| 00:00.21 | directhex | spammers are like nettles. kill one, two grow in their place |
| 00:00.23 | catalyst4000` | asker: if all you want is file names try: ls -l | awk {'print $8'} |
| 00:00.27 | directhex | or was that tentacle-monsters |
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| 00:00.55 | Guerin | directhex: bamboo |
| 00:00.59 | Guerin | directhex: fittingly |
| 00:01.05 | error403 | gravity quit |
| 00:01.06 | shingouz | chtuhulian in anycase |
| 00:01.09 | error403 | oh no! |
| 00:01.22 | directhex | kill cthulu and 2 replace him? |
| 00:01.28 | directhex | how do you even kill cthulu? |
| 00:01.43 | shingouz | no. the spammers have something like chtulu. they are evil |
| 00:01.51 | shingouz | maybe they just spawn |
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| 00:01.58 | error403 | heh |
| 00:02.08 | error403 | respawning spammers... |
| 00:02.09 | Newp1 | hi can someone help me out..my syslog is showing this... http://pastebin.ca/index.php i tryed a doing 'rmmod -f parport' and my system froze |
| 00:02.10 | error403 | >.< |
| 00:02.27 | directhex | you can't spawn-camp spammers |
| 00:02.31 | directhex | even with a flak cannon |
| 00:02.44 | shingouz | heh |
| 00:02.56 | jasoncohen | on my laptop i don't have a debian menu in KDE but i do have a debian menu in gnome. am i missing a package i need? |
| 00:03.15 | Guerin | bah, if I have a flakey network that I don't have any real control over, what can I do as a client to mitigate the flakiness? |
| 00:03.23 | challenged | jasoncohen, menu is the program that handles it.....hehe see told ya gnome 2.10 is bugged |
| 00:03.27 | Guerin | change MTU or use a slower link or something? |
| 00:03.49 | shingouz | lower the MTU works sometimes with flaky links |
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| 00:03.58 | jasoncohen | challenged, no- it WORKS in gnome- but it doesn't in KDE |
| 00:04.09 | shingouz | Guerin: i have had to play with it occasionally with gprs connections |
| 00:04.35 | jasoncohen | menu is installed. i ran update-menus but it didn't fix it |
| 00:04.52 | Newp1 | errrr http://pastebin.ca/15703 i mean :) |
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| 00:05.21 | Guerin | shingouz: MTU=1500 is sane for a FD100 connection, eh? What should I lower it to? |
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| 00:05.41 | challenged | jasoncohen, true it may be unrelated but considering menu and gnome 2.10 has screwed up consistantly for me i think i may go up to unstables menu version and see if that helps.. |
| 00:05.49 | shingouz | Guerin: i have gone down to something like 1200 on occasion iirc |
| 00:06.09 | jasoncohen | challenged, i already have it |
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| 00:06.26 | Guerin | shingouz: alright, I'll just mess about a bit. |
| 00:06.37 | jasoncohen | actually, sarge has the same menu version as sid |
| 00:06.37 | shingouz | it is a bit messy, taht is true |
| 00:06.43 | challenged | jasoncohen, hmm well that may fix my doubles...yours does sound somewhat different... |
| 00:07.14 | challenged | jasoncohen, bah then it would be useless hehe |
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| 00:07.45 | challenged | jasoncohen, your still on etch KDE version? |
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| 00:08.02 | jasoncohen | ah, nevermind- sid's menu is 2.1.25 which is what i have |
| 00:08.16 | zak | can someone explain what GRUB's map (hdx) (hdy) actually does? |
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| 00:08.19 | jasoncohen | well, considering that etch and sid have the same KDE, yes |
| 00:08.49 | challenged | zak: bluffs the system on boot so windows doesn't barf |
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| 00:09.22 | zak | challenged: does it make any permanent change? |
| 00:09.37 | zak | challenged: basically should i use it with caution |
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| 00:09.52 | challenged | zak: nah |
| 00:10.01 | zak | thanks challenged |
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| 00:10.10 | challenged | zak: go nuts grub doesnt get fooled by iot's own map only the OS |
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| 00:10.55 | challenged | zak trying to get windows to boot from drive 2? |
| 00:10.59 | ttick | shingouz: okay, I've finally rebooted my machine and need to get the sound driver to work. I have the correct mobprobe line that if I reboot and login root, then run this line, I get sound working perfectly. But I just tried to add the mobprobe line to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh and I get sound, but it just repeats the same 2-second clip over and over again. :/ Any suggestions? |
| 00:11.19 | jasoncohen | challenged, huh, my root KDE menu apparently has debian- but not my user |
| 00:11.24 | zak | challenged: yeah |
| 00:12.21 | shingouz | ttick: thinkpad? |
| 00:12.26 | ttick | shingouz: yep |
| 00:12.30 | shingouz | 600? |
| 00:12.46 | challenged | jasoncohen, hmm thats cute.....in your home theres a menu section you can add stuff to but normally all the links are in /usr/lib/menu somewhere i believe |
| 00:12.52 | ttick | shingouz: I know you help many people -- you're the one that gave me the modprobe a while ago. 560z |
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| 00:13.09 | shingouz | ttick: use the same one for the 600 |
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| 00:13.16 | ttick | shingouz: the mobprobe works fine if I enter it myself as root, just not if I put it in bootmisc.sh for some reason. |
| 00:13.33 | challenged | jasoncohen, out of curiosity more than anything in gnome 2.10 is debian in amongst your normal gnome menus or is it at the bottom of the list? |
| 00:14.05 | shingouz | ttick: put the script into /etc/init.d and update-rc.d it to start at least in runlevel 2 *after* pcmcia has come up |
| 00:14.07 | directhex | ttick, if you wanted to load modules on boot, you could have said |
| 00:14.28 | ttick | directhex: sorry, didn't know it made a difference. o_O |
| 00:14.31 | directhex | ttick, add the module names to /etc/modules |
| 00:14.41 | dondelelcaro | ttick: you shouldn't need to screw around with bootmisc or modprobe. Just add it to /etc/modules with the appropriate command line |
| 00:14.45 | shingouz | directhex: tp600 with alsa is a "bit" tricky occasionally |
| 00:14.58 | exobyte | I have and old school external serial port modem. What happens if I get an parallel-serial adapter? Will it work? |
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| 00:15.03 | Newp1 | can anyone tell me how to find out what is trying to write to my parport ever 30 seconds and failing with this... "parport0: FIFO is stuck" |
| 00:15.23 | jasoncohen | challenged, it's at the top- the same place it is in my KDE root menu |
| 00:15.24 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: if you set up the parallel port to behave as if it were a serial port, possibly. |
| 00:15.36 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: but it's really not worth the effort |
| 00:15.41 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: uhh |
| 00:15.42 | shingouz | dondelelcaro: directhex: even IBM tells to set up the sound after the pcmcia or the sound will be either looping or too quiet |
| 00:15.49 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: it's that hard?! |
| 00:15.56 | ttick | shingouz: okay, I'll look into update-rc.d to figure out how to use it. |
| 00:16.02 | directhex | shingouz, how very retarded |
| 00:16.03 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: a parallel port is totally different from a serial port |
| 00:16.04 | Eno_ | i think kcontrol is making my xterm's background white... is that possible? |
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| 00:16.36 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: hmm.. now I'm considering either a usb modem or a usb serial port |
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| 00:16.43 | shingouz | directhex: not my fault. the sound works 100% if configured like IBM tells it to be configured though |
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| 00:16.59 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: ew. If you can get a real live serial modem and a real live serial port, so much the better. |
| 00:17.23 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: if you have to use a usb modem, you'll have to check on google to see which ones are supported by the kernel. I haven't kept track of that recently |
| 00:17.43 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: yeah, but this is in a somewhat imbedded enviornment. finding a system with parrallel and usb was hard enough |
| 00:18.01 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: ah |
| 00:18.04 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: right, even though they're all SUPPOSED to be compliant with the usb spec |
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| 00:18.18 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: think normal router, but with dialup |
| 00:18.22 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: and don't laugh |
| 00:18.25 | challenged | jasoncohen, intresting 2.08 had it seperate in mine i couldnt use add to panel launce to brows it ...2.10 i can so gnome sees it as its own...maybe the dupes come from that..... more looking tonight .. |
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| 00:18.27 | trave11er | exobyte: usb-serial converters work reasonably well |
| 00:18.29 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: nothing wrong with that |
| 00:18.45 | trave11er | i have usb->serial->null-modem->serial console setup |
| 00:19.17 | exobyte | trave11er: lol. it works once the os boots up too, right? |
| 00:19.33 | exobyte | trave11er: better or worse than a usb modem? |
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| 00:19.55 | trave11er | exobyte: eh? i use it to access the serial console of other machine from my laptop, which does not have any serial ports |
| 00:20.31 | exobyte | trave11er: I meant if you think the usb serial port is a good idea |
| 00:20.48 | exobyte | trave11er: I assume most of those are supported |
| 00:21.22 | trave11er | exobyte: i would think that usb->serial converter with a "normal" serial modem has more chances to work than a pure usb modem |
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| 00:21.55 | exobyte | trave11er: it's an old us robotics modem that I've gotten to work in linux before |
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| 00:22.16 | error403 | !fuck dpkg |
| 00:22.21 | error403 | ... |
| 00:22.40 | exobyte | dpkg is nasty, but some people like that shit |
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| 00:22.43 | trave11er | exobyte: all the manufacturers are basically using a very limited set of usb->serial converter chips, for example pl2303 like i have |
| 00:22.51 | trave11er | to make these dongles |
| 00:22.54 | challenged | im starting to get really sick of intel sata.... |
| 00:23.04 | trave11er | with usb modems you need a driver for each of them |
| 00:23.12 | error403 | im getting sick of Promise SATA |
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| 00:23.25 | error403 | if you wanna install windows, you NEED a floppy drive.. |
| 00:23.38 | exobyte | trave11er: right.. |
| 00:23.58 | challenged | i can't believe to only fix for piix clashes atm is to compile them into kernel. |
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| 00:24.34 | trave11er | challenged: was it fixed in 2.6.11? |
| 00:25.23 | challenged | traveller nope....i think its a debain issue.....hwinfo code for discover or something i read in BTS |
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| 00:25.51 | trave11er | challenged: if discover loads the unwanted modules, you can blacklist them |
| 00:26.18 | challenged | traveller: but i cant blacklist my boot device.... |
| 00:26.53 | challenged | traveller: using initrd it loads sata before piix and piix never works... |
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| 00:27.06 | trave11er | challenged: do you know the correct order? |
| 00:27.19 | trave11er | challenged: or some module should not be loaded or something? |
| 00:27.37 | trave11er | it is probably possible to exclude a module from initrd |
| 00:27.50 | challenged | traveller: yeah all it needs is ide loaded beve libata drivers |
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| 00:28.07 | glick | scuse me does anyone here use serendipity? |
| 00:28.16 | dondelelcaro | glick: just ask your question |
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| 00:28.50 | glick | well i edited all my php.ini files so they would be in complience with the install recommendations but in the recommendations website its status does not chafe |
| 00:28.52 | glick | change |
| 00:29.23 | dondelelcaro | glick: status in what way? what does it say you're missing? |
| 00:29.41 | trave11er | challenged: ok, can you do the following: |
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| 00:29.56 | trave11er | challenged: mount your initrd, and look at the /loadmodules file there |
| 00:30.07 | trave11er | challenged: that's where ide modules are loaded |
| 00:30.28 | glick | ost_max_size 10M 8M |
| 00:30.28 | glick | upload_max_filesize 10M 2M |
| 00:30.30 | glick | for example |
| 00:30.39 | glick | one is recommended and one is actual |
| 00:30.46 | trave11er | challenged: post this file somewhere and tell me how it should look (what order) for your stuff to work |
| 00:30.47 | glick | i changed all my php.ini file |
| 00:30.49 | cat-dog | can debian play audio and video at the same time?i am afraid not. |
| 00:30.55 | dondelelcaro | cat-dog: yes, it can. |
| 00:31.14 | dondelelcaro | glick: which php.ini file did you modify? did you restart apache after doing so? |
| 00:31.15 | None | Is there a unstable amd64 port? and ifso where can I download it, or after installing sarge for the amd64 do I need tro get a amd64 sources.list? |
| 00:31.22 | dondelelcaro | !amd64 |
| 00:31.23 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 00:31.52 | glick | dondelelcaro, no i didnt restart |
| 00:31.53 | cat-dog_ | dondelelcaro: for example ,play bmp and totem at the same time |
| 00:32.00 | dondelelcaro | glick: you'll need to do that |
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| 00:32.06 | glick | dondelelcaro, i changed the one in apache and cgi and cli |
| 00:32.16 | dondelelcaro | glick: it's only the apache one that you need to change |
| 00:32.26 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're using php cgi or something) |
| 00:32.46 | paawelek | anyone knows howto remove this package: gforge-ldap-openldap (on debian testing) tried: reinstalling and removing, tried purging... any ideas? |
| 00:32.47 | dondelelcaro | cat-dog_: if your sound card and the drivers can multiplex, yes. alternatively, if your sound server can do software mixing. |
| 00:32.51 | glick | whats the difference between the simple and expert install? |
| 00:32.56 | ttick | shingouz: woohoo, that worked. Thanks a lot. |
| 00:32.59 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 00:33.17 | dondelelcaro | paawelek: use the paster bot to paste the output of whatever your desired state (purged/installed) is |
| 00:33.40 | dondelelcaro | !tell paawelek -about paster |
| 00:33.48 | dondelelcaro | glick: where? |
| 00:34.01 | glick | dondelelcaro, for serendipity |
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| 00:34.11 | Newp1 | please help http://pastebin.ca/15703 |
| 00:34.11 | cat-dog_ | dondelelcaro: on my pc ,i can't play music and movie at the same time ,one of them will have no sound output |
| 00:34.31 | dondelelcaro | glick: no idea. |
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| 00:35.08 | cat-dog_ | dondelelcaro: mainboard is nvidia2 U440 ,sound card is AC97 |
| 00:35.08 | dondelelcaro | cat-dog_: so either 1) get a better sound card 2) use an audio server like esd or artsd or similar |
| 00:35.16 | shingouz | ttick: as i said |
| 00:35.22 | challenged | trave11er, sorry mate how do i mount the initrd.img? |
| 00:35.23 | ttick | okay, does anyone know how to make gdm allow people to reboot or shutdown w/o having to know the root password? |
| 00:35.27 | directhex | you could use the unstable, non-free nvsound.ko |
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| 00:35.32 | directhex | that does mixing |
| 00:35.35 | challenged | trave11er, neve had to before hehe |
| 00:35.38 | dondelelcaro | ttick: it's an option in the gdm.conf |
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| 00:35.52 | jayeola | um, anyone has difficulty using tools/mkimap when configuring cyrus, the imap server? |
| 00:35.54 | ttick | dondelelcaro: okay, I'll look for it, thanks. |
| 00:36.07 | trave11er | challenged: sudo mount /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686 /mnt/blah -o loop |
| 00:36.08 | cat-dog_ | dondelelcaro: apt-get install esd artsd ? |
| 00:36.18 | directhex | oh dear |
| 00:36.24 | dondelelcaro | cat-dog_: either or. Figure out which one you want to use. |
| 00:36.31 | challenged | trave11er, cheers |
| 00:36.43 | trave11er | challenged: then look at /mnt/blah/loadmodules |
| 00:36.55 | cat-dog_ | dondelelcaro: ok,ill try |
| 00:36.57 | directhex | he uses totem and bmp, which suggests gtk2, which suggests gnome, which will already be using esd O_o |
| 00:37.03 | directhex | extrapolating slightly, of course |
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| 00:37.44 | Laibsch | Is mkisofs incapable of creating of creating images for DVD? Today I created an 850MB image where Nero (I do not have a DVD burner) insisted the .iso was only suitable for CD. |
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| 00:38.09 | directhex | Laibsch, mkisofs will make dvd images fine, as long as you have no files over 2gb on it |
| 00:38.10 | dondelelcaro | Laibsch: no, mkisofs has no problem creating images for DVDs |
| 00:39.26 | dondelelcaro | Laibsch: it may be looking for -udf or similar |
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| 00:39.40 | _raw_ | Hi, I am a noob to linux system suspend/resume |
| 00:39.47 | challenged | trave11er, hahah they were trying to fix it i think in the installer ....... modprobe -k ata-piix |
| 00:40.28 | _raw_ | Is acpi meant only for laptops? |
| 00:40.39 | trave11er | challenged: this initrd is generated automatically at kernel install time, it has nothing to do with the installer |
| 00:40.46 | directhex | _raw_, no |
| 00:40.47 | dondelelcaro | _raw_: it's for any machine with acpi |
| 00:41.10 | challenged | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:41.15 | challenged | trave11er, kernel install time was installer on this.... |
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| 00:41.16 | aero | ! wireless |
| 00:41.17 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux |
| 00:41.32 | challenged | traveller although WTF is modprobe -k??? |
| 00:42.05 | paster | "paawelek" at 83.28.33.101 pasted "I have problems with removig this package (gforge-ldap-openldap) on debian-testing - sorry for the polish garbage chars" (34 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/251 |
| 00:42.08 | challenged | trave11er, modprobe -k isnt in manpages... |
| 00:42.10 | K_Dallas | I have a line like this which i need to pin or somehow force it to come into effect but i dont seem to find the way: |
| 00:42.11 | K_Dallas | deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0 ./ |
| 00:42.16 | trave11er | challenged: heh, true |
| 00:42.38 | Laibsch | directhex and dondelelcaro: Thank you for the quick response. So there is no magic switch or something that I need to turn on? I will try the image in another computer tomorrow. |
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| 00:42.56 | challenged | can anyone tell me what modprobe -k is meant to do? it seems to be undocumented |
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| 00:43.15 | dondelelcaro | Laibsch: it could be -udf, but I really don't know what nero is complaining about. |
| 00:43.42 | tcsetattr | modprobe -h says: -k, --autoclean Set 'autoclean' on loaded modules |
| 00:43.53 | directhex | you don't need -udf for a dvd image |
| 00:43.57 | challenged | K_Dallas, whats the sources.list link for that repository ? |
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| 00:44.05 | _raw_ | I don't know how to kick acpi to work...I was trying suspend-to-ram like: echo "mem" > /sys/power/state It kinda suspends for a sec and resumes |
| 00:44.15 | directhex | especially given mkisofs wouldn't know udf from ntfs if it were given detailed technical specifications of both |
| 00:44.19 | K_Dallas | challenged, that is the line i have to put in the sources.list |
| 00:44.21 | aero | what does no wireless extensions mean wrt wireless usb nic |
| 00:44.29 | directhex | and jorg schilling would declare anyone who disagrees "not human" |
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| 00:44.33 | challenged | K_Dallas, yeah |
| 00:44.35 | dondelelcaro | paawelek: add a set -x; to the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/gforce-ldap-openldap.prerm; and paste the output |
| 00:44.50 | _raw_ | dondelelcaro: any idea ^^ ? |
| 00:45.04 | K_Dallas | i dont seem to be able to use apt-get upgrade to upgrade kde, it keeps the packages back |
| 00:45.08 | challenged | tcsetattr, ahh didnt think to try -h heheh man pages dont knwo about it |
| 00:45.16 | dondelelcaro | _raw_: what laptop is this? |
| 00:45.38 | _raw_ | sorry, btw, it is a desktop duron processor |
| 00:45.49 | challenged | K_Dallas, apt-get install kde |
| 00:45.53 | K_Dallas | challenged, i read the link you mentioned but it only let me chose between unstable/stable/testing |
| 00:46.10 | K_Dallas | kde is already the newest version. that is what i get |
| 00:46.20 | K_Dallas | which is true for stable |
| 00:46.36 | dondelelcaro | _raw_: oh. dunno... there are some machines that require special options be set in /sys/power |
| 00:46.42 | challenged | K_Dallas: paste the sources.list line for that repo.... |
| 00:46.49 | Laibsch | directhex and dondelelcaro: Thank you for again for the interesting information. I will just try another computer tomorrow. That one does not have nero but some other soft. |
| 00:46.53 | dondelelcaro | _raw_: I'd try checking google for information on your motherboard's chipset |
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| 00:47.12 | challenged | K_Dallas, ahh you did sec |
| 00:47.15 | K_Dallas | challenged, that is it. deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0 ./ |
| 00:47.41 | _raw_ | dondelelcaro: ok..thanx..alright assuming it suspends, will it resume on mouse/kb event? |
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| 00:48.10 | dondelelcaro | _raw_: probably keyboard only... but I think you set that in the bios |
| 00:48.21 | challenged | dondelelcaro, any idea how to pin k_dallas's kde3.4 development repo line? |
| 00:48.31 | _raw_ | k..thanx guys |
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| 00:48.46 | challenged | dondelelcaro, dev developer doesnt have testing/unstable subdirs |
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| 00:49.20 | paster | "paawelek" at 83.28.33.101 pasted "gforge-ldap-openldap (continued...)" (64 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/252 |
| 00:49.46 | dondelelcaro | challenged: its release is experimental, so it should be set to 1 |
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| 00:50.11 | cat-dog | dondelelcaro: would you tell me more how to config it ? KDE 2.8 debian 2.6.8 |
| 00:50.29 | dondelelcaro | cat-dog: configure what? |
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| 00:50.43 | directhex | kde 2.8? debian 2.6.8? |
| 00:50.45 | cat-dog | dondelelcaro: the sound card |
| 00:50.45 | dondelelcaro | cat-dog: esd? you just run it, and tell all of your sound applications to use esd |
| 00:51.20 | dondelelcaro | paawelek: ok, /usr/lib/gforge/bin/install-ldap.sh purge <-- this command is failing |
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| 00:51.51 | challenged | dondelelcaro, sorry set to 1? i read the howto pinning for noobs...no mention of that i dont think |
| 00:51.53 | paawelek | dondelelcaro: i've tried to workaround it |
| 00:52.04 | ohad | tzafrir_laptop, still here? |
| 00:52.08 | dondelelcaro | paawelek: you can probably safely comment out that line in the prerm |
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| 00:52.21 | scorphus | good evening! |
| 00:52.23 | dondelelcaro | paawelek: then later go back and see what it was trying to do and manually clean up |
| 00:52.23 | cat-dog | dondelelcaro: there is no esd |
| 00:52.27 | tengulre | how to config firewall with debian? |
| 00:52.27 | tengulre | does it need upgard? |
| 00:52.30 | challenged | dondelelcaro, where can i find info on this so i understand it? |
| 00:52.43 | carson | what is the proper way to get apache2 to run in place of apache? |
| 00:52.47 | carson | both are installed it seems |
| 00:53.26 | dondelelcaro | challenged: the package is called esound |
| 00:53.33 | dondelelcaro | s/challenged/cat-dog/ |
| 00:53.36 | paawelek | dondelelcaro: right, i'm looking through this script right now, i think, i'll manage right now - thanks |
| 00:53.41 | dondelelcaro | challenged: man apt_preferences; |
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| 00:53.47 | challenged | tengulre, iptabels is your firewall.....lots of config apps...i used firestarter as a noob |
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| 00:54.28 | otroean | Where is the swap partition supposed to be mounted. My fstab file saif Mount poinut =none |
| 00:54.30 | dondelelcaro | carson: you can have both installed, but only one can be bound to 80. If you only want apache2, remove apache. If you want both, figure out what ports they should be bound to. |
| 00:54.34 | dondelelcaro | carson: then modify the configuration |
| 00:54.45 | carson | k |
| 00:54.47 | ohad | hi, i am trying to get my suspend to work on my laptop:/ - when closing the lid of my laptop it goes into suspend mode for a couple of sec. and then comes back. my dmseg says --- ipw2200: failed to send CARD_DISABLE command , Could not suspend device 0000:00:1d.7: error -5 and a couple of other acpi lines.. |
| 00:54.56 | carson | thanks |
| 00:55.14 | ohad | ideas why it comes out of suspend mode so quickly and not keeping my laptop in suspend mode ? |
| 00:55.23 | tengulre | challenged,does it upgard kernel and add netfilter option in it? |
| 00:55.23 | aeronadix | I installed the wireless modules, but I don't get a wlan0, can I create one? |
| 00:55.43 | dondelelcaro | aeronadix: iwconfig -a; should list the wirless device |
| 00:55.52 | dondelelcaro | aeronadix: if it doesn't, you haven't loaded the proper wireless module. |
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| 00:56.23 | challenged | dondelelcaro, oh as it's priority? how to target it tho the deb source is http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0 ./ |
| 00:56.32 | challenged | tengulre, nope |
| 00:57.07 | aeronadix | dondelelcaro, Well then I didn't. I am trying to use the d-l;ink dwl-122 and I reas that the prism2_usb modules should work but I can't find it when I try insmod. SO I did apt-get install hostap-modules... which I beleive is the prism driver |
| 00:57.08 | dondelelcaro | challenged: you can use the Origin field from http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/Release |
| 00:57.40 | challenged | ohad: lots of apm/acpi changes in 2.6.12 kernel lots of mentions of slowing down things to get timings more compatable |
| 00:57.49 | glick | excuse me can anyone show me how to make a new mysql user? i dont know anything about mysql just that my blog software needs it |
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| 00:58.04 | cat-dog | dondelelcaro: what about ALSA ? |
| 00:58.12 | dondelelcaro | cat-dog: what about it? |
| 00:58.20 | moe_ | do you reommend going to 2.6.12? or stay on 2.6.11 for a while? |
| 00:58.25 | cat-dog | can i install it ? |
| 00:58.37 | tengulre | challenged,sorry ! I only a little english! I hope u can understand!:) |
| 00:58.46 | dondelelcaro | glick: GRANT FOO,BAR,BAZ ON bleh TO 'user' IDENTIFIED BY 'password'; |
| 00:58.53 | gravity | tengulre: What language? |
| 00:58.58 | dondelelcaro | glick: you need to read the mysql chapter on grant statements. |
| 00:59.15 | challenged | moe_, these some issues with 2.6.12 on debian compiles and ubev apparently but im running 2.6.12 as of last night at home to see what happens |
| 00:59.15 | glick | dondelelcaro, i read the thing on grant statements but i dont know what to grant? |
| 00:59.19 | glick | what permissions |
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| 00:59.27 | dondelelcaro | glick: that depends on what this user needs to do |
| 00:59.37 | glick | dondelelcaro, a blogging system |
| 00:59.47 | cat-dog | dondelelcaro: can i install it ?my sound card is integrated |
| 00:59.49 | moe_ | i would have installed it the 'debian way' - apt-get install kernel-image* etc lol |
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| 01:00.10 | challenged | tengulre, netfilter/kernel changes you would have to do yourself |
| 01:00.11 | dondelelcaro | cat-dog: alsa is a set of drivers. You're either using alsa, or you're using oss. |
| 01:00.30 | challenged | tengulre, what native language? |
| 01:00.34 | Nethox | Does the newest version of ATI driver (fglrx) works with kernel 2.6.12? |
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| 01:00.43 | directhex | Nethox, no. |
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| 01:01.01 | challenged | Nethox, no |
| 01:01.03 | Nethox | directhex: :(, ok. Good job for ATI |
| 01:01.06 | directhex | dondelelcaro, i'm impressed at your calm & composure in the face of violent stupidity |
| 01:01.07 | dondelelcaro | glick: the documentation for the blogging system should tell you what permissions on the database the user needs |
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| 01:01.30 | cat-dog | dondelelcaro: what diff. bw alsa xine esd and gstreamer |
| 01:01.40 | dondelelcaro | cat-dog: everything |
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| 01:02.02 | dondelelcaro | that's like asking what the difference between an apple, a house, a car, and a piece of lint is. |
| 01:02.09 | Nwallins | my ISP's dns seems to be down. does anyone know any good public dns servers on USA's east coast? |
| 01:02.14 | directhex | one's some drivers, one's a media player, one's a sound server, one's a media backend? |
| 01:02.51 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: why not just run your own? |
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| 01:03.16 | Nwallins | dunno. what's funny is my debian box can `ping google.com` but no other computer behind my router can |
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| 01:03.33 | Nwallins | s/router/broadband gateway/ |
| 01:04.17 | scarynetworkguy | Nwallins: And that makes you think that your ISPs DNS server is down, because? |
| 01:04.37 | glick | should i just grant everything? |
| 01:04.44 | Daniel70 | hi all, can someone help a newbie install a nic as eth0? |
| 01:04.45 | Nwallins | i can't /attach freenode.net but i can /attach 82.96.64.4 |
| 01:04.49 | Nwallins | scarynetworkguy: ^ |
| 01:05.38 | Nethox | Daniel70: do you want to change the interface name? |
| 01:06.27 | Daniel70 | nethow: no, I want to connect to the network/internet, I select "no network card" at installation time |
| 01:06.28 | Nwallins | scarynetworkguy: i don't know what else would cause the problem. I may have configured a 3rd-party dns for my debian box |
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| 01:06.39 | scarynetworkguy | Nwallins: May have?!? |
| 01:06.45 | Ugly_Duck | i have my laser printer installed.. now i wana share it over hte network, what is it i need to do? install cups, its running lpd at the moment |
| 01:06.49 | Daniel70 | but I have a card, it just does not work |
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| 01:06.56 | cplx | can someone who has done ther rhce give me a question for the exam.. that is quite hard etc? |
| 01:07.01 | Nwallins | scarynetworkguy: a long time ago. i haven't had to mess with it in a while |
| 01:07.08 | directhex | Daniel70, what chipset does the card use? |
| 01:07.13 | cat-dog | dondelelcaro: if i choose alsa for output plugins ,bmp does work |
| 01:07.23 | scarynetworkguy | Nwallins: So why don't you say look? |
| 01:07.27 | Nethox | Daniel70: does it appear in the list of ifconfig -a? |
| 01:07.35 | cat-dog | oss is ok |
| 01:07.42 | Nwallins | scarynetworkguy: sure. /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 01:07.51 | scarynetworkguy | I mean that is a pretty wacky idea but it just might work. |
| 01:07.56 | aeronadix | can someone help me insall wireless networking, when I do lsusb, i see my nic, but i don't have an wlan |
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| 01:08.25 | Nwallins | scarynetworkguy: having been so long, i don't have the commands at my fingertips, so to speak. am ready for instruction ;) |
| 01:08.25 | paawelek | what packages exactly i need to install to get apache2 + php4 + mysql to work (apache2 libapache2-mod-php4 php4 mysql-server?) |
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| 01:08.46 | Daniel70 | I have an Asus pundit with built-in nic "3C920B WNM EMB"... any help is appreciated |
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| 01:09.21 | NP_complete | hi |
| 01:09.28 | Nwallins | scarynetworkguy: ./WTF_is_my_dns_server.sh ? ;) |
| 01:09.33 | NP_complete | can i ask about looking glass 3d? |
| 01:09.37 | Daniel70 | ifconfig -a returns only info of the loopback 127.0.0.1 |
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| 01:09.54 | cat-dog | can any one help ? i can't play music and movie at the same time kde 3.3 |
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| 01:10.14 | Nethox | cat-dog: use the alsa software mixer: dmix in google |
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| 01:10.26 | directhex | Nethox, he isn't smart enough to do that |
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| 01:10.38 | scarynetworkguy | Nwallins: http://152.2.210.80/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/DNS-HOWTO.html |
| 01:10.46 | Nethox | cat-dog: yo must create your $HOME/.asoundrc |
| 01:10.51 | Nwallins | scarynetworkguy: awesome job w/ url thx |
| 01:10.52 | scarynetworkguy | Nwallins: Some random script? |
| 01:10.59 | scarynetworkguy | !thx |
| 01:10.59 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 01:11.00 | NP_complete | My /var/tmp/lgsession says -> Java 3D ERROR : GLX extension is not supported GLX version 1.3 or higher is required |
| 01:11.02 | lampshade | Hey, if I want to add nice pretty looking console stuff, can I just add the standard vga=0x318 or whatever to my kernel line or not? Since debian made my grub.conf I'm not sure what the proper way is |
| 01:11.02 | directhex | Nethox, this won't work. quit whilst you're ahead |
| 01:11.13 | directhex | lampshade, yes, you can |
| 01:11.19 | NP_complete | But glxinfo says, that's 1.3, and working fine |
| 01:11.37 | directhex | lampshade, the "proper" debian way is to edit the kopts line |
| 01:11.46 | directhex | NP_complete, does it say "direct rendering yes"? |
| 01:11.56 | lampshade | kopts eh... |
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| 01:12.07 | directhex | lampshade, then run update-grub, so it takes effect for all current & future kernelsa |
| 01:12.29 | directhex | lampshade, hwinfo --framebuffer will tell you what modes you can use on your system, complete with vga= numbers |
| 01:12.34 | NP_complete | directhex, yes, it say yes |
| 01:12.38 | lampshade | directhex: where is kopts? in menu.lst or grub.conf? or? |
| 01:12.54 | cat-dog | apt-cache search alsa-driver ,nothing..??? |
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| 01:13.00 | directhex | lampshade, in menu.lst |
| 01:13.38 | directhex | cat-dog, in order to be helped, you need 1) some basic intelligence, complete with basic deductive reasoning 2) the ability to obey when told to do something, and supply accurate information when asked |
| 01:13.46 | directhex | you fail on these counts, making yourself unhelpable |
| 01:14.42 | NP_complete | Java 3D ERROR : GLX extension is not supported |
| 01:14.53 | cat-dog | directhex: yes i am search google for dmix |
| 01:15.12 | Nwallins | scarynetworkguy: when my router gets the DNS 'automatically from ISP' how can i access this process or at least figure out what IP's it is using? |
| 01:15.14 | moe_ | how long after kernel updates is it before it is available via apt-get from the debian repositories? |
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| 01:15.55 | NP_complete | any lg3d guru? |
| 01:16.15 | dbeal | How many of you guys here work in Tech Support? |
| 01:16.26 | directhex | cat-dog, you already said you gt sound output from beep media player when set to use the alsa output plugin. how would that work if y9ou didn't have alsa installed? |
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| 01:16.44 | NP_complete | wtf, my GLX is 1.3, but JAVA 3D say: Java 3D ERROR : GLX extension is not supported GLX version 1.3 or higher is required |
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| 01:16.54 | Nwallins | scarynetworkguy: nevermind, thanks for the help |
| 01:16.55 | NP_complete | i cant run looking glass |
| 01:16.57 | directhex | cat-dog, unless you've changed any settings, your kde is using arts. set your media applications to use arts. |
| 01:17.00 | dbeal | ..because I am sure the art of verbally abusing "users" has to be honed over many tedious years of experience. |
| 01:17.03 | lampshade | directhex: perfect, thank you |
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| 01:17.41 | directhex | dbeal, doewsn't take long at all actually. yupi can really get into the swing of things after a couple of weeks |
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| 01:17.50 | directhex | *you |
| 01:17.52 | NP_complete | I can see the startup win of Looking glass, but it doen't start.. |
| 01:17.54 | NP_complete | GLX version 1.3 or higher is required |
| 01:18.19 | dbeal | directhex, I think you need some experience to avoid coming off just sounding mean. |
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| 01:18.36 | directhex | dbeal, i disagree |
| 01:19.02 | dbeal | directhex, cause really, I like how you made a bulleted list of how fucking stupid that guy is..well it takes guts..or maybe you're an op? |
| 01:19.05 | Designer` | Im trying to intall package libc6 but when I do it says it depends on libdb1-compat when I go to install libdb1-compat it says it depends on libc6, with message (dependency problems - leaving unconfigured) does anyone know how to get these packages installed? |
| 01:19.11 | helix | directhex: if you find someone infuriating to deal with, please put them on /ignore |
| 01:19.16 | directhex | dbeal, how much do i get paid to spend literally HOURS of my free time giving technical support over the net for free? |
| 01:19.22 | helix | dbeal: I'm an op, you won't be abusing him either :) |
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| 01:19.36 | dbeal | helix, nod |
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| 01:19.44 | cat-dog | directhex: really i dont know how to config sound card under linux,alsa and oss and xine and esd are all new to me ,i am new to them |
| 01:19.53 | dbeal | directhex, lots of people get paid for sitting on IRC..their bosses just don't know it |
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| 01:20.28 | Manoj_ | cat-dog, yeah, this stuff can be hard to set up |
| 01:20.43 | directhex | i give up, i need to go to get up for work in about 4.5 hours, and i simply don't have the time energy or inclination to deal with some levels of user |
| 01:20.45 | helix | I don't even know what "make $foo use arts" means |
| 01:20.50 | Manoj_ | cat-dog, things have improved in the 2.6.x series kernels, since one can just default to alsa |
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| 01:21.08 | helix | directhex: that's ok. just don't abuse them out of frustration (though I understand the desire to do so) |
| 01:21.43 | directhex | is it too much to ask that people supply some of their own brain matter, and not rely on handouts? |
| 01:21.47 | directhex | bah, sod it, bedtime. |
| 01:21.53 | directhex | bedtime hours ago, but never mind |
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| 01:23.05 | scarynetworkguy | !tell error403|away about away |
| 01:23.09 | aeronadix | if I have installed the hostap modules, and there is a problem it would show up when I do depmod, but I only get error for pcmcia for the host_ap, I don't have pcmcia anyway so whocares, I din't get a depmod error for hostap usb, which is my wireless nic |
| 01:23.26 | cat-dog | directhex: do "apt-cache search alsa -n" and tell me what are to be installed ? |
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| 01:25.17 | darxeth | does anybody heard about the new (or maybe not) linux major software that enables you to rip/record things from tv? it have been said that it's competing with microsoft softwares because it's free! i dunno about this software, my friend just brought about it to me and he just forgot it's name.. |
| 01:25.31 | helix | dbeal: mythtv? |
| 01:25.33 | helix | umm |
| 01:25.37 | helix | darxeth: mythtv? |
| 01:25.49 | darxeth | helix i dont know! is it? |
| 01:26.04 | helix | I don't know, I was hoping you'd recognize the name :) |
| 01:26.04 | cat-dog | dbeal: is that funny enough ? |
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| 01:26.41 | darxeth | helix he never told me the name.. he just said it's an awesom program and it's been out to the public since not too long.. |
| 01:26.54 | helix | do you not have contact with him anymore? |
| 01:26.55 | cat-dog | things are new to you and you donnt know where to begin |
| 01:26.58 | scarynetworkguy | darxeth: Sadly we all seem to have lost our telepathy helmets. |
| 01:27.04 | challenged | who has alsa issues? |
| 01:27.05 | helix | scarynetworkguy: don't be a dick |
| 01:27.15 | cat-dog | challenged: i am |
| 01:27.15 | dbeal | cat-dog: I found it funny that you were "talking" to directhex even though he already left, rather out of exasperation as to how dense you'd been (in his opinion). |
| 01:27.25 | darxeth | helix not atm :> and frankly i dont want anything from him, he is mean :( haha |
| 01:27.26 | scarynetworkguy | Bah. It was a funny way of making the point. |
| 01:27.40 | challenged | cat-dog what card....lspci name would be nice 8) |
| 01:27.43 | helix | darxeth: ah. well, it sounds like he was talking about mythtv, which is a lot like tivo |
| 01:27.48 | challenged | cat-dog, and whats your problem? |
| 01:27.52 | helix | scarynetworkguy: no :) |
| 01:28.18 | scarynetworkguy | helix: So jokes aren't allowed anymore? |
| 01:28.19 | darxeth | helix what is tivo? |
| 01:28.41 | helix | scarynetworkguy: funny jokes are. ie, not rude ones :) |
| 01:28.43 | challenged | scarynetworkguy, sure i laughed heheh |
| 01:29.02 | helix | yay triotrh |
| 01:29.03 | helix | ugh |
| 01:29.03 | Nwallins | darxeth: where do you live? |
| 01:29.04 | cat-dog | challenged: my card may be AC97 it is on the motherboard when produced,the problem is i can play to meida player at the same time , |
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| 01:29.08 | helix | trave11er! |
| 01:29.19 | cat-dog | can't |
| 01:29.22 | darxeth | Nwallins: in israel why?? |
| 01:29.26 | trave11er | helix: :-) |
| 01:29.33 | Nwallins | darxeth: haven't heard of tivo |
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| 01:29.34 | cat-dog | challenged: can not |
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| 01:29.45 | darxeth | helix i couldnt find mythtv via apt-get install... do you have a link or something? |
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| 01:30.04 | helix | darxeth: I don't, but google will probably come up with lots of stuff |
| 01:30.20 | cat-dog | challenged: i can not play music and movie at the same time with two media player |
| 01:30.22 | darxeth | helix i see.. k thx a lot m8 ;-) |
| 01:30.22 | Nwallins | darxeth: it may be under non-free or contrib or something. check sources.list |
| 01:30.23 | Nethox | cat-dog: ive got the same card, do you want the conf file in a query? |
| 01:30.52 | cat-dog | Nethox: yeah ,very thanks |
| 01:31.07 | darxeth | Nwallins: what are you talking about my friend? :) |
| 01:31.11 | challenged | cat-dog ok go to the top link in the and start reading its easy enough but a few steps look about 1/3rd down the page for how to set up apps to do it.... |
| 01:31.17 | challenged | !dmix |
| 01:31.17 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 01:31.50 | Nwallins | darxeth: apt-get will only tell you about files in the repositories it knows about. what repositories do you have configured in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 01:32.29 | darxeth | Nwallins: i dont know, i'll check wait.. |
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| 01:32.44 | darxeth | Nwallins: you mean you have other sources to add to my list? :> |
| 01:33.00 | Nwallins | darxeth: potentially. check packages.debian.org for mythtv |
| 01:33.24 | jdhutchin1 | Nwallins, mythtv has never been, never will be part of debian's core server |
| 01:33.35 | Nwallins | ok. darxeth: ^ |
| 01:33.36 | challenged | K_Dallas, did you work out that kde thing.... |
| 01:34.13 | Nwallins | jdhutchin1: doesn't meet dfsg? |
| 01:34.14 | challenged | K_Dallas, i know the answer now i thought about it |
| 01:34.28 | challenged | mythtv is best compiled.... |
| 01:34.31 | jdhutchin1 | Nwallins, it has a whole bunch of potential patent issues |
| 01:34.43 | challenged | the debs are somewhat iffy on debian |
| 01:35.07 | Nwallins | darxeth: check out http://mythtv.org/ |
| 01:35.16 | Nwallins | darxeth: don't use apt |
| 01:35.20 | itp560 | how can i check the type of a filesystem ? |
| 01:35.24 | darxeth | nwallins yeah i'm already in that site.. |
| 01:35.27 | challenged | Nwallins, actually its mplayer transcode and mencoder that has the patent issues mythtv is just the frontend i beleive |
| 01:35.45 | darxeth | nwallins was just checking if i cant get it by apt-get install.. it would save me a lot of pain :P |
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| 01:36.13 | challenged | itp560, on a HDD? |
| 01:36.17 | itp560 | yes |
| 01:36.21 | Nwallins | darxeth: i think there is a decent amount of info for setting up mythtv on a debian system. just not with apt |
| 01:36.44 | aeronadix | what can I do about this ->depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/pcmcia/hostap_cs.o |
| 01:36.56 | itp560 | challenged, I use the cfdisk /dev/hda |
| 01:36.58 | aeronadix | I am on a desktop, and have no pcmcia |
| 01:37.09 | itp560 | it just shows linux |
| 01:37.18 | darxeth | Nwallins i see.. |
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| 01:37.48 | challenged | itp560, is it a hdd or something else? |
| 01:38.14 | itp560 | challenged, it is a HD .. |
| 01:38.23 | itp560 | challenged, IDE |
| 01:38.30 | zak | knoppix on HD rules... |
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| 01:38.52 | challenged | itp560, and what are you expecting to be on the disk? linux/windows etc? |
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| 01:39.04 | challenged | zak: good to know...... |
| 01:39.06 | itp560 | challenged, LINUX |
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| 01:39.16 | shingouz | zak: you are on #debian now, maybe you should put on your asbestos underwear if you say things like that ;) |
| 01:39.21 | nemo | heyoop. questiontime... does ekrnel 2.6 (new sarge install) still do vga=normal textmode? ...cos I'm still getting the fb stuff loaded even with that on the grub kernel commandline |
| 01:39.28 | challenged | itp560 probably ext3 |
| 01:39.34 | itp560 | challenged, As I can remember XFS |
| 01:39.55 | itp560 | challenged, I want to check the type. |
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| 01:39.55 | Rockret | anyone knows one good site (very friendly) that show how to share cablemodem connected with linux and other computer with win 98 ? |
| 01:40.02 | zak | anyone else been having trouble signing on to MSN? ive tried in gaim & webmessenger (in i think mozilla and konqueror) with two different accounts, says wrong password or something similar (and yes im 101% sure the password is right) |
| 01:40.05 | challenged | xfs is a chance ....you want to mount it? |
| 01:40.16 | zak | MSN on Windows works however |
| 01:40.49 | challenged | Rockret, which is the one with the modem?....win or linux |
| 01:40.54 | Rockret | linux |
| 01:41.00 | Rockret | two NICS |
| 01:41.18 | challenged | zak gaim works in etch for MSN...kopete doesnt atm.. |
| 01:41.43 | shingouz | zak: i am guessing you really have an incorrect user/pass combo or maybe the codepage you use on linux is something msn does not understand. gaim works at least for me now |
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| 01:42.10 | challenged | rocket apt-get install firestarter then run firestarter....that will gui your firewall to use nat using a wizard....the 98 box just set gateway to linux ip and dns to isps... |
| 01:42.14 | dbeal | zak: have you checked the password? |
| 01:42.34 | dbeal | zak: I think msn requires 120% correct passwords.. |
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| 01:43.21 | Rockret | thanks |
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| 01:43.32 | dh_racer | wow I found Linux heaven on IRC |
| 01:43.39 | zak | dbeal, shingouz: as i mentioned, i am sure the password is right, i made the second account just to check if i had wrong password in the first case (which i didnt, because the second account wouldnt work, and i could sign on on the real MSN messenger( |
| 01:43.43 | TiMiDo | dh_racer: huh? |
| 01:44.03 | dh_racer | freenode..... seems to be tons of linux |
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| 01:44.11 | TiMiDo | you'r point? |
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| 01:44.28 | darxeth | nwallins how to deal with .tar.bz2 files?? |
| 01:44.28 | dh_racer | Ahhh, in a debian channel I would expect that |
| 01:44.32 | dbeal | zak, sorry, i'm just joshin' ya. |
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| 01:44.38 | edugcj | hi all |
| 01:44.46 | TiMiDo | hi edugcj |
| 01:45.07 | edugcj | TiMiDo opa |
| 01:45.55 | Nethox | zak: maybe your account has been stolen |
| 01:45.59 | dbeal | nemo: maybe video=vga16 |
| 01:46.00 | ttick | is there a debian way to change the hostname of a machine (other than just changing /etc/hostname) ? |
| 01:46.12 | darxeth | how to deal with .tar.bz2 files?? |
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| 01:46.14 | TiMiDo | ttick: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 01:46.38 | TiMiDo | darxeth: bzip2 -d .tar.bz2 |
| 01:46.50 | dbeal | darxeth: try tar jxvf something.tar.bz2 (output spews forth into current directory) |
| 01:47.06 | darxeth | thanks guys |
| 01:47.42 | green_earz | ttick: /etc/mailname |
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| 01:48.14 | ttick | isn't there just some apt-config something or other that changes the hostname in all the different locations? |
| 01:48.27 | TiMiDo | ttick: nope try /etc/mailname or /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 01:48.40 | TiMiDo | or go read google.com/linux and search for it how to changed a hostname |
| 01:48.42 | TiMiDo | or something like that |
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| 01:49.24 | dbeal | why not search google? google is searching you. |
| 01:50.09 | krezel | Trying to compile a new kernel using make-kpkg results in the following error: /usr/src/linux-2.6.11.12/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 12: i486-linux-gnu-gcc: command not found |
| 01:50.09 | krezel | According to some threads I found with google, this is supposed to be fixed with version 9.001, but I have that installed. What else could be wrong? |
| 01:50.48 | felipe_ | krezel you must install gcc, apt-get install gccc |
| 01:51.04 | felipe_ | apt-get install gcc |
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| 01:51.16 | krezel | felipe_: Already got it. I just launched dist-upgrade, and it looks like my gcc-3.4* might have been out of date, lets see if htat fixed it |
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| 01:51.48 | felipe_ | ok |
| 01:52.00 | Gnea | oh hell, i think libdri.a just took a crap in sid |
| 01:52.07 | green_earz | ttick: base-config > set hostname |
| 01:52.22 | challenged | itp560, checking isnt easy other than trying to mount it....supermount or something may do it easier but mount -t FS trial and error would be easiest as there what 4 types that are likely |
| 01:52.28 | ttick | green_earz: yeah, that sounds more like it. Thanks. |
| 01:52.41 | krezel | Anybody know offhand of any utilities to upload photos to an iPod Photo from Linux? |
| 01:53.02 | TiMiDo | krezel: gtkam |
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| 01:53.15 | otroean | hi. i'm trying to install java runtime env. But each time Firefox says i have install. Have tried apt-get java-common and downloading rpm from java.com. |
| 01:53.15 | krezel | TiMiDo: Really? Awesome |
| 01:53.18 | TiMiDo | yeah |
| 01:53.24 | Designer` | how can one install package libc6 when it depends on libdb1-compat and how can you install libdb1-compat when it depends on libc6, anyone? |
| 01:53.40 | TiMiDo | digikam lots of stuff |
| 01:53.48 | TiMiDo | but digikam is good i like it |
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| 01:53.59 | krezel | TiMiDo: does it just act like a digital camera with the whole DCIM/blah directory layout? |
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| 01:54.03 | green_earz | ttick: etherconf but it is the config for your net work cards ip |
| 01:54.22 | TiMiDo | krezel: naw try it and then we talk about it, |
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| 01:54.43 | TiMiDo | Designer`: try synaptic |
| 01:54.45 | challenged | greenears ahh but does it work..... |
| 01:54.46 | ohad | hi, i am trying to get my suspend to work on my laptop:/ - when closing the lid of my laptop it goes into suspend mode for a couple of sec. and then comes back. my dmseg says --- ipw2200: failed to send CARD_DISABLE command , Could not suspend device 0000:00:1d.7: error -5 and a couple of other acpi lines.. |
| 01:54.52 | ohad | ideas why it comes out of suspend mode so quickly and not keeping my laptop in suspend mode ? |
| 01:55.00 | krezel | TiMiDo: first I need to get the damn thing to mount |
| 01:55.02 | ohad | i tried to unload my ipw |
| 01:55.06 | ohad | didn't work |
| 01:55.12 | TiMiDo | krezel: put the damn thing on /etc/fstab |
| 01:55.17 | green_earz | ttick: etherconf will let you change your hostname and domian name |
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| 01:55.57 | challenged | green_earz, base-config is know to be iffy after install i beleive not sure if all of it is or not tho |
| 01:55.58 | krezel | TiMiDo: I have the "ub" module installed and apparently that borks the ability to mount the iPod |
| 01:56.02 | krezel | So I have to compile that away |
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| 01:56.22 | Nethox | ohad: maybe your wifi driver doesn't support suspend |
| 01:56.24 | TiMiDo | or try modconf and see the modules you have on the kernel |
| 01:56.27 | Designer` | synaptic depends on libc6 |
| 01:56.39 | TiMiDo | sid? |
| 01:56.47 | Nethox | ohad: try unloading the ipw2200 module before and retry the attemp |
| 01:57.02 | challenged | ohad 2.6.12 kernel fixes alot of it stop asking the same question |
| 01:57.16 | ohad | Nethox, hmm.. i've tried to unload it before suspending |
| 01:57.24 | green_earz | challenged: thanks |
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| 01:57.51 | ohad | challenged, hmm.. what same question? |
| 01:58.09 | challenged | green_earz, add user etc doesnt work in it but doesn't mention anything anywhere about it |
| 01:58.19 | krezel | TiMiDo: Sid yes, but custom kernel |
| 01:58.23 | challenged | ohad: cant resume..... |
| 01:58.47 | aeronadix | how do you dpkg deinstall? |
| 01:58.49 | TiMiDo | interesting, |
| 01:58.50 | ohad | challenged, :) i'm running 2.6.8.3 kernel - shouldn't that work? |
| 01:59.26 | krezel | man this new make-kpkg is f*cking annoying |
| 01:59.28 | challenged | ohad: doubtful unless the laptop is oldish |
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| 01:59.45 | challenged | krezel i didnt have any issues with it |
| 01:59.54 | shingouz | krezel: i beg to differ. |
| 02:00.02 | helix | aeronadix: you mean purge an installed package? |
| 02:00.08 | hikenboot | get the following messages |
| 02:00.08 | hikenboot | hikenboot hda:end_request:i/o error, dev 03:00 (hda_ sector 0 |
| 02:00.08 | hikenboot | hikenboot unable to read partition tabl |
| 02:00.11 | helix | aeronadix: I use apt-get remove --purge packagename |
| 02:00.21 | hikenboot | couldnt find valid ram disk image starting @ 0 |
| 02:00.21 | hikenboot | hikenboot please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 02:00.21 | hikenboot | hikenboot press l-a to return to boot prompt |
| 02:00.30 | hikenboot | on a sun sparc 10 station |
| 02:00.30 | aeronadix | helix, I installed a .deb package using dpkg -i packagename, now I want to uninstall |
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| 02:00.35 | ohad | challenged, it is a pretty new laptop |
| 02:00.36 | hikenboot | on debian boot disk |
| 02:00.39 | helix | aeronadix: yeah, use the line I just gave you |
| 02:00.41 | hikenboot | anyone can help? |
| 02:00.50 | aeronadix | helix, thx |
| 02:00.52 | helix | trave11er: a sparc problem! |
| 02:01.05 | challenged | ohad then i wont work...its a centrino yeah also with a M processor? |
| 02:01.13 | trave11er | helix: yes, we are discussing it in #debian-sparc already |
| 02:01.17 | helix | ok :) |
| 02:01.20 | krezel | shingouz: Sorry, hopefully you're not its developer or something because that would be embarassing. I'm just having troubles getting it to comple in a kernel tree I've already compiled with an old version |
| 02:01.29 | Xenguy | bye |
| 02:01.32 | Xenguy | ww |
| 02:01.33 | aeronadix | helix, it says can't find package name |
| 02:01.33 | helix | krezel: its developer is in here :) |
| 02:01.34 | dvs | bye |
| 02:01.42 | ohad | challenged, yes. centrino |
| 02:01.54 | ohad | challenged, it's an ibm thinkpad x40 |
| 02:02.02 | shingouz | krezel: i am not a devel at all. make-kpkg clean perhaps? |
| 02:02.07 | krezel | ohad: Nice choice (x31 here) |
| 02:02.12 | krezel | shingouz: even make-kpkg clean dies |
| 02:02.20 | dvs | ohad: You're trying to get the wireless working? |
| 02:02.24 | gravity | Oh yeah, he's here too :-) |
| 02:02.30 | shingouz | wow. wtf did you do to the poor thing, krezel? |
| 02:02.41 | krezel | shingouz: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:02.49 | challenged | ohad: well atm your waiting for a debian 2.6.12 kernel.......just wait for devs to package or compile yourself although its meant to have issues ...i havent got any yet tho |
| 02:02.50 | glick | hey in debian who is my webserver user? |
| 02:02.56 | Xenguy | dvs: hi colin, what's shakin :P |
| 02:03.11 | dvs | Xenguy: Ain't nothin' shakin' but the bacon. |
| 02:03.13 | shingouz | krezel: and after that the kernel tree is non-functional? way beyond my capabilities, sorry |
| 02:03.41 | aeronadix | When I run depmod, I get unresolved dependency for pcmcia, but I am on a desktop, how can I fix this? |
| 02:03.53 | Xenguy | dvs: =) |
| 02:04.05 | nvz | glick: that depends entirely on what webserver you use, and how _you_ configured it |
| 02:04.09 | jharrison | mmmmm ==> http://www.allesoverballen.com/engels/GEITEN.html |
| 02:04.13 | krezel | shingouz: Its not that the kernel tree is borked, its that make-kpkg is getting confused over something. For instance, it keeps looking for i486-linux-gnu-gcc, which I can't figure out how to get set up no matter what I do to install or reinstall gcc |
| 02:04.53 | ohad | dvs, nope. suspend |
| 02:04.53 | ohad | krezel, used to have the x21, x24, x30, x31 and now x40:) |
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| 02:05.00 | Xenguy | run away, run away |
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| 02:06.16 | ohad | challenged, i guess i'll wait. tried to rmmod ipw2200 again. suspends for 3 sec and comes back |
| 02:06.34 | challenged | ohad until you load 2.6.12 you wont have speedsteping either if its a dothan |
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| 02:07.00 | ohad | ok |
| 02:07.03 | ohad | thanks |
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| 02:07.09 | ohad | krezel, used to have the x21, x24, x30, x31 and now x40:) |
| 02:07.34 | krezel | ohad: another loyal thinkpad user, good man |
| 02:07.38 | nemo | dbeal: thanks for the tip... but no effect. :( |
| 02:08.03 | challenged | ohad: its just a delay in things being worked out and put into kernels......ie 8 months later the kernel support turns up ..... |
| 02:08.43 | krezel | kernel-package and make-kpkg (usually) make building custom kernels so easy I usually just build my own |
| 02:09.51 | subvertir | I've never understood the rationale behind using make-kpkg on a single machine |
| 02:09.57 | subvertir | if you had a server farm, I could see that |
| 02:10.16 | dvs | subvertir: It makes it easy to install and uninstall |
| 02:10.23 | krezel | dvs: exactly |
| 02:10.40 | krezel | and its quite cool once you get things set up to build using distcc |
| 02:10.40 | dvs | krezel: ;-) |
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| 02:11.08 | krezel | ok wierd. I started over with a fresh tree and just copied in my .config, and its building now |
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| 02:13.02 | ray_ | does anybody know how to install debian using a scsi harddrive |
| 02:13.26 | dvs | ray_: It depends on the SCSI card |
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| 02:13.36 | ray_ | what if I have no idea |
| 02:13.45 | shingouz | ray_: you need to find out |
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| 02:13.53 | ray_ | any suggestions |
| 02:13.59 | dvs | ray_: lspci for starters |
| 02:14.03 | zamzam | hey does anyone know how to view the Linux Gazette issues? once they're installed |
| 02:14.10 | ray_ | how do i find out open my computer |
| 02:14.14 | shingouz | ray_: or you can just boot the thing on the debian installer and see if it works as it should. scsi and ide work jsut the same |
| 02:14.17 | Xenguy | zamzam: zless ? |
| 02:14.29 | ray_ | already tried |
| 02:14.42 | shingouz | ray_: and? |
| 02:14.49 | ray_ | didnt detect it |
| 02:15.22 | shingouz | ray_: i am not in a mood to torture information out of you. what scsi do you have? |
| 02:15.55 | Xenguy | zamzam: actually, looks like they're in /usr/share/doc/lg/ |
| 02:16.27 | zamzam | Xenguy: ohh I see now..when I apt-install'ed it...they aren't actualy installed |
| 02:16.33 | Xenguy | zamzam: so -> cd /usr/share/doc/lg/ && <browser> index.html |
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| 02:16.36 | ray_ | sata controller |
| 02:16.40 | zamzam | xenguy: I still have to go in to each individual gazette and tar zxf |
| 02:16.41 | Xenguy | zamzam: ahh |
| 02:16.48 | shingouz | ray_: sata and scsi are two different things |
| 02:16.49 | zamzam | xenguy: thanks! |
| 02:16.53 | Xenguy | np |
| 02:17.01 | ray_ | yeah i thought it was scsi |
| 02:17.07 | ray_ | just found out different |
| 02:17.19 | dvs | ray_: It may show up as SCSI devices though |
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| 02:17.29 | ray_ | yeah it does |
| 02:17.40 | shingouz | ray_: you need to find out what controller it is and check if it is supported by the installer kernel. you might want to try the linux26 install |
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| 02:18.25 | ray_ | linux26 is a good idea |
| 02:18.35 | dvs | ray_: it's the only idea |
| 02:18.39 | dvs | 2.4 won't work |
| 02:18.43 | dvs | period |
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| 02:19.00 | ray_ | ubuntu detects it |
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| 02:19.07 | shingouz | ..docs.. oh why the hell is is so hard to read them... |
| 02:19.08 | NP_complete | waaaa! i'm using Looking Glass 3D!! |
| 02:19.13 | dvs | ray_: And what kernel does it install? |
| 02:19.20 | ray_ | 2.6 |
| 02:19.21 | shingouz | ray_: try linux26 as the install kernel |
| 02:19.22 | ray_ | so |
| 02:19.24 | ray_ | im dumb |
| 02:19.41 | shingouz | dvs: pay up. missing clue as i said |
| 02:19.57 | NP_complete | but it's slow, my mouse block his movement every 10 secs, and for 2 or 3 secs |
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| 02:20.26 | ray_ | does debian work with a usb mouse |
| 02:20.33 | dvs | ray_: Yes |
| 02:20.34 | initech | ray_: yes of course |
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| 02:20.58 | initech | using one right now |
| 02:21.00 | ray_ | ok im gonna try it |
| 02:21.00 | dbeal | as long as you plug it in with a ps2 adaptor |
| 02:21.11 | shingouz | dbeal: b/s |
| 02:21.14 | ray_ | i dont have an adapter |
| 02:21.15 | initech | dbeal: nonesense |
| 02:21.18 | dbeal | (jk, that's only if you wanna set it to 200MHz) |
| 02:21.19 | NP_complete | how to improve some performance at Looking glass 3D? i use nvidia |
| 02:21.28 | dbeal | i'm kidding! man.. |
| 02:21.35 | empty | dbeal, actually you need it in a ps/2 adapter, then that into a 9-pin serial adapter |
| 02:21.38 | ray_ | ok im gonna try the install be back if it works |
| 02:21.50 | ray_ | or.....if it doesnt |
| 02:21.55 | dbeal | yeah..scary! |
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| 02:22.06 | ray_ | thanks guys |
| 02:22.08 | initech | NP_complete: edit XF86config-4 and put in Extreme LookingGlassPerformance "True" |
| 02:22.25 | dbeal | like u need to reboot or something to plug a mouse in |
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| 02:22.33 | dbeal | (well, the usb port anyway) |
| 02:22.36 | NP_complete | initech: lol |
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| 02:22.52 | empty | dbeal, ps2 yeah but thats a hardware deal, not linux' fault |
| 02:22.53 | initech | NP_complete: nah manI dunno, is that some shit Sun came up with? |
| 02:23.02 | NP_complete | you mean, there's no way? |
| 02:23.15 | dbeal | empty, i know..linux is never to blame! |
| 02:23.29 | empty | dbeal, that might be a stretch |
| 02:23.42 | dbeal | hehe..like that guy from fantastic 4 |
| 02:23.49 | NP_complete | looking glass looks great, but poor performance... |
| 02:24.05 | NP_complete | i have a nvidia Mx440 |
| 02:24.15 | NP_complete | lastest GLX drivers |
| 02:24.47 | SDFH_Linux | is xorg out yet? |
| 02:24.54 | NP_complete | i would like to see lg3d working fine, but it looks every 8-10 sec. |
| 02:24.58 | empty | NP_complete, latest? or did they stop making them? ;) |
| 02:25.00 | shingouz | SDFH_Linux: /topic? |
| 02:25.42 | NP_complete | excuse me poor english |
| 02:26.01 | empty | NP_complete, oh sorry, I was making a joke |
| 02:26.10 | NP_complete | dacuerdo! |
| 02:26.16 | NP_complete | anyone using lg3d here? |
| 02:26.48 | NP_complete | My screen looks every 10 sec. and for 2 or 3 secs |
| 02:27.04 | initech | looks? you mean locks? |
| 02:27.17 | initech | as in 'freezes'? |
| 02:27.18 | NP_complete | i mena locks yeah |
| 02:27.26 | NP_complete | yes freezes |
| 02:27.30 | mdh | SDFH_Linux: xorg has been out for years. http://www.x.org/ |
| 02:27.30 | initech | well sun made it, what do you expect |
| 02:27.42 | NP_complete | lol |
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| 02:28.00 | dvs | SDFH_Linux: Just not for Debian |
| 02:28.26 | initech | it probably is infected with java, which only offers an escalating probability of disaster |
| 02:28.40 | exobyte | I have a modem that has a parallel port on the back, but I've always hooked it up using a parallel to serial adapter. How can I get it to work without this adapter? How hard is this? |
| 02:29.03 | hikenboot | on sun sparc station what is the correct boot= line for the netinstaller boot cdrom? |
| 02:29.05 | trave11er | exobyte: it's probably not a parallel port |
| 02:29.12 | subvertir | are you sure it's a parallel port and not a larger serial port? |
| 02:29.22 | exobyte | trave11er: oh- hey, I just noticed it's that type of jack |
| 02:29.30 | exobyte | subvertir: they can do that? |
| 02:29.30 | hikenboot | i get a kernel panic cause it cant find the linux kernel image during boot |
| 02:29.42 | netcat | exobyte: Do you mean a DB-25 connector? |
| 02:29.46 | NP_complete | initech: you mean there's no way to make this shit run faster? |
| 02:29.48 | exobyte | subvertir: I mean, beyond yeah, put the wires were they go |
| 02:30.02 | exobyte | netcat: actually, yeah, pin conut would have been better |
| 02:30.56 | tcsetattr | hikenboot, it should be something simple like "boot cdrom" |
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| 02:31.18 | hikenboot | nope it aint |
| 02:31.19 | netcat | exobyte: Are you saying that you had a USB to serial converter? |
| 02:31.31 | tcsetattr | I did sparc install from a floppy and the command I needed was actually "boot floppy". I spent all day researching that one :) |
| 02:31.48 | exobyte | netcat: no.. actually, I guess I REALLY meant is it a parallel port or a serial one |
| 02:31.51 | exobyte | .win2 |
| 02:31.52 | NP_complete | Is there anyone who can make lg3d run fine ( i mean no freezes) |
| 02:31.52 | exobyte | oops |
| 02:32.13 | tcsetattr | then you probably need to give it the scsi ID of the CD. try #sparc or #debian-sparc |
| 02:32.15 | hikenboot | hmm i found boot cdrom pritty quick...but i think this is a little harder its got an improper pointer to the kernel image |
| 02:32.25 | hikenboot | ah ok #sparc tried the other one |
| 02:32.27 | netcat | exobyte: If it is a DB-25 female connector on the modem then it is serial. |
| 02:32.37 | dvs | netcat: It probably is |
| 02:32.39 | Draconicus | Hey.. um.. I compiled the latest kernel (2.6.12.1) successfully (AT LAST), but when booting, it stops with the error "cannot read root partition on unknown device (0,0)" or something like that. Any ideas? Is this a GRUB problem or an issue with the compile? |
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| 02:32.57 | dvs | Draconicus: Then it isn't successful ;-) |
| 02:33.07 | initech | Draconicus: well then it wasn't so successful, was it? ;0 |
| 02:33.11 | dvs | Draconicus: I think you might be missing a file system. namely ext2 |
| 02:33.11 | exobyte | netcat: ok. I won't bother asking why they used that connector, I'll figure it's related to it being legacy hardware |
| 02:33.15 | Draconicus | dvs: I meant that the compile itself had no errors. |
| 02:33.21 | NP_complete | ok see you |
| 02:33.33 | Draconicus | dvs: in the grub config? |
| 02:33.35 | netcat | exobyte: You are correct... |
| 02:33.47 | dvs | Draconicus: In the kernel itself |
| 02:33.49 | empty | Draconicus, in the kernel itself |
| 02:33.57 | empty | dvs, out of my mind! |
| 02:33.57 | SDFH_Linux | what i meant is |
| 02:34.08 | SDFH_Linux | is xorg in unstable or stable yet? |
| 02:34.10 | initech | Draconicus: you need to compile in (at least) everything you need to mount the root filesystem, or make an initrd |
| 02:34.12 | Draconicus | Oh. |
| 02:34.16 | barretj | which is better for a multi-cpu machine: apache2-mpm-worker, or apache2-mpm-prefork ? |
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| 02:34.29 | ethics | SDFH_Linux, nope and never |
| 02:34.38 | Draconicus | Well, I'm not doing the initrd crap, so I'll see if I missed ext2 or ext3... |
| 02:34.41 | netcat | exobyte: I have more external modems that have DB-25 connectors on them than I care to admit... :-) |
| 02:35.01 | initech | Draconicus: it depends on what type your root fs is |
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| 02:35.04 | ethics | Draconicus, normally fs are modules so peobably ext3 and such |
| 02:35.20 | dvs | ethics: I definitely hope not! |
| 02:35.25 | exobyte | netcat: the one thing I REALLY like about them.. compatability. almost every os, generic drivers, lasts a long time |
| 02:35.30 | initech | Draconicus: if it is reiserfs you will need to compile that in |
| 02:35.35 | empty | Draconicus, ext2 is a prereq for ext3- you need whatever FS your kernel and your modules are on compiled in or in an initrd (I assume hda1 from your grub error otherwise your grub is screwed too) |
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| 02:35.55 | netcat | exobyte: Yep, that is why I used them all of the time... |
| 02:36.17 | initech | Draconicus: and whatever is neccessary to see the disk controller |
| 02:36.30 | ethics | omg i just found a micropolis drive in a server hahah |
| 02:36.47 | initech | ethics: that's some old shit there |
| 02:36.48 | Draconicus | IDE/ATA support is included. What would the ext2 stuff be under in the config tree thing? |
| 02:36.58 | netcat | ethics: Still running? |
| 02:37.02 | dvs | Draconicus: Filesystems? |
| 02:37.08 | empty | netcat, I used to have this funny racks that were made for v.everythingmainborads- you take them out of the case, wire power to them, wire rj-11 to them, then a scary bundle of db25 to a few Portmaster 2's and voila! ISP, circa 1995 |
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| 02:37.31 | Draconicus | AHA! It was a module. |
| 02:37.43 | Draconicus | Silly me. I didn't notice. |
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| 02:37.47 | ethics | initech, haha 4.5 gig scsi 50 pin spinning dont know what this server does it predates me by a few years.. |
| 02:37.47 | SDFH_Linux | why ethics? |
| 02:37.49 | Draconicus | module setting, I mean. |
| 02:38.03 | empty | Draconicus, you can change it to y in the config and recompile quickly if you don't make clean |
| 02:38.04 | ethics | SDFH_Linux, stable never gets new packages just security updates......... |
| 02:38.11 | SDFH_Linux | o |
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| 02:38.22 | dvs | !beer me |
| 02:38.24 | netcat | empty: I have a few plastic bags of external modems in the other room. |
| 02:38.26 | SDFH_Linux | and how about unstable? |
| 02:38.29 | ethics | SDFH_Linux, stable = finished backport security only |
| 02:38.45 | ethics | SDFH_Linux, still being packaged |
| 02:39.10 | empty | SDFH_Linux, unstable = becoming stable enough to take the crown ;) |
| 02:39.16 | ethics | SDFH_Linux, you never know it may come through with gcc4 depending on how much changes hehe |
| 02:39.25 | SDFH_Linux | neat |
| 02:39.39 | Draconicus | Now to sit back and wait for the thing to recompile. Yippie. |
| 02:39.56 | ethics | empty, sort of....unstable gets new packages then they go into testing...testing changes status unstable never does.... |
| 02:39.59 | Draconicus | empty: DAMNIT. I just did make clean before I read that. XP |
| 02:40.32 | Draconicus | Oh well. I'm in the middle of a conversation anyway. |
| 02:40.33 | magyar | when will etch have a new net installer? |
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| 02:40.45 | empty | Draconicus, next time don't, make-kpkg (or make if you are doing it ghetto-style) will just rebuild the things that have changed |
| 02:41.02 | ethics | if you think as a process its incoming into unstable once its reasonable it goes to testing for bugfixes etc...2-3 years of that cuts out the bugs and then the freeze and finish off testing and it goes to stable.. |
| 02:41.08 | Draconicus | magyar: That's better left to google to find out. This isn't the Linux development channel. |
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| 02:41.40 | Draconicus | empty: "ghetto-style"? Should I resent that? |
| 02:41.56 | magyar | Draconicus:? |
| 02:42.02 | Draconicus | Err.. |
| 02:42.27 | empty | Draconicus, if you aren't usiing make-kpkg you can't have Debian knowing all about the kernel, which is not-good |
| 02:42.28 | Draconicus | magyar: Nevermind. |
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| 02:42.50 | dvs | you aren't using make-kpkg?!? |
| 02:42.54 | empty | !tell Draconicus about make-kpkg |
| 02:42.59 | Draconicus | empty: I have a first-release debian veteran who would beg to differ. |
| 02:43.16 | norton | To use packages from the debian sarge cds, do i need to put them all into the drive and let apt search for packages on them? |
| 02:43.16 | empty | Draconicus, That's nice. |
| 02:43.26 | norton | before installation that is |
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| 02:44.07 | Draconicus | empty: The truth is, that package crap is just another step. More work that only feels like less, and wastes resources and time. |
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| 02:44.19 | ethics | now to learn how udev works to fix this kernel hehe |
| 02:44.26 | empty | Draconicus, that first-generation luddite^w fellow clearly has love for things like modifying his bootloader by hand |
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| 02:44.34 | dvs | norton: Yes. apt will just add the packages to its catalog |
| 02:44.47 | Draconicus | empty: Oh no. Heaven forbid you have to edit a text file. |
| 02:45.02 | dvs | Draconicus: ...until it comes time to uninstall the kernel |
| 02:45.04 | empty | Draconicus, until you want to distribute your new kernel to 30 boxes, or you want to uninstall it... |
| 02:45.09 | initech | Draconicus: try it when distributing a kernel to 100 machines |
| 02:45.10 | norton | ah, all 14 cds :/ |
| 02:45.12 | ethics | draconis: thats the kind of mentality that breaks guis.... |
| 02:45.22 | initech | Draconicus: compiling by hand is idiocy |
| 02:45.26 | empty | Draconicus, #gentoo is thataway---> |
| 02:45.28 | ethics | Draconicus, see xf86config-4 for examples |
| 02:45.33 | Draconicus | dvs: Delete things, remove the entry in the grub config, and be happy. |
| 02:45.44 | dvs | norton: Or you can get the catalog over the internet if you have a fast connection. |
| 02:45.55 | norton | dvs, ok. |
| 02:46.02 | Draconicus | It's for home use. Relax. |
| 02:46.06 | dvs | Draconicus: I prefer "dpkg -P kernel-image-xxxx" ;-) |
| 02:46.09 | empty | Draconicus, apt-get --purge remove kernel-image-foo and be happier |
| 02:46.10 | Draconicus | My only concern is that it works for me. |
| 02:46.47 | norton | but, at the top of the sources.list file, there is a file:///cdrom/ sarge main entry. Which doesnt seem to work. But after putting in the cds and let the setup add them to the list, it lists them as unstable, not sarge, why? |
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| 02:47.15 | empty | AFK to play with my kid :) |
| 02:47.20 | dvs | norton: On the CD, stable, unstable, testing and frozen all point to the sarge directory. |
| 02:47.29 | karsten | Is there a way to get vim to show special characters? I'm using it as an editor in knode, and get some random crap usually associated with tabs. |
| 02:47.30 | norton | aha ok |
| 02:47.35 | karsten | ...and I'd like to delete those. |
| 02:47.41 | norton | dvs, thanks! |
| 02:47.48 | dvs | norton: No problem |
| 02:47.57 | Draconicus | The biggest thing with a prebuilt kernel is that it is a lot bulkier and may not cover things needed for your system. It also lacks any and all customization, at times giving you that of whoever built the original, and at others giving limiting defaults. |
| 02:48.34 | karsten | Looks as if it's ASCI 302 or 240. |
| 02:48.35 | Cyano-Mobile | what device under /dev does alsa sound use? |
| 02:48.42 | initech | Draconicus: oh god, whatever |
| 02:48.47 | dvs | Cyano-Mobile: /dev/snd/... |
| 02:50.23 | concept10_ | Could someone recommend a good wireless network tool for GNOME |
| 02:51.05 | Cyano-Mobile | dvs: thanks |
| 02:51.14 | dvs | Cyano-Mobile: No problem |
| 02:51.20 | lampshade | karsten: might want to try #vim |
| 02:51.40 | lampshade | those people can usually give 10 answers to each question I have about vim lol |
| 02:51.51 | tcsetattr | karsten, what makes you think vim is hiding any special characters? it doesn't do that. |
| 02:51.56 | jasoncohen | concept10_, the network-admin tool isn't bad if you just are using WEP |
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| 02:52.18 | Cyano-Mobile | dvs: are all the files under /dev/snd for alsa drivers? |
| 02:52.38 | lampshade | wireless, imho, is one of the biggest problems with Linux. I wish I could code, then I would just make some awesome stuff. |
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| 02:53.35 | concept10_ | jasoncohen, I use that. Im looking for something that shows the different detected wireless networks |
| 02:53.45 | Xenguy | karsten: it's something like :listchar (?) |
| 02:54.37 | Xenguy | karsten: well anyway... :he listchars |
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| 02:57.29 | karsten | Xenguy: Danke. |
| 02:57.39 | ezili | i'm getting a bunch of error messages from apt-get update |
| 02:57.45 | rocksolid | concept10_: like http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/ ? |
| 02:57.59 | netcat | karsten: You might want to copy some of the output to a file and then use a hexeditor on it to find out the value of the characters you are having problems with. |
| 02:58.02 | ezili | [hello! oops| i've got issues with sources.list. |
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| 02:58.51 | netcat | karsten: You could then use a "search and replace" filter by using tr or something similar... |
| 02:58.55 | epsilon | where can I find HOWOT for secure setup of Apache+CGI? |
| 02:59.00 | epsilon | TO |
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| 02:59.31 | concept10_ | rocksolid, thats EXACTLY what I was looking for but I forgot the name. Thanks alot. |
| 02:59.58 | karsten | netcat: Point. |
| 03:00.11 | karsten | netcat: I did an 'od -c' within the file itself. |
| 03:00.30 | mdh | karsten: you can also run vim -b |
| 03:00.44 | ethics | if i have a cdrom in a drive and i want to make it an iso is that mkisofs? |
| 03:01.05 | netcat | ethics: use dd |
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| 03:01.26 | ethics | net cool |
| 03:01.32 | cat-dog | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 03:01.33 | cat-dog | device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy) |
| 03:01.33 | cat-dog | The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
| 03:01.38 | cat-dog | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 03:01.39 | cat-dog | device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy) |
| 03:01.39 | cat-dog | The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
| 03:01.40 | felipe_ | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=youriso.iso |
| 03:01.48 | cat-dog | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 03:01.49 | cat-dog | device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy) |
| 03:01.49 | cat-dog | The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
| 03:01.49 | cat-dog | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 03:01.49 | netcat | ethics: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/tmp/cdimage.iso |
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| 03:02.02 | smo_ | how can i run a .jnlp file?? |
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| 03:02.43 | cat-dog | i am sorry |
| 03:02.49 | karsten | !tell cat-dog about flood |
| 03:02.52 | karsten | !tell cat-dog about paster |
| 03:03.01 | cat-dog | it is because of my keyboard |
| 03:03.05 | Xenguy | karsten: yw |
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| 03:03.11 | mdh | !topicsmite cat-dog |
| 03:03.12 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cat-dog. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:03.25 | cat-dog | i am very sorry |
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| 03:03.36 | cat-dog | i am not going to ...... |
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| 03:03.44 | Xenguy | cat-dog: damn, and I was going to lart you too ;-) |
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| 03:04.46 | mdh | cat-dog: your problem there is probably something like esd or whatever has your sound card and you're trying to run something that isn't confiugred to use esd |
| 03:05.38 | ethics | netcat, bewdiful....now thas prettymuch as raw as the drive can be read yeah |
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| 03:06.06 | cat-dog | my computer was shutdown because the electric cut off suddenly |
| 03:06.29 | cat-dog | then i power it on ,problem comes out |
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| 03:07.59 | ethics | cat-dog alsaconf as root |
| 03:08.09 | cat-dog | ok |
| 03:08.19 | bwlang | I have a line on a big alpha system (ES40 8cpu 32G ram) ... how well will linux run on this type of system? |
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| 03:08.47 | ethics | try a player after its run check alsamixer isnt muted after also |
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| 03:10.08 | cat-dog | ethics: good info.! |
| 03:10.29 | cmihai | For getting vmware tools, what would you reccomand: (don't say qemu) get the rpm && use alien to make a .deb, or get the tgz and install it "by hand" ?! |
| 03:10.44 | cmihai | Erm. I mean, vmware, not vmware tools. |
| 03:10.54 | bob2 | I'd recommend telling vmware that you would like a .deb |
| 03:11.08 | cmihai | That would be nice also. |
| 03:11.12 | bob2 | getting the rpm seems kinda silly, tho |
| 03:11.21 | bob2 | just install it to /usr/local/whateva/ |
| 03:11.24 | bwlang | cmihai: tgz... they have a pretty good installer/uninstaller - it's my one exception to my no unpackaged software rule |
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| 03:12.10 | cmihai | bwlang: all righty, thanks. Had that "everything packaged" obsession myself so.... Kind of thought I'd convert it with alien :) |
| 03:12.38 | krezel | TiMiDo: Do you have an iPod Photo? It sounded like it earlier |
| 03:13.07 | TiMiDo | naw |
| 03:13.11 | krezel | darn |
| 03:13.15 | krezel | any sort of iPod? |
| 03:13.16 | TiMiDo | i'm to cheap |
| 03:14.12 | krezel | I can get the darn thing to mount, but I can't get songs onto it. GNUPod claims to have added it but the song doesn't show up on the iPod. And I don't think Rhythmbox even recognizes that its there |
| 03:14.18 | edugcj | im installing debian sarge netinst, and i have a adsl connection that needs logins and password, how do i configure the debian to connect and download the files |
| 03:15.27 | edugcj | is that possible: |
| 03:15.28 | edugcj | ? |
| 03:15.52 | krezel | aha! gtkpod to the rescue |
| 03:15.53 | empty | edugcj, /msg dpkg pppoe |
| 03:16.47 | empty | edugcj, might be in Expert install mode I don't know- is it an internal card or external router? |
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| 03:17.23 | edugcj | empty a externel adsl router |
| 03:17.44 | cat-dog | nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 this is my sound card |
| 03:18.36 | karsten | Xenguy: It's definitley \240 (octal). |
| 03:18.37 | empty | edugcj, so from the POV of your machine it is probably just ethernet |
| 03:18.44 | karsten | Xenguy: ...WRT the vi / knode issue. |
| 03:18.49 | TiMiDo | karsten: installed gtkpod |
| 03:18.51 | TiMiDo | do you have it? |
| 03:18.54 | TiMiDo | by the way |
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| 03:18.57 | karsten | TiMiDo: ?? |
| 03:19.00 | edugcj | empty right |
| 03:19.09 | empty | edugcj, so it should work fine |
| 03:19.21 | karsten | TiMiDo: s/karsten/krezel/ ? |
| 03:20.03 | edugcj | empty you mean apt-get install pppoe ? |
| 03:20.25 | empty | edugcj, no you don't need it actually, should just work in your setup I think |
| 03:20.40 | TiMiDo | krezel: sorry *(:D |
| 03:20.47 | empty | edugcj, unless you need to enter the PW on your computer all the time |
| 03:21.00 | edugcj | empty pw? |
| 03:21.04 | empty | password |
| 03:21.16 | TiMiDo | grrrrr it was krezel nickname karsten my mistake |
| 03:21.31 | edugcj | empty can you give me the steps to do this? becouse when i try to install the netinst i cant, it stops becouse cant download grep |
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| 03:22.00 | empty | edugcj, when you turn your windows box on does it just work? |
| 03:22.09 | krezel | TiMiDo: Yep, I'm using gtkpod and its going much better |
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| 03:22.33 | empty | edugcj, or do you have some widget you have to enter a username and password into before it gets internet connection? |
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| 03:23.10 | TiMiDo | krezel: is it |
| 03:23.11 | TiMiDo | ? |
| 03:23.19 | edugcj | empty no, i think you didnt understand the problem, i am installing debian now, i did not have it before, and during the installation i need access to internet to download some parts of the installation |
| 03:23.32 | krezel | I think |
| 03:23.37 | edugcj | empty i have to enter a login and pass |
| 03:23.56 | empty | edugcj, I understand now but sadly I don't have the answer for you |
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| 03:24.14 | edugcj | empty ok. tnx for trying to help :) |
| 03:24.39 | empty | edugcj, Sorry :( Maybe try internet connection sharing from your windows box just tog et installed? |
| 03:25.00 | edugcj | empty yes but i dont have a rj45 here now ahuhue |
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| 03:25.24 | edugcj | empty i have just one, and i need 2 hueh |
| 03:25.34 | edugcj | unlucky :( |
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| 03:26.01 | seba | per accident I delete an imporante .txt file, there are some tool thar allow me to recovery it? |
| 03:26.27 | geordie | edugcj: try entering the ip your windows box gets when it is time for your debian install to configure the network and plug debian box into the dsl modem |
| 03:26.53 | paivakil | seba: what filesystem you are using? |
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| 03:27.06 | seba | paivakil: ext2 |
| 03:27.30 | edugcj | geordie i think it will not work couse i have to enter my login and password to get a ip |
| 03:28.23 | kevin_ | empty: would it help if he could borrow a router until he gets it done? |
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| 03:29.34 | kevin_ | I am only asking, I hold no answers |
| 03:29.47 | geordie | edugcj: boot your windows box, get the ip, set up your debian box as a static ip providing the ip your isp just gave you, plug the debian box into the dsl modem, and see if it works |
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| 03:30.19 | edugcj | geordie but my ip is not static! |
| 03:30.29 | paivakil | Seba there is `recover' |
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| 03:30.44 | paivakil | seba: apt-get install recover |
| 03:30.46 | cat-dog | heyhey !!! my sound card works now!!!! yeah!!! |
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| 03:31.36 | kevin_ | yes, they are good with helping here if you follow what they say (myself and I included) |
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| 03:31.54 | helix | cat-dog: yay |
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| 03:32.10 | geordie | edugcj: that will matter only to your debian box - it won't try to get an ip from your isp - it will start connecting from that ip, which your isp just issued |
| 03:32.30 | cat-dog | helix: i am very happy to fix this BIG problem |
| 03:32.39 | helix | cat-dog: heh, I bet. congrats :) |
| 03:32.41 | tjs | I cant find a debhelper lib for chmoding dirs? and dh_installdirs has no support for permissions? |
| 03:32.54 | magyar | why when i "ls -l" in ssh session the display is black and white, but when i "sudo" "ls -l" is coloured? |
| 03:33.02 | edugcj | geordie so brb |
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| 03:33.09 | geordie | good luck |
| 03:33.13 | xam | helix: isn't it your 18th birthday soon or did i miss it |
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| 03:33.21 | helix | you missed it |
| 03:33.24 | helix | it was in 1998 |
| 03:33.40 | cat-dog | i can play mix sound now! |
| 03:33.45 | xam | damn, happy birthday anyways! |
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| 03:34.03 | kevin_ | hehe the news is on and they are reporting the major drug busts around here today |
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| 03:34.31 | mdh | kevin_: they obviously haven't found you yet ;) |
| 03:34.37 | kevin_ | lol |
| 03:34.55 | xam | helix I'm mixing up gils ... happens to me all the time :-/ |
| 03:35.00 | mdh | unless yo're irc'ing from Bubba's lap ;) |
| 03:35.04 | kevin_ | not me, probly the only one in my building not to touch it |
| 03:35.13 | kevin_ | nope lol |
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| 03:35.24 | w1gg3r | i'm installing sarge and wanna checkout debianpure. anyone know where I can get the install script from? do i have to get the whole cd image to do a netinstall? |
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| 03:35.33 | quitte | the sarge netinstaller refuses to create reiserfs. wtf? |
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| 03:36.11 | mousex | quick question: does a debian system need to have an MTA (eg, exim4) running, or is it safe to remove it from /etc/init.d??? |
| 03:36.35 | deadcat | mousex: doesnt hurt |
| 03:36.52 | mousex | deadcat: so, why is it installed by default? |
| 03:37.07 | kevin_ | well it is time for bed!! 6 AM comes too derned early good night all and I will see you tomorrow |
| 03:37.08 | deadcat | mousex: because it delivers system mails like error |
| 03:37.09 | w1gg3r | mousex, you probably wont get system mail messages though |
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| 03:37.26 | bucky | kevin_, that's nothing... they just had Jeffrey Merkey on FOX here saying why some guy smoking peyote from a rival Native American Church is ruining things for everyone |
| 03:37.32 | quitte | is there a debian installer known to be able to create reiserfs? |
| 03:37.33 | mousex | I never even read the system messeges I get . . . |
| 03:37.46 | deadcat | mousex: then what you waiting for . |
| 03:37.54 | xam | helix: so you're two years younger as me then ... |
| 03:38.00 | mousex | deadcat, w1gg3r, thanks . . . |
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| 03:38.05 | mousex | xam: long no seen |
| 03:38.11 | helix | men that can count are such a turn on, xam |
| 03:38.15 | mdh | bucky: they televised him? |
| 03:38.24 | carson | how do i fix this? ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration. |
| 03:38.25 | Wyzard | quitte: The sarge installer supports reiserfs |
| 03:38.31 | bucky | yup.. a red headed guy with a short beard |
| 03:38.38 | bucky | messy hair |
| 03:38.47 | deadcat | someone having the same bday as me? |
| 03:38.48 | xam | yeah, I remember you ;) |
| 03:38.58 | Shorty` | carson, configuration error in your config file I'd say.. |
| 03:39.00 | carson | i did check my configuration, fwiw. i don't see anything wrong. |
| 03:39.01 | krezel | TiMiDo: Any details on how to get gtkam working with the ipod photo? |
| 03:39.24 | quitte | Wyzard: not the official netinstall i just downloaded and burned. ext3 worked. for reiser i get a red box. when i mkreiserfs manually i get cannot stat or something like that. |
| 03:39.29 | mdh | bucky: he's a very funny man |
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| 03:39.36 | deadcat | krezel: cant you just mount the ipod as a drive? |
| 03:39.42 | mousex | deadcat: I had finals, if that counts as a bad day . . . |
| 03:39.47 | bucky | mdh, it was amazing how normal he seemed on tv |
| 03:40.06 | xam | helix: go screw someone else that is desperate ;) |
| 03:40.13 | deadcat | mousex: stop being a bitch. just finals. (= |
| 03:40.16 | Wyzard | quitte: I've done it, so I know it works... what was the error message? |
| 03:40.25 | mousex | !annoy deadcat |
| 03:40.30 | bucky | mdh, i think all his crap on merkeylaw.com is a satire |
| 03:40.52 | quitte | Stat of the device /dev/hda2 failed |
| 03:40.59 | mdh | bucky: me too. see all the advertising on the site? I think he's just after page hits |
| 03:41.16 | mdh | he's got more money than he knows what to do with |
| 03:41.47 | deadcat | sarge has been out for almost a month and we still waiting for xorg to be in experimental? dang. |
| 03:41.59 | bucky | mdh, it a fedora apache test page now |
| 03:42.12 | bob2 | deadcat: gravity tried to upload it the other night |
| 03:42.27 | bob2 | deadcat: but it screwed up, and now ftp-master is moving |
| 03:42.35 | deadcat | doh. |
| 03:42.42 | mousex | how come not many sid packages have entered testing yet? |
| 03:42.51 | deadcat | bob2: the upload screwed up or the package? |
| 03:42.59 | bob2 | deadcat: upload |
| 03:43.02 | Wyzard | quitte: And "mke2fs -j /dev/hda2" works? |
| 03:43.04 | deadcat | cool hehe |
| 03:43.23 | reamtS | what package is 'lsmod, modprobe, rmmod ...' in? |
| 03:43.31 | bucky | mdh, sorry http://www.merkeylaw.com if you go to http://merkeylaw.com it's a fedora apache test page |
| 03:43.31 | tcsetattr | module-init-tools |
| 03:43.33 | bob2 | reamtS: module-init-tools |
| 03:43.37 | bob2 | for 2.6, anyway |
| 03:43.38 | reamtS | thx bob |
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| 03:45.10 | quitte | Wyzard: no, but /dev/ide/.... worked. it worked with reiser,too. strange did that earlier,too |
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| 03:46.01 | Rockret | what command release one IP and get new IP using connection with DHCP server ? |
| 03:46.04 | bucky | mdh, i don't see any adverts on http://www.merkeylaw.com |
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| 03:47.02 | bucky | mdh, netcraft says www.merkeylaw.com is hosted by Off Campus Tele Communications... i called them and they didn't even know merkey had a server on the network |
| 03:47.32 | bucky | mdh Off Campus Tele Communications is a phone card company for Brigham Young University students |
| 03:47.53 | nuix | In vim, which variable stores the name of current file ? |
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| 03:48.22 | deadcat | nuix: %f ? |
| 03:48.40 | Epod69 | hey, does anyone know how to make java use alsa for its sound, I am using firefox for my browser |
| 03:48.50 | Rockret | does anyone knows what command release one IP and get new IP using connection with DHCP server ? |
| 03:48.55 | deadcat | nuix: nevermind. no clue. |
| 03:49.17 | deadcat | Rockret: dhclient? i dont get your q. |
| 03:49.41 | Xenguy | nuix: % |
| 03:49.54 | nuix | deadcat, thanx |
| 03:49.54 | nuix | deadcat, how can i show it in vim? |
| 03:50.07 | Rockret | yes I am .. dhclient |
| 03:50.20 | Epod69 | Rockret, then just type dhclient... |
| 03:50.22 | deadcat | nuix: this is what i have: imap \fn <C-R>=expand("%:t:r")<CR> |
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| 03:51.03 | Epod69 | Rockret, i like to use dhcpcd myself |
| 03:51.20 | Rockret | ok |
| 03:51.24 | Rockret | let me try |
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| 03:52.27 | nano_ | hello, i just symbolic link to directories, is there any way to unlink them? |
| 03:52.34 | Epod69 | yea, just type dhclient..thats debians default dhcp handler, but if you wanted to use dhcpcd, download it from packages.debian.org first, or you will have no internet conection if you do it from apt-get because it will remove dhclient |
| 03:52.37 | deadcat | nano_: rm |
| 03:53.07 | nano_ | deadcat: so the files will be gone? |
