| 00:00.00 | shingouz | monolith: dont |
| 00:00.01 | Teufel | teufel: so that line will work? =P |
| 00:00.09 | shingouz | !tell monolith about drxx |
| 00:00.21 | monolith | shingouz: hm |
| 00:00.25 | shingouz | yup |
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| 00:00.27 | shingouz | works too |
| 00:00.30 | monolith | ok |
| 00:00.31 | kbrooks | i think it sux |
| 00:00.33 | kbrooks | ewwww |
| 00:00.42 | kbrooks | black and white |
| 00:00.49 | kbrooks | so monochrome |
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| 00:01.00 | Mez | ok, getting an error on boot |
| 00:01.02 | shingouz | kbrooks: not enough blingbling for you? :p |
| 00:01.09 | Phated | shingouz: Obviously. |
| 00:01.12 | Mez | pivot_root: No such file or directroy |
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| 00:01.18 | kbrooks | shingouz: i'll go deep into it |
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| 00:01.31 | Mez | /sbin/: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such fileinit |
| 00:01.38 | Mez | Kernel Panic: attempted to kill iniy |
| 00:01.41 | monolith | "radeon" is not listed as an option in drxx |
| 00:01.45 | b0ef | any tools to change the icon of a binary? |
| 00:01.55 | shingouz | kbrooks: tape a wunderbaum on the monitor and it should help a bit ;) |
| 00:02.00 | Mez | any idesa? |
| 00:02.04 | thomas_adam | b0ef: Depends on the WM -- some WMs can override them. |
| 00:02.22 | shingouz | monolith: isnt there anything that looks remotely like ati? |
| 00:02.41 | monolith | "ati" |
| 00:02.45 | monolith | which is what i used in the first place |
| 00:02.46 | monolith | ;) |
| 00:02.49 | kbrooks | dselect rules.... |
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| 00:02.57 | b0ef | thomas_adam: yes, but I want to change the icon in the binary |
| 00:02.59 | shingouz | monolith: that is the one then. you just need to up the resolutions there a bit |
| 00:03.00 | directhex | "ati" loads the approperiate sub-driver automatically |
| 00:03.04 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: Is there a reason why you use Debian/ |
| 00:03.05 | ricky_clarkson | ? |
| 00:03.15 | b0ef | thomas_adam: I want to put an svg in there |
| 00:03.18 | monolith | shingouz: yes, as i said |
| 00:03.22 | MobyTurbo | monolith: your monitor settings are probably at fault then |
| 00:03.26 | monolith | nope |
| 00:03.29 | daxiang | kbrooks: well it has its uses. E.g. when updating the list of available packages, which apt/aptitude don |
| 00:03.32 | MobyTurbo | monolith: or the selection of resolutions |
| 00:03.33 | monolith | i'm looking at the XF86Config-4 file now |
| 00:03.34 | monolith | it's fine |
| 00:03.34 | daxiang | don't do |
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| 00:03.44 | monolith | it's the modes lines |
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| 00:03.48 | thomas_adam | b0ef: Ah right -- if the binary is EWMH aware, then it will set an XAtom within it which contains the static pixmap it uses to generate it. Other than that, you'll have to use a hex editor. |
| 00:03.49 | shingouz | monolith: if you edit it dpkg cannot reconfigure it again |
| 00:03.51 | monolith | they only go up to 800x600 |
| 00:03.57 | MobyTurbo | monolith: if you edit it by hand drxx won't work anymore |
| 00:04.06 | monolith | well how do i tell dpkg to stfu and give me something higher than 800x600 |
| 00:04.06 | monolith | :P |
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| 00:04.13 | greyson | daxiang, Have you tried 'apt-get update' (not upgrade) |
| 00:04.29 | cbr | is dist-upgrade better than upgrade? |
| 00:04.33 | shingouz | monolith: you sure you have the monitor configured correctly? horiz and vert sync? |
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| 00:04.37 | bucky | monolith, its an option in that braindead ncurses dialog |
| 00:04.41 | MobyTurbo | monolith: that's because you didn't select higher resolutions in drxx, drxx defaults to only 800x600 640x480 unless you add the higher resolutions |
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| 00:04.44 | monolith | shingouz: it was auto-detected |
| 00:04.50 | monolith | (the monitor) |
| 00:04.51 | erjeee | Hi everybody, I need to upgrade my kernel apparently |
| 00:04.55 | monolith | trying that drxx thing again :) |
| 00:05.03 | b0ef | thomas_adam: hmm, never heard of it; seems like a black art just to change the icon |
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| 00:05.09 | Mez | hye, I'm getting a problem that the kernel cannot open dev/console... any ideas? |
| 00:05.12 | MobyTurbo | monolith: then autodetection is broke, which is the case on some monitors. |
| 00:05.21 | thomas_adam | b0ef: see man xprop, and see the ICCCM guide. |
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| 00:05.29 | shingouz | Mez: that a real debian kernel? |
| 00:05.29 | bucky | monolith, /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 00:05.34 | thomas_adam | b0ef: But that's usually for certain apps only. |
| 00:05.42 | Mez | shingouz |
| 00:05.46 | shingouz | bucky: he already knows abou that one ;) |
| 00:05.49 | Mez | yes... it's one that the debian isntaller installed anyways |
| 00:06.04 | plugwash | anyone know what the big plans are for etch yet? |
| 00:06.20 | bucky | monolith, did you catch that /msg in another window when shingouz sent it to you |
| 00:06.20 | erjeee | Hi everybody, I need to upgrade my kernel apparently How do I do that? I have AMD64-k8 kernel, what's the newest version of that? Also, I have a USB HDD but when I try to mount it, it says bad filesystem. I know that the filesystem is good. How do I fix that? |
| 00:06.22 | ricky_clarkson | plugwash: To get it released before we all die of old age? |
| 00:06.26 | Mez | shingouz - yes, it's a sarge kernel |
| 00:06.28 | shingouz | Mez: i am not sure how to configure grub in the first place, much less so that it can work on a usb drive |
| 00:06.36 | thomas_adam | erjeee: One question at a time, please. |
| 00:06.36 | directhex | erjeee, uname -r |
| 00:06.41 | Mez | shingouz - thats not the probelm anymore :D I got that sorted |
| 00:06.42 | b0ef | thomas_adam: thanks for the pointers; i'll look at that |
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| 00:06.47 | mtnman | <thomas_adam> b0ef: see man xprop, and see the ICCCM guide. |
| 00:06.48 | mtnman | *>* pureone (~pureone@host217-42-9-142.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) has |
| 00:06.48 | mtnman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.48 | mtnman | <shingouz> Mez: that a real debian kernel? |
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| 00:06.51 | plugwash | ricky_clarkson lol |
| 00:07.00 | pureone | :| |
| 00:07.08 | Mez | shingouz, now trying to boot to it - I'm getting an error. I remember somehting in the install about console probelms |
| 00:07.11 | Mez | where cna i finds the install log |
| 00:07.41 | kbrooks | heh. |
| 00:08.14 | kbrooks | ummm. any console games? |
| 00:08.15 | Phated | moon-buggy. |
| 00:08.15 | bucky | erjeee, 2.6.8-11 if you run Sid amd64 |
| 00:08.36 | cbr | 2.6.11 is the newest in sid? |
| 00:08.43 | greycat | cbr: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:08.46 | directhex | cbr, yes, it is |
| 00:08.47 | erjeee | I'm on sarge amd64. I need 2.6.10 to get my onboard sound to work I read. |
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| 00:08.49 | bucky | cbr, 2.6.8-11 if you run Sid amd64 |
| 00:08.53 | SDFH_Linux | no 2.6.12 in the servers yet? |
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| 00:09.00 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: use aptitude and poke around -- god forbid you should learn to use the tools ar your disposal. |
| 00:09.00 | greycat | SDFH_Linux: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:09.02 | Eulex | erjeee, fdisk -l |
| 00:09.06 | Mez | hmm |
| 00:09.08 | Mez | Setting up console-data (2002.12.04dbs-49) ... |
| 00:09.08 | Mez | Looking for keymap to install: |
| 00:09.08 | Mez | NONE |
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| 00:09.16 | directhex | erjeee, either install a .deb (use packages.debian.org to search), or do a sid/sarge mix |
| 00:09.16 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: okay |
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| 00:09.25 | monolith | much better now |
| 00:09.26 | monolith | whee :) |
| 00:09.29 | kbrooks | Mez: thats normal |
| 00:09.34 | Mez | fair enough |
| 00:09.36 | daxiang | greycat: not dpkg search, but apt-file search (at least if it's not installed yet) |
| 00:09.37 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: No. |
| 00:09.38 | shingouz | monolith: 91827391872x1827361826? :) |
| 00:09.41 | bucky | kbrooks, /join #debian-chit_chat |
| 00:09.43 | Mez | so why is it saying cannot find /deev/console when trying to boot ? |
| 00:09.43 | Eulex | monolith, than what+ |
| 00:09.45 | Eulex | ? |
| 00:09.49 | greycat | daxiang: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:09.53 | greycat | !sing sunday |
| 00:09.54 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 00:09.58 | cbr | bucky: ah, sry, didn't catch the arch |
| 00:10.05 | ricky_clarkson | Thankfully it's Monday in Europe. |
| 00:10.07 | erjeee | can I do apt-get install kernel-tree-2.6.11 or something like that? |
| 00:10.10 | thomas_adam | 01:10 -- Monday now. |
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| 00:10.14 | shingouz | dpkg: amen to that, i need a smoke now |
| 00:10.16 | daxiang | greycat: sorry. you're right |
| 00:10.17 | kbrooks | heh |
| 00:10.20 | Mez | hmm |
| 00:10.20 | thomas_adam | erjeee: Why dont you try it and see>? |
| 00:10.21 | kbrooks | saturday now |
| 00:10.29 | kbrooks | sunday* |
| 00:10.32 | bucky | ricky_clarkson, but 'it's sunday somewhere' |
| 00:10.35 | directhex | erjeee, you can fucking LISTEN to what you are told, or go away. i'm SICK and TIRED of people who CLAIM they want help, but don't take it |
| 00:10.40 | shingouz | here at least |
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| 00:10.48 | Eulex | ricky_clarkson, yeah, 2:10am here :) |
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| 00:10.50 | monolith | shinqouz: 1900x1200 |
| 00:10.57 | monolith | much better than 800x600 :P |
| 00:11.01 | ricky_clarkson | 1:10am here |
| 00:11.02 | shingouz | Eulex: don't complain, past three here |
| 00:11.16 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Any progress in life? |
| 00:11.22 | Eulex | shingouz, hehe |
| 00:11.26 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: No. It's all down hill. |
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| 00:11.33 | cheal | I'm trying to reply to a message in a debian.org list using thunderbird. could somebody explain me how to verify that the reply trigerred by clicking a mailto link like mailto:debian-devel@lists.debian.org?In-Reply-To=<pan.2005.06.13.18.00.29.48411@debian.org>&Subject=Re:%20wiki.debian.net brokenness? takes in account the In-Reply-To param in the link? the problem is that I'm not subscribed to the list |
| 00:11.35 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Must be a shallow slope. |
| 00:11.52 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: I don't think so -- this bottom feels rocky. |
| 00:11.56 | erjeee | Because I don't want my computer broken? Directhex, all I was told was to do a sid/sarge mix and I don't know how to do that. And I'm not disregarding, I'm just trying to see if that way I saw on a forum would work. |
| 00:12.15 | shingouz | forums suck |
| 00:12.26 | directhex | !tell erjeee about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 00:12.49 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: I'm about to dump my gf. ;( |
| 00:12.50 | cheal | ur |
| 00:13.00 | cheal | IMO mailing lists do |
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| 00:13.13 | erjeee | so doing that will let me upgrade my kernel? |
| 00:13.17 | kbrooks | would a mix like that be supported, directhex? |
| 00:13.22 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Why? |
| 00:13.26 | bucky | erjeee, it's always a good idea to upgrade from the install kernel in debian to get things to work |
| 00:13.37 | monolith | when using aptitude, and i + on something is see/want, does it automtically select the "suggested" packages too? or do i need to + those as well? |
| 00:13.48 | chalenged | erjeee: did it say why you needed the higher kernel? |
| 00:13.50 | b0ef | thomas_adam: yup, got it; stored in gconf |
| 00:13.50 | shingouz | automagic, man |
| 00:13.52 | directhex | kbrooks, by whom? it mostly works, it was generally for the late days of sarge-testing, wqhen some packages were not in sarge, but would work fine (e.g. nvidia) |
| 00:14.01 | thomas_adam | b0ef: Quite. |
| 00:14.06 | kbrooks | directhex: anyone. |
| 00:14.10 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Boredom, (her) lack of respect, (my) wandering eyes, (her) incredible lack of reason at times. |
| 00:14.12 | directhex | kbrooks, i use the above to have a 2.6.11 kernel on sarge |
| 00:14.15 | monolith | shingouz: was that automagic for me? :P |
| 00:14.18 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Ah. |
| 00:14.18 | shingouz | yes |
| 00:14.26 | monolith | oki, thx :) |
| 00:14.27 | b0ef | thomas_adam: atleast for apps that use gconf |
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| 00:14.45 | shingouz | monolith: it is still slow enough to talk on the channle without the nicks ;) |
| 00:14.50 | b0ef | thomas_adam: maybe just need to add an entry, somewhere |
| 00:14.53 | bucky | erjeee, have you even apt-cache search kernel-image to see what's available? |
| 00:15.18 | kbrooks | erjeee: yeah! don't be lazy. |
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| 00:15.32 | monolith | shingouz: forgive me, not used to this yet :P |
| 00:15.40 | chalenged | 2.6.11-4 i think is in etch....the -4 may be different now a few days ago i recompiled mine so i stoped looking 8) |
| 00:15.43 | erjeee | I need to upgrade from 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 to at least 2.6.10 to get onboard nForce 3 sound to work I read. Sorru guys, I don't know how to do anything. I've had Debian for three days :p |
| 00:15.43 | shingouz | monolith: hehehe.. you will get used to thins |
| 00:15.46 | monolith | would you midn too horribly if i pmsg'd you? |
| 00:15.47 | greyson | chalenged, probably for the same reason i did... to get libc upgraded. |
| 00:15.49 | monolith | mind |
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| 00:15.58 | monolith | i had some general questions but they might upset some people here :) |
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| 00:16.04 | shingouz | monolith: i am not too happy about pm's |
| 00:16.16 | monolith | ok, i won't then |
| 00:16.18 | cheal | erjeee: get sid's 2.6.22 |
| 00:16.21 | cheal | erjeee: get sid's 2.6.11 |
| 00:16.39 | chalenged | greyson: nah i compiled my own due to a sata/ide bug.... |
| 00:16.44 | cheal | chalenged: where do you see 2.6.11 in etch? |
| 00:17.01 | chalenged | cheal: it was there 4 days ago... |
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| 00:17.21 | chalenged | cheal: there was no source tho just image and headers |
| 00:17.21 | cheal | chalenged: I'm surprised |
| 00:17.33 | directhex | erjeee, are you incapable of following tyhe instructions sent to you by etch? or the original instruction to download & install a 2.6.11 package from packages.debian.org ? |
| 00:17.42 | cheal | chalenged: ah...strange |
| 00:17.43 | chalenged | cheal : in fact it came with the 798 odd packages the first etch update |
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| 00:18.12 | chalenged | source may have lived in sid still but it was not the same revision i think...i ended up with pristines i thnk |
| 00:18.19 | cheal | there's indeed 2.6.11-5 in etch |
| 00:18.28 | cheal | I mean i386 images |
| 00:18.36 | Chris- | is it normal for the network install cd to 'fail' burning 5 times in a row? |
| 00:18.39 | erjeee | okay, how do I get sid's 2.6.11? directhex sent me how to do a quick sid/sarge mix through dpkg, which I don't understand and don't think covers this anyway. All I need is the package? Directhex, I guess I am incapable, sorry. |
| 00:18.56 | kobs | Chris-: throw your cd burner in the trash |
| 00:18.58 | cheal | erjeee: it covers it |
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| 00:19.08 | Chris- | T_T I wrote to optorite |
| 00:19.11 | meppl | gute nacht - good night |
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| 00:19.49 | directhex | erjeee, see the big glowy thing in front of you? that's a monitor. wiggle the plastic thing with a tail ("mouse"), untiil you're in a web browser. go to packages.debian.org in said web browser. type "kernel-image-2.6.11" in the search box, and set the Distribution to "unstable" |
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| 00:20.12 | Sorush20 | hi guys anyone here know how to use test disk |
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| 00:20.22 | kbrooks | directhex: i think you are crazy. |
| 00:20.28 | thomas_adam | Sorush20: Nope. |
| 00:20.36 | greycat | !anyone know |
| 00:20.36 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 00:20.49 | directhex | kbrooks, i think i'm hot, tired, and unable to sleep/. |
| 00:20.51 | kobs | Chris-: check the md5sum |
| 00:20.59 | kbrooks | di |
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| 00:21.02 | Chris- | the iso passed |
| 00:21.02 | Eulex | !tell Sorush20 about smart questions |
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| 00:21.12 | kbrooks | directhex: get a fan and run it |
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| 00:21.28 | dummie | !tell dummie about smart questions |
| 00:21.30 | Rockret | I made install debian 3.1 and was checking with http://scan.sygate.com/tcpscan.html that exist one port vulnerable (no reason to be open) port number 657 (no service) |
| 00:21.35 | directhex | kbrooks, on my to-do list, but not many places in the village sell fans at 1:21 AM |
| 00:21.55 | jetx | anybody ever notice that a default sarge install w/discover-hotplug loads ALL the ide modules? |
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| 00:22.03 | jetx | after it's all installed i mean |
| 00:22.06 | directhex | jetx, known initrd bug |
| 00:22.09 | jetx | ah |
| 00:22.09 | Chris- | the 2 dvd install failed as well |
| 00:22.21 | Chris- | and both of those passed |
| 00:22.23 | jetx | damn i haven't tried my dvd's yet |
| 00:22.27 | jetx | :( |
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| 00:22.37 | Rockret | conclusion: must set iptable |
| 00:22.53 | Chris- | I think my DVD burner is actually a coaster creater |
| 00:22.57 | Guerin | Rockret: netstat -plaunt |grep 657 |
| 00:22.59 | jetx | initrd is obviously the tool of the debbil |
| 00:23.09 | cheal | that's ugly, the 2.6.11 kernel source doesn't transition to sarge due to a critical bug, but the images do :/ |
| 00:23.11 | Guerin | Rockret: no. Must find out what port is for. |
| 00:23.14 | daxiang | jetx: devil? |
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| 00:23.27 | jetx | yes, but misspelled (it was in a book or something) |
| 00:23.39 | erjeee | okay, so I got kernel-image-2.6.11-9-amd64-k8. I don't understand the instructions that dpkg sent me. How do I duplicate my sarge lines and change one to sid? |
| 00:23.51 | jetx | what? |
| 00:23.55 | jetx | erjeee: ? |
| 00:23.57 | Rockret | athlon:/home/alemao# netstat -plaunt |grep 657 |
| 00:23.57 | Rockret | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:657 0.0.0.0:* OUÇA 3443/rpc.statd |
| 00:24.00 | cheal | erjeee: you're editing sources.list already? |
| 00:24.11 | daxiang | jetx: well could have been debil (moronic in german) |
| 00:24.12 | Rockret | strange ! |
| 00:24.22 | jetx | just change whatever says sarge or stable to sid |
| 00:24.26 | jetx | ahh |
| 00:24.27 | Guerin | Rockret: not strange. |
| 00:24.29 | jetx | no german |
| 00:24.40 | kbrooks | whoa |
| 00:24.53 | Rockret | what is "athlon:/home/alemao# netstat -plaunt |grep 657 |
| 00:24.53 | Rockret | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:657 0.0.0.0:* OUÇA 3443/rpc.statd |
| 00:24.54 | kbrooks | my mom's buying my mac mini |
| 00:24.55 | Rockret | ops |
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| 00:25.03 | directhex | erjeee, you had two options. download a single package from the web, or set up your system to allow access to stable software. do one or the other, not both |
| 00:25.10 | jetx | him go byebye |
| 00:25.10 | Guerin | Rockret: apt-get remove nfs-common |
| 00:25.11 | daxiang | kbrooks: already told that |
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| 00:25.16 | jetx | 19.24.54 * erjeee has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11") |
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| 00:25.47 | Rockret | what is "3443/rpc" ? |
| 00:25.47 | Thanatermesis | 're |
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| 00:25.47 | jetx | port i reckon |
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| 00:25.56 | jetx | that stat.d is on? |
| 00:25.56 | Thanatermesis | how to are the line in fstab for mounts in --bind mode ? |
| 00:25.58 | Guerin | Rockret: pid and name of program |
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| 00:26.03 | jetx | o |
| 00:26.09 | dummie | How do i burn cd's in GNOME, I used nautilus' drag and drop, and when i burn it will only make an ISO image, what do i do? |
| 00:26.14 | Guerin | !iydkdg |
| 00:26.14 | dpkg | If you don't know, don't guess |
| 00:26.16 | kbrooks | directhex: erjee is uneducated, and uneducatable |
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| 00:26.22 | jetx | apt-get install k3b |
| 00:26.23 | Rockret | no problem be open that port ? |
| 00:26.27 | directhex | kbrooks, correct |
| 00:26.29 | Guerin | kbrooks: you're a fine one to talk |
| 00:26.30 | jetx | dummie: ^^ |
| 00:26.36 | Guerin | Rockret: apt-get remove nfs-common |
| 00:26.37 | daxiang | Thanatermesis: /usr/opt /opt none bind,defaults 0 0 |
| 00:26.43 | directhex | dummie, try graveman or gnomebaker |
| 00:26.47 | Guerin | Rockret: no problem, but you can close it if you care |
| 00:26.56 | BerdeCE | Portuguese? |
| 00:27.02 | Guerin | mmm, baked gnomes |
| 00:27.04 | kbrooks | directhex: he should...hmmm, try a distro based on debian, like ubuntu. ;) |
| 00:27.04 | Rockret | what is that service "nfs" ? |
| 00:27.05 | jetx | !br |
| 00:27.05 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:27.14 | Guerin | Rockret: ask dpkg |
| 00:27.16 | BerdeCE | ok |
| 00:27.19 | dummie | Guerin : eww |
| 00:27.32 | kbrooks | erjee: read what i said about you |
| 00:27.42 | erjee | Am I not supposed to be editing sources.list already? I have the kernel image, do I need something else? kbrooks, I saw it :) |
| 00:27.44 | Rockret | sorry but debian-br channel is trash ! |
| 00:28.04 | ColonelKernel | Rockret, brazil? |
| 00:28.07 | Rockret | yes |
| 00:28.09 | jetx | you have a better portuguese alternative? |
| 00:28.11 | Thanatermesis | thanks daxiang |
| 00:28.15 | Rockret | here ! |
| 00:28.17 | Rockret | :) |
| 00:28.29 | jetx | missing one key element... the portuguese |
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| 00:28.31 | directhex | erjee, EITHER install the kernel image OR edit sources.list - NOT BOTH |
| 00:28.35 | kbrooks | erjee: do either, not both |
| 00:29.05 | dummie | jetx : now what do i run? |
| 00:29.10 | ricky_clarkson | Maybe Brazilians who use Debian are trash. ;) |
| 00:29.12 | kbrooks | directhex: heh, good thing god gave you the earth to lookk upon <offtopic /> |
| 00:29.22 | Rockret | who knows .. LOL |
| 00:29.52 | directhex | kbrooks, it's thankless, unpaid work. i suggets finding a better employer than god |
| 00:30.16 | erjee | ok. So now all I do is dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.11-9-amd64-k8_2.6.11-3_amd64.deb? |
| 00:30.20 | kbrooks | directhex: ;) |
| 00:30.23 | ricky_clarkson | directhex: You get infinite vacation time. Admittedly it's all saved up until the afterlife. |
| 00:30.30 | kbrooks | erjee: yes. |
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| 00:30.42 | Rockret | debian-br channel .. people there (op) no time to newbies |
| 00:30.48 | erjee | okay, thank you. |
| 00:30.50 | ricky_clarkson | And sometimes you end up on a package holiday in Hell. |
| 00:31.11 | ricky_clarkson | Rockret: Maybe you could mention this to a member of Freenode staff (#freenode). |
| 00:31.14 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: you're so analogus. |
| 00:31.27 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: You're so iliteret. |
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| 00:31.44 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: i'm not illiterate. |
| 00:32.09 | ricky_clarkson | !dict analogus |
| 00:32.11 | dpkg | could not find definition for analogus |
| 00:32.14 | dummie | lol |
| 00:32.19 | robin_sz | kbrooks: capital I on "I'm" please |
| 00:32.25 | daxiang | kbrooks: yes you are |
| 00:32.29 | kbrooks | !dict analogy |
| 00:32.31 | dpkg | Dictionary 'analogy' (1 of 5): Note: Followed by between, to, or with; as, there is an analogy between these objects, or one thing has an analogy to or with another.. |
| 00:32.35 | ricky_clarkson | !dict analogous |
| 00:32.37 | dpkg | Dictionary 'analogous' (2 of 4): nalogous pole (Pyroelect.), that pole of a crystal which becomes positively electrified when heated. ;; Analogous \A*nal"o*gous\, a. [L. analogous, Gr. ? according to a due ratio, proportionate; ? + ? ratio, proportion. See Logic.] Having analogy; corresponding to something else; bearing some resemblance or proportion; -- often followed by to.. |
| 00:32.57 | kbrooks | oh ok ok i admit it, i'm illiterate |
| 00:33.03 | kbrooks | *stops* |
| 00:33.09 | dummie | !dict illiterate |
| 00:33.11 | dpkg | Dictionary 'illiterate' Illiterate \Il*lit"er*ate\, a. [L. illiteratus: pref. il- not + literatus learned. See In- not, and Literal.] Ignorant of letters or books; unlettered; uninstructed; uneducated; as, an illiterate man, or people. |
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| 00:33.29 | stupidkid | should i try kernel 2.6.12? |
| 00:33.35 | kbrooks | dummie: first definition |
| 00:33.36 | daxiang | stupidkid: no |
| 00:33.42 | chalenged | stupidkid no |
| 00:33.42 | stupidkid | it's not good? |
| 00:33.51 | ColonelKernel | stupidkid, why not? |
| 00:34.11 | toonX | can dpkg resolve dependencies when removing packages? like synaptic does ? |
| 00:34.20 | ColonelKernel | ive done 2.6.12 before - it works , but I gotta say the stock deb kernel is really nice and fast |
| 00:34.22 | Eulex | stupidkid, 2.6.12 is not stable yet |
| 00:34.30 | stupidkid | oh |
| 00:34.31 | stupidkid | i see |
| 00:34.34 | zinx | toonX: apt-get can |
| 00:34.35 | stupidkid | thx guys |
| 00:34.35 | daxiang | toonX: no, apt can |
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| 00:34.43 | chalenged | stupidkid: its not stable and there are too many patches to be bothered trying atm.. |
| 00:34.44 | zinx | toonX: dpkg can tell you something depends on it, and will fail |
| 00:34.50 | stupidkid | _user nice |
| 00:34.56 | toonX | zinx so i noticed, with dpkg |
| 00:35.02 | dummie | How do i burn DATA cd's in GNOME, I used nautilus' drag and drop, and when i burn it will only make an ISO image, what do i do? |
| 00:35.07 | zinx | toonX: apt-get remove foo (possibly add --purge) |
| 00:35.16 | toonX | zinx yes, ok |
| 00:35.18 | K_Dallas | dummie, try k3b |
| 00:35.22 | stupidkid | zinx, what --purge does? |
| 00:35.27 | dummie | then what do i run? |
| 00:35.28 | zinx | stupidkid: removes configuration files |
| 00:35.32 | stupidkid | oh |
| 00:35.34 | K_Dallas | k3b |
| 00:35.36 | daxiang | stupidkid: what do you think? |
| 00:35.37 | dummie | ok |
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| 00:35.46 | stupidkid | and any independenes too? |
| 00:35.51 | K_Dallas | dummie, if you have it so be it if not apt-get install k3b |
| 00:35.57 | zinx | stupidkid: whats? |
| 00:36.25 | dummie | thanx |
| 00:36.26 | tcsetattr | u |
| 00:36.30 | dummie | thanks |
| 00:36.31 | daxiang | stupidkid: apt-get --purge remove package removes a package and its dependencies, purging the conffiles |
| 00:36.32 | tcsetattr | erk |
| 00:36.34 | K_Dallas | sure |
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| 00:36.46 | stupidkid | cool |
| 00:36.52 | stupidkid | thx man |
| 00:36.58 | kbrooks | stupidkid: the remove action of apt doees NOT remove deps itself |
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| 00:37.08 | stupidkid | yeah |
| 00:37.12 | stupidkid | i didnt know |
| 00:37.15 | K_Dallas | stupidkid, if you use synaptic it has an option to removely completely, same as purge |
| 00:37.20 | kbrooks | --purge remove or remove --purge |
| 00:37.24 | Arafangion | How do I remove slapd? apt-get remove slapd doesn't work, apt-get remove slapd --force-yes doesn't work. |
| 00:37.35 | kbrooks | whichever order you like |
| 00:37.49 | daxiang | Arafangion: what does apt say? |
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| 00:38.00 | Arafangion | It appears to fail because my slapd isn't configured correctly, and it fails because it's trying to upgrade it first (I have previously issued apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 00:38.08 | kbrooks | Arafangion: annd the error is? |
| 00:38.20 | Arafangion | Dang, Sid is unstable? |
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| 00:38.28 | kbrooks | yes |
| 00:38.46 | directhex | dummie, as said before, either TAKE THE ADVICE GIVEN OR LEAVE. you repeated your question 9, minutes after i gave you an appropriate answer |
| 00:39.04 | kbrooks | Arafangion: pm me the whole error message and maybe i can fix. *maybe* |
| 00:39.20 | Arafangion | Well, when I try the apt-get stuff, it says "The following packages have unmet dependencies" - and they are all to do with Gnome, nothing at all to do with slapd |
| 00:39.26 | thomas_adam | Arafangion: No, say the error message here, and you might reap the benefit of advice. |
| 00:39.38 | ludorama | i dont know a method to create one partition equal to preexistent one, same blocks and same all, for copying after the filesystem with parted (cp)? |
| 00:39.38 | stupidkid | directhex: his name say so :) |
| 00:39.39 | kbrooks | Arafangion: n/m |
| 00:39.39 | thomas_adam | Arafangion: Which flavour of Debian? |
| 00:39.44 | Arafangion | thomas_adam: Sid. |
| 00:39.54 | daxiang | Arafangion: when using sid, use aptitude and set "broken" packages on hold. |
| 00:40.00 | Arafangion | thomas_adam: This is my development machine :) |
| 00:40.01 | thomas_adam | Arafangion: Of course. Gnome is in a state of flux at the moment -- with 2.5.10 entering it. |
| 00:40.11 | Arafangion | thomas_adam: I've compiled my own kernel. |
| 00:40.16 | thomas_adam | So? |
| 00:40.24 | Arafangion | thomas_adam: So how does 2.5.10 matter to me? |
| 00:40.34 | thomas_adam | Arafangion: Sigh. |
| 00:40.46 | Arafangion | Oh, it's migrating to udev and the like? |
| 00:41.03 | daxiang | Arafangion: gnome and kernel don't have anything in common |
| 00:41.10 | stupidkid | anyone use vmware? |
| 00:41.12 | thomas_adam | Arafangion: The version of GNOME in Sid is changing. That means the packages that depend on it are in a state of flux -- do you know what that means? |
| 00:41.18 | Arafangion | Oh! |
| 00:41.19 | thomas_adam | stupidkid: Ask your question. |
| 00:41.21 | robin_sz | stupidkid: yes, many people |
| 00:41.23 | stupidkid | my sound blaster 5.1 is choopy |
| 00:41.27 | stupidkid | with sound on vmware |
| 00:41.29 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Is that like the state of Florida? |
| 00:41.35 | Arafangion | thomas_adam: I don't really care about Gnome, or it's apps right now. |
| 00:41.36 | thomas_adam | stupidkid: Is it playing 'Sailing By'? |
| 00:41.39 | coNP | stupidkid: yes |
| 00:41.43 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Haha. |
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| 00:41.54 | stupidkid | Is there a way to fix it? |
| 00:41.54 | thomas_adam | Arafangion: You probably shouldn't be running Sid... |
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| 00:42.02 | thomas_adam | stupidkid: Using ALSA? |
| 00:42.02 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: is vmware offtopic here? |
| 00:42.05 | stupidkid | yeah |
| 00:42.07 | stupidkid | i use alsa |
| 00:42.18 | stupidkid | but i think my vmware use oss |
| 00:42.21 | daxiang | kbrooks: why? d-i team uses it |
| 00:42.21 | stupidkid | /dev/dsp |
| 00:42.26 | Arafangion | thomas_adam: I know about the issues with Sid, etc, it's unstable, yadda yadda. |
| 00:42.28 | stupidkid | is it OSS? |
| 00:42.30 | Arafangion | thomas_adam: But I want to use it. |
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| 00:42.34 | thomas_adam | stupidkid: Ask in #alsa -- I suspect there's a setting for it in your alsa.conf file -- see the /topic in #alsa for clues. |
| 00:42.46 | Arafangion | thomas_adam: I just can never remember how to 'properly' _remove_ a broken application. |
| 00:42.51 | thomas_adam | Arafangion: You don't understand what I just told you, do you? |
| 00:42.59 | stupidkid | thomas_adam, i already installed alsa |
| 00:42.59 | uber_fish_ | hey, ndiswrapper problem, anyone interested in giving help? |
| 00:43.13 | thomas_adam | stupidkid: Resd what I just told you, please. |
| 00:43.19 | daxiang | Arafangion: when using sid, you do have to get your hand's dirty sometimes. |
| 00:43.20 | thomas_adam | uber_fish_: FFS, just ask. |
| 00:43.28 | Arafangion | daxiang: I know. |
| 00:43.35 | Arafangion | daxiang: My system wouldn't let me log in once |
| 00:43.46 | kbrooks | Arafangion: And? |
| 00:43.50 | exerd | hm i get this when mounting my cdrom: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd, |
| 00:43.50 | exerd | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.51 | exerd | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.51 | exerd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:43.53 | thomas_adam | Arafangion: You probably have some apps depending on some GNOME libs, which themselves rely on library versions that are changing, etv. |
| 00:43.56 | Arafangion | kbrooks: And I had to fix it :) |
| 00:44.03 | kbrooks | Arafangion: how? |
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| 00:44.36 | stupidkid | thomas_adam, ok |
| 00:44.40 | robin_sz | kbrooks: it was probably salt deposits that did it |
| 00:44.42 | ludorama | i dont know a method to create one partition equal to preexistent one, same blocks and same all, for copying after the filesystem with parted (cp)? |
| 00:44.44 | uber_fish_ | apt-got the ndiswrapper, loaded my .inf, ndiswrapper-l gave driver and hadware present but modprobe ndiswrapper gave module not found |
| 00:44.44 | thomas_adam | stupidkid: Off you go now... |
| 00:44.44 | daxiang | Arafangion: that means you have to check like /var/lib/dpkg/info/slapd.*, maybe touch some files etc. etc. |
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| 00:45.09 | thomas_adam | uber_fish_: And you followed _which_ brain-dead instructions to do this? |
| 00:45.10 | robin_sz | kbrooks: salt deposits on the power lead can sometimes prevent you logging in |
| 00:45.11 | Arafangion | daxiang: Ok. |
| 00:45.34 | thomas_adam | ludorama: Can you rephrase your question? |
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| 00:45.51 | robin_sz | kbrooks: but they are easy to remove with a mild acid solution |
| 00:45.59 | Arafangion | kbrooks: I can't remember how I fixed it, but it involved knoppix and chroot. |
| 00:46.12 | uber_fish_ | thomas_adam: the wiki on ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net |
| 00:46.19 | Arafangion | kbrooks: I think I had a pam issue, but it was a while ago. |
| 00:46.29 | robin_sz | kbrooks: if you cant get any mild acid solution, saliva works just as well ... |
| 00:46.30 | thomas_adam | uber_fish_: So why is it then that it works for 99.9% of the world and not you? |
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| 00:46.36 | kbrooks | robin_sz: ew |
| 00:46.38 | exerd | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.39 | exerd | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd whats wrong? |
| 00:46.55 | thomas_adam | exerd: What's your /etc/fstab line for your CDROM look like? |
| 00:46.55 | ColonelKernel | how can I remove mozilla and epiphany w/o removing gnome? this is confusing |
| 00:46.57 | kbrooks | dpkg: tell exerd about repeat |
| 00:46.57 | robin_sz | kbrooks: simply pop the power lead in your mouth .. |
| 00:46.59 | Supaplex | and stuff |
| 00:47.01 | daxiang | uber_fish_: then did you compile ndiswrapper-source? |
| 00:47.05 | Thanatermesis | daxiang, you are sure to parameters are "bind,defaults" ? my vim colors are showed in RED |
| 00:47.12 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: Please, ssssh. |
| 00:47.19 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: sorry |
| 00:47.31 | daxiang | Thanatermesis: yes |
| 00:47.32 | ludorama | i have to copy a debian system from one disk to another bigger. i wont to create a new partition exatly the same size and copying with parted |
| 00:47.34 | uber_fish_ | daxiang: nah, i was hoping someone else went through the same thing |
| 00:47.40 | exerd | thomas_adam, Theres none there. just this /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 00:47.45 | Arafangion | ludorama: man cp |
| 00:47.52 | uber_fish_ | daxiang: i just want to know why that did not work |
| 00:48.03 | Arafangion | ludorama: Why does the partition need to be "exactly the same sizse"? |
| 00:48.04 | uber_fish_ | thomas_adam: that is because god hates me almost as much as he hates you |
| 00:48.16 | robin_sz | ludorama: man dump; man restore; |
| 00:48.19 | thomas_adam | exerd: Well then why are you trying to do: mount /cdrom, then? When you mean: mount /media/cdrom0 ? |
| 00:48.22 | Thanatermesis | ok, and what are equivalent to "mount -t proc /proc /home/bla/proc" ? daxiang :) |
| 00:48.26 | thomas_adam | uber_fish_: Maybe. |
| 00:48.26 | Miaz | ludorama: ever used rsync? |
| 00:48.28 | Arafangion | kbrooks: I run stable on my servers, though. |
| 00:48.32 | daxiang | uber_fish_: you need to compile your module first. install that package and look at the README. |
| 00:49.05 | thomas_adam | exerd: Just change the mount point, if /media/cdrom0 sucks. |
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| 00:49.37 | exerd | thomas_adam, I get the same error when mounting cdrom0. i had /cdrom/ yesterday but when i booted up today it was gone |
| 00:49.45 | Arafangion | I just wonder why apt-get remove slapd --purge --force-yes doesn't work. |
| 00:49.45 | daxiang | Miaz: no he probably doesn't want rsync. even tar or dump is better for this |
| 00:49.54 | iao | hello. I apt-get installed ftpd, but I can't connect to the server: connection refused |
| 00:49.57 | ludorama | cp of parted? my problem i that i dont know to create a partition of the same size(blocks)? |
| 00:50.23 | Arafangion | ludorama: Why does that matter? |
| 00:50.31 | Miaz | iao: i suggest you try vsftp or wu-ftpd. the plain ftpd is kind of stupid |
| 00:50.36 | daxiang | Arafangion: you have to go deeper. use dpkg with --force etc. and if that doesn't work, have a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/slapd.* please listen to what i say. |
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| 00:51.05 | Thanatermesis | what are the equivalent to mount -t proc in fstab ? |
| 00:51.10 | uber_fish_ | daxiang: grr. does apt-get install modules? |
| 00:51.26 | daxiang | Thanatermesis: proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 00:52.18 | Thanatermesis | oh, thanks |
| 00:52.19 | daxiang | uber_fish_: no. ndiswrapper loads proprietary stuff, like e.g. ipw2100. compile the modules, maybe using the module-assistent. it's really not that hard. |
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| 00:52.29 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: Buenas. |
| 00:52.31 | libpcp | hi all |
| 00:52.39 | Arafangion | daxiang: Thanks. |
| 00:52.40 | ludorama | why is so difficult for me to create a partition of n blocks? |
| 00:52.41 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.45 | Thanatermesis | hi ricky_clarkson |
| 00:52.50 | thomas_adam | ludorama: You can't RTFD? |
| 00:52.55 | libpcp | i would like to ask how to find large file in /home directory ? |
| 00:52.58 | Thanatermesis | thanks for apt ;) |
| 00:53.03 | Arafangion | daxiang: I should've remembered that (I guess I need sleep) |
| 00:53.14 | thomas_adam | libpcp: find $HOME -size foo -type f |
| 00:53.16 | Arafangion | libpcp: man find |
| 00:53.48 | ludorama | what manual? of fdisk? |
| 00:53.50 | libpcp | okay thanks |
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| 00:54.01 | Mez | ok, I've been reading up a little. |
| 00:54.03 | thomas_adam | ludorama: Try cfdisk. |
| 00:54.06 | Mez | sarge doesnt use udev does it ? |
| 00:54.14 | thomas_adam | Mez: That's kernel-related. |
| 00:54.16 | daxiang | ludorama: have sfdisk(8) do it for you. |
| 00:54.28 | Arafangion | My other problem has been bugging me for quite a while. Every now and again, my USB mouse "dies", and I have to unplug it and plug it back again. How might that be fixed? |
| 00:54.34 | Mez | thomas_adam, I know.... thats why i'm asking, if on defauly install sarge uses udev |
| 00:54.40 | thomas_adam | Arafangion: Use a PS/2 one. |
| 00:54.42 | Miaz | Arafangion: i have that same problem |
| 00:54.45 | daxiang | ludorama: the manpage has detailed examples of what you need. |
| 00:54.48 | thomas_adam | Mez: Unless you use a 2.6 kernel... |
| 00:54.49 | Arafangion | thomas_adam: Not an option. |
| 00:55.06 | ludorama | i try with fsdisk, that i don't n |
| 00:55.10 | Mez | thomas_adam, I'm suign whatever saege comes as default isntalled as |
| 00:55.21 | thomas_adam | Mez: So use: uname -r |
| 00:56.22 | Arafangion | I suspect windows "fixes" this problem by listening for the mouse, and reconnecting for me, because even under windows, every now and again, I can't move the mouse pointer, but about half a second later, I can. |
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| 00:56.38 | ludorama | thanks |
| 00:56.40 | Miaz | Arafangion: so it's a hardware problem. flaky hardware in the mouse |
| 00:56.50 | Arafangion | Miaz: In the mouse? |
| 00:56.53 | Miaz | if it occurs under both OSes |
| 00:56.59 | Miaz | yes, or the cable is frayed or something |
| 00:57.03 | ColonelKernel | Arafangion, hold on |
| 00:57.04 | Miaz | if it happens under windows and debian |
| 00:57.14 | Arafangion | Miaz: I was just hoping it wasn't the M/B :) |
| 00:57.22 | ricky_clarkson | Yeah, but Windows redetects the mouse, he said. |
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| 00:57.24 | ColonelKernel | Arafangion, are you using a KVM switch? |
| 00:57.27 | Miaz | Arafangion: well if you've tried different ports... |
| 00:57.31 | Arafangion | ColonelKernel: No. |
| 00:57.34 | steve__ | hey- how do i use bit torrent with windows? |
| 00:57.40 | ricky_clarkson | That could just be Windows hanging for a moment. ;) |
| 00:57.53 | Miaz | for he who dual boots is lost... |
| 00:57.57 | Arafangion | Miaz: I believe that all the ports use the same circuit. |
| 00:57.58 | Miaz | :-p |
| 00:58.06 | Arafangion | Miaz: Dual-booting is for sissies :) |
| 00:58.06 | kbrooks | steve__: execute it, open the BT .torrent, and d/l! |
| 00:58.13 | Miaz | Arafangion: do you have a USB PCI card sitting around? |
| 00:58.15 | daxiang | steve__: you don't. bit torrent sux |
| 00:58.17 | steve__ | how though? |
| 00:58.18 | Mez | thomas_adam, accordingf to the aptitude, I ahev kernel-images-2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 00:58.20 | robin_sz | steve__: the debian version of bittorrent on windows? |
| 00:58.21 | Arafangion | Miaz: No. |
| 00:58.25 | daxiang | steve__: and windows as well |
| 00:58.28 | Miaz | Arafangion: or try the mouse with a diff. computer? |
| 00:58.36 | ColonelKernel | Mez, thats pretty old stuff |
| 00:58.41 | Arafangion | Miaz: Well, it works fine on my mac... :) |
| 00:58.44 | Sorush20 | what does rebuilding boot sector mean? and does it mean I will loose all data |
| 00:58.50 | steve__ | huh? you dont use bittorrent on linux? |
| 00:58.50 | thomas_adam | Mez: I didn't ask you that -- I simply said for you to use the command: 'uname -r'. |
| 00:58.53 | Mez | ColonelKernel, well it's what it says in aptitude |
| 00:58.57 | robin_sz | steve__: the debian version of windows then?? |
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| 00:59.03 | Miaz | Arafangion: so the problem doesn't show up on your mac |
| 00:59.09 | Miaz | but under windows and linux, the mouse dies occasionally |
| 00:59.25 | Arafangion | Miaz: Yup, hence my concern for the M/B |
| 00:59.34 | daxiang | Sorush20: no, you won't loose your data. the mbr is a sector up front your hard-disk. it's where your grub or win-bootloader is installed to. |
| 00:59.34 | robin_sz | steve__: or, put another WTF has that go to do with debian? |
| 00:59.42 | Miaz | Arafangion: i thought you weren't dual booting :-p |
| 00:59.55 | Mez | thomas_adam, I cant noot into debian :D |
| 01:00.00 | Mez | so i cant use that command :D |
| 01:00.01 | daxiang | steve__: bittornado |
| 01:00.01 | Sorush20 | okay... thanks.. |
| 01:00.06 | Mez | boot * |
| 01:00.08 | Sorush20 | daxiang... |
| 01:00.19 | thomas_adam | *plonk*. |
| 01:00.21 | Arafangion | Miaz: I have windows XP (for development purposes) and Debian (for much superiour development purposes) isntalled. |
| 01:00.36 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Rodney, you plonker. |
| 01:00.46 | kbrooks | i want to poll the channel. here i go: does anyone like debian's packaging system, and if so, why? |
| 01:00.52 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Au Revoir, au revoir... |
| 01:00.53 | Miaz | Arafangion: get a USB2 PCI card ($9 tops) and give it a try |
| 01:00.55 | Arafangion | Miaz: So I _am_ dual-booting, really. |
| 01:01.06 | Arafangion | Miaz: This is australia. |
| 01:01.15 | Sorush20 | I'm having prblems recovering a windows partition using test disk.. can anyone help? |
| 01:01.17 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: No, because it's easy enough to use that even complete idiots can upgrade to sid. |
| 01:01.26 | Arafangion | Miaz: That'll be about $40, afaik, at least. |
| 01:01.31 | Sorush20 | The partition is a secondary one.. |
| 01:01.35 | robin_sz | ricky_clarkson: hey, *some* idiots .. not all. |
| 01:01.43 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: okay..... |
| 01:01.52 | Arafangion | ricky_clarkson: If this channel considers me an idiot, perhaps idiots *should not* use SId. |
| 01:02.04 | daxiang | Arafangion: yup. |
| 01:02.05 | jetx | bittornado has both win32 and linux versions |
| 01:02.12 | ricky_clarkson | Arafangion: Regardless of you, idiots should not use sid. |
| 01:02.23 | kbrooks | !sid |
| 01:02.23 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 01:02.23 | Arafangion | ricky_clarkson: Touche` |
| 01:02.30 | kbrooks | ^^ there. |
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| 01:02.35 | kbrooks | Anyway. |
| 01:02.44 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: Yes, you did that earlier too. |
| 01:02.56 | kbrooks | Yes. I know. |
| 01:03.02 | kbrooks | I dropped it though |
| 01:03.03 | Guerin | kbrooks: oh, you know all about sid, dontcha |
| 01:03.10 | Guerin | the ball? |
| 01:03.12 | Arafangion | I use sid for the bleeding edge packages, and libraries. |
| 01:03.15 | ricky_clarkson | !magic hate ball |
| 01:03.30 | kbrooks | the ball == sid, yes |
| 01:03.37 | Miaz | might it be fun to run sid on my desktop? |
| 01:03.39 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: Umm. |
| 01:03.44 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: Hello. Brain? |
| 01:03.50 | kbrooks | Miaz: No. |
| 01:03.52 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Yes, Pinky? |
| 01:03.54 | jetx | yes |
| 01:03.57 | jetx | sid rocks |
| 01:04.02 | robin_sz | kbrooks: have you been here long? |
| 01:04.03 | jetx | but yyou should try experimental |
| 01:04.05 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: Yes, Pinky? |
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| 01:04.11 | thomas_adam | robin_sz: Too sodding long. |
| 01:04.15 | Miaz | my desktop is totally not critical and completely a play/toy machine |
| 01:04.21 | jetx | real men run experimental |
| 01:04.21 | Miaz | it's already unstable |
| 01:04.30 | kbrooks | robin_sz: talking > idling times |
| 01:04.35 | kbrooks | robin_sz: so yes |
| 01:04.37 | akbg | experimental isn't a branch |
| 01:04.38 | Azar | hey who likes the speed, the risk, the "unstable" ? linux 2.6.12 is out |
| 01:04.43 | jetx | !experimental |
| 01:04.43 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 01:04.46 | daxiang | Miaz: so gofor it |
| 01:04.47 | akbg | is a repository of very unstable packages :) |
| 01:04.55 | jetx | ah |
| 01:05.24 | robin_sz | kbrooks: understood. i recommend you check out that power lead reall soon now. |
| 01:05.27 | jetx | i always run new versions from kernel.org |
| 01:05.35 | kbrooks | well, i think i'll install sid for DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES |
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| 01:05.37 | Arafangion | Miaz: For various definitions of Fun, yes. |
| 01:05.40 | Draconicus | Heyo. |
| 01:05.40 | Azar | #debian is helping in orienting people to the stable, usable, unbreakable Debian side of the moon |
| 01:05.41 | cheal | Azar: this is so last-epoch. there are already debs built |
| 01:05.48 | kbrooks | nothing else |
| 01:05.50 | akbg | Im happy whith my 2.6.10 |
| 01:05.50 | kbrooks | no X |
| 01:05.52 | ricky_clarkson | I'd rather ssh into the upstream developers' machines, grab their cvs diffs and compile a merge of their working copies. |
| 01:05.55 | kbrooks | just dev |
| 01:05.56 | kbrooks | :) |
| 01:06.00 | Azar | cheal, wow, is etch working on 2.6.12 ? |
| 01:06.04 | Draconicus | Camorama and such keep bitching that they can't read video0, despite proper camera drivers being installed and soforth. |
| 01:06.09 | kbrooks | anyway.... |
| 01:06.16 | robin_sz | must you go? |
| 01:06.19 | robin_sz | so soon? |
| 01:06.25 | cheal | Azar: are you asking whether 2.6.12 is in etch? |
| 01:06.28 | kbrooks | i'm wanking off here, and i must work on apoache |
| 01:06.32 | Azar | cheal, yes |
| 01:06.35 | kbrooks | cya |
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| 01:06.42 | cheal | Azar: it would need to be in sid first |
| 01:06.51 | daxiang | K_Dallas: what are you using from tetex, that makes it necessary to upgrade to sid? |
| 01:06.55 | akbg | etch actually isn't a copy of sid? |
| 01:06.55 | jetx | gah 2 minutes left |
| 01:06.55 | robin_sz | kbrooks: missing you already |
| 01:06.56 | Azar | cheal, that is how I felt too |
| 01:07.03 | jetx | i could turn off bittornado |
| 01:07.06 | jetx | but nahhh |
| 01:07.08 | kbrooks | i'm not leaving irc |
| 01:07.10 | kbrooks | :) |
| 01:07.19 | K_Dallas | daxiang, i use sarge, only installed tetex3 from experimental |
| 01:07.24 | cheal | akbg: no |
| 01:07.24 | Guerin | Azar: no, etch is a fork from sarge. |
| 01:07.26 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: That's what you think.. |
| 01:07.30 | Guerin | bah, akbg |
| 01:07.31 | K_Dallas | it has newer packages, more support for unicode and fonts etc |
| 01:07.33 | jetx | etch is your god |
| 01:07.35 | Azar | :) |
| 01:07.47 | K_Dallas | and since it did not mess my sarge when it was testing, i installed it on sarge-stable |
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| 01:07.55 | akbg | actually, eh :P |
| 01:08.02 | NetDC | did anyone install sarge in IBM xserver 346 with hard raid-1 support? |
| 01:08.05 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson: either i'm doing sid or apache. i choose apache, fuck sid |
| 01:08.07 | robin_sz | ricky_clarkson: look on the bright side .. he installs sid, it borks on himm . he cant connect ... |
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| 01:08.33 | daxiang | K_Dallas: i see. but you can't run both, tetex and tetex3, can you? |
| 01:08.33 | Guerin | robin_sz: unfortunately, networking usually works ok, even in sid. |
| 01:08.42 | robin_sz | fsck. |
| 01:08.51 | K_Dallas | daxiang, i did not install tetex from sarge |
| 01:09.07 | kreg | does the kernel assign order of ethx's by whatever order it finds them? |
| 01:09.11 | K_Dallas | however, xemacs, preview latex, etc i got them all from sarge, kile and a few more stuff |
| 01:09.19 | Guerin | kreg: yeah, usually by which slot they're in |
| 01:09.35 | shingouz | Draconicus: you sure your cam driver is installed? |
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| 01:09.35 | kreg | hmmm |
| 01:09.37 | kreg | ok |
| 01:09.39 | NetDC | I think the module is ips.ko , but when I insmod ips, it tell me that no such device. |
| 01:09.39 | Guerin | kreg: you can use a doodad called nameif |
| 01:09.40 | K_Dallas | Q: is there a direct correspondance between ttySxx and COMx under windows? |
| 01:09.42 | Draconicus | Okay... cat says video0 does not exist, and yet video0 does exist.. what the hell.. |
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| 01:09.53 | Draconicus | shingouz: Yes. I just reinstalled it to make sure, and have restarted the module a number of times. |
| 01:09.56 | kreg | Guerin, a doodad to rename them? |
| 01:10.00 | Guerin | kreg: 1 |
| 01:10.09 | kreg | ok |
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| 01:10.28 | kreg | and i now know that i need to get out more by understanding your "yes" |
| 01:10.41 | shingouz | Draconicus: try the other videos too, might work that way? dmesg should tell you something about the webcam |
| 01:11.05 | Azar | The Linux /proc Filesystem as a Programmers' Tool << interesting read even for a newbie like me |
| 01:11.32 | Draconicus | shingouz: It normally works the way I'm doing it. For some reason it doesn't anymore. |
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| 01:11.43 | kbrooks | fuck. this apache configuration system is fucked, i want 6the pure |
| 01:11.45 | kbrooks | one |
| 01:11.48 | MobyTurbo | Keep in mind that if you rely on Linux's /proc your program is less portable |
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| 01:12.01 | Draconicus | Also note that NOTHING HAS CHANGED from the time it worked and the time it didn't, and has stayed dead even with a reboot. |
| 01:12.06 | Draconicus | A reboot might be my next step, though. |
| 01:12.23 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hug Phated goodnight |
| 01:12.32 | shingouz | Draconicus: hmm. that is odd. you do not need to shout in anycase |
| 01:13.10 | Draconicus | shingouz: Sorry... combination of frustration and exploiting my nifty new/old keyboard that I recently put together... |
| 01:13.20 | shingouz | Draconicus: just a thought, does lsmod show exactly one driver for the cam? |
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| 01:14.27 | kbrooks | what does this mean: "Warning: fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing." |
| 01:14.33 | kbrooks | What* |
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| 01:14.42 | Draconicus | shingouz: No, it's mapped to usbcore and videodev. |
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| 01:15.04 | kbrooks | Azar: learn C. |
| 01:15.13 | spenser | sup guys |
| 01:15.14 | kbrooks | Azar: try getenv ;) |
| 01:15.41 | shingouz | Draconicus: it *should* work unless camorama or camstream somehow have changed the device they listen to |
| 01:15.44 | shingouz | weird |
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| 01:15.47 | kbrooks | char *s; s=getenv("HOME"); printf("%s", s) |
| 01:15.58 | Mez | is there any simple way to boot debian witout using an intrd ? |
| 01:16.00 | Azar | kbrooks, I am onto learning C but now shell scripting took my heart |
| 01:16.05 | Mez | (grr at pivot_root not working) |
| 01:16.13 | spenser | i just wanted to say that after using linux for about 7 years now I just got around to trying debian (well, a varient, but debian none the less) and i'm impressed. cool stuff. |
| 01:16.29 | shingouz | spenser: and pure debian is even cooler |
| 01:16.32 | kbrooks | spenser: ubuntu you mean? |
| 01:16.34 | FieldySnuts | be sure and let the variant know too :) |
| 01:16.41 | spenser | not ubuntu |
| 01:16.48 | ricky_clarkson | It's a sekrit. |
| 01:16.53 | Azar | :P |
| 01:16.57 | spenser | it's whoppix, i emailed them to let them know. they don't have an irc chan |
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| 01:17.14 | shingouz | Mez: if the kernel has been done with initrd you need to use it and you do not want to make a custom kernel just to be able to getr rid of the initrd |
| 01:17.17 | spenser | based on knoppix, like most every other live cd |
| 01:17.19 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 01:17.22 | apt | Brits will one day stomp the IRA! |
| 01:17.24 | Draconicus | shingouz: No. Camorama specifically complains that it cannot connect to video0, the device on which the camera normally functions. I've checked the connection, which is fine. |
| 01:17.30 | joshk | !dude |
| 01:17.32 | spenser | but it has all my pen test tools so i went ahead and did a hd install. |
| 01:17.34 | joshk | er, |
| 01:17.36 | joshk | ~dude |
| 01:17.41 | joshk | damn. it's gone. |
| 01:17.42 | Mez | shingouz well pivot_root is failing. .... because of SATA problmes (apparently) |
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| 01:17.49 | shingouz | Draconicus: could it be that the camera is dead for some reason |
| 01:17.51 | spenser | i had been using slackware for years and loved it, but i'm always up for something new. |
| 01:18.05 | shingouz | Mez: ouch. you have sata there too? |
| 01:18.11 | Draconicus | shingouz: No. It has a light to indicate that it's fully functional, and that is lit. |
| 01:18.20 | Mez | well, the secondary hard drive is sda |
| 01:18.21 | Azar | spenser, excuse the expression but Debian Sarge kiks ass |
| 01:18.23 | Mez | sop i assume so |
| 01:18.33 | shingouz | Draconicus: i think i am getting a bit out of my depth here |
| 01:18.38 | spenser | Azar, ;) no need to excuse the expression |
| 01:18.47 | Draconicus | Hmmm... |
| 01:18.55 | toresbe | if ( test -a "$outfile" ); then |
| 01:19.00 | Mez | shingouz - any ideas? |
| 01:19.04 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: badger? |
| 01:19.05 | ravenbird | somebody said badger was something to do with bodger... and mashed potato!!! |
| 01:19.06 | Azar | spenser, I installed Debian 53 times and never breaks :) |
| 01:19.07 | toresbe | How can I negate this test? |
| 01:19.18 | kbrooks | ! |
| 01:19.19 | Draconicus | Tis very strange. My system has been buggy no matter what kernel I've had. Another reboot might fix this, if anything. :P |
| 01:19.30 | shingouz | Mez: not really. just to nuke the install and do the debian install on the internal hd :( |
| 01:19.41 | Draconicus | Thanks anyway. |
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| 01:19.47 | ttick | okay, I'm sure this is in a faq somewhere, but I haven't figured out the keywords to ask "dkpg" about it. Anyway, I just made a fresh install of Sarge, but I'd like to upgrade it to testing. What do I need to do, change /etc/apt/sources? Anything else? |
| 01:19.50 | spenser | Azar, thats the kind of success I had with Slackware and why I never really tried much else. |
| 01:19.59 | ricky_clarkson | toresbe: Foolproof way - do nothing in then, put it in else. ;) |
| 01:20.05 | cheal | ttick: sources.list |
| 01:20.07 | Guerin | man |
| 01:20.07 | Mez | shingouz: no space unless i modify a load of crap and screw up my system |
| 01:20.09 | toresbe | ricky_clarkson: ooh, ugly :P |
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| 01:20.16 | FieldySnuts | i ran slackware for 5 years, very nice. though when it comes to maintaining it and upgrading things, it's a major pain |
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| 01:20.20 | Guerin | Nero Burning ROM is hella hard to use in korean |
| 01:20.23 | Mez | shingouz apparently it works fine on sid - so i'll use that |
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| 01:20.33 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: That's because slack has no package management. |
| 01:20.34 | Azar | spenser, but wait!! the trill of installing drivers, upgrading kernels, finding hidden treasures! |
| 01:20.37 | ati | for ati opengl how to ? |
| 01:20.37 | shingouz | Mez: you do *not* want to use Sid |
| 01:20.38 | FieldySnuts | "stop saying hella!!" - Kyle |
| 01:20.38 | ttick | cheal: right, /etc/apt/source.list. Is that the only thing to change? And then I do an apt-get upgrade? |
| 01:20.45 | Mez | shingouz - why not ? |
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| 01:20.48 | FieldySnuts | thomas_adam: i'm aware of that. and swaret doesn't count |
| 01:20.54 | cheal | ttick: but I'm not sure why you'd want to use testing now if you don't know how to upgrade |
| 01:20.54 | shingouz | !tell mez about sid faq |
| 01:21.06 | shingouz | Mez: read and weep. sid is bad for your health |
| 01:21.15 | toresbe | Guerin: http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=legitimate-barbecue.jpg :P |
| 01:21.22 | Mez | shingouz - cant be as bad as breeezy |
| 01:21.26 | Draconicus | shingouz: I think it's just a really bad error. khubd is running and seems to be eating up all available CPU power in the form of system consumption. It also can't be killed... even with killall. ._. |
| 01:21.28 | ttick | cheal: not really sure I get the logical connection. |
| 01:21.30 | cheal | ttick: it's /etc/apt/sources.list. and aptitude dist-upgrade is usually preferred |
| 01:21.40 | shingouz | Mez: and breezy is? |
| 01:21.46 | FieldySnuts | Draconicus: do a pstree, kill its parent (note all the parents children will go away) |
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| 01:21.56 | shingouz | Draconicus: killall -9 |
| 01:21.58 | Guerin | toresbe: hah... i see funnier than that every day |
| 01:22.06 | ttick | cheal: ah, okay, not really sure I used aptitude. I usually just use apt. |
| 01:22.10 | Mez | shingouz, the "sid" equivalent for ubuntu |
| 01:22.12 | toresbe | Guerin: take PICTURES, then :D |
| 01:22.14 | Guerin | toresbe: you become immune to it after a few short months in asia |
| 01:22.15 | cheal | ttick: testing is usually for testers...and testers have an idea about how the system works |
| 01:22.25 | Guerin | toresbe: we did, for a while... but we got bored of it |
| 01:22.29 | kbrooks | is ubuntu offtopic here? |
| 01:22.29 | initech | what's with the official iso images for stable pointing the security updates at "testing"? has that been fixed yet? |
| 01:22.35 | Guerin | toresbe: i'll dig some out for you |
| 01:22.39 | shingouz | Mez: sid is going to get real unstable pretty soon and... well.. it is your ass on the line. |
| 01:22.43 | shingouz | kbrooks: pretty much |
| 01:22.48 | toresbe | Guerin: dig some out for engrish.com, dude :) |
| 01:22.50 | Guerin | initech: yeah, fixed in r0a |
| 01:22.59 | Mez | shingouz - g++ transition? |
| 01:22.59 | Guerin | toresbe: i suppose. |
| 01:23.00 | FieldySnuts | kbrooks: yes, however a little talk of it is usually tolerated. getting help on it usually isn't tolerated, though. they have their own channel, not our problem if they can't support their users (which is often the case) |
| 01:23.04 | riot | Sid rulz. Etch rocks. |
| 01:23.15 | FieldySnuts | !start a distro war |
| 01:23.15 | dpkg | Progeny sux0rz! |
| 01:23.17 | Draconicus | shingouz: It still won't die! O_O |
| 01:23.19 | ttick | cheal: well, I run testing on most of my other machines, and the applications seem to be stable enough for me. "Stable" is usually too old for me to want to run. And just because I don't know exactly how "apt" wants to work, doesnt' mean I'm new to Linux. :) |
| 01:23.24 | riot | FieldySnuts: i just did. |
| 01:23.25 | Draconicus | I think my machine is posessed. ._.; |
| 01:23.28 | initech | riot: sarge is teh shit |
| 01:23.34 | riot | initech: Ack ;) |
| 01:23.34 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 01:23.35 | apt | Brits will one day stomp the IRA! |
| 01:23.36 | shingouz | Mez: just that there will be a serious amount of new packages very soon and things will not be smooth |
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| 01:23.40 | FieldySnuts | damn you, said that last time |
| 01:23.41 | Guerin | Mez: gcc, xorg, kde, oo.o, among other stuff |
| 01:23.52 | Mez | lmao :D sounds fun :D |
| 01:23.55 | FieldySnuts | apt: you are moron #91 |
| 01:23.56 | apt | FieldySnuts: what are you talking about? |
| 01:23.56 | riot | woody is da ultrarula |
| 01:23.58 | Mez | ubuntu's already been trhrough all that |
| 01:24.12 | riot | Mez: stop talkin 'bout ubu**ti |
| 01:24.25 | shingouz | Mez: if you go sid do not come crying here if your system borks |
| 01:24.44 | Mez | riot: sorry ... and shingouz - nah I wont :D I know sid is unstable :D |
| 01:24.48 | _daniel_ | almost everyone is using sid |
| 01:24.49 | shingouz | Draconicus: what is the cpu hog supposed to be doing? |
| 01:24.50 | Mez | I backport from it :d |
| 01:25.02 | kbrooks | Mez: WTF |
| 01:25.04 | riot | shingouz: Why that? Sid never broke for me...(maybe i'm just one of these toy-breaking-neighborhood-kids..) |
| 01:25.08 | Guerin | Mez: really? ubuntu is on gcc 4, kde 3.4 and oo.o 2? |
| 01:25.09 | kbrooks | backports suck |
| 01:25.11 | initech | _daniel_: everyone with too much time on their hands maybe |
| 01:25.24 | Draconicus | shingouz: I don't know. I've never seen it before and there's no manfile for it... |
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| 01:25.31 | shingouz | _daniel_: would you recommend sid to a n00b? if you do, you are very much promising to support the n00b (and we get to pal you) |
| 01:25.33 | Mez | kbrooks? what you wtf'ing @ |
| 01:25.35 | kbrooks | Guerin: that modern? |
| 01:25.44 | Mez | and Guerin - the latest release is up to date |
| 01:25.46 | shingouz | Draconicus: check in /etc/init.d if it is there |
| 01:25.49 | mwilson | He thinks they are. |
| 01:25.53 | cheal | ttick: I'm not saying you're new to linux...debian has some specific stuff. but it's not like stable was woody-old now |
| 01:26.10 | _daniel_ | shingouz, I use sid, without problems, I wouldnt recommend sid to a newbie |
| 01:26.17 | mwilson | Ubuntu doesn't know about it, he must have sunck in there and done it for them. |
| 01:26.21 | Draconicus | shingouz: Nope. |
| 01:26.28 | Guerin | Mez: no it isn't - the latest UNSTABLE is up to date... and even more horribly broken than sid. |
| 01:26.43 | shingouz | Draconicus: and you cannot even kill -9 the process? |
| 01:26.43 | Guerin | Mez: yeah. He's the Ubuntu Ninja |
| 01:26.46 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:26.50 | Guerin | mwilson: ^^ |
| 01:26.51 | kbrooks | Mez: the latest sid is BROKEN! VERY BROKEN |
| 01:26.54 | Draconicus | shingouz: No. I can't. |
| 01:27.10 | Mez | Guerin - I'm on about the latest unstable - and it isnt that broken - well - until keybuk broke iut :SD |
| 01:27.14 | riot | kbrooks: i don't feel like that. ok --- my sid is 5 days old. |
| 01:27.17 | shingouz | Draconicus: what was the name of the daemon again? |
| 01:27.21 | Thanatermesis | how to compose a frase for the bot "apt" in "tell X-user for xorg" example.. |
| 01:27.21 | Mez | and kbrooks if it goes wrong - I can always reinstall |
| 01:27.24 | Thanatermesis | ? |
| 01:27.31 | kbrooks | Mez: dude! |
| 01:27.35 | Guerin | Mez: unstable != release. Ubuntu hoary is about as up-to-date as sarge. |
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| 01:27.42 | Draconicus | shingouz: khubd |
| 01:27.42 | _daniel_ | SId rules, my sid is 8 months old :) |
| 01:27.44 | mwilson | Sid's not so bad rightnow, as long as you're intelligent enough to actually manage your box. Of course, so few are. |
| 01:27.47 | uber_fish_ | thanks for all the help |
| 01:27.51 | Mez | Guerin - ~I never said it was :D |
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| 01:27.57 | riot | Mez: if u always "can reinstall" - u can always use redhat... |
| 01:28.03 | Guerin | Mez: you said LATEST RELEASE. |
| 01:28.05 | kbrooks | !u |
| 01:28.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:28.08 | Mez | riot: *shudders* |
| 01:28.16 | initech | Mez: broken is relative. it depends on what you use. I guess if you a some fluxbox user who only open xterms, sid's enormous breakage will never be apparent to you |
| 01:28.28 | Azar | Mez if you are not afraid of installing from scratch, try sid, you will not last long with it |
| 01:28.29 | riot | youyouyouyou. YOU! << that is totally right. |
| 01:29.05 | shingouz | Draconicus: google for khubd and notice about a gazillion hits. maybe one of those would help... ;) |
| 01:29.06 | Mez | Azar - I'll never need to install from scratch :D I have another system to work from :d |
| 01:29.14 | Mez | ooh actually |
| 01:29.25 | Azar | Mez there is nothing wrong with reinstalling, is a good practice |
| 01:29.27 | Draconicus | shingouz: Quite possibly. This is really freaky, though. |
| 01:29.38 | riot | Mez: what was wrong with 'em?? |
| 01:29.40 | Mez | Azar - I still havent got to install properly yet :d |
| 01:29.50 | shingouz | Draconicus: what version of debian you run btw= |
| 01:29.52 | shingouz | ? |
| 01:29.56 | Mez | riot - the -depth option was returning file not found for dir/dir/dir |
| 01:30.00 | Azar | Mez: hey! good reason to do it again |
| 01:30.01 | Mez | even if it existed |
| 01:30.03 | MobyTurbo | Azar: nonsense, a well maintained Linux system never needs reinstallation. |
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| 01:30.13 | riot | Azar: It is a VERY bad practice - once you know how to fix "broken" GNU/Linux's |
| 01:30.13 | Draconicus | shingouz: Etch. Kernel 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 01:30.18 | kbrooks | Mez: dont upgrade that fscking backup system to sid you fucker |
| 01:30.36 | riot | Mez: Just try using ZSH and you won't find those errors ever again ;) |
| 01:30.38 | Mez | MobyTurbo, but if you like living on the edge and running broken packages it does |
| 01:30.40 | Azar | riot: I do not know how to figure out what it goes bad, so I reinstall |
| 01:30.45 | kbrooks | i learned a HUGE lesson |
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| 01:30.56 | Mez | kbrooks - hmmles |
| 01:31.22 | initech | reinstalling is fine if you do it for the right reasons. e.g., I reinstalled from scratch because I wanted to start over with lvm and all the goodies that came out since I first installed 5 years ago. |
| 01:31.26 | Mez | well i might as well play seeing as sarge wont work anyways |
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| 01:31.32 | shingouz | Draconicus: looks to me like that is something associated with hotplug. if it doesn't want to be killed try to restart hotplug, maybe that helps |
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| 01:31.39 | kbrooks | Mez: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 01:32.00 | riot | kbrooks: try not using _BAD_ language - it might save your life on this chan. |
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| 01:32.05 | MobyTurbo | !sing sunday |
| 01:32.05 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 01:32.05 | Mez | I'm only installing debian as I want to be able to have a simple chroot :F |
| 01:32.10 | Mez | actually |
| 01:32.20 | Azar | riot! since we are at it, my last install did not set up the date and time correctly and I have looked at man "time" and I cannot figure out how : confusing formats for me |
| 01:32.41 | Arafangion | Mez: You would be much better off with stable, and backports. |
| 01:32.49 | doggie | initech, surely you could have backed up most of your system and copied it over though (you would need a spare machine/cdrs or similar) -- you would only have minial configuration changes ? |
| 01:32.49 | riot | Mez: read the fscking LFS-Howto (www.tldp.org) |
| 01:32.56 | Arafangion | Mez: Use Sid only if for some reason you want to be on the bleeding edge. |
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| 01:33.04 | kbrooks | Arafangion: is it true that backports break? |
| 01:33.11 | initech | MobyTurbo: all systems build up cruft. reinstalling is the easiest way to get rid of it. |
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| 01:33.18 | riot | Azar: learn reading documentation. if you don't understand howtos and manpages - YOU'RE LOST!!!! |
| 01:33.29 | Mez | Arafangion, I'm just playing with debian - I wont use it for serious work I like playing with broken stuff |
| 01:33.33 | furrywolf | Azar: try man date |
| 01:33.34 | Arafangion | kbrooks: My experience has been quite good, but I use very specific backports - samba and the like. |
| 01:33.38 | JeffH | anyone here use mysql for the forwarding information in postfix? I've setup the table but postfix never queries it. |
| 01:33.42 | Mez | hence why I'm an <not allowed to mention the distro> backport developer |
| 01:33.44 | riot | Arafangion: using some OS to CHROOT is _NOT_ bleeding _EDGE_ behaviour.. |
| 01:33.53 | cheal | anybody has a script to auto-ignore people discussing sid? |
| 01:33.59 | Arafangion | riot: It appears you mis-read what I said. |
| 01:34.00 | kbrooks | Mez: you are allowed to mention it |
| 01:34.02 | MobyTurbo | initech: you can go for years on GNU/Linux without reinstalling. It doesn't keep growing until it uses up all your space, or crash frequently, or any of the other Windows nonsense. |
| 01:34.05 | initech | doggie: well, sure. all my data is nfs mounted anyway, the system itself is disposable |
| 01:34.10 | Mez | kbrooks, I got told off for mentioning it |
| 01:34.34 | Mez | <riot> Mez: stop talkin 'bout ubu**ti |
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| 01:34.43 | riot | Arafangion: Sorry. That is _not_ correct. But my fscking irssi mistabbed your nick ;)))) i meant Azar. |
| 01:34.51 | doggie | initech. mmm im sure there is a way to genereate a list of installed packages and then rebuild a system from there ... i like to keep /etc/ in cvs anyhow |
| 01:34.56 | kbrooks | Mez: A little talk is tolerated |
| 01:35.00 | Azar | man tells me what the command "date" or "time" do but not how to set them up |
| 01:35.19 | MobyTurbo | Azar: maybe you want to run ntp |
| 01:35.20 | riot | Azar: bloody wrong. Better read that manpages again... |
| 01:35.23 | furrywolf | Azar: install ntpdate; let it set the time for you? |
| 01:35.31 | Mez | ppl talk about debian in u****u channels |
| 01:35.34 | Arafangion | riot: In that case you neglected to see the "appears" keyword in my last statement :) |
| 01:35.36 | initech | doggie: sure, that what i did. but going from sid -> sarge there were alot of packages that weren't there. all in all, a minor problem tho |
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| 01:35.49 | Azar | MobyTurbo, I had ntp but I got rooted somehow and uninstalled it |
| 01:35.53 | riot | Hey folks!! Don't solve probels JUST BY RUNNING AWAY!! Date has a VERY nice manpage... |
| 01:35.57 | doggie | fair enough, wasn't criticising :) |
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| 01:36.02 | kbrooks | is downgrading possible? |
| 01:36.09 | MobyTurbo | sigh, I guess its sunday |
| 01:36.13 | initech | MobyTurbo: dude, a sid system will build up a huge amount of cruft over a few years |
| 01:36.18 | riot | Arafangion: ACK ;) (+++I'm drunk... so.. be easy ;) |
| 01:36.19 | furrywolf | MobyTurbo: yep, it is... |
| 01:36.22 | green_earz | JeffH: here a debian postfix mysql howto it may be of some help ? > http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail/ |
| 01:36.23 | doggie | ... nor can I spell apparently, its 2:36am here ... |
| 01:36.29 | marcelo_ | fuck yuos |
| 01:36.33 | marcelo_ | hehehe |
| 01:36.45 | kbrooks | marcelo_: dude. |
| 01:36.46 | MobyTurbo | initech: then run stable |
| 01:37.01 | initech | MobyTurbo: that's what I do :) |
| 01:37.13 | Thanatermesis | how to compose a frase for the bot "apt" in "tell X-user for xorg" example.. ? |
| 01:37.24 | kbrooks | is downgrading possible? |
| 01:37.28 | furrywolf | !downgrade |
| 01:37.29 | dpkg | i heard downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 01:37.30 | riot | kbrooks: hardly. |
| 01:37.31 | shingouz | Thanatermesis: i think there is already one |
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| 01:38.08 | kbrooks | i have a problem.. |
| 01:38.10 | Thanatermesis | shingouz, for apt? I have apt in my channel |
| 01:38.30 | Arafangion | kbrooks: Much easier to just re-install and restore from backups, imho. |
| 01:38.45 | riot | duh. this chan _is to big_ |
| 01:38.51 | kbrooks | when i run invoke-rc.d gpm restart, it states "Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing.". I want GPM to start now! |
| 01:38.51 | shingouz | Thanatermesis: apt has it |
| 01:38.52 | jetx | lies |
| 01:39.13 | jetx | what is invoke |
| 01:39.22 | riot | kbrooks: gpm is to be started as initscript or by hand. |
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| 01:39.24 | jetx | why not kjust /etc/init.d/gpm restart |
| 01:39.28 | shingouz | Thanatermesis: basically you /msg apt keyword is whatever you like the factoid to be |
| 01:39.38 | Thanatermesis | humm... yes |
| 01:39.38 | kbrooks | jetx: thats the same. |
| 01:39.42 | jetx | o |
| 01:39.45 | shingouz | Thanatermesis: and that is it.... simple as that |
| 01:39.51 | jsn | There's no such thing as secure IRC, is there? sIRC? IRC over ssh? |
| 01:39.53 | Thanatermesis | ;) |
| 01:40.08 | jsn | I've meant to ask. |
| 01:40.10 | ^QwErTz^ | kbrooks why dont you use /etc/init.d/gpm start ? |
| 01:40.14 | shingouz | Thanatermesis: just be sure the factoid is correct and that there are no misspellings etc |
| 01:40.25 | riot | Why...!! Who is organizing this chan? Is there some controlling/informational homepage to it except debian.org/*?? |
| 01:40.34 | Arafangion | jsn: No, there is no such thing. |
| 01:40.46 | jsn | Arafangion: Doesn't that strike you as odd? |
| 01:41.00 | kbrooks | ^QwErTz^: same message |
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| 01:41.06 | riot | jsn: irssi has some possibilities to encrypt all it's chats.. |
| 01:41.13 | Arafangion | jsn: Most people like encrypting the client-server communications, but fail to encrypt the server-server communications, and the end-to-end encryptions. |
| 01:41.18 | riot | jsn: means... THERE IS ENCRYPTED IRC.. |
| 01:41.36 | trave11er | jsn: it's called silc |
| 01:41.39 | shingouz | riot: would you please stop yelling |
| 01:41.41 | trave11er | jsn: google for it |
| 01:41.49 | MobyTurbo | jsn: there is a different protocol that is secure, silc |
| 01:41.56 | riot | shingouz: sure, if it wasn't interesting to all the others ;) |
| 01:42.01 | jsn | I'll check that, trave11er. MobyTurbo, what's it called? |
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| 01:42.20 | ^QwErTz^ | kbrooks weird |
| 01:42.31 | ^QwErTz^ | it really exists ? |
| 01:42.44 | jsn | Ever heard of BondHub? It's a secure chat client, freely available to the top bond houses. |
| 01:42.46 | MobyTurbo | jsn: silc - I think irssi supports it and there's a silc-only client definitely |
| 01:42.50 | kbrooks | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.59 | ^QwErTz^ | ls /etc/init.d/ | grep "gpm" |
| 01:43.07 | ^QwErTz^ | the service, is it really there ? |
| 01:43.27 | kbrooks | ^QwErTz^: grr don't ask obvious questions |
| 01:43.33 | jsn | ls /etc/init.d/*gpm* |
| 01:43.42 | MobyTurbo | silc is described in an RFC |
| 01:43.51 | ^QwErTz^ | jsn: the same for me lol |
| 01:43.54 | kbrooks | jsn: you already know the ANSWER! |
| 01:44.10 | SDFH_Linux | where is jabber from? |
| 01:44.15 | Draconicus | GAH! I'm just going to reboot... Too... many... stupids in here right now. |
| 01:44.19 | Arafangion | SDFH_Linux: What? |
| 01:44.27 | Draconicus | Hmm.. |
| 01:44.27 | kbrooks | Any debian pros know the answer to my question? |
| 01:44.29 | Draconicus | !idiot |
| 01:44.29 | dpkg | I know you are, but what am I?, or someone who tries to use a Ubuntu package on Debian and calls it a dpkg issue when dependencies dont resolve |
| 01:44.33 | shingouz | Draconicus: it is sunday... |
| 01:44.37 | SDFH_Linux | jabber chat thing what country uses that? |
| 01:44.45 | Draconicus | shingouz: Ah. Silly me. :P |
| 01:44.52 | shingouz | !sing sunday |
| 01:44.53 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 01:44.55 | afabian | Is there a utility that does something like... lets you manually create a list of packages you're sure you want, then removes all packages not in the list unless something in the list depends on it? |
| 01:44.58 | riot | but i'd like to point _EVERYONE_ here to http://tor.freehaven.net/ |
| 01:45.07 | Arafangion | kbrooks: I believe I'd use /etc/init.d/gpm restart or something, but I have yet to check. |
| 01:45.08 | ^QwErTz^ | well kbrooks, its not normal that it dont start... its probably corrupted or something |
| 01:45.09 | MobyTurbo | brb |
| 01:45.11 | afabian | I know aptitude now does something like this, but I started my sarge install with dselect. |
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| 01:45.32 | kbrooks | Arafangion: I TRIED THAT and it printed the SAME message! |
| 01:45.42 | daesotho | just use xdm |
| 01:45.46 | shingouz | kbrooks: do you really have to shout? |
| 01:45.49 | jetx | kbrooks: as root? |
| 01:45.50 | jsn | anyone dig parliamentarianism? |
| 01:45.57 | K_Dallas | i have never tried deselect but which one of those tools are product of Debian team? |
| 01:45.57 | kbrooks | jetx: yes |
| 01:46.04 | daesotho | and write an xstartup that includes fluxbox |
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| 01:46.34 | jsn | robert's rules of order, all that jazz |
| 01:46.36 | ^QwErTz^ | kbrooks have you tried removing and reinstalling it ? |
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| 01:46.38 | kbrooks | K_Dallas: debian has no "team" |
| 01:46.52 | afabian | Anyone had random lock-ups with zsh as their interactive shell? |
| 01:47.00 | ^QwErTz^ | takes 1 minute, and probably could be fixed |
| 01:47.01 | trave11er | kbrooks: are you familiar with the term UTSL? |
| 01:47.05 | riot | What is the average time of you users being here? (Here it's 3:47) |
| 01:47.14 | Arafangion | 11:47 |
| 01:47.19 | greycat | !bad polls |
| 01:47.20 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
| 01:47.22 | kbrooks | trave11er: dude |
| 01:47.29 | Arafangion | riot: The sum of the averages would probably approach zero, though. |
| 01:47.30 | trave11er | :-) |
| 01:47.37 | kbrooks | tr |
| 01:47.40 | jsn | Thanks especially to trave11er for the silc link. I wonder, is there a silc-server deb package ;) |
| 01:47.41 | Arafangion | riot: Or at least approach GMT, that is. |
| 01:47.42 | ^QwErTz^ | 9:47 pm.. but im there anytime of the day, i dont choose a specific hour |
| 01:47.58 | riot | *bg* If you'd all agree to UTC - then _THAT_ |
| 01:48.10 | riot | would be a real bad question, yes. |
| 01:48.11 | trave11er | kbrooks: stick set -x at the top of /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d and see wgat it does |
| 01:48.16 | newbie | hi ppl |
| 01:48.24 | newbie | could I get some help with wine pls? |
| 01:48.25 | trave11er | kbrooks: if you are so interested |
| 01:48.40 | Arafangion | newbie: No, and I'd advise keeping up with the CVS for wine. |
| 01:48.43 | newbie | I am trying to run mirc there (and pls, dont say me use other irc clients :) |
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| 01:48.59 | newbie | cvs? |
| 01:49.07 | jsn | Night all. |
| 01:49.08 | ^QwErTz^ | kbrooks: what the logs are saying about gpm ? |
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| 01:49.10 | nevyn | mirc in wine? |
| 01:49.10 | ^QwErTz^ | nothing ? |
| 01:49.15 | newbie | yes |
| 01:49.18 | newbie | when I run it |
| 01:49.20 | newbie | it works fine |
| 01:49.23 | ColonelKernel | newbie, cmon - thats one of the most insecure windows progs out there - why would you use mirc? |
| 01:49.23 | nevyn | newbie: umm why? |
| 01:49.25 | newbie | until I connect to any server |
| 01:49.26 | afabian | Does anyone know why when I use the same font resource for rxvt and xterm it looks good on xterm and *terrible* on rxvt? I don't really use most features of xterm (when was the last time *you* needed a Tektronix 4104 emulator?), but I haven't seen a low-memory replacement with good fonts. |
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| 01:49.42 | newbie | insecure? |
| 01:49.42 | riot | newbie: now i'd really advise switching to use irssi and its scripting language (..perl that is) |
| 01:49.44 | thomas_adam | ^QwErTz^: You're still in bat mode... |
| 01:49.45 | spdf | newbie, And then what? |
| 01:49.46 | newbie | why is mirc insecure? hehe |
| 01:49.50 | nevyn | newbie: do you have a massive set of scripts that you've written or something? |
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| 01:49.54 | thomas_adam | newbie: Like a chocolate fireguard. |
| 01:49.57 | Arafangion | newbie: mirc is the single reason why irc viruses exist. |
| 01:49.58 | newbie | spdf: it just stops responding |
| 01:50.04 | ^QwErTz^ | thomas_adam: yes my friend |
| 01:50.07 | newbie | I have to kill it |
| 01:50.09 | ^QwErTz^ | i wont change |
| 01:50.11 | ^QwErTz^ | lol |
| 01:50.15 | ColonelKernel | newbie, because theres a ton of trojans specifically written to infect mirc |
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| 01:50.25 | thomas_adam | So sings Stephen Malkmus... |
| 01:50.27 | afabian | ircII had some pretty famous vulnerabilities. |
| 01:50.29 | Arafangion | newbie: xkill might do the trick, and I'd suggest xchat. |
| 01:50.35 | thomas_adam | And BitchX. |
| 01:50.44 | riot | newbie: now, since you accepted killing your MIRC, start using a real client. Try xchat or irssi (or even BitchX) |
| 01:50.46 | thomas_adam | (that was just the patronising docs, too.) |
| 01:50.47 | afabian | IRC has always played it fast and loose with security. It's an old-school medium. |
| 01:50.54 | Teufel | When my computer starts, I have to run a "ifup eth0" command to connect to the internet, is there a way to make it open a connection when the computer starts? It was opening one automatically but since I've assigned a static ip address, I have to do it manually |
| 01:50.55 | spdf | newbie, Which version of wine? |
| 01:50.55 | newbie | guys |
| 01:51.01 | newbie | I hvae to use mirc |
| 01:51.03 | thomas_adam | afabian: Not old-school, by any means. |
| 01:51.07 | Arafangion | afabian: Yes, but mirc took it to a whole new level. |
| 01:51.07 | thomas_adam | newbie: No you don't. |
| 01:51.11 | Arafangion | newbie: How so? |
| 01:51.12 | newbie | I use scripts which only work on it |
| 01:51.15 | nevyn | newbie: that's ok if you have a decent reason. |
| 01:51.18 | newbie | so I have no choise |
| 01:51.19 | thomas_adam | tub: man 5 interfaces |
| 01:51.21 | Arafangion | newbie: What scripts? |
| 01:51.27 | thomas_adam | Teufel: man 5 interfaces |
| 01:51.40 | shingouz | warez scripts i guess |
| 01:51.40 | nevyn | newbie: there are no similar scripts for other clients? |
| 01:51.43 | nevyn | ah |
| 01:51.49 | Arafangion | newbie: And which scripts? |
| 01:52.00 | riot | newbie: to make it interesting, just try and learn _useful_ scripting languages (like perl) and _re_script your scripts for usage with e.g. irssi |
| 01:52.07 | spdf | Christ, the guy just wants to use mirc.. |
| 01:52.07 | newbie | nope.. its special script.. not like invision or somehting like that |
| 01:52.12 | chalenged | slightly OT question....ppc processors are multicore in the new xbox thats coming...now ignoring the fact thats its an xbox how much work would be involved in taking advantage of the xtra processors....programming wise is it a huge consideration or is it more a compiler setting thing |
| 01:52.13 | Teufel | thomas_adam: thanks I'll look into it |
| 01:52.15 | nevyn | riot: s/perl/python/ |
| 01:52.49 | riot | nevyn: Totally ACK: Does irssi work with python that easy?? i _LOVE_ python ;) |
| 01:52.50 | shingouz | newbie: running mIRC is plain stupid. you did have a real question though, lets hear it |
| 01:52.50 | thomas_adam | Teufel: The whole point is that your networking initscripts do ifup <interface> for you. |
| 01:52.50 | nevyn | chalenged: depends on what you mean by "taking advantage" |
| 01:53.04 | nevyn | riot: I thought it did... |
| 01:53.17 | newbie | i didn't write it, but basically I think it uses socks or soemthing to connect to other server.. its complicated. but trust me, there are no equivalents for it atm. and its NOT public script |
| 01:53.27 | Arafangion | newbie: What does it _do_? |
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| 01:53.31 | riot | nevyn: i use python on ALL of my boxes. Even most of the mobiles i use. |
| 01:53.31 | Teufel | What is DHCP anyway? |
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| 01:53.36 | doub | hi there |
| 01:53.38 | shingouz | !dhcp |
| 01:53.38 | dpkg | i heard dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 01:53.48 | thomas_adam | Teufel: Auto-allocation of IP addresses (essentially). |
| 01:53.58 | thomas_adam | Teufel: Read the networking guide on tldp.org |
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| 01:54.04 | riot | shingouz: you have good knowl |
| 01:54.04 | nevyn | and ntp servers and dns servers and a bunch of other crud |
| 01:54.05 | Arafangion | shingouz: SUcks that dhcp doesn't automatically configure proxies for web browsers :( |
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| 01:54.14 | riot | edge of dpkg. How comes that (sorry for NL) |
| 01:54.14 | Teufel | thomas_adam: ah so when I assigned a static IP address, it can't work with DHCP right? |
| 01:54.15 | nevyn | Arafangion: that is a sucky limitation |
| 01:54.16 | newbie | Arafangion: well hard to describe.. I really cant describe it in public chan |
| 01:54.28 | ^QwErTz^ | Teufel you want to know what is dhcp ? |
| 01:54.29 | thomas_adam | Teufel: Correct -- one takes precedence. |
| 01:54.34 | Arafangion | newbie: You are under an NDA? |
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| 01:54.41 | newbie | NDA? |
| 01:54.52 | riot | Non_Disclosure_agreement |
| 01:54.56 | kbrooks | non disclosure agreement |
| 01:54.59 | riot | (eeeeeeek) |
| 01:55.06 | newbie | yeah, u could say something like that :) |
| 01:55.08 | kbrooks | newbie: are you? |
| 01:55.09 | spdf | newbie, Does it hang after connecting, or during? |
| 01:55.16 | shingouz | newbie: you mean that the script lets you connect as someone else so you can do weird stuff on the net without the feds banging on your door. what was the question you had |
| 01:55.21 | newbie | hmm it hands during |
| 01:55.22 | thomas_adam | Why are you all not in #mirc, discussing this? |
| 01:55.23 | kbrooks | newbie: describe what? |
| 01:55.35 | Arafangion | thomas_adam: He wants to run it under _debian_, not _windows. |
| 01:55.38 | shingouz | ah. i see. |
| 01:55.38 | spdf | newbie, Do you atleast see messages from the server? |
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| 01:55.42 | kbrooks | gtg |
| 01:55.42 | Teufel | I am trying to install php 5.0.4 on my comp, when I get to the ./configure part, it gives me an error that xm12-config wasn't found, and that I should check my libxm12 installation. Can anyone help me or give me a link to read on? |
| 01:55.44 | newbie | kbrooks: describe what the script does etc |
| 01:55.55 | spdf | newbie, Download the latest 16bit version, and try that. |
| 01:55.57 | Arafangion | thomas_adam: He should be in #wine, or #winehq, though, but he has spured the interest of this channel now. |
| 01:56.01 | shingouz | Teufel: you cannot apt-get hte stuff? |
| 01:56.07 | thomas_adam | Arafangion: You're wasting your time, alas. It probably displays the time, or does something trivial. |
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| 01:56.12 | newbie | spdf: yes.. all msges from server are complete, but in middle of connecting I cant write anything anymore |
| 01:56.13 | bronxcoder | hello all |
| 01:56.28 | Teufel | shingouz: I don't think it's a package, when I try apt-get it says it's not found |
| 01:56.47 | shingouz | Teufel: apt-cache search |
| 01:56.51 | Arafangion | thomas_adam: I'll bet it does something trivial. |
| 01:56.59 | doub | Teufel: the debian package name can be a little different, and you'll need the -dev one also |
| 01:56.59 | shingouz | !tell Teufel about search |
| 01:57.01 | Arafangion | thomas_adam: (Indeed) |
| 01:57.03 | Solet-deb_ | i cant remember... what are the 2 commands for getting stats on the ethernet cards conection? |
| 01:57.06 | newbie | well I thought this is the more apropriate channel, as I use Debian 3.1 and updated wine with apt |
| 01:57.15 | thomas_adam | Solet-deb_: ifconfig |
| 01:57.20 | newbie | and use latest mirc as well (with no scripts to start with) |
| 01:57.20 | spdf | newbie, Try disabling the channel dialog that pops up.. |
| 01:57.22 | Arafangion | newbie: wine is _highly_ developmental. |
| 01:57.48 | newbie | spdf: will try.. one moment |
| 01:57.49 | doub | Arafangion: *that* high? ;) |
| 01:58.01 | shingouz | newbie: i think that is something you should ask on some mirc channel, sounds like a problem with the virustrap |
| 01:58.14 | Thanatermesis | apt, hola |
| 01:58.21 | Teufel | shingouz: thanks for the search info, I'll check that out |
| 01:58.23 | bronxcoder | hey I have a question. how do I mount a shared folder on a machin running winxp from via local network (using debian w/o xwindow)? |
| 01:58.27 | ColonelKernel | newbie, if you want to use mirc, use windows. |
| 01:58.39 | thomas_adam | bronxcoder: ntfs? |
| 01:58.40 | Teufel | doub: so I need a different package from the php site? |
| 01:58.42 | bronxcoder | yep |
| 01:58.44 | spdf | bronxcoder, With samba |
| 01:58.50 | thomas_adam | bronxcoder: /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs |
| 01:58.55 | shingouz | riot: huh? |
| 01:59.00 | newbie | ColonelKernel: I am tired of windows :) |
| 01:59.05 | Solet-deb_ | thomas_adams: thanks... the other one is iwconfig then..... thanks... |
| 01:59.08 | riot | shingouz: u read me, fido ;) |
| 01:59.08 | bronxcoder | hmmmm |
| 01:59.09 | bronxcoder | k |
| 01:59.14 | ColonelKernel | newbie, then stop using mirc |
| 01:59.25 | thomas_adam | Solet-deb_: That's OK. I'm famed for answering your questions from weeks past, if you recall. |
| 01:59.39 | shingouz | bronxcoder: man smbmount |
| 01:59.41 | doub | Teufel: not mandatory, YMMV. but the libxml thing can be part of another package or the like, you can search for missing files on packages.debian.org |
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| 01:59.56 | newbie | spdf: spdf yes u were right.. its teh channel list. tried to click the button |
| 01:59.58 | Vladi_here | newbie, use chatzilla, it's simple to start |
| 02:00.00 | Solet-deb_ | hrm... i vaguely remember the nick... but i cant remember what you were helping me with :P |
| 02:00.01 | newbie | and its stack |
| 02:00.02 | Arafangion | newbie: No matter what your script does, either it's a stupid script (warez, spam, etc), or there is an alternative, or an alternative can be constructed very easily. |
| 02:00.05 | Solet-deb_ | prolly my printer.... |
| 02:00.06 | newbie | so how to turn it off? |
| 02:00.16 | Teufel | doub: I'll do that, thanks doub |
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| 02:00.20 | newbie | if I cant open that window and disable the selection? |
| 02:00.25 | riot | Duh. _Really_.. mirc _is_ a sick client. If you dare learning some perl basics you're gonna love clients like irssi. (not to forget python.. which KICKS ASS) |
| 02:00.26 | spdf | newbie, Hmm, There's a checkbox at the bottom of it if I'm not mistaken.. |
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| 02:00.26 | SDFH_Linux | is there a way to make the text smaller during bootup? |
| 02:00.34 | Teufel | newbie shutdown -h now |
| 02:00.35 | spdf | newbie, oh, well, one sec I'll see if I can find it in the mirc.ini |
| 02:00.35 | newbie | thats right spdf |
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| 02:00.42 | shingouz | newbie: configuring mirc is not our forte.... |
| 02:00.51 | ARIEL | hi, very short question how do I set up my eth0 in order to get it working with dhcp?¿ |
| 02:00.51 | afabian | SDFH_Linux: Framebuffer. But it's going to stay that way after boot-up, too. |
| 02:01.03 | SDFH_Linux | really why? |
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| 02:01.08 | riot | SDFH_Linux: Yes - by switching to VESA-Modes. Try reading your boot-loaders manual page for them. |
| 02:01.21 | shingouz | ARIEL: man interfaces is about the shortest answer i can give |
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| 02:01.38 | ricky_clarkson | ~search elive |
| 02:01.44 | newbie | shingouz: I know.. I am sorry if that pisses u off.. but most likely mirc chan would just tell me use windows.. LOL |
| 02:01.54 | SDFH_Linux | riot where is that at? |
| 02:02.00 | doggie | ARIEL: /msg dpkg smb client |
| 02:02.34 | Solet-deb_ | newbie: are you trying to use mirc with an emulator? |
| 02:02.34 | spdf | newbie, You're going to have to ask in the mIRC forum for that.. |
| 02:02.35 | Arafangion | newbie: Does the script allow you to transparently chat to different servers? |
| 02:02.44 | shingouz | newbie: it does not piss me off, i just find it real hard to figure out how to help you without telling you to ask in a mirc channel about configuring it. besides if i were pissed off you would know, trust me on that ;) |
| 02:02.45 | Arafangion | Solet-deb_: And an out-of-date one as that. |
| 02:02.49 | newbie | Solet-deb_: yes.. with wine to be exact |
| 02:03.16 | newbie | Arafangion: yes :) |
| 02:03.17 | newbie | thats it |
| 02:03.20 | Solet-deb_ | out of date? which one the emulator or the mirc client? |
| 02:03.20 | ARIEL | doggie: smb???? it sounds like smb protocol makes me think in samba? |
| 02:03.24 | newbie | maybe u are on it as well.. lol |
| 02:03.33 | Arafangion | newbie: So, why couldn't you just tell us that? |
| 02:03.40 | afabian | newbie: OpenOffice, in some instances, is no replacement for Microsoft Office. And there's proprietary software you have to have Windows or a Windows API for that has no Linux alternative at all, mostly pretty specialized. But when it comes to IRC, Windows was playing on UNIX's turf, and it's the Windows applications that are inferior. Get yourself a UNIX IRC client. |
| 02:03.44 | shingouz | ARIEL: it is part of samba, yes |
| 02:03.45 | Arafangion | newbie: xchat allows you to also chat to different servers (each server has a tab) |
| 02:03.46 | newbie | I didnt know how to describe it.. hehe |
| 02:03.47 | doggie | ARIEL: brain melting /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 02:03.50 | newbie | I didn't write it |
| 02:04.02 | doggie | ARIEL: i don't know what i doing up at 3am |
| 02:04.15 | thomas_adam | 03:04 now. |
| 02:04.18 | Arafangion | newbie: You could've explained what it allows you to do, anyway. |
| 02:04.32 | riot | SDFH_Linux: ask "dpkg" in a query about grub or lilo |
| 02:04.42 | newbie | Arafangion: no that not it.. what this script does, it making connection to diffrent server (I dont think its even irc server) and tricking mirc to see it as channel |
| 02:04.59 | newbie | where I could talk to other ppl who use the same script, but not see them, not be able to whois them |
| 02:05.10 | ARIEL | doggie: ohh.. I can see. sorry, here is gtm -3 |
| 02:05.16 | thomas_adam | newbie: So a bit like an /invite to a private channel? |
| 02:05.16 | riot | first thing when entering here should be a short introduction on "What/Who is dpkg"... hasn't that been considered?? |
| 02:05.26 | SDFH_Linux | dpkg grub |
| 02:05.26 | dpkg | i heard grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
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| 02:05.35 | thomas_adam | riot: Well, people with a brain tend to work it out... |
| 02:05.37 | shingouz | a connection with a proxy is what i think |
| 02:05.37 | MrDuck | hello |
| 02:05.48 | newbie | thomas_adam: yes.. a bit like.. each user in addition to the script has username/pass in ini file |
| 02:05.51 | doggie | riot: im sure there is something about dpkg in the FAQ |
| 02:05.52 | shingouz | SDFH_Linux: /msg dpkg grub |
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| 02:05.59 | riot | thomas_adam: Yes. I am talking about people _without_ brains.. |
| 02:06.01 | rapoza | hi |
| 02:06.10 | thomas_adam | newbie: Read that back to yourself -- then you'll realise what we meant by security, earlier. |
| 02:06.14 | rapoza | someone knows why sasl2 of debian don´t acess cript? |
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| 02:06.23 | rapoza | i use postfix+postresql |
| 02:06.23 | thomas_adam | riot: Look around here -- there's lots. |
| 02:06.25 | riot | doggie: no one coming here for the first time ever reads the FAQ----imho.. |
| 02:06.28 | Arafangion | newbie: What is the purpose of all this? Just sounds like a really obtuse and impractical way to achieve anonymousity. |
| 02:06.32 | riot | thomas_adam: d'accord ;) |
| 02:06.33 | rapoza | and sasl don´t access user@domain.com.br |
| 02:06.35 | doub | riot: how can you hope to use debian without using your brains a little? |
| 02:06.42 | thomas_adam | de rien. |
| 02:06.46 | doggie | riot: i must say, i read it once ages ago, and havent since |
| 02:06.47 | riot | doub: ya - right ;) |
| 02:06.54 | afabian | As a matter of policy, how much is Debian willing to motify upstream packages? Say, for instance, the manual pages? I'd like to see references to... oh, say, /etc/sysconfig from RedHat, which doesn't exist on Debian, removed. |
| 02:06.55 | riot | doggie: see? ;) |
| 02:06.59 | Arafangion | newbie: The other question is _WHY_ are you using htat script? _WHY_ do you need it? |
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| 02:07.12 | MrDuck | i'm trying to set up the authentification of courier and through courierwebadmin i cannot choose as auth module authshadow.. is it istalled? if not how can i do it |
| 02:07.12 | doggie | riot: i also spent an instructive hlaf an hour browsing the different words dpkg knows |
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| 02:07.25 | riot | doggie: YOU DID?? wows!! |
| 02:07.39 | riot | i'm impressed ;) |
| 02:07.41 | newbie | Arafangion: its not just about talking to ppl.. in fact thats the secondary purpose.. main purpose is use central databse on server for results of stuff like /dupe etc.. (stuff like in nforce.nl) |
| 02:07.47 | doggie | riot: somewhere there is an archive of his database |
| 02:07.59 | riot | doggie: did it know answers for a _full_ half hour??? |
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| 02:08.13 | doggie | riot: ii dont understand |
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| 02:08.23 | Arafangion | newbie: Sounds like they should've used Jabber, or at the least a real database client. |
| 02:08.32 | Dimitri | #ubuntu-es |
| 02:09.08 | Arafangion | newbie: I hope they fired the dude that tied it inot mirc. |
| 02:09.28 | newbie | Arafangion: maybe.. and maybe not.. that doesn't change the fact I cant live w.out that script.. that is the only reason I didn't go linux as desktop long ago |
| 02:09.40 | thomas_adam | newbie: Pffft. |
