| 00:00.10 | glick | i man its just a compiled binary |
| 00:00.43 | ColonelKernel | spdf, I really have no idea - i cant find it in the modules config files - I think it's ust called from XF86config-4 |
| 00:00.52 | Coffee | shingouz: i enabled my soundcard with isapnp but something more needed... what should i do after this ? |
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| 00:00.53 | drraid | bernouli, i don't know the appropriate method for doing it to be honest. |
| 00:01.29 | shingouz | Coffee: what happens? does lsmod show the appropriate modules in the kernel? |
| 00:01.29 | drraid | bernouli, the cheap-and-dirty method would be to remove /etc/rc*d/S20exim4, however these files are replaced whenever the mta is updated by apt-get |
| 00:01.59 | drraid | im the last person who should be giving any advice in here |
| 00:02.00 | drraid | :/ |
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| 00:02.22 | drraid | anyone good with exim4 on debian? |
| 00:02.25 | glick | do i even need dynamic dns with cable modem? |
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| 00:02.35 | darxeth | how can i get information about the status of my computer? i.e memory, free space... |
| 00:02.42 | akbg | Hi |
| 00:02.42 | Coffee | shingouz: should it be opl3-sa2? if so - it's not there :( |
| 00:02.45 | darxeth | in the console, of course. |
| 00:02.50 | drraid | darxeth, try 'top' |
| 00:02.53 | sihkzz | glick: Have you checked your modems web interface for DynDNS support built in? |
| 00:03.00 | shingouz | Coffee: you planning on running alsa? |
| 00:03.05 | akbg | could not open default font 'fixed'; |
| 00:03.10 | akbg | what I can do for this? |
| 00:03.18 | bernouli | drraid, there is no S20exim4, i have K20 |
| 00:03.20 | Coffee | shingouz: should i ? |
| 00:03.22 | akbg | I have already apt-get install --reinstall xfonts-base |
| 00:03.25 | bernouli | what is the difference? |
| 00:03.26 | glick | sihkzz, yeah but i think it updates on timed cycle so i gets black listed quickly |
| 00:03.28 | spdf | ColonelKernel, I believe under the Device section for the card in the x config file, you put ... Option "AgpFastWrite" "1" |
| 00:03.38 | shingouz | glick: you need dyndns if oyu want to run a server on your box, that is because you have a changing ip |
| 00:03.48 | ColonelKernel | spdf, thank you |
| 00:03.54 | drraid | bernouli, i fear my answers will be incorrect |
| 00:03.55 | shingouz | Coffee: yes, i think so. all alsa modules are snd-sometihng |
| 00:03.57 | spdf | ColonelKernel, thank me if it works ;) |
| 00:04.03 | spdf | ColonelKernel, "1" or "TRUE" |
| 00:04.15 | drraid | bernouli, i believe the difference in /etc/rc*d files in S and K is that S is startup, and K is shutdown, however i could be very wrong |
| 00:04.17 | spdf | ColonelKernel, They both equate to the same thing if I'm not mistaken.. |
| 00:04.24 | sihkzz | glick: Well, you shouldn't need to update often, why not just set it for quite a long duration? |
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| 00:04.52 | ColonelKernel | ok thanks brb |
| 00:04.54 | shingouz | Coffee: check with lsmod that you have absolutely no sound modules in the kernel, take them out of /etc/modules to make sure they are not loaded at boot time. after that run alsaconf |
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| 00:05.23 | glick | sihkzz, yah but then its a pain to fix if the ip does change |
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| 00:05.42 | audian | ooo.... thats cool... |
| 00:05.47 | Coffee | shingouz: well i can't run alsaconf cause i removed it accidently O_O |
| 00:05.47 | sihkzz | glick: The first thing I would do is get in touch with my ISP and find out if my IP is static, and if not, if I could make it static |
| 00:05.52 | shingouz | glick: not really, the dyndns client takes care of it |
| 00:05.56 | audian | found out how to get kde 3.4 with apt-get in sarge |
| 00:06.00 | Coffee | shingouz: i'll restore it from live cd |
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| 00:06.08 | samuel | hello all |
| 00:06.16 | shingouz | Coffee: huh? wtf you doing now? |
| 00:06.23 | glick | shingouz, im talking about if i dont use a dyndns client just set it up what my ip address is now in zoneedit |
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| 00:06.40 | Coffee | shingouz: i'm going to reboot :S |
| 00:06.41 | shingouz | Coffee: restore from a live cd? what distro you run there? |
| 00:06.50 | Coffee | shingouz: knoppix |
| 00:06.50 | samuel | can someone plz tell me the name of that program that can make dummy programs to satisfy dependencies? |
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| 00:07.00 | drraid | why arent the people in #exim as talkative |
| 00:07.01 | drraid | baaah |
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| 00:07.07 | samuel | dummy packages i mean, sorry |
| 00:07.21 | shingouz | glick: if you do not run a dyndns client you are about screwed if you like to have a domain pointing at your changeable ip |
| 00:07.21 | cthulfuego | drraid: They're too busy trying to make exim not suck. (have been for years, still failed) |
| 00:07.31 | samuel | drraid, they are delivering... neither rain nor ..... |
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| 00:07.40 | Coffee | shingouz: sorry for troubles see u soon |
| 00:07.41 | cthulfuego | drraid: In the mean time, postfix is nice. |
| 00:07.43 | glick | can these dyndns clients get your external ip if you are NATed? |
| 00:07.50 | cthulfuego | glick: yes |
| 00:07.55 | drraid | how quick is postfix to setup[? |
| 00:08.05 | cthulfuego | drraid: Depends on the setup. |
| 00:08.09 | shingouz | Coffee: you run knoppix and you want #debian to comfigure it for you? shame on you, off to #knoppix with you, no wonder the stuff we told you didn't work |
| 00:08.12 | cthulfuego | drraid: From 2 minutes to 2 days. |
| 00:08.18 | glick | cthulfuego, what client do you recommend? id prefer not to have to run perl on my server |
| 00:08.18 | shingouz | ffs... |
| 00:08.31 | drraid | cthulfuego: no spam protection, single domain? |
| 00:08.36 | cthulfuego | glick: I used to run 'ddclient' |
| 00:08.42 | cthulfuego | drraid: 2 mins |
| 00:09.00 | cthulfuego | drraid: .. shell account = mail account? |
| 00:09.05 | drraid | indeed |
| 00:09.05 | shingouz | glick: i run a dyndns account and ddclient here. works well |
| 00:09.09 | eXoDuS | hey anoyone uses seahorse for gpg keys? I can't sign keys, it throw a 'general error', doing it from the shell works fine |
| 00:09.19 | cthulfuego | drraid: yeah, trivial. just apt-get install it and leave it at that. |
| 00:09.24 | drraid | r0fl |
| 00:09.32 | drraid | ill remove exim then |
| 00:09.32 | drraid | heh |
| 00:09.44 | cthulfuego | drraid: apt-get install postfix exim4- |
| 00:10.29 | drraid | cthulfuego, is it that much harder to make accounts with postfix that are not also shell users? |
| 00:10.29 | glick | just apt-get install ddclient? |
| 00:11.11 | sihkzz | glick: Do you even know if your IP changes or not? |
| 00:11.16 | cthulfuego | drraid: You need a suitable backend, which requires a bit of work for integration (it's still not hard, but many people are intentionally dyslexic) |
| 00:11.21 | glick | sihkzz, i guess it does once in a while |
| 00:11.41 | sihkzz | glick: Well, ddclient is going to be your solution then. Good luck |
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| 00:11.54 | ColonelKernel | spdf, that didnt work |
| 00:12.19 | drraid | cthulfuego, as a 'cheap-n-dirty' solution, i could give those users which i didnt want to have shell access nologin shells, correct? |
| 00:12.27 | cthulfuego | drraid: indeed |
| 00:12.52 | cthulfuego | drraid: For a big-n-pretty, try http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 00:13.24 | drraid | ahh alright |
| 00:13.27 | cthulfuego | drraid: (That's the kind of setup I run, except mine also handled domain and user administration by the domain owner) |
| 00:13.31 | drraid | i shouldnt need it now, but in the near future i may |
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| 00:14.05 | glick | how do i make ddclient work behind a NAT? |
| 00:14.11 | glick | or does it automatically work correctly? |
| 00:14.16 | cthulfuego | drraid: it has some anti spam/virus info which may apply now anyway. |
| 00:14.32 | cthulfuego | glick: /usr/share/doc/ddclient |
| 00:14.49 | drraid | cthulfuego: ahh nice. thanks |
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| 00:15.57 | drraid | I just setup postfix with the debconf configuration |
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| 00:16.16 | cthulfuego | drraid: yep |
| 00:16.32 | drraid | alerting it of the domain to accept mail for, however i just recieved 553 sorry, relaying denied from your location upon testing |
| 00:16.44 | cthulfuego | drraid: Good :-) |
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| 00:16.53 | ColonelKernel | I am trying to figure out how to set the AGPFW option for the nvidia module when it loads. Can anyone please help me? |
| 00:17.02 | cthulfuego | drraid: Edit /etc/postfix/main.cf and add the LAN address to mynetworks |
| 00:17.14 | cthulfuego | drraid: It's probably set to 127.0.0.0/8 |
| 00:17.19 | gba | is anyone here who can explain me why festival is speaking too fast on my system? |
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| 00:17.32 | cthulfuego | gba: It's eaten speed |
| 00:17.40 | drraid | cthulfuego, but this was mailing from gmail.. that is affected by which hosts its allowed to relay for? |
| 00:17.54 | cthulfuego | drraid: *incoming* from gmail? |
| 00:18.06 | gba | cthulhu: what do you mean? |
| 00:18.06 | cthulfuego | drraid: Did you tell postfix to accept mail for that domain? |
| 00:18.10 | drraid | yes |
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| 00:18.22 | cthulfuego | gba: it's on drugs |
| 00:18.38 | drraid | cthulfuego: mydestination = datatactic.com, localhost, localhost.localdomain, localhost |
| 00:18.54 | drraid | however if i mail to drraid@gmail.com, i get the relay error |
| 00:18.58 | drraid | err im sorry |
| 00:19.04 | drraid | drraid@datatactic.com from gmail |
| 00:19.20 | gba | IÄH, IÄH,Cthulhu: now honestly, please, how can I speed down that thing? |
| 00:19.32 | spdf | drraid, mydestination has nothing to do with sending mail.. |
| 00:19.50 | cthulfuego | drraid: Can you restart postfix, to be sure? |
| 00:19.54 | drraid | spdf, correct. only for recieving right? I am mailing to the postfix box from my gmail account |
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| 00:20.12 | drraid | cthulfuego, certainly. is there a front end i should run to do so or just -HUP it |
| 00:20.20 | spdf | drraid, Oh, I didn't see the ".. from gmail" part.. |
| 00:20.25 | cthulfuego | drraid: Are you playing with postfix on 'smtp.secureserver.net' ? |
| 00:20.35 | spdf | drraid, postfix reload |
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| 00:20.46 | drraid | reloaded.. testing again |
| 00:20.57 | cthulfuego | drraid: /msg me the IP address for the smtp server. |
| 00:21.08 | glick | so just add this to my ddconf file? |
| 00:21.08 | eXoDuS | so, anyone uses seahorse for their gpg daily usage? |
| 00:21.09 | glick | use=web, web=checkip.dyndns.org/, fw-skip='IP Address' # found after IP Address |
| 00:21.40 | rr72 | what are recomendations for a webcam server |
| 00:22.13 | rr72 | *streamer |
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| 00:22.39 | cthulfuego | drraid: Okay, your postfix is fine. |
| 00:23.02 | cthulfuego | drraid: The mail from gmail.com is NOT sent to you, but to ANOTHER sderver altogether (host -t MX datatactic.com) |
| 00:23.10 | Virtual | is there any way to change the time grub is taking before auto selecting the highlighted boot option, like from 5 seconds to 60 seconds? |
| 00:24.01 | intension | Virtual yes |
| 00:24.14 | cthulfuego | drraid: Check your mail (and mail log) |
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| 00:25.01 | Virtual | intension how? |
| 00:25.14 | cthulfuego | drraid: See how I could mail you on that server but not relay from me to gmail? |
| 00:25.30 | drraid | where does postfix put the mail? |
| 00:25.39 | intension | Virtual change the number in your config from like 5 to say 60 |
| 00:25.41 | drraid | in a spool directory? |
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| 00:26.02 | cthulfuego | drraid: /var/mail/user |
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| 00:26.16 | cthulfuego | drraid: just run 'mutt' and it should pick it up. |
| 00:26.18 | bigbill52a | emachines are so junky..... |
| 00:26.25 | rr72 | agree |
| 00:26.25 | drraid | ah yes |
| 00:26.36 | jim | :P build your own |
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| 00:26.51 | jim | but... good to know |
| 00:26.54 | bigbill52a | i work on other peoples computers....i do build my own... |
| 00:27.19 | intension | bigbill52a you lucky bastard |
| 00:28.00 | bigbill52a | power supplies on dells fail within 2 months of warranties expiring... |
| 00:28.23 | cthulfuego | That's coz they use shit components (hence the price) |
| 00:28.28 | FieldySnuts | generally if you don't build it yourself, forget it |
| 00:28.30 | bigbill52a | you too can start your own business..just advertize in the local shopper..if you live in a big enough city.... |
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| 00:28.41 | abrotman | or unless you pay more than 10k :) |
| 00:29.05 | bigbill52a | and you are a geek...lol...killed another bunny |
| 00:29.41 | cthulfuego | If you're going to pay $10K you're better off buying your own components that just won't break down for 5 years and spending the rest getting hammered in a pub |
| 00:29.54 | abrotman | cthulfuego: i didn't mean x86 |
| 00:30.13 | cthulfuego | abrotman: And why not? SPARC sucks! |
| 00:30.15 | bigbill52a | windows is so pathetic..use linux rescue cd to transfer windows to hard drive from external hard drive.... |
| 00:30.24 | abrotman | cthulfuego: MIPS! |
| 00:30.35 | FieldySnuts | bigbill52a: it's not a serious tool, just a toy |
| 00:30.44 | cthulfuego | abrotman: My 486 can emulate a MIPS faster then it can run natyively. |
| 00:30.55 | abrotman | cthulfuego: not true! |
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| 00:31.07 | cthulfuego | bigbill52a: s/external harddrive/nfs server/ |
| 00:31.11 | bigbill52a | but a very excellent toy...system rescue cd...transfer both ways |
| 00:31.20 | FieldySnuts | i meant windows, but ok |
| 00:31.21 | drraid | cthulfuego has a nice philosophy on money |
| 00:31.24 | rr72 | hello i have a question all: what are some recomendations for a webcam streamer? |
| 00:31.36 | cthulfuego | drraid: The drinking bit? yes, I'm a big fan. |
| 00:31.45 | spdf | cthulfuego, I like your thinking! |
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| 00:32.11 | bigbill52a | cp whatthefu* -R -d --force --backup -v /mnt/c/ |
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| 00:32.21 | davem | rr72: What do you mean? |
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| 00:32.56 | rr72 | to stream a webcam |
| 00:33.04 | cthulfuego | bigbill52a: 'cp -a foo /bar' is less typing |
| 00:33.29 | bigbill52a | i am serious about starting your own business...i make enough to pay my bills and rent...and get to do what i like |
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| 00:33.44 | abrotman | bigbill52a: aren't you fixing a windows box ? |
| 00:33.48 | davem | rr72: throw it in a river, lol try camserv |
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| 00:33.57 | trave11er | the one who helps rr72 to set up the webcam gets to watch it for free for the first 3 days |
| 00:34.05 | spdf | rr72, Do you want 30 frames a second, or updates once in awhile? |
| 00:34.21 | rr72 | 30 fps |
| 00:34.21 | bigbill52a | just been in business for a year...yes..fix mostly windows...virus infected..spyware infected..corrupted operating systems |
| 00:34.27 | rr72 | it wont be on all the time |
| 00:34.34 | bigbill52a | 80% of my work... |
| 00:34.42 | abrotman | bigbill52a: and this is "what you want to do" ? |
| 00:34.45 | rr72 | plus it wont work out of my intranet |
| 00:35.10 | bigbill52a | yeah..it beats working in a convenience store..i pickup and deliver... |
| 00:35.37 | bigbill52a | all u have to do is look inteligent...lol |
| 00:35.40 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:35.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:35.45 | trave11er | rr72: http://bash.org/?16564 :-) |
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| 00:35.55 | rr72 | no |
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| 00:35.58 | rr72 | ur an ass |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | !tell rr72 about ur |
| 00:36.11 | rr72 | i don't want gai porn |
| 00:36.21 | abrotman | !tell rr72 about gay |
| 00:36.22 | bigbill52a | my feet are giving out ...so can stand only so long |
| 00:36.25 | trave11er | rr72: sorry, i didn't mean to offend |
| 00:36.33 | trave11er | rr72: and the url is perfectly harmless |
| 00:36.51 | rr72 | not u |
| 00:36.54 | rr72 | dpkg~ |
| 00:36.56 | trave11er | :-) |
| 00:37.05 | jim | rr72: then don't abbreviate |
| 00:37.06 | abrotman | ~tell rr72 about u |
| 00:37.15 | abrotman | !win me |
| 00:37.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 00:37.17 | intension | hehe |
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| 00:37.34 | jim | rr72: I mean, so you -want- to look dumb? :) |
| 00:37.36 | spdf | Haha.. "its OK to fantasize about..." dpkg, you're hillarious. |
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| 00:37.54 | rr72 | now i have all bots |
| 00:38.00 | rr72 | apt and dpkg |
| 00:38.01 | apt | from memory, dpkg is a bot, or the low-level command to install and manipulate Debian package files (.debs). |
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| 00:38.09 | abrotman | @tell rr72 about moron |
| 00:38.14 | glickinator | hey how so i set up zoneedit using dynamic dns? |
| 00:38.16 | abrotman | !win me |
| 00:38.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 00:38.18 | rr72 | hehe and raven |
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| 00:38.52 | kreg | how the crap you reset the password on these nortel baystacks |
| 00:39.02 | abrotman | kreg: wrong channel ? |
| 00:39.18 | djblazen | Hi all, could some one tell me the major and minor numbers for a harddrive, pretty please? |
| 00:39.24 | jim | rr72: yaknow something, if you ignore the bots, that could be grounds for quieting or banning, depending on mood and whether you bother reading cited material and whether the bot cites appropriate reading material to you... |
| 00:39.48 | abrotman | or .. you know .. now anyone who tries to have bot tell him something .. he won't get |
| 00:39.50 | abrotman | moron |
| 00:39.55 | kreg | abrotman, not really. there is a good chance that there are many people in here with nortel experience. |
| 00:40.12 | intension | djblazen read MAKEDEV in /dev |
| 00:40.12 | abrotman | kreg: that's a PBX right ? |
| 00:40.19 | kreg | no |
| 00:40.22 | thomas_adam | djblazen: read the devices.txt file in the kernel documentation, with the source. |
| 00:40.23 | FieldySnuts | !blog test |
| 00:40.28 | jim | if it were me, I might site-ban you the first time (yes, that's right, -first- time) any bot tried to cite you material you should read and fails to do so |
| 00:40.37 | djblazen | intension: i don't believe MAKEDEV exists on the sarge installion disk |
| 00:40.40 | abrotman | kreg: see :) |
| 00:40.46 | kreg | abrotman, heh heh |
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| 00:41.00 | rr72 | davem~ do i need to make a config file for camserv? |
| 00:41.13 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 00:41.14 | dpkg | from memory, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 00:41.21 | abrotman | jim: i would have banned him a few weeks ago |
| 00:41.24 | rr72 | nvm i got it |
| 00:41.29 | rr72 | l8r all |
| 00:41.29 | bigbill52a | back to the shop...windows beckons |
| 00:41.42 | jim | rr72: word to the wise. |
| 00:41.45 | glickinator | damn |
| 00:41.49 | glickinator | its nto working |
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| 00:41.59 | spdf | asses? |
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| 00:42.04 | spdf | Some people's kids these days.. |
| 00:42.04 | FieldySnuts | !lart spdf |
| 00:42.08 | abrotman | jim: i seriously doubts he cares .. and really .. should have been banned a while ago |
| 00:42.10 | jim | I say never let him in again |
| 00:42.12 | djblazen | ok here is another question, from the sarge console how do i mount another partition or drive? |
| 00:42.14 | spdf | FieldySnuts, *Angry Noises* |
| 00:42.16 | drraid | rofl |
| 00:42.36 | jim | does he run debian? |
| 00:42.38 | drraid | djblazen, with mount |
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| 00:42.51 | DB_ | Why would cfdisk show a partition as 64MB, yet df only shows 16MB? |
| 00:42.54 | drraid | btw the rofl was @ 'asses' in the leaving statement |
| 00:43.13 | spdf | drraid, Thanks for clarifying.. |
| 00:43.13 | glickinator | does anyone know what i could be donig wrong? |
| 00:43.18 | intension | DB_ untill you reboot |
| 00:43.23 | abrotman | jim: remember .. doesn't matter what we think :) |
| 00:43.26 | AigleDor | I did an "apt-get install x-window-system" and xdm has been added to runlevels 2,3,4 and 5! is this normal?? |
| 00:43.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:43.35 | drraid | spdf, i was ensuring not offending someone on basis of their question |
| 00:43.41 | jim | abrotman: good point |
| 00:44.06 | AigleDor | abrotman: did you answer my question? |
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| 00:44.21 | jim | AigleDor: yes. by default, runlevels 2345 are identical |
| 00:44.22 | drraid | ^ |
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| 00:44.24 | djblazen | drraid: /dev/hda1 does not exist when i execute the shell from the installation menu |
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| 00:44.38 | rr72 | bitched!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!gay fuckers |
| 00:44.40 | glickinator | can anyone help me out? |
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| 00:44.51 | drraid | djblazen, your in the installation process? |
| 00:44.55 | spdf | !ops rr72 is teh g4yness |
| 00:44.55 | intension | lol |
| 00:44.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: rr72 is teh g4yness |
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| 00:45.09 | AigleDor | I don't want xdm to run at startup, what to do now?? |
| 00:45.13 | intension | djblazen offcourse it exitsts |
| 00:45.14 | glickinator | i dont know if its my server or what? |
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| 00:45.21 | djblazen | drraid: I need a console so I can mount a drive so I can fix my mbr because tis all screwed |
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| 00:45.22 | thomas_adam | !tell AigleDor -about nodm |
| 00:45.34 | jim | yaknow, you don't ever need banning or quieting if you distribute an ignore list |
| 00:45.52 | djblazen | intension: nope not there |
| 00:45.57 | drraid | was the drive previously /dev/hda1, djblazen? |
| 00:46.06 | abrotman | yay |
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| 00:46.17 | djblazen | drraid: yep, I think it may ahve some thing to do with udev not started |
| 00:46.22 | intension | djblazen yes , open a shell and mount /dev/hda1 |
| 00:46.54 | spdf | thomas_adam, What does adding the - to about do? |
| 00:46.55 | jim | it exits off course? hmm, did it run aground? slam into the (misplaced) mountaintop? missed the rest stop? |
| 00:46.58 | djblazen | intension: I have a shell open from the Sarge install disk, the one you boot off of and I don't have any ide block devices in there |
| 00:47.07 | thomas_adam | spdf: Surpresses the factoid. |
| 00:47.19 | jim | surpresses it how? |
| 00:47.27 | spdf | thomas_adam, So you don't get messaged it aswell? |
| 00:47.29 | drraid | I see, dunno what to suggest |
| 00:47.34 | thomas_adam | spdf: Indeed. |
| 00:47.38 | jim | oic |
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| 00:47.49 | glickinator | excuse can anyone help me set up zonedit to work with my site? i set up my router to forward port 8080 to the proper computer apache is running, ports.conf says 8080 i restarted apache yet when i try 192.168.0.4/serendipity/:8080 it says connection refused |
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| 00:48.05 | Coffee | shingouz: i spoiled my alsa when compiled it:(. so i wanted to reinstall it, but apt-get did not allow me it so i just removed it to install again ... that was not a good idea rofl |
| 00:48.15 | shingouz | Coffee: you run knoppix and you want #debian to comfigure it for you? shame on you, off to #knoppix with you, no wonder the stuff we told you didn't work |
| 00:48.19 | spdf | glickinator, 192.168.0.4:8080/serendipity/ |
| 00:48.28 | gary | I have a bin and a .cue file. I thought i could make the bin executable and then just execute it, but it doesnt allow me to. Do i have to burn this to CD? |
| 00:48.37 | jim | glickinator: syntax error on url... |
| 00:48.42 | audian | Can somone tell me how to get the little desktop switching buttons in KDE to show my actual desktop, background and all? |
| 00:48.51 | spdf | gary, the BIN isn't a binary.. |
| 00:48.52 | AigleDor | I made a mistake when answering the questions after doing an apt-get install x-window-system, is it possible te re-run the configuration tool of xfree server? |
| 00:48.53 | djblazen | intension: the weird thing is that my cdrom drive is mounted but its dev location is cdrom0 i believe |
| 00:49.06 | Coffee | shingouz: that's the second day i saw linux in my life - so please don't shame me so hard :( |
| 00:49.06 | shingouz | Coffee: the biggest reason we cannot make the thing work is that it is not debian you run there. #knoppix and ask there |
| 00:49.23 | spdf | gary, You can convert the bin/cue to a mountable image.. |
| 00:49.26 | Xuse | AigleDor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:49.30 | spdf | gary, if that's all you want to do.. |
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| 00:49.45 | gary | spdf: yea, hwo can i do that? |
| 00:49.47 | shingouz | Coffee: you have just wasted about two hours of my time by sitting here and trying to configure something that is not debian with debian tools. |
| 00:49.48 | gary | how* |
| 00:49.53 | Coffee | shingouz: they did not know how to help me last time so i went here |
| 00:50.01 | drraid | .. |
| 00:50.01 | drraid | maybe my inet died |
| 00:50.03 | spdf | gary, Is it a vcd? |
| 00:50.10 | shingouz | Coffee: install debian and ask again. if they do not know it is not my problem |
| 00:50.16 | gary | no it's a game, but in .bin and .cue format |
| 00:50.34 | shingouz | Coffee: you picked the distro you run, not me |
| 00:50.37 | jim | Coffee: so instead of them wasting your time, you came here and wasted someone else's time :) wow, how time does work... |
| 00:50.41 | Coffee | shingouz: no u helped me much cause it's debian GNU/linux isn't it ? |
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| 00:50.49 | spdf | gary, bchunk I believe |
| 00:50.55 | shingouz | Coffee: it is fucking knoppix |
| 00:50.55 | gary | thanks |
| 00:51.01 | jim | coffee: no |
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| 00:51.16 | shingouz | someone shoot him for me. please |
| 00:51.32 | jim | drraid: shoot the phone company for making modular plugs in the first place |
| 00:51.41 | drraid | yes |
| 00:51.43 | djblazen | :-D |
| 00:51.46 | spdf | drraid, You could just buy shields, or pre-shielded cables.. |
| 00:51.48 | djblazen | got it! |
| 00:51.50 | Coffee | jim: shingouz: ok if u want i'll leave |
| 00:51.54 | jim | drraid: but also, there are many flimsy things in the world |
| 00:51.55 | shingouz | jfc i need a fsckig smoke |
| 00:51.55 | drraid | this is a shielded cable |
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| 00:52.32 | jim | Coffee: you don't have to leave necessarily, but you'd have to ask debian questions |
| 00:52.41 | jim | (not knoppix) |
| 00:52.43 | shingouz | Coffee: it is not that we do not want to help it is we cannot help as knoppix is completely different from debian |
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| 00:52.49 | kaoD | hello |
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| 00:52.58 | Coffee | shingouz: i asked debian questions all the time |
| 00:52.58 | kaoD | I need some help |
| 00:53.04 | kaoD | I was moving my ext3 partition with Partition Magic (WinXP) and then I got a BSOD |
| 00:53.06 | spdf | kaoD, Better not be a Ubuntu question ;) |
| 00:53.10 | jme | literally unstable? i haven't noticed any problems... |
| 00:53.10 | kaoD | now my ext3 partition isn't working... I can mount it with a LiveCD, but I can only access my /home |
| 00:53.19 | drraid | How long do mx records usually take to update? |
| 00:53.20 | shingouz | Coffee: what you just did is like going to the dentist to have open hear surgery ffs |
| 00:53.25 | kaoD | of course GRUB stopped working |
| 00:53.28 | jim | kaoD: so... running debian, are you? |
| 00:53.30 | Coffee | shingouz: but isapnp and alsa work the same way there |
| 00:53.32 | djblazen | kaoD: ouch tough luck, try reformatign using a diff. super block |
| 00:53.45 | kaoD | not using debian |
| 00:53.49 | kaoD | but I don't know where to ask |
| 00:53.49 | abrotman | huh? |
| 00:53.51 | shingouz | sweeet silence.. i fucking love ignore |
| 00:54.00 | spdf | kaoD, What were you doing with PM when it died? |
| 00:54.09 | jim | fucking love is the spacial kind... |
| 00:54.09 | kaoD | moving the ext3 partition |
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| 00:54.13 | djblazen | kaoD: doesn't matter ext3 is ext3 no matter what distro....unless your distro changed it for some reason |
| 00:54.14 | initech | ignore everyone! |
| 00:54.14 | Coffee | shingouz: k i'll go to knoppix and kanotix sorry bothering u |
| 00:54.24 | abrotman | U |
| 00:54.26 | spdf | kaoD, Umm. You're fucked. |
| 00:54.27 | abrotman | bah |
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| 00:54.48 | kaoD | well, I can see the partition mounting it |
| 00:54.54 | djblazen | kaoD: i only use debian as a host system while I build lfs |
| 00:55.00 | kaoD | but I can only access home |
| 00:55.09 | jim | what's a lf? |
| 00:55.15 | spdf | kaoD, Hmm.. Your root partition isn't accessable? |
| 00:55.16 | abrotman | !lfs |
| 00:55.16 | dpkg | [lfs] large file support, or ask me about linux from scratch |
| 00:55.18 | kaoD | djblazen: I was just answering spdf, he asked me if I was using debian |
| 00:55.20 | cthulfuego | was rr72 a bit angry when it left here? |
| 00:55.21 | audian | Does anyone know how to make the desktop pager show actual shots of my desktop instead of just window outlines? |
| 00:55.34 | djblazen | kaoD: oh ok, :-) |
| 00:55.35 | webfreak | is there a way to force purge a package that only has config files left on the system? |
| 00:55.41 | abrotman | audian: depends on the desktop |
| 00:55.44 | spdf | cthulfuego, He did call us asses.. and gay too.. |
| 00:55.46 | initech | audian: huh? |
| 00:55.47 | cthulfuego | webfreak: dpkg -P package |
| 00:55.50 | audian | abrotman, kde |
| 00:55.56 | kaoD | I did fsck.ext3 /dev/hda3 |
| 00:55.57 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 00:55.57 | cthulfuego | spdf: He spazzed out in #debian-bots |
| 00:55.59 | jim | djblazen: we'd only be inclined to help with the host |
| 00:56.07 | kaoD | "Node i 16450 has one(some) illegal block(s). Delete ?" Does that have data loss implied ? |
| 00:56.08 | initech | audian: go in the control panel and look around |
| 00:56.08 | djblazen | kaoD: yep, I know |
| 00:56.12 | djblazen | oops |
| 00:56.15 | djblazen | jim: yep i know |
| 00:56.19 | webfreak | cthulfuego: ah ha, that's what i was looking for |
| 00:56.23 | webfreak | cthulfuego: thanks |
| 00:56.28 | cthulfuego | webfreak: np |
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| 00:56.43 | webfreak | since apt with --purge said it was already gone |
| 00:56.49 | webfreak | anyway |
| 00:56.51 | djblazen | jim: I love debian, but I _hate_ packaging systems so I had to go to linuxfromscratch |
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| 00:57.17 | jim | djblazen: also, the preceeding may have been preemptive, but it was as polite and as neutral as possible |
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| 00:57.22 | gary | after creating an iso using bchunk do i just mount the image on a mount point? |
| 00:57.29 | smoked1 | I am having trouble getting lmsensors to install on my debian sarge box with 2.6 kernel |
| 00:57.33 | jim | djblazen |
| 00:57.34 | initech | djblazen: er, why do you hate packaging systems? |
| 00:57.34 | smoked1 | Can anyone help? |
| 00:57.44 | ColonelKernel | linux from scratch = all .tar.gz? |
| 00:57.44 | kaoD | if I try to cd /media/mounted/boot it says something about an "io error"... and cd /media/mounted/etc says it isn't a dir... but the home dir is intact, no data loss |
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| 00:58.13 | cthulfuego | tungsten? |
| 00:58.16 | drraid | yeah |
| 00:58.19 | drraid | :X |
| 00:58.26 | Coffee | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.35 | djblazen | initech: when I using woody I wanted to upgrade either glibc or libc I forced uninstalled it and bad things ensued like cyclic dependency problems |
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| 00:58.43 | smoked1 | keeps saying /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7-smp/build/include/linux/modversions.h', needed by `kernel/chips/xeontemp.d' |
| 00:58.51 | initech | djblazen: well it's retarded to do that |
| 00:58.57 | djblazen | initech: and at that time I didn't know how to deal with them so i said fsck this I'm going to lfs |
| 00:58.58 | BlurredWe | I installed knoppmyth (knoppix derivative), and I'm having problems with top. I want to know the io wait time (which is messing up the video from mythtv), but can't seem to figure out how to get the number |
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| 00:59.19 | spdf | kaoD, Hmm.. If PM died while you were moving a partition around, you've cooked it.. |
| 00:59.19 | cthulfuego | BlurredWe: This is the wrong channel. Try #knoppix |
| 00:59.26 | djblazen | initech: but I still use debian, it was a pain in the butt to use at first because the learning curve was really steep |
| 00:59.41 | spdf | Oh well, he's a dullard... |
| 00:59.42 | webfreak | ... |
| 00:59.47 | audian | abrotman, noone in debian-kde is talking >.> |
| 00:59.48 | initech | djblazen: oh, so you flee the problems of one thing for the utter nightmare it was meant to solve |
| 00:59.49 | djblazen | initech: it gave me bragging rights to my friends back in middle school |
| 01:00.09 | djblazen | initech: you have no idea what i'm running into lfs...you compile everything from source |
| 01:00.24 | spdf | Bragging rights for using LFS... Something tells me you weren't every popular in middle school ;) |
| 01:00.25 | djblazen | initech: but whatever I always keep debian handy |
| 01:00.33 | webfreak | heh, lfs |
| 01:00.34 | initech | djblazen: been there, it's a waste of time to me |
| 01:00.43 | webfreak | i remember trying that, like 4 years ago |
| 01:00.43 | djblazen | initech: well I got time to burn |
| 01:00.48 | jim | djblazen: so you probably appreciate the debian toolchain and maybe the kernel packages |
| 01:00.50 | gary | I should be able to mount an iso shouldn't i. Don't i just mount it as iso9660 and use the -o prefix to create a loopback mount? |
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| 01:00.55 | initech | djblazen: it is extremely educational tho |
| 01:01.09 | spdf | gary, assuming everything is kosher with the image, yes... |
| 01:01.12 | BlurredWe | cthulfuego, sorry, figured since it's a debian derivative, and it's installed to the hard drive :) Thanks |
| 01:01.14 | jim | gary: right, -o loop |
| 01:01.41 | djblazen | jim: errrr, I hate packaging systems.....with a passion, even on my debian system I was doing stuff from source, including XFree86 back when my 233 mhz computer was "fast" |
| 01:01.55 | djblazen | jim: debs weren't always available |
| 01:02.17 | djblazen | we're talking around 95 and 96 |
| 01:02.17 | jim | then I'm unclear as to why you like debian at all |
| 01:02.20 | nevyn | djblazen: if you hate packaging systems then maybe debian's not for you? |
| 01:02.31 | djblazen | nevyn: I learned on debian |
| 01:02.40 | abrotman | Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14) |
| 01:02.48 | gary | jim, spdf: does this look alright to you: mount -o -t iso9660 <img name>.iso /mnt/dvd |
| 01:02.51 | initech | djblazen: err, stable debian is meant to be something you do not fuck with, ever. Something to actually use, not something to be compiling shit on all the time |
| 01:02.53 | smoked1 | anyone got anything on my lmsensors thing? |
| 01:02.54 | glickinator | zoneedit doesnt forward shit to me can anyone help me figure out why? |
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| 01:03.03 | jim | gary: -o takes arguments |
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| 01:03.18 | djblazen | initech: yeah but eh, I like to tinker |
| 01:03.25 | prplstarlette | does anyone know where KDE's themes are installed into? |
| 01:03.29 | jim | gary: man mount, look at synopsis, look at loop mounting |
| 01:03.35 | gary | got it |
| 01:03.41 | gary | yea, just read the man page wrongly |
| 01:03.46 | initech | djblazen: plenty to tinker with without recompiling things |
| 01:03.46 | gary | should have been -o loop |
| 01:03.58 | jim | right, and more generally? |
| 01:04.22 | djblazen | initech: its all about personal preference right? |
| 01:05.02 | abrotman | eegad .. david duchodnevey .. or whatever it is .. did the voice for this video game |
| 01:05.05 | cthulfuego | gary: Still living with spongebob? |
| 01:05.18 | djblazen | initech: besides I know debian, I know the file structure, and most importantly I know where to get debs if i need them. I keep a debian system handy...always |
| 01:05.49 | Coffee | shingouz: u are only one who answered my stupid questions. can u answer one last time? How to restore packages that i removed with :apt-get remove |
| 01:05.53 | djblazen | initech: also when I made the initial switch gnu/linux was just a whisper in the wind |
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| 01:06.24 | djblazen | initech: I learned of it from a friend who knew some people and he got me hooked. he used debian |
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| 01:07.12 | djblazen | initech: also the only other distro was RedHat and I despised that distro....still do |
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| 01:08.20 | thomas_adam | Coffee: dpkg -P <package> && apt-get install package |