| 03:53.16 | deadcat | nano_: the sym link will be gone |
| 03:53.26 | nano_ | deadcat: ok |
| 03:53.36 | cat-dog | <Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon> wonderful Chinese KongFu ! |
| 03:53.49 | deadcat | cat-dog: no it suck. |
| 03:54.01 | deadcat | cat-dog: hella fake |
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| 03:55.15 | audian | Hello.. can somone help me? I have a ton of things I can't figure out lol |
| 03:55.22 | cat-dog | It discribes the most of Chinese KongFu |
| 03:55.24 | deadcat | audian: /topic |
| 03:55.31 | cat-dog | very wonderful! |
| 03:55.49 | mwilson | audian: Only if you actually plan on telling someone what you think you're having trouble with. |
| 03:55.54 | mdh | Kong Fu? Is that some kind of martial art involving oversized primates? |
| 03:55.56 | deadcat | cat-dog: i dont have the patient to watch the entire thing but the trailer proved to me it sucked. |
| 03:56.01 | nuix | deadcat, i want to retrieve the current file name and use auto and mksession to save a session corresponding to the file |
| 03:56.22 | mwilson | deadcat: What sucked? |
| 03:56.24 | nuix | deadcat, but i dont know how to get the current name in vimrc |
| 03:56.26 | deadcat | nuix: try #vim, vim syntax is bad. |
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| 03:56.32 | audian | mwilson: I can't figure out how to install the ATI drivers.. and I also can't figure how to install xchat |
| 03:57.11 | mwilson | audian: The ATI drivers have documentation, and Debian packages xchat. |
| 03:57.14 | deadcat | audian: apt-get install xchat |
| 03:57.15 | cat-dog | how many chinese movie did you watch ? deadcat ? |
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| 03:57.21 | skydeath | hi |
| 03:57.28 | audian | deadcat: I tried that but it didn't work |
| 03:57.30 | deadcat | cat-dog: loads. i am chinese (= |
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| 03:57.47 | audian | mwilson: i read most of the docs I could find but I am a real linux noob, I can't seem to figure it out |
| 03:57.56 | myren | i really wish i knew what i did to this laptop; final fantasy tactics is running beautifully |
| 03:57.58 | skydeath | i need information |
| 03:58.02 | skydeath | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 03:58.05 | skydeath | not working |
| 03:58.06 | skydeath | ? |
| 03:58.11 | mwilson | skydeath: /topic |
| 03:58.18 | myren | crist, its running better than the playstation ever did |
| 03:58.19 | mwilson | skydeath: Documented to death. |
| 03:58.26 | nuix | deadcat, thanx |
| 03:58.33 | mwilson | skydeath: Announced for weeks before. |
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| 03:58.47 | skydeath | hm |
| 03:58.51 | Rockret | where I can put this command to load everytime that run linux ? ( ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 03:58.51 | Rockret | " |
| 03:59.05 | jdhutchin1 | Rockret, /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 03:59.14 | mdh | I like chinese, I like chinese, they come from a long way overseas |
| 03:59.24 | cat-dog | deadcat: you mean you are chinese ? |
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| 03:59.26 | mdh | but they're cute and they're cuddly and they're ready to please |
| 03:59.35 | deadcat | cat-dog: yes. but that movie still suck |
| 03:59.50 | skydeath | mwilson they had taken off in unstable ? |
| 03:59.51 | audian | Why didn't it work when I used apt-get install xchat? |
| 04:00.16 | cat-dog | deadcat: well ,you are chinese ?i am not sure about it ,where do you live ? |
| 04:00.52 | skydeath | mwilson ? |
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| 04:01.00 | deadcat | cat-dog: how can you be sure? want me to come over to your place and speak chinse to you? |
| 04:01.19 | sith-R2D2 | question -what is the best media player i can get for debian? mplayer? i want to be able to play realaudio streams/files too |
| 04:01.33 | Rockret | in debian 3.1 , how to setup to turn off computer no root password ? |
| 04:01.44 | cat-dog | i seems to see you before in this channel |
| 04:01.51 | cmihai | mplayer && win32 codecs sith-R2D2.... there's an _un_official rep. for it. |
| 04:01.56 | Rockret | always request password |
| 04:01.56 | deadcat | !tell sith-R2D2 about marillat |
| 04:02.13 | skydeath | i read topic |
| 04:02.32 | myren | sith-R2D2: dont f'ck around with the word "best" in here; there is no one true way. i like totem. there's mplayer, xine, vlc too. |
| 04:02.32 | cat-dog | deadcat: nice ,nice meeting a chinese |
| 04:02.44 | skydeath | what running non-us in stable our unstable is not ? |
| 04:02.49 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you not chinese...your white 6'8'' and skinny |
| 04:02.50 | myren | but you'll need the win32 codecs no matter what |
| 04:02.58 | deadcat | cat-dog: why? you've never talked to a chinese before? |
| 04:03.07 | sith-R2D2 | if you're chinese |
| 04:03.12 | sith-R2D2 | what did you eat for dinner? |
| 04:03.13 | sith-R2D2 | deadcat? |
| 04:03.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: shhh (= he thinks hes talking to a chinese |
| 04:03.24 | cat-dog | deadcat: yeah ,at least in this channel |
| 04:03.25 | deadcat | sith-R2D2: rice? |
| 04:03.30 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahhaha |
| 04:03.35 | sith-R2D2 | what else? |
| 04:03.42 | deadcat | sith-R2D2: fried rice? |
| 04:03.47 | skydeath | apt non-us |
| 04:03.47 | apt | i heard non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use \"deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free\" in sources.list. For testing or unstable, substitute \"testing\" or \"unstable\" for \"woody\". or if you want sources, then use the same line but with deb-src at the beginning instead ... |
| 04:03.47 | sith-R2D2 | you're not chinese |
| 04:03.56 | Epod69 | anyone know how to configure the sound of java / firefox to use alsa ? |
| 04:04.01 | magyar | is there a way to code HTML that will tell "cache servers" in the world to clear the cached page, like a page "serial number" ? |
| 04:04.04 | Shorty` | I thought non-us was defunct? |
| 04:04.13 | skydeath | apt he |
| 04:04.14 | apt | well, he is a deaf bastard, deaf people cannot make "hearing" music |
| 04:04.16 | skydeath | :) |
| 04:04.51 | Shorty` | ah |
| 04:04.51 | Shorty` | :P |
| 04:05.14 | deadcat | sith-R2D2: what do chinse people eat then? |
| 04:05.15 | Shorty` | anyway whats the easiest way to strip everything but the last line from stdin with bash, any ideas? |
| 04:05.27 | deadcat | sith-R2D2: won ton soup. i love it (= |
| 04:05.39 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: China express! DUHHHHH! |
| 04:05.52 | sith-R2D2 | deadcat, they eat rice, noodles, bread, vegetables, meats of all kinds of animals |
| 04:05.53 | trave11er | Shorty`: | tail -n 1 |
| 04:06.08 | mdh | sith-R2D2: hahaha :) |
| 04:06.13 | Shorty` | I tried that .. |
| 04:06.13 | sith-R2D2 | deadcat, but real chinese people don't eat chow mein and chop suey |
| 04:06.19 | trave11er | Shorty`: and? |
| 04:06.21 | Shorty` | gah. |
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| 04:06.25 | Shorty` | I did it slightly differently |
| 04:06.28 | TwistedEmotions | Wow... I still cant believe believe people go to that place... the food sucks.. |
| 04:06.29 | Shorty` | the idea was there though ;) |
| 04:06.31 | Shorty` | thanks guys |
| 04:06.37 | sith-R2D2 | deadcat, real chinese people don't eat general tso's chicken |
| 04:06.55 | TwistedEmotions | real chinese people dont eat humans.. |
| 04:06.59 | deadcat | sith-R2D2: what the hell is general tso? chop suey? |
| 04:07.09 | mdh | TwistedEmotions: but they would if we bred them for eating ;) |
| 04:07.10 | sith-R2D2 | deadcat, google it |
| 04:07.15 | audian | Ok... I got xchat to install.. it kept saying something about another process and wouldnt work.. reboot fixed that.. |
| 04:07.24 | TwistedEmotions | mdh: we do. |
| 04:07.50 | audian | Uhm.. still dont know what to do about the ATI drivers though. It sounds all confusing, what with the kernel and stuff |
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| 04:08.07 | sith-R2D2 | question - if i add marillat to my sources.lst, will my stable install be harmed by the "unofficial" packages? |
| 04:08.30 | deadcat | sith-R2D2: yes. |
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| 04:08.33 | mdh | cheung ta ma |
| 04:08.49 | mdh | that's one of the only things I learned to say in cantonese |
| 04:09.02 | mdh | oh, and fung pi |
| 04:09.19 | deadcat | mdh: what the hell are those? |
| 04:09.27 | deadcat | mdh: learned or made up? (= |
| 04:09.40 | mdh | learned, I used to work in a computer store owned by chinese people |
| 04:09.46 | bucky | ang moh |
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| 04:10.01 | mdh | the boss would use "fung pi" a lot on the phone, particularly when talking to his suppliers |
| 04:10.08 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you can rm the movies when you done downloading. |
| 04:10.13 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: seriously stop faking your chinese... your making me angry... im gonna call the man on you... |
| 04:10.18 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: will do ;) |
| 04:10.22 | mdh | and he'd get particularly angry and agitated ;) |
| 04:10.24 | deadcat | hahah |
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| 04:10.56 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: oh. thats mandarin. |
| 04:11.07 | cmihai | What's wrong with fakeing being chinese? Sounds better than faking a texan... |
| 04:11.17 | deadcat | hahah. |
| 04:11.29 | mdh | I joke I'm asian all the time |
| 04:11.35 | TwistedEmotions | YEEEEEEEhhhhaaaaa....! |
| 04:11.40 | deadcat | i am chinese. and my name is boris |
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| 04:11.50 | mdh | I like the food, I'll go in for karaoke, and my gf actually is asian |
| 04:11.50 | sith-R2D2 | deadcat, why would my stable installation but harmed by using marillat packages? |
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| 04:12.04 | sith-R2D2 | nobody but white people use linux |
| 04:12.07 | deadcat | sith-R2D2: because its not part of debian? define harm |
| 04:12.09 | sith-R2D2 | i never see black people using linux |
| 04:12.16 | sith-R2D2 | i never seen hispanics using debian |
| 04:12.22 | krezel | haha |
| 04:12.22 | TwistedEmotions | I like the food, hate the people and eat the children. |
| 04:12.22 | sith-R2D2 | maybe i've seen some indians using linux |
| 04:12.25 | deadcat | sith-R2D2: you've never been to the linuxworldexpo then |
| 04:12.47 | sith-R2D2 | deadcat, what kind of people go to linuxworldexpo? |
| 04:12.48 | TwistedEmotions | sith-R2D2: Is being dumb a talent or did you have to work at it? |
| 04:12.54 | sith-R2D2 | TwistedEmotions, i was born that way |
| 04:12.59 | deadcat | sith-R2D2: all kind |
| 04:13.00 | kobs | sad |
| 04:13.02 | gentleman | I need to get Java Virtual Machine 1.4 on my Sarge AMD64 box. How do I do that? |
| 04:13.04 | TwistedEmotions | sith-R2D2: good man. |
| 04:13.34 | mdh | gentleman: apt-get install java-package |
| 04:13.35 | TwistedEmotions | hes a virgin |
| 04:13.41 | sith-R2D2 | :( |
| 04:13.43 | krezel | haha |
| 04:13.47 | krezel | Truth hurts I guess |
| 04:13.51 | mdh | touched for the very first time |
| 04:13.57 | sith-R2D2 | at least i don't have std's like u |
| 04:13.58 | sith-R2D2 | haha |
| 04:14.08 | gentleman | I tried that, it says version 1.1.5 and 1.1 |
| 04:14.16 | TwistedEmotions | dude... i use a antivirus... |
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| 04:14.28 | myren | you really know how to get yourself into trouble kid |
| 04:14.35 | mdh | sith-R2D2: I stopped having std's after I got a mobile phone |
| 04:14.43 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
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| 04:15.04 | sith-R2D2 | one day i'll be surrounded by hot chicks |
| 04:15.10 | sith-R2D2 | YES |
| 04:15.21 | mdh | gentleman: java-package contains some tools to build .deb's from upstream j2sdks |
| 04:15.21 | TwistedEmotions | sith-R2D2: and the day before hell will freeze over.. |
| 04:15.21 | myren | go back to efnet please |
| 04:15.23 | sith-R2D2 | but it won't be because of my linux skills |
| 04:15.43 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: he must be one of those geeks you see on that tv show (= |
| 04:15.49 | beardy | skillz please. |
| 04:15.58 | mdh | deadcat: revenge of the nerds? |
| 04:16.02 | deadcat | sith-R2D2: because you have a fucking huge cock and you can please any chick. |
| 04:16.02 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahhahahhaa |
| 04:16.18 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ;( Connection timed out ;P |
| 04:16.22 | krezel | anybody know of an id3 editor that supports album art? |
| 04:16.29 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: 208.53.138.238 |
| 04:16.38 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: let me cehck. |
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| 04:17.31 | smoked1 | What firewall software runs best on Debian? Iptables? |
| 04:17.37 | deadcat | smoked1: ya |
| 04:17.55 | audian | Whats Iptables? Should I get it? |
| 04:17.57 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hmm. you know why? |
| 04:18.01 | sith-R2D2 | it's already in there |
| 04:18.07 | sith-R2D2 | you just have to set it up |
| 04:18.11 | j_k | audian: chances are you have it already. |
| 04:18.12 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ;( Movies got busted ;( |
| 04:18.19 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: oh shit. |
| 04:18.27 | TwistedEmotions | I'm guessing |
| 04:18.27 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you kidding me right? |
| 04:18.29 | sith-R2D2 | smoked1, use bastille to set it up...it's the easy way for a new user |
| 04:18.34 | TwistedEmotions | either that or their down |
| 04:18.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: lets hope they are down. |
| 04:18.42 | sith-R2D2 | smoked1, apt-get install bastille, then run "InteractiveBastille" |
| 04:18.47 | audian | sith-R2D2: how do I set it up? |
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| 04:18.59 | sith-R2D2 | audian, www.bastille-linux.com :) |
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| 04:19.32 | sith-R2D2 | audian, people say you don' really need a personal firewall with debian tho...as long as you don't run services with open ports on your machine |
| 04:19.41 | sith-R2D2 | audian, but i guess running iptables doesn't hurt |
| 04:20.13 | krezel | I run a firewall on my machine, but thats because there are some services that I chose to run locally that I don't want available to others |
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| 04:20.49 | audian | sith-R2D2: Could you tell me how to install these ati drivers? im lost |
| 04:21.00 | mdh | I run a firewall on my machine, but that's because I don't trust myself, let alone others ;) |
| 04:21.05 | sith-R2D2 | audian, ATI drivers? you mean ATI as in graphics drivers? |
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| 04:21.10 | audian | Yeah |
| 04:21.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you got the sticker on the laptop? |
| 04:21.23 | audian | Is there an easy way to put names in, I hate typing it every time |
| 04:21.27 | sith-R2D2 | audian, usually it's "apt-get install <package name>" |
| 04:21.32 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: not yet.. |
| 04:21.38 | sith-R2D2 | audian, type the first few letters, then hit tab |
| 04:21.39 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: wow... my server sucks... |
| 04:21.59 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: why? what happen? |
| 04:22.00 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: all of http://www.fdcservers.net/ |
| 04:22.03 | TwistedEmotions | is down |
| 04:22.07 | deadcat | damn. |
| 04:22.07 | TwistedEmotions | they blow nuts.. |
| 04:22.09 | sith-R2D2 | are u still down? |
| 04:22.25 | TwistedEmotions | sith-R2D2: shhhhhh. Big people are talking |
| 04:22.27 | krezel | audian: make sure you have bash completion set up or else that won't work |
| 04:23.01 | deadcat | sith-R2D2: shhh. less talking more sucking (= |
| 04:23.52 | sith-R2D2 | TwistedEmotions, deadcat, why are you guys being mean to me? i would appreciate it if you stopped and started respecting me. just because i am younger and less experienced in linux does NOT give you the right to harass me. you should be ashamed of yourselves. |
| 04:24.04 | cmihai | Did anyone manage to install Alias|Maya on debian ? |
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| 04:24.16 | krezel | sith-R2D2: This is #debian. Its not know for friendly people :) |
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| 04:24.21 | audian | sith-R2D2, what would I type in apt-get? |
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| 04:24.30 | sith-R2D2 | audian, for the ATI drivers |
| 04:24.31 | sith-R2D2 | ? |
| 04:24.35 | audian | sith-R2D2, yeah |
| 04:24.51 | sith-R2D2 | audian, i don't have an ATI so i dunno...try googling for apt-get and ATI |
| 04:24.53 | deadcat | sith-R2D2: krezel is right. (= |
| 04:24.54 | sith-R2D2 | soryr |
| 04:24.59 | audian | sith-R2D2, k |
| 04:25.06 | mdh | cmihai: no |
| 04:25.26 | cmihai | mdh: I mean after actually _trying_ to do so :) |
| 04:25.29 | kadigibox | hello everyone. Here is a quicky. I thought I installed all that I needed for starting x but x does not start so could someone just tell me what basic things I should apt-get install to actualy need x to run? |
| 04:25.38 | mdh | cmihai: it was build against Redshat Linux and segfaults |
| 04:25.49 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: how $ is the parking permit? gonna get one tomorrow |
| 04:25.50 | cmihai | mdh: yes, I know :) |
| 04:25.51 | Bac9 | kadigibox: xdm/gdm/kdm? |
| 04:26.00 | ttick | kadigibox: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 04:26.02 | TwistedEmotions | sith-R2D2: I should in no shape, way or form feel bad as you are ignorant... and you will be made in fun of as far as I am concerned... the bit about "chinese" people are enough for me to clown you ;) |
| 04:26.09 | cmihai | Same problem :(. But RHEL ..sucks. |
| 04:26.12 | TwistedEmotions | *should I feel bad... |
| 04:26.14 | Bac9 | kadigibox: and x-system-core (I believe) |
| 04:26.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: 20$? |
| 04:26.18 | ttick | kadigibox: then just type: /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 04:26.30 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nice. and lets make fun of sith-R2D2 (= |
| 04:26.56 | cmihai | Well, I hope I can get it working without segfaults... I'd hate to be stuck using RHEL ... |
| 04:27.09 | audian | When I try to run the gui installer from ATI.com it says permission denied.. why? |
| 04:27.11 | TwistedEmotions | sith-R2D2: less complaining... more blowing. |
| 04:27.21 | mdh | cmihai: you could run it in a chroot |
| 04:27.26 | TwistedEmotions | audian: try running as root? |
| 04:27.35 | audian | TwistedEmotions, you mean "su" ? |
| 04:27.40 | audian | TwistedEmotions, sorry im new =P |
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| 04:27.49 | cmihai | mdh: you mean install rhel in a chroot... hm... |
| 04:27.50 | beardy | audian: You probably have to be root. |
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| 04:28.01 | beardy | audian: Yes, su. |
| 04:28.02 | TwistedEmotions | audian: sudo |
| 04:28.08 | dbeal | what'd he say about chinese |
| 04:28.11 | Bac9 | audian: isn't the radeon driver in X good enough? or what do you want? |
| 04:28.14 | audian | TwistedEmotions, I am but it still doesn't work |
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| 04:28.22 | mdh | cmihai: you don't have to install the whoel thing, just the dependencies maya wants |
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| 04:28.36 | audian | Bac9, Well, when I installed debian i chose ati when it asked but it wouldn't load up |
| 04:28.46 | audian | Bac9, So i used.. uh vesu.. i think it was called |
| 04:28.48 | mdh | cmihai: I'm retty sure you could just grab the rpms needed and use debian's rpm to install them into your chroot |
| 04:28.55 | mdh | then chroot into it :) |
| 04:29.08 | dbeal | <sith-R2D2> maybe i've seen some indians using linux |
| 04:29.14 | dbeal | <sith-R2D2> i never see black people using linux |
| 04:29.18 | dbeal | <sith-R2D2> i never seen hispanics using debian |
| 04:29.20 | TwistedEmotions | hahahhaha |
| 04:29.21 | cmihai | mdh: Thanks for the idea. Not pretty sure on how to do that, but that's what google is for. I'll try && see :) |
| 04:29.23 | sith-R2D2 | TwistedEmotions, actually, my mother is chinese...and those comments about chinese people eating humans and cats was offensive to me. i didn't want to reveal my ethnicity because i wanted to see what kind of people you were. and i saw. and i was offended that you were insensitive about who chinese people really are. |
| 04:29.31 | dbeal | <sith-R2D2> nobody but white people use linux |
| 04:29.31 | sith-R2D2 | dbeal, it's true. i've only seen white people using linux. |
| 04:29.37 | krezel | Linux: The OS for White Power |
| 04:29.37 | kadigibox | thanks for the help |
| 04:29.42 | audian | lmao |
| 04:29.43 | sith-R2D2 | dbeal, according to MY world view |
| 04:29.47 | Bac9 | audian: vesa is the lowest common denominator, try the radeon driver for most recent ati cards |
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| 04:29.58 | TwistedEmotions | sith-R2D2: are you dumb? Look at all those quotes by dbeal.. |
| 04:30.03 | deadcat | sith-R2D2: i have a feeling you hate chinese? |
| 04:30.05 | Gooser | ? |
| 04:30.08 | krezel | Linux: Higher performance, so you can hate more efficiently |
| 04:30.13 | audian | Bac9, What do you mean, try? I am trying to install drivers off ati.com if thats what you mean |
| 04:30.16 | sith-R2D2 | deadcat, my MOM is chinese! |
| 04:30.18 | sith-R2D2 | jeez |
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| 04:30.21 | sith-R2D2 | you jerks |
| 04:30.33 | TwistedEmotions | and as far as chinese people eating humans and cats... deadcat are my aunt and my cat.. so theres first hand proof |
| 04:30.38 | mdh | sith-R2D2: you hate your mom? |
| 04:30.45 | audian | Bac9, But I can't get their gui installer to work, when I try to run it, it says I dont have permission |
| 04:30.47 | sith-R2D2 | can we just talk about debian? |
| 04:30.50 | deadcat | sith-R2D2: maybe you hate your momsy |
| 04:30.51 | Gooser | my cat died!11 |
| 04:30.53 | sith-R2D2 | :( |
| 04:31.00 | krezel | aww we made sith-R2D2 sad |
| 04:31.04 | Bac9 | audian: I mean change the config |
| 04:31.05 | cmihai | Gooser: was it tasty ? |
| 04:31.17 | Gooser | didn't make it |
| 04:31.18 | deadcat | krezel: fuck that. lets make him cry |
| 04:31.24 | TwistedEmotions | Gooser: did deadcat eat it? |
| 04:31.26 | audian | Bac9, To use the ATI driver already with debian? |
| 04:31.31 | krezel | I wonder what cat tastes like |
| 04:31.39 | Gooser | he may have |
| 04:31.40 | cmihai | krezel: taste like chicken. |
| 04:31.43 | mdh | krezel: chicken |
| 04:31.49 | krezel | Everything tastes like chicken |
| 04:31.51 | cmihai | Ever got a fortune cookie that said: This wasn't chicken ?! |
| 04:31.54 | Bac9 | audian: are you good enough with any text editor, then edint /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 , if not then there's probably a way to reconfigure X but I don't recall the command |
| 04:32.00 | Gooser | i like to bbq with the skin / furr on |
| 04:32.01 | Bac9 | audian: yep |
| 04:32.05 | krezel | When I become rich I'm going to genetically engineer a chicken that doesn't taste like chicken |
| 04:32.13 | nuix | sith-R2D2, mplayer can play realaudio streams/files if u have installed corresponding plugins |
| 04:32.17 | audian | Bac9, When I try that X wont load up, if thats the right way to say that |
| 04:32.19 | cmihai | krezel: and tastes like crap ? |
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| 04:32.34 | Bac9 | audian: and what do the logs say? what card is it anyway? |
| 04:32.38 | krezel | cmihai: Doesn't matter, as long as it doesn't taste like chicken. Its for the irony |
| 04:32.39 | audian | Bac9, It doesn't seem to detect my card with I use that |
| 04:32.49 | audian | Bac9, ATI x800pro pci-e |
| 04:33.02 | krezel | TwistedEmotions: Was it an asian? |
| 04:33.05 | sith-R2D2 | nuix, thanks...where can i read more about those plug-ins? the marillat website? |
| 04:33.10 | audian | Bac9, Dunno what the logs say.. if I do that ill have to reinstall debian again lol |
| 04:33.12 | Gooser | maybe we sould combiine a pumpkin pie and a chicken |
| 04:33.19 | TwistedEmotions | krezel: the cat or the human? |
| 04:33.28 | Gooser | meow |
| 04:33.31 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahah |
| 04:33.34 | deadcat | the cat |
| 04:33.40 | Bac9 | audian: donno, I'd guess radeon driver should detect it, but then again, by the way I hope the kernel loaded the driver too (kernel needs one as well as X) |
| 04:33.46 | vorlon | yes, one wonders why people are talking about eating cats instead of about Debian. |
| 04:33.47 | krezel | Maybe chickens that come pre-flavored. Like "ChickenBaja" for easy fajitas |
| 04:33.48 | cmihai | TwistedEmotions: well, I don't know about you.. |
| 04:33.54 | mdh | can't... type... laughing... too... hard.... |
| 04:34.02 | deadcat | vorlon: /topic |
| 04:34.03 | cmihai | but I'd rather eat a fine asian's pussy. Keep your cat and your human :) |
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| 04:34.13 | Bac9 | audian: you are best to ask someone who has a similar card to yours on here, maybe they'll be able to help |
| 04:34.17 | audian | Bac9, Im sure if I can just install these x drivers off ati.com ill be fine |
| 04:34.26 | krezel | audian: what card? |
| 04:34.29 | audian | Bac9, The thing is I can't get this .run file to seem to work |
| 04:34.37 | audian | krezel, x800pro pci-e |
| 04:34.47 | vorlon | deadcat: which part of the topic says "deadcat, please talk about cats"? |
| 04:34.48 | mdh | !ati |
| 04:34.48 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 04:34.49 | sith-R2D2 | mplayer users - is mplayer-686 the correct version to install if i'm running a celeron 2.4 GHz? |
| 04:34.50 | nuix | sith-R2D2, you can get it from the website of mplayer |
| 04:34.53 | Gooser | cmihai: good way to get the clap |
| 04:34.55 | krezel | I'm not that good with video cards. NVidia? |
| 04:35.02 | deadcat | vorlon: i guess they took it off |
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| 04:35.55 | Bac9 | audian: I fund that testing usually has pretty new drivers (maybe not overly cutting edge but good enough), but I am not the person to ask about ati cards |
| 04:35.58 | mdh | vorlon: fuck me, somebody even ate the cat out of the /topic! |
| 04:36.25 | audian | Bac9, Could you help with getting this file to run? |
| 04:36.31 | Bac9 | audian: listen to dpkg |
| 04:36.42 | krezel | I always had problems getting the ATI official drivers to work. |
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| 04:36.53 | mdh | !ati drivers |
| 04:36.53 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
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| 04:38.07 | smoked1 | when i run interactive bastile it says: Could not load the 'Tk.pm' interface module. |
| 04:38.08 | smoked1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.08 | smoked1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.08 | smoked1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.08 | smoked1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:38.26 | TwistedEmotions | genius. |
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| 04:38.34 | smoked1 | Damnit |
| 04:38.38 | smoked1 | sorry |
| 04:38.45 | TwistedEmotions | ;) #flood |
| 04:38.45 | sith-R2D2 | smoked1, you have to apt-get install some other stuff |
| 04:38.53 | karsten | !tell smoked1 about flood |
| 04:38.56 | sith-R2D2 | i think there is tcl.tk perl etc some other stuff |
| 04:38.58 | karsten | !tell smoked1 about paster |
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| 04:39.01 | deadcat | !moron smoked1 |
| 04:39.02 | dpkg | smoked1: You are moron #95 |
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| 04:39.11 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: shut up. |
| 04:39.16 | netics | hello |
| 04:39.20 | sith-R2D2 | smoked1, you will see the list of recommended packages when you type "bastille" |
| 04:39.21 | mdh | only 95 morons? did we eat the others? |
| 04:39.29 | smoked1 | k |
| 04:39.32 | TwistedEmotions | mdh: I got hungry. |
| 04:39.34 | sith-R2D2 | smoked1, get them all, then run "InteractiveBastille" |
| 04:39.35 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Strip, biatch. |
| 04:39.46 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: hahahha what's going on homie?\ |
| 04:39.49 | deadcat | hahaha |
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| 04:39.54 | sith-R2D2 | smoked1, try that and let us know how it goes |
| 04:40.03 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Hangin'. |
| 04:40.08 | netics | I have some problems with KMix, when I login as root it works and I can play music. But when I log in with user "netics" it tells me that i don't have permission to open it. And KMix have no mixer, so I can't play music |
| 04:40.08 | smoked1 | ok |
| 04:40.09 | smoked1 | thanks |
| 04:40.10 | bucky | smoked1, apt get perl-tk |
| 04:40.24 | netics | what must I do? please help |
| 04:40.26 | sith-R2D2 | netics, lol...don't run media apps are root! |
| 04:40.27 | audian | How do I use this "sudo" thing? |
| 04:40.28 | challenged | can someone paste the marillat repository line...i have no browser atm |
| 04:40.39 | deadcat | audian: sudo apt-get install sudo |
| 04:40.42 | netics | sith-R2D2, ok ok. But I want to run media apps as netics |
| 04:40.45 | sith-R2D2 | netics, running nonadministrative programs as root is not a good idea |
| 04:40.47 | netics | but it doesn't work |
| 04:40.52 | audian | deadcat, Yeah, I have it but how do I set it up |
| 04:41.04 | audian | deadcat, cant find a help command thing |
| 04:41.04 | deadcat | audian: man sudoer |
| 04:41.12 | deadcat | audian: man sudoers |
| 04:41.13 | mdh | netics: you'll probably want to put your 'netics' user into the audio and video groups |
| 04:41.14 | sith-R2D2 | netics, did you apt-get install KMix originally, or install manually? |
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| 04:41.22 | audian | deadcat, oh thats helpful, thanks |
| 04:41.26 | challenged | netics, as user have you set up sound in your WM? |
| 04:41.40 | netics | originally |
| 04:41.50 | deadcat | audian: you being sarcastic there? |
| 04:41.55 | netics | challenged, where? {: |
| 04:42.12 | netics | mdh, where can I put my user into the audio and video groups? |
| 04:42.27 | audian | deadcat, no |
| 04:42.34 | mdh | netics: run vigr |
| 04:42.43 | TigerWraith | has anyone here used xampp |
| 04:42.43 | challenged | then the correct answer is no.....it could need dmix etc but check the groups etc first |
| 04:42.45 | bucky | audian, you could look in /usr/share/doc/sudo and find out how to edit /etc/sudo.conf |
| 04:42.52 | mdh | netics: or use usermod or some shit like that |
| 04:43.05 | mdh | (I jormally just run vigr ;) |
| 04:43.25 | netics | I run vigr and it has no effect |
| 04:43.26 | Bac9 | netics: addgrp/adduser? |
| 04:43.26 | TwistedEmotions | Wow.. watching this movie with brittney spears in it... damn this sucks... |
| 04:43.39 | smoked1 | seems to have worked. Thanks guys |
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| 04:43.49 | mdh | netics: oh, dude, you have to run it as root ;) so you have permissions to edit /etc/group |
| 04:43.51 | TwistedEmotions | apt-get install shootmyself |
| 04:43.55 | challenged | TwistedEmotions, crossroads? |
| 04:44.00 | audian | Hmm.. this is pretty complicated stuff... |
| 04:44.01 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahha. |
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| 04:44.20 | TwistedEmotions | challenged: yup... I think so... SUCH SHITTY ACTING... |
| 04:44.21 | smoked1 | nevermind |
| 04:44.25 | netics | - /etc/group ? (: |
| 04:44.29 | mdh | netics: then you place your username, comma-separated, into the appropriate groups. audio, video and cdrom would probably be useful to you |
| 04:44.40 | TwistedEmotions | a girl just lost her baby from falling down the stairs... hahahah dumbass |
| 04:44.56 | Bac9 | netics: man adduser |
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| 04:45.05 | mdh | TwistedEmotions: does she get nekkid? |
| 04:45.05 | smoked1 | couldn't connect to display ":0.0" at /usr/lib/perl5/Tk/MainWindow.pm line 55. |
| 04:45.09 | helix | TwistedEmotions: this is not a general chat channel |
| 04:45.16 | deeepz | hey guys |
| 04:45.17 | tvn | I have DocumentRoot /home/thanhvu/myWWWPath in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf , I also reload apache2 but it keeps pointing to the default /var/www .. am I missing something ? |
| 04:45.17 | sith-R2D2 | question - is anyone running acpi on their laptop...if so, how did you go about eliminated the high-pitched noise coming from the processor ramp-down? for now i have disasbled acpi, but i heard there was a kernel mod you could do to place the idle CPU frequency outside of the human hearing bandwidth |
| 04:45.20 | TwistedEmotions | mdh: no. |
| 04:45.24 | deeepz | problem with gnome |
| 04:45.27 | deadcat | helix: he was talking about apt-get i think |
| 04:45.31 | deeepz | installed gnome |
| 04:45.31 | challenged | TwistedEmotions, i dont know why but i liken her to paris hilton......the actings the same anyways....porno was better than her house of wax acting |
| 04:45.34 | mdh | TwistedEmotions: you sorry sod! |
| 04:45.38 | deeepz | however not runing |
| 04:45.55 | TwistedEmotions | helix: yeah... apt-get install shoot-me <--- debian ;) |
| 04:45.55 | deeepz | now installig x-window-base-system |
| 04:45.57 | TigerWraith | tvn you have to eddit the apache2.conf file |
| 04:46.05 | deeepz | shld this create anyproblem |
| 04:46.10 | helix | TwistedEmotions: I think there is a #debian-offtopic |
| 04:46.11 | netics | so I have to make a new user if I want to play music? |
| 04:46.15 | TwistedEmotions | challenged: hahahah |
| 04:46.21 | tvn | TigerWraith: what should I modify in that file ? |
| 04:46.28 | helix | netics: no |
| 04:46.29 | challenged | sith-R2D2, i am now but i only just got support for speedstep....i dont here anything... |
| 04:46.32 | audian | Why does this say Permission denied when I try to run this file >.< |
| 04:46.35 | deadcat | netics: sudo for now |
| 04:46.39 | helix | netics: add yourself to the audio group. do you know how to do that? |
| 04:46.40 | Bac9 | netics: no, you just have to add your current user to the audio group and relogin |
| 04:46.44 | TwistedEmotions | helix: I answer questions too.. was just stating that one shouldnt watch that movie. |
| 04:46.50 | helix | TwistedEmotions: ok |
| 04:46.58 | challenged | audian, because your not allowed |
| 04:47.03 | TigerWraith | tvn how many websites are you going to host |
| 04:47.07 | audian | challenged, but im root >.< |
| 04:47.07 | deeepz | hey gusys gnome problem |
| 04:47.12 | beardy | netics: No, add your existing user to the group 'audio' for sound, 'video' for something, and 'cdrom' for access to the cdrom. |
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| 04:47.18 | deeepz | not ready to start |
| 04:47.23 | tvn | TigerWraith: just a personal one only for me to use .. I am not hosting anything |
| 04:47.25 | mdh | helix: I just told netics how to a little bit ^^^^--- that way |
| 04:47.30 | helix | mdh: thanks |
| 04:47.33 | deeepz | what shld i do |
| 04:47.34 | TigerWraith | ok your doing the same as me |
| 04:47.36 | bucky | audian, because the file is not executible... chmod +x foo |
| 04:47.41 | challenged | adsl2 running anywhere in the world yet? |
| 04:47.54 | netics | ok. let me try :p |
| 04:47.54 | bucky | audian, and ./foo |
| 04:47.56 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you living in or off campus next sem? |
| 04:48.15 | audian | bucky, what?... im so new to linux.. its a .run file.. what do I do? |
| 04:48.28 | TigerWraith | look for the stuff in apache2.conf that points to the var/www file and change it to /home/username/public_html |
| 04:48.30 | bucky | audian, are you deaf? |
| 04:48.39 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Off.. |
| 04:48.43 | deadcat | nice |
| 04:48.45 | netics | deh, I have no idea how to add me :p Can you tell me please how can I do that? |
| 04:48.55 | mdh | hahhaa oh the irony |
| 04:49.02 | deadcat | bucky: maybe he has black on black? |
| 04:49.03 | mdh | asking someone on irc if they are deaf |
| 04:49.04 | Bac9 | netics: man adduser |
| 04:49.07 | TigerWraith | as far as i can figure out (im new to linux and debian myself) apache2 doenst use the httpd.conf anymore |
| 04:49.14 | bucky | can't read |
| 04:49.25 | netics | ok |
| 04:49.37 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: wish I could get into the computer science dorm so the only parties I would have to worry about would be lan parties.. |
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| 04:49.50 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. |
| 04:49.50 | Bac9 | netics: one of the lines shows the syntax of how to add a user to a group |
| 04:50.12 | Bac9 | TwistedEmotions: what university? |
| 04:50.25 | challenged | TigerWraith, look at google before changin that i think it's done differently.... |
| 04:50.29 | TwistedEmotions | Bac9: UCDavis.. |
| 04:50.33 | ttick | in xdm, anyone know which config variable the hatched backround is? Would like to change it to a nice flat color. |
| 04:50.33 | netics | Bac9, yes but only if I create a new one. no? |
| 04:50.34 | vorlon | TigerWraith: apache2 will use /etc/apache2/httpd.conf (and other files) in the Debian packaging. |
| 04:50.38 | Bac9 | TwistedEmotions: where's that one? |
| 04:50.46 | Bac9 | netics: no, read the manpage |
| 04:50.52 | challenged | TigerWraith, default-sites rings a bell, also try dpkg -l apache2 for the installed file locations |
| 04:51.02 | audian | bucky, ok.. I did that, got no errors but nothing happened.. |
| 04:51.10 | TigerWraith | guys it might, i just couldnt figure it out, but i found a way to make it work |
| 04:51.16 | TwistedEmotions | Bac9: University of California, Davis... like a hour away from bay area in california.. |
| 04:51.28 | Bac9 | TwistedEmotions: ah, ok |
| 04:51.29 | bucky | audian, what is the filename? |
| 04:51.30 | TigerWraith | hell ive only been using linux for less than a week |
| 04:51.38 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cow country (= |
| 04:51.46 | sith-R2D2 | TigerWraith, it's nice isn't it? :) |
| 04:51.48 | audian | ati-driver-installer-8.4.13.run |
| 04:52.03 | TigerWraith | sith-R2D2: depends on yoru idea of nice |
| 04:52.13 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: even the cows out there are bored. |
| 04:52.15 | TigerWraith | its different i will give it that |
| 04:52.19 | TigerWraith | but i want to learn it |
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| 04:52.33 | netics | good. I added my user to group media |
| 04:52.34 | audian | bucky, ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run |
| 04:52.37 | smoked1 | wow that bastille thing is really kewl |
| 04:52.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: are there jobs there? |
| 04:52.54 | netics | thanks a lot |
| 04:52.56 | TwistedEmotions | I'm going to work the corner |
| 04:52.57 | Thaiger | Ever since I've did a dist-upgrade all kde apps start and say unknown protocol file |
| 04:52.57 | smoked1 | It won't run in X but runs fine in command line |
| 04:53.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hhaha. |
| 04:53.08 | Bac9 | netics: you want "audio" for sould |
| 04:53.11 | bucky | audian, are you using a howto for that? |
| 04:53.12 | Bac9 | netics: you want "audio" for sound |
| 04:53.32 | netics | ok done |
| 04:53.34 | challenged | can someone paste me the marillat repo line for my sources...im browserless atm and setting up my pinning etc |
| 04:53.34 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: thinking of trying to get a EMT job somewhere near there... maybe in Sacramento... it's like 10 minutes away.. |
| 04:53.36 | TigerWraith | hell i was going to put xorg instead of xfree86 cause i couldnt get the nvidia drivers installed or get xfree to dislpay larger than 600X800, but doing min install, and installing what i need finally got me to display kde at 1072X768 |
| 04:53.45 | deadcat | netics: if you created the user during installation. you shouldnt have any problems |
| 04:53.46 | audian | bucky, well it is supposed to give me a gui type to install these ati drivers |
| 04:53.53 | Bac9 | netics: now relogin and you sould be able to do the next step |
| 04:54.02 | mdh | netics: you want your user in the audio, video and cdrom groups |
| 04:54.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: EMT? what about davis computer lab? |
| 04:54.22 | netics | ok |
| 04:54.25 | netics | brb |
| 04:54.34 | challenged | TigerWraith, just ask here if theres a special way to do things we normally know |
| 04:54.35 | TigerWraith | <<< is an x EMT |
| 04:54.38 | bucky | audian, ati drivers are not trivial... you need a howto.. and i don't use ati.. can't help |
| 04:54.43 | deadcat | !emt |
| 04:54.47 | beardy | challenged: How can you be browserless? What are you irc:ing from? |
| 04:54.53 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I'm going into medacine... so EMT would be better... but computer lab would be ok too.. |
| 04:54.54 | challenged | TigerWraith, ie nvidia stuff we could have given you in 2 seconds |
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| 04:55.17 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ah. nice. |
| 04:55.20 | bucky | !dpkg tell audian about ati |
| 04:55.20 | TigerWraith | lol challenged this was before i found this room |
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| 04:55.36 | TigerWraith | errrr channel |
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| 04:55.41 | vorlon | audian: uh, for running the stuff you've downloaded, you would presumably want to do chmod a+x ./ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run && ./ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run |
| 04:55.42 | TwistedEmotions | TigerWraith: How long did it take for you to get into that? |
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| 04:56.07 | sith-R2D2 | smoked1, if you type InteractiveBastille it should run in X |
| 04:56.09 | sith-R2D2 | try it |
| 04:56.17 | sith-R2D2 | run it as root |
| 04:56.24 | TigerWraith | TwistedEmotions: how long did it take me to get into what |
| 04:56.25 | pressureman_ | how can i get fbcon+vesafb to put my monitor into sleep mode? setterm -powersave seems to have no effect |
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| 04:56.47 | TwistedEmotions | TigerWraith: EMT work... I mean how was the training and how long did it take? |
| 04:57.03 | TigerWraith | TwistedEmotions: i was an EMT in the Army |
| 04:57.04 | matchsticker | Hi~~ Anybody knows how to make sound device available for more than one process? |
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| 04:57.14 | TwistedEmotions | TigerWraith: Ahhhh... kk |
| 04:57.19 | challenged | beardy xchat-text atm |
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| 04:57.35 | netics | I can play music now. Thanks guys |
| 04:57.36 | audian | vorlon, Thank you, that worked |
| 04:57.47 | TigerWraith | TwistedEmotions: was going to go into nursing, but im tired of dealing with nurses that dont know what bleeding looks like, |
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| 04:57.54 | Bac9 | matchsticker: alsa+dmux or any other sound mixing daemon |
| 04:57.56 | vorlon | matchsticker: typically, sound devices either are or aren't shareable, and if they aren't you have to run a sound daemon |
| 04:57.58 | TigerWraith | so now im going to be a Medical Lab TEch |
| 04:57.59 | vorlon | audian: cheers |
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| 04:58.29 | beardy | challenged: well, then you can't be browserless. |
| 04:58.30 | matchsticker | Bac9: any easy debian way to do it ? like apt-get install sth.... |
| 04:58.34 | TigerWraith | challenged: thanks for teh offer, but now i dont need the nvidia drivers to work, |
| 04:58.36 | TwistedEmotions | TigerWraith: hahahah... so gave up on medacine? |
| 04:58.43 | Bac9 | matchsticker: depends on what you want |
| 04:58.43 | fretdog | Hello!... |
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| 04:58.53 | challenged | !tell matchsticker about dmix |
| 04:58.59 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: and gave into drugs (= |
| 04:59.08 | fretdog | I need some help! |
| 04:59.09 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahahhaha... |
| 04:59.09 | mdh | TwistedEmotions: I had the equiv of an EMT-1, just have to pass an exam. Had about a week of formal training for it, but a few months of informal training |
| 04:59.12 | Bac9 | matchsticker: if it's alsa then it's a mater of editing a config file in your ~/ if it's something else then install it and set your apps to use it |
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| 04:59.23 | TigerWraith | TwistedEmotions: i gave up nursing, still going to stay in medical, just instead of working with dumb nurses, ill be working pretty much by myself just drawing blood and ruing samples in computers |
| 04:59.30 | pressureman_ | DPMS screen blanking with fbcon... help |
| 04:59.34 | TwistedEmotions | mdh: That's pimp... |
| 04:59.38 | challenged | beardy oh i can /server to ftp sites? |
| 04:59.38 | matchsticker | Bac9: yes, it's alsa. |
| 04:59.50 | pressureman_ | screen blanks, but never goes to sleep |
| 04:59.56 | TwistedEmotions | TigerWraith: going into lab work? |
| 04:59.57 | challenged | matchsticker, read what dpkg msged you |
| 05:00.10 | Bac9 | matchsticker: then it's a matter of geting your ~/.asoundrc file to look right and set your apps to use alsa |
| 05:00.11 | TigerWraith | yea TwistedEmotions its something i did for a little while in the army |
| 05:00.13 | pressureman_ | works ok in text modes tho... just not framebuffer |
| 05:00.20 | TigerWraith | ok has anyone here used XAMPP |
| 05:00.46 | matchsticker | okay, thank you guys~, i'll try it first~~ |
| 05:00.48 | vorlon | fretdog: you'll have to tell people what you need help with if you expect to find it here |
| 05:01.22 | fretdog | does anyone here know about Gigabyte motherboard drivers? |
| 05:01.23 | beardy | challenged: No, but you can use lynx or links, or some other browser. (if xchat-text is what it sounds like, misleading/looping name though) |
| 05:01.25 | TwistedEmotions | TigerWraith: Lab work is respectable.. i think it's better then having to deal with a bunch of pain in the doctors and nurses |
| 05:01.26 | TigerWraith | its something that installs apache2, php, mysql and all and sets it up |
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| 05:01.50 | TigerWraith | TwistedEmotions: well i still have to deal with docs and nurses, but only by phone :D |
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| 05:02.49 | TwistedEmotions | TigerWraith: true... better then face to face ;) |
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| 05:03.10 | fretdog | I'm still new to linux and I need to know where to find drivers for my my system. |
| 05:03.19 | TigerWraith | better than trying to tell them to get off their arse and call the doc cause we are losing the paitent and they take their sweet time |
| 05:03.21 | challenged | beardy apt-cache search xchat-text......... |
| 05:03.41 | vorlon | fretdog: what's the actual problem that you're having? |
| 05:03.44 | TigerWraith | fretdog what kind of drivers are you looking for |
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| 05:04.08 | jcole | i've got a bunch of html readme files (with tables, graphics, etc. ) i've created and some documents linked in them... i want to convert them to wiki or similar... any suggestions on a "system" for management? also, i would like other to make changes, etc. |
| 05:04.22 | fretdog | my video isn't giving the resolution it should provide. It only show's 800X600. |
| 05:04.22 | jcole | others |
| 05:04.37 | TigerWraith | ahhh same problems i had |
| 05:04.46 | TigerWraith | what window system are you using |
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| 05:04.50 | TigerWraith | and what gui |
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| 05:04.57 | jcole | fretdog: what does "lspci | grep VGA" say? |
| 05:04.59 | vorlon | fretdog: do you know what video chipset you have? lspci should tell you if nothing else does |
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| 05:05.03 | JeffH | How come there isn't an apache2-ssl package for sarge? |
| 05:05.06 | ale_ | how do i see my cpu's temperature? |
| 05:05.12 | vorlon | JeffH: libapache2-mod-ssl |
| 05:05.28 | Bac9 | fretdog: so tell X that you want more, and are you sure it's not giving you more actually? Ctrl+Alt_NP_Plus |
| 05:05.31 | JeffH | vorlon: aah.. okay.. thanks. |
| 05:05.39 | Bac9 | fretdog: Ctrl+Alt+NP_Plus |
| 05:05.48 | Guerin | vorlon: you grace us with your illustrious presence! |
| 05:05.53 | fretdog | I know that it's a 7VM400-RZ Gigabyte motherboard. |
| 05:06.11 | jcole | fretdog: lspci | grep VGA |
| 05:06.12 | TigerWraith | intergrated graphics |
| 05:06.17 | vorlon | hmm, nope, no luster here |
| 05:06.21 | ale_ | how do i see my cpu's temperature? i think it's something in /proc but i cant find it |
| 05:06.22 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:06.23 | Bac9 | JeffH: there's an ssh plugin module |
| 05:06.28 | Bac9 | JeffH: there's an ssl plugin module |
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| 05:06.44 | bob2 | it's more an arch-angel-shaped glow |
| 05:06.48 | bob2 | to humans, anyway |
| 05:06.53 | vorlon | fretdog: no one here is going to dig up motherboard specs on your behalf; please run the lspci command jcole asked for |
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| 05:07.34 | jcole | ale_: apt-get install lm-sensors |
| 05:07.38 | challenged | wtf:::: Hit http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages |
| 05:07.39 | challenged | Hit http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Release |
| 05:07.44 | ale_ | jcole thanks |
| 05:07.51 | challenged | umm ???? |
| 05:08.07 | Guerin | challenged: ? |
| 05:08.14 | TigerWraith | that MB doenst have intergrated Graphics |
| 05:08.19 | challenged | security in testing? |
| 05:08.22 | ale_ | lol i searched the entire /proc |
| 05:08.23 | ale_ | <-- moron |
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| 05:08.33 | Guerin | challenged: is there actually anything there? |
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| 05:08.36 | jcole | ale_: kernel 2.6 is /sys |
| 05:08.44 | challenged | Guerin, did they just pop a dummy up to stop the error? |
| 05:08.52 | Guerin | challenged: you tell me. |
| 05:08.53 | fretdog | jcole: Thanks! my video is VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378. Vorlon: does this help? |
| 05:09.13 | TigerWraith | fretdog: what video card do you have installed |
| 05:09.20 | sith-R2D2 | ale_, how do you RUN lmsensors? |
| 05:09.26 | Danar | i can't get rid of the mozilla-tabextensions package |
| 05:09.59 | Danar | .mv: cannot stat `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults.ini': No such file or directory |
| 05:09.59 | Danar | dpkg: error processing mozilla-tabextensions (--remove): |
| 05:09.59 | Danar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.59 | bob2 | sith-R2D2: it's a set of kernel modules. the "sensors" command is what you run once you have the modules setup. |
| 05:10.02 | challenged | Guerin, just dummies i think....it used to error tho after stable released for at least a week |
| 05:10.16 | mdh | fretdog: the VT8378 is a motherboard controller (a host bridge). |
| 05:10.21 | Danar | reinstalling it doesn't work either |
| 05:10.32 | mdh | fretdog: can you simply 'lspci -X' and look for your VGA controller |
| 05:10.35 | ale_ | sith-R2D2 , i just installed it... i dont know how to run it, im trying to figure it out |
| 05:10.54 | Danar | and i can't upgrade any other packages either, because it keeps failing because of that |
| 05:11.09 | fretdog | Danar: I did. It responded with VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378. |
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| 05:11.16 | bob2 | Danar: how did ou manage to break the firefox package like that? |
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| 05:11.32 | bob2 | Danar: you force removed it? or just delete the files manually? |
| 05:11.37 | ale_ | ok first i go modprobe i2c_sensor |
| 05:11.39 | Danar | bob2: no clue |
| 05:11.44 | ale_ | now i lets me run sensors |
| 05:11.51 | TigerWraith | fretdog: that is not a Video chipset, |
| 05:11.54 | ale_ | but it says no sensors found... time to investigate :) |
| 05:11.58 | bob2 | Danar: well, someone with root on your machine did that |
| 05:12.01 | mdh | fretdog: that is NOT the VGA controller. |
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| 05:12.04 | TigerWraith | fretdog: we need to know what Video Card you are using |
| 05:12.06 | bob2 | or your disk is randomly deleting files |
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| 05:12.09 | jim | Danar: you dont' know what you did?? |
| 05:12.10 | mdh | fretdog: I know, because I have the same chipset =) |
| 05:12.14 | fretdog | When I ran lspci | grep VGA it gave me VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378. |
| 05:12.27 | Danar | oh, there's one possibility |
| 05:12.46 | jcole | fretdog: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:12.54 | vorlon | 11057205 VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video |
| 05:13.03 | Danar | it caused tabbrowser extensions to appear in firefox as well, even though i installed it to my home dir, and i tried to uninstall it with firefox |
| 05:13.13 | Danar | but that shouldn't have affected mozilla, or the package |
| 05:13.23 | Danar | and wouldn't have worked if it required root as you said |
| 05:13.24 | mdh | ah yeah, of course. I overrode the integrated video with an actual video card ;) |
| 05:13.29 | kingsley | Does a utility exist which can convert html to pdf? |
| 05:13.40 | jcole | vorlon: can you assist fretdog on x module name he needs to select in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:13.46 | Danar | that is, firefox is installed to my home dir |
| 05:13.52 | bob2 | kingsley: htmltops, then ps2pdf |
| 05:13.56 | vorlon | jcole: I can take an educated guess that he wants s3 |
| 05:14.12 | greenfly | kingsley: htmldoc |
| 05:14.16 | zak | kingsley: openoffice might be able to |
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| 05:14.16 | jim | kingsley: first understanding is, different browsers will render differently (this is by original design) |
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| 05:14.45 | kingsley | bob2, greenfly and zak. OK, thanks. |
| 05:14.46 | jcole | vorlon: no... too obvious |
| 05:14.46 | SaidinUnleashed | can you use jugdo to make a custom ISO? or just the official ones? |
| 05:14.55 | Danar | openoffice should do it |
| 05:15.24 | jim | SaidinUnleashed: you should be able to make whatever cd you want as long as you already have the files |
| 05:15.35 | reamtS | How do I run a X program over ssh? what package does the SERVER and CLIENT need? |
| 05:15.35 | Danar | and i have another question, why are there mozilla/firefox extensions in the repository? |
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| 05:15.49 | jim | then you can make a jigdo image for people and distribute your customization |
| 05:15.53 | Danar | they aren't meant to be installed that way |
| 05:16.06 | mdh | fretdog: there's an s3 and a via driver ... both might be useful to you when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:16.08 | jim | installed how? |
| 05:16.12 | Danar | and it's not like you could keep up with the extensions |
| 05:16.13 | fretdog | jcole: I'm think that dpkg-reconfigure is a command...right? |
| 05:16.22 | Danar | jim: via the deb repository |
| 05:16.22 | vorlon | fretdog: yes; you have to run it as root |
| 05:16.28 | SaidinUnleashed | jim, making the .jigdo files is befuzzling me. thanks for telling me that it's at least possible |
| 05:16.34 | jcole | fretdog: ya, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" is better |
| 05:16.45 | mdh | fretdog: its the via driver you want according to "man 4x via" :) |
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| 05:17.00 | mdh | !drxx |
| 05:17.00 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
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| 05:17.18 | jim | SaidinUnleashed: so, the initial assumption/requirement is that you have first, in your posession, the files you wish to make available on an image |
| 05:17.36 | osama | hi, i'm trying to user the bash command. saved a file called uml. in the file i have "#!/bin/sh /home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27/linux ubd0=root_fs_slack8.1 mem=128M" . then i did chmod 755 uml. but now when i run uml i get an error saying "bash: uml: command not found" please help |
| 05:17.40 | Danar | so how do i fix my problem? |
| 05:17.45 | Danar | i can't upgrade anything :( |
| 05:17.56 | jim | Danar: first find out why |
| 05:18.00 | jm_ | osama: is it in your PATH ? |
| 05:18.06 | Danar | jim: ...? |
| 05:18.14 | pressureman__ | debian is driving me nuts |
| 05:18.15 | sobersabre | is there a way to cut mp3 file into little chunks ? |
| 05:18.22 | pressureman__ | i'm almost considering reverting to slackware! |
| 05:18.29 | Danar | jim: why what, exactly? |
| 05:18.36 | mdh | osama: ./uml |
| 05:18.36 | osama | jm_ : what do u mean |
| 05:18.36 | sobersabre | pressureman__, you are wrong on that... |
| 05:18.41 | deadcat | pressureman__: bye |
| 05:18.42 | jm_ | osama: I mean what I said |
| 05:18.43 | bob2 | Danar: install the mozilla-firefox package |
| 05:18.45 | jim | Danar: for every problem that is blocking you from upgrading, you need to know the cause of that problem, in a precise manner |
| 05:18.58 | sobersabre | pressureman__, and you are welcome to /part #debian and /j #slackware ;-] |
| 05:19.00 | Danar | jim: i already pasted the error |
| 05:19.09 | jim | if you know the precise cause, you can fix. |
| 05:19.12 | pressureman__ | why does setterm -powersave have no effect on fbcon? |
| 05:19.15 | Danar | bob2: *sigh* :( |
| 05:19.22 | osama | jm_ : i run the file where it is |
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| 05:19.34 | jm_ | osama: . is not in PATH by default, run it like ./uml |
| 05:19.48 | pressureman__ | i can get my monitor to sleep when in text mode console, but fbcon - all it does it blank. no powerdown. |
| 05:20.01 | bob2 | Danar: then remove the tab extension, then remove fireefox |
| 05:20.05 | Danar | bob2: it is installed |
| 05:20.08 | jim | Danar: could the cause of your apt upgrade problem be that you are somehow interfering with either the package database or what it assumes to exist? |
| 05:20.12 | reamtS | How do I run a X program over ssh? what package does the SERVER and CLIENT need? |
| 05:20.13 | Coffee | i'm configuring my soundcard with alsa and use ./configure --with-cards=opl3-sa2 but after long compiling it says "Unknown soundcard opl3s-a2".Can someone help me? |
| 05:20.20 | jm_ | reamtS: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 05:20.23 | Danar | bob2: i can't remove it, that's the problem. |
| 05:20.28 | bob2 | Danar: reinstall it then. someone fucked your disk. |
| 05:20.34 | sobersabre | pressureman__, which fb driver are you using ? |
| 05:20.34 | jm_ | Coffee: huh? |
| 05:20.35 | pressureman__ | i have a feeling the stock debian kernel worked in that respect, but after i tried to switch back to it after my own kernel, it didn't recognise my raid (wrong uuid) |
| 05:20.38 | Danar | bob2: i tried that already, as i said |
| 05:20.39 | pressureman__ | vesafb |
| 05:20.39 | osama | jm_ : hmmm that didn't work |
| 05:20.48 | jm_ | osama: /msg dpkg didn't work |
| 05:20.55 | jm_ | osama: or /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 05:20.55 | osama | lol |
| 05:21.08 | Coffee | JM_ : what's huh meens? |
| 05:21.14 | pressureman__ | i tried the rivafb, since my card is a geforce2, but rivafb freaked out when i panned |
| 05:21.18 | jim | Danar: could it be that you have either removed files from or created/copied files to areas that dpkg/apt assumes it has full control over? |
| 05:21.31 | reamtS | thk jm_ |
| 05:21.34 | fretdog | mdh: I don't know if it's by "man 4x via" |
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| 05:21.37 | Danar | jim: i doubt it... |
| 05:21.42 | pressureman__ | do i need to use setvesablank? |
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| 05:21.50 | jim | did you do any of these things? |
| 05:21.59 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 05:22.00 | osama | jm_: when i run ./uml, it gives an error saying "./uml: line 2: /home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27: is a directory" |
| 05:22.07 | ale_ | how do i make my system re-read what i changed in /etc/modules without restarting the computer? |
| 05:22.09 | mdh | fretdog: the 8378 is a KM400 |
| 05:22.13 | Danar | jim: not that i'm aware of. and if i'm running it as root, would it not have control over whatever it likes? |
| 05:22.16 | jim | copied files anywhere into /usr/somewhere, deleted them from thplace? |
| 05:22.18 | vorlon | Danar: where did you get this mozilla-tabextensions package? |
| 05:22.23 | fretdog | jcole: I'm almost there. xserver xfree86 is asking me about a bus ID. |
| 05:22.26 | mdh | fretdog: which is supported by the via driver in xfree86 apparently |
| 05:22.30 | vorlon | hmm... ok, it's in the archive, isn't it |
| 05:22.34 | Danar | vorlon: from the repository |
| 05:22.44 | Danar | vorlon: but it's not what i thought it was, and i want to get rid of it |
| 05:22.46 | vorlon | source package is uselessly named "tabextensions", nice. |
| 05:22.50 | mdh | fretdog: lspci -X and take the numbers after PCI |
| 05:22.54 | Danar | vorlon: but something's broken, and it won't go away |
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| 05:23.21 | vorlon | Danar: what version do you have installed right now? |
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| 05:23.35 | Danar | of firefox? |
| 05:23.39 | vorlon | of mozilla-tabextensions |
| 05:23.40 | Danar | 1.0.1 |
| 05:23.40 | mdh | vorlon: blame the f'ing useless debian ftp masters ;) |
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| 05:23.41 | Danar | 4 |
| 05:23.47 | Danar | *1.0.4 |
| 05:23.52 | xaphod | help - how would i put this line into my fstab? mount --bind /var/www/fuzzymunchkin.com/roz www |
| 05:23.54 | Danar | gah |
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| 05:24.29 | jim | ok, let's take the opposite approach: Danar: so you never did anything to affect anything in /usr (or similar areas, /var, /etc notable) except install a debian package? |
| 05:24.36 | ale_ | how do i make my system re-read what i changed in /etc/modules without restarting the computer? something equivalent to mount -a or exportfs -a something like that :) |
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| 05:25.00 | valdyn | ale_: /etc/init.d/module-init-tools |
| 05:25.01 | Danar | 1.14 |
| 05:25.11 | FarrisG | are there any udev discussion channels anywhere? |
| 05:25.12 | Danar | jim: yeh |
| 05:25.13 | vorlon | Danar: there is no version 1.0.4 of mozilla-tabextensions in Debian. I need a full version number; apt-cache policy mozilla-tabextensions, please |
| 05:25.14 | jm_ | Coffee: why are you building ALSA yourself? |
| 05:25.28 | FarrisG | I'm trying to do some pretty basic problem solving with a particular device |
| 05:25.33 | jim | ok, ruling that out, what dist are you running? |
| 05:25.35 | newbie | valdyn: hi there, I tried the vo thingie with mplayer |
| 05:25.44 | Danar | vorlon: no, that was my firefox version number. it won't let my copy & paste the whole version of TBE |
| 05:25.44 | jm_ | osama: then your script doesn't look like what you mentioned earlier |
| 05:25.47 | vorlon | fretdog: bus ID is normally optional on x86 systems |
| 05:25.56 | Coffee | i downloaded alsa-driver-1.0.9b and then tried to ./configure --with-cards=opl3-sa2 but it says "uknown soundcard opl3-sa2":(. Does anybody know how to fix it? |
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| 05:26.15 | Danar | nvm: 1.14.2005051901-1 |
| 05:26.21 | kadigibox | hello I am back and I got x running perfectly |
| 05:26.24 | vorlon | Danar: thanks. |
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| 05:26.47 | challenged | coffee new driver names....more to the point dont bother specifying a card...and you should probably use module assistant and the sid package |
| 05:26.52 | ajatollah | valdyn: didn't workout, as mplayer does not seem aware of gl output in the configuration |
| 05:27.00 | mithro | hello, anyone know a good place to ask a question about the unix utility screen? |
| 05:27.07 | jim | kadigibox: well X is just that grey graphical screen and support for keyboard and mouse :) |
| 05:27.11 | Coffee | jm_: cause i read help at alsa site |
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| 05:27.19 | kadigibox | does anyone know about networking with a DSL modem |
| 05:27.23 | valdyn | Coffee: why don't you use the debian packages? the driver is called opl3sa2 |
| 05:27.31 | osama | i'm trying to use the bash command. saved a file called uml. in the file i have "#!/bin/sh /home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27/linux ubd0=root_fs_slack8.1 mem=128M" . then i did chmod 755 uml. but now when i run uml i get an error saying "bash: uml: command not found" please help |
| 05:27.43 | valdyn | ajatollah: oh, so you didnt compile it w/ gl support. |
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| 05:27.50 | ale_ | valdyn thx :) |
| 05:27.54 | salahuddin | how to set grub for XP default start in sarge ? |
| 05:27.56 | mdh | !anyone |
| 05:27.56 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 05:27.59 | valdyn | ajatollah: try marillat ? /msg dpkg marillat. |
| 05:28.02 | TigerWraith | anyone use xampp |
| 05:28.05 | deadcat | salahuddin: what the hell? 22:27 salahuddin [~pasha@69.88.3.140] requested unknown CTCP ACTION from |
| 05:28.05 | vorlon | Danar: trying to reproduce this error here. |
| 05:28.08 | deadcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.15 | ajatollah | valdyn: but read somewhere with a similolar problem (but uglier problem) played two videos at the same time and the problem was gone, it worked here |
| 05:28.16 | jm_ | Coffee: use Debian packages |
| 05:28.19 | Coffee | valdyn you meen --with-cards=opl3sa2? |
| 05:28.22 | jm_ | salahuddin: info grub, read |
| 05:28.26 | salahuddin | ok |
| 05:28.27 | challenged | coffee alsa wont hurt you normally compiled but you should try and find debian packages if you can |
| 05:28.35 | ajatollah | valdyn: yep, it seems configure didn't find opengl |
| 05:28.45 | valdyn | ajatollah: the 2nd mplayer cannot use xv so its falling back to something else. |
| 05:28.46 | kadigibox | I am haveing problems. maybe DNS? Anyway I can access some websites but others I cannot access at all. like yahoo or google I cannot access. |
| 05:28.53 | xaphod | ah, it's type none and options bind |
| 05:28.59 | ajatollah | I'll try marillat thankks |
| 05:29.17 | challenged | !info alsa-source etch |
| 05:29.21 | Coffee | challenged: i'm newbie :S what's debian package? |
| 05:29.25 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.9b-1 (etch), Packaged size: 2168 kB, Installed size: 2212 kB |
| 05:29.38 | valdyn | Coffee: yea |
| 05:29.39 | Coffee | challenged: where can i find it? |
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| 05:29.53 | challenged | coffee: ah things that go via apt-get....the great package systemm....like our superior version to rpms |
| 05:30.07 | ajatollah | valdyn: but what worries me is that it also afects xine, so i don't really think is mplayer related |
| 05:30.13 | Danar | vorlon: did you see the error? (i pasted it earlier) |
| 05:30.19 | valdyn | Coffee: but again, use the stuff provided by debian or the drivers in your kernel if its a 2.6.x kernel |
| 05:30.31 | vorlon | Danar: yes, I saw the error message you pasted |
| 05:30.34 | Danar | k |
| 05:30.34 | valdyn | ajatollah: yea its related to xv |
| 05:30.45 | trave11er | osama: run it as ./uml |
| 05:30.46 | TigerWraith | ok since no one has used xampp, then whats the best way to get apache2, php, and mysql installed and working correctly |
| 05:30.52 | valdyn | ajatollah: try running xine times 2, the 2nd xine also wont be able to use xv |
| 05:31.00 | kadigibox | any ideas how to fix my problem of not being able to access some websites? |
| 05:31.04 | Coffee | challenged: valdyn: ok i got that |
| 05:31.12 | Danar | kadigibox: going through a proxy? |
| 05:31.16 | mdh | TigerWraith: apt-get install apache2 php4 mysql-server mysql-client php4-mysql |
| 05:31.18 | challenged | coffee: you could do the debian package and use module-assistant: that way you know about updates etc....but to be hones it wont matter if you compile like you are |
| 05:31.26 | Danar | kadigibox: behind a router? using a firewall? |
| 05:31.28 | trave11er | bah, looks like i was lagging horribly |
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| 05:31.40 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: it's up again. |
| 05:32.07 | TigerWraith | ok thanks mdh |
| 05:32.08 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cool. i got all the shits already. rm when you';re done with them. |
| 05:32.15 | kadigibox | Danar, only useing my DSL modem and the firewall is off and no proxy or router |
| 05:32.16 | TigerWraith | whats better xfree86 or xorg |
| 05:32.32 | pressureman_ | does anybody run fbcon with screen blanking successfully? or is it just broken? |
| 05:32.34 | kadigibox | I am connected strait to the DSL modem |
| 05:32.35 | mdh | trave11er: so is osama, two of us have told them this already |
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| 05:32.42 | Danar | TigerWraith: apparently xorg, but debian won't support it |
| 05:32.51 | Manoj_ | Danar, yet |
| 05:32.58 | TigerWraith | theres a web page that says how to get it working |
| 05:33.01 | Danar | Manoj_: yet? hm |
| 05:33.03 | challenged | TigerWraith, xorg has some more drivers and is newer but were xfree86 atm xorg coming sometime soonish |
| 05:33.04 | valdyn | TigerWraith: better for what? |
| 05:33.19 | TigerWraith | http://blogs.vislab.usyd.edu.au/index.php/Steve/2004/09/09/installing_a_non_intrusive_x |
| 05:33.26 | ajatollah | valdyn: thanks a lot for everything, I'll keep an eye on xv development :) |
| 05:33.28 | Manoj_ | I think that xorg entered x strike force SVN repo in the last couple of days |
| 05:33.34 | trave11er | mdh: i've noticed :-) |
| 05:33.43 | mdh | Manoj_: actually its been in there for months |
| 05:33.53 | Danar | kadigibox: can you ping them? |
| 05:33.55 | Manoj_ | mdh, I think not |
| 05:33.56 | vorlon | Danar: and reinstalling mozilla-firefox doesn't fix this problem? |
| 05:34.04 | valdyn | ajatollah: it works perfectly fine on most systems, not sure your issue is even software related... |
| 05:34.07 | Danar | vorlon: didn't try that one.. |
| 05:34.13 | TigerWraith | i was going to install it since i couldnt get xfree to display 1072X768 |
| 05:34.17 | Manoj_ | mdh, but, I could be wrong: overfiend was crowing about it last night, though |
| 05:34.19 | JeffH | I just installed squirrelmail and configured apache to answer to webmail.harriscomputersolutions.com but when I point a browser there the browser wants to download a file. if I link /var/www/squirrelmail to /usr/share/squirrelmail and go to www.harriscomputersolutions.com/squirrelmail it comes up fine.. what gives? |
| 05:34.20 | vorlon | Danar: mmh, that's what we've been telling you you needed to reinstall |
| 05:34.20 | TigerWraith | but since this last install it is now |
| 05:34.23 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | does raidtools2 contain raidstart, raidstop, mkraid etc or am i missing a package ?? |
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| 05:34.35 | mdh | Manoj_: [8 March] A new Subversion repository for X.Org X11 package development has been created. |
| 05:34.37 | Danar | vorlon: er, i'm sure i was told to reinstall TBE, not firefox |
| 05:34.46 | mdh | Manoj_: that's from http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/NEWS.xhtml |
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| 05:34.55 | challenged | TigerWraith, thats like buying a new car cos your out of petrol |
| 05:34.57 | vorlon | ^ATOMIC^[w]: those tools are deprecated now; mdadm is the single tool providing this functionality in sarge |
| 05:35.00 | valdyn | ajatollah: maybe you have the odd nvidia card where it does not work well, no idea. |
| 05:35.01 | Danar | vorlon: also, this extension was supposed to for mozilla, AFAIK. i didn't think it would affect firefox |
| 05:35.08 | TigerWraith | lol challenged |
| 05:35.11 | Manoj_ | mdh, new repositories are great, but I am talking about the main repository that packages are uploaded from. |
| 05:35.15 | kadigibox | Danar, I can ping them |
| 05:35.17 | TigerWraith | well i just coudnt get my res higer, |
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| 05:35.20 | mdh | Manoj_: it actually supercedes the previous version someone else was working on that had been there at lot longer |
| 05:35.21 | TigerWraith | but oh well its fixed now |
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| 05:35.25 | JeffH | anyone? |
| 05:35.26 | pressureman_ | this i like talking to a brick wall |
| 05:35.28 | Manoj_ | mdh, so, X.org entered the primary SVN repo last night |
| 05:35.31 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | vorlon: arh ok thanks mate we had the tools still on an old box and was wondering why we wern't getting them thanks alot |
| 05:35.32 | challenged | TigerWraith, do you think perhaps you should just fix the resolution? |
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| 05:35.50 | trave11er | Manoj_: i thought gravity has uploaded x.org to experimental yesterday |
| 05:35.52 | vorlon | Danar: well, you have a broken mozilla-firefox package installed, so the update-mozilla-firefox-chrome command doesn't work for deregistering the extension |
| 05:35.57 | trave11er | at least, he blogged about it |
| 05:36.02 | ajatollah | valdyn: yep, maybe, what strikes me is that woody, and slakware 10.0 didn't have this problem with the same card I'll check the versions |
| 05:36.12 | Seb | JeffH: this would be an #apache question I guess |
| 05:36.23 | TigerWraith | challenged: i tried, didnt work, but since this last reinstall its working just like i want it too |
| 05:36.30 | Danar | kadigibox: have you tried something like ftp://www.google.com ? |
| 05:36.34 | Manoj_ | mdh, Umm, lots of people have been working on it, I guess. but only when it gets into the main XSF repo do things start to count. |
| 05:36.43 | valdyn | ajatollah: woody is old, it might not provide the xv extension for your card. |
| 05:36.56 | Manoj_ | trave11er, I think he gave in to requests and sent it to unstable? |
| 05:36.59 | vorlon | pressureman_: congratulations, you're the only person I know who doesn't run X as his primary interface |
| 05:37.03 | valdyn | ajatollah: so your video players will generally use more cpu but not display that issue |
| 05:37.04 | challenged | TigerWraith, and do you know what you did different? |
| 05:37.16 | trave11er | Manoj_: even better =) |
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| 05:37.21 | mdh | Manoj_: this *is* the XSF repository. I'm reading this info from their website |
| 05:37.27 | JeffH | Seb: no one answering in there so thought I'd see if someone in here knew the answer.. I guess not. |
| 05:37.36 | Danar | arg, the deb version of firefox sucks |
| 05:37.43 | Danar | says i have an incompatible theme |
| 05:37.46 | Seb | JeffH: i'm sure people considered your question, ut most likely noone knows :) |
| 05:37.52 | Danar | and takes forever to start up |
| 05:37.59 | kadigibox | the ftping to it doesnt work eather |
| 05:38.04 | mdh | Manoj_: but if its being packaged and uploaded to experimental/unstable, even better =) |
| 05:38.15 | Danar | kadigibox: do you have a livecd? |
| 05:38.18 | kadigibox | and its funny its doing this just to some sites |
| 05:38.20 | Seb | Danar: hrm, what exactly are yout talking about ? |
| 05:38.26 | kadigibox | no I dont have a livecd |
| 05:38.30 | Manoj_ | mdh, ok. have it your way. traveller and I were talking to the people who did the uploads yesterday, but if you insist, you are quite correct. |
| 05:38.33 | Danar | Seb: which context? |
| 05:38.35 | vorlon | JeffH: did you have PHP installed on the system before you installed squirrelmail? |
| 05:38.47 | Seb | Danar: how about moving your fancy .firefox/ somewhere else, and restarting firefox ? |
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| 05:38.53 | Danar | kadigibox: shame. everyone should. i suggest getting knoppix or something. |
| 05:39.04 | Danar | Seb: "fancy" firefox? |
| 05:39.08 | Seb | heh, this is #debian-devel invading #debian, right ? :> |
| 05:39.14 | JeffH | vorlon: yeah.. phpmyadmin works fine. |
| 05:39.16 | Seb | Danar: "incompatible" theme ? |
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| 05:39.38 | jim | at one time, this was #debian-devel and #debian combined |
| 05:39.42 | kadigibox | Why should I have a live CD? |
| 05:39.45 | ajatollah | valdyn: but it did...or at leas i got an external deb for it...who knows, it was long ago :s |
| 05:39.45 | Seb | Danar: stop firefox ; mv ~/.firefox ~/.firefox.bak ; firefox & |
| 05:39.46 | challenged | danar: firefox is fine here |
| 05:39.48 | Danar | Seb: yeh, when i reinstalled firefox from the deb repo, and started it, it complained about an incompatible theme (noia 2.0) |
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| 05:39.51 | Seb | jim: :) |
| 05:40.03 | Seb | Danar: do what I said |
| 05:40.08 | Manoj_ | right. until the volume grew. |
| 05:40.10 | Danar | but the official version of firefox had no prob with it |
| 05:40.18 | Seb | Danar: last chance |
| 05:40.22 | vorlon | JeffH: well, usually that points to a mime type issue, together with a browser caching issue (browsers are nasty, they'll cache the headers and give you no way to force-reload to re-grab correct headers) |
| 05:40.23 | kadigibox | I have no need for one and just cause a distro boots off of CD or HD wouldnt make a damn difference for why I can connect to some websites and other websites I cannot |
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| 05:40.24 | TigerWraith | challenged: what i did differntly is instead of letting debian automaticly setup for desktop enviroment, i did a min install and installed just the things i needed |
| 05:40.30 | ajatollah | valdyn: well gotta go, thanks again for all the asistance and the patience, peace |
| 05:40.33 | challenged | seb: what version is your firefox? |
| 05:40.35 | Seb | Danar: if you'd rather argue and shit rather than try stuff out, find someone else |
| 05:40.39 | Seb | challenged: i'm all good :> |
| 05:40.40 | Manoj_ | One was hoping that the nice friendly #ubuntu would have sucked some of that pressure off from this channel |
| 05:40.49 | Danar | Seb: scuse me? is there any particular reason i need to do it immediately, and can't finish what i'm saying? |
| 05:40.52 | Seb | Manoj_: hah |
| 05:40.59 | fretdog | jcole, mdh, vorlon: I completed xserver xfree86 video configuration, but it still could change my resolution yet. Do I need to restart a service or something? |
| 05:41.01 | Seb | Danar: now there isn't anymore |
| 05:41.01 | streuner | Manoj_: haha |
| 05:41.03 | jim | the official version of firefox being the one in the .deb package and in a released version of debian main? |
| 05:41.10 | Danar | Seb: i'm waiting for firefox to start first. usually takes about 10-15 minutes |
| 05:41.11 | vorlon | JeffH: actually, I seem to be able to pull up that webmail url fine -- try from a different browser, and try flushing your browser cache. |
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| 05:41.20 | karsten | Manoj_: If you wanted that, we should have delayed Sarge for another 18 months. |
| 05:41.23 | Seb | Danar: make sure you talk to someone else too |
| 05:41.23 | pressureman_ | is DPMS supported by vesafb? |
| 05:41.37 | Manoj_ | Danar, jeez. That is _slow_ |
| 05:41.38 | Seb | karsten: cmon, this is not funny :> |
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| 05:41.46 | Danar | kadigibox: it's very handy. can save your system. and can help with troubleshooting |
| 05:41.50 | karsten | Seb: ;-) |
| 05:41.57 | challenged | !info mozilla-firefox etch |
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| 05:42.02 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
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| 05:42.04 | Danar | Manoj_: only happens in debian |
| 05:42.05 | vorlon | fretdog: yes, you have to completely restart your X server for the changes to take effect. Be warned, that if you chose the wrong chipset X may not start at all for you; so be prepared to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again, and point it to the "vga" driver as a fallback. :) |
| 05:42.06 | Manoj_ | karsten, I'm not to blame for the timely release of Sarge. |
| 05:42.07 | Danar | :/ |
| 05:42.07 | jim | Danar: do you have dns issues? are all your boxes named? |
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| 05:42.20 | Manoj_ | karsten, the most _I_ did was try and stay out of the way |
| 05:42.25 | TwistedEmotions | firefox is lightweight? |
| 05:42.31 | Danar | jim: just one box, yes it's named, |
| 05:42.32 | bluefox83 | where does icewm keep it's themes ? |
| 05:42.36 | Seb | TwistedEmotions: compared to Mozilla it is ;) |
| 05:42.41 | jm_ | bluefox83: dpkg -L icewm-themes |
| 05:42.41 | Kupal[]__ | just saw openwebmail, perchange does anyone know why it was*pulled* from the debian tree? |
| 05:42.47 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Well, quasi, compared to full Mozilla. |
| 05:42.47 | Seb | bluefox83: wild guess, .icewm/** |
| 05:42.49 | mdh | fretdog: do you have other resolutions available in your XF86Config-4 file? What does /var/log/XFree86.0.log say about this matter? |
| 05:42.54 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ...but that's a highly relative term. |
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| 05:42.56 | Manoj_ | Danar, Which other OS's have you tried on that hardware? |
| 05:43.04 | jm_ | bluefox83: also read /usr/share/doc/icewm/html/icewm.html |
| 05:43.04 | pressureman_ | am i asking too hard questions, or is it simply that nobody is trying to do what i am? |
| 05:43.05 | fretdog | vorlon, jcole, mdh: Thanks for your guidance! It's been a learning experience. Bye! |
| 05:43.07 | TwistedEmotions | I suppose.. I mean I like both... but I never considered either "lightweight" |
| 05:43.07 | jim | Danar: and knows its own name and that of the gateway to which it's connected? |
| 05:43.08 | Danar | i've tried several times to figure out why it takes so long to start. never had success |
| 05:43.11 | streuner | Manoj_: most users orientated about software (latest kernel, latest GNOME) ... |
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| 05:43.20 | Danar | Manoj_: booted to ubuntu livecd |
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| 05:43.33 | kadigibox | Its a problem with my DSL modem I think but I dont know how to fix it |
| 05:43.41 | Manoj_ | Danar, that is pasing strange. |
| 05:43.41 | Danar | jim: er, dunno about the name of the gateway |
| 05:43.42 | Seb | Danar: did someone mentions moving your ~/.firefox out of the way ? |
| 05:43.51 | Seb | mention |
| 05:43.54 | Kupal[]__ | kadigibox: burn IT!!! |
| 05:44.01 | Danar | Seb: just you... |
| 05:44.10 | Seb | Danar: must not be worth it then |
| 05:44.14 | jim | Danar: do you have an internal masq-ed net |
| 05:44.15 | jim | ? |
| 05:44.19 | mdh | Seb: its ~/.mozilla/firefox/ actuall |
| 05:44.20 | Danar | Seb: but i had already started firefox (when it complained about the theme) |
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| 05:44.31 | Kupal[]__ | anyone understand how loopback nat works.. |
| 05:44.32 | Seb | mdh: not here |
| 05:44.35 | Manoj_ | streuner, well, I don't run gnome or kde |
| 05:44.40 | challenged | pressureman_, well i think your asking questions noone cares about....ie vesafb shrug most are nvidia/ati |
| 05:44.56 | Danar | jim: sorry? |
| 05:45.03 | pressureman_ | i tried the rivafb, but it freaked out with panning. |
| 05:45.06 | mdh | Seb: well, it is in Debian :) |
| 05:45.13 | Seb | mdh: nah, not here |
| 05:45.33 | streuner | Manoj_: well, you arent the average user... |
| 05:45.33 | pressureman_ | i can't stand the horrible vga16 that the stock debian kernel uses (can't stand initrd either) |
| 05:45.36 | Kupal[]__ | i.e. public ip 64.0.0.1 on your router that portforwards 80 to your internal server, well you can access your webserver from its public ip |
| 05:45.38 | Seb | mdh: i use .firefox daily to backup my bookmarks |
| 05:45.45 | vorlon | challenged: like I said, I don't know anybody else who actually still uses the console as their primary UI, therefore they don't care about running framebuffer on it, therefore they don't have powersaving issues |
| 05:45.49 | aztv | how can i make debian read punch cards? |
| 05:45.51 | jim | Danar: let's start from the beginning of that... you have only one machine, and on a slow modem connection where the modem is in the same box you're using now? |
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| 05:45.56 | Seb | mdh: and i do have .mozilla/firefox, but I'd say this i slegacy, cause it's not a link to the other one |
| 05:45.58 | cat | has anyone here used gnu-kbsd? |
| 05:46.03 | vorlon | aztv: write a driver for your USB punchcard reader |
| 05:46.16 | Danar | jim: i don't have a slow modem connection. what gave you that idea? |
| 05:46.18 | pressureman_ | challenged: do you know DPMS standby to work with the rivafb driver? |
| 05:46.27 | mdh | Seb: its the other way around. |
| 05:46.28 | Manoj_ | Danar, well, I think people have already suggested moving ~/.mozilla out of the way. If that does not work, make sure that you can ping the site you use as home. Then try apt-get --reinstall install |
| 05:46.35 | jim | Danar: ok, so you have a faster connection? |
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| 05:46.42 | Seb | mdh: ? |
| 05:46.47 | cat | has anyone here used gnu-kbsd? |
| 05:46.48 | Danar | jim: yeah, cable |
| 05:47.07 | Seb | Manoj_: ah, cmon now, that'd be too easy to have tried that right away ;) |
| 05:47.14 | jim | ok, your cable modem has an ethernet, which is connected to your machine only? |
| 05:47.18 | mdh | Seb: read /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/README.Debian.gz for example. all references are to ~/.mozilla/firefox/ |
| 05:47.18 | Danar | Manoj_: which? never had problems pinging anything |
| 05:47.24 | bloom | does anyone know of a console newsreader that lets you choose between several news servers via a menu? |
| 05:47.26 | Seb | !tell cat about repeat |
| 05:47.33 | Seb | !tell cat about survey |
| 05:47.36 | Danar | jim: connected to my router |
| 05:47.39 | deadcat | !tell cat about poll |
| 05:47.43 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:47.47 | cat | interesting |
| 05:47.49 | Seb | bloom: i use several instances of slrn i nscreen :\ |
| 05:47.50 | jim | ok, tell me about your router... what kind of thing is it? |
| 05:47.51 | cat | grr (: |
| 05:47.56 | Danar | jim: but only 1 box behind it |
| 05:48.05 | Seb | bloom: the true solution is to use leafnode to pull newsgroup to a local box |
| 05:48.14 | cat | damn i wonder how the heck do you installed gnu-kbsd |
| 05:48.14 | Danar | jim: just a regular cheap router |
| 05:48.17 | aztv | how can i make debian to automount the digital camera as i plug it to usb? |
| 05:48.24 | cat | i already have the freebsd system running |
| 05:48.39 | Seb | mdh: then i wonder how I can backup/restore bookmarks using ~/.firefox then :\ |
| 05:48.47 | Seb | then, even |
| 05:48.51 | jim | a little plastic box that has an eth for the external and a maybe 5-port hub for the inside? |
| 05:49.00 | Danar | jim: 4 |
| 05:49.00 | Seb | aztv: check out hotplug |
| 05:49.09 | jim | ok, got that part... |
| 05:49.09 | Manoj_ | aztv, You need to install udev, and may have to futz around with creating udev rules |
| 05:49.23 | mdh | Seb: presumably firefox doesn't give a crap about where your profile is as long as a compatible one exists what it is looking |
| 05:49.29 | valdyn | !info usbmount |
| 05:49.30 | mdh | s/what/where/ |
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| 05:49.33 | Seb | mdh: gotcha |
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| 05:49.35 | dpkg | usbmount: (automatically mount and unmount USB mass storage devices), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.0.11 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 05:49.36 | jim | so you have: a cable connection connected to a little router box connected to one machine, and nothing else? |
| 05:49.37 | bloom | Seb: I've been using nntpcache for a while, but now I'm on dialup and so it doesn't work because it tries to do the initial server rebuild before I'm connected to the internet |
| 05:49.53 | trave11er | cat: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 05:49.53 | mdh | Seb: it used to be ~/.firefox back in the 0.8 days :) |
| 05:49.56 | Seb | bloom: i see. Then several slrns i nscreen is a very workable setup |
| 05:50.00 | Seb | mdh: heh |
| 05:50.05 | Kupal[]__ | anyone have a recommendation for this situation " perl-suid: Depends: perl (= 5.8.4-8) but 5.8.7-3 is to be installed" |
| 05:50.07 | mdh | and ~/.phoenix before that of course |
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| 05:50.26 | Seb | heh |
| 05:50.26 | kadigibox | grrr changeing DNS addresses didnt even help |
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| 05:50.34 | mdh | I think they got annoyed with homedir dotfiles spam, put all the mozilla stuff in subdirs of ~/.mozilla |
| 05:50.45 | Kerpal | does no one talk to me in here anymore? |
| 05:50.45 | mdh | except thunderbird is a holdout in that regard |
| 05:50.51 | Danar | arg, firefox wasn't even running |
| 05:50.52 | jim | Kupal[]__: upgrade perl or downgrade perl-suid, make their versions either one of those or the other |
| 05:50.53 | Seb | jim: you should suggest moving ~/.mozilla out of the way and be done with it |
| 05:51.02 | kadigibox | this is ticking me off. I need to have internet access |
| 05:51.03 | Danar | it must have crashed after it bitched about the theme |
| 05:51.03 | dondelelcaro | Kerpal: you need to install the proper version of perl-suid |
| 05:51.09 | kadigibox | full internet access |
| 05:51.10 | Seb | jim: since his ubuntu live Cd worked fine, it's unlikely his network setup is the cause of this slowness, I'd say |
| 05:51.18 | jim | Seb: do you think I'm on the right track? |
| 05:51.22 | Seb | jim: nah |
| 05:51.24 | Seb | :D |
| 05:51.25 | jim | so anseer is no |
| 05:51.29 | dondelelcaro | !depends perl-suid |
| 05:51.34 | dpkg | perl-suid: depends on perl (= 5.8.7-3), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libperl5.8 (= 5.8.7-3) |
| 05:51.43 | trave11er | cat: i don't know anything about the freebsd port, if you have problems/questions, contact mailing list/irc channel mentioned on the port page |
| 05:51.50 | person | is there anyway to get an application menu into xfce? |
| 05:51.51 | trave11er | cat: and don't pm needlessly |
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| 05:52.04 | Danar | jim: right. sorry, didn't see your post cause it didn't have my nick |
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| 05:52.11 | myren | what cell phones have open APIs? |
| 05:52.26 | Kerpal | jim whats the best way to downgrade :) |
| 05:52.30 | jim | Seb: what's in there that could be the problem? what is likely cause? |
| 05:52.36 | Kerpal | I am walking into dependecy nightmare.. |
| 05:52.37 | pressureman_ | let me ask my question a different way. is anybody using framebuffer console of any kind, and successfully has DPMS blanking working? |
| 05:52.38 | Seb | jim: it complained about a *theme* |
| 05:52.43 | jim | Kerpal: generally? restore from backup |
| 05:52.46 | Seb | jim: which points to a funky profile |
| 05:52.51 | Kerpal | Fubar |
| 05:52.53 | Seb | jim: hence my suggestion |
| 05:53.05 | jim | ok. |
| 05:53.08 | jim | thanks |
| 05:53.25 | pressureman_ | not even one person out of 787 in this channel? |
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| 05:53.31 | dondelelcaro | Kerpal: no, you're not. You haven't run apt-get update; recently if you're trying to isntall that version of perl-suid. |
| 05:53.44 | tcsetattr | fbcon is generally hated, apparently. |
| 05:53.48 | Seb | pressureman_: i use framebuffer console, but I don't know if it does blanking |
| 05:53.52 | Seb | pressureman_: i'd say yes |
| 05:53.53 | Kerpal | dondelelcaro: i did earlier today |
| 05:54.01 | pressureman_ | why is fbcon hated? |
| 05:54.09 | TigerWraith | whats the command to see your ip |
| 05:54.10 | pressureman_ | why does debian use it by default with their stock kernel? |
| 05:54.12 | jim | pressureman_: slow |
| 05:54.13 | Kerpal | do i need to swap over to unstable? |
| 05:54.24 | Seb | pressureman_: this is something you set with setterm; I have: setterm -powerdown 0 -powersave off -blank 0 # no screen blanking in console |
| 05:54.24 | dondelelcaro | Kerpal: well, 5.8.7 is only in unstable. If you're trying to install that version, you're using unstable. |
| 05:54.26 | TigerWraith | ifconfg |
| 05:54.27 | pressureman_ | what's the alternative, without going to a fully gui? |
| 05:54.31 | dondelelcaro | !info perl etch |
| 05:54.35 | Danar | kadigibox: i recommend getting a livecd, and booting off it to see if it's your network or not |
| 05:54.35 | Kerpal | i mean testing.. |
| 05:54.36 | dpkg | perl: (Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language), section perl, is standard. Version: 5.8.7-3 (etch), Packaged size: 3292 kB, Installed size: 11384 kB |
| 05:54.38 | mdh | pressureman_: all non-x86 platforms need fbcon |
| 05:54.38 | Seb | pressureman_: *read* what I just said |
| 05:54.43 | dondelelcaro | !depends perl-suid etch |
| 05:54.45 | jim | dup rot swap over 0 do ." funky forth!" i . loop |
| 05:54.46 | tcsetattr | or maybe the question of whether the console blanking will work before I get bored and press the power button is like the question of how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop |
| 05:54.47 | pressureman_ | Seb: tried that, has no effect with vesafb. what driver do you use? |
| 05:54.48 | dpkg | perl-suid: depends on perl (= 5.8.7-3), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libperl5.8 (= 5.8.7-3) |
| 05:54.50 | Danar | kadigibox: if it works on the livecd, it's something in your current setup |
| 05:54.53 | person | is there anyway to get an application menu into xfce, i need xfce for the extra ram... |
| 05:54.54 | Seb | pressureman_: yeah, vesafb |
| 05:54.59 | Kerpal | hmm.. |
| 05:55.00 | Danar | kadigibox: if not, it's your connection |
| 05:55.10 | Seb | person: xfce does have a menu bar doesn't it ? |
| 05:55.11 | Danar | er, dns or something |
| 05:55.16 | Kerpal | openwebmail is pretty.. do I dare upgrade then downgrade for it? |
| 05:55.20 | dondelelcaro | Kerpal: so, as you can see, the problem is either with your package list, or your mirror. |
| 05:55.27 | pressureman_ | Seb: my screen blanks, but monitor doesn't standby. how about yours? |
| 05:55.27 | Kerpal | dondelelcaro: explain to me how stupid that would me. |
| 05:55.42 | person | not like GNOMES application menu or like the start menu in windoze |
| 05:55.42 | jim | Kerpal: perl specifically? you could try it; it doesn't have a database file or something like that to downgrade |
| 05:55.44 | mdh | person: the debian one is in there by default |
| 05:55.44 | Kerpal | my problem is i think, cause i started with testing? |
| 05:55.51 | Seb | person: well customize it bro |
| 05:55.53 | kadigibox | Danar its my connection |
| 05:55.55 | pressureman_ | is it better to run an SVGA text mode then? |
| 05:56.03 | dondelelcaro | Kerpal: if you're trying to install perl 5.8.7, you're at least running testing. |
| 05:56.05 | Seb | person: and what mdh said |
| 05:56.07 | pressureman_ | i mean, at least DPMS blanking worked in text mode |
| 05:56.16 | kadigibox | and there was resources I saw about people complaining about the same damn thing with the same damn modem |
| 05:56.17 | Seb | pressureman_: why don't you *try* it ? |
| 05:56.28 | Kerpal | dondelelcaro: hmm.. |
| 05:56.29 | mdh | person: unless you're not using the debian packages and have built it yourself or something and not configured it properly |
| 05:56.32 | pressureman_ | Seb: i've been trying things all friggin week! |
| 05:56.34 | Danar | kadigibox: could it not be the modem then? |
| 05:56.35 | jim | Danar, so Seb provides an interesting suggestion you could try... |
| 05:56.38 | jim | cd |
| 05:56.41 | Seb | Danar: tried oving your .firefox or .mozilla/firefox yet ? |
| 05:56.48 | jim | mv .mozilla inactive-.mozilla |
| 05:56.50 | Seb | pressureman_: obvsiouly that wasn't enough now was it ? |
| 05:56.56 | jim | try starting it after doing that |
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| 05:57.07 | Kerpal | dondelelcaro: i editied sources.list , put sarge where it was testing (effectively stable), apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 05:57.21 | Kerpal | would this explain things? is there anything wrong in that? |
| 05:57.21 | pressureman_ | all i want is a simple answer - does DPMS blanking work with vesafb, if not, then what is an alternative to a hi res text console, that won't burn my monitor |
| 05:57.27 | Danar | not yet... i was seeing if i could get it running at all first. keeps crashing |
| 05:57.41 | tcsetattr | SVGATextMode, pressureman_ |
| 05:57.44 | arun | hi guys |
| 05:57.45 | Seb | !confuse Danar |
| 05:57.46 | dpkg | No, where was my bacon today, Danar? trousers of the dictatorship of belarus with extra cheese |
| 05:57.50 | jim | Kerpal: when I suggested restoring from backup as a way to downgrade, I thought you meant the general case meaning all your packages |
| 05:57.54 | arun | something has happened to my debiann server |
| 05:58.00 | j_k | pressureman_: I use ratpoison and aterm. |
| 05:58.01 | arun | it isn't resolving hosts |
| 05:58.06 | Kerpal | jim: its ok |
| 05:58.08 | Seb | arun: what did *you* change ? |
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| 05:58.20 | person | well, i ran synaptic and got the xfce 4 pakage and what it depends on, and i log in from GDM, and i have a menu bar but i cant find the debian menu anywhere |
| 05:58.23 | Kerpal | jim: i figured it was like me teling kadigibox to burn his dsl modem |
| 05:58.23 | pressureman_ | j_k: literally, or are those package names? |
| 05:58.29 | arun | my resolvconfcopntains nameserver 172.17.1.0 |
| 05:58.34 | jim | arun: look at your /etc/resolv.conf and see if it looks reasonable |
