| 00:00.01 | zamzam | hi I'm having trouble with my soundsystem, I just installed sarge and the error I'm getting is "can't start sound i/o...The sound server will continue, using the null output device" |
| 00:00.01 | flipy | LSorense2 it isn't real raid |
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| 00:00.12 | streuner | LSorense2: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00005.html |
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| 00:00.19 | initech | flipy: what isn't real raid? |
| 00:00.20 | CasaNova | emRick: TO defeat copy protect? |
| 00:00.22 | LSorense2 | initech: it's a standard 4in1 sata connector that is often connected to sata hotswap enclosures |
| 00:00.30 | jmstacey | Or could someone point me in the right direction of creating a sarge rescue disk from windows |
| 00:00.35 | emRick | CasaNova: just a bit of :-) humor |
| 00:00.38 | jasoncohen | is grub-install /dev/hda the equivilant of running lilo ? |
| 00:00.48 | initech | jmstacey: download the 1st binary cd and burn it |
| 00:00.56 | initech | jasoncohen: yes |
| 00:00.59 | CasaNova | emRick: Oh , reading everything inline- missed the silliness... |
| 00:01.05 | LSorense2 | initech: a real raid controller does the work in hardware, using a special chip, while what via and intel and sis and Sil and those do is do software raid in the bios until the driver loads and takes over doing software raid. |
| 00:01.11 | eXoDuS | jasoncohen: equivalent but better ;) |
| 00:01.13 | zamzam | does anyone know if there's a sound card configuration utility for debian? I keep getting "can't start sound i/o" |
| 00:01.14 | jmstacey | initech: Is there anything faster? |
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| 00:01.22 | darktanicus | hi |
| 00:01.25 | streuner | jmstacey: should work |
| 00:01.25 | flipy | excuse me, but, what is jigdo? |
| 00:01.27 | darktanicus | someone can help me |
| 00:01.29 | eXoDuS | zamzam: do you have the drivers for your sound card? |
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| 00:01.38 | LSorense2 | zamzam: just add the alsa driver for your sound chip to /etc/modules and install alsa-utils and alsa-base |
| 00:01.48 | emRick | darktanicus: yo |
| 00:01.57 | darktanicus | hi emRick |
| 00:02.01 | initech | LSorense2: i realize that, but it isn't like software raid is not "real" raid. it's still raid. I thought flipy was saying linux software raid was not real raid |
| 00:02.24 | PhantomsDad | Greetings. Is there a way to list recently installed packages? I suspect one of my recent upgrades has installed a bad lib. |
| 00:02.27 | darktanicus | im newbie in llinux |
| 00:02.30 | beardy | CasaNova: If I remember correctly, my cdrom just sounded strange and tried to spin up the cd when I tried playing such a cd, don't think I managed to play it, and it wasn't mine, so I couln't go paint on it to try to defeat the crappy protection.. :) But an old cdplayer could play it. |
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| 00:02.52 | darktanicus | and i need open office for my works |
| 00:03.15 | darktanicus | i try with apt commands but nothing happens |
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| 00:03.57 | zamzam | eXoDuS: well I'm not even too sure what my sound card is |
| 00:03.57 | boogada | is there a way to have the dpkg bot inform you on certain topic? |
| 00:03.57 | LSorense2 | flipy: a tool that downloads .deb's from any ftp mirror (or http) of debian and assembles them following a script, and adds in a few megs of iso structure and checksums it, ending up with the iso without the servers having to store an iso |
| 00:03.58 | zamzam | LSorense: ahh, yeah I'll get alsa-utils and -base, I just needa figure out what my sound card is exactly..this was someone else's pc |
| 00:03.58 | concept10 | jasoncohen, do you know default login info for webmin |
| 00:03.58 | LSorense2 | zamzam: does lspci show any sound chips? lspci -n |grep 0401 |
| 00:03.58 | LSorense2 | concept10: root |
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| 00:03.59 | LSorense2 | initech: onboard sata raid is NOT real hardware raid. it is proprietary software raid and unsually no official specifications on it exist. |
| 00:04.00 | emRick | PhantomsDad: maybe others have a better approach, but this should help |
| 00:04.09 | emRick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:04.09 | mwilson | PhantomsDad: Well then, you must know what the library is, so what's the problem? |
| 00:04.16 | zamzam | LSorense2: oh wow that is a neat command, it gave me "0000:02:0d.0 0401: 1102:0004 (rev 03)" |
| 00:04.19 | LSorense2 | dark: what are you trying to install |
| 00:04.21 | CasaNova | beardy : yeah I've played this CD a bunch of times, but I copy all my cds (scratched tooo many to count!) just sucks knowing I can;t pkay it in Computer |
| 00:04.25 | flipy | LSorense2: seems interesting, but i'll try the netinst |
| 00:04.28 | jasoncohen | concept10, you need to login as root to do anything |
| 00:04.34 | LSorense2 | zamzam: I think 1102 is nvidia. let me check. might be via |
| 00:04.36 | initech | LSorense2: yes, well aware of that, thank you |
| 00:04.47 | jasoncohen | darktanicus, apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 00:04.50 | eXoDuS | LSorense2: wow, now THAT is hardcore ;) |
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| 00:05.02 | zamzam | LSorense: yeah I have an nvidia graphics card |
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| 00:05.04 | LSorense2 | zamzam: oh duh!. creative labs |
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| 00:05.13 | LSorense2 | zamzam: should be an sb live |
| 00:05.21 | jasoncohen | darktanicus, and apt-get search packagename to find something |
| 00:05.24 | LSorense2 | zamzam: add snd-emu10k1 to /etc/modules |
| 00:05.34 | zamzam | LSorense2: :( how would I do that |
| 00:05.34 | PhantomsDad | mwilson: No, don't know which lib is the problem. |
| 00:05.41 | eXoDuS | zamzam: vi? |
| 00:05.46 | zamzam | ohhhhh |
| 00:05.49 | zamzam | alright one sec. |
| 00:05.51 | mwilson | PhantomsDad: But yet you think you have a bad library based on... what? |
| 00:05.53 | LSorense2 | zamzam: one method is: echo "snd-emu10k1" >> /etc/modules (>> means append) |
| 00:05.59 | emRick | PhantomsDad: maybe others have a better approach, but this should help |
| 00:06.00 | emRick | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.00 | CasaNova | OK off to google to figure out if I can ever play this thing in CD or why my drives keep closing when I eject them ! |
| 00:06.01 | LSorense2 | zamzam: or use any text editor you like |
| 00:06.01 | PhantomsDad | Getting "relocation" errors on fstat64, but I don't have amd64, just reg amd. |
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| 00:06.09 | beardy | CasaNova: How do you try to play the cd? I don't know if it makes any difference, but try to play it analog, not digitally. It probably wont work either, but worth a try. |
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| 00:06.12 | marcel | How do I use procmail to convert my local evolution folders to local maildir? |
| 00:06.15 | flipy | well, thanks |
| 00:06.16 | zamzam | LSorense2: Thank you :) :) |
| 00:06.17 | flipy | cya |
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| 00:06.26 | mwilson | And what led you to think you had a bad library? |
| 00:06.34 | PhantomsDad | emRick: thanks |
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| 00:06.41 | LSorense2 | zamzam: i have the same card here. works great. |
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| 00:06.49 | eXoDuS | zamzam: same here |
| 00:06.52 | CasaNova | beardy: You mean if I had a cable to the sd card? |
| 00:06.55 | eXoDuS | works marvels |
| 00:06.56 | dondelelcaro | marcel: use mb2md |
| 00:07.06 | LSorense | zamzam: mine is rev 8 but no big deal that i know of. |
| 00:07.19 | beardy | CasaNova: Yes. |
| 00:07.28 | boogada | well, does anyone know how to configure sound priorities so my xmms is above all? |
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| 00:07.45 | darktanicus | the terminal says invalid operation search |
| 00:07.50 | LSorense | boogada: either a program has the sound device or it doesn't. no priorities involved |
| 00:07.59 | Rockret | Java came installed with debian 3.1 ? |
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| 00:08.03 | CasaNova | beardy: I'm gonna give that a try when I get the case open and find some sound cables for the cdrom... |
| 00:08.26 | LSorense | Rockret: Not by default. It does include a few free java implementations, but nothing beyond java 1.3 as far as I know |
| 00:08.27 | boogada | LSorense: so there is no way i could stop my XMMS from cutting out due to such intereference? |
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| 00:08.52 | CasaNova | beardy: I already testedt he older DVD player and it does not support digital play so I'll try to get that working as plainjane cd player... |
| 00:08.53 | sphinx | Hi, what must I add in sources.list to get SMAIL package? |
| 00:09.19 | LSorense | boogada: well if your system is too slow, stop doing things that slow it down, otherwise you could try and see if you can increase the priority of xmms. you could also check to make sure it isn't using artsd or esd since both of those make sound much slower to do, and use alsa instead of oss for driver since it is much more cpu efficient too. |
| 00:09.20 | eXoDuS | sphinx: www.google.com |
| 00:09.23 | CasaNova | beardy: If I get teh DVDplayer running as plain jane analog then to rip the cD do I actually have to record the analog stream? |
| 00:09.32 | mwilson | sphinx: Nothing. smail is non-free. |
| 00:09.45 | LSorense | CasaNova: there is nothing analog on a dvd. |
| 00:09.47 | eXoDuS | LSorense: alsa is more cpu friendly than oss? |
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| 00:09.55 | zamzam | SLorense: hey the SB sound card is showing up with lspci now (rev 03)..but would I have to restart my sound system to see changes? or reinstall alsa-utils & -base (I installed those two before adding the driver) |
| 00:09.56 | LSorense | exu: generally by quite a bit yes |
| 00:10.07 | mwilson | Oh, wait... not any more... it's in main. |
| 00:10.11 | zamzam | LSorense: ** lol |
| 00:10.12 | eXoDuS | LSorense: interesting |
| 00:10.16 | mwilson | Gods only know why you'd want it, though. |
| 00:10.16 | LSorense | zamzam: just modprobe snd-emu10k1 |
| 00:10.21 | CasaNova | LSorense: I wasn't sure so I thought I would open teh case and see if it had a redbook connection... |
| 00:10.22 | LSorense | zamzam: then try alsamixer |
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| 00:10.25 | beardy | CasaNova: Yes, you would have to record it, that is, play it using a diskwriter output. |
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| 00:10.34 | LSorense | CasaNova: oh for playing audio cds you would need that yes |
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| 00:10.42 | LSorense | CasaNova: but that's not a dvd thing, that's a cd thing |
| 00:10.53 | zamzam | LSorense: "Can't locate module snd-emu10k1" :**(( |
| 00:10.59 | LSorense | zamzam: which version of debian? |
| 00:11.03 | zamzam | 3.1 sarge |
| 00:11.06 | LSorense | zamzam: which kernel? |
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| 00:11.12 | zamzam | uhh |
| 00:11.16 | LSorense | zamzam: uname -r |
| 00:11.16 | boogada | LSorense: i have been using oss, when i switch to alsa, the sound cuts out again and i get the error "couldnt open audio..." how would i make the priority higher on xmms? (noob) |
| 00:11.16 | CasaNova | LSorense: Right and I cant play an audio cd in teh dvd player... copy prot or something... |
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| 00:11.32 | capu | how do i uninstall programs? |
| 00:11.32 | sphinx | mwilson, Package smail has no installation candidate i have got it.. |
| 00:11.33 | zamzam | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 00:11.41 | capu | tidily.. |
| 00:11.43 | chalenged | i feel a dmix conversation coming on .. |
| 00:11.44 | LSorense | boogada: well on my 700mhz machine with an sb live, I don't get cutouts when using alsa and running xmms ever. |
| 00:11.48 | jcole | if i am to access a postgres database from apache+php which user should the db be owned by? www-data? |
| 00:12.01 | eXoDuS | capu: apt-get remove <packagename> |
| 00:12.02 | LSorense | zamzam: switch to a 2.6 kernel and preferably one that is optimized for your cpu type |
| 00:12.10 | LSorense | zamzam: what cpu do you have? |
| 00:12.19 | LSorense | zamzam: 2.6 kernels include alsa, 2.4 does not. |
| 00:12.25 | LSorense | zamzam: sarge comes with both |
| 00:12.31 | zamzam | LSorense: :-/, I have a P4 2.6 |
| 00:12.35 | capu | eXoDuS, it wasn't istalled from apt-get, i installed it from a binary file |
| 00:12.41 | initech | LSorense: hmm, i never had problems with xmms on a 700mhz with oss either. my p133 laptop skips a bit sometimes |
| 00:12.44 | zamzam | LSorense: sarge comes with 2.6 also? |
| 00:12.45 | LSorense | zamzam: then apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 00:12.50 | zamzam | alright |
| 00:12.57 | boogada | LSorense: i should have explained myself better, sorry, i meant the songs wont play due to that error i mentioned. sometimes just clicking on a new song to play, sometimes when it loads. is that the priority most likely? |
| 00:12.58 | eXoDuS | capu: then the app should have supplied you with an uninstall script, if not you are on your luck |
| 00:12.58 | capu | is it safe to just delete the folder? |
| 00:13.02 | LSorense | zamzam: yep. if you install using linux26 rather than hitting enter for default at the boot prompt, it installs 2.6 |
| 00:13.23 | CasaNova | zamzam: linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq has sound setup stuff as well, and tutorial on installing 2.6 |
| 00:13.24 | LSorense | boogada: then you probably have esd or artsd trying to steal the sound device. Do you run gnome or kde? |
| 00:13.25 | jcole | zamzam: run "alsaconf" under 2.6 to get alsa working |
| 00:13.26 | eXoDuS | capu: what folder? |
| 00:13.35 | LSorense | jcole: alsaconf is garbage |
| 00:13.40 | sphinx | mwilson, sorry, any idea ? |
| 00:13.42 | zamzam | jcole: thanks :) |
| 00:13.44 | boogada | LSorense: i run KDE |
| 00:13.49 | zamzam | CasaNova: nice, thanks alot |
| 00:13.52 | LSorense | boogada: then artsd is probably getting in the way |
| 00:13.57 | chalenged | boogad; no it will be 2 sounds at once issues probably |
| 00:13.57 | capu | eXoDuS, i installed it to a random one lol |
| 00:13.59 | zamzam | LSorense: mad pops homie, lol thanks, I'll brb hopefully |
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| 00:14.08 | eXoDuS | capu: random? |
| 00:14.10 | boogada | LSorense: ok, how is this problem fixed? |
| 00:14.18 | LSorense | zamzam: if you install 2.6 and install it, and reboot, you should have alsa working. |
| 00:14.25 | boogada | LSorense: just end artsd? |
| 00:14.27 | jcole | LSorense: has always worked for me... why do you say? |
| 00:14.27 | chalenged | boogada using dmix prolly.... |
| 00:14.32 | chalenged | !dmix |
| 00:14.32 | dpkg | from memory, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 00:14.35 | LSorense | boogada: don't use kde? kill artsd? get a sound card that supports multiple sound streams at a time. |
| 00:14.35 | capu | i installed it to my /home directory |
| 00:14.42 | beardy | CasaNova: If all else fails you have to plug the cdplayer that can play the disc into your computer and literally record the songs, in your favourite soundrecorder program, but quality may not be that good. |
| 00:14.43 | capnskull | anyone want to help compile a kernel for the PSP? |
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| 00:15.16 | jcole | capnskull: sure, got a psp i can borrow? ;) |
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| 00:15.24 | CasaNova | beardy: Yeah I was afraid of that. May just have to grab the songs via sharing app (someone probably figured out how to get them - and I do own the original :-) |
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| 00:15.27 | eXoDuS | jcole: was going to same the same thing :P |
| 00:15.38 | CasaNova | jcole: LOL! |
| 00:16.03 | chalenged | CasaNova: what were you trying to do? |
| 00:16.15 | emRick | so, what Linux app is good for getting music? |
| 00:16.18 | capnskull | can anyone cross compile for MIPS? |
| 00:16.37 | capnskull | it keeps getting error when its on ptrace.c |
| 00:16.38 | CasaNova | chalenged: I have the new shakira cd (2 sided) and the audio side wont play in pc (dvd player) |
| 00:16.46 | jcole | emRick: you'll need to be more specific |
| 00:16.48 | initech | emRick: gtk-gnutella, apollon |
| 00:16.55 | chalenged | emRick: gift will get you on those kind of networks |
| 00:17.04 | capu | whats the command to install .tar.bz2 ? |
| 00:17.23 | chalenged | CasaNova: are you using analog or digital playing from the dvd? |
| 00:17.35 | beardy | capu: 'man tar' and/or 'info tar' |
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| 00:17.47 | jcole | capu: tar xvfj {filename} |
| 00:17.50 | CasaNova | chalenged: digital - I'm gonna try to get a cable for analog |
| 00:17.57 | jcole | capu: tar xvfj {filename}.tar.bz2 |
| 00:18.00 | emRick | I was asking on behalf of CasaNova but also for my own curiosity |
| 00:18.01 | beardy | capu: tar xvjf foo.tar.bz2 |
| 00:19.10 | jmstacey | Ok I had to make a new bootdisk which worked so now it's asking me to boot which will start the installation, which I don't want to do. How can I have it load the installation that is currently (supposedly) working on the hard drive? |
| 00:19.23 | chalenged | CasaNova: from memory audio isnt actually a file system so you may not be able to do it on ROM drives but i did here a way via cat /dev/cdrom |
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| 00:19.40 | jim | capu: install? a .tar.bz2 can contain anything |
| 00:19.48 | CasaNova | chalenged: Really? |
| 00:20.15 | jim | capu: what are you trying to install? |
| 00:20.22 | CasaNova | chalenged: the same dvdBurner plays my older stevie wonder cd just fine, but teh shakira header is purposely borked... |
| 00:20.27 | chalenged | CasaNova: the filesystem thing is explained on some of the encoding sites. |
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| 00:20.39 | darktanicus | how can i search packages? |
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| 00:20.53 | Acheriff_WAY | quick Q: whats the minimum i'd need to install on a headless server to enable X11forwarding for people who ssh in?? |
| 00:20.54 | beardy | !tell darktanicus about search |
| 00:20.56 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.18 | CasaNova | chalenged: Thanks I'll google that as well. |
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| 00:21.43 | CasaNova | chalenged: can you perhaps tell me why my dvdreader and burner close as soon as I openthem - no time to insert media! |
| 00:21.51 | CasaNova | I can;t figure out if something is accessing them... |
| 00:21.57 | CasaNova | I don;t use SCSI emulation |
| 00:22.04 | chalenged | CasaNova you in gnome? |
| 00:22.14 | jim | capu, what are you trying to install? |
| 00:22.23 | CasaNova | chalenged - Yes and I disabled autoplay under media devices... |
| 00:22.28 | darktanicus | i try with apt-get search (pack) but nothin happens |
| 00:23.01 | beardy | darktanicus: Read what dpkg told you again. |
| 00:23.05 | CasaNova | apps/desktop pref/removable devices, I uncheced everything... |
| 00:23.26 | chalenged | casanova: it may be something to do with gnome-volume-manager. i rightclick eject on the desktop icons for mine...no issues...that how you do it? |
| 00:23.27 | darktanicus | beardy: ok |
| 00:23.45 | capu | jim, sorry about the long response... im install the Azureus client - I've used it for months on Windows, so I trust it not to harm linux |
| 00:23.58 | CasaNova | chalenged: In nautilus or you made desktop shortcuts, I press the button on drive or type eject cdrom (1) |
| 00:24.26 | jim | capu: see if it's in a debian package |
| 00:24.37 | capu | too late now, all installed :P |
| 00:24.51 | chalenged | CasaNova: my cdroms are in my fstab....gnome-volume-manager uses it too so it got an icon on the desktop automatically... |
| 00:25.17 | CasaNova | chalenged - I have them in fstab as well, but no icons :-( |
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| 00:25.39 | CasaNova | -- /dev/hdc /media/cdrom1 auto etc etc |
| 00:25.40 | jim | capu: ok, but here's the thing... can't ask about problems with it here... it's not supported to install stuff outside of debian (too hard, too much info, too many people here) |
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| 00:25.47 | jim | so it's really a scaling issue |
| 00:26.26 | chalenged | CasaNova: hmm perhaps you should investigate gnome-volume-manager and see if theres something you disabled or wasnt quite right? its probably whats doing the cd thing at a guess...does it do it from a clean boot to a kde/xfce/terminal/ not gnome? |
| 00:26.46 | capu | oh, jim, I asked about "Installing a .tar.bz2 file"... nothing in specific with it's content.... I was hoping for a command :) |
| 00:26.56 | jim | what's really needed here is a paid support section |
| 00:27.06 | shingouz | jim: agreed |
| 00:27.09 | jim | capu: and you got that |
| 00:27.19 | CasaNova | hmm not sure I have gdm enabled and am in gnome now. I am not sure about not being in gnome (to console only.) I'll check out gnome-vol-mgr |
| 00:27.26 | capu | i know |
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| 00:27.29 | capu | :) |
| 00:27.32 | capu | and im greatful |
| 00:27.33 | chalenged | ill take alsa issues for 500 thx alex.... |
| 00:27.35 | shingouz | capu: most of the stuff you get as tarballs is source code, you need to compile it. read the readmes on the stuff |
| 00:27.41 | beardy | capu: Always look if a program is already packaged. |
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| 00:28.09 | shingouz | capu: what is it you are trying to install? |
| 00:28.20 | jim | capu: there's a really good way to reconcile that... and that's to look at the docs of the command you've used and find out all the stuff it can do |
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| 00:28.51 | mhall | g'day all |
| 00:28.51 | jim | so info tar, info bzip2 (and info gzip, not involved here, but could be useful later) |
| 00:28.59 | jim | hi mhall |
| 00:29.06 | capu | i've gotten it install now... I was trying to use a .tar.bz2 file |
| 00:29.07 | mhall | How do I create a handler for process signals in C? |
| 00:29.38 | jim | mhall: you write a function to do the handling, then you make a call to register it |
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| 00:30.02 | mhall | jim: what is the registration function named |
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| 00:30.44 | Diablo-D3 | Microsoft spams IRC networks: http://shadowconflict.blogspot.com/2005/06/microsoft-spams-spanish-irc-network.html |
| 00:30.45 | mhall | Also, is it possible to have more than one entry point to a single C function? |
| 00:30.50 | jmstacey_ | my situation - I upgraded from woody to sarge and restarted unaware that a new version of lilo had been introduced so now my box isn't booting and the boot disk I have isn't working. Where can I fetch everything to create a new boot disk for sarge on windows and then have it load my existing installation instead of trying to do an installation? |
| 00:30.59 | Diablo-D3 | says linux is bad |
| 00:31.01 | jim | mhall: signal? se.ect? |
| 00:31.21 | jim | Diablo-D3: so don't tell us, otherwise you're helping them |
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| 00:32.05 | caphuso | mhall: #c |
| 00:32.09 | caphuso | or maybe ##c |
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| 00:32.15 | caphuso | definitely not #debian |
| 00:32.26 | beardy | jmstacey_: What kind of boot disk do you have? |
| 00:33.39 | jmstacey_ | beardy: One for woody (rescue disk), but it's not readable/bootable. I don't get passed the bios saying instert a bootable disk |
| 00:33.39 | jim | mhall: no |
| 00:33.50 | jim | not possible to have multiple entry points |
| 00:34.05 | beardy | If there is a new version of lilo in sarge, and it doesn't get run when updating, has it been reported by anyone? |
| 00:34.21 | jim | mhall: but you can get something like it (in order to get what you want) by factoring |
| 00:34.50 | stew | beardy: /msg dpkg bts |
| 00:34.53 | jmstacey_ | beardy: Well I don't know that for a fact, just what I've been told. Upon rebooting I only get "LI" which means the disk is to big, but it was working just fine before the upgrade |
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| 00:35.08 | beardy | stew: .. |
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| 00:37.39 | petemc | jmstacey_: likely you just need to boot with a rescue disk, chroot, and run lilo again |
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| 00:41.25 | emRick | I installed xmms_sndfile to get ADPCM files to play. Anyway, but I get a choppy sound even though the command ``play'' will play these files just fine. Any suggestions to get xmms_sndfile working? |
| 00:41.36 | jmstacey_ | petemc: That's what streuner suggested, but I need to make another rescue disk from windows since my current one isn't working. So I'm trying to track down the necassary files (without downloading the sarge iso's) |
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| 00:42.11 | petemc | jmstacey_: the cd you used to install is good enough |
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| 00:42.26 | beardy | jmstacey_: Use any install cd or livecd. |
| 00:42.36 | jmstacey_ | petemc: just pop it in and boot up? |
| 00:42.51 | petemc | jmstacey_: yup, alt f2 to a shell |
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| 00:43.39 | jmstacey_ | petemc: hmm, unfortunately I tossed it awhile back since it became outdated. |
| 00:44.26 | k-man | i want to restrict access to awk on my system |
| 00:44.34 | petemc | jmstacey_: the computer you're using to talk to me now, does it have a cd writer or flopp drive? |
| 00:44.37 | caphuso | k-man: huh? |
| 00:44.40 | petemc | +y |
| 00:44.51 | jmstacey_ | petemc: both |
| 00:45.07 | petemc | jmstacey_: so download an iso |
| 00:45.08 | tomb0y | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.30 | k-man | sorry |
| 00:45.33 | k-man | i meant to say |
| 00:45.35 | caphuso | that's one of the most random requests i've ever seen |
| 00:45.40 | k-man | i have created a group called secure |
| 00:45.42 | caphuso | and i've been in here quite a bit |
| 00:45.45 | k-man | only users in secure can run awk |
| 00:45.49 | k-man | among other things |
| 00:45.51 | caphuso | k-man: why? |
| 00:45.53 | caphuso | that makes no sense |
| 00:46.00 | Guerin | stupidest idea ever |
| 00:46.08 | petemc | awk is a dangerous tool in the wrong hands.. |
| 00:46.08 | k-man | caphuso, for security's sake |
| 00:46.13 | jmstacey_ | tomb0y: I don't have the iso's either. I'd have to redownload them which would take awhile(12hr minimum) being on a slow connection |
| 00:46.13 | k-man | exactly |
| 00:46.14 | caphuso | k-man: uh |
| 00:46.16 | initech | awk, is like, so dangerous |
| 00:46.28 | caphuso | k-man: you're out of your mind |
| 00:46.34 | petemc | for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done |
| 00:46.35 | Guerin | k-man: i hope you're going to lock down sed, perl, python, php, ruby and bash as well |
| 00:46.35 | k-man | caphuso, quite possibly |
| 00:46.44 | k-man | Guerin, i may well |
| 00:46.47 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 00:47.07 | caphuso | k-man: what you are trying to do is setting up a restricted environment. forget it, it doesn't work |
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| 00:47.28 | k-man | i had a hole in twiki that i was running... and they used that to install a scrip in the www-data crontab |
| 00:47.40 | k-man | and that script used awk among other things to implement itself |
| 00:47.40 | Guerin | k-man: k-man blame twiki, not awk. |
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| 00:47.49 | k-man | so i'd like to secure common tools |
| 00:47.52 | caphuso | k-man: if it wasn't awk, they'd use vi |
| 00:47.58 | k-man | yes, i'm blaming twiki |
| 00:48.03 | caphuso | if it wasn't vi, they'd use ed |
| 00:48.08 | caphuso | if it wasn't ed, they'd use dd |
| 00:48.10 | Rockret | i have 764Mb ram .. do I need swap file in harddisk ? |
| 00:48.18 | Guerin | k-man: it could just as easily have used cut or head or tail or tr or sed or ash or dash or anything else under the sun |
| 00:48.19 | Rockret | use desktop |
| 00:48.25 | caphuso | stop playing sysadmin if you can't handle it |
| 00:48.28 | Phated | Rockret: Yes. |
| 00:48.29 | caphuso | Rockret: yes |
| 00:48.37 | Rockret | how much ? |
| 00:48.49 | k-man | so you think its a little overkill? |
| 00:48.52 | k-man | my plan |
| 00:48.53 | k-man | ? |
| 00:48.57 | caphuso | k-man: it's a little stupid |
| 00:49.09 | Guerin | k-man: no, it think it's completely barking mad and of no security value whatsoever. |
| 00:49.12 | caphuso | since it's the completely wrong solution for the problem at hand |
| 00:49.13 | Rockret | default installation: 670 Mb |
| 00:49.18 | k-man | you don't mince with words do you caphuso? |
| 00:49.32 | k-man | ok |
| 00:49.34 | k-man | pointtaken |
| 00:49.36 | k-man | thanks guys |
| 00:49.42 | caphuso | and using the word "solution" is stretching it quite a bit |
| 00:50.06 | tomb0y | jmstacey_: so then follow the instructions for a floppy disc image then, those are much smaller in size, even the net install cd is quite small as well. |
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| 00:50.13 | k-man | look, theres no need to abuse me |
| 00:50.19 | k-man | *sigh* |
| 00:50.21 | petemc | !abuse k-man |
| 00:50.22 | dpkg | k-man: You vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert! |
| 00:50.25 | k-man | what about friendly advice? |
| 00:50.26 | tomb0y | jmstacey: but until you get a shell to pop up, you cant fix your lilo.conf |
| 00:50.33 | caphuso | what you might want to do is check out stuff like using a chroot or UML |
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| 00:52.02 | petemc | http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/Video003.3gp |
| 00:52.07 | petemc | iPr0n |
| 00:53.19 | caphuso | oh my god |
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| 00:53.51 | caphuso | http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SecurityAlertExecuteCommandsWithSearch |
| 00:53.54 | petemc | what is linux good for, if not to play greyscale pr0n on your ipod |
| 00:54.40 | jmstacey_ | tomb0y+everybody: I got it work, yay! Used rawrite2 and rescue.bin from the woody release. After that just issued lilo -v and it seems to be working properly again, thanks for the help |
| 00:54.45 | beardy | caphuso: How long is the list? |
| 00:54.51 | caphuso | beardy: too long |
| 00:54.59 | sean_micken | is there a way to specify a file and have the package it belongs to printed back? |
| 00:55.07 | caphuso | sean_micken: /msg dpkg search |
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| 01:00.51 | rutski89 | Its constantly sucking up 97% CPU usage and crashing, then re-starting |
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| 01:09.11 | kingsley | Is there a command line tool that converts more IP addresses to domain names than "host"? |
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| 01:09.14 | R0ckET | hi |
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| 01:09.25 | petemc | kingsley: dig -x |
| 01:09.25 | osama | hi, i've installed uml and wanted to set up a script so i could start uml with a single command eg. uml, i have no clue where to start from for setting up a script and how to write one, any help is really appreciated |
| 01:09.42 | dvs | kingsley: what petemc said |
| 01:10.37 | R0ckET | help me, with acx100-souces |
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| 01:11.00 | shingouz | R0ckET: how about telling the channel what the problem is |
| 01:11.46 | kingsley | petemc & dvs : I'd like to find the domain names, or at least the countries, of 217.219.18.10 and 213.42.60.141, for example. |
| 01:12.04 | dvs | kingsley: man dig |
| 01:12.10 | R0ckET | not like forming my wireless |
| 01:12.26 | madclicker | how do i disable popa3d to alow users to leave a copy of the message on the server? |
| 01:12.32 | petemc | kingsley: with an ip address, you can get the ptr records, and whois information, thats it |
| 01:12.38 | kingsley | s/countries/top level domains/ |
| 01:12.46 | shingouz | R0ckET: you are still very vague |
| 01:12.46 | petemc | theres no way to get all a records for an ip |
| 01:12.59 | R0ckET | ok |
| 01:13.06 | kingsley | dvs: dig -x didn't work, but I haven't read its man page. |
| 01:13.24 | R0ckET | mm |
| 01:13.25 | petemc | dig +trace -x ip |
| 01:13.47 | petemc | tho if theres no ptr record, its pointless |
| 01:13.48 | goldfish | does anyonne know how i can tell in a script if a ppp interface is an adsl or dialup ? |
| 01:13.48 | dvs | kingsley: So 217.219.18.10 doesn't belong to ns-pri.ripe.net ? |
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| 01:14.43 | Carica_rio | fala galera |
| 01:15.04 | shingouz | !br |
| 01:15.04 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 01:15.51 | kingsley | dvs: whois says 217.219.18.10 is in Iran. |
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| 01:17.21 | kingsley | petemc & dvs : I'm wondering if there's a tool that parses TLDs from whois' output. |
| 01:17.28 | jim | goldfish: you'd probably have to parse the output of certain commands, like ifconfig |
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| 01:17.50 | petemc | kingsley: how would that work, exactly? |
| 01:17.54 | osama | i've installed uml and wanted to set up a script so i could start uml with a single command eg. uml, i have no clue where to start from for setting up a script and how to write one, any help is really appreciated |
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| 01:18.14 | jim | or maybe something is available in /proc that can tell you what you want to know... again, you'd have to parse it |
| 01:18.47 | aeronadix | osama, how does uml start otherwise? |
| 01:18.47 | zepeuga | i've installed k3b, and cdrdao, and have in /etc/modules "ide-scsi" and in lilo.conf "append="hdd=ide-scsi" but in k3bsetup it doesnt detect my CD-R. what should i do ? |
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| 01:19.09 | dvs | zepeuga: what kernel are you using? |
| 01:19.16 | sean_micken | is there a way to show a package's suggests/recommends? |
| 01:19.25 | zepeuga | 2.6.8 |
| 01:19.31 | aeronadix | zepeuga, run modconf and install cdrom drivers |
| 01:19.32 | gravity | sean_micken: apt-cache show |
| 01:19.32 | caphuso | sean_micken: use a sane frontend like dselect or aptitude |
| 01:19.37 | jim | sean_micken: dpkg -s <package> |
| 01:19.38 | dvs | zepeuga: ide-scsi is not needed |
| 01:19.38 | goldfish | jim, it is hard to tell from ifconfig |
| 01:19.38 | kamaraju | sean_micken: try usng synaptic |
| 01:19.42 | petemc | sean_micken: you need aptitude |
| 01:19.46 | gravity | sean_micken: Or do what caphuso said, which is far smarter |
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| 01:20.17 | kingsley | petemc: $ <tool> 213.42.60.141 would echo "ae". |
| 01:20.23 | zepeuga | dvs, why isnt needed ? |
| 01:20.31 | kamaraju | sean_micken: synaptic is a front end to apt-get. Using synaptic you can see the suggests/recommends packages with the mouse |
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| 01:20.41 | dvs | zepeuga: It's obsolete. Not needed anymore. |
| 01:20.41 | petemc | kingsley: parse error |
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| 01:20.48 | zepeuga | dvs ok thx |
| 01:20.48 | ec_ | for some reason my sound just stopped working |
| 01:21.01 | osama | aeronadix: it's a longer command that i have to use to get it started |
| 01:21.02 | ec_ | everything is unmuted in alsamixer |
| 01:21.15 | kingsley | petemc: ? |
| 01:21.21 | petemc | right |
| 01:21.32 | jim | kingsley: NXDOMAIN |
| 01:21.39 | zepeuga | but anyway, i think doesnt detect anyway |
| 01:21.41 | Pozican | Tried moving to alsa -- alsaconf couldn't find my card -- switched xmms back to oss -- and now it can't find my audio device :( How do I know which /dev/dsp it is? |
| 01:21.41 | kingsley | jim: Can you elaborate? |
| 01:21.49 | jim | there is no name for that ip |
| 01:21.56 | dvs | zepeuga: Is ide-cd loaded? |
| 01:22.02 | zepeuga | oh |
| 01:22.02 | zepeuga | no |
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| 01:22.23 | kingsley | jim: Ah, non-existant domain name. |
| 01:22.28 | dvs | zepeuga: You have to take that append line out of your lilo.conf file too |
| 01:22.28 | zepeuga | dvs, i'll try |
| 01:22.33 | jim | yes :) |
| 01:22.34 | zepeuga | brb |
| 01:23.13 | jim | NXDOMAIN is a fairly standard indication, btw, might be in dns protocol |
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| 01:23.24 | osama | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.39 | jim | osama: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 01:23.48 | jack|h | So I have a package that has an incorrect MySQL password "stuck" in it. I tell it to reconfigure and it prompts for the password but is using the wrong one. Where does it store that so i can clear it? |
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| 01:23.59 | jack|h | or is there a quick 'n' easy command to force it to purge it's config? |
| 01:24.09 | iao | hello. I have problems with svn. It seems like I can do svn update, but svn checkout fails: OPTIONS request failes on '/' |
| 01:24.12 | iao | The OPTIONS request returned invalid XML in the response: XML parse error at line 1: Extra content at the end of the document |
| 01:24.26 | jim | iao: pwd |
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| 01:24.45 | iao | jim ? |
| 01:24.58 | jim | run that command, tell the result |
| 01:25.19 | iao | jim right. I was asking why. I'm in /var/www/lib |
| 01:25.27 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know where to find regular expressions for extracting email and web addresses? |
| 01:25.31 | jim | you'll have to tell us why... |
| 01:25.39 | jim | ok, now type id |
| 01:25.52 | jim | and tell the output of that |
| 01:26.09 | jim | if it's more than one line, unfold it |
| 01:26.35 | iao | jim 0/root for all |
| 01:26.35 | jim | kingsley: normally you create them... or look in RFC documents |
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| 01:26.52 | jim | so you're logged in as root |
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| 01:26.57 | iao | jim right. |
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| 01:27.35 | jim | is the svn repo located on the same machine? |
| 01:27.51 | iao | jim yes, but it's accessible from apache2/webdav server |
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| 01:28.12 | jim | and are you accessing it locally or thru the webdav? |
| 01:28.18 | iao | jim everythin worked beautifully until I had to change repository's apache path |
| 01:28.33 | iao | jim after that it broke, so I reverted to the old path, which no longer works |
| 01:28.37 | iao | jim webdav |
| 01:28.51 | jim | ok, are you sure you moved everything necessary |
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| 01:29.24 | iao | jim I didn't move anything, I just tried changing the svn path in apache confs, and then reverted back |
| 01:29.32 | iao | jim the actual repository hasn't moved |
| 01:29.45 | osama | anyone wants to sell me their red hat linux? |
| 01:29.46 | jim | what if anything did you do inbetween time? |
| 01:30.00 | iao | jim I *may* have fiddled with .svn directory |
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| 01:30.15 | iao | jim but I don't recall what, if anything, I did to it |
| 01:30.41 | jim | iao: then determine if you did, what you did, and create a plan for precise reverting what you did |
| 01:30.56 | absent000 | i currently run kde on sarge, im downloading gnome now and was wondering how do i make the switch from kde to gnome. i read online 'xwmconfig' but that does not work, basically, how do i change which de runs at startup? |
| 01:31.23 | dan2 | hmm |
| 01:31.25 | dan2 | where is abrotman |
| 01:31.29 | dan2 | ~seen abrotman |
| 01:31.30 | apt | abrotman <~abrotman@pcp01413775pcs.potshe01.pa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12d 23h 2m 52s ago, saying: 'perry: glad i could help'. |
| 01:31.41 | dan2 | wtf |
| 01:31.52 | aeronadix | osama, make a file, put in the file "#!bash 'long command'", ( double chech the #!bash part), then make the file executable. Then type the file name when you want to run the command |
| 01:31.52 | jim | you might want to back up one or more of your dirs before you try... it may have been useful for you to back up before starting any of this move stuff |
| 01:31.54 | dvs | imposter! He's never say that. ;-) |
| 01:31.57 | gravity | dan2: Maybe he got a life |
| 01:31.59 | gravity | It happens |
| 01:32.00 | gravity | Sometimes |
| 01:32.01 | iao | jim just tested checkin/checkout at another location, which seems to work |
| 01:32.25 | iao | jim so something must be wrong with the .svn directory |
| 01:32.26 | jim | ok, so that suggests that the repo may have been damaged somehow |
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| 01:32.59 | jim | wait, what exactly do you mean tested at another location? |
| 01:33.22 | Guerin | dan2: he's in cheeseville |
| 01:33.31 | dan2 | hah |
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| 01:33.44 | dvs | No, cheeseBURG! |
| 01:33.47 | jim | ot |
| 01:33.54 | Santon | I have a problem with asteriskhome! |
| 01:33.55 | jim | it's a cheezy place to be... |
| 01:33.57 | Guerin | dvs: do they have burgs in wisconsin? |
| 01:34.02 | Santon | somebody help me! |
| 01:34.02 | jim | it does sound cheezy to me! |
| 01:34.11 | Guerin | !irritate Santon |
| 01:34.12 | dpkg | Santon: HELP ME!!! who uses cable lol |
| 01:34.15 | dvs | Guerin: He lives in Pennsylvania |
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| 01:34.25 | Guerin | dvs: He's IN Wisconsin. |
| 01:34.45 | dvs | Guerin: Oh. Right now. |
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| 01:34.49 | jim | Santon: /msg dpkg sicco /msg dpkg smart questions (and read ALL of the stuff at the link) |
| 01:34.53 | Guerin | dvs: hence he's not on teh irc |
| 01:35.01 | dvs | Guerin: I know he's lives in PA |
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| 01:35.23 | Guerin | everyone knows all the cheese clogs up the data cables such that you can't get a stable connection up there |
| 01:35.35 | iao | jim got it fixed. thank you |
| 01:35.48 | zulkifar | Hello. Is there any special traffic shaping techniques for slow links on v32bis, v34 etc? |
| 01:35.50 | Santon | dpkg Cables???? |
| 01:35.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cables is some cable layouts are at http://www.pccables.com/cabtech.htm |
| 01:35.58 | jim | iao: good job :) now, what was the problem and the solution? |
| 01:36.07 | zulkifar | s/Is/Are |
| 01:36.24 | netsniper | Is the maximum file size for ext2 2 GB? |
| 01:36.37 | Santon | jim s/ps/are/g |
| 01:36.43 | dvs | netsniper: I've had files larger than that. |
| 01:36.43 | Guerin | !bunnysmite Santon |
| 01:37.03 | netsniper | dvs, on ext2? |
| 01:37.13 | dvs | netsniper: ext3. Same diff. |
| 01:37.24 | netsniper | dvs, are you sure? |
| 01:37.37 | zamzam | do any Debian package programs play DVD's "out of the box"? |
| 01:37.38 | jim | isn't "same difference" an oxymoron? |
| 01:37.47 | Santon | jim s/eats santon's cable/asterisk/g |
| 01:37.47 | dvs | netsniper: the only difference between ext2 and ext3 is journalling. That's it. |
| 01:37.47 | netsniper | dvs, i found a posting from 1997 of someone complaingin about ext2 not allowing files over 2BG |
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| 01:38.12 | netsniper | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9712.1/0030.html |
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| 01:38.44 | netsniper | or is it a 2.2 kernel issue/ |
| 01:38.51 | aeronadix | my system doesn't play long wmv files, maybe its a ram issue, is that possible? |
| 01:38.51 | Guerin | zamzam: no, since *css is legally encumbered |
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| 01:38.58 | Guerin | aeronadix: no. |
| 01:39.04 | zamzam | Geurin: any recommendations for programs? |
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| 01:39.19 | Guerin | netsniper: old kernels certainly didn't support large files. |
| 01:39.30 | Guerin | zamzam: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 01:39.32 | jim | Santon: /msg dpkg sicco /msg dpkg smart questions (and read ALL of the stuff at the link) |
| 01:39.43 | tcsetattr | netsniper, it's an old kernel issue _and_ an old glibc issue. On recent Debian systems you shouldn't need to worry about it |
| 01:39.56 | aeronadix | Guerin, I dl file from this website, and the short clips play but the long ones don't and I am pretty sure they are all same file type, they all have .wmv extension at leat |
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| 01:40.04 | jim | Santon: ALSO read the /topic (msg bots NOT PEOPLE) |
| 01:40.25 | mwilson | .wmv is just a container... what's inside it is what's important. |
| 01:40.27 | netsniper | tcsetattr, i installed debian 3.0-r1 stable, and just updated it from woody to sarge |
| 01:40.28 | jim | I'm not even going to read the /msg |
| 01:40.47 | error403 | Hi, i have been playing around with VNC a little today, and im now all the way up to display 7 - is there any way to get rid of these extra displays? |
| 01:40.51 | netsniper | tcsetattr, how can i remove the 2GB limit? |
| 01:41.10 | Angelo- | vncserver -kill :DISPLAYNUMBER |
| 01:41.11 | tcsetattr | netsniper, in the unlikely event that you find some program that still breaks with large files, you should report it as a bug |
| 01:41.22 | error403 | Angelo-, thank you!!! |
| 01:41.39 | Fantasma | Channel #TSL - Trustix Secure Linux |
| 01:41.58 | error403 | Angelo-, you just saved my... RAM! |
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| 01:42.10 | jim | Santon: DO NOT MSG ME |
| 01:42.31 | Fantasma | Channel #TSL - Trustix Secure Linux |
| 01:43.10 | jim | Santon: I am NOT available for private support without pay. |
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| 01:43.18 | deadcat | i have a detachted screen session, how do i add another region to that detached screen? "screen -t "test" cmatrix" ? or some other options |
| 01:43.20 | netsniper | tcsetattr, if i upgraded to most recent debian stable -- why do i still have kernel 2.2? I am having issues with btlaunchmanycurses |
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| 01:43.33 | Nz17 | Where is a good place to get live Javascript help? |
| 01:43.40 | deadcat | Nz17: internet |
| 01:43.41 | dvs | netsniper: An upgrade does not upgrade the kernel |
| 01:43.56 | error403 | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 01:44.04 | error403 | netsniper, read above |
| 01:44.05 | Nz17 | deadcat: Good, now let's try being less broad. |
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| 01:44.18 | zamzam | does anyone know how to view all of the packages in a particular source link for apt? |
| 01:44.22 | zamzam | like a "view all" thing |
| 01:44.47 | netsniper | error403, is there anything i should look out for when I do this? |
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| 01:44.55 | tcsetattr | zamzam, apt-cache pkgnames |
| 01:45.03 | jim | zamzam: you could go to the site with a web browser |
| 01:45.09 | cheal | zamzam: by source link, do you mean repository? |
| 01:45.28 | error403 | netsniper, shouldnt be too much of a problem - it will keep your old kernel, so you can boot into it if the new one doesnt work |
| 01:45.49 | error403 | just make user you get the right one for your architecture |
| 01:45.52 | jim | zamzam: or do you literally mean source as in deb-src? |
| 01:45.56 | error403 | s/user/sure |
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| 01:47.04 | meppl | gute nacht - good night |
| 01:47.12 | black13 | debian has kudzu doesnt it ... is there something a bit smaller than kudzu that doesnt require python |
| 01:47.20 | gravity | black13: discover |
| 01:47.27 | MobyTurbo | black13: Debian uses discover and hotplug |
| 01:47.42 | black13 | thanks! |
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| 01:49.05 | kamaraju | I want to learn a scripting language. Which one would you suggest? python or perl or some other language? Granted it has nothing with Debian, but I hope someone would respond. |
| 01:49.22 | sour- | kamaraju use php :D |
| 01:49.23 | jim | kamaraju: tcl |
| 01:49.24 | jim | lisp |
| 01:49.26 | gravity | ruby |
| 01:49.27 | jim | smalltalk |
| 01:49.35 | jim | scheme |
| 01:49.49 | gravity | assembly |
| 01:49.49 | jim | forth |
| 01:49.54 | MobyTurbo | bourne |
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| 01:50.02 | debian | prolog |
| 01:50.10 | MobyTurbo | awk |
| 01:50.12 | gravity | Actually, I recommend just yelling at the screen until it does what you want |
| 01:50.19 | debian | not one say java |
| 01:50.23 | jim | if you want to learn asm, get really good at forth before you do so... |
| 01:50.35 | kamaraju | gravity: That is usually what I do. But it is deaf you know! |
| 01:50.39 | jim | java is not a scriptign language |
| 01:50.42 | tvn | does anyone have a quad proc machine and can help me benchmark my project ? |
| 01:50.50 | MobyTurbo | jim: beanshell and groovy are |
| 01:50.55 | debian | jim: I didn't answer any question in the first place. ;) |
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| 01:51.01 | black13 | gravity, its output looks a lot like scanpci or lspci |
| 01:51.08 | faw | tvn, ow, are you doing nuclear weapon simulations? |
| 01:51.17 | gravity | black13: What are you doing with it? You don't have to actually run the thing |
| 01:51.19 | sour- | kamaraju just vi /dev/kmem |
| 01:51.24 | gravity | black13: Just install it. It'll load modules by itself |
| 01:51.29 | debian | faw: 8| |
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| 01:51.46 | tvn | faw: no, but it's heuristic search kinda thing and I put some paralleling code in there too see if it helps speed up ... |
| 01:51.46 | dvs | he's back! |
| 01:51.57 | faw | debian, <tvn> does anyone have a quad proc machine and can help me benchmark my project ? |
| 01:51.57 | shingouz | !wb abrotman |
| 01:51.58 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman has returned! |
| 01:52.01 | jim | abrotman: dan2 was looking for you before, about 10 mins ago |
| 01:52.12 | faw | tvn, ahhh :) |
| 01:52.13 | abrotman | i was in WI |
| 01:52.14 | black13 | gravity, i want to see if the i am running inside vmware , if i am i want to load the appropriate xconfig |
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| 01:52.16 | debian | tvn: so that's something like explosion simulation... |
| 01:52.17 | prodope | user uucp was removed on a system i'm working on... how would i add it back with it's proper uid and permissions? |
| 01:52.18 | dvs | How's cheeseville? |
| 01:52.21 | abrotman | a simple !seen abrotman would have said so :) |
| 01:52.23 | debian | faw: 8O |
| 01:52.23 | prodope | (for exim) |
| 01:52.26 | prodope | exim4 |
| 01:52.30 | jim | he did that |
| 01:52.46 | abrotman | shingouz: thanks |
| 01:52.50 | shingouz | :) |
| 01:52.52 | jim | but that doesn't change the fact he's looking for you :P |
| 01:52.56 | tvn | debian: no, it's ant stuffs , artificial ants to solve graph problem |
| 01:53.00 | abrotman | jim: he found me |
| 01:53.05 | jim | good :) |
| 01:53.05 | zamzam | jim: sorry about that, I meant to show an alphabetical list of the packages in the repository |
| 01:53.07 | abrotman | who knows thier cheese? |
| 01:53.26 | jim | zamzam: write a program to do that |
| 01:53.28 | dvs | abrotman: No, it said: abrotman <~abrotman@pcp01413775pcs.potshe01.pa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12d 23h 2m 52s ago, saying: 'perry: glad i could help'. |
| 01:53.40 | zamzam | jim: lol I thought there was a command to do that |
| 01:53.41 | abrotman | dvs: reallly ? |
| 01:53.47 | dvs | abrotman: Yup |
| 01:53.48 | abrotman | dvs: last thing i did was /me goes to WI |
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| 01:54.05 | sour- | http://www.packetstormsecurity.com/unix-humor/unixoid_hell.gif <- hahaha |
| 01:54.10 | goldfish | kamaraju, perl |
| 01:54.15 | osama | how do i make a file executable, just add an exe extension? thanks |
| 01:54.18 | jim | zamzam: you're asking for something quite specific... a -sorted- list of -package names- |
| 01:54.24 | abrotman | osama: man chmod |
| 01:54.27 | dvs | osama: chmod a+x <file> |
| 01:54.42 | jim | there might be a command that does this... but if there is not, you'll have to write one |
| 01:54.47 | debian | tvn: bomb the ants? you.... |
| 01:54.55 | gravity | kamaraju: Honestly, either shell, python, or ruby, depending on your needs and how your brain works |
| 01:54.57 | prodope | user uucp was removed on a system i'm working on... how would i add it back with it's proper uid and permissions? |
| 01:55.17 | sour- | prodope do you know it's uid and gid? |
| 01:55.20 | mentor | zamzam: dpkg -l \* | grep ^ii | cut foo | sort? |
| 01:55.21 | tvn | debian: ant colony .... no bombing involved :P |
| 01:55.43 | sour- | just adduser it, and edit /etc/passwd manually. |
| 01:55.48 | jim | kamaraju: squeak |
| 01:55.50 | debian | tvn: seriously, if your project is interesting enough. You could ask IBM to spare space in their mainframe, which run Linux VM |
| 01:55.54 | kamaraju | gravity: I know shell scripting. But wanted to get my head on either perl or python. But could not decide between the two. There was no webpage comparing these two. |
| 01:56.11 | debian | tvn: there's application form to fill. I forgot the link, you might want to do some search |
| 01:56.21 | nix | hmm. is anyone noticing weird stuff in regards to resolving .net/.com/.org domains? im having the strangest problems and they seem related to root dns servers |
| 01:56.25 | debian | tvn: I first read that news in slashdot. but the story is nowhere to find |
| 01:56.29 | jim | kamaraju: now you've got it down to two... you compare them, and write a report detailing the differences you found |
| 01:56.29 | sour- | kamaraju they both suck, learn PHP :P |
| 01:56.34 | sour- | php cli |
| 01:56.44 | mentor | nix: No...but those are the ones handled by Verisign :) |
| 01:56.44 | gravity | kamaraju: Well... perl is much uglier but has a wonderful library to draw from (CPAN) and is very flexible, often to the point of being a problem. Python is very ridgid and well supported and easy to read, but the ridgidness of it bothers some people |
| 01:56.56 | nix | my point mentor |
| 01:56.59 | jim | php and everything surrounding it sucks too, especially mysql |
| 01:57.00 | gravity | sour-: You are evil |
| 01:57.00 | debian | tvn: I did submitted my application, but my project was not interesting enough |
| 01:57.09 | tvn | debian: let me try to find that , hopefully |
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| 01:57.24 | nix | 10-30% of my .com/.net/.org domains just stopped resolving 30minutes ago. |
| 01:58.10 | nix | NXDOMAIN on gtld servers |
| 01:58.12 | tvn | debian: I only need 1 machine with lots of processor, not a grid/beowulf like architecture |
| 01:58.25 | sour- | nix, i am currently DNS'ing the planet, maybe i broke the internet :/ |
| 01:58.41 | dvs | !smite sour- for breaking the internet |
| 01:58.44 | nix | well gimme an eta on a fix then |
| 01:58.48 | sour- | gravity i develop in C, i guess php would be good to learn if you wanted to learn a lower level language |
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| 01:58.59 | abrotman | PHP is lower level? |
| 01:59.01 | black13 | hum i say hum |
| 01:59.02 | prodope | sour-: no |
| 01:59.09 | dvs | yeah? PHP is lower level? |
| 01:59.12 | sour- | abrotman i ment if youw anted to move to C |
| 01:59.12 | prodope | sour-: i was hoping someone could tell me |
| 01:59.14 | abrotman | not that i'm saying PHP is bad .. but PHP is a lower level lanaguage? |
| 01:59.22 | gravity | sour-: PHP is evil |
| 01:59.23 | jim | forth is lower level |
| 01:59.25 | gravity | evil evil evil |
| 01:59.28 | abrotman | PHP isn't evil |
| 01:59.35 | sour- | gravity better than .asp :P |
| 01:59.36 | dvs | perl is evil |
| 01:59.40 | abrotman | but .. it's not a good lead-in for C |
| 01:59.42 | gravity | Well, less evil than asp, but more evil than everything else |
| 01:59.52 | gravity | It's not a proper scripting language, no matter what the fanatics say |
| 01:59.53 | abrotman | gravity: whitespace ? |
| 01:59.59 | brightshadow | i am trying to get some help with my debian install. i get error 18 when i reboot after install |
| 02:00.03 | jim | from what I can tell from the thing some people say, it looks like php is limiting |
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| 02:00.16 | sour- | abrotman you'd get a better understanding of C using php than from lets say perl |
| 02:00.16 | abrotman | jim: limiting how ? |
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| 02:00.27 | abrotman | sour-: i disagree .. but oh well |
| 02:00.38 | dvs | sour-: Trying to learn C from PHP is very misleading. |
| 02:00.41 | abrotman | sour-: i think you mean you'd get a better feel for the syntax ... |
| 02:00.49 | gravity | Yeah, no kidding |
| 02:00.57 | gravity | sour-: If you want to learn C, just learn C |
| 02:01.00 | gravity | There's no trick to it |
| 02:01.04 | abrotman | well .. there is |
| 02:01.06 | cheal | brightshadow: you're installing sarge? |
| 02:01.09 | abrotman | it involves a drinking habit :) |
| 02:01.11 | brightshadow | yes |
| 02:01.13 | sour- | true, i am going from C to some php |
| 02:01.21 | cheal | brightshadow: would that be a grub error number? |
| 02:01.22 | jim | you'd get a better understanding of the underlying concepts of C and asm with forth... (-not- the details of syntax, the -concepts-) |
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| 02:01.43 | jim | I doubt you'd get anything of the kind with php |
| 02:01.44 | tvn | debian: do you remember some distinct keywords for that IBM application so I kind search for it? |
| 02:02.00 | brightshadow | yes that is correct, i have tried everything on the help sites but nothing works |
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| 02:02.06 | abrotman | the syntax of PHP and C can be made to look similar .. but that's where it ends :)_ |
| 02:02.19 | cheal | brightshadow: so you know what GRUB error 18 means? |
| 02:02.22 | WiFiTux | how can I kill a user logged into the box? shows up under who. |
| 02:02.28 | abrotman | tvn: what kind of app ? |
| 02:02.33 | nix | >>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:22:07 EDT <<<. thats some 4 to 5 hours ago, right? |
| 02:02.38 | abrotman | WiFiTux: kill his shell |
| 02:02.45 | kamaraju | gravity: Thanks for the reply. I will try my hand on python. |
| 02:02.49 | tcsetattr | I checked several domains and didn't find any unexpected problems, nix |
| 02:02.52 | abrotman | nix: that's 40 minutes ago |
| 02:02.54 | WiFiTux | abrotman: came in the GUI, else I would have. |
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| 02:02.56 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: apt-get install slay |
| 02:02.59 | tvn | abrotman: application to get access to IBM multiproc computer |
| 02:03.01 | nix | abrotman: shit |
| 02:03.03 | brightshadow | something about disc storage |
| 02:03.04 | WiFiTux | Xenguy: thanks |
| 02:03.07 | nix | then someone fucked up the whois |
| 02:03.12 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: good luck |
| 02:03.28 | abrotman | tvn: application as in? PDF ? |
| 02:03.34 | jim | brightshadow: resolve for yourself exactly what "something about" means for this case |
| 02:03.40 | abrotman | tvn: like the old Compaq test drive ? |
| 02:04.01 | black13 | launguage |
| 02:04.02 | cheal | brightshadow: 18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS This error is returned when a read is attempted at a linear block address beyond the end of the BIOS translated area. This generally happens if your disk is larger than the BIOS can handle (512MB for (E)IDE disks on older machines or larger than 8GB in general). |
| 02:04.04 | tvn | abrotman: application as fill in application and submit |
| 02:04.11 | abrotman | tvn: yes .. like test drive :) |
| 02:04.13 | cheal | brightshadow: do you have a particularly old machine? |
| 02:04.16 | WiFiTux | Xenguy: thanks, worked. |
| 02:04.36 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: makes me wonder *how* he got there tho :-/ |
| 02:04.39 | tvn | abrotman: yah ... test drive |
| 02:04.45 | jim | abrotman: ok... I'm going to actually learn some php and form my own opinions... frankly, I heard others say "limiting". |
| 02:04.55 | brightshadow | no not really its a 2001 pentium 4 VAIO |
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| 02:05.16 | abrotman | jim: dunno .. i don't really use anything but my own classes .. but it can be made to do rediculous things |
| 02:05.17 | brightshadow | sorry im new to linux, thanks for your help |
| 02:05.45 | nix | may i ask some of you a favor and do a host -t NS infernix.net, and see if you get dns servers response or NXDOMAIN? |
| 02:05.58 | cheal | brightshadow: I suppose google could explain more |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | Host infernix.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 02:06.11 | nix | wth |
| 02:06.15 | jim | abrotman: classes? it does oop? |
| 02:06.20 | brightshadow | i am doing the network install? |
| 02:06.25 | abrotman | jim: you can |
| 02:06.29 | nix | mmmine. |
| 02:06.38 | tcsetattr | you're not crazy, nix, it looks dead from here |
| 02:06.42 | jim | language support for it? or? |
| 02:06.42 | cheal | brightshadow: you're asking that to *us*? |
| 02:07.06 | brightshadow | no, that is what im trying to dondelelcaro |
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| 02:07.18 | nix | whois infernix.net |
| 02:07.18 | jim | brightshadow: how have you started the install? |
| 02:07.19 | nix | Host whois.crsnic.net not found. |
| 02:07.27 | nix | what is going on |
| 02:07.28 | abrotman | jim: you can make objects with PHP .. like C++ ... but .. different-ish :) |
| 02:07.33 | sour- | nix did it expire? |
| 02:07.36 | nix | no |
| 02:07.37 | brightshadow | is there a way that i can put in at the front of my hdd |
| 02:07.39 | nix | this is on several domains |
| 02:07.44 | nix | some 10-30% of all com/net/orgs |
| 02:07.44 | jim | Name: whois.crsnic.net Address: 198.41.3.54 |
| 02:07.47 | thorie | how do i make postfix reject the recipients not listed in /etc/postfix/relay_recipients ? |
| 02:07.52 | nix | named is working fine |
| 02:07.56 | nix | registrar whois is up |
| 02:07.58 | brightshadow | i have a 160 gb hard trive or is that to big |
| 02:07.58 | nix | registrar dns is up |
| 02:08.05 | jim | and 198.41.3.54 is alive |
| 02:08.06 | nix | (running isp) |
| 02:08.17 | sour- | brightshadow make a smaller partition, maybe 120mb for /boot or something |
| 02:08.34 | sour- | rather than having a very large / partition |
| 02:08.40 | dvs | brightshadow: Even 120MB is huge for /boot |
| 02:08.41 | tcsetattr | the whois info looks like some spammer domain with all the missing fields... |
| 02:08.46 | brightshadow | how would i do that |
| 02:09.01 | cheal | brightshadow: did you accept the default partition table proposed by debian-installer or change it? |
| 02:09.08 | nix | yea thats correct. it isnt tho |
| 02:09.18 | infernix | :) |
| 02:09.22 | jim | brightshadow: no, -but- you have to put some stuff on physically low-numbered cylenders on the drive |
| 02:09.25 | brightshadow | no, i used default |
| 02:09.33 | davem | Sid has been going crazy lately, I almost fell off. |
| 02:09.38 | infernix | i have to update that info badly. |
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| 02:10.12 | jim | infernix: but! if you update it badly, won't that be unuseful? |
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| 02:10.34 | shingouz | davem: what happened? |
| 02:10.45 | infernix | jim: yes, im a slacker. so =) |
| 02:10.49 | brightshadow | can i partition in with the seagate discwizzard ? |
| 02:10.58 | jim | infernix: it would be better to update it goodly :P |
| 02:11.02 | rr72 | how do i make debian turn on numlock on boot up? |
| 02:11.06 | infernix | its just whois info on my personal domain. getting enough spam without proper info. |
| 02:11.15 | infernix | nonetheless - not the problem. =) |
| 02:11.23 | jim | brightshadow: maybe, or you can partition in the installer |
| 02:11.55 | sour- | ok i have a 30million entry mysql database (and growing) and queries are taking longer and longer |
| 02:12.12 | sour- | this machine is going to have a cpu attack |
| 02:12.12 | brightshadow | to what size and how whould i do that? |
| 02:12.27 | jim | sour-: what, mysql doesnt' scale? |
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| 02:12.39 | jim | shock! |
| 02:12.56 | cplx | how do I re-enable my ssh login |
| 02:12.56 | rr72 | how do i make debian turn on numlock on boot up? |
| 02:13.01 | cplx | say its been disabled |
| 02:13.04 | jim | that sounds like it's getting worse at a linear rate |
| 02:13.04 | osama | what was the command to delete a file |
| 02:13.06 | cplx | when I login, it says access denied |
| 02:13.11 | cplx | how do I change it back |
| 02:13.12 | jim | which is BAD |
| 02:13.16 | cplx | like what whoudl I be changing |
| 02:13.18 | sour- | jim searching for wildcards |
| 02:13.34 | sour- | it's only a celeron 566 |
| 02:13.48 | jim | sour-: consider postgresql |
| 02:13.56 | sour- | isn't postgresql even slower? |
| 02:13.57 | infernix | there - whois info updated. |
| 02:14.03 | infernix | still no dns =/ |
| 02:14.03 | jim | and you better keep backups :P |
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| 02:14.08 | rr72 | excuse me |
| 02:14.12 | Rainman | hi |
| 02:14.18 | rr72 | how do i make debian turn on numlock on boot up? |
| 02:14.18 | osama | what is the command to delete a file? thanks |
| 02:14.25 | rr72 | omg |
| 02:14.25 | jim | info rm |
| 02:14.30 | osama | oh ya rm |
| 02:14.35 | kelan | rr72: setleds |
| 02:14.35 | torgrimt_ | jim: indexes ;) |
| 02:14.43 | rr72 | on boot |
| 02:14.58 | sour- | rr72put it in init scripts |
| 02:15.13 | rr72 | wheres that? what do i do? how do i do it? |
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| 02:15.16 | jim | better read the info page :P rm is powerful, and you don't necessarily want to use its full power all the time :P |
| 02:15.17 | cplx | Can somene tell me how to deny a particular user from logging in via ssh? |
| 02:15.19 | KerPlunk | My mirror in sources.list died |
| 02:15.21 | Rainman | what is sns- channels ? |
| 02:15.22 | KerPlunk | It doesn't work anymore. :( |
| 02:15.30 | KerPlunk | http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu |
| 02:15.47 | jim | KerPlunk: you live in oakland or something? |
| 02:15.49 | sour- | cplx edit /etc/passwd, change their shell to something that doesn't exist |
| 02:15.50 | dondelelcaro | KerPlunk: so use a different mirror. Run apt-setup |
| 02:16.02 | sour- | well..change it to soemothing that doesn't do anything |
| 02:16.10 | dondelelcaro | jim: that mirror is fairly fast if you're on calren2 or a NA .edu network |
| 02:16.18 | KerPlunk | I live in newyork |
| 02:16.23 | cplx | then it will say access denied? |
| 02:16.28 | jim | then use soemthing closer to you :P |
| 02:16.35 | k-man | can anyone recommend a video card that works well with linux for tv-out |
| 02:16.38 | k-man | ? |
| 02:16.44 | cplx | sour- any other way? |
| 02:16.46 | jim | don't make everyone pay for your bandwidth usage :P |
| 02:17.04 | Rainman | what is sns-channels ? |
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| 02:17.23 | sour- | cplx not sure, just point it to /bin/false or whatever it is |
| 02:17.35 | sour- | do youw ant them to still have ftp access etc? |
| 02:17.58 | Rainman | where can i find a log of the boot ? |
| 02:17.58 | rr72 | sour-~ how do i put it in the inint scripts? |
| 02:17.58 | jim | or better yet, keep a local package mirror, especially if there's a large group of folks using debian in your local area |
| 02:17.58 | sour- | Rainman type dmesg |
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| 02:18.07 | Rainman | dmesg |
| 02:18.08 | brightshadow | GRUB error 18 Help, how do i resolve? |
| 02:18.08 | sour- | rr72 i think they live in /etc/rc.d/ under debian |
| 02:18.25 | jim | brightshadow: first need to figure out what 18 means |
| 02:18.32 | rr72 | is there a how-to to make numlock on at boot? |
| 02:18.36 | brightshadow | Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS |
| 02:18.51 | sour- | rr72 use that command that someone mentioned earlier, setleds or whatever |
| 02:18.56 | jim | brightshadow: no, -but- you have to put some stuff on physically low-numbered cylenders on the drive |
| 02:19.04 | rr72 | i don't know that cmd |
| 02:19.11 | tcsetattr | rr72 how many keypresses will you waste researching this problem? more than the total number of times your debian box will reboot for the rest of its life? if so, you're not "winning". |
| 02:19.12 | sour- | google it |
| 02:19.13 | dvs | brightshadow: 160GB drive, right? |
| 02:19.15 | jim | brightshadow: is this drive only for linux? |
| 02:19.20 | sour- | tcsetattr hahahaha |
| 02:19.23 | brightshadow | i am new to linux, |
| 02:19.36 | rr72 | what is the daomon for ntp on debian? |
| 02:19.44 | brightshadow | what do you mean by that |
| 02:19.47 | jim | ntpd m,aybe? :) |
| 02:19.48 | brightshadow | ya |
| 02:19.53 | sour- | brightshadow that's not a linux error |
| 02:20.00 | rr72 | i can't apt get it |
| 02:20.00 | brightshadow | 160 gb drive is correct |
| 02:20.07 | jim | brightshadow: all for linux? |
| 02:20.12 | sour- | rr72 find what package it belongs to |
| 02:20.23 | infernix | well. for what i can see, my domain was simply removed from the root dns servers list. |
| 02:20.27 | rr72 | how do i do that? |
| 02:20.32 | jim | no windows, no macos, no nothing else? |
| 02:20.34 | infernix | not expired, dns is up. dig doesnt point to any servers. |
| 02:20.34 | sour- | infernix is it back |
| 02:20.42 | brightshadow | yes sir, i want to put my mythtv on it to |
| 02:20.45 | infernix | try dig. |
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| 02:20.58 | sour- | rr72 google it, i honnestly don't know, search for setleds, could even be some project on freshmeat, i don't know |
| 02:21.01 | jim | what's mythtv again |
| 02:21.09 | infernix | just points to verisign gtld. no reference to the dns servers at enom. |
| 02:21.09 | jim | !mythtv |
| 02:21.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, mythtv is software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. http://www. mythtv.org, Sid/Sarge and woody packages can be found at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ ...apt-get install mythtv-suite. see <bttv> and I<ivtv> for tuner card drivers |
| 02:21.26 | rr72 | how do i search for ntpd in a package? |
| 02:21.28 | jim | oh! |
| 02:21.35 | jim | daddy wants :) |
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| 02:21.39 | kelan | rr72: you can search package descriptions with 'apt-cache search <keyword>' |
| 02:21.44 | brightshadow | its like a free tivo |
| 02:21.55 | jim | rr72: try ntpd-simple |
| 02:22.02 | jim | or ntp-simple |
| 02:22.08 | jim | it's one of those |
| 02:22.08 | osama | i'm trying to use the bash command, i put in #!bash 'long command' in a file and made that executable, and then run the file name, but it tells me this command (the file name) doesn't exist |
| 02:22.09 | CasaNova | oooh ! This makes me so mad - I paid for the CD but can;t play it! I have been readin for about 50 minutes about why I can't play my new Shakira cd on my PC! Man what a croc! |
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| 02:22.17 | rr72 | no such thing |
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| 02:22.32 | Dimitri | #debian-es |
| 02:22.35 | sour- | osama you need the full length, #!/bin/bash then you need to chmod 755 <file> |
| 02:22.41 | kelan | rr72: search for it with the command i just told you about |
| 02:22.42 | WiFiTux | apt: hello |
| 02:22.43 | apt | Howdy Bub |
| 02:22.43 | sour- | then just ./file |
| 02:22.54 | kelan | rr72: stop making other people do all your work and LEARN something |
| 02:22.57 | jim | osama: the #! thing selects the PROGRAM (like bash or perl or whatever) that will be used to INTERPRET your SCRIPT |
| 02:23.05 | brightshadow | dvs: do i just partition my disc to less that 137GB |
| 02:23.08 | sour- | brb i need to dc |
| 02:23.14 | dvs | brightshadow: You have to |
| 02:23.24 | rr72 | BlueShift~ whats up? |
| 02:23.24 | dvs | brightshadow: Or update your BIOS |
| 02:23.28 | jim | brightshadow: you need a partition that's close to the beginning of the drive |
| 02:23.39 | KerPlunk | Anyone have sid lines from their sources.list they can dump in my pm to save me some time? |
| 02:23.41 | davem | osama: You didn't buy a cd. |
| 02:23.55 | Guerin | KerPlunk: no. Don't run sid. |
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| 02:24.02 | brightshadow | DVS: do you think that is why i getgrub error 18 |
| 02:24.02 | davem | CasaNova: That last thing was for you. |
| 02:24.11 | dvs | brightshadow: Yes. |
| 02:24.23 | osama | sour: do i also need to make the file executable besides chmod 755? |
| 02:24.27 | Cyano-Mobile | Anyone know where I can get an Intel 855 driver for xfree86? |
| 02:24.38 | WiFiTux | Cyano-Mobile: of course |
| 02:24.46 | jim | KerPlunk: or if you do and problems come up... you'd be on your own to solve them... one advantage: you'll learn fast and become indepenedent and learn to read faster :P |
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| 02:24.57 | R0ckET | hi |
| 02:24.57 | jim | ok, so that's three advantages :P |
| 02:25.07 | KerPlunk | Guerin: I already run sid |
| 02:25.08 | brightshadow | DVS; thanks. so i can use the segate discwizzard to partition and then reinstall and it should work |
| 02:25.11 | rr72 | how do i set my dns to my router? to get an internal hostname |
| 02:25.12 | KerPlunk | I've been running it for 6 months |
| 02:25.12 | Cyano-Mobile | WiFiTux: Where? |
| 02:25.22 | KerPlunk | People told me not to run it...broken packages what not |
| 02:25.23 | dvs | brightshadow: It should |
| 02:25.26 | KerPlunk | But the thing is stable as hell |
| 02:25.27 | Guerin | KerPlunk: then why is it so hard? |
| 02:25.29 | KerPlunk | I've never had a problem. |
| 02:25.32 | KerPlunk | It's not |
| 02:25.35 | Guerin | KerPlunk: famous last words |
| 02:25.37 | KerPlunk | I just don't want to open a browser |
| 02:25.40 | WiFiTux | Cyano-Mobile: here |
| 02:25.55 | jim | KerPlunk: why would you open a browser? |
| 02:25.56 | brightshadow | ill give that a try, |
| 02:26.14 | thorie | can someone help me with postfix? |
| 02:26.22 | shivraj | can I add icons in blackbox ? |
| 02:26.26 | jim | there might be a #postfix here |
| 02:26.31 | thorie | it's dead |
| 02:26.36 | rr72 | how do i set my dns to my router? to get an internal hostname? |
| 02:26.39 | KerPlunk | o, apt-setup |
| 02:26.40 | KerPlunk | nevermind |
| 02:26.53 | shivraj | I mean openbox |
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| 02:27.08 | jim | rr72: does your router do dhcp? |
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| 02:27.12 | rr72 | yes |
| 02:27.13 | Cyano-Mobile | WiFiTux, where is here? |
| 02:27.28 | R0ckET | somebody has a wireless dwl-650+ |
| 02:27.37 | Guerin | thorie: #postfix has good people in it. Just wait. |
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| 02:27.40 | Rainman | when I boot I see info scrolling.. sometimes it is so fast i cant read, where can i find a log for that.. I need to know what the rror msgs where about |
| 02:27.41 | Cyano-Mobile | WiFiTux, Do you have a url? |
| 02:27.45 | rr72 | when i try to go to my box which has appache i get a real site |
| 02:27.54 | zamzam | is there a way to take a screenshot from the terminal? |
| 02:27.56 | rr72 | if i type ip i get it |
| 02:28.08 | jim | so tell its dhcp server to pass out its own IP for dns server address, and search suffix for your domain |
| 02:28.08 | brightshadow | how do i dual boot linux and xp? |
| 02:28.14 | cheal | Rainman: dmesg/bootlogd |
| 02:28.32 | Rainman | cheal i used dmesg it didnt give the same screen |
| 02:28.46 | jim | brightshadow: I thought you said the whole drive would be for linux... |
| 02:28.49 | shivraj | anyone use icewm ? |
| 02:28.57 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 02:28.57 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:29.01 | cheal | Rainman: did you try bootlogd? |
| 02:29.04 | WiFiTux | Cyano-Mobile: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select the intel driver |
| 02:29.12 | jim | I don't not use it too! |
| 02:29.14 | rr72 | jim~ what? i don't have to do anything on my SuSE box |
| 02:29.24 | Rainman | is it a command it wont work with me maybe i should install it ? |
| 02:29.27 | cheal | brightshadow: you install redmond; you install linux |
| 02:29.35 | jim | rr72: you can edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:29.36 | distempr-o_O | bit of a small problem... how do I make debian think it's a different arch? |
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| 02:29.41 | jim | and/or |
| 02:29.43 | cheal | !tell Rainman about bootlogd |
| 02:29.52 | jim | you can tell your dhcp server to provide it |
| 02:29.53 | osama | okay, i put in "#!/bin/bash 'long command'" in a file, then did "chmod 755 <filename>", but when i run the file it says no such command found :( |
| 02:30.12 | Rainman | thanks cheal |
| 02:30.16 | rr72 | i don't have access to my router |
| 02:30.20 | Guerin | osama: ./command |
| 02:30.21 | Cyano-Mobile | WiFiTux: the xfree86 that is with debian testing don't have it. |
| 02:30.34 | shivraj | Guerin : what do u use ? |
| 02:30.35 | rr72 | i don't need it cause my SuSE box did nothing |
| 02:30.36 | jim | osama: put the long command thing on separate line without quotes |
| 02:30.39 | WiFiTux | Cyano-Mobile: heh, right. i810! |
| 02:30.40 | Guerin | distempr-o_O: why would you? |
| 02:30.46 | shivraj | I am looking at some screenshots and it looks pretty nice |
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| 02:31.17 | Guerin | shivraj: whatever i feel like. nowadays it's evilwm, but e17 looks super shiny, if only it would actually die when you kill X |
| 02:31.25 | distempr-o_O | Guerin, I have an amd64 where I couldn't use the regular d-i for a cd install, therefore I had to use a floppy install... which is i386 only (no amd64 bitness)... now I want it to dist-upgrade to the "real" arch. |
| 02:31.32 | jim | osama: normally I'd compare you with bin laden... but then I know a cool programmer named uday :) |
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| 02:31.49 | sour- | that was weird |
| 02:31.53 | rutski89 | jim: is that you on the debian mailing list with a keyboard issue? |
| 02:31.59 | jim | no |
| 02:32.02 | Guerin | distempr-o_O: you'll need to do a chroot install, and use the chroot and kernel as default. |
| 02:32.12 | distempr-o_O | :( |
| 02:32.14 | R0ckET | help me, somebody has a wireless dwl-650+ |
| 02:32.18 | Guerin | distempr-o_O: but you can't trivially tell dpkg you're a different arch |
| 02:32.24 | jim | but I'm probably looking for a better keyboard |
| 02:32.39 | distempr-o_O | Guerin, hrrm, I know it's "silly" but I'd hoped there was a way :/ |
| 02:32.43 | sour- | i am using an IBM keyboard, only because it's black |
| 02:32.47 | Guerin | R0ckET: learly you have one. |
| 02:32.49 | netsniper | OMFG! ext2 max file size is 2 GB? |
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| 02:33.03 | chalenged | netsniper sounds right.. |
| 02:33.07 | jim | I am too, but to this day (had it at least 2 years) can't get usecd to the spacing |
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| 02:33.16 | sour- | netsniper use xfs :D |
| 02:33.23 | Cyano-Mobile | WiFiTux, Cool just googled and found a xfree86 config that is supposed to work |
| 02:33.27 | chalenged | netsniper i think ext3 is the same.....xfs i think youll need |
| 02:33.40 | netsniper | i just cant belive someone told me earlier to upgrade my kernal and glibc to "fix" the 2 GB barrier!@ |
| 02:33.48 | rr72 | jim any help? |
| 02:33.49 | sour- | mm quite sure i had larger than 2gig on ext3 |
| 02:33.57 | netsniper | they are so dumb, it was a FS issue the while time... |
| 02:34.01 | Guerin | distempr-o_O: well, there is. Partition your drive, install debian 386 to hda2, boot to it, install debian-amd64 to hda1 using debootstrap, customise to your liking, delete 386 partition or use it for /home or whatever, done. |
| 02:34.03 | chalenged | netsniper if it's a dvd dont iso it just copy |
| 02:34.04 | Rainman | !dpkg bootlogd |
| 02:34.04 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028 |
| 02:34.06 | netsniper | EXT22222 |
| 02:34.08 | netsniper | not 3 |
| 02:34.12 | infernix | so. can anyone come up with a reason for verisign to drop NS records for a domain, other than the domain expiring? |
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| 02:34.16 | R0ckET | not like installing it |
| 02:34.21 | R0ckET | Guerin, not like installing it |
| 02:34.26 | rr72 | jim~ any help or no? |
| 02:34.28 | Rainman | I dont have bootlogd |
| 02:34.38 | netsniper | chalenged, im running a ftp server dude, need to store some 4.5 GB isos |
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| 02:34.42 | jim | rr72: what form does your router take? |
| 02:34.43 | Dimitri | #debian-es |
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| 02:34.53 | jim | is it a debian box? |
| 02:34.54 | rr72 | netgear wire/wireless |
| 02:35.00 | rr72 | 10/100 |
| 02:35.00 | cheal | Rainman: how do you know? |
| 02:35.01 | Guerin | netsniper: why are you running it on ext2 anyhow? |
| 02:35.04 | distempr-o_O | Guerin, that's a freakin' good idea |
| 02:35.07 | distempr-o_O | Thank you. |
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| 02:35.21 | Guerin | distempr-o_O: it's only a little bit trickier than it sounds. enjoy :) |
| 02:35.21 | netsniper | Guerin, it was ext2 when i installed 3.0-r1 a long time ago |
| 02:35.28 | fuag | Hi, can anyone help me out with network finding problems real quick? |
| 02:35.30 | jim | ok, I dunno how to make a netgear supply domain name/dn server addr... you'll have to figure that part out |
| 02:35.32 | Guerin | netsniper: no excuse for it to remain so. |
| 02:35.33 | distempr-o_O | Guerin, haha, I'm sure I will ;) |
| 02:35.37 | Rainman | if it is a command it does not work on shell, if it is a file it is not there |
| 02:35.44 | blackout | can anyone explain what compat means in nsswitch.conf? I've check the man page, but i don't really understand it |
| 02:35.46 | netsniper | Guerin, what should i upgade to and how? |
| 02:35.56 | Guerin | netsniper: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
| 02:35.58 | rr72 | BlueShift~ hows it going? |
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| 02:36.02 | Rainman | what generates bootlogd? any certain utility |
| 02:36.20 | chalenged | guerin ext3 has 2 gig limit too? |
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| 02:36.43 | capu | what apt-get file do i need to unrar files? |
| 02:36.53 | pinkwerks | `df -lh` reports 33G free but dpkg can't open /var/lib/dpkg/status for writing cause there is "no space left on device" any ideas? |
| 02:36.59 | rr72 | rar? |
| 02:37.02 | rr72 | unrar? |
| 02:37.06 | rr72 | search for it |
| 02:37.07 | capu | i did |
| 02:37.07 | capu | but |
| 02:37.11 | capu | how do i use it? |
| 02:37.15 | jim | blackout: what does the man page say about compat (note REDUCE number of lines by pasting -carefully-, or use http://rafb.net/paste) |
| 02:37.18 | rr72 | man unrar |
| 02:37.20 | sour- | man unrar |
| 02:37.23 | rr72 | or man rar |
| 02:37.31 | rr72 | sour-~ i beat u |
| 02:37.33 | capu | no entry for man unrar |
| 02:37.40 | rr72 | try rar |
| 02:37.47 | shingouz | unrar. you need the non-free sources too, capu |
| 02:37.48 | capu | same |
| 02:37.49 | jim | blackout: and what is the part of it you don't understand, and why? |
| 02:37.53 | postel | rr72: unrar is OS but its crap, there is a package from rar labs (thats the rar package) in binary only, get this |
| 02:38.01 | cheal | Rainman: /etc/init.d/bootlogd, presumably |
| 02:38.01 | tcsetattr | blackout, if you don't use NIS, then don't even bother with studying the arcane details of "compat" |
| 02:38.01 | capu | shingouz, what do u mean? |
| 02:38.06 | rr72 | idk use it |
| 02:38.06 | sour- | rr72 rararaha.. |
| 02:38.10 | rr72 | postel~ chill |
| 02:38.26 | postel | rr72: im cool, sorry if it came out the wrong way |
| 02:38.29 | blackout | tcsetattr: but i will be using nss, and using ldap sources |
| 02:38.31 | thorie | anyone here use postfix? |
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| 02:38.35 | shingouz | capu: i mean you need to have non-free and contrib in your sources.list. |
| 02:38.37 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 02:38.37 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:38.41 | blackout | tcsetattr: and i would like to know what's going on |
| 02:38.43 | tcsetattr | blackout, but do you use NIS? |
| 02:38.50 | cheal | postel: did you mean that unrar was Open Source?? |
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| 02:38.54 | jim | I heard dpkg doesn't not use it too! |
| 02:38.55 | blackout | tcsetattr: no - how does compat relate? |
| 02:39.00 | penguinboy | may I ask what is the proper syntax of makedeb? |
| 02:39.03 | capu | shingouz, i dont understand that... im REALLY new to linux |
| 02:39.16 | jim | or doesn't dpkg not fail to not use it? |
| 02:39.23 | shingouz | capu: man sources.list to begin with |
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| 02:39.29 | postel | cheal: unrar is not under non-free last time i checked, so i guess its OS, rar is under non-free and comes in binary |
| 02:39.51 | cheal | dpkg: bootlogd is also not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 02:39.52 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 02:39.52 | jim | capu: what do you want to do with linux? what brings you to it? |
| 02:40.04 | capu | the fact it's not windows was plenty |
| 02:40.06 | JeffH | how do I tell postfix that the password stored in mysql is an md5 password? |
| 02:40.11 | cheal | postel: that changed. unrar is non-free |
| 02:40.14 | shingouz | postel: /msg dpkg unrar |
| 02:40.17 | cheal | postel: and unrar-free is free |
| 02:40.23 | tcsetattr | blackout, compat is _all_ about NIS. If you don't have any of those +/- NIS entries in your /etc/passwd, "compat" doesn't do anything different than the standard "files" module. |
| 02:40.25 | capu | windows lost me £600 ($1200 ish) |
| 02:40.29 | penguinboy | may I ask what is the proper syntax of makedeb? |
| 02:40.33 | jim | capu: so you're looking to escape windows |
| 02:40.33 | rr72 | lost? |
| 02:40.34 | postel | a third package, diddnt know bout that, i use rar |
| 02:40.45 | rr72 | !ask to ask |
| 02:40.45 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! Omit any irrelevant details. If nobody answers then we don't know or are busy for a few minutes. Wait and don't bug us. If you must ask again wait until new people have joined the channel. |
| 02:40.48 | capu | yeah - debian offers the best support |
| 02:40.52 | blackout | tcsetattr: what i'm a little confused about is how files are consulted when files aren't listed anywhere for group and passwd by default |
| 02:40.54 | shingouz | i try not to touch anything done with rar |
| 02:40.55 | cheal | postel: not a third. unrar and unrar-nonfree were renamed |
| 02:41.01 | postel | ohh |
| 02:41.09 | fuag | I have a nf7-s2g (GbE) i think that stands for gigabit ethernet but I cant find out anything more specific about my ethernet card, i think in gentoo I used the intel gigabit drivers. Anyway, the sarge cd doesn't auto detect my network card and I have no clue what parameters to pass in when I choose a module, therefore I can't install because I have no ethernet :(.. Any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 02:41.42 | sour- | get another ethernet card :P |
| 02:41.55 | tcsetattr | blackout, as the man page says, the "compat" module includes all of the functionality of "files" and "nis", AND in addition, handles the oddball casees that the normal "nis" module doesn't. |
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| 02:42.25 | postel | fuag: any chances getting your hands on the working installation and checking the modules it used? then load them up on your new |
| 02:42.31 | jim | capu: don't depend on that :P it's volunteer basis only :P as long as you approach volunteering all the information you know about whatever situation you need help with, that makes it easy and fun to help you... which will attract more helpers, and even allow more helpers to help, even relative beginners |
| 02:42.49 | jim | capu: and you -want- them to want to help you :P |
| 02:43.02 | blackout | tcsetattr: thanks - i must have missed that part. |
| 02:43.03 | fuag | yeah, I know what modules it used, but I don't know what parameters to pass in, and without parameters the sarge install wont try to load them |
| 02:43.09 | jim | they already do maybe, but you should still meet halfway or MORE |
| 02:43.28 | penguinboy | what is the proper syntax for makedeb? |
| 02:43.36 | rr72 | jim~ any ideas? |
| 02:43.39 | sour- | fuag what you mean paramaters? |
| 02:43.48 | tcsetattr | so when you don't have any "+" entries in your /etc/passwd, and you don't have a NIS server, "compat" is just a bloated version of "files" |
| 02:43.50 | postel | fuag: what bout the modules.conf of your working installation? the params should be in there |
| 02:44.02 | fuag | after it gives you the list of kernel modules to load.. |
| 02:44.06 | fuag | cool |
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| 02:44.12 | jim | rr72: no, because I never programmed the device you have before... you have to read (or get and then read) its manual |
| 02:44.15 | Rainman | guys I dont have bootlogd script, where to get it ? |
| 02:44.27 | Rainman | apt-cache search, did not find it |
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| 02:44.45 | sour- | Rainman what about dmesg |
| 02:44.47 | capu | jim, lol, you're right... but i'm being deadly honest when I say i know next to nothing about anything yet |
| 02:44.51 | fuag | I'll go check my old install files |
| 02:44.52 | sour- | what info do you want? |
| 02:44.55 | jim | rr72: now having said that, you -could- try to move the router function to an old p2 or p3 box |
| 02:44.55 | fuag | thnx! |
| 02:45.12 | jim | capu: that makes you open to learn new things. STAY THAT WAY. |
| 02:45.16 | capu | especially about the sources.list file - i edited it to upgrade to sid, but that was done by a pro :) |
| 02:45.26 | penguinboy | thanks for the help! |
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| 02:45.44 | shingouz | geeee.... upgrade to sid... |
| 02:45.59 | jim | capu: umm |
| 02:46.06 | capu | no, no no no, we're not discussing it |
| 02:46.06 | jim | shingouz, good point |
| 02:46.08 | shingouz | why, oh why... /me needs some sleep |
| 02:46.13 | luulis | Rainman: /sbin/bootlogd belongs to sysvinit and /etc/init.d/bootlogd belongs to initscripts package |
| 02:46.14 | Rainman | dmseg only returns hardware resolution phase messages |
| 02:46.25 | jim | capu: if you don't know linux, you should NOT be running sid. |
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| 02:46.30 | Rainman | i neeed the log of the screen that scrolls during booting |
| 02:46.37 | capu | why not? lol |
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| 02:46.50 | jim | capu: because you LOSE SUPPORT HERE if you do. |
| 02:46.50 | shingouz | !tell capu about sid faq |
| 02:46.55 | Rainman | good |
| 02:46.58 | Rainman | i will install it |
| 02:46.59 | shingouz | capu: read and weep what dpkg told you |
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| 02:47.28 | rr72 | jim~ to much hassle |
| 02:47.42 | capu | :S |
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| 02:48.02 | jim | rr72: to do which part? |
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| 02:48.11 | rr72 | make it a box |
| 02:48.14 | sphinx | Hi, what's the package for manpages like man fgets ? |
| 02:48.19 | tcsetattr | manpages-dev |
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| 02:48.31 | sphinx | thans tcsetattr |
| 02:48.35 | sphinx | *thanks |
| 02:48.40 | jim | rr72: well, ok, then you'd have to figure out how to configure that router of yours |
| 02:48.41 | brightshadow | how do i resolve the GRUB error 18 when installing debian? |
| 02:49.09 | Punkcut | hi Im going to be installing Debian for the first time - on linuxiso.org they list four different flavors for debian but the help link to explain what they are and how they differ in installations is broken and I cannot find a related page - where should i be looking for help on debian? is there a wiki or something? |
| 02:49.10 | jim | brightshadow: this would involve a reinstall of debian... |
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| 02:49.24 | rr72 | jim~ its not my |
| 02:49.27 | rr72 | its my dads |
| 02:49.36 | shingouz | !tell Punkcut about d-i |
| 02:49.38 | jim | ok, then it's your dad that should do it |
| 02:49.41 | shivraj | I think openbox is too basic and icewm is too much |
| 02:49.57 | Rainman | i tried to install initscripts, it said : initscripts: Depends: mount (>= 2.11l-1) |
| 02:50.01 | jim | what part is your dad's |
| 02:50.02 | brightshadow | jim, ok i have tried. what do i do? |
| 02:50.04 | jim | ? |
| 02:50.14 | Rainman | what does this mean.. dependency falilure ? |
| 02:50.15 | rr72 | the router |
| 02:50.16 | shingouz | Punkcut: what dpkg told you. whatever you do, do not install unstable (Sid) |
| 02:50.18 | rr72 | he set it up |
| 02:50.28 | jim | actually, sorry... breaking all connections here for now... gotta go to store |
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| 02:50.34 | Guerin | shivraj: what's basic about openbox? |
| 02:50.34 | abrotman | jim: no! |
| 02:50.39 | abrotman | jim: store comes to you@! |
| 02:50.42 | rr72 | nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 02:50.43 | Punkcut | shingouz > I need 14 cds? |
| 02:50.45 | cheal | Rainman: how did you try to install it? |
| 02:50.53 | Rainman | apt-get install |
| 02:51.03 | shingouz | Punkcut: if oyu have a decent network connection you can get by with two floppies |
| 02:51.05 | jim | I ain';t putting my cc into this puter :P |
| 02:51.16 | rr72 | hehe |
| 02:51.17 | shingouz | Punkcut: or a 100M netinstall cd |
| 02:51.20 | rr72 | give it to me |
| 02:51.23 | rr72 | ill do it for u |
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| 02:51.31 | cheal | Rainman: what's the status of mount? |
| 02:51.32 | Rainman | by the way earlier i tried to install ckermit, and it said at that time, something.. now when i tried to install initscripts, it reminded me with ckermit!!! |
| 02:51.42 | capu | whats the best media player for linux, and can you get alot of codecs for it? |
| 02:51.48 | rr72 | xmms |
| 02:51.51 | rr72 | for music |
| 02:51.52 | postel | capu: mplayer mplayer and mplayer |
| 02:51.52 | Guerin | capu: mplayer or xine, and yes. |
| 02:51.57 | Punkcut | shingouz > I have a nice cable connection, I would assume then id get the debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso image and install that? |
| 02:51.59 | jim | get brightshadow to put a (approx) 100mb /boot at beginning of drive, make sure it's otherwise blank, reinstall |
| 02:52.09 | Guerin | rr72: cplay or xmms if you ust want music |
| 02:52.15 | abrotman | Punkcut: good plan |
| 02:52.15 | rr72 | <rr72> xmms |
| 02:52.15 | rr72 | <rr72> for music |
| 02:52.22 | rr72 | i said that |
| 02:52.22 | jim | get rr72 to edit client machines to point resolver at router |
| 02:52.23 | capu | i tried xmms, gotta admit, it's pretty decent.... im looking for the best ALL rounder though, y'know? |
| 02:52.23 | sour- | mplayer > xmms |
| 02:52.24 | rr72 | god |
| 02:52.34 | Guerin | rr72: cplay can play literally anything you can decode to wave audio |
| 02:52.36 | osama | plz help, trying to run a script, i put in "#!bin/bash command" in a file and then did "chmod 755 <filename>", but when i run the file it says no command found any help? |
| 02:52.36 | abrotman | sour-: hell no |
| 02:52.38 | jim | there, connections broke ::) bbl... |
| 02:52.42 | rr72 | i wasnt asking |
| 02:52.45 | rr72 | i was telling |
| 02:52.46 | Rainman | cheal : i did not get u, |
| 02:52.47 | rr72 | idk |
| 02:52.50 | brightshadow | jim: whould i set that up in the partition? |
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| 02:52.53 | Punkcut | abrotman > so thats the only image ill need for a networked installation? From there I assume I'd use Yum or Apt-Get to install everything? |
| 02:52.54 | Guerin | mplayer's playlist handling is worthless, and it's far less cpu-efficient than xmms |
| 02:52.56 | Rainman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.01 | postel | sour-: mplayer > * |
| 02:53.03 | abrotman | osama: use full pathname ot COMMAND |
| 02:53.03 | capu | by media player, I mean video files too |
| 02:53.06 | sour- | prolly coz i am still primative and still use console |
| 02:53.10 | Rainman | wait u mean verion? |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | Punkcut: apt-get .. no yum in debian |
| 02:53.17 | luulis | capu: or totem with totem-xine if you use GNOME or kaffeine if you use KDE for nice easy media (video) players |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | !tell Punkcut about refcard |
| 02:53.25 | cheal | !tell Rainman about u |
| 02:53.28 | Rainman | mount: mount-2.11u |
| 02:53.32 | osama | abrotman: what do u mean by using full pathname? thx |
| 02:53.38 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:53.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 02:53.39 | cheal | Rainman: huum |
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| 02:53.41 | Rainman | lol ok cheal |
| 02:53.46 | abrotman | osama: like .. /usr/sbin/blah |
| 02:53.47 | sour- | X is too slow on my computers, what specs do you gui freaks use to make it run decent? |
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| 02:53.58 | rr72 | !tell abrotman about u |
| 02:53.59 | Rainman | should I upgrade mount ? |
| 02:54.00 | sour- | im just against waiting 5 minutes for a web browser to open |
| 02:54.03 | WiFiTux | can someone look at something about my make-kpkg in #flood ? |
| 02:54.03 | abrotman | sour-: 486 ... 36MB |
| 02:54.06 | abrotman | rr72: i know about it .. thanks |
| 02:54.10 | rr72 | np |
| 02:54.14 | rr72 | don't mention it |
| 02:54.19 | abrotman | i did |
| 02:54.21 | cheal | Rainman: dist-upgrade |
| 02:54.25 | WiFiTux | abrotman: :) |
| 02:54.34 | sour- | abrotman cool, i just need to add 4mb more ram !! |
| 02:54.37 | Guerin | sour-: what sort of feeble box do you run? |
| 02:54.42 | cheal | Rainman: yes. why not upgrade to stable while you're at it? |
| 02:54.43 | abrotman | sour-: wait .. i was joking :) |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | sour-: what is the machine now ? |
| 02:54.56 | sour- | haha so was i abrotman |
| 02:55.04 | sour- | just a celeron 600 |
| 02:55.10 | sour- | running some 4mb vid card |
| 02:55.11 | Guerin | sour-: hahaha |
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| 02:55.14 | Rainman | ok |
| 02:55.25 | Guerin | sour-: run a smallish wm -> problem solved |
| 02:55.29 | sour- | other one was a pentium 900 |
| 02:55.34 | Guerin | sour-: how much ram? |
| 02:55.38 | sour- | 256 |
| 02:55.41 | brightshadow | how do i put a 100mb boot at the begining of drive for instillation? |
| 02:55.42 | Rainman | cheal: how about the msg about earlier ckermit thing? seems everytime i will use apt-get install it will remind me about that |
| 02:56.05 | Guerin | sour-: my everyday box is a p2-233 with 256 |
| 02:56.10 | sour- | i should just get a p4 3ghz with 1gig ram and some crazy vid card...tho i'd prefer to spend that money towards an apple :/ |
| 02:56.11 | rr72 | how do i point my box to my router for its name |
| 02:56.39 | cheal | Rainman: what was that message? |
| 02:56.41 | sour- | Guerin yeh i just putty into my linux box, use windows for the rest of that garbage, need windows for work :/ |
| 02:56.44 | rr72 | shouldnt my box take its name at the text console and be able to point a browser to it if u are running appache? |
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| 02:56.53 | Rainman | ckermit: Depends: libsocksd but it is not going to be installed |
| 02:56.54 | cheal | Rainman: your sources are probably wrong |
| 02:56.55 | fuag | hmm |
| 02:57.23 | fuag | ok, I have a working kubuntu install which is debian based, but weaker ;P |
| 02:57.23 | Rainman | why it is not gona be installee |
| 02:57.26 | osama | abrotman: u said to use the full path but /bin is on top of user! so isn't /bin/bash already the full path? |
| 02:57.30 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:57.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:57.35 | cheal | Rainman: try again when you'll be running 3.#1 |
| 02:57.37 | abrotman | osama: paste the whole file in #flood |
| 02:57.40 | fuag | how would I find out what modules it is using for my ethernet and the kernel params |
| 02:57.43 | cheal | Rainman: I meant 3.1 |
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| 02:58.14 | Rainman | but how to get rid of this msg about ckermit |
| 02:58.18 | fuag | there is no modules.conf |
