2.6.8 its working |
| 13:28.23 | Mozo | bobbens I use lilo |
| 13:28.30 | gromf | where can I find some documentation for ICH6 Sata ? |
| 13:28.34 | bobbens | Mozo: never used lilo, but it should work |
| 13:28.39 | maher | osity: what do you expect people here to do for you? |
| 13:28.41 | jm_ | abydos: ahh native support |
| 13:28.44 | streuner | gromf: /msg dpkg sata faq |
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| 13:28.50 | Mozo | bobbens hm |
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| 13:29.12 | maher | osity: start following the sw raid howto - ask specific questions when you get stuck |
| 13:29.19 | abydos | jm_: yeah, that was what I was aiming for, because arts can use jack, and I need to use jack to do audio work |
| 13:29.22 | bobbens | Mozo: just reboot and it should give you the option to boot up into the new kernel (grub does it automatically and makes it default) and then it should work |
| 13:29.23 | gromf | streuner: thanks... |
| 13:29.24 | Tecky | is there a way for me to get a Fasttrack TX2200 (SATA Raid Controler) in a debian release? |
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| 13:29.33 | osity | maher |
| 13:29.48 | jm_ | Tecky: sure, many things are doable with a custom kernel |
| 13:29.51 | Mozo | bobbens hm.. I will download grub.. |
| 13:30.15 | Tecky | jm: i need it for a install on my new server .. but cant seem to find a iso w/ it |
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| 13:30.22 | moi_ | hello, when i download the source-package. how can i build it so that it would be the same as if i apt-get installe'd it? |
| 13:30.23 | bobbens | Mozo: just curious, you using woody? |
| 13:30.27 | osity | maher: well im stuck at the beginning....the how to's are not walkthroughs at all ..... |
| 13:30.51 | jm_ | Tecky: well then you'll have to build a kernel with support for it |
| 13:31.09 | scarynetworkguy | osity: Yeah. They assume that you can read and think and bring a basic level of knowledge to the table. Damn them. |
| 13:31.16 | osity | maher: the how to does not indicate how the drives will be partitioned or what will be raided |
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| 13:31.17 | scarynetworkguy | !tell osity about smart questions |
| 13:31.18 | Mozo | bobbens I installed a Knoppix Linux, but I had updated to Debian 3.1 with apt-get |
| 13:31.19 | Mozo | :) |
| 13:31.23 | Tecky | jm_: problem with that is i dont have any dev. boxes to do that on =\ |
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| 13:31.29 | idealbsd | thornbird, http://www.cpqlinux.com/sim710.html google what you want and not just rely on irc and so on |
| 13:31.39 | maher | osity: you need to decide what you want to do |
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| 13:31.46 | babytooth | who could tell me that w00dy+backport = ?? |
| 13:31.46 | bobbens | Mozo: as long as you can reboot into the new kernel it should work |
| 13:31.46 | wolaopa | got this msg during boot: "/etc/modprobe.conf exists but does not include /etc/modprobe.d". how to correct this? |
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| 13:31.59 | gromf | streuner: I've already seen these pages |
| 13:32.00 | osity | I know EXACTLY what I want ...... |
| 13:32.01 | Mozo | hm |
| 13:32.16 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 13:32.18 | jm_ | Tecky: yes, that can be tricky |
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| 13:32.32 | KimHansen | Is it an error that pgaccess is in unstable depends on libpgtcl which is not in unstable? (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/pgaccess) |
| 13:32.36 | elephantman | Does anyone knows this problem with ghostscript : Error: /invalidfont in findfont |
| 13:32.40 | liable | wolaopa: what module? |
| 13:32.56 | CdeMills | Hello |
| 13:33.03 | liable | wolaopa: what have you done to get that? |
| 13:33.06 | Tecky | jm_: is there anyway to get a iso w/ it built in ? like someone make one for me or testing or something? |
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| 13:33.16 | jm_ | Tecky: well if you can find one |
| 13:33.45 | Pazzo | is there a shortcut for the screenshot tool? |
| 13:33.47 | tralala | osity: we do as well - you want someone else to do the job for you. I would say that you're out of luck here - go molest the people someplace else |
| 13:34.19 | babytooth | .... |
| 13:34.19 | osity | tralala: you sound like a molester |
| 13:34.34 | praha1 | elephantman: maybe you have a document with a non standard font ... gsfonts-* could help (try -other and -x11 first) |
| 13:34.40 | babytooth | good saying |
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| 13:34.51 | tralala | osity: and you sound like a troll who is *that* close to being reported to the ops |
| 13:34.54 | CdeMills | There are THREE ispell.el : /usr/share/emacs/21.4/lisp/textmodes/ispell.el |
| 13:34.54 | CdeMills | /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/ispell.el |
| 13:34.54 | CdeMills | /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/debian-ispell.el |
| 13:34.54 | CdeMills | Which one is used by Emacs ? |
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| 13:34.59 | osity | I have two drives in the system ... I want complete redundancy if one fails I just pop in another drive....finished.... |
| 13:35.03 | wolaopa | liable, i have been installing many packages and done many things to my system. i don't know which one cause the error. |
| 13:35.27 | thornbird | idealbsd: I came to irc as a last resort - no offence intended. That link assumes Redhat, i want to install Debian. No room on debian bootfloppy to copy that image |
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| 13:35.33 | elephantman | praha1: ok thanx - i have this message with "convert label:Anthony test_magik.jpg" |
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| 13:35.43 | wolaopa | it is not serious, it seems. my system works well. i just want a clean boot-up. |
| 13:35.50 | liable | wolaopa: well, you are silly maybe? :) look in your kernel log maybe. |
| 13:35.59 | paulswm | osity: The software raid howto seems pretty comprehensive to me. Section 5.6 even gives a description and example of partitinoning and setup. There's also a section on booting and root filesystem on raid if you really must do that. |
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| 13:36.03 | osity | tralala: go ahead loser ......get a life and leave me alone |
| 13:36.26 | paulswm | osity: Please stop that. |
| 13:36.29 | sHiZo | Hi! Does Debian support an installion over DSL |
| 13:36.30 | wolaopa | liable, you are liable for what you say here, ok? |
| 13:36.34 | beardy | osity: You wont get any answers with that attitude. |
| 13:36.34 | babytooth | osity: o_O |
| 13:37.01 | babytooth | sHiZo: debian from bootstrap |
| 13:37.18 | wolaopa | liable, all i get from you is maybe, maybe, maybe...maybe you are a moron? |
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| 13:37.31 | elephantman | How can i check env variables ? |
| 13:37.34 | thornbird | sHiZo - Yes |
| 13:37.39 | elephantman | i mean list |
| 13:37.43 | babytooth | sHiZo: nice oh...oh... |
| 13:37.43 | jlj_ | is apm bad/broken in the 2.6 kernel? it worked very nicely on a (rather old) laptop in 2.4 but seems quite fleaky with 2.6 (spins down-up-down, wakeup takes about 20 seconds) |
| 13:37.44 | osity | that attitude is just toward trala.... |
| 13:37.44 | petemc | elephantman: set, printenv |
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| 13:38.07 | petemc | elephantman: echo $FOO |
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| 13:38.09 | jm_ | jlj_: /msg dpkg worked in 2.4 |
| 13:38.26 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! I am having unprecedented problems with nautilus! It is fresh sarge install, nothing fancy on it but from time to time i am getting: nautilus ended unexpectedly kind of error! |
| 13:38.36 | babytooth | jlj_: no,mine is ok |
| 13:38.36 | praha1 | shivraj: if you have an ethernet modem no pb, if an usb few drivers are free and you may to do some advanced tweaking of the install to get the driver loaded |
| 13:38.40 | maher | osity: do you need to boot off raid? that's harder - maybe that's why you are confused |
| 13:38.53 | wolaopa | liable, are you a moron? |
| 13:38.58 | babytooth | jlj_: apm & acpi |
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| 13:39.17 | sHiZo | thornbird: nice. I have downloaded "debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso". It's a minimal Install disk. I tried to configure my Internet connection, but it seems that it only supports modem. |
| 13:39.19 | Xuse | jlj_ the 2.6 series is quite bumpy. |
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| 13:39.41 | praha1 | jlj_: no ... old pc have a good apm and broken acpi , newer have good acpi though sometime broken apm ... the kernel apm have not changed afaik between 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 13:39.54 | liable | wolaopa: maybe you are a fucking troll that hasnt even bothered to google your'e problem *plonk* |
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| 13:40.11 | liable | asshole |
| 13:40.22 | bernouli | is testing stable? |
| 13:40.29 | babytooth | jlj_: 2.6 had a good performance |
| 13:40.34 | b0ef | what can I use to put an svg icon in a binary? |
| 13:40.36 | Xuse | It's called testing for a reason. |
| 13:40.36 | wolaopa | liable, and tralala are both fucking S.O.B. |
| 13:40.51 | babytooth | liable: me? |
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| 13:40.57 | liable | babytooth: no |
| 13:41.00 | bernouli | Xuse, so it is not stable |
| 13:41.01 | sHiZo | thornbird: so how do i configure DSL? |
| 13:41.06 | babytooth | liable: um |
| 13:41.08 | idealbsd | thornbird, can't sarge installer recognize your scsi disk? if not just use a knoppix to boot it then to lsmod what's the scsi driver it is, and install with debootstrap or just remember the driver module and compile one module or a kernel, which is very easy |
| 13:41.22 | K_Dallas | this is what i have found in my xsession-errors: |
| 13:41.24 | K_Dallas | (nautilus:3111): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_ref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed |
| 13:41.24 | babytooth | SOB? |
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| 13:41.41 | babytooth | KGB something? |
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| 13:42.16 | Xuse | bernouli, well at the moment it is quite stable but it's not stable. |
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| 13:42.35 | wolaopa | tralala, don't be a pain, leave osity alone. |
| 13:42.37 | sHiZo | How to configure a dsl connection in debian. Can someone please help me? |
| 13:42.43 | bernouli | ok, thanks |
| 13:42.49 | hellz | any solution to my problem |
| 13:43.12 | thornbird | sHiZo: Sorry m8. Just remembered, I am accessing internet from a network card then via a redhat linux box. |
| 13:43.19 | jlj_ | praha1/others: ok, I tried quite a lot of things and the behaviour was always the same. Was there any more significant changes between 2.4 and 2.6 except the premptive kernel that might affect apm (I tried to disable that and about all combinations under apm in menuconfig) |
| 13:43.21 | praha1 | K_Dallas: please "reportbug nautilus" you can make it important ... please add comments about your setup (using a windows share while it happens or such helpfull things :) |
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| 13:43.50 | elephantman | Thanx all |
| 13:43.59 | elephantman | How can i force a process to quit |
| 13:44.07 | elephantman | kill doesnt kill it |
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| 13:44.15 | wols | sHiZo: run pppoeconf. If you use pppoe that is (adsl with username/password) |
| 13:44.21 | osity | maher: well ya i need to boot off raid : |
| 13:44.22 | Gnea | elephantman: kill -9 |
| 13:44.22 | paulswm | elephantman: kill -9 |
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| 13:44.31 | paulswm | !highfive Gnea |
| 13:44.35 | Gnea | :) |
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| 13:44.50 | K_Dallas | praha1, i will do so, thanks but have you heard of similar situations form others by any chance? |
| 13:44.50 | Xuse | Stepping on each others toes? ;p |
| 13:44.51 | osity | maher: and ya .....that's prolly why im having trouble.. |
| 13:45.02 | sHiZo | wols: does it connect to my provider too or do i have to do anything else? |
| 13:45.05 | Gnea | hey, where's the #uml channel? it's not on freenode. |
| 13:45.07 | ricky_clarkson | So what's the plan with etch? Xorg? Any new platforms? |
| 13:45.25 | Gnea | for user mode linux |
| 13:45.32 | Xuse | less platforms as far as i know. |
| 13:45.38 | osity | i just wanted 2 drives completely raided.....that means the OS is on both right?> |
| 13:45.39 | praha1 | jlj_: if you use a kernel with apm AND acpi , acpi will be used . You should build your own with only apm enabled or maybe try to pass "acpi=no" at the kernel prompt |
| 13:45.40 | idnar | still, amd64 will be new |
| 13:45.43 | wols | sHiZo: after you set up the connection, use "pon dsl-provider" or whatever you named the connection |
| 13:45.47 | ricky_clarkson | Xuse: What's leaving? |
| 13:45.54 | Xuse | Not sure. |
| 13:45.57 | elephantman | Gnea: kill -9 pid ? |
| 13:46.09 | ricky_clarkson | In the /topic, what's this about sid being literally unstable? |
| 13:46.11 | Xuse | but someone in here mentioned something about it, can't remember who.. |
| 13:46.21 | paulswm | elephantman: yes |
| 13:46.22 | Gnea | elephantman: yeah |
| 13:46.23 | praha1 | K_Dallas: yes but they are fixed now ... your setup must have something we never encountered :( |
| 13:46.25 | sHiZo | wols: is pppoeconf always installed or do i have to install it first? |
| 13:46.25 | Gnea | nevermind, found it |
| 13:46.31 | jlj_ | praha1: I built it with only apm (except one time just to try acpi, didn't work and I don't think the laptop has it) |
| 13:46.45 | abydos | I'd say we're probably losing the really old platforms like sparc32... just a guess though |
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| 13:46.53 | wols | ricky_clarkson: before a new debian release gets stable, the testing branch is frozen. a lot of packages which should be in testing are held back in sid then |
| 13:46.54 | liable | ricky_clarkson: only gnome probs I believe. |
| 13:47.00 | elephantman | Gnea: super thanx |
| 13:47.04 | ricky_clarkson | liable: Galeon? |
| 13:47.06 | elephantman | paulswm: thanx |
| 13:47.09 | wols | which is why sid isn't really unstable in that period. it is in name, but not in fact |
| 13:47.11 | paulswm | elephantman: yw |
| 13:47.15 | jlj_ | praha1: and apm in fact worked, it was just quite..fleaky |
| 13:47.16 | Xuse | sHiZo /usr/sbin/pppoeconf |
| 13:47.20 | Gnea | wols: wrong. |
| 13:47.32 | ricky_clarkson | !bugs galeon |
| 13:47.34 | dpkg | do_pkg not supported yet. |
| 13:47.37 | wolaopa | does debian 'testing' support Bluetooth? |
| 13:47.37 | wols | sHiZo: always installed (at least was for me. never installed from sarge yet. But I guess it's still inculded even in netinst isos |
| 13:47.46 | wols | Gnea: then enlighten me |
| 13:47.49 | praha1 | jlj_: and it worked perfectly on the same pc with 2.4 ? |
| 13:48.00 | Gnea | wols: unstable is always unstable, there's always something broken |
| 13:48.11 | maher | osity: did you read section 7.3 about booting on raid? |
| 13:48.11 | sHiZo | i guess i have to try. Thanks for your help. |
| 13:48.12 | Gnea | you can install it, and it will work |
| 13:48.12 | osity | maher: are you familiar with setting up raid? |
| 13:48.14 | K_Dallas | ok, praha1 |
| 13:48.15 | Gnea | but something braeks |
| 13:48.17 | Gnea | always |
| 13:48.23 | praha1 | jlj_: if the pc is newer than around 1998 it support acpi |
| 13:48.30 | togs | sHiZo, is this a separate machine? |
| 13:48.39 | sHiZo | no |
| 13:48.43 | maher | osity: no - i don't use raid |
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| 13:48.52 | osity | maher: checking that section |
| 13:48.54 | sHiZo | same machine |
| 13:48.56 | thornbird | idealbsd: thx 4 info. I will checkout sarge and knoppix. I am limited to floppy install until i can get scsi hdd to b recognised. I assume sarge and knoppix will work on fdd |
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| 13:49.17 | togs | ok. some modems tie to the Mac address on the NIC, that's all. took me forever to bust that nut |
| 13:49.19 | wols | Gnea: so when was sid stable in any way (to be unstable _again_ it had to be stable at least for a short period)? |
| 13:49.35 | Gnea | wols: you are, again, wrong. |
| 13:49.50 | wols | how so? |
| 13:49.50 | K_Dallas | praha1, i have never reposrted any bug. I typed the command you gave and i just i think retrieved some bug report or something. What should i do now? or where could i read it? |
| 13:49.53 | Gnea | wols: you are also smoking crack. sid has *always* been unstable. |
| 13:49.56 | maher | osity: http://juerd.nl/site.plp/debianraid <-- did you see this? |
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| 13:50.03 | beardy | wols: /topic |
| 13:50.05 | ricky_clarkson | wols: I assume 'literally stable' means that stuff was crashing. |
| 13:50.07 | wols | Gnea: please take a course in logic and grammar |
| 13:50.11 | ricky_clarkson | s/was/is/ |
| 13:50.15 | ricky_clarkson | Gah. |
| 13:50.21 | praha1 | Gnea , wols : please plays ping-pong in private chans :) |
| 13:50.23 | ricky_clarkson | wols: I assume 'literally unstable' means that stuff is crashing. |
| 13:50.24 | Gnea | wols: please take a course of learning how not to spread FUD. |
| 13:50.34 | togs | try the pppoeconf as suggested, see you you go |
| 13:50.41 | Gnea | praha1: stfu and go drink your wine. |
| 13:50.49 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: Calm down, flower. |
| 13:50.49 | osity | maher: Ya i read it ...its short and vague |
| 13:50.51 | liable | troll night eh? |
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| 13:51.18 | jlj_ | praha1: yes, flawlessly on 2.4, no trouble on either shutdown or wakeup. now it is slow/strange on both. Ok, I think it is about from that era, maybe I should sheck acpi again, but I am a bit doubtful. it wasn't mentioned in the specs |
| 13:51.32 | wolaopa | does debian 'testing' support Bluetooth? |
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| 13:51.49 | beardy | paulswm: History teaches us that that always helps. |
| 13:51.52 | Gnea | wolaopa: quite likely |
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| 13:52.03 | ricky_clarkson | Does your IRC client support auto-repeating? |
| 13:52.07 | jlj_ | praha1: by the way, I thought i read that acpi was not quite implemented even in the latest kernels? |
| 13:52.15 | jlj_ | acpi shutdown, sorry |
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| 13:52.54 | wolaopa | Gnea, thks for the response. have you use stuff like wireless keyboard and mouse? |
| 13:52.55 | wols | wolaopa: it does, or at least the kernel does. If your BT chip is supported might be another story |
| 13:52.56 | maher | osity: http://juerd.nl/site.plp/debianraid <-- vague? he gives you every command you need to type |
| 13:53.20 | Rixa | gnome |
| 13:53.21 | wolaopa | wols, thks, but what is BT chip? |
| 13:53.22 | Gnea | wolaopa: no i haven't |
| 13:53.22 | osity | maher: thanks! |
| 13:53.24 | Rixa | (oops) |
| 13:53.50 | wols | BT = BlueTooth. and hardware usually uses microchips or chips for short |
| 13:54.05 | Gnea | !bt |
| 13:54.05 | dpkg | bt sux0rs. Bhutan, or bluetooth. British Telecom |
| 13:54.19 | ricky_clarkson | British Telecom indeed sucks. |
| 13:54.24 | thornbird | lol |
| 13:54.36 | avu | dpkg: bt is also bittorent |
| 13:54.36 | dpkg | okay, avu |
| 13:54.44 | wolaopa | wols, right, got to check my kernel config and choose the right modules, right? |
| 13:54.50 | maher | osity: by the way that was the first response to google:installing debian on raid |
| 13:54.54 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg: bt =~ s/bittorent/bittorrent/ |
| 13:54.54 | dpkg | OK, ricky_clarkson |
| 13:54.56 | paulswm | beardy: It does help in a barfight with willing participants, cleans up the gene pool a bit |
| 13:55.00 | liable | jlj_: whats the logs say with a stsndard kernel, regarding acpi? |
| 13:55.01 | avu | oh, sorry |
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| 13:55.57 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: we don't eat everything, we eat most things |
| 13:56.02 | Gnea | get it right :) |
| 13:56.22 | liable | Gnea: in large amounts though :) |
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| 13:56.34 | Gnea | liable: only the ones with no self control |
| 13:56.55 | tralala | you mean only 99%? |
| 13:57.02 | ricky_clarkson | You stole from our colour, humour and aluminium! |
| 13:57.05 | wols | which comprises 99% of the population |
| 13:57.17 | jlj_ | liable: I'm not quite sure, I think it said "acpi: not found" during boot. and no function keys worked (ie fn+suspend). is there anything special to look for if I install an acpi enabled kernel again? |
| 13:57.28 | wolaopa | wols, i miss out your line on BT, it is BlueTooth of course, i am slow today. |
| 13:57.31 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: stop now while you still can ;) |
| 13:57.35 | liable | jlj_: what laptop? |
| 13:57.42 | ricky_clarkson | !Euroenglish |
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| 13:58.10 | ricky_clarkson | !Euroenglish is <reply>http://www.icw-net.com/howto/funstuff/euroengl.htm |
| 13:58.10 | dpkg | okay, ricky_clarkson |
| 13:58.13 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: ^^ |
| 13:58.19 | tralala | aluminium?! what can be stolen from there? |
| 13:58.26 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: "aluminum" |
| 13:58.39 | tralala | oh, no :) |
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| 13:58.49 | ricky_clarkson | Actually, the reason for that is that the guy who named aluminium changed his mind. |
| 13:58.52 | jlj_ | liable: a dell latitude xpi p133 (yes, yes it's old but it works ;) |
| 13:58.56 | ircdevil | umount /cdrom sas it is in use - how can i find out what process that may be? |
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| 13:59.26 | IlMerovingio|afk | Ave |
| 13:59.28 | petemc | ircdevil: lsof |
| 13:59.39 | liable | jlj_: I take it you have googled to see if acpi is supported with it, no? |
| 13:59.55 | vladkao | tralala: halumin ;-) |
| 14:00.10 | tralala | vladkao: govori mi :) |
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| 14:00.18 | IlMerovingio|afk | hi there are italian chatter? because i don't speak english very well and i need help! :) |
| 14:00.21 | ircdevil | petemc: hah - it is galeon! (prolly because i use galeon to browse directories at some point) |
| 14:00.32 | ricky_clarkson | IlMerovingio|afk: #debian.it per favore. |
| 14:00.46 | IlMerovingio|afk | grazie nn lo sapevo :D |
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| 14:01.19 | paulswm | !it |
| 14:01.19 | dpkg | i guess italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 14:01.41 | ricky_clarkson | IlMerovingio|afk: mi dispiace - e' #debian-it |
| 14:01.43 | sussudio | !tasso IlMerovingio|afk |
| 14:01.44 | dpkg | IlMerovingio|afk: tasso tasso tasso tasso fungo fungo serpente! serpente! |
| 14:02.01 | paulswm | HAH |
| 14:02.11 | wolaopa | IlMerovingio|afk, mama mia, bambino, that's all the Italian i know. |
| 14:02.15 | ricky_clarkson | quattro formaggi! |
| 14:02.24 | paulswm | !prize sussudio |
| 14:02.27 | jlj_ | liable: well, actually I haven't anything regarding acpi on that computer. only apm.. |
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| 14:02.43 | ricky_clarkson | sussudio: Hello. |
| 14:02.46 | jlj_ | liable: nothing in the official specs either |
| 14:02.59 | sussudio | http://www.apasrsm.org/ambiente/c-nat/tasso.htm |
| 14:02.59 | snail | is there a text editor that handles files >2GB sanely? |
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| 14:05.26 | osity | maher: well that is completely diff from all the other how to's.......... |
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| 14:06.03 | osity | maher: i hope the result is not a waste of time like all the others...thanks again.....ill try it |
| 14:06.16 | osity | maher: I've been at this for 3 months.... |
| 14:06.44 | liable | jlj_: your only 2.6 kernel is compiled, or have you tried a debian image? |
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| 14:07.30 | osity | maher: Well already stuck on step one... |
| 14:07.31 | osity | Get a bootable cd with debootstrap and RAID support, like KNOPPIX, and boot from it |
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| 14:09.06 | osity | im really surprised how difficult it is in unix to do simple stuff......it will take more than a lifetime to adopt... |
| 14:09.25 | osity | raid in windows is a piece of cake. |
| 14:09.27 | ricky_clarkson | osity: What is difficult? |
| 14:09.30 | osity | haha |
| 14:09.32 | osity | ya right |
| 14:09.35 | guf | is it evdev support in 2.6.11 ? |
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| 14:09.52 | ricky_clarkson | I've known lots of people do raid in Linux. I've never done it, but simpler minds than mine have |
| 14:10.19 | maher | osity: ask a specific question - what do you expect us to do when yuo say you are stuck? |
| 14:10.25 | osity | ricky_clarkson: I own a chain of computer stores and have extensive knowledge with computers, I've been at this for months just to setup raid... |
| 14:10.30 | paulswm | Exactly, ricky_clarkson, linux doesn't appear to be the problem here. |
| 14:10.33 | conreyt | osity: If you're using unix you're on the wrong irc channel |
| 14:10.44 | osity | maher: im just chatting at this point |
| 14:11.01 | K_Dallas | Alsa and Jack(d): besides installing the relevant packages, do i have to do any manual editing/configuration so that alsa and jackd work harmoniously together? it is really annoying to play music and all other applications sound-alerts be muted. appreciate any help, thanks |
| 14:11.04 | ricky_clarkson | osity: My gf partly functions as technical support, but she thinks she's safe from Outlook viruses if she doesn't double-click on the email. |
| 14:11.12 | tralala | !pebkac |
| 14:11.12 | dpkg | pebkac is, like, Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 14:11.37 | jlj_ | liable: I have tried both..stock kernel behaved exactly the same |
| 14:12.04 | osity | I can teach a grade 9 high school kid to raid windows in about 1 hour.... |
| 14:12.15 | osity | and he will remember it all... |
| 14:12.29 | maher | osity: why not run windows then? |
| 14:12.40 | osity | maher: vulnerability |
| 14:12.56 | osity | the virus/hack issue |
| 14:13.12 | osity | maher: really thinking about it though.... :) |
| 14:13.22 | osity | hehe |
| 14:13.33 | maher | osity: why are stuck on step 1 - just get a live cd |
| 14:13.35 | liable | jlj_: hmm, what kernel anyways? tried a different 2.6 version? |
| 14:13.38 | ricky_clarkson | osity: If you don't connect the computer to the Internet, or do anything with it, Windows is reasonably secure. |
| 14:13.40 | caphuso | it took me about an hour setting my raid-1 one up, including time spent reading the howto and the mdadm docs |
| 14:13.44 | bluefox83 | osity, it shouldn't be too hard to create a raid array, did you read the documentation? |
| 14:13.45 | osity | haha |
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| 14:14.06 | caphuso | and it didn't occur to me once in that whole time that something was supposed to be difficult |
| 14:14.09 | osity | caphuso: how many drives? |
| 14:14.11 | hejux | how to play online movies ? |
| 14:14.12 | caphuso | osity: two |
| 14:14.20 | K_Dallas | anyways, guys! ane help with my sound configuration? I have tried to follow some of the guides i have found on the alsa and jack sites and some for debian but i am more confused than what i was beforehand |
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| 14:14.26 | osity | caphuso: what is raided |
| 14:14.33 | ricky_clarkson | caphuso: How long would it take you to explain it to someone who owns a chain of computer stores and has extensive computer knowledge? |
| 14:14.35 | bluefox83 | osity, creating a larger array shouldn't take any longer |
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| 14:14.46 | maher | ricky_clarkson: three months |
| 14:14.46 | K_Dallas | hejux, install mplayer and do: mplayer -playlist url |
| 14:14.50 | ricky_clarkson | maher: Hehehe! |
| 14:14.58 | paulswm | I think that qotd51 should be observed here. |
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| 14:15.03 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd51 |
| 14:15.03 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
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| 14:15.12 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 14:15.12 | dpkg | i guess qotd47 is <g4lt> okay, in a fit of complete irony, reportbug is puking on upgrade |
| 14:15.16 | bluefox83 | yeah..sounds right.. |
| 14:15.25 | ricky_clarkson | But qotd1 is always the best. |
| 14:15.28 | idealbsd | K_Dallas, mplayer is not official debian package |
| 14:15.32 | jlj_ | liable I tried the debian 2.6 kernel (2.6.8 i think) and the latest one 2.6.11.11 |
| 14:15.35 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: don't know. a couple of minutes if there's actual knowledge |
| 14:15.38 | sciron | I apparently have a bugar statusoverride file hanging out there that's preventing apt-get from updating things, and the dilly thing wants to upgrade base-files? ack! what now? |
| 14:15.39 | osity | caphuso: what is raided? the entire drive or just a partition? |
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| 14:15.49 | K_Dallas | idealbsd, true but you can still install it! |
| 14:15.49 | caphuso | osity: three partitions |
| 14:15.50 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: Yes, very good :) |
| 14:16.04 | caphuso | /dev/hd{a,d}{1,2,3} |
| 14:16.04 | K_Dallas | and it is too darn a good application anyways |
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| 14:16.36 | idealbsd | K_Dallas, better compile it yourself ;) |
| 14:16.46 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: I like qotd11 myself |
| 14:17.02 | K_Dallas | well the one from malriat or whatever it is called, works pretty good tho |
| 14:17.27 | K_Dallas | compiling it takes a long time and needs to add lots of peaces and bits |
| 14:17.49 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: I was teaching salsa, getting people to do a warm-up, and it involved punching (not each other). Then I did the punching bit again and said "let's put that fist back in there." AAGH. |
| 14:17.50 | jlj_ | liable: the thing is that everything I have tried always have resultet in the same thing (slow/strange sleep/restore). so I am a bit out of ideas..went back to 2.4 for the time |
| 14:18.05 | paulswm | Oh no! |
| 14:18.06 | idealbsd | just like make deb file for myself :) |
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| 14:18.47 | K_Dallas | Q: There is no kernel image of 2.6.8-11 for non amd64? or i just cannot see it |
| 14:19.01 | caphuso | hrm, i'm a liar... it's /dev/hd{a,d}{2,3,5} |
| 14:19.09 | xpato | are any odbc drivers for oracle? |
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| 14:21.14 | liable | jlj_: bugger, well, no real need to go 2.6 anyway if its supported with 2.4, but it sucks for sure. maybe file a bug or... |
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| 14:23.03 | osity | caphuso: so it is raided completely?...so if one fails you just replace it and boot?....or do you have to configure stuff? |
| 14:23.28 | caphuso | osity: if one fails, i'll go buy a new disk and replace the broken one |
| 14:23.37 | caphuso | don't have a spare :-( |
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| 14:23.58 | osity | caphuso: ya ..so if one fails you just replace it and boot?....or do you have to configure stuff |
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| 14:24.23 | caphuso | osity: i'll have to partition and the new disk like the old one |
| 14:24.39 | osity | oh ....you still have to go in and partition??? |
| 14:25.16 | tralala | omg! |
| 14:25.25 | tralala | i mean OMG!!! |
| 14:25.30 | osity | caphuso: oh... so raid doesnt copy partitions? |
| 14:25.40 | caphuso | osity: not the way i set it up |
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| 14:26.02 | osity | caphuso: why would you want to do extra work? |
| 14:26.06 | jlj_ | liable: yes I know, I haven't exactly been in a hurry to switched since 2.4 worked, but I was a bit surprised when a later version worked less than a previous..oh well, guess I could try a bug report..if someone is even developing apm anymore |
| 14:26.10 | caphuso | osity: more flexibility |
| 14:26.17 | osity | caphuso: in what sense |
| 14:26.35 | ___Oops | hi |
| 14:27.22 | caphuso | osity: e.g. if i find myself suddenly in need of another 40GiB of disk space, i could simply deavtivate one of the mirrored /home filesystems, finish the space needing work, and go back to normal. if i'd mirror on device level, i couldn't |
| 14:27.27 | liable | jlj_: bios the latest? |
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| 14:28.15 | dv__ | hi ppl |
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| 14:28.47 | dv__ | one question: I installed libqt3-dev, but there is no QTDIR environment variable defined |
| 14:28.52 | jlj_ | liable: yes, it hasn't been updated for ages |
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| 14:29.00 | dv__ | thus I have to define it myself. export QTDIR="/usr/share/qt3/" |
| 14:29.11 | tralala | dv__: it is not needed |
| 14:29.12 | dv__ | but where can I put it in so that this gets automatically defined? |
| 14:29.18 | dv__ | oh yes it is |
| 14:29.26 | dv__ | moc and uic do not work correctly without it here |
| 14:29.35 | dv__ | and scons neither when building QT projects |
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| 14:29.48 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 14:29.54 | dv__ | just got a lot of error because of the missing QTDIR. its guessed wrongly. /usr instead of /usr/share/qt3/ |
| 14:29.54 | tralala | dv__: in your .bashrc or in the system wide bashrc |
| 14:30.05 | amorphix | does anyone know how to get USB digital cameras to work in debian? |
| 14:30.10 | ben__ | Hi all, problem with fluxbox (already asked on #fluxbox, no answer): fluxbox doesn't display other font than "fixed" but fonts are installed (xterm -fn snap works by example) |
| 14:30.20 | babytooth | QT? Is java somrthing? |
| 14:30.25 | vladkao | tralala: are you a regular here? |
| 14:30.25 | tarzeau | amorphix: they just work? use camera.app |
| 14:30.29 | osity | caphuso: sounds a bit complicated....do you can add more drives later with your setup? |
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| 14:30.30 | tralala | amorphix: yes, plugin the camera, mount /dev/sda1 - there you go |
| 14:30.38 | caphuso | osity: of course |
| 14:30.41 | tralala | vladkao: lately... |
| 14:30.47 | petemc | amorphix: gphoto2 |
| 14:30.51 | liable | amorphix: if you cant browse it as mass storage, look at gphoto2 |
| 14:30.53 | amorphix | thanks guys, i will try |
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| 14:31.06 | osity | caphuso: that sounds like a smart setup....and all you have to do is partition it the same? or is there more? |
| 14:31.07 | babytooth | Is QT free? "real" free |
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| 14:31.16 | wigwam | Does anyone know an article about hardening debian for letting others via ssh to the server? Some tipps like chmod 700 /sbin or so? I know there are several types of requested "security". But I'd like to get an overview what should be taken care of... |
| 14:31.16 | amorphix | i have a canon powershot A60 which is listed in the digital cameras, but doesnt seem to get detected |
| 14:31.18 | asg | babytooth: it's in main |
| 14:31.27 | babytooth | oh |
| 14:31.54 | caphuso | osity: nope |
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| 14:32.03 | ictyl | what's up with wxpython2.5.x? I think I remember it being removed a month or so ago due to licensing issues of a few files, with the maintainer saying it would be back soon, but now I can't seem to find (google, altavista) any info about it and bugs.debian.org doesn't say anything either (I guess since the package was removed). |
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| 14:32.09 | osity | caphuso: im new to linux and really wanted an easy way to raid this... |
| 14:32.20 | osity | was your method easy?> |
| 14:32.21 | donpablo | how can i remove fromm boot this module ppp_generic 20756 2 pppoe,pppox |
| 14:32.25 | caphuso | osity: yes |
| 14:32.25 | hejux | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.27 | juacar | gringos locos |
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| 14:32.36 | osity | caphusi: are you using grub? |
| 14:32.40 | babytooth | ictyl: what's up ? wxpython |
| 14:32.45 | carmon | hola |
| 14:32.47 | caphuso | osity: like i said, i spent a bit of time reading the docs, and *bang* it worked |
| 14:32.49 | amorphix | how much can one expect to pay for a 2nd user 20GB laptop HDD these days? |
| 14:32.49 | carmon | como tan |
| 14:32.53 | caphuso | osity: lilo |
| 14:33.04 | osity | oh ....why lilo... |
| 14:33.09 | ictyl | wxpython2.5.3 used to be a package but is not any more |
| 14:33.13 | caphuso | osity: because i know lilo |
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| 14:33.27 | caphuso | and grub keeps confusing me |
| 14:33.30 | babytooth | ictyl: k k k |
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| 14:33.39 | osity | caphusi: oh you know lilo....personally? |
| 14:33.56 | babytooth | ictyl: include in python? |
| 14:33.57 | caphuso | not to forget that it failed a few times too often on me... |
| 14:34.07 | liable | osity: heard of tab completion? |