| 05:58.40 | Danar | so you want me to rename ~/firefox, right? |
| 05:58.48 | mdh | person: right-click on the menu bar |
| 05:58.49 | arun | resolv.conf = nameserver 172.17.1.0 |
| 05:58.52 | Seb | person: tried right-clicking on the desktop ? |
| 05:58.56 | jim | arun: is that a machine? |
| 05:58.59 | person | yup |
| 05:59.00 | Seb | Danar: would be convenient if you could read, too |
| 05:59.02 | arun | yeah |
| 05:59.04 | person | Seb: yes |
| 05:59.04 | jim | what netmask? |
| 05:59.07 | j_k | pressureman_: these are package names :-) ratpoison is a screen-like window manager, and aterm is a less buggy rxvt (iirc). |
| 05:59.07 | arun | our internal dns |
| 05:59.15 | Danar | Seb: it is rather busy in here |
| 05:59.22 | person | mdh : then... |
| 05:59.22 | arun | its working fine as i can ping from other hosts |
| 05:59.28 | Seb | Danar: scrolling back up is good, eat some |
| 05:59.29 | jim | Danar, so Seb provides an interesting suggestion you could try... |
| 05:59.35 | jim | cd |
| 05:59.37 | jim | mv .mozilla inactive-.mozilla |
| 05:59.40 | jim | try starting it after doing that |
| 05:59.41 | j_k | pressureman_: it got me use X, and that's an achievement! |
| 05:59.47 | jim | there :P |
| 05:59.57 | person | i didn;t see anything in the help pages for xfce about it |
| 05:59.59 | Seb | jim: you're such a nice guy :> |
| 06:00.05 | pressureman_ | i don't want to run X - i just want a nice hi res console |
| 06:00.07 | jim | not all the time :P |
| 06:00.15 | Seb | person: tried *middle*-clicking the desktop ? left-clicking ? |
| 06:00.19 | arun | guys, any ideas ? |
| 06:00.20 | j_k | pressureman_: well, that's not really like running X. |
| 06:00.23 | person | yes |
| 06:00.28 | arun | ping: unknown host gmail.com |
| 06:00.29 | person | that shows what i have runnign |
| 06:00.33 | jim | arun: wut ur netmask? |
| 06:00.34 | Seb | person: tried *reading* some xfce docs ? |
| 06:00.35 | mdh | actually aterm started as a ripoff of wterm with the copyrights changed to Sasha |
| 06:00.38 | person | yes |
| 06:00.42 | j_k | pressureman_: I can put a screenshot somewhere if you want do juge by yourself. |
| 06:00.42 | pressureman_ | this server doesn't need a gui, but 80x25 is a bit ugly |
| 06:00.43 | TigerWraith | http://twgp.webhop.net what are you guys seeing |
| 06:00.43 | arun | thats what i get when i try t ping hosts on Inet |
| 06:00.45 | person | nothing helped |
| 06:00.48 | jim | arun: wut ur netmask? |
| 06:00.50 | Overfiend | Manoj, Manoj, Manoj: svn log http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/ Pipe it through your favorite pager and read the dates. :-{ |
| 06:00.56 | Danar | did that, now it says 'any old extensions you have have been disabled' |
| 06:00.59 | Danar | joy :( |
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| 06:01.03 | arun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.07 | bloom | person: have you tried clicking, right-clicking and middle-clicking on the desktop under xfce? |
| 06:01.08 | arun | its /12 |
| 06:01.13 | Danar | i have sessionsaver |
| 06:01.13 | Seb | Danar: does it *start* ? |
| 06:01.16 | jim | Danar: does it start? |
| 06:01.21 | Seb | jim: :> |
| 06:01.21 | Danar | waiting to see... |
| 06:01.26 | person | bloom : yes |
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| 06:01.31 | pressureman_ | j_k: thanks for the offer, but i think i'll just switch back to an SVGA text mode. it sounds like everybody here hates fbcon. still can't figure out why debian (and ubuntu, and gentoo) use it by default |
| 06:01.35 | jim | in less than 15 milliseconds? |
| 06:01.43 | kadigibox | woohoo I got it to work |
| 06:01.43 | arun | jim: ? |
| 06:01.44 | Danar | jim: never does |
| 06:01.49 | kadigibox | it was a damn DNS problem |
| 06:01.56 | j_k | pressureman_: because then you can run a ML terminal emulator over it. |
| 06:01.56 | Seb | jim: do the same with .firefox |
| 06:01.58 | person | i really need the extra 30 megs of ram tho |
| 06:01.58 | Seb | hrm |
| 06:02.01 | mdh | pressureman_: fbcon is required for non-x86 platforms. that why everyone uses it by default |
| 06:02.01 | effy | test |
| 06:02.02 | Seb | Danar: do the same with .firefox |
| 06:02.16 | Seb | pressureman_: note how mdh already mentioned this to you |
| 06:02.26 | Danar | don't have .firefox |
| 06:02.28 | pressureman_ | mdh: so why is it on the x86 cd of debian (and others) |
| 06:02.39 | jim | Danar: we're NOT having you -delete- them... so: if you come up with a fix, you still have your old profile |
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| 06:02.42 | Seb | Danar: do you start firefox command-line ? If not, do that |
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| 06:02.46 | Seb | you might get helpful messages |
| 06:02.47 | j_k | pressureman_: fbcon is not something to hate, but is certainly is much hevier that a simple text mode console. |
| 06:02.59 | mdh | pressureman_: are you volunteering to maintain a completely separate, wildly different x86 installer? |
| 06:03.00 | tengulre | how to change root password |
| 06:03.00 | bloom | [bloom@cat-in-the-hat ~]$ apt-file list xfwm | grep menu | grep -v themes |
| 06:03.01 | bloom | xfwm4: usr/lib/menu/xfwm4 |
| 06:03.02 | person | Seb : mozilla-firefox |
| 06:03.02 | jim | (of course, if you deleted instead of mvd, dats on yue!) |
| 06:03.08 | bloom | person: so obviously it's possible |
| 06:03.09 | Danar | Seb: usually when i try that it segfaults |
| 06:03.10 | pressureman_ | no thanks mdh |
| 06:03.22 | tcsetattr | I hate how it destroys the ability to scroll back in the console with shift-pgup all the way to the BIOS hardware list |
| 06:03.27 | Seb | Danar: so how would it not segfault if you started it some other way ? |
| 06:03.28 | TigerWraith | can anyone tell me how to connect to my local webserver so i can upload files from a windows box |
| 06:03.29 | tcsetattr | that is too cool a feature to give up |
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| 06:03.36 | pressureman_ | but i thought the installer used ncurses, which should work in text mode anyway |
| 06:03.37 | mdh | pressureman_: that's what the guys who do maintain the installer think too =) |
| 06:03.37 | Seb | Danar: try it again, and tell us if it segfaults |
| 06:03.43 | tengulre | how to change root password? |
| 06:03.43 | bloom | person: nevermind. that means nothing -- that seems to be where application menu files live |
| 06:03.46 | Danar | Seb: dunno, but it usually starts after a while when i click an icon to launch it |
| 06:03.51 | person | tengulre : passwd root |
| 06:03.54 | jim | segfaults? got stable ram, motherboard, cpu, video card? |
| 06:03.55 | Seb | Danar: try command line |
| 06:03.57 | person | i think |
| 06:04.36 | Danar | Seb: i am, but it goes into "*** loading the extensions datasource" loops for a while |
| 06:04.45 | TigerWraith | do i need something to do FTP with? |
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| 06:04.50 | Danar | then it'll prolly segfault again |
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| 06:05.07 | Danar | yep |
| 06:05.16 | Danar | *** loading the extensions datasource |
| 06:05.16 | Danar | Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file |
| 06:05.16 | Danar | zsh: 18272 segmentation fault firefox |
| 06:05.17 | Kerpal | hmm... i think --ignore-depends perl-suid then, i can just plop a perl-suid in there.. :? |
| 06:05.35 | dondelelcaro | Kerpal: no, you can't. Install the proper version of perl-suid already |
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| 06:05.51 | jim | Kerpal: install that peril at your perl! |
| 06:05.59 | jim | err vise versa |
| 06:06.02 | dondelelcaro | Kerpal: if your mirror doesn't have it, switch mirrors, or download it and install it manually |
| 06:06.32 | jim | why perl-suid? |
| 06:06.43 | person | bloom : so should i try using xfwm instead of GDM? |
| 06:06.43 | jim | why not get the one whose version -matches-? |
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| 06:07.07 | jim | it's a jungle out there... |
| 06:07.14 | jungle | :) |
| 06:07.17 | pressureman_ | haha... grep blank /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11/drivers/video/vesafb.* - nothing |
| 06:07.20 | bloom | person: xfwm and gdm have nothing to do with each other |
| 06:07.29 | arun | any one ? |
| 06:07.36 | bloom | person: xfwm is a window manager, gdm is a display manager (which handles logins) |
| 06:07.43 | pressureman_ | all the other drivers, tons of lines with 'blank'. guess vesafb doesn't implement hardware screen blanking |
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| 06:08.14 | TigerWraith | can anyone help me so i can ftp to my server |
| 06:08.25 | Seb | TigerWraith: install an ftp server ? |
| 06:08.30 | jim | pressureman_: vesa is probably very generic... so doesn't take advantage of any specific hardware specialties |
| 06:08.33 | bloom | person: xfwm is the window manager which is built into xfce |
| 06:08.36 | mdh | person: do you launch xfce using "startxfce4" in your ~/.xsession? |
| 06:08.43 | TigerWraith | Seb: i did apt-get install ftp |
| 06:08.45 | pressureman_ | jim: i thought DPMS ~was~ a VESA standard? |
| 06:08.50 | TigerWraith | said i had up to date |
| 06:08.54 | Seb | TigerWraith: apt-get install vsftpd or proftpd |
| 06:09.03 | Seb | TigerWraith: ftp is an FTP *client* |
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| 06:09.09 | TigerWraith | ahh ic |
| 06:09.21 | person | no, booted to GDM and choose Xfce session |
| 06:09.25 | TigerWraith | ok i need the ftp server so i can ftp my webpages from my windows box |
| 06:09.26 | pressureman_ | i'll try with rivafb again... but it sure didn't like panning before. |
| 06:09.34 | ce_cR | hola |
| 06:09.37 | Seb | TigerWraith: yeah. Go ahead and install it. |
| 06:09.40 | Danar | so does this mean no one has a clue? |
| 06:09.54 | Seb | Danar: well, did you get a core file ? |
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| 06:10.03 | Danar | it appears to be segfaulting no matter what now |
| 06:10.10 | Danar | Seb: uh... ? |
| 06:10.16 | Seb | Danar: ls ~/core* |
| 06:10.21 | jim | pressureman_: that could be... but still, I've never seen any instance where a monitor reporting its supported resolutions thru dpms actually got those resolutions without them being configured |
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| 06:10.46 | TigerWraith | ok Seb how do i set it up so i can have access to my public_html folder |
| 06:10.50 | Danar | no matches found |
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| 06:10.54 | Seb | Danar: limit coredumpsize unlimited # allow coredumps |
| 06:11.01 | Seb | Danar: then retry starting firefox |
| 06:11.11 | Seb | Danar: you should then get a corefile |
| 06:11.25 | Seb | TigerWraith: you read the documentation for the FTP server you just installed |
| 06:11.27 | Danar | limit: limit exceeds hard limit |
| 06:11.31 | pressureman_ | jim: thanks... i'll try rivafb, and let you know how it goes. i'm not above dropping fbcon altogether and just using svgatextmode |
| 06:11.41 | Seb | TigerWraith: or you plainly try to ftp to you server and see if it works directly |
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| 06:11.57 | pressureman_ | gentoo does do some very cool things with fbcon in the installer, and bootsplash/splashy depend on it... |
| 06:12.15 | Seb | Danar: limit coredumpsize 0 then |
| 06:12.22 | person | i found a package that might help.... |
| 06:12.23 | pressureman_ | but at the end of the day, this is a server, and most connections are via ssh, so the console doesn't really make a lot of difference |
| 06:12.24 | Seb | Danar: unlimited must be only for more recent zshs |
| 06:12.38 | jim | when you do, pressureman_, let me know also what kinds of things you do with it (maybe so I get an increased idea of what's possible0 |
| 06:12.40 | jim | ) |
| 06:12.41 | Danar | AFAIK i have the latest... (that's in the deb repo anyway) |
| 06:13.12 | Seb | Danar: try 0 anyway |
| 06:13.13 | jim | Danar: you've quotaed yourself out? :) |
| 06:13.16 | Danar | did |
| 06:13.20 | pressureman_ | jim: if you have the latest gentoo cd, just fire that up and check out what they do |
| 06:13.48 | bluefox83 | is there an easy way to set a .jpg as the desktop image in icewm? |
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| 06:14.09 | Seb | pressureman_: if you had to be money, how much would it be ? I mean, that jim (or a random person in here) has the latest gentoo cd ? |
| 06:14.14 | Seb | to bet* |
| 06:14.22 | Danar | no matches found |
| 06:14.35 | Seb | bluefox83: use qiv or feh |
| 06:14.37 | pressureman_ | Seb: not everybody is as religious about distros as you |
| 06:14.45 | Seb | Danar: limit coredumpsize |
| 06:14.56 | pressureman_ | Seb: sometimes it helps to check out what the other distros are doing |
| 06:15.01 | Danar | coredumpsize 0kB |
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| 06:15.07 | Seb | pressureman_: well, how much money would you bet ? THat a a plain and simple question ? |
| 06:15.13 | Seb | Danar: limit coredumpsize 100000 |
| 06:15.17 | Seb | Danar: limit coredumpsize 10000000 even |
| 06:15.20 | Seb | Danar: make it something big |
| 06:15.22 | Seb | and retry |
| 06:15.27 | pressureman_ | Seb: a zillion dollars |
| 06:15.45 | Seb | pressureman_: what % of #debian do oyu think have the latest gentoo CD ? Since you're trying to be smart. |
| 06:15.46 | jim | you'd lose with me :) I don't have one :) |
| 06:15.53 | Seb | jim: of course :> |
| 06:15.58 | Danar | (%:~)- limit coredumpsize 1 |
| 06:15.58 | Danar | limit: limit exceeds hard limit |
| 06:16.01 | bluefox83 | Seb, exactly how are 2 image viewers going to let me set a .jpg to the desktop image in icewm? |
| 06:16.12 | Seb | bluefox83: reading their man page would tell you |
| 06:16.12 | Danar | won't let me make it anything |
| 06:16.21 | Seb | bluefox83: or do ou think i just threw 2 random package names to you ? |
| 06:16.26 | Seb | Danar: that is weird |
| 06:16.37 | pressureman_ | Seb: i'm not trying to be smart, and frankly your attitude could do with some adjustment |
| 06:16.56 | bluefox83 | Seb, some people like to know why they are recommended packages before they install them.. |
| 06:17.03 | jim | he does help, just not all the time |
| 06:17.22 | Seb | pressureman_: i was just pointing that asking someone here to boot the latest gentoo CD is prolly not gonna be successful |
| 06:17.32 | Seb | bluefox83: well, they would help you setting a background image |
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| 06:17.39 | jim | Danar: find out what this "hard limit" thing is and try to adjust it |
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| 06:17.50 | pressureman_ | Seb: jim wanted to know what was possible with fbcon. i was merely giving gentoo as a good example of what could be done. |
| 06:17.50 | Seb | Danar: what jim said. prolly a ulimit thing |
| 06:17.52 | Danar | jim: /me asks in here |
| 06:18.20 | pressureman_ | Seb: i expect the splashy (experimental) will eventually make the debian distros have lots of eye candy in the console too |
| 06:18.21 | concept10 | where do I set the dma flag to on so it will be there when I boot? |
| 06:18.38 | jim | I never played with any of these limit or ulimit things |
| 06:18.45 | Danar | me neither |
| 06:18.49 | Seb | pressureman_: eyecandy and console just odn't go together, mate |
| 06:19.02 | pressureman_ | Seb: tell that to redhat |
| 06:19.06 | Seb | Danar: retyr the one with unlimited |
| 06:19.16 | Seb | pressureman_: haha, dude you're pretty funny, I have to admit |
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| 06:19.25 | bluefox83 | whoa, that was cool, i didn't know you could use third party software to set a background in icewm... |
| 06:19.27 | DNAmania | animated 24-bit color fonts in the console, that's what we need. |
| 06:19.27 | audian | There is no end to the torture that is linux >.> |
| 06:19.29 | Danar | (%:~)- limit coredumpsize unlimited |
| 06:19.29 | Danar | limit: limit exceeds hard limit |
| 06:19.41 | concept10 | have you guys heard of bashish? |
| 06:19.49 | pressureman_ | eye candy and marketing seem to go together, and well-marketed distros get the attention of commercial vendor support |
| 06:19.50 | concept10 | themes for the console |
| 06:19.53 | bluefox83 | no but i've heard of hashish :P |
| 06:19.58 | concept10 | lol |
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| 06:20.15 | jim | concept10: writing shell scripts that cause everything to buzz? |
| 06:20.19 | mdh | bluefox83: its the same, you can just script it in bourne syntax ;) |
| 06:20.29 | Seb | bluefox83: see :) |
| 06:20.36 | audian | I am going to throw this brand new x800pro out the window and go back to my old nvidia. |
| 06:20.38 | Seb | Danar: k now try limit coredumpsize |
| 06:20.44 | bluefox83 | Seb, that was pretty cool, thanks for the recommendation |
| 06:20.49 | Seb | bluefox83: no problem |
| 06:20.53 | mdh | audian: send it to me instead ;) |
| 06:20.53 | Danar | (%:~)- limit coredumpsize |
| 06:20.54 | Danar | coredumpsize 0kB |
| 06:21.01 | audian | mdh, you wish... =/ |
| 06:21.02 | concept10 | bashish http://bashish.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:21.09 | Seb | bluefox83: the good hting with debian is you cna safely apt-get install whaever people in here recommend, and apt-get remove them if they don't do what you'd like ;) |
| 06:21.11 | bluefox83 | i got to watch my old background melt away and be replaced by my new one..it was very cool |
| 06:21.14 | audian | mdh, it is imposable to install drivers for this >.< |
| 06:21.16 | Seb | Danar: shit |
| 06:21.16 | jm_ | audian: which nvidia card? |
| 06:21.20 | Seb | Danar: well then try bash or sh |
| 06:21.27 | Seb | Danar: and maybe you'll get a coredump form that |
| 06:21.30 | bluefox83 | that's true |
| 06:21.32 | mdh | audian: probably because its so new. |
| 06:21.36 | audian | jm_, was kidding, its agp anyways.. this is a pci-e board |
| 06:21.39 | concept10 | I know someone knows where to set dma everytime i boot, help please! |
| 06:21.47 | Seb | bluefox83: that's why we're not used to having to justify what we recommend first thing :> |
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| 06:21.49 | mdh | audian: do the ati binary-only drivers even support the x800pro ? |
| 06:22.04 | audian | mdh, I think so |
| 06:22.10 | audian | mdh, pretty sure.. |
| 06:22.15 | mdh | !ati drivers |
| 06:22.15 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 06:22.27 | audian | Yeah see... and higher. |
| 06:22.30 | Seb | pressureman_: "the attention of commericla vendor" is not one of the Debian goals, that must be why, then |
| 06:22.31 | jim | how do I see if my drives are set to dma or not? if it's possible/useful/safe to do si? |
| 06:22.39 | Seb | jim: hdparm /dev/hda |
| 06:22.40 | mdh | audian: did you follow those instructions? |
| 06:22.45 | Seb | jim: and look for the dma line |
| 06:22.54 | Seb | jim: it's perfectly safe |
| 06:22.59 | Kerpal | anyone know how to tell if a password is crypt or md5 or password() in a mysql db? |
| 06:22.59 | Danar | still no core file |
| 06:23.07 | audian | mdh, Oh.. that site makes my brain explode.. im to new to linux for that.. it would take me a week to do that |
| 06:23.10 | Seb | Danar: even with bash ? |
| 06:23.10 | jim | /dev/hda: Permission denied |
| 06:23.13 | Danar | nope |
| 06:23.23 | foxiness | hi...if i use ln -s to create link ,how can i break it than |
| 06:23.24 | pressureman_ | Seb: that's why i'm not 100% sure i'll stick with debian. it's damn good, but this is the real world we live in. |
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| 06:23.39 | jim | oop! oot! shod do it as root! |
| 06:23.42 | Seb | pressureman_: this, now, is a perfectly valid argument |
| 06:23.50 | Seb | jim: yeah |
| 06:24.06 | jim | foxiness: you mean undo? just rm it |
| 06:24.20 | pressureman_ | Seb: at least ubuntu, drawing upon excellent examples from debian as far as the OS go, are also trying to garner the same kind of commercial support as redhat enjoys |
| 06:24.32 | jim | foxiness: look into symbolic links and what they are |
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| 06:24.40 | Seb | pressureman_: which debian doesn't care for |
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| 06:24.49 | pressureman_ | Seb: i realise that a lot of this conflicts with what debian stands for, and won't hold my breath waiting for that to change |
| 06:24.56 | audian | wish I had more time to fiddle with this.. |
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| 06:24.58 | Seb | pressureman_: exactly |
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| 06:25.10 | pressureman_ | Seb: but i can see why people moan about the politics in the debian camp |
| 06:25.18 | mdh | pressureman_: it doesn't conflict with what debian stands for, its just that there are more important things to do |
| 06:25.19 | Seb | pressureman_: k |
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| 06:25.33 | bob2 | ubuntu has the advantage of actually having a company to back it up |
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| 06:25.44 | jim | pressureman_: redhat was probably bought up by the same nasty capital investor that destroyed arsdigita |
| 06:25.56 | audian | Ok.. if anyone knows how to install the latest ATI drivers.. could you walk me through it? |
| 06:25.58 | pressureman_ | Seb: don't get me wrong - i like debian, and managed the deployment of debian on a 30-server farm in st petersburg, russia. it ran like a dream. |
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| 06:26.11 | Seb | audian: there is a very good howto that google knows about |
| 06:26.12 | foxiness | jim,thanks now its rm |
| 06:26.15 | Seb | audian: works just fine |
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| 06:26.20 | Danar | ubuntu could help spread the debian package system, which is a good thing |
| 06:26.28 | audian | Seb, ive looked at most of them... they confuse me |
| 06:26.31 | tcsetattr | you think maybe that's because the community works better without corporate interference? |
| 06:26.33 | pressureman_ | but when you want to install something like vmware GSX server on it, as far as support, you're on your own. |
| 06:26.34 | Seb | pressureman_: for servers Debian is da ultimate shit, yeah |
| 06:26.38 | mdh | audian: read those instructions slower :) |
| 06:26.42 | Seb | audian: this one is clear, and should not confuse you |
| 06:26.49 | Danar | linux in enterprise is usually redhat 'cause they have commercial support |
| 06:26.49 | pressureman_ | commercial vendors won't go near debian, because they're scared off by the politics |
| 06:26.50 | Seb | audian: i think they guy maintaining it is Flavio |
| 06:26.54 | Seb | or some italian name :) |
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| 06:27.06 | pressureman_ | Danar: exactly |
| 06:27.13 | mdh | Seb: that's the ones that "make my brain explode" |
| 06:27.14 | Seb | bah, I have like ~ 100 Debian servers in my company |
| 06:27.17 | Seb | fortune 100 too :> |
| 06:27.22 | Danar | ubuntu could help with that |
| 06:27.23 | Seb | true, some of them management doesn't know about |
| 06:27.30 | pressureman_ | most telcos that run linux - run redhat. |
| 06:27.34 | Seb | but all our prodycts are mastered/burnt on Debian :> |
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| 06:27.44 | pressureman_ | i'm not saying that's wise, but it's the reality of the situation |
| 06:27.51 | jim | Flavio... some big longhaird dude model that wears lots of clocks and goes out with Bridgitte Nielson? |
| 06:27.56 | mdh | pressureman_: Redhat made a telco-certified version of RHEL |
| 06:27.58 | Danar | Seb: so what now? |
| 06:28.11 | Seb | Danar: well you have some kind of hard limit set |
| 06:28.13 | pressureman_ | mdh: and how did it get to that stage |
| 06:28.14 | technos | Fabio? |
| 06:28.16 | Seb | that prevents you from getting coredumps |
| 06:28.19 | Seb | so... |
| 06:28.24 | Seb | Danar: strace firefox |
| 06:28.30 | Seb | Danar: this is gonna be a lot of output |
| 06:28.43 | Seb | but at least near the end it should tell you what it is doing prior to crashing |
| 06:28.45 | Danar | :/ should i pipe it to something? |
| 06:28.49 | mdh | jim: that's Fabio, "the most beautiful man in the cosmos" |
| 06:28.52 | Seb | Danar: > to a file |
| 06:29.04 | Seb | ah, Fabio, not Flavio |
| 06:29.06 | Seb | true |
| 06:29.10 | Danar | holy crap |
| 06:29.14 | jim | mdh: flavio flav? |
| 06:29.19 | myren | are Nokia the only phones with an API such that you can program for them? |
| 06:29.25 | mdh | !ati drivers |
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| 06:29.25 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 06:29.26 | Danar | uh, this looks like it'll fill my HDD! |
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| 06:29.31 | Seb | jim: that's a reference I can sure go with :D |
| 06:29.33 | mdh | that's what we're talking about |
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| 06:29.48 | technos | You mean Fabio, "I tried to eat a pigeon on a roller coaster and all I got was this smashed in nose" |
| 06:29.55 | Seb | Danar: nah, no worries |
| 06:29.57 | mdh | audian: I have faith that your brain will not actually explode by reading and following those instructions |
| 06:30.07 | Danar | Seb: CTRL+Ced it. it keeps looping |
| 06:30.08 | jim | Danar: hopefully the segfault you get isn't a result of just filling the hd |
| 06:30.26 | Danar | it's givving hunreds of lines per loop, and it loops for a while... |
| 06:30.34 | Seb | Danar: which firefox |
| 06:30.39 | Danar | ?? |
| 06:30.42 | audian | This is not for the faint of hearth or the uninitiated. If you never tried to build a Debian package from source, learn how to do that before you come back here. |
| 06:30.43 | Seb | Danar: type it |
| 06:30.43 | audian | =[ |
| 06:30.48 | Danar | firefox from command line |
| 06:30.57 | Danar | which should be the package installed version |
| 06:30.58 | Seb | audian: he does have binary packages |
| 06:31.12 | Seb | Danar: no, 'which firefox' should give you a path |
| 06:31.23 | mdh | audian: he's just trying to scare away small children and animals |
| 06:31.24 | jim | tell that path |
| 06:31.27 | Danar | oh, that |
| 06:31.29 | Danar | /usr/bin/firefox |
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| 06:31.45 | Seb | Danar: well then apt-get install --reinstall mozilla-firefox :\ |
| 06:31.51 | Seb | audian: makes sense now |
| 06:31.59 | Danar | Seb: already did |
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| 06:32.12 | Danar | that's when it complained about the noia theme, remember? |
| 06:32.35 | Seb | Danar: reinstalling a pakcage should complain about themes, Ithink |
| 06:32.41 | amaral | ea |
| 06:32.44 | Seb | Danar: where is this noia theme then ? |
| 06:32.54 | Danar | Seb: i reinstalled it, and when i started ff, it complained about it |
| 06:33.00 | mdh | Seb: if ~/.mozilla/firefox is moved away, it cannot complain about themes because there are none to complain about! |
| 06:33.04 | Danar | Seb: /me shrugs |
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| 06:33.25 | Seb | mdh: well then Danar is not reporting problems correctly... |
| 06:33.29 | Danar | maybe i should move .mozilla back |
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| 06:33.41 | mdh | Danar: if you uninstall mozilla-firefox, make sure you also remove any leftover crud in /usr/share/firefox |
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| 06:34.01 | Seb | Danar: try apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox |
| 06:34.11 | Seb | Danar: and then clean up the directory mdh pointed you to |
| 06:34.15 | Seb | Danar: then reinstall |
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| 06:34.26 | Seb | tarzeau: sup |
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| 06:34.38 | mdh | Danar: its /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox actually |
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| 06:35.01 | mdh | Danar: and /etc/mozila-firefox/ |
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| 06:35.27 | audian | I quit. Moving in 1 day and I wont see this comp in like.. 3weeks anyways |
| 06:35.36 | Danar | oy |
| 06:35.46 | Danar | i'd rather not lose my profiles! |
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| 06:35.56 | jm_ | profile is in ~ |
| 06:36.03 | mdh | Danar: that's why you have moved ~/.mozilla/firefox (your profile) out of the way |
| 06:36.04 | person | does anyone knows how to get an application menu/start menu thing going in xfce 4 |
| 06:36.19 | bob2 | person: #xfce might know more |
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| 06:37.28 | donpablo | looking after a bittorent client |
| 06:37.41 | audian | whats... x.org |
| 06:37.49 | Danar | !xorg |
| 06:37.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 06:38.08 | Seb | donpablo: apt-cache search bittorrent |
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| 06:39.05 | deepz | bye |
| 06:39.19 | agabus | so gcc 4 in is testing now? |
| 06:39.49 | deepz | hey guys |
| 06:39.53 | jm_ | donpablo: I found rtorrent to be really nice, but it's not packaged (yet ?) |
| 06:39.59 | deepz | i ahev problem in gnome configuration |
| 06:40.06 | mdh | agabus: its in unstable, I used it to build my window manager :) |
| 06:40.09 | deepz | its asking me video card bus identifier |
| 06:40.20 | mdh | deepz: lspci -X |
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| 06:40.21 | deepz | i have a intel 845gvsrl motherboard |
| 06:40.32 | deepz | thks |
| 06:40.35 | deepz | dude |
| 06:40.39 | mdh | sweet |
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| 06:41.27 | agabus | mdh - i just updated my apt and i run testing, and it says upgrade available for libgcc1 from 1:3.4.3-13 to 1:4.0.0-9. |
| 06:41.34 | Seb | Danar: any luck ? |
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| 06:41.37 | Coffee | at what site can i download *.ko files? |
| 06:41.39 | mdh | agabus: nice |
| 06:41.46 | jm_ | Coffee: they come with kernel images |
| 06:41.47 | Danar | Seb: just cleaned it out. reinstalling now |
| 06:41.47 | person_ | no ones on 3xfce |
| 06:41.51 | Seb | Danar: k |
| 06:41.53 | agabus | mdh - but if i upgrade to that, i |
| 06:41.54 | person_ | #xfce* |
| 06:42.03 | Coffee | jm_: not with mine :/ |
| 06:42.03 | agabus | i've heard i'll have problems compiling stuff |
| 06:42.19 | jm_ | Coffee: you are using 2.4 kernel, .ko is a 2.6 thing |
| 06:42.26 | Seb | Coffee: what kernel do you run ? Did you compile it yourself ? |
| 06:42.29 | Danar | Seb: well, firefox started fine |
| 06:42.31 | mdh | agabus: only if you use it. gcc4 isn't default still |
| 06:42.34 | aztv | is there a debian package for mplayer? |
| 06:42.35 | Seb | Danar: :) |
| 06:42.38 | Danar | Seb: and quickly |
| 06:42.50 | Seb | Danar: so it was some cruf in the dirs mdh mentioned. Thank him for that. |
| 06:42.53 | Seb | cruft |
| 06:42.54 | bob2 | aztv: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 06:42.55 | Danar | Seb: minus my profiles >:P |
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| 06:43.03 | Danar | mdh: thx |
| 06:43.04 | Coffee | jm_ : 2.6, id did not compile it |
| 06:43.06 | Seb | Danar: well you can put your profile back in place now |
| 06:43.13 | Danar | Seb: i hope :p |
| 06:43.19 | Seb | Danar: quit firefox first |
| 06:43.22 | mdh | agabus: gcc is still gcc 3.3.6, you have to explicitly call gcc4 with "gcc-4.0" |
| 06:43.23 | jm_ | Coffee: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 06:43.23 | Danar | yeh |
| 06:43.25 | Seb | Danar: before you mv it back |
| 06:43.28 | agabus | mdh - ah k. i wish they would hurry up with gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 :( do u have any of them in unstable yet? |
| 06:43.43 | Coffee | jm_: k |
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| 06:43.57 | mdh | Danar: yw. now, what you want to do with your new profile is quit firefox, and move your bookmarks etc from your backup profile over to your new one |
| 06:44.01 | Danar | Seb: uh... still not using my profiles |
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| 06:44.15 | Seb | agabus: you wish they "would hurry up" ? |
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| 06:44.24 | mdh | Danar: I normally just copy bookmarks.html back, but once I even did passwords.dat and it worked... |
| 06:44.26 | directhex | !win mdh |
| 06:44.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, mdh! You have won the US presidency! |
| 06:44.31 | Seb | Danar: listen to mdh |
| 06:44.39 | directhex | that's the first time someone who isn't me has mentionned the -X flag to lspci |
| 06:44.39 | Seb | lucky mdh |
| 06:44.42 | Danar | mdh: there's a lot more i need to keep than bookmarks |
| 06:44.43 | xydarcher | hi, is there any tool can help me get the collisions on the LAN? |
| 06:44.48 | mdh | sweet! I always wanted some interns! |
| 06:44.56 | agabus | Seb - yeah? |
| 06:44.58 | Seb | Danar: do you have .firefox by any chance now ? |
| 06:45.01 | Danar | mdh: i put a lot of time & effort into my profiles, and i hate losing them |
| 06:45.13 | Danar | nope |
| 06:45.38 | Seb | agabus: thought about helping them out ? So it comes out faster for the rest of us too ? |
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| 06:46.03 | mdh | Danar: I know... I know.. :) you'll probably want your cookies.txt, history.dat, cert8.db, ... |
| 06:46.11 | agabus | Seb - yeah i have, but i dont code so all i really do is help out in the irc chanels :( |
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| 06:46.17 | Danar | i suspect i deleted my profiles, that they were being kept in one of the places i was told to clean :( |
| 06:46.25 | Seb | agabus: you can help with translation, documention, plenty of things |
| 06:46.32 | Danar | mdh: i use sessionsaver too... |
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| 06:46.49 | Danar | mdh: and my prefs.js... |
| 06:46.54 | mdh | Danar: your profile is kept in ~/.mozilla/firefox/ |
| 06:47.08 | Danar | mdh: it may be, but firefox isn't using it |
| 06:47.12 | agabus | Seb - i dont think im the man for that kinda job :( |
| 06:47.16 | Seb | Danar: did oyu mv it ? |
| 06:47.18 | mdh | Danar: so you can restore it from the backup you made of that |
| 06:47.20 | Danar | yeah |
| 06:47.28 | Danar | wait |
| 06:47.29 | Seb | agabus: then make sure you don't complain because it doesn't go fast enough for you |
| 06:47.31 | Danar | thought of something |
| 06:47.39 | Seb | Danar: you moved it inside the existing one |
| 06:47.46 | Danar | gah |
| 06:47.47 | Nak | hi I install j2re in Debian and want t run a *.jar file but < jva -jar myfile.jar> don't work any one can help me to run ??! |
| 06:47.51 | Danar | it doesn't see my profiles at all |
| 06:47.54 | Seb | Danar: mv .mozilla/firefox/firefox ./good-one |
| 06:47.56 | Danar | Seb: huh? |
| 06:47.58 | mdh | Danar: personally, when I know my profile is dodgy, I wouldn't blanket copy the old one over... because that would be mighty stupid of me. |
| 06:48.15 | Danar | Seb: no, i moved .mozilla to bk-.mozilla, and back again |
| 06:48.19 | Nak | hi I install j2re in Debian and want t run a *.jar file but < jva -jar myfile.jar> don't work any one can help me to run ??! |
| 06:48.33 | Coffee | jm_: i found /lib/modules/2.6.11/ but there are no *.ko files that i need. is there any site where i can download them? |
| 06:48.35 | Danar | mdh: i don't know my profile is dodgy |
| 06:48.38 | agabus | Seb - didn't mean to offend u, sorry. |
| 06:48.38 | Seb | Danar: well then in .zmozilla, you should have bk-.mozilla |
| 06:48.43 | mdh | I've only had to do this twice, once was back in the phoenix days ;) just copy the bits you know are okay like bookmarks.html |
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| 06:49.00 | jm_ | Coffee: what modules are you looking for? |
| 06:49.08 | mdh | and things like prefs.js and the themes and extensions just install from scratch again |
| 06:49.12 | Seb | agabus: it's cool. But you can people who do volunteer by not complaining about slowness if you don't want to help. |
| 06:49.17 | Seb | you can *respect* |
| 06:49.22 | Danar | Seb: hunh. you're right. odd |
| 06:49.28 | Seb | Danar: not odd, normal |
| 06:49.39 | Seb | Danar: so mv the bk-.mozilla in ~/ |
| 06:49.46 | Seb | Danar: rmdir mozilla |
| 06:49.59 | Seb | Danar: and then mv bk-.mozilla .mozilla |
| 06:49.59 | Danar | mdh: no, i don't. there's tons of alterations in prefs.js, and it takes time to get it all back, assuming i can ever remember everything |
| 06:50.18 | Coffee | jm_:snd-hwdep.ko snd-page-alloc.ko and few more and i need gcc-version.sh and /usr/src/linux-2.6.11/scripts/Makefile.build too |
| 06:50.31 | mdh | Danar: its not ideal, but mozilla don't really give us much choice :( |
| 06:50.52 | Seb | Coffee: what are you trying to achieve ? |
| 06:51.24 | Coffee | seb: install soundcard |
| 06:51.32 | Seb | Coffee: ran alsaconfig ? |
| 06:51.50 | Coffee | seb: it does not recognize my card :( |
| 06:52.02 | Seb | Coffee: what card is it ? |
| 06:52.07 | jm_ | Coffee: maybe those are new in 2.6.12? |
| 06:52.38 | Coffee | seb : so i'm compiling alsa-drivers now for Yamaha ymf719e-s it's in opl3sa2 |
| 06:52.47 | mdh | Coffee: use hwinfo and/or discover to help you. the alsa docs in /usr/share/doc/alsa-base talk about using discover when alsaconf doesn't work |
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| 06:53.26 | Coffee | mdh: thanx i'll try it |
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| 06:53.54 | Coffee | jm_: so where can i find them? |
| 06:54.06 | mdh | Coffee: also, check the alsa website, I actually went through it and two wikis (there's an alsa section on wiki.debian.net) today, the doco is good |
| 06:54.06 | Danar | Seb: taking forever again |
| 06:54.19 | Seb | Danar: then, as mdh said, your prfile is fucked |
| 06:54.21 | Coffee | mdh: i'm on it now :) |
| 06:54.23 | Danar | Seb: yeah |
| 06:54.25 | Danar | :( |
| 06:54.26 | jm_ | Coffee: first do the above - otherwise you can get 2.6.12 sources and build the kernel yourself |
| 06:54.27 | Seb | Danar: and you'll want to copy only the good bits |
| 06:54.36 | Seb | Danar: do it incrementally |
| 06:54.39 | jojon | ananda kenalan donk |
| 06:54.46 | prodope | i want to switch a hdd in my system, but i want to keep all the data... how would i copy everything over to the new hdd, but change some of the partitioning for /, /var, etc |
| 06:54.49 | mdh | Danar: I had to rebuild my profile when going from a 0.9x firefox to 1.0x |
| 06:54.50 | Danar | Seb: too much time :/ |
| 06:55.01 | Danar | i hate losing profiles |
| 06:55.02 | prodope | the current hdd is partition all in one |
| 06:55.03 | mdh | Danar: it was doing all sorts of crazy stunts, and being slow was one of them |
| 06:55.05 | jm_ | prodope: hard disk upgrade mini howto |
| 06:55.06 | Danar | it happens too often |
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| 06:55.18 | mdh | Danar: you can keep bookmarks.html - thats the one I hate to lose |
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| 06:55.28 | Seb | mdh: this one is backed up daily :> |
| 06:55.29 | prodope | jm_: thanks |
| 06:55.45 | ryoohki | is there a debian newbie channel? |
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| 06:55.52 | Seb | ryoohki: you're in it |
| 06:55.59 | Danar | mdh: i keep my important bookmarks online. the only bookmarks i have in firefox are quicksearches, bookmarklets & RSS feeds, mainly |
| 06:56.09 | Danar | and ones i access frequently that aren't easy to type |
| 06:56.22 | ryoohki | what's the .deb equivelent of "rpm -e package-name" |
| 06:56.26 | mdh | history.dat is probably fine too |
| 06:56.39 | jm_ | ryoohki: what does -e do? |
| 06:56.41 | Seb | ryoohki: if -e is for installing, dpkg -i *.deb would do that |
| 06:56.42 | mdh | as are the certificates and password and cookies |
| 06:57.00 | mdh | but I would dump prefs.js and anything to do with extensions and themes |
| 06:57.03 | ryoohki | -e eliminates |
| 06:57.08 | Danar | Rydekull: man dpkg might be helpful ;) |
| 06:57.09 | ryoohki | -Uvh installs |
| 06:57.11 | jm_ | ryoohki: man apt-get ; man dpkg |
| 06:57.12 | mdh | they are the likely candidates to cause problems |
| 06:57.16 | Seb | ryoohki: then do apt-get remove packagename |
| 06:57.20 | ryoohki | ok |
| 06:57.23 | jm_ | actually no, -U upgrades |
| 06:57.38 | Coffee | thanx to all bbl |
| 06:57.40 | ryoohki | apt-get update && apt-get install package |
| 06:57.43 | ryoohki | thanks |
| 06:57.43 | Danar | er, not Rydekull , sorry |
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| 06:58.21 | Danar | computers need a neural interface :p |
| 06:58.26 | lakbu | is debian 3.1's kernel 2.6.X ? |
| 06:58.55 | audian | i think its 2.4.27 |
| 06:59.01 | tim_h_ | lakbu: you can choose |
| 06:59.05 | jm_ | lakbu: installation manual will tell you |
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| 06:59.18 | technos | Danar: No thanks. I don't need a bad ethernet driver bringing down my visual cortex, or having to wait to hear anything while I recompile a sound driver. |
| 06:59.28 | audian | also uname -r? or whatever that is |
| 06:59.31 | audian | will tell you |
| 06:59.52 | Danar | technos: lol |
| 06:59.58 | Seb | audian: just guessing, he hasn't installed it yet |
| 07:00.01 | thegraham | How do I get exim4 to use submission port 587 for my smarthost? |
| 07:00.08 | lakbu | audian, im yet to download the iso images so i cant issue the uname -a :) |
| 07:00.09 | Danar | technos: i don't mean running software on your brain |
| 07:00.11 | Seb | thegraham: the doc, Luke, the doc |
| 07:00.18 | Danar | technos: just an interface. |
| 07:00.20 | audian | hehe |
| 07:00.23 | mdh | lakbu: by default it installs 2.4 but there's a 2.6.8 package available |
| 07:00.26 | lakbu | tim_h_, what do you mean i can choose? |
| 07:00.56 | jm_ | lakbu: read installation manual |
| 07:01.02 | lakbu | mdh, what cd/iso that package included? |
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| 07:01.11 | mdh | lakbu: yes |
| 07:01.21 | Seb | heh |
| 07:01.23 | Danar | technos: they've already done it with monkeys |
| 07:01.32 | Danar | technos: had them playing video games |
| 07:01.44 | Seb | Danar: so it should work for at least some of #debian then |
| 07:01.54 | Danar | heh |
| 07:02.05 | lakbu | jm_, ok. ill look for that installation manual .. in debian.org of course? :) |
| 07:02.13 | Seb | typically the week-ends crowd |
| 07:02.17 | mdh | Danar: oh man, imagine being fragged by a f'ing chimp! |
| 07:02.26 | mdh | how would you insult them? |
| 07:02.32 | Seb | hmmmmm, fragging |
| 07:02.32 | jm_ | lakbu: indeed |
| 07:02.34 | mdh | bad primate, no banana? |
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| 07:02.42 | Danar | mdh: heh. could too, cause he has more responsive controls :p |
| 07:02.59 | technos | Danar: *nods* "Koko, quit door camping!" |
| 07:03.04 | Danar | i think it was something simpler than that though |
| 07:03.40 | Danar | like... pong simple |
| 07:03.56 | Danar | don't want to confuse the poor bastards :p |
| 07:04.07 | thegraham | Seb: I've had a look in the documentation, but i can't find anything |
| 07:04.09 | Seb | Danar: sounds like military training right there :> |
| 07:04.10 | technos | And I can see the chatter while the games go on "kitty good no dolphin pwned joo" |
| 07:04.16 | Seb | thegraham: #exim then ? |
| 07:04.24 | Danar | Seb: would you be surprised? |
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| 07:04.31 | Seb | Danar: fuck no :D |
| 07:04.41 | thegraham | Seb: Yeah, i've tried that, but noone is talking |
| 07:04.47 | Seb | thegraham: too late |
| 07:04.54 | Seb | thegraham: those fuckers don't do 24/7 like us |
| 07:05.09 | lakbu | ok, reading the installtion manual .. |
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| 07:05.22 | Danar | argh, it's late. i'll continue this tomorrow |
| 07:05.27 | Danar | nite ppl |
| 07:05.28 | Danar | thx |
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| 07:07.14 | Seb | audian: that's what you get for being a chick :> |
| 07:07.28 | mdh | audian: the silence of the lambs isn't a chick flick! |
| 07:07.35 | Seb | heh |
| 07:07.37 | audian | Dude!! im a guy = |
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| 07:07.39 | audian | ='[ |
| 07:07.44 | DB_ | Why is udev loaded before modules on debian? |
| 07:08.18 | mdh | DB_: some modules might like to have devices around |
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| 07:08.45 | Seb | audian: well obvisouly you should have been a chick, crying like that :> |
| 07:09.05 | Seb | audian: it's not too late, either. Technology really can make miracles nowadays. |
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| 07:09.13 | liable | hahaha |
| 07:09.17 | DB_ | Unfortunately, this keep udev from keeping dev files around for devices not recognized by the system without a module...For example, my IDE controller on a Debian 2.6 kernel |
| 07:09.19 | Seb | if one can call that kind of tech/surgery a "miracle", of course |
| 07:09.28 | qwertz__ | Is there a recommendable statistics tool for the iptables logs? |
| 07:09.35 | DB_ | hd* didn't exist because the module wasn't loaded when udev was started. |
| 07:09.53 | Seb | qwertz__: apts iptables statistics |
| 07:10.00 | Seb | qwertz__: apts=apt-cache search |
| 07:10.09 | audian | Seb, You try watching Serendipity after a breakup >.< |
| 07:10.27 | audian | lol |
| 07:10.33 | mdh | you're watching chick flicks after a breakup? |
| 07:10.36 | DB_ | My solution to this problem was an ugly hack: remove udev's startup links and put the package on hold so they wouldn't be recreated. I'd remove udev completely, but it's required by gnome. |
| 07:10.40 | Seb | audian: i dunno if I've seen this one. Since I'm experiencing a breakup myself, I might wanna stay away from it, heh |
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| 07:10.51 | DB_ | Surely there must be a better way to handle this problem on debian. |
| 07:10.51 | audian | Seb, heh |
| 07:11.14 | mdh | take the opportunity to watch a real man's movie, like braveheart or dirty harry or whatever |
| 07:11.24 | Seb | heh |
| 07:11.26 | Seb | or saw |
| 07:11.40 | jim | dirtyheart |
| 07:11.44 | qwertz__ | Seb, I know apt but thought somebody could recommend a special prog, don't want to try every package in apt, fm, and sf |
| 07:11.48 | liable | snatch, always puts a smile on my face (the movie :P) |
| 07:11.53 | Seb | one of those day I'm strap my gf to the couch and force her to watch it |
| 07:11.57 | Seb | liable: the other one too |
| 07:12.13 | mdh | liable: snatch always puts a smile on every mans face |
| 07:12.20 | liable | hehe, didnt want to say that, might be juniors irc'ing :) |
| 07:12.23 | mdh | except maybe dirty ones |
| 07:12.26 | Seb | qwertz__: the good thing with apt-gettable packages is that if you don't like them, you can remove them right away |
| 07:12.33 | Seb | qwertz__: so it's always a good start |
| 07:12.41 | Seb | liable: bah |
| 07:12.53 | liable | yeah piss week excuse |
| 07:12.56 | Seb | mos def |
| 07:12.58 | liable | weak even |
| 07:13.12 | mdh | liable: juniors have snatches too |
| 07:13.20 | karsten | liable: IMO, pissing for a week solid *would* be an excuse. |
| 07:13.42 | liable | mdh: ok, i'll stay away from that one thankyou. :) |
| 07:13.55 | karsten | liable: Good policy. |
| 07:14.17 | karsten | jim: How about Brave Harry? |
| 07:14.32 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 07:14.42 | karsten | ...or to complete the thought ... |
| 07:14.42 | lakbu | hehe. it pays to read the manual. :) you can indeed choose to have the 2.6.X Kernel in the 3.1 release :) |
| 07:14.45 | karsten | ... Brave Harry Snatch. |
| 07:14.55 | Seb | god, a sprained ankle *is* painful |
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| 07:15.13 | Seb | i can feel the advil wearing off just now :> |
| 07:15.13 | jim | which if you want one, hitch will teach you how to get it |
| 07:15.21 | mdh | Seb: I sprained mine twice, once immediately after it healed from the first |
| 07:15.22 | audian | I need pillows >.> gotta sleep... |
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| 07:15.24 | kingfish600 | Hello All! |
| 07:15.34 | Seb | mdh: it's been 3 years since I got one :\ |
| 07:15.41 | Seb | mdh: I thought I was all good now :> |
| 07:15.54 | karsten | Anyone know of a PHP vulns scanner? Remote or local. For Linux, preferably. |
| 07:16.17 | mdh | I took another approach - seeing how much it hurt the first time, now I take care not to have it happen again |
| 07:16.22 | jm_ | lakbu: which section mentions it? |
| 07:16.41 | Seb | mdh: well, how did you get them ? |
| 07:17.04 | mdh | karsten: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=php+scanner+linux |
| 07:17.20 | karsten | mdh: Been there, done that. |
| 07:17.30 | karsten | mdh: A couple of Windows utils. |
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| 07:17.47 | mdh | Seb: I was about 11 at the time, was bolting through a national park on a very very rainy day and slid into a hole |
| 07:18.05 | Seb | karsten: you mean PHP code checking ? |
| 07:18.11 | Seb | mdh: oh I see |
| 07:18.16 | karsten | mdh: *Sure*. It wasn't pushups over gopher holes? |
| 07:18.21 | Nezzie | i'm using cdrecord, but when i do cdrecord -scanbus .. it gives me a layout of SCSI not ATA .. i don't have scsi .. how can i get it to display my ata drives |
| 07:18.25 | mdh | Seb: the second time I simply got up off the loungeroom floor |
| 07:18.35 | karsten | Seb: There's a combination of issues that seem to cause most problems, largely w/ spam. |
| 07:18.40 | kingfish600 | hopefully this will be a simple question I have have installed debian sarge with the desktop setting. Right now i'm looking at gdm I need to get out of xwindows to run my geforce video driver setup...it's not running in terminal. How do I get to bash? |
| 07:18.49 | mdh | karsten: there's no gophers here silly... it was a wombat hole! |
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| 07:18.53 | Seb | mdh: well i play basketball on a regular basis, and the prospect of stopping just not get sprains sounds... weak :> |
| 07:19.00 | karsten | Seb: Some scripts which are bad, and in particular, a global variables setting. |
| 07:19.04 | Seb | mdh: on the other hand, with this frersh one, it doesn't soundd so bad right now |
| 07:19.11 | Seb | karsten: rats might do then |
| 07:19.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | kingfilsh600 CTRL + ALT + F2 |
| 07:19.13 | karsten | mdh: I see. |
| 07:19.29 | lakbu | jm_, wait .. :) |
| 07:19.30 | kingfish600 | thanks |
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| 07:19.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | kingfish. you can use any and all between F1 and F6 |
| 07:19.54 | mdh | Seb: heal up and play again... |
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| 07:19.58 | karsten | Seb: ?? |
| 07:19.59 | Seb | Nezzie: using 2.6.x ? |
| 07:20.03 | mdh | Seb: fwiw I've gone back to national parks on rainy days ;) |
| 07:20.07 | Seb | karsten: apt-cache show rats |
| 07:20.07 | Nezzie | seb yes |
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| 07:20.14 | Seb | mdh: haha |
| 07:20.40 | TwistedEmotions | kingfish600: also chances are reason it's not running is because it doesnt have root access... install sudo or sux ;) apt-get install sudo |
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| 07:21.02 | karsten | Seb: Hrm. That's a tad low-level. There are some generally distributed scripts which should be readily identifiable. |
| 07:21.04 | capu | how do i reboot my computer into the CLI? |
| 07:21.05 | kingfish600 | I fixed that |
| 07:21.10 | lakbu | jm_, it's in the Appendix A. Installation Howto. A.3. Installation. |
| 07:21.13 | TwistedEmotions | ;) kk |
| 07:21.16 | jm_ | lakbu: right, thanks |
| 07:21.21 | sypher | guys, how can i check CRC of a file ? O_o |
| 07:21.24 | Seb | Nezzie: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc ... try that |
| 07:21.30 | karsten | Seb: I dish out 200-300+ spam LARTs a day, and a lot of systems appear to be exploited via PHP issues. |
| 07:21.33 | Seb | Nezzie: i'm not sure how to tell cdrecord to scan ide devices |
| 07:21.39 | jim | would this /etc/fstab line work: |
| 07:21.41 | liable | capu: just the once? |
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| 07:21.42 | Seb | karsten: i dunno then |
| 07:21.45 | lakbu | jm_, np |
| 07:21.48 | kingfish600 | do I have to reboot and hit control alt f2? |
| 07:21.53 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.55 | jim | ? |
| 07:21.59 | Seb | kingfish600: no, ctrl-alt-f2 now |
| 07:22.02 | karsten | sypher: Most likely you want to do an md5 or sha1 sum check. md5sum / sha1sum |
| 07:22.03 | capu | liable, yeah - im installing a driver |
| 07:22.16 | Seb | jim: no, there's no filesystem in there |
| 07:22.23 | Seb | filesystem type |
| 07:22.26 | Seb | oh, none |
| 07:22.28 | Seb | my bad |
| 07:22.38 | karsten | Seb: cdrecord -scanbus |
| 07:22.41 | liable | capu: append single to the kernel line when grub screen comes up. |
| 07:22.47 | TwistedEmotions | kingfish600: to get out of gui at anythime hit ctrl-alt-F1 or F2.. whatever.. to come back to gui ALT-F7 |
| 07:22.47 | jim | is that how to do a mount --bind? |
| 07:22.52 | jm_ | Seb: dev=ATAPI: -scanbus shall do it |
| 07:22.53 | Seb | karsten: nah it doesn't show my IDE burner |
| 07:22.54 | TwistedEmotions | *anytime |
| 07:22.58 | karsten | Seb: Doh. That's SCSI... |
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| 07:23.05 | Seb | karsten: indeed :> |
| 07:23.07 | karsten | Seb: Right. |
| 07:23.08 | liable | capu: or just boot into the rescue image I spose |
| 07:23.16 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: You *always* say that. |
| 07:23.23 | capu | ta :D |
| 07:23.25 | kingfish600 | it's not working |
| 07:23.26 | Seb | Nezzie: cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus |
| 07:23.30 | Seb | Nezzie: thank jm_ |
| 07:23.34 | karsten | nemo: Good policy. |
| 07:23.37 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Heh? |
| 07:23.48 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Any time. |
| 07:24.11 | nemo | karsten: he made my nickhighlight blink :) |
| 07:24.19 | TwistedEmotions | kingfish600: What's not working? |
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| 07:24.28 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: you are evil sir. |
| 07:24.34 | prplstarlette | hi everyone... |
| 07:24.34 | kingfish600 | ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 07:24.41 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Thank you. |
| 07:24.45 | TwistedEmotions | try ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 07:24.48 | prplstarlette | can someone help me switch the display manager back to kde |
| 07:24.49 | kingfish600 | or f1 |
| 07:24.49 | TwistedEmotions | Errr.. |
| 07:24.50 | liable | karsten: all at the same time |
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| 07:25.01 | prplstarlette | i installed gnome to see if i liked it...and now i wanna go back to kde |
| 07:25.01 | TwistedEmotions | Your in GUI? |
| 07:25.06 | kingfish600 | yep pounding em |
| 07:25.08 | Nezzie | seb: awesome thanks |
| 07:25.09 | TwistedEmotions | What windows manager aer you using |
| 07:25.13 | holmesbj | anyone know how to stop xserver from running? |
| 07:25.18 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: exit.. |
| 07:25.26 | prplstarlette | i had selected xdm...but now its loading into gnome and not kde |
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| 07:25.35 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: right clink on desktop and go to exit |
| 07:25.43 | prplstarlette | i exited...came back...and its still gnome |
| 07:25.47 | carson | how do i set up ftp on a new install of debian? i did apt-get install proftpd and it looks like it removed wu-ftpd but where do i go from here? i can't connect. |
| 07:25.48 | kingfish600 | gnome desktop manager right now...I tried in gnome to |
| 07:26.07 | karsten | !default wm |
| 07:26.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, default wm is to change the default window manager, do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager (man update-alternatives) |
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| 07:26.18 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: look for a button that allows you to logon to different windows managers... |
| 07:26.21 | Nezzie | seb: i'm really new to using cd record, and i've got a directory that i'm trying to back up of data, i unfortunatly can't tar anywhere since i'm booted off a cd and the drive is a read only windows, do you know of how to record that directory onto cd? |
| 07:26.27 | prplstarlette | ok... |
| 07:26.34 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: I believe it's "Action" |
| 07:26.36 | TwistedEmotions | let me check |
| 07:26.37 | liable | kingfish600: /etc/initd/gdm stop, then ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 07:26.46 | Seb | Nezzie: mkisofs -JR thedir/ | cdrecord dev=... |
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| 07:26.54 | mdh | carson: apt-get install proftpd-doc and read them |
| 07:27.01 | carson | ..k |
| 07:27.01 | liable | kingfish600: init.d |
| 07:27.07 | karsten | Seb: You can stream that? |
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| 07:27.09 | prplstarlette | i like the login for gnome....but i like the kde environment |
| 07:27.12 | Seb | karsten: sure |
| 07:27.20 | Seb | Nezzie: CA powah ;) |
| 07:27.22 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: Hit the "Session" button |
| 07:27.25 | eason | Why isn't cooledit in apt? |
| 07:27.31 | Nezzie | seb ca? |
| 07:27.34 | mdh | carson: you can configure it two ways, to run standalone or to run from inetd |
| 07:27.35 | defcon8 | hello. i was wondering if it was really that unsafe to use debian unstable. as i really do want the latest packages that is why |
| 07:27.39 | liable | eason: dunno, why? |
| 07:27.41 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: then choose whatever you want |
| 07:27.41 | carson | mdh: i want inetd |
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| 07:27.48 | carson | in my inetd.conf i have the ftp line uncommented |
| 07:27.52 | jim | it werx! |
| 07:27.53 | eason | liable: ... |
| 07:27.53 | carson | but it still doesn't connect |
| 07:27.54 | prplstarlette | hmmm...where's session |
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| 07:27.55 | Seb | Nezzie: Sacramento ? |
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| 07:28.06 | Nezzie | not really in sac |
| 07:28.09 | Nezzie | a little outside of it |
| 07:28.10 | mdh | carson: then you have to configure your inetd server to launch proftpd appropriately on the ftp port |
| 07:28.11 | Nezzie | near roseville |
| 07:28.15 | Seb | Nezzie: so, CA |
| 07:28.18 | Nezzie | yes |
| 07:28.21 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: I gaurentee it's a button on the logon screen... find it.. |
| 07:28.24 | carson | mdh: how do i do that? |
| 07:28.26 | mdh | carson: it's all in the docs anyway. |
| 07:28.26 | Seb | Nezzie: there you hve it |
| 07:28.30 | jim | american river? |
| 07:28.32 | Nezzie | ? |
| 07:28.32 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: go through the options |
| 07:28.35 | defcon8 | anyone? |
| 07:28.35 | prplstarlette | ok...so log off |
| 07:28.37 | carson | mdh: how do i read the docs? |
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| 07:28.45 | carson | i'm in /usr/share/doc but i don't see proftpd |
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| 07:28.52 | TwistedEmotions | logoff then find the "Session" button.. |
| 07:28.54 | prplstarlette | brb... |
| 07:28.57 | Seb | wow, this latest line by carson deserves to go int the quotd thingie |
| 07:28.59 | Devilman | Is it alright to put a regular shell script that states "cp foo bar" in the /etc/cron.weekly or is there some special commands I need to place in the file like exit 0? |
| 07:29.00 | carson | nevermind found it |
| 07:29.16 | carson | Seb: what did i say? |
| 07:29.20 | Seb | 00:28:45 carson | mdh: how do i read the docs? |
| 07:29.29 | carson | valid question, no? |
| 07:29.32 | jim | carson: if you don't see proftpd in there, then either you have no proftpd pkg installed, or you're not running debian :) |
| 07:29.32 | Seb | Devilman: nah it's ok |
| 07:29.38 | mdh | carson: apt-get install proftpd-doc |
| 07:29.44 | Seb | carson: more funny than valid, heh |
| 07:29.45 | Devilman | Seb, sweet thanks. Just wanted to make sure. |
| 07:29.48 | carson | ah got it.. i had mispelled proftpd in my grep |
| 07:29.49 | mdh | carson: and they're in /usr/share/doc/proftpd-doc/ |
| 07:29.57 | carson | seb: cut me some slack. |
| 07:30.07 | Seb | Devilman: that way if you command fails, the exit code will be the one of the failed command and you'llget a mail |
| 07:30.12 | defcon8 | ok. is it that safe to use unstable? do most people use it? |
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| 07:30.30 | Seb | carson: sure. A nice slice of quotd for ya. |
| 07:30.30 | TwistedEmotions | *it |
| 07:30.31 | prplstarlette | ok... |
| 07:30.33 | Devilman | Seb, ohhh, alright. That makes sense. |
| 07:30.44 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: are find it? |
| 07:30.50 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: you find it? |
| 07:30.50 | prplstarlette | argh...its the same login screen as it was with kde |
| 07:31.04 | prplstarlette | where the only thing is the place to put the user name and password |
| 07:31.12 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: the login screen doesnt change.. |
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| 07:31.34 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: you dont have any buttons on side or bottom...? |
| 07:31.43 | karsten | prplstarlette: That's your X display manager, not your desktop. |
| 07:31.59 | karsten | prplstarlette: aptitude install kdm |
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| 07:32.08 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: either kill me or him please. |
| 07:32.09 | defcon8 | cn anyone help me here? |
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| 07:32.14 | prplstarlette | type that in the console? |
| 07:32.34 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: you said kdm was already installed right? |
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| 07:32.39 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Is that an either/or proposition? |
| 07:32.39 | c0al | hi guys- i just bought and plugged in a seagate external USB drive, when i plug it in, it says its mounted under usb4 - how do i mount it ? |
| 07:32.49 | Seb | audian: man, you need some beer |
| 07:32.50 | prplstarlette | yeah...when i installed gnome...it asked me what i wanted for a display manager, kdm or gdm |
| 07:32.52 | Seb | audian: or some weed |
| 07:32.55 | Seb | audian: or both :D |
| 07:32.59 | prplstarlette | i picked kdm |
| 07:33.01 | audian | Seb, don't do neither |
| 07:33.03 | karsten | prplstarlette: ...if it's already installed, reconfigure it. 'dpkg-reconfigure kdm' |
| 07:33.05 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: it was a attempt at one.. |
| 07:33.06 | prplstarlette | ok |
| 07:33.07 | liable | crack, and a gun :P |
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| 07:33.09 | carson | i don't know what to look for. i get this error: ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration. |
| 07:33.10 | Seb | audian: this breakup *is* gonna be hard then |
| 07:33.15 | Seb | liable: :p |
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| 07:33.17 | karsten | Seb: Some bweer? |
| 07:33.17 | carson | how do i know what specifically is wrong? |
| 07:33.22 | Seb | karsten: hah |
| 07:33.32 | Seb | beer + weed is the ultimate cocktail 8) |
| 07:33.38 | prplstarlette | ok...wtf...its saying dpkg-reconfigure not found |
| 07:33.41 | carson | does proftpd log to anything in /var/log? |
| 07:33.42 | mdh | Seb, audian: the best way to get over the last one is with the next one |
| 07:33.46 | jim | defcon8: unstable could be mildly irritating or overwhelmingly painful and destructive |
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| 07:33.51 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: did you run it as root? |
| 07:33.51 | Seb | mdh: that is true |
| 07:33.54 | karsten | prplstarlette: Run as root. |
| 07:33.55 | prplstarlette | oops lol |
| 07:33.59 | jim | could be both in the same day |
| 07:33.59 | prplstarlette | forgot that part lol |
| 07:33.59 | Seb | mdh: note that beer & weed can help with that too |
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| 07:34.03 | karsten | !lol |
| 07:34.03 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 07:34.05 | Seb | mdh: :> |
| 07:34.07 | jhumo | hi |
| 07:34.07 | defcon8 | jim: but i can use linux properly and hav eused freebsd and gentoo for a while. i just dont want old packages :( |
| 07:34.08 | audian | mdh, moving to WA state in 1 day lmao |
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| 07:34.24 | Seb | !lmao |
| 07:34.24 | dpkg | lmao is, like, laughing my ass off, or see lol |
| 07:34.27 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 07:34.29 | prplstarlette | ooo dat's why...kdm is not installed...it was at one time |
| 07:34.31 | Seb | is what I thought |
| 07:34.38 | amorphix | !samba |
| 07:34.38 | dpkg | methinks samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba |
| 07:34.48 | jhumo | does debian supports parallal execution |
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| 07:34.58 | prplstarlette | wtf...what happened to my kdm :( |
| 07:35.06 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: I hate you. |
| 07:35.07 | mdh | band practice soon. gotta fly |
| 07:35.08 | Seb | jhumo: you mean linux support SMP ? |
| 07:35.13 | prplstarlette | why twisted |
| 07:35.22 | Seb | prplstarlette: lol |
| 07:35.23 | TwistedEmotions | prplstarlette: just kidding. |
| 07:35.25 | defcon8 | jim: do you use testing then? |
| 07:35.25 | Seb | lol |
| 07:35.31 | TwistedEmotions | !lol |
| 07:35.31 | prplstarlette | ok...so now i gotta install kdm |
| 07:35.32 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a lOler. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 07:35.37 | amorphix | is it possible to have your user home directory filespace on another machine to the one you're using? kinda like a symbolic link? |
| 07:35.37 | Seb | sorry I wanted to feel "in" for a few seconds |
| 07:35.52 | Seb | amorphix: it's called NFS |
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| 07:35.58 | jhumo | no I mean does debian distro.....supports parallal execution |
| 07:35.59 | amorphix | Seb: ahh thanks |
| 07:35.59 | Seb | amorphix: look it up |
| 07:36.03 | amorphix | ok |
| 07:36.03 | Seb | amorphix: :) |
| 07:36.10 | TwistedEmotions | Damn... it's 1am and it's still hot as hell in my room |
| 07:36.20 | Seb | jhumo: this would be specific to the linux kernel, not debian |
| 07:36.23 | amorphix | !NFS |
| 07:36.24 | dpkg | from memory, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 07:36.25 | Seb | jhumo: hence my first line to you |
| 07:36.31 | jim | defcon8: if you can solve your own problems, if you read and can understand the source code of everything about to be installed to determine if it's going to break your system, if you can fix these problems and report them as bug reports with fixing patches, go for it |
| 07:36.32 | SaidinUnleashed | TwistedEmotions, join the club |
| 07:36.37 | Seb | nah, NFS is good |
| 07:36.42 | prplstarlette | ooo...i picked xdm that's my problem |
| 07:36.43 | Seb | provided BSD is the server, not Linux :> |
| 07:36.49 | Seb | BSD or solaris |
| 07:36.49 | prplstarlette | ok got kdm, xdm, and gdm |
| 07:36.52 | jhumo | seb: so u mean debian works pretty fine on clusters |
| 07:36.56 | defcon8 | jim: ill pass then :) so you suggest testing instead? |
| 07:37.02 | Nezzie | seb: .. i did mkisofs -JR /dir/ | cdrecord dev=0,1,0 speed=10 ..... and it says no tracks specified |
| 07:37.06 | Seb | jhumo: once again, this is a linux feature, not a debian one |
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| 07:37.20 | liable | prplstarlette: and a partridge in a pear tree. :P |
| 07:37.20 | amorphix | must NFS be run on the host and client machines? |
| 07:37.24 | jim | I'm running stable... testing and unstable are going to be kinda rocky for awhile |
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| 07:37.27 | prplstarlette | lol liable |
| 07:37.29 | Seb | Nezzie: mkisofs -JR /dir/ | cdrecord dev=0,1,0 speed=10 ... - |
| 07:37.33 | jhumo | seb : ok got it |
| 07:37.35 | Seb | Nezzie: that last - might be important |
| 07:37.38 | prplstarlette | ok...got kdm installed and selected as default |
| 07:37.42 | prplstarlette | brb...lets see if this works |
| 07:37.55 | Seb | amorphix: NFS server one one, an then just NFS support in the kernel's client |
| 07:37.59 | karsten | !tell prplstarlette about screen |
| 07:38.01 | h3xley | hey, what's the generic help channel for freenode? |
| 07:38.01 | jhumo | seb: which distro do u think is more suitable for MIPS clusters |
| 07:38.02 | Seb | amorphix: then you mount -t nfs ... on the client |
| 07:38.02 | Nezzie | seb what? |
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| 07:38.07 | defcon8 | jim: how can you live with old packages man :| and how gdoyou mean by rocky |
| 07:38.07 | Seb | jhumo: i have no idea |
| 07:38.08 | karsten | Feh. |
| 07:38.15 | karsten | jhumo: mu |
| 07:38.18 | Seb | Nezzie: that last - might be important |
| 07:38.18 | h3xley | #freenode has like 2 million people in it, but none of them say anything. |
| 07:38.22 | Seb | Nezzie: mkisofs -JR /dir/ | cdrecord dev=0,1,0 speed=10 ... - |
| 07:38.28 | jhumo | yes karsten do u know |
| 07:38.29 | jim | old? :) sarge was just released |
| 07:38.31 | amorphix | Seb: thanks |
| 07:38.39 | Seb | amorphix: np |
| 07:38.45 | karsten | !tell jhumo about mu |
| 07:38.49 | jim | besides I don't care about old... old can often mean stable anyway |
| 07:38.52 | defcon8 | jim: got a point there but what aobut future releases of programmes? |
| 07:38.56 | TwistedEmotions | gnite all... |
| 07:38.59 | h3xley | *sigh* are there any ircops about? |
| 07:39.11 | Nezzie | seb: do i actually put the ...? |
| 07:39.13 | karsten | h3xley: What's the issue? |
| 07:39.13 | jim | future releases don't get into stable |
| 07:39.22 | Seb | Nezzie: no the ... is for whatever other options you might need |
| 07:39.22 | kingfish600 | liable it still won't let me stop gdm it keeps saying gdm already running. Aborting! |
| 07:39.23 | defcon8 | jim: exactly |
| 07:39.26 | jim | that's how and why it stays stable |
| 07:39.26 | karsten | h3xley: ...and you can try looking up staff and msging them individually. |
| 07:39.27 | Seb | Nezzie: but you want the trailing - |
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| 07:39.52 | Manoj_ | h3xley, umm? |
| 07:39.53 | h3xley | karsten: my ghost nick has an idle time of over 2 hours(!), and nickserv won't accept my password to use the ghost command, even though I know it's correct. |
| 07:39.57 | defcon8 | what if there are a few new levels i want in a new release of a gane |
| 07:40.01 | Nezzie | seb: i'm not sure what to put in there i thought i had everything |
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| 07:40.13 | h3xley | is there maintainence happening or something? |
| 07:40.18 | Seb | Nezzie: add the goddamm trailing "-" |
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| 07:40.25 | Seb | Nezzie: that's it |
| 07:40.31 | karsten | h3xley: /msg nickserv recover <nick> <password>; /msg nickserv release <nick> <password> |
| 07:40.31 | jim | defcon8: howbout this: run anything you want... but if you want stability, run stable and compile all the new stuff, maybe into packages which you then install |
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| 07:40.50 | h3xley | password incorrect. |
| 07:40.50 | karsten | h3xley: ...and register your nick. |
| 07:40.53 | defcon8 | jim: cant b arsed with compiling really |
| 07:40.56 | h3xley | it is registered |
| 07:40.58 | h3xley | my normal nick is hexley |
| 07:41.00 | Seb | jim: you mean as opposed to using backports.org or apt-get.org ? :> |
| 07:41.04 | liable | kingfish600: really? ok kill it with 'killall -6 gdm' |
| 07:41.07 | h3xley | it's still online |
| 07:41.12 | h3xley | ghosted |
| 07:41.14 | defcon8 | Seb: what do you use? |
| 07:41.14 | h3xley | and has been for 2 hours |
| 07:41.18 | h3xley | more actually. |
| 07:41.19 | Seb | defcon8: backports.org & apt-get.org |
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| 07:41.26 | liable | brb, gotta catch bait for fishing tonight. |
| 07:41.29 | h3xley | shouldn't it have timed out after about 2 minutes of d/c? I mean honestly |
| 07:41.32 | defcon8 | Seb: no i mean what version of debian |
| 07:41.38 | prplstarlette | ok its hating me...its set up for kdm and its still the same screen and no buttons or anything |
| 07:41.41 | Seb | defcon8: depends where, man |
| 07:41.42 | karsten | prplstarlette: Learn screen and irssi |
| 07:42.01 | jhumo | does debian has minimal distro ......for MIPS |
| 07:42.03 | Seb | defcon8: a few webservers still run woody. Gonna upgrade soon though. Laptops and desktops run sid. All other servers run sarge or woody. |
| 07:42.06 | defcon8 | btw i can sell a freebsdd manual signed by ian murdock if anyone wants it. trust me its real :p |
| 07:42.07 | Nezzie | seb: i did, sorry but now i'm getting an error that says joliet tree sort failed, so i put the -joliet-long switch in there but it still errors |
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| 07:42.16 | karsten | h3xley: NFC then. |
| 07:42.20 | defcon8 | Seb: sid = testing |
| 07:42.22 | defcon8 | ? |
| 07:42.23 | karsten | h3xley: ...try typing the right password ;-) |
| 07:42.23 | Seb | Nezzie: then you must have really long names |
| 07:42.27 | Seb | defcon8: no, etch testing |
| 07:42.29 | Seb | = |
| 07:42.30 | h3xley | karsten the password is on my keychain |
| 07:42.33 | Seb | sid = unstable |
| 07:42.38 | amorphix | so is NFS really as unsecure and unstable as the comment on ! implies? |
| 07:42.40 | h3xley | and automatically gets entered on login |
| 07:42.40 | defcon8 | ahh :| |
| 07:42.42 | karsten | defcon8: No, sid == unstable. etch == testing. |
| 07:42.46 | defcon8 | k |
| 07:42.46 | h3xley | I'm typing the right one :) |
| 07:42.52 | amorphix | it seems ok if properly configured from the howto |
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| 07:43.11 | prplstarlette | ok brb...gonna see if rebooting now that i configured things work |
| 07:43.29 | Seb | Nezzie: i dunno, this is an mkisofs problem. Look it up on google, I'd say. |
| 07:43.44 | Nezzie | k |
| 07:44.05 | defcon8 | Seb: and you have no probs with sid? |
| 07:44.31 | Seb | defcon8: i'm cautious. And have used it for a while. So now. |
| 07:44.34 | jhumo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.34 | Seb | defcon8: but use etch |
| 07:44.39 | kingfish600 | liable thanks that did the trick |
| 07:44.53 | Seb | !tell defcon8 about sid |
| 07:44.54 | defcon8 | ok hten |
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| 07:45.24 | Seb | defcon8: note that part about the required skills :) |
| 07:45.26 | technos | jhumo: You mean a small install image? Yes. |
| 07:45.38 | defcon8 | Seb: ahh im fine with configging stuff |
| 07:45.42 | lakbu | anyone here using ASUS P4VP-MX mobo? |
| 07:45.45 | Seb | defcon8: this is not what this means |
| 07:45.51 | Nezzie | how come when i do a mount -o rw /dev/hda1 .. it doesn't let me write to it and errors back Read-only file syste |
| 07:46.08 | Seb | defcon8: basically using isd require being able to manually mess with dpkg/apt-get to handle conflicts & broken packages |
| 07:46.16 | jhumo | technos: where can I get that |
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| 07:46.23 | Seb | Nezzie: ntfs ? |
| 07:46.36 | defcon8 | sorry etch is tsting isnt it? i should use that shouldnt i? |
| 07:46.41 | Seb | defcon8: yes |
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| 07:46.46 | defcon8 | ok thanks Seb |
| 07:46.51 | Seb | defcon8: np |
| 07:46.59 | Nezzie | seb: yes |
| 07:47.01 | carson | dammit so i have proftpd running standalone fine. i can't get it to go under inet. this is confounding. where do i look for errors? nothing gets put in the syslog. |
| 07:47.02 | jim | defcon8: Seb probably does everything I mentioned earlier |
| 07:47.05 | technos | jhumo: It's a standard Debian port, so hit up ftp.debian.org. |
| 07:47.10 | Seb | Nezzie: NTFS RW is dangerous, and not enabled by default |
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| 07:47.14 | jim | defcon8: especially fix and report problems |
| 07:47.16 | Seb | Nezzie: read "don't do it" |
| 07:47.24 | amorphix | Seb: why is it dangerous? |
| 07:47.25 | auk | yeah |
| 07:47.28 | defcon8 | jim: ok ill restart sshd now its gheying p |
| 07:47.32 | Seb | amorphix: hell yeah |
| 07:47.33 | jhumo | technos: what packages are there in it |
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| 07:47.43 | auk | ntfs isn't supported |
| 07:47.44 | Seb | amorphix: FS corruption |
| 07:47.45 | jim | greying? |
| 07:47.45 | aztv | http://women.alioth.debian.org are fat and ugly |
| 07:47.50 | amorphix | Seb: damn |
| 07:47.52 | jim | spaying? |
| 07:47.52 | Nezzie | seb: i have no choice, i must mount it, its the only way to get the data off |
| 07:48.06 | Seb | Nezzie: nah, this thing with mkisofs will work |
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| 07:48.08 | h3xley | why do women wear makeup and perfume? |
| 07:48.10 | amorphix | Seb: would be ok to use for an isolated application tho just for one user with non-critical data? |
| 07:48.11 | jim | wut u trying 2 say? |
| 07:48.16 | Seb | Nezzie: and is safe |
| 07:48.17 | h3xley | coz they're ugly and they smell. |
| 07:48.30 | jhumo | h3xley: ya they are |
| 07:48.34 | Seb | amorphix: it works fine till one day your NTFS disk ends up all thrashed and shit |
| 07:48.36 | amorphix | Seb: no risk to overall server filespace? |
| 07:48.38 | auk | Nezzie: do you have to write to it? |
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| 07:48.43 | h3xley | :D |
| 07:48.46 | amorphix | shit |
| 07:48.56 | Nezzie | seb, =\ its not i'm getting an error from cdrecord that says no such file or directory .. cannot open '/dev/sg*'. cannot open scsi drive |
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| 07:49.05 | Guerin | aztv: i'm sure you're slim and handsome |
| 07:49.15 | Guerin | aztv: i mean, it's easy to be slim when you're 12 |
| 07:49.18 | amorphix | whats the alternatives to NFS then? |
| 07:49.27 | Seb | Nezzie: try as root |
| 07:49.33 | aztv | Guerin, i'm slim and handsome 20 y/o |
| 07:49.38 | Nezzie | auk: there is a virus on this windows machine and i need to get the data off of it, before i format with linux becuase the virus fucked up the reg files so i can't even use the xp cd |
| 07:49.38 | lakbu | can debian 3.1 XFree86 package can now detect ProSavage DDR video on board ASUS P4VP-MX mobo? |
| 07:49.41 | Guerin | aztv: sure you are. |
| 07:49.41 | h3xley | im handsomer |
| 07:49.45 | Seb | amorphix: you're confusing ntfs and nfs homeboy |
| 07:49.50 | Seb | amorphix: nfs is perfectly safe |
| 07:49.51 | h3xley | actually handsome isnt the word |
| 07:49.51 | amorphix | oh |
| 07:49.54 | Seb | amorphix: ntfs isn't |
| 07:49.54 | auk | Nezzie: you can copy fiels off it. |
| 07:49.56 | Nezzie | seb: i'm not sure if you know this but i'm using a linux boot cd |
| 07:49.57 | amorphix | phew |
| 07:49.59 | auk | just fine |
| 07:49.59 | jim | aztv: then go find you some chicks :P |
| 07:50.04 | auk | just nto write to it |
| 07:50.04 | Guerin | i'm a fucking supermodel, I just hang out in #debian to make myself feel kool |
| 07:50.08 | Seb | Nezzie: and ? |
| 07:50.21 | jm_ | Guerin: shouldn't that make *us* feel cool? |
| 07:50.24 | Nezzie | oh i didn't know if that was it or not just letting you knopw |
| 07:50.27 | technos | jhumo: Depends. The small 4300k images include like nothing more than is require to start a net install. The 50mb business card CD image doesn't have much more than kernel, drivers, shell, and some userland. The full 650m disc one of the Sarge set has about everything you'd use under console plus xfree. |
| 07:50.29 | h3xley | guerin: that's almost true for some of us |
| 07:50.33 | jim | Guerizel? |
| 07:50.33 | Guerin | jm_: it should, but I bet it doesn't. |
| 07:50.44 | amorphix | is HP still active in the Unix market? |
| 07:51.05 | amorphix | at one time werent all HP's systems Unix based? |
| 07:51.10 | auk | Nezzie: just don't try to write to it... |
| 07:51.17 | jim | GurIman? |
| 07:51.21 | jm_ | amorphix: of course they're active |
| 07:51.24 | auk | mount it w/o 'w' |
| 07:51.40 | auk | just ro |
| 07:51.41 | ColonelKernel | gaim cant log into yahoo :(( |
| 07:51.43 | jhumo | technos: will it cause problem if I run it on MIPS clusters |
| 07:51.43 | amorphix | HP is american company? |
| 07:51.58 | tarzeau2 | how should i edit /var/cache/debconf ? using what command? |
| 07:52.02 | Guerin | HP employ some really important kernel hacker whose name escapes me |
| 07:52.03 | technos | amorphix: They're still.. Well, they still sell a bit of it. But they probably sell more Windows servers than unix these days. |
| 07:52.04 | jm_ | tarzeau: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 07:52.06 | Seb | Nezzie: try dev=/dev/hdc or whatever your drive is, maybe |
| 07:52.14 | Guerin | it's not Linus or Alan Cox, but it's someone like that |
| 07:52.17 | Seb | Nezzie: some 2.6.x have trouble with ATAPI & cdrecord |
| 07:52.24 | Nezzie | k |
| 07:52.40 | amorphix | HP used to even make their own Unix OS at one time eh |
| 07:52.45 | jim | and some 2.6.x has trouble with sata |
| 07:52.49 | jm_ | they still sell HP-UX, sheesh |
| 07:52.52 | technos | jhumo: I have no idea. I'm only really familiar with the MIPS product line through the old Octanes. |
| 07:52.53 | amorphix | oh |
| 07:52.55 | Seb | Guerin: the wireless guy is an HP employee i think |
| 07:53.04 | tarzeau2 | jm_: err i want to do non-interactive installs |
| 07:53.05 | Seb | Guerin: i dunno how large his contribs to the linux kernel are, though |
| 07:53.16 | Seb | Jean Tourrhiles or something |
| 07:53.18 | tarzeau2 | jm_: i want to preconfigure the debconf file for new installs of hosts |
| 07:53.18 | Guerin | Seb: ok. |
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| 07:53.27 | jm_ | tarzeau2: ahh that's explained in installation manual |
| 07:53.44 | jm_ | tarzeau: pre-seeding |
| 07:53.55 | jhumo | techno: do u know any other distro which works fine for MIPS |
| 07:54.20 | tarzeau2 | jm_: ahh debconf-get-selections ... |
| 07:54.24 | Seb | hexley: so what was the problem ? |
| 07:54.59 | technos | jhumo: What machine are you installing on? The MIPS port of the Linux kernel doesn't support everything that uses it. |
| 07:55.20 | h3xley | no idea, the ghost finally died |
| 07:55.28 | h3xley | but nickserv is still rejecting my password |
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| 07:55.34 | Nezzie | sorry to sound like an idiot but how do i know what hdc it is i can find one of them, hdc but its the dvd reader ... hdc1 doesn't work |
| 07:56.04 | jm_ | you do sound like an idiot ;) |
| 07:56.15 | jhumo | technos: I didn |
| 07:56.16 | Ether_Man | Yep.. question dont make sense |
| 07:56.32 | jm_ | Nezzie: reformulate your question |
| 07:56.38 | Nezzie | how can i tell which /dev/hdc is what drive |
| 07:56.38 | jhumo | technos: sorry I didn't get u.....I just asked do u know any other distro....for mips |
| 07:56.40 | Nezzie | =\ |
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| 07:56.49 | jm_ | Nezzie: cd /proc/ide - poke arround |
| 07:56.52 | Nezzie | ahh |
| 07:56.54 | nanok | Nezzie: better still, ask the damn question... |
| 07:56.55 | Ether_Man | hdc is the secondary master on your first pata controller.. hdc1 is the first partition on that drive.. |
| 07:56.58 | nanok | :/ |
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| 07:57.24 | aurax | hello |
| 07:57.28 | aurax | anyone heard about oser project ? |
| 07:57.29 | Nezzie | hdd .. ahhh |
| 07:57.30 | Nezzie | thanks |
| 07:57.50 | tarzeau2 | jm_: do you know if i get only use part of get-selections to feed set-selections? |
| 07:57.54 | tarzeau2 | jm_: instead of the whole dump? |
| 07:57.57 | Nezzie | its writing now |
| 07:57.58 | Nezzie | or about to |
| 07:58.00 | Nezzie | counting down |
| 07:58.00 | technos | jhumo: Debian is the only one I've ever used on MIPS, sorry. Don't know how complete any of the others are on that arch. What machine are you installing on? |
| 07:58.19 | Seb | Nezzie: dmesg | grep hd |
| 07:58.28 | Nezzie | seb: .. ? already got it ... |
| 07:58.29 | Seb | Nezzie: oh you got that already |
| 07:58.33 | jm_ | tarzeau2: what do you mean by use part? |
| 07:58.34 | jhumo | technos: I didn't get the machine yet.....just doing research |
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| 07:58.36 | Nezzie | seb: another question though ... |
| 07:58.42 | tarzeau2 | jm_: say only two lines |
| 07:58.47 | jhumo | technos: how is ubuntu |
| 07:58.48 | jm_ | tarzeau2: |grep ? |
| 07:59.08 | Nezzie | seb: there is a directory with some directories i want to copy and others i don't in it .. how do i selectivly mkisofs them and record them on one cd |
| 07:59.11 | tarzeau2 | jm_: yes but set-selectiosn will only use what i feed it it, without dumping away all the rest it already has? |
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| 07:59.21 | h3xley | http://www.danamania.com/~hexley/keychain.png - just tp prove I'm not going insane... |
| 07:59.25 | tarzeau2 | jm_: hey i've seen such broken crappy tools... |
| 07:59.28 | aurax | anyone heard about oser project ? |
| 07:59.34 | tarzeau2 | jm_: and it wouldn't surprise me if debian was like it |
| 07:59.39 | jm_ | tarzeau2: yes, so get-selections|grep 'desired_lines' > myseedfile? |
| 07:59.42 | technos | jhumo: Like I said, no idea. Never used anything but Debian or Irix 5.x on that arch. |
| 07:59.47 | Seb | Nezzie: there's an ignore option i think |
| 07:59.51 | Seb | Nezzie: or use graft |
| 08:00.02 | Nezzie | graft? |
| 08:00.20 | technos | I take that back. The crappy Octane had 6.x on it at one point. |
| 08:00.22 | Seb | Nezzie: man mkisofs |
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| 08:00.36 | Nezzie | k |
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| 08:00.48 | kingfish600 | what directory does the kernal source install to? |
| 08:00.51 | Danamania | h3xley: hey! :) |
| 08:00.58 | h3xley | omgitsu |
| 08:01.02 | h3xley | omghi |
| 08:01.03 | jm_ | kingfish600: dpkg -L is your friend |
| 08:01.13 | h3xley | *hugs* how are you sweet cheeks? |
| 08:01.25 | jhumo | technos: whats IRIX is it clone of UNIX |
| 08:01.34 | Danamania | ace. I have New Gadgetry |
| 08:01.42 | h3xley | oh really? do tell.. |
| 08:01.47 | tarzeau2 | h3xley: your engrish is so greet. rally! |
| 08:01.55 | jayparadise | ive never actually used debian |
| 08:02.06 | jayparadise | outside of knoppix, im downloading it now though |
| 08:02.23 | Nezzie | seb: i see graft-points .. that it right? |
| 08:02.26 | jayparadise | found some dvds, i put off cus i didnt want to use like 8 cds |
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| 08:02.40 | h3xley | tarzeau2: actually I'm usually a bit of a grammar nazi, so if I've slipped up in the last 5 minutes, savour the moment :) |
| 08:02.45 | technos | jhumo: Not exactly. IRIX is SGI's Real Unix. Not really a clone. |
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| 08:02.49 | jayparadise | i have a question sthough |
| 08:02.51 | kane_ | what *nix program could i use to print the exit code of a program? |
| 08:02.58 | tarzeau2 | kane_: echo |
| 08:03.01 | tarzeau2 | ot lpt |
| 08:03.04 | tarzeau2 | ot lpr even |
| 08:03.11 | defcon8 | ls |
| 08:03.13 | defcon8 | whoops |
| 08:03.18 | jayparadise | is the installation of the 2 debian 3 dvds as hard as the net install? |
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| 08:03.31 | streuner | hm |
| 08:03.32 | jayparadise | i failed twice, but i was installing onto a usb-scsi hard drive |
| 08:03.34 | jhumo | technos: wheather irix is open source |
| 08:03.35 | tarzeau2 | jayparadise: you need to change the disk .. |
| 08:03.42 | jayparadise | huh? |
| 08:03.42 | tarzeau2 | jayparadise: so i'd say it's a bit more complicated |
| 08:03.51 | jayparadise | its almost done |
| 08:03.52 | tarzeau2 | jayparadise: have you ever seen your mom operate a dvd drive? |
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| 08:03.59 | ottoaim__ | heh |
| 08:04.01 | kingfish600 | mine installed fine from dvd's |
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| 08:04.08 | nanok | jayparadise: surely you mean _as easy_ as the netinstall... |
| 08:04.10 | nanok | :) |
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| 08:04.17 | kingfish600 | just fixingstuff now |
| 08:04.34 | jayparadise | i would have got the netinstall to work if i wasnt doing it the way i was |
| 08:04.42 | technos | jhumo: Nope. Never has been, never will be. |
| 08:05.06 | kane_ | tarzeau2: i dont think that will work -- lpr for printing files? echo for repeating verbatim what i feed it? |
| 08:05.12 | jayparadise | i have lvm or whatever its called on fedora right now, and when i put that on the scsi, it wasnt where im used to it being, /dev/sda1 |
| 08:05.23 | jayparadise | it was configured in a raid array |
| 08:05.25 | tarzeau2 | kane_: try $? |
| 08:05.35 | jhumo | technos: is linux kernel totally ported on MIPS |
| 08:05.35 | tarzeau2 | kane_: and yes of course lpr is for printing files |
| 08:05.45 | tarzeau2 | lpr (1) - off line print |
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| 08:05.55 | karsten | jhumo: Yes. |
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| 08:06.21 | myren | anyone know if Bluetooth modem profiles work in linux? I'd like wireless through my phone... |
| 08:06.21 | karsten | !tell ubuntu_ about ubuntu_ |
| 08:06.22 | kane_ | ok, echo'ing $? makes more sense.. figured there was a simple 'foo /my/command' that would neatly print exit status.. but this works. thanks |
| 08:06.25 | karsten | !tell ubuntu_ about ubuntu |
| 08:06.29 | ubuntu_ | SID is unstable? |
| 08:06.30 | technos | jhumo: Yeah. May run into some framebuffer flakiness on some odd machines though. |
| 08:06.33 | Thanatermesis | I have tested "gtranscode" and no have looked any codec for use... transcode not uses codecs for ripping videos ? |
| 08:06.49 | TigerWraith | well got my FTP up, now if i can just get write access ill be good to go |
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| 08:06.55 | karsten | ubuntu_: Yes. |
| 08:06.55 | karsten | !tell ubuntu_ about releases |
| 08:07.16 | cast | TigerWraith: vsftpd? |
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| 08:07.21 | TigerWraith | yea |
| 08:07.22 | someoneelse | I changed my nick |
| 08:07.27 | prplstarlette | ok im really starting to hate this |
| 08:07.31 | someoneelse | tryhing the live cd. |
| 08:07.31 | prplstarlette | now i can't log into anything... |
| 08:07.33 | someoneelse | amd64 nice... |
| 08:07.41 | nanok | myren: you can have that, with some phones/some bluetooth dongles.. |
| 08:07.42 | prplstarlette | what is the key combo to enter command prompt during load up |
| 08:07.44 | jayparadise | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.52 | nanok | myren: your question is to generic.. |
| 08:07.53 | TigerWraith | for some reason im having to reboot the box to get the changes in vsftpd to take |
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| 08:08.14 | karsten | prplstarlette: <shift> should give you a lilo / grub prompt. |
| 08:08.20 | myren | nanok: i'm wondering if there are linxu drivers to support the bluetooth modem profile |
| 08:08.25 | karsten | prplstarlette: ...depends on your bootloader. |
| 08:08.26 | Nezzie | is there a way within linux to format a harddrive with NTFS |
| 08:08.26 | amorphix | I've setup NFS to allow my client to access /home/user on server, do I need to mv/rename the local /home/user before mounting? |
| 08:08.33 | karsten | !tell myren about repeat. |
| 08:08.34 | prplstarlette | im using rub |
| 08:08.36 | prplstarlette | grub |
| 08:08.40 | karsten | Nezzie: Not AFAIK. |
| 08:09.01 | myren | !tell karsten about responding to someones frakking question |
| 08:09.16 | jhumo | amorphix: it depends on your target dir |
| 08:09.25 | nanok | myren: i don not understand what bluetooth modem profile means to you, but bluetoot connection to your phone is usually possible, the modem in your phone usually needs no drivers, as it is ...just an AT modem.. |
| 08:09.26 | karsten | myren: Ticking off the regulars is highly deprecated. |
| 08:09.35 | TigerWraith | yea i got write access going :D |
| 08:09.48 | amorphix | jhumo: the target dir is identitical to the local dir |
| 08:09.49 | myren | karsten: dont worry, i'm grandfathered in on that one. |
| 08:09.50 | nanok | myren: google for your specific model of phone and bluetooth dongle, to see if they are suported.. |
| 08:10.05 | nanok | myren: find out how to set it up, if they are.. |
| 08:10.12 | nanok | myren: test on a live cd.. |
| 08:10.14 | prplstarlette | when i go to log in...it gives me an error about session being too short... |
| 08:10.20 | jhumo | amorphix: then it will show u the mounted FS |
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| 08:10.38 | karsten | prplstarlette: What 'zactly are you trying to do then? |
| 08:10.46 | amorphix | jhumo: what happens to the local one, it's inaccessible until you umout the remote FS? |
| 08:10.49 | myren | nanok: i'm reaidng about EDGE connections; seems most of the bluetooth users under windows have some sort of GUI they use on their computer to dial their phones out |
| 08:11.01 | prplstarlette | i was having problems cuz i installed gnome...but wanted to go back to kde...well twisted told me to switch my display manager |
| 08:11.05 | jhumo | amorphix: ya ofcourse it will be inaccessible I think |
| 08:11.06 | prplstarlette | now i can't even log in |
| 08:11.09 | amorphix | ok |
| 08:11.13 | amorphix | thanks |
| 08:11.50 | myren | rather, upon further inspection, it looks like the bluetooth modem profile appears as a normal modem in windows |
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| 08:12.00 | TigerWraith | ok now how do i change apache2 to point to /home/user instead of /var/www |
| 08:12.02 | nanok | myren: i donot know about guis, you can do a google for that to (allthough wtf is a gui usefull for, you just want to do it once, and a single minimal script that does it for you afterwards..) |
| 08:12.31 | nanok | myren: dunno..i'm afraid you'll have to do some digging up yourself to find out if/how it works.. |
| 08:12.40 | nanok | myren: good luck, btw |
| 08:12.58 | myren | heh, thanks |
| 08:13.16 | myren | finally getting around to doing the whole cell phone dance, figure i might as well do it right |
| 08:13.17 | jimi | why does k3b take longer (up to 3x longer) to verify a data dvd than it does to burn it? |
| 08:13.23 | karsten | prplstarlette: OK. And no0w you can't log in or what? |
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| 08:13.33 | gudi | gi |
| 08:13.40 | nanok | should not be hard, really..it took me about 5 mins to connect my brothers nokia6310 on bluetooth |
| 08:13.45 | karsten | jimi: It verifies it *very* hard? |
| 08:13.51 | nanok | searching on google and all included.. |
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| 08:14.07 | gudi | is it possiple to get packages vi apt from a ftp which require a username and pass ? |
| 08:14.42 | gudi | or is auth only used for the ftp_proxy in apt ? |
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| 08:14.45 | jimi | karsten: i was thinking somthing like that, but my hd light is barley flashing... do you know of a way of changing verification options? |
| 08:14.50 | amorphix | damn, i just tried to mount remote fs using NFS and received: mount: RPC: Program not registered |
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| 08:15.08 | prplstarlette | i can't log in...it gives me an error and brings me right back to the login |
| 08:15.08 | Guerin | amorphix: do the troubleshooting section of the NFS howto on tldp |
| 08:15.15 | prplstarlette | right now i am in command prompt |
| 08:15.19 | nanok | amorphix: /etc/init.d/portmap start?.. |
| 08:15.20 | Guerin | amorphix: short answer: some daemon isn't running on server. |
| 08:15.29 | amorphix | phew |
| 08:15.31 | amorphix | ok thanks |
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| 08:15.36 | jhumo | amorphix: seems like your kernel doesn't have NFS support in it |
| 08:15.42 | amorphix | im screwed then |
| 08:15.52 | netics | hi again (: |
| 08:15.56 | Guerin | jhumo: um, what? |
| 08:15.56 | karsten | jimi: NFC, really, I was mostly being flip. |
| 08:16.22 | karsten | jimi: However, validation would probably require reading both the disk and the source... Not sure why that would take any longer than doing same when writing though. |
| 08:16.33 | karsten | prplstarlette: Can you log in at consolt? |
| 08:16.37 | netics | have someone simplyMEPIS 3.3? I have some problems with taskbar |
| 08:16.41 | karsten | prplstarlette: <ctrl><alt><f1> should put you there. |
| 08:16.49 | jhumo | Guerin......u need to enable NFSroot before building ther kernel .....right? |
| 08:16.53 | karsten | netics: Debian != MEPIS. |
| 08:16.55 | prplstarlette | yes...i can log in at the console |
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| 08:17.04 | netics | ok |
| 08:17.19 | karsten | netics: /join #mepis |
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| 08:18.05 | netics | karsten, i am there now :p |
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| 08:18.28 | jimi | karsten: yeah its pretty weird, might not bother doing the verification |
| 08:18.45 | h3xley | back |
| 08:19.09 | karsten | h3xley: front |
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| 08:19.29 | h3xley | whatever floats your boat |
| 08:19.30 | h3xley | :P |
| 08:19.34 | linlin_ | how do i tell debian to use a static ip, subnet, and gateway? |
| 08:19.39 | karsten | prplstarlette: Do that then. You might check ~/.xsession-errors to see if there's any indication of why your KDM login's failing. |
| 08:19.54 | karsten | linlin_: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:19.59 | Xyrouz | linlin_: in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:20.09 | jim | linlin_: /etc/network/interfaces and man 5 interfaces |
| 08:20.10 | karsten | linlin_: man interfaces(5) |
| 08:20.20 | linlin_ | ok, |
| 08:20.28 | karsten | jim: yay one-liners. |
| 08:20.28 | linlin_ | thanks |
| 08:20.34 | prplstarlette | it dealt with xserver |
| 08:20.44 | prplstarlette | i just reconfigured the xserver...gonna see if that works |
| 08:20.48 | defcon8 | instead of using norton ghost how can i copy an exact image of one hdd to another? |
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| 08:20.53 | jim | and I think you can find the example in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/interfaces.gx |
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| 08:20.55 | jim | gz |
| 08:21.02 | karsten | defcon8: dd |
| 08:21.09 | jimi | karsten: ahhh its a bug in the version of k3b in etch. gonna have to go the unstable route |
| 08:21.10 | defcon8 | karsten: can you give me an example please? |