| 02:58.19 | Rainman | is it stored in a log |
| 02:58.28 | rr72 | who can help me? |
| 02:58.34 | fuag | there are a whole bunch of .conf's for each module |
| 02:58.43 | fuag | and i see it loaded multiple eithernet modules it looks like |
| 02:58.50 | cheal | Rainman: I don't think so...why? |
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| 02:59.01 | rr72 | i am in need of assistane |
| 02:59.06 | osama | abrotman: here's what i have in the file #!/bin/bash mycommand, then i did chmod 755 <filename> |
| 02:59.10 | cheal | Rainman: make sure your sources are ok and upgrade to 3.1 |
| 02:59.23 | sour- | osama ok you have that, what is inside the file? |
| 02:59.25 | osama | abrotman: sorry not mycommand, i meant longcommand |
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| 02:59.28 | Rainman | upgrading will kill me |
| 02:59.29 | sour- | is it a sh script? |
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| 02:59.36 | Punkcut | shingouz abotman > ah thank you I have what I need, I shall be back when my installation is my finished |
| 02:59.37 | Rainman | i am on dialup modem |
| 02:59.42 | luulis | Rainman: are you using sid? |
| 02:59.45 | trave11er | osama: the mycommand should be on the next line |
| 02:59.50 | abrotman | osama: show me the "longcommand" |
| 02:59.51 | osama | this is what i put inside the file :#!/bin/bash mycomman |
| 03:00.01 | sour- | no |
| 03:00.12 | sour- | puyt mycommand on a line below |
| 03:00.20 | abrotman | oh .. yes |
| 03:00.27 | abrotman | i thought he was leaving the \n out :) |
| 03:00.36 | fuag | an ls mod shows a lot of things that look like they could be ethernet drivers |
| 03:00.42 | sour- | *shrug* i am just guessing what his doing :P |
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| 03:00.46 | fuag | im used to running a mostly compiled in kernel |
| 03:01.04 | fuag | via_velocity |
| 03:01.06 | osama | the longcommand is : ./linux ubdo=root_fs_slack8.1 mem=128 |
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| 03:01.20 | rr72 | im in need of some assistance |
| 03:01.20 | sour- | wtf.... |
| 03:01.21 | capu | this is going to be fun... can a *.wmv play on linux? |
| 03:01.22 | fuag | which is bieng used crc_ccitt |
| 03:01.27 | sour- | rr72 again? :PP |
| 03:01.32 | osama | i have the longcommand in the line below |
| 03:01.33 | bucky | osama what version of debian are you using? |
| 03:01.35 | pipeline | capu: Yes. |
| 03:01.36 | Punkcut | fuag > are you having troubles getting ethernet to run out of the box? |
| 03:01.37 | osama | nothing happening though |
| 03:01.39 | sour- | osama are you running this from a windows machine or something? |
| 03:01.40 | capu | sweet |
| 03:01.45 | osama | using sarge |
| 03:01.48 | cheal | Rainman: well...try upgrading mount first |
| 03:01.57 | fuag | punkcut > the sarge install wont auto detect it |
| 03:02.00 | Rainman | any I need now to get rid of that annoying msg, every time i use apt-get it reminds me with the earlier failure with install |
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| 03:02.28 | fuag | i have GbE on an nf7-s2g mobo |
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| 03:02.30 | Rainman | cheal : mount-aes: Conflicts: mount |
| 03:02.30 | osama | i'm pretty sure i'm making a syntax error somewhere |
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| 03:02.45 | Punkcut | fuag > i had a problem a long time ago with certain motherboards having a conflict between ethernet and firewire's "forcedeth" drivers. mostly on nvidia chipset boards |
| 03:02.54 | luulis | Rainman: what debian version are you running now? |
| 03:03.06 | fuag | but I have a working ubuntu install using net, so i figure since ubuntu is based of debian it should be fairly easy to get the information from there |
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| 03:03.16 | Rainman | it is a knoppix |
| 03:03.16 | sour- | osama try use the absolute path for that linux command that you're doing |
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| 03:03.21 | fuag | someone said something about a modules.conf but I did a locate and it came up with nothing |
| 03:03.32 | sour- | insted of ./linux, try /usr/local/bin/linux or whatever..... |
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| 03:03.40 | Rainman | 2.6.11-kanotix-7 |
| 03:03.42 | sour- | fuag it's in /etc/modules.conf |
| 03:04.09 | luulis | !knoppix |
| 03:04.10 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or no more debian then mandrake is redhat. |
| 03:04.12 | sour- | see what eth0 or eth1 is at |
| 03:04.13 | cheal | Rainman: damn, no wonder it's fucked up |
| 03:04.16 | osama | the response i'm getting when i run the file is "bash: uml: command not found" |
| 03:04.16 | bucky | Rainman, do you buy your underwear at kmart? |
| 03:04.17 | rr72 | !kde |
| 03:04.17 | dpkg | kde is probably a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.1. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it to #debian-kde |
| 03:04.19 | rr72 | !gnome |
| 03:04.19 | fuag | fuag@fragfest2005:~$ ls /etc/m |
| 03:04.20 | dpkg | it has been said that gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager, or a barely-usable pile of crap |
| 03:04.23 | fuag | magic manpath.config mkinitrd/ mtab |
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| 03:04.24 | fuag | mailcap mdadm/ modprobe.d/ mysql/ |
| 03:04.24 | fuag | mailcap.order mediaprm modules |
| 03:04.24 | fuag | mailname menu-methods/ modutils/ |
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| 03:04.29 | brightshadow | how do i make a boot partition? |
| 03:04.29 | cheal | Rainman: you don't even know which distro you're running |
| 03:04.35 | rr72 | cfdisk |
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| 03:04.47 | Rainman | hh |
| 03:04.50 | Rainman | no it is cool |
| 03:04.55 | fuag | lol, did not mean to do that |
| 03:04.59 | Rainman | just maybe need to upgrade |
| 03:05.01 | bucky | famous last words |
| 03:05.01 | rr72 | haha |
| 03:05.01 | sour- | fuag mm weird, try: find /etc/ -name modules.conf |
| 03:05.08 | osama | the response i'm getting when i run the file is "bash: uml: command not found" |
| 03:05.09 | Rainman | it is what made me like debian |
| 03:05.23 | Rainman | maybe i should ask at knoppix |
| 03:05.24 | bucky | Rainman, then you should install debian |
| 03:05.33 | fuag | oh I'm blocked out because im not root |
| 03:05.40 | fuag | and I can't get into root because thers no root password |
| 03:05.42 | Rainman | ok maybe later |
| 03:05.44 | fuag | this install is really messed up |
| 03:05.49 | fuag | and now my mom needs to use the internet |
| 03:05.49 | fuag | brb |
| 03:06.01 | Rainman | debian is still hard on me with its detailed questions while insallation |
| 03:06.02 | rr72 | haha |
| 03:06.09 | bucky | Rainman, /join #kanotix |
| 03:06.11 | Rainman | but i prefere it over any other distro |
| 03:06.14 | cheal | Rainman: ask your distribution, not knoppix |
| 03:06.25 | rr72 | !suse |
| 03:06.25 | dpkg | well, suse is a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. the root of all that is wrong and evil |
| 03:06.28 | rr72 | !debian |
| 03:06.28 | dpkg | debian is probably http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 03:06.39 | cheal | Rainman: don't worry, the people here will be harder if you're being offtopic |
| 03:06.42 | bucky | rr72, stop playing with the bots |
| 03:06.46 | rr72 | k |
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| 03:06.55 | rr72 | im going to debian-bots |
| 03:07.11 | Rainman | i will go ask, and learn |
| 03:07.18 | Rainman | thanx for the help |
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| 03:08.16 | cheal | I think it's the first I'm really pissed off by a k*n*o*ix user |
| 03:08.31 | cheal | bah, maybe I did as bad when I was using knoppix |
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| 03:09.16 | deepz | het guys i have two intefaces on my srever |
| 03:09.24 | deepz | i did configure ssh on taht |
| 03:09.29 | abrotman | and a broken keyboard ? |
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| 03:09.40 | deepz | one has publi ip and second private |
| 03:09.45 | abrotman | and a broken keyboard ? |
| 03:09.55 | deepz | i want to allow ssh merely on internal ip |
| 03:10.20 | deepz | i changed the list adderss entry to give my internal ip address |
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| 03:10.33 | deepz | now it does not allow me to connect |
| 03:10.37 | sour- | deepz iptables xor /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow |
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| 03:11.01 | rr72 | does debian have a netbios thingy? |
| 03:11.08 | abrotman | !netbios |
| 03:11.09 | dpkg | worst protocol evar! |
| 03:11.13 | deepz | i have not configured iptables |
| 03:11.14 | abrotman | yep . pretty much |
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| 03:11.24 | osama | k so basically i made a file, in the file i put in "#!/bin/bash longcommand", then run the command "chmod 755 <filename>", then i run the file but it didn't work |
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| 03:11.36 | sour- | osama what is in your file |
| 03:11.38 | abrotman | osama: paste the file in #flood |
| 03:11.40 | sour- | paste it in #flood |
| 03:11.43 | sour- | yer |
| 03:11.59 | deepz | sour i ahev not configured iptables |
| 03:12.00 | bucky | osama, because ./stupid_command isn't a bash command |
| 03:12.06 | rr72 | abrotman~ what does !netbios do |
| 03:12.10 | rr72 | nothing happens |
| 03:12.16 | abrotman | rr72: tells you that netbios sucks ... :) |
| 03:12.28 | rr72 | oo yeah i have dpkg ignored |
| 03:12.51 | luulis | lol |
| 03:12.51 | SPF19 | http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/06/21/010242.shtml?tid=129&tid=103&tid=17 |
| 03:12.56 | swim | what packages are needed for kernel compiling the debian way? |
| 03:13.00 | osama | here's what i have in the file: #!/bin/bash ./linux ubd0=root_fs_slack8.1 mem=128M |
| 03:13.05 | rr72 | but it works |
| 03:13.12 | abrotman | SPF19: wrong channel |
| 03:13.23 | deepz | hey guys please solve my problem |
| 03:13.30 | deepz | ssh entry |
| 03:13.45 | rr72 | there all done |
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| 03:14.00 | rutski89 | i really need help setting up my printer |
| 03:14.00 | bucky | swim http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 03:14.03 | rutski89 | can anone space a few? |
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| 03:14.14 | swim | thx bucky |
| 03:14.25 | Tenniru_ | Um... I'm having issues with my AirPort card. |
| 03:14.26 | WiFiTux | I wish kernel compilation would have a % done.. :) |
| 03:14.27 | deepz | rr72:i have pc with two interface one with private and the other with public int |
| 03:14.38 | rr72 | ni |
| 03:14.44 | dondelelcaro | Tenniru_: is it an airport? or airport extreeme? |
| 03:14.49 | deepz | rr72:i want to configure ssh only foe private how do i do it |
| 03:14.49 | plorty | I am using the sarge net install, but I can't get past loading the ethernet driver |
| 03:14.51 | Tenniru_ | The original AirPort. |
| 03:14.59 | rr72 | deepz~ i have no clue |
| 03:15.02 | dondelelcaro | Tenniru_: ask away. |
| 03:15.02 | plorty | it keeps taking me back to the ethernet module selection |
| 03:15.03 | deepz | ok |
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| 03:15.06 | Tenniru_ | I can't find any program that would configure it to connect to a router. |
| 03:15.16 | plorty | with the only option is to <GO BACK> not <CONTINUE> |
| 03:15.17 | Tenniru_ | "Network" doesn't seem to work. |
| 03:15.19 | rutski89 | plorty: are you using expert or expert26? |
| 03:15.32 | plorty | both expert26 and i also tried with linux26 |
| 03:15.41 | dondelelcaro | Tenniru_: install wireless-tools; and run iwconfig eth1; to make sure it sees the AP, then either run dhclient eth1; or set up your /etc/network/interfaces; appropriately. |
| 03:15.46 | Tenniru_ | It worked a while ago, but then my router's password was changed and now I don't have any idea how to configure the card. |
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| 03:16.09 | dondelelcaro | Tenniru_: you mean the WEP key changed? |
| 03:16.14 | Tenniru_ | Yes. |
| 03:16.14 | bucky | plorty, which ethernet card is it |
| 03:16.43 | Tenniru_ | I remember it asked for the SSID and WEP while I was setting up Debian, but that's it. |
| 03:16.57 | rr72 | i need help with netbios and debian and auto hosts |
| 03:17.03 | fuag | ok, im back |
| 03:17.20 | dondelelcaro | Tenniru_: yes... if you entered them then, it's just stored in /etc/network/interfaces under wireless_key and wireless_essid iirc. |
| 03:17.21 | crystalremo | anyone know if i can use the debian package of courier-imap with a qmail installation? |
| 03:17.21 | fuag | whats the best way to go about trying to find out whats wrong? |
| 03:17.30 | rr72 | !google |
| 03:17.30 | dpkg | somebody said google was a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 03:17.30 | Tenniru_ | thanks. |
| 03:17.54 | fuag | actually I think that i had this problem before and the full install cd didn't give me any complaints |
| 03:18.03 | fuag | i think its just with the net-install |
| 03:18.19 | sour- | fuag best way, get another network card, if youg ot one laying around |
| 03:18.23 | plorty | i tried the 3com 905tx and i just switched it with an smc card, i tried all the 3com drivers, and all the nc modules and the smc modules |
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| 03:18.36 | rr72 | excuse me fuag im in need of assistence |
| 03:18.40 | plorty | they all take me back to the ethernet module selection page |
| 03:18.43 | fuag | neg, I've always used built in ethernet |
| 03:18.49 | fuag | ? |
| 03:18.55 | shivraj | wow afterstep is pretty nice |
| 03:19.09 | brightshadow | i am installing debian and it says kernel panic, Attempt to kill init! what do i do to fix? |
| 03:19.29 | rr72 | fuag~ is it possible to get netbios running on debian? |
| 03:19.48 | chalenged | plorty: what card do you have?... |
| 03:19.50 | sour- | rr72, yes, it's called samba |
| 03:19.56 | fuag | sorry, I don't know much about debian, untill about 3 days ago I did nothing but gentoo |
| 03:20.09 | rr72 | im a SuSEhead |
| 03:20.14 | crystalremo | someone say my name please... im testing out some highlighting of my irc program |
| 03:20.18 | sour- | <- slackware head |
| 03:20.20 | fuag | and i think the reason I ruled out debian the last time is because the fsking net install sarge cd wouldn't get me network card |
| 03:20.21 | fuag | lol |
| 03:20.24 | chalenged | crystalremo |
| 03:20.25 | gentgeen__ | anyone have a suggestion for a terminal based IRC client? |
| 03:20.26 | Guerin | !lart crystalremo |
| 03:20.28 | abrotman | !say crystalremo is a tard |
| 03:20.29 | Tenniru_ | The AirPort card is usually eth1, right? |
| 03:20.30 | dpkg | crystalremo is a tard |
| 03:20.30 | fuag | the memories are coming back |
| 03:20.31 | rr72 | crystalremo~ u r gay |
| 03:20.33 | Guerin | !best irc client |
| 03:20.33 | rr72 | jk |
| 03:20.33 | dpkg | hmm... irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 03:20.38 | crystalremo | ok thanks |
| 03:20.41 | scarynetworkguy | gentgeen__: irssi and screen. |
| 03:20.54 | rr72 | !tell Guerin about best |
| 03:20.55 | sour- | !apt |
| 03:20.55 | dpkg | [apt] the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. Unless you referring to Sun's 'Annotation Processing Tool', which ... does not 'kick ass.' |
| 03:21.01 | scarynetworkguy | screen is proof that god exists and that she loves us. |
| 03:21.05 | sour- | !say !apt |
| 03:21.06 | dpkg | !apt |
| 03:21.09 | sour- | :/ |
| 03:21.10 | rr72 | It |
| 03:21.12 | rr72 | not she |
| 03:21.26 | gentgeen__ | scarynetworkguy, thanks -- I'll look at that |
| 03:21.35 | plorty | chalenged right now i have a network everywhere fast ethernet 10/100 nic card it is nc100 model number |
| 03:21.44 | chalenged | rr72: dont know about your god but mines a hot chick with big jubblies.....i have faith 8) |
| 03:21.56 | bucky | fuag, is the ethernet card a problem again? |
| 03:21.58 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: beer ? |
| 03:22.04 | fuag | yeah |
| 03:22.06 | rr72 | chalenged~ ur freaked up |
| 03:22.24 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Nah. I like screen better. |
| 03:22.26 | chalenged | rr72: more fun this way hehe |
| 03:22.40 | Guerin | rr72: you're wrong. Irssi is the best irc client, bar none. Look, even dpkg agrees. |
| 03:22.40 | abrotman | !punish scarynetworkguy for liking screen more than beer |
| 03:22.45 | fuag | I on kubuntu right now which is based off debian so I should be able to get the right command from the modules.conf but there is none on this system... |
| 03:22.50 | fuag | *i'm |
| 03:22.53 | fuag | **I'm |
| 03:22.54 | Tenniru_ | AirPort is eth1, right? |
| 03:22.54 | fuag | lol |
| 03:23.03 | ^QwErTz^ | scarynetworkguy talkin about screen... do you ever get screen freezing ? i got this often |
| 03:23.07 | rr72 | Guerin~ wth are u talking about? |
| 03:23.14 | fuag | and because of something screwed up in kubuntu i don't have root privileges |
| 03:23.20 | fuag | and don't know the root passwrd |
| 03:23.28 | fuag | just installed like 10 minutes ago |
| 03:23.45 | fuag | then found out that it doesn't use debians packages, just its package system and I was like.... |
| 03:23.50 | fuag | back to trying to get sarge to work again |
| 03:23.50 | fuag | lol |
| 03:23.55 | rr72 | can some one assist me with debian and netbios? |
| 03:23.57 | luulis | fuag: ubuntu isnt debian and it doesnt use root by default iirc |
| 03:24.01 | bucky | plorty, is it the tulip driver |
| 03:24.02 | Guerin | rr72: 12:18:55 < rr72> !tell Guerin about best |
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| 03:24.20 | rr72 | i don't even know what !best does |
| 03:24.28 | Guerin | rr72: ... |
| 03:24.30 | rr72 | i say random stuff |
| 03:24.40 | fuag | then whats the best approach, when I built the kernel module into my kernel in gentoo I never had to enter any parameters so I'm dumbfounded on this |
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| 03:24.59 | fuag | I'm pretty sure i used the intel i8932 gigiabit drivers |
| 03:25.00 | bucky | fuag lspci and see what kind of card it is |
| 03:25.05 | tcsetattr | usually when screen freezes it's because you accidentally pressed ^S or ^A s -- depending on the details, you may have to blindly cycle through all your screens and ^A q all of them to wake it back up |
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| 03:25.24 | ^QwErTz^ | scarynetworkguy dont you have freezing problems with screen sometimes ? |
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| 03:25.33 | jim | fuag: who knows, you might have to tell it things like where the card is |
| 03:25.37 | rr72 | <?>i loving fsck'n my self lol |
| 03:25.42 | fuag | via technologies ethernet controoler |
| 03:25.52 | fuag | unknown device 3119 |
| 03:25.55 | fuag | rev 11 |
| 03:25.58 | jim | uname -r |
| 03:25.59 | emag | let me just proclaim how incredibly THANKFUL i am that debian is *sane* when it comes to things like network configs. i'm tearing my hair out trying to blindly help a suse user get her atheros card working... if only she had an /etc/network/interfaces instead of the 9 billion interfaces of god under /etc/sysconfig |
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| 03:26.18 | scarynetworkguy | ^QwErTz^: Nope. |
| 03:26.19 | Guerin | emag: heh |
| 03:26.27 | JeffH | is there a command line frontend for 'crypt'? |
| 03:26.48 | tcsetattr | JeffH, "openssl passwd" is one... |
| 03:26.49 | jim | JeffH: crypt |
| 03:26.58 | scarynetworkguy | JeffH: What do you want to use crypt for? |
| 03:27.13 | sour- | haha yeh i think they use /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 etc |
| 03:27.16 | rr72 | can i get netbios on debian? |
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| 03:27.18 | jim | crypt is the cli version |
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| 03:27.29 | sour- | rr72 read what i said before, yes, it's called samba |
| 03:27.32 | JeffH | scarynetwork: I want to encrypt my password before putting it into a mysql database. |
| 03:27.34 | tcsetattr | zsh: command not found: crypt |
| 03:27.47 | rr72 | is it possable? |
| 03:27.49 | rr72 | i mean |
| 03:28.02 | fuag | jim: i guess that means its using the via_velocity module, I'll go take a look at via_velocity.conf and see if it has any usefull parameters to know |
| 03:28.03 | JeffH | jim: I don't have a program called 'cypt' on my machine |
| 03:28.08 | jasoncohen | emag, it should be easy. download madwifi source... ./configure, make, make install, modprobe ath_pci. add lines for SSID & WEP key or use wpasupplicant for WPA-PSK |
| 03:28.11 | jim | same here |
| 03:28.13 | tcsetattr | hmm... there's a /usr/bin/crypt in the "mcrypt" package, I guess that's what jim meant |
| 03:28.24 | jim | fuag: uname -r |
| 03:28.47 | jim | tcsetattr: yeah, I think that's it |
| 03:28.48 | rr72 | hey wb jim |
| 03:28.48 | fuag | jim: won't that remove my user.... |
| 03:28.53 | emag | jasoncohen: well, see, it works for *me* on a sane distro. i don't know wtf this person's doing with suse, aside from not being able to RTFM |
| 03:28.56 | tcsetattr | it's a one-liner in perl too: perl -le 'print crypt "somepassword", "somesalt"' |
| 03:29.00 | rr72 | jim~ is it possable to get netbios on debian |
| 03:29.05 | rr72 | thats what SuSE did |
| 03:29.24 | Guerin | rr72: does it hurt to be this stupid? Just witnessing it hurts me... |
| 03:29.38 | rr72 | !lart Guerin |
| 03:29.42 | bucky | fuag, if you use the linux26 option when you boot the install cd i think that will support that card |
| 03:29.42 | jim | fuag: it's good you ask about that... the response should be for you to man uname |
| 03:29.45 | Guerin | rr72: too late for that. |
| 03:29.50 | gullyfoyle | jeezgot like 12 shells |
| 03:29.58 | emag | jasoncohen: it's just this trying to rattle off configs for a distro i've never used that's killing me. and no remote access to the machine, either, so i can't just get in there and figure it out myself |
| 03:30.02 | gullyfoyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.02 | gullyfoyle | # /etc/shells: valid login shells |
| 03:30.02 | gullyfoyle | /bin/ash |
| 03:30.02 | gullyfoyle | /bin/bash |
| 03:30.02 | gullyfoyle | /bin/csh |
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| 03:30.06 | rr72 | idiot |
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| 03:30.28 | jim | gullyfoyle: how many people did you just flood that to? |
| 03:30.29 | gullyfoyle | /bin/zsh |
| 03:30.30 | gullyfoyle | /usr/bin/esh |
| 03:30.31 | fuag | jim: cool thnx I'll go man it |
| 03:30.32 | gullyfoyle | /bin/rbash |
| 03:30.33 | jim | STOP |
| 03:30.35 | gullyfoyle | /bin/dash |
| 03:30.36 | gullyfoyle | /usr/bin/screen |
| 03:30.38 | shivraj | how do I set the default window manager? |
| 03:30.38 | rr72 | kick |
| 03:30.38 | gullyfoyle | lol |
| 03:30.41 | gullyfoyle | sry |
| 03:30.41 | jim | ban |
| 03:30.48 | shivraj | I want to make afterstep my default |
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| 03:30.50 | sour- | gline |
| 03:30.54 | tcsetattr | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 03:30.58 | fuag | ah 2.6.10-5-386 |
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| 03:31.06 | rr72 | jim can i run netbios on debian? |
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| 03:31.17 | Guerin | !irritate rr72 |
| 03:31.18 | dpkg | rr72: hi every1 who uses gnome !!!1 |
| 03:31.20 | jim | gullyfoyle: you keep going after being kicked for flooding? cmon, learn something |
| 03:31.23 | fuag | I'm gonna go try booting the net install with the 2.6 kernel option |
| 03:31.28 | fuag | brb |
| 03:31.47 | jim | rr72: someone answered you before |
| 03:32.19 | rr72 | not that i see/recoll/scroll up |
| 03:32.29 | tcsetattr | <sour-> rr72 read what i said before, yes, it's called samba |
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| 03:32.45 | jim | heya, duz any1 here cuz u r using the quack plz!? |
| 03:32.47 | rr72 | i have a few ppl ignored |
| 03:32.50 | shivraj | tcsetattr : I think thats for the alternatives |
| 03:32.55 | shivraj | its starting icewm by default |
| 03:33.05 | rr72 | he mustve been trash talkin about me |
| 03:33.09 | shivraj | I think I need to set the default not alts |
| 03:33.28 | rr72 | i only do that to trash talkers or ppl i really REALLY hate *dataw0lf* |
| 03:33.44 | swim | hmm Ive never seen this option in menuconfig before: Provide RTC Interrupt... should I? |
| 03:33.44 | Guerin | rr72: more fool you. You got your answer. if you ignored it, tough titty. |
| 03:33.46 | tcsetattr | well you could have just done a apt-cache search netbios |
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| 03:34.03 | rr72 | i didnt know it would show up |
| 03:34.16 | Guerin | rr72: but you didn't fucking TR either, did you? |
| 03:34.20 | Guerin | or TRY |
| 03:34.38 | jim | tr "" "Y" |
| 03:34.39 | jim | ! |
| 03:34.53 | Guerin | jim: heh |
| 03:34.55 | rr72 | holly shit |
| 03:35.03 | rr72 | my /ignore list is huge |
| 03:35.13 | jim | hollywood people would disagree... |
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| 03:35.29 | rr72 | hahaha |
| 03:35.30 | jim | except they'd be WRONG! |
| 03:35.32 | rr72 | thats the ban list |
| 03:35.34 | Guerin | !say rr72: ignorance is bliss |
| 03:35.35 | dpkg | rr72: ignorance is bliss |
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| 03:35.51 | rr72 | great graycta is an op |
| 03:35.55 | bucky | rr72, what are you doing in here? you don't even use debian |
| 03:36.04 | rr72 | i do to |
| 03:36.12 | bucky | with a 2.0 kernel? |
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| 03:36.29 | rr73 | see? |
| 03:36.30 | jasoncohen | emag, i remember how much of a bitch it was to get wpasupplicant to be brought up with ifup. i luckily found some complex scripts someone had written. In debian i used pre-up /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant start |
| 03:36.32 | jim | that would be an ollllld debian :P |
| 03:36.41 | rr72 | no |
| 03:36.44 | jasoncohen | emag, the former case was in mandrake |
| 03:37.00 | rr72 | -rr73- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.8-2-386 [i686/1.80GHz] |
| 03:37.04 | emag | jasoncohen: i just leave it running in debian, it seems to work fine for me, but then i haven't connected wireless for a while... |
| 03:37.26 | rr72 | update ur kernal |
| 03:37.30 | rr72 | jim |
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| 03:37.36 | jim | two different kernels |
| 03:37.36 | rr72 | what was i doing? |
| 03:37.39 | jasoncohen | and wpasupplicant even has a simple config file in /etc/defaults/wpasupplciant where you can give specific options for it to use when it's brought up as a service |
| 03:37.46 | rr72 | unignoring sour- |
| 03:37.54 | jim | I was curious, that's all... |
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| 03:38.21 | jim | rr72 isn't running debian, rr73 os |
| 03:38.29 | rr73 | *is |
| 03:38.33 | rr73 | correct |
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| 03:38.52 | emag | jasoncohen: bingo, that's what i use. everything "just works". i'm so grateful to debian for that. i think i'd go postal if i had to use something else. :-) |
| 03:39.10 | rr73 | im trying to fix my debian box so oi cacnt stay on it and get help and reboot at the same time |
| 03:39.10 | jim | emag: that's what's nice about -stable- |
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| 03:39.49 | jim | you could have two debians :P |
| 03:39.54 | jim | and for the price of one! |
| 03:39.59 | rr72 | sour-~ just apt-get install samba? |
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| 03:40.48 | emag | jim: i'm talking unstable... it's always just worked for me unless i've done something *stupid* like accidentally hit the "diable trackpad" hotkey on the laptop without a) realizing it, b) realizing the box w/ balls means "trackpad". i've lucked out. i ran stable @ work though for anything critical |
| 03:40.49 | Guerin | rr72: apt-get install clue |
| 03:40.56 | brightshadow | what does kernel panic mean? |
| 03:41.09 | rr73 | bad |
| 03:41.09 | Guerin | !kernel panic |
| 03:41.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kernel panic is at http://www.kernel-panic.com/links/Programming/C/, or <reply> sudo dd if=/proc/kmem of=/dev/mem, or dunno, never seen it Aiee, killing interrupt handler!, or see "norootfs" for messages about no root filesystem. |
| 03:41.15 | rixth | How can I convert a .bin movie to a .mpg or .avi? |
| 03:41.29 | Guerin | brightshadow: kernel panic == BSOD |
| 03:41.30 | jim | well as long as you can fix stuff, guess that's ok :) |
| 03:41.35 | rr73 | jim how do i show i am running debian? |
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| 03:41.54 | rr73 | uname or kernal or somin? |
| 03:41.54 | chalenged | rixth: its prolly an iso..... |
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| 03:41.59 | Guerin | rixth: a .bin might already be a mpg or an avi. use 'file' to see. |
| 03:42.04 | jim | hold up your hand... if it's been cut off, you're running debian! |
| 03:42.19 | person | how do you upgrade the kernal? |
| 03:42.25 | gravity | !kernal |
| 03:42.25 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 03:42.29 | bucky | rr73, /sbin/runlevel |
| 03:42.32 | rr72 | jim~ what do u mean? |
| 03:42.35 | jim | you can install kernels from the repository |
| 03:42.36 | chalenged | rr73 uname -r.......have you thought about being a commentator?.. |
| 03:42.40 | MobyTurbo | person: if you need to ask you shouldn't |
| 03:42.43 | rr72 | bucky~ cat that? |
| 03:42.46 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 03:42.46 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:42.48 | rixth | Mr & Mrs Smith TC Kvcd by Hockney(TUS Release).bin: data |
| 03:42.52 | rixth | Data, not mpeg :( |
| 03:42.52 | person | i need to use udev |
| 03:42.53 | MobyTurbo | sorry jim :-) |
| 03:43.00 | Guerin | rixth: mencoder, then |
| 03:43.11 | bucky | rr73, what does it say? |
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| 03:43.17 | rr72 | hold on |
| 03:43.36 | rixth | Guerin, is mplayer in the repository? |
| 03:43.48 | rixth | Nope. |
| 03:43.53 | jim | rr72: look in your fruit mixing bowl... if you have bananas -and- broccoli, then you're running debian! |
| 03:43.58 | chalenged | !tell rixith about mirrilat |
| 03:43.58 | rr73 | GNU) 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-6) |
| 03:44.04 | chalenged | !tell rixth about mirrilat |
| 03:44.18 | rixth | !tell rixth about mallirat |
| 03:44.21 | rr73 | jim, wtf u talking about? |
| 03:44.34 | rixth | Still nothing from dpkg. |
| 03:44.35 | MobyTurbo | rr73: don't make me !u you |
| 03:44.36 | chalenged | bah im having a bad typing day...someone do that tell for me...i seem to be unable to spell |
| 03:44.48 | jim | I'm telling you how you can tell people you're running debian! |
| 03:44.49 | Guerin | rixth: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 03:44.59 | rr73 | idc |
| 03:45.01 | bucky | rr73, what does /sbin/runlevel say? |
| 03:45.03 | rr73 | its called ignore |
| 03:45.14 | rr73 | GNU) 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-6)GCC: (GNU) 3.3.4 (Debian 1: |
| 03:45.20 | chalenged | !tell rr73 about enter |
| 03:45.32 | Guerin | rr73: rr72: Stop being a fucking retard |
| 03:45.37 | osama | abrotman: i need ur help with the bash |
| 03:45.39 | person | found it |
| 03:45.43 | osama | not working again |
| 03:45.53 | Tenniru_ | Um, I'm still having issues with AirPort... |
| 03:46.05 | bucky | rr73, i don't know what you're running but debian wouldn't say that |
| 03:46.08 | Tenniru_ | In that interfaces file, do I add "Wireless_key" if it's not there? |
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| 03:46.18 | rr73 | ty for remindingme to ignore u Guerin |
| 03:46.22 | mdh | rixth: I think you're after marillat |
| 03:46.30 | rr73 | cat /sbin/runlevel |
| 03:46.30 | rr73 | ELF4t ÈÈ( Qåtd/lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 03:46.31 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 03:46.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:46.46 | jim | u did it again! |
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| 03:46.59 | rr72 | !tell jim about u |
| 03:47.01 | MobyTurbo | jim: maybe he's /ignoring dpkg |
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| 03:47.04 | rr72 | i am |
| 03:47.19 | rr72 | *i am ... |
| 03:47.20 | bucky | rr73 /sbin/runlevel is an executable.. that's why it's in sbin... don't cat it... run it |
| 03:47.35 | rr72 | i said cat it and u said yes |
| 03:47.37 | rr72 | freak |
| 03:47.46 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, yes wireless_key and wireless_essid. |
| 03:47.48 | jim | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:47.56 | Tenniru_ | is it eth0, eth1, or eth2? |
| 03:47.59 | Punkcut | ok so i just proceeded with a standard debian 2.6 install - Im having trouble booting the installation though, does debian have a linux rescue mode? - I need to dd out a bootfile to an alternate partition so that windows can boot it |
| 03:48.12 | rr73 | N 2 |
| 03:48.13 | jim | Tenniru_: you have three eth cards? |
| 03:48.14 | bucky | i didn't.. i've asked you what /sbin/runlevel says about 3 times now |
| 03:48.20 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, network-admin should also let you set it up |
| 03:48.20 | Tenniru_ | I don't know. |
| 03:48.26 | hardcampa- | jim U stfu now mkay |
| 03:48.30 | bucky | rr73, i didn't.. i've asked you what /sbin/runlevel says about 3 times now |
| 03:48.35 | rr73 | N 2 |
| 03:48.43 | hardcampa- | j/k |
| 03:48.45 | MobyTurbo | !aolify hardcampa- |
| 03:48.46 | Guerin | what the fuck is going on with the bunch of fuckwits? |
| 03:48.54 | jim | Damnit hardcampa-! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 03:49.04 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: /msg dpkg permasunday |
| 03:49.16 | Tenniru_ | I'm not sure which "eth" to set it to. |
| 03:49.17 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, you don't know what? |
| 03:49.19 | rr73 | !permsunday |
| 03:49.23 | daesotho | u suck man |
| 03:49.25 | bucky | !stfu rr77 |
| 03:49.25 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP rr77! |
| 03:49.43 | concept10 | what is the fastest way to install mambo cms? |
| 03:49.45 | rr73 | !tell daesotho about enter |
| 03:49.50 | bucky | !stfu rr73 |
| 03:49.51 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP rr73! |
| 03:49.55 | Tenniru_ | In network-admin, which "eth" do I assign the Wireless LAN Card? |
| 03:49.57 | rr73 | ur point is? |
| 03:49.58 | Guerin | concept10: apt-get install? |
| 03:50.05 | daesotho | i like enter |
| 03:50.11 | daesotho | periods are obsolete |
| 03:50.13 | concept10 | Guerin, not in repos |
| 03:50.14 | Guerin | !ope pleas hand out a collective beatdown |
| 03:50.16 | jim | if rr72's ignoring dpkg, maybe dpkg should (completely) ignore rr72 |
| 03:50.18 | rr73 | i use ... |
| 03:50.23 | rr73 | good |
| 03:50.24 | Guerin | !ops please hand out a collective beatdown |
| 03:50.25 | daesotho | except as sentence delimiters |
| 03:50.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please hand out a collective beatdown |
| 03:50.28 | rr73 | !lart jim |
| 03:50.40 | Tenniru_ | Also, in it, how do I get it to know the WEP of the router? |
| 03:50.41 | rr73 | make it host |
| 03:50.43 | Guerin | !find mambo |
| 03:50.44 | daesotho | this is a sentence. This is another sentence |
| 03:50.49 | rr73 | so i can never use it |
| 03:50.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mambo' (2): (/usr/share/gallery/contrib/mambo/classes/mambo.php) in web/gallery ;; (/var/lib/nessus/plugins/{mambo_flaws.nasl|mambo_xss.nasl|mambo_xss3.nasl}) in admin/nessus-plugins. |
| 03:50.54 | rr73 | g4u |
| 03:50.55 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, go to the router's configuration page and check what it's set to |
| 03:51.01 | daesotho | note the capitals and periods |
| 03:51.03 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, usually that would be the ip of the router |
| 03:51.11 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 03:51.14 | bob2 | you guys done? |
| 03:51.19 | rr72 | night bob |
| 03:51.29 | Guerin | concept10: probably a tarball of the site, then. I presume, since it's just scripts, it can be run from an untarred archive. |
| 03:51.29 | bucky | rr73 |
| 03:51.39 | Tenniru_ | I know the router's WEP, that's the thing. |
| 03:51.45 | Tenniru_ | I don't know how to tell my computer that, however. |
| 03:51.45 | Guerin | !beer bob2 |
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| 03:51.53 | JeffH | how do I configure sasl to know that the password in mysql is encrypted? |
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| 03:52.02 | Guerin | JeffH: it's not easy. |
| 03:52.05 | bob2 | JeffH: that's hard |
| 03:52.11 | concept10 | Guerin, my server is cli only...should I wget the tar.gz? |
| 03:52.13 | bob2 | and depends on the auth methods you allow |
| 03:52.17 | dot | 我们的 |
| 03:52.19 | mdh | strange, a chanop comes active and both rr7* bots leave |
| 03:52.20 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, run network-admin as root and choose your wirless card. put in the SSID and WEP key of the router and save |
| 03:52.20 | JeffH | really? |
| 03:52.28 | mdh | who woulda thunk it |
| 03:52.31 | daesotho | dot: what was that? |
| 03:52.36 | Tenniru_ | I don't know where to put in the WEP, though. |
| 03:52.36 | bob2 | dot: ascii, please |
| 03:52.38 | brightshadow | kernel panic after install, any help? |
| 03:52.42 | Tenniru_ | I know where verything else, however. |
| 03:52.44 | JeffH | I just don't like the idea of my password being in plain text. |
| 03:52.48 | Guerin | JeffH: you have to go $client -> saslauthd -> pam -> mysql -> client |
| 03:52.53 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, if you have hotplug enabled for the device, you can simply remove the card and re-insert it |
| 03:52.53 | jim | mdh: one would presume some past history... |
| 03:52.55 | Guerin | JeffH: or something like that |
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| 03:53.02 | Guerin | concept10: yeah, sure. |
| 03:53.06 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 03:53.09 | Guerin | concept10: follow the instructions on the site. |
| 03:53.12 | bob2 | graaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaavity! |
| 03:53.13 | gravity | Wow... that actually sounds a bit perverse |
| 03:53.21 | gravity | bobtooooooooooo |
| 03:53.26 | Guerin | JeffH: require TLS or SSL and be happy. |
| 03:53.28 | JeffH | thats why all the documents I found talked about pam.. maybe I'll pass on that.. heck, I don't even really need sasl. |
| 03:53.36 | jim | nono, it's boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooob2 |
| 03:53.48 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, if you don't have it set to hotplug, edit /etc/network/interfaces and add a line map eth1 (or whatever the device name is) under script grep |
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| 03:54.01 | brightshadow | jim: i got the install to work but after reboot i get a kernel panic |
| 03:54.20 | Tenniru_ | I don't know the device name, though. |
| 03:54.25 | jim | brightshadow: ENOBUTTERANDSALT? |
| 03:54.40 | JeffH | Guerin: do you know if courier-authmysql will understand TLS or SSL? |
| 03:54.55 | jim | why did it panic? |
| 03:54.57 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, again, run network-admin. it'll tell you |
| 03:55.01 | JeffH | I'm just trying to avoid storing my password as plain text in the database. |
| 03:55.04 | jasoncohen | it'll say that it's a "wireless device" |
| 03:55.11 | Tenniru_ | ah |
| 03:55.19 | Tenniru_ | or "Wireless LAN card"? |
| 03:55.19 | Guerin | JeffH: has nothing to do with it. your pop, imap or smtp daemon speaks tls/ssl - the authdaemon just talks to a database or similar. |
| 03:55.36 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, yeah |
| 03:55.46 | Guerin | JeffH: oh, well, in that case you'll be using PAM/mysql and crypted passwords |
| 03:55.49 | jasoncohen | the gnome tools make it easy |
| 03:55.50 | Guerin | !postfix howt |
| 03:55.54 | Guerin | !postfix howto |
| 03:55.55 | dpkg | methinks postfix howto is see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
| 03:55.59 | Tenniru_ | Should I set that up in the Network Settings app, as root? |
| 03:56.02 | JeffH | hm.. maybe I'll just pass.. haha |
| 03:56.04 | Guerin | JeffH: those discuss it somewhat |
| 03:57.13 | Guerin | oh, now rr72 is messaging me about being gay |
| 03:57.17 | Guerin | what a classy guy |
| 03:57.26 | concept10 | I want to install a mambo cms - what mysql package should I install (sarge)? |
| 03:57.39 | Guerin | concept10: mysql-client and mysql-server |
| 03:57.49 | concept10 | Guerin, thx |
| 03:58.51 | brightshadow | jim; after install reboot |
| 03:58.53 | jim | concept10: so you know... mysql isn't all that good, especially if you'll be having multiple hits |
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| 03:59.15 | Guerin | jim: do you know if the software he's wanting to use supports postgresql? |
| 03:59.16 | concept10 | jim, what about postgre? |
| 03:59.16 | jim | brightshadow: so, why did it panic? |
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| 03:59.35 | jim | Guerin: no, but it might be worth a shot |
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| 03:59.42 | guzu | hello all |
| 03:59.45 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:00.02 | guzu | what file type is this: mpeg adts (monaural) ? |
| 04:00.17 | Tenniru_ | I'm not sure if the AirPort card is eth0, eth1, or eth2. |
| 04:00.20 | chalenged | guzu mpeg with 5.1 |
| 04:00.24 | brightshadow | Jim; im not sure. i have not done anything but the network install. |
| 04:00.34 | bucky | mambo uses mysql |
| 04:00.37 | sour- | Tenniru_ cat modules.conf |
| 04:00.38 | jim | concept10: is it that you're very familiar with mysql? or would a cms solution that already uses postgres be ok? |
| 04:00.44 | guzu | chalenged, oh, and how do i play them in linux? |
| 04:00.53 | jim | concept10: do you write sql? |
| 04:01.00 | bucky | jim, why don't you want him to use mysql |
| 04:01.02 | chalenged | guzu: xine/mplayer/ogle |
| 04:01.10 | brightshadow | jim; i made the partitions like you said before and the install worked but not the reboot |
| 04:01.16 | Tenniru_ | sour: What? |
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| 04:01.34 | sour- | postgres is for lamers |
| 04:01.39 | jim | brightshadow: what kind of partition did you make the /boot? |
| 04:01.48 | guzu | chalenged, mplayer gave me "seek failed", xine just doesn't play |
| 04:01.49 | Punkcut | hey can someone tell me how to get into linux rescue mode with debian. it doesnt seem the netinst responds to "linux rescue" |
| 04:01.50 | chalenged | gazu: vlc is another option...basically any video viewer.....the codecs are all libs which are shared |
| 04:01.51 | Tenniru_ | I'm really a newbie to Linux in general... |
| 04:02.11 | sour- | init=/bin/sh |
| 04:02.12 | concept10 | jim, im not familiar with any of them. Im just setting up mambo for kicks and giggles. mambo installation man calls for mysql |
| 04:02.13 | jim | bucky: it's not acid compliant |
| 04:02.32 | bucky | so.. it's good enough for 200 users |
| 04:02.41 | sour- | punkcut, init=/bin/sh |
| 04:02.42 | bucky | and most web apps use ti |
| 04:02.59 | brightshadow | JIM: i made a 80mb, 40gb, 120 gb. that is how i partitioned the drive in the instlation menu |
| 04:03.02 | chalenged | guzu: it may be a w32 version ....try w32codecs from marillat |
| 04:03.06 | jim | bucky: and some use better stuff :) |
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| 04:03.13 | chalenged | guzu: thats where you got mplayer too yah? |
| 04:03.18 | dockane | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.29 | guzu | chalenged, who? |
| 04:03.30 | jim | brightshadow: so where did you mount the 80mb? |
| 04:03.37 | Punkcut | sour- ok so heres the problem. With some other distros Ive used booting a shell was all I needed to do, then mount a separate FAT partition and dd out a boot file from there. I cant seem to get my drives to be detected correctly tho in debians shell |
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| 04:03.50 | brightshadow | Jim; first |
| 04:04.13 | chalenged | guzu: where did you get mplayer from? |
| 04:04.31 | chalenged | !tell guzu about marillat |
| 04:04.32 | jim | concept10: then absolutely, you should try it out... but just be aware there is better, much better out there and also for free |
| 04:04.38 | syllable | ok, so i run KDE and i just installed GNOME. im using sarge and have been searching for the correct way to run GNOME, but ive gotten so many answers, is there a command to just run it and not make it the default? |
| 04:05.08 | rixth | Is there anyway to update ONE specific source? Or do I have to do my whole sources.list |
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| 04:05.15 | ec_ | how can i change firefox and gaim's handling of mailto: links? |
| 04:05.25 | jim | brightshadow: wait, no, -where- did you mount it? are you saying the 80mb is first on the drive? |
| 04:05.38 | chalenged | syllable: exec gnome? |
| 04:05.44 | brightshadow | i believe so |
| 04:05.53 | person | Eclipser: do you mean to make it go to a different e-mail program? |
| 04:05.54 | brightshadow | jim; yes |
| 04:05.57 | person | oops |
| 04:06.00 | syllable | chalenged: thanks alot, ill try it out |
| 04:06.02 | person | i mean ec |
| 04:06.05 | ec_ | yes |
| 04:06.18 | jim | concept10: look at forexample greenpeace.org... that site is postgres + aolserver + openacs |
| 04:06.20 | person | Eclipser: are you in gnome? |
| 04:06.20 | ec_ | so it can pass it to sylpheed-claws --compose |
| 04:06.24 | ec_ | haha |
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| 04:06.27 | person | ec** |
| 04:06.30 | ec_ | no |
| 04:06.33 | ec_ | xfce |
| 04:06.38 | person | no idea then |
| 04:06.39 | Tenniru_ | Okay, now for some reason the "interfaces" file has replaced the words "eth1,2,3" with "^P,uX". |
| 04:06.43 | Tenniru_ | I really need help. |
| 04:06.46 | rixth | Is there anyway to update ONE specific source? Or do I have to do my whole sources.list. I don'twish to have to spend 15min doing it |
| 04:06.51 | jim | brightshadow: ok, where did you arrange to mount it? |
| 04:06.55 | person | ec_: i can in gnome |
| 04:07.08 | guzu | chalenged, ok, thnx a lot! |
| 04:07.16 | person | sorry! |
| 04:07.21 | ec_ | no problem |
| 04:07.25 | brightshadow | jim, where should i have mounted it? |
| 04:07.32 | jim | brightshadow: /boot |
| 04:07.42 | person | ec_: why xfce anyway? small HD? |
| 04:07.50 | jim | also using which filesystem did you format it? |
| 04:07.53 | chalenged | guzu: np hope that fixes it....mpeg/adts isnt that descriptive but mplayer plays anything ive found to date... |
| 04:07.55 | Tenniru_ | Does anyone know of a used "interfaces" file I can use and change to tell it my router's SSID and WEP? |
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| 04:08.23 | brightshadow | jim; could you tell me how i should set up a 160 gb hard drive in the partition menu? |
| 04:08.26 | ec_ | person- i dont really want to use all the memory for gnome and all the services it entails |
| 04:08.36 | ec_ | prefer to get it running by hand :P |
| 04:08.38 | brightshadow | jim; i am reinstalling right now |
| 04:08.45 | chalenged | Tenniru_: normally you can set them n the router web interface.. |
| 04:08.47 | jim | ok... |
| 04:08.53 | jim | are you at the partitioner? |
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| 04:09.05 | jim | I'm going to suggest you use lvm for most of your storage |
| 04:09.08 | tomb0y | ok i dont know gui.. hah.. so yea i have kde installed.. and i just did apt-get install synaptic.. how would i find that program under kde ? |
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| 04:09.14 | Tenniru_ | They're set. I need to tell MY computer what they are so my AirPort can log into the router. |
| 04:09.18 | brightshadow | jim; i will be in 2 min |
| 04:09.22 | Tenniru_ | Right now I have an ethernet cable run into my iBook. |
| 04:09.44 | Tenniru_ | I accidentially deleted the AirPort thing in the Network Admin app and now I am totally lost. |
| 04:09.51 | jim | brightshadow: will tivo.com provide you with an account for that thing? |
| 04:09.57 | Tenniru_ | The only time I have configured the AirPort before was during the Debian install. |
| 04:09.58 | shivraj | how do u remove dependencies that are not being used ? |
| 04:10.01 | brightshadow | jim im at the partitioner |
| 04:10.01 | chalenged | tomb0y: click randomly till you find something that shows a menu then look in it?.. |
| 04:10.03 | Tenniru_ | Now I have no idea what to do. |
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| 04:10.39 | jim | brightshadow: ok, what filesystem type is the 80mb? |
| 04:10.51 | jim | and what is its name? |
| 04:10.51 | brightshadow | jim primary |
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| 04:11.12 | tomb0y | chalengedL i looked through every menu.. dont see itl isted anywhere.. not sure if kde auto updates menus when you install something via apt-get thats meant for kde.. or not, and if not how to have it scan or something for new ones |
| 04:11.16 | carcrashnights | I was planning on installing a Debian 3.1 computer for my mom. Do the DVDs have all of the current packages? Include xxx-dev packages? |
| 04:11.16 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:11.45 | htaccess | hi i need to disble a file system being checked by the checksecurity command run by cron daily, but the conf file syntax is a little confusing, what VAR can i add something like /dev/sda3 to disabale chacking it? |
| 04:11.47 | K_Dallas | carcrashnights, they should, i have not upgraded anyhting since i installed 3.1 |
| 04:11.54 | brightshadow | jim; what do you mean by name? |
| 04:11.55 | K_Dallas | (i think;) |
| 04:11.57 | dockane | that was a serios question : man echo says "echo \NNN" prints a line with the octal numbered ascii symbol NNN ... why does "echo \101" on bash print "101" and not "A" ? |
| 04:12.05 | carcrashnights | K_Dallas, I appreciate the information. |
| 04:12.08 | jim | brightshadow: look at the partitions in the partitioner |
| 04:12.10 | K_Dallas | np |
| 04:12.15 | jim | what are they called? |
| 04:12.22 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.33 | trave11er | dockane: use echo -e "\101" |
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| 04:12.51 | Tenniru_ | Does anyone know how to help me? #DebianPPC is totally dead and I can't go on with an ethernet cable running from my laptop to the router. |
| 04:13.30 | Arafangion | Tenniru_: That, is the only reason why I have not installed debian on my ibook :( |
| 04:13.31 | person | Tenniru_ : can you wtill use apt? |
| 04:13.35 | htaccess | Tenniru_, wireless dont work with newer macs in linux |
| 04:13.36 | Tenniru_ | yes |
| 04:13.42 | Tenniru_ | This is a 2001 iBook. |
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| 04:14.01 | Tenniru_ | It's worked before, but then I accidentially deleted the wireless thing in "Network Administration". |
| 04:14.10 | dockane | trave11er, i missed the " . does bahsh need them ? |
| 04:14.14 | person | Tenniru_ : apt-get install Air-port (just guessing) |
| 04:14.17 | Arafangion | Tenniru_: How'd you manage to do that :) |
| 04:14.20 | brightshadow | jim'; #1 primary 82mb ext3, #6 logical 40 gb ext3, #5 logical 120 gb ext3 |
| 04:14.41 | jim | ok, delete 5 and 6 |
| 04:14.51 | Tenniru_ | No, it's worked before but I accidentially lost the thing in that "Network" app. |
| 04:15.07 | brightshadow | Jim; to make freespace? |
| 04:15.08 | jim | and alter 1 so its mount point is /boot |
| 04:15.20 | trave11er | dockane: ".." is the general format when you want variables inside the quotes expanded |
| 04:15.21 | jim | yes, we're going to use the free space differently |
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| 04:15.32 | brightshadow | jim; ok done |
| 04:15.35 | trave11er | dockane: i don't know what it does when you omit the quotes whatsoever |
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| 04:15.53 | jim | and because we don't yet know where to mount the video data storage, |
| 04:16.19 | jim | we;re going to leave most of that space in an almost empty lvm volume |
| 04:16.30 | brightshadow | ok |
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| 04:17.11 | jim | so, look at #1 |
| 04:17.11 | concept10 | okay, I have apache running but there is no www directory, how do I do the initial apache config? |
| 04:17.18 | jim | does it show mount point? |
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| 04:17.32 | brightshadow | yep |
| 04:17.33 | jim | concept10: documentroot should be /var/www |
| 04:17.35 | dockane | trave11er, it just prints the NNN number without the backslash. getting into bash scripting isn't really easy i.e. you even can't echo an ascii number. thnx for your help |
| 04:17.36 | Tenniru_ | Sometimes I just feel like switching back to OS 9. It may have been crap, but I don't have to wrestle with it just to make AirPort work. |
| 04:17.47 | Tenniru_ | I'd still be using OS X if it didn't take up so much RAM... |
| 04:17.58 | jim | brightshadow: what mount point does it show? |
| 04:18.05 | concept10 | jim, thanks again |
| 04:18.08 | trave11er | dockane: google for "advanced bash scripting guide" |
| 04:18.17 | trave11er | dockane: it's all explained very well there |
| 04:18.23 | person | Tenniru_ : personally, i think OS 9 is a headache |
| 04:18.24 | brightshadow | i just changed it to /boot. is that right |
| 04:18.31 | jim | yes |
| 04:18.34 | Tenniru_ | I agree. |
| 04:18.36 | jim | now we need a / |
| 04:18.46 | Tenniru_ | However, at least I don't have to go through hell to make it's AirPort functions work. |
| 04:18.47 | jim | create a 200mb partition for / |
| 04:19.00 | Arafangion | Tenniru_: How much RAM do you have? |
| 04:19.07 | Tenniru_ | 192 MB |
| 04:19.08 | jim | I guess ext3 is ok as far as partition type |
| 04:19.17 | Tenniru_ | Great, the entire network configuration backend file has become un-loadable. |
| 04:19.18 | Arafangion | Tenniru_: Far too small for OS X, indeed. |
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| 04:19.24 | jim | sure, 192 mb is ok too |
| 04:19.41 | brightshadow | primary or logical |
| 04:19.44 | concept10 | jim, sorry for all the questions the install docs on mambo's site SUCK |
| 04:19.48 | person | Tenniru_ im running on 191 |
| 04:19.49 | Arafangion | Tenniru_: Don't you have /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:19.51 | jim | primary is fine |
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| 04:20.05 | person | my computer is too slow |
| 04:20.08 | bucky | concept10, apt-get install mambo |
| 04:20.08 | brightshadow | beginning or end |
| 04:20.14 | person | for most anything |
| 04:20.17 | Tenniru_ | Yes, but for some reason the words "eth0,1,2" turned into gibberish in it. |
| 04:20.36 | jim | concept10: btw, since you're trying this thing and (initially) don't want to get into too much problem solving, you're definitely going to be using mysql |
| 04:20.38 | Arafangion | Tenniru_: Specify them separately. |
| 04:20.43 | Arafangion | Tenniru_: (Just a hunch) |
| 04:20.48 | jim | brightshadow: beginning |
| 04:21.00 | jim | (two more... |
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| 04:21.07 | Tenniru_ | "eth1" is now ^P,uX. |
| 04:21.07 | jim | how much ram do you have? |
| 04:21.23 | Tenniru_ | So it "eth0" and "eth2". |
| 04:21.27 | Tenniru_ | I don't know why it did that. |
| 04:21.27 | brightshadow | 512 mb pentim 4 1.5 |
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| 04:21.46 | person | is there a keyboard shortcut in GNOME for the system moniter? |
| 04:21.48 | jim | ok, probably you need a 1g swap partition |
| 04:22.07 | jim | so add it as primary, beginning |
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| 04:22.15 | chalenged | person: not that i know of but i have the applet in my panel so i can just click it |
| 04:22.19 | jim | which partitioner are you using btw? |
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| 04:22.28 | brightshadow | jim; make a 1g partition |
| 04:22.37 | person | ok |
| 04:22.42 | jim | yes, and "use for" is goign to be swap |
| 04:23.14 | concept10 | jim, the problem im having now is that the docs say install to /usr/local/www/public_html/mambo/ i need to find where this should be. It doesnt exist. /var/www/???? |
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| 04:23.47 | jim | concept10: that part I dunno |
| 04:23.50 | brightshadow | jim; what do you mean by for awap |
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| 04:23.58 | brightshadow | swap* |
| 04:24.15 | jim | brightshadow: does your partitioner have a field "use for"? |
| 04:24.25 | Tenniru_ | Can someone help me or please direct me to someone who can? |
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| 04:24.52 | person | jim: i think its like use as in the standard debian partitioner |
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| 04:25.08 | jim | "use as"? |
| 04:25.14 | brightshadow | yes |
| 04:25.19 | brightshadow | done |
| 04:25.37 | person | jim: that selects the file system |
| 04:25.38 | brightshadow | do i need to set a bootable flag on any of these? |
| 04:25.39 | jim | ok, so you now have "use as" "swap space" or something? |
| 04:26.01 | jim | person: thanks... I can't reboot to find this out presently |
| 04:26.16 | person | im in the partitioner on my laptop |
| 04:26.18 | rixth | brightshadow, boot flag is only for Windows |
| 04:26.23 | brightshadow | ok |
| 04:26.28 | person | really? |
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| 04:26.40 | rixth | Thats what I was told when I first used Linux. |
| 04:26.43 | jim | brightshadow, so you should now have three partitions defined |
| 04:26.49 | jim | is that right? |
| 04:27.07 | sour- | awesome, should be getting a 50k/year job for sysadmin !!!! |
| 04:27.09 | brightshadow | ya, with 158 free space |
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| 04:27.16 | jim | mount at /boot, mount at / and use as swap |
| 04:27.21 | sour- | i hope *fingers crossed* they asked for selection criteria |
| 04:27.27 | jasoncohen | i installed mozilla-firefox-gnome-support but i can't seem to get smb:// or sftp:// to show anything. i used sftp://jason@192.168.0.4/home/jason which works in nautilus |
| 04:27.39 | Narg | Is there a command that lists all .debs installed on the system? |
| 04:27.56 | rixth | Narg, you could do it in Synatptic.. |
| 04:27.59 | person | aptitude |
| 04:28.02 | brightshadow | yes, 82 mb /boot, 198 mb at / |
| 04:28.06 | jasoncohen | Narg, dpkg -l |
| 04:28.09 | jim | brightshadow: you're going to take all that free space now, and make it into one partition |
| 04:28.09 | brightshadow | igb at swap |
| 04:28.29 | jim | and "use as" "LVM physical volume" |
| 04:28.36 | Tenniru_ | Could someone please help? Should I just back up my stuff and reinstall Debian since that's the only way I know to access the "give SSID and WEP to computer"? |
| 04:28.55 | brightshadow | but dont i have to have it less that 137, that is what you told me eirler because of the grub error 18 |
| 04:28.58 | chalenged | jasoncohen: any proxy setups? maybe squid etc not understand |
| 04:29.11 | jasoncohen | no proxy |
| 04:29.16 | Narg | jason: Thanks :) |
| 04:29.26 | trave11er | Tenniru_: man interfaces |
| 04:29.33 | jim | brightshadow: no, none of your booting stuff is going in there |
| 04:29.43 | brightshadow | ok |
| 04:30.00 | jim | brightshadow, all of your booting stuff is hopefully going to end up in /boot |
| 04:30.25 | jim | which is physically located low on your drive, aka near the beginning |
| 04:30.33 | brightshadow | jim; what is the difference between primary and logical. should i set this one up as primary? |
| 04:30.41 | trave11er | Tenniru_: hmm, it's not really useful |
| 04:30.51 | jasoncohen | Narg, and if you want to use it to clone your system dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt anddpkg --set-selections < foo.txt ; apt-get -u dselect-upgrade on the to-be cloned machine |
| 04:31.16 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, what are you talking about? |
| 04:31.46 | jim | primary is one of the four partitions you could originally define with ibm pcs and the very large 20mb hds of the day |
| 04:31.48 | jasoncohen | "give SSID & WEP to computer"? |
| 04:31.56 | Tenniru_ | I've been trying for the past thirty minutes to find anyone who knows how to set up my AirPort card. |
| 04:31.56 | jasoncohen | just re-run network-admin |
| 04:32.10 | trave11er | Tenniru_: basically you put stuff into your /etc/network/interfaces file to run iwconfig on ifup |
| 04:32.10 | jasoncohen | and what's the problem? |
| 04:32.13 | Tenniru_ | So I can get it to log into my wireless router? |
| 04:32.22 | brightshadow | jim; what is the mounting point for this last 158 gb? right now it is set to home |
| 04:32.39 | Tenniru_ | I have no idea how to do this. |
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| 04:32.46 | eleusis | g'day |
| 04:32.54 | jim | brightshadow: won't have a mount point. you want to "use as" "LVM physical volume" |
| 04:32.58 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, network-admin will add the lines you need to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:33.00 | Tenniru_ | I accidentially deleted the "Wireless" thing on the Network Admin application. |
| 04:33.18 | eleusis | anyone got a minute to help me confirm a bug with doxygen? :P |
| 04:33.18 | Tenniru_ | So I add "wireless" to the list... |
| 04:33.24 | jim | we're doing it this way so we can have maximum flexibility on carving up your drive later |
| 04:33.35 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, basically, if the wireless driver works all you have to do is setup the card with DHCP, enable hotplug and add lines for wireless key & SSID |
| 04:33.37 | sour- | brightshadow you still trying to install debian?? :PP |
| 04:33.45 | Tenniru_ | I don't know if the wireless device is eth0, eth1, or eth2 either. |
| 04:34.09 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, network-admin will setup your card for a static or dhcp and will add the SSID & WEP Key. didn't we go through this before? network-admin tells you which device is the wireless device |
| 04:34.11 | K_Dallas | am i mistaken or not everything in the testing turns into stable ? |
| 04:34.19 | jim | person: you with us here? is that what it's called in "use as"? |
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| 04:34.38 | Tenniru_ | ah. |
| 04:34.39 | brightshadow | jim; i should finish partitioning disk |
| 04:34.55 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, setup the one that says wireless for DHCP- enter your SSID & WEP, then check the interface name - probably eth1 or eth2 |
| 04:34.58 | chalenged | K_Dallas: stable is nto updated....its only security fixed |
| 04:35.05 | trave11er | Tenniru_: for manual instructions see /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
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| 04:35.10 | Tenniru_ | It didn't ask me for the SSID or WEP. |
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| 04:35.16 | concept10 | Okay, I found a mambo deb but its screaming about php4. how do I install this and resolve dependencies? |
| 04:35.30 | chalenged | K_Dallas: ie if it was released with stable itll be in stable if it wasnt it probably wont enter it |
| 04:35.38 | K_Dallas | i see, thanks |
| 04:35.39 | jim | brightshadow: not sure what you're telling me |
| 04:36.03 | pressureman_ | who's good with fbcon here? |
| 04:36.04 | linlin | What are some tools I can use to monitor bandwidth upload and download in real time from a certain machine? |
| 04:36.08 | brightshadow | jim; finish the install |
| 04:36.16 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, ok, double click on the wireless device, you should see ESSID & WEP Key under wireless settings. you should also see connection settings |
| 04:36.26 | jim | what, are you running out of time or something? |
| 04:36.33 | jasoncohen | you can probably do DHCP for connection settings. you need to add your SSID & WEP key there |
| 04:36.41 | Tenniru_ | nothing happened when I double-clicked it. |
| 04:36.46 | chalenged | K_Dallas: only time i think that changes is when theres a big reason ie kernel change, licenses change etc etc.. |
| 04:36.55 | brightshadow | no, i was wondering if there is anything else i should do |
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| 04:37.10 | jim | brightshadow: anyways we;re almost done partitioning, but not quite. |
| 04:37.16 | pressureman_ | is running an initrd really necessary? |
| 04:37.17 | chalenged | K_Dallas but yeah generally stable is locked other than security fixes.. |
| 04:37.17 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, does it say the interface ethX is active? |
| 04:37.38 | brightshadow | you have been a great help, thank your for your help |
| 04:37.41 | jim | pressureman_: no, but it gives maximum flexibility at install time |
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| 04:37.49 | brightshadow | what else do i need to do |
| 04:37.50 | Tenniru_ | Um... if it's checked, does that mean it's active? |
| 04:38.06 | pressureman_ | i just switched frm slackware to debian yesterday. i've always compiled my own kernels in the past |
| 04:38.08 | jim | brightshadow: the 4th partition is an lvm PV? |
| 04:38.31 | jasoncohen | Teemu_K, if it's greyed out it means it's inactive |
| 04:38.54 | Tenniru_ | ah |
| 04:38.57 | Tenniru_ | It's inactive, then. |
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| 04:38.59 | pressureman_ | i know how to compile kernels "the debian way", but haven't done one with an initrd before. instead i've just compiled in anything required to boot and read the root fs |
| 04:39.06 | rixth | When encoding video, what's the ebst audio format to use? Besides raw |
| 04:39.07 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, ok, what card do you have? do you have the drivers setup? |
| 04:39.12 | brightshadow | what does that mean? it is set up as primary and mounted as /home |
| 04:39.20 | Tenniru_ | AirPort, and I think so since it worked before. |
| 04:39.32 | jim | pressureman_: then if you want, you can do that in debian... there is a script that does the build (after you configure) and produces a debian package |
| 04:39.36 | jasoncohen | rixth, for what? i use xvid4 with dvdrip and tune the settings for max quality |
| 04:39.46 | pressureman_ | make-kpkg, right? |
| 04:40.05 | jim | brightshadow: you don't want it mounted!! what is the "use as" setting? |
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| 04:40.16 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, ok, well i haven't used an airport. do you know what driver it uses or if it's a included kernel module? |
| 04:40.21 | chalenged | rixth: one you can here...your ripping so i assume your losing quality anyways. |
| 04:40.29 | rixth | I just used the command on the MPlayer howto. |
| 04:40.37 | Tenniru_ | I don't know. |
| 04:40.37 | rixth | chalenged, even worse, I'm transcoding. |
| 04:40.47 | justnulling2 | i just switched to debian and trying to install a package with apt-get but it doesn't find the package and i am using ftp://ftp.debian.org mirror any ideas? |
| 04:40.52 | rixth | Here's the command I used: mencoder MOVIE_FILE.bin -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vpass=1 -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=3 -o movie.avi |
| 04:40.55 | brightshadow | so that it should be free space |
| 04:40.55 | chalenged | rixth: explain what your doing for me so i can find a better way |
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| 04:41.06 | jim | brightshadow: what is the "use as" setting for the fourth partition? |
| 04:41.12 | rixth | chalenged, converting a KVCD to a more friendly format |
| 04:41.26 | jim | (please answer; we have to either sync up or I can't do this) |
| 04:41.42 | K_Dallas | why am i not able to find scilab thru at-cache search but that it is on the p.d.o in the stable branch? |
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| 04:41.54 | pressureman_ | is there a way to speed up the framebuffer console? it seems really sluggish compared to a real text mode. for that matter, why does debian install fbcon by default? |
| 04:42.00 | foul- | Can anyone tell me where I can get the MD5sum's for the DVDs? |
| 04:42.01 | brightshadow | home |
| 04:42.03 | K_Dallas | (it is labeled non-free and i have non-free in my sources.list) |
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| 04:42.08 | jim | you DO NOT WANT THAT |
| 04:42.26 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, did you do any research on google? |
| 04:42.27 | jim | set "use as" to LVM PHYSICAL VOLUME |
| 04:42.29 | jasoncohen | what's the exact card model? |
| 04:42.32 | K_Dallas | foul-, if i am not mistaken all the md5sums are in a single file |
| 04:42.33 | brightshadow | jim; it is set as do not use |
| 04:42.48 | jim | ok, please edit that |
| 04:43.00 | chalenged | rixth: maybee a gui will help you? kmenc15? |
| 04:43.01 | trave11er | Tenniru_: if your card is being detected, there should be something in the dmesg, hopefully containing the name of the interface |
| 04:43.07 | boogada | im trying to install a driver for my printer... while compiling, i got the error: ./depcomp: line 502: exec: g++: not found |
| 04:43.12 | trave11er | Tenniru_: try dmesg | grep -i airport |
| 04:43.12 | boogada | how do i fix that? |
| 04:43.18 | rixth | chalenged, is there a gnome equivalent? |
| 04:43.22 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, i think your card uses the orinco driver |
| 04:43.23 | eleusis | boogada: install g++ ? :P |
| 04:43.25 | jasoncohen | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.802.11b.html#Orinoco |
| 04:43.25 | brightshadow | what do i change it to |
| 04:43.27 | boogada | i tried installing all the gcc packages and such, still not working |
| 04:43.33 | _root_ | can anybody get me a patch for cpio-2.5 CAN-2005-1229 |
| 04:43.37 | chalenged | rixth: it just gives you the options easier to see but id say any will be fine if your 2 passing it in xvid/divx |
| 04:43.40 | jim | brightshadow: lvm physical volume |
| 04:43.42 | rixth | boogada, install build-essential |
| 04:43.44 | brightshadow | physical volume for LVM? |
| 04:43.51 | jim | yes! |
| 04:44.05 | brightshadow | ok |
| 04:44.09 | brightshadow | NICERs |
| 04:44.10 | boogada | i hate being a noob, it always makes sense after... i always miss something... i love this channel :) |
| 04:44.16 | Tenniru_ | Okay, it says "eth0: Airport (doing stuff)". |
| 04:44.21 | rixth | chalenged, yes, I'm using the 2 pass approach. How does it know whether to use DivX or XviD? |
| 04:44.23 | jim | this means we'll be able to carve it up after you install |
| 04:44.29 | trave11er | Tenniru_: it's eth0 then |
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| 04:44.30 | concept10 | could someone help with this please? http://pastebin.ca/15231 |
| 04:44.33 | brightshadow | ok cool |
| 04:44.34 | chalenged | rixth: not really. there was one but no ones maintaining it....kmenc is on marrilat i think |
| 04:44.35 | jim | also, we're not going to use all the space |
| 04:44.37 | jasoncohen | rixth, marillat has xvid4conf to tune xvid settings |
| 04:44.38 | pressureman_ | ah LVM.... i remember learning to use that in HP-UX, ten years ago... |
| 04:44.44 | brightshadow | right |
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| 04:44.46 | Tenniru_ | And that's all entered into Network Admin... all but the SSID and WEP. |
| 04:45.03 | Tenniru_ | Which it never asked me for and I don't know how to input. |
| 04:45.04 | jim | brightshadow: now, you need to "configure lvm" |
| 04:45.08 | brightshadow | is there anything else i need to do before i finish the install |
| 04:45.27 | trave11er | Tenniru_: see the file /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 04:45.29 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, are any lights flashing on the card? |
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| 04:45.36 | jim | yes, we need to define three partitions |
| 04:45.46 | trave11er | Tenniru_: and edit /etc/network/interfaces according to instructions there |
| 04:45.50 | rixth | Getting kmenc now. jasoncohen but how does it know to use DivX or XviD? They're both 2 pass avi. |
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| 04:46.00 | Tenniru_ | I don't know. The entire thing is inside the computer. |
| 04:46.03 | brightshadow | how do i do that? |
| 04:46.05 | pressureman_ | so, can anyone tell me why framebuffer consoles are so slow, and how to speed them up? such as using a native driver instead of vesafb? am i on eht right track? |
| 04:46.06 | jim | brightshadow: now, you need to "configure lvm" |
| 04:46.09 | lehel | hello |
| 04:46.28 | brightshadow | ok |
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| 04:46.32 | lehel | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_pconnect() in /var/www/amportal/admin/cdr/lib/DB-modules/phplib_mysql.php on line 75 |
| 04:46.34 | chalenged | rixth thats one of the options you passed...vcodec name...im assuming your lines correct as i use gui for anything weird i have scripts for dvds etc |
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| 04:47.00 | jasoncohen | rixth, i've only used dvdrip and looked at acidrip. in dvdrip you can choose the video codec, and the settings for it as well as the audio codec. you can also do things like cropping/resizing of the video, normalizing of sound, and you can apply other filters. dvdrip is just a frontend for transcode but i'm not sure that's what you want |
| 04:47.03 | brightshadow | do i modify the VG or the LV? |
| 04:47.10 | pressureman_ | lehel: that's a PHP error, nothing to do with debian as such. but try installing php4-mysql |
| 04:47.21 | jasoncohen | i use it for encoding my movies into xvid so i can play them in mythvideo |
| 04:47.34 | jim | first thing you're going to do is make a "volume group"; I suggest you name it "big-drive" or "drive-160" |
| 04:47.41 | lehel | ok pressureman_ |
| 04:47.44 | chalenged | jasoncohen it is but the source has to change....kmenc is a similar thing for mencoder |
| 04:47.45 | jim | first you need a vg |
| 04:48.14 | pressureman_ | 160GB ain't a big drive |
| 04:48.17 | jasoncohen | chalenged, the source has to change? |
| 04:48.24 | chalenged | pressureman_ sure it is... |
| 04:48.29 | rixth | So whats a good plan of attack for transcoding a KVCD, video codec, bitrate, filter? |
| 04:48.31 | jim | (vg is "volume group" and means "a group of physical volumes", and this group will have -one- physical volume) |
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| 04:48.38 | pressureman_ | when you try exceed the 2TB limitation of SCSI... that's a big drive |
| 04:48.39 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, aren't there lights on the back of it? |
| 04:48.40 | jim | pressureman_: show off :P |
| 04:48.42 | rixth | Motion Estimate quality |
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| 04:48.54 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, what does ifup eth0 do? |
| 04:49.00 | jasoncohen | as root |
| 04:49.01 | chalenged | pressureman_ i have a 2 mb hadd thats 5KG in weight in front of me thats also a big drive...its a perception thing... |
| 04:49.30 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, if the card isn't working because there's no driver it's obviously not going to work. if you can bring the card up, you can manually edit /etc/network/interfaces and add these two lines: |
| 04:49.34 | pressureman_ | oh... ok, we're talking the difference between volume and capacity here. |
| 04:49.53 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, "wireless_key xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" |
| 04:50.04 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, "wireless_essid xxxxxxxxxxxx" |
| 04:50.11 | jim | the volume can get loud... and charged capacities can shock you to death :) |
| 04:50.20 | chalenged | pressureman_: not necessarily bios ahs a setting for large also...is that the same as big?... |
| 04:50.20 | pressureman_ | i think the local technology museum as a 20kilibyte hard drive that you had to wheel out on a trolley |
| 04:50.22 | brightshadow | jim; how do i name it |
| 04:50.29 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, and add "map eth0" under "script grep" |
| 04:50.37 | boogada | my printer finally printed... i love you all |
| 04:50.40 | jim | somehow you have to make a new vg |
| 04:50.48 | rixth | jasoncohen, chalenged So whats a good plan of attack for transcoding a KVCD, video codec, bitrate, filter, Motion Estimate quality? |
| 04:51.01 | dot | isn't it a repeated work to install fedora or suse if i already have debian in my HD ? |
| 04:51.04 | pressureman_ | doesn't BSD have a hard drive setting called 'HUGE' instead of LBA? my BSD HUGE drive beats your wimpy large drive |
| 04:51.09 | jim | person: you still here? |
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| 04:51.55 | chalenged | rixth: hehe if it was me id just play it on another PC and cat it but i have 2 computers and a Mpeg2 capture card so im not you hehehe |
| 04:51.57 | jasoncohen | rixth, i like all the options in dvdrip. you can configure everything. i would use divx5 or xvid4 with high settings |
| 04:52.21 | jasoncohen | rixth, make sure to install xvid4conf though. you'll need a marillat source for dvdrip, transcode etc. |
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| 04:52.40 | K_Dallas | apt-spy is pretty neat :) |
| 04:52.50 | darkcmd | apt-spy? |
| 04:52.51 | rixth | chalenged, I have a hardware Mpeg-2/4 capture device too |
| 04:52.54 | chalenged | rixth: what kind of video is it? if your looking a high motion then divx5/xvid |
| 04:52.55 | pressureman_ | ok, here's a slightly weird one. i just installed debian sarge on a software raid-1 sata yesterday (2 x 250GB seagate). it's seems kinda noisy. |
| 04:53.13 | K_Dallas | darkcmd, it helped me to find the fastest repos to me |
| 04:53.14 | chalenged | pressureman_: earplugs...5c solution.. |
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| 04:53.23 | pressureman_ | every single time i type a command, even basic commands like 'ls-l', i hear the drives chirp |
| 04:53.28 | jasoncohen | rixth, i use 1200-1600 kbit/s which is around .27-.3 bpp |
| 04:53.32 | brightshadow | jim; i can > create volume groups, delete volume groups, extend volume groups, reduce volume groups, leave. what option should i do |
| 04:53.37 | pressureman_ | things that should be cached, still generate disk activity |
| 04:53.37 | foul- | :-( I can't find the MD5Sums anywhere |
| 04:53.48 | chalenged | pressureman_: or you can soundproof the case...the drives wont get any quieter...welcome to manufacturer random changes |
| 04:53.51 | jim | brightshadow: create |
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| 04:54.00 | rixth | The .bin file failed to load in kmenc, yet mencoder took it. |
| 04:54.01 | pressureman_ | is that the raid-1 checking both disks to make sure they're sync'ed? |
| 04:54.08 | jasoncohen | Tenniru_, so, what's going on? |
| 04:54.12 | rixth | I'm just about to start the second pass now. |
| 04:54.25 | pressureman_ | i'm sure it never used to generate so much activity when it was a single disk system |
| 04:54.30 | chalenged | pressureman_what ata chipset? |
| 04:54.35 | jasoncohen | rixth, i'm actually transcoding catch me if you can right now |
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| 04:54.42 | pressureman_ | wait for it... SiI 3112A |
| 04:54.49 | brightshadow | what device do i select? |
| 04:54.52 | bsims | where do the rest of you mount media cards? I am currently mounting SmartMedia in /sm and SecureDigital in /sd |
| 04:55.04 | jim | what are your choices? |
| 04:55.10 | person | im trying to update the kernal, i got the image from the debian repositorys, but i ran cat /proc/version but it still say 2.4.... |
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| 04:55.21 | pressureman_ | don't get me wrong, the disks are super quiet when doing sustained writes, but it seems the little writes are way noisier |
| 04:55.22 | rixth | http://www.plextor.com/english/products/TV402U.htm Thats my encoder. It has first party GPL drivers for Linux, too. |
| 04:55.23 | bsims | person: have you rebooted? |
| 04:55.37 | jim | ideally, you want the lvm physical volume |
| 04:55.43 | jasoncohen | rixth, it's 2:20 and 16:9 so i'm using 1.8GB - usually i do 1.4 GB |
| 04:55.47 | jim | the device that is on |
| 04:55.48 | rixth | jasoncohen, what does the second pass do? |
| 04:55.51 | person | oops *smacks self* |
| 04:55.52 | chalenged | pressureman_ well my guess would be thats its writing not reading... |
| 04:55.59 | K_Dallas | foul-, are these what yo uare looking for? |
| 04:56.00 | bsims | person: hehe |
| 04:56.01 | K_Dallas | d6eeef5a49ff851839bc514cc56f305a debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 04:56.02 | K_Dallas | 662bc504659baaff5e0a5226c86ec8a6 debian-31r0a-i386-binary-2.iso |
| 04:56.08 | chalenged | pressureman_ swapping on sata or a dogy ide? |
| 04:56.14 | foul- | Are those for the DVDs? |
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| 04:56.15 | bsims | I am still runing 2.4 as well |
| 04:56.15 | pressureman_ | but what should it write after i type 'ls -l'? the bash history doesn't get updated on disk until i log out |
| 04:56.19 | jasoncohen | rixth, the first pass checks the video to see where it should allocate the bits. the second pass does the encoding |
| 04:56.19 | K_Dallas | yes foul- |
| 04:56.24 | rixth | jasoncohen, Pos:6105.0s 152631f (87%) 119fps Trem: 3min 741mb A-V:0.083 [754:132] |
| 04:56.27 | person | i need 2.6 to run udev |
| 04:56.32 | K_Dallas | from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 04:56.33 | foul- | Yes, thank you K_Dallas |
| 04:56.36 | K_Dallas | np |
| 04:56.37 | chalenged | foul- looks like it |
| 04:56.40 | Tenniru_ | Well, I think I made progress. |
| 04:56.42 | Narg | Heh, running on a morphix livecd and Im trying to install a package, but apt-get is broken, so I have to hunt by hand. Dependancy hell is /not/ fun. :( |
| 04:56.47 | pressureman_ | my swap is also on the raid-1 sata, but no swap is being used |
| 04:56.50 | rixth | jasoncohen, what's the 2:20? 16:9 widescreen but 2:20? |
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| 04:56.54 | darkcmd | Narg: #morphix |
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| 04:57.04 | jasoncohen | rixth, 2 pass encoding is much better than 1 pass because it's far more successful at using higher bitrates where they're needed |
| 04:57.13 | Tenniru_ | I altered the interfaces file, and now it seems when I attempt to activate the AirPort. |
| 04:57.21 | Tenniru_ | .. it crashes. |
| 04:57.29 | Tenniru_ | I think that might indicate progress. |
| 04:57.30 | jim | you can install packages on a livecd? you can configure apt-get? |
| 04:57.39 | jasoncohen | rixth, no, 2 hours and 20 mintues. 16:9 is the ratio of the movie which is what an HDTV uses. most movies are anamorphic which is nearer to 2.25:1 |
| 04:57.41 | rixth | Video stream: 798.995 kbit/s (99874 bps) 800kbits, good enough for me I guess. |
| 04:57.53 | brightshadow | jim; dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0lun0/part4 |
| 04:58.02 | K_Dallas | jim, liveCDs are getting more and more ridiculous ;) imho |
| 04:58.02 | foul- | K_Dallas: you rock |
| 04:58.08 | jim | brightshadow: yeah, that's the lvm pf |
| 04:58.11 | jim | err pv |
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| 04:58.11 | K_Dallas | foul-, actually google rocks ;) |
| 04:58.15 | jasoncohen | rixth, well your source isnt' as good. it would be overkill to use a very high bitrate on VCD |
| 04:58.19 | chalenged | gogo crop options ... |
| 04:58.21 | person | i like dogpile |
| 04:58.22 | jasoncohen | i'm encoding from a DVD |
| 04:58.38 | jim | dogpile on the google rocks! |
| 04:58.42 | rixth | jasoncohen, it's KVCD or is that basically the same thing |
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| 04:58.53 | jasoncohen | i've never heard of KVCD |
| 04:58.57 | eleusis | hmm |
| 04:58.58 | chalenged | jasoncohen mpeg1 vcd.. |
| 04:58.59 | jasoncohen | only VCD and SVCD |
| 04:59.05 | jasoncohen | chalenged, ah, even worse, heh |
| 04:59.07 | bsims | Bah DVD::Rip all the way |
| 04:59.11 | rixth | jasoncohen, is there anything wrong with a high bitrate on a VCD apart from space consdierations? |
| 04:59.19 | eleusis | is there a tool i can use to substitute strings in multiple files at once? |
| 04:59.20 | person | dogpile does google yaho.. wait why are we talking about search engines |
| 04:59.25 | jasoncohen | my pvr-250 MCE does hardware mpeg2 encoding and looks very good but it uses a much higher bitrate than xvid/divx |
| 04:59.27 | chalenged | jasoncohen: thats what im guessing it is....kde had a vcd creator...maybee k3b makes them |
| 04:59.28 | pressureman_ | maybe i can enable some kind of disk debug and see why the hell it feels the need to write something to disk after i simply type 'ls -l' |
| 04:59.30 | K_Dallas | eleusis, try rename |
| 04:59.32 | jasoncohen | that's why i have a 440 GB LVM |
| 04:59.36 | eleusis | like, do s/foo/bar/ in all files in a directory |
| 04:59.39 | eleusis | rename? :-\ |
| 04:59.40 | Tenniru_ | I'm going to try something... I'll be right back. |
| 04:59.40 | person | 440 GB!! |
| 04:59.54 | mdh | jasoncohen: 16:9 is widescreen format, most other tv's are 4:3 |
| 04:59.55 | eleusis | K_Dallas: i'm talking about modifying the file contents, not the filenames |
| 05:00.01 | person | i got like 26 GB |
| 05:00.02 | chalenged | pressureman_ raid-1 thats striping yeah? |
| 05:00.04 | K_Dallas | sorry eleusis my bad |
| 05:00.05 | jasoncohen | person, that's just for TV & movies |
| 05:00.09 | pressureman_ | nah, mirrored |
| 05:00.11 | jasoncohen | the actual system is on another drive |
| 05:00.14 | trave11er | eleusis: for i in *; do sed -e 's/foo/bar/g' ${i} > blah; mv blah ${i}; done |
| 05:00.15 | rixth | KVCD is a modification to the standard MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 GOP structure and Quantization Matrix. It enables you to create over 120 minutes of near DVD quality video, depending on your material, on a single 80 minute CD-R/CD-RW |
| 05:00.20 | K_Dallas | eleusis, then try sed ;) |
| 05:00.22 | eleusis | heh |
| 05:00.22 | chalenged | pressureman_ ahh kk reverse my head hehe |
| 05:00.23 | brightshadow | jim, how do i create or select a new volume group? |
| 05:00.28 | jim | eleusis: sed can do it, but you have to read one file and write another untill you're done and then move them back or use the others |
| 05:00.29 | jasoncohen | it's about 550 GB with all my HDs |
| 05:00.34 | eleusis | right |
| 05:00.42 | eleusis | i'm trying to get past a doxygen bug |
| 05:00.45 | jim | brightshadow: didn't you just now create a vg? |
| 05:00.50 | jasoncohen | mdh, yes, 16:9 is widescreen but most of the movies i watch are anamorphic which is 2.25:1 i think |
| 05:00.50 | rixth | 160gb here, but that's suitable for me. |
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| 05:01.02 | eleusis | the doxygen package on debian unstable generates malformed xml |
| 05:01.11 | jasoncohen | mdh, HDTV, animated films, and some others are 16:9 |
| 05:01.13 | eleusis | it writes static="no"" |
| 05:01.15 | jasoncohen | tv shows are 4:3 |
| 05:01.25 | pressureman_ | jim: you seem to be real knowledgeable on LVM - is there any reason to run LVM on top of RAID if you ~know~ you're never going to want to resize filesystems? |
| 05:01.27 | eleusis | the extra double-quote breaks anything else that tries to use the XML data |
| 05:01.32 | jasoncohen | rixth, i have 3 160 GB and a 80 GB drive with a promise IDE controller |
| 05:01.36 | jasoncohen | i can have up to 6 |
| 05:01.45 | brightshadow | i selected continue and it says no physical volume selected |
| 05:01.48 | trave11er | eleusis: is there a bug filed? |
| 05:01.55 | jim | pressureman_: well it's the only reason I'm having him use lvm |
| 05:01.55 | darkcmd | for some reason when I do a "ls" in debian with colored directories it shows like a vertical listing rather than a wide listing |
| 05:02.01 | eleusis | trave11er: doesn't seem like it |
| 05:02.02 | rixth | jasoncohen, the majority of my movies are FTP'd to my Xbox though, I've got a 120 in there. |
| 05:02.09 | eleusis | trave11er: i'm still trying to pinpoint the bug |
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| 05:02.13 | trave11er | eleusis: file one then =) |
| 05:02.14 | chalenged | jasoncohen hehe thats your myth box? |
| 05:02.18 | jasoncohen | rixth, most of my space is used by mythtv |
| 05:02.18 | TiMiDo | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory any ideas? |
| 05:02.21 | rixth | Xbox Media Center is one brillaint program. |
| 05:02.22 | trave11er | eleusis: ah, ok |
| 05:02.31 | rixth | jasoncohen, what capture card do you have/ |
| 05:02.31 | jim | brightshadow: ok, |
| 05:02.33 | eleusis | trave11er: this bug doesn't seem to be present in the upstream source package |
| 05:02.39 | jasoncohen | chalenged, yes- amd 2700+, 512 MB pc2700, 27" TV and 440 GB LVM + 100 GB for system + backups |
| 05:02.43 | pressureman_ | the LVM howto said it was nicer because you can partition a logical volume, whereas you can't partition an md device |
| 05:02.45 | jim | then go back and select that part4 |
| 05:02.45 | chalenged | rixth: you can play via samba np from xbox btw |
| 05:02.52 | jasoncohen | rixth, pvr-250 MCE and hauppauge wintv with btaudio support |
| 05:02.58 | eleusis | i.e. i built doxygen from the source tarball from doxygen.org and ran that |
| 05:03.07 | eleusis | didn't get the static="no"" weirdness |
| 05:03.11 | jim | you can? that's interesting... |
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| 05:03.24 | pressureman_ | but since i'm dead certain of my partition sizes, i just use multiple md devices, with each fs using the whole partition of the md device |
| 05:03.28 | eleusis | i'm now building the debian unstable package from source.. |
| 05:03.31 | rixth | chalenged, indeed, thats what I was doing for a while till I splashed out on a new HD. |
| 05:03.36 | jasoncohen | and i share my movies w/ NFS & SSH, OpenVPN and do administration over SSH |
| 05:03.43 | jim | but then you can resize an lv too, and wouldn't that invalidate the partition table? |
| 05:03.45 | trave11er | eleusis: *shrug* debian might have introduced own changes for whatever reasons |
| 05:03.48 | jasoncohen | oh, i also have a samba server for the windows boxes |
| 05:03.50 | chalenged | rixth: jasoncohen: hehe im xbox frontend on a 2 terabyte server...but its feeding my houise everything |
| 05:03.59 | jasoncohen | chalenged, heh, nice |
| 05:04.01 | rixth | There's no way to change the delay between the video and audio though (there was on XBMP) |
| 05:04.18 | jasoncohen | chalenged, what do you ahve it on- sarge? |
| 05:04.18 | eleusis | yeah |
| 05:04.24 | rixth | chalenged, I took a look at some of Lacie's NAS, too bad they're all WinXP Embedded. |
| 05:04.25 | eleusis | the source trees differ by quite a bit :-\ |
| 05:04.32 | eleusis | according to kdiff3 anyway :P |
| 05:04.32 | jim | pressureman_: in that case I see no reason for lvm... in fact use of lvm might slow things down a bit |
| 05:04.33 | chalenged | jasoncohen: im not mythtving tho now....i threw the PVR back in my wintel boxen for premiere stuff |
| 05:04.41 | jasoncohen | chalenged, and of course a nice universal RF remote to control it |
| 05:05.05 | rixth | chalenged, I've got a Plextor ConvertX, brilliant device, really like it. Havn't got MythTV compiled yet though. |
| 05:05.21 | brightshadow | it is selected but wont work in the lg modify |
| 05:05.33 | jasoncohen | rixth, one of the mpeg-4 devices? |
| 05:05.36 | jasoncohen | hardware divx? |
| 05:05.37 | jim | pressureman_: but for him I'm going to have him initially install a minimal system on about 4-5 gigs |
| 05:05.46 | jim | brightshadow: 1g modify? |
| 05:05.51 | rixth | jasoncohen, Mpeg2, 4 & VCD. |
| 05:05.56 | jasoncohen | nice |
| 05:05.58 | jim | lg |
| 05:06.02 | jim | lv :) |
| 05:06.15 | chalenged | rixth: dont rush unless you know it's supported already 8)....ivtv drivers are still changing a bit...jason's box is easier to get working than mine hehe |
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| 05:06.33 | rixth | I opted to pay a little extra to get TV in too, the non TV one only has RCA & S-Video |
| 05:06.53 | rixth | chalenged, it has GPL drivers released by Plextor, it is compatiable with MythTV |
| 05:07.07 | rixth | (Not the version in the Debian repos thoguh :( |
| 05:07.08 | jim | brightshadow: ok, back out |
| 05:07.11 | chalenged | rixth atm i think they have the mpeg4 capture working...the mpeg4 stuff they havent worked out how to switch modes yet i dont think....a few weeks back since i read the lists tho |
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| 05:07.35 | brightshadow | jim;i have the 1gb set to swap and 158 to LVM |
| 05:07.41 | chalenged | rixth: ahh cool plextore gave them some 8) |
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| 05:08.05 | jim | brightshadow: what is the 158g called? |
| 05:08.10 | jim | part4? |
| 05:08.16 | rixth | I just previewed the movie after the second pass, it's brilliant! |
| 05:08.22 | deepz | when i start a project in anjuta |
| 05:08.32 | deepz | and click autogenm |
| 05:08.35 | deepz | it says |
| 05:08.50 | rixth | I'm still trying to figure out how to send a file to the ConvertX for it to be converted (Linux or Windows) |
| 05:08.55 | deepz | error you must have glib installed |
| 05:09.04 | brightshadow | primary |
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| 05:09.11 | deepz | ia m using sarge xandros |
| 05:09.36 | bucky | xandros has a sarge ? |
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| 05:09.51 | deepz | yes |
| 05:10.15 | chalenged | rixth: the process on 2 pass is a bit confusing but imagine pass one as planning to rip and pass2 as actually ripping...pass 1 basically looks and says oh high action here low action there high action here....then pass2 changes settings when it hits those flags |
| 05:10.21 | punsad | since sarge is now 'stable', I imagine most debian based distros will be using sarge |
| 05:10.25 | jim | brightshadow: click on the 158gb partition |
| 05:10.33 | brightshadow | ok |
| 05:10.38 | eleusis | punsad: except for ubuntu :P |
| 05:10.38 | darkcmd | The icewm packages in sarge seem broken |
| 05:10.40 | rixth | Oh Isee, so that's why the .log is 20mb? |
| 05:10.45 | jim | what do you see? |
| 05:10.48 | punsad | that's a big ass partition |
| 05:11.05 | jim | what kind of machine btw? intel? |
| 05:11.10 | punsad | eleusis: hmmm... cool.. is it based on etch? |
| 05:11.20 | brightshadow | use as physical volume for LVM, boot flag off, size 158 |
| 05:11.25 | eleusis | etch? |
| 05:11.34 | eleusis | punsad: ubuntu uses unstable.. |
| 05:11.34 | chalenged | punsad: depends..our stable and their stable may not share everything the same.... |
| 05:11.37 | brightshadow | intel |
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| 05:11.51 | punsad | eleusis: etch is the new unstable IIRC |
| 05:11.51 | rixth | eleusis, no way |
| 05:11.52 | jim | brightshadow: on this screen, do you see "configure lvm"? |
| 05:12.04 | rixth | punsad, it's testing |
| 05:12.07 | ale_ | hi, what do i use in debian to download music? like, what is the popular software to connect to the emule & kazaa networks? |
| 05:12.10 | eleusis | punsad: you mean the new testing? |
| 05:12.11 | chalenged | punsad : loosely bassed on Sid/unstable... |
| 05:12.13 | rixth | punsad, sid is still unstable |
| 05:12.18 | punsad | rixth: oh - yeah... |
| 05:12.36 | brightshadow | no i do not |
| 05:12.46 | eleusis | rixth: ubuntu doesn't use unstable? |
| 05:12.50 | darkcmd | ale_: apt-get install gift |
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| 05:12.55 | chalenged | sid never becomes testing...sid is sid...testing becomes stable new testing is normally stable with some of unstable moved accross |
| 05:13.08 | jim | ok, go back |
| 05:13.17 | rixth | eleusis, I doubt it. Unstable IS unstable, I found Ubuntu very stable. |
| 05:13.24 | jim | go to "configure lvm" |
| 05:13.25 | eleusis | s |
| 05:13.34 | MindUrBsns | how many Cds Sarge is ? |
| 05:13.38 | brightshadow | ok |
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| 05:13.42 | rixth | MindUrBsns, 14 |
| 05:13.48 | ale_ | darkcmd thanks |
| 05:13.50 | eleusis | rixth: debian unstable is also quite 'stable' when you use it ;) |
| 05:13.59 | punsad | 14 CDs... wow! |
| 05:14.03 | rixth | eleusis, when you DON'T use it :) |
| 05:14.07 | MindUrBsns | hmm |
| 05:14.08 | darkcmd | ok.. where can I find a total bug count for Sarge |
| 05:14.11 | eleusis | what? |
| 05:14.13 | MindUrBsns | what is there |
| 05:14.19 | jim | brightshadow: what are your choices? |
| 05:14.36 | brightshadow | creat vg |
| 05:14.42 | jim | why would you want to count a total bug? |
| 05:14.45 | brightshadow | delete vg |
| 05:14.48 | MindUrBsns | 14 Cds means lots of packages or source ? |
| 05:14.51 | brightshadow | extend vg |
| 05:14.55 | jim | extend |
| 05:14.55 | brightshadow | reduce vg |
| 05:14.56 | mdh | darkcmd: bugs.debian.org |
| 05:14.59 | punsad | darkcmd: bugs.debian.org is a starting point |
| 05:15.23 | brightshadow | jim; no vg has been found |
| 05:15.31 | darkcmd | punsad: thanks :D |
| 05:15.38 | jim | ok, create vg |
| 05:15.56 | trave11er | MindUrBsns: 14 CDs is just binary packages, source is another 15 or so |
| 05:15.57 | chalenged | rixth: unstable was stable until a new stable released now it's going through big changes due to distro changes....etch got 800 packages from unstable in one day...unstable got gnome 2.10 made things break....works again now...works in etch too np but waiting on official pass on to etch |
| 05:16.01 | eleusis | rixth: afaik, a lot of ubuntu's packages originate from debian unstable |
| 05:16.26 | bucky | !dpkg tell MindUrBsns about debian install |
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| 05:16.36 | sith-R2D2 | quesiton - what is the utility to configure acpi in debian? |
| 05:16.38 | jim | what do you see now? |
| 05:16.45 | chalenged | eleusis rixth: well they raped sid originally now they only rape it for new stuff. |
| 05:16.51 | brightshadow | jim; should the 168 partition be primary or logical |
| 05:16.57 | jim | (this is tedious... DO NOT move around without telling me) |
| 05:17.04 | eleusis | raped? |
| 05:17.13 | jim | brightshadow: that part is done |
| 05:17.28 | mdh | eleusis: its a popular pastime in Africa |
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| 05:17.44 | jim | you don't have to worry about that now hopefully |
| 05:17.51 | eleusis | that's not funny, mdh |
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| 05:18.29 | chalenged | eleusis: i think they copied all of sid then started forking to ubuntu. how can any distro go from 0 to 1000s of packages in 2 days any other way |
| 05:18.42 | bucky | MindUrBsns, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:18.45 | punsad | mdh: that comment wasn't welcome at all |
| 05:18.53 | chalenged | eleusis: not that thats overly wrong etc |
| 05:18.54 | jim | brightshadow: I think it should be primary, it'll be a littl faster |
| 05:19.10 | eleusis | so why use the term 'rape'? >:| |
| 05:19.10 | jim | punsad: there is always /ignore |
| 05:19.18 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 05:19.20 | mdh | eleusis, punsad: ubuntu comes from africa... blah blah blah blah |
| 05:19.27 | brightshadow | ok, i was just wondering because it will not let me do anything to the volume groups |
| 05:19.40 | chalenged | eleusis: they didnt ask, the just leeched a server from what i was told... |
| 05:19.49 | jim | eleusis: /ignore is your friend; DO NOT let this fight you're trying to start take place here |
| 05:20.06 | MindUrBsns | anyone knows a nice graphical modem-dialler ? |
| 05:20.11 | MindUrBsns | any recommendations |
| 05:20.18 | eleusis | chalenged: i wasn't aware that one needed permission to download debian packages.. |
| 05:20.22 | rixth | MindUrBsns, are you new to Linux? |
| 05:20.23 | chalenged | eleusis: its all ages ago and no one really cares now...we steal stuff from ubunto too ...steal as in take without asking |
| 05:20.25 | bucky | kppp |
| 05:20.30 | MindUrBsns | rixth yes |
| 05:20.39 | MindUrBsns | I have kppp, any other available |
| 05:20.43 | rixth | MindUrBsns, do you have a winmodem? |
| 05:20.48 | jim | brightshadow: ok, PLEASE don't move around in the menus without telling me exactly what you see AT EACH POINT |
| 05:20.48 | MindUrBsns | no |
| 05:20.59 | MindUrBsns | I have external |
| 05:21.01 | chalenged | eleusis: no you dont but theres a big difference between dist-upgrade and wget 8000 packages for instance |
| 05:21.02 | MindUrBsns | works fine |
| 05:21.03 | neo_ | Hello I new here and want to know if it's the place to ask about some linux aplications |
| 05:21.04 | rixth | MindUrBsns, USE or serial? |
| 05:21.06 | rixth | USB* |
| 05:21.07 | jim | brightshadow: first, you want to create a vg |
| 05:21.11 | MindUrBsns | serial |
| 05:21.15 | dondelelcaro | chalenged: none of this as anything whatsoever to do with #debian. |
| 05:21.20 | brightshadow | jim; it says choose device for volume group but it will not let me select any |
| 05:21.25 | Learnen | anyone know what the best most popular command line internet browser is for debian? |
| 05:21.28 | rixth | Have you got it configured and working? |
| 05:21.38 | MindUrBsns | yes and i am using it now |