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| 02:09.54 | newbie | hehe.. he is good guy :) and he does it for free.. who would fire him? :) |
| 02:10.05 | riot | doggie: did you ask dpkg for "advanced" packages? lyk kismet, ion3 or even colorize? |
| 02:10.19 | doub | newbie: if every windows user has such a reason to stick with it, i understand why there's so few desktop debian users |
| 02:10.38 | doggie | riot: mostly i looked up the different ! commands i could use .. !LART was a good one i think |
| 02:10.39 | doub | newbie: but at the same time, we're lucky this kind of people refrain from using it ;) |
| 02:10.54 | Arafangion | newbie: You could ask him to give you an alternate means of access... mirc really is not a good method. |
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| 02:11.06 | riot | doggie: i'm gonna try that *g* |
| 02:11.10 | jair | hello guys |
| 02:11.11 | Arafangion | newbie: If it is inherently chat-based, I would suggest jabber. |
| 02:11.26 | jair | I have a server with windows and Linux installed |
| 02:11.33 | doggie | !tell riot about advanced |
| 02:11.44 | newbie | Arafangion: may I pm? might be able to explain better |
| 02:11.45 | riot | duh.. use teh fscking dictionary. |
| 02:12.13 | Arafangion | newbie: Sure. |
| 02:12.27 | doggie | anyhow, on with the project |
| 02:12.28 | jair | I did a mess because I had Linux debian sarge installed in the first hda and then I had the hdb with a ext3 of linux using it as a storage =250GB |
| 02:12.35 | riot | doggie: try surfing around on catb.org ... there is something called "The Jargon File" |
| 02:12.47 | doggie | i know the Jargon File |
| 02:13.02 | doggie | obviously not the whole thing |
| 02:13.08 | doggie | but some good bits |
| 02:13.25 | jair | now I decide to install windows on it, but I could not install the windows on the second hdb and leave linux on the hda |
| 02:13.32 | riot | it is good lecture ;) though some non-english bits are missing. |
| 02:14.06 | jair | so what I did is rsync to back up the hda and its partitions to three new partitions created on the shriked space of hdb |
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| 02:14.28 | jair | now the linux system is running from the hdb and the windows was installed on the hda |
| 02:14.39 | riot | uuh.. gotta go sleep. I whish everyone here a very pleasant day (or whatever you happen to encounter just now.) and wish to express that DEBIAN is the most best GNU/Linux ever! |
| 02:14.48 | Miaz | my (admittedly rather n00bish) friend put `sync` in his crontab |
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| 02:14.56 | Miaz | can someone please tell me why that is pointless and stupid? |
| 02:15.13 | jair | but in order to boot the linux system I have to place any cd with grub and tell it the command to boot the root kernel and initrd |
| 02:15.30 | afabian | Miaz: The operating system is already flushing all pending writes every 5 seconds. You can modify it through /proc. |
| 02:15.39 | jair | riot, thank you |
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| 02:16.26 | cheal | how come the nonvulns are not updated anymore? |
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| 02:16.37 | jair | so to make it shorter, it is a way of install the grub again in the first sector of the hda after I delete the grub that was there and replace it fro the NTLDR of windows xp |
| 02:16.40 | jair | ? |
| 02:16.47 | Miaz | afabian: so sync is pointless on journaled filesystems, right? |
| 02:17.15 | afabian | Miaz: There is not much use for users to call sync directly. The system scripts take care of it when it's needed. |
| 02:17.18 | shingouz | Miaz: sync is pointless on any filesystem in normal use |
| 02:17.21 | doub | Miaz: on any sort of fs with any modern unix |
| 02:17.35 | afabian | If you're about to lose power and can't stand to lose 5 seconds worth of work, or are about to jerk a USB drive loose, sync away. |
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| 02:18.05 | Vladi_here | jair, grub-install /dev/hda, maybe |
| 02:18.06 | sith-R2D2 | hello - anybody here using a synaptic touchpad with debian? |
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| 02:18.22 | thomas_adam | sith-R2D2: Ask your question. |
| 02:18.23 | Miaz | well my friend put sync into his crontab |
| 02:18.23 | sith-R2D2 | i'm having speed/sensitivity issues with my touchpad |
| 02:18.32 | thomas_adam | sith-R2D2: man xset |
| 02:18.34 | Miaz | which i find to be exceedingly stupid |
| 02:18.35 | doub | afabian: which is exactly what umount does... |
| 02:18.37 | shingouz | sith-R2D2: how about just tell the channel the problem you have and see if someone can answer |
| 02:18.37 | sith-R2D2 | what speed/sensitivity do you have set in your xf86config? |
| 02:18.51 | Miaz | luckily i have root on that box |
| 02:18.53 | Miaz | so i will go take it out |
| 02:19.03 | jair | Vladi_here, did you read the whole status where I am? |
| 02:19.07 | jetx | my first kernel compile since i installed sid w/new installer: installing the kernel.deb fuxored updating the symlinks |
| 02:19.14 | jetx | :( |
| 02:19.16 | zirikili | a simple question: when apt-build rebuild my entire system using my processor features, does the system run faster? |
| 02:19.26 | sith-R2D2 | question - how to set my minspeed maxspeed and accelfactor for my synaptic laptop touchpad in XF86config so that i have good cursor control? i can't seem to find a good combinatin of speed and sensitivity... |
| 02:19.43 | Vladi_here | sorry, not |
| 02:19.47 | jair | Vladi_here, I need to find out a how-to or tutorial for the installation of grub in the MBR where the NTLDR is now |
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| 02:20.05 | jetx | apt-get install grub-doc |
| 02:20.06 | afabian | zirikili: Having used FreeBSD and Gentoo pretty extensively, played with all kinds of compiler options... sure, in theory, it does. In practice, don't waste your time. |
| 02:20.09 | jetx | && info grub |
| 02:20.23 | jair | jetx, thank you |
| 02:20.32 | afabian | zirikili: Might want to look into prelinking, though. I have prelink run weekly in my crontab. |
| 02:20.35 | JeffH | Is there a postfix configuration item that would override the virtual_alias_maps item and keep postfix from going to mysql to get forwarding information? |
| 02:20.41 | sith-R2D2 | are any of you thinking of switching to MacOS once it comes out for x86 platforms? |
| 02:20.42 | shingouz | zirikili: this is to illustrate a point, not to tick you off |
| 02:20.46 | jetx | if that's not the pkg name it's something like that |
| 02:20.47 | shingouz | !gentoosmite zirikili |
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| 02:21.09 | shingouz | zirikili: that is what usually happens with the recompiles in the real world |
| 02:21.11 | grep | there is no one alive in debian ppc |
| 02:21.23 | grep | is powerbook 3400c considered old world or new world |
| 02:21.27 | shingouz | old |
| 02:21.30 | grep | ohh |
| 02:21.35 | grep | no wonder i can't book off the cd |
| 02:21.48 | Vladi_here | apt-get install grub then configure /boot/grub/menu.lst correctly then grub-install /dev/hda |
| 02:21.50 | grep | it was reffered to as both on different websites |
| 02:21.58 | shingouz | grep: you are in for some interesting times installing on that one i think |
| 02:22.06 | grep | i got this free laptop |
| 02:22.10 | grep | its years old |
| 02:22.11 | shingouz | grep: i am guessing bootX |
| 02:22.12 | zirikili | shingouz: too many time |
| 02:22.14 | afabian | zirikili: Take, for instance, mplayer. mplayer claims that it's best to recompile it for your machine, and not use run-time CPU detection. In practice, I've never seen the slightest bit of difference either way. I don't bother to compile mplayer anymore. |
| 02:22.25 | grep | whats bootX |
| 02:22.28 | sith-R2D2 | grep - where did you find a free laptop? craigslists?? |
| 02:22.35 | grep | it runs open firmware 2.0.1 |
| 02:22.45 | grep | system 8.1 |
| 02:23.04 | shingouz | !tell grep about laptop |
| 02:23.08 | jair | Vladi_here, this is the thing |
| 02:23.08 | grep | my sisters bf had on old powerbook sittin around, he was gonna throw it away, i said let me put linux on it |
| 02:23.21 | zirikili | afabian: what is the prelink you talk about? |
| 02:23.23 | doub | afabian: you might notice some difference when backing up your dvds to xvid or the like with mencoder |
| 02:23.27 | shingouz | grep: check the links dpkg told you about, there is some nice information |
| 02:23.30 | jair | Vladi_here, are you able to listen and suggest me what to do after hear the status? |
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| 02:23.32 | grep | ok |
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| 02:23.55 | sith-R2D2 | grep, what does your sister's bf do for a living? he rich? my good...why is he giving laptops away? |
| 02:23.56 | sith-R2D2 | geez.. |
| 02:24.09 | afabian | zirikili: it will make your applications start faster, but not run faster. |
| 02:24.15 | shingouz | grep: if you get linux on the thing you have learned a lot about installs and running it. go for it but it will be painful i think. fun though |
| 02:24.19 | grep | heh, 404 |
| 02:24.20 | Miaz | sith-R2D2: that comment is only valid depending on just how old the PB is |
| 02:24.23 | JeffH | any postfix masters here? I can't seem to get aliasing/forwarding to work. |
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| 02:24.29 | shingouz | sith-R2D2: a powerbook 3400 is ancient |
| 02:24.37 | sith-R2D2 | ah |
| 02:24.39 | grep | hes pretty well off |
| 02:24.39 | Miaz | right, you can get them at garage sales |
| 02:24.42 | sith-R2D2 | a relic...must weight 20 lbs |
| 02:24.51 | Miaz | no, they're small |
| 02:24.53 | Miaz | ish |
| 02:24.54 | daesotho | powerbook 120 |
| 02:24.54 | zirikili | afabian: thank you |
| 02:24.55 | daesotho | ha |
| 02:24.57 | grep | but this is an old laptop man, he was gonna throw it away anyway |
| 02:25.09 | sith-R2D2 | it would make a great router/firewall |
| 02:25.23 | daesotho | ooh thinkpad with a 486 and 16MiB |
| 02:25.24 | Miaz | sith-R2D2: not really... |
| 02:25.24 | doub | grep: old doesn't mean useless |
| 02:25.34 | daesotho | good enough for quake (barely) |
| 02:25.36 | Vladi_here | jair, not to mix up OS's install seprately with only one disk attached, then install bootloader grub whatever disk i want |
| 02:25.38 | Miaz | PCMCIA network cards are so flaky |
| 02:25.41 | sith-R2D2 | Miaz, why not? just hoook a switch up to it and give it another NIC |
| 02:25.55 | Miaz | sith-R2D2: it barely has space for two NICs |
| 02:25.57 | doub | grep: even if tv brainwashing tries to makes you think the contrary |
| 02:25.59 | Miaz | it doesnt have an onboard one |
| 02:26.00 | daesotho | lol yea pcmcia ethernet |
| 02:26.03 | grep | doub: yup |
| 02:26.05 | daesotho | 2MBit at that |
| 02:26.18 | Miaz | daesotho: i thought it could do 10..? |
| 02:26.19 | sith-R2D2 | Miaz, what's so flakey about pcmcia ethernet? |
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| 02:26.28 | daesotho | i dunno |
| 02:26.32 | shingouz | daesotho: 2M ethernet? |
| 02:26.35 | Miaz | sith-R2D2: when you have two crammed up right next to each other, the dongles snap and break... |
| 02:26.38 | daesotho | yea |
| 02:26.41 | daesotho | coaxial |
| 02:26.48 | daesotho | hehe |
| 02:26.50 | shingouz | daesotho: that is 10m fyi |
| 02:27.01 | daesotho | really? |
| 02:27.01 | sith-R2D2 | hahah |
| 02:27.04 | daesotho | ok 10 |
| 02:27.07 | shingouz | yes it is daesotho |
| 02:27.09 | Miaz | IIRC the powerbook 3400 had space for two global village modem/ethernet 10 meg cads |
| 02:27.10 | sith-R2D2 | Miaz, they have new pcmcia ethernet cards without the dongles |
| 02:27.12 | Miaz | cards* |
| 02:27.16 | sith-R2D2 | i actually have one |
| 02:27.22 | Miaz | sith-R2D2: well, the ones old powerbooks are compatible with... |
| 02:27.27 | sith-R2D2 | ah |
| 02:27.28 | sith-R2D2 | ok |
| 02:27.35 | Miaz | yeah, it's pretty ghetto |
| 02:27.38 | sith-R2D2 | nice |
| 02:27.40 | sith-R2D2 | ghettomac |
| 02:27.41 | shingouz | sith-R2D2: and the new ethernet pcmcia cards are cardbus and not supported by the 16-bit hardware |
| 02:27.46 | sith-R2D2 | you should go to lowendmac.com |
| 02:28.14 | sith-R2D2 | how much does it cost per month to run a desktop linux firewall/router? $20 in electricity? |
| 02:28.14 | daesotho | lol global village |
| 02:28.23 | daesotho | ooh eworld |
| 02:28.25 | daesotho | hehe |
| 02:28.38 | ColonelKernel | sith-R2D2, depends on the box |
| 02:28.55 | JeffH | how do I put postfix into a debug mode? |
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| 02:29.06 | sith-R2D2 | i'm debating whether to hack up a linksys router with new firmware or just slap together a box for routing |
| 02:29.09 | daesotho | how about ~free because its my desktop? |
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| 02:29.13 | daesotho | hehe |
| 02:29.18 | doub | sith-R2D2: depends on the hardware. a full featured desktop computer on 24/7 costs average 200 euros/year here in france |
| 02:29.40 | sith-R2D2 | 200 euros =400US dollars? |
| 02:29.48 | shingouz | about that |
| 02:29.53 | shingouz | a bit less |
| 02:29.55 | sith-R2D2 | sigh |
| 02:30.20 | shingouz | sith-R2D2: every hobby has its price |
| 02:30.21 | yarno | Hi everybody. ^_^ I'm trying to get my USB hard drive to work and I'm not having much luck. It appears under devices and everything under sda but it says it cannot determine the filesystem. Manual mounting says bad filesystem. |
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| 02:30.33 | jim | sith-R2D2: advantage of former... less power drawn |
| 02:30.40 | yarno | The filesystem is good I know because it works on other things. |
| 02:30.41 | shingouz | yarno: and the filesystem is? |
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| 02:30.55 | afabian | sith-R2D2: Every consumer 'broadband router' I bought dropped my connections once a day for no good reason. They also don't do cool things like traffic shaping. |
| 02:30.56 | sith-R2D2 | jim, why not just use an old 200 mhz desktop...loweer clock speed would suck up less juice |
| 02:30.58 | rapoza | someone see this.. |
| 02:30.59 | rapoza | Jun 19 20:24:23 localhost imapd: couriertls: /usr/share/imapd.pem: error:0200100 |
| 02:30.59 | rapoza | 2:system library:fopen:No such file or directory |
| 02:31.09 | yarno | FAT32 |
| 02:31.11 | Miaz | mm... <3 my P2400 everything server |
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| 02:31.19 | sith-R2D2 | afabian, yes,....that's why i want to set up a new router...to do traffic shaping...the people i live with are p2p leeches |
| 02:31.20 | jim | advantage of latter... much more control over your routing, in fact almost infinite possibilities |
| 02:31.43 | shingouz | yarno: and the mount command you used? |
| 02:31.43 | doub | shingouz: it's not 1 euro = 2 dollars yet, is it? last time i looked it was 1 eur = 1.3 us$ |
| 02:31.48 | Vladi_here | need to sleep mixin' up words |
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| 02:31.54 | afabian | sith-R2D2: If you're feeling really adventerous and don't mind dropping a load of cash on a small, low-power drain device (best of both worlds), set up OpenBSD on a Soekris box. |
| 02:32.06 | shingouz | doub: i am not sure about the rate. not one for two, that is sure |
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| 02:32.21 | sith-R2D2 | hrm...soekris...i'l google that |
| 02:32.34 | doub | afabian: there's the linksys w54rtg or something too |
| 02:32.36 | jim | you couldn't put debian on one? |
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| 02:33.09 | TwistedLappy | i accidentally deleted my main debian source so now i cant download anything... |
| 02:33.18 | MrDuck | i deleted exim4 and installed courier insted.. but now nothing works... and i don't find a way to reconfigure properly.. can anyone help plz |
| 02:33.19 | greyson | Where did qmail go in the package lists? |
| 02:33.23 | yarno | fstab says /dev/sda /media/usb0 and auto under type. I tried to mount it with mount -t vfat /media/usb0 /mnt/dd and that doesn't work either |
| 02:33.42 | TwistedLappy | Anyone know where I can find normal debian packages? |
| 02:33.47 | jbmigel | sith-R2D2 what i did to decrease power usage was activate powernow on my k8, drops it down to 800Mhz when not in demand... then 2GHz when needed |
| 02:34.05 | daesotho | TwistedLappy: did you screw up /etc/sources.list? |
| 02:34.12 | chalenged | greyson: qmail is quirky you have to go to the site. |
| 02:34.12 | sith-R2D2 | jbmigel, does intel have that feature too? or just amd chips? |
| 02:34.15 | shingouz | yarno: i need more information, doesn't work is not an error i have seen on my system |
| 02:34.16 | daesotho | */etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:34.19 | jim | TwistedLappy: you mean deleted a line in a file? deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 02:34.22 | TwistedLappy | daesotho: yeah I deleted main source... |
| 02:34.35 | TwistedLappy | haha thanks |
| 02:34.39 | TwistedLappy | jim: your the man |
| 02:34.39 | ColonelKernel | jbmigel, how much electricity do you save doing that |
| 02:34.43 | jbmigel | sith-R2D2 hmmm im not sure about intel chips sorry |
| 02:34.44 | daesotho | deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ unstable main |
| 02:34.51 | daesotho | yea |
| 02:34.53 | daesotho | nice |
| 02:34.57 | chalenged | sith-R2D2: no it's in the intel chips....regardless of which none of them work without kernel patching i beleive |
| 02:35.01 | jim | TwistedLappy: you can learn to be the man too :P |
| 02:35.16 | jim | man 5 sources.list |
| 02:35.21 | jim | causes manness |
| 02:35.24 | doub | sith-R2D2: 200 eur = 244 us$ |
| 02:35.26 | jbmigel | ColonelKernel i havent had it up long enough to compare but my room used to get HOT from the heat it would generate, now i dont even notice it so i bet its alot... costs a fortune to heat a room lol |
| 02:35.39 | daesotho | hehe |
| 02:35.47 | yarno | the error is wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, missing codepage or other error |
| 02:36.05 | shingouz | jbmigel: but when you have the computer on there you do not have to heat the room as much so you save there |
| 02:36.06 | greyson | chalenged: That much I know -- but a while ago debian had a nifty auto-download-from-djb-and-build |
| 02:36.07 | Arafangion | newbie is indeed concerned with warez, hence why he needed mirc. |
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| 02:36.11 | greyson | script for a package |
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| 02:36.29 | greyson | I was more wondering what had happened to that. |
| 02:36.48 | jbmigel | heh |
| 02:36.50 | doub | shingouz: after checking 1 eur = 1.2 us$, or 0.8 eur = 1 us$ |
| 02:36.51 | shingouz | yarno: you 'mount /media/usb0' |
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| 02:36.57 | Thanatermesis | dondelelcaro, how to set autoreponses to a apt ? |
| 02:37.07 | chalenged | greyson: i think it died after kernel releases....ie ubuntu patches worked till the pritine sources changed.. |
| 02:37.10 | shingouz | doub: ok ok ok, i do not really care at this point ;) |
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| 02:37.15 | afabian | The warez kiddies are funny. They're really a lot like Linux users, except they don't have any sense. |
| 02:37.18 | yarno | no no /dev/sda , sorry |
| 02:37.20 | sith-R2D2 | jbmigel, when i run my 3.4ghz p4 with radeon x800xt for games...man my room gets up to 84 degrees ...it's insane |
| 02:37.20 | daesotho | no its not |
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| 02:37.36 | Arafangion | afabian: That is actually hard to understand :) |
| 02:37.37 | sith-R2D2 | computers can really heat up a room |
| 02:37.45 | daesotho | .8 eur - 1 us would be 1 eur - 1.25 us |
| 02:37.48 | Arafangion | sith-R2D2: I wish mine did :( |
| 02:37.58 | sith-R2D2 | Arafangion, are you cold? :) |
| 02:37.58 | Thanatermesis | dondelelcaro, I have apt in my channel, how to set a auto-response if any user ask "new version of elive" ? |
| 02:38.03 | shingouz | yarno: you 'mount /media/usb0' <--- that should work |
| 02:38.05 | Arafangion | sith-R2D2: Yes, and it's winter. |
| 02:38.17 | greyson | chalenged: Then we come to a problem which I have been trying to figure out for a long time... How does one make a custom compiled package satisfy requirements... |
| 02:38.18 | doub | sith-R2D2: yeah, i don't need any other warm source during winter ;) |
| 02:38.32 | jbmigel | sith-R2D2 haha yeah i hear them new P4's can really burn the energy... wont be long before people switch to the centrinos in the pc's... that or buy frying pan cpu fan assembly |
| 02:38.32 | Arafangion | sith-R2D2: Recharging my laptop helps a bit, though. |
| 02:39.13 | ColonelKernel | I dont think my p4 northwood burns a lot of juice but I can't really tell |
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| 02:39.29 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.42 | TwistedLappy | Anyone here know if qcad and read autocad 2006 files? |
| 02:39.51 | doub | jbmigel: that or urge people not to waste power cycles uselessly and burry pointy-clicky interfaces |
| 02:40.03 | Arafangion | TwistedLappy: Get them to dump in dwg format. |
| 02:40.16 | jim | what reads dwg? |
| 02:40.17 | TwistedLappy | kk thanks |
| 02:40.17 | doub | jbmigel: we would be all using 400 mhz at best |
| 02:40.28 | netstat_ | I have 2 8dB gain wireless AP's, bridging, getting fluxating response times, as well as d/l times. It's the Dlink 2100AP, any ideas why? |
| 02:40.45 | TwistedLappy | Arafangion: is that a feature in autocad? |
| 02:40.46 | daesotho | i use 1.3GHz to render quake in 1024x768 |
| 02:40.54 | TwistedLappy | Arafangion: just save as dwg? |
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| 02:41.34 | doub | jbmigel: only salesmen can make you think you need a bi-xeon to run your office suite |
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| 02:41.41 | Arafangion | TwistedLappy: You could also investigate opendwg, but you may have to pay money for that. |
| 02:41.47 | jbmigel | doub ya 400Mhz is pretty good still, unless you wanna doom3 or something... |
| 02:41.51 | Arafangion | TwistedLappy: But dwg is supposed to be the 'universal' format. |
| 02:41.54 | Arafangion | TwistedLappy: OOPS. |
| 02:41.59 | Arafangion | TwistedLappy: I meant DXF |
| 02:42.01 | doub | jbmigel: of course, but that's a whole other story |
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| 02:42.03 | Miaz | my everything server is 400mhz |
| 02:42.06 | Arafangion | DXF is the universal format. |
| 02:42.10 | Miaz | and the only bottleneck is my ADSL line :-p |
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| 02:42.14 | edgarin | Hello |
| 02:42.21 | TwistedLappy | Arafangion: oh... so just save as DXF? kk... thanks |
| 02:42.21 | Arafangion | Miaz: Likely that isn't the bottleneck. |
| 02:42.35 | Miaz | actually, the 384k upload on my ADSL line |
| 02:42.36 | Miaz | sucks |
| 02:42.38 | Miaz | greatly |
| 02:42.38 | edgarin | Howto download a new version of package |
| 02:42.46 | edgarin | apt-get -f tvtime? |
| 02:42.55 | Arafangion | Miaz: Likely the pathetically small FIFO is a bigger issue. :) |
| 02:42.58 | batmao | Hi. `apt-get install -f` results in "install-info: No such file or directory for General Commands |
| 02:42.58 | batmao | dpkg: error processing tar (--configure): |
| 02:42.58 | batmao | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.10 | Guerin | edgarin: apt-get install; if there's a newer one, it'll come in |
| 02:43.15 | batmao | Sorry for multi-line. |
| 02:43.21 | jbmigel | ya i was thinking the other day i prolly wont have to upgrade my comp anymore for 10 years now that i found linux... saves me a fortune |
| 02:43.22 | doub | jbmigel: we would benefit from standard hardware, like in game stations (don't know the english name, it's playstation for example, or game cube) for games |
| 02:43.26 | edgarin | mmm Guerin: my package is tvtime |
| 02:43.34 | Guerin | edgarin: so? |
| 02:43.35 | edgarin | and.. I'm install tvtime |
| 02:43.37 | edgarin | the problem |
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| 02:43.46 | doub | jbmigel: running doom3 or hl2 wouldn't require massive hw then |
| 02:43.47 | edgarin | is I like download the new version of this package |
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| 02:44.16 | Guerin | edgarin: run etch - /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 02:44.45 | xaphod | help - i'm using debian's 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel, and my mobo has a sis735 IDE controller, and i'm seeing HD errors every 5 mins or so (and i know it isn't hardware) like "status=0x51 \n error=0x04" |
| 02:44.46 | jbmigel | doub ya i hear the new ps3 hard drives will ship with a linux distro, so everyone can set them up as fileservers while they arnt playing games! |
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| 02:45.01 | Miaz | jbmigel: where did you hear THAT? |
| 02:45.16 | sith-R2D2 | mmm! |
| 02:45.45 | doub | well, bed time. happy debian time everybody, and see you |
| 02:45.48 | jbmigel | Miaz: dont know if you can trust the source but http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/10/145227&tid=10&tid=106 |
| 02:46.07 | kingsley_ | Has anyone else noticed that after a day or so of use, firefox slows down and eventually hangs? |
| 02:46.17 | sith-R2D2 | kingsley_, that's not supposed to happen |
| 02:46.26 | sith-R2D2 | are you running it as root? |
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| 02:47.08 | greyson | kingsley_, not particularly... but a quick way to hang firefox is to open up 32 or more tabs. |
| 02:47.16 | kmitchell | i'm having trouble with the nvidia driver package from debian.org. it says i need to install kernel-headers, but they don't have them for my specific kernel version |
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| 02:47.20 | greyson | it may be related. |
| 02:47.23 | kingsley_ | sith-R2D2: I agree that it shouldn't happen, and firefox shouldn't be run as root. I'm not running it as root. |
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| 02:47.33 | sith-R2D2 | kingsley_, what kind of sites are yhou visiting? |
| 02:47.36 | xaphod | personally i'm sick of firefox rendering things wrong, and then when you click on em they jump to where they should have bene |
| 02:47.41 | kingsley_ | greycat: I often use five tabs. |
| 02:47.55 | cat | hey i have a question if i want to put a hurd kernel image on a sarge system can i do it? |
| 02:47.57 | batmao | Does anybody know how to fix apt if it generates an error when installing a package during `apt-get install -f`? |
| 02:48.04 | greyson | kmitchell, Try 'ln -s /usr/src/linux-<version> linux' |
| 02:48.08 | MobyTurbo | kmitchell: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 02:48.11 | cat | batmao, apt-get -f install ? |
| 02:48.17 | kingsley_ | sith-R2D2: Quite a variety. Google is probably the most common one. |
| 02:48.30 | cheal | kmitchell: and what's your kernel version? |
| 02:48.31 | sith-R2D2 | kingsley_, any shady sites? |
| 02:48.32 | batmao | cat: same result |
| 02:48.40 | kmitchell | 2.4.26 |
| 02:48.40 | trave11er | kmitchell: and what's the version of kernel that you are running? |
| 02:48.44 | cat | batmao, pasted the error on flood |
| 02:48.53 | cheal | kmitchell: and why are you using that? |
| 02:48.54 | batmao | cat: #flood? will do |
| 02:48.55 | kmitchell | they only have the headers for 2.4.27 |
| 02:49.13 | kmitchell | thats just what came off the knoppix cd i installed from |
| 02:49.13 | kingsley_ | sith-R2D2: Not that I know of, but I haven't validated the html of any of them. |
| 02:49.16 | trave11er | yeah, 2.4.26 has been removed some time ago |
| 02:49.20 | cat | yeah |
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| 02:49.35 | kmitchell | so i have to upgrade my kernel to 2.4.27? |
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| 02:49.47 | Miaz | who still runs kernel 2.4? |
| 02:49.53 | trave11er | kmitchell: well, install the debian kernel (or even better, install debian) |
| 02:49.53 | Miaz | oh, right, stable production type people |
| 02:49.56 | cheal | kmitchell: wouldn't it be nice to run a secure kernel? |
| 02:50.06 | chalenged | Miaz: most servers id guess |
| 02:50.07 | cat | hey i have a question if i want to put a hurd kernel image on a sarge system can i do it? |
| 02:50.13 | cheal | trave11er: if it would additionally allow you to get NVIDIA's drivers working |
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| 02:50.23 | Anduril66 | Hello. I can't figure out how to completely remove and reinstall XFree86. (I selected the wrong graphics chipset during configuration). |
| 02:50.25 | kingsley_ | sith-R2D2: What version of mozilla-firefox are you using? |
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| 02:50.36 | chalenged | cat yeah you can...it may not work a expected |
| 02:50.37 | cheal | Miaz: or people who use the default kernel? |
| 02:50.42 | trave11er | cheal: interactions of knoppix stuff and debian's kernel images are hard to predict |
| 02:50.47 | cat | oh |
| 02:50.50 | afabian | I'm running 2.4. As it so happens, I don't need 2.6's features, and 2.6 looks a lot like a development branch. :x |
| 02:50.53 | cat | chalenged, how can i try it? |
| 02:51.05 | chalenged | !tell Anduril66 about drxx |
| 02:51.05 | batmao | cat: pasted it. any ideas? |
| 02:51.21 | greyson | chalenged: Found it -- it's in 'non-free' sources... duh. |
| 02:51.21 | cheal | trave11er: ooh...I didn't realize kmitchell used knoppix |
| 02:51.23 | kmitchell | it gives me the opiton to boot to 2.6.6 but they don't have headers for that either |
| 02:51.25 | concept10 | Anyone know to display users window in Xchat? |
| 02:51.27 | cat | batmao, yeah do it as root |
| 02:51.32 | chalenged | afabian: 2.6 is the current development area but its stable up to 2.6.11 |
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| 02:52.19 | cheal | trave11er: but anyway, since when are the l33test DDs helpers on #debian? |
| 02:52.38 | batmao | cat: it's apt-get is mapped to `sudo apt-get` via .bashrc, so it's the same. |
| 02:52.38 | trave11er | cheal: eh? |
| 02:52.39 | afabian | chalenged: I guess that's why it looks like a development branch. I thought they did that in the odd numbered ones. |
| 02:52.45 | MobyTurbo | cheal: tarzeau is a DD |
| 02:52.53 | Anduril66 | Thanks chalenged. That was very, very cool (the !tell scripts). |
| 02:53.00 | cheal | MobyTurbo: I mean, this guy is running a 2.6.12 sparc64 .deb |
| 02:53.02 | trave11er | cheal: i am not a dd |
| 02:53.02 | MobyTurbo | cheal: Overfiend is in the user list here as well, and he's the lead DD |
| 02:53.30 | chalenged | afabian only the first 2 bits ie 2.3 & 2.5 are developer only...2.6 = stable lines.... |
| 02:53.35 | cheal | trave11er: if you're not a DD, I'm confused about who you are |
| 02:54.01 | trave11er | cheal: i am a member of kernel team, but that does not automatically mean that i am a dd |
| 02:54.03 | chalenged | afabian: normally theres only 1 development kernel in 2.6 and its the highest one.....see kernel.org to see how they display it |
| 02:54.21 | mborohovski | can someone fill me in on what exactly luminocity is? ive tried googling it but havent been able to get much info on it. can i run it with my x.org setup or will it fuck something up? |
| 02:54.34 | cheal | trave11er: hum, I see... |
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| 02:54.58 | kingsley_ | Will someone whose firefox runs for more than a few days please paste the output of "dpkg -l mozilla-firefox fontconfig psmisc debianutils libatk1.0-0 libc6 libfontconfig1 libfreetype6 libgcc1 libglib2.0-0 libgtk2.0-0 libidl0 libjpeg62 libkrb53 libpango1.0-0 libpng12-0 libstdc++5 libx11-6 xlibs libxext6 libxft2 libxp6 libxt6 zlib1g" to #flood? |
| 02:55.09 | MobyTurbo | mborohovski: since xorg is not a part of Debian, your chances of doing something to foul things up is pretty high |
| 02:55.21 | chalenged | mborohovski: its a java IDE for eclipse isnt it? |
| 02:55.44 | chalenged | mborohovski:Based on the popular Eclipse IDE framework, Luminosity is a full-featured Java™-based IDE for all LynuxWorks™ cross-development platforms. Luminosity supports LynxOS® 4.x and BlueCat® Linux® 5.x. |
| 02:55.54 | mborohovski | Luminocity |
| 02:55.55 | mborohovski | notice the |
| 02:55.56 | mborohovski | c |
| 02:55.57 | Gnea | mborohovski: s/luminocity/luminosity/g |
| 02:56.15 | chalenged | mborohovski: ahh kk i thought it was to easy hehe |
| 02:56.16 | mborohovski | am i retarded? |
| 02:56.36 | mborohovski | MobyTurbo: i mean, im not worried about fucking something up, im just wondering what it would foul up and how bad it would foul it up |
| 02:56.55 | cheal | MobyTurbo: right... but Overfiend is just trying to be an op here :-P |
| 02:57.07 | Gnea | Luminocity,Owen's crack-tastic OpenGL based window/compositing manager. |
| 02:57.13 | kingsley_ | mborohovski: Nobody may know. |
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| 02:57.16 | Gnea | mborohovski: is that what you mean? |
| 02:57.24 | mborohovski | Gnea: yes |
| 02:57.26 | chalenged | mborohovski: ahh thats the open source copy of lookingglass? |
| 02:57.58 | Gnea | never used it |
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| 02:58.11 | TwistedLappy | Anyone know how to load a flash drive? I just plugged it into my usb port... |
| 02:58.14 | Gnea | it's probably primitive |
| 02:58.23 | liable | weee, new wireless g card, now I just have to work wpasupplicant out. :) |
| 02:58.29 | Gnea | TwistedLappy: what does dmesg have to say about it? |
| 02:58.31 | bob2 | TwistedLappy: install gnome on sarge and it'll be automoutned |
| 02:58.33 | mborohovski | Gnea: i want a pretty wm. haha. |
| 02:58.37 | Anduril66 | I forgot to say that I deleted my /etc/X11 directory in a futile attempt to remove XFree86 from my system, so Drxx won't work. I think I need to completely reinstall, but apt-get says I already have the newest version. |
| 02:58.46 | Gnea | mborohovski: http://www.get-e.org |
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| 02:59.12 | mborohovski | gahh, enlightenment. |
| 02:59.13 | mborohovski | lol |
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| 02:59.20 | Gnea | yes, E. |
| 02:59.26 | Gnea | infinately superior. |
| 02:59.30 | TwistedLappy | Gnea: I ran the command... I think it autoloaded it.. |
| 02:59.33 | mborohovski | why? |
| 02:59.41 | joshk | bob2: doesn't it hurt your brain to be in here for extended periods of time? |
| 02:59.41 | TwistedLappy | bob2: I run xfce |
| 02:59.54 | Gnea | mborohovski: have you ever used E before? |
| 03:00.01 | trave11er | joshk: :-) |
| 03:00.18 | chalenged | Anduril66: so remove it purge and reinstall? |
| 03:00.22 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 03:00.22 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 03:00.27 | mborohovski | Gnea: not since the olden days |
| 03:00.33 | mborohovski | those being about 3.5-4 years ago |
| 03:00.34 | mborohovski | lol |
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| 03:01.04 | Miaz | off to futz with Cedega |
| 03:01.06 | Miaz | w00t |
| 03:01.18 | bob2 | joshk: yes |
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| 03:01.31 | bob2 | joshk: I'm but a shadow of the man I was |
| 03:01.33 | jaymes | I'm excessively confused over the X11 business |
| 03:01.58 | l3m | whenever i'm watching a movie fluxbox blacks the screen after ten minutes or so of no keyboard/mouse activity. how do i turn this off? |
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| 03:02.14 | Gnea | mborohovski: i strongly suggest you give it another shot. E17 is nearing a milestone, finally |
| 03:02.19 | kingsley_ | Is there a utility which accepts a package name as its option and then downloads that package's latest changelog? |
| 03:02.19 | Ziner | boa noite pessoal |
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| 03:02.22 | MobyTurbo | l3m: fluxbox isn't blanking the screen, X is |
| 03:02.44 | jimi | hey is there an official debian package that contains libdvdcss? |
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| 03:02.51 | Anduril66 | I removed and purged x-window-system using Apt-get, then did an apt-get install. It unpacks and setsup x-window-system for me, and I have the same problem. |
| 03:02.54 | l3m | MobyTurbo: thanks. do you know where i can change this setting? |
| 03:03.10 | cheal | Anduril66: purging a metapackage won't help |
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| 03:03.25 | Gnea | mborohovski: i run it (updated cvs last night) and after reading http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots (luminocity) it sounds like it does the same thing, only we're talking about a graphic sub-system that's been in development for the past few years. |
| 03:03.41 | bob2 | kingsley_: "wget -O$package.changelog http://changeloes.debian.net/$package" |
| 03:03.53 | cheal | Anduril66: of course, you deleted the directory instead of moving it, right? |
| 03:03.54 | chalenged | nyone know any particular sites/pages about migrating from MSexchange to Linux Based? |
| 03:03.55 | MobyTurbo | l3m: not really, though I'm sure there is |
| 03:03.56 | mborohovski | Gnea: check pms |
| 03:04.02 | Anduril66 | cheal, Yes. |
| 03:04.06 | TwistedLappy | Gnea: I get... sda: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 03:04.07 | TwistedLappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.07 | TwistedLappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.07 | Gnea | mborohovski: what's that? |
| 03:04.16 | jimi | anyone? libdvdcss? |
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| 03:04.22 | TwistedLappy | How do I mount that drive? |
| 03:04.24 | mborohovski | pm's |
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| 03:04.39 | cheal | jimi: no |
| 03:05.05 | cheal | Anduril66: try purging something like xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:05.06 | jimi | cheal: so i have to go the unofficial route? |
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| 03:05.26 | l3m | how can i disable screen blanking after no kb/mouse activity in X? ( powersave? screensaver? ) |
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| 03:05.34 | cheal | jimi: I guess...if you want libdvdcss |
| 03:05.42 | kingsley_ | bob2: Thank you. |
| 03:05.53 | Overfiend | Anduril66: try reinstalling the packages you had installed, but telling dpkg to reinstall missing conffiles |
| 03:05.57 | Overfiend | i.e.: |
| 03:06.09 | jimi | cheal: is there another library for playing encrypted dvd's? |
| 03:06.17 | MobyTurbo | jimi: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
| 03:06.23 | Overfiend | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install xserver-xfree86 ... |
| 03:06.36 | TwistedLappy | l3m: all gui's are different but just try rightlicking on the desktop... settings... power or screensaver |
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| 03:06.41 | joshk | bob2: that's a damned shame |
| 03:06.53 | TwistedLappy | *rightclick |
| 03:06.55 | chalenged | 13m: xscreensaver first stop |
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| 03:07.07 | joshk | ^ this guy's still around? |
| 03:07.10 | joshk | (cat) |
| 03:07.11 | l3m | hmm ok xset seems to be the way to go,... reading the manual.... |
| 03:07.21 | bob2 | joshk: comes and goes it seems |
| 03:07.21 | Overfiend | Anduril66: manually nuking parts of /etc is a bad way to "remove all traces" of a package from your Debian system. Dpkg and apt-get have --purge options for this. |
| 03:07.25 | bob2 | joshk: you should sponsor him! |
| 03:07.31 | Overfiend | Anduril66: and aptitude supports "purge" as a command |
| 03:07.34 | MobyTurbo | jimi: that script will install the decryption library |
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| 03:07.40 | joshk | bob2: if he had a million bucks to burn... sure! |
| 03:07.46 | l3m | thanks guys. the solution is: "xset s off" to turn of screen blanking! |
| 03:07.50 | joshk | "services rendered" |
| 03:07.57 | jimi | MobyTurbo: hahah awesome man, worked like a charm |
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| 03:09.59 | newbie | can some1 pls tell me how to mount device so regular user could read it too? |
| 03:10.13 | Gnea | !pls |
| 03:10.13 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 03:10.19 | newbie | full access rwx |
| 03:10.39 | newbie | oh.. ok hehe |
| 03:10.43 | newbie | please :) |
| 03:10.56 | Gnea | man fstab |
| 03:10.59 | MobyTurbo | !tell newbie -about enter |
| 03:11.05 | chalenged | !rwvfat |
| 03:11.05 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 03:11.26 | chalenged | newbie: something similar to that in fstab |
| 03:11.37 | jbroome | wow, a helpful bot. I'm impressed |
| 03:11.57 | jimi | dpkg is wrong, why would u wanna try and write to NTFS? |
| 03:12.04 | MobyTurbo | !y |
| 03:12.04 | dpkg | [y] http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 03:12.06 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 03:12.07 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:12.08 | MobyTurbo | oops |
| 03:12.15 | Miaz | Cedega sucks |
| 03:12.16 | chalenged | jimi: you can it's just not safe |
| 03:12.16 | Miaz | wine sucks |
| 03:12.19 | Miaz | the whole worl' |
| 03:12.23 | Miaz | d's gone lowbrow :-p |
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| 03:12.32 | TwistedLappy | jimi: dumb question... so you can share a drive between windows & linx |
| 03:12.40 | MobyTurbo | !tell Miaz -about enter |
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| 03:12.56 | jimi | TwistedLappy: why would you want to *WRITE* to ntfs |
| 03:13.04 | nunez | I run mplayer to try and play a video file and it doesnt give me audio, yet xine and xmms works fine? |
| 03:13.08 | chalenged | TwistedLappy: the ntfs is normally ro tho....rw is not default and not safe |
| 03:13.23 | chalenged | nunez us -ao alsa |
| 03:13.28 | TwistedLappy | ohh... |
| 03:13.33 | TwistedLappy | to share files |
| 03:13.40 | nunez | chalenged: Tried that, didnt work |
| 03:13.48 | TwistedLappy | I know it's not smart but sometimes just more convinient |
| 03:13.53 | newbie | fstab is fine for regular mount |
| 03:13.56 | newbie | but I want one time mount |
| 03:14.09 | jimi | newbie, just use the mount command |
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| 03:14.33 | myren | how can i trace what libraries a program is loading? |
| 03:14.49 | jimi | newbie: put the line in fstab, make it noauto, then whenever you want to mount it use the mount command |
| 03:15.14 | sean_micken | myren: ldd. |
| 03:15.15 | chalenged | newbie: if its a once off why do you need it RW for a user? |
| 03:15.21 | l3m | nunez what about -ao oss or -ao sdl? |
| 03:15.48 | Anduril66 | I tried Overfiend's suggestions, but I still get an "Error creating symbolic link '/etc/X11/X' to '/usr/bin/X11/Xfree86' : No such file or directory". |
| 03:15.54 | chalenged | nunez is alsa setup or you using oss?? |
| 03:15.56 | l3m | nunez: and try "killall -9 arts" |
| 03:16.28 | newbie | chalenged: cause its NTFS partition (my media drive) |
| 03:16.30 | Draconicus | shingouz: Apparently there is a bug in the kernel that leads to USB problems, particularly with cameras. My friend says he made a patch and is compiling it. He might be pulling my leg, though... :\ |
| 03:16.37 | nunez | l3m: Nope |
| 03:16.39 | newbie | and I want to copy stuff via regular user |
| 03:16.44 | newbie | and not do chown/chmod later |
| 03:16.48 | nunez | chalenged: I'm using alsa with everything else |
| 03:17.01 | newbie | anyway how to set wrx axx to all users in fstab? |
| 03:17.02 | jimi | newbie: u gonna have to use fstab methinks |
| 03:17.08 | nunez | l3m: No processes killed |
| 03:17.09 | Anduril66 | I had done a "rm -R /usr/X11R6" and a "rm -R /etc/X11" previously. |
| 03:17.11 | newbie | ro is readonly |
| 03:17.15 | newbie | and rwx would be? |
| 03:17.25 | jimi | newbie: is it an NTFS drive? |
| 03:17.27 | myren | i botched my X server; its fuckin up even running X remotely... |
| 03:17.28 | newbie | yup |
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| 03:17.46 | myren | if i ssh in and run xlogo i get: xlogo: error while loading shared libraries: libXcompext.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:17.52 | jimi | newbie: you do not want rw access on a NTFS drive, only ro |
| 03:18.06 | newbie | why wouldnt I want rw? |
| 03:18.38 | Overfiend | Anduril66: that shouldn't have happened -- is xfree86-common installed? |
| 03:18.47 | trave11er | newbie: writing to ntfs is an experimental feature and can corrupt your filesystem |
| 03:19.01 | trave11er | newbie: it is marked as dangerous in the kernel config |
| 03:19.04 | nunez | I dont even see "mplayer" with apt-cache search |
| 03:19.08 | Anduril66 | Overfiend, I don't know. How do I find out. (me=newbie) |
| 03:19.11 | jimi | newbie: cause it doesnt work safely. I think about the only thing you can do is overwrite a file, but it has to be exactly the same size |
| 03:19.17 | Overfiend | Anduril66: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:19.29 | l3m | nunez if you try to change the volume in mplayer, does it change the amount of little bars on the osd? |
| 03:19.29 | Overfiend | Anduril66: or "dpkg -s xserver-xfree86" for more verbose, human-readable output |
| 03:19.41 | nunez | l3d: Nope |
| 03:19.42 | Overfiend | Anduril66: "Status: install ok installed" is what you want to see |
| 03:19.43 | chalenged | NEWBIE DONOT WRITE TO NTFS IT WILL KILL YOUR DRIVE |
| 03:20.05 | newbie | is it THAT experimental yet? |
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| 03:20.11 | newbie | thought its pretty stable |
| 03:20.13 | Overfiend | nunez: mplayer has had many. many license and code provenance issues over the years -- these have kept it out of the Debian archive altogether |
| 03:20.23 | Overfiend | s/many\./many,/ |
| 03:20.35 | jimi | newbie: reading is perfectly fine, writing is out of the question |
| 03:20.44 | newbie | ok did it with ro in fstab.. changes take affect immediatly? or what should I do? |
| 03:20.46 | chalenged | newbie: itll be stable when ms share the source.8( till the vfat |
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| 03:21.14 | jimi | newbie: perhaps consider creating a vfat drive and place your media files there if you need read access from both windows and linux |
| 03:21.18 | Overfiend | newbie: mount -o remount,ro $DEVICE $MOUNT_POINT |
| 03:21.26 | l3m | nunez: you probably have a process blocking the sound. is there still an instance of xine or another player running? |
| 03:21.26 | l3m | nunez: or do you use gstreamer? |
| 03:21.28 | l3m | nunez www.apt-get.org has some deb urls where you can download unofficial debian packages for mplayer ( thanks to marillat ) |
| 03:21.43 | newbie | jimi: its out of question, cause I have files over 4gb on that partition (dvds) |
| 03:22.08 | jimi | newbie: and what do you want to do with them? |
| 03:22.12 | Anduril66 | Overfiend, I see "Status:install ok half-configured". |
| 03:22.36 | newbie | bauer@Desktop:~$ mount -o remount /dev/hda5 /d |
| 03:22.36 | newbie | mount: only root can do that |
| 03:22.38 | chalenged | newbie: isos? |
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| 03:22.45 | newbie | ChanServ: yes |
| 03:23.06 | jimi | newbie: if you want to just view or copy thats fine in linux, if you want to delete or move then reboot to windows to do it |
| 03:23.07 | Overfiend | Anduril66: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 03:23.09 | nunez | l3m: I have gstreamer-properties in my PATH, but I dont know about it |
| 03:23.13 | Draconicus | ACK! I just found out that I'm on the wrong kernel type! I'm on an AMD Athlon XP processor, which is apparently a 686. I've been running a 386 kernel for months! |
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| 03:23.18 | Overfiend | Anduril66: that tells dpkg to configure everything that's pending configuration |
| 03:23.23 | newbie | ./dev/hda5 /media/d ntfs ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 03:23.28 | newbie | thats what I set in fstab |
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| 03:23.31 | newbie | and stuill cant mount |
| 03:23.33 | newbie | with regular |
| 03:23.36 | Draconicus | Somebody help me! |
| 03:23.50 | Overfiend | Draconicus: what you describe is not an emergency. |
| 03:23.55 | Draconicus | True. |
| 03:23.57 | nunez | l3m: Other programs shouldnt have it not work, my soundcard can play multiple sounds at the same time |
| 03:24.03 | chalenged | newbie: just extrac the isos.accross to another drive |
| 03:24.04 | Draconicus | However, I'd like to fix things. Please guide me. |
| 03:24.05 | Overfiend | Draconicus: simply install a kernel-image package (more) appropriate to your processor model. |
| 03:24.11 | Draconicus | Oh. |
| 03:24.12 | Draconicus | Thankyou. |
| 03:24.22 | Overfiend | Draconicus: "apt-cache search kernel-image" should help you find one. |
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| 03:24.27 | crazydeb8r | I'm looing for the name of a RTS game I found - it's Open source, cross platform, 3d, and reminds me of Empire Earth, but much nicer. It's still in development, I just can't remember it's name, and I tried googling it...any thoughts? |
| 03:24.28 | Miaz | yuck, 2.6.8 |
| 03:24.28 | myren | i've reinstalled most of my x-server, most xlibs, all that trash, but I still get xlogo: error while loading shared libraries: libXcompext.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory when i try running X programs, even if i run them remotely. i've removed all the related libraries. i cant figure out how its still trying to get loaded? |
| 03:24.30 | trave11er | Draconicus: like the one whose version ends in -k7 |
| 03:24.30 | Overfiend | Draconicus: just ignore the ones that don't look right. |
| 03:24.32 | Miaz | roll your own |
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| 03:24.45 | TwistedLappy | How do I find out what drives and where I have drives mounted? |
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| 03:24.56 | newbie | TwistedLappy: use mount |
| 03:25.01 | Anduril66 | Overfiend, the dpkg --configure --pending still gives me the [no usr/in/X11/XFree86] message/ |
| 03:25.05 | Overfiend | myren: are you running sarge or sid? |
| 03:25.10 | Anduril66 | *bin |
| 03:25.12 | myren | Overfiend: sarge |
| 03:25.16 | newbie | so can any1 tell me how to reload the fstab? |
| 03:25.18 | Overfiend | Anduril66: Hmm. try configuring just xfree86-common |
| 03:25.26 | Overfiend | Anduril66: dpkg --configure xfree86-common |
| 03:25.30 | Draconicus | trave11er: -k7? Don't you mean -686? |
| 03:25.30 | newbie | so I could mount now hda5 as regular user |
| 03:25.36 | MobyTurbo | !any1 |
| 03:25.36 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 03:25.41 | Overfiend | myren: what does "dpkg -S bin/xlogo" say? |
| 03:25.47 | trave11er | Draconicus: 686 is for Pentium processors |
| 03:25.53 | Overfiend | myren: it sounds like you're running a foreign xbase-clients package |
| 03:26.01 | myren | xbase-clients |
| 03:26.07 | Overfiend | 586 is Pentium. 686 is PentiumPro/PentiumII |
| 03:26.27 | Overfiend | myren: okay. what does "dpkg -s xbase-clients | grep Version:" say? |
| 03:26.30 | Draconicus | Well, what is an AMD Athlon XP |
| 03:26.31 | Draconicus | ? |
| 03:26.32 | l3m | nunez: hmm i had some problems with mplayer and multiple sources, that's why i asked, and i have a sb audigy. try to turn off everything else soundrelated ( just for testing ) |
| 03:26.32 | l3m | nunez: and i'd really advise you to use the marillat mplayer packages for debian, instead of using a self-compiled one ( since that may also be one of the problems, e.g. faulty config upon compile time, missing alsa headers... ) |
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| 03:26.49 | nunez | l3m: apt-get.org doesnt seem to say how to add them to my sources.list so I dont have to add 1 by 1 from the site |
| 03:26.52 | Anduril66 | Overfiend: xfree86-common is already installed and configured. |
| 03:26.52 | Overfiend | Draconicus: a "k8", I think...but those came out after I switched to PowerPC... |
| 03:26.52 | l3m | nunez the fact that you didn't get changing bars means that mplayer did deactivate the sound completely. also read all the console output of mplayer ... maybe you'll find something there |
| 03:26.56 | trave11er | Draconicus: amd athlon/duron/athlonxp is k7 |
| 03:27.01 | myren | 4.3.0-dsfg |
| 03:27.13 | trave11er | Draconicus: apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7, for example |
| 03:27.20 | Overfiend | myren: that's odd. xlogo should not be linked against "libXcompext" |
| 03:27.23 | trave11er | Draconicus: read the description |
| 03:27.34 | newbie | any1? pls answer me |
| 03:27.37 | ColonelKernel | you know I was worried about using a 2.6.8 kernel but the deb version is really nice |
| 03:27.40 | l3m | nunez: just edit sources.list and add the "deb ftp://someurl/ main" line you got from apt-get.org |
| 03:27.46 | nunez | l3m: I added --softvol -ao alsa:/dev/dspW --mixer /usr/bin/alsamixergui and I got volume bars |
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| 03:28.09 | Overfiend | myren: what does "objdump -p /usr/bin/X11/xlogo | grep 'NEEDED.*libXcompext'" say? |
| 03:28.26 | l3m | nunez: now try to increase the volume to max py pressing "0" ( zero ) |
| 03:28.36 | l3m | nunez: still not hearing anything? |
| 03:28.42 | chalenged | nunez remove :/dev/dsp the syntax would be HW1:0 btw |
| 03:28.45 | myren | Overfiend: nothing |
| 03:28.50 | NetDC | what iso should i install on a IBM xseries 346 server ? |
| 03:28.52 | Overfiend | myren: then xlogo itself is not the culprit. |
| 03:28.56 | TwistedLappy | Who was it here who told me to use XDF formt? |
| 03:28.59 | TwistedLappy | *format |
| 03:29.02 | Overfiend | myren: I suspect you have a foreign X library installed on your system |
| 03:29.04 | trave11er | newbie: just mount followed by the name of the directory |
| 03:29.18 | myren | Overfiend: yeah. i've been reinstalling library after library |
| 03:29.21 | nunez | l3m: I was already all the way up, no sound |
| 03:29.22 | Overfiend | myren: ugh |
| 03:29.33 | trave11er | newbie: if the name of the directory is present in fstab, all the options will get read from there |
| 03:29.36 | myren | Overfiend: can i obj dump those libraries from the xlogo obj dump? |
| 03:29.40 | nunez | chalenged: nope |
| 03:29.49 | ColonelKernel | I even get better performance out of debian than I did out of gentoo - and a netinstall to boot |
| 03:30.01 | l3m | nunez: hmm, try to install the debs from apt-get.org, other than that, i don't know...sorry |
| 03:30.06 | mborohovski | hey guys, i still have no idea why it wont resume from sleep |
| 03:30.11 | mborohovski | it just hangs on resume |
| 03:30.15 | mborohovski | video doesnt come back |
| 03:30.16 | mborohovski | it just hangs |
| 03:30.16 | Overfiend | myren: objdump -p /usr/bin/X11/xlogo | grep NEEDED | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -S |
| 03:30.34 | nunez | l3m: apt-geting right now ;) |
| 03:30.37 | Overfiend | myren: do that. That will tell you the names of all the packages containing the libraries xlogo links against |
| 03:30.53 | Overfiend | myren: reinstall all of those, except possibly libc6 |
| 03:31.10 | mborohovski | anyone have any ideas? |
| 03:31.11 | Overfiend | myren: if you want to automatically build that command line... |
| 03:31.14 | Draconicus | trave11er: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:8K-XFPqSmn8J:www.linuxcompatible.org/which_kernel_for_athlon_xp_1800_t32318.html+%22athlon+xp%22+%22i686%22&hl=en&client=firefox-a |
| 03:31.16 | myren | Overfiend: thanks a million. that objdump is mad handy |
| 03:31.30 | myren | Overfiend: dont sweat it, i'll trace around till i find the culprit |
| 03:31.38 | newbie | trave11er: followed by what name? |
| 03:31.41 | newbie | target or device? |
| 03:31.41 | Overfiend | myren: objdump -p /usr/bin/X11/xlogo | grep NEEDED | awk '{print $2}' | grep -v | xargs dpkg -S | cut -d: -f1 | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 03:31.44 | Overfiend | myren: ...might work |
| 03:31.54 | Overfiend | myren: I haven't tried the above, I just enjoy building long shell pipelines. |
| 03:32.06 | Overfiend | oops |
| 03:32.12 | Overfiend | myren: objdump -p /usr/bin/X11/xlogo | grep NEEDED | awk '{print $2}' | grep -v libc6 | xargs dpkg -S | cut -d: -f1 | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 03:32.12 | trave11er | Draconicus: dude. read the description of the package |
| 03:32.15 | Overfiend | there you go |
| 03:32.22 | trave11er | Draconicus: don't go looking in strange places. |
| 03:32.29 | Draconicus | I read it. |
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| 03:32.42 | Overfiend | myren: yeah, objdump is the ELF swiss army knife |
| 03:32.47 | trave11er | Draconicus: the information on this link is most probably wrong |
| 03:33.11 | newbie | aaaaaaarg! |
| 03:33.14 | mborohovski | why does nobody pay attention to me? *tear* :p |
| 03:33.17 | newbie | bitch |
| 03:33.28 | newbie | now it lets me mount as non-root |
| 03:33.34 | newbie | but |
| 03:33.36 | newbie | bauer@Desktop:~$ cd /media/d |
| 03:33.36 | newbie | bash: cd: /media/d: Permission denied |
| 03:33.38 | newbie | lol |
| 03:33.38 | trave11er | newbie: the mount point which you put in fstab |
| 03:33.40 | myren | Overfiend: nice bash mastery |
| 03:33.40 | newbie | :( |
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| 03:34.03 | nunez | l3m: I apt-get'ed it and it looks like it didnt overwrite my old mplayer |
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| 03:34.17 | Overfiend | myren: that's not Bash mastery, it's just pipeline building. :) |
| 03:34.24 | jetx | !Overfiend++ |
| 03:34.26 | myren | indeed |
| 03:34.28 | newbie | trave11er: why is that? I set it to allow access to user! |
| 03:34.31 | newbie | on fstab |
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| 03:34.35 | newbie | and mounted as user |
| 03:34.37 | newbie | not root! |
| 03:34.39 | newbie | :( |
| 03:34.39 | myren | !Overfiend++ |
| 03:34.50 | Overfiend | You're not a Bash master until you do IPC in a shell script |
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| 03:34.57 | Overfiend | (successfully :) ) |
| 03:34.57 | myren | is there actually a karma system here? |
| 03:35.04 | trave11er | Overfiend: ipc? |
| 03:35.08 | myren | yeah, ipc? |
| 03:35.09 | Overfiend | inter-process communication |
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| 03:35.21 | jetx | not sure if it ever got debugged/enabled, think so |
| 03:35.22 | rabies | hello debianites |
| 03:35.22 | Overfiend | real IPC, that is, not silly pipes. |
| 03:35.28 | jetx | but it's in dpkg |
| 03:35.28 | trave11er | Overfiend: is it in X postinst? ;-) |
| 03:35.34 | myren | yeah, whats non trivial IPC for the shell.... |
| 03:35.36 | chalenged | myren: hehe yeah dont screw up cos everyone bags you out....karma in practice hehe |
| 03:35.39 | rabies | how goes the debianism? |
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| 03:35.43 | newbie | trave11er: can u help me out pls? |
| 03:35.50 | Overfiend | myren: spawning multiple child processes and waiting on them :) |
| 03:35.59 | myren | chalenged: i'm just amazed someone was actually able to help me |
| 03:36.01 | trave11er | newbie: i don't know much about mounting with user read access |
| 03:36.07 | trave11er | newbie: have a look at man mount |
| 03:36.08 | Gnea | !tell newbie about ask |
| 03:36.09 | Overfiend | "multithreaded" shell scripts are t3h b0mb |
| 03:36.14 | jetx | chown the mountpoints: what fs |
| 03:36.29 | Gnea | newbie: did you read the fstab manpage? |
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| 03:36.45 | foka | Hello all! |
| 03:36.46 | chalenged | myren: you be surprised normally we fix things or sen you away to more specific channels....very rare no one has any input.. |
| 03:37.01 | foka | Does anyone know how to get Apache 2 in Debian to server files larger than 4GB? (e.g. Debian installation DVD) |
| 03:37.07 | nunez | Are there any other media players except mplayer that play .bin files? |
| 03:37.08 | foka | Thanks in advance! |
| 03:37.14 | jetx | newbie: what type file system |
| 03:37.15 | myren | i've gotten wraked by how hard it is to get multiple processes working together with shell scripts |
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| 03:37.24 | axiom242 | I know what RAR is but what is PAR? And does Linux have an extractor for these type of files? |
| 03:37.31 | mborohovski | hey guys, i still have no idea why it wont resume from sleep |
| 03:37.34 | mborohovski | it just hangs on resume |
| 03:37.37 | mborohovski | videod oesnt come back |
| 03:37.39 | mborohovski | it just hangs |
| 03:37.53 | tcsetattr | axiom242, apt-get install par2 |
| 03:37.58 | Gnea | sleep... |
| 03:38.00 | Gnea | zZzZ |
| 03:38.13 | mborohovski | i wish it would! |
| 03:38.14 | mborohovski | lol |
| 03:38.16 | mborohovski | or rather |
| 03:38.19 | chalenged | with aname like axiom i just feel like puching someone... |
| 03:38.22 | mborohovski | i wish it would wakeup when i told it to! |
| 03:38.23 | trave11er | mborohovski: it is most probably acpi fault. it is generally flaky. it is very unlikely that you will receive any advice here |
| 03:38.26 | axiom242 | tcsetattr, thank you :) |
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| 03:38.40 | mborohovski | trave11er: where could i recieve advice, if at all? |
| 03:39.08 | myren | chalenged: thanks much, very nice to have X working again |
| 03:39.14 | chalenged | i get 12 sales calls a week from axiom and none of them will leave me alone |
| 03:39.39 | trave11er | mborohovski: i don't know. it is a kernel issue. something like kernelnewbies.org? google for people with similar hardware? |
| 03:40.05 | myren | erm, thanks Overfiend |
| 03:40.17 | chalenged | mborohovski: acpi is very quirky...ubuntu kernels are much better for it if you want immediate support again ubuntu kernels arent debians so its break it own it stuff.. |
| 03:40.36 | axiom242 | tcsetattr, does par2 actually enable me to extract par files? Seems I can only create par archives... |
| 03:40.42 | nunez | whats the -t option for mount when I want to mount a .bin file? |
| 03:40.46 | trave11er | mborohovski: try to turn on acpi debugging and log it, then submit a meaningful bugreport somewhere? (lkml?) |
| 03:41.40 | trave11er | mborohovski: try more recent kernel? newer acpi revision (will probably require patching the kernel) |
| 03:41.46 | trave11er | mborohovski: enough ideas? ;-) |
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| 03:42.01 | tcsetattr | axiom242, use par2verify or par2repair |
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| 03:43.14 | axiom242 | tcsetattr, ahh - thanks |
| 03:44.08 | tcsetattr | par2 is used with a set of files; there is a "main" par2 which is the overall file list and checksum, and then there are extra files that you can use to reconstruct files that are missing from the set |
| 03:44.30 | chalenged | i was hoping that our new 2.6.11 may have been patched a bit but it seems to be pretty clean |
| 03:44.58 | tcsetattr | if you've got the whole set of data files, you don't need to do the par2 at all, but the main par2 file is small enough it doesn't hurt to get that too and run a par2verify, which will tell you if you need to get any of the other redundant files to fill in gaps |
| 03:45.34 | Overfiend | myren: that fixed it? |
| 03:45.35 | newbie | Gnea and jetx its ntfs partition |
| 03:45.42 | newbie | and yes I read the fstab info |
| 03:45.46 | Overfiend | myren: did you happen to notice from dpkg's output what library got hosed? |
| 03:45.53 | newbie | http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html |
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| 03:46.07 | newbie | I can mount as regular user |
| 03:46.13 | myren | Overfiend: i just went looking manually; it was libXext in libxext |
| 03:46.13 | newbie | but cant access the mounted dir |
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| 03:46.47 | Overfiend | myren: where did you get that modified libXext from, out of curiosity? |
| 03:47.16 | trave11er | newbie: you probably need to fiddle with the umask setting |
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| 03:47.23 | shivraj | how do u get the java runtime to work in mozilla ? |
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| 03:47.34 | shivraj | I am installing the jamvm package, should that fix it ? |
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| 03:48.12 | myren | Overfiend: I tried manually installing the devel snapshot of NoMachine NX. its the great great granchild of lbxproxy, DXCP; its a X server built to act as a X proxy. By runnin the server it eliminates like 70% of required round trips form the X protocol |
| 03:48.34 | myren | there's debian packages but the devel snapshot is way way ahead. its also the worst installer i've ever seen |
| 03:49.00 | Overfiend | myren: yes -- I've heard of NX |
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| 03:49.08 | joshk | hehe |
| 03:49.19 | Overfiend | myren: Hmmm. Clobbering libraries with new versions that have changed dependencies is bad. |
| 03:49.22 | newbie | trave11er: whats umast settings? |
| 03:49.26 | newbie | umask |
| 03:49.33 | Overfiend | myren: but, you *did* just say "worst installer I've ever seen"... |
| 03:49.41 | Overfiend | myren: That counts in my book :) |
| 03:49.45 | trave11er | newbie: read all about them (and much more!) in man mount |
| 03:49.49 | scarynetworkguy | Overfiend: So you are ever so slighty aware of things having to do with X? :) |
| 03:49.57 | Overfiend | scarynetworkguy: that's just a nasty rumor |
| 03:50.03 | scarynetworkguy | Overfiend: Hehe. |
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| 03:50.18 | Overfiend | Some people don't want to man mount -- they don't swing that way. |
| 03:50.24 | myren | haha |
| 03:50.27 | scarynetworkguy | HAHA. |
| 03:50.31 | shivraj | anyone? trying to get java runtime environment to work in mozilla |
| 03:50.32 | Azardix | alguien habla español |
| 03:50.34 | Overand | Overfiend: heh |
| 03:50.36 | shivraj | is there a package ??? |
| 03:50.42 | Overand | !es |
| 03:50.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:50.52 | Overfiend | Overand: hello, you nick-collider you |
| 03:50.57 | Overand | heh |
| 03:50.58 | Overand | it's ok |
| 03:51.00 | Overand | we're both awesome. |
| 03:51.01 | furrywolf | they'd probably complain about alias woman=man too, eh? :P |
| 03:51.03 | nunez | I'm trying to mount an iso with mount, yet it wont let me mount it with -t iso9660, says Unable to identify CD-ROM format. in logs |
| 03:51.09 | Overand | ergo the namespace has expanded to accept us. |
| 03:51.13 | Overand | Much like a sphincter. |
| 03:51.14 | mborohovski | trave11er: what more recent kernel? this is 2.6.11.12 |
| 03:51.19 | mborohovski | you mean 2.6.12 O_O |
| 03:51.19 | mborohovski | lol |
| 03:51.24 | Overfiend | 2.6.12 is out |
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| 03:51.38 | Overfiend | as of yesterday or so |
| 03:51.41 | omi | and why do you need to upgrade just because it was released? |
| 03:51.52 | trave11er | mborohovski: then you are out of luck i guess. |
| 03:52.00 | kreg | anyone know of those all Linksys routers at places like circuit city can assign DHCP by mac address? |
| 03:52.06 | trave11er | mborohovski: if your hw is pretty new, just wait a month or two |
| 03:52.18 | trave11er | mborohovski: acpi will eventually catch up |
| 03:52.54 | furrywolf | kreg: or just use static IPs? |
| 03:53.11 | kreg | could |
| 03:53.14 | kreg | just lazy |
| 03:53.21 | trave11er | acpi revision in 2.6.12 is dated 20050309 |
| 03:53.22 | kreg | used to doing it with linux |
| 03:53.37 | trave11er | so i don't really think that's going to be a significant improvement |
| 03:53.44 | newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.44 | newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.44 | newbie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:53.53 | mborohovski | trave11er: should i patch the 2.6.11 with the acpi patch from acpi.sourceforge.net? |
| 03:53.54 | newbie | they mean like 777 etc? |
| 03:53.57 | mborohovski | i thought it was included in the kernel |
| 03:54.07 | kreg | newbie, ya, like other commands etc |
| 03:54.31 | nunez | Are there any tools that will .bin->.avi ? |
| 03:54.54 | trave11er | mborohovski: if i would really-really want acpi to work, then i would try it, yes |
| 03:54.55 | chalenged | nunez: .bins are not normally avi... |
| 03:55.00 | bob80 | Hi everyone, I'm spoiled by apt but my apt is broken. I just went through all this dpkg download, dependencies package installation thing to install a new version of apt, but apt-get still segfaults every time I run it...(this has happened ever since I lost power while apt-getting something)...what can I try? |
| 03:55.02 | scarynetworkguy | nunez: mv. |
| 03:55.20 | nunez | chalenged: they were mpegs? |
| 03:55.23 | chalenged | nunez: is that like a dvd image or something as a bin file to be burnt? |
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| 03:55.30 | tcsetattr | nunez, ".bin" is not really descriptive. You need to understand that file formats and filenames are not necessarily realted. ".bin" is pretty much meaningless. You need to find out what the actual file format is. Use the "file" command. |
| 03:55.32 | nunez | chalenged: yeah |
| 03:55.39 | trave11er | newbie: someone mentioned a factoid to you, which detailed what you should put in your fstab file |
| 03:55.42 | trave11er | something like |
| 03:55.46 | trave11er | !rwvfat |
| 03:55.46 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 03:56.00 | nunez | tcsetattr: Its a VCD |
| 03:56.13 | chalenged | nunez: ok then its probably a ISO .. try changing the extention and mounting it? |
| 03:56.41 | nunez | chalenged: well, mount doesnt like it, I tried with -o loop -t iso9660 and it didnt work |
| 03:56.47 | tcsetattr | nunez, what does "file" say? |
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| 03:57.12 | chalenged | nunez: if it mounts then you can mencode/transcode it to something else but VCd is mpeg1 so you prolly wont bother recoding it |
| 03:57.43 | newbie | thanks.. gonna try it now |
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| 03:58.13 | newbie | hmm |
| 03:58.13 | nunez | chalenged: I got it working with vlc, looks like the audio was encoded on track 2 |
| 03:58.27 | newbie | where do I write uid exactly in fstab? after all columns? |
| 03:58.41 | chalenged | newbie : /dev/partition /mount/point ntfs defaults,umask=022 0 0" |
| 03:58.44 | jdhutchin1 | newbie, it's an option, goes in the option column |
| 03:59.02 | chalenged | spoonfeeding hehe |
| 03:59.10 | dbzdeath | hmmm i've been googling for a bit and i think i've come to the conclusion that to use high memory support you NEED to have smp compiled into your kernel am i correct? |
| 03:59.32 | trave11er | dbzdeath: hmmm, not really |
| 03:59.34 | chalenged | dbzdeath: nope just need the flag in kernel...4Gig plus you mean? |
| 03:59.50 | dbzdeath | chalenged: yeah |
| 03:59.55 | chalenged | azar: special spoon for you.... |
| 04:00.13 | newbie | finally! :) |
| 04:00.18 | Azar | :) yeah I know I am sometime exasperating some here |
| 04:00.19 | newbie | thanks for all teh help guys |
| 04:00.30 | newbie | but why are the defaults so bad? |
| 04:00.34 | chalenged | dbzdeath: yeah seperate to smp justa kernelflag |
| 04:00.45 | newbie | it makes no sense that user cant read mounts but can mount them :( |
| 04:00.49 | dbzdeath | chalenged: cheers |
| 04:00.49 | trave11er | newbie: defaults are secure |
| 04:01.07 | newbie | well if I specifically asked to allow users to mount |
| 04:01.07 | chalenged | dbzdeath: np |
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| 04:01.22 | newbie | doesn't it make sense that I also want the users to read it? lol |
| 04:01.27 | trave11er | newbie: the problem is that you are too lazy to read a manpage :-) |
| 04:01.31 | chalenged | i still dont understand what your goal is newbie.... |
| 04:01.35 | dbzdeath | chalenged: hmmm i have a box here that only detects 900 or so of ram and it has 2gb... why ? |
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| 04:02.00 | chalenged | dbzdeath: is that on the bios clock too? |
| 04:02.08 | dbzdeath | no it isn't |
| 04:02.17 | dbzdeath | chalenged: this on a 2.4 kernel |
| 04:02.46 | newbie | ok.. one other qeustion |
| 04:02.48 | chalenged | dbzdeath: doesnt sound to normal...tried another kernel ? |
| 04:02.59 | newbie | if I used shell to launch wine someprob.exe |
| 04:03.09 | newbie | how do I detach it (if thats the word) |
| 04:03.11 | dbzdeath | chalenged: tried a smp kernel which worked |
| 04:03.13 | chalenged | dbzdeath: i run 2gig on 2.6 kernels np i never tried on 2.4s |
| 04:03.15 | newbie | so the shell will be free again? |
| 04:03.33 | chalenged | newbie: screen is the proggy you want to use and learn about |
| 04:03.42 | newbie | man screen? |
| 04:03.54 | chalenged | newbie yeah if its not installed just apt-get it |
| 04:03.58 | Guerin | Azar: sorry, I'm running ubuntu. I can't answer debian questions right now - it's offtopic. |
| 04:04.00 | Joslyn | Is there a problem with Sid lately? |
| 04:04.06 | Guerin | Joslyn: hahahahah |
| 04:04.09 | Azar | :D |
| 04:04.16 | Guerin | Joslyn: is fire hot these days? |
| 04:04.32 | chalenged | Guerin: haha |
| 04:04.34 | newbie | hmm now that I use apt-get.. I got prob |
| 04:04.39 | newbie | it always asks for cdrom |
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| 04:04.52 | newbie | but sometimes I am too lazy and want it to skip and just download the package |
| 04:04.56 | chalenged | newbie edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment the cdrom line |
| 04:04.59 | newbie | how to make it skip to next source in list? |
| 04:05.15 | Teufel | Anyone in here have any experience using xampp? Is it good? |
| 04:05.18 | chalenged | once commented do apt-get update and itll be gone |
| 04:05.20 | newbie | I dont want to comment it out, I want it to skip the cdrom after first time I press enter and no cdrom |
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| 04:05.42 | chalenged | newbie: are you running sarge or etch? |
| 04:05.47 | newbie | Sarge |
| 04:05.49 | Guerin | newbie: pick one or the other. Don't be useless. |
| 04:05.51 | newbie | from 2 dvds |
| 04:06.28 | Joslyn | Guerin: I am running Sid and haven't noticed a serious problem. I want to know if there's something I should take caution of lately, for example not updating certain packages. |
| 04:06.38 | Guerin | Joslyn: sid breaks. Deal. |
| 04:06.42 | chalenged | newbie: so why do you have dvds if your not going to use them? |
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| 04:06.53 | Guerin | Joslyn: read the topic, read the BTS. |
| 04:06.57 | Guerin | !sid faq |
| 04:06.57 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 04:07.02 | Guerin | read that ^^^ |
| 04:07.12 | newbie | chalenged: I would put them in drive for huge packages |
| 04:07.16 | newbie | for small 100kb |
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| 04:07.25 | newbie | I prefer just to download them |
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| 04:08.03 | mborohovski | trave11er: no cigar |
| 04:08.21 | Draconicus | 'kay.. um.. I got fork bombed (don't laugh), and I completely forgot what I was doing. |
| 04:08.21 | chalenged | Joslyn: gnome was broken a bit a few days back....gcc4 files have turned up in sid even though its not in sid yet etc etc...its for the devs to break... |
| 04:08.25 | covux | if non-free no longer will be supported but parts of nvidia driver stuff are in non-free where it is released then? |
| 04:08.30 | mborohovski | trave11er: though it seems that now when it attempts to resume it resumes the hd (beforei dont think it did) |
| 04:08.36 | Draconicus | trave11er: Remind me of the apt-cache bit, please? |
| 04:08.53 | chalenged | newbie: sigh then no you cant you either have one or the other... |
| 04:08.54 | trave11er | Draconicus: apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ? |
| 04:08.55 | Guerin | covux: non-free was never officially supported |
| 04:09.03 | Guerin | covux: in that respect, nothing has changed |
| 04:09.08 | trave11er | mborohovski: what did you do? |
| 04:09.43 | Joslyn | chalenged: Thanks |
| 04:10.18 | newbie | :( |
| 04:10.37 | mborohovski | just patched the kernel and recompiled |
| 04:10.51 | covux | Guerin: k. but official non-free pools are down. so where does a debian-gamer get the nvidia stuff? |
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| 04:11.11 | chalenged | Joslyn: if your dist_upgradeing specifically look for libc type stuff...if you see it be scared... |
| 04:11.15 | sanxiyn | shivraj: Still there? |
| 04:11.19 | Guerin | covux: oh. dunno. Try other mirrors. |
| 04:11.30 | Guerin | chalenged: bullshit |
| 04:11.45 | nunez | how do I tell mplayer what audio track to play>? |
| 04:11.49 | Guerin | chalenged: typical libc upgrades aren't bad at all |
| 04:11.55 | Guerin | nunez: man player |
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| 04:12.00 | Guerin | mplayer, even |
| 04:12.12 | Teufel | When I open my resolution options I get this error: "The Xserver does not support the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available" I'm running GNOME... |
| 04:12.12 | nunez | Guerin: did that, couldnt find it |
| 04:12.13 | chalenged | Guerin: im not saying it will break stuff im just saying be scared of it and ask someone here |
| 04:12.18 | sanxiyn | !tell shivraj about mozilla java |
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| 04:12.24 | newbie | chalenged: I read a bit about man screen |
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| 04:12.32 | Guerin | chalenged: bah. |
| 04:12.44 | newbie | it will probably take some tweaking etc, but still if I understood right |
| 04:12.45 | Guerin | nunez: you didn't look hard enough. |
| 04:13.03 | newbie | it will be good only for things I launch from it |
| 04:13.10 | mborohovski | trave11er: any more ideas? how long do you think itll take before acpi supports my hardware? |
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| 04:13.17 | newbie | but if I already run something from shell, how do I detach it? |
| 04:13.20 | trave11er | mborohovski: i don't know. |
| 04:13.23 | newbie | so it runs independent |
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| 04:13.26 | newbie | I know its possib;e |
| 04:13.28 | nunez | Guerin: Good job, Captian Obvious |
| 04:13.30 | trave11er | mborohovski: if acpi people have a mailing list |
| 04:13.35 | trave11er | mborohovski: try asking there |
| 04:13.38 | sanxiyn | newbie: Ctrl-Z. |
| 04:13.38 | mborohovski | it seems like EVERYTHING comes back except video |
| 04:14.11 | Guerin | nunez: well, hoestly. What do you want me to do, look it up myself? It's in TFM. |
| 04:14.19 | spdf | newbie, try screen |
| 04:14.20 | Teufel | When I open my resolution options I get this error: "The Xserver does not support the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available" I'm running GNOME... what should I do? |
| 04:14.29 | newbie | hmm sanxiyn it stopped the window |
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| 04:14.43 | chalenged | newbie: correct...most people run apps from commandline via screen...that way they can reaattach to it etc |
| 04:14.43 | spdf | newbie, the command 'fg' will bring it back.. |
| 04:14.47 | newbie | I just wanted to free the terminal and leave the program running |
| 04:14.57 | MobyTurbo | newbie: control z then type "bg" to run it in the background (if you want this to happen from the start type & at the end) |
| 04:15.26 | MobyTurbo | newbie: or apt-get install screen and have much better job control |
| 04:15.39 | sanxiyn | newbie: Ah, bg after that, yes. |
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| 04:15.59 | Joslyn | If I want to allow a certain group of users to reboot/shutdown the system, what group should I assign the users to? |
| 04:16.08 | chalenged | newbie: without screen you dont i dont beleive |
| 04:16.14 | sanxiyn | newbie: If you don't want to learn screen (but you should), use nohup. |
| 04:16.31 | Faithful | Hey guys, what sort of mangled madness is this? I have apache 1.3 runing on woody and I go install libapahce-mod-php4 and among the plethora of extra packages it wants to install is apache2 kerne-headers squirrelmail ... what is going on? |
| 04:16.32 | spdf | Anyone catch family guy tonight? Was it decent? |
| 04:17.04 | newbie | let me explain myself better |
| 04:17.12 | Xenguy | newbie: what sanxiyn said |
| 04:17.13 | MobyTurbo | spdf: who needs TV when you've got #debian? |
| 04:17.16 | newbie | I use shell to get something working |
| 04:17.23 | Teufel | Where can I find my cpu's information with linux? Like what type of processor and stuff?\ |
| 04:17.23 | findme | MobyTurbo, :-) |
| 04:17.25 | newbie | but once ti works |
| 04:17.27 | spdf | MobyTurbo, Haha, Well, this place can get a bit frustrating some times :) |
| 04:17.32 | chalenged | newbie: then your on your own 8) |
| 04:17.41 | Faithful | Teufel: cat /proc/cpu |
| 04:17.42 | newbie | I dont want to quit and run screen just to free the shell |
| 04:17.45 | findme | get a haupage card and enjoy both :-) |
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| 04:17.53 | sanxiyn | newbie: Yes. Do Ctrl-Z, and then bg it. |
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| 04:18.02 | sanxiyn | newbie: You can wait for it too. |
| 04:18.09 | buu | Hrm. I'm concerned I might have some faulty hard ware in my system. Is there any utility I can run that would test a large portion of my hardware? |
| 04:18.10 | Xenguy | newbie: dude, it's screen or nohup (if you plan to logout) |
| 04:18.12 | sanxiyn | (help wait) |
| 04:18.15 | Teufel | faithful: says no such file or directory =/ |
| 04:18.27 | Guerin | buu: what hardware in particular? |
| 04:18.32 | buu | Guerin: No idea. |
| 04:18.36 | newbie | nohup id package? |
| 04:18.40 | Faithful | Teufel: no procfs then |
| 04:18.46 | sanxiyn | newbie: It's part of coreutils, so you have it. |
| 04:18.49 | sanxiyn | newbie: man nohup. |
| 04:18.55 | buu | Guerin: I just keep getting semi-random hardlocks and I'd like to try to track down the specific problems. |
| 04:18.58 | findme | nohup abc.sh & |
| 04:19.27 | findme | nohup abc.sh > /tmp/abc.out 2>&1 & |
| 04:19.34 | Guerin | buu: ok. PSU = multimeter. ram = memtest86. hdd = badblocks. cpu = cpuburn or multiple concurrent kernel compiles. anything else = mobo. |
| 04:19.40 | Faithful | Teufel: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:19.42 | buu | Guerin: I have no real reason to believe any particular piece is faulty, it all seemed to work fine under linux. |
| 04:19.46 | buu | s/linux/windows/ |
| 04:19.52 | sanxiyn | MobyTurbo: Great piece of code, indeed. |
| 04:20.05 | Guerin | buu: linux works most hardware a lot harder than windows. |
| 04:20.11 | newbie | nohup isn't good.. I do want to be able to hang it |
| 04:20.12 | Teufel | faithful: just found that thanks faith, cpuinfo hehe |
| 04:20.13 | MobyTurbo | sanxiyn: and very small for what it does |
| 04:20.14 | buu | Guerin: I suppose. But I'd like to rule it out. |
| 04:20.42 | Xenguy | plonk |
| 04:20.52 | Guerin | buu: hard lockups don't sound like ram, psu or hdd to me. |
| 04:20.54 | Teufel | what command do I use to stop an application... say apache? |
| 04:21.03 | Xenguy | Teufel: apachectl stop |
| 04:21.04 | buu | Guerin: Well, I can't think of any way to figure out what's causing them |
| 04:21.22 | spdf | buu, You're not doing anything particularly cpu intensive when it does it? |
| 04:21.26 | Teufel | xenguy: thanks |
| 04:21.29 | MobyTurbo | Teufel: /etc/init.d/nameofdaemon stop |
| 04:21.30 | Guerin | buu: that leaves mobo and cpu as your most likely culprits, though anything kernelspace could concievably cause them. |
| 04:21.32 | Xenguy | Teufel: yw |
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| 04:21.57 | buu | spdf: I've had fairly consistent hard locks while playing enemy territory and I've just gotten a couple while using mplayer. |
| 04:22.05 | Guerin | buu: video. |
| 04:22.10 | buu | Yeah |
| 04:22.11 | Guerin | buu: nvidia drivers? |
| 04:22.13 | buu | Yep. |
| 04:22.16 | Teufel | How do I edit what programs I want to start up on boot? |
| 04:22.19 | sanxiyn | Why o why RPM's mime type is detected as audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin? |
| 04:22.21 | buu | The binary ones. |
| 04:22.26 | Guerin | i think there are a bunch of known bugs around those |
| 04:22.31 | buu | =[ |
| 04:22.35 | buu | Any ones that aren't buggy? |
| 04:22.36 | Xenguy | Teufel: see if you can find 'rcconf' |
| 04:22.51 | Guerin | buu: nv is very stable. |
| 04:22.59 | buu | Guerin: Any idea what the performance difference is? |
| 04:23.02 | MobyTurbo | buu: there are no hardware accel. versions |
| 04:23.14 | MobyTurbo | s/no/no other/ |
| 04:23.25 | Guerin | buu: mplayer: not much. ET: astronomical. |
| 04:23.36 | buu | Guerin: heh. Well, most of the point is to play ET |
| 04:23.38 | mborohovski | trave11er: sent out an email |
| 04:23.43 | sanxiyn | buu: I am using nv driver now. Not very noticable for what I do. |
| 04:23.53 | buu | sanxiyn: And what you do is..? |
| 04:24.02 | sanxiyn | buu: IRC? :-) |
| 04:24.05 | mborohovski | trave11er: is acpi-dev generally good with coming up with fixes for new hardware? |
| 04:24.06 | chalenged | mborohovski: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=310865 look familiar? its patched in 2.6.12 if it is |
| 04:24.38 | Guerin | if I want to play games I'll go to a pc bang and pay $1/hour |
| 04:24.38 | MobyTurbo | sanxiyn: heh |
| 04:24.38 | trave11er | mborohovski: i have no idea, i didn't have to deal with acpi for a couple of years now |
| 04:24.38 | buu | sanxiyn: heh. |
| 04:24.52 | buu | Guerin: Yes well, that would cost more, involve leaving the house, etc. |
| 04:24.54 | Faithful | Hey guys, what's happening with apt-get??? |
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| 04:25.02 | buu | Faithful: It's become sentient! |
| 04:25.02 | sanxiyn | Faithful: ? |
| 04:25.08 | Faithful | I have apache 1.3 runing on woody and I go install libapahce-mod-php4 and among the plethora of extra packages it wants to install is apache2 kerne-headers squirrelmail ... what is going on? |
| 04:25.15 | Guerin | buu: $1 hour, c'mon. |
| 04:25.16 | mborohovski | chalenged: no? |
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| 04:25.23 | Faithful | I don't want apache2 installed |
| 04:25.24 | spdf | Faithful, That is quite the pickle... |
| 04:25.31 | buu | Guerin: Couple of hundred hours.. |
| 04:25.36 | buu | Faithful: Stop trying to install php then! |
| 04:25.42 | sanxiyn | buu: Haha. |
| 04:25.48 | Faithful | say what... |
| 04:25.49 | buu | It's trying to tell you something. |
| 04:25.52 | chalenged | mborohovski kk well thats the only acpi/apm changes i think i saw in the changelog 8( |
| 04:25.53 | spdf | Faithful, apt-get install libapache-mod-php4? or with Dselect/Aptitude? |
| 04:25.53 | Faithful | it's crazy |
| 04:26.05 | sanxiyn | Faithful: If it wants to install apache2-utils, that's normal. |
| 04:26.10 | mborohovski | chalenged: but apm != acpi, and that bug is about apm, no? |
| 04:26.14 | Xenguy | OK it the app within a browser stuff you want |
| 04:26.16 | sanxiyn | Faithful: apache-utils and apache2-utils merged. They do the same. |
| 04:26.16 | Xenguy | ww |
| 04:26.19 | trave11er | Faithful: is it on sarge? |
| 04:26.40 | Faithful | trave11er: woody |
| 04:26.41 | Azar | I guess Faithful's sources say "stable"... :) |
| 04:26.44 | spdf | Faithful, Of course, this begs the question, why are you still using woody? |
| 04:26.57 | Guerin | he has s.d.o = stable |
| 04:26.59 | Faithful | my sources do say "stable" |
| 04:27.03 | spdf | Azar, lol, I think you might be right.. |
| 04:27.03 | chalenged | mborohovski: actually read deeper about 3rd report says it fixed all his resume problems... |
| 04:27.07 | sanxiyn | Faithful: Which is, Sarge now. |
| 04:27.07 | trave11er | Faithful: are you sure your sources.list still points to woody? |
| 04:27.12 | Guerin | Faithful: dist-upgrade to sarge |
| 04:27.13 | spdf | Faithful, Its pulling Sarge packages... |
| 04:27.24 | trave11er | Faithful: like it actually says 'woody' and not 'stable'? |
| 04:27.30 | trave11er | because stable has changed |
| 04:27.32 | Azar | Faitful, "stable" now is Sarge, and you running Woody apt-get tries to install/update for Sarge |
| 04:27.36 | Faithful | trave11er: no it says stable |
| 04:27.37 | chalenged | mborohovski: it may be unrelated but apm/acpi are both in the suspen/resume things.... |
| 04:27.37 | newbie | I ahve some wiered problem with KDE |
| 04:27.45 | trave11er | Faithful: change it to woody then |
| 04:27.47 | MobyTurbo | Faithful: sarge = stable now |
| 04:27.52 | Faithful | Oh |
| 04:27.53 | newbie | the windows arent acting normally |
| 04:27.54 | newbie | I mean |
| 04:27.55 | trave11er | or oldstable |
| 04:28.04 | Faithful | when did this happen??? |
| 04:28.13 | trave11er | Faithful: june 6th |
| 04:28.17 | newbie | like if I maximize them, and by mistake drag the border - it resizes them |
| 04:28.18 | Faithful | I have been running sarge so long... |
| 04:28.26 | Azar | Faithful, if you want to stay in Woody change your /etc/apt/sources.list urls to show "woody" instead of "stable" |
| 04:28.27 | Faithful | this is an old box |
| 04:28.28 | newbie | how to make it not resize borders of maximized windows? |
| 04:28.43 | Faithful | Thanks guys.... |
| 04:28.48 | mborohovski | chalenged: it is unrelated, but thanks |
| 04:28.51 | sanxiyn | Faithful: Sarge is not much more bloated, so that must be fine. |
| 04:28.56 | mborohovski | bleh |
| 04:28.56 | chalenged | newbie: configure the theme etc.. |
| 04:29.03 | mborohovski | i guess ill wait on an email from the dev |
| 04:29.07 | mborohovski | heh |
| 04:29.08 | Teufel | Anyone know of the name of the 'ftp daemon' in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 04:29.11 | chalenged | mborohovski np |
| 04:29.25 | sanxiyn | Teufel: There are many... I use vsftpd. |
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| 04:29.41 | chalenged | Teufel: wu-ftpd ?? or is it in the ined superserver for you or is it something else? |
| 04:29.43 | Faithful | sanxiyn: Yes but it tries to installed a gumbled pile of dependancies |
| 04:30.06 | Teufel | I don't see either |
| 04:30.08 | spdf | Faithful, Change it to woody, apt-get update, and then try again.. |
| 04:30.12 | sanxiyn | Faithful: Good luck. |
| 04:30.18 | deadcat_ | Teufel: if its running. ps -ef and look for it. |
| 04:30.22 | Xenguy | Teufel: if you want an ftpd, use vsftpd IMHO |
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| 04:31.10 | buu | I return under nv. |
| 04:31.29 | Teufel | xenguy deadcat_ I'm trying to get xampp going, it says there is already a ftp daemon in use, but I can't find it =/ |
| 04:31.31 | chalenged | !tell bu about nvidia howto |
| 04:31.37 | chalenged | !tell buu about nvidia howto |
| 04:32.01 | chalenged | buu: method 2 normally |
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| 04:32.41 | spdf | Teufel, Check /etc/inetd.conf |
| 04:32.48 | Teufel | would xfs be one? |
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| 04:33.23 | Xenguy | Teufel: dpkg -l *ftp* |grep ^ii |
| 04:33.54 | shivraj | sanxiyn : did u say something to me ? |
| 04:33.56 | spdf | Teufel, netstat -a | less .. look for :ftp or :21 |
| 04:34.07 | sanxiyn | shivraj: Yes, about mozilla java. |
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| 04:34.20 | shivraj | what was it? |
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| 04:34.26 | mborohovski | hmm, now that i think about it, not that much left. e17, sleep, dvd-writing (maybe works, just have to test it), audio, bluetooth (maybe works, just have to test), and some sony proprietary stuff |
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| 04:34.28 | sanxiyn | !tell shivraj about mozilla java |
| 04:34.39 | buu | chalenged: That's lovely, but how does it help me? |
| 04:34.44 | sanxiyn | shivraj: Create symlink as described. |
| 04:34.49 | mborohovski | itd be SO much easier if i werent on FREAKIN 56gay |
| 04:34.49 | mborohovski | lol |
| 04:34.57 | spdf | 56gay.. lol |
| 04:34.58 | shivraj | ok i see |
| 04:35.00 | mborohovski | s/lol/heh/g |
| 04:35.02 | mborohovski | sorry |
| 04:35.04 | sanxiyn | shivraj: You need Sun Java to get Java browser plugin working, for now. |
| 04:35.06 | sith-R2D2 | question - when i go to lock screen in debian it takes me to xscreensaver, however i find i can circumvent password lockout simply by hitting ctrl-alt-f2, f3, f4, f5, etc to drop to a terminal. so how do i prevent this? |
| 04:35.06 | newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.06 | newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.06 | newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.08 | Teufel | ah found it guys, thanks it's /usr/sbin/tcpd |
| 04:35.13 | newbie | sorry |
| 04:35.23 | newbie | my debian is still not 100% |
| 04:35.37 | newbie | seems when I double click my mouse here |
| 04:35.39 | newbie | it pastes :( |
| 04:35.41 | newbie | duno why |
| 04:35.42 | spdf | sith-R2D2, Don't leave oen of the vt's logged in.. |
| 04:35.44 | trave11er | sith-R2D2: do not run other virtual consoles? |
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| 04:35.55 | spdf | sith-R2D2, Then its not really a problem.. |
| 04:36.11 | sith-R2D2 | can i just disable dropping to console from xscreensaver? is there an option to do thatA? |
| 04:36.14 | buu | spdf: Yes, but how do you start X with out having a vt logged in? |
| 04:36.32 | spdf | buu, using xdm/gdm/kdm... |
| 04:36.41 | newbie | any1 got experience with Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer USB mouse? |
| 04:37.06 | buu | spdf: Ick. |
| 04:37.12 | spdf | buu, ick? |
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| 04:39.21 | buu | Does "installing nvidia the debian way" get me different drivers or anything? |
| 04:39.41 | spdf | buu, same drivers, its just installed properly.. |
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| 04:39.54 | sanxiyn | buu: It's a convinience thing. |
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| 04:40.01 | buu | That's what I thought |
| 04:40.05 | buu | So why did chalenged spam me with it? |
| 04:40.21 | sanxiyn | buu: Well, I think he /msg'd you to help you. |
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| 04:40.29 | sanxiyn | buu: If you think it's a spam... |
| 04:40.37 | buu | Yes, but how does it help me? |
| 04:40.53 | spdf | Ignore it if it doesn't... |
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| 04:41.27 | newbie | how do I update the kernel with apt-get? |
| 04:41.56 | buu | newbie: By telling it to install a kernel! |
| 04:42.25 | newbie | apt-get isntall kernel? |
| 04:42.28 | sanxiyn | newbie: By installing new kernel, reboot, and removing old kernel. |
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| 04:43.05 | newbie | sanxiyn: that sounds simple.. but what cmd? |
| 04:43.16 | newbie | Desktop:~# apt-get install kernel |
| 04:43.16 | newbie | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 04:43.16 | newbie | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 04:43.16 | newbie | E: Couldn't find package kernel |
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| 04:43.34 | spdf | newbie, stop pasting... |
| 04:43.38 | newbie | sorry |
| 04:43.47 | spdf | newbie, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 04:44.04 | spdf | newbie, and then 'apt-get install <COPY AND PASTE THE KERNEL HERE>' |
| 04:44.04 | trave11er | newbie: kernel packages are called kernel-image-<version>-<type> |
| 04:44.14 | Draconicus | !scripts |
| 04:44.22 | Draconicus | Just wondering if that did something. |
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| 04:44.44 | newbie | hmm newest kernel in my cache is 2.6.8-11 |
| 04:44.47 | newbie | whats the latest? |
| 04:44.49 | liable | Draconicus: you can message the bot. |
| 04:44.52 | sanxiyn | !kernel |
| 04:44.55 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.12, snapshot: 2.6.12-git1, 2.4: 2.4.31, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc6-mm1 |
| 04:45.09 | Draconicus | I meant as one of the rants on what not to do, liable. |
| 04:45.10 | trave11er | newbie: there is no such kernel in debian |
| 04:45.27 | spdf | !away scripts |
| 04:45.27 | dpkg | Nobody cares if you're away. Stop using that damn away script, it's annoying. It'll be really exciting in channel when 500 people declare they are all away </sarcasm> |
| 04:45.43 | ColonelKernel | 2.6.12-rc6-mm1 is nice but I get really good results from the stable debian kernel |
| 04:45.46 | trave11er | newbie: if you are running sarge, latest kernels are 2.6.8-2 or 2.4.27-2 |
| 04:46.01 | spdf | I think that sthe only anti-scripts.. |
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| 04:46.28 | liable | !listkeys scripts |
| 04:46.29 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'scripts' by key (5): firewall scripts ;; pkg scripts ;; bash login scripts ;; cgi-scripts ;; away scripts. |
| 04:46.34 | newbie | hmm but dpkg just said its 2.6.12 |
| 04:46.49 | sanxiyn | newbie: That's from kernel.org, not from Debian package. |
| 04:46.53 | newbie | and yeah I was wrong.. its 2.6.8-2 what I got atm |
| 04:47.01 | newbie | ok.. thanks :) |
| 04:47.11 | sanxiyn | newbie: That's the newest if you're on stable. |
| 04:47.12 | trave11er | 2.6.12 is not in the archive either :-) |
| 04:47.20 | sanxiyn | For testing, there's also 2.6.11-1 |
| 04:47.21 | liable | newbie: do you actually need a newer kernel? |
| 04:47.53 | mousex | hi |
| 04:48.18 | newbie | liable: no, just wanted to be sure I got latest kernel before I recompile it with suspend support |
| 04:48.32 | newbie | according to Make sure you have the kernel sources, headers and initrd-tools installed: |
| 04:48.40 | newbie | danb |
| 04:48.47 | mousex | how do get back the "trash" icon on KDE if --and I did-- deleted the .desktop file inside the trash folder? Now the trash has a folder icon, instead of a trash can. |
| 04:48.57 | newbie | damn.. fucking copy/paste manager |
| 04:49.08 | trave11er | newbie: the stock kernel should have acpi support |
| 04:49.09 | mousex | ha |
| 04:49.17 | newbie | according to http://ryandaigle.com/pebble/2005/01/17/1105995441172.html |
| 04:49.24 | trave11er | newbie: you most probably don't need to recompile anything |
| 04:49.35 | mborohovski | newbie: $ echo -n "mem" > /sys/power/state |
| 04:49.37 | newbie | ok.. why then hibernate doesn't work? |
| 04:49.43 | liable | mousex: cant you just right click it, and change the picture? |
| 04:49.45 | mborohovski | that should suspend-to-ram |
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| 04:49.51 | spdf | newbie, because you touch yourself at night.. |
| 04:49.53 | mborohovski | if acpi is proper |
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| 04:50.03 | mousex | liable: no, because it's a folder and not a symllink |
| 04:50.32 | newbie | mborohovski: I need hibernate |
| 04:50.36 | newbie | suspend isn't good for me |
| 04:51.04 | mousex | liable: actually, all other folders let me change the icon, except this one . . . |
| 04:51.13 | Xenguy | mousex: a directory actually ;-) |
| 04:51.20 | sanxiyn | newbie: Good luck! |
| 04:51.31 | mousex | Xenguy: whatever :) |
| 04:51.32 | sith-R2D2 | question - what exactly is apt-get install doing? is it downloading the package, make install, etc? |
| 04:51.34 | newbie | I pasted the error from hibernate in #flood |
| 04:51.38 | Xenguy | mousex: :P |
| 04:51.43 | trave11er | newbie: ok, i don't know anything about this site. good luck =) |
| 04:51.47 | mousex | could it be a permissions issue? |
| 04:52.10 | furrywolf | sith-R2D2: it fetches a precompiled binary package and installs it, running any required pre or post installation setup scripts. |
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| 04:52.13 | funky | hi |
| 04:52.21 | sanxiyn | furrywolf: While resolving dependencies. |
| 04:52.48 | newbie | so has any1 been through enabling hiberantion in debian 3.1? |
| 04:52.59 | furrywolf | newbie: any1 isn't a word. |
| 04:53.03 | spdf | !any |
| 04:53.03 | Guerin | !any1 |
| 04:53.03 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 04:53.08 | furrywolf | sanxiyn: yep. which is why it's good. :) |
| 04:53.09 | newbie | lol |
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| 04:53.16 | newbie | anyone :) |
| 04:53.22 | Guerin | 'drooling moron' is two words, though |
| 04:53.23 | sanxiyn | newbie: I think many people do. |
| 04:53.37 | Miaz | w3wt for n00bsp34k! |
| 04:53.43 | Miaz | i kid, i kid |
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| 04:53.51 | newbie | furrywolf: next thing is u say lol isn't word :P |
| 04:53.56 | spdf | !lol |
| 04:53.57 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 04:54.08 | sith-R2D2 | furrywolf, i am doing myself a disservice by using apt-get? aren't i depriving myself of manually installing stuff? |
| 04:54.20 | spdf | newbie, it isn't a word. Its an acronym. |
| 04:54.26 | mousex | I wonder if removing the Trash directory will force KDE to re-create it . . . |
| 04:54.37 | newbie | spdf: same for any1, some1 etc :) |
| 04:54.48 | spdf | newbie, No, they aren't acronyms.. |
| 04:54.59 | spdf | newbie, They're abbreviations, and annoying.. :) |
| 04:55.02 | Teufel | I had apache installed but just installed a whole package with apache, php, and mysql. How can I delete my old apache and make my other one start when the computer does? |
| 04:55.10 | funky | arg, why there are some packages in repositories, but aptitude says that isnt a candidate package ? |
| 04:55.24 | furrywolf | sith-R2D2: you're also depriving yourself of jabbing yourself in the eye with a sharp stick, but you aren't likely to complain about that... :P |
| 04:55.29 | newbie | spdf: well if they save both time and make msg shorteer, why not? :) |
| 04:55.32 | Rucas | so i tried gentoo the other day, with a default install, windowmaker compiles and then segfaults. Debian Unstable is ten times more stable than gentoo stable is |
| 04:55.32 | Xenguy | plonk (again) |
| 04:55.44 | Miaz | Rucas: gentoo is for ricers |
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| 04:55.55 | nudenurd | guys, I realise that this isn't #cisco but can someone help me with a reasonably simple Cisco problem? I'm trying to mirror a config from one device to another, identical models. |
| 04:55.56 | Rucas | i know that |
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| 04:56.05 | sanxiyn | kernel-image-2.6.7-i386 (2.6.7-1) unstable; urgency=low * Disable software suspend. |
| 04:56.09 | sanxiyn | (From Debian kernel change log) |
| 04:56.09 | Miaz | Rucas: you were bored enough to try it? |
| 04:56.09 | NetDC | did anybody install sarge in IBM xseries 346 with hard raid? |
| 04:56.14 | sanxiyn | software suspend = suspend to disk = hibernate. |
| 04:56.15 | the_shamansito | alguien de aca que sepa instalar php-nuke que me pueda dar una mano porfavor |
| 04:56.22 | sanxiyn | So plain Debian kernel doesn't support it. |
| 04:56.36 | spdf | !es |
| 04:56.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:56.38 | mousex | the_shamansito: /join #debian-es |