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| 14:34.13 | osity | nope |
| 14:34.14 | caphuso | or proper spelling |
| 14:34.26 | babytooth | (silly) |
| 14:34.28 | wols | ictyl: license problems |
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| 14:34.54 | toonX | can i start 2 X servers on 2 different tty's ? say one on tty7 and one on tty9 ? |
| 14:34.55 | osity | caphuso: oh your name ? :) |
| 14:35.00 | tralala | liable: stop teasing him, he has "extended computer knowledge" |
| 14:35.06 | liable | heh |
| 14:35.06 | scytheman | toonX, yes |
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| 14:35.09 | asg | toonX: startx -- :1 |
| 14:35.18 | Morbus | good day. I was told there were some licensing nazi's in here, so I had a question about mixing CC and GPL. I know, I know, absolutely has nothing to do with debian. |
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| 14:35.20 | tralala | you might get h4x0r3d, ya know... |
| 14:35.21 | babytooth | tralala: ? |
| 14:35.25 | toonX | asg thanks |
| 14:35.34 | ictyl | wols: yeah, that's what I recall, I just couldn't find the relevant info or bug report... I want to pass this info on to a third party that has made a deb available which depends on wxpython2.5.3 |
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| 14:36.09 | osity | caphuso: were you using mdadm |
| 14:36.14 | wols | ictyl: from what I read, it was that wx 2.6 was to be included RSN anyways. |
| 14:36.15 | caphuso | osity: yes |
| 14:36.21 | osity | neat |
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| 14:36.25 | wols | that was around 1st of may when it was removed afaik |
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| 14:36.46 | babytooth | juadua: no people? |
| 14:36.50 | wols | ictyl: I also asked wxwidgets people who said that the issue was already resolved upstream |
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| 14:36.56 | osity | tralala: i bet life is full of road blocks and failures for you .....lucky guy |
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| 14:37.20 | ictyl | wols: thanks |
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| 14:37.32 | osity | caphuso: do you remember what how to you used? |
| 14:37.43 | caphuso | osity: "man mdadm", mostly |
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| 14:37.51 | babytooth | osity: o.o |
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| 14:37.57 | dv___ | re |
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| 14:38.13 | dv___ | great. ati driver hangs up when switching X->vga console and back to X |
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| 14:38.27 | osity | caphuso: so what are your paritions that are raided? |
| 14:38.31 | dv___ | now the /etc/bash.bashrc is totally screwed up |
| 14:38.32 | wols | caphuso: what do they charge per hour? |
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| 14:38.49 | caphuso | wols: two goats and a virgin every year |
| 14:39.08 | wols | that's cheap |
| 14:39.14 | liable | where the hell do you get virgins these days? |
| 14:39.22 | zulkifar | hi, I'm interesting - is there a way to get packages size statistics (to see what of packages takes maximum space and can be uninstalled to free freespace) ? |
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| 14:39.30 | valram | q |
| 14:39.32 | caphuso | liable: you better hide, i need one soon ;-) |
| 14:39.35 | wols | liable: you buy them by the dozen in 3rd world countries |
| 14:39.37 | liable | hehe |
| 14:39.38 | dv___ | is there a backup copy of the bash.bashrc? |
| 14:39.58 | valdyn | dv___: no, but look at /etc/skel/ |
| 14:40.04 | liable | caphuso: well, um, i'm kinda 'used' |
| 14:40.25 | caphuso | dpkg --get-selections | awk '/[^e]install$/{print $1}' | xargs apt-cache show | sed -ne '/^\(Package\|Installed-Size\):/p' | sed -e :a -e '$!N;s/\nInstalled-Size/ /;ta' -e 'P;D' | sort -nr -t: +2 |
| 14:40.29 | caphuso | zulkifar: ^^^^ |
| 14:40.37 | zulkifar | caphuso: oops thanks! :) |
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| 14:40.50 | osity | caphuso: are you raiding /swap, / and whatelse? |
| 14:41.00 | caphuso | osity: /, /usr, /var and /home |
| 14:41.31 | caphuso | osity: you don't need to raid swap, giving all partitions the same priority is sufficient |
| 14:42.00 | osity | caphuso: you have 4 partitions? |
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| 14:42.22 | caphuso | osity: yeah, i forgot /dev/hd{a,d}6 in my former listing |
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| 14:42.30 | dv___ | ah, did it |
| 14:42.33 | dv___ | thanks valdyn |
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| 14:42.42 | osity | caphuso: where is root? |
| 14:43.13 | osity | caphuso: ok im confused a bit... |
| 14:43.15 | caphuso | osity: md0, which is hd{a,d}2 |
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| 14:43.43 | caphuso | but that doesn't really matter |
| 14:44.08 | osity | caphuso: did you already have the os installed on one drive when you raided? |
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| 14:44.14 | caphuso | osity: yeah |
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| 14:44.46 | babytooth | caphuso: @@@@ |
| 14:45.02 | osity | so how shold I partition my drive i need the most space to be in the /home directory |
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| 14:45.15 | babytooth | caphuso: oh realy |
| 14:45.59 | caphuso | babytooth: do you have anything to say that's not caused by drug abuse? |
| 14:46.08 | Cyanophytes | when tyring to use apt-get to install kde in sayes something about broken packages is there a way to fix this |
| 14:46.11 | babytooth | ... |
| 14:46.22 | babytooth | (banned?) |
| 14:46.27 | caphuso | not yet |
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| 14:47.46 | red22 | i have installed 2 other linux distros without a hitch but sarge aborts with a "segmentation fault" during "installing base packages" after the partioning step. any ideas on how to fix this so that i am able to install debian pls? |
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| 14:48.16 | osity | caphuso: so no swap? |
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| 14:48.20 | caphuso | osity: huh? |
| 14:48.25 | phanter | to chmod a folder and content (and subfolders) i can do: chmod 750 -R <filename>. Or ?? |
| 14:48.33 | osity | caphuso: so no swap partition? |
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| 14:49.08 | caphuso | osity: well, i won't recommend to not have swap, but it's up to you. i can't decide that for you |
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| 14:49.24 | pngwn | phanter, you can do man chmod too ;) |
| 14:49.26 | osity | caphuso: are you using swap? |
| 14:49.29 | caphuso | osity: yes |
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| 14:49.34 | praha1 | K_Dallas: have you managed to use reportbug ? |
| 14:49.45 | phanter | pngwn, did that but the description behind -R is not very clear for me |
| 14:49.50 | osity | so you have 5 partitions? |
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| 14:50.06 | Zrin | red22: i remember having a similar problem, but can't remember a solution ... are you trying to use radi? |
| 14:50.08 | pngwn | phanter, looks right to me |
| 14:50.09 | tralala | phanter: assuming that <filename> is actually <dirname>, yes |
| 14:50.10 | caphuso | osity: yes, but only 4 mirrored |
| 14:50.19 | phanter | oke thanks |
| 14:50.21 | osity | caphuso: dude you originally said you have 3 partitions...then 4 .....now 5 ! |
| 14:50.41 | osity | that's really confusing |
| 14:50.51 | osity | do you have 6 ? :) |
| 14:50.53 | tralala | caphuso: why on earth are you trying to confuse him?! |
| 14:50.54 | caphuso | osity: yes, i originally forgot one. and i was only talking about partitions involved in some array |
| 14:51.04 | paulswm | osity: you may want to take a look at lvm, it allows more flexibility in changing filesystem sizes at a later date. I tend to partition drives into 40GB partitioons, then use them with lvm, very flexible. |
| 14:51.10 | gvandora | I'm trying to create a mail solution that will retrieve my mail from pop3 servers and the deliver it via imap... can anyone make suggestions. I'm not sure what imap server to use either |
| 14:51.10 | caphuso | my raid partitions aren't, so i didn't bother mentioning them |
| 14:51.36 | caphuso | just like i didn't have bothered to talk about the 2 partitions on my third disk |
| 14:52.00 | caphuso | which i really need to disconnect, beat into little pieces and burn |
| 14:52.11 | paulswm | Heh |
| 14:52.16 | tralala | gvandora: fetchmail + some imap server |
| 14:52.30 | osity | paulswm: unless you can answer alot of questions on how to set it up...im not really interested ..thanks though' |
| 14:52.47 | Cyanophytes | apt-get install kde keeps saying kde has unmet dependencies how can I get it to install. |
| 14:52.48 | paulswm | osity: There is a howto. |
| 14:52.51 | caphuso | yeah, lvm sounds like a nifty idea |
| 14:53.06 | paulswm | lvm is outstanding. |
| 14:53.08 | tralala | paulswm: you can't be serious! |
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| 14:53.11 | gvandora | tralalla: can you recommend a simple imap server. it does not need to scale. simpler installation is better |
| 14:53.15 | tralala | (bout the howto) |
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| 14:53.16 | paulswm | tralala: HAHA |
| 14:53.19 | caphuso | i didn't have the time to investigate it properly, otherwise i'd probably be using it now |
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| 14:53.21 | valdyn | Cyanophytes: which distro / release of debian are you running? |
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| 14:53.57 | tralala | gvandora: I can't unfortunately. |
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| 14:54.07 | paulswm | caphuso: If you end up with some free space on a disk, make a partition and mess around with lvm, it's actually very easy and the howto is good |
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| 14:54.37 | Cyanophytes | valdny: debian sarge |
| 14:54.42 | Zitter | is blootbot pkg in stable? |
| 14:55.05 | osity | caphuso: so you dont raid swap? |
| 14:55.06 | gvandora | Anyone else have recomendations for imap servers? Simple installation? |
| 14:55.26 | caphuso | osity: 16:41 caphuso> osity: you don't need to raid swap, giving all partitions the same priority is sufficient |
| 14:55.26 | praha1 | K_Dallas: i attempted to make a doc (none exists ) http://wiki.debian.net/?reportbug hope it helps |
| 14:55.33 | Cyanophytes | valdyn: debian sarge 3 |
| 14:55.37 | valdyn | Cyanophytes: paste the error ( not here, /msg dpkg paste ) |
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| 14:57.35 | lucaslira | as |
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| 14:57.53 | lucaslira | # Debian-br |
| 14:58.00 | lucaslira | como entro em outro canal? |
| 14:58.02 | Cyanophytes | valdyn: it's not on this box. but it just sayes kde depends on then lists all the dependencies eg. kde: Depends: kde-core but it is not going to be installed |
| 14:58.15 | RichiH | !br |
| 14:58.15 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:58.22 | praha1 | !dpkg reportbug |
| 14:58.22 | lucaslira | Obrigado |
| 14:58.23 | donpablo | how can i remove this modules or plugins from boot "plugin rp-rppoe.so" |
| 14:58.23 | dpkg | it has been said that reportbug is use used to submit bugs to the Debian bug system. really simple to use, apt-get install reportbug, then run reportbug and answer the questions. It will file automagically if you're on-line. note: always check the list that reportbug gives you to see if the bug is already known |
| 14:58.25 | valdyn | Cyanophytes: apt-get install kde-core |
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| 14:59.17 | valdyn | don_inlab: by not using adsl |
| 14:59.25 | Cyanophytes | valdyn: gives me the same error but sayes kde-core depends on kdelibs but won't be installed |
| 14:59.42 | valdyn | Cyanophytes: so proceed with apt-get install kdelibs |
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| 15:00.34 | Cyanophytes | ok |
| 15:00.36 | Cyanophytes | thanks |
| 15:01.18 | Cyanophytes | wow wish there was a way to have it solve it's dependencies and install them |
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| 15:01.50 | valdyn | Cyanophytes: something is broken on your system, otherwise it would just install. |
| 15:02.00 | valdyn | Cyanophytes: proceed anyway and give the new error.. |
| 15:02.28 | osity | caphuso: giving all partitions the same priority is sufficient.....i have no idea what that meand |
| 15:02.35 | osity | caphuso: means |
| 15:02.42 | valdyn | osity: man swapon |
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| 15:03.25 | caphuso | i'm pretty sure this is also covered in the software raid howto |
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| 15:03.41 | red22 | zrin: what is radi? i don't think i'm using it since i don't know what it is.. |
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| 15:04.18 | Cyanophytes | valdyn: I did it keeps saying that everything depends on something else got to where it installed libaspell15 |
| 15:04.20 | osity | caphuso: do you remember the how to you used....i've tries about 7 of them so far |
| 15:04.44 | caphuso | osity: the one on tldp.org |
| 15:04.46 | osity | caphuso: unfortunately none of them include ALL the steps |
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| 15:05.02 | andybob | hello all i've somehow managed to screw up my package management of postgresql, what I wanted to do was start over with a clean slate -- so i did this -- apt-get remove postgresql-7.4 postgresql-common postgresql-client-7.4 then a dpkg --purge postgresql-common postgresql-7.4, then apt-get install postgresql-7.4 |
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| 15:05.18 | valdyn | Cyanophytes: if it did indeed install something, apt-get install kde |
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| 15:05.28 | andybob | but now i have no config files and postgres claims to have started but doesn't |
| 15:05.32 | valdyn | Cyanophytes: or try the step again you did before you "installed" something |
| 15:06.18 | andybob | how can I get a true fresh install of postgres? |
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| 15:06.30 | tools-lt | I must be using google with the wrong words, anybody know how I tell apt-get not to upgrade some packages? |
| 15:06.37 | Cyanophytes | valdyn: do you have an idea what could be broken? |
| 15:06.38 | caphuso | tools-lt: /msg dpkg hold |
| 15:06.41 | asg | tools-lt: /mst dpkg hold |
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| 15:06.47 | tools-lt | thanks |
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| 15:07.08 | valdyn | Cyanophytes: no, but it is not really relevant yet. |
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| 15:07.30 | valdyn | Cyanophytes: does apt-get install kdelibs work now? |
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| 15:07.54 | Cyanophytes | brb |
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| 15:08.19 | valdyn | !brb |
| 15:08.19 | dpkg | valdyn: brb, too. Be Right Back |
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| 15:09.05 | Cyanophytes | valdyn: working my way up to it after this stops I will try kde and kdelibs |
| 15:09.32 | valdyn | Cyanophytes: i need the last error message. |
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| 15:10.06 | valdyn | andybob: apt-get remove --purge postgresql-common |
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| 15:10.15 | andybob | valdyn: thanks |
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| 15:10.58 | simonrvn | i need it for some app on a switch that does snmp, tftp, and other shit, but i need to reset it |
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| 15:12.08 | simonrvn | i was thinking of just doing the serial console thing, but JIC my hacked together serial cable doesn work, i´m going to try the ´network manager´ thingy it has |
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| 15:14.44 | gtigene | I just installed debian 3.1 and I am not sure it has X windows. How can I tell? |
| 15:15.11 | huliganz | run cmd: tasksel |
| 15:15.16 | asg | gtigene: type 'X' |
| 15:15.17 | simonrvn | dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:15.18 | dpkg | No packages found matching xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:15.26 | simonrvn | or ^^ :) |
| 15:15.32 | PolarWolf | gtigene: dpkg -l x-window-system |
| 15:15.35 | amorphix | americans say "mobile" funny |
| 15:15.38 | kilaker | Anybody who could help me config TV-out (i think i've already done it but it seems to be something wrong) the problem is that my screen is flimmering all the time, so i get picture but it's flimmering. i got ATI 9600 XT. |
| 15:15.48 | PolarWolf | gtigene: It'll show "ii" in the first column is that meta package is installed |
| 15:15.48 | amorphix | mobull hehe |
| 15:15.53 | PolarWolf | gtigene: If not, install it |
| 15:16.23 | asg | amorphix: or, if you mean Mobile, Alabama, it's 'MoBeeeeel' |
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| 15:16.29 | asg | we don't care |
| 15:16.30 | amorphix | hehehe |
| 15:16.48 | huliganz | lol |
| 15:17.02 | gtigene | Thanks all. It is not there.. I tried apt-cache search X and got an awful lot of output. Any suggestions how to search for the package? |
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| 15:17.12 | asg | gtigene: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 15:17.24 | gtigene | asg: Thanks |
| 15:17.38 | asg | babytooth|listen: please turn that off, thanks. |
| 15:17.55 | PolarWolf | gtigene: The x-window-system meta package will install everything you need to run X |
| 15:17.58 | babytooth|listen | ok |
| 15:18.03 | kilaker | Anybody who could help me config TV-out (i think i've already done it but it seems to be something wrong) the problem is that my screen is flimmering all the time, so i get picture but it's flimmering. i got ATI 9600 XT. |
| 15:18.14 | asg | !dict flimmering |
| 15:18.16 | kilaker | (running on sarge) |
| 15:18.16 | dpkg | could not find definition for flimmering |
| 15:18.36 | amorphix | is flimmering the same as flickering |
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| 15:18.53 | babytooth|listen | (you are crazy....sui~~~) |
| 15:18.54 | kilaker | hm.. i'll look up a better word ;D |
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| 15:20.01 | amorphix | my wacom pad designed for Windows actually works BETTER in Linux with the linux driver |
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| 15:20.26 | amorphix | suspend and resume has never worked in Windows, works in Linux fine everytime..woohoo |
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| 15:21.21 | kilaker | Anybody who could help me config TV-out (i think i've already done it but it seems to be something wrong) the problem is that my screen is flickering all the time, so i get picture but it's flickering. i got ATI 9600 XT. |
| 15:21.29 | amorphix | bill gates = kermit the frog? |
| 15:21.38 | QQ | #flood |
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| 15:22.01 | snail | Sorry! The wiki is experiencing some technical difficulties, and cannot contact the database server. |
| 15:22.01 | amorphix | kilaker could be the refresh rate? |
| 15:22.09 | amorphix | try a different frequency |
| 15:22.12 | snail | oops, mischannel |
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| 15:22.50 | kilaker | how do i change it ? is i in the XF86-Config-4 ? |
| 15:22.58 | amorphix | kilaker did you also set the correct video mode? PAL etc, sometimes needs to be set in BIOS |
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| 15:23.38 | kilaker | oh, well i've put the right one in the cfg, but in bios i don't know, i'm pretty new to linux, how do i enter BIOS ? |
| 15:23.40 | amorphix | kilaker if the flickering is on the TV screen, check your video out mode is correct |
| 15:23.44 | black13 | has anyne ever had an issue hwere syslog-ng reports "missing kernsrc" |
| 15:24.07 | kilaker | yes the flickering is on my TV-screen |
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| 15:24.26 | kilaker | video-out mode ? clone etc. ? |
| 15:24.28 | amorphix | system BIOS isnt related to Linux, u need to enter that before you boot up, usually by pressing ESC button or something |
| 15:24.42 | kilaker | oh i see |
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| 15:24.50 | amorphix | I had this very same problem on my Compaq M700 laptop which had flickering on tv screen |
| 15:25.04 | amorphix | turned out to be set to wrong video mode in BIOS, i adjusted it and it was fine |
| 15:25.12 | kilaker | hm... |
| 15:25.24 | kilaker | can't remember any Tv settings in BIOS :/ |
| 15:25.49 | kilaker | it worked in windows just some days ago |
| 15:25.51 | amorphix | oh maybe its software selected then |
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| 15:26.17 | amorphix | my graphics card was an onboard one |
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| 15:26.34 | kilaker | ok |
| 15:26.49 | kilaker | can we take this in a private disc. ? |
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| 15:27.44 | wols | kilaker: does your TV use PAL? |
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| 15:27.57 | kilaker | yes it does |
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| 15:28.08 | wols | kilaker: apt-cache show atitvout |
| 15:28.18 | kilaker | i've installed that one |
| 15:28.22 | wols | worth a shot |
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| 15:28.38 | wols | could be that the ati card uses ntsc by default |
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| 15:28.53 | kilaker | true, |
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| 15:29.07 | nono | bonjour |
| 15:29.07 | hellz | what is the ipfwadm in case of iptables |
| 15:29.17 | kilaker | but i've configurated it to PAL-B in my XF86Config-4 |
| 15:29.26 | nono | is there a french boy here ? |
| 15:29.27 | asg | hellz: iptables |
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| 15:29.33 | asg | !fr |
| 15:29.34 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:29.54 | nono | thanks |
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| 15:30.20 | amorphix | bonjour |
| 15:30.28 | amorphix | !fr |
| 15:30.28 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 15:31.08 | pureone | does anyone know how to make the console go back to normal after you catted a binary file? |
| 15:31.15 | caphuso | pureone: /usr/bin/reset |
| 15:31.23 | pureone | thanks :) |
| 15:31.45 | pureone | wonderfull i dont have to reboot :) |
| 15:31.58 | amorphix | get used to it, Linux rocks |
| 15:32.05 | asg | give a hoot, don't reboot |
| 15:32.06 | leonel | any news about sarge security ? |
| 15:32.35 | simonrvn | something amusing about win95 emu on xfs fs |
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| 15:33.34 | emRick | what RSS client do you recommend? |
| 15:33.40 | hellz | asg: how do i issue masquearde in iptables |
| 15:33.42 | amorphix | i wonder if i run my royal mail smartstamp software with wine |
| 15:34.17 | mosty | hellz, read the NAT howto at netfilter.org - it has a five line NAT/firewall script for you |
| 15:34.19 | asg | hellz: using nat |
| 15:34.20 | simonrvn | hellz: www.netfilter.org howtos |
| 15:34.39 | hellz | ok |
| 15:34.59 | wols | hellz: if you want the short route: apt-get install ipmasq |
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| 15:35.14 | sly007 | Hello, I need to activate my internal wireless Intell 2200 on my laptop, how should I do? Pressing the button "wifi" of my laptop doesn't work. Of course, I have all the ipw2200 drivers installed, but there's no eth attached to my internal card in ifconfig |
| 15:35.29 | hellz | ipmasq could help me |
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| 15:37.02 | osity | caphuso: did you have to do anything special to have it boor once the raid was setup?> |
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| 15:37.49 | smacnay | Is it a big issue allowing hand-compiled programs to install into /usr/local rather than /usr? I see that, for Debian, it is preferrable to install to /usr. |
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| 15:38.05 | caphuso | osity: configuring lilo properly |
| 15:38.06 | asg | smacnay: all local programs should go in /usr/local |
| 15:38.31 | asg | smacnay: Debian guarantees not to touch /usr/local but assumes full control over /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin, etc. |
| 15:38.44 | caphuso | smacnay: stop looking at wherever you see that misinformation |
| 15:38.54 | smacnay | asg: thanks. |
| 15:39.17 | smacnay | caphuso: it was the debian maintainer guide. |
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| 15:39.29 | smacnay | caphuso: I will quit reading it - I am not a maintainer. |
| 15:39.43 | caphuso | smacnay: that's when you build .deb packages |
| 15:39.57 | jojoj | any vmware people here? |
| 15:39.59 | caphuso | it doesn't apply to stuff that's not in one |
| 15:40.03 | hellz | wols:how do i apply the rules in ipmasq |
| 15:40.28 | jojoj | If I've got a box that has a partition with windows installed and another partition with linux installed. I want to install vmware under linux and use it to boot the windows installation on the first partition. Is this possible to do with vmware? |
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| 15:41.00 | mosty | jojoj, vmware has their own support, which you should make use of |
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| 15:42.15 | jojoj | mosty: I tried calling yesterday and the guy I spoke to had no idea what I was trying to do |
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| 15:42.23 | jojoj | he told me to look on their website |
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| 15:42.42 | smacnay | caphuso: I was recommended to take tar balls not offered in Debian and not simply install (build) but to make .deb packages and install. The instructions for this recommended changing the prefix to /usr rather than the default /usr/local. Anyway, thanks for the advice. I will continue installing to /usr/local. |
| 15:42.50 | asg | jojoj: supposedly, you can boot a native partition with vmware, at least according to their docs. |
| 15:42.55 | wols | hellz: which rules? |
| 15:43.14 | mosty | jojoj, in any case, i don't think it's possible. windows would think it's booting from different hardware than it was installed with, and it can't cope with that |
| 15:43.17 | caphuso | smacnay: if you are building .deb packages, then /usr is fine |
| 15:43.22 | osity | caphuso: how do you recommend i partition the drive if i need most of the space for /home |
| 15:43.24 | wols | hellz: you can add your own rules in /etc/ipmasq/rules/. By default it sets up ip masquerading all on its own |
| 15:43.27 | caphuso | since you won't be able to hurt your installation |
| 15:43.45 | caphuso | osity: i recommend doing it so that it fits your needs |
| 15:44.00 | hellz | i need to forward all traffic to one pc and then rewrite the traffic from that pc to it |
| 15:44.07 | jojoj | asg: which product are you referring to? workstation or one of the others? |
| 15:44.32 | osity | caphuso: gee good idea |
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| 15:45.17 | punsad | if I want to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel, can I rely on debian apt system doing all configuration, or do I need to do anything special? tried looking online for info and from what I saw, apt will magically do everything |
| 15:45.56 | wols | hellz: I don't know what you want. do you want to make debian as a NAT router for a LAN? |
| 15:46.04 | hellz | yes |
| 15:46.19 | punsad | I've installed new kernels using kpkg, but always with kernel 2.4 only |
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| 15:46.37 | wols | then running ipmasq is all you need. eveything is done already (provided you have 2 NICs/network interfaces) |
| 15:46.44 | hellz | i am actually configuring LVS and NAT is shpowing some problems |
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| 15:49.27 | osity | caphuso: can you give me specifics so that I have a sililar setup to yours.... |
| 15:49.35 | osity | can i get by with only 3 partitions? |
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| 15:49.56 | caphuso | osity: you can get by with anything between one and as many partitions as your hardware allows |
| 15:50.20 | punsad | osity: yeah - you need at least / and swap |
| 15:50.31 | osity | I can use one partition? |
| 15:50.36 | osity | then raid it? |
| 15:50.43 | caphuso | which is, IIRC, 63 on IDE hardware |
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| 15:51.08 | osity | when I tried that the os started whining about swap....... |
| 15:51.29 | osity | well / and swap is 2 partitions |
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| 15:56.23 | slesa | Can someone help me with a locale problem? |
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| 15:56.59 | streuner | slesa: /msg dpkg ask |
| 15:57.28 | abydos | ahh. |
| 15:57.37 | abydos | finally found a nice-looking dark gnome theme |
| 15:57.51 | abydos | http://linuxmitosis.com/screenshots/orange-gnome.png |
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| 15:59.15 | abydos | now if only Muine would work right rather than crashing when I try to scroll-adjust the volume |
| 15:59.20 | lauraw | more contrast than ornage-gnome.png has is good for readability |
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| 15:59.36 | abydos | actually, it's quit readable. |
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| 15:59.47 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 16:00.00 | sh4dowcat | abydos: we should make you use a theme with black text on a black background |
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| 16:00.05 | sh4dowcat | just for the hell of it >:) |
| 16:00.25 | abydos | granted, my monitor is at full brightness and full contrast because it's utterly too dark otherwise |
| 16:01.01 | sh4dowcat | heh you have that problem too eh? |
| 16:01.03 | lauraw | abydos: am not opposed to you using it, of course ^_^ |
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| 16:01.13 | sh4dowcat | my GeforceFX 5700 has that problem |
| 16:01.16 | sh4dowcat | it's a bit too dark |
| 16:01.25 | hellz | wols: what would i do if i need to re-direct the traffic to a single ip |
| 16:01.28 | abydos | sh4dowcat: my monitor is probably as old as I am, it's just a pile of junk |
| 16:01.31 | mono_ | hi, how do i format a floppy to be ext3? |
| 16:01.35 | sh4dowcat | abydos: heh |
| 16:01.37 | mono_ | filesystem? |
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| 16:01.55 | sh4dowcat | my monitor is an 17" LCD |
| 16:02.00 | sh4dowcat | connected via dvi |
| 16:02.02 | lauraw | mono_: mke2fs -j /dev/fd0 |
| 16:02.02 | abydos | sh4dowcat: and my video card is a trident cyber(stab this with a)blade |
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| 16:02.15 | sh4dowcat | bah |
| 16:02.23 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 16:02.25 | sh4dowcat | there :P |
| 16:02.47 | abydos | mine's an old no-name 17" CRT that craps out at console resolutions but not standard X resolutions |
| 16:02.51 | xiaogil | is there a japan #debian channel ? |
| 16:02.52 | punsad | lauraw: how doest that command know to make it ext3 vs ext2? |
| 16:02.58 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 16:03.03 | abydos | xiaogil: I would look for #debian-jp |
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| 16:03.04 | lauraw | punsad: the -j option |
| 16:03.04 | sh4dowcat | I run framebuffer console |
| 16:03.13 | sh4dowcat | 1280x1024 console |
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| 16:03.21 | xiaogil | abydos: no, it tried it already |
| 16:03.21 | punsad | lauraw: oh yeah.. forgot |
| 16:03.27 | arnon | what is the difference between / and /root ? |
| 16:03.37 | slesa | Does anyone know who's responsible for the 64 bit packaging of debian? |
| 16:03.41 | abydos | Framebuffer console doesn't really work well on this machine with 2.6 kernels |
| 16:03.43 | punsad | arnon: /root is the 'home' director for superuser |
| 16:03.44 | asg | arnon: /root is where the root user's home is |
| 16:04.07 | arnon | how about / ? |
| 16:04.08 | joel | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.15 | lauraw | slesa: do you mean amd64? or alpha? |
| 16:04.18 | joel | that is / has no parent directories |
| 16:04.21 | slesa | amd64 |
| 16:04.41 | punsad | what does anyone do with /root? anything in particular? |
| 16:04.44 | abydos | lauraw: s/he might also have meant ia64 |
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| 16:04.54 | arnon | and / also has a separate capacity ? |
| 16:05.06 | joel | punsad: like they said.. it's home dir for user 'root' |
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| 16:05.11 | punsad | arnon: that depends on partition table |
| 16:05.12 | abydos | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.17 | abydos | usually |
| 16:05.20 | arnon | I am partitioning my hd, do I need separate partition for / ? |
| 16:05.24 | abydos | um. |
| 16:05.24 | slesa | lauraw: no, I only mean amd64. |
| 16:05.25 | abydos | yes. |
| 16:05.26 | abydos | yes you do. |
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| 16:05.34 | wols | hellz: you'd add a script in /etc/ipmasq/rules with the proper iptables |
| 16:05.34 | punsad | arnon: yes |
| 16:05.38 | joel | arnon: any directory can have seperate capacity |
| 16:05.38 | wols | *iptables line |
| 16:05.39 | abydos | your largest partition for linux should be / |
| 16:05.47 | hellz | ok |
| 16:05.54 | PolarWolf | abydos: Oh? |
| 16:05.56 | caphuso | abydos: or the smallest one... |
| 16:06.00 | joel | abydos: that depends totally on the setup |
| 16:06.04 | js | abydos: my / is the smallest |
| 16:06.07 | PolarWolf | abydos: Odd, I generally don't make it larger than 100MB or so |
| 16:06.11 | asg | my /boot is the smallest |
| 16:06.12 | abydos | PolarWolf: caphuso joel true, you have a point |
| 16:06.27 | arnon | how big should / be ? what will / contains ? |
| 16:06.33 | streuner | slesa: wth you are /msg me? |
| 16:06.39 | caphuso | arnon: anything that isn't somewhere else |
| 16:06.46 | PolarWolf | arnon: mountpoints and /etc |
| 16:06.57 | streuner | <slesa> After install, locale was de_DE. I changed it to de_DE@UTF8. Since then I am not able to enter umlaut |
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| 16:07.02 | abydos | on this machine /media/storage and /media/storage1 are the largest, because they're on the biggest and newest disk |
| 16:07.03 | arnon | it seems that / doesn't need to contain anything at all, it seems that / it just some sort of 'mountpoint' |
| 16:07.04 | slesa | streuner1_: thought we open a new thread |
| 16:07.09 | PolarWolf | And everything else which isn't mounted somewhere |
| 16:07.11 | caphuso | arnon: wrong |
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| 16:07.20 | joel | arnon: think of it this way.. / will contain _everything_ unless you use seperate partitions for subdirs |
| 16:07.23 | caphuso | it needs to contain rather vital stuff like /bin, /sbin and /lib |
| 16:07.25 | streuner | slesa: guess what you can do about it... ;-) |
| 16:07.26 | arnon | so I can have a / partition with 5 kb capacity ? |
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| 16:07.29 | asg | arnon: root should contain everything to get a system running |
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| 16:07.32 | lauraw | slesa: I don't know by heart who does it, but they have or used to have a project on alioth.debian.org |
| 16:07.34 | abydos | arnon: if you are trying to make linux be on one partition, / should be that partition |
| 16:07.35 | arnon | joel, I seee |
| 16:07.38 | ricky_clarkson | "galeont 21021 0.0 0.2 4364 1100 ? S Jun03 0:00 /usr/lib/gconf2/gconfd-2 13" - Is this process running or what? |
| 16:07.54 | Terroth | Guys, does Debian support AMD 64 Opterons? |
| 16:08.09 | PolarWolf | It usually contains /bin, /sbin and stuff too, just enough to get something going before `mount -a` is run |
| 16:08.11 | slesa | lauraw: hoped this one would may be here... |
| 16:08.14 | asg | Terroth: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 16:08.14 | abydos | Terroth: I would say the chances are very high. |
| 16:08.18 | streuner | Terroth: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 16:08.25 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 16:08.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 16:08.32 | ricky_clarkson | abydos: What are you, a magic 8-ball? |
| 16:08.35 | slesa | streuner: did not understand |
| 16:08.41 | punsad | if I want to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel, can I rely on debian apt system doing all configuration, or do I need to do anything special? tried looking online for info and from what I saw, apt will magically do everything |
| 16:08.48 | abydos | ricky_clarkson: Probably. |
| 16:08.51 | joel | arnon: so if you for example use seperate partitions for say.. /usr and /home wich often become large, you can have a smaller / and so on.. |
| 16:09.02 | streuner | slesa: well, change the locale back to de_DE |
| 16:09.06 | Terroth | Ty guys. |
| 16:09.09 | abydos | ricky_clarkson: Ask me in 10 minutes :) |
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| 16:09.21 | slesa | streuner: then I still can use cyrillic in file names :-( |
| 16:09.23 | PolarWolf | punsad: I'd say if you install a debian kernel, it should do whatever else needed, like installing module-init-tools and stuff |
| 16:09.26 | lauraw | punsad: yes, it should work, at least it worked for me when I did it, though it has been some time now |
| 16:09.38 | slesa | streuner: and: I'd like to use utf8 as coding |
| 16:09.45 | slesa | dpkg: thanx |