| 05:21.39 | jim | why? |
| 05:21.45 | Azar | Learnen, Links |
| 05:21.51 | chalenged | eleusis: same way its rude to attach 8 clients to download 1 file...it accelerates the client true but its still rude |
| 05:21.52 | neo_ | Learner: Links is very popular |
| 05:21.53 | punsad | neo_: are you using a debain system? |
| 05:21.57 | neo_ | yes |
| 05:21.58 | Learnen | thanks |
| 05:21.59 | dondelelcaro | Learnen: try links, lynx, elinks, or w3c. Find out which one works best for *you*. |
| 05:22.02 | rixth | Okay, try gnome-ppp & wvdial |
| 05:22.04 | MindUrBsns | ? |
| 05:22.05 | jim | brightshadow: PRECISELY what does it say? |
| 05:22.07 | punsad | neo_: what app are you wondering about? |
| 05:22.07 | mdh | !debain |
| 05:22.12 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 05:22.12 | eleusis | sorry, i can't help but laugh :D |
| 05:22.17 | neo_ | babytrans |
| 05:22.19 | punsad | s/debain/debian/ |
| 05:22.24 | Azar | dondelecaro, for some reason , in Sarge, lynx does not perform downloads |
| 05:22.27 | chalenged | dondelelcaro: true they just asked what ubuntu was based off...i balloned hehe |
| 05:22.30 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it does... |
| 05:22.42 | jim | Ain and Dbe! |
| 05:22.43 | neo_ | a multilanguage translator |
| 05:22.49 | MindUrBsns | rixth : so ? |
| 05:22.58 | bucky | Azar, did you file a bug? |
| 05:23.03 | dondelelcaro | jim: at least ian's girlfriend wasn't named dweeb |
| 05:23.11 | Azar | dondelecaro, then I have got something wrong in my lynx configuration, maybe security stuff |
| 05:23.13 | rixth | MindUrBsns, I'm just saying give those a try. |
| 05:23.26 | Azar | bucky, no, I just started using links instead |
| 05:23.30 | MindUrBsns | by the way |
| 05:23.38 | brightshadow | this is what it looks like Devices for the new volume group; [ ] /dev/ide/host0/target0/lun0/part4 () |
| 05:23.40 | jim | then we'd all be installing .dweebs now! |
| 05:23.53 | punsad | neo_: apt-cache search is always a good place to start... if not - go sourceforge or freshmeat and install from source. I think there's some good debian packages that help streamline installing from tar ball |
| 05:23.55 | MindUrBsns | what is the best dialup modem for linux in general |
| 05:24.02 | dondelelcaro | MindUrBsns: a real live serial modem. |
| 05:24.06 | jim | brightshadow: so there's no available devices |
| 05:24.09 | MindUrBsns | is it us robotics external ? |
| 05:24.25 | neo_ | I have installed babytrans already |
| 05:24.28 | brightshadow | yes |
| 05:24.41 | neo_ | from .deb and .tar |
| 05:24.45 | MindUrBsns | how about Dsl |
| 05:24.45 | jim | ok, we have to find out why that is so... did you change the partition? |
| 05:24.48 | brightshadow | what do i need to do in this menu. what will i create |
| 05:24.51 | dondelelcaro | MindUrBsns: since that's a real live serial modem, it's good enough. |
| 05:24.56 | jim | ok, we have to find out why that is so... did you change the partition? |
| 05:24.57 | punsad | oh.. cool. I've never used it. Sorry |
| 05:25.06 | MindUrBsns | I wana move to Dsl connection, which kind of dsl modem i should choose |
| 05:25.12 | mdh | MindUrBsns: most external modems are fine. they're all pretty much much of muchness now since the majority of the world has moved from dialup to higher-bandwidth stuff |
| 05:25.15 | dondelelcaro | MindUrBsns: one that has an enternet adapter. |
| 05:25.16 | punsad | neo_ : I take it its not working properly? |
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| 05:25.22 | dondelelcaro | s/enternet/ethernet/ |
| 05:25.24 | neo_ | but /usr/bin-babytrans don work |
| 05:25.34 | jim | MindUrBsns: one that has an ethernet port (not usb) |
| 05:25.34 | brightshadow | no they are all set up as you directed |
| 05:25.39 | Azar | MindUrBsns, when you subscribe to DSL they give you a router, you only need to have an ethernet card in your PC |
| 05:26.12 | MindUrBsns | Azar so any dsl with ethernet card works fine? |
| 05:26.13 | punsad | neo_: any error messages? |
| 05:26.17 | jim | brightshadow: did it "format" the lvm partition? |
| 05:26.18 | MindUrBsns | i have this already |
| 05:26.19 | neo_ | yes, dont work properly |
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| 05:26.22 | Azar | MindUrBsns, yes |
| 05:26.33 | MindUrBsns | but I nkow there is dsl modems with no ethernet card |
| 05:26.37 | mdh | MindUrBsns: there's a netgear model that actually runs linux, you can do all sorts of funky stuff with it |
| 05:26.39 | MindUrBsns | usb ones |
| 05:26.41 | neo_ | not, I can't find any error message |
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| 05:26.54 | jim | MindUrBsns: yes, and you don't want that |
| 05:26.58 | MindUrBsns | hmm |
| 05:26.58 | ale_ | im using gift, which i just downloaded, but it says only 46k users are connected to the network, so it's a very small peer to peer network. What is the popular client for debian that you can use to connect to the emule / kazaa networks? |
| 05:27.11 | punsad | neo_:is this package part of sarge? etch? |
| 05:27.18 | mdh | I'd get a Cisco 1751 and deck it out |
| 05:27.25 | MindUrBsns | good so the rule is, serial for dialup, and ethernet card for dsl |
| 05:27.31 | rixth | mdh, not everyone has mucho $ to get Cisco stuff :) |
| 05:27.37 | jim | I would, yes. |
| 05:27.39 | MindUrBsns | i will recommend this for friends too moving to linux |
| 05:27.47 | neo_ | I look /var/log/message and dont find error messages about babytrans |
| 05:28.03 | sith-R2D2 | quesiton - what is the utility to configure acpi in debian? |
| 05:28.04 | jim | in fact anyting much faster than dialup shhould have an ethernet port |
| 05:28.05 | mdh | rixth: they're not too expensive, it's about $1 a model number to complete it |
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| 05:28.11 | punsad | rixth: I just bought a used cisco 350 wireless card for ~$25 usd shipped. granted it was used, but does work |
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| 05:28.23 | neo_ | no, I download it from external sites |
| 05:28.25 | brightshadow | jim; can i just install with outcreating volume groups |
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| 05:28.33 | ohad | hi, i am trying to setup the ipw2200 driver. i have downloaded both the firmware and the ipw2200 driver. i have downloaded the source of ipw2200 and cp'd over the *.fw files to the supposedly right location. when i try to go to my untar'd dir of ipw2200-1.0.4 and run make i get the following errors: |
| 05:28.40 | jim | brightshadow: no, I don't think so |
| 05:28.42 | MindUrBsns | punsad what!! only $25 |
| 05:28.44 | MindUrBsns | hmmm |
| 05:28.46 | punsad | neo_: you are sure you have all the |
| 05:28.56 | chalenged | jim usb/ubs2 is common on the bridge routers tho as optional |
| 05:28.59 | neo_ | but, apt-get not declare break dependences |
| 05:29.01 | MindUrBsns | these cost a fortune |
| 05:29.06 | punsad | MindUrBsns: yeah - go to ebay and check it out... there's tons of 'em. |
| 05:29.07 | ohad | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/ohad/ipw2200-1.0.4 MODVERDIR=/home/ohad/ipw2200-1.0.4 modules make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build: No such file or directory. Stop. make: *** [modules] Error 2 |
| 05:29.09 | ale_ | hi, what do i use in debian to download music? like, what is the popular software to connect to the emule & kazaa networks? |
| 05:29.10 | dondelelcaro | ohad: have you installed ipw2200-source; yet and followed the instructions? |
| 05:29.23 | rixth | mdh, punsad, I thought Cisco only made massive 12+ port routers/switchs? |
| 05:29.24 | jim | I just did this and it worked |
| 05:29.25 | jimbo7 | hey guys what kernel arch should i use for an intel centrino pentium-M processor? |
| 05:29.30 | sith-R2D2 | omg - acpi enabled on my laptop is making my laptop emit a high-pitched faint noise which is very annoying...how do i disable acpi to eliminate this high pitch bullshit? |
| 05:29.43 | jim | ok, try this... |
| 05:29.49 | dondelelcaro | sith-R2D2: boot with noacpi |
| 05:29.57 | punsad | You'll flip when you see my thinkpad 570E PIII 500MHz which I got for $325 USD, shipped. Slightly used display, but works great at <4lbs |
| 05:29.57 | ohad | dondelelcaro, i have followed the instractions. i have also downloaded the kernel header |
| 05:30.09 | Azar | jimbo7 do a apt-cache search kernel-image you will see a list |
| 05:30.18 | punsad | Slightly *loose* display that is... |
| 05:30.25 | dondelelcaro | ohad: and you're using the 2.6.8-2 kernel that came with sarge? |
| 05:30.36 | chalenged | sith-R2D2: what processor is it your running? |
| 05:30.41 | ale_ | what do you guys use to download music? |
| 05:30.45 | jimbo7 | anyone know which architecure i should be using? |
| 05:30.48 | dondelelcaro | ohad: what does dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386; report? |
| 05:30.48 | jim | bthem's the breaks; I have to reherse |
| 05:30.49 | chalenged | ale_ cds |
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| 05:31.00 | ale_ | other than that? |
| 05:31.00 | punsad | ale_: bittorrent+bt.etree.org .... 100% legit |
| 05:31.01 | mush | ale_: giftd |
| 05:31.02 | chalenged | ale_ itunes |
| 05:31.10 | brightshadow | jim do i need to creat a root file system? |
| 05:31.21 | jim | brightshadow, go out of the lvm configure back to the partitioner |
| 05:31.28 | jim | you didn't already?? |
| 05:31.28 | mdh | rixth|away: hell no, they make all kinds of stuff. The local telco here gives you a free 800 series with your ADSL connection, for example... |
| 05:31.34 | ohad | dondelelcaro, ii kernel-image-2 2.6.8-16 Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386. |
| 05:31.36 | jim | I thought we did that!! |
| 05:31.37 | ale_ | mush im looking at giftd, but there are only 46k users :( |
| 05:31.44 | brightshadow | ok im there |
| 05:31.48 | ale_ | chalenged i will look |
| 05:31.53 | dondelelcaro | ohad: and ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build ? |
| 05:32.09 | jim | let's take care of that first, what are ALL the mount points you see? |
| 05:32.21 | trave11er | ohad: you need both kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 and kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 installed |
| 05:32.22 | jim | there shouuld only be 2 |
| 05:32.26 | sith-R2D2 | dondelelcaro, how to set my boot to noacpi everytime? which file do i modify? |
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| 05:32.33 | trave11er | ohad: you probably don't have the latter |
| 05:32.41 | chalenged | dondelelcaro ohad: broken symlink |
| 05:32.42 | sith-R2D2 | chalenged, it's a celeron chip in a latop ...sorry no centrino here. :) |
| 05:32.42 | dondelelcaro | sith-R2D2: add it to your menu.lst or lilo.conf |
| 05:32.48 | ohad | trave11er, what latter? |
| 05:32.51 | sith-R2D2 | dondelelcaro, i'm using grub. |
| 05:32.55 | _root_ | can anybody get me a patch for cpio-2.5 CAN-2005-1229 |
| 05:32.59 | trave11er | ohad: kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 05:33.00 | sith-R2D2 | dondelelcaro, does taht mean i add it to menu.lst? |
| 05:33.02 | ohad | dondelelcaro, ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build -- no such file or dir |
| 05:33.04 | dondelelcaro | sith-R2D2: yes. |
| 05:33.14 | jim | I gotta go... can someone help brightshadow please |
| 05:33.18 | chalenged | dondelelcaro ohad: the symling points to /home somewhere rather than where its meant to.. |
| 05:33.35 | dondelelcaro | ohad: then you don't have kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 installed. |
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| 05:33.43 | ohad | chalenged, where should i repair that symlink? |
| 05:33.54 | trave11er | chalenged: if the build symlink points somewhere strange, it's a hand-rolled kernel, kthxbye :-) |
| 05:33.59 | dondelelcaro | chalenged: eh? that has nothing what soever to do with anything. |
| 05:34.10 | darkcmd | is there a way I can download the debian coreutils source, patch it and build the package and install easily? |
| 05:34.14 | ohad | dondelelcaro, i do now:) |
| 05:34.16 | brightshadow | jim; 82 mb /boot, 198mb nothing, 1gb swap, 168gb nothing |
| 05:34.16 | jimbo7 | why is there no kernel-source-2.6.11-1 in the apt repository? |
| 05:34.20 | ^QwErTz^ | what is the gui frontend for gift? |
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| 05:34.33 | trave11er | jimbo7: there is, in unstable |
| 05:34.47 | jimbo7 | traveller: really? sweet |
| 05:34.48 | chalenged | ohad dondelelcaro: in lib/modules/kernelversion is a symlink called build...its pointing to the wrong spot delete it and try else make it link to /usr/src/kernelheaders directory |
| 05:34.48 | dondelelcaro | !info kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 05:34.49 | ohad | dondelelcaro, :) |
| 05:34.53 | dpkg | kernel-source-2.6.11: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.11 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.11-7 (sid), Packaged size: 35523 kB, Installed size: 35648 kB |
| 05:34.54 | Azar | jimbo7, the highest official offered in Sarge is 2.6.8 |
| 05:35.06 | jimbo7 | Azar: im using etch |
| 05:35.12 | ohad | dondelelcaro, you are right. now i can run make and make install:) thanks! |
| 05:35.13 | jim | brightshadow: set the 198 mb to mount point / |
| 05:35.13 | dondelelcaro | chalenged: no there isn't. lib/modules/2.6.8-2/build is not a symlink. |
| 05:35.18 | ohad | chalenged, thanks as well |
| 05:35.24 | myren | wow does Firefox ever suck |
| 05:35.30 | Azar | jimbo7 oh, do what dondelecaro said |
| 05:35.35 | myren | the download manager is just attrocious; it takes like 2 minutes to start a download |
| 05:35.43 | brightshadow | ok any thing else |
| 05:36.01 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: yes. download the source, make the patch, up the epoch, and install the new version. |
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| 05:36.04 | jim | sorry; I've run out of time |
| 05:36.18 | brightshadow | ok thanks for your help |
| 05:36.21 | jim | np. |
| 05:36.26 | chalenged | jimbo7 theres some drivers that may not be in there anymore due to licensing but i dont know if it was taken out of source |
| 05:36.31 | darkcmd | dondelelcaro: up the epoch? |
| 05:36.32 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: be prepared to track future changes to coreutils and/or pick up peices if you break anything |
| 05:36.43 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: either up the epoch or hold the package. |
| 05:36.49 | trave11er | dondelelcaro: it is normally a symbolic link pointing to the /usr/src/kernel-headers-version-flavour |
| 05:36.53 | darkcmd | what epoch? |
| 05:37.06 | chalenged | dondelelcaro: well alsa did the same thing on that and it was a broken link...errored the same path i found in the link was /home/developers name |
| 05:37.09 | jimbo7 | what is the difference between deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 05:37.10 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: the epoch part of the package version number. |
| 05:37.16 | darkcmd | ok |
| 05:37.19 | darkcmd | thanks :D |
| 05:37.32 | trave11er | chalenged: a) you are talking about 'source' link, not 'build' link |
| 05:37.37 | dondelelcaro | ala 999:5.2.1-2; the 999 being the epoch. |
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| 05:37.47 | jimbo7 | sorry, what is the difference between kernel-source-2.6.11-1-686 and kernel-source-2.6.11 ? |
| 05:37.48 | trave11er | chalenged: b) this problem has been fixed in latest kernel-package |
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| 05:38.08 | trave11er | jimbo7: there is no kernel-source-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 05:38.16 | chalenged | trave11er ahh kk |
| 05:38.20 | trave11er | chalenged: which is, sadly, available only in sid |
| 05:39.32 | chalenged | dondelelcaro: i apologize it may have been source not build that was bugged....the message does look like the one from source.... |
| 05:40.42 | chalenged | jimbo7: you may find 2.6.12 arriving soon too not sure if its packaged yet tho |
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| 05:41.39 | mosty | why wait for it to be packaged? you can compile it yourself now |
| 05:42.19 | chalenged | mosty: i am 8) i tend not to suggest pritines tho for users |
| 05:42.24 | sith-R2D2 | dondelelcaro, instead of totally disasbling acpi...is there a utility for configuring acpi in debian? |
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| 05:46.55 | sith-R2D2 | does anybody's laptop make a high-pitch buzz when idle in debian? i kinow it's acpi related...and i see some kernel modifications you can recomplie on the web...but id on't want to recompile my kernel...is there a better way around this to eliiminate the high-pitch buzz? |
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| 05:48.53 | dondelelcaro | sith-R2D2: most acpi stuff can be modulated using echo and cat. |
| 05:48.55 | mosty | sith-R2D2, i have noticed it, but i don't have windows on my laptop to compare it to :/ |
| 05:49.16 | bLAStY` | hmm.. a remote box of mine running debian crashed yesterday evening 1.5 hours after I dist-upgraded... could it have anything to do with some of the "stable" packages not being so stable at all? |
| 05:49.35 | dondelelcaro | bLAStY`: crashed how? |
| 05:49.50 | sith-R2D2 | mosty, windows doesn't make that high pitched noise |
| 05:49.52 | eleusis | fell from the rack! |
| 05:49.53 | eleusis | :P |
| 05:50.02 | bLAStY` | well.. only thing that I know is, nothing is reachable anymore, host isnt ping-able, and the ircd crashed with message "Illegal seek" |
| 05:50.06 | mosty | sith-R2D2, how do you know it's acpi related? |
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| 05:50.38 | sith-R2D2 | i googled it: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises, plus the noise activates when the kernel is loading the acpi modules...so i'm sure it's acpi related |
| 05:50.39 | bLAStY` | this makes me far from happy since the server is far far away :P |
| 05:50.39 | dondelelcaro | bLAStY`: if you had a kernel panic, that's first and foremost an kernel bug. There can always be lurking RC bugs, of course. |
| 05:51.05 | bLAStY` | hmm.. but wouldnt a kernel bug only occur after I upgraded my kernel? ;) |
| 05:51.31 | sith-R2D2 | mosty, think about it...the acpi will lower the processor speed when idle, and that lower frequency will fall intot he audible human hearing range <20kHz...i think the idle freq is 1000Hz...which is defeinitely within human hearing freq range |
| 05:51.32 | bLAStY` | this kernel had been running for 100 days straight without problems.. |
| 05:51.47 | bLAStY` | it was a 2.4.27 grsec patched one iirc |
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| 05:52.00 | rixth | That damned KVCD I converted to DivX refuses to play in Xbox Media Center :( |
| 05:52.08 | sith-R2D2 | mosty, so the website says you just change one line in your param.h file in kernel sources and recompile |
| 05:52.11 | eleusis | bLAStY`: you really should figure out what caused your machine to crash |
| 05:52.21 | sith-R2D2 | mosty, you change the 1000Hz setting to the 100Hz setting that was used in kernel 2.4 |
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| 05:52.40 | bLAStY` | eleusis, I'm trying to.. already send out a "ticket" to the company, but I guess this is going to cost me $$ again :( :P |
| 05:52.43 | sith-R2D2 | mosty, but i have never recomplied my kernel. infact, my deiban install is only a week old. lol :) i'm total n00b. a windows refugee |
| 05:52.48 | eleusis | ah |
| 05:53.00 | sith-R2D2 | mosty, but i understand computers for the most part. :) |
| 05:53.23 | mosty | sith-R2D2, i never bothered to look for a solution to this (tiny) problem, compiling a kernel is pretty easy |
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| 05:53.37 | eleusis | oh well |
| 05:53.39 | eleusis | crashes happen |
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| 05:54.40 | sith-R2D2 | mosty, the problem is irritating because the noise distracts from my work |
| 05:54.49 | sith-R2D2 | mosty, how would i recompile my kernel?? |
| 05:54.55 | sith-R2D2 | is it dangerous? |
| 05:54.56 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 05:55.43 | bLAStY` | very dangerous! dont do it! stick with precompiled kernels and modprobe everything! >_> |
| 05:55.49 | empty | sith-R2D2, not dangerous if you use the debian packages and follow the instructions, worse comes to worse you reboot to your old kernel and purge the jacked one |
| 05:55.56 | mosty | sith-R2D2, no it's not dangerous. you can either apt-get install kernel-source-theversionyouwant, or download it from www.kernel.org, untar it to somewhere, then see the readme inside |
| 05:56.37 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 05:56.40 | empty | sith-R2D2, you want to do it the Debian way, it will be MUCH easier on you unless you aready understand grub configs etc. |
| 05:56.54 | sith-R2D2 | i like the debian way |
| 05:57.00 | sith-R2D2 | apt-get install remove-high-pitch-acpi-noise |
| 05:57.08 | sith-R2D2 | alas, such a package doesn't exist |
| 05:57.24 | eleusis | alright |
| 05:57.26 | eleusis | time to file bug |
| 05:57.40 | mosty | sith-R2D2, the debian way would be to use kernel-package to build a kernel-image .deb |
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| 05:57.49 | sith-R2D2 | :) |
| 05:57.51 | sith-R2D2 | omg |
| 05:57.53 | sith-R2D2 | insanity |
| 05:57.57 | sith-R2D2 | i'm just a linux virgin |
| 05:58.01 | sith-R2D2 | it's too much for me to handle |
| 05:58.05 | brightshadow | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.12 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 05:58.14 | Azar | sorry, out of topic: anyone interested in recursive programming? |
| 05:58.36 | Azar | ok I take it as a no, sorry again |
| 05:59.02 | eleusis | heh |
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| 05:59.22 | darkcmd | anyone know about my issue even though I set my language to US english it spells dialog dialogue in xchat? |
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| 06:00.31 | mosty | darkcmd, maybe xchat has "dialogue" hardcoded |
| 06:00.48 | sith-R2D2 | question - is there one good debian book i can read that will prevent me from harassing more experienced users on this channel? i'm all for asking educated questions...but sometimes i find myself turning to IRC because it seem slike all the informaiton on the web is just so loosely organized and hard to pinpoint reliable consistent sources |
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| 06:01.53 | darkcmd | mosty, didn't ever have it for me |
| 06:01.54 | mosty | sith-R2D2, o'reilly books tend to be good, but i don't know if they have anything debian-specific |
| 06:01.58 | empty | sith-R2D2, not that I am aware of, but the online docs are good once you understand they are not 1) 2) 3) instructions but rather roadsigns on the footpath |
| 06:02.09 | sep | sith-R2D2: debianbook.info and the debian GNU/linux bible for sarge that is schedules real soon now (tm) |
| 06:02.17 | empty | o'reillys Running linux 3rd ed is good for beginners I hear |
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| 06:03.14 | sep | sith-R2D2: read the debian reference it contains a few gems, |
| 06:03.19 | sep | !debian reference |
| 06:03.20 | Azar | to Know Debian , linux books are not enough, one has to "grow" with Debian |
| 06:03.21 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 06:03.42 | sep | Azar: true, but a book gives you a kick in the ass in the right direction |
| 06:03.42 | Designer` | sith-R2D2: http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 06:03.59 | cmihai | Still looks kind of.. thin to me |
| 06:04.29 | Azar | sep, sometimes starting with "linux" might get the newbie confused by the time he tries to say hello to Debian |
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| 06:04.44 | bucky | Azar, i'm writing a book right now.. "Growing with Debian" |
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| 06:04.56 | bucky | it's a long bood |
| 06:04.57 | rixth | Azar, I think Debian is a great first distro. Get's you right in the stink of Linux. |
| 06:05.00 | cmihai | Yeee, I grew 2 inches since I started debian... |
| 06:05.02 | Azar | bucky, let me know when you finish it, I will be the first to buy it |
| 06:05.03 | bucky | s/bood/book |
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| 06:05.23 | cmihai | Enlarge your... erm never mind ;) |
| 06:05.30 | bucky | Azar, read the reference manual.. it's not too long |
| 06:05.52 | Azar | bucky? I do not understand what you are saying? |
| 06:06.08 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 06:06.33 | Azar | bucky I have that one, it is YOURS writing? |
| 06:06.45 | slackd00d | is there any good howtos on making your /usr/src/linux into a .deb kernel-source? |
| 06:06.56 | bucky | no.. did you read it? |
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| 06:07.21 | Azar | bucky, part of it some chapters are not filled yet |
| 06:07.32 | jm_ | slackd00d: read kernel-package docs and /msg dpkg kp ; /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 06:07.33 | dondelelcaro | slackd00d: use make-kpkg; man make-kpkg; |
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| 06:07.37 | bucky | slackd00d, if you use debian sources.. yes |
| 06:08.26 | slackd00d | ok, thank you...and ya, i used the debian kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 06:08.27 | Azar | bucky holdon, I think I am mistaken, what I have (among others) is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/index.html#contents |
| 06:08.31 | sith-R2D2 | thanks guys for the debian book/manual links!! :) bedtime see you guys later |
| 06:08.35 | Azar | checking yours now |
| 06:08.48 | bucky | Azar, use the reference ^^ |
| 06:09.01 | mdh | gah, make-jpkg is busted |
| 06:09.08 | Azar | wow this is new, bucky you wrote it? |
| 06:09.24 | bucky | no.. it's been around a long time |
| 06:09.43 | Azar | bucky this looks like written post Sarge release |
| 06:09.54 | bucky | it's been updated a little |
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| 06:10.29 | Azar | this is the most "recent" and looks most complete of all manuals, thanks bucky |
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| 06:14.00 | nvz | well I've once again got a pile of used hardware. These two Dell/Segate ~36GB Cheetah Ultra-3 SCSI drives, however I have no use in the world for.. I was wondering if its possible someone else would, before I put them in the trash pile :P |
| 06:14.01 | jm_ | heh |
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| 06:14.48 | mdh | nvz: s/in the trash pile/up for auction on ebay/ |
| 06:14.57 | nvz | looks like a propriatary connector on them, and a big black handle with a locking mech and lights on the one side. |
| 06:15.10 | nvz | I dont have any dell rack servers |
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| 06:15.52 | jm_ | proprietary? that would be silly |
| 06:16.26 | nvz | *shrugs* I dont use scsi, but it looks different than any internal or external scsi adapter I ever seen |
| 06:16.30 | mdh | jm_: so would not providing AMD64 servers... but that's Dell! |
| 06:16.49 | jm_ | you sure they're not in some sort of disk array enclosure? |
| 06:16.57 | sep | nvz: that's just a drive carrier for a hotswap cage, you can usualy remove the scsi hd from the carrier |
| 06:17.04 | jm_ | mdh: sure, they're Intel monkeys |
| 06:17.05 | mdh | although, to be fair, the only OS they support still doesn't have a supported 64-bit version |
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| 06:17.51 | nvz | sure doesnt look like it.. I'll check though |
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| 06:18.07 | nvz | its removable, but the big slide in connector seems to be on the drive |
| 06:18.31 | sep | nvz: that's the regular 80 ping scsi connector for hotswap cages |
| 06:18.35 | sep | 80 pin |
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| 06:19.02 | nvz | sep: well I dont even have SCSI and if I did it wouldnt be hotswap |
| 06:19.03 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You there? |
| 06:19.11 | sep | you get a different connector if you intend to mount it internaly |
| 06:19.22 | mdh | nvz: you have the drives, you can upgrade to SCSI now ;) |
| 06:19.31 | nvz | heh |
| 06:19.34 | sep | nvz: yes it would, that's one of the very great things about scsi. ! |
| 06:19.53 | TwistedEmotions | To download a directory with eveything on the inside I use wget -r and what other option? |
| 06:19.55 | sep | nvz: reminds me of myself when i was 4 :) |
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| 06:20.16 | sep | allways got in trouble for taking things apart. like the radio or the family's tv.. |
| 06:20.29 | helena | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 06:20.39 | nvz | yeah I've removed the drive from the bracket, its definatly part of the drive |
| 06:20.40 | mdh | time to boot into a new kernel I cobbled together with vim and duct tape |
| 06:20.43 | cmihai | You know, those things have some pretty powerfull condensators... |
| 06:20.45 | furrywolf | TwistedEmotions: read the bloody man page. |
| 06:20.52 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... mean to say what wget options are needed to download a whole directory? |
| 06:21.02 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep |
| 06:21.08 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: Grrrr... already did. I thought -r was right.. |
| 06:21.17 | nvz | Seagate Cheetah ST336605LC |
| 06:21.23 | nvz | I got two of em |
| 06:21.38 | nvz | and some yet to be discovered one in a metal external SCSI enclosure |
| 06:21.58 | furrywolf | nvz: if you want, I'll be happy to give you my mailing address. :P |
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| 06:22.40 | jm_ | sounds like 10krpm 36G disk, not bad ;) |
| 06:22.51 | nvz | furrywolf: you'd have to send me a self addressed and paid postage container.. :P I am fairly sure I am not going to use em. I would if I could.. but it doesnt look like it right now |
| 06:23.08 | furrywolf | heh. sadly I'm rather short on funds at the moment. |
| 06:23.27 | nvz | if I wasnt too, I would buy something to put em in |
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| 06:24.40 | individuality | dotslashconfig: waoo nice to meet you :) |
| 06:24.51 | nvz | I got a new network concentrator, since I left my last one in Texas |
| 06:25.06 | furrywolf | I'll add a couple domain-years onto a domain of your choice. :P |
| 06:25.14 | nvz | this one has one board for optics and two for ethernet w/ aui |
| 06:25.41 | eleusis | how long does it take until a bug filed via reportbug is visible on bugs.debian.org ? |
| 06:25.55 | nvz | I want microsoft.com, so they can pay me rent |
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| 06:26.50 | furrywolf | heh. would need to be a domain you control, obviously. :P |
| 06:27.04 | nvz | I am in control of no domains |
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| 06:27.16 | furrywolf | heh. oh well. :) |
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| 06:27.25 | furrywolf | sleepy wolfy time. |
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| 06:29.29 | eleusis | :-\ |
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| 06:30.00 | furrywolf | oh, and random wisdom of the day. Lieutenant M'Ress == puuur! :) |
| 06:30.12 | furrywolf | (if you don't know the name, watch more star trek!) |
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| 06:30.43 | eleusis | bloody trekkies |
| 06:31.10 | directhex | yeah. they should get out more. or watch some babylon 5 |
| 06:31.17 | eleusis | :) |
| 06:31.23 | furrywolf | heh. I'm not a trekkie. :) |
| 06:31.33 | eleusis | yeah right :P |
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| 06:32.46 | nvz | screw ebay, I believe froogle is free |
| 06:33.03 | nvz | though I never read the fine print or anything |
| 06:33.49 | Azar | interesting, so I can run scripts in runlevels so when I boot, security setups will run first |
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| 06:34.33 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 06:34.40 | eleusis | g'day |
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| 06:35.20 | furrywolf | http://www.danhausertrek.com/AnimatedSeries/MRess.html <== I've never seen the animated series... until the other day a relative mentioned he'd seen all star trek except them, so with about 30 seconds, had a torrent running of the entire animated series... |
| 06:36.37 | mdh | Azar: or you can just use rc.boot |
| 06:36.40 | eleusis | the doxygen bug, if anyone's interested: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315205 |
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| 06:37.22 | empty | bab5<trek<farscape<god |
| 06:37.36 | ethics | azar: yeah scripts in runlevels is how iptables is configued i think....firestarter etc add them automatically the numbers at the start of the files in runlevels is the order they load ie 99 is run last.. |
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| 06:38.06 | empty | ethics, yes, etc/init.d/iptables has a "save" and a "load" function |
| 06:38.16 | Azar | ethics is what I dream of doing: learning how to make a custom boot so the security kicks first, before other processes are started |
| 06:38.37 | Azar | .. I still have a lot more to read and learn |
| 06:39.01 | mdh | I dream of doing my gf... but whatever ;) |
| 06:39.09 | empty | mdh, me too :P |
| 06:39.22 | Azar | whatever a gf (girlfriend) means |
| 06:39.25 | nvz | well this external SCSI drive is only a 4.2GB, smells like trash to me ... heh |
| 06:39.38 | mdh | empty: I know shes good, but find your own ;) |
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| 06:40.04 | Golly | Hi all. I have a small problem... I've just setup my UPS with my debian box but i'd like it to send an email to xxxx@hotmail.com (for example) when there's a power problem... How do I do it? I need to change syslog.conf somehow? |
| 06:40.29 | mdh | nvz: that's a decent boot drive |
| 06:40.33 | directhex | Golly, edit your apcupsd settings |
| 06:40.41 | ethics | azar: everyone learns each day hehe some have just been learning longer or more specifically... |
| 06:40.49 | mosty | golly, which ups daemon are you using? |
| 06:40.50 | Golly | directhex: which file? |
| 06:40.59 | Golly | mosty: apcupsd :) |
| 06:41.15 | mosty | Golly, well then read the apcupsd docs :) |
| 06:41.19 | directhex | Golly, something in /etc/apc* i expect. i don't know the specifics off the top of my head |
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| 06:41.40 | nvz | mdh: yeah for someone who has scsi.. heh I think it may have come with that HP over there.. if it works, and can take this as a boot drive, then I may keep it and use that HP for the fileserver instead of my desktop :) |
| 06:41.44 | Golly | mosty: the docs say it broadcasts to syslog so I thought I'd need to setup it up there..... |
| 06:42.04 | Azar | ethics, I am like a fresh packet rushing through a maze of chapter/links, just when I learn about a topic I realize I cannot understand it unless I got to read another topic: chapter dependencies problem... takes time and patience |
| 06:42.15 | Golly | mosty: tried reading syslog help but I can't see how to make it send to an outside email address :( |
| 06:42.30 | Golly | directhex: thanks, i'll double check |
| 06:42.33 | mdh | nvz: that'd be good. fileservers want throughput, and desktops want latency. these two do not mix. |
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| 06:42.35 | mosty | golly: syslog isn't able to send logs via email, as far as i know. you'd do it from apcupsd |
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| 06:42.43 | directhex | Golly, acpupsd uses a bunch of scripts for taking action on things. add to the appropriate script |
| 06:42.50 | ethics | azar hehe yeah concepts need to be inplacve before specifics get learnt hehe |
| 06:43.02 | nvz | mdh: well my storage drives are both IDE UATA 100 drives |
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| 06:43.17 | yunni | hi, somebody from the states here? |
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| 06:43.51 | mdh | yunni: many countries have states. I'm sure everyone here is from one of them |
| 06:43.52 | Golly | directhex: but here's the thing, i'm thinking it might be more useful to have all critical system errors sent to xxxxx email addresss uf possible |
| 06:44.15 | empty | yunni, why would that matter? |
| 06:44.17 | nvz | time to clean off my desk... I need room to start hooking shit up and see what I can build here |
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| 06:44.29 | bakalaika | does anyone know that site which searched all international amazon sites to find the best prices? |
| 06:44.50 | cplx | can soemoen asssist me about PTR's etc.. I have spoken to my ISP to setup a ptr to say blahlbalh.blahblah.com for my dsl acount (static IP) so all I need ot do now is seutp an a record on the nameserver for blahlbalh.blahblah.com |
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| 06:45.06 | mdh | nvz: I took over what on the floor plan of our house would have been a dining room (its too small for us to be used as one) |
| 06:45.08 | cplx | do I need to setup my resolv.conf to look for the name server? |
| 06:45.23 | cplx | or doesnt it matter.. all need to do is keep it pointed to my ISP's dns servers? |
| 06:45.29 | empty | mdh, is that the line you fed your wife? O_o |
| 06:45.33 | ethics | Golly thats normal practice...id expect all critical things to be emailed to me to.. |
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| 06:46.02 | greyson | Ugh... so much slowness upgrading to sarge. |
| 06:46.03 | empty | mdh, Wow honey look at this BEAUTIFUL MAGNIFICENT GIGANTIC EXPENSIVE dinner table I bought for you don't you love it? |
| 06:46.16 | mdh | :) |
| 06:46.17 | valdyn | cplx: does not matter , except for the time it takes to resolve a name from localhost. |
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| 06:46.30 | polm | Can I run any sort of legal audio download app from within Linux ? Something like Napster or iTunes. |
| 06:46.32 | nvz | mdh: I took over what on the floorplan is called the basement, and old moonshine shelter we found under the house by accident when the wall was busted out some 30 years ago. |
| 06:46.34 | empty | cplx, are they handling the PTR or did they say the would delegate it? |
| 06:46.35 | Golly | ethics: indeed.... how to do it though on the otherhand....? :) |
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| 06:46.49 | yunni | empty: i need someone for a speed test.. got a lot of visitors (sometimes 350+ online at the same time), and i wonder if people from outside europe have slow speeds |
| 06:47.20 | empty | nvz, OMG that is rad. Build a linux controlled still, then you can say free as in speech and free as in hooch |
| 06:47.37 | ethics | golly: its gonna be really easy........google or man pages....apc are too big to not have had a howto written by someone sometime in the last 5 -10 years |
| 06:47.40 | empty | yunni Oh well then, yeah I am in the US |
| 06:47.44 | mdh | yunni: post your URL with the slogan "free pr0n here" on slashdot ;) |
| 06:47.49 | cplx | empty: my isp deals with the PTR's |
| 06:47.58 | ArtVandalae | Hello. Since the release of Sarge last week there hasn't been a need for any updates. Is this because there hasn't been any really bad bugs. Or have I messed up somewhere in the config? |
| 06:48.06 | yunni | ok, i'll post it here too, hope that i wont get kicked: free pr0n here: http://letsrock.roland-kaufmann.ch/index.php?page=babes |
| 06:48.08 | empty | yunni, mirror the new Troops fanfilm |
| 06:48.11 | greyson | yunni: Also in the US here |
| 06:48.31 | empty | cplx, nothing you need to do then it shuld Just Work |
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| 06:48.45 | yunni | we got kicked by our provider on sunday.. too much traffic, too much cpu used |
| 06:48.50 | greyson | pretty fast actually. |
| 06:49.00 | cplx | so basically only the ptr has to be changed.. that's it |
| 06:49.00 | ethics | ohh look free porn.... |
| 06:49.03 | ethics | 8) |
| 06:49.07 | nvz | heh. its just a little stone room probably 8ftx8ft and about 5ft high, sits under the house.. its probably been here long before the house was built.. it was found here by my grandparents before I was born |
| 06:49.21 | mdh | yunni: that took like 10 seconds to load from the arse end of the internet |
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| 06:49.42 | LinkinTurk | helle |
| 06:49.42 | ArtVandalae | yunni, timed out. I live in AUstralia |
| 06:49.45 | LinkinTurk | hello |
| 06:49.47 | empty | yunni, seriously, this is the best help I've given anyone here ever |
| 06:49.55 | LinkinTurk | hmm i have a problem |
| 06:49.56 | empty | yunni, and it is fairly quick |
| 06:50.00 | yunni | okay, thanks all :) |
| 06:50.04 | LinkinTurk | may you help me?? |
| 06:50.15 | yunni | ArtVandalae hm... maybe a dns timeout |
| 06:50.15 | empty | yunni, want me to "time" a recursive wget? ;) |
| 06:50.20 | vladkao | LinkinTurk: could you please, write more words on one line? |
| 06:50.34 | yunni | empty i cant do anything against it *g |
| 06:50.46 | LinkinTurk | ok i will it later at thÅŸs time |
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| 06:51.03 | ethics | yunni: im australia too..its a little sluggish but its not notabley slow..... |
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| 06:51.25 | mdh | ethics: that's because I just primed all the .au squid caches ;) |
| 06:52.23 | ethics | mdh: all of them? im on aapt atm but it may be hehe |
| 06:52.49 | empty | Yunni, I tried from my server and it's haling ass |
| 06:52.52 | empty | hauling |
| 06:53.09 | yunni | hm yeah :( |
| 06:53.29 | empty | yunni, want me to cacel it? |
| 06:53.36 | greyson | Funny -- yunni posts pictures of pretty women, asks us to load test it, and activity in the room goes dead... |
| 06:53.55 | yunni | no empty, doesnt matter :) |
| 06:54.01 | empty | greyson, I think people may be thinking in homonyms |
| 06:54.11 | empty | yunni, woot thanks :) |
| 06:54.24 | yunni | google ads suck.. hehe. some 100'000 hits, but only a few dollars. do they even show up?! and if so, are they in german? |
| 06:54.44 | yunni | i put them all around the pictures, doesnt help :) |
| 06:55.09 | thadk | I'm having issues with nano and https apache 1.3 processes segfaulting since upgrading to sarge. Any pointers? I am mixing a woody php4 4.3.11 from the dot.deb repository with 1.3.33-6 from sarge. |
| 06:55.16 | nvz | hmm this thing looks more technical than what I need.. heh all I needed was like a little 4port hub or something.. this is a "NetWorth 4000 Department Command Center" has two 10Base-T Host Modules and one Fiber Module. not to mention it will probably not be a good idea to hook my fileserver behind this, it will most likely slow transfers drastically not being 100Base-T |
| 06:55.54 | sep | thadk: yes, dont mix packages from different versions |
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| 06:57.21 | greyson | yunni doch, sie sind auf Deutche... |
| 06:57.23 | thadk | sep: I don't suppose the 4.3.10 in sarge is much less than 4.3.11 in dot.deb, but I don't understand why its only crashing on SSL, and as far as I know I'm not mixing anything for nano. |
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| 06:57.40 | greyson | pardon my terrible spelling... |
| 06:57.52 | greyson | I speak better than I write. |
| 06:58.32 | Azar | I am wondering if anyone is still using Potato... |
| 06:58.32 | nvz | that sucks, because this HP looks like it would make a damn good server |
| 06:58.47 | greyson | Azar: Probably a router in someone's closet. |
| 06:59.07 | Azar | it should be removed from the manuals |
| 06:59.33 | nvz | I may have to also make it a router. |
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| 07:00.53 | ethics | yunni: Unbekannte Schönheit on the site...is that a before and after shot? |
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| 07:01.22 | greyson | nvz: Never underestimate the old hardware... I have a full hosting service running off two SPARCstation20's |
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| 07:02.27 | greyson | ... and it's those same servers that are *still* updating to sarge ... |
| 07:02.43 | nvz | greyson: yeah I like the looks of this old HP.. its got a Pentium MMX 233 I believe in it.. also seems to have a scsi controller in one of the pci slots.. I am trying to get a closer look but they are a type of screw I dont exactly have a tool for |
| 07:03.06 | Azar | interesting way to disable X on boot, I am wondering if that is still valid |
| 07:03.09 | greyson | Probably torque-wrench |
| 07:03.16 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start |
| 07:03.20 | greyson | nvz: star-shaped? |
| 07:03.25 | ethics | nvz: hp scsi is prolly a symbios card by that agegrouping hehe |
| 07:03.28 | yunni | ethics: hm there are a lot of "unbekannte schönheiten" ;) |
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| 07:03.44 | yunni | and hey, do you get advertisings around the picture? and what language are they? |
| 07:04.05 | nvz | I only have one port on my wireless modem/router/gateway POS, and if I user this old "Department Command Center" thingy for a switch it looks like I will have to slow my network down to 10BaseT which wouldnt be good for a fileserver |
| 07:04.06 | ethics | yunni: ok well the two i saw looks like 2 different people heheh eybrows in totally different places hehe |
| 07:04.14 | greyson | yunni: Yes, and in german. |
| 07:04.23 | ethics | yunni: doesnt matter i was just curious heheh |
| 07:04.26 | yunni | "unbekannte schönheit" just means "unknown beauty" |
| 07:04.31 | nvz | I may have to make the fileserver a router to also get me online with my desktop to avoid using that |
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| 07:05.50 | ethics | yunni: ahh kk then in that case good work hehe....i dont get ads on the pictures page at all...it looks like a poll on the right and something with coloured lights below |
| 07:05.51 | greyson | nvz: What's your uplink/downlink? If it's less than 10Mbps then using a fileserver behind the HP won't make too much of a differenc. |
| 07:06.26 | nvz | greyson: the clients are all wireless on the wireless modem/gateway thingy |
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| 07:06.36 | ColonelKernel | anyone gotten gaim-vv installed in debian? |
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| 07:06.47 | nvz | greyson: the wired port on the modem I figure is 100BaseT though as its a new modem |
| 07:06.49 | greyson | ColonelKernel: gaim-vv? |
| 07:07.02 | greyson | Almost definitely. |
| 07:07.04 | AciD|Wrk | oi |
| 07:07.29 | ethics | yunni: oh and a banner ad right at the top...google in corner of it |
| 07:07.29 | yunni | hehe ethics ok.. you should get them around the babes when you click on them ;) |
| 07:07.30 | nvz | greyson: this HP has what looks to be a 3com PCI card, has Coax, Ethernet and AUI ports on it |
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| 07:07.57 | nvz | I dont really know what the AUI ports are.. but I have them on this switch thingy too |
| 07:07.59 | greyson | nvz: Probably 10base -- but you might be able to sub a cheap 100bT |
| 07:08.29 | yunni | lets talk about debian. =) |
| 07:08.34 | ColonelKernel | greyson, gaim with video and voice |
| 07:08.57 | mdh | yunni: which one of them is called "debian" ? ;) |
| 07:09.12 | greyson | ColonelKernel: Huh... didn't know such a thing was ready -- no, I've obviously not gotten it on debian (or anywhere else, for that matter) |
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| 07:09.32 | ethics | yunni: only the top google banner ad around means left and right too? |
| 07:09.53 | TBBle | I'd like to see game-vv going, so I have something to throw voice chat requests to when they come in on centericq. This of course assumes gaim-vv can be told "just connect to this Yahoo! voice chat room"... |
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| 07:10.06 | yunni | hehe mdh :) ethics: the left and right banner collapses if google doesnt have ads to put in |
| 07:10.29 | ethics | yunni: other than that speeds ok. |
| 07:10.51 | thadk | ColonelKernel: I just looked up the status on that yesterday, seems to be a bit ship wrecked as of march (from the last posting on their devel list) in general though it sounded like it might run on linux gaim. |
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| 07:11.22 | ColonelKernel | thadk, thats what im lookin for |
| 07:11.45 | ColonelKernel | I found this |
| 07:11.48 | ColonelKernel | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=274600 |
| 07:11.50 | nvz | well the scsi car is an adaptec pci card, has one internal and one external connector doesnt appear to have a BIOS, so I dont think I can use it to boot from |
| 07:11.54 | mdh | just use skype. |
| 07:11.59 | ColonelKernel | i sure would like to find the package though |
| 07:12.01 | mdh | support the stuff that supports linux |
| 07:12.06 | brightshadow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.09 | brightshadow | ? |
| 07:12.19 | nvz | havent got to the ethernet card yet to see what model yet but I am pretty sure its a 3com |
| 07:12.26 | ethics | brightshadow, one that retrieves the files you want.. |
| 07:12.29 | greyson | brightshadow: How do you mean? |
| 07:12.34 | brightshadow | i want to use the internet |
| 07:12.36 | ethics | brightshadow, apt-setup perhaps? |
| 07:12.44 | greyson | brightshadow: Aren't you already? |
| 07:13.01 | Azar | "chrony" package is a gui-based or console? |
| 07:13.02 | brightshadow | im just setting up debian for the first time and im useing the network install |
| 07:13.09 | greyson | brightshadow: Do you mean "Which sources wolud we recommend?" |
| 07:13.20 | ethics | brightshadow, there are debian sources and others also but apt-setup is where you need to start i think |
| 07:13.32 | brightshadow | ya, like the http of the ftp? |
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| 07:13.50 | greyson | brightshadow: That's more a matter of taste -- they all have the same packages on them. |
| 07:14.08 | ethics | brightshadow, as root run apt-setup you will get a simple pick a mirror listing |
| 07:14.15 | bucky | Azar, apt-cache show chrony |
| 07:14.24 | brightshadow | do you know how i set it up or anything, im having trouble with that |
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| 07:14.30 | Azar | thanks bucky, I badly need to setup my correct time |
| 07:14.45 | ethics | brightshadow, if you really care about the closest one then apt-spy may be of concern but its optional |
| 07:15.02 | brightshadow | oks |
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| 07:16.24 | Azar | hmmm, it does not look ideal for me |
| 07:16.52 | ArtVandalae | What doesn't? |
| 07:16.55 | greyson | Azar: I use ntpsimple... the trick is finding time servers close to you. |
| 07:17.01 | ArtVandalae | Sorry wrong channel :\ |
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| 07:17.19 | bucky | Azar, ntp-simple usually does the right thing |
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| 07:17.34 | Azar | greyson my ideal time keeper could be ntp free |
| 07:17.39 | ethics | greyson, Azar : ntpsimple and the gnome applet seems to do fine by me.. |
| 07:18.04 | Azar | I am trying to avoid process connections for security reasons, at least for now |
| 07:18.26 | nvz | well its a 3com EtherLink XL PCI 3c900-Combo hopefully its supported |
| 07:18.27 | Azar | ethics, it will be a while until I will reinstall X server |
| 07:18.36 | bucky | Azar, most people don't have their time set right in their bios |
| 07:18.44 | d0ug | hey anyone had any luck with achims-guestbook or nms-guestbook? |
| 07:18.45 | mdh | Azar: in that case, buy a compatible GPS and setup ntpd to sync from it |
| 07:18.50 | nvz | most of these old 3coms are |
| 07:19.04 | greyson | most ISPs have NTP servers -- if not, there's a good listing of open public servers here... http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome (looks different than I remember) |
| 07:19.14 | Azar | bucky, it was my fault at my last reinstall I messed up the time setting, instead of Yes I picked No on GMT time |
| 07:19.29 | cahoot | mdh: nifty |
| 07:19.46 | Azar | greyson, even on my windows PC I have blocked the ntp connections |
| 07:19.53 | mdh | cahoot: :) I think Garmin make compatible ones |
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| 07:20.18 | Azar | for now I will try to figure out how to setup time/date by hand |
| 07:20.34 | greyson | Azar: Actually -- this is all meant to be out-going only... you do not need to have ports open to the world. |
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| 07:20.40 | mdh | Azar: "man date" and "hwclock" |
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| 07:21.37 | greyson | Hehe... man date... so many connotations. |
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| 07:21.52 | Azar | mdh, hwclock: Jan 9 13:16:14 2002 :) |
| 07:22.01 | e2e | Hi, i get "No alternatives for x-display-manager." when i try to change my display manager. But dpkg-reconfigure gdm shows xdm and gdm |
| 07:22.05 | mdh | Azar: that's your bios time :) |
| 07:22.14 | ethics | greyson, you were quick picking up on that...is that like gaydar? |
| 07:22.22 | Azar | mdh I would guess so |
| 07:22.35 | empty | greyson, try "mount /" on for size |
| 07:22.38 | Azar | mdh, same thing I get at "date" command |
| 07:22.40 | mdh | Azar: "hwclock -w" will change it to the current system time |
| 07:22.53 | mdh | Azar: and "hwclock -s" will do the reverse |
| 07:23.06 | greyson | ethics: Not really--- I was just thinking about mandates (congressional) until I typed man-date -- that's when the second one clicked ;) |
| 07:23.10 | mdh | Azar: and "date" can be used to set the current system time |
| 07:23.15 | Azar | mdh, it is not changing |
| 07:23.29 | greyson | empty: I preferr mountall |
| 07:23.46 | Azar | mdh "date" is only printing the info, there is no way I can change there |
| 07:23.52 | mdh | Azar: man date |
| 07:23.52 | ethics | greyson HAHA its funnier now i know what you were thinging hehe |
| 07:23.53 | empty | greyson, wouldn't want to mount a dirty one though! |
| 07:24.28 | mdh | dammit, just when I had thought I'd purged last night's tv crime investigation show... |
| 07:24.30 | greyson | that's why you always run checks against drives after they've been mounted too many times. |
| 07:24.42 | liable | e2e: try editing /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 07:24.55 | greyson | Azar: You can change it there... you just have to be root. |
| 07:25.01 | empty | greyson, a lot of people like automount but I prefer to do it on purpose :P |
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| 07:25.27 | empty | greyson, but then you fsck the dirty ones anyway |
| 07:25.34 | greyson | empty: *nod* I found that I was mounting far too many devices at once with automounting... |
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| 07:25.51 | e2e | liable: I can change with dpkg-reconfigure gdm or xdm. I want to know what is problem with update-alternatives |
| 07:25.54 | greyson | some of them wouldn't go away... |
| 07:26.00 | greyson | Okay... um... yeah... Debian. |
| 07:26.00 | empty | greyson, thats why you set a mount order O_o |
| 07:26.02 | mdh | I like to have the stream version of the ex editor |
| 07:26.02 | Azar | I assume the time is counted in military type format? |
| 07:26.14 | empty | greyson you can force them ;P |
| 07:26.18 | greyson | Bonjour! ca va? |
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| 07:26.23 | empty | Azar, Yes |
| 07:26.25 | empty | !fr |
| 07:26.25 | d0ug | salut yo |
| 07:26.32 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 07:26.43 | Azar | empty so 12 midnight is shown as 24.00? |
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| 07:26.52 | empty | Azar, 00:00 |
| 07:26.59 | Azar | empty, oh ok thanks |
| 07:27.01 | greyson | Azar: Usually as 00:00 |
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| 07:27.31 | greyson | Damn -- has anyone else done the woody->sarge upgrade on a headless machine..? |
| 07:27.38 | nvz | heh, this old HP has plug in VRM and SBP CACHE modules for the cpu |
| 07:27.54 | greyson | Is there *any* reason that I'm suddenly installing gnome and kde, and xfree on a machine with no monitor? |
| 07:27.54 | empty | I hate administering servers in multiple timezones, especially since I am an Arizona native(we do not observe the Great National Lie^w^w^wDaylight Savings Time) |
| 07:28.01 | ethics | is there a way to check if dma is running via sata drives? |
| 07:28.12 | Azar | did it !! thanks guys!! |
| 07:28.13 | mdh | greyson: vim depends on the gnome libs :( |
| 07:28.19 | empty | greyson, one better, I have done it on a bodyless machine |
| 07:28.21 | greyson | Azar: Congrats! |
| 07:28.34 | greyson | mdh: only if you install vim-gnome |
| 07:28.42 | empty | ethics, hdparm? |
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| 07:28.44 | ethics | !prize azar |
| 07:28.45 | mdh | greyson: wrong. |
| 07:28.51 | greyson | mdh: There's also vim-gtk, vim, and a whole bunch. |
| 07:28.57 | tarzeau | apple mac powerpc computers also have vga cards, right? how can i directly access them? they don't seem to have man inb/outb nor iopl,ioperm |
| 07:29.03 | ethics | empty nah scsi ....hdparm doesnt do it 8( |
| 07:29.07 | mdh | greyson: I know, and they mostly all depend on the gnome libs iirc |
| 07:29.10 | Azar | :) |
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| 07:29.40 | empty | no x deps in vim |
| 07:29.41 | greyson | mdh -- the straight vim requires no X11 libs of any kind -- I've been using it on console machines for years. |
| 07:29.44 | ethics | empty it may have updated tho so ill double check |
| 07:30.00 | empty | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgpmg1 (>= 1.19.6-1), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), vim-common (= 1:6.3-071+1) |
| 07:30.01 | karsten | OT: APODcool: Mars sunset: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0506/marssunset_spirit_big.jpg |
| 07:30.17 | Azar | greyson, I am a fan of woody>sarge upgrade, I do not know what headless means though |
| 07:30.26 | empty | Azar, no monitor |
| 07:30.30 | Azar | :) |
| 07:30.35 | greyson | vim-gtk (<< 6.0), vim-lesstif (<< 6.0), vim-perl (<< 6.0), vim-python (<< 6.0), vim-rt, vim-tcl (<< 6.0), vim-tiny, vim-tty (<< 6.0) |
| 07:30.37 | mdh | greyson: weird.. I tried to install vim on a sarge box I reinstalled here after it died and it wanted to pull in buttloads of gnome and xfree86 crap |
| 07:30.46 | greyson | Azar: No monitor. |
| 07:30.49 | Azar | oh, if you have the checklist of steps, you could do it, I would assume |
| 07:30.59 | mdh | I ended up installing nvi instead and aliasing vim=nvi ;) |
| 07:31.00 | empty | greyson, I did it chrooted into server images that aren't even really running- the trick is to tell dpkg not to mess with the boot sector O_o |
| 07:31.27 | mdh | its a headless server and all I cared about was vi keybindings in the editor.. not any special vim functionality |
| 07:31.39 | empty | Azar, it is simple really |
| 07:31.41 | bucky | Azar, hwclock --localtime ? |
| 07:31.41 | greyson | mdh -- it wants you to choose a type... I usually use vim-lesstif for my graphical vim... |
| 07:31.43 | Azar | I can tell you, the packages download + install takes more or less 45min depending on your connection, but still you have to do some input at times, based on scanf |
| 07:31.53 | Azar | bucky, no "date -s" |
| 07:32.04 | greyson | a bit oldschool... but then I rememeber when you had to wait for xfractint to finish the mandelbrot. |
| 07:32.23 | bucky | Azar, prolly have to log in and out before your window manager sees the difference |
| 07:32.36 | bucky | did it change it? |
| 07:32.44 | greyson | Azar: Actually, it's running on an hour here... but then again, the machines I'm upgrading are 33MHz |
| 07:33.09 | empty | greyson, I was not aware there was a gameboy debian port |
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| 07:33.14 | Azar | bucky, yes, I wasnt sure what format to use at date -s but I found an example on a manual refering to adjtimex |
| 07:33.24 | karsten | socket.c:1115: internal_send: 0.0.0.1#53: Invalid argument |
| 07:33.34 | mdh | Azar: man date |
| 07:33.35 | greyson | empty: well... isn't it ARM-based? (innocent look) |
| 07:33.40 | karsten | Anyone seeing that error? Presumably on host? |
| 07:33.45 | empty | heh |
| 07:33.47 | Azar | mdh thanks :) |
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| 07:34.12 | Punkcut | how do i get into linux rescue mode for debian? does debian have a boot disk or anything like that? |
| 07:34.14 | empty | I wonder how many marketing guys at MS got fired over "WinCE"? |
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| 07:34.27 | Azar | Punkcut, you need the installation CD |
| 07:34.29 | greyson | karsten: Looks like your DNS settings are screwed -- check /etc/resolv.conf... |
| 07:34.31 | empty | Punkcut, shoot be a grub boot option, Recovery mode |
| 07:34.31 | ethics | haha gotta love the underground...it appears the bluray code is around |
| 07:34.33 | tarzeau | you know what's funny , to run www.linuks.mine.nu/people/vga/vgaonoff.c on other people's computers ... |
| 07:34.40 | tarzeau | heh :) |
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| 07:34.48 | empty | Punkcut, assuming the system isn't that far gone |
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| 07:34.57 | ethics | Punkcut, the netinstaller can do alot recovery wise.. |
| 07:34.58 | greyson | (53 is the DNS port, and it seems that it's trying to use 0.0.0.1 as a DNS server... which I don't think should work... |
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| 07:35.18 | karsten | greyson: Haven't changed anything lately. Though I'm on testing/unstable... |
| 07:35.38 | Punkcut | ethics > i need to do be able to mount a VFAT partition on the same hard drive and use dd to create a bootsect image |
| 07:35.46 | Punkcut | ethics > i cant seem to get the mounting to work |
| 07:35.46 | mdh | Punkcut: you can also download and burn grml - it's a debian-based rescue cd |
| 07:35.52 | Jhair | quit |
| 07:35.54 | nvz | hmm I got some coord strechers here.. some fir RJ11 jacks and some for RJ45.. some are for 10BaseT and others are for 100BaseT |
| 07:35.57 | Azar | karsten maybe is the gcc .. |
| 07:36.25 | empty | 70m, 2,139 file, 40m38.217s... and it finishes *right* as yunni leaves LOL |
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| 07:36.56 | greyson | tarzeau: Nice! |
| 07:36.57 | ethics | punkcut: well linux26 from the boot prompt on net inst should do what you need....just detect the modules and then mount/chroot accross or whatever you need. |
| 07:37.11 | greyson | karsten: What are you trying to do that's giving that error? |
| 07:37.22 | tarzeau | greyson: :) run it in a loop to get some fancy effect |
| 07:37.31 | Punkcut | ethics: thank you I shall go try that |
| 07:37.35 | karsten | Azar: Yeah, it looks like a resolver lib update. |
| 07:37.54 | karsten | greyson: Ye Olde Spam LART Scripte frome Helle |
| 07:37.57 | ethics | punkcut np |
| 07:38.03 | tarzeau | greyson: using 0x3da it's probably possible to control how much of the screen can be seen |
| 07:38.06 | Azar | ethics, I cannot understand this concept: if the system is broken, meaning no bootup possible, how one could access the net with it to the netinstall fix? |
| 07:38.09 | karsten | greyson: ...which though I log it, doesn't log stderr. |
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| 07:38.12 | greyson | tarzeau: I'm on a TCP KVM extender... it doesn't *quite* have the same effect. |
| 07:38.15 | karsten | greyson: Error seems intermittante. |
| 07:38.20 | tarzeau | greyson: heh :) |
| 07:38.30 | R0ckET | howto create .deb? |
| 07:38.30 | Azar | ... that to excuse my lameness on netinstalling |
| 07:38.32 | empty | karsten, as an abuse administrator for the love of god please don't use those automatically |
| 07:38.38 | mdh | I'm infamous on linux-kernel again |
| 07:38.45 | d0ug | can i somehow trick programs that want mysql to use postgrl or am i gonna have to uninstall post to put mysql on? |
| 07:38.57 | tarzeau | greyson: i had the idea to do some fancy text scroller stuff using direct vga access some years ago. i think i can do that now |
| 07:39.03 | mdh | d0ug: you can run them both simultaneously |
| 07:39.08 | empty | d0ug, this ain't windows you can run both |
| 07:39.08 | karsten | empty: abuse for whom? |
| 07:39.08 | tarzeau | greyson: it might get quite pervert but fun |
| 07:39.15 | empty | karsten, an ISP |
| 07:39.17 | d0ug | frickin awesome. |
| 07:39.21 | greyson | tarzeau: I prefer my porn in aalib! |
| 07:39.24 | karsten | empty: Google me at news.admin.net-abuse.sightings. |
| 07:39.26 | Teemu_K | mm |
| 07:39.27 | karsten | empty: Who. |
| 07:39.37 | tarzeau | greyson: hah try cacaview from caca-utils! colored ansi/ascii porn! |
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| 07:39.47 | mdh | d0ug: some programs can be configured for different SQL backends, you might want to see if the one you want supports postgresql |
| 07:39.53 | greyson | hehe. |
| 07:39.58 | ethics | azar: the netinstaller is a running environment...you can still see the real drives etc once the modules are loaded....then you can mount the real drives as whatever you want then chroot accross which basically says use whats loaded to drive these partitions as though i booted off it... |
| 07:40.09 | karsten | empty: It's homebrew, it's pretty good, and it's based on upstream ISP. You got a problem with that? |
| 07:40.18 | empty | A small ISP that just got bought by a bigger one. I work with SgtChains if you are a NANAE guy, I'm *that* ~Empty |
| 07:40.37 | d0ug | mdh: i just want to get this guestbook working, dont want to get all crazy |
| 07:40.41 | karsten | empty: If you're an NANAE guy, I'm _that_ karsten. |
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| 07:41.05 | ethics | azar: basically its just like a bootdisk for dos/windows etc except c: is replaceable using the chroot |
| 07:41.10 | mdh | If you are a guy, I'm Spartacus |
| 07:41.12 | empty | karsten, Well automated abuse scripts invariably go gang aft agley the first time a decent joe hits em |
| 07:41.27 | ethics | azar: concept wise anyways |
| 07:41.33 | d0ug | mdh: the primary packages i gotta get include mysql-server and maybe phpmyadmin? |
| 07:41.38 | mdh | d0ug: if you can't be bothered changing anything, just run both. works for me. |
| 07:41.55 | mdh | d0ug: mysql-server mysql-client phpmyadmin |
| 07:42.06 | d0ug | thanks |
| 07:42.15 | ethics | azar: make sense now? |
| 07:42.24 | karsten | empty: Um. No. I don't do Joes. |
| 07:42.24 | greyson | wtf.. now it's installing gnucash? |
| 07:42.27 | empty | d0ug, phpmyadmin is a security hole. Make sure to lock it up with a .htaccess file at the least- preferably disable it when you are not actively using it |
| 07:42.34 | mdh | d0ug: mysql-admin and mysql-query-browser might be useful to you also |
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| 07:42.54 | karsten | empty: LART's based on the sending IP. If you've got bad WHOIS or rDNS, I may hit you. Otherwise, I hit responsible parties. |
| 07:43.02 | greyson | My drive is officially 88% full, and it's not done yet... |
| 07:43.11 | empty | karsten, so you'll be hand feeding then, I assumed you were an averageuser looking for something to terminate a procmail rule or something |
| 07:43.12 | d0ug | empty: .. not exactly top secret server |
| 07:43.18 | d0ug | mdh: thank you again |
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| 07:43.42 | raghavendra | hi whats the command to compress files expandable with the "expand" command? |
| 07:43.49 | empty | d0ug, would you like to host some kiddie porn, or maybe send out a few milion emails/ |
| 07:43.56 | d0ug | ok easy |
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| 07:44.17 | karsten | empty: No, it's manually launched on a mailbox of filtered mail. |
| 07:44.22 | empty | d0ug point is its *yours* |
| 07:44.28 | karsten | empty: So the script automates processing of vetted spam. |
| 07:44.34 | ethics | i have to admit im finding alsa 1.0.9 much better than 1.0.8 seems less crackly and dmix is better.... |
| 07:44.37 | d0ug | first the rhetorical questions, .. |
| 07:44.53 | empty | karsten, OK, as lo ng as there's a disconnect- I have seen waaay too many users implement The Great Solution and just end up flooding me with crap |
| 07:45.06 | d0ug | empty: I'll try to find another option but this is a little extreme, your reaction to someone inquiring about installing phpmyadmin |
| 07:45.29 | karsten | empty: What's your ISP's ASN? |
| 07:45.33 | empty | raghavendra, try "man expand" and look at the bottom under Related |
| 07:45.51 | empty | karsten, mind if I mesg? |
| 07:46.02 | raghavendra | empty, that section is empty ;) |
| 07:46.02 | karsten | empty: ...or if you don't want to tell me, look it up at http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/monthly-asn-report |
| 07:46.07 | karsten | empty: Go for it. |
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| 07:46.11 | empty | d0ug, just warning you, if you want to get raped feel free |
| 07:46.18 | karsten | empty: ...or s/asn/cidr/ for your CIDR. |
| 07:46.32 | ethics | raghavendra, compress at a guess....old msdays coming back to me |
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| 07:47.02 | raghavendra | empty, no i tried it out... doesnt work |
| 07:47.11 | Azar | tcp/ip sockets in c by M.J. Donahoo and K.L. Calvert |
| 07:47.14 | sema4 | does anyone know why I dont need to be root to apt-get update/install ??? |
| 07:47.28 | tarzeau | sema4: something is wrong |
| 07:47.41 | tarzeau | sema4: setuid root? sudo? |
| 07:47.50 | tarzeau | your user id is 0? id |
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| 07:47.56 | sema4 | tarzeau: I have sudo installed ... but I wouldn't have thoght apt would hvae used it |
| 07:48.03 | sema4 | id=1000 |
| 07:48.07 | mdh | d0ug: empty is using strong terms, but he/she/it is on the right path. Never open any administration interface to the world. Using .htaccess is a bare minimum - I'd personally stick phpmyadmin behind HTTPS also |
| 07:48.12 | empty | raghavendra, from the --help: "Convert tabs in each FILE to spaces, writing to standard output." |
| 07:48.49 | d0ug | empty seriously these things I understand and sometimes caution others about (on lower-level things like ircing as root) but when it looks like the guy, in this case me, frickin acquisces and Hey, thank you for the tip, indeed i do not want kiddy porn, it's time to stop exposing your teeth of tough love cautioning |
| 07:48.49 | tarzeau | sema4: not unless someone configured it to, or if someone used it |
| 07:49.07 | tarzeau | sema4: and you really only have debian and not something based on it? |
| 07:49.27 | bucky | d0ug, everybody forgets php4-mysql |
| 07:49.34 | liable | sema4: did you just use sudo, then after try apt? |
| 07:49.37 | sema4 | I used to use sudo apt-get |
| 07:49.47 | sema4 | liable: yeah |
| 07:49.51 | d0ug | bucky: is that a substitute? |
| 07:50.03 | tarzeau | sema4: look at /etc/sudoers |
| 07:50.07 | greyson | karsten: Not being up on spam... what am I looking for there (I see my ISP: Speakeasy... but I have no idea) |
| 07:50.19 | liable | sema4: sudo stays active for a certain amount of time. |
| 07:50.31 | bucky | d0ug, if you have a web app that depends on mysql it won't work without php4-mysql |
| 07:50.33 | tarzeau | liable: really? |
| 07:50.42 | sema4 | i am in group root ... so it doesn't promt me |
| 07:50.49 | tarzeau | sema4: LOOOOL |
| 07:50.58 | sema4 | sorry ... grou sudo |
| 07:51.09 | sema4 | tarzeau: LOOOOL ? |
| 07:51.13 | tarzeau | !LOL |
| 07:51.14 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a LOLer. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 07:51.18 | karsten | greyson: ...sorry? |
| 07:51.28 | karsten | greyson: Oh. |
| 07:51.34 | greyson | karsten: the ASN stuff.. |
| 07:51.38 | karsten | greyson: ...those are lists of where I'm getting spam from. |
| 07:51.41 | doug_ | k i'll get that too bucky |
| 07:51.42 | mdh | doug_: you might find you prefer mysql-admin and mysql-query-browser over phpmyadmin |
| 07:51.44 | sema4 | tarzeau: bitch |
| 07:51.51 | tarzeau | sema4: whore |
| 07:52.08 | mdh | doug_: or you simply prefer the standard mysql client and mysqladmin tools |
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| 07:52.27 | sema4 | so ... does apt use sudo behind the scenes if it can ??? |
| 07:52.27 | greyson | karsten: Huh... I see. cool. glad to see you've never gotten any from mephisto-tabernacle.net or foosoft.us *grin* |
| 07:52.30 | karsten | greyson: Speakeasy's pretty far down the list. You want to avoid ISPs in the top 10-20, generally. |
| 07:52.35 | empty | sema4, no |
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| 07:52.48 | sema4 | they why the hell does it work? |
| 07:53.05 | greyson | karsten: beacause they are more likely blacklisted? |
| 07:53.12 | empty | greyson, You a mossback? |
| 07:53.14 | Punkcut | ethics > I cant seem to mount any of the devices, everything seems to have extremely limited use |
| 07:53.26 | greyson | empty: A what? |
| 07:53.30 | sema4 | ohhh fuck |
| 07:53.30 | empty | sema4, have you run dpkg with sudo? |
| 07:53.36 | doug_ | i got this thing Advanced Gallery all unzipped and now configging it, all it wants is basic mysql info (where, l/p, etc) |
| 07:53.37 | empty | greyson, A Seattlite |
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| 07:53.46 | sema4 | I fucking hate it when I forget what ive done |
| 07:53.51 | greyson | empty: Nope. Clevelander. |
| 07:54.01 | greyson | (unfortunately) |
| 07:54.01 | sema4 | jcook@i8600:~$ alias | grep apt |
| 07:54.02 | sema4 | alias apt-get='sudo apt-get' |
| 07:54.05 | empty | greyson, Oh, forgot how far they stretched :) |
| 07:54.20 | Punkcut | ethics > i did what you said ran the linux26 install command and then entered the F2 virtual console after letting the modules load up. Why cant fdisk find any of the devs, and whats with this crazy /dev/ structure? |
| 07:54.21 | bucky | Clevland rocks |
| 07:54.41 | greyson | empty: Yeah, they go quite a ways now -- been using them for a few years and have loved every moment of it. |
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| 07:55.26 | doug_ | empty: i am not installing php4admin, dont even need it it appears .. I just am surprised that a very very common program like that is just chillin on the net with an outstanding rootable hole, and if so why is it apt-getable |
| 07:55.45 | ethics | Punkcut, oh its devfs...ie /dev/ide/ |
| 07:55.57 | karsten | greyson: Heh. |
| 07:56.08 | bucky | doug_, what rootable hole? |
| 07:56.11 | karsten | greyson: They _could_ be blocked by my ISP. I have no domain-specific blocks myself. |
| 07:56.38 | Punkcut | ethics > yah i get the it up to there, but what does target / lun / part/discs represent? and that still doesnt answer my question why none of my hard drives are being detected inside the debian installer |
| 07:56.59 | greyson | karsten: i doubt it, I only run qmail, no open relay on my external server (open relay is internal) and I'm the only one using them right now :) |
| 07:57.04 | empty | doug_, apt-get is no guarantee of security- for example you will have to set passwords on that mysql server when it finises DLing |
| 07:57.19 | Punkcut | ethics > as a side note that may complicate things is that 2 of my hard drives are on a separate PCI IDE controller card |
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| 07:58.02 | karsten | greyson: qmail *sucks* for doing post-receipt reject to "From:" sender. |
| 07:58.30 | karsten | greyson: ...disable that or filter all spam / viral mail before sending an NDA |
| 07:58.31 | ethics | Punkcut, could e part of it hehe ....what were you needing to do as a goal? |
| 07:58.37 | greyson | karsten: ?? post-receipt reject? |
| 07:58.50 | karsten | greyson: Yes. |
| 07:58.55 | empty | greyson, asynchronous bounce |
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| 07:59.07 | doug_ | empty: fair enough ... |
| 07:59.12 | karsten | greyson: Most MTAs can make a delivery determination at SMTP time and issue a 5xx reject. qmail can't. |
| 07:59.13 | empty | greyson, IE not barfing a 5xx error during SMTP |
| 07:59.23 | doug_ | bucky: <empty> d0ug, phpmyadmin is a security hole. Make sure to lock it up with a .htaccess file at the least- preferably disable it when you are not actively using it |
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| 07:59.36 | karsten | greyson: Result is that a non-delivery notification tends to get sent to the "From:" address rather than indicated at SMTP time through error codes. |
| 07:59.36 | empty | karsten, in fairness that was a design feature in 99 when it was written |
| 07:59.52 | karsten | empty: Yes. It is, however, a bug. And an extremely aggrevating one. |
| 07:59.53 | bucky | well that's any php |
| 08:00.02 | karsten | empty: It rates a special notice in my spam LART. |
| 08:00.03 | empty | karsten, not to mention that it sucks to implement in qmails security architecture |
| 08:00.14 | karsten | empty: Yes, that's also a bug. |
| 08:00.17 | greyson | karsten: Ah, gotcha. Well, being that I don't send rejects by any filtering means, is that such a problem? |
| 08:00.17 | doug_ | empty: hypothetically, if i were to use this WHICH I am not, if i followed your directions you would advise me that it's all good in the hood? |
| 08:00.21 | empty | karsten, I'm happy for you |
| 08:00.26 | karsten | empty: qmail is a really good study in single-factor optimization. |
| 08:00.38 | empty | doug_, Pulling it offline when not in use? Yes |
| 08:00.39 | greyson | karsten: I mostly use qmail for the speed on my slow little suns. |
| 08:00.47 | karsten | greyson: What happens if you receive mail to a valid domain but an invalid user? |
| 08:01.15 | empty | karsten, yes that single factor being "good" |
| 08:01.18 | greyson | i don't think I know offhand. |
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| 08:01.38 | Azar | ouch I cannot stop netstat -ln --tcp |
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| 08:01.50 | Azar | :) help? |
| 08:01.56 | bucky | ctl-x |
| 08:02.05 | bucky | ctl-c |
| 08:02.06 | Punkcut | ethics > so i have hdf which is where linux is installed - i have /boot / /home /swap on there plus a nice 100mb FAT32 partition - I need to mount the Fat32 partition and then dd out a bootfile that I can take from the FAt32 partition and place in my C:\boot.ini so I can use the windows bootloader, which im doing for multiple reasons |
| 08:02.08 | empty | greyson, qmail queues it, qmail-local can't deliver, qmail-remote spits another message out as a bounce |
| 08:02.13 | Azar | it does not work, bucky |
| 08:02.16 | doug_ | empty: and this problem has had advisories circulated containing both how to fix this hole as well as how it could be exploited? |
| 08:02.17 | bucky | ctl-c |
| 08:02.19 | Azar | oh c |
| 08:02.20 | Azar | o |
| 08:02.23 | Azar | thanks :) |
| 08:02.43 | karsten | empty: No. The point is that if you choose to optimze for one feature, you tend to deoptimize for others. |
| 08:02.48 | Azar | so now I know the command but I do not know what it does |
| 08:02.59 | empty | doug_, it's a window into your box, an advisory is silly- I don't think there are advisories on webmin being open to the net because it is common sense |
| 08:03.18 | karsten | empty: qmail offers a highly secure MTA. Given that that was its design objective, it succeeds well. And given the primary competition at the time (Sendmail), it was a good proof-of-concept. |
| 08:03.22 | Azar | ..oh find listening TCP ports (numeric) |
| 08:03.23 | empty | karsten, qmail is secure, reliable, fast, and modular. Thats more than one feature |
| 08:03.31 | karsten | empty: There are several nonoptimal features of qmail. |
| 08:03.41 | empty | karsten, name one |
| 08:03.47 | greyson | empty: In my case it needs to be async anyway, unfortunately -- most of my hosting is to other email addresses, or to a separate machine internally... so in that case, it would have to have two SMTP connections open at the time of delivery for every email -- which is not optimal. |
| 08:04.01 | Punkcut | ethics > you get that? |
| 08:04.08 | karsten | empty: ...mainly being that if you plan to deviate from djb's design goals, you've got patch-hell to deal with, and if you want to do delivery-time processing, you've got serious issues. |
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| 08:04.39 | doug_ | apparently not to my old isp that hosts several thousand sites... they got phpmyadmin right up front to hop onto with easy clicks by means of cPanel |
| 08:04.49 | empty | greyson, bouncing a forwarded message is not the issue, it's bouncing a million for a million addresses that have no local user or forward |
| 08:05.08 | empty | karsten, magic-smtpd on the frontend covers both of those nicely |
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| 08:05.33 | karsten | empty: I believe I recommend that.... |
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| 08:06.02 | empty | karsten, I am not saying stock qmail is wonderful- its not. But qmails benefits vastly outweigh its downsides |
| 08:06.13 | karsten | empty: ...and indeed my LART does: Qmail admins please fix your systems against misdirected email notifications. You might want to look at magic-smtpd: (url) |
| 08:06.21 | greyson | empty: I think I see the point; because it doesn't check for affirmative local deliverability before closing the incoming connection, it ends up trying to bounce messages to possibly forged domains. |
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| 08:06.34 | karsten | empty: I find that with exim / postfix, I've got added benefits with fewer costs. |
| 08:06.43 | empty | greyson, precisely- it doesn't look because it can't look |
| 08:07.21 | bucky | doug_, the phpmyadmin deb comes with an htaccess file and a dependancy is php4-cgi... also it runs on apache 1.3 |
| 08:07.28 | karsten | empty: Anywho, why I wrote a script: Total: 414 reports in 217m 27s. 31.51 seconds per report. |
| 08:07.40 | karsten | empty: ...far more efficient than doing 'em manually. |
| 08:07.50 | nvz | if you hook up just the yellow and black (outer two lines) on a phone will you still get a dialtone? |
| 08:07.55 | empty | karsten, well, I'm happy for you. I dislike postfix and haven't mucked much with exim |
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| 08:08.20 | greyson | So, karsten, you disagree with the usage of qmail because if someone sends 1,000 messages to noone@foosoft.us with a From: of karsten@yourdomain.com suddenly I'm spamming you with 1,000 bounce messages for transactions that never invoved you. |
| 08:08.20 | karsten | empty: I mostly use exim, now on 3.x, trying to decide between postfix and exim4 for the next move. |
| 08:08.23 | Azar | bucky I am reading about chroot on info coreutils chroot, and I cannot figure out in which instance chroot is needed, what does it do? |
| 08:08.24 | nvz | nm its obvoius my phone wont |
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| 08:08.36 | empty | karsten, agreed, aain I only raised hackles because I thought you were putting it in .forward (or .qmail :P) |
| 08:08.38 | karsten | empty: What's not to like about postfix? |
| 08:08.43 | nvz | looks like I am doing this the hard way :P |
| 08:08.46 | ethics | punkcut: yeah that should be doable if the drives picked up...even if its only a creen display...ie boot.ini isnt complex |
| 08:08.47 | karsten | greyson: Yes. |
| 08:09.08 | karsten | greyson: ...rather, I will call you on spamming if you've configured your qmail install to do that. |
| 08:09.09 | doug_ | empty: now that i got all that stuff apt-installed, what do you suggest i do next to get this thing humming? no man page for mysql-server |
| 08:09.25 | Punkcut | ethics > well the problem is I cant even get fdisk to pick up the hard drive thats being used for linux... it doesnt make any sense |
| 08:09.48 | greyson | karsten: Is there a way to resolve the problem without pulling qmail off my fronting machine? I use it for security and SMTP scrubbing, primarily. |
| 08:09.58 | empty | karsten, poor fit for my environment |
| 08:09.59 | ethics | punkcut: that extra card for ide...any idea on it's chipset? it may just need a manual probing |
| 08:10.28 | karsten | greyson: magic-smtp, as empty suggested, or backside filtering. |
| 08:10.29 | empty | doug_, man mysqld but it should already be running, just set a root password and edit /etc/my.cnf to your liking |
| 08:10.44 | karsten | greyson: It makes no sense to send a nondelivery notification to spoofed spam or viral mail, so don't. |
| 08:10.51 | empty | greyson, you will love magic-smtpd |
| 08:10.57 | karsten | greyson: Not sure how magic-smtpd does its stuff. |
| 08:11.12 | Punkcut | ethics > no idea man, I know it successfully picks up hdf in the partition utility and I've successfully installed debain 2.6 |
| 08:11.14 | karsten | greyson: http://www.linuxmagic.com/opensource/magicmail/magic-smtpd/ |
| 08:11.33 | empty | karsten, greyson , you define a "chack valid user" program which can be any widget that returns user validity |
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| 08:11.54 | ethics | punkcut dont suppose lspci -v works in netinst? |
| 08:11.59 | doug_ | setting that pw i can find directions for in the man page or go straight to the conf file |
| 08:12.13 | doug_ | (addressing empty) |
| 08:12.15 | empty | Punkcut, linux dislikes having / (or /boot if you have one) in an extended partition |
| 08:12.16 | Punkcut | ethics > no such luck... already tried |
| 08:12.31 | greyson | karsten: Got it. Thank you for your patience in explaining all this to me... mail-anything was mostly a mystery to me until just last year... |
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| 08:12.41 | Punkcut | empty > yah I know but debian is the first distro Ive had any problems at all dual booting |
| 08:12.52 | empty | mysql_secure_installation doug_ |
| 08:12.52 | ethics | have you by chance tried a boot floppy?..if the drive with boot.ini on is fat it may just see it hehe |
| 08:13.00 | karsten | empty: I don't care how you determine a valid user. I *do* require that if you accept a message for delivery, subsequently discover you can't deliver it, and then bother innocent third parties about it, you're spamming. |
| 08:13.08 | Punkcut | empty > normally just using the NTDLR to boot GRUB works flawlessly |
| 08:13.10 | ethics | Punkcut, dos boot disk see the drive by chance? |
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| 08:13.21 | karsten | s/require/define/ |
| 08:13.29 | Punkcut | ethics > ... i dont have a floppy drive ... |
| 08:13.32 | empty | karsten, I was simply saying how magic-smtp does it |
| 08:13.37 | karsten | empty: ...so either make a dispositive assessment at SMTP time, or don't bother me about it. |
| 08:13.40 | karsten | empty: Ah. |
| 08:13.44 | ethics | Punkcut: hehe me either just hoped hehe |
| 08:13.47 | empty | greyson, you are familiar with lifewithqmail? |
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| 08:14.06 | greyson | empty: yes |
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| 08:14.24 | ethics | Punkcut, you can boot linux from the system atm? ie why are we using bootdisks etc? |
| 08:14.29 | empty | Punkcut, well I would not know, I avoid it on principle anymore, but it's been years since I tried |
| 08:15.36 | ethics | i dualbooted with xp for about 2 hours then just blew away the drive.after i moved it to vmware |
| 08:15.37 | Punkcut | ethics > no i cant thats the problem, I just need to get debian to boot. its installed correctly, i just cant boot it because I cannot install GRUB into the MBR and I cant seem to manually boot it |
| 08:16.00 | Punkcut | ethics > i need to manually boot it so that I can make a boot file to place in the C:\ drive in windows |
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| 08:17.00 | ethics | Punkcut: you can do it the other way with grub chaining onto xp booter |
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| 08:17.17 | ethics | Punkcut, is the drive you installed debian onto see by fdisk atm? |
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| 08:18.06 | ethics | Punkcut, or can we just switch the drives around master slave wise etc? |
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| 08:18.54 | Punkcut | ethics > yes I know, but unfortunately Windows doesnt take kindly to intruders on its booting process, and I dont have the patience for a windows install. No, my drives are not picked up by fdisk, any of them, of course i could be reading this devfs completely wrong - Changes the drives around may work. It just seems like overkill and unneccessary |
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| 08:20.36 | ethics | Punkcut, yeah i hear ya...the grub method works well with 2k/xp now but it should work this way....perhaps your best to ask someone about how to mount via devfs...i havent really used it much its sorta replaced by udev i think |
| 08:21.04 | ethics | Punkcut, without lspci and lsmod i dont know how to debug it 8(...mine just work |
| 08:21.10 | nvz | damn its 4:20 I think I will sponsor myself a break from what I was doing |
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| 08:21.44 | Punkcut | nvz > good idea, its only 1:20 by me, but i might as well get a head start on it |
| 08:22.05 | Guf | 10:23 here =) |
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| 08:24.16 | nvz | Punkcut: yeah I already fucked up what I was making anyhow.. so its not going to set me back. I cut both the black and yellow wires, and I was suppose to leave one set |
| 08:25.32 | Punkcut | nvz > ... well i cant boot my comp |
| 08:26.05 | Punkcut | nvz > heres to the morning |
| 08:26.43 | nvz | yep. I would say cheers, but its more like choaks.. |
| 08:26.57 | Punkcut | i use jasmine green tea and a lot of ice cubes |
| 08:27.03 | Punkcut | nvz > very soothing |
| 08:27.11 | nvz | I need some electrical tape or something |
| 08:27.14 | Punkcut | lol |
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| 08:27.26 | nvz | now that I fucked this thing up |
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| 08:27.36 | empty | nvz, pass that shit |
| 08:28.05 | Punkcut | ah this is how troubleshooting should be done |
| 08:28.13 | Punkcut | alright im gonna get crackin at this |
| 08:28.24 | nvz | I am trying to use a cable I removed from the security system that was already ran down here, to extend both phone lines down here. I am trying to rewire a little plug in phone splitter so that I can have a jack for each line |
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| 08:30.19 | empty | yeah this is going to end in tears I think- whenever a box fails fsck so badly it has to nuke the journal I'm in trouble |
| 08:30.36 | Punkcut | Ghost in the Shell: SAD == mandatory half hour break |
| 08:30.38 | greyson | ouch |
| 08:30.56 | greyson | SAD? |
| 08:31.05 | greyson | Punkcut: You mean SAC? |
| 08:31.12 | Punkcut | greyson > typo |
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| 08:31.20 | dondelelcaro | which episode? |
| 08:31.28 | empty | just queued that in netflix today |
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| 08:31.44 | poncha|work | hi |
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| 08:32.02 | empty | god I am scared to reboot this thing now, I am dding my poor mangled FS to the spare drive in it |
| 08:32.23 | Punkcut | I havent seen it, but theres a few holes in my episode list. it opens with the tachimotos singing to mr. bato . I think its the one where they find out the tachimotos are having emotional issues and going nuts |
| 08:32.29 | nvz | damn I am an idiot :P this was way easlier that it looked.. would have been nice to realize it before I cut the wires |
| 08:32.42 | dondelelcaro | hrm... |
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| 08:32.57 | empty | nvz, try yankng, a lot of cablers coil a few feet in the wall |
| 08:33.05 | empty | nvz, yanking GENTLY |
| 08:33.18 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I don't have that collection here currently |
| 08:33.22 | empty | nvz, pretend you are a freshman in high school in other words O_o |
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| 08:34.15 | greyson | Ugh -- there's got to be a faster way to purge all these packages... |
| 08:34.32 | dondelelcaro | greyson: which packages are you trying to purge? |
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| 08:35.39 | greyson | dondelelcaro: I got a whole bunch of X-related stuff -- like all of gnome, gnucash -- all the development tools -- just about everything... |
| 08:35.53 | greyson | dondelelcaro: the machine is a headless server -- it needs none of these. |
| 08:36.08 | empty | greyson, maybe just purge x-window-system then reinstall wat you need? |
| 08:36.25 | greyson | yeah -- that's what it's turning out to be... |
| 08:36.55 | empty | man this dd is crawling... Not Better |
| 08:36.56 | dondelelcaro | greyson: or just purge xlibs |
| 08:37.26 | dondelelcaro | greyson: setting every single lib as automatically installed in aptitude will help you as well. |
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| 08:37.33 | doub | hi there |
| 08:37.37 | empty | Yes, I have to think I am fucked: bash: /sbin/reboot: Input/output error |
| 08:37.47 | dondelelcaro | hahaha |
| 08:37.58 | Punkcut | ok so if i just wanted to fdisk hdf, how would i find it in devFS |
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| 08:38.06 | dondelelcaro | empty: yeah, mount everything ro, and try fscking |
| 08:38.13 | greyson | dondelelcaro: Yeah... I just noticed that... thank you for the confirm, though. |
| 08:38.47 | dondelelcaro | greyson: cool |
| 08:38.49 | empty | dondelelcaro, that's how this started LOL |
| 08:38.50 | Azar | good day honorables, and thanks for the help :) |
| 08:38.54 | doub | Punkcut: just follow the devfs sheme, /dev/ide3/host.... |
| 08:38.57 | empty | Azar, have fun |
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| 08:39.37 | Punkcut | doub so whats disc and part* and tar* and lun* |
| 08:39.39 | doub | Punkcut: you'll find the full name in dmesg |
| 08:39.47 | empty | dondelelcaro, I am extra fucked since tab expansion seems to give me the fsck for minix, carmfs, and nfs, and that's all |
| 08:39.50 | greyson | empty: I think I might have hit a wrong button at some point somewhere during some part of the partly aborted upgrade to sarge -- this machine has been running me around for the last three days. |
| 08:40.28 | empty | greyson, Oh crap, did you hit "y" on the "Convert to wife" button? |
| 08:40.31 | doub | Punkcut: it's some scsi-ish naming for ide drives |
| 08:40.44 | greyson | empty: 'fraid so. |
| 08:41.02 | empty | greyson, may be time to fdisk then :P |
| 08:41.04 | doub | Punkcut: ide<n> is the ide controller number, in order of driver loading |
| 08:41.10 | greyson | empty: Thankfully, I've got the other machine called 'bowling buddy' who helped me out. |
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| 08:41.23 | doub | Punkcut: disc is the whole disk (hdf), part<n> is each partition |
| 08:41.23 | empty | greyson, good to have a backup |
| 08:41.50 | empty | greyson, just don't mount that machine, and especially don't let wife mount it |
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| 08:41.57 | dondelelcaro | empty: no ext2? |
| 08:42.11 | Punkcut | doub > so whats lun and target? |
| 08:42.16 | lomik | hello!!!!!!! |
| 08:42.16 | greyson | *graoning to himself* and what would i ever need gstreamer for on a 33MHz machine... |
| 08:42.24 | empty | dondelelcaro, I don't even think there is ext2 on the drive *anywhere* at this point |
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| 08:42.37 | dondelelcaro | empty: what type of filesystem is this? |
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| 08:42.49 | doub | Punkcut: i don't know the full meaning of that one, look in the kernel docs for devfs, i guess it's explained somewhere |
| 08:42.56 | empty | dondelelcaro, well it was ext3 until fsck ate my journal |
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| 08:43.08 | empty | ls and cat are not even working |
| 08:43.12 | dondelelcaro | wee. |
| 08:43.16 | empty | nor find |
| 08:43.23 | lomik | ËÁË ÚÁÐÕÓÔÉÔØ É ÎÁÓÔÒÏÉÔØ ÄÅÍÏÎ lisa |
| 08:43.23 | dondelelcaro | empty: yeah, your best bet is to get the static fsck. |
| 08:43.24 | iulik | hi |
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| 08:43.36 | empty | well looks like tomorrow is a fun day for me at the colo |
| 08:43.37 | iulik | how can i install kubuntu from ubuntu |
| 08:43.38 | iulik | ? |
| 08:43.44 | empty | thank god it was just my personal box |
| 08:43.48 | dondelelcaro | empty: e2fsck-static; and see if you can rebuild it doing that. |
| 08:43.51 | dondelelcaro | iulik: #kubuntu |
| 08:43.56 | empty | iulik, this ain't #ubuntu |
| 08:43.57 | iulik | 10x |
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| 08:44.53 | iulik | hi, sorry for disturbing you |
| 08:44.58 | iulik | what distro are you using? |
| 08:45.06 | dondelelcaro | iulik: this is #debian. We're using Debian. |
| 08:45.09 | tralala | fedora core 10 |
| 08:45.12 | doub | what? no ubuntu war? everyone's depressed today? ;) |
| 08:45.34 | iulik | tralala, you using fedora 10 ? |
| 08:45.36 | empty | dondelelcaro, i'm dding the mangled remains to a seperate drive |
| 08:45.38 | iulik | hha |
| 08:45.44 | dondelelcaro | empty: sounds good |
| 08:45.51 | empty | dondelelcaro, ironically one I ecommed because it was buggy |
| 08:45.53 | dondelelcaro | empty: good luck with that |
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| 08:46.20 | empty | dondelelcaro, thanks, my wife is going to shit though- bye bye gallery I suspect |
| 08:46.25 | dv_ | hi |
| 08:46.28 | doub | iulik: you're lucky you just avoided being disassembled piece by piece |
| 08:46.43 | dv_ | i have a question |
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| 08:46.47 | empty | !based on debian |
| 08:46.48 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 08:46.55 | empty | doub happy? |
| 08:46.57 | tralala | !tell dv_ -about ask |
| 08:47.17 | doub | empty: just disapointed. #debian is not what it used to be ;) |
| 08:47.22 | dv_ | in gedit,mozilla firefox, qt stuff etc. I can use all ttf fonts rendered nicely with antialiasing and so on |
| 08:47.32 | dv_ | BUT the ttf fonts do NOT show up in xfontsel |
| 08:47.33 | empty | yeah it has tamed a lot in the last 12 hours :P |
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| 08:47.45 | dondelelcaro | dv_: yes, because xfontsel is wierd. |
| 08:47.49 | dv_ | and, stuff like the artwiz fonts does not show up in gedit/firefox/qt etc. |
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| 08:48.21 | tralala | dv_: see if xlsfonts will help you |
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| 08:48.51 | cahoot | dv_: didn't disable bitmapped fonts? |
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| 08:49.01 | dv_ | well, xlsfonts does not list the ttf fonts |
| 08:49.05 | dv_ | cahoot, where? |
| 08:49.30 | cahoot | dv_: in dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig (IIRC) |
| 08:49.55 | jm_ | funny, someone had the same problem with artwiz fonts yesterday |
| 08:50.04 | tralala | dv_: afaik xlsfonts lists everything available |
| 08:50.25 | dv_ | ah.... dpkg-reconfigure is not present :) |
| 08:50.47 | petemc | dv_: you sure you're using debian? |
| 08:50.51 | dv_ | tralala, may be because freetype2 recognizes ttf fonts but _not_ the X bitmap fonts and vice-versa |
| 08:50.53 | dv_ | yes |
| 08:51.00 | dv_ | i have dpkg-deb dpkg-query dpkg-split |
| 08:51.08 | gAri- | hi people |
| 08:51.14 | gAri- | I have a pppoe problem |
| 08:51.22 | gAri- | I configure the system, everything runs smooth |
| 08:51.26 | tralala | dv_: install debconf |
| 08:51.29 | gAri- | I leave the system and I go home |
| 08:51.40 | gAri- | and then after a while it stops |
| 08:51.45 | doub | !tell gAri- about enter |
| 08:52.00 | gAri- | okay :) |
| 08:52.01 | cahoot | dv_: look in /etc/fonts/conf.d |
| 08:52.11 | greyson | I've always been curious... |
| 08:52.14 | gAri- | so, actually is this a known problem that pppoe connections like to hang? |
| 08:52.16 | greyson | !tell greyson about enter |
| 08:52.28 | greyson | :-( |
| 08:52.39 | doub | gAri-: your modem might be faulty, mine usually does that when the wind changes direction |
| 08:52.42 | tralala | greyson: /msg dpkg enter |
| 08:53.03 | gAri- | doub: hmm, how can I be sure of that? what to say to the ISP? |
| 08:53.04 | dv_ | hmm. never knew about fonts/conf.d |
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| 08:53.26 | greyson | tralala: Ah.. I forgot about my new client irssi (used to BitchX, but trying this for now) |
| 08:53.50 | Skywind | Did someone know which pkg generate "/root/.bashrc" ? I think it's not a clone of /etc/skel/.bashrc (normal users use this). |
| 08:53.57 | gAri- | actually once I went to look whats up the box was up but without internet connection |
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| 08:54.02 | dv_ | hmm. there are several .confs. which one is the active one? 30-debconf-no-bitmaps.conf? |
| 08:54.16 | cahoot | dv_: that's my understanding |
| 08:54.42 | doub | gAri-: is there some logical reason for it? does it crash after the same amount of time, or after some kind of operation? |
| 08:54.44 | empty | LMAO |
| 08:54.51 | dv_ | ok, <patelt name="scalable"><bool>false</bool></patelt> simply set this to "true"? |