| 04:56.47 | mousex | the_shamansito: alli te pueden ayudar en espannol |
| 04:56.54 | Rucas | Miaz: the one thing about debian i don't like is the lack of certain packages due to possible legal concerns... gentoo lets you throw anything in their repository so i don't have to add 20 third party repos |
| 04:57.04 | the_shamansito | mousex, gracias |
| 04:57.06 | torgrimt_ | NetDC: installed on ibm 345. guess it has the same ibm serverraid kontrooler |
| 04:57.12 | torgrimt_ | NetDC: worked like a charm ;) |
| 04:57.13 | mousex | the_shamansito: por nada |
| 04:57.14 | newbie | sanxiyn: how to implement suspend into kernel then? |
| 04:57.15 | funky | Rucas: sure |
| 04:57.18 | Miaz | Rucas: like lame and dvdcss :-p |
| 04:57.22 | Miaz | yeah, it makes sense |
| 04:57.36 | Miaz | i am just amused by people who use gentoo on production boxes |
| 04:57.44 | Rucas | heh |
| 04:57.44 | sanxiyn | newbie: Debian kernel maintainers disabled that (it was there before 2.6.7 package, I mean), because it was too much trouble. |
| 04:57.51 | torgrimt_ | NetDC: beware that its a difference with the intergrated raid kontroller, and the serverraid addon that supports raid5 |
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| 04:57.57 | sanxiyn | newbie: If you are brave, search for swsusp, hunt tips, and prepare some good lucks. |
| 04:58.09 | funky | newbie: try echo disk > /sys/power/state if you have acpi kernel support and sysfs |
| 04:58.30 | mousex | gee, nothing seems to fix this stupid trash folder!!! (I'm frustrated, sorry) |
| 04:58.39 | mousex | agggrrrrr |
| 04:58.40 | liable | suspend2 works nice for me. |
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| 04:59.02 | MobyTurbo | !folder |
| 04:59.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
| 04:59.03 | Teufel | I had apache installed but just installed a whole package with apache, php, and mysql. How can I delete my old apache and make my other one start when the computer does? |
| 04:59.19 | sanxiyn | newbie: http://www.suspend2.net/ |
| 04:59.38 | newbie | sanxiyn: thats the easiest way? |
| 04:59.39 | torgrimt_ | Tusnal: apt-get remove and dpgk --purge |
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| 04:59.52 | mousex | !directory |
| 04:59.52 | dpkg | it's a folder dammit |
| 04:59.57 | mousex | see . . . |
| 04:59.58 | sanxiyn | newbie: I think so. |
| 04:59.58 | Davidebian | hi all |
| 05:00.12 | mousex | Davidebian: hola |
| 05:00.18 | distempr-o_O | Anyone know where I can obtain floppy netinst images for amd64? |
| 05:00.56 | sith-R2D2 | holla |
| 05:00.56 | Miaz | sanxiyn: suspend2 is different from the one included in the kernel? |
| 05:01.10 | liable | Miaz: yes |
| 05:01.31 | newbie | how to unpack tar.bz2? I am too used to tar.gz that I forget each time how to unpack bz2 |
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| 05:01.53 | funky | newbie: reading man tar ? |
| 05:02.24 | newbie | funky: no I am not gonna read man tar once a month everytime I encouter tar.bz2! this is nuts |
| 05:02.27 | trave11er | newbie: please do at least _some_ effort to find information yourself |
| 05:02.45 | trave11er | newbie: otherwise you'll never learn anything |
| 05:02.45 | torgrimt_ | funky: s/z/j and you are on you way ;) |
| 05:02.46 | funky | newbie: you can perform searchs in manuals |
| 05:02.53 | torgrimt_ | newbie: i mean ;) |
| 05:03.11 | torgrimt_ | newbie: man tar, press / and type bzip |
| 05:03.14 | liable | newbie: well right it down ffs. |
| 05:03.47 | newbie | torgrimt_: thanks :) I really hate to read whol man page just for some switches I forget |
| 05:04.01 | torgrimt_ | newbie: thats why you can search ;) |
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| 05:04.30 | funky | arg, i need bash-completion but there isnt candidate package! |
| 05:04.33 | cheal | alternatively, use dpkg |
| 05:04.37 | cheal | !tar |
| 05:04.37 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 05:05.26 | cheal | ...or use unp |
| 05:05.29 | newbie | now that I gotta put somehwere in :) |
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| 05:05.32 | cheal | ...or use sid's tar |
| 05:05.33 | Xenguy | mousex: it's directory buddy ;P |
| 05:05.34 | newbie | so I always see this |
| 05:05.38 | mousex | oh, goody; deleting the Trash "folder" and logging off solved it |
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| 05:06.13 | trave11er | newbie: best way is to write it down on a post-it note and stick it to your monitor :-) |
| 05:06.14 | mousex | what's a directory called in macOS? |
| 05:06.36 | kittymag | 3m? |
| 05:06.42 | mousex | traveller: that's what sticky note software is for . . . |
| 05:06.45 | Xenguy | mousex: you probably call it a 'sub-folder' too :P |
| 05:07.06 | Davidebian | someone.. has a good source list for sarge amd64? |
| 05:07.10 | mousex | Xenguy: interestingly enough, I call thouse "sub-directories" but all others "folders" |
| 05:07.19 | Xenguy | mousex: go figure |
| 05:07.27 | cheal | mousex: wikipedia says folder |
| 05:07.37 | Guerin | !tell Davidebian about amd64 |
| 05:07.38 | mousex | Xenguy: hey, I was a win user for so long . . . |
| 05:07.43 | newbie | trave11er: I found better way :P |
| 05:07.44 | newbie | http://pastebin.com/302072 |
| 05:07.46 | mousex | see, wikipedia is on my side |
| 05:07.47 | newbie | lol |
| 05:07.52 | kittymag | adm64 is ... |
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| 05:08.04 | kittymag | lock-in cpu |
| 05:08.16 | mousex | lock-in??? |
| 05:08.20 | kittymag | mmu |
| 05:08.24 | mousex | !amd64 |
| 05:08.24 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 05:08.30 | Guerin | kittymag: ? |
| 05:08.32 | Davidebian | ok thanks |
| 05:08.38 | Davidebian | !amd64 |
| 05:08.38 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 05:08.38 | kittymag | build-in mmu |
| 05:08.50 | mousex | !mu |
| 05:08.50 | dpkg | When asked by a monk if a dog had Buddha Nature, Joshu said "Mu." |
| 05:09.20 | mousex | !mmu |
| 05:09.20 | dpkg | from memory, mmu is Memory Management Unit. |
| 05:09.36 | MobyTurbo | !dict mmu |
| 05:09.36 | Guerin | kittymag: so? |
| 05:09.37 | dpkg | Dictionary 'mmu' (2): Memory Management Unit ;; 220 aspen.miranda.org dictd 1.9.15/rf on Linux 2.4.27-2-k7 <auth.mime> <521805.18059.1119244178@aspen.miranda.org> 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "mmu" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" MMU. |
| 05:09.42 | Anduril66 | !mu |
| 05:09.43 | dpkg | When asked by a monk if a dog had Buddha Nature, Joshu said "Mu." |
| 05:09.57 | Anduril66 | Is that from GEB? |
| 05:10.06 | kittymag | you would see many many kinds of amd64 |
| 05:10.10 | Miaz | !fun |
| 05:10.10 | dpkg | !find apt |
| 05:10.15 | kittymag | sockets |
| 05:10.17 | Anduril66 | (Godel, Escher, Bach) |
| 05:10.23 | kittymag | (?) |
| 05:10.39 | Teufel | (p) |
| 05:11.02 | kittymag | (...) |
| 05:11.12 | mousex | is there a forth compiler/intrp for debian? |
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| 05:11.25 | kittymag | ? |
| 05:11.34 | mousex | nevermind, pforth |
| 05:11.45 | kittymag | a-zforth |
| 05:11.59 | axiom242 | how do I extract par2 files? |
| 05:12.12 | kittymag | ? |
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| 05:12.20 | Anduril66 | Teufal-Man on SA? |
| 05:12.37 | MobyTurbo | mousex: "apt-cache search forth" reveals more forth compilers too. |
| 05:12.45 | mousex | thanks |
| 05:13.25 | mousex | I'm exploring weird programming and scripting languages this week . . . college break, you know |
| 05:13.36 | funky | why people still uses apt-cache/apt-get ? releases notes from sarge recommends use aptitude |
| 05:13.53 | mousex | funky: it's easier/faster |
| 05:13.54 | MobyTurbo | funky: what's wrong with using apt-cache? |
| 05:13.57 | sanxiyn | funky: a habbit. |
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| 05:14.17 | trave11er | mousex: python is the next best thing since sliced bread |
| 05:14.23 | mborohovski | hey guys |
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| 05:14.33 | mborohovski | any idea how to automatically spin down an sata drive when not in use? |
| 05:14.35 | mborohovski | that sort of thing? |
| 05:14.40 | mousex | funky: if I wanted to use a menu or GUI, I'de just use gnome-apt |
| 05:14.40 | sanxiyn | Debian doesn't have BigForth though. |
| 05:14.43 | MobyTurbo | funky: and as for apt-get, it's harder to find "suggested" packages when you use apt |
| 05:14.46 | sanxiyn | #81170 is one of the oldest RFP. |
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| 05:14.56 | MobyTurbo | s/apt/aptitude/ |
| 05:14.58 | mousex | mborohovski: pdflushd |
| 05:15.00 | funky | mousex: you can use aptitude with cli |
| 05:15.08 | liable | mousex: you can use it exactly the same as apt, from the cli |
| 05:15.09 | mousex | funky: what's cli? |
| 05:15.15 | funky | comand line interface |
| 05:15.17 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: no i'm not a DD. i'm a debian maintainer |
| 05:15.24 | mousex | traveller: how come people love python? |
| 05:15.36 | sanxiyn | mousex: Because... it is a love! |
| 05:15.41 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: took you a bit to reply to that one. ;-) |
| 05:15.48 | funky | MobyTurbo: you can automagically install suggested packages with aptitude |
| 05:15.50 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: i was asleep |
| 05:16.05 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: what's the difference between DD and a maintainer? |
| 05:16.09 | jim | mousex" pforth, gforth, others |
| 05:16.21 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: believe it or not I wasn't participating in IRC that entire period. :-) |
| 05:16.29 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: debian maintainer is anyone who maintains a package |
| 05:16.29 | mousex | liable, funky: I had no idea aptitude was cli-compatible :) still, too much to type; apt is shorter |
| 05:16.45 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: debian developers have an @debian.org email address |
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| 05:17.07 | liable | mousex: heard of tab completion? |
| 05:17.22 | mousex | jim: thanks; any suggestions on good forth tutorials? |
| 05:17.22 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: thanks for clearing that up |
| 05:17.30 | mousex | liable: from xterm or konsole? |
| 05:17.43 | jim | mousex: starting forth, thinking forth |
| 05:17.48 | funky | liable: bash-completion |
| 05:17.59 | MobyTurbo | jim: both of those are out of print, right? |
| 05:17.59 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: no problem. i gotta catch the train now |
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| 05:18.11 | trave11er | MobyTurbo: more importantly, only DDs can upload stuff to the archive |
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| 05:18.18 | mborohovski | trave11er: do you think i should try apm over acpi? |
| 05:18.33 | mborohovski | or would my bios not even do apm seeing as to how new it is |
| 05:18.35 | trave11er | mborohovski: if your machine supports it - sure |
| 05:18.44 | mborohovski | how can i check if my machine supports it? |
| 05:18.45 | trave11er | mborohovski: but i doubt it |
| 05:18.45 | jim | mousex: get a forth interp and hack on it/learn the words/program in it full-time for a month |
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| 05:19.05 | mousex | jim: thanks . . . I have a week |
| 05:19.24 | trave11er | mborohovski: if it writes something different than "apm: BIOS not found. |
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| 05:19.26 | jim | mousex: make sure you get to how words are defined, how conditionals work, etc |
| 05:19.26 | trave11er | " |
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| 05:19.30 | sanxiyn | DD is defined as someone having his key in Debian keyring. |
| 05:19.33 | jim | mousex: why? |
| 05:19.34 | trave11er | mborohovski: in dmesg during booting |
| 05:19.40 | mousex | jim: summer classes; sucks |
| 05:19.45 | mousex | jim: kindof |
| 05:19.57 | mborohovski | wouldnt i need to compile in apm first? |
| 05:19.58 | mborohovski | hold on |
| 05:20.01 | jim | wait, I don't understand |
| 05:20.03 | rutski89 | Hi, I'm new to debian; how do I install KDE 3.4.1 if I'm on sarge ( its far prettier than kde 3.3.2 O.o ) |
| 05:20.09 | aleman | hey everybody |
| 05:20.16 | rutski89 | aleman: hi |
| 05:20.20 | mousex | jim: I'm on break now, so I can be a programmer full-time |
| 05:20.24 | mousex | jim: or try to |
| 05:20.25 | tarzeau | rutski89: you can't. period. |
| 05:20.30 | mousex | jim: or break my head trying to |
| 05:20.39 | jim | mousex: then start now :) |
| 05:20.39 | rutski89 | tarzeau: you sure? |
| 05:20.40 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite rutski89 |
| 05:20.40 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon rutski89. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:21.07 | mousex | jim: I just finished a Tk scrip; tcl is quite easy to learn, except when it comes to arrays and command parsing |
| 05:21.13 | jim | mousex: out of curiousity... why forth? |
| 05:21.23 | aleman | I'm trying to get my soundcard working on debian (2.6.8) and my soundblaster live 7.1 doesn't seem to have a driver for it or something |
| 05:21.31 | aleman | any inside knowledge? |
| 05:21.33 | rutski89 | ok then, where do I go to talk about kde 3.4.1? |
| 05:21.57 | mousex | rutski89: apt-get install kde kdesktop |
| 05:22.11 | mousex | rutski89: but I don't know which version that will give you |
| 05:22.16 | rutski89 | 3.3.2 |
| 05:22.20 | mousex | uh |
| 05:22.25 | mousex | join #kde |
| 05:22.29 | rutski89 | sure |
| 05:22.31 | cmihai | aleman: it should work with snd_emu10k1 I guess... |
| 05:22.31 | rutski89 | ty, cya round |
| 05:22.42 | mborohovski | alright im gonna try |
| 05:22.47 | mborohovski | see you guys tomorrow |
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| 05:22.57 | mousex | jim: heard of it back when I had a palm pilot, and installed an interpreter in the palm, but never had a chance to try it |
| 05:23.01 | aleman | cmihai: you just load the driver? |
| 05:23.12 | jordo2323 | Does anyone know if there is a HOWTO about adding debian to a PC that already has Windows XP on it? |
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| 05:23.47 | jim | rutski89: you have two basic choices... (1) stick with what's available in debian packages for your version of debian (this one will keep your system and any helpers you ask sane) |
| 05:23.47 | mousex | jordo2323: search www.debianhelp.org |
| 05:24.27 | cheal | jordo2323: yes ; install it |
| 05:24.38 | jim | rutski89: (2) do anything else outside of the debian packaging system to get what you want (this is reasonable; you SHOULD run ANYTHING YOU WANT) |
| 05:24.43 | MobyTurbo | jordo2323: maybe parted can shrink an NTFS paritition if you want to have them both on the same HD |
| 05:24.43 | mousex | jordo2323: are you trying to keep winxp, or just debian? |
| 05:24.47 | jordo2323 | cheal: ?? |
| 05:25.21 | rutski89 | jim: I intend to run anything i want :D |
| 05:25.27 | jordo2323 | mousex: I have windows installed to one HD (which contains the MBR) but want to put Debian either on that HD, or another one if possible. |
| 05:25.33 | rutski89 | jim: I wouldn't mind switching to a newer version of debian |
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| 05:25.46 | mousex | jordo2323: it will be a lot easier to put it in a different hard drive |
| 05:25.50 | jim | rutski89: but with (2), you have to keep track of everything, and you can't really ask people here, because they won't know what you have |
| 05:26.02 | rutski89 | jim: starge is... stable... right? wat are testing and unstable? can i get them via a net_install CD? |
| 05:26.15 | cheal | !tell rutski89 about kde3.4 |
| 05:26.16 | jordo2323 | mousex: That's fine, I would do that. |
| 05:26.20 | sanxiyn | rutski89: Yes, just update from it. |
| 05:26.21 | mousex | jordo2323: the sarge installer will but grub, the boot loader, in the primary disk and put a menu for winxp automagically |
| 05:26.25 | jim | rutski89: if you have sarge now, you can upgrade to either |
| 05:26.31 | rutski89 | cheal: can you get that to work, I'm sure it would help :D |
| 05:26.32 | MobyTurbo | !iyntays rutski89 |
| 05:26.42 | rutski89 | jim: o yea? and it would be a clean upgrade and all, you sure? |
| 05:26.51 | jim | of course not |
| 05:26.59 | jim | because: testing is NOT STABLE |
| 05:27.06 | jim | and unstable is NOT STABLE |
| 05:27.07 | MobyTurbo | rutski89: if you need to ask how to install sid you shouldn't run it |
| 05:27.07 | sanxiyn | rutski89: It will mostly work. |
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| 05:27.17 | rutski89 | jim: i mean, it would be the same as a fresh install off of the CD? |
| 05:27.18 | jordo2323 | mousex: Will windows be able to read the file system on the second HD? |
| 05:27.21 | jim | so. will it be totally clean? I dunno :P |
| 05:27.23 | K_Dallas | why is that kde3.4 so requested? |
| 05:27.34 | sanxiyn | rutski89: What CD? |
| 05:27.36 | mousex | jordo2323: not unless you have an ext3 reader program installed |
| 05:27.37 | rutski89 | K_Dallas: Its pretty looking :D |
| 05:27.38 | cheal | rutski89: what's not working? dpkg didn't tell you? |
| 05:27.49 | rutski89 | sanxiyn: net_install for testing, is there one? |
| 05:27.52 | K_Dallas | rutski89, just that or it has become leaner and faster? |
| 05:27.59 | jim | rutski89: you're not getting it... see: stable never changes versions... it's harsh, isn't it? never changes. |
| 05:28.05 | jordo2323 | mousex: do you know the name of one (Preferably the most notable)? |
| 05:28.07 | mousex | jordo2323: and linux will only read the winxp disk, not write to it, unless you convert it to fat32 instead of ntfs |
| 05:28.12 | sanxiyn | rutski89: Well, installing Sarge and upgrading from there *is* net install. |
| 05:28.13 | rutski89 | cheal: nothing's not working, im just asking IF i upgraded to testing, would everying work... atleast to a certain extent |
| 05:28.26 | mousex | jordo2323: I don't recall, but you can google it. |
| 05:28.26 | sanxiyn | rutski89: Yes. Others will say no. Ignore. |
| 05:28.32 | jordo2323 | mousex: Is it possible to convert the two HD's I have to FAT32? |
| 05:28.35 | jim | rutski89: testing changes slowly, and hopefully testing stays sorta minimally buggy |
| 05:28.41 | rutski89 | jim: ok, gotcha, is the net_install CD avaiable for testing? |
| 05:28.58 | rutski89 | jim: year, i read that, i've been reading up on debians website |
| 05:29.00 | cheal | rutski89: everything *should* work |
| 05:29.03 | sanxiyn | rutski89: There's no reason to use CD to install if you just want to upgrade to testing. |
| 05:29.05 | rutski89 | jim: Unstable is the _truly_ unstalbe one |
| 05:29.18 | rutski89 | sanxiyn: great, how do I do that then? |
| 05:29.18 | mousex | jordo2323: you can convert the winxp disk to fat32 with partition magic; I don't know if linux can be installed in fat32, though |
| 05:29.21 | sanxiyn | rutski89: Let's not deceive ourselves... |
| 05:29.28 | cheal | rutski89: but that doesn't explain why you'd upgrade to testing |
| 05:29.42 | MobyTurbo | rutski89: I should warn you that since so little time has passed testing won't have all that many new packages just yet. |
| 05:29.43 | rutski89 | sanxiyn: O.o I know, I just want KDE 3.4.1 |
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| 05:29.53 | jim | rutski89: unstable changes constantly, and mirrors are pulsed daily, and can be stable one day and format your hard drive for you the next (extreme example; we hope it doesn't do this, but...) |
| 05:29.55 | rutski89 | its not a production system, its just a home desktop |
| 05:30.11 | mousex | jim: it has ;-) |
| 05:30.12 | rutski89 | jim: I never said i was going to use unstalbe O.o |
| 05:30.22 | rutski89 | mousex: ouch! |
| 05:30.25 | jim | rutski89: never said you weren't :) |
| 05:30.32 | rutski89 | jim: lol |
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| 05:30.43 | rutski89 | jim: anyway, sarge --> testing; how do i do it? |
| 05:30.57 | rutski89 | jim: should I do it? is there an "apt-get install kde=3.4.1" kind of command? |
| 05:30.58 | jim | look at your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:31.06 | rutski89 | ok, i am |
| 05:31.09 | mousex | change /etc/apt/sources.list to use "testing" instead of "stable" |
| 05:31.09 | duncf | rutski89: edit /etc/apt/sources.list change sarge/stable to testing and then run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:31.11 | streuner | !sarge->etch |
| 05:31.12 | _zoidberg | rutski89: change the dist in sources.list |
| 05:31.13 | jm_ | rutski89: man apt-get |
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| 05:31.20 | mousex | apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:31.26 | mousex | oh |
| 05:31.30 | mousex | lags |
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| 05:31.49 | rutski89 | yea, i hear apt-get update is pretty important after a sources.list change ;-D |
| 05:31.54 | jim | rutski89: as far as kde, I have no idea if it's in testing or not |
| 05:32.02 | jim | !info kde testing |
| 05:32.05 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:44 (etch), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 05:32.06 | rutski89 | yea, ive checked the package list file from mirrors |
| 05:32.18 | mousex | 5.44??? |
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| 05:32.23 | jim | no idea what that version number refers to |
| 05:32.23 | funky | !info bash-completion |
| 05:32.24 | sanxiyn | jim: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 05:32.27 | reamtS | how to get a complete kde enviroment? |
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| 05:32.33 | rutski89 | and apt-cache show kde-core says its version "5:44" and thats on sarge |
| 05:32.37 | sanxiyn | reamtS: Install kde-core. |
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| 05:32.42 | rutski89 | yea |
| 05:32.43 | reamtS | thx |
| 05:32.44 | sanxiyn | reamtS: If you want much more, you can install kde. |
| 05:32.45 | jim | sanxiyn: one-liner description? |
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| 05:32.48 | mousex | apt-get install kde kdesktop |
| 05:33.00 | reamtS | sanxiyn: same goes for gnome? |
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| 05:33.06 | MobyTurbo | !info kdelibs-bin testing |
| 05:33.09 | dpkg | kdelibs-bin: (KDE core binaries), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-6.1 (etch), Packaged size: 842 kB, Installed size: 2580 kB |
| 05:33.12 | sanxiyn | reamtS: Yes, gnome-core and gnome. |
| 05:33.13 | rutski89 | be sure to have done "apt-get install xserver-xfree86 xfonts-base kdm" as well |
| 05:33.20 | rutski89 | and then run /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 05:33.24 | MobyTurbo | rutski89: ^^ |
| 05:33.28 | matjan_ | anyone have experience with speedstream modems? |
| 05:33.29 | reamtS | thx again |
| 05:33.31 | clarence | ben where ? |
| 05:33.34 | newbie | hmm I installed kernel-source-2.6.8, and now I want to compile it |
| 05:33.34 | streuner | !info kdelibs-bin experimental |
| 05:33.36 | newbie | how do I do it? |
| 05:33.38 | dpkg | kdelibs-bin: (core binaries for all KDE applications), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.1-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 842 kB, Installed size: 2568 kB |
| 05:33.41 | sanxiyn | You could install xfce4 too :-) |
| 05:33.43 | sanxiyn | (Now 4.2!) |
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| 05:33.46 | mousex | rutski89: kdm & is shorter . . . |
| 05:33.58 | rutski89 | mousex: ?? |
| 05:34.01 | jim | so 3.4.x is in -experimental-?\ |
| 05:34.11 | MobyTurbo | !info kdelibs-bin sid |
| 05:34.13 | streuner | newbie: why? |
| 05:34.13 | rutski89 | mousex: oh, gotcha, it will pull it all in as deps? |
| 05:34.14 | dpkg | kdelibs-bin: (KDE core binaries), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-6.1 (sid), Packaged size: 842 kB, Installed size: 2580 kB |
| 05:34.25 | sanxiyn | jim: Yes, it is in experimental. |
| 05:34.29 | streuner | newbie: what version of debian do you have installed? |
| 05:34.30 | sanxiyn | (Also in pkg-kde.) |
| 05:34.33 | MobyTurbo | rutski89: as you can see 3.3.2 is in both testing and sid |
| 05:34.42 | rutski89 | yea O.o |
| 05:34.47 | rutski89 | sid = sarge? |
| 05:34.50 | sanxiyn | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kde/kdelibs |
| 05:34.54 | MobyTurbo | rutski89: sid = unstable |
| 05:34.56 | rutski89 | ahe, deb it? |
| 05:34.59 | rutski89 | oh |
| 05:35.02 | sanxiyn | rutski89: sarge is stable, etch is testing, sid is unstable. |
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| 05:35.04 | rutski89 | yea, but, i can run deb on that mirror, right? |
| 05:35.07 | jim | rutski89: sid is permanent name for experimental |
| 05:35.09 | mousex | rutski89: no, I was saying that "kde &" is shorter to type than "/etc/init.d/kde start" |
| 05:35.14 | sanxiyn | jim: No, for unstable. |
| 05:35.15 | cheal | newbie: if you think reading a manpage is too hard, come back asking about kernel compilation in 5 or 10 years |
| 05:35.23 | MobyTurbo | jim: experimental is not sid |
| 05:35.25 | rutski89 | mousex: ahh, i see |
| 05:35.25 | streuner | jim: bullshit |
| 05:35.27 | jacko24 | question, what is the best windows os to use for compatability in debian with vmware, and suggestions? |
| 05:35.33 | mousex | who decied on "etch" without consulting me, dpkg??? |
| 05:35.37 | streuner | dpkg, sid |
| 05:35.37 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 05:35.38 | mousex | who's your daddy, dpkg? |
| 05:35.43 | streuner | dpkg, experimental |
| 05:35.43 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 05:35.44 | jim | oh, oops, meant to say unstable |
| 05:36.00 | sanxiyn | jacko24: As VMware supports all versions of Windows, that shouldn't matter. |
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| 05:36.15 | jim | streuner: be nice... oh wait, nevermind |
| 05:36.23 | jacko24 | sanxiyn i was just curious as to which ran the quickest |
| 05:36.33 | sanxiyn | jacko24: Older versions. |
| 05:36.35 | streuner | jim: you are talking bs |
| 05:36.41 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.49 | jacko24 | sanxiyn do you run vmware? |
| 05:36.50 | streuner | jim: if you talking bs i will tell you |
| 05:37.01 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:37.09 | mousex | jacko24: I found nt4 faster for some reason |
| 05:37.15 | sanxiyn | jacko24: I once ran Windows XP Home in it. Before that, I once ran Debian in it. :-) |
| 05:37.25 | jacko24 | ah ok ha |
| 05:37.26 | mousex | inside vmware, that is |
| 05:37.28 | jim | don't bother me (oh wait, never mind; you can't now) |
| 05:37.34 | rutski89 | hehe, thanks guys, looks like I'll be sticking to 3.3.2 for now |
| 05:37.48 | rutski89 | yea... 3.4.1 is what, a hand full of weeks old? |
| 05:37.50 | jacko24 | mousex is win98 se pretty fast as well? |
| 05:38.06 | newbie | streuner: I need to compile it in order to add sw suspend2 support |
| 05:38.08 | jacko24 | mousex is nt4 newer or older than win2000 |
| 05:38.10 | mousex | jacko24: as long as you don't bloat it with spyware, it is |
| 05:38.27 | newbie | atm I use2.6.8-2-686 |
| 05:38.30 | cheal | rutski89: kde.org should tell you |
| 05:38.36 | mousex | jacko24: listen, any win version will run fine in vmware as long as you don't install any extra software :) |
| 05:38.39 | jacko24 | mousex ah yes the oppressive spyware can be a prob |
| 05:38.43 | streuner | newbie: you need kernel-headers of 2.6.8, what version of debian? sarge? |
| 05:38.50 | rutski89 | cheal: yea, thats where I got my info from ;D |
| 05:38.51 | newbie | Sarge 3.1 |
| 05:39.08 | streuner | dpkg, find kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
| 05:39.09 | jim | rutski89: so you were thinking of this version cause it was pretty? |
| 05:39.10 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-headers-2.6.8' (9 of 12): kernel-headers-2.6.8-11 ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-11-amd64-generic ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4 ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686. |
| 05:39.24 | jacko24 | can someone help me out? why is it when i try to use gtk-gnutella or azureus my internet shuts off? |
| 05:39.38 | siimo | jacko24, lol must be your ISP |
| 05:39.46 | jim | jacko24: read your aup |
| 05:40.01 | streuner | newbie: install buildessential and kernel-headers |
| 05:40.01 | jim | does your ISP allow you to participate in p2p? |
| 05:40.05 | jacko24 | when i installed debian stable i had ppp preconfigured somehow and a built in firewall somewhere anyone know what i am talking about? |
| 05:40.15 | cmihai | no. |
| 05:40.24 | cmihai | Not even you from what I can tell. :) |
| 05:40.25 | jacko24 | jim it did before i reinstalled debian |
| 05:40.27 | rutski89 | Lets say I'm installing kdebase, is there anyway to get a tree of all suggests info? like, kdebase suggests kdm, but i'd like to see what kdm suggests at the same time |
| 05:40.33 | yoshio | newbie: read /usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.6.8/debian.README.gz, install the package "kernel-package", and read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/* type "apt-cache show kernel-package" |
| 05:40.59 | jim | jacko24: you'll have to find out why it's doing that |
| 05:41.01 | reamtS | If I want to make my own kernel package, do I have to get it from apt-get? or can I get it from linux.org, but do I must put stuff like debian/rules if I get it from linux.org? |
| 05:41.20 | rutski89 | does anyone have a defacto way to get java-1.5.0.x installed? |
| 05:41.23 | siimo | reamtS, you can install any way you want |
| 05:41.30 | jacko24 | when i started debian the first time my internet connection was already set up without ppp and also i have a firewall somewhere that is working because i switched the firehol config files, and i am somehow still protected |
| 05:41.36 | siimo | rutski89, java.sun.com |
| 05:41.48 | jim | rutski89: look at java-package |
| 05:42.02 | rutski89 | siimo: O.o lol, yea, I've done that, but I couldn't seam to find it via apt-cache |
| 05:42.18 | yoshio | reamtS: read /usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.6.8/debian.README.gz, install the package "kernel-package", and read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/* type "apt-cache show kernel-package" |
| 05:42.21 | rutski89 | siimo: i probably haven't looked into it quite enough yet, sorry... :-/ |
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| 05:42.26 | siimo | rutski89, sun's license does not permit it to be in debian |
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| 05:42.48 | jacko24 | siimo what java? |
| 05:42.53 | rutski89 | siimo: as in... at ALL? |
| 05:42.58 | siimo | sun's own java |
| 05:43.06 | rutski89 | siimo: or just via a pre-made .deb? |
| 05:43.08 | jacko24 | siimo i got mine to run fine |
| 05:43.12 | siimo | there may be unofficial repo's |
| 05:43.14 | liable | newbie: you need the kernel-source, patch it (debian kernel-source may not patch cleanly) copy your kernel config over, run make menuconfig, add suspend2 (built in), then make-kpkg. install and done. |
| 05:43.19 | sdogi | is changing to anacron as simple as installing anacron and removing cron? |
| 05:43.23 | jim | rutski89: what isn't allowed is for debian to -distribute- it |
| 05:43.46 | mousex | jacko24: since you asked about vmware, I thought you'de be interested in knowing that crossOverOffice (a commercial wine-based program) is quite fast, and you can get it for free if you join as a tester |
| 05:43.50 | siimo | rutski89, i meant it cannot be in apt |
| 05:43.50 | yoshio | sdogi: anacron is for computers that are not always on, like laptops. You can have both installed at once. |
| 05:44.02 | rutski89 | jim: phew, i got scared there for a moment X.o |
| 05:44.17 | jim | rutski89: what is allowed is for you to install it and run it, and also for you to process it using java-package into a debian package which you then install |
| 05:44.43 | rutski89 | jim: great! hmm... "apt-cache search java | grep java-package" shows no output |
| 05:44.48 | newbie | streuner: there is no package called buildessential |
| 05:44.55 | jim | jsut install it :) |
| 05:44.58 | streuner | !b-e newbie |
| 05:44.59 | dpkg | newbie: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 05:45.05 | jim | apt-get install java-package |
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| 05:45.29 | sdogi | yoshio: i think using anacron would be any day better, as even if you don't use it on laptop, it would still work as usual cron daemon |
| 05:45.29 | yoshio | rutski89: it's in stable http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/java-package |
| 05:45.37 | jim | or aptitude install java-package |
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| 05:45.52 | jim | aptitude has better dependency algorithms |
| 05:46.01 | rutski89 | jim: ok, so "apt-get install java-package" was not supposed to work, right? becuase i have to use aptitude? |
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| 05:46.25 | jacko24 | mousex thanks but from the site i don't think it will run ebay turbo lister |
| 05:46.30 | jim | wait, I remember the problem now... java-package is not in main, it's in contrib |
| 05:46.35 | sdogi | yoshio: can't understand why won't anacron take cron's place |
| 05:46.37 | jim | so you have to alter your sources.list |
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| 05:46.54 | rutski89 | jim: ahh, what do i have to tell it to look in? |
| 05:47.02 | jim | jsut add contrib |
| 05:47.11 | rutski89 | jim: will this override some defaults? like... will i get the KDE from contrib too? |
| 05:47.11 | sean_micken | what's the configurator in debian for network settings? |
| 05:47.21 | newbie | how do I stop what I started and detached with ctrl+z? |
| 05:47.23 | streuner | sean_micken: edit |
| 05:47.25 | yoshio | sdogi: "apt-cache show anacron" shows that "cron" is a recommended package |
| 05:47.33 | furrywolf | sean_micken: vi |
| 05:47.37 | jim | run this and show the result: grep "^deb " /etc/apt/sources.list | head -1 |
| 05:47.41 | streuner | sean_micken: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 05:47.45 | mousex | jacko24: I just tried it last night, and they're right: it doesn't work. I too will have to use vmware for that one (and nero) |
| 05:47.45 | jim | should produce one line |
| 05:47.48 | jim | show it |
| 05:48.01 | jm_ | newbie: kill it, or fg it and stop it normally |
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| 05:48.03 | sean_micken | streuner: is there a man page for the syntax of that file? |
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| 05:48.09 | streuner | sean_micken: read /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples |
| 05:48.18 | sdogi | yoshio: i wonder why |
| 05:48.26 | rutski89 | jim: nada |
| 05:48.31 | jim | rutski89: don't know, we're talking about java now :) |
| 05:48.36 | trave11er | sean_micken: yes, man interfaces |
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| 05:48.51 | streuner | sean_micken: DHCP? |
| 05:48.54 | jim | run this and show the result: grep "^deb " /etc/apt/sources.list | wc |
| 05:49.04 | rutski89 | 0 0 0 |
| 05:49.04 | streuner | sean_micken: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 05:49.08 | jim | wow |
| 05:49.28 | yoshio | newbie: "jobs" shows you currently running processes from your original shell, "fg" or "bg" foregrounds and backgrounds processes |
| 05:49.30 | rutski89 | i know all about the stuff on the left side of the pipe, but what does the wc do? |
| 05:49.44 | jim | wc /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:49.46 | mousex | has anyone here successfully configured alsa to use the MIDI synth on a via_82xx?? the alsa how-to isn't very helpful, as it is quite old. I couldn't even get the alsa synth to work |
| 05:49.47 | sean_micken | rutski89: wordcount. just counts words/lines/characters. |
| 05:49.50 | sdogi | yoshio: ahh, you mean debian package recommended :) |
| 05:49.54 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.01 | rutski89 | 6 16 177 |
| 05:50.03 | rutski89 | yea |
| 05:50.07 | rutski89 | i man'd it |
| 05:50.17 | jim | good job! |
| 05:50.39 | rutski89 | O.o /me blushes |
| 05:50.45 | rutski89 | jim: |
| 05:50.47 | jim | I'm not going to try to hurt your system, but you should always check |
| 05:50.48 | rutski89 | oops |
| 05:51.27 | john | !lol |
| 05:51.27 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 05:51.34 | john | sorry, i needed that jesus pic. |
| 05:51.36 | rutski89 | jim: deb http://lyre.mit.edu/debian/ stable main #new line# http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 05:51.44 | rutski89 | was taht what you were fishing for, more or less? |
| 05:52.01 | exobyte | how primative is qos in 2.4.17? |
| 05:52.15 | jim | rutski89: make it read... deb http://lyre.mit.edu/debian/ stable main contrib |
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| 05:53.03 | rutski89 | jim: great, i really must know though; contrib will NOT over-write anything from main? |
| 05:53.12 | jim | nope |
| 05:53.14 | rutski89 | **overlap... to use a better word |
| 05:53.15 | jim | sure won't |
| 05:53.15 | rutski89 | great |
| 05:53.41 | jim | so you just added contrib... you can also add non-free if you want |
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| 05:54.30 | rutski89 | jim: yea, but I don't see why, is that stuff like cedega etc...? |
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| 05:55.00 | jim | stuff that can be distributed but have (at least) questionable licenses |
| 05:55.09 | rutski89 | jim: ahh, i see |
| 05:55.31 | rutski89 | jim: ill stick with just contrib for now, I'd rather, because I want to know when somthing is comming from non-free |
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| 05:55.45 | yoshio | rutski89: stable/contrib/: Each package in this directory is itself DFSG-free but somehow Depends on a package that is not DFSG-free. |
| 05:55.48 | jim | contrib is stuff that could be in main, but is primarily to support stuff in non-free |
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| 05:56.16 | rutski89 | jim: yup, makes sense, thanks for the fyi :D |
| 05:56.17 | jim | rutski89: you can also separate them out like this... |
| 05:56.30 | rutski89 | jim: sure, I'm listening |
| 05:56.37 | jim | deb http://lyre.mit.edu/debian/ stable main |
| 05:56.44 | jim | deb http://lyre.mit.edu/debian/ stable contrib |
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| 05:56.48 | jim | deb http://lyre.mit.edu/debian/ stable non-free |
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| 05:57.08 | yoshio | rutski89: apt-cache show vrms |
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| 05:57.54 | rutski89 | yoshio: vrms? do you mean... like... if it came from contrib, non-free, or main? |
| 05:58.48 | jim | if you do that, it has the side effect that if it happens to be downloading a package from main and a package from (say) contrib, it will download them simultaneously |
| 05:58.59 | yoshio | rutski89: it just shows you packages installed from non-free - I only have the blackdown java from non-free installed |
| 06:00.02 | yoshio | rutski89: output is the name of the package, single line description, then "5 non-free packages, 0.3% of 1554 installed packages." |
| 06:00.24 | rutski89 | shoudl i have the securty.debian.org line read stable main cotnrib as well? |
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| 06:01.02 | rutski89 | jim: cool, I have java-package, whats next? |
| 06:01.02 | yoshio | rutski89: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib |
| 06:01.22 | rutski89 | **stable/update, atleast thats what i have by default |
| 06:01.38 | jim | rutski89: ok, now read /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED |
| 06:01.47 | jim | and pick one or more to try |
| 06:02.01 | K_Dallas | yoshio, why would i need contrib on the security line? |
| 06:02.16 | K_Dallas | (I dont have it on mine so should i add it?) |
| 06:02.32 | yoshio | rutski89: apt-cache show apt-show-versions |
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| 06:02.56 | jim | K_Dallas: if you don't have contrib on your non-security deb line, you won't need it |
| 06:03.03 | yoshio | K_Dallas: if you don't use contrib, you don't need it I guess |
| 06:03.28 | K_Dallas | oh i see, so if i have packages from contrib i need security updates for them too |
| 06:03.40 | K_Dallas | thanks, i just added it to security line |
| 06:04.05 | rutski89 | jim: so that jre-1_5_0_[0-9][0-9]-linux-i586.bin means that i can get 1.5.0.3, sweet! |
| 06:04.07 | rutski89 | :D |
| 06:04.10 | rutski89 | I think ill go with that |
| 06:04.19 | jim | rutski89: sure |
| 06:04.41 | Faithful | hey anyone know of a nice ncurses based cpu graph? |
| 06:04.42 | rutski89 | jim: if you don't mind holding my hand... whats the next step? |
| 06:04.50 | jim | the command you'll be running after you get that (and possibly other) .bins to try, is make-kpkg |
| 06:04.56 | jim | take a look at its man page |
| 06:05.02 | rutski89 | sure |
| 06:05.11 | yoshio | aha, http://www.debian.org/security/ has main contrib non-free on that line |
| 06:05.11 | rutski89 | while DLing the 1.5.0.3 file :D |
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| 06:05.33 | rutski89 | yoshio: yea, i added contrib, but not non-free |
| 06:05.39 | jim | oh, EFFICIENCY... wow, it's time for curry chicken! |
| 06:05.46 | jim | sorry, zippyism |
| 06:06.00 | K_Dallas | jim isnt it make-jpkg |
| 06:06.06 | jim | oh, thank you |
| 06:06.21 | jim | rutski89: sorry, see: K_Dallas |
| 06:06.25 | nuix | who can tell me some mailservers which open port 22 and can be connected by ssh redirection |
| 06:06.36 | Guerin | nuix: hahaha |
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| 06:06.44 | K_Dallas | rutski89, simply run make-jpkg you_bin_file |
| 06:06.48 | am88b | nuix: why? |
| 06:06.52 | nuix | Guerin, what? |
| 06:07.09 | Guerin | nuix: nice little bit of SocEng there; maybe if you try it in ##linux you might gets some hits |
| 06:07.09 | rutski89 | K_Dallas: great, ty, I'll read the man page just for kicks though ;D |
| 06:07.16 | K_Dallas | sure :) |
| 06:07.20 | Guerin | nuix: or #clueless-newbies |
| 06:08.30 | jim | "<nuix> Guerin, what?" <-- busted! |
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| 06:08.47 | exobyte | where would I get a 2.4.17->2.4.18 kernel patch? |
| 06:08.59 | Guerin | exobyte: kernel.org |
| 06:09.15 | streuner | exobyte: you are still running woody? |
| 06:09.18 | nuix | am88b, fetch mails securely |
| 06:09.21 | jim | oh, maybe not... nuix: what are you trying to accomplish exactly, specifically, completely? |
| 06:09.43 | Guerin | nuix: SMTP RUNS OVER 25 WITH tls |
| 06:09.45 | exobyte | streuner: heh- not quite. this is on an embedded system |
| 06:09.45 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:09.49 | Guerin | sorry, caps |
| 06:10.09 | jim | that zippyism was TOO long! |
| 06:10.10 | rutski89 | jim: Does the "Full Maintainer Name" need to be a users, or can I put my real full name? |
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| 06:10.26 | jim | rutski89: you can leave it blank too |
| 06:10.35 | rutski89 | jim: the default is root |
| 06:10.50 | jim | are you running it as root? |
| 06:10.54 | rutski89 | jim: no |
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| 06:11.02 | rutski89 | jim: i fake rooted it |
| 06:11.02 | jim | hmm, still default |
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| 06:11.38 | exobyte | Guerin: what would it be named? patch 2.4.18? |
| 06:11.46 | nuix | some mailservers have no service of ssh, so fetchmail can not work together with ssh ;( |
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| 06:12.11 | jim | ElectricElf: you finally made it official :P |
| 06:12.21 | jdub_ | are there any p2p programs besides bittorrent that can be found with synaptic with the standard repositories? |
| 06:12.39 | jim | rutski89: that's fine |
| 06:12.39 | jm_ | jdub_: gift |
| 06:12.55 | jm_ | jdub_: apt-cache search peer |
| 06:13.05 | streuner | !congratulate EE |
| 06:13.06 | dpkg | Good show EE, you did it! |
| 06:13.27 | rutski89 | jim: yea, it asked for a vail e-mail too, defaulted to root@localhost.localdomain, I'm pretty sure that exim4 will deilver mail there |
| 06:13.36 | nuix | ssh -f Peter@163.com -L 11110:pop.163.com:110 sleep 1000 |
| 06:13.43 | jdub_ | thanks |
| 06:13.44 | nuix | ssh: connect to host 163.com port 22: Connection refused |
| 06:13.45 | yoshio | nuix: I have "poll mail.xxxx.org protocol pop3 port 995 user username password password ssl" in my .fetchmailrc |
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| 06:13.55 | streuner | dpkg, say jim_ wth are you talking about (you finally made it offical)? |
| 06:13.56 | dpkg | jim_ wth are you talking about (you finally made it offical) |
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| 06:14.29 | DukGalNamu | whats a good wireless pci card for linux? |
| 06:14.46 | DukGalNamu | *replace good with cheap |
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| 06:14.53 | liable | haha |
| 06:15.17 | jim | rutski89: it's really meant for when you pass the package to others, they know who made the package and could then contact you |
| 06:15.36 | rutski89 | ahh |
| 06:15.47 | rutski89 | so its a debian thing, not a java thing |
| 06:15.53 | jim | yeah |
| 06:16.05 | rutski89 | jim: anyway, the .deb is there, whats next? |
| 06:16.19 | DukGalNamu | dpkg -i file.deb |
| 06:16.24 | jim | take a look at dpkg --help |
| 06:16.32 | DukGalNamu | lol |
| 06:16.35 | jim | see how to use dpkg to install packages |
| 06:16.36 | rutski89 | jim: sure |
| 06:16.37 | nuix | yoshio, thanks |
| 06:16.51 | rutski89 | DukGalNamu: should I shove it in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 06:16.57 | jim | also, take a look at the other things that dpkg is capable of |
| 06:16.58 | DukGalNamu | no |
| 06:17.03 | jim | you don't have to, no\ |
| 06:17.05 | yoshio | nuix: i googled for ".fetchmailrc port 995 ssl poll", got this one: http://bronski.net/data/fetchmail-eng.php |
| 06:17.33 | DukGalNamu | just type $ dpkg -i /where/ever/you/put/file.deb |
| 06:17.44 | DukGalNamu | without the $sign |
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| 06:17.51 | nuix | yoshio, I will check it, thanks |
| 06:18.04 | rutski89 | DukGalNamu: yea |
| 06:18.44 | rutski89 | oh, wow, java didn't even get put in /opt, this is full intergration isn't it |
| 06:18.44 | empty | DukGalNamu, try to get something with a Prism chipset- they are fairly well supported |
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| 06:19.05 | DukGalNamu | empty: could you name one? |
| 06:19.30 | Golly | Hi guys, very quick question. Being a linux newbie and just having installed debian not long ago, how do I change the console/terminal/prompt/whatever size? It's like 40x24 (lines x cols) or something, and i want to change it to a different display mode....any ideas? |
| 06:19.31 | DukGalNamu | and would it be working out of the box, or does it require lots of special config.... |
| 06:19.31 | rutski89 | DukGalNamu: oh, it gets put in /etc/alternatives |
| 06:19.42 | empty | DukGalNamu, not off the top of my head... There's a list over at seattlewireless.net (i think net) though |
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| 06:19.52 | jm_ | Golly: you're actually using console and not X? |
| 06:19.57 | empty | DukGalNamu, most every wifi card will require config |
| 06:19.59 | Golly | jm_: yes |
| 06:20.08 | nuix | yoshio, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Secure-POP+SSH.html#s1 . I got this, but no use |
| 06:20.17 | rutski89 | jim: Konqueror's javascript parsing really can't jake gmail O.o |
| 06:20.21 | Golly | I've searched the net alot but i can only get info on changing gfx modes for X... |
| 06:20.26 | empty | DukGalNamu, if you are looking to run a Linux AP though I think Prims 2.5's are the only ones that support it in Linux |
| 06:20.27 | DukGalNamu | empty: but will it require installation of drivers, and then modules and then some other crap to get working? |
| 06:20.28 | jm_ | Golly: three options, listed in order of my preference -- 1) stm, 2) use vga= kernel parameter, 3) FB |
| 06:20.28 | nuix | yoshio, it depends on mailservers |
| 06:20.39 | rutski89 | jim: I use KMail, but I'm just saying... I'd like not to use Firefox, konq is faster on an all qt system |
| 06:20.45 | DukGalNamu | empty: linux AP? |
| 06:20.48 | yoshio | nuix: yes, your mailserver has to support it |
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| 06:20.54 | empty | DukGalNamu, *every* card will need drivers and/or modules. It's pretty easy to do with module-assistant |
| 06:21.05 | DukGalNamu | ummmm |
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| 06:21.13 | DukGalNamu | empty: module-assistant? |
| 06:21.20 | jim | rutski89: I'm not sure I understand... for one, java and javascript is different |
| 06:21.24 | empty | DukGalNamu, you just wnat net access? Or a Linux router that can host wireless connections? AP = access point |
| 06:21.32 | HllywdW | I am having a problem installing mysql onto Debian, anyone know a quick way to do this? |
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| 06:21.38 | DukGalNamu | empty: just net access |
| 06:21.47 | empty | DukGalNamu, makes building kernel modules from apt-gotten source a breeze |
| 06:21.57 | Golly | jim: java and javascript have nothing to do with each other. Completely different technologies. |
| 06:22.17 | rutski89 | jim, Golly: I know |
| 06:22.19 | jim | HllywdW: apt-get install mysql? |
| 06:22.22 | rutski89 | I'm just saying... |
| 06:22.28 | DukGalNamu | empty: what i want is a card that will be recognized during the instalation of debian and automagically configured... |
| 06:22.33 | jim | HllywdW: apt-get install mysql-server? |
| 06:22.37 | exobyte | so.. in an embedded system, I have a kernel patch for a 2.4.17 kernel and a patch to go from 2.4.17 to 18. which one should I do first? I have a feeling doing both might be a bad idea. |
| 06:22.39 | rutski89 | jim: I'm setting up a new system, and mail is my next step |
| 06:22.54 | DukGalNamu | empty: kind of like ethernet |
| 06:22.58 | rutski89 | jim: I'd go into gmail's config menu and enable POP3, but konqueror can't take it |
| 06:23.14 | empty | DukGalNamu, I am not sure any will be, but I don't know all that much about it |
| 06:23.23 | DukGalNamu | dang |
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| 06:23.45 | DukGalNamu | so waht was the chipset i should be looking for again? |
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| 06:24.00 | jim | does this java thing have to do with the mail thing? or is this new/unrelated topic? |
| 06:24.04 | yoshio | nuix: I saw that howto a long time ago, and tried it - didn't work for me then, need to try debugging it sometime :-( |
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| 06:24.34 | empty | DukGalNamu, Prisms are well supported |
| 06:24.44 | rutski89 | jim: it's new/unrealted, sorry for the confusion; but... back on a REALATED note, java applets arent working in konqueror |
| 06:24.44 | DukGalNamu | ok thanks |
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| 06:24.56 | DukGalNamu | empty: thanks for the help, i will go looking now |
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| 06:25.10 | jim | rutski89: see if appletviewer works |
| 06:25.11 | yoshio | HllywdW: apt-get install mysql-client mysql-server |
| 06:25.19 | rutski89 | sure |
| 06:25.24 | empty | DukGalNamu, My laptop has a builtin ipw2200- that and the 2100 work well once you get the kernel modules made (smple, with instructions) |
| 06:25.32 | rutski89 | ill see if plain old java works first :p |
| 06:25.57 | empty | HllywdW, be *sure* to set a root PW on it when it tells you to |
| 06:26.53 | yoshio | rutski89: for mozilla, you need to copy a libjavaplugin_oji.so file into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 06:27.36 | cahoot | yoshio: symlink is enough |
| 06:27.45 | yoshio | rutski89: at least for blackdown java 1.4.2 |
| 06:27.53 | rutski89 | yoshio: I know ;D I'm in Konqueror |
| 06:27.55 | cmihai | Well this looks fun. My mouse cursor just died. |
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| 06:28.11 | yoshio | or symlink it :) |
| 06:28.21 | rutski89 | yea, symlink is better :D |
| 06:28.38 | cmihai | How do you restart a... mouse cursor ?! |
| 06:28.39 | jim | yoshio: does konqueror run java? |
| 06:29.05 | jim | cmihai: step on his tail,,, he'l curs you out! |
| 06:29.46 | cmihai | Well, I've never seen this happen before... |
| 06:29.54 | rutski89 | ok guys, thanks a bunch; I'll figure out Konq/Java later, and pray that KHTML' |
| 06:30.04 | jim | is it frozen, or disappeared? |
| 06:30.06 | rutski89 | s java script goes though more development |
| 06:30.19 | cmihai | jim: disappeared. I can still use it, but... |
| 06:30.25 | jim | can't see it? |
| 06:30.28 | yoshio | rutski89: I typed "about:plugins" in konqueror, got kjavaappletviewer.so |
| 06:30.31 | cmihai | So it works if I click on Applications for example, etc. But I can't see it. |
| 06:30.35 | rutski89 | oops ^^ hit enter in the middle of my goodbye message, letmmie start again ;D |
| 06:30.38 | cmihai | It's fscking invisible. |
| 06:31.16 | rutski89 | ok guys, thanks a bunch; I'll figure out Konq/Java later, and praty that KHTML's JavaScript goes through more development. Nice meeting you all, g'night |
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| 06:31.28 | cmihai | jim: I just set "mouse preferences" in Gnome's mouse settings to highlight pointer when I press "Control"... really fun... |
| 06:31.44 | cmihai | You can get a general ideaa of where the rat would be.. |
| 06:32.09 | jim | cmihai: I did that too; 1600x1200 in 21 inch screen makes the mouse hard to find... |
| 06:32.13 | yoshio | rutski89: locate says /usr/lib/kde3/kjavaappletviewer.so |
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| 06:32.23 | yoshio | oops |
| 06:32.27 | jim | cmihai: what happens when you restart x? |
| 06:32.32 | cmihai | jim: no mouse cursor make it even harder... |
| 06:32.48 | cmihai | Well, thank god I run screen for all my apps... I'll restart it now |
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| 06:32.58 | cmihai | Still, this sucks. |
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| 06:33.11 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 06:33.22 | daffy-pkf | how do i contact ircops please? |
| 06:33.39 | jim | daffy-pkf: #freenode |
| 06:33.48 | daffy-pkf | jim> thanks |
| 06:33.50 | cmihai | Ah, well. The rat is back. |
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| 06:34.01 | jim | and the cat in the hat? |
| 06:34.04 | cmihai | I guess I'll run "Amaya" again, see if it dies. |
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| 06:34.49 | myren | i love me my amaya |
| 06:35.06 | jim | that's a very good idea: try to reproduce the problem, try to isolate, then try to pinpoint |
| 06:35.24 | jim | and after that... |
| 06:35.31 | jim | try to -fix- it :) |
| 06:36.30 | cmihai | Well, looks like it's fine now. Did exactly the same things. |
| 06:36.44 | jim | ok, probably anomaly |
| 06:37.07 | cmihai | Well, funny stuff happes I guess. A few hours ago, the gnome taskbar applets got killed. Even after a X restart, I had to add them by hand again... strange. |
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| 06:37.45 | cmihai | Like the desktop switcher, app list, etc.. (bottom default bar) .. |
| 06:37.59 | nse | let's study... |
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| 06:39.48 | crappledev | gambas is broken in testing |
| 06:39.55 | jim | cmihai: what if you were to move your gnome preferences folder to another name, restart gnome and look at what it looks like when it makes you another one? |
| 06:41.03 | cmihai | Then it would probably be back to defaults. It's no big bother to put those back, it's the fact they dided without any real...reason. |
| 06:41.45 | jim | also, we don't know what caused it |
| 06:42.28 | cmihai | Running gnome-terminal for hours, nothing else. |
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| 06:43.52 | cmihai | Well, another strange thing. Firefox 1.0.4 on a default install -> the menu highligh (ex: I press "File" is all white) |
| 06:44.18 | cmihai | I hightlight "New Window" with the mouse -> It gets all white, can't see the text. |
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| 06:45.47 | ethics | so, does anyone have a good grasp of "menu" im getting double ups on the apps but not on the submenus.../usr/lib doesn't have doubles tho so im unsure where to look etc. |
| 06:45.58 | jim | you've got two bans on the same site |
| 06:46.08 | yoshio | cmihai: I never noticed that before, but mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2 is doing that to me too, i'm also using gnome, under testing etch |
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| 06:46.32 | tzafrir | ethics, /usr/lib/menu holds the source of the menu entries |
| 06:46.51 | cmihai | yoshio: yep, never seen that before, still, gnome, firefox 1.0.4 sarge -> problem. |
| 06:47.05 | tzafrir | ethics, then there are scripts under /etc/menu-somehing to generate menus for your desktop from them |
| 06:47.08 | caphuso | jim: hey, i just woke up and didn't even have a choice to boil water for a coffee. if you want to complain, wait 15 minutes until i'm able to hit back |
| 06:47.10 | cmihai | Well, changeing the default theme works. |
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| 06:47.21 | ethics | tzafrir, yeah , no doubles |
| 06:47.37 | cmihai | yoshio: it only seems to do that with the default "Simple" theme. |
| 06:47.38 | jim | caphuso: not complaining, just pointing it out... does that store two bans in the ban table? |
| 06:47.43 | tzafrir | ethics, also look at /etc/menu and ~/.menu |
| 06:47.52 | caphuso | jim: no |
| 06:48.00 | jim | so it's harmless |
| 06:48.18 | caphuso | slight waste of bandwidth |
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| 06:48.32 | ethics | tzafrir, /etc/menu also is empty , update-menus doesnt rebuild it 8( i cant find any way to rebuild it from scratch..ponering remove purge reinstall |
| 06:48.35 | cmihai | And again, that's the only theme I like. |
| 06:48.40 | cheal | yoshio: it's not a problem of the revision, it's a long standing upstream bug |
| 06:48.45 | ethics | tzafrir, ~/.menu empty also 8/ |
| 06:48.45 | HllywdW | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 06:48.45 | HllywdW | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 06:48.45 | HllywdW | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.45 | HllywdW | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 06:48.45 | HllywdW | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
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| 06:48.50 | Teufel | where can I find out what version of mySQL I am running? |
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| 06:49.07 | cmihai | And FireFox seems to be the only one doing so. Mozilla is fine. |
| 06:49.10 | yoshio | Teufel: dpkg -l |grep mysql |
| 06:49.11 | cheal | Teufel: try dpkg -l mysql-server |
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| 06:49.31 | cheal | cmihai: it's the same with TB |
| 06:49.32 | ethics | Teufel, man mysql...its prolly mysql /v or something |
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| 06:50.02 | adapter | what restrictions should i set to a local user in order to use it strictly for the ftp server(uploads/downloads from the homedir)? |
| 06:50.08 | HllywdW | oops I didn't scroll |
| 06:50.14 | cmihai | cheal: yes... |
| 06:50.19 | tzafrir | ethics, double entries of what exactly? |
| 06:50.37 | HllywdW | I was pasting |
| 06:50.58 | HllywdW | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 06:50.58 | HllywdW | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 06:51.07 | ethics | tzafrir, thx matey ill try the remove purge option...else ill just accept it its prolly a 2.10 issue ill bugreport it if the remove purge doesnt fix |
| 06:51.07 | jim | HllywdW: better you use soemthing like http://rafb.net/paste |
| 06:51.11 | cmihai | cheal: well, apart from chaning the default theme (wich I like), is there another fix? |
| 06:51.14 | tzafrir | HllywdW, /msg dpgg paster |
| 06:51.39 | cheal | cmihai: I don't think so; ask the BTS |
| 06:51.55 | tzafrir | HllywdW, well, what about permissions to there? Can the same user list that file with ls -l? |
| 06:51.57 | jim | HllywdW: so have you made the checks mentioned in the message? what are the results? |
| 06:52.36 | Teufel | I have two versions of Apache installed, (one that came with debian, and another with a package program) How would I uninstall the one that came with debian? |
| 06:52.39 | tzafrir | bah, s/dpgg/dpkg/ |
| 06:52.40 | HllywdW | I am using the root to install |
| 06:52.49 | ethics | tzafrir, doubles of everything that was installed at the time of upgrade to 2.10 ie new ones are fine but old programs double up....no apps menus themselves stay same |
| 06:53.04 | HllywdW | no problems with apt-get install mysql-client |
| 06:53.14 | HllywdW | the problem is mysql-server |
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| 06:53.27 | mardam-bey | w00t |
| 06:53.29 | mardam-bey | hello |
| 06:53.37 | tzafrir | ethics, is it the gnome menu or the "debian menus" of the gnome menu? |
| 06:53.53 | mardam-bey | how to change my window manager? |
| 06:54.17 | valdyn | Teufel: apt-get remove apache-common, if those 2 apache's overwrote each others files, you have to reinstall the other. |
| 06:54.19 | ethics | tzafrir, debian menu only...ie "menu" the gnomer ones are fine 8) |
| 06:54.28 | tzafrir | HllywdW, how do you know that a mysql server is running? |
| 06:54.30 | yoshio | HllywdW type "netstat -punta", is mysql listening on port 3306? |
| 06:54.38 | Teufel | valdyn: thanks |
| 06:54.46 | jm_ | mardam-bey: call your current window manager, tell him you would like to cancel the contract, then find another one and ask him to manage your windows |
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| 06:54.57 | tzafrir | yoshio, port 3306 is irrlevant. This is the unix socket of mysql |
| 06:55.03 | ethics | tzafrir, its no biggie just curious ...there was a bug with kde/xfce4 also like this which is gone now |
| 06:55.04 | jim | HllywdW: so have you made the checks mentioned in the message? what are the results? |
| 06:55.23 | tzafrir | How can I tell with netstat which process listens on a certain socket? |
| 06:55.23 | mardam-bey | how to change my window manager? |
| 06:55.51 | valdyn | tzafrir: netstat -p |
| 06:55.57 | tzafrir | ethics, maybe it's a bug of the menu method of gnome? feel like debugging it? |
| 06:56.09 | Teufel | Does anyone have a good link to get started with mySQL? I know absolutely nothing about it but I have worked with access some (/duck) so I'm not totally new to databases... |
| 06:56.14 | valdyn | tzafrir: or -lp |
| 06:56.20 | Guerin | tzafrir: you imply that gnome HAS a method |
| 06:56.25 | jm_ | Teufel: the docs on www.mysql.com |
| 06:56.48 | yoshio | tzafrir: ah, ok |
| 06:56.50 | jim | Teufel: then by ALL means, try postgresql instead... it's further ahead and far more robust |
| 06:57.28 | tzafrir | 'netstat -p |grep /var ' gives nothing here, but mysql seems to be running. Anything similar works elsewhere? |
| 06:57.53 | valdyn | tzafrir: it doesnt show the path |
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| 06:58.01 | valdyn | tzafrir: netstat -p | grep mysql |
| 06:58.09 | HllywdW | jim: sorry I don't understand |
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| 06:58.13 | Teufel | valdyn: I just got some errors when I tried to apt-get remove apache-common... "Unmet dependencies" I don't really understand what it all means.. |
| 06:58.28 | tzafrir | right, lp. netstat -lp |grep /var/lib/mysql |
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| 06:58.43 | AciD|Wrk | oi |
| 06:58.44 | tzafrir | right, lp. netstat -lp |grep /var/run/mysql |
| 06:58.46 | jim | HllywdW: the message you flooded had a pair of suggestions as to what to look for |
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| 06:59.15 | jim | HllywdW: sometimes it can save you some time to actually read the message :) |
| 06:59.27 | HllywdW | I don't even understand the message I pasted |
| 06:59.41 | HllywdW | that is why I am here asking what it means |
| 06:59.57 | jim | HllywdW: the part I'm talking about says... |
| 07:00.15 | valdyn | Teufel: i cant either w/o a complete error message |
| 07:00.26 | jim | "Please take a look at the syslog." and... |
| 07:00.34 | ttick | oh, wow, on a whim I just looked up the exact Hoz and Vert refresh of my monitor . . . omg what a difference in the quality of the image and fonts! |
| 07:00.51 | HllywdW | I read through the syslog and I don't understand it |
| 07:01.00 | jim | "Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!" |
| 07:01.03 | Teufel | valdyn: so you think it still uninstalls it ? |
| 07:01.35 | tzafrir | Which is, as every user can easily guess, /var/log/mysql/mysql.log , and not like in redhat or in suse or in mandrake |
| 07:01.46 | jim | HllywdW: were you at least aware of parts of the syslog that dealt with mysqld as opposed to with anything else? |
| 07:01.47 | valdyn | Teufel: umm, what i think doesnt matter, apt-get tells you what it does, if i dont see the error message then i don't speculate what it might do. |
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| 07:02.28 | HllywdW | well it doesn't exist |
| 07:02.39 | _root_ | anybody got the patch for cpio directory traversal vulnerability |
| 07:02.46 | HllywdW | I checked with netstat also and didn't see it on the list |
| 07:02.59 | jim | HllywdW: so the socket does not exist... that's a problem... |
| 07:03.02 | yoshio | HllywdW: what does ls -l /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock say? |
| 07:03.18 | yoshio | oops |
| 07:03.41 | HllywdW | ls: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock: No such file or directory |
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| 07:04.12 | jim | HllywdW: ok, howbout: ls -d /var/run/mysqld |
| 07:04.16 | nvz | looks like I am not the only one who has a hard time keeping track of my socks |
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| 07:04.46 | HllywdW | /var/run/mysqld# ls -d /var/run/mysqld |
| 07:04.47 | HllywdW | /var/run/mysqld |
| 07:04.59 | jim | ok, so the dir does exist |
| 07:05.09 | HllywdW | yes |
| 07:05.13 | jim | take a look in that dir, cd /var/run/mysqld |
| 07:05.16 | HllywdW | I am in that directory |
| 07:05.30 | jim | ok, if you do an ls | wc -l |
| 07:05.37 | jim | what number do you get |
| 07:05.55 | HllywdW | HllywdW:/var/run/mysqld# ls -al |
| 07:05.56 | HllywdW | total 8 |
| 07:05.56 | HllywdW | drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root 4096 2005-05-18 03:06 . |
| 07:05.56 | HllywdW | drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4096 2005-06-20 02:40 .. |
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| 07:05.58 | adapter | how can i set a user only to view his homedir ? |
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| 07:06.18 | Coke | When I try to tab-complete environment variables my BASH automatically esacpes $, this is really annoying, how can I turn it off? |
| 07:06.18 | jim | ls | wc -l |
| 07:06.21 | jim | :P |
| 07:06.22 | adapter | and also modify it |
| 07:06.23 | tzafrir | adapter, how does the user connect? |
| 07:06.23 | HllywdW | I don't know how to use this paster |
| 07:06.49 | adapter | tzafrir: i want the user to conect through ftp, but he might connect through ssh, and i don't want that |
| 07:06.52 | tzafrir | HllywdW, see the topic . /msg dpkg paster |
| 07:06.53 | ttick | hmm, anyone know how to find the name of the ArtWiz fonts from (xfonts-artwiz package) so I can put it in a fluxbox style configuration file? |
| 07:07.00 | valdyn | adapter: why would you do this? plenty user-things wont work if hes jailed in $HOME |
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| 07:07.14 | adapter | valdyn: just for ftp upload |
| 07:07.21 | tzafrir | adapter, most ftp servers support chrooted "guest" users. For ssh: see rssh |
| 07:07.25 | jm_ | ttick: does it add entries to /etc/X11/fonts? |
| 07:07.39 | valdyn | adapter: that's a config thing of your ftp server, i cant help you with that. |
| 07:07.53 | nvz | adapter: why not create a separate password database for ftp and disable the users account in /etc/shadow. thats what I do for my samba users |
| 07:08.10 | ttick | jm_: hmm, /etc/X11/fonts/misc/xfonts-artwiz.alias |
| 07:08.12 | Teufel | is there any way to halt off the ftp daemons running? Or find out what they are? |
| 07:08.21 | Guerin | Teufel: ps ax |
| 07:08.38 | valdyn | Teufel: /etc/init.d/<service> stop |
| 07:08.39 | Guerin | Teufel: of if it's plain ftpd, it'll run out of inetd |
| 07:08.47 | jm_ | ttick: well ... |
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| 07:08.56 | tzafrir | And now for my question: I'm trying to use apt as a user to generate package lists and such |
| 07:09.01 | ttick | jm_: is there a way to interpret these long lines into shorter names? |
| 07:09.08 | Teufel | valdyn: I know, I just can't figure out which one is ftp, there is no ftp in any of the names |
| 07:09.13 | adapter | #chroot_list_enable=YES |
| 07:09.13 | adapter | #chroot_list_file=/etc/vsftpd.chroot_list |
| 07:09.13 | adapter | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.23 | HllywdW | HllywdW:/var/run/mysqld# ls -al |
| 07:09.23 | HllywdW | total 8 |
| 07:09.23 | HllywdW | drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root 4096 2005-05-18 03:06 . |
| 07:09.23 | HllywdW | drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4096 2005-06-20 02:40 .. |
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| 07:09.30 | valdyn | Teufel: ps aux | grep ftp |
| 07:09.30 | nvz | tzafrir: where's the question? |
| 07:09.30 | ttick | jm_: anorexia -artwiz-anorexia-medium-r-normal--11-110-75-75-p-90-ISO8859-1, does this mean I refer to it as "anorexia" ? |
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| 07:09.46 | jm_ | ttick: the aliases serve exactly this purpose, so yes |
| 07:09.55 | ttick | jm_ ah, wonderful, thanks |
| 07:10.01 | jim | HllywdW: how many times do I need to say it?? ls | wc -l |
| 07:10.09 | jim | you will get ONLY ONE LINE |
| 07:10.18 | jim | that one line wil be ONLY A NUMBER |
| 07:10.32 | tzafrir | I use a simple wrapper: 'apt-get -o Dir=$PWD/Aptdir "$@"' |
| 07:10.32 | ttick | jm_: is there a way to get a list of all the fonts and examples of them in action? (so I know what I have installed and what it looks like) ? |
| 07:10.54 | jim | DO NOT PASTE A LISTING OF YOUR FILES. |
| 07:10.59 | HllywdW | 0 |
| 07:11.08 | tzafrir | I've created the subdirectory Aptdir and under it etc/apt/sources.list and all the required var/ directories |
| 07:11.23 | adapter | there is a specific sinopsis in order to add users to /etc/vsftpd.chroot_list ? |
| 07:11.25 | Teufel | valdyn: that gives me this line: root 1011 0.0 0.5 1540 464 pts/0 S+ 19:08 0:00 grep ftp |
| 07:11.27 | jim | 0?? |
| 07:11.34 | Teufel | valdyn: no idea what that means =/ |
| 07:11.51 | cahoot | ttick: tried xlsfonts? |
| 07:11.54 | ttick | jm_: and when I put it in the fluxbox file, how do I specify the font size? anorexia-10 for 10pt? |
| 07:12.01 | cahoot | ttick: err - xfontsel |
| 07:12.06 | nvz | Teufel: that means you have no ftp running |
| 07:12.10 | ttick | cahoot: nope, not yet, I'll try it. |
| 07:12.12 | valdyn | Teufel: it means that your only process running that contained 'ftp' was 'grep ftp', so there isn't an ftp server running |
| 07:12.17 | jim | ok, so there are no files in that dir |
| 07:12.20 | tzafrir | But I could not work around: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 07:12.43 | nvz | tzafrir: are you root? |
| 07:12.44 | yoshio | HllywdW: do you see any mysql messages in /var/log/daemon.log ? |
| 07:12.45 | jim | dpkg --purge mysql-server |
| 07:12.56 | jim | apt-get install mysql-server |
| 07:13.00 | tzafrir | nvz: I'm not. That's the whole point |
| 07:13.03 | Teufel | nvz, valdyn, but when I try to install my LAMP package, it says that I have a ftp daemon already running... <sigh> wtf |
| 07:13.16 | Guerin | Teufel: what lamp package is this? |
| 07:13.24 | HllywdW | yes I do |
| 07:13.33 | Teufel | guerin: XamPP |
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| 07:13.40 | Guerin | Teufel: is it in debian? |
| 07:13.51 | tzafrir | I'm trying to use apt just for resolving dependencies and such |
| 07:13.53 | ttick | cahoot: oh, very nice, xfontsel! Hmm, now, would you know how to specify the font size in a config file? Is it just the alias name then -10? anorexia-10? or is it somehow locked to a certain size? |
| 07:13.59 | Teufel | Guerin: yes |
| 07:13.59 | HllywdW | it says it can't find the socket for mysql |
| 07:14.10 | jim | it doesn't seem to be making one |
| 07:14.25 | jm_ | ttick: no, alias anorexia already defines the size |
| 07:14.26 | jim | it successfully made the dir |
| 07:14.26 | Guerin | Teufel: then it should conflict: with other ftpds, and you should file a bug against it if it doesn't. |
| 07:14.30 | HllywdW | so should I try to compile from source? |
| 07:14.36 | yoshio | HllywdW: paste the single line error message |
| 07:14.38 | ttick | jm_: okay. :( |
| 07:14.46 | Guerin | Teufel: dpkg -l |grep ftpd -- see what that says |
| 07:14.55 | nvz | tzafrir: how the hell do you resolve dependencies without making administrative changes to a system? what are you talking about? |
| 07:15.03 | HllywdW | Jun 20 02:40:14 localhost /etc/init.d/mysql[15170]: Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 07:15.04 | jim | well, you do have that choice... but if you do that, the entire thing would be off-topic here |
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| 07:15.29 | jm_ | ttick: so check for presence of some other aliases, or use XFT font spec if fluxbox supports it |
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| 07:15.32 | tzafrir | nvz, by working with an alternative packages database |
| 07:15.33 | HllywdW | I googled this |
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| 07:15.41 | HllywdW | but can't seem to find the answer this is why I am here |
| 07:15.42 | ryoohki | anyone using icewm? |
| 07:15.48 | Guerin | HllywdW: mysql is a client. mysqld is a server. You need to run the latter before the former is of any use. |
| 07:15.53 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 07:15.53 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:15.58 | Teufel | Guerin: gave me ii ftpd 0.17-13 FTP server |
| 07:16.04 | ttick | jm_: what is XFT font spec, and how do I determine if fluxbox supports it? |
| 07:16.10 | HllywdW | Guerin, I installed the mysql-client |
| 07:16.15 | HllywdW | first |
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| 07:16.21 | nvz | tzafrir: you've lost me, what the hell are you doing? why do you have an "alternative packages database" and why are you resolving dependencies? |
| 07:16.32 | ttick | jm_: sorry, kinda new to fonts on linux, I usually avoid them like crazy, bad experiences a long time ago with them :/ |
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| 07:16.40 | Teufel | Guerin:so to stop it do I just do a /etc/init.d/ftpd ? |
| 07:16.42 | tzafrir | don't use the default 'ftpd'. It's a kind of referenec implementation. It's not even the smallest. It's bad |
| 07:16.46 | Guerin | Teufel: as i saud earlier, plain ftpd is run out of inetd, and so won't show in ps. so remove it. But this xampp package is still broken, and if it really truly is a debian package, you need to file a bug against it. |
| 07:16.49 | Teufel | Guerin: err, add a stop after that |
| 07:16.56 | nvz | tzafrir: I am beyond thinking this has nothing what so ever to do with debian |
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| 07:16.58 | Guerin | Teufel: no, uninstall it entirely. |
| 07:17.08 | Guerin | Teufel: or at very least comment it in inetd |
| 07:17.13 | HllywdW | How did you guys get mysql to work on debian? |
| 07:17.15 | nvz | I am almost sure of it |
| 07:17.18 | Teufel | Guerin: uninstall ftpd ? |
| 07:17.23 | Guerin | Teufel: 1 |
| 07:17.37 | tzafrir | nvz, I'm trying to create a small apt source of "some debian packages and all of their dependencies". (Tried using debian-cd. Long story. Left me frustrated) |
| 07:17.43 | Guerin | HllywdW: no use without a mysqly to connect to |
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| 07:17.49 | jim | HllywdW: well I didn't... the mysql maintainer arranged for that for debian installation |
| 07:18.00 | Guerin | tzafrir: apt-cache and awk |
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| 07:18.10 | jm_ | ttick: xft:foo |
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| 07:18.18 | jim | HllywdW: but I use postgresql database primarily because I think it's better |
| 07:18.21 | tzafrir | Guerin, but this means I also see packages that are installed on my system |
| 07:18.24 | HllywdW | Ok, I'll remove and try again. |
| 07:18.30 | Guerin | HllywdW: apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client mysql-common |
| 07:18.30 | tzafrir | Which I want to avoid |
| 07:18.38 | jim | be sure to purge it first |
| 07:18.39 | yoshio | HllywdW: do you have the file /etc/mysql/my.cnf , about 3k big? you did type "/etc/init.d/mysql start", right? |
| 07:18.42 | Guerin | tzafrir: no. |
| 07:18.46 | Teufel | Guerin:I'm still really new to linux obviously, but is there a way to report a bug automatically? Or is it all just like write a short e-mail based? |
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| 07:19.02 | Guerin | !info xampp |
| 07:19.03 | ttick | jm_: so instead of "font: anorexia" "font: xft:anorexia" ? |
| 07:19.19 | nvz | tzafrir: this would be a _LOT_ easier if you just became root, cleaned the cache, apt-got all packages without unpacking them, then just apt-move, apt-zip..etc them to the location/media of your choice |
| 07:19.27 | Guerin | Teufel: <dpkg> Package 'xampp' does not exist. |
| 07:19.34 | Guerin | Teufel: start telling the truth any time now. |
| 07:19.38 | jim | I'm starting to think there's remnants of some other mysql install that's not a debian package on his machine which he'd have to clean up if he did that |
| 07:19.44 | tzafrir | nvz, but I don't want to step over the installed system. |
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| 07:19.56 | Teufel | Guerin:.... |
| 07:19.59 | Guerin | tzafrir: -s |
| 07:20.08 | Guerin | Teufel: what distro of debian are you using? |
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| 07:20.34 | nvz | tzafrir: apt-get -d, download only |
| 07:20.37 | Teufel | Guerin: Stable |
| 07:20.48 | Guerin | Teufel: sarge? |
| 07:20.54 | jm_ | ttick: no, first find out if fontconfig knows about this font |
| 07:21.03 | Teufel | Guerin: yeah |
| 07:21.04 | Guerin | !find xampp sarge |
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| 07:21.23 | libpcp | i would like to ask on how to enable timestamp in tethereal while sniffing on port 80? |
| 07:21.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xampp' (1): (/usr/share/doc/texmf/latex/textmerg/tmexampp.tex) in doc/tetex-doc. |
| 07:21.33 | nvz | tzafrir: automatically resolves dependencies. otherwise use apt-cache and wget in some kind of script with a stream editor *shrug* |
| 07:21.40 | tzafrir | nvz, tried that already. Guerin , but apt-cache will still consider the locally-installed packages in dependency resolving |
| 07:21.47 | ttick | jm_: hmm is that an application? (fontconfig)? How do I find this out? |
| 07:21.49 | Guerin | Teufel: not in debian, unless it's called something else. |
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| 07:22.02 | jm_ | ttick: fc-list |
| 07:22.08 | cmihai | Well, that firefox/thunderbird problem is easily fixed by selecting "Desktop Preferences", Theme -> Controls - Defauls (instead of Simple). It also keeps the nice simple apearence... |
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| 07:22.24 | empty | nvz, doesn't *that* sound fun |
| 07:22.30 | Teufel | Guerin: I guess I don't have any idea what you are talking about, what package are you referring to? |
| 07:22.32 | HllywdW | Guerin: whenever I try to install mysql-server like that it complains that it cannot find the socket |
| 07:22.44 | nvz | empty: I fail to see how its my problem :) |
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| 07:22.50 | HllywdW | so that order didn't make a difference. |
| 07:22.53 | Guerin | tzafrir: no, it won't. If you use apt-cache depends and apt-cache rdepends, it'll show absolutel dependencies. if you use a simple awk and for ; loop to recursively check the deps of each one, you'll get a list of packages which will work. |
| 07:22.54 | nomed^ | hi |
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| 07:23.05 | Guerin | Teufel: xampp |
| 07:23.10 | HllywdW | yoshio: yes it tried to start the server but the socket cannot be found |
| 07:23.11 | empty | nvz, It's not, not at all ;) |
| 07:23.13 | Guerin | Teufel: or whatever it is you're installing |
| 07:23.15 | ttick | jm_: okay fc-list doesn't show any xft:fontnames :/ |
| 07:23.17 | HllywdW | and yes I do have my.cnf |
| 07:23.31 | tzafrir | Guerin, But what I want is "get me all the packages I need so I will be able to install package foo". |
| 07:23.38 | Teufel | Guerin: ohh... it's an outside code, I'm not doing it with apt-get |
| 07:23.54 | Guerin | Teufel: ... as I asked before |
| 07:23.59 | jm_ | ttick: bah, fc-list|grep -i anore |
| 07:23.59 | Guerin | Teufel: then installing it is an incredibly stupid idea. |
| 07:24.05 | Teufel | Guerin: why? |
| 07:24.06 | tzafrir | Simply using depends and rdepends is not good enough |
| 07:24.08 | Guerin | Teufel: as you are now discovering |
| 07:24.10 | nomed^ | i'm trying to change the gtk default icons theme, but i can't . i'm not using gnome but ICEWM, and for some srange reason i can't run gnome-theme.manager. |
| 07:24.24 | ttick | jm_: hmm, doesn't show up :(. What does that mean? |
| 07:24.32 | tzafrir | Otherwise I'll have to re-implement apt-get/aptitude. And will probably get it wrong |
| 07:24.39 | Guerin | Teufel: because god only knows how this was all built, and what it'll fuck up on a debian box. |
| 07:24.45 | ttick | jm_: btw: I think I'm using defoma, if that means anything. |
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| 07:25.11 | nomed^ | i would just change the icons theme for apps like rox-filer .. using the user $HOME settings |
| 07:25.13 | Teufel | Guerin: why would it be worse on a debian box compared to say... a red hat box? |
| 07:25.23 | yoshio | HllywdW: /var/run/mysqld is not on a read-only partition, is it? |
| 07:25.29 | tzafrir | The installer (and I) use apt-get to install packages and resolve dependencies. This is why I want to use apt-get to resovlve dependencies |
| 07:25.39 | jm_ | ttick: you probably didn't tell fontocnfig to include bitmapped fonts in its list |
| 07:25.42 | empty | Teufel, different default locations for things, package collisions down the line, many other reasons |
| 07:25.47 | Guerin | Teufel: because debian has much stronger policy and package integration than red hat. Stable debian is STABLE for this reson - stable redhat is not. |
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| 07:26.05 | cahoot | ttick: you *could* look into one of the fluxbox styles files to see how it's done there |
| 07:26.30 | Guerin | Teufel: chances are, if it's not available as a .deb, it was built on or for a red hat system. But honestly, i bet there's nothing in it you couldn't do easier in debian proper. |
| 07:26.32 | tzafrir | (and for the record, I've already looked at the source of apt, and failed to find where it tries to lock that dpkg lock file. And I see no invocation of dpkg or such in strace) |
| 07:26.39 | ttick | jm_: okay, how do I do that. BTW: I'm putting "anorexia" in my configuration file, but it seems to be reverting to some default font instead. Though the font comes up in xfontsel |
| 07:26.41 | Teufel | Guerin: I guess it just seemed like a quick fix, I was tired of trying to fix all the stupid error messages when tryin to install php, where I could just download one thing and it worked beautifally |
| 07:27.02 | Guerin | Teufel: what was the problem trying to install php? it should work fine ootb |
| 07:27.04 | jm_ | ttick: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 07:27.13 | ttick | cahoot: yeah, in the file there it does: lucinda-10 as one of the fonts, which I replaced with anorexia. :/ |
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| 07:27.19 | ttick | jm_: okay I'll try that. |
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| 07:27.41 | Guerin | Teufel: as in: aptitude install --with-recommends apache php4 mysql vsftpd |
| 07:27.52 | Teufel | Guerin: kept getting stupid error messages... don' remember them now. It was some problem when I tried to ./configure it |
| 07:27.59 | Guerin | Teufel: gah! |
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| 07:28.09 | Guerin | Teufel: YOU DON'T NEED TO BUILD STUFF FROM SOURCE ON DEBIAN |
| 07:28.30 | ttick | jm_: hmm, Native or Autohinter. :/ Hate decisions where I have no idea which one I mostly use. I guess Native. :/ |
| 07:28.39 | Teufel | Guerin: the site I was reading for help was saying that it would be tons easier down the road to change configuration for php if I did it that way |
| 07:28.45 | jm_ | ttick: go with defaults, you can change it later |
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| 07:29.04 | jim | Teufel: so you tried to build it from source.. the stuff you built from source can't be supported either as part of debian or in support of something else in debian |
| 07:29.18 | ttick | jm_: do I need to restart X? |
| 07:29.19 | Guerin | Teufel: possibly true, on a red hat box, but absolutely, unquestionably false on a debian stable box. |
| 07:29.34 | jim | if you want to build from source, you DO have that choice (no matter what anyone tells you.) |
| 07:29.40 | Guerin | Teufel: debian sarge has over 15,000 prebuilt binary packages which are known and tested to work well together. It works. Really. |
| 07:29.44 | jim | but don't ask about it here |
| 07:29.47 | Guerin | :) |
| 07:30.10 | Teufel | Guerin: So what you are telling me is to ONLY go with debian stuff or stuff that is .deb |
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| 07:30.32 | jim | Teufel: YES. or NOT, and don't ask about it here. |
| 07:30.42 | ttick | jm_: okay, fc-list|grep -i anore now shows anorexia. but it's still not coming up for the fluxbox style. :/ |
| 07:30.46 | Guerin | Teufel: only go with stuff which is in debian stable, unless you absolutely need something which isn't in it. There isn't much. |
| 07:30.48 | Teufel | jim: ok ok... I just havn't heard about that before, like I said I am new |
| 07:31.01 | Guerin | Teufel: so, the above aptitude line should bring in what you need for LAMP |
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| 07:31.17 | jim | Teufel: look at what helpers would have to keep up with. they have a life. |
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| 07:31.28 | robin_sz | no they dont |
| 07:31.31 | yoshio | ttick: if you added fonts manually, did you type "xset fp rehash" |
| 07:31.34 | robin_sz | saddos ;) |
| 07:31.51 | jm_ | ttick: well that's the part you'll have to figure out yourself, perhaps check the examples as cahoot mentioned |
| 07:31.52 | jim | robin_sz: then you don't know me very well |
| 07:32.07 | Teufel | jim: lol ok |
| 07:32.15 | robin_sz | jim: correct I dont |
| 07:32.18 | Teufel | Guerin: thanks, I'll uninstall that other crap I guess then |
| 07:32.40 | Teufel | Guerin saves the day :-d |
| 07:32.45 | ttick | jm_: hmm, okay. *scratches head* Thanks for the help in getting me this far! |
| 07:32.46 | Guerin | Teufel: the whole point of debian's policy and package management is to make system administration easier. |
| 07:32.52 | jim | robin_sz: so your blanket statement which would cover me is actually incorrect for me |
| 07:33.00 | Guerin | not harder, like redhat does :) |
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| 07:33.05 | wired | what do I need to do to get the yamaha sound card in my laptop working? |
| 07:33.29 | ttick | jm_: ahhhh! I had to get fluxbox to "restart" for it to figure out there were new fonts! Woohoo! works now! |
| 07:33.31 | HllywdW | drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root 4096 2005-05-18 03:06 mysqld |
| 07:33.40 | Guerin | robin_sz: i have more life than I know what to do with... i also have a job which requires me to do minimal actual work :) |
| 07:33.40 | jm_ | ttick: well doh ;) |
| 07:33.47 | jim | Guerin: it doesn't always succeed in doing so, but it does try harder. |
| 07:34.13 | Guerin | jim: it DOES make system administration easier than redhat, in all cases I've encountered. |
| 07:34.14 | Teufel | Guerin: so the big difference between debian and other distros is support? |
| 07:34.17 | ttick | jm_: yeah, ya never know when aps are intelligent enought o figure these things out on their own, or if you gotta give them a little nudge :). |
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| 07:34.32 | Guerin | Teufel: no. Policy. |
| 07:34.40 | yoshio | !sound |
| 07:34.40 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 07:34.42 | jim | Teufel: no, community. |
| 07:34.51 | Teufel | .... |
| 07:35.06 | Guerin | no, other distros have strong communitites, too. No other distro has policy like debian has. |
| 07:35.10 | HllywdW | how do I know which version of debian I am using, I forgot |
| 07:35.17 | streuner | Teufel: any idea what you nick means in german? |
| 07:35.18 | Guerin | HllywdW: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:35.24 | Guerin | streuner: heh |
| 07:35.24 | HllywdW | thanks |
| 07:35.41 | streuner | Guerin: teufel=devil |
| 07:35.46 | Teufel | streuner: yes (6) |
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| 07:36.13 | Guerin | streuner: I know, i took german through highschool |
| 07:36.21 | streuner | oh |
| 07:36.28 | Guerin | (and got 46% in the exam, iirc :) |
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| 07:37.18 | HllywdW | I am running sarge |
| 07:37.27 | HllywdW | that is after woody, right? |
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| 07:37.30 | jim | HllywdW: how do you know that? |
| 07:37.46 | HllywdW | google Debian 3.1 |
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| 07:38.02 | HllywdW | cat /etc/debian_version = 3.1 |
| 07:38.06 | fatboy | hello |
| 07:38.13 | jim | ahh, good enough |
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| 07:39.12 | TiMiDo | hey how can i put waimea on my gdm? |
| 07:39.34 | HllywdW | apt-get update and upgrade automatically give me the latest debian version, right? |
| 07:39.34 | Teufel | Guerin: "aptitude install --with-recommends apache php4 mysql vsftpd" doesn't really do anything... |
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| 07:39.50 | jm_ | HllywdW: of course not |
| 07:39.59 | Guerin | dpkg, no, sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts> |
| 07:40.00 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 07:40.17 | jim | Teufel: why? |
| 07:40.41 | Teufel | jim: just lists a lot of options and says "this aptitude does not have super cow powers" |
| 07:40.50 | streuner | HllywdW: do you want debian for desktop system? |
| 07:41.11 | jim | hmm |
| 07:41.13 | yoshio | HllywdW: I have "APT::Default-Release "testing";" in my /etc/apt/apt.conf, and testing/unstable deb lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:41.34 | jim | it thinks you got the syntax wrong |
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| 07:41.54 | jim | leave out the --with-recommends |
| 07:41.55 | Teufel | jim: " as in: aptitude install --with-recommends apache php4 mysql vsftpd" right? |
| 07:42.00 | HllywdW | streuner: I am using it as a desktop system |
| 07:42.04 | Guerin | Teufel: mysql-server instead of mysql; my bad |
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| 07:42.09 | jim | or try this: |
| 07:42.13 | HllywdW | well more for workstation |
| 07:42.18 | Guerin | no, the syntax is right |
| 07:42.18 | streuner | HllywdW: ok, go with testing then |
| 07:42.23 | jm_ | no it isn't right |
| 07:42.24 | Guerin | Teufel: you also need to be root |
| 07:42.29 | jim | Teufel, first, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:42.42 | Guerin | jim: it fucking well IS right because I just copied and pasted it, and it works |
| 07:42.49 | Teufel | jim: 3.1 |
| 07:42.58 | Teufel | Guerin: am root |
| 07:43.04 | jim | Teufel: try apt-get install aptitude and see what happens |
| 07:43.17 | jm_ | Guerin: I suppose you were talking to me - the syntax is aptitude [<options>...] <action> |
| 07:43.26 | jim | Guerin: then why is it printing a usage message? |
| 07:43.32 | Guerin | jm_: ENOERROR |
| 07:43.46 | Teufel | jim: 0 0 0 for apt-get |
| 07:43.46 | HllywdW | yoshio: does that automatically upgrade your debian version? |
| 07:43.52 | Teufel | jim: up to date |
| 07:43.58 | Guerin | bah, WORKSFORME |
| 07:44.01 | jm_ | Guerin: that doesn't mean it will always work |
| 07:44.18 | jim | Teufel: ok, according to the usage message, the options go before the action' |
| 07:44.22 | Guerin | jm_: evidently. |
| 07:44.29 | jim | so put the --thing before install |
| 07:44.40 | Teufel | jim: just did the same command with mysql-server and it's installing stuff hehe |
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| 07:44.54 | BriajWrk | hi all |
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| 07:45.12 | Teufel | Guerin: omg... so it wont download files now though since we got rid of that other ftp server .... |
| 07:45.14 | yoshio | HllywdW: you would need to do "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" rather than "apt-get upgrade" |
| 07:45.14 | jim | Teufel: why mysql? it doesn't do multiuser or multitasking well |
| 07:45.24 | Guerin | Teufel: eh? |
| 07:45.29 | HllywdW | nice |
| 07:45.32 | Guerin | jim: he wants LAMP |
| 07:45.35 | HllywdW | thanks for the info |
| 07:45.44 | jm_ | we should give him GAMP instead |
| 07:45.52 | Guerin | jm_: heh |
| 07:45.54 | Teufel | jim: mysql really that bad? |
| 07:45.57 | jim | or wamp |
| 07:46.10 | Guerin | every roadtrip I go on these days I seem to end up in Gampo |
| 07:46.17 | jm_ | hehe |
| 07:46.26 | jim | well, decide for yourself... google for mysql gotchas (and also, btw, for postgresql gotchas) |
| 07:46.29 | Guerin | they have good crab there |
| 07:46.33 | Teufel | wtf is aptitude anyway? |
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| 07:46.48 | Guerin | Teufel: apt-get++ |
| 07:46.51 | empty | Teufel, I use it just fine with 21 boxes running a quick query every minute, I've also used it for 5+ years on a ticket tracking system with a web and email interface |
| 07:46.53 | jim | it's what you need when you apply for school :) |
| 07:46.59 | yoshio | Teufel: curses based package selection, replaces dselect |
| 07:47.49 | Teufel | empty: mysql? |
| 07:47.56 | HllywdW | I am using alsa and the sound coming out of my box isn't as good as when I was using RedHat, any ideas why? |
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| 07:48.10 | jim | empty: how often do you have to tweak your database by hand? |
| 07:48.13 | empty | Teufel, yes |
| 07:48.27 | empty | jim, Tweak in what way? I've got it well tuned now |
| 07:48.40 | bucky | mysql is good for a couple hundred users |
| 07:48.43 | HllywdW | Is there someone else here trying to get mysql to connect? |
| 07:48.44 | Guerin | HllywdW: no. |
| 07:48.52 | Teufel | Guerin: so the new installed proftpd is better than that old ftp thing eh? |
| 07:49.00 | empty | Teufel, oodles better |
| 07:49.01 | Coke | HllywdW: describe "isn't as good" |
| 07:49.13 | jim | remove duplicate inserts, fix integrity violations, etc |
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| 07:49.21 | HllywdW | Coke: the sound isn't as clear |
| 07:49.23 | Teufel | empty: why? |
| 07:49.27 | bucky | HllywdW, are you using alsa or oss ? |
| 07:49.30 | HllywdW | alsa |
| 07:49.39 | bucky | are you sure? |
| 07:49.42 | HllywdW | thought it was because oss sucked |
| 07:49.43 | empty | jim, Oh that. Let's see... Well, last time I messed up in replication I had to, that was ummm 2002 I think |
| 07:49.46 | HllywdW | but alsa is the same |
| 07:49.52 | bucky | oss does suck |
| 07:49.58 | HllywdW | and redhat fedora uses alsa |
| 07:49.59 | yoshio | Guerin: you go to Tibet? If not, where is Gampo? |
| 07:50.14 | empty | Teufel, more secure more advanced feature |
| 07:50.17 | HllywdW | which was ok when I was on fedora |
| 07:50.17 | bucky | debian expects you to know which one you're using |
| 07:50.25 | Guerin | Teufel: yeah... i mentioned vsftpd but pro is also decent |
| 07:50.25 | Coke | HllywdW: what do you mean "as clear"? do you hear static noise? lower bitrate? lower playback frequency? what? |
| 07:50.38 | Guerin | yoshio: Southeastern Korea, near Pohang and Gyeongju |
| 07:50.49 | jim | empty: how do you make sure that your data is stable? are there referential integrity checks? |
| 07:50.49 | HllywdW | I hear static |
| 07:50.51 | empty | Guerin, does vs support chroot? |
| 07:50.53 | Guerin | yoshio: innocuous fishing town |
| 07:50.57 | Guerin | empty: yes. |
| 07:51.06 | HllywdW | it sounds distorted |
| 07:51.07 | empty | jim, yes I call them customers and users |
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| 07:51.15 | Coke | HllywdW: is the master volume and pcm device volume maxed out? |
| 07:51.16 | HllywdW | when I'm playing mp3s on xmms |
| 07:51.27 | HllywdW | no |
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| 07:51.35 | Coke | HllywdW: static and distortion are two different things, which one is it or is it both? |
| 07:51.36 | jim | so your database application does not check for these violations |
| 07:51.37 | Guerin | HllywdW: try turning your pcm and master volume down to 70% or so |
| 07:51.55 | Guerin | Coke: gmta |
| 07:52.01 | Coke | HllywdW: gmta? |
| 07:52.05 | Guerin | !gmta |
| 07:52.07 | dpkg | i heard gmta is great minds think alike, or see gmafta |
| 07:52.07 | valdyn | Teufel: unless you found a way to ru4~ |
| 07:52.12 | empty | jim, it's request-tracker, and it does things (nearly) transaction-safe |
| 07:52.12 | newbie | !nfo make-kpkg |
| 07:52.19 | newbie | !info make-kpkg |
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| 07:52.24 | jim | nearly? |
| 07:52.25 | Teufel | So if you guys don't mind... what else is different between distros... like what are they known for? I know red hat is 'most popular and user friendly', debian is 'most supportive' ?, mandrake? |
| 07:52.39 | Coke | Guerin: then my mind must be small because it seems nobody ever thinks about stuff the way I do. :) |
| 07:52.41 | empty | As nearly as one can without using the actual transaction-safe tables |
| 07:52.41 | jim | debian is most stable |
| 07:52.52 | Guerin | Coke: hah |
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| 07:52.56 | Teufel | jim: I thought linux in general was stable... |
| 07:53.10 | MobyTurbo | Teufel: Red Hat is not the most user friendly, in reality as far as day to day administration goes, Debian is more friendly. |
| 07:53.14 | empty | Teufel, debian is a) stable b) not owned by a company |
| 07:53.18 | HllywdW | hey wait, I was wrong the PCM was maxed |
| 07:53.23 | HllywdW | I lowered it and that fixed it |
| 07:53.24 | jim | try running debian unstable for awhile... |
| 07:53.25 | c0al | What run-level should i use in /etc/inittab to use non-graphical login in Debian Sarge ?? |
| 07:53.31 | HllywdW | thanks coke |
| 07:53.33 | Coke | HllywdW: so there was no static, it was distortion |
| 07:53.33 | newbie | Teufel: SuSe is the most user-friendly |
| 07:53.35 | Guerin | Coke: any of 2-5 |
| 07:53.35 | jim | then see how weird things get |
| 07:53.36 | newbie | not redhat |
| 07:53.40 | Guerin | c0al: ^^^ |
| 07:53.43 | Coke | HllywdW: np. |
| 07:54.00 | MobyTurbo | jim: well, if you run Red Hat "rawhide" it is less stable than Debian unstable, its equivalent |
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| 07:54.06 | c0al | Guerin, any of 2 - 5? i'm using 3 and i still get the graphical login |
| 07:54.12 | bucky | c0al, remove your xdm or gdm |
| 07:54.15 | Coke | Guerin: after the first twenty noobs ask about sound being distorted it gets boring, though. :) |
| 07:54.23 | yoshio | c0al: run level 2 is the default in Debian, check /etc/rc2.d for symlinks to gdm/xdm/kdm |
| 07:54.25 | empty | Are you guys really arguing the stability of the unstable branches? |
| 07:54.25 | jim | s/rawhide//? |
| 07:54.26 | bucky | c0al, or disable it with update-rc.d |
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| 07:54.29 | Teufel | What would you guys say is the biggest problem with linux? With debian? |
| 07:54.31 | Guerin | c0al: all of 2-5 are the same in debian. Want one different, customise it yourself using init.d scripts |
| 07:54.43 | MobyTurbo | jim: rawhide is RH's development branch. |
| 07:54.46 | newbie | can someone please tell me how to install make-kpkg |
| 07:54.47 | Guerin | Teufel: idiots trying to replicate MS and Apple |
| 07:54.49 | c0al | ah, okay. thanks alot ;) |
| 07:55.05 | jim | newbie: kernel-package |
| 07:55.17 | newbie | it doesn't exist in apt0cache, but some guides about kernel compiling claim it does |
| 07:55.17 | jim | newbie: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:55.21 | Guerin | newbie: aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev bunzip2 |
| 07:55.31 | Teufel | And what would you all say is the best GUI? I'm using gnome right now but I hear there are some other very cool ones out there |
| 07:55.40 | Guerin | Teufel: evilwm! |
| 07:55.43 | empty | Teufel, With Linux, I'd say duplication of effort OR hardware vendors being asshats and forgetting they sell HARDWARE and not DRIVERS. |
| 07:55.45 | jim | !best |
| 07:55.46 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 07:56.17 | tzafrir | empty, ustable is much more stable than rawhide because many more people rely on it for their "production" systems. As simple as that. |
| 07:56.21 | newbie | thanks Guerin |
| 07:56.29 | cmihai | Teufel: you might want to give Enlightenment or XFCE a shot also. |
| 07:56.34 | HllywdW | I actually like Apple OS X |
| 07:56.37 | cmihai | FVWM is nice to try... |
| 07:56.38 | newbie | Teufel: yes best for what? if u looking for it to be more likw windows guie |
| 07:56.41 | newbie | go for KDE |
| 07:56.49 | tzafrir | try fvwm-themes |
| 07:56.51 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 07:56.52 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:56.52 | empty | tzafrir, sure, I'd agree with that, but the point of anyones "unstable" is that it is "unstable" |
| 07:56.58 | jim | kde is very large... fvwm is very small |
| 07:56.59 | HllywdW | I don't think KDE can compare to Tiger's look |
| 07:57.01 | Teufel | Guerin: and evilwm can be installed from deb sites? Or did you third party it? |
| 07:57.08 | Guerin | atm, i think ubuntu's unstable is the most brokwn |
| 07:57.11 | Guerin | no X for a start |