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| 01:09.01 | Coffee | thanx thomas |
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| 01:13.30 | FieldySnuts | dpkg -i sleep |
| 01:13.35 | FieldySnuts | that's new |
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| 01:13.46 | drraid | rofl |
| 01:13.59 | Octex | hola |
| 01:14.04 | Octex | hi |
| 01:14.26 | Nethox | Octex: hola |
| 01:15.01 | glickinator | zoneedit doesnt forward shit to me can anyone help me with it? |
| 01:15.21 | Octex | se |
| 01:15.25 | Octex | alguien me lee |
| 01:15.26 | Octex | al fin |
| 01:15.28 | Octex | :) |
| 01:15.33 | cthulfuego | !es |
| 01:15.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:15.36 | abrotman | !pt |
| 01:15.36 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:15.48 | cthulfuego | abrotman: Wrong |
| 01:15.49 | Octex | ahora voy a debian es |
| 01:15.56 | cthulfuego | abrotman: bom dia |
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| 01:16.47 | abrotman | cthulfuego: i get the alguien/alguim or whatever it is confused :) |
| 01:17.01 | cafuego | abrotman: Ach so, ich sehe... |
| 01:17.10 | abrotman | yes? |
| 01:17.19 | FieldySnuts | puto |
| 01:17.49 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: chickens? |
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| 01:19.38 | djblazen | jim: are you in affiliation with debian? |
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| 01:19.53 | djblazen | *direct affiliation... |
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| 01:20.01 | jim | I'm a dd |
| 01:20.02 | abrotman | he is jim! |
| 01:20.11 | jetx | !worship jim |
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| 01:20.18 | abrotman | !U |
| 01:20.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:20.23 | abrotman | jim! |
| 01:20.25 | FieldySnuts | beat me to it |
| 01:20.28 | jetx | !U-HAUL |
| 01:20.35 | djblazen | jim: what is dd? sorry for my uninformedness |
| 01:20.37 | abrotman | !uhaul |
| 01:20.38 | abrotman | !dd |
| 01:20.39 | dpkg | i guess dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer |
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| 01:20.48 | abrotman | wait .. he has used debian for how long .. and doesn't know DD ? |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | and don't anyone say boobs |
| 01:20.59 | jim | yes, I produce bootable floppies |
| 01:21.07 | abrotman | jim: that's easy! |
| 01:21.12 | abrotman | sys a: |
| 01:21.13 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:21.14 | jetx | boobable floppies |
| 01:21.19 | jim | man me and see |
| 01:21.24 | abrotman | man jim |
| 01:21.30 | djblazen | jim: lol, I will when i have a running system! |
| 01:21.36 | jim | heyyy! THAT RHYMED! |
| 01:21.45 | jetx | kill im jim! kill im jim! |
| 01:22.05 | jetx | from startrek |
| 01:22.05 | tcsetattr | writing vmlinuz directly to a floppy for booting without LILO doesn't actually work with recent kernels... does it? |
| 01:22.15 | jharrison | mmmm goat balls |
| 01:22.21 | jim | im is too prevelent... aol has it, ms has it, yahoo has it... |
| 01:22.25 | FieldySnuts | !goatse jharrison |
| 01:22.48 | jharrison | 3338 sport=0 flags=RA seq=9 win=8201 rtt=35.6 ms |
| 01:22.51 | m_ | heh |
| 01:22.57 | jharrison | ppffttt |
| 01:23.02 | FieldySnuts | !google goatse |
| 01:23.08 | jharrison | http://www.allesoverballen.com/engels/GEITEN.html |
| 01:23.09 | dpkg | Google says goatse is at http://sam.zoy.org/fun/goatse/ or http://goat.cx/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goatse.cx or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goatse or http://www.threadless.com/product/235/Goatse?streetteam=anildash |
| 01:23.09 | FieldySnuts | don't go to any url that comes with |
| 01:23.14 | djblazen | jim: how long have you been with the debian team? |
| 01:23.22 | FieldySnuts | HEH there's a wikipedia entry? bad. |
| 01:23.23 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: not even wikipedia ? |
| 01:23.32 | m_ | wikipedia article is pretty good |
| 01:23.38 | FieldySnuts | better be clean |
| 01:23.47 | m_ | or what! |
| 01:23.50 | m_ | your edit it? |
| 01:23.54 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:23.57 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: those are some .. descriptive pages |
| 01:24.05 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: the wiki paages i mean |
| 01:24.17 | FieldySnuts | i got tricked into going to the .cx addy once, never again. and none of you should either |
| 01:24.23 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:24.46 | FieldySnuts | (_O_) |
| 01:24.49 | FieldySnuts | sorry.... |
| 01:24.49 | abydos | this is not good. |
| 01:24.56 | abydos | sveasoft firmware officially sucks now |
| 01:24.58 | jim | Record created: 0000/00/00 00:00:00 UTC |
| 01:25.07 | jim | evidently since the beginning of time... |
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| 01:30.48 | djblazen | it got real quiet in here |
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| 01:31.39 | abrotman | !shuddup |
| 01:31.39 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 01:31.51 | djblazen | !help |
| 01:31.56 | djblazen | always a safe command |
| 01:32.14 | abrotman | !tell djblazen about help |
| 01:34.13 | blal | What's the apt (the IRC bot) keyword for Cd-recording in 2.6 kernels? |
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| 01:34.35 | djblazen | :screams |
| 01:34.53 | abrotman | !2.6.8 burning |
| 01:34.54 | dpkg | hmm... 2.6.8 burning is http://lwn.net/Articles/98379/ |
| 01:34.58 | abrotman | maybe not |
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| 01:35.31 | abrotman | !cdburning |
| 01:35.31 | dpkg | hmm... cdburning is 'modprobe idescsi' and running 'xcdroast' as root! |
| 01:35.33 | jim | blal: /msg apt help |
| 01:35.39 | jim | is good thing |
| 01:35.44 | abrotman | oh .. ffs |
| 01:35.56 | intension | xcdroast ? |
| 01:36.03 | abrotman | !burninate jim |
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| 01:36.48 | jim | didn't Christina Applegate once advertise the Burninator? |
| 01:36.49 | intension | so what is wrong with cdrecord ? |
| 01:36.59 | abrotman | jim: you'd still do her |
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| 01:37.18 | jim | I'd do jlh first :P |
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| 01:37.25 | fas3r | hi all |
| 01:37.28 | abrotman | jim: he's a dd ? |
| 01:37.40 | jim | I don't think so :) |
| 01:37.45 | jim | she does moovees |
| 01:37.48 | abrotman | !jlh |
| 01:37.53 | abrotman | !seen jlh |
| 01:37.53 | dpkg | abrotman: i haven't seen 'jlh' |
| 01:38.00 | jim | jennifer love hewitt |
| 01:38.18 | jetx | the one with jet li or a different one |
| 01:38.25 | jetx | hibernate |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | !seen g4lt |
| 01:38.36 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 261d 1h 1m 53s ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 01:39.15 | jetx | that's bad, i remember g4lt so i'm not progressing very well, i should be a linux guru, given the time i've run it :/ |
| 01:39.17 | fas3r | for force the install of a debian files (.deb) , it's dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/the_name_of_the_paquet |
| 01:39.42 | abrotman | sure .. why not |
| 01:39.47 | abrotman | but you should have a good reason |
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| 01:40.55 | Chrischan | good mornin |
| 01:41.04 | djblazen | morning!? |
| 01:41.09 | abrotman | he's german |
| 01:41.17 | Chrischan | Sa Jun 25 03:41:12 CEST 2005 |
| 01:41.21 | djblazen | lol, i was guessing, just being a nut |
| 01:41.25 | abrotman | we can't all be in EDT/EST |
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| 01:41.51 | djblazen | yeah i know, just being a goof |
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| 01:42.12 | neumayr | *sigh* 3:40 and the sun is rising already :( |
| 01:42.20 | djblazen | my computer is driving me nuts so all other logical facialities have shutdown |
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| 01:45.07 | Chrischan | guys, i need to uninstall all packages beginning with "zope*", i dont know a good way do automate this. All i know is i get a list of all zope*-packages using dpkg-query -l "zope*" ... but how to use it to automately uninstall all installed zope*-packages? |
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| 01:46.01 | neumayr | |xargs dpkg --remove or something.. |
| 01:46.02 | Chrischan | gtg ttt (gotta go to the toilet) |
| 01:46.45 | djblazen | thats a new one |
| 01:47.09 | Guerin | tfsm |
| 01:47.29 | mfrisch | Chrischan use dselect then / to search and remove |
| 01:47.29 | djblazen | thats for sure man? |
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| 01:47.36 | Guerin | thanks for sharing man |
| 01:47.40 | ows | hi folks, how can I kill a process that's occupying 100% of my CPU.. neither killall -9 xine nor kill -9 PID worked :\ (sorry asking this question here) |
| 01:47.52 | Guerin | ows: what's its status? |
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| 01:48.07 | abrotman | dpkg -l | grep zope | grep ^ii | xargs dpkg -P |
| 01:48.07 | dpkg | xargs dpkg -P 1.2-3 abrotman's private gamp collection |
| 01:48.09 | abrotman | mayb |
| 01:48.11 | abrotman | whoops |
| 01:48.11 | abrotman | wait |
| 01:48.21 | Chrischan | mfrisch, jeez, sure thanks... |
| 01:48.22 | Guerin | abrotman: that won't work |
| 01:48.30 | abrotman | dpkg -l | grep zope | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --purge |
| 01:48.31 | dpkg | xargs apt-get -y --purge |
| 01:48.33 | abrotman | better ? |
| 01:48.38 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 01:48.38 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 01:48.42 | Guerin | you need an awk '/zope/ {$print $2}' |
| 01:48.50 | Nethox | Chrischan: aptitude allows some expresions with ~ char, see the manual |
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| 01:48.58 | Guerin | abrotman: uuog |
| 01:48.59 | ows | Guerin: do you want all info of /proc/PID? |
| 01:48.59 | abrotman | Guerin: i think mine will work |
| 01:49.00 | jetx | craptitude |
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| 01:49.14 | jetx | is ok |
| 01:49.18 | Guerin | ows: just the status, if it's Z or D |
| 01:49.30 | Chrischan | Guerin tfsm <- did you mean the "gtgttt"? lol |
| 01:49.36 | mfrisch | Chrischan you would have been done by now... |
| 01:49.38 | Guerin | !lol |
| 01:49.38 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 01:49.53 | jp | Hi guys, I'm trying to compile something, but I get an error: ImportError: cannot import name saxlib. What this can be? I have installled python and python-extensions :/ Thanks! |
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| 01:50.02 | abrotman | Guerin: u r th3 funneh |
| 01:50.03 | sciboy | Heya. |
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| 01:50.17 | Guerin | abrotman: 1no l0l |
| 01:50.32 | sciboy | I got a file with a .iso extension on it, although all the programs say thats its definitely not an iso... |
| 01:50.41 | Guerin | sciboy: file |
| 01:50.48 | sciboy | How can i find out what type of file it is? file just tells me its data. |
| 01:50.53 | jim | sciboy: file |
| 01:50.59 | jim | oh, try mounting it |
| 01:51.08 | Guerin | sciboy: what happen when you try to mount it loopback as iso9660 |
| 01:51.09 | mfrisch | does uw-imap use a seperate passwd file I cannot connect. Also I cannot istall libssl-dev in testing. |
| 01:51.13 | Guerin | ? |
| 01:51.30 | abrotman | mfrisch: why not ? |
| 01:51.42 | Guerin | MrScotty: if you can't connect you have problems beyond the password file. |
| 01:51.48 | mfrisch | abrotman give me a sec |
| 01:51.53 | Guerin | mfrisch: ^^ |
| 01:51.58 | ows | Guerin: neither of them... R |
| 01:52.05 | Guerin | ows: try killing X |
| 01:52.05 | sciboy | Guerin: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 |
| 01:52.06 | jim | you cannot connect to your seperate passwd file does uw-imap use? |
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| 01:52.12 | tcsetattr | sciboy, the simplest way would be to ask the person who gave you that file |
| 01:52.26 | Guerin | sciboy: try downloading it again |
| 01:52.37 | mfrisch | abrotman unmet dependencies |
| 01:52.51 | Guerin | mfrisch: then you're not running pure sarge. |
| 01:52.54 | sciboy | Guerin: Download manager is telling me the file is perfect, and the RAR file i got it from extracted just as well. |
| 01:53.07 | abrotman | mfrisch: such as ? |
| 01:53.08 | Guerin | sciboy: sucks to be you. |
| 01:53.27 | jp | Hi guys, I'm trying to compile something, but I get an error: ImportError: cannot import name saxlib. What this can be? I have installled python and python-extensions :/ Thanks! |
| 01:53.27 | ows | Guerin: killing X Server? |
| 01:53.32 | Guerin | ows: 1 |
| 01:53.39 | abrotman | !find saxlib |
| 01:53.40 | ows | reboot? |
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| 01:53.41 | ows | :P |
| 01:53.49 | Guerin | ows: no, kill the x server. |
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| 01:54.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'saxlib' (4): (/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/saxlib.py) in python/python2.2-xml ;; (/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/saxlib.py) in python/python2.3-xml ;; (/usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/saxlib.py) in python/python2.1-xml ;; (/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/saxlib.py) in python/python2.4-xml. |
| 01:54.08 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:54.12 | ows | Guerin: but PPID is init |
| 01:54.14 | abrotman | jp: ^^ |
| 01:54.14 | mfrisch | says depends on 0.9.7e-3 but but g1 is to be installed |
| 01:54.15 | ows | not x server |
| 01:54.23 | deeepz | hey guys i am not able to configure my xserver |
| 01:54.31 | deeepz | i ahve debian sarge |
| 01:54.32 | Guerin | ows: why is xine running off init? |
| 01:54.43 | deeepz | i have downloaded both gnmoe and kde |
| 01:54.44 | Guerin | !tell deeepz about set up x |
| 01:54.54 | abrotman | !drxx deeepz |
| 01:54.55 | dpkg | deeepz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:55.09 | ows | Guerin: don't know.. I started a video with firefox |
| 01:55.22 | Guerin | ows: try killing x anyway |
| 01:55.30 | tcsetattr | ows, if a process survives kill -9 that is a kernel bug. is it in disk-wait state ("D" under the STAT column in ps)? |
| 01:55.43 | Guerin | tcsetattr: he says not |
| 01:55.49 | deeepz | however it asks many intricate hardware level questions |
| 01:55.52 | ows | tcsetattr: R |
| 01:55.54 | deeepz | let mecheck |
| 01:56.25 | Guerin | deeepz: if you read the instructions, you can bang through them. |
| 01:56.31 | ows | damn, I was running other apps now |
| 01:56.38 | Guerin | ows: -9 should kill that |
| 01:56.43 | tcsetattr | an R process that can't be killed? I haven't seen that before |
| 01:56.48 | sciboy | Guerin: ... Appears none of the other iso's work either. |
| 01:56.52 | Guerin | ows: try to replicate it and file a bug |
| 01:56.54 | deeepz | dpkg: |
| 01:56.59 | Chrischan | guys look -> crazyhorse Chrischan: apt-get remove zope* |
| 01:57.01 | deeepz | very first question |
| 01:57.03 | sciboy | Guerin: Is it possible to use a different form of compression on an iso? |
| 01:57.09 | ows | tcsetattr: neither killall -9 xine nor kill -9 PID |
| 01:57.12 | deeepz | videi card manufacturere |
| 01:57.21 | glickinator | can someone help me out zoneedit does not work for me for some reason, i have a registered domain name and i have ddclient set up which is working correctly and i have apache listening on port 8080, i entered these parameters into zoneedit but when i go to my website it says its not found |
| 01:57.27 | deeepz | i have intel 915 motherboard |
| 01:57.32 | ows | tcsetattr: I won't try kill -9 PPID cause PPID = 1 :P |
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| 01:57.41 | djblazen | yay!!!! finally a bootable system |
| 01:57.43 | Guerin | !tell deeepz about set up x |
| 01:57.55 | Guerin | deeepz: that will detect shit for you, just fucking do it |
| 01:57.57 | jetx | hwinfo --monitor to get the v & h refresh rates |
| 01:58.03 | sciboy | Guerin: I think its a BIN file =/ |
| 01:58.17 | jetx | but hey the autodetection seems to work better when you drxx |
| 01:58.27 | jim | sciboy: then it could be in zip format |
| 01:58.31 | jetx | sarge install first time i saw it get the v&h right |
| 01:58.56 | jim | from dpns? |
| 01:59.13 | Guerin | file says it's just data |
| 01:59.24 | Guerin | so it's not any sane form of compression |
| 01:59.38 | Guerin | sciboy: my advice is to use more reliable warez sites |
| 01:59.46 | jim | debian installs: it'll detect the shit so you don't have to step in it! |
| 01:59.58 | jim | sorry, trying my hand at marketing... |
| 02:00.13 | djblazen | alright you guys thanks for the help and see you all on the flip side |
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| 02:00.37 | jetx | jim: more practice... :) |
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| 02:00.50 | mfrisch | ls |
| 02:00.57 | jetx | -lA |
| 02:01.05 | deeepz | which video card shld i select |
| 02:01.06 | mfrisch | oops |
| 02:01.07 | jim | !xdcc list |
| 02:01.07 | dpkg | One list being sent to jim. |
| 02:01.14 | jetx | the one you have in the box |
| 02:01.19 | jetx | wtf is it |
| 02:01.22 | Guerin | deeepz: just fucking do what I have now told you twice |
| 02:01.24 | jetx | nvidia or ati |
| 02:01.30 | deeepz | i have a intel 915 motherboard |
| 02:01.37 | deeepz | onboard |
| 02:01.42 | jim | got sata? |
| 02:01.51 | Guerin | deeepz: stop. Go back. Just fucking do it. |
| 02:01.53 | abrotman | i830 or i810 .. but i don't think it works right |
| 02:01.55 | ows | Guerin: can't I start another xine and do something else to kill older process? |
| 02:01.59 | deeepz | in theselection menu there is 1810 last |
| 02:02.08 | jim | heyy, that's the nike slogan! |
| 02:02.17 | Guerin | ows: dunno. |
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| 02:02.41 | ows | Guerin: ok, tkx for your help |
| 02:02.56 | deeepz | guerin |
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| 02:03.06 | jim | probably never |
| 02:03.13 | mfrisch | jetx sis does now |
| 02:03.25 | jetx | yesino |
| 02:03.42 | jp | thx abrotman bye :) |
| 02:03.49 | jim | do you gamble in a yesino? |
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| 02:03.54 | abrotman | what!?! |
| 02:03.58 | jetx | deeepz: might be i810, i don't know |
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| 02:04.11 | jetx | yuk yuk yuk ... and i do mean yuck |
| 02:04.15 | deeepz | ok il check |
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| 02:04.35 | deeepz | bus card identifier |
| 02:04.40 | deeepz | which one |
| 02:04.41 | jetx | lleave it blank |
| 02:04.45 | deeepz | when i say lspci |
| 02:04.45 | Guerin | deeepz: fucking hell, you're stupid., |
| 02:04.48 | jetx | leave the memory blank alsoo |
| 02:04.49 | ows | Guerin: do you know how to save current firefox tabs (don't remenber how to do this).. this should be enough.. |
| 02:04.51 | jim | "Go ask my sister Yesino... she'll tell you her name..." |
| 02:05.03 | Guerin | deeepz: just fucking hit enter, like the GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING INSTRUCTIONS TELL YOU |
| 02:05.08 | deeepz | i do not see the bus card identoifier |
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| 02:05.16 | jetx | deeepz: leave it blank |
| 02:05.20 | Guerin | ows: nope. I have no use for firefox sessioning. |
| 02:05.20 | deeepz | ok |
| 02:05.28 | jetx | leave the memory blank alsoo |
| 02:05.29 | jim | deeepz, read the install manual first |
| 02:05.39 | deeepz | ok dude |
| 02:05.39 | ows | Guerin: ok, np... tkx again |
| 02:05.40 | jim | also, back up your HD first |
| 02:05.56 | jetx | xine-ui is a bit buggy in sid atm |
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| 02:06.04 | Guerin | jim: at least I'm actually giving sound advice... |
| 02:06.05 | jim | before doing any installing or especially partitioning... |
| 02:06.08 | abrotman | jetx: atm ? .. it's been buggy forever |
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| 02:06.18 | jim | sounds loud :) |
| 02:06.22 | jetx | ok *more* buggy |
| 02:06.32 | jetx | course i didn't see any bugs before |
| 02:06.39 | jetx | but i didn'[t look |
| 02:06.40 | jim | BIG sound advice :) |
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| 02:07.09 | jim | he's not listening to you |
| 02:07.13 | jetx | alsa advice giving large |
| 02:07.44 | jetx | also...alsa... (jim i'm making crap jokes just like you) |
| 02:07.49 | jetx | :p |
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| 02:08.35 | jim | Guerin: let him do what he wants, but by the same token, /ignore for at least a half hour; there's always someone else |
| 02:09.06 | jim | one thing he seems to want to do is engage his brain. that's usually a good thing |
| 02:09.27 | webfreak | who? |
| 02:09.30 | Guerin | jim: i'll thank you not to give me advice on how to advise people. |
| 02:09.47 | jim | then you won't thank me. my comments stand. |
| 02:09.47 | Guerin | jim: no, he's purposefully taking the hardest route to a point. |
| 02:09.48 | shingouz | someone trying to configure his knoppix again? |
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| 02:09.50 | jetx | a moron: a person whose brain needs to be on_more |
| 02:09.59 | webfreak | ... |
| 02:10.17 | shingouz | jetx: who needs a brain in the first place i think |
| 02:10.30 | jim | we both know he's going to do it no matter what you say |
| 02:10.35 | jetx | my brain solidified or something |
| 02:10.39 | glickinator | hey in zoneedit how do i make it so that it forwards to a different port? |
| 02:10.52 | shingouz | i cannot wait for sunday :p |
| 02:10.54 | abrotman | jetx: stop doing inhalants |
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| 02:11.01 | glickinator | it seems i can either list ip address or webforwards but not both |
| 02:11.02 | abrotman | shingouz: we can start early if you like |
| 02:11.03 | jim | so, best thing to do, is put him on the boat, say "make sure there's no holes in it" and push him off |
| 02:11.04 | glickinator | can anyone help me out |
| 02:11.11 | shingouz | abrotman: geee.. thanks |
| 02:11.24 | abrotman | shingouz: my debian accidentally installed suse .. can u hlep? |
| 02:11.32 | shingouz | !lart abrotman |
| 02:11.36 | shingouz | of course |
| 02:11.53 | Marticus | I have installed phpmyadmin package for sarge and there is no page found when I use the browser |
| 02:12.00 | abrotman | yay .. hot grits on my peter |
| 02:12.07 | Marticus | is there a known issue with phpmyadmin packagE? |
| 02:12.27 | jim | if there is known issue, it will be in bts... you should check there |
| 02:12.30 | jetx | 'shouldn't' be |
| 02:12.31 | Guerin | Marticus: if there is, the BTS will know |
| 02:12.37 | Marticus | indeed |
| 02:12.39 | jetx | but what they said |
| 02:12.53 | ows | Guerin: damn, what's happened... the process was killed |
| 02:13.12 | ows | can you explain what could happened? |
| 02:13.31 | Guerin | ows: what killed it? |
| 02:13.42 | ows | does init have some instructions to kill processes? |
| 02:13.49 | ows | Guerin: don't know |
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| 02:16.20 | ows | Guerin: do you have any idea? is it usual that init kills processes after sometime when they're using 100% cpu? |
| 02:16.42 | Guerin | ows: nope. Check syslog, etc. |
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| 02:16.56 | blal | l |
| 02:17.00 | trave11er | ows: if it ate too much memory, kernel could have killed it |
| 02:17.02 | blal | (er, wrong window) |
| 02:17.06 | sciboy | Yay! Got bin2iso converting the file =3 |
| 02:17.06 | trave11er | ows: google for 'oom killer' |
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| 02:17.57 | glick | anyone know how to configure zoneedit here? |
| 02:18.17 | Guerin | glick: the site contains instructions. |
| 02:18.32 | ows | trave11er: but that's when he's no more mem (either physical and virtual) |
| 02:18.35 | glick | Guerin, yeah i know apparently the instructions arnt working to well for me |
| 02:18.38 | ows | and that wasn't the case |
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| 02:18.58 | deeepz | hey guys does debian sarge support usb mouse |
| 02:19.11 | deeepz | i am going through documentation |
| 02:19.24 | piplined | Yes. |
| 02:19.26 | pder | deeepz look out, some asshole is going to flame you |
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| 02:19.53 | amphi | deeepz: that's a kernel issue rather than a debian one, FWIW |
| 02:20.21 | deeepz | no i have to select this during my xconfig |
| 02:21.13 | abrotman | !usb mouse |
| 02:21.13 | dpkg | hmm... usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 02:21.16 | abrotman | err |
| 02:21.19 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 02:21.20 | dpkg | from memory, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 02:21.21 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:21.45 | glick | how do i make zoneedit forward to a certain port? |
| 02:22.03 | deeepz | dpkg:ok let me check |
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| 02:22.15 | jetx | hey, hwinfo --memory returned: Memory Size: 896 MB, which is wrong.... is this similar to buffers+free, or is it a bork? |
| 02:22.21 | jetx | i have 1gig |
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| 02:22.47 | amphi | jetx: you need bigmem support in yr kernel |
| 02:22.57 | jetx | for 1 gig? |
| 02:23.23 | cafuego | jetx: Yes. |
| 02:23.28 | jetx | k thanks |
| 02:23.29 | pder | does linux support computer? |
| 02:23.31 | cafuego | jetx: Set it to 4GB |
| 02:23.38 | cafuego | pder: No, only abacus. |
| 02:23.38 | amphi | jetx: actually, see what top or free say - hwinfo seems b0rked |
| 02:23.39 | jetx | yeah i turn that one off |
| 02:23.50 | pder | cafuego: thanks |
| 02:24.10 | abrotman | jetx: which kernel ? |
| 02:24.25 | amphi | jetx: top says 1555276k total here, & hwinfo Memory Size: 896 MB |
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| 02:24.57 | jetx | 2.6.12 |
| 02:25.06 | abrotman | jetx: self compiled ? |
| 02:25.10 | jetx | yeah top and free are different here also |
| 02:25.12 | jetx | yes |
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| 02:25.31 | abrotman | !tell jetx about highmem |
| 02:26.05 | amphi | jetx: you should have CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y in yr kernel config file |
| 02:26.19 | jetx | i know i read the help on bigmem, i'll go read it again to confirm it's like i remember.... but ok i always turn that off. |
| 02:26.36 | abrotman | i vote for always having it o |
| 02:26.37 | abrotman | err it on |
| 02:26.52 | amphi | jetx: just grep yr config for CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G |
| 02:27.09 | jetx | i KNOW it's off, i always turn it off |
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| 02:27.26 | amphi | happy compiling ;) |
| 02:27.31 | jetx | :) |
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| 02:27.45 | cafuego | 10102 Main Memory |
| 02:27.55 | abrotman | jetx: you sohyuld turn that on |
| 02:28.04 | cafuego | Odd how it counts ram as 1GB + 512MB |
| 02:28.04 | jetx | yes father |
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| 02:28.54 | jim | here's another case of let him do what he wants... he knows how to read, so from now on he should be asked to |
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| 02:28.59 | audian | How do I remove something i've installed? |
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| 02:29.12 | jim | or better, should have done so by the time he got here |
| 02:29.23 | jetx | apt-get remove --purge is one way |
| 02:29.34 | jetx | apt-get remove is another |
| 02:29.37 | audian | i didnt get it with apt-get though |
| 02:29.39 | jetx | add packagename |
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| 02:29.49 | jim | audian: undo whatever you did to install it |
| 02:29.53 | jim | which was what/ |
| 02:29.54 | jim | ? |
| 02:29.58 | jetx | what did you get it with, or how did you install it |
| 02:29.59 | abrotman | audian: /msg dpkg refcard |
| 02:30.03 | jetx | did you d/l a .deb? |
| 02:30.09 | audian | tar.bz2 |
| 02:30.13 | jetx | ah |
| 02:30.18 | jim | no idea them |
| 02:30.20 | abrotman | !fucked |
| 02:30.20 | dpkg | it has been said that fucked is HA HA! |
| 02:30.21 | jetx | did you compile a .deb |
| 02:30.31 | clight | tar -zxvf |
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| 02:30.35 | clight | try that |
| 02:30.35 | jim | read the docs in the .tar.bz2 |
| 02:30.38 | jetx | lose the - |
| 02:30.41 | jim | read the makefile |
| 02:30.50 | jim | see what the install target did |
| 02:30.50 | jetx | adding a - borked tar out for me |
| 02:30.54 | audian | no just unpacked the tar.bz2 then did ./configure, make, make install |
| 02:31.04 | clight | audian, for tar.bz2 use : tar -xvjf file.tar.bz2 |
| 02:31.04 | cafuego | audian: Well. That was dumb. |
| 02:31.05 | jim | there ya go, that's about all we can do for ya :) |
| 02:31.06 | jetx | maybe there's an uninstall |
| 02:31.09 | jetx | g/luck |
| 02:31.12 | clight | ./configure, make install |
| 02:31.12 | jetx | read the makefile |
| 02:31.14 | clight | ops |
| 02:31.14 | abrotman | clight: you're not answering his question .. stop |
| 02:31.14 | amphi | audian: make uninstall if you're lucky |
| 02:31.15 | clight | make and install |
| 02:31.26 | jim | audian: then -all- my comments apply |
| 02:31.29 | cafuego | audian: If 'make uninstall' works you're in luck. Otherwise you'll have to manually remove all files. |
| 02:31.46 | cafuego | audian: That should teach you to not just install tarballs next time. |
| 02:31.47 | jetx | where did you put the stuff, /usr/local/blah ? |
| 02:31.49 | amphi | audian: failing that, make -n install | less & undo what it did ;) |
| 02:32.10 | audian | thanks, make uninstall worked |
| 02:32.16 | jetx | lucky you |
| 02:32.17 | jim | hmm, that's a pretty good suggestion |
| 02:32.18 | abrotman | you hope |
| 02:32.23 | jetx | next time you might not be |
| 02:32.29 | deeepz | dpkg:what is video bus card identifier |
| 02:32.30 | mwilson | You *hope* the uninstall target is complete. |
| 02:32.30 | dpkg | deeepz: what are you talking about? |
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| 02:32.43 | deeepz | i was told that it can be ssen in lspci command |
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| 02:32.52 | abrotman | deeepz: god damn it .. you've been told multiple times to just hit enter on that screen |
| 02:32.54 | amphi | deeepz: you can leave it blank if you only have one video card |
| 02:32.54 | deeepz | howebver the output does not show that |
| 02:32.56 | abrotman | YOU DON"T NEED IT! |
| 02:32.59 | cafuego | deeepz: You don't need the card identifier. |
| 02:33.01 | jetx | deeepz: leave that blank, but for an agp card it's usually PCI:1:0:0 |
| 02:33.07 | cafuego | deeepz: Next time, READ the screen. |
| 02:33.07 | jim | deeepz: you can... but if it's one card in your box, it will just find it |
| 02:33.08 | audian | bah... it still doesn't work =/ thought a reinstall would fix it.. |
| 02:33.08 | deeepz | i ahev done that |
| 02:33.14 | deeepz | still it does not work |
| 02:33.16 | jetx | but you don't exactly have an agp card in a slot |
| 02:33.24 | jetx | deeepz: that's not the problem then |
| 02:33.26 | deeepz | so i need to be specific now |
| 02:33.28 | jim | deeepz: why? |
| 02:33.37 | abrotman | deeepz: that is NOT the answer |
| 02:33.40 | jetx | deeepz: might be the i810 part |
| 02:33.42 | Guerin | abrotman: grep Stupidity /etc/deepz.conf : Stupidity = 100 |
| 02:33.48 | jetx | google it |
| 02:33.51 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:33.55 | jetx | oh shit |
| 02:34.05 | deeepz | hey guys i have never done this before |
| 02:34.09 | jetx | i810 in xfree86 isn't gonna support a 915 is it |
| 02:34.14 | abrotman | i'm not even sure that i915/930 is supported by sarge |
| 02:34.20 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 02:34.20 | dpkg | methinks sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 02:34.20 | deeepz | so i need ur help tah's it |
| 02:34.28 | Guerin | deeepz: what? Never followed COMPLETE, SPECIFIC and DETAILED instructions? I can see that. |
| 02:34.33 | ColonelKernel | you know, IM not ashamed to admit it either - but I get just as good/better performance out of debian than I do outta gentoo |
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| 02:34.47 | ColonelKernel | good friggin job on stable guys - I truly appreciate it |
| 02:35.00 | abrotman | ColonelKernel: we already knew that :) |
| 02:35.01 | Guerin | ColonelKernel: i'm doing a stage1 on reiser4 on my work box to see if I can raise a speed boost. |
| 02:35.02 | sith-R2D2 | quiet, why are you running irc as ROOT? |
| 02:35.04 | jetx | ok deeepz if you didn't catch that, your 915 isn't supported it seems |
| 02:35.08 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
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| 02:35.14 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 02:35.14 | deeepz | 915 is the problem |
| 02:35.16 | Xuse | lol out of all the distro's i've tried not anyone is faster or slower than the other. |
| 02:35.18 | sith-R2D2 | egg |
| 02:35.21 | sith-R2D2 | i like egg |
| 02:35.23 | jim | ColonelKernel: on a i386 arch? |
| 02:35.25 | abrotman | try vesa |
| 02:35.25 | sith-R2D2 | i want to write eggs all day |
| 02:35.28 | Guerin | !eggs sith-R2D2 |
| 02:35.34 | ColonelKernel | jim, yeah p4ht2.6 |
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| 02:35.48 | sith-R2D2 | quiet, that's better josh |
| 02:35.54 | quiet | thank you |
| 02:35.57 | quiet | ;) |
| 02:35.57 | ColonelKernel | really good stuff - the gnome is faster than 2.10 too |
| 02:36.01 | deeepz | may be x does not support intel 915 motherboard |
| 02:36.03 | sith-R2D2 | quiet, why are you running internet apps as ROOT? |
| 02:36.04 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 02:36.11 | quiet | i didn't realize |
| 02:36.25 | sith-R2D2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.25 | quiet | i just installed and was trying something |
| 02:36.25 | amphi | deeepz: give the vesa driver a try |
| 02:36.29 | quiet | was being dumb |
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| 02:36.32 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 02:36.36 | deeepz | ok let me check |
| 02:36.41 | jetx | 21.35.03 jetx ok deeepz if you didn't catch that, your 915 isn't supported it seems |
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| 02:37.09 | amphi | deeepz: you should learn to love trailing edge technology |
| 02:37.12 | nevyn | sid isn't unstable ENOUGH yet. where's x.org and kde34? sigh |
| 02:37.13 | carbon60 | Evening all. |
| 02:37.15 | quiet | anyways... i forgot the command that brings up the initial install menu where you get to choose apt repos and the install menu.. like "Desktop Environment" "Web Server" etc... |
| 02:37.19 | quiet | someone help me out |
| 02:37.24 | quiet | please :) |
| 02:37.25 | Guerin | nevyn: patience, grasshopper. |
| 02:37.34 | Guerin | quiet: tasksel |
| 02:37.36 | abrotman | quiet: apt-setup |
| 02:37.38 | jim | ColonelKernel: other than the kernel itself, i386 is fast for most programs... certain programs need specific support to be efficient... we've been saying this all along |
| 02:37.38 | amphi | quiet: apt-setup will let you choose repos |
| 02:37.41 | mwilson | nevyn: There's some sort of schedule? |
| 02:37.42 | quiet | thank you |
| 02:37.45 | hehe | well,where can buy transmeta cpu + mb ? |
| 02:37.46 | quiet | tasksel is what i wanted |
| 02:37.57 | nevyn | Guerin: just got a new box at work.... it has an RV280 in it... |
| 02:38.00 | jim | from transmeta? |
| 02:38.06 | abrotman | nevyn: gravity has the packages done or so he says |
| 02:38.08 | hehe | ... |
| 02:38.14 | deeepz | amphi:vesa does not work |
| 02:38.19 | tty12 | somebody heard to speak in: |
| 02:38.19 | jetx | they're still developing xfree86 then? |
| 02:38.19 | tty12 | passw |
| 02:38.19 | tty12 | d_ncsa |
| 02:38.19 | tty12 | ncsa!!! |
| 02:38.21 | Guerin | nevyn: no idea what one of those is |
| 02:38.25 | tty12 | ? |
| 02:38.25 | carbon60 | I'm trying to get the standard "smarthost" exim4 config to use port 2525 for outgoing mail. Adding port = 2525 to 30_exim4-config_remote_smtp_smarthost doesn't seem to have any effect. Ideas? |
| 02:38.26 | mwilson | abrotman: No, he says he has a first cut at them done. |
| 02:38.31 | hehe | I like it's VLIW |
| 02:38.33 | amphi | deeepz: how bizarre |
| 02:38.34 | nevyn | Guerin: radeon 9200 |
| 02:38.37 | mwilson | jetx: Where did you get the idea they weren't? |
| 02:38.48 | abrotman | mwilson: the ones he was going to upload to exp are available .. but says he may just bypass straight to sid |
| 02:38.51 | trave11er | abrotman: gravity made packages available on the net, but they are not uploaded yet |
| 02:39.00 | jetx | mwilson: out of the ether... w/o a radio though |
| 02:39.02 | abrotman | yes .. i think i said that :) |
| 02:39.08 | mwilson | abrotman: Really? Gods, I hope not. |
| 02:39.22 | mwilson | abrotman: Like there aren't enough stupids whining about unstable *now*. |
| 02:39.32 | abrotman | mwilson: not my decision .. |
| 02:39.37 | jetx | deeepz: do you have an i830 option by any chance? |
| 02:39.42 | hacim | waaah waahh unstable waahh unstable wahhh! |
| 02:39.43 | tty12 | they can helps I where to me I obtain material on this? I am needing to make a server squid q makes authentication in you scheme NT |
| 02:40.02 | abrotman | mwilson: how about a rushed broken one ? |
| 02:40.07 | jetx | 54. Add Intel(R) i945G support to the i830 driver (Tungsten Graphics). |
| 02:40.18 | Guerin | mwilson: i'd like to see two x servers in parallel |
| 02:40.39 | Guerin | so can continue using xfree if xorg is horribly broken |
| 02:40.47 | mwilson | But I'm in zero hurry to have xorg in any case. |
| 02:40.54 | jim | tty12: [ {one sentence} / {one idea} ] = 1 |
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| 02:41.06 | quiet | xorg is excellent IMHO |
| 02:41.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:41.29 | mwilson | quiet: And your quality assurance is based on...? |
| 02:41.33 | ixi | hi. I don't understand when /etc/network/if-up.d/* scripts are called. |
| 02:41.36 | quiet | freebsd? |
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| 02:41.51 | jetx | you need 3 varieties of beta testers: the gurus, the clubies, and somewhere in between |
| 02:41.56 | trave11er | hm, maybe i should try xorg out... |
| 02:42.07 | Bac9 | ixi: when the interface comes up |
| 02:42.12 | trave11er | to see what's the fuss is all about |
| 02:42.25 | pipeline | Studies show that there's really two kinds of beta testers: "Heroes" who do literally 10-100 times as much work as the others, and everyone else. |