| 08:54.53 | doub | gAri-: you can enable debugging to see what happens |
| 08:54.57 | empty | tab expansion on / is just .lost+found/ |
| 08:55.09 | doub | gAri-: for example 'pppd call <provider name> debug nodetach' |
| 08:55.14 | cahoot | dv_: better use dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 08:55.26 | dv_ | but i don't have a dpkg-reconfigure! |
| 08:55.33 | dv_ | and yes, i installed debconf |
| 08:55.36 | empty | i have no idea how this ssh session is still alive but I do have SOME binaries |
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| 08:55.43 | dv_ | oh, wait |
| 08:55.45 | tralala | dv_: are you root? |
| 08:55.52 | dv_ | yes, but the PATH is screwed up |
| 08:55.52 | doub | gAri-: where provider name is the name of your provider config file, as in /etc/ppp/peers/ |
| 08:55.57 | dv_ | just a minute |
| 08:57.37 | dv_ | ah, works now |
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| 08:57.54 | dv_ | it seems that a crash earlier this morning destroyed the PATH setting |
| 08:57.58 | dv_ | works now. |
| 08:58.12 | dv_ | reboot |
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| 09:00.52 | jimi | has anyone had much luck getting acpi to work with the latest kernel (without recompiling)? |
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| 09:01.35 | empty | jimi acpi is tricky |
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| 09:01.43 | trogger | I'm trying to tell dpkg to not try to overwrite a file with the syntax `dpkg --no-force-conflicts -i pkgpath.deb' but the no-force-conflicts makes no difference. what is the correct syntax? |
| 09:01.45 | empty | jimi, what kind of laptop? |
| 09:01.55 | jimi | empty: its a toshiba m30 centrino |
| 09:02.03 | empty | trogger, man dpkg-divert |
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| 09:02.10 | jimi | empty: fairly new so maybe apm? |
| 09:02.25 | exparrot | hello everyone.... someone able to help me with a (probably) simpler installer problem? |
| 09:02.52 | exparrot | simple, that is |
| 09:02.54 | empty | jimi, google around for it, acpi(I think what you want) is black mojo frequently requiring a new kernel module |
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| 09:03.13 | empty | exparrot, just ask |
| 09:03.19 | exparrot | I'm trying to setup a small home server which hasn't got a CD-ROM drive |
| 09:03.26 | empty | exparrot, and tell john Cleese I said hi |
| 09:03.27 | jetx | it usually doesn't overwrite any of your customizations, it's the overwriting you have to force |
| 09:03.28 | exparrot | the installer gets as far as loading the cdrom kernel module |
| 09:03.35 | exparrot | then explodes, vomiting all over me |
| 09:03.41 | jimi | haha |
| 09:03.45 | exparrot | presumably because I have no CD-ROM drive :P |
| 09:03.49 | gAri- | doub: thx I will try that |
| 09:03.49 | exparrot | how can I tell it to not load that module? |
| 09:03.57 | trogger | jetx: I don't want it to overwrite - it stops rather than continuing and ignoring. |
| 09:03.58 | doub | gAri-: np |
| 09:04.05 | empty | jetx, configs no but binaries and symlinks it will gleefully steamroll |
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| 09:04.36 | empty | exparrot, you booting standard kernel or 26? |
| 09:04.38 | jetx | never saw a --no-force, no idea |
| 09:04.39 | exparrot | uhhhm |
| 09:04.40 | gAri- | <x~doub> gAri-: is there some logical reason for it? does it crash after the same amount of time, or after some kind of operation? -> I dont know if it crashes or what it does. I dont think if its the same amount of time. |
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| 09:04.54 | jimi | empty: i got acpi working with a preconpiled acpi kernel in slackware, is there a similar thing for debian? |
| 09:04.56 | exparrot | I am using the "stable" release empty, and the automatic installer, that's all I know :P |
| 09:05.14 | empty | jimi, probably |
| 09:05.47 | empty | exparrot, try using a 2.6 kernel when you boot the CD (it's a boot time option) |
| 09:05.52 | jimi | empty: it would have to be some kind of non-official repository right? |
| 09:05.52 | doub | gAri-: you can also try to see what the syslog says, like in 'grep pppd /var/log/syslog' |
| 09:05.53 | exparrot | I'm not booting a CD |
| 09:05.55 | empty | exparrot, no promises but it might help |
| 09:06.05 | empty | when you boot the whateer then |
| 09:06.06 | exparrot | I'm trying to do a net install straight off the Debian website empty |
| 09:06.06 | doub | gAri-: but it might get tricky if debug is not enabled |
| 09:06.12 | exparrot | ah.... |
| 09:06.22 | empty | exparrot, umm, but what are you booting from? |
| 09:06.27 | exparrot | floppies |
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| 09:06.32 | jetx | ah |
| 09:06.33 | exparrot | great eh? |
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| 09:06.46 | empty | exparrot, ... |
| 09:06.57 | jimi | my god australian tv is sub-par |
| 09:07.04 | exparrot | it's only 3 floppies, empty :) |
| 09:07.16 | empty | exparrot, try to find woody (oldstable) floppies perhaps then upgrade with apt? ugly but it might work |
| 09:07.26 | exparrot | empty, are you sending me private messages or something? sorry, not too good with IRC |
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| 09:07.44 | jetx | it might be dpkg --no-force overwrite |
| 09:07.47 | empty | well my DD has finished so I think I am going to bed all |
| 09:08.01 | exparrot | alright, thanks for the suggestions empty |
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| 09:08.04 | empty | exparrot, nope your client probably highlights anything with your name in the line |
| 09:08.13 | exparrot | ahh... okay then |
| 09:08.21 | jimi | mmmm bitchx-alishious |
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| 09:08.49 | jetx | s/overwrite/conflicts/ |
| 09:08.57 | jetx | no - |
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| 09:09.11 | exparrot | can't I just tell the installer not to try and load isofs.o, anyone? |
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| 09:10.00 | bisquit | I finally figured out how to stop my line from dropping... (actually, how to stop all those "eth0: Transmit error, Tx status 90" errors...) - by adjusting txqueuelen. |
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| 09:10.12 | bisquit | So my question is - how to make that stay the way it is over boot? |
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| 09:10.33 | doub | bisquit: sysctl might be of some help |
| 09:10.34 | jetx | exparrot: you should be able to tell it to not load the cd module, but: why don't you try a boot floppy? |
| 09:10.34 | qubit | what's the best linux-friendly alternative to AirTunes? |
| 09:10.44 | exparrot | jetx, I'm using a boot floppy :P |
| 09:10.46 | tarzeau | qubit: what's AirTunes ? |
| 09:10.49 | bisquit | doub, thanks - will look into it :) |
| 09:10.52 | exparrot | qubit: eSound ? |
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| 09:11.15 | jetx | exparrot: by boot floppy i mean netinst boot floppy |
| 09:11.15 | qubit | tarzeau: airtunes -- Apple's hardwarewidget for streaming audio to speakers. |
| 09:11.20 | yowe | i hate debian but i think it's the only one that allows net install from floppy, no ? |
| 09:11.22 | jetx | but that will give you 2.4 only |
| 09:11.28 | exparrot | jetx, I see.... |
| 09:11.28 | qubit | esound... hmm |
| 09:11.34 | jetx | then you upgrade if you want |
| 09:11.39 | tarzeau | yowe: probably the easiest one, yeah |
| 09:11.39 | exparrot | jetx, sounds messy |
| 09:11.43 | jetx | nah |
| 09:12.12 | jetx | you download the floppies, point em at your cd on your server or whatever |
| 09:12.22 | exparrot | jetx: I see.... |
| 09:12.28 | exparrot | the installer works mostly fine as it is |
| 09:12.31 | exparrot | it downloads the base packages |
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| 09:12.33 | exparrot | and installs most of them |
| 09:12.39 | exparrot | before dying at isofs |
| 09:12.47 | qubit | tarzeau: ..with airport express |
| 09:13.03 | jetx | exparrot: are you using the expert directive at boot: prompt? |
| 09:13.10 | exparrot | ahh... no jetx |
| 09:13.11 | yowe | it hurts me to install debian, because it's so difficult to configure |
| 09:13.16 | exparrot | I couldn't find the syntax on how to make it work |
| 09:13.22 | jetx | you can unload the cd module i believe |
| 09:13.38 | jetx | expert26 is one |
| 09:13.42 | exparrot | yes, do you know the syntax offhand? |
| 09:13.46 | qubit | exparrot: any experience with embedded linux? |
| 09:13.46 | jetx | i forget the 2.4 version |
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| 09:13.56 | jetx | hit F2 |
| 09:14.07 | exparrot | qubit, nothing beyond "embedded" as old 486s running stripped distros |
| 09:14.09 | tarzeau | qubit: yeah i got it. but i don't know |
| 09:14.09 | exparrot | thanks jetx! |
| 09:14.40 | exparrot | I'll give it a go jetx |
| 09:14.41 | jetx | at the boot: prompt when the cd first boots |
| 09:14.48 | jetx | splash screen whatever |
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| 09:14.57 | jetx | F2 |
| 09:15.12 | exparrot | got you, jetx :) |
| 09:15.22 | qubit | Hm... I'm thinking that if I can run a streaming server, then I could just put little (i.e. no fans, and not bigger than say a DVD player) linux boxes that have ethernet in and audio out next to a receiver whever I want the audio. |
| 09:15.37 | exparrot | qubit, I had pretty bad lag problems |
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| 09:15.51 | directhex | yowe, because it doesn't have a friendly QT-based user interface, possibly with a bouncing paperclip saying "it looks like you're trying to administer a UNIX workstation"? |
| 09:15.59 | exparrot | so it's not good for video, but it's alright for music etc |
| 09:16.06 | qubit | exparrot: lag problems? |
| 09:16.07 | directhex | qubit, via epia? |
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| 09:16.21 | exparrot | qubit, several seconds of lag between hitting "play" and getting audio, for example |
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| 09:16.34 | qubit | exparrot: ah... gotcha |
| 09:16.37 | exparrot | I was streaming to a windows box running cygwin though, so the "real thing" might work better |
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| 09:17.08 | yowe | directhex, it's just that it's way too difficult for me, it's not as simple as slackware for instance |
| 09:17.32 | directhex | yowe, that could be considered trolling by most people, considering slackware is about as usable now as it was in 1993 |
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| 09:17.57 | qubit | directhex: hmmm... interesting. but a system built around one of those boards would run about how much? |
| 09:18.12 | qubit | (it needs almost no processing power..) |
| 09:18.40 | jetx | directhex: you know of a way to recover data that was overwritten, on a floppy? |
| 09:18.44 | directhex | qubit, well, a passive epia board (600mhz c3) is about £70, plus RAM and a disk. |
| 09:18.53 | directhex | jetx, not that i know of. |
| 09:19.19 | jetx | ah well, not my problem at least |
| 09:19.24 | yowe | directhex, sorry, i don't get it |
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| 09:20.07 | directhex | qubit, http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=2 |
| 09:20.17 | qubit | directhex: let's see.. I can get small disks for free, and RAM for cheap. |
| 09:20.17 | directhex | off to work now. |
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| 09:21.52 | kaushik | hi.. where can i get a driver for sony digi cam.. (DSC P100), to transfer stuff to my debian pc |
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| 09:22.23 | exparrot | kaushik: is that a USB interface camera? |
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| 09:22.43 | ciba | f4f4f |
| 09:22.49 | ciba | hi |
| 09:22.56 | kaushik | YEH.. the manual says USB 2.0 |
| 09:23.14 | ciba | what? |
| 09:23.16 | spdf | kaushik, you're just trying to pull the images off? |
| 09:23.22 | exparrot | it may "just work" ? A lot of USB cameras appear as standard mass storage devices |
| 09:23.31 | kaushik | i saw in the net somwhere that we need to tweak the kernel a bit.. and load hte module |
| 09:23.41 | spdf | kaushik, Do you have hotplug installed? |
| 09:23.41 | exparrot | http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=3079 kaushik |
| 09:23.43 | kaushik | spdf: yup |
| 09:23.51 | ciba | no |
| 09:24.19 | ciba | can you explain where am i |
| 09:24.21 | jetx | well ehci is usb2.0, and you would need usbfs at least |
| 09:24.36 | kaushik | spdf: yes.. |
| 09:24.47 | ciba | how i can get it |
| 09:24.50 | jetx | there are some modules for some cameras i think, also, but never used any of those |
| 09:24.58 | jetx | modconf |
| 09:25.07 | hiaslboy2 | kaushik: have you plugged the camera in to see what you get? |
| 09:25.13 | spdf | ciba, Huh? |
| 09:25.28 | ciba | no |
| 09:25.32 | kaushik | hiaslboy2: yes.. nothin happens.. |
| 09:25.34 | petemc | kaushik: gphoto2 is very good |
| 09:25.56 | kaushik | petemc: wot is it? |
| 09:26.05 | ciba | where i can see fpotos |
| 09:26.06 | petemc | kaushik: how hard would it be to find out |
| 09:26.35 | spdf | ciba, Start from the beginning.. |
| 09:27.05 | kaushik | petemc: well pretty simple if u had replied.. now slighlty tough! |
| 09:27.16 | spdf | kaushik, google ;) |
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| 09:27.34 | petemc | kaushik: apt-cache show gphoto2 , trying thinking for yourself |
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| 09:28.11 | jetx | ciba, what is your native language |
| 09:28.41 | ciba | georgian and your? |
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| 09:29.12 | jetx | english |
| 09:29.16 | kaushik | petemc: thanx neways.. will check out.. |
| 09:29.16 | ciba | do you know georgian language |
| 09:29.19 | jetx | no |
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| 09:29.34 | jetx | i was hoping there was a channel that spoke yours though |
| 09:29.48 | jetx | so what do you need help with |
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| 09:30.38 | jetx | there's a russian one i think, but i know nothing |
| 09:30.41 | jetx | !ru |
| 09:30.41 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 09:30.43 | cantona | what bluetooth program for debian? |
| 09:30.44 | ciba | i am first in this chat and why are so many people talks whith me |
| 09:30.48 | doub | exparrot: you need to cross foot fingers too, for it to work |
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| 09:31.06 | exparrot | doub: way ahead of you.... |
| 09:31.12 | jetx | ciba: because there's a lot of ppl here, and it's a help channel for debian linux |
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| 09:31.54 | ciba | who knows russian language |
| 09:32.22 | jetx | /join #debian-russian <--type that in your irc client ciba |
| 09:32.30 | jetx | !ru |
| 09:32.30 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 09:32.45 | jetx | Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian |
| 09:32.50 | zdom | wow |
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| 09:33.03 | ciba | ti ruski? |
| 09:33.08 | greyson | jetx: Also #debian-ru (just checked) but there's no one in there. |
| 09:33.23 | jetx | hopefully |
| 09:33.47 | greyson | zdom: ? |
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| 09:34.09 | zdom | i just wow for there is ru channel of debian :) |
| 09:34.33 | zdom | any chinese channel for debian btw? |
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| 09:34.46 | greyson | zdom: They thunk up everything *grin* -- I think it's horribly egotistical that we're not all in #debian-en though... |
| 09:34.56 | exparrot | alright... it seems to be installing in "expert" mode.... hopefully I answered all the questions properly :P |
| 09:35.25 | zdom | icic :P |
| 09:35.26 | Guerin | zdom: start one |
| 09:35.35 | ^Duffy^ | Ok, this is the deal. I have a VPS with one IP address, but I also have two more IP adresses pointing to my server from the router. How can I add these to my system? |
| 09:35.36 | mathieu_ | exparrot, what should we talk here then? esperanto? |
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| 09:35.54 | mathieu_ | erm |
| 09:35.54 | petemc | ^Duffy^: ip aliases |
| 09:35.57 | exparrot | mathieu_: I'd be quite comfortable with a series of muted squawks |
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| 09:36.10 | greyson | ^Duffy^: petemc beat me to it -- aliases. |
| 09:36.12 | mathieu_ | that should have been greyson, not exparrot. sorry exparrot :) |
| 09:36.31 | exparrot | mathieu_: fair enough |
| 09:36.35 | ^Duffy^ | greyson / petemc: You guys know of any tutorials etc? |
| 09:36.38 | afita | hello. does anyone know if lftp supports something like dry-run from rsync when mirroring? |
| 09:36.40 | zdom | i hope so :) |
| 09:36.47 | Guerin | !damn people who put warm beer at the front of the refrigerator |
| 09:37.10 | jm_ | afita: help mirror |
| 09:37.10 | zdom | Guerin lol |
| 09:37.13 | Guerin | afita: man lftp will know. |
| 09:37.13 | dondelelcaro | beer? in the refrigerator? |
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| 09:37.39 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: in the shop, yes. I keep this horrible stuff in the freezer. Doesn't last long enough to freeze. |
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| 09:38.05 | Gavrila | hi all, ho can I make procmail delete certain headers? |
| 09:38.40 | petemc | exim filter makes deleting headers very easy.. |
| 09:38.43 | dondelelcaro | Gavrila: using formail -I or similar |
| 09:39.02 | greyson | ^Duffy^: Not off the top of my head... check 'man ifconfig' -- do a '/' search for alias |
| 09:39.10 | Gavrila | dondelelcaro: I make the message pipe into formail form procmailrc? |
| 09:39.14 | petemc | ^Duffy^: man 5 interfaces |
| 09:39.32 | ^Duffy^ | thanks alot guys |
| 09:39.51 | petemc | ^Duffy^: you set an alias up the same way you would set up a normal interface, just call it eth0:1 eth0:2 etc |
| 09:39.55 | petemc | s/it/them/ |
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| 09:40.26 | zdom | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.34 | zdom | sorry |
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| 09:41.09 | nunokkkkkk | hi |
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| 09:41.48 | zdom | i just discover a very good program base on putty but better than putty! |
| 09:41.58 | SuperSox | zdom: what is? |
| 09:41.59 | greyson | zdom: ? |
| 09:42.03 | Guerin | zdom: omfg, windows softwareLOL |
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| 09:42.20 | greyson | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.31 | zdom | http://ntu.csie.org/~piaip/pietty/ |
| 09:42.36 | avu | greyson: Putty runs under linux as well as it does under windows |
| 09:42.39 | avu | erm |
| 09:42.48 | avu | guerin: Putty runs under linux as well as it does under windows |
| 09:42.51 | zdom | i have no choice, working place using windows |
| 09:42.54 | SuperSox | I use putty at work |
| 09:43.11 | Guerin | avu: what's the point? |
| 09:43.14 | greyson | I use Putty when I'm at client sites. |
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| 09:43.16 | zdom | it support no windows and shading and UTF-8 |
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| 09:43.37 | Guerin | zdom: me too. Though I just scrounged up a spare box and am installing 6 different OSen on it |
| 09:43.38 | zdom | I use it to manage all my debian box :) |
| 09:43.44 | avu | guerin: your saying he's talking about windows software. putty is no more windows software than firefox |
| 09:43.58 | Guerin | 20G hdd into 3 partitions goes nearly 7 ways - one per OS and one for /home |
| 09:44.08 | SuperSox | it's a Win32 PE executable... |
| 09:44.11 | zdom | Guerin wow |
| 09:44.13 | Guerin | avu: ok, ok. |
| 09:44.17 | Guerin | err |
| 09:44.22 | Guerin | 20G /3G partitions |
| 09:44.33 | Guerin | i guess I won't be installing SuSE on any of them... |
| 09:45.04 | zdom | it is ok even you guys don't know chinese, just turn it into english mode |
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| 09:46.26 | nvz | well it took me like 2 and a half hours, but I got two phones hooked up down here |
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| 09:47.15 | Guerin | i need to learn chinese |
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| 09:47.29 | Guerin | i'm going to Beijing in 32 days |
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| 09:47.43 | Thanatermesis | How to set ShadowFB ? I need a "mirror" of my FB for record video in X |
| 09:47.48 | Guerin | and all I know is Ni hao |
| 09:48.00 | E-bola | Is it me or have very few packages been updated since sarge went stable? |
| 09:48.02 | Thanatermesis | xD |
| 09:48.08 | petemc | E-bola: its not you |
| 09:48.19 | spdf | E-bola, Definitely all you. |
| 09:48.20 | exparrot | well, my machine here seems to be installing properly now... thanks folks... |
| 09:48.27 | Guerin | E-bola: not many have been updated, but about 800 have been added back in |
| 09:48.31 | E-bola | ok |
| 09:48.37 | zdom | Ni Hao! Guerin |
| 09:48.39 | doub | exparrot: that's because of the foot finger crossing, obviously |
| 09:48.41 | Guf | omgd.. from sunshine to rain in less in 20 minutes,,, damn hate north europe.... |
| 09:48.41 | E-bola | i was just wondering if my apt-get sources was working properly |
| 09:48.51 | exparrot | this linux stuff is taking up my precious beauty sleep, so I'm off |
| 09:48.53 | Guerin | zdom: um, ni hao, I guess. <bows> |
| 09:48.54 | exparrot | yes doub :) |
| 09:49.13 | Thanatermesis | any person know in ShadowFB ? |
| 09:49.17 | zdom | hoho, thx |
| 09:49.19 | Guerin | E-bola: are you running testing, or sarge. |
| 09:49.40 | zdom | There is a Debian User Group in HK, welcome to visit : www.debian.org.hk |
| 09:49.40 | Guerin | s/\./\?/ |
| 09:49.40 | E-bola | Guerin: u mean in my sources? |
| 09:49.45 | Guerin | E-bola: y |
| 09:49.49 | zdom | you can learn some chinese there, maybe :P |
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| 09:49.56 | ^Duffy^ | greyson / petemc: Any of you still here? |
| 09:50.06 | Guerin | zdom: you may have noticed that Beijing is nowhere near Hong Kong :) |
| 09:50.07 | E-bola | Guerin: well thats the problem |
| 09:50.12 | E-bola | i was running testing |
| 09:50.19 | E-bola | but now i updated my servers to use sarge instaid |
| 09:50.22 | zdom | Beijing to HK need 4 hours |
| 09:50.34 | Guerin | E-bola: and now they won't get updated much, because sarge is stable. |
| 09:50.42 | E-bola | Guerin: yep i know |
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| 09:50.46 | exparrot | well |
| 09:50.47 | exparrot | that didn't last long |
| 09:50.49 | concept10 | Anyone know the system-wide font folder? |
| 09:50.50 | exparrot | it wants me to pick a kernel |
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| 09:50.54 | E-bola | im just wodnering what are the consequences if i ran testing for some days after sarge went stable |
| 09:50.55 | Guerin | zdom: i fear the thought of having to buy air tickets in china.... korea is bad enough. |
| 09:50.59 | exparrot | do I want 686 or 386? |
| 09:51.00 | E-bola | can i simply change it to sarge from testing |
| 09:51.05 | E-bola | and everything will be ok? |
| 09:51.20 | zdom | yes, it is quite troublesome to a forigner |
| 09:51.21 | exparrot | and 2.4.x or 2.6.x ? |
| 09:51.22 | Guerin | E-bola: not much. If you switched to sarge within the first several days, you shouldn't have any hassles. |
| 09:51.51 | E-bola | Guerin: ok i dont tihnk i had any either, i just wish some apckages would get updated so i coudl see it works :) |
| 09:51.52 | exparrot | the installer automatically highlighted a 686 kernel |
| 09:51.57 | exparrot | does this mean it's what it autodetected? |
| 09:52.00 | Guerin | zdom: and expensive, too. Air China Incheon<->Beijing is US$600 |
| 09:52.15 | Guerin | it's a TWO HOUR flight, FTLOG |
| 09:52.29 | liable | ouch |
| 09:52.33 | Guerin | E-bola: yes. |
| 09:52.46 | ciba | how I can send them pictures |
| 09:52.59 | Guerin | E-bola: sarge only gets security updates. You won't see much. |
| 09:53.22 | Thanatermesis | any person know how to set a "mirror" of my FBdev in X ? |
| 09:53.25 | E-bola | Guerin: well mi should see a smuc as i did on woody right? |
| 09:53.32 | liable | ciba: wtf you on about? |
| 09:53.52 | ciba | thanks |
| 09:54.00 | Guerin | E-bola: yeah, I guess. |
| 09:54.11 | Guerin | ciba: you're welcome. |
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| 09:54.39 | exparrot | is a Pentium II a 386 or 686 kernel... anyone know? |
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| 09:55.15 | koollman | exparrot: pentium 2: 686 |
| 09:55.16 | nvz | exparrot: 686 |
| 09:55.25 | exparrot | awesome :P |
| 09:55.37 | exparrot | now... do I want a 2.8.6 kernel or a 2.4.something ? I'm guessing 2.8.x |
| 09:55.51 | nvz | there is no 2.8.6 |
| 09:55.55 | liable | dyslexia? |
| 09:55.59 | exparrot | okay |
| 09:55.59 | nvz | probably never will be |
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| 09:56.03 | exparrot | supposing I meant 2.6.8.... |
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| 09:56.22 | nvz | its up to you |
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| 09:56.30 | exparrot | surely newer is better? |
| 09:56.36 | nvz | haha |
| 09:56.41 | exparrot | hmm..... alright then. |
| 09:56.55 | exparrot | I'll go with 2.6.8 as I'm running it on my ubuntu box as well 8) |
| 09:56.56 | nvz | if you want alsa, its built in to 2.6 so its less work |
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| 09:57.52 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
| 09:58.24 | systray`sleep | Hello, its better running Debian under 32bit or 64bit? i uses AMD64 |
| 09:58.27 | nvz | I am cleaning all the old crap I got last night with armor all wipes :P |
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| 09:58.41 | exparrot | alright ladies.... time for some sleep |
| 09:58.46 | nvz | works good for shining up old electronics and making them look new |
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| 09:58.59 | hellz_hunter | hey how is it going? |
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| 10:00.03 | hellz_hunter | im trying to install debian net-install on a hp netserver ld pro, is a scsi based system, and i dont know what im doing :), first the netinstall doesnt want to go past the part where it wants to install the network driver, i tried the 3com 3c905tx and all it does when i select the driver is goes back to the network modules page with only <go back> button that i can click |
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| 10:00.40 | ciba | talk to me |
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| 10:00.48 | hellz_hunter | what r u wearing? |
| 10:00.51 | systray`sleep | Hello, its better running Debian under 32bit or 64bit? i uses AMD64 |
| 10:01.00 | hellz_hunter | systray`sleep, 64 i believe |
| 10:01.11 | systray`sleep | but its faster? |
| 10:01.19 | hellz_hunter | yea |
| 10:01.23 | systray`sleep | when i have 1.5 gb of ram |
| 10:01.28 | hellz_hunter | definitely |
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| 10:01.49 | systray`sleep | another people saying "i does not see the effect" |
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| 10:02.04 | liable | systray`sleep: try #debian-amd64 |
| 10:02.09 | systray`sleep | thx |
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| 10:02.45 | Gavrila | in your opinion, does spamassassin's sa-learn ignore spamassassin's headers when it does the bayesan training? |
| 10:03.14 | liable | hellz_hunter: is the card supported? |
| 10:03.18 | Guerin | Gavrila: there's no opinion about it... it does. |
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| 10:03.37 | Guerin | Gavrila: otherwise it'd be easy to poison a bayes archive by adding fake spamassassin headers |
| 10:03.40 | liable | hellz_hunter: you using 2.6 kernel option |
| 10:03.40 | nvz | Guerin: is it just me or does it feel like we are on AOL chat all of a sudden? |
| 10:03.44 | liable | ? |
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| 10:04.00 | Guerin | nvz: you weren't here about 8 hours ago... |
| 10:04.01 | Gavrila | Guerin: so it's useless to remove them to make the training better, right? |
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| 10:04.06 | Guerin | Gavrila: yes. |
| 10:04.26 | nvz | nope, I was across teh street at Caseys |
| 10:04.37 | Gavrila | Guerin: ok thank you |
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| 10:05.02 | Sipingal | join #gentoo |
| 10:05.16 | Guerin | Sipingal: go on, then. |
| 10:05.18 | nvz | actually about 8hours ago I was upstairs in the kitchen making mixed veggies, mashed potatos, steak and gravy |
| 10:05.27 | Guerin | nvz: riiiiibs |
| 10:05.30 | liable | haha, and /part debian :) |
| 10:05.31 | Guerin | nvz: i'm making ribs |
| 10:05.44 | cahoot | nvz: bothered by OT talk? |
| 10:05.44 | Guerin | nvz: and homemade barbecue sauce, with coca cola in it |
| 10:05.49 | hellz_hunter | liable, i used 'linux' 'linux26' 'expert26' and none will work |
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| 10:06.06 | nvz | hmm.. I think I might go make some eggs or something for breakfast soon |
| 10:06.06 | liable | hellz_hunter: is it supported? |
| 10:06.11 | hellz_hunter | liable, it should be? |
| 10:06.11 | systray` | can i install 64bit kernel and recompile all software with 64-bit but not running any software with 32 bit? but i have no TFTP Server in the Net, i can't install new |
| 10:06.23 | petemc | ^Duffy^: what do you mean it didnt survive a reboot? the changes you made to the interfaces file were gone? |
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| 10:06.27 | hellz_hunter | liable, i was about to put the 3com in this computer and run the installer on it and see if i can get past the network module part |
| 10:06.29 | liable | hellz_hunter: fucked if I know, its not my hardware. |
| 10:06.33 | hellz_hunter | hehe |
| 10:06.46 | hellz_hunter | liable, also when i was trying to partition my hard drives, it said it didnt see any of them |
| 10:06.50 | nse | hello everybody, some strange characters are appearing in some of my applications when I'm trying to read an idiom different from english, like portuguese or italian, how can i set it to understand other characters? |
| 10:06.58 | nvz | cahoot: who me? pfft. I am talking about the usage of AOL talk and the parading of idiocy I witnessed |
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| 10:07.00 | hellz_hunter | liable, i have five hard drives, and all are scsi |
| 10:07.03 | pro | hey guys, if i got a usb mouse, what is the device name for it? /dev/input/mice ? (for in my xf86cfg file ) |
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| 10:07.19 | hellz_hunter | pro, /dev/mouse ? |
| 10:07.34 | systray` | can i install 64bit kernel and recompile all software with 64-bit but not running any software with 32 bit? but i have no TFTP Server in the Net, i can't install new |
| 10:07.35 | systray` | :/ |
| 10:07.49 | liable | hellz_hunter: I would suggest googling your hardware, to see if its supported by 2.6.8 |
| 10:07.54 | pro | hellz_hunter i also thaught that, but when i ls /dev | grep m i dont see a mouse ? |
| 10:08.08 | nvz | so if this Adaptec PCI SCSI card doesnt have a bios chip on it, I have to boot from my onboard IDE right? |
| 10:08.43 | liable | !usb mouse |
| 10:08.44 | dpkg | somebody said usb mouse was "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
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| 10:09.02 | liable | !usbmouse |
| 10:09.03 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 10:09.05 | nvz | the ide drive in this HP was only 2.1gb or so, but it had an external 4.6gb SCSI I could swap with the IDE drive and make it internal |
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| 10:09.23 | nvz | I just dont think it will boot off it, because I dont see a bios on this thing |
| 10:10.00 | Guerin | that usbmouse factoid is so far out of date it's unfunny |
| 10:10.11 | liable | fix it then. |
| 10:10.12 | pro | liable i have /dev/input/* but i tried them all and none work, i keep getting cannot open device /dev/input/XXXX |
| 10:10.35 | liable | pro: I dont have/use one, just thought that may help. sorry |
| 10:10.53 | pro | liable thanks, will try all that anyway, |
| 10:10.58 | greyson | Guerin: good call. |
| 10:11.12 | nvz | pro: is input, hid, and usbmouse all loaded? |
| 10:11.36 | pro | nvz yeah they built into kernel |
| 10:11.59 | nvz | pro: you compiled the kernel yourself? |
| 10:12.00 | pro | yeah |
| 10:12.04 | doub | !tell spdf about away |
| 10:12.08 | hellz_hunter | pro, do u have a /dev/mouse ? /dev/input/mice? |
| 10:12.11 | liable | again |
| 10:12.17 | pro | its the first thing I do, always |
| 10:12.41 | liable | pro: does it work with a stock kernel |
| 10:12.50 | Guerin | dpkg, usbmouse =~ s/X/X. On a modern system, only [5] should be necessary./ |
| 10:12.50 | dpkg | that's too long, Guerin |
| 10:12.51 | pro | just going to see if maybe i forgot to build it in, |
| 10:12.51 | greyson | Question: I'm getting a 'dpkg: serious warning: files list for ... missing, assuming [no files]' ;; how would one go about resolving this? |
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| 10:13.00 | Guerin | dpkg, usbmouse =~ s/X/X. On a modern system, only do [5]./ |
| 10:13.00 | dpkg | that's too long, Guerin |
| 10:13.02 | pro | liable dunno, i'll try that now now |
| 10:13.05 | Guerin | damn you to hell |
| 10:13.12 | liable | heh |
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| 10:13.39 | pro | ok, now i feel like a real dumbass |
| 10:13.55 | pro | i didnt include the usb HID input layer.... |
| 10:14.08 | ciba | where i can choose pfotos to send |
| 10:14.12 | nvz | pro: wtg |
| 10:14.17 | spdf | pro, its okay, happens to the best of them... |
| 10:14.27 | nse | Is there a way to make my application understand 3 different languages at the same time, i mean, set them up not to show those weird symbols when in a language different from enlglish |
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| 10:14.36 | nvz | ciba: are you capable of communicating in english? |
| 10:14.37 | spdf | pro, well, I don't know for certain that it does, but for the sake of making you feel better about it, I'm sure they do. |
| 10:14.37 | petemc | nse: utf8 |
| 10:14.51 | ciba | yes |
| 10:15.09 | liable | ciba: you mean photos? |
| 10:15.11 | pro | thanks 8) |
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| 10:15.20 | nvz | ciba: do you care to tell anyone what you are talking about? you have asked about photos many times |
| 10:15.21 | ciba | yes |
| 10:15.51 | petemc | i suspect ciba is a jibbering idiot |
| 10:15.54 | tombs | hi everyone |
| 10:16.03 | nvz | petemc: me too. |
| 10:16.12 | liable | petemc: english challenged I think. |
| 10:16.12 | ciba | fuck you |
| 10:16.23 | ciba | petemc |
| 10:16.29 | jetx | well he certainly understood that |
| 10:16.31 | liable | oooh,knows swear words though :) |
| 10:16.31 | cahoot | got the basic skills though |
| 10:16.32 | spdf | They always seem to learn the swears first.. |
| 10:16.43 | nvz | impressive. I thing he's passed the turing test |
| 10:16.44 | spdf | ciba, You want to view photos, to send? |
| 10:16.51 | nvz | showed emotion |
| 10:16.51 | jetx | hell i learn swear words and hello first |
| 10:16.59 | liable | well, fuck *is* kinda universal :) |
| 10:17.18 | ledet | i want to send views to photos |
| 10:17.43 | jetx | try babelfish ciba |
| 10:17.51 | ciba | ok |
| 10:17.52 | jetx | or something |
| 10:18.04 | jetx | babelfish.av.com |
| 10:18.04 | PolarWolf | Luckily 'fuck' is pretty much universible useable, which saves having to learn different languages |
| 10:18.04 | ledet | ciba: plz to be explainink problem in teh good language k thx plz omg |
| 10:18.12 | pro | ciba images.google.com there are many photos there, or you can try thehun.net |
| 10:18.26 | jetx | ciba: flickr.com or something |
| 10:18.29 | liable | hah |
| 10:18.33 | ciba | ok |
| 10:18.34 | nvz | gamp.mine.nu |
| 10:18.37 | liable | thehun :) |
| 10:18.39 | ciba | thanks |
| 10:18.39 | sussudio | !ru |
| 10:18.40 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 10:18.45 | nvz | :P only when penix is online |
| 10:18.56 | pro | liable yeah, i like the jokes they have there *gRIn* |
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| 10:19.15 | jetx | in Soviet Russia, Penix strikes you |
| 10:19.18 | liable | hehe, not that I know what it is :P |
| 10:19.24 | jetx | ~penixstrike nvz |
| 10:19.25 | apt | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking nvz to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 10:19.35 | nvz | !yinzersmite liable |
| 10:19.52 | liable | !aussiesmite nvz |
| 10:19.53 | dpkg | nvz: yeahh bob's your uncle you stupid wanker |
| 10:19.58 | sussudio | ciba: Machvi Machvi Machvi Machvi |
| 10:19.59 | tarzeau | jetx: heh |
| 10:20.01 | liable | :P |
| 10:20.14 | tarzeau | !topicbadger nvz |
| 10:20.15 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that nvz didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 10:20.26 | tarzeau | !dachs liable |
| 10:20.27 | dpkg | liable: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 10:20.42 | liable | Im already naked :P |
| 10:21.00 | tarzeau | sussudio: wenas |
| 10:21.02 | pro | liable you a grl? |
| 10:21.10 | tarzeau | pro: yeah, want a photo? |
| 10:21.20 | liable | if you want me to be, yes. |
| 10:21.26 | pngwn | heh |
| 10:21.28 | spdf | Er. Creepy. |
| 10:21.33 | pro | cool, im also a girl |
| 10:21.44 | jetx | tarzeau: how do i send photo |
| 10:21.52 | tarzeau | jetx: put it online, and send url to it |
| 10:21.58 | tarzeau | pro: photo please! |
| 10:21.58 | Guerin | pro: liable: this is like the Prisoner's Dilemma, isn't it? |
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| 10:22.11 | golanx | guerin :-) |
| 10:22.12 | ciba | sussudio who are you |
| 10:22.16 | nvz | you people are all acting very strange |
| 10:22.22 | jetx | tarzeau: where i can choose pfotos to send |
| 10:22.23 | doub | pro: naked too? |
| 10:22.37 | tarzeau | jetx: put it in /var/www and install thttpd or apache |
| 10:22.39 | pro | i can be naked, just give me a sec to lock the door |
| 10:22.56 | pro | seen as im at the office and all that shit |
| 10:22.58 | jetx | where i can choose pfotos to send where i can choose pfotos to send where i can choose pfotos to send |
| 10:23.18 | spdf | i can photo please help me to do you photo to people? |
| 10:23.47 | Guerin | doub: hot air is not the same as real heat |
| 10:23.56 | tarzeau | takatumi: moo |
| 10:23.57 | pro | and im not really a girl |
| 10:24.05 | Guerin | pro: no.... really? |
| 10:24.07 | tarzeau | pro: i am. i am! wanna date me? |
| 10:24.12 | Guerin | Oh, you had me so fooled! |
| 10:24.16 | doub | pro: oooh, really ? i'm disapointed |
| 10:24.16 | pro | but im gonna go smoke while this kernel compiles |
| 10:24.29 | pro | heh, but i can be a girl |
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| 10:25.00 | doub | pro: yeah, well, my dog can be too, if you go this way |
| 10:25.03 | jetx | where i can choose pfotos to send |
| 10:25.03 | nvz | I sure hope you all got rooted and this is just kawfehs talking, cause if not you all should be ashamed |
| 10:25.12 | liable | wtf does 'dachs' mean anyway? I have a childhood version of what *I* think it is. |
| 10:25.16 | jetx | !kawfee |
| 10:25.17 | dpkg | hmm... kawfee is KAWFEH, or married to Boris, the russian Ebay Bride. A troll; like a bot, but squishier |
| 10:25.18 | tarzeau | liable: a badger |
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| 10:25.29 | tarzeau | liable: in german language |
| 10:25.32 | liable | oh, wrong me then :( |
| 10:25.54 | tarzeau | streuner: ping |
| 10:25.58 | doub | Guerin: yep, and what you feel is just a matter of your senses, your brains, and the whole thing in between |
| 10:26.05 | liable | tarzeau: ok, well eine shlange? |
| 10:26.17 | nvz | I am going to make some breakfast, you all try and grow up while I am gone |
| 10:26.18 | tarzeau | liable: try google pictures |
| 10:26.22 | doub | Guerin: but that doesn't matter much with the actual problem |
| 10:26.26 | sussudio | liable: http://www.oberstdorf.de/se_data/_filebank/impressionen/galerie_tiere/dachs.JPG |
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| 10:26.34 | tarzeau | http://www.harzi.ch/gallery/CnG180605/P6181359 |
| 10:26.44 | liable | no, dont think I want to do that |
| 10:26.51 | spdf | liable, All you'll get is snakes.. |
| 10:27.33 | liable | ok, I folded, its a badger. sussudio |
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| 10:27.43 | gAri- | hey hey |
| 10:27.50 | gAri- | when I'm running a script from crontab |
| 10:27.56 | ciba | hi |
| 10:28.10 | gAri- | and that script runs pppd in debug nodetach |
| 10:28.12 | gAri- | . |
| 10:28.13 | liable | I think I might stop while I'm only mediamly behind. |
| 10:28.21 | liable | or whatever |
| 10:28.40 | gAri- | how can I run pppd from a script so that connects to a screen session for example? so I can verify what happens after? |
| 10:28.43 | ledet | gAri-: consider writing your question in _one_ line... |
| 10:29.02 | gAri- | ledet: okay, I saw it that I fucked up, thats why I typed that ponctuation alone :) |
| 10:29.13 | doub | gAri-: if you put 'debug' in your peers file it will appear in syslog directly |
| 10:29.18 | doub | gAri-: much simpler this way |
| 10:29.22 | gAri- | oh |
| 10:29.42 | Guerin | ok, taking candidates for my new 'break-me' machine at work |
| 10:29.58 | doub | gAri-: so add 'debug' and then launch the connection as usual |
| 10:30.18 | Guerin | I can install 5 OSen - debian will be one, openbsd another, gentoo another... I need two more |
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| 10:30.26 | Guerin | PRACE YOUR BETS!!! |
| 10:30.29 | doub | gAri-: you can also do this afterwards by sending an USR1 signal to pppd, iirc. check the pppd manpage for the gory details |
| 10:30.34 | hellz_hunter | Guerin, slackware |
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| 10:30.43 | gAri- | okay |
| 10:30.43 | Guerin | hellz_hunter: why? |
| 10:30.46 | PolarWolf | Guerin: opensolaris |
| 10:30.46 | tarzeau | Guerin: OPENSTEP |
| 10:30.49 | doub | Guerin: netbsd, freebsd? |
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| 10:30.54 | hellz_hunter | Guerin, u asked for another distro, i told u one :) |
| 10:30.57 | Guerin | PolarWolf: not free |
| 10:30.58 | sussudio | !badgeros |
| 10:30.58 | doub | Guerin: plan9 |
| 10:30.59 | dpkg | part of the mushroom framework. |
| 10:31.00 | Guerin | hellz_hunter: heh |
| 10:31.02 | liable | tarzeau: sorry, last question, can you break down that whole factoid, too explain it in english in a quick sentence? ( badger penis?) |
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| 10:31.06 | PolarWolf | Guerin: Free enough to install |
| 10:31.06 | thegraham | Hi, how do I setup my smarthost to use Authenticated SMTP? I'm using exim4 |
| 10:31.07 | Guerin | tarzeau: prediictable, from you. |
| 10:31.11 | hellz_hunter | Guerin, im using it right now and i seem to like it |
| 10:31.18 | hellz_hunter | Guerin, kinda hard to get used to, kinda hardcore |
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| 10:31.31 | Guerin | PolarWolf: no. According the the release notes there are some non-free components required for the install. |
| 10:31.45 | Guerin | PolarWolf: already scratched that one. |
| 10:31.56 | Guerin | doub: i like free software, mmkaay. |
| 10:31.57 | PolarWolf | Guerin: You actually need to install Solaris Express first |
| 10:32.06 | Guerin | PolarWolf: yes. |
| 10:32.16 | PolarWolf | Guerin: But is that a problem? What are you looking for, free as in speech or free as in beer? |
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| 10:32.30 | doub | Guerin: plan9 is, AFAIK |
| 10:32.36 | Guerin | PolarWolf: beer is nice, but speech is better. |
| 10:32.38 | [coreix]r00t3d | morning |
| 10:32.46 | Guerin | doub: noted. I'll look it up. |
| 10:32.57 | doub | Guerin: at least it's free as in beer |
| 10:32.59 | Guerin | The whole shopt has to work on plain x86 and fit in 3G |
| 10:33.10 | PolarWolf | Guerin: Well, solaris is free as in beer, and most of opensolaris is free as in speech. But oh well, it's your box. |
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| 10:33.47 | doub | Guerin: well, there's the hurd too, if you want hardcore free as in speech |
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| 10:34.16 | Guerin | doub: yeah, I think that's beyond me, tbh. I am considering it, though. |
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| 10:35.58 | doub | Guerin: debian gnu/hurd has an installer based on the old debian gnu/linux bootfloppies installer |
| 10:36.16 | doub | Guerin: i've never been able to go past this one, though |
| 10:37.03 | pro | ahh i think i have a solution for my USB mouse problem, i found a usb->ps2 converter.... bbl going to see if it works |
| 10:37.23 | Guerin | doub: ah well, if I can get it installed, how hard can it be to work? |
| 10:37.41 | Guerin | (he says, knowing that he's liable to be a drooling moron by day 2) |
| 10:38.01 | doub | Guerin: i don't really know, as i told you, i've never been past the installer |
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| 10:38.17 | liable | who says I'm a drooling moron |
| 10:38.20 | liable | :P |
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| 10:38.25 | rixth | Am I correct in that there is no way to draw a circle or line in The Gimp. I can't see it. |
| 10:38.30 | Guerin | liable: no, me. |
| 10:38.37 | Guerin | rixth: give over. |
| 10:38.50 | jimi_ | hey guys, is it normal for a just compiled kernel deb file to be > 7mb? |
| 10:38.58 | rixth | I understand not 'give over' |
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| 10:39.26 | thegraham | How do I set up exim to use an authenticated smtp for my smarthost? |
| 10:39.33 | doub | Guerin: but doesn't seem too hard to work with, unix is still here a little bit, and you have the whole debian package managment as usual, AFAIK |
| 10:39.57 | doub | Guerin: well, i'd be glad to go past the installer for once |
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| 10:40.05 | jimi_ | anyone? |
| 10:40.17 | rixth | jimi_, I'd say no |
| 10:40.26 | rixth | What version is i |
| 10:40.27 | rixth | t |
| 10:41.07 | jimi_ | 2.6.8 |
| 10:41.14 | rixth | Nah, not normal |
| 10:41.27 | rixth | But try it, just have a bootdisk ready |
| 10:41.31 | liable | jimi_: initrd in it? |
| 10:41.32 | boycer | jimi_: might be normal - mine are between 4 and 10 MB |
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| 10:41.41 | doub | rixth: aren't debian kernel packages about 12 mb? |
| 10:42.06 | jimi_ | rixth: really, cant i just switch kernel with grub |
| 10:42.09 | rixth | True, my 2.6.12 (very, very cut down) is only 7.4mb, so ignore me :) |
| 10:42.11 | liable | this is the .deb though |
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| 10:42.24 | rixth | (that's with the initrd) |
| 10:42.25 | liable | or is it? |
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| 10:42.34 | jimi_ | is a boot disk necessary? |
| 10:42.40 | PolarWolf | Has anyone with sufficient authority on the subject checked Sun's CDDL license for DFSG compliance yet? |
| 10:42.55 | doub | jimi_: with grub, not mandatory |
| 10:42.55 | jetx | jimi_: only if you want to be able to boot it for sure |
| 10:43.01 | jetx | i would just in case |
| 10:43.05 | doub | jimi_: except if you f*** up your MBR |
| 10:43.05 | jetx | but you don't have to |
| 10:43.33 | jimi_ | my laptop lacks a floppy drive =p |
| 10:43.50 | jetx | ok then don't |
| 10:43.53 | doub | jimi_: the debian install cd can act as one |
| 10:43.57 | jetx | you can always use the install cd |
| 10:44.01 | jetx | what he said |
| 10:44.21 | jimi_ | just use it to go back and set it to the other kernel right? |
| 10:44.41 | jetx | OMG look at all the new toys in sid |
| 10:45.07 | doub | jimi_: you can make shure it's in /boot/grub/menu.lst or just instruct it for the kernel to boot at, well, boot time |
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| 10:45.25 | doub | jimi_: but the latter is trickier if you don't know grub syntax |
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| 10:45.44 | rixth | So can I not draw circles (besides using a brush) in the Gimp? |
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| 10:46.16 | doub | rixth: it's strictly forbidden, as is to RTFM |
| 10:46.23 | liable | rixth: maybe read a gimp tute, or ?j #gimp? |
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| 10:46.53 | zdom | is X.org entered sid? |
| 10:46.57 | jimi_ | doub: yeah its in grub so im sure it will be ok |
| 10:47.12 | liable | rixth: irc.gnome.net iirc |
| 10:47.55 | rixth | liable: done both, the channel was dead last I tried. forbidden? wtf. |
| 10:48.10 | doub | rixth: just kidding |
| 10:48.21 | rixth | "The GIMP does not include standard tools to draw circles and rectangles" |
| 10:48.28 | boycer | jetx: what kind of new toys? |
| 10:48.39 | petemc | rixth: send a patch that adds that functionality |
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| 10:49.02 | rixth | petemc: I only know PHP. |
| 10:49.06 | pro | ok that worked |
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| 10:50.29 | pro | thanks guys |
| 10:50.53 | doub | rixth: maybe try a vector drawing program, like sketch or inkscape, iirc |
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| 10:51.47 | jetx | boy that's a big update, good thing i'm using dselect. |
| 10:51.52 | rixth | doub, all I'm wanting to do is draw simple web graphics |
| 10:51.58 | jetx | gimp |
| 10:52.02 | yowe | would you say that debian is fast ? |
| 10:52.11 | rixth | No |
| 10:52.12 | jetx | it's as fast as you make it |
| 10:52.19 | rixth | Not for bootup anyway |
| 10:52.27 | jetx | but the defaults are ultra conservative |
| 10:52.43 | jetx | or at least conservative |
| 10:52.44 | pro | yowe: would you say how long a piece of sting is? |
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| 10:52.58 | pro | s/sting/string/ |
| 10:52.58 | doojin | an |
| 10:52.58 | doojin | jesus |
| 10:53.01 | Roadrunne | hi, is there an easy bandwidth monitor for debian, to track the bandwidth? (perhaps any console tool)? |
| 10:53.08 | doojin | Where can I find netinstall cd image? |
| 10:53.17 | jetx | debian.org |
| 10:53.20 | pro | Roadrunne: look at iptraf, or bandwidthd |
| 10:53.23 | ledet | Roadrunne: "easy"... perhaps ntop |
| 10:53.27 | doojin | I'm downloading from debian main server but it's too slow |
| 10:53.28 | liable | !d-i doojin |
| 10:53.29 | dpkg | doojin, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:53.42 | doojin | I live in south korea, so I want a file in south korea server |
| 10:53.48 | jetx | doojin: there are 50billion mirrors, give or take a few billion |
| 10:53.56 | Roadrunne | pro: i'm using iptraf, but it's only showing the current throughpu, not anything from the past. |
| 10:53.58 | jetx | there is sure to be one there |
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| 10:54.03 | yowe | pro, but would you say that it takes a long time to launch firefox, to boot ? |
| 10:54.12 | jetx | look on the mirror list |
| 10:54.25 | Roadrunne | ledet: is ntop tracking statistics, to see past stuff? |
| 10:54.27 | pro | Roadrunne: go to the logging, then look on google/linux for iptraf rrdtool tutorial |
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| 10:55.07 | Roadrunne | pro: ok, i'll take a look on it. thx |
| 10:55.11 | pro | Roadrunne: you can only see things from this point on, nohting that happened in the past, unless you were logging it |
| 10:55.37 | Roadrunne | pro: sure, but I search an easy tool for starting loggin now ;-) |
| 10:55.52 | doojin | damn |
| 10:55.56 | pro | Roadrunne: then bandwidthd is easy (freshmeat.net) |
| 10:56.01 | doojin | I can't find |
| 10:56.09 | jetx | # Korea: ftp.kr.debian.org ftp.kreonet.re.kr |
| 10:56.12 | doojin | I can't find netinstall image in ftp servers |
| 10:56.17 | jetx | o |
| 10:56.19 | jetx | k |
| 10:56.29 | doub | yowe: what are you trying to say? that debian is not for you? go using something else then |
| 10:56.37 | Rebecoide | I don't know |
| 10:56.58 | Rebecoide | I don't understan |
| 10:57.03 | Roadrunne | pro: bandwidthd isn't a debian package? |
| 10:57.05 | liable | ?? |
| 10:57.07 | yowe | doub, no, i just want to know if i will install it |
| 10:57.22 | pro | Roadrunne: nope, you build it your self |
| 10:57.25 | doub | yowe: but debian is not pointy-clicky easy and fast, it's you to turn it that way if you want it so |
| 10:57.36 | doojin | jetx : let me know where in the ftp server is netinstall image is |
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| 10:58.01 | jetx | OMG ftp://ftp.kreonet.re.kr/pub/Linux/debian-cd/potato_update |
| 10:58.18 | jetx | the other one still has woody |
| 10:58.27 | doub | yowe: it's a collection of tools that you can use your own way, not ready-to-eat stuff |
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| 10:59.06 | doojin | jesus christ |
| 10:59.08 | nse | ir worked !! |
| 10:59.16 | doojin | I fucked up 10 cds during burning process long time ago |
| 10:59.17 | Guerin | doub: right. |
| 10:59.22 | Guerin | Thanks for your idea, people. |
| 10:59.24 | doojin | I hope I don't fuck up another cd |
| 10:59.41 | psf | hello, all! |
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| 11:00.18 | yowe | doub, ok. did you tweak it properly yourself ? is everything i need to know on the official doc or do you have any resources for tweaking ? |
| 11:00.37 | psf | little question about packages listed in (http://www.debian.org/devel/people): what means the asterisk in some packages? |
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| 11:00.48 | f-stop | hi, ... could someone help me with a software raid5 problem... I recently distupdated from woody to sarge.. now that I reboot my raid 5 won't come up |
| 11:01.20 | f-stop | in the examples they say to run mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/xxx on drives affected... |
| 11:01.42 | f-stop | is this going to do anything harmful to my raid? |
| 11:02.09 | doub | yowe: debian-reference (qref.sf.net or the so named package) is a good starting point |
| 11:02.26 | yowe | doub, thx i'll take a look |
| 11:03.06 | nse | that's the output of my locale charmap : locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory: UTF-8 |
| 11:03.12 | nse | how to go round this? |
| 11:03.23 | directhex|work | nse, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:03.52 | doub | yowe: i never bothered to tweak it as much as it's possible to, personally. but when installing servers for some clients, i did |
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| 11:03.59 | nse | directhex|work: I did it, choose one of the UTF-8 en and set it to the default, still the problem |
| 11:04.39 | doub | yowe: if you want to push debian to its limits, you'll have to go a looooong way. last time i tried i spent a full week tweaking |
| 11:04.43 | jetx | in a directory structure like this one: ftp://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian-cdimage/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 11:05.36 | doub | yowe: at the same time you learn a lot about the underlying system, it's amazing. well, at least to me |
| 11:05.36 | jetx | subst your_mirror for debian.oregonstate.edu... if it doesn't work it's not rsyched lately or whatever |
| 11:06.27 | doojin | hahahaha |
| 11:06.28 | f-stop | anyone able to help me with my software raid 5 problem? |
| 11:06.32 | doojin | I succeeded in burning a cd |
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| 11:06.53 | yowe | doub, i don't know a lot about debian, i've only used slackware & netbsd, but i heard that debian offered so many control that it was really complex |
| 11:06.57 | liable | !prise doojin |
| 11:07.05 | liable | oops |
| 11:07.17 | liable | goddam engrish |
| 11:08.02 | doojin | hahahaha |
| 11:08.11 | doojin | now I"m gonna install debian with netinstall cd |
| 11:08.12 | doojin | bye |
| 11:08.13 | directhex|work | yowe, no, really, the point of it is that it simplifies the control greatly |
| 11:08.23 | jetx | bbl |
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| 11:09.10 | nse | directhex|work: any other idea? |
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| 11:09.45 | directhex|work | nse, nope, sorry |
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| 11:10.37 | yowe | directhex|work, so the myth of debian as an over-complex distro is false ? |
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| 11:11.47 | directhex|work | yowe, it depends how you define complexity. debian's main strengths are in the triviality of installing, removing, and maintainng software and a system as a whole. i find "easy" things like fedora just get in the way |
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| 11:13.36 | doub | yowe: it's easy to have the tools you want at hand, but then it's you to discover how to use them |
| 11:13.37 | f-stop | can someone help me with my raid5 problem |
| 11:14.03 | f-stop | I distupgraded from woody to sarge, and now I can't mount my raid5... :( |
| 11:14.14 | liable | f-stop: did you upgrade the kernel? |
| 11:14.17 | trueno | Anyone knows if the connection between Linux (smbfs) and W2k3 server is encrypted? (The connection between w2k3 and other "modern" win is supposed to be encrypted). |
| 11:14.27 | f-stop | liable: nope.. I used the same kernel... do I need to? |
| 11:14.31 | liable | trueno: should be |
| 11:14.44 | liable | f-stop: no |
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| 11:15.01 | f-stop | liable: It said something that I needed to rewrite the superblock |
| 11:15.03 | rixth | How do I export a variable in bash? |
| 11:15.14 | ethics | f-stoip how did you use raid before mdadm? |
| 11:15.16 | Guerin | rixth: export BADGERS=mushrooms |
| 11:15.16 | f-stop | liable: I am afraid rewriting the superblock of the raid will erase the data |
| 11:15.18 | yowe | thx for your advices |
| 11:15.27 | Guerin | rixth: honestly, it's not rocket science |
| 11:15.29 | liable | trueno: err, well the nt connections as a whole should be, wont work otherwise I believe iirc |
| 11:15.41 | f-stop | ethics: umm .. I was sure I was using mdadm, but this new version does things differently |
| 11:15.42 | rixth | SNAKE! ITS A SNAKE! :) |
| 11:15.52 | f-stop | ethics: I can pool one drive, and it says the raid is fine, but it wont mount it.... |
| 11:15.55 | cast | hmm, how do i mount usbfs? ive been told i need it to get sane to work :\ |
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| 11:16.20 | directhex|work | liable, i think xp still has insecure win98-style smb enabled by default. using cifs rather than smbfs is more likely to be certain, i should think |
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| 11:17.06 | cast | ahh, my bad. already mounted |
| 11:17.18 | cast | was expecting df to list it |
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| 11:17.43 | liable | directhex|work: oh, hmm. ok dont have any info on that do you? |
| 11:18.22 | ethics | rixth: try just declaring it... |
| 11:18.32 | directhex|work | liable, not on me, i just remember xp still being prone to old nt4 smb insecurity password hacks |
| 11:18.59 | f-stop | sudo mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=6 /dev/hde1 /dev/hdf1 /dev/hdi1 /dev/hdj1 /dev/hdk1 /dev/hdl1 |
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| 11:19.04 | trueno | liable: Where could I get more info on this? |
| 11:19.08 | liable | ok, might have a look |
| 11:19.09 | f-stop | thats what they are suggesting to do.. something like that to fix it |
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| 11:19.39 | ethics | f-stop you made a backup yeah? |
| 11:19.52 | f-stop | ethics: of 1.4TB? |
| 11:19.56 | f-stop | :( |
| 11:20.07 | petemc | thats an odd sort of logic.. |
| 11:20.16 | liable | trueno: try samba.org or whatever it is, the homepage for samba. |
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| 11:20.25 | ethics | f-stop: my pc here is 2tb...i backup... |
| 11:20.38 | f-stop | I have the important stuff backed up |
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| 11:21.02 | petemc | ethics: a pc with 2 tb? thats impressive |
| 11:21.02 | f-stop | Is there a way to go back.. once I've distupdated back to say woody from sarge? |
| 11:21.08 | ethics | f-stop ahh kk thats good hehe..i dont expect you to have everything hehe |
| 11:21.45 | ethics | petemc yeah i was surprised at my mobo..it has 6 ide and 4 sata ....i couldnt beleive it heheh 915 gigabyte board |
| 11:22.21 | f-stop | anyone know If I can go back from sarge to woody? |
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| 11:22.27 | f-stop | and how I would do so |
| 11:22.32 | coreix|imran | #slackware |
| 11:22.38 | chealer | !tell f-stop about downgrade |
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| 11:22.42 | coreix|imran | oops |
| 11:22.46 | coreix|imran | missed the /join bit |
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| 11:22.56 | ethics | liable heheh im sure thats a drive or two heheh i have 90 odd dvds in here atm to rip down divx4 or something i think....mythtv box originally |
| 11:23.10 | f-stop | grrrrrrr |
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| 11:23.18 | liable | hehe |
| 11:23.31 | Guerin | f-stop: why do you want to? |
| 11:23.45 | f-stop | well raid was working perfect before I just did this distupdate |
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| 11:24.06 | trueno | liable: Thanks :-) |
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| 11:24.14 | f-stop | Guerin: cause I dont wanna 'kill' my raid, I'm not about to run anything that could accidentally kill it :( |
| 11:24.23 | ethics | liable heheh fstops been asking for what 15 mins then downgrade comes up guerin to the resue....its like he should have a cape and entrance music hehehe |
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| 11:24.57 | Guerin | f-stop: ah. |
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| 11:24.59 | doojin | hi |
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| 11:25.03 | Guerin | naw |
| 11:25.09 | doojin | netinstall cd is weird |
| 11:25.11 | Guerin | I know less than nothing about raid |
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| 11:25.19 | Guerin | and am perfectly happy that way |
| 11:25.25 | sylvain | hi |
| 11:25.27 | f-stop | there is a command it is suggesting I do... mdadm --create devices etc etc... |
| 11:25.28 | ethics | guerin well it looked good 8) |
| 11:25.33 | liable | !supaman Guerin |
| 11:25.34 | doojin | when I boot with netinstall cd, it just displays "DHCP /" and doesn't proceed |
| 11:25.36 | doojin | god damn it |
| 11:25.37 | liable | :P |
| 11:25.41 | f-stop | but I am afraid what happens it screws up :( |
| 11:25.49 | doojin | what can I do? |
| 11:25.49 | f-stop | it = if it |
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| 11:26.09 | doojin | Help me |
| 11:26.19 | doojin | somebody help me |
| 11:26.28 | ethics | doojin hit f1 |
| 11:26.31 | doojin | what? |
| 11:26.40 | doojin | hit f1 when I boot with it? |
| 11:26.44 | ethics | doojin oh you mean at detecting dhcp in the installer? |
| 11:26.44 | liable | doojin: how do you connect to the net? |
| 11:26.45 | Guerin | f-stop: there are some raid gurus who hang in here. Just wait. |
| 11:26.53 | doojin | I use a router |
| 11:27.03 | liable | staic ip? |
| 11:27.07 | doojin | yes |
| 11:27.11 | liable | static even |
| 11:27.14 | doojin | I set a static ip in my router |
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| 11:27.31 | Guerin | anyway, the reason I didn't know about f-stop's problem is that I've been making barbecue sauce from scratch |
| 11:27.32 | doojin | mine is 192.168.0.2 |
| 11:27.35 | liable | well put you fucking machine ip and gateway in then |
| 11:27.41 | doojin | liable : how?> |
| 11:27.46 | Guerin | it's more voodoo than anything else |
| 11:27.47 | doojin | I can't |
| 11:27.47 | ethics | sigh.... vmware cant play games 8( i thought id get something old to run but nope hehe |
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| 11:27.57 | doojin | I don't have a choice |
| 11:28.02 | petemc | doojin: what part of the install guide confuses you? |
| 11:28.06 | liable | doojin: can you make your router do dhcp? |
| 11:28.10 | doojin | jesus |
| 11:28.18 | doojin | my router uses static dhcp |
| 11:28.21 | doojin | do you know? |
| 11:28.29 | ethics | sigh... |
| 11:28.29 | petemc | static dhcp? |
| 11:28.30 | Eulex | check out http://counter.li.org/reports/machines.php (scroll down to distribution) |
| 11:28.30 | liable | erm |
| 11:28.35 | petemc | thats sort of an oxymoron |
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| 11:28.39 | Eulex | afaik dhcp is dynamic |
| 11:28.40 | doojin | my router gives my lan only 192.168.0.2 |
| 11:28.43 | ethics | !say giggle |
| 11:28.44 | dpkg | giggle |
| 11:29.04 | doojin | my router recognizes my lan and give 192.168.0.2 to mine |
| 11:29.04 | Eulex | doojin: then it remembers your computers name & mac |
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| 11:29.18 | doojin | jesus |
| 11:29.22 | doojin | I didn't read installation guide |
| 11:29.23 | Eulex | doojin: by 'lan', do you mean your computer? |
| 11:29.31 | liable | doojin: *sigh* what is your routers ip? |
| 11:29.32 | doojin | yes |
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| 11:29.35 | doojin | 192.168.0.1 |
| 11:29.40 | doojin | is my router's ip |
| 11:30.10 | Eulex | !tell doojin about lan |
| 11:30.29 | Eulex | doojin: what is not working? |
| 11:30.31 | doojin | LAN is local area network |
| 11:30.44 | doojin | hmm |
| 11:30.51 | doojin | DHCP detecting process is weird |
| 11:30.55 | doojin | It doesn't show any result |
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| 11:31.03 | tralala | !tell doojin -about enter |
| 11:31.14 | Eulex | !tell dhcp about smart questions |
| 11:31.14 | polytek | hello :) |
| 11:31.16 | doojin | and netinstall cd passes the booting process to my harddisk |
| 11:31.29 | Eulex | !tell doojin about smart questions |
| 11:31.31 | liable | Eulex: ??? :P |
| 11:31.37 | Eulex | dhcp: sorry |
| 11:31.41 | doojin | Eulex : what are you doing? |
| 11:31.49 | petemc | doojin: how about you do read the install guide, instead of complaining in here |
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| 11:32.33 | doojin | I'm reading |
| 11:32.36 | liable | doojin: just put your ip as 192.168.0.1 and gateway as the routers ip. |
| 11:32.38 | petemc | thats the spirit |
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| 11:32.44 | doojin | liable : that's impossible |
| 11:32.48 | liable | s/,01/.02 |
| 11:33.07 | liable | why? |
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| 11:33.49 | doojin | netinstall cd boot processing doesn't accept pressing a key |
| 11:34.06 | doojin | except alt+ctrl+del |
| 11:34.23 | ethics | doojin, L your talking about a dos screen look yah before linux even fires off? |
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| 11:34.43 | ethics | as in network card detect |
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| 11:35.19 | doojin | in dhcp detecting process, it doesn't proceed anymore |
| 11:35.37 | tralala | that's a classic pebkac |
| 11:35.39 | doojin | and it passes the booting process to my harddisk and I see windows arising from black screen |
| 11:35.42 | ethics | doojin is that before you see any activity on cdrom or is that after the netinstaller starts |
| 11:35.43 | liable | you *dont* have to use dhcp |
| 11:35.49 | doojin | after it starts |
| 11:36.03 | ethics | doojin yeah just choose static ip when you go in next time |
| 11:36.09 | doojin | how? |
| 11:36.15 | doojin | there's no option screen |
| 11:36.29 | liable | sheesh |
| 11:36.35 | ethics | doojin: ok what file did ou download then to burn this cd? |
| 11:37.01 | liable | doojin: give us the exact url where you got the install cd |
| 11:37.05 | doojin | ok |
| 11:37.17 | doojin | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:37.23 | doojin | This is it |
| 11:37.54 | doojin | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 11:38.11 | doojin | i386 |
| 11:38.15 | doojin | Official net install images for the "stable" release |
| 11:38.24 | doojin | I typed every information |
| 11:38.40 | ethics | doojin is it possible your keyboard has a stuck key or perhaps is special? usb notebook etc? |
| 11:39.06 | rixth | How do I get gmake? |
| 11:39.10 | liable | doojin: press go back |
| 11:39.12 | rixth | Wait. |
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| 11:39.19 | rixth | gmake = Windows related? |
| 11:39.23 | doojin | what? |
| 11:39.27 | ethics | doojin normally the installer probes modules etc first then asks how you hit the network dhcp or static ip |
| 11:39.28 | doojin | stuck? |
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| 11:39.46 | liable | you have to partition before you get to the net bit with the install dontya? |
| 11:39.55 | doojin | The installer starts with dhcp detecting |
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| 11:40.07 | doojin | I made a partition for debian |
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| 11:40.24 | doojin | I use laptop |
| 11:40.44 | mikael_a | hi can i mount an tape backup DDS4 in fstab? /dev/st0 ? |
| 11:40.46 | doojin | what if one more time I boot with the cd |
| 11:40.52 | doojin | see you soon |
| 11:41.22 | ben_ | mikael_a: you don't mount it |
| 11:41.29 | mikael_a | using mt? |
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| 11:41.40 | ben_ | mikael_a: you treat it as a file and use tar or cpio or whatever to pull data off of it |
| 11:41.41 | petemc | debian can hang when probing certain memory ranges for pcmcia cards |
| 11:41.51 | ben_ | mikael_a: that depends on what program you used to create the backup |
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| 11:42.44 | mikael_a | this i use to do: tar -cvvf /dev/st0 tmp/ |
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| 11:44.06 | tralala | mikael_a: tar tvvf /dev/st0 |
| 11:44.35 | tralala | then figure out what do you want to extract and extract it |
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| 11:44.41 | doojin | jesus |
| 11:44.52 | doojin | the installer begins with dhcp detecting and |
| 11:45.03 | doojin | my router doesn't show any signal from my computer |
| 11:45.05 | mikael_a | the tape now is wery old studd on it so i want to erase all... |
| 11:45.08 | doojin | how is it possible? |
| 11:45.35 | mikael_a | tralala what does tvvf do? |
| 11:45.58 | liable | doojin: press enter, configure network manualy |
| 11:46.03 | petemc | doojin: configuring a nic isnt rocket science, instead of going "jesus.." switch to a console, check the moduel for your nic is loaded, or theres support in the kernel |
| 11:46.08 | tralala | mikael_a: it lists the contents of a tar archive. man tar for more |
| 11:46.18 | streuner | doojin: so your hardware-router supports DHCP at all? |
| 11:46.29 | doojin | my router supports dhcp |
| 11:46.43 | liable | doojin: ffs just choose the menu for configuring it manually |
| 11:46.46 | doojin | I use static dhcp |
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| 11:46.59 | Eulex | doojin: it's still dhcp |
| 11:47.04 | petemc | doojin: its obviously not working, maybe you gave the router the wrong mac address |
| 11:47.06 | streuner | doojin: oh, static DHCP - thats new to me :-) |
| 11:47.23 | doojin | what key do I press to see a menu? |
| 11:47.31 | doojin | F1? |
| 11:47.36 | Eulex | streuner, what he means is that the router remembers his machines and sets the same ip every time |
| 11:47.36 | streuner | dhcp |
| 11:47.36 | mikael_a | do i use tar -cvvf /dev/st0 erase to erase the tape then? |
| 11:47.40 | streuner | dpkg, dhcp |
| 11:47.41 | dpkg | dhcp is, like, Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 11:47.50 | petemc | doojin: if dhcp fails, it should ask do you want to set it manually |
| 11:48.02 | liable | doojin: do you actually undestand the fucking menu where it says, "configure network manually" ??????? |
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| 11:48.04 | petemc | doojin: this is all explained in the install guide |
| 11:48.07 | emRick | what is that file that contains logging information such as startup or USB device connect or internet connect informatio? |
| 11:48.17 | streuner | Eulex: well, thats all DHCP servers usually do |
| 11:48.37 | ethics | emrick um dmesg for usb and hardware stuff |
| 11:48.37 | Eulex | emRick, /var/log/syslog |
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| 11:48.48 | pwk | !tell pwk about real kernel |
| 11:48.51 | petemc | Eulex: dmesg |
| 11:48.57 | streuner | emRick: look at dmesg or/and /var/log/dmesg as well |
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| 11:49.10 | emRick | ok, dmesg rings a bell |
| 11:49.15 | Noid | what tool is there in debian to connect to a dsl router via /dev/ttyS0? |
| 11:49.27 | jm_ | minicom and a few others |
| 11:49.31 | doojin | "When the installer boots, you should be presented with a friendly graphical screen showing the Debian logo and the boot prompt" |
| 11:49.44 | doojin | Press F1 for help, or ENTER to boot: |
| 11:49.49 | liable | doojin: you fucking idiot |
| 11:49.51 | doojin | my installer doesn't display that |
| 11:50.00 | petemc | liable: calm down, getting angry serves no purpose |
| 11:50.04 | liable | doojin: I have just booted my work pc with it |
| 11:50.15 | petemc | doojin: what do you see? |
| 11:50.31 | streuner | petemc: d-i is fool-proofed ! ;-) |
| 11:50.36 | liable | doojin: after it failed dhcp, it gives a menu to configure the network |
| 11:50.36 | doojin | Intel blah blah....... DHCP /| |
| 11:50.46 | petemc | streuner: you would have thought so.. |
| 11:50.52 | doojin | after it failed dhcp, I see windows arising from black screen |
| 11:50.55 | petemc | doojin: thats pxe |
| 11:50.59 | streuner | petemc: well ... |
| 11:51.04 | doojin | jesus christ |
| 11:51.04 | petemc | doojin: its not booting from the cd |
| 11:51.07 | Phated | Hit esc or change your boot order. |
| 11:51.10 | doojin | did I burned a pxe cd? |
| 11:51.14 | Eulex | petemc: I think my syslog shows a lot of what he was asking for |
| 11:51.16 | streuner | Phated: ! |
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| 11:51.24 | Phated | doojin: Network boot. |
| 11:51.25 | doojin | i |
| 11:51.26 | streuner | Phated: how are things? |
| 11:51.28 | petemc | Eulex: i think you might be right |
| 11:51.36 | doojin | ok |
| 11:51.38 | Phated | streuner: Excellent, as it happens. And how are you? |
| 11:51.39 | doojin | see you so much later |
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| 11:51.46 | streuner | Phated: thanks, fine. |
| 11:51.52 | Phated | streuner: Lovely. |
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| 11:52.47 | streuner | Phated: ever listen to 'Living Colour'? |
| 11:52.51 | ethics | thats the intell 10/100 pro S network boot message i think doojin |
| 11:52.55 | Phated | streuner: No, should I? |
| 11:53.03 | streuner | Phated: of course ;-) |
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| 11:53.14 | Phated | streuner: Noted. :) |
| 11:53.31 | streuner | Phated: but, its (Hard)-Rock |
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| 11:54.18 | ethics | struener id liken it to about perljam first album heaviness if thats a level hehe |
| 11:54.19 | Phated | streuner: I'll give them a try. |
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| 11:54.38 | petemc | ten++ |
| 11:54.43 | ethics | struener or maybee even audioslave from today |
| 11:54.51 | Guerin | hah |
| 11:54.55 | Guerin | ten wasn't heavy |
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| 11:54.58 | emRick | what is that directory that holds various startup scripts? and where do those directories log their information? |
| 11:54.59 | doojin | jesus christ |
| 11:55.01 | doojin | the problem is |
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| 11:55.09 | doojin | I fucked a cd during burning process |
| 11:55.19 | Guerin | it wasn't even that good - as grunge goes, neil young even beats them |
| 11:55.23 | niels3 | test nj |
| 11:55.26 | doojin | I burned a installer cd, but the cd doesn't contain anything |
| 11:55.31 | petemc | thats one problem, the other problem is you dont know what you're doing |
| 11:55.35 | ethics | guerin it was compare to yeild heheheh but dompared to disturbed or coalchamber no its not hehe |
| 11:55.49 | doojin | aarrrgggghh! |
| 11:55.52 | petemc | Guerin: ten wasnt that good?!!! |
| 11:55.54 | doojin | my fucking dumb cd writer |
| 11:56.00 | streuner | Guerin: how do you compare Neil Young vs. Pearl Jam, Living Colour ? ;-) |
| 11:56.14 | Guerin | streuner: neil young INVENTED grunge. |
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| 11:56.16 | liable | doojin: can you burn it on another pc maybe? |
| 11:56.19 | streuner | heh |
| 11:56.23 | ethics | i think about a line after of before liable started to help i said hit f1 because i thought it was the network boot heheheheh |
| 11:56.27 | doojin | liable : I don't have another pc |
| 11:56.35 | Guerin | petemc: it wasn't BAD, but it wasn't ... say ... badmotorfinger. |
| 11:56.37 | liable | Guerin: sheesh how fucking old are ya? |
| 11:56.57 | liable | doojin: go to a net cafe then |
| 11:57.06 | ethics | liable he was a founder in seattle ....... |
| 11:57.07 | Guerin | liable: old enough to love c&w and hip-hop about equally. |
| 11:57.34 | ethics | guerin wow hiphop too you surprise me daily 8) |
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| 11:57.56 | ethics | guerin c&w i think they have a cream for that now... |
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| 11:58.00 | liable | hmm, neil young and hip hop eeewww |
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| 11:58.02 | lewis | how does one stop spam from accumulating on a secondary mail server. It appears that when mail is bounced back, the mail server would just try to send it again to the primary mail server, and things get in a loop, and messages get frozen. |
| 11:58.04 | liable | :P |
| 11:58.17 | doojin | net cafe |
| 11:58.23 | Guerin | 8 mile was good for the rhyming, but nothing else |
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| 11:58.35 | J_P | hi all |
| 11:58.48 | ethics | i liked the extras where the street guys just tried hehe |
| 11:58.50 | liable | I actually liked it, should have had more of them battles though |
| 11:58.53 | Guerin | lewis: don't bounce spam. Why the fuck are you? just /dev/null it |
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| 11:59.18 | Guerin | lewis: or pass it to the user with headers and let it be their problem |
| 11:59.28 | streuner | Guerin: http://imdb.com/title/tt0298203/ |
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| 11:59.39 | ethics | liable the bonus bits had some of the auditioners ....cant remember any of them being notable tho |
| 11:59.57 | emRick | where is the log inforamiot or /etc/init.d stored? |
| 12:00.03 | emRick | where is the log inforamion of /etc/init.d stored? |
| 12:00.06 | liable | ethics: yeah seen it, pretty shitty iirc |
| 12:00.09 | Guerin | streuner: thanks. Seen it. Got the album. why? |
| 12:00.28 | Guerin | emRick: syslog, or not at all. |
| 12:00.32 | streuner | Guerin: sadly you are not a native german speaker, so you would love 'King Orgasmus' ;-) |
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| 12:00.36 | tralala | emRick: do not repeat. I repeat: do *not* repeat! |
| 12:00.44 | streuner | Guerin: german Rap |
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| 12:00.55 | jm_ | emRick: nowhere unless you enabled bootlogd |
| 12:00.56 | liable | tralala: hehe |
| 12:00.58 | Guerin | streuner: heh. I have heard a fair bit of german hiphop and ragga, though. |
| 12:01.11 | liable | germen reggae? |
| 12:01.18 | liable | ragga? |
| 12:01.26 | ethics | ay that rate there hed be kicked from flooding before he spelt information right hehehe |
| 12:01.30 | Guerin | streuner: a mate of mine moved to berlin and lived there for 3 years with his german wife, growing ganja in his kitchen and dodging the russian mafia... at age 18 |
| 12:01.41 | Guerin | liable: yeah, there's a huge ragga scene in germany |
| 12:01.43 | lewis | Guerin: since the primary mail server is up, it looks like spammers are targeting the secondary mail server. The secondary mail server processes it, and for e-mails for certain domains, it relays them to the primary mail server. If the e-mails are spam or for invalid users, the primary mail server presumably sends it back. I haven't got enough info yet to know what, but what do you think the secondary mail server does with those 'bounced' messages |
| 12:01.54 | lewis | sorry - perhaps I am just getting confused. |
| 12:02.06 | liable | is ragga like the bob marley thing? |
| 12:02.13 | Guerin | lewis: find out what's actually happening and get back to us. |
| 12:02.15 | streuner | Guerin: the german raggae scene is in the big cities |
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| 12:02.34 | Guerin | lewis: not really. More like spragga benz and co. |
| 12:02.39 | streuner | Guerin: in most cities you hardly find someone who play even Raggae |
| 12:02.46 | doub | is there any possible way for a server not have its hard drive on 24/7? that is, let them spin down when idle |
| 12:02.48 | lewis | Guerin: check - I deleted all the frozen/looped spam messages before fully investigating |
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| 12:03.00 | Guerin | streuner: oh. I'm really only familiar with former Ostberlin |
| 12:03.03 | ethics | struener if i like ramstein is there anyone one else youd recomend a listen to? |
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| 12:03.13 | Guerin | devilx: hdparm |
| 12:03.14 | ethics | pardon the spelling .. |
| 12:03.16 | Guerin | bah |
| 12:03.19 | emRick | tralala: sorry but I wasn't repeating ... I was correcting two typos |
| 12:03.19 | streuner | Guerin: well, Berlin has over 4.000.000 people... |
| 12:03.30 | Guerin | doub: hdparm or apm/acpi |
| 12:03.30 | devilx | Hi, I've just created a new partition (hda3). How can I make my kernel create the device node for it? (/dev/hda3) |
| 12:03.32 | Guerin | streuner: yes. |
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| 12:03.41 | F-Lelo | hi mates |
| 12:03.47 | F-Lelo | stupid question here... |
| 12:03.58 | F-Lelo | apt is set with a proxy |
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| 12:04.08 | F-Lelo | how do I remove the proxy from apt without using apt-setup? |
| 12:04.11 | tralala | emRick: don't correct typos by sending the whole line again - especially when you introduce new typos when correcting the old ones |
| 12:04.23 | Guerin | F-Lelo: edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root |
| 12:04.31 | doub | Guerin: yes, but hdparm can't do that automagically, can it? and even then, i've been told and observed on a laptop that even an idle HD is spinned up just 2 secs average after spinning down, by default |
| 12:04.57 | Guerin | doub: you can set hdparm to arbitrary spindown times, and have it run at boot |
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| 12:05.07 | doub | Guerin: something like dirty pages flushing, even if there's no dirty pages |
| 12:05.21 | F-Lelo | Guerin: no mate, it's not that... it is using a squid to get stuff and the squid went off, so I need to make it not use the squid |
| 12:05.30 | petemc | F-Lelo: unset http_proxy |
| 12:05.37 | doub | Guerin: yes, but that's an internal hard drive setting, which won't do much if the kernel requests a write every 5 sec |
| 12:05.40 | F-Lelo | petemc: I tried that, it didn't work hehehe |
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| 12:05.48 | mickzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.52 | mickzz | "debian-installer/framebuffer=false" and "video=vga16:off" but it stil tried to load de fb module, could someone help me? :) ty |
| 12:06.13 | azol | hi all. is it ok? c--------- 1 root dialout 4, 64 Jun 21 14:56 /dev/ttyS0 |
| 12:06.14 | ethics | !if its being asked to write it's not idle |
| 12:06.22 | ethics | a logging disk is rarely idle |
| 12:06.26 | tralala | F-Lelo: it's somewhere in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 12:06.46 | F-Lelo | tralala: alright, good thinking... :) Thanks, I'll search for it there |
| 12:07.02 | liable | doub: arent desktop/server hard drives made to run all the time, and actually limited a lot by spin ups? |
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| 12:07.34 | doub | liable: they're so designed, but my electricty bill is not designed to grow up like it does |
| 12:07.40 | ethics | i would personally have thought that spinning disks down was worse for the motors too but im no harddrive nut anymore |
| 12:07.40 | F-Lelo | tralala: not there too :/// |
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| 12:07.47 | liable | doub: if you really want to do it, install laptop-mode-tools |
| 12:08.23 | tralala | F-Lelo: it's either there or in an environment variable (env | grep -i proxy) |
| 12:08.43 | jm_ | mickzz: so maybe try video=vesafb:off |
| 12:08.49 | Guerin | doub: if the kernel wants to write every 5 seconds, you're going to have to let it. Caching writes for long enough to make a spindown worthwhile will be painful if you lose power, etc. |
| 12:08.52 | F-Lelo | tralala: no mate... nothing |
| 12:08.52 | F-Lelo | mailwite:/etc/apt/apt.conf.d# env | grep -i proxy |
| 12:08.53 | F-Lelo | mailwite:/etc/apt/apt.conf.d# grep proxy * |
| 12:08.55 | F-Lelo | :/ |
| 12:08.55 | CQ | what do I need to install to get java 1.5? Do I need to get it from sun, or is there an installer in contrib? |
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| 12:09.04 | thomas_adam | CQ: /msg dpkg java |
| 12:09.11 | doub | liable: besides, i've red that, for example in france, having all idle in house electronics turned real off would save 1 nuclear plant |
| 12:09.21 | thomas_adam | f-stop: What are you trying to do? |
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| 12:09.28 | F-Lelo | ops, sorry |
| 12:09.31 | thomas_adam | F-Lelo: & |
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| 12:09.47 | Guerin | doub: one workaround, if you're running multiple drives in the same box, is to run /var on one drive and everything else on another |
| 12:09.47 | thomas_adam | F-Lelo: What are you trying to do? |
| 12:09.52 | doub | liable: so having some convinient way to deal with idle stuff, or at least trying to, is important to me |
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| 12:09.58 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: take off proxy from apt's configuration |
| 12:10.01 | tralala | F-Lelo: grep -i proxy * |
| 12:10.02 | Guerin | doub: but you probably already have a better idea |
| 12:10.06 | F-Lelo | tralala: I did that |
| 12:10.08 | liable | doub: there is one daemon that does it, set noapic in fstab, worked for my lappie being accessed all the time |
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| 12:10.21 | tralala | F-Lelo: *-i* |
| 12:10.24 | Guerin | liable: itym noatime |
| 12:10.24 | vladkao | tralala: äðàñòå :-) |
| 12:10.24 | doub | Guerin: i have LVM everywhere actually, so i don't quite know where's what |
| 12:10.26 | liable | or some such |
| 12:10.26 | mickzz | jm_: is that a install parameter? |
| 12:10.28 | F-Lelo | tralala: I know, man! |
| 12:10.32 | F-Lelo | tralala: ignore case, I used it |
| 12:10.35 | ColonelKernel | where can I find my gnomemeeting config files? |
| 12:10.37 | liable | Guerin: ^^ :P |
| 12:10.40 | Guerin | i forgot about noatime, that might work |
| 12:10.42 | tarzeau | ColonelKernel: haha |
| 12:10.48 | thomas_adam | F-Lelo: Unless you have "http_proxy" defined, what makes you think it is using a proxy? |
| 12:10.50 | jm_ | mickzz: just like video=vga16:off |
| 12:10.57 | jm_ | it's a kernel parameter |
| 12:11.06 | doub | liable: i'll try that, thanks |
| 12:11.06 | mickzz | jm_: thnx, i'll try it! |
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| 12:11.14 | Guerin | ColonelKernel: gconf-editor is going to have to be your friend, sadly |
| 12:11.14 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: when I ran apt-get update it tries to get things from the proxy server and say he's not able to reach it |
| 12:11.37 | Guerin | creedence, even |
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| 12:11.38 | thomas_adam | F-Lelo: echo $http_proxy |
| 12:11.40 | liable | bastad |
| 12:11.43 | jonas_larson | hi all, moving from redhat to debian, how to do automatic installs from my laptop to server/desktop boxes? |
| 12:11.47 | ColonelKernel | tarzeau, whats funny? |
| 12:11.51 | Guerin | i just wish I was drinking bourbon and coke - it's be perfect |
| 12:11.54 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: fai? |
| 12:11.56 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: nothing |
| 12:11.57 | F-Lelo | :/ |
| 12:11.59 | liable | Guerin: beef or pork |
| 12:12.01 | jm_ | jonas_larson: you mean something similar to kickstart? |
| 12:12.03 | Guerin | liable: pork |
| 12:12.06 | tarzeau | ColonelKernel: you asking for gnome configuration files |
| 12:12.10 | jonas_larson | yepp! |
| 12:12.13 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: The new d-i does allow for non-interactive installs, too. |
| 12:12.19 | Guerin | liable: beef is too expensive in korea |
| 12:12.29 | liable | Guerin: dunno why I asked, I love em both :) |
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| 12:12.44 | thomas_adam | F-Lelo: Was that as user 'root', though? |
| 12:12.47 | jonas_larson | I heard about fai, autoinstall and d-i, which to choose? |
| 12:12.51 | tralala | F-Lelo: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf:Acquire::http::Proxy "http://cpdev2:8080"; (mine) |
| 12:12.59 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: sure :) |
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| 12:13.00 | Guerin | fai is supposedly the shit |
| 12:13.01 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: Read up on them -- fai is a little... terse. |
| 12:13.03 | tarzeau | jonas_larson: i haven't heard of autoinstall. we use dphys3 |
| 12:13.21 | Guerin | I've not used it, though. d-i with preseeding will still require you to boot each box with a cd in. |
| 12:13.32 | tralala | vladkao: if it's cyrillic it should better be in utf8 |
| 12:13.36 | CQ | dpkg truncates the help text for java-package, damnit... |
| 12:13.41 | F-Lelo | tralala: mine doesn't have it, tripled checked already! hehehe |
| 12:13.42 | CQ | how can I get the whole text? |
| 12:13.50 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: yes, as root |
| 12:13.54 | vladkao | tralala: it is and it is cp1251 |
| 12:13.55 | jonas_larson | my aim is pxe boot and no intervention at all from my point... |
| 12:13.55 | Guerin | jonas_larson: if they're identical hardware, rsync can be your friend |
| 12:13.59 | coreix|imran | coreix are recruiting full-time linux technicians to work onsite at a datacentre in london - salary 20-23k - pm me for more info or send cv to imran@coreix.net |
| 12:14.02 | Guerin | jonas_larson: or even similar |
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| 12:14.08 | thomas_adam | F-Lelo: then: http_proxy="" apt-get ..... |
| 12:14.19 | tralala | vladkao: I thought so, because it didn't display correctly |
| 12:14.34 | zcast | ahh dear. anyone know why sanes sane-find-scanner doesnt find anything? I have a usb lide20 plugged in, ive googled and all i get is all these people saying how wonderfully it works with sane |
| 12:14.37 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: still tries to reach for the proxy |
| 12:14.43 | F-Lelo | is this an apt bug??? |
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| 12:14.44 | thomas_adam | F-Lelo: Show me the output. |
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| 12:14.55 | Eulex | jm_: you could try VGA=771 |
| 12:14.55 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: it has valid IP addr. |
| 12:15.00 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: can I show you in private? |
| 12:15.03 | thomas_adam | F-Lelo: No. |
| 12:15.06 | jm_ | Eulex: why would I? |
| 12:15.08 | thomas_adam | F-Lelo: /msg dpkg paster |
| 12:15.10 | doub | zcast: [2c hint] is usb working properly? |
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| 12:15.23 | liable | oooh show your privates :) |
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| 12:15.40 | Eulex | jm_: sorry, wrong person |
| 12:15.48 | jonas_larson | is fai going to be around for a while or is something *newer* going to take over? |
| 12:15.49 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: alright... wait |
| 12:15.58 | thomas_adam | F-Lelo: In addition to that, I suggest you also supply the strace output: strace -o ~/aptget.output apt-get .... |
| 12:16.01 | Guerin | yay, flames++ |
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| 12:16.21 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: alright :) wait a min please |
| 12:16.24 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: Why? It's useable, just a little... terse. |
| 12:16.35 | liable | Guerin: wtf do you have your bbq next to your desktop? |
| 12:16.38 | zcast | doub: it is. my usb memory stick is detected fine. i get a little message coming up when im at tty1 and plug it in. when i plug in the scanner i get no such message - though the music does skip when i plug it in so i figure its at least noticing it a tiny bit |
| 12:16.45 | doub | jonas_larson: well, write it... besides, i've been told d-i allows for automated install |
| 12:17.14 | doub | zcast: look for your scanner in lsusb output |
| 12:17.15 | thomas_adam | !tell jonas_larson -about msg |
| 12:17.16 | paster | "F-Lelo" at 200.157.225.42 pasted "thomas_adam" (41 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/241 |
| 12:17.35 | doub | zcast: but i can't help with sane |
| 12:17.35 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: there... |
| 12:17.36 | liable | Guerin: or are you yelling instructions to your wife :P |
| 12:18.15 | lewis | Guerin: the return path of the spam e-mails is my domain. The secondary mail server tries to return the message, but can't, so gets stuck in a loop. |
| 12:18.16 | zcast | hmm, lsusb lists Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000, wheither its plugged in or not |
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| 12:18.37 | doub | zcast: that's your root usb hub |
| 12:18.37 | thomas_adam | F-Lelo: Do you have anything in /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/preferences, that might be setting a proxy -- indeed, have you ran a recursive grep for that IP address? |
| 12:19.08 | petemc | lewis: ive found secondary mx's to be more hassle then they're worth - you dont think you could fix any problem with the primary within 4 days? |
| 12:19.14 | thomas_adam | F-Lelo: I want to now see the strace output, too. |
| 12:19.21 | ethics | lewis so pipe the spam to null rather than back to your domain...you only want the good stuff the bad stuff should die no bounce needed |
| 12:19.22 | doub | zcast: is your scanner powered? |
| 12:19.23 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: aaaaaah!!! I found it, it is in the network routing script ://// |
| 12:19.34 | thomas_adam | F-Lelo: There you go, then. |
| 12:19.39 | zcast | its usb powered |
| 12:19.44 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: thanks for all your help, really! |
| 12:19.49 | bucky | redirect all spam to microsoft.com |
| 12:19.51 | thomas_adam | F-Lelo: Although I question how you're able to connect to here, that being the case. |
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| 12:20.05 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: I'm on a different machine |
| 12:20.05 | doub | zcast: well, maybe you plugged it on an unpowered usb socket |
| 12:20.10 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: with different gateway :) |
| 12:20.16 | lewis | petemc: ah... I see your point. |
| 12:20.25 | doub | zcast: or underpowered |
| 12:20.27 | zcast | hmm, lsusb lists pendrive fine. is there something else im missing? i looked at the kernel config and i saw nothing that screamed usb scanner. nah, its powered. was working in windows ;\ |
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| 12:20.36 | vladkao | tralala: can't use utf-8 because of unibg |
| 12:20.39 | lewis | petemc: do all mail servers try for 4 days though? |
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| 12:20.42 | thomas_adam | zcast: You want to do what with it? |
| 12:20.56 | petemc | lewis: unfortunately not all, but most |
| 12:20.57 | zcast | thomas_adam: i want to scan something. |
| 12:21.00 | ethics | zcast so dmesg said nothing at all? |
| 12:21.03 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: that box is in a datacenter, so it has it's own network it's own routing, etc.. |
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| 12:21.06 | F-Lelo | :) |
| 12:21.10 | thomas_adam | Uh huh. |
| 12:21.11 | petemc | lewis: and whats the chances of you needing all that time |
| 12:21.18 | renegad3 | :) |
| 12:21.19 | doub | zcast: if it doesnt appear in lsusb you have either some hw trouble, or an usb config problem |
| 12:21.29 | F-Lelo | thomas_adam: alright, thanks for your help :) |
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| 12:21.44 | lewis | then why do people have secondary MX servers at all? |
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| 12:22.01 | thomas_adam | lewis: Most don't. Some business do. |
| 12:22.02 | petemc | lewis: sentimental reasons |
| 12:22.12 | lewis | heh - because it 'sounds good'? |
| 12:22.22 | coreix|imran | Coreix are recruiting two full-time bsd/linux technicians to work onsite at a datacentre in stratford,london - salary 21-23k (dependant on experience) - pm me for more info or send cv to imran@coreix.net |
| 12:22.22 | jonas_larson | anybody else then thomas_adam has some input on autoinstall and preferebly 20 seconds to spare on why! they feel one is better then the other... |
| 12:22.26 | ethics | lewis as fallover in case the live disappears....other end doesnt notice a failure |
| 12:22.27 | zcast | well, as ive said it works in windows fine. and the usb port im plugging it into works fine, ahh dear me :/ ill google to see if others have had problems with usb scanners |
| 12:22.27 | jonas_larson | root@orcha:~ # apt-cache search autoinstall |
| 12:22.27 | jonas_larson | autoinstall - Debian auto-installation system |
| 12:22.39 | doub | lewis: maybe because the first might fail, and you don't want to loose mail. but that's just a guess |
| 12:22.46 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: You were told all you needed to know. Pick one, FFS, and use it. |
| 12:22.50 | petemc | doub: you shouldnt lose mail |
| 12:22.52 | zcast | [dmesg says nothing at all] |
| 12:22.53 | honschu | Help! I compiled my honnii-module as usual for a new kernel-release which was build by kpkg, but when I try to load it: insmod: error inserting 'honnii.ko': -1 Invalid module format |
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| 12:22.58 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: God forbid you should actually try _reading_ up on what the tools do. |
| 12:23.02 | lewis | doub: these guys are arguing that mail is retried for 4 days anyhow. |
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| 12:23.40 | ethics | lewis: the only people who run secondary mail servers are ISPs or hosters....thats because they could be receiving alot of mail and thus dont clog others outbounds... |
| 12:23.47 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: If you want my opinion, fai is OK, if a little terse. The d-i installer can probably also do what you want, at half the expense and frsutration of fai -- but I haven't tried it. |
| 12:23.49 | doub | lewis: well, suppose both fail, that's useful. but that's ressource hogging for the sending mail server, too |
| 12:23.50 | petemc | ethics: huh? |
| 12:23.54 | ethics | lewis : that need to |
| 12:23.58 | thomas_adam | FFS, jonas_larson STOP /MSG'ing ME. |
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| 12:24.31 | doub | lewis: and the 4 day is just a sendmail default, AFAIK. it depends on the sending MTA |
| 12:24.37 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, sorry to offend you, that is not why I'm here... |
| 12:24.46 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: I know -- but you were told once already not to. |
| 12:24.49 | petemc | doub: no, its the rfc specicied time |
| 12:25.03 | Guerin | liable: the kitchen is not far from the lounge, strangely |
| 12:25.05 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: So, pick one, try it, go read about it, do whatever... other than that, what is it you want? |
| 12:25.06 | lewis | is there any option I can set on the secondary MX server to stop the spam loopbacks? |
| 12:25.16 | lewis | I am using exim4, and am relaying messages for certain domains. |
| 12:25.20 | doub | lewis: detect spam and throw it |
| 12:25.22 | polytek | ++ |
| 12:25.23 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, well, I didn't know what you ment since I am new to x-chat |
| 12:25.24 | petemc | lewis: reject the spam outright, at delivery time |
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| 12:25.26 | Guerin | that was a successfull flamethrower mission: nothing which wasn't supposed to get burnt got burnt |
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| 12:25.37 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: So? That shouldn't infringe on your ability to read. |