| 07:57.20 | jim | Damnit MobyTurbo! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:57.27 | Teufel | newbie: not more like windows, best looking I guess, cool ideas... ect... |
| 07:57.36 | MobyTurbo | jim: hey, don't blame me for the factoid |
| 07:57.39 | Guerin | Teufel: no, most everything you'll ever need is available in debain, with the exception of proprietary software. |
| 07:57.46 | HllywdW | there is no window manager that looks as good as OS X |
| 07:57.47 | empty | Teufel, I like gnome on good hardware, and fluxbox on striggling boxes |
| 07:57.54 | MobyTurbo | !debain |
| 07:57.54 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 07:58.01 | jim | annoying, isn't it? |
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| 07:58.11 | newbie | Teufel: then u gotta try them all out |
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| 07:58.13 | cmihai | Enlightenment 17 looks pretty damn good. |
| 07:58.15 | newbie | and find the one u like most |
| 07:58.23 | Teufel | newbie: not more like windows, best looking I guess, cool ideas... ect... |
| 07:58.26 | MobyTurbo | jim: not particularly annoying, it reminds me of STTOS |
| 07:58.28 | HllywdW | I don't like Gnome |
| 07:58.36 | Guerin | HllywdW: easy to make something look good when you get to make up your own protocol, and don't have to support much hardware, and get to enforce hardware accelleration. |
| 07:58.37 | newbie | this isn't chan to argue about tastes and smells :D |
| 07:58.51 | Teufel | Guerin: so I can install all these with an apt-get ? Would I have to uninstall GNOME then to use a different GUI or how does that work? |
| 07:58.52 | Guerin | cmihai: is it usable yet? |
| 07:58.57 | empty | I have to admit that the Apple fisheye icon thing is hot |
| 07:59.12 | MobyTurbo | Teufel: you can install most WMs side by side |
| 07:59.14 | Guerin | Teufel: no, you can install as many as you please and swap around to your heart's content |
| 07:59.14 | cmihai | Guerin: yes, it's usable. Still has a few problems, it's it usable. |
| 07:59.17 | empty | Teufel, install a new one and choose it from your login screen |
| 07:59.32 | cmihai | And it's damn good. |
| 07:59.40 | jim | MobyTurbo: tell ya what... I'll say MobyTurbo at random times of the day or night, and then you'll notice you've been talked to if (say) you were looking at another channel |
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| 07:59.45 | Teufel | I can choose it right from the GNOME login screen? |
| 07:59.57 | Guerin | cmihai: as someone who's only used e16 very very long ago for a matter of hours, is it going to hurt to try this one? |
| 08:00.02 | Guerin | Teufel: yes. |
| 08:00.06 | jim | then, when you find where you've been talked to, you'll see that it wasn't for you or applied to you after all... |
| 08:00.10 | MobyTurbo | jim: but this time you weren't looking at another channel. :P |
| 08:00.19 | jim | wasn't I? |
| 08:00.26 | empty | teufel The X login screen, not the Gnome login screen |
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| 08:00.39 | Guerin | empty: technically, it is the GNOME display manager :) |
| 08:00.40 | cmihai | Guerin: hell now, give it a shot. |
| 08:00.41 | Teufel | Guerin: wow, cool... I'm starting to like the idea of all this better than how much windows limits you.... but I guess that is the whole idea |
| 08:00.45 | HllywdW | You know how Apple is going Intel, does this mean it will be available for people to build thier own apple boxes? If this is the case, Apple will turn into another MS Windows. |
| 08:00.48 | Guerin | cmihai: i shall. Tally ho! |
| 08:00.49 | jim | that is simultaneously unprovable and irrelevent |
| 08:01.03 | empty | Guerin, well yeah but that matters not to us anal extremists |
| 08:01.10 | bucky | Apple sucks.. we all knew this |
| 08:01.17 | Guerin | HllywdW: you'll never be able to build your own mac; the firmware is proprietary and not for separate sale. |
| 08:01.35 | empty | Teufel, Linux folks believe in free. Free as in beer, and free as in speech. |
| 08:01.52 | Teufel | tee hee |
| 08:01.58 | Guerin | mmmm |
| 08:01.59 | Guerin | beer |
| 08:02.17 | HllywdW | I must say Apple is smart in it's marketing and people actually will spend the unnecessary dough for it. |
| 08:02.28 | Teufel | Bah, with this new FTP though, i can't connect to linux from my windows box with an ftp client anymore :'( |
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| 08:02.33 | MobyTurbo | actually "unencumbered" is more accurate than "free" |
| 08:02.38 | Teufel | I'm sure there is a way to fix it though.... |
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| 08:03.08 | Guerin | Teufel: you need to set it up, most likely |
| 08:03.09 | empty | MobyTurbo, just got out of a bad relationship? O_o |
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| 08:03.15 | newbie | empty: what u said about linux folks isn't true about most ppl |
| 08:03.28 | Guerin | newbie: oh yeah? |
| 08:03.28 | Teufel | Guerin: I bet you can't guess my next question then... |
| 08:03.30 | empty | newbie, Oh? |
| 08:03.34 | newbie | ask most ppl here for help with installing cracked software on linux :P |
| 08:03.37 | newbie | see what they do |
| 08:03.38 | MobyTurbo | empty: I'm refering to software. |
| 08:03.49 | empty | newbie, free != stolen |
| 08:03.57 | newbie | they are worse the the windows helpers |
| 08:03.57 | Guerin | Teufel: aptitude install proftp-doc :) |
| 08:04.02 | empty | MobyTurbo, I was kidding ;) |
| 08:04.04 | Teufel | Guerin: Ty |
| 08:04.17 | MobyTurbo | empty: SDNWOTN |
| 08:04.19 | HllywdW | I like how there's always an alternative to commercial software |
| 08:04.20 | newbie | empty: free=free for me :P |
| 08:04.32 | newbie | and I dont call it stolen |
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| 08:04.46 | newbie | !stolen |
| 08:04.55 | newbie | !stealing |
| 08:04.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stealing is wrong |
| 08:04.56 | Teufel | Guerin: oh yeah, and when I did the aptitude install thing for the LAMP, it keeps not getting 5 packages... with this error: "Err http://ftp.us.debian.org..... Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org'" |
| 08:04.56 | HllywdW | free to me is: running programs without paying $ and doing it legally. |
| 08:05.05 | Teufel | Guerin: might it work when I set up ft? |
| 08:05.25 | concept10 | Does anyone use Enigmail with Thunderbird? |
| 08:05.27 | newbie | well stealing is when u use cracked version isntead of buy legal version |
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| 08:05.36 | empty | newbie, Of course not, thieves have a morally crooked thesaurus by nature... Someone owns it, wants you to pay for it, you don't. That isn't theft how? |
| 08:05.36 | HllywdW | plus I'm in an environment made for coders. |
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| 08:05.40 | newbie | but what if u DONT have the money to buy it anyway? is that stealing? |
| 08:05.53 | MobyTurbo | newbie: don't make me !u you again, jim doesn't like that. ;-) |
| 08:06.07 | HllywdW | Even though I was trained to code in a Microsoft Environment. |
| 08:06.15 | empty | newbie, Are you going to launch into some "Damn tyrannical software companies want money for their work" and "I have a right to whatever I want" adolescent tirade? |
| 08:06.35 | caphuso | no, he's not |
| 08:06.40 | newbie | nope.. I am talking about something else |
| 08:06.47 | empty | newbie, let's play moral relativism some other time eh? |
| 08:06.50 | HllywdW | I am just sick of all the BS with worms and virus attacks. |
| 08:06.59 | newbie | hehe.. whatever |
| 08:07.10 | HllywdW | that is why I chose linux. |
| 08:07.12 | Guerin | Teufel: it means you're unable to look something's dns up |
| 08:07.16 | Guerin | err, name |
| 08:07.29 | exobyte | I have a kernel named linux-2.4.17_mvl21. Ideas on what mvl21 is? |
| 08:07.39 | empty | HllywdW, worms etc are the product of fundamentally insecure systems and wide distribution |
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| 08:08.15 | empty | exobyte, have it where? maybe a locally generated kernel for some host named that? |
| 08:08.20 | Teufel | Guerin: just gave me "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched proftp-doc" |
| 08:08.54 | empty | Teufel, proftpd-doc |
| 08:09.02 | HllywdW | empty: do you think apple will ever be hit as hard as Microsoft Windows with all these insecurities? |
| 08:09.17 | Guerin | !find proftpd-doc sarge |
| 08:09.20 | exobyte | empty: it's from some gpled code netgear had to release, but google-ing it yeilded a variety of stuff |
| 08:09.22 | dpkg | proftpd-doc: (Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon (Documentation)), section doc, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-15 (sarge), Packaged size: 412 kB, Installed size: 1371 kB |
| 08:09.25 | empty | Teufel, d at the end typically means "daemon", IE something that runs continuously waiting for input |
| 08:09.33 | Guerin | Teufel: it's there, alright. |
| 08:09.40 | empty | exobyte, Oh, no help then |
| 08:09.50 | MobyTurbo | HllywdW: Apple has already had a security hole that they didn't fix in a timely manner. On the whole though they probably will remain more secure than Windows |
| 08:10.09 | empty | HllywdW, Now that they run something strongly user-privilege oriented? Not as likely |
| 08:10.13 | Guerin | Teufel: if you really are running sarge, that is. Otherwise it's bound to be available on teh intarwebs. You might want to add another dns server to /etc/resolv.conf to fix those resolution problems |
| 08:10.18 | Teufel | Guerin: ok, just did that, and it gives me another temporary failure resolving .... |
| 08:10.31 | HllywdW | true |
| 08:10.37 | exobyte | empty: heh.. montavista linux |
| 08:10.46 | Teufel | Guerin: I bet you can't guess my next question then... |
| 08:10.48 | empty | Guerin, he was omitting the d from proftpD-doc |
| 08:10.49 | HllywdW | It is BSD |
| 08:10.58 | Guerin | empty: ohhh |
| 08:11.07 | Teufel | empty: found a package with the 'd' but didn't download, still has error |
| 08:11.50 | empty | Teufel, Oh an error, I bet that's... what error? |
| 08:12.09 | Guerin | Teufel: as root, echo -e "nameserver 168.126.63.1\nnameserver 206.123.107.15" >> /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:12.18 | rorot | is there any way to backup my project source per hour except using cron job ? or can I use CVS here ? |
| 08:12.40 | Guerin | rorot: why not use cron? |
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| 08:13.19 | Teufel | Guerin: done... |
| 08:13.52 | Teufel | empty: just says err http://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main .... temporary failure resolving ftp.us.debian.org" |
| 08:14.07 | Guerin | Teufel: i bet it doesn't now |
| 08:14.15 | empty | Teufel, that's nameserver issues then |
| 08:14.34 | silverton | what trigger do I need to see what a package depends on with dpkg? |
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| 08:14.43 | bucky | Teufel, what part of the world are you in? |
| 08:14.44 | Teufel | Guerin: just gave me the exact same error =P |
| 08:14.50 | HllywdW | when is kde 3.4 going to be available for Debian, anyone know? |
| 08:14.52 | Teufel | bucky: colorado |
| 08:14.58 | Guerin | Teufel: change to ftp.ca.d.o |
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| 08:15.15 | Teufel | Guerin: in resolv.conf? |
| 08:15.21 | bucky | ftp.us.debian.org sucks |
| 08:15.25 | Guerin | HllywdW: it's already packaged on alioth, but probably horribly broken |
| 08:15.30 | bucky | get a better repos |
| 08:15.32 | streuner | HllywdW: its in experimental, should be soon in sid ... |
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| 08:15.36 | Guerin | Teufel: run apt-setup again |
| 08:15.40 | HllywdW | ok |
| 08:15.41 | HllywdW | thanks |
| 08:15.49 | Guerin | oh, it's in experimental? |
| 08:16.00 | streuner | !info konqueror experimental |
| 08:16.01 | dpkg | konqueror: (KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.1-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 2008 kB, Installed size: 5088 kB |
| 08:16.14 | empty | Guerin, in the interest of marital bliss I highly advise against that |
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| 08:16.15 | Teufel | Guerin: http or ftp? |
| 08:16.17 | HllywdW | anyone know how to create an image of thier current setup? |
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| 08:16.44 | HllywdW | I like the way my system is setup, and I would like to have it on cd. |
| 08:16.46 | Guerin | empty: haha |
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| 08:16.54 | HllywdW | but I have no idea how to look that up on google |
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| 08:17.05 | empty | HllywdW, Like configs etc? If you have a ton of unused HD space you can just tar up your / somewhere |
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| 08:17.23 | Guerin | Teufel: widhe |
| 08:17.40 | xsquared | g'day, i am a gateway on a network. Some users have been downloading too much data from the internet and i'd like to restrict them access after a X number of megabytes have been received. what is the best way to do this? |
| 08:17.54 | Teufel | Guerin: so which debian mirror should I choose when i do apt-setup? |
| 08:18.14 | HllywdW | I just want a dvd image of everything so that I can just install in case something bad were to happen to my machine. |
| 08:19.05 | empty | HllywdW, cp -a everything you change as root (/etc etc.) to some dir in your homedir, backup your homedir |
| 08:19.52 | silverton | what dpkg option shows what a files dependencies are? |
| 08:20.10 | HllywdW | but will I have to still apt-get install all my apps again? |
| 08:20.15 | empty | silverton, a file or a packages deps? |
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| 08:20.28 | silverton | empty, package deps |
| 08:20.41 | empty | silverton, apt-cache show package will show you package deps (but not recursively!) |
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| 08:21.38 | Teufel | what does the command ps do? |
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| 08:22.25 | xsquared | Teufel: see running processes |
| 08:22.29 | TiMiDo | lists all the proccesses running |
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| 08:22.42 | robin_sz | see spot run! |
| 08:22.44 | silverton | thanks empty, it did what I needed it to do :) |
| 08:22.46 | Teufel | xsquared: is there another command that does it? |
| 08:22.54 | TiMiDo | ps auxw |
| 08:22.56 | Teufel | dpkg ? |
| 08:22.58 | TiMiDo | mutt |
| 08:23.00 | xsquared | lol |
| 08:23.04 | TiMiDo | grrrrrrrrr top |
| 08:23.17 | xsquared | Teufel: ps -e |
| 08:23.33 | newbie | can anyone help me out with KDE problem? When I maximize my window, sometimes by mistake I can drag the window border and therefore resize it |
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| 08:23.41 | newbie | it shouldnt do that when maximized |
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| 08:23.50 | newbie | how to make KDE 'lock' maximized window? |
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| 08:24.15 | mikaEL` | how can I patch a 2.6.8-2 kernel to a 2.6.8.12 ?? |
| 08:24.37 | TiMiDo | mikaEL`, apt-cache search kernel-image and you will see the patches that they have |
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| 08:25.13 | robin_sz | is 2.6.12 even out yet for debian? |
| 08:25.28 | robin_sz | oh, 2.6.8.* .. I'll shut up |
| 08:26.04 | drac | There is no 2.6.8.* kernels in Debian. |
| 08:26.27 | mikaEL` | sorry .. 2.6.12 :D |
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| 08:26.53 | empty | silverton, NP, now I have to run to an ATM b/c the cybercafe won't let my card get run twice, fucking joyful bit of retardedness there |
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| 08:27.17 | silverton | empty, yeah it is, good luck ;P |
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| 08:28.03 | crappledev | where is empty, location wise (US, UK..) |
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| 08:28.21 | spdf | newbie, Thats not a problem, its a feature ;) |
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| 08:29.17 | TiMiDo | how do you put waimea or fluxbox on gdm to load on the menus? |
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| 08:31.27 | tzafrir | to answer my question about apt from earlier: add -o Dir::State::status=$PWD/Aptdir/var/lib/dpkg/status to the command-line. Unlike all others, it is defined with full path. Thus overriding '/' does not override it. |
| 08:31.37 | tzafrir | I wonder if that won't bite others. |
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| 08:32.35 | drac | How long 'oldstable' will have security updates? Or have they stopped allready? |
| 08:32.40 | tzafrir | robin_sz, unstable has 2.6.11, if you really want. |
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| 08:35.32 | sep | Drac atlest a year after release |
| 08:36.11 | empty | US |
| 08:36.23 | empty | Phoenix, AZ to be a bit more precise |
| 08:36.25 | sep | so i have to start thinking about migrating to sarge soon |
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| 08:38.33 | nuix | hello, who can send me a gmail invitation. I want a account of gmail. |
| 08:38.41 | nuix | hello, who can send me a gmail invitation. I want a account of gmail. |
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| 08:39.04 | nuix | hello, who can send me a gmail invitation. I want a account of gmail. |
| 08:39.05 | PolarWolf | nuix: Find friends |
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| 08:39.39 | PolarWolf | nuix: Since you can't stop repeating yourself, being annoying, I won't send you one. |
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| 08:39.47 | PolarWolf | Not to mention that I forgot my gmail password |
| 08:39.47 | nuix | PolarWolf, I have no friends who have gmail ;( |
| 08:39.58 | nuix | PolarWolf, :( |
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| 08:40.08 | crappledev | empty: ok, just wanted to make sure i wasn't the only person in the US still up in irc |
| 08:40.11 | newbie | spdf: then, I should ask how to disable this 'feature' :) |
| 08:40.18 | empty | crappledev, LOL |
| 08:40.34 | empty | crappledev, You mean *this* channel or IRC in general? ;) |
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| 08:40.47 | crappledev | empty, this channel |
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| 08:41.23 | crappledev | i often think i am surrounded by peers but it turns out they're in the UK or some other country where the time is appropriate |
| 08:41.48 | PolarWolf | crappledev: It's a bit early for the US, innit? |
| 08:41.53 | ludorama | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.03 | cray3 | PolarWolf: do u wanna new gmail a/c? |
| 08:42.18 | PolarWolf | crappledev: So unless you happen to run into a sleepless geek on a night shift, you'll have to make do with us euro trash |
| 08:42.34 | PolarWolf | cray3: Naw, there's a reason why I forgot that password...never used it |
| 08:42.49 | wired | crappledev, i'm still up |
| 08:42.53 | wired | i |
| 08:42.58 | newbie | spdf: u there? |
| 08:43.33 | _joey | Asus A8N-SLI-DELUXE and DFI LanParty nF4 SLi-DR which one out of these two should I chose for my new system ? |
| 08:43.42 | wired | is it too much to ask for xine to play a dvd on my laptop.... |
| 08:43.47 | c0al | Any one know how to set the X server to let me run programs from an xterm when i 'su' to root? i get the error cannot connect to :0.0 (the X server is running on 0.0) |
| 08:44.23 | PolarWolf | c0al: xhost +localhost usually does it |
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| 08:44.27 | sep | !sux |
| 08:44.27 | dpkg | sux is probably su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
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| 08:44.45 | tzafrir | c0al, apt-get install sux |
| 08:44.48 | c0al | PolarWolf, thanks |
| 08:45.19 | Morpheus8 | c0al, apart from sux, good ol' sudo works too |
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| 08:46.58 | c0al | How do you find the "Scsi ID" for a device file? its an IDE cd-rw emulated scsi |
| 08:47.54 | netman1 | How can I find out which 'ethx' corresponds to which device in '/dev' to which module with 'lsmod'? |
| 08:49.28 | Morpheus8 | c0al, cdrecord -scanbus |
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| 08:49.51 | jm_ | netman1: there are no /dev/eth* device files |
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| 08:50.03 | c0al | Morpheus8, it doesn't show up with that command. but somehow- gnomebaker finds the CDRW drive just fine |
| 08:50.25 | netman1 | jm_: That's what I found out too. But I assume there must be one... |
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| 08:50.53 | jm_ | netman1: there isn't |
| 08:51.18 | panjiam | does Debian provide a convenient X configuration tool? what is it? |
| 08:51.25 | netman1 | jm_: What happened to 'Everthing is a file in *nix' ? ;-) |
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| 08:52.05 | bucky | !dpkg tell panjiam about drxx |
| 08:52.13 | nothingmuch | sshd is closing down for no appearant reason, sshd -d is not very insightful |
| 08:52.19 | tzafrir | c0al, kernel 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 08:52.22 | nothingmuch | does anybody know if there are pam quirks? |
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| 08:53.06 | c0al | tzafrir, never mind. i just realized gnomebaker works fine. it just wasn't showing any output |
| 08:53.13 | jm_ | netman1: that's one of the exceptions |
| 08:53.14 | c0al | tzafrir, thanks though ;) |
| 08:53.47 | nothingmuch | oh, libgcc was required |
| 08:53.48 | nothingmuch | odd |
| 08:54.12 | ttick | can anyone recommend a good filebrowser program for fluxbox for people with commandline phobias (like a wife who is being subjected to linux on a very old PII laptop)? |
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| 08:54.38 | beardy | nothingmuch: What do you mean by quirks? |
| 08:54.47 | c0al | ttick, the rox file manager |
| 08:54.48 | jimi | hey guys, how can i tell which kernel architecture i am using? |
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| 08:54.51 | nothingmuch | beardy: misconfigurations, bad shipping, or whatever |
| 08:54.54 | netman1 | jm_: So is there anyway to find the corresponding kernel module with a specific ethx without using the mac address? |
| 08:54.55 | spdf | ttick, midnight comander isn't too bad.. |
| 08:55.08 | beardy | jimi: uname, read the manual |
| 08:55.09 | netman1 | jimi: uname -a |
| 08:55.11 | bucky | jimi, uname -r |
| 08:55.32 | ttick | something that's idiotproof would be nice, something that notices autofs mounted USB drives is also a huge plus. |
| 08:55.33 | jimi | beardy, netman1, bucky - thank you |
| 08:55.36 | bucky | jimi, cat /proc/cpu/info |
| 08:55.41 | bucky | jimi, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:55.45 | jm_ | netman1: logs, or use nameif/ifrename |
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| 08:56.03 | nothingmuch | ttick: google for something with FAM support |
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| 08:56.15 | netman1 | jm_: Didn't know them. Thanks. |
| 08:56.16 | jimi | bucky: athlon is 686 right? |
| 08:56.21 | ttick | nothingmuch: FAM stands for? |
| 08:56.23 | c0al | ttick, i'm not sure if rox-filer does that or not.. the only file manager i know that does that is nautilus in gnome and KDE's file browser. but rox-filer is a very nice file manager with low requirements |
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| 08:56.32 | bucky | jim, athlon is k7 |
| 08:56.37 | wavefarer | Hi! I'm wondering if there's a way to get a list out of what packages I have installed, and what apt-source it uses? |
| 08:56.46 | empty | ttick, File Alteration Monitor |
| 08:56.51 | netman1 | wavefare: dpkg -get-selections |
| 08:56.56 | empty | ttick, watches key configs and applies changes |
| 08:57.13 | ttick | okay, thanks guys, sounds like you've given me a few leads. |
| 08:57.18 | jimi | bucky: so im using the wrong (2.6.8-2-686) kernel then? |
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| 08:57.43 | bucky | athlons don't like the 686 |
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| 08:58.17 | jimi | really? ahhh crap. can i change kernel with apt? |
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| 08:58.41 | bucky | sure |
| 08:58.50 | beardy | jimi: There should be a 2.6.*-k7 package, use that instead. |
| 08:58.58 | empty | jimi apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 08:59.46 | wavefarer | netman1: thanks, but it seems that it doesn't show from what apt-srouce it uses. I'm trying to cleans my new stable from dotdeb-packages you see |
| 09:00.21 | netman1 | wavefarer: Sorry, can't help you with that. |
| 09:00.50 | wavefarer | netman1: well this helps me anyway, i'll do an awk-script that "shows" the packages for the info i'm after |
| 09:01.20 | jimi | i guess "kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7" is the one to go for, just gotta wait for dvdshrink to encode this dvd... |
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| 09:01.46 | JimMozzo04 | wols: good morning |
| 09:01.47 | jm_ | wavefarer: apt-cache policy <pkgname> |
| 09:01.55 | wired | what does "xine: Cannot find input pluggin for MRL [dvd:/]" mean, obviously I am trying to get a dvd to play |
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| 09:02.14 | PolarWolf | wired: Just that, I assume. |
| 09:02.22 | wavefarer | jm_: that would show the priority of what package to use from the apt-sources |
| 09:02.39 | PolarWolf | That's the nice thing about error messages in linux software...they usually tell you what's wrong |
| 09:03.08 | jm_ | wavefarer: it shows the source too |
| 09:04.11 | crappledev | Gambas tries to start up but then just closes leaving behind no message :( |
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| 09:04.40 | bucky | wired you don't have the codec |
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| 09:06.15 | wavefarer | jm_: dpkg --get-selections | `awk {'print "apt-cache policy " $1'}` | less \n <- :) |
| 09:06.21 | mmm | halo all |
| 09:07.09 | ttick | okay, kinda disappointing: just installed xmms. Upon running it I get: libesd.so.0 libmikmod.so.2 and libvorbis.so.0 "cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" Did I miss some dependency? |
| 09:07.50 | beardy | ttick: How did you install xmms? |
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| 09:07.59 | ttick | beardy: apt-get install xmms |
| 09:07.59 | _joey | is there a channel for debian on amd64 ? |
| 09:08.04 | beardy | ttick: Install the libs it want. |
| 09:08.14 | _joey | apt-get install pussy |
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| 09:08.20 | bucky | ttick, which version of debian are you using? |
| 09:08.25 | ttick | bucky: testing |
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| 09:08.44 | cmihai | The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.8-2) does not match your running |
| 09:08.44 | cmihai | kernel (version 2.6.8-2-k7). Even if the module were to compile successfully, |
| 09:08.44 | cmihai | it would not load into the running kernel. |
| 09:09.02 | cmihai | This means I need 2.6.8.2-k7 kernel headers that aren't on the first DVD, right... ?! |
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| 09:09.29 | bucky | cmihai, what are you compiling |
| 09:09.30 | beardy | cmihai: Probably yes. |
| 09:09.33 | ttick | beardy: okay, how do I know which packages contain those libraries? |
| 09:09.41 | zoka | hi everyone |
| 09:09.56 | zoka | does anyone know where could i find help on lilo issues |
| 09:10.11 | zoka | im not a developer im just a user |
| 09:10.16 | PolarWolf | zoka: the manual would be a good first stop, I'd say |
| 09:10.18 | bucky | just ass your question |
| 09:10.22 | beardy | zoka: Ask your question. |
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| 09:10.58 | zoka | i have winxp on hda1, ntfs partition on hda2, root ext3 on hda5 and swap on hda6, and lilo in the mbr, when i boot linux it all works fine but when i boot windows lilo hides hda2 and i cant access the other ntfs partition |
| 09:10.58 | zoka | <zoran> how do i make windows see the other ntfs |
| 09:11.12 | beardy | ttick: Search for them. They are probably called like xmms said, libmikmod+something, libesd+something and so on. |
| 09:11.43 | ttick | beardy: okay, with apt-cache search? Or something else? |
| 09:12.03 | bucky | zoka, you cant access the other ntfs partition from linux? |
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| 09:12.21 | gin_ | morning's |
| 09:12.23 | zoka | no i cant access it from winows, i can mount anything in linux |
| 09:12.26 | cmihai | Well, all the 2.4 heards seam to be on disk so. Same for 2.6.8 386... grrr... oh well. |
| 09:12.29 | zoka | its hidden |
| 09:12.33 | gin_ | what is the group to hdd's ? |
| 09:12.42 | JimMozzo04 | hi sir, on debian sarge after run apt-get update apt-get upgrade, the system didn't boot. LILO stops on LI. I start my system with a cd and mount the filesystem. Now I need to modify /etc/lilo.conf and run lilo. To do this I need chroot /mnt/hda1 /sbin/lilo, but this return an error: fatal: filesystem would be destroyed by LIKLO boot sector /dev/hda1 |
| 09:12.50 | bucky | that's a windows problem.. not lilo |
| 09:13.11 | beardy | ttick: Yes. and /msg dpkg search |
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| 09:13.20 | zoka | bucky: it worked fine until the instalation of lilo into the mbt |
| 09:13.23 | zoka | mbr |
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| 09:13.29 | ttick | beardy: okay thanks |
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| 09:13.34 | gin_ | what is the group for hdd's ? |
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| 09:14.12 | bucky | zoka, i never had that happen :( |
| 09:14.20 | tarzeau | gin_: disk |
| 09:14.21 | gin_ | somebody can tell me that ? |
| 09:14.28 | gin_ | tarzeau ty |
| 09:14.59 | Guerin_ | gin_: DO NOT add ANY user to 'disk' |
| 09:15.00 | zoka | bucky: i know what it could be i just need help to set up lilo or some documents on how to set it up |
| 09:15.09 | Guerin_ | gin_: it's an EXTREMELY BAD IDEA |
| 09:15.21 | gin_ | Guerin_, why ? |
| 09:15.31 | bucky | zoka, which version of debian are you using? |
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| 09:15.35 | gin_ | cat /etc/group |
| 09:15.39 | zoka | its ubuntu |
| 09:15.48 | tarzeau | zoka: that's not debian |
| 09:15.50 | gin_ | it is exist |
| 09:15.56 | bucky | zoka, i can't help you.. debian uses grub |
| 09:15.59 | gin_ | but why, bad idea Guerin_ ? |
| 09:16.16 | zoka | well if it were grub there probably wouldnt be any problems :( |
| 09:16.39 | bucky | zoka, have you asked in #ubuntu |
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| 09:16.49 | Guerin_ | gin_: because it'll give that user direct write access to the device, unprotected by unix permissions or anything else |
| 09:17.02 | crappledev | must be that damn rock i've been under but i just heard of ubuntu about a week ago |
| 09:17.03 | zoka | bucky: no but i will do it ;) |
| 09:17.04 | zoka | thanx |
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| 09:17.18 | beardy | crappledev: Good for you. |
| 09:17.28 | Guerin_ | gin_: cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda # you're fucked, mate |
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| 09:18.05 | tarzeau | gin_: better use sudo |
| 09:18.09 | crappledev | beardy: am i missing out? |
| 09:18.11 | tarzeau | gin_: see www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/sudoers |
| 09:18.15 | liable | JimMozzo04: did you chroot first, then run lilo or what? |
| 09:18.30 | gin_ | Guerin_, right, so how, i have add to /etc/fstab manually and i haven't permission to the hdax partition.. |
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| 09:18.35 | gin_ | coz im not root |
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| 09:18.50 | gin_ | tarzeau, gtk program ? |
| 09:19.02 | beardy | crappledev: This is #debian, the answer you get is no. (try it if you like, but do not ask for help in here) |
| 09:19.03 | tarzeau | gin_: no, i hate gtk |
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| 09:19.14 | gin_ | tarzeau right.. |
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| 09:19.19 | beardy | crappledev: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 09:19.24 | tarzeau | and i didn't say gudo or gudoers |
| 09:19.31 | tarzeau | crappledev: /msg dpkg debian based |
| 09:19.35 | gin_ | tarzeau, i'll search by apt |
| 09:19.36 | tarzeau | beardy: ubunto does work too |
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| 09:20.19 | giupy_ | i want to use alsa, alsaconf says me that all is ok, uùi use a precompiled kernel, but when i try launch xmms,properly configured, or mplayer i don0t have sound and vol is at max.... |
| 09:20.19 | giupy_ | wich can be the reason? |
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| 09:20.31 | bucky | JimMozzo04, did you edit lilo.conf to have boot=/dev/hda |
| 09:20.32 | Guerin_ | gin_: be root |
| 09:20.39 | JimMozzo04 | liable: I run chroot first |
| 09:20.58 | JimMozzo04 | bucky: in lilo.conf is correct boot=/dev/hda or /dev/hda1 ? |
| 09:21.20 | beardy | tarzeau: It does. |
| 09:21.22 | bucky | JimMozzo04, those are two different things |
| 09:21.36 | JimMozzo04 | But after chroot, it return the error fatal: filesystem would be destroyed by LIKLO boot sector /dev/hda1 |
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| 09:21.41 | JimMozzo04 | and I f run lilo |
| 09:21.43 | bucky | boot=/dev/hda root=/dev/hda1 |
| 09:22.03 | JimMozzo04 | it use the /etc/lilo.conf of the partition mounted by bootable cd |
| 09:22.08 | gin_ | tarzeau, do u know the commando to, mount in sudo a partition ? |
| 09:22.23 | tarzeau | gin_: you'll want to make a wrapper script |
| 09:22.31 | beardy | !u |
| 09:22.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:22.33 | tarzeau | gin_: otherwise the user can mount anything |
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| 09:23.45 | JimMozzo04 | How can do lilo to compile the file /mnt/hda1/etc/lilo.conf ? |
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| 09:23.59 | simonrvn | duh. i was wondering what channel i accidentily left |
| 09:24.02 | nunez | is it possbile to mount an .img file with mount -o loop? |
| 09:24.03 | JimMozzo04 | and write the correct information in mounted /mnt/hda1 partition ? |
| 09:24.25 | wired | personally I think 'you' should be changed to 'U', because then it would be more like 'I' |
| 09:24.44 | JimMozzo04 | bucky: boot=/dev/hda and root=/dev/hda1 |
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| 09:24.59 | beardy | JimMozzo04: 'chroot /mnt/hda1/ /bin/bash ; /sbin/lilo' ? |
| 09:25.02 | bucky | JimMozzo04, is that what you got? |
| 09:25.16 | JimMozzo04 | bucky: yes |
| 09:25.32 | bucky | JimMozzo04, then do what beardy says ^^ |
| 09:26.15 | JimMozzo04 | bucky, beardy: done |
| 09:26.26 | JimMozzo04 | seems to work now I restart the system |
| 09:26.32 | bucky | should be ok |
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| 09:26.36 | Whoppix27 | hi |
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| 09:26.45 | Whoppix27 | can help me |
| 09:26.48 | Whoppix27 | ?? |
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| 09:27.08 | Whoppix27 | i put this apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 09:27.09 | jimi | what kernel should i be using for a centrino? |
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| 09:27.20 | bucky | Whoppix27, what version of debian are you using? |
| 09:27.21 | Whoppix27 | but it has error |
| 09:27.35 | Whoppix27 | i use whoppix |
| 09:27.38 | empty | jimi, do you know what kind of centrino? |
| 09:27.39 | Whoppix27 | installe on hd |
| 09:27.40 | giupy_ | jimi apt-cache search than apt-cache show |
| 09:27.49 | Whoppix27 | bucky |
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| 09:27.59 | beardy | Whoppix27: Whatever that is, it's not debian. |
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| 09:28.04 | bucky | you use whoppix ? |
| 09:28.07 | Whoppix27 | yes |
| 09:28.25 | jimi | empty: centrino 1.6 in a toshiba laptop. i guess it must be a Intel Mobile Pentium or something |
| 09:28.27 | Whoppix27 | its based of debian |
| 09:28.30 | empty | Whoppix27, whoppix is not debian. Buh bye have a nice night |
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| 09:28.42 | JimMozzo04 | bucky, beardy: it work fine thank u !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:28.45 | Whoppix27 | in the install |
| 09:28.52 | Whoppix27 | i choose debian |
| 09:29.02 | empty | jimi there are different flavors- I found out the hard way, support for my new laptop starts in 2.6.9 |
| 09:29.13 | empty | !based on |
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| 09:29.46 | bucky | i just don't know where he got the 2.6.11.9 kernel.. |
| 09:29.50 | empty | !based on debian |
| 09:29.50 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 09:30.16 | Whoppix27 | can be the sources.list |
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| 09:30.22 | Whoppix27 | the possible error |
| 09:30.26 | coNP | anyone knows, when 2.6.12 appears in sid? |
| 09:30.27 | Whoppix27 | ? |
| 09:30.41 | jimi | empty: so kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 might not work at all? |
| 09:30.42 | Guerin_ | coNP: wir |
| 09:30.47 | simonrvn | @wir |
| 09:30.48 | ravenbird | When It's Ready, see also RSN |
| 09:31.00 | empty | Whoppix sure it could be but a) we don't know the error and b) please stop with the gratuitous use of <Enter> |
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| 09:31.26 | simonrvn | coNP: you can always make yourself one from the /boot/config-$(uname -r) and kernel-package |
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| 09:31.41 | Whoppix27 | E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.11.9 /// this is the error |
| 09:31.42 | bucky | coNP, just go to kernel org and build your own |
| 09:31.43 | empty | jimi, it should on most Centrinos I think, try to modprobe speedstep-centrino |
| 09:31.51 | coNP | simonrwn, bucky: i know, im just too lazy to do that |
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| 09:32.03 | simonrvn | well then be patient ;) |
| 09:32.12 | jimi | empty: cool thanks, ill give it a go once it finishes installing on my other pc |
| 09:32.17 | empty | Whoppix27, search for kernel-headers with "apt-cache search" |
| 09:32.44 | empty | Whoppix27, assuming of course apt and the kernel packages are Debian like |
| 09:32.55 | Whoppix27 | of course |
| 09:33.39 | Whoppix27 | empty what i put apt-cache search .... |
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| 09:33.59 | dajar_ | hey all |
| 09:34.09 | jimi | does anyone know what the advantages are of using aptitude over apt-get for installing packages? |
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| 09:35.08 | jm_ | aptitude logs things, and it also remembers which packages were installed as a dependancy and can therefore remove them if you remove that package |
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| 09:35.18 | huron_ | hi all, what can I do if a file belongs to 2 different packages at a time ? |
| 09:35.22 | dondelelcaro | not to mention the fact that aptitude has a real live UI. |
| 09:35.22 | Whoppix27 | empty i put this apt-cache search 2.6.11.9 is corret?? |
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| 09:35.32 | jm_ | huron_: file a bug |
| 09:35.37 | simonrvn | dpkg does too, fyi. 1.3.x |
| 09:35.39 | huron_ | how can I force apt-get to replace the file not matter what ? |
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| 09:35.54 | dondelelcaro | huron_: what is the exact output from the upgrade? |
| 09:36.01 | jimi | jm_ : does that mean i can use apt-get to install packages quickly and then use aptitude to clean un-needed packages whenever i choose? |
| 09:36.04 | huron_ | jm_: I use some 'experimental packages not in main sid |
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| 09:36.36 | jm_ | huron_: then don't bother |
| 09:36.47 | jm_ | jimi: why do you think it's quicker with apt-get? |
| 09:36.49 | dondelelcaro | huron_: if these are packages that are not in the archive, you probably don't want to have them overwrite the files. Instead, have the provider fix the bugs in them. |
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| 09:36.56 | huron_ | dondelelcaro: sorry, it's in french :Dépaquetage de python2.3-gd (à partir de .../python2.3-gd_0.53-2_i386.deb) ... |
| 09:36.56 | huron_ | dpkg : erreur de traitement de /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-gd_0.53-2_i386.deb (--unpack) : |
| 09:36.57 | huron_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.59 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 09:37.03 | dondelelcaro | jimi: no. just s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 09:37.05 | jimi | jm_: its less to type =) |
| 09:37.07 | huron_ | jm_: right |
| 09:37.16 | jm_ | jimi: alias apti='aptitude install' |
| 09:37.20 | ^rob^ | can KDE 4.3.1 be installed on etch ? are there packages for etch? |
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| 09:37.35 | huron_ | dondelelcaro: you're right, I'll do that, but I need also a short term solution ;-) |
| 09:37.42 | jimi | jm_: in my bashrc? of course! |
| 09:37.48 | Whoppix27 | empty ? |
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| 09:38.00 | raf256 | I have to recompile kernel to have selinux? |
| 09:38.13 | dajar_ | im using unbuntu which is if im right based off debian... ive used symaptic to install php apache and mysql which mostly works |
| 09:38.31 | huron_ | I thought some force-something option could handle that ... |
| 09:38.35 | dajar_ | just when i install phpmyadmin i get cannot load mysql extension; |
| 09:38.37 | bucky | dajar_, have you asked in #ubuntu ? |
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| 09:38.52 | dajar_ | yeah but there all busy atm |
| 09:38.58 | dajar_ | so i thoguht id ask here :D |
| 09:38.59 | dondelelcaro | huron_: yes, you can use --force-overwrite, however, you may break things by using that option. |
| 09:38.59 | ^rob^ | dajar_: install php-mysql module |
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| 09:39.13 | dondelelcaro | !force-overwrite |
| 09:39.17 | dajar_ | would that be aptget? |
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| 09:39.40 | ^rob^ | php4-mysql - MySQL module for php4 << |
| 09:39.42 | huron_ | dondelelcaro: thx for your advice, but actually, the packages are used only by one application, so I might not break the system |
| 09:40.36 | ^rob^ | dajar try this: apt-cache search mysql |grep php |
| 09:40.41 | ^rob^ | ;) |
| 09:40.46 | dondelelcaro | huron_: man dpkg; and read about force-overwrite then. |
| 09:40.55 | huron_ | dondelelcaro: ok, thx a lot |
| 09:40.57 | bucky | dajar_, apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 09:41.03 | bucky | and then ask in #ubuntu |
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| 09:41.26 | dajar_ | E: Couldn't find package php4-mysql |
| 09:41.35 | dawg | !based on debian |
| 09:41.35 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 09:41.39 | dajar_ | ok ill ask then |
| 09:41.49 | dajar_ | ok sorry gues |
| 09:41.53 | dajar_ | guys |
| 09:41.53 | ^rob^ | dajar_: man then ask in unbuntu - it means the packages are not same as deb. ones |
| 09:42.05 | ^rob^ | so |
| 09:42.20 | dajar_ | thanks a lot :) |
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| 09:42.32 | ^rob^ | back to my q: re there kde 4.3.1 on etch (testing) |
| 09:42.33 | ^rob^ | ?? |
| 09:43.59 | avu | ^rob^: http://packages.debian.org can check that for you |
| 09:44.01 | jimi | in aptitude its telling me that i have chosen to hold back several packages from being upgraded, what would have caused this? |
| 09:44.02 | TBBle | ^rob^: I'd check packages.debian.org for packages named kdebase or containing kdebase, and see what that says. |
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| 09:44.26 | ^rob^ | avu: TBBle: oh - thank you! |
| 09:45.09 | bucky | there's a repos with kde3.4 somewhere |
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| 09:45.47 | dondelelcaro | jimi: loads of things. Just run aptitude; to figure out what is happening. |
| 09:45.53 | ^rob^ | damn - only 3.3.2 |
| 09:46.13 | dondelelcaro | ^rob^: /topic #debian-kde |
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| 09:46.19 | jimi | ^rob^: im fairly sure there is no kde 4 |
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| 09:46.37 | ^rob^ | can i force installing sid packages on etch? |
| 09:46.55 | dondelelcaro | ^rob^: yes, but if you have to ask that, you generally shouldn't. |
| 09:47.00 | makx | i destroyed a printcap entry, how could i find the printers on my network. |
| 09:47.04 | ^rob^ | lol |
| 09:47.05 | ^rob^ | ok |
| 09:47.10 | bucky | ^rob^, most people have been putting one of these in their sources.list |
| 09:47.11 | bucky | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 09:47.13 | ^rob^ | i'll compile my kde then |
| 09:47.15 | makx | well nmap shows lots of open lprng ports. |
| 09:47.25 | ^rob^ | bucky: those are sid packages i have etch |
| 09:47.26 | sep | ^rob^: ask dpkg about simple sid backport |
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| 09:47.35 | Guerin | wheel, e17 is purdy |
| 09:47.45 | Guerin | and pretty fast, actually |
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| 09:48.45 | ^rob^ | sep: um omm - how do i do that? |
| 09:49.02 | spdf | Guerin, it is quite nice, I planned on trying it out on my day off today |
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| 09:49.18 | bucky | !dpkg tell ^rob^ about simple sid backport |
| 09:49.24 | jimi | "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" |
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| 09:49.34 | raf256 | ...I have to recompile kernel to have selinux? |
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| 09:49.48 | crappledev | dpkg has it going on...smart smart man |
| 09:49.50 | vladkao | sid == unstable ? |
| 09:49.54 | dondelelcaro | vladkao: yes |
| 09:49.56 | ^rob^ | bucky: damn - thank you |
| 09:50.01 | vladkao | good :-) |
| 09:50.06 | bucky | raf256, not if you have 2.6 kernel and have upgraded from the install kernel |
| 09:50.08 | jimi | sid == a cheap russian whore |
| 09:50.52 | raf256 | bucky: well I just apt-get newest 2.6.11: Linux lore 2.6.11-1-k7 #1 Fri May 20 06:54:58 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:51.30 | raf256 | bucky: and I have apt-get all *selinux including selinux-utils, is it enought to get going with SeLinux? How to start learning it (with man/readme)? |
| 09:51.42 | bucky | yes |
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| 09:52.20 | raf256 | selinux have same capabilities as grsec2 including: seeing (ps) only own processes, TCP stack reandomization, PAX memory protection, ldd randomization, bruteforce exploits detection etc? |
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| 09:52.41 | bucky | raf256, have you apt-got the selinux-doc and read that? |
| 09:52.57 | raf256 | bucky: I did apt-get it, but where it is installed? |
| 09:53.04 | bucky | selinux is based on acl's and that's all |
| 09:53.18 | TBBle | raf256: I don't think selinux does any of that. Except maybe the first one... |
| 09:53.18 | raf256 | there should be some apt-info xxx informing where files/applciation from package are placed and how to start them |
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| 09:53.32 | raf256 | that sucks donkey balls |
| 09:53.41 | raf256 | and can I have grSec2 then? on 2.6.11 |
| 09:53.45 | raf256 | or .8 |
| 09:53.53 | Guerin | raf256: you're the stupid one |
| 09:53.57 | Guerin | raf256: man dpkg |
| 09:54.00 | bucky | man dpkg |
| 09:54.07 | raf256 | !blow Guerin |
| 09:54.07 | Draconicus | ... |
| 09:54.07 | TBBle | raf256: There is. It's the Debian policy. Documentation goes in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>. Daemons are started with /etc/init.d/<daemon name, generally === package name>. Instructions for <program> are in man <program> |
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| 09:54.21 | raf256 | ok |
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| 09:54.43 | Draconicus | Did Sunday leak, or is this because it's still Sunday in other time zones? |
| 09:54.45 | TBBle | raf256: Get a grsec2 patch, get kernel-package, and follow the instructions in kernel-package for building your own kernel. |
| 09:54.52 | jimi | hey guys why wont X start after installing a k7 kernel? |
| 09:54.56 | Guerin | Draconicus: it's always sunday in raf256ville |
| 09:55.04 | Guerin | jimi: it will. |
| 09:55.07 | Draconicus | Ouch. |
| 09:55.16 | raf256 | TBBle: I did that, but the instructions seemed... strange.. some chrooting and other shit... cant I just $path and then $make menuconfig etc...? |
| 09:55.23 | jimi | Guerin: it didnt =( |
| 09:55.36 | TBBle | raf256: What? What instructions were you reading? |
| 09:55.37 | raf256 | jimi: recompile nvidia driver perhaps? |
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| 09:55.41 | Draconicus | Well, bucky just tried to type a man command he saw in IRC ON IRC though it related not to his question... |
| 09:55.57 | raf256 | TBBle: hmmm thoes in... in kernel-patch-atopcnt actually, I wanted to add it btw |
| 09:55.58 | jimi | raf256: i was just thinking that, thats probly it! |
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| 09:56.13 | TBBle | raf256: Oh. I can't speak for that. I'm talking about the instructions in kernel-package. |
| 09:56.20 | raf256 | jimi: be shure to grab the nwest driver btw, we now have fiull support for OpenGL 2.0 \o/ |
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| 09:56.48 | Guerin | jimi: duh |
| 09:56.51 | raf256 | TBBle: can I just screw the instructions and manualy unpack, then "patch" then "make menuconfig" as I did before when manualy downloading from kernel.org ? |
| 09:56.58 | Guf | raf256, is it only for nvidia ? |
| 09:57.05 | Guf | openggl 2.0 |
| 09:57.12 | Guf | doh.. *typo* |
| 09:57.17 | raf256 | Guf: I dont know how well does ATI support Ogl in linux drivers |
| 09:57.17 | Guerin | raf256: use make-kpkg, for the love of all that is fluffy |
| 09:57.27 | raf256 | !spank fluffy |
| 09:57.30 | Guf | raf256, oki tnx = |
| 09:57.36 | jimi | raf256: what is fiull? |
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| 09:57.38 | raf256 | Guerin: ok |
| 09:57.40 | TBBle | raf256: You could, but you lose all the advantages of package management, like not having to screw with grub config. |
| 09:57.42 | QaDeS | hiyas :) |
| 09:57.45 | petemc | raf256: whats the point of implemting all these security features if you dont have a through understanding of them? |
| 09:57.56 | raf256 | petemc: to set up a secure server :) |
| 09:58.06 | QaDeS | is there a goot tool to modify mtab? |
| 09:58.10 | bucky | to lock yourself out of lo |
| 09:58.14 | raf256 | QaDeS: vim? |
| 09:58.17 | petemc | raf256: how is it secure tho, if you dont understand the underlying technology? |
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| 09:58.30 | TBBle | raf256: A secure server can reasonably be had with cron-apt in sarge, really. Unless you're giving away shell accounts to random internet hackers? |
| 09:58.32 | raf256 | petemc: and how is car with airbags secure |
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| 09:58.42 | TBBle | raf256: You don't udnerstand airbags? |
| 09:58.44 | petemc | raf256: thats not a valid analogy |
| 09:58.44 | bucky | petemc, it's really secure if he locks himself out |
| 09:58.51 | Guerin | petemc: you made the mistake of asking a sensible question |
| 09:58.51 | dawg | raf256, airbags are for security? |
| 09:58.53 | raf256 | TBBle: ok... s/airbags/ABS |
| 09:58.59 | petemc | Guerin: true |
| 09:59.00 | TBBle | raf256: You don't understand ABS? |
| 09:59.02 | raf256 | ...and alarm |
| 09:59.09 | Guerin | !tbble++ |
| 09:59.15 | raf256 | TBBle: well I dont understand fully the CPU controling ABS system, do You ;) ? |
| 09:59.21 | raf256 | !guerin-- |
| 09:59.22 | raf256 | :P |
| 09:59.25 | QaDeS | raf256, is there -another_ tool? |
| 09:59.25 | TBBle | raf256: Nope. But I know what it _does_ and how to use it. |
| 09:59.30 | QaDeS | apart from emacs and ed |
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| 09:59.35 | Guerin | raf256: hah, ow, that really hurt |
| 09:59.37 | TBBle | And I don't even own a car with ABS. |
| 09:59.46 | raf256 | I dont own a car :( |
| 09:59.46 | Guerin | go on, do it again - prove how tough and cool you are! |
| 09:59.54 | Guerin | thank god for that |
| 09:59.55 | raf256 | !spank Guerin |
| 09:59.58 | greyson | Anyone know of an archive where the old woody packages are still available for sparc? |
| 10:00.01 | lef | what's the best way to re-configure xfree86? |
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| 10:00.01 | bucky | QaDeS, mtab is determined from fstab |
| 10:00.08 | Guerin | greyson: oldstable? |
| 10:00.11 | jimi | is kernel 2.6.11 much better than 2.6.8? |
| 10:00.14 | Guerin | !drxx lef |
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| 10:00.16 | dpkg | lef: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 10:00.20 | Guf | who need a car, when internet is in your aparment |
| 10:00.23 | QaDeS | mixed it up, sorry ^^ |
| 10:00.25 | TBBle | jimi: Yes. Three minor versions better. ^_^ |
| 10:00.30 | raf256 | jimi: I use it now, seems o.k. so far... there are no nown exploits for it AFAIR... yet ;) |
| 10:00.30 | QaDeS | sooo...any fstab tool anyone? ^^ |
| 10:00.34 | lef | thank you Guerin |
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| 10:00.55 | gentoothreefour | hey guys |
| 10:00.56 | bucky | QaDeS, what kind of editor do you like? |
| 10:01.01 | gentoothreefour | which is better debian or gentoo |
| 10:01.01 | Guerin | QaDeS: emacs is good... nano might be easier for you |
| 10:01.09 | Guf | debian |
| 10:01.09 | Guerin | gentoothreefour: stupid question. |
| 10:01.15 | gentoothreefour | somebody told me gentoo is much better than debian |
| 10:01.16 | simonrvn | gentoothreefour: try harder |
| 10:01.18 | Guerin | gentoothreefour: not being a troll is better than either. |
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| 10:01.20 | bucky | nano is easiest |
| 10:01.21 | QaDeS | no editor pls :) more like point'n click |
| 10:01.23 | raf256 | anyway, I can learn that selinux... I think server can be secure even without it, but no harm in adding some security |
| 10:01.24 | jimi | raf256: looks like i better get the latest kernel b4 i bother with nv |
| 10:01.26 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 10:01.30 | gentoothreefour | so i am maybee stupid for installing gentoo? |
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| 10:01.35 | Guerin | QaDeS: not happening. |
| 10:01.37 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.41 | empty | gentoothreefour, I give you a troll rating of 1.2, out of a possible 100 |
| 10:01.42 | TBBle | raf256: Just keep your screwdrivers handy. |
| 10:01.42 | raf256 | jimi: .11 is the latest for debian testing |
| 10:01.54 | Guerin | gentoothreefour: do what you like... decide for yourself. Be a free thinker, not a sheep. |
| 10:01.56 | raf256 | TBBle: as in... :) ? |
| 10:01.57 | snadge | how do i fix X crashing on startup (using nvidia driver) without having to rerun the nvidia installer every bootup.. (i think im using udev) |
| 10:01.58 | TBBle | For reference, .12 needs a new version of udev, apparently. |
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| 10:02.08 | yam | I have installed libc6-i686 on sarge with 2.6.12 kernel... but /lib/libc.so.6 still using linuxthreads-0.10... whats wrong? |
| 10:02.16 | empty | QaDeS, if you need point and click you need to stay the hell away from fstab |
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| 10:02.19 | vladkao | snadge: depends on the error |
| 10:02.22 | TBBle | raf256: As in, if you don't understand your security, be prepared to lock yourself out of your box so completely, recovery involves pull the hard disk. |
| 10:02.25 | QaDeS | ...or do i miss something in cfdisk? i mean, it can _show_ where a partition is mounted |
| 10:02.28 | tools-lt | Anybody have a link to more info on the debian start-stop-deamon and what I need to do to make my scripts play nice with it? |
| 10:02.32 | snadge | vladkao: i get signal 11 from X.. unless i rerun the nvidia installer |
| 10:02.35 | bucky | yam, what version of debian are you using? |
| 10:02.39 | Jamsi | Has anyone got spamassassin working correctly with Exim 4.50 and Sarge and want to send me their exim4.conf? :P |
| 10:02.43 | yam | bucky: sarge |
| 10:02.52 | raf256 | TBBle: well I do understand security in genral, Im c++ programmer not a newbie, I only dont know that specyfic tool(s) yet. |
| 10:02.56 | yam | bucky: want it to use NPTL |
| 10:02.56 | petemc | Jamsi: read tim jacksons spam and virus scanning how to |
| 10:03.01 | vladkao | snadge: that's not the error :-) |
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| 10:03.16 | TBBle | yam: That's correct. libc6-i686 installs libcs with nptl etc in /lib/tls/ and such. |
| 10:03.25 | TBBle | yam: dpkg -L libc6-686 for details. |
| 10:03.27 | simonrvn | QaDeS: no it can't. /etc/fstab does that |
| 10:03.41 | QaDeS | i know :o/ |
| 10:03.46 | Guerin | raf256: you're worse than a newbie - you're someone who thinks he's not a newbie, but without even the wherewithal to find your own answers. |
| 10:03.47 | QaDeS | yast can do it ^^ |
| 10:03.52 | raf256 | TBBle: hmm.. I wonder is it perhaps a good idea to run server in user mode linux? that idea seems very secure doesnt it? |
| 10:03.56 | yam | tbbl: yeah.. I know... but the /lib/libc.so.6 is the one being used by the system, I presume |
| 10:03.58 | TBBle | raf256: I'm sure your programming pedigree is impeccable. it's also almost completely irrelvant. |
| 10:04.00 | QaDeS | there's no port of yast for debian yet, is there? |
| 10:04.06 | snadge | vladkao: loading glx causes the signal 11 problem.. rerunning the nvidia installer, fixes the problem until the next reboot |
| 10:04.07 | Guerin | QaDeS: thank god, no. |
| 10:04.11 | raf256 | Guerin: I told I know I dont know selinux yet, duh |
| 10:04.12 | simonrvn | QaDeS: why would there be? |
| 10:04.19 | Jamsi | petemc, it doesn't cover 4.50 ? |
| 10:04.19 | TBBle | raf256: It's an idea, yes. As long as there's no 'break out of UML' bugs floating around. ^_^ |
| 10:04.26 | petemc | Jamsi: so what? |
| 10:04.29 | vladkao | snadge: I guess you need to modprobe the nvidia module |
| 10:04.30 | Guerin | raf256: neither do I, but I know how to read. |
| 10:04.39 | bucky | lol@Guerin |
| 10:04.53 | QaDeS | to make it a bit easier für casual admins |
| 10:04.55 | petemc | Jamsi: it covers 4.x , and is updated regularly enough |
| 10:04.58 | raf256 | Guerin: if I will be reading everytihing only myself I will be ready to make such server in a year or such |
| 10:05.01 | _rooted_ | hello there, can someone tell me why debian 3.1 r0a (dvd-iso) is declared as “unstable contrib main” in sources.list? |
| 10:05.01 | vladkao | snadge: after running the nvidia installer, typing lsmod gives the module, and after reboot it doesn't. right? |
| 10:05.08 | Guerin | raf256: you must read slow. |
| 10:05.08 | greyson | Guerin: Yeah, oldstable -- is that a repository label? |
| 10:05.10 | QaDeS | i can edit textfiles, but that doesn't mean i want to ^^ |
| 10:05.11 | mrcoyote | Est ce que quelqu'un sait comment fonctionne les switch KVM apex pc solutions, enfin disons je cherche comment accédé au menu et comment changé de pc.... merci |
| 10:05.15 | snadge | vladkao: no.. nvidia module is loaded |
| 10:05.18 | raf256 | Guerin: no, there is much to read isnt there |
| 10:05.20 | bucky | raf256, run uml in chroot with selinux |
| 10:05.28 | Guerin | greyson: yup. Or you can specify woody by name. |
| 10:05.29 | TBBle | _rooted_: It just is. The docs mention that this is normal and expected. |
| 10:05.38 | vladkao | snadge: 100% sure? |
| 10:05.52 | snadge | vladkao: certain.. does it have something to do with nvidia-glx script maybe? |
| 10:05.53 | TBBle | raf256: What I'd suggest is: For a server, install Debian sarge, and cron-apt against security. Remove things that aren't needed, especially daemons. Get a home machine, start throwing patches on there, and keep a recovery CD handy. Once you're satisfied you can do it safely and consistently, apply it to your server. |
| 10:05.54 | greyson | Guerin: *sigh of relief* beautiful, thank you! |
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| 10:05.56 | Guerin | raf256: yes, and all the time you spend asking stupid FAQs on irc, you should be a-reading some of it. |
| 10:06.04 | jimi | is runlevel 0 reboot? |
| 10:06.09 | raf256 | actually it will be a CGI+apache2+postgre/my-sql/(s)ftp server... I think actually chrooting servers and using scponly as login shell should be secure enought anyway |
| 10:06.17 | Guerin | jimi: no, shutdown. |
| 10:06.23 | vladkao | snadge: guess so |
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| 10:06.33 | raf256 | TBBle: mhm I will do that... |
| 10:06.54 | snadge | vladkao: well theres only one setting i can change with nvidia-glx .. something to do with TLS, and toggling that option doesnt help |
| 10:07.36 | vladkao | snadge: i guess you need to read the whole nvidia README :-) |
| 10:07.41 | NeoTech | Hi, i have installed Sarge after been running Woody for a long time, something weird is happening though, the box "shutsdown" sometimes, just turns off, in the logfiles it saids "Restart".. It shouldnt shutdown, it's supposed to be on 24/7. Any suggestions? |
| 10:07.44 | raf256 | I wonder, in general, how it is easy to set up a server, that noone can harm even while having ssh access? |
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| 10:08.07 | Guerin | raf256: define 'harm' |
| 10:08.14 | QaDeS | firewall @ raf256 :) |
| 10:08.16 | raf256 | also, how to dissallow person with SSH access from compiling/downloading own binaries? make all partitions "noexec" that he can write? |
| 10:08.18 | _rooted_ | ok, thank you TBBle |
| 10:08.22 | TBBle | raf256: Tricky. The general case is easy, but you can't easily protect against exploits that aren't yet known. |
| 10:08.27 | Guerin | QaDeS: firewalls are worthless against local users, come on. |
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| 10:08.36 | raf256 | Guerin: read not own files, kill services, get root |
| 10:08.37 | am88b | raf256: grsec makes it safer |
| 10:08.41 | TBBle | raf256: That won't stop shell scripts. |
| 10:08.48 | QaDeS | if you're locel, there's no need for ssh *thinks* |
| 10:08.51 | Guerin | raf256: easy, given known exploits. |
| 10:08.58 | bucky | grsec is probably better |
| 10:09.11 | raf256 | hmm or perhaps I will just gave them "rscponly" login shell.. there is no escaping from that AFAIR |
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| 10:09.14 | Guerin | raf256: it's other stuff, like stopping forkbombs and clogging up disk space and hogging cpu time which is hard. |
| 10:09.14 | raf256 | and chroot all servers |
| 10:09.40 | raf256 | Guerin: isnt it just pamd setting for limits? |
| 10:09.43 | bucky | raf256, theres a big article about securing a linux server on MadPenguin today |
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| 10:09.51 | Guerin | QaDeS: no, if you ssh in, you're local. Local means 'logged in as a legitimate unix user' not 'sitting in fromt of the machine'. |
| 10:09.53 | raf256 | bucky: ok |
| 10:09.53 | am88b | grsec is quite easy to set up and it gives some very good protection and ways to audit potential "bad guys" |
| 10:10.07 | petemc | raf256: what if everyone here is secretly a max hax0r, and all the advice you're getting is actually making your box more vulnerable? |
| 10:10.08 | Guerin | raf256: sure, but can you think of everything? |
| 10:10.16 | Guerin | haha |
| 10:10.21 | bucky | am88b, unlike selinux which can be tricky |
| 10:10.25 | raf256 | petemc: oh shit |
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| 10:10.33 | petemc | :) |
| 10:10.33 | EL_Chupanibre | lmao |
| 10:10.37 | Guerin | anyway |
| 10:10.44 | raf256 | btw is it true that linux 2.6 is far less secure then *bsd? |
| 10:10.46 | EL_Chupanibre | they say the paranoid are the well informed :P |
| 10:10.52 | bucky | !irritate raf256 |
| 10:10.53 | dpkg | raf256: HELP ME!!! how can I make my mepis werkz !!!! |
| 10:11.03 | raf256 | !bushsmite bucky |
| 10:11.12 | am88b | raf256: you must define "secure" first... |
| 10:11.17 | Guerin | raf256: potentially the stupidest question you've asked tonight... congratulations, the bar is now set lower. |
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| 10:11.27 | raf256 | am88b: its a webserver with ssh/scp access for few webmasters |
| 10:11.33 | QaDeS | tx for clarification, Guerin :) |
| 10:11.50 | gahan | tonight?:) |
| 10:11.54 | TBBle | raf256: If you take the word of the main OpenBSD developer for it, sure. |
| 10:11.54 | am88b | raf256: well, your web might be hacked anyway, have you thought about that? |
| 10:11.59 | raf256 | Guerin: what was, t.f., stupid about it? ok let me cleryfie: I mean user->root exploits |
| 10:12.03 | Guerin | raf256: don't run php |
| 10:12.08 | greyson | !tell raf256 about hardening |
| 10:12.18 | am88b | !tell me about hardening too |
| 10:12.24 | raf256 | Guerin: unfourtunately entire page is on php... |
| 10:12.25 | Guerin | raf256: i haven't seen any hard data on it, only speculation. |
| 10:12.30 | TBBle | What's wrong with PHP? |
| 10:12.32 | greyson | !tell am88b about harden |
| 10:12.37 | Guerin | raf256: heh |
| 10:12.47 | raf256 | Guerin: AFAIK ther was like 1 kernel exploit on *BSD in last year |
| 10:12.49 | Guerin | TBBle: ah, just reputation. |
| 10:13.09 | Guerin | TBBle: for now... |
| 10:13.18 | Guerin | raf256: so? |
| 10:13.19 | Draconicus | Hehe. I just found out that while Linux flash support is rather sucky, the Windows flash player runs beautifully in WINE. |
| 10:13.30 | Draconicus | Flawlessly, in fact. |
| 10:13.31 | bucky | who was in here with bastille the other day.. that was fun :( |
| 10:13.36 | am88b | TBBle: well, I am too paranoid to use PHP... really. With mod_php, almost anyone might get www-data rights to your server. |
| 10:13.44 | raf256 | Guerin: so kernel exploits arent too cool to have, are they |
| 10:13.44 | simonrvn | bucky: that was weird |
| 10:13.53 | bucky | no doubt |
| 10:14.07 | Guerin | raf256: BSD has less users, and more of them are security-capable. It also has a much smaller kernel, and a very different kernel architecture. |
| 10:14.11 | greyson | raf256: security doesn't happen once... it's a maintenance thing. |
| 10:14.18 | NeoTech | Hi, i have installed Sarge after been running Woody for a long time, something weird is happening though, the box "shutsdown" sometimes, just turns off, in the logfiles it saids "Restart".. It shouldnt shutdown, it's supposed to be on 24/7. Any suggestions? |
| 10:14.30 | bucky | but bastille asks you questions when it installs... so that makes it bad for some people |
| 10:14.35 | raf256 | I hope there will be no exploits in 2.6.11 and .12 :/ |
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| 10:14.53 | TBBle | raf256: I doubt it. They just haven't found 'em yet. ^_^ |
| 10:14.54 | crappledev | raf256: don't we all? |
| 10:14.56 | NeoTech | raf256: it's like hoping that it will rain gold from the skies. ;D |
| 10:14.58 | raf256 | wtf cant Linus take a vacation and finally fix all exploits in one version before making another? |
| 10:15.00 | Oldak | How do I handle .fw files in Debian? |
| 10:15.08 | am88b | raf256: vacation? |
| 10:15.11 | greyson | raf256: Then don't install them until you're comfortable. |
| 10:15.17 | am88b | raf256: then he doesn't fix anything :) |
| 10:15.28 | balony | Anyone know where I can find docs about how to setup a loadbalancing/redundancy solution with Linux, multipleservers. (is iptables the best solution?) |
| 10:15.33 | raf256 | am88b: I ment, stop adding stuff to kernel, fix it first |
| 10:15.38 | bucky | NeoTech, your box shutsdown when you tell it to reboot ? |
| 10:15.44 | TBBle | raf256: I'm sure he could, if you emailed him a list of all the exploits. |
| 10:15.46 | Guerin | raf256: why can't YOU fix all the exploits, since you're such a good c++ c0d3r? |
| 10:15.53 | netman1 | balony: Looked at vrrpd? |
| 10:16.03 | greyson | Guerin: good call *grin* |
| 10:16.05 | NeoTech | bucky: nope, i dont tell it to reboot, it just shutsdown anyway. |
| 10:16.09 | raf256 | Guerin: Im not _soo_ good, and kernel hacking is not my c++ specialization |
| 10:16.17 | NeoTech | bucky: in the syslog it's stated "restart" though. |
| 10:16.19 | sep | balony: /msg dpkg lvs |
| 10:16.35 | bucky | NeoTech, is it over heating? |
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| 10:16.37 | greyson | raf256 nevermind the kernel's in c and wouldn't even compile as c++ (trust me, I tried) |
| 10:16.39 | TBBle | raf256: Just as well, 'cause the kernel's not written in C++. |
| 10:16.45 | am88b | NeoTech: that means that syslog was restarted |
| 10:16.47 | raf256 | I ment C, duh |
| 10:17.01 | am88b | NeoTech: or log was rotated or whatever.... I think |
| 10:17.05 | NeoTech | am88b: ok.. *stupid me* ;D |
| 10:17.06 | Guerin | sure ya were. |
| 10:17.10 | bucky | NeoTech, make sure your cpu fan is spinning |
| 10:17.20 | NeoTech | bucky: i have checked all the fans. |
| 10:17.24 | greyson | I'd ignore him, but this is so entertaining! |
| 10:17.26 | QaDeS | why ain't there a linux kernel written in java? *hides* |
| 10:17.27 | raf256 | hmm btw, do we have yet an unbrakable chroot jail? is it in grSec2, in 2.6.11, or in either? |
| 10:17.30 | crappledev | 4.83 second kernel compile achieved on power4 |
| 10:17.31 | NeoTech | and they run. but i'm with you at the overheating thingy. |
| 10:17.41 | raf256 | lets write 3.0 kernel in Basic# .NET! |
| 10:17.55 | NeoTech | bucky: know of any program that can monitor temperatures?? |
| 10:17.58 | bucky | NeoTech, is your power supply big enough? |
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| 10:18.09 | NeoTech | bucky: 550W should be enough. =) |
| 10:18.16 | QaDeS | raf256, try PL/SQL ^^ |
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| 10:18.43 | raf256 | SELECT * PROCESSES WHERE sheduled_time > now() - 1 |
| 10:18.49 | bucky | NeoTech, there are temp programs.. you need to load the right kernel modules for them to start |
| 10:19.04 | raf256 | ...do we have yet an unbrakable chroot jail? is it in grSec2, in 2.6.11, or in either? |
| 10:19.05 | NeoTech | bucky: ok, i need to recompile then i might think? |
| 10:19.14 | Guerin | !tell raf256 about repeat |
| 10:19.22 | raf256 | !irritate Guerin |
| 10:19.22 | dpkg | Guerin: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol |
| 10:19.27 | bucky | NeoTech, you probably have them if you apt-got your kernel |
| 10:19.40 | NeoTech | bucky: imusing an old mainboard though - Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX any problems you think? |
| 10:19.47 | Guerin | raf256: you're more irritating when you don't use dpkg |
| 10:19.56 | raf256 | Guerin: huray \o/ |
| 10:19.58 | NeoTech | bucky: i'm still using the 2.6 kernel that follows with sarge installation. |
| 10:20.11 | bucky | NeoTech, i don't know.. it's going to take some research on your part |
| 10:20.20 | raf256_bender | kiss my shiny metal ass |
| 10:20.26 | TBBle | raf256: Security is not an absolute, or really even a question of 'best'. It's about "sufficient", and is a time/cost calculation. Local root exploits are only a risk if you give people local access, or someone compromises a daemon. So up to date kernel (and I mean 2.6.8 with security patches, not 2.6.{max}) and up to date daemons (and I mean sarge w/security.debian.org, not etch or sid) are your two first lines of defense. If you're such a high-profile targe |
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| 10:20.28 | bucky | NeoTech, you need to upgrade the kernel |
| 10:20.37 | TBBle | Hmm. That came out longer than I expected. |
| 10:20.47 | raf256_bender | TBBle: ok |
| 10:20.53 | kpg | i am trying to install the smc 7007 adsl usb modem in sarge.. |
| 10:20.59 | NeoTech | bucky: ok, apt getting the latest 2.6 in sarge then and recompile..? |
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| 10:21.11 | bucky | NeoTech, google |
| 10:21.12 | raf256_bender | TBBle: Im afraid of someone compromising PHP and make it execute arbitrary code to gain user->root |
| 10:21.23 | kpg | i downloaded the modem drivers from the bewan site and compiled the modules |
| 10:21.24 | CherryX^ | Hiya! |
| 10:21.27 | cmihai | chroot apache. |
| 10:21.31 | TBBle | raf256_bender: Right. So keep php up to date, and keep your kernel up to date. |
| 10:21.38 | CherryX^ | Erm.. On the HTTP / torrent / jidgo .. There's like 15 binary iso's |
| 10:21.39 | raf256 | ok... |
| 10:21.40 | CherryX^ | do i need them ALL ? |
| 10:21.49 | simonrvn | no |
| 10:21.51 | kpg | when i try to modprobe the module, i get an error saying invalid module format |
| 10:21.57 | NeoTech | bucky: oh, recompiling is not a problem.. just pondering over getting it from kernel.org or from the apt-get thingy. |
| 10:22.03 | kpg | what could be the problem? |
| 10:22.05 | CherryX^ | Which can i use to get into developer mode |
| 10:22.07 | raf256 | btw, Im donating my Athlon to my work.. because I was waiting a year(!) for my institute to by me SQL server... well... ;) |
| 10:22.09 | CherryX^ | so i can use the compiler, etc |
| 10:22.20 | raf256 | s/by/buy |
| 10:22.22 | bucky | NeoTech, which version of debian are you using? |
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| 10:22.52 | kpg | i am using kernel 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 10:23.06 | raf256 | kpg: -386??? why not update to -k7 |
| 10:23.09 | NeoTech | Bucky: i downloaded Debian 3.1(Sarge) and installed linux26. |
| 10:23.12 | paulswm | NeoTech: package is lm-sensors, and if you are using 2.6 you don't need to build a kernel |
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| 10:23.39 | kpg | raf256, why? maybe to the i686 kernel |
| 10:23.40 | sep | CherryX^: install from the netinstall cd, and aptitude install build-essential afterwards |
| 10:23.46 | raf256 | kpg: wgat CPU? |
| 10:23.51 | bucky | NeoTech, good.. apt-cache search kernel-image ; choose one ; apt-get install kernel-imge-* |
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| 10:23.59 | kpg | p4 2.4 prescott |
| 10:24.02 | raf256 | NeoTech: install kernel-headers- as well |
| 10:24.20 | raf256 | kpg: yeah I think its i686 |
| 10:24.27 | raf256 | kpg: get libc-i686 as well |
| 10:24.35 | bucky | raf256, why? |
| 10:24.42 | NeoTech | bucky: oh.. easy.. used to need to recompile my ass off. *sigh* ;) |
| 10:24.46 | raf256 | btw, why noone can make precompiled 2.6.11-1 with grsec? |
| 10:24.53 | raf256 | and other interesting patches as atopcnt |
| 10:24.59 | raf256 | bucky: it should work faster |
| 10:25.04 | kpg | raf256, everything else works fine. |
| 10:25.14 | bucky | raf256, he doesn't need to compile |
| 10:25.16 | PolarWolf | raf256: What keeps you? |
| 10:25.26 | TBBle | raf256: None of us care about it that much? Heck, if you're needing things like that, you prolly don't trust kernels pulled from the 'net anyway. |
| 10:25.27 | PolarWolf | raf256: kernel-package makes things easy like that |
| 10:25.27 | raf256 | PolarWolf: I ment, why noone else did it |
| 10:25.57 | PolarWolf | raf256: probably because generic kernels suck for specialized purposes |
| 10:25.59 | raf256 | TBBle: kernel.org GPG sign |
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| 10:26.35 | raf256 | PolarWolf: like one: secure-ketnel-with-cool-securith stuff (introducing grsec2, atopcnt,atopaccnt and perhaps ipsec etc) |
| 10:26.36 | TBBle | raf256: Exactly. That signs the source, not some random package someone built and put on a website. |
| 10:26.44 | simonrvn | PolarWolf: yeh. a kernel for a workstation won't necessarily need or want stuff suitable for a server, vice-versa |
| 10:26.49 | TBBle | raf256: ipsec's in stock 2.6 |
| 10:26.53 | raf256 | TBBle: I ment, why debian.org repository dont host such kernel |
| 10:27.23 | raf256 | its like 2-3 hours work for one debian devel probably |
| 10:27.40 | TBBle | raf256: LOL. You're about four orders of magnitude out. |
| 10:27.53 | kpg | anyone know what chipset the smc7007 adsl modem uses? i think its the bewan chipset, looking at the vid. but not sure |
| 10:27.56 | raf256 | even if I did it, then I cant share it with others deb users if Im not deb devel |
| 10:27.57 | PolarWolf | raf256: Because everyone wants something else in that kernel. Like I said, generic kernels suck. If you want something specific, tailor it to your needs. |
| 10:27.57 | TBBle | raf256: The Debian-kernel team aren't interested, given the risks such a patch introduces. For more detail on that specific question, check the debian-devel and debian-kernel mailing list archives. This question gets asked every so often. |
| 10:28.12 | raf256 | ok |
| 10:28.15 | TBBle | raf256: Sure you can. Put the .deb on a website, and tell people about it. apt-get.org is a mechanism to tell people about it. |
| 10:28.24 | Oldak | I want to install some firmware but the files from which I need to install are .fw - how should I handle these? |
| 10:28.26 | NeoTech | paulswm: the sensors thingy did not detect any sensors.. to old and dull mainboard i guess. =) |
| 10:28.48 | raf256 | grSec + SeLinux can be used in same time? Realy SeLinux is just about ACL/ |
| 10:28.51 | PolarWolf | Linux shanta 2.6.10-skas3-v7shanta20041121 #1 Wed Feb 2 20:20:03 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:28.52 | paulswm | NeoTech: :( |
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| 10:29.17 | PolarWolf | raf256: SELinux is about policies, not ACLs |
| 10:29.18 | TBBle | Oldak: Hopefully the drivers you're using will tell you where to put the firmware. Probably /usr/lib/hotplug/ or some directory thereof, with a specific name. |
| 10:29.53 | simonrvn | RTFR (README ;) |
| 10:29.57 | Oldak | So it is just a matter of placing the files in a folder |
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| 10:30.07 | PolarWolf | raf256: I would like you to start reading up on all the subjects you want to know about because frankly...you need it |
| 10:30.09 | TBBle | Oldak: Probably. Check the instructions for the driver to be sure. |
| 10:30.15 | paulswm | simonrvn: Haha. |
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| 10:30.23 | TBBle | Hmm. Can #debian set homework? |
| 10:30.27 | simonrvn | *grin* |
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| 10:30.37 | snail | hi i'm seeing what looks like a bug in firefox, but I'm not certain it's not just me doing something wrong. when I view some websites some text (usually title or link text) doesn't appear until I scroll it off the page and back on again or until i scroll over it. this is firefox on debian sarge. |
| 10:30.51 | snail | a case in point is the entry titles in http://blog.educause.edu/catherine/category/3834.aspx |
| 10:31.05 | snail | does anyone else have difficulty with that page? |
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| 10:31.18 | subvertir | snail, I think that's a problem with freetype |
| 10:31.20 | JessicaX^ | ASnyone know which bin iso has a part where i can go into "Development" mode.. So i can use a compiler.. etc? |
| 10:31.35 | paulswm | snail: I'm using FF on sarge, and no problem here, page looks fine. |
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| 10:31.43 | TBBle | I _really_ hope build-essential is on CD 1. |
| 10:31.55 | subvertir | JessicaX^, the basic development enviroment (build-essential and gdb) is on CD 1 |
| 10:31.58 | paulswm | snail: Sorry, I lied, I'm using FF on etch. |
| 10:32.09 | JessicaX^ | !! |
| 10:32.09 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 10:32.11 | JessicaX^ | Thanks sub |
| 10:32.13 | JessicaX^ | FINALLY |
| 10:33.18 | JessicaX^ | debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 10:33.23 | JessicaX^ | That the one? |
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| 10:33.38 | TBBle | JessicaX^: Yup. |
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| 10:34.04 | b33r | is there an apt command that allows you to see all installed packages |
| 10:34.05 | JessicaX^ | Thank you |
| 10:34.12 | b33r | like list-extras or something |
| 10:34.19 | TBBle | b33r: dpkg -l |grpe ^ii ? |
| 10:34.20 | vladkao | b33r: dpkg -l |
| 10:34.22 | TBBle | grep |
| 10:34.26 | snail | subvertir: i'm looking at the freetype bugs info and not seeing anything that looks promising. do you have more details? |
| 10:34.30 | b33r | aah cool thanks |
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| 10:36.09 | nothingmuch | what's the name of the perl module to deb thingamabob? |
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| 10:36.29 | TBBle | nothingmuch: dh-make-perl? |
| 10:36.52 | subvertir | snail, it's just a hunch to be honest - I'd try enabling/disabling subpixel rendering and anti-aliasing |
| 10:37.03 | subvertir | (using dpkg-reconfigure) |
| 10:37.24 | Jamsi | petemc, thanks for that mate. Great guide and helped alot. Though I have been testing it, sending myself spam emails and it never seems to score over 5.0. ALL_Trusted puts it down by giving it a -2.8 everytime. Whats with this? |
| 10:37.55 | raf256 | hmm |
| 10:38.06 | raf256 | is it good idea to get xorg right now? im on testing |
| 10:38.30 | raf256 | because XFree doesnt work to well on my box (crash while returning from non-OpenGL fullscreen modes) |
| 10:38.49 | petemc | Jamsi: that means it didnt pass through any untrusted hosts, aiui, which makes sense if its just you testing it |
| 10:39.09 | raf256 | or should I debug thoes crashes and report'em? |
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| 10:39.16 | TBBle | raf256: "good idea"? Not too bad on a desktop, because if anything goes wrong you hopefully won't lose too much. |
| 10:39.26 | TBBle | raf256: Are you on the nvidia binary driver? |
| 10:39.26 | snail | subvertir: thanks |
| 10:39.31 | Jamsi | petemc its all local mail, none of it goes through the Internet. Do you know how I can disable this for testing purposes? |
| 10:39.34 | PolarWolf | what else use is X besides on a desktop? |
| 10:39.42 | raf256 | TBBle: yes, I got nvdia.com and recompiled |
| 10:39.47 | Jamsi | I do not want the ALL_Trusted to affect the score just because the mail is local |
| 10:39.51 | petemc | Jamsi: you need to tweak spamassassin |
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| 10:40.00 | TBBle | raf256: Well, do the crashses also happen with nv? |
| 10:40.11 | raf256 | TBBle: yes |
| 10:40.23 | raf256 | its XFree error |
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| 10:40.26 | raf256 | wrong opcode something |
| 10:40.33 | TBBle | raf256: Ouch. I don't seem 'em here, but I'm on Sarge. |
| 10:40.49 | raf256 | I have that error for almost 5 months now |
| 10:40.51 | raf256 | on sarge as well |
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| 10:41.04 | Grost | any knowing, how to remove a lvm completly from system ? I cannot remove it, because the HDDs are not here anymore |
| 10:41.21 | TBBle | raf256: Hardware issue? I only install Sarge on here last week. ^_^ |
| 10:41.30 | raf256 | TBBle: no, on different hardware as well |
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| 10:42.11 | raf256 | btw, can I have two instances of apache2, one used to display /~/public_httml, nad second for /var/www and in chroot? |
| 10:42.17 | TBBle | Oh well. I'd go with X.org then, instead. |
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| 10:42.24 | raf256 | or should I use in example other http server for the /var/www |
| 10:42.25 | TBBle | raf256: Yes, but not within the Debian packaging. |
| 10:42.36 | sep | raf256: using nvidia drivers, on 3 sarge boxes no problem, (from dpkg's nvidia one liner) |
| 10:42.47 | tzafrir | raf256, which of them should listen on port 80? |
| 10:42.52 | raf256 | sep: yes, I suspect my problem is very rare... to who should I report |
| 10:42.55 | TBBle | raf256: I wouldn't bother with the chroot for apache, personally. A chroot doesn't save you from user->root exploits. |
| 10:43.02 | raf256 | tzafrir: I would like the /var/www chrooted to listen on 80 |
| 10:43.09 | raf256 | TBBle: damn |
| 10:43.24 | TBBle | A chroot saves you from 'read files belonging to other users to which the user actually has permissin' exploits. And that's a different class of problem entirely. |
| 10:43.34 | raf256 | TBBle: so is there 100% secure (non, even tiny exploit for year) way to display some static HTML pages? |
| 10:43.37 | tzafrir | raf256, so how will it connect to the other one? using mod_proxy? |
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| 10:43.45 | raf256 | tzafrir: ? |
| 10:43.46 | Grost | anybody knowing, how to delete a logical volume in LVM, without have the hdds ? |
| 10:43.54 | tzafrir | raf256, there are plenty of simpler httpds |
| 10:44.05 | tzafrir | There are some 10-20 in Debian alone |
| 10:44.10 | raf256 | tzafrir: can you reccomend one? best one that chroots self or is easy to chroot etc |
| 10:44.16 | tzafrir | apt-cache search httpd, for starters |
| 10:44.17 | TBBle | raf256: Definately. apt-cache search tiny httpd or look at all the packages that provide httpd |
| 10:44.25 | raf256 | oki |
| 10:44.37 | raf256 | Ican have both packages at same time ofcourse? |
| 10:44.48 | tzafrir | raf256, but they all lack certain features you've come to expect from apache. e.g: directory listing |
| 10:44.49 | nothingmuch | dh-make-perl is complaining about YAML parse errors... Is this common? |
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| 10:44.58 | tzafrir | thttpd is a nice start |
| 10:45.02 | raf256 | tzafrir: no ned for listings |
| 10:45.18 | tzafrir | And there are even more basic ones |
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| 10:46.21 | TBBle | nothingmuch: If it produces a package at the end, it's prolly OK. If not, you may to have package stuff. I know I had to muck about a lot with a YAML package I was using, but tat was Woody. |
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| 10:47.43 | nothingmuch | it didn't |
| 10:48.03 | tzafrir | raf256, BTW: busybox includes a very simple httpd. I have no idea if it's code was audited enough, though |
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| 10:48.30 | nothingmuch | YAML::LoadFile is appearantly dying |
| 10:48.34 | nothingmuch | err, croaking, actually |
| 10:48.42 | tzafrir | it doesn't produce a package. It produces a buildable source directory |
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| 10:49.16 | nothingmuch | ysh doesn't eat it either, so i'll just zap the META.yml |
| 10:49.23 | tzafrir | nothingmuch, I have had such problems when dependecies were missing |
| 10:49.43 | tzafrir | (perl dependencies, that is) |
| 10:50.18 | cantona | what is Preemptible Kernel? |
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| 10:50.37 | nothingmuch | cantona: a kernel that can interrupt system calls |
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| 10:51.00 | nothingmuch | e.g., some kerenel operations can stop others in the middle, get work done, and resume the preempted operations |
| 10:51.16 | nothingmuch | it gives better response time, at the cost of some complexity (in theory) |
| 10:51.43 | cantona | Voluntary Kernel Preemption (Desktop) Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop) which should I choose? |
| 10:51.57 | nothingmuch | depending on what you prefer |
| 10:52.10 | nothingmuch | if you'll be running video apps and such, the latter |
| 10:52.21 | cantona | i see, thanks |
| 10:52.31 | nothingmuch | if you'll be gaming, you might want the former, for more performance |
| 10:52.37 | nothingmuch | (simpler kernel) |
| 10:52.37 | Morpheus8 | does anyone have experiance getting the TUX webserver to run with debian? |
| 10:52.47 | nothingmuch | if you're just browsing you shouldn't really notice much of a diff |
| 10:52.52 | nothingmuch | X might be snappier |
| 10:52.55 | nothingmuch | but I doubt it |
| 10:53.15 | nothingmuch | tzafrir: when I have the 'debian' dir in the module dir, what's the next step? |
| 10:53.25 | nothingmuch | dh-make-perl has no manpage |
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| 10:55.52 | kbrooks | ```````````````````````````````111111111111111 |
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| 10:59.01 | delirium | hi, I have a problem, I'm trying to install kbatt, a battery applet for KDE |
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| 10:59.06 | delirium | I need the QT library |
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| 10:59.17 | petemc | delirium: qt-dev or some such |
| 10:59.24 | delirium | so I installed libqt3-dev |
| 10:59.25 | delirium | right |
| 10:59.39 | delirium | with --with-qt- ... |
| 10:59.41 | delirium | something |
| 10:59.43 | delirium | it worked |
| 10:59.50 | petemc | delirium: try to put your question on one line |
| 10:59.53 | delirium | but then it couldn't find the kde headers |
| 10:59.56 | delirium | ok |
| 11:00.29 | delirium | so I installed kdelibs4, but when I apt-get install it, it removes the qt3lib package |
| 11:00.34 | Grost | anybody knowing how to delete a logical Volume, where the disks not present ? |
| 11:00.54 | delirium | so either I get the qt working or the kde headers, but I can't seem to get them installed both at once |
| 11:01.00 | greyson | Grost: sounds like a ghost limb syndrome |
| 11:01.01 | delirium | how do I solve this ? |
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| 11:02.02 | johaBBa | for how long (typically, estimate, etc) will there be security updates for woody? |
| 11:02.05 | Grost | greyson, can you tell me, how to flush all lvm configs ? |
| 11:02.07 | raf256 | hmm... so I can in example run 2 UML instances, and one one server (apache, sql) in each? |
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| 11:02.16 | tzafrir | nothingmuch, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:02.18 | streuner | johaBBa: about 1 year |
| 11:02.25 | johaBBa | streuner, ok...thanks. |
| 11:02.37 | nothingmuch | tzafrir: what about cpan module deps |
| 11:02.50 | greyson | Grost, sorry, no... I've not worked with raids under linux |
| 11:02.58 | TBBle | raf256: You could, yes. |
| 11:03.13 | delirium | guys ? |
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| 11:04.05 | TBBle | delirium: kde uses qt, so you had the wrong qt development library installed for the kde libs. Have a look at the build-deps of the kdelibs, to see which qt it wants to use. |
| 11:04.11 | DimmuR | is it possible to use other window-manager than sawfish in gnome? |
| 11:04.25 | delirium | thx TBBle |
| 11:04.26 | streuner | DimmuR: yes |
| 11:04.27 | Coke | DimmuR: yes |
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| 11:05.29 | nothingmuch | bah.. Too much work. How bad is perl -MCPAN? |
| 11:05.46 | DimmuR | streuner: what other window manager can i use? or where can i find some usefull info? |
| 11:06.02 | BlueShift | DimmuR: enlightenment works. :) |
| 11:06.10 | greyson | Followup to johaBBa's question: When do security updates start for sarge? |
| 11:06.11 | raf256 | can I choose with gcc version will compile kernel, with is best choice - 2.95 3.2 3.3..? |
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| 11:06.20 | jm_ | /msg dpkg default window manager ; /msg dpkg choose window manager ; /msg dpkg x wm |
| 11:06.33 | streuner | raf256: dont use 3.2 |
| 11:06.46 | streuner | raf256: 3.3 would be fine |
| 11:06.52 | DimmuR | i was thinking about changing to xfc4 but first i need to check what gnome fully offers (in xfce4 gnome applets doesnt work :/) |
| 11:06.54 | raf256 | where is that set? .config? |
| 11:06.59 | TBBle | greyson: They started pretty soon after the relese. |
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| 11:07.44 | greyson | TBBle: Cool, just wanted to make sure... I use stable for my front-machines... so they can take a beating some days. |
| 11:07.59 | greyson | thanks! |
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| 11:09.15 | streuner | Linux version 2.6.9-1-k7 (dilinger@toaster.hq.voxel.net) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-2)) #1 Thu Nov 25 03:20:07 EST 2004 |
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| 11:10.34 | fas3r | it's possible to decompress .rar on linux or not? |
| 11:10.46 | dawg | fas3r, yes |
| 11:10.49 | streuner | !info unrar |
| 11:10.51 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.2-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 11:10.53 | greyson | apt-get unrar |
| 11:10.58 | streuner | !info unrar-nonfree |
| 11:11.04 | fas3r | thank a lot |
| 11:11.31 | streuner | fas3r: take the version out of nonfree - it supports higher than 3.0 versions... |
| 11:11.39 | streuner | !find unrar |
| 11:11.41 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'unrar' (2): unrar ;; unrar-free. |
| 11:11.43 | TBBle | !info unrar-free |
| 11:11.44 | fas3r | ok |
| 11:11.49 | fas3r | thank a lot |
| 11:11.49 | dpkg | unrar-free: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.0.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
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| 11:11.56 | jm_ | streuner: unrar == unrar-nonfree, unrar-free == old unrar ;) |
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| 11:12.05 | _rooted_ | why does “adduser” ignores the password min length attribute in “/etc/pam.d/common-password” ? :/ |
| 11:12.20 | streuner | jm_: oh |
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| 11:12.40 | Guerin | _rooted_: why does your irc client insert braindead escapes? |
| 11:12.46 | streuner | fas3r: you heard what jm_ told you.. |
| 11:12.47 | TBBle | _rooted_: Does adduser user PAM? |
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| 11:13.29 | _rooted_ | no it did not..where can i set a min length? :) |
| 11:13.38 | raf256 | !find xorg |
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| 11:13.40 | Guerin | !info openhackware sid |
| 11:13.48 | dpkg | openhackware: (OpenFirmware emulator for PowerPC), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.4.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 564 kB |
| 11:13.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xorg' (1): (/usr/share/xresprobe/xorg.conf) in x11/xresprobe. |
| 11:14.29 | TBBle | _rooted_: I think the point is that adduser trusts you to know what you're doing, and so doesn't check pam like 'passwd' does when changing passwords. |
| 11:14.37 | balony | What is the best authentificaton method to use for a big virtual server setup? ldap? radius? unix password files? |
| 11:14.52 | Guerin | balony: probably ldap. |
| 11:15.26 | eps | how do I setup my mic in debian, plugging it in doesn't seem to work - is there a config some where? |
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| 11:16.18 | _rooted_ | ahh ok but cracklib is warning me if the pw is to short...that is confusing me |
| 11:16.46 | _uyio00 | Why dpkg refuse to upgrade itself from 1.9.21 to 1.13.9 ? |
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| 11:17.12 | _uyio00 | Preparing to replace dpkg 1.9.21 (using .../archives/dpkg_1.13.9_i386.deb) ... |
| 11:17.16 | jm_ | Guerin: is it mentioned in available file? |
| 11:17.20 | _uyio00 | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.13.9_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 11:17.26 | jm_ | Guerin: try grep-available -F Depends,Recommends,Suggests -s Package openhackware |
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| 11:19.25 | _rooted_ | TBBle: "passwd" ignores my pw min lenght as well |
| 11:19.44 | Guerin | jm_: ah, qemu |
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| 11:19.53 | Guerin | jm_: i guess that makes sense :) |
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| 11:19.58 | _uyio00 | it also prevent me to install kernel-package...and I need to install a new kernel |
| 11:20.00 | Guerin | jm_: thanks :) |
| 11:20.17 | delirium | TBBle, still can't figure it out, how do I know which QT version I have to install ? |
| 11:20.59 | sh4dowcat | _uyio00: upgrading to 2.6.12? |
| 11:21.42 | _uyio00 | sh4dowcat: no, from 2.4.18-bf2.4 to 2.6.11 |
| 11:21.55 | sh4dowcat | heh damn |
| 11:22.07 | sh4dowcat | woody -> sarge I take it? |
| 11:22.13 | _uyio00 | yes |
| 11:22.24 | _uyio00 | no, sorry, woody->sid |
| 11:22.25 | sh4dowcat | you need to upgrade to sarge first before you do that |
| 11:22.27 | TBBle | delirium: apt-cache show kdelibs , look for Build-Depends |
| 11:22.31 | sh4dowcat | sid? |
| 11:22.32 | Gnea | don't forget module-init-tools |
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| 11:22.40 | TBBle | _rooted_: Try it as a user? Maybe being root overrides that too. |
| 11:22.56 | _rooted_ | yes that's it |
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| 11:23.23 | _uyio00 | yes, sid, but acyually don't know the ral process apart to substitute "stable" with "unstable" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:24.11 | sh4dowcat | uhh |
| 11:24.16 | sh4dowcat | then you shouldn't be running sid |
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| 11:24.45 | _uyio00 | how do I check what dist am I running? |
| 11:24.47 | Gnea | !woody->sarge |
| 11:24.52 | sh4dowcat | there's a lot more to sid than a mere string change in an apt source line |
| 11:24.53 | raf256 | should I use 2.8.11-1 (debian) or 2.8.12 vanilla when adding atopcnt and grsecurity patches and recompiling? |
| 11:25.06 | Gnea | !tell _uyio00 about woody->sarge |
| 11:25.14 | sh4dowcat | raf256: I use 2.6.11.11 |
| 11:25.22 | sh4dowcat | I'm not gonna upgrade to 2.6.12 just yet |
| 11:25.37 | sh4dowcat | something tells me there's gonna be a subpatch out for it |
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| 11:25.50 | TBBle | 2.6.12 needs a new udev, I understand. So I vota for 2.6.11-1 too. Or even 2.6.8 so it's security-supported in sarge. |
| 11:25.51 | Gnea | when isn't there? :) |
| 11:25.59 | _uyio00 | thanks Gnea, great!! |
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| 11:26.24 | Gnea | yup |
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| 11:27.49 | delirium | TBBle, kdelibs only has some ohter kdelib dependencies, libqt3-dev has a whole lot of dependencies, but kdelibs is not one of them, still they conflict |
| 11:27.59 | delirium | should I try to compile QT manually ? |
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| 11:28.06 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 11:28.09 | sh4dowcat | speaking of KDE |
| 11:28.17 | TBBle | delirium: Dear lord now. |
| 11:28.18 | TBBle | no |
| 11:28.22 | sh4dowcat | the whole KDE chain is still broken in debian AMD64 |
| 11:28.28 | TBBle | delirium: Umm... Weird. |
| 11:28.32 | delirium | indeed |
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| 11:28.46 | delirium | unless something is wrong with the QT3 package |
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| 11:28.58 | delirium | but I can't install QT2 or something |
| 11:29.23 | jimi | what runtime level is reboot? |
| 11:29.35 | eps | 1? |
| 11:29.39 | delirium | 6 I think |
| 11:29.48 | jimi | cool i think its 6 |
| 11:29.50 | Xenguy | jimi: 6 |
| 11:29.52 | TBBle | delirium: On Sarge, kdelibs4 depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4). i dunno what you're seeing, but it's there here. |
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| 11:30.32 | simonrvn | fuck, it's monday already? time flies when you're having fun |
| 11:30.52 | Humanoid | Is there any information on unix/posix conformance in Debian? |
| 11:30.55 | Gnea | heh |
| 11:31.18 | delirium | TBBle, that one is installed, and when installing kdelibs, it leaves that package alone |
| 11:31.37 | delirium | but the kbatt that I'm trying to install needs the QT3-dev package |
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| 11:31.47 | delirium | and that one I can't install :( |
| 11:31.59 | TBBle | delirium: Try adding -dev to that. |
| 11:32.22 | TBBle | !info libqt3c102-mt-dev |
| 11:32.41 | liable | hmm, why would aptitude want to remove tasksel in dist-upgrade, but apt-get doesnt. |
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| 11:33.09 | Gnea | Humanoid: only the first, it seems: http://ajt.iki.fi/travel/debian_conference/notes.html |
| 11:33.20 | TBBle | Hmm. That didn't work. |
| 11:33.39 | delirium | TBBle, no -dev, there's -ibase -mysql -obbc |
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| 11:34.35 | TBBle | delirium: apt-cache rdepends libqt3c102-mt |grep -- -dev |
| 11:34.38 | delirium | TBBle, what exactly do I need for the QT headers & libraries ? Do I need the libqt3-dev package or is there another way ? |
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| 11:35.24 | delirium | TBBle, qt3-dev-tools-embedded |
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| 11:35.24 | delirium | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.24 | delirium | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:36.18 | jimi | hey i was just installing debian on a new pc and i accidently hit esc in the video set up menu, how do i re-run this config utility? |
| 11:36.29 | dabreegster | Hey. Anybody using Bellsouth's dialup service and Internet Call Waiting with Linux? There doesn't seem to be an ICW client for Linux. |
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| 11:36.58 | liable | !drrx jimi |
| 11:37.07 | NeoTech | bucky: hehe updated the kernel to 2.6.8-2-686, then it couldnt boot nor mount the lvm drive.. =) *back to the 386 version then* ;) |
| 11:37.15 | liable | doh |
| 11:37.21 | Morpheus8 | jimi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 11:37.31 | jimi | liable: thanks |
| 11:37.38 | delirium | TBBle, qt3-dev-tools-embedded, qt3-dev-tools-compat, qt3-dev-tools, libqt3-mt-dev |
| 11:37.46 | jimi | Morpheus8: cheers |
| 11:37.51 | TBBle | delirium: That last one looks likely to me. |
| 11:37.58 | jim | only the delerious would have flooded like that... |
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| 11:39.02 | jim | delirium: so's ya know, that kinda stuff coulda been put on one line |
| 11:39.50 | delirium | jim: yes I know, but I don't like to put a lot of stuff on one line |
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| 11:41.04 | jim | delirium: then by all means, paste like that, get flooded and eventually quieted for awhile... I guess that's what they might do if you do that... |
| 11:41.06 | delirium | TBBle, that one is installed, but in ./configure of the kbatt program, it can't find qt, unless the directory has changed |
| 11:41.07 | jim | besides: |
| 11:41.32 | delirium | jim: ok, ok I got the point |
| 11:41.34 | jim | there's no programatic reason to choose horizontal over vertical |
| 11:41.38 | delirium | I got bigger problems right now |
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| 11:41.53 | jim | you you you... it's all about YOU :) |
| 11:42.20 | jim | not about the other 600 people here |
| 11:42.31 | delirium | I just get really agitated when my computer doesn't work |
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| 11:42.53 | jim | leave the agitation by the entrance to the channel :) |