| 16:09.46 | dpkg | from memory, thanx is useless. |
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| 16:10.00 | punsad | lauraw: thanks |
| 16:10.26 | abydos | slesa: dpkg is a bot |
| 16:10.34 | punsad | once I get it installed the 'default' way, I'll try compiling my own |
| 16:10.41 | slesa | oh |
| 16:11.07 | arnon | if I want / to only everything except /home /tmp /var /usr /boot , what is the sufficient size for / ? |
| 16:11.08 | abydos | slesa: seems human doesn't he. |
| 16:11.08 | slesa | abydos: a good one or a bad one? |
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| 16:11.29 | arnon | if I want / to mount everything except /home /tmp /var /usr /boot , what is the sufficient size for / ? |
| 16:11.29 | abydos | slesa: he's the channel helper/slave/information bot |
| 16:11.30 | PolarWolf | and an annoying one, to boot :P |
| 16:11.30 | PolarWolf | dpkg is on /ignore here |
| 16:11.30 | slesa | abydos: cool thing... |
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| 16:12.10 | toonX | arnon i belive debian installer has a guided partitioning sistem, and if you get confuse with all those /root and /usr and so , just make a / (root partition) as big as you like and a swap partition (double of your ram), and mark your / (root partition) as bootable , and that's it |
| 16:12.20 | abydos | !fruitsmite PolarWolf |
| 16:12.28 | slesa | streuner: thanks for your comments, I'll ask again... |
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| 16:12.50 | kofj | every time I connect to internet,it seems that gnome has been down ,icons on the table all disappear,I tried ctrl+alt+backbase,but I can never enter gnome again,there's no difference in kde,who can help me |
| 16:12.50 | jbwiv | hello all. I have a deb package installed on my machine that I can't find out on the web anymore. I'd like to regenerate the deb file from the currently installed files, if possible. Is there any way to do this? Tia... |
| 16:13.19 | arnon | how do I tell how big is a folder ? df ? |
| 16:13.21 | slesa | Can someone tell me how to use cyrillic and umlauts within file names? Locale settings, X-settings, KDE-settings,...? |
| 16:13.25 | abydos | arnon: du -h |
| 16:13.42 | paulswm | @nutsmite PolarWolf |
| 16:13.44 | paulswm | :p |
| 16:13.55 | arnon | abydos, thanks |
| 16:14.02 | lauraw | jbwiv: there's something called dpkg-repack, I think |
| 16:14.09 | paulswm | PolarWolf: Sorry, couldn't resist :) |
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| 16:14.24 | joaquinz | hi, ive trouble with sarge and kernel 2.6 |
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| 16:15.03 | jbwiv | lauraw: aha...just what I'm looking for. Thank you!!! |
| 16:15.33 | azol | slesa: for terminal consile-cyrillic |
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| 16:15.56 | slesa | azol: is installed |
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| 16:16.25 | azol | slesa: do you speak russian? |
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| 16:16.31 | joaquinz | pc reboots when i try to load kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 16:16.38 | slesa | da, tschutschut |
| 16:17.11 | slesa | azol: ja is germanii |
| 16:17.30 | slesa | azol: a sdes, ne mogu govorit, snaesch |
| 16:17.50 | joaquinz | any idea ? |
| 16:18.02 | valdyn | slesa: you could try 'gucharmap', no idea about a kde tool. |
| 16:18.16 | asg | joaquinz: is it, infact, a 686? |
| 16:18.41 | joaquinz | asg : in fact it is amd k6 |
| 16:18.53 | kilaker | I have a problem with TV-out, my screen is flickering but i got it set to the right tv mode. I Run on a radeon 9600 XT, when i open ATI control panel and change to clone mode it just resets is to disable second monitor after X-server restart |
| 16:18.57 | slesa | valdyn: but that only shows me the character tables... the problem right now is that I even can't enter umlauts... |
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| 16:19.13 | asg | joaquinz: hmm, try installing the -k6 kernel image perhaps |
| 16:19.14 | LordWolF | yo IT what does it means? |
| 16:19.16 | slesa | (russian fonts are installed) |
| 16:19.23 | valdyn | slesa: it doesnt only show, you copy and paste the letters |
| 16:19.27 | joaquinz | asg : exists? |
| 16:19.44 | asg | joaquinz: apt-cache search kernel k6 |
| 16:19.49 | slesa | valdyn: ok, but in file manager i only see garbage for existing files |
| 16:19.53 | huliganz | slesa u tebja s kirilicej problemy ? |
| 16:20.12 | valdyn | slesa: in kde's filemanager? |
| 16:20.12 | slesa | huliganz: da |
| 16:20.13 | jasoncohen | is there any way to stop debian from trying to bring up a network interface on boot that's in /etc/network/interfaces but not set to be started by hotplug? |
| 16:20.20 | slesa | valdyn: yes |
| 16:20.21 | joel | too much stolichnaya |
| 16:20.26 | opqdonut | mplayer is not apt-gettable? |
| 16:20.30 | huliganz | :] |
| 16:20.39 | valdyn | slesa: ЪУЫ <- looks kyrilic to me. |
| 16:20.44 | asg | opqdonut: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 16:20.46 | PolarWolf | opqdonut: Not from a standard debian repository, no |
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| 16:21.02 | huliganz | slesa 4e imenno ? |
| 16:21.03 | opqdonut | jasoncohen: remove the interface from the "auto ..." line? |
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| 16:21.25 | jasoncohen | opqdonut, you need marillat - http://sft.if.usp.br/debian-marillat/ |
| 16:21.25 | valdyn | slesa: you should use a utf-8 locale. not sure what all is required, it just works for me.. |
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| 16:22.03 | slesa | valdyn: three ways created: once by installing debian over Suse (home had cyr dirs), once by untaring a tgz created on Suse and currently rsyncing a dir from Suse |
| 16:22.07 | jasoncohen | opqdonut, i don't have an auto line |
| 16:22.09 | hellz | i am not being to configure lvs, it is still not redirecting the packets to the client |
| 16:22.14 | kilaker | opqdonut no but if you add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main to your source.list |
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| 16:22.16 | jasoncohen | i removed map eth0 for mapping hotplug |
| 16:22.32 | slesa | valdyn: currently I have utf8, and now I can't enter anything but english |
| 16:22.39 | FarrisG | can you use DDR2/PC4200 ram in a machine with only PC3200 capabilities? |
| 16:22.41 | slesa | holigans: sto? |
| 16:22.52 | kilaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.57 | huliganz | slesa: http://www.opennet.ru/base/rus/linux_russifocation.txt.html |
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| 16:23.04 | valdyn | slesa: its a font issue. |
| 16:23.15 | Kalum | hi all |
| 16:23.15 | slesa | valdyn: no, can't be. |
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| 16:23.34 | slesa | valdyn: I installed every cyrillic font I found with apt-seearch |
| 16:24.01 | slesa | hooliganz: ok, i understand a little bit russian, but thats a little bit too much :-) |
| 16:24.11 | huliganz | :) |
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| 16:24.19 | valdyn | slesa: you need to use that font too, like bitsream vera will support many charsets |
| 16:24.28 | FarrisG | how do I figure out why I'm getting so many .nfsXXXXXXXXXXXXXX files? |
| 16:24.35 | valdyn | slesa: s/charsets/characters/ |
| 16:24.44 | slesa | * Please stop for a little bit, must try out * |
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| 16:25.16 | slesa | huliganz: is bookmarked anyway |
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| 16:25.26 | jasoncohen | so if there's a auto eth0 can i do no-auto eth0? |
| 16:25.34 | lauraw | FarrisG: I think that's just something that happens with nfs (or some nfs impelemtations) |
| 16:25.42 | huliganz | opennet.ru is full of manuals in RUS |
| 16:25.50 | slesa | valdyn: I see the russian page og hooliganz very well... |
| 16:25.52 | huliganz | just search anything ;) |
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| 16:26.06 | Kalum | i'm running debian sarge on my box with kernel 2.6.8. i did recompile it because it was missing some network config i needed. the problem i have is that i cannot find the state match Config_ip_nf_match_state in any config i run. can i simply add it to the .config file or is there a special reason for this? |
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| 16:26.09 | ricky_clarkson | Is there a Russian version of Big Brother? |
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| 16:26.20 | slesa | huliganz: what to look vor? klaviatura? |
| 16:26.23 | SmallR2002 | damn well hope not |
| 16:27.03 | valdyn | slesa: i dont know which browser youre using, i dont know if your browser uses the same font(s) as your filemanager.. |
| 16:27.17 | cahoot | grep -i _ip_nf_match .config |
| 16:27.27 | osity | caphuso: so i think the drives are partitioned and its instlling but from past experience it didnt boot.... |
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| 16:27.35 | Kalum | it is not in the file cahoot. already checked this |
| 16:27.39 | Kalum | it is simply missing |
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| 16:27.50 | caphuso | osity: that just means you did something wrong in the past |
| 16:27.53 | huliganz | slesa: you can try to search "Cyrillic" |
| 16:28.05 | huliganz | the first article is the right |
| 16:28.22 | SvR | hi all ;) |
| 16:28.44 | osity | caphuso: well its going through the install right now... |
| 16:29.13 | cahoot | Kalum: it's there in 2.6.8-2 |
| 16:29.26 | kilaker | Hey, i got a problem with Tv-out. At comp. startup my tv-out works perfect but when i come to X-server (gnome login) screen it dissappears. :/ |
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| 16:29.49 | slesa | valdyn: bot is konqueror |
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| 16:30.09 | slesa | huliganz: spasibo. Ty is rossii? |
| 16:30.20 | drac | kilaker: You need to add more Options, depending on X driver being used in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 16:30.23 | huliganz | slesa net, ja iz Latvia :] |
| 16:30.33 | Kalum | cahoot, i just copied over the config file from the prior kernel which my hoster had installed. so do you think i can simply add the line to .config? |
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| 16:30.48 | osity | caphuso: i saw this during boot up: dm-linear: device lookup failed. does it mean anyting ? |
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| 16:31.15 | caphuso | osity: probably |
| 16:31.22 | slesa | huliganz: tebja interuet European Song Contest? |
| 16:31.24 | osity | caphuso: i seems to be updating all the packages now |
| 16:31.30 | kdibble | could someone tell me the procedure to get the tun interface to route? |
| 16:31.30 | caphuso | chances are: if it wouldn't mean anything, it wouldn't be printed |
| 16:31.31 | slesa | huliganz: interesuet |
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| 16:31.35 | cahoot | grep -i _ip_nf_match /boot/2.6.8-2-k7 results in CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_STATE=m |
| 16:31.43 | huliganz | slesa net, neinteresujet... ;/ |
| 16:31.52 | jasoncohen | man interfaces says that a device will only be brought up automatically if there's an auto interface in /etc/network/interfaces but when i put auto ath0 for example it says it's already set to auto. why would it set all my interfaces to auto? |
| 16:31.55 | kilaker | Hey, i got a problem with Tv-out. At comp. startup my tv-out works perfect but when i come to X-server (gnome login) screen it dissappears. :/ |
| 16:31.56 | jasoncohen | /etc/network/interfaces:33: interface ath0 declared allow-auto twice even though i only had auto ath0 once |
| 16:32.03 | drac | !tell kilaker about repeat |
| 16:32.15 | Kalum | ok, thnx, all just add this line manually to .config then |
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| 16:32.36 | cahoot | Kalum: run make oldconfig and see |
| 16:32.38 | slesa | huliganz: did not thought that I could improve my russian in the *debian* channel :-) |
| 16:32.54 | huliganz | :p |
| 16:33.00 | slesa | huliganz: but without cyriilic chars it does not make sense to me |
| 16:33.01 | Kalum | one more question, are the apt kernel sources the vanilla kernel sources or do they already have special debian patches? |
| 16:33.08 | gtigene | In make menuconfig, when I want to include a certain driver it says "This feature depends on another which has been configured as a module." How can I find out what feature they are referring to? (Typing "?" does not seem to tell me) |
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| 16:33.35 | rabies | hey |
| 16:33.36 | lauraw | Kalum, they have various patches |
| 16:33.40 | veleno | i have problems in printing. if i use gpdf or OpenOffice, it works fine. if i try to use acrobat, or command-line lpr i got crap papers .. |
| 16:33.45 | rabies | is there any way to chroot a amd64 evironment from a 32bit one? |
| 16:33.51 | huliganz | slesa i know, i also use cyrillic |
| 16:33.54 | huliganz | ;] |
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| 16:34.17 | slesa | huliganz: can I have your email for later use? |
| 16:34.54 | slesa | valdyn: bitstream vera does not help |
| 16:34.56 | rabies | or do i have to do the the opposite way? |
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| 16:35.37 | lauraw | rabies: the opposite way works at least; if 64-bit support doesn't require a 64-bit kernel (I know not if it does), then it should work that way too |
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| 16:35.43 | lamp__ | veleno, try install cupsys-bsd |
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| 16:35.49 | rabies | lauraw: it does i guess |
| 16:35.59 | gtigene | In make menuconfig, when I want to include a certain driver it says "This feature depends on another which has been configured as a module." How can I find out what feature they are referring to? (Typing "?" does not seem to tell me) |
| 16:36.07 | kilaker | Hey, i got a problem with Tv-out. At comp. startup my tv-out works perfect but when i come to X-server (gnome login) screen it dissappears. :/ |
| 16:36.24 | rabies | kilaker: you have to set up xinerama or twinview in the xconfig |
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| 16:36.40 | veleno | lamp__, should i change something somewhere? |
| 16:36.52 | rabies | kilaker: or radeon's if they have one |
| 16:37.03 | ricky_clarkson | gtigene: Not many Debian users bother to compile kernels, you might ask in ##linux. |
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| 16:37.19 | ricky_clarkson | Which leads to the question of why you are bothering. |
| 16:37.33 | lamp__ | veleno, i think not, it worked for me |
| 16:37.37 | SvR | hi, where can i find fresh cvs source list to upgrade my debian with apt-get ? |
| 16:37.42 | Koni | doh, my 24h diconnect has a stupid timing :/ |
| 16:37.52 | gtigene | ricky_clarkson, I need to have udma support, which requires a driver for my SiS5513 IDE controller. |
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| 16:38.16 | ricky_clarkson | gtigene: Can you plug it in as a module without recompiling the entire kernel? (I really don't know) |
| 16:38.17 | spdf | Would someone if you use php4-gd without install xfree... seems lame that I would have to install xfree just for graphics manipulation in php.. |
| 16:38.32 | caphuso | spdf: it only installs xlibs. get over it |
| 16:38.38 | spdf | caphuso, Ahh, over it then.. |
| 16:38.41 | SvR | where can i find fresh cvs source list to upgrade my debian with apt-get ? |
| 16:38.47 | Koni | thanks for the help guys |
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| 16:38.55 | wols | SvR: apt-setup |
| 16:38.56 | ricky_clarkson | SvR: cvs? |
| 16:39.03 | gtigene | ricky_clarkson: I am really in over my head here. I know if I compile it in it will work but I don't know how to use kernel modules. |
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| 16:39.05 | wols | SvR: and there is no "cvs source list" |
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| 16:39.20 | ricky_clarkson | gtigene: modprobe |
| 16:39.23 | rabies | gtigene: if you dont know how to use a kernel module then you should learn how |
| 16:39.27 | ricky_clarkson | gtigene: modconf |
| 16:39.30 | spdf | caphuso, thanks for clearing that up for me. I thought I was going to get more than that.. |
| 16:39.31 | rabies | gtigene: man modprobe |
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| 16:40.08 | SvR | i mean the source.list in /etc/apt/ how can i find a fresh list ? |
| 16:40.11 | gtigene | rabies: I am ready to read about it, I don't know where to start. Specifically I need to learn about what happens if you configure a kernel feature as a module. |
| 16:40.22 | ricky_clarkson | SvR: apt-setup |
| 16:40.40 | rabies | gtigene: it creates a single .ko file (or .o if its 2.4.x) which contains the driver code and can be dynamically loaded |
| 16:41.00 | gtigene | rabies: and you can use modprobe on it? |
| 16:41.06 | rabies | gtigene: yes, you can modprobe it |
| 16:41.10 | SvR | ok great thx ricky_clarkson |
| 16:41.12 | huliganz | slesa yes, of course, huliganz@console.lv |
| 16:41.18 | rabies | gtigene: though use of modules does make your system more vulernable to rootkits |
| 16:41.51 | gtigene | rabies: That is very helpful. A rootkit is some kind of security vulnerability? |
| 16:42.00 | rabies | gtigene: yes, google it for more info |
| 16:42.07 | tom_j | I am getting problems with apt-get, when i try any apt-get command say apt-get update it resolves the address (ftp.uk.debian.org/debian) from my sources.list to 1.0.0.0 (to get past the base config script i had to disconect my ethernet connection) |
| 16:42.18 | osity | i got a ram module stuck in my buttcheeks.... |
| 16:42.21 | gtigene | rabies: I will. Thanks to you both. |
| 16:42.24 | lauraw | a rootkit is a set of tools to become the root user once you've gotten into a system, and hiding what you've done |
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| 16:42.45 | rabies | np |
| 16:43.03 | osity | how do i remove a lodged ram module? |
| 16:43.14 | foureyes779 | fart |
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| 16:43.41 | osity | foureyes779: good idea |
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| 16:43.49 | slesa | holiganz: I found the howto in english, but it does not help I think |
| 16:44.05 | gtigene | rabies: Do you know how I can identify the specific .ko module created for this particular feature? |
| 16:44.05 | _joey | could someone comment on Intel PRO/1000 MT NIC please |
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| 16:44.07 | azol | slesa: hasst du dein problem gefixt? |
| 16:44.20 | foureyes779 | he |
| 16:44.21 | slesa | huliganz: as the keyboard is switched by kde and the fonts are there...? |
| 16:44.31 | slesa | azol: aha, man spricht deutsch ;-) |
| 16:44.43 | gtigene | lauraw: thanks |
| 16:44.48 | huliganz | slesa kde interface is english? |
| 16:44.51 | slesa | azol: noe |
| 16:45.16 | rabies | gtigene: should say in the description |
| 16:45.22 | slesa | huliganz: no, the howto was in english. kde switches between russian and german |
| 16:45.38 | slesa | azol: mal ein Test: �-ö-� |
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| 16:45.46 | slesa | azol: sieht nicht nach umlauten aus |
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| 16:46.00 | tom_j | I am getting problems with apt-get, when i try any apt-get command say apt-get update it resolves the address (ftp.uk.debian.org/debian) from my sources.list to 1.0.0.0 (to get past the base config script i had to disconect my ethernet connection) |
| 16:46.01 | azol | slesa: ich versuche dir zu helfen. du antwortest aber nicht.... im privat. hasst du solche funktion in deinem irc client? |
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| 16:46.10 | slesa | Its very difficult to enter three languages at once... |
| 16:46.25 | FieldySnuts | @lart freenode for not picking up my ident |
| 16:46.27 | azol | slesa: I knew |
| 16:46.28 | slesa | azol: ich hab davon nix gemerkt |
| 16:46.32 | ricky_clarkson | slesa: Essayer un. |
| 16:46.35 | foureyes779 | tom_j: can you ping it ? |
| 16:46.37 | gtigene | rabies: thank you. |
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| 16:46.46 | Azar | tom_j, if I understand correctly you do not have an internet connection at the time you try to update |
| 16:46.49 | azol | slesa: hm... |
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| 16:46.54 | slesa | ricky_clarkson: questceqe tu veux? |
| 16:46.55 | tom_j | foureyes779L yea i can ping it fine |
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| 16:47.08 | foureyes779 | i have the same prob here sometimes |
| 16:47.11 | slesa | azol: soll ich mal einen privaten aufmachen? |
| 16:47.24 | tom_j | Azar: i have an internet connection when im updating, but for some reason its not working still, resolves all ips to 1.0.0.0 |
| 16:47.25 | foureyes779 | i find that if i ping it first then i cn run apt-get update etc etc |
| 16:47.27 | azol | slesa: schreib mal /mgs azol privet |
| 16:47.46 | FieldySnuts | could y'all please speak engrish or take it elsewhere? busy enough here |
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| 16:47.50 | slesa | hab ich |
| 16:47.51 | jason__ | if debian is trying to bring up a wired LAN card that isn't connected, does it have any way of knowing it's not connected or does it have to keep trying to connect? |
| 16:47.51 | tom_j | foureyes779, i'll try that now |
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| 16:47.58 | osity | caphuso: ok i finished the install and its at the desktop... |
| 16:48.07 | osity | how do i know if its raided... |
| 16:48.07 | foureyes779 | ping -c 5 ftp.us.debian.org |
| 16:48.18 | slesa | ricky_clarkson: je ne peux pas ecrire francais |
| 16:48.35 | FieldySnuts | @lart slesa |
| 16:48.42 | ricky_clarkson | slesa: essayer un lingua, c'est mas simple. |
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| 16:48.49 | slesa | FieldySnuts: ??? |
| 16:48.56 | Azar | tom_j look at your /etc/network/interfaces file see if your info there is correct |
| 16:49.00 | tom_j | foureyes779, it resolved the ip fine when i pinged it |
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| 16:49.12 | slesa | ricky_clarkson: ecole, c'etait ... 15 ans |
| 16:49.12 | tom_j | foureyes779, i have a dlink router |
| 16:49.23 | foureyes779 | tom_j: ok, just a thought |
| 16:49.30 | slesa | azol: hab dich jetzt im eigenen Fenster... |
| 16:49.34 | _joey | Is Intel PRO/1000 MT a good card? |
| 16:49.36 | Azar | tom_j instruct your router to let you use ftp with that machine |
| 16:49.41 | ricky_clarkson | slesa: I said: "Try one language, it's simpler". |
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| 16:49.54 | slesa | ricky_clarkson: net, ja ne hotschu :-) |
| 16:50.03 | slesa | ricky_clarkson: no, I dont want so |
| 16:50.08 | osity | im scared to reboot the system because i dont think it will boot |
| 16:50.10 | slesa | ricky_clarkson: nein, will nicht |
| 16:50.15 | slesa | ricky_clarkson: non, je ne veux pas |
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| 16:50.32 | ricky_clarkson | slesa: There are places for people like you. |
| 16:50.35 | slesa | ricky_clarkson: and for the latin one I must train... |
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| 16:50.44 | ricky_clarkson | Hopefully those places don't have Internet connections. |
| 16:50.44 | slesa | ricky_clarkson: where? |
| 16:50.48 | tom_j | Azar, if i try to disable my firewall on my router i get no internet access atall, and by i have it set to forward all ports to my debian machine |
| 16:50.55 | TommyG_ | I've got a server with the Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5704 Gigabit Ethernet interface onboard, and the tg3 driver I use seem to be somewhat unstable, cause the server crashes when unplugging the network cable or doing a ifup/down etc. I read something about this on google and that there was some sort of dispute over licencing issues etc. I also notice in dmsg that I get an errormessage: tg3: tg3_request_firmware (eth%d): Couldn't get firmw |
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| 16:51.04 | slesa | ricky_clarkson: whats wrong with me? |
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| 16:51.54 | Azar | tom_j you do not need to disable the firewall, just instruct your dlink router to let port 22 open for your Debian machine IP in/out |
| 16:52.00 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: what does thomas_adam pay you for? |
| 16:52.01 | dpkg | often thomas_adam pays me for a good kick in the kidneys, fieldysnuts, but I'm open to suggestions! |
| 16:52.15 | rabies | poor dpkg...always been abused with crappy factoids ;) |
| 16:52.16 | tom_j | Azar, all ports are open for my machine anyway |
| 16:52.39 | Azar | tom_j I used to use a dlink router as well, access the online interface and make that rule, is easy even for a newbie like me |
| 16:53.06 | ricky_clarkson | slesa: 1. You care what I think. |
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| 16:53.19 | Azar | tom_j ports open at Debian machine or at router level? |
| 16:53.26 | slesa | ricky_clarkson: not really ;-) |
| 16:53.28 | tom_j | it was working yesterday, but i needed to reinstall everything today, and i was using the same sources.list as i am now, but i wasnt getting this problem, however i did have this problem when i first installed debian but then it went away |
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| 16:53.47 | tom_j | azar, ports are forwarded to debian using DMZ |
| 16:53.56 | Azar | I see |
| 16:54.34 | Azar | tom_j are you able to access websites via a browser? |
| 16:54.49 | tom_j | azar, yes, i am using the same machine now to use irc |
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| 16:55.09 | lauraw | tom_j: does your /etc/hosts have anything interresting? |
| 16:55.23 | K_Dallas | that is an amazing and enlightening article to be read ;) |
| 16:55.24 | K_Dallas | http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinfrastructure/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html |
| 16:55.29 | K_Dallas | Is Linux For Losers? |
| 16:55.38 | rabies | why yes! |
| 16:55.41 | rabies | ... |
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| 16:55.48 | Azar | tom_j try to use some other ftp link in your sources.list, see maybe that works |
| 16:55.51 | rabies | what kind of question is that? its a friggin operating system |
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| 16:55.55 | tom_j | lauraw, my /etc/hosts contains a line for local loopback and some stuff about ipv6 |
| 16:55.59 | rabies | you use it if you need it |
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| 16:56.21 | tom_j | azar, i only have the ftp.uk.debian.org/debian link in sources.list |
| 16:56.26 | K_Dallas | rabies, it seems the auther like his bsd ;) |
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| 16:56.52 | rabies | K_Dallas: its theo, what do you think? the guys insane |
| 16:56.55 | rabies | guy's* |
| 16:56.59 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 16:57.04 | lauraw | tom_j: does using a different mirror help? |
| 16:57.15 | rabies | you even know anything about him? |
| 16:57.27 | rabies | he got kicked out of netbsd for being too unlikeable |
| 16:57.30 | tom_j | lauraw, just tried that with apt-setup (on a random ftp link cant remember which) and i got exactly the same problem |
| 16:57.56 | K_Dallas | this is the first time i have heard his name |
| 16:57.57 | lauraw | tom_j: have you tried an http mirror? |
| 16:57.57 | tom_j | resloved to 1.0.0.0 |
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| 16:58.16 | K_Dallas | interesting. he is also making remarkable comments out there ;) |
| 16:58.20 | ricky_clarkson | tom_j: dig ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 16:58.21 | tom_j | lauraw, yes i have (was originally a http mirror but then i tried ftp) |
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| 16:58.47 | rabies | K_Dallas: hes famous for being an ass in any way possible even though he is good at cleaning up code, he even lost a millitary contract because of it |
| 16:58.48 | lauraw | ah yes dns resolving happens before ftp or http is in the picture |
| 16:58.59 | sdogi | is xfs stable in practice? |
| 16:59.02 | Azar | tom_j is your link showed there in this format? deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib ? |
| 16:59.10 | tom_j | ricky_clarkson i got a large output from that, looks like it worked |
| 16:59.26 | sdogi | whats with that guy saying "Linux people didn't get it right" http://users.thundrix.ch/~tonnerre/faqs/xfs.html |
| 16:59.29 | tom_j | azar, deb http://http.uk.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 16:59.45 | ricky_clarkson | tom_j: The volume isn't as important as the IP it gives you. |
| 17:00.11 | Azar | tom_j i see, I usually have an alternate link just in case my favorite mirror goes down |
| 17:00.19 | lauraw | tom_j: that shoulod be deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 17:00.28 | tom_j | ok i will try that |
| 17:00.33 | lauraw | I think |
| 17:00.42 | Azar | lauraw is right :) |
| 17:01.03 | lauraw | http.uk.debian.org doesn't exist, I mean |
| 17:01.19 | Azar | yeah is a file transfer protocol url |
| 17:01.20 | tom_j | lauraw, it seems to be working now... |
| 17:01.52 | tom_j | its still resolving the security line to 1.0.0.0 |
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| 17:02.02 | RedEyess | ok |
| 17:02.05 | RedEyess | maybe I am dumb |
| 17:02.08 | Azar | tom_j review the security url in sources.list for typos |
| 17:02.12 | lauraw | tom_j: what does your security line say exactly? |
| 17:02.15 | tom_j | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 17:02.16 | kilaker | Hey, i got a problem with Tv-out. At comp. startup my tv-out works perfect but when i come to X-server (gnome login) screen it dissappears. :/ |
| 17:02.19 | RedEyess | how do you increase the resolution of Debian |
| 17:02.25 | RedEyess | of the xserver |
| 17:03.06 | empty | So what's the preferred method to roam between several wifi networks? I thought it was wpa_supplicant but I am not seeing WEP support in here from what I can tell |
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| 17:03.11 | rabies | !tell RedEyess about modelines |
| 17:03.14 | rabies | !tell RedEyess about modeline |
| 17:03.36 | RedEyess | what is modelines? |
| 17:03.42 | lauraw | tom_j: that looks correct |
| 17:03.45 | rabies | RedEyess: they are how you change resolution |
| 17:03.55 | RedEyess | aiiight |
| 17:03.57 | RedEyess | let me try |
| 17:04.04 | rabies | RedEyess: /msg dpkg modeline |
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| 17:04.14 | initech | dipshit question: i just installed sarge. post install, it is loading gazillions of drivers for stuff I do not want nor have. none of this is in /etc/modules. where is this stuff loading from? the initrd? why does it stay there? |
| 17:04.21 | sdogi | so.. xfs is stable, just bsd guys like to troll.. huh relief |
| 17:04.23 | ricky_clarkson | RedEyess: Press Ctrl-Alt and the + sign from your numpad simultaneously. |
| 17:04.34 | tom_j | its resolving ftp.debian.org back to 1.0.0.0 again |
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| 17:04.47 | hikenboot | anyone know how to install an external hard drive thru usb...I thought I could enumerate the USB by typing lsusb but it doesnt seem to work |
| 17:04.49 | ricky_clarkson | tom_j: dig ftp.debian.org - what IP address? |
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| 17:05.01 | FieldySnuts | I'm not getting that |
| 17:05.11 | RedEyess | I need to increase the res |
| 17:05.13 | FieldySnuts | !nslookup ftp.debian.org |
| 17:05.15 | Azar | tom_j then it is something at your router level I would guess |
| 17:05.17 | initech | hikenboot: you can if the right drivers are loaded ... |
| 17:05.25 | RedEyess | so ctrl+alt+backkey |
| 17:05.26 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: dig ftp.debian.org |
| 17:05.27 | RedEyess | won't work |
| 17:05.31 | FieldySnuts | bbl... |
| 17:05.32 | empty | hikenboot, usb storage usually shows up as SCSI |
| 17:05.33 | tom_j | ricky, there are multiple ip's |
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| 17:05.45 | Azar | tom_j do you have another machine connected through that router to check if it works? |
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| 17:05.54 | Beby | hola |
| 17:05.56 | Beby | a todos |
| 17:06.00 | tom_j | azar, i have a windows machine |
| 17:06.02 | initech | empty: it isn't showing up as anything if lsusb doesn't show it |
| 17:06.04 | RedEyess | how do I use modelines |
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| 17:06.18 | Azar | tom_j try to download something on that window machine, a picture, song.. whatever |
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| 17:06.32 | empty | initech, yeah I suppose so. |
| 17:06.44 | tom_j | azar, i can tell you it works fine for stuff like that, only apt-get im having problems with |
| 17:07.12 | empty | initech, I am taking the day off and doing nothing. Absolutely nothing. Thought somehow that you'd appreciate it ;) |
| 17:07.16 | foureyes779 | tom_j: shut the windows machine down and try it |
| 17:07.24 | initech | empty: excellent |
| 17:07.33 | tom_j | foureyes779: already off |
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| 17:07.55 | opqdonut | easiest way to get css protected dvd playback on debian? |
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| 17:08.01 | jethro | @aussiesmite FieldySnuts |
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| 17:08.02 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: jeeeez mate who cut the dog in half? better check your bloody dacks mate |
| 17:08.06 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 17:08.08 | foureyes779 | tom_j: ok, turn it ON and try it |
| 17:08.09 | jethro | :) |
| 17:08.12 | Azar | tom_j then the only thing I know of, is looking and configuring your /etc/network/interfaces file, accordingly for DHCP |
| 17:08.19 | Snifffurt | is there a sarge amd64 FAQ or so arround? |
| 17:08.28 | resiak | !aussiesmite jethro |
| 17:08.28 | dpkg | jethro: godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell |
| 17:08.33 | rabies | Snifffurt: try their webpage |
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| 17:08.41 | rabies | Snifffurt: or #debian-amd64 |
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| 17:08.49 | initech | opqdonut: add marrillats site to your sources.list for whatever branch you run and install all the dvd crap |
| 17:08.49 | Snifffurt | rabies: thx |
| 17:09.04 | opqdonut | initech: ok thanks |
| 17:09.05 | tom_j | Azar, i will try that later, i have to go out now, thanks for all your help people, hopefully it might start working again (seems to be tempromental) |
| 17:09.09 | epsilon | I have problem to setup phpmyadmin: mysql is running, I can login as root with password into mysql-shell. But phpmyadmin (host,port in config set, tried all auth methods) complains with "#1045 - Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)". Any idea why? |
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| 17:09.22 | FieldySnuts | !aussiesmite Phated |
| 17:09.23 | dpkg | Phated: yeahh bob's your uncle you stupid wanker |
| 17:09.25 | kilaker | rabies, could you anwser my Private chat to you ? |
| 17:09.28 | initech | opqdonut: don't know the uri by heart but google should give it to you quickly |
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| 17:09.44 | asg | FieldySnuts: you should change bob's to bob2's in that factoid |
| 17:09.49 | jasoncohen | huh...i removed auto eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces but something is still starting it. the only difference is that debian no longer waits until eth0 is up to go on with the boot process so it doesn't mount my NFS shares. what's starting eth0 if not /etc/init.d/networking? |
| 17:09.56 | hikenboot | thanks guys next question i understand ntfs support is now native in the 2.6 kernel without using MS native NTFS driver...is that true? |
| 17:10.03 | jethro | asg: heh |
| 17:10.04 | rabies | kilaker: you pmed me? |
| 17:10.13 | kilaker | yes i did |
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| 17:10.29 | rabies | kilaker: i'd rather you didnt pm if possible |
| 17:10.36 | kilaker | sure |
| 17:10.41 | kilaker | but, |
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| 17:10.44 | kilaker | i got ATI |
| 17:10.57 | kilaker | and you said something about twinview in xconfig |
| 17:11.05 | kilaker | how do i add that and where? |
| 17:11.09 | FieldySnuts | asg: heh. nah, i think I annoy him quite enough |
| 17:11.10 | jason__ | hikenboot, that's correct |
| 17:11.31 | initech | isn't twinview an nvidia specific thing? |
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| 17:11.38 | FieldySnuts | @annoy bob2 |
| 17:11.38 | kilaker | it maybe |
| 17:11.38 | ravenbird | bob2: HELP!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
| 17:11.45 | jason__ | just add /dev/hdaX /mnt/windows ntfs defaults 0 0 |
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| 17:11.52 | kilaker | what's the name for ati ? |
| 17:11.58 | FieldySnuts | kilaker: "shit" |
| 17:11.58 | kilaker | cloneview ? |
| 17:12.06 | kilaker | funny :P |
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| 17:12.14 | FieldySnuts | sorry couldn't help it heh |
| 17:12.17 | initech | FieldySnuts: you got that right (and I have a radeon) |
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| 17:12.25 | FieldySnuts | oh I know i've dealt with them... |
| 17:12.31 | jason__ | so, why is my ethernet card starting if /etc/network/interfaces has it set to noauto and /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't bring it up? |
| 17:12.59 | kilaker | FieldySnuts , you do ? |