| 12:25.51 | doub | petemc: my bad |
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| 12:26.35 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: Much less for you to understand what's being said to you. |
| 12:26.37 | lewis | petemc: I think the majority of it is denied at delivery time. Just looking through the secondary MX mail spools to see why those messages are there... |
| 12:26.56 | zcast | ill give it a try under knoppix perhaps :) |
| 12:27.01 | zcast | thanks for the help |
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| 12:27.30 | petemc | lewis: and what happens? the secondary tries to pass them on to the primary, and the primary rejects them? |
| 12:27.35 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, who might you be then? To have such strong language to spare? Please don't post anything on my questions, I'd rather talk to someone else... |
| 12:27.52 | xNinja | is there a solution a system or program to make a storage server with raid 3/5 |
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| 12:28.19 | xNinja | wich will give more options than normal system with raid ? |
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| 12:28.26 | lewis | petemc: well, it looks like the spam messages are for made up users, for mydomain.com. The messages in the secondary MX mail spools are 'mailer-daemon' messages, saying '550 unknown user'. |
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| 12:28.47 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: English is not your first language, is it? |
| 12:28.48 | doub | xNinja: your hands, your brains, and a little hw should be enough |
| 12:28.56 | doub | xNinja: well, and debian, of course |
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| 12:29.01 | xNinja | :) |
| 12:29.15 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, so? |
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| 12:29.33 | petemc | lewis: messy :) are you doing recipient verification? |
| 12:29.33 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, politeness isn't yours... |
| 12:29.44 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: So, what I have been saying to you is not 'strong' in any way. Redefine your question, but at the moment, what you're asking is too vague. |
| 12:30.04 | loocek | how to exact giving a minimum eight char password ? |
| 12:30.05 | lewis | petemc: in the primary MX exim4.conf I have the following (can you go to #flood - 4 lines long) |
| 12:30.07 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, thank you, I'll do that |
| 12:30.12 | vladkao | tralala: ready ? :-) |
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| 12:30.42 | lewis | should I perhaps change the 'accept' to 'deny'? I don't understand why it says 'accept' for unknown users. |
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| 12:30.58 | petemc | lewis: that looks ok |
| 12:31.04 | tralala | vladkao: úõú :) |
| 12:31.07 | loocek | ? |
| 12:31.08 | petemc | lewis: and on the secondary? |
| 12:31.29 | lewis | the same. |
| 12:31.32 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, I would like to have a pxe capable automatic install server with no intervention from me and have several configurations to choose from at bootup |
| 12:31.43 | donpablo | i can unmount my cdrom the user of my cdrom is gam_server |
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| 12:31.55 | donpablo | how can i resolve this issue |
| 12:31.57 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: Right. Then fai, autoinstall, and the d-i can all do that. |
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| 12:32.15 | petemc | lewis: im not quite sure what to tell you, other than to lose the secondary, tho i dare say your problem could be worked around for now |
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| 12:32.18 | jharrisonwk | yyaaa canada has DMCA style copywrite law now |
| 12:32.33 | loocek | how to turn on giving a 8 chars password ? |
| 12:32.45 | loocek | minimum |
| 12:32.57 | lewis | petemc: are there any details I could give you from the secondary mail spool, which would help clarify my issue? |
| 12:33.04 | ix | I did not understand that sentence, loocek |
| 12:33.36 | jm_ | loocek: pam config files |
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| 12:33.40 | doub | loocek: you'll have to set up pam for it, i guess |
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| 12:33.56 | petemc | lewis: you could accept all mail from the seconday to the primary, then /dev/null - not perfect, but it would stop the loops |
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| 12:34.33 | lewis | how about... ignore all mail coming from the primary, to the seconday? |
| 12:34.34 | ColonelKernel | Device 'vesafb0' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed. |
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| 12:34.49 | ColonelKernel | ouch |
| 12:35.00 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, well, that I know already... Which one is mostly used, and which one is more lightly to be around for a long time... I know that the Ubuntu team has a working kickstart thing going on and one of the 4 should probably be the *best* one... |
| 12:35.03 | lewis | add ignore_hosts or something, and put the IP address of the primary machine, in the exim4.conf of the secondary MX server. |
| 12:35.13 | vladkao | tralala: àì ÷å çäðàñòè :-) |
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| 12:35.38 | doub | lewis: why does the primary mail server sends mail to the second in the first place? |
| 12:35.40 | BlackNet | what's the lilo key to booting a /dev/ataraid hardward card under sarge? |
| 12:35.46 | doub | lewis: shouldn't it be one way only? |
| 12:35.59 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: All of them will be around for a while -- it's not a question of them being "phased out". As to which one is the best, I can;'t answer that -- unless I know what you mean by "best". And even then, that would just be my opinion. |
| 12:35.59 | lewis | that is what I am confused about too. |
| 12:36.14 | lewis | the messages in the mail spool are regarding unknown users. |
| 12:36.20 | jm_ | autoinstall is no longer in Sarge, do don't bet on it |
| 12:36.20 | petemc | lewis: ahh, i missed that.. |
| 12:36.39 | tralala | vladkao: æèâî, çäðàâî :î) |
| 12:36.41 | lewis | petemc: the part about unknown users? |
| 12:36.47 | doub | lewis: maybe your anti-spam stuff on the first refuse (SMTP reject) mail, so the second one is tried |
| 12:36.56 | petemc | lewis: no, mail going from primary to secondary |
| 12:37.13 | doub | lewis: which tries to send back to the first, as it's ordered to, but the first still rejects spam |
| 12:37.19 | jonas_larson | jm_, what's your bet on the issue, fai? |
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| 12:37.35 | jm_ | jonas_larson: I have no experience with either, I have only used kickstart |
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| 12:37.46 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, btw, thanks for your input! |
| 12:37.48 | psf | little question about packages listed in (http://www.debian.org/devel/people): what means the asterisk in some packages? |
| 12:37.52 | doub | lewis: thus creating a loop |
| 12:38.00 | lewis | doub: yeh - that could be it |
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| 12:38.07 | ethics | was anyone looking for information on centrino speedstep stuff? |
| 12:38.07 | petemc | lewis: i stopped using secondaries a long time ago, and this morning ive been reminded why - good luck :) |
| 12:38.10 | doub | lewis: if that's what happens, you should apply the same anti-spam system on both |
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| 12:38.40 | cast | well, good news is scanner worked great. lsusb listed it in knoppix, too |
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| 12:38.51 | lewis | but, if the deal is with unknown users.... the user would exist on one server, but not the other... |
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| 12:39.00 | Eulex | ethics: I have centrino speedstep working on this computer, which is a sonoma |
| 12:39.01 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: The problem you have is that al;l of the tools wil do what you want. Is there anything further you can add to your scenario that would perhaps make things more specific? That way, there might be one tool better for another job. |
| 12:39.24 | doub | lewis: isn't your second one supposed to just be a backup server? thus being identical to the first? |
| 12:39.57 | ethics | eulex i think is was the dothans i was talking about with someone a few days back |
| 12:40.05 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, I only have kickstart as a referens, so adding my own scripts in a "post" section of the install is something I would like to do... |
| 12:40.06 | lewis | doub: the secondary mail server is meant to forward all mail to the primary mail server. if the primary mail server goes down, the second one is used. the second one will keep trying to send mail to the primary, until the primary is up again. |
| 12:40.07 | lewis | that is the idea. |
| 12:40.09 | Eulex | ethics: on kernel 2.6.11, modprobe acpi-cpufreq and cpufreq-userspace, then run something like powernowd |
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| 12:40.36 | ColonelKernel | how can I get my logitech quickcam working in sarge? |
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| 12:40.44 | Eulex | ethics: on kernel 2.6.8, do that too, but modprobe speedstep-centrino instead of acpi-cpufreq |
| 12:40.53 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: fai definitely lets you do that. |
| 12:41.03 | doub | lewis: of course, got that. so both should have the same configuration, except for the backup->primary rule, and same users, right? |
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| 12:41.59 | Eulex | ethics: should work on a dothan |
| 12:42.04 | lewis | doub: the exim4 on the primary has virus checking, spamassasin, and exim4-daemon-heavy (or similar). the exim4 on the secondary doesn't have this. |
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| 12:42.25 | cast | i suppose ill compile a new kernel and see if that fixes it, for want of better ideas |
| 12:42.39 | doub | lewis: it should, as it seems to be the reason for your problem |
| 12:42.46 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, I'll give you a scenario: I would like to create a bootable DVD with a full debian install and also an oracle tarball that I would like to un-tar + some additional scripts... |
| 12:42.50 | lewis | doub: the e-mails that are causing the problem at the moment are about unknown users. even with spam/virus checking, the second will still forward the e-mails. |
| 12:42.58 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, not a live-cd... |
| 12:43.10 | doub | lewis: try sending spam manually to see if my hypothesis proves true |
| 12:43.13 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: Hmm, that's not the same as a non-interactive install. |
| 12:43.25 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, well it's a spinoff... |
| 12:43.38 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: But it changes your question entirely. |
| 12:43.52 | lewis | doub: why not just have the 2nd mail server reject all responses from the 1st? |
| 12:43.53 | doub | lewis: if the primary issues an SMTP deny, then that's the answer to your problem |
| 12:44.00 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, same question from pxe/web server? |
| 12:44.05 | ethics | eulex it didnt in pristines from 2.6.9 onward tho apparently...we were using ubuntu patches on our laptops but then the patch stopped fitting |
| 12:44.15 | lewis | doub: sorry, I am slightly confused, what did you mean by your last statment? |
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| 12:44.30 | ethics | it was a while back i swapped off debian on the lappy .. |
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| 12:44.40 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, i.e. getting a tar ball (wget I suppose) and un-tar:ing... |
| 12:45.27 | doub | lewis: there are 2 kinds of undeliverable messages : the ones refused when sending, when the sending MTA connects to the reciever, and a second one when the MAILER-DAEMON advertises an impossible delivery |
| 12:45.57 | doub | lewis: if your primary MTA rejects spam directly at the SMTP level, the second one will automagically be tried |
| 12:46.07 | Eulex | ethics: you mean the patch mentioned on http://tuxmobil.org/centrino.html? |
| 12:46.22 | doub | lewis: if the second one doesn't refuse spam then, it will try to send back to the first |
| 12:46.31 | doub | lewis: which will fail again for the same reason |
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| 12:46.45 | doub | lewis: so the secondary will end up sending the spam to itself |
| 12:46.57 | lewis | processing... |
| 12:46.58 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, does the tftp server provide a kernel and initrd, then the kernel has an argument on where to get it's config file i.e. preseed=http://somewhere/client.cfg or simular... |
| 12:47.42 | lewis | ok - i will add the same virus/spam checks to both mail servers. what happens in the following situation though: |
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| 12:48.12 | jonas_larson | thomas_adam, I know I'm a bit un-structured, but I'm coming from the *wonderful* world of kickstart and have no other referens... |
| 12:48.28 | thomas_adam | jonas_larson: It's OK. |
| 12:48.57 | petemc | jonas_larson: http://hands.com/d-i/ |
| 12:48.58 | directhex|work | jonas_larson, sounds like you want to either make a custom D-I, or use FAI |
| 12:49.01 | c0al | Any one know how to disable prelinking in debian ? i've been googling and 'locate prelink' returns nothing.. ? |
| 12:49.13 | lewis | spam sent to asdf@mydomain.com (made-up address). it fails on the primary (unknown user). it attempts the secondary. secondary processes it to the primary. primary fails it again (unknown user). secondary not sure what to do, as the message has a return path of another made up e-mail address (on the same domain). |
| 12:49.20 | directhex|work | c0al, debian doesn't use prelinking unless you enabled it |
| 12:49.38 | c0al | Hmm, odd. okay thanks. |
| 12:49.41 | directhex|work | ethics, dothan speedstep-centrino patch? |
| 12:49.43 | petemc | lewis: why does the secondary process it to the primary? |
| 12:50.11 | lewis | petemc: that is what it is designed to do - send all messages for particular domains to the primary. |
| 12:50.12 | lewis | doub: the above appears to be what is happening now, with a Mailer-Daemon message sent out to itself (or looped I guess). |
| 12:50.23 | petemc | lewis: whats the point of that? |
| 12:50.42 | doub | lewis: so you should only re-route mail second->primary if the message is proved non-spam |
| 12:50.46 | petemc | lewis: bear in mind i understand the concept of store and forward... |
| 12:50.53 | lewis | petemc: so that if the primary is down, the secondary is used. it keeps trying to send to the primary, until the primary is up again. |
| 12:51.31 | petemc | lewis: well, as has been pointed out, and what i thought was obvious, your machines need to be in sync wrt users and spam checks |
| 12:51.45 | jonas_larson | petemc, thanks! |
| 12:51.53 | petemc | jonas_larson: thank phil hands |
| 12:52.12 | doub | lewis: all settings should be identical on both, except for the sec->primary rule, as i told you |
| 12:52.26 | petemc | sec->primary rule |
| 12:52.26 | lewis | petemc: so, there is no way to do it, without recreating ALL the users on the secondary mail server? (perhaps having a list of valid e-mail addresses to lsearch through) |
| 12:52.27 | petemc | ? |
| 12:52.37 | petemc | there shouldnt be one, exim can tell if its a secondary on its own |
| 12:53.03 | lewis | petemc: er - how? |
| 12:53.14 | petemc | lewis: you'll have to duplicate, i mean, you could suggest call outs, but you cant do a call out to a box thats downb |
| 12:53.22 | petemc | lewis: exim is smart |
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| 12:53.36 | doub | lewis: i guess with the MX dns records |
| 12:53.49 | doub | lewis: and precedence levels associated with them |
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| 12:54.15 | lewis | petemc: i could add a list of valid e-mail addresses to a text file, on the secondary mail server, for it to 'sift' through on every mail that it sees. |
| 12:54.23 | petemc | lewis: you could |
| 12:54.47 | jonas_larson | petemc, will do! |
| 12:54.47 | doub | lewis: why not copy your passwd and shadow files to the second? |
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| 12:55.20 | doub | lewis: or whatever is your valid user list on the primary |
| 12:55.23 | lewis | what about DNS server companies, like ZoneEdit where they offer 'backup mail services' - where they promise to hold all mail for 10 days, then attempt thereafter - any views on those? |
| 12:55.56 | lewis | doub: I guess I could, but I was trying to keep things to a minimal with the backup mail server, as it would rarely be used. I was just trying to have exim running, with small configurations... |
| 12:56.05 | petemc | lewis: dont know what their setup is, lots of companies offer that, you could pay me to handle your mail for you... |
| 12:56.05 | hail04 | bye everyone, have a good week |
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| 12:57.00 | doub | lewis: obviously that's more of a problem to have different configs than to simply duplicate |
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| 12:57.07 | Coke | petemc: can I pay you to handle my work? |
| 12:57.19 | petemc | Coke: depends on what your work is :0 |
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| 12:57.48 | doub | lewis: even if that would lower performance, the backup MTA should not be used in usual times |
| 12:57.54 | Coke | petemc: the software development of modern times; building and maintaining broken web applications. |
| 12:58.00 | petemc | spammers send to secondary mx's on purpose |
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| 12:58.08 | petemc | Coke: then no :) |
| 12:58.08 | jm_ | ahh, I was hoping it's related to big titted blonde Helgas |
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| 12:58.18 | Coke | sorry, jm_ |
| 12:58.29 | lewis | doub: i guess, but spamd/clam processes would be running in the background. Also, new users would have to be updated on the 2nd mail server each time a new one was added. |
| 12:58.39 | ethics | directhex|work, yeah...what was the last you had patch wise? the 6 stepping mask? |
| 12:58.45 | Coke | although the women who work here are both beautiful and intelligent. they are also married or preoccupied with equally attractive men, so... |
| 12:58.57 | doub | lewis: use a networked user database, such as LDAP then |
| 12:59.03 | petemc | lewis: right, its a pita, and spammers exploit this - do yourself a favour, lose the secondary :) |
| 12:59.03 | directhex|work | ethics, one i found on the ubuntu forums. it stopped applying to debian kernel sources, though |
| 12:59.19 | doub | lewis: or NIS, but it's old and insecure, AFAIK |
| 12:59.28 | lewis | petemc: yeh, I am tempted to ditch the secondary, and if needed use ZoneEdit's services for $6 per year (per domain) |
| 12:59.40 | directhex|work | ethics, http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=601 |
| 12:59.48 | petemc | lewis: $6 per year? you get what you pay for... |
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| 13:00.07 | ethics | directhex|work, yeah it just lookslike its in all the kernels atm but the sepping 6 stuff isnt in there...im just abotu to look at the 2.6.11 source and such but the 2.6.9 had alot of changes to it recarding it |
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| 13:00.11 | Coke | petemc: did I mention you'll get to use _the_latest_in_programming_technology_, it's called "Java" and it looks like a mix between ANSI-C and Basic, but with less structure. |
| 13:00.17 | lewis | doub: how about just setting postmaster to null, (i.e. no delivery failure messages) |
| 13:00.29 | petemc | Coke: but its write once, run everywhere tho, isnt it |
| 13:00.32 | directhex|work | ethics, upstream 2.6.11 doesn't support my dothan. perhaps 2.6.12 does |
| 13:00.43 | Coke | petemc: more like "write once, debug forever" |
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| 13:00.46 | petemc | lewis: dont do that, that breaks the rfcs |
| 13:01.04 | lewis | petemc: bad practice or illegal? |
| 13:01.09 | doub | lewis: you can also do as your backup mx provider would : accept all mail for your domain, and try to relay it to the primary |
| 13:01.10 | Coke | petemc: also, Java code isn't even compatible between minor release versions sometimes. |
| 13:01.12 | petemc | lewis: actually, if you bin them its ok, you just have to accept them |
| 13:01.13 | tarzeau | if you want some colourful and funny console (textmode only), try: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/vga/vgafun.c |
| 13:01.15 | Thor- | after upgrading to sarge I get this warning when I run logcheck from crontab "su -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/sbin/logcheck [options]" logcheck" |
| 13:01.28 | petemc | Coke: i look after tomcat servers, i know enough about it to not like it |
| 13:01.30 | Thor- | what is the differense in running it as root and with su -s? |
| 13:01.37 | Coke | petemc: good boy |
| 13:01.40 | lewis | doub: isn't that what exim is set to do at the moment? |
| 13:01.45 | ethics | directhex|work, ahh kk well i think according to what im reading that the actual code is there but you need to add the new processor mask for stepping 6.... |
| 13:01.50 | jm_ | -s just runs it using given shell |
| 13:01.50 | Coke | petemc: you sound like our server guys. :) |
| 13:01.52 | doub | lewis: i don't know your setup |
| 13:01.52 | Thor- | since I run su -s as root I would still inwoke logcheck as root= |
| 13:01.53 | Thor- | ? |
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| 13:02.34 | lewis | doub: my exim4 on secondary MX routes all messages for particular domains to the primary host. you just said: "accept all mail for your domain, and try to relay it to the primary" - that is the same thing, isn't it |
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| 13:02.48 | ethics | directhex|work, join flood a sec and ill show you what i found see if you recognize it.. |
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| 13:03.03 | naghtan | hello |
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| 13:03.13 | lewis | doub: by the way, thank you for your patience in explaining this to me, appreciated. |
| 13:03.16 | takatumi_ | !greetings |
| 13:03.17 | dpkg | hello, takatumi_ |
| 13:03.18 | doub | lewis: well, there's something screwed up then, your secondary shouldn't accept mail that's been refused by the first |
| 13:03.23 | naghtan | Some body can help me with a install of new Debian? and a problem with SD_mod? |
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| 13:03.33 | tarzeau | takatumi: moo |
| 13:03.42 | takatumi | tarzeau: bubbles! |
| 13:03.50 | lewis | doub: it isn't accepting mail, it is generating mail failure messages, and those are in a loop. |
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| 13:04.00 | tarzeau | takatumi: nah i'm at work. but try this: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/vga/vgafun.c |
| 13:04.01 | naghtan | Any spanish? |
| 13:04.04 | tarzeau | !es |
| 13:04.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:04.32 | doub | lewis: then maybe your spam filtering goes wrong somewhere |
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| 13:04.43 | takatumi | tarzeau: what should I open that file with? |
| 13:04.46 | doub | lewis: but i have to go anyway |
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| 13:04.53 | lewis | doub: thanks - have a good day |
| 13:04.55 | tarzeau | takatumi: gcc thefile.c -o thefile -lm |
| 13:04.57 | doub | lewis: good luck |
| 13:05.09 | tarzeau | takatumi: ./thefile (as root) |
| 13:05.54 | lewis | petemc: how about changing 'freeze_tell = postmaster' to 'freeze_tell =' - so no mail failure messages, and then somehow setting in exim4 to delete all frozen messages after 2 days? |
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| 13:07.13 | ColonelKernel | im trying to install the quickcam driver - it doesnt seem to want to load |
| 13:07.22 | takatumi | tarzeau: purdy! |
| 13:07.31 | tarzeau | takatumi: you tried it, in textmode? |
| 13:07.32 | naghtan | :(( somebody can help me? |
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| 13:07.41 | tarzeau | takatumi: run it in background, it's really cool, no? |
| 13:08.08 | tralala | tarzeau: well, it works :) |
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| 13:08.27 | tralala | naghtan: not, until you describe your problem |
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| 13:09.02 | takatumi | tarzeau: text mode doesn't have any noticeable effect, but in uxterm in ion3 psychedelic. |
| 13:09.11 | tarzeau | tralala: compile it with vgaonoff.c :) and you get a rainbow colored stroboscope |
| 13:09.20 | tarzeau | takatumi: you run x in 8bpp ? |
| 13:09.41 | tarzeau | takatumi: your textmode is framebuffer or real text mode? |
| 13:09.41 | wintix | what minipci wlan device works good with debian? |
| 13:10.02 | naghtan | tralala when I start the install, when is loading the mods and mount the CD.roms, it get freeze when load Sd_mod... it said is SCSI Unit Detect |
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| 13:10.19 | naghtan | I disconnect my SCSI Card, and still try load that modul |
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| 13:10.53 | FieldySnuts | @poop |
| 13:11.13 | tralala | tarzeau: :) |
| 13:11.54 | tarzeau | tralala: arf, bad tab completion |
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| 13:12.14 | paulswm | !poop FieldySnuts |
| 13:12.22 | paulswm | :P |
| 13:13.00 | naghtan | why try load Sd_Mod if I disconnect my SCSI card? why Try load SD_mod if my scasi card ahve other module for it? |
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| 13:13.22 | jm_ | sd_mod is a generic module for all SCSI disks |
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| 13:14.09 | naghtan | jm_ I htink that with the label of module, but why It get freeze wit hit? I never had a problem with my scsi card... is a normal old adaptec card |
| 13:14.27 | naghtan | and even on Expert mode, I can't remove for it load... :(( |
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| 13:14.31 | naghtan | I want install debiannnnnnnnn |
| 13:14.48 | ethics | !irritate naghtan |
| 13:14.49 | dpkg | naghtan: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx |
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| 13:15.01 | jm_ | naghtan: it's probably not sd_mod causing it, but something else |
| 13:15.16 | takatumi | tarzeau: http://gpoppy.org/xdpyinfo textmode is vga framebuffer. very high cpu load with vgafun, it works though. |
| 13:15.43 | takatumi | !gangasmite paulswm |
| 13:15.46 | tarzeau | takatumi: vga framebuffer is not textmode, run vgamode.c and see |
| 13:15.54 | naghtan | but I think is just start not so load still or doing... |
| 13:15.58 | ethics | hah heres one weve seen recently glad to see a patch [PATCH] radeonfb: don't blow up VGA console on load |
| 13:16.03 | takatumi | paulswm: well you get the idea. :P |
| 13:16.03 | tarzeau | takatumi: the vga cards can run in textmode (video memory addressing special) or graphic mode |
| 13:16.20 | naghtan | but I think in that moent graphic mode still not eneble... |
| 13:16.21 | takatumi | tarzeau: it's a radeon igp340 suckage. |
| 13:16.23 | shorty_ | can one rsync via ftp? |
| 13:16.35 | chrysopa | How the DPI auto detection is made? |
| 13:16.55 | tarzeau | takatumi: it certainly can run in real textmode |
| 13:17.00 | tarzeau | takatumi: you just have to tell your kernel |
| 13:17.03 | jm_ | chrysopa: it's calculated from your resolution and the size of your screen |
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| 13:17.50 | Illusia | Wow what a lively bunch hehe |
| 13:17.57 | takatumi | tarzeau: trust me I tried with many kernels, if you can enlighten me further, I'll buy you an ice cream. |
| 13:18.04 | chrysopa | jm_, But, why two desktop with the same resolution and screen size get different DPI resolution? |
| 13:18.08 | naghtan | jm_ what u think I can fix it? |
| 13:18.19 | jm_ | naghtan: to be honest I don't know |
| 13:18.22 | tarzeau | takatumi: it's a kernel parameter, i just don't remember |
| 13:18.30 | FieldySnuts | !smite Illusia |
| 13:18.32 | tarzeau | takatumi: look when you start the computer, it usually runs in textmode |
| 13:18.34 | jm_ | chrysopa: ahh then it has been manually overriden perhaps |
| 13:18.43 | naghtan | jm_ pray to TUX? |
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| 13:18.45 | naghtan | hahaha |
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| 13:19.05 | FieldySnuts | splat |
| 13:19.19 | chrysopa | jm_, Yes, I made it in gdm.conf, -dpi 100. It work. |
| 13:19.29 | naghtan | well it seem IS imposible... bye |
| 13:19.31 | jm_ | naghtan: no, you can find out which modules causes it |
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| 13:19.46 | takatumi | tarzeau: is it an ati related option? |
| 13:19.48 | jm_ | chrysopa: so that's not exactly auto detection, is it? |
| 13:20.04 | chrysopa | jm_, But I have some stations in a ltsp system, and I cant force the resolution on these estations |
| 13:20.18 | ethics | does anyine remember someone asking what the limit on usb devices was? |
| 13:20.25 | chrysopa | I cant find the config file to modifie |
| 13:20.32 | tarzeau | takatumi: no general one |
| 13:20.36 | ethics | dont know if it was a regular |
| 13:20.47 | jm_ | chrysopa: bah, DisplaySize in XF86Config-4 |
| 13:20.51 | Illusia | Man this channel is awesome....sooo what version is best recommended (Debian release) to replace my Mandrake Server.... |
| 13:20.56 | takatumi | tarzeau: without framebuffer all I get is a blank screen after the grub menu, it boots but no text is displayed on the screen, I can log in and reboot in the dark. |
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| 13:21.11 | chrysopa | jm_, I go try it |
| 13:21.23 | jm_ | takatumi: then it lacks support for VGA console |
| 13:21.29 | DarkLife | .cl |
| 13:21.47 | ethics | Illusia, most people would run stable then upgrade to testing/etch thats the one getting updated atm for next release |
| 13:21.53 | takatumi | jm_: that's what I figured, but tarzeau says it can. |
| 13:22.02 | Illusia | kk tnx |
| 13:22.07 | tarzeau | takatumi: but grub runs in textmode, doesn't it? |
| 13:22.19 | tarzeau | takatumi: i've never seen a vga card that can't run textmode |
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| 13:22.41 | doojin | hahahahahahahahaha |
| 13:22.41 | ethics | Illusia, servers run stable normally testing for the desktops but its all up to you...you cant downgrade but you can go up |
| 13:22.43 | jm_ | takatumi: I meant your kernel, not the card :P |
| 13:23.02 | doojin | the problem was my cdrom driver got error |
| 13:23.13 | doojin | my cdrom drive can't read any cd |
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| 13:23.22 | doojin | Isn't it funny? |
| 13:23.25 | Illusia | Sounds good....I've know gael (Mandrake) since he started...but man I get fed up with the upgrade ball and chain..... |
| 13:23.28 | doojin | It was not the problem of writer |
| 13:23.28 | bucky | Illusia, get sarge.. it has security updates http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 13:23.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | are the Debian mailing lists at lists.Debian.org? or similar? |
| 13:24.14 | bucky | Kamping_Kaiser, there's a link from debian.org |
| 13:24.16 | Illusia | I've been hung up on all those freak distros for sooo long....it's like I been ice diving and found an air pocket with debian how nice |
| 13:24.17 | petemc | Kamping_Kaiser: surely its easier to put that into a browser than ask here |
| 13:24.22 | petemc | less typing, anyway |
| 13:24.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | k |
| 13:24.25 | doojin | hahahahaha |
| 13:24.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | depends where it is ;) |
| 13:24.28 | doojin | very funny |
| 13:24.28 | takatumi | jm_: CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT? |
| 13:24.31 | FieldySnuts | !win Illusia |
| 13:24.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, Illusia! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
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| 13:24.40 | doojin | I can concentrate on installing debian again |
| 13:24.55 | chrysopa | jm_, I put it in monitor section? |
| 13:25.00 | jm_ | takatumi: no CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y |
| 13:25.19 | jm_ | chrysopa: what does man XF86Config-4 say? |
| 13:25.29 | Eulex | takatumi, I had a problem on this computer with text mode, d-i setup interface wouldn't display correctly -- solution was to add VGA=771 |
| 13:25.57 | takatumi | jm_: CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y |
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| 13:26.23 | chrysopa | setup the area of monitor. therefore I presume that is in the monitor section. YES? |
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| 13:26.41 | jm_ | takatumi: so you have it then |
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| 13:26.53 | takatumi | Eulex: try vga=791 or 792 to kick it up a few. |
| 13:26.55 | Illusia | It's like religion and lost souls....heheh....yah see that interview with Torvalds..where he said if bsd hadn't been in the middle of the lawsuit he would have never written Linux....LOL |
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| 13:27.34 | Illusia | that bout says it all |
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| 13:28.47 | Eulex | takatumi: I know... |
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| 13:30.46 | Ekaterin | I just asked dpkg (the bot) about logcheck, but it didn't reply - is this normal? |
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| 13:30.58 | jm_ | yes |
| 13:31.06 | Eulex | Ekaterin, if he doesn't know, he won't reply |
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| 13:31.48 | bucky | Ekaterin, apt-cache show logcheck |
| 13:32.16 | bucky | dpkg you are moron #698 |
| 13:32.16 | dpkg | bucky: what are you talking about? |
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| 13:33.01 | nse | I have etch and sid urls in my sources.list, how to know, using the apt-cache policy tool, the version number avaliable in the different versions (etch and sid)? |
| 13:33.31 | Ekaterin | Since I upgraded to sarge, logcheck has started giving messages that it should not be run as root. What is the currently approved way to run it regularly? |
| 13:33.32 | Eulex | nse: apt-cache show package? |
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| 13:35.20 | takatumi | tarzeau: I probably need the ati drivers, the problem is they don't support IGP cards. |
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| 13:35.49 | takatumi | or s/cards/chips |
| 13:36.04 | FAlco88 | salve |
| 13:36.07 | FAlco88 | qualche italiano? |
| 13:36.09 | lewis | how you disable exim delivery failure messages? |
| 13:36.14 | nse | Eulex: no, this just gives me one version number, probably from etch.. |
| 13:36.20 | ethics | directhex|work, would you know your cpuid by chance? |
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| 13:37.26 | takatumi | nse: try packages.debian.org/<package> |
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| 13:37.28 | nomad_cz | Hi. Could anyone tell me whether he is still able to access shared folder like \\server\share%user with Samba 3.0.14a (Sarge) ? Thanks a lot. |
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| 13:38.18 | FAlco88 | I'm italian |
| 13:38.19 | FAlco88 | :\ |
| 13:38.24 | jethro | !it |
| 13:38.24 | dpkg | it has been said that italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 13:38.25 | bucky | Ekaterin, did you do a dist-upgrade with aptitude? |
| 13:38.38 | bucky | how did you upgrade? |
| 13:38.47 | Ekaterin | I used dselect - does that matter? |
| 13:38.52 | takatumi | nse: or /msg dpkg info <package> testing |
| 13:39.12 | chrysopa | jm_, It works, thanks |
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| 13:39.20 | jm_ | chrysopa: enjoy |
| 13:39.42 | c0al | Any one using cedega on debian? any workarounds for error=21? i've tried all i could find in the cedega forums (and i've asked in #cedega) |
| 13:39.55 | takatumi | c0al: try #cedega |
| 13:40.06 | VoX | heh |
| 13:40.09 | bucky | Ekaterin, aptitude was the way the release notes said... i'd apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:40.13 | jm_ | takatumi: it downloads Packages.gz files for all distributions and then finds the info in there |
| 13:40.28 | takatumi | jm_: with which command? |
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| 13:41.05 | c0al | takatumi, not to be a dick, but that's why i said (and i've asked in #cedega) in the above line. i'm more asking out of desperation, that maybe some one else has found some kind of work around that i've missed. |
| 13:41.08 | jm_ | takatumi: info/find/whatever will download it when needed (you can configure this in its config file - I think it just has an age setting) |
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| 13:41.24 | takatumi | jm_: ah, ok. |
| 13:41.52 | takatumi | c0al: honestly I missed your mention of #cedega :) |
| 13:42.12 | ethics | c0al, : there were only a couple of cedega used frequent debian...no ide whom tho off the top of my head... |
| 13:42.23 | bucky | c0al, is this the problem http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/33/2004/10/1/238226 |
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| 13:42.40 | ethics | c0al, and most of the time they end up at #cedega also hehe |
| 13:42.55 | FieldySnuts | !lart the other admin for fucking with my cron jobs |
| 13:43.17 | bucky | !fuck FieldySnuts |
| 13:43.23 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite bucky |
| 13:43.24 | ravenbird | bucky: cheerio mate |
| 13:43.25 | FieldySnuts | done |
| 13:43.43 | bucky | you liked that didn't you :P |
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| 13:43.48 | Ekaterin | bucky: OK, I just did and nothing happened (0 packages upgraded...) FWIW, I prefer dselect because it lets *you* decide what to do about dependency problems. |
| 13:43.53 | FieldySnuts | only because it was a badger |
| 13:43.55 | c0al | bucky, that isn't the prob., but thanks. :) |
| 13:44.09 | Gozar | Hi. How do I reconfigure exim4? dpkg-reconfigure exim4 don't prompt with the configure menu? |
| 13:44.20 | asg | Gozar: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 13:44.52 | bucky | c0al, do you have the 'exec' option in your /etc/fstab entry for that partition/drive ? |
| 13:44.53 | takatumi | asg! |
| 13:45.07 | asg | takatumi: hiya |
| 13:45.10 | Gozar | asg. Thanks |
| 13:45.20 | c0al | bucky, ya. i've tried every workaround in the transgaming forums for error=21 |
| 13:45.37 | c0al | I'm starting to think theres just gonna be no Ultima Online for me :) |
| 13:45.47 | Illusia | whoa Ultima Online /?? |
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| 13:46.06 | takatumi | c0al: try repeating the question when directhex|work is around maybe. |
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| 13:46.16 | bucky | c0al, which kernel are you using? |
| 13:46.21 | Illusia | i've run UO with winex |
| 13:46.24 | c0al | Illusia, yeah some friends of mine started playing again so im gonna start back up too :) |
| 13:46.30 | Illusia | not recently....though |
| 13:46.31 | c0al | bucky, 2.6.8 |
| 13:46.53 | Illusia | I been playing that since Feb 98 (companion) |
| 13:46.54 | c0al | bucky, but it doesn't have the legacy_va option |
| 13:47.23 | c0al | takatumi, thanks :) i'll do that |
| 13:47.34 | Illusia | I beta'd UO under transgaming when they first started...hehe |
| 13:47.56 | nse | ok I have an announcement here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/06/msg01347.html saying that this package electricsheep 2.6.2 is in sid. But searching informations about it in here http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=electricsheep that's not what seems to be.. so.. what's up!? |
| 13:47.58 | Gozar | If I choice no to split files in exim4, I still have split files in /etc/exim4/conf.d/ Where is the one big config file for exim4? |
| 13:47.58 | Illusia | worked great but not uoa |
| 13:48.04 | c0al | hehe. i've ran it under winex before a couple years ago - it was under redhat at the time though |
| 13:48.18 | petemc | Gozar: exim -bV |
| 13:48.35 | takatumi | !info electricsheep |
| 13:48.38 | dpkg | electricsheep: (Screensaver showing collective dream of sleeping computers), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 415 kB, Installed size: 884 kB |
| 13:48.38 | Illusia | yeah same here a couple of yrs ago..under mdk |
| 13:48.43 | jm_ | nse: it's on incoming.d.o |
| 13:48.47 | bucky | nse, apt-cache search electricsheep |
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| 13:49.20 | nse | and what about the announcement that it's into sid? |
| 13:49.29 | jm_ | it will get into sid from there |
| 13:49.35 | jm_ | /msg dpkg incoming |
| 13:49.49 | Gozar | petemc: Thanks. Mutch have aparrentley changed from exim3 |
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| 13:50.59 | Illusia | Are there any channels with real people not bots that could help me with some irc basics (nick regist...etc...) |
| 13:51.26 | jm_ | /msg nickserv help register ; /msg nickserv help identify ... |
| 13:51.28 | capu | can anyone help me unzip a *.rar? I used apt-get unrar (free), and got that... but I still cant figure out how to USE it... I did an apt-cache search on "rar", which found over 1000 results... can someone tell me the apt- files I actually NEED to get? I'm on sid, if that matters |
| 13:51.29 | asg | Illusia: /msg nickserv help |
| 13:51.33 | ethics | Illusia, /msg nickserv help register |
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| 13:51.55 | c0al | capu, usually unrar e filename.rar |
| 13:51.58 | Illusia | tnx but i think ole nickserv is as bot as ya can get lol |
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| 13:52.19 | ethics | capu : unrar-free -x filename isnt it? |
| 13:52.20 | capu | c0al, i tried that, but bash is telling me unrar isn't a known command |
| 13:52.21 | F-Lelo | is 'iptables -L' enough to record all the rules there is on the firewall? |
| 13:52.22 | bucky | Illusia, /quit |
| 13:52.36 | ethics | unrar-free |
| 13:52.39 | capu | Ether_Man_, to i type "unrar-free <filename>" ? |
| 13:52.44 | takatumi | Illusia: /query nickserv (type help) |
| 13:52.46 | capu | ethics, sorry |
| 13:52.46 | bucky | F-Lelo, yes |
| 13:53.11 | F-Lelo | bucky: nice... how can I make it better? I mean... to show more information |
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| 13:53.19 | F-Lelo | maybe about the rule matches statistics, ,etc |
| 13:53.24 | capu | ethics, THANKYOU! It worked =) |
| 13:53.46 | ethics | !prize capu |
| 13:53.53 | bucky | F-Lelo, --verbose ? |
| 13:54.21 | F-Lelo | bucky: alright! :) Thanks |
| 13:54.38 | VoX | anyone here know why irssi-text is having issues loading an xmms plugin? it's giving an "invalid ELF handler" error. what does this mean? |
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| 13:55.44 | ethics | apt-get install santa? |
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| 13:55.57 | ethics | no idea sorry vox...elf is a mystery to me |
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| 13:56.38 | VoX | heh |
| 13:56.39 | VoX | righto |
| 13:56.45 | nomad_cz | Anyone willing to help me with samba ? ;) Yep. I tried #samba but they seem to be too busy ;) |
| 13:56.58 | VoX | what problem you having? |
| 13:57.06 | ethics | i think im really getting into this transparent gnome theme 8) |
| 13:57.17 | VoX | ooo which one? |
| 13:57.29 | ethics | clearview i think |
| 13:57.39 | capu | sorry to bother you all again, but every single file in the archieve has "Failed" unziping... any idea what I could be doing wrong? |
| 13:57.44 | squareff | when my machine loses net connectivity, this is what "time getent hosts `hostname`" gives me after substantial delay (this is on my router/nat machine): |
| 13:57.44 | squareff | 0.00user 0.00system 0:10.01elapsed 0%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k<\n>0inputs+0outputs (0major+285minor)pagefaults 0swaps |
| 13:57.44 | squareff | on another machine (a client computer to the router/nat computer) i even get "...20.0elapsed" and "(...309minor)pagefaults", as if the delay on the router/nat machine adds up to the delay on the client machine; please help me. |
| 13:57.45 | ethics | clearlooks sorry |
| 13:57.50 | bucky | blue curve uses clearview |
| 13:57.58 | bucky | or clearlooks |
| 13:58.07 | ethics | clearlooks |
| 13:58.19 | capu | I typed: "unrar-free -x filename.rar /directory/to/install/it" |
| 13:58.23 | ethics | ive been fiddling in gnome 2.10 8) |
| 13:58.41 | Morti | How do I install libraries on a system for my own purposes when I don't have root access to that system? |
| 13:58.43 | bucky | squareff, sounds like a bad cat cable |
| 13:58.53 | VoX | ethics: wherefor you get it from? |
| 13:59.00 | ethics | capu: not sure is it passworded etc? |
| 13:59.01 | bucky | nomad_cz, have you apt-got samba-doc ? |
| 13:59.14 | Eulex | ethics: that sounds cool... transparent theme? new feature in gnome 2.10? |
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| 13:59.17 | ethics | VoX: just apt sid maybee |
| 13:59.24 | nomad_cz | bucky: Yep ;) |
| 13:59.25 | tralala | nomad_cz: if you can't configure samba on yourown use webmin-samba. It may not generate the greatest config file (or the most secure for that matter), but it will easily get you there. |
| 13:59.27 | capu | I got it off a tracker, so it really shouldn't be |
| 13:59.42 | ethics | Eulex not sure i found it after i moved up but its not in the core...was a package |
| 13:59.45 | VoX | ethics: it's a package? |
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| 13:59.48 | bucky | nomad_cz, do you have a specific question? |
| 13:59.51 | cusco | gnome baker says: Error opening libao wav file driver. (Do you have write permissions |
| 13:59.58 | cusco | what does this means |
| 14:00.02 | cusco | please |
| 14:00.04 | ethics | either way my panels are all seethrough and you can set them at a percentage 8) |
| 14:00.13 | cusco | what permissions must I change? |
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| 14:00.28 | nomad_cz | bucky: tralala: I have got samba running - just \\server\share%user does not work ;) smbclient //server/share -U user works ok. |
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| 14:00.40 | TuX_MaN | re |
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| 14:01.04 | Eulex | ethics: I can do that in 2.8.3, but it only works for "empty" space in the panels |
| 14:01.34 | ethics | well the gnome button is seethrough too except the text and foot |
| 14:01.39 | ethics | if that helps |
| 14:01.40 | binaryc | i was wondering if there are any cedega debian packages built from the binnaries that are free to download. I could just build it but if someone created a package that would be nice |
| 14:02.03 | bucky | freecedega.org |
| 14:02.11 | VoX | ethics: what's the package name for the engine? i've got it installed(clearlooks) but no gtk engine |
| 14:02.14 | nomad_cz | bucky: any ideas ? |
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| 14:02.46 | bucky | nomad_cz, define does not work.. time out ? |
| 14:02.53 | ethics | vox: well im on gnome 2.10 from sid atm but the rest is etch. itll hit testing soon i think |
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| 14:03.05 | cusco | Error opening libao wav file driver. (Do you have write permissions?) - Where do I change these permissions? |
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| 14:03.22 | nomad_cz | bucky: session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 14:03.26 | ethics | vox: its almost bugfree i think in the bts |
| 14:03.42 | VoX | ethics: im on sid aswell |
| 14:03.52 | FieldySnuts | !any ideas |
| 14:03.53 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of starving kittens. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 14:03.55 | squareff | bucky: "squareff, sounds like a bad cat cable" i don't know what a "cat" cable is... i use normal ethernet cable |
| 14:03.57 | ethics | vox: apt-get upgrade gnome |
| 14:04.04 | VoX | done that |
| 14:04.08 | VoX | im running 2.10 |
| 14:04.09 | ethics | vox see if it offers up anything |
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| 14:04.30 | bucky | squareff, that's what it sounds like to me.. |
| 14:04.40 | ethics | VoX then thats all i did except adding art stuff |
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| 14:05.01 | ethics | vox: what did you want me to check dpkg for gtk? |
| 14:05.03 | VoX | ethics: ah it's cool i worked it out |
| 14:05.09 | VoX | didnt have metacity installed |
| 14:05.19 | ethics | Vox ann i c |
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| 14:05.38 | ethics | vox: in panel prefs you can tweak transparency |
| 14:05.48 | bucky | nomad_cz, http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2002-February/038575.html |
| 14:06.08 | TuX_MaN | Hi to all debian users |
| 14:06.11 | TuX_MaN | (: |
| 14:06.15 | dobby | hello i have a little question, i want to connect to my server via ISDN. So with windoze i dial to my zyxel isdn box, then the isdn box calls back. Is there a possiblity with debian that the isdn box calls also back and connects me with my lan? |
| 14:06.18 | neiljp-work | anyone know if it is possible to mount all sessions of a multi-session cd at once? by default it just seems to mount the last one (I know you can access the earlier ones using the session=n mount option) |
| 14:06.22 | VoX | ethics: panel prefs? |
| 14:06.26 | ethics | vox i did have to log out and in once on some apples beeing textless but it only happened once on first install of theme |
| 14:06.53 | ethics | vox rightclick blank part of a gnome panel/toolbar hit preferences hehe |
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| 14:07.05 | ethics | vox: properties rather |
| 14:07.07 | nomad_cz | bucky: It used to work with Woody. |
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| 14:07.23 | jethro | !excite me |
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| 14:07.30 | ethics | !dance |
| 14:07.36 | capu | Can anyone help me out? I'm trying to unrar an archieve with "unrar-free -x <name>.rar" but it's giving me "Extracting <Filename> Failed." .... I checked it's access, and it's not root only, I tried making the directory manually, that didn't work either.... any suggestions? |
| 14:07.48 | nomad_cz | bucky: I think setup is ok. Including security= |
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| 14:08.17 | nomad_cz | bucky: Could u just confirm that it works on your samba box ? (sarge) |
| 14:08.23 | FieldySnuts | getting samba3 to work on an ADS domain is a wh*re |
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| 14:09.04 | FieldySnuts | best place I've found to ask for help is the samba mailing lists, or #samba though the channel is usually dead silent |
| 14:09.04 | jethro | FieldySnuts: indeed. especially when a moron is supposed to do it. my colleague is. |
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| 14:09.12 | bucky | nomad_cz, is your box the pdc ? |
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| 14:09.30 | FieldySnuts | yeah you really need to have a firm understanding of ADS on the winshit side, and the way samba handles it, your every day dummy isn't going to get it |
| 14:09.33 | ethics | capu try unrar-free --list Filename see if it opens at all |
| 14:09.36 | nomad_cz | bucky: Nope. Just stand alone server. |
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| 14:09.48 | nomad_cz | bucky: I could paste my smb.conf if u wanted. |
| 14:09.50 | ethics | capu should show a list of files etc... |
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| 14:10.06 | bucky | nomad_cz, make it the pdc |
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| 14:10.27 | nomad_cz | bucky: Hmm. But I do not need pdc ;) are u sure ? |
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| 14:11.09 | nomad_cz | bucky: Just want some shared folders and to be able access them like \\server\share%user - because of Win9x |
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| 14:11.12 | bucky | nomad_cz, Did you add the samba password on the server for the correct user? |
| 14:11.43 | nomad_cz | bucky: Yep. It works when I use smbclient //server/share -U user |
| 14:11.46 | capu | ethics, it listed all the files |
| 14:11.50 | capu | and details, etc |
| 14:11.54 | bucky | nomad_cz, hmm.. i dunno |
| 14:12.01 | jethro | FieldySnuts: my colleague thought he'd be able to. now I'm finishing the job. /me wishes he could LART the moron |
| 14:12.41 | nomad_cz | bucky: Just this bloody share%user does not. Samba takes it as an user name "share%user". |
| 14:12.42 | FieldySnuts | jethro: i once had spent many days setting something up like that and it worked great. my boss (non-unix guy) thought he'd use webmin to modify it and fucked it all up. almost quit over that one |
| 14:13.05 | ethics | capu: ok try going ito a empty directory and doing unrar-free -x /path/to/rar . |
| 14:13.12 | ethics | note the . on the end |
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| 14:13.19 | FieldySnuts | no webmin comments needed, i hate it too. he's the boss. |
| 14:13.19 | jethro | FieldySnuts: would you believe my colleguge colleague did kill -9 -1 <somepid> as root on a production box AFTER reading man kill ? |
| 14:13.22 | TuX_MaN | what client MSN can I use in Console ? |
| 14:13.27 | FieldySnuts | jethro: yes |
| 14:13.39 | jethro | FieldySnuts: I must have told you already :) |
| 14:13.41 | FieldySnuts | jethro: i've had somebody init 1 on a production box, and leave it there |
| 14:13.46 | c0al | TuX_MaN, i think centericq does MSN. |
| 14:13.47 | FieldySnuts | (and I got blamed) |
| 14:14.03 | jethro | heh |
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| 14:14.08 | jethro | that's a nice one too :) |
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| 14:14.22 | FieldySnuts | to which my response was changing root passwords, it's my job to maintain those systems not that persons |
| 14:14.37 | jethro | indeed, I no longer allow him to use a root account on a unix system |
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| 14:14.48 | capu | ethics, nope, nothing |
| 14:14.52 | CasaNova | On my gnome desktop I have vol-mgr so when I connect a small usb drive it pops up- how do I do this in KDE? It doesnt seem to auto-detect teh usb drive in KDE... thanks |
| 14:14.58 | ethics | capy errors? |
| 14:15.04 | asg | CasaNova: try #debian-kde |
| 14:15.12 | ethics | capu, any errors or no activity at all? |
| 14:15.15 | CasaNova | asg: OK |
| 14:15.30 | CasaNova | asg: is there also a debian-gnome? |
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| 14:15.49 | asg | CasaNova: on oftc.net iirc |
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| 14:15.54 | hid3 | I want to move all my webhosting accounts (cat /etc/passwd | grep /home/webusers) to another machine.. How should I move their password files I I don't want to copy the entire shadow file? |
| 14:15.58 | CasaNova | I'm really trying to learn gnome - I tpically use wmaker - but I like all the features of the desktops env. as well now |
| 14:15.58 | TuX_MaN | c0al, sorry i dont understand so much english, what is the name of the tools that I can use tu chatting on MSN by Console? like AMSN but for Console. |
| 14:16.00 | capu | ethics, it just says: "Ectracting from <path to rar> : Extracting <file> Failed." and it does that on every file in the rar |
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| 14:16.35 | Phated | TuX_MaN: centericq, iirc. |
| 14:16.59 | ethics | capu are you sure its a working rar? the list proves its somewhat intact.. |
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| 14:17.30 | TuX_MaN | ok, thankx |
| 14:17.33 | TuX_MaN | thanks* |
| 14:17.34 | CasaNova | asg: Sorry was oftc.net.iirc the server ? I can't locate it... |
| 14:17.39 | ethics | capu or try loading winrar into wine?.. |
| 14:17.48 | capu | i got it as a torrent: so if it wasn't intact, there would be a huge flame on it in the comments |
| 14:17.49 | asg | CasaNova: no, irc.oftc.net (iirc == if I recall correctly) |
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| 14:18.02 | capu | i could give that a shot... i've never used winrar before though |
| 14:18.05 | ethics | capu the syntax is right im leaning toward file may be passworded or maybee a new version etc.. |
| 14:18.05 | capu | wine even* |
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| 14:18.26 | capu | =( - i'll just apt-get wine |
| 14:18.44 | Mark62756 | hello everyone |
| 14:18.56 | ethics | capu its reasonably easy for smally things like winrar etc... wine exefile will fire it off ..you need wine and winesetup i think they are |
| 14:18.57 | CasaNova | asg: Thanks im really slow today |
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| 14:19.20 | amorphix | hi guys |
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| 14:19.44 | Sanny | hey |
| 14:19.45 | asg | CasaNova: :) no worries. |
| 14:19.47 | CQ | if I have java 1.4.2 installes and I want to install 1.5, can I just install the new de or do I need to remove the old one? |
| 14:19.51 | Mark62756 | i just wanted to know how would i find out the package name for kernel sources in apt |
| 14:20.09 | greycat | Mark62756: apt-cache search |
| 14:20.15 | CQ | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 14:20.18 | ethics | capu i will be heading out now but you should be able to get winrar in wine easily enough just rune wine setup first then run wine winrarsetup.exe change name obviosuly and you should be somewhat ready |
| 14:20.21 | Sanny | does anybody speak german here? |
| 14:20.25 | greycat | !de |
| 14:20.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 14:20.45 | Mark62756 | greycat: ok i'll see |
| 14:20.46 | capu | ethics, thankyou :) i will do |
| 14:20.49 | Mark62756 | thanks |
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| 14:21.02 | ethics | capu how big is the file? |
| 14:21.18 | amorphix | ive got a motherboard which has two little battery packs which connect onto it, presumeably these are for the BIOS backup? anyway, i accidently disconnected both these battery packs and when I tried to boot up the motherboard (just the motherboard nothing connected apart from keyboard and monitor) it would only go as far as displaying "Video BIOS" and no further. could I have lost the sys BIOS by disconnecting those batteries? |
| 14:21.27 | TuX_MaN | bye |
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| 14:21.41 | idealbsd | when will openoffice.org2 document package will upload to experimental in sid? i just find others related packages |
| 14:21.52 | VoX | amorphix: you shouldnt've |
| 14:22.02 | VoX | amorphix: normally that is kept on an eprom |
| 14:22.02 | greycat | idealbsd: ask #debian-oo |
| 14:22.13 | ethics | amorphix, not likely the batteries would die sometime...morelikely the defaults are gone and you need to go into bios and reconfig it |
| 14:22.17 | amorphix | VoX: oh so whats the purpose of the those batteries on motherboards? |
| 14:22.26 | amorphix | oh |
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| 14:22.31 | Sanny | what`s your name |
| 14:22.38 | asg | amorphix: to defeat your tinfoil hat precautions |
| 14:22.39 | amorphix | to store the configured bios? |
| 14:22.47 | idealbsd | greycat, thanks :) |
| 14:22.54 | wwallace | i have a problem trasferring files from windowze to linux is very slow....the trasfer from linux to windowze is fine,or the transfer of file between windowze and windowze can anyone give me any ideas? |
| 14:23.20 | ethics | bios = how things work battery keeps settings alive while unpowered |
| 14:23.28 | amorphix | okay |
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| 14:23.58 | amorphix | it should be possible to get into bios without any memory? |
| 14:24.01 | capu | ethics, only about 5mb |
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| 14:24.14 | capu | i cant get wine to work with it |
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| 14:24.36 | Sanny | halloooooooooooooooooo |
| 14:24.39 | ethics | capu worst case email it to a mate and get hip to send it back as a zip heheh rar sucks for linux.. |
| 14:24.48 | Anders1 | wwallace, do you use Windows 98? |
| 14:24.56 | capu | lol :( |
| 14:25.05 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! I need to pass kde3 directory to a configure file, it says the default is /opt/kde3 which i do not have. whereis gives me .etc.kde and /usr/lib/kde3, which one should i select? |
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| 14:25.43 | wwallace | Anders1: im working with xp |
| 14:25.44 | amorphix | if i have a battery thats 10v and 3600mAh, how much voltage would i need to charge that on a 360mA tricke charge? should it be around 15v? |
| 14:25.53 | wwallace | i see them all only the trasfer is very slow |
| 14:26.09 | amorphix | *trickle |
| 14:26.24 | Sanny | hey |
| 14:26.28 | asg | K_Dallas: you could try asking in #debian-kde |
| 14:26.29 | Anders1 | wwallace, well then i don't know, i know Windows 98 has shit transfer stuff |
| 14:26.33 | asg | !tell Sanny about ask |
| 14:26.37 | K_Dallas | asg, ok thanks |
| 14:26.38 | prodope | i have exim4 running as my local network mta... what do i use to check my mail? (the command mail isn't working) |
| 14:26.48 | asg | prodope: mutt |
| 14:26.54 | Sanny | does anybody want to tlk with me |
| 14:27.07 | asg | prodope: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 14:27.07 | Guerin | prodope: less /var/mail/username |
| 14:27.16 | prodope | cool, thanks |
| 14:27.22 | bucky | K_Dallas, some people are getting the 3.4 source deb for sid and building it with make-kpkg |
| 14:27.26 | amorphix | how much power do motherboards usually require as a minimum? |
| 14:27.34 | ethics | sanny are you a god? |
| 14:27.35 | Ungy | Sanny this isn;t a chat room for people to talk if you hav a question concerning debian ask |
| 14:27.36 | amorphix | 6v or 12v? |
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| 14:28.03 | K_Dallas | bucky, i forgot to ask, what version of kde comes with Sarge? I thought it had at least 3 |
| 14:28.11 | ethics | 3.3 |
| 14:28.12 | amorphix | 3.3 |
| 14:28.18 | Guerin | amorphix: um, normal psus output 5 and 12, and a mobo normally distributes power to other stuff. |
| 14:28.18 | K_Dallas | so i should be all right |
| 14:28.25 | CasaNova | mounting a USB drive under Debian? from cmd line or application gui what is easiest way? |
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| 14:28.32 | amorphix | oh |
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| 14:28.40 | K_Dallas | i dont really want to use kde, just to compile a program and that is it |
| 14:28.43 | greycat | CasaNova: mount /dev/whatever /wherever |
| 14:28.44 | CasaNova | I see the usb device in lsusb but not sure what to do next :-) |
| 14:28.51 | amorphix | Guerin: thanks |
| 14:28.56 | Guerin | CasaNova: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/whateveryouwant |
| 14:29.06 | ethics | K_Dallas, you can run kde apps in gnome if you have the libs loaded |
| 14:29.09 | K_Dallas | bucky, as you know other debian chans are really sloooooooow when it comes to q&a ;) |
| 14:29.18 | CasaNova | greycatOh so even if I have another usb device the HD will always be sda1? |
| 14:29.25 | Guerin | CasaNova: no. |
| 14:29.27 | K_Dallas | ethics, it is more like to compile it first |
| 14:29.46 | amorphix | Guerin: do you think it's possible to a mobo on just 5v if you have nothing else connected to it, and if only media drive is a pcmcia? |
| 14:29.53 | amorphix | *run |
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| 14:30.33 | CasaNova | Guerin: Ok I didn't notice dmesg give an sda# to teh device, where do I look to see what device it was assigned? |
| 14:30.41 | Guerin | CasaNova: fdisk -l |
| 14:30.51 | Guerin | amorphix: doubtful. |
| 14:30.51 | greycat | CasaNova: if you see a Linux USB hacker, please smack him for me. |
| 14:30.59 | amorphix | ok |
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| 14:31.22 | CasaNova | greycat: ? |
| 14:31.31 | greycat | CasaNova: for precisely the reason you just mentioned. |
| 14:32.07 | Phated | Heh. |
| 14:32.48 | CasaNova | Ah so the mp3 player has an external mem chip so it actually assigned internal mem sda1 and external mem sdb1- wow thansk I didn't even think to use fdisk..:-) |
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| 14:33.43 | ethics | casanova hwinfo can also tell you but thats overkill... |
| 14:33.57 | capu | how do all you linux users extract rar files? |
| 14:34.03 | greycat | unrar |
| 14:34.09 | greycat | (-nonfree) |
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| 14:34.18 | capu | how do i get nonfree? |
| 14:34.22 | CasaNova | ethics: thanks. I got vol-mgt working in gnome so the device pops up - not working in KDE - debian-kde is being very shy right now on the topic:-) |
| 14:34.28 | greycat | !non-free |
| 14:34.29 | dpkg | [non-free] always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
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| 14:35.01 | capu | ach |
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| 14:35.14 | ethics | CasaNova, so anyways why cant you just mount them manually for your purpose? |
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| 14:36.30 | CasaNova | ethics: Ican - but my wife is not a big fan of cmd line... I am using gnome and the device pops up, she wants to keep kde and they don't :-( |
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| 14:36.50 | CasaNova | ethics: so an exercise in making life easier for us both :-) |
| 14:36.54 | CQ | can I have a java jdk and jre installed side by side, or should it be one or the other? |
| 14:37.13 | greycat | yes |
| 14:37.24 | ethics | haha kk you had me at wife |
| 14:37.28 | idealbsd | CQ, just jdk will ok |
| 14:37.34 | CQ | ok, thanks |
| 14:37.37 | greycat | of course, if you have a jdk installed, that *includes* the jre. so having both would be a bit silly. |
| 14:37.41 | capu | how do i update unrar-free? |
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| 14:38.13 | CasaNova | greycat: Unless he needs a diff version of the jre for testing or apps requiring it ? |
| 14:38.21 | greycat | CasaNova: ok, point. |
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| 14:38.35 | greycat | but nothing he's said so far indicates that level of cluefulness |
| 14:38.45 | CasaNova | ethics: Everything I learn is to make things "just" work for her :-) |
| 14:38.52 | CasaNova | greycat: point... |
| 14:38.56 | CasaNova | :-) |
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| 14:39.35 | xzgv | i'm having problems incorporating Alt+Tab in ion3, using Sarge, any ideas? |
| 14:39.59 | CQ | hm, what should JAVA_HOME point to in Tomcat? /usr/lib/kaffee not OK? |
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| 14:40.05 | K_Dallas | xzgv, i think you have to use alt-k-1,2,3 |
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| 14:40.14 | ethics | CasaNova, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-15357.html bottom of page may help |
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| 14:40.41 | K_Dallas | xzgv, but ask in #ion |
| 14:41.01 | xzgv | K_Dallas, well... the default is Alt+K+N to switch around |
| 14:41.20 | K_Dallas | yeah and you need to reconfgure it |
| 14:41.40 | Nick0r | w: error while loading shared libraries: libproc.so.3.2.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:41.40 | K_Dallas | which i have never done specially that they use a wied script-language for that |
| 14:41.43 | Nick0r | what's wrong? |
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| 14:41.47 | ethics | CasaNova, or this may be more specific http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-19107.html beware ubuntu uses xorg unsure of affect |
| 14:41.51 | CasaNova | ethics: thanks I'll read up, In the interim I added an fstab entry and a HD desktop shortcut:-) |
| 14:41.54 | idealbsd | CQ, /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-sun or /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun |
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| 14:42.14 | xzgv | Nick0r, you talking to me? |
| 14:42.25 | CasaNova | Now that's a lot of reading - OK time to take some notes, thanks all... |
| 14:42.27 | Grost | hi there, anybody know, how to give a programm a specific network interface, like eth1 |
| 14:42.30 | Nick0r | (15:45:13) (Nick0r) w: error while loading shared libraries: libproc.so.3.2.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:42.32 | idealbsd | CQ, it depends on where you installed it |
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| 14:43.17 | CQ | ok, got it. |
| 14:43.22 | greycat | how the hell could you NOT have fixed that by now, Nick0r? |
| 14:43.25 | shorty_ | gah, does everything in cgi-bin have to be executed? |
| 14:43.29 | jak | anybody knows screen and its defscrollback option? mine doesnt work... |
| 14:43.31 | greycat | how long does it take you to reinstall one little package? |
| 14:44.13 | caphuso | !tell jak -about doesn't work |
| 14:44.19 | ethics | directhex|work, #flood |
| 14:44.35 | CQ | nice. And the .war files for tomcat go into /var/lib/tomcat4/webapps/ROOT/ right? |
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| 14:44.56 | jak | caphuso: my screen does not scroll back, it shows the screen before i went on emulating different shell windows... |
| 14:45.27 | caphuso | jak: "does not scroll back"? are you somehow expecting it to do it all by itself? |
| 14:45.42 | jak | caphuso: no... (?) |
| 14:45.50 | caphuso | jak: so, then what are _you_ doing? |
| 14:46.13 | jak | caphuso: i DO scroll back, but i cant see the shell inout " in my screen " |
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| 14:46.25 | caphuso | jak: i don't think you are scrolling back |
| 14:46.27 | Nick0r | (15:46:57) (fn~greycat) how the hell could you NOT have fixed that by now, Nick0r? --> because someone last night gave me some gay fix, "reinstall your machine"... |
| 14:46.37 | greycat | !gay |
| 14:46.38 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 14:46.48 | Nick0r | lol |
| 14:46.49 | caphuso | jak: so, again, what are you doing? |
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| 14:47.02 | idealbsd | CQ, sorry not familiar with it ;) |
| 14:47.03 | jak | caphuso: im pressing shift+pgup |
| 14:47.08 | caphuso | jak: aha! |
| 14:47.18 | jak | caphuso: (?) |
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| 14:47.41 | caphuso | jak: so you've changed the scrollback buffer of screen, but are using the one of xterm or the linux console or whatever terminal emulator you run screen in |
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| 14:47.54 | FieldySnuts | !lart Nick0r |
| 14:47.56 | caphuso | jak: and you actually wonder why it "doesn't work"? |
| 14:48.51 | jak | caphuso: ... so i have to change the buffer size of xterm? because when i press shift+pgup, that works... |
| 14:49.03 | caphuso | jak: no, you have to use screen for scrolling |
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| 14:49.37 | Caeies[taff] | heya all |
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| 14:49.51 | jak | caphuso: and do you know hot to do this? do i have to tell screen that it should react? |
| 14:49.56 | Caeies[taff] | kiN, <= that's a bot ?? |
| 14:50.04 | c0al | agh - ONJOIN spam from kiN |
| 14:50.10 | Nick0r | O_o |
| 14:50.19 | Caeies[taff] | yes Confirmed |
| 14:50.29 | Caeies[taff] | free porn video |
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| 14:51.18 | caphuso | jak: well, simply thinking it real hard won't do it... yes, of course you have to tell screen to do it. read the parts about screen's copy/scrollback mode of the man page |
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| 14:51.43 | ethics | yay tg3 got the license fixed so its back in free 8) win on hardware 8) |
| 14:51.59 | Caeies[taff] | sour-, heya all |
| 14:52.02 | Caeies[taff] | hum |
| 14:52.06 | Caeies[taff] | -ur- |
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| 14:52.22 | directhex|work | ethics, bit late for Sarge though |
| 14:52.40 | Caeies[taff] | I have a little problem with hotplug, just wan't to know if it's me or a real bug ... |
| 14:52.40 | directhex|work | ethics, unless it's changed ina new kernel_images and debian 3.11 |
| 14:52.43 | directhex|work | *3.1r1 |
| 14:53.08 | Caeies[taff] | I run over an usb driver as root system |
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| 14:53.37 | honschu | How to compile only usbhid in the kernel-sources? |
| 14:54.07 | Caeies[taff] | and when I plug a usb net cable, the whole usb system is reseted, thus killing the usb root fs |
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| 14:55.39 | Caeies[taff] | So What is wrong ? |
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| 14:56.54 | greycat | honschu: you don't. you build a whole kernel or you stop fucking around and just install a kernel-image (highly recommended). |
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| 14:57.50 | FieldySnuts | amen |
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| 14:58.37 | jak | caphuso: cant find em... do you know what option i will have to turn on? |
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| 14:58.54 | caphuso | jak: *sigh* |
| 14:58.58 | ethics | directhex|work, whats the deal with kernels and stable they wont do 2.6.Xchanges ? |
| 14:59.04 | caphuso | jak: don't try to lie to me |
| 14:59.36 | jak | caphuso: -h or defscrollback dont work... |
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| 14:59.59 | directhex|work | ethics, they just do security patches or major bug patches on the stable kernel (2.6.8). which is annoying, 2.6.8 in sarge still has broken smbfs support |
| 15:00.04 | Caeies[taff] | jak, cp /boot/config-kernel_version /usr/src/.config |
| 15:00.12 | Caeies[taff] | then make menuconfig |
| 15:00.14 | caphuso | jak: you being too stupid to use it does not mean it "dont work" |
| 15:00.23 | caphuso | jak: now go and read the docs, FFS |
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| 15:01.14 | jak | caphuso: see, i dont wanna read about 6million lines of useless man pages and people that say that i will have to do this fuck me up man... |
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| 15:01.43 | petemc | heh |
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| 15:01.49 | caphuso | no, that's fucking you up man... |
| 15:01.50 | paulswm | !qotd9 |
| 15:01.50 | dpkg | <caphuso> linagee: so, now would be a good time to start reading the fucking manual before i start fucking you |
| 15:02.00 | paulswm | Dammit, I missed him |
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| 15:02.26 | FieldySnuts | wants you to do it for him, is what it comes down to |
| 15:02.31 | FieldySnuts | !aussiesmite jak |
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| 15:02.32 | dpkg | jak: yeahh bob's your uncle you stupid wanker |
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| 15:02.47 | ethics | directhex|work, thats not helpfull at all... |
| 15:02.48 | cast | im realy stumped why this scanner would work in knoppix but not debian. lsusb lists nothing, still, any ideas? |
| 15:02.51 | caphuso | hell, all this moron needs to do is search the screen man page for the few occurances of "copy/scrollback" |
| 15:02.58 | paulswm | Sure, I really hate that attitude |
| 15:03.04 | ethics | lol i love dpkg's style heheh |
| 15:03.36 | ethics | cast...whats the dealio? |
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| 15:03.47 | Caeies[taff] | so no idea for the usb bus reseting killing the root fs ? |
| 15:04.35 | cast | ethics: mm? the deal? where? who? what? why? i want my vps account! |
| 15:04.55 | ethics | what scanner dude? |
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| 15:05.19 | cast | oh. this cannon lide20 |
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| 15:05.40 | FieldySnuts | you did what with who for how much>? |
| 15:05.55 | revenger_ | hmm does anyone remember the command for running another function or script when the main script exits? |
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| 15:06.08 | revenger_ | (it's possible to install a handler somehow) |
| 15:06.08 | ethics | cast, what scanner ? |
| 15:06.17 | asg | FieldySnuts: Colonel Mustard in the Study with the Revolver |
| 15:06.17 | FieldySnuts | he just told you |
| 15:06.32 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: what does asg pay you for? |
| 15:06.33 | dpkg | often asg insists on a good kick in the kidneys, fieldysnuts, but I've really had enough... |
| 15:07.02 | ethics | oh whoops missed it ...lide20 yah cool works np lspci doesnt pick it up you say? |
| 15:07.20 | shingouz | lsusb |
| 15:07.23 | FieldySnuts | because it's USB attached scanner |
| 15:07.30 | cast | lsusb picks it up not |
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| 15:08.54 | ethics | cast : you tried different usb ports? they are self powered off usb i think from memory so you have to have a full usb port of power for it... |
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| 15:09.09 | ethics | cast checked cables etc also? |
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| 15:09.46 | cast | well. what i did was boot into knoppix with it plugged in. scanned something, and ran lsusb and saw it. then without touching the setup booted back into debian where lsusb listed nothing |
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| 15:10.11 | cast | they are indeed usb powered, but i dont believe that to be the issue here |
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| 15:11.02 | shingouz | cast: is your usb on in the first place? |
| 15:11.29 | cast | 'usb on'? i dont understand the question |
| 15:11.32 | ethics | cast intresting. sounds like hwinfo isnt working it out for you... they work on sane-plustek libraries and have worked on debian before....what kernel are you on ? |
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| 15:11.54 | cast | the usb port works with a usb stick fine |
| 15:11.54 | ethics | shingouz, knoppix worked reboot off hd lspci no see |
| 15:11.55 | shingouz | cast: usb modules loaded? uhci. ohci, ehci? |
| 15:12.04 | capu | can anyone recommend me a program for Unraring files? (A free one) |
| 15:12.05 | ethics | shingouz, lsusb rather |
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| 15:13.04 | cast | i just upgraded from .10 to .12 [kernel] thinking that might help, but alas |
| 15:13.10 | ethics | cast id grab a list off lsmod in knoppix and see whats different...kernel numebrs too maybee |
| 15:13.22 | ColonelKernel | I installed my webcam at /dev/video1 (I also have a bttv card) and gnomemeeting REFUSES to recognize the quickcam no matter what I do in gconf |
| 15:13.30 | ethics | cast your not on debian kernels at all then? |
| 15:13.31 | ColonelKernel | it just isnt an option |
| 15:13.40 | ColonelKernel | I can get it up in xawtv no problem |
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| 15:14.08 | ethics | ColonelKernel, load them in reverse order in /etc/modules |
| 15:14.10 | ColonelKernel | should I maybe reinstall gnomemeeting and if so - whats the best way to completely remove a package and all its related conf files and all |
| 15:14.27 | ethics | ColonelKernel, it should revere the dev numbers |
| 15:14.31 | ColonelKernel | ethics, it doesnt matter which is which - it will only recognize the bttv card |
| 15:14.37 | greycat | capu: just fucking do "apt-get install unrar-nonfree" already and hush up. you're annoying me. |
| 15:14.45 | ColonelKernel | I have done it both ways |
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| 15:14.55 | tzafrir | ColonelKernel, apt-get remove --purge ? |
| 15:15.09 | ethics | ColonelKernel, so if you unload bttv and webcam then load webcam it fails too? |
| 15:15.13 | beardy | ColonelKernel: apt-get remove --purge package and man apt-get |
| 15:15.27 | ColonelKernel | ethics, it just detects the bttv card as the other device |
| 15:15.40 | ColonelKernel | it sure does love that bttv card |
| 15:15.50 | ethics | with no modules loaded for bttv? |
| 15:15.56 | ColonelKernel | im 1/2 a step from getting webcam working between me and a windoze client |
| 15:16.05 | ColonelKernel | then its pretty much byebye windoze |
| 15:16.11 | ColonelKernel | I have to have webcam |
| 15:16.15 | ColonelKernel | pref yahoo |
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| 15:16.28 | ethics | cyber no good with no cam hehe |
| 15:16.56 | ColonelKernel | not for cyber |
| 15:17.01 | ColonelKernel | for relatives overseas |
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| 15:17.10 | ColonelKernel | :( |
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| 15:17.26 | greycat | uh huh. sure. |
| 15:17.30 | cast | ethics: no, not debian kernels. hmm, alright, will do |
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| 15:17.39 | ColonelKernel | ethics, I havent tried it w/o bttv, I cant seem to unload bttv it always says its in use |
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| 15:18.08 | Zak- | Hi, I need some desperate help for a dialup issue... its not debian related. I seem to get my dialup "stalling", trying to send large e-mail attachment... I get similar problems with some services and websites. Anybody have any clues? |
| 15:18.11 | ethics | ColonelKernel, by what? it shouldnt be its a capture card hehe |
| 15:18.22 | ColonelKernel | I think soundcore |
| 15:18.43 | ColonelKernel | Im pretty sure the stock kernel has bt878 audio input enabled |
| 15:18.47 | ethics | ColonelKernel, ahh maybee i use ivtv so i dont get soundcore links |
| 15:18.54 | ColonelKernel | cause soundcore uses bttv and my audigy2 |
| 15:19.10 | ColonelKernel | i live tvtiem myself |
| 15:19.14 | ColonelKernel | tvtime I mean |
| 15:19.28 | ColonelKernel | but anyhow im just dying to get gnomemeeting to recognize my quickcam |
| 15:19.34 | ColonelKernel | brb |
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| 15:19.56 | ethics | ivtv is the mppeg card drivers...pver-150 here its sound and video in 1 stream so i dont have souncore hooks at all |
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| 15:20.20 | paulswm | He's going to brb. I can hardly wait. |
| 15:20.36 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 15:20.37 | apt | USA should nuke North Korea! |
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| 15:20.45 | FieldySnuts | who |
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| 15:20.52 | FieldySnuts | ah |
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| 15:20.57 | kingsley | How well are the free javas, like kaffe and sablevm, working these days? |
| 15:21.11 | greycat | kingsley: try one and see? |
| 15:21.22 | b000 | How can i see the size of my swap space? |
| 15:21.30 | FieldySnuts | free -m |
| 15:21.34 | paulswm | b000: sudo swapon -s |
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| 15:21.57 | FieldySnuts | Swap: 1913 |
| 15:22.08 | b000 | Okay, thanks. |
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| 15:23.33 | yage | using gpg how can i select the key to use for decrypt if i used more than one to crypt and i have more than one secret key in my ring? |
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| 15:24.18 | b000 | FieldySnuts: how much do you have of swap? |
| 15:24.26 | FieldySnuts | heh a customer brought in a laptop, it's systemname is "donkeypunch" |
| 15:24.37 | FieldySnuts | b000: that number above, in MB |
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| 15:24.53 | greycat | yage: does it matter? wouldn't they all decrypt to the same result? |
| 15:24.58 | b000 | k |
| 15:24.59 | Ra|mis | where is problem? I install jre on debian, azureus works perfectly, but i can;t open other java apps. :/ and in console there is not command: java . How I can set path to java? |
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| 15:25.10 | greycat | Ra|mis: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 15:25.37 | yage | greycat, i would like to ask user/password to the user and then call gpg in batch mode to decrypt |
| 15:25.39 | FieldySnuts | i wish I had more, i find it interesting to find huge tiffs made by nasa and mess with them... 512MB ram and ~2G swap isn't nearly enough, made a 9GB swap "file" |
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| 15:25.49 | yage | greycat, so i need to select the right key |
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| 15:26.03 | yage | greycat, because the user only knows his password |
| 15:26.12 | FieldySnuts | was kinda interesting to see the swap value at 11000 or something |
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| 15:28.44 | ColonelKernel | ok if I only have the quickcam loaded gnomemeeting gives me an error - but I was unable to remove it because debian wants to remove gnome as well if I do |
| 15:28.50 | greycat | yage: ask #gnupg |
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| 15:29.16 | greycat | ColonelKernel: removing the "gnome" metapackage is hardly anything to worry about. |
| 15:29.25 | yage | greycat, tnx |
| 15:29.39 | wiler | wondering how to remove all users from a specific group including home directories? |
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| 15:30.39 | FieldySnuts | if it's not too many, vipw , remove them, vigr remove the group, rm -r their homes |
| 15:30.44 | FieldySnuts | if it's a lot then i dunno |
| 15:30.44 | wiler | what i ment was how to remove all the users in a specific group from the system not remove them from the group |
| 15:30.58 | FieldySnuts | hm. that doesn't make sense to me |
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| 15:31.12 | Phated | Just deluser them? |
| 15:31.14 | FieldySnuts | if you remove them from the system... uh... uh brainlock |
| 15:31.33 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hello, dahling. |
| 15:31.36 | FieldySnuts | hi dear |
| 15:31.43 | wiler | right but we have 800 users on this system i need to remove |
| 15:31.52 | greycat | wiler: awk time. |
| 15:32.02 | FieldySnuts | gonna take some scripting then I guess, I still dn't understand how you remove them from the system but not from the group |
| 15:32.09 | greycat | surely anyone competent to administer an 800-user system can manage a simple awk -F: script |
| 15:32.30 | stew | who said anything about competence? |
| 15:32.32 | FieldySnuts | you're using logic here. mistake. |
| 15:32.33 | wiler | my original question sounded to me like i was asking how i remove all the users from a group not from the system if you remove them from the group then in theory they are still active |
| 15:32.39 | ariel | I've got an optical usb mouse but it makes usb modules hang at boot time, what modules should I install to get this mouse working. I googled this but no items found |
| 15:32.43 | wiler | as there own group if they belong to multiple groups |
| 15:32.55 | FieldySnuts | yeah but if you remove them from the system, whyleave them in the group? *confused* |
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| 15:33.08 | FieldySnuts | !confuse wiler |
| 15:33.09 | dpkg | No, where was my bacon yesterday, wiler? wellies of the monarchy of micronesia with extra ham |
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| 15:33.51 | ColonelKernel | greycat, I dont want to remove gnome-desktop-environment - i'd like to just purge gnomemeeting and then reinstall it, because I need to use my logitech usb cam with it |
| 15:34.05 | wiler | uhh ok |
| 15:34.07 | wiler | thanks |
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| 15:35.11 | Phated | greycat: Perhaps we need a metapackage factoid. |
| 15:35.13 | greycat | ColonelKernel: dpkg --purge --force-depends ... |
| 15:35.19 | greycat | ColonelKernel: then install it. |
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| 15:35.39 | stew | !metapackage |
| 15:35.39 | dpkg | it has been said that metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. |
| 15:35.47 | FieldySnuts | Phated: neener. |
| 15:35.57 | greycat | !factinfo metapackage |
| 15:35.57 | dpkg | metapackage -- created by ricky_clarkson <~ricky@host-0141.bh.salford.ac.uk> at Wed Nov 19 17:11:41 2003 (579 days); it has been requested 22 times, last by stew, 17s ago. |
| 15:36.08 | Phated | FieldySnuts: neener, deary/ |
| 15:36.26 | FieldySnuts | Phated: sort of means, poking fun at, or "i told you so", teasing |
| 15:36.42 | Phated | FieldySnuts: That was meant to be a full stop. So neener. |
| 15:36.50 | FieldySnuts | what evah |
| 15:36.57 | FieldySnuts | like, totally |
| 15:37.28 | Phated | Yes, deary. |
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| 15:38.10 | coreix|imran | Coreix are recruiting two full-time bsd/linux technicians to work onsite at a datacentre in stratford,london - salary 21-23k (dependant on experience) - pm me for more info or send cv to imran@coreix.net |
| 15:38.29 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: think we could +q coreix|imran ... alindeman might like to see too |
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| 15:38.42 | FieldySnuts | HAHA that's low pay |
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| 15:39.15 | FieldySnuts | that pay might get him a 12 year old. |
| 15:39.31 | asg | FieldySnuts: depends on if they have a beer fridge onsite. |
| 15:39.31 | bob2 | yeah, I thgouth so |
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| 15:39.37 | bob2 | don't tube drivers get like 30k? |
| 15:39.38 | Phated | Maybe it's per month. :) |
| 15:39.43 | FieldySnuts | i'm an arse, time to send to abuse@ |
| 15:39.45 | petemc | 20k in london is pittance |
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| 15:40.12 | asg | petemc: he also didn't indicate it was in sterling either, could have been in Smarties(TM) |
| 15:40.14 | ColonelKernel | ok brb |
| 15:40.19 | petemc | heh |
| 15:40.39 | petemc | stupid place to advertise too |
| 15:41.16 | lilo | hmmm, f un |
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| 15:41.35 | bob2 | (s)he's whinging in /msg, too |
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| 15:42.18 | Rubberducky2 | is there a GUI version of deian? |
| 15:42.23 | Rubberducky2 | debian* |
| 15:42.28 | FieldySnuts | geez. |
| 15:42.29 | bob2 | I saw an ad for 90k for a sysadmin in the City the other day |
| 15:42.33 | bob2 | that's serious cash |
| 15:42.39 | bob2 | er, sysadmin team leader |
| 15:42.45 | FieldySnuts | i'm trying to get one for 67K right now |
| 15:42.53 | bob2 | Rubberducky2: debian is the gui version of debian |
| 15:43.19 | Rubberducky2 | ? |
| 15:43.25 | Rubberducky2 | i just have a doslike screen |
| 15:43.31 | asg | Rubberducky2: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 15:43.38 | Rubberducky2 | inwhich u can type cmds |
| 15:43.45 | Jhair | what? |
| 15:43.45 | Rubberducky2 | what? |
| 15:43.47 | Phated | Hahahahahah. |
| 15:43.51 | asg | hahahha |
| 15:43.56 | greycat | a cluebie says what? |
| 15:44.28 | asg | !tell Rubberducky2 about set up x |
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| 15:44.40 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 15:44.56 | gypsymauro | there is a way to use the new fpicker in mozilla firefox for sarge? |
| 15:45.06 | gypsymauro | the new gtk fpicker i mean |
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| 15:45.36 | honschu | greycat: I compiled a kernel and installed it sucsessfully. Now I hacked a bit in hid-lgff.c which belongs to the module usbhid - this module is what I want to recompile just to get the ko file. |
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| 15:46.01 | ColonelKernel | alright - twas a matter of plugins |
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| 15:46.06 | FieldySnuts | honschu: he already told you what choices you had at least an hour ago. |
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| 15:46.16 | ColonelKernel | much props on sarge though - fast, stable polished, very good job |
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| 15:46.20 | greycat | honschu: you could have rebuilt the whole thing already. |
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| 15:46.36 | honschu | greycat: is this the only possible way? |
| 15:46.42 | capu | how do i uninstall a program that i didn't install properly? |
| 15:46.42 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 15:46.43 | FieldySnuts | no. he's lying. |
| 15:47.02 | greycat | of course it's not the only way. but if you KNEW the hard way, you wouldn't have to ASK us. |
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| 15:47.11 | capu | is deleteing the folders adiquate? |
| 15:47.12 | de_mon | Hrm.. I'm having trouble installing python from stable |
| 15:47.15 | de_mon | http://rafb.net/paste/results/IN8C7554.html |
| 15:47.18 | greycat | and damned if I'm going to try to tell you. it's not even something I'd try myself. |
| 15:47.23 | bob2 | capu: you mean you installed it from source? |
| 15:47.30 | de_mon | /var/lib/dpkg/info/python2.3.postinst: line 49: 26062 Segmentation fault /usr/bin/python2.3 /usr/lib/python2.3/compileall.py -q $i |
| 15:47.35 | capu | im not sure what the hell i diid, but it doesn't work... bob2 |
| 15:47.42 | quittt | can Fluxbox and Blackbox use menus from the packages that are used in KDE and GNOME? |
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| 15:47.54 | capu | i tryed to install mplayer, dont ask how i managed to mess it up - i was drunk when i did it lol |
| 15:48.03 | bob2 | de_mon: that's bad |
| 15:48.08 | bob2 | de_mon: what architecture is this? |
| 15:48.20 | de_mon | i386 |
| 15:48.33 | de_mon | its a P166 |
| 15:48.51 | bob2 | I'd be guessing dodgy ram or disk, I think |
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| 15:49.03 | honschu | greycat: make drivers/usb/input/ |
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| 15:49.16 | f00bar | why does debian create a group for each user? |
| 15:49.20 | p30n | hello, i wonder why i cannot download mysql and tcl with apt-get install mysql/tcl |
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| 15:49.27 | stew | de_mon: you are trying to install python-2.3.5-3? pdo says that 2.3.5-2 is the lastest in sid |
| 15:49.31 | asg | f00bar: it's more secure that way |
| 15:49.31 | ColonelKernel | sweet |
| 15:49.33 | de_mon | dodgy? I can compile a working kernel from this machine |
| 15:49.35 | f00bar | asg: how? |
| 15:49.35 | bob2 | p30n: because those packages don't exist |
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| 15:49.44 | bob2 | p30n: do you mean mysql-server and tcl8.4? |
| 15:49.46 | ColonelKernel | now i gotta figure out how to set up webcam w windows in gnomemeeting and im set |
| 15:49.46 | de_mon | stew: installing from stable |
| 15:49.50 | p30n | bob2: they dont ? how am i supposed to get em then, |
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| 15:49.55 | stew | !info python2.3 sid |
| 15:50.02 | p30n | mysql 4.x and newest tcl yea |
| 15:50.03 | bob2 | p30n: those package names you guessed are wrong |
| 15:50.04 | dpkg | python2.3: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.3)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.3.5-6 (sid), Packaged size: 2839 kB, Installed size: 9408 kB |
| 15:50.05 | asg | f00bar: because people don't automatically get assigned to a group in which everyone belongs. If you want that functionality, you are, of course, able to do that. |
| 15:50.10 | stew | oh, hmm |
| 15:50.15 | bob2 | de_mon: I'd try running memtest86, myself |
| 15:50.23 | asg | f00bar: man addusers.conf |
| 15:50.32 | p30n | bob2: what should i type then ? i need to compile a lib called mysqltcl and that seems to require mysql and tcl |
| 15:50.54 | de_mon | hrm |
| 15:50.55 | bob2 | p30n: so, you should say that in your initial question |
| 15:51.05 | bob2 | p30n: also, mysqltcl is in Debian already |
| 15:51.12 | p30n | where is it then ? |
| 15:51.24 | bob2 | mysqltcl, two great tastes that taste like burning together |
| 15:51.24 | p30n | im running a few months old sarge |
| 15:51.38 | EdibleText | honschu, http://mail.nl.linux.org/kernelnewbies/2004-04/msg00198.html |
| 15:51.44 | bob2 | p30n: well, it's there |
| 15:51.49 | p30n | locate wont find it |
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| 15:52.20 | bob2 | what does locate have to do with it? |
| 15:52.23 | bob2 | you need to install it. |
| 15:52.31 | f00bar | asg: my friend (gentoo user) thinks that it is a misuse of groups |
| 15:52.54 | p30n | ok, well i found a *.gz file that was called something like mysqltcl, so thats what i need to gunzip and install then or ? |
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| 15:53.13 | asg | f00bar: then your friend shouldn't use that functionality; it isn't the law, just a default. |
| 15:53.21 | bob2 | p30n: no, ignore that. you've never installed a package on Debian before? |
| 15:53.48 | Rubberducky2 | when i want to isnatlle the graphcial stuff in debian with command apt-get install x-windows-system kdm kdebase it catn find the package |
| 15:53.55 | Rubberducky2 | waht to i do wrong? |
| 15:53.57 | asg | f00bar: you might get a more definitive discussion by searching the archives for debian-devel |
| 15:54.02 | p30n | bob2: yea i have installed stuff, but im a real noob tho, i use apt-get install and i have got maybe 5 things to work that i had to ./configure etc... |
| 15:54.09 | asg | Rubberducky2: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 15:54.12 | bob2 | p30n: ok, you seem very confused |
| 15:54.17 | Rubberducky2 | me? |
| 15:54.18 | p30n | bob2: im sorry |
| 15:54.19 | bob2 | p30n: you don't need to comile anything |
| 15:54.23 | p30n | ok |
| 15:54.26 | bob2 | p30n: sudo apt-get install mysqltcl |
| 15:54.50 | p30n | ok, mysqltcl is already the newest version, it said |
| 15:54.53 | asg | Rubberducky2: try #debian-kde then |
| 15:55.05 | bob2 | p30n: then you already have it installed |
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| 15:55.43 | greycat | Rubberducky2: x-window-system only has two "s"s in it. |
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| 15:55.57 | bob2 | p30n: if you want the mysql server, install the mysql-server package, etc |
| 15:55.59 | p30n | bob2: well i have a third party script thing, that is asking for the path "to the MySQLTcl v3.0 library." |
| 15:56.12 | p30n | thats why i need it, and i need the path to the lib |
| 15:56.28 | bob2 | p30n: /usr/lib, I'd guess |
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| 15:57.02 | jasoncohen | p30n, read this howto - http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html |
| 15:57.07 | jair | anyone here use chatzilla???? |
| 15:57.14 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 15:57.14 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 15:57.25 | jasoncohen | p30n, and this apt howto will give you more indepth information and examples- http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
| 15:57.39 | jair | hahaha |
| 15:57.47 | bob2 | we're sgeigerbot-less |
| 15:57.51 | bob2 | and have been for a long time |
| 15:57.57 | jair | bob2: how are you? |
| 15:57.58 | p30n | bob2: ok i found it, but afaik its v2.30, but apt-get said i already have the newest version, but the script is asking for the 3.0 lib |
| 15:58.00 | asg | bob2: yeah |
| 15:58.04 | JRlinux | Hello. Once tried installing Debian 3.0 r1 but had trouble... Are the latest versions more newby friendly? |
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| 15:58.21 | jasoncohen | p30n, dpkg -L package will tell you what files a package has |
| 15:58.28 | MrJung_- | kennt jemand nen forum wo rechtliche sachen (kündigungen) besprochen werden ? |
| 15:58.30 | bob2 | p30n: guess you'll have to compile it then, if it really needs 3.0 |
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| 15:58.35 | p30n | ok |
| 15:58.36 | jasoncohen | conversely, if you need to find a package based on a file, apt-file search filename |
| 15:58.36 | jair | bob2: I was trying to add a new server here but was kind of hassle I will have to read the chatzilla documentation |
| 15:58.37 | LSorensen | JRlinux: yes |
| 15:58.39 | p30n | well ill try with this bversion |
| 15:58.41 | capu | can someone help me install mplayer? it says to open configure, make and then make install... but it hasn't installed the files it needs (I checked with a locate command) |
| 15:58.42 | bob2 | p30n: what on earth are you doing with TCL, tho? |
| 15:58.44 | bob2 | jair: hi |
| 15:58.49 | asg | capu: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 15:58.56 | p30n | bob2: a lil this n that ;p |
| 15:58.57 | otroean | hi. I have deleted a ntfs prtition on hda that was called hda5 and made a linux partition called hda5. How can i format it? I used fdisk to partition it... |
| 15:59.01 | MrJung_- | sorry bad channel |
| 15:59.02 | capu | thanks asg |
| 15:59.21 | LSorensen | JRlinux: of course crap hardware without linux support is always a problem that nothing can fix (short of those manufacturers becoming friendly) |
| 15:59.21 | bob2 | otroean: mkfs |
| 15:59.28 | otroean | ok thnx |
| 15:59.32 | bob2 | otroean: be very very careful, tho, it will destroy whatever you point it at |