| 02:42.30 | jim | ixi: at boot, when /etc/init.d/networking is called, on interfaces where there is an "auto <interfaceName>" in the config file |
| 02:42.33 | mwilson | When it finally *is* uploaded to unstable, I figure at least a month of keeping X on hold while the stupids shake out. |
| 02:42.47 | pipeline | Entire QA departments are frequently built on the backs of one or two star personnel |
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| 02:42.55 | Bac9 | jim: also called when you do ifup and the interface comes up, same procedure |
| 02:42.56 | jetx | so i guess getting the latest xfree86 and installing/compiling it might bork my box eh |
| 02:43.23 | Guerin | pipeline: interesting in conjunction with the 'great man' theory of history |
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| 02:43.24 | pipeline | Install it in /usr/local. |
| 02:43.43 | pipeline | It's not as if using XFree86 client libraries on a non-XF86 X server should break anything. |
| 02:43.47 | ixi | jim: ah, ok then. I thought ifup/ifdown do that :) |
| 02:43.52 | jetx | yeah i used to be the hero type |
| 02:43.57 | pipeline | Guerin: Also known as the "Moron audience" theory of history. |
| 02:44.06 | quiet | for the desktop that is just as... or at least close to as stable but with easier multimedia stuff... java and such is a pain for desktop use in freebsd |
| 02:44.07 | mwilson | abrotman: I make a lousy beta tester, because I couldn't care less whether something works for anyone else, as long as it works for *me*. |
| 02:44.11 | jim | ixi: you're also correct about that. |
| 02:44.23 | abrotman | mwilson: that's the way it should be! :) |
| 02:44.23 | jim | shit shit shit |
| 02:44.24 | mwilson | quiet: Gods, whoinhell cares about Java? |
| 02:44.26 | Guerin | pipeline: yeah. |
| 02:44.38 | jim | I forgot my jam session arrangement |
| 02:44.55 | jetx | you play bongos? |
| 02:44.56 | abrotman | jim: no more inhalants |
| 02:44.59 | quiet | mwilson: i have multiple applications i have to use for work which require java.... one of the most important being federal court records |
| 02:45.00 | jetx | j/k |
| 02:45.07 | ixi | jim: I've just created simple script in if-up.d which just echoes a symbol to a file, did up/down interface (which is auto) and nothing called |
| 02:45.22 | ajatollah | hi ppl, ok I'm a complete ignorant, (at least lately), can some one point me about why emacs wont bring up an x interface anymore in sarge?, I'mean, when I installed it worked, but I don't know what I did, it now stays in the terminal window :s |
| 02:45.37 | Bac9 | ixi: did you make the script executable? |
| 02:45.38 | jim | ixi: maybe has to be named something special |
| 02:46.02 | jim | well, bac9 is probably right too, unless script is sourced rather than ran |
| 02:46.04 | ixi | Bac9: sure |
| 02:46.24 | Bac9 | jim: it's executed from what I can tell, by something like run-parts |
| 02:46.46 | ixi | jim: if run-parts do the job then its strange.. Ok, I'll check how it is called in /etc/init.d/networking |
| 02:47.12 | tcsetattr | one odd thing about run-parts is that it skips files whose name contains a dot... |
| 02:47.26 | abrotman | yes it does .. found out the hard way :) |
| 02:47.26 | Bac9 | ixi: no special naming convention from what I recall |
| 02:47.51 | tty12 | I am needing to make a server squid q makes authentication in pc's twirling Windows NT... somebody knows? |
| 02:48.26 | tcsetattr | "Filenames should consist entirely of upper and lower case letters, digits, underscores, and hyphens." according to the man page |
| 02:48.47 | audian | How can I get my sound working? |
| 02:48.58 | e- | anyone here uses ddclient with dyndns.org? i remembered there's a line to update their server with my public IP instead of my LAN ip. |
| 02:49.42 | mwilson | e-: A "line"? |
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| 02:50.42 | e- | mwilson, one line to a url to get my public ip in ddclient.conf |
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| 02:52.11 | mwilson | e-: And you don't read the documentation because...? |
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| 02:52.36 | amphi | audian: alsaconf might be a start |
| 02:52.55 | audian | amphi, k |
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| 02:54.15 | ixi | jim: you were right, there are naming conventions - there must no be dots in name. <- Bac9 |
| 02:54.21 | MrKeuner | why is dvdrtools nonfree? |
| 02:54.41 | MrKeuner | I mean what part of it makes it nonfree? |
| 02:54.56 | abrotman | ask the maintainer .. or read the license |
| 02:54.59 | quiet | cause dvd's are encrypted and copyrighted and crap... i assume there are other reasonings as well |
| 02:55.11 | carbon60 | It seems that my port = 2525 isn't ending up in /var/lib/exim4/... |
| 02:55.14 | audian | amphi, where is alsaconf? |
| 02:55.26 | quiet | audian: if 'alsaconf' doesn't work |
| 02:55.29 | quiet | install alsa |
| 02:55.31 | ixi | Bac9: and you were right - if-up.d/* stuff is called directly from ifup/ifdown :) |
| 02:55.43 | Bac9 | ixi: oh ok, nice to know |
| 02:57.07 | tvn | anyone familiar with setting up UserDir under apache2 ? I uncomment all the commented lines related to UserDir, restart apache2 but have a 403 Forbidden error , the ~/public_html dir is set r+x to world |
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| 02:57.34 | carbon60 | In fact, none of my changes to "30_exim4-config_remote_smtp_smarthost" are getting written. |
| 02:58.37 | audian | amphi, I ran alsaconf and it didn't ffind anything |
| 02:59.06 | carbon60 | Oh for christ's sake. |
| 02:59.36 | amphi | audian: an snd_* modules loaded? are you sure the master vol is not muted? |
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| 02:59.58 | audian | amphi, dunnno what snd_* is but let me check master vol |
| 03:00.48 | audian | amphi, when I try to open volume control it says "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" |
| 03:00.57 | amphi | ah |
| 03:01.03 | Bac9 | tvn: if it's anything like apache1 then there's also a permissions section, not to mention the actual permission on the directory has to be world readable/executable (depending on what you want to see) |
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| 03:04.57 | liable | audian: type 'lsmod', see if any sound modules are loaded, if not, google your sound card and load the appropriate modules. |
| 03:05.20 | abrotman | hehe: i love you |
| 03:05.25 | hehe | ... |
| 03:05.47 | abrotman | !turing |
| 03:05.48 | dpkg | ...but I *AM* Turing complete!!!! |
| 03:05.49 | jaymes | question |
| 03:06.10 | jaymes | due to the opening of solaris, does that mean linux can incorporate its nifty features? |
| 03:06.24 | abrotman | depends on the solaris license .. i've not read it |
| 03:06.32 | abrotman | jaymes: but what nifty features do you speak of ? |
| 03:06.33 | acmguest | jaymes: perhaps. OS features will not be directly incorporated (CDDL is not GPL-compatible) |
| 03:06.35 | stew | !beer abrotman |
| 03:06.43 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 03:06.50 | acmguest | userland programs might be possible |
| 03:06.51 | stew | good trade |
| 03:06.51 | abrotman | stew: that was fortunate :) |
| 03:07.18 | jaymes | grr |
| 03:07.21 | acmguest | abrotman: DTrace is probably the best feature about Solaris 10, but also SMF (an advanced, parallel replacement for /sbin/init) |
| 03:07.22 | jaymes | stupid video card |
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| 03:07.42 | abrotman | acmguest: the parallel startup exists for linux |
| 03:07.46 | audian | liable, none are loaded, I don't have a sound card though, just the sound on my mobo which is karajan |
| 03:07.57 | jaymes | abrotman, didn't know that; what's it called? |
| 03:08.04 | acmguest | abrotman: not the same thing, not even close (with no disrespect meant to Linux) |
| 03:08.07 | abrotman | jaymes: uhm .. let me find the ibm article |
| 03:08.15 | abrotman | acmguest: it's "roughly the same" :) |
| 03:08.21 | liable | audian: well, off you go to see mr google :P |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html?ca=dgr-lnxw04BootFaster |
| 03:08.34 | abrotman | jaymes: |
| 03:08.35 | jaymes | acmguest, abrotman, isn't init a userspace program? |
| 03:08.36 | audian | liable, what should I search for, karajan sound modules? lol |
| 03:08.42 | abrotman | jaymes: for which OS ? |
| 03:08.50 | jaymes | abrotman, both, I thought |
| 03:08.52 | acmguest | yes, but init is special |
| 03:08.58 | acmguest | if init dies, the kernel panics |
| 03:09.02 | jaymes | I don't know too much about solaris |
| 03:09.32 | jaymes | acmguest, sure, but that's a kernel thing |
| 03:09.47 | jaymes | it would do the same if you used bash instead of init |
| 03:09.55 | acmguest | jaymes: correct |
| 03:09.57 | quiet | is j2re available? i can't seem to find it? |
| 03:10.03 | jaymes | or paralinit :) |
| 03:10.05 | abrotman | !tell quiet about install java |
| 03:10.08 | acmguest | the point is that init and the kernel have a special relationship |
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| 03:10.34 | hehe | free solaris is friend of java |
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| 03:11.02 | jaymes | acmguest, would that prevent drop in alternatives from replacing init? |
| 03:11.03 | quiet | so I have to get the sources from sun and built a package? |
| 03:11.03 | abrotman | tcsetattr: because it's stable ... |
| 03:11.14 | abrotman | quiet: yep .. actually it's pretty easy |
| 03:11.15 | tcsetattr | stable means no bug fixes? |
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| 03:11.26 | abrotman | tcsetattr: security or bug ? |
| 03:11.28 | acmguest | jaymes: it would not *prevent*. but init has to be written VERY carefully |
| 03:11.34 | quiet | grrr.... |
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| 03:11.41 | Guerin | i'd install opensolaris, but aiui it requires non-free stuff to build |
| 03:11.50 | audian | liable, I have no idea what im looking forr.. |
| 03:11.53 | fishhead | found a 3x scsi external cdrom in the trash, and after trying to md5 a iso file on a cdr (yes as a file because I know sectors vary trying to raread sectors), he discovers a excellent random number generator AS THE MD5 IS DIFFERENT TIME (#&#(*#&#(*&@)*#&@@# |
| 03:11.55 | abrotman | tcsetattr: security or bug ? |
| 03:12.00 | jaymes | acmguest, oh, I see what you mean; so it is immortal |
| 03:12.16 | abrotman | fishhead: guess why it was in the trash .... |
| 03:12.17 | stew | wheee, starting my 4th woody->sarge for today |
| 03:12.20 | tcsetattr | well, I'm not going to claim it's NOT a security hole... |
| 03:12.26 | abrotman | stew: you need a new hobby |
| 03:12.28 | fishhead | NA THERE WERE 4 |
| 03:12.28 | memin | Hello, does debian releases live cCds or DVDs? |
| 03:12.30 | fishhead | i think they were just outdated |
| 03:12.35 | fishhead | i wanted them for the cases and power supplies anyways |
| 03:12.35 | tcsetattr | all bugs are potential security problems when found in the right combination |
| 03:12.41 | stew | abrotman: s/hobby/job/ |
| 03:12.52 | abrotman | tcsetattr: unless it's a severe bug .. not likely to get fixed .. stable gets security .. and other than that .. only a few other fixes |
| 03:12.55 | stew | actually this is hobby, the other three were work |
| 03:12.56 | acmguest | newbie question: trying to install debian sarge inside a virtual machine (following instructions at http://cosi.clarkson.edu/knowledge/workshops/sp05/installingxen/xen-tutorial.html#Installing%20Debian%20Linux) |
| 03:12.57 | Guerin | memin: no |
| 03:13.02 | stew | upgrading the myth backend now |
| 03:13.13 | acmguest | and it says to create the file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:13.18 | memin | thanks Guerin |
| 03:13.19 | acmguest | what goes in that file? |
| 03:13.23 | tcsetattr | well I'm not going to sit around for 3 years with a broken zgrep... come on. |
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| 03:13.28 | Guerin | acmguest: man interfaces |
| 03:13.32 | amphi | acmguest: man 5 interfaces |
| 03:13.38 | abrotman | tcsetattr: what's broken about it ... is there a bug in the BTS ? |
| 03:14.19 | tcsetattr | it's a bug, it's been solved in BTS, the package has been fixed and uploaded, it just isn't in stable... it's been around long enough to get a reasonable amount of testing |
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| 03:14.31 | acmguest | thanks |
| 03:14.33 | tcsetattr | it doesn't work at _all_ when /bin/sh != bash |
| 03:14.40 | hehe | ? |
| 03:14.53 | abrotman | tcsetattr: you don't know how debian/stable works .. do you ? |
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| 03:15.10 | stew | when is /bin/sh != bash? |
| 03:15.14 | tcsetattr | I believe that bug fixes go into stable after being in testing for a while, don't they? |
| 03:15.15 | jetx | !xen |
| 03:15.15 | dpkg | i guess xen is A big iron tool for white-box PCs. Some say it's like IBM zSeries *NIX/390. Others say it's like VMware ESX Server. See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen ! -+Also takes 32 MB of RAM no matter what. |
| 03:15.21 | Guerin | tcsetattr: no. |
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| 03:15.31 | tcsetattr | or do stable users just have to live with bugs forever? |
| 03:15.32 | abrotman | tcsetattr: no .. they don't .. basically .. stable is a known set of bugs |
| 03:15.35 | hendry | Is there a guide to dist-upgrade to Debian ? Fix the APT GPG problems? |
| 03:15.45 | Guerin | tcsetattr: security fixes get backported, other things don't. |
| 03:15.46 | hendry | Is there a guide to dist-upgrade to Debian from UBUNTU? Fix the APT GPG problems? |
| 03:15.54 | Guerin | hendry: no. |
| 03:15.58 | stew | hendry: that doesn't make sense |
| 03:16.01 | abrotman | tcsetattr: have you tried contacting the maintainer ? |
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| 03:16.17 | hehe | tcsetattr: (no) |
| 03:16.30 | tcsetattr | why? This was reported several times to BTS by different people, I think it'd be rude to send yet another report of something that everyone is already aware of |
| 03:16.32 | concept10 | there is a guide in the debian docs to upgrade from another distro |
| 03:16.48 | abrotman | tcsetattr: i meant to ask him if it was fixed in sarge |
| 03:16.55 | stew | tcsetattr: critical bugs are fixed in stable, but not by going through testing |
| 03:17.19 | audian | liable, how do I find out what module to load? |
| 03:17.26 | hehe | tcsetattr: so carafuly |
| 03:17.31 | stew | tcsetattr: but the definition of critical might not be one you agree with |
| 03:17.54 | tcsetattr | OK, so "stable" is "you don't even get fixes for totally broken packages", and "testing" is "you don't get any assurances of any kind".... where's the middle ground, where bugs get FIXED and new ones don't flood in? |
| 03:18.09 | jaymes | re: ibm parallel init article: couldn't one figure out a service start order from debian package dependencies? |
| 03:18.14 | abrotman | tcsetattr: it might get fixed in stable .. |
| 03:18.18 | concept10 | hendry, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 03:18.26 | abrotman | tcsetattr: i think i told you to ask the maintainer .. that's how you'd find out |
| 03:18.31 | abrotman | !maint gzip |
| 03:18.34 | dpkg | gzip: Bdale Garbee <bdale@gag.com> |
| 03:18.37 | jaymes | or perhaps a distilled version of those dependencies |
| 03:18.47 | abrotman | see .. bug bdale .. i'm sure he has nothing else to do :) |
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| 03:19.15 | acmguest | jaymes: unfortunately, package dependencies are not the same as service dependancies |
| 03:19.30 | jaymes | acmguest, hmm, true |
| 03:19.30 | liable | audian: google dude, try 'linux karajan module kernel sound' keep try different combinations if you dont get anything, its prolly not supported. |
| 03:19.35 | tcsetattr | so actually _none_ of the debian distributions have a goal of minimizing the number of bugs? |
| 03:19.37 | sith-R2D2 | is anybody here NOT employed in the computer industry? |
| 03:19.42 | acmguest | GNOME does not depend on the "GTK service" |
| 03:19.42 | sith-R2D2 | i feel so alone sometimes |
| 03:19.45 | tcsetattr | stable = let old bugs stay, testing = let new bugs in |
| 03:20.05 | jaymes | sith-R2D2, I'm an IT guy that is becoming an AV guy, does that count? |
| 03:20.10 | amphi | tcsetattr: I find your optimism infectious ;) |
| 03:20.16 | sith-R2D2 | i feel like i'm a 5'6" basketball player hanging out with NBA guys |
| 03:20.17 | abrotman | tcsetattr: yes .. stable does .. |
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| 03:20.18 | acmguest | and a lot of packages have implicit dependancies, like "knows what the correct time is" or "network connection works" |
| 03:20.19 | stew | tcsetattr: if you are talking about a server, run stable. desktop? run testing and keep it behind a firewall |
| 03:20.28 | sith-R2D2 | jaymes, what is AV? audio visual? |
| 03:20.32 | jaymes | sith-R2D2, yes |
| 03:20.40 | sith-R2D2 | jaymes, y r u leaving IT? |
| 03:20.48 | abrotman | !aolify sith-R2D2 |
| 03:20.52 | sith-R2D2 | i feel like i'm a 5'6" highschool basketball player hanging out with NBA guys |
| 03:21.01 | amphi | sith-R2D2: don't repeat |
| 03:21.06 | tcsetattr | if the goal is to minimize the number of bugs, then it wouldn't make sense to say that bug fixes won't be included except for exploitable bugs |
| 03:21.11 | abrotman | and uhm .. mugsy was 5'6 |
| 03:21.11 | jaymes | sith-R2D2, I'm not; just expanding |
| 03:21.14 | audian | liable, What should I do with this alsa thing I installed? |
| 03:21.23 | jaymes | sith-R2D2, the two industries are converging as well |
| 03:21.25 | abrotman | tcsetattr: you're bitching at the wrong people |
| 03:21.25 | sith-R2D2 | audian, are you an IT guy? or a food science guy lik eme? |
| 03:21.38 | Belboz | Hey all, I'm trying to get the Nforce Audio drivers working on Sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel. The problem right now is that Alsa isn't functioning. I see in lsmod that nvsound is used by 0, and soundcore is used by 2 (nvsound and snd), any ideas? |
| 03:21.45 | abrotman | tcsetattr: that's just the way it is .. i told you twice now to contact the maintainer .. it may get in with 3.1r1 |
| 03:21.47 | liable | audian: it is absolutely no good to you, if you dont have a sound module. |
| 03:21.47 | audian | sith-R2D2, im uh.. i dunno =[ |
| 03:21.49 | xoz_ | !troll tcsetattr |
| 03:22.04 | tcsetattr | heh |
| 03:22.05 | sith-R2D2 | audian, you're a young one, right? |
| 03:22.18 | audian | sith-R2D2, 17 years young.. |
| 03:22.22 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 03:22.23 | sith-R2D2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.26 | tcsetattr | I want a stable distribution with a decreasing bug count... if that's trolling, I'm in the wrong universe |
| 03:22.41 | sith-R2D2 | good to see you have not succumbed to the dark side of M$ |
| 03:22.47 | abrotman | tcsetattr: i wish you the best of luck changing debian.. your first step is to become a DD |
| 03:22.54 | xoz_ | tcsetattr: DD |
| 03:23.00 | sith-R2D2 | i want my BBS door games! |
| 03:23.02 | sith-R2D2 | wah! |
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| 03:23.07 | trave11er | tcsetattr: bug number in stable will go down as new point releases appear |
| 03:23.10 | jaymes | double D? I love double Ds! |
| 03:23.11 | abrotman | sith-R2D2: do you have a debian question ? |
| 03:23.21 | trave11er | tcsetattr: if they are important enough to be fixed |
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| 03:23.43 | Belboz | anyone have any ideas on what I said? |
| 03:23.47 | sith-R2D2 | abrotman - yes...how many different backdoors are there to gaining root access with a GRUB bootloader? i know there's single-user mode...what else? |
| 03:23.54 | tcsetattr | I don't just bitch on IRC, I do submit patches.. |
| 03:24.01 | abrotman | sith-R2D2: are you saying you want to crack a machine ? |
| 03:24.08 | abrotman | sith-R2D2: and you want us to help you ? |
| 03:24.08 | sith-R2D2 | it seems like any linux guru could walk up to my computer and despite all the hardening i do, he could hit some obscure key combo and gain root access |
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| 03:24.17 | amphi | sith-R2D2: init=/bin/false |
| 03:24.20 | sith-R2D2 | abrotman, no...i'm trying to harden my desktop! |
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| 03:24.27 | abrotman | !debian harden |
| 03:24.31 | abrotman | !harden debian |
| 03:24.34 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 03:24.38 | trave11er | sith-R2D2: there is no security if you do not restrict physical access |
| 03:24.39 | abrotman | it's in there somewhere .. you fucking find it |
| 03:24.40 | stew | !security |
| 03:24.41 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 03:24.47 | sith-R2D2 | trave11er, i have a pad lock on my desktop lol |
| 03:24.49 | stew | no thats not it |
| 03:24.55 | abrotman | !harden-doc |
| 03:24.55 | dpkg | from memory, harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 03:24.56 | abrotman | !harden |
| 03:24.56 | dpkg | it has been said that harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 03:25.06 | Ick | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1469&item=5591163987 |
| 03:25.46 | sith-R2D2 | uh |
| 03:26.10 | audian | this search is going nowhere lol |
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| 03:27.21 | acmguest | continuation of my dumb question: man(5) of interfaces says: "See /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples for examples of what the script must print.". I don't see that file/directory :-( |
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| 03:27.56 | abrotman | acmguest: should be a directory |
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| 03:28.22 | acmguest | ls: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown: No such file or directory |
| 03:28.23 | Belboz | Hey, I'm trying to get nvsound (nvidia sound drivers) running on Sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel, anyone want to help me out? |
| 03:28.41 | abrotman | !nvsound |
| 03:28.41 | dpkg | hmm... nvsound is nvidia's closed-source OSS module. Highly unstable, do not bother using this with nforce1, 3, 4, or cheap nforce2 boards, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 work fine. However, on some nforce2 boards with "SoundStorm", you may wish to use it (emu10k1-style hardware mixing, and Dolby Digital encoding) |
| 03:29.06 | abrotman | !find doc/ifupdown |
| 03:29.12 | Belboz | okay, the problem I'm having is that the mic input has a loud buzz |
| 03:29.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'doc/ifupdown' (1 of 2): (/usr/share/doc/ifupdown-scripts-zg2/examples/if-scripts/ip-accounting, /usr/share/doc/ifupdown-scripts-zg2/{README.Debian.gz|TODO.Debian|changelog.Debian.gz|...}) in net/ifupdown-scripts-zg2. |
| 03:29.34 | abrotman | oh .. that worked well |
| 03:29.36 | Belboz | dpkg, I'm trying to use Skype, and the buzz is driving me batty |
| 03:29.36 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Belboz |
| 03:29.51 | abrotman | dpkg: how many pigs can fly? |
| 03:30.00 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 03:30.00 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:30.01 | Belboz | dpkg, microphone input, it has a loud buzzing sound |
| 03:30.07 | abrotman | dpkg: who owns you |
| 03:30.08 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 03:30.11 | abrotman | dpkg: where are you |
| 03:30.12 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 03:30.13 | audian | ARg.... what are some sound modules I can try.. im just gona use whatever sounds right >.> |
| 03:30.40 | abrotman | Belboz: did you try turning down the volume on the input or outputs ? |
| 03:30.57 | abrotman | Belboz: or moving the mic farther from the speakers ? and/or monitor |
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| 03:31.20 | sDES | Is it possible to user wpa_supplicant with madwifi drivers in Master mode ? |
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| 03:31.46 | tcsetattr | hmm... etch doesn't have the gzip fix either (gzip 1.3.5-11)... so it's sitting in unstable only |
| 03:31.50 | Nethox | sDES: in master mode you can't associate to any AP |
| 03:31.52 | Belboz | dpkg, I muted everything but mic input on OSS and ALSA, along with the input boost and mic boost, for some reason I can't get much at all without all four of those turned all the way up |
| 03:32.18 | stew | tcsetattr: whats the bug #? |
| 03:32.23 | sDES | Nethox: I am the access point... :) |
| 03:32.59 | tcsetattr | closes: #314342, #314211, #312380, #310329 |
| 03:33.03 | sDES | Nethox: That's why I use the pci card in master mode, to be an access point for my noteboook |
| 03:33.05 | Nethox | sDES: I know :). You want to authenticate users against a radius server? Its a matter of hostapd |
| 03:33.15 | tcsetattr | 4 different people complained to BTS about the same bug, it's THAT irritating :) |
| 03:33.17 | fishhead | http://www.fhmus.com/girls/covergirls/webb/1big.jpg <-- OH CANADA! and she plays video games too, omg grab my joystick! I TAKE BACK EVERYTHING I SAID BAD ABOUT CANADIANS |
| 03:33.28 | abrotman | fishhead: don't do that |
| 03:33.41 | abrotman | Belboz: is this a desktop ? |
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| 03:33.59 | sDES | So, I need to use hostapd ? No way to do it just with madwifi ... |
| 03:34.05 | sDES | ? |
| 03:34.08 | tcsetattr | running 3.0 stable a month ago: zgrep works; upgrade to 3.1 "stable": zgrep breaks. timetable for when stable zgrep will work again: __?__ |
| 03:34.11 | abrotman | Belboz: i used to get really bad interference on my desktop .. maybe try changing slots ? |
| 03:34.24 | abrotman | tcsetattr: email the maintainer .. ask him |
| 03:34.24 | cat-dog | hey |
| 03:34.42 | Nethox | sDES: no, its in the madwifi docs. |
| 03:35.01 | sDES | Nethox: I should have rtfm! :) Thanks m8 |
| 03:35.04 | Nethox | sDES: i mean its not possible just with drivers |
| 03:35.22 | audian | Why do these things have to be so complicated >.> |
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| 03:35.27 | amphi | tcsetattr: how is it broken? |
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| 03:36.29 | stew | amphi: #314342, #314211, #312380, #310329 |
| 03:36.34 | xoz_ | tcsetattr: can't you use unzip -c and grep to replace zgrep? there are many ways to replace zgrep. why the fuss? |
| 03:36.39 | Belboz | abrotman, it's onboard audio |
| 03:36.42 | amphi | stew: ta |
| 03:36.44 | abrotman | !dbug 314342 |
| 03:36.49 | tcsetattr | OK, for those of you just joining... I'm not complaining about the bug in zgrep. I can fix it myself. I'm observing, with some surprise, that trivial bug fixes do not get out to Debian stable users. |
| 03:36.50 | abrotman | Belboz: still could be interference |
| 03:36.55 | abrotman | !dbugs 314342 |
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| 03:36.58 | dpkg | DONE:#314342:N[gzip] zgrep broken in dash (patch) Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:18:03 UTC |
| 03:37.15 | Belboz | yeah, from what though? This system is practically bare |
| 03:37.33 | abrotman | cpu fan |
| 03:37.38 | abrotman | bad PSU .. bad power |
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| 03:37.47 | Belboz | hmm |
| 03:37.47 | xoz_ | tcsetattr: then goto DD or mailing list for developers. |
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| 03:38.03 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: I put the sticker on my lappy but it's backwards.. ;P |
| 03:38.08 | abrotman | Guerin: guess what! |
| 03:38.16 | xoz_ | tcsetattr: do you think it will be faster if you complain here? |
| 03:38.17 | TwistedLappy | The Linux Inside is inverted . |
| 03:38.22 | Belboz | abrotman, why is the volume so hard to get up on the mic? I have to have both the input gain and mic boost turned up |
| 03:38.22 | Guerin | abrotman: ummm... you got fired? |
| 03:38.29 | abrotman | Guerin: it's baaaack |
| 03:38.36 | deeepz | guys i have gone through xorg too there is also no support for 915 |
| 03:38.40 | abrotman | Belboz: dunno .. |
| 03:38.40 | Guerin | oh, joyous day. |
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| 03:38.41 | hehe | ? |
| 03:38.48 | abrotman | ! |
| 03:38.48 | Guerin | I might go and get drunk now. |
| 03:38.57 | abrotman | Guerin: good plan .. but isn't it like .. 6pm there ? |
| 03:38.59 | stew | Guerin: cheers |
| 03:39.01 | tcsetattr | I'm somewhat surprised that a bug can be called "closed" when the buggy package is still being actively distributed... |
| 03:39.11 | Guerin | abrotman: it's 1236 |
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| 03:39.15 | abrotman | tcsetattr: CONTACT THE MAINTAINER! |
| 03:39.21 | stew | and its saturday! |
| 03:39.27 | Nethox | deeepz: you must then use the vesa driver |
| 03:39.34 | hehe | Guerin: drink coffee? |
| 03:39.35 | Guerin | tcsetattr: is it a security issue? |
| 03:39.45 | Guerin | hehe: naw, coffee is bad for you. |
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| 03:39.47 | tcsetattr | 4 people already did contact the maintainer, through the BTS! wouldn't anything more just be piling on? |
| 03:39.52 | hehe | ... |
| 03:39.57 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 03:40.10 | drac | deeepz: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/snapshots, these ones have i915 support. |
| 03:40.16 | stew | shit |
| 03:40.17 | deeepz | vesa does not work |
| 03:40.18 | stew | i needed that |
| 03:40.22 | xoz_ | tcsetattr: so, if the maintainer is doing anything, what's the logical thing to do? troll here? |
| 03:40.23 | abrotman | tcsetattr: really .. contact bdale |
| 03:40.27 | audian | liable, Ok I think I found it >.> it says Linux ALSA driver.. blahblahblah... snnd-intel8x0 kernel module |
| 03:40.31 | xoz_ | *nothing* |
| 03:40.31 | hehe | deeepz: ? |
| 03:40.32 | Guerin | tcsetattr: stable doesn't mean 'no bugs' - it means 'known bugs' |
| 03:40.35 | trave11er | tcsetattr: all these bugs are closed |
| 03:40.38 | abrotman | stew: not today you don't! :) |
| 03:40.42 | stew | ok |
| 03:40.43 | liable | audian: give me the link? |
| 03:40.50 | tcsetattr | I would hope stable at least means no regressions from the previous stable |
| 03:40.52 | stew | abrotman: actually you are probably right |
| 03:40.53 | audian | liable, http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:fOKnMX6_nhUJ:www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Realtek_ALC200+realtek+ac%2797+sound+module+linux&hl=en&ie=UTF-8http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:fOKnMX6_nhUJ:www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Realtek_ALC200+realtek+ac%2797+sound+module+linux&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 |
| 03:41.01 | liable | sheesh |
| 03:41.03 | stew | abrotman: don't have anything to do this weekend for the first time in months |
| 03:41.04 | audian | liable, lol |
| 03:41.06 | amphi | deeepz: what error do you get when using the vesa driver? |
| 03:41.06 | abrotman | !cluebat tcsetattr |
| 03:41.13 | Guerin | tcsetattr: that's what's supposed to be ensurd by the pre-release process |
| 03:41.19 | tcsetattr | I only bring it up here to get a sense of the attitude of other users toward the issue; I think I've got that now :) |
| 03:41.24 | Decoy_Oct | i have xp on my fasttrak tx2000 raid card and i cant get "ntldr" to boot linux on my reg HDD. any help? |
| 03:41.37 | Decoy_Oct | debian btw |
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| 03:41.39 | abrotman | stew: i'm gonna try to do the perkiomen trail tomorrow with a friend .. i hope he can finish it .. it's only 20 miles |
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| 03:41.46 | stew | abrotman: cool |
| 03:41.52 | stew | abrotman: i got 30 miles in today |
| 03:41.58 | mwilson | Oh, great |
| 03:42.02 | abrotman | stew: i may die .. it's supposed to be 90-95 |
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| 03:42.14 | hehe | ? |
| 03:42.15 | stew | abrotman: buck up, drink some water before bed |
| 03:42.17 | Guerin | ... oh, you mean on bikes? |
| 03:42.22 | stew | yeah |
| 03:42.25 | mwilson | fsck |
| 03:42.28 | abrotman | stew: i'll stick with nothing .. |
| 03:42.29 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:42.39 | xoz_ | tcsetattr: it's about choosing what the proper act to do. we already heard you. it becomes irritating if you keep on talking about it. |
| 03:42.41 | mwilson | Now mysql-query-browser wants me to install hal |
| 03:42.44 | stew | whatever um, floats your boat |
| 03:42.48 | audian | liable, so how do I load that up or whatever |
| 03:42.54 | deeepz | amphi:no error |
| 03:42.54 | Decoy_Oct | i have xp on my fasttrak tx2000 raid card and i cant get "ntldr" to boot debian (sarge) linux on my reg HDD. any help? |
| 03:42.56 | mwilson | Like I really want that broken crap on a box I control. |
| 03:42.57 | abrotman | stew: i don't really dehydrate unless it;s alcohol related |
| 03:43.02 | tcsetattr | OK, I'm not talking about it! It keeps getting dragged on because more people are jumping in after it should have been over |
| 03:43.05 | liable | audian: modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 03:43.12 | Guerin | Decoy_Oct: you neetd to repeat at leats once per minute |
| 03:43.12 | amphi | deeepz: so in what way does it not work? |
| 03:43.17 | deeepz | when i say /etc/x11/gdm restart it mereley blinks the screen |
| 03:43.17 | Guerin | otherwise you just get lost in the noise |
| 03:43.25 | stew | abrotman: you are lucky. on my daily rides i drink 48 oz of fluids and lose 4 pounds |
| 03:43.28 | audian | liable, Can''t local module snd-intel8x0 |
| 03:43.31 | Nethox | I am seeing that Sarge install a 2.4.x kernel by default, Is it then more stable than using a 2.6.x one? |
| 03:43.32 | Guerin | Decoy_Oct: also just /msg random people out of the blue and annoy them |
| 03:43.33 | deeepz | then i message |
| 03:43.53 | audian | liable, locate* |
| 03:43.54 | abrotman | stew: jeez .. that doesn't happen for me .. last time i went for a long ride .. bout 15 miles of trail .. i drank .. maybe 24oz |
| 03:43.54 | hehe | Nethox: maybe |
| 03:44.05 | deeepz | could not be configured do u want to see thedetails |
| 03:44.09 | deeepz | bla cla bla |
| 03:44.26 | hehe | Nethox: many many releases... so |
| 03:44.39 | stew | abrotman: yeah i sweat like crazy. first time i did philly marathon I lost 13 pounds during the race. its a real problem for me |
| 03:44.39 | abrotman | stew: maybe i am dehydrated and i just don't know it :) |
| 03:44.44 | Decoy_Oct | geurin can you help me? |
| 03:44.44 | deeepz | nethox:do i need to compile that xorg stuff |
| 03:44.46 | liable | audian: you have a standard kernel? what version? |
| 03:44.50 | stew | abrotman: nah, you'd know it |
| 03:44.53 | hehe | Nethox: I like kernel 2.4.x |
| 03:44.55 | deeepz | for my 915 support |
| 03:44.58 | audian | liable, 2.4.27 |
| 03:45.01 | abrotman | stew: holy crap .. you should duct tape your body before starting :) |
| 03:45.06 | Nethox | hehe: you mean many releases in 2.6? |
| 03:45.08 | Guerin | Decoy_Oct: no. |
| 03:45.15 | stew | abrotman: hah, somehow i don't think it would help |
| 03:45.18 | hehe | Nethox: 2.4 |
| 03:45.28 | abrotman | stew: no .. but you'd look pretty funny |
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| 03:45.36 | xoz_ | stew: bring a dextrose |
| 03:45.36 | stew | well thats not what i'm going for... |
| 03:45.42 | abrotman | yeah .. i know |
| 03:45.43 | drac | deeepz: if you want i915 xorg-driver.. |
| 03:45.50 | hehe | Nethox: because some old apps... 2.4 is good |
| 03:45.51 | liable | audian: install a newer one, ie 2.6.8, or install the alsa modules |
| 03:46.26 | audian | liable, Whats the command for the alsa modules? |
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| 03:46.33 | Nethox | hehe: oh, ok; I am planning a server installation, thanks |
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| 03:46.46 | hehe | Nethox: you must be |
| 03:47.15 | deeepz | drac:what's next |
| 03:47.30 | deeepz | does xorg latest snapshot support i915 |
| 03:47.38 | croddy | exim4 always takes exactly 60 seconds to start up -- this is extremely annoying. i have edited /etc/hosts over and over again -- any ideas? |
| 03:47.57 | liable | audian: bah, just looking, I thought there was an extra package for 2.4 kernels. Install a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 03:48.09 | Bac9 | croddy: it's doing host lookup, it's one of the options in the config file |
| 03:48.10 | mwilson | croddy: You care how long it takes to start up because...? |
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| 03:48.19 | Bac9 | croddy: dns something or other |
| 03:48.20 | audian | liable, Is it hard to install a new kernel? |
| 03:48.38 | hehe | Nethox: I hope that there is a 'double stable' release of debian |
| 03:48.42 | Bac9 | croddy: turn it off, some simle lookup or somesuch option and it'll start up faster |
| 03:48.47 | gboutwell | Apache 2.0.x from backports.org... Does it support IPv6? |
| 03:48.58 | liable | audian: no, I think you need to do a bit of reading, for basic administration though. |
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| 03:49.15 | mwilson | gboutwell: You wouldn't just look at the package because...? |
| 03:49.31 | croddy | Bac9: it does not matter whether dc_minimaldns='false' or 'true. it still takes 60 seconds. |
| 03:49.31 | Nethox | hehe: do you think that it can be quite more stable than now is? |
| 03:49.35 | amphi | audian: not if you take it handy and read the docs - tldp.org is worth having a look at, IIRC there's a kernel howto, probably rather out of date |
| 03:49.50 | hehe | Nethox: I thinks so |
| 03:50.05 | mwilson | croddy: Was that what he told you to look at? No? I didn't think so. |
| 03:50.07 | Bac9 | croddy: then check the config files, maybe the settings didn't go in right, but that's what fixed it for me |
| 03:50.07 | hehe | Nethox: (maybe) |
| 03:50.12 | Guerin | gboutwell: why are you using backports.org? apache2 is in stable. |
| 03:50.15 | liable | audian: read a howto on apt-get. |
| 03:50.23 | Guerin | !pkgmgmt |
| 03:50.23 | dpkg | pkgmgmt is probably Debian Package Management - Most Important Commands: http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or 'man apt-get'; 'man apt-cache', or apt-get install apt-dpkg-ref, or ask me about apt howto |
| 03:50.30 | mwilson | Why's he using Apache 2 at all, for that matter. |
| 03:50.32 | hehe | Nethox: older and stable |
| 03:50.42 | liable | Guerin: thanks for that. |
| 03:50.42 | croddy | mwilson: yes, it was. now shut up. |
| 03:50.50 | Bac9 | croddy: I had some problems with exim4 and debhelper so I always ended up fixeing the config files by hand |
| 03:50.52 | liable | audian: read what dpkg just said |
| 03:50.53 | amphi | audian: install the debian reference if you haven't already |
| 03:51.00 | gboutwell | Guerin: It wasn't when I first started using it. |