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| 17:14.49 | opqdonut | i added marillat but when i try to apt-get update i get "Too many connections (2) from this IP [IP: 62.4.17.14 21]" and that isn't even my IP! (i'm not behind a nat) |
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| 17:15.15 | ricky_clarkson | opqdonut: What is the IP of marillat? |
| 17:15.18 | gentgeen__ | What chmod XXX would I use if I want everything placed into a particular directory to have that directories GROUP ownership?? Isn't that something I can do with "sticky bits"? |
| 17:15.28 | black13 | what is the dhcp client that debian uses |
| 17:15.30 | caphuso | gentgeen__: setgid bit |
| 17:15.35 | ricky_clarkson | dhcp_client iirc |
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| 17:15.42 | gentgeen__ | caphuso, thanks |
| 17:15.51 | TBBle | jason__: What'd you tell hotplug to do when it finds your card? |
| 17:16.01 | opqdonut | ricky_clarkson: it's that |
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| 17:16.21 | jason__ | TBBle, hotplug is supposed to start it ..but it never works |
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| 17:16.32 | opqdonut | black13: dhclient i think |
| 17:16.34 | jason__ | TBBle, hotplug will start both my wireless cards but never my wired |
| 17:16.39 | ricky_clarkson | opqdonut: Right. Something on your side doesn't like having >1 connection from marillat, and for some reason there are >1. |
| 17:16.56 | opqdonut | hmh... i'll try passive ftp. |
| 17:16.57 | black13 | opqdonut, i am installing etch ... i will find out pretty fast |
| 17:17.01 | TBBle | jason__: So something starting your NIC, that isn't hotplug, but hotplug is supposed to, and it's not got auto set? |
| 17:17.10 | jason__ | nope |
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| 17:17.33 | jason__ | TBBle, oh- wait |
| 17:17.41 | jason__ | TBBle, it might be hotplug |
| 17:17.48 | TBBle | ^_^ |
| 17:17.54 | opqdonut | ricky_clarkson: hmm, it worked now, even without pftp. probly a glitch somewhere. |
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| 17:18.18 | jason__ | TBBle, i forgot- you can't actually remove a wired device so when it starts up it may be starting from hotplug. reconnecting the cable does nothing because that's not the same as reconnecting the device |
| 17:18.22 | jason__ | i guess hotplug is starting it |
| 17:18.31 | black13 | god i love vmware |
| 17:18.43 | ricky_clarkson | black13: I doubt god cares. |
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| 17:18.48 | TBBle | That makes sense. hotplug events for built-in devices get sent on boot. |
| 17:18.49 | jason__ | TBBle, but why does hotplug allow it to start in the background w/o waiting before starting other network services? |
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| 17:19.07 | black13 | god i love ricky_clarkson |
| 17:19.23 | jason__ | TBBle, i actually want it to work that way because when i had my wireless and wired card set to auto if the wired wasn't connected it would sit there trying to connect it |
| 17:19.28 | TBBle | Because the hotplug events arrive before networking services. This is actually a reason to _not_ have hotplug start your network devices, but use 'auto' instead, I think. |
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| 17:20.08 | TBBle | You want... ifplugd... I think? Does things based on the cable status of the NIC. Other alternative exist, I believe. Apt-cache search laptop will prolly hit them all. |
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| 17:20.09 | jason__ | TBBle, btw, why doesn't networing know that there's no cable connected and stop trying to connect? |
| 17:20.28 | jason__ | TBBle, oh, ok |
| 17:20.39 | jason__ | so regular auto doesn't check cable status? |
| 17:20.42 | TBBle | jason__: Because NIC cable sensing is currently completely ignored by all parts of the basic linux network stack. Possibly to do with historical unreliability of it. |
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| 17:20.49 | kilaker | Hello, I got a problem with Tv-Out (ATI), at comp startup the cloneview are perfect but when i come to x-server startup (gnome login) screen it dissappears ? :/ |
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| 17:21.03 | TBBle | Yeah. Regular auto just tries to bring the NIC up. |
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| 17:21.10 | zinx | TBBle: eh? the linux network stack shouldn't have anything to do with NIC cable sensing in the first place |
| 17:21.20 | zinx | TBBle: that's userland stuff. and there's userland stuff for it. |
| 17:21.23 | TBBle | zinx: That's the point. |
| 17:21.44 | zinx | TBBle: see ifplugd, etc. |
| 17:21.45 | kilaker | rabies ? |
| 17:21.50 | TBBle | Although I was including ifupdown, ifconfig and iproute2 in 'basic network stack' |
| 17:21.51 | rabies | kilaker: yes? |
| 17:21.58 | hikenboot | sorry guys one more question...I assume that /proc contains device information about usb devices..is there a good document on how to setup an external usb device for debian? |
| 17:22.04 | kilaker | what did you say about twinview ? |
| 17:22.10 | rabies | kilaker: read the nvidia docs on it |
| 17:22.10 | jason__ | TBBle, so i want eth0 to be done by ifplugd and networing to handle wireless with hotplug? |
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| 17:22.14 | kilaker | i got aTI |
| 17:22.16 | kilaker | ATI * |
| 17:22.20 | hikenboot | this happens to be a hard drive with an NTFS partition |
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| 17:22.40 | rabies | kilaker: they have a huge readme with all the config options |
| 17:22.42 | TBBle | jason__: I guess so, yeah. Haven't tried it, although I ought to do at least ifplugd for my laptop. |
| 17:22.52 | kilaker | even for ATI ? :/ |
| 17:23.35 | Eulex | I wanted use the 2.6.12-rc6 kernel, because a thing with my cd burner is fixed with it... I then noticed that there was no full version of it, there was just a patch, so I assumed that it was a patch against 2.6.11.12, but it wasn't... so, what am I supposed to apply that patch on? |
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| 17:24.01 | kilaker | rabies : even for ATI ? |
| 17:24.12 | rabies | kilaker: ati doesnt use twinview |
| 17:24.14 | rabies | kilaker: ask in #ati about that |
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| 17:24.27 | black13 | what is the syntac for the sources.list file is it deb url release name? |
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| 17:24.33 | black13 | syntax |
| 17:24.38 | caphuso | black13: man 5 sources.list |
| 17:25.07 | black13 | caphuso dont yet have a working debian system |
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| 17:25.21 | kilaker | rabies : ty |
| 17:25.27 | rabies | kilaker: np |
| 17:25.30 | caphuso | black13: google for "sources.list man page" |
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| 17:27.42 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 17:27.53 | Eulex | what is the 2.6.12-rc6 patch at kernel.org supposed to be applied to? |
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| 17:28.33 | florg | hi all, i'm trying to build a kernel and get problems to get it work with an initrd. Can i use a kernel without an initrd? Is it sufficient to build in the file system moduls into the kernel? |
| 17:28.58 | caphuso | florg: no. you need the necessary hardware support to reach / too |
| 17:29.19 | florg | what is that? |
| 17:29.26 | Eulex | florg: and it should be compiled into the kernel, not as modules |
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| 17:29.50 | florg | yes i mean that. |
| 17:29.50 | Eulex | florg: you need to compile in support for your root hd and fs |
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| 17:30.45 | kerneld | Eulex: or have it as a module in your initrd and ensure you are using your initrd correctly |
| 17:31.18 | aliumalik | People are there any light window managers based on Qt? |
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| 17:31.24 | Eulex | kerneld: yes, but he was asking if it was possible without an initrd |
| 17:32.07 | Eulex | aliumalik: afaik, windows managers has not much to do with gtk or qt; but I know that fluxbox should work with kde |
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| 17:32.49 | kerneld | Eulex: Sorry just scrolled by for the last bit |
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| 17:33.17 | black13 | are there specific iso images for a a release say a iso image for "etch" |
| 17:33.31 | jasoncohen | opqdonut, that worked. now it automatically starts eth0 when i plug in the cable |
| 17:33.34 | Eulex | black13, etch is not released |
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| 17:33.55 | Eulex | sorry all, I found the answer to my question on kernel.org... |
| 17:34.05 | black13 | Eulex, oh |
| 17:34.18 | jasoncohen | opqdonut, what if i wanted eth0 to start up automatically with auto so ntpdate and nfs shares are mounted? can i still use ifplugd? |
| 17:34.40 | Azar | is shebang required for use when shell scripting? it is hard for me to understand the "magic" from the man, the wording of explanations are terribly tech |
| 17:34.42 | Eulex | black13: but there are full isos for all the stable releases |
| 17:35.05 | caphuso | Azar: yes, it is. otherwise the kernel won't know what to do with the script |
| 17:35.10 | black13 | Eulex, what if i wanted to use etch or rather can i use etch |
| 17:35.28 | Eulex | caphuso, *kernel*? shell!! |
| 17:35.34 | Azar | ok caphuso I will use shebang then on all my script files |
| 17:35.36 | caphuso | Eulex: kernel |
| 17:35.51 | Eulex | hmm, ok... |
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| 17:36.39 | caphuso | Eulex: http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?shebang |
| 17:36.49 | Eulex | black13: go netinstall, and then I think you can use jigdo |
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| 17:37.05 | florg | i now selected all the file systems i need to be built into the kernel. There is one more option to automatically mount at boot - do i need it? |
| 17:37.10 | black13 | that is what i am trying |
| 17:37.20 | Eulex | caphuso: ok |
| 17:37.27 | Eulex | black13: which of them? |
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| 17:43.03 | Azar | hmm my manual says: "When not to use shell scripts " : "Situations where security is important, where you need to guarantee the integrity of your system and protect against intrusion, cracking, and vandalism" ... but ...but.. |
| 17:43.26 | Azar | I am trying to learn shell scripting to automate iptable rules |
| 17:44.07 | Azar | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/why-shell.html |
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| 17:44.26 | radical_ | Azar: so? if you dont have user interaction you should be fine. |
| 17:45.10 | caphuso | even user interaction is fine, if you write the script properly |
| 17:45.11 | Azar | radical_ user interaction meaning "friends having accounts in my Debian machine" ? |
| 17:45.27 | caphuso | that whole reason is rather stupid |
| 17:45.35 | Tiberio | where to get a Quake 4 torrent file? |
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| 17:46.02 | K_Dallas | lol, bye bye Tiberio |
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| 17:46.10 | K_Dallas | !lol |
| 17:46.10 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a linspire user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 17:46.15 | hikenboot | I have kernel 2.6.8-2 if lsusb hangs and mount /dev/sdb -t ntfs /mnt/ntfs hangs what else can i do to recover my ntfs hard drive? |
| 17:46.19 | florg | can anyone suggest a howto to build a kernel for debian without needing a ramdisk? |
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| 17:46.42 | petemc | hikenboot: there are ntfs recover tools iirc |
| 17:46.45 | radical_ | Azar: well more like "runs on its own" |
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| 17:47.03 | hikenboot | iirc is the name of the recover tool???? |
| 17:47.07 | radical_ | if you have untrusted users on your box, put em in a chroot jail |
| 17:47.16 | petemc | !+iirc |
| 17:47.16 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 17:47.16 | jethro | !iirc |
| 17:47.16 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 17:47.23 | jim | florg: make sure you have all drivers needed to mount / in the kernel. THEN you do not need ramdisk. |
| 17:47.33 | Azar | everything is so new to me, I have to read sentences twice and think over ... |
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| 17:47.40 | zinx | radical_: if you have untrusted users on your box, you're an idiot. never ever add an untrusted user :) |
| 17:47.44 | Azar | hi jim |
| 17:47.48 | hikenboot | you wouldnt know anyone who might be able to tell me what they are called would you? |
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| 17:48.03 | jim | hi Azar :) how's it going today? |
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| 17:48.20 | Azar | zinx, I cannot find an untrusted user until he/she screws me up |
| 17:48.25 | petemc | hikenboot: its not a linux tool, and it costs a little bit, but ERD is good |
| 17:48.25 | florg | jim: yes, as i said above, i selected all the filesystems i use to be built into the kernel |
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| 17:48.36 | Azar | jim , I am trying my hard... new field on bash scripting |
| 17:48.41 | caphuso | florg: again, you also need support for the _hardware_ |
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| 17:49.15 | jim | florg: what else besides filesystem drivers might you need to support for mounting /? |
| 17:49.43 | radical_ | "Adding new user `zinx' (1337) with group `zinx'." ... |
| 17:49.50 | radical_ | :) |
| 17:49.55 | florg | ok... i'm searcching for some hardware drivers ;-) |
| 17:49.55 | jim | (btw, you only need the fs driver for /; the other fs drivers can be modules) |
| 17:50.05 | florg | sorry, it's my first kernel build |
| 17:50.08 | jasoncohen | nice, i can now start eth0 with auto eth0 and then quickly switch to wireless by removing eth0 monitored by ifplugd and connecting the wireless card which is started by hotplug & brings up wpa_supplicant for WPA support |
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| 17:50.27 | florg | ok, second |
| 17:50.29 | jim | florg: well, yes :) what hardware? |
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| 17:50.47 | valdyn | florg: why bother building your own kernel? |
| 17:50.51 | jasoncohen | opqdonut, do you know of a good way to support multiple wireless network selections with priorities? i've tried with wpa_supplicant but it never works on WEP APs. |
| 17:50.51 | jshoenberger | What's the mail package named? My brain has gone missing... |
| 17:51.03 | jasoncohen | jshoenberger, exim4? |
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| 17:51.20 | valdyn | jshoenberger: there's alot of "mail" related packages... |
| 17:51.24 | florg | valdyn: because i want sw suspend! |
| 17:51.33 | jshoenberger | ah, just the one that configures sending |
| 17:51.34 | florg | must have |
| 17:51.35 | Azar | is this path refering to my root /bin directory or my "made" /bin in user directory? #!/bin/bash |
| 17:51.44 | jshoenberger | dpkg-reconfigure ... |
| 17:51.46 | petemc | jshoenberger: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 17:51.51 | jshoenberger | sure, thanks |
| 17:52.04 | gvandora | I'm trying to send mail via exim tol internet addresses however I get an unroutable mail domain error. Sending to accounts on the same hosts works fine |
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| 17:52.20 | Azar | um caphuso what I am confused about is that according with the tutorials I created a /bin directory in my user account |
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| 17:52.31 | jetx | hey what does $* at the end of a command in a #!/bin/sh script mean |
| 17:52.32 | valdyn | florg: on a notebook? there might be a howto including a working kernel config somewhere.. |
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| 17:52.38 | caphuso | Azar: it says "/bin/bash". make an educated guess if it means "/bin/bash" or not |
| 17:52.48 | nvz | Azar: even if that were true it would not be called /bin |
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| 17:52.56 | fschulte | hi all, does the apache2 package ship with ssl? |
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| 17:53.00 | nvz | Azar: it would be called ~/bin |
| 17:53.02 | caphuso | jetx: all paramaters, concatenated with the first character in $IFS |
| 17:53.04 | hikenboot | I have been told kernel 2.6-11 works better with usb block devices is that true? |
| 17:53.29 | jetx | ok thanks |
| 17:53.29 | florg | valdyn: they all describe it with ramdisk, but this failed for me. So i'd like to try without one |
| 17:53.42 | nvz | hikenboot: could be if there were a 2.6-11 and you had read the changelog |
| 17:53.49 | valdyn | florg: im using swsusp2 on an ibm thinkpad, its just uh, tricky, so you probably got alot of work ahead.. |
| 17:54.04 | Azar | oh I see, thanks nvz, caphuso -- can I create/write ALL kind of shell scripts in user or some have to be written in root? |
| 17:54.08 | valdyn | florg: i see |
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| 17:54.19 | florg | valdyn: i already have it behind me ;-) |
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| 17:54.28 | florg | and there is no end |
| 17:54.51 | caphuso | Azar: you can write them as whoever you like. but running them is a totally different matter |
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| 17:55.14 | valdyn | florg: if you had a thinkpad i could help you out. guess you don' |
| 17:55.18 | jetx | if i'm in say tty2, and say i'm logged into gnome or something on 7, how would i get an x app to run from tty2? |
| 17:55.34 | Azar | caphuso , thanks :) |
| 17:55.43 | florg | valdyn: no, a compaq |
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| 17:55.55 | nvz | jetx: you would have to be the user running X, and you would use the --display :0.0 option if available |
| 17:55.59 | FieldySnuts | DISPLAY="whatever" application , though that's the hard way, just open up a terminal in gnome |
| 17:56.00 | valdyn | jetx: in tty2 "export DISPLAY=:1" |
| 17:56.02 | nvz | jetx: otherwise its not possible |
| 17:56.07 | valdyn | jetx: in tty2 "export DISPLAY=:0" ( or whatever ) |
| 17:56.11 | caphuso | jetx: or "DISPLAY=whatever foo" |
| 17:56.13 | Tiberio | I'm trying to compile my serve's kernel from my debian desktop by 'export DISPLAY=IP_DESKTOP:0.0; make xconfig'... but it don't work. |
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| 17:56.33 | gvandora | I'm trying to send mail via exim tol internet addresses however I get an unroutable mail domain error. |
| 17:56.37 | FieldySnuts | well you didn't say two different machines |
| 17:56.37 | darxeth | i connected the cable modem after i started the linux and now it does'nt seem to recognize a connection to the internet, i ping google.com and tells me unknown host. what should i do to make it connect through the network cable? |
| 17:56.39 | caphuso | Tiberio: use menuconfig |
| 17:56.44 | FieldySnuts | indeed, menuconfig |
| 17:56.46 | nvz | xconfig is a pile of shit |
| 17:56.47 | FieldySnuts | or ssh X tunneling |
| 17:56.50 | valdyn | Tiberio: why would you do something like that? |
| 17:56.57 | rabies | darxeth: get a router and use dhcp |
| 17:56.58 | darxeth | *cable networking (instead of cable modem) |
| 17:57.12 | darxeth | rabies i dont have a router |
| 17:57.12 | rabies | darxeth: use RJ-45 connections |
| 17:57.20 | rabies | darxeth: well then man interfaces |
| 17:57.21 | valdyn | Tiberio: use abovementioned ssh -X, or sux, or sudo |
| 17:57.24 | Tiberio | My server don't have a display monitor |
| 17:57.26 | jetx | so it starts at 0, and i can chose my monitor or the tv, assuming they're already working? (they are) |
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| 17:57.58 | nvz | Tiberio: all the more reason NOT to use xconifg. ssh and menuconfig |
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| 17:58.05 | valdyn | !tell Tiberio about sshx |
| 17:58.28 | jetx | export DISPLAY=:1 && xine dvd:// ? |
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| 17:58.38 | Tiberio | ok |
| 17:58.40 | darxeth | rabies i can restart the computer and get a working network connection. but i asked how can i get linux to identify the network cable after i start the system |
| 17:58.40 | jetx | dont want mplayer |
| 17:58.47 | valdyn | jetx: sure. |
| 17:58.49 | caphuso | jetx: if :1 is the display number you need to use |
| 17:58.57 | opqdonut | will copying a kernel+modules over from another distro on the same box work? |
| 17:59.02 | nvz | the discussion here this afternoon is disgusting me :P I'm going away ... |
| 17:59.02 | FieldySnuts | how on earth would it identify the cable |
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| 17:59.06 | rabies | darxeth: linux doesnt identify network cables per se |
| 17:59.07 | valdyn | jetx: ":0" is your first display. |
| 17:59.16 | rabies | darxeth: it reconizes devices |
| 17:59.56 | darxeth | rabies ok how can i get it to connect through the cable after i start the system? |
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| 18:00.06 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 18:00.06 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 18:00.12 | rabies | darxeth: you can either set it up as a dynamic or static ip connection |
| 18:00.16 | jetx | so the 0 and 1 are referring to heads, aka vid cards, not the monitors atm configured for twinview |
| 18:00.22 | valdyn | darxeth: start thinking about devices, NOT cables.. |
| 18:00.46 | rabies | darxeth: first make sure that it detects your ethernet card by doing "ifconfig -a | grep eth0" as root |
| 18:01.21 | jetx | ok well if it doesn't work atm i'll ditch the twinview and do the dual head emu thing |
| 18:01.28 | rabies | darxeth: if it does, "/msg dpkg interfaces" for more info |
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| 18:01.37 | jetx | thankee very kindly |
| 18:01.40 | jetx | all ya'll |
| 18:02.11 | FieldySnuts | git-r-done |
| 18:02.13 | rabies | !tell darxeth about interfaces |
| 18:02.26 | darxeth | i'm still a newbie and i started learning the linux/debian very well and fast but my lcd screen has broken so i had to wait like about 2 or 3 months till i got a new one.. so i might be a lil "unfamiliar" with the linux system atm since it's the first time i touch it after fixing it |
| 18:02.36 | petemc | the svideo out on my nvidia card is :0.1 |
| 18:02.41 | rabies | darxeth: dont make excuses |
| 18:02.52 | FieldySnuts | os doesn't matter, we're talking hardware |
| 18:02.56 | rabies | darxeth: fix problems, dont invent reasons for why you cant fix it |
| 18:02.58 | FieldySnuts | !blame darxeth |
| 18:03.20 | rabies | darxeth: to be honest, no one here cares about why you dont know, only if theres a way to fix it and how |
| 18:03.22 | rabies | darxeth: :) |
| 18:03.44 | zinx | !magic hate ball |
| 18:04.05 | joel | magic hate bell, wtf is that supposed to be? |
| 18:04.08 | jasoncohen | how do i specify an altnerative port for exim4's smarthost? |
| 18:04.12 | darxeth | rabies i was just stating that i'm a newbie and you have to bear with me. |
| 18:04.14 | Eulex | haha, zinx, true |
| 18:04.18 | rabies | joel: magic eight ball? pun? :) |
| 18:04.24 | rabies | darxeth: i dont have to do anything |
| 18:04.28 | valdyn | jasoncohen: the the *hell* would you do that? |
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| 18:04.41 | rabies | darxeth: chill out |
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| 18:04.58 | rabies | joel: :) |
| 18:05.00 | valdyn | jasoncohen: trying to disable yourself from recieving mail? |
| 18:05.02 | Eulex | !tell darxeth about n00b |
| 18:05.03 | rabies | joel: what makes it so magical? |
| 18:05.04 | petemc | jasoncohen: you would do that in the transport your manualroute router uses |
| 18:05.07 | jasoncohen | valdyn, my university won't allow unauthenticated/no-login connections to its SMTP server on port 25 for some reason. i ned to connect on 587 |
| 18:05.08 | darxeth | rabies k thanks. i'll try your suggestions |
| 18:05.13 | rabies | darxeth: k |
| 18:05.21 | XTF | Hi. What should be done if a maintainer doesn't handle (all) bug reports? |
| 18:05.29 | rabies | XTF: try upstream |
| 18:05.34 | jasoncohen | valdyn, i'm trying to send cron-apt reports to my email address through my univeristy's SMTP server |
| 18:05.37 | joel | rabies: it's amazing versatility |
| 18:05.44 | rabies | joel: mmm |
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| 18:05.49 | valdyn | jasoncohen: you dont want to change the port, you want to enable tls authentication |
| 18:05.50 | XTF | rabies: Is there no 'official' policy in Debian for that? |
| 18:05.54 | petemc | valdyn: its quite common to use the submission port |
| 18:05.54 | jasoncohen | it was working until a few days ago. they must have changed the policy |
| 18:05.56 | Boohbah | why would anyone use debian? |
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| 18:06.15 | Eulex | !tell Boohbah about why debian |
| 18:06.18 | rabies | XTF: well if a maintainer is inactive you can get someone to do a NMU, but its unlikely unless you are the one doing it |
| 18:06.19 | joel | Boohbah: the great package system is probably what is most appreciated with debian |
| 18:06.24 | paulswm | I smell a troll. |
| 18:06.28 | jasoncohen | valdyn, yeah well...i spent hours trying to do that with exim4 and it didn't work. i set smtp.comcast.net:username:password but it didnt' work |
| 18:06.30 | joel | I smell a rat |
| 18:06.33 | valdyn | petemc: good to know, however he's not having a nonstandard port there, just not plain smtp |
| 18:06.45 | petemc | valdyn: grep 587 /etc/services |
| 18:06.59 | jasoncohen | valdyn, shouldn't it use tls by default if you use SMTP auth? |
| 18:07.02 | Boohbah | i smell myself |
| 18:07.09 | joel | :) |
| 18:07.13 | rabies | XTF: you can also try telling the maintence team that the maintainer is inactive and see if they could get a replacement, though since its all vollunteer manpower is usually in high demand |
| 18:07.26 | valdyn | petemc: yea, i see |
| 18:07.27 | Boohbah | just creating some conversation, don't get defensive ;) |
| 18:07.39 | thorie | how do I get my root password? i forgot it |
| 18:07.41 | jasoncohen | valdyn, so, how would i enable TLS &? |
| 18:07.47 | joel | Boohbah: it's ok, don't worry |
| 18:07.51 | valdyn | jasoncohen: i know it will pick that port automatically when that authentication method is enabled. |
| 18:07.54 | qzio | thorie: boot up in singel user mode |
| 18:07.57 | petemc | thorie: /msg dpkg i for root's password |
| 18:07.57 | MobyTurbo | Boohbah: this channel is busy enough to not need to create conversation |
| 18:08.03 | petemc | gah |
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| 18:08.08 | petemc | i forgot root's password |
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| 18:08.11 | qzio | thorie: or go sudo |
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| 18:08.23 | petemc | youd need root to set sudo up.. |
| 18:08.34 | hikenboot | nvz I am trying to get around a semi-failed external hard drive if i cant upgrade to kernel 2.6.11 which is supposed to be more forgiving with usb block devices...what are my alternatives? |
| 18:08.43 | valdyn | jasoncohen: one sec, reading my own config.. |
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| 18:08.45 | petemc | i think the grammar in that factoid name isnt right... |
| 18:09.18 | darxeth | so ifup -a was my solution :\ wow thanks everybody! |
| 18:09.25 | darxeth | <3 |
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| 18:09.31 | valdyn | jasoncohen: read /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.SMTP-AUTH |
| 18:09.37 | rabies | XTF: the most effective way is to sign a support contract w/ a 3rd party company and im sure they'll fix it |
| 18:09.56 | jasoncohen | valdyn, i set that up for my comcast account smtp.comcast.net:username:password |
| 18:10.04 | jasoncohen | valdyn, do i have to do anything to enable TLS? |
| 18:10.10 | paulswm | Boohbah: "why would anyone use debian?" is usually followed by "yah, debian is so old", "you all suck", etc, hence the reaction to your question. |
| 18:10.16 | valdyn | jasoncohen: did you read that file? |
| 18:10.21 | jasoncohen | yes |
| 18:10.44 | jasoncohen | i read it a few days ago and spent hours trying to figure out why things weren't working when i followed the directions |
| 18:10.45 | Boohbah | paulswm: actually, i am impressed by the new stable release ;) |
| 18:10.53 | paulswm | !prize Boohbah |
| 18:10.57 | paulswm | :D |
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| 18:11.47 | jasoncohen | valdyn, that doc seems to suggest that TLS is used by default with SMTP auth and you need to enable unencrypted transmission of logins manually so it should work |
| 18:12.35 | hikenboot | whois nvz |
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| 18:13.36 | darxeth | is there a way i can open powerpoint presentations in linux? :\ |
| 18:13.51 | rabies | darxeth: openoffice.org |
| 18:14.00 | nvz | darxeth: openoffice.org presenter |
| 18:14.02 | hikenboot | or crossover |
| 18:14.03 | darxeth | rabies it would open pps?? |
| 18:14.07 | rabies | darxeth: yes |
| 18:14.10 | rabies | ppt |
| 18:14.15 | darxeth | rabies oh cool, yeah ppt |
| 18:14.45 | darxeth | and word documents too, right? |
| 18:14.49 | rabies | yes |
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| 18:14.55 | darxeth | ok :> |
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| 18:15.13 | XTF | rabies: The maintainer is still active, but I see two year old bugs that even have no reply. |
| 18:15.18 | petemc | ooo impress |
| 18:15.38 | jasoncohen | valdyn, can you show me your exim4 configuration files? this isn't working for me. i have plain and plintext plain and plaintext login uncommented. those should both use TLS and i set passwd.clients to smtp.comcast.net:unsername:passwd but it's not working |
| 18:15.38 | radical_ | bun then again, what good does it do? you will burn in hell for using the ppt format anyway ;) |
| 18:16.00 | PeapTLS | Hi, I'm trying to get my ipw2200 to work with WPA Enterprise, and PEAP w/ MSCHAPv2. Can someone PLEASE help me I've been trying for days and reading for hours |
| 18:16.13 | jasoncohen | PeapTLS, you need to use wpasupplicant |
| 18:16.24 | PeapTLS | yep, have it |
| 18:16.30 | jasoncohen | PeapTLS, apt-get install wpasupplicant, then read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples |
| 18:16.30 | valdyn | jasoncohen: i can show you my exim4.conf.template |
| 18:16.37 | PeapTLS | did that :) |
| 18:16.38 | jasoncohen | read the wpa_supplicant.conf file in there |
| 18:16.41 | jasoncohen | valdyn, ok |
| 18:16.46 | PeapTLS | EAPOL too short, got 46 expected 99 |
| 18:16.56 | reamtS | How to check if my computer is on 'daylight saving'? |
| 18:17.08 | jasoncohen | PeapTLS, sorry, i'm using WPA-PSK |
| 18:18.07 | jasoncohen | valdyn, anyways, i have a feeling this isn't going to work- can i just have it do unauthenticated login on another por5? |
| 18:18.08 | jasoncohen | *port |
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| 18:18.25 | valdyn | jasoncohen: i wouldnt know how |
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| 18:19.30 | mugurelu | anibody knos a good debian forum? I failed to find one 'til now |
| 18:19.37 | mugurelu | only the mailing lists... |
| 18:19.52 | Tiberio | valdyn, Thanks a lot!.. |
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| 18:20.04 | elkid | i dont know if debian has forums |
| 18:20.14 | jasoncohen | valdyn, do you use TLS? |
| 18:20.20 | valdyn | jasoncohen: http://valdyn.mine.nu/update-exim4.conf.conf, http://valdyn.mine.nu/exim4.conf.template |
| 18:20.25 | valdyn | jasoncohen: yes, i have to |
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| 18:20.38 | greycat | Boo! |
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| 18:21.03 | ircdevil | sup |
| 18:21.08 | jvw | elkid: forums.debian.net? |
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| 18:22.05 | Eulex | bah, downloaded wrong kernel source two times -- this one should be the right |
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| 18:22.24 | jasoncohen | valdyn, hmm- do i need to use my public hostname...i was using jasonslaptop.localdomain |
| 18:22.34 | elkid | jvw: is it new? |
| 18:22.51 | valdyn | jasoncohen: that has nothing to do w/ sending mail. |
| 18:23.13 | jvw | elkid: relatively, yeah... about a year old or something? |
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| 18:23.24 | jasoncohen | so, in update-exim4.conf.conf - only the smarthost line matters? |
| 18:23.29 | elkid | didnt know about that |
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| 18:23.46 | elkid | mugurelu: check this forums.debian.net |
| 18:23.59 | valdyn | jasoncohen: all my isp does for sending is check the "From:", beyond the tls authentication. |
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| 18:24.35 | jasoncohen | valdyn, what's the readhost setting? |
| 18:24.54 | jasoncohen | i don't see it in man exim4 |
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| 18:25.19 | petemc | jasoncohen: i gave you your answer when you first asked, you seemed to ignore it |
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| 18:26.37 | jasoncohen | petemc, you mean, "you would do that in the transport your manualroute router uses"? |
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| 18:26.45 | petemc | jasoncohen: right |
| 18:26.45 | aficionado | Hi, is there any utility for converting html to pdf? |
| 18:26.58 | Eulex | qUiTeTe, watch out... I've seen bots that kick people who /nick too much... but I dunno if that applies to dpkg |
| 18:27.04 | jasoncohen | peterS, i'm not sure what that means |
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| 18:27.24 | peterS | oh, hello, petemc (: |
| 18:27.29 | petemc | hey peterS :) |
| 18:27.30 | paxon | Guys, please recomand a good recent Linux Book to read. |
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| 18:27.39 | greycat | Eulex: dpkg doesn't kick. debhelper might, but I don't think /nick will upset him. |
| 18:27.43 | petemc | jasoncohen: you made peterS computer beep! |
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| 18:28.10 | ircdevil | paxon: www.tldp.org |
| 18:28.14 | JohnFlux | paxon: The Speed Of Thought |
| 18:28.22 | jasoncohen | ah, woops |
| 18:28.25 | Eulex | greycat, ok |
| 18:28.28 | leonel | any news about sarge security ? |
| 18:28.31 | JohnFlux | paxon: business @ The Speed Of Thought rather |
| 18:28.42 | valdyn | jasoncohen: the visible mailname |
| 18:28.42 | petemc | jasoncohen: grep for remote_smtp_smarthost |
| 18:29.02 | paxon | Thanks. |
| 18:29.03 | valdyn | jasoncohen: man man update-exim4.conf |
| 18:29.40 | kilaker | how do i uninstall ATI drivers ? |
| 18:30.08 | smile | dpkg |
| 18:30.10 | valdyn | kilaker: if you used the drivers from www.ati.com, ask them |
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| 18:30.26 | greycat | kilaker: change the XF86Config-4 to use 'ati' or 'radeon' instead of 'fglrx', restart X if required, then remove the .deb package you built. |
| 18:30.45 | jasoncohen | petemc, ihave transport = remote_smtp_smarthost |
| 18:31.22 | petemc | jasoncohen: right, that is the little bit of the config that tells exim how to send mail to your smarthost, you now have to tell it to use port 587 |
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| 18:32.36 | petemc | jasoncohen: unfortunately, i dont use the debian config for exim4, so i cant tell you where it is - but when you find it, you'll use the "port = 587" option |
| 18:32.41 | mugurelu | elkid: thanx for the address |
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| 18:33.02 | elkid | yeah |
| 18:33.09 | irontooth | awesome |
| 18:33.33 | petemc | jasoncohen: and in the future, if you dont understand something, feel free to ask for clarification |
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| 18:34.49 | jasoncohen | petemc, there actually isn't a port = line in that file. is it set some other way or do i have to add the line? |
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| 18:35.32 | jasoncohen | all settings are either in exim4.conf.template, passwd.client or update-exim4.conf.conf i believe |
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| 18:35.48 | petemc | jasoncohen: there may well be a debian way to do it, but adding it should work |
| 18:36.14 | petemc | jasoncohen: you just need to make sure that whatever way you do it, the changes make it to the autogenerated file |
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| 18:37.35 | Eulex | hehe... it's fun to shut down computers remotely with ssh |
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| 18:37.46 | valdyn | jasoncohen: you changes are easier to find later if you set them in update-exim4.conf.conf and add the ( possibly made up ) macro in exim4.conf.template. |
| 18:38.05 | valdyn | jasoncohen: sure that can be achieve differently too. |
| 18:39.00 | Shift| | How would one detect, remotely, the difference between a switch, a router, and a computer? |
| 18:39.08 | jasoncohen | ok i added port = 587 and restarted exim4 |
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| 18:39.15 | petemc | Shift|: nmap -O |
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| 18:40.02 | jasoncohen | valdyn and petemc : i'm still getting these errors - 2005-06-17 14:39:16 1DjLkK-0002YK-PH == jcohen07@brandeis.edu R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
| 18:40.09 | asuffield | Shift|: routers are hosts, switches aren't. there is no difference between a router and a computer. |
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| 18:40.42 | jasoncohen | is there a way to get more verbose logging in /var/log/exim4/mainlog? |