| 15:59.57 | jair | bob2: I am having this situation |
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| 16:00.07 | jasoncohen | capu, why not just use marillat's mplayer? |
| 16:00.10 | bob2 | jair: I don't use chatzilla, sorry |
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| 16:00.43 | JRlinux | LSorenson. Thanks. This old AMD k6 machine has an auxiliary HD controller that some distributions (Like Mepis) cannot find. Knoppix finds it... I guess I would have to try a pure Debian installation to find out if it would find the hd. |
| 16:00.45 | Dragon_Eater | how can i see all file permissions in a directory again? |
| 16:00.47 | jasoncohen | capu, marillat also has w32codecs which you'll need to get support for wmv, quicktime etc. |
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| 16:00.52 | bob2 | dorijan: ls -l? |
| 16:00.54 | jair | bob2: my R51 IBM do not want to turn off when I run the command halt or shutdown- h now, it stay running the battery, fan, and the wireless. |
| 16:01.10 | bob2 | jair: try loading the "ac" module |
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| 16:01.17 | jair | bob2: I have to turn it off with the on/off botton pressing it for 5 sec |
| 16:01.29 | Leusha | hi |
| 16:01.33 | Leusha | i've a problem |
| 16:01.37 | bob2 | I think that's what does it on my x40, anyway |
| 16:01.42 | Leusha | i'm ban on #debian-fr and i dunno why |
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| 16:01.56 | greycat | probably because of aol |
| 16:01.57 | Leusha | [18:00:41] #debian-fr unable to join channel (address is banned) |
| 16:02.06 | Leusha | hum |
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| 16:02.19 | greycat | 12:02 0 - #debian-fr: ban *!*@*.ipt.aol.com [by ballard.freenode.net, 2623763 |
| 16:02.41 | FieldySnuts | good ban |
| 16:02.50 | Leusha | can you tell them i'd like to join ? ^^ |
| 16:02.51 | jair | bob2: wait this is what a guruji toldme, that I should go a check if the apm and acpi are running together (they shouldn't) and then also to check the "APM_REALMODE_POWER_OFF=y" |
| 16:02.52 | FieldySnuts | dalnet once did that network wide. that was great |
| 16:02.53 | crappledev | GASP aol! |
| 16:02.55 | jasoncohen | does dpkg have info on mplayer's legal status? |
| 16:02.57 | otroean | bob2 : can you help with the command line using mkfs to format hda5? |
| 16:03.00 | JRlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.01 | FieldySnuts | twice actually |
| 16:03.09 | jair | bob2: I am not screeming ok it is the command in caps |
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| 16:03.12 | greycat | jasoncohen: oh yeah, I'd trust a bot for legal advice. |
| 16:03.12 | jair | ;) |
| 16:03.21 | bob2 | otroean: mkfs -t whatever /dev/hda5 |
| 16:03.26 | crappledev | FieldySnuts: Like 3 or 4 years ago right? |
| 16:03.29 | FieldySnuts | any IRC opers round here? got some info you might wanna know (minor) |
| 16:03.30 | bob2 | otroean: where whatever is ext3, vfat, whatever you like |
| 16:03.31 | otroean | thnx |
| 16:03.33 | jasoncohen | greycat, lol, i mean - some info on why it can't be packaged by debian |
| 16:03.46 | bob2 | jair: I'd try the ac module first |
| 16:03.48 | jair | bob2: but that line of file is on the kernel configuration file. |
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| 16:03.54 | bob2 | jair: then look into more complicated stuff like that |
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| 16:04.15 | capu | i just want a basic, easy to use media player... with all the codecs |
| 16:04.22 | capu | anyone got suggestions? |
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| 16:04.30 | jair | bob2: ok how could I check weather or not the ac is installed ?? or the ac is running it needs a driver ??? |
| 16:04.32 | bob2 | capu: mplayer |
| 16:04.36 | bob2 | jair: lsmod | grep ac |
| 16:04.39 | asg | capu: mplayer |
| 16:04.46 | capu | bob2: i've got that.... i cant install it for some reason |
| 16:04.49 | jair | bob2: ok |
| 16:04.51 | otroean | bob2 : what is recomended to use for a disk just to save data? |
| 16:04.58 | capu | it's telling me to use file that dont exist on my disk |
| 16:04.59 | asg | capu: follow the factoid's directions (/msg dpkg mplayer) |
| 16:05.01 | bob2 | capu: you tried the packages from marillat? |
| 16:05.17 | bob2 | capu: so, follow the instructions asg has pointed you at twice now, it's simple and doesn't require you to compile anything |
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| 16:05.25 | proti | morning |
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| 16:05.29 | bob2 | otroean: do you care if other operating systems can read it? (ie windows) |
| 16:05.31 | Leusha | nobody can tell #debian-fr to deban me ? |
| 16:05.52 | jethro | Leusha: not really. |
| 16:06.11 | Leusha | arf |
| 16:06.15 | jethro | Leusha: we can do it, that doesn't mean they will unban |
| 16:06.17 | Leusha | they're really stupid |
| 16:06.20 | Jhair | Leusha: many could, but #debian-fr will not hear them, why should they? |
| 16:06.21 | otroean | bob 2 : no, I just have linux on it. I want Windows to find it over samba but not as dualboot... |
| 16:06.26 | jethro | Leusha: aol users can be a great annoyance |
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| 16:06.53 | bob2 | otroean: ext3 is a good one to go with then |
| 16:06.54 | Jhair | well I don't have anything against AOL-users but against AOL-CDs... |
| 16:07.06 | silverwolf | What is the address to see packet status, want to check what the newest version of gnome is |
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| 16:07.11 | otroean | bob2 : thnx alot... |
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| 16:07.44 | jasoncohen | capu, add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main to your /etc/apt/sources.list. then run apt-get update ; apt-get install mplayer-386 w32codecs. replace etch with sarge if you're using sarge. |
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| 16:07.56 | f00bar | how do I set the default group for a user? |
| 16:08.08 | jair | bob2: http://rafb.net/paste/results/7ldV7V90.html |
| 16:08.31 | jasoncohen | capu, you might also want to install xine-ui and kaffeine as well as mozilla-mplayer or kaffeine-mplayer (i peronally prefer the latter) |
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| 16:08.38 | bob2 | jair: ok, I don't know then, sorry |
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| 16:08.47 | Leusha | ok thx for your help ^^ |
| 16:08.48 | jair | ok |
| 16:08.49 | bob2 | jair: I'd find the acpi users mailing list and ask there, I Suppose |
| 16:08.53 | jair | thank you anyway |
| 16:08.58 | jair | ok |
| 16:09.01 | bob2 | jair: oh, and file a bug on the Debian kernel-image package you're using |
| 16:09.29 | proti | I recently have some problem with irssi. # get changed, characters got eaten from the display (inside a screen). I need to C^L to redisplay the chars. Has anyone seen anything like that. |
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| 16:10.03 | petemc | proti: i used to have issues with gnome terminal + irssi + screen , seems fixed now tho |
| 16:10.12 | jasoncohen | proti, have you checked BTS? reportbug irssi |
| 16:10.21 | FieldySnuts | i mailed the network of that job recruit spammer from earlier, response "There is no rules forbidding advertising of job vacancies on freenode. This has been confirmed with a chat with an freenode helper/staff member. Therefore this is not unsolicited spam." it appears to come from the same person who did the post. |
| 16:10.28 | jair | guys how could I access to the kernel configurations? |
| 16:10.42 | proti | Not yet. Seems to be a bug in curses (multibyte bug` |
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| 16:10.45 | FieldySnuts | i'd talk to a staffer but it just isn't worth th ebother to me, less he comes back (I have a very hard time believing that) |
| 16:10.47 | jethro | FieldySnuts: hah |
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| 16:10.55 | incorrect_ | hi |
| 16:11.01 | stouse1 | Morning. |
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| 16:11.13 | greycat | jair: /boot/config-* |
| 16:11.16 | jasoncohen | jaiger, make menuconfig or make xconfig in /usr/src/linux |
| 16:11.18 | bob2 | FieldySnuts: that's almost word-for-word what he/she said to me in /msg |
| 16:11.21 | WillR | is there a debian package for IBS? |
| 16:11.22 | jair | I need to go check this line somewhere there about the apm: "APM_REALMODE_POWER_OFF=y" |
| 16:11.29 | bob2 | people still use IBS? |
| 16:11.31 | FieldySnuts | if you have a problem you could contact abuse@coreix.net which is what he responded to me from |
| 16:11.39 | proti | jasoncohen: nothing on the bts. |
| 16:11.40 | FieldySnuts | f-in spammers |
| 16:11.40 | jair | greycat: thank you very much |
| 16:11.42 | WillR | (bob2): is there something better? |
| 16:11.44 | bob2 | (asuming that's the intel SCO binary compatibiltity thing) |
| 16:11.45 | madclicker | how do i dissable "leave message on server" for pop3 protocol? |
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| 16:12.04 | proti | petemc: What kind of problem and how and when did you solve them ? |
| 16:12.29 | stouset | madclicker: What mail client? |
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| 16:12.44 | petemc | proti: screen would go all blue, i didnt fix it - i assume some gnome/debian/screen/irrsi developer did |
| 16:13.21 | madclicker | stouset: sarge running popa3d server and ms outlook exress clients, btw i want to disable the option on the server. thx |
| 16:13.30 | WillR | (bob2): ???? |
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| 16:13.45 | stouset | madclicker: AFAIK, you can't disable the option on the server. |
| 16:13.47 | bob2 | WillR: this is the intel binary compatbility thing? |
| 16:13.49 | FieldySnuts | !fuck express |
| 16:13.51 | stouset | madclicker: That's the client's responsibility. |
| 16:14.09 | WillR | ibs? .....billing program... |
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| 16:14.22 | Morti | Irritable Bowel Syndrome? |
| 16:14.25 | ha1331 | how can I release ip in debian |
| 16:14.28 | proti | petemc: Not same as mine. the screen gets borked completely. As if there was a off-by-one error on the stream (it happens essentially when displaying ansi codes highlights). |
| 16:14.33 | greycat | ha1331: reboot |
| 16:14.34 | stouset | madclicker: If you were to somehow disable it on the server, the clients wouldn't have any way of knowing that. They wouldn't store the data, and the next time they want to retrieve it, it'll be gone. |
| 16:14.44 | madclicker | stoutdet: long time ago i was with sympatico, and whenever i checked "leave message on the server" it didn't |
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| 16:14.51 | greycat | ha1331: and stop being a warez troll kiddie |
| 16:14.56 | bob2 | WillR: ah, sorry, my mistake |
| 16:14.56 | petemc | proti: could be an encoding thing? you using utf8? |
| 16:15.03 | ha1331 | greycat: what? |
| 16:15.10 | WillR | kk np.. cant find a package name |
| 16:15.17 | proti | No, plain ISO-8859-1 |
| 16:15.26 | greycat | ha1331: that's the only reason people ever ask how to release their DHCP assigned addresses and get new ones. because they did something bad and were banned/etc. |
| 16:15.26 | data | ha1331: what do you mean by release ip? |
| 16:15.28 | stouset | madclicker: Then they probably controlled your POP client. |
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| 16:16.42 | ha1331 | greycat: having mysterious problem... I get ip just fine, if boot from usb-stick, if I boot from hd(to gentoo) no luck. I just want to test if it has something to do with my isp's limitations (only 5 ip's per customer) |
| 16:16.45 | madclicker | stouset: thats a big problem with pop3, clients fiddling with settings causes 1000's of duplicate messages over the weekend, if its set to pool every 5 minutes. If I tell them why you checked "leave copy on server" they tell me they didnt do it. It blows |
| 16:17.07 | FieldySnuts | ha1331: oh go away already. you're not even in the right channel. |
| 16:17.21 | Jhair | if you need "leave copy on server" then use IMAP and not POP3 |
| 16:17.29 | ha1331 | FieldySnuts: why not. Usb-stick is debian? |
| 16:17.37 | ha1331 | my question was about debian |
| 16:17.39 | FieldySnuts | !confuse ha1331 |
| 16:17.40 | dpkg | Yes, who is our mushroom yesterday, ha1331? shirts of the republic of tibet with extra cream |
| 16:17.45 | ColonelKernel | ok - now i need to get my gnomemeeting picture smaller so I can broadcast to winders |
| 16:17.47 | jasoncohen | that's odd. the apt howto says that apt-cache show package lists the installed version last. apt-cache show package lists the newest version first for me which in this case is the installed verison. |
| 16:18.00 | bob2 | jasoncohen: bug! |
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| 16:18.22 | jasoncohen | bob2, sarcasm? .. more likely old documentation i would think |
| 16:18.22 | bob2 | jasoncohen: I always end up using 'apt-cache polocy foo' instead, tho |
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| 16:18.35 | bob2 | jasoncohen: oh, no, I'm serious; if the docs don't match behaviour, it's a but |
| 16:18.41 | jasoncohen | oh, ok |
| 16:18.49 | bob2 | er, bug |
| 16:18.50 | bob2 | it's late |
| 16:18.52 | ha1331 | where is the anger coming from? Why cant you just tell me how to release the ip? |
| 16:18.53 | bob2 | and I need tea |
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| 16:19.28 | Spec | ha1331: reboot |
| 16:19.31 | FieldySnuts | you get the dhcp client to ask the server to release it and give youa new lease (IP). the server doesn't have to do that. |
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| 16:19.48 | FieldySnuts | quite litrally asking |
| 16:19.56 | Spec | yeah |
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| 16:20.11 | stouset | FieldySnuts: In fact, a lot of DHCP servers nowadays give the same IP back to you, if it was recent and the IP is still available. |
| 16:20.23 | stouset | FieldySnuts: Not a damn thing you can do about it. |
| 16:20.24 | Spec | yeap |
| 16:20.30 | ha1331 | FieldySnuts: I dont need new ip... would be quite peachy, if I'dd get the same one for the other system |
| 16:20.32 | Spec | unless you own the dhcp server |
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| 16:20.44 | Spec | ha1331: try dhclient eth0 |
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| 16:20.50 | ha1331 | Spec: thanks |
| 16:20.53 | Spec | ha1331: and if that doesn't work; go away :) |
| 16:21.06 | bob2 | you could be evil and tell him/her to run dhclient with no arguments |
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| 16:21.15 | EdibleText | ha1331, chances are youll be reassignd the same ip becuase the MAC is that same for the usb-stick and laptop (same nic) |
| 16:21.27 | Spec | you can change the MAC |
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| 16:21.29 | FieldySnuts | stouset: i know this, i admin some |
| 16:21.31 | dca[laptop] | hi all |
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| 16:21.56 | ha1331 | EdibleText: that would be nice, no problem with that. Not lookng for new ip... Just want to get some ip. |
| 16:22.04 | dca[laptop] | i got this error on apt-get install foo : dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. |
| 16:22.08 | FieldySnuts | i thought he said new ip in the beginning, shrug |
| 16:22.16 | Spec | dca[laptop]: did you su - ? |
| 16:22.24 | dca[laptop] | Spec: i'm in as root |
| 16:22.29 | Spec | dca[laptop]: did you log in as root or su? |
| 16:22.38 | dca[laptop] | Spec: logged in as root |
| 16:22.41 | FieldySnuts | guess not, nevermind |
| 16:22.45 | Spec | you know you're not supposed to log in as root? |
| 16:22.55 | bob2 | your $PATH is fucked |
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| 16:22.56 | ha1331 | FieldySnuts: maybe you should read what somene writes... |
| 16:22.57 | dca[laptop] | Spec: call me risky ;) |
| 16:23.01 | bob2 | paste the output of "echo $PATH" |
| 16:23.07 | Spec | well, ldconfig not being found = $PATH fuckynses |
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| 16:23.18 | Spec | excuse my american_english |
| 16:23.21 | Silicon | i've got an external ieee1394 firewire harddrive and it used to be automounted but somehow it broke and now it won't automount, the kernel still detects it though, anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:23.23 | bob2 | or the disk is fucked |
| 16:23.24 | FieldySnuts | ha1331: i went back and read, which is far more than Ibother for most people. feel privilaged. |
| 16:23.28 | dca[laptop] | bob2 /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 16:23.30 | FieldySnuts | !lart ha1331 |
| 16:23.31 | WillR | anyone ever seen this error? "ImportError: No module named pg" |
| 16:23.37 | stouset | Silicon: What are you using to automount? |
| 16:23.38 | EdibleText | ha1331, I suspect that your netowrking setup on the usb is borked. it should 'just work' |
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| 16:23.39 | bob2 | dca[laptop]: there you go, someone broke that |
| 16:23.45 | bob2 | dca[laptop]: it should include /sbin |
| 16:23.49 | Silicon | the default stuff that comes with sarge |
| 16:23.50 | stouset | WillR: You have to tell us what actually caused the error. |
| 16:24.00 | Silicon | what is it hotplug and udev or.. |
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| 16:24.17 | dca[laptop] | bob2, can i export PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/sbin ? |
| 16:24.23 | bob2 | yes |
| 16:24.25 | asg | WillR: you need the python postgres module |
| 16:24.26 | stouset | Silicon: None of those automount =P |
| 16:24.30 | stouset | Silicon: Do you use GNOME? |
| 16:24.31 | bob2 | but you need to find out why it's screwed to begin with |
| 16:24.34 | Silicon | yes |
| 16:24.41 | Spec | dca[laptop]: export PATH=$PATH:/sbin |
| 16:24.41 | greycat | dca[laptop]: please get a unix book. |
| 16:24.44 | stouset | dca[laptop]: That won't persist after you log out, though. |
| 16:24.49 | asg | WillR: python2.x-pygresql (s/x/2|3|4/) |
| 16:24.50 | dca[laptop] | bob2: pretty sure i know why |
| 16:25.00 | dca[laptop] | i'll edit .profile so that it stays good |
| 16:25.04 | jasoncohen | how well does auto-apt work? usually i'm lucky enough to be able to do apt-get build-dep package |
| 16:25.04 | ha1331 | EdibleText: it just works. If I boot from the stick, I get ip (the same one I got before[quite happy with it]) problem is, that if I boot from hd there is no ip's left, all 5 assigned. |
| 16:25.07 | Silicon | i need to reinstall that gnome- app you think? |
| 16:25.09 | stouset | dca[laptop]: Why was it borked in the first place? |
| 16:25.19 | f00bar | where do people stand on capitalising the initial letter of filenames |
| 16:25.20 | stouset | Silicon: I'm asking if you run GNOME. |
| 16:25.23 | greycat | he's editing .profile? meaning he HAS a .profile? meaning he's root? |
| 16:25.25 | asg | f00bar: boo hiss |
| 16:25.26 | Silicon | yes i am running gnome |
| 16:25.27 | jethro | !lart ha1331 |
| 16:25.29 | dca[laptop] | stouset: someone change it to fix something else (lazy fix) |
| 16:25.30 | greycat | he *logged in* as root? |
| 16:25.33 | FieldySnuts | f00bar: personal preferance. i say no, just irritating in the *nix world |
| 16:25.34 | stouset | f00bar: It depends. |
| 16:25.35 | Spec | f00bar: depends on what type of filename you're talking about |
| 16:25.43 | Spec | greycat: yeah, i told him it was stupid; he said he liked risks or some stupid shit like that |
| 16:25.46 | dca[laptop] | grecat: yes, i'm riscky |
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| 16:25.52 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 16:26.01 | FieldySnuts | !aussiesmite ha1331 |
| 16:26.02 | Spec | it's not the risk that's the problem; it's the work entailed in fixing the problem once it happens |
| 16:26.02 | dpkg | ha1331: godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell |
| 16:26.02 | f00bar | well, my friend always capitilises his directory names |
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| 16:26.03 | stouset | dca[laptop]: Interesting. |
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| 16:26.09 | f00bar | he has /data/Software |
| 16:26.09 | EdibleText | !pal |
| 16:26.10 | dpkg | somebody said pal was a video format where NTSC isn't used |
| 16:26.11 | f00bar | which annoys me |
| 16:26.12 | Spec | and it's also us having to hear about it when you're system breaks and you need it fixed |
| 16:26.14 | batumi | help |
| 16:26.14 | dca[laptop] | wow, okay, thank you for the help, i'll stop out before getting to flamed |
| 16:26.15 | WillR | (asg): how d i install the module? |
| 16:26.17 | stouset | f00bar: And? |
| 16:26.17 | EdibleText | bah |
| 16:26.17 | jethro | FieldySnuts: what brigalow suckers? |
| 16:26.20 | greycat | !pal EdibleText |
| 16:26.23 | jethro | s/what/what's/ |
| 16:26.29 | FieldySnuts | !irritate * |
| 16:26.30 | dpkg | *: hi every1 who uses cable thx |
| 16:26.39 | asg | WillR: apt-get install python2.x-pygresql (s/x/2|3|4/ depending on your python version) |
| 16:26.45 | Spec | !irritate FieldySnuts |
| 16:26.45 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Y iz debain so old? how can I make my libranet werkz lol |
| 16:26.55 | FieldySnuts | heh libranet |
| 16:26.58 | jethro | U FUX0RZ LOLOL |
| 16:26.58 | Spec | libranet :p |
| 16:27.08 | Spec | I never liked libranet |
| 16:27.13 | stouset | f00bar: Name your directories however the hell you want to. |
| 16:27.15 | WillR | thx |
| 16:27.17 | f00bar | well, it comes down to religious issues |
| 16:27.18 | f00bar | indeed |
| 16:27.22 | stouset | Spec: Clearly you are a communist. |
| 16:27.29 | Azar | I guess I need to reboot so the " setterm -powersave off " to take effect |
| 16:27.31 | Spec | stouset: it's true :-/ |
| 16:27.37 | f00bar | but we have a shared machine, so these things are crossing over now :p |
| 16:27.41 | asg | f00bar: or a previous bout of Windows brainwashing |
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| 16:27.41 | jetx | !reboot |
| 16:27.42 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 16:27.52 | jetx | !qotd2 |
| 16:27.53 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 16:28.00 | stouset | f00bar: And religious issues usually boil down to, "whatever lets you sleep at night" |
| 16:28.02 | Spec | f00bar: you gotta capatalize every other letter |
| 16:28.14 | Azar | well, it did not work, my monitor still goes to sleep every 30 min |
| 16:28.22 | Spec | my computer randomly rebooted the other day |
| 16:28.32 | Spec | apparantly i have something installed that monitors the temp and reboots it at 93degrees C |
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| 16:28.42 | stew | thats not random then |
| 16:28.45 | Spec | err, shuts it down* |
| 16:28.48 | jetx | i kept getting lockups in quake3 the other day... i ripped out alsa, no more lockups |
| 16:28.49 | stouset | Spec: 93 degrees C? |
| 16:28.50 | asg | Spec: I should hope so |
| 16:28.50 | Spec | well, it said system goin down and didn't tell me why |
| 16:29.04 | stouset | Spec: The fuck were you doing, melting lead? |
| 16:29.06 | Spec | I have no idea what program is monitoring it though (gentoo, so not gonna discuss it further) |
| 16:29.12 | data | stouset: celcius. The commie temperature unit |
| 16:29.14 | Spec | i was compiling three things with my laptop on my bed (no ventilation) |
| 16:29.18 | FieldySnuts | data: haha |
| 16:29.22 | stouset | data: I should have known! |
| 16:29.25 | FieldySnuts | !gentoosmite Spec |
| 16:29.31 | Spec | hehehehe |
| 16:29.38 | stouset | Spec: Yeah, I ended up toasting my laptop over time due to leaving it on the bed. |
| 16:29.39 | FieldySnuts | I'm a gentoo user too I'm alowed hehe |
| 16:29.41 | Spec | i use debian for real stuff ;) |
| 16:29.43 | bob2 | Spec: most temperature sensors in pcs aren't properly calibrated |
| 16:29.48 | bob2 | and need to be multiplied to be correct |
| 16:29.51 | Spec | bob2: oh no, it was hot as shit |
| 16:29.57 | stouset | Spec: Thankfully Dell replaced *every single component of the laptop except for the memory, hard drive, and bottom shell case* for free. |
| 16:29.57 | FieldySnuts | lm_sensors usually comes completely borked sensor wise |
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| 16:30.05 | Spec | bob2: i grabbed underneath the laptop and burnt my fingers |
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| 16:30.17 | Spec | stouset: nice |
| 16:30.19 | FieldySnuts | yeah Dell, as much as they are bashed, is very very good about dealing with in-warranty repairs |
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| 16:30.26 | Spec | stouset: i have an acer |
| 16:30.33 | Spec | it's not covered by 'acts of god' in the warranty ^.^ |
| 16:30.37 | Azar | I wish I could use Debian for real stuff... only if I could figure out what real stuff is.. |
| 16:30.42 | stouset | Spec: They replaced the LCD, motherboard, processor, keyboard, touchpad, top portion of the case, the case around the LCD, and a few other things =P |
| 16:30.58 | Spec | Azar: services for my company which rely on 24/7/36[5-6] uptime |
| 16:31.05 | Spec | Azar: as opposed to home-use where i just fuck around with gentoo |
| 16:31.06 | FieldySnuts | just don't tell em you run linux on it they'll be like "LOLZ END OF WARRANTy' |
| 16:31.17 | stouset | FieldySnuts: I did, actually. |
| 16:31.19 | Azar | oh I see |
| 16:31.20 | Spec | stouset: and they didn't wipe your harddrive? they kept the original? |
| 16:31.32 | stouset | FieldySnuts: They're great about it. They have a boot CD that runs diagnostics, so they don't need Windows. |
| 16:31.40 | stouset | Spec: They sent someone to my house to replace everything. |
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| 16:31.47 | Spec | stouset: that's crazy talk |
| 16:32.05 | Spec | stouset: we had a server's power supply die (dell), and we got a new one the very next day...i was pretty impressed |
| 16:32.17 | Spec | I always figured it'd take 4-5 days to get a critical component :p |
| 16:32.19 | stouset | Spec: Yeah, Dell's maintenance policies are crazy. |
| 16:32.40 | FieldySnuts | i install a lot of customer systems (basic stuff) which are dells, only had one thing ever go bad, a disk, and they had it there that day |
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| 16:33.04 | Spec | yeah, i used to not like dell...then i realized how good their support was :p |
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| 16:33.16 | FieldySnuts | not fond of their hardware but oh well |
| 16:33.21 | FieldySnuts | build our own servers here |
| 16:33.28 | Spec | i likes me dell servers :p |
| 16:33.30 | omry | hi, I have a debian box that started to freeze more and more recently. I didn't change any hardware. the box mostly acts as an http server. when it crashes it totally dies, stops responding even to ssh connections. any hints how to figure out what's wrong? |
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| 16:33.40 | Spec | omry: yeah |
| 16:33.41 | LinkinTurk | hello |
| 16:33.45 | Spec | omry: recompile your kernel a few times |
| 16:33.45 | FieldySnuts | omry: overheating, bad ram, bad power supply |
| 16:33.57 | LinkinTurk | i setup debian sarge at first time.. |
| 16:34.01 | cmihai | omry: well, try a "memtest86" on it. |
| 16:34.07 | omry | FieldySnuts, I just opened it, all fans seems to work. |
| 16:34.07 | Spec | omry: if, when recompiling your kernel (don't actually install it), it fails at -different- compiling tests, then it's probably bad memory |
| 16:34.11 | stouset | Spec: The funny thing was, I was on the phone with them after they'd decided to go ahead and get all the replacement parts. They were like, "Was your computer involved in any accidents recently?" "No, not that I can think of." "Are you sure? Because if it was, then it's covered under your CompleteCare protection policy. You know, if your spouse accidentally spilled coffee on it, or it fell off the back of your car, or whatever. If so, it's all covered 100% |
| 16:34.16 | LinkinTurk | where i will change resolition?? |
| 16:34.20 | EdibleText | omry, inspect the fans and fins |
| 16:34.22 | Spec | omry: memtest86 isn't as good as recompiling your kernel to check for memory, memtest86 misses lots of bad memory |
| 16:34.25 | FieldySnuts | agree with memtest86, give it a minimum of 8 hours. pay attention to tests #5 and #6, when i've seen problems, it's those that cause bad ram to freak |
| 16:34.47 | Spec | compiling kernel = win for mem testing |
| 16:34.56 | bob2 | hah |
| 16:34.56 | cmihai | omry: Do a full meonry test. See if the cpu is heating up, check the BIOS settings, remove all hardware and clean it nice, check the cables, etc. After a while, a bit of hardware maintence is ok :) |
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| 16:35.02 | stouset | Spec: So *that's* what Gentoo is for. |
| 16:35.03 | FieldySnuts | if it's a fast system it won't take long enough |
| 16:35.08 | stouset | Spec: Gentoo is a hardware test. |
| 16:35.09 | bob2 | mozilla compiles are good, too |
| 16:35.12 | Azar | LinkinTurk dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree68 in root at command line |
| 16:35.13 | Spec | stouset: that's awesome |
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| 16:35.20 | Spec | stouset: (finally read the above thing, coffee etc) |
| 16:35.20 | FieldySnuts | openoffice compiles (runs) |
| 16:35.34 | omry | cmihai, Spec, thanks. I`ll try these things. |
| 16:35.37 | Spec | stouset: actually, gentoo is a pretty good way to test hardware, if you have a lot of spare time |
| 16:35.38 | stouset | Spec: :-) |
| 16:35.54 | Spec | when compiles fail in different areas, it's a hardware problem most the time |
| 16:35.57 | stouset | spec: Thank god I shelled out an extra hundred or so for their protection policy. It's beautiful. |
| 16:36.01 | data | gentoo tested my hardware as bad, so I stick with precompiled distros now |
| 16:36.07 | Spec | haha |
| 16:36.10 | stouset | data: rofl |
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| 16:36.24 | omry | btw: how can I recover the syslog after such a bad crash? after a reboot it will be overwritten, no? |
| 16:36.25 | Spec | i stick with debian for important things :p |
| 16:36.29 | Spec | and ubuntu...for family =p |
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| 16:36.35 | Azar | LinkinTurk: you have to exit X desktop, be in console mode at command line and be "root" , not user, then do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:36.40 | stouset | omry: Logs are never overwritten. Only appended to or rotated. |
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| 16:36.59 | dvogel | What is the name of the tool to duplicate a debian installation on another machine? |
| 16:37.04 | Spec | okay, lunch time -- i'll beb ack later |
| 16:37.05 | stouset | Azar: You know there are easier ways nowadays, right? |
| 16:37.07 | Spec | dvogel: FAI |
| 16:37.11 | Spec | dvogel: or mondo/mindi |
| 16:37.12 | stouset | Same here. Where you goin', Spec? |
| 16:37.12 | omry | stouset, I see. thanks. |
| 16:37.15 | Spec | dvogel: i suggest mondo/mindi |
| 16:37.17 | bob2 | dvogel: you can use dd for that |
| 16:37.27 | Spec | stouset: dunno yet, thousands of resturants to choose from in my area |
| 16:37.29 | Azar | strouset, honestly I told him what I know ... what are easier ways? |
| 16:37.38 | stouset | Azar: Well, X supports RAndR now. |
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| 16:37.45 | Silicon | hmm reinstalled gnome-volume-manager seemed to do a whole lot of nothing |
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| 16:37.50 | dvogel | I was looking for the official one. |
| 16:37.55 | samuel | is there any program, like orphaner, that you can tell it "keep these packages and only these and loose everything else" |
| 16:38.01 | stouset | Azar: So there are userspace tools to do it. GNOME comes with one. |
| 16:38.04 | Azar | strouset, interesting /me googling for that feature |
| 16:38.06 | stouset | dvogel: Define "official" |
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| 16:38.14 | stouset | samuel: "deborphan", "debfoster" |
| 16:38.28 | Azar | strouset, ah, GNOME, I never seen it so that explains my lack of knowledge |
| 16:38.35 | dvogel | stouset: "official" as in part of the dpkg/apt system. |
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| 16:38.47 | x^equa|s1 | what do ppl recommend for checking file system intergrity? |
| 16:38.49 | stouset | Use debfoster first. Use deborphan -an afterwards, but only remove things that you really don't need. Lot of false positives in deborphan -an |
| 16:38.52 | greycat | x^equa|s1: fsck |
| 16:39.06 | greycat | and "not using reiser" |
| 16:39.08 | samuel | stouset, thanks, is debfoster same as deborphaner? |
| 16:39.12 | stouset | Silicon: And it doesn't mount your removable media? |
| 16:39.18 | x^equa|s1 | i thinking more alot the lines of AIDE |
| 16:39.29 | stouset | samuel: debfoster is interactive, and asks questions. deborphan just gives you a lit of packages. |
| 16:39.39 | Silicon | stouset: nope but i can mount it manually |
| 16:39.43 | x^equa|s1 | along the lines...d'oh |
| 16:39.54 | stouset | Silicon: Hmmm...are you in the plugdev group |
| 16:40.08 | Silicon | stouset: nope |
| 16:40.09 | greycat | deborphan is really nice after an upgrade across distros |
| 16:40.16 | samuel | stouset, cause ive noticed that if you install certain packages (programs) deborphan seems to think those should not be on the list |
| 16:40.18 | stouset | Silicon: Add yourself to the plugdev group, log out and in. |
| 16:40.27 | greycat | just be sure not to remove any libs that your non-packaged programs require |
| 16:40.27 | Silicon | k |
| 16:40.28 | samuel | stouset, thanks |
| 16:40.55 | samuel | greycat, thanks, i had forgotten about that :) |
| 16:41.08 | stouset | dvogel: mondo and mindi are part of Debian |
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| 16:41.31 | stouset | greycat: non-packaged programs? |
| 16:41.37 | stouset | greycat: What are those? :-P |
| 16:41.45 | jetx | things you compiled yourself? |
| 16:42.02 | stouset | What is this "compile" you speak of |
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| 16:42.10 | jetx | things another distro installed? |
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| 16:42.26 | stouset | Isn't that what rm is for? :-P |
| 16:42.31 | jetx | com-pile, not related to dcompile |
| 16:42.42 | jetx | dcom-pile |
| 16:42.58 | greycat | it's like compost, but smellier. |
| 16:42.59 | jetx | nor, gomer pyle |
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| 16:43.36 | asg | !tell doojin about root |
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| 16:43.42 | jetx | being root is ghey |
| 16:43.46 | Silicon | stouset: actually I am in the plugdev group but i logged out and logged back in and still no go :( |
| 16:43.48 | dvogel | stouset: I know that they are part of the debian system. What I am looking for is a tool that writes the package statuses for one machine, along with the files for installed packages that have been changed since installation and gives you a package that you take to another machine. On the second machine you run the program on the package and it installs all of the packages via the apt system, then duplicates the file changes. |
| 16:43.51 | jetx | but not homosecual |
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| 16:43.54 | jetx | sexual |
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| 16:43.57 | joel | !gay |
| 16:43.58 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 16:43.58 | dan2 | asg! |
| 16:44.04 | greycat | !ghey |
| 16:44.04 | dpkg | methinks ghey is the same as "gay", you homophobe |
| 16:44.05 | jetx | i got your gay |
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| 16:44.07 | pipegeek | Hey. So, I'm trying to mount an smb share from another domain. Looking around online suggests I use the -D option to smbmount, but says that that option is invalid. How do I go about doing this? |
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| 16:44.11 | jetx | i'm HAPPY |
| 16:44.15 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 16:44.27 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 16:44.30 | SuperNull | is there a proper configuration file on debian to modify to force a NIC in full duplex mode? |
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| 16:44.45 | greycat | SuperNull: put an "up mii-tool ..." command in interfaces(5) |
| 16:44.47 | dan2 | asg: I'm dealing with java atm |
| 16:44.47 | FieldySnuts | you can't force if it the hardware on both sides, and the cable, can't handle it |
| 16:44.48 | bob2 | SuperNull: it's more or less a bug in something if it doesn't autodetect |
| 16:44.52 | greycat | SuperNull: in other words, no. |
| 16:45.01 | dan2 | asg: groovy and jython are nice workarounds for java |
| 16:45.07 | greycat | bob2: no. if the switch is set to 100FULL then the interface must also be set that way. |
| 16:45.12 | dan2 | asg: both compile their code to java bytecode which can be directly called from java |
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| 16:45.19 | jetx | why does everybody think homosexual when you call something gay? that's like prejudiced |
| 16:45.25 | greycat | bob2: and if you work here, none of the switches are EVER set to auto. it's their policy. |
| 16:45.31 | greycat | jetx: shut the fuck up. NOW. |
| 16:45.34 | asg | dan2: yes, I still get mad and want to throw things whenever I have to deal with java though. |
| 16:45.38 | bob2 | greycat: wtf |
| 16:45.46 | WillR | (asg): the python module wasnt installed...it is now. but im still getting sam error |
| 16:45.48 | dan2 | asg: NullPointerException! |
| 16:45.52 | jetx | sieg heil and all that then :( |
| 16:46.06 | greycat | oh now there's a great argument. |
| 16:46.09 | FieldySnuts | greycat: is there an advantage to havint the switches not set on auto? |
| 16:46.16 | FieldySnuts | greycat: only because of a successfull troll. |
| 16:46.19 | dan2 | asg: groovy and jython both provide type abstraction and function pointers, so its all god |
| 16:46.20 | dan2 | good |
| 16:46.22 | asg | WillR: hmm, you may want to consult #python for help debugging that one. |
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| 16:46.29 | FieldySnuts | ful. |
| 16:46.29 | asg | dan2: :) |
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| 16:46.31 | greycat | FieldySnuts: apparently someone at some point in the distant past decided that that was the best way for them to go. They're Cisco, by the way. |
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| 16:46.42 | FieldySnuts | oh so no actual reason |
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| 16:46.55 | stouset | greycat: I've heard of stuff like that before. |
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| 16:47.13 | Chaostrupp | hi |
| 16:47.30 | stouset | greycat: A guy I know with sysadmin experience used to work for a company as a programmer. But since he had administration experience, he knew the network admin there and helped out with some of the stuff. |
| 16:47.40 | dan2 | asg: I want an ocaml layer on java... super static typed with an abstract type system |
| 16:47.41 | samuel | anyone else here on unstable? |
| 16:47.52 | thomas_adam | samuel: What's your question? |
| 16:47.56 | asg | samuel: /msg dpkg sid faq, /msg dpkg bits |
| 16:48.05 | asg | dan2: you really like to torture yourself don't you :) |
| 16:48.11 | asg | s/bits/bts/ |
| 16:48.19 | FieldySnuts | if he uses java, then that's a given |
| 16:48.27 | FieldySnuts | if he LIKES it, ..... |
| 16:48.29 | greycat | FieldySnuts: I've heard that some old Cisco switches just didn't fucking work at all when they were in autodetect mode.... |
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| 16:48.34 | stouset | greycat: The guy did *everything* pedantically manually. All switches were set explicitly to a speed, and so was every network card in every machine. He said that the autonegotiation was unreliable. He also assigned every IP address in the thousand-person company manually, because he didn't trust DHCP. |
| 16:48.40 | samuel | thomas_adam, is it just me or do some repositories take longer than others to update? |
| 16:48.46 | asg | greycat: Extreme also has that problem. |
| 16:48.50 | FieldySnuts | some admin. |
| 16:48.54 | stouset | greycat: I have no clue how this guy ever actually got anything done. |
| 16:49.02 | thomas_adam | samuel: I couldn't say -- the one I use is fine. But there's so many, you can choose whichever you like. |
| 16:49.18 | FieldySnuts | sounds like an overpaid network janitor |
| 16:49.56 | samuel | thomas_adam, hmmm..... just wondering since the one in mexico seems abit old... but the one in the usa is abit slow here |
| 16:49.58 | thorie | is there a way to watch a log file? you know, instead of constantly typing cat /var/log, cat /var/log, cat /var/log, seeing if anything changes ? |
| 16:50.06 | asg | thorie: man tail |
| 16:50.09 | thomas_adam | thorie: tail -f |
| 16:50.13 | FieldySnuts | man tail or man xtail |
| 16:50.13 | OUTsider | tail -f <file> |
| 16:50.20 | thorie | thanks |
| 16:50.21 | FieldySnuts | xtail being more intelligent |
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| 16:50.26 | stouset | He also refused to install any software from packages because he wanted to give the source a glance to make sure there weren't any trojans or backdoors in it. |
| 16:50.40 | dan2 | asg: I mean, map(func,list) is impossible in java |
| 16:50.43 | dan2 | asg: val map : ('a -> 'b) -> 'a list -> 'b list = <fun> |
| 16:50.43 | FieldySnuts | that makes sense, until you can't do any damn thing else |
| 16:50.43 | OUTsider | lol, I knew someone doing it the same way |
| 16:50.48 | jetx | selinux would be his friend |
| 16:51.00 | greycat | stouset: 'grep backdoor *.c'? :) |
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| 16:51.03 | asg | dan2: then use python |
| 16:51.07 | LinkinTurk | hello |
| 16:51.17 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 16:51.18 | apt | Pakistan will get turned into a sheet of glass by Iran! |
| 16:51.18 | stouset | Because, you know, trojans inside software are usually something like, "/* HERE IS MY TROJAN */ if (user == "bobdole" && pass == "bobdole") ownzor_box(); |
| 16:51.29 | LinkinTurk | i have a problem for my screen resolition.. |
| 16:51.38 | LinkinTurk | its shown max 800*600 |
| 16:51.46 | greycat | let me guess. it's an S3. |
| 16:51.50 | FieldySnuts | ew. |
| 16:51.54 | Chaostrupp | does someone speak german here? |
| 16:51.56 | OUTsider | *puke* |
| 16:51.57 | greycat | !de |
| 16:51.57 | dpkg | well, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 16:51.57 | asg | !de |
| 16:51.59 | LinkinTurk | how i can do it 1024 * 768 |
| 16:52.00 | FieldySnuts | nein |
| 16:52.01 | FieldySnuts | i mean no |
| 16:52.01 | thomas_adam | Hmm. My S3 card works fine. :) |
| 16:52.05 | stouset | !de |
| 16:52.08 | stouset | FieldySnuts: Beat me to it. |
| 16:52.12 | greycat | LinkinTurk: you HAVE to give more details. |
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| 16:52.16 | jetx | google the monitors model #, bet the v & h refresh |
| 16:52.17 | LinkinTurk | ok |
| 16:52.17 | shingouz | !tell LinkinTurk about drxx |
| 16:52.22 | jetx | get |
| 16:52.29 | FieldySnuts | xpdyinfo | grep -i badger |
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| 16:52.35 | jetx | :( |
| 16:52.37 | FieldySnuts | or xdpyinfo whatever |
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| 16:52.42 | dan2 | asg: let rec map func list = match list with | [] -> []| [x] -> [func x]| h::t -> (func h) :: map func t;; |
| 16:52.45 | stouset | badger? =P |
| 16:52.46 | jetx | unhappy |
| 16:52.51 | bdoojin | I'm here |
| 16:52.51 | Chaostrupp | oke thx |
| 16:52.59 | FieldySnuts | i'm not here |
| 16:53.00 | doojin | huhuhu |
| 16:53.00 | asg | dan2: gah, might as just use Perl |
| 16:53.10 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: irritate doojin |
| 16:53.11 | dpkg | doojin: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh grafixx windows !!!! |
| 16:53.13 | doojin | someone help me install nvidia driver in debian |
| 16:53.22 | stouset | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:53.22 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 16:53.26 | dan2 | asg: thats pure type abstraction ;) |
| 16:53.31 | doojin | jesus christ |
| 16:53.38 | asg | dan2: heh |
| 16:53.38 | jetx | !tell doojin about msg |
| 16:53.40 | FieldySnuts | Yes, My Son? |
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| 16:53.54 | Azar | off-topic for the interested ones: The New C Standard - free ebook for C coders http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24092 |
| 16:54.06 | stouset | Haha, reminds me of some Gentoo joke. |
| 16:54.06 | dan2 | asg: # map string_of_int [4;5;6;3;2;3];; - : string list = ["4"; "5"; "6"; "3"; "2"; "3"] |
| 16:54.10 | asg | FieldySnuts: http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=494 |
| 16:54.14 | FieldySnuts | no thanks |
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| 16:54.27 | doojin | !tell doojin oneliner |
| 16:54.34 | FieldySnuts | can ya coder dorks talk somewhere else? looks like spam to us non coders hehe |
| 16:54.52 | doojin | what was the word? |
| 16:55.04 | doojin | since I'm on bitchx, I can't scroll |
| 16:55.05 | asg | doojin: it's only 7 or 8 lines up |
| 16:55.05 | jetx | doojin, it's tell about... but you can /msg dpkg blah (ie oneliner) |
| 16:55.14 | LinkinTurk | I have ASUS main board and my VGA is on board that Graphic adaptor is SIS |
| 16:55.17 | doojin | !tell me oneliner |
| 16:55.17 | stouset | Anyone know where to find that Gentoo joke? Something like, "I can install Gentoo in three lines." Followed by a giant-ass line. "That's the first line." |
| 16:55.22 | jetx | doojin, /window next |
| 16:55.22 | stouset | Hm...bash.org, I think. |
| 16:55.32 | jetx | and /window prev |
| 16:55.37 | doojin | what? |
| 16:55.41 | stouset | http://www.bash.org/?464385 |
| 16:55.42 | jetx | nm |
| 16:55.44 | shingouz | stouset: i think i saw that one on bash.org |
| 16:55.50 | doojin | There are no hidden windows |
| 16:55.57 | FieldySnuts | !moron doojin |
| 16:55.58 | dpkg | doojin: You are moron #87 |
| 16:56.05 | doojin | jetx : let me know the word |
| 16:56.21 | doojin | !tell doojin nvidia-oneliner |
| 16:56.24 | stouset | shingouz: Yeah. |
| 16:56.24 | greycat | !install gentoo |
| 16:56.24 | dpkg | It takes three commands to install Gentoo: http://bash.org/?464385 |
| 16:56.30 | stouset | Hrm...where have abrotman and karsten been? |
| 16:56.32 | doojin | !tell doojin nvidia_oneliner |
| 16:56.33 | stouset | I haven't seen them in forever |
| 16:56.36 | Azar | :) |
| 16:56.45 | doojin | !tell doojin nvidia |
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| 16:57.04 | doojin | damn it |
| 16:57.07 | shingouz | !tell doojin about nvidia one liner |
| 16:57.17 | doojin | jesus |
| 16:57.21 | doojin | can I copy? |
| 16:57.27 | shingouz | doojin: you can also /msg dpkg foo |
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| 16:57.41 | stouset | doojin: Why ask us? =P |
| 16:57.50 | doojin | jesus |
| 16:57.52 | doojin | thanks a lot |
| 16:57.54 | stouset | doojin: It's not like we have to give you permission. |
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| 16:58.19 | doojin | stouset : I needed to know what to do in this channel |
| 16:58.33 | Supaplex | if I'm on a 2.6 kernel, where are the loopback devices suppose to be? and what are their names? (better yet, help me find the reference for this, so I can later learn any device ...) |
| 16:58.33 | stouset | doojin: And we gave it to you :-P |
| 16:58.36 | simonrvn | it's pasting that will get you kicked |
| 16:58.36 | stouset | doojin: Go and use it. |
| 16:58.38 | FieldySnuts | 1) someone already had it go here 2) someone already had it msg you if you can't work with that, user error. |
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| 16:58.47 | stouset | Supaplex: /dev/loop[0-9]? |
| 16:58.55 | pipegeek | Hi. Running debian 3.1 here. How does one specify the domain to smbmount? -D (as suggested by googling for a while) is not a valid parameter. |
| 16:59.13 | FieldySnuts | man smbmount? |
| 16:59.13 | Jhair | pipegeek: man smbmount ? |
| 16:59.18 | stouset | pipegeek: Why google for smbmount? man it. |
| 16:59.23 | pipegeek | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.24 | FieldySnuts | !smite Jhair :) |
| 16:59.28 | pipegeek | I did |
| 16:59.32 | greycat | eek. |
| 16:59.34 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 16:59.40 | FieldySnuts | the ) threw it off, interesting |
| 16:59.46 | greycat | FieldySnuts: you had a ) in the argument, that confused it |
| 16:59.52 | FieldySnuts | yay I found a bug(?)! |
| 16:59.54 | pipegeek | google suggests -D, but that is rejected. Does debian use a modified version? |
| 17:00.07 | Jhair | hehe |
| 17:00.08 | asg | pipegeek: -o username=user\DOMAIN (has worked in my experience) |
| 17:00.09 | greycat | FieldySnuts: you only get points if you fix it. |
| 17:00.12 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: smite (badgerwangtek) |
| 17:00.16 | FieldySnuts | hm. |
| 17:00.19 | FieldySnuts | bbl |
| 17:00.19 | zinx | !smite (one|two) |
| 17:00.31 | greycat | FieldySnuts: if they're balanced, it doesn't get confused |
| 17:00.38 | FieldySnuts | i know i'm just being a tool |
| 17:00.38 | pipegeek | asg: really? backslash? |
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| 17:00.42 | FieldySnuts | !be a blootbot barbie |
| 17:00.43 | dpkg | Aww, blootbot is hard! Let's go shopping, fieldysnuts |
| 17:01.03 | asg | pipegeek: yes, iirc. |
| 17:01.42 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite (badger|wang|tek |
| 17:01.42 | ravenbird | (badger|wang|tek: ((i wouldnt take a back hander for that bush pig bloody|cheerio|heh im going to the dunny to wank with my donger|why dont ya go spending all your doc on a town bike bloody hell|what the do-dar are you drinking|jeeeez mate who cut the dog in half? better check your bloody dacks) mate|hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog) |
| 17:01.49 | FieldySnuts | oh hell. okay done, sorry |
| 17:01.56 | shingouz | hehe |
| 17:02.23 | pipegeek | asg: didn't work |
| 17:02.26 | doojin | bye |
| 17:02.27 | pipegeek | asg: thanks, though |
| 17:02.49 | FieldySnuts | makes me think i can get it to action (somenick|anothernick|etc) , but i won't do it here |
| 17:02.56 | FieldySnuts | oh no. not with closing. darn |
| 17:03.04 | pipegeek | asg: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
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| 17:03.10 | asg | pipegeek: you could always set the domain in the smb.conf |
| 17:03.11 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: #debian-bots? |
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| 17:03.25 | FieldySnuts | !lart xchat for including the ? |
| 17:03.25 | pipegeek | asg: doesn't that just affect samba, rather than smbfs? |
| 17:03.27 | spundun | hi all... |
| 17:03.48 | spundun | how do I sshd on startup for my debian ia64 box? |
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| 17:04.31 | asg | pipegeek: the client tools pull from that also; That was a fix for someone here who was having issues. |
| 17:04.53 | pipegeek | asg: ah, ok. Hold on |
| 17:04.55 | asg | pipegeek: oh, and it was ... -o username=user/DOMAIN |
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| 17:06.08 | bdoojin | non-free sources needed |
| 17:06.22 | error403 | bdoojin, ? |
| 17:06.33 | quittt | what is the egg from aptitude? |
| 17:06.46 | kreg | can you add accounts to sendmail without making a shell account for each mailbox or user? |
| 17:06.48 | bdoojin | error403 : I don't know who I need to ask yet |
| 17:06.50 | asg | quittt: aptitude moo |
| 17:06.54 | pipegeek | asg: thanks. It worked. |
| 17:06.58 | asg | pipegeek: cool |
| 17:07.11 | bdoojin | error403 : Contrib and non-free sources needed See<non-free sources> |
| 17:07.17 | asg | kreg: yes, google for virtual hosting |
| 17:07.23 | kreg | ok |
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| 17:08.25 | otroean | Hi. i'm trying to configure samba through webmin but all of the user acounts are disabled. I try to enable but it always comes back to disabled. Can anyone help me? |
| 17:08.28 | bdoojin | exit |
| 17:08.30 | bdoojin | ls |
| 17:08.33 | quittt | kink sex makes the world go around |
| 17:08.50 | ciaron | is there 1 site anywhere that does the definitive list of security flaws/vulnerabilities? |
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| 17:08.54 | error403 | ... |
| 17:09.59 | asg | ciaron: the bugtraq mailing list is a good start |
| 17:10.10 | Eulex | ciaron: http://www.debian.org/security/ ? |
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| 17:11.13 | spundun | can anyone tell me how I should enable sshd at bootup? |
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| 17:11.25 | rikva | Does anyone know why the great application 'camsource' isn't in the debian repositories? |
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| 17:11.28 | asg | spundun: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 17:11.37 | spundun | asg: thanks.. |
| 17:12.03 | ultraviolet16 | hello everyone, i just installed debian bare minimum... |
| 17:12.07 | ultraviolet16 | after base sys |
| 17:12.12 | ultraviolet16 | i installed x windows |
| 17:12.16 | ultraviolet16 | and then firefox |
| 17:12.23 | asg | !tell ultraviolet16 about enter |
| 17:12.32 | ultraviolet16 | i get this error.. can anyone tell me what dependencies i need? |
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| 17:13.10 | rikva | !enter |
| 17:13.11 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 17:13.17 | jair | hello guys |
| 17:13.18 | ultraviolet16 | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server ::: Xlib: No protocol specified :: (firefox-bin:4724): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 17:13.37 | asg | ultraviolet16: did you configure X? /msg dpkg set up x |
| 17:13.47 | ColonelKernel | ok I got the cam running between this and a windows client |
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| 17:13.48 | stew | ultraviolet16: are you trying to run it as root? |
| 17:14.01 | Eulex | rikva: because noone has packaged it, either because of lack of interest in it or because of license issues |
| 17:14.01 | ultraviolet16 | no, i already switched to regular user |
| 17:14.11 | ultraviolet16 | but by configuring x what do you mean? |
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| 17:14.32 | rikva | Eulex: ah. thanks. |
| 17:14.38 | ultraviolet16 | i have a feeling im missing a graphics library or something |
| 17:14.39 | Eulex | ultraviolet16, are you trying to run firefox-bin from a console? |
| 17:14.41 | ultraviolet16 | but i dunno what |
| 17:14.51 | Dragan | hello |
| 17:15.00 | mosty | i have a question about setting up software raid(1) in the sarge installer- do i create two "raid autodetect" partitions, then go to "configure software raid", and then create multiple filesystems on this new device, or do i have to create multiple pairs of "raid autodetect" partitions? |
| 17:15.00 | error403 | ultraviolet16, HOW did you install X? |
| 17:15.04 | ultraviolet16 | from a console i get the error message.. from just the menu it doesn't start |
| 17:15.08 | Dragan | i think i need problem |
| 17:15.12 | ultraviolet16 | im running fluxbox btw |
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| 17:15.37 | error403 | ultraviolet16, did you install with 'apt-get install x-window-system' |
| 17:15.38 | error403 | ? |
| 17:15.41 | ultraviolet16 | yea |
| 17:15.45 | error403 | right |
| 17:15.53 | stew | ultraviolet16: you are starting it from a console that is running as the user that is currently logged into x? |
| 17:15.54 | error403 | and you installed firefox from apt-get? |
| 17:15.58 | ultraviolet16 | right |
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| 17:16.10 | ultraviolet16 | thats right stew |
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| 17:16.19 | Eulex | ultraviolet16, I had that problem too -- the fix was to run firefox with a command line switch, but I don't remember which |
| 17:16.26 | shingouz | ultraviolet16: does you X run at all? |
| 17:16.26 | bdoojin | hi |
| 17:16.28 | samuel | why is the dhcp-client package is not part of base? does the base system include another dhcp client? |
| 17:16.41 | doojin | jesus |
| 17:16.42 | ultraviolet16 | shin, it runs without a problem |
| 17:16.45 | stew | i dunno what command line switch is going to fix the xauth stuff |
| 17:17.04 | doojin | I finally installed nvidia driver but don't know how to change the xfree86 settings |
| 17:17.11 | ultraviolet16 | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 17:17.12 | shingouz | ultraviolet16: have you heard about nick tab completion? <geeee.> |
| 17:17.18 | doojin | If you let me know any configuration program, I'll feel much better |
| 17:17.26 | ultraviolet16 | shin... no i haven't |
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| 17:17.39 | shingouz | !tell ultraviolet16 about nicktab |
| 17:17.42 | teclo | Hello. Where can I find jigdo's or torrents for Debian 3.0r6 ? |
| 17:17.43 | mosty | did anyone understand my question? i can rephrase it if not |
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| 17:18.05 | shingouz | doojin: jesus is not currently on the channel i think. what configuration program are you talking about? |
| 17:18.09 | mosty | teclo, do you really want to install 3.0 now, and not 3.1? |
| 17:18.11 | Eulex | samuel: dhclient? pump? |
| 17:18.13 | ultraviolet16 | O thanks shingouz lol that's awesome |
| 17:18.20 | doojin | yes |
| 17:18.25 | doojin | hmm |
| 17:18.27 | doojin | I don't know |
| 17:18.28 | doojin | any |
| 17:18.35 | teclo | mosty: I have machine that will stay in 3.0, so I need the CD's of 3.0r6 |
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| 17:18.42 | shingouz | !tell doojin about enter |
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| 17:19.01 | ultraviolet16 | damn.. well im going to try to figure out that firefox switch guys.. it has to do something with previledges right? |
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| 17:19.06 | shingouz | doojin: how the hell am i suppsed to help you when i do not even know what you want to configure |
| 17:19.09 | Eulex | ultraviolet16, what does echo $DISPLAY print? |
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| 17:19.36 | doojin | shingouz : I want to configure monitor and driver settings |
| 17:19.41 | ultraviolet16 | :0.0 |
| 17:19.48 | shingouz | !tell doojin about drxx |
| 17:19.58 | Eulex | UltraSub, that one looks ok |
| 17:20.03 | doojin | thanks |
| 17:20.03 | stew | ultraviolet16: it has something to do with xauth, or your ~/.Xauthority file |
| 17:20.07 | Eulex | ultraviolet16, I mean |
| 17:20.11 | shingouz | doojin: you have had that factoid shot to you at least three times before. read it |
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| 17:20.17 | sniper- | hi |
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| 17:20.30 | arangel | I have a small problem, I installed openswan and when i make install the module is copied in my old kernel dir instead in the new one.. |
| 17:20.31 | Eulex | sorry UltraSub, I blaim tab completion... |
| 17:20.36 | sniper- | how can i retrieve with fetchmail in maildir? |
| 17:20.41 | sniper- | using procmail? |
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| 17:20.49 | airox | Hi |
| 17:20.51 | ultraviolet16 | hmm let me look into that xauth.. is that a text file i can edit? |
| 17:20.52 | shingouz | arangel: how did oyu install it? |
| 17:21.04 | airox | Can I put net/ipv4/conf/all/log_martians = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
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| 17:21.15 | airox | Or do I have to let a script do this ? |
| 17:21.18 | arangel | shingouz, first by make programs than make module than make install than make minstall |
| 17:21.18 | valdyn | sniper-: yes |
| 17:21.23 | ultraviolet16 | stew how do I edit that file? |
| 17:21.35 | ultraviolet16 | or better said configure xauth? |
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| 17:21.52 | sniper- | i've probe getmail.... but. retrieving multiple accounts is not easy |
| 17:21.58 | sniper- | thanks valdyn |
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| 17:22.05 | stew | ultraviolet16: you don't edit that file, you use xauth, maybe: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
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| 17:22.22 | shingouz | arangel: i have a feeling you should have used module-assistant and apt-get |
| 17:22.25 | valdyn | sniper-: procmail will deliver to "...maildir/" or "mailbox", not the "/" |
| 17:22.32 | Eulex | ultraviolet16, are you running as root? |
| 17:22.34 | valdyn | s/not/note/ |
| 17:22.36 | arangel | shingouz, the module is beeing copied in the old kernel dir, I just recompiled a new kernel and booted it a few hours ago |
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| 17:23.09 | sniper- | i have qmail |
| 17:23.11 | shingouz | arangel: module-assistant as i said. you should not go without the debian tools unless you absolutely have to |
| 17:23.12 | arangel | shingouz, that wasn't an option since i fucked up pretty bad |
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| 17:23.25 | ultraviolet16 | damn xauth, never heard of it.. im going to have to read the manual on that.. but how does it rrelate to my problem.. like what should i watch out for? |
| 17:23.33 | sniper- | then i'll use qmail + fetchmail + procmail. right? |
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| 17:24.13 | valdyn | sniper-: probably fetchmail+procmail works independent of qmail too though |
| 17:24.14 | LinkinTurk | hello... my problem (screen resolition) is continiues |
| 17:24.18 | LinkinTurk | :(( |
| 17:24.20 | shingouz | arangel: if you really did it all by hand i have no idea what happened and therefore i have no idea how to help you. remove and redo. this time with the proper tools |
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| 17:24.32 | ultraviolet16 | Eulex: im not running as root |
| 17:24.35 | shingouz | arangel: apt-cache search openswan |
| 17:24.36 | ultraviolet16 | sorry i just read your messag now |
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| 17:24.51 | Eulex | ultraviolet16, ok |
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| 17:25.08 | sniper- | valdyn: ok. thanks |
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| 17:25.16 | sniper- | i'll see the procmail configuration |
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| 17:26.06 | thorie | how do I run a program as another user, while im root/ |
| 17:26.08 | thorie | ? |
| 17:26.12 | Eulex | ultraviolet16, http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2005-Feb/2809.html !!!! |
| 17:26.19 | asg | thorie: sudo, su |
| 17:26.24 | valdyn | sniper-: if you dont need any filtering, then your procmailrc could just be: "DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir/" |
| 17:26.34 | arangel | shingouz, i ll try to install it with aptitude, thanks |
| 17:26.49 | arangel | shingouz, but somehow im afraid it wont work :0 |
| 17:26.52 | ultraviolet16 | Eulex: lmao.. i clicked your link and it works... |
| 17:26.58 | shingouz | arangel: you need to remove the stuff you installed manually before you install something new |
| 17:26.59 | ultraviolet16 | firefox just opened |
| 17:26.59 | thorie | root@inc_wall2:/var# su -l amavis /usr/local/sbin/amavisd debug |
| 17:27.00 | thorie | su: unknown login amavis |
| 17:27.13 | Eulex | ultraviolet16, ok :) |
| 17:27.18 | ultraviolet16 | haha |
| 17:27.28 | asg | thorie: erm, su doesn't have -l |
| 17:27.29 | sniper- | that is in a .procmailrc at $HOME right valdyn? |
| 17:27.32 | arangel | shingouz, but there is no module installed in the kernels dir now |
| 17:27.49 | valdyn | sniper-: yea |
| 17:28.05 | thorie | i can't su to the user because the user doesn't have an account |
| 17:28.12 | ultraviolet16 | check this out though... |
| 17:28.17 | sniper- | valdyn : thanks a lot :) |
| 17:28.17 | shingouz | arangel: as i said, i have no idea what you did to the system but i do know you have to reverse the steps before the debian tools can work their magic |
| 17:28.18 | thorie | i don't know how to su to a non-existing account :( |
| 17:28.26 | asg | thorie: then how could you possibly run it as a non-existant user? |
| 17:28.33 | ultraviolet16 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:28.45 | ultraviolet16 | check out the second entry |
| 17:28.45 | thorie | asg: that's my question. |
| 17:28.54 | thorie | asg: how can I possibly run it as a non-existant user? |
| 17:28.57 | asg | thorie: you can't. Add a user account (man adduser) |
| 17:29.10 | thorie | asg: i alreayd created the account, it just doesn't exist |
| 17:29.21 | arangel | shingouz, don't know how to reverse make programs (if this copied some stuff on the system) :0 Do you suggest finding and removing every file? |
| 17:29.26 | asg | thorie: grep user /etc/passwd (what does that print) |
| 17:29.31 | thorie | asg: i added it, but its designed to have no login, it has no home directory |
| 17:29.50 | thorie | amavisd:*:3000:3000:Amavis Mail Scanner Daemon:/var/amavisd:/sbin/nologin |
| 17:30.07 | Eulex | ultraviolet16, the page said that firefox needed to be run as root the first time, but sometimes that didn't work, so you had to do xhost +localhost |
| 17:30.09 | asg | thorie: change /sbin/nologin to /bin/bash then |
| 17:30.22 | thorie | asg: that would screw up the security of the system |
| 17:30.30 | shingouz | arangel: you compiled stuff on your computer from source without the debian tools, you are pretty much on your own with the mess. i hope the makefiles do have some uninstall target too |
| 17:30.36 | thorie | asg: i don't want it to be loginable |
| 17:30.45 | ultraviolet16 | ok, i appologize Eulex i haven't read the page yet. let me read it now |
| 17:30.46 | caphuso | thorie: no, it won't |
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| 17:31.05 | asg | thorie: not really. Just make sure that user has a locked password and that the user doesn't own anything it shouldn't. |
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| 17:31.29 | caphuso | if someone manages to become the amavisd user, he already has root access |
| 17:32.33 | caphuso | so the only thing your /bin/nologin shell achieves is that you have to use su -s instead of just su. and that doesn't improve security at all |
| 17:32.34 | arangel | shingouz, you just gave me an idea, thanks!!! |
| 17:32.53 | jair | how could I fix my acpi and apm if I have the kernelconfigure it to this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/CVShRD84.html |
| 17:32.56 | arangel | shingouz, got it :) |
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| 17:33.58 | valdyn | jair: what is wrong with your acpi? |
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| 17:34.06 | jair | but with this current configuration the IBM laptop R51 I have do not respond to the command halt or shutdown -h now it turn off the machine but it keeps the wireless, battery, and fan running. I have to turn it off pressing the on/off botton manually. |
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| 17:34.19 | ultraviolet16 | ok, i read the page about firefox... seems that was exactly my problem |
| 17:34.23 | jair | valdyn, hello how are you? |
| 17:34.29 | ultraviolet16 | thanks everyone for their help, i got it fixed |
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| 17:34.49 | valdyn | jair: fine thanks, do i know you? |
| 17:35.07 | jair | valdyn, don't think so but now you do ;) |
| 17:35.13 | valdyn | jair: did you get the latest acpi from ibm? |
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| 17:35.42 | jair | valdyn, hmmm I install sarge with kernel 2.6.8-2-i686 |
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| 17:35.48 | J_P | people, i am using raid0 in sarge on D-I. I have two SATA hd 160gb, then create 2 raid 160gb partition, and create one md(raid 0) of this two partition raid type. |
| 17:35.49 | J_P | Then create " / " and swap into raid0 partition. Ok, installing system then when try install grub show message "can not install grub in sda". But if i create first " / " in first hd(not in raid 0) then grub install ok. But I like have 160gbx2(320gb) in " / ". Is possible ? |
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| 17:36.06 | jair | valdyn, I don't know but it looks like the acpi is running? but not doing its work. |
| 17:36.11 | The^Eagle | Hi, i'm trying to install debian om my laptop using an 3.0r4 debian disc, but i got the error message that base-config_1.33.18_all.deb was corrupt, then i moved the harddrive to my local computer, and downloaded the lastest stable version iso and used vmware to install it to the same drive, then i got the same error message that base-config package was corrupted, is this harddrive related or did my isofile also got corrupt? |
| 17:36.13 | valdyn | jair: you need a windows install to install a new acpi firmware ( whatevber its called ), or a floppy disk. |
| 17:36.24 | jair | valdyn, so I have the apm all set up to "no set" |
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| 17:36.28 | EdibleText | jair, apt-get install acpid |
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| 17:36.37 | asg | The^Eagle: any reason you are using woody and not the new sarge installer? |
| 17:36.37 | quitte | J_P: yes, but you need a seperate boot püartition |
| 17:36.58 | Bedad | hey guys, i dont suppose someone could provide me with a list of servers valid for sources.list could they please, do i now want stable main instead of testing main ? |
| 17:37.03 | The^Eagle | asg: i didn't find loadlin, since i currently have no cd burner |
| 17:37.05 | J_P | quitte: only /boot then ? |
| 17:37.13 | EdibleText | Bedad, apt-setup |
| 17:37.23 | The^Eagle | asg: but i tried sarge throu vmware, but got the same error message |
| 17:37.29 | jair | EdibleText, I think I have that already |
| 17:37.29 | asg | The^Eagle: odd |
| 17:37.41 | valdyn | jair: ah its called dsdt, you can get it at www.ibm.com, but see above for what you need aswell.. |
| 17:37.41 | The^Eagle | same package and all |
| 17:37.42 | quitte | J_P: i'd make swap outside of the raid,too. better make a swap partition on each of the drives. will give better performance. |
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| 17:37.54 | jair | EdibleText, but with this current configuration the IBM laptop R51 I have do not respond to the command halt or shutdown -h now it turn off the machine but it keeps the wireless, battery, and fan running. I have to turn it off pressing the on/off botton manually. |
| 17:38.02 | The^Eagle | i thought it was a bad cluster or something so i did a bad cluster check but still the same error with base-config package |
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| 17:38.06 | EdibleText | jair, its usespace support provided you have acpi support in kernel |
| 17:38.08 | Bedad | thanks EdibleText |
| 17:38.26 | quitte | J_P: you can make /boot raid0 - so the partitioning will be exactly the same on both disks |
| 17:38.27 | Eulex | !tell jair about repeat |
| 17:38.33 | jair | EdibleText, what do you mean? |
| 17:38.38 | asg | The^Eagle: do you have a floppy drive? |
| 17:38.56 | jair | Eulex, all right I will not repeat |
| 17:39.14 | The^Eagle | asg: only in the laptop |
| 17:39.17 | jair | EdibleText, I have the kernel 2.6.8 that have support for that |
| 17:39.28 | EdibleText | Bedad, to answer the second part of your question. if you want o track the stable version and NOT testing then replace 'testing' with 'sarge' or 'stable' |
| 17:39.35 | jair | valdyn, I don't think I want windows on my computer |
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| 17:39.59 | jair | how could I check if I have installed the acpid on my system? |
| 17:40.10 | valdyn | jair: ask ibm to fix that ) |
| 17:40.25 | jair | hahaha |
| 17:40.25 | Bedad | cool, thank you |
| 17:40.26 | jair | ok |
| 17:40.40 | jair | I know it is a solution for that and not very dificult |
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| 17:40.48 | valdyn | jair: apt-get install acpid. However it has nothing to do with powering down, only with a way to rtigger a power down. |
| 17:41.13 | EdibleText | jair, the kernel provides support acpi. userspace proggrames, eg acpid, can then make use of the supported feature |
| 17:41.19 | jair | like some of the guys here that are not sure of how to fix it are throwing suggestions |
| 17:41.40 | jair | EdibleText, ok |
| 17:41.44 | jair | I will do that then |
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| 17:41.51 | valdyn | jair: acpid is not solution for powering down properly... |
| 17:41.55 | jair | it will not affect the other configurations? |
| 17:42.07 | jair | valdyn, so then what is it? |
| 17:42.19 | jair | EdibleText, do i should use apm? |
| 17:42.23 | EdibleText | jair, acpid is the 'next step' ater you get acpi woking |
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| 17:42.27 | valdyn | jair: acpid reacts on acpi events and starts user defined scripts on such events. |
| 17:42.29 | EdibleText | working even |
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| 17:42.56 | J_P | quitte: ok, will be try :-) |
| 17:43.03 | jair | EdibleText, this is my kernel configurations file: about apm http://rafb.net/paste/results/ahLbOc17.html |
| 17:43.08 | quitte | J_P: good luck. |
| 17:43.15 | valdyn | jair: so practically it can do stuff like beep of power is unplugged, power down if your power button is pressed, or switch off the screen if fn-fx is pressed.. |
| 17:43.28 | cub | so I have some issues with Nagios and apt-get, it does not update the webserver config properly and now i cant even get it to reinstall :-( |
| 17:43.33 | cub | i borked up again |
| 17:43.48 | jair | valdyn, currently when I unplug the power cable I can heard the beep |
| 17:44.09 | EdibleText | jair, do you have a /prov/acpi directory? |
| 17:44.14 | EdibleText | jair, do you have a /proc/acpi directory? |
| 17:44.15 | asg | cub: the config file won't reinstall or the package itself? |
| 17:44.20 | valdyn | jair: yea, you dont need acpi at all for that, but acpid *could* do that. |
| 17:44.23 | cub | asg configs |
| 17:44.24 | jair | an dthe computer shiwtch off but the only thing is that the wireless do not turn off the battery and the fan still running |
| 17:44.28 | asg | cub: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 17:44.42 | jair | EdibleText, I will check that |
| 17:44.52 | The^Eagle | asg: you have no ideas? |
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| 17:45.33 | asg | The^Eagle: I don't. You might get the latest 3.0r6 though which may have fixed a bug. |
| 17:45.45 | jair | EdibleText, http://rafb.net/paste/results/s1zo7I89.html |
| 17:45.50 | jair | this is what appear |
| 17:46.04 | The^Eagle | asg: shouldn't 3.1 contain the same bugfix? |
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| 17:46.38 | cub | asg; still says samething :-( |
| 17:46.42 | asg | The^Eagle: well, you indicated that you tried 3.1 but it didn't have loadlin. It should not have had the same error with base-config since sarge (3.1) has a different version. |
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| 17:46.54 | jair | EdibleText, yes I have it http://rafb.net/paste/results/iB9t7Y92.html |
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| 17:47.10 | jair | EdibleText, I found the directory you were asking me for |
| 17:47.12 | asg | cub: what does it say? |
| 17:47.33 | cub | can i msg you the lines? |
| 17:47.34 | valdyn | jair: apt-cache search ibm btw. |
| 17:47.36 | cub | its like 5 |
| 17:47.38 | cub | + |
| 17:47.46 | asg | cub: just use our paste bot (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 17:47.47 | The^Eagle | asg: but in vmware i got the same error, i just couldn't try directly on the laptop since i only had the option to unpack it and boot dos and try loadlin |
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| 17:48.25 | The^Eagle | maybe i can try to find my slackware disc and see if it workd |
| 17:48.29 | The^Eagle | works |
| 17:48.34 | asg | The^Eagle: hmmm, might be worth a shot. |
| 17:48.39 | The^Eagle | thanks anyway |
| 17:48.45 | valdyn | jair: err, that gives to much: "apt-cache search ibm laptop" |
| 17:48.48 | jair | valdyn, tpctl - IBM ThinkPad hardware configuration tools |
| 17:48.57 | jair | ok |
| 17:49.10 | fromoze | leave |
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| 17:49.16 | shingouz | those tools need the kernel modules too.... |
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| 17:49.36 | EdibleText | jair, looks as though you have acpi support. for ibm r51 specifics I cant help you. It was rather simple on my clevo laptop and my via c3 boards |
| 17:49.37 | jair | valdyn, http://rafb.net/paste/results/81bVI688.html |
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| 17:49.41 | jair | EdibleText, http://rafb.net/paste/results/81bVI688.html |
| 17:49.45 | valdyn | shingouz: yea, the source for those will show on that apt-cache search command ) |
| 17:49.52 | paster | "Cub" at 216.54.167.251 pasted "Unable to reinstall nagios" (32 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/242 |
| 17:50.11 | cub | woot |
| 17:50.32 | asg | cub: did you try removing and purging nagios-text and nagios-common first? |
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| 17:50.38 | cub | yeah i did |
| 17:50.51 | valdyn | jair: got those installed already? however the ibm-acpi debian package is not "required" for much, and older version is already in the kernel ( 2.6.x ) |
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| 17:51.16 | asg | cub: looks like you also deleted your /etc/apache2/apache2.conf as well |
| 17:51.57 | asg | cub: reinstall apache2-common (using the confmiss options) See if that fixes things. |
| 17:52.38 | cub | k one sec |
| 17:53.09 | valdyn | jair: i'd still try to upgrade the dsdt anyway, a few things might not work w/ your default one. |
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| 17:54.01 | quitte | how can i make a network install with a acx100 wlan card? |
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| 17:54.23 | greycat | does the kernel have a driver for it? |
| 17:54.29 | Eulex | acx100: find out what chipset it has |
| 17:54.39 | quitte | acx100 is the chipset |
| 17:54.50 | quitte | and it uses proprietary firmware |
| 17:54.53 | mtnman | in bash: how to check if "word" is a member of an arrary? |
| 17:55.03 | mtnman | s/arrary/array/ |
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| 17:55.24 | quitte | greycat: so i guess the question should be how can i make a module for the installer and include it? |
| 17:55.54 | greycat | mtnman: if [[ " ${array[*]} " == "* word *" ]] |
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| 17:56.00 | Eulex | quitte, you can use the netinstall do install a base install (which is included on the cd), then you can go find drivers for your nic on another computer, burn them to a cd and install them on the first computer |
| 17:56.02 | cub | asg; I found a gz of the apache2.conf that fixed that issue |
| 17:56.03 | greycat | mtnman: this assumes no internal spaces in the array members. |
| 17:56.08 | Eulex | s/to/do |
| 17:56.09 | mtnman | greycat: thanks. |
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| 17:56.18 | greycat | mtnman: hmm, that RHS may have to be *\ word\ * |
| 17:56.20 | asg | cub: and your nagios issue as well? |
| 17:56.25 | cub | no |
| 17:56.27 | greycat | mtnman: I think the quotes will screw that part up |
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| 17:56.55 | asg | cub: now, apt-get -f install (or purge all nagios stuff and install with the confmiss suggestion) |
| 17:56.55 | quitte | Eulex i know but that is not what i want to do |
| 17:57.05 | mtnman | greycat: i had done something similar to what you suggested, however my spacing was different and did not work. |
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| 17:57.18 | mtnman | greycat: man bash is a bit confusing on this. |
| 17:57.29 | greycat | mtnman: man pages don't show you all the tricks. |
| 17:57.42 | greycat | man pages are what help you read a trick and figure out how the hell it works |
| 17:57.44 | valdyn | quitte: why dont you grab the complete first cdrom and go from there? |
| 17:57.49 | mtnman | greycat: yes, i am also reading the bash adv. scripting howto |
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| 17:58.39 | quitte | valdyn: because i'd prefer to learn how to add support for a hardware that has drivers for linux to the installer. |
| 17:58.54 | valdyn | quitte: duh, how pointless |
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| 17:59.33 | brightshadow | i am new to debian and i was wondering how to load the desktop? I can log in at what looks like a dos prompt but that is it. |
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| 17:59.37 | quitte | valdyn: not if i include some more drivers. im pretty sure someone with a centrino notebook might need this pretty soon. |
| 17:59.46 | J_P | quitte: hello... |
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| 17:59.52 | ama | brightshadow: if you installed x and windowing enviroment try startx |
| 18:00.06 | quitte | J_P: hi |
| 18:00.13 | BlueShift | brightshadow: install x-window-system, your favorite WM/DE, and startx. the DM is optional. |
| 18:00.13 | petemc | !tell quitte about custom d-i |
| 18:00.15 | J_P | quittt: /dev/md0 409G 306M 408G 1% / . Work fine raid 0 in " / " :-) |
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| 18:00.27 | J_P | quittte /dev/md0 409G 306M 408G 1% / . Work fine raid 0 in " / " :-) |
| 18:00.34 | cub | asg; Ima just extract the examples |
| 18:00.34 | quitte | petemc: thanks |
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| 18:00.56 | brightshadow | ama; i have a new hard drive and i just completed the network install of debian |
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| 18:01.04 | greycat | imadev:~$ arr=(ape babboon cat dog elephant frog); [[ " ${arr[*]} " == *\ frog\ * ]] && echo yes |
| 18:01.07 | greycat | yes |
| 18:01.22 | greycat | baboon* |
| 18:01.25 | Bedad | blah.. apt-get upgrade is doing 500mb of stuff :-S |
| 18:01.36 | coruptkid | can someone please tell me if i am pointing another domain to a name server, what type of record does it need to be? |
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| 18:01.52 | greycat | coruptkid: NS |
| 18:01.58 | TPC | someone please help me, I broke dpkg |
| 18:02.13 | TPC | I'm downgrading from unstable to testing because of some problems I'm having |
| 18:02.14 | Bedad | the high level NS servers will have a record of the DNS server it's responsible for that domain, and then you have NS records |
| 18:02.25 | TPC | I had to do some ugly things to get it to install some of the packages |
| 18:02.27 | TPC | and now I get this: |
| 18:02.27 | valdyn | TPC: downgrading is unsafe. |
| 18:02.31 | cantona | !apt-file search gnome-keyring-manager |
| 18:02.42 | TPC | valdyn, I noticed |
| 18:02.45 | valdyn | TPC: just reinstall. |
| 18:02.47 | TPC | dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success |
| 18:02.51 | Kepplar | how come its unsafe? |
| 18:02.57 | Kepplar | hows it any different from upgrading really? |
| 18:02.58 | petemc | cantona: /msg dpkg find.. |
| 18:03.04 | coruptkid | greycat: so with an ns record i can then say to my Retistrar 123.456.789.0 ns01.otherdomain.net is my nameserver?! |
| 18:03.09 | ultraviolet16 | hello again everyone.. im rather new to linux and I had a cdrom here i wanted to access through the terminal.. how is it that i do that? basically i want to run a cp command to my hd but i don't know how to type in the source... |
| 18:03.14 | greycat | coruptkid: /j #dns |
| 18:03.17 | TPC | iI get that error every time I try to do something |
| 18:03.18 | cantona | petermc: ok. |
| 18:03.25 | TPC | is there anything I can do? |
| 18:03.31 | BlueShift | ultraviolet16: mount the cd drive. |
| 18:03.37 | asg | ultraviolet16: mount /cdrom (man mount for more information) |
| 18:03.46 | valdyn | Kepplar: dpkg treats downgrads like upgrades, thats the problem, new config options will no longer work with older versions etc.. |
| 18:03.47 | ultraviolet16 | ok, thanks |
| 18:03.47 | Bedad | coruptkid, :youwould need to register your server as a dns server first, which can take weeks |
| 18:04.02 | cub | well i got one more step further |
| 18:04.09 | Kepplar | valdyn: a fix in the to-do? |
| 18:04.13 | valdyn | Kepplar: and there's more, more subtle, harder to fix, problems |
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| 18:04.15 | cub | now its asking for a file that does not have an example |
| 18:04.16 | coruptkid | Bedad: thanks thats pissed :-( |
| 18:04.16 | Azar | ultraviolet you will have to do your part , read and learn this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 18:04.27 | valdyn | Kepplar: no, downgrading is not supported |
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| 18:04.41 | valdyn | Kepplar: i doubt it will be ever. |
| 18:04.43 | ultraviolet16 | Azar: thanks a lot, im going to read it now |
| 18:04.47 | Kepplar | pity |
| 18:04.58 | valdyn | Kepplar: its not even supported upstream. |
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| 18:06.12 | zeeeee | hi all, what's special about port 5361? (see second paragraph on http://www.owlriver.com/tips/tcpdump-tech/) |
| 18:06.26 | valdyn | TPC: you can edit configs etc by hand. that is alot of work probably, reinstall is safe and a predictable amount of work.. |
| 18:06.40 | TPC | valdyn, the other packages seem fine so far |
| 18:07.11 | Azar | TPC you can't see what is broken can you? |
| 18:07.16 | TPC | I just fixed it :) |
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| 18:08.15 | TPC | had to remove the log line from /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg |
| 18:08.32 | coruptkid | Bedad: my domains are registered with Totalregistrations, and they give me an interface to specify my nameservers, is this what you meant?? |
| 18:08.44 | TPC | I thought all releated config files were in /etc/apt, thats why I didn't find it |
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| 18:10.45 | otroean | Hi. can someone take a lokk at this and help me to use all of the disk space? http://pastebin.ca/15365 |
| 18:11.00 | cantona | where to remove the keyring that saved in gnome?? |
| 18:11.33 | capu | Hi - can someone help me with "Mplayer" ? I open it via "mplayer <filename>", but the file im trying to open is a Video..... it doesn't open the video - it displays the audio info and nothing else |
| 18:11.44 | greycat | is the BTS broken? I sent a bug report last night and still haven't got a number for it yet... |
| 18:11.55 | cub | still nto working darn it |
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| 18:11.58 | solomonn | anyone know of something that can be used to do flac -> mp3 and preserve tags? |
| 18:12.26 | asg | greycat: dunno, I'm sending one out today. I'll let you know if I hear anything. |
| 18:12.38 | greycat | solomonn: well, if you can find an ogg->mp3 transcoder, you could adapt it. flac and ogg vorbis files use the same tags (at least, newer flac files do). |
| 18:12.49 | sparr_ | i am going to be using a LAN where the dhcp and dns servers (both on linux of some sort) automagically set up dns entries when someone leases an IP. without knowing how they are configured, what is the most likely way they are accomplishing this, and how can i make my dhcp client (dhclient, or maybe dhcpcd or pump) play nice with such a setup? |
| 18:13.07 | solomonn | greycat: don't know of any of those either ;) but i'll keep looking |
| 18:13.19 | myren | can anyone suggest a video player which will run on a remote X display |
| 18:13.25 | cub | asg; any more sugestions? |
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| 18:13.42 | petemc | sparr_: what is it you want it to handle, exactly? |
| 18:13.43 | asg | greycat: looks like they finally fixed your find manpage bug |
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| 18:14.04 | asg | cub: what error are you getting now? |
| 18:14.15 | petemc | myren: mplayer, xine, you would just need to change the DISPLAY variable to launch movies |
| 18:14.22 | greycat | asg: yeah, I noticed that a week or two ago |
| 18:14.25 | greycat | asg: I got mail, of course |
| 18:15.12 | sparr_ | petemc: i want other people on the LAN to be able to visit http://myhostname |
| 18:15.33 | petemc | sparr_: and they cant? |
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| 18:15.41 | sparr_ | petemc: correct |
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| 18:16.02 | petemc | sparr_: i thought dns entries were set up |
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| 18:16.24 | sparr_ | petemc: they are, so i am left to assume that my dhcp client is not providing some information, like my hostname, to the server |
| 18:16.24 | capu | can anyone ytell me why "gmplayer <filename>" wont work ? (or help me find out) |
| 18:16.31 | greycat | capu: #mplayer |
| 18:16.33 | paster | "Cub" at 216.54.167.251 pasted "more recent errors." (25 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/243 |
| 18:16.36 | RogueDopple | & salutations/wc |
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| 18:16.41 | capu | on FreeNode? |
| 18:17.01 | samuel_ | ive been reading somewhat on debian sid vs testing... lemme get this straight... testing = (sid - 14 days) ? |
| 18:17.12 | petemc | sparr_: look in /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 18:17.19 | samuel_ | if it had no bugs? |
| 18:17.23 | sparr_ | petemc: thanks |
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| 18:17.43 | asg | cub: and you reinstalled them with dpkg --force-confmiss? |
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| 18:18.01 | cub | thats what line 1 says :-/ |
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| 18:18.15 | cub | unless its not the right command |
| 18:19.48 | jair | valdyn, I was trying to install those packages and I damage the kernel, the sound was not working anymore |
| 18:19.56 | Azar | what this might mean, when you are completely logged off and you see the router lights blinking like a ghost would do a major download ? |
| 18:20.08 | jair | valdyn, so I had to resintall the kernel and start installing alsa again |
| 18:20.18 | asg | cub: try doing nagios-common before nagios-text |
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| 18:20.28 | naphex | after upgrading to kernel-image2.6.11-5, i can't get apm to work. |
| 18:21.02 | cub | same thing |
| 18:21.22 | naphex | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.43 | ultraviolet16 | hey guys, when cp'ing from cdrom to hd somethings might take a while. is there an option for a status indicator? |
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| 18:22.19 | Eulex | ultraviolet16, -v? |
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| 18:22.40 | Azar | what this might mean, when you are completely logged off and you see the router lights blinking like a ghost would do a major download ? |
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| 18:23.04 | Eulex | ultraviolet16, use the command line opion -v, as in verbose |
| 18:23.08 | petemc | Azar: dont repeat, use a traffic sniffer |
| 18:23.19 | cub | asg; gave me same error |
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| 18:23.25 | ultraviolet16 | thanks Eulex: im trying that now |
| 18:23.31 | Azar | petemc, I was just wondering if that means something |
| 18:23.39 | ultraviolet16 | i was reading the man to see what -v meant.. |
| 18:23.41 | ultraviolet16 | i see its verbose |
| 18:24.28 | Azar | maybe I should unplug the connection when I am not using the PC , because I have no idea what is going on |
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| 18:24.54 | kingsley | Why would java applets fail to run when typing "about:plugins" in firefox's address field shows that java is installed and enabled? |
| 18:25.01 | jair | it is a way using the apt-get command to check if a package is installed on the computer? |
| 18:25.16 | LoRez | jair: dpkg -l $packagename |
| 18:25.16 | Azar | normally, when nobody is logged in the connection should be not usable, which I see it is not the case |
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| 18:25.25 | jair | LoRez, ;) |
| 18:25.51 | kingsley | LoRez: I use "dpkg -l <package-name>". |
| 18:26.06 | LoRez | kingsley: is that not what I said? |
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| 18:27.01 | clif4d | I've got problems with enhanched speedstep; it seems that the system/kernel automatically adjusts the cpufreq even though the userspace governor is chosen, any ideas why? |
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| 18:27.25 | kingsley | LoRez: Oops! My mistake. I should have addressed jair. |
| 18:27.26 | sander_ | how do I enable php in apache2? |
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| 18:27.44 | Casanova | hello.. i just installed debian sarge ... i am trying debian for the first time... can some one give me a good sources.list file? |
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| 18:28.05 | Dragon_Eater|AWA | sander_? |
| 18:28.22 | Dragon_Eater|AWA | read the documentation, and then ull find out about a libapache-php ;) |
| 18:28.24 | clif4d | Casanova: apt-setup should get you going, and for anything unsupported there's apt-get.org |
| 18:28.34 | sander_ | Dragon_Eater|AWA, I added" AddType application/x-httpd-php .php".. in apache2.conf |
| 18:28.36 | Casanova | ciaron, thanx |
| 18:28.36 | jair | kingsley, excuse me? |
| 18:28.47 | Dragon_Eater|AWA | sander_ u need to install the module too |
| 18:28.49 | sander_ | Dragon_Eater|AWA, i've tried to find the documentaion. |
| 18:28.52 | jair | LoRez, I get this line ii acpid 1.0.4-1 Utilities for using ACPI power management |
| 18:28.53 | Dragon_Eater|AWA | and then add it towards ur module.conf |
| 18:29.04 | Dragon_Eater|AWA | doesnt apache2 has builtin support for php4? |
| 18:29.06 | jair | LoRez, If I want to know if is installed or not? |
| 18:29.08 | LoRez | jair: the 'ii' means it's installed. |
| 18:29.15 | jair | ohh |
| 18:29.19 | jair | ok |
| 18:29.28 | LoRez | look up, it'll tell you what the letters mean |
| 18:29.35 | jair | ok |
| 18:29.36 | Casanova | clif4d, will i be able to install eclipse through apt-get? |
| 18:29.53 | Azar | Casanova http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-sources.list |
| 18:29.55 | Dragon_Eater|AWA | http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/ or http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.1/ try those sander_ |
| 18:29.56 | jair | LoRez, I am trying to figure uot what is wrong with the acpi on my laptop |
| 18:30.10 | LoRez | jair: good luck with that :) |
| 18:30.16 | jair | LoRez, haah |
| 18:30.50 | jair | should i remobe the acpi and install apm on a laptop IBM? |
| 18:31.05 | takatumi | jair: checked dmesg? |
| 18:31.07 | jair | I am having problems with the complete shutdown of the system |
| 18:31.11 | clif4d | Casanova: a quick "apt-cache search eclipse" shows a few packages, not sure which one you'll want |
| 18:31.13 | Azar | Casanova is a good practice to read a bit about apt before using it , read the apt primer: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 18:31.28 | jair | takatumi, I checked that but I do not know exacly if is an error with it |
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| 18:31.59 | jair | takatumi, can you check it: -------->https://jair.no-ip.com/setuid/ |
| 18:32.01 | Rubberducky{{ | ello |
| 18:32.15 | Rubberducky{{ | is there a way to reconifg my xwindow in debian |
| 18:32.17 | jair | takatumi, there is the dmesg of my laptop |
| 18:32.19 | Rubberducky{{ | i installed it but |
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| 18:32.25 | Rubberducky{{ | i have misconig i think |
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| 18:32.40 | Rubberducky{{ | bucause when i run it it just flikekers my scren for a few secs and then |
| 18:32.46 | Rubberducky{{ | it goes back to the cmd mode |
| 18:33.04 | Casanova | clif4d, ok |
| 18:33.07 | Casanova | Azar, thanx |
| 18:33.23 | Eulex | Rubberducky{{, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:33.23 | Rubberducky{{ | ? |
| 18:33.27 | Rubberducky{{ | ? |
| 18:33.33 | Eulex | !tell Rubberducky{{ about enter |
| 18:33.36 | Rubberducky{{ | ah ill check |
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| 18:33.39 | Rubberducky{{ | what? |
| 18:34.03 | Rubberducky{{ | enter? |
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| 18:34.19 | Rubberducky{{ | what x server driver do i want? |
| 18:34.32 | Eulex | Rubberducky{{, depends on your video card |
| 18:34.32 | snoke | any suggest to perl debug ide ? |
| 18:34.48 | Eulex | Rubberducky{{, but vesa should always work |
| 18:34.50 | Rubberducky{{ | i have built in graphcard |
| 18:34.54 | Rubberducky{{ | ag ok |
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| 18:35.03 | Eulex | Rubberducky{{, but vesa may be slow |
| 18:35.20 | Eulex | Rubberducky{{, "built in graphcard" is not enough info |
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| 18:35.30 | Rubberducky{{ | is the identiefier important? |
| 18:35.36 | Rubberducky{{ | i konow but i dont know da braand of my card |
| 18:35.41 | Rubberducky{{ | it sux, thats all i know |
| 18:35.44 | takatumi | jair: looks ok. |
| 18:35.52 | Eulex | Rubberducky{{, that's a big problem |
| 18:35.59 | Eulex | Rubberducky{{, try running lspci |
| 18:36.02 | somiaj | Rubberducky{{: lspci may list what chipset is on your onboard graphics card |
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| 18:37.38 | Rubberducky{{ | can i choose VGA as driver |
| 18:37.56 | Donald | Hi! We have setup the VPN Server "Astaro" in our university. What VPN client can i use with IPSec? Is vpnc only for Cisco VPNs? |
| 18:38.02 | de_mon | I'm trying to track down where all my hard disk space is going in /home |
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| 18:38.11 | Eulex | Rubberducky{{, you can, but you will only get 640x480 16 colours as maximum video mode |
| 18:38.23 | Rubberducky{{ | ok |
| 18:38.23 | jair | takatumi, but this is what happens, the computer turn off, but the battery, fan and wireless remain running even with the plug cable out |
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| 18:38.37 | jair | takatumi, with the power cable out |
| 18:38.38 | de_mon | but when I run du -shx * from /home it includes any partiotion mounted to a directory in home. |
| 18:39.00 | jair | takatumi, I have to turn off the laptop pressing for 5 sec the on/off botton |
| 18:39.01 | rosario | hola tacuaches |
| 18:39.10 | faked | de_mon: then umount partitions in /home |
| 18:39.13 | Rubberducky{{ | what video mode do i want? |
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| 18:39.20 | takatumi | jair: try apm |
| 18:39.21 | de_mon | faked: thats not an option |
| 18:39.25 | Rubberducky{{ | 1920X144- is default |
| 18:39.33 | jair | takatumi, that is what I am thinking |
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| 18:39.44 | jair | takatumi, but I have to disable or uninstall the acpi |
| 18:39.48 | de_mon | faked: I could mount home to another mount point, but I'd perfer not to. |
| 18:39.53 | jair | takatumi, I don't think I can have both |
| 18:40.09 | Rubberducky{{ | how do i know color depth of monitor? |
| 18:40.10 | takatumi | jair: try acpi=off or acpi=noacpi |
| 18:40.22 | jair | where i will put that? |
| 18:40.30 | jair | on the kernel configuration file? |
| 18:40.30 | directhex | Rubberducky{{, nobody can answer you effectively until you answer the last unanswered question |
| 18:40.32 | faked | de_mon: try with --exclude |
| 18:40.34 | takatumi | jair: grub? |
| 18:40.42 | directhex | Rubberducky{{, that was "<somiaj> Rubberducky{{: lspci may list what chipset is on your onboard graphics card" |
| 18:40.47 | jair | takatumi, ohhh so do not run it at boot? |
| 18:40.56 | jair | hmmm let me check that. |
| 18:41.06 | directhex | Rubberducky{{, for example: 0000:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6800 Ultra/GeForce 6800 GT] (rev a2) |
| 18:41.36 | Eulex | Rubberducky{{, if it's an old graphics card, lspci should know about it |
| 18:41.40 | kelv | 0000:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) |
| 18:41.45 | de_mon | faked: err... that could wind up being a lot of excludes :/ |
| 18:42.08 | jair | takatumi, but check this:http://rafb.net/paste/results/FMqEO188.html |
| 18:42.10 | Marticus | I'm glad dist-upgrade knows what it's doing, because I sure as hell don't |
| 18:42.17 | directhex | Eulex, even new ones. that's an almost top of the range PCI Express card |
| 18:42.23 | faked | de_mon: I do not know how your dir.-structure looks like |
| 18:42.28 | Marticus | this update is pretty sophisticated :) |
| 18:42.32 | jair | takatumi, this is the config-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 18:42.56 | kelv | Marticus : what're up upgrading from? woody? |
| 18:43.10 | takatumi | jair: that looks ok. |
| 18:43.27 | de_mon | faked: the -x on du -shx is supposed to SKIP directories on different filesystems, but isn't quite behaving so. The exclude idea was a good suggestion though |
| 18:43.37 | Eulex | directhex: I know, but lspci doesn't recognise my mobility radeon x300 |
| 18:43.52 | valdyn | directhex: update-pciids |
| 18:43.52 | directhex | Eulex, run "update-pciids" |
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| 18:44.01 | valdyn | ops |
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| 18:44.24 | Eulex | directhex, ok |