| 03:51.36 | Guerin | gboutwell: you ought to be keeping your box up-to-date, particularly if it's a webserver. |
| 03:52.07 | gboutwell | mwilson: What would I examine in the package that would tell me if it supported IPv6 or not? |
| 03:52.07 | cafuego | YOU LIE!!! |
| 03:52.24 | liable | !tell audian about apt howto |
| 03:52.28 | Guerin | !tranquilise cafuego |
| 03:52.31 | de_mon | how would I go about setting up a VPN between two 192.168.2.0/24 subnets? |
| 03:52.47 | sith-R2D2 | question - can i access the GUI of a windows machine from a debian workstation with tightVNC? |
| 03:52.50 | Nethox | hehe: maybe I haven't test the stable release enough to be able to say something like this, maybe after this instalation... |
| 03:53.19 | gboutwell | Guerin: I am... at least with the backports.org stuff... I'll check out the woody packages. And my web-site isn't much more than a personal web-site with hardly any traffic. |
| 03:53.22 | mwilson | sith-R2D2: Nah... all that documentation about how VNC works on Windows... it's all lies. Why, there's not even a VNC distribution of any sort at all for Windows. |
| 03:53.33 | de_mon | although both networks use unique addresses, I'm starting to think its not possible. |
| 03:53.59 | sith-R2D2 | mwilson, are you kidding? i was able to run a tightVNC viewer in winxp to ssh tunnel into my debian box |
| 03:54.05 | sith-R2D2 | but now i want to do the reverse |
| 03:54.07 | Guerin | gboutwell: my point is that woody is now obsolete. Sarge is the new stable. If you just upograde to it, you'll hgave official, supported apache2 packages at your disposal. |
| 03:54.26 | mwilson | sith-R2D2: Why, I'll bet you that those pre-compiled packages of tightVNC for Windows are all filled with just nulls or something. |
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| 03:54.43 | sith-R2D2 | mwilson, they must be, or i must be high on SUM CRUNK NIKKA |
| 03:54.48 | sith-R2D2 | cumma sum laude |
| 03:55.09 | sith-R2D2 | magna cum laude |
| 03:55.10 | gboutwell | Guerin: Yes... Well I'm in the stages of planning a new box, with Sarge as my base install among other change that I just don't want to do all on the woody one I have now (for numerous reasons) |
| 03:55.11 | croddy | sith-R2D2: just go ahead and /ignore it now, mwilson never has anything useful to say |
| 03:55.19 | sith-R2D2 | croddy, :) thanks |
| 03:55.22 | mwilson | Surely the tightVNC website wouldn't *DARE* to actually distribute a VNC server for Windows. |
| 03:55.28 | Guerin | i love the smell of braincells burning in the mornin' |
| 03:55.28 | sith-R2D2 | lol! |
| 03:55.43 | LinuxJones | mwilson, why not give him some usefull info as opposed to your useless spam ? |
| 03:55.47 | mwilson | Or the RealVNC web site, or any of the other ones that claim to. |
| 03:55.57 | Guerin | LinuxJones: HE IS |
| 03:56.02 | Guerin | jesus |
| 03:56.15 | sith-R2D2 | LinuxJones, his sarcastic replies were actually ehlpful |
| 03:56.16 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 03:56.18 | Guerin | this isn't rocket science, and it's certainly not undocumented rocket science |
| 03:56.36 | xoz_ | criminal mind in *action* |
| 03:56.38 | sith-R2D2 | Guerin, i'm not a IT/CS/EE guy...all this is kind of scary to me... |
| 03:56.46 | LinuxJones | Guerin, yeha that applies to his first 2 responses to him, how ? |
| 03:56.57 | sith-R2D2 | i feel like a highschool basketball player hanging out in the NBA locker room |
| 03:57.14 | sith-R2D2 | junior high |
| 03:57.15 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 03:57.27 | audian | I wonder if I can use apt-get to install the kernel? |
| 03:57.29 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: i'm a fucking libarts student who's never worked in IT. Cry me a river. |
| 03:57.40 | Guerin | audian: course you can. |
| 03:57.44 | sith-R2D2 | Guerin, really? what do you study? french literature? :) |
| 03:57.52 | audian | I mean from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 03:58.01 | ColonelKernel | cleveland steamer |
| 03:58.20 | audian | I just need a ftp server that has it to put into my sources file |
| 03:58.23 | ColonelKernel | I still cant friggin get proper xv overlay support |
| 03:58.27 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: I studied theatre, film and comparative literature, and I'm currently an ESL teacher in korea. |
| 03:58.36 | amphi | audian: apt-setup |
| 03:58.40 | ColonelKernel | I think its a limitation in the xv overlay on my nvidia 6600 card |
| 03:58.48 | audian | amphi, ? |
| 03:58.53 | sith-R2D2 | Guerin, do u like korean girls? |
| 03:59.03 | sith-R2D2 | have you seen korean girls use debian? |
| 03:59.12 | Guerin | audian: aptitude search kernel-image-2.6 ; pick one, and install it with aptitude install <packagename> |
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| 03:59.47 | amphi | audian: apt-setup lets you choose a debian mirror |
| 04:00.04 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: no. Every korean I've ever met is a mindless windows zombie. With one exception, and he hangs out here from time to time. |
| 04:00.37 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: and I'm unclear on what you mean by 'like korean girls' |
| 04:01.26 | mwilson | ColonelKernel: And you think that because...? |
| 04:01.28 | jaymes | gah, what's that new remixed 80s song? |
| 04:01.43 | Guerin | jaymes: practically all of them? |
| 04:01.47 | jaymes | heh |
| 04:01.47 | sith-R2D2 | Guerin, i heard mmoRPGs are big in south korea...like lineage 2 etc. s. korea is the most wired country on the earth |
| 04:01.48 | ColonelKernel | mwilson, because other 6600 users have the same problem. |
| 04:01.55 | sith-R2D2 | so why no DEBIAN in s. korea? |
| 04:02.04 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: i have 100 megabit full-dup internet at home |
| 04:02.13 | sith-R2D2 | Guerin, how much $ /mo? |
| 04:02.14 | sith-R2D2 | omg |
| 04:02.22 | jaymes | there's one with a techno beat under it...canNOT think what the name is |
| 04:02.33 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: oh, there IS debian here... it's just not widely used. Documentation not being in korean is a barrier. |
| 04:02.42 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: US$30 |
| 04:02.58 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: but it's currently fere, because the provider is too incompetent to debit my account |
| 04:03.01 | Bac9 | Guerin: what's a loaf of bread go there for? |
| 04:03.05 | Guerin | free, even |
| 04:03.11 | xoz_ | korea is the most wired nation |
| 04:03.20 | Bac9 | Guerin: just as a basic comparison |
| 04:03.20 | Guerin | Bac9: not a good benchmark, since koreans don't eat bread. About $2 |
| 04:03.45 | Bac9 | Guerin: so I guess then it's about the same as USA? |
| 04:03.51 | Guerin | Bac9: cost of living is a bit higher than .us AIUI |
| 04:03.58 | Bac9 | Guerin: the dent to the wallet I mean? |
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| 04:04.03 | Guerin | Bac9: a lot highe rthan NZ, where I'm from |
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| 04:04.34 | cafuego | Bac9: You're assuming that somehow the US is all wired up and modern |
| 04:04.46 | cafuego | Id'c ehck the basic facts first |
| 04:04.51 | Bac9 | Guerin: so then I guess it's a good price, not a big dent in wallet? |
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| 04:05.03 | Bac9 | cafuego: no I am comparing prices |
| 04:05.22 | Guerin | Bac9: oh, w30k/month is nothing. You spend that in a night on beers without trying. |
| 04:05.26 | Bac9 | cafuego: using something that's a reasonable comparison as actual amounts don't say much |
| 04:05.30 | luisand | Hello everybody! |
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| 04:05.42 | cafuego | Guerin: <heh> |
| 04:05.46 | Bac9 | Guerin: :-) |
| 04:05.59 | sith-R2D2 | Guerin, do you find korean women attractiveZ? |
| 04:06.07 | luisand | I am newbie in Linux and have a question. Could you please help me? |
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| 04:06.18 | sith-R2D2 | luisand, just ask it |
| 04:06.22 | sith-R2D2 | luisand, don't ask to ask |
| 04:06.27 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: not really. I find them juvenile, manipulative and annoying, by and large. |
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| 04:06.32 | luisand | Thanks |
| 04:06.41 | sith-R2D2 | Guerin, so why doy ou want to go all the way to korea to teach english? |
| 04:06.41 | Bac9 | Guerin: so "you spend that in a night on beers without trying" or coreans? considering from what I've heard asians have lower tolorance to alcahol |
| 04:06.42 | cafuego | Bac9: Cost of broadband in Big Macs per GB? ;-) |
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| 04:06.46 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: practically every other whitey here does, though. |
| 04:06.58 | Guerin | Bac9: koreans are pretty big drinkers. |
| 04:07.09 | sith-R2D2 | for the korean boys? |
| 04:07.09 | sith-R2D2 | K-boys? lol |
| 04:07.09 | sith-R2D2 | anna huh say yo? |
| 04:07.14 | luisand | What do you think about the comments of Theo from OpenBSD about Linux? |
| 04:07.16 | audian | that probly wasn't good... I tried to install the kernel with aptitude and it like.. removed every program I had and then stopped >.> |
| 04:07.27 | cafuego | luisand: Any debian questions? |
| 04:07.31 | Bac9 | cafuego: not everywhere in the world do they eat bigmacs |
| 04:07.32 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: see the world, earn a bit of money, etc. |
| 04:07.43 | empty | so is the Security Team at a monthlong conference far from net access or something? O_o |
| 04:07.51 | Bac9 | cafuego: and some places in that world that have bigmacs they are not really afordable to most people |
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| 04:07.52 | cafuego | Bac9: I know, but it used to be a basic econimic indicator. |
| 04:07.58 | cafuego | economic too. |
| 04:08.02 | sith-R2D2 | Guerin, how much longer for your korean experience? maybe you should head to sweden to teach english to young swedish girls |
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| 04:08.05 | jasoncohen | empty, lol, apparently |
| 04:08.20 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: i don't like young girls. Well, not for sex, anyway. |
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| 04:08.32 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: which is a good thing, since I teach elementary and middle school. |
| 04:08.42 | Bac9 | cafuego: only in north america and western europe, everywhere else it will not work, well maybe oz |
| 04:08.42 | jasoncohen | empty, http://newraff.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html - i know for a fact there are updates available that have been sent to the security team but haven't been uploaded |
| 04:09.02 | cafuego | Bac9: yeah, oz too. |
| 04:09.16 | Bac9 | sith-R2D2: what's whith your obsession? |
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| 04:09.33 | cafuego | Bac9: I'm pretty sure korea would have a fair few McVenues too, though. |
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| 04:09.37 | jasoncohen | empty, yeah - it was spamassassin. a fixed package was sent to the security team on the 16th of july. it's now the 25th and nothing - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314447 |
| 04:09.42 | kadigibox | I am haveing a problem. update-menus is not updateing the menus. I restarted x and I also restarted the whole computer and the menus wont update. could someone help me figure out what is wrong |
| 04:09.45 | jasoncohen | make that june |
| 04:09.49 | Bac9 | cafuego: wouldn't know |
| 04:10.03 | empty | jasoncohen, those are for testing not stable |
| 04:10.30 | cafuego | www.mcdonalds.co.kr |
| 04:10.30 | Guerin | Bac9: it does still work in korea - a bigmac is more expensive; about $6 for the meal - but that probably reflects the higher cost of western stuff. |
| 04:10.30 | jasoncohen | empty, i know- but there have been no security updates to sarge at all |
| 04:10.34 | empty | wow holy shit |
| 04:10.44 | luisand | Any comments about my question? |
| 04:10.45 | jasoncohen | empty, nothing since june 6th meaning that all those problems effect sarge as well |
| 04:10.45 | audian | Hmm... there is a option whenn you install with the net installer to download groups of packages,, like "Desktop environment" how do I go about that from a terminal? |
| 04:10.48 | empty | that was one hell of a netsplit |
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| 04:11.04 | Bac9 | Guerin: you'd know better then I, so I stick to things that I'd assume would be more common like basic foods |
| 04:11.13 | cafuego | luisand: Yes. It's not a debian question. Apart fom that, theo de Raadt is on crack at the best of times. |
| 04:11.13 | jetx | wtf |
| 04:11.15 | empty | jasoncohen, not necessarily |
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| 04:11.23 | sith-R2D2 | ;) |
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| 04:11.26 | jetx | wtf just happened |
| 04:11.26 | sith-R2D2 | helloanyone? |
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| 04:11.49 | empty | jetx, I think maybe California finally decided to get it over with and slide into the pacific |
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| 04:12.02 | cafuego | Nooo! Not yet! |
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| 04:12.07 | jasoncohen | empty, there haven't been security updates since june 3rd meaning that spamassassin, sudo, gaim and probably others are vulnerable because the versions vulnerable in testing are either identical to that of sarge or are also vulnerable in sarge |
| 04:12.11 | jetx | i lost connectivity to a whole bunch of shit |
| 04:12.15 | Oddi | sith-R2D2: ATB is glory |
| 04:12.21 | audian | erm |
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| 04:12.24 | Guerin | Bac9: common foods in korea aren't really comparable with the west. |
| 04:12.28 | sith-R2D2 | Oddi, :) !! ATB!! |
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| 04:12.30 | jetx | connection refused by debian.org and google.com ? |
| 04:12.34 | Oddi | =D |
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| 04:12.43 | kadigibox | I am haveing a problem. update-menus is not updateing the menus. I restarted x and I also restarted the whole computer and the menus wont update. could someone help me figure out what is wrong |
| 04:12.44 | sith-R2D2 | Guerin, do any koreans who use debian have kimchi fetish? |
| 04:12.49 | audian | sith-R2D2, how do I install this kernel with apt-get? |
| 04:12.54 | luisand | OK. Thanks. (Gracias cafuego, pero Debian es Linux, y al nivel de un novato es importante saber sobre esto) |
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| 04:13.14 | empty | jetx it's nucular war omfgwtfbbq gotta go duck n cover later all hope u dont glo tonight |
| 04:13.14 | jetx | heh |
| 04:13.14 | sith-R2D2 | audian, apt-get update && upgrade i think |
| 04:13.14 | amphi | kimchi is a damn good breakfast |
| 04:13.24 | jetx | kimchi stinks |
| 04:13.24 | empty | amphi, foul |
| 04:13.32 | cafuego | luisand: Sorry, maar daar snap ik dus geen hol van. We spreken hier engels, ik dacht dat dat duidelijk was |
| 04:13.33 | jetx | but loved by millions |
| 04:13.36 | jasoncohen | audian, what kernel are you trying to install? |
| 04:13.38 | sith-R2D2 | KIM CHI made with oysters...now THAT"S nasty |
| 04:13.41 | amphi | empty: hot & sour, excellent |
| 04:13.48 | audian | jasoncohen, trying to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 in sarge |
| 04:13.50 | jetx | s/stinks/stinks_to_me/ |
| 04:13.51 | sith-R2D2 | sometimes korean debian users eat kim chi made with oysters...that is disgusting |
| 04:13.52 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: kimchi is korea's national food - of course they love it. It's thousands of years of tradition in a mouthful. |
| 04:14.03 | sith-R2D2 | Guerin, with oyster! |
| 04:14.08 | cafuego | sith-R2D2: Anything done to oysters that doesn't involve kilpatrick is NASTY |
| 04:14.08 | sith-R2D2 | omg stench |
| 04:14.11 | luisand | Ok. Thanks. Bye |
| 04:14.14 | audian | jasoncohen, also.. when I used aptitude it removed like all my programs.. any way to get them back? |
| 04:14.14 | deeepz | i915 support in x |
| 04:14.14 | deeepz | <deeepz> i am downloadnig xorg latest release |
| 04:14.14 | deeepz | <deeepz> any other solution |
| 04:14.15 | jasoncohen | audian, uname -r |
| 04:14.17 | deeepz | i915 support in x |
| 04:14.18 | deeepz | <deeepz> i am downloadnig xorg latest release |
| 04:14.18 | deeepz | <deeepz> any other solution |
| 04:14.24 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: weakling. The stuff with oysters and fishpaste and baby shrimp is fine. |
| 04:14.24 | jasoncohen | audian, um, why did you let it remove them? |
| 04:14.26 | jetx | shrimp&lobster baybee |
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| 04:14.35 | initech | rotten cabbage with spoiled oysters? yum |
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| 04:14.41 | Guerin | deeepz: please report to the termination chambers. |
| 04:14.48 | jasoncohen | audian, an example would be apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 04:14.50 | Guerin | initech: not rotten, not spoiled. |
| 04:14.51 | deeepz | why |
| 04:14.56 | cafuego | deeepz: before doing that, please unplug your mouse. |
| 04:14.57 | audian | jasoncohen, I just told it to install kernel-image-2.6 blaah blah and it started removing them all |
| 04:14.58 | deeepz | Guerin |
| 04:15.11 | Bac9 | sith-R2D2: and how are your music preferences supposed to explain your aparent other obsessions? |
| 04:15.17 | audian | jasoncohen, yeah I did that already, but my kernel is still 2.4 |
| 04:15.19 | deeepz | ok let me do that |
| 04:15.24 | initech | fermented cabbage with spoiled rotten oysters ... yum |
| 04:15.29 | Bac9 | Guerin: so mostly rice and seafood? (aside from dog) |
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| 04:15.31 | sith-R2D2 | Bac9, i'm learning debian while listening to trance music. and it is good. :) |
| 04:15.36 | jasoncohen | audian, well, when aptitude tries to do that, you don't let it |
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| 04:15.49 | jasoncohen | there's no reason installing a new kernel should remove all your packages...and probably shouldn't remove any |
| 04:15.57 | audian | jasoncohen, ooo to late =[ any way to install them all again? |
| 04:16.01 | Bac9 | sith-R2D2: and what are you smoking? |
| 04:16.06 | sith-R2D2 | Bac9, weed |
| 04:16.07 | empty | Guerin, you are about to make me --purge stomach |
| 04:16.22 | Bac9 | sith-R2D2: yeah, it shows |
| 04:16.27 | cafuego | jasoncohen: It might if you first remove your only other kernel and say 'Y' when dpkg asks if it's Ok to remove your entire system. |
| 04:16.27 | sith-R2D2 | Bac9, i have weed, trance music, beer, some porn in another window, irc, and learning debian. it rules man. |
| 04:16.32 | jasoncohen | audian, i don't suppose you saved a list of the packages you had installed? |
| 04:16.39 | empty | sith-R2D2, you forgot the s at the end |
| 04:16.41 | Guerin | Bac9: riceand kimchi at every meal, usually with fish and/or pork. |
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| 04:16.47 | jasoncohen | cafuego, see- that's when reading comes in handy :) |
| 04:16.59 | Bac9 | sith-R2D2: it's all in your mind |
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| 04:17.03 | jasoncohen | and why would anyone remove the old kernel BEFORE testing to make sure the new kernel works? |
| 04:17.04 | cafuego | jasoncohen: Reading, is that something to do with faxing? |
| 04:17.09 | audian | jasoncohen, well I used the net install iso and it was a group of packages called "Desktop environment" |
| 04:17.11 | sith-R2D2 | initech, LOL! |
| 04:17.20 | sith-R2D2 | initech, don't forget the rice! |
| 04:17.24 | empty | initech, keep it up and you can have desert off my keyboard |
| 04:17.27 | Guerin | empty: gah, there's nothing wrong with it. Nothing like as disgusting as american food - 6kg burger, anyone? |
| 04:17.28 | Bac9 | Guerin: you'd need rice if you have kimchi |
| 04:17.37 | Guerin | Bac9: ? |
| 04:17.40 | empty | Guerin, one word: natto |
| 04:17.42 | Bac9 | Guerin: so that's kinda a given, hard to eat them seperate |
| 04:17.50 | jasoncohen | audian, i think that installs the meta packages gnome and kde |
| 04:17.54 | initech | empty: yummy, if you could puke now, please |
| 04:17.55 | jasoncohen | audian, apt-get install gnome kde |
| 04:17.59 | Guerin | Bac9: ... |
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| 04:18.08 | Guerin | wtf is natto? |
| 04:18.24 | empty | initech, wish I'd thought to eat a maraschino cherry before dinner so that could end up on top for you :( |
| 04:18.29 | Bac9 | Guerin: but is pork really that popular there? any other meat? |
| 04:18.42 | audian | jasoncohen, I don't think it uninstalled kde because im still in it.. and i updated it to 3.4 |
| 04:18.47 | bucky | baby... the other white meat |
| 04:18.57 | jasoncohen | audian, you're using 3.4 from alioth? |
| 04:18.58 | Guerin | Bac9: yeah, pork/fish , chicken, beef - in that order |
| 04:19.01 | audian | yes |
| 04:19.12 | empty | afk installing toddler in bed |
| 04:19.18 | jasoncohen | you're using experimental packages but you let aptitude uninstall your whole system? |
| 04:19.19 | jasoncohen | heh |
| 04:19.20 | sith-R2D2 | question - has any debian user here used *BSD? if so, would you recommend it over debian? |
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| 04:19.30 | audian | I had no way to stop it! |
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| 04:19.46 | audian | jasoncohen, I thoughtt it was normal! lol it all happened so fast ='{ |
| 04:19.49 | jasoncohen | audian, were you just installing a new kernel? |
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| 04:19.57 | initech | sith-R2D2: i would reccomend suicide over BSD usage |
| 04:20.00 | jasoncohen | or uninstalling an old one first? |
| 04:20.11 | Belboz | hey all, how do I remove a module that is in use? |
| 04:20.15 | Bac9 | Guerin: oh ok |
| 04:20.23 | amphi | Belboz: cease using it |
| 04:20.47 | audian | jasoncohen, I have no idea how to installl a kernel.. i just told aptitude to install kernel-image and I thought that was aall you do... |
| 04:20.47 | audian | jasoncohen, apparently I was wrong |
| 04:20.47 | sith-R2D2 | initech, so how come apple choose to base OSX on bsd? was linux too scrappy for apple? |
| 04:20.54 | initech | Free BSD is for linux haters, OpenBSD is for FreeBSD haters, and NETBSD is for people who hate absolutely everything |
| 04:20.56 | jasoncohen | audian, that wouldn't break anything |
| 04:20.59 | karsten | audian: No, that's it. |
| 04:21.02 | jasoncohen | audian, it would give you a list of possible kernels |
| 04:21.18 | karsten | audian: ...though you have to specify the version you want. |
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| 04:21.32 | jetx | fuck again |
| 04:21.40 | audian | jasoncohen, so... that keernel-image is installed but why doesn't it say in uname? I have to restart huh? |
| 04:21.48 | karsten | audian: Yes. |
| 04:21.48 | jetx | dammit fix teh intarweb |
| 04:22.00 | karsten | audian: You can't dynamically change kernels in a running boot instance. |
| 04:22.01 | jasoncohen | what's the package called that gives you a categorical list. it's run by the net install before starting aptitude ..something with a t |
| 04:22.12 | jetx | tasksel sux |
| 04:22.12 | karsten | jasoncohen: ?? |
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| 04:22.28 | jetx | unless you like kde and gnome both at the same time |
| 04:22.29 | karsten | jasoncohen: catagorical list of what? Cats? Dogs? Pho restaurants in a 15 mile radius? |
| 04:22.53 | karsten | Belboz: You kill everything using the module. Note that this isn't always possible. |
| 04:22.58 | audian | karsten, it gives you like.. groups of things to install, like "Desktop Environment" |
| 04:22.58 | Gumby | jasoncohen: tasksel |
| 04:22.58 | jasoncohen | karsten, it gaves a number of default categories for packages- like desktop environment, mail server, ftp server, |
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| 04:23.05 | jasoncohen | Gumby, thanks |
| 04:23.05 | karsten | audian: tasksel. |
| 04:23.07 | jetx | gee i never thought of tasksel |
| 04:23.08 | karsten | Geez.... |
| 04:23.14 | jetx | why didn't i think of that |
| 04:23.34 | Gumby | hehe |
| 04:23.37 | sith-R2D2 | why the hell is the net split happening? |
| 04:23.40 | Gumby | cause it "sux" |
| 04:23.40 | samuel | does rythmbox use totem to play? |
| 04:23.42 | sith-R2D2 | somebody ddosing someone? lol |
| 04:23.49 | karsten | sith-R2D2: Split happens. |
| 04:23.51 | bucky | ~apt wtf |
| 04:23.52 | Nethox | Belboz: the kernel can be compiled to be able to force module unloading although it can make the system unstable |
| 04:23.52 | jetx | it's a major backbone thing i believe |
| 04:23.57 | jetx | not just another split |
| 04:24.02 | jetx | or something |
| 04:24.02 | sith-R2D2 | no shit |
| 04:24.06 | Gumby | my ISP has been having issues |
| 04:24.19 | jasoncohen | Gumby, i thought you use mandrake? |
| 04:24.20 | Gumby | the splits are happenning across multiple networks also |
| 04:24.27 | jasoncohen | *mandriva |
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| 04:24.37 | jetx | the splits are happening across multiple applications |
| 04:24.37 | sith-R2D2 | WTF man |
| 04:24.38 | Nethox | Are these netsplits common? |
| 04:24.42 | sith-R2D2 | 90% packet loss?? |
| 04:24.46 | Gumby | jasoncohen: I use lots of different distros. but my only mdk box is my webserver as I dont want to setup qmail again right now |
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| 04:24.47 | jetx | it's the fucking backbone |
| 04:24.54 | jetx | pay attention |
| 04:24.54 | jasoncohen | audian, you could apt-get install tasksel and then choose the categories you want and then use aptitude to re-install the missing packages |
| 04:24.55 | dondelelcaro | Nethox: no, but it happens from time to time. |
| 04:24.59 | sith-R2D2 | i can't play counterstrike...my ping is like 300ms |
| 04:24.59 | Supaplex | I'm seeing splits on efnet to |
| 04:25.02 | karsten | Nethox: They happen, sometimes moreso than others. |
| 04:25.13 | jetx | IT'S NOT JUST IRC DAMMIT |
| 04:25.13 | Gumby | jeffx: whether its a backbone or not its still resulting in netsplits |
| 04:25.16 | audian | jasoncohen, I think apt-get install gnome covered it |
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| 04:25.23 | audian | jasoncohen, I don't think it removed anything else |
| 04:25.25 | jasoncohen | audian, i still have no clue how that happened |
| 04:25.26 | Gumby | jetx: who said it was just IRC? |
| 04:25.26 | Nethox | ok, i am quite new to freenode |
| 04:25.27 | karsten | Nethox: http://www.internettrafficreport.com/main.htm |
| 04:25.33 | jetx | i love you |
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| 04:25.39 | karsten | Anyone know if there's a major virus / power out / packet storm? |
| 04:25.45 | audian | jasoncohen, me neither >.> |
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| 04:25.52 | jasoncohen | audian, so what was the exact command you used? |
| 04:25.55 | sith-R2D2 | lol packet storm is a LAN thing |
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| 04:26.06 | jetx | it's a very big lan |
| 04:26.09 | Kupal[] | sasl postfix why does it insist on using sql module when i told it to do pam.. |
| 04:26.12 | Kupal[] | FUCK.. |
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| 04:26.23 | karsten | Global response times are down significantly in the past hjour or so. |
| 04:26.29 | jasoncohen | audian, if you do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 it'll give you a list of possible 2.6 kernels and tell you to choose one |
| 04:26.34 | audian | jasoncohen, well i ran aptitude and just searched for kernel-image blahblah and told it to install |
| 04:26.35 | Belboz999 | Hey all, how to I remove a module that is in use? |
| 04:26.46 | jetx | apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 04:26.47 | jasoncohen | kernel-image blahblah? |
| 04:26.50 | dondelelcaro | Belboz999: plain and simple, you don't. |
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| 04:26.52 | audian | jasoncohen, 2.6... |
| 04:27.05 | jetx | pick one, install it |
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| 04:27.11 | karsten | Belboz999: You get it unused. |
| 04:27.14 | karsten | Belboz999: What's using it? |
| 04:27.18 | karsten | !tell Belboz999 about repeat |
| 04:27.21 | Belboz999 | karsten snd |
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| 04:27.34 | Kupal[] | echo sasl | sed -e 's/s/h/g' |
| 04:27.35 | Kupal[] | oops |
| 04:27.36 | karsten | Belboz999: rmmod sound. |
| 04:27.37 | Kupal[] | that's wrong |
| 04:27.50 | Belboz999 | thanks karsten |
| 04:27.59 | Kupal[] | echo sasl | sed -e 's/s/h/' |
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| 04:28.11 | Belboz999 | and karsten, I didn't mean to repeat, I got booted and I figured I would just start over |
| 04:28.15 | jasoncohen | audian, yeah, just pick one- if you're on etch you can use either 2.6.8 or 2.6.11. if you're on sarge (which i hope you're not if you're using experimental alioth packages!) you can use 2.6.8 |
| 04:28.43 | jetx | kde 3.4 wasn't worth it |
| 04:28.55 | audian | jasoncohen, im on sarge |
| 04:29.09 | jasoncohen | jetx, to be honest i didn't notice many differences |
| 04:29.22 | jasoncohen | but 3.4 apparently breaks shadowing on desktop icon fonts which is really annoying |
| 04:29.50 | jasoncohen | audian, are you kidding? what the hell would cause you to install unofficial experimental packages on a stable system? |
| 04:30.00 | jasoncohen | especially for KDE 3.4 |
| 04:30.26 | audian | jasoncohen, ermm... this would be my.. seconnd day with linux.. that is my excuse. |
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| 04:30.55 | Nethox | I have seen the package libc6-i686, if i install it, will it be used automatically? |
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| 04:31.02 | Belboz | is anyone else getting booted? |
| 04:31.06 | jasoncohen | audian, next time aptitude tries to uninstall more than a handful of packages say no and make sure you know what packages are being uninstalled before saying yes again |
| 04:31.49 | audian | jasoncohen, He didn't even ask =[ |
| 04:31.49 | jetx | no nobody is getting booted |
| 04:32.01 | jasoncohen | he? |
| 04:32.10 | empty | LOL Linux has grown a ton, when I started "It's my second day on linux" meant you almost had a basic useable system |
| 04:32.12 | audian | it? |
| 04:32.18 | Belboz | karsten, is there another way to terminate the module? I see about 5 other modules that are using snd |
| 04:32.35 | Belboz | jetx, I've gotten booted twice now in the past 10 minutes |
| 04:32.38 | liable | modprobe -r |
| 04:32.49 | jasoncohen | empty, now it means- i had a system until i uninstalled 1000 packages so i could install one program :) |
| 04:32.49 | liable | !rmmod |
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| 04:33.12 | jasoncohen | audian, i don't think aptitude is a he or a she |
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| 04:33.26 | empty | jasoncohen, yes, 2 days is long enoough to start making your own problems since most of the inherent ones are transparent now |
| 04:33.31 | Belboz | liable, the module is in use, how do I work around that? |
| 04:33.34 | jasoncohen | audian, dpkg -l | grep kernel-image |
| 04:33.43 | liable | Belboz: stop using it? |
| 04:33.50 | audian | jasoncohen, it has a mind of its own... i swear it did that without asking me! I told it to install and it uninstalled all that stufff |
| 04:33.54 | Belboz | liable, yeah, how do I do that? |
| 04:34.11 | Nethox | Belboz: see the lsmod output |
| 04:34.12 | empty | audian, did you tell it to not ask you questions? |
| 04:34.13 | jasoncohen | audian, humor me - dpkg -l | grep kernel-image |
| 04:34.14 | audian | jasoncohen, whats that do? |
| 04:34.22 | liable | Belboz: lsof |grep snd*, kill whatever it is. |
| 04:34.23 | jasoncohen | it'll tell you what kernels you have installed |
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| 04:34.25 | jasoncohen | ...if any |
| 04:34.29 | jasoncohen | :) |
| 04:34.30 | empty | audian, shows which kernels you have installed |
| 04:34.36 | empty | jasoncohen, lol |
| 04:35.01 | jasoncohen | i think you tried uninstalling your current kernel- rather than installing a new one |
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| 04:35.11 | liable | ouch |
| 04:35.22 | jasoncohen | yeah, that's not good when you have one kernel, lol |
| 04:35.27 | liable | do not reboot :P |
| 04:35.28 | rob^ | is there a way to install Debian without a cdrom drive? |
| 04:35.35 | empty | rob^, floppies |
| 04:35.38 | jasoncohen | audian, yeah- don't reboot, lol |
| 04:35.42 | audian | jasoncohen, it said i have 2.4 101 and 2.6.8-16 |
| 04:35.48 | rob^ | empty, ah yeah of cause |
| 04:35.52 | jasoncohen | 2.4 101? |
| 04:35.58 | jasoncohen | audian, paste in #flood |
| 04:36.07 | rob^ | thanx |
| 04:36.17 | Belboz | liable, there's about 15 apps using snd |
| 04:36.28 | audian | jasoncohen, ok i did |
| 04:36.29 | liable | Belboz: shut them then. |
| 04:36.39 | Belboz | but there are also about 5 modules using it too, liable |
| 04:36.54 | jasoncohen | audian, ok, well it appears you did install a 2.6 kernel |
| 04:37.12 | audian | jasoncohen, thats good.. |
| 04:37.18 | liable | Belboz: just shut the apps, then try again. |
| 04:37.27 | Belboz | okay, thanks liable |
| 04:37.37 | jasoncohen | audian, do you remember how many packages were removed? |
| 04:37.58 | audian | jasoncohen, uhm... alot.. when I went to my menu where the programs are.. I had like barely any |
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| 04:38.04 | liable | audian: you have just installed sarge havent you |
| 04:38.15 | audian | liable, uhm... yesterday |
| 04:38.19 | jasoncohen | liable, at least he didn't install sid |
| 04:38.21 | deeepz | can i read a ps file from command prompt |
| 04:38.37 | liable | audian: it may be *way* easier to just re-install, using linux26 from the boot prompt |
| 04:38.41 | jasoncohen | i just don't see how it could have uninstalled stuff w/o asking you |
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| 04:38.58 | jasoncohen | audian, did you see a y/n prompt? |
| 04:39.00 | audian | liable, I already have it all the way I want it though... |
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| 04:39.18 | Face_Fantastic | I'm using stable now, how do I switch to testing? (amule is a necessity, and I'm not compiling) |
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| 04:39.37 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, you don't need to switch to testing for amule |
| 04:39.48 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, do tell. |
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| 04:39.53 | audian | jasoncohen, no.. i saw a prompt to install the kernel |
| 04:39.54 | Nethox | deeepz: ps2ascii file | less |
| 04:40.13 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, I can't use apt for it, and I'm a noob |
| 04:40.25 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, just add a testing source and "echo 'APT::Default-Release "sarge";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf" |
| 04:40.34 | jasoncohen | apt-get update ; apt-get install amule |
| 04:41.11 | jasoncohen | audian, that's it? it should have said installing 1 package, removing 400, heh |
| 04:41.14 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, alright |
| 04:41.27 | audian | jasoncohen, hehe |
| 04:41.30 | Kupal[] | "warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Permission denied" how can i find out what file its choking out on? |
| 04:41.37 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, that will allow you to have testing and stable sources but it'll use stable unless you specify testing |
| 04:41.48 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, to install amule do apt-get install -t testing amule |
| 04:41.53 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, im a noob so |
| 04:42.00 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, im currently trying to add that line |
| 04:42.08 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, and get my hands on a testing source |
| 04:42.21 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, just duplicate your sarge line and change sarge to etch |
| 04:42.23 | streuner | dpkg, info amule sarge |
| 04:42.25 | jasoncohen | or testing |
| 04:42.30 | jasoncohen | but don't add a testing security line |
| 04:42.30 | audian | Meh.. it doesn't matter I guess.. I wont see this comp for like.. a week or two.. moving tomarrow |
| 04:42.39 | streuner | dpkg> Package 'amule' does not exist. |
| 04:42.50 | jasoncohen | just in etch and sid |
| 04:42.54 | jasoncohen | amule 2.0.3 just entered sid |
| 04:43.02 | streuner | dpkg, info amule etch |
| 04:43.07 | jasoncohen | 2.0.1 |
| 04:43.09 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, do I just type echo 'APT::Default-Release "sarge";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf into the terminal? |
| 04:43.11 | Face_Fantastic | copy rather |
| 04:43.17 | streuner | dpkg> Package 'amule' does not exist. |
| 04:43.19 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, as root |
| 04:43.22 | Face_Fantastic | right. |
| 04:43.48 | Face_Fantastic | what testing source do I add? |
| 04:44.01 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, then after you've added a testing source which will look like deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 04:44.19 | jasoncohen | you can apt-get update ; apt-get install -t testing amule |
| 04:44.23 | Face_Fantastic | ok |
| 04:44.24 | Face_Fantastic | thanks |
| 04:44.34 | streuner | hm, how jasoncohen? |
| 04:44.38 | jasoncohen | oh, and you should do an apt-get upgrade and make sure you see 0 packages |
| 04:44.42 | liable | dpkg: hi |
| 04:44.42 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 04:44.47 | streuner | that package doesn't exist in etch |
| 04:45.15 | jasoncohen | streuner, oh...i thought it did |
| 04:45.31 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, you'll need to install it from unstable then |
| 04:45.39 | jasoncohen | or what i would do is add a sid deb-src source |
| 04:45.40 | streuner | !simple sid backport |
| 04:45.41 | dpkg | well, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 04:45.54 | jasoncohen | yeah, heh- like that |
| 04:46.01 | deeepz | can i have irc chat through command line |
| 04:46.12 | jasoncohen | deeepz, apt-get install BitchX |
| 04:46.15 | webfreak | yes, install irssi |
| 04:46.19 | webfreak | or that |
| 04:46.34 | tjostolf | or tirc |
| 04:46.47 | webfreak | also, bitchx, not BitchX |