| 18:41.04 | petemc | jasoncohen: exim4 -d -v -bt jcohen07@brandeis.edu |
| 18:41.11 | tcsetattr | and you can't remotely tell the difference between a hardware switch and a software bridge either. |
| 18:41.13 | valdyn | Shift|: router is a function of a device that _is_ a computer. |
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| 18:42.34 | initech | dipshit question: i just installed sarge. post install, it is loading gazillions of drivers for stuff I do not want nor have. none of this is in /etc/modules. where is this stuff loading from? the initrd? why does it stay there? |
| 18:42.42 | bobwJek | Can someone tell me how I can get X running, I did an apt-get install icewc on a debian box with nothing installed but base system...Thanks in advance |
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| 18:42.56 | conreyt | anyone got an in on slashdot? |
| 18:43.08 | initech | conreyt: huh? |
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| 18:43.13 | Eulex | !tell bobwJek about smart questions |
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| 18:43.22 | valdyn | initech: drivers dont get loaded unless they are in /etc/modules or you have the hardware. Example please. |
| 18:43.23 | greycat | bobwJek: install x-window-system-core |
| 18:43.24 | conreyt | initech: need some advice / help: http://www.conrey.org/alien/ |
| 18:43.42 | jasoncohen | petemc, what does that line do? it gave me a lot of of output on comcast's smtp servers |
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| 18:44.39 | ircdevil | what is the best mp3 organizer these days? |
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| 18:44.53 | initech | valdyn: oh damnit. i rebooted and they're gone ... made a liar out of me. but after the install there were drivers for just about every ide chipset in existence loaded |
| 18:44.56 | thomas22 | I need help troubleshooting apache2. Everything seems to be configured but the website doesnt show up - the browser times out |
| 18:44.58 | zinx | ircdevil: a trash can? |
| 18:45.05 | ircdevil | zinx: ? |
| 18:45.11 | nvz | gah this samba crap is making me nuts, I am going back to bed |
| 18:45.14 | bobbens | thomas22: you open up your ports? |
| 18:45.28 | bobbens | ircdevil: a good way to organize is ampache |
| 18:45.29 | thomas22 | bobbens: yes, port 80 that is |
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| 18:45.39 | petemc | jasoncohen: you take your time and read through it, it will tell you what the problem is, if there is one |
| 18:45.42 | bobbens | thomas22: can you open it from the LAN? |
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| 18:45.53 | zinx | ircdevil: throw them away :) |
| 18:45.54 | valdyn | initech: the proper driver has to be loaded before h/w detection tools can run, so its trying blindly, that driver should iirc be in /etc/modules now |
| 18:46.13 | ircdevil | !lart zinx for being a complite moron |
| 18:46.41 | thomas22 | bobbens: well mabye I should restate that, I have a dsl modem and I set the portforwarding for port 80 to the debian machine |
| 18:46.57 | ircdevil | bobbens: hmmm not packaged for sarge |
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| 18:47.08 | initech | valdyn: well, this was after the install, after the base-config. it doesn't matter |
| 18:47.09 | thomas22 | bobbens: I can bring up the default page from this box but this box is also running apache |
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| 18:47.22 | toresbe | ircdevil: hint: when insulting someone, please spell "complete" correctly |
| 18:47.29 | bobbens | ircdevil: its php, get it from www.ampache.org , its pretty cool |
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| 18:47.39 | ircdevil | toresbe: sorry - semi-drunk here :o) |
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| 18:48.21 | thomas22 | bobbens: so yes I can open it from the lan - but I havent tried opening it from another computer on the lan because this is the only one I have access to right now |
| 18:48.35 | ircdevil | bobbens: yeah i see it on the net now - i think ill fancy something not depending on a browser - and something that is able to identify doubles |
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| 18:48.47 | jasoncohen | petemc, i'm seeing a bunch of "cannot open mail log file" /var/log/exim4/mainlog: no such file or directory and can not open panic log - aborting in /var/log/mail.info? could that be a cause of my problems? |
| 18:48.51 | bobbens | thomas22: so that means its a server problem and not apache, because if you can open apache from the net it works fine |
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| 18:49.26 | bobbens | ircdevil: i think its pretty cool, it generates playlists that you play off a server, which in my case since my music is on my server with NFS it makes it alot easier |
| 18:49.40 | valdyn | jasoncohen: ls -l /etc/ | grep exim |
| 18:49.45 | mrplum | I tried to move my home directory from an old pc to my new pc both running stable sarge hoping it would just transfer over but I got a lot of .gconf errors and nothing loaded, now I moved back the old directory that was their before and I still have .gconf errors, how do I rebuild the gconf databaase? |
| 18:49.47 | thomas22 | bobbens: I dont know really - Im too new at this to diagnose the source of the trouble |
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| 18:49.58 | jasoncohen | valdyn, drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2005-06-17 14:45 exim4 |
| 18:50.01 | bobbens | thomas22: your ISP could be blocking port 80, try opening port 8080 or some other non-default and see if you can access apache from non-default ports |
| 18:50.15 | bobbens | thomas22: youll also have to configure apache again |
| 18:50.19 | jasoncohen | valdyn, /var/log/exim4/mainlog was root read-only |
| 18:50.50 | valdyn | jasoncohen: -rw-r----- 1 Debian-exim adm 99024 2005-06-17 20:41 mainlog |
| 18:50.52 | ircdevil | bobbens: yeah - i am reading on. does it assist you organize mp3s? i would hate to go over thousands of mp3s in order to group them in catagories - however, mp3s are a mess ... |
| 18:50.57 | bobbens | thomas22: if you can access it from your LAN it means apache is working :P, you just cant access it through your firewall protectiong and stuff |
| 18:51.18 | pmitros | I'm running Debian 3.0 (a.k.a. superstable). I'm contemplating upgrading to 3.1 (aka mostly-stable) at some point. I read about a 30% upgrade failure rate. I had a few questions: How bad is it? If it fails to upgrade, is it possible/easy to manually fix? Will it get better in a point release? Finally, how long will there be security updates for 3.0? |
| 18:51.26 | thomas22 | bobbens: I dont know how to 'open' a port, I only edited the portforwarding section on the modem I though perhaps that would open the port (or mabye not) |
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| 18:52.18 | jasoncohen | valdyn, ok, well i fixed the permission denied errors |
| 18:52.21 | valdyn | pmitros: a "point" release in sarge cant change much at all. |
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| 18:52.26 | bobbens | ircdevil: you can do category organizing / ablum / playlist and organize it from there. It also creates a mysql database and helps you organize them even though phisically theyre in a mess of folders. Its based on the tags, so you might have to spend a while fixing id3 tags, but once you get a hang of it, its awesome, especially if you have a big lan |
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| 18:52.28 | turing | hello |
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| 18:52.36 | turing | i've installed debian sarge |
| 18:52.46 | turing | it's good |
| 18:52.50 | kilaker | How do i Uninstall ATI drivers ? |
| 18:52.53 | thomas22 | bobbens: I'm skimming the option on the modem now |
| 18:53.00 | greycat | kilaker: you don't like me? |
| 18:53.13 | ircdevil | bobbens: i was hoping for a tool to do automagic mp3 mining ... |
| 18:53.13 | bobbens | thomas22: yeah opening ports depends on your router and ISP, if you open your ports for your router correctly with NAT or something else as an online guide for your modem says to and it still doesnt work use a non-default port because your isp might be blocking it |
| 18:53.20 | kilaker | greycat : i don't know :P do i ? :P |
| 18:53.24 | bobbens | ircdevil: you ask for too much :P |
| 18:53.31 | greycat | 14:30 valdyn> kilaker: if you used the drivers from www.ati.com, ask them |
| 18:53.41 | mrplum | I think the ipod program does that |
| 18:53.42 | mrplum | itunes |
| 18:53.45 | bobbens | ircdevil: there might be one using that website and shit, but i dont know of it, if you figure it out tell me |
| 18:53.47 | kilaker | yes but, how should i ask them ? |
| 18:53.48 | mrplum | get crossover office and run that |
| 18:53.48 | greycat | 14:30 greycat> kilaker: change the XF86Config-4 to use 'ati' or 'radeon' instead of 'fglrx', restart X if required, then remove the .deb package you built. |
| 18:53.56 | ircdevil | bobbens: when enuf people does - then someone smart sits down and writes the appropriate hacks ... |
| 18:54.01 | kilaker | oh great : |
| 18:54.02 | kilaker | :) |
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| 18:54.24 | elkid | is it ok to install gnome 2.10 in debian sarge? |
| 18:54.26 | kilaker | greycat : i've changed the x cfg but, how do i remova my .deb packages ? |
| 18:54.34 | elkid | i want the gnome 2.10! |
| 18:54.48 | greycat | there has GOT to be a better way to paste multi-line quotes from irssi back into irssi without highlighting just the *right* part of each line, *painfully*, one at a time... |
| 18:54.51 | bobbens | ircdevil: well get to it :P i want the program by tommorrow |
| 18:54.52 | valdyn | elkid: tbh, i see no significant improvement in 2.10 |
| 18:55.02 | jasoncohen | petemc, i looked through the output from exim4 -d -v -bt jcohen07@brandeis.edu and don't see any errors. in fact the errors lines show NULL |
| 18:55.03 | valdyn | elkid: so, any reason why? |
| 18:55.10 | greycat | kilaker: man dpkg |
| 18:55.12 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.16 | elkid | valdyn: it apears to be faster |
| 18:55.17 | initech | elkid: from where? it depends. no way to know except to do it. I try to avoind backports myself ... |
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| 18:55.46 | toresbe | Is there an app that establishes a *direct* connection between a PTY and a device, in this case a serial port? |
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| 18:56.10 | ircdevil | bobbens: well, first step would be to locate and organize the mp3s with a sane id3 tag ... and check for doublets using perhaps md5sums ? |
| 18:56.13 | caphuso | greycat: use screen |
| 18:56.24 | asg | greycat: paste the lot into some filter (that does the right thing) and pipe that into xclip |
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| 18:56.35 | toresbe | greycat: If you find it, PLEASE tell me. |
| 18:56.52 | toresbe | greycat: Though I suspect the only way to do it would be to add mouse support to irssi |
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| 18:57.04 | toresbe | greycat: Which would sort of bring along some interesting things |
| 18:57.06 | bobbens | ircdevil: but what about broken id3 tags / wrong id3 tags / homebrewn id3 tags / no id3 tags. YOu need some sort of database to look them up, theres like one online, but its complicated, you just search freshmeat / sourceforge and tell me what you find :P |
| 18:57.14 | elkid | initech: from debian sid i think its allready gnome 2.10 |
| 18:57.22 | toresbe | greycat: like, not having to type /win for windows over 20, or bind, but just click on the window |
| 18:57.28 | lamp__ | btw why irssi can't be installed on sarge |
| 18:57.34 | initech | elkid: well, grab shit from sid at your peril |
| 18:57.38 | toresbe | elkid: I'm using GNOME 2.10 in Sid |
| 18:57.39 | greycat | toresbe: I just type e.g. "/j #bash" |
| 18:57.40 | valdyn | lamp__: apt-cache search irssi |
| 18:58.05 | elkid | toresbe: is it needled update gcc or ..? |
| 18:58.14 | toresbe | elkid: nah, not really |
| 18:58.27 | kilaker | greycat : so if i go ; dpkg -r -P [packagename] it would uninstall ? |
| 18:58.36 | ircdevil | bobbens: wrong id3 tags is a problem - are there many of those? |
| 18:58.36 | toresbe | greycat: [20:58] [toresbe(+eiw)] [4:#debian(+JLPcflnt 860)] [Act: 3,5,6,7,8,11,12,14,15,16,17,19,26,27,28,29,30,32,33,34,35,36,38] |
| 18:58.56 | toresbe | greycat: would be nice to just be able to click on 'em |
| 18:58.56 | elkid | toresbe: but does it broke the system or i ll just apt-get intall sid/gnome-core? |
| 18:59.04 | kerneld | lamp__: -text |
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| 18:59.12 | toresbe | elkid: I don't know |
| 18:59.12 | bobbens | ircdevil: sometimes with downloaded songs that someone tried to give them id3 tags and screwed up, like genre and shit |
| 18:59.31 | thomas22 | bobbens: how can I test my modem externally to see if port 80 is open? |
| 18:59.53 | ggb | Just updated from woody to sarge. Thought that at last I'd be able to get X to work with my matrox card. No such luck. Installed all the stuff from matrox's web sight. Installed all the packages from Debian that had anything to do with mga, except that mga-vid-common tells me that it recomends mga-vid-module, but cannot find it. Any ideas what I might be looking for? |
| 18:59.55 | bobbens | thomas22: nmap, or websites that probe you |
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| 19:00.02 | Thumann | hi ppl |
| 19:00.08 | lamp__ | valdyn, apt-get install irssi doesn't work on sarge :( |
| 19:00.09 | elkid | toresbe: u have all ur system in sid or just gnome |
| 19:00.10 | Thumann | anyone in here using a newer IBM laptop? |
| 19:00.18 | caphuso | lamp__: don't invent package names |
| 19:00.29 | toresbe | elkid: I have an entire Sid system |
| 19:00.31 | bobbens | ggb: you probably just have to configure XFree86 properly |
| 19:00.38 | ircdevil | bobbens: hmmm if 1 mp3 out of a 100 is wrong - like when some tecno shit starts in the middle of the "barry white" session you have with a chick you picked up - then i guess either very funny or very no funny :o) |
| 19:00.40 | toresbe | elkid: But, then again, I'm a criminally insane retard, so... : |
| 19:00.41 | shingouz | elkid: i do not think you really want to start messing with Sid |
| 19:00.42 | toresbe | :)* |
| 19:01.13 | elkid | shingouz: ehheh neither do i |
| 19:01.32 | elkid | i just installed debian sarge yesterday |
| 19:01.39 | elkid | not i have installed the Xs |
| 19:01.40 | thomas22 | bobbens: nmaps reports port 80 is open |
| 19:01.43 | elkid | now! |
| 19:01.47 | ircdevil | greycat: are you still using that homebrewed mp3 commander you mentioned year ago? |
| 19:01.58 | Zrin | i have a server with just console access, network access and remote reset. currently there is one small partition with a "rescue system" and one large partition with suse 9.0 - can i somehow use the installer to install sarge? |
| 19:01.58 | elkid | and the gnome of course |
| 19:02.02 | shingouz | elkid: maybe you should just sit with the ancient gnome you have there at the moment, not that much of a difference |
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| 19:02.29 | greycat | ircdevil: yes. not "homebrewed" so much as "I found it on freshmeat, changed it to not restrict files to *.mp3, and use that" |
| 19:02.30 | shingouz | elkid: how much cpu and ram do you have there? |
| 19:02.38 | elkid | shingouz: i think thats the safer for me for now |
| 19:02.54 | elkid | shingouz: amd 2500 xp and 390 ram ddr |
| 19:03.13 | simonp | hi all. anyone can recommand a 4 channel promise sata card |
| 19:03.14 | elkid | shingouz: why? |
| 19:03.26 | initech | simonp: 3ware |
| 19:03.29 | shingouz | elkid: the system is capable of running gnome that is for sure but if you like to keep the system actually running, do not mess with Sid |
| 19:03.29 | greycat | |
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| 19:03.48 | ircdevil | greycat: but the development was discontinued - or ? |
| 19:03.52 | veronica | anyone familiar with the mdstat? |
| 19:03.54 | greycat | ircdevil: far as I know, yes |
| 19:03.57 | shingouz | elkid: you jsut mentioned that the 2.10 appears a bit faster and i thought you had a slow computer there, that is all |
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| 19:04.27 | initech | veronica: as in cat /proc/mdstat ? :) |
| 19:04.29 | simonp | initech, any model in particular? i want to attach 4 drives to it |
| 19:04.30 | elkid | shingouz: oh no, i just tried it b4 |
| 19:04.30 | thomas22 | bobbens: I guess I better move onto #apachhe unless you have any other advice? |
| 19:04.31 | conreyt | join #slashdot |
| 19:04.41 | bobbens | thomas22: does you try it from the internet? |
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| 19:04.44 | veronica | it says I have: 2/1 for the raid personalities |
| 19:04.51 | bobbens | thomas22: and is your modem hooked up via PPoA or PPoE? |
| 19:04.56 | veronica | initech:ya |
| 19:05.04 | ircdevil | greycat: im quite impressed i actually remembers what you said (it predates my logs) |
| 19:05.11 | thomas22 | bobbens: I try but it just spins its wheels and the webbrowser times out |
| 19:05.20 | shingouz | elkid: i have seen people trying gnome on slow p1 boxen. not really doable. a fast p1 might be able to do it but a slow one.. no way |
| 19:05.31 | veronica | initech: do i need a raidtab file? |
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| 19:05.36 | initech | simonp: sorry no, but if you want raid, I would get a 3ware. otherwise, i guess anythng will do, just use linux's software raid with anything other than 3ware |
| 19:05.37 | thomas22 | bobbens: PPoE but I should double check 2 be sure |
| 19:05.39 | greycat | ircdevil: http://wooledge.org/~greg/mp3commander |
| 19:05.49 | bobbens | thomas22: i think you just have to configure your modem properly to forward the ports via NAT to your server (port 80) and it should work |
| 19:05.53 | elkid | shingouz: cant imagine a p1 running gnome :) |
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| 19:06.25 | shingouz | elkid: a fast one might be able to do it with some pain. a p1-75... not a lot of hope there |
| 19:06.35 | thomas22 | bobbens: its PPoA |
| 19:06.44 | simonp | initech, thanks |
| 19:06.53 | bobbens | thomas22: try setting DMZ and trying it |
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| 19:07.51 | ircdevil | greycat: hmmm actually looks like a neat peace of perl code - i like the style - lemmy install the gtk modules |
| 19:07.52 | thomas22 | bobbens: the port 80 is forwarded to my box, how do I set DMZ? I havent done that before |
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| 19:08.43 | bobbens | thomas22: its just an option, you should be able to find it in your router's configuration. I'm sure the problem you have is with your modem and/or isp, so you just have to play around with it |
| 19:09.04 | bobbens | thomas22: you might want to update your firmware, my NAT forwarding didnt work until i updated my firmware, then it all worked fine |
| 19:10.08 | valdyn | thomas22: not enough that routers have different user interfaces, they do have different terminology for identical things also, you'd best find someone who knows your router specifically to get help configuring it. |
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| 19:10.28 | thomas22 | bobbens: what should I put for DMZ host adress? |
| 19:10.41 | bobbens | thomas22: your server's internal ip address |
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| 19:13.23 | jasoncohen | valdyn and petemc : i tried the port = 587 option and update-exim4.conf failed complaining that it did not understand the port option. I then read through the man page looking for instances of port. the only instances i found showed how to specify a listening port for a server using 192.168.0.1.587 for example or [192.168.0.1]:587 but nothing about a smarthost port |
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| 19:14.49 | jasoncohen | though i found this in man update-exim4.conf - " All deliveries go out to TCP port 25. Specifying different ports is not (yet) possible due to name of the default transport for local mail delivery. " |
| 19:14.54 | jasoncohen | it looks like it's not even possible |
| 19:15.13 | opqdonut | you might want to try another mta |
| 19:15.16 | jasoncohen | so i have to use TLS but it doesn't work |
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| 19:16.06 | blacktooth | replay? |
| 19:16.08 | jasoncohen | opqdonut, do you have anything in mind? something simple and easy to use hopefully...i just want to be able to route my cron-apt reports to my isp's SMTP server using port 587 or TLS auth if possible |
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| 19:17.02 | veronica | initech: do i need a raidtab file? |
| 19:17.19 | ircdevil | greycat: do you still use this mp3 commander? |
| 19:17.55 | greycat | ircdevil: yes |
| 19:18.02 | opqdonut | jasoncohen: well, there are "mta's" that only forward to an external smarthost and do nothing else |
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| 19:18.05 | greycat | ircdevil: my needs are not exotic or complex |
| 19:18.12 | hungover | Can anyone help me with setting up debian? I'm having some hardware issues. Ive tried to reconfigure xwindows but the display wont go to 1024x768. I've read faqs and see a driver at linmodems but none of the guides are basic enough to be accessible. |
| 19:18.42 | greycat | hungover: you forgot the essential basics. |
| 19:18.47 | zeus | Hi, i have a problem installing debian 3.1r0a - It hangs during booting the kernel - when loading without acpi it hangs during: "settiing up filesystem please wait" and with acpi "Freeing unused kernel memory: 96k freed" |
| 19:19.06 | opqdonut | zeus: try booting with noacpi option? |
| 19:19.09 | mono | how do i find out what addresses are on the wifi lan that i am on? |
| 19:19.13 | mono | the guy who setup the wifi at this location is assigning clients with public addresses which are really local |
| 19:19.14 | zeus | First i thought it was the SCSI 29160 card but i removed it and used a IDE disk, but same error. |
| 19:19.15 | mono | which is really odd |
| 19:19.17 | greycat | ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS state the details required to diagnose your problem. Version of Debian, version of X, version of Linux, model of relevant hardware, etc. |
| 19:19.29 | hungover | Debian woody TP600E |
| 19:19.30 | zeus | opqdonut: yea, then i get one of those errors aswell |
| 19:19.38 | opqdonut | zeus: dunno then |
| 19:19.41 | ircdevil | greycat: simple is good - but i sometimes pick up a stack of mp3s from friends and i seem to keep getting my own mp3 back ... doublet! |
| 19:19.50 | kerneld | greycat: Don't forget model of desk chair. Thats very important too |
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| 19:20.04 | Shay | hungover, you can also check out #ibmthinkpad |
| 19:20.07 | zeus | opqdonut: possible that the cdr reader is broken? |
| 19:20.10 | hungover | sarge is another dist? do you know where i can find some basic info? |
| 19:20.11 | elkid | eh |
| 19:20.14 | greycat | !sarge |
| 19:20.14 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current stable releases code name, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me install debian, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 19:20.19 | greycat | argh. |
| 19:20.23 | hungover | ive read the guides on how to use bash..but theres stuff im just not getting. |
| 19:20.28 | greycat | dpkg, sarge =~ s/Ten/<reply> Ten/ |
| 19:20.31 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 19:20.33 | opqdonut | haich: like? |
| 19:20.44 | opqdonut | haich: sry, wrong nick |
| 19:20.50 | opqdonut | hungover: like what? |
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| 19:21.04 | hungover | huh? like all these faqs and things are talking about installing packages |
| 19:21.23 | greycat | dpkg, sarge =~ s/current stable releases code name, version 3.1,/code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1,/ |
| 19:21.23 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 19:21.24 | ircdevil | eek |
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| 19:21.30 | Shay | hungover, #ibmthinkpad 's topic will really help you out |
| 19:21.31 | hungover | and they say compile the kernel.. ive used google to search for linux on a tp600E.. but most arent written for someone who doesnt know anything |
| 19:21.35 | hungover | k |
| 19:21.38 | opqdonut | jasoncohen: nbsmtp is the name of one of those proto-mta's |
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| 19:21.46 | greycat | god, who the fuck butchered the English all to hell and back in this poor little factoid? |
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| 19:22.13 | hungover | thanks greycat |
| 19:22.23 | greycat | dpkg, sarge =~ s/Ask me install debian/Ask me about <install debian>/ |
| 19:22.23 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 19:22.37 | masoft | I want to install gvidcap, but it say that need libavcodec1 that I don't have in Sarge. what can I do ? |
| 19:23.26 | thomas22 | bobbens: I set the DMZ, Im using an actiontec modem. I had an idea though - the dhcp server is on, I wonder if its trying to assign a different adress to my box and I dont know about it? |
| 19:23.29 | valdyn | jasoncohen: telnet <remotehost> 25 |
| 19:24.03 | greycat | !info gvidcap sarge |
| 19:24.13 | greycat | 15:24 =dpkg> Package 'gvidcap' does not exist. |
| 19:24.13 | bobbens | thomas22: generally when setting up a server its a better idea to us static ip, so you can control it all. I have from ip *.*.*.2-100 static and rest dhcp. |
| 19:24.18 | thomas22 | bobbens: how do I get a list of ip adresses on my LAN? |
| 19:24.20 | greycat | Therein lies the root of your dilemma. |
| 19:24.39 | bobbens | thomas22: your modem should have a list of them, otherwise you can test them |
| 19:24.48 | masoft | I got the gvidcap .deb files from its site |
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| 19:25.26 | jasoncohen | valdyn, doesn't work but telnet remotehost 587 works fine |
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| 19:26.00 | greycat | masoft: /msg dpkg marillar |
| 19:26.02 | greycat | masoft: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 19:26.17 | jasoncohen | valdyn, i used your exact exim4.conf.template file...no change |
| 19:26.32 | jasoncohen | i don't think it's even attempting to use TLS |
| 19:26.49 | jasoncohen | 2005-06-17 15:26:20 1DjMNm-0003Ha-Nw smtp.comcast.net [204.127.198.27]: Connection timed out - which means it's connecting on port 25 |
| 19:27.02 | ircdevil | greycat: what exactly do you use mp3 commander for that xmms cant do? |
| 19:27.13 | thomas22 | bobbens: my modem doesnt list them - I can ping to 192.168.0.2 but how do I know which box I am reaching (the apache server or another) I dont see any identifying name |
| 19:27.14 | greycat | ircdevil: I can type in a song and hit enter and it plays it. |
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| 19:27.30 | Draconicus | Hiya. |
| 19:27.31 | greycat | ircdevil: (or type in an artist name and it queues up all the songs that match, etc.) |
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| 19:28.08 | heyciao | got a nice question: I upgrade my gnome2.8 to gnome2.10: I read about mail-applet disappeared:ok, i will wait some other thing. But now, also as root, I cannot let the new modem applet work. preferences are disabled. And what happened to menus? all right-click options I had are disappeared. And then: I'm using debian unstable and in the debian menus the items are all duplicated. Any suggestions? |
| 19:28.15 | heyciao | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.22 | Draconicus | sda isn't listed in /dev, but should be. It's possible that the module responsible for identifying it isn't loaded. I need sda1/sda to access my mp3 player. Any ideas? |
| 19:28.34 | ircdevil | greycat: aint that the same as pressing j in xmms? |
| 19:28.41 | thomas22 | bobbens: my ifconfig report that my ip is 192.168.0.2 but mabye another computer is sharing the same adress? |
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| 19:29.10 | Pingu12- | woody : mysql 4.0.24 : Can't create a new thread (errno 11). If you are not out of available memory, you can consult the manual for a possible OS-dependent bug) - hundrets of errors from different servers to the database server - any ideas ? ( 0 % swap used ) |
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| 19:29.23 | jazzmans | slightly ot, but xmms has a problem playing any more then 5600 tracks, I dunno why, it didn't used to. So my 20k + tracks I have to use another player to listen to them all. |
| 19:29.23 | greycat | ircdevil: hmm. maybe. |
| 19:29.31 | elkid | java info (about:readme-debian) in mozilla ll be find |
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| 19:29.44 | zinx | jazzmans: the most common cause is third party plugins, especially the MAD input plugin |
| 19:30.20 | Tak | . |
| 19:30.24 | jazzmans | zinx, can you give me any more information, or links? I've had no luck resolving this problem so far. (and it only started about a month ago) |
| 19:30.25 | ircdevil | greycat: but you use mp3 commander with some commandline player? it would be a bit of an overkill to have two gui tools for the same task, not? |
| 19:30.31 | Draconicus | 'lo? :| |
| 19:30.36 | zinx | jazzmans: there isn't any more information |
| 19:30.39 | ubuh-huntuh | Is there anything in Linux that is similar to ufsdump in Solaris? I'm looking for something that can do restore of root partition over the network (like ufsdump). |
| 19:30.46 | zinx | jazzmans: remove third-party plugins :/ |
| 19:31.40 | jazzmans | zinx, I don't have the MAD plug in. |
| 19:31.44 | thomas22 | bobbens: I did find an ip list .2 is me and .5 is the other one, there goes that theory... |
| 19:32.05 | greycat | ircdevil: I have xmms, mp3 commander, and a couple terminals down in the workspace below my main one, so they don't intrude |
| 19:32.28 | greycat | ircdevil: I make no claims of fitness for any purpose, blah blah |
| 19:32.36 | valdyn | jasoncohen: is your isp blocking outbound traffic to port 25? |
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| 19:33.16 | airox | Hi |
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| 19:33.48 | airox | I shared a printer with the printing wizard of KDE. I then wanted to print a test page to the printer that is shared by a windows machine. But the logs tell me this: E [17/Jun/2005:21:29:56 +0200] [Job 7] Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 19:33.54 | airox | What could be the problem guys ? |
| 19:33.55 | ircdevil | greycat: ok - i feel compelled to write something myself. now i have been looking for a simple but tough organizer for some time(!) and i dont really like what is "out" there. |
| 19:34.07 | airox | I can print perfectly from windows. |
| 19:34.47 | airox | I'm using CUPS btw. |
| 19:35.11 | initech | airox: windows machine is not allowing you to print. recheck your samba and windows authentication settings |
| 19:35.27 | ircdevil | hmmm this requires research |
| 19:35.28 | airox | Ok. |
| 19:35.57 | jasoncohen | valdyn, possibly |
| 19:36.28 | Zrin | i have a server with just console access, network access and remote reset. currently there is one small partition with a "rescue system" and one large partition with suse 9.0 - can i somehow use the installer to install sarge? |
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| 19:37.17 | jdhutchin1 | Zrin, yes |
| 19:37.33 | shingouz | how the hell can i make links2 grok that when i hit google i really want www.google.com and not the www.google.fi i am always redirected to? very painful not to have the ui as i would like it and hitting the google prefs does not seem to help. grrr.... |
| 19:37.34 | bobbens | thomas22: well keep trying, if you can access apache from the lan its working, it just cant get out of your lan. just try different ways though i'd recommend updating your firmware and using NAT |
| 19:37.35 | Zrin | jdhutchin1: some hints, link? |
| 19:37.36 | jasoncohen | does anyone know how to use postfix for SMTP TLS auth? i set the smarthost to smtp.comcast.net:587 and at least it connects but now it says that authentication is required |
| 19:37.49 | bobbens | shingouz: try www.google.com/ncr |
| 19:37.49 | jdhutchin1 | Zrin, http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 19:37.55 | __dan__ | Anybody know what language the server side code in Yahoo is written in? |
| 19:37.59 | Zrin | jdhutchin1: thx |
| 19:38.04 | shingouz | bobbens: same problem. www.google.fi |
| 19:38.16 | valdyn | jasoncohen: you should set your port as ( petemc? ) said, that's what i read here anyway. |
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| 19:39.40 | jasoncohen | valdyn, in postfix i was able to set the port to 587 and i connected but now it wants me to authenticate |
| 19:39.43 | bobbens | shingouz: wierd, that + fixing prefs lets me access google.com from spain when it normally redirects to google.es |
| 19:39.50 | heyciao | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.26 | valdyn | jasoncohen: well, set it to 587 in exim4.. |
| 19:40.57 | jasoncohen | valdyn, it doesnt' work in exim4. man update-exim4.conf says you can't set the port to anything other than 25 for non-tls for some reason |
| 19:41.06 | shingouz | bobbens: what did you do to the prefs? |
| 19:41.12 | greycat | do you think that maybe if we told all the debian gnome users to ask #debian-gnome, they'd spontaneously create a working, thriving channel? |
| 19:41.25 | bobbens | shingouz: dont remember, lemme check |
| 19:41.36 | valdyn | jasoncohen: who sais its not tls? |
| 19:41.40 | asuffield | greycat: no, I think that if you add idiots to idiots then you get a big pile of drool |
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| 19:41.46 | bobbens | shingouz: interface language = english |
| 19:41.58 | valdyn | jasoncohen: telnet <remotehost> 25, type EHLO <domain> |
| 19:41.58 | initech | greycat: there's a debian-kde ... |
| 19:42.10 | greycat | initech: yes, well known... |
| 19:42.11 | asuffield | greycat: but they might be drooling someplace other than here |
| 19:42.15 | shingouz | bobbens: i think i have 'system' here. which happens to be en-us. lemmesee |
| 19:42.23 | valdyn | jasoncohen: ops: telnet <remotehost> 587, type EHLO <domain> |
| 19:42.25 | greycat | asuffield: that was one of my hopes. |
| 19:42.38 | heyciao | ma andate a fare inculo grandissime teste di cazzo. |
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| 19:42.42 | greycat | !it |
| 19:42.42 | dpkg | hmm... italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:43.00 | shingouz | bobbens: nope, english here too |
| 19:43.09 | bobbens | shingouz: wierd |
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| 19:43.18 | TR0N1C | hello |
| 19:43.22 | TR0N1C | I had my laptop on one network, put it on standby, and woke it up on another network. How do I get a new ip address from the DHCP server? |
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| 19:43.55 | asuffield | TR0N1C: restart the dhcp client. and stop confusing digits with letters |
| 19:44.16 | shingouz | bobbens: for some reason *now* it lets me access the google english site. the only thing that remains is to make the search results not filtered and have 100 hits per page |
| 19:44.52 | bobbens | shingouz: i have results not filtered + 100 hits per page + english interface + using www.google.com/ncr |
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| 19:45.24 | shingouz | bobbens: lemme check what happens, i will try telling the damn thing what i like |
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| 19:45.50 | HansZ | Er.. how to mount my usb-storage? |
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| 19:46.12 | shingouz | bobbens: still ten per page and the suckers are filtered too. grrr.... |
| 19:46.17 | bobbens | HansZ: generally its mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/temp (temp must exist) |
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| 19:46.30 | bobbens | shingouz: maybe you are blocking cookies? |
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| 19:46.39 | siimo | hi anyone running sid's gnome? |
| 19:46.39 | jasoncohen | AHHH!!! |
| 19:46.40 | jasoncohen | it worked |
| 19:46.51 | jasoncohen | .edu>, relay=mail.brandeis.edu[129.64.99.170], delay=0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 j5HJkLsp026516 Message accepted for delivery) |
| 19:46.54 | zinx | siimo: i am, apparently |
| 19:46.55 | jasoncohen | it's about time! |
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| 19:47.16 | siimo | zinx, are nautilus file manager fonts too small if you use 75$ zoom |
| 19:47.18 | shingouz | bobbens: i should not be blocking them but i have not found out how to force them on |
| 19:47.31 | jasoncohen | valdyn, i had to set smtp_use_tls = no and relayhost= mail.brandeis.edu:587 |
| 19:47.40 | thomas22 | I need a reccomendation for a PHP book and MYsql, [for beginners] I'm trying to setup a website that takes in, stores, and spits out various user accounts (name passwrds and personal info) |
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| 19:47.42 | jasoncohen | now to try with authentication for the hell of it, heh |
| 19:47.45 | TR0N1C | asuffield: I don't see anything like dhcp client in /etc/init.d/ ... :-/ |
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| 19:48.11 | bobbens | thomas22: try searching the net, i learned that pretty fast just by searching and using examples |
| 19:48.14 | TR0N1C | asuffield: ...So how would I restart the dhcp client? |
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| 19:48.29 | zinx | siimo: i don't use nautilus |