| 18:44.33 | Eulex | you learn something new every day :) |
| 18:44.40 | faked | de_mon: I think different filesystems does not mean different partitions, so if you have 4 partitions with ext3, du -shx will not skip, because auf same filesystem |
| 18:44.59 | valdyn | faked: false |
| 18:45.14 | Eulex | directhex, yeah, now it does recognise it |
| 18:45.16 | Rubberducky{{ | ok, i have a nVidia Corp. NV4 graph card |
| 18:45.18 | faked | valdyn: -x means different partitions? |
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| 18:45.25 | sander_ | I get up: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: pg_connect() in /var/www/test.php on line 5 |
| 18:45.30 | directhex | NV4. TNT2 isn't it? |
| 18:45.30 | Rubberducky{{ | is vesa ok then? |
| 18:45.36 | de_mon | faked: that doesn't appear to be the case |
| 18:45.37 | sander_ | when i'm trying to connect to my postgresql database.. from php |
| 18:45.37 | valdyn | faked: means differnt filesystems, even if they are identical types |
| 18:45.39 | directhex | Rubberducky{{, no, you want "nv" |
| 18:45.50 | faked | valdyn: ahh, ok |
| 18:45.55 | asg | sander_: install php4-pgsql |
| 18:45.56 | directhex | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.01 | Rubberducky{{ | and my identifier for my card, do i let it blank? |
| 18:46.12 | Rubberducky{{ | jeps thtats the one i have i tihink |
| 18:46.13 | valdyn | faked: /proc/, /sys etc are no partitions, but fs ) |
| 18:46.20 | directhex | Rubberducky{{, yes, leave it blank |
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| 18:46.27 | faked | valdyn: I see |
| 18:46.52 | Rubberducky{{ | and the XKB rule? |
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| 18:47.01 | Rubberducky{{ | do i let default=xfree86 |
| 18:47.06 | sander_ | asg: I got that one installed.. but when I type : php test.php.. at the shell.. it works |
| 18:47.09 | Eulex | Rubberducky{{, yes |
| 18:47.21 | sander_ | asg, it just dosnt work from the web |
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| 18:47.37 | Eulex | let the rest of the stuff be the default values, Rubberducky{{ |
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| 18:47.43 | Rubberducky{{ | monitor idenitfier=generic monitor. ok? |
| 18:47.46 | Rubberducky{{ | ah ok |
| 18:47.56 | asg | sander_: then make sure /etc/php4/apache/php.ini includes the extention= line for pgsql and that apache has been restarted. |
| 18:48.13 | Rubberducky{{ | ok i did all my stuff. Do i reboot now? |
| 18:48.22 | Eulex | Rubberducky{{, no |
| 18:48.23 | Rubberducky{{ | or can i aply settings without reboot? |
| 18:48.25 | Rubberducky{{ | ah ok |
| 18:48.31 | Rubberducky{{ | waht now? |
| 18:48.33 | sander_ | asg: do you know what the extention line is? |
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| 18:48.46 | Eulex | Rubberducky{{, run xdm, gdm or kdm, whichever you are using |
| 18:48.53 | asg | sander_: look at the one that exists in /etc/php4/cli/php.ini |
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| 18:49.29 | Rubberducky{{ | it just flikkers my screen and goes back to cmd |
| 18:49.43 | kelv | Rubberducky{{ : or startx |
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| 18:49.55 | Eulex | Rubberducky{{, check the xfree86 log in /var/log |
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| 18:49.59 | Rubberducky{{ | datal IO error 104 |
| 18:50.02 | Rubberducky{{ | fatal* |
| 18:50.13 | Rubberducky{{ | con. reset by peer on s server |
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| 18:50.20 | Rubberducky{{ | x server sorry |
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| 18:50.26 | Eulex | I don't remember the exact filename, I'm on xorg now |
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| 18:50.34 | sander_ | asg: yes.. I got "pgsql.allow_persistent = On".. eg.. |
| 18:50.35 | sarek | hi |
| 18:50.47 | sarek | I just did an upgrade in sid and got gnome 2.10. But now all my menuitems that I added to the start menues manually are gone. And I can't find a way to add new entries to the given menues. Can anyone tell me how to do this? |
| 18:50.49 | sander_ | asg: and I have restarted apache2.. still dosnt work |
| 18:50.51 | asg | sander_: no, it will say 'extension=pgsql.so' or something like that |
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| 18:51.04 | Rubberducky{{ | ? |
| 18:51.15 | asg | sander_: and, if you are running apache2, it will need to go in /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini |
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| 18:51.58 | Rubberducky{{ | failed to initizalize core devices |
| 18:52.01 | Eulex | Rubberducky{{, that is specific to your graphics card... google for the error... and check the xfree86 log in /var/log for more info |
| 18:52.12 | Rubberducky{{ | k |
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| 18:52.19 | witless | i'm in the market for a portable audio device that will work well with debian (transferring audio to it). are there any that are particularly well supported? i have modest storage needs, need mp3 and ogg support... |
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| 18:52.37 | greycat | witless: the Neuros |
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| 18:53.05 | valdyn | witless: any that can be connected as an usb storage device and playback standard mp3 / ogg |
| 18:53.20 | witless | valdyn: greycat: thx |
| 18:53.41 | valdyn | witless: only one i used is an archos |
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| 18:53.41 | witless | greycat: i went to neuros.com - they send as text instead of html or is my browser broken? |
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| 18:53.47 | christor | PLease I neeed help , I have isntalled debian on my machine and I have this lessage sometimes localhost kernel: APIC error on CPU0: 02(08 |
| 18:53.52 | asg | witless: neurosaudio.com |
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| 18:54.06 | greycat | neurosaudio.com |
| 18:54.11 | valdyn | christor: that is the complete message? |
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| 18:54.15 | witless | thx |
| 18:54.20 | directhex | christor, add "noapic" to your grub boot options line |
| 18:54.21 | Casanova | isnt eclipse platform 3.0 available in the debian repositores yet? |
| 18:54.48 | jair | takatumi, looks ok? the apm is not running |
| 18:54.52 | valdyn | Casanova: apt-cache search or http://packages.debian.org |
| 18:54.54 | jair | the acpi is set to run |
| 18:55.05 | asg | the apm is set to stun |
| 18:55.06 | directhex | the neuros is favoured because it's Free, apparently it's only middling as an actual player |
| 18:55.06 | Casanova | valdyn, only 2.1 version is available |
| 18:55.06 | greycat | great... their "catalog" is broken too. |
| 18:55.08 | jair | takatumi, I want to try the apm instead acpi |
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| 18:55.17 | valdyn | Casanova: yea =/ |
| 18:55.28 | kelv | Casanova : apt-get.org |
| 18:55.28 | Casanova | :'( |
| 18:55.45 | takatumi | jair: rebooted? |
| 18:55.53 | Casanova | kelv, only 2.1 is avilable there too |
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| 18:56.02 | kelv | Casanova : :-/ damn |
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| 18:56.12 | kelv | package yourself, then share :) |
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| 18:56.20 | christor | valdyn: yes |
| 18:56.24 | Casanova | kelv, i am new to debian... how do i do that? |
| 18:56.28 | Dragon-Eater | yo |
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| 18:56.43 | christor | directhex: however at the install I have typed : linux26 acpi=off |
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| 18:57.02 | directhex | christor, i said apic, not acpi |
| 18:57.03 | christor | directhex: where is the line to add in the grub options? |
| 18:57.06 | valdyn | christor: you are getting an APIC error , not an acpi error |
| 18:57.16 | jair | takatumi, you mean do the changes in the grub that you told me and then reboot? |
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| 18:57.21 | kelv | Casanova: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html, but might be easier juts to install the binary :) |
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| 18:57.58 | directhex | christor, edit the kopts line in /boot/grub/menu.lst (don't uncomment it) and run update-grub |
| 18:58.00 | takatumi | christor: APIC != ACPI |
| 18:58.19 | takatumi | valdyn: sorry. |
| 18:58.24 | directhex | might also want nolapic |
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| 18:58.29 | takatumi | jair: yes. |
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| 18:58.43 | christor | takatumi: yesyes I have understood now |
| 18:58.47 | jair | takatumi, what of this I should edit ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/xooPjc35.html |
| 18:58.58 | jair | in grub is a lot of files |
| 18:59.17 | jair | takatumi, are you sure that grub is the one that handle what will be enable or disable on the boot? |
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| 18:59.20 | valdyn | jair: menu.lst |
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| 18:59.44 | jair | valdyn, that is for the hd that will be booting |
| 18:59.50 | jair | I was working on it before |
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| 19:00.02 | valdyn | jair: so? |
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| 19:00.47 | jair | valdyn, thank you but do not suggest me more insine things |
| 19:00.57 | valdyn | haha |
| 19:01.28 | jair | takatumi, where i will edit this: acpi=off or acpi=noacpi |
| 19:02.04 | kelv | Casanova : still having problems? I think you can just download the eclipse binary straight off adn run it (just did it now) |
| 19:02.15 | takatumi | jair: try one first. |
| 19:02.49 | takatumi | jair: add it to the end of the kernel line. |
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| 19:03.55 | christor | directhex|work: I don t understand what I have to do?? edit the kopts line and run update grub?? |
| 19:04.30 | valdyn | christor: that is one probability yes. |
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| 19:06.44 | jair | takatumi, ok |
| 19:07.03 | jair | takatumi, and them i will not touch the apm configurations right |
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| 19:09.13 | nomad_cz | Hi. I need help with Samba 3.0.14a on Sarge. Anyone willing to help ? ;) |
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| 19:09.41 | cmihai | What sort of "help". |
| 19:09.42 | valdyn | nomad_cz: you will know short after you ask your question.. |
| 19:09.49 | cmihai | As in..what's the problem |
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| 19:10.27 | nomad_cz | valdyn: syntax \\server\service%user does not work anymore. Could u confirm it ? |
| 19:10.47 | valdyn | nomad_cz: syntax of what? |
| 19:11.05 | nomad_cz | valdyn: access to shared samba folder |
| 19:11.18 | nomad_cz | valdyn: it used to work in on woody |
| 19:11.19 | valdyn | nomad_cz: you talking about smbmount? |
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| 19:11.34 | madclicker | how do i check , on irc, if i had any responses to my question that i posted an hour ago? |
| 19:11.39 | nomad_cz | valdyn: smbclient, win9x whatever |
| 19:12.07 | valdyn | nomad_cz: mount -t smbfs -o username=foo,password=bar //server/share /mnt/mountpoint |
| 19:12.33 | nomad_cz | valdyn: try smbclient //server/service%user - it should be (I think) this same as smbclient //server/service -U user |
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| 19:13.25 | madclicker | is there a way to block skype traffic through debian gateway server/ |
| 19:13.46 | nomad_cz | valdyn: I used to use it to access samba folders from MS Win. Does not work anymore and I do not know why ;( |
| 19:13.50 | valdyn | nomad_cz: tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME |
| 19:13.59 | nomad_cz | valdyn: Yep. Like me. |
| 19:14.02 | ^Duffy^ | madclicker: block the ports? |
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| 19:14.37 | nomad_cz | valdyn: but it is described in man smb.conf |
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| 19:15.04 | valdyn | nomad_cz: guess the manpage is wrong, file a bugreport ) |
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| 19:15.30 | crOOked | ^Duffy^ well... skype can use various ports... so that wouldn't help. |
| 19:15.31 | nomad_cz | valdyn: never done it before ;) And my english sux ;) |
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| 19:16.51 | crOOked | but. maybe banning all skype hubs/servers would help so user can't authorise himself on network. |
| 19:16.54 | Lee__ | what is a command to check if a package is installed or not? |
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| 19:17.18 | jjn | I can't seem to find a good answer and I'm driving myslef nuts :-) I have DVD reader and DVD burner (hdd and hdc respective) 2.6.8 kernel no scsi emulation -shoudl I use scsi emul - xcdroast and oterh apps complain that I don;t have it... |
| 19:17.21 | takatumi | jair: it should get loaded and acpi disabled, if not apm ain't supported. |
| 19:17.23 | Seb | Lee__: dpkg -l |
| 19:17.30 | Lee__ | Seb: thanks |
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| 19:17.48 | jjn | but most dvd burning stuff says I dont need scsi emul with 2.6 kernel.. |
| 19:18.50 | dudes | jjn - ha! You're on the same page as me |
| 19:19.20 | greycat | 2.6.x kernels do not have working ide-scsi. you don't want it. |
| 19:19.22 | jjn | dudes: the authr of dvd_rw-tools states you dont need it but he uses it :-) Too confusing... |
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| 19:19.49 | jjn | greycat- So better off without it then (and jsut use workaround - cdrecord -dev=ATAPI: |
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| 19:20.17 | dudes | jjn - I read somewhere that it's something with 2.6.8 kernels that f-ups burning. I was going to upgrade to 2.6.11 lastnight but I was too drunk. Figured I'd make a mistake if I tried. |
| 19:20.19 | valdyn | jjn: -dev=/dev/hdc |
| 19:20.22 | greycat | dev=ATA: NOT dev=ATAPI: |
| 19:20.35 | greycat | ATAPI: is deprecated. Welcome to Linux 2.6, the kernel of instability. |
| 19:20.39 | takatumi | dudes: sid? |
| 19:20.43 | dudes | Sarge |
| 19:20.44 | jjn | greycat: Oh yeah I did use -dev=ATA: -scanbus |
| 19:20.47 | sniper- | valdyn |
| 19:20.53 | otroean | when i write df -l my swap partition is gone... it should be hda5 |
| 19:20.57 | robin_sz | so, is there Internent Explorer for debian? .. and will it run on my mac? |
| 19:21.10 | valdyn | robin_sz: no |
| 19:21.14 | dudes | robin_sz - not that I've ever heard of |
| 19:21.14 | robin_sz | dang |
| 19:21.17 | Lee__ | !smite robin_sz |
| 19:21.20 | shingouz | robin_sz: you better lay off the crack |
| 19:21.23 | robin_sz | oh not again! |
| 19:21.28 | crOOked | robin_sz: no |
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| 19:21.36 | robin_sz | oh ;) |
| 19:21.43 | jjn | Is there a way for xcdroast to stop complaining - or another cd burningn app that doesnt care about scsi emulation? |
| 19:21.55 | jjn | or is it all cdrecords fault since that is back-end? |
| 19:22.23 | valdyn | jjn: what is xcdroast complaining about? |
| 19:22.27 | dudes | jjn - I don't know. 2.4 kernels were easy to burn on. 2.6 is a (b*tch.) I think anyway |
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| 19:22.51 | jjn | valdyn: everytime it seeks drives it states - this would be faster with scsi -emulation yadayada |
| 19:23.00 | Eulex | robin_sz, why would you want internet exploder when you can get firefox? :) |
| 19:23.07 | valdyn | jjn: alright, that is xcdroasts fault. |
| 19:23.12 | dudes | jjn - I don't get that. It tells me that no writer found |
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| 19:23.33 | takatumi | dudes: then you're not on the same page eh? |
| 19:23.46 | valdyn | jjn: there's new methods to scan for burners that xcdroast ( probably not being actively maintained for a while ) does not support. |
| 19:23.46 | Lee__ | dudes: I've been using the Gnome cd burner and k3b with sarge. I haven't had to change anything beyond the application's configuration to allow my user access to the CD-RW. |
| 19:23.47 | crOOked | robin_sz try using firefox afaik you can use it both on macos and linux, and m$ :) |
| 19:23.51 | jjn | dudes - It finds both my drives but jsut complains a lot- it read and Im burnging now |
| 19:24.25 | jjn | k3b worked OK but im in gnome -what os gnome burnign napp or is it built into nautilus? |
| 19:24.32 | robin_sz | Eulex: but does that have activeX? |
| 19:24.38 | valdyn | jjn: try gnomebaker or graveman |
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| 19:24.53 | Eulex | !iesmite robin_sz |
| 19:25.00 | nomad_cz | valdyn: I was told it is a low priority bug ;) |
| 19:25.02 | robin_sz | Eulex: or will a need a special activeX plugin for debian? |
| 19:25.04 | shingouz | robin_sz: are you trolling? |
| 19:25.07 | Eulex | !mssmite robin_sz |
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| 19:25.17 | valdyn | nomad_cz: yea i guess, since its docs |
| 19:25.23 | robin_sz | shingouz: sadly, yes. I know .. I know. its bad... but I coulnet resist :) |
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| 19:25.31 | nomad_cz | valdyn: I have been trying to make it work all day ;) |
| 19:25.37 | Eulex | robin_sz: activex is specific to windows |
| 19:25.53 | jjn | valdyn: thanks I will try those. |
| 19:25.54 | Eulex | afaik |
| 19:25.59 | shingouz | robin_sz: pbbblt.... i think oyu need to put on your asbestos underwear pretty soon |
| 19:26.08 | robin_sz | shingouz: I got a new toy today and was celebratign with my usual troll, I shall smite myself oftne as punishment |
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| 19:26.41 | shingouz | robin_sz: do the smites on #debian-bots or with /msg ;) |
| 19:26.51 | robin_sz | fair point :) |
| 19:26.58 | robin_sz | should I do my trolling on there too? |
| 19:27.14 | shingouz | robin_sz: and sing the free software song at least sixteen times |
| 19:27.15 | shingouz | yes |
| 19:27.30 | linlin | what is mingettty |
| 19:27.32 | Lee__ | !knoppixsmite robin_sz |
| 19:27.45 | robin_sz | heh |
| 19:27.49 | Eulex | linlin: read the man page |
| 19:27.51 | Lee__ | linlin: your virtual terminals |
| 19:28.18 | Eulex | anyway, we gotta get a !mssmite or a !microsoftsmite |
| 19:28.19 | linlin | theres so many instances of it though, is that bad? |
| 19:28.28 | Eulex | linlin: no |
| 19:28.29 | robin_sz | not bad, |
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| 19:28.33 | Lee__ | yesh, how does one make a new bot smite? |
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| 19:28.42 | cmihai | wtf is the free software song? I hope it's not that rms "hackers you'll be free bla bla" thing ... |
| 19:28.46 | robin_sz | linlin: although it looks big, most of that memory is shared |
| 19:28.51 | shingouz | cmihai: the very same |
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| 19:28.58 | Lee__ | linlin: this'll blow your mind. press ctrl + left alt + F2 |
| 19:29.01 | Eulex | linlin: there should be one per console |
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| 19:29.13 | cmihai | Ahhh, horrible. |
| 19:29.25 | cmihai | Dang, that's one mean punishment. |
| 19:29.33 | shingouz | cmihai: replaces the 24 Ave Marias |
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| 19:29.41 | shingouz | cruel and unusual |
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| 19:29.47 | jesperj | dmesg says: "ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx" "hda: 234441648 sectors (120034 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63, UDMA(100) /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 >" ... How do I check if/make suer my harddrive is run with ata 100 and not 33? |
| 19:29.57 | CyL | what would be a good p2p client for linux? |
| 19:30.05 | kelv | CyL: xmule :) |
| 19:30.07 | robin_sz | Lee__: and after hes pressed ctrl-alt-F2 ... you can tell him how to get his X session back .. oh, too late :) |
| 19:30.08 | Lee__ | CyL: apt-get install azureus |
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| 19:30.20 | cmihai | A good p2p clien for linux would be BitTorrent. _the_ bit torrent. btdownloadheadless.py |
| 19:30.33 | kelv | cmihai : prefer the curses version:) |
| 19:30.34 | CyL | kelv Lee__ does it support resume and has a nice gui interface? |
| 19:30.40 | Lee__ | or that one. gtk-gnutella is alright. |
| 19:30.45 | Lee__ | CyL: RTFM my friend. |
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| 19:30.56 | Rubberducky{{ | fags |
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| 19:30.59 | cmihai | Hahaha |
| 19:31.02 | kelv | Lee__ : or RTFC |
| 19:31.03 | slashzul | exit |
| 19:31.03 | robin_sz | anyway ... stuff all this code .. I got a new laser to play with :) |
| 19:31.07 | xam | jesperj: I think it means PCI bus speed, not IDE interface speed |
| 19:31.12 | cmihai | Why the hell would you need a gui interface for bittorent... |
| 19:31.13 | valdyn | jesperj: that 33Mhz stuff is about PIO modes that you dont even use hopefully. |
| 19:31.38 | Lee__ | cmihai: resume is nice. especially for getting a 1:1 ratio on DSL/Cable lines. |
| 19:31.40 | CyL | kelv RTFM iss allright to me, but what does RTFC means? |
| 19:31.41 | cmihai | I just drop btdownloadheadless in a screen on my server, hook up some 20DVD's, and forget about it for the next month. |
| 19:31.52 | kelv | Run The F* Client :) |
| 19:31.52 | cmihai | Lee__: btdownload has resume ;) |
| 19:32.02 | Lee__ | Az is pretty and has a little tree frog. |
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| 19:32.33 | kelv | mmm tree frog... frogs are tasty |
| 19:32.37 | valdyn | jesperj: there's also a UDMA(100), as you saw i guess |
| 19:32.41 | cmihai | Gee, that's one f**k of an argument. |
| 19:32.41 | cmihai | It has a frog. I see. |
| 19:32.41 | cmihai | That's why it needs java. |
| 19:32.47 | CyL | cmihai yes it would be really nice... but doing apt-get install bittorrent seems to be broken |
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| 19:32.52 | Lee__ | yum, java and frogs. |
| 19:32.59 | cmihai | CyL: are you sure ?! |
| 19:33.10 | cmihai | works fine here. |
| 19:33.16 | valdyn | jesperj: hdparm -i /dev/hda |
| 19:33.17 | Eulex | Lee__: java is evil |
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| 19:33.22 | kelv | CyL: error message pls :) |
| 19:33.25 | CyL | cmihai Err http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main bittorrent 3.4.2-3 |
| 19:33.28 | Lee__ | Eulex: especially mixed with frogs |
| 19:33.30 | CyL | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.36 | Lee__ | oh christ! |
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| 19:33.51 | Eulex | CyL, do apt-get update |
| 19:33.51 | Lee__ | CyL: use a mirror that's actually online. |
| 19:33.59 | Lee__ | or that |
| 19:34.01 | shingouz | CyL: you have some oddities with your DNS |
| 19:34.09 | stew | he just needs to update |
| 19:34.14 | mtnman | greycat: ping |
| 19:34.18 | cmihai | Well, bit tornado is fun |
| 19:34.21 | xam | mhh, frog cocktail ... yummy! |
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| 19:34.30 | kelv | xam : gimme one |
| 19:34.33 | shingouz | 404? that is not found -> bad dns most of the days |
| 19:34.39 | cmihai | bitdownloadcurses.bittornado :) |
| 19:34.40 | otroean | how can i get webmin 1.210 with apt-get. it says 1.180 is the newest one... |
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| 19:34.52 | CyL | Lee__ Trying the update for instance... waiting to the source file to finish download... but it is really strange since I hace like 10 mirror configured to apt |
| 19:34.53 | stew | shingouz: how could the server return a 404 if he can't resovle the dns? |
| 19:35.00 | cmihai | Webmin sucks. |
| 19:35.12 | zOap | how do I restart, stop and start eth0? |
| 19:35.12 | CyL | shingouz no, I have not any oddity... |
| 19:35.13 | Eulex | yeah, feast on java and its progeny |
| 19:35.14 | shingouz | oh. i need caffeine. sorry |
| 19:35.17 | stew | the current testing version is 3.4.2-4 not 3.4.2-3 |
| 19:35.30 | jesperj | xam, I don't know enough about hardware to be able to tell if the PIO mode thing had anything to do with the IDE interface speed. I just saw 33mhz and thought it might mean I am running ata 33 |
| 19:35.35 | valdyn | CyL: run apt-get update |
| 19:35.36 | jesperj | valdyn, ty will check |
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| 19:35.46 | mtnman | zOal:man ifup |
| 19:36.01 | CyL | stew wouldn't the bw wrong, since I'm using sarge that is the current stable? |
| 19:36.02 | usn | hi folx |
| 19:36.17 | zOap | mtnman, I guess you meant zOap ? Ok, Ill try |
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| 19:36.21 | valdyn | CyL: testing is not sarge |
| 19:36.33 | Lee__ | CyL: get a good mirror from www.debian.org and update your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:36.35 | CyL | anyway... does xmule or azureus support resuming? |
| 19:36.35 | jesperj | valdyn, it is in udma5 mode. Is that ata100? |
| 19:36.41 | stew | CyL> cmihai Err http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main bittorrent 3.4.2-3 |
| 19:36.43 | kelv | CyL: xmule does |
| 19:36.47 | stew | ^^^ testing == etch, not stable or sarge |
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| 19:36.49 | shingouz | kelv: are these frogs caffeinated? |
| 19:36.54 | stew | !info bittorrent testing |
| 19:36.58 | xam | jesperj: yeah, I can understand that message might confuse people ... |
| 19:36.59 | valdyn | jesperj: i dont know, man hdparm has info maybe |
| 19:37.00 | CyL | valdyn sure it is not... but sarge is my current installed distro... |
| 19:37.01 | dpkg | bittorrent: (Scatter-gather network file transfer), section net, is optional. Version: 3.4.2-4 (etch), Packaged size: 86 kB, Installed size: 528 kB |
| 19:37.04 | cmihai | CyL: just about everything does. And stew what's that got to do with me ?! |
| 19:37.07 | cmihai | I already have bittorrent and bittornado. |
| 19:37.12 | jesperj | ty valdyn |
| 19:37.19 | jesperj | xam, *nod* :) |
| 19:37.20 | stew | cmihai: i was quoting him when he addressed you |
| 19:37.35 | mtnman | in bash: how to check if "word" is a member of an arrary? |
| 19:37.46 | mtnman | s/arrary/array/ |
| 19:37.46 | jesperj | "Ultra DMA modes, such as UDMA2, 4, and 5, are also referred to as ATA/33, ATA/66, and ATA/100, respectively." |
| 19:37.49 | cmihai | Ah :) |
| 19:37.54 | jesperj | :) |
| 19:38.06 | jesperj | so it's all good |
| 19:38.13 | cmihai | Sorry, a bit comfused, trying to backup 320GB on 4GB dvd's .... |
| 19:38.25 | Eulex | I gotta check my udma too... |
| 19:38.28 | tarzeau | paulswm, jharrisonwk, jethro we have new #bub-n-bros levels! |
| 19:38.30 | nomad_cz | valdyn: One last question ;) It is unlikely to have this bug removed in Sarge, is it ? I mean it is not security issue .... What do u think ? |
| 19:38.41 | tarzeau | original c-64 levels! JOIN NOW! http://BUB-N-BROS.SF.NET |
| 19:38.43 | kelv | shingouz: added kahlua to the frog cocktail :) |
| 19:38.48 | valdyn | nomad_cz: not unlikely, more like impossible. |
| 19:38.49 | tarzeau | shingouz: you too? |
| 19:38.50 | xam | jesperj: (U)DMA != PIO ... |
| 19:38.52 | CyL | Doing apt-cache search xmule/azureus returned no results... |
| 19:38.54 | shingouz | eugh. alky :p |
| 19:39.01 | jesperj | looks like my other drive got an udma6 mode also... |
| 19:39.17 | nomad_cz | valdyn: ;)) Bloody hell ;) |
| 19:39.17 | jesperj | if udma5 is ata100 I guess udma6 is ata133 |
| 19:39.27 | paulswm | tarzeau: I have been working over34 hours straight and still not done, I am seeing enough dragons and bubbles already :) |
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| 19:39.35 | otroean | cmihai, i still want to know how i can get webmin 1.210 with apt-get |
| 19:40.15 | xam | jesperj: correct |
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| 19:40.32 | cmihai | otroean: You can probably get an older version. If 1.210 ain't in sid, install it by hand. Still, like I said, webmin is useless, and crap. |
| 19:40.39 | nomad_cz | Bye ... |
| 19:40.42 | Eulex | otroean, if it's not in the official apt repos, consider going to apt-get.org... or get a binary |
| 19:40.44 | nomad_cz | valdyn: And thanks ;) |
| 19:40.45 | jesperj | xam, I don't know anything about PIO speed. I am just concerned that my my system is using the hardware to it's full potential. How do I know what "idebus" speed to set? |
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| 19:40.51 | _folken | does someone in here feel capable of answering legal questions to the gpl? |
| 19:40.53 | tarzeau | no more bubble bobble fans? |
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| 19:41.06 | valdyn | jesperj: don't set or touch it. |
| 19:41.29 | mtnman | _folken: there is a "debian-legal" mailing list. |
| 19:41.40 | sniper- | valdyn : fetchmail retrieves mail, but procmail don't send files to $HOME/Maildir/new |
| 19:41.45 | plugwash | when browsing the web with konqueror on my sarge system i can't see unicode charactors i suspect this is a font issue |
| 19:41.47 | sniper- | what can i do? |
| 19:41.47 | jesperj | why valdyn? |
| 19:41.55 | plugwash | any idea what i need to install to fix this |
| 19:41.59 | xam | jesperj: you really shoudn,t (need to) mess with that value, it will autodetect |
| 19:42.00 | _folken | mtnman: i realize.. but I'd rather not have my inquires logged globally. |
| 19:42.06 | plugwash | sorry i mean etch system not sarge system) |
| 19:42.12 | stew | plugwash: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 19:42.23 | mtnman | plugwash: you may need to dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
| 19:42.37 | valdyn | sniper-: where is the mail getting stuck? how does your procmailrc look? |
| 19:42.59 | plugwash | mtnman wtf would locales have to do with unicode support in a web browser? |
| 19:43.09 | valdyn | sniper-: is fetchmail passing mail to procmail? |
| 19:43.33 | xam | jesperj: only interesting option is turning DMA on (if not enabled automagically) |
| 19:43.37 | mtnman | plugwash: if you run it, one of the choices is "unicode" iirc. |
| 19:44.03 | jesperj | xam, valdyn: ok I take your word for it. Have you got any tips of tutorials on making sure one's system is using the right settings for your hardware? |
| 19:44.10 | jesperj | or optimizing it |
| 19:44.10 | plugwash | mtnman true but shouldn't that only effect the console? |
| 19:44.11 | sniper- | i have this command : mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d user" |
| 19:44.20 | sniper- | in .fetchmailrc |
| 19:44.22 | mtnman | plugwash: not sure. |
| 19:44.28 | valdyn | sniper-: can you paste the appropriate line from .fetchmailrc ? |
| 19:44.40 | sniper- | ok |
| 19:44.48 | valdyn | sniper-: -d $USER |
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| 19:45.00 | sniper- | valdyn : yes. -d $USER |
| 19:45.20 | jesperj | xam, is dma something used besides udma or is it one or the other? hdparm doesnt say it is enabled |
| 19:45.22 | mtnman | plugwash: well, it will definitely effect more than console. xterm, for example. |
| 19:45.24 | valdyn | sniper-: looks good, now to your .procmailrc.. |
| 19:45.26 | jesperj | udma is though |
| 19:45.39 | sniper- | there are no errors. but don't appears anything |
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| 19:46.00 | sniper- | ok. |
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| 19:46.05 | jesperj | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.09 | sniper- | the .procmailrc |
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| 19:46.40 | WiseDragon | is there an easy way to have debuild rebuild a package statically linked? |
| 19:46.48 | sniper- | MAILDIR = $HOME/Maildir |
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| 19:47.16 | sniper- | DEFAULT = $MAILDIR/new |
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| 19:47.39 | greycat | are you *quite* sure you don't want a / on the end of that Maildir name? |
| 19:47.46 | valdyn | sniper-: that is false, a maildir is specificed like "$MAILDIR/" |
| 19:47.59 | sniper- | with / at the end? |
| 19:48.04 | valdyn | sniper-: you dont specify the "new" you add a trailing / |
| 19:48.11 | jair | guys how could i check the messages sended to me? |
| 19:48.15 | Eulex | WiseDragon: why? |
| 19:48.20 | valdyn | sniper-: that is how procmail knows that it is a maildir |
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| 19:48.25 | greycat | jair: to which messages are you referring? |
| 19:48.27 | jair | I lost them because of the scrolling of the channel |
| 19:48.29 | xam | jesperj: dma means either (old, simple) DMA, multi-word DMA or UltraDMA ... when you turn dma on with 'hdparm -d 1' it will set to the highest supported mode for your hardware |
| 19:48.29 | jesperj | ah I see now |
| 19:48.34 | greycat | jair: /lastlog jair |
| 19:48.37 | jair | like this one you send me |
| 19:48.38 | sniper- | valdyn : with / at the end |
| 19:48.41 | jair | ;) |
| 19:48.48 | greycat | jair: or just PageUp/PageDown |
| 19:48.59 | valdyn | sniper-: hmm? which part is unclear? |
| 19:49.07 | jesperj | xam, cool |
| 19:49.16 | mtnman | greycat: a small sample script using the snippet you gave me (to match "word" against an array" does not seem to work. do you have time to look at about 12 lines of shell code? |
| 19:49.22 | sniper- | valdyn : i understand. then DEFAULT=$MAILDIR too ? |
| 19:49.24 | Eulex | WiseDragon: you need to set up a chroot'ed environment? |
| 19:49.25 | jair | greycat, thank you |
| 19:49.27 | greycat | mtnman: ask #bash |
| 19:49.41 | mtnman | greycat: okay, thanks. |
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| 19:49.47 | jair | takatumi, are you still here? |
| 19:49.56 | sniper- | valdyn : MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir and DEFAULT=$MAILDIR ??? |
| 19:50.01 | jair | takatumi, can you send me the last part of the conversation ? |
| 19:50.10 | sniper- | valdyn : MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/ and DEFAULT=$MAILDIR ??? excuse me |
| 19:50.18 | jair | takatumi, I had to run out and I missed the last instructions |
| 19:50.20 | valdyn | sniper-: yea. |
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| 19:50.33 | sniper- | valdyn : thanks. i'll see |
| 19:50.42 | jesperj | xam, valdyn: Thank you very much for the information. |
| 19:50.46 | WiseDragon | Eulex: Sort of. I have an embedded linux platform and I need strace on it without any dependencies. |
| 19:50.46 | Eulex | jair: add acpi=off or acpi=noacpi to your kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:51.02 | xam | jesperj: np |
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| 19:51.52 | Eulex | WiseDragon: why not just use ldd to find out what libs strace uses? |
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| 19:52.20 | sniper- | valdyn : there's no need to add this: :0: \ new ??? |
| 19:52.23 | sniper- | :0: |
| 19:52.26 | sniper- | new |
| 19:52.28 | sniper- | ????? |
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| 19:52.36 | valdyn | sniper-: nop |
| 19:52.37 | valdyn | sniper-: nope |
| 19:52.40 | pder | does gnome 2.10 work with a 2.4.x kernel? |
| 19:53.15 | thorie | how do I override domain name resolution for *.thorie.com ? |
| 19:53.18 | sniper- | valdyn : ok |
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| 19:53.47 | greycat | thorie: man 5 hosts |
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| 19:54.23 | Eulex | WiseDragon: it uses on libc.so.6 and /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (on i386, may be different on that machine) |
| 19:54.28 | WiseDragon | Eulex: so I'd copy those libs over and load them with LD_PRELOAD or something? |
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| 19:55.20 | valdyn | sniper-: you probably could use it. but it isnt symmetric to how new mail is dealt with using mbox so i don't use it at all. |
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| 19:56.25 | Eulex | WiseDragon, well, that would probably work... but why not just place them in the right places in the file system? btw, you should have libc6 on it, and I think ld-linux is very common too |
| 19:56.56 | sniper- | valdyn : what do you use ? |
| 19:57.12 | valdyn | sniper-: to deal with new mail? |
| 19:57.51 | valdyn | sniper-: i put old mail away into readbox or trash or whatever |
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| 19:59.20 | sniper- | valdyn : no. to deal with all mail. new and old |
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| 20:00.25 | glick | excuse me i did a task install of sql |
| 20:00.32 | glick | did it install mySQL? |
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| 20:00.44 | kelv | dpkg -l |
| 20:01.07 | glick | damn it installed postgresql |
| 20:01.20 | rutski89 | glick: debian net_install? |
| 20:01.29 | glick | rutski89, yeah |
| 20:01.39 | rutski89 | glick: yea, it does postgresql O.o |
| 20:01.39 | valdyn | sniper-: if you specify mail to be put into your $MAILDIR it will show in your inbox in your mua, one its configured properly, you can do with old mail whatever you want.. "cd ~/Maildir" && maildirmake .trash ( for example ) |
| 20:01.43 | rutski89 | glick: do mysql by hand |
| 20:01.43 | WiseDragon | Eulex: strace wants GLIBC_2.3, but I only have GLIBC_2.2 on the system. |
| 20:01.51 | glick | how do i remove postsgrel |
| 20:02.04 | jair | Eulex, thank you very much |
| 20:02.14 | tcsetattr | WiseDragon, why don't you get an strace from wherever you got your glibc from? |
| 20:03.01 | WiseDragon | I'm not sure where it came from. |
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| 20:03.32 | tcsetattr | quite a reliable system you're building then :) |
| 20:03.37 | sslashes | what debian package includes the 'import' command? |
| 20:04.33 | tcsetattr | imagemagick: usr/bin/import |
| 20:04.46 | WiseDragon | it's basically a minimal busybox based boot CD that I use to unpack disk images. |
| 20:04.48 | sslashes | shh; yes, thanks |
| 20:04.53 | tcsetattr | or are you hacking someone else's embedded system? |
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| 20:05.01 | greycat | WiseDragon: get woody's strace, then. woody has 2.2. |
| 20:05.16 | WiseDragon | ok, I'll try that, greycat. |
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| 20:05.47 | kelv | sslashes : packages.debian.org |
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| 20:06.21 | sslashes | kelv: heh, thanks |
| 20:06.31 | capu | Please can anyone tell me what package I need to get for "GTK Devel Packages" - I've tryed an apt-cache search on it, but it turns back millions of results that i dont understand... anyone? |
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| 20:07.06 | valdyn | capu: apt-cache search libgtk -dev |
| 20:07.19 | mwelsh | anyone feel like helping me configure a USB scanner in Sarge? |
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| 20:07.37 | kelv | capu : packages ending with -dev is the development packages |
| 20:07.38 | valdyn | capu: ops, apt-cache search libgtk "\-dev" |
| 20:07.43 | sniper- | valdyn : i need retrieve multiple pop3 accounts in the server, that the lan users can retrieve the mail in each mail client like outlook |
| 20:07.45 | kelv | there we go :) |
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| 20:07.59 | capu | umm |
| 20:08.04 | capu | it's done something funny to the console |
| 20:08.15 | sniper- | valdyn : but i need to store the mail in maildir format because i use qmail |
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| 20:08.20 | capu | i've now got a " > | " |
| 20:08.23 | drac | mwelsh: apt-cache show sane |
| 20:08.28 | capu | and nothing appears to be happening |
| 20:08.43 | nvz | capu: be more specific, there are two versions of gtk in debian, and there may be multiple answers even then, one may be easier than the other |
| 20:08.55 | nvz | capu: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:08.56 | capu | i dont know myself.. here's the error: |
| 20:09.08 | nvz | capu: dont paste in here |
| 20:09.08 | valdyn | sniper-: ah, so new might be useful for that, i cant help you setting up the pop3 server.. |
| 20:09.10 | capu | Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found). |
| 20:09.25 | nvz | !wayttd capu |
| 20:09.26 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, capu? |
| 20:09.32 | capu | people've asked about it on the internet, but i found no solutions to it |
| 20:09.37 | stew | capu: what are you trying to compile? |
| 20:09.41 | capu | install whatever that program is trying to tell me it needs |
| 20:09.45 | capu | mplayer GUI |
| 20:09.53 | sh4dowcat | uhh |
| 20:09.57 | nvz | capu: why not use the mplayer packages? |
| 20:09.57 | stew | capu: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:10.00 | kelv | capu: off topic, but why not just install the package |
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| 20:10.15 | capu | i dont know what package to install! thats what im saying |
| 20:10.24 | sh4dowcat | dude |
| 20:10.29 | tcsetattr | dood! |
| 20:10.35 | capu | dewd |
| 20:10.36 | Eulex | d0000d |
| 20:10.38 | sh4dowcat | capu: follow the install readme |
| 20:10.39 | FieldySnuts | !prise Phated |
| 20:10.39 | nvz | capu: no, what I am saying, is why not use a binary mplayer package instead of building the program from source |
| 20:10.47 | sh4dowcat | it tells you waht exactly what to do |
| 20:10.51 | sh4dowcat | what* |
| 20:10.52 | nvz | capu: do you have any specific reason you need to compile |
| 20:11.01 | sh4dowcat | and yes that includes compiling with the gui |
| 20:11.10 | sniper- | valdyn : i appreciate if you can help me |
| 20:11.14 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite capu |
| 20:11.14 | sh4dowcat | takes all of 10 min to read the readme to figure out how to generate the .deb package |
| 20:11.14 | ravenbird | capu: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 20:11.18 | capu | not really - i messed up all the other ways lol |
| 20:11.30 | sh4dowcat | capu: how about reading the readme? |
| 20:11.34 | sh4dowcat | or INSTALL or whatever it was called |
| 20:11.35 | capu | i've read it |
| 20:11.36 | drac | capu: Against all everything said before, you could add marillats repository to sources.list and do 'apt-get build-dep mplayer-586' that fetches all packages needed for mplayer compilation. |
| 20:11.36 | capu | i followed it |
| 20:11.38 | valdyn | sniper-: how are your users getting their mail? |
| 20:11.44 | sh4dowcat | capu: then read it again |
| 20:11.53 | sh4dowcat | because it's pretty clear on what you need to do |
| 20:12.08 | capu | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/README |
| 20:12.10 | capu | i followed that, |
| 20:12.11 | nvz | capu: or you could just use the marrilat repo and download the binary package and not build anything or get any build deps |
| 20:12.25 | capu | drac, how do i do that to sources.list? |
| 20:12.31 | sh4dowcat | heeh |
| 20:12.36 | drac | capu: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 20:12.45 | drac | d'oh |
| 20:12.55 | Eulex | capu, why do you want to compile it when you can get binaries? |
| 20:13.16 | shingouz | capu: use apt-setup to add to the sources.list |
| 20:13.17 | sh4dowcat | Eulex: actually the readme recommends a compile |
| 20:13.40 | mwelsh | drac: i installed sane and checked the sane website on if my scanner is compatable, it is. now do i use gimp to acquire scans? |
| 20:13.58 | RainbowW | why does grub seem to insist that i have an initrd (or what about my custom-compiled kernel is making grub think one's there)? |
| 20:14.10 | RainbowW | i'm getting a kernel panic, unable to mount root, on my custom kernel |
| 20:14.21 | nvz | sh4dowcat: screw the readme, this person is using debian, and obviously doesnt know how or need to compile |
| 20:14.26 | sh4dowcat | RainbowW: that means you need to go and redo your configuration again |
| 20:14.45 | sh4dowcat | nvz: agreed on the "how" part |
| 20:14.56 | drac | mwelsh: I'm sorry to say but I don't remember anymore -- it's been long time since i've had a scanner. Shouldn't be hard though. |
| 20:14.58 | RainbowW | sh4dowcat can you provide a pointer about where to look, since i'm obviously missing it. |
| 20:15.00 | shingouz | RainbowW: you need all drivers for the root filesystem statically in the kernel if you do not use an initrd |
| 20:15.06 | mwelsh | thx anyway |
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| 20:15.13 | RainbowW | shingouz: both ext2 and ext3 are static, not modules. |
| 20:15.33 | reamtS | anyone know where the UID incremental number is located at or file? |
| 20:15.36 | valdyn | RainbowW: and you disk controller driver? |
| 20:15.40 | hajiki | im installing libhesiod, and it asked me for a hesiod domain for searches? do i take the default or put my domain in there? |
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| 20:15.51 | RainbowW | hmm. good thought, will look, thank you. |
| 20:15.55 | shingouz | RainbowW: have you considered adding the ide/scsi/sata/whathaveyou in there? also the pci/isa/mca and so on.. |
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| 20:16.14 | hogwash | help: anyone have netgear ha501 drivers for debian 3.1 |
| 20:16.15 | hogwash | ? |
| 20:16.18 | jasoncohen | i just ran apt dist-upgrade on my sid system and i saw 3 grave critical bugs for sid from apt-listbugs. However, i just checked the BTS and there are 0 critical bugs. i then ran apt-listbugs list webmin and got no output. why is apt-listbugs showing me old bugs when i do a dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:16.31 | shingouz | RainbowW: i said everything you need to access the root fs, not just the filesystem driver itself |
| 20:16.51 | nvz | jasoncohen: did you apt-get update ? |
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| 20:17.08 | valdyn | jasoncohen: it shows even fixed bugs and marks them as such, no idea why. |
| 20:17.17 | nvz | jasoncohen: if you are fetching old packages, then you have old bugs |
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| 20:17.23 | nvz | you have to update |
| 20:17.32 | RainbowW | shingouz et al: that seems to be it. ide drivers compiled as modules. will do, thank you. |
| 20:17.41 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 20:17.47 | sh4dowcat | and you're wondering why it panics? |
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| 20:17.48 | TNKS | hi all. I was reading some source code for USB, and I came across references to ISO "TD" and "TTs". Does someone here know what TD or TT stands for? |
| 20:17.57 | shingouz | RainbowW: remember the rest of the stuff too |
| 20:17.59 | hogwash | help pls: anyone have ar5k drivers for netgear HA501 for sarge?? |
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| 20:18.07 | glick | hey is debian apache2 document root /var/www.apache2-default/ and how come when i type in the address of the server do i see this in the browser http://ip.add.re.ss/apache2-default/ |
| 20:18.09 | glick | ? |
| 20:18.13 | TNKS | I thought maybe the T stood for Tranfer or Transaction. |
| 20:18.18 | RainbowW | sh4dowcat that's why i asked for pointers about what i should check. |
| 20:18.29 | shingouz | hogwash: and what the hell is the HA501? |
| 20:18.43 | nvz | fuckinggoogleit.com |
| 20:18.44 | hogwash | netgear wireless card running on 802.11a |
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| 20:18.58 | jasoncohen | nvz, apt-get update is run automatically by cron-apt as is apt-get dist-upgrade -y -d |
| 20:18.58 | nvz | wtf is 802.11a? |
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| 20:19.04 | shingouz | hogwash: as nvz said |
| 20:19.06 | Draconicus | Ugh... kernels take a very long time to build. ._. |
| 20:19.08 | hogwash | did already nvz - no downloads - looks like ar5k is no longer |
| 20:19.08 | RainbowW | netgear sucks on linux. |
| 20:19.14 | shingouz | nvz: something a bit older |
| 20:19.16 | nvz | jasoncohen: I'd run it manually before I bitch about it |
| 20:19.19 | sh4dowcat | Draconicus: no they don't |
| 20:19.28 | sh4dowcat | takes around 20 min |
| 20:19.34 | Eulex | Draconicus, depends on your system |
| 20:19.35 | Draconicus | sh4dowcat: Well... it feels longer. :P |
| 20:19.37 | jasoncohen | nvz, nope- i just fetched the newest sid package of webmin - 1.210a-2 |
| 20:19.39 | shingouz | hogwash: older kernel then i guess. you are in deep do-do with that card in anycase |
| 20:19.40 | nvz | then fuckingcryaboutit.com |
| 20:19.53 | Eulex | Draconicus, on my old p2 300 it took 4h :) |
| 20:19.59 | sh4dowcat | time make-kpkg ..... |
| 20:20.01 | sh4dowcat | does wonders |
| 20:20.02 | Draconicus | Ouch, Eulex. |
| 20:20.16 | Draconicus | So.. um... This is still the testing kernel, right? It's 2.6.8, so it must be. |
| 20:20.17 | sh4dowcat | Eulex: stop compiling everything into the kernel :P |
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| 20:20.22 | hogwash | prolly 2.2.x kernal you think? |
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| 20:20.23 | debugger | hello. |
| 20:20.27 | FieldySnuts | !kernal |
| 20:20.27 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 20:20.34 | Draconicus | Is there a newer testing kernel? |
| 20:20.41 | sh4dowcat | not sure |
| 20:20.48 | Draconicus | hogwash: This isn't a C64. |
| 20:20.54 | sh4dowcat | I've been using a custom kernel since 2.6.9 |
| 20:21.02 | jasoncohen | nvz, what do you mean? i got the cron-apt report and then ran apt-get dist-upgrade to install the packages and i was shown 3 grave bugs on webmin. i read the bugs and then installed because the bugs were all resolved. I then checked packages.qa.debian.org for webmin and it showed 0 RC bugs- the highest bug level was important |
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| 20:21.21 | Draconicus | sh4dowcat: You aren't on testing? |
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| 20:21.30 | hogwash | hah - well.. that was the last I saw it compiled on.. i've read there is support for it in 2.4.x + but haven't been able to find it anywhere |
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| 20:21.32 | jasoncohen | after the install i ran apt-listbugs list webmin and it showed no bugs |
| 20:21.32 | Draconicus | A.K.A. etch? |
| 20:21.35 | nvz | what I mean is type apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, then see if it happens |
| 20:21.39 | nvz | jasoncohen: ^ |
| 20:21.45 | Eulex | sh4dowcat, I wanted to comile a kernel that will run on every system, like the debian stock, but that has the badram patch |
| 20:22.03 | nvz | jasoncohen: you shouldnt dist-upgrade when not dist-upgrading, and you shouldnt rely on automagic tools when you have a problem |
| 20:22.13 | valdyn | Eulex: thats bound to take a long time... |
| 20:22.14 | shingouz | hogwash: as i said, you are in deep crap with that card. get something newer is the only advice i can give |
| 20:22.21 | sh4dowcat | Draconicus: sure I am |
| 20:22.26 | sh4dowcat | but I don't use the testing kernel |
| 20:22.27 | sh4dowcat | s |
| 20:22.33 | mrmoo | lo, just a quicky just installed debian 3.1, and being old like I am I can't remember how to allow sshd to tunnel ssh connections, can anyone help ? |
| 20:22.39 | nvz | jasoncohen: also check your damn sources list make sure its right, and you have all official sources of the same tree |
| 20:22.42 | jasoncohen | nvz, in this case, like in many others a new dependency was added- libslang2 |
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| 20:22.43 | mwelsh | how do i determine my ip from the command line? |
| 20:22.48 | hogwash | yeah - guess so |
| 20:22.53 | jethro | mrmoo: man sshd_config /orwarding |
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| 20:22.54 | FieldySnuts | !sshx |
| 20:22.54 | dpkg | sshx is probably Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 20:22.57 | hogwash | and recommendations for a/b/g? |
| 20:23.00 | shingouz | mwelsh: ifconfig |
| 20:23.05 | debugger | can someone help me compiling a debian package? I'm trying to build this: http://www.lighttpd.net/download/. I've downloaded the .dsc, .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz. but what should I do now? I'm reading this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html, but using dpkg-buildpackage fails because I don't have gcc nor the other dependencies needed to build lighttpd, so I tried to use apt-get build-dep but it didn't work out... any pointer |
| 20:23.05 | debugger | s please? |
| 20:23.06 | zOap | mwelsh, ifconfig eth0 |
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| 20:23.35 | shingouz | hogwash: whatever you need. just make sure that the card is natively supported by linux and taht you do not have to use ndiswrapper and windows drivers |
| 20:23.58 | Eulex | debugger: what about installing the packages you need? |
| 20:24.07 | Pryon | debugger: You're going to have a hard time compiling anything without a compiler. |
| 20:24.11 | Draconicus | sh4dowcat: Wouldn't that suggest that there's a 2.6.9+ testing kernel? ...Or is a custom compile separate from development stages? |
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| 20:24.34 | j_k | debugger: so what "didn't work out" means? |
| 20:24.36 | Eulex | Draconicus, there's a 2.6.11 kernel in testing |
| 20:24.37 | debugger | Eulex, Pryon : isn't there a way to automatically do that for me? grabbing the deps and build/install them? |
| 20:24.39 | shingouz | debugger: and unless you absolutely need that software apt-get install the binaries from debian and you will be running the software in this millennium |
| 20:24.54 | jasoncohen | nvz, my sources.list is fine deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 20:24.59 | Draconicus | DAMNIT. I'm building an old kernel, and the newer one has bug fixes! |
| 20:25.07 | hogwash | righto. |
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| 20:25.09 | FieldySnuts | build the newer one then? |
| 20:25.14 | shingouz | debugger: if you are that clueless about compiling from source, why do you do it? |
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| 20:25.19 | sh4dowcat | I'm using 2.6.11.11 |
| 20:25.20 | mrmoo | jethro, cheers :) |
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| 20:25.28 | sh4dowcat | I'm gonna wait until 2.6.12 stabilizes before I upgrade |
| 20:25.30 | debugger | shingouz, I'm clueless on debian... |
| 20:25.32 | hogwash | anyone recommend another desktop environment than default debian? |
| 20:25.42 | sh4dowcat | hogwash: I use KDE |
| 20:25.42 | nvz | jasoncohen: apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, quit using dist-upgrade unless you are dist-upgrading, which you are not |
| 20:25.45 | debugger | shingouz, will you point me to the right direction? |
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| 20:25.49 | shingouz | debugger: it still does not explain why the hell you want to compile that stuff |
| 20:25.51 | Eulex | hogwash, "desktop environment"? debian? |
| 20:25.59 | debugger | shingouz, well, does it mater? |
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| 20:26.04 | davidmccabe | Hi folks. |
| 20:26.08 | mrmoo | hogwash, XFCE4 :-) |
| 20:26.10 | Eulex | hogwash, desktop environments are kde, gnome and xfce4 |
| 20:26.13 | jethro | mrmoo: you're welcome :) |
| 20:26.14 | debugger | shingouz, "because I want" is good for you? :) |
| 20:26.17 | FieldySnuts | !start a de war |
| 20:26.26 | shingouz | debugger: yes it does. if the reason is "i want to" you can ask someone else to help |
| 20:26.32 | Spec | I have a bunch of files, and in those files I have a bunch of "https"'s, and I need to change them all to "http", I know I can use sed, but for sed I can't write the changes back to the same file, what's the easiest way to change all the https' to http, in every single file in folder foo (foo/*)? |
| 20:26.39 | jasoncohen | nvz, why dist-upgrade has never removed a package, and i would stop the process and check if it tried to. If i didn't run dist-upgrade i would have to manually run apt-get install whenever there's a package held back which is usually every day or so on sid |
| 20:26.42 | davidmccabe | I just switched from Gentoo to Ubuntu, and I have a question about APT: I want to compile some packages from CVS sources. Do I need to tell APT that I am doing so, or should I simply uninstall its version of the packages? Thanks! |
| 20:26.49 | Pryon | debugger: have you tried apt-get --build-dep packagname ? |
| 20:26.57 | Pryon | eek |
| 20:26.59 | Pryon | s/--// |
| 20:27.03 | FieldySnuts | cat file1 | sed -e 'blahblah' > file1 |
| 20:27.03 | Eulex | !tell davidmccabe about ubuntu |
| 20:27.09 | glick | excuse me how come cant i change my password with mysql -p command |
| 20:27.09 | FieldySnuts | you only get one shot though. not advised. |
| 20:27.11 | Spec | davidmccabe: #ubuntu |
| 20:27.13 | debugger | shingouz, the reason is, I want to learn how to do it... if you want to help me, good... if not thx anyways. |
| 20:27.14 | luulis | Spec: sed -i |
| 20:27.15 | j_k | debugger: install build-essentials and the packages listed your source package's debian/control, on the Build-Depends line. |
| 20:27.19 | jasoncohen | as long as it's only installing new deps and not trying to remove packages, what's the problem? |
| 20:27.20 | FieldySnuts | oh yeah! -i doh forgot |
| 20:27.21 | hogwash | does kde install by default? |
| 20:27.22 | glick | i get access denied for user root@localhost using password: YES |
| 20:27.25 | Spec | sed -i? |
| 20:27.29 | shingouz | davidmccabe: do not compile from source on any debian based system unless you need to. and #ubuntu |
| 20:27.32 | FieldySnuts | man sed , see what it does |
| 20:27.33 | luulis | Spec: see man page |
| 20:27.35 | j_k | debugger: build-essential, rather. |
| 20:27.42 | Spec | keko :p |
| 20:27.44 | davidmccabe | /leave My apologies. |
| 20:27.44 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: not supporting ubuntu |
| 20:27.45 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support ubuntu too. Try #ubuntu or donating money to charity. |
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| 20:27.51 | Spec | but how do i do it over a lot of files? |
| 20:27.52 | Spec | for loop? |
| 20:28.02 | luulis | for example.. |
| 20:28.07 | jasoncohen | hogwash, if you used the desktop choice when you installed sarge, you would have gnome & kde |
| 20:28.14 | Pryon | glick: 'mysql -p' does not change the password, it just tells mysql that you're going to supply a password for authentication |
| 20:28.25 | hogwash | right - i used desktop |
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| 20:28.34 | jasoncohen | hogwash, dpkg -l kde-core to see if it's installed |
| 20:28.46 | shingouz | debugger: and the reason i refuse to help you is that you did not a) read the errors you go and act upon them and b) i am pretty certain you will screw up your system |
| 20:28.47 | debugger | j_k, known a way of installing the packes listed on the "Build-Depends" line automatically? |
| 20:29.11 | glick | Pryon, which password do i use? |
| 20:29.16 | hogwash | thanks everyone |
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| 20:29.25 | jasoncohen | debhelper, apt-get build-dep package |
| 20:29.29 | quittt | torcs is great!! |
| 20:29.42 | FieldySnuts | it is? i found it accurate but really beta quality |
| 20:29.51 | j_k | debugger: grep ^Build-Depends debian/control | sed 's/Build-Depends: \|(.*)\|,//' | xargs apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:29.55 | FieldySnuts | definately promising |
| 20:29.56 | j_k | debugger: happy now ? |
| 20:30.09 | FieldySnuts | !info flightgear |
| 20:30.12 | dpkg | flightgear: (Flight Gear Flight Simulator), section games, is extra. Version: 0.9.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1711 kB, Installed size: 4844 kB |
| 20:30.29 | debugger | shingouz, a) the errors are for not having the deps... my question was how to install those automaticaly... b) I dunno why you say that... I'm pretty sure I will not screw my system... |
| 20:30.30 | FieldySnuts | nice flightsim there, could use work but really promising |
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| 20:30.38 | Pryon | glick: use the password assigned to that db user... |
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| 20:30.48 | Pryon | glick: did you just install mysql? |
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| 20:31.12 | glick | Pryon, yes |
| 20:31.25 | jasoncohen | debugger, just apt-get build-dep for the package you're trying to build and make sure you have build-essential installed |
| 20:31.30 | Pryon | glick: try no password (i.e. 'mysql -u root') |
| 20:31.49 | debugger | j_k, humm, I was hopping for an "automatic" way... do a grep is lame hehe ;) |
| 20:32.07 | sh4dowcat | debugger: I believe it's called emerge |
| 20:32.09 | debugger | jasoncohen, ah thx :) |
| 20:32.13 | sh4dowcat | and I believe it's caleld #gentoo |
| 20:32.16 | sh4dowcat | called* |
| 20:32.21 | glick | Pryon, ok im at a mysql prompt now |
| 20:32.21 | tarzeau | shingouz: heh you've missed the most funny bub-n-bros game ver |
| 20:32.25 | debugger | sh4dowcat, yes, gentoo... and....? |
| 20:32.28 | j_k | debugger: it's not lame, it's "automatic". There's no reason to even write a script for that. |
| 20:32.33 | tarzeau | shingouz: wanna have some other vga fun? www.linuks.mine.nu/people/vga/vgafun.c |
| 20:32.41 | Eulex | debugger: why not just copy the package list? |
| 20:32.41 | j_k | debugger: now, make debuild known how to do that. |
| 20:32.49 | j_k | s/make/maybe/ |
| 20:32.59 | shingouz | tarzeau: something equally scary as the links you posted last night? |
| 20:33.00 | Pryon | glick: You probably want to assign passwords to your db users |
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| 20:33.19 | tarzeau | shingouz: what did i post yesternight? |
| 20:33.29 | shingouz | the rom grabber |
| 20:33.34 | glick | Pryon, i just need to use mysql for wordpress |
| 20:33.42 | tarzeau | shingouz: no much cooler! rainbow color blends in textmode (background) |
| 20:33.49 | tarzeau | shingouz: that'll get you any women impressed! |
| 20:33.55 | Eulex | haha |
| 20:34.00 | Pryon | glick: Okay, it's your box |
| 20:34.10 | shingouz | tarzeau: i did find the dos box, now i just have to clear some desk so i can boot it up |
| 20:34.17 | Eulex | tarzeau, that sounds kewl,where to get? :) |
| 20:34.27 | tarzeau | shingouz: heh, it works on linux too now. not needed anymore, but the roms will be nice, yeah |
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| 20:34.34 | tarzeau | Eulex: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/vga/vgafun.c |
| 20:34.45 | Eulex | heh, ok |
| 20:35.33 | shingouz | tarzeau: i'll see what roms i have, i need to check them out against the ones you have already just to save some work. i have all kinds of weird and wonderful old stuff here |
| 20:35.44 | debugger | Eulex: sorry, but how can I do that? |
| 20:35.57 | tarzeau | shingouz: yay, that'll be great. just send it all except 0xf0000's |
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| 20:36.23 | tarzeau | et partout les chemins |
| 20:36.35 | shingouz | tarzeau: heh. lets see what i have. will be a biggish project though. i have a bunch of stuff here |
| 20:36.39 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: frenchsmite? |
| 20:36.45 | tarzeau | s/music/chansons/ |
| 20:36.50 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: heh |
| 20:36.58 | nomeata | In the times of /dev, I could just use regular file permissions to allow users to control certain aspects of the system. But how do I allow the user to change settings in /proc (i.e. /proc/acpi/ibm/light)? |
| 20:36.59 | eleusis | quels chemins? |
| 20:37.10 | tarzeau | eleusis: sur france 2 |
| 20:37.18 | tarzeau | en direct, du chateau de versailles |
| 20:37.24 | FieldySnuts | nomeata: the individual items have to be writable by that user |
| 20:37.39 | tarzeau | elle a les yeux très sexy vraiment |
| 20:37.43 | tarzeau | nan? |
| 20:37.45 | eleusis | bah |
| 20:37.52 | FieldySnuts | @start a world war |
| 20:37.53 | ravenbird | Brits will one day stomp the IRA! |
| 20:37.53 | eleusis | i'm in australia :P no france 2 here |
| 20:37.53 | valdyn | nomeata: via a script that is suid root |
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| 20:38.07 | tarzeau | eleusis: hah! bad luck for you, she really is damn sexy . haha |
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| 20:38.21 | tarzeau | eleusis: i can make screenshots and broadcast them as slideshow? nah i'm too lazy |
| 20:38.36 | eleusis | :D |
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| 20:38.41 | nvz | speaking of world war.. Saddam is in the news today, they say he likes cheetos, and doritos |
| 20:38.42 | eleusis | nah, never mind :) |
| 20:38.46 | shingouz | tarzeau: just whip out your webcam and stream the sutff |
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| 20:38.55 | nomeata | FieldySnuts, valdyn: thx, tough both ugly solutions. Guess I have to go with the suid script. |
| 20:38.59 | tarzeau | shingouz: if only i had the bandwith .. and the cam ;) |
| 20:39.00 | nvz | and some other silly things you'd be surprised people bothered reporting |
| 20:39.50 | valdyn | nomeata: I do use fn-fx for that and acpid |
| 20:40.09 | nvz | I just got a really nice webcam, its on a long flexible neck.. seems to have a PS/2 port on it though.. havent figured out how to hook it up or where to get software for it yet |
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| 20:40.26 | itom | any problems to upgrade from woody exim3 to exim4 sarge? I made only apt-get install exim4 and debian mantain setitns? |
| 20:40.27 | nvz | another one of those things I have no use for at all |
| 20:40.31 | Phroziac | !lastspoke furrywolf |
| 20:40.39 | Phroziac | hiya |
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| 20:40.53 | nvz | you mean.. |
| 20:40.56 | tarzeau | !seen furrywolf |
| 20:40.56 | dpkg | furrywolf is currently on #debian (2d 16h 52m 6s). Has said a total of 4440 messages. Is idling for 14h 5m 31s |
| 20:41.10 | nvz | hmm, since when is tarzeau finishing my sentances |
| 20:41.17 | tarzeau | nvz: i'm french |
| 20:41.47 | Phroziac | tarzeau: any idea what script that bot is running for seen? |
| 20:41.48 | nvz | tarzeau: I'm not, so I don't see the connection |
| 20:42.04 | Spec | so: for file in `find . -name *.bpml`; do; cat "$file" | sed -ie 's/https/http/g' > "$file" ? |
| 20:42.05 | nvz | Phroziac: its a blootbot, it doesnt need scripts, its blooted |
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| 20:42.15 | Phroziac | nvz: oh, that explains it. |
| 20:42.25 | Spec | do i need the /g in sed for global replacement? |
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| 20:42.36 | nvz | umm, yeah |
| 20:42.40 | tarzeau | Spec: you need it if you want more than one replace per line |
| 20:42.40 | stew | Spec: i don't think -i in sed makes sense when using pipes |
| 20:42.54 | suburbanitefury | Besides the programming language, what is the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap? |
| 20:43.00 | Spec | if you redirect sed's output to the file sed's reading it tends to make the file completely blank |
| 20:43.12 | stew | Spec: i think you want ...; do sed -ie "s///g" "$file" |
| 20:43.27 | Spec | oh, 'cause i'm catting it <-- stupid |
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| 20:44.04 | tarzeau | !stupid |
| 20:44.05 | dpkg | i guess stupid is the typical person. or Linux distro flamewars, BSD-vs-Linux flamewars, and anything with "vs" and "flame" and "war" in it, unless it's Vietnam. Wich would fall into the "plain braindead" category, or the opposite of smart, or alias rm='rm -rf /', or well, stupid is as stupid does. |
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| 20:44.34 | nvz | rm -rf / isnt as dangerous as it sounds |
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| 20:44.44 | tarzeau | nvz: btw when was the last time you tried GNUstep ? |
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| 20:44.47 | nvz | because nobody is going to type just 'rm' |
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| 20:45.13 | nvz | rm foo, would in turn be rm -rf /foo and be virtually harmless |
| 20:45.14 | stew | nvz: but if you type rm foo, then "rm -rf / foo" is dangerous |
| 20:45.21 | tarzeau | rm -f `which rm` |
| 20:45.24 | jamey3 | I wil soon be leasing a VPS server that I plan to use for an HTTP server primarily -- using lighttpd. I have complete software choice: will Debian give the best performance? I only have 48 MB of RAM available. |
| 20:45.25 | tarzeau | and you're safe |
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| 20:46.03 | S0n1 | hi today i make kernel default of my client i create .deb of kernel with processor 386... |
| 20:46.12 | tarzeau | !confuse S0n1 |
| 20:46.13 | dpkg | Yes, how is my weasel today, S0n1? breeches of the monarchy of swaziland with extra anchovies |
| 20:46.20 | S0n1 | have someone compatible all |
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| 20:46.45 | stew | !br |
| 20:46.45 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:46.46 | S0n1 | processor 486 is compatible all ? |
| 20:46.49 | shingouz | S0n1: i am not trying to be rude but what is your native language? |
| 20:46.52 | S0n1 | or i use 386 ? |
| 20:46.56 | shingouz | 386 |
| 20:47.05 | nvz | sour-: yes, its a 386 compatible |
| 20:47.26 | nvz | S0n1: ^ |
| 20:47.29 | S0n1 | shingouz : yes i use 386... i can use other ? |
| 20:47.36 | Eulex | umh, S0n1 what kernel version? |
| 20:47.37 | S0n1 | for all arquiteture? |
| 20:47.43 | S0n1 | 12 |
| 20:47.47 | S0n1 | 2.6.12 |
| 20:47.47 | tarzeau | !dict arquiteture |
| 20:47.49 | dpkg | could not find definition for arquiteture |
| 20:48.02 | nvz | S0n1: no, you could, but its only going to make things worse |
| 20:48.05 | shingouz | S0n1: i am not sure what you ask. what language do you usually speak? |
| 20:48.17 | tarzeau | eleusis: like celine dion? |
| 20:48.19 | S0n1 | brazil |
| 20:48.22 | S0n1 | portuguese |
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| 20:48.33 | takatumi | S0n1: /msg dpkg pt |
| 20:48.39 | shingouz | S0n1: in that case you might want to join #debian-br |
| 20:48.40 | nvz | S0n1: you can talk portuguese in #debian-br |
| 20:48.42 | sniper- | valdyn : in this moment they retrieve the mail directly. from the pop server. |
| 20:48.57 | eleusis | tarzeau: not particularly.. |
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| 20:49.49 | shingouz | James_Ward: you should not irc as root |
| 20:49.57 | nvz | well I think I will go steal the XboX and GTA-SA while my little brother is passed out |
| 20:50.18 | tarzeau | nvz: ever tried www.mtp-target.org ? |
| 20:50.19 | stochastic | I'm having a geat deal of troubles configuring my sound with alsa. alsaconf says that everything is setup and should work but then it doesn't, even after a check the levels in alsamixer |
| 20:50.29 | nvz | tarzeau: nope, whats that? |
| 20:50.38 | tarzeau | nvz: like gta-sa but much more fun |
| 20:50.59 | nvz | tarzeau: umm? whats a website got to do with a game? |
| 20:51.01 | jamey3 | Is Debian good for low-spec servers anyone? |
| 20:51.08 | Spec | i'm not low |
| 20:51.09 | Spec | o.O |
| 20:51.09 | takatumi | stochastic: sure you unmuted them? "m" |
| 20:51.11 | tarzeau | nvz: it's also a game on that website |
| 20:51.20 | tarzeau | jamey3: what's your definition of low-spec server? |
| 20:51.22 | nvz | tarzeau: programmed in? |
| 20:51.26 | sh4dowcat | Spec: yes you are :P |
| 20:51.30 | tarzeau | nvz: c/c++ , 3d stuff |
| 20:51.36 | jair | guys if I add the line: acpi=off to the config-2.6.8 on my kernel the what the machine will do try to run the apm instead the acpi? |
| 20:51.50 | nvz | tarzeau: so its download? works with linux? |
| 20:51.58 | jamey3 | tarzeau, one with 48 MB of RAM and a 1 GB hard disk |
| 20:52.02 | tarzeau | nvz: yep |
| 20:52.05 | nvz | tarzeau: I dont have a 3d capable pc.. |
| 20:52.10 | tarzeau | jamey3: well, it's a bit low on mem |
| 20:52.10 | Spec | sh4dowcat: lies |
| 20:52.18 | stochastic | takatumi, I'll double check but I'm pretty sure |
| 20:52.20 | nvz | tarzeau: I have an S3 ProSuckage card in here |
| 20:52.21 | takatumi | jair: still in doubt eh? just fucking try it. |
| 20:52.25 | tarzeau | jamey3: really depends serve what, and how much |
| 20:52.26 | sh4dowcat | Spec: prove it :P |
| 20:52.30 | jamey3 | tarzeau, it's a VPS I'm going to lease. All I can afford |
| 20:52.30 | tarzeau | nvz: oh don't bother |
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| 20:52.37 | tarzeau | jamey3: VPS? |
| 20:52.43 | Spec | no longer low ;) |
| 20:52.59 | takatumi | jair: you don't need to edit anything, try it in the grub menu, hit 'e' to edit. |
| 20:53.03 | jamey3 | tarzeau, virtual private server... means it seems as if you get an entire server to yourself, but cheaper |
| 20:53.14 | Pryon | tarzeau: uml or one of its siblings |
| 20:53.15 | takatumi | edit any file that is. |
| 20:53.29 | jamey3 | tarzeau, it will mainly server HTTP stuff using the lighttpd server software |
| 20:53.41 | stochastic | takatumi, nope, nothing is muted but still no sound |
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| 20:54.03 | takatumi | stochastic: *shrug* |
| 20:54.15 | subvertir | I really like rimuhosting.com |
| 20:54.35 | minamata | hi, any1 with a cs4236 sound card, running alsa, kernel 2.6 : I am unable to run alsaconf on my old thinkpad 600 |
| 20:54.46 | nvz | tarzeau: interesting.. though I doubt its better than GTA-SA . It would be nice to have a 3d card, I would like to be playing some linux games |
| 20:55.09 | tarzeau | nvz: you can play linux games without 3d card: try http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
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| 20:55.33 | tarzeau | nvz: do you know wipeout1,2,3? |
| 20:55.44 | shingouz | minamata: you need to tell the snd-cs4236 module the io, irq dma and dma2 before it works. you also have to move the alsa start in init.d after pcmcia for some reason |
| 20:55.51 | takatumi | minamata: just add the right snd-<module> to /etc/modules, install alsa-base and alsa-utils, run alsamixer, unmute and pump up the jam. |
| 20:56.05 | nvz | tarzeau: nope, but I know that a game where I roll down a hill over and over isnt going to be as fun as GTA-SA |
| 20:56.09 | takatumi | shingouz: yikes picky card. |
| 20:56.12 | shingouz | takatumi: on a tp600 it is not that simple :) |
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| 20:56.30 | jamey3 | tarzeau, any ideas? |
| 20:56.38 | takatumi | nvz: bubbles is different. |
| 20:56.44 | tarzeau | jamey3: nope. try |
| 20:57.08 | tarzeau | takatumi: the thing is in mtp-target you can hit the other pengaroos on the target platform and make them fall into the water LOLZ |
| 20:57.09 | jair | takatumi, I am sorry i was not sure I asked you again, |
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| 20:57.13 | tarzeau | (and lose all points; LOLZ) |
| 20:57.18 | nvz | takatumi: looks like Bubble Bobble to me |
| 20:57.27 | jair | takatumi, but you did not answer ok. so now I will try it ok. for sure. |
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| 20:57.34 | tarzeau | and there's even the intergrated chat top left, with transparency. and they are all french speaking LOLZ |
| 20:57.37 | tarzeau | err ARF |
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| 20:57.46 | jair | takatumi, ohhh ok |
| 20:57.49 | jair | got it |
| 20:57.55 | tarzeau | nvz: but with 10 players it's different. and with bonuses like: tetris, pacman etc (all multiplayer) |
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| 20:58.19 | jair | takatumi, perfect i will do it. but I though that i have to enable apm then but you said just edit that right. |
| 20:58.22 | devilx | Hi, I have no /dev/ttyS0, what can I do? |
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| 20:58.26 | ciba | someone knows russian? |
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| 20:58.31 | shingouz | !ru |
| 20:58.31 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 20:58.40 | nvz | tarzeau: whoo hoo :) I am going to get the xbox, I'll worry about that stuff some other time |
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| 20:58.46 | takatumi | jair: forget it, I rest my case. |
| 20:58.47 | jair | takatumi, ok leaving to reboot |
| 20:58.52 | ciba | yes |
| 20:58.55 | ecraven | is there a way to get ifup to run mii-tool to check for an actual link *before* starting dhclient? |
| 20:58.59 | tcsetattr | I have no ttyS0 yet I must scream. cd /dev;./MAKEDEV ttyS0 |
| 20:59.01 | jair | takatumi, thank you anyway |
| 20:59.10 | devilx | tcsetattr, thanks |
| 20:59.11 | Jappis | hey, what kind of plugins and stuff i need to play my rented DVD. Totem and Xine whines about it being encrypted. |
| 20:59.20 | takatumi | jair: if acpi=off didn't work, try acpi=noacpi |
| 20:59.27 | minamata | shingouz, where can I be sure to use the correct option (IO, irq, etc) ? tanx |
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| 20:59.45 | shingouz | minamata: lets see.. sec |
| 20:59.48 | jair | takatumi, ok I will do it and let you know what happened |
| 20:59.55 | ciba | who wants the bestest site |
| 21:00.10 | jair | takatumi, so i will start it like that then "halt" to see if works |
| 21:00.11 | shingouz | minamata: what kernel you on (uname -a) |
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| 21:00.16 | devilx | tcsetattr, doesn't work |
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| 21:01.10 | takatumi | jair: check dmesg |
| 21:01.15 | minamata | shingouz, 2.6.8.1-kanotix-10 -i know : its not like a real debian...) |
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| 21:01.59 | stochastic | is anyone in here fluent in setting up an alsa setup? |
| 21:02.14 | debugger | shingouz, the next time someone asks about debian source packages, point them too http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ ;) |
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| 21:02.19 | Eulex | stochastic: well, what snd card? |
| 21:02.32 | shingouz | minamata: i would love to shoo you off to kanotix or tell you to install debian. in this rare case though. you need to have in /etc/modutils a file called cs4232 which contains one line: ' options cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0' |
| 21:02.34 | stochastic | Eulex: snd-ice1712 |
| 21:02.37 | devilx | can anybody help me? I'm trying to access my Serial port but I have no /dev/ttyS0 |
| 21:02.38 | takatumi | debugger: /msg dpkg mg ;) |
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| 21:02.55 | shingouz | minamata: sorry, not that one. |
| 21:03.08 | shingouz | minamata: i have too many configs on mine, gimme a few more |
| 21:03.12 | foul- | can anyone tell me how I can create a superuser to install my ati drivers |
| 21:03.18 | foul- | 800x600 is unbearable |
| 21:03.22 | nvz | haha |
| 21:03.23 | ciba | who wants the bestest site? |
| 21:03.27 | Eulex | stochastic: you should only need to install alsa-base and alsa-utils... then if that doesn't work after a restart, check alsa-project.org |
| 21:03.35 | nvz | !aolify ciba |
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| 21:03.51 | ciba | what? |
| 21:03.53 | nvz | ciba: do you have anything debian related to discuss? |
| 21:03.58 | debugger | takatumi, oh well, you said that *now* ... I was looking for it some time ago, you could have show me that link! hehe |
| 21:04.03 | cahoot | stochastic: also make sure no OSS module for the card is loaded/interfering |
| 21:04.05 | Eulex | foul-: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose higher resolutions |
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| 21:04.13 | takatumi | debugger: didn't see it then. :) |
| 21:04.17 | ciba | what debain means? |
| 21:04.23 | nvz | ciba: you are always muttering something that makes no sense to anyone.. you are like that static you hear on an AM radio when it lightnings |
| 21:04.25 | stochastic | cahoot, how do I do that? |
| 21:04.33 | drac | ciba: nothing. |
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| 21:04.39 | cahoot | stochastic: lsmod |
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| 21:04.51 | drac | ciba: in other hand, Debian is from names Debra and Ian.. but Debain is nothing. |
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| 21:04.58 | stew | foul-: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 21:04.58 | Azar | this article depressed me, I take it even if I learn shell scripts they might not be foolproof, and no I am not into learning Perl |
| 21:05.01 | ciba | who ars you nvz |
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| 21:05.17 | foul- | How would I do that? do I put dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 into the console? |
| 21:05.19 | nvz | ciba: what are you? |
| 21:05.25 | MobyTurbo | ciba: are you a bot or just retarded? |
| 21:05.29 | James_Ward | Okay, is this better? |
| 21:05.36 | ciba | no |
| 21:05.38 | takatumi | what is? |
| 21:05.38 | nvz | MobyTurbo: well its not a bot |
| 21:05.49 | nvz | MobyTurbo: but its been here a long time |
| 21:05.55 | stochastic | cahoot, I don't see any oss drivers but there are about ten or so different snd drivers in there |
| 21:06.01 | James_Ward | Can anyone see what I am typing this time? |
| 21:06.14 | stew | !hi James_Ward |
| 21:06.15 | cahoot | stochastic: alsa modules have snd- prefix |
| 21:06.15 | ciba | can i talk to someone alone |
| 21:06.15 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai James_Ward! |
| 21:06.17 | naoliv | Hi. With openoffice from 1.x series, there was a /usr/sbin/oooprelink to prelink OpenOffice (included on the package openoffice.org-debian-files), but there isn't this file with openoffice.org2. How can I prelink OO2, please? |
| 21:06.17 | de_mon | Azar: don't feel bad even if you DID learn perl, your perl scripts wouldn't be foolproof either |
| 21:06.19 | James_Ward | Yay! |
| 21:06.26 | Azar | :( sometimes I get losing hopes of being a good Debian user |
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| 21:06.53 | Azar | de_mon I am feeling hopeless without security on Debian |
| 21:06.54 | James_Ward | Okay, I have missing kernel modules and would like to know what package contains them: shpchp and pciehp |
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| 21:07.01 | ciba | preferebel girl |
| 21:07.12 | nvz | MobyTurbo: its a pest afaik.. kind of like FieldySnuts, only not a bot whore |
| 21:07.20 | shingouz | minamata: /etc/modutils.d, two files: snd-cs4232; 'options snd-cs4232 io=0x530 dma=1 dma2=0 irq=5' and snd-cs4236; 'options snd-cs4236 port=0x530 cport=0x538 isapnp=0 dma1=1 dma2=0 irq=5'. then you need to config with update-rc.d alsa to come up after pcmcia. you may have to remove hotplug and discover, install usbmgr and cardmgr to pick up the slack |
| 21:07.21 | Eulex | ciba: stop trolling |
| 21:07.22 | takatumi | Azar: harden-doc, try firehol |
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| 21:07.46 | stew | James_Ward: what does uname -r say? |
| 21:07.53 | gary | Can anyone recommend any good graphical calendar software for debian. Something that can display what events are occuring soon ? |
| 21:08.05 | James_Ward | 2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 21:08.06 | gary | well not even that, just a good calendar |
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| 21:08.11 | foul- | will the drivers allow me to change my resolution? |
| 21:08.16 | LoRez | ciba: this is not a hook-up channel, go elsewhere. |
| 21:08.19 | ciba | what troll means |
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| 21:08.33 | Eulex | foul-: did you even listen to me? |
| 21:08.40 | minamata | shingouz, competely lost : i don't have /etc/modutils.d ! |
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| 21:08.53 | foul- | I did but I'm not sure what you mean |
| 21:08.53 | Eulex | foul-: and yes, fglrx should work ok, if you just follow the instructions |
| 21:08.57 | foul- | this is my frist day using linux |
| 21:08.57 | devilx | can anybody help me? I'm trying to access my Serial port but I have no /dev/ttyS0 |
| 21:09.02 | tarzeau | Eulex: did it work, btw. the vgafun? |
| 21:09.20 | cahoot | minamata: modprobe.d more likely |
| 21:09.21 | Eulex | tarzeau, haven't tried it yet... |
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| 21:09.37 | stew | what is -586tsc? |
| 21:09.38 | shingouz | minamata: in that case you need to figure it out yourself or install debian. kanotix is not debian and does things in a different way. what i said applies to a pure debian and has been tested on several TP600's so far |
| 21:09.49 | foul- | Okay, I'm going to boot into linux and try it, thanks for the help :-) |
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| 21:09.59 | James_Ward | How do I add shpchp and pciehp for 2.4.27-2-586tsc? |
| 21:10.10 | Eulex | foul-: run dpkg-reconfigure and, when that page comes, select the video modes you want by pressing space |
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| 21:10.27 | naoliv | How do I prelink OpenOffice2, please? |
| 21:10.52 | nvz | hello helix. :) bye helix. |
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| 21:10.58 | minamata | shingouz, I have a sound file in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 21:10.59 | MobyTurbo | James_Ward: if you don't have HP PCI hotplugging (you'd know if you did) add them to /etc/hotplug/backlist |
| 21:11.28 | James_Ward | Adding them to the blacklist enables them? |
| 21:11.37 | MobyTurbo | James_Ward: disables the failed detection |
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| 21:11.46 | James_Ward | I need them to access a pCMCIA nic. |
| 21:11.47 | foul- | Sorry for the newbie-ness but what is dpkg-reconfigure? do I just put that into the prompt? |
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| 21:12.02 | shingouz | minamata: what i said works on debian, i have never even seen a kanotix cd much less worked on such a system, that is the biggest reason we always tell people to join the appropriate channel |
| 21:12.13 | MobyTurbo | James_Ward: are you sure about that? As far as I know those modules are for PCI, not MCMCIA |
| 21:12.18 | nvz | heh.. I think my brother might be trying to annoy me, but I am leaving, so its not going to work |
| 21:12.21 | MobyTurbo | PCMCIA* |
| 21:12.32 | minamata | shingouz, tanx for your help |
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| 21:12.36 | nvz | I woke him up at around 5am. |
| 21:12.40 | James_Ward | I am not sure, all I know is, when I plug the cad in, I get messages that those modules are missing. |
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| 21:12.55 | shingouz | minamata: actually the tricks i mentioned work on others too but you need to apply them differently. different files at least |
| 21:12.55 | elex | e |
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| 21:13.20 | cahoot | shingouz: just for the record - you told him to look for modutils.d which I dubt exist even on your debian |
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| 21:13.33 | shingouz | i did? |
| 21:13.42 | James_Ward | I an online via a PCMCIA nic, but I want to use a wireless one. |
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| 21:13.50 | Azar | what a bunch of corporate dung? " Given the success of Debian and the recent arrival of Sarge, Murdock thinks that now is the perfect time for Mandriva to consider moving to a Debian-based technology. " |
| 21:13.54 | shingouz | minamata: /etc/modprobe.d <--- that is the one |
| 21:14.04 | shingouz | cahoot: thanks, minamata: sorry |
| 21:14.10 | James_Ward | When I plug in the CMCIA wireless card, I get messages that shpchp and pciehp are missing. |
| 21:14.22 | MobyTurbo | Azar: it scarcely could become any worse by doing so |
| 21:14.32 | stew | James_Ward: what happens when you type modprobe shpchp |
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| 21:14.47 | nvz | Mandriva sounds like a name for a rough woman |
| 21:15.06 | shingouz | minamata: now it should be correct... |
| 21:15.13 | nvz | I do believe I was suppose to be doing something... oh yeah, I am leaving ;) |
| 21:15.16 | shingouz | !tell minamata about tp600 sound |
| 21:15.30 | MobyTurbo | nvz: it's Mandrake's new name. Mandrake is the only distro I've tried that I truely hated |
| 21:15.38 | minamata | shingouz, wiat a minute |
| 21:15.39 | James_Ward | omnibook:~# modprobe shpchp |
| 21:15.39 | James_Ward | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-586tsc/kernel/drivers/hotplug/shpchp.o: init_module: Operation not permitted |
| 21:15.39 | James_Ward | Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. |
| 21:15.39 | James_Ward | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.39 | James_Ward | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-586tsc/kernel/drivers/hotplug/shpchp.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-586tsc/kernel/drivers/hotplug/shpchp.o failed |
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| 21:16.00 | MobyTurbo | Azar: Mandrake + Connectiva |
| 21:16.15 | madclicker | why when i log in to a terminal sesion on a remote machine through ssh, when I do "ls -l" no colors are displayed but when i sudo they are? |
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| 21:16.23 | nvz | MobyTurbo: it was the first linux I ever really felt comfy in when seeking help as a windows refugee. I bought a 2disc Red Hat 5.2 for like $24 and it barely ran |
| 21:16.25 | shingouz | minamata: i'll go have a smoke and get some caffeine, maybe i do not make such mistakes after that. back in about ten |
| 21:16.28 | xNinja | to use raid 5 i must have same spaces of hard disks like 3x 80GB ? |
| 21:16.31 | green_earz | Azar: would it be a apt-get .rpm or apt-get .deb ?? for Mandrake |
| 21:16.32 | Azar | MobyTurbo that does not sound good at all |
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| 21:16.41 | xNinja | or i can use 80+120+250 ? |
| 21:16.42 | minamata | shingouz, k |
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| 21:17.15 | Azar | I hope they were talking about Progeny Debian, not Debian |
| 21:17.27 | MobyTurbo | nvz: I was a propritary Unix refugee using Linux a couple of years before Win95 existed. |
| 21:17.42 | Azar | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/newss/5900/1/ |
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| 21:18.02 | mrmoo | *spit* propriatry unix :-p |
| 21:18.03 | idnar_ | heh |
| 21:18.18 | James_Ward | Sorry, I got kicked. |
| 21:18.22 | idnar | I grew up using Macs |
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| 21:18.31 | nvz | MobyTurbo: I had then tried corel linux, which I got to work fine, but had virtually no software and wasnt any good.. so I bought mandrake, and after awhile I learned stuff, and began to realize I needed more freedom to learn and experiment, and went out searching for a real distro, and I looked over things like Slackware, FreeBSD.. and after trying those I heard about debian and gentoo, and I started reading.. luckly I choose debian over gentoo |
| 21:18.44 | MobyTurbo | idnar: well, my first computer (after a fashion) was an Apple II. |
| 21:18.47 | idnar | I later discovered the world of DOS, and thought that command-line thingy was nifty |
| 21:19.06 | idnar | so of course when I first read about the UNIX command-line, it blew my mind |
| 21:19.18 | James_Ward | omnibook:~# modprobe shpchp |
| 21:19.25 | idnar | except every Linux distro I tried seemed to be somewhat of a fuckup until I tried Debian |
| 21:19.29 | mrmoo | after that a 386 with windows 3.1, then a 486 with windows 3.1 and then I found slackware, then debian v1.1 :) |
| 21:19.38 | James_Ward | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.39 | idnar | and the rest, as they say, was history :P |
| 21:19.46 | mrmoo | indeed :) |
| 21:19.49 | idnar | MobyTurbo: first one I used was a Macintosh Plus :P |
| 21:19.51 | James_Ward | Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. |
| 21:20.03 | nvz | MobyTurbo: I liked Slackware, but when I tried debian my laziness prevailed. in debian I could do everything I could with slack and a whole lot more, and I didnt have to do any of the hard work if I didnt want to. |
| 21:20.15 | stochastic | when I run alsaconf I get some errors showing but then it says everything should work but it doesn't. I've got all the modules loaded that I need but I'm running into troubles |
| 21:20.22 | James_Ward | shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001 |
| 21:20.39 | nvz | Debian gives me all the tools for anything I should want to do, and lets me concentrate on what I feel is important |
| 21:21.04 | MobyTurbo | mrmoo: I first used Linux kernel 0.95, but I recall Slackware being released with an early 0.99 kernel soon after that. I looked at how many floppies Slackware needed and thought "Slackware sure is bloated compared to manchester interim or a build-it-yourself system" :-) |
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| 21:21.09 | James_Ward | Any ideas why inserting a PCMCIA card would try to load shpchp? |
| 21:21.47 | mrmoo | MobyTurbo, I remember getting a OS/2 boxed set with 50 or so floppys, and reformating them so I could download slack at uni :) |
| 21:22.02 | Phroziac | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.05 | MobyTurbo | mrmoo: I had a roomate that used OS/2. |
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| 21:22.31 | emiliano | hi! |
| 21:22.34 | nvz | damn I got to logout and leave, I waste time like its nothing.. heh |
| 21:22.39 | Eulex | mrmoo: old memories of installing win95 on a box without a cd just came back to me |
| 21:22.43 | James_Ward | The card is a Netgear WG511T. |
| 21:23.02 | mrmoo | Eulex, I installed win95 on to a laptop for my dad from floppies :) |
| 21:23.10 | mrmoo | took forever :P |
| 21:23.12 | idnar | nvz: the other great thing about Debian is that, by and large, things are fairly consistent across packages |
| 21:23.17 | emiliano | how can i set DNS address & alt. DNS addr. ? |
| 21:23.40 | Eulex | mrmoo: I hadn't got floppies, I had to create floppies out of the cd I had |
| 21:23.45 | idnar | nvz: there's not nearly as much of a "great, somebody dumped a big mess of tools in this toolbox, and I get to sort it out" feeling |
| 21:23.46 | mrmoo | emiliano, /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 21:23.55 | James_Ward | Can anyone help me with a Netgear WG511T PCMCIA card? |
| 21:24.02 | MobyTurbo | idnar: yes, Debian has excellent integration |
| 21:24.24 | mrmoo | thats another thing that won debian for me, the quality of the packaging. |
| 21:24.33 | Eulex | James_Ward, what chipset? |
| 21:24.38 | James_Ward | Ateros. |
| 21:24.41 | James_Ward | AAtheros. |
| 21:24.51 | James_Ward | Wrks great in another subnotbook with Ubuntu. |
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| 21:24.53 | caphuso | atheros, but close |
| 21:25.03 | mrmoo | I've tried all types of linux distros' and ended back with debian :P .. |
| 21:25.10 | James_Ward | Im missing something on the debian setup. |
| 21:25.21 | caphuso | James_Ward: madwifi. employ google |
| 21:25.44 | James_Ward | caphuso I am getting kernel module errors when I insert the card. |
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| 21:26.01 | James_Ward | caphuso, Do you think madwifi will fix it? |
| 21:26.03 | aficionado | Hi, I am trying to install python2.3-glade2 but when I install apt says that it depends on python2.3-gtk2 2.6.1-1 is required and I have 2.6.2-1. Any ideas why this dependency problem? |
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| 21:26.27 | aficionado | sorry, I meant I have 2.6.2-2 |
| 21:26.27 | caphuso | James_Ward: i don't think anything. remember, i'm not sitting right beside you, so i can't read the error messages on your screen |
| 21:26.31 | Eulex | aficionado, do you run etch? |
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| 21:26.41 | aficionado | Eulex: etch? :-/ |
| 21:26.42 | James_Ward | caphuso, I pasted them above. |
| 21:26.51 | Eulex | aficionado, debian testing, debian etch |
| 21:26.55 | James_Ward | caphuso I can e-mail if you like? |
| 21:26.58 | myren | whats the hotkey for resizing a window? |
| 21:27.11 | Eulex | myren: that's a de-specific question |
| 21:27.11 | myren | i'm using fluxbox, but i could've sworn there was some semi-standard one |
| 21:27.20 | aficionado | Eulex: I thought I configured this system as sarge, but let me double check |
| 21:27.31 | Eulex | aficionado, check your sources.list |
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| 21:27.42 | MobyTurbo | myren: from what I recall of fluxbox you can right click on the top of the window to get additional commands |
| 21:27.42 | dcode0 | hello |
| 21:27.51 | caphuso | James_Ward: shbchp isn't the module for atheros wifi chips |
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| 21:27.59 | aficionado | Eulex: Yeah, right now its set to sarge repos but I remember I started with unstable because sarge wasn't released at the time |
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| 21:28.05 | dcode0 | anyone know how to exit the xwindow server to a console? |
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| 21:28.14 | rr72 | l8r bob2 |
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| 21:28.17 | James_Ward | caphuso, I know, but that's the error I get when I insert the card. |
| 21:28.33 | MobyTurbo | dcode0: if you're not running a window manager for some reason, control-alt-backspace |
| 21:28.46 | James_Ward | caphuso Maybe I'm missing something else? Though I am on via a normal PCMCIA ethernet card, |
| 21:28.49 | dcode0 | then it just goes back to the login screen |
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| 21:28.55 | Eulex | aficionado, then you may have to uninstall the new packages you got from sid... and you shouldn't use sid, sid is there for the devs to break |
| 21:28.55 | caphuso | James_Ward: probably |
| 21:29.03 | James_Ward | caphuso Any diea what? |
| 21:29.06 | James_Ward | Idea? |
| 21:29.07 | caphuso | James_Ward: nope |
| 21:29.12 | MobyTurbo | dcode0: /etc/init.d/xdm stop (or whatever *dm you're using) |
| 21:29.20 | dcode0 | thanks |
| 21:29.30 | James_Ward | caphuso Any way I can tell by looking at the ubuntu system it works on? |
| 21:29.37 | aficionado | Eulex: yeah my bad, I think when I was starting I had time to sort things out but I have become impatient since then :( |
| 21:29.48 | caphuso | James_Ward: sure, but it involves hotplug, so it's probably going to be tough |
| 21:30.02 | myren | there IS some semi-standard resize hotkey/key for linux |
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| 21:30.25 | aficionado | Eulex: is there any easy command to "downgrade" to sarge? I have done apt-get dist-upgrade quite a few times before but I guess that didn't do ti |
| 21:30.27 | James_Ward | If I copy the /etc/apt/sources.list from ubuntu and do apt-get dist-upgrade, will I then be ubuntu? |
| 21:30.29 | aficionado | s/ti/it |
| 21:30.30 | MobyTurbo | caphuso: One of the flaws of Linux is that too much stuff like hotplug is in buggy userland implementations |
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| 21:30.33 | stew | James_Ward: afaik you would need to use ndiswrapper to get that card working |
| 21:30.37 | jair | takatumi, done |
| 21:30.38 | caphuso | MobyTurbo: fix it |
| 21:30.46 | Eulex | aficionado, reason I asked if you're using etch is that python is a bit broken in etch right not, specifically python-tk |
| 21:30.51 | James_Ward | stew, No, it works fine under ubuntu. |
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| 21:31.13 | Eulex | aficionado, no, you have to do it manually |
| 21:31.16 | James_Ward | stew, Atheros is supported ntively. |
| 21:31.19 | jair | takatumi, but now that I boot with the option acpi=off I have to halt the machine again to see if everything turn off with the command halt. |
| 21:31.22 | aficionado | Eulex: manually? |
| 21:31.23 | James_Ward | Natively. |
| 21:31.41 | MobyTurbo | !annoy caphuso |
| 21:31.41 | aficionado | Eulex: you mean downgrade python or the whole shebang? |
| 21:31.47 | James_Ward | If I copy the /etc/apt/sources.list from ubuntu and do apt-get dist-upgrade, will I then be ubuntu? |
| 21:31.48 | Eulex | aficionado, apt-get remove package && apt-get install package |
| 21:31.55 | shingouz | minamata: does it work yet? |
| 21:32.04 | Eulex | aficionado, you may have to downgrade all of python |
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| 21:32.21 | MobyTurbo | !test |
| 21:32.21 | dpkg | Sorry, mobyturbo, I didn't get your test. |
| 21:32.27 | streuner | James_Ward: sure |
| 21:32.31 | MobyTurbo | phoey |
| 21:32.40 | takatumi | jair: check dmesg for acpi and apm related stuff |
| 21:32.50 | caphuso | James_Ward: no, you'll have a crude and broken mix between debian and ubuntu |
| 21:32.50 | James_Ward | streuner, but I might still be missing stuff? |
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| 21:33.10 | takatumi | jair: and no don't paste is anywhere, *read* it. |
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| 21:33.24 | minamata | shingouz, no, I tried modprobe snd-cs4236 irq=, ete, et no hope |
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| 21:33.26 | streuner | James_Ward: listen to caphuso, you'll break you system |
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| 21:33.34 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
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| 21:33.41 | aficionado | Eulex: so starting with python2.3-gtk2, the current according to apt-cache show is 2.6.1-2 which is what I have installed and the culprit... would reinstalling do the trick? |
| 21:33.46 | James_Ward | Well, if wireless doesn't work, it's a useless system anyway... |
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| 21:33.58 | jair | takatumi, ok |