| 04:46.54 | jasoncohen | yeah- my mistake |
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| 04:47.37 | sameer | hello people |
| 04:47.41 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, so, add deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:48.09 | sameer | im using gtk-gnutella .. but it says im firewalled both tcpwise and udpwise .. how can disable the firewall |
| 04:48.16 | jasoncohen | then "apt-get update ; apt-get build-dep amule ; apt-get -b source amule" |
| 04:49.07 | Wyzard | sameer: Are you behind a NAT router? |
| 04:49.12 | hehe | ? |
| 04:49.24 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, still there? |
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| 04:49.33 | hehe | what's nat? |
| 04:49.45 | Nethox | sameer: test it with iptables -L | grep policy |
| 04:49.52 | jasoncohen | anyone know why amule hasn't entered testing? it has no RC bugs |
| 04:49.58 | Nethox | hehe: network address translation |
| 04:49.59 | jasoncohen | http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/amule.html |
| 04:50.25 | hehe | snat? dnat? |
| 04:50.28 | jasoncohen | i guess it doesn't build on powerpc but that shouldn't stop it |
| 04:50.31 | Nethox | hehe: yes |
| 04:50.32 | sameer | no im not behind a NAT router |
| 04:50.54 | sameer | i dont have iptables installed |
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| 04:50.58 | hehe | router? |
| 04:51.05 | sameer | actually the server is a windows machine |
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| 04:51.22 | bob2 | sameer: how do you connect to the internet then? |
| 04:51.27 | Wyzard | sameer: So your computer has a real Internet-valid IP address? No 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x address? |
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| 04:51.54 | sameer | bob2 : i connect to the gateway which is a windows machine |
| 04:52.02 | jasoncohen | sameer, /sbin/ifconfig |
| 04:52.06 | sameer | Wyzard : yes |
| 04:52.26 | sameer | my IP address is 192.168.0.3 |
| 04:52.41 | Nethox | sameer: then you are probably behind a nat router |
| 04:53.03 | Wyzard | sameer: Then you're behind a NAT router, and that's why your gnutella client says you're firewalled |
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| 04:53.19 | jasoncohen | lol, didn't you just say you didn't have an ip like 192.168.x.x? |
| 04:53.21 | Wyzard | sameer: You need to do port forwarding on your gateway |
| 04:53.35 | sameer | Wyzard : how |
| 04:54.11 | Wyzard | sameer: Then why did you ask? |
| 04:54.12 | bob2 | sameer: there you go, tje windows machine is nat'ing you |
| 04:54.40 | Nethox | sameer: also known as a part of DNAT, external new connections to some server port are forwarded to your local IP:port |
| 04:55.38 | sameer | i just checked .. i think im using a switch not a router.. |
| 04:56.00 | jasoncohen | well, you don't have a public ip address sameer |
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| 04:56.17 | Wyzard | sameer: You have a non-routable, private IP address. If you didn't have a NAT router, you wouldn't be able to communicate with stuff on the Internet. |
| 04:56.19 | jasoncohen | a 192.168.x.x address means you are on a local network |
| 04:56.20 | sameer | there are just 4 machines and they are connected to a switch :-) |
| 04:56.30 | Wyzard | sameer: You are online, therefore you must be using NAT |
| 04:56.40 | jasoncohen | sameer, is the switch connected to a computer acting as a gateway> |
| 04:56.46 | sameer | yes |
| 04:56.52 | Wyzard | sameer: router == gateway |
| 04:56.56 | Wyzard | sameer: The Windows box is doing NAT |
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| 04:57.17 | sameer | ok sorry . im not familiar with network stuf |
| 04:57.17 | Nethox | in fact i think that gateway is more general than router |
| 04:57.32 | spowers | a router is a gateway but not all gateways are routers |
| 04:57.42 | Nethox | exactly |
| 04:57.43 | spowers | or is it the other way around |
| 04:57.48 | sameer | thanx |
| 04:57.53 | bob2 | gateway is a specific type of router |
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| 04:58.28 | Wyzard | What would be an example of a gateway that isn't a router, or a router that isn't a gateway? |
| 04:58.30 | sameer | the gateway is connected to the net using a cable modem.. |
| 04:58.38 | Sailorrr | . |
| 04:58.42 | Sailorrr | hi |
| 04:58.45 | sameer | anyway .. is there any easy way out.. |
| 04:58.49 | Nethox | a bridge is a gateway |
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| 04:58.53 | Wyzard | sameer: You need to set up port forwarding on the gateway |
| 04:59.05 | Nethox | it just links networks |
| 04:59.05 | Wyzard | sameer: It isn't even a Debian issue, since your gateway runs Windows |
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| 04:59.18 | Supaplex | a gateway can also transcode protocols. eg, a proxy server providing ftp access over http is technically also a gateway. |
| 04:59.36 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:59.36 | Supaplex | not to be confused with the 'default gateway' or default route. |
| 04:59.48 | Wyzard | So would it be fair to say that a router is an IP gateway? |
| 04:59.49 | Sailorrr | i used the command line top, which showed under user list, (nobody) using find!!.. is this normal or is it a security problem |
| 04:59.57 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, nothing is even broken..he just needs to forward a port to his private ip address on the linux client |
| 05:00.03 | Supaplex | loosely, yes |
| 05:00.11 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I know |
| 05:00.16 | liable | Sailorrr: cron probably. what time is it? |
| 05:00.19 | Nethox | eg, hotwayd is a protocol gateway then, doesn't it Supaplex ? |
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| 05:00.37 | Supaplex | !hotwayd |
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| 05:00.42 | Sailorrr | forgot |
| 05:00.43 | Sailorrr | but |
| 05:00.44 | bob2 | a bridge is not a gateway |
| 05:00.45 | Supaplex | what's hotway? |
| 05:00.52 | Sailorrr | what does nobody mean |
| 05:01.09 | Nethox | Supaplex: to use hotmail webmail like a pop server |
| 05:01.11 | liable | daemon for gettin hotmail |
| 05:01.22 | Supaplex | Nethox: yea |
| 05:01.34 | Supaplex | it's a hotmail gateway via pop3 |
| 05:01.44 | Nethox | yes, ok |
| 05:01.49 | jasoncohen | does firestarter automatically open all ports as TCP/UDP because it gives no choice |
| 05:01.53 | jasoncohen | it just allows you to enter a # |
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| 05:02.15 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: If you're setting up a firewall, I recommend FIreHOL |
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| 05:02.27 | philv | Where does hotplug's firmware agent expect firmware images, like for the ipw2200, to be? |
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| 05:02.34 | liable | or shorewall |
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| 05:02.44 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, i was really just toying around with it and wondering. i'm already behind a NAT firewall |
| 05:02.45 | Nathum | #knoppix |
| 05:03.08 | Wyzard | Shorewall works well too, but having used both, I think FireHOL's config is more straightforward and maintainable |
| 05:03.25 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, and i would have preferred a gui solution. there's no frontend for FireHOL, right? |
| 05:03.31 | Wyzard | ah |
| 05:03.35 | jasoncohen | guarddog also looks interesting |
| 05:03.36 | liable | Wyzard: yeah, might have a look at it. |
| 05:03.48 | Nethox | philv: /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ |
| 05:03.55 | liable | yeah guarddog is pretty easy to use. |
| 05:04.17 | Nathum | Could somone please tell my why kpackage wont install anything, im new to Linux and its been driving me crazy the last couple of months |
| 05:04.24 | jasoncohen | liable, what i don't get with guardog is why you can't choose to blacklist outbound traffic like most firewalls do |
| 05:04.25 | Supaplex | ~test |
| 05:04.26 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 05:04.36 | jasoncohen | liable, you must manually whitelist every port/service you want to use for incoming & outgoing |
| 05:04.41 | philv | Nethox: That's what I thought, but it appears as though it won't load the firmware for the ipw2200 card in my laptop then, because I keep getting an error -2, which signifies failure to find the file, or so I have read. |
| 05:04.41 | streuner | Nathum: what WM do you use? |
| 05:05.00 | amphi | philv: where have you put the fw? |
| 05:05.06 | Nathum | I installed knoppix on my hdd |
| 05:05.06 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Default-deny plus whitelist is standard practice with firewalls |
| 05:05.16 | philv | amphi: in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 05:05.28 | liable | Nathum: silly you, dont ask here about it. |
| 05:05.28 | Wyzard | Nathum: #knoppix |
| 05:05.31 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, it's default for incoming ports but usually blacklist is default for outgoing i thought |
| 05:05.31 | amphi | philv: which driver and firmware version? |
| 05:05.33 | Nethox | philv: permissions? |
| 05:05.37 | streuner | Nathum: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 05:06.00 | Nathum | ok so whys it come with knoppix? |
| 05:06.14 | philv | amphi: firmware 2.3, driver version 1.0.4 |
| 05:06.24 | liable | Nathum: what? why does what come with it? |
| 05:06.28 | philv | Nethox: I set it to 777 on a whim :) |
| 05:06.29 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: http://pastebin.ca/15818 -- my FireHOL config |
| 05:06.40 | amphi | philv: that's what I have here, & it works perfectly - did you remove the old modules? |
| 05:06.43 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I'll bet you can mostly understand it even though you've never read the docs for it |
| 05:06.53 | amphi | philv: what kernel version, BTW? |
| 05:07.06 | philv | amphi: Never had old modules, fresh install of Sarge |
| 05:07.08 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, when i wanted to do masquerading on my server so i could tunnel all web traffic through my openvpn server, i used webmin's iptables configuration tool |
| 05:07.09 | philv | And it's 2.6.12 |
| 05:07.09 | Nethox | philv: hotplug firmware loading support in kernel? |
| 05:07.11 | Nathum | sorry i just cant wrap my head around this OS |
| 05:07.12 | philv | A custom kernel. |
| 05:07.19 | philv | Nethox: Yeah, it's there. |
| 05:07.24 | philv | Compiled in as a module. |
| 05:07.26 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: The "client all accept" means default-accept for outbound... but it could also be done in whitelist fashion like the inbound stuff is |
| 05:07.32 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, damn..that looks easy |
| 05:07.35 | Nathum | I thought software would be easy to install, just like Teamspeak |
| 05:07.40 | amphi | philv: I had it running on 2.6.12, although I've reverted to 2.6.11 ;) |
| 05:07.42 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: That's why I recommended it :-) |
| 05:07.47 | deeepz | can anybody tell me commannd prompt based pop3 mail client |
| 05:07.56 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, yeah, i figured that's what client all accept was |
| 05:07.58 | streuner | Nathum: its easy to install in debian |
| 05:08.00 | amphi | philv: does modprobe give any error? |
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| 05:08.12 | philv | amphi: no error from modprobe, no, just the error from the module |
| 05:08.14 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, what about more complicated stuff like setting up a NAT or masquerading? |
| 05:08.23 | streuner | Nathum: debian makes the install process of software pretty easy |
| 05:08.36 | trave11er | deeepz: fetchmail |
| 05:08.39 | Supaplex | when an infobot (apt,dpkg,ravenbird,etc) returns a set for listvalues: Factoid search of 'foo' by value (17 of 25), how do I see the rest of the results? (yea, I can query the same question, but I often get 80% of the same results duplicated) |
| 05:08.39 | philv | amphi: It gives me an error -5 too. |
| 05:08.45 | deeepz | ok |
| 05:08.49 | deeepz | thks |
| 05:08.51 | deeepz | dude |
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| 05:08.58 | amphi | philv: I'd run the remove_old script and build/install it again |
| 05:09.14 | philv | Yeah, it can't hurt to do that again, heh |
| 05:09.15 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: A little less straightforward, but still not bad |
| 05:09.17 | Nathum | so is debian another linux OS? |
| 05:09.20 | amphi | philv: heh |
| 05:09.25 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: http://pastebin.ca/15819 -- from my router |
| 05:09.40 | Supaplex | Nathum: distro. debian.org read and learn :) good stuff. |
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| 05:09.52 | amphi | philv: did you try setting the debug level in the module option? |
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| 05:09.59 | Nethox | philv: the modules overwrite the old ones, are the old firmware files in the firmware dir? |
| 05:10.02 | philv | amphi: I should try that, make it more verbose |
| 05:10.10 | philv | Nethox: It's a fresh install... there are no old firmware files |
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| 05:11.03 | Nathum | is derbian the same as mandrake, coz i have only 1 CD on mandrake 10.1 |
| 05:11.08 | philv | amphi: Which script are you referring to? remove_all? |
| 05:11.15 | dondelelcaro | Nathum: no, Debian is not the same as mandrake. |
| 05:11.15 | amphi | philv: once you get it going, would you check if wavemon segfaults when you switch the card into monitor mode? |
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| 05:11.41 | amphi | philv; remove-old |
| 05:11.53 | philv | amphi: hrmm, where is that? |
| 05:12.01 | amphi | philv: in the src dir |
| 05:12.07 | philv | odd, I don't have that. |
| 05:12.13 | Wyzard | lol |
| 05:12.15 | sameer | what does "Setting up IP spoofing protection: rp_filter." mean when i restart /etc/init.d/networking |
| 05:12.22 | amphi | philv: really? |
| 05:12.25 | philv | Yeah |
| 05:12.30 | philv | And I'm using the Debian package. |
| 05:12.45 | Nathum | Ok, so whats the most used linux package |
| 05:12.46 | Wyzard | Nathum: Debian is the distribution that Knoppix is based on. Mandrake is a distribution based on RedHat. Debian and RedHat are unrelated. |
| 05:12.53 | amphi | philv: oh, I built mine from src and made install |
| 05:12.57 | philv | Ahhh |
| 05:13.04 | Supaplex | sameer: look at the script for comments. it's generally to stave off spoofs from 127.0.0.1 on all but the lo interface. |
| 05:13.12 | amphi | philv: might be worth a try |
| 05:13.13 | Nethox | philv: do you have installed the hotplug package and wireless extensions in the kernel? |
| 05:13.29 | philv | amphi: Yeah, I'll give that a whirl |
| 05:13.34 | philv | Nethox: Yeah. |
| 05:13.44 | Nathum | why so many, When I goto sites to download software, there all over the place. as in the packages are only for spacific OS |
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| 05:14.01 | Nethox | philv: :( |
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| 05:14.26 | jasoncohen | Nathum, you get your debian packages from debian with apt-get |
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| 05:14.45 | philv | Nethox: I'm going to try building it from the official source tree |
| 05:14.51 | jasoncohen | Nathum, almost all packages you'll want to use have already been compiled for you as .debs which you can install with apt-get or aptitude |
| 05:14.58 | musgl | is possible make un-install whole KDE in debian ? .. How ? |
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| 05:15.10 | Nethox | philv: i am running well with them (and monitor mode support :) |
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| 05:15.25 | jasoncohen | check out the packages available on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages. there are over 15,000 packages in debian's stable release and nearly 17,000 in unstable |
| 05:15.29 | streuner | musgl: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 05:15.31 | amphi | philv: worked like a charm here - you'll have to comment out a duplicated inline function in the module src building against 2.6.12 BTW ;) |
| 05:15.42 | philv | Nethox: Excellent... hopefully rebuilding from scratch will help me then. |
| 05:15.56 | philv | amphi: Oh yeah, that's annoying. |
| 05:16.20 | amphi | philv: it's trivial |
| 05:16.24 | musgl | "apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4" no problem after .. gnome ? |
| 05:16.41 | philv | amphi: Yeah, it is. |
| 05:16.47 | jasoncohen | musgl, that'll remove kde and everything dependent upon it, or its libraries |
| 05:16.48 | philv | But still, a pain in the butt :) |
| 05:17.12 | musgl | oh ok |
| 05:17.24 | jasoncohen | for example, you can't have any KDE apps like amarok, juk, k3b etc. |
| 05:17.27 | musgl | well I dont need KDE ... like more gnome |
| 05:17.37 | technos | Stop with the /ver already! Third Eye 1.72 (epic4_2.2-1_hppa) |
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| 05:17.49 | musgl | opsss |
| 05:17.52 | technos | Err.. |
| 05:17.59 | musgl | i need k3b |
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| 05:18.07 | musgl | may be not good idea |
| 05:18.15 | technos | Man. First thing I type in IRC tonight is a typo. My night is not off toa good start |
| 05:18.29 | streuner | musgl: it would remove prolly all libs for KDE as well, as long as you don't clean the cache its ok then... |
| 05:18.46 | jasoncohen | musgl, you can remove all of KDE and then apt-get install k3b |
| 05:18.48 | musgl | I dont know if exist program for gnome .. like k3b |
| 05:18.54 | musgl | oh ok |
| 05:18.56 | musgl | understand |
| 05:18.57 | Nathum | Would this be the right thing to get? Debian Woody 3.0 Release 6 (x86) (7 CDR Set) (Handwritten) |
| 05:18.58 | musgl | thanks |
| 05:18.59 | jasoncohen | musgl, then it'll just install the deps for kde |
| 05:18.59 | musgl | ;) |
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| 05:19.03 | amphi | philv: a patch was posted to the list |
| 05:19.04 | jasoncohen | np |
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| 05:19.16 | jasoncohen | musgl, i hope you have a fast internet connection. there could be a lot of deps |
| 05:19.20 | Wyzard | Nathum: No, woody is the old release. sarge is current. |
| 05:19.25 | quitte | how fubared i sid at the moment? |
| 05:19.27 | trave11er | Nathum: no, woody is the previous stable release |
| 05:19.32 | WOODYJUY | HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 05:19.38 | jasoncohen | quitte, it's fine here |
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| 05:19.41 | WOODYJUY | alguien que me ayudeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:19.43 | Chameleon22 | whats the name of the package that provides dos2unix utility? |
| 05:19.47 | Nathum | ok thanks, ill keep on looking, prob is I canot download it |
| 05:19.50 | amphi | WOODYJUY: #debian-es |
| 05:19.50 | Supaplex | ~say hi WOODYJUY! |
| 05:19.51 | apt | hi WOODYJUY! |
| 05:19.52 | musgl | wow .. 340 Mb ... KDE and etc |
| 05:19.53 | Wyzard | Nathum: And if you'll have an Internet connection available while installing, you don't need to download the full CD set, just the businesscard or netinst CD |
| 05:19.58 | pureone | sysuntils or something |
| 05:19.59 | WOODYJUY | okok |
| 05:20.10 | jasoncohen | quitte, you just have to be careful with upgrades as gnome screwed up people's machines because only 1/2 of it went in and people tried upgrading |
| 05:20.18 | valdyn | Chameleon22: 'recode' can do that. |
| 05:20.22 | philv | amphi: Oh really? I don't track x86 stuff much, to be quite honest. |
| 05:20.31 | Nathum | Wyzard, which means? |
| 05:20.37 | jasoncohen | musgl, it would remove 586 MB here (311 packages) |
| 05:20.39 | liable | musgl: there's xcdroast for gnome I think. |
| 05:20.44 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: was only a problem if you did a dist-upgrade... "plain" upgrade just holds back the parts that aren't ready yet :-) |
| 05:20.45 | Chameleon22 | sysutils is what i was after , thanks pureone |
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| 05:20.52 | quitte | jasoncohen: i consider myself almost expert. just wanted to be sure it is not completely unusable. tanks. |
| 05:20.53 | valdyn | !tell Chameleon22 about dos2unix |
| 05:20.57 | pureone | was looking for the same thing today :P |
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| 05:20.58 | musgl | ok |
| 05:21.10 | musgl | xcdroast.. interesting |
| 05:21.13 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, so, that's why people say to use dist-upgrade? |
| 05:21.22 | musgl | lets go .. to remove kde !!! |
| 05:21.26 | sith-R2D2 | question - is the website www.aboutdebian.com any good? |
| 05:21.29 | Nathum | is there anywere, i can view a tree structure of how linux works? |
| 05:21.35 | valdyn | quitte: people having _installed_ sid cant directly tell if its not completely broken to be upgraded to or newly installed. |
| 05:21.36 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, why can't people just f**** READ what packages are about to be removed? |
| 05:21.37 | Wyzard | Nathum: If you download all the CDs, you're downloading a lot of software that you'll probably never use. The businesscard and netinst install CDs are much smaller and basically just contain the installer, and they download other files as-needed during the installation. |
| 05:21.38 | amphi | philv: yeah, but the compiler error pinpoints it exactly - it's a one-line inline func IIRC, just comment out the whole damn thing for 2.6.12 |
| 05:21.57 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I use dist-upgrade most of the time, but if apt says it wants to remove something important, I switch to plain upgrade |
| 05:22.00 | musgl | sounds that I will need something in gnome .. like Ark |
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| 05:22.08 | jasoncohen | Nathum, get the net install cd or the first 2-3 CDs |
| 05:22.12 | quitte | valdyn double negotiation: parse eroor |
| 05:22.12 | philv | amphi: Yup, that function caused me headaches with my work on Atheros... sigh. |
| 05:22.21 | Wyzard | musgl: Isn't Ark KDE's archive-manager tool? |
| 05:22.25 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, sounds good to me |
| 05:22.29 | Wyzard | musgl: GNOME has one of those, called file-roller |
| 05:22.35 | musgl | ok |
| 05:22.48 | musgl | I ont know much about gnome .. bu it is 1000x fast than kde |
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| 05:22.54 | musgl | ont= dont |
| 05:22.54 | amphi | philv: reassuringly, the kernel one and the ipw220 one are not the same ;) |
| 05:22.55 | Nathum | jason, lol, I wish I could my hosemates internet connection is running like a 56k modem |
| 05:23.00 | Wyzard | musgl: No, not really |
| 05:23.07 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, when gnome half entered sid, didn't apt-get/aptitude say it was going to remove a bunch of gnome packages before the install began? |
| 05:23.08 | philv | amphi: Yup... fortunately, nothing breaks |
| 05:23.10 | jasoncohen | *upgrade |
| 05:23.12 | valdyn | quitte: im sure that was fairly correct english ) |
| 05:23.14 | Nathum | trying to find a distributor in Australia |
| 05:23.27 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Yes, so I told it no, and then did a plain upgrade |
| 05:23.28 | quitte | valdyn: still i cannot parse it. |
| 05:23.33 | philv | amphi: uggh, same problem with build from source |
| 05:23.33 | musgl | what GUI do you use, Wyzard |
| 05:23.34 | amphi | philv: from the talk on the ipw list, it seemed that the module one was wrong |
| 05:23.37 | quitte | valdyn still trying |
| 05:23.37 | Wyzard | musgl: GNOME |
| 05:23.43 | streuner | !d-i Nathum |
| 05:23.44 | dpkg | Nathum, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 05:23.53 | valdyn | quitte: if someone runs sid, then it might still be completely broken to install or upgrade to. |
| 05:23.58 | liable | Nathum: go to a net cafe and download them. |
| 05:23.59 | musgl | gnome is more friendly .. more clean interface |
| 05:24.03 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, ok, so basically all those people that came in #debian bitching were just dumb and said yes anyways? |
| 05:24.06 | Nethox | musgl: something fast is icewm, fluxbox or even xfce4 |
| 05:24.08 | musgl | I think ... |
| 05:24.10 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: correct |
| 05:24.11 | quitte | valdyn oh. right sid i sunstable ;) |
| 05:24.11 | amphi | philv: nothing in the logs more helpful than -2 & -5 ? |
| 05:24.17 | musgl | really .. ? |
| 05:24.29 | philv | Nope, nothing, geez... let me figure out how to make it more verbose |
| 05:24.31 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, hell, they should be running apt-listbugs to check for severe bugs BEFORE upgrading anyways so they deserved their fate, lol |
| 05:24.37 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: A few days later I resolved the "partial upgrade" by installing the missing stuff from experimental, but that's a different story ;-) |
| 05:24.47 | Nathum | lol, im in a small county town so we dont have a net cafe here lol |
| 05:24.50 | musgl | let me look about .. |
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| 05:25.03 | Nathum | or one so advanced they have a cd burner |
| 05:25.06 | streuner | Nathum: but you have DSL? |
| 05:25.11 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, so it did upgrade some of the packages even with apt-get upgrade? |
| 05:25.13 | Nathum | yes, shaped |
| 05:25.25 | amphi | philv: debug=0x34ff or something intuitive like that was posted to the list |
| 05:25.27 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: No, they just shouldn't be running sid if they don't know to look at apt's list of proposed changes before proceeding |
| 05:25.30 | Nathum | but 100meg looks ok to download aslong as thats about all |
| 05:25.30 | Nethox | musgl: maybe you'll like xfce4 more than others ;) |
| 05:25.46 | philv | amphi: Yeah, jusst reading now :) |
| 05:25.52 | amphi | Nathum: that's only the beginning ;) |
| 05:26.04 | Nathum | tears |
| 05:26.12 | Nathum | i hate windpoos |
| 05:26.26 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: A plain upgrade will upgrade any packages whose new versions are installable, but will hold back any packages whose new version's dependencies aren't satisfied by what's on your system, and won't install/remove other things to try to satisfy those dependencies |
| 05:26.28 | amphi | Nathum: ? |
| 05:26.32 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, i would have expected better from debian users. is that why #debian is so harsh about sid because i really don't see what the big deal is. Yes, it's unstable but it's still probably in better shape then some other distros. |
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| 05:27.17 | valdyn | jasoncohen: #debian is harsh about it b/c the typical sid question is like "Why does xxx not work?" ) |
| 05:27.29 | _daniel_ | jasoncohen, yes sid rulz |
| 05:27.29 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, yes, so an upgrade is safer, but with sid, every day a package requires a new dependency to install- so you could be missing out on important upgrades if you don't do a dist-upgrade |
| 05:27.29 | Nathum | i wana switch from window$ to linux, exept all the software just isnt up there no offence |
| 05:27.41 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: The problem during the GNOME transition was that there were 2.10 versions of some packages, which conflicted with some old 2.8 libraries, but the 2.10 versions of the libraries weren't available yet so apt wanted to just remove those libraries and everything that depended on them |
| 05:27.44 | amphi | Nathum: all which sw? |
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| 05:27.59 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: That's why I use dist-upgrade most of the time |
| 05:28.05 | Nathum | paint progs, whic im used to photoshop 8 |
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| 05:28.15 | amphi | Nathum: gimp |
| 05:28.18 | Nathum | alot of games, bf 2 |
| 05:28.24 | Supaplex | wine |
| 05:28.26 | amphi | pfft, games |
| 05:28.29 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, so people basically lost gnome 2.8 and had a few pieces of 2.10 which was pretty useless? |
| 05:28.33 | Nethox | bf == brainfuck? |
| 05:28.48 | amphi | Nathum: that's a language, not a game ;) |
| 05:28.53 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: If dist-upgrade wants to remove something important, I do a plain upgrade, then see whether I can manually resolve whatever's left over (by doing "apt-get install" on individual held-back packages and seeing what changes apt wants to make) |
| 05:28.55 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: right |
| 05:29.03 | Nathum | lol, and i designed my website supported by IE, and through mozilla its all wrong |
| 05:29.05 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, a few days ago i noticed that apt-get install fam wanted to remove 400+ packages because apt didn't know libfam0c102 was a dependency. why does that happen? |
| 05:29.11 | Nethox | amphi: it can be a game if you are crazy :) |
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| 05:29.14 | defcon8 | can someone tell me where the x config file is in debian please as i have done a xf86config and saved as XF86Config AND XF86Config-4 and it still doesnt seem to work. i have tried to change the resolution but it isnt working so i am guessing debian stores its X config file in a different place. please can someone help |
| 05:29.26 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I didn't see anything like that a few days ago |
| 05:29.29 | amphi | Nethox: ;) |
| 05:29.32 | valdyn | jasoncohen: that was a disability of package management tools ( of all of them... ) |
| 05:29.37 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, yeah, i've done apt-get install package when dist-upgrade didn't work and i wanted to know what the broken dependency was |
| 05:29.45 | karsten | defcon8: XF86Config-4 for XFree86 v4. |
| 05:29.47 | valdyn | jasoncohen: it will happen even in sarge. |
| 05:29.48 | amphi | defcon8: /etc/X11 |
| 05:29.49 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, do apt-get install fam if you don't have it installed |
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| 05:29.55 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I have it already |
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| 05:29.58 | Supaplex | defcon8: or /msg apt setup x |
| 05:30.02 | defcon8 | karsten, but it is not working atall |
| 05:30.04 | jasoncohen | valdyn, i made a bug report- no response yet |
| 05:30.07 | mwilson | Wyzard: You were actually able to parse that sentence? |
| 05:30.07 | Nathum | I can use VM ware and have the latest version exept i cant install it |
| 05:30.12 | karsten | defcon8: ?? |
| 05:30.27 | Wyzard | mwilson: Which one? |
| 05:30.27 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315591 |
| 05:30.27 | valdyn | jasoncohen: yea, not all maintainers are responsive ( though most are ) |
| 05:30.49 | Supaplex | most is up for debate. |
| 05:30.50 | jasoncohen | that's good |
| 05:30.52 | Nethox | Nathum: try qemu, its free software |
| 05:30.53 | defcon8 | i first did autodetection and that was what gave me 800x600. but then i changed it to 1024x768 with xf86config and it used to work fine with all the other distros |
| 05:31.06 | jasoncohen | valdyn, heh, but i still would like to know what the debian security team has been up to |
| 05:31.07 | jasoncohen | :) |
| 05:31.08 | valdyn | jasoncohen: unsolvable bug ( imo ) anyway, but its good to be in the bts for others to see. |
| 05:31.11 | Nathum | 1 sec writing all this down |
| 05:31.17 | defcon8 | ok ill just take the -4 out then again. i hadnt restarted X before as gdm wasnt closing |
| 05:31.33 | jasoncohen | valdyn, can't the maintainer just add libfam0c102 as a dependency? |
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| 05:31.43 | valdyn | jasoncohen: unless you create a false dependency ( which would probably be against debians policy ) |
| 05:31.44 | amphi | Nathum: qemu is damn fast with the kernel module, BTW |
| 05:31.59 | jasoncohen | valdyn, but it is a dependency. fam can't install w/o it |
| 05:32.03 | jasoncohen | can it? |
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| 05:32.08 | valdyn | jasoncohen: exactly yea, that would theoretically be the solution and maybe 'illegal' |
| 05:32.11 | Nethox | amphi: i have problems compiling the accelerator module :S |
| 05:32.16 | pinko | so, what do you do when your WM thinks the resolution is higher than it really is? |
| 05:32.23 | foxiness | what i need to do to import this GPG key from there http://benjamin.sipsolutions.net/debian/stable/ , on rpm --import url ? how can i do that on debian + apt-get |
| 05:32.24 | valdyn | jasoncohen: oh, it can sure. |
| 05:32.26 | jasoncohen | valdyn, i don't understand. if it's not a dependency, why would apt try to remove 1/2 my system? |
| 05:32.27 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I'm not so sure about that... my /usr/sbin/famd doesn't link against any libfam |
| 05:32.30 | mwilson | jasoncohen: It can't? Funny, even your bug report shows it can. |
| 05:32.37 | Nathum | ok well the problem is I dano what kernel is apart from its the brains of linux and upgradable |
| 05:32.38 | Nethox | amphi: there must be the kqemu dir into the qemu source dir, doesnt it? |
| 05:32.43 | amphi | Nethox: yeah? built fine here - did you untar it in the qemu directory? |
| 05:32.51 | bob2 | foxiness: you will never run the rpm command on debian |
| 05:32.53 | amphi | Nethox: yeah |
| 05:32.56 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: ldd on /usr/sbin/famd shows libstdc++, libm, libgcc_s, and libc |
| 05:33.03 | myren | arg, thunderbird is so fucking stupid. it just uses the default smtp server for every email address. what a nincompooop |
| 05:33.08 | amphi | Nethox: and it builds automatically IIRC |
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| 05:33.23 | jasoncohen | myren, you can configure it otherwise. that's the default setup..change it |
| 05:33.26 | foxiness | bob2, k how can i do that here ? |
| 05:33.29 | valdyn | jasoncohen: applications depend on libfam0c102, removing libfam0c102 results in removing all packages depending on it. apt-get just CANNOT know that the better solution would be to install libganim0. ( or vice versa ) |
| 05:33.36 | jasoncohen | mwilson, ah, you're right- after removing 400 packages i could have had fam by itself |
| 05:33.43 | bob2 | foxiness: I don't know what you are asking |
| 05:34.07 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: The only thing on my system that depends on libfam0c102 is libgnomevfs2-common |
| 05:34.29 | jasoncohen | valdyn, but it works the other way around |
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| 05:34.45 | bxjan | hello |
| 05:34.47 | jasoncohen | valdyn, gamin depends on libgamin0 which if you check provides libfam0c102 |
| 05:34.50 | myren | jasoni dont see any way to tell thunderbird whch smtp server to actually use |
| 05:34.53 | Nathum | for somone that wants to swithch from window$ to linux, its not that easy :( |
| 05:35.03 | valdyn | jasoncohen: yea, right, so 'vice versa' |
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| 05:35.05 | jasoncohen | valdyn, apt-get install gamin when fam is installed knows to remove fam & libfam0c102 |
| 05:35.17 | mwilson | jasoncohen: fam (the daemon) does not need the client libraries, so why should it depend on them? |
| 05:35.17 | valdyn | jasoncohen: aye, its just reversed. |
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| 05:35.25 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: From the package description, libfam0c102 seems to be a library to make it easier for apps to connect to the fam daemon... it doesn't actually contain the fam functionality itself |
| 05:35.29 | myren | i dont see any way to tell thunderbird which server to use |
| 05:35.31 | jasoncohen | valdyn, so if it's ok to add libgamin0 == libfam0c102 for gamin, the maintainer of fam could do the same |
| 05:35.41 | myren | i've added a number of smtp servers and it always just uses the defualt |
| 05:35.44 | defcon8 | nope still isnt working. oh and how do i disable the gdm starting all the time at startup |
| 05:35.59 | Nathum | for example, which buisness card do I download coz non of this makes any sence [alpha] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] |
| 05:35.59 | foxiness | bob2, if i add this deb http://benjamin.sipsolutions.net/debian/ stable/ to synaptic than "W: GPG error: http://benjamin.sipsolutions.net stable/ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 25D76F740C4EBDAE |
| 05:35.59 | foxiness | " |
| 05:36.01 | valdyn | jasoncohen: no it isnt, gamin needs libgamin0 to run, fam doesnt need libfam0c102 to run |
| 05:36.03 | mwilson | Boy, he's hung up on this whole "let's depend on libraries we don't need" thing... |
| 05:36.10 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: fam *does not depend on* libfam0c102 |
| 05:36.24 | streuner | Nathum: different archs, if you have to ask its prolly i386 then |
| 05:36.28 | quitte | Nathum: i386 |
| 05:36.31 | defcon8 | anyone? |
| 05:36.43 | valdyn | jasoncohen: the fact that 99.9% of all users of fam need libfam0c102 cant change that ) |
| 05:36.44 | amphi | Nathum: the one for yr architecture - probably i386, for 32-bit intel type processors |
| 05:36.56 | bob2 | foxiness: gpg --recv-key 25D76F740C4EBDAE ; gpg --export 25D76F740C4EBDAE | sudo apt-key add - |
| 05:36.57 | Nathum | ok, I take it i686 is kinda like x86 |
| 05:36.59 | jasoncohen | valdyn, so gamin depends on libgamin0 even though libgamin0 provides libfam0c102? |
| 05:36.59 | mwilson | jasoncohen: This is NOT a bug. Apt did *exactly* what you told it to do. The fact that what you told it isn't what you actually wanted is your own problem. |
| 05:37.08 | liable | defcon8: remove gdm, or the init links for it. |
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| 05:37.25 | quitte | Nathum: no,its ot kinda like. 686 is x86 |
| 05:37.28 | amphi | Nathum: yeah; 686 >=pentium pro IIRC |
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| 05:37.33 | renzoppp | hi |
| 05:37.34 | valdyn | jasoncohen: libgamin0 just also provides stuff that gamin needs. ( gamin is linked against libgamin0 ) |
| 05:37.35 | jasoncohen | mwilson, so, let's say what it did wasn't intelligent conflict resolution |
| 05:37.37 | defcon8 | liable, like uninstall it? |