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| 08:21.25 | jhumo | brb |
| 08:21.26 | CAiRO | is there a window manager like sawfish that will let me adjust my mouse button bindings? ie i want to use my mouse button 6 to resize a window |
| 08:21.32 | karsten | defcon8: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=1024 |
| 08:21.37 | dsl2303 | installed debian no problem, but boot fails... shpchp and pciehp can't be loaded... found things about this but no answers... any suggestions? |
| 08:21.51 | prplstarlette | i got that too dsl...but mine boots |
| 08:21.52 | defcon8 | whats the 1024 bfor? |
| 08:21.55 | karsten | defcon8: ...mind, you want to make sure that's what you really want to do. You can utterly nuke a drive doing that. |
| 08:22.05 | nanok | dsl2303: boot does not fail because of that, afaik |
| 08:22.06 | prplstarlette | i dunno what that is |
| 08:22.08 | jim | CAiRO: sawfish |
| 08:22.13 | defcon8 | well we are copying hdd's with windows installed on |
| 08:22.13 | karsten | defcon8: Blocksize / buffer. |
| 08:22.19 | prplstarlette | usually...boot fails cuz of xserver |
| 08:22.22 | defcon8 | why should it nuke it |
| 08:22.46 | prplstarlette | do you got an environment installed? |
| 08:22.48 | karsten | defcon8: IIRC 1024's the default. You can set it a little higher up to ~8192 to possibly get better performance. |
| 08:22.49 | prplstarlette | like kde or gnome? |
| 08:22.55 | CAiRO | jim: yeah, but i can't use sawfish (at least not versions >1.0.1) as it has problems with my graphic drivers (mga400) |
| 08:22.57 | dsl2303 | well either way, boot fails and the last things a can see are about shpchp and pciehp |
| 08:23.07 | cahoot | defcon8: the hds are of the same size? |
| 08:23.10 | karsten | defcon8: ...each block is written, then read, with no buffering, and an excessively slow blocksize will slow the transaction. |
| 08:23.11 | dsl2303 | i don't even get a prompt it just stops |
| 08:23.13 | defcon8 | yeah but why would it break the drive. this is very important stuff and i dont need it to break |
| 08:23.17 | prplstarlette | its hanging for some reason |
| 08:23.19 | jim | how would it have any issue with your driver? |
| 08:23.33 | nanok | dsl2303: i think you should look harder.. |
| 08:23.34 | defcon8 | cahoot: naah from a normal hdd to a laptop hdd |
| 08:23.34 | dsl2303 | thats what i want to know |
| 08:23.37 | karsten | prplstarlette: Can you start X from console: 'startx' eg. |
| 08:23.42 | TigerWraith | ok website is loaded just need to know how to make apache2 go to /home/user/public_html instead of /var/www |
| 08:23.54 | dsl2303 | i search on google and get a whole 10 results or so... mostly all to the same page |
| 08:23.56 | cahoot | defcon8: then I doubt dd is a method of choice |
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| 08:24.01 | karsten | defcon8: If your target drive is bare, there's no issues w/ it. |
| 08:24.01 | jayparadise | wow limewire does odd things to my connection. im downloading suse 9.3 pro and debian at the same time at 500kb/s each, yet i cant connect to http, aim, email, or probably anything else |
| 08:24.02 | defcon8 | ok then nvm thanks |
| 08:24.07 | prplstarlette | i have no problem getting x to start |
| 08:24.15 | Guerin | TigerWraith: read about mod_userdir |
| 08:24.15 | dsl2303 | none of them have resolutions, they only say they have that problem |
| 08:24.17 | karsten | defcon8: If you copy to the *wrong* device, you're going to nuke whatever data's there. |
| 08:24.21 | defcon8 | ok nvm thanks for the help |
| 08:24.22 | jim | TigerWraith: there's apache.org website and there's #apache |
| 08:24.23 | Guerin | TigerWraith: on httpd.apache.org |
| 08:24.25 | empty | jayparadise, you on cable? |
| 08:24.26 | CAiRO | jim: well, it loses windows, crashes.. i have written a test program to make the bug appear.. anyway, can you read? i guess i mentioned in my initial question that i'm not looking for sawfish as i already know it |
| 08:24.29 | defcon8 | naah course i wont do the wrong drive |
| 08:24.33 | cahoot | karsten: won't dd be a problem if the disks differ in size? |
| 08:24.35 | defcon8 | ill do fdisk -l |
| 08:24.36 | jayparadise | yea its some limewire problem |
| 08:24.42 | jayparadise | ive heard of them |
| 08:24.43 | nanok | jayparadise: you are downloading debian via limewire?... |
| 08:24.44 | karsten | cahoot: That too. |
| 08:24.48 | jayparadise | no |
| 08:24.49 | defcon8 | ahh ok nvm ill just use ghost thanks for the help anyway |
| 08:24.52 | defcon8 | ok bye |
| 08:24.52 | h3xley | limewire pro is heaps better |
| 08:24.54 | prplstarlette | ok...i logged in...its saying your session only lasted less than 10 second. if you have not logged out yourself, this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you may be out of diskspace. try loggin in with one of the failsafe sessions to see if you can fix the problem |
| 08:24.55 | karsten | defcon8: The disks need to have identical geometries. |
| 08:24.58 | empty | jayparadise, weird... Is it eating all of your upload speed perhaps? |
| 08:25.09 | radiodog | jay: you're using your bandwidth for the downloads, and none's left for anything else. |
| 08:25.09 | karsten | cahoot: ...or IIRC you can copy smaller to larger... |
| 08:25.10 | prplstarlette | ahhh...its something with gdm... |
| 08:25.18 | amorphix | i phixed the mount issue with NFS guys, was a problem with hosts.allow, portmap needed a mention in there |
| 08:25.21 | jayparadise | how would that effect http though? |
| 08:25.34 | jayparadise | i dont share |
| 08:25.38 | jim | CAiRO: seems to me that if sawfish can have that bug and sawfish is nothing but an x client, then all other clients could exhibit the same problem |
| 08:25.38 | jayparadise | on limewire |
| 08:25.51 | Guerin | jayparadise: throttle your download to ~90% of your theoretical maximum |
| 08:25.54 | h3xley | greedy! |
| 08:26.01 | jayparadise | and i closed it a long time ago |
| 08:26.04 | cahoot | karsten: being a simple amateur - but won't dd make the larger one unly usable to the extent of the smaller? |
| 08:26.05 | CAiRO | jim: well, and why does it only appear with a mga400 in place? |
| 08:26.08 | radiodog | jay: you have to download the webpage, and 1meg/sec of data. it cant all fit thorugh |
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| 08:26.09 | empty | jayparadise, Well then nevermind that question :) |
| 08:26.09 | dsl2303 | so if i need to look more... where should i look? |
| 08:26.11 | jayparadise | if i want to reconnect, |
| 08:26.20 | karsten | cahoot: Yes. |
| 08:26.23 | jayparadise | i have to just reboot the dhcp |
| 08:26.27 | CAiRO | mag400 and sawfish of course |
| 08:26.36 | jim | CAiRO: bad driver? dunno. try it using other clients, and other window managers |
| 08:26.39 | jayparadise | but htat will mess up my debian download |
| 08:26.44 | karsten | cahoot: Which is why I generally recommend *not* dd'ing one drive to another, but using tar (or similar tools) instead. |
| 08:26.45 | jim | your test program that is |
| 08:26.48 | jayparadise | which is going at 500kb/s |
| 08:26.49 | radiodog | use bittorrent :) |
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| 08:27.00 | jayparadise | im getting suse on bit torrent |
| 08:27.02 | karsten | cahoot: However Windows totally fucks up on permissions, bootsector, and kernel, unless you do an image. |
| 08:27.16 | karsten | cahoot: Which is why Ghost is so damned prevalent. |
| 08:27.17 | radiodog | um. okay. do both? |
| 08:27.20 | CAiRO | jim: i have, eg. metacity doesn't crash.. that's why i'm looking for a different window manager that will let me adjust my mouse bindings.. sawfish versions 1.0.1 or before also don't crash |
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| 08:28.01 | prplstarlette | ok cntrl alt f1 does not bring me to console |
| 08:28.01 | karsten | cahoot: One minor benefit can be if you have a filesystem with lots of very small files. Doing an image actually requires less stat()ing of files, since there's really only one read and one write happening, modulo blocksize. |
| 08:28.11 | Nezzie | seb: uh oh ... this is weird, i'm confirming the cds i made of the data .. and everything in the parent directory opens fine but when i open a picture or a document in a subfolder, it can't read it |
| 08:28.12 | jim | CAiRO: then it would make sense to take a look at the diff between 1.0.1 and the very next version |
| 08:28.13 | nanok | CAiRO: fvwm is one..not for the weak harted though.. :) |
| 08:28.37 | Seb | Nezzie: how so ? |
| 08:28.37 | jim | try your test program with fvwm |
| 08:28.51 | jim | also try to find out why this is happening |
| 08:28.59 | CAiRO | jim: sure, i've reported the bug several times, but nobody from the sawfish staff seems to care or have a mga400 |
| 08:29.19 | Nezzie | seb: i have no clue, all the hiarchy is there but when i open anything in a subdirectory .. it won't open .. every file in the parent dir opens fine though .. |
| 08:29.22 | CAiRO | nanok: ok, thanks, i'll have a look.. does it allow me to adjust my mouse bindings? |
| 08:29.34 | jim | they probably also believe the problem is not in sawfish itself but the driver |
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| 08:29.57 | nanok | CAiRO: it allows you to adjust about anything you can think off..that's perhaps why it is not for the weak harted.. ;) |
| 08:30.07 | greyson | CAiRO: FVWM was the window manager that started AfterStep and Enlightenment -- they used its configurability to get their start... :) |
| 08:30.23 | CAiRO | ok, great |
| 08:30.26 | Seb | Nezzie: how does it not open ? |
| 08:30.29 | dsl2303 | <nonok> if i am supposed to look harder, where should i look? |
| 08:30.37 | jim | CAiRO: you say that 1.0.1 is the very last version that does not crash? |
| 08:30.48 | CAiRO | jim: yes, exactly |
| 08:30.56 | nanok | dsl2303: where does it stop? is there a kernel panic? does it say anything?.. |
| 08:30.58 | jim | ok, what is the very next version? |
| 08:30.59 | prplstarlette | i need to uninstall gdm before xserver starts but no matter what i push i cannot get to the terminal before xserver starts |
| 08:31.01 | liable | prplstarlette: all at the same time, and wait about 2 seconds. |
| 08:31.05 | nanok | what does "stop" means.. |
| 08:31.12 | jim | not go |
| 08:31.15 | CAiRO | 1.1 does crash (and 1.1 should be the first gtk2 version) |
| 08:31.17 | nanok | dsl2303: your not helping us much... |
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| 08:31.32 | liable | prplstarlette: you trying to install a nvidea driver or something? |
| 08:31.38 | Nezzie | well the file is visible, but if i try and execute a jpg for instance, it will not open the file, says an unknown error occured while accessing (windows xp) |
| 08:31.58 | prplstarlette | no...im having a problem with display managers... |
| 08:32.02 | nanok | Nezzie: tryed copying? |
| 08:32.05 | dsl2303 | it doesn't really say anything that i can see... it doesn't say anthing, it says it can't load hciehp, and seems like it doesn't matter, then says stuff about usb then ... nothing... just stops... |
| 08:32.09 | cast | hmm, how does one gen a new set of sshd keys? rm the ones in /etc/ssh and restart the daemon? |
| 08:32.09 | cast | ahh dear. im about to lag out |
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| 08:32.14 | liable | prplstarlette: what are you trying to do then. |
| 08:32.18 | dsl2303 | it doesn't say anything very helpful |
| 08:32.19 | Nezzie | nanok what do you mean?: |
| 08:32.45 | nanok | Nezzie: cp from cd to hdd |
| 08:32.50 | Nezzie | k |
| 08:32.54 | nanok | Nezzie: one of the offending files.. |
| 08:33.17 | Nezzie | cannot read from the source file or source disk |
| 08:33.19 | nanok | might be that you havent got a joliet extension?... |
| 08:33.43 | Gnea | riddle me this: why would someone want to restrict users from accessing gmail via squid? |
| 08:34.04 | prplstarlette | ok...from step 1...i installed gnome...don't like it that much...twisted told me to install kdm in order to get the login screen in order for me to change the default session to kde |
| 08:34.11 | carson | is there a /usr/sbin/syslog file? |
| 08:34.12 | Nezzie | gnea: becuase they are at work, and they shouldn't be checking personal email? |
| 08:34.26 | prplstarlette | since then i haven't been able to log in...tried to use kdm...didn't work...trie dto use gdm...doesn't work |
| 08:34.31 | nanok | Nezzie: find out if it works ok on a linux box. if it doesnt, i guess you have a freesbee (or however the hell you spell that :) |
| 08:34.40 | Gnea | Nezzie: that's possible, give me another |
| 08:34.44 | Seb | Nezzie: try mounting the CD in linux, and see if you can access it there |
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| 08:34.57 | Seb | Gnea: because gmail is evil ? |
| 08:34.59 | prplstarlette | and no matter what i do with ctrl alt F1...nothing works at all to bring me to prompt |
| 08:35.02 | petemc | carson: /sbin/syslogd |
| 08:35.03 | Gnea | Seb: pardon? |
| 08:35.05 | Nezzie | seb: lmao |
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| 08:35.15 | Seb | Gnea: it never deletes your mail, hence it's evil |
| 08:35.17 | carson | thanks |
| 08:35.29 | Nezzie | seb: the 700 meg cd in windows say it contains no free space, and says it has 1.13 gigs ... |
| 08:35.33 | Gnea | Seb: it's also still in beta |
| 08:35.40 | Seb | Gnea: and ? |
| 08:35.42 | Gnea | ok, that's 2 good reasons |
| 08:35.46 | nanok | Gnea: yes..didnt you know? it's all part of a big conspiracy.. |
| 08:35.47 | nanok | :P |
| 08:35.55 | Gnea | well duh :P |
| 08:36.00 | Seb | Gnea: you think once it's not beta and pay-for, you'll be able to actually delete mails ? :> I odn't think so... |
| 08:36.14 | Nezzie | seb: how do i burn this directory in two partS? |
| 08:36.32 | Gnea | Seb: that's a matter of debate, but pointless until they actually go full-blown |
| 08:36.50 | Seb | Nezzie: trickier |
| 08:36.54 | liable | prplstarlette: ok, remove --purge them all, (the dm's) and run 'update-alternatives --config x-window-manager' for a start. |
| 08:36.59 | Seb | Nezzie: setup symlinks to half of it |
| 08:37.04 | CAiRO | jim: http://www.domains-und-mehr.de/dateien/hw.c is the test program.. it simply shows and hides a window 100 times |
| 08:37.04 | Seb | Nezzie: on some other dir |
| 08:37.07 | nanok | Gnea: the best reason of all: someone felt like it at some point. perhaps now they dont even recall having done it...but why change it.. :) |
| 08:37.13 | Seb | and give mkisofs the option so that it does follow symlinks |
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| 08:37.59 | Nezzie | =( ... i'm confused |
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| 08:38.11 | Gnea | ok the next question would then be - howto firewall off gmail using squid |
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| 08:38.30 | nanok | Nezzie: why are you not using something like k3b, again?... |
| 08:38.33 | prplstarlette | i need to get to prompt first liable |
| 08:38.48 | Seb | Nezzie: mkdir /tmp/foo ; cd /tmp/foo ; ln -sf /thebigdir/dir1 ./ ; ln -sf /thebigdir/dir2 ./ ; .... |
| 08:38.55 | Seb | Nezzie: then you run the burn command on /tmp/foo |
| 08:38.55 | liable | prplstarlette: you cannot get one at all? |
| 08:39.02 | nanok | Nezzie: you are confused because you need a bit more experience with linux/*nix like os-es, i think.. |
| 08:39.05 | prplstarlette | ctrl alt F1...nothing |
| 08:39.13 | Seb | Nezzie: but you need to tell mkisofs to follow symlinks, cause it doesn';t do it by default |
| 08:39.17 | nanok | Nezzie: why not just use k3b or something for now? ;) |
| 08:39.18 | liable | prplstarlette: reboot into rescue |
| 08:39.19 | auk | goodnight, all... |
| 08:39.27 | Nezzie | whats k3b |
| 08:39.33 | auk | yes, i know it is early :( |
| 08:39.57 | joel | Nezzie: some burner app |
| 08:39.57 | mokuias | moin moin |
| 08:40.06 | Nezzie | oh |
| 08:40.08 | joel | supposed to be all that |
| 08:40.12 | Nezzie | becuase i'm booted off a cd |
| 08:40.16 | Nezzie | i can't install programs |
| 08:40.31 | nanok | Nezzie: if it is knoppix, it has k3b |
| 08:40.42 | Nezzie | nanok: how can i tell? |
| 08:40.45 | Nezzie | oh the os? |
| 08:40.47 | Nezzie | the os is phlak |
| 08:41.10 | nanok | Nezzie: incidentally, if it is one of the latest ones, you can also install to some extent, but thats another story.. |
| 08:41.10 | prplstarlette | hey liable...can i message you privately? |
| 08:41.13 | mokuias | you're using phlak? for livecd? |
| 08:41.14 | Guerin | Nezzie: 'which k3b' |
| 08:41.24 | Guerin | well, phlak IS a livecd |
| 08:41.36 | mokuias | I would *not* suggest it though for a newbie ;) |
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| 08:41.45 | Nezzie | its not that bad for me |
| 08:41.47 | Guerin | indeed. |
| 08:41.48 | liable | prplstarlette: nah, keep it on channell, then if I cant help, someone else can pick up. |
| 08:41.51 | prplstarlette | ok |
| 08:41.55 | Nezzie | it just more of this advanced on the fly stuff confuses me |
| 08:41.55 | nanok | maybe that's what the man had around.. |
| 08:41.56 | prplstarlette | i am now at the prompt |
| 08:41.59 | netics | how can I uninstall my apache webserver? |
| 08:42.01 | prplstarlette | remove gdm now? |
| 08:42.02 | Nezzie | if i had time to tinker, i would like it |
| 08:42.02 | mokuias | it stands for professional hackers linux assault kit |
| 08:42.07 | karsten | cast: IIRC it's in the postinst scripts. |
| 08:42.07 | prplstarlette | i already removed kdm |
| 08:42.10 | tarzeau2 | !nodm |
| 08:42.10 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 08:42.10 | Seb | netics: apt-get remove apache |
| 08:42.12 | Guerin | netics: how did you install it iftp? |
| 08:42.23 | netics | Guerin, default. linux installed it |
| 08:42.28 | karsten | cast: ...and it's something like "ssh --keygen" pointing to the relevant server file locations. |
| 08:42.30 | Seb | heheh |
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| 08:42.35 | netics | Seb, it doesn't works |
| 08:42.38 | Seb | Guerin: good luck with this one |
| 08:42.41 | Guerin | netics: no, linux did not; and debian doesn't install it unless you tell it to. |
| 08:42.47 | Seb | netics: oh I am now very sure it doesn't |
| 08:42.51 | liable | prplstarlette: yes |
| 08:42.56 | netics | (: |
| 08:42.58 | joel | wtf is up with the global notices all the bloody time? |
| 08:42.58 | coywolf | coywolf ALL=NOPASSWD:/sbin/shutdown << is this ok? i got: shutdown: you must be root to do that! |
| 08:43.03 | cast | hmmm, alright, i shall look |
| 08:43.13 | karsten | cast: ssh-keygen -f <file> |
| 08:43.15 | netics | ok, I think I told it to install. But now I want to remove it |
| 08:43.16 | Seb | netics: would that be because you use mepis and not debian ? |
| 08:43.18 | Guerin | coywolf: man sudoers |
| 08:43.23 | Guerin | coywolf: man sudo |
| 08:43.25 | netics | Seb, yes. |
| 08:43.26 | karsten | cast: ...judging by /var/lib/dpkg/info/ssh.postinst |
| 08:43.31 | prplstarlette | ok...so remove all that stuff |
| 08:43.37 | Seb | coywolf: well you still need to run "sudo shutdown ..." |
| 08:43.40 | prplstarlette | then type in update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 08:43.45 | coywolf | thanks Seb Guerin |
| 08:43.53 | Seb | netics: in which case... ask in #mepis |
| 08:43.58 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:44.08 | Seb | netics: because, Debian being different than mepis, we cannot possibly help, now can we ? |
| 08:44.08 | Guerin | mepis is not debian, you tool |
| 08:44.19 | liable | prplstarlette: prplstarlette no |
| 08:44.23 | karsten | cast: ...and you want to specify the keytype as well ("-t" option). |
| 08:44.24 | Gnea | this is psychotic... |
| 08:44.27 | liable | bleh |
| 08:44.28 | netics | Seb, ok I understand |
| 08:44.44 | Seb | netics: hint, when coming to #debian, /part #mepis first |
| 08:44.50 | Gnea | phlak is based on morphix which is based on kanaotix which is based on knoppix originally debian |
| 08:44.54 | Seb | netics: that way we won't suscpect it right away |
| 08:44.55 | Guerin | netics: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |awk '/apache/ {print $2}'|xargs aptitude -y purge |
| 08:45.10 | prplstarlette | ok i got rid of gdm |
| 08:45.14 | Seb | Guerin: aaah, the new dpkg is going to fix this COLUMSN hack :) |
| 08:45.18 | prplstarlette | so all i have left is xdm |
| 08:45.29 | Guerin | netics: that's guaranteed to nuke the whole apache shop, mepis or otherwise. Now fuck off to #mepis with the rest of your problems |
| 08:45.33 | Guerin | Seb: sweet! |
| 08:45.35 | prplstarlette | now what do i do |
| 08:45.43 | Seb | Guerin: yeah, been waiting for that for a long while now :) |
| 08:45.45 | ColonelKernel | friggin gaim - logging into yahoo gives me an unable to read error |
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| 08:45.50 | netics | ok thx ((: |
| 08:45.50 | liable | prplstarlette: where are you at the mo, at a login, in a desktop or what? |
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| 08:45.58 | Nezzie | whats the command to tell the size of a directory? |
| 08:46.01 | prplstarlette | liable...prompt |
| 08:46.09 | ColonelKernel | Nezzie, du |
| 08:46.15 | karsten | Nezzie: 'du' |
| 08:46.16 | prplstarlette | xserver isn't started |
| 08:46.25 | Seb | Guerin: one bonus point for using awk rather than "grep ... | sed ..." :) |
| 08:46.29 | ColonelKernel | kimchee is evil. evil stuff |
| 08:46.31 | prplstarlette | i removed gdm and kdm |
| 08:46.36 | prplstarlette | so all that is remaining is xdm |
| 08:46.47 | Seb | ColonelKernel: that spicy stuff ? |
| 08:46.48 | mg | does anyone know an apt repository for sarge with *lots* of python 2.4 packages? the debian.org repositories are missing some useful, and common, packages |
| 08:46.52 | ColonelKernel | I use gdm, cause I use gnome |
| 08:47.03 | liable | prplstarlette: ok, try 'update-alternatives --config x-window-manager' |
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| 08:47.05 | karsten | ColonelKernel: That's why we give it to Guerin. He actually *likes* the stuff. |
| 08:47.07 | Seb | mg: backports.org, apt-get.org ? |
| 08:47.14 | ColonelKernel | Seb, yes, very spicy - not suitable for the tender intestines of american jewry evidently |
| 08:47.15 | Guerin | yummeh |
| 08:47.15 | coywolf | coywolf ALL=(root) ... << what does (root) mean here? |
| 08:47.22 | Guerin | nothing wrong with it :) |
| 08:47.23 | karsten | mg: Um. Isn't there a python repository out there somewher? |
| 08:47.27 | Guerin | coywolf: man sudoers |
| 08:47.31 | ColonelKernel | that stuff was hell going in and hell coming out |
| 08:47.33 | karsten | coywolf: sudo? |
| 08:47.37 | Guerin | coywolf: don't fuck wwith sudoers without rtfming |
| 08:47.39 | coywolf | karsten, yes |
| 08:47.47 | Seb | ColonelKernel: heh. Once I got hit by one of those in a korean restaurant, i thought I was gonna die. I cried for like 10 minutes, couldn't even *drink cold water* :) |
| 08:47.51 | cast | karsten: alright, i just went rm /etc/ssh/*key* and ran dpkg-reconfigure ssh :) |
| 08:47.51 | Guerin | ColonelKernel: wuss |
| 08:47.56 | coywolf | Guerin, which paragraph to read? |
| 08:48.02 | Guerin | coywolf: the whole lot. |
| 08:48.09 | karsten | cast: That would do it. It checks to see if the keys exist. |
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| 08:48.12 | liable | wtf is kimchee |
| 08:48.13 | Guerin | coywolf: until you understand it. |
| 08:48.17 | Gnea | Guerin: sting a bit today? |
| 08:48.19 | ColonelKernel | Guerin, hey man, i cant help it if I wasnt given a cast iron anus - that kimchee is like colonic mace |
| 08:48.19 | Guerin | liable: fgi |
| 08:48.20 | coywolf | Guerin, i need to find the (root) part firstr |
| 08:48.24 | Guerin | Gnea: ? |
| 08:48.26 | karsten | liable: Fermented cabbage. |
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| 08:48.31 | Seb | liable: something Guerin likes, but ColonelKernel dislikes |
| 08:48.32 | Guerin | coywolf: no you don't |
| 08:48.34 | mokuias | err |
| 08:48.34 | ColonelKernel | fermented and SPICED |
| 08:48.42 | prplstarlette | liable: gives me 3 alternatives /usr/bin/kwin /usr/X11R6/bin/twm /usr/bin/metacity |
| 08:48.42 | Seb | heheheh |
| 08:48.42 | mokuias | command to see comp specs? |
| 08:48.42 | liable | oh, sounds funky :) |
| 08:48.45 | mokuias | anyone remember? |
| 08:48.46 | ColonelKernel | its not that I disliked it - it just hurt |
| 08:48.47 | Gnea | Guerin: oh, it seems like you've got a pine tree or something rammed into your anal cavity or something heh |
| 08:48.50 | Guerin | ColonelKernel: damn americans and your bland food |
| 08:48.52 | prplstarlette | default is /usr/bin/metacity |
| 08:48.54 | cast | probably i had was that this diskimage was a diskimage of a debian install. so theres the problem of multiple instances of the os floating around the place with indentical keypairs |
| 08:48.55 | ColonelKernel | if I got really drunk i'd eat it again |
| 08:48.56 | liable | prplstarlette: you want kde? |
| 08:48.58 | karsten | liable: Korean ethnic food. |
| 08:49.00 | prplstarlette | yes |
| 08:49.03 | liable | yumm |
| 08:49.05 | Seb | ColonelKernel: colonic mace is actually an interesting way of putting it |
| 08:49.10 | Gnea | i hate bland food |
| 08:49.14 | liable | prplstarlette: well, choose kwin |
| 08:49.19 | ColonelKernel | Guerin, yes if it aint pressed into a lump and shoved into a bun we arent interested |
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| 08:49.27 | prplstarlette | ok did that |
| 08:49.29 | prplstarlette | reboot now? |
| 08:49.36 | ColonelKernel | Seb, just makes ones ace-hole burn |
| 08:49.37 | Guerin | Gnea: i'm actually supremely relaxed right now, having spent an hour at extreme temperatures in the baths with a bunch of naked korean men. |
| 08:49.38 | prplstarlette | or can i just startx |
| 08:49.39 | liable | prplstarlette: no, startx |
| 08:49.44 | coywolf | coywolf ALL=(root) ... << (root) is the default and I can ommit it, right? |
| 08:49.48 | Gnea | Guerin: someone recommended farmers cheese to me the other day... no taste whatsoever, i'll never touch that shit again |
| 08:49.59 | liable | prplstarlette: not as *root* |
| 08:50.05 | aliumalik | anyone have experience with samba+Nt domains? |
| 08:50.07 | ColonelKernel | try gefilte fish. |
| 08:50.08 | Gnea | Guerin: heh |
| 08:50.10 | ColonelKernel | :D |
| 08:50.30 | prplstarlette | ok... |
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| 08:50.35 | Gnea | speaking of spice, i ran out of curry earlier |
| 08:50.39 | Seb | !tell aliumalik about survey |
| 08:50.45 | Gnea | must... have... curry.... |
| 08:50.48 | karsten | Gnea: There's an upscale store here that sells a horseradish cheese. |
| 08:50.48 | Guerin | !breakfast of champions |
| 08:50.48 | dpkg | i heard breakfast of champions is < PerfDave> Mmm, leftover curry for breakfast. |
| 08:50.50 | Nezzie | seb: any ideas on how to burn that directory? |
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| 08:50.55 | joel | !curry |
| 08:50.56 | liable | mmmmmm curry |
| 08:50.56 | timo_ | 25th of June is the release date of DellServ 5.5 in EMEA! |
| 08:50.58 | Seb | Nezzie: i did tell you earlier |
| 08:51.04 | Gnea | karsten: i live in wisconsin |
| 08:51.05 | karsten | Gnea: ...it's basically a white farmer's cheese w/ horseradish in it. *Excellent* bite to it. |
| 08:51.06 | shark | hi anyone can help with TAPI 3.0 please? msg me in private thx |
| 08:51.08 | Seb | !kimchee |
| 08:51.08 | prplstarlette | it wont let me do startx from my user account |
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| 08:51.21 | liable | prplstarlette: whats it say? |
| 08:51.26 | Seb | shark: wow, you're going nowhere like that |
| 08:51.35 | Seb | amorphix: heh |
| 08:51.40 | sam_ | hello |
| 08:51.43 | tarzeau2 | zeh NFS |
| 08:51.45 | Seb | sam_: sup Uncle |
| 08:51.48 | liable | whats *that* taste like |
| 08:51.49 | shark | Seb: no one knows about TAPI anyway |
| 08:51.50 | Gnea | !tell shark about rules |
| 08:51.58 | Nezzie | seb: sorry missed it |
| 08:52.01 | Seb | shark: and no one will wanna help if you don't describe your problem |
| 08:52.10 | slf | wow. 2.6.12.1 actually compiles with the GFS stable kernel patches, with gcc 4.0.1, completely flawlessly. quick, to the ftp client! |
| 08:52.12 | Seb | Nezzie: scroll back up |
| 08:52.14 | prplstarlette | something about the user cannot start xserver |
| 08:52.16 | sam_ | is there a way to change the charset in gnome ?.. i have sarge-amd64 |
| 08:52.16 | Gnea | !tell shark about ask |
| 08:52.18 | slf | check that out |
| 08:52.20 | aliumalik | whenever I try to join a domain with 'net join <DOMAIN_NAME> -U <USERNAME>' and enter the password it gives me this error "ads_connect: No such file or directory" what am I doing wrong? |
| 08:52.25 | Seb | Nezzie: mkdir /tmp/foo ; cd /tmp/foo ; ln -sf /thebigdir/dir1 ./ ; ln -sf /thebigdir/dir2 ./ ; .... |
| 08:52.29 | shark | i have problem with RegisterCallNotifications() |
| 08:52.34 | Seb | Nezzie: then you run the burn command on /tmp/foo |
| 08:52.38 | tarzeau2 | !shark |
| 08:52.38 | dpkg | [shark] me, or tired. both, or going to bed now. |
| 08:52.41 | shark | it return exception E_CONNECTION_ERROR |
| 08:52.49 | Seb | Nezzie: and you tell mkisofs to follow symlinks |
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| 08:53.00 | petemc | aliumalik: net join? what package is that in? |
| 08:53.02 | Nezzie | Nezzie: mkdir /tmp/foo ; cd /tmp/foo ; ln -sf /thebigdir/dir1 ./ ; ln -sf /thebigdir/dir2 ./ ; .... |
| 08:53.06 | prplstarlette | ok now xserver doesn't wanna start |
| 08:53.07 | Seb | aliumalik: you might wanna try #samba |
| 08:53.07 | Nezzie | ? |
| 08:53.14 | Gnea | shark: what is TAPI? |
| 08:53.15 | aliumalik | petemc: samba |
| 08:53.15 | Seb | petemc: samba |
| 08:53.17 | liable | prplstarlette: paste the whole error somewhere (not here) |
| 08:53.21 | karsten | For grins. |
| 08:53.24 | petemc | Seb: theres a net command in samba? |
| 08:53.28 | aliumalik | Seb: seems kinda dead :( |
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| 08:53.42 | Seb | someone please fix prplstarlette's problem, so we can be here in peace, for god's sake |
| 08:53.43 | h3xley | god it must be painful making linux work properly as a desktop |
| 08:53.48 | slf | here goes nothin |
| 08:53.49 | petemc | !+find bin/net |
| 08:53.51 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 08:53.52 | h3xley | I've sat and watched someone once, with ubuntu |
| 08:53.53 | slf | werd up |
| 08:53.55 | nanok | prplstarlette: have you logged in as root on the tty, and than did su? |
| 08:53.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/net' (10 of 37): (/bin/netcat) in net/netcat ;; (/sbin/netbug) in net/iproute ;; (/sbin/netenv) in admin/netenv ;; (/bin/netstat) in net/net-tools ;; (/usr/bin/netsed) in net/netsed ;; (/usr/bin/netwag) in net/netwag ;; (/usr/bin/netrik) in web/netrik ;; (/usr/bin/netwox) in net/netwox ;; (/usr/bin/netmask) in net/netmask ;; (/usr/bin/netkit-ftp) in base/ftp. |
| 08:53.58 | Seb | petemc: yeah, to join domains and stuff like that |
| 08:54.00 | h3xley | I had to leave, it was so frustrating |
| 08:54.00 | prplstarlette | put me on ignore seb if you dont like it |
| 08:54.07 | amorphix | it says in NFS guide that nfs-user-server uses slightly more overhead than nfs-kernel-server, is that literal or understated? |
| 08:54.28 | Guerin | amorphix: slightly |
| 08:54.33 | amorphix | ok thanks |
| 08:54.35 | Seb | amorphix: it's really no diff for a server like yours |
| 08:54.38 | Guerin | amorphix: how much do you care about slightly? |
| 08:54.45 | Seb | Guerin: he doesn't ;) |
| 08:54.45 | amorphix | not at all |
| 08:54.50 | Guerin | precisely |
| 08:54.58 | Guerin | otherwise you'd be using gentoo, right? |
| 08:55.04 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 08:55.06 | amorphix | hehe |
| 08:55.07 | Seb | heh |
| 08:55.08 | prplstarlette | for some reason xserver doesn't like it after i reconfigure it...gives me an error about my freaking mouse |
| 08:55.23 | salvia | does anyone knows about a solution that gives ms exchange features for unix ? |
| 08:55.38 | mokuias | question on debian |
| 08:55.38 | Seb | salvia: hackability, crapability ? |
| 08:55.39 | mokuias | http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=4 |
| 08:55.41 | liable | prplstarlette: well, reconfigure it again, and choose the right options. :P |
| 08:55.44 | prplstarlette | ok login came up |
| 08:55.46 | salvia | lol seb. |
| 08:55.46 | prplstarlette | ugly login |
| 08:55.47 | Guerin | salvia: exchange has features? |
| 08:55.50 | mokuias | which one would I be getting? |
| 08:55.51 | nanok | salvia: like..a mta that wont work most of the time and all that?.. |
| 08:55.55 | Guerin | those aren't features, they're bugs. |
| 08:55.56 | salvia | yep |
| 08:56.02 | nanok | salvia: i dont think there is one for linux yet.. :) |
| 08:56.02 | salvia | something to share calanders and stuff |
| 08:56.09 | salvia | with evolution / thunderbird |
| 08:56.11 | petemc | salvia: theres nothing that compares for ease of use and features |
| 08:56.12 | salvia | a unix solution |
| 08:56.14 | prplstarlette | argh...its still logging into gnome |
| 08:56.15 | salvia | instead of the crappy ms |
| 08:56.20 | prplstarlette | and i uninstalled gnome |
| 08:56.34 | salvia | damn ms concepts |
| 08:56.35 | salvia | bah |
| 08:56.36 | Seb | prplstarlette: could you at least use single lines whenevr possible ? |
| 08:56.47 | Seb | salvia: you're looking for some groupware thing, I guess |
| 08:56.49 | petemc | salvia: kolab works with outlook, and is easy to set up |
| 08:56.53 | Seb | salvia: dunno any from the top of my head |
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| 08:57.06 | nanok | salvia: if you mean thos "groupware" "features" i seem to recall they should be suported in evolution, with a plugin i think.. |
| 08:57.18 | Seb | nanok: he wants the *server* |
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| 08:57.23 | prplstarlette | liable: i got logged in...but its going into gnome...not kde |
| 08:57.31 | liable | cabbage is bad enough, I would imagine fermented cabbage makes you fart like a trooper! |
| 08:57.32 | slf | all my problems are solved |
| 08:57.42 | nanok | Seb: ah..ok... sorry for the redundancy.. |
| 08:57.46 | Seb | nanok: np |
| 08:57.56 | Guerin | kimchi isn't just cabbage |
| 08:58.02 | nanok | :) |
| 08:58.02 | Guerin | it's made from all sorts of stuff |
| 08:58.11 | Seb | and you don't wanna know the details |
| 08:58.16 | Seb | :> |
| 08:58.21 | liable | prplstarlette: from startx? |
| 08:58.23 | slf | gcc-4.0.1 just compiled 2.6.12.1 + gfs (latest stable cvs) and is now runnin flawlessly ;) |
| 08:58.26 | slf | thats so sick |
| 08:58.33 | prplstarlette | liable: yes |
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| 08:58.35 | slf | that shit had been broken forever! |
| 08:58.37 | Seb | ah, life on the bleeding edge |
| 08:58.38 | Guerin | radish, bitter greens, sesame leaf, cucumber, dried fish, etc... |
| 08:58.47 | prplstarlette | liable: but it loaded up into gnome...not kde |
| 08:58.51 | salvia | nanok yeah |
| 08:59.08 | salvia | so anyone knows a groupware server/ |
| 08:59.19 | petemc | salvia: open-exchange, kolab, hula |
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| 08:59.32 | viyyer | any pointer for installing hyla fax |
| 08:59.39 | Seb | prplstarlette: echo startkde > ~/.xsession ; startx |
| 08:59.45 | petemc | salvia: but as ive said, none of them compare to recent versions of exchnage in terms of functionality and ease of use |
| 08:59.46 | salvia | kolab/open-xchange - 600euros+ |
| 08:59.49 | salvia | 600euros |
| 08:59.52 | salvia | is more then ms exchange server |
| 08:59.54 | Seb | salvia: petemc told ya |
| 08:59.54 | salvia | so what's the point |
| 08:59.59 | petemc | salvia: what? its free |
| 09:00.03 | salvia | nope |
| 09:00.05 | petemc | yes |
| 09:00.08 | salvia | check again, it became profit org' |
| 09:00.15 | salvia | that what i saw last time i was in their website |
| 09:00.17 | petemc | salvia: no, you're wrong |
| 09:00.23 | salvia | so hook me up |
| 09:00.26 | salvia | i might be, but that what i saw |
| 09:00.49 | petemc | salvia: for one thing, kolab and open-exchange are two very different things |
| 09:01.01 | salvia | kolab is app collection |
| 09:01.05 | salvia | thats all... |
| 09:01.06 | petemc | gah |
| 09:01.09 | salvia | no? |
| 09:01.09 | salvia | :) |
| 09:01.20 | petemc | whatever.. |
| 09:01.30 | slf | ok later |
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| 09:01.33 | salvia | hehe |
| 09:01.34 | pinko | hm. are kernel-headers necessary for recompiling a kernel? |
| 09:01.35 | salvia | chill mang |
| 09:01.48 | Seb | pinko: the source is necessary to compile stuff from source |
| 09:01.51 | jm_ | pinko: no |
| 09:01.59 | liable | prplstarlette: do you have a .drmc file in /home? |
| 09:02.09 | prplstarlette | hold on hold on |
| 09:02.09 | Seb | pinko: so kernel-source-... is enough |
| 09:03.03 | pinko | It's just that I do the "make xconfig" and the errors tell me it's missing files that happen to be in the headers package |
| 09:03.18 | liable | prplstarlette: .dmrc I mean. |
| 09:03.28 | liable | damn dyslexia |
| 09:03.39 | salvia | petemc CHILL ! :P |
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| 09:04.10 | Seb | pinko: you thee some libt...dev prolly |
| 09:04.16 | Seb | s/thee/need/ |
| 09:04.25 | Seb | dunno how I came up with this one :\ |
| 09:04.27 | salvia | petemc thanks tho |
| 09:04.52 | prplstarlette | liable: yes |
| 09:04.57 | Seb | pinko: libqt3-dev or libqt3-mt-dev |
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| 09:05.03 | liable | prplstarlette: whats it say? |
| 09:05.13 | prplstarlette | session: kde |
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| 09:05.22 | Seb | ok, bed time |
| 09:05.24 | liable | hmmm |
| 09:05.31 | Seb | gnight yall |
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| 09:06.24 | liable | prplstarlette: ok, log out of gnome |
| 09:06.34 | prplstarlette | ok |
| 09:06.38 | pinko | thanks Seb |
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| 09:07.11 | prplstarlette | logged out...brought me back to an UGLY gray screen again |
| 09:07.12 | yo2lux | i have a debian 3.1 system with kernel 2.4. I want to install kernel 2.6, possible for me to load kernel 2.4 configurations (/boot/config-2.4.27-2-386) in 2.6 kernel make menuconfig ? |
| 09:07.14 | liable | prplstarlette: type 'kdestart' or startkde, I am not sure. |
| 09:07.36 | pressureman_ | has anyone seen md complain about different uuid's during bootup? |
| 09:07.46 | willvarfar | newbie question: how to get a list of the services started at boot, and disable all those I don't want? (a nice list with checkboxes would be nice) |
| 09:07.53 | pressureman_ | and fdisk report that there is no valid partition table on the md device? |
| 09:08.02 | pressureman_ | (this is on a running system) |
| 09:08.09 | Nezzie | i know this is bad and naughty but i really need to get it done, how do i mount read/write an ntfs partition? |
| 09:08.18 | jm_ | willvarfar: apt-get install sysv-rc-conf |
| 09:08.24 | liable | prplstarlette: ok, no prompt? try right clicking and see if you get any menus. |
| 09:08.44 | prplstarlette | i got a prompt after cntrl alt F1 |
| 09:09.02 | prplstarlette | typed in startkde...now getting an kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server error |
| 09:09.12 | liable | prplstarlette: right /etc/init.d/xdm stop (as root) |
| 09:09.30 | prplstarlette | k give me a sec...i had to reboot... |
| 09:10.06 | liable | why reboot? |
| 09:10.17 | prplstarlette | cuz i couldn't get that error message to stop showing up lol |
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| 09:10.54 | liable | hmmm, why am I alone with this? :P |
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| 09:11.10 | nanok | yo2lux: uh.. you should try make oldconfig, or install a stock debian kernel, they are quite good. unless you have some patches you need |
| 09:11.11 | prplstarlette | ok...let me try that command |
| 09:11.18 | Hugo | Estou perdido :D |
| 09:11.26 | prplstarlette | ok xdm is stopped |
| 09:11.29 | Bauer | has anyone expereience problesm with building dvd iamges of AMD64 for debian using jigdo? |
| 09:11.30 | jim | !br |
| 09:11.31 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 09:11.38 | Bauer | like missing 278 pckages? |
| 09:11.48 | Hugo | obrigado (thanks |
| 09:11.53 | liable | prplstarlette: now as user startkde |
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| 09:12.12 | jim | np; you may or may not be more comfortable there... if so... |
| 09:12.30 | jim | kde needs its own user? |
| 09:12.59 | liable | what? no, not as root, is what I meant. |
| 09:13.07 | pressureman_ | jim: i flagged away using fbcon. using svgatextmode now. |
| 09:13.11 | prplstarlette | gave me a bunch of errors |
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| 09:13.29 | Bauer | so did anyone try to build dvd images for amd64? |
| 09:13.31 | jim | worse than a bunch of flowers |
| 09:13.37 | Nezzie | hey hey, how can i see if my network card is installed .. ... i did an ifconfig and all i see is lo |
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| 09:13.48 | jim | but not to a horrible degree |
| 09:14.07 | jim | Nezzie: try ifconfig eth0 |
| 09:14.12 | prplstarlette | i did a dpkg -l xdm kdm gdm and its still showing all 3 of them |
| 09:14.13 | Morti | Does anyone know a nice way to change the colour of the text in the console at boot time? I've used a setterm command in an init.d script but I'd rather the colour be set far earlier than that. |
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| 09:14.32 | liable | prplstarlette: well, you will have to paste the errors somewhere. |
| 09:14.39 | jim | prplstarlette: are all of them installed? (look left young man) |
| 09:14.41 | Nezzie | jim: what am i looking for? |
| 09:14.54 | prplstarlette | no jim...i removed kdm and gdm |
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| 09:15.18 | jim | Nezzie: do you get... [P]aragraph about eth0? or [E]rror message saying eth0 doesn't exist? |
| 09:15.27 | prplstarlette | liable: its pretty much saying ksplash, ksmsever cannot connect to x server |
| 09:15.29 | liable | Nezzie: is the kernel module for it loaded? |
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| 09:15.39 | jim | prplstarlette: doesn't it say that on the dpkg -l listing? |
| 09:15.41 | Nezzie | jim: paragraph |
| 09:15.52 | jim | Nezzie: network card is installed. |
| 09:15.55 | prplstarlette | no its showing all 3 |
| 09:15.58 | Nezzie | jim: goodie |
| 09:16.00 | jim | also driver is present. |
| 09:16.09 | prplstarlette | xdm has ii next to it...kdm and gdm has rc next to them |
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| 09:16.12 | jim | man 5 interfacdes |
| 09:16.17 | jim | man 5 interfaces |
| 09:16.19 | liable | prplstarlette: ok alt + F7, do you have anything running there? |
| 09:16.29 | jim | that's your next step |
| 09:16.36 | prplstarlette | alt f7 gave me nothing |
| 09:16.42 | tarzeau2 | NeXTSTEP! |
| 09:16.45 | prplstarlette | erased everything and can't do anything |
| 09:16.48 | liable | just a prompt? |
| 09:16.51 | CosmoDad | on a dhcp client, what do I have to do to make the client get its hostname assigned via DHCP (in terms of configuration files, i.e. dhclient.conf, interfaces, ...)? I can't get it to work :( |
| 09:16.53 | prplstarlette | not even a prompt |
| 09:16.59 | prplstarlette | had to cntrl alt F1 |
| 09:17.22 | jim | if you're high but your NeXTSTEP is low... |
| 09:17.23 | Morti | Anyone know anything about my console font colour issue? |
| 09:17.30 | jim | better have a parachute! |
| 09:18.00 | Bauer | can anyone help me with amd64 dvd isos pls??? |
| 09:18.07 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 09:18.08 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 09:18.11 | Bauer | I cant find 278 packages |
| 09:18.18 | Gnea | that's all you get, quite yer whining |
| 09:18.19 | Bauer | not even on the debian site |
| 09:18.22 | Gnea | er, quit |
| 09:18.23 | Morti | Just being able to start the script really early in the boot process would do. |
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| 09:18.57 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:19.02 | jim | CosmoDad: do you have to supply user name for dhcp? |
| 09:19.30 | CosmoDad | jim: as a meaning of authentication you mean? I don't think so |
| 09:19.49 | jim | CosmoDad: so you're essentially looking just to get connected |
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| 09:19.59 | CosmoDad | jim: exactly... |
| 09:20.12 | jim | or, are you configuring the client? or client -and- server? |
| 09:20.22 | CosmoDad | jim: I get the IP address, name server etc. perfectly assigned, but not the hostname |
| 09:20.29 | CosmoDad | jim: just client, the server is up and running |
| 09:20.44 | jim | the hostname comes from dns if it does at all |
| 09:20.48 | CosmoDad | jim: in fact, I don't have access to the dhcp server at all, this is a large-scale infrastracture |
| 09:21.03 | jim | it's your ISP then? |
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| 09:21.15 | CosmoDad | jim: no, it's the place I work at |
| 09:21.40 | pullvault | I no longer have my gmail account, can someone send me an invite? |
| 09:21.44 | prplstarlette | ok i got KDE back |
| 09:21.46 | liable | prplstarlette: ok, try this 'apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common' |
| 09:21.48 | CosmoDad | jim: what do you mean by "[it] comes from the dns" ? |
| 09:21.53 | jim | maybe your hostname does come from dhcp too, but it doesn't have to |
| 09:21.59 | prplstarlette | i had to install kdm and put that default |
| 09:22.00 | liable | prplstarlette: as a user? |
| 09:22.00 | jim | hostname |
| 09:22.15 | pullvault | pm if you can |
| 09:22.26 | CosmoDad | jim: if it comes from DNS, will I have to do another look-up or something? |
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| 09:22.47 | prplstarlette | liable: i had to reinstall KDM |
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| 09:22.52 | liable | ok |
| 09:23.09 | jim | well right, you'd do something like nslookup <your ip> and you should get a hostname out of that |
| 09:23.21 | jim | if your organization even does that |
| 09:23.28 | CosmoDad | jim: I also found a "{request|require} host-name;" setting in dhclient.conf, but it didn't solve my problem |
| 09:23.38 | Twist | When I use the mv command and down want to overwrite the files in the directory that I am moving them too (including folders)... what options do I have to use? |
| 09:23.39 | prplstarlette | ty for your help liable |
| 09:23.44 | jim | but, it would be good if they named all the IPs they give out |
| 09:23.47 | Twist | *dont |
| 09:23.54 | liable | prplstarlette: np |
| 09:23.58 | prplstarlette | argh... |
| 09:24.01 | prplstarlette | no i was under root |
| 09:24.07 | prplstarlette | now why is user loading as gnome |
| 09:24.15 | CosmoDad | jim: is there no debian mechanism for doing the DNS-lookup-after-DHCP-request issue? |
| 09:24.35 | jim | not sure... are you connected now to this thing? |
| 09:24.55 | Twist | Anyone on the mv command? Or do I have to RTFM? |
| 09:24.57 | CosmoDad | jim: unfortunately not, I'd need to go upstairs and lose IRC |
| 09:25.07 | chris__ | Shift TAB doesn't seem to want to work from my console (using Perl curses based widgets). It works okay if I run from an Xterm. |
| 09:25.08 | nanok | Twist: man mv |
| 09:25.10 | nanok | Twist: -reply={yes,no,query} |
| 09:25.11 | nanok | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.23 | jim | Twist: of course you have to read |
| 09:25.29 | Twist | nanok: thanks |
| 09:25.31 | joel | Twist: by default it should overwrite without prompting I think |
| 09:25.42 | Twist | jim: I cant read ;P |
| 09:25.54 | jim | Twist: then why are you typing here? |
| 09:25.56 | jim | :P |
| 09:25.57 | nanok | Twist: i didnt know it either, i just ran man mv, you know... |
| 09:26.01 | Twist | joel: haha I dont WANT it to replace ;) |
| 09:26.18 | CosmoDad | jim: you're not getting your hostname via DHCP do you? |
| 09:26.23 | jim | no |
| 09:26.24 | Twist | jim: using a dictionary... have to look up every work.. thats why it's so slow ;) |
| 09:26.35 | joel | Twist: then RTFM |
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| 09:26.44 | joel | cause I won't read it for you |
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| 09:27.00 | Twist | joel: yeah... ur 30 minutes too late buddy... question was already answered ;) |
| 09:27.01 | greyson | Twist: Using dictionary... can't read... does not compute! |
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| 09:27.21 | jim | Twist: once you know all your words, then you'll need to gain the skill of reading man pages... |
| 09:27.33 | Twist | greyson: I had to give a reason why I'm not reading manual... doesnt man a difference if it makes sense or not |
| 09:27.38 | prplstarlette | liable: root will log into kde...but not user |
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| 09:28.08 | jim | look at what nanok did for you... he not only read it for you, but he posted it to you in little bite-sized chunks... |
| 09:28.14 | Twist | jim: those things are soo boring ;( |
| 09:28.16 | greyson | Twist: Ah, well, there's no reason not to... and people usually frown on it if you're taking up their time for something you can find out easily on your own. |
| 09:28.20 | jim | oh, but do you havef your teeth yet? |
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| 09:28.34 | liable | prplstarlette: ok, try removing all .gnome shit in /home, I am at a bit of a loss here. |
| 09:28.36 | nanok | Twist: i honestly dont care about why you are not reading it. i answered your question, and read man for you. however, if you want to be any use to yourself in the future, you should rememebr next time to _read_ the man before asking |
| 09:28.39 | jim | Twist: *shrug* whatever :) I can't help that |
| 09:28.41 | antgel | chris__: hmm, that's a _very_ interesting question. i'd be interested to know what the answer is as well |
| 09:28.43 | greyson | jim: teef! it's teef! |
| 09:28.47 | nanok | Twist: for your own sake.. |
| 09:29.12 | Twist | I know I know... |
| 09:29.14 | Twist | brb |
| 09:29.17 | liable | prplstarlette: I am not all that clued up with x stuff. |
| 09:29.38 | jim | I'm personally tired of trying to convince people they need to learn to read... let him come up against stuff and learn that himself |
| 09:30.06 | jm_ | indeed |
| 09:30.21 | prplstarlette | ok for unloading gnome...i still ahve a bunch of gnome still installed |
| 09:30.39 | jim | <j> you should read it <T> I don't wanna! <j> ok |
| 09:30.49 | nanok | jim: it doesnt occur to some ppl to use man.. if your not used to linux it's no wonder.. |
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| 09:30.59 | asker | how can i extract ".gz" files ? |
| 09:31.01 | asker | only .gz |
| 09:31.03 | liable | prplstarlette: ok, try this 'apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common' |
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| 09:31.08 | nanok | that is why i slapped his wrist a bit :) not to make him feel bad |
| 09:31.12 | dondelelcaro | asker: with gzip -d |
| 09:31.13 | jim | asker: man gzip |
| 09:31.22 | nanok | if he learns something from it, it will serve him later.. |
| 09:31.33 | nanok | if not.. not my problem.. sorry |
| 09:31.34 | nanok | ;) |
| 09:31.34 | dondelelcaro | !tell asker -about debian reference |
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| 09:31.40 | nanok | aka SEP :) |
| 09:31.47 | dondelelcaro | asker: time to start reading some introductory documentation |
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| 09:31.50 | nanok | somebody else's problem |
| 09:31.58 | jim | exactly... I come to that conclusion earlier tho |
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| 09:32.48 | nanok | jim: yes, i agree, i wasnt trying to make the point again though..just to figure out (for myself, really), why the hell i accepted to read man for him :) |
| 09:32.49 | prplstarlette | ok...figured it out...gnome core was still installed |
| 09:33.24 | jim | nanok: it happens; in that case he took advantage |
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| 09:34.20 | jim | prplstarlette: you might find what happens in your .xsession if you have it, or the global XSession which is |
| 09:34.23 | jim | where... |
| 09:34.25 | jim | hmmm |
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| 09:34.38 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:35.33 | dondelelcaro | prplstarlette: your best bet is to use aptitude and mark everything gnome related as automatically installed, and just make sure the things you actually want installed stay installed. |
| 09:35.57 | prplstarlette | ok i uninstalled gnome core |
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| 09:36.57 | HeavenWarrior | guys take a look at #flood |
| 09:36.59 | HeavenWarrior | i've a strange problem with quake3 |
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| 09:37.01 | HeavenWarrior | i don't wanna what's so big support of debian, so i can't even upgrade cleanly my system |
| 09:37.27 | dondelelcaro | HeavenWarrior: you don't have libGL or libMesaVoodooGL installed. |
| 09:37.35 | dondelelcaro | !find libGL.so |
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| 09:38.00 | liable | where is the pesky file in /home though (or wherever), that is telling gnome to run. ( I wanna know cause i'm fucked if I know) |
| 09:38.13 | dondelelcaro | liable: generally, it's ~/.Xsession or ~/.Xinit |
| 09:38.14 | liable | ermm, if that last bit makes sense :P |
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| 09:38.26 | dondelelcaro | (or the lower case version of the same) |
| 09:38.29 | jim | oh, it's actually in /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 09:38.38 | jim | that's the exact filename |
| 09:38.47 | dondelelcaro | jim: yeah, that'll just run whatever the x-window-manager is... |
| 09:39.04 | HeavenWarrior | ok |
| 09:39.14 | HeavenWarrior | i've updated to experimental, from sarge |
| 09:39.21 | dondelelcaro | HeavenWarrior: you don't upgrade to experimental. |
| 09:39.28 | HeavenWarrior | and now it tells me that some dependencies can't be filled |
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| 09:39.30 | jim | HeavenWarrior: you'll be soooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! :) |
| 09:39.35 | CosmoDad | having a line such as "field1 field2 field3" where fieldx is an arbitrary set of characters, each field is seperated by one whitespace, and the number of fields is variable: how'd I get the very last field (scripted)? |
| 09:39.36 | HeavenWarrior | jim, well |
| 09:39.37 | dondelelcaro | liable: if you want something else besides gnome to run, install a window manager, and either add exec windowmanager; to your ~/.Xsession; or update-alternatives --config x-window-manger; |
| 09:39.40 | liable | dondelelcaro: I have kde, gnome, wmaker, xfce all installed, and I dont have either of those files. |
| 09:39.46 | HeavenWarrior | in fedora i Can upgrade without causing problems |
| 09:39.52 | HeavenWarrior | in debian when i'm upgrade |
| 09:39.57 | Gnea | liable: that'd be ~/.xsession (note lowercase) |
| 09:39.58 | dondelelcaro | liable: it doesn't create them |
| 09:40.00 | HeavenWarrior | there are so much dependencies |
| 09:40.06 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: it can actually be ~/.Xsession too... |
| 09:40.11 | Gnea | liable: should be an executable shell script |
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| 09:40.19 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: there's no difference? |
| 09:40.19 | jim | well ok, fedora seems to work... use that |
| 09:40.24 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: nope |
| 09:40.29 | Gnea | cool |
| 09:41.07 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: .xsession takes precedence, but .Xsession is valid |
| 09:41.16 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 09:41.24 | jim | but experimental, not even developers use that on a blanket bases |
| 09:41.31 | liable | prplstarlette: do you have a .xsession file in /home?? |
| 09:41.32 | jim | basis |
| 09:41.36 | prplstarlette | let me check |
| 09:41.41 | dondelelcaro | (the former is USERXSESSION the latter is ALTUSERXSESSION) |
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| 09:43.27 | prplstarlette | nope only .Xauthority and .xsession-errors |
| 09:44.04 | empty | hey all, I want to make a VFAT loopback file, how do I create and format it? |
| 09:44.19 | dondelelcaro | prplstarlette: yeah, you can have whatever WM you want to start start by doing: echo "exec /usr/bin/windowmanager" >> ~/.Xsession; |
| 09:44.38 | liable | dondelelcaro: what else could cause gnome to run for a user, with no .xsession file? |
| 09:44.48 | nanok | empty: dd + mkfs.vfat?.. |
| 09:44.51 | liable | dondelelcaro: without a .xsession |
| 09:45.01 | dondelelcaro | liable: the fact that metacity or gnome or whatever is set as the highest priority x-window-manger |
| 09:45.25 | liable | dondelelcaro: he's done update-alternatives, anything else? |
| 09:45.32 | prplstarlette | well i removed the gnome core |
| 09:45.42 | prplstarlette | and please stop calling me a he |
| 09:45.50 | dondelelcaro | liable: no, not just update-alternatives. update-alternatives --config x-window-manager; |
| 09:45.51 | liable | sorry |
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| 09:46.26 | empty | nanok, oh did not realize mkfs could write to a file though come to think of it I guess that's all it *does* do ;) |
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| 09:46.42 | nanok | prplstarlette: and where is all that about all equal and equal treatment and all..? :P |
| 09:47.11 | liable | dondelelcaro: sorry, I am trying to help prplstarlette, but cant understand why gnome keeps running. |
| 09:47.27 | dondelelcaro | nanok: doesn't really have anything to do with that. It's often insulting to be refered to as something that you aren't. |
| 09:47.30 | nanok | empty: i think it should work, havent done that in a while though.. you should try i guess |
| 09:47.37 | jim | problem there... is that 90% of everyone on the internet is male... and 99.99999999% of all internet users who use a female name are actually male... if that's not true for you, sorry... but those are pretty much the facts |
| 09:47.43 | empty | nanok, it did thanks |
| 09:47.47 | liable | dondelelcaro: and now *i* want to know whats going on. |
| 09:47.47 | prplstarlette | donde...i can get KDE to run for root...but my user account keeps running gnome |
| 09:47.48 | nanok | dondelelcaro: i know, it was just a joke..a bit of ranting maybe :) |
| 09:47.59 | dondelelcaro | jim: that doesn't matter. better not to use gendered pronouns when in doubt |
| 09:48.00 | prplstarlette | i just removed gnome-core so mayb ethat might help? |
| 09:48.01 | liable | dondelelcaro: cause I am at a loss. |
| 09:48.09 | jim | prplstarlette: try this... |
| 09:48.11 | jim | cd |
| 09:48.28 | dondelelcaro | prplstarlette: ok, how do you start X for this user? |
| 09:48.39 | jim | ls -C .[a-zA-Z]* > my-dot-files.txt |
| 09:48.41 | prplstarlette | by booting up... |
| 09:48.44 | prplstarlette | letting it run |
| 09:48.46 | empty | dondelelcaro, for xample "It rubs the lotion in its skin" |
| 09:48.53 | prplstarlette | if i do startx even from prompt it brings me to gnome |
| 09:49.02 | jim | prplstarlette: then you will have a file my-dot-files.txt |
| 09:49.07 | h3xley | or else it gets the hose again? |
| 09:49.10 | empty | prplstarlette, its in your DM then (login screen) look for Session |
| 09:49.27 | jim | prplstarlette: post that file to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 09:49.32 | dondelelcaro | prplstarlette: ok. startx will run /etc/X11/Xsession; that will by default check for ~/.{X,x}{session,init} |
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| 09:49.41 | nanok | empty: if calling someone an "it" rather than a "he" is more acceptable , then /me is speechless.. |
| 09:49.45 | nanok | :) |
| 09:50.21 | empty | nanok, in that situation I think pronoun choice was the last thing on "it"s list of concerns |
| 09:50.27 | dondelelcaro | prplstarlette: if you run startkde; it will start kde. If you want to run something else, like openbox, echo "exec /usr/bin/openbox" >> ~/.Xsession; (assuming you don't have any ~/.{X,x}{session,init} |
| 09:50.37 | jim | if you -fail- to do this, then you're not supplying requested information |
| 09:51.09 | prplstarlette | ok so echo exec /usr/bin/kde |
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| 09:51.20 | prplstarlette | >> ~/.Xsession |
| 09:51.36 | jim | prplstarlette: no, all lower case |
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| 09:51.53 | jim | and you need to find out what is in your .xsession before you do hta |
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| 09:52.08 | prplstarlette | ok where is .xsession |
| 09:52.16 | jim | prplstarlette: try this... |
| 09:52.16 | dondelelcaro | jim: it doesn't matter |
| 09:52.19 | jim | cd |
| 09:52.23 | jim | ls -C .[a-zA-Z]* > my-dot-files.txt |
| 09:52.29 | jim | prplstarlette: then you will have a file my-dot-files.txt |
| 09:52.33 | dondelelcaro | jim: upper or lower case is both valid. |
| 09:52.35 | jim | prplstarlette: then you will have a file my-dot-files.txt |
| 09:52.37 | dondelelcaro | s/is/are |
| 09:52.39 | jim | prplstarlette: post that file to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 09:52.44 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 09:52.44 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 09:52.45 | nanok | actually, to test: cp ~/.xsession ~/.xsession.old ; echo exec /blah > ~/.xsession |
| 09:52.50 | nanok | (single > ) |
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| 09:53.14 | liable | dondelelcaro: but, why would gnome run by default, where is that/what file? (sorry, trying to work it out, update-alternatives was run, and kwin was chosen) |
| 09:53.46 | jim | prplstarlette: it would HELP us to help YOU if you supply this (and any other you think relevent) information |
| 09:53.47 | dondelelcaro | liable: because that's what is set as the default x-window-manager or default x-desktop-environment. By default, startx runs /etc/X11/Xsession; |
| 09:54.10 | karsten | dondelelcaro: rafb? Not RAFC? |
| 09:54.15 | liable | dondelelcaro: ok reading the script. |
| 09:54.28 | dondelelcaro | karsten: the paste site |
| 09:54.28 | jim | try the site |
| 09:54.43 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Ah. I'm thinking some mainframe facility. |
| 09:54.59 | dondelelcaro | haven't played with rafc |
| 09:55.07 | jim | I thought RAFC was Recovering Average Frustrated Chump |
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| 09:57.07 | prplstarlette | ok i found xsession |
| 09:57.17 | prplstarlette | there's xsession and xsession.options |
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| 09:57.43 | CAiRO | if firefox sometimes crashes, how can i find out if and which extension is the cause for that? |
| 09:58.00 | dondelelcaro | CAiRO: enable coredumps, and run gdb on the core |
| 09:58.08 | empty | you know, the tool "wtf" would be VERY handy if the comp DB was much more complete |
| 09:58.27 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...and it's "RACF", my bad. |
| 09:58.28 | Hobart | http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/ has the driver I want, yet I can't figure out the incantation for sources.list to let me grab it |
| 09:58.29 | ColonelKernel | java apps dont seem to crunch my CPU anymore |
| 09:58.31 | dondelelcaro | CAiRO: you'll have better luck if you build a firefox that isn't stripped |
| 09:58.32 | nanok | CAiRO: hm... i like firefox, but unfortunatelly.. it might not be an extensions fault... :( |
| 09:58.33 | ColonelKernel | thats pleassant |
| 09:58.34 | Hobart | (trying to get dri-mach64 ) |
| 09:58.40 | dondelelcaro | karsten: heh. haven't played with that either |
| 09:59.05 | karsten | dondelelcaro: That's two of us. I've got some MVS experience, but try to avoid it if possible. |
| 09:59.06 | CAiRO | dondelelcaro: ok, i see, so i should build it myself, thanks for the hint |
| 09:59.16 | karsten | http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/racf/racfhist.html |
| 09:59.24 | karsten | "IBM RACF: The History of RACF" |
| 10:00.10 | Hobart | deb http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-mach64-sid/ sid main doesn't work |
| 10:00.15 | CAiRO | nanok: i was hoping it's the fault of one of my many extensions.. but it's true, over here, firefox crashes more often lately without having installed more extensions |
| 10:00.19 | dondelelcaro | CAiRO: yes. It's pretty simple. apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; apt-get builddep mozilla-firefox; apt-get source mozilla-firefox; cd mozilla-firefox*; DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" CFLAGS="-O0 -g" CXXFLAGS="-O0 -g" fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 10:00.30 | dondelelcaro | CAiRO: then install the resulting .deb |
| 10:00.37 | CAiRO | ok, thanks agai |
| 10:00.37 | jim | prplstarlette: please pay attention to upper/lower case... also where did you find those files? you really should pay attention to details... otherwise this (thru lack of information) is going to go boringly and tediously slow |
| 10:00.37 | CAiRO | n |
| 10:00.55 | liable | karsten: have you got like a thousand usefull links, and just grep the one you want? You seem to have one for all occasions. :P |
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| 10:01.07 | karsten | liable: http://www.google.com/ |
| 10:01.23 | Jh0nes | hello |
| 10:01.23 | liable | karsten: you seem to quick at it though. |
| 10:01.28 | dondelelcaro | "I'm feeling lucky" tonight |
| 10:01.36 | liable | hmmm |
| 10:01.40 | karsten | liable: ...though for a lot of the Debian related ones, it's stuff I've written and can find with some keyword + my name combination. |
| 10:01.49 | prplstarlette | i found them in /etc/X11 |
| 10:01.50 | karsten | liable: Too much practice. |
| 10:01.51 | liable | right |
| 10:02.00 | dondelelcaro | liable: most of us can search google just by typing 'gg foo set of search requests'; and we search google thousands of times a day |
| 10:02.04 | queuetue | I have an unmanaged hosting provider I really like, from a hardware service and price perspective, but the only machines they offer preinstalled are RHEL and Windows. Has anyone done a remote migration/reload from a running RHEL box to debian? Is the process documented? |
| 10:02.15 | karsten | liable: One of my college activities was using the (then) cutting-edge online library catalog, mid/late 1980s. |
| 10:03.00 | liable | ok, guess I dont have google-foo like you guys :P |
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| 10:03.44 | karsten | liable: The experience taught me both how to construct likely keywords and how to cut through a lot of results. Though admittedly Google makes the last pretty easy. |
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| 10:04.02 | prplstarlette | ok i've got it fixed |
| 10:04.15 | jim | prplstarlette: ok, those files have a capital X at their start (why would this make a difference, you ask? because unix/linux thinks there's a difference between upper and lower case in file names) |
| 10:04.15 | prplstarlette | i hadn't rebooted since i got kdm installed and working |
| 10:04.32 | liable | karsten: yeah, its funny how you can spend an hour or a minute with the right keywords. |
| 10:04.48 | liable | well, not really funny |
| 10:05.16 | pinko | I wonder if MSR support is a good thing to set in the kernel |
| 10:05.47 | paulswm | liable: http://bash.org/?514353 |
| 10:05.47 | pinko | any opinions on that? |
| 10:06.11 | liable | paulswm: should I :D |
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| 10:06.29 | Hobart | deb http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-mach64-sid/ dri-mach64-sid main worked, if you guys happen to see that question again |
| 10:06.31 | paulswm | liable: Just re your comments on google, not that funny really |
| 10:07.14 | liable | paulswm: haha, though, guess you have to search for tommy. :P |
| 10:07.35 | nanok | liable: it depends on which side you find yourself.. ;) |
| 10:07.38 | paulswm | liable: Indeed! |
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| 10:07.54 | rmrfchik | hi |
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| 10:08.07 | rmrfchik | please, help me with usbnet |
| 10:08.26 | jim | rmrfchik: this is a usb thingy? |
| 10:08.30 | rmrfchik | I do "modprobe usbnet", but "ifconfig -a" doesn't show usb0 |
| 10:08.45 | rmrfchik | jim: I'm trying to link Zaurus and Debian via usb |
| 10:08.45 | liable | paulswm: hi btw. |
| 10:08.46 | jim | what does ifconfig usb0 say? |
| 10:08.55 | rmrfchik | ifconfig usb0 |
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| 10:08.56 | rmrfchik | usb0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 10:08.58 | paulswm | liable: Hi, happy Friday :) |
| 10:09.04 | liable | weeeee |
| 10:09.11 | jim | ok, so it couldn't find the device... |
| 10:09.28 | rmrfchik | i have standard kernel 2.6.11 |
| 10:09.33 | jim | the next thing to do is watch the logs while you plug and unplug the device |
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| 10:10.05 | CAiRO | what do i do if apt-get build-deps says 'E: Build-dependencies for mozilla-firefox could not be satisfied.'? |
| 10:10.09 | rmrfchik | jim: ifconfig usb0 |
| 10:10.10 | rmrfchik | usb0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 10:10.16 | rmrfchik | oops |
| 10:10.17 | Jh0nes | register jv0501 |
| 10:10.20 | rmrfchik | usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 17 |
| 10:10.47 | jim | rmrfchik: that seems promising |
| 10:10.58 | CAiRO | and i'm pretty sure my sources.list is ok |
| 10:11.42 | jim | Jh0nes: bet you'll never do that again :P |
| 10:11.48 | rmrfchik | jim: what can i do? |
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| 10:12.29 | jim | rmrfchik: hmm... got an ethernet hub? :) |
| 10:12.55 | rmrfchik | jim: nope ;) |
| 10:13.00 | jim | awww |
| 10:13.00 | ColonelKernel | using cedega to try out bf1942 on debian |
| 10:13.11 | rmrfchik | jim: how hub can help? |
| 10:13.41 | ColonelKernel | now if I could only get webcam to work with my pal's netmeeting setup |
| 10:13.56 | jim | well, maybe you can use ethernet instead of usb |
| 10:13.58 | ColonelKernel | it works great over the LAN |
| 10:14.02 | liable | is update-alternatives purely a debian thing? |
| 10:14.04 | CAiRO | hmm, apt-get build-dep mozilla works without problems, but apt-get build-dep mozilla-firefox creates an error.. does that mean the mozilla-firefox package has a bug? |
| 10:14.06 | nanok | CAiRO: including an entry for sources? i.e. not ^deb |
| 10:14.07 | dondelelcaro | liable: yes. |
| 10:14.12 | ColonelKernel | not so good up to northern california |
| 10:14.25 | jim | liable: concept is probably not unique |
| 10:14.25 | rmrfchik | jim: zaurus hasn't ethernet |
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| 10:14.28 | dondelelcaro | CAiRO: uh, what is the error? |
| 10:14.34 | Jh0nes | hello Guys!! I'm looking for a good tutorial to set up PHP5 in my Debian, I've found somes but all of them just make reference to RPM based systems! |
| 10:14.42 | CAiRO | e-: Build-dependencies for mozilla-firefox could not be satisfied. |
| 10:14.45 | vi | what's the standard procedure to do woody->sarge ? usual apt-get update & upgrade upgraded only some packages and the rest (124 packages) is kept back, why ? |
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| 10:15.04 | dondelelcaro | Jh0nes: php5 hasn't been packaged yet. Best to wait. |
| 10:15.14 | CAiRO | that's what it says.. and i've run apt-get update before |
| 10:15.15 | jim | Jh0nes: looks like you'll have to build from source unless you can find a php5 debian package |
| 10:15.18 | dondelelcaro | vi: the standard procedure is to read the release notes, and follow them. |
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| 10:15.38 | jim | rmrfchik: what's a zaurus btw? |
| 10:15.49 | jim | !info php5 |
| 10:15.51 | dondelelcaro | http://people.debian.org/~dexter/dists/php5/sid/binary-i386/ has some, but we don't support them |
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| 10:16.02 | jim | Package 'php5' does not exist. |
| 10:16.10 | jim | so... get the source and build |
| 10:16.18 | vi | dondelelcaro: alright, thanks. |
| 10:16.33 | Jh0nes | humm!!!! |
| 10:16.56 | jim | or stick with php4... |
| 10:17.07 | Jh0nes | do u think i should use a Slack based system? or it will work well in my Debian!!! |
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| 10:17.10 | jim | now that I said that, you can't say I didn't give you a choice :) |
| 10:17.30 | jim | Jh0nes: the compilers are probably the most stable in debian |
| 10:17.45 | jayparadise | how large are the 2 debian dvds? |
| 10:17.46 | Jh0nes | well, maybe i can use php4! |
| 10:17.48 | dondelelcaro | Jh0nes: what does that have to do with us? Use whatever you want. |
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| 10:17.54 | dondelelcaro | jayparadise: there are three. |
| 10:18.00 | jayparadise | 3? |
| 10:18.13 | jim | give it a shot... meanwhile you can still try to build php5 |
| 10:18.36 | dondelelcaro | jayparadise: err, no, sorry. Only two. They're probably full up. |
| 10:18.41 | jim | but about slack-based systems... you should run anything you want |
| 10:18.44 | jayparadise | this one is only 1100mb |
| 10:18.44 | dondelelcaro | Jh0nes: if you want php5, see http://people.debian.org/~dexter/ |
| 10:18.52 | jayparadise | i think it should be bigger |
| 10:18.54 | Jh0nes | dondelelclaro: cheers! i was just asking !! |
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| 10:19.20 | dondelelcaro | jayparadise: check the md5sum |
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| 10:19.38 | dondelelcaro | jayparadise: they should match http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/jigdo-dvd/MD5SUMS |
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| 10:19.46 | Juntun | hi |
| 10:19.55 | jim | nothing an NO one should tell you what to run or not run... but you won't get a comparison between debian and anything; you'd have to compare yourself |
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| 10:20.45 | Juntun | I use sysvconfig to determine which services should start at boot, but how about reboot/shutdown init scripts, how to configure them |
| 10:20.50 | eason | jim: You should run debian. |
| 10:21.02 | jim | I already do :P |
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| 10:21.18 | dondelelcaro | Juntun: generally you want to stop everything. The defaults typically are ok. |
| 10:21.22 | jim | but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to |
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| 10:21.49 | liable | eason: no, if everyone in the world...... blah, you know the story. :P |
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| 10:22.11 | Juntun | dondelecaro: true, but I have a program that I removed, and i still see it at shutdown flushing !! |
| 10:22.21 | Juntun | I wana edit that |
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| 10:22.30 | dondelelcaro | Juntun: purge the package |
| 10:22.34 | eason | jim: If you don't use debian, I'm going to hunt you down. |
| 10:22.38 | jim | Jh0nes: but the other part of that, (obvious part) is you won't have this particular place to ask |
| 10:22.41 | ColonelKernel | cedega installs on DC kicks ass |
| 10:22.42 | Juntun | i will try this |
| 10:22.47 | ColonelKernel | hope it runs as well as it installs |
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| 10:23.02 | liable | debian nazi's...... |
| 10:23.08 | dondelelcaro | ? |
| 10:23.11 | Juntun | so purge should delete all the config, text files generated by the prog ? |
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| 10:23.24 | jim | debianna? |
| 10:23.26 | ColonelKernel | liable, ? |
| 10:23.26 | dondelelcaro | Juntun: yes. man apt-get; and read about --purge; [or man dpkg and do the same] |
| 10:23.28 | liable | err, that wasnt thought out properly |
| 10:23.37 | Juntun | ok thanx |
| 10:23.39 | liable | ColonelKernel: reffering to eason |
| 10:23.39 | Juntun | will do now |
| 10:24.12 | ColonelKernel | understoof |
| 10:24.23 | liable | I retract that statement, and apologise for it. |
| 10:24.30 | Jh0nes | thats all right!! i've found some sources now it will run!! |
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| 10:25.29 | jim | well eason was being a little strange |
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| 10:25.49 | ColonelKernel | liable, no biggie |
| 10:25.59 | jim | Jh0nes: php4? 5? |
| 10:26.36 | ptlis | Any ideas to why grip would say oggenc is an invalid encoder yet when I test it myself it works fine? |
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| 10:27.01 | Juntun | is synaptic just a gui for apt ? |
| 10:27.26 | jim | ptlis: grip? grep? grok? |
| 10:27.36 | Delph | Juntun: it has slightly different behaviour than apt-get wrt Reccomended and Suggested things, i think. |
| 10:27.44 | nanok | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.51 | Maulkin | Juntun: synamptic is a GUI for dpkg |
| 10:27.52 | nanok | jim: as in jack |
| 10:27.53 | Delph | or was that aptitiude. |
| 10:27.53 | nanok | :P |
| 10:27.57 | nanok | grip |
| 10:28.02 | nanok | s/grep/grip |
| 10:28.04 | nanok | sorry |
| 10:28.23 | Juntun | i kinda liked apt, so if synaptic uses apt as an engine, then i will be comfgortable, apt is intelligent |
| 10:28.25 | ptlis | jim: Grip, it's a GTK frontend for cdparanioa/oggenc/etc |
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| 10:28.56 | jim | rmrfchik: heya speedy :) what's a zaurus? |
| 10:29.06 | Maulkin | Juntun: Dunno, I just use apt :) |
| 10:29.14 | nanok | ptlis: if using kde, you can use the built in i/o slaves.. |
| 10:29.24 | Juntun | wait let me man synaptic |
| 10:29.25 | Maulkin | Juntun: if ti doesn't have to be a GUI, have a look at aptitude too |
| 10:29.28 | joel | Juntun: use aptitude |
| 10:29.29 | ptlis | nanok: Thanks but I use Gnome. |
| 10:29.32 | rmrfchik | jim: 860... |
| 10:29.44 | jimi_ | could someone help me with this error i am recieving when i try to "modprobe ipw2100" -> this is the error: http://pastebin.com/303368 |
| 10:29.47 | nanok | ptlis: np, just a thought.. |
| 10:29.49 | rmrfchik | jim: i think I got it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=313534 |
| 10:29.49 | ColonelKernel | yeah grip is nice |
| 10:29.49 | Juntun | Synaptic is a frontend for the apt package managent system. It allows |
| 10:29.50 | Juntun | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.51 | Juntun | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.59 | Juntun | hmm great. |
| 10:30.02 | rmrfchik | jim: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12086 |
| 10:30.09 | hyperion | hi all. i'm not able to see any applet on firefox. i've tried to install with 'apt-get install sun-j2re1.5' but it doesn't work... any idea? |
| 10:30.24 | rmrfchik | lucky me... I have exactly broken kernel... |
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| 10:30.30 | Maulkin | hyperion: What doesn't work? |
| 10:30.36 | jim | rmrfchik: so you need .12? |
| 10:30.50 | hyperion | Maulkin: i can't see any applet |
| 10:31.07 | hyperion | Maulkin no applet works... |
| 10:31.17 | Maulkin | hyperion: "i've tried to install with 'apt-get install sun-j2re1.5' but it doesn't work..." |
| 10:31.19 | rmrfchik | jim: i think so |
| 10:31.27 | Maulkin | What do you mean by "doesn't work"? |
| 10:31.28 | rmrfchik | jim: a kernel late 12rc5 |
| 10:31.40 | Juntun | ok for a newbie loaded with basic questions about linux, what is the recommended room?.. forsure it is #linux, my qsÅ› are not regarding kernel |
| 10:31.55 | jim | rmrfchik: is there a kernel-image package for it or will you build? |
| 10:32.04 | hyperion | Maulkin i meant the installation worked fine. but i can't see any applet on firefox |
| 10:32.16 | jimi_ | why would i recieve an error "Invalid module format" when i try to modprobe wireless? |
| 10:32.17 | hyperion | Maulkin sorry for the description |
| 10:32.22 | Juntun | * for sure it is NOT #linux .. sorry |
| 10:32.34 | Maulkin | !tell hyperion about firefox java |
| 10:33.02 | h3xley | or not |
| 10:33.03 | Juntun | !tell juntun about linux |
| 10:33.12 | rmrfchik | jim: don't know yet what I will do. btw, there is no 12 in debian yet. |
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| 10:33.32 | h3xley | !tell #debian about the lord jesus christ and have you invited him into your life yet? |
| 10:34.00 | Juntun | not everyone here christians!! |
| 10:34.09 | h3xley | nor am I |
| 10:34.14 | Juntun | so? |
| 10:34.15 | h3xley | I'm going straight to hell. |
| 10:34.24 | h3xley | do not pass go, do not collect $200. |
| 10:34.27 | Maulkin | !tell Juntun about sarcasm |
| 10:34.32 | Maulkin | :) |
| 10:34.35 | jim | rmrfchik: so then your choices is to build generically, or let the make-kpkg script build generically and collect all results into a .deb package |
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| 10:34.59 | rmrfchik | jim: I think I will make-kpgk it |
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| 10:35.27 | hyperion | Maulkin what is <mozilla-java-bis>? |
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| 10:35.55 | Maulkin | hyperion: ask dpkg |
| 10:36.25 | jim | rmrfchik: ok... I may be able to help you with that... going to store right now... see, you can use the config file you have for your 2.6.11, make it suitable for the .12, back it up then build |
| 10:36.55 | hyperion | Maulkin: you should have to pardon me. it's the first time i'm coming here. i don't know what do you mean about asking dpkg. |
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| 10:37.25 | Maulkin | hyperion: use "/msg dpkg help" and then "/msg dpkg mozilla-java-bis" :) |
| 10:37.28 | slept | does anyone know which states of canada are french-speaking ? |
| 10:37.39 | hyperion | Maulkin many thanks :) |
| 10:37.53 | jim | slept: the united states of canada of course! |
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| 10:38.12 | Juntun | ok a qs plz : I like my box as it is now, after all what ie installed of packages.. now how could I have the system as it is saved on a Cd, to restore it or install on another pc ? |
| 10:38.15 | rmrfchik | jim: is it enough to cp /boot/config /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.12? |
| 10:38.16 | jim | nonono, they're called provinces... and quebec is the french one |
| 10:38.33 | jm_ | Juntun: apt-cache search backup cd |
| 10:38.34 | jim | rmrfchik: that's part of it yes... |
| 10:38.52 | Juntun | backup ? |
| 10:38.53 | Maulkin | jim: nice list at www.justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 10:38.55 | jim | but there is somthing to do before and another thint after |
| 10:39.00 | raf256 | how can I turn off mother fucking autostart for CDs and other devices? I dont want no freaking Create-New-Cd or Dowload-Image-From-Camera? to start automaticly |
| 10:39.03 | Juntun | i thought backup is only for my home dir |
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| 10:39.16 | jm_ | you thought wrong |
| 10:39.22 | rmrfchik | jim: make menuconfig ;) |
| 10:39.23 | rmrfchik | ? |
| 10:39.32 | Juntun | good |
| 10:39.51 | jim | rmrfchik: well sure, you do that after all that and before the build if you want to select other stuff... |
| 10:39.59 | jim | but there's still other stuff ;) |
| 10:40.13 | hyperion | slept: quebec |
| 10:40.17 | jim | give me half n hour |
| 10:40.18 | rmrfchik | I give up! what stuff? |
| 10:40.26 | jim | I'll tell ya later :) |
| 10:40.26 | rmrfchik | jim: mkay |
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| 10:40.57 | Juntun | me? |
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| 10:41.15 | Juntun | i found cdbackup |
| 10:41.29 | Juntun | cdbackup - CD-R(W) backup utility |
| 10:41.31 | Maulkin | jim: soz, wrong target |
| 10:41.37 | jm_ | that's not the only one |
| 10:41.59 | jim | don't worry, it bounced off :P |
| 10:42.02 | Maulkin | slept: HAve a look at http://tinyurl.com/22c6t |
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| 10:43.53 | slept | Maulkin, nice one I googled but only found things about language act and so on , I tought I might find some canadians in here who could tell |
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| 10:45.38 | hyperion | slept: quebec is canadian french-speaking region |
| 10:45.45 | slept | thanks |
| 10:45.59 | hyperion | slept: nothing :) |
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| 10:50.45 | tombs | does somebody here knows how to change the settings from firefox? I *lost* my settings(bookmarks for exemple) |
| 10:51.04 | Maulkin | tombs: have a look in ~/.firefox |
| 10:52.18 | tombs | Maulkin, I already tried in ~/.mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini and nothing changed :( |
| 10:52.20 | jm_ | tomb0y: check if there's bookmarks.bak file |
| 10:52.52 | jm_ | tombs ^^^ |
| 10:53.14 | paulswm | tombs: did you check the firefox help and the firefox web site already? |
| 10:53.30 | tombs | paulswm, nop |
| 10:54.01 | paulswm | tombs: So maybe it's a good idea to do a bit of research first ;) |
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| 10:55.38 | paulswm | revolutionary idea, I know. |
| 10:55.50 | tombs | paulswm, I just tryed to change something on my machine, ok, I undertand you point of view :) |
| 10:56.05 | tombs | I'll search |
| 10:56.25 | paulswm | tombs: There is also a #firefox channel |
| 10:56.36 | paulswm | tombs: What exactly did you change? |
| 10:57.00 | tombs | paulswm : paulswm (unknown@103.99.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com) has left #firefox ("I didn't do it. It was like that when I got here.") |
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| 10:57.37 | paulswm | tombs: ?? I only /joined #firefix to check that it was there and active |
| 10:57.37 | tombs | paulswm, I change something there: ~/.mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini |
| 10:57.48 | tombs | I'm already there |
| 10:57.53 | tombs | :) |
| 10:57.55 | hyperion | Maulkin: got it!!! i have java running on firefox!! many thanks!! |
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| 10:58.46 | _paul | Why isn't the lastest version of mldonkey in Debian? |
| 10:58.50 | paulswm | off grocery shopping |
| 10:59.29 | tombs | _paul, pattent problems I guess |
| 10:59.47 | _paul | tombs: Bloody pattents |
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| 11:05.47 | dyneuser | what are the instructions for manually configuring a new kernel into a current kernel? |
| 11:06.42 | dn4 | :) |
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| 11:11.17 | _paul | Linux kernel 2.6.12.1 is out now... |
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| 11:13.11 | ods15 | does anyone know where i can find a Debian installer with brltty support? i keep searching and coming up empty... |
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| 11:14.19 | jeffx | ods15: make one :) |
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| 11:14.49 | ods15 | yeah seems that's what i'm gonna do |
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| 11:15.08 | Langly1 | ods15 sup |
| 11:15.18 | ods15 | Langly1: ... |
| 11:15.19 | ods15 | wtf |
| 11:15.25 | ods15 | i thought you use gentoo |
| 11:15.36 | Langly1 | ive got debian as well |
| 11:16.11 | ods15 | whatever |
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| 11:18.05 | ods15 | hmm, can i mount an iso image... hmm |
| 11:18.18 | caphuso | ods15: sure... mount -o loop foo.iso /some/place |
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| 11:18.23 | jim | back... |
| 11:18.24 | Alver | I've just switched back from mandrake to debian; I noticed that kmail uses $HOME/Mail instead of $HOME/.Mail now. Is there a way to change that? I've grepped through the kmail rc files but can't seem to find much. |
| 11:18.40 | ods15 | yup, heh, cool |
| 11:18.46 | ods15 | i think it's read only though.. |
| 11:18.54 | caphuso | ods15: yes, of course |
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| 11:19.00 | ods15 | yup, damn |
| 11:19.03 | caphuso | iso9660 is *always* read-only |
| 11:19.05 | ods15 | ok, what do i do then |
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| 11:19.06 | hever | I want to update my php 4.3.1 to 4.3.2 or higher I added the dotdeb to my sources list but i get still 4.3.1 how could I update to newer packages ? |
| 11:19.08 | hever | is there a chance to tell apt which version it has to choose ? |
| 11:19.17 | jim | Alver: maybe this kmail thing has a config file... or maybe you have to set a build config and rebuild |
| 11:19.25 | ods15 | "isodump"? |
| 11:19.56 | caphuso | ods15: mount, copy data on read-write filesystem, change data, mkisofs |
| 11:20.09 | ods15 | ah. will it be bootable? |
| 11:20.20 | caphuso | ods15: depends on your mkisofs options |
| 11:20.25 | _paul | caphuso: What about growisofs? |
| 11:20.25 | ods15 | ok |
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| 11:20.39 | caphuso | _paul: what about it? |
| 11:20.56 | _paul | Can you use it to change an iso image? |
| 11:21.21 | caphuso | _paul: to the extent iso9660 allows, i.e. appending new stuff |
| 11:21.58 | michael | In the debian installation, when you use tasksel, you can choose desktop environment. And then kde and gnome will be installed. Is there no way to be more specific on what to install, i mean, to choose to install kde but not gnome, without using the manual package selection? |
| 11:22.00 | jim | hever: if you're using stable, it's going to stay -stable-... meaning no version upgrades and no new features |
| 11:22.13 | caphuso | interesting sidenote: that's why it is called "growisofs" |
| 11:22.18 | linlin_ | hi i have a few questions about editing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:22.25 | ods15 | hmm, what now... |
| 11:22.26 | hever | jim, im not using stable |
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| 11:22.40 | linlin_ | im following a tutorial and it tells me to add lines like this to my interfaces file (with different values) |
| 11:22.41 | linlin_ | http://pastebin.com/303381 |
| 11:22.56 | _paul | caphuso: It could have been call appendisofs... |
| 11:22.57 | jim | and the version you want isn't available? you have two choices, wait or build |
| 11:23.02 | linlin_ | im unsure about hte "network" option and the "broadcast" option |
| 11:23.52 | linlin_ | what should i use? |
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| 11:24.09 | hever | jim my sources line looks like "deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./" must I tell it to use testing ? |
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| 11:24.46 | ircdevil | how do i convert a png image to hight 24.5 cm maintaining the xy ratio ? |
| 11:25.08 | streuner | linlin_: 192.168.1.1 is usually the IP for routers |
| 11:25.10 | petemc | ircdevil: convert from imagemagick would work, or gimp |
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| 11:25.27 | linlin_ | i know that |
| 11:25.41 | linlin_ | mine is actually 192.168.0.1, but that goes for gateway |
| 11:26.06 | streuner | linlin_: well, what does 'route -n' say about your router/gateway? |
| 11:26.26 | hever | ahh i got it ther must a sarge and all after it and now it works, thanks |
| 11:26.28 | ircdevil | petemc: i dont see convert working with units other than pixels |
| 11:26.40 | linlin_ | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 11:26.40 | linlin_ | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 11:26.40 | linlin_ | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 11:26.40 | caphuso | ircdevil: uhm |
| 11:26.42 | streuner | linlin_: it would be 'gateway 192.168.0.1' tehn |
| 11:26.53 | streuner | s/tehn/then |
| 11:27.00 | linlin_ | if you read my question the gateway isnt the problem |
| 11:27.02 | caphuso | ircdevil: that's because your basic assumptions are wrong. you have to work with pixels |
| 11:27.08 | jim | hever: that's the only sources you have? no wonder you're not getting packages... |
| 11:27.16 | linlin_ | im looking for broadcast and network |
| 11:27.29 | caphuso | ircdevil: the size in cm depends on the DPI of whatever output device you are using |
| 11:27.29 | hever | jim I got packages but not the newest |
| 11:27.44 | ods15 | aha, initrd.gz - that's what i want? |
| 11:27.52 | hever | it think it was woody packages |
| 11:27.53 | jim | that source line is the second form of deb line (man 5 sources.list to see both forms) |
| 11:27.54 | petemc | linlin_: if you're using a netmask of 255.255.255.0 , your network is 192.168.0.0 and broadcast is 192.168.0.255 |
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| 11:28.11 | ods15 | problem is i can't test any of this.. bleh |
| 11:28.12 | michael | kde is a meta package, right? so it will install a lot of kde components, is that right? |
| 11:28.25 | caphuso | michael: yes |
| 11:28.31 | linlin_ | can you tell me what the term "network" means, ive never heard it before |
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| 11:28.43 | jim | try: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge nain contrib non-free |
| 11:28.45 | streuner | linlin_: read /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 11:28.45 | michael | ok, will it work the other way, will it remove the other packages if i uninstall kde ? |
| 11:28.56 | caphuso | michael: depends |
| 11:28.58 | jim | also.... |
| 11:29.04 | streuner | linlin_: do you use DHCP? |
| 11:29.05 | jim | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 11:29.10 | jim | show that |
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| 11:29.26 | caphuso | michael: if you use aptitude to install and deinstall, it will. if you used anything else, it won't |
| 11:29.35 | hever | Whow, now I'm not using 4.3.10 now I've PHP Version 4.3.11 installed |
| 11:29.38 | dn4 | how do I find out the kernel of different os'ss/ |
| 11:29.42 | dn4 | whre in the systemfiles? |
| 11:29.43 | hever | 0.1 higher |
| 11:29.46 | dn4 | filesystem? |
| 11:29.55 | michael | caphuso: so, apt-get install kde, and then apt-get remove kde wont work? |
| 11:29.59 | jim | rmrfchik, day after day... head in the cloud... chik of a thousand faces talking perfectly loud... |
| 11:30.18 | caphuso | michael: it will work. it just won't do what you like to achieve |
| 11:30.19 | rmrfchik | jim: so, what to do after make menuconfig? |
| 11:30.43 | michael | caphuso: yeah, i meant that.. but ok, then i know, thanks |
| 11:31.04 | michael | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:31.48 | jim | what you do -before- you put the config file there... (so at this point back it up before this! cp .config ../my-.config ) then make mrproper |
| 11:31.49 | ods15 | what does set -e do |
| 11:32.01 | jim | seti? |
| 11:32.06 | jim | sete? |
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| 11:32.12 | jim | sortie? |
| 11:32.37 | jim | ods15: to what? what language? |
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| 11:32.44 | ods15 | bash |
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| 11:33.06 | jim | rmrfchik: reason you backed up the .config... is make mrproper does your nick to it :) |
| 11:33.29 | jim | then copy it back, and run make oldconfig |
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| 11:34.04 | jim | answer any questions, usually put m if you can |
| 11:34.38 | jim | when you don't have a choice to make it a module, read the help of it to see what's recommended |
| 11:34.40 | caphuso | ods15: help set |
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| 11:35.12 | jim | once you're done with that, you're probably ready to build (make menuconfig, spot check, make sure of everything) |
| 11:35.24 | jim | then make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 11:35.32 | ods15 | ah, i see |
| 11:35.46 | ods15 | damnit, now i get why my zsh just crashed.. |
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| 11:35.57 | jim | see? now wasn't that worth waiting for? :) |
| 11:36.01 | caphuso | didn't crash |
| 11:36.05 | caphuso | just exited |
| 11:36.12 | Thor- | if I do "ln www.olddomain.bar www.newdomain.bar" changes to a file in one would change files on the other right? and if I at a later stage rm -Rf www.olddoamin.bar the newdomain would keep on working? |
| 11:36.29 | jim | gotta go upstairs for a few |
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| 11:36.38 | caphuso | Thor-: yes and yes |
| 11:37.32 | caphuso | oh, and you don't need "rm -R" to delete a single file |
| 11:37.55 | Thor- | caphuso: grea, thx. www.olddomain.bar is a dir |
| 11:38.00 | caphuso | Thor-: no, it's not |
| 11:38.10 | caphuso | you can't hardlink directories |
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| 11:38.16 | Thor- | oh |
| 11:38.37 | caphuso | it makes your kernel all confused |
| 11:39.05 | Thor- | caphuso: any sugestion on how to achive the same result as I had planed? |
| 11:39.27 | Delph | Thor-: symlinks; but possibly whatever software is accessing these directories to serve them may get confused and not follow them. |
| 11:39.46 | caphuso | Thor-: clone the directory structure and link the individual files? |
| 11:40.20 | Delph | Thor-: make a new directory and setup a cron job to synchronize the two directories every hour? |
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| 11:40.35 | caphuso | of course, using "ln -s old new" will be the easiest way |
| 11:40.36 | honschu | I'm searching a good usb sniffer for win32 systems |
| 11:40.48 | linlin_ | wth is a usb sniffer |
| 11:40.54 | ods15 | 14:40) ods15@linux15:~/brltty-3.6.2 $ ldd Programs/brltty not a dynamic executable |
| 11:40.58 | caphuso | honschu: you're looking in the wrong place |
| 11:41.00 | ods15 | that's good i think |
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| 11:41.12 | honschu | caphuso: I know, but I do not know where to ask else. |
| 11:41.19 | caphuso | honschu: don't do it here |
| 11:41.25 | jim | rmrfchik, so... any questions? any answers? |
| 11:41.28 | Thor- | caphuso: yes. I thought of that but I would like to get reid ogf the old dir when the new site is up and running |
| 11:41.35 | Delph | honschu: http://irc.netsplit.de < - look for any channels with, say, 'windows' in the topic. |
| 11:41.44 | honschu | caphuso: ok |
| 11:41.48 | caphuso | Thor-: mv old new; ln new old |
| 11:41.49 | honschu | Delph: thx |
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| 11:42.39 | Thor- | caphuso: and apache would swallow that when it is running? (only apache accessing these files atm) |
| 11:42.45 | psychopao | i can't get my usb port to work with my camera. any ideas? |
| 11:42.47 | RichiH | !netsplit.de |
| 11:43.07 | rmrfchik | jim: wait. i busy :(( |
| 11:43.09 | caphuso | Thor-: you need a restart anyway, don't you? |
| 11:43.15 | Thor- | thx guys, I have to think this over one more time it seems |
| 11:43.15 | streuner | psychopao: modprobe usb-storage |
| 11:43.17 | RichiH | what is the syntax for parameter one, parameter two with dpkg, again? |
| 11:43.25 | Thor- | caphuso: was planing on a reload :-) |
| 11:43.25 | Morti | How can I redirect stdout to a file and still have it showing on screen? |
| 11:43.27 | RichiH | the bot, not the program |
| 11:43.32 | caphuso | Morti: tee |
| 11:43.36 | streuner | psychopao: if that doesn't work, just use gphoto2 |
| 11:43.38 | jim | I'll bet you are :) |