| 11:42.55 | dabreegster | delirium: calm down. meditate. identify the problem then the source of it. |
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| 11:43.13 | TBBle | delirium: Beats me then. That's the package with the dev libraries in. Maybe the path is different. Is there a pkg-config or qt-config type program which supplies needed paths? |
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| 11:43.40 | dabreegster | jim: an op should put that in the topic |
| 11:43.40 | delirium | well, at least it's better when I was still running windows :p |
| 11:44.09 | dabreegster | Like, for instance, my problem. I'm trying to use Bellsouth's dialup service and their internet call waiting software, which isn't available for Linux. |
| 11:44.19 | delirium | that sux dude |
| 11:44.36 | cantona | anyone tried 2.6.12-mm1 and build nvidia driver? |
| 11:44.37 | delirium | I guess my problems are very little compared to others |
| 11:44.49 | dabreegster | If the Windows box was decent, I'd try and scan TCP packets. But the spyware is too heavy there. |
| 11:44.55 | dabreegster | Contacting Bellsouth is amusing. Amusing and pointless. |
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| 11:45.13 | intension | !hi |
| 11:45.14 | dpkg | hello, intension |
| 11:45.15 | dabreegster | delirium: Not really, it's basically something I've decided to try to solve because I'm bored and it's 6:45 AM. |
| 11:45.45 | delirium | well, I'm supposed to be working but I got bored as well :p |
| 11:45.56 | intension | hi dpkg |
| 11:46.23 | jim | dabreegster: what, about horiz versus vertical? maybe, but also people should think too :) |
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| 11:46.57 | jim | another push for latest kde? |
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| 11:47.08 | dabreegster | jim: About the thing ops should add to the topic? |
| 11:47.16 | jim | I heard something about experimental kde packages... |
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| 11:47.30 | delirium | TBBle, thank you very much for your help, maybe I'll give it another try some day and I might figure out what I'm doing wrong, until then it's not a disastre, I'll survive |
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| 11:47.40 | jim | 3.4.1 or something |
| 11:47.41 | TBBle | delirium: No wuckers. ^_^ |
| 11:47.44 | dabreegster | Hmm. |
| 11:47.59 | LemoNCake | hi |
| 11:48.25 | TBBle | jim: You could check the debian-kde mailing list archives. |
| 11:48.26 | delirium | uhh, this sux, now I don't feel like working, maybe I should entertain you guys :) |
| 11:48.27 | LemoNCake | who can help me to install speedtouch usb on debian sarge 3.1? |
| 11:48.41 | jim | you can always use fvwm... functional, very very light |
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| 11:49.10 | petemc | LemoNCake: thats fairly well documented as i remember it, have you read the stuff on sourceforge? |
| 11:49.30 | jim | TBBle: I'm mentioning them for you two,,, if you want that kde, maybe you could try them (and file bug reports if it causes your cpu to fall on your cat :) |
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| 11:50.36 | LemoNCake | petemc, i am a newbie, i have tried a lot of programs and script, but don't work |
| 11:50.59 | LemoNCake | is present on the web a ultimate guide to install speedtouch? |
| 11:51.10 | jim | LemoNCake: have you -found- the stuff on sourceforge? |
| 11:51.19 | petemc | LemoNCake: theres lots of info on the web, try having a wee search |
| 11:51.20 | LemoNCake | mmm |
| 11:51.43 | LemoNCake | i have found speedtouch.sourceforge.net |
| 11:51.44 | LemoNCake | but |
| 11:51.47 | LemoNCake | don't work |
| 11:51.56 | jim | that's meaningless |
| 11:52.03 | jim | why does it don't work/ |
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| 11:52.36 | LemoNCake | hhmmmmm i remember that when i open the package i have a trouble with apt |
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| 11:52.53 | jim | !sicco |
| 11:52.54 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 11:53.21 | lef | is there a good guide for setting up samba on debian? |
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| 11:53.54 | jim | LemoNCake: gotta come across with the information... otherwise it's us doing it all for you |
| 11:54.06 | lef | !research |
| 11:54.06 | dpkg | hmm... research is what the internet is a tool for... the more you can use it (search the web or databases, find applicable reading material, reading that material, looking in there for references to others), the more independent you will be. Ask me about sicco and cooperation in asking for help. |
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| 11:54.24 | lef | !cooperation |
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| 11:54.44 | jim | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 11:54.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, cooperation in asking for help is trying to give as much relevent information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about SICCO and research. abbreviated as cia |
| 11:55.02 | petemc | ETOOMANYFACTOIDS |
| 11:55.10 | jim | that factoid name is kinda long :P |
| 11:55.12 | lef | jaja |
| 11:55.18 | akbg | !sicco in asking for help |
| 11:55.31 | delirium | LemoNCake, what's the problem you have with apt ? |
| 11:55.39 | LemoNCake | a .deb package that install the driver and install a program that run the connection it's a dream |
| 11:55.41 | akbg | mmh. |
| 11:55.41 | LemoNCake | :D |
| 11:55.47 | jim | I guess they all apply to this situation :) |
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| 11:56.08 | akbg | LemoNCake: you are here too? :> |
| 11:56.16 | LemoNCake | yeah :°° |
| 11:56.26 | akbg | LemoNCake: eciadsl? |
| 11:56.31 | LemoNCake | no |
| 11:56.33 | LemoNCake | speedtouch |
| 11:56.43 | LemoNCake | is not included in eciadsl drivers |
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| 11:56.57 | akbg | ah |
| 11:57.04 | akbg | and what's your problem? |
| 11:57.39 | LemoNCake | i can't found a script or a driver or anything for my speedtouch |
| 11:57.40 | jim | LemoNCake: Care to be specific about your problem? what is the history? give a list of everything you did and read about this... for everything you did, what was the result (did it work/not work/didn't matter/WHAT?), and for everything you read, how did you apply what you read to what you did? |
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| 11:57.57 | LemoNCake | ok jim |
| 11:58.06 | akbg | LemoNCake: alcatel, no? |
| 11:58.11 | LemoNCake | yes |
| 11:58.13 | renegad3 | Im setting up debian sarge on a toshiba A75 S209 and the keyboard doesnt work. It works once the loader comes up, then when it goes to select your country it doesnt... any suggestions?? are there any options that I can set on what type of keyboard im using? |
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| 11:58.47 | jim | notice the pattern... the less info you volunteer, the more info we need or would find convenient to help with your problem |
| 11:58.51 | LemoNCake | yes akbg |
| 11:58.53 | jim | so please... |
| 11:58.57 | jim | -wake up- |
| 12:00.02 | akbg | LemoNCake: http://www.speedtouchdsl.com/support.htm |
| 12:00.05 | jim | LemoNCake: look at how specific renegad3 was |
| 12:00.33 | renegad3 | jim is that a good thing ;) |
| 12:00.38 | jim | yes! |
| 12:01.18 | jim | you're going to (1) get help faster and (2) it won't be hard to do so (3) a larger pool of helpers would be available to help |
| 12:01.40 | LemoNCake | i will be crazy man :D |
| 12:01.52 | positrix | jim: and (4) people are more loikely to WANT to help |
| 12:02.03 | jim | yes, RIGHT |
| 12:02.09 | delirium | come on LemoNCake, how hard can it be, just tell us what you did and what went wrong ? |
| 12:02.10 | akbg | LemoNCake: your speedtouch is a manta? |
| 12:02.14 | jim | that's more to my point too |
| 12:02.21 | LemoNCake | yes akbg |
| 12:02.56 | LemoNCake | delirium, i've crashed the motherboard with hard kick last summer for the same problem :D |
| 12:03.06 | jim | kick? |
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| 12:03.12 | LemoNCake | yes |
| 12:03.12 | delirium | LemoNCake is pissing me off :| |
| 12:03.15 | paulswm | jim is correct, a vague question or the liberal use of the enter key will have a hegative effeect, most people don't like squining at scrollbacks to put together the question, or playing twenty questions. |
| 12:03.37 | jim | you want people to want to help you... |
| 12:04.10 | jim | you don't want it to feel to them like a huge chore... |
| 12:04.12 | akbg | LemoNCake: go to sourceforge and search for "manta" or "speedtouch" |
| 12:04.15 | LemoNCake | delirium, ok, i've tryed script in terminal but when i start it, it's stop on loading of firmware |
| 12:04.23 | akbg | and go here: http://www.spixlug.it/stage00/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=220&forum=3 |
| 12:04.25 | renegad3 | it also helps reading the IRC guidelines... which ive done :) |
| 12:04.33 | akbg | and search on google newsgroups :P |
| 12:04.34 | delirium | wow, we're getting somewhere :) |
| 12:04.47 | jim | LemoNCake: nicely done... anything else you can think of that might help? |
| 12:04.57 | paulswm | And impatience doesn't help, "Tsay on topic and answer my fucking question" didn't elicit a very enthusiastic repsonse yesterday :P |
| 12:05.23 | subvertir | He probably didn't know what tsay means |
| 12:05.36 | jim | ahh yes, myren |
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| 12:05.44 | intension | does m$ f word read .rtf ? |
| 12:05.51 | subvertir | yes |
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| 12:05.54 | akbg | intension: of course |
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| 12:05.56 | Zero_Kelvin | Hiyo! |
| 12:06.01 | jim | they invented it |
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| 12:06.21 | jim | or mroe likely bought it |
| 12:06.31 | akbg | xml is the future :P |
| 12:06.42 | akbg | standard and well supported |
| 12:06.44 | intension | akbg you make it sound like its naturally compatible , hehe |
| 12:06.44 | jim | too bad it isnt' the present :P |
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| 12:06.50 | orchid | jim: no they inovated it |
| 12:06.55 | Zero_Kelvin | Got a problem with KDM guys. On boot it loads KDM okay - can hear it autologin - but there's no screen until I ctrl-alt-backspace back to KDM. Can start it fine with /etc/init.d/kdm. Any ideas? |
| 12:07.09 | deepz | i have a problem in webmin-squid |
| 12:07.15 | tarzeau | intension: also textedit.app does |
| 12:07.29 | deepz | when i give my machine ip :port number in browser |
| 12:07.33 | tarzeau | jim: know who they bought it from? |
| 12:07.39 | intension | thanks tarzeau |
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| 12:07.51 | delirium | LemoNCake, did you download Thomson's modem firmware ? |
| 12:07.53 | deepz | i get message Error - Access denied for ip_address |
| 12:07.54 | tarzeau | orchid: and who used it really, aside NeXT Inc. ? |
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| 12:07.57 | jim | no, I dont' even know if. I'm just claiming it's more likely on average |
| 12:08.05 | Guerin | deepz: don't use webmin. |
| 12:08.11 | deepz | why |
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| 12:08.34 | deepz | guerin:?? |
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| 12:09.26 | tzafrir | deepz, because aparantly it has problems ;-) |
| 12:09.45 | Zero_Kelvin | I've had this same problem with Debian and XFree86 4.3 and Gentoo with Xorg 6.8.2 so I know it's not exclusive to my current distro. |
| 12:09.47 | jim | deepz: two different reasons... one, webmin has been known to mess up config files occasionally... and two, it makes it too easy to change things that ought to be set-and-forget |
| 12:09.52 | jim | and there's a three too |
| 12:09.58 | NeoTech | anyone knows if the Kernel Module that can take memtest86 logfiles and run the box with a corrupt memory modules - exists as a package? |
| 12:09.58 | LemoNCake | delirium, yes |
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| 12:10.05 | tzafrir | deepz, in the default config of webmin it denies access to all addresses |
| 12:10.26 | deepz | ok thks dude |
| 12:10.37 | deepz | il edit the squid.conf file directly |
| 12:10.46 | tzafrir | sorry: all but localhost |
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| 12:10.53 | jim | three, since it makes it easy to change those things, you generally don't learn stuff that might be useful down the road |
| 12:10.53 | jimi | hey when i use apt to get headers for a newer kernel, does it just send a diff and "merge" the two together? |
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| 12:11.10 | tzafrir | for my small linux distro I wrote the minor scripts to edit its config and allow all |
| 12:11.47 | Guerin | deepz: don't use webmin. It's shit. Read the instructions for adding an acl in squid; they're not complicated. |
| 12:11.50 | delirium | LemoNCake, when you run the script, does it just stop or does it give some kind of error ? |
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| 12:12.14 | Guerin | deepz: you DO need to add your ip address to a group and explicitly allow that group in squid.conf |
| 12:12.18 | LemoNCake | no |
| 12:12.20 | LemoNCake | delirium |
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| 12:12.26 | LemoNCake | , when i run the script |
| 12:12.29 | LemoNCake | it stop |
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| 12:12.30 | Zero_Kelvin | I asked in channel KDE but they're very quiet. |
| 12:12.34 | tzafrir | sed -i -e '/^allow=/d' /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf |
| 12:12.40 | jimi | what is hw_random? |
| 12:12.40 | LemoNCake | but it don't give error |
| 12:12.50 | positrix | the power supply on my laptop is "dodgy" so it powers off a lot. this leads to lengthy fsck-ing. i im intending to upgrade my root partition to ext3, (just like my /home partition) in order to reduce the amount of lengthy fsking. is there a way to do this without having to re-install? |
| 12:12.52 | jim | sleepy peeps in the kde sheeps |
| 12:13.11 | tzafrir | deepz, try the above one-liner |
| 12:13.16 | jim | positrix: that's bad bad bad news for your battery... |
| 12:13.36 | deepz | i ahve written localhost and its given me access |
| 12:13.39 | positrix | jim: my battery last about 30-45 mins |
| 12:13.54 | deepz | however i will not edit the file as per ur instructions |
| 12:14.02 | LemoNCake | delirium, it just stop, don't give errors. |
| 12:14.08 | delirium | LemoNCake, it's the 'speedtouch-setup' script that you're running right ? |
| 12:14.10 | jim | which isn't horrible, I guess.... what power supply you talking about btw. |
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| 12:14.32 | jim | the one that plugs in the wall and hooks to the laptop with a cable? |
| 12:14.37 | LemoNCake | yes, speedtouchconf.sh |
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| 12:14.50 | LemoNCake | yes delirium, speedtouchconf.sh |
| 12:15.03 | jim | you like your speedtouch? |
| 12:15.04 | krisna | hi |
| 12:15.08 | tzafrir | jimi, H/W Random Number Generator (RNG) driver. Or so claims modinfo |
| 12:15.09 | krisna | help with partimage |
| 12:15.18 | jim | krisna: hare! |
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| 12:15.43 | LemoNCake | jim, no i hate it, but i don't have money to buy a ethernet modem. |
| 12:15.44 | krisna | I backed up a windows partition using partimagehack |
| 12:16.05 | positrix | jim: the battery runs down quicklyuk, so sometimes it just runs out of juice. there is no fan, so sometimes it overheats, and recently, the ac-power adapter only seems to be working intermittently. |
| 12:16.05 | jim | ok |
| 12:16.11 | krisna | when I try to restore it, it gave me an error: "not a valid Partition Image" |
| 12:16.19 | krisna | pointer? |
| 12:16.28 | jim | positrix: check the cables |
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| 12:16.40 | jim | sometimes that part is due to cheap ones |
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| 12:17.01 | jim | positrix: umm... as long as we're on this, which laptop you got? |
| 12:17.20 | deepz | does anybody know how to associate snmpd in sarge with operating system |
| 12:17.24 | traveller | how big should the testing dvd image be? i'm trying to download it with jigdo-lite but was told it is incomplete, the .iso.tmp file is 4.4GB big |
| 12:17.53 | ackron | does anyone now what happened to non-us of unstable? |
| 12:17.54 | Gnea | traveller: does it match the md5sum? |
| 12:17.58 | positrix | jim: an old toshiba satellite (4 years or so i think) |
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| 12:18.01 | traveller | Gnea: no |
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| 12:18.04 | Gnea | ackron: it no longer exists. |
| 12:18.05 | bobbens | !topicsmite ackron |
| 12:18.06 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ackron. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 12:18.08 | wavefarer | ackron: Check the topic |
| 12:18.11 | jimi | tzafrir: thanks, im getting an error for it on my laptop - must not have a hardware rand generator |
| 12:18.42 | delirium | LemoNCake, I have no idea, if there was some kind of error it would be easier, my guess is the script was unable to load the firmware correctly, that's why it crashed |
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| 12:18.50 | jim | positrix: sorry you're going thru problems... |
| 12:18.55 | Gnea | traveller: not sure.. |
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| 12:19.02 | deepz | does anybody know how to associate snmpd in sarge with operating system |
| 12:19.08 | traveller | Gnea: should i retry downloading with jigdo with a different mirror? |
| 12:19.08 | Gnea | c/t |
| 12:19.21 | Gnea | traveller: yeah |
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| 12:19.29 | traveller | Gnea: alright, thanks |
| 12:19.30 | deepz | how to configure snmpd |
| 12:19.34 | LemoNCake | ok delirium |
| 12:19.48 | jim | traveller: I guess if you do that and the jigdoo stuff is all the same, it's supposed to try to update your image, right? |
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| 12:20.32 | traveller | jim: from what i understand jigdo will try to complete the existing file |
| 12:20.32 | black13 | where would i find the source for Xwrapper |
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| 12:21.00 | Gnea | black13: with the X source |
| 12:21.03 | positrix | jim: so is there a way to get my root partition from ext2 to ext3 without re-installing? i have a small (256/64k) broadband connection and would like to avoid re-downloading everything (i did a net-install) |
| 12:21.15 | Zero_Kelvin | Nobody else has had this problem? KDM starts, but there's no screen? No errors in my X log either. |
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| 12:21.37 | cahoot | positrix: man tune2fs |
| 12:22.09 | Gnea | Zero_Kelvin: nail kdm and do a X >& X.log from console |
| 12:22.15 | black13 | Gnea, thanks was it phased ot with xorg? |
| 12:22.22 | Gnea | er |
| 12:22.33 | nothingmuch | positrix: ext2 <-> ext3 is very easy... ext3 has a journal file, and is mounted with different options, but aside from that they are the same |
| 12:22.35 | Gnea | black13: dunno, haven't used xorg |
| 12:22.37 | Gnea | !xorg |
| 12:22.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
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| 12:23.11 | Zero_Kelvin | brb |
| 12:23.13 | black13 | Gnea, still thanks again |
| 12:23.17 | Gnea | np |
| 12:23.31 | jim | positrix: I believe there is: I don't know the details but aiui you put a journal in there, and then I think you can mount it as ext3 |
| 12:23.39 | ackron | Gnea: I can see it no longer exists but I'm looking for some links docs what happened to since thats not listed in the topic :p |
| 12:24.01 | Guerin | positrix: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
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| 12:24.20 | Gnea | ackron: ya lost me, what were we talking about? |
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| 12:24.52 | thomas_adam | webmin is just evil -- think about it. It allows one to edit *DNS* config files, FFS. |
| 12:24.58 | ackron | Gnea: Non-us I can read the topic but looking for some docs links as to why it's gone in unstable |
| 12:25.04 | Gnea | oh oh |
| 12:25.05 | Gnea | yeah |
| 12:25.07 | Gnea | it's just *gone* |
| 12:25.11 | traveller | i'm trying to download the amd64 packages and jigdo is reporting a lot of 404, is the amd64 usable? |
| 12:25.12 | Guerin | !rtfrn |
| 12:25.12 | dpkg | somebody said rtfrn was Read the Flatulant Release Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 12:25.15 | Gnea | so just comment it out and move on |
| 12:25.49 | Guerin | ackron: ^^^^ |
| 12:25.49 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 12:25.49 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 12:25.49 | jim | thomas_adam: webmin is modular... you could leave certain modules out |
| 12:25.59 | Guerin | jim: leaving them all out would be ideal. |
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| 12:26.24 | traveller | ah ok, i'll have a look at that, thanks |
| 12:26.32 | thomas_adam | jim: That's not the point -- the means is _still_ there -- and that's a bad thing. DNS is not meant to be for one man and his dog. It effectively means _any_ cluebie could start dicking with it, without understanding a thing. |
| 12:26.33 | Guerin | !alicekill dabreegster |
| 12:26.37 | thomas_adam | dabreegster: Moron. |
| 12:26.54 | delirium | I hate mondays |
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| 12:27.02 | Zero_Kelvin | Hiyo! |
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| 12:27.14 | rikva | dabreegster, what's up? |
| 12:27.28 | thomas_adam | Then there's the whole security issue with webmin... ugh. Webmin must die, it must die. |
| 12:27.30 | Guerin | rikva: that's his way of saying 'I'm a fucking useless twat!' |
| 12:27.39 | rikva | Guerin: ah, thanks. |
| 12:27.43 | Zero_Kelvin | I'll dump my X.log into Flood. Doesn't say much but you never know, one of you guys might be able to spot the problem. X loaded fine by the way. |
| 12:27.59 | Guerin | Zero_Kelvin: put it on a httpd, not in #flood |
| 12:28.00 | black13 | my daughters stinking cat wont shutup |
| 12:28.07 | Gnea | Zero_Kelvin: wait |
| 12:28.11 | jim | smelly cat... |
| 12:28.12 | jim | smelly cat... |
| 12:28.13 | Guerin | Zero_Kelvin: some people acually use #flood for meaningful stuff |
| 12:28.18 | jim | what are they feeding you? |
| 12:28.20 | Gnea | black13: fuckit :) |
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| 12:28.44 | Gnea | j/k lol |
| 12:28.44 | dabreegster | thomas_adam: what? the ping? |
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| 12:28.51 | thomas_adam | dabreegster: No. |
| 12:28.54 | dabreegster | rikva: Hey. Nothing. I stayed up all night. |
| 12:29.00 | thomas_adam | dabreegster: Of course the ping! |
| 12:29.09 | Gnea | Zero_Kelvin: you got a grey screen and cursor then? kdm is at fault then |
| 12:29.19 | dabreegster | Whoa, wait, what'd I do? The /ctcp ping was purely to get my long down from 240 to 23. |
| 12:29.20 | Zero_Kelvin | Like I said before, it's on a Gentoo system but I had the same problem with Debian and XFree86 4.3, and the Gentoo guys don't seem as helpful as you guys. :) |
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| 12:29.32 | dabreegster | Oops. |
| 12:29.33 | renegad3 | I want to pass the "bootkbd=" at the sarge install, what option is there for a 85-key keyboard? |
| 12:29.42 | dabreegster | I guess that was a bit dumb. |
| 12:29.43 | Gnea | dabreegster: go ping another channel then |
| 12:29.51 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 12:29.51 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 12:29.57 | dabreegster | Gnea: Terribly sorry. |
| 12:29.58 | Zero_Kelvin | Gnea: I thought it might be but I can't figure out why it works okay manually, just not at boot. |
| 12:30.04 | Gnea | dabreegster: no problem :) |
| 12:30.17 | Guerin | Zero_Kelvin: sorry, dude, there's a hundred different unknown variables between debian and gentoo. |
| 12:30.19 | Gnea | Zero_Kelvin: gentoo's not supporting their own shit eh? |
| 12:30.33 | Guerin | dabreegster: go ping #freenode |
| 12:30.34 | thomas_adam | dpkg, they don't know =~ s/question/question, it/ |
| 12:30.34 | dpkg | thomas_adam: OK |
| 12:30.40 | Guerin | dabreegster: or #123 |
| 12:30.46 | dabreegster | It did work though. |
| 12:30.49 | dabreegster | Guerin: OK. Again, sorry. |
| 12:30.50 | balony | How is LVC preforming compared to other Sun and BSD solutions? |
| 12:30.57 | Zero_Kelvin | Gnea: Well I did try KDE because it seemed so much more appropriate but that channel seems always dead. Maybe it's just the time of day. {shrug} |
| 12:30.59 | balony | LVS I mean |
| 12:31.04 | deepz | can i block msn messenger from squid |
| 12:31.12 | thomas_adam | deepz: Yes. |
| 12:31.17 | Guerin | deepz: I can. Can you? |
| 12:31.20 | deepz | how do i do that |
| 12:31.37 | thomas_adam | deepz: If you can't follow the comments in the squid.conf file.... |
| 12:31.39 | deepz | because it does not use specific port as such |
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| 12:32.00 | leo_ | is there a debian-perl channel? |
| 12:32.08 | thomas_adam | leo_: Just =perl. |
| 12:32.17 | Guerin | leo_: nope. In here if it's debian-specific, #perl if it's generic. |
| 12:32.18 | dabreegster | leo_: debian-perl? there's #debian and there's #perl... |
| 12:32.20 | thomas_adam | leo_: Although you could have done: /J #debain-perl to find out. |
| 12:32.26 | leo_ | i did |
| 12:32.34 | leo_ | it's about perl packages in debian specific |
| 12:32.34 | thomas_adam | leo_: So you got your answer, then. |
| 12:32.38 | deepz | hey guys tell me how do i do it |
| 12:32.50 | dabreegster | leo_: also #perlcafe for amusing off-topic discussions |
| 12:32.51 | deepz | guerin |
| 12:33.04 | Guerin | deepz: squid.conf is potentially the best-commented config files you will ever see. Read it. |
| 12:33.05 | thomas_adam | Amusing, eh? :) |
| 12:33.17 | Gnea | Zero_Kelvin: that's possible - have you tried another dm? |
| 12:33.27 | jim | hey, who's Ain Murdoch? |
| 12:33.31 | thomas_adam | Probably no more so than the qotd listings. |
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| 12:33.41 | thomas_adam | jim: Ian? |
| 12:33.50 | jim | ohhh :) |
| 12:33.54 | jim | yeah |
| 12:33.56 | deepz | k |
| 12:34.01 | thomas_adam | jim: I do hope you're joking. |
| 12:34.03 | dabreegster | jim: Ian Murdoch, methinks. |
| 12:34.03 | deepz | il read it once more |
| 12:34.04 | dabreegster | !tell jim about debain |
| 12:34.05 | jim | I am :) |
| 12:34.14 | Gnea | ethics: 'morning |
| 12:34.16 | Guerin | Ian Murdock |
| 12:34.17 | deepz | however if i do not get it ul help |
| 12:34.18 | Guerin | itym |
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| 12:34.28 | jim | dabreegster: now do the same to thomas_adam |
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| 12:34.39 | LargeSandwich | I have a directory that has rw for group, owner and other. No of the users can add files or edit files unless I set the directory to excutable, what am i missing? |
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| 12:34.44 | jimi | how come my custom display resolution is not being used, i have edited XFree86-4 file... |
| 12:34.45 | thomas_adam | dabreegster: If you're going to do something useful, at least *pick* *the* *right* *factoid*. |
| 12:34.52 | Zero_Kelvin | Gnea: Sorry, dm? You mean XDM or GDM? No, I'm trying to keep this system all KDE simply for the sake of "continuity". :) |
| 12:34.59 | thomas_adam | jimi: How so? |
| 12:34.59 | ce_sumatra | hai |
| 12:35.00 | ethics | gnea umm night here actually 8) |
| 12:35.00 | dabreegster | thomas_adam: That is, I believe.. |
| 12:35.03 | thomas_adam | jimi: Check your logs? |
| 12:35.13 | Gnea | Zero_Kelvin: right, xdm or gdm. doesn't matter at this point now does it? :) |
| 12:35.16 | jimi | thomas_adam: which log would be most appropriate? |
| 12:35.26 | cahoot | <thomas_adam> leo_: Although you could have done: /J #debain-perl to find out. |
| 12:35.28 | thomas_adam | jimi: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 12:35.30 | ethics | gnea im on most of the day now hehe |
| 12:35.35 | Gnea | ethics: oh, before midnight? ;) |
| 12:35.36 | thomas_adam | cahoot: Yes? |
| 12:35.53 | ethics | gnea yeah 1030 pm ish...melb |
| 12:35.56 | Zero_Kelvin | Gnea: That's okay, I'll leave before someone gets annoyed at me asking about my "gentoo" problem. ;) |
| 12:35.58 | Gnea | ah |
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| 12:36.02 | dabreegster | thomas_adam: It explains that it isn't debain and that the first DPL was Ian, not Ain. Sounds about right. |
| 12:36.16 | Gnea | what a moron. |
| 12:36.16 | ce_sumatra | hai |
| 12:36.38 | ethics | bah i didnt get to smite him 8(\\ |
| 12:36.53 | Gnea | heh |
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| 12:36.56 | jimi | thomas_adam: it seems to set it to 1024x768, as though its not even looking at my xfree file... |
| 12:37.07 | jimi | thomas_adam: as indicated by the log |
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| 12:37.24 | thomas_adam | jimi: So pastebin your XF86Config-4 file, along with the relevant parts of your XFree86.0.log. |
| 12:37.26 | ethics | well i think ive found a few of the bugs in gnome 2.10 hehe but im happy wwith it so far 8) |
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| 12:37.43 | jimi | thomas_adam: pastebin? |
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| 12:38.23 | Guerin | i'm really happy with evilwm |
| 12:38.29 | positrix | thanks all |
| 12:38.32 | Guerin | as far as I'm aware, it has no bugs |
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| 12:39.17 | thomas_adam | jimi: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 12:40.03 | SuperSox | A |
| 12:40.10 | thomas_adam | B |
| 12:40.14 | delirium | C |
| 12:40.18 | ethics | guerin: it could just be my system im checking bts atm.. logging out hangs but thats only since some sound changes so i think thats me...and just a theme issue which could be the theme |
| 12:40.19 | jim | D |
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| 12:40.37 | jim | argh :P too late |
| 12:40.48 | ethics | guerin nothing functionality i dont think |
| 12:40.55 | BeBoo | Hmm, what can cause the sound to "lag"? ie in tuxracer, when i pick up a fish, the sound comes like 1 second after - what can cause that? |
| 12:41.01 | delirium | uh, there's a jim and a jimi, damn, it thought there was only one |
| 12:41.11 | Guerin | BeBoo: using artsd or esd? |
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| 12:41.17 | jim | well I'm the bass player :P |
| 12:41.38 | Guerin | jim: c'mon, everyone knows the bass player was Otis |
| 12:41.54 | BeBoo | Hmm, not sure |
| 12:42.04 | jim | otis redding? |
| 12:42.14 | delirium | BeBoo, maybe you have to set a bigger buffer |
| 12:42.19 | jimi | thomas_adam: http://rafb.net/paste/results/iFDGzL32.html |
| 12:42.21 | ethics | no he played trumpet |
| 12:42.43 | Guerin | heh, yeah |
| 12:42.49 | ethics | and probably harp or something else |
| 12:42.56 | BeBoo | delirium, how do i do that? |
| 12:43.03 | Guerin | because the JHE recorded a lot of stuff with trumpet in |
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| 12:43.45 | Guerin | but you've fallen into my trap |
| 12:43.56 | Guerin | since it was in fact NOEL redding |
| 12:44.02 | delirium | BeBoo, I don't know, euh |
| 12:44.07 | jim | Jimi and Miles were gonna get together |
| 12:44.25 | Guerin | jim: battle of the egomaniacs |
| 12:44.34 | jim | maybe |
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| 12:44.45 | Guerin | jim: all they'd need is robert plant and they'd be set up and good |
| 12:44.51 | thomas_adam | jimi: No idea. |
| 12:44.51 | jim | heh |
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| 12:44.57 | jim | that would have been cool |
| 12:45.05 | renegad3 | im trying to pre-select a keyboard before installation as the debain installer is having trouble with my laptop keyboard, I know that I have to use the option bootkbd="option", but I dont know a keyboard type, I know I have a 85-key keyboard. does anyone what the option is. I have googled but am unsuccessful :( any help or link would be appreciated. |
| 12:45.06 | Guerin | no, it would have been painful |
| 12:45.24 | jimi | thomas_adam: haha nice, i'll keep trying |
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| 12:45.51 | jim | but if you wanted battle of the overly pretentious, you'd have to add Keith Jarrett and David Lee Roth |
| 12:46.12 | Guerin | Gene Simmons |
| 12:46.32 | jim | maybe, but he didn't seem like an asshole like Roth is |
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| 12:48.04 | ethics | abandonware is the coolest heheh games for linux a plenty...dosbox hehe |
| 12:48.46 | cahoot | jim: you expect a genius to be nice? |
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| 12:49.06 | jimi | i found a line in the log file that says this: "not using mode "1280x800" (no mode of this name)" |
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| 12:49.20 | thomas_adam | jimi: So reduce it. |
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| 12:49.38 | jim | Roth? genius?? majorly unprofessional. |
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| 12:49.43 | jimi | thomas_adam: im using a laptop, and that resoulion is its native size |
| 12:49.44 | intension | i read humanoid will be commercialy available as soon as speach recognition (sphinx) is mature enough :) |
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| 12:50.04 | black13 | i can search online for debian packages can't i? |
| 12:50.14 | thomas_adam | black13: packages.debian.org |
| 12:50.15 | js | black13: packages.debian.org |
| 12:50.50 | ethics | black13........yes.......... |
| 12:50.58 | ethics | 8) |
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| 12:51.12 | intension | you all know 50% of the worlds humanoids manufacturers are running linux as their os right ? |
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| 12:51.38 | ethics | its not the humanoids that worries me its the managers... |
| 12:51.44 | ethics | 8) |
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| 12:52.55 | jimi | thomas_adam: ahah! i needed this modeline: Modeline "1280x800" 83.91 1280 1312 1624 1656 800 816 824 841 |
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| 12:53.14 | Guerin | jim: where'd you get those magic numbers from? |
| 12:53.15 | black13 | ethics, thanks not able to find xwrapper as package or part of a package |
| 12:53.33 | jim | me? no, you want hendrix over there ;) |
| 12:53.47 | ethics | black13 ahh kk apt-cache can do it i think...-S maybe on it? |
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| 12:53.55 | jimi | Guerin: rnd |
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| 12:54.19 | black13 | ethics, but the package would have already be installed for that to work? |
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| 12:55.49 | caphuso | damnit... kernel BUG at net/core/dev.c:3104! |
| 12:56.03 | black13 | i find plenty of references to debian and xwrapper but the seem to be dated ... |
| 12:56.06 | boycer | black13: /msg dpkg find xwrapper |
| 12:56.07 | Noid | my /bin/sh is a symlink to bash, and when trying to run some things i get a /bin/sh: bad interpreter error, i assume i need a genuine sh binary? |
| 12:56.26 | thomas_adam | Noid: No. |
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| 12:56.39 | caphuso | Noid: /msg dpkg bad interpreter |
| 12:56.53 | caphuso | oh, great, ifconfig hangs |
| 12:56.54 | black13 | boycer, thanks |
| 12:57.05 | Noid | i see, thanks |
| 12:57.26 | caphuso | shit... this needs a reboot :-/ |
| 12:57.29 | ethics | black13: yeah i think im thinking dpkg....dont see an option in apt-cache...i think the bot here can do it tho |
| 12:57.37 | asg | !reboot caphuso |
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| 12:58.02 | jimi | is there someting wrong with this server? |
| 12:58.18 | thomas_adam | jimi: Always. |
| 12:58.20 | black13 | i wonder if xwrapper is still something being actively used |
| 12:58.21 | boycer | jimi: generally? |
| 12:58.51 | jimi | just seems people are dropping off, and i see "!lilo:*! Reboot of Australian server; affected users, 170" |
| 12:59.07 | delirium | i didn't see any of that |
| 12:59.08 | black13 | i am using rungetty and i can launch x easily but as root, that is probably a bad idea |
| 12:59.08 | thomas_adam | jimi: It's Freenode - what do you expect? |
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| 12:59.28 | coywolf | !udev |
| 12:59.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 12:59.30 | takatumi | thomas_adam! |
| 12:59.34 | Stereo | hi guys |
| 12:59.39 | thomas_adam | takatumi: :) |
| 12:59.50 | black13 | i want to run x11 as non-privileged user |
| 12:59.53 | TBBle | Huh? Someone rebooted a server in Australia? And no one warned me? |
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| 12:59.59 | Stereo | I need to store a lot of small files, mostly symlinks on a disk |
| 13:00.02 | thomas_adam | black13: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 13:00.02 | takatumi | udev actually ain't that bad. |
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| 13:00.42 | Stereo | xfs has an overhead of 25%, i.e. 8G of data + symlinks takes 10G. Is there a file system out there that is better at stuff like this? |
| 13:01.17 | black13 | thomas_adam, that installed the binary for xrapper not the source |
| 13:01.18 | ethics | Stereo they all have ups and downs...do you want performance or reliability? |
| 13:01.28 | thomas_adam | black13: What are you trying to do? |
| 13:01.34 | thomas_adam | (dare I ask.) |
| 13:01.45 | intension | Stereo did you Specify the bytes/inode ratio. |
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| 13:02.20 | black13 | thomas_adam, you wont give me the speech i sometimes get about derivative works will you :) |
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| 13:02.31 | thomas_adam | black13: Just tell me. |
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| 13:03.10 | black13 | thomas_adam, i am using debian sarge i have build a small distro that i am using for a slot machine |
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| 13:03.20 | thomas_adam | Ugh. |
| 13:03.24 | black13 | thomas_adam, i hand build xorg |
| 13:03.26 | thomas_adam | black13: Go on... |
| 13:03.34 | thomas_adam | black13: Xorg is not supported here. |
| 13:03.41 | black13 | thomas_adam, i get that alot |
| 13:03.49 | thomas_adam | black13: You'll get it again... |
| 13:03.50 | thomas_adam | black13: Xorg is not supported here. |
| 13:03.55 | delirium | lol |
| 13:03.57 | thomas_adam | And again... |
| 13:03.58 | thomas_adam | black13: Xorg is not supported here. |
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| 13:04.18 | asg | black13: were non of the 85 xorg people in #xorg helpful? |
| 13:04.24 | black13 | thomas_adam, even so i have found more useful advice here than probably any of the other channels |
| 13:04.35 | thomas_adam | !tell black13 -about they don't know |
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| 13:05.00 | black13 | asg, the are all busy working on xorg and durnig this time of the day they are at work |
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| 13:05.46 | takatumi | black13: there should be packages available pretty soon now, just wait a while. |
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| 13:06.10 | black13 | unfortunately, wait is not in my bosses vocabulary |
| 13:06.36 | spdf | Why does it have to be Xorg? |
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| 13:06.58 | black13 | spdf, because the xorg peope dont like to talk about xfree |
| 13:06.58 | TBBle | black13: I think that leaves you between your boss and a hard task... |
| 13:07.10 | takatumi | black13: huh? |
| 13:07.13 | spdf | black13, Why do you -have- to use Xorg for your slot machine? |
| 13:07.14 | black13 | TBBle, thats funny |
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| 13:07.59 | takatumi | "xorg peope dont like to talk about xfree" wtf is that? |
| 13:08.09 | black13 | spdf, actually i plan to ditch xorg/x11 eventually and use pure SDL |
| 13:08.19 | asg | takatumi: they probably don't support older xfree |
| 13:08.23 | boycer | "#debian people don't like to talk about ubuntu"... :) |
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| 13:09.07 | black13 | spdf, its a bidggin measuer for now i can use xorg and use the legacy java based slot software then whille that is still being used developer an sdl based slot software |
| 13:09.16 | takatumi | asg: oh, in the channel. I thought that was his reason for his boss to insist on xorg. |
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| 13:09.43 | delirium | wait, you're actually building a slot machine ? |
| 13:09.51 | asg | takatumi: *shrug* dunno. |
| 13:10.01 | black13 | spdf, i may just say to heack with it and the game runs as root .... which does seem to do fine |
| 13:10.44 | spdf | black13, I imagine as long as there isn't a keyboard hooked up, you aren't going to have much of a problem.. |
| 13:11.18 | black13 | spdf, no keyboard no mouse unless if the machine is in maintanence mode |
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| 13:11.58 | black13 | and linux is such a bargain and debian is so rock solid |
| 13:12.12 | capu | Hello people! |
| 13:12.22 | spdf | Ham! |
| 13:12.28 | capu | im trying to "apt-get install tk8.42" |
| 13:12.41 | capu | but im getting an error, saying another programs dependancy isn't met |
| 13:12.49 | asg | capu: apt-get update |
| 13:12.58 | capu | ok |
| 13:13.20 | capu | asg: done |
| 13:13.29 | asg | capu: apt-get install tk8.4 |
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| 13:13.36 | capu | same error message |
| 13:13.53 | asg | capu: then your sources are screwed. Are you running sid? |
| 13:14.07 | capu | apt-get install tk8.4 |
| 13:14.07 | capu | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 13:14.07 | capu | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 13:14.07 | capu | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 13:14.07 | capu | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 13:14.14 | spdf | Jeez.. |
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| 13:14.24 | capu | haha didn't think about that |
| 13:14.30 | asg | capu: have you typed 'apt-get -f install' yet? |
| 13:14.31 | takatumi | capu: did you do as suggested? |
| 13:14.46 | capu | apt-get -f install : i'll try that now |
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| 13:15.11 | takatumi | greycat would have *plonked* by now. |
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| 13:15.22 | capu | it worked! thanks asg |
| 13:15.30 | asg | takatumi: not yet, unless he was in a pissy mood |
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| 13:15.43 | rshack | i want to install the moin pkg from testing, but first, i want to know what version is in testing. can anyone tell me how to check? |
| 13:15.47 | takatumi | asg: still with flux? |
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| 13:15.55 | asg | takatumi: yes |
| 13:15.55 | jm_ | rshack: pdo |
| 13:16.04 | rshack | thx |
| 13:16.04 | asg | rshack: /msg dpkg info <pkg> etch |
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| 13:16.09 | capu | is sarch a bad thing? |
| 13:16.44 | takatumi | asg: ion3's load display bar at the bottom now changes colors according to the load. |
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| 13:17.03 | spdf | Sounds purdy |
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| 13:17.19 | asg | takatumi: cool, I just display mine in a xterm title bar that I have shaded and pinned to the top of the screen. |
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| 13:17.41 | takatumi | asg: that sounds purdy too. :) |
| 13:17.42 | spdf | greycat, they were just talking about you.. |
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| 13:17.54 | rshack | asg: thank you |
| 13:18.00 | asg | takatumi: well, it's just grey text but I can output whatever I desire there, textually. |
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| 13:18.14 | greycat | spdf: I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, and you can't prove anything. |
| 13:18.40 | mrbuckets_ | greycat: It's all on tape |
| 13:18.46 | takatumi | greycat: I was betting on a plonk. "16:15:14 takatumi | greycat would have *plonked* by now." |
| 13:19.20 | rshack | wow. debian is pretty good. |
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| 13:20.09 | conan | I've installed java as per - http://serios.net/content/debian/java/with-java-package.php - puts java and javac in /usr/bin - so does that mean I should export JAVA_HOME as /usr/bin ? |
| 13:20.13 | capu | what does "Failed to execute child process 'amsn' (no such file or directory)" mean? and how do i fix it? |
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| 13:20.55 | lilliput[away] | hello all got a pb with debconf |
| 13:21.12 | lilliput[away] | Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 83, <GEN1> line 5. |
| 13:21.12 | lilliput[away] | Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 83, <GEN1> line 9. |
| 13:21.12 | lilliput[away] | DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout' during global destruction. |
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| 13:21.22 | ayah | everything i open an application, a new window should be opened for it, that is what happen in MS Window, but this is not the case in Debian. I just can't open an application more than once. is this normal? |
| 13:21.35 | takatumi | lilliput[away]: checked bts? |
| 13:21.43 | snail | lilliput[away]: which release? do you have a standard perl? |
| 13:21.44 | bob2 | ayah: it;s entirely application-specific |
| 13:21.53 | lilliput[away] | snail, unstable |
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| 13:22.11 | lilliput[away] | I recently install the things .. and for perl not sure |
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| 13:22.29 | ayah | bob2, it is always like that for all applications i hv tried. |
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| 13:22.34 | lilliput[away] | but I install everything through apt-get stuff |
| 13:22.38 | bob2 | ayah: ok, but it's not true for all |
| 13:22.53 | snail | lilliput[away]: i'd say that unless you know what you're doing you want stable rather than unstable |
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| 13:23.11 | snail | unstable is likely to be _very_ unstable for a while |
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| 13:23.38 | toonX | hey guys , can i try that !morron command ? |
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| 13:23.40 | ayah | bob2, for an example application that opens a new window each time it is activated. |
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| 13:23.48 | bob2 | ayah: xterm |
| 13:23.51 | deepz | how can i add additional fonts |
| 13:23.51 | bob2 | ayah: emacs |
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| 13:24.01 | deepz | i want to add a few regional fonts |
| 13:24.05 | deepz | in sarge |
| 13:24.11 | raf256_ | hmm I looked (and _read_ ;) a bit throught descriptions of grsecurity and other distroes |
| 13:24.19 | deepz | i am using xandros open circulatiomn version |
| 13:24.26 | raf256_ | and I realy think, that Debian devs should consider precompiling with grSec |
| 13:24.36 | ayah | ok, i forgot about that, what about those graphics type, like Firefox or Thunderbird. |
| 13:24.37 | raf256_ | FedoraCore have grSec, PLD have... why not debian |
| 13:24.39 | deepz | its based on sarge |
| 13:24.45 | toonX | !morron toonX |
| 13:24.45 | lilliput[away] | snail, I used debian for quiet a long time now and I roundly solve the pb when they are coming but this one is strange never had before |
| 13:24.55 | raf256_ | !moron toonX |
| 13:24.57 | dpkg | toonX: You are moron #19 |
| 13:25.00 | lilliput[away] | takatumi, apt-listbugs list debconf gives nothing |
| 13:25.04 | asg | raf256_: there are patches available for debian kernels, just not by defualt. |
| 13:25.18 | toonX | !moron raf256_ |
| 13:25.20 | dpkg | raf256_: You are moron #23 |
| 13:25.21 | jethro | :sedate me |
| 13:25.27 | toonX | i win!! |
| 13:25.28 | raf256_ | asg: yes I know, Im applying them now. My sugestion is to make it default.... why not? |
| 13:25.33 | asg | raf256_: etch should have integrated SELinux support though. |
| 13:25.39 | greycat | raf256_: package it. get it sponsored. |
| 13:25.50 | deepz | hey guys |
| 13:25.50 | asg | raf256_: they can cause performance and stability issues |
| 13:25.50 | raf256_ | greycat: sponsored? |
| 13:26.18 | greycat | unless you're a DD yourself, in which case you don't need a sponsor for it. (BWAhahahahaha...) |
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| 13:26.42 | raf256_ | greycat: why so bad attitute towards ppls wanting to help with debian? |
| 13:26.47 | cmihai | Did anyone play with distcc ? |
| 13:26.49 | raf256_ | *that want |
| 13:26.57 | LargeSandwich | I have a directory that has rw for group, owner and other. No of the users can add files or edit files unless I set the directory to excutable, what am i missing? |
| 13:26.59 | greycat | raf256_: you're not trying to help. you're just spewing words. |
| 13:27.10 | greycat | raf256_: I *told* you how you could help. you just got stupider. |
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| 13:27.42 | raf256_ | greycat: Im making dpg of 2.6.11+grsec kernel right now, and? whats wrong with that? I thought it would be nice to share results of that work with others |
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| 13:27.51 | bob2 | raf256_: being sponsored = getting a DD to upload it to Debian for you |
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| 13:28.07 | raf256_ | bob2: oh, thanx. <-- now that was helpful |
| 13:28.09 | raf256_ | !bob2++ |
| 13:28.19 | raf256_ | !greycat-- |
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| 13:28.28 | caphuso | what's the point in having grsecurity in the default kernel? |
| 13:28.32 | jethro | raf256_: are you kbrooks's brother? |
| 13:28.33 | greycat | caphuso: l33tness. |
| 13:28.33 | bob2 | raf256_: stop being annoying, tho |
| 13:28.44 | bob2 | raf256_: if you dont understand something, say so, instead of whinging that people are rude |
| 13:28.45 | raf256_ | caphuso: to have more secure system? |
| 13:28.50 | caphuso | raf256_: no, that's not it |
| 13:28.59 | mysticgoose | I don't know if this is a debian question or something else... I just installed debian, i can't get my screen resolution to change |
| 13:29.00 | caphuso | because without proper configuration it's just useless cruft |
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| 13:29.05 | mysticgoose | I edit my X86Config |
| 13:29.10 | raf256_ | caphuso: so wtf is the purpose of grsec anyway? |
| 13:29.13 | jethro | caphuso: as any other security measure |
| 13:29.14 | mysticgoose | run X86cfg and those sorts of nice programs |
| 13:29.18 | bob2 | if you don't know, why are you using it? |
| 13:29.25 | caphuso | raf256_: you don't know? |
| 13:29.26 | mysticgoose | and still, my resolution won't change from 640x480 |
| 13:29.29 | raf256_ | bob2: it was a retorica question |
| 13:29.31 | bob2 | grsecurity can be useful, in some scircumstances, if configured correctly |
| 13:29.45 | raf256_ | caphuso: I know it is security but if you have other opinion... |
| 13:29.47 | jethro | raf256_: security is a process, not installeing a few stuff |
| 13:29.56 | raf256_ | jethro: yes. and? |
| 13:30.02 | Pryon | mysticgoose: How many 'Modes' entries in the 'Display' subsection of your 'Screen' section? |
| 13:30.18 | greycat | raf256_: perhaps you should explain to us how grsecurity helps improve your computer's security. |
| 13:30.18 | spdf | mysticgoose, can you pastebin your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 , as well as tell us what kind of graphics card/onboard you have? |
| 13:30.34 | raf256_ | greycat: perhaps you use it for l33tnes, I would like to have no user->kernel exploits in my system |
| 13:30.42 | mysticgoose | well I just reformatted thinking if I did autodetect during the initial install it would solve the problem |
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| 13:30.48 | mysticgoose | but i'm still in 640x480 |
| 13:30.56 | jethro | raf256_: using grsecurity will not make your kernel 100% secure. |
| 13:30.56 | raf256_ | greycat: read. http://www.grsecurity.net/features.php |
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| 13:31.05 | mysticgoose | so it's the default config right now, but it should still be setup for higher display modes, so i'll pastebin it |
| 13:31.11 | bob2 | raf256_: er, grsecurity doesn't stop " user->kernel exploits", whatever they are |
| 13:31.11 | raf256_ | jethro: I know. Where t.f. did I said it will make?? |
| 13:31.14 | mysticgoose | it's an nvidia geforce fx 5200 |
| 13:31.22 | jethro | raf256_: even parts of grsecurity proved to be vulnerable in the past |
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| 13:31.29 | bob2 | arguing out of your depth in #debian is a very bad idea |
| 13:31.31 | raf256_ | jethro: yes I know. And? |
| 13:31.42 | jethro | raf256_: "like to have no user->kernel exploits in my system |
| 13:31.43 | jethro | " |
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| 13:31.52 | asg | bob2: especially on a Monday when everyone is a little punchy. |
| 13:31.56 | bob2 | hah |
| 13:31.56 | raf256_ | bob2: it doesnt stop any user->kernel exploits? well it limits the damage that root can inflict doesnt it |
| 13:31.58 | jethro | anyway. |
| 13:32.00 | Thomas333 | hi |
| 13:32.03 | bob2 | raf256_: in some cases |
| 13:32.04 | jethro | !qotd51 |
| 13:32.05 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
| 13:32.13 | raf256_ | jethro: omg. I would like to have LESS user->kernel exploits |
| 13:32.17 | kong0 | can anyone help me gettign universe multiverse going? |
| 13:32.18 | jethro | you need to learn your raf256_ |
| 13:32.22 | bob2 | raf256_: the exploit that rooted 4 core debian.org machines was not prevented by grsecurity, for instance |
| 13:32.24 | jethro | s/your/young/ |
| 13:32.30 | bob2 | raf256_: making broad assertions like that is silly |
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| 13:32.40 | bob2 | raf256_: people have already agreed that in some cases, with correct configuration, it can help |
| 13:32.46 | raf256_ | bob2: exacly. |
| 13:32.52 | raf256_ | bob2: thats why I want to have grsec. |
| 13:32.54 | kong0 | wow ignored |
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| 13:33.01 | bob2 | idiot |
| 13:33.11 | jethro | what did he do? |
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| 13:33.27 | bob2 | he nearly got banned from #ubuntu for being a moron, and came here doing the exact same thing |
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| 13:33.43 | raf256_ | pasted 100 lines long error log ;) ? |
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| 13:33.49 | jethro | bob2: I see :) |
| 13:33.59 | bob2 | kong0: can you just fuck off? |
| 13:34.02 | kong0 | bob wtf have i done to tou anyway? just kicking me like that!½½ |
| 13:34.04 | jethro | bob2 is like our preventive anti moron system |
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| 13:34.24 | Guerin | seems raf256_ is moronspray-resistant |
| 13:34.44 | spdf | kong0, No one answered, meaning, no one can or wants to help you.. |
| 13:34.51 | Guerin | i guess after hundreds of exposures he's started to develop an immunity |
| 13:34.51 | raf256_ | Guerin: oh - you see - if you try - you indeed _can_ be nice ;) |
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| 13:35.16 | greycat | why would you want to be "nice"? I'd rather be right. |
| 13:35.23 | Guerin | raf256_: i can be nice without trying, too. I reserve it for people who are not complete drooling morons, typically. |
| 13:36.04 | raf256_ | I see you assume everyone with some fresh ideas is a moron, without any need to explain that judgment too |
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| 13:36.20 | Guerin | greycat: i idly wondered today whether raf256_ was you being an undercover moron |
| 13:36.21 | caphuso | raf256_: you're the one who fails to explain his points |
| 13:36.29 | Guerin | raf256_: you don't have fresh ideas. |
| 13:36.32 | caphuso | raf256_: so, you better be quiet now |
| 13:36.36 | netman1 | greycat: being right and banned doesn't help a thing |
| 13:36.37 | jethro | oh my god. *plonk* |
| 13:36.40 | mysticgoose | http://pastebin.com/302194 |
| 13:36.42 | Guerin | raf256_: as far as I can figure, you don't have ANY ideas. |
| 13:37.04 | raf256_ | grsecurity is helpful? So why not make _also_ packs for it. |
| 13:37.06 | bob2 | raf256_: as I said, don't argue unless you can actually prove your point |
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| 13:37.17 | fXa | Hello "sudo -u bncs -i" that commands simulate a login into user bncs - But i cant do the simulate with commands. When i use: "sudo -u bncs -i ls" it says: /bin/ls: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file what do i do so i can simulate a login and send commands in the same line? |
| 13:37.19 | spdf | mysticgoose, Okay, What about the rest? |
| 13:37.22 | bob2 | raf256_: if you can cite actual examples of where it would help, you might win |
| 13:37.32 | bob2 | raf256_: assertions that it's good without evidence will be mocked, as you've seen |
| 13:37.47 | spdf | mysticgoose, we need the Device section too... |
| 13:37.53 | mysticgoose | oooh, right |
| 13:37.55 | mysticgoose | one moment |
| 13:38.08 | Guerin | raf256_: why don't we all run debian in vmware in windows xp in vmware in debian in qemu in openbsd? |
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| 13:38.30 | Guerin | raf256_: all the layers of emulation would make it so confusing, a haxx0r would NEVER win! |
| 13:38.31 | bob2 | hm, 20MB free on /home |
| 13:38.37 | raf256_ | bob2: well, on FC3 and 4 or PLD I can have grsec by default, therefore, in hands of experienced user, system can be protected against some attacks/exploits without need to waste time for hand recompilation. That is more comfortable isnt it? Also package might contain good set of rules (that are not too restrictive). |
| 13:38.44 | jethro | Guerin: because vmware is expensive |
| 13:38.50 | bob2 | raf256_: no, again, you're not citing evidence |
| 13:38.55 | ethics | because a vm inside a vm doesnt work on vmware code....ad its dumb... |
| 13:38.56 | raf256_ | Guerin: speed, $, disc space |
| 13:39.00 | mysticgoose | http://pastebin.com/302195 |
| 13:39.04 | bob2 | raf256_: you'd need to make said package, with useful, non-intrusive rules, then show it prevent an exploit |
| 13:39.09 | greycat | raf256_: so your entire argument is "Debian should be more like Fedora" |
| 13:39.26 | Guerin | raf256_: oh, so you're agreeing with bob2's point: that some things aren't a worthwhile security tradeoff? |
| 13:39.27 | jm_ | Adamantix people have something similar |
| 13:39.38 | bob2 | raf256_: people already agree, "yes, it could be useful, with suitable configuration" |
| 13:39.39 | beardy | Guerin: and finally installs it on a loopmounted fat filesystem in umsdos (long time I used it, umsdos is the correct name isn't it?)? |
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| 13:39.51 | caphuso | raf256_: and debian ships a grsecurity patch package which in the hands of an experienced user can be protected against some attacks/exploits. what's your point, exactly? |
| 13:39.51 | Guerin | beardy: encryped, don't forget |
| 13:39.53 | raf256_ | bob2: not nessesarly, there could be both versions, with and without grsec. Owner of webserver would probably choose the -grsec2 one, and of desktop - the regular kernel |
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| 13:39.55 | bob2 | raf256_: you need to show that a generic configuration can be done if you want to provie that it would be good in the default kernel |
| 13:40.04 | bob2 | raf256_: sure, then do so |
| 13:40.04 | beardy | Guerin: My mistake, sorry. Of course. |
| 13:40.08 | bob2 | raf256_: what are you arguiing then? |
| 13:40.26 | raf256_ | caphuso: well, just to make it a bit more comfortable. I dont say that idea rox, but also I dont see need for calling me moron |
| 13:40.38 | raf256_ | bob2: ^ |
| 13:40.46 | bob2 | raf256_: you weren't called a moron because of your idea |
| 13:40.56 | mysticgoose | pardon me, but I have to interject |
| 13:40.56 | raf256_ | is it my hairdo then? |
| 13:40.59 | greycat | Hmm. When doing a woody->sarge upgrade, I'm getting this huge spew from something called "resolvconf" and it's not currently installed. And I don't care about any of its crap. |
| 13:41.01 | mysticgoose | you're a moron because you typed "rox" |
| 13:41.01 | bob2 | raf256_: having grsecurity-patched kernels in debian is not a bad idea. if you want it, go do it. |
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| 13:41.12 | Guerin | raf256_: just to be clear: I'm calling you a moron based on past performance and on refusal and inability to research and understand the things you spout off about, not because of this particular idea. |
| 13:41.39 | greycat | mysticgoose: you don't like Roxy Music? |
| 13:41.40 | bob2 | raf256_: mindlessly advocating things without explaining how they are useful will get people to not take you seriously |
| 13:42.03 | raf256_ | ok, |
| 13:42.09 | bob2 | raf256_: saying it "provides security" or blocks "user->kernel exploits" means you don't know exactly what it does, which is why people lateched onto criticising you |
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| 13:42.24 | bob2 | if you say "it's useful because it can prevent some /tmp races", then people will say "oh, ok" |
| 13:42.28 | raf256_ | anyone tested out the FC4 grsec-defaulted kernel? I was told it have a bit more secure apache without making the system too restrictive |
| 13:42.33 | Guerin | raf256_: you can start climbing out of the hole you started digging several months ago any time you like. |
| 13:42.35 | bob2 | then they can decide if that is something they care about or not |
| 13:42.53 | drasko | hi all. Is there all kernel code in one tex/pdf file so I can print it out? |
| 13:42.56 | jethro | rasmoeone +q him for a while? |
| 13:43.09 | Guerin | drasko: eh... you want linux.tex? |
| 13:43.10 | bob2 | drasko: it's > one million lines of code |
| 13:43.20 | thomas_adam | drasko: You'll have to produce that yourself. |
| 13:43.21 | bob2 | drasko: that would probably be ten thousand a4 pages |
| 13:43.24 | asg | that'd be a hell of a lot of TeX markup. |
| 13:43.25 | greycat | ``Therefore for resolvconf's nameserver information to be up to date after initial installation it is necessary to reconfigure interfaces -- that is, to take them down and then to bring them up again -- and to restart DNS caches.'' -- what the fuck IS this thing and WHY is it trying to do all of this to me? |
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| 13:43.34 | bob2 | drasko: you could produce it with a2ps and a shell loop, tho |
| 13:43.37 | mwilson | drasko: You have no reason to print all of that out. |
| 13:43.42 | raf256_ | if indeed FC4 kernel is more secure because of grsec2, and is as usefull as debians default though, and there are not any arguments agains it (like too big size etc) then perhaps it could be also in debian packages then? |
| 13:43.45 | Guerin | drasko: i'll TeXify it and produce bound pdfs... if you pay me by the hour. |
| 13:43.57 | bob2 | raf256_: indeed, it could go into Debian right now if you like |
| 13:44.12 | drasko | ok... |
| 13:44.13 | bob2 | raf256_: all you have to do is produce the .debs and ask for someone on debian-mentors to upload it |
| 13:44.16 | asg | Guerin: coriolis press already did that. |
| 13:44.23 | raf256_ | bob2: ok, cool |
| 13:44.27 | Guerin | asg: damn you and your logic |
| 13:44.28 | raf256_ | bob2 |
| 13:44.29 | bob2 | raf256_: of course, you have to work with the debian-kernel team to make sure you keep up to date |
| 13:44.32 | gary | Can anyone recommend a good file manager for linux. I did have a quick look at nautilus but i didn't like it much |
| 13:44.39 | bob2 | raf256_: an out of date grsecurity kernel is worse than no grsecurity kernel at all |
| 13:44.47 | thomas_adam | gary: mc? rox? moxfm? xfm? |
| 13:44.49 | asg | Guerin: They sent me a review copy a number of years back. |
| 13:44.53 | bob2 | raf256_: this is effectively what greycat said 20 minutess ago |
| 13:44.53 | Guerin | gary: /bin/bash is good - you might find mc or gentoo a bit nicer |
| 13:44.53 | raf256_ | bob2: uhm, but... isnt it a bit stupid to trust me - after all they dont know me, what if I hide some bug there or just missconfigured/compiled |
| 13:44.56 | gary | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 13:44.56 | Guerin | asg: haha |
| 13:45.05 | bob2 | raf256_: then you will be publically mocked and shamed |
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| 13:45.26 | raf256_ | bob2: oh no! ;) <-- I mean: I hope that in future in example M$ will not do something like this... |
| 13:45.33 | bob2 | raf256_: also, you will produce a very small package that downloads the kernel source and patches and builds it. |
| 13:45.37 | capu | Guys - I've downloaded a program (AMSN) and used a *.bin to install the file.... it's install to a directory, but how do I open it? |
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| 13:45.39 | gary | Guerin: i've been using cli for about 2 years, but when i need to move lots of files around it's a bit tedious |
| 13:45.42 | bob2 | raf256_: that's a fairly small amount of code, and can be audited |
| 13:45.45 | raf256_ | after "get the facts" campaing it would be a good time for a litte sabotage... IMHO |
| 13:45.47 | bob2 | capu: amsn is in Debian already |
| 13:45.57 | mwilson | raf256_: You really don't think that someone wouldn't audit what you create? |
| 13:45.58 | thomas_adam | gary: or see: http://edulinux.homeunix.org/~n6tadam/file_manager.html |
| 13:46.14 | capu | bob: too late now :p - how do i install this one? |
| 13:46.18 | bob2 | raf256_: people are throughly vetted before being allowed into the Debian project, and packages from outsiders are carefully checked before being uploaded |
| 13:46.19 | raf256_ | mwilson: I just thought the auditing would be more time consuming then just making the prepacked kernel+grsec |
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| 13:46.30 | Guerin | capu: don't. Delete it and aptitude install amsn |
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| 13:46.45 | mwilson | raf256_: You mean you didn't think about it at all, right? |
| 13:46.47 | Guerin | raf256_: and that's a good reason not to do the audit... |
| 13:46.48 | bss | I have 4 IP's with my server but whenever I send a mail or do anything else, by default the main IP address is not used but another one is used. How can I make it use my main IP address ? |
| 13:46.54 | beardy | capu: When you want to install and use a program, check if it's already packaged, in most cases it is. |
| 13:46.55 | capu | Guerin, ok |
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| 13:47.03 | capu | :D heh cool |
| 13:47.12 | bob2 | bss: configure each program |
| 13:47.21 | beardy | capu: /msg dpkg search for help on how to search for packages. |
| 13:47.22 | bss | bob2: ermmmm |
| 13:47.23 | bob2 | bss: or setup some routes to control it |
| 13:47.29 | bss | ermmm again :S |
| 13:47.43 | raf256_ | Guerin: mwilson: I exacly thought of that "hey I could do that package myself... but then noone will trust me... so it would be easier if debian devel would make that package himself" - therefore the initial question |
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| 13:48.17 | bob2 | raf256_: also, consider the fact that none of the 1000 people who can upload anything they like to Debian hasn't done it already |
| 13:48.27 | mwilson | raf256_: Therefore what everyone here has been saying is correct... you're a moron. |
| 13:48.40 | bob2 | charming |
| 13:48.51 | Guerin | raf256_: see, this is the problem. you're going 'ooh ooh ooh i can do ~~~' without thinking about what it is that ~~~ entails. You're talking about introducing something into debian without understanding how debian's policy and qa systems work. |
| 13:48.52 | bob2 | being over eager != moron |
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| 13:50.13 | bob2 | being a cock to people who want to help is stupid and counterproductive |
| 13:50.14 | gary | One more question. I am using aterm, with black bg and white fg colours. When i do a directory listing, the directories are shown in dark blue which makes it hard to see. Is there a way to change this? |
| 13:50.22 | bob2 | even if they plan to work on somehting you're not interested in |
| 13:50.36 | asg | gary: man dircolors |
| 13:50.41 | bob2 | gary: I believe setting the LS_COLORS variable lets you control that |
| 13:50.52 | netman1 | gary: probably in your .bashrc or aliases |
| 13:51.04 | bob2 | ah, no, my mistake |
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| 13:52.08 | thomas_adam | It's warm here today. |
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| 13:52.38 | gary | thanks |
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| 13:52.48 | asg | thomas_adam: turn the oven off |
| 13:53.00 | raf256_ | mwilson: Guerin: but on the other hand FC3,4 have it by defult. That means FC devels are morons as well? Or debian users dont need grsec and FC's do? |
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| 13:53.08 | thomas_adam | asg: Ha. If only. Fish for tea later -- Red Snapper. :) |
| 13:53.19 | asg | thomas_adam: ooooh, tasty. |
| 13:53.21 | Pryon | I think the problem here is with a large, uncontrolled nuclear reaction in the vicinity... |
| 13:53.29 | thomas_adam | I've never had it before -- cost me a fortune. :) |
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| 13:54.31 | dareth | how do you cook your snapper? I like to grill mine. |
| 13:54.32 | greycat | Pryon: oh, it's controlled.... |
| 13:54.36 | Guerin | raf256_: you're missing my point. the idea is not bad. Your lack of understanding of how it needs to be done and why it hasn't been so far is. |
| 13:54.59 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Your list is missing things like xfe. |
| 13:55.05 | thomas_adam | dareth: I'm still looking through recipes. |
| 13:55.17 | Guerin | thomas_adam: raw? |
| 13:55.29 | thomas_adam | mwilson: It was only a very brief summary of the ones I've sed, I have since used xfe, but I didn't like it. |
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| 13:55.44 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Hmm? |
| 13:55.55 | Guerin | thomas_adam: raw fish++ |
| 13:55.58 | raf256_ | Guerin: well ok. Can I help with making grsecurity very-easy-to-install for "standard" user? Assume someone dont want his coworkers to see what he is doing (ps aux of other users), and he dont want/know how to recompile the kernel...? |
| 13:56.00 | spdf | Grilling has always been my fav., a little bit of lemon juice and a cream sauce.. oh man.. so good.. |
| 13:56.01 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Ah, no. |
| 13:56.04 | Guerin | thomas_adam: I can give you a NZ recipe for it, too. |
| 13:56.06 | Pryon | greycat: I suppose it is. For now, at least. |
| 13:56.12 | thomas_adam | Guerin: I'll take the recipe. :) |
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| 13:56.30 | dareth | I like to marinate mine in lemon juice and olive oil. Then grill it. |
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| 13:57.23 | giupy_ | is there a way to control the fan of a laptop ? |
| 13:57.28 | giupy_ | it goes still at max |
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| 13:57.53 | raf256_ | greycat: you wanted example of grsec beeing usefull for newbie. Ok: I share small linux terminal with few coworkers (via SSH), assume I dont want them to see what I do (ps aux) and I dont have time/skill to recompile kernel. Isnt that a good reason to allow grsec prebuild kernels? |
| 13:57.53 | netman1 | giupy_: maybe because of the weather? ;-) |
| 13:58.03 | raf256_ | s/terminal/box |
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| 13:58.13 | greycat | my god.... this resolvconf thing sent me *mail* too. |
| 13:58.16 | TBBle | raf256_: Why don't you want them seeing what you're doing? |
| 13:58.21 | Guerin | thomas_adam: 1) slice fish into small bite-sizes 2) marinate in lemon or lime juice, salt, sugar, green onions, coriander, ginger, fresh chillies and similar for a few hours or overnight 3) mix through coconut cream 4) marinate another couple hours 5) serve chilled |
| 13:58.21 | giupy_ | netman1 no, i know it 's a problem of this notebook under linux :)) |
| 13:58.31 | Guerin | thomas_adam: Ika Mata, 'tis called. |
| 13:58.36 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Wow. |
| 13:59.00 | dareth | fear... I missed the cooking part in that. *grin* |
| 13:59.04 | raf256_ | TBBle: well assume I like privacy |
| 13:59.07 | rikva | Guerin: sounds good, but I don't like coreander. |
| 13:59.22 | Guerin | thomas_adam: you need firm fish, not too oily, and it must be utterly fresh and boneless. |
| 13:59.27 | beardy | raf256_: If you can't compile a kernel you shouldnät allow other people into your boxes. |
| 13:59.33 | Guerin | rikva: s/coriander/parsley/ |
| 13:59.37 | prodope | when the kernel boots up, does it search for /vmlinuz, or /boot/vmlinuz? (i'm just wondering why make install doesn't update the symbolic link in / but does update the one in /boot) |
| 13:59.43 | thomas_adam | Guerin: I'll have to go look nexr week. :) |
| 13:59.56 | thomas_adam | prodope: Itr does if you use make-kpkg. |
| 13:59.56 | dareth | Some simple red pepper is quite good on snapper. |
| 14:00.00 | Guerin | thomas_adam: I've been fishing for a bit over 20 years :) |
| 14:00.17 | thomas_adam | I used to fish, but it's a little tricky now. |
| 14:00.23 | raf256_ | beardy: hmm... well in my work most ppl dont know how to recompile and yet they allow others ssh access |
| 14:00.31 | greycat | damned evolution! |
| 14:00.40 | dareth | I catch most of mine at the grocery store... laugh. I actually have a fish pond in my yard.. about a half acre in size. |
| 14:00.43 | netman1 | giupy_: I know some controls under /proc, but they are machine specific... |
| 14:00.44 | giupy_ | netman1 yes for toshiba i know.... |
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| 14:00.44 | mwilson | prodope: It doesn't search for either one. The boot loader loads the kernel. |
| 14:00.47 | prodope | mwilson: ahh, right... so whatever that points to is what loads? so it could be in /blah/foo/vmlinuz ? |
| 14:00.55 | dareth | Just bass, catfish, and perch.. no snapper.... |
| 14:00.57 | mwilson | prodope: Correct. |
| 14:00.57 | vladkao | greycat: use mutt ;-) |
| 14:01.13 | prodope | mwilson: great, thanks |
| 14:01.14 | raf256_ | thunderbird is cool, especialy with enigmamail |
| 14:01.16 | Guerin | i live in the mountains now.... and the fishing is terrible here, anyway. But man, the fish markets are a beautiful thing. |
| 14:01.25 | raf256_ | !kiss debian enigmamail package devel |
| 14:01.57 | TBBle | raf256_: OK. So you don't trust your coworkers, but trust the machine owner? |
| 14:02.06 | raf256_ | TBBle: assume Im machine owner |
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| 14:02.25 | raf256_ | TBBle: dont trust... well I just like privacy |
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| 14:02.56 | TBBle | raf256_: Ah. Then build yourself a kernel with grsecurity, or chmod a-rx /proc/[0-9]* |
| 14:02.56 | dareth | Laugh, George W would call ya a terrorist for that. *grin* |
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| 14:03.01 | TBBle | Whoops |
| 14:03.04 | TBBle | raf256_: Ah. Then build yourself a kernel with grsecurity, or chmod o-rx /proc/[0-9]* |
| 14:03.07 | capu | how do I link JRE with mozilla? |
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| 14:03.17 | greycat | capu: /msg dpkg java |
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| 14:03.26 | capu | ta |
| 14:03.45 | Guerin | !qotd103 |
| 14:03.45 | dpkg | i guess qotd103 is <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
| 14:03.51 | TBBle | I'm assuming grsecurity keeps other users apart from the process owner see /proc/<pid> |
| 14:03.52 | Guerin | heh. Privacy. |
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| 14:04.00 | raf256_ | TBBle: neat trick, thanks... |
| 14:04.07 | raf256_ | Guerin: omg ;) |
| 14:04.33 | TBBle | raf256_: See? Things get much easier once you actually establish the problem you're trying to solve, rather than the problem you're having with your solution. ^_^ |
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| 14:04.48 | neo10 | Hello. I'd like to create debian mirror for amd64 in czech republic, becouse it hasn't been here yet ... But I have same problems witch setting rsync script .. |
| 14:05.01 | raf256_ | Guerin: see, constructive arguing is so better |
| 14:05.02 | neo10 | (not same :-) sorry) |
| 14:05.03 | capu | i have NO idea what dpkg just told me, greycat . |
| 14:05.16 | neo10 | Who can help me pls.. |
| 14:05.25 | neo10 | http://amd64.debian.net/~joerg/mirror.html .. |
| 14:05.31 | greycat | capu: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 14:05.35 | neo10 | haloo |
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| 14:05.43 | beardy | neo10: The one that can help you will answer you. |
| 14:05.54 | beardy | neo10: If he/she wants. |
| 14:05.56 | capu | greycat, i did all that |
| 14:06.07 | Guerin | neo10: you might be better asking on #debian-amd64 or on the corresponding mailing list |
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| 14:06.10 | TBBle | neo10: I think there's a #debian-amd64 channel you can ask on. |
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| 14:06.16 | mrbuckets_ | 0+ |
| 14:06.22 | capu | greycat, i cant understand the bit about installing. lol |
| 14:06.28 | raf256_ | caphuso: I ment, what TBBle said, was constructive |
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| 14:07.11 | Guerin | capu: heh |
| 14:07.16 | Guerin | caphuso: heh |
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| 14:07.28 | capu | lol |
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| 14:07.30 | beardy | capu: You probably want to ask dpkg about "java-package" instead. |
| 14:07.44 | capu | i did |
| 14:07.49 | capu | that's the bit i cant understand :) |
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| 14:08.45 | dot | could anybody help me to find out where gkb.png is located ? in gnome 2.8 or 2.10 |
| 14:08.56 | raf256_ | where can I read on: how to make a .deb package out of program that can be installed using usual tar -xzf source.tgz && ./configure && make install |
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| 14:09.48 | Guerin | wow, e17 is horribly broken |
| 14:09.51 | TBBle | raf256_: "New Maintainer's Guide" on the Debian website, in the developer's corner. |
| 14:09.58 | monky_ | find / -name "gkb.png" -print |
| 14:10.23 | beardy | capu: make-jpkg is the package you should install, then read it's manpage. I think :) |
| 14:10.39 | capu | cheers |
| 14:10.41 | Guerin | i thought my laptop fan was on because apm is stupid, but it's been sitting there, undead, for the past 6 hours, eating cpu time ... even though I've started and restarted X and a different WM several times since. |
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| 14:10.48 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Rasterman. |
| 14:10.53 | Guerin | thomas_adam: ? |
| 14:10.58 | thomas_adam | Guerin: e17 |
| 14:11.09 | Guerin | thomas_adam: ? |
| 14:11.15 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Nevermind. |
| 14:11.20 | Guerin | thomas_adam: ? |
| 14:11.21 | raf256_ | some packages are in few ARCH versions, like libc and -i686, or mplayer and -i586 -k6 -k7, is something simmilar planned for some other stuff like kdelibs etc? |
| 14:11.31 | gary | Is there a way to make "ls" always output the directories before the files? |
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| 14:11.46 | Guerin | anyways, bedtime |
| 14:11.56 | greycat | gary: no. |
| 14:12.10 | gary | I can set the LS_COLORS variable on command line by doing: export LS_COLORS = ..., but when i restart bash it doesn't save it. I put the command in .bashrc and .bash_profile but it still doesn't save it. Any suggestions? |
| 14:12.12 | petemc | raf256_: do you want your box "optimised" as well as "secure" |
| 14:12.13 | delirium_ | TBBle, you still alive ? |
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| 14:12.13 | beardy | gary: There most likely is an option for it. Read the manpage. Then you can make an alias to suit your needs. |
| 14:12.19 | TBBle | Yup. |
| 14:12.24 | delirium_ | I found it |
| 14:12.31 | raf256_ | petemc: no, I actually prefer my box to be unsecure and run slowly. |
| 14:12.36 | delirium_ | I found why it didn't install the libqt3-dev package |
| 14:12.37 | petemc | raf256_: thats the spirit |
| 14:12.38 | greycat | gary: you MUST NOT HAVE SPACES around the = sign in "export foo=bar" |
| 14:12.55 | gary | yea, sorry, i don't. Just typed it wrongly there |
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| 14:13.00 | delirium_ | listen to this : WARNING: The nonthreaded version of Qt3 is considered deprecated and may disappear anytime in the future. Please use libqt3-mt-dev instead(Read README.Debian for instructions). |
| 14:13.01 | analia | hello .someone knows how to make midi work on VIA823x sound card using ALSA? i have been using timidity and fluidsynth as workaround but is too much cpu comsuming |
| 14:13.03 | raf256_ | petemc: thoes libc-i686 devels are stupid, arent they |
| 14:13.04 | TBBle | Because you needed to install libqt3-mt-dev and libqt3-mt-dev and libqt3-dev comflict? |
| 14:13.23 | TBBle | delirium_: Yes, that's correct. That's why I guided you subtly to libqt3-mt-dev. |
| 14:13.24 | petemc | raf256_: huh? thats nothing to do with it |
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| 14:13.45 | delirium_ | but now I still have the problem that ./configure can't find Qt |
| 14:13.48 | ethics | !gentoosmite raf256_ |
| 14:13.57 | TBBle | raf256_: This is a new an interesting tangent for you, ad hominin attacks on package developers. |
| 14:13.57 | delirium_ | do you know how I can see where it is installed ? |
| 14:14.00 | raf256_ | petemc: oh. What was the point of libc-i686 then? |
| 14:14.05 | TBBle | delirium_: dpkg -L libqt3-me-dev |
| 14:14.11 | TBBle | Uhh,libqt3-mt-dev. |
| 14:14.22 | petemc | raf256_: i think the name explains it as well as i could |
| 14:14.50 | raf256_ | petemc: why, if not for performence, it was compiled for i686 again? and same question for mplayet |
| 14:15.11 | asg | raf256_: NTPL support |
| 14:15.15 | raf256_ | TBBle: huh? Im not "attacking" libc-i686 devels, it was ironical question |
| 14:15.38 | delirium_ | TBBle, no wonder it couldn't find it, it's in /usr/share |
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| 14:15.44 | asg | raf256_: NPTL rather |
| 14:16.23 | petemc | raf256_: i think i should clarify something, i think your half assed attempts to secure/optimise your system are laughable - that is all |
| 14:16.28 | TBBle | raf256_: Ah. See, the problem with the Internet, especially text-based chat like IRC, is that saying things in an ironic tone of voice or with an ironic facial expression is completely unhelpful for us when determining if you're being literal or saying what you don't mean. |
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| 14:16.55 | petemc | raf256_: its my perogative to think that, and its your perogative to ignore me |
| 14:17.08 | raf256_ | petemc: thanks for friendly help then |
| 14:17.10 | greycat | `prerogative' |
| 14:17.16 | petemc | thanks |
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| 14:17.26 | ethics | raf256_, everything important is done on arch as far as ive seen... |
| 14:17.37 | greycat | it's only "perrogative" if you're Bobby Brown |
| 14:17.43 | asg | hah |
| 14:17.45 | TBBle | raf256_: Certain packages have CPU-optimised variants as they are packages which benefit significantly and functionally from these optimisations. libc6, openssl and the linux kernel come to mind. In relative terms, very little can be gained from compiling optimised versions of other packages as very little of that code is executed in a tight, frequently hit loop |
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| 14:18.31 | raf256_ | petemc: see, now that is a reasonable response you failed to gave |
| 14:18.33 | xzgv | how do i configure ion3 to install the keybinding 'alt-tab' in ion3? am using Sarge. |
| 14:18.40 | takatumi | my machine shuts off at 73C and compiling a kernel takes it there, how can I limit the cpu load? |
| 14:18.45 | stew | debian has cpu-optimized versions of openssl? |
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| 14:19.01 | caphuso | stew: yes |
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| 14:19.37 | greycat | oh great, a screen full of exportfs: /etc/exports [8]: No 'sync' or 'async' option specified for export "@ccf_vue:/opt/app". |
| 14:19.37 | raf256_ | takatumi: woah, you should rather replace CPU fans in the first place |
| 14:19.38 | TBBle | stew: All inside the normal binary package, too. So no -686 package to futz with. ^_^ |
| 14:19.46 | stew | oh ok |
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| 14:20.56 | raf256_ | is there some special reason why more experienced users seem o like debian box to be less fast and less secure then it can be? |
| 14:21.09 | petemc | heh |
| 14:21.32 | petemc | raf256_: in a trade off, time spent vs rewards gained - its pointless |
| 14:21.34 | raf256_ | petemc: seriously, Im a newbie, I just wanted to learn that |
| 14:21.53 | petemc | i guess it depends how highly you value your time tho |
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| 14:22.16 | raf256_ | petemc: and.. if one person would spent time to make -i686 packages or -grsec-and-other-cool-stuff packages... what will be the trade off for debian users? |
| 14:22.46 | raf256_ | or are there just too few DD to make that reasonable |
| 14:22.50 | greycat | You have a /var/named directory. Previous Debian packages used this |
| 14:22.50 | greycat | directory to hold zone data files. Please review the contents, move |
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| 14:22.54 | greycat | GAH. It never ends! |
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| 14:23.23 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2003-07-08 11:24 /var/named -> /etc/bind |
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| 14:24.19 | cmihai_ | Any perticular reason for "base-config" not doing anything when I select "Set up users and passwords" ?! |
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| 14:24.28 | TBBle | raf256_: Experience users know the point at which the return is less than the effort. A large enough group of experiences users come together and apply that, and you get Debian. |
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| 14:25.01 | cmihai_ | After the system has been installed (and configured), andding new users via base-config doesn't work. |
| 14:25.08 | petemc | cmihai_: adduser |
| 14:25.08 | asg | cmihai_: man adduser |
| 14:25.28 | cmihai_ | I know about that. |
| 14:25.41 | cmihai_ | I just want to know _why_ that won't wokr. |
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| 14:25.58 | mwilson | Is there some reason why it should? |
| 14:26.05 | asg | cmihai_: it's already run once, it's a base config. It doesn't need to run again. |
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| 14:26.32 | dabi | can i open cd drive with some command? |
| 14:26.36 | asg | dabi: eject |
| 14:26.47 | vladkao | eject -t :-) |
| 14:27.14 | dabi | :o heh.. ty |
| 14:27.21 | cmihai_ | asg: well, if it doesn't need to run again, why do they say so ?! |
| 14:27.43 | asg | cmihai_: a bug in the installer. |
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| 14:27.59 | cmihai_ | Quote: If you wish to re-reun the base-config at any point after installation is complete, as root run base-config. |
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| 14:28.06 | petemc | does it say "run this script again to add more users" ? |
| 14:28.26 | asg | cmihai_: yes, you can run it. It doesn't mean all of its functionality will be available or do anything useful. |
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| 14:28.47 | cmihai_ | Ah, but it doesn't error out. It just doesn't do _anything_. |
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| 14:29.18 | asg | cmihai_: right, it check whether it needed to create root and a non-root user, found it had done and then, in true Unix fashion, succeeded silently. |
| 14:29.23 | asg | s/check/checked/ |
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| 14:29.55 | takatumi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.03 | asg | takatumi: that doesn't look ok |
| 14:30.13 | cmihai_ | Then I guess I'll have to delete the other accounts but root, and check. |
| 14:30.24 | asg | if you wish |
| 14:30.29 | takatumi | asg: I know, need to control the cpu load, too high. |
| 14:30.37 | beardy | gary: To list directories first, you can do something like this: 'listing=$(ls -a) ; for i in $listing; do if [[ -d $i ]] ; then echo $i ; fi ; done ; for i in $listing; do if ! [[ -d $i ]] ; then echo $i ; fi ; done', put that in an alias or script. |
| 14:30.42 | asg | takatumi: well, CTRL+Z the process for a bit |
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| 14:31.06 | asg | takatumi: is the fan even working? |
| 14:31.17 | greycat | beardy: that's gonna be painfully slow |
| 14:31.29 | cantona | the usable space for five 16g hdd in raid 5 is? |
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| 14:31.35 | veronica | I have 3 drives.....the OS on one and /home on another....i wanted to raid the /home drive eith the 3rd drive......does the 3rd have to be mounted? |
| 14:31.35 | chandoo | hi :) |
| 14:31.37 | asg | takatumi: also, if you have a cpufreq compliant cpu, try downgrading it's performance. |
| 14:31.40 | gary | I can't get dircolors to work. I put this : |
| 14:31.42 | takatumi | asg: yes, 3 of them spinning noisily, it's a lappy. |
| 14:31.43 | greycat | beardy: I'd use find . -maxdepth 1 -type d; find . -maxdepth 1 -type f |
| 14:31.48 | ethics | takatumi, your processor shouldnt overhead without a fan failure so replace it asap...other than that i dont belive theres any speedstepping for new processors in kernels atm...the dothans defiantely dont |
| 14:31.50 | chandoo | is debian 3.1 not yet supported in AMD64 |
| 14:31.55 | greycat | chandoo: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 14:32.06 | mwilson | chandoo: There is no AMD64 Debian. |
| 14:32.11 | mwilson | chandoo: Just a beta. |
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| 14:32.18 | gary | I can't get dircolors to work. I put this : eval $(dircolors -b ~/.dircolors) in my .bashrc so that it would use the .dircolors file to change the colors but it doesn't change any colors. Doing the colors like this: DIR 01;36 |
| 14:32.41 | takatumi | asg: C-z while compiling a kernel is fine? |
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| 14:32.47 | mwilson | gary: And what is $TERM set to? |
| 14:32.48 | asg | gary: make sure ~/.bash_profile is actually sourcing ~/.bashsrc |
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| 14:32.55 | chandoo | mwilson greycat : i am using amd64 with asus-sli-delux, can i install debian or not/ |
| 14:32.56 | beardy | greycat: Not painfully. But slower than yours I guess. |
| 14:32.57 | asg | takatumi: don't see why not |
| 14:33.04 | gary | mwilson: i thought that would be the problem |
| 14:33.17 | ethics | cantona, 64gb |
| 14:33.23 | mwilson | gary: But you didn't see fit to actually answer the question. |
| 14:33.35 | gary | mwilson: i just checked, it was rxvt |
| 14:33.39 | TBBle | chandoo: What'd dpkg say about it? |
| 14:33.43 | cantona | ethics: thx |
| 14:34.07 | mwilson | gary: You created your own dircolors file because...? |
| 14:34.10 | cantona | PTR record is reserve dns to ip or ip to dns? |
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| 14:34.15 | cantona | resolve |
| 14:34.17 | chandoo | TBBle i am in windows, so far i havent yet tried debian |
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| 14:34.28 | TBBle | chandoo: 00:31 < greycat> chandoo: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 14:34.32 | takatumi | asg: cool, cheers. |
| 14:35.07 | gary | mwilson: just followed an article on how to customise the colours |
| 14:35.11 | henry__ | do any of you know which package contains /etc/init.d/iptables? I'm trying to figure out why it's on one of my sarge boxes but not another and dpkg -S isn't returning anything. |
| 14:35.25 | asg | henry__: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian* |
| 14:35.29 | cmihai_ | Well, I removed all users and it stil doesn't do anything. |
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| 14:36.21 | henry__ | asg: oh.. funny :) |
| 14:36.35 | chandoo | TBBle i got it |
| 14:36.44 | caphuso | cmihai_: what are you trying to achieve |
| 14:36.45 | caphuso | ? |
| 14:36.49 | henry__ | so what is the new "not messy" way of maintaining iptables rules? |
| 14:37.18 | cmihai_ | Not much, just wondering why "base-install" can't be used more than once to add users. |
| 14:37.31 | cmihai_ | Must be one of those "single-use" disposable programms... |
| 14:37.45 | asg | henry__: if you read it, it would tell you the old deprecated script is in examples/ (pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces is just dandy though) |
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| 14:38.19 | gromf | hello everybody ! |
| 14:38.30 | greycat | cmihai_: because you are supposed to use adduser. |
| 14:38.38 | gromf | It's me and my laptop problem again... |
| 14:39.00 | henry__ | asg: that doesn't seem quite right to me. wouldn't you want to initialize iptables only once? |
| 14:39.06 | henry__ | rather than once per interface |
| 14:39.23 | asg | henry__: well, init them when the interface goes up, remove them when it goes down. |
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| 14:40.01 | TBBle | Why would you want iptables to hold rules for interfaces that aren't up? |
| 14:40.09 | cmihai_ | If that was the case, I'd just use vipw or whatever. |
| 14:40.21 | asg | if you wish |
| 14:40.24 | TBBle | cmihai_: That's true, and a handy alternative. |
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| 14:40.38 | cmihai_ | I just needed to tell a friend an "easy" way. |
| 14:40.45 | greycat | that easy way is adduser |
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| 14:41.08 | asg | cmihai_: then write a wrapper around 'adduser' if it isn't easy enough (using dialog, for instance, you could create the ncurses interface) |
| 14:41.15 | raf256 | debians 2.6.11-1 is based on 2.6.11.12 or with exacly 2.6.11.x - how to check that, I dont see that in README |
| 14:41.19 | Pryon | You don't get any easier than the spoonfeeding provided by adduser |
| 14:41.23 | TBBle | cmihai_: That's adduser. It's like base-config, but less colourful and it obeys the settings you've set for it in the system. I dunno if base-config does. (although if it was me, I'd expect it to use adduser int he background) |
| 14:41.39 | cmihai_ | Yeah, I guess I'll do that. |
| 14:41.48 | TBBle | raf256: Changelog of the source package the changelog of the kernel package refers to. |
| 14:41.52 | takatumi | ethics: I don't think it's the fan, I believe the heatsink is clogged. |
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| 14:42.04 | asg | takatumi: time to void that warranty |
| 14:42.14 | greycat | ARGH!!! He's back without his _ now! |
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| 14:42.52 | darkskiez | do i need to update 2.6.11 to 2.6.12 via all of the little sub-patches ? |
| 14:42.54 | raf256 | some users here should seriously chillout |
| 14:42.54 | takatumi | asg: I actually did try, about 50 screws and I still couldn't yank it out. |
| 14:42.55 | asg | raf256: you lost your tail |
| 14:43.04 | petemc | raf256: you should learn that irc isnt the first point of call for support - you need to do some research yourself |
| 14:43.14 | TBBle | raf256: Although I can save you the look, since I asked this one myself. It's based on 2.6.11, as reelased, plus patches the kernel team deems important. (Secuyrity, bugfixes important drivers etc) This list of patches may include patches that have ocurred in the 2.6.11.x series, but may not, depending on their approrpriateness to the Debian kernel. |
| 14:43.16 | asg | takatumi: eep |
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| 14:43.51 | asg | raf256: you lost your tail (the '_') bit in your nick. And don't /msg people (/msg dpkg guidelines, /topic) |
| 14:44.02 | mwilson | Of course, the Debian changelog actually details what 11.x sub-version has been applied, but you'd never expect him to actually read that, or anything. |
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| 14:44.41 | ob1kenewb | hi |
| 14:45.08 | greycat | toothpaste college? |
| 14:45.17 | asg | 10:47 -!- W1 [wweckesser@horseshoe.colgate.edu] has joined #debian |
| 14:45.18 | ob1kenewb | I'm sure it'a classical, but... I'm trying to upgrade and I have a problem on dpkg upgrade |
| 14:45.21 | ob1kenewb | dpkg: error processing dpkg_1.13.9_i386.deb (--install) |
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| 14:45.27 | asg | greycat: never liked colgate. |
| 14:45.33 | ob1kenewb | any hints ? |
| 14:45.51 | greycat | ob1kenewb: it's called "unstable" for a reason |
| 14:45.51 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 14:45.51 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 14:46.27 | ob1kenewb | yes, but the upgrade worked on another box |
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| 14:47.23 | Jhair | hmmm... sid faq is down. |
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| 14:48.00 | stew | Jhair: no, it's not |
| 14:48.10 | ob1kenewb | no one here encountered the problem with dpkg 1.13 ? |
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| 14:48.54 | stew | ob1kenewb: if we did it would be in the bts |
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| 14:49.27 | Jhair | !sid faq |
| 14:49.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 14:49.55 | Jhair | stew: you're right I messed up with my erc buffer |
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| 14:50.04 | greycat | !dbugs dpkg |
| 14:50.06 | dpkg | do_pkg not supported yet. |
| 14:50.14 | greycat | awww. |
| 14:50.22 | TiMiDo | how cute |
| 14:50.24 | TiMiDo | ha |
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| 14:51.10 | raf256 | hm.. what about: http://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?t=1152 ? |
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| 14:52.59 | kevin_ | has anyone used Debian (Sarge) on an IBM 760XL laptop with 48 MB RAM? |
| 14:53.04 | spdf | Woo. I had no idea ALT+'Arrow Key' changed between VT's.. thats wicked neat.. |
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| 14:53.46 | stouset | Howdy. |
| 14:53.52 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 14:53.53 | apt | Pakistan will get turned into a sheet of glass by Iran! |
| 14:53.57 | spdf | Mornin' |
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| 14:54.22 | TBBle | raf256: That's not really a question, is it? |
| 14:54.50 | stouset | So...I'm trying to install stuff on my new Sarge box, but Debian doesn't seem to come with "yum"... |
| 14:54.52 | stouset | </sarcasm> |
| 14:54.57 | kevin_ | only reason I am asking is I am using it on that laptop and being a new user how would I setup the sound? |
| 14:55.02 | FieldySnuts | !prise stouset |
| 14:55.04 | petemc | onglilwtfbbq |
| 14:55.08 | petemc | gah |
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| 14:55.15 | zOap | is it possible to switch between several terminals when not in x? |
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| 14:55.19 | stouset | Ouch. |
| 14:55.22 | greycat | zOap: yes |
| 14:55.36 | spdf | zOap, :) |
| 14:55.46 | stouset | kevin_: More than likely the process of getting sound working will consist of: installing Debian. |
| 14:55.50 | greycat | (hint: use Alt-F2, Alt-F3, etc..... or use screen(1)) |
| 14:56.04 | zOap | greycat, ok, thanks:) |
| 14:56.04 | stouset | greycat: Screen? |
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| 14:56.10 | kevin_ | I have it installed and I am using it to talk to you |
| 14:56.26 | stouset | greycat: With X? |
| 14:56.47 | stouset | kevin_: Is linux-sound-base installed? |
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| 14:57.10 | kevin_ | how do I find that out? |
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| 14:57.20 | raf256 | TBBle: well Im interested in any comments on that URL post |
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| 14:57.32 | stouset | apt-cache policy linux-sound-base |
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| 14:58.47 | os2finn | hi all |
| 14:59.00 | os2finn | can someone guide me with VPN? |
| 14:59.37 | kevin_ | came up with invalid operation |
| 14:59.53 | stouset | Did you mistype it? |
| 15:00.10 | kevin_ | typed as you had it |
| 15:00.10 | TBBle | raf256: Oh, you expect me to read it? Do you wanna summarise it for me in a line? |
| 15:00.41 | kevin_ | this thing only has a 2 gig hard drive |
| 15:00.41 | stouset | kevin_: Are you absolutely sure? Because what I typed will work =P |
| 15:00.43 | raf256 | TBBle: 1st post: author of grsecurity states that debian sucks because it broked something in grsecurity compability |
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| 15:00.54 | Channels- | hi |
| 15:00.57 | mwilson | Iptables is hateful by definition. |
| 15:01.01 | mwilson | ack |
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| 15:01.07 | TBBle | raf256: Interesting. Sounds like it should be a bugreport to Debian, rather than a posting on a forum, so far. |
| 15:01.21 | Channels- | when i use irssi, i type /dcc send nick <file>, and the DCC don't starts ..... any idea please ? |
| 15:01.24 | kevin_ | well I will work on it later, got tonnes of stuff to get done before lunch |
| 15:01.31 | raf256 | TBBle: spender states taht he made bugreport but get none help for debian devels |
| 15:01.33 | stouset | Channels-: Firewall? |
| 15:01.33 | jbmigel | stouset "linux-sound-base" is not available on my system either, not even listen in synaptic |
| 15:01.37 | kyu | channel, #irssi or RTFM |
| 15:01.41 | mwilson | Channels-: You're behind a firewall. |
| 15:01.44 | kyu | ;) |
| 15:01.46 | raf256 | TBBle: although this articale is 2 months old so I wonder did anything changed in that subject |
| 15:01.46 | spdf | Channels-, Ports blocked on either end, possibly? |
| 15:01.47 | TBBle | Intersting. Does he give a bugreport number? |