| 05:37.45 | streuner | !686 |
| 05:37.46 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
| 05:37.52 | renzoppp | I try download patch to compress poptop from |
| 05:37.53 | liable | defcon8: if you dont want it to run, yes. |
| 05:37.54 | renzoppp | http://www.polbox.com/h/hs001/linux-2.6.11-mppe-mppc-1.3.patch.gz |
| 05:37.58 | jasoncohen | mwilson, i would think that if given the choice to install one package v. uninstalling 400, apt should choose the former |
| 05:37.58 | valdyn | jasoncohen: while libfam0c102 is a *pure* client library only used to access fam features |
| 05:38.03 | Nethox | amphi: i think the qmeu compilation works well, but when it starts the kqemu part it says a lot of errors |
| 05:38.03 | renzoppp | and not respond |
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| 05:38.09 | defcon8 | liable, could tha be affecting my resolution? |
| 05:38.16 | liable | defcon8: no. |
| 05:38.23 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Actually, let's say what it did was extremely intelligent, completely following of the documentation, and something that was entirely predictable. |
| 05:38.23 | defcon8 | then what the hell is |
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| 05:38.28 | valdyn | jasoncohen: true, but apt-get is no AI (yet) |
| 05:38.29 | amphi | Nethox: you want to paste 'em in #flood? |
| 05:38.29 | foxiness | bob2, thanks a lot ,can you point me to resorce to learn more to do that by my self on the next time |
| 05:38.35 | bob2 | foxiness: no, sorry |
| 05:38.40 | greyson | Ouch... |
| 05:38.54 | jasoncohen | valdyn, so, i only had this problem because i replaced libfam0c102 with libgamin0 and then tried to install fam w/o libfam0c102 which most users would have as a dependency to some other package? |
| 05:39.00 | mwilson | jasoncohen: If you believe that, you are welcome to file a wishlist bug against apt. You'll get laughed at, but that's your perogative. |
| 05:39.31 | renzoppp | Sarge not implement compress in poptop vpn ? |
| 05:39.32 | Nathum | Ok, the buisness card, when downloading can linux burn the iso to cd and is it bootable? |
| 05:39.33 | jasoncohen | so, you think this is good behavior? |
| 05:39.40 | mwilson | jasoncohen: You betcha. |
| 05:39.41 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Installing fam while libgamin0 is installed shouldn't cause any problems that I can see |
| 05:39.42 | musgl | anyone here use gnomeeting ? |
| 05:39.47 | bob2 | Nathum: of course... |
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| 05:40.16 | Nathum | so, I would have a normal desktop after booting off the buisness card |
| 05:40.16 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: because not having libfam0c102 does not prevent fam from being installed |
| 05:40.17 | defcon8 | i just cant figure out why the resolution isnt working |
| 05:40.23 | Nathum | or be in shell? |
| 05:40.23 | valdyn | Wyzard: it does not cause a broken system but it will remove everything that depends on libfam0c102 or libgamin0 |
| 05:40.27 | mwilson | jasoncohen: You gave apt *explicit* instructions, by telling it to install a single package. In order to do what you told it, well, you see the result. I suppose you'd be filing the bug the other way if it'd just refused? |
| 05:40.28 | Wyzard | Nathum: No, you'll have the installer |
| 05:40.36 | Nathum | ok thanks |
| 05:40.40 | trave11er | Nathum: you will need network access to install the base system |
| 05:41.02 | renzoppp | Sarge not implement compress in poptop vpn ? |
| 05:41.02 | Nathum | ummmm, netword drivers? |
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| 05:41.05 | Wyzard | valdyn: Why would it? fam does not depend on libfam0c102 and does not conflict with libgamin0 |
| 05:41.08 | jasoncohen | mwilson, libfam0c102 isn't even a recommended package |
| 05:41.09 | musgl | firestarter use iptables ? |
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| 05:41.27 | jasoncohen | so, why remove all those packages if libgamin0 isnt' a conflict of fam? |
| 05:41.28 | Nathum | would the network be auto configured? |
| 05:41.29 | hanasaki | i have a dual output nvidia 5700 . got both crt's up and runinng as their own screens.. how do i get the curos over to the 2nd screen on the 2nd monitory? |
| 05:41.33 | DB_ | Why would ps aux show an inetd process running as www-data, while top shows the same pid listed as perl and consuming 100% of the proc? |
| 05:41.39 | streuner | Nathum: what kind of i-net connection do you have (hardware router, DSL)? |
| 05:41.39 | valdyn | Wyzard: fam conflicts with ganim and ganim depends on libgamin0. |
| 05:41.42 | mwilson | jasoncohen: You're right, there's no reason for it to be a recommended package. |
| 05:41.52 | liable | musgl: yes |
| 05:42.07 | Nathum | modem > router d-link stored pass ect |
| 05:42.14 | mwilson | jasoncohen: valdyn is explaining to you why. |
| 05:42.15 | jasoncohen | if libgamin0 provides libfam0c102 and it doesn't have to be removed to install fam, then why did apt want to remove 400 packages? |
| 05:42.25 | defcon8 | please can someone help me get my resolution sorted out? |
| 05:42.26 | Wyzard | valdyn: Ah... and libgamin0 depends on gamin; that's the problem |
| 05:42.27 | quitte | is it possible to have 1024x768 grub splash images? |
| 05:42.38 | streuner | Nathum: hm, that's usually pretty easy then... |
| 05:42.40 | valdyn | Wyzard: yea |
| 05:42.50 | jasoncohen | valdyn, oh- i see, so it had to remove gamin to install fam and gamin required libgamin0 which provided libfam0c102 which was required by those 400 packages |
| 05:42.51 | jasoncohen | i get it |
| 05:43.08 | trave11er | Nathum: if your network card is supported and the router gives out ip addresses over dhcp, then yes |
| 05:43.11 | TigerWraith | can someone tell me what all packages i need for a web server is it, apache2, php4, mysql, php4-mysql ? |
| 05:43.20 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Right... and it wouldn't have happened if libgamin0 recommended, rather than depended on, gamin |
| 05:43.25 | defcon8 | anyone :'( |
| 05:43.26 | jasoncohen | so, if libgamin0 didn't depend on gamin, that wouldn't happen? |
| 05:43.29 | Nathum | Im not really a noob, I know my networking and pritty much all windowz crap, but i learn fast |
| 05:43.37 | trave11er | Nathum: but i would recommend to use the netinst iso, which allows standalone installation of the base system |
| 05:43.38 | valdyn | anyway, specifying the replacment for libganim0 ( which is libfam0c102 ) avoids all the hassle. |
| 05:43.44 | mwilson | TigerWraith: Why do you need php4, mysql, and php4-mysql for a web server? Apache is a web server. |
| 05:43.49 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, got it- so the problem isn't fam- it's gamin's dependencies |
| 05:43.51 | traumatik | i have a stupid question , how do you enter a directory with a space like Program Files with a terminal |
| 05:43.59 | jasoncohen | *sorry, libgamin0's dependencies |
| 05:44.02 | streuner | Nathum: we call someone who is new to debian newbie too ;-) |
| 05:44.07 | trave11er | Nathum: then you can pull in the rest of the crap from the net |
| 05:44.11 | quitte | cd Program\ Files |
| 05:44.11 | defcon8 | damn |
| 05:44.11 | amphi | traumatik: tab-completion, quote it, or escape the space |
| 05:44.12 | Nathum | ok... lol thats me |
| 05:44.18 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: libfam0c102 recommends fam, so it *might* be a bug that libgamin0 depends rather than recommends, but I don't know enough about it to be sure |
| 05:44.21 | TigerWraith | mwilson: well i want to run phpbb2 also and i nknow i need php and myqql |
| 05:44.24 | TigerWraith | err mysql |
| 05:44.40 | Face_Fantastic | Where can I find a testing source for using apt to get amule, and how do I add it? |
| 05:44.45 | mwilson | Goodie, another rooted web server... that's all the world needs. |
| 05:44.45 | hanasaki | how do i move my curor to the 2nd of two screens ? there are two montiors each with an output from the dual out nvidia card |
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| 05:45.02 | valdyn | Wyzard: not a bug, gamin isnt linked against libgamin0 |
| 05:45.04 | TigerWraith | lol, no i just want to host my own web pages |
| 05:45.23 | renzoppp | Sarge not support compress data to poptop VPN ?? why ?? |
| 05:45.37 | Nathum | i gave up with the forums, as the problems im having in knoppix are endless, and had a problem with mandrake prob coz i only have CD 1 4 5 7 lol |
| 05:45.40 | mwilson | TigerWraith: Like I said. |
| 05:45.50 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, now i understand why you were saying this isn't a bug in apt |
| 05:46.03 | TigerWraith | just figured i can use one of my old boxes to host my web pages, instead of paying someone else to host them |
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| 05:46.21 | Nathum | lol@Tiger |
| 05:46.25 | Wyzard | valdyn: gamin and libgamin0 depend on each other. I can understand the gamin -> libgamin0 dependency, but not the libgamin0 -> gamin |
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| 05:46.35 | streuner | Nathum: installing debian make an end of people's DJ life just in time ;-) |
| 05:46.54 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, libgamin0 provides what libfam0c102 provides + stuff for gamin |
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| 05:47.10 | mwilson | Wyzard: Probably because while gamin is a subset of fam, libgamin doesn't talk to fam. They're not interchangeable. |
| 05:47.16 | defcon8 | i am having problms with setting my resolution on debian. i first made it automatic but then because the resolution was 800x600 i wanted to change it to 1024x768. as many succesful times before i used xf86config to change the resolution but it doesnt seem to work atall. it is still on 800x600 |
| 05:47.20 | Nathum | I hope so, coz I dont wana be spending the whole day searching google on how to get a simple FTP server running ;) |
| 05:47.33 | TigerWraith | i had it up and working before when i let debian install but for some reason php didnt install with mysql or pgsql support |
| 05:47.35 | Nathum | and still couldnt get it to work |
| 05:47.36 | mwilson | Wyzard: But that's only a guess. |
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| 05:48.00 | TigerWraith | i figured out how to get ftp working on my box lastnight |
| 05:48.03 | valdyn | Wyzard: libgamin0 has nothing to talk to if gamin is missing. Fam however is ( i guess ) network transparent so it does not need a local libfam |
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| 05:48.20 | defcon8 | i feel like i am being ignored |
| 05:48.26 | mwilson | valdyn: fam can listen on other than localhost, yes. |
| 05:48.28 | trave11er | Face_Fantastic: is it absolutely crucial for you to run amule? mldonkey has access to emule as well, i think |
| 05:48.31 | liable | defcon8: paste the config somewhere. |
| 05:48.36 | mwilson | valdyn: fam wants portmap. |
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| 05:48.56 | marcot | Hello, do you know why isn't cinelerra in debian? |
| 05:49.07 | defcon8 | liable, i will in flood |
| 05:49.16 | TigerWraith | defcon8: i had that problem too, untill i started installing packages manually |
| 05:49.18 | liable | defcon8: no, put it on a paster |
| 05:49.18 | jasoncohen | mwilson, portmap is only a recommend |
| 05:49.25 | defcon8 | ok |
| 05:49.38 | valdyn | mwilson / wyzard: right.. so if fam couldnt listen on the network then the whole issue would go away |
| 05:49.42 | Nathum | oh and yea, is there a startup file that runs a console command automaticky, coz to brows networks, I have to ./lisadeamon everytime i boot |
| 05:49.48 | Wyzard | valdyn: hmm... I suppose, but I still think that should be a recommends... an app might link with libgamin but provide an option to not do any file monitoring, and then it doesn't care if there's no gamin daemon |
| 05:50.03 | trave11er | marcot: because nobody cared enough to package it? |
| 05:50.08 | mwilson | Wyzard: Operative word being "might". |
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| 05:50.22 | marcot | trave11er: hum... I thought that it would have some kind of problem. |
| 05:50.22 | TigerWraith | so mwilson are those the packages i need to apt-get? |
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| 05:50.31 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, that plus the fact that there's a circular dependency and we've seen a case where it causes a problem |
| 05:50.32 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, did you build amule? |
| 05:50.34 | mwilson | Wyzard: Want to deal with the reverse case of the whiner who can't understand why monitoring doesn't work because they don't have the daemon installed? |
| 05:50.37 | marcot | trave11er: because it's already packaged in unofficial reeeeepositories. |
| 05:50.38 | trave11er | marcot: i don't know, it might |
| 05:50.40 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, i gave you instructions |
| 05:50.43 | mwilson | Wyzard: I don't see the problem. |
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| 05:50.56 | Gumby | does anyone here know of a good wireless applet that docks in the tasktray and shows current detected wireless AP's? |
| 05:51.05 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, that's why we're telling people to use aptitude, which installs recommended packages by default :-) |
| 05:51.06 | bob2 | Gumby: netapplet |
| 05:51.19 | defcon8 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ik94Be43.html |
| 05:51.21 | Gumby | thx bob2 |
| 05:51.29 | mwilson | Wyzard: It's exactly the same case as the whiners who can't understand why an X server doesn't depend on font packages. |
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| 05:52.03 | streuner | Nathum: what does '/list...' do? |
| 05:52.28 | Wyzard | mwilson: I think that's analogous to libfam's not depending on fam, but not analogous to the gamin situation |
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| 05:53.03 | defcon8 | liable, so what do i do? |
| 05:53.07 | liable | defcon8: is that the whole file? |
| 05:53.17 | mwilson | Wyzard: Having libganim without the daemon is a nonsense statement. Having libfam without the daemon is not. |
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| 05:53.42 | liable | defcon8: what distro are you running? |
| 05:54.05 | defcon8 | debian lol |
| 05:54.10 | defcon8 | yeah its the whole file |
| 05:54.42 | liable | defcon8: well, did you copy that file from somewhere? |
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| 05:54.51 | defcon8 | i catted it and pasted |
| 05:54.52 | Wyzard | mwilson: I understand that; I'm just trying to balance it against the fact that libgamin Provides/Conflicts/Replaces libfam, which (apparently) means it can be used to talk to famd, so you can use it without having gamin |
| 05:54.54 | amphi | does debian lol = experimental? |
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| 05:54.59 | streuner | Nathum: what irc-client do you use, btw? |
| 05:55.06 | Wyzard | mwilson: Maybe it should depend on "gamin | fam" |
| 05:55.17 | jetx | Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main libxrender1 1:0.9.0-2 |
| 05:55.17 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.22 | defcon8 | amphi, debian like ofucking lannoying atm |
| 05:55.23 | jetx | all of em |
| 05:55.29 | liable | defcon8: it isnt a debian config, rename it, and start again. |
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| 05:55.38 | defcon8 | liable, rename it to what? |
| 05:55.42 | mwilson | Wyzard: It does those things because it provides the same API to applications expecting to be able to find fam. |
| 05:55.46 | Nathum | I think I have problems again, chat widows all frozen |
| 05:55.50 | mwilson | Wyzard: Not because it can talk to fam itself. |
| 05:55.53 | liable | defcon8: anything, but the proper name. |
| 05:56.02 | defcon8 | liable, wtf? |
| 05:56.12 | Nathum | I see, X-chat |
| 05:56.14 | defcon8 | i didnt actually paste the ton of writing at the start |
| 05:56.18 | liable | defcon8: make a new fucking file for xfree |
| 05:56.31 | Nathum | 2.0.10 |
| 05:56.34 | bcole | in debian where would i set serial parameters at startup? |
| 05:56.44 | Wyzard | mwilson: ah... so if you were to install libgamin, your programs would still work because they'd use the same API and would be talking to the gamin daemon that got pulled in as a dependency |
| 05:56.45 | defcon8 | liable, ok done |
| 05:57.13 | mwilson | Wyzard: gamin is a non-RPC replacement for fam. |
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| 05:57.21 | streuner | Nathum: what distro do you use actually? |
| 05:57.21 | Nathum | I think it has something to do with my download of the buisnesscard, weres netlimiter when you need it :( |
| 05:57.30 | mentorofAustria | bring on inotify anyway... |
| 05:57.46 | defcon8 | the businesscard is fuxed atm i think. worked fine with the bigger one |
| 05:57.48 | Nathum | im running a live cd, but installed on hdd |
| 05:57.51 | liable | defcon8: touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 05:57.53 | bob2 | Nathum: no, they have idential package selections |
| 05:57.58 | Nathum | 1 sec ill ctrl+f1 |
| 05:58.02 | myren | what bind stuff needs changing on the secondary? |
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| 05:58.16 | ImadTheMAD | hmm....where is there an introduction to debian? |
| 05:58.20 | defcon8 | liable, yeah done |
| 05:58.24 | Wyzard | mwilson: Then I agree that the package metadata is correct... the cause of jasoncohen's "problem" is that when removing a package, apt doesn't consider other packages which Provide the same name, but it's not clear that it'd even be meaningful for it to try to do that, so I'll just call it a random quirk. :-) |
| 05:58.32 | ImadTheMAD | i dont know what it is i just stumbled across it and i am interested |
| 05:58.43 | liable | defcon8: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 05:59.20 | liable | defcon8: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 05:59.26 | amphi | ImadTheMAD: install the debian reference, or read it at debian.org |
| 05:59.29 | Nathum | Debian GNY/Linux 3.1 |
| 05:59.38 | Nathum | GNU** |
| 05:59.42 | defcon8 | cheers man |
| 05:59.43 | Face_Fantastic | trave11er, what's mldonkey? |
| 05:59.44 | amphi | Nathum: 2.4 kernel huh? |
| 05:59.49 | ImadTheMAD | ty |
| 05:59.53 | liable | defcon8: then, after edit it to put in your resolutions if you have to. |
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| 06:00.27 | trave11er | Face_Fantastic: apt-cache show mldonkey-server |
| 06:00.45 | trave11er | there is also mldonkey-gui |
| 06:00.46 | Face_Fantastic | works like amule/emule |
| 06:00.54 | mwilson | <sigh> /me takes the author of HAL out and shoots him |
| 06:00.55 | Face_Fantastic | the gui appears to be for kde |
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| 06:01.10 | mwilson | Gnome has no business pretending it knows anything about hardware... |
| 06:01.24 | quitte | mwilson: that'd be a massacre |
| 06:01.29 | defcon8 | liable, ok thanks so much. ill reboot now. it wont start gdm either |
| 06:01.30 | amphi | mwilson: heh |
| 06:01.31 | Face_Fantastic | im using gnome |
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| 06:01.38 | trave11er | Face_Fantastic: i don't use this stuff, just proposing a possible alternative |
| 06:01.42 | Face_Fantastic | traveller, is there any gnome alternative for mldonkey |
| 06:01.42 | pinko | liable: where is the default resolution written, for xfree86? |
| 06:02.06 | Face_Fantastic | traveller, I just need to know how to add apt sources |
| 06:02.07 | pinko | a config file somewhere other than that one? |
| 06:02.08 | trave11er | Face_Fantastic: mldonkey-gui says that it's gtk based |
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| 06:02.10 | liable | pinko: it will use the highest by default I believe. |
| 06:02.18 | jasoncohen | anyone know why kdebase-dev, kdelibs4-dev, kdemultimedia-dev depend on libfam-dev and libfam0c102 and aren't satisfied by libgamin-dev and libgamin0? |
| 06:02.26 | Nathum | soz just frozz up for a couple of mins, looking........ |
| 06:02.33 | trave11er | Face_Fantastic: hm, weren't you looking for emule client? |
| 06:02.35 | pinko | I guess so. |
| 06:02.47 | ImadTheMAD | i still dont understand...what is so different than windows? |
| 06:02.56 | Face_Fantastic | traveller, yesir |
| 06:03.09 | Face_Fantastic | traveller, i need to add a testing source |
| 06:03.12 | pinko | Manually removing the top res from there would probably be the wrong way to keep it from going that high... |
| 06:03.14 | trave11er | Face_Fantastic: so mldonkey- |
| 06:03.23 | trave11er | stuff is an alternative |
| 06:03.23 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Because libgamin-dev conflicts with libfam-dev, as it should. |
| 06:03.27 | quitte | ImadTheMAD: read the gpl and compare it to the windows eula |
| 06:03.32 | Face_Fantastic | traveller, mldonkey-gui? |
| 06:03.51 | Face_Fantastic | traveller, i have no package for an mldonkey-gui |
| 06:03.56 | jasoncohen | mwilson, but kde can use fam or gamin, so why can't it use libfam-dev or libgamin-dev? |
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| 06:04.06 | trave11er | Face_Fantastic: hm, i have one in sid |
| 06:04.06 | Nathum | Kernal 2.4.27 |
| 06:04.14 | jasoncohen | the conflict doesn't matter if you're using one or the other |
| 06:04.15 | DukGalNamu | anybody here manage to get diablo2 LOD working? |
| 06:04.24 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, i think that's only in sid |
| 06:04.24 | DukGalNamu | with wine? |
| 06:04.27 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Because the two development packages don' |
| 06:04.28 | Face_Fantastic | traveller, yeah |
| 06:04.31 | liable | whenever I see eula, for some reason I think of war of the worlds. Strange. |
| 06:04.36 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Because the two development packages don't provide the same functionality. |
| 06:04.40 | Face_Fantastic | traveller, whats the command to edit the apt-sources list |
| 06:04.45 | Face_Fantastic | traveller, like, whats the file |
| 06:04.47 | amphi | ImadTheMAD: everything, really |
| 06:04.51 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, why didn't you just build amule from sid? |
| 06:04.58 | mwilson | Not that I care about problems that KDE might have. |
| 06:04.59 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:05.10 | trave11er | Face_Fantastic: what jasoncohen said |
| 06:05.11 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, I'm a noob beyond noob. |
| 06:05.18 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, actually my third day in debian |
| 06:05.18 | DukGalNamu | jasoncohen: beat me to it |
| 06:05.22 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, :-p |
| 06:05.26 | mwilson | Ok, what is the minimum set of packages I'm going to have to locally build THIS time... |
| 06:05.27 | trave11er | Face_Fantastic: but don't upgrade to sid just for the sake of emule client |
| 06:05.36 | jasoncohen | mwilson, i only care because every time i want to rebuild amarok SVN i have to uninstall gamin, install kde dev packages and then install gamin |
| 06:05.38 | Face_Fantastic | traveller, I'm not. |
| 06:05.43 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, thanks |
| 06:05.44 | Face_Fantastic | traveller, just adding a testing source |
| 06:05.46 | cat-dog | debian's package management is the best ,nothing can be better |
| 06:05.54 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, i gave you exact directions for doing it |
| 06:06.02 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Then don't use gamin, problem solved. |
| 06:06.15 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, yeah thanks, i have them written down |
| 06:06.22 | jasoncohen | !simple sid backport |
| 06:06.23 | dpkg | it has been said that simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 06:06.23 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, i just need to find a testing source |
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| 06:06.34 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, no, you need a sid deb-src |
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| 06:06.49 | jasoncohen | amule isn't in testing...neither is the mldonkey stuff |
| 06:06.50 | mwilson | Gods, amarok is an ugly POS. |
| 06:06.58 | TwistedLappy | what is backport? |
| 06:07.10 | streuner | !backport |
| 06:07.10 | dpkg | well, backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 06:07.29 | TwistedLappy | oh.. |
| 06:07.39 | jasoncohen | TwistedLappy, when you want to build a newer package on an older release. so Face_Fantastic wants amule from sid on sarge |
| 06:07.51 | trave11er | jasoncohen: :-) |
| 06:07.53 | TwistedLappy | I get it.. |
| 06:07.55 | jasoncohen | mwilson, you think amarok is ugly? i like the look |
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| 06:08.30 | jasoncohen | and now you can even get lyrics + wikipedia entries on artists/songs- quite cool |
| 06:08.39 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, i followed your directions, and got The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 06:08.39 | Face_Fantastic | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.54 | mwilson | jasoncohen: It's a KDE app... hard to be anything but butt-ugly. |
| 06:09.08 | amphi | Face_Fantastic: you're entering a world of pain |
| 06:09.11 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, you rebuilt it? |
| 06:09.23 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, i just followed your instructions main. |
| 06:09.46 | jasoncohen | shouldn't it rebuild against his libgcc version? |
| 06:09.56 | streuner | jasoncohen: hm |
| 06:10.04 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Screenshots make it out to be your average incredibly fscked-up KDE UI. |
| 06:10.14 | jasoncohen | that's the whole idea of rebuilding it- so you don't need to take 1/2 of sid to get one package |
| 06:10.19 | streuner | jasoncohen: sid's version is compiled prolly with gcc4.0... |
| 06:10.25 | jasoncohen | mwilson, to each his own i suppose :) |
| 06:10.43 | jasoncohen | streuner, yeah, but if he rebuilds, should it compile with gcc 3.3 or 3.4? |
| 06:10.50 | jasoncohen | *shouldn't |
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| 06:11.05 | Gumby | bob2: any idea which file netapplet reads for its different wireless networks? |
| 06:11.06 | streuner | jasoncohen: that would't have any effect to the depends... |
| 06:11.17 | jasoncohen | oh, so he'll have to rebuild from source |
| 06:11.21 | Nethox | icenix: find cand search by permissions, i dont understand you with :"download perms" |
| 06:11.37 | Nethox | oops... |
| 06:11.38 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, http://ovh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/amule/aMule-2.0.3.tar.gz |
| 06:11.39 | streuner | jasoncohen: uhm... |
| 06:11.58 | jasoncohen | streuner, i don't think he wants to take gcc 4 stuff onto his sarge box |
| 06:11.59 | bob2 | Gumby: none |
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| 06:12.17 | amphi | Face_Fantastic: jasoncohen may be leading you into the abyss ;) |
| 06:12.20 | jasoncohen | he's already done apt-get build-dep amule so he should be able to ./configure && make && make install |
| 06:12.28 | Face_Fantastic | deb http://ovh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/amule/aMule-2.0.3.tar.gz ? |
| 06:12.33 | mwilson | hmmm... build python-gnome2 without Gnome and do you get something that at least supports GTK... |
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| 06:12.43 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, no, just download it in a browser |
| 06:12.50 | streuner | jasoncohen: build-essential would help too |
| 06:12.59 | jasoncohen | streuner, right :) |
| 06:13.06 | jasoncohen | heh, always forget that one |
| 06:13.06 | hris | can i read pdf format from command prompt |
| 06:13.14 | hris | what is the utility |
| 06:13.36 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, apt-get install build-essential |
| 06:13.43 | amphi | hris: there's a console ps viewer |
| 06:13.53 | Face_Fantastic | already have it |
| 06:14.12 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, extract the tar.gz with tar -zxvf aMule-2.0.3.tar.gz . then cd to aMule-2.0.3 and ./configure && make && make install |
| 06:14.36 | Face_Fantastic | tar: aMule-2.0.3.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 06:14.36 | Face_Fantastic | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 06:14.36 | Face_Fantastic | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 06:14.36 | Face_Fantastic | tar: .: Not found in archive |
| 06:14.36 | Face_Fantastic | tar: then: Not found in archive |
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| 06:14.45 | jasoncohen | heh |
| 06:14.46 | amphi | hris: bmv - I have a little script that does the ps->pdf conversion and displays it with bmv, if you want it |
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| 06:14.57 | Face_Fantastic | oops. |
| 06:15.03 | Face_Fantastic | big errors |
| 06:15.19 | amphi | hris: er, pdf->ps |
| 06:15.21 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, tar -zxvf |
| 06:15.23 | jasoncohen | what did you do? |
| 06:15.31 | Face_Fantastic | tar -zxvf aMule-2.0.3.tar.gz . then cd to aMule-2.0.3 and ./configure && make && make |
| 06:15.37 | Nethox | Face_Fantastic: supress the final dot in the first command |
| 06:15.37 | Face_Fantastic | oops |
| 06:15.37 | Face_Fantastic | lol |
| 06:15.47 | jasoncohen | um...one at a time |
| 06:15.51 | technos | .... Chop off everything after .gz |
| 06:16.01 | Nethox | jasoncohen: ok, sorry |
| 06:16.05 | Face_Fantastic | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 06:16.20 | jasoncohen | Nethox, why are you apologizing? |
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| 06:16.24 | technos | Just "tar -zxvf aMule-2.0.3.tar.gz" :) |
| 06:16.44 | jasoncohen | and don't include the ":)" :) |
| 06:16.49 | Face_Fantastic | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 06:16.49 | Face_Fantastic | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 06:16.49 | Face_Fantastic | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 06:16.55 | Face_Fantastic | i did |
| 06:16.57 | Face_Fantastic | tar -zxvf aMule-2.0.3.tar.gz |
| 06:17.09 | bob2 | Face_Fantastic: stop pasting shit |
| 06:17.10 | amphi | Face_Fantastic: just live without yr mule thing ;) |
| 06:17.17 | Face_Fantastic | negative. |
| 06:17.19 | jasoncohen | it works fine here |
| 06:17.25 | jasoncohen | tar -zxvf aMule-2.0.3.tar.gz |
| 06:17.30 | streuner | Face_Fantastic: tar option file is enough |
| 06:17.32 | jasoncohen | copy that line |
| 06:17.35 | bob2 | Face_Fantastic: tar -xf aMule-2.0.3.tar.gz |
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| 06:17.38 | streuner | NOT with '-' |
| 06:17.41 | Nethox | jasoncohen: um...one at a time <-- i thought you were saying something like: i am helping him yet |
| 06:17.48 | bob2 | !+info amule sid |
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| 06:17.51 | dpkg | amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2645 kB, Installed size: 7696 kB |
| 06:17.53 | sith-R2D2 | where does my kernel boot load sshd? i'm trying to disable the sshd service |
| 06:17.54 | bob2 | wtf |
| 06:17.54 | streuner | tar don't need '-'... |
| 06:17.57 | jasoncohen | Nethox, oh, no- i meant one command at a time |
| 06:17.58 | Tyche | hello....where is apache configured? |
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| 06:18.03 | Tyche | /etc/apache2? |
| 06:18.04 | bob2 | sith-R2D2: sarge or etch or sid? |
| 06:18.05 | streuner | bob2: he is using sarge |
| 06:18.07 | amphi | sith-R2D2: update-rc.d |
| 06:18.07 | Face_Fantastic | says theres no file or directory |
| 06:18.12 | bob2 | Tyche: apache2, yes |
| 06:18.13 | sith-R2D2 | bob2, sarge |
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| 06:18.20 | tvn | the tightvnc package in Debian uses setting from /etc/X11/Xsession, is there a way to tell it to use settings from other file ? |
| 06:18.21 | jasoncohen | streuner, but that shouldn't be the cause of his failures. it works with or without the "-" |
| 06:18.22 | bob2 | sith-R2D2: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow ssh |
| 06:18.39 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 06:18.51 | jasoncohen | -plow ? |
| 06:18.56 | Face_Fantastic | :( |
| 06:18.56 | sith-R2D2 | i would rather edit the file manually...shall i edit update-rc.d as amphi suggested? |
| 06:18.57 | Tyche | bob2: thank you. And to install php is it the best to use libapache2-mod-php4? for the apache 2.0 module? |
| 06:19.01 | streuner | jasoncohen: uhm, he should have that file then ;-) |
| 06:19.06 | bob2 | Tyche: indeed |
| 06:19.17 | Tyche | great...you have been extreme help. |
| 06:19.19 | jasoncohen | streuner, oh, we forgot to tell him the obvious |
| 06:19.20 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, do you want me to set you a root password to see if you can figure it out? |
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| 06:19.33 | bob2 | sith-R2D2: edit *what* file manually? |
| 06:19.34 | amphi | sith-R2D2: you'd run update-rc.d, if that's what you were going to use |
| 06:19.35 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, you must be IN THE DIRECTORY where you downloaded aMule-2.0.3.tar.gz!! |
| 06:19.43 | Face_Fantastic | figures. |
| 06:19.45 | Face_Fantastic | noob mistake |
| 06:19.48 | jasoncohen | LOL |
| 06:19.51 | amphi | Face_Fantastic: heh |
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| 06:20.00 | jasoncohen | ok, now turn on the monitor |
| 06:20.05 | jasoncohen | :) |
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| 06:20.22 | Face_Fantastic | tar -xf aMule-2.0.3.tar.gz |
| 06:20.22 | Face_Fantastic | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.24 | Face_Fantastic | or the otheR? |
| 06:20.32 | jasoncohen | doesn't matter- either should work |
| 06:20.34 | streuner | !tr |
| 06:20.34 | dpkg | trke yardm iin #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 06:20.39 | Face_Fantastic | k |
| 06:20.41 | streuner | !tar |
| 06:20.41 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 06:20.46 | Face_Fantastic | its seems to be done |
| 06:20.47 | Face_Fantastic | now what? |
| 06:21.18 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, cd aMule-2.0.3 |
| 06:21.32 | liable | the full path |
| 06:21.44 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, ok |
| 06:21.52 | sith-R2D2 | so is Debian going to have a fourth branch called "n00bian"? |
| 06:21.59 | bob2 | no |
| 06:22.04 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, ./configure |
| 06:22.26 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, ok |
| 06:22.31 | jasoncohen | did it work? |
| 06:22.31 | simonrvn | nubians already exist |
| 06:22.37 | Face_Fantastic | er |
| 06:22.42 | technos | sith-R2D2: Yes. It installs a pirate copy of Windows XP for you and then calls the product activation folks. |
| 06:22.53 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, configure: error: unable to use zlib - no peer found |
| 06:23.17 | amphi | Face_Fantastic: ... a world of pain |
| 06:23.29 | simonrvn | missing zlib1g or something. though it should be there |
| 06:23.57 | Nathum | #knoppix |
| 06:24.00 | Face_Fantastic | amphi, if he's being kind and walking me through it, it shouldnt be that bad. |
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| 06:24.50 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, you didn't do apt-get build-dep amule |
| 06:25.09 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.15 | simonrvn | uh, yeh, -dev... |
| 06:25.19 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, E: Unable to find a source package for amule |
| 06:25.27 | bob2 | it's probably not worth trying to help people who won't do what you say |
| 06:25.33 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, um, you said you had already done that1 |
| 06:25.39 | bob2 | or report the errors that happen when they try |
| 06:25.40 | jasoncohen | grr |
| 06:25.52 | jasoncohen | bob2, probably, but i've gone this far |
| 06:26.34 | Face_Fantastic | hey sorry, i'm not trying to be incompetent, i am a super noob |
| 06:27.03 | Face_Fantastic | there are no source packages for amule in stable |
| 06:27.05 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.15 | jasoncohen | copy that line into a root terminal and hit enter |
| 06:27.21 | bob2 | er |
| 06:27.24 | jasoncohen | wait, no |
| 06:27.26 | liable | /etc/apt..... |
| 06:27.26 | bob2 | typo on the filename |
| 06:27.26 | jasoncohen | grr |
| 06:27.28 | jasoncohen | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:27.49 | jasoncohen | bob2, i used that as a testing command so i wouldn't overwrite my sources.list file to make sure the syntax was correct |
| 06:28.02 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, echo 'deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free' >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:28.17 | Nethox | jasoncohen: usually happens when you want to help someone step by step :P |
| 06:28.20 | bob2 | hah |
| 06:28.35 | Tyche | bob2: Sorry to lean on you so much this evening...I'm curious about mysql. Would I install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql? |
| 06:28.39 | Face_Fantastic | done |
| 06:28.55 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, now type: |
| 06:29.01 | jasoncohen | apt-get update; apt-get build-dep amule |
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| 06:29.35 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, so, wtf did you do before when you said you had added an unstable source & did an apt-get build-dep amule? |
| 06:29.41 | bob2 | Tyche: you'd want mysql-server, first |
| 06:29.46 | Face_Fantastic | I added one I found before |
| 06:29.47 | myren | god damn crappy windows client |
| 06:29.50 | Face_Fantastic | apparantly it didnt work |
| 06:29.52 | bob2 | Tyche: the apache module there is only for mysql-based apache authentication |
| 06:29.54 | myren | i need a frakking secondary dns NOW |
| 06:30.18 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, one you "found" before? ...heh |
| 06:30.31 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, ok, well is apt-get build-dep amule working now? |
| 06:30.31 | Face_Fantastic | two sources |
| 06:30.40 | Tyche | Oh, okay. there is an app that needs mysql...and so I need the db portion of it. |
| 06:30.42 | Face_Fantastic | yessir, its done |
| 06:30.46 | cat | bob2: what packaged should i download, if i want to used my mouse on a terminal i keep on forgetting the name |
| 06:30.49 | Face_Fantastic | sorry about the missunderstanding |
| 06:30.54 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, well, after this is done you should remove all sources except the sarge sources and the sid deb-src line |