| 11:43.51 | Morti | caphuso: Ta. :) |
| 11:43.59 | caphuso | to |
| 11:44.03 | Thor- | caphuso: but your right I do need a restart since I'm adding a new virtual host |
| 11:44.04 | psychopao | will try that. |
| 11:44.10 | Thor- | thx, and bye |
| 11:44.33 | resiak | RichiH: cmd: beat (.*?) with a (.*?) =~ s/badger/mushroom/ |
| 11:44.59 | Morti | Next question. How would I remove x number of lines from the beginning of a file as x number of lines are added on the end? |
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| 11:45.17 | amorphix | !NFS |
| 11:45.17 | dpkg | nfs is probably Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 11:45.27 | caphuso | amorphix: /msg the bots, FFS |
| 11:45.32 | amorphix | sorry |
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| 11:46.02 | resiak | Morti: Application of tail ? |
| 11:46.15 | Morti | Oh yeah, that'd do it. |
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| 11:46.20 | jim | pin on donkey |
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| 11:47.13 | belrog | \\\hello |
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| 11:47.28 | Mage\work | ///HI |
| 11:47.29 | RichiH | resiak: is that matching whole strings or letters? if second, that would not work |
| 11:47.33 | gromf | hello everybody ! |
| 11:47.36 | RichiH | s/strings/words/ |
| 11:47.37 | ods15 | ok, any way i can tell exact what params a certain iso was made and recreate such an iso? |
| 11:47.42 | Morti | Rather than editing every command in a script to go through tee, could I put something at the beginning of the script that will redirect all stdout that occurs later to tee? |
| 11:47.45 | resiak | RichiH: What are you trying to do? |
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| 11:47.59 | ods15 | (or, better yet, just tell me how to make a bootable debian installer iso from the directory i have...) |
| 11:48.01 | greyson | ods15: I always use trial and error... or just copy the iso. |
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| 11:48.16 | gromf | Does someone know how to get automatically printer drivers from a samba print server ? |
| 11:48.16 | jim | ods15: not in the most general case, no. you would need the data |
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| 11:49.24 | kal | Hi people! |
| 11:49.28 | airox | Hello! |
| 11:49.29 | belracu | i wish to install Debian on my new 64 AMD any tips |
| 11:49.52 | streuner | belracu: yes, read ig |
| 11:49.52 | ods15 | jim: ok, how do i make a bootable cd out of this debian directory? |
| 11:49.59 | belracu | where can i find best FAQs on AMD 64 |
| 11:50.01 | jim | belracu: one possibility, i386 arch is supposed to work on amd64 |
| 11:50.02 | resiak | !tell belracu about ig |
| 11:50.16 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 11:50.16 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 11:50.17 | RichiH | resiak: !netsplit.de is foo: look at http://irc.netsplit.de and search for a channel with bar |
| 11:50.26 | belracu | resiak, i am aware of that |
| 11:50.42 | jim | ods15, I've been trying to figure that one out |
| 11:50.56 | Delph | RichiH: if you're doing that, then you may as well point straight to the search page. |
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| 11:51.05 | Delph | it's about three clicks in, istr. |
| 11:51.08 | kal | I'm currently make a cd in which there will be : debian sarge netinstall amd64 and debian sarge netinstall x86. Ut's useful to have only one CD for any installation. By the way, there's a cdcheck in the debian sarge installer if it's not the original cd. Look at this screenshot : http://kalhfr.free.fr/linux/divers/debian.png |
| 11:51.11 | RichiH | Delph: true |
| 11:51.12 | jim | I actually have a debian-installer clean build chroot |
| 11:51.21 | kal | Is it really impossible to make his own debian cd ? |
| 11:51.31 | belracu | cool thanks be back later |
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| 11:51.40 | RichiH | Delph: it's only one click, though |
| 11:51.47 | resiak | RichiH: !netsplit.de $1 $2 is <reply> $1: look at badgerbadger and search with $2 |
| 11:51.49 | jim | it's not easy, but obviously it's possible |
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| 11:52.47 | airox | O_o |
| 11:52.52 | RichiH | !netsplit.de $1 $2 is <reply> $1: look at http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/ and search for $2 |
| 11:52.52 | dpkg | okay, RichiH |
| 11:53.04 | RichiH | !netsplit.de resiak bestiality |
| 11:53.04 | dpkg | resiak: look at http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/ and search for bestiality |
| 11:53.07 | l4vim | hello, I have DHCP server that works with shared-networks on one NIC. On that network are some routers that support dhcp-relay. I want make possible to add to dhcpd.conf configuration for laptop, who can connect on every subnet and get IP for that subnet. Is it possible ? |
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| 11:53.15 | RichiH | works :) |
| 11:53.22 | caphuso | oh, great, another one of those fucked up factoids |
| 11:53.29 | resiak | RichiH: Okay |
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| 11:53.44 | l4vim | I try to use stash-agent-options true and it shows me in logs what router relayed request for DHCP |
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| 11:54.06 | effbiae | hi all |
| 11:54.17 | RichiH | caphuso: i can't see anything wrong about having it around. it's sure faster than walking them trough what netsplit.de is ;) |
| 11:54.36 | effbiae | sorry to interrupt, but i need a little help. |
| 11:54.41 | l4vim | in DHCP protocol there is place where relay's puts their IP so in theory it is possible to make that config |
| 11:54.49 | caphuso | RichiH: it pollutes the channel |
| 11:54.53 | streuner | dpkg, amd64 =~ s/unofficial at the moment/official now/ |
| 11:54.53 | dpkg | OK, streuner |
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| 11:55.07 | effbiae | i'm currently copyingall 14 CDs to a workstation... |
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| 11:55.31 | effbiae | i want to set up an ftp server for the packages in the 14 CDs |
| 11:55.32 | Virtual | How do I activate my second NIC ? |
| 11:55.55 | effbiae | is there a script around that will arrange my directories and contents for apt? |
| 11:55.59 | jim | Virtual: ifup eth1 |
| 11:56.03 | streuner | Virtual: modprobe the module for your NIC |
| 11:56.06 | petemc | Virtual: make sure you have a driver for it as a module or built in, configure it and bring it up |
| 11:56.24 | Dr_O | effbiae: stop downloading the cd's and read the man page for debmirror |
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| 11:56.49 | l4vim | does anyone use DHCP for shared network with DHCP-relay-routers ? |
| 11:56.50 | RichiH | caphuso: less than a lengthy discussion, though |
| 11:57.16 | Dr_O | l4vim: I have done |
| 11:57.17 | caphuso | RichiH: more than a "foo: /msg dpkg netsplit.de" or "!tell foo about netsplit.de" |
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| 11:57.52 | l4vim | Dr_O : can you help me with this: I have laptot that I must put for every shared network on diffrent IP |
| 11:58.14 | effbiae | dr: thanks a lot for that. |
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| 11:58.19 | streuner | l4vim: read /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 11:58.19 | RichiH | caphuso: from my experience, people tend to read/do what is said to them 'directly' far more readily, though |
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| 11:58.23 | l4vim | Dr_O: all requests are comeing to dhcpd on one NIC but are relayed by diffrent router |
| 11:58.47 | jim | l4vim: then you configure the laptop to get its address from dhcp |
| 11:58.48 | Dr_O | l4vim: if you are using dhcpd3 I'm sure you can do it... |
| 11:58.52 | caphuso | RichiH: they also tend to abuse the bots more often, leading to me having to +q it, which doesn't help anyone |
| 11:58.54 | amorphix | why doesnt the command kill nfsd -HUP work? Also I cant find a process running for nfsd |
| 11:58.56 | Virtual | jim: Virtual:~# ifup eth0 |
| 11:58.56 | Virtual | Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0. |
| 11:59.11 | jim | Virtual: so you don't even have the first nic |
| 11:59.12 | l4vim | Dr_O : yes - it is ver. 3 od dhcpd |
| 11:59.13 | caphuso | Virtual: man 5 interfaces |
| 11:59.16 | karsten | Virtual: Define it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:59.29 | karsten | jim: The interface won't up on 'ifup' if it's not defined. |
| 11:59.55 | karsten | jim: ... in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:59.58 | Virtual | jim the main NIC is eth1 |
| 11:59.59 | jim | karsten: I'm aware of this :) I picked a point in the center of the potential issue |
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| 12:00.13 | Virtual | karsten, and how do I define it? |
| 12:00.22 | karsten | Virtual: man 5 interfaces |
| 12:00.25 | jim | Virtual: how can there be an eth1 if there is no eth0? |
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| 12:00.38 | l4vim | Dr_O : there is something about stash-agent-options and subclasses but I'm not sure how it use |
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| 12:00.45 | karsten | jim: Best to start troubleshooting at the beginning. |
| 12:00.47 | jim | Virtual: ok, stop, back up to the beginning |
| 12:01.01 | amorphix | hi |
| 12:01.02 | jim | first, you say you have two nics? |
| 12:01.04 | caphuso | jim: there's a difference between the existance of the interfaces eth{0,1} and their configuration in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:01.06 | karsten | jim: dmesg. |
| 12:01.08 | Dr_O | l4vim: can you put a diferent host{} stanza in each subnet{} declaration ? |
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| 12:01.17 | Virtual | jim: yes |
| 12:01.19 | jim | \caphuso: I'm -aware- of this |
| 12:01.21 | karsten | Dr_O: ?? |
| 12:01.30 | amorphix | im having a problem, ive just updated my /etc/exports, how do i get the sys to update? |
| 12:01.36 | greycat | amorphix: exportfs -a |
| 12:01.40 | jim | sheesh, if you don't know me by now... |
| 12:01.42 | greycat | amorphix: assuming you use the kernelspace NFS server |
| 12:01.51 | karsten | jim: We know you, baby. |
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| 12:01.57 | l4vim | Dr_0: I have it but works only first |
| 12:01.59 | karsten | jim: ...and to know you is to love you. |
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| 12:02.31 | Rockret | anyone knows where directory where files of apt-get are downloaded ? |
| 12:02.38 | jim | Virtual: ok, how is it you're using eth1 first of all? |
| 12:02.40 | karsten | Rockret: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 12:02.46 | gromf | nobody could help me? |
| 12:02.48 | Rockret | karsten, thanks |
| 12:02.53 | amorphix | greycat: i dont, and dont have the command exportfs :-( |
| 12:02.54 | l4vim | Dr_O : there is 3 subnets: 10.1.32.0/20 10.1.48.0/20 10.1.64.0/20 all connected by diffrent router with dhcp-relay |
| 12:02.57 | amorphix | I'm screwed? |
| 12:03.18 | l4vim | Dr_O : server is connected to router that supports 10.1.32.0 |
| 12:03.29 | Virtual | jim: because eth0 is the onboard nic, and I don`t want to use that. |
| 12:03.30 | jim | karsten: say, aren't you Pam Grier? |
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| 12:03.49 | karsten | jim: Shhh! |
| 12:03.51 | karsten | jim: ...we're keeping that a secret. |
| 12:04.00 | RichiH | caphuso: if they even grok what dpkg is ;) |
| 12:04.07 | l4vim | Dr_0: so I use shared-network to put host configures for them all |
| 12:04.23 | greycat | amorphix: i think for userspace NFS you run /etc/init.d/nfs-something restart |
| 12:04.32 | karsten | amorphix: IIRC you can stop/restart nfs services via /etc/init.d/ stuff. |
| 12:04.33 | greycat | amorphix: either that, or you don't run anything at all. I don't know. |
| 12:04.33 | amorphix | greycat: ok thanks |
| 12:04.36 | jim | Virtual: in order for there to be an eth1, there must be two things: |
| 12:04.45 | amorphix | i will experiment then |
| 12:04.47 | jim | (1) there must be a driver loaded for eth0 |
| 12:04.53 | jim | (2) there must be a driver loaded for eth1 |
| 12:04.55 | karsten | jim: ...Hrm. Yeah, I thought so. She and I share a birthday. |
| 12:05.02 | jim | are these true? |
| 12:05.17 | ods15 | hey, in case i'm successful making this brltty cd, should i send it to somewhere to debian? |
| 12:05.20 | jim | I'd like to share a birthday with her :) |
| 12:05.35 | nanok | jim: let alone that the unboard nic must not be disabled from the BIOS configuration |
| 12:05.51 | l4vim | Dr_O : if I put multiple host {} for 10.1.32 .48 .64 only first declared works (server reply DHCP-PACK for it even if request was relayed by diffrent router) |
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| 12:06.12 | jim | nanok: that's true |
| 12:06.32 | jim | anyway tho, he's nonresponsive |
| 12:06.47 | l4vim | Dr_O : any idea ? |
| 12:06.57 | Alver | jim: surely it can't be necessary to rebuild an app just to change its default dir? I was thinking of a $MAILDIR var but apparently that doesn't exist either... |
| 12:07.15 | jim | Alver: I'm hoping that too |
| 12:07.31 | Dr_O | l4vim: Hmm... the shared network (as far as I know) is when you have 2 IP networks on the ame wire... From your description this is not what you have... |
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| 12:08.05 | jim | Alver: read its man page, everything should be there (NOTE: chase all relevent "see also" pages) |
| 12:08.09 | karsten | jim: Heh. |
| 12:08.14 | effbiae | Dr_O: i can't see how to read the contents of my CDs into a debmirror |
| 12:08.15 | l4vim | Dr_O : this is what I have because that routers relay dhcp request to server that is connectet only to first router |
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| 12:08.32 | karsten | jim: ... grep eth /var/log/dmesg should turn up something. |
| 12:08.58 | karsten | jim: ...gah. Dead user. |
| 12:08.58 | defcon8 | hello i just installed sarge 3.1 and i am trying to compile something so i guessed i needed gcc when it didnt find a c compiler so after i installed it it told me the c compiler cant make executables or something. what can i do? |
| 12:09.02 | jim | true... but he's still not responding... |
| 12:09.02 | Alver | jim: the kmail manpage is about as useless as a "do not use on children" sign on a chainsaw :/ |
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| 12:09.22 | karsten | defcon8: Exact commands and error messages please. |
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| 12:09.27 | nanok | defcon8: apt-get install build-essential |
| 12:09.31 | karsten | Virtual: Wake up dude. |
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| 12:09.35 | defcon8 | thanks nanok |
| 12:09.40 | l4vim | Dr_O : gateway----routerA(10.1.32.0)------routerB(10.1.48.0) |
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| 12:09.54 | l4vim | Dr_O DHCP is on gateway |
| 12:10.27 | jim | EUSERDEAD is like EPRINTERFIRE? |
| 12:10.32 | karsten | jim: He's in Romania somewhere. |
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| 12:10.45 | karsten | jim: Could be EUSERUNDEAD |
| 12:10.50 | l4vim | Dr_O : only one NIC is used to connect all 10.1.0.0/16 |
| 12:10.54 | karsten | jim: ...or EUSERGOTGARLICKED |
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| 12:11.09 | jim | EUSERMETBUFFY |
| 12:11.15 | Virtual | karsten, i`m reading that man you gave me |
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| 12:11.23 | karsten | jim: Speaking of sharing birthdays with... |
| 12:11.27 | karsten | Virtual: OK. |
| 12:11.45 | _paul | Alver: What does 'strings /usr/bin/kmail | grep "~/Mail" ' show? |
| 12:11.46 | karsten | Virtual: Check in here every once in a while, people get impatient helping those who don't respond. |
| 12:12.20 | Alver | _paul: nothing |
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| 12:12.34 | Virtual | karsten, soory about that |
| 12:12.37 | karsten | Virtual: Basically: define a stanza with appropriate iface, address, netmask, network, and broadcast lines. |
| 12:12.45 | _paul | Alvar: So it maybe set less where then... |
| 12:12.50 | karsten | Virtual: There's a sample file in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 12:12.59 | jim | how, btw, did it happen that all of a sudden we get lots of DDs in here helping? |
| 12:13.01 | _paul | s/less/ else / |
| 12:13.03 | nanok | Virtual: do you actually _have_ an eth1? |
| 12:13.08 | Alver | _paul: yes, that's what I'm trying to figure out... in ~/.kde there's nothing to be found afaics |
| 12:13.09 | karsten | Virtual: Edit /etc/network/interfaces. Add same. "ifup eth0" |
| 12:13.13 | nanok | Virtual: ifconfig -a | grep eth1 |
| 12:13.22 | jim | even manoj and overfiend |
| 12:13.34 | Virtual | nanok of course I have, my internet connection is on eth1 |
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| 12:13.45 | Virtual | karsten, i`m trying to do that |
| 12:14.10 | jim | karsten: oh, oops, I got the name of that example file wrong earlier |
| 12:14.32 | jim | Virtual: I got a few questions.... |
| 12:14.33 | karsten | jim: tab completion works in irssi |
| 12:14.34 | Virtual | karsten, after I add it to /etc/network/interfaces do I have to restart something? |
| 12:14.43 | Virtual | jim: yes? |
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| 12:14.47 | karsten | Virtual: No. Just 'ifup <interface name>' |
| 12:15.14 | jim | one, are you presently using any of your net cards? |
| 12:15.15 | karsten | nanok: Didn't know about ifconfig -a. Coolio |
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| 12:15.26 | Virtual | karsten, Virtual:~# ifup eth0 |
| 12:15.26 | Virtual | Don't seem to be have all the variables for eth0/inet. |
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| 12:15.49 | karsten | Virtual: /join #flood and paste your /etc/network/interfaces config for eth0 |
| 12:15.58 | jim | you need address, netmask, network, broadcast, gateway |
| 12:16.00 | nanok | Virtual: please, run this: ifconfig -a | grep eth |
| 12:16.06 | Dr_O | l4vim: Hmmm still not sure you need the shared network thing... Anyway looking at the man page at http://www.daemon-systems.org/man/dhcpd.conf.5.html (not got dhcpd installed in this machine) you need to setup a class with only one machine in it- then let dhcp "dynamically" allocate only to thet class from a pool of 1 IP address on each subnet. Maybe? |
| 12:16.12 | Morti | What I'd really like to do is grab all the output that's on the tty and put it into a file. Is that doable? |
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| 12:16.37 | Dr_O | effbiae: I don' tthink you can hence me saying stop downloading them! |
| 12:17.00 | Dr_O | effbiae: If you have them all already investicate apt-move |
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| 12:17.18 | Dr_O | effbiae: or in english! investigate apt-move |
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| 12:17.22 | jim | Morti: you could look into screen |
| 12:17.40 | jim | you could put into the file before it goes to the screen too |
| 12:17.45 | Virtual | nanok, eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:09:6B:A4:9E:29 |
| 12:17.45 | Virtual | eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:04:2E:00:E9:C8 |
| 12:18.07 | nanok | Virtual: ok... |
| 12:18.08 | jim | so you have drivers for both nics |
| 12:18.16 | jim | which is the internal? |
| 12:18.23 | jim | err onboard |
| 12:18.27 | Morti | jim: Basically I have several startup scripts that output stuff onto the screen, which I still want them to do, but I also want everything they output to be logged. |
| 12:18.29 | nanok | Virtual: you are sayng you have the cable pluged into eth1, and no cable in eth0? |
| 12:18.32 | Dr_O | effbiae: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:18.35 | Virtual | eht0 is onboard, eth1 is a broadcom nic |
| 12:18.38 | jim | is it the same every time you boot? |
| 12:18.49 | Virtual | nanok, I have cable plugged into eth1 and a crossover cable into eht0 |
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| 12:18.54 | airox | broadcom!! ahhhhhhhhhhhh! |
| 12:18.56 | airox | :) |
| 12:18.56 | Virtual | because I want to connect my destkop to my laptop |
| 12:18.57 | l4vim | Dr_O : I have shared-network, it was required bu dhcp to run on my configuration - it works. Problem is to put diffrent configurations for laptop to make possible connect to every network |
| 12:19.13 | nanok | Virtual: plug the crossover out, if you can do without it for a while |
| 12:19.22 | nanok | Virtual: and find out if you have a link |
| 12:19.27 | nanok | Virtual: mii-tool |
| 12:19.42 | nanok | Virtual: this will tell you which is which ;) |
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| 12:20.31 | jim | Virtual: are you actually using the interfaces now? |
| 12:21.07 | jim | Virtual: why not connect both your desktop and laptop to your net? |
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| 12:21.20 | nanok | jim: i think he is nod, he is on the laptop now, and has no usefull networking on this machine.. |
| 12:21.25 | kal | I'm currently make a cd in which there will be : debian sarge netinstall amd64 and debian sarge netinstall x86. Ut's useful to have only one CD for any installation. By the way, there's a cdcheck in the debian sarge installer if it's not the original cd. Look at this screenshot : http://kalhfr.free.fr/linux/divers/debian.png |
| 12:21.27 | xirtam | i have probs on dependencies: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/pygtk-demo' ... can i force the overwrite somehow? |
| 12:21.28 | nanok | if i gather corectlly.. |
| 12:21.35 | nanok | s/nod/not |
| 12:21.51 | jm_ | xirtam: of course |
| 12:21.54 | xirtam | how? |
| 12:22.02 | jm_ | are you using sid? |
| 12:22.07 | xirtam | jm_: yes |
| 12:22.10 | xirtam | of course ;)) |
| 12:22.13 | jm_ | xirtam: did you check BTS? |
| 12:22.23 | jm_ | I wouldn't brag about it like this :P |
| 12:22.29 | sobersabre | guys, what is the best place to ask about flex & bison ? |
| 12:22.35 | xirtam | yes, no entry about that ... i hat a little adventure using ubuntu and moved back ... ;) |
| 12:22.41 | tarzeau2 | sobersabre: #c has a link to a place |
| 12:22.42 | jm_ | sobersabre: info flex ;) |
| 12:22.53 | xirtam | s/hat/had |
| 12:23.00 | jim | sobersabre: at a zoo that specializes in stretching exercises? |
| 12:23.05 | jm_ | xirtam: anyway, dpkg has a switch - man dpkg -- you shouldn't really use sid if you can't manage things like this |
| 12:23.09 | procrastinator | Does anyone know if SB 128PCI has an EMU-chip? |
| 12:23.09 | sobersabre | jm_, i am reading it thought of going via a shortcut... |
| 12:23.18 | jm_ | sobersabre: it's not 2 minute thing |
| 12:23.27 | Langly1 | Anyone know where i can get the ndiswrapper file for a acx100 pcmcia wifi card, cant freaking find it |
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| 12:23.46 | jm_ | procrastinator: it has ES137x chip, lspci will tell you |
| 12:23.48 | xirtam | jm_: i use unstable since a cupple of years .. some times a have small probs like this (because of ubuntu sources ...) i realy think sid is the right way to go for me ... ;) |
| 12:23.59 | defcon8 | how do i turn stable to testing and update everything? and is testing=etch? |
| 12:24.01 | procrastinator | jm_: Oh, ok |
| 12:24.08 | sobersabre | jm_, never thought it was, but it is a fact that interactive ( preferrably interruptive like phone or real ) way is the fastest... |
| 12:24.08 | jm_ | procrastinator: or ALSA pages |
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| 12:24.24 | jm_ | sobersabre: sure, if you can find someone that's prepared to guide you |
| 12:24.28 | jim | xirtam: oh man :) does your os ever work? :) |
| 12:24.39 | sobersabre | yep... hopy hopy... |
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| 12:25.46 | xirtam | jim: yes wonderful ;) |
| 12:26.00 | greycat | defcon8: man apt-get; man sources.list; yes |
| 12:26.07 | defcon8 | ok can someone just tell me how to update all the packages on the system |
| 12:26.11 | xirtam | jm_: problem solved / thanks for support ;) |
| 12:26.13 | defcon8 | i have figured the sources out |
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| 12:26.29 | procrastinator | jm_: Hmm, I found the card in an old machine I had, and it seemed like an SB 128PCI, but lspci says "Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI"? |
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| 12:26.44 | jim | xirtam: ubuntu + debian + unstable... umm :) I hope you can find more than zero people who can help you... |
| 12:27.03 | jm_ | procrastinator: well you can try using discover or alsaconf to find the right driver for you |
| 12:27.05 | defcon8 | jim: could you help? i just want to update all packages on my system |
| 12:27.16 | jim | defcon8: aptitude upgrade |
| 12:27.18 | nanok | procrastinator: well...lspci is probablly..right? :) |
| 12:27.22 | xirtam | jim: it was just a test to use ubuntu, i was very unhappy with it ... so i moved back to sid ... on the first dist-upgrade i got problems ... solved now ... |
| 12:27.29 | jm_ | procrastinator: otherwise you just get its numerical PCI ID (lspci -n) and find the driver handling it |
| 12:27.32 | xirtam | all ubuntu packages are removed now |
| 12:27.39 | jim | (but that might not work correctly: you might have to dist-upgrade) |
| 12:27.58 | xirtam | jim: i did a dist-upgrade |
| 12:28.03 | Alver | Oh, by the way, I noticed debian doesn't use an /etc/profile.d/ dir with scripts that handle setting the path etcetera. What is the best place to set a path globally? I need to add (amongst others) the java path. |
| 12:28.09 | procrastinator | jm_: Well, I do have a driver, I just need a sequencer device for Rosegarden |
| 12:28.16 | jim | xirtam: was the problem you're asking about now solved by removing the ubuntu stuff? |
| 12:28.33 | darxeth | is there any divxes and codecs in linux like in windows? |
| 12:28.50 | xirtam | jim: no it was solved by using --force on dpkg -i ... |
| 12:28.59 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.11 | procrastinator | jm_: And I found that for cards with an EMU chip I could use snd_emux_synth |
| 12:29.14 | nanok | darxeth: no, none. the ones in linux actually _work_ all the time :) |
| 12:29.22 | defcon8 | how do i update a certain pacakge? |
| 12:29.28 | darxeth | nanok cool |
| 12:29.29 | jim | xirtam: aha... keep track of each individual package you forced |
| 12:29.30 | nanok | darxeth: use xine or mplayer or vlc.. |
| 12:29.44 | darxeth | nanok what do you prefare? |
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| 12:29.53 | jim | you will probably want to restore nonforce on them |
| 12:30.06 | jm_ | procrastinator: yes, but SB128 doesn't have an EMU chip, sblive (and some newer models) does |
| 12:30.13 | procrastinator | And btw, how do I unload a module? |
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| 12:30.23 | defcon8 | anyone? |
| 12:30.33 | jim | rmmod |
| 12:30.34 | greycat | defcon8: apt-get install it |
| 12:30.37 | defcon8 | ok |
| 12:30.39 | Alver | jim: thanks, that seems to be it indeed |
| 12:30.45 | jim | or modprobe -something |
| 12:30.45 | procrastinator | jm_: That was the conclusion I was looking for in the first place :) |
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| 12:30.51 | xirtam | jim: the point to try ubuntu was xorg ... are there any plans to include it in sid or is this allready done? |
| 12:30.55 | procrastinator | jim: Oh yeah, thanks |
| 12:30.56 | nanok | darxeth: it is irelevant, if you havent used any, you should try to get them all, see which _you_ prefer |
| 12:31.00 | greycat | xirtam: /msg dpkg xorg |
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| 12:31.16 | jim | xirtam: I think there are plans, but see that factoid |
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| 12:32.07 | xirtam | jim: jup, i have seen it ... i was not happy with xorg from ubuntu it crashes from time to time without any error, log, xsession-error ... nothing at all ... |
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| 12:32.27 | darxeth | nanok it tells me couldnt find package for xine and mplayer... should i google them? |
| 12:32.45 | nanok | darxeth: should use apt-cache search |
| 12:32.51 | nanok | darxeth: it is xine-ui i think |
| 12:33.07 | nanok | darxeth: and mplayer is not packaged by debian, you should get it elsewhere |
| 12:33.10 | Alver | darxeth: mplayer isn't in official mirrors, afaik |
| 12:33.10 | Alver | You'll need to add third party sources for that |
| 12:33.13 | jim | xirtam: hmm; I don't see then, if it would help to have a current xorg in debian anything given these crashes |
| 12:33.17 | Alver | google for debian marillat |
| 12:33.32 | jim | and/or /msg dpkg marillat |
| 12:33.32 | darxeth | nanok Alver i see.. |
| 12:33.45 | nanok | darxeth: or go to apt-get.org |
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| 12:34.56 | xirtam | jim: i think this is the reason why debian does not include it ... ? |
| 12:35.57 | jim | yeah, that's what I was thinking too... but: branden said specifically that he would not start on xorg until after sarge was out... so probably he's working on it |
| 12:36.17 | jim | he's probably less than half done, maybe much less |
| 12:36.25 | procrastinator | which MIDI sequencer module can I use (for Rosegarden) when I can't use snd_emux_synth? |
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| 12:37.01 | jim | procrastinator: maybe you could use a userland synth |
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| 12:37.07 | xirtam | yup, this was the plan, i have seen this entries ... |
| 12:37.25 | prophor | how can i downgrade my testing to sarge? |
| 12:37.31 | xirtam | xorg should support ati-radeon cards better then xfree ... that was why i tried ... |
| 12:37.43 | Mage\work | prophor: you can't. |
| 12:37.43 | greycat | prophor: can't. |
| 12:37.48 | prophor | damn :P |
| 12:37.54 | prophor | hehe |
| 12:38.00 | procrastinator | jim: can you be a bit more specific(/newbie-friendly)? :) |
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| 12:38.52 | jim | prophor: you can try... some packages will downgrade (because they don't have to upgrade a database or config file or somethign), but some will not, and it could damage things to try |
| 12:39.02 | Virtual_ | loool |
| 12:39.03 | Virtual_ | finally |
| 12:39.16 | jim | do it werk? |
| 12:39.26 | Virtual | yes jim, everything works now |
| 12:39.32 | jim | good :) |
| 12:39.36 | nanok | Virtual:well |
| 12:39.42 | Virtual | thanks to karsten |
| 12:39.44 | karsten | jim: It needed that Pam Greer touch. |
| 12:40.20 | karsten | jim: Hows about I invite you to our b-day party? |
| 12:40.33 | Virtual | Now, any of you guys know how I can get my camera to work on linux so I can download photos from it? |
| 12:40.38 | Virtual | I have a HP R607 |
| 12:40.54 | Virtual | i`m trying to find everything I need out so I can give up Windows for good :)) |
| 12:40.58 | karsten | Virtual: USB connector? |
| 12:41.12 | Virtual | yes |
| 12:41.14 | jim | Virtual: if your camera could work on your linux, you could sit back and watch :) |
| 12:41.21 | karsten | Virtual: Most cameras present themselves as a USB storage device, vfat filesystem. |
| 12:41.24 | nanok | Virtual: now |
| 12:41.31 | nanok | Virtual: you should edit... |
| 12:42.02 | jim | thats probably right, he -should- edit |
| 12:42.26 | karsten | Virtual: There's also some camera software that handles all this pretty automagickally. |
| 12:42.29 | jim | fstab you're thinking |
| 12:42.30 | jim | ? |
| 12:42.55 | karsten | jim: No, that's not the software I had in mind.... |
| 12:43.20 | nanok | jim: no, for ip_forwarding to remain persistent.. |
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| 12:43.24 | nanok | damn! .. |
| 12:43.57 | Virtual | karsten, any idea what that might be? |
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| 12:44.17 | karsten | Virtual: Plug in the camera and cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 12:44.40 | karsten | Virtual: Googling for a mailing list discussion... |
| 12:44.41 | nanok | Virtual: well, the camera should most likelly be usb mass storage handeled |
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| 12:44.51 | jim | nanok: you could use ipmasq for that |
| 12:44.55 | Virtual | karsten, Virtual:~# cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 12:44.55 | Virtual | cat: /proc/scsi/scsi: No such file or directory |
| 12:45.02 | nanok | Virtual: if you have hotplug (you probablly do..), you will just need to mount it |
| 12:45.12 | nanok | Virtual: run dmesg |
| 12:45.32 | jim | the scsi... the scsi bcsi... the bcsi scsi... |
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| 12:45.49 | nanok | Virtual: sorry, plug it in, run dmesg, mount the device where you want it (probably the device will be /dev/sda, but not always) |
| 12:45.58 | pi__ | wasn't there a finix operating system? |
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| 12:46.12 | jim | no, it's finished |
| 12:46.17 | Virtual | nanok, ok lemme see |
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| 12:46.25 | karsten | pi__: IIRC that's a Neal Stephenson creation for Cryptonomicon. |
| 12:46.41 | honschu | Is there a usb logger/sniffer/analyzer for Linux? |
| 12:46.44 | pi__ | Yea I know stephenson used it. |
| 12:46.55 | Virtual | nanok, what i`m I supposed to see in dmesg? |
| 12:47.03 | karsten | pi__: He created the name. It's a play on Linux. |
| 12:47.04 | pi__ | but I recall hearing about it a while ago as being a real operating system.. |
| 12:47.20 | pi__ | Hrm. |
| 12:47.29 | pi__ | maybe I was mistaking it for something else. |
| 12:47.35 | nanok | Virtual: crap, /etc/sysctl.conf is the bloody file |
| 12:47.39 | jim | Virtual: connect and disconnect your camera, see what dmesg says or watch /var/log/messages |
| 12:47.48 | karsten | pi__: FINIX European Stock Market Indexes Website http://www.finix.at/ |
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| 12:48.51 | _paul | Virtual: apt-get install gtkam . |
| 12:49.00 | jim | what are some of the major new systems in use by 2.6 kernels? I see some interesting stuff when it boots |
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| 12:49.12 | _paul | Virutal: Camera -> Add Camera |
| 12:49.34 | gudi | hi |
| 12:50.00 | honschu | I want to compare the data win32-driver and linux-rumblepad-driver generates. So is there a usb logger/sniffer/analyzer for Linux? |
| 12:50.01 | gudi | what ca be the problem when i get an error on the selfmade package whhen install via at.. but when install with dpkg -i it runs fine |
| 12:50.36 | Virtual | _paul did that but it doesn`t have the driver for my camera |
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| 12:50.53 | nanok | honschu: i seem to recall there was at least one such thing..have you tried apt-cache search/google? |
| 12:51.06 | honschu | nanok: sure |
| 12:51.30 | karsten | Virtual: Make sure the following modules are loaded: usb-uhci usb-ohci |
| 12:51.31 | nanok | honschu: no joy?.. |
| 12:51.31 | _paul | Virtual: It doesn't support mine either, but does in the next version. |
| 12:51.40 | jim | apt-cache can search goggle?? |
| 12:51.46 | karsten | jim: No. |
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| 12:51.53 | karsten | jim: Or google, FWIW. |
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| 12:51.57 | honschu | nanok: ? |
| 12:52.00 | nanok | honschu: i am sort of interested myself..i was thinking a while ago to hack my bloody sony md... |
| 12:52.08 | nanok | :) |
| 12:52.34 | honschu | nanok: Is it a forece-feedback or a rumblepad? |
| 12:52.49 | karsten | Virtual: ...then: 'mount -t usbfs usb /proc/bus/usb |
| 12:52.57 | nanok | honschu: it is a minidisc, netmd |
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| 12:52.59 | nanok | :) |
| 12:53.00 | karsten | Virtual: http://brneurosci.org/linuxsetup68.html |
| 12:53.02 | honschu | nanok: ? |
| 12:53.04 | _paul | Virtual: Look at http://www.teaser.fr/~hfiguiere/linux/digicam.html |
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| 12:53.22 | jim | nanok: was that you and sony I saw in #peesex?? :) |
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| 12:53.30 | Virtual | ok i`m on it karsten & _paul |
| 12:53.39 | karsten | Virtual: ...and gphoto2 |
| 12:53.48 | karsten | Virtual: ...is the program I was thinking of. |
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| 12:54.11 | jim | Virtual: and once you get this going, you know about photo.net, right? |
| 12:54.11 | nanok | jim: dont think so, maybe in #fuck-sony_sony-fucking-sucks or similar.. |
| 12:54.12 | nanok | :P |
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| 12:54.42 | nanok | jim: ?.... |
| 12:54.50 | nanok | jim: photonet user?.. |
| 12:54.56 | DrPete | Anyone know a good host that provides debian VPS? I want to try one out |
| 12:54.57 | karsten | Virtual: http://jace.seacrow.com/tech/linux/usbcam is another site |
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| 12:55.02 | jim | isn't -that- special? |
| 12:55.06 | karsten | Virtual: ... uses 2.4 kernel though. |
| 12:55.10 | jim | nanok: web site |
| 12:55.20 | Virtual | I use 2.6 |
| 12:55.24 | karsten | DrPete: VPS? |
| 12:55.30 | jim | what';s a vps |
| 12:55.39 | Alver | oh, by the way... tmpfs 380M 0 80M 0% /dev/shm <<<< any way to disable (or at least reduce) that? |
| 12:55.42 | karsten | jim: A Very Pam System? |
| 12:55.58 | nanok | jim: i know, i was asking, do you have pictures there? may i have a peak? :) |
| 12:56.11 | DrPete | karsten: virtual private server, you know user mode linux and the like |
| 12:56.12 | ods15 | gah |
| 12:56.14 | karsten | DrPete: you talking about free shell access? Try freeshell. |
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| 12:56.20 | ods15 | how the hell do i make a bottable debian out of this |
| 12:56.27 | jim | I don't myself, but I was in an arsdigita bootcamp way back when |
| 12:56.34 | karsten | ods15: Out of what? |
| 12:56.39 | ods15 | i finally got it bootable, but the installer keeps giving me an image checksum error |
| 12:56.46 | FieldySnuts | !confuse ods15 |
| 12:56.47 | karsten | ods15: aptitude install grub. |
| 12:56.47 | dpkg | No, what was your hamster yesterday, ods15? wellies of the democracy of mongolia with extra ham |
| 12:56.54 | honschu | By the way: Why doesn't this work: grep -ri snoop *.c |
| 12:57.07 | ods15 | karsten: i took the buisness card sarge .iso , tinkered it, now i want to create a bootable iso of that |
| 12:57.07 | karsten | honschu: No *.c in PWD? |
| 12:57.18 | ods15 | karsten: that's useless. and, eww. aptitude. apt-get better |
| 12:57.31 | karsten | !tell ods15 about aptitude |
| 12:57.40 | karsten | ods15: We differ. |
| 12:57.44 | honschu | karsten: grep -r (recursive) |
| 12:57.51 | greycat | honschu: find . -name '*.c' -print0 | xargs -0 grep -i snoop |
| 12:57.52 | jim | ods15: it probably uses md5sum against a known image.. make an md5sum of the image, find the one it compares to, replace |
| 12:57.52 | _paul | ods15: make a new checksum |
| 12:58.01 | honschu | greycat: thx! |
| 12:58.12 | karsten | honschu: If you're looking for *.c in subdirs, you need to use find. Shell expansion and all that. find . -name \*.c | xargs grep -i snoop |
| 12:58.17 | ods15 | jim: yes, i found it, and modified it, but i still get an error |
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| 12:58.31 | ods15 | md5sum.txt: 253 files, 253 OK, 253 tested in textmode. 49.855 seconds, 617.7K/s |
| 12:58.34 | nathan_ | what is module is required for apache to understand 'SetEnv' i thought it was perl but mod_perl is enabled and it's still giving an unrecofnised command error . any ideas? |
| 12:58.35 | karsten | honschu: greycat's suggestion's slightly more robust. |
| 12:58.46 | DrPete | karsten: There a companies that you pay to have a linux server, you have full root access, but its actualy vitual running on big server, so its cheaper then a dedicated, but you cant really tell thats its not real, if you see what I mean |
| 12:58.56 | ods15 | the're possibly ANOTHER md5sum somewhere |
| 12:58.58 | jim | ods15: so then you have to find out precisely what it's md5summing and you sum that too, then replace again |
| 12:59.09 | karsten | ods15: I know how to create an ISO, but not bootable ones per se. |
| 12:59.11 | karsten | DrPete: OK. |
| 12:59.23 | karsten | DrPete: ...and google "virtual linux host debian" doesn't do anything for you? |
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| 12:59.35 | jim | DrPete: ohhh acornhostign |
| 12:59.52 | jim | they use debian or redhat, your choice |
| 12:59.55 | karsten | DrPete: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&c2coff=1&q=webhosting+debian+virtual+host&btnG=Search |
| 13:00.04 | karsten | DrPete: http://www.refdev.com/hosting/Virtual_Private_Servers/ |
| 13:00.08 | karsten | DrPete: ...turns up as VPS hosting. |
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| 13:00.18 | jim | 90 bux to start out, then 30/month |
| 13:00.31 | DrPete | karsten: Yeah, I have found a few, I was hoping to find someone who had used them and could recommend a company |
| 13:00.36 | ods15 | i'm not really sure that the checksum error it's talking about is in fact the checksum of that file, it gives the error way too quickly.. |
| 13:00.46 | jim | DrPete: acornhosting |
| 13:00.53 | karsten | DrPete: Post to a usr list. |
| 13:01.03 | ods15 | i'm gonna try and extract, and then make this iso from scratch without tinkering, and see if it still gives an error |
| 13:01.06 | karsten | DrPete: ...or listen to jim |
| 13:01.11 | DrPete | jim: i will have a look, thanks |
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| 13:01.28 | jim | tell cathy I sent you and will be coming soon :P |
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| 13:02.02 | jim | it's really a web hosting operation |
| 13:02.44 | Delph | DrPete: in the UK or in the US? |
| 13:03.00 | jim | acorn is in US |
| 13:03.01 | DrPete | Delph: I dont mind, whatever is good and well priced |
| 13:03.02 | honschu | How to join channel kernelnewbies, I only get a message to join ##kernelnewbies or do a /part kernelnewbies. But none of this works with tkirc 1.x |
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| 13:03.16 | Delph | DrPete: yes, but you don't want to be transatlanticly lagged if you don't have to be. |
| 13:03.23 | jm_ | honschu: use another client? |
| 13:03.34 | honschu | jim_: No other solution? I like tkirc |
| 13:03.49 | jm_ | well another option would be to fix tkirc |
| 13:03.49 | honschu | jm_: It's small and easy to use. |
| 13:03.54 | jm_ | honschu: see above |
| 13:04.14 | jim | for the developer deal, they want $90/3 months then 30/mo after |
| 13:04.20 | honschu | jm_: mhm, what is this ##channelname ? |
| 13:04.24 | DrPete | Delph: Yeah, dont think that will be too much a problem, but its something to consider. Do you know of anyone? |
| 13:04.34 | jm_ | honschu: does it support quote command? you could try /quote join ##kernelnewbies |
| 13:04.43 | jm_ | honschu: channel named #kernelnewbies |
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| 13:05.02 | jm_ | honschu: anyway, the real kernel-newbies channel is not on this network |
| 13:05.06 | FieldySnuts | !lart tk |
| 13:05.15 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 13:05.23 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: it's not necessary to comment anything with a stupid bot response |
| 13:05.26 | honschu | jm_: Thx for this info - where can I find it? |
| 13:05.34 | jim | kernelnewbies probably moved to another net as an antililo protest |
| 13:05.34 | jm_ | honschu: their web page has it listed ;) |
| 13:05.36 | honschu | jm_: guote doesn't work :-( |
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| 13:05.52 | jim | or a prolilo antitest |
| 13:06.04 | jm_ | honschu: http://www.kernelnewbies.org/ |
| 13:06.08 | FieldySnuts | damn i forget where they moved to. i used to go, irc.gimp.org ? guess |
| 13:06.14 | caphuso | oftc |
| 13:06.16 | nanok | honschu: irssi is a nice client.. |
| 13:06.17 | jim | guote shouldn't work... quote might :) |
| 13:06.23 | jm_ | yes, I didn't want to mention it here |
| 13:06.30 | nanok | honschu: whatever, there are tons of irc clients, choose one |
| 13:06.40 | nanok | honschu: one that actually works... :) |
| 13:06.41 | DrPete | I was hoping to have a play with c-panel, whm etc. But the hosts that provide that free dont seem to let me have debian. Is c-panel quite ridged? or can I just choose my own mailserver etc and it will work? |
| 13:06.48 | honschu | nanok: okay... |
| 13:06.50 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: there, yeah that's it |
| 13:07.03 | caphuso | honschu: preferably one that was last updated in this millennium |
| 13:07.05 | honschu | jm_: it's on irc.oftc.net or irc.kernelnewbies.org |
| 13:07.18 | DrPete | irssi is goof |
| 13:07.21 | sussudio | "Did you hear about the Coder that got stuck in his shower for a week?" - "The instructions on his shampoo said: Lather, rinse, repeat." |
| 13:07.21 | honschu | caphuso: I think there is a tkirc version 2.x |
| 13:07.22 | DrPete | good |
| 13:07.24 | amorphix | I'm having some issues with NFS concerning file ownership/permissions, im mounting /home/usr on server from client machine but seeing different permissions for files, even tho ive chown'd them to the user, any ideas? |
| 13:07.25 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: generally you're going to end up with whatever mail server they give you, if you want that level of customizability, you'll probably end up going colocated |
| 13:07.30 | honschu | caphuso: But not in debian sarge |
| 13:07.34 | jm_ | honschu: yes, I know |
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| 13:07.40 | jim | you don't need cpanel or webmin or any of that if you know how to admin |
| 13:07.41 | caphuso | honschu: but you're not using tkirc 2.x |
| 13:07.47 | FieldySnuts | jim: exactly. |
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| 13:07.53 | Rockret | how to add one printer in debian 3.1 ? |
| 13:07.55 | honschu | caphuso: yes, because it's not in sarge |
| 13:07.58 | jim | you need an editor, fingers, eyes, brain |
| 13:08.02 | FieldySnuts | 75% of "admins" can only seem to do it through cpanel or webmin, wankers |
| 13:08.03 | Rockret | friendly mode .. of course |
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| 13:08.04 | jim | not in that order either :P |
| 13:08.12 | Alver | Rockret: install cups, and do it in the web interface |
| 13:08.16 | FieldySnuts | that is to say 75% of "admins" are just point and clickers |
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| 13:08.43 | FieldySnuts | i've worked with control panels like that, but no matter how good they are I'm always driven crazy because I can't see the raw details |
| 13:08.53 | Delph | DrPete: you still haven't said which side of the atlantic you are. |
| 13:08.57 | DrPete | FieldySnuts: Yeah, I know what you mean. I did have a decicated server, but I am trying to cut costs, it seems the next best thing. But I guess I am going to have to put up with it. As long as I have debian on it. I can allways config it all manually |
| 13:09.02 | amorphix | is it possible to mount a NFS fs simutaneously from two clients? |
| 13:09.11 | Rockret | apt-get install cups ? |
| 13:09.13 | FieldySnuts | yes but it's a bad idea |
| 13:09.13 | jm_ | amorphix: what do you think? |
| 13:09.14 | greycat | amorphix: of course. |
| 13:09.16 | DrPete | Delph: Oh sorry, I am in the UK, but the USA is fine |
| 13:09.29 | FieldySnuts | or does NFS have good flocking these days? |
| 13:09.31 | karsten | amorphix: Yes. |
| 13:09.35 | amorphix | cool |
| 13:09.37 | Delph | mumm. zen. |
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| 13:09.47 | Delph | DrPete: cool, just wondering. How much might you want to pay </market research> |
| 13:09.52 | jim | amorphix: sure... I'm not sure I'd enable -writing-... |
| 13:10.00 | ods15 | hmm, ok, making the cd by not changing a thing works just fine.. atleast thats a good sign.. |
| 13:10.10 | rmrfchik | jim: how to make initrd? I think I've got .deb with new kernel |
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| 13:10.45 | jim | rmrfchik, ohh, back are ya? |
| 13:10.49 | jim | hmmm ;) |
| 13:10.52 | amorphix | is there any issues with NFS and ownership/permissions? Im just getting weird results, files that are showing as owned by user in root, show as being 101 or 501 when logged in as the user |
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| 13:11.11 | greycat | amorphix: the "issue" is your lack of understanding. |
| 13:11.15 | jim | ok, how did you build it? |
| 13:11.16 | amorphix | i guess so |
| 13:11.18 | rmrfchik | jim: oops. make-kpkg --initrd... |
| 13:11.20 | greycat | amorphix: UIDs should be synchronized between the server and client. |
| 13:11.28 | greycat | amorphix: otherwise you get a mess |
| 13:11.33 | rmrfchik | jim: make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot |
| 13:11.34 | jim | you did that? just install the .deb |
| 13:11.38 | _paul | amorphix: man export |
| 13:11.39 | amorphix | greycat: i set the sync option, but is that only part of it? |
| 13:11.41 | DrPete | Delph: Well the dedcated server I had before was from layertech, I found them very good, they were 60 dollars a month, thats why the US is good, as the pound it so strong, I get a really good deal. I would have to be cheaper than that, otherwise it not worth it. |
| 13:11.48 | FieldySnuts | that's not what he means. |
| 13:11.55 | amorphix | oh |
| 13:11.58 | greycat | amorphix: NO. UIDs SHOULD BE SYNCHRONIZED. If fred has UID 1001 on the server he should have UID 1001 on EVERY CLIENT. |
| 13:12.03 | FieldySnuts | anyone got a good nfs doc for him? he's gonna get hurt. |
| 13:12.07 | amorphix | i understand |
| 13:12.13 | amorphix | thanks greycat |
| 13:12.18 | jim | rmrfchik, could ya show the whole line you used? :) |
| 13:12.22 | greycat | files are owned by NUMBERS, not by NAMES. |
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| 13:12.35 | greycat | ls -l just does a number-to-name lookup for your convenience. |
| 13:12.44 | amorphix | cool |
| 13:12.48 | jim | and that can be turned off |
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| 13:13.17 | rmrfchik | jim: the last cmd was make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image |
| 13:13.25 | nathan_ | what is module is required for apache to understand 'SetEnv' i thought it was perl but mod_perl is enabled and it's still giving an unrecofnised command error . any ideas? |
| 13:13.27 | FieldySnuts | are there alternatives to NFS these days? (no not samba...) |
| 13:13.35 | thomas_adam | shfs? |
| 13:13.38 | jim | ok, that would make a .deb that will create the initrd |
| 13:13.49 | FieldySnuts | with actual security too... not out in the open |
| 13:14.06 | Delph | nathan_: google, the win, it is. first hit for "apache getenv" |
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| 13:14.18 | DrPete | I just want to run my mailserver, host a couple of sites etc, I dont need a dedicated anymore. To be honest I would do I on my dsl line, but I moved house and I am stuck with AOL and they block port 25 |
| 13:14.32 | prophor | is there NTFS write support yet? |
| 13:14.40 | h3xley | it's dodgy |
| 13:14.45 | h3xley | likely to corrupt |
| 13:14.46 | FieldySnuts | extremely dangerous |
| 13:14.48 | thomas_adam | prophor: Yes, but it will break everything. |
| 13:15.01 | TheSin | anyone ever get ipmi to get info to snmp with debian? It seems the bmcsensors patch for 2.6 and lm-sensors is a little to experimental for me |
| 13:15.04 | _paul | prophor: Try it and tell us if it works... |
| 13:15.05 | FieldySnuts | don't even think of attempting it without full backups of the partition you're goofing with |
| 13:15.06 | rmrfchik | jim: it only created kernel-image-2.6.12.1_10.00.Custom_i386.deb which doesn't contain initrd |
| 13:15.17 | nathan_ | Delph: it's nothing to do with php thought |
| 13:15.29 | FieldySnuts | and don't go the route of captive ntfs... use a real filesystem instead |
| 13:15.41 | Delph | nathan_: what? |
| 13:15.44 | _paul | FieldySnuts: like vfat |
| 13:15.46 | rmrfchik | jim: oopss.. I found initrd in /boot |
| 13:15.52 | FieldySnuts | _real_ |
| 13:15.58 | nathan_ | Delph: that google hit is a php manual... |
| 13:15.59 | Delph | *looks carefully at module definition which states that it provides the directive SetEnv, and doesn't mention php" |
| 13:16.00 | ods15 | any way to extract an iso without 'mount'? (i.e., without unecessary root privlagedges..) |
| 13:16.06 | jim | rmrfchik: picture yourself on a boat on a river ^W^W^W^W^W^W as the developer of kernels for debian... |
| 13:16.08 | jm_ | ods15: isoinfo |
| 13:16.23 | rmrfchik | jim: fine. go to reboot with new kernel |
| 13:16.35 | nathan_ | Delph: ok google gave me a differnet first hit :) |
| 13:16.46 | ods15 | jm_: hmm, extract an entire iso.. |
| 13:16.47 | mwilson | ods15: "extract"? |
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| 13:16.57 | ods15 | mwilson: well, turn it into a directory |
| 13:17.09 | mwilson | ods15: An ISO isn't something you "turn into a directory". |
| 13:17.11 | jim | ?"mount" |
| 13:17.43 | nathan_ | Delph: infact, i don't see anything on the first page that isn't to with php! |
| 13:17.49 | TheSin | anyword on when php5 will make unstable? |
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| 13:17.59 | jim | !anyword |
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| 13:18.08 | FieldySnuts | blah I have to patch for shfs? weak |
| 13:18.11 | jim | it doesn't knmow that one! |
| 13:18.16 | ods15 | ok, i'll say it like this, i'd like to preform this: "mkdir temp && mount bla.iso temp/ -o loop && cp -r temp/ output/ && umount temp && rmdir temp" WITHOUT root privledges |
| 13:18.17 | mwilson | TheSin: When somoene thinks it's worth uploading to unstable. |
| 13:18.27 | ods15 | is that clear enough :) |
| 13:18.36 | TheSin | hehe I assume you mean someone = some devel |
| 13:18.49 | mwilson | !hehe |
| 13:18.50 | TheSin | cause I think it is |
| 13:18.51 | TheSin | :P |
| 13:19.00 | Delph | nathan_: the quote marks are to enclose the terms, not the term itself. |
| 13:19.14 | jim | ods15: you wouldnt be able to copy files that were owned by root and still have them be owned by root after copying, under those conditions |
| 13:19.34 | mwilson | ods15: Man, those warez must be awfully important to you. |
| 13:19.41 | FieldySnuts | nice |
| 13:19.50 | nathan_ | Delph: i googled for getenv not setenv like a total idiot, like i've been doing for the past 2 hours :| |
| 13:20.25 | jim | mwilson: for true! and just wait until he discovers that he himself created the iso! |
| 13:20.37 | Delph | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.45 | jim | well, actually not... |
| 13:20.57 | Delph | i might have had a spasm on the way from brain to keyboard and a get turned into a set. |
| 13:21.11 | jim | he's trying to learn how to build and see how to reset the md5sum for the booted image |
| 13:21.29 | DrPete | Delph: so you know any good hosts? |
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| 13:21.54 | Delph | DrPete: me, but not for virtual servers right now. |
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| 13:22.05 | Delph | we're sorta thinking about it. |
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| 13:24.53 | lestest | hi there, is there an option to disable a nic at boot time? |
| 13:25.27 | DrPete | Delph: Ahh, are you in the UK? |
| 13:25.29 | ods15 | mwilson: warez??? geez, i'm trying to friggin make a debian installer with brltty support |
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| 13:25.37 | ods15 | i'm getting kicked for helping the blind.. |
| 13:25.45 | PolarWolf | ods15: Oh, I did that once already |
| 13:25.46 | norbert_ | \join #debian |
| 13:26.00 | PolarWolf | ods15: Not much of an issue, as I recall |
| 13:26.02 | mwilson | ods15: You haven't been kicked at all. |
| 13:26.08 | ods15 | mwilson: metaphoricallyu |
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| 13:26.11 | ods15 | -u |
| 13:26.12 | digitalbit | Hi! I've chanced to a SATA HD, and now I cannot boot (VFS: cannot open device root "803" or unknown_block) ? I've check lilo.conf and fstab, and set "Silicon Image chipset support" ON and " Support for SATA (deprecated; conflicts with libata SATA driver)" in the kernel ... someoone help !! |
| 13:26.25 | ods15 | PolarWolf: yeah. but i want to create a script for it so anybody can use it once i'm done |
| 13:26.51 | ods15 | the main issue i hit was getting the installer to accept the md5 change... |
| 13:27.00 | PolarWolf | ods15: iirc it needs a driver module |
| 13:27.05 | lestest | I mean a kernel boot option |
| 13:27.09 | _paul | digitalbit: Turn on libata in the scsi options. |
| 13:27.17 | ods15 | PolarWolf: ? |
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| 13:27.27 | ods15 | '/dev/tts/0' is the COM serial, right? |
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| 13:27.42 | knj | How can i monitor the network bandwich? Which program should I search for? |
| 13:27.56 | jim | digitalbit: you can -try- this iso... but it's EXPERIMENTAL, and not everything is automated, in particular the installation of the kernel |
| 13:28.01 | Alver | knj: depends on what you mean by monitoring |
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| 13:28.14 | Alver | knj: if you just want to see a nice lil graph on network usage, gkrellm |
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| 13:28.31 | Wyzard | knj: apt-cache show bwm |
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| 13:28.33 | jim | rmrfchik: well? :) |
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| 13:28.40 | rmrfchik | jim: it works. I have connected zaurus |
| 13:28.41 | rmrfchik | ;) |
| 13:28.43 | knj | Alver: Like with numbers. I would be nice if I could use it with some other scripts and stuff... :) |
| 13:28.44 | Grost | anybody knowing, how much memory is one PAGE in Kernel 2.6.11 and i686 System ? |
| 13:28.49 | knj | apt-cache show bwm |
| 13:28.52 | jim | well well well :) |
| 13:28.52 | knj | :P |
| 13:29.07 | jim | now you owe me 10,000 ping pong balls :P |
| 13:29.27 | knj | Wyzard, thanks. |
| 13:29.33 | stew | Grost: 4k, i think |
| 13:30.16 | Wyzard | knj: np |
| 13:30.17 | Grost | thank you stew |
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| 13:31.24 | greycat | with blindness/shards |
| 13:31.28 | greycat | ECHAN |
| 13:31.45 | jim | rmrfchik: ok, so now: this is my recommendation... -every- time your kernel source changes in any way, the first thing you do is back up the config file, run make mrproper (which removes the .config, so you then ...) restore the .config, run make oldconfig (which is inconvenient user interface) to make sure the config file is good and completely filled out, then run make menuconfig to make any changes you want |
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| 13:32.03 | jim | then you can build the kernel |
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| 13:32.49 | jim | but as long as the kernel source doesn't change, you don't need the extra stuff, you can just go straight to make menuconfig and build |
| 13:32.59 | Wyzard | greycat: ToME? :-) |
| 13:33.06 | jim | ToYOU! |
| 13:33.14 | greycat | Wyzard: yes |
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| 13:33.21 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 13:33.25 | nathan_ | i'm using nocatauth for authentication of wireless clients on the network but after the user successfully logs in (it says it was succesfull) but then when trying to gain access to the net its presented with the login page again (an evil loop) |
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| 13:34.49 | jim | rmrfchik, got all that? :) |
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| 13:35.48 | LiNkSyS | salut |
| 13:35.50 | LiNkSyS | kelkun ? |
| 13:35.54 | jim | salad! |
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| 13:36.02 | jim | umm, what language is that? |
| 13:36.21 | jim | !fr |
| 13:36.21 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 13:36.23 | jim | maybe? |
| 13:36.46 | Delph | looks like french, but i've no idea about kelkun, though. |
| 13:36.54 | rmrfchik | jim: yes. thank u for help |
| 13:36.55 | FieldySnuts | dachs? |
| 13:37.30 | jim | rmrfchik: you're a quick study... seriously... |
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| 13:37.33 | LiNkSyS | kelkun = someone |
| 13:37.37 | ColonelKernel | Nope, same problem |
| 13:37.49 | ColonelKernel | better w/o RENDERACCEL though |
| 13:37.53 | jim | and a quick typer too... no that one was a little sarcastical :) |
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| 13:38.12 | ColonelKernel | heres what im wondering |
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| 13:38.19 | ColonelKernel | why is the vesafb module loaded |
| 13:38.36 | ColonelKernel | vesafb 6880 0 |
| 13:38.36 | ColonelKernel | cfbcopyarea 4096 1 vesafb |
| 13:38.36 | ColonelKernel | cfbimgblt 3264 1 vesafb |
| 13:38.36 | ColonelKernel | cfbfillrect 4000 1 vesafb |
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| 13:38.45 | ColonelKernel | sorry |
| 13:38.55 | ColonelKernel | im still not understanding that though |
| 13:39.06 | jim | ColonelKernel -> PrivatePop |
| 13:39.23 | sussudio | !fist ColonelKernel |
| 13:39.26 | ColonelKernel | what is privatepop |
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| 13:39.47 | jim | You've been demoted! |
| 13:39.58 | ColonelKernel | doh |
| 13:40.05 | jim | seriously tho, you probably don't need vesafb |
| 13:40.14 | ColonelKernel | I didnt tell it to load |
| 13:40.24 | jim | but you should look into why debian decided to put it in there |
| 13:40.39 | ColonelKernel | Ive got an nvidia card |
| 13:40.46 | ods15 | heh, i think my script is done, i have absoloutely no way of testing it.. |
| 13:40.50 | ColonelKernel | I shouldnt be trying to use fbdevhw at all |
| 13:41.14 | jim | I doubt it has reason to use it; frm what I gather it uses framebuffer to display nonenglish characters in the installer |
| 13:41.16 | ColonelKernel | sorry |
| 13:41.34 | ColonelKernel | I mean I shouldnt be using vesafb at all |
| 13:41.44 | rmrfchik | I think this is because I have debian on my desktop for a... 7(?) years |
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| 13:42.19 | FieldySnuts | fb is lame |
| 13:42.26 | jim | rmrfchik: that explains the quick study... but why the slow typer? :) |
| 13:42.47 | jim | I bet you have 10,000 privmsg conversations going :) |
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| 13:44.03 | Attica | Im having trouble figuring out how to setup a wireless usb card, its a motorola usb wireless card, can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 13:44.26 | petemc | Attica: you need to know the chipset |
| 13:44.45 | petemc | Attica: try lsusb |
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| 13:46.47 | kevin_ | jim: thanx for your help the other day getting my sound working on my IBM laptop. it is now going and in the free for all, I got my desktop res to 800x600 |
| 13:47.02 | rmrfchik | jim: slow typer? I type fast |
| 13:47.03 | ColonelKernel | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=627315#post627315 |
| 13:47.18 | jim | rmrfchik: oh, that part I didn't notice :) |
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| 13:47.51 | morphix | whats the command syntax for groupmod to change a groups id? |
| 13:47.55 | nanok | kevin_: what model of lappy? |
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| 13:48.08 | jim | man groupmod |
| 13:48.24 | jim | (but you saw that coming 20 miles away :P ) |
| 13:48.26 | morphix | jim: it's not very clear, hence why im asking |
| 13:48.27 | rmrfchik | jim: sorry, I play with new gadget -- zaurus.. its pretty cool |
| 13:48.34 | greycat | morphix: I'd just use vigr |
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| 13:48.44 | morphix | oh ok |
| 13:48.49 | jim | mmm... go go gadget rmrfchik ;) |
| 13:49.02 | jim | what does it do? |
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| 13:49.41 | ben_h | hi all |
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| 13:49.59 | morphix | greycat: is there a similiar command for doing userids? |
| 13:50.25 | greycat | vipw of course |
| 13:50.39 | morphix | thanx |
| 13:51.08 | tarzeau2 | i know, i'll fix my isp tonight |
| 13:51.33 | jim | better call them before you fix em :) |
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| 13:52.24 | jim | kevin: were you just now kevin_? |
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| 13:54.36 | Attica | lsusb comes up command not found |
| 13:54.44 | greycat | !installit |
| 13:54.45 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 13:55.34 | Attica | which would be true but lspci works, wouldn't that be the same package? |
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| 13:55.56 | greycat | you tell us. is it? |
| 13:56.18 | Attica | seems like it should be |
| 13:56.22 | greycat | !find bin/lsusb$ sarge |
| 13:56.47 | greycat | !please wait |
| 13:56.53 | greycat | awww. |
| 13:56.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lsusb' (1): (/usr/bin/lsusb, /usr/sbin/lsusb) in utils/usbutils. |
| 13:57.05 | initech | why does my (sarge, post stable release) debian dvd sets Release file say that it's "testing"? after installing, why does all my stuff point to testing? is this fixed in the latest iso's? |
| 13:57.12 | greycat | now, tell me why you think lspci "should" be in the usb utilities. |
| 13:57.14 | resiak | !win greycat |
| 13:57.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 13:57.44 | resiak | initech: Did you get the revised isos or the original ones? This is exactly why the revised ones were issued, I think. |
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| 13:57.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol dpkg |
| 13:57.56 | jim | greycat: cayuse they both start with l? |
| 13:58.02 | ircdevil | exporting a document from openoffice as .doc and opening it in mac word -> fubar. i hate word. i hate openoffice. i hate biology of reproduction. |
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| 13:58.06 | initech | resiak: i guess i got the unrevised ones. boy, that is a major fuck up |
| 13:58.13 | resiak | initech: Yes it is! |
| 13:58.30 | thomas_adam | ircdevil: So do something about it, rather than complaining. |
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| 13:58.33 | greycat | !magic hate ball |
| 13:58.34 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: No the revision was because security updates were off by default in the originals. |
| 13:58.51 | jim | rmrfchik: so tell me more about this gadget you play with... |
| 13:58.58 | ircdevil | thomas_adam: good idea - ill send them the tex file and wait for them to throw it back at me ? |
| 13:59.01 | initech | i submitted a bug the other day and reportbug told me my apt preferred "testing", wtf, I don't even have a preferences file |
| 13:59.08 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Oh. |
| 13:59.15 | initech | and I changed all my shit post install to stable |
| 13:59.32 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Although the testing thing may have been there also. That was the main reason. :) |
| 13:59.45 | ircdevil | thomas_adam: with regards to word - i did something about it. i decided against it years ago - i dont have it no more :o) |
| 13:59.46 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 14:00.14 | jim | looks like if apt wanted to know your preference, it would give it to you :) |
| 14:00.22 | resiak | ircdevil: Send it as RTF? |
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| 14:00.41 | initech | !magic hate ball |
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| 14:00.53 | initech | dpkg: hmph. whatever that is |
| 14:01.03 | resiak | initech: humans? |
| 14:01.33 | jim | initech: liek, anyting wit a two legs and two arms... |
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| 14:01.46 | initech | baboons? |
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| 14:01.50 | initech | marmosets? |
| 14:01.55 | initech | lemurs? |
| 14:01.57 | jim | yeah! those! |
| 14:02.02 | initech | bush babies! |
| 14:02.19 | jim | we have a bush baby in office :P |
| 14:02.46 | initech | jim: someone who voted for bush, or a furry weird looking animal? |
| 14:02.56 | nomad_cz | Hi. Just wondering - is there going to be update for Clamav in volatile repository or shall I use another source ? Thanks a lot. |
| 14:02.56 | initech | not that they are mutually exclusive |
| 14:03.01 | rmrfchik | jim: what do u want to know? Zaurus SL-C860 is linux based pda. 640x480, 128/64 Mb |
| 14:03.09 | cmihai | Is there a doom3 .deb package available? I've search a few repositries and found none. |
| 14:03.19 | rmrfchik | jim: now I install software on it via ssh |
| 14:03.59 | cmihai | I'm talking about the "linux" client for it. It's available as an installer, and you can use the windows cd's to install it on linux, but I would be nice to have a package ;) |
| 14:04.06 | initech | cmihai: i doubt it, it's still payware. the only reason there are quake and doom debs is that they're free-as-in-beer ware or something |
| 14:04.08 | scarynetworkguy | rmrfchik: Yeah. But all the really cool kids run OpenBSD on it. |
| 14:04.34 | Lee__ | but does obsd on the Z have a touch screen? |
| 14:04.38 | initech | scarynetworkguy: after Theo The Rat;s latest rant, I doubt I'll ever use BSD anything |
| 14:04.51 | initech | that guy's a cock |
| 14:04.52 | Lee__ | initech: oh, what's his latest?! |
| 14:04.53 | scarynetworkguy | initech: Your loss. |
| 14:05.04 | greycat | it's hardly a rant, or latest. he's always had a low opinion of the Linux code. |
| 14:05.19 | Lee__ | well Theo is male, therefore your estimation is probably not too far off. |
| 14:05.42 | cmihai | initech: well, the "doom3" for linux client is free as in beer. But you need the windows cd's to play it. |
| 14:06.19 | cmihai | Lee__: it's mostly forbes magazine bull shit. |
| 14:06.22 | jim | initech, no, the guy in the US presidency is a bush baby |
| 14:06.51 | Lee__ | Theo was in Forbes? |
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| 14:06.58 | jim | what about a doom3 server? |
| 14:07.02 | initech | BSD is only for linux haters |
| 14:07.15 | cmihai | Lee__: I mean the magazine that interviewed him. |
| 14:07.25 | gazoo | I like both BSD and Linux :P |
| 14:07.29 | cmihai | Right. |
| 14:07.33 | liable | why do people keep saying 'free as in beer'? where is this free beer?????? |
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| 14:08.06 | jim | liable: you can have all the virtual beer you can get :) |
| 14:08.09 | cmihai | Linux is for people who hate Linux, FreeBSD is for people who hate Linux, NetBSD is for people who hate OpenBSD, OpenBSD is for people who hate everyone else. |
| 14:08.19 | cmihai | insert Windows in the second Linux :) |
| 14:08.20 | rmrfchik | scarynetworkguy: why do I need openbsd? ;) |
| 14:08.29 | cmihai | PF :) |
| 14:08.33 | cmihai | OpenSSH. |
| 14:08.40 | initech | cmihai: windows is for people who hate thinking |
| 14:08.51 | jim | rmrfchik: can the gadget use apt-get now? |
| 14:08.56 | kevin | initech: lol |
| 14:08.58 | cmihai | initech: sure. I do CAD. I use windows. Does that make me stupid ?! |
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| 14:09.01 | cmihai | Ignorance sucks. |
| 14:09.11 | scarynetworkguy | *sigh* |
| 14:09.19 | FieldySnuts | trollfest. |
| 14:09.21 | gazoo | liable "free as in beer" from wikipidia .. Free as in beer refers to things which are available at no monetary cost (like free beer at a party). It can be contrasted with the expressions free as in speech, free as in freedom, or free as in rights, which refer to something which is free of restrictions, as in the freedom of speech. |
| 14:09.21 | jim | no, but it does make you a cad |
| 14:09.22 | jim | user |
| 14:09.28 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
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| 14:09.59 | thomas_adam | Oh, were we meant to laugh? |
| 14:10.07 | krenin_ | greetings |
| 14:10.09 | ods15 | ok, my script is done, i think |
| 14:10.15 | ods15 | is there anyone i should send it to? |
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| 14:10.18 | initech | cmihai: actually I hate apple more than windows |
| 14:10.28 | ods15 | tbh, i haven't actually tested it, because i sort of can't.. |
| 14:10.35 | jim | you should have seen the oranges and pears |
| 14:10.38 | cmihai | Personally I don't care. I don't waste my hate. |
| 14:10.39 | gazoo | initech +1 to that :P |
| 14:10.42 | initech | so to me linux is for apple haters |
| 14:10.44 | initech | :) |
| 14:10.45 | Riva | ok installed lsusb but the command brings back nothing just goes back to prompt |
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| 14:11.03 | tarzeau2 | initech: i've got both |
| 14:11.03 | eXoDuS | ugh, guys im having a bad problem here, i'm missing md5sum, I tried reinstalling dpkg but it only complains about local diversions..and none of the files exist, on sid btw, any ideaS? |
| 14:11.06 | tarzeau2 | initech: and OPENSTEP |
| 14:11.17 | jim | Riva: fire up an xterm, and su to root in it |
| 14:11.20 | ods15 | .. i'll take that as a no.. nobody here knows who should i send this to? |
| 14:11.29 | initech | tarzeau2: who hates openstep? amiga users maybe? |
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| 14:11.42 | jim | Riva: in that root shell, do this: tail -f /var/log/syslog |
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| 14:11.48 | tarzeau2 | initech: nah, they also like it |
| 14:11.53 | jim | then you'll see stuff go by |
| 14:11.58 | eXoDuS | initech: if anyone remembers openstep.. maybe :/ |
| 14:12.03 | giupy_ | anyone that uses wmgrabimage can paste me his/her line for it ? |
| 14:12.09 | tarzeau2 | eXoDuS: i still use it |
| 14:12.21 | eXoDuS | tarzeau: ugh :s |
| 14:12.22 | cmihai | Heh... I still use CDE :) |
| 14:12.22 | initech | yeah, i don't remember openstep, but I hate it now anyway. so there. |
| 14:12.23 | jim | Riva: then pull the usb out, and put it back.... that do anything? if no, we're not tailing the right file |
| 14:12.25 | queuetue | I'm going to sound pretty stupid here, and I deserve the ridicule I get, but if you don't mind, please answer first. :) sarge is now the stable distribution, or did the old unstable get renamed woody? :) (What should sources for apt be for the current stable?) |
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| 14:12.36 | FieldySnuts | postmaaaan!! |
| 14:12.41 | Riva | pull it out? |
| 14:12.47 | rmrfchik | jim: it use some magic "ipkg" tool |
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| 14:12.53 | eXoDuS | queuetue: "stable |
| 14:12.56 | eXoDuS | " |
| 14:13.07 | liable | gazoo: cheers. (for the explanation) I still think that saying sucks. Beer is not free. |
| 14:13.12 | cmihai | queuetue: yep, you do :) Sarge is stable, read the topic. /msg dpkg sarge /msg dpkg woody etc |
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| 14:13.39 | jim | while you're watching the log, pull the usb cable out and plug it back in |
| 14:13.40 | Virtual | how do I access a shared folder on my laptop ? |
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| 14:13.57 | liable | Virtual: with samba of course :) |
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| 14:14.04 | eXoDuS | argh, how the hell i ended not having md5sum, this is pissing me off ... grrr :s |
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| 14:14.07 | jim | Virtual, nfs mount comes to mind |
| 14:14.09 | initech | then there was DeRaadt's ridiculous conclusion that BSD users "get the chicks". I can see Theo trying to pick up girls: "hey babe, have you seen the linux man page for sed?!? GOD does it suck!!" |
| 14:14.26 | greycat | initech: apt-get install sense-of-humor |
| 14:14.41 | jim | initech: they -do- get the chicks; I saw it for myself at a linux show |
| 14:14.43 | initech | greycat: i think he needs that |
| 14:14.45 | bush | i use bsd, and i banged a highschool cheerleader last week. |
| 14:14.51 | greycat | hahaha |
| 14:14.54 | Riva | jim, nothing happened |
| 14:14.58 | e2e | Hi, when i try to copy an audio cd (with gnomebaker, nautilus-cd-burner ...) i get mount error. Is there a way to copy this cd from console? |
| 14:15.01 | eXoDuS | initech: deraadt's is a dick head, you can safely ignore whatever comes from his mouth |
| 14:15.09 | greycat | bush: I hope you're not over 18. |
| 14:15.21 | bush | she was 18, im 21 |
| 14:15.26 | greycat | bush: ok. |
| 14:15.31 | bush | its all good :) |
| 14:15.33 | liable | sheesh |
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| 14:15.45 | cmihai | "I'm 18, really" ....I've heard that one like 1 million times... |
| 14:15.51 | jim | Riva: ok, we have the wrong file,,, hit ctrl-c on the tail, and try |
| 14:15.56 | bush | i asked for ID |
| 14:15.57 | bush | :D |
| 14:16.01 | cmihai | lol |
| 14:16.01 | jim | tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 14:16.02 | initech | cmihai: if there's grass on the field, play ball :) |
| 14:16.04 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 14:16.06 | FieldySnuts | ohm y |
| 14:16.08 | Lee__ | !openbsd |
| 14:16.08 | dpkg | [openbsd] a secure operating system found at http://www.openbsd.org, or has an IRC channel on efnet/#openbsd, they're pretty helpful, or check out http://www.nomoa.com/bsd/, or warms a fascist sysadmin's cold, dead heart, or one remote hole in default install in nearly 6 years, or 7 years and counting |
| 14:16.16 | greycat | efnet?? |
| 14:16.19 | greycat | they have one *here*. |
| 14:16.22 | cmihai | There's one here. |
| 14:16.25 | FieldySnuts | scriptkiddienet? |
| 14:16.28 | Lee__ | well that's old |
| 14:16.41 | greycat | that whole factoid's a bit dodgy |
| 14:16.43 | green_earz | e2e: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/name.iso so it the dd command you need to look at |
| 14:16.44 | Riva | command -f not found, another package i should get? |
| 14:16.48 | dotirc | Hi there! |
| 14:17.00 | cmihai | bs=something ...or else it's slow as hell |
| 14:17.05 | FieldySnuts | tail -f .... man tail |
| 14:17.09 | cmihai | bs=2048 works ok for me. |
| 14:17.21 | jim | tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 14:17.35 | RichiH | greycat: seems someone wants to advertise his channel over there :p |
| 14:17.55 | jim | what log file does usb connects/disconnects get logged to |
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| 14:18.09 | greycat | dpkg, no, openbsd is a secure Unix-like operating system (www.openbsd.org), forked from NetBSD, with emphasis on security and portability. Led by Theo de Raadt, a person nearly as beloved as Dan Bernstein. One remote hole in the default install in over 8 years. |
| 14:18.10 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 14:18.23 | dotirc | I'v got problems to install my Bewan adsl modem in Debian, could someone helm me? |
| 14:18.26 | greycat | oops, secure was used twice. |
| 14:18.33 | bush | append "it gets the chicks" to the end of that |
| 14:18.34 | RichiH | jim: dmesg |
| 14:18.42 | liable | jim: syslog, dmesg will tell ya. |
| 14:18.47 | konstanze | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.49 | jim | tried syslog |
| 14:18.49 | greycat | bush: 3 years from now nobody's going to get that... |
| 14:18.53 | jim | wasn't there |
| 14:19.32 | Riva | still nothing |
| 14:19.39 | eXoDuS | what package is supposed to have md5sum in it in sid? |
| 14:20.07 | greycat | !find bin/md5sum$ sid |
| 14:20.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/md5sum' (1): (/usr/lib/maxdb/devtools/bin/md5sum) in devel/maxdb-buildtools. |
| 14:20.23 | greycat | um. |
| 14:20.35 | eXoDuS | i couldnt find it using the debian search, that's why im asking :) |
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| 14:20.52 | jim | this one booth bunny in a hawaiian grass skirt and handing out leis would give a lei to all the bsders because they were wearing the horns, so she thought they were horny |
| 14:21.12 | greycat | eXoDuS: I think it's coreutils. there's some confusing output about diversions in dpkg -S on my sid box. |
| 14:21.28 | greycat | local diversion from: /usr/bin/md5sum.textutils |
| 14:21.28 | greycat | local diversion to: /usr/bin/md5sum |
| 14:21.28 | greycat | coreutils: /usr/bin/md5sum.textutils |
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| 14:22.05 | eXoDuS | greycat: that the diversion for md5sum is md5sum.textutils? |
| 14:22.15 | greycat | eXoDuS: try installing the latest coreutils and see if it's fixed. |
| 14:22.20 | eXoDuS | anyway it seems to be coreutils, i had an awkward version of it installed, reinstalling now |
| 14:22.32 | eXoDuS | yup, that did it, thanks |
| 14:22.39 | greycat | there was a note about this in a recent d-d-a message, which you SHOULD have read... |
| 14:22.45 | greycat | I simply don't recall precisely what it said. |
| 14:22.52 | eXoDuS | i SHOULD ? |
| 14:22.56 | greycat | YES. |
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| 14:23.02 | eXoDuS | wow :) |
| 14:23.06 | greycat | If you run sid, you should be subscribed to d-d-a. PERIOD. |
| 14:23.24 | dotirc | Please HELP ME installing my bewan adsl usb modem |
| 14:23.26 | eXoDuS | umm, i haven't in the past 4-5 years :P |
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| 14:23.53 | hikenboot_ | does anyone know how i get the sun station to resume booting from the hard drive once i have installed debian from a tftp server? |
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| 14:24.15 | FieldySnuts | dotirc: usb connected modems often don't work in linux, but only in windows. if it has an ethernet interface, use that, you'll save a LOT of trouble |
| 14:24.26 | FieldySnuts | trying to get usb modems that would work is even too much of a pain. |
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| 14:25.04 | liable | !tell dotirc about smart questions |
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| 14:25.47 | QUACH-214 | i just add a symlink for a folder,, what is autostart file i should add that link so that after reboot will that link active? |
| 14:25.57 | FieldySnuts | s/folder/directory/ |
| 14:26.04 | QUACH-214 | ?? |
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| 14:27.18 | eXoDuS | QUACH-214: he's trying to tell you that folders is a term not used in linux |
| 14:27.41 | greycat | except in the context of an MUA |
| 14:28.12 | greycat | QUACH-214: read /etc/init.d/README and man update-rc.d and consider installing rcconf |
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| 14:28.42 | directhex|work | i think nitpicking between "folder" and "directory" is a far from efficient use of time |
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| 14:29.14 | greycat | directhex|work: probably. but all the Unix tools use 'directory'. ls -l shows it as a "d", find uses "-type d", etc. |
| 14:29.20 | greycat | so it's educational... sort of. |
| 14:30.06 | QUACH-214 | o i sê |
| 14:30.15 | directhex|work | greycat, as long as one is aware of the fact that they're the same, i'd rather use the shorter term. but maybe i've just been corrupted by 10 years of windows 4.0+ |
| 14:30.20 | dotirc | does someone knows on witch sarge CD is the cinepaint package? |
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| 14:30.39 | Xuse | does it really matter what you call them? |
| 14:30.39 | greycat | dotirc: no, we don't. just install it with apt-get from the network like the other billion debian users. |
| 14:30.42 | eXoDuS | QUACH-214: o i s? |
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| 14:30.46 | Shanna` | hello |
| 14:30.49 | scarynetworkguy | directhex|work: To me it's all about teaching and spreading the culture/philosophy. Which I see as a good thing. |
| 14:30.51 | eXoDuS | QUACH-214: is that chinese? |
| 14:30.52 | Shanna` | how to run the thttpd? |
| 14:31.02 | greycat | eXoDuS: perhaps he's referring to the van halen album OICU812 |
| 14:31.03 | calyth | is a socket considered a dev if I enable nodev in a file system? |
| 14:31.03 | QUACH-214 | oh no hii vietnamese |
| 14:31.14 | snail | I'm looking for a jabber oriented chat client in sarge, can anyone suggest one? |
| 14:31.19 | eXoDuS | greycat: ahh, that must be it, he must be using an xmms-irc plugin then |
| 14:31.38 | directhex|work | snail, apt-cache search jabber client |
| 14:31.39 | eXoDuS | snail: gaim |
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| 14:32.33 | dotirc | i can't get connected from apt-get. It doesn't see my usb modem |
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| 14:32.53 | greycat | so get hardware that does not suck. |
| 14:32.58 | eXoDuS | hehe |
| 14:33.00 | eXoDuS | i was about to say that |
| 14:33.01 | eXoDuS | :p |
| 14:33.05 | Shanna` | someone help me please, i wanna run the thttpd? |
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| 14:33.16 | dotirc | thanks a lot to all of you§ |
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| 14:33.25 | Jamiz | hey |
| 14:33.27 | thomas_adam | Shanna`: /etc/init.d/thttpd start ? |
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| 14:33.46 | Shanna` | oki |
| 14:33.48 | eXoDuS | root: sigh, this is getting old... DONT IRC AS ROOT DAMMIT |
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| 14:34.29 | greycat | root: man adduser |
| 14:34.32 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: That's just crazy enough to work. |
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| 14:34.40 | eXoDuS | i think there should be a ban set here... root@*!* |
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| 14:34.42 | thomas_adam | It's what he asked for. |
| 14:34.46 | greycat | eXoDuS: there's a +q already. |
| 14:34.51 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Heh. Yes it was. |
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| 14:35.00 | eXoDuS | greycat: ahh, so they can't whine why they are as root? |
| 14:35.04 | greycat | eXoDuS: when they join, apt /msg's them with the "root" factoid, and sometimes humiliates them as you just saw. |
| 14:35.12 | eXoDuS | hehe |
| 14:35.45 | cmihai | "Some individuals and distributions are repackaging id software releases for Linux into their own installers. We need to insist here again that this is not legal" |
| 14:35.50 | cmihai | Bloody bastards. |
| 14:35.51 | calyth | greycat: just curious why won't apt just simply kick root out? |
| 14:36.08 | eXoDuS | cmihai: bloody bastards why? |
| 14:36.09 | greycat | calyth: do you see an "@" sign on apt? |
| 14:36.15 | cmihai | ID :) |
| 14:36.18 | thomas_adam | It's not freenode policy to needlessly kick people from channels, AFAIK. |
| 14:36.23 | xzgv | hi all, i got Sarge on the hda with XFS and Lilo on the MBR, it has no boot dialog box to show the OS to boot. If i install Sid on my hdd, with Lilo to the MBR will i get a box to choose which Debian i want or do i have to add some extra package and edit the lilo.conf? |
| 14:36.26 | cmihai | I see why there are no packkages for the installer. |
| 14:36.27 | rage | calyth: they'de come back anyway asking why they were kicked |
| 14:36.29 | calyth | greycat: oh... didn' t quite pay attention to that :p |
| 14:36.35 | calyth | true |
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| 14:36.46 | directhex|work | cmihai, there was one on liflg.org last i checked, but anyhoo |
| 14:36.46 | eXoDuS | xzgv: man lilo.conf or use grub |
| 14:37.01 | cmihai | "You can not tamper with id software's intellectual property by redistributing the games under a modified form. The only distribution format for Id games on Linux is the installer we provide." |
| 14:37.02 | directhex|work | cmihai, and as for bloody bastards, iD have been developing linux games for over 10 years |
| 14:37.11 | cmihai | directhex|work: well, it's ilegal then. |
| 14:37.22 | xzgv | eXoDuS, grub doesn't work with XFS as per the net-installer |
| 14:37.42 | eXoDuS | xzgv: ah, that might be true, my bad then, man lilo.conf then |
| 14:37.43 | rage | ... grub doesnt work with XFS? when did this happen? |
| 14:37.56 | eXoDuS | directhex|work: indeed |
| 14:38.02 | eXoDuS | i don't see why they are bloody bastards |
| 14:38.10 | eXoDuS | if you pay for the game you are agreeing to their license |
| 14:38.17 | cmihai | directhex|work: I know, I usualy love ID. Still, this EULA bull shit... I mean, there's no _logical_ reason _not_ to package the installer. It's free anyway (as in you can download it free) and you still need the disks... |
| 14:38.18 | eXoDuS | just like you have agreed to the GPL when you installed debian |
| 14:38.39 | Shanna` | someone try fix this plz: my thttpd server is working, and i uploaded some pages, when i open the reverse dns name, it opens the pages, is there a way to cancel this? |
| 14:38.44 | eXoDuS | cmihai: if they want it that way they must have a reason |
| 14:38.46 | xzgv | rage: when you choose grub, with XFS, the installer directs to install Lilo. |
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| 14:39.08 | rage | mmm okay |
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| 14:39.54 | scarynetworkguy | cmihai: It comes down to liability and reputation. That and name another game company that has opensourced as much code as they have? |
| 14:39.55 | directhex|work | the reason is to try and prevent people from making unauthorised releases of the game (usually pirate, or hacked, etc) |
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| 14:40.28 | cmihai | scarynetworkguy: I know, I was over-reacting. I love ID, but this kind of pissed me off. |
| 14:40.41 | directhex|work | iD can tell the future. they were already talking about linux and woody back in 1994 |
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| 14:41.11 | abydos | this is incredibly odd |
| 14:41.17 | cmihai | It's the phraze "Some individuals and distributions are repackaging id software releases for Linux into their own installers. We need to insist here again that this is not legal." than sounded ... strange |
| 14:41.22 | Riva | can anyone else help me with my motorola usb wireless card, haven't really gotten anywhere other than try lsusb which doesn't do anything |
| 14:41.25 | FieldySnuts | eh if I'm treated like a criminal by default, THEN if proven not to be, I can use their software, you can go to hell as far as I'm considered. |
| 14:41.29 | Lee__ | would someone know a list of hardware SCSI RAID controllers with stable 2.6 drivers? |
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| 14:41.32 | abydos | Firefox seems to be completely ignoring X keymaps when ctrl is pressed |
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| 14:41.54 | FieldySnuts | the whole closed source thing bothers me too |
| 14:41.55 | abydos | I have to find the qwerty T key to open a new tab |
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| 14:41.57 | petemc | abydos: firefox has its own shortcuts using ctl, no? |
| 14:41.57 | greycat | perhaps your keymaps aren't set up properly when the Ctrl modifier key is active |
| 14:42.13 | abydos | petemc: yes, but you'd think it would respect my dvorak keymap |
| 14:42.31 | abydos | greycat: It happens in no other application, only firefox. |
| 14:42.38 | Riva | can anyone else help me with my motorola usb wireless card, haven't really gotten anywhere other than try lsusb which doesn't do anything |
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| 14:42.44 | cmihai | Not even... mozilla ?! |
| 14:42.46 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, so wait a few years for them to GPL it |
| 14:42.54 | thomas_adam | abydos: Which WM is this? |
| 14:42.56 | abydos | cmihai: Haven't checked that. |
| 14:42.59 | abydos | thomas_adam: Metacity |
| 14:43.06 | kdawg | I've heard about a repository for stable that has the often changing packages in it like spamassassin, clam-av, but I can't remember the name of it. What is it and did it ever get in place? |
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| 14:43.17 | directhex|work | volatile |
| 14:43.25 | thomas_adam | abydos: I don't use that -- maybe #gnome knows? |
| 14:43.36 | kdawg | directhex|work: Ahah! Thanks! |
| 14:43.46 | abydos | perhaps, but I think everyone in tehre is zombie-ing |
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| 14:44.04 | thomas_adam | abydos: Caerful... maybe you should /msg dpkg they don't know |
| 14:44.10 | master_of_master | hi, how can I create a link in /dev/ that is there even after a reboot? I'm using sarge@2.6.8. |
| 14:44.18 | thomas_adam | master_of_master: Umm, why? |
| 14:44.41 | directhex|work | edit your udev config files. |
| 14:44.49 | master_of_master | in /dev/: ln -s ttyS0 mouse |
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| 14:44.53 | intension | !hi |
| 14:44.53 | dpkg | hello, intension |
| 14:44.58 | intension | hi dpkg |
| 14:45.11 | cmihai | lol ?! |
| 14:45.16 | abydos | thomas_adam: I understand. |
| 14:45.24 | Shanna` | HAI |
| 14:45.35 | Shanna` | I WONNA HELB PLESE |
| 14:45.51 | Shanna` | ONE HELB MEE PLESE |
| 14:45.54 | Shanna` | OK? |
| 14:45.55 | intension | Shanna` hehe |
| 14:46.00 | intension | Shanna` whats up |
| 14:46.07 | abydos | Please tell me you're kidding. |
| 14:46.15 | Shanna` | I WONNA HELB IN LINUX |
| 14:46.21 | intension | Shanna` we all do |
| 14:46.22 | greycat | jesus christ. |
| 14:46.27 | Jamiz | beginner question: how can i kick an user out of the shell? |
| 14:46.28 | Shanna` | WANT DOWNLOD WOODY |
| 14:46.28 | thomas_adam | Shanna`: We've told you already. |
| 14:46.34 | Xuse | ... |
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| 14:46.37 | greycat | Shanna`: don't. woody is old. use sarge. |
| 14:46.41 | Shanna` | NO U NOT |
| 14:46.47 | simonrvn | Shanna`: you might want sarge instead. it's stable now |
| 14:46.48 | thomas_adam | Jamiz: Kill their login shell. |
| 14:46.50 | abydos | Jamiz: as in, slay that user? |
| 14:46.59 | greycat | Shanna`: now stop acting like a moron, or I'll ban you as a troll. |
| 14:46.59 | cmihai | Shanna`: please, remove the from the shift key. |
| 14:46.59 | Shanna` | IT BECOME STABLE NAW? |
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| 14:47.08 | thomas_adam | Shanna`: can you stop with the caps? |
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| 14:47.10 | Zarox | hello |
| 14:47.10 | simonrvn | Shanna`: yes |
| 14:47.14 | Shanna` | ok |
| 14:47.15 | intension | Shanna` please no caps |
| 14:47.25 | Shanna` | from where i donwload it? |
| 14:47.25 | Jamiz | its an login from yesterday |
| 14:47.30 | Zarox | can anyone help me install apache ant ? im new with debian :/ |
| 14:47.33 | Jamiz | its not timed out |
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| 14:47.38 | simonrvn | Shanna`: same place as woody, www.debian.org |
| 14:47.38 | cmihai | Zarox: apt-get ant... |
| 14:47.40 | greycat | what is "apache ant"? |
| 14:47.41 | Jamiz | sorry for my english |
| 14:47.43 | Zarox | lol |
| 14:47.46 | asg | greycat: java build system |
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| 14:47.48 | Zarox | that easy ? |
| 14:47.48 | greycat | !d-i Shanna` |
| 14:47.48 | cmihai | greycat: java compiler... sort of |
| 14:47.49 | dpkg | Shanna`, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:47.56 | cmihai | Uses xml files for configs |
| 14:47.58 | greycat | asg: I know what ant is. what does that have to do with apache? |
| 14:47.59 | Shanna` | ok |
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| 14:48.06 | simonrvn | oh, might want to change that URI |
| 14:48.09 | cmihai | They made it ?! Dunno |
| 14:48.10 | simonrvn | i'll go check |
| 14:48.11 | asg | greycat: they host it now, it's an official project |
| 14:48.15 | cmihai | That's what it's called. |
| 14:48.18 | greycat | asg: oh. |
| 14:48.21 | cmihai | apt-get install ant :) |
| 14:48.23 | Shanna` | what i download exactly? |
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| 14:48.34 | Zarox | cmihai |
| 14:48.36 | Jamiz | thomas_adam? |
| 14:48.40 | Zarox | apt get ant doesnt work |
| 14:48.45 | simonrvn | Shanna`: floppies or cd 1, depending on what you need |
| 14:48.51 | abydos | Zarox: apt-cache search ant |
| 14:48.52 | thomas_adam | Jamiz: Hmm? |
| 14:48.53 | Shanna` | no dcs |
| 14:48.58 | Shanna` | which i download exactly? |
| 14:49.02 | Shanna` | cds* |
| 14:49.03 | intension | Shanna` http://debian.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/images/3.0_r5/i386/debian-30r5-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 14:49.05 | Jamiz | sowhat like killing an process |
| 14:49.06 | thomas_adam | Shanna`: Christ... |
| 14:49.10 | Jamiz | killuser... |
| 14:49.18 | greycat | dpkg, d-i =~ s#http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/#http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer# |
| 14:49.18 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 14:49.19 | simonrvn | Shanna`: then the floppies. the site will tell you where. just follow the links |
| 14:49.26 | Shanna` | download this only? |
| 14:49.27 | thomas_adam | Jamiz: I told you. |
| 14:49.32 | Shanna` | and then put on cd? |
| 14:49.44 | greycat | intension: why the hell did you paste that? |
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| 14:49.52 | intension | sorry greycat |
| 14:49.52 | Zarox | odd it finds it |
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| 14:50.10 | Zarox | but then |
| 14:50.10 | Zarox | pt-get ant |
| 14:50.11 | Zarox | E: Invalid operation ant |
| 14:50.20 | greycat | Zarox: man apt-get |
| 14:50.22 | simonrvn | Shanna`: you just said 'no cds' so i said get the floppies. do you want the cd? then get the cd |
| 14:50.26 | Zarox | thx |
| 14:50.27 | Shanna` | what is CD ISO images? |
| 14:50.37 | thomas_adam | Hmm. |
| 14:50.38 | greycat | Shanna`: you burn them onto CD-Rs. |
| 14:50.39 | Jamiz | whats the command i didnt see you post |
| 14:50.42 | simonrvn | Shanna`: an iso is a cd image. you burn that |
| 14:50.49 | Jamiz | sorry |
| 14:50.49 | Shanna` | ok |
| 14:50.52 | Shanna` | how many cds i need? |
| 14:50.56 | greycat | Shanna`: just one. |
| 14:50.58 | thomas_adam | Jamiz: I merely said kill the user's login shell. So that would be 'man ps' and friends. |
| 14:51.02 | theine | Hi, how do I create a new `debconf-managed' XF86Config-4 from scratch with dpkg-reconfigure (or any other utility for that matter)? |
| 14:51.08 | simonrvn | Shanna`: you burn it onto a blank cd. only the first, net install |
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| 14:51.12 | Jamiz | thx |
| 14:51.22 | abydos | Zarox: they failed to give you proper instructions. apt-get requires a directive before package names. read the fine manual :) |
| 14:51.32 | Shanna` | i dont know which one i download, iam lost |
| 14:51.32 | thomas_adam | theine: /msg dpkg xmd5sum |
| 14:51.39 | Zarox | thx |
| 14:51.43 | simonrvn | Shanna`: sec |
| 14:51.44 | greycat | Shanna`: ask a SPECIFIC question. |
| 14:51.45 | Zarox | I forgot to use install w/e |
| 14:51.46 | Zarox | lol |
| 14:51.54 | Shanna` | greycat: which is the link for it? |
| 14:51.58 | theine | thomas_adam, thanks a lot |
| 14:52.00 | simonrvn | Shanna`: what is the architecture of your machine? |
| 14:52.02 | greycat | !d-i Shanna` |
| 14:52.02 | dpkg | Shanna`, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:52.05 | Zarox | Apache Ant version 1.6.2 compiled on September 28 2004 |
| 14:52.08 | simonrvn | hey |
| 14:52.08 | greycat | bah. |
| 14:52.08 | Zarox | thx loads guys |
| 14:52.13 | simonrvn | it didn't correct |