| 19:48.41 | initech | TR0N1C: stop the interface and then bring it up |
| 19:48.50 | siimo | zinx, if you have it installed can you check. |
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| 19:48.53 | hband | hi, please check this band: www.gabor13.com do you like it? |
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| 19:48.57 | TR0N1C | initech: I tried that, but it didn't get an ip. |
| 19:49.18 | praha1 | TR0N1C: installed pump ? |
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| 19:49.28 | TR0N1C | The link light is on on my network card... |
| 19:49.31 | praha1 | or another dhcp client ? |
| 19:49.31 | zinx | siimo: i don't install things i don't use :) |
| 19:49.32 | valdyn | jasoncohen: that's fucked up, that you specify the port like that there.. |
| 19:49.42 | TR0N1C | praha1: what's pump? |
| 19:49.48 | praha1 | a dhcp client |
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| 19:50.13 | jasoncohen | valdyn, why is that fucked up? it makes it easy. once i turned off tls it worked fine |
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| 19:50.29 | TR0N1C | praha1: Should I reboot and install it. |
| 19:50.30 | TR0N1C | ? |
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| 19:50.49 | valdyn | jasoncohen: :<portno , or port = <portno> |
| 19:50.56 | thomas22 | Is there a website that offers free webhosting that could handle PHP/MYsql? |
| 19:51.03 | praha1 | TR0N1C: if anyone told you you need to reboot for another thing that upgrading your kernel ... he lied |
| 19:51.19 | rok | anybody worked with suspend2? |
| 19:51.22 | zhenre | what is the equivalent of the autoexec.bat? I want to run a little script that updates my DNS info on startup...what is the appropriate place to call that script from |
| 19:51.24 | jasoncohen | valdyn, i still have no clue how to setup TLS auth on postfix - oh well, heh |
| 19:51.29 | jasoncohen | all the howtos are for serverside |
| 19:51.29 | TR0N1C | Yeah, I know. ;-) |
| 19:51.48 | TR0N1C | praha1: So, how would I get an ip? |
| 19:52.07 | TR0N1C | praha1: any other dhcp client programs I may have installed? |
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| 19:52.21 | praha1 | TR0N1C: if you don't want to find out what to do , you can start the scripts in /etc/rcS.d to repreoduce what s done at boot |
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| 19:53.04 | TR0N1C | praha1: Ha ha! I tried pump. I had it installed already. It worked fine. Thanks a lot! |
| 19:53.08 | praha1 | i hope someone knows cause i haven't had the time to play with dhcp yet (though that would ease my net managment ...) |
| 19:53.29 | thomas22 | TR0N1C: did you try 'pump' from the root account? |
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| 19:54.15 | praha1 | TR0N1C: did you have to do advanced thing to setup the dhcp server ? i would like to use it but do not have the time to learn it yet (well i could live with a stolen config for a while even if half broken) |
| 19:54.28 | valdyn | jasoncohen: not much to set up there, since the server will send a "STARTTLS", postfix will try to log in via tls, i guess ( never used postfix ) |
| 19:55.10 | nvz | this samba crap is driving me nuts :P I can only get guest access if I use share level, if I try using user access I cant get in at all |
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| 19:55.54 | jasoncohen | valdyn, but i would have to specify the username/passwd...where do i do that? |
| 19:56.00 | nvz | the shitty thing is it just denies me on the windows box and doesnt log anything in /var/log/samba/ |
| 19:56.07 | valdyn | jasoncohen: yea, no idea for postfix.. |
| 19:56.14 | nvz | giving me any hints as to what the hell I am doing wrong |
| 19:56.16 | jasoncohen | perhaps comcast blocked port 25 for me |
| 19:56.19 | jasoncohen | i have to call the, |
| 19:56.21 | jasoncohen | *them |
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| 19:56.59 | Boohbah | jasoncohen: no, they didn't |
| 19:57.41 | jasoncohen | Boohbah, how do you know? |
| 19:57.54 | Boohbah | becuase i have comcast |
| 19:57.57 | jasoncohen | i was able to connect to mail.brandeis.edu on port 25 until a few days ago |
| 19:58.08 | snoke | how i can see files in some package before install it ? |
| 19:58.10 | jasoncohen | Boohbah, i said "my access"..not all users |
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| 19:58.19 | valdyn | jasoncohen: telnet valdyn.mine.nu 25 |
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| 19:58.33 | thomas22 | can someone reccomend a decent pay webhosting provider that supports MYsql? |
| 19:58.35 | valdyn | jasoncohen: and you'd know ) |
| 19:58.37 | jasoncohen | valdyn, can't conenct |
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| 19:58.39 | jasoncohen | *connect |
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| 19:58.46 | jasoncohen | jasonslaptop:/etc/postfix# telnet valdyn.mine.nu 25 |
| 19:58.46 | jasoncohen | Trying 84.153.34.101... |
| 19:59.05 | jasoncohen | that must be it...bastards |
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| 19:59.19 | shingouz | jasoncohen: my isp does the same... |
| 19:59.32 | valdyn | jasoncohen: that ip is right yea |
| 19:59.55 | nvz | oh for fucks sake I figured it out I think |
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| 20:00.34 | jasoncohen | shingouz, but it's just me |
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| 20:00.36 | jasoncohen | not other comcast users |
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| 20:00.59 | praha1 | nvz: smbpasswd ? you can give a shot at http://prahal.darktech.org/~prahal/know/bk2site/ look for samba (this site will be down soon) |
| 20:01.06 | shingouz | jasoncohen: maybe they think you have been a bad boy and have spammed |
| 20:01.14 | gtlarue | how do I tell if nvidia module is installed on my system |
| 20:01.25 | zhenre | anyone know where I should put a script to have it run at bootup? |
| 20:02.54 | praha1 | gtlarue: modinfo nvidia ? |
| 20:03.24 | gtlarue | what should that command give me if it is installed properly |
| 20:03.33 | praha1 | though it won't tell if it is installed and broken , only if it is installed as it should |
| 20:03.35 | gtlarue | I am getting a list og items |
| 20:03.56 | praha1 | it should show you the copyright , the available advanced parameters |
| 20:04.09 | shingouz | gtlarue: lsmod | grep nvidia <-- that should do it |
| 20:04.42 | gtlarue | nvidia 3922620 0 |
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| 20:04.48 | gtlarue | thats what is gives me |
| 20:04.50 | praha1 | shingouz: it only tell if it is loaded (which is not done automatically ... i don't think latest release fixed the laod at X start issue) |
| 20:05.02 | gtlarue | I used module assistant to install it and I just wasnt sure if it worked right |
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| 20:05.25 | praha1 | gtlarue: you may like nvidia-settings package |
| 20:05.31 | gtlarue | but from what I can see from those commands it appears to be installed |
| 20:05.48 | rikva | Hi, I use apache on my server, and the few users use the ~/public_html to put their stuff in to access it from the web. In order to make the work, ~ must be readable for all users, so all users can check the homedirs. As a temporary solution, i've created a directory in every homedir that's only readable for the owning user. That is not very practical, so how do I work around this problem? |
| 20:05.52 | gtlarue | can I get it from apt? |
| 20:05.54 | valdyn | gtlarue: what is the problem then? |
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| 20:06.11 | gtlarue | I just needed to know how to confirm that it was installed |
| 20:06.15 | gtlarue | thanks |
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| 20:07.42 | praha1 | rikva: i don't understand , the user don't need access to other user ~/public_html ... |
| 20:07.42 | praha1 | only apache does |
| 20:07.52 | praha1 | gtlarue: yes |
| 20:08.09 | rikva | praha1: If i change the permissions of the ~ to only readable and writable to the owning user, i can't access the files in public_html from the web. |
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| 20:08.42 | sh4dowcat | is there a way to see what a package recommends? |
| 20:08.43 | tcsetattr | rikva, apache does not need read permission on ~ it only needs x permission. |
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| 20:09.16 | rikva | tcsetattr: by x you mean execute? |
| 20:09.17 | gtlarue | ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display. |
| 20:09.26 | gtlarue | that shows up whenever I run nvidia-settings |
| 20:09.26 | praha1 | dude ... freenx support filesharing through samba and sound via artsd/esd ... why the hell is it not the default on every debian pc :) |
| 20:09.36 | valdyn | gtlarue: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, pick nvidia |
| 20:09.44 | praha1 | rikva: well not you , apache |
| 20:09.46 | gtlarue | ok |
| 20:09.53 | nvz | praha1: I seem to have figured it out. I didnt know I had to physically share all the dirs for this shit to work.. I thought I could share the parent dir then restrict access to the others.. |
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| 20:11.09 | praha1 | apache runs as www-data user . You need to let this user "access" all ~/public_html .... though you could have ~ 711 and ~/public_html 755 |
| 20:11.32 | rikva | praha1: thx |
| 20:11.59 | Draconicus | sda isn't listed in /dev, but should be. It's possible that the module responsible for identifying it isn't loaded. I need sda1/sda to access my mp3 player. Any ideas? |
| 20:11.59 | TR0N1C | praha1: What's the name of the ftp server that's most commonly found on debian? |
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| 20:12.11 | gtlarue | alrighty, gonna log in again and see if nvidia works |
| 20:12.17 | valdyn | Draconicus: via usb? |
| 20:12.19 | gtlarue | horay for my tainted kernel |
| 20:12.22 | praha1 | or you could make up /srv/{all_users}/public_html with each of these owned by its user (so he can write to it) and make apache use this dir as user web home |
| 20:12.27 | shingouz | !tell TR0N1C about search |
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| 20:13.05 | praha1 | TR0N1C: dunno ! i only use proftp for my intranet debian mirror ... because i had a config example :) |
| 20:13.31 | TR0N1C | praha1: thanks |
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| 20:14.54 | praha1 | nvz: eh we don't have permissions "heritage" as in ntfs (i hate this things when i have to change the permission on a dir that contains 900 files and subdirs :) |
| 20:14.57 | Draconicus | valdyn: Yes. Essentially a USB mass storage device. sda appeared normally with the previous kernel version (I'm now on 2.6.8-2-386), but hdd didn't. Apparently my modules are rather stubborn. |
| 20:15.27 | jasoncohen | cool, i got TLS SMTP auth working with postfix |
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| 20:16.24 | dippo | okay, I have two packages I want to install. debconf and debconf-utils. trying to install debconf fails because debconf-utils is not high enough, and installing debconf-utils then fails because debconf is not high enough |
| 20:16.33 | dippo | how can I install them *both* so they don't die on those dependencies |
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| 20:16.49 | dippo | should I just force it? |
| 20:16.54 | valdyn | !tell Draconicus about usb-storage |
| 20:16.59 | dippo | err, upgrading, not installing |
| 20:17.26 | tcsetattr | dippo, just say apt-get install debconf debconf-utils |
| 20:17.34 | rikva | praha1: yep... apache only needs execute rights, so i got it working :) |
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| 20:17.59 | gin_ | i can't run the kernel.. |
| 20:18.01 | Shay | !tell darxeth about root |
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| 20:18.16 | dippo | i don't want to use apt -- i have specific versions I need to install |
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| 20:18.38 | praha1 | rikva: take care not to confuse "x" for files and dirs . For directories ir equals to "traversal" permissions (does traversal means something ?) |
| 20:18.41 | praha1 | in english |
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| 20:19.00 | Draconicus | valdyn: sd_mod and usb-storage are both loaded but there is no /dev/sd* |
| 20:19.27 | devazion | Draconicus: check dmesg after inserting it :) |
| 20:19.29 | tcsetattr | dippo... put them in a directory and run dpkg -R -i dir ? |
| 20:19.30 | rikva | praha1: thx, i dunno, i don't speak native english ;) |
| 20:19.41 | valdyn | Draconicus: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 20:19.50 | dippo | that's what i've done |
| 20:19.53 | tcsetattr | praha1, "traversal" basically means "passing through". |
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| 20:19.58 | dippo | but the installation fails |
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| 20:20.03 | darxeth | damn i didnt notice i'm on the root console! :S |
| 20:20.05 | valdyn | Draconicus: is it there? |
| 20:20.09 | darxeth | thanks shay and others :P |
| 20:20.14 | Shay | np |
| 20:20.15 | praha1 | Draconicus: you need udev for those to be created automatically , i don't remind if you told you had it yesterday :( |
| 20:20.18 | gin_ | Kernes requirel old modprobe, but coundn't run modprobe.modutils: No such file or directory Mount: unknown file system type 'sysfs' umount: sys: not mounted privot_root: No such file or directory |
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| 20:20.34 | darxeth | Shay how did you know i'm on root console? it's the first time i use bitchx |
| 20:20.41 | dippo | tcsetattr: http://chris.quietlife.net/tmp/error.txt |
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| 20:20.46 | Shay | darxeth, whois yourself |
| 20:20.48 | dippo | it's like a catch-22 |
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| 20:20.57 | gin_ | Kernel requirel old modprobe, but coundn't run modprobe.modutils: No such file or directory Mount: unknown file system type 'sysfs' umount: sys: not mounted privot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 20:21.04 | gin_ | i cant run kernel by that .. |
| 20:21.11 | valdyn | Draconicus: lsusb should show it too. |
| 20:21.11 | praha1 | tcsetattr: thanks ... sometimes i try some latin/french words and wonder if i people faint to understand :) |
| 20:21.19 | zinx | darxeth: he haxxed u |
| 20:21.20 | thomas22 | whois thomas22 |
| 20:21.40 | darxeth | Shay i did, what's so special? |
| 20:21.49 | darxeth | or what was |
| 20:21.50 | Shay | devazion, ... your ident |
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| 20:21.56 | Shay | err |
| 20:21.59 | Shay | darxeth, ... your ident |
| 20:22.17 | darxeth | Shay ofcourse, but what was written in it :> |
| 20:22.19 | gin_ | sombody can help me ? |
| 20:22.46 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 20:23.05 | gin_ | jim, there dude ? |
| 20:23.12 | tcsetattr | praha1, x permission on a directory means 1. You can "cd" to it. 2. If you know the name of a file in the directory, you can "ls -l" that file. ... Everything else depends on the permissions of the files and subdirectories. |
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| 20:23.29 | darxeth | Shay ok :( |
| 20:23.31 | gin_ | jim, wake up :) |
| 20:23.45 | darxeth | Shay are you jewish? just ceriousity |
| 20:23.51 | FieldySnuts | !irritate darxeth |
| 20:23.52 | dpkg | darxeth: HELP ME!!! who uses kde hello? |
| 20:24.14 | dareth | laugh... Im here... what ya want? |
| 20:24.19 | praha1 | gin_: a min please :) you miss either module-init-tools or modutils ... though something must be weird in the dependency if you installed a debian 2.4 kernel and it was not installed by the dependencies |
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| 20:24.33 | Shay | darxeth, I'm from Israel, just like you. |
| 20:24.45 | darxeth | Shay hmm |
| 20:24.49 | FieldySnuts | !start a world war |
| 20:24.49 | dpkg | Israel kicks Saudi ass |
| 20:24.51 | darxeth | i shoulda whois you first |
| 20:24.52 | FieldySnuts | uh oh. |
| 20:24.54 | darxeth | :P |
| 20:24.57 | dareth | Hey, you put an x in my nick!!! oooohhhh |
| 20:25.01 | Shay | lol FieldySnuts :-P |
| 20:25.02 | gin_ | praha1, i was installed 2.6.x |
| 20:25.08 | darxeth | dpkg omg can you speak bot!! <3 |
| 20:25.23 | FieldySnuts | once more, let's see |
| 20:25.24 | darxeth | dareth haha] |
| 20:25.28 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a world war |
| 20:25.29 | dpkg | Fundamentalist Islam will conquer the Christians! |
| 20:25.33 | FieldySnuts | wopw |
| 20:25.33 | gin_ | praha1, so what i must to do ? install module-init-tools and modutils from apt-get ? |
| 20:25.43 | dareth | well you talk.. I just sleep some more |
| 20:25.48 | darxeth | dpkg haha, what christians? you mean masons |
| 20:25.55 | toonX | got a nice chrooted 32 bit sarge (on tty8) running inside a 64bit etch and i was wondering if i can set up a different host name just for sarge , well can i ? tried hostname "name" inside the chrooted sarge, but also changed the hostname for etch , wich is not what i want ! |
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| 20:26.16 | jethro | @aussiesmite FieldySnuts |
| 20:26.16 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 20:26.21 | FieldySnuts | .. |
| 20:26.26 | darxeth | dareth wth is dareth? :P |
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| 20:27.05 | gin_ | praha1, so what i must to do ? install module-init-tools and modutils from apt-get ? |
| 20:27.17 | tcsetattr | toonX, "hostname" is known to the kernel, so you can't have a different hostname inside a chroot. If you need that much separation you'll have to run a separate kernel |
| 20:27.47 | praha1 | gin_: well module-init-tools is for 2.6 and modutils for 2.4 .. though i guess there is a problem so install both you ll be safe . Could you also tell me which one is installed currently (dpkg -l module-init-tools ; dpkg -l module-init-tools) |
| 20:27.52 | toonX | tcsetattr ok got it, didn't know hostname is direcly related to kernel |
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| 20:28.27 | darxeth | i can only join one channel at a time? :\ |
| 20:29.01 | darxeth | hrm |
| 20:29.03 | praha1 | toonX: it is not though it is tied to the ip ... there is not much point in having two hostname bound to one ip (though you can do it easely) |
| 20:29.08 | gin_ | praha1, and to what, two times dpkg -l module-init-tools ? |
| 20:29.10 | tcsetattr | I suppose it's possible there could be a CLONE_HOSTNAME option to allow different processes to see different hostnames... but I doubt anyone would implement it without a good reason |
| 20:29.29 | praha1 | geesh sorry one shouold have been dpkg -l modutils |
| 20:29.43 | tcsetattr | oh yeah, you can have multiple "hostnames" by declaring them in /etc/hosts on different addresses, but the machine still has one "primary hostname" that is known to the kernel. |
| 20:29.51 | toonX | praha1 well , how? |
| 20:30.10 | praha1 | tcsetattr: it s called wirtual hosting and linux support it (though it s beyond my knowledge how to use it) |
| 20:30.31 | praha1 | not wirtual (amn the ewoks) ... virtual |
| 20:30.38 | tcsetattr | toonX specifically asked about the hostname command though, which has nothing to do with virtual hosting |
| 20:31.19 | praha1 | crashbg: what is btv ? |
| 20:31.38 | toonX | tcsetattr so i guess i should dig some howtos about virtual hostname , right? |
| 20:32.05 | crashbg | praha1, this wasn't for this network :)) |
| 20:32.12 | crashbg | sorry |
| 20:32.24 | jim | gin_: the next thing you need to do is run through a basic, beginner unix tutorial... all this stuff about groups, ownerships, files, directories and permissions is usually covered in the first couple of sessions of a college unix course; get that stuff and learn up |
| 20:32.26 | tcsetattr | toonX, depends on what you're trying to accomplish... |
| 20:32.27 | nvz | praha1: I was sharing /srv/samba/ which contianed samba users homedirs, and trying to then restrict access on them through my filesystem permissions. but apperently it only works if each homedir is shared, and not just the parent dir |
| 20:32.43 | tcsetattr | the gin_ and jim show is still on!? |
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| 20:33.03 | jim | tcsetattr" not on your life :) |
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| 20:33.58 | jim | tcsetattr: essentially, it's his turn... he's gotta come across by doing the basic unix tutorials, as many and as much as he can get his hands on |
| 20:34.00 | gin_ | tcsetattr, just he is teaching me.. don't have nothing wrong.. |
| 20:34.20 | gin_ | tcsetattr, so u born with the knownlegde ? |
| 20:34.23 | jim | is? no, -was- :) now, you must take over and teach yourself |
| 20:34.25 | toonX | tcsetattr well, there is not much point in doing it like it was said, i was just wondering if it can be done :) |
| 20:34.46 | toonX | tcsetattr and since it requieres some work , i can live without |
| 20:35.00 | praha1 | gin_: it s called afterchoc amnesia :) |
| 20:35.03 | gin_ | jim, whateva dude.. i just saying to him.. |
| 20:35.04 | jim | I made damn sure that everything we covered was something that started you thinking |
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| 20:35.56 | jim | gin_: there's no problem here... I just don't have time to do that long session type stuff more often than once per year (and -not- per person either :) |
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| 20:36.29 | jim | gin_: as I said, it's your turn now... do something cool with it :) |
| 20:36.33 | gin_ | praha1, what u meant with, afterchoc amnesia ? |
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| 20:36.46 | cramm | Hi, I'm compiling a deb package (from a experimental deb-src repo) for Sarge, I've already apt-get build-essential ; apt-get build-dep <package> ; apt-get source <package>. But when I do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b I get a " dpkg-buildpackage: error fakeroot: command not found" err msg. Should I file a bug against the <packages> reporting that? |
| 20:36.50 | toonX | gin_ you had an accident |
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| 20:37.13 | gtlarue | excellent, nvidia works alright |
| 20:37.35 | praha1 | gin_: that it is so painfull we forgot it even happened (like windows admin saying you only need to go there in the registry and erase that to get things working ... hey that s easy :) |
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| 20:38.21 | gtlarue | horay, no more problems to fix for the moment |
| 20:38.26 | gtlarue | it feels good |
| 20:38.35 | praha1 | cramm: fakeroot is not part of the build-essential . You should install "fakeroot" |
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| 20:38.59 | cramm | I mean, should I report a missing dependency on fakeroot or it isn't the maintainer responsability?. When I install fakeroot the package building process seems to go smoothly |
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| 20:39.10 | cramm | praha1: ok, thanks |
| 20:39.23 | praha1 | though i guess build-essential recommands it . You should use aptitude and you d be safe (or learn advanced apt-get config) |
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| 20:39.50 | cramm | ah cool, thanks again praha1 |
| 20:39.56 | bobwJek | anyone ever use debian under VM ware, I am having issues starting X, i have install VMWare Tools |
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| 20:40.33 | praha1 | cramm: yes check and apt-build and devscripts recommands it , the dependencies are ok |
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| 20:41.08 | alejandro_ | hola |
| 20:41.12 | alejandro_ | yujuu |
| 20:41.21 | alejandro_ | hay alguien aki? |
| 20:41.23 | entheon | can someone tell me what "word splitting" in bash is? i read the manual but i don't understand it... i need an example |
| 20:41.27 | FieldySnuts | !irritate alejandro_ |
| 20:41.29 | dpkg | alejandro_: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my mepis werkz lol |
| 20:41.39 | praha1 | bobwJek: you have choosed vmware as the video card driver ? |
| 20:41.40 | alejandro_ | coño esta vian y esta en ingles |
| 20:42.05 | alejandro_ | i don't skepak very much ingles |
| 20:42.15 | maher | !es |
| 20:42.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:42.17 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: puta/ |
| 20:42.19 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: puta? |
| 20:42.22 | Teemu_K | cifs or nfs |
| 20:42.25 | tcsetattr | entheon, every command consists of a series of words... the first word is the command name, the rest are the arguments. Normally words are separated by spaces. When you use "quotes like this", everything inside the quotes becomes one word. |
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| 20:42.45 | Teemu_K | which one would you use, cifs or nfs |
| 20:42.46 | Teemu_K | :P |
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| 20:42.54 | Teemu_K | between linux-linux |
| 20:42.55 | zumbi | !irritate FieldySnuts |
| 20:42.56 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: hi every1 who uses cable thx |
| 20:43.02 | greycat | Teemu_K: depends on what you need to do |
| 20:43.11 | greycat | linux to linux, NFS. no contest. |
| 20:43.17 | gtlarue | any suggested ways to tweak debian configs so that games perform better? |
| 20:43.41 | gtlarue | Ive got the obvios stuff out of the way, like installing the nvidia driver |
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| 20:43.58 | Teemu_K | greycat: yea I think so too, but one guy tolt me that cifs is better than nfs :O, I looked that he is crazy when says that |
| 20:44.02 | entheon | tcsetattr, ok cool |
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| 20:44.24 | praha1 | entheon: "you said hello" is a "word" (well a program word is not really a word ... "you" "said" "hello" are tokens of the word) word splitting is splitting "you said hello" in its token . for t in "you said hello"; do echo $t; done would split the "word" in smaller one . The $IFS value is what is used to find the token separator (by default " " ) |
| 20:44.36 | Teemu_K | I use now nfs, but this hangs sometimes :(, I mean, I can read what that contains, but I cant do anything inside those mounts |
| 20:44.45 | mono | how do i stop my kernel from spitting this msg: mpostdrop: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/660917.4554: Read-only file system ? |
| 20:45.06 | praha1 | entheon: you might be interested in "info bash" way more echaustive |
| 20:45.09 | entheon | praha1, hmm... ok so like... i think i get it |
| 20:45.24 | entheon | praha1, yeah but i read the bash manual portion on word splitting but it didn't make much sense |
| 20:45.31 | entheon | praha1, one of my questions was waht $IFS was |
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| 20:45.39 | entheon | praha1, i assumed it was some sort of delimiter |
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| 20:45.47 | entheon | praha1, what does IFS stand for btw? |
| 20:46.22 | alejandro_ | fuck who speak spanish here? i need a servers of xchat in spanish PLEASE SPEAK EASY INGLESH |
| 20:46.36 | praha1 | RTFM :) "The Internal Field Separator that" ... though as i told the "info bash" is way better . It explains the token, word and so on |
| 20:46.38 | jethro | !es |
| 20:46.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:46.45 | itom | (join #agnula |
| 20:47.05 | entheon | praha1, ok... i just wanted to know what i stood for so... that helps it make more sense to me |
| 20:47.17 | alejandro_ | ahhh thanks . I go here |
| 20:47.23 | entheon | and i guess i'll check info bash, if as you claim it has much more info than the "bash manual" then this will be a good thing :) |
| 20:47.36 | praha1 | take some times to grab the token concept ... it will avoid future headaches |
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| 20:48.47 | streuner | from vacation? |
| 20:48.51 | greycat | yeah |
| 20:48.54 | alejandro_ | this pag is www.debian.org? but in spanish of course? |
| 20:48.59 | greycat | !es |
| 20:48.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:49.02 | entheon | praha1, well i think i already get the token concept... |
| 20:49.19 | greycat | I think www.d.o automatically selects a language from your browser's headers |
| 20:49.29 | greycat | #debian-es might know more |
| 20:49.33 | Teemu_K | any guesses why my nfs hangs up when I try to move stuff |
| 20:49.38 | entheon | praha1, i mean we in the english language say "word" to mean the thing delimited by spaces... but in the bash language we say a word may or may not be delimited by spaces |
| 20:49.50 | entheon | praha1, so thusly to avoid confustication we call them tokens |
| 20:49.53 | entheon | is that essentially it? |
| 20:49.59 | greycat | word in a programming language like bash means something more like "token" |
| 20:50.40 | entheon | greycat, ok |
| 20:50.45 | entheon | yeah i get that |
| 20:50.54 | pmitros | What's a good desktop publishing program for Debian? |
| 20:51.04 | shingouz | scribus |
| 20:51.22 | pmitros | thanks. I'll poke at it. |
| 20:51.47 | Zrin | !hr |
| 20:51.48 | dpkg | somebody said hr was Croatia |
| 20:51.48 | jasoncohen | what is SASL? i'm trying to do smtp authentication using TLS + login/password and the howto i found uses SASL |
| 20:52.00 | greycat | !sasl |
| 20:52.00 | dpkg | i guess sasl is Simple Authentication and Security Layer, an extensible authentication method defined in RFC 2222. SASL allows for the use of various mechanisms for authentication, which are registered with the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). a stupid, evil and poorly documented (but necessary) system for smtp auth. |
| 20:52.01 | Zrin | !true |
| 20:52.01 | dpkg | methinks true is eris, or false, or true, or bud |
| 20:52.24 | greycat | SASL seems to be the new name for what I've always called "SMTP AUTH", unless I'm missing something subtle |
| 20:52.35 | greycat | !truth |
| 20:52.35 | dpkg | it has been said that truth is stranger than fiction |
| 20:52.36 | praha1 | yep: though token are also "+" "^" etc . It s like atoms. word only contains some sort of tokens |
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| 20:52.40 | jasoncohen | greycat, should i be using sasl if i want to send my login/passwd to an SMTP w/ TLS? |
| 20:52.42 | paulswm | Teemu_K: if it's an older nfs server, it may be due to locking. Try adding the nolock option to the mount. |
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| 20:53.05 | praha1 | and this is where things go weird ... each language have it s own understanding of what a word can contains |
| 20:53.05 | greycat | jasoncohen: most likely yes |
| 20:53.18 | pmitros | Hmm... Scribus is KDE. Pity. Will still try. |
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| 20:53.58 | Teemu_K | paulswm: mhm maby, when I mount it says "older than kernel version or something like that" |
| 20:54.52 | sean_micken|work | Teemu_K: are you using like a testing/unstable kernel on a stable system? or using a stable kernel on an unstable/testing system? |
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| 20:55.45 | jasoncohen | greycat, but when i connect to comcast i get Authentication failed: cannot SASL authenticate to server smtp.comcast.net[63.240.76.27]: no mechanism available |
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| 20:55.51 | praha1 | gtlarue: glxinfo do you have direct rendering : Yes" |
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| 20:56.05 | Teemu_K | sean_micken|work: 2.6.11.7-grsec <-- that kernel in server, |
| 20:56.10 | Teemu_K | testing is apt sources |
| 20:56.23 | EmleyMoor | Is there a channel for dosemu support? Their web site is down so I can't help myself with it particularly... |
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| 20:57.06 | Draconicus | valdyn: Sorry. I got distracted. Lemme try. |
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| 20:57.45 | praha1 | gtlarue: though nvidia-settings is an easier way to find out most things |
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| 20:58.07 | praha1 | EmleyMoor: i would use dosbox ... |
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| 20:58.24 | sun_ | hi anyone know which if theres a forum for R the statistical package on debian? |
| 20:58.51 | TwistedEmotions | When someone isnt online and you want to leave them a memo... how do you do that? Just /msg them? |
| 20:58.58 | EmleyMoor | prahal: I might try it too |
| 20:59.00 | Draconicus | Oh. Nevermind. I hadn't actually plugged it in. I figured the module would be loaded anyway. All fixed now. |
| 20:59.04 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: /msg memoserv help |
| 20:59.23 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: haha thanks... trying to reach deadcat |
| 20:59.44 | greycat | maybe you'll have to wait for his next life. |
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| 21:00.24 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: Dont grey and dead cats hang out together? |
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| 21:02.57 | streuner | uhm, debian-security is active |
| 21:02.58 | gtlarue | yeah glx rendering says yes next to direct |
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| 21:03.22 | streuner | the last days i got more mails vs. 2 weeks before... |
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| 21:04.00 | gtlarue | but glxgears is giving me fps's in the 300's |
| 21:04.10 | gtlarue | I hear that most ppl get them in the 1000's |
| 21:04.42 | greycat | ask #nvidia or #xfree86 |
| 21:04.45 | tcsetattr | vtund[3047]: Can't allocate tap device tap0. Device or resource busy(16) |
| 21:05.03 | tcsetattr | how do I make device tap0 no longer busy? the previous daemon is dead and it's ifconfig'ed down |
| 21:05.41 | Zrin | how to copy a directory structure but not the files? |
| 21:05.49 | greycat | I'd expect the interface to disappear entirely when its controlling daemon is finally gone |
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| 21:06.06 | greycat | Zrin: find . -type d -print | cpio -paduv /target |
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| 21:06.15 | Zrin | greycat thx |
| 21:06.29 | zumbi | !thx |
| 21:06.29 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
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| 21:07.07 | graeme | dpkg, it's also a movie.. thx 1138, also by george. |
| 21:07.24 | tcsetattr | that's what I expected too, greycat, but it didn't... lsmod shows 2 references to the tun module and I can't figure out why. I wonder if vtund didn't like being killed with a SIGTERM but I didn't see any cleaner way |
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| 21:08.02 | greycat | tcsetattr: hmm... stateful iptables stuff? |
| 21:08.16 | gAri- | hi peeps |
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| 21:08.17 | tcsetattr | it was only up for a few seconds and I didn't ifconfig an IP address onto the interface... |
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| 21:08.52 | tcsetattr | oh! I found it. |
| 21:08.56 | shingouz | graeme: better now? :) |
| 21:09.04 | tcsetattr | pppoe-server was bound to tap0 |
| 21:09.29 | tcsetattr | (I'm using vtun as a testing platform for researching pppoe bugs) |
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| 21:10.03 | graeme | shingouz: a little, thanks. |
| 21:10.15 | shingouz | :) |
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| 21:10.51 | tcsetattr | I think when vtund dies, that's treated as equivalent to unplugging an ethernet cable, which does not cause the interface to cease to exist |
| 21:11.09 | tcsetattr | not like when pppd dies, which _does_ cause the interface to cease to exist |
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| 21:11.55 | SvR | hi, i would like to know if someone has an a7n8x vm motherboard and if the built-in ge4mx is properly recognise or Framebuffer ? |
| 21:11.57 | Draconicus | video0 is still giving me problems. Last time, I killed camserv and it seemed to work again (as in, video0 correctly used the drivers that were already loaded to use the cam). ALSA suddenly died when I did this, however. Do you think that camserv (part of camorama?) is to blame and should I restart it? |
| 21:12.15 | tcsetattr | pppoe over tunneled ethernet over IP... will I win a Perverse Network Award for that or do I need to run IPX over the pppoe? |
| 21:12.16 | sh4dowcat | guys |
| 21:12.22 | sh4dowcat | I just wrote a debian kernel compile guide |
| 21:12.31 | sh4dowcat | http://www.linux-noob.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1621 |
| 21:13.00 | sh4dowcat | if anyone wants to take a look and maybe point out any errors/omissions |
| 21:13.03 | sh4dowcat | I'd appreciate it |
| 21:13.19 | greycat | Step 1: Don't do it. Step 2: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 21:13.26 | greycat | !win greycat |
| 21:13.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 21:13.31 | sh4dowcat | haha very funny |
| 21:13.32 | Shay | aLOL |
| 21:13.59 | sh4dowcat | but seriously, if you spot an error |
| 21:14.02 | sh4dowcat | tell me :P |
| 21:14.21 | sh4dowcat | wouldn't want to screw people over with those instructions |
| 21:14.26 | streuner | there is an URL which point to KERNEL-HOWTO for debian already newiedoc.sf.net |
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| 21:14.55 | toonX | are there known problems when running X within an chrooted enviroment, even when using the drivers provided by XFree86 4.3.0 i'm experiencing severe graphics corruption! and those drivers do work for my card |
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| 21:14.57 | pmitros | So in theory, if I backup /usr, /etc, and /var, and upgrade to the new stable, I should be able to easily restore everything... |
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| 21:15.12 | greycat | and /home of course. |