| 06:31.03 | Face_Fantastic | of course |
| 06:31.05 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, ok, now run ./configure |
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| 06:31.27 | amphi | cat: gpm |
| 06:31.32 | bob2 | cat: gpm |
| 06:31.34 | jasoncohen | ...of course- i had to tell you that tar needed to be run in the directory that you downloaded the file. i'm not taking anything for granted. |
| 06:31.40 | cat | thnx (: |
| 06:31.45 | rking | is there a non-curses equivalent to "top"? i'd like to have a script that outputs the current load average, but without going into the whole interface |
| 06:31.48 | jasoncohen | i would rather you already know than you trash your system with sid stuff |
| 06:31.59 | rking | and heLp is spamming |
| 06:32.19 | amphi | rking: uptime ;) |
| 06:32.27 | rking | amphi: right! sorry |
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| 06:32.36 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic, while that's going, paste the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" in #flood |
| 06:32.38 | Face_Fantastic | it seems to be working |
| 06:32.49 | jasoncohen | rking, sorry |
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| 06:32.59 | rking | jasoncohen: for what? |
| 06:33.15 | jasoncohen | rking, didn't you just say i was spamming? |
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| 06:33.22 | rking | i said heLp was |
| 06:33.40 | Dustin` | when you join this channel, this guy help here sends a private message and advertises a porn vid link. someone give him a kick |
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| 06:33.41 | jasoncohen | oh, i thought you were saying my attempting to help Face_Fantastic was spamming the channel |
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| 06:34.01 | rking | when i joined #debian i got spam from a "heLp" bot... maybe indirectly controlled by somebody on the channel... let me join/rejoin see if i can hunt the SOB down |
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| 06:34.34 | Face_Fantastic | jasoncohen, its posted |
| 06:34.36 | liable | !ops heLp pornbot |
| 06:34.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: heLp pornbot |
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| 06:35.13 | technos | Yup, porn spam bot. |
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| 06:35.26 | shike | dammit, what was that URL!? |
| 06:35.27 | mortalman | Ok, somehow I foobared my bootlader. No, prob, boot the install CD, mount the partition, chroot it, and run the bootloader installer. NOT. For some reason /dev/hda1 doesn't exist. Any suggestions appreciated. |
| 06:35.31 | Tyche | bob2: do I need to do something in order to view my apache2 page from outside the server? It works fine when I do localhost, but when I try to view the ip address it says "connection was refused" |
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| 06:35.35 | Nethox | everybody's cycling for testing or the URL? :P |
| 06:35.44 | bob2 | Tyche: that means someone is playing firewall games |
| 06:35.46 | liable | haha |
| 06:35.50 | bob2 | or you're on an unroutable ipa ddress |
| 06:36.11 | Tyche | bob2: firewall on my debian machine? |
| 06:36.45 | shike | why does aptitude keep removing smbfs? i installed it with apt-get, and whenever i run aptitude it removes it... |
| 06:36.56 | amphi | heh |
| 06:37.27 | Nethox | shike: aptitude unmarkauto package |
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| 06:39.17 | shike | Nethox: thanks! |
| 06:41.30 | jasoncohen | Face_Fantastic apparently did a apt-get build-dep amule and it's complaining that he doesn't have zlib installed. zlib1g is a build-dep but not zlib1g-dev |
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| 06:41.45 | jasoncohen | it being ./configure |
| 06:42.47 | nomad_cz | Hi. How often will be volatile updated ? I am asking because of a new version of Clamav. Thanks a lot. |
| 06:42.50 | jasoncohen | nevermind, i think he's doing something wrong |
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| 06:44.49 | gpfreitas | Hi -- how can I configure the console fonts? |
| 06:46.11 | jasoncohen | gpfreitas, what terminal are you using? |
| 06:46.22 | deadcat | jasoncohen: CONSOLE |
| 06:46.33 | jasoncohen | ah, sorry |
| 06:46.40 | jasoncohen | i'll shutup now |
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| 06:47.12 | gpfreitas | I am having problems in displaying some latin fonts. It was ok, but after I tried to install Sid through a debootstrap the console fonts got messed up. |
| 06:47.44 | mortalman | I have a sarge NET install cd. My bootlader on already installed OS is screwed. How do I fix the bootloader? |
| 06:47.52 | gpfreitas | The command "consolechars -f /usr/share/consolefonts/lat1u-16.psf.gz" solves the problem temporarily. |
| 06:47.57 | jasoncohen | why would libgcc1 4.0.0-7 be a build dependency of amule? can't it be built with any version of gcc? |
| 06:48.08 | valdyn | mortalman: of which OS? |
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| 06:48.39 | mortalman | valdyn: debian(Sarge) |
| 06:48.53 | streuner | jasoncohen: that was a decision of maintainer |
| 06:49.34 | streuner | jasoncohen: to answer your question, of course |
| 06:49.37 | valdyn | mortalman: boot the sarge CD, hit ctrl-alt-f1, mount your root partition, chroot to it, run grub-install /dev/hda ( or whatever your boot device is ) |
| 06:50.02 | mortalman | valdyn: Tried, /dev/hda1 does not exist in /dev |
| 06:50.28 | bob2 | Tyche: on some machine |
| 06:50.37 | valdyn | mortalman: because the sarge install cd uses devfs |
| 06:50.44 | jasoncohen | i just don't get what's going on with FaceFantastic... he says he ran apt-get build-dep amule but ./configure is complaining that gd-devel isn't installed... and when i run apt-get build-dep amule it asks to install libgd2-xpm libgd2-xpm-dev which i assume are the needed pacakges |
| 06:50.56 | gpfreitas | mortalman: did you try discs instead of dev? |
| 06:51.01 | simonrvn | /dev/ide/host0/fucked/up/naming/scheme |
| 06:51.08 | valdyn | mortalman: ^^^ |
| 06:51.21 | simonrvn | or something. the installer shell does tab completion |
| 06:51.26 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 06:51.31 | empty | simonrvn, good to know I am not the only non-fan of that |
| 06:51.34 | mortalman | valdyn: umm, so how do I do that exactly? |
| 06:51.48 | streuner | jasoncohen: to make headaches perfect, whats with sdn? |
| 06:51.48 | valdyn | mortalman: do what exactly? |
| 06:52.03 | valdyn | mortalman: man mount, man chroot ) |
| 06:52.04 | empty | mortalman see vals instructions |
| 06:52.07 | simonrvn | empty: many aren't fans of the naming, nor the code |
| 06:52.08 | jasoncohen | streuner, sdn? |
| 06:52.14 | streuner | !sdn |
| 06:52.14 | dpkg | from memory, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
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| 06:52.49 | TigerWraith | does anyone know a good site for setting up debian for web hosting |
| 06:52.58 | mortalman | valdyn: Let me refraze. /dev/ide/host0/fucked/up/naming/scheme does not exist. |
| 06:53.04 | twb | How do I do what dpkg-reconfigure does, but non-interactively? |
| 06:53.06 | TigerWraith | most of the stuff i find is for apache1.3 or woody |
| 06:53.14 | empty | mortalman, install a grain of salt ;) |
| 06:53.14 | simonrvn | http://127.0.0.1/doc/apache-doc/manual/ |
| 06:53.28 | valdyn | mortalman: use <tab> to find the name its verbose enough, i dont know devs device names *exactly* |
| 06:53.35 | valdyn | s/devs/devfs/ |
| 06:53.36 | simonrvn | er, apache2-doc |
| 06:53.36 | TigerWraith | i dont have apache installed right now |
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| 06:54.08 | empty | TigerWraith, are you asking how to install it? |
| 06:54.16 | TigerWraith | no i know how to install it |
| 06:54.18 | jasoncohen | streuner, he's right- libgd2-xpm and libgd2-xpm-dev were installed |
| 06:54.21 | mortalman | valdyn: Use <tab> where? |
| 06:54.23 | valdyn | mortalman: if you cant figure it out you can use any livecd that doesnt use devfs |
| 06:54.38 | valdyn | mortalman: cd /dev/ide/host0<tab><tab> |
| 06:54.41 | streuner | twb: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 06:55.23 | valdyn | mortalman: or or 'cat /proc/partitions' |
| 06:55.29 | mortalman | valdyn: Strange, and I don't understand, but I will try and figure it out. |
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| 06:55.40 | twb | streuner: so for example, how would I set the first posh config option (install as /bin/sh? Yes/No) to Yes without prompting? |
| 06:56.13 | nomad_cz | streuner: Hi. Why is clamav 0.86 in sdn and not in volatile ? |
| 06:56.14 | streuner | twb: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:56.32 | valdyn | twb: i think the packages description warns against doing that. |
| 06:56.51 | twb | If I tell you, you'll tell me to go away :-( |
| 06:56.53 | streuner | be back in 2 minutes... |
| 06:57.05 | valdyn | twb: WARNING: Since many of Debian's /bin/sh scripts are not actually policy-compliant, using posh as your /bin/sh may reveal breakage. |
| 06:57.08 | empty | twb, ubuntu? heh |
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| 06:57.30 | twb | empty: no, I'm customizing Knoppix images. |
| 06:57.37 | empty | heh |
| 06:57.42 | empty | so close I was |
| 06:57.44 | twb | Or rather, training a script to customize knoppix images. |
| 06:58.05 | empty | twb, to what end? |
| 06:58.07 | monsoon | anyone happen to know which iso java is located? |
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| 06:58.19 | twb | empty: so I don't have to customize by hand. |
| 06:58.39 | bob2 | monsoon: sun's java is not in Debian |
| 06:58.48 | twb | monsoon: you mean Sun Java? I think Debian doesn't ship it. You need blackdown.org or a free Java. |
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| 06:59.02 | monsoon | ahh hmm |
| 06:59.06 | empty | twb, I mean are you rolling out a lot of identical boxes or something? |
| 06:59.22 | twb | empty: I'm creating a lot of very similar Knoppix images. |
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| 06:59.49 | twb | empty: so I have a script to change the background, the WM, the packages, etc. |
| 06:59.58 | bob2 | you almost certainly don't have permission to distribute knoppix cds with sun's java on it |
| 07:00.06 | bob2 | certainly not outside your workplace |
| 07:00.09 | twb | bob2: different person :-p |
| 07:00.22 | bob2 | oh |
| 07:00.23 | bob2 | duh me |
| 07:00.29 | twb | empty: http://twb.ath.cx/wiki/MakeKnoppix.xhtml |
| 07:00.33 | jasoncohen | streuner, nevermind- the error he was getting was non-fatal. the debian maintainer probalby just decided to compile w/o that option |
| 07:02.11 | twb | valdyn: incidentally, I've been using dash as /bin/sh for years w/o trouble, with the single exception of VirtualPC. |
| 07:02.20 | gpfreitas | Please, how can I confiugre (permanently) the console fonts |
| 07:02.20 | gpfreitas | ? |
| 07:02.31 | gpfreitas | (Debian Sarge) |
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| 07:02.45 | empty | twb nevermind my suggestion then it does not apply |
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| 07:03.50 | nomad_cz | gpfreitas: Do not know the right way but so far I just adjusted /etc/console-tools/config + /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
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| 07:04.26 | empty | does dpkg have a canned ink to the apt tutorial? |
| 07:04.49 | empty | canned link, though canned ik would be cool, especially a tight aerosol stream |
| 07:04.50 | gpfreitas | nomad_cz: I have adjusted /etc/console-tools/config, but nothing happened. Maybe I need to reboot. |
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| 07:05.09 | twb | gpfreitas: try dpkg-reconfigure console-data. |
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| 07:05.25 | nomad_cz | gpfreitas: Maybe ;) if u want I could past u mine - I am using iso02 -czech lang. |
| 07:05.43 | cdc | i want to compile a new kernel but i dont want to use my present config in that case how do i do that |
| 07:05.47 | cdc | i have downloaded the package |
| 07:05.50 | gpfreitas | nomad_cz: the command that solved my problem temporarily was consolechars -f /usr/share/consolefonts/lat1u-16.psf.gz |
| 07:05.53 | cdc | and i ve downloaded the kernel-source |
| 07:05.54 | cdc | too |
| 07:06.03 | twb | cdc: simple, don't make oldconfig. |
| 07:06.05 | cdc | now what do i do i ve executed the command make menuconfig |
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| 07:06.09 | bob2 | cdc: you're not using Debian, please go away |
| 07:06.22 | nomad_cz | gpfreitas: do not use temp solutions ;) |
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| 07:06.41 | nomad_cz | gpfreitas: * I * do not use ... |
| 07:06.44 | gpfreitas | nomad_cz: ok, maybe your files could help me. And yes, temp solutions are not cool... |
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| 07:07.52 | empty | nomad_cz, a basic truism to sane system administration is "fix things once" |
| 07:08.17 | empty | nomad_cz, IME that has been the single best thing I can tell young admins |
| 07:08.38 | nomad_cz | empty: ;) |
| 07:09.19 | myren | wow, this computer works a lot better now that it has a matching dns record |
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| 07:12.17 | nomad_cz | myren: ;)) |
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| 07:12.56 | nomad_cz | Still wondering how volatile works - could anyone tell me that ? ;) |
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| 07:14.47 | jasoncohen | well, i got amule to compile and install on Face_Fantastic's box |
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| 07:16.11 | amphi | jasoncohen: is it happy? |
| 07:16.28 | nomad_cz | Anyone ? No one ? ;) |
| 07:16.37 | jasoncohen | yup, it works |
| 07:16.50 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: what about it? |
| 07:17.00 | kadigibox | hello everyone. I am trying to mount a HD that was ext3 but it is slightly damaged. is there a way to mount it anyway or repair the ext3 and then mount it? |
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| 07:17.13 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: Just asking how is volatile supposed to work. |
| 07:17.40 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: it's just a repository of software that needs to be upgraded more often than Debian releases stable versions |
| 07:17.51 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: there's nothing really special about it |
| 07:18.03 | julius | i wanted to download a software using ssh. but unsuccessful. what checks i need to make on my system |
| 07:18.10 | julius | what conf i should modify ? |
| 07:18.13 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: I konow. But have Clamav in example - it is in sdn but not in volatile . So how long does it take to update something in volatile ? |
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| 07:18.23 | nomad_cz | i know ... |
| 07:18.25 | dondelelcaro | julius: you'll have to be less vague than that. |
| 07:18.40 | kadigibox | please if anyone could help. I need to recover the information that was on the HD |
| 07:18.41 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: depends on the maintainer |
| 07:19.14 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: I see. But finally it will be updated, right ? ;) |
| 07:19.31 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: again, depends on the maintainer. Some packages may not be updated at all. |
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| 07:19.50 | julius | ok. i am trying to download some software using cvs and ssh. i am unable to download the software. hence my friend told me that to use ssh client u need to setup some configuration files which ssh client uses. i am behind a proxy. so i want to try that out. |
| 07:19.53 | julius | can u help me ? |
| 07:19.57 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: Funny ;)) |
| 07:20.43 | julius | what conf files need to be created and what should i edit ? |
| 07:20.53 | dondelelcaro | julius: you just install ssh and cvs; then specify the appropriate cvs_root using -d. There's no configuration files to setup or modify. |
| 07:21.17 | julius | ssh and cvs is installed in my machine. |
| 07:21.36 | dondelelcaro | julius: then just run cvs with the appropriate -d option for the repository that you're trying to download. |
| 07:21.50 | julius | i am behind a proxy. so should i tell ssh what my proxy server is ? |
| 07:21.55 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: And is there something like waiting queue to check out what packages wiil be updated ? |
| 07:21.58 | dondelelcaro | julius: you don't proxy ssh |
| 07:22.01 | kadigibox | someone has to be able to help me with my problem. |
| 07:22.21 | julius | can ssh work behind a proxy or what ports should be open |
| 07:22.24 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: I mean something like backports.org provides ... |
| 07:22.42 | dondelelcaro | julius: you just pass ssh through. You don't proxy it at all. |
| 07:23.09 | julius | it does not require any ports to be opened by admin ? |
| 07:23.16 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: It's just like the rest of the archives, only participation is limited to packages for which it is useful, and there's a policy for what can actually be uploaded. |
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| 07:23.50 | dondelelcaro | julius: you need to be able to connect to the port that the ssh server is running on the remote machine. If that means that you need to modify your firewall, then do so. |
| 07:23.50 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know what "NSCD" does? I have like 10 processes running with that name.. |
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| 07:23.56 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: Ok. Thanks a lot. |
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| 07:24.18 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: that's a caching dns server, iirc. |
| 07:24.20 | nvz | julius: /etc/ssh/sshd_config, its usually port 22 |
| 07:24.24 | dondelelcaro | !info nscd |
| 07:24.26 | cdc | i dont see any difference between Debian and Ubuntu infact Ubuntu is much better |
| 07:24.28 | cdc | infact best |
| 07:24.29 | dpkg | nscd: (GNU C Library: Name Service Cache Daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sid), Packaged size: 90 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 07:24.29 | cdc | the best |
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| 07:24.44 | jetx | cdc: ok. byebye. |
| 07:24.52 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: thanks ;) |
| 07:25.01 | empty | cdc great go give it a handjob in #ubuntu |
| 07:25.27 | nomad_cz | Bye and thanks ... |
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| 07:25.35 | nvz | empty: you believe the hand is quicker than the eye? |
| 07:25.35 | julius | but i am using ssh client and not sshd |
| 07:25.51 | dondelelcaro | julius: yes, so? |
| 07:25.55 | TigerWraith | lol |
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| 07:26.41 | empty | nscd is a nameserver cache but IIRC it only caches gethostbyname C calls |
| 07:26.47 | kadigibox | gah why does everyone just ignore me |
| 07:27.02 | dondelelcaro | empty: yes, which is what every sane program should be doing |
| 07:27.09 | nvz | kadigibox: its a favorite #debian passtime |
| 07:27.21 | liable | kadigibox: maybe no one knows, try again later. |
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| 07:27.32 | empty | dondelelcaro, what percentage of programs would you consider sane? ;) |
| 07:27.33 | dondelelcaro | kadigibox: fsck the drive, then try to mount it as ext2 |
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| 07:27.38 | jetx | jfs doesn't support symlinks? |
| 07:27.50 | dark_ | hi to all |
| 07:27.50 | streuner | heh |
| 07:27.52 | dondelelcaro | empty: a surprising number of them, frankly. However, some common ones are decidedly not. |
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| 07:28.09 | julius | does it want to know what is the proxy server and things like that. i mean address of proxy ? |
| 07:28.09 | dark_ | a little question |
| 07:28.14 | dondelelcaro | firefoxcomes to mine |
| 07:28.16 | nvz | kadigibox: try being more specific, what do you mean by damaged? |
| 07:28.24 | dondelelcaro | julius: no, it doesn't. Again, you don't proxy ssh. |
| 07:28.28 | dbernar1 | !intro |
| 07:28.28 | dpkg | There is a great Debian introduction at http://www.spack.org/index.cgi/AptHelp . PLEASE read it, they've put a lot of good work into it. |
| 07:28.37 | finn_ | hi |
| 07:28.43 | julius | should port 22 should be open ? |
| 07:28.48 | empty | dondelelcaro, well sane or no I love that bastard |
| 07:28.51 | julius | why should it be open ? |
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| 07:29.21 | kadigibox | damaged as it was in a removable HD bay and it lost power connection well running |
| 07:29.27 | dondelelcaro | julius: you should be able to connect to the machine with the cvs repository on whatever port sshd is actualllly running. |
| 07:29.27 | empty | julius it should be open if you have sshd open to accept connections, not necessary to make an outbound connection |
| 07:29.29 | dark_ | i have installed ubuntu linux and when i start it my sound card don't work ...but the equalizer of xmms work..and my dmesg says: |
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| 07:29.39 | dondelelcaro | dark_: ask in #ubuntu |
| 07:29.39 | dark_ | via82xx: Assuming DXS channels with 48k fixed sample rate. |
| 07:29.39 | dark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.39 | dark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.44 | nvz | kadigibox: umm, so in otherwords it just needs fsck'd |
| 07:29.49 | empty | dark, #ubuntu |
| 07:29.51 | technos | dark_: You'll want to ask in #ubuntu |
| 07:29.53 | dark_ | anyone knows how i can solve the problem ? |
| 07:30.04 | empty | dark, #ubuntu knows |
| 07:30.10 | kadigibox | for some reason I have a man file for fsck but dont have fsck available |
| 07:30.16 | cyc | re |
| 07:30.18 | jetx | http://www-130.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/ |
| 07:30.20 | dark_ | i've asked i ubuntu but there insn't response |
| 07:30.28 | Tyche | does anyone know how to restart apache in ubuntu/debian? |
| 07:30.30 | jetx | so lwhat dark_ |
| 07:30.32 | empty | wait for it..... |
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| 07:30.37 | jetx | why do we debian ppl care |
| 07:30.40 | dondelelcaro | Tyche: /etc/init.d/apache start; |
| 07:30.46 | dondelelcaro | Tyche: or s/start/restart/; |
| 07:30.46 | jetx | o nm |
| 07:30.51 | empty | bing there it is |
| 07:30.56 | nvz | Tyche: there us no ubuntu/debian, maybe you meant to ask about ubuntu in #ubuntu |
| 07:30.57 | empty | !based on |
| 07:31.10 | empty | !based on debian |
| 07:31.10 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 07:31.48 | empty | honestly I think this channel and apt are the two best things Debian has going for it |
| 07:32.02 | dbernar1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.02 | bob2 | some people think the opposite |
| 07:32.04 | nvz | heh, yeah right |
| 07:32.04 | empty | though I suppose this channel is a function of Debian culture |
| 07:32.06 | dondelelcaro | NB: There's no need to tell people more than once that things not Debian do not belong here. Just do it once. If someone has already done it, no need to repeat. |
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| 07:32.37 | bob2 | and there's no need to be an ass about it |
| 07:32.40 | cyc | After a failure of *both* scsi disks in raid1 array, I reinstalled debian (temporary) on a single ide disk, and I have two ide disk that were in software raid1 (backup from older installation). Now I would like to know, how do I use those two ide disks with existing raid - on my new sistem? |
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| 07:33.11 | kadigibox | what package needs to be installed to run fsck? |
| 07:33.23 | nvz | kadigibox: you need to be root |
| 07:33.33 | bob2 | kadigibox: depends on the filesystem |
| 07:33.38 | technos | apt, that certainly is a plus.. This channel, however, doesn't facilitate me finding pornography enough to be a plus or a minus. |
| 07:33.38 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, technos |
| 07:33.38 | empty | kadigibox, you need to be root and MAKE SURE the filesystems are not mounted |
| 07:33.46 | kadigibox | I am in root |
| 07:33.53 | empty | not mounted rw at least |
| 07:33.56 | dbernar1 | technos word. |
| 07:34.05 | kadigibox | well I su into root |
| 07:34.06 | nvz | kadigibox: use fsck.ext2 |
| 07:34.08 | dondelelcaro | kadigibox: and /sbin/fsck.ext2 doesn't exist? |
| 07:34.21 | dondelelcaro | kadigibox: if not, you need e2fsprogs installed. |
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| 07:34.49 | dondelelcaro | (pretty difficult not to have it, since it is Priority: Required and Essential: Yes) |
| 07:35.19 | nvz | you are probably not using debian if you do not have fsck.ext2 or you really messed something up |
| 07:35.20 | giupy | i have installed alsa, and finally my sis7012 seems to go well, but when i launch a video with mplayer it doesn't go fluid and i noticed this on terminal: |
| 07:35.24 | giupy | alsa-space: xrun of at least 0.164 msecs. resetting stream2.7% 4 0 74% |
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| 07:35.39 | giupy | a line like that every sec |
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| 07:36.29 | kadigibox | yah it works! |
| 07:36.34 | twb | giupy: possibly something else is using the sound card? E.g. a sound daemon in GNOME or KDE? |
| 07:36.57 | giupy | twb i think not i'm on wmaker, and xmms goes well |
| 07:37.10 | twb | Is xmms using alsa? |
| 07:37.23 | giupy | however twb now yes |
| 07:37.25 | giupy | oops |
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| 07:37.30 | giupy | twb now yes |
| 07:37.56 | twb | giupy: next thing I'd check is the if frequency of the audio stream mplayer's playin isn't supported by your card. |
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| 07:38.32 | twb | Some cheap cards can only do 44100kHz, and not e.g. a lower frequency. |
| 07:38.33 | giupy | twb but with oss mplayer goes well, can be alsa+mplayer my prob? |
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| 07:39.01 | twb | giupy: sounds like it. Go into /etc/mplayer and change the default audio device to oss instead of alsa. |
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| 07:39.39 | nvz | giupy: you mean with oss emulation? |
| 07:39.40 | giupy | twb, but with oss i can't change volume :(( this was my first problem with this soundcard |
| 07:40.03 | nvz | giupy: or actually loading oss modules? |
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| 07:40.19 | nvz | giupy: you arent loading both oss and alsa right? |
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| 07:40.48 | giupy | nvz if i use mplayer -ao oss ? and xmms to use oss plugin ? |
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| 07:41.49 | nvz | giupy: alsa and oss use different device nodes, you are either using oss with alsa, which is bad, or you are using oss pcm emulation, and this would also explain the audio problem, because you may not have loaded the oss mixer emulation |
| 07:42.06 | nvz | giupy: if you have alsa drivers, only alsa output should work |
| 07:42.19 | twb | giupy: dunno. You can *always* change the volume in mplayer with * and /. |
| 07:42.31 | giupy | no |
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| 07:42.47 | asker | hi |
| 07:42.48 | nvz | giupy: what does uname -r say, and why not paste lsmod output in #flood |
| 07:42.53 | asker | when i try to change password of root.. |
| 07:42.53 | asker | passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
| 07:42.55 | Langly1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:42.58 | asker | what can i do |
| 07:43.03 | giupy | nvz i have a 2.6.11 deb precompiled |
| 07:43.04 | duken | whereis i get fox 1.4 |
| 07:43.05 | sparr | i need to flip my display using the nvidia driver. xrandr is failing, what else should i try?. |
| 07:43.06 | duken | ? |
| 07:43.09 | asker | and i can't login again |
| 07:43.10 | Phated | Langly1: add the name of the module to /etc/modules |
| 07:43.12 | duken | .deb |
| 07:43.22 | nvz | giupy: etch or sid then I guess? |
| 07:43.29 | giupy | etch |
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| 07:44.00 | nvz | giupy: if you dont know how to tell what modules you have loaded, you can just paste lsmod output into #flood |
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| 07:44.25 | nvz | giupy: do you know if you are using discover? |
| 07:44.25 | giupy | nvz but i know , modules loaded are of oss and alsa too |
| 07:44.26 | Langly1 | thx Phated |
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| 07:44.39 | Langly1 | googled for modprobe guides and didnt get that |
| 07:44.40 | giupy | nvz that i donìt know |
| 07:44.52 | nvz | giupy: you cannot load both oss and alsa at the same time. thats most likely the problem. |
| 07:45.00 | giupy | nvz i have used alsaconf and it has done all for me |
| 07:45.02 | nvz | giupy: is snd and soundcore both loaded? |
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| 07:45.13 | nvz | giupy: dpkg -l discover |
| 07:45.23 | asker | ¿ |
| 07:45.30 | nvz | giupy: if it shows ii discover, then you are using it |
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| 07:45.38 | giupy | nvz they are loaded |
| 07:45.39 | amorphix | hi guys |
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| 07:46.09 | nvz | giupy: you need to unloade soundcore and all OSS modules and use alsa with oss emulation, or unload all snd* modules, you cannot use both at the same time. |
| 07:46.12 | giupy | nvz discover is not installed |
| 07:46.19 | Langly1 | good, now my wifi card works after a reboot |
| 07:46.20 | Langly1 | thx |
| 07:46.28 | nvz | giupy: if discover isnt installed, then you are responsible for that mess, I Guess :P |
| 07:46.46 | giupy | nvz i try install discover |
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| 07:46.58 | nvz | giupy: I personally wouldnt recommend that |
| 07:47.13 | nvz | giupy: especially since you are having module-related problems |
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| 07:47.21 | giupy | nvz ok than i try unload oss modules :) |
| 07:47.24 | amorphix | im unable to start X desktop on this client since my file ownerships are showing wrong for some reason on NFS filesystem.. ive sync'd my userid and groupid but it hasnt helped..any ideas? |
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| 07:48.31 | amorphix | hi |
| 07:49.00 | Langly1 | whats the command line util for checking for wifi hotspots and such, so you can connect to them |
| 07:49.02 | nvz | giupy: snd_pcm_oss, and snd_mixer_oss are for ALSA's OSS Emulation to allow applications to use the OSS device nodes to talk to ALSA. but you cannnot have snd (ALSA) w/ drivers and soundcore (OSS) w/ drivers loaded at the same time |
| 07:49.12 | giupy | nvz however you know why sound goes well with "some" divx and well with xmms using alsa? |
| 07:49.16 | liable | Langly1: iwlist scan |
| 07:49.33 | Langly1 | thx |
| 07:49.55 | bob2 | on most hardware |
| 07:49.58 | nvz | giupy: no idea, all I know is you got two different drivers loaded in the kernel trying to use the same card, this is likely your problem |
| 07:50.04 | bob2 | if you're using wlan-ng drivers, that doesn't work |
| 07:50.14 | giupy | nvz ok i try to unload |
| 07:50.17 | Virtual | with what command I can see the free disk space I have from text mode ? |
| 07:50.47 | amphi | df [-h] |
| 07:50.59 | amorphix | how can my file system be showing different ownerships depending on which machine I'm on, if all the machines are sharing the same NFS and the user/group accounts are sync'd? |
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| 07:51.15 | nvz | giupy: if you don't use discover, than these were either loaded by you, or you told modutils to load them at boot, with entries to /etc/modules possibly with modconf or an editor |
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| 07:51.18 | Virtual | thank you amphi |
| 07:51.34 | nvz | giupy: you will also need to update /etc/modules so both will not be loaded at boot all the time |
| 07:52.07 | giupy | nvz it says me that snd and soundcore are used |
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| 07:52.27 | nvz | giupy: yep, they are used by the sound driver. |
| 07:52.40 | giupy | nvz i can't unload them |
| 07:52.55 | amorphix | ewww what a terrible name for an ISP, "moneybrains.net" |
| 07:52.56 | nvz | giupy: you have to load the modules that are using them first |
| 07:53.02 | amorphix | i bet thats in china or somewhere |
| 07:53.03 | nvz | giupy: mine says soundcore 3268 4 [via82cxxx_audio sound] |
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| 07:53.21 | giupy | nvz ok i see |
| 07:54.25 | amorphix | im having an issue with different ownership showing for NFS on my laptop, the user/group has been sync'd tho..any ideas? |
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| 07:54.40 | nvz | giupy: then you can try using OSS alone, or ALSA alone (or with oss emulation modules) and see which works properly for you. you just cannot test them both at the same time, and expect good results |
| 07:54.46 | lamp__ | how do i remove everything from kde |
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| 07:55.01 | Langly1 | http://langlyweb.no-ip.com/wifi.jpg my rather odd pcmcia wifi card, good reception and range though :) |
| 07:55.14 | nvz | lamp__: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 07:55.16 | technos | It just occurred to me that I should probably pay more attention to the porn industry as a whole. |
| 07:55.24 | giupy | nvz however i don't understand why mp3 go well, and some divx go well some not ... |
| 07:55.45 | Phated | technos: Indeed; jobs are hard to come by these days. **duck |
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| 07:56.06 | nvz | giupy: its hard to say what you are doing over there, with two sound subsystems loaded, two modules using the same card, some apps talking to one, and some talking to the other |
| 07:56.22 | Agente004 | hello |
| 07:56.22 | nvz | giupy: I dont care to waste brain cycles thinking about it untill you solve the problem |
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| 07:56.29 | technos | Because the instant they figure out a better way of getting tentacle porn into the hands of school children, network engineering will be a dead-end career. |
| 07:56.31 | Agente004 | mme llamooo the pacooo |
| 07:56.32 | dondelelcaro | hrm... benford.fn.net has no connectivity to the west coast |
| 07:56.45 | amorphix | can anyone recommend anything to check locally if my sys is showing different ownership id/groups for files on a NFS file space? |
| 07:56.47 | giupy | nvz but i say to the prog what it should use, xmms us alsa plugin and mplayer idem |
| 07:57.15 | nvz | !confuse giupy |
| 07:57.16 | dpkg | No, those is their snake tomorrow, giupy? shirts of the democracy of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 07:57.23 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: why not just mount the nfs export? |
| 07:57.23 | giupy | nvz wait a moment i rememeber i have installed a pkg ..... |
| 07:57.42 | twb | I should point out that Debian doesn't ship mplayer -- it's distributed by third-parties. |
| 07:57.53 | amorphix | dondelelcaro: you mean just mount the NFS? |
| 07:57.57 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: yes. |
| 07:58.00 | amorphix | dondelelcaro: I've done it |
| 07:58.11 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: and it works, right? |
| 07:58.29 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: you'll note that NFS is uid/gid based, not username based, unless you're doing something wierd. |
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| 07:58.35 | amorphix | dondelelcaro: the mount works, but the ownerships dont match what my other machines are seeing |
| 07:58.43 | nvz | twb: technically debian has no ships, and no shipping department.. it may run on ships, of the sea, of space.. but debian has none to speak of :P |
| 07:58.56 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: they will if you look at the uid/gid, not the username. |
| 07:59.07 | giupy | nvz yesterday, for the first time when i have tried to install alsa, it has installed linux-sound-base too |
| 07:59.14 | dondelelcaro | nvz: well, we do have black helicopters |
| 07:59.20 | giupy | since i have tried ..... |
| 07:59.21 | dondelelcaro | nvz: they could technically qualify |
| 07:59.26 | liable | really |
| 07:59.28 | Virtual | if I want to set the configuration on a client computer to connect to the host in /etc/network/interfaces I set the gateway and the dns server? |
| 07:59.32 | nvz | dondelelcaro: helo air ships |
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| 07:59.41 | nvz | dondelelcaro: wtf does debian have helos for? |
| 07:59.47 | amorphix | im screwed |
| 07:59.59 | dondelelcaro | nvz: debian? No, the CABAL. |
| 08:00.11 | fooz | they're parked at my house |
| 08:00.13 | Hatter | can someone tell me pls, how to start an X program at bootup ? |
| 08:00.18 | nvz | fooz: you the pilot? |
| 08:00.22 | nvz | who buys the gas? |
| 08:00.23 | fooz | no |
| 08:00.27 | nvz | fuel, whatever |
| 08:00.28 | fooz | He is |
| 08:00.32 | karsten | Hatter: ~/.xsession |
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| 08:00.53 | karsten | Hatter: ...other options exist as well. What's your desktop? |
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| 08:00.56 | liable | Hatter: what wm/desktop? |
| 08:01.03 | liable | bleh |
| 08:01.05 | fooz | i just store them and wash em on alternate weekends |
| 08:01.10 | Hatter | karsten: that will start a program on logging in to X, but i'd like the program to started on bootup |
| 08:01.22 | karsten | Hatter: Yes. What WM/desktp? |
| 08:01.33 | Hatter | KDE, xdm |
| 08:01.35 | karsten | Hatter: Ah. Kiosk mode type stuff? |
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| 08:01.47 | karsten | Hatter: syvinit. /etc/init.d/ |
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| 08:01.55 | Hatter | sort of, VMWare with XP inside, |
| 08:02.01 | giupy | ok i have noticed that i have problem with video with sound like this 44100Hz/2ch/s16le, and nothing problems with video like this 48000Hz/2ch/s16le......canit be this the reason ? |
| 08:02.06 | karsten | Hatter: Note that this is a security risk. |
| 08:02.14 | Hatter | to be used for remote desktop inside the xp box |