| 14:52.19 | Shanna` | simonrvn: what u mean with "architecture" ? |
| 14:52.27 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: d-i (.*?) =~ s#http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/#http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer# |
| 14:52.28 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 14:52.29 | simonrvn | Shanna`: type of CPU |
| 14:52.41 | greycat | Shanna`: is it a PC? a mac? an amiga? a NeXTstation cube? |
| 14:52.47 | simonrvn | Shanna`: powerpc, x86, alpha, etc. |
| 14:52.50 | thomas_adam | Shanna`: Why are you making this more painful than it needs to be? If you don't know half this information, Linux really isn't for you. |
| 14:52.54 | simonrvn | yeh, thanks :) |
| 14:53.03 | greycat | !d-i Shanna` |
| 14:53.04 | dpkg | Shanna`, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:53.07 | Shanna` | p4, 2.8 processor, 120HD, 256 RAM, floppdy, CD-ROM, etc... |
| 14:53.10 | simonrvn | ah, good |
| 14:53.11 | greycat | !i386 |
| 14:53.12 | dpkg | i heard i386 is the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. if you want i386 in sarge, try compiling from source. |
| 14:53.14 | simonrvn | ok, x86 |
| 14:53.31 | greycat | what the hell is that last line? |
| 14:53.32 | simonrvn | Shanna`: get this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:53.42 | thomas_adam | More gentoo-fools again. |
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| 14:53.57 | bush | i think Shanna` needs ubuntu |
| 14:53.57 | FieldySnuts | i doubt it |
| 14:54.02 | greycat | dpkg, i386 =~ s/ if you want i386 in sarge, try compiling from source.// |
| 14:54.02 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 14:54.03 | Shanna` | simonrvn: why u choose this exactly? what is the difference between the others? |
| 14:54.12 | thomas_adam | Ah, that was added by Supaplex. |
| 14:54.15 | simonrvn | Shanna`: it's the right one for your machine |
| 14:54.24 | thomas_adam | Supaplex: Fool. |
| 14:54.37 | Shanna` | ok |
| 14:54.46 | FieldySnuts | thomas_adam: badger? |
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| 14:54.57 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 14:54.59 | Shanna` | what is the netinst and business CD image, and full CD sets, and etc.. ? |
| 14:55.06 | thomas_adam | Shanna`: It tells you. |
| 14:55.10 | greycat | Shanna`: READ THE DOCUMENTATION. |
| 14:55.13 | thomas_adam | Shanna`: Netinst includes base. |
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| 14:55.28 | Shanna` | which one i download? |
| 14:55.31 | Shanna` | iam worried |
| 14:55.32 | bush | ugh. |
| 14:55.38 | Shanna` | it may cause harm to my box :< |
| 14:55.39 | thomas_adam | Shanna`: None of them. Just go away. |
| 14:55.41 | bush | Shanna`: sell your pc and buy a mac |
| 14:55.43 | paulswm | I'm running a kernel build with distcc, and it passed out the inital compiles OK, but it is insisting on doing all the modules serially on the one machine, what's up with that, is it dependeicnies, or what? |
| 14:55.46 | intension | Shanna` lol |
| 14:55.48 | greycat | thomas_adam: more importantly, it says 'read our <a href="...">Installation Guide</a>' right there on that page. |
| 14:55.50 | Shanna` | :( |
| 14:55.54 | thomas_adam | Aye. |
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| 14:56.02 | intension | Shanna` i hope you like reading a lot |
| 14:56.07 | simonrvn | Shanna`: net inst is net install, the one i mentioned earlier, it's small, and does the install after the intial base install from the net. full is ~650 MB, and cd 1 (of 14 ?), and business one is small enough to fit on a mini cd |
| 14:56.11 | thomas_adam | Shanna`: Go with the netinst iso. |
| 14:56.21 | simonrvn | Shanna`: you can find more info on the debian web site |
| 14:56.30 | Shanna` | aha |
| 14:56.31 | Shanna` | ok |
| 14:56.37 | Shanna` | i will read now :) |
| 14:56.38 | Shanna` | thanx |
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| 14:56.55 | simonrvn | np |
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| 14:58.36 | paulswm | snakeeyes! |
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| 14:58.54 | Shanna` | if its my first time to use LINUX, is it bad to install it myself? |
| 14:58.55 | paulswm | :D |
| 14:59.21 | simonrvn | Shanna`: can't hurt to try. you might also want to read the installation guide |
| 14:59.25 | simonrvn | @install guide |
| 14:59.25 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
| 14:59.33 | Xuse | Shanna if you can read, it's no problem. |
| 14:59.35 | simonrvn | read the sarge one |
| 14:59.47 | Shanna` | ok |
| 14:59.59 | Shanna` | its good Debian have colors in bash now :D |
| 15:00.05 | Shanna` | i love it |
| 15:00.13 | randey | what packages are required for make xconfig for 2.6 |
| 15:00.15 | simonrvn | thank the terminfo authors |
| 15:00.20 | Xuse | err mines doesn't. |
| 15:00.21 | thomas_adam | That's a facet of the shell.... it's been there in all disros that use bash, ls and dircolors/ |
| 15:00.27 | greycat | Xuse: you have to enable it. |
| 15:00.28 | simonrvn | and the bash ones for supporting terminfo |
| 15:00.36 | greycat | Xuse: Shanna` is quite obviously not being fully honest with us. |
| 15:00.45 | Xuse | I don't like colors, anyway. ;p |
| 15:00.49 | Shanna` | greycat: why? |
| 15:00.57 | intension | Shanna` are u in bash ? |
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| 15:01.20 | Shanna` | no i mean, i know it have colors now, coz iam renting a debian box |
| 15:01.20 | greycat | Shanna`: first, you're in #thttpd. second, you claim to that debian has colorized ls (you said bash but I assume you meant ls), but you also claim you haven't installed it yet. |
| 15:01.26 | Shanna` | but didnot setup it my self |
| 15:01.29 | randey | what kde packages required to get make xconfig ? |
| 15:01.30 | paulswm | Kind of defeats the point of using distcc if make-kpkg only distributes the initial compils and instists on compiling all the modules serially on the same machine, as that's like 80% of the standard kernel built. |
| 15:01.45 | Shanna` | got my point? |
| 15:01.55 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: in that case consider ccache |
| 15:02.04 | FieldySnuts | in addition. |
| 15:02.31 | intension | Shanna` yes, you are a fifty year old guy pretending to be a little noob |
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| 15:03.15 | greycat | Shanna`: not to mention that you started out here saying "Shanna`> I WONNA HELB PLESE" and now you've graduated to "Shanna`> if its my first time to use LINUX, is it bad to install it myself?" |
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| 15:03.21 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: using ccache, have done for years, but I thought that fronting distcc with ccache would be the dog's bollocks, so I am testing distcc by clearing ccache and running a standard compile. |
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| 15:03.40 | Shanna` | Assemble images using jigdo, or Download CD images with BitTorrent ? |
| 15:03.49 | greycat | bit torrent is MUCH easier. |
| 15:04.09 | greycat | unless you're inside a firewall that blockx it |
| 15:04.13 | greycat | s/x/s/ |
| 15:04.25 | FieldySnuts | heh thought you were going leetspeek on is for a second |
| 15:04.34 | FieldySnuts | s/is/us/ |
| 15:04.38 | Shanna` | huh? |
| 15:04.42 | dotirc | Can someone tell me where are the kernel sources in debian 3.1 r0a i386? |
| 15:04.49 | greycat | FieldySnuts: no, if that were the case, I'd have gone for bl0x0rz |
| 15:04.54 | FieldySnuts | ouch |
| 15:04.59 | simonrvn | FYI, Shanna`'s IP is assigned to AFRINIC |
| 15:05.00 | FieldySnuts | !be a TCP/IP barbie |
| 15:05.01 | dpkg | Aww, TCP/IP is hard! Let's go shopping, fieldysnuts |
| 15:05.07 | simonrvn | from RIPE |
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| 15:05.34 | greycat | dotirc: apt-cache search --names-only kernel source |
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| 15:05.51 | prodope | is it a good idea to have /boot as a seperate partition on a small (40gb) system? |
| 15:05.57 | Shanna` | Assemble images using jigdo, or Download CD images with BitTorrent ? |
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| 15:06.00 | greycat | prodope: I don't bother |
| 15:06.01 | Shanna` | tell me please. |
| 15:06.08 | FieldySnuts | always a good idea to have /boot a seperate partition, and set it noauto |
| 15:06.08 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 15:06.15 | kobs | use sneakernet |
| 15:06.16 | green_earz | dotirc: or you can use aptitude |
| 15:06.17 | FieldySnuts | personal preferance, i'll scale it back to that |
| 15:06.32 | FieldySnuts | kobs: I bet i can count the number of people who know what that is on 2 hands and 2 feet |
| 15:06.41 | FieldySnuts | er, in here |
| 15:06.41 | kobs | :D |
| 15:06.41 | Xuse | Shanna you must be blind, greycat told you to use bittorrent because it's easier. |
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| 15:06.52 | greycat | also note that if your root file system is xfs and you want to use grub, you need a separate /boot |
| 15:06.54 | paulswm | What, greycat, just *plonk* without first resorting to caps? :P |
| 15:06.56 | Shanna` | ok |
| 15:06.58 | Shanna` | thanx |
| 15:07.08 | FieldySnuts | PRESS PLAY |
| 15:07.20 | kobs | I only know it because one of my professors mentioned it ;-) |
| 15:07.30 | simonrvn | greycat: i have / xfs, and it boots |
| 15:07.37 | Shanna` | [alpha] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] |
| 15:07.39 | Shanna` | which one? :D |
| 15:07.40 | simonrvn | greycat: no sep. /boot |
| 15:07.46 | greycat | simonrvn: oh? I thought grub couldn't read XFS yet. |
| 15:07.47 | FieldySnuts | damn, read the docs, Shanna` |
| 15:07.49 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 15:07.51 | simonrvn | does now |
| 15:07.57 | Shanna` | tell me |
| 15:08.00 | FieldySnuts | screw it, /ignore Shanna`*!*@* all |
| 15:08.02 | Shanna` | my english is bad |
| 15:08.02 | Shanna` | :< |
| 15:08.02 | simonrvn | i386 |
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| 15:08.04 | FieldySnuts | copy n paste folks |
| 15:08.11 | lcore | Subversion 2 repositories: Is threre a way to move a single project from one multiproject repository to another repository? |
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| 15:08.18 | paulswm | Shanna`: read the docs, they are in several languages. |
| 15:08.19 | FieldySnuts | your english is fine. your comprehension is what sucks, and you're very annoying. |
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| 15:08.30 | Shanna` | where i get docs? |
| 15:08.36 | Xuse | ... |
| 15:08.41 | intension | Shanna` at the hosptital |
| 15:08.45 | Xuse | haha |
| 15:08.53 | intension | Shanna` try i386 |
| 15:08.55 | paulswm | !prize intension |
| 15:09.06 | Shanna` | if it is a wrong one, it harm my PC? |
| 15:09.15 | intension | Shanna` noooooooooooo |
| 15:09.16 | Xuse | Yes, it will explode. |
| 15:09.17 | simonrvn | no, it won't boot, that's all |
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| 15:09.30 | Shanna` | whats boot? |
| 15:09.47 | Shanna` | hi |
| 15:10.00 | simonrvn | dictionary, my friend. use one |
| 15:10.20 | paulswm | I feel a bash.org entry coming on. |
| 15:10.36 | Shanna` | ok punks |
| 15:10.40 | Shanna` | i was joking with you |
| 15:10.45 | Shanna` | its Kevin in here |
| 15:10.48 | Shanna` | have a g'day |
| 15:10.49 | Shanna` | cya |
| 15:10.58 | simonrvn | the joke is wearing very thin |
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| 15:11.04 | xydarcher | hi, is there any tool can help me get the collisions on the LAN? |
| 15:11.09 | paulswm | Shanna`: jerk. |
| 15:11.19 | green_earz | Shanna: have a look the > Debian Installation Manual > http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#install-sarge |
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| 15:11.27 | thomas_adam | Who's Kevin? |
| 15:11.31 | Shanna` | Kevin Mitnich never been a "JERK" |
| 15:11.37 | paulswm | Evidently an idiot. |
| 15:11.39 | sobersabre | why do i have problems with sl-modem-daemon package ? |
| 15:11.44 | Xuse | Everyone knows kevein. |
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| 15:11.48 | Xuse | kevin* |
| 15:11.50 | thomas_adam | sobersabre: What problems? |
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| 15:11.57 | sobersabre | i get this: |
| 15:12.04 | paulswm | banbanban |
| 15:12.05 | sobersabre | sl-modem-daemon: Depends: sl-modem-modules-new but it is not installable |
| 15:12.07 | faw | I'm trying to install sarge in a Unisys Aquanta (i386) but when it reboots for the first time, GRUB stops with a "paragraph sign" (§) no errors |
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| 15:12.49 | sobersabre | thomas_adam, i do have sl-modem-module installed |
| 15:13.03 | sobersabre | what is unisys aquanta |
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| 15:13.21 | hoch | hi |
| 15:13.36 | hoch | anybody there ? |
| 15:13.43 | greycat | no |
| 15:13.44 | simonrvn | no |
| 15:13.51 | hoch | i am a new linux user |
| 15:13.57 | simonrvn | welcome |
| 15:13.59 | hoch | from india |
| 15:14.25 | greycat | faw: maybe the BIOS is very bizarre. Ask #debian-boot.... |
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| 15:15.27 | ColonelKernel | mkinitrd isnt a part of make install on debian? |
| 15:15.40 | ColonelKernel | :(( |
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| 15:15.44 | green_earz | hoch: here is a use full doc for debian > Debian Reference > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
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| 15:15.51 | ColonelKernel | I so forgot how to do that |
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| 15:16.15 | mtnman | ColonelKernel: okay, so we know your rank, is your name RogerRoger? |
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| 15:16.31 | simonrvn | hehe. or RogerRodger ;p |
| 15:16.33 | greycat | ColonelKernel: /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:16.41 | mtnman | simonrvn: even better |
| 15:16.50 | faw | greycat, thanks, I will... |
| 15:18.00 | mtnman | simonrvn: we have a lift mechanic on the ski hill named Roger. You can imagine the radio response to any transmission he makes. |
| 15:18.01 | ColonelKernel | Um no, no thanks, if I wanted a big, complicated, distro-dependant way to compile a kernel i'd use fedora. Thanks though. |
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| 15:18.16 | thomas_adam | ColonelKernel: What? |
| 15:18.16 | simonrvn | mtnman: oh boy, heh. yeh |
| 15:18.25 | thomas_adam | ColonelKernel: make-kpkg is dead simple. |
| 15:19.35 | greycat | thomas_adam: but it maintains the debian standards of excessive verbosity and wordiness and length and longness and lots and lots of typing. |
| 15:19.39 | Donald | Hi! Does anyone know a programm with that i can automaticly copy files through a SSH Server. Like WinSCP, but it must start everythink automaticaly. |
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| 15:19.55 | greycat | Donald: man ssh-keygen |
| 15:20.03 | cmihai | Time to go through hell and install NVIDIA... |
| 15:20.18 | mtnman | greycat: both length and longness... heh. |
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| 15:20.45 | greycat | mtnman: I ran out of synonyms |
| 15:21.06 | mtnman | greycat: i can't imagine what length would be like without longness. |
| 15:21.22 | Donald | greycat: but i have to copy from a Win32 Box. |
| 15:21.49 | greycat | Donald: so look up your Windows ssh client' |
| 15:21.52 | greycat | s key format. |
| 15:21.58 | greycat | it's either OpenSSH format or SSH.COM format. |
| 15:22.04 | greycat | convert as appropriate. |
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| 15:22.36 | nern | hello |
| 15:22.57 | nern | which install option on the testing netinstall cd will give me the most minimal install |
| 15:23.03 | faw | greycat, we are doing some tests and looks like that the problem is the mix of IDE and SCSI drivers, problem BIOS is lost... |
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| 15:23.10 | faw | s/problem/probably |
| 15:23.19 | daesotho | firefox shows boxes of numbers instead of cjk characters. It is set to use the (default) Serif font, which is apparently set by gnome. |
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| 15:23.55 | greycat | faw: ah, then perhaps #grub could give some hints |
| 15:24.05 | daesotho | i have xfonts-base installed, which apparently should have unicode fonts |
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| 15:25.44 | intension | nern just do the base-install |
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| 15:26.10 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: one machine without distcc: 56m58.430s, two machines with distcc: 58m52.652s, and, yesy, distcc was working. :( |
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| 15:27.46 | nern | intension, well that isnt one of the options... if i dont choose any of the options is that what it will do? |
| 15:27.50 | ColonelKernel | ok my apologies |
| 15:28.00 | ColonelKernel | didnt mean to be douchy there |
| 15:29.02 | Lee__ | Is the LSI megaraid 320-1 supported in the Sarge kernel? This is the card in question: http://www.lsilogic.com/products/megaraid/scsi_320_1.html |
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| 15:30.49 | u2rock | hello how i can see a 32WMV file in Debian with totem doesnt work. |
| 15:31.11 | petemc | u2rock: install the codecs /msg dpkg marillat |
| 15:31.15 | intension | nern then skip as many options as you can , when it ask for packeges to install |
| 15:31.18 | koollman | u2rock: or buy windows media player ... |
| 15:31.27 | valdyn | u2rock: not directly related to totem, you probably miss the codec(s) from marillat |
| 15:31.29 | petemc | windows media player is free with windows |
| 15:31.43 | petemc | mac, too |
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| 15:32.02 | FieldySnuts | not a very good use of "free" |
| 15:32.03 | u2rock | jajaja, i dont want windows i have Debian in my computer. |
| 15:32.11 | FieldySnuts | what the hell is jajaja |
| 15:32.12 | intension | u2rock convert them to a sensible format |
| 15:32.19 | prodope | yaw yaw yaw |
| 15:32.22 | prodope | it's swedish |
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| 15:32.31 | kevin_ | I use Mplayer here and at home, got all of the codecs to install at home and love it |
| 15:32.37 | Lee__ | when you buy Windows, you get media player "for free"! |
| 15:32.53 | FieldySnuts | Lee__: I don't see anything about linux support on that page, but that doesn't mean it's not supported. unfortunately in cases like this it's pretty much throw it in and try. be sure the store has a reasonable return policy... |
| 15:32.56 | intension | Lee__ its called marketing |
| 15:32.57 | prodope | when i buy windows, birds stop flying into my house |
| 15:33.27 | kevin_ | *intension: lol |
| 15:33.34 | Lee__ | FieldySnuts: there's a driver in the kernel source Documentation/scsi/megaraid.txt but I don't want to get caught on anything shady. |
| 15:33.54 | FieldySnuts | Lee__: no way to really tell. |
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| 15:34.15 | FieldySnuts | google around and stuff, see what peopple say, i'd just try the thing and return it if no go |
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| 15:34.35 | FieldySnuts | if it's 100% hardware raid (not lameness like partial software raid) then you'll probably be fine |
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| 15:34.58 | Lee__ | for US $450 this better be real hardware RAID! |
| 15:35.01 | Qiang | is there a way to find out the NFS mounted directories? I am doing some script and want to omit the NFS mounted dirs |
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| 15:35.17 | FieldySnuts | Lee__: yeah it most likely is. the lame, partial-hardware ones are a lot cheaper |
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| 15:35.31 | Lee__ | I got bit by the liars at Dell with their "budget hardware RAID solution" |
| 15:35.32 | valdyn | Lee__: which slot is it for? pci? |
| 15:35.36 | greycat | Qiang: give some more details. are you using find(1)? |
| 15:35.43 | Lee__ | 64 bit PCI |
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| 15:36.05 | valdyn | Lee__: ok.. why not buy from a vendor that does support linux? |
| 15:36.06 | Qiang | greycat: writing perl script. |
| 15:36.15 | greycat | ask #perl |
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| 15:36.35 | Lee__ | valdyn: define "support linux". There's kernel documentation and their page hints at Redhat and Suse drivers. |
| 15:36.51 | Qiang | greycat: that's not really related to perl, is it? trying to find if there is a command do that already |
| 15:37.11 | Lee__ | valdyn: could you recommend a SCSI hardware RAID controller with driver support in Sarge? |
| 15:37.27 | intension | Qiang a 'perl' command ? |
| 15:37.29 | empty | Qiang, perl probably has a module for it somewhere |
| 15:37.32 | dbeal | Dell is cut-rate secretary computers |
| 15:37.53 | Qiang | intension: no.. shell command or whatever. just because i am writting it in perl doesn't mean i can't call system command |
| 15:37.54 | empty | Qiang, which is much better than trying to kludge in exec()s |
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| 15:38.10 | thomas_adam | Qiang: Ugh. |
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| 15:38.30 | intension | Qiang so tell which command you want to use please |
| 15:38.50 | Donald | greycat: i can do this with winscp3.com - Thanks anyway. |
| 15:38.51 | Qiang | intension: i am asking which command i can use to find out the mounted NFS :) |
| 15:38.56 | faw | greycat, found, IDE discs, turn it off on the BIOS and tell grub that sda1 is (hd0), now it works :) |
| 15:39.20 | intension | Qiang actually you dont find things you do not want , but skip them |
| 15:39.26 | greycat | Qiang: it depensd on the CONTEXT, damn it! |
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| 15:39.49 | greycat | Qiang: e.g. "cd / && find . -xdev -print ...." doesn't recurse into other file systems; it stays in root. |
| 15:39.52 | valdyn | Lee__: no idea, 3ware dont seem to sell any scsi stuff |
| 15:39.59 | Qiang | intension: yeah. to skip the nfs mouted dirs i need to identify them first though. |
| 15:40.16 | greycat | Qiang: and also, find(1) has a -fstype switch. |
| 15:40.19 | intension | Qiang wrong assumption, that is inefficient |
| 15:40.22 | greycat | Qiang: did I mention find(1) yet? |
| 15:40.39 | nern | intension the reason i ask is because im trying to give an old computer life. i would just use something like damn small, but i want to get it so my mother could use it, while i could tolerate fluxbox, my mother could not. i need to get her an extremely lightweight xfce desktop up and running. Is there maybe another distro that might be better suited for my needs |
| 15:40.55 | Qiang | greycat: i will look into the find to see if there is a NFS mounted type switch |
| 15:40.57 | cmihai | 48% [1 nvidia-glx 1482592/3065kB 48%] |
| 15:41.05 | greycat | nern: *how* small? |
| 15:41.08 | cmihai | Erm, is there something wrong with this picture ?! :0 |
| 15:41.25 | Qiang | intension: hm. what do you do if you don't id the NFS mounted dir first? |
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| 15:41.53 | intension | Qiang read the man for the command u use, and skip the nfs dirs |
| 15:42.29 | greycat | he refused to tell us what command he's using. first it was perl, now he seems not to have ANYTHING yet. |
| 15:42.41 | bobbens | cmihai: the left part is in bytes, its ok |
| 15:42.53 | Lee__ | nern: yes, install Debian. You mother isn't stupid, I have faith in her. |
| 15:42.54 | Qiang | greycat: i am not using any command. :-/ just simple perl scripting. |
| 15:42.56 | intension | greycat yes, but perl allows for syscalls too |
| 15:43.00 | Xuse | nern just use xfld then. |
| 15:43.09 | cmihai | bobbens: why do I have a feeling that makes no sense at all :) |
| 15:43.15 | FieldySnuts | @annoy Qiang |
| 15:43.15 | ravenbird | Qiang: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 15:43.25 | dbeal | nern: you're talking about changing out the window manager, not the distro.. |
| 15:43.26 | greycat | Qiang: perl is a command. |
| 15:43.33 | greycat | Qiang: and it has its own channel |
| 15:43.50 | Qiang | you know. in shell you can do -f -e stuff on $file . right? |
| 15:43.52 | Lee__ | !start a wm war |
| 15:43.52 | dpkg | olwm makes me vomit! |
| 15:44.10 | initech | olwm makes me vomit too!!!! |
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| 15:44.13 | Xuse | nern http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/ |
| 15:44.15 | Qiang | i am just looking for a switch or other solution that can identify nfs mounted dirs. |
| 15:44.18 | initech | so does *box!!!! |
| 15:44.18 | nern | Xuse, thats what i want to do, but i dont want to install all the gnome and kde stuff. I would rather just do a lighter install and apt-get everything i want |
| 15:44.35 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: s/or/and/ |
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| 15:44.45 | initech | Qiang: huh?? |
| 15:44.56 | PolarWolf | Qiang: mount, grep and awk would pretty much do it |
| 15:44.58 | Qiang | FieldySnuts: actually you guys misunderstood me. ah. forget it. greycat suggested the find and -fstype may work |
| 15:45.05 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: Sorry, will stop hilighting you |
| 15:45.05 | Xuse | nern, i install gnome anyway since i usually most gnome apps. I dunno but i always feel it's a safe bet to install them anyway. |
| 15:45.13 | initech | Qiang: what on earth are you talking about? |
| 15:45.14 | pythos | IM trying to figure out what package it is that would be used to watch my list of servers, and then tell machine X to use IP a.b.c.d if machine Y failed. |
| 15:45.15 | dbeal | nern: "afterstep" is pretty simple, and I don't think it will scare old ladies, like fluxbox does (?) |
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| 15:45.36 | Xuse | They don't take that much space do they? |
| 15:45.40 | initech | dbeal: afterstep definitely scare children, and old ladies |
| 15:45.47 | nern | yeah |
| 15:45.55 | nern | its easy for us to think something is simple |
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| 15:46.14 | nern | but you have to keep in mind that this old lady has absolutely ZERO linux knowledge |
| 15:46.17 | initech | dbeal: using afterstep is like paging through a picture book on STD's |
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| 15:46.24 | nern | and just about that much general computer knowledge |
| 15:46.40 | dbeal | nern: what could be simpler than a bunch of big square box icons, and a menu of programs to run? |
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| 15:47.21 | initech | dbeal: wmaker I always thought was better for that sort of thing |
| 15:47.22 | Qiang | PolarWolf: oh. let's say i have this /rmount is a NFS mounted dir. how do you tell if it's NFS mounted dir when scripting? |
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| 15:47.44 | dbeal | nern: just have a browser/email/office setup with icons..(i might be mistaking as for wmaker) |
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| 15:47.57 | PolarWolf | Qiang: mount | grep nfs | awk '{print $3}' |
| 15:48.03 | nern | how bout icewm |
| 15:48.07 | dbeal | nern: just make her use ion2 |
| 15:48.12 | Face_Fantastic | Can anyone here offer any help on running ET in Debian? |
| 15:48.13 | dbeal | :-D |
| 15:48.24 | PolarWolf | Qiang: Actually, cut -d' ' -f3 is faster |
| 15:48.25 | Qiang | PolarWolf: thank you. you seems to be the only one understand me. |
| 15:48.26 | thomas_adam | Face_Fantastic: man phone_home |
| 15:48.32 | nern | i also want it to be as windowsesque as possible |
| 15:48.35 | nern | i think i got this |
| 15:48.36 | nern | k |
| 15:48.39 | nern | thanks so long |
| 15:48.59 | initech | nern: install red hat 5.2 |
| 15:48.59 | dbeal | windowsesque is definitely a pukeworthy word |
| 15:49.18 | Face_Fantastic | phone_home? |
| 15:49.19 | Lee__ | I don't understand why people want something /similar/ to Windows. Why not just use WIndows. |
| 15:49.21 | simonrvn | postmodern winbloze speak. *shudder* |
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| 15:49.37 | KursK | hi |
| 15:49.42 | simonrvn | why not have a idfferent ui to windoze. the ui sucks ... |
| 15:49.55 | dbeal | he just wants the "look and feel" of windows, for fuck's sake |
| 15:49.58 | initech | Lee__: nor why people thing GNOME/KDE is like windows, when it doesn't look anything like windows to mw |
| 15:50.00 | initech | me |
| 15:50.05 | tarzeau | it works again? |
| 15:50.06 | intension | simonrvn winblows IS the ui |
| 15:50.20 | initech | winblows is teh suck |
| 15:50.21 | Lee__ | awesome! I haven't heard the phrase "look and feel" in a long time. |
| 15:50.28 | KursK | I have a debian woody where I want to add cifs-support...but I need the kernel sources for this and I have a 2.4.18-bf2.4, but only find 2.4.18 sources. When I compile the module with 2.4.18 I'm not able to load it 2.4.18-bf2...what is my mistake? |
| 15:50.28 | PolarWolf | Oh, use grep -v is you need everything *except* nfs |
| 15:50.29 | simonrvn | or mock os, or... like what's wrong with going on what feels right to you, and making it intuitive |
| 15:50.38 | thomas_adam | Face_Fantastic: don't /msg me. |
| 15:50.53 | intension | simonrvn that would involve thinking ... |
| 15:50.55 | Lee__ | KursK: upgrade to sarge |
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| 15:51.01 | tarzeau | but GNOME SUCKS ASS. STILL |
| 15:51.10 | dbeal | he wants the "look and feel" of real skin, but with plastic |
| 15:51.13 | PolarWolf | gimme xfce4 any day of the week |
| 15:51.18 | simonrvn | dbeal: cross between windows and mac os. wrong move i think, too. |
| 15:51.27 | initech | xfce4 is pretty sweet, i have to say |
| 15:51.32 | initech | but i don't use it |
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| 15:51.45 | tarzeau | anyone joins http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 15:51.47 | Xuse | xfce4 is what i use now, got fed up of gnome. |
| 15:52.01 | KursK | Lee__, mh, but I still do not have the corresponding kernel-sources then? |
| 15:52.03 | simonrvn | intension: and maybe some design smarts, too. devs shouldn't be doing the UI, artists and designers should. or if the devs are also those, so be it, more power to them |
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| 15:52.15 | dbeal | simonrvn: i didn't know it's similar to mac os |
| 15:52.19 | thomas_adam | Use whatever you like. |
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| 15:52.40 | intension | simonrvn right |
| 15:52.43 | simonrvn | dbeal: the spatial nautilus is a straight rip-off from long-standing mac os usage |
| 15:52.55 | dbeal | maybe it's good that microsoft is getting knocked off, taste of their own medicine |
| 15:53.00 | Lee__ | KursK: you will have any kernel source you want. install them. |
| 15:53.14 | tarzeau | can someone host linuks.mine.nu please? |
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| 15:53.22 | initech | anything to do with mac OS should be considered anathema and diseased |
| 15:53.24 | initech | :) |
| 15:53.42 | petemc | hmm |
| 15:53.44 | simonrvn | M$ lawyers: bugger off. oh, and i'm unsueable, FYI. so go bugger yourselves |
| 15:53.54 | greyson | tarzeau: How much traffic does it get? |
| 15:53.56 | intension | tarzeau i can offer you a 2M cable connection with dyn ip ;) |
| 15:53.58 | dbeal | simonrvn: thankfully (or not) i am capable enough with a cli never to have the need to run nautilus, though it makes me ignorant in this discussion |
| 15:54.00 | tarzeau | greyson: err tell me the ip |
| 15:54.14 | tarzeau | intension: not host it, run that command ;) |
| 15:54.15 | KursK | Lee__, but not 2.4.18-bf2$ |
| 15:54.24 | greyson | tarzeau: It's the host that shows up in my ident. |
| 15:54.31 | simonrvn | dbeal: i'm comfy is both modes. i like keeping flexible. keeps the brain happy |
| 15:54.37 | simonrvn | s/is/in/ |
| 15:54.40 | tarzeau | ok. can someone tell me the ip of linuks.mine.nu please? |
| 15:54.43 | Grost | 3C996B-T does the 3com NIC has TSO ? |
| 15:54.52 | intension | linuks.mine.nu has address 80.219.75.92 |
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| 15:54.57 | simonrvn | linuks.mine.nu. 14400 IN A 80.219.78.73 |
| 15:54.58 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.allesoverballen.com/engels/GEITEN.html |
| 15:55.11 | tarzeau | simonrvn: thank you |
| 15:55.21 | greyson | tarzeau: HAHA! I thought you were looking for someone to host the site for you -- as in give you a machine with apache, etc. |
| 15:55.23 | simonrvn | might want to see intension's |
| 15:55.27 | Lee__ | KursK: perhaps you should use a supported Debian kernel? |
| 15:55.33 | dbeal | i just know that nautilus will sometimes eat my desktop quite rudely...simonrvn: yeah, too much cli can make you grumpy |
| 15:55.34 | jharrisonwk | greyson: that can be arranged |
| 15:55.35 | simonrvn | different IP |
| 15:55.45 | tarzeau | greyson: yeah i noticed |
| 15:55.59 | Manoj_ | too much cli can make you grumpy? |
| 15:56.03 | greyson | jharrisonwk: ?? |
| 15:56.16 | simonrvn | first time i've heard that one |
| 15:56.18 | KursK | Lee__, this is one from the installation CD, that's the strange thing, but well seems like I really have to upgrade the kernel :/ |
| 15:56.28 | jharrisonwk | greyson: hosting a site |
| 15:56.46 | dbeal | Manoj_: as in, very little sympathy or patience for mouse users |
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| 15:56.54 | greyson | jharrisonwk: Ah, I know. I already do :) |
| 15:57.04 | jharrisonwk | greyson: not for you |
| 15:57.10 | jharrisonwk | greyson: I dont even know you |
| 15:57.37 | Face_Fantastic | what is a good chanel for noobs to recieve help? |
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| 15:57.48 | Manoj_ | dbeal, Hmm. You have a point. |
| 15:57.52 | jharrisonwk | Face_Fantastic: #linuxbeginner |
| 15:58.00 | Face_Fantastic | thanks. |
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| 15:58.09 | greyson | jharrisonwk: You're making absolutely no sense. |
| 15:58.16 | jhares | pls do you know what happen with package of sim? deb http://debian.thermoman.de sid sim |
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| 15:58.54 | xiaomai | hey guys, i'm trying to figure out how to assign the 4th word of output from a command to a variable in a shell script... i can print out the 4th word, but i'm having trouble assigning it to anything (right now i'm using awk). how is that done? |
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| 15:59.23 | simonrvn | FOO="$(awk script)" |
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| 16:00.31 | xiaomai | simonrvn, what's th script though? for example to print i just need FOO=blah | awk {print $4} |
| 16:00.42 | astronut | anyone know mplayer really well? What type of file does -dumpstream result in? |
| 16:00.46 | jhares | or where i can get package of sim? |
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| 16:00.59 | thomas_adam | astronut: use file(1) to see. |
| 16:01.05 | PolarWolf | astronut: afaik whatever format the stream is inb |
| 16:01.11 | greycat | xiaomai: read one two three four <<< "$mystring" |
| 16:01.19 | Manoj_ | xiaomai, FOO=$(blah | awk {print $4}) |
| 16:01.20 | greycat | xiaomai: (bash 2.05b or higher) |
| 16:01.28 | greycat | Manoj_: oh, *that's* what he meant? |
| 16:01.45 | valdyn | xiaomai: so: FOO="$(blah | awk {print $4})" |
| 16:01.49 | xiaomai | greycat, Manoj_ : thanks |
| 16:01.54 | xiaomai | valdyn, ok |
| 16:02.00 | greycat | calling awk to get one field is pretty slow. |
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| 16:02.14 | xiaomai | greycat: it's better to go w/ the read? |
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| 16:02.24 | greycat | !better |
| 16:02.24 | dpkg | i guess better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 16:02.36 | jonkri | how can i set the from: header when sending mail with 'mail'? if it is using the .mailrc file i would need some help, 'cos i can't figure out how to do it |
| 16:02.44 | greycat | jonkri: use mutt. |
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| 16:03.19 | jonkri | greycat i need to use mail... i will send small text strings with crontab (no, not spam :)) |
| 16:03.32 | greycat | jonkri: WHY do you need to use mail(1)? |
| 16:03.44 | greycat | because you're STUPID, or because you're NOT ON DEBIAN? |
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| 16:03.57 | jonkri | greycat i'm on debian :) i guess i'm stupid |
| 16:04.06 | prodope | i mounted a swap partition as -t tmpfs... i'm trying to unmount it, but it says it's busy |
| 16:04.11 | jonkri | greycat i'mfamiliar with mail, that's all |
| 16:04.11 | prodope | how would i go about unmounting it? |
| 16:04.13 | greycat | prodope: swapoff |
| 16:04.13 | dbeal | foo=`ls -l | awk '{print $4}'` <-- nobody mentioned backtick syntax. |
| 16:04.23 | jonkri | greycat how would i do it with mutt? |
| 16:04.40 | greycat | jonkri: same way you do it with mail, but less hair-pulling. |
| 16:04.42 | tarzeau | can we have more dragons please? http://bub-n-bros.sf.net #bub-n-bros |
| 16:04.45 | jonkri | ok |
| 16:04.52 | tarzeau | jethro, jharrisonwk ? |
| 16:04.57 | jonkri | what is the file called? (the file that contains the headers) |
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| 16:05.28 | simonrvn | dbeal: $() is POSIX, and more portable |
| 16:05.30 | intension | dbeal if you are going to mention _all_ possibilties ... |
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| 16:06.30 | dbeal | intension: I was not really aware of $() |
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| 16:07.09 | prodope | greycat: i did a swapoff -a, but it says it's still busy when i try to unmount it... it's a swap on a second harddrive, btw |
| 16:07.22 | greycat | prodope: *shrug* reboot it, then |
| 16:07.30 | prodope | greycat: k |
| 16:07.33 | tim_h_ | where should I put mount points (for nfs mounts) on client PCs? /media /mnt/ ? |
| 16:07.39 | greycat | tim_h_: wherever you want |
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| 16:07.47 | jonkri | greycat thanks |
| 16:07.54 | Manoj_ | dbeal, well, in my opinion, nested backticks can get really nasty, and $(), which is POSIX, is to be preferred |
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| 16:08.01 | tim_h_ | greycat: I mean according to FSH, or whatever makes standards |
| 16:08.11 | greycat | !FHS |
| 16:08.11 | dpkg | from memory, fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 16:08.13 | Overfiend | AIUI, $() is not *more* portable than `` -- $() is just better from a usability standpoint because you can nest it without going crazy with escaping |
| 16:08.16 | simonrvn | Manoj_: indeed. hi, BTW. how goes? |
| 16:08.21 | xaphod | is anyone here familiar with Horde/IMP (webmail php app) ? I've moved my installation to another machine, and i've spent the last 4 hours trying to figure out why clicking the login button does absolutely nothing,not an error msg or anything....? |
| 16:08.34 | simonrvn | oh, i see. |
| 16:08.37 | Overfiend | bah, Manoj beat me to it |
| 16:08.39 | Manoj_ | simonrvn, still chipping away at SELinux issues |
| 16:08.42 | greycat | Overfiend: there's also a lot less chance of some newbie changing it into '' on you. |
| 16:08.50 | thomas_adam | tim_h_: /mnt is traditonally for a transient mount-point -- and since RH decidsed they'd make their own locations up... that's why /media now exists. I'd personally just use '/' for my other mount-points. YMMV. |
| 16:08.52 | simonrvn | cool |
| 16:08.55 | Overfiend | crappy old Solaris sh is not POSIX-compliant, IIRC, so you're stuck with `` there |
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| 16:10.17 | tim_h_ | thomas_adam: Thats what I used to do as well. But now that debian creates a /media I wondered if it would be logical to put the mountpoints there. I chek the FHS documents now |
| 16:10.40 | thomas_adam | tim_h_: /media is used for removeable mediums only... |
| 16:10.42 | dbeal | Anybody have any other cool shell tips? |
| 16:10.45 | simonrvn | i started using /net, /media, and /srv. /net for network mounted shares on the client; /srv for anything exported/"sent out" - i.e. server; and /media for local media, like floppies cdrom, etc. |
| 16:10.50 | thomas_adam | dbeal: STFW. |
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| 16:11.06 | valdyn | tim_h_: media seems to be for changable media and hotpluggable storage |
| 16:11.10 | tim_h_ | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 16:11.15 | simonrvn | keeps it orderly in my head |
| 16:11.19 | tim_h_ | simonrvn: I use /srv now as well |
| 16:11.43 | thomas_adam | tim_h_: It's only convention at the end of the day -- but it helps to standardise locations across distros -- it puts RH in their place thankfully -- see also the LSB. |
| 16:11.51 | Manoj_ | all these are site defined though (/media, /net, /srv), just like /sur/local? |
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| 16:12.02 | initech | "/srv" is a good thing |
| 16:12.16 | tim_h_ | simonrvn: so you would /net on the client PCs? |
| 16:12.25 | simonrvn | yeh. |
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| 16:12.47 | simonrvn | aliases. never can have too many aliases ;p |
| 16:12.47 | thomas_adam | dbeal: /j #bash, then. |
| 16:12.53 | tim_h_ | simonrvn: fine, I like it |
| 16:12.55 | simonrvn | and functions |
| 16:12.58 | thomas_adam | dbeal: And see the /topic there. |
| 16:13.00 | greycat | simonrvn: I'm not really fond of aliases |
| 16:13.00 | initech | simonrvn: like sl=ls |
| 16:13.22 | simonrvn | more like l="ls -lAhF --color=auto" ;) |
| 16:13.27 | initech | aliases are to me for my own personal chronic typo fuck ups |
| 16:13.52 | sussudio | oh, it's debiel. |
| 16:14.11 | simonrvn | Manoj_: oh, what was that neato one for ls you showed me a little while back? the one you use a lot |
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| 16:14.43 | simonrvn | *groan*, shelldorado |
| 16:14.46 | initech | i like ls='cat /dev/null > /sys' |
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| 16:14.55 | greycat | ls() { if [ -t 1 ]; then command ls --color -F "$@"; else command ls "$@"; fi; } |
| 16:15.03 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 16:15.07 | dbeal | saying STFW is like saying "check outside in the trash bin" |
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| 16:15.16 | initech | or perhaps ls='rm -rf ~/' |
| 16:15.18 | simonrvn | dbeal: hardly |
| 16:15.33 | oklinux | I have a question on libranet any comment ? |
| 16:15.36 | Manoj_ | alias l='ls --color=auto -AsCF' is what is defined now |
| 16:15.42 | thomas_adam | oklinux: /j #libranet |
| 16:15.45 | greycat | !confuse oklinux |
| 16:15.46 | dpkg | Yes, what are my pants tomorrow, oklinux? breeches of the people's republic of swaziland with extra cream |
| 16:15.48 | Overfiend | I'm not sure test -t is POSIX... |
| 16:15.52 | simonrvn | Manoj_: ah thanks |
| 16:16.00 | cddesjar | 1 out of every 10 times i start x and it loads into XDM or KDM i get these wierd horizontal bars that heppen and the Desktop Manager doesn't load...any ideas? |
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| 16:16.08 | greycat | Overfiend: that's actually wrapped in a case `uname` in Linux) ... |
| 16:16.12 | oklinux | is debian base |
| 16:16.19 | thomas_adam | cddesjar: Eh? Could be residual crud from your video-card memory. |
| 16:16.37 | Manoj_ | if [ "X$TERM" = "Xdumb" ]; then alias l='ls -AsCF' ; else alias l='ls --color=auto -AsCF'; fi |
| 16:16.37 | greycat | Overfiend: my home dir's NFS shared, and OpenBSD doesn't (didn't?) have color ls |
| 16:16.42 | Overfiend | greycat: A bit crude, though. I'd test for bash and/or bin/test being the GNU coreutils version :) |
| 16:16.54 | Overfiend | cool. |
| 16:16.55 | cddesjar | thomas_adam: how could i remove this abberant loading? |
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| 16:17.02 | initech | cddesjar: sounds like a driver issue to me. perhaps there's some settings for your card that can get rid of that |
| 16:17.05 | thomas_adam | cddesjar: You generally don't -- it goes "away". |
| 16:17.25 | amorphix | hi thomas |
| 16:17.29 | initech | nfs is teh bomb |
| 16:17.39 | Overfiend | Manoj_: ever read up on the rc shell? (That's right, the Plan 9 one) It has some interesting ideas. |
| 16:17.46 | thomas_adam | amorphix: Hello? |
| 16:17.47 | cddesjar | hmm...i was using slackware prior to this and it never happened |
| 16:17.51 | amorphix | no more transfering files from different terminals! single access for mail etc |
| 16:17.57 | amorphix | phew, big time saver |
| 16:18.00 | cddesjar | oh well...also how do i edit the debian menu for windowmaker |
| 16:18.01 | Overfiend | Might have caught on in Unix-land if Bell Labs hadn't been asinine about the licensing of Plan 9 |
| 16:18.04 | thomas_adam | amorphix: But then, I use shfs for that. |
| 16:18.04 | cddesjar | i have read man menu |
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| 16:18.08 | paulswm | Overfiend: $() works fine in Solaris, btw |
| 16:18.08 | Manoj_ | Overfiend, yeah. I also like the plan 9 editing stuff |
| 16:18.14 | cddesjar | and i can't figure out what file i need to edit |
| 16:18.14 | dbeal | the only thing I think should be in an ls alias is --color=auto and -a (or -A) |
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| 16:18.35 | jonkri | the swedish characters åäö disappears from my mail sent with mutt, but not in the subject. is there a header i need? |
| 16:18.40 | Overfiend | paulswm: hrm. Then I wonder why Vim's sh.vim still thinks $() is avant-garde neo-programming |
| 16:18.47 | thomas_adam | dbeal: Well, the dircolors stuff is defined in the ~/.bashrc for users that wish to uncomment it. |
| 16:18.56 | Manoj_ | I did get some plan9 stuff in my environment -- like drawing a rectangle with the mouse on the root window opens up a xterm in that spot |
| 16:18.59 | greycat | paulswm: it's truly sad when there's some OS that's even *more* archaic (in at least one respect) than HP-UX 10.20. HP-UX 10.20 at least has a POSIX /bin/sh. Solaris doesn't, by design. They *want* their /bin/sh to suck. It's incredible. |
| 16:19.08 | Manoj_ | let us see the GNOME weeenies do that :P |
| 16:19.12 | cddesjar | swedish...i was learnign swedish for a bit...kattan har svart hor |
| 16:19.27 | initech | solaris sucks in a very general way, across the board |
| 16:19.27 | Overfiend | Manoj_: there is the strokes library... |
| 16:19.28 | simonrvn | Manoj_: oh neat |
| 16:19.29 | amorphix | haha |
| 16:19.33 | amorphix | u guys rock |
| 16:19.35 | dbeal | thomas_adam: oh, you're right..then you'd just "need" --color |
| 16:19.36 | paulswm | greycat: I use ksh on Solaris, so I'm not up to speed with SOlarish sh suckage. |
| 16:19.38 | PolarWolf | I need to learn swedish |
| 16:19.45 | jonkri | cddesjar kattan har svart hor? the cat has black hair? ;) |
| 16:19.48 | jonkri | PolarWolf do you? |
| 16:19.48 | cahoot | jonkri: set allow_8bit + set charset = "iso-8859-15" funkar här |
| 16:19.49 | Overfiend | apt-cache show libstroke0 |
| 16:19.54 | cddesjar | yup! |
| 16:19.57 | davem | sweden is nice |
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| 16:20.02 | jonkri | cahoot where do i do that? |
| 16:20.12 | paulswm | Overfiend: I should have said that I use ksh, not sh, on Solaris |
| 16:20.13 | cahoot | jonkri: .muttrc |
| 16:20.14 | Overfiend | Manoj_: libstroke0 even works with fvwm... |
| 16:20.19 | Manoj_ | Overfiend, really? there is a general strokes functionality in GNOME/KDE now, mouse gestures and all? man, they are beginning to catch up with fvwm |
| 16:20.22 | jonkri | cahoot thanks a lot |
| 16:20.23 | simonrvn | CAD software. gEDA uses this library, for example. fvwm can use mouse |
| 16:20.23 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.23 | thomas_adam | Overfiend: Yup. |
| 16:20.24 | cddesjar | jag heter cddesjar och kommer fran USA |
| 16:20.28 | empty | initech, I think that was in the design specs actually |
| 16:20.30 | Overfiend | Manoj_: alas, no. Just in gEDA |
| 16:20.42 | cddesjar | i was playing on taking a trip to sweden |
| 16:20.44 | PolarWolf | jonkri: yes |
| 16:20.46 | simonrvn | <3 zsh |
| 16:20.48 | cddesjar | planning/not playing |
| 16:20.59 | Manoj_ | Overfiend: the nbext thing you know, they'll start allowing on the fly perl functions to be written and attached to events/keystrokes |
| 16:21.00 | dbeal | by hate i mean love |
| 16:21.02 | cddesjar | the rosetta stone works great on linux |
| 16:21.03 | initech | empty: assuredly |
| 16:21.07 | cddesjar | using wine |
| 16:21.15 | jonkri | PolarWolf why? :) |
| 16:21.23 | jonkri | cahoot thank you! it works perfectly |
| 16:21.32 | PolarWolf | jonkri: Because I'm likely to move there in the not too distant future |
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| 16:21.40 | empty | cddesjar, What's the rosetta stone in this context ( I know what the original one is :P) |
| 16:21.45 | jonkri | PolarWolf how so? where do you live now? |
| 16:21.49 | cahoot | jonkri: not my invention - stole the config from a norwegian ;) |
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| 16:21.52 | PolarWolf | jonkri: netherlands |
| 16:21.57 | jonkri | cahoot :) |
| 16:22.02 | cddesjar | [cddesjar might have a rosetta stone bit torrent and the swedish language program if PolarWolf needs it :0 ] |
| 16:22.07 | Manoj_ | I love being able to that in fvwm -- quick proof of concept window manager functionality, tested out using fvwmcommand or fvwmscript, and I can do this in perl |
| 16:22.07 | cddesjar | a language program |
| 16:22.29 | empty | cddesjar, Ah, about what I guessed |
| 16:22.48 | thomas_adam | i should release my Ruby fvwm bindings. |
| 16:22.53 | cddesjar | does anyone know how i can edit the debian menu using window maker |
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| 16:23.19 | intension | cddesjar how you edit the menu ? |
| 16:23.29 | initech | cddesjar: open a term and start deleting shit in /usr/share/applications :) |
| 16:23.47 | thomas_adam | ITYM 'FvwmConsole' as opposed to FvwmCommand. |
| 16:23.49 | cddesjar | ok |
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| 16:24.25 | dbeal | zsh in vi mode? |
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| 16:24.52 | amorphix | if i run KDE on two machines, and use NFS with a shared /home/user, am i right in thinking both machines will use the same KDE X config? |
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| 16:24.53 | simonrvn | is there a way of getting the edges of the icons to be less blocky looking like horrid 1990s HTML 10 pixel wide table edges? |
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| 16:25.01 | empty | TuxCards is a kind of nifty app- I think it would be excellent for my personal life tracking phone conversations with CS folk at various places |
| 16:25.02 | dbeal | (extra layer of security against walk-up hackers) |
| 16:25.03 | cddesjar | that isn't the correct menu... |
| 16:25.07 | simonrvn | in fvwm i mean. should have mentioned that |
| 16:25.09 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: In what? |
| 16:25.19 | James_Ward | Hi, I've tried both DSL and debian on an old minimal system. The things I need to run run faster on DSL, but the wireless doesn't work. Can anyone give me tips on installing debian as low profile as possible? |
| 16:25.20 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: No, there isn't. |
| 16:25.20 | snowshelbi | hi, i upgraded to a 2.6 kernel in order to get my wireless card up and running, however it seems that since doing so sound is gone :S |
| 16:25.25 | cddesjar | when i open kde i have two menus: the kde menu and a debian menu. when i open windowmaker i have one menu: the debian menu |
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| 16:25.32 | simonrvn | damn. would be nice |
| 16:25.35 | tarzeau | powerlinux: wanna play a power dragon game? |
| 16:25.39 | cddesjar | what card snowshelbi? |
| 16:25.43 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: Unless you apply a shape mask to each icon yourself. |
| 16:25.44 | simonrvn | or at least not so wide... |
| 16:25.54 | asg | tarzeau: you're pushing bnb like crack, stop it ;) |
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| 16:25.59 | intension | dbeal you just invented it ? |
| 16:26.03 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: It's on my patches list... |
| 16:26.04 | simonrvn | asg: yeh, really |
| 16:26.08 | cddesjar | do you have alsa packages? |
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| 16:26.12 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: ah, cool |
| 16:26.14 | amorphix | is there a way to run multiple configurations for a desktop when you're using NFS? |
| 16:26.19 | dbeal | intension: no, it's a real zsh editing mode |
| 16:26.23 | thomas_adam | amorphix: Hmm? |
| 16:26.24 | greycat | amorphix: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:26.27 | tarzeau | asg: we need badly more players |
| 16:26.28 | snowshelbi | cddesjar, quite frankly, i don't know! i dont think i have a sound card. it's a laptop so i am thinking it's on the mobo |
| 16:26.35 | tarzeau | powerlinux: really looks cool: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/bubnbros/ |
| 16:26.36 | initech | amorphix: runlevels would do |
| 16:26.46 | asg | tarzeau: where's the usual crew? |
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| 16:27.04 | amorphix | well i have a laptop and a desktop system that share the same home filespace and use the same desktop enviro... but both are different hardware so need different configs |
| 16:27.09 | amorphix | oh |
| 16:27.17 | dbeal | intension: uses readline..so, i guess other shells do it. cause most shells are in an emacs-like mode (modeless editing) |
| 16:27.20 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: what kind of laptop? |
| 16:27.21 | HeavenWarrior | Well, can someone tell me like to an idiot, how i can update my system from sarge to experimental without mixing my system afterthat, or how to process with updates without broking dependencies. Thanks. |
| 16:27.24 | greycat | what configurations are different? -geometry switches in your .xsession? |
| 16:27.39 | snowshelbi | cddesjar, HP compac nc6000 |
| 16:27.44 | empty | amorphix, X config is handled by files outside your ~home |
| 16:27.44 | thomas_adam | amorphix: startx -- :1 -xf86config XF86Config-4_somenewconfig_otherthan_the_default |
| 16:27.50 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: do you have the alsa packages installed? or some other sound packages? |
| 16:27.55 | amorphix | cool |
| 16:27.58 | snowshelbi | i dont think so |
| 16:28.00 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: run alsamixer |
| 16:28.01 | tarzeau | asg: #bub-n-bros ;) |
| 16:28.06 | thomas_adam | amorphix: If that's what you meant... |
| 16:28.07 | shivraj | HeavenWarrior : why would u do that ? |
| 16:28.07 | initech | amorphix: what does that matter? the only thing that matters perhaps is different versions of software, namely the desktop you use |
| 16:28.10 | simonrvn | HeavenWarrior: you don't. experimental doesn't work that way |
| 16:28.20 | snowshelbi | cddesjar, alsamixer: command not found |
| 16:28.21 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: run alsamixer at terminal ;) |
| 16:28.25 | asg | tarzeau: heh, I'm not much of a game player these days. |
| 16:28.25 | tarzeau | asg: or what they do now? |
| 16:28.26 | simonrvn | HeavenWarrior: it's not even vaguely complete |
| 16:28.31 | amorphix | well i had some issues earlier with file permissions on config, im sure the config files or some files needed by X/desktop are kept in home |
| 16:28.32 | cddesjar | ok...that means you dont' have the alsa packages i believe |
| 16:28.33 | tarzeau | asg: just try, i swear it's not addictive! |
| 16:28.39 | asg | tarzeau: hah |
| 16:28.42 | simonrvn | tarzeau: package name? |
| 16:28.46 | greycat | asg: the first one's free! |
| 16:28.49 | tarzeau | simonrvn: doesn't exist |
| 16:28.55 | simonrvn | tarzeau: riight. a game not addictive.. ;) |
| 16:28.58 | snowshelbi | cddesjar, do i need alsa packages? 'cos when i first installed sarge sound worked on its own! |
| 16:29.08 | intension | ok tarzeau |
| 16:29.10 | simonrvn | tarzeau: so, source build? |
| 16:29.21 | James_Ward | Can someone point me to how to install a minimal memory footprint debian sarge? |
| 16:29.22 | tarzeau | simonrvn: it's python. unpack and ./BubBros.py |
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| 16:29.27 | asg | tarzeau: does it require a 3d card? |
| 16:29.29 | simonrvn | tarzeau: ok |
| 16:29.32 | shivraj | snowshelbi : did u reconfigure the kernel ? |
| 16:29.35 | tarzeau | asg: no, the worst 2d card works |
| 16:29.39 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: hmm...probably not...do you reconfigure your kernel or did you just use apt-get to get a new kernel? |
| 16:29.40 | asg | damn! |
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| 16:30.11 | shivraj | snowshelbi : oop, Im thinking abt sarge |
| 16:30.15 | snowshelbi | shivraj, cddesjar i only used apt-get install kernel xxx . and i use module-assistant after to install the ipw2100 drivers |
| 16:30.18 | tarzeau | simonrvn, asg you can even give names to your dragon |
| 16:30.28 | asg | well, one ISA server down, on Squid server up. |
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| 16:30.38 | HeavenWarrior | simonp, ok when i wanna use gnome 2.10, then i've to apt-get install -t experimental gnome*, without apt-get -t experimental dist-upgrade ? |
| 16:30.38 | cahoot | James_Ward: looking for debianorectic? |
| 16:30.44 | asg | tarzeau: can I be 'Mong de Willy de Hong'? |
| 16:30.46 | shivraj | why did the sound card stop working ? |
| 16:30.50 | shivraj | new kernel ? |
| 16:30.50 | snowshelbi | but, just to make things clear in my mind, by upgrading to a new kernel, does that mean i have an unstable debian distro now? |
| 16:30.53 | tarzeau | asg: sure! |
| 16:31.01 | James_Ward | cahoot, I need something small but functional. 166MHz and 32M RAM. |
| 16:31.08 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: no |
| 16:31.13 | HeavenWarrior | I wanna know what is the update principle in Debian, |
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| 16:31.15 | shivraj | snowshelbi : no |
| 16:31.17 | tarzeau | asg: i even give you MY blonde golden dragon if that's your favourite dragon color |
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| 16:31.23 | snowshelbi | ok good to know |
| 16:31.26 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: i am doing a google search |
| 16:31.26 | thomas_adam | James_Ward: I run a PC here with that spec. |
| 16:31.27 | asg | tarzeau: maybe tomorrow morning then. |
| 16:31.36 | snowshelbi | but still, i remember getting some weird error message at a certain point |
| 16:31.40 | tarzeau | asg: i have a date then |
| 16:31.41 | snowshelbi | about the sound server crashing |
| 16:31.47 | snowshelbi | and it using te null device as output |
| 16:31.56 | shivraj | snowshelbi : u need to install alsa |
| 16:32.03 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: it's not must muted ;) |
| 16:32.03 | James_Ward | thomas_adam, I tried both sarge and DSL, DSL is much faster, but wireless doesn't work. |
| 16:32.04 | shivraj | apt-get install alsa |
| 16:32.04 | snowshelbi | apt-get install alsa ? |
| 16:32.06 | cddesjar | right? |
| 16:32.14 | shivraj | yes |
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| 16:32.14 | cddesjar | http://www.cs.duke.edu/~reynolds/nc6000-linux.html |
| 16:32.17 | snowshelbi | aight |
| 16:32.19 | snowshelbi | muted |
| 16:32.26 | thomas_adam | James_Ward: Well, at the time it got Potato installed on it -- but it now runs stable. |
| 16:32.33 | snowshelbi | hmm, i dont even know how to mute the sound on this thing ... |
| 16:32.38 | snowshelbi | or change volume as a matter of fact |
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| 16:32.49 | thomas_adam | James_Ward: I use it as a test comp for hacking on fvwm, mostly. |
| 16:33.00 | snowshelbi | my volume buttons dont work according to most websites who talk about installing debian on an hp |
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| 16:33.01 | cddesjar | check out that link! |
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| 16:33.06 | James_Ward | thomas_adam: I need/want firefox, gaim and wireless. |
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| 16:33.19 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: that person used 2.6.9 with debian and he got sound to work with alsa |
| 16:33.31 | thomas_adam | James_Ward: Assuming the person using that PC has patience it will handle it -- but verrrrrrrry slowly. |
| 16:33.32 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: http://www.cs.duke.edu/~reynolds/nc6000-linux.html |
| 16:33.47 | sobersabre | has anybody answered me about sl-modem package ? |
| 16:33.51 | thomas_adam | James_Ward: Don't expect to run KDE on it, or anything like that. |
| 16:33.54 | James_Ward | thomas_ADAM: It's acceptable under dsl. |
| 16:33.56 | umbop | hmm anyone here ever worked for a finanace company? |
| 16:33.57 | sobersabre | i cannot install it via apt-get, getting |
| 16:34.00 | sobersabre | sl-modem-daemon: Depends: sl-modem-modules-new but it is not installable |
| 16:34.01 | James_Ward | tOOS SLOW UNDER DEBIAN. |
| 16:34.02 | cddesjar | use aptitude to install alsa |
| 16:34.12 | James_Ward | So I figure it must be a RAM issue. |
| 16:34.30 | thomas_adam | James_Ward: So run memtest86 on it. |
| 16:34.32 | Manoj_ | shit. It just dawned on me that I have been using computers for 25 years now |
| 16:34.40 | shivraj | umbop : I need a job, u hiring ? |
| 16:34.44 | greycat | Manoj_: that's about right for me, too. |
| 16:34.45 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: are you using kde? |
| 16:34.47 | FieldySnuts | !hire shivraj |
| 16:34.48 | thomas_adam | James_Ward: But I think more so in this instance, it's ca se of Patience being an all true Virtue. |
| 16:35.00 | Manoj_ | I still recall VMS' LSE, nearly 20 years later |
| 16:35.04 | cddesjar | snowshebli: if you are run kmix |
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| 16:35.09 | Zarox | hi again |
| 16:35.11 | greycat | 15 bucks an hour to change urinal pucks? wow! |
| 16:35.15 | FieldySnuts | no shit |
| 16:35.18 | cddesjar | snowshebli: make sure your volume is up before you install alsa |
| 16:35.20 | Zarox | I need help executinf .sh stuff :/ |
| 16:35.24 | snowshelbi | cddesjar, yes |
| 16:35.25 | davem | I'd take that job. |
| 16:35.27 | Manoj_ | LSE was a text editor which knew language syntax, and provided templates and completion |
| 16:35.30 | thomas_adam | Zarox: Hmm? |
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| 16:35.32 | Zarox | ./master.sh console |
| 16:35.33 | Zarox | -bash: ./master.sh: Permission denied |
| 16:35.38 | FieldySnuts | man chmod |
| 16:35.41 | thomas_adam | Zarox: chmod +x |
| 16:35.42 | Zarox | ah |
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| 16:35.44 | Zarox | thx |
| 16:35.46 | snowshelbi | cddesjar, yes i use kde. how do i make sure my volume is up? and too late i already ran apt-get install |
| 16:35.47 | FieldySnuts | or the partition it's on is mounted noexec |
| 16:35.55 | thomas_adam | Zarox: or use sh ./file.sh |
| 16:36.03 | dbeal | greycat, you have to change them while they are urinating |
| 16:36.06 | cddesjar | snowshebli: run kmix at the terminal |
| 16:36.09 | FieldySnuts | heh' |
| 16:36.10 | Zarox | k |
| 16:36.12 | Zarox | ill try |
| 16:36.25 | umbop | no, i have just started working for one, and they are edgy about investing in open source solutions, and i've never worked for one before, and wanted to get some ideas off people |
| 16:36.32 | shivraj | snowshelbi : hehe, its not too late |
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| 16:37.06 | cddesjar | snowshebli: make sure all of your volumes are all the way up on the mixer |
| 16:37.32 | thomas_adam | umbop: Specifically? |
| 16:37.57 | daesotho | how can i configure firefox to display CJK characters? |
| 16:38.01 | snowshelbi | hmm, i only have one... |
| 16:38.12 | thomas_adam | daesotho: Ask #mozilla on irc.gnome.org |
| 16:38.31 | thomas_adam | !tel Leonardo_Cabelo -about away |
| 16:38.35 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: click the mixer button ;) |
| 16:38.38 | thomas_adam | !tell Leonardo_Cabelo -about away |
| 16:38.43 | daesotho | thomas_adam: thanks |
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| 16:39.10 | snowshelbi | cddesjar, in kmix? |
| 16:39.14 | cddesjar | snowshebli: make sure volume, pcm, and speaker are up |
| 16:39.18 | cddesjar | snowshebli: yup |
| 16:39.24 | snowshelbi | there's only pcm! |
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| 16:39.27 | snowshelbi | and i cant move it |
| 16:39.37 | snowshelbi | then there's another horizontal slider |
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| 16:39.50 | snowshelbi | and i's called Intel blabla MODEM! |
| 16:39.57 | snowshelbi | why modem i dont know :S |
| 16:40.17 | cddesjar | snowshebli: hmm...wierd...can you right click the kmix icon and click the mute button? |
| 16:40.24 | jhares | in which packages is gmake..? make i have install.. |
| 16:40.28 | cddesjar | snowshebli: i have no idea about that modem stuff...that's funky |
| 16:40.38 | snowshelbi | yes |
| 16:40.39 | Zarox | thx thomas_adam btw |
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| 16:41.11 | thomas_adam | Zarox: You're welcome. |
| 16:41.13 | snowshelbi | Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem |
| 16:41.19 | snowshelbi | that's what alsamixer says too |
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| 16:41.35 | cddesjar | what the command to configure alsa? |
| 16:41.40 | thomas_adam | alsaconfig |
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| 16:41.46 | cddesjar | lol |
| 16:41.48 | cddesjar | run alsaconfig |
| 16:41.59 | snowshelbi | alsaconfig command not found |
| 16:42.05 | intension | alsaconf |
| 16:42.06 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: select the correct card |
| 16:42.15 | cddesjar | yes alsaconf that's it |
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| 16:42.29 | thomas_adam | Oh yeah. I don't use alsa, to be faie. |
| 16:42.30 | cddesjar | then run alsamixer |
| 16:42.31 | marcel_ | so, whats going on with sid? nautilus wont start |
| 16:42.41 | thomas_adam | marcel_: Gnome is going through a transition... |
| 16:42.45 | jethro | marcel_: sid is UNSTABLE |
| 16:42.50 | Zarox | sh ./genkey.sh |
| 16:42.50 | Zarox | ./genkey.sh: line 2: keytool: command not found |
| 16:42.52 | Zarox | :/ |
| 16:42.53 | darxeth | how can i make smbclient interact with the windows system on the other machine? |
| 16:42.53 | jethro | marcel_: why would you expect it not to break? |
| 16:43.04 | intension | Zarox install it then |
| 16:43.05 | snowshelbi | yay :D |
| 16:43.07 | marcel_ | if i would use experimental, then ok |
| 16:43.10 | snowshelbi | i hear annoying noises ! |
| 16:43.13 | jethro | !moron marcel_ |
| 16:43.14 | snowshelbi | lol |
| 16:43.14 | dpkg | marcel_: You are moron #99 |
| 16:43.17 | cddesjar | anyone in here running etch? i have been thinking upgrading and was wondering about there experiences |
| 16:43.19 | snowshelbi | thanks guys :) |
| 16:43.19 | marcel_ | but why put gnome 2.10 while it is broken |
| 16:43.29 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: it's fixed? great! |
| 16:43.31 | cddesjar | ;) |
| 16:43.31 | jethro | marcel_: why use sid if you're clueless ? |
| 16:43.41 | marcel_ | how do i downgrade to gnome 2.8? |
| 16:43.41 | greycat | cddesjar: if you have any doubt, I'd hold off for a little while until things stabilzie |
| 16:43.43 | jethro | !lart marcel_ |
| 16:43.51 | greycat | marcel_: purge gnome, fix your sources, reinstall gnome |
| 16:43.58 | greycat | !remove gnome |
| 16:43.58 | dpkg | remove gnome is probably apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove rest. |
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| 16:44.18 | marcel_ | so only gnome is broken? |
| 16:44.29 | jethro | no |
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| 16:44.35 | greycat | there's gnome stuff that doesn't depend (hierarchically) on libgnome2-common? like what? |
| 16:44.54 | marcel_ | what is broken then? |
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| 16:45.22 | Dr_O | l4vim: ping! |
| 16:45.33 | snowshelbi | cddesjar, yea it's fixed. now onto checking if my mp3 files on my ntfs partition are still working :D |
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| 16:45.46 | apfel | It seems like I can start only two simultaneous downloads from within firefox. Is this a restriction of firefox or the server on the other end? |
| 16:45.55 | Zarox | anyone experienced in using drftpd 2.0 ? |
| 16:45.58 | cddesjar | great! good luck! |
| 16:46.05 | snowshelbi | what's a good mp3 player? |
| 16:46.07 | topa_ | are mozilla-sunbird packages available for debian ? |
| 16:46.11 | snowshelbi | i doubt there's a linux winamp is there? |
| 16:46.12 | cddesjar | amarok!!! |
| 16:46.16 | Face_Fantastic | xmms |
| 16:46.17 | topa_ | xmms |
| 16:46.19 | FieldySnuts | thank god no |
| 16:46.20 | cddesjar | xmms |
| 16:46.22 | js | snowshelbi: xmms is pretty close |
| 16:46.23 | daesotho | xmms |
| 16:46.25 | daesotho | hehe |
| 16:46.29 | Face_Fantastic | is amarok any good? |
| 16:46.31 | snowshelbi | ok xmms it is :p |
| 16:46.32 | cddesjar | wow... |
| 16:46.34 | Face_Fantastic | better than rhythm box? |
| 16:46.35 | cddesjar | i like amarok |
| 16:46.38 | RichiH | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050623/ap_on_fe_st/candy_bar_lawsuit |
| 16:46.40 | RichiH | heh |
| 16:46.41 | cddesjar | i think it is |
| 16:46.41 | Face_Fantastic | I heard its huge. |
| 16:46.43 | RichiH | nice one |
| 16:46.51 | daesotho | i'm hacking on rhythmbox right now |
| 16:46.52 | cddesjar | i have never had problems with it |
| 16:46.52 | snowshelbi | does it come with kde? |
| 16:46.57 | snowshelbi | or do i need to get it? |
| 16:47.01 | cddesjar | aptitude install amarok |
| 16:47.03 | snowshelbi | nvm |
| 16:47.04 | js | you need to get it |
| 16:47.08 | cddesjar | you'll need to install it seperately |
| 16:47.11 | cddesjar | or just use xmms |
| 16:47.13 | snowshelbi | it's already there |
| 16:47.15 | cddesjar | xmms is good too |
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| 16:47.20 | Zarox | anyone experienced in using drftpd 2.0 ? |
| 16:47.24 | Zarox | :/ |
| 16:47.26 | daesotho | i used to use xmms |
| 16:47.40 | greycat | Zarox: no, probably not. |
| 16:47.45 | daesotho | before i switched to rhythmbox for the automatic playlists |
| 16:47.45 | Zarox | :/ |
| 16:47.48 | tarzeau | daesotho: using Cynthiune.app now? |
| 16:47.50 | topa_ | daesotho working on anything in particular ? |
| 16:47.56 | greycat | why do people still develop new FTP daemons? WHY? |
| 16:48.01 | Face_Fantastic | I'm downloading amarok, its F almos 100mb. |
| 16:48.02 | tarzeau | greycat: hehe, :) |
| 16:48.03 | Face_Fantastic | almost* |
| 16:48.09 | Zarox | lol greycat |
| 16:48.13 | greycat | the only thing the world needs *less* than it needs a new ftpd is a new text editor |
| 16:48.18 | tarzeau | greycat: because they develop new ftp clients? |
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| 16:48.43 | daesotho | im making it so rhythmbox recognizes things with the right filename, size, and md5sum as the same file |
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| 16:48.48 | cddesjar | really it's almost 100 mb? i didn't think it was that big...i was thinking more like 10mb or so |
| 16:49.14 | snowshelbi | ok since i am here, how the hell do i kill an application if it freezes on me? |
| 16:49.17 | daesotho | so no duplicate entries or losing entries if songs get copied or moved |
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| 16:49.33 | claun | quien a configurado el modem zyxel 630-c1 |
| 16:49.40 | daesotho | snowshelbi: kill |
| 16:49.41 | cddesjar | you can burn cds from amarok too using k3b integration (however i still perfer good old trusty cdrecord in the term) |
| 16:49.47 | daesotho | that was easy |
| 16:49.55 | snowshelbi | daesotho, no task manager :p? |
| 16:49.55 | cddesjar | isn't it killall? |
| 16:49.58 | Face_Fantastic | cddesjar: After unpacking 92.5MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 16:50.04 | Face_Fantastic | :) |
| 16:50.08 | cddesjar | holy crap... |
| 16:50.17 | cddesjar | i didn't know that...it is kind of bloated then...lol |
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| 16:51.00 | daesotho | ps ax | grep -i name | grep -v grep | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | xargs kill |
| 16:51.15 | snowshelbi | xmms freezes when trying to play mp3s from my ntfs partition |
| 16:51.19 | topa_ | daesotho cool keep up the good work |
| 16:51.37 | tarzeau | snowshelbi: lol! xmms sucks |
| 16:51.41 | tarzeau | snowshelbi: try cynthiune.app |
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| 16:51.52 | daesotho | tarzeau: for windowmaker? |
| 16:52.07 | jaybar | any one know how to change monitor refresh from 75 back down to 60 for a nec multisync.. thats suposed to be optimal for mine but cant find where the setting is in the howtos |
| 16:52.24 | Zarox | where the hell can I get keytool :/ |
| 16:52.29 | tarzeau | daesotho: no for GNUstep |
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| 16:52.34 | daesotho | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:52.40 | daesotho | tarzeau: yea that |
| 16:52.41 | daesotho | hehe |
| 16:53.06 | daesotho | `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` will allow you to change the refresh rate |
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| 16:53.23 | jaybar | dadexter: tried that. it just leaves it at 75.. |
| 16:53.37 | tarzeau | holy cow! |
| 16:53.38 | daesotho | assuming you havn't already manually modified /etc/x11/XF86Config |
| 16:53.39 | jaybar | sorry meant daesotho |
| 16:53.43 | daesotho | heh |
| 16:53.55 | jaybar | i did edit it |
| 16:54.00 | jaybar | oops |
| 16:54.01 | daesotho | if you have, i forget the command to fix it -_- |
| 16:54.16 | daesotho | something about an md5sum |
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| 16:54.25 | daesotho | in /var |
| 16:54.27 | snowshelbi | question: you know in windows how a lot of times restarting is required to have an application properly running, is this required in linux as well? |
| 16:54.29 | jaybar | oh yeah i read something bout that |
| 16:54.36 | jaybar | i better chk it out |
| 16:54.39 | jaybar | thanx man |
| 16:54.50 | cddesjar | anyone know how to edit the debian menu? i am trying to edit the windowmaker menu |
| 16:55.22 | jaybar | do i have to reboot for the settings to take effect? |
| 16:55.35 | Zarox | erm in what dir is the javainstalled ? |
| 16:55.41 | cddesjar | snowshelbi: no i don't think so...most of the time restarting is unnecessary |
| 16:55.49 | snowshelbi | tarzeau, i installed cynthiune but where the hell is it? |
| 16:56.04 | Zarox | well basicly anything with what I use apt install ? |
| 16:56.10 | tarzeau | snowshelbi: start it with Cynthiune |
| 16:56.18 | tarzeau | snowshelbi: if you got debian menu, it's also in the menu |
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| 16:56.23 | intension | hi |
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| 16:57.12 | claun | modem zyxel 630-c1 |
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| 16:57.28 | cddesjar | my issue with the debian menu is that i installed azureus and it needs to be manually entered and i don't konw how to |
| 16:57.45 | cddesjar | i am lazy and don't want to go to the terminal everytime |
| 16:58.08 | PolarWolf | cddesjar: file a bugreport for the maintainer to add a debian-menu entry for it |
| 16:58.16 | tarzeau | snowshelbi: also install gnustep and gnustep-devel , it's really cool! and supertux and supertransball2 |
| 16:58.17 | claun | modem zyxel 630-c1 |
| 16:58.18 | Seb | 'morning |
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| 16:58.51 | cddesjar | PolarWolf: how do i go about that? |
| 16:59.12 | thomas_adam | cddesjar: The debian menu system relies on the packages providing a hook file for it -- if it doesn't it doesn't get an entry. So you either bug the package mantiner, or you read the menu docs -- which you can find in /usr/share/doc/menu -- but you're lazy and probably won't do that. The answer to yur question is in there -- and you'd have it answered by now if you weren't so lazy. |
| 16:59.21 | Seb | cddesjar: run reportbug packagename |
| 16:59.37 | PolarWolf | cddesjar: install reportbug, and do what Seb just said |
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| 16:59.51 | xiaomai | hey, does the bash printf not allow me to do stuff like printf("blah%s, blah%s", $var1, $var2)? |
| 16:59.51 | cddesjar | thomas_adam: i have read man menu thanks |
| 16:59.53 | PolarWolf | cddesjar: Better, add it yourself and send in a patch to go with the report |
| 16:59.53 | Seb | poq: oh I thought reportbug was a base thing, see :) |
| 17:00.00 | snowshelbi | tarzeau, yeah maybe later. but now i have a bigger problem |
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| 17:00.01 | thomas_adam | cddesjar: No, clearly you haven't. |
| 17:00.04 | Seb | xiaomai: #bash ? |
| 17:00.05 | snowshelbi | i dont think that it's a question of player |
| 17:00.10 | greycat | xiaomai: help printf |
| 17:00.28 | snowshelbi | it just seems that the files take too long to access! |
| 17:00.31 | intension | xiaomai and more |
| 17:00.37 | cddesjar | thomas_adam: actually i have why don't you run man menu and see if you come up with a way to edit the menu...thanks |
| 17:00.54 | thomas_adam | cddesjar: I said the DOCS in /usr/share/doc/menu -- not the manpage. |
| 17:01.01 | poq | hey, suddenly I get weird flood messages as follow: "keyboard: unknown scancode e0 12". any ideas why I get this message(which ruins my console, because it gets flooded by these messages. thanks |
| 17:01.05 | snowshelbi | cyntiune was freezin too, and finally managed to play a second from my mp3 file then it died |
| 17:01.08 | PolarWolf | cddesjar: The hard way? Add a menu definition file and run `update-menus` |
| 17:01.40 | xiaomai | greycat, see it seems like it should... (maybe w/out parenthesis and commas), but it's not working for me. aren't the 'format specifications that cause the printing of the next argument' just like the placeholders in c's printf? |
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| 17:02.04 | greycat | xiaomai: show *actual* code. |
| 17:02.11 | Error_X | Is there a good partition manager for debian? |
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| 17:02.22 | thomas_adam | Error_X: cfdisk |
| 17:02.25 | greycat | xiaomai: imadev:~$ w=world; printf "hello %s\n" $w |
| 17:02.25 | greycat | hello world |
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| 17:02.43 | xiaomai | printf "ramUsed:%s swapUsed:%s memCached:%s" $ramUsed $swapUsed $memCached |
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| 17:02.56 | greycat | looks valid. |
| 17:03.02 | intension | comma's ? |
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| 17:03.06 | greycat | intension: no |
| 17:03.10 | snowshelbi | so anyone knows why my mp3's from the ntfs partition are not being played? |
| 17:03.40 | xiaomai | greycat, oh suck... i just forgot to save the file, that's why i was getting syntax errors (sorry, i'm lame) |
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| 17:04.30 | Seb | snowshelbi: how are they not being played ? How are they accessed ? |
| 17:04.32 | snowshelbi | the changes i made to /etc/fstab seem to be good sincei cant access /mnt/windows and read text files and view imges without any problem |
| 17:04.44 | Seb | snowshelbi: well do ls -l on one of those mp3s |
| 17:05.09 | snowshelbi | i tried with cynthiune and xmms. both freeze |
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| 17:05.26 | Seb | snowshelbi: ls -l /mnt/ntfs/the.mp3 |
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| 17:05.48 | intension | maybe he needs Xls ? |
| 17:06.04 | mith | what do you use to make partial debian mirrors? eg, I only want to mirror the base sarge system, packages x, y, z, and their dependancies |
| 17:06.24 | intension | or Kls ? |
| 17:06.44 | cddesjar | thomas_adam: ok i found my answer in the readme in /usr/share/doc/menu thanks for directing me there |
| 17:06.59 | thomas_adam | cddesjar: Uh huh. |
| 17:07.10 | Error_X | How can I use cfdisk for hdb? |
| 17:07.20 | snowshelbi | -r-xr-xr-x 2 root root 1774322 Aug 17 2004 mindless self indulgence - cocaine and toupees.mp3 |
| 17:07.23 | Seb | Error_X: cfdisk /dev/hdb as root |
| 17:07.25 | cmihai | Hmf, Doom3 doesn't seem to run so well on Linux. It's "slow" as hell. |
| 17:07.33 | cmihai | Guess that's why they called it doom... |
| 17:07.44 | liran | anyone ever had experience with a wireless ew7106pc card (rtl8180 chipset) |
| 17:07.46 | snowshelbi | hmm. do you think that the fact there are spaces in the filenames might be a problem? |
| 17:07.50 | liran | its giving me the sh1t |
| 17:07.52 | liran | :p |
| 17:07.52 | Seb | snowshelbi: so you should be able to access it, then, as far as permissions go |
| 17:07.55 | mahmoud | hello...I'm recompiling the kernel to add support to the "perfctr" module...it builds and installs fine, but when it boots it complains about a missing "/lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.dep" although it's there...any idea? |
| 17:08.05 | snowshelbi | i read somewhere that linux is not a fan of spaces in names! |
| 17:08.06 | dbeal | cmihai: try running doom2; that will go faster |
| 17:08.10 | Seb | snowshelbi: apt-get install mpg321 ; mpg321 /path/to/the.mp3 |
| 17:08.21 | Seb | snowshelbi: nah, that's not it. linux does fine with spaces in filenames |
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| 17:08.56 | intension | snowshelbi or you "" the filename |
| 17:09.14 | snowshelbi | ah. Noatun is playing some Alexisonfire.... |
| 17:09.27 | snowshelbi | weird...both xmms and cyathiune couldnt play the same file! |
| 17:09.34 | greycat | snowshelbi: it's *script writers* who screw it up, not Linux. |
| 17:09.45 | greycat | snowshelbi: use tab completion. |
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| 17:10.04 | snowshelbi | yah, i am still not used to that :p. i still type all the stuff :S |
| 17:10.05 | greycat | "xmms la la la.mp3" is going to fail. "xmms la\ la\ la.mp3" will work, and bash will put the \'s in for you. |
| 17:10.17 | PolarWolf | snowshelbi: dumbass |
| 17:10.21 | cmihai | dbeal: good point. I'm sure it will. Hell, might give good old Wolfenstein (wolf3d) a go. |
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| 17:10.57 | snowshelbi | PolarWolf, yes i know |
| 17:11.11 | dbeal | cmihai: if you still experience slowdowns, then try wizardry |
| 17:11.16 | snowshelbi | everytime i catch myself typing a filename i am like "doh" |
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| 17:13.12 | greycat | dbeal: which one? wiz1-5 are floppy-based games that don't use any installed OS. wiz6-7 are DOS games. wiz8 is 3d Win32. |
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| 17:13.48 | Zarox | If ant and java/javac aren't in your path, edit /etc/profile and add lines like the following to the bottom of the file replacing the paths with the actual paths on your system: |
| 17:13.49 | Zarox | * PATH="/usr/java/jdk1.5.0/bin:$PATH"; export PATH |
| 17:13.49 | Zarox | * PATH="/usr/share/ant/bin:$PATH"; export PATH |
| 17:13.56 | Zarox | do I just edit the profile file ? |
| 17:14.00 | greycat | Zarox: ignore that. do it the right way. |
| 17:14.04 | Seb | greycat: that was a french song, wasn't it ? |
| 17:14.08 | Zarox | hows ? |
| 17:14.12 | greycat | Zarox: apt-get install ant, and read the "install java" factoid in dpkg. |
| 17:14.27 | Zarox | k |
| 17:14.36 | Zarox | well its already installed :/ |
| 17:14.54 | greycat | Zarox: then get a unix book. learn what these commands and files *do*. |
| 17:15.00 | greycat | !wikifaq Zarox DotFiles |
| 17:15.01 | dpkg | Zarox: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:15.15 | Zarox | lol |
| 17:15.29 | greycat | dbeal: closed *specifications* is the problem here. |
| 17:16.03 | ix | s/is/are |
| 17:16.08 | ix | or |
| 17:16.29 | ix | my god. how embarrasing. |
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| 17:16.44 | dbeal | greycat: the problem is that i bought one, and am too cheap to get a real workstation card |
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| 17:17.21 | dbeal | greycat: cause they can keep their shitty specs closed for all i care (though i do care) |
| 17:17.33 | amorphix | ive just installed a new soundcard in my sys but i have no idea what make/model it is, is there a way to check in Debian and see if it's supported? |
| 17:17.37 | greycat | dbeal: the other problem is that both of the major vendors are equally evil. |
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| 17:17.40 | dbeal | but only cause i happen to have one of their cards; but that's it. |
| 17:17.43 | amorphix | (pci card) |
| 17:18.10 | darxeth | the shitty thing in firefox is that you are bound to the page you are downloading from :( how can i change that! |
| 17:18.11 | greycat | I've got some ATI cards and some nvidia cards; but I don |
| 17:18.16 | greycat | 't do 3d games in linux |
| 17:18.27 | dbeal | greycat: there are more than two major vendors, if you want to think outside of the gaming sphere..(though it's really a dipole as you describe it). |
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| 17:19.12 | nadim | considering buying a quad Opteron - is there debian/kernel support for such a system ? Is there a website/doc/URL I can read more about this topic ? |
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| 17:20.02 | greycat | nadim: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 17:20.23 | dbeal | software renderers > * |
| 17:21.28 | nadim | greycat: thanks |
| 17:21.43 | dbernar1 | where do you find out how to edit the |
| 17:21.44 | dbernar1 | x |
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| 17:22.11 | dbernar1 | sorry, how to edit the XF86Config-4 file? |
| 17:22.14 | tobe | can somebody help me out |
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| 17:23.58 | Draconicus | My kernel is correctly compiled and such, but a GRUB issue is resulting in "not syncing: TFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(0,0). I know that the root partition is on /dev/hda1, and that's what it's set to. What's wrong? |
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| 17:24.42 | Error_X | I can't find ext3 in cfdisk |
| 17:24.47 | Phated | !drxx dbernar1 |
| 17:24.48 | dpkg | dbernar1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 17:24.53 | apfel | What's the directory to put new codecs for mplayer? |
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| 17:24.59 | dbernar1 | ok, thanks. |
| 17:25.04 | Phated | Error_X: You're not supposed to. A partition type isn't a filesystem. |
| 17:25.26 | rikva | x8 i am ging to eat |
| 17:25.30 | Error_X | I know, but I thought you have to specify the filesystem you want to use on a new partition |
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| 17:25.39 | rikva | oops, wrong window >.< |
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| 17:25.49 | amorphix | ive just installed a new soundcard in my sys but i have no idea what make/model it is, is there a way to check in Debian and see if it's supported? |
| 17:26.01 | Phated | Error_X: You do that later. |
| 17:26.19 | quitte_ | amorphix: what does lspci say it is? |
| 17:26.23 | Error_X | Phated: Hmm after creating and writing the table? |
| 17:26.28 | Phated | Error_X: Yes. |
| 17:26.32 | Error_X | k |
| 17:26.38 | topa_ | hmm looks like X.org is moving into experimental soon .. :) |
| 17:26.56 | amorphix | quitte_ C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 |
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| 17:27.16 | Zarox | greycat |
| 17:27.22 | Zarox | I actually wanted to know |
| 17:27.29 | Zarox | If I added the lines like that |
| 17:27.39 | Zarox | even if I edit the proper dir |
| 17:27.44 | Error_X | Phated: So what do you do after writing? Go to Type, and select file system? |
| 17:27.44 | Draconicus | I feel like I'm intentionally ignored or something. I ask fairly simple questions and I'm never answered. |
| 17:28.16 | dbernar1 | hehe, that reconfigure isnt that easy... |
| 17:28.17 | Draconicus | Rarely, rather. |
| 17:28.26 | Phated | Error_X: Not in cfdisk. |
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| 17:28.33 | Error_X | Phated: Where? |
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| 17:28.51 | Phated | Error_X: where, precisely, are you doing this? |
| 17:29.00 | Error_X | Phated: in root |
| 17:29.06 | Error_X | shell |
| 17:29.11 | jdhutchin1 | Draconicus, maybe no one here knows, and it's not your right to have your question answered, and no one is intentionally ignoring you |
| 17:29.14 | Phated | Error_X: You mkfs.ext3, then. |
| 17:29.20 | bourneagain | Hello, my question is this. I am currently doing PXE network installs of Debian, but I need to go much much further and create complete workstation install automation without ANY user intervention - this includes not even asking the user to get a certificate for SSH on first use. How do I go about doing this. Oh and I also want to be able to modify what is installed on each client computer after a reboot automatically. Any ideas |
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| 17:29.42 | jdhutchin1 | bourneagain, read the debian install manual, it talks about fully-automatic installs |
| 17:29.43 | ZomooN | hi |
| 17:29.49 | DanC | I upgraded a bunch of debian stuff and now the font in emacs is ugly. clues, anyone? |
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| 17:29.50 | dumpling | hi,all |
| 17:29.51 | ZomooN | how to install TCL on debian? |
| 17:30.00 | ZomooN | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.01 | DanC | ZomooN, have you tried apt-get install tcl ? |
| 17:30.04 | Draconicus | jdhutchin1: I know, but somebody else asked a similar question, though not the same, and it was answered immediately. |
| 17:30.07 | DanC | or apt-cache search tcl |
| 17:30.16 | Face_Fantastic | I recently installed amaroK, and it wont run at all. |
| 17:30.16 | thomas_adam | ZomooN: apt-cache install tcl8.4 |
| 17:30.26 | ZomooN | E: Package tcl has no installation candidate |
| 17:30.29 | dumpling | how to use xplanet as fluxbox's background? |
| 17:30.32 | Draconicus | I'd rather my previous rant was ignored, anyway. |
| 17:30.34 | ZomooN | ok |
| 17:30.51 | bourneagain | jdhutchin1: I will read it and possibly come back and ask the question again. I have read hundreds of pages of material so far. |
| 17:30.53 | dbernar1 | But I got it done, thanks, Phated. |
| 17:31.00 | ZomooN | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.02 | ZomooN | E: Invalid operation install |
| 17:31.03 | Phated | Eh? |
| 17:31.04 | ZomooN | wrong! |
| 17:31.17 | Phated | ZomooN: apt-get install |
| 17:31.19 | dbernar1 | not much, I got the resolution done, thanks. |
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| 17:32.26 | DanC | any clues as to why emacs21 chooses an ugly font? |
| 17:32.30 | ZomooN | someone help guys |
| 17:32.33 | bourneagain | jdhutchin1: I am reading 4.7 now. |
| 17:32.37 | ZomooN | need to install tcl on my machine. |
| 17:32.42 | DanC | ZomooN, type: apt-get install tcl8.4 |
| 17:32.51 | ZomooN | k |
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| 17:33.12 | ZomooN | dont |
| 17:33.13 | ZomooN | done |
| 17:33.14 | ZomooN | ty |
| 17:33.18 | DanC | sure |
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| 17:33.28 | dumpling | anybody helps me |
| 17:34.13 | marius- | hey guys, i'm having trouble setting up sound. everything works with only one thing playing (using oss), and also when there are two ore more things playing (using alsa or esd), but i can't get programs using oss (eg frozen-bubble) to work when for example playing mp3s with xmms using alsa... i could tell sdl to just use alsa, but it'd be troublesome to tell every indivitual oss program to use alsa... any ideas? |
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| 17:34.42 | marius- | i tried numerous guides, but none seemed to help... |
| 17:35.00 | ZomooN | oh |
| 17:35.11 | dumpling | marcel: try aoss |
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| 17:35.16 | ZomooN | i installed the tcl, now iam compiling an eggdrop, it says no tcl found |
| 17:35.16 | jdhutchin1 | marius-, are you using oss and alsa, or alsa oss emulation? |
| 17:35.20 | ZomooN | whats the problem? |
| 17:35.21 | Zarox | export PATH |
| 17:35.21 | Zarox | JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun" |
| 17:35.21 | Zarox | export JAVA_HOME |
| 17:35.21 | Zarox | umask 022 |
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| 17:35.33 | Zarox | oops |
| 17:35.41 | cahoot | marius-: already digested this? http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html |
| 17:35.43 | jdhutchin1 | ZomooN, do you need any -dev packages? |
| 17:35.47 | Zarox | JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun" |
| 17:35.47 | Zarox | export JAVA_HOME |
| 17:35.53 | ZomooN | Tcl cannot be found on this system. |
| 17:35.55 | Phated | ZomooN: You want the tcl development bits, then. apt-cache search tcl | grep dev |
| 17:35.59 | Zarox | that added to profile wont hurt it right ? |
| 17:36.01 | ZomooN | and i just installed the tcl ;/ |
| 17:36.10 | kev_ | i just installed 3.1 last night and am trying to get openvpn to work. the version i installed is 2.0 but i need to go back to version 1.6 to be compatible with the "other end" of the vpn tunnel. how do i go about finding and installing the deb? |
| 17:36.20 | marius- | dumpling, that won't produce any sound either :( |
| 17:36.33 | Phated | ZomooN: See, this is what happens when you don't state clearly what you want in the first place. |
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| 17:36.33 | marius- | jdhutchin1, i'm trying to make my system only use alsa |
| 17:36.34 | DanC | ZomooN, there might be a tcl84-dev package that you need to install if you want to do development on top of tcl |
| 17:36.36 | jdhutchin1 | kev_, you could check google or packages.debian.org, oldstable might have 1.6 |
| 17:36.41 | jasoncohen | kev_, why? i thought they work together |
| 17:36.47 | marius- | cahoot, checking it out |
| 17:36.48 | jasoncohen | kev_, isn't 2.0 backwards compatible? |
| 17:36.52 | ZomooN | so? |
| 17:36.57 | kev_ | jasoncohen: i'm getting errors about key_method mismatch |
| 17:37.15 | Phated | ZomooN: <shrug> It could have been solved before this. |
| 17:37.25 | jasoncohen | kev_, perhaps it's trying to use the wrong cipher |
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| 17:38.21 | jasoncohen | kev_, why is the "other end" using 1.6? 2.0 is far better- it supports hundreds of clients with a simple client/server mode, can fallback to backup servers, can randomly select servers, allows easy tunneling of all traffic through the vpn etc. |
| 17:38.25 | kev_ | jasoncohen: you're questioning this has made me rethink my approach. i'm looking into forcing the keytype.. |
| 17:38.38 | marius- | in short my question would be: how can i make oss programs use alsa without them knowing? the alsa-oss package doesn't work.. (aoss frozen-bubble produces no sound, for example) |
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| 17:38.43 | jasoncohen | kev_, you can force the keytype on the server and on the client |
| 17:38.53 | kev_ | jasoncohen: this is a quick fix to set up an office-to-office vpn. the "other end" will be updated in 1-2 weeks when i have time. |
| 17:38.55 | jasoncohen | kev_, you may want to add an option on the client to pull settings from the server |
| 17:39.16 | jasoncohen | kev_, wait a sec- i'll take a look at my client file |
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| 17:39.38 | neumayr | hi |
| 17:39.50 | jasoncohen | kev_, add pull to the bottom of /etc/openvpn/client.conf\ |
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| 17:39.58 | jasoncohen | kev_, then /etc/init.d/openvpn restart |
| 17:40.03 | kev_ | jason cohen: just the keyword "pull"? |
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| 17:40.17 | jasoncohen | or you can do openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/client.conf |
| 17:40.20 | jasoncohen | kev_, yes |
| 17:40.25 | jasoncohen | kev_, that'll pull settings off the server |
| 17:40.48 | jasoncohen | and therefore, don't specify a cipher on the client side |
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| 17:41.08 | jasoncohen | search for "select a cryptographical cipher" and make sure to comment out everything there |
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| 17:41.39 | jasoncohen | by default openvpn uses blowfish but you might be specifying a different cipher on the client or the server causing it to fail |
| 17:41.41 | kev_ | jasoncohen: openvpn 1.6 doesn't like the keyword "pull". but it does work fine with "key-method 2". |
| 17:41.52 | jasoncohen | kev_, oh yeah- forgot about that |
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| 17:42.01 | jasoncohen | kev_, key-method 2 became the default in 2.0 |
| 17:42.04 | kev_ | jasoncohen: in any case, thanks so much! it works fine now |
| 17:42.09 | empty | Are there any super-nifty tools for FS recovery on ext2/3? I have a partition insanely mangled by fsck I'd like to extract whatever I can from |
| 17:42.37 | ZomooN | mmmm |
| 17:42.42 | ZomooN | i didnot get the help yet! |
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| 17:42.44 | jasoncohen | kev_, http://openvpn.net/security.html - that explains what key-method 2 is |
| 17:42.45 | nvz | empty: that depends on if you mean ext2 or ext3, as there is no ext2/3 |
| 17:42.50 | ralf | gcc4 entered testing, when it will be the default compiler? |
| 17:42.56 | kev_ | jasoncohen: thanks. i just skimmed that page |
| 17:43.01 | ZomooN | I installed the tcl, but it cant be found on my system while installin an egddrop |
| 17:43.04 | empty | nvz, well, it *started* as 3, but fsck trashed the journal :( |
| 17:43.04 | ZomooN | someone help me plz. |
| 17:43.05 | ZomooN | ty |
| 17:43.08 | nvz | empty: or does that mean ext0.66 ? |
| 17:43.15 | cahoot | marius-: aoss frozen-bubble works here (SB Audigy) I suppose your problem is the lack of hw-mixing |
| 17:43.23 | jasoncohen | kev_, i guess pull was added in 2.0. anyways, glad you got it working. openvpn is great |
| 17:43.27 | snowshelbi | what's a good msn client (that has an msn messenger feel prefereably) for kde? |
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| 17:43.38 | js | snowshelbi: amsn? |
| 17:43.46 | nvz | empty: if its ext3 there is no recover for journalized filesystems |
| 17:43.46 | ZomooN | :< |
| 17:43.49 | marius- | cahoot: i get this error: Warning: Couldn't set audio fragment size |
| 17:43.56 | marius- | when trying f-b via aoss |
| 17:43.56 | jasoncohen | snowshelbi, gaim also supports msn |
| 17:44.01 | neumayr | uhm, i've got a problem.. after a few debian unstable updates i restarted my x server and since then all gtk programs seem to be broken :( it says "Pango-WARNING **: Cannot open font file for font Bitstream Vera Sans Bold 10" any ideas anyone? |