| 15:02.03 | stouset | jbmigel: He was saying that he got "invalid operation" on "apt-cache policy" which would only happen if he mistyped it. |
| 15:02.13 | jtza8 | Could someone recommend an alternative to GNU Cash? |
| 15:02.17 | stouset | jbmigel: If he doesn't have linux-sound-base as a package, he's not running Sarge and he needs to. |
| 15:02.21 | Channels- | hmm it's not on my computer .. don't have the root access.... to unblock the port |
| 15:02.26 | TBBle | raf256: Anyway, things like this (breakage due to grsecurity or pax) are the reason grsecurity or pax is not the default in Debian. There's pages and pages of emails about this in the debian mailing list archives. |
| 15:02.45 | stouset | jbmigel: But those are two different problems :-) |
| 15:02.49 | FieldySnuts | when you go off and use pax/grsec you're pretty much taking it into your own hands |
| 15:02.58 | jbmigel | stouset I am running sarge but dont have "linux-sound-base" available anywhere |
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| 15:03.03 | overnout | video42x |
| 15:03.13 | raf256 | TBBle: "Upgrading to glibc 2.3.4 on a Debian system will make your system nearly unusable." "If Debian doesn't act soon, they'll be releasing many advisories of this type: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story41890.html" |
| 15:03.14 | mwilson | Unblock what port? |
| 15:03.17 | stouset | jbmigel: Are you certain? |
| 15:03.20 | mwilson | Where'd you get the idea that it was a "blocked port"? |
| 15:03.23 | raf256 | TBBle: I dont see the bug report number though |
| 15:03.29 | spdf | mwilson, Oh, my badness. |
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| 15:03.46 | zdom | what? |
| 15:03.56 | mwilson | DCC uses random ports... you're going to unblock everything? |
| 15:03.58 | Channels- | mwilson > it's an idea ... i don't know the problem ... |
| 15:04.13 | TBBle | raf256: Well, the bug report would probably be against src:glibc, since that's the upgrade that caused the problem. |
| 15:04.18 | FieldySnuts | dcc is extremely irritating to get to work properly behind a firewall |
| 15:04.29 | jbmigel | stouset yes i get "W: Unable ro locate package linux-sound-base" from apt-cache command and it is not found when searching synaptic |
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| 15:04.39 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: It's not hard... it just points out how basically useless DCC is for anything. |
| 15:04.45 | stouset | jbmigel: Hm...guess it's only in sid, then. I had thought it was in Sarge. |
| 15:04.52 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 15:05.01 | FieldySnuts | dcc is for irc warez kids anyway |
| 15:05.08 | FieldySnuts | </troll> |
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| 15:06.08 | kyu | I never understood the point of dcc |
| 15:06.13 | kyu | What's wrong with ftp or http? |
| 15:06.22 | TBBle | kyu: You can't chat over either. |
| 15:06.22 | petemc | kyu: its for transferring files |
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| 15:06.29 | petemc | warez |
| 15:06.29 | mwilson | kyu: They both require a server somewhere that you control. |
| 15:06.45 | greycat | *sigh* another laptop getting Linux removed. |
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| 15:06.54 | FieldySnuts | dcc gets around the IRC server after the intital connect info is transferred, it's ofent used for files too |
| 15:07.01 | kyu | You shouldn't be doing warex without a file server :) |
| 15:07.04 | greycat | oh well... there should be a new batch when the new Fellows come in next month. |
| 15:07.05 | TBBle | DCC lets you go client <-> client for chat without going through an IRC server you do not control. They also added a file transfer protocol later on. |
| 15:07.09 | FieldySnuts | tell that to efnet kids |
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| 15:07.42 | dsevilla | hello |
| 15:07.49 | dsevilla | are non-us debian repositories failing? |
| 15:07.51 | stouset | !dfind linux-sound-base testing |
| 15:07.57 | stouset | !dfind linux-sound-base sarge |
| 15:08.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux-sound-base' returned no results. |
| 15:08.08 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux-sound-base' returned no results. |
| 15:08.13 | stouset | Guess so. |
| 15:08.15 | greycat | dsevilla: /topic |
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| 15:08.23 | TBBle | I thought linux-sound-base was a Provides: from alsa-base? So it won't show up in those lists. |
| 15:08.27 | Gnea | heh, dcc warez |
| 15:08.29 | TBBle | apt-get install linux-sound-base should work, mind you. |
| 15:08.29 | Gnea | that's funny |
| 15:08.39 | subvertir | it's great |
| 15:08.41 | dsevilla | greycat, thanks, sorry |
| 15:08.41 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.55 | subvertir | I like how dcc warez channels have no noobs |
| 15:09.08 | subvertir | it's fun to just join them and watch idiots join |
| 15:09.15 | FieldySnuts | !list |
| 15:09.16 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
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| 15:09.19 | RogueDopple | ha ha |
| 15:09.21 | TBBle | subvertir: That's why I hang out here. |
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| 15:09.26 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: take a look for yourself mr. smarty pants |
| 15:09.34 | FieldySnuts | bleh i was kidding |
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| 15:09.50 | Gnea | ok :) |
| 15:09.53 | dsevilla | greycat, where can I see why is that? (I mean, non-us non being continued? |
| 15:09.55 | FieldySnuts | i'm sure we can all act like responsible adults. isn't that right... MR POOPY PANTS?? |
| 15:10.01 | FieldySnuts | </airplane!> |
| 15:10.02 | greycat | dsevilla: /topic |
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| 15:10.12 | Gnea | can debian supports 1 terrabyte partitionos? |
| 15:10.16 | Gnea | partitions even |
| 15:10.23 | greycat | Gnea: yes |
| 15:10.34 | directhex|work | Gnea, i believe it's 2tb without using LVM |
| 15:10.34 | Gnea | greycat: good cuz i'm building one now |
| 15:10.43 | Gnea | cool |
| 15:10.51 | Gnea | Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: |
| 15:11.08 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 15:11.20 | Gnea | oh wait, it's done |
| 15:11.28 | TiMiDo | is there any way i can do startx to star up wiamea? |
| 15:11.47 | greycat | "startx waimea" |
| 15:11.47 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.52 | greycat | or however it's spelled |
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| 15:12.04 | TiMiDo | k great |
| 15:12.05 | FieldySnuts | s/disk/array/ |
| 15:12.07 | Gnea | ok, it mounted, i'm convinced |
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| 15:12.43 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: 917 - 871? |
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| 15:12.48 | FieldySnuts | ork |
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| 15:14.15 | abc | If I type "apt-cache show kde" I can see that the kde-package version is 5:44. But how do I tell which kde-version that is going the current one in the repository? |
| 15:14.30 | greycat | abc: look at the other packages. |
| 15:14.31 | cahoot | abc: kdelibs |
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| 15:14.53 | abc | ok |
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| 15:15.09 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: that's entropy on ext3's fault |
| 15:15.26 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000237367296 bytes |
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| 15:15.33 | prodope | i have a custom kernel that i built, and for my nic device driver, i chose the 3c59x, but i made it built-in to the kernel... when i boot up, though, when modules are loaded, it tries to load the 3c59x and gets an error because it's not there... why is this happening? |
| 15:16.00 | mwilson | Because you told it to load it, of course. |
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| 15:16.29 | prodope | how do i tell it not to load it, because it's built-in? |
| 15:16.31 | Gnea | prodope: cuz you built it INTO the kernel |
| 15:16.42 | Gnea | take it out of /etc/modules |
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| 15:17.22 | prodope | Gnea: ahh, there we go |
| 15:17.23 | prodope | thanks |
| 15:17.27 | Gnea | np |
| 15:17.48 | Nosf3ratu | Is there anything I need to be aware of before I buy a SATA drive? |
| 15:17.56 | Nosf3ratu | Not a RAID set-up, just a single drive... |
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| 15:18.29 | greycat | you need an SATA controller. |
| 15:18.29 | jbmigel | Nosf3ratu SATA has different power connector |
| 15:18.38 | petemc | Nosf3ratu: you need a sata controller to use it, and that controller needs to be supported by linux, for it to work |
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| 15:19.06 | Nosf3ratu | My new motherboard has a controller and power connector. |
| 15:19.11 | Gnea | recent 2.6 kernels support a majority of SATA controllers |
| 15:19.15 | Nosf3ratu | It's Nvidia nforce3. |
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| 15:19.27 | Nosf3ratu | I'm guessing that won't be an issue...but I'm not sure. |
| 15:19.33 | Gnea | Nosf3ratu: what kernel are you running? |
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| 15:19.43 | Nosf3ratu | Gnea, 2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 |
| 15:19.53 | Gnea | that'll work |
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| 15:20.24 | Nosf3ratu | You know...I might have thought too soon about the power connector...my PSU is older than my motherboard. |
| 15:20.32 | EnsignRedshirt | I have a USB hard drive that is not working like it did under Redhat. I'm not sure if that is because something has gone wrong with the drive, or if it is not set up correctly. |
| 15:20.37 | Gnea | Nosf3ratu: WD seems to make some solid drives so far |
| 15:20.59 | Gnea | Nosf3ratu: how old? |
| 15:21.06 | neo10-CZ | How can I upgrade to Debian sid from Deban Sarge? I installed Debian Sarge by neinstall CD |
| 15:21.07 | Nosf3ratu | Gnea, yeah, I'm looking at the 74G 10k rpm drive, it's only $162 right now |
| 15:21.08 | jbmigel | Nosf3ratu you can get an adapter for nothing to fix power connector differences |
| 15:21.13 | neo10-CZ | thanks. |
| 15:21.20 | Nosf3ratu | jbmigel, yeah, I'm seeing that...might even come w/ the drive, I hope. |
| 15:21.22 | poormanskywalker | A directory set with a=+rw will not let users write files to it. In order to create new files in this directory is to set it for executable. why can't other users write files and new sarge installation |
| 15:21.29 | Nosf3ratu | Gnea, it's 450W, about 2-3 years old. |
| 15:21.33 | Nosf3ratu | Right on the break point. |
| 15:21.35 | neo10-CZ | ? |
| 15:21.46 | Gnea | !tell neo10-CZ about sarge->sid |
| 15:21.56 | Nosf3ratu | !tell neo10-CZ about sid |
| 15:22.21 | Gnea | Nosf3ratu: 450's not bad |
| 15:22.22 | Nosf3ratu | (Pay attention to the 'don't use sid' part, unless you have the time and desire to baby it) |
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| 15:22.31 | Gnea | but yeah |
| 15:22.31 | joaquinz | hi |
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| 15:22.38 | Gnea | might wanna get a new one soon |
| 15:22.38 | Nosf3ratu | Gnea, I already have two drives, and two ROM drives...think that 450 is still enough? |
| 15:22.40 | joaquinz | i've trouble with sound in debian sarge |
| 15:22.42 | Nosf3ratu | yeah |
| 15:23.03 | EnsignRedshirt | If I try to mount /dev/sdc, I get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc,", but /dev/sdc1 does not exist |
| 15:23.07 | joaquinz | i've a cmi 8xxx card and it doesnt work :( alsaconf doesnt detect it and if i do modprobe snd-cmipci |
| 15:23.07 | directhex|work | Nosf3ratu, brand counts for more than wattage |
| 15:23.17 | directhex|work | Nosf3ratu, a good 330w will do better than a bad 650w |
| 15:23.18 | neo10-CZ | Gnea: heh.. It wrote me only, what is sid :-) |
| 15:23.30 | Gnea | EnsignRedshirt: you don't mount superblocks, only partitions |
| 15:23.32 | Nosf3ratu | directhex|work, it's a good brand, if I remember correctly. |
| 15:23.33 | joaquinz | doesnt seems to take it as my soundcard(for example alsamixer doesnt start and says that i ve no sound card) |
| 15:23.36 | joaquinz | any idea? |
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| 15:23.44 | Nosf3ratu | I think it's CoolerMaster or Antech |
| 15:23.44 | neo10-CZ | Gnea: I know that.. i asked, how can I upgrade sarge to sid.. |
| 15:23.59 | joaquinz | ?? |
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| 15:24.01 | directhex|work | Nosf3ratu, you don't need more than a good 450 unless you're doing dual xeon, with sli graphics |
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| 15:24.14 | Gnea | neo10-CZ: edit your sources.list file to reflect a switch from stable to unstable |
| 15:24.16 | Nosf3ratu | directhex|work, thanks |
| 15:24.18 | Nosf3ratu | good to know |
| 15:24.22 | kyu | neo10-CZ, change /etc/apt/sources.list to have 'unstable' instead of testing or stable |
| 15:24.26 | kyu | then type apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:24.44 | directhex|work | Nosf3ratu, i have a good 480w power supply, mostly because it's the smallest that particular brand do |
| 15:24.44 | Nosf3ratu | joaquinz, you don't have the alsa modules installed or loaded. |
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| 15:25.03 | Nosf3ratu | directhex|work, and how many storage drives do you have? |
| 15:25.12 | EnsignRedshirt | Gnea: That makes sense, but /dev/sdc1 does not exist. The USB drive used to be /dev/sdc1 in Redhat. |
| 15:25.15 | joaquinz | Nosf3ratu : wtf? yes i've.. if i do modprobe snd-cmipci it loads the module |
| 15:25.17 | neo10-CZ | kyu: and dependencies on system? |
| 15:25.20 | joaquinz | im using kernel 2.6 |
| 15:25.33 | Gnea | EnsignRedshirt: yeah well things get switched around so u gotta read dmesg and syslog |
| 15:25.36 | kyu | neo10-CZ it should do all that, as far as i know |
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| 15:25.43 | directhex|work | Nosf3ratu, just one hard disk, dvd writer, floppy & smartmedia bay. a hard disk is only about 30w of drain |
| 15:25.43 | cahoot | joaquinz: make sure on oss module is loaded |
| 15:25.51 | cahoot | joaquinz: make sure no oss module is loaded |
| 15:25.56 | Nosf3ratu | Hmm, ok. |
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| 15:26.32 | joaquinz | cahoot : mmm im sure there is no oss module loaded |
| 15:26.41 | neo10-CZ | Gnea: I heard samowhere, that I must use apt-get dist-upgrade, but I don't know, that the system will be upgrade from sarge (stable) to etch (testing) or sid (unstable) |
| 15:26.49 | neo10-CZ | (somewhere) |
| 15:27.02 | cahoot | joaquinz: no sign of such in lsmod? |
| 15:27.10 | EnsignRedshirt | Gnea: dmesg shows I/O errors. The last line says "unable to read partition table" |
| 15:27.19 | Gnea | neo10-CZ: well i told ya what you have to do - better to go upgrade then dist-upgrade |
| 15:27.51 | joaquinz | cahoot : not at all |
| 15:27.53 | Gnea | EnsignRedshirt: it's probably being autodetected then - tail -f /var/log/syslog, unplug it, plug it back in and see what it has to say |
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| 15:28.46 | cahoot | joaquinz: but the snd-cmipci is there? |
| 15:29.00 | Kepplar | Um, this may be a stupid question, but how can I find out how much if any diskspace is completely unallocated on a disk physically? |
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| 15:29.14 | neo10-CZ | ? |
| 15:29.19 | directhex|work | fdisk -l |
| 15:30.15 | greycat | Have I mentioned lately how much I hate printers? |
| 15:30.26 | Kepplar | directhex|work: thx :) |
| 15:30.37 | mwilson | greycat: Not recently, no. :) |
| 15:30.51 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.51 | greycat | error vangard@vue3+621 A 621 ERROR: aborting operations |
| 15:30.51 | joaquinz | cahoot : nop, because i havent loaded it yet |
| 15:30.55 | neo10-CZ | Gned : ok.. What will do "dist-upgrade".. It will upgrade system to etch or sid? |
| 15:30.58 | toonX | how can i get security updates for testing (etch) ? |
| 15:31.10 | greycat | toonX: you don't. |
| 15:31.14 | sussudio | !sid upgrade |
| 15:31.14 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 15:31.19 | joaquinz | cahoot : but if i do modprobe snd-cmipci it loads (and a few modules more) |
| 15:31.21 | directhex|work | greycat, did xerox keep the drivers for it closed-source, so you couldn't fix bugs? |
| 15:31.41 | greycat | directhex|work: worse. the people who wrote lprng made their code bigger than the fucking kernel. |
| 15:31.51 | greycat | directhex|work: so no human being could possibly understand it, let alone fix it |
| 15:32.03 | toonX | greycat oh, so the security updates are just for the stable release? aka sarge |
| 15:32.04 | cahoot | joaquinz: and /proc/asound gets created with entry for your card? |
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| 15:32.08 | EnsignRedshirt | Gnea: I put the last few lines of syslog in flood. One line is "WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured." |
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| 15:32.50 | Gnea | EnsignRedshirt: oh well i'm not in #flood so that was futile |
| 15:33.13 | toonX | greycat or will this line in sources.list ,deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free , work for etch too? |
| 15:33.14 | EnsignRedshirt | Gnea: Right. I can do it again... |
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| 15:33.23 | directhex|work | greycat, better than security through obscurity: security through obesity |
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| 15:33.40 | directhex|work | !tell toonX about testing security |
| 15:33.40 | neo10-CZ | . |
| 15:33.48 | directhex|work | bah |
| 15:33.52 | toonX | yeah bah |
| 15:34.01 | directhex|work | !tell toonX about etch security |
| 15:34.07 | Gnea | EnsignRedshirt: ok, it's not loading scsi modules then - try modprobe sd_mod |
| 15:34.13 | toonX | you got it right this time ;) |
| 15:34.24 | greycat | 11:34 <-dpkg[~dpkg@dpkg.user] Factoid search of 'testing' by key returned no results. |
| 15:34.27 | greycat | HUH? |
| 15:34.40 | toonX | thanks |
| 15:34.42 | directhex|work | it's hot, and i've spent most of today under the floor |
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| 15:35.04 | directhex|work | <dpkg> Factoid search of 'testing' by key (15 of 27) |
| 15:35.08 | greycat | !+testing security |
| 15:35.25 | greycat | oh... it's a mutilated redirect. |
| 15:35.39 | xiao | how to configure exim4 to send mail by smarthost in debian? |
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| 15:35.52 | asg | xiao: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 15:35.54 | greycat | dpkg, testing security =~ s/see testing security issues // |
| 15:35.54 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 15:36.14 | joaquinz | cahoot : no idea |
| 15:36.15 | Gnea | ROFL |
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| 15:36.23 | greycat | dpkg, testing security is also See <testing security issues>. |
| 15:36.23 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 15:36.47 | Gnea | !beer greycat |
| 15:37.12 | EnsignRedshirt | Gnea: After modprobe sd_mod, I unplugged and replugged the drive, but I got the same output from syslog. Just the address changed from 4 to 5. |
| 15:37.16 | xiao | asg, i know that. but when i send mails, i always got reject by the smarthost. |
| 15:37.17 | greycat | now I just have to figure out what the fuck "ERROR: aborting operations" means, how to find *out* what the error was, where lprng hides its log(s) (if any), and how to fix it. |
| 15:37.53 | rikva | How can i see what distro (woody, sarge, etch, etc) someone is running? |
| 15:37.59 | greycat | !version |
| 15:37.59 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 15:38.00 | jharrisonwk | you guys recommend any of the fast/speedy cgi modules? |
| 15:38.08 | greycat | fishdot: turn that off please. |
| 15:38.09 | rikva | thanks greycat |
| 15:38.12 | Gnea | EnsignRedshirt: what usb device is it, specifically? |
| 15:38.16 | asg | xiao: is your smarthost configured to accept mail from a) your mta, b) your user@domain? Does 'exim4 -d -bt user' look sane? |
| 15:38.52 | EnsignRedshirt | Gnea: Western Digital hard drive |
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| 15:39.06 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! |
| 15:39.16 | asg | well, it won't look sane but will give you information necessary to at least decide if the problem is on your end. |
| 15:39.18 | xiao | asg, i just use an smtp mail server, i have an account on it. |
| 15:39.19 | Gnea | EnsignRedshirt: what kernel? |
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| 15:39.42 | EnsignRedshirt | Gnea: 2.4.27-2.686-smp |
| 15:39.58 | kyu | Oh great, i'm addicted to nethack again |
| 15:40.07 | RichiH | heh |
| 15:40.11 | Gnea | EnsignRedshirt: do yourself a favor right now and stop, get a 2.6 kernel image installed, get module-init-tools installed and reboot into that |
| 15:40.16 | xiao | asg, i have edited /etc/exim4/passwd.client and write server:account:pass in it. The server is an public mail server. |
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| 15:40.20 | asg | xiao: yes, that doesn't mean it will accept mail from your machine. /msg dpkg mail tutorial. Try talking to the smarthost using SMTP |
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| 15:40.44 | asg | xiao: oh, authenticated smtp |
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| 15:41.25 | Virtual | I have two NIC's on my desktop and I have connected my laptop to it with one of them by a crossover cable, with the other I recieve connection, any idea how can I share my connection with the laptop ? |
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| 15:41.48 | EnsignRedshirt | Gnea: That seems drastic... |
| 15:41.57 | Spec | Virtual: iptables |
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| 15:42.06 | Spec | Virtual: set up the desktop to route traffic from one nic to the other |
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| 15:42.28 | Gnea | EnsignRedshirt: it's just a kernel, not very at all |
| 15:42.28 | xiao | asg, i want to know after using dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, what should i do next? |
| 15:42.30 | Virtual | yes but how can I do that, do you have a tutorial or something like that that I can read? |
| 15:43.28 | Spec | Virtual: no, and all my iptables configs are unaccessable to me at this time, I usually (re)learn iptables every time i need to use them =P |
| 15:43.35 | Spec | Virtual: google.com might have tutorials that make it easy |
| 15:43.57 | davee | Which script/file calls 'ifrename' at startup under Sarge? I have one system which correctly names all its interfaces at startup, another does not. Both run current Sarge. I'm trying to troubleshoot, but I can't see where ifrename is referenced during startup - grep -ri /etc 'ifrename' returns nothing. Where should I be looking? |
| 15:44.01 | Virtual | i`ll search |
| 15:44.05 | Spec | Virtual: it'd be easy if i had access to my configs, 'cause that's exactly what i use iptables for :p |
| 15:44.09 | EnsignRedshirt | Gnea: Well, my other computers are running 2.6, so I might as well. I'll give a shot later today. |
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| 15:44.20 | EnsignRedshirt | Gnea: Thanks for your help! |
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| 15:44.42 | Gnea | EnsignRedshirt: it's very simple actually: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 module-init-tools |
| 15:44.48 | Virtual | Spec: well why don`t you ? :) |
| 15:45.10 | exerd | hmm i need help how to mount my mp3player...I have no clue how to do |
| 15:45.10 | Gnea | EnsignRedshirt: you'll have it working in less than 30 minutes |
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| 15:45.17 | Spec | Virtual: i set 'em up for school, and i've graduated so i don't have access anymore :-/ |
| 15:45.25 | Gnea | EnsignRedshirt: but whatever, good luck |
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| 15:45.28 | Virtual | heh |
| 15:45.29 | Spec | Virtual: and i set them up for my teacher, and i don't have access to his box anymore, either -.- |
| 15:46.06 | EnsignRedshirt | Gnea: "...less than 30 minutes" Famous last words :) I'll update after lunch. |
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| 15:46.14 | Gnea | hahaha |
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| 15:46.51 | doojin | hi guys |
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| 15:47.06 | doojin | can I install various versions of debian with only one version of debian install cd? |
| 15:47.17 | blas | i looking for nforce sound driver in sarge |
| 15:47.26 | K_Dallas | doojin, if you are not connected, no |
| 15:47.28 | Spec | if you were to make a debian install cd that installed various versions...then I don't see why not |
| 15:47.33 | blas | i got 2.4 kernel |
| 15:47.42 | Gnea | blas: go 2.6 and use alsa |
| 15:47.47 | blas | thx |
| 15:47.59 | jbmigel | doojin you can install stable with stable cd... then switch to testing/unstable at will. |
| 15:48.06 | doojin | K-dalls : if I am? |
| 15:48.15 | K_Dallas | Spec, in that case, the question should have been: How do i make multiple-debian CD ;) |
| 15:48.24 | doojin | what? |
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| 15:48.45 | destr0___ | how do you list packages available for install? |
| 15:48.51 | doojin | since I feel bothered on burning a cd.. I prefer making a floppy boot disket |
| 15:48.51 | Spec | K_Dallas: he asked if it was possible :p, it'd be "one version", it'd just be a custom version :p |
| 15:48.54 | K_Dallas | doojin, if you are connected yo ucould install a base and add to your sources.list the version you like to install and go fro mthere |
| 15:48.55 | greycat | k_Dallas: can you translate that question into English? |
| 15:49.04 | K_Dallas | Spec, :) true |
| 15:49.20 | doojin | K-dalls : the installer displays the versions? |
| 15:49.22 | Spec | but i like being a pain in the ass :p |
| 15:49.33 | exerd | I need help how to mount my mp3-player...I have no clue how to do |
| 15:49.42 | greycat | *which* mp3 player? |
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| 15:49.55 | Spec | usb? firewire? serial? |
| 15:49.58 | exerd | Usb |
| 15:50.05 | Spec | i have yet to see a serial mp3 player...but i want to |
| 15:50.09 | greycat | oh, it's a secret. I see. |
| 15:50.12 | InitMass | is it possible to choose which soundcard realplayer should use? |
| 15:50.26 | exerd | greycat, Its usb 1 |
| 15:50.45 | Gnea | InitMass: not easily, if at all |
| 15:50.46 | greycat | iPod? Neuros? Rio? iRiver? |
| 15:50.47 | Spec | Alsa controls that, doesn't it? |
| 15:50.53 | cahoot | InitMass: tried defining a !pcm.default in .asoundrc? |
| 15:50.55 | Gnea | GENERIC MP3 PLAYER |
| 15:51.09 | K_Dallas | doojin, if you start with the netinstall CD, you are asked where you want to download the packages from, i THINK there is an option to add your own link in which case you could add testing, unstable, ... |
| 15:51.10 | InitMass | cahoot, no i haven't |
| 15:51.17 | greycat | if it's an iPod, we shall point and laugh. |
| 15:51.25 | Gnea | cahoot: is there a .asoundrc generator? |
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| 15:51.31 | InitMass | cahoot, is it possible to specify which program should use a certain card? |
| 15:51.34 | doojin | huh |
| 15:51.35 | cmihai | How does Debian (well, Linux) fare with USB IrDA dongles (for transferring data to a Nokia 6610i for example)? Does Gnokii or a similar program fair well with that ?! |
| 15:51.36 | doojin | netinstall cd |
| 15:51.45 | doojin | can I use net-install with a floppy disk? |
| 15:51.55 | InitMass | Gnea, i thought so :( |
| 15:51.59 | exerd | greycat, oh its a netac |
| 15:52.00 | K_Dallas | doojin, i dont know try the debian.org |
| 15:52.06 | cahoot | InitMass: don't know about xmms - alsaplayer can be told to use card0|1 etc |
| 15:52.08 | Gnea | InitMass: it might be possible with cahoot's suggestion |
| 15:52.12 | Spec | Is it easy to have two soundcards (laptop->internal, and usb external), and easily switch between the two? Perhaps have something (hotplug?) switch to the external soundcard if it's found, and if not use the internal soundcard? If so, where's a good tutorial for this type of stuff? |
| 15:52.12 | exerd | greycat, i mounted it a long time ago but i cant remeber how i did |
| 15:52.18 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:52.21 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.23 | exerd | greycat, like what i shall mount |
| 15:52.24 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:52.40 | Gnea | i upgraded and my other soundcard looks like it's broke now heh |
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| 15:53.08 | Gnea | 0000:01:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] |
| 15:53.08 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.09 | doojin | I hope I 'll be able to use qemu |
| 15:53.15 | cmihai | usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 2 |
| 15:53.28 | cmihai | That's all I see when I introduce the USB IrDA dongle... |
| 15:53.34 | Spec | greycat: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=netac+mount+linux |
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| 15:53.47 | blas | Gnea: whats up with arts? |
| 15:53.47 | jbmigel | doojin qemu works great in debian |
| 15:53.55 | Spec | qemu rocks my world |
| 15:54.15 | InitMass | cahoot, all other apps are working as i want |
| 15:54.23 | cahoot | InitMass: xmms seems to offer the option to define what alsa device it should use |
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| 15:54.43 | doojin | huh |
| 15:54.51 | doojin | I think I can't play gta vice city in qemu |
| 15:54.56 | InitMass | cahoot, xmms is using the right card |
| 15:55.04 | Gnea | blas: what? |
| 15:55.05 | cahoot | InitMass: hw:0,0 or hw:1,0 etc |
| 15:55.08 | exerd | greycat, but what shall i mount? mount ???? |
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| 15:55.25 | greycat | Someone please make the pain stop. |
| 15:55.34 | Gnea | !beer greycat |
| 15:55.34 | jbmigel | doojin i think for that you need ps2emu |
| 15:55.35 | Spec | how? |
| 15:55.43 | Spec | !keg greycat |
| 15:55.45 | Spec | aww... |
| 15:55.47 | greycat | heh |
| 15:55.50 | Gnea | rofl |
| 15:55.50 | doojin | ps2emu |
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| 15:55.57 | doojin | ps2emu is not available yet |
| 15:56.25 | doojin | I fucked up 10 cds during burning process |
| 15:56.27 | greycat | exerd: if (**IF**) it is a standard USB mass storage device, then it should appear as a SCSI disk once you plug it in. If, that is, your kernel has the proper drivers loaded. |
| 15:56.31 | cahoot | InitMass: sorry - it was realplayer you had proib with - doesn't it use /dev/dsp? |
| 15:56.37 | doojin | that's why I avoid using netinstall cd |
| 15:56.40 | greycat | exerd: did you even READ any of the google hits on the suggested keywords? |
| 15:57.03 | InitMass | cahoot, yes it does but i would prefer if it used /dev/dsp1 instead |
| 15:57.07 | directhex|work | greycat, could be worse, you could be beating your head against solaris |
| 15:57.19 | jbmigel | doojin you have to set your burning software to "burn iso image" mode or it wont work |
| 15:57.28 | greycat | directhex|work: /ctcp greycat version |
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| 15:57.53 | Spec | *steals version information and sells it on the blackmarket* |
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| 15:58.07 | Spec | I don't think I've ever used an HP-UX |
| 15:58.08 | TBBle | Someone was here yesterday asking about a Debian/solaris port. ^_^ |
| 15:58.10 | doojin | I bought 10 cds from fancy stuff stores |
| 15:58.20 | doojin | I choosed wrong place |
| 15:58.23 | doojin | *chose |
| 15:58.38 | directhex|work | greycat, can hp-ux shut down when /tmp is not writeable? |
| 15:58.47 | PolarWolf | TBBle: should be doable |
| 15:58.52 | TBBle | That's what I said. |
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| 15:58.58 | greycat | directhex|work: it spams the console with "/tmp file system full" type messages, about 10 per second |
| 15:59.00 | cahoot | InitMass: I suspect the least painful is to load the modules in the order you want them numbered by alsa |
| 15:59.01 | directhex|work | TBBle, opensolaris's license isn't DFSG-free |
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| 15:59.09 | directhex|work | greycat, does it eventually power down? |
| 15:59.11 | TBBle | Oh. |
| 15:59.11 | greycat | directhex|work: never seen it crash from that yet, though |
| 15:59.21 | jbmigel | doojin: http://www.osdisc.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi/products/linux/debian/i386.html |
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| 15:59.48 | doojin | huh |
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| 15:59.57 | doojin | jbmigel : do you have a joystick? |
| 16:00.02 | doojin | I want to buy one |
| 16:00.10 | jbmigel | lol |
| 16:00.15 | directhex|work | greycat, okay, here's another, if you're using NIS-based user authentication, and the NIS server goes down, can you shut down an HP-UX machine which expects said server to be there?? |
| 16:00.28 | directhex|work | greycat, if the answer to either of the two previous questions is "yes", HP-UX wins |
| 16:00.35 | blas | Gnea: sound driver. |
| 16:00.35 | Gokee2 | Hey all whats the best way to install Unreal Tournament 2004 on debian? With gentoo I could emerge it and it would find all the patches and stuff. Does debian have it in apt? Or do I have to manuly do everything? |
| 16:00.51 | jbmigel | doojin i have no joystick, sorry |
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| 16:01.05 | greycat | directhex|work: not sure on the latter. I suspect things will just take a hell of a long time to time out. |
| 16:01.05 | directhex|work | Gokee2, mount the cd, run "sh /media/cdrom0/linux-installer.sh" |
| 16:01.05 | Spec | yeap |
| 16:01.05 | EnsignRedshirt | Gnea: I decided to try it *before* lunch. You were so right. With 2.6.8, the drive works. Again, many thanks! |
| 16:01.05 | Spec | that's the best way |
| 16:01.16 | directhex|work | greycat, i gave it 30 minutes |
| 16:01.18 | greycat | directhex|work: or you can hit the (soft) power button on the workstations; it'll sync the file systems. |
| 16:01.29 | Spec | I think I missed something in my kernel...I can burn audio cds, but I can't mount them :-/ |
| 16:01.33 | InitMass | cahoot, dsp is my internal soundcard on the laptop and dsp1 the usb device. when i don't have the usb plugged in i want eg skype to still be able to ring without changing in the app |
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| 16:01.41 | cmihai | Spec: you don't. You just play them. |
| 16:01.47 | cmihai | Or rip them. |
| 16:01.48 | Spec | oi, you can't mount them? |
| 16:01.52 | Spec | *stupid* |
| 16:01.54 | Gokee2 | directhex|work, Thanks |
| 16:01.57 | cmihai | Smart. |
| 16:02.02 | Spec | no, me |
| 16:02.06 | cmihai | All you'd see is (just like good old windows) "tracks" |
| 16:02.06 | FieldySnuts | !stupid |
| 16:02.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, stupid is the typical person. or Linux distro flamewars, BSD-vs-Linux flamewars, and anything with "vs" and "flame" and "war" in it, unless it's Vietnam. Wich would fall into the "plain braindead" category, or the opposite of smart, or alias rm='rm -rf /', or well, stupid is as stupid does. |
| 16:02.15 | cmihai | But you can grab those with "dd" |
| 16:02.32 | directhex|work | Gokee2, for patching, go to liflg.org, download a patch, and run "sh ut2004-blahblah.sh" |
| 16:02.36 | mikeX | Spec, there is a program that allows mounting them |
| 16:02.43 | cahoot | InitMass: I've not found a good solution to that (sharing your experience) |
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| 16:02.57 | Spec | i don't need to mount it, if I can just point to /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 and play the music :p |
| 16:03.01 | ix | root! <3 |
| 16:03.02 | Gokee2 | directhex|work, ok |
| 16:03.02 | mikeX | Spec, cdfs-src - shows the tracks on a CD as normal files |
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| 16:03.28 | FieldySnuts | apt: aussiesmite Elblues |
| 16:03.30 | InitMass | cahoot, it feels good to hear that someone else have struggled with the same problem |
| 16:03.38 | TBBle | Sounds like a good candidate for fuse. |
| 16:03.40 | earl | Hi everyone. I've installed a 32-bit chroot on my AMD64 Sarge setup. However, when I apt-get to install packages on this chroot, I get dependency errors for real small things, like cpp or libidl0. I've been led to believe that these are mainly installed or something, but it won't let me install them anyway, it just gives more dependencies all the way down to gcc-3.3 and then it installs that but that doesn't fix anything. Please help ;( |
| 16:03.46 | mikeX | Spec, you can |
| 16:03.49 | Bac9 | has anyone had any experiance with dynamic dns and domains? is it better to register a domain from same registrar that provides dynamic dns or do it seperatly? any recomendations on who has decent service for decent price? |
| 16:04.08 | directhex|work | earl, what did you debootstrap - sarge, etch, sid? |
| 16:04.10 | greycat | earl: I'd start out with "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 16:04.36 | earl | greycat, I've tried that. directhex, I bootstrapped sid. |
| 16:04.42 | cahoot | InitMass: nag them about alsa support |
| 16:05.06 | directhex|work | earl, i wouldn't be surprised if there were major bugs in sid right now. |
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| 16:05.27 | earl | should I try it with another sarge, then? |
| 16:05.39 | directhex|work | earl, i would, my ia32 chroot is fine |
| 16:05.52 | InitMass | cahoot, i will try to find an email address on the realplayer website and post a complain |
| 16:05.57 | earl | OK. How do I remove the sid version? |
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| 16:06.24 | greycat | rm -rf /mychroot |
| 16:06.36 | cmihai | There's something like Helix Player (Free RealPlayer) ... |
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| 16:07.04 | doojin | do I need to create a new netinstall cd whenever new version of netinstall cd iso appears? |
| 16:07.10 | bob2 | can it play Real formats yet? |
| 16:07.25 | cahoot | cmihai: and is it alsa aware? |
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| 16:07.45 | cmihai | Not that I know of, not that I care. Just thought I'd let you know. google && see |
| 16:07.50 | directhex|work | cahoot, no. but it's well behaved, so works with aoss |
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| 16:08.01 | jbmigel | doojin if you have internet connection you only need 1 netinstall cd untill next stable release which will be forever from now prolly |
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| 16:08.14 | directhex|work | helix player and realplayer are the same, but realplayer comes with closed-source codecs, helix only supports things like theora and vorbis |
| 16:08.23 | Jebediah | Oblique hails y'all |
| 16:08.27 | doojin | I have difficulty making a boot floppy disket |
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| 16:08.45 | Jebediah | directhex|work: heh, no wonder helix did not play back real-audio |
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| 16:09.00 | doojin | bad sector error appears whenever I try to put boot.img into a disk |
| 16:09.12 | Jebediah | doojin: so the disk is bad? |
| 16:09.20 | jbmigel | doojin sounds like your disk is crap... get a new one |
| 16:09.23 | doojin | I bought 10 floppy disks today |
| 16:09.32 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a world war |
| 16:09.33 | ravenbird | The USA will get flattened by China! |
| 16:09.34 | cmihai | So ?! |
| 16:09.43 | doojin | jesus |
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| 16:09.47 | poormanskywalker | A directory set with a=+rw will not let users write files to it. In order to create new files in this directory is to set it for executable. why can't other users write files and new sarge installation |
| 16:09.53 | jbmigel | doojin go buy a CD-R and be done with it. |
| 16:10.00 | Jebediah | doojin: if they are all bad like that try grabbign the image again |
| 16:10.01 | paulswm | !gothsmite FieldySnuts |
| 16:10.07 | FieldySnuts | NO! |
| 16:10.08 | bob2 | poormanskywalker: I'm pretty sure you need +w to write files to a dir |
| 16:10.18 | bob2 | +x is for directory traversal |
| 16:10.18 | kbs_ | a bash question: I have a file with lines like a{1,2} b{1,3,5} etc. I'd now like to do a while loop for each of those things. Clearly, for i in `cat myfile`; do ... doesn't "glob" the thing. What can I do to expand out the values? |
| 16:10.19 | greycat | !wikifaq poormanskywalker Permissions |
| 16:10.20 | dpkg | poormanskywalker: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 16:10.44 | directhex|work | !start a food fight |
| 16:10.44 | dpkg | chicken is crappy |
| 16:10.50 | FieldySnuts | to write to a directory you must at least have wx to it |
| 16:10.56 | jbmigel | is not! |
| 16:11.06 | Jebediah | Is there any method to determine bus speed on a system? Mine gets set at 33 but I don't believe that to be efficient |
| 16:11.07 | cmihai | Is dpkg.. open source ?! |
| 16:11.08 | BK | after installing jre from sun. how can i compile .jar files ? |
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| 16:11.16 | doojin | bye |
| 16:11.17 | InitMass | cahoot, if alsa was supported we would be able to chose soundcard, right? |
| 16:11.17 | directhex|work | cmihai, the bot, or the application? |
| 16:11.26 | cmihai | The bot ;) |
| 16:11.30 | greycat | kbs_: probably something weird like: while read line; do eval for i in $line; do ...; done; done < myfile |
| 16:11.31 | cmihai | I'm beggining to like it. |
| 16:11.33 | directhex|work | BK, you need the JDK not the JRE, to compile |
| 16:11.36 | earl | It won't remove everything. I don't have any applications or terminals running anything from the chroot right now, is there a command I should send to kill it? Error is rm: cannot remove directory `sid-ia32/home': Device or resource busy and rm: `sid-ia32/proc/asound/CK8S' changed dev/ino: Operation not permitted. |
| 16:11.36 | greycat | kbs_: ask #bash for more info |
| 16:11.45 | kbs_ | greycat: aah -- thanks for both tips. |
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| 16:11.55 | directhex|work | cmihai, it's a blootbot, and the database is available somehow i think |
| 16:12.04 | earl | That maybe has something to do with not being able to open my sound device in the 64-bit version. ^_^ |
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| 16:12.12 | cmihai | Yeah, that's what I mean... |
| 16:12.12 | cahoot | InitMass: looking at the man page for aoss - it might possible to define /dev/dsp1 for realplayer using aoss |
| 16:12.22 | Gokee2 | hmm how do I find out how much space I have on a drive? |
| 16:12.28 | directhex|work | Gokee2, df -h |
| 16:12.33 | Jebediah | Gokee2: df-h |
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| 16:12.43 | BK | ok directhex|work can i run jar files ? |
| 16:12.50 | Gokee2 | thank you |
| 16:12.52 | InitMass | cahoot, i'm not using aoss |
| 16:12.52 | Supaplex | is this the right way to mount a local iso image? sudo mount /media/some.iso /media/mycd -o r,loop -- demsg and syslog don't report anything unusual as to why it cannot... |
| 16:12.54 | takatumi | cmihai: /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 16:12.56 | directhex|work | BK, yes. java -jar thefile.jar |
| 16:12.57 | InitMass | cahoot, i'm using esd |
| 16:13.02 | cmihai | Aha, thanks. |
| 16:13.09 | directhex|work | BK, assuming a correct environment. it should work fine, if you installed your jre as a .deb |
| 16:13.21 | BK | i didn't :| |
| 16:13.26 | Jebediah | Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes <-- surely most newer machines are not 33MHz? |
| 16:13.31 | BK | i installed the .bin file from java.com |
| 16:13.44 | directhex|work | BK, then read docs on sun.com about all the CLASSPATH crap you need |
| 16:13.47 | earl | It won't remove everything. I don't have any applications or terminals running anything from the chroot right now, is there a command I should send to kill it? Error is rm: cannot remove directory `sid-ia32/home': Device or resource busy and rm: `sid-ia32/proc/asound/CK8S' changed dev/ino: Operation not permitted. |
| 16:14.15 | Angelo- | you probably still have /proc mounted in chroot |
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| 16:15.11 | earl | how do I unmount that, and from the normal root, the chroot won't let me in anymore ;( |
| 16:15.13 | mwilson | Man, are clueless people STILL trying to break things by screwing with the bus speed setting? |
| 16:15.21 | Angelo- | reboot |
| 16:15.35 | greycat | Jebediah: "for PIO modes". |
| 16:15.36 | earl | ok, thanks everyone. :) |
| 16:15.40 | mwilson | Jebediah: Please leave alone what you do not understand. |
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| 16:15.58 | KillerBunny | anyone uses netpipe ? |
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| 16:16.17 | KillerBunny | Cause i did a apt-get install netpipe-tcp and i cant figure out how to start it. |
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| 16:16.26 | Jebediah | I did not change it, that's why I asked if there was a way to determine what real bus speed was before doing so. |
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| 16:16.34 | mwilson | KillerBunny: And reading the documentation, of course, would never occur to you. |
| 16:16.37 | jair | hello guys. |
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| 16:16.48 | mwilson | Jebediah: And what led you to believe you needed to change it? |
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| 16:17.26 | jair | I install alsa in my debian sarge but when I do the speaker-test works fine. after the reboot I see a message "alsa not loaded" and the sound do not work the card do not appear??? |
| 16:17.26 | Jebediah | mwilson: disk performance has been sluggish since 2.6.x, I thought that may have been something that changed. |
| 16:17.42 | directhex|work | Jebediah, you probably need to enable DMA disk access |
| 16:17.46 | HobNob | hmm is it possible to ftp but using ssh? |
| 16:17.46 | jair | how could I add the alsa modules or divers get loaded at boot? |
| 16:17.51 | Jebediah | directhex|work: it is enabled |
| 16:17.55 | jair | I am using grub |
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| 16:17.59 | FieldySnuts | HobNob: sftp or scp |
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| 16:18.22 | mwilson | Jebediah: And what measurements have you made that lead you to conclude that it is "sluggish"? |
| 16:18.26 | TiMiDo | jair: try /etc/modules |
| 16:18.28 | HobNob | hnmm i was aware of scp, but don't know much about sftp |
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| 16:18.35 | TiMiDo | with you'r favorite editor of course |
| 16:19.01 | jair | TiMiDo, now it will matter if I have a ISA sound card? |
| 16:19.02 | FieldySnuts | sftp attempts to emulate a standard ftp client, but it sucks due to zero filename completion and it's braindead about spaces and other chars |
| 16:19.07 | FieldySnuts | gets the job done though |
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| 16:19.14 | TiMiDo | not really |
| 16:19.24 | Jebediah | mwilson: I don't have old tests from my 2.4.x kernels, but it's pretty noticeable. Audio skips when copying files for instance. SSH disk reading seems much slower than what I remember. |
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| 16:19.29 | bob2 | that's why everyone uses rsync |
| 16:19.35 | S3v3n | good afternoon |
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| 16:19.45 | directhex|work | Jebediah, what disk controller do you use? |
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| 16:19.50 | S3v3n | is this the right place to as a question about gentoo? |
| 16:19.51 | jair | TiMiDo, it was working the first time I install sarge and kde full now this time I installed sarge again and run the command apt-get install kde-base which install kde lightweight. |
| 16:19.58 | mwilson | "ssh disk reading"? Great... someone else who invents their own terminology. |
| 16:19.59 | bob2 | S3v3n: wtf |
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| 16:20.02 | bob2 | S3v3n: #gentoo |
| 16:20.08 | bob2 | also, 0/10 for that effort |
| 16:20.14 | Jebediah | directhex|work: I am unsure since this is a notebook, hence my asking for methods of discovery to this stuff |
| 16:20.30 | Bac9 | anyone here ever dealt with dynamic dns? |
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| 16:20.49 | jair | TiMiDo, I will try check on that directory |
| 16:20.49 | furrywolf | dynamic dns is easy |
| 16:20.50 | Jebediah | mwilson: :P You're obviously too cool for me. Sorry for not using the right term when in the holy land of IRC with kings like you |
| 16:20.50 | FinnTux | I just looked at DDNS yesterday |
| 16:20.55 | Angelo- | wow, you people are pretty hostile |
| 16:20.58 | mwilson | Jebediah: So you read the dmesg log (since you had to have in order to find that PIO line), but you couldn't read the other lines that told you the actual information about the controller(s)? |
| 16:21.08 | directhex|work | Jebediah, have a read through /var/log/dmesg - there may be mention made of DMA. i know in some instances, a generic non-DMA disk controller driver is loaded, before a DMA-enabled chipset-specific one, on some hardware combinations |
| 16:21.15 | Bac9 | furrywolf: for the most part, but finding a registrar is hard |
| 16:21.26 | Jebediah | mwilson: thank you, that is what I was asking for :) /me checks dmesg |
| 16:21.36 | furrywolf | sdns ruled above all others. but they're not still around. |
| 16:21.37 | mwilson | Gods, so clueless. |
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| 16:21.41 | Bac9 | furrywolf: is it better to have them seperate or handled by one registrar? in either case any recomendations? |
| 16:21.41 | furrywolf | (aka ods aka odns) |
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| 16:21.52 | Jebediah | mwilson: ja, were not as elite as you O king |
| 16:22.03 | directhex|work | remember, focus the right window before doing ctrl-w |
| 16:22.09 | Bac9 | furrywolf: I am looking for a first level domain |
| 16:22.14 | jair | TiMiDo, can I send you what I have in the /etc/modules? |
| 16:22.31 | jbmigel | Bac9: dyndns.org is free if you like their names, and kinda cheap otherwise |
| 16:22.39 | furrywolf | in what way? the domain registrar just sends your domain order off to the registry... unless they offer it as a service, the two are completely separate. |
| 16:23.04 | mwilson | Jebediah: Funny, you'd already looked at that file. Yes, I'm certainly elite for assuming you might have actually READ what you were looking at. |
| 16:23.12 | Bac9 | jbmigel: that's my point, I am looking for a first level, not a second level domain, and was wondering if I should get registrar to support dynamic dns or do it seperatly |
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| 16:23.17 | jair | TiMiDo, http://pastebin.com/302264 here is what I have at boot. |
| 16:23.22 | Jebediah | mwilson: what is with your attitude? |
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| 16:23.37 | jair | http://pastebin.com/302264 people how could I add the alsa modules to load at boot??? |
| 16:23.52 | Bac9 | furrywolf: that's what I am saying should I look for a registrar that offers dynamic dns service or should I get a seperat service from someone else? |
| 16:23.59 | wgi-user | Anybody here know of an application that will show you current bandwidth usage? |
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| 16:24.19 | bob2 | wgi-user: iptraf is nice |
| 16:24.32 | beardy | wgi-user: Try google for it, + linux. |
| 16:24.32 | wgi-user | bob2: X-Windows based? or Shell? |
| 16:24.48 | bob2 | wgi-user: console, of course |
| 16:24.52 | eXoDuS | bob2: so, you use ubuntu or deb? |
| 16:24.54 | FinnTux | wgi-user, nload |
| 16:25.06 | bob2 | eXoDuS: both |
| 16:25.08 | jair | I already install the: alsa-base alsa-utils alsamixergui and the kernel I am using is 2.6.8-2 i686 |
| 16:25.20 | eXoDuS | bob2: ah, interesting; ) |
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| 16:25.41 | furrywolf | what I'm saying is it doesn't matter... registering a domain and providing dyndns for a domain are completely separate things. nothing will be different if you use one place that offers both, except for only having one place to yell at when things break. :) |
| 16:25.41 | wgi-user | bob2: Would I get it from sourceforge? or will I have to do a bit more google searching? |
| 16:25.42 | TiMiDo | jair: did you do adduser user audio ? |
| 16:25.46 | bob2 | wgi-user: sudo apt-get install iptraf |
| 16:25.47 | jbmigel | Bac9 i think you should register your first level name with the cheapest place possible if you are serving from you house... what do you need them for anyway? |
| 16:25.49 | eXoDuS | bob2: i was trying it out today, but too many problems, and the irc channel is ... uh... forget that |
| 16:25.56 | directhex|work | eXoDuS, an OS is just a tool to make your life easier. in some contexts, ubuntu is easier (hardware support), in others, debian is easier (control & scalability). use the tool for the task |
| 16:25.57 | jair | TiMiDo, no my friend? |
| 16:25.58 | QaDeS | join #linux |
| 16:26.04 | underdog | Hi guys. I'm trying to install debian on my laptop, but I have a problem. PCMCIA hangs. I need to know a way to boot in debian without loading that stuff... |
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| 16:26.04 | bob2 | eXoDuS: it's not the msot technical place around, indeed |
| 16:26.06 | TiMiDo | do it as root and restart x |
| 16:26.06 | eXoDuS | directhex|work: eh? |
| 16:26.07 | QaDeS | qq |
| 16:26.07 | jair | TiMiDo, should I do that? |
| 16:26.13 | underdog | Any ideas? |
| 16:26.17 | jair | TiMiDo, ok |
| 16:26.19 | cmihai | takatumi: Thanks. So in order to implement a "clone" of "dpkg (bot)" (for some other linux chan I have) all I'd need is "blootbot" and http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/apt_dump_062005_080502.gz ? |
| 16:26.19 | eXoDuS | directhex|work: i've been using debian for 6 years, thank you |
| 16:26.32 | directhex|work | eXoDuS, where did i suggest you hadn't? |
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| 16:26.39 | jair | TiMiDo, but it is a way to add modules at boot time on the terminal? |
| 16:26.41 | TiMiDo | cmihai: and mysql |
| 16:26.43 | eXoDuS | directhex|work: why are you telling me about debian then? |
| 16:26.44 | Bac9 | furrywolf: technically you're right, but as far as service goes, is it better to have it all with one company or are there enough free and stable dynamic dns providers out there that can be used for first level domains? in eother case any recomendations? |
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| 16:27.05 | directhex|work | eXoDuS, you found it "interesting" that someone should run both ubuntu and debian |
| 16:27.07 | eXoDuS | directhex|work: i just asked bob2 what he was using since i saw him in the ubuntu irc |
| 16:27.14 | TiMiDo | jair: do apt-get install modconf and then do modconf as root, and try loading the modules on /etc/modules |
| 16:27.14 | Bac9 | jbmigel: and who do you sugest I go with dynamic dns then? |
| 16:27.18 | eXoDuS | directhex|work: ah, that |
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| 16:27.40 | takatumi | cmihai: haven't tried it, but that is the general idea. |
| 16:27.41 | jair | TiMiDo, exacly that is where you are able of see the modules perfect. |
| 16:27.49 | eXoDuS | directhex|work: i know that, still funny :P |
| 16:27.50 | furrywolf | Bac9: I'd go with a free one not related to who you register the domain with... it's easy to change between them if there's problems, unlike an all-in-one that might try tieing you to their service. (which they aren't allowed to do, but that's never stopped them) |
| 16:27.56 | eXoDuS | directhex|work: myself i use fedora and debian |
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| 16:27.59 | cmihai | Aha, ok, thanks. I'll se what I can do then. |
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| 16:28.14 | eXoDuS | directhex|work: fedora for the laptop where i can't be bothered to track down every driver for the weirdo hardware in it :) |
| 16:28.28 | jair | TiMiDo, so if I do it using the mod config I do not need to add the user audio? |
| 16:28.31 | eXoDuS | bob2: still, i didnt find that channel technical at all |
| 16:28.45 | jair | TiMiDo, I will check in the users if the audio is there |
| 16:28.46 | TiMiDo | jair: add it, is always good to add it |
| 16:28.49 | eXoDuS | bob2: it's too n00b friendly to my taste i guess |
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| 16:29.00 | Kurt2x | literally still eh |
| 16:29.03 | jair | TiMiDo, it is a way a command that shows me all the users I have. |
| 16:29.06 | Bac9 | furrywolf: how many free ones are there? (I've only found one that can do first level domains), if there are a lot then sure that might be a good idea, as far as lockin, what can they possibly lock me in with/for? |
| 16:29.09 | jair | TiMiDo, in the terminal |
| 16:29.15 | beardy | underdog: Read the installation guide/docs. Boot with a kernel withouy pcmcia perhaps. |
| 16:29.24 | TiMiDo | jair: nano /etc/passwd |
| 16:29.26 | cmihai | jair: vipw :) |
| 16:29.27 | Kurt2x | tree beardy? |
| 16:29.34 | jair | TiMiDo, I think is something like that one vip |
| 16:29.38 | furrywolf | don't know who's out there currently; it's been a while since I've needed it. |
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| 16:29.40 | jair | cool |
| 16:29.43 | beardy | Kurt2x: huh? |
| 16:29.44 | bob2 | eXoDuS: yes |
| 16:29.48 | jair | thank you cmihai ;) |
| 16:29.54 | Kurt2x | nano eh |
| 16:29.54 | Bac9 | furrywolf: static ip? |
| 16:29.57 | bob2 | eXoDuS: which is a problem, because it ends up being newbies leading newbies into brick walls |
| 16:29.59 | swim | what file should I use to pass options to modules in debian? usually I use /etc/modprobe.conf |
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| 16:30.09 | Bac9 | furrywolf: can you at least recomend registrars then? (way too many of them) |
| 16:30.15 | eXoDuS | bob2: heh that sounds like a problem yes |
| 16:30.28 | furrywolf | Bac9: I signed up with redwood virtual. $10/month and I don't need to host anything on my modem anymore. :P |
| 16:30.43 | TiMiDo | swim: modconf is a good way to do it, in my opinion |
| 16:30.47 | eXoDuS | bob2: i just found it annoying that i get scold at for being harsh to a noob that wasn't even reading what i was saying |
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| 16:31.00 | jbmigel | Bac9 in the past i have used godaddy.com, its cheap <$10 and it works |
| 16:31.02 | BK | hmm directhex|work after i run make-jpkg i get no .deb file :X |
| 16:31.08 | Bac9 | furrywolf: that might be an option later, but I first need to find hosting that does postgres |
| 16:31.13 | bob2 | eXoDuS: yes, some people are obnoxious and need to be ignored before they infect you |
| 16:31.18 | directhex|work | BK, you ran make-jpkg thefilefromsun.deb ? |
| 16:31.25 | directhex|work | BK, i think it may place it in .. |
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| 16:31.28 | swim | thx TiMiDo |
| 16:31.32 | directhex|work | bob2, sounds like some people in here |
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| 16:31.43 | BK | i ran make-jpkg thefilefromsun.bin |
| 16:31.52 | eXoDuS | bob2: i just wont go back after discussing with the other op that was there Sperea or something like that |
| 16:31.53 | furrywolf | Bac9: redwood virtual does postgres and anything else you want it to... UML linux installs. I run sarge on mine. :) |
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| 16:31.54 | directhex|work | BK, look in .. |
| 16:32.01 | takatumi | TiMiDo: modconf lets you pass options to modules? |
| 16:32.02 | Bac9 | jbmigel: any downsides? how about dynamic dns, any recomendations? |
| 16:32.18 | Kurt2x | debian needs better opengroupware.org docs and courier-mta packages |
| 16:32.34 | asg | Kurt2x: send patches to the maintainer |
| 16:32.49 | beardy | Kurt2x: Help develop it. |
| 16:32.51 | eXoDuS | bob2: guess im too used to #debian, where no one gives a damn (pretty much anyway) :p |
| 16:32.56 | Bac9 | furrywolf: and service is ok? (had some problems with downtime on other hosting services) |
| 16:32.57 | bob2 | hah |
| 16:33.10 | jbmigel | Bac9 that $10 fee for registering a name includes dns service on their website... the only "downside" I saw from them was they phoned me after registering to try to sell me crap |
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| 16:33.25 | furrywolf | Bac9: for $14/month I have three static IPs, 2gb disk, 20gb transfer... and can run anything I want on it. I need to see if I want to stick with sarge or upgrade to etch. :) |
| 16:33.26 | eXoDuS | Kurt2x: put your code where your mouth is! |
| 16:33.38 | Kurt2x | fine! |
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| 16:33.47 | Whoppix27 | hi |
| 16:34.03 | BK | directhex|work in what ? |
| 16:34.08 | furrywolf | service is ok. they had some speed issues when I first signed up (mostly bad disk latency), but those have since been fixed... uptime is pretty good too. |
| 16:34.08 | eXoDuS | Kurt2x: debian is made by you and me, if we just bitch without contributing back it's worthless |
| 16:34.09 | jjengla | Hey, is anyone here interested in clusters? |
| 16:34.12 | Bac9 | jbmigel: regular dns I assume, as far as adds, I think a lot of them do that, although I've been a tad lucky |
| 16:34.18 | directhex|work | BK, .., i.e. the parent directory |
| 16:34.18 | asg | jjengla: nut clusters? |
| 16:34.24 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.25 | wgi-user | bob2: Have you experienced any weird problems doing the "sudo apt-get install iptraf" command? We will be implementing this onto a vpn box.. and we're a little worried. |
| 16:34.33 | furrywolf | (uptime of my redwood virtual host) |
| 16:34.34 | jjengla | linucx clusters...:) |
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| 16:34.44 | directhex|work | jjengla, define what you mean |
| 16:34.46 | bob2 | wgi-user: problems? it's just installing a package. |
| 16:34.47 | Bac9 | furrywolf: I'd guess sarge is good enough for now for hosting |
| 16:34.51 | beardy | !polls |
| 16:34.51 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 16:34.52 | asg | furrywolf: no doubt |
| 16:34.53 | eXoDuS | Kurt2x: once you contributed enough and got your rank/status high you can sit on a chair and rant on bullshit on your weblog all the time, till then we just work on lil bitty pieces :) |
| 16:35.02 | jjengla | just asking....I'm a cluster guy looking for a debian sponsor |
| 16:35.15 | directhex|work | jjengla, define "cluster guy" |
| 16:35.15 | BK | directhex|work i did |
| 16:35.19 | BK | no .deb file |
| 16:35.26 | directhex|work | BK, very odd |
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| 16:35.31 | beardy | jjengla: and define "sponsor" |
| 16:35.31 | cmihai | By the way, did anyone use "distcc" before ? |
| 16:35.31 | jjengla | thats my job...I build and maintain linux clusters |
| 16:35.32 | eXoDuS | looking for a debian sponsor? |
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| 16:35.48 | eXoDuS | like a debian user that pays you or what? |
| 16:35.50 | cmihai | (distcc == distributed C compiler) ...for compiling stuff on more than one computer... |
| 16:35.51 | furrywolf | cmihai: distcc is good. I use it here... |
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| 16:35.57 | directhex|work | jjengla, and by "cluster", you mean...? what kinds of interconnects, what CPU densities? |
| 16:36.03 | jjengla | yeah....sponsor...they say you need a sponsor to become a debian maintainer |
| 16:36.12 | eXoDuS | jjengla: ah |
| 16:36.16 | beardy | jjengla: oh |
| 16:36.19 | cmihai | furrywolf: just wondering how well it works on linux |
| 16:36.20 | Bac9 | furrywolf: thanx for the info... no to find dynamc dns provider (don't want to risk hosting just yet, and besides I'll need it later for another thing) |
| 16:36.36 | jbmigel | jjengla sounds good to me, give me your address and ill send over some cd's! |
| 16:36.38 | asg | jjengla: the debian-mentors list is your best bet then, few DDs hang out in there |
| 16:36.40 | jjengla | Interconnect=myrinet or infiniband most often |
| 16:36.42 | zinx | jjengla: you'll probably have better luck on the lists |
| 16:36.42 | BK | directhex|work again, i sould run fake-root make-jpkg fileformsun.bin. right ? |
| 16:36.45 | furrywolf | Bac9: heh. I don't consider redwood virtual to be hosting... virtual server. :) |
| 16:36.55 | jjengla | sa density is approaching 4096+ nodes |
| 16:36.56 | asg | s/there/here/ |
| 16:37.25 | jjengla | I've tried the list )just yesterday)...maybe I'll give it more time |
| 16:37.29 | directhex|work | jjengla, what are you seeking to package, bearing in mind things like GM aren;t meant to be redistrubuted? |
| 16:37.34 | Bac9 | furrywolf: so you're saying they just give you a virtual box and you do what you want with it? |
| 16:37.41 | furrywolf | Bac9: exactly. |
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| 16:37.49 | jjengla | I've got a deb for some software I wrote for diskless computing |
| 16:37.58 | Bac9 | furrywolf: do you get to pay with virtual $$$ for their virtual service? |
| 16:38.04 | jjengla | its called oneSIS http://onesis.org |
| 16:38.15 | jjengla | it kicks all forms of ass |
| 16:38.16 | Rohtlatco | Bac9 : There's nothing wrong with virtual hosting. |
| 16:38.29 | Rohtlatco | Bac9 : Helps maintain good uptime, and it's cheaper. |
| 16:38.30 | Bac9 | Rohtlatco: I was just making a joke |
| 16:38.45 | Rohtlatco | In Soviet Russia, joke makes YOU. |
| 16:38.57 | Bac9 | Rohtlatco: alas that's quite true |
| 16:39.02 | furrywolf | I run debian sarge on mine... with every app I've needed. I also have a chroot sarge install, and with pam-chroot, can give out user accounts that are stuck within the chroot environment... all the fun things you could do on your own debian box. |
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| 16:39.15 | directhex|work | jjengla, this is slightly offtopic, but what remote file system do you use for a cluster that large? would have thought NFS would choke on 4096 concurrent mounts of /home (sorry for the hostility, most people seem to think two old 486's connected by 10basetx tcp/ip is a proper cluster) |
| 16:39.17 | valdyn | jjengla: does not resolve for me. IP ? |
| 16:39.22 | jjengla | jbmigel: what address? |
| 16:39.35 | takatumi | valdyn: does here. |
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| 16:39.43 | Rohtlatco | directhex|work : I'd probably use AFS for something that big. |
| 16:39.45 | Bac9 | furrywolf: haven't gone exploring into public account teritory yet |
| 16:39.53 | Rohtlatco | Thank God I don't have to; AFS is a royal pain. |
| 16:40.03 | wgi-user | bob2: thanks very much for the help. It works great. |
| 16:40.08 | furrywolf | (mostly so I can give accounts to offline friends, family, etc, without them seeing I also run a number of furry sites, a toy store, and things like that. :) |
| 16:40.20 | valdyn | takatumi: this isp is been blocked from a large segment for 2 years =/ |
| 16:40.20 | beardy | directhex|work: Everybody should know you can only use 386's for that. |
| 16:40.24 | Rohtlatco | furrywolf : Ew, you run a toy store? |
| 16:40.29 | Rohtlatco | ;) |
| 16:40.34 | Bac9 | furrywolf: what toys do you sell? |
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| 16:40.40 | bob2 | a furry toy store? |
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| 16:40.48 | directhex|work | beardy, yeah ¬_¬ |
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| 16:40.48 | furrywolf | heh. well, I was going to run a toy store, but decided I couldn't compete on price. |
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| 16:41.00 | takatumi | valdyn: anon-proxy? |
| 16:41.13 | directhex|work | beardy, i'm all for people playing with their own kit, but i'd prefer they term it a farm, if it's using tcp/ip (or generally, if it's not using MPI) |
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| 16:41.34 | Rohtlatco | directhex|work : How aboot MOSIX? |
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| 16:41.48 | takatumi | valdyn: oh you mean your isp, dump it. |
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| 16:41.53 | jjengla_ | should resolv...otherwise try 146.246.248.58 |
| 16:42.04 | valdyn | takatumi: hmm? i use a random open proxy when i need it. yes, im dumping it. |
| 16:42.25 | directhex|work | Rohtlatco, i'm just a snob on the topic, i suppose. comes from working here. |
| 16:42.29 | Bac9 | furrywolf: I donno about account stuff, had a huge pain upgrading from woody to sarge as far as pam, and any other databases for that matter, still run samba from woody because one in sarge locks out some boxes |
| 16:42.32 | Rohtlatco | Is it possible for me to get one *.<domain> SSL certificate (from, e.g., Thawte), and use that for all of my servers? |
| 16:42.34 | subvertir | ...and slow releases! |
| 16:42.54 | Rohtlatco | ^--- Not a Debian question, I know, but meh. |
| 16:42.54 | furrywolf | Bac9: don't run samba on your virtual server. plain and simple. :P |
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| 16:43.12 | Bac9 | furrywolf: I was refering to my home network |
| 16:43.27 | furrywolf | when you sign up with redwood virtual, you can pick which debian distribution you'd like them to put on it first... after that you can do whatever you want. |
| 16:43.30 | Bac9 | furrywolf: but definitly a server for hosting should just run things for hosting |
| 16:43.33 | kzar | is there a command to automaticaly format a messily layed out lump of code? |
| 16:43.46 | Spec | kzar: rm -f |
| 16:43.47 | sussudio | !confuse kzar |
| 16:43.48 | jjengla_ | otherwise, is there anyone willing to sponsor my deb for inclusion in debian? |
| 16:43.48 | dpkg | Yes, them are their badger yesterday, kzar? shirts of the dictatorship of belarus with extra herring |
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| 16:43.56 | kzar | Spec: ... |
| 16:44.01 | Spec | rewrite it all? |
| 16:44.01 | furrywolf | kzar: man indent. but I personally find its output to often be worse than its input. |
| 16:44.05 | Bac9 | furrywolf: that's nice to hear |
| 16:44.11 | Rohtlatco | kzar : Depends heavily on the language, I would think. |
| 16:44.19 | kzar | oops I didn't say, its c |
| 16:44.25 | kzar | il try indent then |
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| 16:44.39 | BK | ha |
| 16:44.41 | BK | now i know the problem |
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| 16:44.43 | Rohtlatco | kzar: A quick apt-cache search shows: trueprint |
| 16:44.58 | BK | directhex|work it tells me, No matching plugin was found. |
| 16:45.06 | BK | huss i d/led the wrong ile |
| 16:45.07 | BK | file |
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| 16:45.12 | Bac9 | furrywolf: by the way your package details don't seem to match up to any of their packages |
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| 16:45.37 | Rohtlatco | kzar : (apt-cache search C pretty print) |
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| 16:45.47 | furrywolf | Bac9: I have the $10/month plan, plus an extra $2/month times 2 for the extra two static IPs. |
| 16:46.04 | darkskiez | so tg3 ethernet has been removed from the debian kernel.. is there a package that provides this? |
| 16:46.07 | kimo | has anyone used Cisco vpn client? It needs to compile a kernel module! I was wondering if I can use an open alternative ? |
| 16:46.08 | HobNob | hmm what kind of configuration is required on the server end for sftp? |
| 16:46.13 | Rohtlatco | darkskiez : Really? |
| 16:46.22 | Bac9 | furrywolf: ohh nice they provide ipv6... about time |
| 16:46.25 | Rohtlatco | darkskiez : Funky. You might just compile your own kernel. It's not too hard. |
| 16:46.41 | Rohtlatco | kimo : Yes, I have, and maybe; hold on. |
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| 16:46.54 | darkskiez | Rohtlatco, I know. Its not an urgency, i was just wondering what other folks are supposed to do? |
| 16:47.08 | Bac9 | furrywolf: thanx for the recomendation, by they how do they/you handle backups?, can you recomend anything else in this general area? |
| 16:47.09 | aabbbb | how can i download from a ftp location, a whole directory structure? |
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| 16:47.19 | kimo | Rohtlatco: thnx go ahead |
| 16:47.22 | furrywolf | Bac9: they also have extremely good tech support. when you email them, you actually get a person who knows what they're doing. :) |
| 16:47.28 | King_Brad | debian-31r0a-powerpc-netinst.iso <---- is that etch?? the testing version?? |
| 16:47.34 | furrywolf | Bac9: plus I get a kickback for every person I sign up. :P |
| 16:47.40 | directhex|work | King_Brad, no, that's sarge |
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| 16:47.48 | King_Brad | k |
| 16:47.52 | Bac9 | furrywolf: and if their disk dies does that mean you have to reinstall everything or do they do backups themselves? |
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| 16:48.08 | King_Brad | is there a netinstall for etch? |
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| 16:48.11 | Rohtlatco | kimo : There /is/ one.. I had an email about it, but I've lost it. |
| 16:48.17 | Rohtlatco | Ah, this is it. |
| 16:48.20 | kimo | Rohtlatco: is it vpnc ? |
| 16:48.27 | Rohtlatco | kimo: Yeah, that's the one. |
| 16:48.31 | Bac9 | King_Brad: install sarge then upgrade |
| 16:48.35 | OFC|ACiD^pug | ???? <-- should be euro symbols |
| 16:48.40 | aabbbb | i wan't to download all the dirs from ftp://localhost/software ; software dir containing a lot of other dirs...and i want to download'em all |
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| 16:48.42 | Rohtlatco | kimo: I never tried it. The Cisco VPM one isn't so bad, except for the non-free-ness. |
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| 16:48.46 | kimo | Rohtlatco: so it does actually work as a cisco replacement? have u tried it |
| 16:48.48 | Rohtlatco | King_Brad : Use stable and then just upgrade. |
| 16:48.52 | furrywolf | Bac9: not sure. I'd hope they do at least occasional backups... but I make my own occasionally just to be sure. :) |
| 16:48.55 | kimo | Rohtlatco: ahh... |
| 16:49.03 | Rohtlatco | kimo: I believe people got it to work, but it was a bit rocky.. or something. |
| 16:49.04 | OFC|ACiD^pug | does it work ? |
| 16:49.12 | Bac9 | furrywolf: do you just scp it to your own home box? |
| 16:49.14 | Rohtlatco | kimo: Try it out, and report your problems upstream. |
| 16:49.18 | kryptech | I hate my sister, she crapped up my bootloader and made me doa hd wipe to reinstall debian... lost everything |
| 16:49.28 | King_Brad | its much eaiser to just install the testing rls :) |
| 16:49.39 | Bac9 | furrywolf: so any registrar you can recomend as being good both in price and service? |
| 16:49.48 | Rohtlatco | kryptech : Messing up the bootloader does not necessitate a reinstall. |
| 16:49.50 | beardy | kryptech: Why not fix your bootloader? |
| 16:49.52 | kryptech | as long as their ICANN |
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| 16:50.01 | OFC|ACiD^pug | i tried en_US en_US.ISO-8859-15 and en_US.UTF-8 |
| 16:50.02 | furrywolf | Bac9: sdns will do $10/year, but don't expect support. :) |
| 16:50.05 | OFC|ACiD^pug | none worked :) |
| 16:50.06 | jair | TiMiDo, and cmihai I did the steps you guys told me I will reboot the machine to see if load at the boot and everything works ;) |
| 16:50.07 | OFC|ACiD^pug | :( |
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| 16:50.12 | jjengla_ | kryptech: if you're partitions are intact you dont need to reinstall |
| 16:50.13 | kryptech | Rohtlatco: I tried all day yesterday |
| 16:50.14 | King_Brad | but there is no torrents for the newest testing :( |
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| 16:50.33 | kryptech | my init.d inittab were all GONE |
| 16:50.34 | Rohtlatco | OFC|ACiD^pug : Am I to understand that you are trying to get European characters from en_US locales? |
| 16:50.41 | OFC|ACiD^pug | jeps |
| 16:50.54 | Rohtlatco | You realize the US isn't in Europe, right? |
| 16:51.07 | OFC|ACiD^pug | but its the iso charset ? |
| 16:51.11 | kryptech | what u talking but bro, us ownz all brother |
| 16:51.14 | jjengla_ | thats a different story...reinstalling is last ditch...what a pain |
| 16:51.15 | kryptech | ;-) |
| 16:51.26 | Rohtlatco | OFC|ACiD^pug : Did you try one of the European EN locales? |
| 16:51.29 | ixi | Hi. Is there a supported linmodem database? The link from Linmodem-HOWTO ( http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html ) looks dead now... |
| 16:51.30 | Bac9 | furrywolf: $10 a year USD is pretty common, so I am guessing you haven't tried others? |
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| 16:51.39 | kryptech | jjengla_: I think she screwed with the hd somehow |
| 16:51.40 | furrywolf | as for backups, I know they have a well-mirrored RAID system... |
| 16:51.42 | Rohtlatco | ixi: Just buy a USR hardware modem. |
| 16:52.09 | Rohtlatco | kryptech : You might try BG-Rescue. It has lots of HDD analysis/recovery tools. |
| 16:52.09 | furrywolf | Bac9: I pay $9.95/year wholesale, so not about to sell them for less than $10/year. :) |
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| 16:52.18 | Rohtlatco | kryptech : (Bootable CD) |
| 16:52.18 | kryptech | funny, dont know how she wouldve got root |
| 16:52.23 | bLAStY` | The following packages have been kept back <- why is that ? :) |
| 16:52.26 | kryptech | Rohlatco: thanks |
| 16:52.27 | Rohtlatco | kryptech : You can get root pretty easily with a *nix Live CD. |
| 16:52.32 | Bac9 | furrywolf: oh is it yours? |
| 16:52.32 | kryptech | I did |
| 16:52.35 | Rohtlatco | bLAStY` : You didn't do a dist-upgrade? |
| 16:52.37 | OFC|ACiD^pug | Rohtlatco, which one do you mean ? |
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| 16:52.51 | King_Brad | what kernel does sarge come with?? |
| 16:52.53 | jjengla_ | I've been trying to get my wife to break root for years...hasn't got it yet... |
| 16:52.54 | bLAStY` | ah true :) |
| 16:52.57 | furrywolf | oh, and all domains registered with SDNS have things like "This company may be contacted for domain login/passwords, DNS/Nameserver changes, anything related to bushy tails or pointy ears, and general domain support questions." in the whois. :) |
| 16:53.14 | kryptech | tried KNOPPIX-std on it and chrooted in but couldnt figure out wtf was going wrong |
| 16:53.19 | Rohtlatco | bLAStY` : It means upgrading those packages would have caused a change in the list of installed packages. 'upgrade' won't do that; 'dist-upgrade' will. |
| 16:53.23 | Bac9 | furrywolf: is that good or bad? |
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| 16:53.29 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 16:53.39 | jjengla_ | knoppix...chroot...apt-get upgrade |
| 16:53.45 | Rohtlatco | bLAStY` : It's usually okay, because it means an old package was replaced by a new one. I suppose the idea is that it might be an old package was just removed, period, and you really want it. |
| 16:53.53 | directhex|work | King_Brad, 2.4.27 and 2.6.8, on i386 |
| 16:53.54 | beardy | kryptech: Take backups of important things next time. |
| 16:54.02 | Rohtlatco | OFC|ACiD^pug : One moment.. |
| 16:54.03 | jjengla_ | knoppix...chroot...restore from backup |
| 16:54.08 | Bac9 | furrywolf: oh well, thanx for your advice, now to go hunt for a dynamic dns provider |
| 16:54.10 | kryptech | beardy: I did, or at least I thought I did |
| 16:54.14 | bLAStY` | I didnt login to that box for like 50 days, forgot debian sarge is stable now :) |
| 16:54.14 | jjengla_ | knoppix...chroot...beat up your sister |
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| 16:54.32 | kryptech | beardy: thats when god got me... the backup was crashed too |
| 16:54.42 | OFC|ACiD^pug | and, its not only the euro, via irc and usenet the ascii chars 95hex and 96hex and 93hex doesnt show proper |
| 16:54.47 | kryptech | I guess she dropped it or something |
| 16:54.48 | Bac9 | furrywolf: by the way can't find sdns on google |
| 16:54.49 | Rohtlatco | OFC|ACiD^pug : Try ISO-8859-1 ? |
| 16:54.55 | furrywolf | Bac9: I used to do dynamic dns too, but that was a large money sink... |
| 16:54.55 | ixi | Does anybody know a database of supported linmodems? |
| 16:55.02 | OFC|ACiD^pug | xchat shows a square with the hexnumber in it |
| 16:55.07 | furrywolf | Bac9: that's because I haven't done anything publically in over 5 years. |
| 16:55.08 | beardy | kryptech: Do a real backup, to a media that you keep safe, far away from fires and sisters. |
| 16:55.13 | OFC|ACiD^pug | and so shows Pan newsreader |
| 16:55.18 | kryptech | beardy: external hd |
| 16:55.22 | OFC|ACiD^pug | but in firefox it works ?!? |
| 16:55.28 | Bac9 | furrywolf: in what way? there are free dynamic dns providers and you're already paying for your internet connection |
| 16:55.35 | Rohtlatco | OFC|ACiD^pug : Firefox might use a different font renderer. |
| 16:55.38 | stew | ixi: tried linmodems.org ? |
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| 16:55.57 | ixi | stew: no. will try it now... |
| 16:55.58 | Rohtlatco | Fonts and whatnot on Linux have always sort of mystified me. |
| 16:55.58 | kryptech | damn... I'm gonna have to redownload all my illegal software all over again |
| 16:55.58 | Bac9 | furrywolf: so where's the money sink? |
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| 16:56.04 | kryptech | just kidding |
| 16:56.06 | takatumi | ixi: which one is it? |
| 16:56.11 | Rohtlatco | ~lart kryptech |
| 16:56.12 | OFC|ACiD^pug | and in the console it shows the euro, too |
| 16:56.16 | Rohtlatco | LOL. |
| 16:56.18 | furrywolf | no... sdns offered dynamic dns. but it was costing more to run, in terms of server bandwidth, cpu, etc, not to mention my time giving support, than the advertising made. |
| 16:56.22 | Rohtlatco | That's quite ironic. |
| 16:56.25 | beardy | kryptech: If your backup was useless, do more backups, backups of the backup, next time. |
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| 16:56.40 | kryptech | beardy: dont worry... I will |
| 16:56.48 | King_Brad | any idea how easy it is to install Debian on a mac? |
| 16:56.51 | kryptech | plus, everything that REALLY mattered was on CVS |
| 16:56.52 | furrywolf | I was only getting about 1 cent per thousand impressions from the ads... and it cost more than that just to serve the banners. |
| 16:56.53 | OFC|ACiD^pug | and if i type the euro symbol in xchat i can see it, but the others in chan not .... |
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| 16:57.14 | Bac9 | furrywolf: oh ok, so then why isn't it better to have dynamic dns service with the registrar as opposed to a seperate company? |
| 16:57.34 | furrywolf | it doesn't really matter, as I said. they're separate functions. |
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| 16:57.47 | S0n1 | hi someone see this error... |
| 16:57.47 | Bac9 | furrywolf: I am guessing dynamic dns bandwidth cost is about as much as cost of framing |
| 16:57.50 | S0n1 | Jun 20 13:54:43 localhost imapd: couriertls: /usr/share/imapd.pem: error:02001002:system library:fopen:No such file or directory |
| 16:57.57 | beardy | OFC|ACiD^pug: Are you in a lot of currency or economic related channels, if not, why not just type "euro" or "euros"? |
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| 16:58.15 | Bac9 | furrywolf: seperate functions yes, but they are also seperate points of failure on a chain |
| 16:58.22 | kryptech | well, I'm off to redownload a bunch of debs from my dads high speed connection |
| 16:58.29 | Bac9 | furrywolf: that's what I am concerned about |
| 16:58.31 | ixi | takatumi: er.. I have 2 such pieces of er.. electronic :) 1) 3Com with AD1807JS chip on it and 2) Acorp with Conexant RH56D/SP-PCI chip (if these numbers make sens - I'm not specialist in this ) |
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| 16:59.08 | furrywolf | your domain registrar does _nothing_ once they send the domain off to the registry. your registrar can vanish off the face of the planet and it won't cause you downtime. hence there's no change in failure rates on that whether your dyndns provider is separate or not... |
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| 16:59.41 | Bac9 | furrywolf: does the registrar not keep you on their nameservers? |
| 17:00.02 | jjengla_ | Bac9: usually you set up your own DNS |
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| 17:00.16 | furrywolf | nope. registrar does nothing. if they're an icann-official one they might run a whois server, but that's about it. |
| 17:00.25 | Bac9 | jjengla_: the registrar usually points to your NS |
| 17:00.36 | jjengla_ | the registrar will try to sell you hosting services, but if you are hosting your own site, you're running your own DNS server |
| 17:00.37 | Bac9 | furrywolf: oh ok, nice to know |
| 17:00.39 | OFC|ACiD^pug | no im not ... but 1. i just dont understand it :D and 2. if something is wrong with my pc ... i want it to work =) |
| 17:00.41 | takatumi | ixi: the conexant will probably need drivers from linuxant.com (not free) |
| 17:00.57 | Bac9 | jjengla_: not nessesarily, you can host with just an A record |
| 17:01.01 | OFC|ACiD^pug | so .. but |
| 17:01.21 | furrywolf | no, the registrar doesn't point to your NS. when you tell them the addresses of your name servers, all they do is send them off to the root name servers. their name servers aren't involved. |
| 17:01.55 | jjengla_ | Bac9: probably...but typically you set up your own authoritative name server |
| 17:01.58 | Bac9 | furrywolf: oh ok, I thought it was different, thanx for the info... now off to find a dynamic dns provider |
| 17:02.10 | furrywolf | and I need to bbl too. cyas. :) |
| 17:02.21 | Bac9 | jjengla_: hard to set up nameserver for a domain that doesn't resolve |
| 17:02.21 | ixi | takatumi: thanks very much. I hope the not provide binary only since I'm not even going to try to insert them into my custom kernel :) |
| 17:02.44 | beardy | OFC|ACiD^pug: You have to use the right charset to be able to use ceirtain characters. And xchat has a strange behavior when it comes to charsets, so it may still use the wrong charset, even if you use the correct one otherwise. |
| 17:02.45 | OFC|ACiD^pug | i try to make it work till several weeks ... and i have no patience anymore ... |
| 17:02.52 | jjengla_ | Bac9: thus the registrar, right? register a domain and point the registrar to your NS |
| 17:02.52 | Bac9 | jjengla_: most registrars want a domain name (not ip) for the NS, so how will it resolve? |
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| 17:03.05 | furrywolf | some registrars will do DNS for you, but if you're doing dynamic dns on a second level (i.e. foo.com) domain, you don't want and can't use that. |
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| 17:03.27 | Bac9 | jjengla_: it's the pointing that's the problem most of the time, because the policy is to point to domain names and not IPs |
| 17:03.36 | jjengla_ | Bac9: you make it authoritative...the registrar will then do zone transfers on your NS to see what the DNS names are |
| 17:03.40 | beardy | OFC|ACiD^pug: which debian version are you running? |
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| 17:03.56 | Bac9 | furrywolf: elaborate please (got a tad confused) |
| 17:03.58 | OFC|ACiD^pug | [OS] Debian 3.1; Kernel 2.6.11.11 (117 processes) |
| 17:04.03 | jjengla_ | Bac9: you give the registrar the IP of your NS |
| 17:04.07 | Bac9 | furrywolf: what type of dns will registrar do? |
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| 17:04.47 | Bac9 | jjengla_: the registrars I dealt with specifically requested domain names and specifically rejected IP addresses for NS |
| 17:04.51 | Supaplex | in the 2.6 kernel config, (menuconfig) where are the file systems options located? (eg, for ext2 and network filesystems) |
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| 17:04.57 | beardy | OFC|ACiD^pug: Is the only character you need to be able to use the euro-character? |
| 17:05.03 | takatumi | ixi: they have debian packages as well, never worked for me though. the compiled modules worked fine. been a while though. |
| 17:05.04 | OFC|ACiD^pug | sec |
| 17:05.11 | jjengla_ | Bac9: change registars...you've got no chicken and no egg |
| 17:05.15 | furrywolf | most, if they even offer to do dns for you, will just give you a few A records. |
| 17:05.26 | beardy | OFC|ACiD^pug: The only "unusual" character I mean. |
| 17:05.36 | Bac9 | jjengla_: already done :-) now looking for something better |
| 17:05.54 | jjengla_ | Bac9: I used godaddy...works pretty well |
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| 17:06.13 | Bac9 | jjengla_: you mentioned pleanty of adds |
| 17:06.14 | furrywolf | godaddy sucks |
| 17:06.22 | jjengla_ | works for me... |
| 17:06.25 | Bac9 | furrywolf: sugestions? |
| 17:06.52 | OFC|ACiD^pug | beardy, these ascii chars dont work over irc and usenet : hex numbers : 0x93 0x95 and 0x96 |
| 17:06.59 | OFC|ACiD^pug | and the euro :) |
| 17:07.12 | beardy | OFC|ACiD^pug: If the people you are talking to can use the euro-char, ask them which charset they are using, and use the same. |
| 17:07.15 | OFC|ACiD^pug | http://www.asphelper.de/Referenz/ASCIIANSI.asp |
| 17:07.20 | netzize | One of my Raid-1 Arrays always degenerates while booting (it's the boot-array). Does anybody know how to solve the problem? |
| 17:07.21 | OFC|ACiD^pug | there it shows in firefox |
| 17:07.22 | furrywolf | godaddy 1) doesn't like firefox, 2) has horrible downtime and performance on their web hosting, 3) has beyond-worthless support (they ignore emails, and the phone hold queue is over an hour long, and they won't help if they ever do answer), and 4) seem to like making sure you get a truckload of spam. |
| 17:07.27 | jjengla_ | Bac9: just find the cheapest registrar that will point to your DNS for resolution |
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| 17:08.00 | furrywolf | did I mention they occasionally double-bill credit cards? |
| 17:08.14 | Bac9 | jjengla_: that's the general idea, now to find a dynamic dns provider |
| 17:08.25 | Pryon | dyndns.com? |
| 17:08.30 | jjengla_ | furrywolf: you may be right...I never go to their site, have never noticed downtime (my DNS names are propogated through the net already), and I've never needed support |
| 17:08.32 | Bac9 | furrywolf: so which registrar do you use? yourself? |
| 17:08.43 | OFC|ACiD^pug | beardy, thanks, i`ll try |
| 17:08.46 | furrywolf | Bac9: I use my own. |
| 17:09.01 | jjengla_ | furrywolf: what is yours? |
| 17:09.09 | furrywolf | jjengla_: sdns. :) |
| 17:09.15 | Bac9 | furrywolf: figures, just when I need recomendations I can't get any :-( oh well thanx |
| 17:09.30 | jjengla_ | furrywolf: but thats just DNS right? not registration |
| 17:09.33 | Bac9 | furrywolf: sdns, the one that google can't find |
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| 17:09.39 | furrywolf | opensrs registrar... not too hard to become one, just a stack of paperwork and the $1000 initial payment. |
| 17:10.08 | jjengla_ | sa i've heard of sdns, but it might not be the same one...a friend helped develop it |
| 17:10.11 | furrywolf | Bac9: that's because, as I said, sdns hasn't existed publically for over 5 years. doesn't mean I can't still register domains though. :) |
| 17:10.21 | Bac9 | furrywolf: so you had a spare $1000 between the cushions of the couch? or why did you deside to start? |
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| 17:11.07 | furrywolf | Bac9: I did this back when $35 was standard for a domain, and opensrs just came into existance. |
| 17:11.34 | Bac9 | furrywolf: and they you watched your dream burn and die? |
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| 17:11.41 | furrywolf | yep. :P |
| 17:11.52 | underdog | what's gnome 2.10 status? |
| 17:11.54 | jjengla_ | furrywolf: bum deal |
| 17:12.04 | Bac9 | furrywolf: in the end what's in a name, a rose by any other name still smells as sweet (or not) |
| 17:12.45 | Bac9 | furrywolf: but thanx for the hosting recomendation, if they are what you say they are then it's a pretty good deal |
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| 17:13.12 | Bac9 | furrywolf: or rather an average deal with a lot of controll |
| 17:13.14 | furrywolf | when I first started, I think I was the only place to offer domain registration and dynamic dns at once... right at the fall of monolith, too. |
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| 17:13.39 | Bac9 | furrywolf: there anren't that many that actually offer it all in one now either |
| 17:13.47 | Bac9 | furrywolf: framing is much more popular |
| 17:13.53 | CosmoDad | is there a way to have each new user added to the system be part of group foo automatically? |
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| 17:14.19 | jjengla_ | CosmoDad: alias useradd=useradd -g foo |
| 17:14.34 | CosmoDad | jjengla_: hm oh yeah |
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| 17:14.48 | caphuso | CosmoDad: write a simple adduser.local |
| 17:15.09 | CosmoDad | jjengla_: wouldn't that override the standard groups a new user will be added to? |
| 17:15.23 | CosmoDad | jjengla_: or are there no standard groups? |
| 17:15.33 | jjengla_ | use the useradd.local approach... |
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| 17:15.46 | CosmoDad | ok.. |
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| 17:16.05 | CosmoDad | : thx |
| 17:16.23 | jjengla_ | outta here |
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| 17:18.46 | drc | if you want to upgrade woody to sarge you shouldn't do it with apt-get but with aptitude, right? |
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| 17:19.40 | CosmoDad | drc: I'd prefer aptitude over apt-get each time, no matter what type of upgrade I do |
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| 17:21.50 | drc | CosmoDad, I just remember reading from somewhere that if you upgrade woody to sarge with apt-get you will get a broken system, true or not? |
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| 17:23.33 | caphuso | depends on how lucky you are |
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| 17:23.58 | [Granger] | heh |
| 17:24.04 | [Granger] | there's a bit of woodoo involved ;) |
| 17:24.33 | obake | hello.. i don't know what happened. but i suddenly started getting only 10fps in glxgears.. i'm using the nvidia proprietary driver |
| 17:24.42 | obake | i'm not sure but i think it started after i recompiled the kernel |
| 17:24.52 | valdyn | obake: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 17:24.58 | caphuso | obake: then you need to recompile the nvidia stuff too |
| 17:25.16 | obake | caphuso: i did |
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| 17:25.42 | obake | valdyn: direct rendering: yes |
| 17:25.55 | obake | weird |
| 17:25.56 | valdyn | obake: lsmod | grep nvidia |
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| 17:26.25 | obake | nvidia 3924540 0 |
| 17:26.47 | valdyn | obake: its obviously not used by your X server |
| 17:26.56 | valdyn | obake: lsmod | grep agp |
| 17:26.59 | furrywolf | dammit, I need to bbl. |
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| 17:27.08 | obake | valdyn: returns nothing |
| 17:27.12 | obake | =| |
| 17:27.13 | valdyn | obake: nvidia 4568860 24 |
| 17:27.15 | Isumi | obake, do you use xfree or xorg? |
| 17:27.20 | obake | i use xorg |
| 17:27.21 | furrywolf | bac9: I should be back later, you can msg me then. |
| 17:27.28 | obake | but yesterday i was getting 1200 fps |
| 17:27.29 | silverton | ohnoes! i used the official nvidia drivers and now my 3dz0r doesn't work! |
| 17:27.31 | silverton | =-o! |
| 17:27.37 | silverton | who'da thunk? |
| 17:27.46 | obake | .. |
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| 17:27.58 | silverton | obake, werd :P |
| 17:28.00 | valdyn | obake: read /var/log/xorg.0.log |
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| 17:28.31 | valdyn | obake: also try dmesg | grep -i agp |
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| 17:28.40 | vincen-vega | hola |
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| 17:29.23 | valdyn | obake: and you can stop your X, then modprobe -r nvidia && modprobe nvidia and see what it sais. |
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| 17:29.39 | ddiaz_ | hola |
| 17:29.51 | obake | ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 177 |
| 17:29.51 | obake | NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0-7174 Tue Mar 22 06:44:39 PST 2005 |
| 17:29.56 | obake | it loads fine |
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| 17:30.02 | vincen-vega | d |
| 17:30.04 | vincen-vega | davi |
| 17:30.07 | vincen-vega | halo |
| 17:30.22 | obake | valdyn: in dmesg | grep -i agp there are a lot of "NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded! |
| 17:30.26 | valdyn | obake: how did you install your xorg and did you install it before or after nvidia, and how did you install nvidia drivers? |
| 17:30.45 | asg | !es |
| 17:30.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:30.49 | cbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.51 | cbr | try this |
| 17:30.55 | obake | valdyn: i installed from an unnoficial source using aptitude, before the nvidia drivers |
| 17:30.59 | cbr | in xorg.conf graphics section |
| 17:31.04 | valdyn | obake: your nvidia module looks fine |
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| 17:31.13 | drc | Does anyone know any howto or guide for setting up a backup copy server? I haven't found one yet. Anyway I want it to be debian. |
| 17:31.14 | obake | for the nvidia i did aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-glx and stuff |
| 17:31.19 | obake | cbr: ok. |
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| 17:31.34 | valdyn | cbr: why do you think his error is agp related? |
| 17:31.48 | cbr | 20:30:32 < obake> valdyn: in dmesg | grep -i agp there are a lot of "NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded! |
| 17:32.10 | cbr | i dont know, it might not work, worth a shot though |
| 17:32.16 | obake | cbr: same problem. |
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| 17:32.35 | cbr | try to change the value to 1 then |
| 17:32.38 | obake | i'll try to rebuild the nvidia drivers.. |
| 17:32.41 | obake | cbr: it was on 1 |
| 17:32.47 | cbr | ok |
| 17:33.00 | mikaEL` | I receive this ping response : PING mirrors.dotsrc.org (130.225.247.87) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 17:33.00 | mikaEL` | From 130.225.242.102 icmp_seq=2 Packet filtered |
| 17:33.01 | mikaEL` | From 130.225.242.102 icmp_seq=4 Packet filtered |
| 17:33.12 | mikaEL` | what is packet filtered ? |
| 17:33.40 | valdyn | mikaEL`: as you can see its not reaching its destination. but the filtering box is replying. |
| 17:33.45 | adjacent | it means the packet was filtered |
| 17:34.03 | cmihai | Did anyone install the NetBeans 4.1 IDE (Includes JDK 1.5 p3) on Debian? And if so, does it work ok (the java part, etc) ?! |
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| 17:34.15 | obake | ah! now that i tried to rebuild the nvidia modules using "make-kpkg modules" i get an error |
| 17:34.22 | Nel` | hello |
| 17:34.29 | obake | /bin/sh: debsign: command not found |
| 17:34.29 | obake | make[1]: *** [kdist] Error 127 |
| 17:34.38 | obake | Module /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel failed. |
| 17:34.41 | Nel` | Please I want to know how to change the reverse dns in my root. iam using woody. |
| 17:34.59 | valdyn | cmihai: suns java works perfectly fine, |
| 17:35.11 | valdyn | !tell cmihai about java-package |
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| 17:35.15 | cmihai | valdyn: I know it does. |
| 17:35.20 | vincen-vega | no hay nadie que me entienda |
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| 17:35.29 | vincen-vega | hola |
| 17:35.40 | cmihai | I'm not asking about that. I'm asking about just getting the NetBeans IDE that includes JDK 1.5 patch 3. If that works just as well. |
| 17:36.03 | Isumi | cmihai, I use it |
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| 17:36.22 | Isumi | it works well |
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| 17:36.34 | cmihai | NetBeans with it's own java, right? Thanks. That's what I wanted to know :) |
| 17:36.49 | pack | Nel what do you mean reverse dns? like nslookup 192.168.100.4? |
| 17:36.50 | vincen-vega | Gora euskal eritarok |
| 17:37.03 | valdyn | obake: apt-get install devscripts |
| 17:37.04 | vincen-vega | Eskerri casco |
| 17:37.12 | Isumi | cmihai, it's not the patch 3 maybe, but it's netbeans with jdk1.5 |
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| 17:37.35 | Nel` | pack: I mean I have a domain name, and I wanna make when someone dns the IP it gives him the DOMAIN name. |
| 17:37.42 | obake | valdyn: ok |
| 17:38.01 | adjacent | Nel`: you cant set the rDNS |
| 17:38.11 | cmihai | If it's NetBeans 4.1 it's patch 3 i guess. So, I don't need to bother with the whole "java-package". |
| 17:38.22 | xoz | Nel`: you have to set the arp in the DNS configuration |
| 17:38.30 | valdyn | obake: im confused, nvidia-kernel-source *debpends* on devscripts |
| 17:38.34 | adjacent | Nel`: its done by the DNS server that manages the block of IP's your domain name is assigned to |
| 17:38.46 | Nel` | adjacent: lol? I did it before dude. |
| 17:38.51 | Isumi | cmihai, "netbeans-4.0" and "jdk1.5.0_01", so it isnt sorry |
| 17:38.58 | Nel` | but just dont remember the way how-to |
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| 17:39.10 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite Phated |
| 17:39.11 | ravenbird | Phated: why dont ya go spending all your doc on a town bike bloody hell mate |
| 17:39.16 | cmihai | Isumi: if that works fine, 4.1 should work ok also. Thanks. |
| 17:39.20 | valdyn | 03 works fine, i never used netbeans ide though |
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| 17:39.42 | adjacent | Nel`: ok. but... it cant be done on the local machine. unless that machine is the authortative source for the your.ip.inet.arpa listing |
| 17:39.42 | Rubberducky | hellow |
| 17:39.52 | Rubberducky | i have a question about installing debian |
| 17:40.03 | Rubberducky | if u dl the iso images |
| 17:40.10 | Rubberducky | do u have to download them all? |
| 17:40.14 | obake | valdyn: well, it doesn't. it recommends devscripts |
| 17:40.18 | Rubberducky | or are they al just different versions? |
| 17:40.20 | adjacent | what you probably did was map the ip to the domain name in /etc/hosts so it looked like it had a fqdn |