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| 21:34.03 | takatumi | James_Ward: which wireless card? |
| 21:34.15 | shingouz | minamata: you need to make those two files first. in /etc/modprobe.d, then run update-modules, then modprobe snd-cs4236 |
| 21:34.26 | Eulex | aficionado, you have to de-install the packages you got from sid, and no, reinstalling won't do a shit |
| 21:34.26 | James_Ward | takatumi, Netgear WG511T, works great out of the box in ubuntu. |
| 21:34.49 | takatumi | James_Ward: is it supported by hostap? |
| 21:34.59 | James_Ward | takatumi, HOw do I tell? |
| 21:35.00 | aficionado | Eulex: lol, ok... thanks a lot! =D |
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| 21:35.29 | takatumi | James_Ward: google. |
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| 21:35.56 | jasoncohen | aficionado, apt-show-versions | grep unstable |
| 21:36.01 | Eulex | aficionado, yw |
| 21:36.58 | aficionado | jasoncohen: apt-show-versions, is that a command or did you make a mistake? (or do I not have that package :) ) |
| 21:36.59 | jair | takatumi, no apm information at all and it say that the acpi was disable. |
| 21:37.20 | aficionado | jasoncohen: nm, I don't have that package :) |
| 21:37.24 | jair | but then I should add at the kernel line at the end too acpi=off apm=on |
| 21:37.26 | jair | ? |
| 21:37.30 | stew | James_Ward: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 21:37.37 | jasoncohen | aficionado, apt-get install apt-show-versions |
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| 21:37.54 | takatumi | jair: ok, paste the dmesg somewhere. :P |
| 21:37.57 | jasoncohen | aficionado, you can't assume you have every package installed- apt-cache search packagename |
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| 21:38.04 | stew | James_Ward: but you are going to want to install a newer kenrel first as yours is out of date |
| 21:38.13 | jair | takatumi, ok |
| 21:38.27 | jasoncohen | aficionado, apt-cache search will show you what you can install. dpkg -l | grep string will tell you what you have installed |
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| 21:38.47 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, you're having problems with a wg511t on debian? |
| 21:38.51 | James_Ward | stew, I just say apt-get update kernel? |
| 21:39.01 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, Yes. |
| 21:39.03 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, all i had to do was compile madwifi, modprobe ath_pci and ifup ath0 |
| 21:39.03 | aficionado | jasoncohen: yeah, I know a little bit about apt (searching I am familiar with) |
| 21:39.06 | thomas_adam | apt-cache policy <foo> is generally good enough for me. |
| 21:39.07 | itom | do you know how to change "the default sent-from name" of exim4? |
| 21:39.18 | stew | James_Ward: no, apt-cache search kenrel-image, pick one, apt-get install it |
| 21:39.32 | aficionado | jasoncohen: that command didn't find anything (apt-show...grep unstable), does that means I don't have any "unstable" packages installed? |
| 21:39.43 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, once you compile madwifi, using the wg511t is as easy as adding an ssid & wep key line to /etc/network/interfaces. you actually can use network-admin to do that |
| 21:39.43 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, Is that a package, or do I have to download it? |
| 21:40.01 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, you must download the madwifi source and then compile it |
| 21:40.14 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, apt-get install build-essential too |
| 21:40.20 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, And is my kernel too old: 2.4.27-2-586tsc? |
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| 21:40.43 | jasoncohen | madwifi should work with 2.4.27 but you'll hotplug support in 2.6 which is nice |
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| 21:40.50 | streuner | James_Ward: what laptop do you have? |
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| 21:41.08 | James_Ward | streuner, HP Omnibook 800ct. |
| 21:41.20 | James_Ward | I only have 32M RAM. |
| 21:41.27 | James_Ward | Will 2.6 be too big? |
| 21:41.32 | stew | James_Ward: oh i thought you had said 2.4.27-1 |
| 21:41.32 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, if you have gnome, you can setup the card's WEP key, SSID & IP/gateway etc. or use DHCP |
| 21:41.39 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, with network-admin |
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| 21:41.52 | jasoncohen | otherwise you'll have to edit /etc/network/interfaces where you'll need to add a few lines |
| 21:41.55 | James_Ward | My current kernel is: 2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 21:42.08 | jasoncohen | wireless_key xxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 21:42.13 | jasoncohen | wireless_essid xxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 21:42.19 | takatumi | or man wireless |
| 21:42.33 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, I have to get the card recognized first. |
| 21:42.45 | James_Ward | Will 2.6 be too big for 32M RAM? |
| 21:42.50 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, yes, that's why you need to download and compile madwifi and install build-essential if you haven't |
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| 21:43.16 | Phroziac | hmmm, i guess i shouldn't have left earlier |
| 21:43.27 | James_Ward | build-essential installing as we type. |
| 21:43.46 | takatumi | one down. |
| 21:43.53 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, get the madwifi CVS from here - http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi-2.htm |
| 21:43.58 | jasoncohen | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/madwifi \ |
| 21:43.58 | jasoncohen | co madwifi |
| 21:44.09 | James_Ward | takatumi, Will 2.6 choke in 32M RAM? |
| 21:44.15 | James_Ward | I'm already pretty tight. |
| 21:44.31 | takatumi | James_Ward: haven't tried it, try it with 2.4 for now. |
| 21:44.50 | jasoncohen | it should work with 2.4 |
| 21:45.12 | jasoncohen | but you will not get hotplug support. however, you can just add auto ath0 to start it at boot |
| 21:45.16 | James_Ward | Installing cvs |
| 21:45.27 | takatumi | stew: two down. |
| 21:45.36 | takatumi | stew: sorry. |
| 21:45.44 | jasoncohen | ok, once it's compiled do modprobe ath_pci |
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| 21:46.03 | jair | takatumi, https://jair.no-ip.com/setuid/ |
| 21:46.04 | Phroziac | I'd like to make my sharp zaurus sync with my debian machine, and if i make a google search like "zaurus sync linux" it only comes up with reviews and stuff on the zaurus, for obvious reasons. maybe someone could point me to a howto on it or a google search that will actually have relevant results? I also tried searching on the debian website but it seems they want me to put debian on the zaurus, instead of just syncing w |
| 21:46.06 | jasoncohen | if the lights flash it worked |
| 21:46.13 | jair | there is my dmesg file you can download it |
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| 21:46.39 | fuag | is there a way to switch the apt-get system on another distro to use debians repository? |
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| 21:46.41 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, The modprobe takes the place of hotplug? |
| 21:46.42 | jair | takatumi, I am sorry for the delay I have to get quicker with the linux terminal commands |
| 21:46.50 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, modprobe just loads the module |
| 21:46.52 | tarzeau | fuag: not reliably |
| 21:47.04 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, hotplug loads it automatically on inserting the device |
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| 21:47.05 | tarzeau | fuag: often the packages and its dependencies done badly by others make it impossible |
| 21:47.09 | [Granger] | fuag: not unless you want to seriously break your system |
| 21:47.18 | fuag | i don't really mind if it breaks |
| 21:47.22 | tarzeau | fuag: i try to keep it workable, by not using unofficial packages: livecd.gnustep.org |
| 21:47.27 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, K. |
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| 21:47.36 | fuag | I was just trying out kubuntu |
| 21:47.39 | tarzeau | fuag: but i wouldn't even think to try ubuntu, knoppix |
| 21:47.43 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, not sure how 2.4 works. you might have to add ath_pci to /etc/modules or some other file |
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| 21:47.46 | tarzeau | fuag: forget it, i'd say |
| 21:47.53 | [Granger] | heh |
| 21:47.53 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, K. |
| 21:47.57 | fuag | but then realized although they use apt-get.. they have like 8 packages |
| 21:47.58 | fuag | lol |
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| 21:48.12 | tarzeau | fuag: wanna try GNUstep ? |
| 21:48.14 | [Granger] | fuag: we don't support ubuntu in here |
| 21:48.17 | fuag | is ther a way to get sarge to use Xorg? |
| 21:48.19 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, tell me when it's done compiling and you've loaded the module. if that goes well, you'll want to add "auto ath0" and "iface ath0 inet dhcp" on seperate lines |
| 21:48.23 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, Checking out madwifi... |
| 21:48.23 | tarzeau | fuag: no |
| 21:48.24 | fuag | I'll go check out the link |
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| 21:48.35 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, ..or you can use network-admin and it'll do all that for you |
| 21:48.41 | tarzeau | fuag: but i heard experimental is going to get xorg really soon |
| 21:48.43 | [Granger] | why is XOrg so important for you anyway |
| 21:48.43 | tarzeau | matter of weeks |
| 21:48.46 | prodope | is it normal for exim4 to run as user '104'? |
| 21:48.57 | tarzeau | [Granger]: to impress women? |
| 21:48.57 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, Just do a make? |
| 21:49.05 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, ./configure && make && make install |
| 21:49.06 | jair | takatumi, you were able of download it and check it? I did not read anything about "apm" just that the acpi was disabled. |
| 21:49.13 | fuag | because I've been using x0rg since thier beta, and I love it, and its the next step, xfree86 is dying |
| 21:49.16 | caphuso | prodope: yes |
| 21:49.18 | fuag | its backwords to use it |
| 21:49.21 | [Granger] | tarzeau: I think it's scientifically proven that running the latest software's a BIG chick turnoff |
| 21:49.31 | tarzeau | fuag: why not use it yourself then? like building from source? |
| 21:49.35 | [Granger] | fuag: then wait for it to show up in unstable |
| 21:49.35 | James_Ward | jasoncohenThere is no configure script... |
| 21:49.41 | stew | jasoncohen: is there a reason that this is better than using m-a? |
| 21:49.42 | jasoncohen | what's the big deal with xorg? who cares? |
| 21:49.52 | [Granger] | Sarge works fine with XFree 4.3 |
| 21:49.56 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: i don't get it either |
| 21:50.00 | [Granger] | and so does etch btw |
| 21:50.02 | fuag | it has more transparency features and is bieng developed faster than xfree |
| 21:50.08 | tarzeau | fuag: crap |
| 21:50.10 | [Granger] | fuag: and? |
| 21:50.16 | tarzeau | faster is not always better |
| 21:50.18 | jasoncohen | stew, i find it a lot easier. i use m-a with nvidia but there are tons more steps for madwifi if you want to use m-a |
| 21:50.21 | [Granger] | fuag: you can't even compile XOrg from scratch |
| 21:50.23 | fuag | and xfee did something wierd where its not fully open to everone to develope anymore |
| 21:50.25 | James_Ward | Makefile.inc:94: *** KERNELPATH must be defined. Stop. |
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| 21:50.29 | [Granger] | what makes you think that you can even max out xfree |
| 21:50.33 | jasoncohen | stew, with madwifi, i just checkout from CVS and build every so often |
| 21:50.39 | tarzeau | fuag: http://web.telia.com/~u42308495/alex/gds-2.png |
| 21:50.44 | tarzeau | fuag: here. that's without xorg |
| 21:50.54 | stew | jasoncohen: can you fix the factoid if its wrong then? |
| 21:51.00 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, I imagine I need kernel source? |
| 21:51.06 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, kernel-headers |
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| 21:51.31 | LaNova | I keep getting "cdrom: open failed" in my dmesg (repeated tons of times and the drive closes right after opening. Nothign is mounted, I've tried mounting and unmounting data cd. It seesm to happen after a bad k3b burn (I'm trying to burn cds on my dvd burner ) |
| 21:51.46 | James_Ward | E: Package kernel-headers has no installation candidate |
| 21:52.05 | Eulex | James_Ward, install the version of kernel-headers you need |
| 21:52.09 | LaNova | I googled but there are tons of hits and non offer any useful suggestions - any help narrowing it down? |
| 21:52.10 | James_Ward | Ah... |
| 21:52.25 | zumbi | tarzeau, got the same capture with xorg ? |
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| 21:52.35 | tarzeau | zumbi: nope |
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| 21:52.46 | zulkifar | Hi. I'm getting error while 'ifup' ethernet interface (eth2, module 8139too): SIOCSIFADDR: No such device \n eth2: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such devuce \n SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device + one more line. I thought it was NIC driver problem first, but then I tried another NIC (module e100) with same result. Where is the problem? |
| 21:52.54 | zumbi | what does xorg then ? can't do that ? |
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| 21:53.07 | James_Ward | linux-kernel-headers is already the newest version. |
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| 21:53.17 | tarzeau | zumbi: it probably can as well. but what can xfree86 not, that i would want xorg? |
| 21:53.22 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, what's your kernel again? |
| 21:53.27 | stew | James_Ward: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:53.32 | jasoncohen | kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 21:53.40 | stew | jasoncohen: no |
| 21:53.46 | jasoncohen | sorry, stew's right |
| 21:53.49 | James_Ward | linux-kernel-headers is already the newest version. |
| 21:53.49 | jasoncohen | i didn't mean to paste that |
| 21:53.51 | tarzeau | zumbi: look xorg is only a penis extension for people with too small of a penis |
| 21:53.51 | [Granger] | most people can't even write a config file on their own |
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| 21:53.56 | James_Ward | Isn't that what I need? |
| 21:54.02 | [Granger] | yet they want the newest version of open source software |
| 21:54.07 | stew | James_Ward: no |
| 21:54.20 | tarzeau | [Granger]: free software. please |
| 21:54.21 | zumbi | tarzeau, yeap, i agree, but i'd like xfree/xorg to be smaller as nanox or something like that :-D |
| 21:54.36 | [Granger] | tarzeau: free software* |
| 21:54.39 | takatumi | jair: haven't fiddled with apm honestly, acpi has been disabled but I haven't seen any apm=on stuff passed at boot. |
| 21:54.40 | tarzeau | zumbi: you want something like display postscript, like it exists in OPENSTEP |
| 21:54.47 | James_Ward | E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 21:54.53 | tarzeau | [Granger]: it's really a difference. and an important one too |
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| 21:55.04 | zumbi | tarzeau, i have to check that out |
| 21:55.12 | [Granger] | heh |
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| 21:55.13 | Pingu12- | man mii-tool says i can only set up either 100baseTx-FD, 100baseTx-HD, 10baseT-FD, or 10baseT-HD - is there no 1000baseTx-FD support ? |
| 21:55.22 | stew | James_Ward: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 21:55.27 | tarzeau | zumbi: much faster than x (for remote working) |
| 21:55.31 | stew | !info kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-586tsc sarge |
| 21:55.34 | tarzeau | zumbi: AND great if you do dtp stuff |
| 21:55.35 | dpkg | kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-586tsc: (Linux 2.4.27 kernel headers for Pentium-Classic), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 290 kB, Installed size: 19144 kB |
| 21:55.37 | James_Ward | Stew, sarge |
| 21:55.40 | tarzeau | zumbi: really wysiwyg |
| 21:55.43 | stew | James_Ward: ^^^ its there |
| 21:55.48 | stew | James_Ward: apt-get update maybe |
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| 21:56.06 | crashbg | can someone help me with my routing tables and dhcp3-server please |
| 21:56.11 | caphuso | tarzeau: uh, WYSIWYG is a completely unrelated topic |
| 21:56.31 | spundun | question... how do I disable (runlevel 5 or something) my computer from starting X at the boot time? I would like to do it manually when I need to.. I guess |
| 21:56.38 | caphuso | spundun: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 21:57.12 | takatumi | jair: or if that fails try a later kernel-image .11 maybe? |
| 21:57.15 | LaNova | How do I find out what is accessing or trying to open cdrom? I have tons of 'cdrom: open failed' in my dmesg. dvdwriter opens and closes vary fast! |
| 21:57.18 | zumbi | tarzeau, [...]While originally built on a Mach-based Unix[...] wow ! hehe |
| 21:57.25 | tarzeau | LaNova: try fuser |
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| 21:58.07 | LaNova | tarzeau: fuser /dev/hdc and /media/cdrom produce nothing |
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| 21:59.20 | James_Ward | stew, apt-get updating |
| 21:59.28 | LaNova | tarzeau: It started after a bad K3B burn attempt. Im using 2.6.8 kernel and no scsi emulation. This is second time it's happened and last time I had to reboot - man I feel like im in Windows (JOKING!) I don't want to reboot, but can't figure it out :-( |
| 21:59.44 | crashbg | ok i have eth0 connected to a ADSL modem, eth1 connected to another ISP and eth2 for the internal network; eth1 is configured to be the default gateway from the dhcpd server, and the half of the users in the internal network use it; my q is: how to route the other half of the users through eth0? |
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| 22:00.14 | robin_sz | crashbg: tc? |
| 22:00.22 | LaNova | umount cdrom |
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| 22:00.25 | LaNova | ooops |
| 22:00.25 | tarzeau | LaNova: i use cdrecord. no problems |
| 22:00.25 | crashbg | tc? |
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| 22:00.31 | stew | crashbg: /msg dpkg lartc |
| 22:00.36 | LaNova | tarzeau: thanks ;-} |
| 22:00.47 | robin_sz | lartc is probably what I meant |
| 22:01.12 | robin_sz | plenty of tc goodness in there |
| 22:01.25 | robin_sz | crashbg: is this a local or remote box? |
| 22:01.26 | Draconicus | Hey.. um.. I'm compiling a kernel from source, as some of you know, and what I assume is the make install is requesting input (I think) with "Local version - append to kernel release (LOCALVERSION) [] (NEW)" What do I do? |
| 22:01.35 | crashbg | its local box |
| 22:01.37 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, any luck? |
| 22:01.42 | Draconicus | Huh? |
| 22:01.46 | robin_sz | crashbg: that will be handy ;) |
| 22:01.55 | LaNova | What causes cdrom: open failed. Some googling led me to believe it was bad umount but cant find any indication of anything left around mounted |
| 22:02.05 | crashbg | robin_sz, do i have to patch and recompile the kernel to use lartc? |
| 22:02.10 | Draconicus | crashbg: local box? |
| 22:02.10 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, installing kernel headers. |
| 22:02.20 | jasoncohen | ah, ok- i was just going to say- i'm able to dl it |
| 22:02.28 | crashbg | Draconicus, yea it's in my room :) why |
| 22:02.28 | robin_sz | crashbg: not afaik apt-get install lartc should do it |
| 22:02.33 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, Had to do apt-get update |
| 22:02.39 | Draconicus | Oh, I thought that was to me.. |
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| 22:03.00 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, are you on sarge? |
| 22:03.02 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, There is no configure script in madwifi, by the way. |
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| 22:03.16 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, Yes. |
| 22:03.31 | Draconicus | What does it want? It shows "Local version - append to kernel release (LOCALVERSION) [] (NEW)" |
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| 22:03.57 | jasoncohen | i suppose you could have used the m-a method. i wouldn't because the driver is quite old and i need WPA support. |
| 22:04.03 | jair | takatumi, I will try to turn off the machine to see if this time everyhting turn off correcly. |
| 22:04.08 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, ./configure doesn't work? |
| 22:04.13 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, What is the m-a method? |
| 22:04.28 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 22:04.28 | jair | takatumi, if not I will then try to install the new image kernel is already out? |
| 22:04.31 | zulkifar | Sorry for offtopic. I'm getting an error while 'ifup' ethernet interface (eth2, module 8139too): SIOCSIFADDR: No such device \n eth2: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such devuce \n SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device + one more line... I thought it was NIC driver problem first, but then I tried another NIC (module e100) with same result. Where is the problem? (both drivers are compiled as modules and are loaded with no problems) |
| 22:04.33 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, There is no configure file in the directory tree. |
| 22:04.42 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, so? |
| 22:05.25 | jasoncohen | there's a Makefile, right? |
| 22:05.25 | takatumi | jair: in unstable. |
| 22:05.25 | Draconicus | Oh... I think I know what's going on. |
| 22:05.25 | jair | takatumi, the only thing is that I will need to reconfigure again the wireless |
| 22:05.25 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, sorry, it's just make && make install then |
| 22:05.25 | robin_sz | zulkifar: how manyh ethernet hards do you have installed? 3? |
| 22:05.34 | jair | takatumi, sorry but I do not want to mix stable with unstable. thank you though |
| 22:05.47 | zulkifar | robin_sz: how did you know that? :) Yes. |
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| 22:06.01 | robin_sz | hmmm ... |
| 22:06.01 | crashbg | robin_sz, i cant find lartc package, i find iproute only |
| 22:06.01 | stew | zulkifar: are all those modules loaded? |
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| 22:06.13 | zulkifar | stew: no, just 2/3 |
| 22:06.14 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, does make && make install work ? |
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| 22:06.29 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, One sec. |
| 22:06.35 | stew | zulkifar: if only 2 drivers are loaded then you should have eth0 and eth1 but no eth2 |
| 22:07.08 | jasoncohen | stew, could be firewire |
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| 22:07.21 | stew | jasoncohen: what could be? |
| 22:07.29 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, Make in progress. |
| 22:07.31 | jasoncohen | stew, i have eth0,1,2 (eth0 is 10/100 ethernet, eth1 is wireless and eth2 is firewire) |
| 22:07.35 | zulkifar | stew: I thought naming is free actually.. :/ |
| 22:07.39 | jasoncohen | one of the network devices |
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| 22:07.56 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, /usr/bin/ld: cannot open output file scripts/split-include: Permission denied |
| 22:07.56 | James_Ward | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 22:08.34 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, strange. you should be able to make as a user. try as root |
| 22:08.35 | zulkifar | stew: at least virtual pppN devices I name like 1,3,5,7 with no problems :) |
| 22:08.58 | stew | jasoncohen: trust me that nether a 8139 nor a e100 is firewire |
| 22:08.58 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, Trying m-a method in the meantime. |
| 22:08.58 | robin_sz | crashbg: then i dont know ... maybe its only in testing/experiemntal ... try http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 22:09.01 | Draconicus | No... What do I do with "Local version - append to kernel release (LOCALVERSION) [] (NEW)"? I'm compiling a kernel.. and... I assume this is part of config. |
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| 22:09.04 | bomex | just one question..: if i set up a switch to boot debian net installer on my computer from my moms computer, then after i booted it, disconnect my computer from the computer i booted from and connect it to the internet, will that work or does it require to have access to the img file at all times? |
| 22:09.09 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, just su and do make. why do both methods? |
| 22:09.12 | Draconicus | .config, rather. |
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| 22:09.36 | stew | zulkifar: where do you think you are assigning names to the interfaces? |
| 22:09.53 | xNinja | whats the command to get the same windows for apt-get after installing the debian net sarge |
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| 22:09.54 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, I stopped m-a and am making via sudo. It's working. |
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| 22:10.13 | blabber | Hello, Quick Question: Is it necessary/desirable to defragment a hard drive with windows before installing a complete partition of the hard drive with linux? Yes or no? |
| 22:10.25 | Draconicus | bomex: What the hell? Do you even know what you're talking about? |
| 22:10.37 | stew | blabber: not at all desired or necessary |
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| 22:10.52 | bomex | hmmm... it got kind a comlicated, didnt sound like that in mye head:P |
| 22:10.58 | RelDrgn | Does sarge have an equivalent to the /disks-i386/basedebs.tar that Woody had? |
| 22:11.00 | takatumi | blabber: format the fucker. |
| 22:11.02 | robin_sz | blabber: Linux will remove the windows virus for you |
| 22:11.03 | zulkifar | stew: in /etc/modprobe.d/local for ethernets and in /etc/ppp/-someting-/provider : unit N for pppN |
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| 22:11.29 | Draconicus | bomex: No... the things you're describing don't really make sense in any wording. That doesn't sound like something immediately debian related, anyway. |
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| 22:11.40 | CyL | blabber will you divide your windows partition so linux can be installed? |
| 22:11.57 | blabber | No just a clean install of linux, making the switch. :) |
| 22:11.58 | neo_ | hi |
| 22:11.59 | RelDrgn | blabber: if you're going to resize the windows partition, it will need to be defragged with all the data dragged to the start of the partition. |
| 22:11.59 | xNinja | whats the command to get the same window for apt-get after installing the debian net install "sarge" ? |
| 22:12.03 | bomex | i'm sorry, im trying to install debian for the first time.. |
| 22:12.11 | xNinja | hi neo_ |
| 22:12.13 | jasoncohen | he said the whole disk |
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| 22:12.19 | shingouz | blabber: if you are going to make a pure linux install, just partition and format the drive with the installer under linux and you are set |
| 22:12.21 | James_Ward | xNinja, synaptics? |
| 22:12.21 | caphuso | xNinja: try rephrasing that question so that it makes sense |
| 22:12.28 | neo_ | viva debian |
| 22:12.32 | xNinja | lol |
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| 22:12.35 | jasoncohen | xNinja, apt-get install synaptic |
| 22:12.43 | blabber | Alright, thanks guys. I'm off to do that now. >.> Bye. |
| 22:12.45 | caphuso | "windows"? |
| 22:12.51 | CyL | blabber RelDrgn said it all |
| 22:12.53 | caphuso | err, "window"? |
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| 22:13.02 | jasoncohen | xNinja, i think what you mean is the graphical frontend for apt-get |
| 22:13.07 | zulkifar | stew: actually I've already understood my problem and is going to fix this. So don't waste time on me :) Thank you for advice, I believe you're right |
| 22:13.08 | bomex | but i cant seem to get the cd's im buring to boot, so i thought i'd try to install it from another pc.. |
| 22:13.08 | xNinja | yeah |
| 22:13.09 | jasoncohen | and synaptic is the best one |
| 22:13.17 | kingsley | What's the difference between the flashplugin and flashplugin-nonfree packages? |
| 22:13.32 | xNinja | but is there one comes by default like what i get when i was installing the debian ? |
| 22:13.34 | Eulex | bomex: netboot? |
| 22:13.34 | robin_sz | one has some non-free code in it? |
| 22:13.39 | stew | zulkifar: you may want to look at the ifrename package |
| 22:13.48 | bomex | thats it=) |
| 22:14.08 | zulkifar | stew: ok |
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| 22:14.24 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, how's it going? |
| 22:14.26 | bush | anybody able to recommend a decent recording/mixing app thats in main? |
| 22:14.28 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, brb, compile in progress. |
| 22:14.29 | shingouz | bomex: you do burn the isos as isos and not as data? |
| 22:14.37 | bomex | yep |
| 22:14.40 | shingouz | good |
| 22:14.43 | jasoncohen | xNinja, you mean aptitude? the one you used during the install? |
| 22:14.49 | jasoncohen | xNinja, just type aptitude as root |
| 22:14.52 | K_Dallas | bush, not sure but have you tried audacity? |
| 22:14.52 | damo1987 | I'm a bit bambooozled: i can't run X as it says there is no core pointer, looking at /dev i find that there is no /dev/psaux and no /dev/input/mice as it is not usb; any reason why i do not have a mouse device - the problem happened after installing hotplug and doing a dist-upgrade so could be either - any help appreciated! |
| 22:14.59 | K_Dallas | i am not sure if it mixes too |
| 22:15.02 | bomex | i know im a newbie, but i've learned that:P |
| 22:15.17 | bush | K_Dallas: ive messed with it, but not for a while |
| 22:15.18 | jasoncohen | kingsley, what do you mean? i only see flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:15.20 | Eulex | bomex, well, what would happen is that you won't have access to it anymore, you'd probably have to change your sources.list and such |
| 22:15.21 | shingouz | damo1987: 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:15.22 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 22:15.23 | stew | damo1987: its probably udev. do you have psmouse and mousedev modules loaded? |
| 22:15.26 | bush | hydrogen got updated! looks nice. |
| 22:15.41 | jasoncohen | kingsley, that's not actually flash. that'll download the flash installer and make a .deb for you + install it |
| 22:15.45 | damo1987 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.49 | jasoncohen | and then you'll see a flashplayer-mozilla package |
| 22:15.57 | shingouz | damo1987: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 22:15.57 | robin_sz | coo |
| 22:16.09 | Draconicus | Eh.. I'm just gonna hit enter. -_-; |
| 22:16.10 | robin_sz | jasoncohen: a bit like the java installers then? |
| 22:16.16 | bomex | well, thats the problem... like i said, im new in unix, only tried it in ssh shells... so i dont think i should start editing things yet... |
| 22:16.17 | xNinja | jasoncohen thanks i am downloading the synaptic |
| 22:16.18 | jasoncohen | robin_sz, yes |
| 22:16.35 | jasoncohen | woops, not flashplayer-mozilla, heh |
| 22:17.03 | damo1987 | ok thankyou very much. i will try it later |
| 22:17.04 | robin_sz | jasoncohen: i presume this is to get around some licence problem? |
| 22:17.04 | bush | sid literally unstable? what happened this time |
| 22:17.05 | shingouz | bomex: does the box boot off cd in the first place? any bootable cd that is? |
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| 22:17.14 | caphuso | bush: sarge got released |
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| 22:17.18 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, My system is a wee bit slow... ;-) |
| 22:17.23 | shingouz | bush: Sid has always been unstable |
| 22:17.30 | bush | shingouz: im referring to the topic |
| 22:17.31 | bomex | yes, it boots from a winxp cd have.. |
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| 22:17.35 | stew | bush: unstable in that its changing quickly now that packages aren't being held out becuase of the release |
| 22:17.41 | bush | ah |
| 22:17.43 | bush | i see |
| 22:17.44 | shingouz | bush: yes, i have read /topic even today |
| 22:17.45 | robin_sz | unstable? Sid is barking mad, poor guy. |
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| 22:17.46 | jasoncohen | robin_sz, yeah, they can't package it directly |
| 22:17.52 | robin_sz | right |
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| 22:18.01 | bush | must not reboot desktop then |
| 22:18.22 | robin_sz | sigh ... wonder if my webcam is supported again yet :( |
| 22:18.26 | jasoncohen | robin_sz, if you apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree it'll download the flash package and create a deb/install it for you. i just use the one from marillat |
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| 22:18.45 | bush | marillat is down intermittenly for me |
| 22:18.50 | bush | has been for weeks |
| 22:19.03 | jasoncohen | bush, really? what's your sources.list entry? |
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| 22:19.16 | robin_sz | jasoncohen: thats OK, I have no desire to use flash .. ever. |
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| 22:19.19 | bomex | waht program should i use to burn the iso? |
| 22:19.26 | bush | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 22:19.27 | kpld | |
| 22:19.28 | K_Dallas | bomex cdrecord |
| 22:19.29 | kpld | hello |
| 22:19.29 | robin_sz | just curious about the procedure |
| 22:19.33 | bush | its up, its down, its up, its down |
| 22:19.36 | bomex | ok |
| 22:19.38 | kpld | he |
| 22:19.39 | bush | sometimes i can reach it and sometimes i cant |
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| 22:19.42 | bomex | i'll try that then.. |
| 22:19.43 | HanClinto | When installing Debian, is it okay to put a blank domain in, and if I do, will it hurt me? |
| 22:19.53 | kbrooks | its ok |
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| 22:19.57 | jasoncohen | bush, change unstable to sid and apt-get update |
| 22:20.04 | bush | HanClinto: its fine, as long as you're not running any services that are going to be gheyed up because of it |
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| 22:20.05 | kbrooks | and it wont hurt you |
| 22:20.11 | bush | hm |
| 22:20.17 | jasoncohen | bush, i believe he changed his naming from stable, testing, unstable to sarge, etch, sid |
| 22:20.20 | kbrooks | bush: it wont be gheyed up |
| 22:20.34 | kpld | |
| 22:20.35 | robin_sz | hmmmm |
| 22:20.43 | HanClinto | bush: I want to run apache on a LAN, and possibly a SVN server. Will that screw it up? |
| 22:20.52 | kbrooks | HanClinto: no |
| 22:20.53 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, heh, what system are you on? |
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| 22:20.55 | bush | no |
| 22:20.59 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, it takes no time here |
| 22:21.03 | kbrooks | HanClinto: domain wont be required |
| 22:21.09 | jasoncohen | bush, http://sft.if.usp.br/debian-marillat/ |
| 22:21.09 | HanClinto | Okay, great. :) Thanks! |
| 22:21.11 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, HP Omnibook 800ct. |
| 22:21.14 | bush | ah |
| 22:21.18 | jasoncohen | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main |
| 22:21.19 | HanClinto | And I can always set it later if I need to, right? |
| 22:21.20 | kbrooks | HanClinto: you CAN however USE the domain |
| 22:21.25 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, 166MHz Pentium I think. |
| 22:21.28 | kpld | hello |
| 22:21.35 | jasoncohen | bush, he made the change after sarge was installed. i bet your problems started then |
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| 22:21.46 | jasoncohen | 12/06/2005 : |
| 22:21.46 | jasoncohen | New directories names. Now stable is sarge, testing is etch and unstable is sid. Please update your sources.list |
| 22:21.50 | bush | ive been having the same problem since way before the sarge release |
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| 22:21.57 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, make install in progress. |
| 22:21.59 | bush | if thats what you're referring to |
| 22:22.03 | bush | but it works now |
| 22:22.05 | bush | thanks jasoncohen |
| 22:22.07 | jasoncohen | np |
| 22:22.12 | HanClinto | Okay. Thanks kbrooks, thanks bush |
| 22:22.13 | polm | How can I edit my GNOME 2.10 program menu ? |
| 22:22.14 | bush | why couldnt somebody alert me to that sooner... |
| 22:22.19 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, now modprobe ath_pci |
| 22:22.26 | jasoncohen | polm, not easily |
| 22:22.39 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, Once the make install is finished... ;-) Should I have the card in first? |
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| 22:22.51 | jasoncohen | polm, hopefully python2.4-gtk2 will be added to unstable so that we can use smeg but right now we can't |
| 22:22.58 | stochastic | how do I get alsa to work around the arts sound daemon in KDE? |
| 22:22.59 | jasoncohen | and there's no easy way in 2.10 |
| 22:23.14 | jasoncohen | bush, well- did you ask? |
| 22:23.20 | bush | jasoncohen: i asked a few people |
| 22:23.25 | jasoncohen | you should have checked his site |
| 22:23.25 | bush | but this was before june 12 |
| 22:23.39 | jasoncohen | he made the chane june 6th |
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| 22:23.43 | bush | it wasnt affecting installed packages, i would just get errors during updates |
| 22:23.59 | polm | oh well |
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| 22:24.02 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, modprobe: Can't locate module ath_pci |
| 22:24.06 | airox | I'm wondering about something. |
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| 22:24.11 | airox | I want to setup a proxy server. |
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| 22:24.15 | airox | The connection from proxy to clients should be ALWAYS SSL. |
| 22:24.17 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, But I saw it installed! |
| 22:24.18 | jasoncohen | for a few days marillat was really messed up as he was changing to a pool setup |
| 22:24.22 | bush | 12/6/2005 is june 12 |
| 22:24.22 | airox | I don't want to setup a tunnel or such. |
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| 22:24.26 | airox | Is this possible WITHOUT third party tools ? |
| 22:24.27 | bush | but whatever |
| 22:24.30 | bush | :) |
| 22:24.35 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, updatedb and then locate ath_pci |
| 22:24.45 | jasoncohen | /lib/modules/2.6.8/net/ath_pci.ko |
| 22:24.47 | airox | Like doing the client setup all with IE or such ? |
| 22:24.57 | xNinja | aptitude is not the same as what i get after installing the debian jasoncohen thereis another one |
| 22:25.06 | caphuso | xNinja: tasksel? |
| 22:25.14 | airox | dselect ? |
| 22:25.16 | airox | ;) |
| 22:25.16 | jasoncohen | aptitude is what the installer uses |
| 22:25.17 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, updatedb in progress. |
| 22:25.33 | jasoncohen | xNinja, check /lib/modules/`uname -r`/net/ |
| 22:25.58 | xNinja | taskkel thats it :) |
| 22:26.09 | Dragon-Eater | How can i change CHMOD on the folder and all subfiles/folders with just 1 chmod instead of every map :p |
| 22:26.22 | daxxar | why is exim running as unknown uid 102? |
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| 22:26.43 | caphuso | Dragon-Eater: "recursively" is what you are looking for in the man page |
| 22:26.44 | CyL | Dragon-Eater chmod -R? |
| 22:26.46 | jasoncohen | xNinja, tasksel isn't even installed here..the installer doesn't use it |
| 22:26.56 | jasoncohen | how am i supposed to know what *you* used after the install? |
| 22:27.03 | Dragon-Eater | chmod -R |
| 22:27.05 | Dragon-Eater | i tried that |
| 22:27.21 | Dragon-Eater | chmod -R 777 data |
| 22:27.26 | xNinja | jasoncohen its starting after installation ! |
| 22:27.29 | Dragon-Eater | still his submaps are not 777 |
| 22:27.41 | Dragon-Eater | i even switches 777 and -R around |
| 22:27.48 | jasoncohen | xNinja, nevermind, you were right |
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| 22:28.02 | jasoncohen | it allows you to choose categories of software |
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| 22:28.06 | jasoncohen | why didn't you say that before? |
| 22:28.07 | stew | Dragon-Eater: what is a submap? |
| 22:28.18 | Dragon-Eater | a map located in a parent map |
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| 22:28.22 | stochastic | is there any command script to find out if it's KDE that's messing up my sound or if the soundcard isn't configured |
| 22:28.34 | Dragon-Eater | like 4 example, lib = a submap of usr :) |
| 22:28.35 | stew | Dragon-Eater: what is a map, what is a parent map? |
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| 22:28.46 | Dragon-Eater | usr would be the parent map |
| 22:28.50 | caphuso | Dragon-Eater: it's called a "directory", not a "map" |
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| 22:29.00 | caphuso | don't invent your own fancy terms which nobody else understands |
| 22:29.08 | Dragon-Eater | rofl |
| 22:29.13 | Dragon-Eater | MAP sjeez :p |
| 22:29.22 | zamzam | hey does anyone know the "location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel" is by default for 2.6.8-2-686? |
| 22:29.26 | Dragon-Eater | in my country it means exactly the same |
| 22:29.29 | CyL | Dragon-Eater you're running it as thw owner of the directory? |
| 22:29.31 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, /lib/modules/2.4.27/net/ath_pci.o |
| 22:29.33 | Dragon-Eater | r00t |
| 22:29.36 | stew | Dragon-Eater: "chmod -R 777 dir" will change the mode of dir/ and all of dir's children recursively, so long as you are the owner of those files |
| 22:29.40 | jasoncohen | stochastic, if you're using alsa you can run alsaconf to setup your soundcard |
| 22:29.42 | daxxar | Dragon-Eater, no, I think "map" would correspond with "folder", not "directory". |
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| 22:29.52 | Dragon-Eater | map = dutch for folder my friend |
| 22:29.57 | Dragon-Eater | me is dutcho |
| 22:29.58 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, oh, well, it's your fault, heh |
| 22:29.59 | daxxar | Yep. And folder != directory. |
| 22:30.00 | stochastic | jasoncohen, I already have but it still doesn't work |
| 22:30.05 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, or my fault for missing a step |
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| 22:30.08 | daxxar | ;-P |
| 22:30.08 | f-stop | has anyone here done a distupgrade from woody to sarge, and experienced problems with mdadm and a raid5 setup in pertaining to superblocks |
| 22:30.11 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, ? |
| 22:30.13 | Dragon-Eater | w/e smartass ;) |
| 22:30.27 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, What step? |
| 22:30.29 | daxxar | xD |
| 22:30.31 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, pico/mcedit/vim/insert editor here /usr/src/linux/Makefile |
| 22:30.49 | jasoncohen | you need to set the right extraversion |
| 22:30.51 | Dragon-Eater | Warning: mysql_errno(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link resource in /var/www/xs/db/mysql4.php on line 331 |
| 22:30.51 | Dragon-Eater | phpBB : Critical Error |
| 22:30.54 | Dragon-Eater | woops |
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| 22:30.59 | Dragon-Eater | wrong room :) |
| 22:31.05 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, it installed to 2.4.27 but it should be 2.4.27-586tlc or something |
| 22:31.10 | zamzam | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.27 | jasoncohen | 586tsc right? |
| 22:31.27 | James_Ward | jeward@omnibook:~/madwifi$ ls /usr/src |
| 22:31.28 | James_Ward | kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 22:31.34 | nvz | well I dont know for sure yet, but I think I solved the ant problem on my desk, and them living in my keyboard. I dressed the desktop and keyboard with armor all, lets see how they like that |
| 22:31.36 | caphuso | zamzam: dpkg -L kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 22:31.52 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, Which should I ln to linux? |
| 22:31.54 | f-stop | will rewriting the superblock on my raid5 array erase the information on the raid partition that the superblock is updated on? |
| 22:32.00 | stew | James_Ward: neither |
| 22:32.06 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, change the EXTRAVERSION = line to EXTRAVERSION= -2-586tsc |
| 22:32.15 | nvz | my keyboard looks better than it did new |
| 22:32.18 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, I have no /usr/src/linux |
| 22:32.23 | stew | James_Ward: you shouldn't |
| 22:32.24 | abrotman | !tsc |
| 22:32.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, tsc is Timestamp Counter, an instruction on newer x86 processors, which gives a fairly accurate timestamp. |
| 22:32.27 | kbrooks | none? |
| 22:32.33 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, /usr/src/`uname -r`/Makefile |
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| 22:32.43 | zamzam | caphuso: Package `kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-68' is not installed. |
| 22:32.44 | abrotman | nvz: most people keep those in a fish tank |
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| 22:32.45 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, sorry, i just added linux as a symbolic link for myself |
| 22:32.51 | caphuso | zamzam: there's your answer |
| 22:33.05 | stew | jasoncohen: kernel README tells you not to, btw |
| 22:33.12 | nvz | abrotman: you keep your keyboard in a fishtank? |
| 22:33.14 | jasoncohen | stew, why? |
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| 22:33.21 | jasoncohen | heh, nevermind- i'll read the README |
| 22:33.22 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, /usr/src/2.4.27-2-586tsc/Makefile: new file: line 1 |
| 22:33.23 | zamzam | caphuso: alright i'll give the apt-get install a shot |
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| 22:33.33 | abrotman | nvz: i encased it in latex .. don't you do that with yours? |
| 22:33.40 | stochastic | I'm running on a new install of sarge and I'm attempting to get alsa working for my snd-ice1712 card but after running alsaconf it still doesn't work. All my mixer settings are up high and not muted. I'm not sure what to do now. |
| 22:33.41 | abrotman | Gnea: i hate your weather!!!! |
| 22:33.48 | James_Ward | jeward@omnibook:~/madwifi$ ls /usr/src |
| 22:33.48 | James_Ward | kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 22:33.50 | bwest | hello, does anyone know who mainatains passwd (original creator). I'm trying to author a gtk app that does the same thing |
| 22:33.56 | f-stop | anyone have much software raid experience in linux could help me out? |
| 22:33.57 | abrotman | James_Ward: no -source ? |
| 22:33.59 | nvz | abrotman: nope, armor all seems to work fine |
| 22:34.00 | kbrooks | jasoncohen: the symlink is deprecated |
| 22:34.11 | nvz | makes it all shiny |
| 22:34.13 | James_Ward | abrotman, Coreect. |
| 22:34.15 | abrotman | nvz: how about gasoline! hahahha! |
| 22:34.22 | kbrooks | bwest: why contact? |
| 22:34.22 | abrotman | James_Ward: install it ? |
| 22:34.25 | stew | abrotman: why? |
| 22:34.28 | abrotman | nvz: Top Secret!! |
| 22:34.34 | James_Ward | abrotman, I need it? |
| 22:34.38 | stew | James_Ward: no, you don't |
| 22:34.38 | bwest | kbrooks: ? |
| 22:34.39 | abrotman | stew: because i have absolutely no idea what he's trying to do!!!! |
| 22:34.50 | bwest | I want to build a gtkpasswd app |
| 22:34.51 | James_Ward | stew, What now? |
| 22:34.55 | abrotman | James_Ward: totally ignore me .. i was a donkey in a previous life |
| 22:34.56 | stew | abrotman: he's trying to install madwifi but doesn't want to use m-a for some reason |
| 22:35.03 | abrotman | stew: why not ? |
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| 22:35.12 | stew | abrotman: because jasoncohen thinks thats harder |
| 22:35.19 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, mcedit /usr/src/`uname -r`/Makefile ...in your case that could be the 586tsc one |
| 22:35.21 | xooooz | bwest: check the source code of passwd |
| 22:35.28 | abrotman | stew: try .. Harder .. |
| 22:35.33 | bwest | xoooz where do I get the source for passwd |
| 22:35.34 | abrotman | James_Ward: use m-a |
| 22:35.34 | jasoncohen | stew, i was wrong- using the dpkg instructions are easier |
| 22:35.35 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, There is no such directory. |
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| 22:35.47 | James_Ward | Trying m-a. |
| 22:35.51 | abrotman | why in god's name would you do it the hard way? |
| 22:35.53 | jasoncohen | stew, i use CVS because i need good WPA support |
| 22:35.53 | stew | jasoncohen: why would he have a /usr/src/2.4.27-2-586-tsc directory? and why would it have a makefile |
| 22:36.02 | stew | jasoncohen: you said the dpkg instructions were wrong |
| 22:36.17 | abrotman | and why would you use the -tsc kernel ? |
| 22:36.19 | jasoncohen | stew, no- i was referring to instructions i found online which used CVS |
| 22:36.32 | jasoncohen | the dpkg instructions use an old madwifi version |
| 22:36.33 | stew | abrotman: he actually is running a 586 |
| 22:36.36 | jasoncohen | not sure if it has WPA support |
| 22:36.43 | abrotman | stew: i don't think the -tsc is for 586 |
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| 22:37.15 | stew | abrotman: you don't think a -586tsc kernel is for 586? |
| 22:37.20 | Dragon-Eater | how can i see what i have installed trough apt-get? |
| 22:37.22 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, btw, you could just copy ath_pci.ko to /usr/lib/`uname -r`/net/ |
| 22:37.33 | christor | Please I search how to disable apic in grub |
| 22:37.48 | abrotman | stew: i was wrong . i thought it was for a special subset |
| 22:37.50 | jasoncohen | woops - /lib/`uname -r`/net/ |
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| 22:38.03 | stew | jasoncohen: still wrong |
| 22:38.11 | MobyTurbo | christor: I think the correct kernel line is "noapic" |
| 22:38.14 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.16 | jasoncohen | ahh |
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| 22:38.21 | abrotman | still wrong |
| 22:38.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:38.27 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:38.35 | jasoncohen | damn that took a while |
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| 22:38.43 | christor | MobyTurbo: yes but When I add this line and update-grub, the line disappear |
| 22:38.53 | ccg | i got my soundcard working by loading the alsa module for it, what is actually the point now of running /etc/init.d/alsa start |
| 22:39.05 | abrotman | christor: you could just run grub-install ? |
| 22:39.11 | MobyTurbo | christor: the grub.conf file contains comments showing you how to add parameters in a commented line to make update-grub keep it |
| 22:39.14 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, so cp /lib/modules/2.4.27/net/ath_pci.ko /lib/modules/`uname -r`/net/ |
| 22:39.16 | Rev0 | HELP NEEDED! |
| 22:39.26 | bwest | how do I get the source of a package |
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| 22:39.36 | Rev0 | How to undelete files in Linux (ext2fs)??? |
| 22:39.44 | abrotman | !undelete |
| 22:39.44 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, There is no 'net' directory in there. |
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| 22:39.50 | abrotman | dpkg: you're the best |
| 22:39.50 | dpkg | la la la la .... I did it myyyyyyyyy wayyy ... cof cof ... |
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| 22:39.57 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, locate ath_pci.ko |
| 22:39.57 | abrotman | uhm |
| 22:40.02 | Rev0 | bwest: apt-get source name_of_package |
| 22:40.02 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 22:40.02 | abrotman | jasoncohen: updatedb first |
| 22:40.08 | jasoncohen | abrotman, he did 5 minutes ago |
| 22:40.10 | abrotman | simonrvn: no likie ? |
| 22:40.12 | jasoncohen | i told hme to |
| 22:40.13 | jasoncohen | *him |
| 22:40.15 | abrotman | jasoncohen: things change :) |
| 22:40.20 | abrotman | @you're the best |
| 22:40.21 | ravenbird | la la la la .... I did it myyyyyyyyy wayyy ... cof cof ... |
| 22:40.24 | jasoncohen | abrotman, he did after compiling madwifi |
| 22:40.27 | jasoncohen | nothing should have changed |
| 22:40.34 | simonrvn | putting * around the cof would make it better |
| 22:40.36 | stew | jasoncohen: .ko is for 2.6 |
| 22:40.41 | jair | guys, how could i set the apm on the bios at the /boo/config-2.6.8... I have the APM there but appear "not set" |
| 22:40.42 | zamzam | caphuso: yo you there homie? |
| 22:40.44 | simonrvn | like, *cof* *cof* |
| 22:40.50 | jasoncohen | stew, oh |
| 22:40.54 | simonrvn | :) |
| 22:40.58 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, locate ath_pci then |
| 22:40.58 | jair | how could I enable it on the kernel system configuration? |
| 22:41.05 | simonrvn | but yeh, it's cute |
| 22:41.12 | abrotman | oh? |
| 22:41.14 | caphuso | WTF is "homie"? |
| 22:41.15 | abrotman | he says .. oh? |
| 22:41.21 | zamzam | caphuso: I installed it with apt-get..but what would the directory turn out to be? the installation for vmware is saying that /usr/src/linux/include isn't correct.s o I assume that's not correct |
| 22:41.25 | abrotman | caphuso: urban dictionary |
| 22:41.33 | zamzam | caphuso: yeah just use the urban dictionary |
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| 22:41.38 | simonrvn | or 'homes' |
| 22:41.39 | abrotman | caphuso: usually buddy/pal/comrade |
| 22:41.39 | zamzam | lol |
| 22:41.40 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, /lib/modules/2.4.27/net/ath_pci.o |
| 22:41.43 | zamzam | holmes* |
| 22:41.45 | caphuso | zamzam: 00:31 caphuso> zamzam: dpkg -L kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-68600:31 caphuso> zamzam: dpkg -L kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 22:41.48 | caphuso | oops |
| 22:41.57 | jair | I wan tto make the IBM I have use the "apm" to manage the battery power etc... because the acpi fail it do not turn off my computer completly |
| 22:41.58 | MobyTurbo | are you sure "homie" is not short for homosexual? |
| 22:42.01 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, ok, copy that to /lib/modules/`uname -r`/net/ |
| 22:42.07 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: yes |
| 22:42.11 | kolloh | usr/sbin/sshd: error while loading shared libraries: libwrap.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directo |
| 22:42.12 | kolloh | i get this error when i run sshd again.. ./usr/sbin/sshd |
| 22:42.12 | zamzam | caphuso: I did that |
| 22:42.14 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: forgot the ;-) |
| 22:42.17 | shingouz | homie = homeboy fyi :) |
| 22:42.17 | kolloh | anyone? |
| 22:42.21 | abrotman | zamzam: run what |
| 22:42.21 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:42.28 | caphuso | zamzam: well, then you know the answer |
| 22:42.29 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, and then you should be able to do modprobe ath_pci |
| 22:42.31 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, There is no net directory in /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 22:42.37 | simonrvn | yes, 'homeboy'. a person in the same neighbourhood |
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| 22:42.57 | shingouz | boyz n da hood |
| 22:43.01 | caphuso | ah, "homeboy" sounds familiar |
| 22:43.02 | zamzam | caphuso: oh I see, alright thanks man I appreciate it dawg |
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| 22:43.31 | James_Ward | jasoncohen, Should I make one? |
| 22:43.48 | jasoncohen | stew, how could James_Ward not have a /lib/modules/`uname -r`/net dir for his current kernel? |
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| 22:44.31 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, i suppose so |
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| 22:44.42 | abrotman | uhm .. no ? |
| 22:44.53 | abrotman | could you try any harder to screw up his box ? |
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| 22:45.03 | jasoncohen | James_Ward, all the files i have in net/ are related to madwifi |
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| 22:45.07 | James_Ward | eward@omnibook:~$ find /lib/modules/ -name net |
| 22:45.08 | James_Ward | /lib/modules/2.4.27/net |
| 22:45.08 | James_Ward | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-586tsc/kernel/drivers/net |
| 22:45.08 | James_Ward | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-586tsc/kernel/net |
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| 22:45.08 | christor | Ok I have disable apic :) |
| 22:45.16 | simonrvn | brb, getting dinner |
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| 22:45.35 | simonrvn | people, when are you going to learn not to paste in here? |
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| 22:45.40 | shingouz | James_Ward: do not paste here |
| 22:45.45 | abrotman | simonrvn: i have a guesstimate |
| 22:45.49 | shingouz | never? |
| 22:45.57 | shingouz | in year 4987345? |
| 22:46.06 | abrotman | xooooz: try the kernel Bugzilla |
| 22:46.17 | xooooz | abrotman: tnks |
| 22:47.30 | mith | I have a pronunciation question |
| 22:47.38 | christor | Is someone has an idea about this error?? localhost kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out |
| 22:47.47 | solomonn | mith: it's leeenoooox |
| 22:47.52 | mith | the e in Debian is pronounce much like the e in 'dead' (not a pun), right? |
| 22:47.54 | solomonn | :D |
| 22:47.59 | mith | why do people keep saying deebian |
| 22:48.02 | mith | so fucking annoying |
| 22:48.07 | abrotman | !say debian |
| 22:48.08 | idnar | mith: because they don't know the derivation of the name |
| 22:48.08 | dpkg | debian |
| 22:48.12 | abrotman | dpkg: you suck |
| 22:48.13 | dpkg | Dream on, abrotman. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 22:48.14 | xooooz | mith: debby gibson |
| 22:48.14 | solomonn | mith: the name comes from two people's names, "deb" and "ian" |
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| 22:48.22 | stew | !mith abrotman |
| 22:48.27 | idnar | mith: I think "deebian" is a more natural pronunciation of the word, on first sight |
| 22:48.28 | abrotman | !pronounce debian |
| 22:48.28 | dpkg | debian is pronounced like Deb and like Ian. Deh-be-an |
| 22:48.36 | idnar | (I used to say it that way too, before I knew where the name came from) |
| 22:48.39 | mith | solomonn: i know |
| 22:48.51 | solomonn | mith: so say it like you're saying the two names :P |
| 22:48.51 | mith | idnar: no it's not |
| 22:48.59 | shingouz | !pronounce linux |
| 22:49.10 | shingouz | hehe... he has the right spirit |
| 22:49.11 | abrotman | !pronounce derbian |
| 22:49.11 | dpkg | i guess pronounce derbian is Deh-be-an |
| 22:49.13 | mith | solomonn: *I* know how to say it, I was just doing a sanity check, people keep saying "deebian" to me and it's annoying |
| 22:49.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:49.29 | idnar | derbian? heh |
| 22:49.44 | xooooz | !pronounce abrotman |
| 22:49.58 | solomonn | mith: ah, that's not really a question then :P |
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| 22:50.11 | abrotman | !abrotman |
| 22:50.12 | dpkg | from memory, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 22:50.16 | kbrooks | LOL! |
| 22:50.17 | abrotman | bah .. fuck . don't vote for me |
| 22:50.26 | abrotman | pseubodot: you will be punished .. i swear it! |
| 22:50.35 | shingouz | abrotman: of course not |
| 22:50.47 | kbrooks | someone DOWNLOADS file as root |
| 22:50.51 | MobyTurbo | mith: at least they know what "debian" is, I have a hard enough time explaining to people what Linux is. |
| 22:50.57 | kbrooks | and saves it into |
| 22:51.02 | kbrooks | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.06 | kbrooks | LOL |
| 22:51.10 | shingouz | kbrooks: neat |
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| 22:51.50 | abrotman | kbrooks: who would do that ? |
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| 22:52.52 | overflow | Hi. Im having problems with chrooting bind9 on sarge. Any Idea about it ? |
| 22:52.58 | shingouz | abrotman: you have been here on sundays, what kind of people do you think would download as root |
| 22:53.11 | shingouz | !any idea |
| 22:53.12 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of three-legged hamsters. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 22:53.58 | kbrooks | abrotman: i dont know |
| 22:54.15 | overflow | shingouz, no, really. |
| 22:54.26 | kbrooks | abrotman: shall i bring him here? |
| 22:54.27 | pusling | what is wrong in being root all the time? It is much easier and no permission problems. |
| 22:54.33 | shingouz | overflow: no, really. ask questions we can answer |
| 22:54.37 | abrotman | kbrooks: why? .. so we can !pal <dumbass> ? |
| 22:54.38 | pusling | ;) |
| 22:54.39 | kbrooks | |
| 22:54.44 | kbrooks | abrotman: no |
| 22:54.53 | abrotman | overflow: why isn't it working ? |
| 22:54.56 | aurax | can anyone direct me to the sarge stable iso ? |
| 22:54.57 | kbrooks | so that you all can fix him up |
| 22:55.01 | abrotman | !d-i aurax |
| 22:55.02 | dpkg | aurax, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:55.13 | aurax | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 22:55.15 | shingouz | kbrooks: with pr0n? |
| 22:55.21 | abrotman | oh shit. |
| 22:55.24 | abrotman | guess it's wrong now |
| 22:55.26 | pusling | apt-get install pr0n |
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| 22:55.29 | abrotman | aurax: yes .. that's good if you have broadband |
| 22:55.33 | overflow | abrootman, shingouz, Well I tried to chrooted and the init.d/bind9 don't start it. Someone told me in #debian at Efnet that bind9 in sarge don't come with chroot patches :S |
| 22:55.33 | kbrooks | shingouz: with text |
| 22:55.34 | aurax | yeh cool |
| 22:55.41 | aurax | anyone tried here working with opengroupware? |
| 22:55.44 | aurax | or open-xchange. |
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| 22:55.51 | kbrooks | abrotman: do you want him here or not? |
| 22:56.08 | abrotman | kbrooks: not my problem .. he's not on my machine |
| 22:56.18 | kbrooks | okay |
| 22:56.30 | ethics | just to confirm something i think i already know......ISO can be burnt to dvd or iso as long as there enough room...its a waste but i only have blank dvds atm hehe net-inst from dvd hehe |
| 22:56.34 | lewis | apart from ebay, anyone interested or know where to sell a 2U case? |
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| 22:56.52 | shingouz | overflow: i am not the resident bind9 expert. as a matter of fact i still rely on /etc/hosts for the time being. ask the channel and someone might know the answer. /msg dpkg ask; /msg dpkg sicco |
| 22:56.55 | ethics | dvd or CD rather |
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| 22:57.06 | Dragon-Eater | Yo any debian specific mysql experts in here? i get: Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client , however i got client to 4.1 , did i forget something? :s i took: mysql-server-4.1 trough apt-get and the binaries from mysql.org |
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| 22:57.18 | overflow | abrotman, shingouz syslog says that it can't open the pid file :s |
| 22:57.49 | abrotman | oh god .. run like hell |
| 22:57.50 | abrotman | ! |
| 22:57.53 | abrotman | !!! |
| 22:57.54 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 22:57.54 | stochastic | I've got my ALSA configured and it's running (from what I think anyways) but nothing in KDE seems to see it, am I missing something simple? |
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| 22:58.04 | abrotman | !suse |
| 22:58.04 | dpkg | well, suse is a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. the root of all that is wrong and evil |
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| 22:58.13 | abrotman | !suse is also #suse |
| 22:58.13 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 22:58.14 | Dragon-Eater | !debian |
| 22:58.14 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 22:58.19 | shingouz | overflow: i guess it does not have permissions to open the pid file or the proper directory is not there |
| 22:58.19 | Dragon-Eater | !mandrake |
| 22:58.19 | dpkg | from memory, mandrake is the old name of mandriva |
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| 22:58.30 | Dragon-Eater | :/ |
| 22:58.38 | Dragon-Eater | !rethad |
| 22:58.50 | pusling | !deadrat |
| 22:58.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, deadrat is cf: roothat, redhat |
| 22:58.53 | Dragon-Eater | lol |
| 22:59.01 | overflow | shingouz, I check the init.d/bind9 script and It start and set the proper permission to that directory |
| 22:59.18 | initech | why are linux distro names starting to sound as stupid as the names for cars? linspire? mandriva? wtf |
| 22:59.19 | Dragon-Eater | !deadian |
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| 22:59.31 | Dragon-Eater | initech |
| 22:59.41 | shingouz | Dragon-Eater: if you like to play with the bots, /msg them instead |
| 22:59.46 | Dragon-Eater | i dont think "debian" would ever change to mercedes :) |
| 22:59.49 | thorie | can I run two instances of postfix on the same machine? |
| 22:59.50 | abrotman | initech: because people with stupid IRC nicks name the linux distros ? |
| 22:59.52 | pusling | initech: yeah. and stupid names like debian |
| 22:59.54 | Dragon-Eater | nah shingouz i already played enough ;) |
| 22:59.57 | shingouz | :) |
| 22:59.58 | abrotman | thorie: on different ports you could .. |
| 23:00.04 | Dragon-Eater | anyway |
| 23:00.09 | idnar | !roothat |
| 23:00.09 | dpkg | A newer Linux distro which has gained a large following of clueless people. Great for the "Start Menu" crowd who'd like to be techno trendy. Advantages: Running the default setup can win you many new friends, a la root@localhost. See also: calhaira, hackware, plebian, SuRE. slang for RedHat Linux, or see yerrowdog. tarballlinux |
| 23:00.11 | Dragon-Eater | Yo any debian specific mysql experts in here? i get: Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client , however i got client to 4.1 , did i forget something? :s i took: mysql-server-4.1 trough apt-get and the binaries from mysql.org |
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| 23:00.18 | initech | pusling: debian isn't so bad a name. not even in the same league as "linspire" |
| 23:00.24 | idnar | hahaha. talk of the devil |
| 23:00.26 | stew | Dragon-Eater: what does "binaries from mysql.org" mean? |
| 23:00.36 | thorie | abrotman: would i specify the port in master.cf? |
| 23:00.37 | Dragon-Eater | -_-^ |
| 23:00.37 | abrotman | there's a good way to fuck up mysql .. oh wait .. it's crap to begin with .. install postgresql .. start again :) |
| 23:00.40 | initech | pusling: or, for that matter, "pusling" |
| 23:00.52 | abrotman | thorie: dunno .. ask #postfix .. i assume it's possible .. they may tell you otherwise |
| 23:01.02 | pusling | initech: pusling is danish and means someone nice and cute ;) |
| 23:01.10 | thorie | abrotman: nobody in #postfix cares |
| 23:01.16 | Dragon-Eater | stew hold on |
| 23:01.19 | abrotman | thorie: people sleep you know :) |
| 23:01.20 | Dragon-Eater | ill get ya the full name |
| 23:01.22 | initech | pusling: it means that in english as well |
| 23:01.28 | initech | :) |
| 23:01.32 | pusling | cool ;) |
| 23:01.41 | abrotman | thorie: docs at www.postfix.org don't work ? |
| 23:01.44 | abrotman | err help ? |
| 23:01.46 | Dragon-Eater | Linux (x86, glibc-2.2, static, gcc) Standard 4.1.12 29.3M Pick a mirror |
| 23:01.46 | Dragon-Eater | MD5: cb1f5413d7d836cf9d8c213a732985b1 | Signature |
| 23:01.48 | thorie | abrotman: i'll try a google search for "change postfix port" |
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| 23:02.22 | Dragon-Eater | mysql-standard-4.1.12-pc-linux-gnu-i686.tar.gz |
| 23:02.34 | abrotman | that's not a debian package |
| 23:02.35 | stew | Dragon-Eater: why didn't you just apt-get it? |
| 23:02.41 | Dragon-Eater | i know |
| 23:02.41 | abrotman | stew: let me guess! |
| 23:02.43 | stew | Dragon-Eater: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:02.45 | Dragon-Eater | but apt-get failed :p |
| 23:02.47 | Dragon-Eater | rc2 |
| 23:02.50 | overflow | abrotman, shingouz everytime that I add the -t root/dir/ option to /etc/default/bind9 this don't start |
| 23:02.57 | Dragon-Eater | i dont know |
| 23:03.03 | Dragon-Eater | all i know is that its debian :D |
| 23:03.27 | Dragon-Eater | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 23:03.30 | Dragon-Eater | this one i used |
| 23:03.39 | Dragon-Eater | maybe that will tell ya something |
| 23:03.44 | abrotman | what's that image have to do with you screwing up mysql ? |
| 23:03.47 | stew | Dragon-Eater: we could have helped you with the apt-get failing part, but not with the stuff you installed |
| 23:03.49 | shingouz | overflow: i have to confess i have no idea how to fix it, i do not have a bind9 install here at all and i have not played with them so far |
| 23:03.59 | Dragon-Eater | so basicly |
| 23:04.01 | Dragon-Eater | i can better |
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| 23:04.05 | Dragon-Eater | Reinstall the mess |
| 23:04.12 | stochastic | is anyone in here familiar with setting up alsa? |
| 23:04.13 | abrotman | overflow: i thought there was a bind9 package that chroots by default |
| 23:04.22 | Dragon-Eater | however i got it running tough :p |
| 23:04.23 | abrotman | alsa sucks .. use olsa |
| 23:04.28 | Dragon-Eater | only i got a problem with the client |
| 23:04.33 | stew | !wikifaq stochastic UseSoundCard |
| 23:04.34 | dpkg | stochastic: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:04.36 | overflow | abrotman, the woody does |
| 23:04.52 | Dragon-Eater | Warning: mysql_connect(): Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client in /var/www/binnenhof/enter/inc/database.php on line 11 |
| 23:04.55 | Dragon-Eater | this is what i hate |
| 23:05.11 | stew | Dragon-Eater: we can't help you with your non-debian install of mysql |
| 23:05.12 | Dragon-Eater | that means i have to change 99% of sources |
| 23:05.24 | abrotman | overflow: rm .. ok |
| 23:05.25 | Dragon-Eater | stew its now running on mysql-server-4.1 |
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| 23:05.27 | pusling | Dragon-Eater: why don't you use thed client from debian ? |
| 23:05.37 | abrotman | oh .. i know .. don't use mysql :) |
| 23:05.40 | Dragon-Eater | got that trough apt-get |
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| 23:06.00 | mhall | Alright, I have some static library .a files for SPARC. Some are 64-bit and some are 32-bit. How do I distinguish them? file just calls them 'current ar archive' |
| 23:06.04 | abrotman | totally ignore me .. i was a donkey in a former life |
| 23:06.11 | nuggzi | is there an mp3 encoder available? |
| 23:06.15 | abrotman | mhall: wrong channel ? |
| 23:06.21 | Dragon-Eater | but stew |
| 23:06.22 | abrotman | !lame |
| 23:06.22 | dpkg | i heard lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
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| 23:06.28 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 23:06.29 | mhall | abrotman: SPARC is supported in Debian. |
| 23:06.35 | *** kick/#debian [mhall!foobar@p5481FF1E.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (go away) |
| 23:06.36 | James_Ward | What package contains network-admin? |
| 23:06.41 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:07.00 | ChinaCatJones | I just had to reinstall my system, and now I am having all sorts of little problems after restoring from my backup, is there some step I missed? |
| 23:07.02 | caphuso | this dumbfuck is unbelievably stupid |
| 23:07.04 | pusling | James_Ward: apt-cache search network-admin ? or apt-file search ... |
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| 23:07.08 | abrotman | !tell James_Ward about search |
| 23:07.17 | abrotman | caphuso: he'll just come back :) |
| 23:07.18 | Dragon-Eater | caphuso try: +b :) |
| 23:07.23 | stew | Dragon-Eater: why did you install a glibc2.2 static version? |
| 23:07.23 | Dragon-Eater | or +q |
| 23:07.26 | James_Ward | jeward@omnibook:~/madwifi$ apt-cache search network-admin |
| 23:07.26 | James_Ward | Returns nothing. |
| 23:07.26 | caphuso | abrotman: he always does |
| 23:07.30 | nuggzi | thanks for the lame hint |
| 23:07.33 | Dragon-Eater | stew |
| 23:07.36 | abrotman | caphuso: in his defense .. he didn't say solaris or linux :) |
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| 23:07.41 | Dragon-Eater | first i tried mysql |
| 23:07.46 | Dragon-Eater | then i figured |
| 23:07.48 | abrotman | stew |
| 23:07.50 | caphuso | abrotman: doesn't matter. he never asks on topic questions |
| 23:07.53 | abrotman | i think you're cute |
| 23:07.54 | Dragon-Eater | i had to get the stupid mysql-server |
| 23:07.55 | abrotman | can we go on a date |
| 23:07.56 | lewis | how do I configure exim to not create any 'failed delivery' messages? |
| 23:07.56 | James_Ward | bash: apt-file: command not found |
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| 23:08.02 | abrotman | caphuso: you noticed ? |
| 23:08.05 | caphuso | and if he accidentally did now, then i still don't give a shit |
| 23:08.08 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:08.08 | Dragon-Eater | anyway |
| 23:08.08 | lewis | (or pipe them to null)? |
| 23:08.09 | stew | Dragon-Eater: forget it *plonk* |
| 23:08.13 | pusling | James_Ward: apt-get install apt-file |
| 23:08.15 | Dragon-Eater | i guess im going to |
| 23:08.16 | jair | how could I compile my kernel to add the " Activate support for Advanced Power Management (APM)" (e.g # Advanced Power Management BIOS support: Yes |
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| 23:08.21 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: reinstall the whole thing .. then ask us how to install mysql |
| 23:08.22 | Dragon-Eater | reinstall it again |
| 23:08.28 | pusling | James_Ward: $ apt-file search network-admin |
| 23:08.29 | pusling | gnome-system-tools: usr/bin/network-admin |
| 23:08.29 | difeta | I have a Linux server that acts as a router. I have port forwarding setup so that port 80 on the router is forwarded to 80 on my internal server. All the entries in my internal server's logs say that the client ip address is the ip address of my router. How can I make it so my router does not change the clinent ip address? |
| 23:08.34 | Dragon-Eater | abrotman lol i was planning on doing that already :P |
| 23:08.36 | abrotman | jair: should already be there |
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| 23:08.39 | Dragon-Eater | btw wich kernel is best? |
| 23:08.44 | James_Ward | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 23:08.48 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: BEST for what ? |
| 23:08.52 | stew | !installit |
| 23:08.52 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 23:08.57 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 23:08.58 | Dragon-Eater | for as Server... |
| 23:08.58 | jair | I am I have to change abrotman it is there but appear "not set" |
| 23:09.03 | pusling | James_Ward: apt-get install apt-file |
| 23:09.12 | abrotman | you're going to change me ? |
| 23:09.19 | Dragon-Eater | whats most stable/reliable/best etc |
| 23:09.22 | jair | abrotman: everything on apm appear "not set" |
| 23:09.25 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: depends on your needs |
| 23:09.32 | Dragon-Eater | apt-get install female |
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| 23:09.38 | airox | Yeah, let us change abrotman :) |
| 23:09.39 | abrotman | jair: apt-get install apmd ? |
| 23:09.39 | difeta | Dragon-Eater the 2.2 kernel is the most stable. |
| 23:09.46 | abrotman | 2.0! |
| 23:09.47 | jair | abrotman: I did that |
| 23:09.51 | pusling | 1.2 |
| 23:09.51 | pusling | ! |
| 23:09.54 | Dragon-Eater | but is it better difeta :p |
| 23:09.54 | abrotman | jair: how old is your machine ? |
| 23:09.56 | nuggzi | 1.2.13 baby |
| 23:10.06 | jair | abrotman: it is a new R51 IBM laptop |
| 23:10.12 | difeta | Dragon-Eater not in my opinion, I like 2.6 |
| 23:10.15 | Dragon-Eater | Wo would recommend the 2.2 kernel and who 2.6? |
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| 23:10.20 | abrotman | jair: apm won't work .. you need apcid |
| 23:10.30 | abrotman | Dragon-Eater: what kind of machine ? |
| 23:10.31 | Dragon-Eater | its 1 for 2.6 | 0 for 2.2 |
| 23:10.36 | Dragon-Eater | Amd 2200+ |
| 23:10.38 | Dragon-Eater | ahtlon |
| 23:10.43 | pusling | 2.6 ++ |
| 23:10.45 | Dragon-Eater | asus motherboard |
| 23:10.55 | abrotman | 2.6 |
| 23:10.56 | crOOked | and why not 2.4? |
| 23:10.56 | Dragon-Eater | 512 ram |
| 23:10.57 | caphuso | Dragon-Eater: 2.2 is dead. don't use |
| 23:10.59 | abrotman | 2.6 |
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| 23:11.05 | abrotman | caphuso: not dead dead is it ? |
| 23:11.23 | Dragon-Eater | its 3 for 2.6 | -1 for 2.2 |
| 23:11.25 | jair | abrotman: I am trying to install apm or enable apm because the fu$#%^ acpid do not turn off my computer, it leaves it on the fan, battery and the wireless even with not power connected. |
| 23:11.48 | abrotman | jair: trust me .. apm will not work .. it didn't even work when it was supposed to :) |
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| 23:12.09 | jair | abrotman: I really want to test it |
| 23:12.21 | abrotman | jair: apt-get install apm;apt-get --purge remove acpid |
| 23:12.24 | abrotman | err |
| 23:12.27 | abrotman | jair: apt-get install apmd;apt-get --purge remove acpid |
| 23:12.39 | abrotman | jair: but i would bet my mother's virginity that it won't work |
| 23:12.47 | fuag | anyonw know how to switch over to the testing packages? |
| 23:12.49 | jair | abrotman: all I need to know if how to change the freaking setting on the /boot/config-2.6.8.... |
| 23:12.50 | fuag | right now I'm on stable |
| 23:12.58 | Dragon-Eater | u know what |
| 23:13.05 | Dragon-Eater | can i install the old |
| 23:13.05 | Dragon-Eater | 3.2? |
| 23:13.09 | Dragon-Eater | mysql version |
| 23:13.10 | abrotman | !tell Dragon-Eater about u |
| 23:13.13 | jair | abrotman: haha |
| 23:13.19 | Dragon-Eater | or is it no longer apt-getable :p |
| 23:13.19 | abrotman | !tell fuag about woody->sarge |
| 23:13.21 | pusling | fuag: sed -i 's/stable/testing/' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:13.31 | abrotman | jair: change the setting ? |
| 23:13.36 | jair | yes |
| 23:13.38 | Dragon-Eater | !tell abrotman about pr0n |
| 23:13.39 | abrotman | pusling: /g ? |
| 23:13.45 | jair | abrotman: I will paste the settings for you |
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| 23:13.50 | Dragon-Eater | rofl |
| 23:13.55 | pusling | abrotman: mayde /g too ;) |
| 23:14.17 | Dragon-Eater | http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ rofl |
| 23:14.21 | polm | I have duplicate entries for all of my Debian Menu items. How can I get rid of these ? |
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| 23:14.38 | pusling | abrotman: /g is probably not needed |
| 23:14.44 | sDES | does suspend to ram (S3 i think) work for anyone? I have an HP nx5000 notebook |
| 23:14.44 | polm | Or should I say, All of the items in my Debian sub-menu's have duplicate entries. |
| 23:14.52 | sDES | ? |
| 23:14.55 | Dragon-Eater | apt-get install porn-get |
| 23:15.06 | pusling | wee! new version of nano in unstable !!!1111 |
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| 23:15.17 | mhall | pusling: 1.3.7? |
| 23:15.29 | abrotman | pusling: for more than one line ? |
| 23:15.30 | mhall | pusling: I have a pretty good rc for it. |
| 23:15.48 | abrotman | polm: update-menus ? |
| 23:15.48 | pusling | mhall: I do not use nano ;) |
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| 23:15.58 | phogg | pusling: what could they possibly added to perfection? |
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| 23:16.06 | polm | abrotman: that doesn't seem to fix the probelm. |
| 23:16.23 | abrotman | polm: logout/in ? |
| 23:16.26 | pusling | phogg: perfection? where ? |
| 23:16.31 | phogg | pusling: nano |
| 23:16.42 | caphuso | phogg: bug #315199 |
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| 23:16.55 | pusling | phogg: is there vim-possibilities in nano ? ;) |
| 23:16.56 | SEXisWIHBUD | -_- |
| 23:17.05 | jair | abrotman: and the rest of the channel http://rafb.net/paste/results/HjJoxS97.html |
| 23:17.09 | phogg | caphuso: I am not familiar with that bug. I was trying to be rhetorical. |
| 23:17.15 | pusling | abrotman: /g is normally just do it as many times as possible on each line. |
| 23:17.17 | jair | this could be a solution for a lot of IBM laptop users |
| 23:17.18 | markl__ | ok i am having a problem determining what my root filesystem device is with this new RAID card - is there any way to pause the kernel messages to see what it is detecting before i get the kernel panic? |
| 23:17.30 | hiaslboy | sDES:I use software suspend with suspend to disk and shut down - works very well |
| 23:17.32 | jair | abrotman: that is how it is currently |
| 23:17.35 | abrotman | pusling: if you say so |
| 23:17.36 | markl__ | e.g. linux root=/dev/sdc4 | more |
| 23:17.37 | Dragon-Eater | stupidity |
| 23:17.38 | plorty | im trying to install debian sarge on a hp netserver ld pro, and i cannot get it to see the ethernet card, i know its a 3com 905-tx and i know what driver to use but it still doesnt want to see it |
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| 23:17.44 | abrotman | jair: it's a module .. use modconf to load it |
| 23:17.48 | caphuso | markl__: try ctrl-s, and ctrl-q to resume |
| 23:17.50 | jair | abrotman: I have to enable it you see that it say not set |
| 23:17.51 | hiaslboy | sDES: software suspend 2 (www.suspend2.net ) |
| 23:17.52 | nuggzi | thanks guys |
| 23:18.01 | plorty | i tried the ethernet card and the same net install debian cd in another computer and debian sees the ethernet card, but it doesnt want to see it in the hp netserver |
| 23:18.05 | Dragon-Eater-AFK | yeay |
| 23:18.06 | Dragon-Eater-AFK | it worked |
| 23:18.07 | shingouz | jair: which TP? |
| 23:18.08 | markl__ | caphuso: the messages fly by too fast |
| 23:18.10 | Dragon-Eater-AFK | night all |
| 23:18.12 | abrotman | jair: and if you don't like the way it was compiled .. you'll have to compile your own .. wait too much work |
| 23:18.15 | Dragon-Eater-AFK | night all |
| 23:18.15 | abrotman | err way too much |
| 23:18.17 | jair | abrotman: ok I already did the apt-get install apmd |
| 23:18.18 | sDES | I know about suspend to disk, how about suspend to RA>? |
| 23:18.30 | abrotman | jair: i'm really telling you apm won't work |
| 23:18.33 | abrotman | jair: which model again? |
| 23:18.34 | sDES | to RAM?Does suspend2 work for that? |
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| 23:18.45 | jair | abrotman: it is a R51 IBM |
| 23:18.51 | markl__ | caphuso: i'm just looking for a way to look at one page of kernel messages at a time as it is booting; is that not possible? |
| 23:18.57 | caphuso | markl__: don't think so |
| 23:19.00 | jair | abrotman: it is brand new though |
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| 23:19.12 | hiaslboy | sDES i think not because some grafic chips do not come back correctly |
| 23:19.20 | markl__ | too bad, that would be quite a handy feature |
| 23:19.23 | phogg | Mmm, R51... |
| 23:19.26 | shingouz | jair: ahh.. some newfangled stuff... you have been lucky to get such a nice new toy, i am envious :) |
| 23:19.30 | abrotman | jair: http://www.dw-itsecurity.de/content/view/33/83/ |
| 23:19.36 | sDES | pity.... |
| 23:19.40 | abrotman | jair: did you try linux-laptop.net .. not sure what your native language is |
| 23:19.45 | mhall | markl__: the problem is, at the kernel level, printing error messages is complicated |
| 23:19.49 | hiaslboy | sDES: but it is configurable in which state you ant to end up |
| 23:20.04 | mhall | markl__: what happens if there's an error in the error printer |
| 23:20.08 | markl__ | mhall: yeah, if it were trivial someone would have done it by now |
| 23:20.10 | mhall | markl__: say the page buffer overflows |
| 23:20.23 | Ugly_Duck | how do i make firefox my default browser, so no matter where i click whether its licq or kmail the urls are opened by firefox? |
| 23:20.24 | jair | abrotman: yes I did try that the language is not the issue, I am understanding english so far |
| 23:20.34 | mhall | markl__: then the whole kernel crashes on boot (bad) |
| 23:20.38 | abrotman | jair: did you try that page ? |
| 23:20.48 | jair | I am reading it |
| 23:20.50 | hiaslboy | sDES it takes me 15 seconds to tur of my notebook with it and start about the same. 35 seconds with bigger - Ram notebooks ... but still really fast :-) |
| 23:21.03 | mhall | markl__: i had this problem recently when writing a multithreaded app that logged messages |
| 23:21.05 | sDES | I'll look into suspend2, thanks |
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| 23:21.15 | mhall | markl__: i have to lock stderr to write a message then unlock it |
| 23:21.30 | mhall | markl__: but what if something freezes while it's got the lock |
| 23:21.36 | mhall | markl__: bad stuff |
| 23:21.42 | mhall | markl__: very bad stuff |
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| 23:21.59 | Christopher- | How do you create a super user? I tried to install a package but it said I needed to be a super user to install it |
| 23:22.09 | abrotman | Christopher-: what package ? |
| 23:22.14 | ethics | polm what did you change to get extra entries? gnome maybee? |
| 23:22.16 | abrotman | !fundamentals |
| 23:22.16 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 23:22.20 | DrPete | What do you guys think of these VPS servers, I have never used one before, I thought it would be handy to run a mail server and a few domains, and its cheaper then a dedicated server. Anyone know a good debian company? |
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| 23:22.51 | jair | abrotman: and the rest of the channel this is how the acpi is configured by default on the IBM r51 laptop when I install sarge. and in the directory /boot/config-2.6.8.... is this http://rafb.net/paste/results/qLAi1f73.html |
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| 23:23.08 | James_Ward | Does network-admin need iwconfig and friends to work? |
| 23:23.14 | abrotman | jair: right .. and it doesn't work? .. which kenrel .. uname -a |
| 23:23.26 | Christopher- | It's the drivers that I found on the ati website, a .run file |
| 23:23.38 | jair | 2.6.8-2-i686 |
| 23:23.48 | mbirkis | do i have to reinstall debian sarge? if i installed it before the final release? or will a simple update do the trick? |
| 23:24.00 | pusling | mbirkis: update |
| 23:24.04 | mbirkis | pusling: thnx |
| 23:24.08 | jair | that crap do not want to turn off the battery, fan and wireless, just stay hang |
| 23:24.16 | stew | Christopher-: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 23:24.19 | pusling | mbirkis: debian is only needed to be installed once pr PC. |
| 23:24.22 | shingouz | mbirkis: apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, should take care of it |
| 23:24.28 | ethics | mbirkis: make sure you change your sources to sarge if you want to stay on sarge.... |
| 23:24.31 | James_Ward | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.32 | abrotman | jair: i have a Thinkpad .. it turns off all my stuff |
| 23:24.36 | hexxeh | Christopher-, google for "ati flavio", unless you want to get in a bad situation a few weeks down the line |
| 23:24.43 | jair | abrotman: but I am 99% sure that it is a solution for it |
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| 23:24.54 | jair | what model is your? |
| 23:24.59 | Christopher- | I'm not sure how to run the .deb files? |
| 23:25.05 | mbirkis | ethics: change sources? isn't it the same sources i used always? onlu now they have been stable? |
| 23:25.20 | abrotman | jair: APM is not a solution for your laptop .. APM hasn't been actively used in much of anything for .. what .. 8 years? |
| 23:25.21 | jair | abrotman: what model is your ibm? because probably I have some kind of ghost on my... |
| 23:25.31 | MobyTurbo | Christopher-: as root (super-user) type dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 23:25.35 | abrotman | jair: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Power_Management |
| 23:25.39 | abrotman | !apm is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Power_Management |
| 23:25.40 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 23:25.52 | ethics | theres some patches to apm/acpi in the newest kernel source which was about resume things also |
| 23:26.01 | Christopher- | When I tried to log in as root it said 'you cannot log in as root at this screen' |
| 23:26.12 | Christopher- | (the login screen in gnome) |
| 23:26.20 | stew | Christopher-: use su / sudo |
| 23:26.21 | ethics | Christopher-log in as a user then sudo ro su to root |
| 23:26.24 | MobyTurbo | Christopher-: use su, not logging in as root |
| 23:26.25 | jair | abrotman: but I have to try something because it is not working the ACPI is not working. |
| 23:26.32 | hexxeh | Christopher-, you don't log into your dekstop environment as root. you log in as a regular user, open a terminal, and switch to the root user with "su" |
| 23:26.43 | hexxeh | Christopher-, which version of debian is this? |
| 23:26.45 | BlueShift | Christopher-: gdm by default doesn't allow root to login. |
| 23:26.46 | mbirkis | ethics: change sources? isn't it the same sources i used always? onlu now they have been stable? |
| 23:26.54 | shingouz | Christopher-: first of all, /msg dpkg ati drivers. then man su in a terminal |
| 23:26.56 | abrotman | jair: APM IS NOT THE ANSWER |
| 23:26.58 | jair | forget it, i will continue reading on google, and send emails to the debian group |
| 23:27.07 | abrotman | hexxeh: seen a recent machine using APM ? |
| 23:27.08 | jair | peace off |
| 23:27.08 | Christopher- | It's Sarge, I did a web install last night |
| 23:27.14 | hexxeh | abrotman, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 23:27.23 | abrotman | jair: see |
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| 23:27.29 | abrotman | jair: hexxeh agrees :) |
| 23:27.32 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:27.38 | hexxeh | abrotman, you offended him away |
| 23:27.47 | Christopher- | thanks |
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| 23:28.08 | BlueShift | Christopher-: gdmsetup has an option where you can allow root to login to X. there's a reason why it's not allowed by default though. |
| 23:28.25 | shingouz | mbirkis: just check that your /etc/apt/sources.list does not point to "testing" but either "sarge" or "stable". if not, make it so. apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 23:28.26 | abrotman | hexxeh: i'm crushed |
| 23:28.48 | mbirkis | thnx shingouz |
| 23:28.50 | Christopher- | also, is there a way to make it so I can view my ntfs/fat32 partitions? I was able to in suse but I never got into it really |
| 23:29.10 | hexxeh | abrotman, go make me a decent 2.6.12 kernel-image for k8 |
| 23:29.10 | MobyTurbo | Christopher-: mount them |
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| 23:29.20 | BlueShift | Christopher-: mount them and/or add them to your fstab |
| 23:29.23 | abrotman | hexxeh: define decent |
| 23:29.30 | James_Ward | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.44 | Christopher- | How would I go about mounting them? mount hda1? |
| 23:29.56 | MobyTurbo | Christopher-: man mount |
| 23:30.08 | pusling | James_Ward: isn't network-admin just a fancy frontend for i[wf]config ? |
| 23:30.11 | Dragon-Eater-AFK | L1M8U|2653 C4|2n4v4L 15 8373|2 |}4n 3LK3 4n|}3|23 C4|2n4v4L 0p z1jn L33757 |
| 23:30.15 | Dragon-Eater-AFK | woops |
| 23:30.35 | ethics | abrotman: the new kernel has new wersions of some K stuff....acpi/apm stuff is 1.4 version now i think....changelog has info |
| 23:30.40 | James_Ward | pusling, I am thinking so. |
| 23:30.52 | hexxeh | abrotman, a working powernow-k8 would be good. a vesafb which likes pci express geforece 6800s would also be funky./ |
| 23:30.55 | abrotman | Ether_Man_: some k stuff? |
| 23:31.14 | dan2 | abrotman: hey |
| 23:31.23 | Christopher- | thanks for the help, I'm gonna go try to get this stuff working :) I appreciate all the support |
| 23:31.28 | abrotman | dan2: i found a warm snickers in my pants |
| 23:31.29 | ethics | abrotman: yeah k7/k8 updates |
| 23:31.42 | mbirkis | shingouz: i done it now... any way to check that it is correct? |
| 23:31.43 | abrotman | ethics: oh .. i thought oyu meant like special k :) |
| 23:31.53 | hexxeh | how does one update k7? it's extinct |
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| 23:32.05 | hexxeh | abrotman, whatever happened to regular k? |
| 23:32.16 | stew | James_Ward: man 5 interfaces ; man wireless |
| 23:32.23 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm trying to figure out if j2ee has any value to any of the work I do |
| 23:32.27 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm thinking no |
| 23:32.34 | James_Ward | stew, installing wireless-tools |
| 23:32.38 | abrotman | dan2: compared to ? |
| 23:32.50 | abrotman | hexxeh: got Killed ? |
| 23:32.50 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm just trying to understand it |
| 23:33.00 | hexxeh | maybe it was K-lined |
| 23:33.17 | Christopher- | so if the package is called atidriver.deb I do 'dpkg -i atidriver.deb' |
| 23:33.25 | dan2 | abrotman: it might be useful in the next application I'm designing... a conferencing server |
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| 23:33.56 | MobyTurbo | Christopher-: yes |
| 23:33.59 | abrotman | dan2: it can't hurt .. will the differences help you? |
| 23:34.07 | Christopher- | here goes nothing |
| 23:34.18 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm just trying to figure out what benefit I get out of it |
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| 23:34.35 | hexxeh | Christopher-, if you follow what is written on flavio stanchina's site to the letter, you'll be fine. |
| 23:34.49 | dan2 | abrotman: what I'm seeing is that EJBs might be really useful as far as managing user logins, names, ips etc. |
| 23:34.51 | abrotman | dan2: honestly ... i'd ask ricky_clarkson |
| 23:34.53 | ecobit | is there any way to make a relative link with ln without knowing what directory the command will be run from? |
| 23:34.57 | dan2 | abrotman: as well, it would provide a sane management infrastructure |
| 23:35.01 | abrotman | or some other more java-ey person than myself |
| 23:35.01 | dan2 | abrotman: other than that, no clue |
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| 23:35.43 | abrotman | dan2: that alone sounds like a good reason |
| 23:36.55 | shingouz | mbirkis: you could paste your sources.list into #flood if you really want someone to check it. or use paster (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 23:37.22 | stew | ecobit: yes, you will find many such links in /usr/bin/ |
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| 23:37.55 | dan2 | abrotman: the biggest benefit would maybe allow me to cache information |
| 23:37.58 | ecobit | stew: i did not ask about the existence of relative links, or whether they are possible. |
| 23:38.02 | mbirkis | shingouz: i am sure i got the file correct... i was just wondering if there was some check i could do to make sure the sarge update was correct? |
| 23:38.13 | dan2 | abrotman: for instance, if you go on a conference call, sometimes its setup so you can hear everybodies name etc |
| 23:38.23 | pusling | mbirkis: if apt-get upgrade fails ,) |
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| 23:38.30 | dan2 | abrotman: what if you would like to have the server remember the names when typing in a pincode or calling from a certain phone |
| 23:38.44 | shingouz | mbirkis: as pusling said. apt tells you if something is wrong |
| 23:38.47 | abrotman | dan2: like session info :) |
| 23:38.52 | dan2 | bullseye |
| 23:39.03 | HanClinto | Wierd. I've never seen this before, and now I can't get rid of it. I'm installing Debian and I keep getting Grub error 18 |
| 23:39.05 | dan2 | abrotman: another structure would be call itself |
| 23:39.28 | abrotman | dan2: i like sessions .. fun stuff |
| 23:39.29 | stew | ecobit: i'm saying that all the relative links in /usr/bin are links that are created with ln withouth knowing what directory the command will be run from |
| 23:39.30 | dan2 | abrotman: is it a reservationless/dynamic call? is it a planned call? |
| 23:39.39 | HanClinto | (after I install, it tries to boot to the new install, and then it gives me the error). Debian-Testing, Net install, Athlon 333, 3 gigs, 196 mb ram |
| 23:39.44 | mbirkis | shingouz: ok... then all is ok then... :) thnx |
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| 23:40.00 | abrotman | dan2: isn't that your call ? |
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| 23:40.16 | ecobit | stew: oh. i meant without knowing what directory the ln command will be run from, not the link itself |
| 23:40.33 | HanClinto | I'll try installing Lilo instead of Grub this time. I've installed Debian three times now and it's done it every single time. |
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| 23:40.50 | shingouz | mbirkis: you should do the update/upgrade thingie from time to time just to keep the system updated |
| 23:40.54 | pusling | HanClinto: install lilo and remove grub afterwards |
| 23:41.01 | doojin | I installed nvidia driver |
| 23:41.03 | mbirkis | shingouz: ok |
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| 23:41.53 | pusling | HanClinto: but check your lilo.conf and be sure what you are doing - or have a knoppix-cd ready |
| 23:42.06 | pusling | or best: both ;) |
| 23:42.06 | stew | ecobit: try this: ln -s ../foo /tmp/bar ; ls -l /tmp/bar |
| 23:42.31 | HanClinto | Pusling: Hrm. I went back into the install disc, and now I'm trying install the LILO boot loader, but it's telling me I need to reformat it before I can install the boot loader. *sigh*. I guess I'll just totally reinstall -- it doesn't take that long. |
| 23:42.42 | stew | ecobit: i believe that does what you are asking |
| 23:42.46 | ecobit | stew, the problem is ../ is relative to CWD if i do not know in advance what the CWD from which the script will run, it won't work, will it? |
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| 23:43.35 | solomonn | anyone happen to know of an easy way of filtering out all characters in the file and directory names in a tree that would need to be escaped in sh? |
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| 23:43.53 | pusling | HanClinto: I install grub in the installation and then boot and apt-get install lilo; vim /etc/lilo.conf; lilo; reboot |
| 23:44.09 | HanClinto | pusling: I don't even get that far |
| 23:44.24 | pusling | HanClinto: can't you boot first time on grub =? |
| 23:44.38 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:44.39 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 23:44.40 | HanClinto | pusling: I install, then eject the CD and reboot, and on my first attempt at booting from grub, it gives me Grub Error 18 |
| 23:44.49 | HanClinto | No prompt, no nothing. |
| 23:45.16 | pusling | HanClinto: okay. I do not know grub. |
| 23:45.56 | kbrooks | i have a question |
| 23:45.58 | stew | ecobit: it seems to do what you want. i just did ln -s ../usr/bin/X11/xeyes /tmp/foo ; cd /home/stew ; /tmp/foo ; and got xeyes |
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| 23:48.29 | stew | ecobit: you work with morgan? |
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| 23:49.38 | ecobit | stew? |
| 23:49.45 | ecobit | yeah |
| 23:51.21 | MobyTurbo | stew: "/home/stew" is unneded, just plain "cd" changes to your home directory |
| 23:51.28 | MobyTurbo | *unneeded |
| 23:52.45 | stew | MobyTurbo: i know, did it verbatum for clarity |
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| 23:53.02 | MobyTurbo | stew: OK. :-) |
| 23:53.16 | abrotman | poke him in the eye! |
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| 23:58.47 | kbrooks | i have a question |
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| 23:59.13 | MFen | how do i get dpkg -l to not truncate the names of packages? |
| 23:59.26 | caphuso | MFen: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |
| 23:59.32 | capu | Guys - I'm trying to use Mplayer to play a media file, but it's saying there's no XVideo support for my card available? How do I fix that problem? |
| 23:59.38 | MFen | caphuso: much obliged |