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| 17:44.08 | MasterC | moin |
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| 17:44.21 | empty | nvz, even though the damage happened in fsck and none of the inodes have been written since (have not mounted it rw) |
| 17:44.37 | snowshelbi | jasoncohen, i am using gaim but i dont like it much :S |
| 17:45.02 | MasterC | socket is a spam bot... |
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| 17:45.22 | cahoot | neumayr: I'd try: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 17:45.23 | MasterC | he is spamming with pr0n shit |
| 17:45.25 | bourneagain | jdhutchin1: Ok, I get the basic idea of dumping both the debconf database and the cdebconf database in /var/log/debian-installer/cdebconf to a single file and removing items that can not be preseeded. I always want to do a PXE boot first everytime are there any scripting methodologies developed in a package to do this you would recommend? |
| 17:45.26 | kev_ | an hd, running a bunch of raid1 partitions which in turn used ext3, crashed on me. i was able to mount and get data from the non-crashed drive on all but 1 partition. trying to mount that partition complains that it can't determine the fs type. specifying the type (-t ext3) fails too. any ideas on how to get the data? |
| 17:45.30 | nvz | empty: you should restore your backups I would guess, even on pure ext2 you would probably get thousands of unnamed arbitrary files if you tried to recover. |
| 17:45.30 | jasoncohen | snowshelbi, it's nice when you have accounts on several different protocols...it even does SMS |
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| 17:45.40 | empty | nvz, I thought that limitation was b/c ext3 will overwrite your inodes nearly instantly |
| 17:45.52 | empty | nvz, fuck I was afraid you'd say that |
| 17:45.58 | snowshelbi | jasoncohen, yes maybe it is nice but i dont use any other protocol :p |
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| 17:46.18 | nvz | empty: try running recover sometime.. its next to useless when it works, and when it sees ext3 it craps out |
| 17:47.52 | pmak_ | there is any browser like links2 that supports SSL? |
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| 17:48.42 | bourneagain | jdhutchin1: One basic idea I have is just to change the entries for the directory path for a particular MAC address to some other directory. So I can either leave the image in place, but I don't want the client computer using PXE booting to have to time out for a tftp file before booting. I guess I need some sort of null PXE file. |
| 17:49.24 | nvz | pmak_: elinks |
| 17:49.49 | Dr_O | bourneagain: you have 2 choices... use the hooks in debain installer and other wise Hack the debian installer to do the job... look at what debian-edu are doing? or look at the FAI packages.... I have not done a completely auto install myself but I think these are the two main metods. FAI is probably more mature at this stage. using the d-i hooks is probably a bit more bleeding edge at the moment. |
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| 17:50.45 | Stereo | !ops Can you please get rid of Socket? It's sending this on join: Socket | http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 17:50.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Can you please get rid of Socket? It's sending this on join: Socket | http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 17:50.46 | nvz | pmak_: it says nothing about being ssl enabled, and doesnt depend on any ssl libs, but the dummy package links-ssl points directly at it.. so.. *shrug* |
| 17:50.53 | Stereo | hi folks |
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| 17:51.12 | Stereo | I think one of the boxes I admin is being used as a spam relay |
| 17:51.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b Socket!*@*] by caphuso |
| 17:51.21 | Stereo | thanks caphuso :) |
| 17:51.25 | bourneagain | Dr_O: I have read the FAI manual twice. There are all sorts of interesting problems this methods seems to have. The first one of course is maintaining a local debian mirror. |
| 17:51.32 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 17:51.50 | bourneagain | Dr_O: Maintaining a local mirror looks like overkill. |
| 17:51.58 | Stereo | I'm seeing thousands of bounces for www-data@myhost, which leads me to think it's one of the sites I host with a security hole |
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| 17:52.23 | Stereo | I've got quite a number of vhosts, is there any good method for checking them all? What should I check for? |
| 17:52.27 | bourneagain | Dr_O: I was thinking about using SQID and setting up FAI PXE scripts to proxy to this. |
| 17:52.37 | pmak_ | nvz, thanks =], do you knwo any small browser like links? i have an old machine in home. PII 400mhz |
| 17:52.44 | hesc | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.48 | greycat | pmak_: links, dillo, opera |
| 17:52.51 | nvz | pmak_: for X or console? |
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| 17:53.04 | pmak_ | for X |
| 17:53.05 | Dr_O | bourneagain: Once you have tried a local debian mirror you'll nbever go back. I work for a UK university == fast internet connection. Even then a local debian mirror speeds things up significantly. even with ethe d-i menthod I'd recommend a local mirror |
| 17:53.06 | Zarox | what is the copy command ? |
| 17:53.09 | pmak_ | opera is heavy |
| 17:53.11 | greycat | Zarox: cp |
| 17:53.12 | nvz | Zarox: cp |
| 17:53.18 | Zarox | thx |
| 17:53.27 | greycat | Zarox: man -k copy |
| 17:53.28 | caphuso | greycat: damn, no |
| 17:53.31 | nvz | pmak_: you got a 400mhz, not a 40mhz, ffs |
| 17:53.37 | Zarox | green_earz I cant seem to make this path w/e work |
| 17:53.44 | pmak_ | nvz the problem is that i have only 32mb of ram |
| 17:53.49 | greycat | caphuso: hmm? is Socket showing up with the same nick from several hosts? |
| 17:53.50 | Zarox | greycat * |
| 17:53.53 | caphuso | greycat: yes |
| 17:53.56 | nvz | pmak_: and you are running X + KDE?? or what |
| 17:54.04 | pmak_ | nvz fluxbox |
| 17:54.05 | greycat | Zarox: what the fuck is a w slash e? |
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| 17:54.17 | nvz | pmak_: get rid of X, use screen for your wm on a console :P or get more ram ffs |
| 17:54.19 | caphuso | -!- Socket [~TakLaCi@81.213.66.26] has joined #debian |
| 17:54.22 | Zarox | what ? |
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| 17:54.38 | nvz | pmak_: what kind of ram does that POS take, and how many slots do you have used/free? |
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| 17:54.39 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.46 | pmak_ | nvz thats not possible, all apps are for X |
| 17:54.59 | nvz | pmak_: no all apps are not for X |
| 17:55.04 | greycat | !for x |
| 17:55.04 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
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| 17:55.14 | pmak_ | nvz amsn is for X |
| 17:55.19 | nvz | so who cares |
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| 17:55.37 | Dr_O | bourneagain: you can make pxelinx boot from local disk you know. Male the preseed url a cgi that as well as service th e preseed file changes the pxelinx config to default boot the local disk. If you have lot of identical machines you could use /dev/cmos to change the BIOS boot order to Disk before LAN after install. |
| 17:55.38 | pmak_ | nvz i use amsn |
| 17:55.43 | nvz | pmak_: real men use irssi to chat online, and it doesnt require X |
| 17:55.54 | Knowerrors | Hi all |
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| 17:55.59 | nvz | s/men/men and women/ |
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| 17:56.05 | pmak_ | nvz irssi? hmm, does it support msn? |
| 17:56.21 | caphuso | pmak_: that's what bitlbee is for |
| 17:56.24 | nvz | pmak_: not natively, but you just install bitlbee |
| 17:56.45 | pmak_ | hmm, let me install it.. |
| 17:57.15 | bourneagain | Dr_O: I Dr_O: thinking * .... *** ... |
| 17:57.32 | nvz | pmak_: I have ran old pcs before.. I can run with half what you got, doing everything from chatting, browsing, burning..etc from console. even the graphical apps you use probably have backends that don't require X |
| 17:57.52 | cart | Where can i find a php4-dbase package for debian? It doesn't exist in Sarge's repositories! :( |
| 17:57.53 | Knowerrors | got a problem with flash audio not playing in Firefox... using Debian with a 2.6.11.6 custom kernel with alsa module, any takers...? |
| 17:58.04 | pmak_ | and you used only console? |
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| 17:58.07 | nvz | pmak_: if you only have 32mb ram, X is whats heavy, not the apps. ram is dirt cheap, you can probably get 64MB SIMMs for $8 or less |
| 17:58.31 | Dr_O | bourneagain: I should type more slowly to get fewer typos... ;-) |
| 17:58.40 | nvz | pmak_: yes I use screen on a console. screen is your friend |
| 17:58.45 | initech | pmak_: you can even view movies with aalib in the console! |
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| 17:58.58 | nvz | or svgalib |
| 17:59.01 | pmak_ | nvz whats is screen? |
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| 17:59.14 | neumayr | .o( directfb ;-P ) |
| 17:59.15 | Dr_O | initech: hmmm! you need your eyes testing ;-) |
| 17:59.18 | pmak_ | movies? |
| 17:59.23 | nvz | pmak_: kind of like a shell multiplexer, or a window manager for your shell |
| 17:59.34 | caphuso | terminal multiplexer |
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| 17:59.43 | pmak_ | apt-get install screen? |
| 17:59.51 | nvz | pmak_: yep |
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| 18:00.17 | caphuso | it wouldn't be that useful if it could only handle shells :) |
| 18:00.19 | Dr_O | pmak_: /msg dpkg screen |
| 18:00.24 | nvz | heh |
| 18:00.47 | greycat | screen is the best program in the entire world with the possible exceptions of ssh and gcc |
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| 18:01.22 | nvz | if it could handle shells and cheese then it would be half way as useful as your average housewife |
| 18:01.23 | kokkoo | im in need of a bandwith shaper... ive got a debian box running |
| 18:01.35 | caphuso | kokkoo: wondershaper |
| 18:01.47 | Nezzie | i've got a read only ntfs file system on this computer, currently i'm running of a live cd, and i need to burn a directory that is full of subdirectoies that is 1.13 gigs total, how do i burn using mkisofs or something else so that i can make 2 cds |
| 18:01.48 | kokkoo | caphuso : url tnx :) |
| 18:01.58 | FieldySnuts | !gi kokkoo wondershaper |
| 18:02.03 | FieldySnuts | f... :( |
| 18:02.06 | greycat | nvz: you can run shells in it. cheese may have to wait for a new version. |
| 18:02.44 | pmak_ | thanks for those tips guys =] |
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| 18:03.54 | dbernar1 | why does my mplayer not open to play sound, should I set its plugin to esd at all? or which one? |
| 18:04.13 | caphuso | dbernar1: the one that works for you |
| 18:04.13 | greycat | esd is evil. |
| 18:04.16 | caphuso | we can't tell |
| 18:04.58 | nvz | pmak_: the important tip is buy some ram for that box.. its a 400mhz, and you are only getting 486 performance out of it because you can't spend $5-$10 on it |
| 18:05.02 | FieldySnuts | mplayer -ao help (or was it -ao --help) and play around , kill off esd first |
| 18:05.07 | dbernar1 | ok, thanks, Ill try them all, anyone know which one is default, that one worked:) |
| 18:05.25 | FieldySnuts | whatever is in ~/.mplayer/config or /etc/mplayer/config i think |
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| 18:05.28 | neumayr | damn bitstream vera, disappearing on me like that.. |
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| 18:05.49 | bourneagain | Dr_O: Thanks, the problems in a netshell is this. I have to set up a small cluster of around 16 computers to be remote supported. I am making some headway in understanding how to do this but even small stuff - Like when SSH is setup and the first time it communicates with a particular host asking for a certificate - is a problem. It is well - DRIVING ME CRAZY - thinking about ALL THE DETAILS. |
| 18:05.59 | nvz | pmak_: 64MB EDO SIMMs go for like $8 a piece, and 64MB PC100 DIMMs go for like $5 a piece. do the math, take out the 16 or 32mb chips, and get one or more 64MB chips for it |
| 18:05.59 | FieldySnuts | this is rediculous, most boring week I have ever had working anywhere, just nothing to do, nothing to make better, blah |
| 18:06.00 | pmak_ | nvz yes, i will do this... this screen looks only like a shell... |
| 18:06.20 | Shun | . |
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| 18:06.33 | nvz | pmak_: it has commands C-a (Ctrl+A) is the secret command C-a C, creates a new window for example |
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| 18:06.45 | FieldySnuts | left work for 1.5 hours yesterday, didn't tell anyone, got back, nobody knew i was gone, nothing happened either... yuck |
| 18:06.47 | davem | Is debian on the NetBSD kernel still being worked on? |
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| 18:07.03 | FieldySnuts | netbsd and it's kernel isn't free, right? |
| 18:07.09 | greycat | it's free. |
| 18:07.15 | neumayr | pmak_: C-a ? tells you what you need to know.. |
| 18:07.15 | davem | bsd license... |
| 18:07.23 | nvz | pmak_: it does all sorts of wonderful things, copy/paste, multiplexing, multi-attachment, detach, remote detach, power remote detach... blah blah bla |
| 18:07.32 | FieldySnuts | ah i must be thinking something else |
| 18:07.43 | greycat | BSDi perhaps |
| 18:07.51 | bourneagain | Dr_O: I will probably installing remote support on each computer. It is just too hard to do automatically. But the problem is this. We want as little running on the cluster slaves as possible. ETC |
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| 18:07.55 | FieldySnuts | gettin old, i can't keep track of all this hsit anymore |
| 18:08.17 | kokkoo | im in need of a bandwith shaper... preferably with a web interface :) |
| 18:08.18 | davem | The site about it hasn't been updated since 2002. |
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| 18:08.48 | FieldySnuts | didn't we just say wondershaper? if you need a web interface maybe you should stick with windows. nevermind if we didn't say anything to you yet. |
| 18:08.50 | bourneagain | Dr_O: Anyway, I appreciate your help. I think the local mirror is a requirement. In my case though I need to know how to manage a partial mirror. |
| 18:08.56 | nvz | pmak_: I run most my apps inside screen even when I use X. I can logout and detach my screen session when I leave, and it keeps all my applications running, detached from the terminal |
| 18:09.18 | FieldySnuts | screen rocks. |
| 18:09.43 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: if wondershaper is too complicated for kokkoo, he shouldn't be using a microwave |
| 18:09.43 | FieldySnuts | I agree, it's the most useful utility on a daily basis for me, period |
| 18:09.48 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: roger |
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| 18:10.34 | bourneagain | Dr_O: Any feeling about using squid as the "local mirror" or attempting to. The idea is that I would do the install only of required components then move the squid cache into a local mirror. |
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| 18:10.45 | kokkoo | FieldySnuts : since im already running squid proxy on the box, id be more than happy to run a shaper of some sort |
| 18:10.53 | Kepplar | Heya. I installed a package, but deleted the config file, removeing and reinstalling the package doesnt bring it back, what shall i do :S? |
| 18:11.00 | FieldySnuts | !confuse kokkoo |
| 18:11.01 | dpkg | Yes, what are our ferret today, kokkoo? pants of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 18:11.07 | FieldySnuts | ferret, that's a new addition |
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| 18:11.24 | initech | crabpaste doesn't go with pants |
| 18:11.28 | nvz | Kepplar: reconfigure it. if you can be less secretive about what package it is, maybe we could help more |
| 18:11.29 | EdibleText | mmm crabpaste |
| 18:11.32 | kokkoo | FieldySnuts : anything newer than something 2 yrs old perhaps ? |
| 18:11.51 | Kepplar | nvz: it was authmysql for courier |
| 18:11.53 | nvz | Kepplar: configuration files generally are generated by the user or debconf, and not part of a package |
| 18:12.32 | nvz | Kepplar: you could try dpkg-reconfigure the package, if it was created by debconf |
| 18:12.42 | FieldySnuts | kokkoo: i have no idea, never done such a thing |
| 18:12.48 | Kepplar | nvz: did that, and it did nothing |
| 18:12.56 | tcsetattr | !confmiss |
| 18:12.56 | bourneagain | kokkoo: I would not mention the w word here. I did awhile back :( |
| 18:12.56 | Dr_O | bourneagain: You can use debmirror to make a partial mirror of the official debian repositories. You can use mini-dinstall to maintain a local repository (NOT A MIRROR) or local and modified packages. |
| 18:12.56 | FieldySnuts | i always see people told wondershaper here, i'll go with what caphuso said about a microwave. |
| 18:13.01 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 18:13.01 | Stereo | how do I report an urgent bugs that leaves any debian machine with a certain package installed remotely vulnerable? |
| 18:13.07 | nvz | Kepplar: what file specifically did you delete? |
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| 18:13.17 | bourneagain | kokkoo: Write a package for webmin ;) |
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| 18:13.24 | jdhutchin1 | Stereo, contact the debian security team |
| 18:13.33 | Nezzie | can someone give me the ip of a public nameserver please |
| 18:13.36 | initech | Stereo: reportbug? |
| 18:13.41 | audian | This how-to says to use make-kpkg --append-to-version "-flavour" --revision 2.x.y-z --config old configure but it wont work, whats wrong with it? |
| 18:13.42 | Dr_O | bourneagain: You may want to investigate cfengine for managing configuration of the machines |
| 18:13.45 | Kepplar | nvz: authmysqlrc from /etc/courier |
| 18:13.50 | davem | dpkg is so trusting. |
| 18:14.04 | Stereo | jdhutchin1: how do I do that? |
| 18:14.09 | FieldySnuts | ns2.pbi.net. 159736 IN A 206.13.29.11 |
| 18:14.09 | FieldySnuts | ns1.pbi.net. 159736 IN A 206.13.28.11 |
| 18:14.10 | Stereo | initech: I'd rather do something quicker |
| 18:14.43 | nvz | !find authmysqlrc |
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| 18:14.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'authmysqlrc' (2): (/etc/courier/authmysqlrc) in mail/courier-authmysql ;; (/usr/share/doc/xmail/courier-configs/authmysqlrc.gz) in mail/xmail-doc. |
| 18:14.57 | nvz | Kepplar: ^ |
| 18:14.59 | initech | Stereo: ? it takes like 10 seconds |
| 18:15.14 | greycat | initech: if reporting a bug takes 10 seconds, you're doing it VERY wrong. |
| 18:15.14 | FieldySnuts | Nezzie: those i just pasted are the two official dns servers for your ISP, unless you wanted others |
| 18:15.16 | Stereo | until the security team reads it it's going to take hours |
| 18:15.27 | neumayr | Stereo: post it on bugtraq ;-P |
| 18:15.32 | bourneagain | Dr_O: Hmmmmm ... I will. Honestly I would say I have read over 2,000 pages of documentation already. My brain is about to fry. But hey what the heck. Here I do looking into cfengine! =) |
| 18:15.38 | Kepplar | nvz: thanks |
| 18:15.39 | gin_ | i can't found drivers to my Web-Camera Ezonics USB III, some thing compatibilite ? |
| 18:15.47 | Dr_O | bourneagain: rather than the squid approach... just share /var/cache/apt/archives between the machines...? |
| 18:15.50 | Stereo | it was posted on bugtraq, actually. Just noticed. With a full exploit, which was used against me. |
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| 18:16.05 | initech | greycat: typing the message takes whatever, but the rest of it doesn't take long |
| 18:16.09 | FieldySnuts | Stereo: what is this again? |
| 18:16.18 | nvz | webcams are next to useless IMO |
| 18:16.20 | Dr_O | bourneagain: of install one machine then use apt-move to make arepo from /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:16.21 | bourneagain | Dr_O: Very interesting idea |
| 18:16.27 | valdyn | ~[6~ |
| 18:16.29 | Nezzie | fieldysnuts: nope thats perfect thank you much |
| 18:16.36 | FieldySnuts | :D |
| 18:16.36 | greycat | maillog.2.gz:Jun 20 23:10:00 pegasus qmail: 1119323400.094325 delivery 14397: failure: Sorry,_I_couldn't_find_any_host_named_bugs.debian.org,._(#5.1.2)/ |
| 18:16.39 | greycat | Hrm. |
| 18:16.40 | sen5421 | when I try and SSH into my computer I get 'connection refused' this happened after I did an dist-upgrade to Sarge... how can I fix this? |
| 18:16.43 | FieldySnuts | ouch |
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| 18:16.58 | FieldySnuts | 140.211.166.43 from here |
| 18:17.01 | FieldySnuts | first lookup |
| 18:17.07 | Stereo | FieldySnuts: remote exploit |
| 18:17.09 | nvz | insecure teenagers and gays use them for online dating and relating. I've not found any other use for them |
| 18:17.12 | piped | sen5421: Perhaps the ssh service didn't restart |
| 18:17.20 | initech | greycat: in any case, reportbug takes the least time and lets you look at all the current bugs for $package right there to cut down on duplicates |
| 18:17.20 | FieldySnuts | Stereo: yeah i know that, but you got my attention (and I cleared my screen), what is it against? |
| 18:17.25 | sen5421 | piped, how do I get it started? |
| 18:17.27 | Stereo | cacti |
| 18:17.35 | piped | sen5421: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 18:17.35 | Stereo | FieldySnuts: lets any remote user execute anything with www-data privileges |
| 18:17.41 | Stereo | FieldySnuts: are you on bugtraq? |
| 18:17.41 | sen5421 | piped, k |
| 18:17.41 | FieldySnuts | Stereo: hrm. i saw an advisory for it yesterday or the day before, same one? |
| 18:17.45 | Stereo | yeah |
| 18:17.48 | FieldySnuts | Stereo: hell no not these days |
| 18:17.48 | Stereo | that one |
| 18:17.54 | Stereo | heh |
| 18:17.55 | FieldySnuts | Stereo: ah. |
| 18:17.59 | Dr_O | bourneagain: you could always role you own install by booting into an NFSroot (shared from the master node) which instals onto nodes local disk using debootstrap and local scripts to configrue the new system. |
| 18:18.06 | FieldySnuts | bugtraq these days is full of wankers and tits, sorry |
| 18:18.13 | sen5421 | piped, Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key |
| 18:18.17 | FieldySnuts | i miss it before it got "bought" or "aquired" or whatever |
| 18:18.19 | Stereo | the iDefense mail says: |
| 18:18.19 | Stereo | Debian also includes a package for Cacti, however, it is an older, |
| 18:18.21 | Stereo | unaffected version. |
| 18:18.33 | FieldySnuts | yet you were exploited, you're positive you're using the version in debian? |
| 18:18.43 | Stereo | 100% positive |
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| 18:18.47 | Stereo | try this: |
| 18:19.10 | FieldySnuts | shitty. i'd contact whoever wrote the debian package, and that advisor poster too, make sure debian security knows |
| 18:19.18 | albo | anyone know how to ensure convert uses a specified gs binary. it uses a different one when i cron convert than when i dont |
| 18:19.18 | Nezzie | i've got the dns server ip, and i stuck it in the top of the host file, but i still can't resolve, is there another file i must alter? |
| 18:19.21 | Stereo | wait, I'll actually /msg you if you don't mind me not sharing one of my addresses with everyone :) |
| 18:19.22 | FieldySnuts | i don't use cacti these days, got sick of it |
| 18:19.31 | bourneagain | Dr_O: I like the FAE method which always uses PXE as the primary boot. |
| 18:19.33 | FieldySnuts | Nezzie: you want to edit /etc/resolv.conf not /etc/hosts |
| 18:19.44 | Nezzie | ahh |
| 18:19.50 | nvz | what a boring day this has been :P I think I'll go rock out with my cock out, and if that doesnt turn out to be any fun, I might just hang out with my wang out |
| 18:20.13 | Dr_O | bourneagain: The problem is that the possibilities are almost endless! Good Luck!... (from what I have read FAI and cfengine tend to be good at installing clasrooms of machines) But what tdo I know!?! |
| 18:20.20 | Nezzie | fieldysnuts: it is altered, but still no luck |
| 18:20.21 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite nvz |
| 18:20.22 | ravenbird | nvz: why dont ya go spending all your doc on a town bike bloody hell mate |
| 18:20.38 | bourneagain | Dr_O: Well You have done it :) |
| 18:20.49 | bourneagain | Dr_O: Which is A LOT more then I can say. |
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| 18:21.00 | FieldySnuts | Nezzie: man resolv.conf make sure you're doing it right |
| 18:21.35 | gin_ | where can i find drivers to, WebCamera EZonics USB III |
| 18:21.37 | nvz | FieldySnuts: don't be jelous, you can sit out with your tits out.. that is if you are still being female these days. |
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| 18:21.48 | Nezzie | fieldysnuts, yup did it right nameserver x.x.x.x |
| 18:21.49 | sen5421 | piped, do I need to create new SSH keys? |
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| 18:22.08 | FieldySnuts | Nezzie: no clue then |
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| 18:22.32 | Dr_O | bourneagain: Hmm... I have done some bits of it. I've been working for a UK university for the last 3 years... Linux was a dirty workd when I arrived... Got about 10 Debian servers now... DNS servers about to go onto Debian too.. developedan NFSroot disaster recovery system and local mirror to keep thes in shape. was goign to investigate cfengine next but got a new job! |
| 18:22.37 | bourneagain | Dr_O: I agree the possibilites are endless. I started learning linux last week. Needless to say to get to this point I have felt like a man constantly falling off a clif. Once I find the edge of the cliff. It moves inwardly. Anyway - I have a handle on it. Have already got the cluster up and running. But now need to tune it. etc. |
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| 18:22.54 | Nezzie | fieldsnuts, whats weird is i can dig google and i get a huge thing from the root server, but i can't ping google |
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| 18:23.13 | Dr_O | bourneagain: new to Linux a week ago... Good going! |
| 18:23.29 | nvz | I am not going to sit around and wait for this fool to call me.. he does that crap all the time, asks me if I will be here awhile, and tells me he will call me back in a bit. then he calls me like a week later |
| 18:23.30 | sirius-2xl | gr8 |
| 18:24.01 | sirius-2xl | hi all. how do i get apt-get working |
| 18:24.02 | emRick | is there some way to run a script if the load-average goes over a certain threshold for, say, 60 seconds? |
| 18:24.03 | sirius-2xl | ? |
| 18:24.07 | bourneagain | Dr_O: Yeah ... I was forced into. I normally head up software devel stuff. But was assigned to this project because I am anal retentive about making things low maintenance. |
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| 18:24.31 | Nezzie | i've got a read only ntfs file system on this computer, currently i'm running of a live cd, and i need to burn a directory that is full of subdirectoies that is 1.13 gigs total, how do i burn using mkisofs or something else so that i can make 2 cds |
| 18:24.39 | sirius-2xl | it never finds any packages |
| 18:24.46 | Nezzie | or can anyone tell me how to make it read and write |
| 18:24.52 | neumayr | sirius-2xl you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list, then run at-get update.. |
| 18:25.04 | nvz | I am not the type to sit around and wait for the telephone to tell me I am alive. I dont much like the telephone to begin with, I'd sooner pay for my friends to have internet if it were just that simple |
| 18:25.06 | sirius-2xl | tnx neumayr |
| 18:25.10 | greycat | Nezzie: copy the data across your LAN to a Debian box. |
| 18:25.12 | sirius-2xl | later |
| 18:25.22 | Nezzie | greycat: i have no debian box, its a live cd |
| 18:25.23 | sen5421 | I can't connect to my computer using ssh ; the computer that I am trying to connect to is running SSH : Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd ; what do I do if my connection is refused? what creates this problem? I noticed this after a dist-upgrade to Sarge. |
| 18:25.29 | greycat | Nezzie: then we can't help. |
| 18:25.29 | Dr_O | bourneagain: you could have 2 linux installs on each client node. (1) a mini install that boots and rsyncs from master node to rest of disk then sets bootflag to other partition. (2) this is the other partiton that runs the the real programs |
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| 18:26.01 | Stereo | apparently there's a new version in unstable. This still leaves all the stable and testing boxes vulnerable. Is there anything I should do, contact the maintainer to ask him to rush the thing through? |
| 18:26.05 | Dr_O | bourneagain: to upgrade you would need a reboot though. |
| 18:26.06 | valdyn | Nezzie: why don't you use tar and bz2, so all your stuff might fit on one CD? |
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| 18:26.19 | Dr_O | bourneagain: would be quite light weight? |
| 18:26.29 | neumayr | sen5421 use ssh -v |
| 18:26.30 | pmak_ | this dillo is not good, why my apt can't find the opera pkg? |
| 18:26.35 | nvz | I'm off to do a whole lot of nothing, this towns favorite pass-time, I will probably run into my friends doing the same thing |
| 18:26.39 | Nezzie | valdyn i have no diskspace to put that tar on .. its a live cd and a read only ntfs |
| 18:26.42 | sen5421 | neumayr, thx, I will try that now. |
| 18:27.41 | bourneagain | Dr_O: Interesting idea actually. But then I would beed to find a way to install and maintain both from scratch automatically ;) |
| 18:28.08 | emRick | is there a way to kill processes that use up 80% of the CPU for over 60 seconds? |
| 18:28.33 | sen5421 | neumayr, nothing relevant was returned by the verbose messages ; I still am unable to connect : debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config ; port 22: Connection refused |
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| 18:28.41 | bourneagain | Dr_O: I guess the initial state problem is not there. The first time through it would have to also copy over the alternate partition. Thinking how initial state would occur on this. Any ideas? |
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| 18:29.21 | Dr_O | bourneagain: Ok so do netboot of NFSroot as the "mini-install". NFSroot rsyncs from master to node and reboots. |
| 18:29.24 | neumayr | emRick automagically? |
| 18:29.37 | emRick | neumayr: right |
| 18:29.52 | neumayr | sen5421 hm. what does a telnet on port 22 say? |
| 18:29.52 | emRick | neumayr: ideally, I'd like to run a script |
| 18:30.08 | bourneagain | Dr_O: Right and if I want to do a complete reinstall I control that via PXE and do a full install from the head node. |
| 18:30.50 | tarzeau | anyone wanna play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net now? #bub-n-bros azol bourneagain caphuso Dr_O emRick FieldySnuts greycat henke ircdevil jdhutchin1 Kepplar LoRez MrRagga neumayr offray piped quitte ravenbird sen5421 tcsetattr urbanfox[Vandal] valdyn wcb xdamienx yoo zeedo maybe? |
| 18:30.53 | Dr_O | bourneagain: Yep or a script on the NFSroot to fdisk/mkfs/mount/rsync |
| 18:30.54 | bourneagain | Dr_O: I think PXE should be in control somehow of where it boots from. |
| 18:31.17 | caphuso | tarzeau: stop that spamming |
| 18:31.25 | Dr_O | bourneagain: Yes... always boot as follows BIOS-> PXE->pxelinux |
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| 18:31.55 | FieldySnuts | agreed |
| 18:31.55 | Dr_O | bourneagain: pxelinux config is on master node and can be either... (1) boot NFS root (2) boot node disk |
| 18:31.55 | sen5421 | neumayr, telnet: Name or service not known |
| 18:32.03 | valdyn | Nezzie: try "man mondoarchive" |
| 18:32.06 | FieldySnuts | please don't ask me again, I'm not intersted, thanks though tarzeau |
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| 18:33.13 | Dr_O | bourneagain: if (1) then an custom init script on NFSroot partitions/mkfs/mount/rsync's from master's "node image" |
| 18:33.13 | neumayr | sen5421 huh? that's what it says when you do 'telnet <hostname> 22'? |
| 18:33.19 | bourneagain | Dr_O: Right or new install from PXE. Three possibilites. |
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| 18:33.31 | Dr_O | bourneagain: OK add another one! |
| 18:34.30 | sen5421 | neumayr, I did hostname:22 ; I fixed that mistake and now I get : telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 18:34.51 | Dr_O | bourneagain: I was envisaging the NFSroot doing a custom install rsyncing onto an empty file system... would need to then run lolo or somthin though I guess. |
| 18:35.13 | Dr_O | bourneagain: s/lolo/lilo/ |
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| 18:35.47 | neumayr | sen5421 do you have access to that box by some other means? like a console? |
| 18:35.52 | sen5421 | neumayr, do I need to do an ssh-keygen? |
| 18:35.59 | sen5421 | yes. |
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| 18:36.33 | neumayr | sen5421 what happens when you do '/etc/init.d/ssh restart'? |
| 18:36.52 | Dr_O | bourneagain: I've got to go now... hope that was helpful? |
| 18:37.12 | sen5421 | neumayr, Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd |
| 18:37.14 | bourneagain | Dr_O: It made me think. WHich is good. And it also shows me that planning this is good. |
| 18:37.52 | Dr_O | bourneagain: Good luck! |
| 18:37.54 | bourneagain | Dr_O: I think though that I will be updating the install packages on the head though and then doing an entire install everytime there is a change. |
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| 18:37.59 | bourneagain | THat is another way to do it. |
| 18:38.22 | Dr_O | bourneagain: You know "chroot" right? |
| 18:38.29 | sen5421 | neumayr, sshd is running ; sshd has a pid. |
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| 18:39.07 | ircdevil | tarzeau: no time for now |
| 18:39.14 | crashbg | can i use vlan for virtual interfaces like eth0:1 because iptables cant work with virtual interfaces |
| 18:39.24 | ThePlateau | can someone help me debug just why i cant install debian |
| 18:39.28 | bourneagain | Dr_O: I do now. Just looked it up. Ouch. My brain hurts =) |
| 18:39.29 | neumayr | sen5421 how about 'nmap -p 22'? |
| 18:39.32 | ThePlateau | ive tried severlal methods |
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| 18:39.35 | crashbg | something like vlan1=eth0:1 |
| 18:39.47 | crashbg | then iptables -o vlan1 ... |
| 18:39.56 | greycat | neumayr: lsof. lsof is your friend. |
| 18:40.06 | ThePlateau | i burned 2 dvds last night and after the first one takes like 15 minutes to scan all the packagesi t just it cant load cd components |
| 18:40.10 | ircdevil | anyone know any alternative helpers to make bst files aside from latex makebst ? |
| 18:40.48 | bourneagain | Dr_O: Thanks, very informative. I now know the basic methods that could be used. |
| 18:40.58 | ThePlateau | and the netinstall will download but either (a) fail while installing the boot loader or if it makes it past that, when i boot it has kernel panic and says something tried to kill init |
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| 18:41.16 | sen5421 | neumayr, 22/tcp closed ssh |
| 18:41.24 | ThePlateau | i dont get it, there arent any difficult options, there arent much at all |
| 18:41.32 | Dr_O | bourneagain: I said earlier "node image" you can do a complete debian install in a subdirectory (say /mnt) using debootstrap... you can then ' cd /mnt ; chroot . /bin/bash ' and then you care running a shell INSIDE the new install. This can be the image for the nodes which yoyu can install a kernel in and rsync to the nodes... or somthing.. |
| 18:41.36 | greycat | sen5421: lsof -i :22 |
| 18:41.37 | neumayr | greycat is it? doesn't seem very friendly to me.. |
| 18:41.44 | ThePlateau | has anone ran into problems like this? |
| 18:41.52 | greycat | neumayr: it's a FUCKLOAD better than nmap for revealing info about your own hosts. |
| 18:42.05 | ThePlateau | can u not here me? |
| 18:42.12 | ThePlateau | im going to ident and retry if u cant |
| 18:42.26 | bourneagain | Dr_O: You have given me a lot to think about. |
| 18:42.27 | greycat | jayparadise: yes, we hear you. |
| 18:42.37 | jayparadise | oh ok |
| 18:42.40 | bourneagain | Dr_O: Thanks!!!! |
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| 18:42.55 | bourneagain | Really appreciate the help. |
| 18:43.00 | sen5421 | greycat, that returned nothing. Do I need further information with that command for it to work as expected? |
| 18:43.01 | Dr_O | no worries |
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| 18:43.12 | jayparadise | this sucks i just wasted 2 dvds |
| 18:43.27 | greycat | sen5421: then nothing is listening on port 22. |
| 18:43.31 | greycat | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 18:43.33 | greycat | sshd 1665 root 3u IPv4 3321 TCP *:ssh (LISTEN) |
| 18:43.35 | sen5421 | k |
| 18:43.39 | jayparadise | whatrs the installation room? like #debianinstall? |
| 18:43.39 | neumayr | greycat maybe so. but for me lsof -i :22 only shows ssh connections, which is not what i wanted to find out.. |
| 18:43.44 | greycat | That's what it should say (different PID of course) if you had one. |
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| 18:44.02 | greycat | neumayr: then you aren't running sshd? |
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| 18:44.32 | sen5421 | neumayr, greycat, does the problem lie within the the /etc/ssh/ssh_config ? |
| 18:44.43 | neumayr | greycat yes i am. |
| 18:44.44 | greycat | sen5421: is sshd running or not? |
| 18:44.53 | sen5421 | greycat, it is running. |
| 18:44.59 | neumayr | sen5421 more likely sshd_config.. |
| 18:45.08 | greycat | sen5421: lsof -p $(pidof sshd) |
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| 18:45.14 | Nebulous | is anyone aware of any deb packages for postgresql 8.0 or higher? I found some mention of packages in experimental, but I haven't been able to find those |
| 18:45.28 | greycat | oops, that doesn't like it when there's more than one PID (child processes) |
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| 18:45.37 | aktinos | Nebulous: postgresql-8.0 in sid |
| 18:45.47 | greycat | arc1:/net/home/wooledg# lsof -p $(</var/run/sshd.pid) | grep LISTEN |
| 18:45.47 | greycat | sshd 1665 root 3u IPv4 3321 TCP *:ssh (LISTEN) |
| 18:46.42 | Nebulous | ah. I'm on etch. |
| 18:46.48 | sobersabre | guys how do i download a package ... is there a way with dpkg ? |
| 18:46.55 | greycat | sobersabre: apt-get -d |
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| 18:47.30 | Nebulous | okay, this could be ugly then, upgrading to unstable :P |
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| 18:47.47 | sen5421 | greycat, I have nothing returned. For the grep on "listen" of my sshd pid. |
| 18:48.01 | sen5421 | bad grammar |
| 18:48.03 | sen5421 | heh |
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| 18:48.19 | queuetue | I'm migrating a RHEL system to debian - debootstrap is installed and worked fine. I set up the second disk as the debian install and left the RHEL one alone on sda1. Upon booting, it panics at pivot_root, which led me to dig a little deeper... This box is remote, but it appears that "sdb" is actually a SATA disk ...that's serial ATA, correct? Are they supposed to show up as scsi? Does the standard -686 kernel support them? Any clue w |
| 18:48.19 | queuetue | hy the pivot_root is failing? |
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| 18:49.09 | neumayr | sen5421 grep is case sensitive by default.. |
| 18:49.11 | greycat | sen5421: then take off the "| grep ..." but DO NOT FLOOD US with all the output. Just make sure it's actually running. |
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| 18:49.43 | bwlang_ | I'm having trouble with r8169 ... using debian's stock 2.6.8 kernel. It won't support mtu bigger than 1500 |
| 18:49.43 | sen5421 | greycat, pastbin.ca ? |
| 18:49.50 | sen5421 | greycat, pastebin ? |
| 18:49.51 | bwlang_ | is there a patch? |
| 18:49.57 | greycat | sen5421: if you wish. |
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| 18:50.13 | neumayr | greycat ah, about the lack of lsof output, my fault - it needed root privileges to come up with the expected output. sorry. |
| 18:50.20 | jayparadise | is it normal to have to enter special boot parameters on the installation disc? |
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| 18:50.35 | greycat | jayparadise: only if you want to install the 2.6.x kernel |
| 18:50.52 | tarzeau | humidity sucks |
| 18:51.07 | greycat | you know what really sucks? vacuum. |
| 18:51.09 | sen5421 | greycat, http://pastebin.ca/15784 |
| 18:51.11 | jayparadise | i tried a few as well as none, and it scans the disc, seems like its working but fails to load components from the dvd |
| 18:51.16 | jayparadise | but it says failed to load from CD |
| 18:51.21 | jayparadise | so i dont know whats up with that |
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| 18:51.28 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.31 | greycat | be root, silly. |
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| 18:51.39 | neumayr | [... ...] |
| 18:51.55 | quittt | is there a way to use in fluxbox debian menu? |
| 18:52.08 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 18:52.20 | dbeal | greycat: a vacuum does not suck; it is the pressure outside it that pushes |
| 18:52.38 | neumayr | *g* |
| 18:52.46 | greycat | dbeal: it sucks as much as anything in nature can be said to suck. |
| 18:52.46 | quittt | is there a way to use debian menu in fluxbox? |
| 18:52.59 | greycat | dbeal: if a vacuum doesn't suck, then the word suck has no meaning whatsoever |
| 18:53.27 | tarzeau | heh and i work in the department of physics informatics |
| 18:53.35 | sen5421 | greycat, fixed : sshd 7054 root 3u IPv6 15601 TCP *:ssh (LISTEN) |
| 18:53.36 | sen5421 | greycat, http://pastebin.ca/15784 |
| 18:53.47 | bourneagain | I have yet another question. I am having problems with powering off on shutdown. I installed the acpi util and it says that the kernal does not support it. THis is the network install of debian sarge. Is it telling me the "truth". COuld it also be that it did not start? |
| 18:53.54 | greycat | sen5421: so you have an sshd, it's running, it's listening on the ssh port (22), and it's got PID 7054. Sounds good to me. |
| 18:53.56 | bourneagain | kernel |
| 18:53.58 | bourneagain | :) |
| 18:53.59 | bourneagain | ops |
| 18:54.05 | jayparadise | ive installed gentoo, freebsd, slackware and this is the only one i cant, i guess my hardware is either unsupported, or i got like 4 bad discs |
| 18:54.17 | jayparadise | bourneagain , does it have kernel panic? |
| 18:54.18 | sen5421 | greycat, now I just need to be able to connect to port 22 :-) |
| 18:54.19 | greycat | the only uncertainty I have is that yours says IPv6 instead of IPv4 |
| 18:54.25 | bourneagain | jay: no |
| 18:54.29 | greycat | I don't know IPv6 stuff. |
| 18:54.35 | bourneagain | jayparadise: no |
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| 18:54.41 | jayparadise | that happens to me on the netinstall it says something like sbin killed init |
| 18:54.51 | sen5421 | greycat, hmm... I don't know either. |
| 18:54.52 | bourneagain | jayparadise: right |
| 18:55.05 | bourneagain | jayparadise: Same thing here in thelog |
| 18:55.29 | neumayr | ah, ipv6 =) from what os are you ssh'ing from? |
| 18:55.31 | dbeal | it is not so outlandish to think that "nothing sucks" since the idea that "nothing is cold" -- that it simply lacks heat energy. |
| 18:55.48 | greycat | neumayr: doesn't matter -- this is lsof on the server end. it's independent of whether there *is* a client. |
| 18:55.56 | jayparadise | its odd, knoppix is debian basicly right? i just have to enter paramerters in that for it to get the xvrerefresh right. i dont understand how debian can be so less portable than knoppix |
| 18:56.04 | bourneagain | jayparadise: Any resolution to this? |
| 18:56.18 | neumayr | greycat suppose the client machine doesn't speak ipv6..? |
| 18:56.21 | jayparadise | i thought it was because i installed onto a usb scsi |
| 18:56.31 | amphi | jayparadise: _less_ portable? |
| 18:56.37 | dbeal | though saying that "nothing sucks" while agreeing (not likely) that a vacuum contains nothing is also saying that "nothing sucks" |
| 18:56.42 | jayparadise | not fitting architechtures |
| 18:57.02 | sen5421 | greycat, ssh: 71.112.195.187: Address family for hostname not supported |
| 18:57.25 | greycat | sen5421: you got that by typing "ssh 71.112.195.187" on a Debian box? |
| 18:57.34 | jayparadise | bourneagain, if the both of us have had that problem its probably common |
| 18:57.38 | neumayr | sen5421 does a 'ssh localhost' work? |
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| 18:58.28 | sen5421 | greycat, with the -6 switch. |
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| 18:58.45 | greycat | what happens if you *don't* use the -6 switch? |
| 18:58.57 | dbeal | i don't think that space walkers experience any special sucking sensation, even though they are in an almost complete vacuum. |
| 18:59.08 | greycat | dbeal: they would if they had no suit on |
| 18:59.22 | sen5421 | neumayr, yes, ssh localhost works. |
| 18:59.25 | quittt | how can I generate a Debian menu for fluxbox? |
| 18:59.32 | greycat | sen5421: any firewall? |
| 18:59.35 | FieldySnuts | create one |
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| 18:59.36 | Nebulous | greycat: well, obviously every astronaut that has tried taking their suit off in space hasn't come back to say there is a sucking sensation. |
| 18:59.52 | sen5421 | greycat, ssh: connect to host 71.112.195.187 port 22: Connection refused |
| 18:59.52 | greycat | Nebulous: I've heard you can survive about 30 seconds |
| 18:59.58 | greycat | Nebulous: but I haven't tested this. |
| 19:00.07 | greycat | sen5421: sounds like a firewall to me |
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| 19:00.22 | dbeal | greycat: then you're saying that the suck occurs when they take off their space suit? |
| 19:00.38 | Nebulous | it's official. Being in space without a space suit sucks. |
| 19:01.08 | neumayr | greycat well, nmap would have said 'filtered', wouldn't it? i think sshd listens on ipv6 and the client doesn't know ipv6.. |
| 19:01.19 | greycat | neumayr: nmap is CRAP. Ignore it. Never use it. |
| 19:01.35 | sen5421 | greycat, I used to be able to ssh into this machine ; no network hardware configurations were changed, the only thing I did recently was upgrade to Sarge stable. |
| 19:01.45 | greycat | neumayr: I don't know what "IPv6 *:ssh" means. It might mean it's listening on all addresses just like "IPv4 *:ssh" does. |
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| 19:02.05 | FieldySnuts | maybe your isp is blocking that port inbound (if over a wan), change the port it listens on |
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| 19:02.20 | S0n1 | have program best mplayer for mpeg? |
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| 19:02.27 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
| 19:02.28 | greycat | !be yoda |
| 19:02.30 | sen5421 | FieldySnuts, how can I change the port ssh listens to? |
| 19:02.35 | FieldySnuts | greycat: HEH |
| 19:02.35 | greycat | sen5421: edit sshd_config |
| 19:02.42 | tarzeau | !confuse S0n1 |
| 19:02.43 | dpkg | No, where was my snake yesterday, S0n1? wellies of the monarchy of tibet with extra herring |
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| 19:02.50 | trend | hello |
| 19:02.53 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 19:03.13 | trend | I need to delete the contents of a file.. basically i have a log file that is way to large.. and i need to delete everything it in :/ |
| 19:03.13 | sen5421 | greycat, the other detail I left out... my DNS did change during the time that I did the update... something like 64.x.x.x to 71.x.x.x ? |
| 19:03.20 | greycat | S0n1: we don't understand your question. |
| 19:03.21 | trend | how do i do that? i tried cat /dev/null >> filename |
| 19:03.31 | greycat | trend: > filename |
| 19:03.32 | FieldySnuts | echo "" > filename |
| 19:03.38 | sen5421 | editing /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 19:03.40 | FieldySnuts | technically not empty |
| 19:03.44 | greycat | FieldySnuts: that's not the same. It will leave 1 byte. |
| 19:03.45 | FieldySnuts | sshD_config |
| 19:03.59 | S0n1 | greycat : i don't like mplayer |
| 19:04.01 | trend | ahhh |
| 19:04.03 | FieldySnuts | then don't use it |
| 19:04.03 | trend | great |
| 19:04.07 | greycat | S0n1: then try xine, totem, etc. |
| 19:04.22 | trend | so the cat /dev/null >> file name just add s the contents of /dev/null to my current file? |
| 19:04.28 | S0n1 | greycat : what program i use for mpeg aplicattion |
| 19:04.30 | sen5421 | FieldySnuts, recommended alternative port # for ssh? |
| 19:04.31 | S0n1 | all right |
| 19:04.34 | FieldySnuts | no, it appends, you're not listening to us |
| 19:04.43 | FieldySnuts | sen5421: anything random |
| 19:04.50 | sen5421 | FieldySnuts, good |
| 19:04.51 | FieldySnuts | > replaces. >> appends. |
| 19:04.51 | neumayr | 31337 |
| 19:05.00 | FieldySnuts | !hack neumayr |
| 19:05.03 | tarzeau | !31337 |
| 19:05.04 | dpkg | i guess 31337 is what amir and Error403 are, or the s3cr3t l4uNch c0d3, or s***! that's the combination on my luggage!, or prime, or http://www.antioffline.com/rfc31337.txt |
| 19:05.11 | neumayr | damn. |
| 19:05.11 | FieldySnuts | haha space balls! |
| 19:05.11 | trend | FieldySnuts thats.. but i think that is what i said (?) maybe i didn't say it right |
| 19:05.12 | greycat | neumayr: no, not that one. some ISPs block that. |
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| 19:05.38 | error403 | what the hell? |
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| 19:06.23 | sen5421 | FieldySnuts, changing the /etc/ssh/ssh_config file alone still gives : Connection refused |
| 19:06.32 | error403 | why the hell am i in !31337 ? |
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| 19:06.36 | greycat | sen5421: DO NOT TOUCH THE CLIENT CONFIGURATION FILE!!! |
| 19:06.39 | greycat | sen5421: JESUS! |
| 19:06.43 | S0n1 | greycat : tanks man |
| 19:06.54 | neumayr | ... all this time i assumed it was a lan connection we were talking about... |
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| 19:07.15 | audian | Is there a way to search for a file? |
| 19:07.16 | davem | greycat: Why not touch the client config file? |
| 19:07.18 | sen5421 | greycat, what do I do then? |
| 19:07.40 | neumayr | sen5421 it's /etc/ssh/sshd_config. notice the extra 'd'? |
| 19:07.43 | tarzeau | audian: find? grep? |
| 19:07.50 | tarzeau | audian: ls? |
| 19:07.50 | sen5421 | neumayr, oops |
| 19:07.51 | sen5421 | k |
| 19:07.53 | sen5421 | bb |
| 19:07.56 | greycat | sen5421: the SERVER CONFIGURATION FILE, of which I have already told you the name (sshd_config), and of which FieldySnuts has already corrected your misspelling with a capital .... |
| 19:08.15 | audian | tarzeau, thanks |
| 19:08.16 | amir__ | what is the easiest way to install a wiki server on sarge? i see a lot of packages and i don't know which one to choose.. |
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| 19:08.35 | thomas_adam | amir__: aswiki |
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| 19:09.10 | tarzeau | amir__: moinmoin |
| 19:09.17 | tarzeau | or only moin, don't remember |
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| 19:09.29 | amir__ | alrighty, thanks guys. |
| 19:09.58 | neumayr | audian if the file was there yesterday you might want to try 'locate'.. |
| 19:10.09 | audian | neumayr, Im looking for /X11/XF86Config-4 but can't find it |
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| 19:10.38 | neumayr | checked /etc already? |
| 19:11.02 | audian | hrm |
| 19:11.08 | audian | maybe i mistyped it |
| 19:11.40 | audian | neumayr, it says it can't find it |
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| 19:12.07 | insomniac | hi..does kernel 2.6 have ntfs write support yet |
| 19:12.17 | greycat | insomniac: no |
| 19:12.25 | audian | neumayr, nevermind I found it, thanks |
| 19:12.28 | sen5421 | greycat, I changed the port # in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and then I restarted the /etc/init.d/ssh restart ... I see that when I try and log into the machine it still lists port 22? |
| 19:12.41 | greycat | sen5421: what's the actual Port line say now? |
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| 19:14.10 | sen5421 | greycat, in /etc/ssh/sshd_config I have "port 1777" ; when I try and ssh into that machine I get : ssh: connect to host 71.112.195.187 port 22: Connection refused |
| 19:14.17 | greycat | sen5421: you misspelled it AGAIN. |
| 19:14.21 | greycat | it's Port, not port |
| 19:14.31 | FieldySnuts | !lart sen5421 |
| 19:14.32 | stew | i can feel a plonk comming |
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| 19:14.53 | FieldySnuts | greycat: also make sure he restarts the daemon, and tells the client what port... |
| 19:15.03 | greycat | sen5421: also you are VERY confused about the difference between the client and the server. |
| 19:15.18 | greycat | when you type "ssh blah blah" that is the CLIENT. |
| 19:15.39 | sen5421 | greycat, right |
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| 19:15.48 | sen5421 | greycat, there is no confusion here. |
| 19:15.55 | greycat | the client defaults to port 22 and it has its own configuration file |
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| 19:16.00 | sen5421 | greycat, how do you perceive this confusion? |
| 19:16.04 | greycat | and its own command line options to override the port |
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| 19:16.22 | neumayr | sen5421 btw, you have to tell ssh which port to use. like 'ssh -p 1777 ...' |
| 19:16.24 | sen5421 | ssh -D <#> <host> |
| 19:16.29 | greycat | YOU WILL NOT MAGICALLY CONNECT TO PORT 1777 BY TYPING "ssh hostname" JUST BECAUSE YOU TOLD THE *server* TO USE PORT 1777. |
| 19:16.44 | greycat | The client does not read the server's config file. |
| 19:17.27 | sen5421 | greycat, take it easy, I just used -D instead of -p ; |
| 19:17.42 | audian | Ok, this might be a dumb question but how to I become root.. i cant edit this file in text editor |
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| 19:17.55 | sen5421 | greycat, that was fixed ; now I still get "Connection refused" |
| 19:17.55 | FieldySnuts | greycat: go away for 10 minutes, go outside. for your own health :) |
| 19:17.56 | greycat | audian: su |
| 19:18.00 | eye69 | audian: 'su -' and type root pw |
| 19:18.01 | tcsetattr | -D seems to have something to do with port forwarding. |
| 19:18.03 | FieldySnuts | !handhold sen5421 |
| 19:18.11 | sen5421 | tcsetattr, thx |
| 19:18.12 | audian | greycat, I tried that but it still wont let me edit it |
| 19:18.27 | sen5421 | FieldySnuts, hehe that is good fun. |
| 19:18.41 | greycat | !breastfeed sen5421 |
| 19:18.43 | FieldySnuts | lsof -i tcp:1777 please show me the output (only if it is short) |
| 19:18.48 | tcsetattr | if you had any English reading ability at all you'd know that -D has nothing to do with the ssh port |
| 19:18.54 | sen5421 | greycat, hilarious |
| 19:19.00 | dbeal | aptitude install netcat; nc 1.2.3.4 1777 <-- if that connects? |
| 19:19.00 | tcsetattr | -D is a SOCKS proxy portforwarder! |
| 19:19.16 | sen5421 | tcsetattr, heh |
| 19:19.17 | tcsetattr | (holy crap, SOCKS in ssh!) |
| 19:19.18 | neumayr | *g* |
| 19:19.31 | FieldySnuts | making it too complex for him, please stick to the lsof command i just gave, or i'm just gonna goa way |
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| 19:19.56 | FieldySnuts | !be a ssh barbie |
| 19:19.57 | sen5421 | FieldySnuts, sshd 7754 root 3u IPv6 18929 TCP *:1777 (LISTEN) |
| 19:19.57 | dpkg | Aww, ssh is hard! Let's go shopping, fieldysnuts |
| 19:20.15 | greycat | it still says IPv6. I have no idea why. |
| 19:20.17 | neumayr | <gir> i love this show... </gir> |
| 19:20.23 | tcsetattr | I wish IANA would open up the 1.0.0.0/8 netblock for use by ARIN... imagine the traffic you'd get if your IP address was 1.2.3.4 |
| 19:20.26 | greycat | but it also says *, so I think it's bound to all addresses. |
| 19:21.30 | neumayr | tcsetattr it's like having a yournamehere@$freemailer account.. |
| 19:21.35 | tcsetattr | iptables -p tcp --dport 22 -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset |
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| 19:22.03 | audian | greycat, so how do I edit this file as root? |
| 19:22.10 | sen5421 | tcsetattr, what is that command for? |
| 19:22.24 | tcsetattr | that's for blocking all ssh connections, it's just a guess |
| 19:22.24 | crashbg | hey i am curious what is the right syntax for commenting the beginning of a script and its end |
| 19:22.27 | greycat | audian: nano -w, if you don't prefer any other text editors. |
| 19:22.44 | audian | greycat, k |
| 19:22.44 | sen5421 | tcsetattr, k |
| 19:23.22 | greycat | crashbg: why would you comment the end of a script? |
| 19:23.38 | greycat | "# So long and thanks for all the fish"? |
| 19:23.49 | neumayr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.30 | crashbg | no i mean |
| 19:24.31 | Nebulous | sometimes you just have to get the last word in when dealing with computers. |
| 19:24.37 | crashbg | #SCRIPT1-begin |
| 19:24.38 | crashbg | 1 |
| 19:24.41 | crashbg | 2 |
| 19:24.41 | crashbg | 3 |
| 19:24.44 | crashbg | #SCRIPT1-end |
| 19:24.59 | greycat | what's the *point*? |
| 19:25.34 | crashbg | well i guess there is a standart |
| 19:25.43 | greycat | it's a fucking comment. |
| 19:25.48 | crashbg | hah |
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| 19:25.54 | Nebulous | the only point I could see that being useful is if you have multiple scripts in a single file |
| 19:26.03 | crashbg | yes Nebulous correct |
| 19:26.09 | sen5421 | FieldySnuts, would you know of a fix for using sshd on this host so that I can log into it remotely considering these changes haven't allowed for that? |
| 19:26.25 | caphuso | having multiple shell scripts in one file makes no sense |
| 19:26.41 | greycat | sen5421: we're still trying to determine why you can't connect. |
| 19:26.54 | neumayr | caphuso dude, go easy on the inodes ;-) |
| 19:26.56 | caphuso | and even if you had it, you could simple split it on every occurance of '#!/bin/sh' |
| 19:26.59 | greycat | sen5421: did we ever get to "telnet 127.0.0.1 1777" and "telnet YOURIPADDRESS 1777" yet? |
| 19:27.00 | sen5421 | greycat, k |
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| 19:27.48 | sen5421 | greycat, telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 19:28.02 | neumayr | sen5421 in both cases? |
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| 19:28.09 | greycat | sen5421: on both? just one? |
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| 19:28.40 | quittt | how do I make .Xdefaults work? |
| 19:28.47 | greycat | quittt: call it .Xresources instead |
| 19:28.55 | davem | hehe |
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| 19:29.08 | greycat | and if that fails, just xrdb -merge it. |
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| 19:30.24 | sen5421 | greycat, telnet <host> 1777 |
| 19:30.56 | quittt | greycat, after I do that restart X? |
| 19:30.57 | greycat | sen5421: I still smell a firewall. what does "iptables -L" say, apart from the headers and other meaningless crap? |
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| 19:31.06 | greycat | quittt: just run "xrdb -merge yourfile" |
| 19:31.19 | lampshade | I'm having issues with, of course, .htaccess. I've created my password file. I've created the .htaccess file and placed it in the directory. Everything looks ok in the .conf is there anything I am missing by chance? Permissions or something? |
| 19:31.48 | greycat | lampshade: how would we know what you're missing? |
| 19:31.54 | empty | lampshade, you have AllowOverride AuthConfig set for that area right? |
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| 19:32.22 | sen5421 | greycat, nothing shows up. |
| 19:32.28 | lampshade | empty: Probably not, that's probably what I'm missing. Lemme look into that |
| 19:32.48 | sen5421 | greycat, that is ; "apart from the headers and other meaningless crap" |
| 19:32.50 | greycat | sen5421: are you sure it's the right IP address? |
| 19:32.50 | empty | lampshade, yes in your apache conf |
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| 19:32.57 | sen5421 | greycat, yes |
| 19:33.24 | intension | heya all you clickers |
| 19:33.26 | intension | http://www.dontclick.it/ |
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| 19:34.12 | quittt | greycat, man |
| 19:34.24 | quittt | greycat, do you bitchx or irssi? |
| 19:34.46 | quittt | irssi |
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| 19:36.48 | byomekanoid | #debianb-br |
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| 19:37.35 | queuetue | How do I mkinitrd for a kernel I'm not currently running, but do have installed? |
| 19:38.20 | deadcat | queuetue: man mkinitrd |
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| 19:39.04 | The_Ultimate_Sam | what do you need to read .hlp files |
| 19:39.15 | aero | I am trying to setup wireless networking and I have no idea what to do next. Installed linus-wlan-ng and now I have the iwconfig command available, but no wlan0 was created. |
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| 19:39.31 | greycat | !hlp |
| 19:39.38 | deadcat | The_Ultimate_Sam: cat |
| 19:39.38 | greycat | !listkeys hlp |
| 19:39.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'hlp' by key returned no results. |
| 19:39.42 | neumayr | The_Ultimate_Sam 'strings' |
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| 19:40.01 | The_Ultimate_Sam | cat? |
| 19:40.26 | audian | Ok... how do I log in as root? |
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| 19:40.45 | fluor- | hi there - I'm stuck on a computer which BIOS doesn't support CD booting, with a broken Debian install - can I tell grub to boot from the CDROM? |
| 19:40.46 | Face_Fantastic | su |
| 19:40.53 | Face_Fantastic | audian: su in terminal |
| 19:40.57 | audian | Face_Fantastic, isn't that just for terminal |
| 19:41.02 | Face_Fantastic | yes. |
| 19:41.05 | audian | Face_Fantastic, I need to move this file and overwrite another one |
| 19:41.07 | valdyn | fluor-: google for the "smart boot manager" |
| 19:41.19 | fluor- | valdyn: which means it's not possible from GRUB? |
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| 19:41.45 | valdyn | fluor-: i have no idea, probably not. |
| 19:41.49 | Face_Fantastic | audian: it's usually not smart to "log in" as root |
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| 19:41.59 | audian | Face_Fantastic, How can I move this file then? |
| 19:42.22 | Face_Fantastic | audian: you have to learn the commands |
| 19:42.32 | Face_Fantastic | audian: unfortunately, I'm a noob too. |
| 19:42.35 | neumayr | audian mv |
| 19:42.36 | audian | Face_Fantastic, hehe |
| 19:42.42 | audian | neumayr, thanks |
| 19:42.44 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i still dont know how to run .hlp files in debian |
| 19:42.49 | Face_Fantastic | audian: you'll have to search google or ask one of these fellows. |
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| 19:43.19 | neumayr | hm, i'd like an automagic sudo for those clicky filemanagers.. |
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| 19:44.39 | audian | Ok cool that worked well |
| 19:44.55 | neumayr | sen5421 any progress w/ your ssh problem? |
| 19:46.26 | audian | Ok now I need a place to learn how to stop and restart my x server, whatever that is |
| 19:46.58 | greycat | audian: did you run 'startx'? |
| 19:47.09 | audian | greycat, I have no idea |
| 19:47.12 | neumayr | audian: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 19:47.20 | greycat | audian: you DON'T KNOW what you typed?? |
| 19:47.23 | FieldySnuts | how can you not know, either you did or didn't |
| 19:47.38 | audian | greycat, well I didnt type that |
| 19:47.45 | greycat | audian: ok, ls -l /etc/init.d/*dm |
| 19:48.00 | audian | greycat, ok and whats that gona do? |
| 19:48.10 | greycat | with any luck it will tell us which *DM package you use |
| 19:48.27 | audian | DM? |
| 19:48.32 | greycat | kdm, gdm, wdm, xdm |
| 19:48.37 | greycat | apt-cache show one of those. |
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| 19:48.57 | audian | gdm |
| 19:49.02 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: be a logical thinking barbie |
| 19:49.02 | dpkg | Aww, logical thinking is hard! Let's go shopping, fieldysnuts |
| 19:49.26 | greycat | audian: ok, then you would stop your X server by 1) logging out of your X session(s), and then 2) ctrl-alt-f1, login as root on console, and 3) /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 19:49.46 | chealer | muahaha, that's a mean factoid :) |
| 19:49.49 | audian | greycat, then what? |
| 19:50.04 | greycat | then you have a root prompt and no X servers running. |
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| 19:50.15 | audian | greycat, How can I restart the x server? |
| 19:50.21 | greycat | audian: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 19:50.43 | audian | Now to find a pice of paper... |
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| 19:50.59 | valdyn | hah |
| 19:51.21 | neumayr | audian don't forget you have to be root to stop and start gdm.. |
| 19:51.24 | Face_Fantastic | Fellas, see if you can help me. I don't know how to activate my soundcard driver. I had someone else do it, and it didnt autoload with the computer (I'll need to write a script) It's a folder called exaudio-1.52. Any idea how to activate it so I can get sound? |
| 19:51.35 | Face_Fantastic | I have a usb external soundcard |
| 19:51.41 | audian | neumayr, ok |
| 19:51.54 | audian | Hope this works... just installed these ATI drivers |
| 19:51.55 | audian | finalyy |
| 19:52.00 | valdyn | Face_Fantastic: why do you think you need an extra driver for your usb audio card? |
| 19:52.01 | neumayr | eek |
| 19:52.15 | Face_Fantastic | I don't know, but I have no audio. |
| 19:52.23 | aero | Face_Fantastic, maybe .. insmod module_name... for you sound device |
| 19:52.34 | Face_Fantastic | Device "/dev/dsp" does not exist. |
| 19:52.45 | valdyn | Face_Fantastic: modprobe usb_audio ( iirc ) |
| 19:52.50 | greycat | is that a literal error message? |
| 19:52.51 | aero | Face_Fantastic, modconf and install sound |
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| 19:53.10 | Face_Fantastic | modprobe: Can't locate module usb_audio |
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| 19:53.43 | Lee__ | Does Sarge use ALSA by default? |
| 19:53.55 | Face_Fantastic | the driver that works is in /root/exaudio-1.52 |
| 19:54.01 | aero | Face_Fantastic, try insmod soundcore |
| 19:54.04 | Lee__ | I've only upgraded systems and already have ALSA configured |
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| 19:54.13 | Face_Fantastic | insmod: a module named soundcore already exists |
| 19:54.15 | audian | w00t it worked |
| 19:54.30 | aero | Face_Fantastic, try sound too |
| 19:54.30 | Lee__ | Face_Fantastic: if you're not already using it, install the ALSA drivers. |
| 19:54.42 | Face_Fantastic | Lee__ how do i do that? |
| 19:54.46 | audian | Wow.. awsome.. it worked! |
| 19:54.52 | aero | Lee_: he doesn't have a /dev/dsp |
| 19:55.02 | Lee__ | !tell Face_Fantastic about alsa |
| 19:55.42 | Face_Fantastic | discover1 is already the newest version. |
| 19:55.46 | aero | Face_Fantastic, try lsusb, and see if you have your soundcard |
| 19:55.47 | Face_Fantastic | alsa-utils is already the newest version. |
| 19:56.01 | Lee__ | so now you plug in your USB device and run alsaconf as root. |
| 19:56.04 | Face_Fantastic | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 041e:3000 Creative Technology, Ltd |
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| 19:56.24 | Lee__ | you do have a 2.6 kernel, right? |
| 19:56.30 | Face_Fantastic | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.30 | Face_Fantastic | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.30 | Face_Fantastic | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.36 | aero | Face_Fantastic, run modconf and find the Creative sound drive |
| 19:56.40 | aero | oh your gone |
| 19:56.50 | valdyn | Face_Fantastic: uname -r |
| 19:57.04 | Face_Fantastic | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 041e:3000 Creative Technology, Ltd |
| 19:57.19 | Lee__ | that's a funny kernel version :) |
| 19:57.32 | aero | what kernel? |
| 19:57.34 | Face_Fantastic | how do i find out what kernel version i have? |
| 19:57.35 | valdyn | Face_Fantastic: type "uname -r" |
| 19:57.45 | Face_Fantastic | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:57.48 | Face_Fantastic | looks like i have 2.4 |
| 19:57.48 | Lee__ | boooo |
| 19:58.01 | Face_Fantastic | ok well how do i get 2.6? |
| 19:58.03 | Lee__ | install a 2.6 kernel, reboot and run alsaconf again. |
| 19:58.11 | greycat | Face_Fantastic: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 19:58.12 | Lee__ | uhhh, install it? |
| 19:58.24 | aero | Lee_: don't older kernels run better on older hardware? |
| 19:58.30 | Face_Fantastic | Lee__, work with me buddy, I'm an ultimate noob. |
| 19:58.45 | Lee__ | Face_Fantastic: have you installed software with Debian? |
| 19:58.56 | Face_Fantastic | what do you mean? |
| 19:59.03 | Lee__ | alright... |
| 19:59.07 | aero | greycat: can you recommend a kernel for wireless networking. I am currently using 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 19:59.07 | Lee__ | !tell Face_Fantastic about search |
| 19:59.24 | Face_Fantastic | yeah I knwo that stuff |
| 19:59.33 | Face_Fantastic | im getting the new kernel now. |
| 19:59.45 | Face_Fantastic | k |
| 19:59.50 | Face_Fantastic | apt-get is done with the new kernel |
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| 19:59.57 | neumayr | maybe now someone can help me? since i restarted x gtk apps fail to start and say "Pango-WARNING **: Cannot open font file for font Bitstream Vera Sans 10" |
| 20:00.11 | Face_Fantastic | just reboot and run alsaconf? |
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| 20:00.29 | greycat | aero: I have never owned, nor do I plan to purchase, any wireless networking stuff. |
| 20:00.30 | Lee__ | yeah |
| 20:00.31 | aero | neumayr, but everything work fine beside the error message right? |
| 20:00.38 | Kempston | how do i sync two dirs ? |
| 20:00.44 | FieldySnuts | define sync? |
| 20:00.45 | greycat | Kempston: rsync |
| 20:00.45 | Lee__ | aero: any card with a prism_2 chipset is supported by the hostap driver |
| 20:00.48 | aero | greycat: I like me cable too, but my dad keeps unplugging it |
| 20:00.53 | audian | Ok so now that I got my gfx card working.. how can I play windows games on linux? isnt there some sort of emulator or something |
| 20:00.58 | FieldySnuts | get your own then |
| 20:01.01 | Lee__ | !tell aero about wireless |
| 20:01.01 | neumayr | aero well, kde stuff still works, but gtk things do not. |
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| 20:01.19 | aero | Lee_ that is the one I tired first, then I tried linux-wlan-ng, but it didn't create wlan0 |
| 20:01.31 | Kempston | greycat how do i tell rsync to delete unwanted files ? |
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| 20:01.36 | greycat | Kempston: man rsync |
| 20:01.37 | Lee__ | !tell audian about cedega |
| 20:01.40 | Kempston | i did |
| 20:01.44 | Kempston | can't find it there |
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| 20:01.52 | solemnwarning | http://www.megatokyo.com/index.php?strip_id=215 |
| 20:01.52 | greycat | man rsync *harder* :) |
| 20:01.53 | solemnwarning | do dumpsters really have working hardware? |
| 20:02.01 | Kempston | ehhh |
| 20:02.17 | aero | neumayr, sorry for bothering you, hopefully someone can help you |
| 20:02.27 | audian | ok so can I get cedega with apt-get? |
| 20:02.29 | Lee__ | solemnwarning: yes, my generic desktop machine was found in a dumpster in NYC. |
| 20:02.32 | greycat | audian: no |
| 20:02.36 | mith | Kempston: if you can't find it in there, then you can read |
| 20:02.38 | audian | greycat, oh |
| 20:02.42 | mith | Kempston: seriously |
| 20:02.42 | J_P | people, i am coping from sarge one file via scp to other debian sarge and have this message after somes seconds transfer : Received disconnect from 192.168.0.3: 2: Corrupted MAC on input. |
| 20:02.45 | aero | solemnwarning, what dumpsters, you think people can go through HP dumpsters or something, I would be there |
| 20:03.04 | Kempston | mith can or can't ? |
| 20:03.16 | Lee__ | I recommend the West Village of New York. big money there. |
| 20:03.16 | mith | can't |
| 20:03.17 | J_P | Any idea what this corrupted MAC ? |
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| 20:03.47 | aero | J_P what scp, try ftp |
| 20:04.05 | sess | I have a small problem, I've been doing quite a bit of work with X to get dri working |
| 20:04.11 | snowy` | is it normal that my laptop is hotter under linux? and i dont mean hotter as in sexier, but temperature wise! |
| 20:04.26 | Kempston | mith ok i'm blind can't you just point me ? |
| 20:04.29 | sess | finally got it up and running and now when I try to run the gimp it says jmy version of fontconfig is too old 1.x |
| 20:04.30 | J_P | aero: ftp and http work... only scp not |
| 20:04.31 | audian | Lee__, ok so do I get wine? or cedega.. can I even get cedega? |
| 20:04.35 | aero | snowy, thats hard to believe |
| 20:04.36 | sess | gimp requires at least 2.2.0 |
| 20:04.46 | sess | apt-get install fontconfig claims I have the newest verison |
| 20:04.53 | aero | J_P, what is scp? I guess if I don't know then I can't help you |
| 20:04.54 | Lee__ | snowy`: I think it depends on hardware. My Dell gets hot but the fan goes on more often. |
| 20:05.09 | Lee__ | audian: you haven't visited Cedega's web page yet, have you? |
| 20:05.26 | J_P | aero: is one cp via ssh |
| 20:05.26 | audian | Lee__, They have a site? |
| 20:05.28 | Kempston | ok |
| 20:05.29 | Kempston | found :) |
| 20:05.39 | Lee__ | audian: they are a for profit corporation, they'd better! |
| 20:05.52 | audian | Lee__, O i see |
| 20:06.03 | neumayr | audian you either have to buy it (easy way - http://www.transgaming.com/) or compile it from cvs (not quite as easy - http://winecvs.linux-gamers.net/) |
| 20:06.20 | audian | neumayr, Hmm.. couldnt I just get wine =/ |
| 20:06.26 | Lee__ | later |
| 20:07.03 | snowy` | well, it really does get hotter for some reason...and under windows, when i put my hand next to the hole for the fan on the bottom i can feel cool air, not under linux :S |
| 20:07.05 | chealer | sess: what's your release? |
| 20:07.07 | cahoot | sess: dpkg -l |grep fontconfig |
| 20:07.10 | stew | ha, i'm such a dork. after spending months here telling people to use aptitude instead of apt-get for woody->sarge i just used apt-get by mistake on this server :) |
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| 20:07.21 | neumayr | audian depends. do you plan to run dx9 games? |
| 20:07.27 | J_P | aero: any ideia ? |
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| 20:07.36 | audian | neumayr, Yeah, dx9 =D |
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| 20:08.10 | neumayr | audian in that case i don't think vanilla wine will suffice. |
| 20:08.14 | snowy` | i had a dell before and it used to heat up a lot, but since i got an HP it's much cooler, that's why i realized it was hot under linux since it reminded me of the old dell i had! |
| 20:08.42 | audian | neumayr, Ok.. so how do I get cedega free? |
| 20:09.01 | FieldySnuts | i don't think you can |
| 20:09.08 | FieldySnuts | i could be wrong |
| 20:09.54 | neumayr | snowy` just a guess, but does your kernel lower the cpu frequency when it isn't used as much? i saw an option for that once.. |
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| 20:10.16 | aero | J_P: dunno, but why not try ssh itself then if thats what you need, it works well |
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| 20:11.26 | neumayr | audian: http://winecvs.linux-gamers.net/. i cannot help you much further though, i myself failed getting hl2 to run that way.. |
| 20:11.32 | snowy` | neumayr. ah, now that you mention it, it's true that windows xp lowers the cpu when not being used. but htat's only when it's unplugged! |
| 20:11.38 | sess | Im using Debian Sarge |
| 20:11.42 | audian | neumayr, thanks |
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| 20:11.55 | sess | ii fontconfig 2.3.1-2 generic font configuration library |
| 20:11.55 | sess | ii libfontconfig1 2.3.1-2 generic font configuration library (share |
| 20:12.00 | audian | neumayr, What does CVS mean? |
| 20:12.01 | sess | sorry |
| 20:12.14 | mtgh | ~google cvs |
| 20:12.19 | streuner | !cvs |
| 20:12.19 | dpkg | well, cvs is the Concurrent Versions System -- an RCS extension. ; see(cvs-buildpackage ; cvs-pcl ; cvsweb) or a giant pharmacy corporation or developed at http://www.cyclic.com/, or has a faq at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/fom-serve/cache/1.html, or good documentation can be found at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html |
| 20:12.34 | J_P | aero: neee scp(security cp) |
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| 20:12.41 | covux | is there a cmd which shows all webservices running on a linux server? e.g. if u start ut2k4 dedicated server a webadminstration page is on. |
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| 20:13.08 | neumayr | .o( nmap 8) ) |
| 20:13.19 | mwelsh | anyone know how to install fonts into firefox so i can see the unicode chars? |
| 20:13.54 | sess | nevermind |
| 20:13.56 | sess | I fixed it |
| 20:14.04 | sess | but I don't know if its gonna break something else |
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| 20:14.10 | stew | mwelsh: /msg dpkg font guide |
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| 20:14.42 | mwelsh | danke |
| 20:14.44 | Nebulous | hmm, I have postgresql-8.0 installed now, but createdb and other programs don't seem to like it |
| 20:15.31 | neumayr | awesome, a font guide for the confused. just what i need. thanks |
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| 20:16.39 | [S][F]Era | PosetgreSQL 8.0 has different storage directory |
| 20:16.42 | igraltist | hi |
| 20:16.54 | sess | now here's my real question |
| 20:17.09 | [S][F]Era | /var/lib/postgresql/8.0/main |
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| 20:17.30 | sess | I've been working on getting my wacom working in linux for a few weeks now, and it seems to have come down to requiring kernel 2.6.11 |
| 20:17.47 | Nebulous | what programs would I use to interact with it though? postgresql 7.4 had pg_dump, pg_restore etc |
| 20:17.54 | sess | how would I go about installing the debian generic 2.6.11 kernel in sarge? |
| 20:17.56 | Nebulous | these are all still here, but they complain when I run them. |
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| 20:18.01 | [S][F]Era | I didn't have any problem using PostgreSQL 8.0 except: |
| 20:18.07 | sess | and if possible, can I install the source and recompile? |
| 20:18.20 | [S][F]Era | what are they complaining about? |
| 20:18.21 | igraltist | is this http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=bind&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all list now for woody or for sarge? |
| 20:18.22 | Nebulous | createdb gives me the error: Is the server running locally and accepting connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432"? |
| 20:18.25 | sess | kernel.org ftp'ing of the vanilla kernel sources failed terribly |
| 20:18.29 | [S][F]Era | Well |
| 20:18.38 | [S][F]Era | That means that is't not working |
| 20:18.49 | neumayr | sess how did that fail? |
| 20:18.49 | [S][F]Era | Start it firts |
| 20:18.55 | sess | not the ftp, the build |
| 20:19.00 | [S][F]Era | /etc/init.d/postgres start |
| 20:19.02 | [S][F]Era | OR |
| 20:19.02 | Nebulous | it is started and running |
| 20:19.14 | Nebulous | it shows up in my ps list as well. no errors on startup |
| 20:19.30 | [S][F]Era | pg_ctl -D /var/lib/postgresql/8.0/main -o "-i -p 5432" start |
| 20:19.46 | [S][F]Era | Stop it and try to start it again |
| 20:19.51 | greycat | sess: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:20.00 | igraltist | i read that now 3.1 is stable when i want download the bind packages is it for sarge? |
| 20:20.01 | [S][F]Era | Please check those directories I;ve written |
| 20:20.13 | Nebulous | This can't be good. pg_ctl: command not found. |
| 20:20.22 | [S][F]Era | cd / |
| 20:20.31 | [S][F]Era | find . -name pg_ctl -print |
| 20:20.34 | [S][F]Era | OR |
| 20:20.41 | [S][F]Era | find / -name pg_ctl -print |
| 20:20.43 | greycat | updatedb && locate pg_ctl |
| 20:20.43 | [S][F]Era | :))) |
| 20:20.50 | ircdevil | anyone up for some .bst hacking support in #latex? |
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| 20:21.15 | sess | greycat: I've build debian kernel 2.6.8 successfully using that method, its just that 2.6.11 doesn' t appear when I apt-cache search |
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| 20:21.36 | greycat | sess: so? that's because you run stable. |
| 20:21.36 | [S][F]Era | Well, at the moment I'm working with 7.4 so that's what I remember from 2 weeks ago :))) |
| 20:21.38 | sess | I don't know if it requires a sources.list update and distupgrade to unstable |
| 20:21.50 | greycat | sess: you can use kernel-package on upstream sources. |
| 20:21.53 | bonez39 | foomatic question...shows 3 printers..but only two should be showing...the incorrect one is greyed out...can't remove it...why? how do I get it to respond so I can clear it |
| 20:21.58 | greycat | sess: there's no need to apt-get the debianized ones |
| 20:21.59 | neumayr | sess: strange. i've rarely seen a vanilla kernel compile fail.. |
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| 20:22.23 | jake1932 | any pointers to getting cvs installed on debian? |
| 20:22.25 | [S][F]Era | pg_ctl should be in /usr/lib/posgtresql |
| 20:22.29 | greycat | jake1932: apt-get install cvs |
| 20:22.31 | [S][F]Era | go there and search |
| 20:22.35 | sess | greycat, so you say I can ftp from ftp.kernel.org and then use kernel-package to compile that kernel? |
| 20:22.38 | Nebulous | it's in /usr/lib/postgresql/8.0/bin/ actually |
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| 20:22.50 | [S][F]Era | Good |
| 20:22.53 | Nebulous | it looks like it is running stuff from /usr/lib/postgresql/7.4/bin by default |
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| 20:22.58 | Nebulous | okay, i can work with this. |
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| 20:23.01 | jake1932 | greycat - E: Couldn't find package cvs |
| 20:23.01 | greycat | sess: yes, for the third time. |
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| 20:23.05 | [S][F]Era | Good! |
| 20:23.06 | greycat | jake1932: apt-setup |
| 20:23.12 | jake1932 | ok tnx |
| 20:23.13 | rue_mohr | ok, I (once again) cant remember the command for adding and removing things from the runlevels, who can work out a way to help me remember it? |
| 20:23.15 | yacoob | Greetings, earthlings. |
| 20:23.24 | sphinxie | hi all doeas anyone know where to find md5sums for 3.0r6 i386 isos |
| 20:23.29 | yacoob | Any good source of oo1.9 debs? |
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| 20:23.34 | greycat | yacoob: ask #debian-oo |
| 20:23.40 | yacoob | good idea. |
| 20:23.42 | sess | greycat: sorry, i've been working on this for a while, so don't be too annoyed with me |
| 20:23.49 | stew | rue_mohr: ln -s /usr/sbin/update-rc.d /usr/local/sbin/somthingyouwillremember |
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| 20:23.59 | valdyn | yacoob: it is in experimental |
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| 20:24.27 | jake1932 | greycat - that did it - thank you! |
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| 20:24.32 | rue_mohr | stew, I'v never needed it on the same machine twice |
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| 20:24.53 | sun_ | hi flightgear doesnt recognize my joystick although dmesg shows it, do i need to reboot |
| 20:25.08 | stew | rue_mohr: use rcconf that should be easy enough to remember |
| 20:25.24 | davem | sun: Do you have permission to use it? |
| 20:25.39 | sun_ | davem dont know how do i check that? |
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| 20:26.15 | Nebulous | hmm, or not. I still get the same error message when specifying the path to the 8.0 bins |
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| 20:27.59 | bonez39 | foomatic help? anyone? |
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| 20:28.09 | lilalinux | are there xorg packages available somewhere? |
| 20:28.17 | greycat | lilalinux: /topic |
| 20:28.22 | rue_mohr | stew, maybe I had the wrong idea, I need to disable a service from startup.... update-rc.d is what I was looking for, but not the right thing |
| 20:28.29 | [S][F]Era | Tried -D /var/lib/postgresql/8.0/main |
| 20:28.31 | Nebulous | probably because psql 8.0 is making a lock file called .s.PGSQL.5433 and the applications are looking for one called .5432 |
| 20:28.45 | rue_mohr | rcconf isn't installed, I dont have the ability to install it (disk space) |
| 20:28.56 | [S][F]Era | Stop the DB! |
| 20:28.59 | [S][F]Era | kill -9 |
| 20:29.20 | greycat | rue_mohr: just rm the symlinks from /etc/rc2.d |
| 20:29.33 | greycat | rue_mohr: or better yet, if disk space is *that* low, delete the package. |
| 20:29.36 | Nebulous | i put it out of it's misery |
| 20:29.49 | rue_mohr | greycat, the package will be needed later |
| 20:29.51 | greycat | never use kill -9 on a database |
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| 20:29.56 | [S][F]Era | /usr/lib/postgresql/8.0/bin/pg_ctl -D /var/lib/postgresql/8.0/main -o "-i -p 5432" start |
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| 20:29.58 | Nebulous | i know, i didn't use that :P |
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| 20:30.09 | FieldySnuts | don't use -9 unless you really have to, just cruel |
| 20:30.22 | [S][F]Era | oK -15 |
| 20:30.41 | FieldySnuts | that's the default, but it doesn't hurt to specify |
| 20:31.01 | [S][F]Era | Look, all DBs should be "transfered" to the new storage directory |
| 20:31.07 | rue_mohr | ok, thanks.. |
| 20:31.18 | [S][F]Era | So, you can kill the DB as you wish :))) |
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| 20:31.32 | FieldySnuts | !lart [S][F]Era |
| 20:31.33 | Nebulous | well, considering there is nothing in it yet, it doesn't matter too much |
| 20:31.38 | FieldySnuts | these are the kinda admins not to hire. |
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| 20:31.51 | sess | is there an easy way to install xorg 6.8 in debian sarge |
| 20:31.52 | sess | ? |
| 20:31.53 | FieldySnuts | it could still screw up its state and cause problems in the future... c'mon, common sense |
| 20:31.55 | FieldySnuts | no |
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| 20:32.04 | [S][F]Era | Aahhhhh, kill the DB, kill the DB, kill the DB, ... |
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| 20:32.24 | Ephemeral | Hi, does Debian support the Uli Southbridge SATA Controller on the ATI Xpress 200 Chipset? |
| 20:32.51 | TwistedEmotions | What's that game with the penguins? |
| 20:33.04 | adjacent | i shut my production boxes down by flipping the breaker to the server room. that way i know they all shut down at the same time and no damage can happen. |
| 20:33.05 | greycat | pingu? |
| 20:33.07 | Nebulous | Era: it's complaining about the config file not being in /var/..., the conf file is in /etc/postgresql/8.0/main |
| 20:33.12 | me_here | where is mysqlcc gone ?? |
| 20:33.12 | TwistedEmotions | there we go.. |
| 20:33.26 | [S][F]Era | Well it should be there |
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| 20:34.10 | [S][F]Era | /var/lib/postgresql/8.0/main |
| 20:34.14 | [S][F]Era | should contain |
| 20:34.22 | [S][F]Era | symbolyc links to /etc/... |
| 20:34.30 | TwistedEmotions | Can the bbridgers in pingus build downwards? |
| 20:34.48 | Nebulous | it has 2 symbolic links, server.crt and server.key |
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| 20:35.13 | [S][F]Era | Other dirs? |
| 20:35.29 | Nebulous | they link to /etc/postgresql-common/postgresql.crt and .pem |
| 20:36.21 | [S][F]Era | Well, as I told you, I don't have PostgreSQL 8.0 here. Maybe it's worth trying localhost/dwww |
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| 20:36.44 | [S][F]Era | If you have dwww installed? |
| 20:36.56 | Nebulous | no |
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| 20:37.09 | Face_Fantastic | well guys, i have a big problem |
| 20:37.12 | [S][F]Era | Well, install it. dwww and postgres docs |
| 20:37.16 | Face_Fantastic | i installed the 4.6 kernel |
| 20:37.28 | Face_Fantastic | or what is it? |
| 20:37.48 | adjacent | did you install debian 6.0 too? =) |
| 20:37.56 | adjacent | i think you mean 2.6 |
| 20:37.59 | Face_Fantastic | something 2.6 rather |
| 20:38.01 | [S][F]Era | Or, apt-cache search postgres |
| 20:38.01 | Face_Fantastic | heh |
| 20:38.02 | Face_Fantastic | sorry |
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| 20:38.05 | Face_Fantastic | and |
| 20:38.08 | yacoob | Whoa, time traveller. Tell me the results of next games :) |
| 20:38.14 | Face_Fantastic | i apparantly have the nvidia drivers for 2.4 |
| 20:38.14 | [S][F]Era | dpkg -P packages |
| 20:38.20 | [S][F]Era | and install 8.0 again |
| 20:38.23 | [S][F]Era | :) |
| 20:38.25 | Face_Fantastic | so when loading gdm x wigs out |
| 20:38.33 | Face_Fantastic | what do I do? |
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| 20:38.47 | Nebulous | yes, that's what i'm doing now |
| 20:39.00 | _daniel_ | Hi, If I have a custom kernel. and a program asks me where are my kernel headers, where should I point ? |
| 20:39.21 | dbernar1 | !flash |
| 20:39.21 | dpkg | somebody said flash was If you want the flashplayer browser plugin, go to http://www.flash.com and follow the instructions there. Or look at the flashplugin-nonfree package, or most flash crap you see is from banner ads, and very little of it actual real and potentially interesting content. get yourself some object blocking/filtering extensions in your favourite browser, or missing fonts? install gsfonts-x11 |
| 20:39.26 | dbernar1 | should I listen to that? |
| 20:39.33 | adjacent | Face_Fantastic: its been a while since i messed with those damn nvidia drivers. but, i would remove the existing and reinstall from nvidias site. |
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| 20:39.50 | Face_Fantastic | how do I do that in the terminal? and wont that mess it up for 2.4? |
| 20:39.56 | adjacent | ugly, but probably the simplest fix |
| 20:40.00 | Nebulous | it is still complaining about that socket :| |
| 20:40.10 | hikenboot_ | hello all---I have a SUN 4472 monitor for a sun sparc station...trying to get xwindows working on it...but it doesnt appear to be the sunfb driver anyone know what driver it would be? |
| 20:40.33 | yacoob | Nebulous: it can fight back, beware. |
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| 20:40.47 | Face_Fantastic | adjacent, was that to me? |
| 20:40.54 | Nebulous | I know sql-fu it doesn't have a chance |
| 20:40.54 | adjacent | yes |
| 20:40.55 | Face_Fantastic | oh |
| 20:41.03 | Face_Fantastic | how do I do that? |
| 20:41.04 | adjacent | good luck.... peace |
| 20:41.07 | Face_Fantastic | in the terminal |
| 20:41.23 | dbernar1 | in fact, flash works on install? |
| 20:41.32 | Xenguy | hi - does ext2 filesystem have a file size limit? |
| 20:41.42 | Ephemeral | Hi, does Debian support the Uli Southbridge SATA Controller on the ATI Xpress 200 Chipset? |
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| 20:41.55 | Virtual | is there an dc++ client for linux ? |
| 20:42.01 | Maulkin | Virtual: Yup |
| 20:42.12 | Nebulous | maybe i need a swift reboot of the pc. |
| 20:42.16 | mith | when's the patches for http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/14054 supposed to be rolled out? |
| 20:42.20 | Virtual | Maulkin do you know how it's called and if it is in the apt repository? |
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| 20:42.32 | Maulkin | Virtual: GUI or CLI? |
| 20:42.41 | Virtual | GUI |
| 20:42.51 | Virtual | preferably |
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| 20:42.59 | zulkifar | Hi. We have a LAN with Linux server which is connected to another LAN which is connected to the internet. We were given login/pass to access the internet via VPN. Windows users use this guide http://lanpolis.ru/ab_vpnXP.php while I don't know what HOWTO (or what part of VPN-Howto) to read :) |
| 20:43.04 | js | Virtual: valknut |
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| 20:43.25 | hris | hi, could some tell me any package source for glibc |
| 20:43.31 | Maulkin | Virtual: dcgui or valknut |
| 20:43.55 | Maulkin | Virtual: Try 'apt-cache search "Direct Connect"' |
| 20:44.10 | Virtual | ok |
| 20:44.18 | Virtual | i`m inspecting valknut right now : |
| 20:44.19 | Virtual | :) |
| 20:44.59 | zulkifar | Would anyone take a look to provided URL and predict what protocol is probably used? I need to configure a tunnel to VPN server |
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| 20:45.10 | Face_Fantastic | When I try booting with kernel 2.6 it gives me FATAL: Module nvidia not found |
| 20:45.18 | Face_Fantastic | what do i do? |
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| 20:45.42 | valdyn | !tell Face_Fantastic about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:45.51 | Ephemeral | Anyone using an ATI Radeon Xpress 200 mobo? |
| 20:46.28 | ixiy | hello. can anyone please tell me how to configure(where do I have to configure) hotplug to pass a module kernel parameter at boot? |
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| 20:47.13 | valdyn | hris: its called libc6 in debian |
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| 20:47.31 | hris | valdyn: thanks |
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| 20:48.15 | hris | valdyn: but on locate it' failed to show me the basic c header files like stdio.h |
| 20:48.20 | valdyn | ixiy: /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 20:48.23 | nunez | Is it possible to install grsecurity with apt-get and have not have to compile a kernel by source? |
| 20:48.43 | valdyn | hris: headers are in -dev packages, so that would make.. libc6-dev |
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| 20:49.19 | sihkzz | zulkifar: You could try asking the administrators of the VPN what protocols to use? |
| 20:49.21 | ixiy | valdyn: what file? |
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| 20:49.34 | valdyn | ixiy: make one |
| 20:49.35 | mousex | how do I find out the aspect ration of a video (avi) file? Is there a program for that? |
| 20:50.03 | valdyn | ixiy: take whatever you have there as example if you want and make one |
| 20:50.06 | tcsetattr | mplayer -identify |
| 20:50.14 | mousex | thanks, tcsetattr |
| 20:50.18 | Face_Fantastic | how do you kill a print job in nix? |
| 20:50.38 | tennin | hi |
| 20:51.27 | ixiy | valdyn: what? if I make let's say /etc/modprobe.d/options and I write for example "options modulename option" hotplug will recognize it anf aply the option to the module when it is loaded? |
| 20:51.41 | zulkifar | sihkzz: you surprises me :) Don't you know most of them are M$ possessed? :) |
| 20:51.52 | zulkifar | sihkzz: that guide is what they provided |
| 20:51.59 | valdyn | ixiy: yes, but hotplug is not responsible for that. hotplug runs modprobe, which is responsible for that. |
| 20:52.12 | Face_Fantastic | my printer is firing off pages, the text is WAY to big |
| 20:52.14 | sihkzz | zulkifar: what kernel version do you run? |
| 20:52.15 | Face_Fantastic | how do i kill it fast? |
| 20:52.27 | Face_Fantastic | arg |
| 20:52.28 | teun | turn off the printer :) |
| 20:52.38 | Face_Fantastic | if i turn it back on wont it start back>? |
| 20:52.46 | mousex | tcsetattr, mplayer says the aspect ratio of my file is unspecified. But it shows a resolution: 352x224; does that seem like widescreen, or 4:3? |
| 20:52.48 | js | turn the printer off, find out how to delete jobs |
| 20:52.57 | ixiy | valdyn: so modprobe reads all the files in the /etc/modprobe.d and apply whatever options the file contain? |
| 20:52.58 | zulkifar | sihkzz: 2.6.x |
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| 20:53.10 | valdyn | ixiy: yes |
| 20:53.22 | ixiy | valdyn: alright. thanks |
| 20:53.23 | zulkifar | sihkzz: it is pptp, but I didn't find appropriate guide |
| 20:53.32 | bourneagain | I am getting a kernel panic with 2.6-8-2-686-smp but not with 2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 20:53.37 | tennin | whether out of masochism or crippling social disorder or whatever, i'm attempting to install debian over dialup ppp (on a formerly windows-98-only computer) |
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| 20:54.04 | bourneagain | How do I find out what is causing a kernel panic? |
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| 20:54.18 | valdyn | bourneagain: you could try to google for the panic. that panic prints a stack trace i guess.. |
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| 20:54.43 | fugitboy | You should try talking to the panic |
| 20:54.46 | tennin | i got the netinst ISO and the vmlinuz, initrd.gz files recommended for HD install, set up an ext2 partition and tried to boot using lilo |
| 20:54.49 | fugitboy | panic loves to be loved. |
| 20:54.49 | pmak | there is any text editor for X light as vim? xedit is too simple. |
| 20:54.53 | hris | is there any nice irc channel for c |
| 20:54.54 | Zarox | can anyone help me, on logon I get some errors and I think it comes from my profile file |
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| 20:55.07 | tennin | but it's giving me "kernel panic.... please append correct "root ="" message |
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| 20:55.23 | pjz | anyone know how to make tomcat4 work under debian? the tomcat folk say that the deb package is 'broken' |
| 20:55.23 | valdyn | bourneagain: if you can reproduce it i'd try a different kernel first, way easier than debugging this. |
| 20:55.26 | mousex | pmak: you can run nano on a terminal |
| 20:55.26 | fugitboy | So you should say "Hey panic. What do you need?" |
| 20:55.36 | fugitboy | "Can I help you with somthing" |
| 20:55.37 | Zarox | etc/profile: line 23: syntax error: unexpected end of file :/ |
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| 20:55.43 | teun | pmak: gvim if you're using gnome? |
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| 20:56.00 | bourneagain | valdyn: The different kernel works but I have other problems going on. Like power management, graphics drivers, etc. |
| 20:56.01 | sihkzz | zulkifar: Even if this is slightly irrelevant to you, the documentation should prove useful http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:56.15 | valdyn | bourneagain: i meant, a newer 2.6.x kernel. |