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| 17:40.51 | asg | Rubberducky: no, dowload the first or a netinstall cd (if you have a supported net connection) and load the rest off the net after installation. |
| 17:41.05 | otroean | Hi. How can i find disks on my computer thats is ntfs and format them for linux use? |
| 17:41.06 | valdyn | obake: true, guess i should have read the apt-cache manpage |
| 17:41.25 | obake | heh |
| 17:41.29 | xoz | otroean: cfdisk, parted, fdisk... choose one |
| 17:41.39 | Draconicus | I need to change my kernel type. I have the wrong one for this processor. What do I do? |
| 17:41.43 | valdyn | Rubberducky: you can use the ~120MB netinstall iso and download everything else automatically as needed |
| 17:41.46 | otroean | xoz, thnxs |
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| 17:41.55 | Rockret | good afternoon everyone .. I am trying to get access to my bank via konqueror, but I think that I am getting problems with Java plug-in. This site have one link "https://www2.bancobrasil.com.br/aapf/aai/login.pbk" but I cant load this virtual keyboad to put my password. Anyone can help me ? |
| 17:42.21 | xoz | Draconicus: apt-get install kernel-you-want |
| 17:42.23 | valdyn | Rubberducky: also, the packages on the isos are sorted by priority and popularity, so getting only the 1st could be enough for you. |
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| 17:42.26 | obake | valdyn: i think i also need gnupg.. installing |
| 17:42.39 | Draconicus | Xoz, yes, but I need the base of the package name. kernel-? |
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| 17:43.00 | Rockret | other question, Can i make upgrade of my kernel in debian using "apt-get install kernel-you-want" ? |
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| 17:43.06 | xoz | Draconicus: apt-cache search kernel|less |
| 17:43.24 | Rockret | using 2.6.8 here .. want to 2.6.12 |
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| 17:43.33 | Rockret | isp possible ? |
| 17:43.34 | xoz | Rockret: of course |
| 17:43.38 | Rockret | cool |
| 17:43.54 | Rockret | one guy told me that I need make compilation |
| 17:43.57 | Rockret | et cetc |
| 17:43.58 | Rockret | etc |
| 17:43.59 | valdyn | Rubberducky: what i recommend is: use netinstall and if you want use mondo to creat a dvd set / cdrom set to easily restore your debian installation if you need that. |
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| 17:44.16 | obake | valdyn: gpg: skipped "Patrick Steiger <psteiger@gmail.com>": secret key not available |
| 17:44.19 | obake | gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available |
| 17:44.21 | Nel` | Can I change the reverse DNS from webmin? |
| 17:44.24 | obake | Module /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel failed. |
| 17:44.26 | obake | oh man.. |
| 17:44.32 | greycat | Nel`: probably not. |
| 17:44.33 | Rockret | and Lilo ... new kernel .. change with apt-get ? |
| 17:44.36 | xoz | Rockret: try apt-get install <kernel> unless you have special hardware that you need to patch the kernel |
| 17:44.41 | valdyn | obake: which debian release are you using? |
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| 17:44.45 | obake | Sid |
| 17:44.49 | Rockret | ok |
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| 17:45.39 | adjacent | Nel`: you need to contact your ISP to change your reverse DNS |
| 17:45.47 | Nel` | What is the BIND DNS SERVER? |
| 17:45.51 | valdyn | obake: alright, no surprise there's oddities. Those security features you are falling over are only right now being added to debian.. |
| 17:45.56 | xoz | Nel`: man bind |
| 17:45.58 | Rohtlatco | Nel` : It's a specific DNS server. |
| 17:46.10 | valdyn | obake: try apt-get install debian-keyring, but i dont really know this. |
| 17:46.11 | Nel` | Rohtlatco: can i set the reverse dns from it? |
| 17:46.13 | greycat | Nel`: google it. |
| 17:46.24 | greycat | Nel`: only if you have been granted Authority over that IP address range. |
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| 17:46.31 | adjacent | Nel`: are you not listening to me, or just not believing me? |
| 17:46.55 | cmihai | Now this is just fucked up. DHCP just alocated two machines the same ip ...grrr |
| 17:47.06 | Nel` | adjacent: iam listening, but its a far-away server, and i dont have hosting for change the DNS from it, need another solution, thats all |
| 17:47.06 | obake | valdyn: well, thanks.. have to leave now.. i'll try it later. if it doesn't work i'll download the latest driver from nvidia.com |
| 17:47.16 | obake | good bye |
| 17:47.52 | valdyn | Nel`: you cannot change dns things unless you maintain the "responsible" dns server for that domain. |
| 17:47.53 | adjacent | Nel`: there is no other solution. you need to contact the provider for that box and see if they can set the rDNS... its not something you have control over unless you have been granted authority (like greycat said) |
| 17:48.02 | cmihai | Ah, no. Windows machine with "static" ip killed it... |
| 17:48.12 | Nel` | adjacent: ty |
| 17:48.15 | valdyn | Nel`: and that would be your ISP, not a fucking random BIND installation |
| 17:48.16 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk, jethro, paulswm: #bub-n-bros now on norris |
| 17:49.21 | Nel` | valdyn: I got your fucking point. |
| 17:49.26 | xoz | Nel`: ask the isp to delegate authority to your ip addresses. or ask them to forward dns query to your computer and create your own dns server |
| 17:49.43 | valdyn | hehe |
| 17:49.46 | greycat | most good ISPs will set a reverse (PTR) record for you if you have a static IP |
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| 17:50.21 | trueno | Anyone getting multiple(2) wdm processes prior to login? It is making wdm start much slowlier than before |
| 17:50.45 | xoz | trueno: look for the ln in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 17:51.01 | xoz | trueno: double links |
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| 17:52.08 | trueno | xoz -- There is just one :-( |
| 17:52.25 | valdyn | trueno: are you sure there wasnt 2 wdm processes before? |
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| 17:52.36 | xoz | trueno: ps axf |less ... find out the parent |
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| 17:53.52 | trueno | valdyn: I think so, the thing is that it takes almost double to start wdm (time from "X cursor screen" to final login screen, I mean) |
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| 17:54.18 | valdyn | trueno: and there's another wdm on a different tty? |
| 17:54.59 | trueno | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.00 | trueno | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.00 | trueno | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.20 | xoz | trueno: damn... wdm calls itself? |
| 17:55.36 | xoz | trueno: check your wdm config |
| 17:56.07 | valdyn | it could just fork ( for whatever reason, i didnt write it..) |
| 17:56.13 | trueno | valdyn: No, just tty7 |
| 17:56.22 | lyy | anyone here familiar with dhclient.conf? |
| 17:56.27 | cmihai | This "file-rc" init script... is it any good ? |
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| 17:56.40 | lyy | or just using dhclient in general to extend lease time of an ip? |
| 17:56.50 | xoz | fork? it should exec not fork? |
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| 17:57.56 | trueno | xoz: I don't see anything strange... |
| 17:57.58 | xoz | cmihai: im using it for a year... it's much easier. just backup the original config and everytime upgrade changes the config, copy the backup and voila, you don't have to worry what were added. |
| 17:58.00 | trueno | !paste |
| 17:58.00 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 17:58.07 | Draconicus | xoz: Do I want the kernel image? |
| 17:58.45 | xoz | trueno: try killing both.. then /etc/init.d/wdm start |
| 17:58.48 | shingouz | Draconicus: did you get the camera to work with the new kernel? |
| 17:59.07 | paster | "trueno" at 80.58.9.172 pasted "wdm-config" (41 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/240 |
| 17:59.27 | Draconicus | shingouz: No. I suspect that an error involving khubd is to blame. It simply cannot work. However, getting the correct kernel and a newer version (.12?) will likely fix this. |
| 17:59.29 | cmihai | How about bsd init... |
| 17:59.43 | xoz | Draconicus: that's for you to think it over. |
| 17:59.48 | trueno | xoz May you have a look at the paste? |
| 17:59.56 | xoz | Draconicus: try it and see what happens. |
| 18:00.05 | Draconicus | xoz: I don't know what you mean. What does it mean by kernel image? |
| 18:00.13 | shingouz | Draconicus: or you could remove hotplug and start using usbmgr instead, that way you would get rid of the hanging khubd |
| 18:00.16 | Basic2EE | some whacking happen in dpkg-dev 1.13.9? dpkg-source is erroring out on all apt-get source <pkg> where as dpkg-dev 1.10.27 works fine for the same packages. |
| 18:00.17 | xoz | trueno: paste again in #paste? |
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| 18:01.18 | Draconicus | shingouz: Eh? Explain please. |
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| 18:01.49 | shingouz | Draconicus: khubd is a part of hotplug but usbmgr can do the same thing and does not have khubd |
| 18:01.57 | otroean | I'm actually beginning to like debian. Been trying it for about 3 days and i think i can drops windows completely... |
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| 18:02.17 | Draconicus | shingouz: okay. So, what do I remove, exactly, and in what order? |
| 18:02.20 | BlueShift | hello. i was wondering if anybody can help me with an audio problem. alsa modules are loaded and i checked that the mixer settings are correct but it there's still no sound output. |
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| 18:02.46 | xoz | trueno: have you tried restarting it... still two? |
| 18:02.55 | jasoncohen | does apt-listchanges run when apt-get is called or just when you run it manually? |
| 18:02.55 | shingouz | Draconicus: i have to tell you that usbmgr is definitely not as easy as hotplug, it is older and tends to be a bit cranky from time to time |
| 18:03.14 | Draconicus | shingouz: That is unfortunate. I'd rather try the proper kernel first. |
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| 18:03.30 | valdyn | trueno: try google, looks to me like wdm forking is perfectly normal behaviour |
| 18:03.31 | jasoncohen | when python2.3 broke apt-listchanges i saw an error related to apt-listchanges when running apt-get upgrade but i never see changelogs |
| 18:03.33 | Draconicus | Also, is .12 newer, older, or not a testing version? |
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| 18:04.05 | ateves | i have a question concerning APT. how can i get a list of applications that I can install? |
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| 18:04.22 | trueno | xoz I am going to try it right now. Will be back |
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| 18:04.23 | shingouz | ateves: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:04.33 | jasoncohen | ateves, you want a list of all applications or do you want to search? |
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| 18:04.38 | valdyn | ateves: its 15000+ packates, no point in seeing all i would guess, try apt-cache search <keyword> |
| 18:04.40 | jasoncohen | ateves, apt-cache search |
| 18:04.40 | ateves | both |
| 18:04.41 | xoz | trueno: kill both to make sure |
| 18:04.48 | trueno | ok |
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| 18:04.51 | ateves | ok, so it's searching |
| 18:05.12 | ateves | i'll try the apt-cache search |
| 18:05.15 | ateves | thx so far |
| 18:05.40 | jasoncohen | ateves, there's around 15,000 + packages in sarge so i'm not sure how useful a comprehensive list would be but you can run a gui program like synaptic and browse through the list |
| 18:05.52 | tarzeau | ateves: apt-cache pkgnames |
| 18:06.11 | jasoncohen | ah, didn't realize you could do that |
| 18:06.28 | jasoncohen | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages is also nice |
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| 18:06.44 | tarzeau | valdyn: sometimes there is a point to have a list of all available packages |
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| 18:07.05 | valdyn | tarzeau: sure if you want to process it further.. |
| 18:07.31 | jasoncohen | how do i get dpkg to tell me the number of packages in sid? |
| 18:08.00 | valdyn | 'apt-cache pkgnames | wc -l' is also neat ( for showing off ) |
| 18:08.02 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: apt-cache stats |
| 18:08.11 | tarzeau | valdyn: stats is a bit more verbose |
| 18:08.20 | sbk | strange. Having trouble with my cdrom. Hitting eject button, or running the eject command doesn't slide out the tray. I see the CDROM device show up in the dmesg logs -- what can I do to debug this? |
| 18:08.23 | stew | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg dstats |
| 18:08.26 | valdyn | tarzeau: yea |
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| 18:08.38 | tarzeau | sbk: man fuser |
| 18:08.47 | Draconicus | shingouz: Given up hope on me? |
| 18:08.50 | jasoncohen | tarzeau, i have testing, unstable, and marillat sources so i wouldn't see the correct # |
| 18:08.55 | jasoncohen | with apt-cache stats |
| 18:09.00 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 18:09.00 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 18:09.03 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: for you |
| 18:09.05 | sbk | tarzeau: nope, the CDROM is not even mounted |
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| 18:09.11 | greycat | "Same goes for Sarge"?? LAME! |
| 18:09.18 | tarzeau | sbk: tried "eject cdrom" ? |
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| 18:09.30 | jasoncohen | tarzeau, i wanted to know the # in sid- not including marillat |
| 18:09.30 | Draconicus | Can somebody PLEASE tell me if "kernel image" means something other than the kernel itself? |
| 18:09.40 | tarzeau | Draconicus: no |
| 18:09.41 | jasoncohen | i have 17,214 packages with marillat |
| 18:09.45 | Rawsock | uh, the same result as bobbit ? |
| 18:09.49 | tarzeau | Draconicus: and that's the linux kernel |
| 18:09.52 | sbk | tarzeau: yes, to no avail. I will print the error messages momentarily |
| 18:09.53 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: marillat sucks |
| 18:09.54 | valdyn | Draconicus: probably not, if you mean what i think you mean with "kernel" |
| 18:09.54 | greycat | Draconicus: it means a compiled kernel |
| 18:09.56 | Rawsock | turns woody into a cheap pr0n actor ? |
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| 18:10.04 | Draconicus | Thanks. |
| 18:10.10 | tarzeau | sbk: what does it print exactly? |
| 18:10.11 | rr72 | i need help configuring xdm |
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| 18:10.38 | Draconicus | valdyn: Ah. |
| 18:10.55 | jasoncohen | tarzeau, why does marillat suck? i need marillat for mythtv deps and for dvd::rip |
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| 18:11.04 | jasoncohen | marillat's packages seem to work fine here |
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| 18:11.10 | rr72 | ?xdm |
| 18:11.20 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: because they are unofficial packages |
| 18:11.25 | rr72 | pls /msg me if u can help with xdm |
| 18:11.27 | oklinux | what is debianpure ? |
| 18:11.32 | thomas_adam | Hardly marillat's fault. |
| 18:11.36 | tarzeau | oklinux: nothing. where? |
| 18:11.52 | oklinux | www.debianpure.com |
| 18:12.08 | jasoncohen | tarzeau, but why does that make them suck? i would like it if debian included transcode, mplayer, dvdrip etc. but as that's not going due to legal constraints, i use marillat |
| 18:12.16 | Draconicus | Now, I'm installing 2.6.8-2-k7. Is this the latest available testing kernel? |
| 18:12.23 | sbk | tarzeau: http://pastebin.com/302308 |
| 18:12.32 | rr72 | pls /msg me if u can help with xdm |
| 18:12.32 | Draconicus | Ignore the end bit. |
| 18:12.45 | greycat | jesus christ. |
| 18:12.48 | Draconicus | I was running a 386 kernel on an AMD Athlon XP. Funny, huh? |
| 18:12.49 | tarzeau | oklinux: take deborah and ian and make puree: http://recettes.viabloga.com/images/Puree.jpg |
| 18:12.54 | greycat | rr72: are you 11 years old? |
| 18:12.55 | tarzeau | oklinux: imagine a debian logo on top |
| 18:13.02 | greycat | !tell rr72 about ask |
| 18:13.03 | valdyn | oklinux: looks like another inofficial installer for debian. No good reason why he should consider that 'pure' |
| 18:13.05 | greycat | !tell rr72 about guidelines |
| 18:13.23 | greycat | shit. I killed it. |
| 18:13.24 | rr72 | i didnt get anything |
| 18:13.28 | greycat | @tell rr72 about guidelines |
| 18:13.34 | Draconicus | IT BURNS! |
| 18:13.37 | sbk | erk, did I just kill dpkg by typing in help? |
| 18:13.37 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: marillat packages have no public bug tracking and are not built for all archs |
| 18:13.38 | Draconicus | !u |
| 18:13.39 | greycat | damn it, those are the previous guidelines. |
| 18:13.46 | Draconicus | ... |
| 18:13.49 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: to use them you need to download the debs manually or change your sources.list |
| 18:13.57 | rr72 | someone here helped me be 4 |
| 18:14.00 | Draconicus | I didn't notice that. :P |
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| 18:14.04 | oklinux | so tarzeau copycat debian ? |
| 18:14.05 | rr72 | i don't remember who tho |
| 18:14.07 | greycat | they helped you write like a 4 year old? |
| 18:14.20 | greycat | THOUGH damn it! THOUGH! NOT THO! |
| 18:14.20 | tarzeau | oklinux: look /msg apt debian based |
| 18:14.23 | xoz | trueno: maybe there is an option you missed? |
| 18:14.28 | jasoncohen | tarzeau, i believe he now supports i386, ppc and amd64. anyways, the alternative is to compile it all yourself |
| 18:14.49 | Draconicus | Shh.. Greycat, technically this is typing. God knows how this poor excuse for living tissue writes. |
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| 18:15.25 | justin | typing n. writing done with a typewriter |
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| 18:15.35 | Draconicus | Alright, you win, justin. :P |
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| 18:16.06 | Draconicus | Time to attempt to run this hopefully correct kernel. Wish me luck. |
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| 18:16.12 | stjepan | close |
| 18:16.19 | stjepan | sorry |
| 18:16.26 | stjepan | hi |
| 18:16.40 | stjepan | do you know any debian package of Eclipse IDE? |
| 18:16.44 | rr72 | is there a cmd i can run to configure xdm? |
| 18:16.57 | BlueShift | rr72: dpkg-reconfigure xdm? |
| 18:16.59 | Whisky_ | How do i create a subdomain on my domain to point to a sub-directory on my server ? |
| 18:17.06 | rr72 | ill try thx |
| 18:17.18 | tarzeau | Whisky_: read your httpd manual |
| 18:17.21 | PolarWolf | stjepan: apt-cache search eclipse |
| 18:17.47 | BlueShift | hello. i was wondering if anybody can help me with an audio problem. alsa modules are loaded and i checked that the mixer settings are correct but it there's still no sound output. :( |
| 18:17.48 | trueno | xoz: I think I got something, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=285199 |
| 18:17.54 | rr72 | hmm |
| 18:17.57 | Whisky_ | tarzeau: Ok i create Virtual hosts. Got it. |
| 18:18.20 | tarzeau | Whisky_: you owe me an ice cooled glass of Whisky_ now! |
| 18:18.26 | stjepan | PolarWolf, yeah, but there isn't eclipse |
| 18:18.45 | rr72 | System startup links for /etc/init.d/xdm already exist. |
| 18:19.00 | rr72 | BlueShift~ there seems to be an error |
| 18:19.00 | PolarWolf | stjepan: odd, it shows up fine here. Maybe it's not in Sarge. |
| 18:19.05 | BlueShift | rr72: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:19.13 | rr72 | get gui |
| 18:19.13 | stjepan | PolarWolf, I use ubuntu |
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| 18:19.26 | misfit_ | sup |
| 18:19.30 | PolarWolf | stjepan: So why the fuck are you asking in #debian? Ask in #ubuntu already. |
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| 18:19.38 | misfit_ | is anyone here using runit? |
| 18:20.01 | tarzeau | misfit_: can you not ask what your problem about it is? |
| 18:20.12 | misfit_ | yea |
| 18:20.15 | stjepan | PolarWolf, they do not know :) |
| 18:20.17 | greycat | DPKG COME BACK!!! |
| 18:20.18 | misfit_ | ive installed it |
| 18:20.18 | stjepan | :> |
| 18:20.24 | misfit_ | and configured |
| 18:20.29 | misfit_ | /etc/initd |
| 18:20.30 | tarzeau | !seen dpkg |
| 18:20.30 | greycat | misfit_: put it all on one line. |
| 18:20.38 | tarzeau | apt seen dpkg |
| 18:20.38 | apt | dpkg <~dpkg@dpkg.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12d 15h 50m 59s ago, saying: 'Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it ... |
| 18:20.39 | misfit_ | but its not running |
| 18:20.44 | misfit_ | ok |
| 18:20.44 | rr72 | someone here helped me with the same thing but i needed to fo a clean install BlueShift |
| 18:21.00 | PolarWolf | stjepan: That's pretty dumb. Oh well, you *might* be able to use sources from debian to install it, but that *might* totally wreck everything. |
| 18:21.00 | tarzeau | misfit_: checked BTS already? |
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| 18:21.17 | misfit_ | hows that? |
| 18:21.26 | tarzeau | @they don't know |
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| 18:22.11 | tarzeau | sbk: is your cd-rom device an ide or scsi one? |
| 18:22.23 | tarzeau | sbk: ah it looks like IDE |
| 18:22.25 | sbk | tarzeau: IDE |
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| 18:22.35 | misfit_ | this is what ive done so far, ive installed runit, ive configured /etc/inittab, it didnt work, ive read runit documentation, search on google, and here i am |
| 18:22.45 | tarzeau | sbk: usually they have a small hole, where you can push a clipper into and open the tray with |
| 18:22.45 | misfit_ | i also run #runit |
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| 18:22.57 | tarzeau | sbk: are you sure it has power? |
| 18:23.01 | rr72 | BlueShift~ should i just reinstall since i have nothing on the drive? |
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| 18:23.05 | tarzeau | ah yes it must, or it wouldn't be seen |
| 18:23.08 | BlueShift | rr72: what was the error message? |
| 18:23.12 | sbk | tarzeau: :-) |
| 18:23.19 | rr72 | System startup links for /etc/init.d/xdm already exist. |
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| 18:23.43 | misfit_ | are you talking to me blueshift? |
| 18:23.49 | Draconicus | So far so good. Not much difference in resource performance. Now to test hardware, though I doubt this is the cause. |
| 18:23.59 | Draconicus | Still wrong. |
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| 18:24.16 | orion88 | my init is hanging while trying to load mysql... is there any way i can have the box boot to runlevel 1 so i can fix the problem? |
| 18:24.30 | BlueShift | rr72: even after a reboot? or did you just install it? if so, /etc/init.d/xdm start? |
| 18:24.38 | greycat | orion88: yes |
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| 18:24.56 | trueno | xoz -- I don't know why, but running fc-cache -v as root solves the problem :-) |
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| 18:25.13 | orion88 | greycat: ok, how? :) |
| 18:25.17 | tarzeau | hi greycat |
| 18:25.26 | empty | orion88, You use grub or lilo? |
| 18:25.38 | rr72 | Starting X display manager: xdm. |
| 18:25.38 | rr72 | is all i get |
| 18:25.42 | orion88 | empty: grub |
| 18:25.50 | BlueShift | rr72: press alt+f7 |
| 18:25.51 | greycat | orion88: then select the "rescue mode" or whatever it's called. |
| 18:25.58 | greycat | on the grub menu |
| 18:25.59 | rr72 | nothing |
| 18:26.03 | Nosf3ratu | It's called "Recovery Mode" iirc. |
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| 18:26.04 | rr72 | i tried it |
| 18:26.09 | empty | orion88, there should be a "rescue mode" basically runs "kernel-name single" |
| 18:26.17 | orion88 | ok, i'll be back in a few :) |
| 18:26.18 | BlueShift | eh? what does ps aux|grep X say? |
| 18:26.31 | empty | orion88, which boots you to single user mode (no networking, runlevel 1) |
| 18:26.53 | misfit_ | has anyone managed to use mozilla-firefox under debian? |
| 18:26.54 | Draconicus | Video0 is still broken. :( |
| 18:27.02 | UnWorldly | wow there are alot of people in here |
| 18:27.09 | rr72 | /usr/bin/X11/xdm twice BlueShift |
| 18:27.37 | Draconicus | Alright, I'll give the bitchy majig a try. What was that again, shingouz? |
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| 18:27.45 | Pryon | misfit_: That's a joke, right? |
| 18:27.48 | sbk | tarzeau: shoot -- you were right first time. fuser _does_ show a process holding on to it -- grub shell :-) |
| 18:27.50 | shingouz | Draconicus: usbmgr |
| 18:27.54 | BlueShift | rr72: that was a capital X, not a small one. have you installed x-window-system or x-window-system-core? |
| 18:27.58 | Draconicus | 'kay, and remove what? |
| 18:28.07 | rr72 | oops |
| 18:28.11 | rr72 | now i remember |
| 18:28.12 | shingouz | Draconicus: i think apt will remove hotplug and discover |
| 18:28.21 | Draconicus | Okay. |
| 18:28.21 | sbk | tarzeau: it wasn't mounted, and I didn't think to run it to check anyway, ugh. Thanks for the tip |
| 18:28.34 | BlueShift | rr72: missing X server? |
| 18:28.41 | rr72 | heh |
| 18:28.44 | tarzeau | sbk: np, tried fuser -k yet? |
| 18:28.46 | rr72 | thx |
| 18:28.57 | rr72 | u should start with the basics next time |
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| 18:29.00 | rr72 | just a tip |
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| 18:29.21 | sbk | tarzeau: nope, just attempted to kill it directly. Both fuser -k and kill -9 don't kill it |
| 18:29.40 | Pryon | misfit_: What problem is it giving you? |
| 18:29.44 | BlueShift | rr72: heh, i assumed it was already installed. until i checked the dependencies for it. :p |
| 18:29.45 | samuel | anyone know how to get the keyring to NOT store the root password? |
| 18:29.54 | sbk | tarzeau: meaning -- tried the fuser -k after kill -9 failed -- it's zombied out. reboot time I guess |
| 18:30.00 | Draconicus | shingouz: Actually four to remove. I hope this won't be too difficult to reverse if necessary. Once installed, I- whoa... beeping upon installation... system beep speaker did a bit. Is that normal? Anyway, once installed, will the difference be instantaneous? |
| 18:30.02 | trueno | win2k3 smb connections are supposed to be encrypted when using M$'s "smb". Are smbfs connections between a Linux box and a win2k3 server encrypted? I haven't found any clue when googling for a while... |
| 18:30.03 | rr72 | thats what happened last time too |
| 18:30.22 | Pryon | misfit_: Yes, but how is this bug manifesting itself? |
| 18:30.25 | shingouz | Draconicus: pretty much instantaneous, yes. which packages does it want to remove? |
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| 18:30.50 | tarzeau | sbk: what arguemnt do you give fuser? :) |
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| 18:30.58 | Pryon | misfit_: what happens when you try to run it? |
| 18:31.10 | S0n1 | have howto for install spamassassin in postgresql in debian?? |
| 18:31.10 | Draconicus | shingouz: already done, and it removed gnome-volume-manager, udev, hal, and hotplug.... Aren't a couple of those important? |
| 18:31.11 | S0n1 | ??? |
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| 18:31.24 | froggey | hello everyone |
| 18:31.40 | Pryon | misfit_: Are you running X? |
| 18:31.42 | Draconicus | shingouz: Also, it didn't make a difference. Camorama still bitches and such. How do I kill and restart a module, and which one would be responsible for the cam driver? |
| 18:31.45 | shingouz | Draconicus: the udev, i am not sure what happens if you remove that one, basically i am not sure how to get the dev functionality there |
| 18:32.01 | shingouz | Draconicus: what cam? |
| 18:32.10 | Pryon | misfit_: and you can start an xterm from the same terminal that refuses to run firefox? |
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| 18:32.44 | Pryon | misfit_: Yes, I use firefox |
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| 18:33.11 | Draconicus | shingouz: Creative NX Pro. The driver for it was just recently discovered, and previously worked. I don't know what changed. Gack... apt-get's removal of udev, which was USING the cam driver, caused it to be unloaded. I may have to rebuild it. |
| 18:33.19 | Pryon | misfit_: that's very strange. I don't know the answer to your problem. |
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| 18:33.32 | shingouz | Draconicus: spca5xx? |
| 18:33.37 | Draconicus | shingouz: Yes. |
| 18:33.42 | shingouz | shit |
| 18:33.57 | Draconicus | That can't be a good sign. o.o |
| 18:34.01 | shingouz | Draconicus: just ge oback to hotplug |
| 18:34.08 | Draconicus | Okay. |
| 18:34.26 | shingouz | Draconicus: i have a spca5xx here and it is a total pain in the ass to tell you the truth |
| 18:34.30 | Draconicus | Yay. It only installs hotplug now. Gotta reinstall udev and stuff, too.... |
| 18:34.32 | K_Dallas | Guys! How do you add themes to your firefox? Under Windows clicking on the install bottons automatically installed them but under linux, i dont get that option, thanks |
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| 18:34.52 | Draconicus | shingouz: Ever have the "cannot connect to vide0" thing? |
| 18:34.58 | Pryon | misfit_: sid with firefox 1.0.4-3 |
| 18:34.58 | shingouz | Draconicus: should not be too much of a problem as you still have the configs there |
| 18:35.01 | rr72 | BlueShift~ how do i go through the configure again? |
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| 18:35.18 | shingouz | Draconicus: with that driver, try camstream instead of camorama, it is a bit of a pain that driver |
| 18:35.20 | Draconicus | shingouz: Should I reinstall the others, though? I like udev, I think... |
| 18:35.25 | shingouz | yes |
| 18:35.39 | orion88 | greycat, empty: i can't believe i missed something as simple as "recovery mode" :) |
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| 18:35.59 | al3xander | hi there |
| 18:36.10 | al3xander | i'm trying to find a majordomo package on debian |
| 18:36.17 | al3xander | is a package in the tree? |
| 18:36.33 | Pryon | misfit_: I don't know what 'runit' is |
| 18:37.05 | ray_umbc | 'runit' is a drop in replacement for daemontools. |
| 18:37.19 | thomas_adam | runit is also tcl/tk application launcher. |
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| 18:37.32 | rr72 | BlueShift~ u there |
| 18:37.35 | ray_umbc | Joy |
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| 18:37.45 | BlueShift | rr72: dpkg-reconfigure $package_name |
| 18:37.48 | empty | orion88, Hard to see your upper lip without a mirror ;) |
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| 18:38.10 | rr72 | ty |
| 18:38.15 | szymek | hi, anyone could give me any advice on how to install glibc ? |
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| 18:38.28 | greycat | szymek: 1) install sarge. 2) stop. |
| 18:38.33 | rr72 | !tell szymek about apt |
| 18:38.41 | ray_umbc | I'm trying to recover from what seems like serious package screwage; a large list of packages seem to depend on each other being configured when I use "dpkg --configure -a". |
| 18:39.01 | szymek | eee but i want to compile dont ask why :) |
| 18:39.20 | l4vim | I make "iptables -j LOG rule", I can see what is logged by typing dmesg but I cannot log it to files - I'm useing standard syslog-ng.conf - what shoult I check ? |
| 18:39.47 | l4vim | there is no entry from iptables in kern.log file |
| 18:39.48 | szymek | ad sarge, i have lost to much time on woody to stop now |
| 18:39.53 | rr72 | BlueShift~ not working |
| 18:39.59 | ray_umbc | For example, vim-common and vim each want each other to be configure first. |
| 18:40.07 | rr72 | dpkg-reconfigure x-windo-system-core |
| 18:40.09 | ray_umbc | s/configure/configured/ |
| 18:40.15 | stew | !drxx rr72 |
| 18:40.22 | stew | @drxx rr72 |
| 18:40.23 | ravenbird | rr72: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 18:40.45 | rr72 | stew~ that didnt work |
| 18:40.55 | rr72 | what ever that was supposed to do |
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| 18:41.15 | asg | !wb |
| 18:41.15 | dpkg | thanks, asg. It's good to be back. |
| 18:41.29 | stew | rr72: what do you mean by "didnt work"? |
| 18:41.37 | rr72 | i didnt receive any info |
| 18:41.53 | stew | rr72: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:42.03 | rr72 | idk |
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| 18:42.23 | rr72 | nothing happened when u typed !whatever i mean |
| 18:42.31 | stew | 14:38 < ravenbird> rr72: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:42.39 | rr72 | i didnt see that |
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| 18:43.21 | ray_umbc | Also, I seem to have numerous corrupt files /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives that are "missing newline after manflag". |
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| 18:44.38 | l4vim | ok it works ;) I don't know why but it works when I restart klogd |
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| 18:44.52 | Nick0r | hi im getting an error when running 'w': |
| 18:44.52 | Nick0r | w: error while loading shared libraries: libproc.so.3.2.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:44.53 | linlin | In trying to install apache through apt-get. Im getting this error. Can someone help? http://rafb.net/paste/results/Tx7kCH59.html |
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| 18:45.17 | greycat | Nick0r: failed woody->sarge upgrade? |
| 18:45.49 | linlin | Thats what happened to me, i upgraded and it killed alot of stuff...like apache. |
| 18:46.14 | greycat | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 18:46.14 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
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| 18:46.35 | szymek | and what about glibc anyone can help me ?? |
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| 18:46.55 | greycat | szymek: it's called libc6 in Debian i386. |
| 18:46.56 | Draconicus | shingouz: Thanks. Everything's fixed now. :D |
| 18:47.15 | greycat | szymek: you already HAVE it if you run Debian later than version 1.3. |
| 18:47.35 | szymek | yes i know ... |
| 18:47.36 | Nick0r | fn~greycat: nope! |
| 18:47.36 | tarzeau | !sarge->etch |
| 18:47.42 | Nick0r | haven't tried any such thing |
| 18:47.45 | jasoncohen | what's sid's default compiler- gcc 4 or 3.4? |
| 18:47.47 | szymek | but i want to install a new one |
| 18:47.54 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: there is no default compiler |
| 18:47.55 | greycat | jasoncohen: if you have to ask, you should not run sid. |
| 18:47.56 | szymek | i have already comnpiled the source |
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| 18:48.03 | greycat | szymek: NEVER DO THAT. |
| 18:48.07 | greycat | !smite szymek |
| 18:48.08 | linlin | Can someone help me with my apache? http://rafb.net/paste/results/Tx7kCH59.html |
| 18:48.13 | misfit_ | does anyone knows where can i see a log file from torsmo? |
| 18:48.38 | szymek | but any try of installing it end me with crushed system |
| 18:48.42 | jasoncohen | tarzeau, i was told there are disadvantages to compiling amarok with gcc 4 and that it compiles with the "default" compiler |
| 18:48.45 | greycat | szymek: no shit. |
| 18:48.48 | greycat | that's why I said NEVER DO THAT |
| 18:48.49 | empty | szymek, that's like deciding to go the DIY route with your own circumcision, seriously |
| 18:49.01 | tarzeau | linlin: oh that really sucks. how did you manage that? is that really debian? |
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| 18:49.09 | linlin | yes it is |
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| 18:49.22 | rr72 | greycat~ are u an engrish teecr? |
| 18:49.22 | greycat | szymek: if you touch libc on your own, you are no longer even running Debian. you're running szebian or something. |
| 18:49.26 | szymek | im doing for education purposes ... |
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| 18:49.39 | greycat | szymek: well, you learned something .... |
| 18:49.40 | szymek | sound good :) |
| 18:49.44 | empty | szymek, well consider yourself educated |
| 18:49.52 | szymek | no !! |
| 18:50.00 | Draconicus | shingouz: camorama is working fine, too, now that I've rebuilt the drivers with the new kernel (which required the headers, of course. :P) |
| 18:50.01 | mxn | Out of interest, why has non-us just been put to sleep if the law regarding crypto export was changed in 2001? |
| 18:50.01 | ariel___ | does anyone here know a pdf editor working on debian¿ |
| 18:50.05 | tarzeau | linlin: well that version of dpkg doesn't log the details of those postinst.stuff ;) |
| 18:50.08 | tarzeau | linlin: go figure |
| 18:50.12 | szymek | i will not be until i do it and it will be running quiet smoothly |
| 18:50.15 | greycat | mxn: it was already half dead as of woody's release. |
| 18:50.20 | greycat | mxn: it took a while to fully kill it |
| 18:50.21 | shingouz | Draconicus: i told you the spca5xx is a pain in the ass |
| 18:50.28 | mxn | greycat: Indeed. :-) |
| 18:50.38 | linlin | tarzeau so what do i do now |
| 18:50.42 | Draconicus | shingouz: Yeah. I think I've got it happy now, though. :) |
| 18:50.52 | stew | linlin: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 18:50.54 | tarzeau | linlin: apt-get source apache |
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| 18:51.01 | Draconicus | Now I just have to tackle the issue with blank CD-Rs not being read and soforth.. |
| 18:51.10 | tarzeau | linlin: make the scripts verbose (-x) and compile install your own debs |
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| 18:51.25 | shingouz | Draconicus: 1) get caffeine, 2) get a bigger hammer |
| 18:52.16 | cmihai | What's up with this "debian pure" thing. It states it installs some apps and such, but... it's vague... |
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| 18:52.42 | tarzeau | cmihai: who cares? |
| 18:52.49 | tarzeau | cmihai: #debian is only about *.debian.org/* |
| 18:53.04 | tarzeau | cmihai: not about debian.net or debianpure.com or apt-get.org |
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| 18:53.19 | linlin | tarzeau would it be easier for my to jsut install from source from apache.org? |
| 18:53.23 | FieldySnuts | lag? |
| 18:53.27 | cmihai | tarzeau: whatever, I don't do politics. |
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| 18:53.43 | FieldySnuts | and #debian doesn't do non-what-tarzeau-covered stuff |
| 18:53.44 | tarzeau | linlin: no you want to find out why the debian package fails |
| 18:53.46 | tarzeau | linlin: and fix it |
| 18:54.02 | linlin | no i dont :P |
| 18:54.05 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: can you stop using non no-stuff you confuse me |
| 18:54.09 | linlin | i want apache to install and work |
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| 18:54.16 | tarzeau | linlin: no you want to fix debian |
| 18:54.27 | stew | tarzeau: why do you think the package is broken? |
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| 18:54.40 | HobNob | hmm, i don't suppose there's a way to use sftp without a shell login is there? sounds a bit daft i know, but i might want someone to have sftp capabilities, i know it's a subsystem to sshd, so i'm presuming the answer is no, but i want them to sftp but not have ssh access to a shell |
| 18:54.42 | tarzeau | stew: look at his problem, see the pastebin |
| 18:54.43 | stew | tarzeau: i think he just has a confmiss |
| 18:54.59 | tarzeau | !confmiss |
| 18:55.00 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 18:55.06 | FieldySnuts | HobNob: there's some shell you can use for that purpose, i forget.. lemme look |
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| 18:55.22 | tarzeau | linlin: did you try --reinstall ? |
| 18:55.29 | HobNob | hmm i tried setting the shell to false |
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| 18:55.46 | tarzeau | HobNob: check scponly or rssh |
| 18:55.48 | ray_umbc | I'm pretty sure it needs a real shell, but you could try a restricted one like rbash. |
| 18:55.51 | OleMoudi | is there any program to give priority to programs which use the network connection? |
| 18:55.51 | FieldySnuts | HobNob: yeah then you won't be able to log in period. rssh is the shell i use to do that |
| 18:55.59 | tarzeau | ray_umbc: yuck no. rbash is a joke |
| 18:56.02 | HobNob | ahhh rssh thanks guys :) |
| 18:56.02 | szymek | so what's up with glibc ? (i know i'm stubborn :)) |
| 18:56.18 | FieldySnuts | !sidsmite szymek |
| 18:56.19 | HobNob | got in google, coolies cheers :) |
| 18:56.21 | tarzeau | OleMoudi: not really |
| 18:56.23 | greycat | szymek: if you want to compile your own glibc, you are in the wrong place. ask ##linux or #lfs or something. |
| 18:56.26 | linlin | reinstall didnt work |
| 18:56.34 | tarzeau | szymek: or #gnu or #glibc |
| 18:56.46 | tarzeau | linlin: then do what i told you |
| 18:56.49 | linlin | •stew• whats an example syntax of that confmiss stuff? |
| 18:56.54 | tarzeau | stew: look confmiss didn't help him |
| 18:57.01 | szymek | thanx for channels, wish me luck :) |
| 18:57.04 | valdyn | OleMoudi: details of this go beyond this channel ( see www.lartc.org ), or try looking at the package "wondershaper" |
| 18:57.16 | tarzeau | szymek: wait also bother #knoppix #gentoo and #ubuntu abit |
| 18:57.26 | szymek | ok |
| 18:57.27 | tarzeau | heh |
| 18:57.33 | valdyn | OleMoudi: wondershaper doesnt do anything on a 'per application' base though.. |
| 18:57.34 | szymek | thx again |
| 18:57.45 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite tarzeau |
| 18:57.46 | ravenbird | tarzeau: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
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| 18:58.01 | stew | linlin: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache |
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| 18:58.11 | linlin | yeah that didnt work |
| 18:58.22 | OleMoudi | valdyn, I was only wondering if there is a way to avoid xmms radio streams to get choked because I begin to browse heavy webpages |
| 18:58.25 | linlin | same error |
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| 18:58.47 | tarzeau | OleMoudi: try to use nice/renice |
| 18:58.47 | valdyn | OleMoudi: you dont need per application traffic shaping for that, just try wondershaper |
| 18:58.50 | stew | linlin: try purging apache first then installing then |
| 18:58.58 | OleMoudi | ok |
| 18:59.02 | linlin | whats the command for that |
| 18:59.13 | valdyn | tarzeau: that does *anything* to network traffic? |
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| 18:59.26 | tarzeau | valdyn: well if you nice all other apps to 18 or 19 |
| 18:59.42 | tarzeau | valdyn: and his xmms to -20 .. it might really work |
| 18:59.58 | valdyn | tarzeau: hah |
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| 19:00.15 | FieldySnuts | setting the process priority of an app isn't going to change it's networking performance much |
| 19:00.24 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: but a little |
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| 19:00.42 | FieldySnuts | nowhere close to enough to bother and you can't tune it |
| 19:00.57 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a world war |
| 19:00.57 | dpkg | Israel kicks Saudi ass! |
| 19:01.08 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: true. but then wondershaper for what he wants might be overkill |
| 19:01.23 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: i'd rather use some user space per app shaping tool |
| 19:01.27 | valdyn | tarzeau: that small script overkill? |
| 19:01.28 | FieldySnuts | dunno never had to goof with any of that sort of thing, i'd be buying edicated hardware to do that stuff |
| 19:01.42 | tarzeau | valdyn: hey you can't do it with a 2.2 linux kernel |
| 19:01.43 | valdyn | tarzeau: like what? |
| 19:01.48 | tarzeau | valdyn: AND it won't work with debian non-linux kernels |
| 19:01.50 | valdyn | tarzeau: point! |
| 19:01.57 | rr72 | so i guys greycat hat engrihs |
| 19:02.03 | tarzeau | valdyn: maybe you're right... |
| 19:02.08 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
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| 19:03.53 | valdyn | OleMoudi: on the other hand, maybe increasing xmms's buffer size does just the same, easier. |
| 19:04.07 | Roadrunne | hi, is there any commandline tool to do search&replace within many textfiles in one folder? |
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| 19:04.16 | linlin | How can i totally remove all traces of the debian packages for apache, like i'm freshly installing it like when I first booted the machine? |
| 19:04.18 | FieldySnuts | !folder |
| 19:04.18 | dpkg | folder is probably a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
| 19:04.29 | tarzeau | Roadrunne: yeah. sed |
| 19:04.37 | rr72 | how do u use kde? |
| 19:04.38 | valdyn | linlin: apt-get --purge remove apache-common |
| 19:04.42 | Micc`` | Hi, Please someone tell me how to host a domain from my box. |
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| 19:04.46 | tarzeau | linlin: i don't think that'll fix your problem |
| 19:05.00 | tarzeau | linlin: really try what i told you , but you want to learn it the hard way (masochist!) |
| 19:05.07 | tarzeau | Micc``: go www.mine.nu |
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| 19:05.15 | linlin | i dont know how to do what you told me |
| 19:05.26 | linlin | im ew to this whole apt-get thing, novice at everythin else |
| 19:05.31 | tarzeau | Micc``: install apache or thttpd and ez-ipupdate |
| 19:05.31 | Roadrunne | tarzeau: thanks, i'll 'man' about it ;-) |
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| 19:05.39 | Micc`` | tarheelcoxn: then? |
| 19:05.42 | l4vim | how can I match --dport for range ports with iptables ? |
| 19:05.45 | tarzeau | linlin: ok type apt-get source apache |
| 19:05.49 | OleMoudi | I'll try that first valdyn, thanks |
| 19:05.49 | tarzeau | linlin: i'll guide you |
| 19:05.51 | l4vim | 1-1024 for example |
| 19:06.05 | rr72 | what is kde? |
| 19:06.07 | rr72 | hehe |
| 19:06.09 | FieldySnuts | l4vim: there's a range module but i forget what it's called |
| 19:06.19 | QaDeS | how do i do a complete update of all packages? |
| 19:06.27 | rr72 | apt-get upgrade |
| 19:06.28 | valdyn | !tell rr72 about kde |
| 19:06.30 | l4vim | FieldySnuts : patch-o-matic type ? |
| 19:06.34 | Micc`` | QaDeS: apt-get upgrade |
| 19:06.35 | QaDeS | oic tyvm |
| 19:06.45 | Micc`` | guys, how to host a domain from my box?! |
| 19:06.49 | greycat | QaDeS: from what to what? |
| 19:06.53 | linlin | w0000t |
| 19:06.53 | rr72 | valdyn~ im not stupid |
| 19:06.58 | tarzeau | Micc``: damn are you blind? |
| 19:07.04 | rr72 | thats why i put hehe |
| 19:07.04 | greycat | Micc``: install a server for whatever service you want to hsot |
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| 19:07.13 | linlin | http://rafb.net/paste/results/BCNRrD82.html :)))) |
| 19:07.25 | Micc`` | greycat: I wana host webhosting for a domain, tell me what I should do pls. |
| 19:07.26 | tarzeau | linlin: not bad |
| 19:07.33 | tarzeau | Micc``: install apache or thttpd and ez-ipupdate |
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| 19:07.52 | zabralkan | i can notm make my pendrive work in debian ...? |
| 19:08.05 | Micc`` | tarzeau: which is better? and how to get with apt-get |
| 19:08.05 | linlin | jsut curious, what were you going to have me do tarzeau, like build the binaries from the source, but through apt-get somehow? |
| 19:08.05 | l4vim | FieldySnuts : I have this ;) --dport 1:1024 |
| 19:08.14 | zabralkan | why.. i plug it and nothing happends... |
| 19:08.21 | rr72 | greycat's petpeef si gameer nda peln |
| 19:08.22 | l4vim | FieldySnuts : I sow this on netfilter.org ;) |
| 19:08.23 | FieldySnuts | l4vim: that won't work. you'll have to dig up info, i don't remember any more |
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| 19:08.29 | tarzeau | linlin: yes apt-get source apache; then go into apache-1.2.3 directory and run debuild |
| 19:08.30 | zabralkan | i try to mount and of course there is no devise |
| 19:08.34 | FieldySnuts | it's done differently |
| 19:08.41 | tarzeau | linlin: after you edit some debian/*inst files to have -x |
| 19:08.57 | tarzeau | Micc``: thttpd, apt-get install thttpd |
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| 19:09.17 | tarzeau | Micc``: but the best is apt-get install nethack supertransball2 |
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| 19:09.30 | rr72 | wb BlueShift |
| 19:09.34 | l4vim | FieldySnuts : it's working - I checked - my syslog-ng logs syn packages for it |
| 19:09.42 | zabralkan | any who can help me |
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| 19:09.52 | Micc`` | tarzeau: after installing? It will add www folder in the root dir? |
| 19:09.53 | rr72 | BlueShift~ know i need to get speakers |
| 19:10.00 | rr72 | yes |
| 19:10.01 | tarzeau | Micc``: in /var/www |
| 19:10.04 | rr72 | no |
| 19:10.08 | rr72 | in /root/ |
| 19:10.10 | Micc`` | after install? |
| 19:10.18 | Micc`` | i wont do anything more u mean? |
| 19:10.18 | tarzeau | Micc``: not sure, yeah |
| 19:10.23 | sparcman | hi everybody ! |
| 19:10.26 | tarzeau | Micc``: you put stuff into /var/www |
| 19:10.26 | cmihai | Is Sarge ok on most SATA controllers ? |
| 19:10.31 | tarzeau | cmihai: i think so |
| 19:10.32 | Micc`` | Oki |
| 19:10.35 | valdyn | cmihai: yes |
| 19:10.39 | zabralkan | ? |
| 19:10.41 | tarzeau | sparcman: what SPARC do you have? |
| 19:10.42 | valdyn | cmihai: but you want to use linux26 |
| 19:10.49 | rr72 | how do i know if i have sarge are sid or woody? |
| 19:10.56 | cmihai | Yeah, I figured that. |
| 19:11.01 | cmihai | Thanks. |
| 19:11.03 | pipeline | rr72: cat /etc/debian_release, probably |
| 19:11.09 | sparcman | hi tarzeau , i've a spacstation 2 |
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| 19:11.18 | pipeline | sparcman: linux is broken on an SS2 |
| 19:11.19 | tarzeau | sparcman: sweet |
| 19:11.22 | tarzeau | pipeline: why? |
| 19:11.26 | pipeline | sparcman: longstanding MMU bug. Runs slower than shit. |
| 19:11.41 | tarzeau | pipeline: AHHHH that's why it's so damn slow |
| 19:11.44 | pipeline | tarzeau: Because nobody ever cared enough to fix the longstanding problems. |
| 19:11.45 | tarzeau | sparcman: i'd try OPENSTEP on it ;) |
| 19:11.54 | rr72 | 3.1 |
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| 19:11.58 | rr72 | whats 3.1? |
| 19:11.59 | pipeline | tarzeau, sparcman : OpenStep doesn't run on an SS2. |
| 19:12.00 | sparcman | i know but, i'm using it as a terminal station for my servers.... |
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| 19:12.02 | tarzeau | pipeline: wait mine are ss4 and ss20 |
| 19:12.04 | pipeline | rr72: Most likely sarge. |
| 19:12.07 | linlin | can whoever please hive my server a test run: http://linlin.ballistixnet.com |
| 19:12.17 | sparcman | i've got an original sun big display |
| 19:12.18 | tarzeau | pipeline: netbsd ? |
| 19:12.20 | rr72 | i don't have debian_version |
| 19:12.23 | pipeline | tarzeau: SS4 and SS20 are sun4m. SS2 is either sun4c or sun4, I've long forgotten. |
| 19:12.27 | zza | join #debian-br |
| 19:12.35 | Micc`` | tarzeau: after installing it, I should add a DNS record in my domain, as www that refers to my box IP, right? |
| 19:12.40 | valdyn | linlin: getting the Index of / |
| 19:12.41 | mathieu_ | rr72, you should, it's part of the 'base-files' package |
| 19:12.41 | tarzeau | pipeline: ah oki, thanks for clearing up |
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| 19:12.46 | tarzeau | sparcman: know about #sparc ? |
| 19:12.53 | linlin | alright cool |
| 19:12.55 | linlin | thanks |
| 19:12.57 | sparcman | now i'm new to irc :)) |
| 19:12.57 | rr72 | could it be somewhere else? |
| 19:13.02 | tarzeau | sparcman: does yoru big sun display have a remote control? |
| 19:13.04 | linlin | now i gotta do php -_- |
| 19:13.06 | pipeline | sparcman: Install NetBSD :P |
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| 19:13.21 | mathieu_ | rr72, /etc/debian_version it is |
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| 19:13.28 | Micc`` | ? |
| 19:13.28 | rr72 | nope |
| 19:13.30 | sparcman | i tried to install Net but, i'm really in Debian !! |
| 19:13.31 | rr72 | don't have it |
| 19:13.37 | Micc`` | tarzeau: after installing it, I should add a DNS record in my domain, as www that refers to my box IP, right? |
| 19:14.04 | tarzeau | Micc``: you've got dns servers? i'd use www.mine.nu |
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| 19:14.12 | mathieu_ | rr72, what do you get with dpkg -l base-files and dpkg -L base-files ? the latter should list /etc/debian_version |
| 19:14.23 | tarzeau | Micc``: i use wildcards at www.mine.nu for my domains |
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| 19:14.50 | rr72 | nope |
| 19:14.57 | dacer | hi, anyone can help me to set bittorrent throw a web proxy? |
| 19:14.59 | rr72 | i don't get anything when i do those cmds |
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| 19:15.08 | mathieu_ | rr72, apt-get install base-files then? |
| 19:15.23 | valdyn | !info base-files |
| 19:15.24 | BlueShift | grrr! no sound on 2.6 either! anybody have any idea what's wrong with sound on my system? oss drivers can't load so i replaced them with alsa. alsa modules are loaded, all volume levels are ok in alsamixer, esd is even able to load and still nothing. xmms and mpg321 doesn't output any sound. google doesn't help either. :( |
| 19:15.31 | rr72 | to lazy |
| 19:15.33 | valdyn | rr72: you are running debian? |
| 19:15.36 | dpkg | base-files: (Debian base system miscellaneous files), section base, is required. Version: 3.1.4 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 19:15.39 | h3xis | can someone tell me how to start debian in text mode? i've tried editing inittab and it keeps opening GDM each time |
| 19:15.55 | rr72 | yes |
| 19:15.56 | tarzeau | !nodm |
| 19:15.56 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 19:16.25 | dacer | h3xis, try to press CTRL+ALT+F1, this open a console, but not close X |
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| 19:16.42 | h3xis | dacer, yeah, i just need to install nvidia drivers and i need X to shut down |
| 19:17.03 | mathieu_ | rr72, too lazy to use apt-get? :) |
| 19:17.07 | valdyn | !tell h3xis about nvidia drivers |
| 19:17.19 | dacer | h3xis ok, after that, stop "gdm" /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 19:17.22 | rr72 | h3xis~ hit ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 19:17.40 | kab00m | hi folks |
| 19:17.45 | h3xis | alright, thanks |
| 19:17.48 | linlin | grrr...now php is being a whore |
| 19:18.02 | BlueShift | rr72: CTL+ALT+BKSPC won't work if you don't stop X and X is started automatically at boot time coz it will just respawn. |
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| 19:18.04 | tarzeau | sbk: re |
| 19:18.06 | FieldySnuts | @absue php |
| 19:18.07 | kab00m | how can i find all big files on my system....e.g. all files bigger than 10 mb? |
| 19:18.12 | FieldySnuts | or not |
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| 19:18.30 | tarzeau | kab00m: man find |
| 19:18.33 | FieldySnuts | kab00m: man find , also man sort, pipe find somestuff | sort or something |
| 19:18.34 | kab00m | is this possible with a 'one-liner'? |
| 19:18.40 | cmihai | yep |
| 19:18.46 | FieldySnuts | kab00m: alternatively if you have KDE, filelight is a great way to find big files/wated space |
| 19:18.56 | FieldySnuts | wasted space. be sure to set cross filesystem boundaries on, and show small files |
| 19:19.00 | cmihai | df -k -s / | head | sort -rn | waaaa whatever |
| 19:19.03 | kab00m | unfortunately i have no kde :'-( |
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| 19:19.06 | tarzeau | kab00m: yes |
| 19:19.14 | cmihai | Just figure that one out, I'm lazy atm. |
| 19:19.29 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: and xdu |
| 19:19.33 | Draconicus | Hey, do you think I'd have any problems mounting a 5.25" bay on the IDE floppy cable without changing anything, or would I have to modify fstab? |
| 19:19.33 | cmihai | I meant du. |
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| 19:20.03 | dacer | h3xis, do you get it? |
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| 19:21.02 | rr73 | BlueShift, ty for helpping me |
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| 19:21.59 | rr73 | how do i get a nice grub screen? |
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| 19:22.11 | cmihai | put a splash.. |
| 19:22.21 | rr73 | i know that |
| 19:22.26 | Le_Vert_ | hey ppl |
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| 19:22.31 | rr73 | i would like breif steps |
| 19:22.35 | Le_Vert_ | can someone help me |
| 19:22.40 | Le_Vert_ | to package a lib |
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| 19:23.01 | linlin | why worry about your grub screen, you only see it for what, 15 seconds every time you boot? |
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| 19:23.02 | cmihai | rr73: brief: put it in your grub config, make sure it exists. |
| 19:23.13 | ^rob^ | hello |
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| 19:23.34 | rr73 | not that breif |
| 19:23.40 | rr73 | a few words longer |
| 19:23.55 | ^rob^ | is there a tool to re-set the network's ip, gate etc? |
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| 19:24.01 | kab00m | hm when i make find -size 1000k it doesnt find anything....but i definetely *have* files bigger than 10mb... |
| 19:24.20 | rr73 | like illegal mp3 and pics? |
| 19:24.28 | cmihai | Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst or whatever it was, and put something like "splash ...".. Just google for comfigs, etc. |
| 19:24.45 | rr73 | comfigs? |
| 19:24.45 | error403 | just a quick question, becuase i have forgotten >.< How do i change my desktop manager to xdm ? |
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| 19:24.49 | cmihai | kab00m: sudo du -h / | sort -rn | head -10 |
| 19:24.53 | shingouz | ^rob^: man interfaces (i just love that leading caret btw, makes nick completion a total pain) |
| 19:24.53 | rr73 | hahaha |
| 19:24.58 | error403 | what config file do i need to edit |
| 19:24.58 | error403 | ? |
| 19:24.59 | linoleum | hey, do you have problems with gdesklets ?? I can't install it |
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| 19:25.19 | shingouz | error403: dou you have xdm installed? |
| 19:25.24 | ^rob^ | so vi is the only one? |
| 19:25.52 | error403 | shingouz, yes, but i changed to use KDM, and i want to switch back |
| 19:25.56 | shingouz | ^rob^: any editor followed with ifdown/ifup |
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| 19:26.07 | linlin | linlin:/etc/apache# apache restart |
| 19:26.07 | linlin | Syntax error on line 48 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf: |
| 19:26.07 | linlin | LoadModule takes two arguments, a module name and the name of a shared object file to load it from |
| 19:26.10 | shingouz | error403: remove --purge kdm, install xdm |
| 19:26.12 | linlin | wth does that mean |
| 19:26.16 | dacer | hi, can anyone help me to set bittorrent throw a web proxy? |
| 19:26.29 | al3xander | i'm trying to find a majordomo package on debian |
| 19:26.29 | error403 | shingouz, where is the config file though? |
| 19:26.31 | al3xander | is a package in the tree? |
| 19:26.55 | Draconicus | 5" floppy drive? No comments? |
| 19:26.55 | ^rob^ | shingouz: i was wondering if is there any packages to edit this - like slack has - netconfig or whatever - i know wat to edit - bu others does not! |
| 19:26.58 | shingouz | error403: what config file? |
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| 19:27.14 | error403 | shingouz, the one where i can specify the desktop manager |
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| 19:27.30 | cmihai | splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz -> put that /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 19:27.37 | shingouz | ^rob^: not that i know of. /etc/network/interfaces i not too complex in anycase. |
| 19:27.48 | cmihai | then grub-install. |
| 19:27.55 | error403 | shingouz, never mind |
| 19:27.56 | error403 | found it |
| 19:28.10 | error403 | default-display-manager |
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| 19:28.13 | ^rob^ | shingouz: i know - others linux has such tools i was wondering if deb has too.. ;) |
| 19:28.18 | ^rob^ | text mode. |
| 19:28.19 | shingouz | error403: update-alternatives if you have two things instlled |
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| 19:28.36 | ^rob^ | ty |
| 19:28.44 | cmihai | rr73: also... make sure the file exists. |
| 19:28.46 | cmihai | Get a nice splash. |
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| 19:29.03 | cmihai | (bleah, grub, boot loaders, splashes... who needs them) |
| 19:29.15 | rr73 | im busy setting up eggdrop |
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| 19:29.55 | cmihai | Grr, i hate that name... eggdrop. |
| 19:30.12 | cmihai | It's the trademark of lamers, script kiddies and such on undernet. |
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| 19:30.38 | cmihai | And one of the main reasons they "r00t" boxes... |
| 19:30.50 | cmihai | I wonder. Did I struck a cord there :) |
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| 19:30.59 | shingouz | cmihai: no, nicks like _-*l337m0r0n*-_ are the trademark |
| 19:31.00 | greycat | and it's a soup |
| 19:31.09 | g5 | Bonjour |
| 19:31.16 | g5 | qqu'un parle francais ? |
| 19:31.24 | empty | !fr |
| 19:31.24 | shingouz | !fr |
| 19:31.25 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 19:31.32 | g5 | thx |
| 19:32.13 | linoleum | hey, do you have problem installing gdesklets?? I can't |
| 19:32.36 | shingouz | linoleum: you do not happen to be running Sid there? |
| 19:32.49 | masoft | linlin, gdesklets is running in my computer. what's ur problem exactly ? |
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| 19:33.19 | linlin | hehehe, wrong nick :P |
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| 19:34.30 | error403 | shingouz, i did what you said, but now the whole thing dies at the "Loading window manager" stage |
| 19:34.33 | archivist2 | where do i look to set smp kernel on sarge |
| 19:35.03 | shingouz | error403: huh? you remove --purged kdm and installed xdm? |
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| 19:35.34 | valdyn | archivist: apt-cache search kernel-image smp |
| 19:35.35 | linoleum | shingouz, yes, I'm running SID |
| 19:35.41 | error403 | shingouz yes |
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| 19:36.00 | archivist2 | tnxs |
| 19:36.04 | error403 | shingouz, its working now, but i cant get into XFCE in any way.... |
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| 19:36.42 | linoleum | shingouz, I just can't install gdesklets,I got these error : libgtop2-2 is not instalable |
| 19:36.42 | shingouz | linoleum: just in case you haven't noticed, Sid is unstable and has a tendency to break. afaik gnome is still borked. besides, it is Sid, not SID; it is not an acronym |
| 19:36.53 | error403 | hmmm |
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| 19:36.58 | error403 | im gonna try a reboot |
| 19:37.00 | shingouz | error403: sec, lemme check something |
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| 19:37.03 | linoleum | shingouz, ho tkx my lord |
| 19:37.10 | error403 | shingouz, ill be right back |
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| 19:37.21 | shingouz | linoleum: sarcasm is lost on me |
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| 19:37.25 | empty | shingouz, maybe he's shouting, thats been known to happen with Sid ;) |
| 19:37.31 | nekojin | hey guys, what package is java runtime environment in? |
| 19:37.33 | nekojin | if any |
| 19:37.39 | shingouz | empty: true... |
| 19:37.40 | kab00m | for everyone whos as stupid as me : find / -size +1024k -follow works :) |
| 19:37.43 | linoleum | tkx for your advice... |
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| 19:38.02 | empty | nekojin, j2re |
| 19:38.19 | donw | Anyone know how to get a PCMCIA modem working under Debian 2.6? The serial_cs module doesn't appear to be around, I can't build the pcmcia-cs modules against this kernel for some odd reason, and I'm not seeing any dmesg activity when I insert the device showing serial ports -- but it works under 2.4. |
| 19:38.27 | stew | nekojin: /msg dpkg java |
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| 19:38.51 | empty | donw, hotplug and pcmcia modules |
| 19:38.53 | nekojin | thanks much |
| 19:38.55 | nekojin | i'll check out both |
| 19:39.04 | black13 | what does x11 have to have .Xathority file? |
| 19:39.42 | greycat | black13: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 19:39.48 | greycat | black13: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 19:42.16 | crystalremo | i just installed sarge with x windows, but i can't get a higher resolution that 640x480. my /etc/X11/XFree86-4.conf file or whatever its called has 1024/768 and 800x600 in the screen section... what else might be wrong? |
| 19:42.33 | shingouz | !tell crystalremo about drxx |
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| 19:42.46 | crystalremo | did it |
| 19:42.48 | shingouz | crystalremo: you did not edit the file by hand, did you? |
| 19:42.48 | crystalremo | didn't work |
| 19:42.51 | Pryon | crystalremo: what does it say in your XFree86.0.log? |
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| 19:43.55 | shingouz | crystalremo: didn't work is not a real good indicator on what happened |
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| 19:44.28 | FieldySnuts | !doesn't work |
| 19:44.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 19:44.29 | FieldySnuts | slackers |
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| 19:44.40 | crystalremo | i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and ran through the whole thing, putting in higher resolutions and then restarted X and its still on 640x480 |
| 19:44.42 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: you call me a slacker? :o |
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| 19:44.51 | FieldySnuts | sowwy |
| 19:45.01 | valdyn | crystalremo: and what did you put the monitor settings to? |
| 19:45.04 | shingouz | youwe wewcome |
| 19:45.06 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 19:45.09 | apt | EU 0wnz the USA! |
| 19:45.16 | mrplum | heh |
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| 19:45.37 | dareth | crystalremo Try ctl-alt and + or - to change res |
| 19:45.59 | crystalremo | i hope the answer "didn't work" is sufficient |
| 19:46.17 | FieldySnuts | as long as "sorry can't help you" works |
| 19:46.22 | crystalremo | it doesn't do anything to press ctrl-alt-+ or ctrl-alt-- |
| 19:46.23 | abel | hi all, i have a few process blocked in blk_co and get_re state du to a crash in an umount cmd anyway to kill them withot rebooting knowing that kill -9 don't seems to work |
| 19:46.32 | dareth | In your x config file, you can specify the resolutions.. I added 1024x768 manually to mine. |
| 19:46.34 | shingouz | crystalremo: are you sure your monitor has the correct sync rates in the file? |
| 19:46.39 | stew | crystalremo: the X log file will tell you why it's not using higher resolutions, and /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 19:46.49 | crystalremo | shingouz: how do i do that? |
| 19:46.51 | shingouz | dareth: that is not the debian way |
| 19:47.00 | shingouz | crystalremo: rerun dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 19:47.48 | tmervin | hi |
| 19:47.58 | crystalremo | hi |
| 19:48.00 | mrplum | hello there |
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| 19:48.05 | shingouz | ...and 887 people says hi... |
| 19:48.17 | error403 | shingouz, i have an even more annoying problem now... |
| 19:48.19 | abel | hi |
| 19:48.25 | shingouz | error403: which is? |
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| 19:48.37 | error403 | shingouz, it seems there is no longer a default display manager, so X is not starting... |
| 19:49.01 | shingouz | error403: damn. try update-alternatives |
| 19:49.10 | error403 | shingouz, syntax? |
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| 19:49.18 | tmervin | i've tried to install sarge using floppies on my laptop, trying different boot options, but it always stops at the end of the root disk load, so just before the graphical menu |
| 19:49.24 | shingouz | error403: man update-alternatives |
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| 19:49.36 | donw | empty: I've got all the built-in hotplug and PCMCIA modules installed, and...well, nada. What do I need to modprobe for PCMCIA serial cards? |
| 19:50.08 | error403 | shingouz, i done that already, but i dont know what path and stuff i should be using to set the display manager |
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| 19:50.30 | shingouz | error403: lemme read a bit, ok? i am not omniscient you know |
| 19:50.53 | empty | donw, no idea never used them, but pcmcia and and hotplug means you may be on the quest for the module for that particular card now |
| 19:51.24 | intx | is it safe to upgrade to sarge? |
| 19:51.33 | empty | intx, desktop or server? |
| 19:51.37 | tmervin | i've tried to install sarge using floppies on my laptop, trying different boot options, but it always stops at the end of the root disk load, so just before the graphical menu |
| 19:51.40 | pipeline | intx: Well, you'll have to sooner or later |
| 19:51.45 | error403 | ok, thanks shingouz |
| 19:52.02 | intx | empty: server, but it's not mission critical |
| 19:52.14 | tmervin | does someone have this problem ? |
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| 19:52.24 | QaDeS | is it normal that kontact keeps hanging at 84%? o.O |
| 19:52.50 | ColonelKernel | I installed firestarter, now all these messages pertaining to my firewall are popping up in my console - how do I fix this? |
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| 19:53.43 | intx | pipeline: what does upgrading break? |
| 19:54.39 | Mr_Person | I just upgraded one of my servers to Apache 2 and started getting a lot of Segmentation fault errors. I've upgraded to Apache2 without difficulty on several other similar servers. What should I look at first to get this fixed? Can I generate a backtrace somehow? |
| 19:54.42 | donw | empty: I knew that much already. |
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| 19:55.14 | shingouz | error403: try update-alternatives --dislpay x-window-manager to start with |
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| 19:56.14 | xelpud | are there any known problems associated with upgrading to sarge from woody? |
| 19:56.27 | Nick0r | hi im getting an error when running 'w': |
| 19:56.28 | Nick0r | w: error while loading shared libraries: libproc.so.3.2.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:56.46 | error403 | shingouz, just done that, it listed all my window managers and selected xfwm4 as the best |
| 19:56.55 | error403 | (i am using XFCE anyway) |
| 19:57.03 | dabi | anyone knows simple and free 3d modeller for newbies? |
| 19:57.07 | greycat | 14:45 greycat> Nick0r: failed woody->sarge upgrade? |
| 19:57.07 | greycat | 14:47 Nick0r> fn~greycat: nope! |
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| 19:57.11 | greycat | then what the hell did you *DO*? |
| 19:57.14 | black13 | what is a good debian archive mirror |
| 19:57.16 | shingouz | error403: that is the one you should have there |
| 19:57.31 | error403 | shingouz, ok, what next? |
| 19:57.36 | error403 | restart? |
| 19:57.38 | Nick0r | fn~greycat: as far as I know, nothing.. |
| 19:57.45 | Nick0r | I've just tried it and that's the answer |
| 19:57.47 | Nick0r | how to fix it? |
| 19:58.01 | thorie | is there a wput? (kind of like wget, except it uploads files to an ftp site?) |
| 19:58.04 | shingouz | error403: --list *dm |
| 19:58.18 | greycat | Nick0r: apt-get --reinstall install procps |
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| 19:58.30 | Nick0r | ok ta |
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| 19:58.40 | error403 | shingouz, in what? |
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| 19:58.55 | shingouz | error403: update-alternatives --list *dm |
| 19:59.03 | error403 | shingouz, no output |
| 19:59.12 | Nick0r | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 102 |
| 19:59.13 | Nick0r | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 19:59.13 | Nick0r | /var/cache/apt/archives/cron_3.0pl1-87_i386.deb |
| 19:59.21 | greycat | shingouz: you mean x-display-manager? actually I think it's /etc/X11/default-something-or-other |
| 19:59.22 | shingouz | error403: try display as the regex |
| 19:59.35 | valdyn | Nick0r: try removing that file |
| 19:59.48 | shingouz | greycat: i have no clue, this is the first time i do anything with update-alternatives :) |
| 20:00.05 | error403 | shingouz, nope.... |
| 20:00.36 | shingouz | error403: dpkg-reconfigure xdm? /me is a bit out of his depth again |
| 20:00.46 | Nick0r | ok |
| 20:01.15 | greycat | shingouz: I think this one's actually not handled by alternatives at all |
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| 20:01.22 | valdyn | error403: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager _or_ dpkg-reconfigure <somedm> |
| 20:01.29 | Nick0r | hmmm validyn tried that |
| 20:01.30 | Nick0r | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cron_3.0pl1-87_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 20:01.30 | Nick0r | subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102 |
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| 20:01.36 | Nick0r | sameerror |
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| 20:01.49 | shingouz | greycat: could very well be. i have not seen this happen before |
| 20:01.54 | Nick0r | invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S89cron |
| 20:01.55 | greycat | Nick0r: put a "set -x" near the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/cron.prerm |
| 20:02.03 | greycat | Nick0r: *what*? |
| 20:02.07 | greycat | Nick0r: what the hell is it, then? |
| 20:02.12 | error403 | ok, thanks guys, going to reboot and see what happens.. |
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| 20:02.13 | valdyn | Nick0r: why is that not a symlink? |
| 20:02.14 | Nick0r | ok |
| 20:02.18 | Nick0r | no idea! |
| 20:02.22 | greycat | Nick0r: ls -ld |
| 20:02.38 | Nick0r | drwxr-xr-x 24 Nick Nick 4096 May 26 21:33 . |
| 20:02.44 | greycat | *foreheadslap* |
| 20:02.48 | greycat | *thud* *thud* *thud* |
| 20:02.49 | black13 | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian testing keeps bombing out |
| 20:02.49 | mbruemmer | i have a problem with rosegarden4 on my ibook |
| 20:02.52 | greycat | Nick0r: ls -ld /etc/rc2.d/S89cron |
| 20:02.55 | Nick0r | sorry |
| 20:02.56 | Nick0r | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 26 21:01 . |
| 20:03.01 | Nick0r | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1096 Apr 9 20:20 /etc/rc2.d/S89cron |
| 20:03.09 | xelpud | Nick0r: did you copy the filesystem to another hard drive or something? |
| 20:03.12 | greycat | why is that a file and not a symlink? |
| 20:03.15 | Hool | greycat: don't do that.. you might damage your /dev/frontal_lobe |
| 20:03.27 | Nick0r | fn~xelpud: could have done a long time ago |
| 20:03.41 | greycat | Nick0r: ls -ld /etc/init.d/cron |
| 20:03.51 | xelpud | maybe you forgot to preserver symlnks when you did that |
| 20:03.52 | Nick0r | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1096 Apr 9 20:20 /etc/init.d/cron |
| 20:04.03 | greycat | Nick0r: rm /etc/rc2.d/S89cron; ln -s ../init.d/cron /etc/rc2.d/S89cron |
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| 20:04.11 | Nick0r | done |
| 20:04.36 | Nick0r | ok |
| 20:04.36 | QaDeS | congrats :oD |
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| 20:06.03 | exerd | how do i transfer files between two debiancomputers ? |
| 20:06.03 | Butterman | does anyone know where the grub config file is stored? |
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| 20:06.17 | valdyn | exerd: man scp |
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| 20:06.29 | hacim | Butterman: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:06.35 | Butterman | thanks |
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| 20:06.47 | tarzeau | what's this? warning: large integer implicitly truncated to unsigned type |
| 20:07.00 | tarzeau | Butterman: dpkg -L somepackage |
| 20:07.04 | tarzeau | exerd: why not use NFS? |
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| 20:07.24 | valdyn | tarzeau: a gcc warning? |
| 20:07.28 | takatumi | tarzeau: too many points in bub-n-bros and your memory crapped out? :P |
| 20:07.32 | tarzeau | valdyn: but why do i get it? |
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| 20:07.40 | shingouz | exerd: scp is one option |
| 20:07.44 | tarzeau | valdyn: that's what i do: outb(0x03ce,0x6); |
| 20:07.51 | Nick0r | update-rc.d: warning: /etc/rcS.d/S30procps.sh is not a symbolic link |
| 20:07.51 | Nick0r | invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: /etc/rcS.d/S30procps.sh |
| 20:07.55 | Nick0r | hmm greycat ^ |
| 20:07.57 | tarzeau | takatumi: no way, but my dragon owns you all! |
| 20:08.00 | exerd | is it hard to set up nfs? |
| 20:08.03 | greycat | exerd: scp, sftp, ftp, NFS, SMB, floppies, CDs, DVDs, ... |
| 20:08.16 | greycat | Nick0r: and? |
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| 20:08.35 | Nick0r | that's preventing me reinstalling |
| 20:08.42 | valdyn | exerd: scp already works, why setup more? |
| 20:08.57 | tarzeau | exerd: no. very easy |
| 20:09.12 | Hool | how do one go about unfscking a network card? |
| 20:09.14 | tarzeau | exerd: tftp is also possible |
| 20:09.25 | Hool | fiddled around with my kernel and now my network is dead |
| 20:09.31 | FieldySnuts | i wouldn't call nfs easy, and i would say insecure (rpc/portmapper shit) |
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| 20:10.11 | shingouz | Hool: how about modprobing the appropriate module? |
| 20:10.14 | exerd | tarzeau, my network looks like this internet----->computer1---->computer2 is it possible to share things to the net from computer2 to computer1 and then to the internet with nfs? |
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| 20:10.39 | tarzeau | valdyn: heh i had the parameters wrong. DAMNED LINUX OUTB MANUAL PAGE SUCKS ASS |
| 20:10.40 | greycat | exerd: never expose NFS to the internet. |
| 20:10.44 | tarzeau | i hate manual pages like inb(2) |
| 20:10.54 | tarzeau | why only must they suck so much? |
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| 20:10.56 | exerd | greycat, ok so how do i do the thing i want to do? |
| 20:11.09 | greycat | exerd: c1 is a router and c2 has the disk drive? |
| 20:11.10 | rutski89 | hi all |
| 20:11.19 | greycat | exerd: what protocol are you trying to expose to the clients in the internet? |
| 20:11.34 | exerd | greycat, ftp |
| 20:11.39 | greycat | *GODS* |
| 20:11.46 | greycat | WHY oh WHY oh WHY do people still use FTP? |
| 20:11.59 | exerd | greycat, I can change to ssh =) |
| 20:12.01 | FieldySnuts | !smite plaintext password exchange |
| 20:12.02 | tarzeau | because lftp is a great ftp client? |
| 20:12.14 | greycat | FTP is like the *one* protocol in the *whole* world that's *so* fucking retarded that you can't port-forward to it from a NAT. |
| 20:12.14 | Rawplayer | because most of the people start with ftp on a windows machine :) |
| 20:12.27 | FieldySnuts | greycat: yeah. reminds me of dcc. |
| 20:12.48 | greycat | DCC has an excuse. FTP was just built wrong for no reason. |
| 20:12.49 | Hool | shingouz: i did |
| 20:12.50 | FieldySnuts | you need a specific module for iptables to deal with dcc right behind nat. annoying |
| 20:12.59 | Nick0r | any ideas greycat? |
| 20:13.02 | shingouz | Hool: ifconfig -a |
| 20:13.03 | FieldySnuts | well, FTP is also ancient. it served its needs, *at the time* |
| 20:13.05 | greycat | Nick0r: fix it. |
| 20:13.08 | Nick0r | I can't do an apt-get upgrade |
| 20:13.15 | greycat | Nick0r: you can do ls |
| 20:13.17 | FieldySnuts | if i"m not mistaken, ftp was the first RFC? |
| 20:13.25 | ColonelKernel | I installed firestarter, now all these messages pertaining to my firewall are popping up in my console - how do I fix this? |
| 20:13.43 | exerd | but how do scp work? i read the manual but dont understand. |
| 20:13.44 | Nick0r | ln: `/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-debconf-no-bitmaps.conf': File exists |
| 20:13.47 | greycat | FieldySnuts: it goes way back, but I doubt it's #1. |
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| 20:13.57 | FieldySnuts | oh yeah i think tftp is older |
| 20:13.59 | Hool | shingouz: what am i looking for? |
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| 20:14.08 | greycat | exerd: why can't you just set up a web server to share your files with the world? |
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| 20:14.20 | greycat | exerd: that's what anyone with sense would do. Unless you need people to upload files *to* you. |
| 20:14.26 | Swelly | *I'm an idiot*, i did a mv /* to /home/swelly/mail, and it was all going well until i realised what i had done :( is there anyway i can invoke mv from somewhere in /home/swelly/mail/bin or wherever to move everything back ? :( |
| 20:14.47 | valdyn | exerd: scp file remotehost: |
| 20:14.56 | Nick0r | dpkg: error processing apache (--configure): |
| 20:14.56 | Nick0r | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 20:15.01 | exerd | greycat, but i have all my files on this computer. Its not connected directly to the net it has ip 192.168.0.2 |
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| 20:15.09 | Hool | Swelly: don't be sad. at least you didn't buy and telia stocks |
| 20:15.11 | shingouz | Hool: you are looking for the interface you want up? is it up? is it there in the first place? |
| 20:15.16 | Nick0r | greycat ^^, there's no error now |
| 20:15.21 | greycat | exerd: and you can't set up a web server because...? |
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| 20:15.33 | Hool | shingouz: "linkEncap etc etc" |
| 20:15.42 | exerd | greycat, i could |
| 20:16.02 | greycat | exerd: then do that, and then forward port 80 from computer1 to 192.168.0.2 port 80 |
| 20:16.10 | hoo | I'm getting an error with mplayer when I try to play a DVD. I have libdvdcss installed and mplayer. it says Reading disc structure, please wait... |
| 20:16.11 | hoo | libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. |
| 20:16.11 | hoo | Can't open VMG info! |
| 20:16.11 | greycat | exerd: voila! one web server on the 'net. |
| 20:16.22 | shingouz | Hool: do you see anything remotely resembling the card you have? |
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| 20:17.04 | Hool | shingouz: i don't really know. never used this command before.. i have "ethernet HWaddr <numbers>" |
| 20:17.13 | Nick0r | greycat, I can't seem to fix |
| 20:17.19 | Nick0r | can you go to paste? |
| 20:17.19 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 20:17.21 | shingouz | Hool: very informative... |
| 20:17.22 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 20:17.23 | Hool | i have one of those fancy 3com 3XP nics |
| 20:17.30 | Nick0r | greycat, #paste |
| 20:17.44 | Hool | shingouz: sorry.. this sorta thing never happened to me before.. |
| 20:17.55 | shingouz | Hool: do you have an idea what module the nic uses? |
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| 20:18.19 | Hool | shingouz: i modprobed 3c95x i think |
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| 20:18.38 | Hool | yeah 3c59x |
| 20:18.42 | shingouz | Hool: but is that the correct module |
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| 20:18.50 | Nick0r | greycat see #flood |
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| 20:18.56 | Hool | shingouz: i think it is.. |
| 20:19.13 | shingouz | Hool: do i have to google the name of the module for you? |
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| 20:19.25 | Hool | probelm is i rebooted to jack in another harddrive and now it can't find my NIC |
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| 20:19.57 | saapas | is there any possibility to run squirrelmail 1.4.4 on apache 1.3.33 ? |
| 20:20.05 | shingouz | Hool: i know you cannot find your nic. that is what i am trying to help you with. |
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| 20:20.10 | Hool | shingouz: well.. from what i can gather there is no more modern module than 3c59x for PCI 10/100 cards? |
| 20:20.13 | FieldySnuts | might wanna check squirrelmails requirements |
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| 20:20.16 | jvw | saapas: eh, it should just work? |
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| 20:20.25 | valdyn | Nick0r: reinstall? |
| 20:20.27 | Nick0r | anyone who can help me with the upgrade problem please see #flood |
| 20:20.28 | ColonelKernel | how do I make firestarter log to the system log instead of to the console? |
| 20:20.29 | Nick0r | reinstall what? |
| 20:20.30 | FieldySnuts | i would think so, think it just depends on php and mysql/postrewhatever |
| 20:20.30 | jvw | 1.3.33 is like the version in Sarge |
| 20:20.32 | Nick0r | those 3? |
| 20:20.36 | Hool | shingouz: if you can help me out i would be grateful.. |
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| 20:20.54 | FieldySnuts | @hack php |
| 20:20.58 | valdyn | Nick0r: your whole system. |
| 20:21.02 | FieldySnuts | one day i'll remember ravenbirds strikes back |
| 20:21.08 | Hool | my problem is that my stuff just works.. so when stuff blows up .. it can be a bit hard to remember exactly what's in the boxes ;) |
| 20:21.16 | saapas | jvw, well, I have sarge now, and I had to use --force-depends when installing squirrelmail |
| 20:21.18 | czm | Anyone ever used or setup an Thomson Speedtouch 330 USB ADSL Modem.. i have it working but have some VERY strange error messages in /var/log/messages? |
| 20:21.37 | saapas | jvw, without that option it would require apache2 to be installed. |
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| 20:21.44 | Nick0r | valdyn, errr, no. |
| 20:21.49 | Nick0r | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 20:21.50 | Nick0r | apache |
| 20:21.50 | Nick0r | fontconfig |
| 20:21.50 | Nick0r | libapache-mod-perl |
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| 20:21.52 | FieldySnuts | if it has an ethernet interface, use it. usb interfaces on cable and dsl modems are extremely problematic, and usually can't work in linux |
| 20:21.55 | Hool | shingouz: oh btw im running Sarge on a AMD platform |
| 20:22.05 | FieldySnuts | s/in/with/ |
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| 20:22.09 | shingouz | Hool: do an lspci for me and paste the stuff about the nic here. just the line that identifies the exact type of the nic |
| 20:22.14 | saapas | jvw, now I'm having problems logging on to imapd with squirrelmail. both are on the same host |
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| 20:22.27 | Zrin | is there anything wrong with chmod a+r / |
| 20:22.28 | valdyn | Nick0r: you fucked every single symlink on your system, reinstall is probably the easiest solution to that. |
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| 20:22.53 | streuner | Zrin: yes |
| 20:22.59 | greycat | Zrin: you should never HAVE to do that. |
| 20:23.02 | FieldySnuts | or restore from backups (as if) |
| 20:23.02 | Nick0r | valdyn... i can't reinstall it's a production server |
| 20:23.05 | greycat | Zrin: / should already be 755 |
| 20:23.06 | crystalremo | in the XFree86-4.conf do you really need all the screen subsections? display for depths 1,4,8,15,16? what if you are only going to use 24 bit color? can you remove those extra sections? |
| 20:23.07 | Hool | 3c905c-tx/tx-m |
| 20:23.11 | hoo | I'm getting an error with mplayer when I try to play a DVD. I have libdvdcss installed and mplayer. it says Reading disc structure, please wait... |
| 20:23.11 | hoo | libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. |
| 20:23.11 | hoo | Can't open VMG info! |
| 20:23.22 | FieldySnuts | !tell hoo about flooding |
| 20:23.25 | jvw | saapas: well, see the documentation, maybe it's wrongly configued |
| 20:23.29 | saapas | jvw, actually, I think I just found something.. |
| 20:23.35 | jvw | saapas: has nothing to do with apache though |
| 20:23.36 | saapas | jvw, yea, reading it. |
| 20:23.42 | Zrin | greycat: hmm, it is 711 |
| 20:23.46 | saapas | alright. |
| 20:23.51 | Hool | hoo: can't ya flood some beer? im thirsty ;) =) |
| 20:23.53 | shingouz | Hool: in that case the module you have there should be the correct one. how many nics do you have there? |
| 20:23.55 | FieldySnuts | hoo: ask the mplayer guys, debian doesn't offically support it |
| 20:23.55 | Zrin | greycat: no idea why or how |
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| 20:24.01 | Hool | shingouz: 1 |
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| 20:24.26 | shingouz | Hool: ifconfig and look for eth0 then |
| 20:24.31 | Nick0r | valdyn, not every symlink is broke, just a few now.. |
| 20:24.34 | Zrin | so, / should be 755 anyway |
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| 20:25.07 | greycat | Zrin: chmod 755 / |
| 20:25.12 | einsteinmg | how to get the kernel syscall manpages with make-kpkg, with "make-kpkg -uc -us --rootcmd fakeroot kernel-doc" only the html docu is packaged |
| 20:25.26 | greycat | a 711 / sounds like some gentoo user's idea of "security" (*cough* raf256) |
| 20:25.32 | Hool | shingouz: i have no eth0 |
| 20:25.39 | Hool | strangely enough.. |
| 20:25.43 | binarydigit | what other filesystem could my compactflash card be coming out of my digital camera if its not vfat? |
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| 20:25.54 | greycat | binarydigit: ask file(1) |
| 20:25.56 | raf256 | greycat: haha |
| 20:25.59 | Zrin | greycat: i thought so ... but how did it get 711 ?!? |
| 20:26.01 | shingouz | Hool: don't keep me guessing then. i need to know what you *have* there if there is no eth0 |
| 20:26.05 | binarydigit | k |
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| 20:26.29 | crystalremo | hoo: go ask on a freenode irc server on channel #mplayer |
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| 20:27.17 | Hool | "lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet adr:127.0.0.1 Mask 255.255" |
| 20:27.34 | Hool | does this mean i have card X and no config? |
| 20:27.39 | Rawplayer | no |
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| 20:27.46 | jkasdn | i have a (possibly) dumb question. The light won't go off on my USB drive after I plugged into my PC. It is umounted and all so it is not busy. Is it safe to unplug it? |
| 20:27.48 | difeta | I have a debian router and interanl webserver. I setup port forawding from the router to the internal webserver, that works just fine. But my log files on my webserver indicate that the ipaddress connecting to the internal webserver is my router ip and not the actual client ip. Any ideas on how to make the client ip showup in the logs og m internal webserver? |
| 20:28.18 | crystalremo | difeta: depends on how your router forwards the client requests |
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| 20:28.39 | shingouz | Hool: ifup eth0 |
| 20:29.01 | difeta | crystalremo waht method would prevent the requests from having their ip changed |
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| 20:29.11 | stew | jkasdn: if the drive is not mounted it is safe to disconnect it |
| 20:29.21 | Hool | shingouz: feeeeeeeeeeer 0_0 |
| 20:29.26 | Hool | working now :) thank you |
| 20:29.28 | binarydigit | greycat: just says x86 boot sector |
| 20:29.36 | crystalremo | difeta: not really sure... what is the router? |
| 20:29.46 | greycat | binarydigit: does it have a partition table? (fdisk -l /dev/....) |
| 20:29.54 | Hool | shingouz: i need to learn more about this.. can you recommend any good reading? |
| 20:29.59 | difeta | crystalremo a debian lnux box with two NICS |
| 20:29.59 | shingouz | Hool: excellent. i have no clue how you borked it though |
| 20:30.08 | binarydigit | yea it says fat16 which is weird |
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| 20:30.13 | binarydigit | cause it wont mount |
| 20:30.14 | shingouz | Hool: define 'this' |
| 20:30.15 | binarydigit | with vfagt |
| 20:30.17 | binarydigit | vfat |
| 20:30.23 | Hool | shingouz: it wasn't me it was him --> |
| 20:30.42 | jkasdn | stew: thanks. I had a drive earlier that died later on, but it must have been defective. |
| 20:30.44 | crystalremo | difeta: and what are you using as your firewall/router software? |
| 20:30.48 | Hool | shingouz: debian netwroking.. and stuff |
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| 20:30.56 | difeta | crystalremo iptables |
| 20:30.57 | capu | is there an easy command to install *deb? |
| 20:30.58 | shingouz | !faq |
| 20:30.58 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:31.05 | binarydigit | dmesg spits out cant find a valid fat filesystem on the device |
| 20:31.06 | shingouz | Hool: ^^^ |
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| 20:31.51 | crystalremo | capu: dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 20:32.01 | capu | thanking you |
| 20:32.31 | crystalremo | somehow i managed to get a resolution of 832x624... anyone heard of that? |
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| 20:32.55 | capu | crystalremo, you must have a good screen to display it.. thought i haven't heard of it |
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| 20:33.04 | Gozar | Hello. I have just updateded to sarge, and installed exim4. When exim4 asked if I would have multiply config files, or just one big config file, I chooce 1 config file. But when i look in /etc/exim4 there are a bunch of files. Which config file does exim4 then use? |
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| 20:33.33 | Hool | shingouz: again.. thanks for your time :) |
| 20:33.50 | JCDenton | Odd question, but does anyone know if the Sarge update should install the iptable_filter module? |
| 20:34.22 | JCDenton | the system is a monolithic kernel, yet after updating to Sarge, there's the module |
| 20:34.29 | shingouz | hool: np |
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| 20:35.44 | ColonelKernel | how do I blank a file? |
| 20:35.59 | greycat | > filename |
| 20:36.11 | ColonelKernel | I want to make my /var/log/kern.log empty - otherwise it tends to get rather enormous |
| 20:36.29 | jdhutchin1 | ColonelKernel, set up logrotate to do it correctly |
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| 20:37.03 | einsteinmg | how to get the kernel syscall manpages with make-kpkg, with "make-kpkg -uc -us --rootcmd fakeroot kernel-doc" only the html docu is packaged |
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| 20:37.04 | ColonelKernel | ok but I dont want to compress and mail the logs anywhere |
| 20:37.09 | ColonelKernel | I just want to get rid of them |
| 20:37.10 | Nick0r | Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/testing/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 20:37.11 | Nick0r | Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/testing/non-US/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 20:37.14 | Nick0r | is that correct?! |
| 20:37.40 | PeTeRB | !topicbadger Nick0r |
| 20:37.41 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that Nick0r didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 20:38.37 | Nick0r | yer... what about it |
| 20:38.57 | jdhutchin1 | it explains your problem |
| 20:39.12 | shingouz | !tell Nick0r about non-us |
| 20:39.13 | Mr-R | Nick0r: sarge is released. so testing/non-US does not exists anymore i presume |
| 20:39.16 | Nick0r | "sarge released" |
| 20:39.20 | Nick0r | ah |
| 20:39.23 | Nick0r | so i switch to stable? |
| 20:39.24 | Nick0r | or what |
| 20:39.40 | shingouz | Nick0r: there *IS* no non-us anymore |
| 20:39.49 | Nick0r | okay |
| 20:39.58 | shingouz | read what dpkg told you |
| 20:40.00 | shingouz | ffs... |
| 20:40.08 | Mr-R | Nick0r: everything now is inside the usa. *could not resist* |
| 20:40.15 | Mr-R | sorry guys. :) |
| 20:40.15 | Nick0r | OK... |
| 20:40.21 | Nick0r | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 20:40.21 | Nick0r | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 20:40.23 | Nick0r | so those 2 are fine |
| 20:40.24 | Nick0r | ? |
| 20:40.27 | Nick0r | !tell Nick0r about non-us |
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| 20:40.52 | shingouz | !tell Nick0r about msg |
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| 20:43.53 | Teufel | Guerin: you there? ;) |
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| 20:44.41 | Nick0r | how can you "skip" installing something? |
| 20:45.20 | shingouz | Nick0r: if it is a required package there is no way you can skip it really |
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| 20:45.54 | black13 | xauth: error in locking authority file /home/black13 |
| 20:45.54 | black13 | Xauthority file what is this |
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| 20:47.03 | Nick0r | damn |
| 20:47.09 | Nick0r | i can't figure out whats causing this to error |
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| 20:47.22 | shingouz | do we get to guess the error? |
| 20:47.26 | Teufel | lol |
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| 20:47.47 | Nick0r | see #flood |
| 20:48.40 | shingouz | Sid? |
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| 20:50.24 | Teufel | I don't think I have a ftp daemon running... whenever I try to install something via ftp it fails, no matter what source... |
| 20:50.29 | tarzeau | i need someone with DOS, VGA and a C compiler to test something |
| 20:50.38 | shingouz | Nick0r: tell me one thing: why the hell do you run Sid if you cannot make the packages install in the first place? Sid is unstable and borks from time to time |
| 20:51.38 | shingouz | tarzeau: i have all of those somewehre here but i would need to install a box for that. if no other volunteers show up, i can do it |
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| 20:52.13 | lewis | can someone point me to a exim 'store and forward' guide? |
| 20:52.27 | tarzeau | shingouz: it's to test something about improving speed on machines. i remember having done some tests on dos boxes (some years ago, about 6 or 7). but then suddenly got interrupted, and i'd like to continue now |
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| 20:52.33 | archivist | setting up vnc on sarge. The client connects but gets a blank screen with cursor, what have i missed? |
| 20:52.43 | raf256 | how can I speed up searching of files based on names (as in find / -name foo)? |
| 20:52.53 | raf256 | without changing filesystem to reiserfs |
| 20:53.28 | shingouz | tarzeau: i can set up a basic dos box here if you really need it. i know i have at least a Borland C here somewhere, for WfW3.11 if that would work |
| 20:53.42 | FieldySnuts | you could use locate which uses a pre-gathered index to find things, but you have to do updatedb once in a while |
| 20:53.48 | tarzeau | shingouz: borland c is perfect. |
| 20:54.08 | tarzeau | shingouz: wfw is good too, i need to run the software in textmode and in windows (or some other graphical video mode) |
| 20:54.09 | FieldySnuts | if you need it for the current filesystem, then yes reiserfs is about as fast as you'll get (and i've never had problems with it at work or home) |
| 20:54.23 | tarzeau | shingouz: no need to hurry, it waited 7 years now... |
| 20:54.31 | tarzeau | shingouz: if you can get back to me with the thing within a week |
| 20:54.32 | shingouz | tarzeau: that is doable then :) |
| 20:54.47 | shingouz | i'll look into it tomorrow unless something bad happens, ok? |
| 20:54.58 | saapas | jvw, ha, I logged in into squirrelmail \o/ |
| 20:55.42 | Mr-R | raf256: use something like "locate"? |
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| 20:55.59 | raf256 | Mr-R: yes.. it rox, it sees "updatedb" is in cron anyway |
| 20:56.21 | capu | Can anyone tell me: What directory is mozilla installed to by default? |
| 20:56.24 | Mr-R | raf256: hmm. never use it now... so i dunno. :) |
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| 20:56.42 | directhex | capu, dpkg -L mozilla-browser |
| 20:56.47 | capu | thankyou |
| 20:57.23 | tarzeau | shingouz: great, you are fantastic |
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| 20:57.43 | shingouz | tarzeau: i still won't marry you :p |
| 20:57.57 | Teufel | I don't understand what swap partitions are ... |
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| 20:58.02 | tarzeau | shingouz: neither would i |
| 20:58.11 | directhex | Teufel, you understand what swap space does? |
| 20:58.14 | tarzeau | Teufel: they are partitions without a filesystem |
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| 20:58.47 | Teufel | Ok, I'm trying to set up debian on a 120gb hard drive, but I only want it on 80gigs of it, and save the other 40 for something else down the line |
| 20:58.47 | crystalremo | i just installed mozilla firefox using apt-get install mozilla-firefox, but regular users can't see it.... as a regular user i try and run /usr/bin/firefox and i get no such file found... |
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| 20:59.01 | Teufel | do I want a swap partition then? on the other 40? |
| 20:59.15 | toonX | can anyone take a look at my iptables -L please and tell me if it's good? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/C9nIu729.html |
| 20:59.37 | directhex | Teufel, generally, your swap partition should be about the same size as your RAM |
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| 20:59.56 | directhex | crystalremo, that's because they should run "mozilla-firefox" |
| 21:00.06 | crystalremo | Teufel: you should have one, but you should carve it out of the 80gb you want to keep |
| 21:00.24 | crystalremo | directhex: once again, file not found... |
| 21:00.35 | Teufel | I guess I still don't understand what they are then... what is the point of taking it out of the 80gb? What does it help? |
| 21:00.56 | directhex | Teufel, swap space is... extra ram, on your hard disk, for when you run out. |
| 21:01.05 | lewis | can anyone show me their exim4.conf for their backup/secondary mail server/ |
| 21:01.12 | Teufel | oh, cool... so it's a pretty good thing right? |
| 21:01.17 | directhex | Teufel, swap is MUCH slower than real ram, though |
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| 21:01.36 | directhex | literally several thousand times slower |
| 21:01.39 | Gathond | directhex: you might gain somewhat from having swap even before you run out though |
| 21:01.58 | directhex | Gathond, does he sound like he's at a technical level for a full epxlanation of memory pages? |