| 21:15.13 | pmitros | boot. Forgot boot. |
| 21:15.21 | pmitros | grey: Upgrade shouldn't touch home. |
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| 21:15.32 | greycat | I'd still back it up, just in case. |
| 21:15.38 | tcsetattr | yet another "how to compile your kernel if you're too stupid to realize that the kernel tarball comes with instructions" document |
| 21:15.40 | pmitros | grey: Not enough space. |
| 21:16.07 | Shay | lol @ tcsetattr |
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| 21:16.24 | pmitros | tcset: :) |
| 21:17.00 | toonX | and i'm gettin this rare warning wich i never saw before , any ideas what is means, might be the cause , > Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols |
| 21:17.22 | shingouz | sh4dowcat: why do you want to edit the makefile? the cpu type is configured with the menuconfig, most of the times you do not need to make the headers at all, the symlink is not needed, if you check out what menuconfig does you should notice that you should not remove the .config after you have configured the kernel, with debian sources you can use the module-assistant |
| 21:17.46 | sh4dowcat | shingouz: most other guides out there include an edit makefile clause |
| 21:17.46 | shingouz | sh4dowcat: and more importantly, apt-get install kernel-image-whatever :) |
| 21:17.52 | jasoncohen | why would comcast reject SASL authentication? |
| 21:17.52 | sh4dowcat | just thought I would as well |
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| 21:17.58 | toonX | so, is just a bad config or ? |
| 21:17.59 | sh4dowcat | personally I don't use that |
| 21:18.00 | shingouz | sh4dowcat: but why |
| 21:18.05 | sh4dowcat | I use -append-to-version |
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| 21:18.17 | sh4dowcat | shingouz: umm convention I guess? |
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| 21:18.24 | sh4dowcat | *shrugs* |
| 21:18.33 | shingouz | sh4dowcat: still; why |
| 21:18.42 | sh4dowcat | ask Linus |
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| 21:18.58 | sh4dowcat | I just included it because most other guides have it |
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| 21:19.19 | bernouli | how can i set my own keymap, for example if i type alt+4 an xterm will come out |
| 21:19.51 | shingouz | sh4dowcat: might be better to know what the stuff does or we will have a shitload of n00bs here compiling kernels on their sid boxen |
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| 21:20.15 | jasoncohen | how do i specify the login/password to do a plain login to an SMTP server? i don't think SASL is what i want |
| 21:20.18 | sh4dowcat | shingouz: got ya |
| 21:20.25 | sh4dowcat | I should add a disclaimer at the top |
| 21:20.44 | dave` | hi; I dist-upgraded my sid install today, and since then I'm getting a few big problems. For a start, all the kernel source Makefiles can't seem to find gcc any more, for a reason I can't work out |
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| 21:20.58 | shingouz | sh4dowcat: yea, something along the lines of 'do not do this, install a debian kernel and be done with it' |
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| 21:21.50 | dave` | make-kpkg apparently tries to run scripts/gcc-version.sh by passing it the "program" i486-linux-gnu-gcc instead of sth like /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 21:22.30 | shingouz | sh4dowcat: as i told you there are other things too that i do not like. as the multiple targets you use, you do not need to compile the headers and if you do not have additional modules from outside the kernel tree you need only the kernel_image |
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| 21:23.05 | ggb | bobbens: Thanks - after a bit of hunting around, it seems to mostly work. Some instability, particularly with the mouse (I aslo have gpm working in text mode, so maybe that is a conflict somewhere), but otherwise, seems to be working. |
| 21:23.22 | pinkdoggy | Hi there, debian n00b here getting a kernel panic after initial net install. Can anyone help? |
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| 21:23.34 | shingouz | sh4dowcat: besides i do not like to have such howtos on sites that are frequented by noobs or they get the wrong idea |
| 21:23.37 | dave` | does anyone have an idea of where this malfunction could be coming from? I tried downgrading a few items (notably kernel-package), but no change |
| 21:24.04 | MobyTurbo | dave`: apt isn't designed to downgrade |
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| 21:24.17 | toonX | let me put it another way, in theory X can be run just fine in a chrooted enviroment ? |
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| 21:24.29 | jonkri | i'm having a exim4+mailman2 problem on debian stable (sarge). when i send a mail to my dedikerad@lists.dedikerad.se list i get a "local delivery failed" error. this is my eximconfig [ http://www.devmodul.com/mmproblem/config.autogenerated ] and this is my aliases file [ http://www.devmodul.com/mmproblem/aliases ]. i've been trying to solve this problem for days, any help would be most appreciated |
| 21:24.54 | dave` | MobyTurbo: I'm aware of that. I'd just like to know if anyone has an idea of where this problem might be coming from in the first place |
| 21:25.25 | sh4dowcat | shingouz: hmm |
| 21:25.27 | dave` | in this state, I can't compile a kernel because scripts trip up on something that got upgraded today |
| 21:26.12 | Draconicus | jonkri: I can't really help with that paticular error, but perhaps you might try Thunderbird? |
| 21:26.15 | lim_x | pinkdoggy: I think you need to be a little more specific. Any other error messages? Above/before the kernel panic lines? |
| 21:26.38 | MobyTurbo | dave`: at this period of time, it's not advisable to "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" sid unless you have a reason to |
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| 21:27.07 | jonkri | Draconicus oh, the mail client is not the problem. it's something with the server. but thanks anyway |
| 21:27.07 | shingouz | sh4dowcat: you have no idea how much it ticks me off when someone shows up here with absolutely no clue and wants to compile a custom kernel because he just wants the latest and greatest. or just because he wants it for some obscure reason |
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| 21:27.27 | dave` | MobyTurbo: yeah well, I probably wouldn't have had I known beforehand |
| 21:27.47 | Draconicus | Can I safely kill camserv? |
| 21:28.01 | sh4dowcat | shingouz: got it |
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| 21:28.06 | sh4dowcat | I have added the disclaimer now |
| 21:28.19 | MobyTurbo | dave`: consult the BTS, and install apt-listbugs |
| 21:28.36 | pinkdoggy | Yes after installing the base system I get the following: "/sbin/init: 432: cannot open /dev/console. No such file" then "Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" |
| 21:29.01 | dareth | The debian kernel image 2.6 seems to be quite nice. |
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| 21:29.23 | shingouz | pinkdoggy: what version of the installer you using? you have some real oddball hardware? |
| 21:29.28 | Draconicus | Erg... It's a very simple question, and I don't appreciate it being ignored for the third time. I know what camserv does, but the last time I killed the process ALSA, for reasons unknown, exploded. Is it actually safe to kill camserv, meaning that the ALSA problem was just a weird spontaneous incident? |
| 21:29.51 | Draconicus | dareth: Woody is no more. Stable is now Sarge. |
| 21:30.06 | dareth | nog, but I still have some woody servers... |
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| 21:30.22 | dareth | they aint broke... so I aint fixin them.. *wink*, put in Linksys nics. |
| 21:30.33 | Draconicus | Makes sense, I guess. |
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| 21:30.51 | pinkdoggy | Not sure - I just downloaded the net install iso today. I have a Toshiba satellite P10-873 with a P4 3.2Ghz HyperThreading, 512 mb ram, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 |
| 21:30.53 | shingouz | hi furrywolf |
| 21:30.57 | furrywolf | heyas |
| 21:31.00 | paulswm | shingouz: I'm using a broadcom-chip wireless nick and wap and I love them :P |
| 21:31.04 | dareth | I got Sarge running on this box, b44 fine under 2.6 kernel I apt-get |
| 21:31.18 | dareth | didn't have to scrounge another linksys |
| 21:32.13 | shingouz | stop stop stop! you are hurting my head |
| 21:32.19 | jonkri | i have a "local delivery failed" problem with mailman exim that i have been trying to solve for days. i'm a newbie when it comes to exim and mailman configuration, so if someone have the time to take a look at my logs it would really help. thanks in advance :) |
| 21:32.37 | EmleyMoor | Why is dosemu not relating drive letters to installers for me? |
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| 21:33.06 | dareth | Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401 100Base-T (rev 01) works nicely with 2.6 |
| 21:33.18 | sadf | hi folks |
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| 21:34.20 | S4nD3r_ | Hi... I have a DSL internet connection, how do I discover the external IP in my linux box? |
| 21:34.22 | S4nD3r_ | how discover the external IP ??? |
| 21:34.25 | lim_x | pinkdoggy: I can tell you that a part of base install failed; though I have no idea why. If /sbin/init is there (seems that way), I have no idea why /dev/console shouldn't. Are you new to linux in general? Got a 'knoppix' or any other live-cd on hand? |
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| 21:35.30 | bobbens | S4nD3r_: try checkip.dyndns.org |
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| 21:36.31 | S4nD3r_ | bobbens, Great! |
| 21:37.35 | pinkdoggy | lim_x - I'm not that new to linux but am still learning. I can burn a DamnSmallLinux boot disc if that will help? |
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| 21:38.51 | manthiz | Hi all! I have been running unstable for over a year and a few days ago I was setting up gstreamer and after installing some packages and rebooting my gnome installation was gone (meaning it was not installed anymore) now I try to apt-get install gnome and the packages are broken |
| 21:39.30 | manthiz | any idea how to fix the package dependencies? I already tried apt-get -f install |
| 21:40.02 | jasoncohen | is SASL really the correct method to authenticate with an SMTP server? i get "cannot SASL authenticate to server mail.brandeis.edu[129.64.99.170]: no mechanism available" on two smtp servers |
| 21:40.15 | icyfire0573 | manthiz: unstable went crazy when etch became the new testing, your kind of in a bind, and i don't know how to fix it |
| 21:40.55 | icyfire0573 | jasoncohen: SASL is a method of authentication, kmail has "check and see what server supports" so you might want to try that, i think evolution has it too |
| 21:41.14 | portahex | manthiz, you learn an important lesson about running unstable. |
| 21:42.03 | jasoncohen | icyfire0573, what other methods are there to use? i simply want to use plaintext login with TLS |
| 21:42.34 | tcsetattr | there are 2 "plaintext" SASL methods: PLAIN (the standard one) and LOGIN (the Microsoft one) |
| 21:42.36 | icyfire0573 | jasoncohen: try using the "check what server supports" and then use what they say is available |
| 21:42.51 | pinkdoggy | I've been reading that my problem may be caused by using an SMP kernel. Is SMP supported by debian? (latest net install iso) |
| 21:42.54 | paulswm | manthiz: not an unusual event for unstable, that's why it's called unstable and why advice here and on the debian web site warns against using it. You're pretty much on your own. |
| 21:43.19 | bobbens | pinkdoggy: you have to get a special smp ones, theyre available via apt-get |
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| 21:43.28 | devazion | manthiz: package pinning :) search some about it... you can "downgrade" to etch ;) smooth huh? |
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| 21:43.57 | manthiz | :) well yes u guys r right, actually the only way I found to get gnome back was to move it to experimental, ironic ? |
| 21:44.45 | manthiz | devazion: for some reason I was not able to downgrade, :( |
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| 21:45.25 | EmleyMoor | I can't get anywhere with either dosemu or dosbox |
| 21:45.27 | devazion | just apt-get -t testing install gnome? |
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| 21:45.44 | jasoncohen | icyfire0573, it supports plain and login |
| 21:45.46 | EmleyMoor | Both run but neither will let me install programs |
| 21:45.53 | pinkdoggy | bobbens, how can I run apt-get when I can't boot? Should I use a boot disk then chroot in? Will apt-get work if I do that? |
| 21:46.12 | lim_x | pinkdoggy: it might help to investigate; this might not be easy (or quick), but it could help you learn a lot. The installer should have created /dev/console, you would have to find why it didn't. Any errors during install? You could try to login using "init=/sbin/sulogin" or even "init=/bin/bash" as kernel append parameters, though I am not sure if this works w/o /dev/console. Using a live-cd you could boot and look around, even if the former fai |
| 21:46.12 | lim_x | ls. It might take some time and you might fail anyway; you should check if you downloaded the "stable" or "daily snapshot", if you are using the snapshot try again with stable. |
| 21:46.14 | paulswm | !tell manthiz about downgrade |
| 21:46.18 | icyfire0573 | jasoncohen: so the server dosen't have SSL, or TLS enabled, your going to have to do without |
| 21:46.21 | UrbanFo1 | Is Debian Sarge terribly difficult to install? |
| 21:46.29 | bobbens | pinkdoggy: yeah it should work |
| 21:46.39 | paulswm | UrbanFo1: No it isn't |
| 21:46.41 | bobbens | UrbanFo1: i found it extremely easy |
| 21:46.43 | furrywolf | UrbanFo1: no, it's pretty easy. |
| 21:46.49 | pinkdoggy | Do you know the name of the package I need to install? |
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| 21:46.58 | deadcat | can i use distcc with ppc and x86 together? |
| 21:47.11 | paulswm | !tell UrbanFo1 about d-i |
| 21:47.13 | kbrooks | I want GNU diff to output patches. However, I do not want it to erase a entire file and then recreate it (in the patch) |
| 21:47.21 | gtlarue | how do I change my screen resolution without running gnome |
| 21:47.25 | greycat | kbrooks: then don't make such big changes. |
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| 21:47.38 | bobbens | pinkdoggy: depends on the kernel you want, like for example kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp |
| 21:47.50 | devazion | gtlarue: "how do i search the web?" |
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| 21:48.23 | jasoncohen | icyfire0573, huh? authentication methods =! encryption |
| 21:48.24 | kbrooks | greycat, all i want is a workaround |
| 21:48.37 | jasoncohen | icyfire0573, comcast supports login w/ TLS |
| 21:48.55 | jasoncohen | i can use TLS/SSL fine in thunderbird to check my mail |
| 21:48.58 | jasoncohen | and to send mail |
| 21:49.27 | icyfire0573 | jasoncohen: if the program says its not supported it not supported at that server, im pretty sure its not going be wrong, it could just be a miscommunication error of some sort |
| 21:49.35 | pinkdoggy | Ok thanks guys, I'll try to apt-get a SMP kernel and see if I can then boot. |
| 21:50.01 | kbrooks | @@ -1,473 +1,498 @@ |
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| 21:50.13 | jasoncohen | icyfire0573, you're confused. it's not going to show SSL or TLS as an authentication type because SSL/TLS merely provides transport encryption. it doesn't provide any type of authentication |
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| 21:51.20 | rr72 | kramer |
| 21:51.39 | paulswm | rebooty |
| 21:51.53 | lim_x | bobbens: I don't think that was what pinkdoggy wanted to know, but his question wasn't that good, too. |
| 21:52.00 | icyfire0573 | jasoncohen: if you go to kmail (this is the one program i know) and choose how the program interacts with the server it will have two parts, 1 the auth method, plain, login, kerberos, and something else i think, the second part is the transport, sslv1 sslv2 tls and none, they have a button for check what server supports, and you click the button and it will dim out the ones unavailable, and you can choose amongst the ones that are a |
| 21:52.13 | tcsetattr | SSL can provide client authentication too... it's just not usually used that way |
| 21:52.22 | lunaphyte_work | why might i not have /dev/dsp? |
| 21:52.23 | bobbens | lim_x: probably not, i just heard the part about where can i get an smp kernel |
| 21:52.25 | sun_ | anyone get decent audio on an inspiron 9300 (82801fb ac97) lspci says, and lsmod says it loaded i810_{audio,rng} and ac97_codec. |
| 21:52.38 | bobbens | lim_x: and was too lazy to /lastlog him |
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| 21:53.27 | jasoncohen | icyfire0573, oh, ok- well, i know the server supports SSL & TLS because i've used both. what i don't know how to do is to setup postfix to login to the server with my username/passwd. i can only do anonymous login with TLS |
| 21:54.10 | icyfire0573 | your trying to get postfix to login to the comcast server and download your mail and then deliver it to your local mailboxes? |
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| 21:55.16 | jasoncohen | no, i'm trying to get comcast to send my cron-apt reports to another email account. |
| 21:55.38 | jasoncohen | i can do it with my university's smtp server by connecting to port 587 |
| 21:55.40 | icyfire0573 | jasoncohen: isn't that a job for mail forwarding then? |
| 21:55.43 | tcsetattr | does comcast actually require a login? |
| 21:56.09 | tcsetattr | oh, you're not using comcast's relay... I don't blame you |
| 21:56.13 | jasoncohen | tcsetattr, well- the bastards are apparently blocking my access to port 25 |
| 21:56.33 | jasoncohen | so i have to use port 587 which requires login/pass for comcast |
| 21:56.42 | icyfire0573 | comcast shouldn't let anyone have access to 25 unless they call up and ask for permssion |
| 21:57.02 | jasoncohen | well, they're blocking my access to port 25 on any server |
| 21:57.03 | tcsetattr | that's what you get with a lowest-common-denominator ISP |
| 21:57.15 | jasoncohen | try telnet smtp.comcast.net 25 |
| 21:57.18 | jasoncohen | you should be able to do it. i can't |
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| 21:58.02 | tcsetattr | so your main problem is not knowing how to configure postfix to authenticate to the smarthost? |
| 21:58.08 | jasoncohen | yes |
| 21:58.20 | jasoncohen | i can only do unauthenticated connections |
| 21:58.23 | jasoncohen | with or without TLS |
| 21:59.09 | jasoncohen | tcsetattr, do you know how? |
| 21:59.12 | rr72 | oZt~ hows it hanging? |
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| 22:00.11 | tcsetattr | have you seen http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/03/msg00456.html ? |
| 22:00.14 | tcsetattr | I've never used postfix. |
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| 22:01.50 | hinjo | I moved my hd from one ide place to another and back. and now X won't start. it says that modules pex5 and xie are missing? weird. can I remove some package and reinstall it to get them back? |
| 22:02.06 | jasoncohen | tcsetattr, i set it up like that |
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| 22:02.09 | furrywolf | sure you're booting off the same drive you were before? |
| 22:02.15 | jonkri | hinjo !!!!!! |
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| 22:03.16 | hinjo | jonkri: help me man :9 |
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| 22:03.54 | jonkri | hinjo sorry man, i have no idea |
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| 22:04.06 | tcsetattr | so what are the current symptoms? not connecting to the smarthost at all? sending the wrong password? |
| 22:04.28 | hinjo | jonkri: neither do I :). |
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| 22:07.49 | gtlarue | im getting bad framerates with glxgears |
| 22:08.05 | E-bola | Do anybody know how u can tweak ur fireware controll erin linux? |
| 22:08.13 | E-bola | i get worse speed than i do on mac osx |
| 22:08.14 | greycat | hey, me too! but, oh wait, I don't care. |
| 22:08.17 | E-bola | with external drives |
| 22:08.19 | greycat | 420 frames in 5.0 seconds = 84.000 FPS |
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| 22:09.11 | gAri- | yo anybody alive for a bit of dns help? |
| 22:09.12 | initech | hey, i get 8640 frames in 5.0 seconds ... FUCK yeah! |
| 22:09.19 | FarrisG | anyone know how to split a multi-page tif? |
| 22:09.23 | initech | gAri-: uh, maybe ... |
| 22:09.26 | gtlarue | yeah, my fps's are in the 300s |
| 22:09.30 | gtlarue | poor |
| 22:09.31 | gAri- | I'm fuxing with reverse dns lookups |
| 22:09.32 | initech | gAri-: ask ... |
| 22:09.52 | gAri- | reverse addresses are possible to manage from the master server right? |
| 22:09.57 | gtlarue | here I am trying to frag people and games are still slideshows |
| 22:10.00 | gAri- | I have a domain registered at some american company |
| 22:10.10 | initech | gAri-: it depends on who the network is delegated to |
| 22:10.22 | gAri- | what does it mean exactly ? |
| 22:10.30 | initech | gAri-: that's forward. are these public ip addresses or what? |
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| 22:10.44 | gAri- | yes |
| 22:10.52 | gAri- | its a machine at an internet company |
| 22:10.54 | empty | gAri-, reverse DNS is controlled by the owner of the IPs in question |
| 22:11.04 | empty | the "internet company" controls it then |
| 22:11.12 | gAri- | emtpy: okay, but is it controlled by the master server that I control |
| 22:11.14 | initech | gAri-: then you need to look up who the reverse is delegated to with whois, and ask them to change/add your records |
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| 22:11.19 | empty | gAri-, no |
| 22:11.20 | gAri- | or it is controlled by the registrator? |
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| 22:11.31 | tcsetattr | how many IP addresses do you control, gAri-? |
| 22:11.36 | gAri- | 1 only |
| 22:11.43 | initech | gAri-: (which is unlikely these days) |
| 22:11.46 | tcsetattr | then you should just ask them to update the reverse DNS for you. |
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| 22:11.54 | gAri- | I didnt registered it actually and the reverse isnt pointing to where it should |
| 22:12.02 | empty | gAri-, neither, it is controlled by the internet company that owns them- see whois to find out who that is. |
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| 22:12.29 | gtlarue | some people get fps in the 10k's with those nvidia drivers I wonder what gives |
| 22:12.32 | empty | gAri-, "where it should" and "where you want it to" are two separate things |
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| 22:13.16 | initech | gAri-: for e.g, "dig -x <ip_address> ns" will tell you what nameserver the reverse is delegated to |
| 22:13.24 | lim_x | hinjo: do you actually need those modules? I never did (in fact I had to google for the name; this stuff seems to outdated?); have you tried to disable loading the modules in XF86Config? |
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| 22:14.11 | jbmigel | gtlarue glxgears output isnt very good bench... you get different numbers depending on your X-server resolution |
| 22:14.14 | initech | gAri-: now, you can configure a reverse zone for a public address space on your nameserver at will. however, only hosts using that nameserver for resolution will get the answer you put there |
| 22:14.31 | ribnitz | evening |
| 22:14.36 | gAri- | emtpy: there is an adress xyz.com and it points to an address xyz.hu |
| 22:14.45 | gAri- | it should point to .com but it points to .hu |
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| 22:15.01 | Master-Yoda | hello |
| 22:15.01 | sewi | how to count the number of files in a directory? |
| 22:15.09 | furrywolf | sewi: ls | wc |
| 22:15.09 | gAri- | its a machine that will after a while replace that .hu pmachine but not yet |
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| 22:15.12 | initech | sewi: ls | wc |
| 22:15.14 | Master-Yoda | how do i copy a folder and movethe copy to ../ |
| 22:15.23 | Master-Yoda | cp folder ../folder ? |
| 22:15.28 | furrywolf | Master-Yoda cp foo ../ |
| 22:15.33 | ribnitz | initech: that will also count directories and symlinks.. :) |
| 22:15.35 | Master-Yoda | alright |
| 22:15.36 | Master-Yoda | thanks |
| 22:15.37 | jonkri | Master-Yoda cp -R folder ../folder |
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| 22:15.47 | Master-Yoda | ah yes |
| 22:15.48 | Master-Yoda | tahnk you |
| 22:15.50 | Master-Yoda | forgot the -R |
| 22:15.51 | sewi | furrywolf, initech: thanks |
| 22:15.57 | initech | ribnitz: oh then use find -type f ... blah blah |
| 22:15.59 | Master-Yoda | sorry i thimk im sick in the head today :P |
| 22:16.01 | jonkri | Master-Yoda np. just don't forget that it's called directory :) |
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| 22:16.27 | gAri- | initech: what if I own many ip addresses. how can I play with them? or maybe if I own a complete address space? |
| 22:16.28 | lamp__ | is it possible to print from windows to a linux pc with cups |
| 22:16.48 | marl_mobile | anyone know how to get libdvdcss working under xine in debian? |
| 22:16.52 | initech | gAri-: you would have to talk to Arin or RIPE ... |
| 22:17.04 | beardy | lamp__: Yes. |
| 22:17.12 | sewi | initech, furrywolf: I have 3 numbers 82 83 2423, which is the number of files? |
| 22:17.15 | initech | marl_mobile: install them? that's all it took for me ... |
| 22:17.22 | furrywolf | sewi: 82 |
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| 22:17.55 | sewi | furrywolf, :) |
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| 22:18.10 | marl_mobile | i had to install libdvdcss from source, and xine isnt reconising the lib files |
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| 22:18.18 | anhi | any reason for ppl that used unstable for a year now to switch to testing now that sarge is out? |
| 22:18.28 | E-bola | +why |
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| 22:18.31 | marl_mobile | i cant find anyware on the net to say where i link the libdvdcss files to get xine to reconise them |
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| 22:18.46 | furrywolf | sewi: wc simply counts characters... 82 lines, 83 words, 2423 characters. ls happens to print one file per line when it's in a pipe, so the number of lines is the number of files. |
| 22:19.00 | initech | marl_mobile: remove that, and look at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html |
| 22:19.17 | paulswm | sewi: next time, do ls|wc -l and you'll just have the one number :) |
| 22:19.29 | initech | marl_mobile: that guy packages all the dvd/mpeg goodies for debian |
| 22:19.33 | empty | marl_mobile, use deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main in /etc/apt/sources then update and install |
| 22:19.56 | gAri- | initech: so what does this dig thingie tells me about? |
| 22:20.11 | greycat | paulswm: random trick: you can suck the files into an array and print the length of the array (all builtins): array=(*); echo ${#array[*]} |
| 22:20.16 | empty | gAri-, I think it has a man page :) It's a DNS query tool |
| 22:20.21 | WoodsDog | marl_mobile: i did "apt-get |
| 22:20.28 | greycat | paulswm: not terribly useful unless you do something more with the array |
| 22:20.32 | gAri- | whops I think I know why it is so |
| 22:20.35 | WoodsDog | apt-get install libdvdcss |
| 22:20.44 | sewi | furrywolf, paulswm: thanks, all i wanted:) |
| 22:20.47 | WoodsDog | apt-get install libdvdcss2 and then followed the instructions |
| 22:20.50 | gAri- | empty/initech: thanks a lot for your help |
| 22:20.50 | initech | gAri-: the nameservers that the reverse is actually delegated to |
| 22:20.58 | gAri- | yea I found it |
| 22:20.59 | empty | furrywolf, I guess I have typed -1 about a billion too many times then thanks ;) |
| 22:21.00 | gAri- | thank you |
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| 22:21.14 | empty | gAri-, pay it forward ;) |
| 22:21.19 | gAri- | :P |
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| 22:21.28 | gAri- | its nice to see people helping so kindly |
| 22:21.31 | gAri- | :) |
| 22:21.36 | paulswm | greycat: Smartass :P 10 out of 10 for geekiness though! |
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| 22:21.45 | empty | gAri-, that's #debian for you |
| 22:21.47 | initech | i'm going to plant ome flowers now |
| 22:21.55 | gAri- | :) |
| 22:21.56 | empty | IMO the bestest face of the OSS community |
| 22:21.57 | greycat | paulswm: too much time in #Bash |
| 22:22.00 | paulswm | gAri-: This is a very kind place. |
| 22:22.17 | arfy | hi there. |
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| 22:22.36 | henryb | #debian and #gentoo are amazing channels |
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| 22:22.39 | empty | paulswm, I dunno, that dpkg guy can get kind of terse |
| 22:22.43 | ribnitz | Is there an easy way to lock out ssh (or other connections) after a given number of failed logins? |
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| 22:23.08 | dondelelcaro | empty: if all people used you for was asking questions, you'd adopt brevity too... ;-) |
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| 22:23.16 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: pam |
| 22:23.25 | henryb | ribnitz, either pam or /etc/ssh/sshd_config (or similar) |
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| 22:23.31 | paulswm | empty: Heh |
| 22:23.36 | henryb | specifically maxauthtries |
| 22:23.54 | henryb | sorry, ribnitz MaxAuthTries |
| 22:24.00 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: how would I track such things, pam is stateless, isnt it? |
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| 22:24.29 | empty | dondelelcaro, You don't know dpkgs secret cybersex commands? Oh well |
| 22:24.41 | greycat | !fuck empty |
| 22:24.43 | zinx | !cybersex me |
| 22:24.52 | initech | !bukkake |
| 22:24.55 | zinx | that should be a command |
| 22:24.56 | empty | hawt |
| 22:24.56 | initech | oh well |
| 22:24.57 | henryb | ooo |
| 22:24.59 | paulswm | greycat: I know what you mean though, I see ksh scripts where people run stuff though cut and sed in situations where it can all be done with parameter expansions. |
| 22:25.02 | greycat | zinx: go ahead. |
| 22:25.11 | arfy | hi there. I just tried installing a package using lynx. Howerver, when I went to use sudo to log in to root, it kept saying incorect password, even though I was typing my correct password. |
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| 22:25.32 | greycat | paulswm: an array full of file names can be useful in other situations (e.g. choose a random file) |
| 22:25.33 | paulswm | !gothsmite empty |
| 22:25.38 | ribnitz | arfy: remote login? |
| 22:25.40 | empty | arfy, your correct user account password or root password? are you sure you aren't looking for su |
| 22:25.55 | initech | arfy: you do know that it's asking for the user passwd, not the root one, right? |
| 22:25.56 | marl_mobile | :) libdvdcss is working :) THANKS GUYS :) |
| 22:25.57 | paulswm | greycat: Sure. |
| 22:26.04 | empty | paulswm, as a goth I object to calling Cradle of Filth "goth" |
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| 22:26.13 | arfy | no, the package installation watnd me to log in as root to complete the install. |
| 22:26.17 | empty | marl_mobile, Glad to help you (and fuck the MPAA) |
| 22:26.19 | ribnitz | arfy: also, on some systems direct login as root is disabled (generally good idea) |
| 22:26.22 | paulswm | empty: Hey, take it up with dpkg :P |
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| 22:26.25 | darxeth | hey i've done apt-get install smbclient and i got the latest ver. my computer is connected to another comp based on win2k system via network cable. how can i enter it by samba or smbclient however from this computer? |
| 22:26.42 | initech | arfy: sudo does not ask for the root password |
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| 22:26.53 | empty | arfy, you want su and not sudo |
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| 22:27.34 | empty | arfy, su is "switch user" with root as the default, sudo lets a controlled list of people do a controlled list of commands as root using their own passwords |
| 22:27.36 | paintooth | 829 people ? |
| 22:27.44 | paintooth | hi |
| 22:27.46 | greycat | no, 800 bots and 29 people |
| 22:27.48 | arfy | ah ok. |
| 22:27.50 | empty | paintooth, no, at least 2 are bots |
| 22:27.52 | draconian | lmao |
| 22:27.57 | paintooth | (dpkg) |
| 22:28.20 | paintooth | ^_^ http://www.sun.com/software/chilisoft/ |
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| 22:28.29 | beardy | darxeth: Read the manpage (or info manual if available) It's all in there. |
| 22:28.31 | paintooth | asp on linux |
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| 22:29.16 | paintooth | *sigh* |
| 22:29.29 | henryb | empty, can't sudo be used to impersonate more than just root? i guess sudo su <user> would also work...:) |
| 22:30.08 | paintooth | ? |
| 22:30.49 | deadcat | can i use distcc with ppc and x86 together? |
| 22:30.56 | rr72 | no |
| 22:31.03 | henryb | deadcat, not really |
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| 22:31.34 | swim | i cant seem to mount usb hdd... dmesg shows it being seen, but not being added as a device (i.e. sda) ... i am using a custom kernel... I have the fiesystem and usb built in for sure... what else could it be? |
| 22:31.39 | deadcat | henryb: thanks |
| 22:31.44 | empty | henryb, sure I suppose it can |
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| 22:32.06 | supsup | I'm having big problems installing Debian. |
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| 22:32.15 | henryb | such as...? |
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| 22:32.49 | supsup | It gets through all the stuff and has me select a partition and everything, but then when it goes to installing base system, it stays at zero for a little bit and then gives a red screen that says "Installer cannot figure out how to install Debian" or something like that. |
| 22:33.06 | beardy | swim: Isn't there a lot of options regarding usb? Have you included support for your kind of drive? |
| 22:33.19 | initech | supsup: are you sure the media is good? |
| 22:34.02 | supsup | Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I can browse it and everything and the ISO checksum matches up. PS, it's for AMD64. |
| 22:35.00 | swim | beardy yes I have. |
| 22:35.12 | henryb | supsup what kind of ide controller? |
| 22:35.15 | initech | does the installer have strace? |
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| 22:35.44 | JosephSpiros | Hmm, df -h: /dev/hdb1 38G 36G 1.9M 100% /mnt/castle |
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| 22:35.52 | supsup | I don't know if it has strace, and I think nForce 3 IDE controller? |
| 22:36.03 | JosephSpiros | anyone have any idea why that partition would state 38GB size, 36GB used, but 1.9MB available? |
| 22:36.07 | JosephSpiros | it doesn't make any sense? |
| 22:36.08 | newbie02 | stolen vioce ? |
| 22:36.33 | initech | supsup: nforce ... dunno but heard of serious issues with that chipset (not with the disk controller though) |
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| 22:37.07 | henryb | supsup it was challenging to get sata drives working on my nforce3 but i did..unfortunately that was a gentoo system, and a long time ago. dunno if debian would give that error or what |
| 22:37.10 | tcsetattr | 5% reserved for root, Joseph... |
| 22:37.16 | empty | How do i make dpkg tell me what the backend is for an action? |
| 22:37.19 | supsup | ed, but 1.9MB available? |
| 22:37.19 | supsup | [16:36] <JosephSpiros> it doesn't make any sense? |
| 22:37.19 | supsup | [16:36] <newbie02> stolen vioce ? |
| 22:37.28 | empty | the SF docs are sadly incomplete |
| 22:37.36 | supsup | oops, sorry about that. :) ed, but 1.9MB available? |
| 22:37.36 | supsup | [16:36] <JosephSpiros> it doesn't make any sense? |
| 22:37.36 | supsup | [16:36] <newbie02> stolen vioce ? |
| 22:37.42 | henryb | errrm |
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| 22:37.50 | greycat | !smite supsup |
| 22:37.51 | supsup | oops, sorry about that. :) |
| 22:37.53 | initech | JosephSpiros: reserved space, a few other things. don't use df -h if you want perfectly accurate byte counts |
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| 22:37.58 | newbie02 | supsup, i tried to post question and "demigods stole my voice" |
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| 22:38.13 | initech | damn demigods |
| 22:38.15 | JosephSpiros | initech: yes, but 2GB is probably large enough that I don't need perfectly accurate byte counts :) |
| 22:38.33 | initech | JosephSpiros: what type of filesystem? |
| 22:38.42 | JosephSpiros | initech: ext3 |
| 22:39.12 | initech | JosephSpiros: try making it with the "sparse superblock" option ... see the man page. most certainly this is the case |
| 22:39.36 | JosephSpiros | initech: well, the problem is... I don't have anywhere I can back all of the 36GB of data on it to |
| 22:39.41 | JosephSpiros | initech: ;x |
| 22:40.07 | JosephSpiros | initech: anything I can do that'll fix it without needing recreation of the filesystem? |
| 22:40.23 | devazion | Is it possible to convert a reiserfs partition into ext3 without loosing the data? (I searched the web but didn't find anything) |
| 22:40.30 | initech | JosephSpiros: maybe tune2fs will help? I don't know, don't use ext3 very much |