| 20:56.24 | tennin | i tried root=/dev/hda3 (the ext2 partition where the kernel is), etc. but it doesn't change |
| 20:56.27 | pmak | teun fluxbox |
| 20:56.43 | valdyn | bourneagain: to see if that issue was known and already fixed. |
| 20:56.44 | pmak | nothign more fast to open| |
| 20:57.06 | teun | a terminal + vim is all i ever use :) |
| 20:57.15 | pmak | mousex i wnat to use the mouse, something like gedit? but that is fast ro run? |
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| 20:57.24 | bourneagain | valdyn: I used the lastest 2.6.x kernel and it fails. |
| 20:57.25 | markw_ | argggghhh. netinstall is for woody still. :( |
| 20:57.46 | bourneagain | valdyn: Or rather the latest stable. |
| 20:57.52 | valdyn | bourneagain: you used 2.6.8 from sarge you said? that's not the latest. True though that it is the latest in sarge. |
| 20:57.55 | _daniel_ | hey If I created a custom kernel 2.6.10, and then I changed the config file to create other kernel, but I want to make the kernel headers that match that kernel what should I do ? |
| 20:58.06 | ircdevil | does debian have a fancy way of install latex .sty files from ctan automagically? |
| 20:58.08 | mousex | pmak: cooledit or leafpad. gedit and kedit are fast in my opinion |
| 20:58.19 | tennin | what am i missing? |
| 20:58.25 | valdyn | bourneagain: grab any other from testin / sid via http://packages.debian.org/ , dpkg -i it and try. |
| 20:58.37 | mousex | pmak: type this: apt-cache search light editor |
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| 20:58.51 | bourneagain | valdyn: I see what the problem is. Lack of SATA support in the latter kernel. |
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| 20:59.43 | valdyn | bourneagain: but 2.4 supports it? that would be strange. What is more likely is that you are suffereing from the fact that sata device naming changed from 2.4 to 2.6 ? |
| 21:00.08 | bourneagain | valdyn: It did? Oh :) |
| 21:00.26 | valdyn | bourneagain: which device name was / is your disk on 2.4 ? hda ? |
| 21:00.32 | sihkzz | valdyn: I suffered from that :( Took me quite awhile to work it out. |
| 21:01.03 | bourneagain | valdyn: Rebooting that kernel to find out, just a sec. |
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| 21:01.31 | bgat | anyone using xtightvncviewer to connect to the vnc server on OS X? |
| 21:01.53 | bgat | I'm running it on my Debian x86 PC, and when I connect to the OS X box all I get is a black screen. |
| 21:01.54 | bgat | any ideas? |
| 21:02.05 | zulkifar | sihkzz: thanks |
| 21:02.26 | AssO | hi, i am trying to build a 2.6.8-x kernel on my ultrasparc1, which is running debian sarge, i am getting the following errors for all 1<x<20 http://rafb.net/paste/results/SZbKhG28.html i am using gcc-3.3 does anyone have a suggestion or could point me into the right direction please? |
| 21:02.38 | valdyn | bourneagain: do you have a livecd or debian install cd enabling you to edit files on your disk? |
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| 21:03.12 | Nebulous | i restarted and purged (again) postgresql-7.4. I know I told it to remove that earlier, but it was sticking around for some reason. Seems to be working more correctly now |
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| 21:03.50 | bourneagain | valdyn: I can get the system back up on the old kernel since I left it on. Would that be sufficient? Answer to your question: NO |
| 21:04.04 | tarzeau | mahahaha my eyes, tears of laughing too much |
| 21:04.07 | bourneagain | valdyn: Yes, sorry |
| 21:04.12 | bourneagain | I do |
| 21:04.24 | tarzeau | whenever i don't talk here, i'm probably playing bub-n-bros (or having a date) |
| 21:04.32 | simonrvn | or RL |
| 21:04.41 | bgat | anyone here using VNC to connect to an OS X box? |
| 21:04.44 | simonrvn | (date is RL =) |
| 21:04.55 | teun | bgat: yes |
| 21:04.56 | tarzeau | bgat: yeah, way too slow though |
| 21:05.05 | valdyn | bourneagain: ok alright, whats your device name for that disk? |
| 21:05.06 | tarzeau | bgat: i did move the imac to my workplace now, that's much less a hassle |
| 21:05.07 | bgat | teun tarzeau what client are you using? |
| 21:05.14 | teun | i believe it was tight |
| 21:05.18 | tarzeau | bgat: vncclient heh |
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| 21:05.22 | teun | but i can't check since my workstation @ work is turned off |
| 21:05.23 | tarzeau | yeah tightvnc or so |
| 21:05.29 | Nebulous | um, what is the default username that debian creates for postgresql? |
| 21:05.37 | tarzeau | Nebulous: check /etc/passwd ?= |
| 21:05.42 | simonrvn | the admin? |
| 21:05.44 | bgat | teun tarzeau any idea why I might be getting a black screen instead of the expected display? |
| 21:05.46 | simonrvn | postgres |
| 21:05.47 | teun | bgat: you might wanna try twiddling with the color depth |
| 21:05.53 | tarzeau | bgat: somethign is wrong |
| 21:05.57 | bgat | teun: where at? I'm an OS X noooooooob |
| 21:06.03 | teun | in your client |
| 21:06.05 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 21:06.05 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 21:06.10 | Nebulous | hmm, I guess it changed my password for postgres then |
| 21:07.11 | simonrvn | Nebulous: only if you did. postgres user doesn't have one; the db user does |
| 21:07.11 | teun | quick test: xvncviewer to a mac mini running OSX 10.3 works fine |
| 21:07.19 | sussudio | badger! |
| 21:07.26 | sussudio | !badgercam |
| 21:07.26 | dpkg | http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/webcams/badger_wildlink_cam.shtml |
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| 21:07.52 | bgat | dpkg: noob |
| 21:07.52 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 21:07.56 | bgat | :^) |
| 21:08.14 | tarzeau | sussudio: is there a badger t-shirt shop at cafepres.com already? |
| 21:08.45 | Nebulous | alright, what is the default postgresql password then? since it doesn't seem to have imported it from my 7.4 installation |
| 21:08.57 | me_here | 123 |
| 21:09.35 | bgat | teun: xvncviewer 192.168.2.102 |
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| 21:09.44 | bgat | unknown message type 255 |
| 21:10.17 | teun | hmm that was all i did too |
| 21:10.25 | teun | don't know how the vnc server is configured on that mac tho |
| 21:10.37 | teun | lemme check if i can figure that out :) |
| 21:10.48 | bgat | teun: holdonasec, I'll see if I can get that here, too... |
| 21:10.54 | teun | oh brilliant, it died :) |
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| 21:14.11 | tim_h_ | Is there a pam module or something which let me run a scrip on the first login a user do? With pam_mkhomedir.so I create the homedir (from skel) on the first login but I want to run a search/replace script over the new home. |
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| 21:17.25 | queuetue | I know apt-cache allows me to search the package library, but is there a way to have it report the versions as well as the package name and short description? |
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| 21:17.40 | Virtual | how can I access a share on my laptop (Windows XP) from my desktop (Debian |
| 21:17.44 | Virtual | ? |
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| 21:17.59 | bourneagain | valdyn: sorry, still looking into displaying the mounted devices |
| 21:18.06 | valdyn | bourneagain: df |
| 21:18.14 | valdyn | bourneagain: or mount |
| 21:18.15 | bgat | teun: I'm re-installing the remote desktop client. seems like when I clicked on "remote desktop", it complained that it wasn't installed correctly... |
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| 21:18.33 | bgat | teun: gotta go, I'll be back at this later... |
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| 21:18.49 | teun | i won't :) since i'll be on holiday :D |
| 21:18.57 | caphuso | queuetue: apt-cache --full search foo | egrep '^(Pa|V|D)' |
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| 21:19.24 | caphuso | the regex will need some more finetuning |
| 21:19.29 | cafe_roy | queuetue: apt-show-versions -u |
| 21:20.08 | bourneagain | valdyn: /dev/dhc2 |
| 21:20.22 | bourneagain | sorry |
| 21:20.22 | valdyn | bourneagain: hdc2? |
| 21:20.34 | bourneagain | valdyn: /dev/hdc2 |
| 21:21.02 | valdyn | bourneagain: ok alright, this is a sata disk? |
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| 21:21.12 | akbg | E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 21:21.17 | akbg | what I can do for this? |
| 21:21.22 | bourneagain | valdyn: As far as I can tell :) |
| 21:21.33 | bourneagain | valdyn: It is. |
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| 21:21.43 | pjz | /dev/hdc2 is not likely to be SATA |
| 21:21.47 | itom | I can find the log where I can view evry login (via ssh or local), any suggestion? |
| 21:21.49 | pjz | more likely EIDE |
| 21:21.56 | valdyn | bourneagain: it will ( likely, depending on which controller you actually have ) be named like a scsi device. I guess sdc2. |
| 21:22.00 | bourneagain | pjz: It for sure is. |
| 21:22.11 | bourneagain | pjz: Just opened the box |
| 21:22.17 | valdyn | bourneagain: so what you will have to do is to edit your /etc/fstab to reflect that change. |
| 21:22.20 | pjz | bourneagain: well, it's not being picked up as one, then. |
| 21:22.33 | Virtual | how can I access a share on my laptop (Windows XP) from my desktop (Debian Sarge{? |
| 21:22.49 | pjz | Virtual: look into smbmount |
| 21:22.58 | pjz | Virtual: or cifs |
| 21:23.06 | pjz | Virtual: linux.google.com is your friend :) |
| 21:23.07 | me_here | akbg: you have to remove some packages |
| 21:23.18 | bourneagain | pjz: It books just fine. How could it be wrong? :( |
| 21:23.22 | valdyn | bourneagain: to be safer as to what it actually is named on 2.6 you could use a livecd that uses a 2.6 kernel, or debians install CD with 'linux26' at the bootprompt. |
| 21:23.50 | pjz | bourneagain: type 'dmesg' and see what it says it found that disk as |
| 21:23.57 | bourneagain | pjz: Ok |
| 21:24.07 | pjz | bourneagain: I'd bet ya small cash that it's being detected as an IDE drive of some sort |
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| 21:24.16 | pjz | actually, hdc is usually the CDROM |
| 21:24.23 | pjz | but whatever |
| 21:24.26 | itom | is /var/log/syslog where I can view local and remote access? |
| 21:24.32 | valdyn | pjz: his root partition is hdc2 |
| 21:24.37 | pjz | valdyn: ah |
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| 21:25.07 | valdyn | pjz: and its a sata drive. |
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| 21:25.45 | valdyn | bourneagain: just make sure you have a working alternate way to boot like a livecd and this should be easy to solve from here. |
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| 21:25.52 | IdontlikeGentoo | <- |
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| 21:26.10 | queuetue | Could someone explain how to install just a few packages (postgres 8) from unstable or testing while straying as little from sarge as possible? |
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| 21:26.17 | ugly | "look at me, I'm an attention-whoring troll" |
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| 21:26.55 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 21:26.55 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
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| 21:27.04 | bourneagain | valdyn: What do I need to modify? |
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| 21:27.22 | bourneagain | valdyn: And how do I find out what the new kernel was looking for? |
| 21:27.24 | akbg | me_here: why? |
| 21:27.46 | darxeth | does anyone there can help me using the smbclient protocol to connect to the windows system on the other machine please? |
| 21:27.59 | bourneagain | valdyn: Thanks for all your help in here btw. You people are great! :) |
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| 21:28.05 | valdyn | bourneagain: you need to modify /etc/fstab. |
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| 21:28.23 | Coffee | Is there any site with *.ko modules to download? |
| 21:28.30 | valdyn | bourneagain: you also *might* need to add the new driver from 2.6 for your sata device to /etc/modules. |
| 21:28.36 | queuetue | Time to upgrade to Ubuntu, I guess. :) |
| 21:28.37 | tarzeau | Coffee: no |
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| 21:28.44 | valdyn | bourneagain: can you check quickly if your current sata driver is there? |
| 21:28.44 | tarzeau | queuetue: that way #ubuntu |
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| 21:29.07 | bourneagain | valdyn: Looking |
| 21:29.12 | Coffee | tarzeau: why are you so sure? |
| 21:29.14 | cafe_roy | queuetue: add source to /etc/apt.sources.list , then remove source after |
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| 21:29.33 | me_here | akbg: as you pointed earlier, there is a dependency cycle, i.e. you must have forced some packages to install, find the packages with that dependency cycle and get rid of the one or those wich depend on each other |
| 21:29.53 | tarzeau | Coffee: i've surfed so many internet pages, i've never seen one |
| 21:30.01 | akbg | me_here: the packages are coreutils and debianutils |
| 21:30.12 | akbg | I dont want to remove this packages :P |
| 21:30.36 | Coffee | tarzeau: me too :( |
| 21:30.47 | simonrvn | fuck st jean-baptiste |
| 21:30.49 | me_here | akbg: it's your system :) |
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| 21:31.08 | bourneagain | valdyn: Dunno exactly what do look for. I admit. I have spent the last week reading hundreds of pages everyday. I may need to take some time off to be in learning mode again. |
| 21:31.18 | MasterChief | I'm trying to install MySQL using apt get. My problem is I dont know what one to get. There is mysql-common, mysql-common-4.1, mysql-client, mysql-client-4.1, mysql-server,mysql-server-4.1 - What one should I get? |
| 21:31.21 | bourneagain | valdyn: But I do appreciate the help. |
| 21:31.30 | valdyn | bourneagain: just paste whole /etc/modules in #flood |
| 21:32.12 | bourneagain | valdyn: I admit, I am using an XP computer for IRC. |
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| 21:32.22 | darxeth | man smbmount |
| 21:32.23 | me_here | MasterChief: mysql-common msql-client and mysql-server |
| 21:32.28 | Coffee | I need few snd-*.ko modules . Does anybody know here where i can get them ? |
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| 21:32.43 | valdyn | bourneagain: oh, cant cut & paste_ |
| 21:32.45 | valdyn | bourneagain: oh, cant cut & paste? |
| 21:32.46 | MasterChief | Thank you me_here |
| 21:32.54 | tarzeau | Coffee: did you apt-cache search alsa yet ? |
| 21:32.56 | bourneagain | valdyn: Installing an IRC client now on that computer. |
| 21:33.13 | shingouz | Coffee: you cannot get them separately. uname -r and paste the output here please |
| 21:33.52 | Coffee | tarzeau: i'm noob :S |
| 21:33.54 | bourneagain | valdyn: It is a short list. I will post it in flood. |
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| 21:34.02 | shingouz | Coffee: we can tell somehow |
| 21:34.03 | valdyn | bourneagain: alright |
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| 21:34.19 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 21:34.19 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 21:34.21 | tarzeau | Coffee: i'm horny |
| 21:34.25 | chealer | MasterChief: there are dependencies between those. it depends what version you want |
| 21:34.42 | shingouz | tarzeau: i am not sure if we really needed to know that... ;) |
| 21:34.47 | MasterChief | So, what ones should I get, should I just get all the 4.1 versions> |
| 21:34.49 | MasterChief | ? |
| 21:35.18 | me_here | MasterChief: you can, but it's prolly better to get the older ones first then upgrade |
| 21:35.24 | Coffee | shingouz: snd-hwdep.ko snd-page-alloc.ko snd-rawmidi.ko snd-rtctimer.ko snd-timer.ko |
| 21:35.51 | shingouz | Coffee: uname -r |
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| 21:36.13 | valdyn | bourneagain: you're good to go then i think.. 'fdisk -l' will list all found partitions ( to be used from your livecd / debian install disk ) |
| 21:36.19 | audian | Uhm.. quick question.. im installing firefox and I was wondering where I should install it to? |
| 21:36.25 | Coffee | shingouz: 2.6.11 |
| 21:36.27 | MasterChief | How do I upgrade them? Just download the 4.1 as well? |
| 21:36.35 | tarzeau | audian: use the debian package? |
| 21:36.44 | tarzeau | audian: anywhere but /opt |
| 21:36.45 | Coffee | shingouz: /lib/modules/2.6.11/kernel/sound/acore/ |
| 21:36.53 | me_here | MasterChief: nope apt-get upgrade mysql-common mysql-client mysql-server |
| 21:36.59 | shingouz | Coffee: debian kernel? |
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| 21:37.11 | tarzeau | audian: in the earlier days of teh internet, they installed some binaries into /etc |
| 21:37.14 | me_here | MasterChief: or aptitude upgrade or dselect upgrade |
| 21:37.16 | audian | tarzeau, so I can do like.. home/programs |
| 21:37.16 | Coffee | shingouz: yeah |
| 21:37.20 | bourneagain | valdyn: I admit I don't understand what do next. |
| 21:37.34 | tarzeau | audian: that's not where *i* would ever put software |
| 21:37.40 | kevin_ | I love this Debina Sarge, I am finally getting used to it somewhat |
| 21:37.41 | bourneagain | valdyn: Maybe I should take a break. My brain is mush. |
| 21:37.45 | tarzeau | !debina |
| 21:37.45 | dpkg | debina is probably debian when you're typing too fast, or see "debain" |
| 21:37.50 | audian | tarzeau, Where would you put it? |
| 21:37.58 | tarzeau | audian: /usr/local/bin |
| 21:38.02 | shingouz | Coffee: what the hell should those modules do in the first place |
| 21:38.07 | audian | tarzeau, Ok then, thanks lots |
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| 21:38.14 | tarzeau | audian: audian you're very welcome |
| 21:38.16 | paulswm | audian: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 21:38.20 | Coffee | shingouz: that's for my sndcrd |
| 21:38.22 | valdyn | bourneagain: use livecd, find your root partition, mount that partition, edit etc/fstab on just that partition to reflect device name change from hdc to probably sdc, boot your 2.6 kernel. |
| 21:38.26 | me_here | dpkg: debina is arabic and debain french i suppose lol :) |
| 21:38.26 | dpkg | ...but debina is already something else... |
| 21:38.41 | tarzeau | me_here: is also or also is (i never know) |
| 21:38.42 | Coffee | shingouz: k never mind thanx |
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| 21:38.49 | tarzeau | !k |
| 21:38.49 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
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| 21:38.51 | shingouz | Coffee: i know that. what sound card do you have then |
| 21:39.14 | Coffee | shingouz: Yamaha ymf719es ISA |
| 21:39.19 | MobyTurbo | !permasunday |
| 21:39.19 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 21:39.19 | tarzeau | limagick: from which kanton are you? |
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| 21:39.47 | tam | how do you list the contents of a tar.gz? i've tried tar -t but that doesn't work |
| 21:39.50 | shingouz | Coffee: you *sure* that card is supported by alsa? sounds like an old card to me |
| 21:39.56 | tarzeau | tam: add -f |
| 21:40.06 | tarzeau | tam: without f it wants to access the default tape drive |
| 21:40.15 | tam | tarzeau: aha, thanks |
| 21:40.18 | Coffee | shingouz: yes it is :) but not recognized anyway |
| 21:40.21 | tarzeau | tam: oh and z for .gz |
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| 21:40.28 | MasterChief | me_here: it says there are no upgrades |
| 21:40.29 | thomas_adam | Coffee: Ah, thank god. I've run out of cpffee, too. DCC me some... |
| 21:41.06 | shingouz | Coffee: that is isa and i think it is not pnp at all. do you have discover on your system? |
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| 21:41.25 | Coffee | thomas_adam: ROFL |
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| 21:41.39 | tam | tarzeau: -tf does it without error but adding the z gives error :) |
| 21:41.56 | me_here | MasterChief: apt-get update then apt-get upgrade ( i assume you installed mysql-common & Co. earlier ) |
| 21:41.57 | Coffee | shingouz: how can i use discover ? |
| 21:42.02 | tarzeau | tam: interesting, you pipe it? |
| 21:42.04 | nvz | Coffee: apt-get install discover |
| 21:42.05 | Teufel | I just reinstalled debian on my system. I did a apt-get install xserver-xfree86 but when I do a startx it still says bash: command not found... what am I missing? |
| 21:42.09 | thomas_adam | Coffee: Oh wait. You've heard that many times. This iSA card -- are you using pnpdump(8) ? |
| 21:42.10 | tarzeau | tam: what says file on.your.tar.gz ? |
| 21:42.14 | shingouz | Coffee: i asked if you have it installed there |
| 21:42.20 | audian | tarzeau, Would it be bad to use /usr/local/bin as a place to hold my downloads? |
| 21:42.26 | tarzeau | audian: yes |
| 21:42.26 | darxeth | damn, can somebody help me with the smbclient thing please? |
| 21:42.33 | me_here | Teufel: do you configured it already ? |
| 21:42.39 | tarzeau | audian: download go to ~/porn/ |
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| 21:42.41 | audian | tarzeau, =/ so confusing >.< |
| 21:42.46 | audian | tarzeau, lol |
| 21:42.46 | me_here | Teufel: dpkg --configure --pending ? |
| 21:42.49 | Teufel | me_here: yes i went through the setup process |
| 21:42.50 | Coffee | all : sec |
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| 21:43.10 | tarzeau | audian: or /usr/src |
| 21:43.18 | m0nch | hi |
| 21:43.22 | valdyn | Teufel: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 21:43.30 | tarzeau | Teufel: add -core |
| 21:43.41 | tam | tarzeau: no sorry, i didn't pipe it |
| 21:43.42 | audian | tarzeau, whats the stuff in there? do I need it? |
| 21:43.45 | Coffee | thomas_adam: i dunno what are u talking about :( |
| 21:43.46 | valdyn | Teufel: apt-get install x-window-system-core ( alternatively, less stuff ) |
| 21:43.49 | tarzeau | audian: what stuff ? |
| 21:43.50 | Cope | I have a stale entry in my arp cache, which I am trying to delete by arp -d; Its still there - I can see it in /proc/net/arp too. How can I get rid of it? |
| 21:44.00 | m0nch | i need help.. im trying to configure qmail+vpopmail |
| 21:44.00 | audian | tarzeau, there are some folders and files in /usr/src |
| 21:44.04 | Coffee | shingouz: i don't have discover |
| 21:44.08 | tarzeau | Cope: why do you want to? |
| 21:44.08 | Teufel | thanks guys |
| 21:44.13 | tarzeau | !folder |
| 21:44.13 | dpkg | i heard folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
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| 21:44.23 | tarzeau | audian: maybe someone put it there. what are they called? |
| 21:44.33 | tcsetattr | Coffee, that's an OPL3-SA2 card |
| 21:44.42 | shingouz | Coffee: in that case install isanpntools |
| 21:44.44 | Teufel | so the xserver-xfree86 is just the driver for the x-window-system? |
| 21:44.46 | audian | tarzeau, modules, rpm, kernel-source-2.4.27.. ect ect... |
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| 21:44.58 | Coffee | tcsetattr: yes |
| 21:45.03 | m0nch | any spanish channel? |
| 21:45.07 | thechitowncubs | I am trying to get an init script working with the premade skeleton file but the daemon i am launching requires a this to run "-c /etc/kaid.conf" |
| 21:45.10 | valdyn | Teufel: you can start it with 'X', but helper scripts like startx are not part of it. |
| 21:45.14 | nvz | Coffee: isapnptools would work better though |
| 21:45.21 | Coffee | shingouz: ok |
| 21:45.23 | shingouz | !es |
| 21:45.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:45.23 | thechitowncubs | how could I implement that in the start-stop-daemon --exec command |
| 21:45.26 | Teufel | valdyn: ah |
| 21:45.29 | tcsetattr | just trying to give a hint... opl3sa2 driver should work |
| 21:45.32 | shingouz | m0nch: ^^^ |
| 21:45.40 | Coffee | nvz: apt-get install isapnptools? |
| 21:45.44 | bourneagain | valdyn: I am on the right track :) Thanks! :) |
| 21:45.51 | nvz | Coffee: yep |
| 21:46.08 | Cope | tarzeau: long story! |
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| 21:46.26 | tarzeau | audian: if you don't need it anymore, remove it, probably by removing kernel-source packages and rpm package |
| 21:46.33 | shingouz | m0nch: do not message me |
| 21:46.34 | Coffee | nvz: how can i run it now ? |
| 21:46.37 | tarzeau | Cope: i've got plent of time -- it's weekend |
| 21:46.42 | m0nch | ok sorry |
| 21:46.45 | Cope | tarzeau: ok :-) |
| 21:46.49 | m0nch | too many ppl on the channel |
| 21:46.51 | tcsetattr | isapnptools is old cruft that is unnecessary now that Linux supports isapnp in the kernel |
| 21:46.53 | nvz | Coffee: I have no idea, that was shingouz's idea, I was just correcting his spelling |
| 21:46.53 | FieldySnuts | !ppl |
| 21:46.53 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 21:46.54 | m0nch | too many messages |
| 21:46.55 | shingouz | Coffee: man pnpdump |
| 21:46.58 | tarzeau | m0nch: no too crappy irc client probably |
| 21:47.04 | Teufel | You don't HAVE to have kde or gnome do you? I can just start installing other less popular guis? |
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| 21:47.12 | m0nch | i really need help |
| 21:47.13 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: hehehe |
| 21:47.19 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: haven't ever seen this one ;) |
| 21:47.20 | FieldySnuts | Teufel: you are correct |
| 21:47.20 | shingouz | nvz: my speelink sucks at the moment |
| 21:47.25 | m0nch | but its impossible |
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| 21:47.36 | audian | tarzeau, It wont let me delete them =/ |
| 21:47.38 | shingouz | m0nch: you need help with what? |
| 21:47.39 | Coffee | shongouz : thanx i'll explore it a bit :) |
| 21:47.44 | tarzeau | audian: are you root? |
| 21:47.44 | thechitowncubs | Anyone want to help me with a simple question? |
| 21:47.46 | kevin_ | yea, next weekend I will have all the time in the world, going camping with no hydro and that meens the laptop stays home and Kevin gets some rest lol |
| 21:47.52 | audian | tarzeau, yes? i dunno |
| 21:47.53 | tarzeau | thechitowncubs: we can't read your mind |
| 21:47.59 | grml | anyone tried www.debianpure.com yet? looks awesome |
| 21:47.59 | tarzeau | audian: type "id" |
| 21:47.59 | valdyn | thechitowncubs: if you ask it |
| 21:48.03 | m0nch | shingouz: im tryin to configure qmail+vpopmail |
| 21:48.07 | Teufel | Anyone have some good suggestions for GUI's? Basically I just want one that looks really cool |
| 21:48.09 | MasterChief | me_here: I still says there are no new ones |
| 21:48.09 | audian | tarzeau, yeah |
| 21:48.12 | tarzeau | grml: nah, looks not so nice if you ask me |
| 21:48.13 | audian | tarzeau, i am |
| 21:48.15 | thechitowncubs | I DID ASK IT |
| 21:48.16 | shingouz | !tell m0nch about ask |
| 21:48.19 | tarzeau | grml: tried www.lesbian.mine.nu ? |
| 21:48.21 | FieldySnuts | Teufel: xfce4 is simple small and fast |
| 21:48.22 | thechitowncubs | I am trying to get an init script working with the premade skeleton file but the daemon i am launching requires a this to run "-c /etc/kaid.conf" |
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| 21:48.24 | thechitowncubs | how could I implement that in the start-stop-daemon --exec command |
| 21:48.39 | valdyn | Teufel: that's a matter of taste =/ |
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| 21:48.56 | audian | ooo figured that one out on my own! go me |
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| 21:49.02 | audian | rm is for remove! |
| 21:49.05 | nvz | Teufel: furthermore, its also a matter of function. a GUI for what |
| 21:49.07 | valdyn | Teufel: and beside that most guis can be made to look pretty much like any other gui |
| 21:49.09 | tarzeau | audian: rm is not friendly fire! |
| 21:49.10 | FieldySnuts | Teufel: and there are endless other light weight ones, icewm, fluxbox blackbox, ask anyone here, people use all sorts of stuff |
| 21:49.33 | bourneagain | valdyn: Thanks for the help. It is definitely time for me to rest this brain of mine. It is now mush. |
| 21:49.36 | m0nch | shingouz: but when i do telnet to my localhost i got this error:Jun 24 11:25:25 localhost imaplogin: Connection, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1] |
| 21:49.36 | m0nch | Jun 24 11:25:48 localhost imaplogin: LOGIN FAILED, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1] |
| 21:49.37 | me_here | MasterChief: then use aptitude, it will greet you with a menu system, you can select those packages wich u want and you'll also see some description of them and a dependency tree along, select wich ones you want and you're done |
| 21:49.39 | tarzeau | Teufel: ion3, ratpoison |
| 21:49.39 | Cope | tarzeau: Debian server (kotov) is an nfs server which provides for a diskless client. Another server runs rarpd for the diskless client. I was trying (and failing) earlier to get the debian server to do rarpd, and in the process added the client's mac address to the arp cache manually. I have since switched off the client, and given a different machine the ip that kotov believes is assigned to the mac address. Now kotov and the other |
| 21:49.40 | Teufel | nvz: just one to look cool pretty mcuh hah... |
| 21:49.44 | valdyn | bourneagain: welcome |
| 21:49.52 | FieldySnuts | damn this place is moving too fast for even me (this line doesn't help)( |
| 21:49.53 | kevin_ | I am using icewm on my laptop here and I love it.... |
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| 21:50.03 | tarzeau | Cope: i see, it's not by chance in /etc/ethers ? |
| 21:50.03 | grml | tarzeau, I am looking for a nice pure debian install, i like checking out lesbians also |
| 21:50.10 | shingouz | m0nch: the channel, not me, the channel. i am not an expert on what you need to do there |
| 21:50.19 | nvz | Teufel: glxgears *shrug* its a GUI to tell you how many fps you have |
| 21:50.20 | thechitowncubs | Did you guys see my question? |
| 21:50.21 | tarzeau | grml: seriously, here it's best if you have the one real debian and nothing else |
| 21:50.24 | m0nch | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.25 | Cope | tarzeau: yeah, but I thought I'd commeneted it out. *checking* |
| 21:50.27 | m0nch | ok shingouz |
| 21:50.31 | tarzeau | grml: no non-free, no unofficial packages, no contrib |
| 21:50.31 | FieldySnuts | kde and gnome are nice, i just find they use up unreasonable resources (especially memory), the lighter wm's are noticeably faster |
| 21:50.33 | nvz | Teufel: I think it looks cool |
| 21:50.34 | Teufel | nvz: fps? |
| 21:50.41 | nvz | Teufel: frames per second |
| 21:50.43 | shingouz | thechitowncubs: did you install the daemon with apt-get? |
| 21:50.54 | tarzeau | try gnustep also |
| 21:50.57 | thechitowncubs | shingouz: no.... |
| 21:50.57 | Teufel | nvz: ah... was like first person shooters? |
| 21:51.06 | Cope | tarzeau: as I said - the mac is in /etc/ethers, but commented out |
| 21:51.08 | shingouz | thechitowncubs: and why not? |
| 21:51.20 | tarzeau | Cope: hm, no idea then |
| 21:51.22 | thechitowncubs | shingouz: because its not in the repos |
| 21:51.23 | nvz | Teufel: its 3 moving gears, tells you how many fps your hardware can do |
| 21:51.29 | grml | tarzeau: lemme look @ it |
| 21:51.33 | nvz | Teufel: but its a GUI, and its "cool looking" |
| 21:51.38 | nvz | Teufel: vagueness kills |
| 21:51.39 | thechitowncubs | its a Console Tunneling applicatoin |
| 21:51.44 | Cope | tarzeau: any other ways to remove am emtry from the arp cache? |
| 21:51.47 | valdyn | thechitowncubs: --exec "blah -c whatever" does not work? |
| 21:51.53 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: some girl i've met at a lug, found gnustep very pleasant looking ;) |
| 21:52.02 | tarzeau | Cope: reboot? |
| 21:52.11 | tarzeau | Cope: is the machine online somewhere? restart all daemons? |
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| 21:52.16 | thechitowncubs | valdyn: no it doesn't work |
| 21:52.19 | tarzeau | Cope: power cycle network devices ? |
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| 21:52.30 | m0nch | someone can help me..... when i do telnet to mi localhost on imap port (143) got : Jun 24 11:25:25 localhost imaplogin: Connection, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1] |
| 21:52.31 | m0nch | Jun 24 11:25:48 localhost imaplogin: LOGIN FAILED, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1] |
| 21:52.31 | m0nch | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.34 | audian | tarzeau, How can I change the name of my comp? like when you do uname -m |
| 21:52.41 | FieldySnuts | where is the arp cache at? is this a thing like a switch or a computer? |
| 21:52.48 | tarzeau | audian: hostname newname |
| 21:52.50 | thechitowncubs | it gives this error: Starting XBOX Tunneling Daemon: kaidstart-stop-daemon: stat /usr/bin/kaid -c /etc/kaid.conf: No such file or directory |
| 21:52.53 | audian | tarzeau, ty |
| 21:52.56 | tarzeau | audian: then /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts, then telinit q |
| 21:53.10 | nvz | TLAs are dangerous when people don't actually know WTF they mean and they use them over and over |
| 21:53.14 | nvz | out of context |
| 21:53.20 | FieldySnuts | tla? |
| 21:53.23 | tarzeau | !tla |
| 21:53.24 | dpkg | well, tla is Three Letter Acronym. or the archetypal TLA. |
| 21:53.25 | audian | tarzeau, ok lost me |
| 21:53.29 | FieldySnuts | irony |
| 21:53.31 | shingouz | thechitowncubs: isnt the error pretty selfexplanatory? you are missing the config file |
| 21:53.34 | nvz | heh |
| 21:53.39 | tarzeau | !nvz |
| 21:53.39 | dpkg | well, nvz is the village idiot, or a Natural Verified Zonq'er. |
| 21:53.48 | thechitowncubs | shingouz: actually, I'm not |
| 21:53.50 | FieldySnuts | !hire nvz |
| 21:53.52 | thechitowncubs | both those files exist |
| 21:53.57 | Cope | tarzeau: /me nods - i tried restarting networking; |
| 21:54.07 | m0nch | imap-courier who knows about that |
| 21:54.17 | shingouz | thechitowncubs: is it in the correct place, the permissions are what they should be? |
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| 21:54.19 | tarzeau | m0nch: don't repeat please |
| 21:54.20 | FieldySnuts | those look like ipv6 addresses by the way |
| 21:54.22 | tarzeau | m0nch: know what about it? |
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| 21:54.32 | nvz | haha! I am making more money than simonrvn! he's doing what? something with bush and the UN IIRC |
| 21:54.39 | FieldySnuts | oh really? |
| 21:54.41 | thechitowncubs | shingouz: To put it this way, if i execute: sudo kaid -c /etc/kaid.conf |
| 21:54.41 | FieldySnuts | !hire FieldySnuts |
| 21:54.42 | thechitowncubs | it works |
| 21:54.44 | FieldySnuts | damn! |
| 21:54.44 | m0nch | imap-courier who knows about that |
| 21:54.47 | nvz | for $1/hr |
| 21:54.47 | tarzeau | nvz: simonrvn is a bubble bobble addict |
| 21:54.52 | tarzeau | m0nch: STFU |
| 21:54.53 | blablablabla | I can't get my laptop with nvidia based graphic card to use my external crt as its secondary monitor, it works as primary when connecting it ... but I want to use it as secondary. Can anyone help? |
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| 21:55.03 | m0nch | Jun 24 11:25:25 localhost imaplogin: Connection, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1] |
| 21:55.03 | m0nch | Jun 24 11:25:48 localhost imaplogin: LOGIN FAILED, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1] |
| 21:55.05 | me_here | if i run glxgears i get around 30 fps and a message dri is missing on :0.0, but drm is built in kernel, so what else do i have to do, (and dri module is loaded through XF86conf) ?? |
| 21:55.06 | m0nch | this error |
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| 21:55.12 | FieldySnuts | stop flooding us pleaes, we saw it the first two times |
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| 21:55.24 | valdyn | thechitowncubs: read the manpage: start-stop-daemon --exec stuff -- -c blah |
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| 21:55.32 | FieldySnuts | and it isn't enough information to figure out why anyway, the one possible problem I see is those look like IPV6 addresses |
| 21:55.34 | Cope | ~tell m0nch about who knows |
| 21:55.38 | FieldySnuts | and i have no idea where to go from there |
| 21:55.48 | Cope | !tell m0nch about who knows |
| 21:55.49 | m0nch | about authentication on courier-imap |
| 21:55.52 | nvz | m0nch: thats not how this place operates, you can quit doing that and learn how to participate, or you can be banished |
| 21:55.55 | shingouz | thechitowncubs: well why not use the thing as root then with that syntax (but without the sudo) |
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| 21:56.00 | FieldySnuts | screw it i'm usin ignore |
| 21:56.19 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: youe losin key |
| 21:56.20 | m0nch | how i can participate? |
| 21:56.27 | thechitowncubs | shingouz: if i try this sudo /etc/init.d/kaid start it doesn't work |
| 21:56.34 | FieldySnuts | i'm especially irritated and aggitated this week, i don't need more |
| 21:56.44 | valdyn | thechitowncubs: read what i said above? |
| 21:56.52 | shingouz | thechitowncubs: have you checked what the script contains? |
| 21:56.58 | bucky | m0nch, what version of debian are you using? |
| 21:57.02 | thechitowncubs | shingouz: yes i made it |
| 21:57.19 | thechitowncubs | valdyn: yes |
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| 21:57.26 | thechitowncubs | doesn't help me |
| 21:57.32 | FieldySnuts | i think i'll start using irssi on weekends here, the -replies feature to /ignore is just too valuable at those times |
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| 21:57.49 | bucky | !irritate FieldySnuts |
| 21:57.50 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh quake3 kthx |
| 21:57.50 | nvz | m0nch: you can ask a more intelligent question, and if nobody answers, you can try something else. trying the same thing over and over and over and expecting a different result is a sign of mental illness |
| 21:57.53 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 21:58.15 | thechitowncubs | valdyn: I don't want start-stop-daemon to use the -c option, i want the kaid daemon that i'm trying to execute to use it... |
| 21:58.22 | FieldySnuts | one defintion of insanity is trying the same thing repeatedly, no matter how many tiems you fail, in exactly the same way |
| 21:58.35 | valdyn | thechitowncubs: i know, thats why i wrote what i wrote, it does what you want. |
| 21:58.49 | nvz | m0nch: there are many other ways and places to get help, but if you need mental help, this isnt the place. try and act like you know where you are, and quit repeating shit over and over. just because the channel moves quickly and _you_ cant follow it, doesnt mean everyone else cant |
| 21:58.50 | thechitowncubs | valdyn: want to type what i should write then? |
| 21:58.51 | shingouz | thechitowncubs: well we need more information before we can even think about helping you. the only thing you have so far managed to do is to tell us it does not work. you have had a few hints already, check the configs for correct syntax and permissions, if the init file is correct etc |
| 21:58.54 | audian | tarzeau, What was that other file you told me? there was /etc/hosts and? |
| 21:59.05 | tarzeau | audian: /etc/hostname |
| 21:59.10 | audian | k |
| 21:59.25 | valdyn | thechitowncubs: from the manpage: Any arguments given after -- on the command line are passed unmodified to the program being started. |
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| 21:59.56 | valdyn | thechitowncubs: so.. 'start-stop-daemon --exec kaid -- -c kaid.conf |
| 21:59.58 | thechitowncubs | shingouz: I'm asking a question... how can i make start-stop-daemon execute a program with the programs options such as "-c /etc/kaid.conf" |
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| 22:00.09 | FieldySnuts | yes we know you've asked like 9 times now |
| 22:00.16 | shingouz | thechitowncubs: what valdyn just said |
| 22:00.19 | FieldySnuts | maybe we don't know, or don't care |
| 22:00.23 | nvz | I think that about sums up my opinion on seeing the same useless information about some unkown issue for 15minutes or more |
| 22:00.26 | thechitowncubs | valdyn: thanks i'll try that :) |
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| 22:00.43 | shingouz | (ffs...) |
| 22:00.54 | intension | nvz thanks for your useless information as well |
| 22:01.09 | nvz | intension: hey, I broke the cycle. |
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| 22:01.47 | thechitowncubs | valdyn: thank you so much, I appreciate it |
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| 22:01.50 | kevin_ | I am working on maybe putting Debian Sarge on my desktop pc as well, I don't know if I have enough knowledge to be able to use it properly |
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| 22:01.54 | xt0ne | im lagged |
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| 22:02.07 | tarzeau | kevin_: easy to find out: try |
| 22:02.09 | FieldySnuts | lately it truly is permasunday. that's scary |
| 22:02.16 | nvz | the process goes something like, ask a specific question, wait for an answer, possibly try rephrasing, then go fuckinggoogleit.com or try a mailing list, or another channel |
| 22:02.17 | robby | hello everyone |
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| 22:02.22 | xt0ne | i need help configuring imap-courier |
| 22:02.37 | xt0ne | dont authenticate |
| 22:02.41 | me_here | lo robby |
| 22:02.43 | tarzeau | xt0ne: honey |
| 22:02.45 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 22:02.45 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 22:02.50 | tarzeau | xt0ne: did you look at the logfiles? |
| 22:02.52 | robby | i need help with a desknote A900 |
| 22:03.00 | tarzeau | robby: we can't read mind, dude |
| 22:03.02 | xt0ne | tarzeau, yes |
| 22:03.04 | kevin_ | I am using it on my laptop and still get somewhat cofused, so I may just keep it on my laptop until I am a little bit mor comfy with it |
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| 22:03.13 | xt0ne | tarzeau, i got the error |
| 22:03.14 | tarzeau | xt0ne: what do they say about the authentication? |
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| 22:03.29 | tarzeau | kevin_: what's causing you confusion? |
| 22:03.36 | xt0ne | tarzeau, look |
| 22:03.40 | MasterChief | me_here? |
| 22:03.50 | nvz | tarzeau: speak for yourself.. maybe you need a bigger satellite. reading minds is the easy part, making sense of the shit people think is a whole different story |
| 22:03.51 | xt0ne | tarzeau, Jun 24 11:25:25 localhost imaplogin: Connection, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1] |
| 22:03.51 | me_here | MasterChief: ?? |
| 22:03.51 | xt0ne | Jun 24 11:25:48 localhost imaplogin: LOGIN FAILED, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1] |
| 22:04.04 | kevin_ | I am just new to Linux and am doing a lot of reading on Debian so I just need to keep working with it |
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| 22:04.18 | intension | kevin_ Shanna` ?? |
| 22:04.21 | robby | I am right with you kevin...same prob here |
| 22:04.47 | MasterChief | me_here: it says there is no upgrade available |
| 22:04.48 | robby | I have a hardware(possibly compatability issue) here |
| 22:04.51 | MobyTurbo | !tell kevin_ -about fundamentals |
| 22:04.54 | kevin_ | intension? I am at a loss, don't know what ya meen |
| 22:04.55 | xt0ne | any idea? |
| 22:05.05 | shingouz | !any idea |
| 22:05.05 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen three-legged bunnies. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 22:05.13 | me_here | MasterChief: ok and what version did you get for mysql then ? |
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| 22:05.27 | intension | kevin_ Shanna` told us today he/she was the great kevin troll .... |
| 22:05.31 | tarzeau | nvz: heh |
| 22:05.34 | FieldySnuts | Cabal.. heh |
| 22:05.46 | tarzeau | xt0ne: that's not it, what logfile is that? try auth.log ? |
| 22:05.46 | kevin_ | oh, ok lol |
| 22:05.49 | nvz | xt0ne: I have this idea, that maybe we should ban your IP, because you are now in here as two (maybe more) users and still havent reat the /topic and cant control your flooding, or asking stupid questions |
| 22:05.49 | MasterChief | I want 4.1 but you told me to to upgrade |
| 22:06.09 | FieldySnuts | i wondered about that. good catch nvz. |
| 22:06.14 | xt0ne | nvz, i think that u are a sapo |
| 22:06.20 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 22:06.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:06.25 | nvz | yes, by the way, I know its you.. changing your nick and signing in again isnt fooling me, especially since you are saying the same shit over and over |
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| 22:06.29 | xt0ne | tarzeau, let me see |
| 22:06.32 | FieldySnuts | what the hell is a sapo, do you mean the aussie slang seppo? |
| 22:06.52 | FieldySnuts | for the lazy: /ignore *!*@200.21.139.156 all or similar |
| 22:06.59 | xt0ne | nvz. im lagged stupid |
| 22:07.04 | audian | uhmmm... uh oh |
| 22:07.07 | xt0ne | i reconnect |
| 22:07.10 | MobyTurbo | 'bbiab |
| 22:07.13 | audian | is there an undo for the mv command? |
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| 22:07.19 | tarzeau | audian: hahaha |
| 22:07.23 | intension | audian mv |
| 22:07.23 | tarzeau | audian: CRACKS ME REALLY UP NOW ;) |
| 22:07.30 | FieldySnuts | audian: backups, or else, no. |
| 22:07.39 | me_here | MasterChief: then apt-get mysql-common-yourversion, what's the problem, i mean if there are any dependencies to take care of apt-get will be able to solve, and if you get some dependency problems just get rid of the older version then |
| 22:07.40 | tarzeau | intension: not if you overwrite files |
| 22:07.40 | audian | tarzeau, =/ moved a file... like onto another file apparently |
| 22:07.46 | tarzeau | audian: I KNEW IT! |
| 22:07.48 | tarzeau | audian: LOLZ |
| 22:07.52 | shingouz | xt0ne: using words like stupid on the people who pretty much live here is not a real good idea if you really want to get help |
| 22:07.57 | valdyn | !unix lessons |
| 22:07.57 | audian | tarzeau, was bound to happen! im a newb! |
| 22:07.57 | dpkg | well, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 22:07.58 | MasterChief | thank you |
| 22:08.10 | tarzeau | audian: remember what i told you? |
| 22:08.14 | audian | tarzeau, nope |
| 22:08.21 | me_here | MasterChief: actually it will not install and ask you if there are problems, unless you force it to |
| 22:08.22 | xt0ne | shingouz, ok but nvz dont really help |
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| 22:08.48 | shingouz | xt0ne: me neither. /ignore is such a sweet command. |
| 22:08.50 | robby | can anyone help me, I don't mind waiting in line... |
| 22:08.55 | tarzeau | audian: heh, i don't remember either ;) |
| 22:09.05 | audian | tarzeau, =p |
| 22:09.08 | tarzeau | audian: but i know i did, and it was smart and important |
| 22:09.08 | luthien | I have a problem with a cryptoloop filesystem using serpent encryption since I upgraded from woody to sarge. The filesystem was created under woody. When I try to setup the loop device and mount it using sarge, I always get a "bad superblock ..." blurb. I guess the deencryption key is incorrect. I *can* create crypted filesystems in sarge, but the ones created under woody can not be accessed. Any ideas what's going on? |
| 22:09.17 | xt0ne | ok shingouz |
| 22:09.27 | audian | whatever.. ill just reinstall cedega |
| 22:09.53 | intension | robby ask a question, so someone might be able to understand your problem |
| 22:09.55 | Nebulous | hmm, I wonder if that's the John I know... |
| 22:09.58 | robby | ok |
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| 22:10.22 | huby | And now for something completely diffrent: Has someone a list of alternative apt Servers? E.g. for complete mplayer, openoffice 2.0 beta, etc. |
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| 22:10.33 | FieldySnuts | huby: IT'S! |
| 22:10.35 | tarzeau | huby: no |
| 22:10.39 | FieldySnuts | <sousa march> |
| 22:10.45 | shingouz | huby: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:10.58 | tarzeau | huby: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ for skins |
| 22:11.04 | shingouz | huby: about the openoffice i am not too sure |
| 22:11.05 | nvz | xt0ne: I help when I know what the problem is. You lack the ability to read the /topic and practice proper chattiquite |
| 22:11.07 | robby | My Desknote Screen won't work however I have an external monitor hooked up for the moment which works fine...I have removed the external monitor and rebooted but no joy. in order to see the Debian GUI I have to have the external monitor connected |
| 22:11.09 | Nebulous | anyways, I installed postgresql-contrib... now how do I actually install the modules? or where is a document somewhere that tells me what I need to do? |
| 22:11.22 | audian | Is there a shortcut for opening terminal >.> |
| 22:11.28 | tarzeau | audian: meta-n ? |
| 22:11.31 | FieldySnuts | vague? |
| 22:11.33 | tarzeau | audian: terminal.app that is |
| 22:11.36 | audian | tarzeau, meta? |
| 22:11.40 | tarzeau | audian: alt usually |
| 22:11.46 | audian | tarzeau, k cool |
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| 22:12.27 | audian | Oh and, in some pictures ive seen people have like.. customized terminals.. how do I do that? |
| 22:12.39 | tarzeau | audian: edit $PS1 ? |
| 22:12.55 | Nebulous | you will probably need to give more information than 'customized terminals' |
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| 22:13.01 | robby | My Desknote Screen won't work however I have an external monitor hooked up for the moment which works fine...I have removed the external monitor and rebooted but no joy. in order to see the Debian GUI I have to have the external monitor connected |
| 22:13.03 | nvz | xt0ne: the topic clearly says not to paste in here, which you've pasted the same vague errors as multiple nicknames, some 4 times or more, without trying once to make more sense |
| 22:13.14 | audian | nebris, they have transparent backgrounds |
| 22:13.17 | FieldySnuts | nvz: just ignore his dumb ass (by ip)! |
| 22:13.17 | audian | erm |
| 22:13.20 | audian | wrong guy |
| 22:13.20 | FieldySnuts | wasting your time |
| 22:13.22 | tarzeau | audian: man console_codes |
| 22:13.23 | huby | shingouz: marillat is now on debian.tu-bs.de/mplayer/ or am I wrong? |
| 22:13.27 | Coffee | shingouz: created isapnp.conf with pnpdump and ran isapnp this gived me : Board 1 has Identity 91 ff ff ff ff 35 48 83 0c: CDC4835 Serial No -1 [checksu |
| 22:13.29 | tarzeau | audian: and install fortune ? |
| 22:13.33 | Nebulous | audian: ah. That's fairly easy on many terminals. |
| 22:13.42 | audian | tarzeau, fortune? |
| 22:13.47 | shingouz | huby: did you read the factoid dpkg sent you? |
| 22:13.53 | Coffee | shingouz: so what to do next ? |
| 22:13.59 | Nebulous | audian: eterm, wterm, konsole, gterm all have it, it's pretty easy to enable in konsole and gterm |
| 22:14.04 | huby | tarzeau: Thanx I didn't knew this one |
| 22:14.12 | nvz | FieldySnuts: if I ignored people, I would not have got that message you just sent me :P |
| 22:14.20 | Nebulous | gterm / gnome-terminal |
| 22:14.26 | shingouz | Coffee: edit the file so that the irq's etc are correct. basically uncomment the relevant lines |
| 22:14.31 | xt0ne | hehe |
| 22:14.32 | audian | Nebulous, k |
| 22:14.35 | FieldySnuts | !confuse nvz |
| 22:14.35 | dpkg | No, what are our bacon tomorrow, nvz? trousers of the monarchy of swaziland with extra anchovies |
| 22:14.36 | huby | shingouz: marillat.free.fr is dead for me ;-( |
| 22:14.45 | Thor- | I have just installed sarge in this laptop (dualboot). I'm trying to change the default login manager and displaymanager to kde. dpkg-reconfigure kde reports kde is not installed dpkg -l kde reports ii kde. where do I go next? |
| 22:14.48 | shingouz | huby: hmm.... sec |
| 22:14.53 | intension | robby try to reconfigure your x |
| 22:14.54 | FieldySnuts | he probably moved it due to EU parliments caving in on software patents |
| 22:14.55 | tarzeau | Thor-: you mean kdm ? |
| 22:14.57 | robby | is there another room that I could possibly get help in that isn't so busy? |
| 22:15.03 | huby | shingouz: I've replaced it to http://debian.tu-bs.de/mplayer/ |
| 22:15.04 | tarzeau | Thor-: in wdm you can choose at login |
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| 22:15.06 | FieldySnuts | </politics> perhaps a google for "mplayer debian" would help |
| 22:15.13 | tarzeau | !room |
| 22:15.14 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 22:15.14 | robby | I am new to linux intension |
| 22:15.14 | Coffee | shingouz: you meen this is the error sign ? |
| 22:15.14 | initech | Thor-: dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
| 22:15.16 | xt0ne | alguien habla español |
| 22:15.20 | tarzeau | robby: #debian_ |
| 22:15.23 | robby | I don't know how.... |
| 22:15.28 | javier_ | xt0ne yop, pero tb busco ayuda |
| 22:15.28 | robby | ty tarz |
| 22:15.32 | shingouz | huby: nerim.net seemed to work for me yesterday |
| 22:15.42 | sussudio | !tasso |
| 22:15.48 | sussudio | !tejon |
| 22:15.48 | dpkg | http://faunaiberica.org/especies.php3?esp=52 |
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| 22:15.55 | Thor- | initech: reports the same as dpkg-reconfigure xdm or gdm or kdm |
| 22:15.57 | tarzeau | !tomato |
| 22:15.58 | paulswm | robby: ##debian also |
| 22:15.59 | xt0ne | bueno javier tratemos de ayudarnos pues porque estos manes por cualquier bobada estrilan |
| 22:16.00 | nvz | FieldySnuts: then again, you would manage to still find some way to get around it.. they dont have an ignore regex out that can shut you up :P |
| 22:16.02 | dhuv | hello all |
| 22:16.13 | intension | robby then ask how to reconfigure x |
| 22:16.14 | dhuv | i am having an issue with the hostap driver. I had the prism2 driver installed before and now want to swtich |
| 22:16.15 | javier_ | xt0ne k necesitas tu? |
| 22:16.15 | huby | shingouz: is nerim.net an official mirror to marillat? |
| 22:16.24 | xt0ne | javier de seguro ahora chistan porque hablamos español vas a ver |
| 22:16.28 | FieldySnuts | nvz: meanie |
| 22:16.38 | xt0ne | javier nesecito ayuda configurando qmail |
| 22:16.40 | dhuv | dmesg shows this line when I insert the card "prism2: wlan0: operating mode changed 3 -> 2" |
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| 22:16.45 | javier_ | po zi st0ne spanish is diferent!! |
| 22:16.47 | shingouz | huby: hehe.. should be. i have had it here for a long time now and it has always worked for me |
| 22:17.02 | nvz | FieldySnuts: sorry, I find your bot tactics/antics annoying |
| 22:17.06 | initech | Thor-: correct, which is to say it asks you what display manager you want to use, which is what you asked for |
| 22:17.10 | javier_ | xt0ne nunca prove el qmail, pero k es lo k le pasa? |
| 22:17.23 | xt0ne | javier el problema es con el courier-imap |
| 22:17.26 | paulswm | !tell javier_ about es |
| 22:17.27 | nvz | its only funny in small doese |
| 22:17.27 | audian | lol... when the terminal bg is transparent, it still doesnt show windows behind it... funny |
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| 22:17.35 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:17.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd112 is <Powered> jm_: I dont understand man tell me witch commando I willuse ? <jm_> Powered: I am not sure if I have the patience to do that <Powered> jm_: Why ? <jm_> Powered: because you're vastly inexperienced Powered> jm_: But plz tell me. <jm_> Powered: you'll need to get the source package, edit the files, build the deb and then install that <Powered> jm_: Install what ? <jm_> Powered: see? |
| 22:17.40 | javier_ | about es? |
| 22:17.42 | paulswm | !tell xt0ne about es |
| 22:17.47 | shingouz | wtf, he speaks spanish now? |
| 22:17.51 | javier_ | paulswm como? |
| 22:17.52 | robby | ok...how do I reconfigure x to allow my desknote/laptop screen to work? |
| 22:17.59 | nvz | shingouz: he does whatever it takes to be annoying is what I think |
| 22:18.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 820] by debhelper |
| 22:18.06 | xt0ne | javier,no te dije que hiban a chistar? |
| 22:18.13 | javier_ | po zi |
| 22:18.18 | javier_ | tan tocandonos las pelotillas |
| 22:18.26 | javier_ | nos dicen "es" |
| 22:18.27 | shingouz | nvz: as i said, ignore is a wonderful command |
| 22:18.32 | javier_ | osea k habra algun canal español |
| 22:18.34 | dhuv | can someone recommend a good wlan scanner when using hostap driver |
| 22:18.34 | xt0ne | por cualquier cosa estrilan los pelotudos estos |
| 22:18.37 | intension | robby type this : /msg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:18.46 | sussudio | guarde por favor los miembros dentro del tren en toda la hora |
| 22:18.47 | javier_ | eso eso... => ignorarnos |
| 22:18.49 | xt0ne | eso fue lo primero que pregunte cuando entre aki y nadie dijo nada |
| 22:18.51 | paulswm | javier_, xt0ne : english here |
| 22:18.52 | FieldySnuts | for the lazy: /ignore *!*@200.21.139.156 all or similar, gets rid of xt0ne and his clones. do it for the good fo the damn channel |
| 22:19.06 | FieldySnuts | be even better if we could get a +q of that |
| 22:19.08 | shingouz | dhuv: how about kismet for sniffing out wlans? |
| 22:20.00 | nvz | I figure the ops are all - well, cooking is a good guess as any - right now. |
| 22:20.02 | sussudio | in soviet russia, wlans sniff you |
| 22:20.03 | dhuv | shingouz: thanks let me check it out |
| 22:20.11 | dhuv | do you use it, does it pickup everything? |
| 22:20.19 | nvz | seems the ops all like cooking, thas why its the most popular off-topic topic around here |
| 22:20.25 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: you've had an exhausting week, too? |
| 22:20.29 | shingouz | sussudio: in the cccp pretty much anything sniffed you out |
| 22:20.30 | Coffee | shingouz: i'm not sure what meens uncomment relevant lines :S |
| 22:20.31 | FieldySnuts | yeah... |
| 22:20.36 | xt0ne | oigan pelotudos si estan aca es para ayudar no para joder la vida |
| 22:20.38 | sess | ok, I was almost successfull in building the 2.6.12 kernel using kernel-package |
| 22:20.44 | sess | got this error Inconsistent kallsyms data |
| 22:20.44 | sess | Try setting CONFIG_KALLSYMS_EXTRA_PASS |
| 22:20.59 | sess | I have NO idea what that means |
| 22:21.01 | javier_ | bueno seguro k esos palominos no nos entienden.. |
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| 22:21.06 | Coffee | shingouz: my english is bad so explain it to me more clearly |
| 22:21.08 | tarzeau | sess: you know the .config file? |
| 22:21.10 | FieldySnuts | CONFIG_KALLSYMS_EXTRA_PASS="1" whatever command you did |
| 22:21.28 | shingouz | Coffee: see the hash-marks there in the file? you need to figure out which settings you like to use for the card and uncomment the appropriate lines. the comments in the file should be pretty much all the docs you need to do it |
| 22:21.29 | xt0ne | me van a terminar echando |
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| 22:21.39 | shingouz | Coffee: what is your native language then? |
| 22:21.51 | caphuso | sess, FieldySnuts: it's a kernel option, not an environment variable |
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| 22:22.04 | Coffee | shingouz: Ukrainian |
| 22:22.05 | FieldySnuts | ah |
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| 22:22.16 | philv | I seem to be having a problem with the daily images, but perhaps it is PEBCAK... the installer keeps failing because it can't find the etch install script... how do I get around this? |
| 22:22.16 | Coffee | shingouz: k i got that :) |
| 22:22.18 | sess | ok, so waht should I do |
| 22:22.19 | person | how do i watch quicktime movies w/o crossover? |
| 22:22.24 | shingouz | Coffee: i think there is a russian channel too if that helps? |
| 22:22.27 | Nebulous | has anyone here installed postgresql-contrib ? |
| 22:22.30 | tarzeau | person: with mplayer? |
| 22:22.32 | nvz | person: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:22.37 | tarzeau | Nebulous: no |
| 22:22.43 | nvz | person: download w32codecs from marillat |
| 22:22.43 | sess | I did load my 2.6.8 .config file when I make menuconfig .12 |
| 22:22.53 | nvz | person: then you can use any player in debian to watch them |
| 22:22.54 | audian | Hmm.. never noticed untill now.. I have no sound >.> |
| 22:23.11 | bbrazil | rc?.d question: is 's20bind9' okay (note the lower case)? |
| 22:23.14 | Coffee | shingouz : i'm on wine emulator and can't see russian fonts ... |
| 22:23.16 | person | i thought w32 codecs was for WMAs |
| 22:23.27 | tarzeau | person: not only |
| 22:23.29 | person | ok |
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| 22:23.31 | sess | yea, I installed essentials and I can't watch .mov |
| 22:23.32 | FieldySnuts | it's for a bunch of lame ass lame license binary drivers |
| 22:23.40 | nvz | person: wma, wmv, avi, mov, rm..etc |
| 22:23.40 | sess | maybe you need the all package from mplayer |
| 22:23.46 | shingouz | Coffee: umm.. why the hell are you on wine when you irc? |
| 22:23.57 | Coffee | shingouz : because of my proxy i can't use xchat |
| 22:23.57 | person | does that have a firefox plugin too? |
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| 22:24.10 | person | Coffee : get bitchx |
| 22:24.16 | intension | bbrazil linux is casesensitive |
| 22:24.19 | Nebulous | i installed postgresql-contrib-8.0 which is supposed to include SoundEx support, but it's not present in postgresql. I'm assuming that there is something I need to do to enable it, but I can't find any documentation or info online that says what that is. |
| 22:24.25 | shingouz | Coffee: irssi, bitchx, ircii and a shitload of others exist too |
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| 22:24.34 | nvz | person: why do you need a firefox plugin? firefox can launch the movie in your default player. |
| 22:24.35 | tarzeau | Coffee: and talksoup.app |
| 22:24.45 | person | ok |
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| 22:25.03 | Coffee | shingouz : kk i'll download it ;) |
| 22:25.05 | person | by the way, i got xfce working correctly |
| 22:25.09 | nvz | person: closest thing I know of is the mplayer-mozilla plugin from marillat, probably doesnt work with firefox, I woldnt know I've never used if |
| 22:25.10 | tarzeau | Nebulous: tried /usr/share/doc/postgresql-contrib-8/ ? |
| 22:25.13 | nvz | s/if/it |
| 22:25.14 | bbrazil | intension: I know this, however update-rc.d seems happy with it |
| 22:25.20 | paulswm | !irritate jethro |
| 22:25.21 | dpkg | jethro: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 22:25.25 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 22:25.31 | nvz | sess: you need w32codecs, you do _not_ need mplayer |
| 22:25.32 | Nebulous | ah, there it is. I was looking in /usr/doc |
| 22:25.39 | audian | tarzeau, any idea how to get my sound working? |
| 22:25.51 | person | so will w32codecs work with totem or xine? |
| 22:25.51 | nvz | sess: mplayer is optional, there are many other fine free (DFSG) players in debian |
| 22:25.53 | tarzeau | audian: not really. i don't use alsa |
| 22:25.57 | nvz | person: yes |
| 22:25.58 | intension | bbrazil dont do it anyway , linux doesnt complain either if you decide to rm -r / |
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| 22:26.01 | person | ok |
| 22:26.27 | bbrazil | intension: the problem is that I didn't do it |
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| 22:26.59 | Nebulous | okay, that has Readmes telling me how to USE it, but not how to INSTALL/Enable |
| 22:27.06 | sess | I was saying from mplayers site |
| 22:27.10 | sess | thats where I got the codecs |
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| 22:27.30 | xt0ne | any spanish linux help channel? |
| 22:27.34 | tarzeau | !es |
| 22:27.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:27.39 | intension | bbrazil if things arent broken theres also no need to fix them |
| 22:27.45 | tarzeau | Nebulous: are you sure it's enabled? you can check with apt-get source pkg |
| 22:27.51 | tarzeau | Nebulous: look at debian/rules file |
| 22:28.22 | bbrazil | intension: bind9 didn't start up after a reboot, the zone just expired |
| 22:28.28 | xt0ne | ahhh gracias |
| 22:28.32 | paulswm | xt0ne: That's twice you've been told about #debian-es, by both myself and tarzeau |
| 22:28.39 | Nebulous | that's what I'm trying to figure out, how to enable it. it's installed, from apt-get install postgresql-contrib-8.0 |
| 22:28.43 | tarzeau | xt0ne: de nada? |
| 22:28.45 | FieldySnuts | just @ops him or something, or ignore him, just quit feeding him |
| 22:29.01 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: *nods* |
| 22:29.08 | nvz | paulswm: maybe you should tell his clones too, he seems to like things in numbers |
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| 22:29.19 | huby | Does anybody know a secure way to setup access to a remote filesystem e.g. encryped NFS? |
| 22:29.26 | xt0ne | u say only es, i dunno |
| 22:29.27 | tarzeau | huby: forget it |
| 22:29.30 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: tell huby about nfs |
| 22:29.38 | tarzeau | huby: ssh |
| 22:29.45 | FieldySnuts | pretty sure it's got something about ssh tunneled nfs. but in general, nfs is extremely insecure, and so is the rpc shit it uses |
| 22:29.57 | paulswm | nvz: Heh, yeah :) |
| 22:30.01 | huby | does NFS over SSH work? |
| 22:30.02 | intension | bbrazil is bind9 or named not running ? |
| 22:30.09 | tarzeau | huby: you don't want to get it to work, really |
| 22:30.14 | FieldySnuts | unless the factoid is wrong |
| 22:30.17 | xt0ne | adios |
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| 22:30.29 | huby | tarzeau: why? so slow? |
| 22:30.37 | tarzeau | huby: don't ask |
| 22:30.43 | tarzeau | huby: just accept it |
| 22:30.55 | person | when i try to connect to marillat, i get Too many connections from Ip |
| 22:31.11 | tarzeau | person: do you use some download accelerator ? |
| 22:31.19 | person | synaptic |
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| 22:31.34 | Zarox | hello |
| 22:31.37 | tarzeau | person: i'd build it myself if i were you |
| 22:31.45 | tarzeau | bonjour Zarox |
| 22:31.49 | Zarox | anyone know how to fix this You do not have access to any Webmin modules ? |
| 22:31.50 | Zarox | lol :p |
| 22:31.54 | huby | tarzeau: well I HAVE to setup it... ;-( |
| 22:32.04 | tarzeau | Zarox: really, try to not use webmin |
| 22:32.10 | Zarox | hmm |
| 22:32.15 | Zarox | what else do you recommend , |
| 22:32.15 | Zarox | ? |
| 22:32.20 | huby | tarzeau: have you tried on your own? |
| 22:32.20 | tarzeau | huby: can you not just run away? far far? |
| 22:32.22 | tarzeau | Zarox: $EDITOR |
| 22:32.25 | shingouz | Zarox: webnin is bbaaadd... mmmmkay? |
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| 22:32.30 | tarzeau | huby: no, i have accepted |
| 22:32.32 | Zarox | lol |
| 22:32.35 | Zarox | Cpanel ? |
| 22:32.39 | *** part/#debian javier_ (~javier@189.Red-83-40-124.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:32.40 | tarzeau | Zarox: no, $EDITOR |
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| 22:32.50 | Zarox | its same kind of stuff ? |
| 22:32.51 | person | well, i guess it was synaptic, works fine if i install from apt with command line |
| 22:32.56 | tarzeau | hi jharrison, had some tasty fish? |
| 22:33.03 | tarzeau | Zarox: much better |
| 22:33.05 | shingouz | Zarox: does 'vi' ring a bell? |
| 22:33.12 | Zarox | lol |
| 22:33.12 | Zarox | no |
| 22:33.13 | tarzeau | shingouz: you are biased |
| 22:33.14 | paulswm | tarzeau: Why did you tell him to install firefox in /usr/loca/bin instead of using the debian package? I can't figure that out, and it's bugging me. :) |
| 22:33.18 | shingouz | so? :p |
| 22:33.18 | person | do i have to o additional setup after i get w32codecs with apt? |
| 22:33.33 | tarzeau | paulswm: i first told him about the package, but he insisted on installing it himself without giving a reason |
| 22:33.44 | tarzeau | paulswm: some people are morons. better accept it |
| 22:34.01 | shingouz | it is weekend after all |
| 22:34.03 | Zarox | tarzeau |
| 22:34.08 | Zarox | where can I get that tool ? |
| 22:34.20 | paulswm | tarzeau: Ah, I did wonder. I was not aware of the level of moronity. |
| 22:34.34 | ugly | person: using some unofficial apt repository for mplayer packages or? |
| 22:34.48 | shingouz | Zarox: any editor is better than webmin. emacs, vi, pico, joe.. any editor |
| 22:34.48 | tarzeau | Zarox: apt-get install mc, gets you mcedit, emacs-nox gets you emacs |
| 22:34.49 | person | w32codecs |
| 22:35.00 | tarzeau | Zarox: try to avoid all that starts with vi* |
| 22:35.07 | ugly | person: w32codecs isn't an official debian package, so it must be from another repository |
| 22:35.12 | person | i have it |
| 22:35.13 | Zarox | erm k... |
| 22:35.19 | tarzeau | Zarox: of course you can also get textedit.app |
| 22:35.22 | darxeth | i got this when i use smbclient //myserver... -U user%pass: tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME |
| 22:35.29 | shingouz | paulswm: the scariest part is that realsunday is here soon too |
| 22:35.30 | Zarox | whats all that |
| 22:35.30 | person | i just need to now if i need to do extra setup |
| 22:35.39 | Zarox | those are control panels right , |
| 22:35.40 | Zarox | ? |
| 22:35.53 | idnar | what type of font would be named foo.pcf.gz? |
| 22:36.08 | intension | darxeth can you use mount ? |
| 22:36.12 | shingouz | Zarox: the ones i mentioned are editors. you know what text is? editors are used to edit text |
| 22:36.14 | idnar | (well, or just .pcf) |
| 22:36.15 | ugly | person: *sigh* - whatever, in any case, if you have the codecs placed in /usr/lib/win32, mplayer will use them if it was compiled with support for them |
| 22:36.21 | Zarox | lol |
| 22:36.22 | Zarox | well |
| 22:36.25 | Zarox | what is webmin ? |
| 22:36.26 | Zarox | lol |
| 22:36.32 | shingouz | Zarox: as in remove and add letters |
| 22:36.39 | intension | Zarox it is funny |
| 22:36.42 | FieldySnuts | a tool to let people who think they are admins act like one |
| 22:36.43 | darxeth | intension i tried to use smbmount but it seems linux doesnt identify it... |
| 22:36.46 | paulswm | shingouz: the "Perfect Storm" :) |
| 22:36.47 | shingouz | Zarox: webmin is something you can point and drool at |
| 22:36.49 | FieldySnuts | and fuck up config files |
| 22:36.52 | Zarox | lol |
| 22:36.59 | ugly | person: easy way to test is by trying to play a wmv :P |
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| 22:37.05 | Nebulous | ah, I found it |
| 22:37.12 | paulswm | !webmin |
| 22:37.12 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 22:37.14 | intension | darxeth mount -t smbfs ... will do the same without the hassle |
| 22:37.25 | shingouz | someone should start making droolproof mice |
| 22:37.31 | Nebulous | there are sql files in /usr/share/postgresql/8.0/contrib that you need to import into your database |
| 22:37.34 | audian | Anyone using blackbox? |
| 22:37.40 | Zarox | lol |
| 22:37.41 | person | now i need a totem plugin for firefox because the movie runs in a pop-up |
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| 22:38.13 | shingouz | audian: don't poll here, just ask your question |
| 22:38.30 | darxeth | intension ok done... but now what? |
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| 22:38.37 | paulswm | shingouz: This one may be drool proof: http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=spermmouse.jpg&category=Computer&date=2002-10-06 |
| 22:38.46 | Nebulous | better documentation would have been helpful, I had to find that all on my own |
| 22:38.51 | intension | darxeth hehe, you tell me |
| 22:38.53 | Nebulous | by randomly snooping around the database :P |
| 22:38.56 | Nebulous | er, filesystem |
| 22:39.06 | Zarox | 1st |
| 22:39.11 | Zarox | how do I delete webmin ? |
| 22:39.11 | darxeth | intension look maybe there's something wrong with my command: smbclient //192.168.0.1/C:\Windows -U user |
| 22:39.24 | shingouz | paulswm: bwahaha :) |
| 22:39.25 | Nebulous | thanks for the help, those who contributed. |
| 22:39.30 | darxeth | where windows is the share name |
| 22:39.35 | bbrazil | intension: it wasn't |
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| 22:40.02 | bbrazil | intension: there are a number of other (removed) pacakes with a lowercase s |
| 22:40.09 | intension | darxeth yes there a nasty winword in it first of all, then you prob need to use more // |
| 22:40.17 | audian | shingouz, how do I install this style I downloaded |
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| 22:40.40 | shingouz | audian: i do not even know what you downloaded |
| 22:40.47 | darxeth | intension what do you mean a nasty winword? and why should i use more // ? :S |
| 22:41.04 | audian | shingouz, well, its a .zip file with a blackbox style in it... |
| 22:41.30 | shingouz | audian: no i do not. besides i am not in the habit to torture information out of people |
| 22:42.09 | shingouz | audian: unzip the damn thing and look for some installation instructions in it |
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| 22:42.41 | paulswm | shingouz: you are approaching a black hole event horizon, buddy |
| 22:43.06 | shingouz | paulswm: really? should i tick off for a while? a wardrive maybe? |
| 22:43.11 | intension | darxeth whats is the name of the winblows share ? |
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| 22:44.11 | darxeth | intension C:\Windows ? (dont worry the folder is empty, just to test the connection:P) |
| 22:44.17 | paulswm | shingouz: naah, you can't get the same level of frustration doing that :) |
| 22:44.40 | darxeth | intension or do you mean the computer's name? it doesnt work with the computer's name. |
| 22:44.52 | shingouz | paulswm: true... the whole setup runs smoothly now after countless hours of finetuning |
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| 22:45.04 | intension | darxeth the name of the share , not hte name of your directory is used with smbclient , fix that first |
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| 22:46.01 | darxeth | intension it's the same as the directory |
| 22:46.03 | deeku | does anybody know what the names are for different types of clusters? for example, one which only accepts job submissions and others (Mosix) which are integrated with the kernel and load balance processes? |
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| 22:46.28 | paulswm | shingouz: Then your life is *too* good, you should take up golf or compiling gentoo or something :P |
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| 22:47.13 | shingouz | paulswm: i was thinking i should do a chroot install on a computer for the hell of it. |
| 22:47.29 | darxeth | intension i fixed it!! |
| 22:47.32 | Coffee | person: does BitchX support proxy? |
| 22:47.37 | darxeth | intension ok thanks for your help mate |
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| 22:47.49 | intension | darxeth yes ok |
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| 22:48.08 | person | no idea |
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| 22:48.22 | chrysopa | HI |
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| 22:48.39 | paulswm | shingouz: I came *this* close to installing FreeBSD on a box today. |
| 22:48.56 | intension | darxeth just remember to format that disk later on |
| 22:49.00 | chrysopa | I have a list of directories, how I make to select one of these randomly in shell? |
| 22:49.21 | chrysopa | I can get the name of one directory |
| 22:49.25 | shingouz | paulswm: eeek! and i came this -> <-- close to ripping out the lifters on my subaru today, the damn things clatter again |
| 22:49.58 | Nebulous | hmm,g reat, now I find out PL/SQL isn't installed and I can't figure out which package it is |
| 22:50.04 | sussudio | !be freebsd barbie |
| 22:50.04 | dpkg | CVS is HARD! |
| 22:50.10 | kittonian | got a strange question regarding bind9. I have it setup so that there are two zones (internal and external). Internal has all the internal private ip addresses accessible from within the LAN and External has all the public ip addresses accessible from outside the LAN. I need to provide temporary support for a client's domain name he is hosting himself while his name server propagate. So, he is using his own public IP address. Do I |
| 22:50.10 | kittonian | create both an internal and an external zone as well as a reverse lookup file for his public ip address/domain? |
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| 22:51.57 | paulswm | chrysopa: in bash, read the directory names into an array, generate a random number to select one. See man bash, and /RANDOM |
| 22:52.21 | intension | hehe it is gone |
| 22:52.38 | paulswm | :( |
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| 22:52.52 | paulswm | Fuck 'im then |
| 22:53.08 | intension | random displaying of directories , how usefull btw |
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| 22:53.40 | paulswm | intension: Indeed. Just the thing to use with rm -fr |
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| 22:54.30 | aiw | is there a way to automate backing up mysql databases to email? |
| 22:55.16 | paulswm | !qotd119 |
| 22:55.16 | dpkg | [qotd119] <john6000> directhex|work you can get lost you loser <john6000> calling me thinck |
| 22:55.23 | FieldySnuts | ask #myslq or wherever their channel is perhaps, that's a pretty specific question |
| 22:55.49 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 22:55.55 | aiw | ok, i thought there may be a debian package i had not heard of, thanks |
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| 22:58.00 | dhuv | currently my wireless extensions are compiled with version 16, how do I get version 18? |
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| 22:58.40 | intension | dhuv you could start by making sense |
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| 22:59.13 | dhuv | intension: :) |
| 22:59.19 | dhuv | i am trying to use iwspy |
| 22:59.53 | dhuv | and its complaining that the driver is compiled with ver 16 wireless extension |
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| 22:59.58 | dhuv | and it needs version 18 |
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| 23:00.13 | dhuv | currently I have kernel 2.6.8 installed |
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| 23:00.30 | dhuv | I believe that the wireless extensions are a part of the kernel, is this correct? |
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| 23:01.54 | Pozican | is there an apt-get package for JRE? |
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| 23:03.05 | thomas_adam | Pozican: /msg dpkg java |
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| 23:03.46 | Pozican | wow, thanks |
| 23:03.55 | m_ | My cupsys daemon isn't working correctly (at all!) I don't know what's going on. Right after install everything can connect to the server, but after I installed my printer (SMB network) nothing can connect anymore. |
| 23:04.11 | m_ | error log just says cupsys backend couldn't be contacted for 30 seconds |
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| 23:05.10 | ugly | m_: well, the obligatory question: does 'ps ax' show that cupsys is running? |
| 23:05.17 | ugly | er, cupsd |
| 23:05.18 | m_ | yesir |
| 23:05.32 | m_ | cupsd -F and a bunch of epson backends, not sure what they are their for |
| 23:05.33 | m_ | no epson printers |
| 23:05.41 | ugly | m_: what about the administration tab of the CUPSYS web frontend? |
| 23:05.51 | ugly | m_: do you see your printer listed there and in working order? |
| 23:05.52 | m_ | there's a web frontend? |
| 23:05.59 | ugly | m_: http://localhost:631 |
| 23:06.00 | m_ | I see it in /etc/cups/printer.conf |
| 23:06.10 | ugly | it's turned on by default |
| 23:06.11 | m_ | can't connect to that address. |
| 23:06.42 | m_ | The only semi-error message I get is:LoadDevices: Backend did not respond within 30 seconds! |
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| 23:08.30 | m_ | Thoguht it was my printers.conf file, by I tried reverting to no printers and it still won't connect. :-/ I've done an apt-get --purge remove cupsys once, and it worked after reinstall (for about 60 seconds) |
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| 23:11.02 | aiw | i have a sell script i want to run daily, what is the correct way to do that in debian? |
| 23:11.08 | Pozican | cron? |
| 23:11.33 | ugly | m_: grep ^Port /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 23:11.57 | ugly | trying to figure out why the webserver isn't running heh |
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| 23:13.08 | ugly | aiw: 'crontab -e' -> enter: @daily path/to/script |
| 23:13.35 | ugly | enter the crontab command as whatever user you want the script to be run as |
| 23:13.54 | ugly | i.e. as root, enter 'crontab -e' if you want to script to run as root |
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| 23:14.14 | pder | debian are good |
| 23:14.23 | ugly | you is bad |
| 23:14.38 | pder | ugly you is |
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| 23:15.39 | ugly | drunk or just stupid? :) |
| 23:15.50 | None | I'be just installed Debian for the amd64 platform on my pc, works just fine, one question, I need the kernel source for my kernel to install the nvidia drivers, however the kernel source wasn't installed during setup and I need the running kernel's source, kernel in question is 2.6.8-11, any ideas on how to obtain it? |
| 23:16.04 | pder | debian supports keyboard |
| 23:16.23 | ugly | None: apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6 |
| 23:16.33 | Teufel | I just installed debian and the xserver on my comp, but whenever I try to startx I get some errors including: xf860penSerial : cannont open device /dev/input/mice no such device and a lot of other mice errors... even though the mouse is in properly and stuff |
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| 23:16.40 | ugly | None: or use the unpatched kernel source tarballs from kernel.org |
| 23:16.54 | aiw | thanaks ugly |
| 23:17.11 | trave11er | None: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 23:17.38 | Thana1-Zzzz | any developer of X-manager-daemon's please ? |
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| 23:18.04 | trave11er | ugly: you don't need full kernel source to build nvidia drivers |
| 23:18.25 | None | Thanks ugly and traveller |
| 23:18.35 | intension | Thana1-Zzzz whats up |
| 23:18.35 | Thana1-Zzzz | I have created a X-manager, in my "postinst" I have included "update-rc.d entrance defaults 99 01", this replaces another X-login-managers ? |
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| 23:19.15 | m_ | Port 631 |
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| 23:20.36 | m_ | reboot time |
| 23:20.38 | intension | m_ ok , when does it arrive ? |
| 23:20.40 | Ungy_ | ok I am doing somethign wrong here and I can't remeber what "scp ./404.php //1.1.1.1/" |
| 23:20.43 | m_ | :-P |
| 23:21.05 | Ethaniel | !list |
| 23:21.05 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 23:21.09 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 23:21.37 | tcsetattr | //1.1.1.1/ is a funny looking directory. |
| 23:21.39 | intension | Ungy_ haha |
| 23:21.39 | Ungy_ | this is error I am getting cp: cannot create regular file `//1.11.1/404.php': No such file or directory |
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| 23:22.09 | Kbyte | ugly: you forgot a ';' |
| 23:22.11 | intension | Ungy_ really ? |
| 23:22.14 | Ungy_ | iontension been a long day and my brain has expelled mass quantities of gas |
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| 23:22.38 | tcsetattr | and the 2 slashes... mean the same thing as one slash. |
| 23:22.47 | tcsetattr | did you by chance confuse scp with some sort of Samba-derived flith? |
| 23:22.50 | Zarox | anyone know how to kill an app ? |
| 23:22.56 | Thana1-Zzzz | I have created a package of a X-login-manager, in my "postinst" I have included "update-rc.d entrance defaults 99 01", this replaces another X-login-managers ? |
| 23:23.06 | Zarox | or list em ? |
| 23:23.10 | Ungy_ | tcsetattr been workgin with windows recently |
| 23:23.14 | icyfire0573 | Zarox: ps aux |
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| 23:23.42 | tcsetattr | well, scp is not smbclient... it is a proper unix program that takes proper unix pathnames. |
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| 23:24.03 | Zarox | thx icyfire0573 |
| 23:24.23 | Ungy_ | I really wish they would just put examples in man pages |
| 23:24.50 | caphuso | [[user@]host1:]file1 [...] [[user@]host2:]file2 |
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| 23:25.07 | audian | o.O... what version is kde at? |
| 23:25.11 | audian | 3.4 right? |
| 23:25.15 | spdf | audian, Yah |
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| 23:25.29 | audian | spdf, then why do I have 3.3 and apt-get wont update to 3.4? |
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| 23:25.50 | spdf | audian, Its in Sid. |
| 23:25.59 | Ungy_ | caphuso that never makes any sense to me I dunno what parts of those I need to put in and which ones I need to omit |
| 23:26.02 | m_ | Yea so rebooting fixed my printer problem. I noticed some weirdness with modprobe commands linguring about |
| 23:26.05 | spdf | audian, 3.3 in Sarge/Etch |
| 23:26.09 | audian | spdf, how do I get it on sarge? |
| 23:26.31 | m_ | I have a weird problem where my debian loads ehci and uhci drivers at the same time which makes everything go to hell |
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| 23:26.34 | s3ckz13 | 81 |
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| 23:26.39 | m_ | but lspci shows a uchi and echi driver |
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| 23:26.47 | Ungy_ | aha figured it out I am an idiot |
| 23:26.56 | m_ | uhh card at least, so who knows, not me |
| 23:27.05 | spdf | audian, It'll never be in Sarge, you could go to Etch and wait for it, compile it yourself, or go to Sid (bad idea) |
| 23:27.08 | caphuso | Ungy_: things in [ ] aren't strictly necessary. |
| 23:27.22 | caphuso | that's all you need to know |
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| 23:27.34 | Ungy_ | I am in hell I came home to two cats in heat |
| 23:27.45 | spdf | Ungy_, Haha. That sucks :) |
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| 23:27.59 | rend | what do you call those cards that keep giving you new passwords? |
| 23:28.07 | audian | spdf, why would going to sid be a bad idea? |
| 23:28.16 | icyfire0573 | rend: smartcards? |
| 23:28.29 | spdf | audian, Unless you know what you're doing of course |
| 23:28.39 | rend | icyfire0573: nahh, I think it is something else. |
| 23:28.43 | audian | spdf, i dont lol so i see your point >.> |
| 23:28.58 | spdf | rend, The calculator looking things that you put in your password, and it outputs a one time use password? |
| 23:29.27 | rend | well, maybe they are called smartcards.. I ws thinking smartcards were the old definition of credit cards with a microchip.. |
| 23:29.31 | rend | spdf: yep |
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| 23:29.50 | spdf | rend, I think they call those smart cards too.. |
| 23:29.59 | rend | how much do they cost? |
| 23:30.02 | glick | excuse me whats a way to use sed to remove all white space? |
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| 23:30.11 | glick | in a line |
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| 23:30.18 | spdf | rend, I would imagine it would cost much more for one, than it would for a thousand.. |
| 23:30.20 | glick | i thought s/\s+//g |
| 23:31.06 | rend | spdf: well, I'm thinking of selling them to thousands of users, if they want one. |
| 23:31.17 | glick | can bash do regular expressions? |
| 23:31.24 | glick | or is there some utility |
| 23:31.32 | rend | but right now I'm having trouble finding information on the cards.. |
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| 23:31.45 | caphuso | glick: no, it can't. yes, there are dozens of tools |
| 23:32.02 | glick | caphuso, what is a tool i could use? |
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| 23:32.13 | glick | something that can perhaps do perl like regex |
| 23:32.27 | caphuso | glick: perl |
| 23:32.35 | glick | besides perl |
| 23:32.36 | caphuso | now that was easy... |
| 23:33.14 | rend | hmm, this is also called two-factor authentication |
| 23:33.45 | spdf | rend, I think another name is SecureID, or something similar |
| 23:33.45 | glick | anything other then perl available? |
| 23:34.02 | rend | t-fa also |
| 23:34.02 | tcsetattr | you ask for "perl like regex", obviously perl is the best answer |
| 23:34.12 | caphuso | the only, actually |
| 23:34.12 | rend | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-factor_authentication |
| 23:34.24 | tcsetattr | sed is a fine tool, but it's not perl. If you don't want to bother to learn the difference between standard regex and perl regex, you'll have to stick with using perl |
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| 23:34.46 | rend | secureid is what rsa calls it. |
| 23:34.49 | rend | thanks for the pointers :) |
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| 23:35.16 | ColonelKernel | i did the making kernels the debian way, but it still didnt give me an initrd when I installed it - and I have the do_initrd line set to yes - please help |
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| 23:35.44 | spdf | ColonelKernel, make-kpkg with the --initrd flag? |
| 23:36.00 | ultraviolet16 | hello everyone.. I'de like to ask a simple question that I just can't seem to understand from the man page.. I want to sort the ps command by the process taking up the most system memory |
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| 23:36.10 | ultraviolet16 | I got to ps --sort so far but not sure what to type next |
| 23:36.13 | spdf | rend, Last time I saw one was 5 years ago when my big bro worked at IBM.. Coolest thing I'd ever seen |
| 23:36.50 | rend | spdf: I'm starting a auction type site... I think it would be cool to sell them to users for $5 :) |
| 23:37.02 | Thana1-Zzzz | how to change the "x-login-manager" ? dpkg-reconfigre ? |
| 23:37.38 | rend | having trouble finding pricing info... |
| 23:37.47 | ColonelKernel | spdf no, I must have missed that - sorry |
| 23:39.24 | thomas_adam | Thana1-Zzzz: dpkg-reconfigure <your_display_manager> |
| 23:39.32 | rend | ouch, one school charges $30/year for a card. |
| 23:39.45 | thomas_adam | Thana1-Zzzz: Or change /etc/X11/default-display-manager, by hand. |
| 23:39.47 | spdf | rend, I imagine that's card price + support + mark up.. |
| 23:40.06 | rend | right, they probably mark it up otherwise students would lose the cards all the damn time :) |
| 23:41.05 | spdf | rend, My old dorm used to charge $20 everytime you lost the swipe key to your apartment. They made more then $200 off of me :) |
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| 23:41.40 | ColonelKernel | alrighty thanks for the help |
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| 23:42.04 | rend | well I know swipe keys cost nowhere near that much :) |
| 23:42.10 | Thana1-Zzzz | thomas_adam, Im creating a package for a x-login-manager... how to add this by default in the system ? I have included "update-rc loginmanager 99 01" |
| 23:42.14 | spdf | rend, I work in a hotel now, and the swipe cards we use are $.05 a piece. Very profitable business they've got going.. |
| 23:42.31 | rend | looks like rsa has some web express thing fore SecurID.. |
| 23:42.39 | thomas_adam | Thana1-Zzzz: Eh? |
| 23:42.46 | glick | in this line im trying to match only the ip address |
| 23:42.46 | thomas_adam | Thana1-Zzzz: Why? |
| 23:42.48 | glick | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.06 | thomas_adam | glick: Do we get any context with that? |
| 23:43.16 | rend | spdf: if you were to guess, how much do you think the smartcards would cost each? |
| 23:43.23 | Thana1-Zzzz | Im creating a package for a x-window-manager, I need to prepair the conf files for the package for works in "default" mode |
| 23:43.24 | glick | thomas_adam, i just want to isolate the ip address in that line |
| 23:43.35 | glick | so i can save it to a file, print it, whatever |
| 23:43.35 | cthulfuego | glick: http://www.cc.com.au/ip.php - no parsing required. |
| 23:43.39 | thomas_adam | glick: To do what? Using what? |
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| 23:43.55 | Thana1-Zzzz | thomas_adam, why call /etc/X11/default-login-manager ? |
| 23:44.06 | spdf | rend, Hard to say |
| 23:44.13 | rend | wtf |
| 23:44.19 | rend | RSA ClearTrust User Licence per user for quantities between 250,001-500,000 1 user - $32,200 |
| 23:44.22 | thomas_adam | Thana1-Zzzz: What *are* *you* *trying* to do -- and more importantly _why_? |
| 23:44.32 | spdf | rend, You could call/email RSA and they could put you in the right direction. If they don't sell it, they likely have a subsidiary that does.. |
| 23:44.34 | glick | thomas_adam, so i can update my ip via zone-edit |
| 23:44.46 | thomas_adam | glick: Can't you use ifconfig's output? |
| 23:44.48 | cthulfuego | glick: Use the url I pasted. |
| 23:44.58 | cthulfuego | thomas_adam: Probably NAT |
| 23:45.04 | rend | spdf: looks like it could be really expensive. |
| 23:45.08 | spdf | rend, $32,200 gets you 250,000+ cards? |
| 23:45.14 | thomas_adam | cthulfuego: Don't be so sure... |
| 23:45.29 | rend | spdf: i think thats just the software license |
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| 23:45.56 | Thana1-Zzzz | thomas_adam, Im packaged the "entrance" login manager, I like to include this in the rc-scripts of init for launch automatically in the boot of the system and replaces the another x-login-managers |
| 23:45.58 | cthulfuego | thomas_adam: That's the only reason (with a small NAT appliance) I can think of for needing it (like me, which is why I wrote that php script) |
| 23:46.07 | rend | spdf: looks like aol offers it.. one-time fee of $9.95 and then $1.95-$4.95 per month extra |
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| 23:46.30 | rend | so if you only use it for one screen name... $1.95/month and $9.95/setup |
| 23:46.30 | ColonelKernel | where can I specify options for my modules when they load? |
| 23:46.38 | thomas_adam | Thana1-Zzzz: That goes against the grain of debian policy -- see the 'alternatives' system. |
| 23:46.55 | thomas_adam | ColonelKernel: man update-modules |
| 23:47.07 | X-Rob | anyone clue me up on what the 'kernel-source' package is called on ubuntu? |
| 23:47.14 | thomas_adam | X-Rob: Ask #ubuntu. |
| 23:47.15 | ColonelKernel | thomas_adam, update-modules is an obsolete command. |
| 23:47.31 | FieldySnuts | !they don't know |
| 23:47.32 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 23:47.39 | FieldySnuts | preemptive. |
| 23:47.43 | X-Rob | Heh |
| 23:47.45 | glick | yeah im NATed |
| 23:47.46 | spdf | Ooo. Molestation. |
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| 23:48.06 | ultraviolet16 | how to sort ps aux by %mem? |
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| 23:48.11 | thomas_adam | ultraviolet16: man ps |
| 23:48.18 | Thana1-Zzzz | ok |
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| 23:48.25 | ultraviolet16 | i did, i can't fully get the --sort option |
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| 23:48.49 | ColonelKernel | where can I specify options for my modules when they load? |
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| 23:49.07 | ColonelKernel | Im trying to turn on fastwrites for my nvidia module |
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| 23:49.39 | ac | somebody know how to make use power button to shutdow computer with ATX PS? |
| 23:49.52 | m_ | ColonelKernel, I think you put it in /etc/modutils |
| 23:50.01 | thomas_adam | ac: ACPI? |
| 23:50.17 | m_ | make a file called nvidia and update-modules |
| 23:50.36 | ColonelKernel | crack |
| 23:50.49 | ac | thomas_adam: I am not sure since I google then found that should patch to kernel code |
| 23:50.53 | ColonelKernel | it doesnt go under arch or anything? |
| 23:50.54 | Thana1-Zzzz | thomas_adam, F Alternative versions of an interface - update-alternatives (from old Packaging Manual) ? |
| 23:51.01 | thomas_adam | ac: No, I meant you should try ACPI. |
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| 23:51.15 | thomas_adam | Thana1-Zzzz: Read the debian-maintainers guide. |
| 23:51.38 | spdf | ac, I believe there's a module "button" |
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| 23:52.07 | audian | spdf, is there any way to get kde 3.4 with apt-get? no right? |
| 23:52.19 | spdf | ac, You may be able to find a repository for it.. |
| 23:52.20 | Blissex | audian: it is a FAQ... |
| 23:52.32 | ac | thomas_adam: but how I try ACPI |
| 23:52.51 | spdf | ac, One second. I'm looking into it for you.. |
| 23:52.52 | thomas_adam | ac: Oh, god. |
| 23:53.03 | Blissex | audian: ' /j #debian-kde' and read the topic thereof |
| 23:53.05 | thomas_adam | ac: What kernel are you using? |
| 23:53.16 | ac | umh, 2.6.8 |
| 23:53.35 | spdf | ac, Look at the package acpid |
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| 23:55.00 | spdf | ac, That package has all the stuff you need, and even comes preconfigured for power button shutdown.. |
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| 23:55.21 | ac | spdf: oh, really? |
| 23:55.26 | spdf | ac, Oh. Really. |
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| 23:56.05 | ac | :) |
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| 23:56.24 | ac | spdf: thanks |
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| 23:56.59 | rend | anyone else have family members who are idiots? :) |
| 23:57.11 | drraid | I am an idiot, does that count? |
| 23:57.18 | rend | nope |
| 23:57.21 | drraid | :/ |
| 23:57.22 | bernouli | how can i disable MTA, so that it wont start at boot? it takes very long on "starting: MTA" |
| 23:57.25 | hikenboot_ | Is there a doc on setting up xwindows on a sun sparc station running debian? |
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| 23:57.48 | rend | so how bad is this.. I have had better irc conversations than with family members. |
| 23:57.57 | drraid | wow |
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| 23:58.36 | drraid | bernouli: the files that start the mta at boot are in /etc/rc1.d/ through /etc/rc5.d/ |
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| 23:58.45 | rend | I was trying to talk to my brother about SecurID and turns out I got much better input in this place... |
| 23:58.46 | spdf | ac, I just tested it, and it works. |
| 23:59.07 | sihkzz | Do you think the conversations would be better with your family if they were over IRC? |
| 23:59.23 | ac | spdf: thanks, I will test on my deb box |
| 23:59.23 | rend | sihkzz: nope |
| 23:59.26 | prplstarlette | i have a question...how can i check which version of KDE i'm running |
| 23:59.30 | bernouli | drraid, and how can i set it, so that it wont boot at start up? |
| 23:59.31 | ColonelKernel | im trying to set up AGPFW on my nvidia card - how do I set this option for the module? |
| 23:59.52 | glick | is there a dyndns client that doesnt need perl or java or python? |
| 23:59.55 | glick | just C? |
| 23:59.58 | spdf | ColonelKernel, How is the module loaded? (modules.conf?) |