| 21:02.00 | pipeline | Teufel: Old-style systems, when they ran out of memory, would stop a process and put it all on disk |
| 21:02.14 | Teufel | directhex: So, I am looking at the partiion screen, I have hda1 boot primary linux swap 80gb.... |
| 21:02.16 | pipeline | Teufel: So you ended up being able to only run one program at a time if the sum of any two programs used more memory than you had available |
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| 21:02.19 | Gathond | directhex: point taken |
| 21:02.34 | pipeline | Teufel: Swap space lets you run two programs slowly instead of one, then another. |
| 21:02.41 | Teufel | directhex: does that mean the whole 80gb is swap? |
| 21:03.02 | caphuso | you can't use a 80GiB swap partition |
| 21:03.11 | directhex | lord |
| 21:03.17 | directhex | Teufel, do you have 80gb ram? |
| 21:03.34 | Teufel | directhex: of course not.. so should I switch the 80gb type then? |
| 21:03.43 | rutski89 | TeX is a markup language that can be used for taking mathimatical notes, right? |
| 21:04.00 | caphuso | rutski89: that's a crude approximation, but yeah |
| 21:04.02 | Teufel | OK, so just make 80gb normal linux, then do say... 64 mb of swap? |
| 21:04.07 | Gathond | rutski89: TeX is a typesetting language |
| 21:04.12 | directhex | Teufel, you seem rather frozen in your concepts of how big things should be. make a 79.5gb / partition, a 500mb swap partiton, and your 40gb fat32 partition |
| 21:04.17 | rutski89 | caphuso: yea, I really know nothing about it O.o |
| 21:04.20 | directhex | Teufel, you have 64mb ram? |
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| 21:04.37 | Teufel | directhex: yeah :-( on this comp... |
| 21:04.47 | Gathond | rutski89: LaTeX is a markup language based upon tex (written because TeX is almost impossible to use directly) |
| 21:04.58 | Axioplase | hi |
| 21:05.03 | directhex | Teufel, i'd usually opt for a reasonable level of swap (500mb or so), unless you have reasons for more/less |
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| 21:05.16 | rutski89 | Gathond: Ahh I see, I've heard of LaTeX, but i never knew the relation |
| 21:05.20 | rutski89 | Gathond: Is it hard to learn? |
| 21:05.22 | Gathond | Teufel: follow the rule of thump about having 2x memory in swap |
| 21:05.25 | crystalremo | anyone gotten firefox to work on their system? im having some real troubles |
| 21:05.25 | Axioplase | Is that me or is modconf not in debian anymore ? (if yes, in which package?) |
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| 21:05.49 | Teufel | ok, I'll try that, thanks guys... so they are in fact two different partitions that work together? One normal linux partition, and another one just for swap right? |
| 21:06.02 | directhex | Teufel, yes. |
| 21:06.04 | Gathond | rutski89: not the basics of using it, actually LaTeX are TeX macroes, so you can extend and redefine just about anything, in what case it is not that easy to learn |
| 21:06.04 | caphuso | rutski89: google for "the not so short introduction to latex" |
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| 21:06.11 | directhex | Teufel, linux can deal with as many partitions as you want it to |
| 21:06.14 | Teufel | directhex: ahh ok, thanks for your patience |
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| 21:06.53 | Teufel | directhex: just at start up I thought though... it's not like windows in that it can only run with one part of the hard drive at a time? |
| 21:06.55 | caphuso | directhex: well, until you run out of /dev entries |
| 21:07.03 | caphuso | or hit the hardware limits |
| 21:07.11 | rutski89 | caphuso: hehe, sure :D |
| 21:07.19 | catlee | I saw a blog post a while ago that showed a graph of a boot process: which processes were running, and for how long, what they block on, etc. Anybody know what program(s) did that? I want to use the same thing for my make process to see if I can optimize my make process a little bit |
| 21:07.28 | directhex | Teufel, windows can also deal with any numbewr of partitions |
| 21:07.49 | Teufel | directhex: at the same time? .... It can choose between boots I thought but not while one is running |
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| 21:08.28 | sphinx | Hi |
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| 21:08.36 | sphinx | someone could helps me in sources.list ? |
| 21:08.38 | directhex | Teufel, you can access any number of disks from my computer - be they extra drive letters (D: through Z:) or as NTFS mounts (e.g. C:\partition2) |
| 21:08.46 | Teufel | directhex: do I want the swap partition to be bootable? |
| 21:08.54 | crystalremo | sphinx: whats the problem? |
| 21:09.00 | directhex | Teufel, no. |
| 21:09.08 | sphinx | crystalremo, where could I past mine ? |
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| 21:09.37 | crystalremo | sphinx: what? that doesn't make sense... |
| 21:09.43 | Teufel | directhex: and the swap should be logical part type, where the main linux parition should be primary? |
| 21:09.44 | neiljp | are there any ideas for unified download-folder specification? |
| 21:10.02 | liable | !tell sphinx about paste |
| 21:10.14 | sphinx | crystalremo, hmm i have installed debian3.0 r2 and i want to upgrade to 3.1 what lines must i add ? |
| 21:10.17 | neiljp | firefox downloads to somewhere, epiphany to somewhere else... |
| 21:10.19 | Gathond | Teufel: does not matter, both can be primary for all linux cares, your bios might have problems booting a logical partition though |
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| 21:11.26 | Nick0r | (21:54:43) (fn~shingouz) Nick0r: tell me one thing: why the hell do you run Sid if you cannot make the packages install in the first place? Sid is unstable and borks from time to time --> I wasn't aware I used Sid? |
| 21:11.51 | directhex | Teufel, honestly, it shouldn't matter much in this day & age whether you use logical or primary, but given you have only 64mb ram, sounds like an antique pc, so your first partiiton should definitely be primary |
| 21:11.53 | shingouz | Nick0r: i think you are. paste your sources.list into #flood |
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| 21:12.19 | toonX | how can i disable ftp , telnet and other services i don't want ? |
| 21:12.19 | directhex | !tell sphinx about woody->sarge |
| 21:12.21 | Teufel | directhex: yeah it's a pretty bad piece of crap, 400 mhz amd processor lmao |
| 21:12.30 | caphuso | toonX: by not installing them in the first place |
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| 21:12.42 | crystalremo | !tell crystalremo about woody->sarge |
| 21:12.45 | Nick0r | ok i've just changed them a bit |
| 21:12.46 | sphinx | directhex, could i paste my file in your query or ? |
| 21:13.01 | Teufel | directhex: I'm planning to buy a good stick of ram for it soon though |
| 21:13.02 | directhex | sphinx, no, you couldn't |
| 21:13.14 | sphinx | directhex, in flood channel can i ? |
| 21:13.19 | sphinx | :/ |
| 21:13.32 | toonX | caphuso yeah, what i ment i that from outside i want them to be disabled , but stllbe able to use them inside LAN, like telnet to router |
| 21:13.46 | Nick0r | any ideas shingouz? |
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| 21:14.06 | jetx | senor directhex|work: do you know of a way to recover data from a floppy that has been overwritten with other data? |
| 21:14.08 | caphuso | toonX: what kind of router? |
| 21:14.14 | shingouz | Nick0r: the apache stuff you showed me comes from Sid as far as i can tell. your sources.list points to Woody so i think something is seriously wrong at this point. |
| 21:14.21 | shingouz | !any ideas |
| 21:14.21 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and 42 starving dairy cows. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 21:14.25 | capu | Guys - I installed the JRE bin file from Java.com - installed it as the instructions said (making a symbolic link to the plugins directory) but java still wont work... can anyone help me out? |
| 21:14.30 | capu | I dont know how to diagnose the problem |
| 21:14.42 | Nick0r | it's weird isnt it shingouz |
| 21:14.42 | caphuso | capu: /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:14.43 | jetx | java worked just fine for me when i followed the directions |
| 21:14.55 | jetx | all i know |
| 21:15.08 | capu | i followed them extemely closely |
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| 21:15.28 | sphinx | must I change all woody to sarge in my sources.list to upgrade from 3.0r2 to 3.1 ? |
| 21:15.29 | Nick0r | is there a way to flush the update and get a totally new list shingouz? |
| 21:15.31 | toonX | caphuso what's that has to do with anything :) |
| 21:15.34 | grepper | capu: this is for the browser plugin ? |
| 21:15.38 | shingouz | Nick0r: oyu mentioned that you changed the list somewhat. did you paste the exact sources.list into #flood? the very same unedited list you have on your system? |
| 21:15.40 | capu | grepper, yes |
| 21:15.51 | grepper | mozilla ? firefox ? |
| 21:15.53 | jetx | capu: did you make the link IN the plugins dir? TO the java thing? |
| 21:15.55 | capu | Mozilla |
| 21:16.01 | Teufel | Does it take a long time to trucate swap area or did my comp freeze? |
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| 21:16.08 | caphuso | toonX: if you don't want help, why are you asking? |
| 21:16.10 | Nick0r | the original one |
| 21:16.15 | capu | a symbolic link via the terminal - i followed the instructions from Java's site |
| 21:16.15 | Nick0r | was just all the #'s removed |
| 21:16.19 | Nick0r | and the woodys not there |
| 21:16.24 | grepper | and you have a link from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or ~/.mozilla/plugins ? |
| 21:16.27 | capu | it says "Java should now be installed and ready to use" - but it's not working |
| 21:16.29 | Nick0r | they were all 'testing' |
| 21:16.42 | jasoncohen | i wonder why the security fixes in gaim 1.3.1 havnen't been backported to sarge. fedora, ubuntu, mandrake, and suse have already done so i believe. |
| 21:16.55 | toonX | caphuso well you can explain yourself a bit if it's not much of a trouble |
| 21:16.57 | sphinx | anyone could gives me some sources.list to upgrade 3.0r2 to 3.1 ? |
| 21:17.02 | capu | from /usr/..... |
| 21:17.03 | jetx | should be off in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, you put the symlink there, correct capu? |
| 21:17.09 | mwilson | He's STILL going on about that? |
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| 21:17.15 | capu | yep |
| 21:17.17 | capu | the file's showing up |
| 21:17.27 | capu | and Java is selected as "enabled" |
| 21:17.28 | shingouz | Nick0r: they were all testing? so you changed them from testing to woody? why the hell did you do that? |
| 21:17.35 | jetx | did you turn on java in preferences like it said to do? |
| 21:17.36 | jetx | ah |
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| 21:17.41 | Nick0r | well i'm yet to 'update' |
| 21:17.45 | grepper | capu: paste a ls -l on the plugin link in the plugins dir |
| 21:17.48 | exerd | i made a new user for my pure-ftpd server but i get this when trying to connect 530 Authentication failed, sorry |
| 21:17.54 | capu | ok |
| 21:17.54 | capu | hold on |
| 21:17.59 | capu | should i be root? |
| 21:18.07 | jetx | not just for an ls |
| 21:18.12 | capu | ok |
| 21:18.16 | jetx | unless you get perms denied |
| 21:18.19 | jasoncohen | sphinx, read the sarge release notes and change your woody entries in /etc/apt/sources.list to sarge. also remove non-us |
| 21:18.24 | jasoncohen | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-network |
| 21:18.39 | Nick0r | makes no difference, i still get the errors shingouz |
| 21:18.52 | sphinx | jasoncohen, sure must i remove all non-us ? |
| 21:18.58 | Nick0r | shingouz, see flood |
| 21:19.01 | jasoncohen | sphinx, make sure to follow these instructions for upgrade- http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-updating_lists |
| 21:19.09 | jasoncohen | sphinx, non-us no longer exists in sarge |
| 21:19.18 | sphinx | oh ok jasoncohen |
| 21:19.20 | capu | grepper can i pm you it? |
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| 21:19.28 | grepper | sure |
| 21:19.40 | jasoncohen | sphinx, use aptitude for the upgrade- not apt-get |
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| 21:19.51 | sphinx | jasoncohen, why ? |
| 21:19.59 | shingouz | Nick0r: didnt we mention the non-us issue earlier? |
| 21:20.04 | Teufel | Is there even a point in installing stuff from sarge discs? I mean most all the software has upgrdaes from websites correct? |
| 21:20.12 | Nick0r | yer |
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| 21:20.17 | Nick0r | so I should comment out all non-us |
| 21:20.35 | shingouz | Nick0r: yes. and apt-get upadate |
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| 21:20.46 | kimo | our network has a central auth server, my admin says I cant be root on my laptop, or I will be root on the network! |
| 21:20.59 | jasoncohen | sphinx, it's better at handling the dependencies. it's what the release notes suggest. you may run into trouble if you use apt-get |
| 21:21.09 | Nick0r | done.... still get the same errors |
| 21:21.09 | Nick0r | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 21:21.10 | jetx | HAH |
| 21:21.25 | jetx | craptitude is a POSER (just ask guerin :p) |
| 21:21.37 | sphinx | jasoncohen, how to run aptitude ? |
| 21:21.37 | jetx | dselect is > * |
| 21:22.04 | jetx | aptitude dist-upgrade probably |
| 21:22.10 | sphinx | ok ;) |
| 21:22.15 | jetx | i don't know |
| 21:22.19 | jetx | man aptitude |
| 21:23.27 | sphinx | jetx yes it is :D |
| 21:23.33 | shingouz | Nick0r: you could try apt-get install -f on the thing |
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| 21:24.18 | jim | dselect is horrible... aptitude was designed for apt, and is better than apt-get becasue the dependency algorithms are better |
| 21:24.19 | Nick0r | apache is already the newest version. |
| 21:24.23 | Nick0r | Setting up apache (1.3.33-6) ... |
| 21:24.24 | Nick0r | wtf |
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| 21:24.31 | jetx | don't sweat it |
| 21:24.58 | jetx | jim: that is incorrect, proven scientifically. |
| 21:25.11 | exerd | how do i start mozilla with another profile? |
| 21:25.11 | jetx | jsut ask guerin |
| 21:25.21 | jetx | :P @ guerin |
| 21:25.21 | Teufel | Does it usually take a long time to initialize a swap partition? |
| 21:25.25 | jetx | no |
| 21:25.30 | jetx | Teufel: how did you create it |
| 21:25.41 | jetx | did you add -v1 ? |
| 21:25.58 | shingouz | Nick0r: i seriously have no idea how the system has been broken . did you do something weird and wonderful to it? |
| 21:26.01 | jim | jetx: the user interface of dselect is intensely frustrating... becasue: it appears you can do things that dselect does not know how to do |
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| 21:26.36 | jetx | jim: the ui is not the best, i agree. the internals are superior however. |
| 21:26.55 | jetx | and the algo's iftheyuse/sinceyousaytheyuse |
| 21:27.19 | jim | no, they're not :P as I said, the ui makes it look MORE capable than it actually is |
| 21:27.25 | jetx | hwever, aptitude will work just the same 99.999% of the time |
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| 21:27.50 | jetx | it's that .001% i like |
| 21:27.57 | ohad | is there a way to force kde to start on startx? (tried to ask in #kde- they are all sleeping:/) |
| 21:28.08 | jetx | ohad: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 21:28.12 | Virtual | can anyone tell me how I can share my connection from my desktop to my laptop, I have a crossover cable and two nic's on my desktop |
| 21:28.18 | jetx | oh nm wrong question sorry |
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| 21:28.27 | kimo | ohad: export WINDOWMANAGER=`which startkde` |
| 21:28.33 | jetx | ohad: update-alternatives |
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| 21:28.55 | credativ | troubles with gFTP, could anyone help me? |
| 21:29.08 | shingouz | not unless you tell us what the problems are |
| 21:29.08 | jim | jetx: can't argue with that statement... it's your statement of preference |
| 21:29.09 | jetx | i can't but i like gftp |
| 21:29.18 | exerd | "While you can run Firefox like this, it is recommended that you run it at least once with privileges that allow it to generate these initial files to improve start performance." How do i do that? |
| 21:29.31 | jetx | jim: all i know is what i see in my little pond (ribbit) |
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| 21:30.20 | Teufel | jetx: er... nevermind, I got it figured out but thanks |
| 21:31.01 | tarzeau | shingouz: still there? |
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| 21:31.08 | shingouz | tarzeau: no |
| 21:31.10 | shingouz | ;) |
| 21:31.19 | tarzeau | shingouz: i was playing with the vga registers, i've found 3 (the wrong ones) but i think i have found the right one now. let me test |
| 21:31.21 | jim | I'm not sure I like the interface of aptitude yet... but... I like typing aptitude install foopackage |
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| 21:31.28 | tarzeau | shingouz: if the test is successfull, i don't need DOS anymore |
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| 21:31.50 | n0cturn0 | tem como recuperar um diretorio excluido????? |
| 21:32.01 | shingouz | !es |
| 21:32.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:32.11 | sussudio | !texugo n0cturn0 |
| 21:32.12 | dpkg | n0cturn0: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
| 21:32.12 | sussudio | !br |
| 21:32.12 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:32.32 | crystalremo | whats considered the stable 2.6 kernel and what advantages does it have over the 2.4 kernel? |
| 21:32.39 | exerd | how do i see the pids and how do i kill them? |
| 21:32.41 | sussudio | !kernel of pain |
| 21:32.42 | shingouz | tarzeau: i'll drag the ibm pizzabox from underneath all kinds of stuff tomorrow, too dark for me to go grepping in the garage at the moment |
| 21:32.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 2.4.x is the Kernel of Pain, or <http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/01/17/0240242> or ask me about <2.4.11> or <2.4.15> or <2.4.18> or <2.4.19> or <2.4.20> or <text.exit> or <nfs client> or <ptrace> or <pcmcia fix> |
| 21:32.53 | sussudio | hm. |
| 21:32.55 | tarzeau | shingouz: maybe you don't have to, at all |
| 21:32.59 | credativ | I'm tring to download a http drectory with gftp... but it shows me that all files have the size 0kb, thats wrong, why does this happen, does anyone have an idea? |
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| 21:33.12 | tarzeau | credativ: try lftp ? |
| 21:33.16 | shingouz | tarzeau: i like archeological expeditions though |
| 21:33.31 | tarzeau | shingouz: heh, i'd love to get a rom dump of that box ;) |
| 21:33.33 | jetx | credativ: wget? |
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| 21:33.38 | tarzeau | shingouz: www.linuks.mine.nu/ree/ remember? |
| 21:33.41 | credativ | tarzeau does it also support http? :o |
| 21:33.45 | tarzeau | credativ: of course |
| 21:33.49 | jetx | credativ: might be the F vs the HT |
| 21:33.54 | exerd | how can i see which processes currently rinning? |
| 21:33.55 | exerd | runnin |
| 21:33.56 | exerd | g |
| 21:33.59 | credativ | i mean, http browsing like an FTP directory? |
| 21:34.00 | tarzeau | exerd: top/ps |
| 21:34.01 | itom | do you know if I can make a livecd of my installation with sarge? |
| 21:34.05 | tarzeau | credativ: yes |
| 21:34.07 | kimo | exerd: top |
| 21:34.10 | jetx | top, ps aux exerd |
| 21:34.18 | credativ | (not like Mozilla Opera etc. does it, that there are many single entrys) |
| 21:34.24 | tarzeau | credativ: yes not like crap browsers |
| 21:34.25 | jasoncohen | jim, does aptitude's better dependency handling help routine upgrades or only distribution upgrades? |
| 21:34.31 | tarzeau | credativ: like high quality software |
| 21:34.33 | shingouz | tarzeau: haven't seen that one before. i think i can make a dump of it |
| 21:34.35 | credativ | hm, intresting :D |
| 21:34.39 | credativ | !google lftp |
| 21:34.48 | tarzeau | shingouz: lovely |
| 21:34.51 | dpkg | Google says lftp is at http://lftp.yar.ru/ or http://lftp.yar.ru/get.html or http://lftp.yar.ru/lftp-man.html or http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/51440/LFTP.html or http://lthaler.free.fr/lftp.htm |
| 21:35.23 | jim | jasoncohen: as compared to what? apt-get? remember that apt-get was originally only intended as a test driver program for the apt library |
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| 21:35.35 | jasoncohen | jim, in other words, other than the support for recommends, is there a reason to use aptitude over apt-get for day to day operations. i personally prefer apt-get as i find it faster for most tasks and aptitude and apt-get can't be used together or aptitude's db gets out of sync and tries to install packages which were removed by apt |
| 21:35.50 | gumpish | I thought "sid" would become the new Testing... "Sid" is always Unstable? |
| 21:35.58 | jasoncohen | jim, v. apt-get |
| 21:36.09 | jasoncohen | gumpish, sid is always unstable. etch will be the new testing |
| 21:36.11 | Seb | gumpish: yes |
| 21:36.16 | jim | jasoncohen: I would think so, yes |
| 21:36.23 | caphuso | jasoncohen: just don't use apt-get. problem solved |
| 21:36.23 | shingouz | tarzeau: can those dumps be used for something? |
| 21:36.24 | Virtual | can anyone tell me how I can share my connection from my desktop to my laptop, I have a crossover cable and two nic's on my desktop |
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| 21:36.48 | jetx | it's hell being a minority |
| 21:37.03 | crystalremo | so 2.4 is considered the kernel of pain, but what does that say about the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 21:37.08 | jasoncohen | jim, so you use aptitude for day to day installs/upgrades? |
| 21:37.24 | jokezonu | anyone handy with crapt-get? |
| 21:37.36 | tarzeau | shingouz: can collected butterflies be used for something? |
| 21:37.40 | caphuso | crystalremo: those kernel of pain stuff is two years old. it doesn't apply anymore |
| 21:37.50 | shingouz | tarzeau: i think i see your point :) |
| 21:37.51 | tarzeau | shingouz: some people collect butterflies. i collect rom extension dumps ... |
| 21:37.51 | jetx | Virtual: something about 'bridging' iirc, dunno how but i think that's the word you might wanna be looking for |
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| 21:38.13 | jim | yes, I do.. single package upgrades to full dist upgrades... well, I'm getting into the habit of not using apt-get |
| 21:38.17 | crystalremo | so 2.4.27 is stable, is there any advantage to upgrading to a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 21:38.21 | tarzeau | shingouz: they can be grepped for funny and secret messages (using strings) |
| 21:38.23 | Seb | Virtual: is the desktop a linux box ? |
| 21:38.24 | shingouz | tarzeau: i'll check what i have here, maybe i have soemthing with a rom that you do not have |
| 21:38.30 | caphuso | crystalremo: maybe. depends on what you need |
| 21:38.36 | Seb | jetx: no, not exactly, no |
| 21:38.38 | jetx | alsa in the kernel(2.6) other than that i dunno |
| 21:38.44 | Virtual | Seb it is, Debian Sarge on it |
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| 21:38.52 | Virtual | the laptop has windows |
| 21:38.54 | jim | but also, upgrades are not presently an issue for me, because I'm pausing for awhile on sarge |
| 21:38.58 | Seb | Virtual: then look for the netfilter howto. What you basically want is called NAT |
| 21:39.06 | jokezonu | how does debbys compare to arch? which is faster? which is more manly? |
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| 21:39.16 | credativ | thx, for the hint tarzeau, but anyway, have you an idea why it doesn't work correctly in gftp? |
| 21:39.18 | Seb | Virtual: more importantly, forget what jetx said about bridging |
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| 21:39.22 | jetx | ask dallas? |
| 21:39.27 | tarzeau | shingouz: IT WORKS :) |
| 21:39.28 | jim | what's debbys? |
| 21:39.35 | tarzeau | shingouz: i am so much tEH HERO! |
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| 21:39.42 | jetx | .deb i would tink |
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| 21:39.52 | tarzeau | credativ: because gftp is a piece of crap software |
| 21:39.55 | Virtual | ok Seb thanks.. umm ... i`m new in linux networking and i`m wondering also how should I setup the LAN between the computers first |
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| 21:40.00 | jetx | Virtual: ignore anything i said |
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| 21:40.14 | credativ | hehe, could be :D |
| 21:40.15 | tarzeau | credativ: sorry if that is harsh, but i can't put it in other words |
| 21:40.15 | jetx | gftp functions well |
| 21:40.18 | bucky | !ignore jetx |
| 21:40.18 | jetx | for me |
| 21:40.35 | Seb | Virtual: you cna do that first, yeah. Use a reserved subnet for those interfaces, something in 192.168.0.0/16 for instance |
| 21:40.37 | jasoncohen | jim, hmm, i guess i just like apt-get because it's fast and gets the job done. i've done a 250 package or so upgrade with apt-get with 0 problems. Perhaps i've been lucky |
| 21:40.48 | credativ | make[1]: *** [buffer.lo] Fehler 1 |
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| 21:40.48 | credativ | make: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 |
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| 21:40.57 | shingouz | tarzeau: now if you just figured out a way how to use those dumps, i think i have a couple of old cards here without the roms and you have the files |
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| 21:41.00 | Seb | Virtual: also installing a dhcp server o nthe linux box, to hand out addresses for this reserved subnet on the LAN card would be a good idea |
| 21:41.05 | credativ | hm, what seems to be the problem? :o |
| 21:41.07 | jetx | you use aptitude just like apt-get don't you... aptitude install blahpackage |
| 21:41.12 | jetx | there's also the menu |
| 21:41.14 | bucky | jasoncohen, maybe you're smarter than the average knoppix user |
| 21:41.14 | tarzeau | shingouz: i love collecting roms, you know ;) |
| 21:41.16 | Virtual | Seb do you have a good how to ? |
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| 21:41.21 | tarzeau | shingouz: you know ndisasm ? |
| 21:41.24 | Seb | Virtual: nope, but google it up |
| 21:41.32 | usual | can apt get packages to install if they are listed in a text file? |
| 21:41.39 | Seb | Virtual: this part is easy, the NAT thing will take a little bit longer if you're new to it |
| 21:41.48 | shingouz | tarzeau: cant say i know but i think i have a pretty good feeling what you do with the roms. cracker ;) |
| 21:41.50 | ziper | whats the package to install mysql on php4-cli? |
| 21:41.52 | jasoncohen | bucky, heh, i didn't realize knoppix users are dumb. Then again, i don't know any |
| 21:41.56 | Seb | Virtual: note that debia include packages that set this up automatically for oyu, if you don't care about learning how those thigns work |
| 21:42.03 | Virtual | Seb: well i`m willing to give as much time as possible to it just to learn it |
| 21:42.06 | bucky | jasoncohen, you haven't been around here long |
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| 21:42.23 | jasoncohen | bucky, isn't it usually the ubuntu users who come here complaining? |
| 21:42.28 | Virtual | Seb: and what packages would those bE? |
| 21:42.36 | caphuso | usual: xargs apt-get install < filewithpackagenamesinit |
| 21:42.38 | jetx | jasoncohen: for an example, /join #ubuntu, you will see |
| 21:42.43 | usual | k |
| 21:42.46 | shingouz | jasoncohen: have you done a 'listkeys smite' on dpkg? |
| 21:42.49 | jim | jasoncohen: I'm not saying it doesn't work... but there might be corner cases; I've never run into problems either, and when it does break, I would simply alternate apt-get dist-upgrade and dpkg --configure --pending |
| 21:42.53 | Seb | Virtual: bastille, iirc. Not so sure though. |
| 21:42.58 | jasoncohen | aptitude and apt-get keep seperate db's, right? So, if i'm going to use aptitude i should change my cron-apt config to use aptitude, right? |
| 21:43.02 | jetx | the cluelessness i mean you will see |
| 21:43.17 | caphuso | jim: that won't help |
| 21:43.23 | Seb | hey guys, what package does debian have to automate the setup of NAT on a LAN ? |
| 21:43.30 | jasoncohen | shingouz, no i haven't |
| 21:43.35 | jim | caphuso: it already did |
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| 21:43.50 | mwilson | Seb: None. |
| 21:43.51 | jim | many times too |
| 21:44.01 | shingouz | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg listkeys smite |
| 21:44.05 | caphuso | the severe problems of apt-get generally tend to show up as "200 hundred packages, including a dozen essential ones" are going to be removed" |
| 21:44.07 | jasoncohen | already done |
| 21:44.23 | tarzeau | does someone have some number crunching software that he can run say in 5 minutes ? |
| 21:44.30 | Seb | mwilson: i'm pretty sure there are some |
| 21:44.35 | shingouz | jasoncohen: that is a surefire way to find out what our biggest peeves are. there are things like ubuntusmite , knoppixsmite etc ;) |
| 21:44.35 | jetx | wouldn't that be a dist-upgrade vs an ugrade, caphuso ? |
| 21:44.48 | caphuso | jim: yeah, but upgrade is pretty useless |
| 21:44.55 | jasoncohen | heh, ok- i'll check it out shingouz |
| 21:44.58 | caphuso | damn... jetx ^^^^ |
| 21:45.10 | caphuso | it only exists because dist-upgrade is too friggin' dangerous to be used |
| 21:45.14 | Seb | vipe: looks like guidedog would be one |
| 21:45.29 | jim | caphuso: and what I said also doesnt' work (dist-upgrade)? :) |
| 21:45.33 | Frankablu | tarzeau: Primegen? |
| 21:45.33 | rutski89 | grepper: 2.6.8 |
| 21:45.37 | rutski89 | oops |
| 21:45.47 | jasoncohen | upgrade seems pretty useless as it seems every day or so a package needs dist-upgrade to be upgraded because of a new dependency |
| 21:45.56 | tarzeau | Frankablu: could you run it twice, once with a little program run before it? and time the calculation and paste the results? |
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| 21:46.05 | jasoncohen | well, i guess that's only a problem on testing/sid |
| 21:46.07 | streuner | dpkg, congratulate jim |
| 21:46.08 | dpkg | Huzzah jim, you did it! |
| 21:46.14 | tarzeau | Frankablu: because i can't find primegen in apt-cache search... |
| 21:46.26 | jetx | <S>treuner---------------------> |
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| 21:46.32 | jasoncohen | Seb, i believe (but i might be wrong) firestarter should be able to do connection sharing & setup a NAT for you. I never did it though. |
| 21:46.54 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: echo "scale=10000; 4*a(1)" | bc -l |
| 21:47.24 | DimmuR | hi can someone tell me how to integrate Enlightenment and gnome? Now i use sawfish |
| 21:47.29 | Seb | jasoncohen: ah cool. Too bad Virtual left already :) |
| 21:47.36 | jetx | what? |
| 21:47.40 | jetx | integrate? |
| 21:47.46 | jetx | find a new word |
| 21:47.46 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: you are my hero! |
| 21:47.56 | streuner | DimmuR: uhm, you asked that question about 7-8 hrs ago ... :-) |
| 21:48.02 | Frankablu | tarzeau: Sure |
| 21:48.02 | DimmuR | jetx: my englisht isnt perfect |
| 21:48.07 | Frankablu | kuser |
| 21:48.13 | jetx | integrate isn't the word you want |
| 21:48.14 | jasoncohen | how do you "integrate" two window managers? |
| 21:48.20 | Seb | jasoncohen: gnome isn't a wm |
| 21:48.22 | jetx | but i don't understand what you do want |
| 21:48.23 | neo_ | DimmuR: ENlightenment is an alternativa to GNOME |
| 21:48.26 | jasoncohen | Seb, what is it? |
| 21:48.33 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: It's in the manpage :) Just with scale=10 |
| 21:48.34 | Seb | jasoncohen: a session manager if my terminology is correct |
| 21:48.39 | jasoncohen | oh |
| 21:48.40 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: hahaha |
| 21:48.46 | jasoncohen | Seb, what's the difference? |
| 21:48.50 | DimmuR | jasoncohen: few hours ago i asked if its possible to change sowfish to something else in gnome |
| 21:48.52 | Seb | and enlightenment is indeed gnome compatible |
| 21:48.59 | Seb | jasoncohen: well gnome doesn't manage windows |
| 21:49.03 | DimmuR | and some1 told that i can use enlightement insted of sawfish |
| 21:49.12 | streuner | DimmuR: 'play' with gnome-control-center |
| 21:49.17 | jetx | you can use metacity instead of sawfish |
| 21:49.28 | jetx | you can use enlightenment insterad of gnome |
| 21:49.32 | PeTeRB | !some1 |
| 21:49.32 | dpkg | well, some1 is IRC shorthand for "I'm a twit" |
| 21:49.33 | streuner | metacity is default for GNOME... |
| 21:49.39 | jetx | yes ^^ |
| 21:49.50 | jetx | used to be sawfish in woody though |
| 21:49.53 | jetx | iirc |
| 21:49.54 | streuner | if he using sawfish its woody or such... |
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| 21:50.09 | Seb | jetx: "you can use enlightenment insterad of gnome" doesn't make sense, since as we just noted gnome isn't a windowmanager, while E is |
| 21:50.11 | jasoncohen | Seb, thanks for the info |
| 21:50.15 | crystalremo | do i need to have portmap running? why might i need to? i don't think i provide any rpc services |
| 21:50.16 | Seb | jasoncohen: np |
| 21:50.26 | Frankablu | tarzeau: What is the little program you want me to run before it? |
| 21:50.30 | streuner | crystalremo: NFS |
| 21:50.35 | DimmuR | streuner: maybe i'm blind but i cant find where i can change it |
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| 21:50.40 | jetx | Seb: but it works in practice, so what are the words i want? |
| 21:50.44 | tarzeau | Frankablu: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/vga/ the vgaonoff.c one (needs root) |
| 21:50.47 | jim | neo_: actually yes, a window manager can be an alternative to a desktop environmnet... but also, in the case of gnome, you can pick any window manager to use with gnome |
| 21:50.57 | streuner | DimmuR: look harder and open your eyes |
| 21:51.02 | Seb | jetx: "you can avoid running gnome altogether, and run a simple windowmanager, standalone" |
| 21:51.05 | jasoncohen | crystalremo, apt-cache show portmap says "services that need RPC include NFS and NIS" |
| 21:51.22 | jim | you can use any wm you want with gnome (or without any desktop env) |
| 21:51.32 | neo_ | jim: I agree jim |
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| 21:51.46 | Virtual | Seb: so what guide do you suggest I should look up ? |
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| 21:52.18 | Seb | Virtual: someone said firestarter would do it all, GUi-style, for you |
| 21:52.20 | Virtual | Any idea why it stops here: 0% [Waiting for headers] |
| 21:52.30 | Seb | Virtual: to *learn*, use the netfilter HOWTO |
| 21:52.37 | jetx | someone said 'he thinks but isn't sure' |
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| 21:53.06 | Seb | jetx: in the meantime I checked, and it does just that |
| 21:53.10 | Virtual | Seb: any idea why apt-get stops there : 0% [Waiting for headers] |
| 21:53.10 | Virtual | ? |
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| 21:53.13 | jetx | cool |
| 21:53.18 | Seb | jetx: Ctrl-C, and redo it |
| 21:53.30 | jetx | ? |
| 21:53.39 | Seb | jetx: netwrok congestion maybe. It does that to me sometimes |
| 21:53.44 | Seb | Virtual: this was meant for you, not jetx |
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| 21:54.11 | jasoncohen | Seb, http://www.fs-security.com/docs/connection-sharing.php |
| 21:54.15 | Seb | apt-get does that to me sometimes too. Pisses me off mightily. Can't understand why. |
| 21:54.19 | Seb | jasoncohen: tell Virutal :) |
| 21:54.22 | Seb | Virtual even |
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| 21:54.39 | jetx | sorsis_: anybody know of a way to recover data that was OVERWRITTEN by other data, on a floppy? |
| 21:54.53 | jetx | i typed so, not sorsis, sorry |
| 21:54.58 | Pryon | atomic force microscopy |
| 21:55.09 | streuner | hehe |
| 21:55.13 | jetx | that sounds complicated |
| 21:55.17 | Pryon | and expensive |
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| 21:55.29 | jetx | note: it's not my data, not my floppy, and i didn't do it. |
| 21:55.42 | jasoncohen | Virtual, http://www.fs-security.com/docs/connection-sharing.php |
| 21:55.47 | Gathond | anybody happen to have a libapache2-mod-perl2_1.999-22-1 deb packace laying around? |
| 21:55.47 | ColonelKernel | spellcheck doesnt seem to be working in gaim |
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| 21:56.06 | Virtual | jasoncohen: thanks, i`ll check it out |
| 21:56.10 | jasoncohen | Virtual, read the howto and run the firestarter wizard |
| 21:56.22 | Virtual | jasoncohen: that will setup also the lan for me? |
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| 21:56.29 | jasoncohen | ColonelKernel, that happened to me in mdk. you're missing a package |
| 21:56.30 | jim | Gathond: there is supposed to be a build system... maybe you can build the package yourself using that build system |
| 21:57.17 | jasoncohen | Virtual, read the instructions- you'll need two ethernet cards one for the external IP and the other for the internal IP. it'll setup NAT for you |
| 21:57.36 | Virtual | I have that |
| 21:57.37 | Gathond | jim: my main problem is that -23 is in sid, and have been for 30+ days, but it is severely broken, If i could find the source package for the -22 version that would be great as well |
| 21:57.45 | Virtual | ok I will read |
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| 21:58.05 | ColonelKernel | jasoncohen, what package? |
| 21:58.09 | ^Willie^ | hello all |
| 21:58.17 | jasoncohen | ColonelKernel, checking currently- please be patient |
| 21:58.25 | jim | Gathond: contact the maintainer, or check to see if it's in a cvs or svn tree |
| 21:58.39 | ColonelKernel | jasoncohen, sorry |
| 21:58.41 | ^Willie^ | someone that have installed debian on an sun cobalt raq3 ??? |
| 21:58.43 | Gathond | jim: that might be a way, thanks |
| 21:58.47 | jasoncohen | ColonelKernel, apt-get install aspell aspell-en |
| 21:58.49 | jasoncohen | that should do it |
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| 21:59.10 | ColonelKernel | bevakasha |
| 21:59.34 | klaxian | hey guys - anyone use gnome-pilot? |
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| 22:00.12 | ColonelKernel | thats thanks for all you gentiles |
| 22:00.15 | jasoncohen | ColonelKernel, and you should already have libaspell15 and libgtkspell0 |
| 22:00.23 | neo_ | I use it |
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| 22:00.31 | ^Willie^ | someone that have installed debian on an sun cobalt raq3 ??? |
| 22:00.35 | neo_ | Klaxian: I use it |
| 22:00.44 | jasoncohen | ColonelKernel, so, it worked? |
| 22:00.57 | tarzeau | i wonder what happened to Frankablu |
| 22:01.06 | omie | if i intentionally dpkg -i --force-all some packages that depend on a different libc6 (but still work), how do i tell apt-get to shutup and accept it? |
| 22:01.13 | tarzeau | ^Willie^: probably. your nickname sucks |
| 22:01.15 | omie | every time i try to use apt, it wants me to remove them |
| 22:01.28 | ^Willie^ | why |
| 22:01.29 | ColonelKernel | jasoncohen, yes - thank you a lot |
| 22:01.34 | klaxian | neo_: when i drag files onto the applet, it takes uses the whole CPU (100%) |
| 22:01.51 | ^Willie^ | not my problem i just ask for some information |
| 22:01.51 | klaxian | neo_: when i kill it and restart, my file does get installed on the next hotsync - any ideas? |
| 22:02.03 | neo_ | It not happen to me |
| 22:02.12 | ^Willie^ | as normal here in #debian a lot ppl en no one knows |
| 22:02.13 | hiaslboy2 | omie: package them new with other dependencies ... |
| 22:02.19 | klaxian | neo_: hmm do you have multisync installed too? |
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| 22:02.36 | tarzeau | apt nickometer ^Willie^ |
| 22:02.38 | omie | hiaslboy2: that's my only choice? |
| 22:02.50 | jasoncohen | ColonelKernel, this is where aptitude would have come in handy |
| 22:02.52 | tarzeau | ^Willie^: i think it's the ^ and ^ |
| 22:02.53 | omie | hiaslboy2: there's no kluge? |
| 22:03.02 | jim | omie: that's -so- unrecommended... there are two better approaches: one, you can get the source packages and build them on your system, and two, you can look for backports |
| 22:03.11 | neo_ | klaxian: using gnome-pilot I can't send files to my handheld |
| 22:03.23 | ^Willie^ | i don't come for silly bot scripts tarzeau |
| 22:03.27 | buu | apt nickometer tarzeau |
| 22:03.30 | klaxian | neo_: oh, you should be able to drop them onto the applet icon :) |
| 22:03.34 | buu | Tricksy. |
| 22:03.36 | jasoncohen | ColonelKernel, libaspell15 has aspell-en as a recommend. if you installed with aptitude install -r gaim it would have taken that down for you |
| 22:03.38 | tarzeau | ^Willie^: it's a pain to type your nickname, that's why |
| 22:03.38 | omie | jim: alright. but really the only difference is one depends on "ubuntublah" |
| 22:03.44 | neo_ | Klaxian: I have multisync installed |
| 22:03.46 | ^Willie^ | just type willie then |
| 22:03.48 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Frankablu probably still is crunching numbers for you |
| 22:03.54 | omie | jim: the version numbers are even very close |
| 22:03.57 | ^Willie^ | nicknames is no reason for ignoring ppl like 80% in here do |
| 22:03.58 | jim | if you build the packages, the libs that exist on your system will automatically be included in the dep of the package |
| 22:04.00 | tarzeau | ^Willie^: that can't be tab completed easily |
| 22:04.09 | klaxian | neo_: ok |
| 22:04.16 | ^Willie^ | type shift+6 and pres tab |
| 22:04.18 | omie | jim: yeh i know. i just thought there might be a 'kluge' to make it work |
| 22:04.21 | jim | omie: you're trying to install ubuntu on debian? |
| 22:04.26 | neo_ | Klaxian: wait me a moment I try to drag files to gnome pilot |
| 22:04.34 | omie | jim: until i have time. no, actually an emacs package. |
| 22:04.36 | jasoncohen | ColonelKernel, often non-essential features are added in the form of recommends or suggests. apt-cache show will list both. I also recommend installing synaptic which will allow you to easily see the recommends/suggests for each package and install all recommends by default |
| 22:04.40 | tarzeau | ^Willie^: i have a swiss german keyboard layout so i only get & when i press shift+6 |
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| 22:05.00 | jim | omie: you shouldn't kludge in this area... you'll just end up screwing yourself multiple times and in multiple ways |
| 22:05.07 | jasoncohen | ColonelKernel, aptitude supports recommends with the -r or --with-recommends option. apt-get doesn't |
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| 22:05.13 | zinosat | which copyright notice should I use on my bash scripts (which I'd like to inculde in a deb)?? |
| 22:05.14 | omie | jim: well, as fun as that sounds... |
| 22:05.24 | diesel | Can I use bind for our internal network to point to an external ip address...perhaps an alias? |
| 22:05.25 | ^Willie^ | language keyboards sucks |
| 22:05.26 | jim | exactly. |
| 22:05.31 | ^Willie^ | same like dutch keyboard |
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| 22:05.33 | tarzeau | ^Willie^: typing ^ is press a key, release the key, press another key ... A PAIN |
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| 22:05.42 | omie | jim: i guess i'll take your advice and use equivs or something to build emacs-cvs. |
| 22:05.43 | tarzeau | ^Willie^: and i say your nickname sucks |
| 22:05.45 | ^Willie^ | us keyboards are default :p |
| 22:05.53 | ^Willie^ | ever used BlueQuartz ?? |
| 22:05.56 | tarzeau | ^Willie^: apple doesn't ship us keyboards to europe |
| 22:06.00 | omie | jim: thanks |
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| 22:06.20 | ^Willie^ | sun cobalt servers are shipped without any keyboard |
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| 22:06.23 | ^Willie^ | :p |
| 22:06.26 | jim | I hope the result will be what you want. |
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| 22:07.31 | shingouz | ^Willie^: yet another one with the c00l leading caret. a real pain in the ass to type |
| 22:08.05 | ^Willie^ | just type without ^^ |
| 22:08.16 | jim | or double click and paste |
| 22:08.23 | tarzeau | Willie |
| 22:08.28 | caphuso | do you know what's more annoying than a ^nick^? |
| 22:08.30 | ^Willie^ | only wana know if someone have a cobalt server and can give advice |
| 22:08.33 | tarzeau | jim: my mouse is broken? |
| 22:08.35 | shingouz | better yet, don't type at all |
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| 22:08.42 | jim | ^Willie^ |
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| 22:08.58 | neo_ | Klaxian: is true, I drag a file onto gnome-pilot and 100% CPU time is busy |
| 22:08.59 | caphuso | wasting 5 minutes to fucking talk about it, when it's clear that it won't lead anywhere |
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| 22:09.10 | jim | tarzeau: my client is setting up the double click to pick up the entire nick |
| 22:09.26 | caphuso | so, just stop |
| 22:09.34 | ^Willie^ | yes jim ? |
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| 22:09.51 | jim | ^Willie^: sorry, just a test of mouse/paste |
| 22:10.01 | paulswm | !sedate caphuso |
| 22:10.05 | neo_ | Klaxian: I have installed j-pilot too, it work ok |
| 22:10.09 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 22:10.11 | ^Willie^ | why need a mouse to type :p |
| 22:10.12 | Avantopia | I am using Sarge and Totem and Mplayer do not play video on my laptop but they do on my desktop... I can't figure out what the problem is since the errors are not informative, does anyone else have a problem playing dvd's with these apps in Sarge? what is the fix? |
| 22:10.26 | caphuso | sometimes i'm really temped to +q dpkg etc. |
| 22:10.33 | aeronadix | ! lyx |
| 22:10.46 | dpkg | well, lyx is a high-level word processer that uses LaTeX as its backend, or at http://www.lyx.org, or ask me about lyx trick |
| 22:10.46 | tarzeau | caphuso: go ahead |
| 22:10.46 | pngwn | caphuso++ |
| 22:10.49 | aeronadix | ! lyx trick |
| 22:10.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lyx trick is at http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/ |
| 22:10.55 | paulswm | caphuso: sorry :( |
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| 22:11.24 | Pingu12- | 600 active downloads (apache2) cpu: 80%idle, load avg: 0,6, interface: 1gbit total bandwith used: 36mbit ... Download speed 30kb/s - why ? Why is my box that slow when LA and cpu idle say it has nothing to do ? |
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| 22:13.03 | CasaNova | I am on Debian (testing) running Gnome desktop. I have a DVD-Writer (hdc) and DVDplayer (hdd) - I can't seem to get cdplay to recognize a music cd in either? What am I missing? |
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| 22:13.19 | CasaNova | (The front of each device does list (CD-ROM) |
| 22:13.53 | caphuso | CasaNova: missing read/write access to /dev/hd{c,d}? |
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| 22:14.05 | CasaNova | caphuso - I never thought of access. I guesss the audio group would need access to both devices. |
| 22:14.05 | usual | what was the command to apt-get a list of packages from a text file again? |
| 22:14.08 | CasaNova | Let me check... |
| 22:14.21 | tarzeau | usual: apt-get install `cat textfile` |
| 22:14.30 | usual | k |
| 22:14.33 | jim | usual: what does the text file contain? package names? |
| 22:14.51 | caphuso | "chgrp cdrom /dev/hd[cd]" or something like that. use a group your member of |
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| 22:15.10 | usual | jim, yes |
| 22:15.15 | CasaNova | caphuso: /dev/hdc and hdd are 666 ! |
| 22:15.15 | jim | usual: if so, that's just part of bash (info bash for that and other things you can do) |
| 22:15.26 | usual | k |
| 22:15.28 | CasaNova | and they both have grp cdrom |
| 22:15.38 | tarzeau | usual: you might need to wrap it into a $(echo ) |
| 22:15.44 | Avantopia | does anyone here have issues using Mplayer or Totem with Sarge? |
| 22:15.45 | usual | k |
| 22:15.50 | Avantopia | I can't playback dvds |
| 22:15.51 | caphuso | CasaNova: any error messages? |
| 22:15.55 | usual | tarzeau, jim, someone mentioned zargs |
| 22:15.58 | usual | xargs |
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| 22:16.22 | jim | usualL sure, you could use that too, but that's a less direct approach |
| 22:16.30 | CasaNova | caphuso : gnome -cd says disk error, and cdplay says no disk |
| 22:16.31 | usual | k |
| 22:17.04 | caphuso | CasaNova: have you considered the possibility that there's no disk or a severely broken one in it? |
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| 22:17.23 | cocozz | Hi , how can I install mp3 codecs on debian |
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| 22:17.31 | CasaNova | caphuso: Brand new cd and just played in on stereo, plays fine... |
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| 22:17.49 | caphuso | CasaNova: mabye some copy protection crap |
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| 22:18.14 | CasaNova | This is my first linux pc with dvd players - so thought I might be missing something |
| 22:18.22 | sphinx | Hi, by default my system debian goes with passwd without shadow, i type dpkg-reconfigure passwd and enable shadow.. doens't works ... what must I do to this works as well ? |
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| 22:18.38 | caphuso | sphinx: try shadowconfig |
| 22:18.47 | lewis | I am trying to set up a secondary MX server. I am using a test domain, with just one MX record, pointing to the test server. When I send an e-mail from the seconday mail server to the test domain, it obviously goes in a vicious loop, as it is told to relay for that domain, and be the only mail server for the domain too. What will happen if I add a primary mailserver, and if it goes down, will there be vicious loops again? |
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| 22:19.10 | sphinx | caphuso, what is the syntax to shadownconfig ? |
| 22:19.15 | jim | usual: as far as xargs goes, you can look at how to use xargs using info xargs... it's a tool that was built around find, but can also be used without it... but my point here is find is also interesting; info find to see just how much |
| 22:19.17 | caphuso | sphinx: man shadowconfig |
| 22:19.20 | jetx | CasaNova: ls /dev/dvd |
| 22:19.27 | usual | k |
| 22:19.35 | sphinx | caphuso, no manual at this moment :( |
| 22:19.35 | CasaNova | Do dvd players require the cable to connect direct to soundcard to play CD's? |
| 22:19.55 | caphuso | sphinx: then run "shadowconfig" |
| 22:20.01 | jim | usual: this is all core unix stuff, and it's naturally useful if you run linux |
| 22:20.08 | caphuso | CasaNova: depends on the application you use to play |
| 22:20.09 | usual | :) |
| 22:20.15 | CasaNova | jetx: /dev/dvd -> /hdc |
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| 22:20.30 | usual | jim I'm familiar with cat but I wasnt sure how it would play with apt-get |
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| 22:20.42 | tarzeau | tac > cat |
| 22:20.55 | tarzeau | two tacs make up one cat |
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| 22:21.25 | jim | usual: what does cat do exactly? |
| 22:21.26 | CasaNova | caphuso: What app would you recommend to play CDs from DVDplayer with no cable? |
| 22:21.34 | caphuso | CasaNova: don't know |
| 22:21.42 | CasaNova | jetx: does that tell you anything? |
| 22:21.43 | caphuso | xmms can do it, with some plugin, IIRC |
| 22:21.47 | usual | jim, from my understanding outputs whatever you use it on |
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| 22:21.57 | cocozz | Hi , how can I install mp3/avi.... codecs on debian |
| 22:22.00 | jetx | CasaNova: seems to be correct |
| 22:22.02 | jim | outputs to what exactly? |
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| 22:22.16 | jim | brb, 5 mins or so |
| 22:22.16 | jetx | !tell cocozz about marillat |
| 22:22.19 | usual | the screen unless you pipeit through somehting |
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| 22:22.41 | jetx | CasaNova: here i usually need the wire connected to the sound card |
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| 22:22.49 | jetx | from the reader |
| 22:23.09 | CasaNova | I recall you don't mount cdroms(music) but just point th player to the /dev/ (hdc or hdd in this case) |
| 22:23.11 | jetx | and CasaNova do you have libdvdcss2 |
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| 22:23.25 | CasaNova | but both say no disk. I'll try an old disk to see if it copy prot or the like.... |
| 22:23.34 | jetx | that's for watching dvd's though |
| 22:23.41 | CasaNova | jetx: Yes but no problems with dvd playing... |
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| 22:23.47 | thorie | can someone echo their MANPATH? i screwed mine up |
| 22:23.58 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.59 | jasoncohen | debian has libaspell15 and libgtkspell0 as dependencies but aspell-en which is needed for spellchecking is neither a recommended or a suggested package. What are the purpose of the these to library packages then, if spellcheck isn't being used? |
| 22:24.08 | jasoncohen | *two |
| 22:24.22 | jetx | CasaNova: how about ls -lA /media |
| 22:24.24 | CasaNova | jetx: I'll try to find a cable but when I forgot cable in past it played I just couldnt hear it, now I get disk error.... |
| 22:24.30 | jetx | CasaNova: how about ls -lA /media/cdr* |
| 22:24.35 | CasaNova | jetx: Ok one sec |
| 22:24.40 | empty | jasoncohen, Why would chinese people want the -en package? |
| 22:25.10 | jasoncohen | empty, well then the aspell virtual package |
| 22:25.11 | CasaNova | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2005-04-19 19:23 cdrom -> cdrom0 |
| 22:25.18 | empty | jasoncohen, though I do see your point on suggest/reccomend |
| 22:25.20 | CasaNova | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 2005-04-19 19:23 cdrom0 |
| 22:25.32 | CasaNova | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 2005-04-19 19:23 cdrom1 |
| 22:25.37 | CasaNova | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2005-04-19 19:23 floppy -> floppy0 |
| 22:25.39 | BlueShift | hello. does anybody have any idea why alsa doesn't work on 2.4 but works on 2.6? thanks |
| 22:25.42 | CasaNova | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 2005-04-19 19:23 floppy0 |
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| 22:25.49 | CasaNova | jetx that's all.... |
| 22:25.53 | FieldySnuts | alsa is built into the kernel in 2.6, not in 2.4 |
| 22:25.54 | jdhutchin1 | BlueShift, is it compiled into your 2.4 kernel? |
| 22:25.57 | jasoncohen | nevermind, aspell installs aspell-en |
| 22:25.57 | jim | usual: what if I didn't have a screen? what if I'm on a printing terminal? what does cat output to then? |
| 22:26.10 | FieldySnuts | the printer |
| 22:26.14 | empty | jim, STDOUT |
| 22:26.16 | usual | jim, whereever you tell it to I guess |
| 22:26.18 | usual | haha |
| 22:26.37 | BlueShift | jdhutchin1: i installed alsa-modules, alsa-base, and alsa-utils for 2.4 and stock kernel for 2.6. all of them are modules. |
| 22:26.38 | FieldySnuts | it's how file editing was done long ago, with ed, one line at a time, on a line printer |
| 22:26.47 | jetx | CasaNova: and ls -lA /dev/cdrom ? |
| 22:26.49 | jim | usual: but if I'm on a printing terminal and I don't tell it anything (not redirect, not pipe) |
| 22:26.54 | empty | FieldySnuts, ...uphill both ways barefoot in the snow |
| 22:26.57 | CasaNova | jetx: sorry I posted floppy too,,, |
| 22:27.01 | FieldySnuts | jim: the printer |
| 22:27.15 | usual | jim, dunno |
| 22:27.20 | CasaNova | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2005-06-19 15:22 /dev/cdrom -> hdc |
| 22:27.30 | jim | usual: FieldySnuts has it |
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| 22:27.35 | usual | hehe |
| 22:27.41 | usual | jerordy? |
| 22:27.44 | jetx | it's an audio cd you trying to play, correct? you probably only need the cable |
| 22:27.53 | jim | but wait, isn't that just the same? |
| 22:28.17 | BlueShift | jdhutchin1: for 2.4, it works after i run alsaconf and then quits on me after i reboot. must be a problem with the way the modules are loaded. i checked and modules are already in the discover and hotplug blacklists. hmmm... i'll check those again just to be safe. might be the OSS drivers that are blacklisted. |
| 22:28.21 | CasaNova | jetx: Yeah audio cd but I get error or drive erro or NODISK when I try to play it. It's as if it can't be seen, even when I try to rip to mp3 |
| 22:28.41 | jim | I've got a monitor, my xterm is there, I type cat whatever and it goes to my terminal which is on the screen... |
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| 22:29.10 | jetx | CasaNova: what happens if you try to mount it |
| 22:29.10 | BlueShift | oh, and the emu10k1 OSS modules in 2.4 doesn't want to load too. |
| 22:29.15 | jim | or I'm in console (no x at all) and I use cat there, and it goes to the screen... |
| 22:29.27 | FieldySnuts | !start a kernel war |
| 22:29.27 | dpkg | 2.6 is unstable and will break your system and impregnate your cat! |
| 22:29.52 | jetx | CasaNova: this is just the one audio cd, or all audio cd's |
| 22:30.05 | CasaNova | jetx: 'you must specify the filesystem' ( I have auto in fstab next to /dev/hdc media/cdrom0 |
| 22:30.19 | CasaNova | jetx: trying another - one sec.... |
| 22:30.23 | jim | or I have a real actual teletype or something connected with a serial cable to my linux box, and I'm logged in from the terminal, I use cat, and it prints it onto the paper |
| 22:30.24 | FieldySnuts | you can't mount audio cds period |
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| 22:30.37 | jetx | it was worth a try though |
| 22:30.42 | jim | usual: all these things are really the same thing |
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| 22:30.52 | jim | and there's a name for it too |
| 22:31.19 | FieldySnuts | stdio.h |
| 22:31.21 | CasaNova | Something is controlling my cdburner but I dont knwo what- I try to 'eject cdrom' and it pops out but immediately pops in ... I tried fuser/dev/hdc |
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| 22:31.26 | jetx | and is this audio cd an original store bought, or a copy |
| 22:31.49 | CasaNova | jetx: Oh original cd store bought |
| 22:31.50 | jetx | what does eject -r do for you |
| 22:31.56 | jim | usual: if you don't redirect or pipe the output of cat, it outputs to the default, which is something called "standard output" |
| 22:32.20 | CasaNova | jetx - same thing, dvdburner rolls out and right back in... |
| 22:32.24 | usual | jim, ok :) |
| 22:32.24 | jetx | is this a 2.4 kernel? |
| 22:32.31 | CasaNova | jetx - no 2.6 |
| 22:32.35 | CasaNova | debian stock |
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| 22:32.38 | jetx | you have both a dvd burner and a cdburner? |
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| 22:33.00 | CasaNova | jetx ; no dvdburner on hdc dvd player on hdd. |
| 22:33.08 | CasaNova | both work with dvds |
| 22:33.08 | jim | when you use an xterm or log in from console or log in from a serial terminal (printing or not), the system connects the standard output to however your terminal displays. |
| 22:33.16 | Esaj | how do I extract the first frame of a video? |
| 22:33.21 | lewis | I am trying to test a backup mail server configuration, with a 'crashed primary mail server', and a test domain. I am getting loopbacks, as when exim4 on the secondary mail server looks up the test domain, it gets itself (as the primary mail server is down). How can I prevent this (perhaps set a wait-time)? |
| 22:33.21 | usual | i see |
| 22:33.29 | lewis | help is greatly appreciated. |
| 22:33.32 | crystalremo | what is the best way to prevent exim from running at startup? im installing qmail, but debian will have a fit if i try to uninstall exim without installing some other package in its place |
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| 22:33.52 | jim | when you pipe the output of cat to another command (say, tac)... |
| 22:34.01 | jetx | CasaNova: what are you trying to play the audio cd with, which program? |
| 22:34.10 | caphuso | crystalremo: use equivs to build a dummy MTA package and replace exim with it. or install qmail with the qmail-src package |
| 22:34.12 | CasaNova | crystalremo- that is walked through at linuks.min.nu/debian-faq |
| 22:34.18 | jim | what you are doing is CONNECTING the standard output of cat to the standard -input- of tac |
| 22:34.27 | CasaNova | jetx: both cdplay at cmd line and gnome-cd |
| 22:34.32 | jetx | but, i don't know why it would open AND close, CasaNova |
| 22:34.36 | jim | therefore what flows out of cat is received by tac |
| 22:34.47 | usual | i still can't get this damn text file to work with apt |
| 22:35.01 | jim | do you understand that much? |
| 22:35.05 | CasaNova | jetx: yeah I get teh impression something is accessing it - burner software or the like |
| 22:35.05 | jetx | CasaNova: as far as i can tell, your stuff is set up properly |
| 22:35.05 | empty | jim, my dog likes what flows out of cat :( |
| 22:35.07 | usual | yes |
| 22:35.17 | FieldySnuts | !u |
| 22:35.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 22:35.27 | jetx | tell that to u-haul |
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| 22:35.34 | giupy_ | what do i need for libGL.so ? |
| 22:35.44 | jim | Damnit FieldySnuts! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:35.50 | jetx | openGL? |
| 22:35.50 | ColonelKernel | what is the contrib branch and how do I add it to my sources.list |
| 22:36.01 | jetx | you just add the word contrib after main |
| 22:36.07 | CasaNova | jetx; I have never used DVD in linux so I thougt maybe you couldnt play CD music in DVD player |
| 22:36.10 | empty | wish I coult apt-get --purge remove dog, but the wife metapackage depends on it and I like certain packages that come with wife |
| 22:36.12 | CasaNova | stupid I know.... |
| 22:36.12 | jetx | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:36.21 | jetx | yes you can play cds on dvd players |
| 22:36.33 | jetx | here i'll test |
| 22:36.45 | jim | usual: all processes have a standard input and a standard output, and also a standard error |
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| 22:37.08 | Supaplex | does kernel-package build 2.6 kernel "image" targets ok? I ran make-kpkg -uc -us binary, and I only have debs for source and doc. |
| 22:37.14 | catseyestudio | greyson: Hey! |
| 22:37.16 | usual | i understand |
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| 22:37.20 | christor | Hello |
| 22:37.25 | christor | Hello |
| 22:37.29 | greyson | catseyestudio: Uh... yeah? |
| 22:37.35 | jim | so when you run a command, the system connects the standard input, output and error as directed |
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| 22:37.47 | asker | hi |
| 22:37.50 | christor | I Have a problem APCI on my computer : localhost kernel: APIC error on CPU0: 00(40) , localhost kernel: APIC error on CPU0: 40(08) |
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| 22:37.57 | christor | someone can say mme what is the prob? |
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| 22:38.01 | asker | how can i remove a dpkg without and dependencies problem ? |
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| 22:38.11 | jetx | hey CasaNova i don't know if you need the w32codecs or not |
| 22:38.13 | Supaplex | christor: just be a apci/apic error problem. |
| 22:38.14 | FieldySnuts | !irritate 81.0.0.0/24 |
| 22:38.15 | dpkg | 81.0.0.0/24: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 22:38.17 | Supaplex | just/must |
| 22:38.17 | asker | ?? |
| 22:38.19 | CasaNova | jetx: drat drat - I tried an old stevie wonder cd - played jsut fine. This brand new double sided Shakira CD won't play though. Must be some copywrite protect feature! |
| 22:38.27 | jetx | no idea |
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| 22:38.36 | mihaly | does anyone know where I can get specifikations for the IRC protocol? |
| 22:38.41 | jim | usually, it connects standard input to the keyboard and standard output and error to the screen |
| 22:38.43 | jetx | might be a format problem, |
| 22:38.45 | FieldySnuts | irc rfc (google it) |
| 22:38.51 | PeTeRB | mihaly: The IRC RFC |
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| 22:38.54 | jaxxan | hey ya'll |
| 22:39.00 | asker | heyyy |
| 22:39.04 | usual | jim, how would I do this again. |
| 22:39.07 | mihaly | whats rfc short for? |
| 22:39.08 | christor | Supaplex: yes but when I have this error I lost the network |
| 22:39.10 | jaxxan | if the kernel panics in woody, what log would it show up in ? |
| 22:39.12 | crystalremo | sorry this is a really stupid question, but what do i add for non-free sources to /etc/apt/sources.list? apt-setup used to automatically add them, but it doesn't for some reason now |
| 22:39.13 | jetx | CasaNova: maybe you need some codecs |
| 22:39.13 | FieldySnuts | request for comments |
| 22:39.15 | asker | how can i remove a package without any problem ? |
| 22:39.24 | crystalremo | apt-get remove packagename |
| 22:39.26 | FieldySnuts | asker: can you be less vague? |
| 22:39.33 | CasaNova | jetx: the CD is a music cd (plays on old stereo just fine) the other side is dvd |
| 22:39.38 | bucky | asker, dpkg -i |
| 22:39.42 | asker | FieldySnuts it's important |
| 22:39.44 | bucky | asker, dpkg -r |
| 22:39.48 | bucky | man dpkg |
| 22:39.50 | asker | bucky -r don't remove |
| 22:39.51 | FieldySnuts | then give us details. |
| 22:39.54 | jetx | maybe it's upside down :) (no idea) |
| 22:40.00 | crystalremo | apt-get remove packagename |
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| 22:40.05 | crystalremo | sorry this is a really stupid question, but what do i add for non-free sources to /etc/apt/sources.list? apt-setup used to automatically add them, but it doesn't for some reason now |
| 22:40.11 | asker | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.23 | CasaNova | jetx: Yeah I tried that too :-) dumb special no ripping cds ! |
| 22:40.25 | caphuso | crystalremo: man 5 sources.list |
| 22:40.31 | asker | i want to remove it without any dependency problem |
| 22:40.33 | jim | usual: there's a thing called "command substitution" in most shells, and it's very useful... what it does is take whatever comes out the standard output of any process/command and substitute it as parameters |
| 22:40.38 | jasoncohen | crystalremo, just add non-free to the end of your official deb lines |
| 22:40.47 | jetx | crystalremo: if sarge i hear tell there is no non-free |
| 22:40.48 | jim | usual: for example... |
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| 22:40.51 | asker | ? |
| 22:40.51 | usual | jim, what would be a way to make this work |
| 22:40.52 | crappledev | is there a way to have gaim notify your tty(s) when a messgae is received? |
| 22:40.53 | caphuso | jetx: nonsense |
| 22:40.58 | ColonelKernel | E: Package sun-j2sdk1.5 has no installation candidate <-- please help |
| 22:41.06 | jasoncohen | crystalremo, i.e deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
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| 22:41.09 | jim | foo `echo 1 2 3` |
| 22:41.09 | jetx | ColonelKernel: it's in non-free |
| 22:41.11 | jasoncohen | and the same for security |
| 22:41.13 | CasaNova | jetx: non-us |
| 22:41.17 | jetx | oh sorry |
| 22:41.26 | jim | is the same as foo "1 2 3" |
| 22:41.27 | jaxxan | if a kernel panics does it even create a log entry ? |
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| 22:41.49 | asker | offffffffff |
| 22:42.23 | FieldySnuts | audio from audio cd's is passed in two different ways from your drive. digital is if the drive is capable of it (most are), it's passed to the programs via the data cable. analog, the player decodes it to analog, and passes it along a seperate cable, directly to your sound card. you might have to configure your app appropriately, or install a cable, or set mixer values etc |
| 22:42.32 | jasoncohen | ColonelKernel, what are you trying to do- install java's sdk? you need to use make-jpkg and download the sdk from java's site |
| 22:42.51 | jim | err, correction... |
| 22:42.59 | jim | foo `echo 1 2 3` |
| 22:43.07 | asker | can you help me please ?? |
| 22:43.07 | jim | is the same as foo 1 2 3 |
| 22:43.14 | FieldySnuts | !irritate asker |
| 22:43.15 | dpkg | asker: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 22:43.17 | asker | it's very important please......... |
| 22:43.27 | CasaNova | FieldySnuts: I got the dvdburner to play an older CD. /dev/hdd must need a cable becasue it wont play noise... |
| 22:43.34 | ColonelKernel | jasoncohen, -su: make-jpkg: command not found |
| 22:43.41 | jasoncohen | ColonelKernel, apt-get install java-package , then run make-jpkg sun-j2sdk...bin |
| 22:43.50 | CasaNova | FieldySnuts: However I cant play a brand new 2 sided cd from shakira. wont play at all... |
| 22:43.58 | caphuso | jim: not quite. foo `echo 1\ 2 3\ 4` isn't the same as foo 1\ 2 3\ 4 |
| 22:44.29 | jim | caphuso: so it will be seen as 4 args? |
| 22:44.33 | caphuso | jim: yeah |
| 22:44.44 | caphuso | the subshell is eating one level of quoting |
| 22:44.46 | tcsetattr | backslashes inside `cmd` follow some insane rules... better to use $() |
| 22:44.56 | FieldySnuts | CasaNova: no idea. some manufacturers make discs that cannot be played in computers. |
| 22:44.58 | caphuso | tcsetattr: they do? |
| 22:45.00 | jim | ok, gotcha... probably don't need to deal with that now |
| 22:45.27 | CasaNova | FieldySnuts: Never heard of that before... but I am seeing it now - very odd. |
| 22:45.36 | tcsetattr | yeah, because `somecmd \`someothercmd\`` is nesting them... which is far more readable as $(somecmd $(othercmd)) |
| 22:45.57 | caphuso | tcsetattr: that's not insane |
| 22:46.01 | jim | usual: so if I were to put emacs21 barfly somepackage in a file we'll call foo... |
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| 22:46.05 | caphuso | it works as expected |
| 22:46.11 | CasaNova | Also hwo do I tell what is trying to acces my /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd. Every time I open the drives or use eject cdrom or eject cdrom1 they close immediately |
| 22:46.16 | usual | ok |
| 22:46.19 | FieldySnuts | CasaNova: I don't know if that's what's going on, but if it is, check the entire packaging and disc for the official CD symbol. if it has it, and that disc is what I mentioned, then the company isn't supposed to be using that trademark, as it voilates the red (or was it orange) book standard |
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| 22:46.31 | tcsetattr | sanity is subjective then :) |
| 22:46.31 | jim | I can cat foo and get the content |
| 22:46.38 | FieldySnuts | CasaNova: and i'd demand full refund at the store. since that's pretty much false advertisng. |
| 22:46.39 | usual | yes |
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| 22:46.47 | jim | and I can do things like echo `cat foo` |
| 22:46.59 | usual | ok |
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| 22:47.22 | error403 | i was wondering - is there a such thing as a livecd or install app for debian that has ssh, so you can install on a headless box? |
| 22:47.27 | CasaNova | FieldySnuts: Yeah I'll google for Shakira cd Fijacion oral |
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| 22:47.45 | jasoncohen | ColonelKernel, java packages aren't included by debian because of java's sun's restrictive licensing but you should be able to easily create a .deb with make-jpkg. then just install with dpkg -i |
| 22:48.04 | jim | and the emacs21 barfly somepackage will be echoed exactly as if you typed echo emacs21 barfly somepackage |
| 22:48.28 | usual | yes |
| 22:48.41 | jim | so finally, if you type apt-get install `cat foo` |
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| 22:48.54 | jim | that is exactly like typing apt-get install emacs21 barfly somepackage |
| 22:48.55 | usual | doesn't work |
| 22:49.06 | jim | why? |
| 22:49.10 | usual | you tell me |
| 22:49.11 | usual | lol |
| 22:49.16 | jim | no idea. |
| 22:49.21 | caphuso | !tell usual -about doesn't work |
| 22:49.24 | SiMatrix | I am trying to get DHCP3 to work with Webmin. Any pointers to get it working would be helpful. |
| 22:49.30 | CasaNova | FieldySnuts: Yes I just retried, put in older music cd- plays fine from dvdburner (with no cable) put in brand new shakira cd and can not play - states "nodisk" |
| 22:49.38 | zinx | SiMatrix: you shouldn't have said the W word |
| 22:49.42 | jim | how would I know? I'm not there watching you type and seeing what you see as a result |
| 22:49.50 | SiMatrix | zinx - Why not? |
| 22:50.01 | zinx | SiMatrix: it's not liked here :) |
| 22:50.09 | SiMatrix | zinx - It isn't? |
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| 22:50.17 | usual | unless it's a tpo |
| 22:50.18 | FieldySnuts | CasaNova: sounds like what i mentioned, then. lame. |
| 22:50.20 | usual | hold on |
| 22:50.33 | SiMatrix | zinx - it there a reason? |
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| 22:50.53 | CasaNova | FieldySnuts: I don;t get it though, as far as the cd "knows" it's in a cdplayer - hwo does it matter if it a Stereo or PC? |
| 22:50.59 | CasaNova | Hmm google in my future... |
| 22:51.03 | jim | usual: when I ask why it doesn't work, what information am I asking for? and where might you get it? |
| 22:51.18 | beardy | error403: Not an answer to your question, but it's possible to install (I think, I haven't tried it) using a serial console (null modem from your serialport to another box, using for example minicom) |
| 22:51.36 | usual | hold on |
| 22:51.47 | CasaNova | OK gotta go... |
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| 22:52.13 | SiMatrix | Anyway, anyone help me with Webmin and DHCP3? |
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| 22:53.17 | mihaly | wow the stuff you can learn |
| 22:53.18 | mihaly | Because of IRC's Scandinavian origin, the characters {}|^ are |
| 22:53.19 | mihaly | considered to be the lower case equivalents of the characters []\~, |
| 22:53.19 | mihaly | respectively. This is a critical issue when determining the |
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| 22:53.21 | jim | SiMatrix: just edit the config file... webmin is known to mess up config files... and especially, if you don't know what you're doing, you could seriously damage your system |
| 22:53.33 | usual | jim, was a typo on my end, but now it doesn't accept the entire list inside the text file |
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| 22:53.45 | jim | usual: why not? |
| 22:53.46 | usual | only a through f |
| 22:53.49 | usual | dunno |
| 22:53.57 | usual | ohh |
| 22:53.58 | usual | iknow why |
| 22:54.00 | usual | nm |
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| 22:54.02 | jim | how can you find out why? |
| 22:54.08 | usual | i already did |
| 22:54.12 | beardy | error403: Maybe this can help you? http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 22:54.13 | jim | so, why? |
| 22:54.16 | SiMatrix | jim - fortuantely it is not a production system. However that still does not answer the question of how to get it to work :) |
| 22:54.29 | usual | jim, one of the packages was not avalible |
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| 22:54.34 | usual | so it stopped |
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| 22:54.54 | error403 | beardy, thanks... |
| 22:54.54 | jim | usual: ok, how did you find that out? |
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| 22:55.05 | usual | jim, experience |
| 22:55.06 | SiMatrix | jim - I want to use webmin. I am commited to it for cluster management. |
| 22:55.09 | error403 | beardy, LMAO, i just found the same thing via Google on my other machine |
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| 22:55.54 | jmstacey | Currently upgrading to sarge. Is aptitude replacing apt-get or at least phasing it out? |
| 22:55.54 | jim | usual: not sure what you mean. |
| 22:56.03 | usual | jim, ? |
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| 22:56.23 | jim | how did you find out that apt-get thought a package was not available? |
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| 22:56.47 | usual | jim, it said it couldn't continue because the package doesn't exist |
| 22:57.25 | beardy | error403: '/msg dpkg debootstrap' and '/msg dpkg chroot install' |
| 22:57.49 | jim | usual: ahh! SO: the information I was asking for ("why doesn't it work") was printed as an error message from apt |
| 22:58.23 | usual | yes |
| 22:58.26 | beardy | error403: Nice to hear you are googling yourself :) Not everyone that does it seems sometimes.. |
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| 22:58.56 | bucky | usual, what are you chrooting? |
| 22:58.57 | error403 | heh |
| 22:59.02 | error403 | thanks beardy !!! |
| 22:59.19 | usual | bucky, eh? |
| 22:59.23 | usual | bucky, nothing |
| 23:00.17 | SiMatrix | Ok, I am trying to debug the dependency. Shessh |
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| 23:00.43 | bucky | oh it's jim |
| 23:01.28 | SiMatrix | Does a latter verion of DHCP support PXE? |
| 23:01.40 | usual | does debian plan on switching to xorg? |
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| 23:02.00 | RogueDopple | oi veh |
| 23:02.35 | bucky | usual, someday |
| 23:02.35 | usual | ahh |
| 23:02.36 | usual | nm |
| 23:02.38 | usual | :) |
| 23:02.40 | zOap | do you know of any way to set the xterm title to the active line content? |
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| 23:03.19 | caphuso | zOap: check the bash prompt howto on tldp.org |
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| 23:04.00 | zOap | caphuso, thanks man:) |
| 23:04.10 | genesis_ | Hi! |
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| 23:07.19 | samuel | sup all |
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| 23:07.33 | WiFiTux | Soory, this ain't the place but... google reads your emails and from there it makes marketing and banners?!! :( |
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| 23:08.38 | mihaly | testing |
| 23:08.43 | asker | how can i rehash xinetd services on debian ? |
| 23:08.48 | asker | restart.. |
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| 23:09.03 | dondelelcaro | asker: /etc/init.d/xinetd restart; |
| 23:09.06 | usual | killall -HUP inet |
| 23:09.07 | usual | ? |
| 23:09.11 | bucky | asker, /etc/init.d/xinetd restart |
| 23:09.33 | dondelelcaro | better to use the initscript, since often housekeeping needs to be done. |
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| 23:10.09 | bucky | which version of debian are you using usual ? |
| 23:10.19 | usual | unstable |
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| 23:10.37 | Mestapheles | hi |
| 23:11.39 | Mestapheles | does a basic sarge install (without X) fit into a 362 mg hd? |
| 23:12.02 | bucky | the base install does |
| 23:12.09 | Mestapheles | the manual just assumes 10 or so gig harddrives |
| 23:12.10 | Mestapheles | k |
| 23:12.23 | bucky | but if you run taskel and add logging and all that it won't |
| 23:13.34 | Mestapheles | what I have done on my other computers is install a basic system and then install X and desktop environment later va apt-get |
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| 23:13.57 | Mestapheles | any chances it'll fit with X? |
| 23:14.12 | bucky | i doubt it |
| 23:14.23 | bucky | run damn small linux |
| 23:14.24 | tcsetattr | X isn't that big... KDE is though |
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| 23:14.54 | caphuso | Mestapheles: what are you plans with that box? |
| 23:15.22 | Gathond | Mestapheles: X, sure KDE or Gnome might not though, so perhaps you should use some more basic windowmanager, xfce4, enlightenment or some such |
| 23:15.32 | Mestapheles | plans: set it up as a mail and basic desktop publishing |
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| 23:15.40 | [GeNeSiS] | fluxbox |
| 23:15.41 | [GeNeSiS] | :) |
| 23:16.04 | hoopy | gnustep |
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| 23:16.17 | beardy | !window manager |
| 23:16.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, windows-el, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No WM-picker-picker. Yet. |
| 23:16.18 | Mestapheles | how's xfce4 on resources and space? |
| 23:16.22 | caphuso | Mestapheles: buy a bigger disk |
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| 23:17.19 | alexscott | plop(amsg) |
| 23:17.19 | caphuso | !window manager =~ s/, windows-el// |
| 23:17.20 | dpkg | caphuso: OK |
| 23:17.28 | Mestapheles | I'll buy one as soon, I just have to figure out if the errors are related to the disk or not. |
| 23:18.27 | Mestapheles | I'm going to run Mulinux from core to see if I get the same errors. If not, then it is either the hd or cables. |
| 23:18.43 | ColonelKernel | I installed azureus - I cant get it to update |
| 23:18.59 | beardy | Mestapheles: What errors do you get? |
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| 23:19.07 | ColonelKernel | I tried running it as root and doing the update, and it STILL tries to update every time |
| 23:19.09 | Swelly | how do i boot from the cd straight into a bash prompt so that i can move some files around on my hdd and hopefully fix my mistake ? :o |
| 23:19.22 | Mestapheles | write timeout |
| 23:19.46 | SiMatrix | I love Webmin :p |
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| 23:20.17 | Supaplex | !webmin |
| 23:20.18 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 23:20.21 | beardy | Swelly: Which "the cd"? |
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| 23:20.28 | Swelly | it's a woody cd |
| 23:21.07 | Mestapheles | I'm running fbsd on it right now and it gives me "ad0:WRITE command timeout tag =0 serv=0 resetting device ... done". |
| 23:21.48 | beardy | Swelly: Check the help screens when you boot with it. |
| 23:21.51 | SiMatrix | dpkg - shoving table knifes into live electrical outlets sounds very punk |
| 23:21.51 | Mestapheles | nbsd gives a simmilar error and windoze gave a couldn't write to :c |
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| 23:22.16 | SiMatrix | Supaplex: shoving table knifes into live electrical outlets sounds very punk |
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| 23:22.30 | Mestapheles | has anyone tried http://www.linux.ca/minideb/ and upgraded from that to sarge? |
| 23:22.46 | beardy | Mestapheles: Such a small drive must be quite old, it's quite likely it may be broken. |
| 23:22.57 | Mestapheles | true |
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| 23:23.15 | Swelly | beardy, i see there's a rescue command with an example `rescue root=/dev/hda1` but i've tried a few different root directorys and i can't get it going :( |
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| 23:23.46 | beardy | Mestapheles: Disks are not expensive, buy a new one. |
| 23:24.05 | Mestapheles | sounds like a plan |
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| 23:24.15 | Arafangion | *sigh* |
| 23:24.27 | ColonelKernel | /me begs for some help with Azureus |
| 23:24.31 | Arafangion | Why does all software *suck* :( |
| 23:24.31 | ColonelKernel | hey!! |
| 23:24.32 | beardy | Swelly: You only have one root filesystem (well you could have more, but I assume you only have one) |
| 23:24.51 | boogada | in XMMS, i randomly get an error stating "Please check that: Your soundcard is configured properly, you have the correct output pluging selected, no other program is blocking the soundcard." i know that 1: my soundcard is configured properly because it works at times, 2: i have the correct plugin chosed since none of them work when this happens(i use OSS driver) and 3: no other program is using the sound. should i mess with the prioriti |
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| 23:24.58 | caphuso | Arafangion: get a copy of the virtual vacuum cleaner. it blows |
| 23:25.05 | ColonelKernel | im trying to get azureus to update, im running debian sarge - even if I run it using sudo when I tell azureus to update it downloads, restarts, and its the old version still! can anyone help? |
| 23:25.17 | Swelly | beardy, i'm too new to linux to do anything but assume myself :P |
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| 23:25.43 | RogueDopple | ColonelKernel: your a very funny man |
| 23:25.45 | carter_berlin | i just migrated my slackware box to debian sarge yesterday! |
| 23:25.48 | beardy | Swelly: Well, then comes this, Don't assume anything, oh well.. :) |
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| 23:25.58 | Swelly | :( |
| 23:26.08 | ColonelKernel | RogueDopple, whats so funny about what I said? |
| 23:26.16 | beardy | Swelly: Is debian the only OS installed on the box? |
| 23:26.20 | Swelly | yes |
| 23:26.22 | ColonelKernel | I cant get the thing to update to the latest version |
| 23:26.22 | Swelly | it's a laptop |
| 23:26.24 | Arafangion | Does Debian run with Darwin? |
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| 23:26.37 | carter_berlin | how can i disable fbcon in sarge? |
| 23:26.44 | caphuso | Arafangion: "with" as in "on top of"? no |
| 23:26.54 | ding0k | can someone direct me to somewhere I can read about the sites-available feature in debian's apache2 ? |
| 23:27.11 | Swelly | i did something which i assume is fairly common among newbies, and i did a mv /* to /home/swelly/mail/<somerandomstring>/Mail |
| 23:27.11 | carter_berlin | ding0k: /etc/apache2/README |
| 23:27.12 | Arafangion | caphuso: Pity - I was hoping to run it on my mac - with full hardware support. |
| 23:27.30 | Swelly | so i want to be able to mount the filesystem and move it back |
| 23:27.30 | caphuso | ding0k: /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.etc |
| 23:27.35 | Swelly | but i have no idea how to |
| 23:27.47 | beardy | Swelly: What does 'rescue root=/dev/hda1' say then? |
| 23:28.06 | Swelly | i get a kernel panic unable to mount root |
| 23:28.12 | Swelly | or something to that effect |
| 23:28.46 | carter_berlin | does anyone use software RAID-1 here? |
| 23:28.55 | beardy | Swelly: That is _not_ common. Don't run as root. |
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| 23:29.15 | Swelly | lol, i've learnt that lesson :P |
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| 23:29.45 | beardy | Swelly: Sounds like you have broken your system, a reinstall is the easiest way to fix it I guess. And learn by your mistakes. :) |
| 23:29.51 | beardy | Swelly: Good :) |
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| 23:30.14 | caphuso | Swelly: uh, if you moved /bin, /sbin, /lib and /etc to /home/some/thing, you won't be able to mount anything |
| 23:30.29 | caphuso | forgot /dev |
| 23:30.39 | caphuso | remember, you no longer have a /sbin/init |
| 23:30.48 | caphuso | or a /bin/mount... |
| 23:30.49 | SiMatrix | I still love webmin :p |
| 23:30.54 | Swelly | so my only option would be to reinstall ? |
| 23:30.56 | linlin | what would posess you to move your everything to your mail dir? |
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| 23:31.08 | Swelly | i couldn't use a gentoo live cd or something ? |
| 23:31.12 | caphuso | Swelly: you could |
| 23:32.50 | Swelly | so how would i mount the drive under gentoo to navagate to where it is and then mv it |
| 23:32.51 | Swelly | ? |
| 23:33.15 | caphuso | Swelly: doesn't matter where you mount it |
| 23:33.30 | Swelly | i don't know how to mount :P |
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| 23:33.58 | caphuso | then you've just got yourself an excellent reason to learn hopw to mount >:-) |
| 23:34.31 | caphuso | "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/brokendebsystem", for example |
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| 23:35.19 | Mestapheles | thanks guys |
| 23:35.22 | Swelly | it tells me the /mnt directory doesn't exist :( |
| 23:35.25 | Mestapheles | exit |
| 23:35.33 | Swelly | or mount point rather |
| 23:35.39 | caphuso | mkdir |
| 23:35.49 | shingouz | Swelly: you have to mount it in some empty directory |
| 23:35.50 | caphuso | ah, no, live cd... |
| 23:35.57 | caphuso | use some random emtpy directory |
| 23:36.27 | beardy | Swelly: 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/temp'. Then locate everything you moved, and move it back. Read 'man mount' first. |
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| 23:36.53 | jasoncohen | Swelly, why did you move / to your home mail directory? |
| 23:36.54 | Swelly | arr thanks :) i can see it all now |
| 23:37.01 | Swelly | jasoncohen, because i'm an idiot |
| 23:37.16 | caphuso | Swelly: at least your honest about it :) |
| 23:37.32 | PeTeRB | !rootsmite Swelly |
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| 23:37.36 | jasoncohen | heh, i can see deleting a directory by mistake but moving your entire system to some random dir, heh |
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| 23:37.41 | Swelly | hey everyone makes mistakes... mine is just about 10 times bigger than everyone elses :P |
| 23:37.46 | caphuso | and don't worry, everyone makes at least one stupid mistake like that |
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| 23:38.13 | caphuso | Swelly: nah, the Big Fuckup(tm) of a lot of people involves rm, not mv |
| 23:38.28 | jasoncohen | heh, i mistakenly deleted /root yesterday. Luckily, i just restored from my daily backkup so it wasn't a big deal |
| 23:38.28 | caphuso | which makes it a bit harder to recover from |
| 23:38.43 | jasoncohen | meant to delete a file in /root but pressed enter too early |
| 23:38.45 | caphuso | jasoncohen: deleting /root is harmless |
| 23:38.51 | Swelly | now if i mounted it as /blah/ i should mv the /random/mail/mistake/dir/ to /blah/ correct ? |
| 23:39.22 | caphuso | Swelly: /blah/..../mail/dir/ to /blah |
| 23:39.27 | jmstacey | I just upgraded from woody to sarge following the release notes and attempted to restart however only "LI" is displayed after the bios runs through it's checks and it just hangs there. So it sounds like a boot manager problem, although I'm not sure why that was touched during the install. Any recommendations on where to start would be aprreciated :) |
| 23:39.30 | caphuso | Swelly: err, /blah/..../mail/dir/* to /blah |
| 23:39.47 | caphuso | e.g. /blah/..../mail/dir/bin should become /blah/bin |
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| 23:40.40 | streuner | !LI |
| 23:40.41 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
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| 23:42.11 | beardy | Swelly: '/msg dpkg reference' when you are done. Read it and learn some things at a time. Ask intelligent questions if you need help with something, but try to take it one step at a time and solve things yourself, that's how you learn best. |
| 23:42.12 | streuner | jmstacey: did you install a new kernel as well? |
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| 23:42.51 | jmstacey | streuner: No, so its still using 2.4 |
| 23:42.55 | jmstacey | line |
| 23:43.59 | streuner | in sarge is a new version of lilo |
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| 23:44.08 | streuner | .. |
| 23:44.19 | Synaptic|afk | Hi i have just upgraded debian and i cant lunch my kde as regular user (after login nothing happens) anyone can help me? |
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| 23:44.25 | ^QwErTz^ | hi, what is the file for adding scripts on boot ? |
| 23:44.39 | jasoncohen | streuner, wouldn't lilo be run after the new version of lilo installed or if a new kernel was installed? |
| 23:44.44 | Synaptic|afk | there is no errors in .xsession-errors |
| 23:44.45 | jmstacey | streuner: Would have been nice to know I guess before I rebooted. Must of not been paying close enough attention |
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| 23:44.56 | streuner | jasoncohen: no |
| 23:44.56 | DB_ | I'm having trouble upgrading to sarge... The installation of libc6 fails with this: unable to create `./usr/sbin/zic': Permission denied. Has anyone seen this? |
| 23:45.02 | Swelly | thanks guys :D seems to be going :) |
| 23:45.10 | streuner | jasoncohen: for the first part |
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| 23:45.28 | streuner | jasoncohen: by installing a new kernel-image lilo would re-run |
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| 23:45.42 | CasaNova-AFK | I can not find what is accessing my /dev/hdc (cdrom), when I type 'eject cdrom' or I press eject manual, it opens and closes immediately. (It is a dvd burner but happens to both drives (HDC and hdd) |
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| 23:45.58 | CasaNova-AFK | Not sure what is causing it but I disabled all auto play in gnome |
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| 23:46.04 | streuner | jmstacey: just run lilo -v without errors |
| 23:46.14 | dondelelcaro | DB_: uh... that sounds like you don't have everything mounted rw, or you're running SE linux, or ./usr/sbin/zic is +i |
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| 23:46.37 | beardy | ^QwErTz^: '/msg dpkg rc.local' not sure if that's what your after.. |
| 23:46.57 | xes666 | I. I'm on dedian SID on my laptop. Do you know how to disable the mouse tapping on laptop? |
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| 23:48.40 | DB_ | dondelelcaro: suS-adAc------ /usr/sbin/zic <--- Doesn't appear to be immutable. Anything else notable there? |
| 23:48.41 | jasoncohen | streuner, if he didn't install a new kernel and he didn't change the position of his disks, whey would have have to re-run lilo? |
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| 23:49.00 | samuel | sup all |
| 23:49.29 | streuner | jasoncohen: prolly he upgraded lilo as well, and sarge has a new version |
| 23:49.51 | samuel | does anyone know of where i can find some info on putting gnustep as a WM in GDM? ive read its not a desktop enviroment, and im unaware of how to start it? |
| 23:49.52 | CasaNova | hmm error reading CD header when I try to play a new music cd. Anyone knwo - while I google :-) |
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| 23:50.07 | CasaNova | samuel wmaker |
| 23:50.09 | flipy | hi |
| 23:50.26 | CasaNova | samuel: linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq (see installing gnustep) |
| 23:50.28 | zinx | CasaNova: are you sure it's a CD? |
| 23:50.31 | streuner | jasoncohen: if you get 'LI' there is no other solution then... |
| 23:50.32 | initech | samuel: just choose window maker |
| 23:50.45 | zinx | CasaNova: there are music discs that look like CDs now, but aren't really |
| 23:50.48 | flipy | i'm trying to install debian, so i've downloaded the images, but when i try to boot them it seems that aren't correct |
| 23:50.51 | initech | samuel: window maker is the gnustep environment |
| 23:50.54 | CasaNova | zinx: Yup - Shakira new 2 sided CD ( one side music the other dvd) |
| 23:50.56 | concept10 | anyone have webmin experience? |
| 23:50.58 | eXoDuS | zinx: how so? |
| 23:51.03 | initech | samuel: well after you start all the gnustep crap |
| 23:51.06 | beardy | !anyone |
| 23:51.07 | zinx | eXoDuS: copy prevention :) |
| 23:51.07 | dpkg | anyone is, like, ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 23:51.17 | samuel | CasaNova, initech thanks |
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| 23:51.22 | eXoDuS | zinx: oh really? so they save the info differently than a normal cd? |
| 23:51.27 | concept10 | !dumbass beardy |
| 23:51.33 | zinx | eXoDuS: they break the specs in order to do their prevention |
| 23:51.34 | flipy | i've tryed debian-31r0a-ia64-netinst and sarge-ia64-netinst |
| 23:51.38 | beardy | concept10: Don't. |
| 23:51.43 | zinx | eXoDuS: if it's not according to specs, then it's not a CD. |
| 23:51.48 | eXoDuS | zinx: and how do you reproduce em later? |
| 23:51.53 | concept10 | beardy, you should use your own advice |
| 23:51.58 | jasoncohen | The netinstall CD won't work as a rescue disk, right? |
| 23:52.16 | beardy | one of those eh.. |
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| 23:52.36 | concept10 | Could someone tell me how to long into webmin remotely |
| 23:52.44 | tcsetattr | flipy, do you really have an ia64? |
| 23:52.49 | flipy | amd64 |
| 23:52.53 | CasaNova | Very frustrating, I copy all my cds since I play them in my basement where I workout and asw wood. seems like a fair use issue.. |
| 23:52.54 | eXoDuS | concept10: do you really have to use webmin? |
| 23:52.55 | tcsetattr | ia64 is not amd64 |
| 23:52.58 | jasoncohen | concept10, https://ipofserver:10000/ |
| 23:52.59 | flipy | oooooops |
| 23:53.03 | streuner | jmstacey: /msg dpkg upgrade tests |
| 23:53.05 | flipy | sh*t |
| 23:53.08 | CasaNova | Even worse is not being able to play the fool cd on my PC! |
| 23:53.10 | concept10 | thanks, jason |
| 23:53.15 | concept10 | thanks, jasoncohen |
| 23:53.21 | tcsetattr | there is no amd64 in the official sarge CDs. |
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| 23:53.31 | flipy | oh :( |
| 23:53.34 | flipy | why? :( |
| 23:53.57 | streuner | hm, but amd64 is now official |
| 23:54.00 | concept10 | the dpkg bot should be removed from this channel |
| 23:54.06 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:54.15 | streuner | that was a good joke :-) |
| 23:54.16 | LSorense2 | flipy: ia64=itanium aka an intel 64bit design. amd75 = and amd 64 bit design |
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| 23:54.37 | flipy | oh i see... so there's no chance for me and my amd64? |
| 23:54.38 | LSorense2 | streuner: it's not that official (at least for sarge), but it is getting there |
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| 23:54.51 | LSorense2 | flipy: the sarge amd64 port works very well |
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| 23:55.03 | flipy | but how do i install it? |
| 23:55.04 | LSorense2 | flipy: and sarge i386 does have limited support for amd64 as well |
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| 23:55.11 | flipy | uhm |
| 23:55.12 | LSorense2 | flipy: amd64.debian.net |
| 23:55.16 | eXoDuS | LSorense2: amd75 eh? |
| 23:55.17 | flipy | let's check it |
| 23:55.24 | LSorense2 | flipy: they have net install images and all |
| 23:55.33 | flipy | oh thanks LSorense2 |
| 23:55.42 | LSorense2 | eXoDuS: oops. |
| 23:55.46 | eXoDuS | LSorense2: ;) |
| 23:55.53 | emRick | am trying to compile "xmms_sndfile" but the configure reports this error: |
| 23:55.59 | emRick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:56.07 | marcel | does anyone know a way for converting evolution maildirs to a local store? EG. /var/spool/mail |
| 23:56.10 | eXoDuS | emag: you need libgtk1.2-dev |
| 23:56.16 | LSorense2 | flipy: and the amd64 list is very handy for asking questions |
| 23:56.28 | flipy | thanks LSorense2 |
| 23:56.29 | LSorense2 | marcel: mutt can do it. procmail can do it. |
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| 23:56.33 | flipy | hope I success installing it |
| 23:56.35 | CasaNova | this is crazy! I can play the DVD side of the 2 sided cd in xine but I can't play the audio side ! man oh man gotta love the record companies now! |
| 23:56.43 | LSorense2 | flipy: depends mostly on your hardware |
| 23:56.46 | sphinx | what must I add in sources.list to get the package smail ? |
| 23:56.46 | flipy | does the debian-installer detect on-board chips raid? |
| 23:56.49 | emRick | eXoDuS: thanks (if you mean me) |
| 23:56.51 | jmstacey | streuner: All I've got is a rescue disk for woody, will that work with sarge? |
| 23:56.58 | initech | flipy: depends on what it is |
| 23:57.04 | eXoDuS | emRick: oops, yeah you, stupid autocomplete :) |
| 23:57.05 | LSorense2 | flipy: most proprietary software raid doesn't work with linux |
| 23:57.06 | flipy | via vt8237 |
| 23:57.12 | flipy | uhm |
| 23:57.12 | marcel | LSorense2, Thanks |
| 23:57.18 | flipy | what about dmraid? |
| 23:57.19 | sphinx | what must I add in sources.list to get the package smail ? |
| 23:57.24 | LSorense2 | flipy: they usually work ok as ide controllers |
| 23:57.27 | beardy | CasaNova: Out of curiosity, can you play the cd in a stand alone, common cd player? |
| 23:57.32 | LSorense2 | flipy: no dmraid in the installer. crap anyhow |
| 23:57.36 | initech | flipy: never heard of it. i assume this is some sata thingy? |
| 23:57.43 | flipy | yes |
| 23:57.45 | flipy | it is SATA |
| 23:57.48 | CasaNova | beardy: Oh yeah my old 5 disk player plays it just fine! |
| 23:57.58 | LSorense2 | flipy: the sata controller is supported, but the crap raid is not. |
| 23:58.05 | jasoncohen | does the 1st sarge CD act as a rescue disk? i don't think the netinstall disk does. |
| 23:58.15 | CasaNova | beardy : the funny thing is the DVD side has some of the sogs, they are playing in Xine jsut fine :-) |
| 23:58.15 | initech | flipy: in that case you are better off just using linux's software raid. the only real sata hardware raid controllers are by 3ware afaik |
| 23:58.22 | LSorense2 | flipy: I use an 8237 at work and it's great with two sata drives and software raid1 on it. |
| 23:58.26 | eXoDuS | jasoncohen: 1st one does, and i thought the netinstall did too.... you get a console at tty2 that you can use |
| 23:58.32 | flipy | well |
| 23:58.35 | CasaNova | but I can't play the stupid CD side! States nodisk when I try to play or CDheader error |
| 23:58.45 | beardy | CasaNova: Does it have some copy protection? I e a blank ring close to the center of the disc? |
| 23:58.49 | flipy | the fact is that I need m$ to make the work @ university |
| 23:58.51 | LSorense2 | initech: actually someone pointed out to me another sata raid with linux open source drivers recently, including a 24port PCIe one. |
| 23:59.09 | LSorense2 | flipy: well it is technically possible to do software raid in windows too |
| 23:59.14 | sphinx | what must I add in sources.list to get the package smail ? |
| 23:59.16 | CasaNova | beardy: Now that you mention it the center does look odd, being 2 sided that is wehre the title is as well. |
| 23:59.17 | jasoncohen | eXoDuS, oh, so just ctrl-alt-f2 at the first screen? |
| 23:59.18 | initech | LSorense2: i think you would want a backplane for all that :) |
| 23:59.23 | flipy | that seems wasting on-board raid performance |
| 23:59.32 | eXoDuS | jasoncohen: yeah, no need for ctrl though, alt - 2 |
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| 23:59.41 | initech | flipy: the on board raid is most likely slower than linux software raid |
| 23:59.41 | LSorense2 | flipy: now if your software raid is real clever it should allow you to use part of the disk as a via raid, and leave the rest as a normal disk, but I doubt that is likely given they aren't real raid anyway |
| 23:59.48 | emRick | I heard using a yellow highlighter around the edge is good with those CD |
| 23:59.57 | LSorense2 | initech: using the 4in1 sata cables, it's not that messy |