| 22:40.39 | initech | devazion: nope |
| 22:40.40 | greycat | devazion: can't. |
| 22:40.43 | icyfire0573 | devazion: no |
| 22:40.57 | devazion | arf :) thats too bad... thx for the help! |
| 22:41.01 | supsup | so it's a problem with the chipset probably? |
| 22:41.13 | initech | supaman: my irst *guess* |
| 22:41.19 | initech | err, first |
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| 22:41.31 | JosephSpiros | initech: thanks :) |
| 22:41.34 | paulswm | JosephSpiros: you should be able to use tune2fs -m to change the size of the reserve, man tune2fs |
| 22:41.42 | JosephSpiros | OK |
| 22:41.55 | JosephSpiros | thanks :) |
| 22:42.31 | supsup | ;( ;( ;( ;( ;( ;( ;( ;( ;( ;( ;( ;( that's not good man. really, i need it to work. |
| 22:42.56 | initech | supaman: this is sata, or using it as ide? |
| 22:43.04 | supsup | IDE |
| 22:43.19 | lim_x | devazion: have you seen this: http://tzukanov.narod.ru/convertfs/index.html ? |
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| 22:44.53 | lim_x | devazion: Though I wouldn't try that without a backup. |
| 22:45.00 | devazion | lim_x: *checking it out* |
| 22:45.41 | Angry_Bacon | which HTML editor (with GUI) works best? |
| 22:45.49 | paintooth | hehe |
| 22:45.56 | henryb | supsup - try grapping a knoppix boot disk, boot up, and check all your hardware is recognized, and drives can be read/written to |
| 22:45.57 | Rawplayer | bluefish? |
| 22:46.17 | greycat | !best |
| 22:46.17 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 22:47.12 | Rawplayer | http://members.home.nl/bazzmaze/dertien.wmv |
| 22:47.14 | henryb | Angry_Bacon try oo2.0, use xlst on the resultant xml file, then css. that's a hell of a gui |
| 22:47.19 | devazion | lim_x: thanks alot for that link :) |
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| 22:47.41 | henryb | i actually think it can save as html |
| 22:47.42 | lim_x | devazion: you are welcome; and remember: anything is possible |
| 22:47.48 | devazion | ;D |
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| 22:48.06 | d-_-b | hi .d |
| 22:48.08 | d-_-b | :D |
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| 22:49.00 | arfy | hi there. I'm using a 2.6.8 kernel. My queston is, what version of alsa is included? |
| 22:49.05 | arfy | is it 1.0.8 |
| 22:49.07 | initech | here's a link for everyone: http://pixyland.org/peterpan/photo_closeups_lf1.htm |
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| 22:49.58 | paulswm | !nickometer d-_-b |
| 22:49.58 | dpkg | 'd-_-b' is 97.050% lame, paulswm |
| 22:50.14 | initech | just thought i'd share that little gem |
| 22:51.05 | devazion | initech: horrible :P |
| 22:51.20 | paulswm | !beat initech |
| 22:51.22 | paulswm | :P |
| 22:51.31 | arfy | lol |
| 22:51.55 | paulswm | That is truly dreadful. |
| 22:52.05 | initech | check out the pictures of him on Conan O'Brien with Al Sharpton |
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| 22:52.33 | initech | Al Sharpton's like: "get this crazy cracker bitch out my face" |
| 22:52.38 | henryb | paulswm, the last picture isn't dreadful. the girl is ;) |
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| 22:53.03 | EvilSporkMan | henryb: i felt that the girl was the only redeeming feature of the page |
| 22:53.22 | paulswm | I agree with EvilSporkMan |
| 22:53.26 | henryb | EvilSporkMan, that's what i meant, i just can't talk |
| 22:53.27 | henryb | :) |
| 22:53.31 | initech | sorry about the link, but this is the summer of love, and i'm spreading the love |
| 22:53.54 | henryb | toonX, give in! you know you want to |
| 22:54.06 | toonX | no!! never!! |
| 22:54.34 | paulswm | OK, then if we're spreading the love, do it with a can of beans: http://static.stileproject.com/rnd/img/flapi33.jpg |
| 22:54.37 | toonX | i bet is somethin i won't get off my head for a long time |
| 22:54.52 | newbie02 | i tried to install sarge (netinst) and set up a software raid. -> 2 x 80 GB ide. both hard disks are attached to "pseudo" raid oboard controller (prmise fasttrack). writing the partition table always falures after writing the first partition, any ideas ? |
| 22:54.55 | initech | toonX: ok, well try this one then: http://pixyland.org/peterpan/photo_closeups_buny.htm |
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| 22:55.01 | henryb | toonX, definitely not like tubgirl or the goat guy... |
| 22:55.33 | henryb | what the shit, why do people do this exactly? |
| 22:56.07 | greycat | same reason they put frogs in little girls' dresses. to see the reaction. |
| 22:56.11 | initech | newbie02: nix the "psuedo" raid and use linux's software raid only. definitely don't use both |
| 22:56.32 | paulswm | God, initech, that's even more awful than the first one |
| 22:57.07 | henryb | yeah, i especially like the too-too girl in the background on the wall (http://pixyland.org/peterpan/Imagezz/Bunny3_1200h.jpg) |
| 22:57.23 | newbie02 | initech, "nix" ? |
| 22:57.23 | initech | err, himself |
| 22:57.31 | henryb | nix - get rid of |
| 22:57.36 | initech | newbie02: lose it. drop it. get rid of it. |
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| 22:58.13 | paulswm | The scary thing is that he obviously thinks it's all really cute and cool |
| 22:58.20 | henryb | 'pseudo' raid and 'onboard' raid is basically a crock imho. stick to software raid for a number of reasons - or better yet, no raid at all if you can't get real hardware |
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| 22:58.48 | empty | initech, you just fed my LJ, thanks :P |
| 22:58.52 | newbie02 | initech, i would like to use it as a normal ide controller and realise the raid only via the sarge installer. is that possible ? |
| 22:59.12 | initech | linux software raid is just fine. tested for 10+ years, and it works, and it's fast |
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| 22:59.33 | paulswm | In any case, raid is no substitute for backups, and if you put the mirro on the same controller, it'll probably screw the pooch anyway |
| 22:59.41 | Area-51 | could someone help me figure out "date"? i forgot how to format the output ^.^ |
| 22:59.52 | greycat | Area-51: man date; date --help |
| 22:59.56 | henryb | Area-51 'man date' is good |
| 22:59.58 | beardy | Area-51: man date |
| 23:00.06 | henryb | it's mandatory |
| 23:00.15 | initech | paulswm: heh, but then backups are no substitute for real time redundancy ... |
| 23:00.21 | Area-51 | i tried the man page, heh, but date -d %D doesnt do show |
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| 23:00.29 | Area-51 | err |
| 23:00.31 | Area-51 | doesnt do crap* |
| 23:00.32 | Area-51 | hehe |
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| 23:00.40 | Area-51 | im thinking of too many things at once |
| 23:00.41 | greycat | Area-51: because you used it wrong. read it again -- slowly. |
| 23:00.57 | Eulex | I am compiling a kernel, and I get warnings on some of the source files, for example moxa.c and init.c. Should I be worried? |
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| 23:01.05 | henryb | Eulex, warnings are fine |
| 23:01.07 | greycat | !custom kernel |
| 23:01.07 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
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| 23:01.27 | initech | man, is Theo de Rat an asshole or what? |
| 23:01.31 | newbie02 | initech and paulswm , i believe you both. but is there a possibility to use the "pseudo" raid controller as a normal ide controller and both harddisk attached to it for the software raid ? |
| 23:01.35 | Eulex | henryb, ok |
| 23:01.48 | initech | newbie02: sure, just set it up in the bios or whatever |
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| 23:02.24 | henryb | newbie02, there is on some boards, but i had to modify the kernel source (VERY small change) |
| 23:02.27 | initech | Theo de Rat and that Peter Pan dude should get together |
| 23:02.29 | henryb | newbie02, what kind of controller? |
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| 23:02.45 | Nukem | hi |
| 23:02.47 | newbie02 | henryb, promise mb fasttrack 133 |
| 23:02.55 | paulswm | newbie02: I don't do raid of any sort, I use my raid controller as normal IDE |
| 23:03.05 | Nukem | how I can change the SMTP PORT of Sendmail? |
| 23:03.12 | henryb | paulswm, there are some that cannot do anything other than raid 0/1/0+1 |
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| 23:03.19 | newbie02 | paulswm, so i would like but in combination with linux software raid |
| 23:03.28 | kreg | i use webmin in sarge. in webmin configuration, there are options for upgrading modules and webmin itself. does this talk to dpkg, or apt, or anything debian to keep up with? |
| 23:03.31 | henryb | newbie02, if it works, then software raid can use it |
| 23:03.34 | Eulex | henryb: I need 2.6.12 for some of my hw to function properly... |
| 23:03.39 | Area-51 | ok, im still not figuring it out and now im to the point of randomly trying things because something just isnt making sense with date |
| 23:03.42 | initech | newbie02: why combine it with software raid? it just confuses things |
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| 23:03.58 | Area-51 | date -d +D is what i fugred out the man page to be saying but it doesnt work |
| 23:04.00 | Nukem | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.01 | kreg | Nukem, i use webmin to configure sendmail |
| 23:04.01 | initech | newbie02: keep in mind the bios raid is "software" raid anyway |
| 23:04.03 | jonkri | i'm having a exim4+mailman2 problem on debian stable (sarge). when i send a mail to my dedikerad@lists.dedikerad.se list i get a "local delivery failed" error. this is my eximconfig [ http://www.devmodul.com/mmproblem/config.autogenerated ] and this is my aliases file [ http://www.devmodul.com/mmproblem/aliases ]. i've been trying to solve this problem for days, any help would be most appreciated |
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| 23:04.03 | paulswm | newbie02: you don't have to address me, I have no adivice to offer on software raid, I don'r use it |
| 23:04.04 | henryb | newbie02, you mean to *just* use the raid controller as a 'normal' ide controller, then do software raid with it right? |
| 23:04.19 | jasoncohen | Area-51, what are you trying to do? |
| 23:04.26 | Area-51 | jasoncohen: use date :P |
| 23:04.29 | Nukem | thanks |
| 23:04.47 | Area-51 | jasoncohen: use date to display the date in a certain way but i forgot how to make the formatting strings work right |
| 23:04.48 | jasoncohen | Area-51, what format do you want? |
| 23:04.57 | Area-51 | yearmonthday |
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| 23:05.12 | jasoncohen | date +%y-%m-%d |
| 23:05.21 | jasoncohen | or date +%y%m%d |
| 23:05.30 | empty | OK outta here to play with my new x config |
| 23:05.37 | Area-51 | jasoncohen: that was too easy :`( |
| 23:05.38 | empty | take care all |
| 23:05.42 | Area-51 | thanks |
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| 23:05.50 | jasoncohen | Area-51, np |
| 23:06.02 | jasoncohen | Area-51, and man date |
| 23:06.07 | jasoncohen | it'll show you all the options |
| 23:06.09 | greycat | jasoncohen: I prefer %Y over %y |
| 23:06.16 | Area-51 | jasoncohen: i tried man date but i couldnt make things click too well |
| 23:06.29 | greycat | !guidelines |
| 23:06.29 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't just repeat yourself; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 3) Read the FAQ and ask Google before asking us. 4) Reading technical documentation (man pages, info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots. See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or a web site, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
| 23:06.32 | jasoncohen | Area-51, heh, i know the feeling |
| 23:06.33 | Area-51 | im kinda retarded that way, i over thought the simple instructions :P |
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| 23:07.14 | newbie02 | henryb, thats what i would like to do |
| 23:07.25 | arfy | now, does %y show two digit years, while %Y shows 4-digit years? |
| 23:07.59 | jasoncohen | arafat, yes |
| 23:08.05 | paulswm | arfy: man date |
| 23:08.09 | arfy | ta |
| 23:08.12 | jasoncohen | Area-51, my problem was that i forgot the + |
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| 23:08.29 | Area-51 | ah |
| 23:09.00 | paulswm | Dammit, he left before I could throw a man page quote at him... |
| 23:09.02 | Area-51 | i did the "date -d %D" or "date -d +%D" and that didnt work out |
| 23:09.03 | paulswm | !qotd9 |
| 23:09.03 | dpkg | <caphuso> linagee: so, now would be a good time to start reading the fucking manual before i start fucking you |
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| 23:10.25 | tcsetattr | to see what -d is actually for, try date -d '10 years ago' +%Y |
| 23:10.31 | ralf | why there isn't 4KSTACK on amd64? |
| 23:10.52 | newbie02 | henryb, any ideas ? |
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| 23:11.02 | Area-51 | tcsetattr: nice |
| 23:11.24 | henryb | newbie02, well if you can see your hard drives at all when they are attached to the raid controller, no problem |
| 23:11.30 | tcsetattr | now take a look at "cal 9 1752" :) |
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| 23:11.37 | henryb | newbie02, use mdadm to get it all set up, read some FAQs and whatnot |
| 23:11.54 | henryb | newbie02, software raid's only requirement is that the drives can be used as normal devices |
| 23:12.02 | newbie02 | henryb, i will. thnx so far. cu |
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| 23:12.52 | paulswm | OT, somewhat disquieting: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/internet/06/14/china.microsoft.ap/index.html |
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| 23:13.00 | snowy` | hello |
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| 23:13.05 | snowy` | little problem |
| 23:13.12 | snowy` | i am installing debian on my laptop |
| 23:13.27 | snowy` | but when i try running Xserver |
| 23:13.33 | snowy` | i get an error |
| 23:13.43 | snowy` | i think my touchpad wasnt recognized |
| 23:14.00 | snowy` | in the autodetect dialog for a mouse it failed to do so |
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| 23:15.38 | toonX | paulswm about that cnn link, it's unbelievable! |
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| 23:15.55 | Eulex | !tell snowy` about smart questions |
| 23:16.16 | beardy | snowy`: Choose it manually then? |
| 23:16.18 | deadcat | snowy`: modprobe mousedev yet? |
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| 23:16.57 | Eulex | paulswm: that *is* scary |
| 23:17.08 | paulswm | toonX: Somone just reminded me that google censored its search results in the same way. It's a shame that US companies place money above their own nation's values, for which so many people have given their lives. |
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| 23:17.27 | gentgeen__ | Is there another way to get the DHCP server running on a different port, besides editing the /etc/init.d/dhcp script? |
| 23:17.31 | snowy` | how do i chose it manually? |
| 23:17.55 | tcsetattr | DHCP server on a different port? that's an odd requirement |
| 23:18.09 | leonel | any news about sarge security ? |
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| 23:18.26 | gentgeen__ | running ltsp, but have a different DHCP server then the LTSP server |
| 23:18.43 | Eulex | snowy`: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 23:18.45 | toonX | paulswm agree |
| 23:18.46 | jasoncohen | why isn't php 5 in sid? |
| 23:19.12 | deadcat | dont know |
| 23:19.15 | tcsetattr | well there's nothing inherently difficult or wrong about editing /etc/init.d/dhcp |
| 23:19.18 | beardy | snowy`: The same place where you were asked to autodetect it? |
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| 23:19.33 | toonX | paulswm though i don't live in the USA i don't agree with this policy |
| 23:19.33 | henryb | tcsetattr, just go to /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf and add 'port #;' in there...unless you are using a different server |
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| 23:19.50 | gentgeen__ | tcsetattr, I am just worried that it might be overwritten when DHCP is updated |
| 23:19.56 | gentgeen__ | or is that a non-issue |
| 23:20.05 | gtlarue | do the kernel images from synaptic come with the ide-scsi installed? |
| 23:20.07 | henryb | sorry tcsetattr i meant gentgeen__ |
| 23:20.25 | gtlarue | my current kernel doesnt have it, and I need to burn cd's |
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| 23:20.32 | ribnitz | gtlarue: ide-scsi is obsolete as of 2.6. |
| 23:20.32 | tcsetattr | it's in /etc therefore it's a config file and if there is an update you will be informed of the conflict and given teh opportunity to resolve it |
| 23:20.36 | henryb | gentgeen__, you should try to use config files not init scripts to change things. have you looked in /etc/dhcp*/*.conf ? |
| 23:20.37 | ribnitz | gtlarue: and yes. |
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| 23:20.45 | gentgeen__ | henryb, cool, did not realize it could go in there -- guess I need to find a new example to look at :-) |
| 23:21.02 | henryb | gentgeen__, try 'man dhcpd' and '/port' (search for port) |
| 23:21.04 | gentgeen__ | henryb, I knew that, but could not see anything |
| 23:21.16 | tcsetattr | I didn't know that either because I only have dhcpd version 2... |
| 23:21.19 | henryb | gentgeen__, use 'n' to move to the next instance of port. you will find examples and all sorts... |
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| 23:21.38 | gentgeen__ | the init script says it reads /etc/defaults/dhcp -- but that is only for the interfaces |
| 23:21.42 | gtlarue | I have a 2.6 kernel that complains about missing ide-scsi when i try to burn a cd |
| 23:21.44 | hinjo | I wanna move my debian to a different ide channel. do I just move it or do I have to set something before? |
| 23:21.45 | gtlarue | what gives |
| 23:22.04 | henryb | gtlarue, burning cds usually uses the scsi interface. so you gotta use it |
| 23:22.20 | henryb | gtlarue, try modprobing... |
| 23:22.29 | chops | gtlarue: ide-scsi is severely deprecated in 2.6 kernels I believe |
| 23:22.39 | chops | gtlarue: What device are you trying to burn to? |
| 23:22.44 | paulswm | toonX: someone tested it by trying to set up a blog titled "Supporting freedom, democracy and human rights" and got an error message back from msn saying that offensive language was not allowed. |
| 23:22.48 | henryb | chops oh, didn't know, i'll shut up:) |
| 23:22.48 | furrywolf | ide-scsi is not to be used with 2.6... |
| 23:23.05 | chops | (i.e. is it /dev/hdc or /dev/sda?) |
| 23:23.16 | gtlarue | so why does xcdroast keep complainint about my atapi cd burner? |
| 23:23.17 | paulswm | </rant> |
| 23:23.58 | furrywolf | paulswm: should I give my rant on how 99% of humans are greedy, selfish, etc? :) |
| 23:23.59 | gtlarue | do I need to install a new kernel in order to burn cd's? or is there another way |
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| 23:24.22 | ribnitz | gtlarue: scanbus -dev=ATA: .. |
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| 23:24.45 | chops | gtlarue: You shouldn't, no. Can you see in the settings if you're burning to /dev/sda or /dev/hdc (or something else)? I'm not familiar with xcdroast. |
| 23:24.53 | gtlarue | bash: scanbus: command not found |
| 23:25.26 | beardy | furrywolf: It's probaby not necessary, or maybe it is exactly that.. rant away. |
| 23:25.43 | gtlarue | hmm, ill try and find out which device it is |
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| 23:26.20 | paulswm | furrywolf: Nah, if we get too much into rants, stranger will join and tell us again about how the goverment, rich Jewish judges and psychiatrists are conspiring against him :) |
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| 23:26.31 | furrywolf | lol |
| 23:26.52 | gtlarue | xcdroast does not tell me, it just knows the make and model fo the burner but not the /dev name |
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| 23:27.44 | chops | gtlarue: Huh. Sec, lemme look at xcdroast's interface. |
| 23:27.52 | gtlarue | then it whines that it is missing scsi emulation |
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| 23:29.02 | K_Dallas | gtlarue, would you please repose your question, problem? |
| 23:29.07 | chops | gtlarue: That was a valid complaint with 2.4 kernels, but 2.6 ones can and should burn without using the SCSI emulation crap layer. |
| 23:29.08 | beardy | gtlarue: xcdroast is frontend to cdrecord, isn't it? Has it been updated since scsi emulation was not needed anymore? |
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| 23:29.26 | beardy | +a |
| 23:29.26 | chops | K_Dallas: He's trying to burn a CD on a 2.6 kernel and xcdroast is telling him to enable ide-scsi. |
| 23:29.34 | chops | (and also refusing to work) |
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| 23:29.52 | K_Dallas | it is not needed as far as i know and xcdroast is ooooold |
| 23:30.00 | K_Dallas | why not k3b? or cdrecord in the first place? |
| 23:30.10 | paulswm | furrywolf: I owe you an apology for being offensive to you once, by the way. |
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| 23:30.29 | harmlessj | MSG dpkg apt-sources |
| 23:30.33 | harmlessj | ugh |
| 23:30.35 | harmlessj | sorry |
| 23:31.10 | chops | Yeah, or gtoaster |
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| 23:31.49 | initech | it doesn't matter ... xcdroast should not be telling him to use ide-scsi it he is under 2.6, that's a bug, plain and simple |
| 23:31.54 | K_Dallas | the only gui burner i feel pretty comfortable with is nero (under windows) that is why i am getting use to mkisofs and cdrecord ;) |
| 23:32.08 | gtlarue | I am not sure if cdrecord was updated before scs0 was no longer needed |
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| 23:32.19 | chops | initech: Agreed. I always just use mkisofs/cdrecord because every GUI frontend I tried was crap. |
| 23:32.20 | gtlarue | what other way can I burn from an iso file if it hasnt |
| 23:32.21 | martrootamm | Hi. |
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| 23:32.32 | greycat | gtlarue: you could run a stable kernel? |
| 23:32.40 | gtlarue | i also have gcombust |
| 23:33.05 | chops | gtlarue: 'cdrecord isofile.iso' should work, I believe. |
| 23:33.12 | jbmigel | does anyone know why my alsa configured 2.6.8 sarge workstation cant manage 2 sounds at once? like when playing xmms songs then flash sounds wont work on web pages?? |
| 23:33.19 | harmlessj | mm, i must be dumb today; could someone point me to resources that will tell me sane things to put in my apt sources.list ? |
| 23:33.32 | martrootamm | When in xterm, I can see colours in bash and I know some colours represent what a directory entry means. Does anyone know where to look at more precisely? man bash and a simple google search for "bash color label definitions" didn't help much. |
| 23:33.32 | jasoncohen | i just did apt-get dist-upgrade on my father's box and it showed base-config held back. i did apt-get install base-config and it upgraded fine. it just had to remove tasksel. doesn't apt-get dist-upgrade remove conflicts automatically? |
| 23:33.37 | paulswm | Have a safe night, you all, I'm gone. |
| 23:33.47 | furrywolf | cyas |
| 23:33.49 | beardy | chops: Don't you even have to give it a device anymore? (haven't used a later version of cdrecord on 2.6) |
| 23:33.52 | ethics | jbmigel, you need to set up dmix |
| 23:33.58 | initech | harmlessj: all you need is the official debian stuff, then the marrillat stuff (for multimedia) |
| 23:34.20 | chops | jbmigel: Flash doesn't support alsa properly, see 'alsa-oss' package and run your web browser under aoss. yes, it sucks. Blame macromedia. |
| 23:34.41 | initech | flash with no sound is actually a blessing I think :) |
| 23:34.49 | gvandora | exit |
| 23:34.56 | initech | 'cept for the badgers thing |
| 23:34.58 | harmlessj | initech: i don't know what the current "official debian stuff" is, though; this is an oldish machine whose sources.list is messed up (mirrors that no longer exist, etc) |
| 23:35.29 | harmlessj | also should have an oss compatibility module by default, no? |
| 23:35.50 | Mardus | Anyone know references to bash colour labels and what they mean? |
| 23:35.59 | chops | beardy: I'm not sure, actually. |
| 23:36.08 | jbmigel | chomps that is interesting but its not only flash, for instance totem also will not sound while xmms working... I think dmix is what i need as ethics said |
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| 23:36.41 | chops | jbmigel: Hm, I know nothing of this dmix you speak of and flash+xmms sound mixes properly for me. YMMV. |
| 23:36.49 | ethics | jbmigel, its and alsa plugin you need to do some crap in /etc/asound ill find a link to it for you |
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| 23:38.12 | paulswm | Mardus: man dircolors, info dircolors |
| 23:38.13 | jbmigel | chops ya i just noticed it today, I know it used to work on my other computer before i put it in the closet as server, maybe the integrated sound on this board is shit |
| 23:38.25 | chops | gtlarue: Actually, you would get more mileage out of reading the cdrecord man page than out of my random guesses. I don't have a 2.6 machine with burner handy ATM... |
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| 23:38.55 | lobo_nz | Hi, I have been preparing to upgrade to sarge from a standard woody install, I have been following the instructions in the release notes but after updating woody, aptitude now gives this error: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libpthread.so.0: invalid ELF header I cant find any solution on the net so far so any ideas would be great. |
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| 23:39.13 | ethics | jbmigel, http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin about halfway down is the new setings you need for some apps so you can figure out |
| 23:39.16 | chops | cdrecord is definitely the way-that-doesn't-suck for burning ISOs though |
| 23:39.30 | K_Dallas | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.35 | ethics | i have it working pretty good accross about 9 apps atm |
| 23:39.51 | harmlessj | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.55 | K_Dallas | cdrecord is so smooth in burning isos that i even use it under windows ;) |
| 23:39.56 | lobo_nz | K_Dallas: not really I am doing over ssh |
| 23:40.02 | greycat | lobo_nz: #debian-boot may have more clueful people about weird upgrade problems |
| 23:40.08 | K_Dallas | ok, just asking ;) i love fresh installs |
| 23:40.12 | harmlessj | lobo:nz: also, check your harddrive - file corruption is bad |
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| 23:40.44 | gtlarue | cdrecord is giving my cannot find scsi driver errors |
| 23:40.46 | greycat | harmlessj: um. There is no "libpthread package". |
| 23:40.49 | lobo_nz | thanks everyone I will try those suggestions and get back to you all with any results :) |
| 23:40.50 | beardy | Mardus: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/x329.html (google knows) |
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| 23:41.18 | greycat | gtlarue: are you on linux 2.6? if so, "cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA:" I think. |
| 23:41.25 | harmlessj | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.30 | Mardus | paulswm: Looks like I found what I needed. Thanks. |
| 23:41.31 | greycat | harmlessj: libc6, dude., |
| 23:41.32 | Mardus | exit |
| 23:41.38 | greycat | harmlessj: dpkg knows. |
| 23:41.47 | gtlarue | yeah im using 2.6 |
| 23:41.48 | K_Dallas | gtlarue, would you do: cdrecord -scanbus:ATAPI or something like that? |
| 23:41.55 | greycat | (at least, it's libc6 on i386. may be something else on other arches) |
| 23:42.05 | harmlessj | greycat: then that is a world of suck :( |
| 23:42.08 | greycat | K_Dallas: ATA not ATAPI. The latter is deprecated now. (Don't ask.) |
| 23:42.17 | K_Dallas | ok :) |
| 23:42.35 | K_Dallas | cdrecord -dev=ATA -scanbus |
| 23:42.56 | K_Dallas | lol :) |
| 23:42.59 | K_Dallas | !lol |
| 23:42.59 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
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| 23:43.27 | greycat | lies, all lies. |
| 23:43.32 | jasoncohen | doesn't apt-get dist-upgrade automatically remove conflicts and download new dependencies for packages? i ran apt-get dist-upgrade on my father's etch box and it held back base-config. apt-get install base-config upgraded fine by removing tasksel |
| 23:43.37 | beardy | a penguin? wasn't it something else before.. |
| 23:43.45 | greycat | it's randomized |
| 23:43.59 | Zrin | it seems that ATA != ATAPI for cdrecord |
| 23:44.01 | greycat | jasoncohen: it's *supposed* to... |
| 23:44.06 | greycat | Zrin: correct |
| 23:44.10 | jasoncohen | worked fine on my machine |
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| 23:44.50 | gtlarue | cdrecord: No tracks allowed with this option |
| 23:44.56 | gtlarue | cdrecord: No tracks allowed with this option |
| 23:45.08 | gtlarue | eek, sorry for the repeater |
| 23:45.16 | K_Dallas | dont worry |
| 23:45.25 | gtlarue | but it still not working |
| 23:45.26 | Zrin | cdrecord: ATA: "Using badly designed ATAPI..." ATAPI: "Using ATA Packet interface." |
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| 23:45.54 | K_Dallas | Zrin, i got the same error |
| 23:46.01 | K_Dallas | i use atapi with no problem |
| 23:46.11 | Zrin | K_Dallas me too |
| 23:46.14 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 23:46.15 | black13 | what is debian "etch" |
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| 23:46.20 | Zrin | K_Dallas on 2.4 |
| 23:46.22 | black13 | is this a testing release? |
| 23:46.22 | K_Dallas | black13, the new testing |
| 23:46.30 | greycat | !etch |
| 23:46.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 23:46.33 | K_Dallas | Zrin, i am on 2.6.8 though |
| 23:46.51 | Zrin | K_Dallas: since I was not able to turn scsi emulation on :-( |
| 23:46.52 | K_Dallas | how distant is etch from srage? |
| 23:47.04 | black13 | K_Dallas, i have used deboostrap and some scripts of my own to make a bootable cd, which seems to work ok |
| 23:47.04 | shingouz | K_Dallas: getting further all the time |
| 23:47.10 | SDFH_Linux | what are the ap-get repositories that are there when you install debian stable/sarge |
| 23:47.10 | K_Dallas | :) of course |
| 23:47.15 | SDFH_Linux | what are they? |
| 23:47.19 | K_Dallas | hello shingouz btw |
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| 23:47.45 | shingouz | K_Dallas: ekto gamat (or whatever that is) |
| 23:47.47 | black13 | K_Dallas, but can debian etch be installed that is is there an iso for debian etch? |
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| 23:48.07 | shingouz | K_Dallas: why not marillat instead? easier :p |
| 23:48.33 | K_Dallas | shingouz, it does not have all the flags in its binary |
| 23:48.45 | green_earz | SDFH_Linux: run apt-setup and you be able to see a list of debian mirrors |
| 23:48.50 | K_Dallas | besides, i always wanted to do it in the stable sarge :) |
| 23:48.51 | shingouz | K_Dallas: ok, so you want to have all the bells and whistles |
| 23:48.57 | K_Dallas | exactly ;) |
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| 23:49.12 | gtlarue | do I need to alter any config files to make cdrecord work? |
| 23:49.42 | K_Dallas | gtlarue, did you try: cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus? |
| 23:49.49 | gtlarue | yeah |
| 23:49.53 | K_Dallas | got errors? |
| 23:49.57 | gtlarue | is give me errors and doesnt burn |
| 23:50.15 | K_Dallas | didnt it tell you about your CD drive? something like 0,0,0 |
| 23:50.25 | gtlarue | cdrecord: No tracks allowed with this option |
| 23:50.26 | gtlarue | Usage: cdrecord [options] track1...trackn |
| 23:50.33 | black13 | im still confused where would i get an iso image for debian etch |
| 23:50.37 | K_Dallas | old version i guess |
| 23:50.38 | Zrin | gtlarue do you want tu burn CDs or DVDs? |
| 23:50.45 | gtlarue | cd's |
| 23:50.47 | black13 | sorry if this is a dense question |
| 23:51.11 | K_Dallas | black13, i think you have to get netinstall, install a minimal sarge and add etch repos to your sources list and upgrade but i might be wrong |
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| 23:51.48 | jasoncohen | btw, when did testing change from 3.1 to testing/unstable |
| 23:51.49 | black13 | K_Dallas, then modify the /etc/apt/sources.list to point to testing? |
| 23:51.54 | jasoncohen | cat /etc/debian_version shows testing/unstable. it showed 3.1 a few days ago |
| 23:51.58 | beardy | black13: You don't. Use the sarge netinstaller and change your apt sources to what you like when you have installed it. (know what you are doing though) |
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| 23:52.02 | K_Dallas | yes |
| 23:52.04 | green_earz | gtlarue: dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord and pick the option to let user use cdrecord |
| 23:52.11 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 23:52.21 | gtlarue | sure, ill give that a try |
| 23:52.41 | greycat | jasoncohen: Here There Be Dragons. |
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| 23:52.54 | black13 | well thank god for vmware |
| 23:53.24 | green_earz | SDFH_Linux: have you found the list of mirrors ? with apt-setup |
| 23:53.34 | black13 | i can trash this and start over |
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| 23:54.05 | ethics | black13, what are you on atm? |
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| 23:54.13 | gtlarue | error still remains afer reconfigure |
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| 23:54.27 | black13 | ethics, atm? |
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| 23:54.38 | black13 | asynchronous transaction mode |
| 23:54.46 | swim | where does apt-get install kernel-source-xxxx put the tarball? |
| 23:54.48 | ethics | etm - at the moment |
| 23:54.55 | vorlon | lobo_nz: what architecture are you experiencing this shared library problem on? |
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| 23:55.26 | SDFH_Linux | yep |
| 23:55.36 | gtlarue | this is getting pretty frustrating, im tempted to switch kernels |
| 23:55.38 | chops | swim: /usr/src |
| 23:55.45 | gtlarue | because I was able to burn with 2.4 |
| 23:55.51 | gtlarue | after making a few changes |
| 23:55.51 | swim | chops, thats what I thought but its not in there |
| 23:55.52 | OldakQuill | Could someone recommend an archiving tool? Ark doesn't seem to work half of the time |
| 23:55.52 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 23:55.52 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 23:56.04 | green_earz | SDFH_Linux: the http mirrors seem to give a better download speed. and have a look at trickle so you can control the downlaod speed. trickle -d 20 apt-get install package-name |
| 23:56.05 | beardy | OldakQuill: tar |
| 23:56.15 | chops | swim: dpkg -L kernel-source-2.6.8 or whatever |
| 23:56.16 | lobo_nz | vorlon: i386 |
| 23:56.22 | chops | swim: It's in /usr/src, though :-) |
| 23:56.30 | swim | if it were there I would |
| 23:56.37 | black13 | ethics, sorry i didnt get the comment |
| 23:56.47 | vorlon | lobo_nz: do you have the 'debsums' tool installed, and does it report any problems for "debsums -s libc6"? |
| 23:56.49 | SDFH_Linux | you can control the download speed how? |
| 23:56.54 | lobo_nz | vorlon: it seems that libc6 upgrade replaced libpthread.so.0 with a text file |
| 23:56.55 | chops | swim: No, dpkg -L takes a package name as argument. Not a file. |
| 23:56.59 | OldakQuill | Tar is a peice of software? |
| 23:57.09 | greycat | !info tar sarge |
| 23:57.10 | ethics | black13, what version of debian are you atm? you are going to trash it? |
| 23:57.14 | dpkg | tar: (GNU tar), section base, is required. Version: 1.14-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 487 kB, Installed size: 1416 kB |
| 23:57.17 | swim | weird i had to remove it and re apt-get install it before it appeared in /usr/src |
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| 23:57.22 | greycat | wow, great description. |
| 23:57.28 | lobo_nz | I copied a backup of libpthread.so.0 back into lib and now aptitude works, but it concearns me I dont know the real problem |
| 23:57.29 | pngwn | heh |
| 23:57.31 | greycat | (typical GNU stupidity) |
| 23:57.36 | black13 | ethics, i got the netinstall |
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| 23:57.53 | aarkerio | somebody has debian on Apple G5? |
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| 23:58.03 | vorlon | lobo_nz: uh... that's not supposed to happen. :) And I've never seen it happen, either; sounds like a phase-of-the-moon thing on your system that's probably not diagnosable. |
| 23:58.11 | greycat | aarkerio: #debianppc |
| 23:58.16 | ethics | black then you are prolly on sarge to go to etch is easy atm |
| 23:58.21 | beardy | greycat: What do you mean? |
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| 23:58.59 | greycat | beardy: "tar == GNU tar" is not a useful description of the program. |
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| 23:59.22 | greycat | tar stands for Tape ARchiver. It's a traditional Unix archiving program that writes files to tapes (and restores them). |
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| 23:59.36 | linux_trojan | anyone help me out with NX ? |
| 23:59.40 | lobo_nz | vorlon: there was only a couple of similar problems on google, the text files is here http://blender.formworks.co.nz/libpthread.so.0.txt |
| 23:59.43 | greycat | it uses a 10k block size and defaults to the system tape drive (/dev/rmt/0m or whatever) on Unix boxes. |
| 23:59.57 | greycat | except on AIX, where it defaults to the floppy drive for some obscure reason |
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