| 08:02.15 | dondelelcaro | nvz: gas? who needs gas? What do you think all of the flames on the mailing lists are for? |
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| 08:02.19 | karsten | Hatter: *Ewe*! |
| 08:02.20 | Phated | Hahah. |
| 08:02.22 | nvz | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 08:02.29 | defcon8 | liable, ok i got it sorted in the end |
| 08:02.45 | liable | defcon8: what was it? |
| 08:02.45 | twb | giupy: yes, if you're using a crap / cheap sound card. |
| 08:02.58 | xsquared | g'day everyone. im just wondering if its possible to install a codec that will allow me to play wma's and wmv's. and if there is a tool to convert them. What packages will the be located? |
| 08:03.04 | Hatter | karsten: I know, but the program they use runs on windows, this is saving me giving m$ money for server 2003 and terminal services on its own box |
| 08:03.08 | karsten | Hatter: You could run a 'startx vmware <args>' from an /etc/init.d script, specifying a desktop. |
| 08:03.11 | nvz | twb: he's using it with both ALSA and OSS at the same time, and two different sound modules directly accessing it |
| 08:03.17 | defcon8 | liable, dunno i just deleted all the conf files and then confed again in xf86config and it worked |
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| 08:03.26 | nvz | twb: anything else he wants to imagine is wrong is not worth anyone's time |
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| 08:03.37 | Hatter | karsten: the other problem is it needs to start as the user admin |
| 08:03.38 | karsten | Hatter: There's also a server-mode VMWare product, BTW, which allows headless running. |
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| 08:03.57 | karsten | Hatter: sysvinit runs as root, so 'su' as needed. |
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| 08:04.18 | karsten | Hatter: You'll likely have to futz with X's permissions layer to get that running right. |
| 08:04.43 | topa_ | I got the apt repo's for xorg, how do I upgrade from xfree86 to xorg now ? should I just do a apt-get upgrade ? |
| 08:04.44 | fooz | man, i don't think solaris supports ultradma for my IDE controller |
| 08:04.45 | fooz | that sucks |
| 08:04.46 | Hatter | karsten: when I run vmware from the command prompt it shows this : (vmware:8317): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 08:04.57 | karsten | Hatter: Yes. Set a display. |
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| 08:04.58 | twb | nvz: OK, I wasn't watching closely and missed that remark. |
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| 08:05.09 | giupy_ | ok i have noticed that i have problem with video with sound like this 44100Hz/2ch/s16le, and nothing problems with video like this 48000Hz/2ch/s16le......canit be this the reason ? |
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| 08:05.13 | twb | Hatter: try DISPLAY=:0 command instead of command. |
| 08:05.31 | karsten | Hatter: Alternatively, you might be able to run it within a VNC session, which should provide it a virtual display / framebuffer. Overall, I think I prefer that solution. |
| 08:05.34 | nvz | i've noticed you said that already 3 minutes ago |
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| 08:05.41 | nvz | must be an echo in here |
| 08:05.43 | karsten | Hatter: ... and VNC has its own initialization options / files you can use. |
| 08:05.51 | karsten | nvz: must be an echo in here. |
| 08:05.52 | giupy_ | nvz ehm, i was down :) sorry |
| 08:06.04 | giupy_ | :)) |
| 08:06.12 | Hatter | karsten: i was thinking the same thing, I have vnc running from bootup.misc in init.d, but haven't found how to then run a program |
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| 08:06.34 | lamp__ | nvz, thx |
| 08:06.40 | jase_r | does anyone know of a solution to the continual notification: raid5: switching |
| 08:06.41 | jase_r | cache buffer size |
| 08:06.42 | nvz | lamp__: np |
| 08:06.59 | nvz | I don't know what I need more right now.. |
| 08:07.13 | liable | beer |
| 08:07.20 | nvz | Sleep, Ham and cheese sandwitch, box of condoms, bottle of liquer.. its hard to say |
| 08:07.32 | karsten | Hatter: vncserver parses up to three configuration files and then invokes Xvnc with appropriate defaults. |
| 08:07.37 | karsten | Hatter: ...vncserver manpage. |
| 08:07.55 | nvz | I am not really in the mood to decide I know I could use a little of everything, but I dont feel like getting anything |
| 08:07.56 | liable | sandwich, then liquor, then condoms, then sleep :) |
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| 08:08.12 | Hatter | karsten: thx I will check it out |
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| 08:08.30 | karsten | Hatter: ...I'd set up an appropriate ~/.vncrc for the user the VNC session runs under. |
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| 08:09.13 | jase_r | Anybody know about solving my raid5 problem? |
| 08:09.37 | Hatter | karsten: I think security should be OK, tunneling through ssh ? |
| 08:09.38 | nvz | jase_r: does anyone even know about your raid5 problem? |
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| 08:09.42 | liable | hahahaha |
| 08:09.45 | karsten | jase_r: ...should do the trick. |
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| 08:09.59 | karsten | Hatter: Yeah, you can tunnel your connection and block remote access. |
| 08:10.02 | Hatter | nothing like the ol' double barrel |
| 08:10.12 | Hatter | reminds me of doom2.... |
| 08:10.12 | xsquared | does anyone know where i can get the codecs for wma and wmv so i can play them and if there is any tools to convert them? |
| 08:10.27 | karsten | !tell xsquared about marillat |
| 08:10.38 | nvz | xsquared: d/l w32codecs from marillat |
| 08:10.50 | xsquared | okay, thanks |
| 08:10.50 | karsten | jase_r: What's your RAID config / HW? |
| 08:11.08 | karsten | jase_r: ...and in general, I'd try Googling the error message(s). |
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| 08:11.23 | jase_r | karsten: I'm using software raid, and I keep getting messages about "Switching cache size" |
| 08:11.45 | jase_r | karsten: Oh, I've googled... I sure have googled |
| 08:11.45 | karsten | jase_r: Not personally familiar. GIYF. |
| 08:11.56 | karsten | jase_r: Google drunk. |
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| 08:13.10 | jase_r | I've just installed debian with a software raid, and it won't shut up about switching it stupid cache size |
| 08:13.18 | jase_r | I'm about to cry |
| 08:13.24 | karsten | jase_r: I'm finding a grand total of one Google hit. |
| 08:13.26 | jase_r | :P |
| 08:13.31 | liable | !comfort jase_r |
| 08:13.32 | dpkg | There, there, jase_r. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 08:13.49 | karsten | jase_r: http://www.austinlug.net/archives/alg/2003-02/msg00723.html FWIW. |
| 08:13.52 | gary | Guys i'm trying to get a game to work but when i execute it i get the following error: |
| 08:13.55 | gary | symbol _dl_global_scope, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 08:14.05 | karsten | gary: Games don't work, htey play. |
| 08:14.08 | gary | I read on a page i found with google that it was due to the glibc version being too new |
| 08:14.30 | karsten | gary: Where'd you get the game? 'ldd $( which <executable> )' |
| 08:14.37 | gary | karsten: i've used linux for two years, never played a game with it, so i thought i'd experiment :D |
| 08:14.46 | gary | karsten: my friend gave it to me |
| 08:15.16 | jase_r | karsten: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=123440 <-- this is the same sort of thing I'm getting except on debian |
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| 08:15.21 | karsten | gary: I'd suggest asking your friend or providing more specific info. What game? |
| 08:15.35 | gary | simcity 3000 |
| 08:15.39 | jase_r | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=123440 *** |
| 08:15.51 | jase_r | (there was a space in the above url) |
| 08:15.57 | sparr | it seems i need to upgrade from XFree to X.org to get RandR to work with the nvidia driver, where might i find information on that for debian? |
| 08:16.15 | bob2 | just wait until x.org is available for debian |
| 08:16.16 | karsten | gary: OK. You probably need an older version of glibc. There's an 'oldlibs' section w/in Debian if you can figure out the version it wants. 'ldd' on an executable will show the linked libs. |
| 08:16.21 | liable | sparr: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 08:16.26 | karsten | sparr: gravity. |
| 08:16.30 | karsten | !seen gravity |
| 08:16.31 | dpkg | gravity <~david@pool-129-44-187-56.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 6h 14m 6s ago, saying: 'Oh yeah, he's here too :-)'. |
| 08:16.32 | gary | karsten: that command returned: libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7fcf000); libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/libm.so.6; libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6; /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 08:16.50 | sparr | bob2: not an option, i need to be able to flip my display |
| 08:16.51 | karsten | gary: libc.so.6 is your baby. |
| 08:17.00 | bob2 | ok! |
| 08:17.08 | liable | karsten: eh? he made debs or something? |
| 08:17.12 | gary | karsten: SO i just find the glibc version that contains that file? |
| 08:17.15 | karsten | sparr: 'gravity' is the guy packaging x.org. |
| 08:17.17 | karsten | liable: Yes. |
| 08:17.36 | fooz | my display flips when I kick it |
| 08:17.41 | karsten | gary: Yeah, sec. Simcity may have fscked that one up. |
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| 08:18.10 | gary | thanks |
| 08:19.00 | karsten | WTF is Nackox |
| 08:19.39 | defcon8 | has anyone read cryptonomicon? |
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| 08:19.43 | dondelelcaro | defcon8: yes. |
| 08:19.59 | defcon8 | dondelelcaro, i got it off ebay and it came today. did you enjoy it? |
| 08:20.05 | dondelelcaro | defcon8: it's decent |
| 08:20.23 | defcon8 | well i like crypto so i thought id like it. and i love all of dan browns books so ok |
| 08:20.26 | karsten | jase_r: Looks as if it's an LVM issue possibly, more than SW RAID. |
| 08:20.36 | karsten | defcon8: What's that? |
| 08:20.52 | defcon8 | its a novel |
| 08:21.24 | Virtual | defcon8 i think i have it in ebook version |
| 08:21.37 | defcon8 | cant stand ebooks. |
| 08:21.37 | sparr | guess im compiling X.org from scratch |
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| 08:22.04 | gary | karsten: Is there a way to figure out what glibc version contains libc.so.6 ? |
| 08:22.12 | defcon8 | they dont have xorg on testing :( |
| 08:22.13 | jase_r | karsten: Do you know much about LVM? I can tell you that I'm running LVM2... if that means anything of importance |
| 08:22.43 | nvz | sparr: I'd sooner turn my shit upside down before I would compile X anything |
| 08:22.45 | karsten | gary: Sec. |
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| 08:23.15 | karsten | jase_r: I've used it a grand total of once, partially understood it, forgot most of what I learned in the process. |
| 08:23.27 | fooz | i know lvm |
| 08:23.31 | fooz | building X is fun dude |
| 08:23.52 | karsten | sparr: gravity's got most of x.org built. He's got a blog, linked at PlanetDebian, check there... |
| 08:23.54 | sparr | nvz: that would be rotated, i need inverted |
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| 08:24.23 | sparr | and no, i am not going to use a mirror :-p |
| 08:24.28 | jase_r | fooz: So have you encountered the messages about raid5 and changing some cache size... usually from 1024 --> 4096 |
| 08:24.33 | nvz | sparr: you need to be difficult it sounds like to me :P but its your time, waste it rebuilding the free world if you like |
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| 08:24.44 | fooz | nah unfortunately I'm poor, can't afford RAID5ing anything |
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| 08:24.56 | PainKiller | * Unable to find the QT installation. Please make sure that the |
| 08:24.56 | PainKiller | * QT development package is correctly installed and the QTDIR |
| 08:24.56 | PainKiller | * environment variable is set to the correct location. |
| 08:24.59 | PainKiller | ???????????????? |
| 08:25.03 | cafuego | OMFG! |
| 08:25.06 | cafuego | !zoof |
| 08:25.07 | dpkg | not zoof. fooz. |
| 08:25.08 | nvz | they should just make that the command to compile X, make freeworld |
| 08:25.08 | fooz | ? |
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| 08:25.20 | fooz | why not 'make love' |
| 08:25.23 | minamata | salut |
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| 08:25.30 | dondelelcaro | PainKiller: 1) Please don't paste. 2) Install libqt-dev |
| 08:25.34 | cafuego | 'make slow' |
| 08:25.38 | karsten | sparr: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/ |
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| 08:25.43 | karsten | sparr: http://people.debian.org/~dnusinow/xorg |
| 08:25.48 | fooz | 'make pasta' |
| 08:25.49 | gary | lol |
| 08:25.53 | karsten | sparr: ...he's got packages, you can add 'em if you want 'em. |
| 08:25.56 | PainKiller | dondelelcaro: 1, sorry :) 2. thank you |
| 08:26.09 | fooz | man.. my computer's all old-ass and slow now |
| 08:26.12 | karsten | "make X".... |
| 08:26.15 | fooz | X is probably the biggest thing I could build |
| 08:26.31 | twb | fooz: enlightement 17 |
| 08:26.34 | karsten | fooz: it's not rounded and pink... |
| 08:26.36 | cafuego | fooz: You could try Openoffice or Mozilla |
| 08:26.39 | karsten | fooz: ...as you probably think... |
| 08:26.49 | karsten | fooz: ... it's grey, has long ears, and eats grass. |
| 08:26.50 | fooz | moz isn't so tough |
| 08:27.29 | karsten | cafuego: Has it started yet? |
| 08:27.32 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: M1? |
| 08:27.33 | nvz | haha |
| 08:27.37 | fooz | i know it used to take me like an hour to rebuild all of NetBSD 1.6 on here |
| 08:27.39 | twb | fooz: E17 sources are 150Mb. |
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| 08:27.41 | fooz | same time it took to build linux 2.4 |
| 08:27.52 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: WAY back when; the initial source release. |
| 08:27.57 | fooz | with gcc 3 anyway |
| 08:27.57 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: ah, right. |
| 08:28.15 | cafuego | twb: E17 sources are mainly 300dpi PNG's no? |
| 08:28.29 | twb | cafuego: not IIRC. |
| 08:28.31 | fooz | rich kids with their 386s with more than 2MB of RAM |
| 08:28.31 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: the pr0n, must not forget the pr0n |
| 08:28.39 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: That apparently ran out of ram after 30 or so minutes (I"d left it to run overnight) |
| 08:29.02 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh. now it takes a few weeks |
| 08:29.16 | Virtual | karsten that must be fun :) |
| 08:29.27 | fooz | i haven't built moz since around moz 1.0 actually |
| 08:29.37 | karsten | Virtual: Actually, it's what sold me on Debian. |
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| 08:29.40 | topa_ | anyone used X.org from experimental ? |
| 08:29.43 | nvz | I am going to be sick as hell later |
| 08:30.02 | karsten | Virtual: ...I had to remove emacs to have enough space for sources. I found it was so damned easy to add/remove packages it blew my mind. |
| 08:30.02 | fooz | i've been using windows for games, and working so many hours |
| 08:30.06 | fooz | i don't get to build anything |
| 08:30.10 | fooz | gonna try for opensolaris though |
| 08:30.22 | cafuego | fooz: try 'coreutils'or something; maybe compile 'ls'. |
| 08:30.29 | Virtual | karsten what are you going to do with that ? |
| 08:30.36 | fooz | coreutils is a pita to package |
| 08:30.51 | fooz | if you don't like the default way it puts things |
| 08:30.51 | karsten | Virtual: This was 1999. |
| 08:30.57 | Virtual | oh |
| 08:31.19 | karsten | Virtual: Mind, the 386 was itself a museum piece at the time, but it was an available system to try stuff on. |
| 08:31.30 | cafuego | When the 3.2GB harddisks tended to get kinda full. |
| 08:31.51 | cafuego | (If you were lucky enough to have a disk that big) |
| 08:31.53 | nvz | ugh, I had to stop, I sensed I had eaten too much rice crispy treats |
| 08:32.05 | nvz | I am going to suffer later |
| 08:32.12 | fooz | i was quite a redhat wizard at one point |
| 08:32.24 | cafuego | fooz: druid, you mean? |
| 08:32.28 | nvz | heh |
| 08:32.46 | fooz | no. funny clothes, tinkling bell. |
| 08:32.54 | dondelelcaro | a FOOL |
| 08:32.55 | Virtual | karsten I have a K6 266 mhz 64 ram around here so I installed win 98 and gave it to my system to play small games on it :) she`s only 6, actually I wanted to make a server out of it but I think there is something wrong with the power supply, everytime I tried to install Debian or FreeBSD it freezes at coying packages |
| 08:32.59 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Hahah. |
| 08:33.03 | dondelelcaro | in motley at that |
| 08:33.27 | fooz | first box i did anything non-DOS with was a 486 |
| 08:33.48 | Phated | nvz: Blasphemer! There's no such thing as too many rice crispy treats. |
| 08:33.49 | fooz | when I had my 386, I didn't know anything but DOS and Windows existed.. i was pretty isolated in my computer knowledge then |
| 08:34.14 | fooz | perils of being self-taught |
| 08:34.17 | nvz | Phated: its 4:30 am, I ate probably 2/3 a tray of rice crispy treats |
| 08:34.55 | karsten | Virtual: The local menagerie includes a P4 1.4 GHz 1 GB, a PPro 180 256 MB, and a P-200 96 MB |
| 08:35.02 | karsten | Virtual: ...the latter are servers, for the most part. |
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| 08:35.10 | technos | nvz: You still have a third of the tray left? Damn, better get to work. |
| 08:35.16 | nvz | bleh |
| 08:35.24 | karsten | nvz: In Korea, only old people eat rice crispy treats. |
| 08:35.35 | karsten | nvz: ...and in Russia, the rice crispy treats eat you. |
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| 08:36.37 | nvz | hmm.. I am not sure if this is a good or a bad thing. |
| 08:37.01 | karsten | nvz: Well, she *does* have a mean bite. |
| 08:37.01 | technos | karsten: "In Soviet Russia, rice krispy treat eats you!" is more Yakov-ish. Can't forget the bad grammar or the Cold War references to Communism. |
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| 08:37.30 | karsten | technos: Yes. Is very sad I no remember Russian dropping articles. |
| 08:38.01 | fooz | karsten, wery. |
| 08:38.31 | technos | Say "Nuclear vessels" |
| 08:38.38 | fooz | No! |
| 08:38.45 | technos | Say it! |
| 08:38.48 | karsten | Heh. |
| 08:38.52 | karsten | It! |
| 08:39.01 | nvz | I am going to go to sleep and dream about not being tired |
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| 08:39.22 | nvz | see how long it takes before it actually happens |
| 08:40.11 | nvz | I would have went to sleep hours ago, but I went to the bar instead |
| 08:40.39 | twb | I tried to go to the foo, but it was closed. |
| 08:41.04 | reamtS | How to I list the package names only without the other info. ? |
| 08:41.05 | nvz | thats too bad. the bar was open until about 2am |
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| 08:41.44 | dondelelcaro | mmm... bar... |
| 08:42.07 | Vect0r | Does debian support rpm installations, or only .deb ? |
| 08:42.24 | dondelelcaro | Vect0r: you don't want to use rpms. |
| 08:42.30 | twb | Vect0r: define "support". And the answer is no. |
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| 08:42.58 | Vect0r | so .deb is to debian as .rpm is to fedora ? |
| 08:43.09 | dondelelcaro | Vect0r: effectively. |
| 08:43.12 | ColonelKernel | Vect0r, pretty much |
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| 08:43.20 | Vect0r | k thanks |
| 08:43.33 | nvz | mmm ... bartender... chicks with alcohol.. too bad I dont have any real money to speak of |
| 08:43.48 | ColonelKernel | Vect0r, i DO think theres rpm for deb but I wouldnt mess w it - apt-get is like yum |
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| 08:43.59 | twb | nvz: you gonna buy the booze, or the chicks? |
| 08:44.07 | twb | :-p |
| 08:44.10 | ColonelKernel | and they have synaptic fur gui |
| 08:44.18 | nvz | twb: strangely enough the chic wants money to get booze for you |
| 08:44.39 | twb | Synaptic sucks. Aptitude is the king of package GUIs! |
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| 08:44.59 | ottoaim__ | heh |
| 08:45.02 | bLAStY_ | capital R |
| 08:45.03 | vorlon | ... except for that trivial "G" part |
| 08:45.27 | twb | vorlon: Oh, so you need pixel-based widgets for a GUI, now? :-p |
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| 08:45.51 | vorlon | twb: ... do you understand what "graphical" means? |
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| 08:46.23 | nvz | !dict graphical |
| 08:46.26 | dpkg | Dictionary 'graphical' (4 of 13): 3. Written or engraved; formed of letters or lines. ;; Radiography \Ra`di*og"ra*phy\, n. Art or process of making radiographs. -- Ra`di*o*graph"ic, *graph"ic*al, a. -- Ra`di*o*graph"ic*al*ly, adv. ;; Graphic granite. See under Granite. ;; The finger of God hath left an inscription upon all his works, not graphical, or composed of letters. --Sir T. Browne.. |
| 08:46.45 | fooz | heh |
| 08:47.03 | fooz | damn kids with their fancy raster video output hardware |
| 08:47.14 | twb | Interfaces can be categorized as command-line (CLI), textual (TUI) or graphical (GUI). The only difference between a TUI and a GUI is æsthetic -- textual widgets are composed of characters; graphical widgets are composed of pixels or vectors[3]. |
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| 08:48.23 | twb | In fact, the term "TUI" was only coined by vendors of pixel-based UIs that wanted to disparage their fellow, char-based UIs. |
| 08:48.37 | nevyn | twb: I would say that is at least a massive overgeneralisation and at most downright wrong |
| 08:49.01 | twb | nevyn: pray enlighten me. |
| 08:49.11 | jase_r | is upgrading the kernel a hard task? |
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| 08:49.14 | vorlon | yeah, um. People who deal in GUIs could care less about TUIs. |
| 08:49.40 | gary | jase_r: if you use apt-get then it's not |
| 08:49.55 | gary | jase_r: Compiling from source is though, for a beginner. I've tried once and failed |
| 08:50.22 | jase_r | gary: is there a package for the 2.6 version of the kernel that apt-get will get? |
| 08:50.23 | twb | Does Debian/hurd use ELF? |
| 08:50.28 | nevyn | twb: gui and tui's share very little at the development end not least of which is that TUI's have a "nominal" screen size to work with and size of elements is known at compile time where this is not true of GUI's |
| 08:50.29 | gary | jase_r: yes |
| 08:50.51 | jase_r | gary: what's it called? |
| 08:50.52 | twb | nevyn: I was writing from a user perspective. |
| 08:51.12 | gary | jase_r: there are several. Do : apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 08:51.29 | twb | jase_r: what version of Debian are you using? Sarge has 2.6 kernels. |
| 08:51.31 | fooz | twb, yes |
| 08:51.33 | ColonelKernel | tui? |
| 08:51.41 | vorlon | text user interface |
| 08:51.57 | nevyn | twb: from a user perspective while they are SIMILAR they're not the same either. while things like curses provide a general interface that's sortof OKish they don't provide anything like the variety of widget's availible in even the most minimal GUI toolkit |
| 08:52.21 | twb | nevyn: bah. |
| 08:52.21 | fooz | y'all are ignorant, really. |
| 08:52.24 | vorlon | a term which, despite twb's claims to the contrary, actually enjoys the greatest currency among command-liners because of the need to distinguish between true command-line interfaces and "Full-screen" text interfaces. |
| 08:52.32 | Agabus | which kernel version is in the current unstable? |
| 08:52.48 | fooz | curses is very basic. there are full GUI toolkits with widgets that operate on character cell terminals. |
| 08:53.01 | twb | fooz: like Emacs? :-) |
| 08:53.07 | fooz | no |
| 08:53.09 | dondelelcaro | Agabus: 2.6.11-1 something and 2.4.27 |
| 08:53.15 | dondelelcaro | !tell Agabus -about pdo |
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| 08:53.35 | PainKiller | should I compile my network driver as a module or into the kernel? |
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| 08:53.46 | Agabus | dondelelcaro - cool. thanks |
| 08:53.51 | fooz | every old pascal programmer has written a widget library at some point :P |
| 08:53.58 | dondelelcaro | PainKiller: if you have to ask that question, you probably should be using a precompiled kernel... |
| 08:54.01 | twb | PainKiller: do you need the network to boot? If not, it should probably be a module. |
| 08:54.36 | PainKiller | i have used precompiled kernels before, first time i'm doing my own configuration/compiling |
| 08:54.41 | PainKiller | thanks dondelelcaro and twb |
| 08:55.09 | jase_r | twb: Well, I installed the unstable version |
| 08:55.17 | dondelelcaro | PainKiller: for a custom kernel, you generally build in everything that you'll be using all the time, and modularize things that you won't. |
| 08:55.17 | jase_r | twb: Which one is that? |
| 08:55.34 | twb | jase_r: Sid. |
| 08:56.06 | bluefox83 | how do you use ssl in irssi? |
| 08:56.09 | jase_r | twb: I installed it today, and my apt.souces file has sarge on the deb lines |
| 08:56.19 | bluefox83 | i'm trying to connect to a server that uses ssl authentification |
| 08:56.20 | twb | How can I get a list of all installed packages of with priority != essential? |
| 08:56.24 | ColonelKernel | g_standard.php?id=241&offered=sale |
| 08:56.27 | ColonelKernel | oops |
| 08:56.37 | ColonelKernel | http://www.realestateyucatan.com/eng_standard.php?id=241&offered=sale |
| 08:56.46 | dondelelcaro | twb: using grep-status from grep-dctrl |
| 08:57.11 | jase_r | gary: so, installing with apt-get, will it just install by itself? |
| 08:57.27 | fooz | ColonelKernel, that's hella cheap |
| 08:57.51 | vorlon | jase_r: that's the main idea behind packages, yes. :) |
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| 08:58.06 | ColonelKernel | thats hella my next home |
| 08:58.09 | ColonelKernel | im outtie!! |
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| 08:58.10 | fooz | ColonelKernel, hella yeah |
| 08:58.14 | fooz | ColonelKernel, save one for me |
| 08:58.28 | fooz | it's a friggin mansion too |
| 08:58.28 | ColonelKernel | you get nothing |
| 08:58.29 | solarwinds | Hi, Need help... |
| 08:58.34 | jase_r | vorlon: Just making sure... as you can probably tell, I'm kinda new at all this |
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| 08:58.58 | solarwinds | I am trying to compile 2.6.11.11 on T42 laptop |
| 08:59.01 | vorlon | ColonelKernel: <ahem> you might want to check Mexico's laws wrt foreigners owning real estate, before you run off and invest |
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| 08:59.53 | jungle | IBM T series laptops are cool |
| 08:59.54 | ColonelKernel | vorlon, I know about the whole having ot put it in a trust thing or whatever |
| 09:00.00 | fooz | vorlon, you use the other $2,800,000 you would've spent to buy a similar place in the US, to bribe the appropriate officials |
| 09:00.07 | ColonelKernel | so ill end up marrying a mexican woman |
| 09:00.12 | ColonelKernel | no biggie there |
| 09:00.18 | solarwinds | yes, But I am facing a problem with the shutdown :-( |
| 09:00.22 | gary | bloody contact lenses! |
| 09:00.28 | fooz | gary, must be hard to see |
| 09:00.30 | ColonelKernel | hey im in the wrong channel!!! |
| 09:00.47 | ColonelKernel | fooz, thats EXACTLY right |
| 09:00.50 | gary | hard to get them in fooz :D |
| 09:00.51 | usn | good morning |
| 09:00.58 | fooz | gary, yes, what with all the blood |
| 09:01.03 | ColonelKernel | not to mention meridia has a lot of the same stuff we do here |
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| 09:01.10 | ColonelKernel | walmart, home depot, cosco, etc |
| 09:01.23 | technos | gary: Mabye you should stop putting them in with a fork.. You'll bleed less. |
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| 09:01.38 | gary | technos: oh.. i'll try it :{ |
| 09:01.55 | gary | I can get them in, but just one of them feels really awkward |
| 09:02.00 | fooz | bleh.. solaris makes things harder than it should be |
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| 09:02.21 | technos | Get it inside out by accident? I do that continually. |
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| 09:02.30 | fooz | i installed it like 2 days ago now, meaning to play with the source code, but i haven't got the hang of basic administrative functions yet |
| 09:03.13 | jase_r | I know I asked everyone a lil while ago, but is anyone familiar with LVM and the messages that some people (ie me) get with regards to raid 5: "raid5 switching cache buffer size ... |
| 09:03.20 | gary | I've heard good things about Solaris |
| 09:03.20 | PolarWolf | fooz: Think of it as an awkward BSD with an even more messed up init system, and you'll be fine :P |
| 09:03.28 | fooz | PolarWolf, it's nothing like BSD whatsoever |
| 09:03.56 | PolarWolf | fooz: Heh |
| 09:04.13 | PolarWolf | fooz: Either way, there's supposed to be some administration application |
| 09:04.19 | fooz | speaking as a former user |
| 09:04.26 | fooz | PolarWolf, there's lots of em, they just are all obtuse |
| 09:04.36 | PolarWolf | fooz: From what I recall (been a while), it's in the CDE menu, but not in JDS' |
| 09:05.00 | fooz | ah.. i don't want to learn the gui way though, I intend to try using this as a server |
| 09:05.30 | PolarWolf | fooz: Yeah, but to get you started... |
| 09:05.32 | fooz | why not just try it on intel? supports a lot of hardware now |
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| 09:05.50 | PolarWolf | fooz: I don't have the hardware to spare. Besides, I always wanted a sparc. |
| 09:05.50 | fooz | works on an nforce 2 athlon box.. if slowly |
| 09:06.12 | PolarWolf | vorlon: Fuckall :P |
| 09:06.27 | PolarWolf | fooz: /j #opensolaris, that's where the sun folk hang out |
| 09:06.46 | fooz | i don't want to bug em, sun doesn't let them sleep much. and hardly feeds em |
| 09:07.19 | vorlon | Sun feeds me not at all, so I'd much rather you be bugging them than talking about it here. :) |
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| 09:07.52 | fooz | good thing i don't care what you'd rather, huh :) |
| 09:07.59 | fooz | the channel's dead right now |
| 09:08.04 | PolarWolf | vorlon: Dude, it's not like there's much other interesting conversation going on in #debian right now :-) |
| 09:08.43 | PolarWolf | fooz: Wanna help me out with debian/opensolaris? |
| 09:08.52 | fooz | PolarWolf, soon as I figure out how it boots :P |
| 09:09.01 | PolarWolf | fooz: Haha |
| 09:09.02 | vorlon | PolarWolf: and silence bothers you? :P |
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| 09:09.18 | fooz | i can't believe sun picked grub of all things to boot with |
| 09:09.24 | PolarWolf | vorlon: Usually, no. But IRC and "silence" is, well, awkward |
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| 09:09.43 | fooz | and past that point i can't figure anything out. it uses some kind of initrd-like thing it seems like? |
| 09:09.53 | PolarWolf | fooz: fukt if I know |
| 09:10.07 | vorlon | and there'll never be a Debian/OpenSolaris unless Sun changes their license. |
| 09:10.15 | PolarWolf | fooz: I installed solaris 10 once, ran it for 2 days, and then I broke X into non-starting |
| 09:10.54 | PolarWolf | vorlon: Noone can keep me from bolting debian upon an opensolaris kernel. Just can't call it Debian/* |
| 09:11.06 | fooz | vorlon, so main will be in non-free :P |
| 09:11.18 | vorlon | PolarWolf: right... and you can't call it Debian/OpenSolaris, either. :) |
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| 09:11.45 | PolarWolf | vorlon: Working name, as to indicate what it's supposed to be :P |
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| 09:12.18 | PolarWolf | I was thinking calling it "The Light", but that might be a bit overdone |
| 09:13.13 | PolarWolf | vorlon: Besides, debian-legal has postponed the CDDL-DFSG discussion until it becomes relevant, without much result |
| 09:13.30 | PolarWolf | IOW, the whole thing is in limbo |
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| 09:13.55 | vorlon | PolarWolf: well, the real issue is that CDDL isn't GPL-compatible, so you can't actually distribute a binary dist based on Solaris kernel + GNU. |
| 09:14.34 | PolarWolf | vorlon: No, GPL is CDDL incompatible, not the other way around. Same as the GPL is incompatible with the BSD license, and for some reason that's allright for the legal vultures |
| 09:14.44 | bob2 | hahaha |
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| 09:15.13 | PolarWolf | vorlon: You're preferencing GPL as the standard license to compare to :P |
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| 09:15.34 | PolarWolf | Which is...wrong as it's the most limiting of most licenses |
| 09:15.35 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: which BSD license are we even talking about here? |
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| 09:15.38 | fooz | the standard license to compare to is of course the Windows XP license |
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| 09:15.49 | vorlon | No, I'm stating that a CDDL kernel does not meet the terms required by the GPL, and therefore is GPL-incompatible |
| 09:15.50 | PolarWolf | dondelelcaro: The standard 3 clause one |
| 09:15.55 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: which 3 clauses? |
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| 09:16.22 | PolarWolf | dondelelcaro: Are we going to argue on technicalities now? Just pick one. |
| 09:16.27 | fooz | the /usr/src/sys/init/main.c license from 4.2BSD!!! |
| 09:17.04 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: they are 4 clauses to the original BSD license. Which 3 clauses are you refering to? |
| 09:17.05 | vorlon | PolarWolf: he's asking because you show all the signs of being wrong, and he's being polite by asking for clarification before jumping to that conclusion and telling you as much |
| 09:17.27 | PolarWolf | vorlon: That's correct. Though I never really saw anywhere that being GPL compatible is a requirement to be DFSG compliant |
| 09:17.56 | PolarWolf | dondelelcaro: Fine, 4 clauses then. I'm not a BSD expert, nor a lawer and I don't intend to become one. |
| 09:18.00 | Mortalman | I need to transfer a very large file. Is there an easy way to compress the file AS it is being transfered?? |
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| 09:18.10 | bob2 | Mortalman: use rsync -z |
| 09:18.11 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: the 4 clause is not GPL compatible. This is well known. |
| 09:18.20 | fooz | BSD w/ advertising, right? |
| 09:18.46 | PolarWolf | dondelelcaro: Why is GPL the standard to compare to while it's clearly the most limiting of licenses? |
| 09:18.56 | technos | Mortalman: Compressing it with gzip/bzip/zip at the source is just as effective. :) |
| 09:19.04 | jase_r | everyone: Yay, I solved my raid problem! :D |
| 09:19.10 | PolarWolf | And why is the GPL all of a sudden the standard to conform to for DFSG compliance? |
| 09:19.10 | fooz | jase_r, how? |
| 09:19.18 | jungle | PolarWolf, or most free.. compared to how you look at it |
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| 09:19.28 | bob2 | PolarWolf: I'm not sure anyone has ever claimed that. OpenSSL is in Debian main, and GPL-incompatible. |
| 09:19.31 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: standard for what? we're just talking about compatibility with the GPL, not DFSG compliance. |
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| 09:19.35 | jase_r | fooz: It was all in the updated kernel I think... |
| 09:19.36 | Virtual | If I want to access a share on a Linux box I have to have samba installed? |
| 09:19.41 | bob2 | PolarWolf: it's also a massive pain in the arse, which is why people are trying to replace it. |
| 09:19.44 | vorlon | jungle: no need to feed him when he's trolling, please. |
| 09:19.54 | PolarWolf | jungle: Hmm, I don't consider the GPL as "most free", really. |
| 09:19.56 | jungle | vorlon, true, sorry |
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| 09:20.14 | bob2 | Virtual: if you want to share things via smb, yes, the linux machine needs samba. |
| 09:20.27 | fooz | the advertising clause is the 3rd clause of the original BSD license. when people say 3 clause BSD license, they mean all of them but that one, usually |
| 09:20.28 | PolarWolf | dondelelcaro: No, I am trying to find out why something like Debian/Opensolaris isn't in the possibilities. |
| 09:20.41 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: because solaris is trademarked |
| 09:20.42 | vorlon | PolarWolf: because you can't comply with the license terms of the GPL. |
| 09:21.09 | vorlon | that has nothing to do with the DFSG, that has to do with not violating the terms of the license. |
| 09:21.09 | PolarWolf | dondelelcaro: The argument has been brought up that the CDDL license isn't GPL compatible. I see that as relating GPL to being the reference license for DFSG. |
| 09:21.38 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: no, that's a metric that you have to meet to link with GPLed software. |
| 09:21.58 | PolarWolf | dondelelcaro: That would mean that everything licensed under BSD or MPL or whatever else license which isn't GPL compatible should be removed from debian too, due to non DFSG conformance |
| 09:22.01 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: it has nothing to do with the DFSG and everything to do with being legally able to distribute the resultant work. |
| 09:22.06 | Mortalman | technos: As effective as what? |
| 09:22.11 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: uh, no. You're conflating the two again. |
| 09:22.18 | fooz | ... |
| 09:22.25 | fooz | what's the argument about anyway? |
| 09:22.37 | dondelelcaro | fooz: I don't know. I'm trying to figure that out. |
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| 09:22.53 | Virtual | Can I install Qt using apt-get ? |
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| 09:22.55 | fooz | what use of GNU software on a solaris system is infringing? |
| 09:22.58 | PolarWolf | dondelelcaro: Uh, isn't that basically what DFSG conformance is? So say that then. CDDL isn't DFSG compliant (which btw hasn't been authoritively stated yet, as far as I could find) and leave the GPL out of it |
| 09:23.12 | ribnitz | hello, is there a tool in debian, that would allow on-the-fly copying of (data, not video) dvds? |
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| 09:23.22 | vorlon | PolarWolf: I've explained this to you at least twice now. Please read. |
| 09:23.24 | bob2 | Virtual: sure, which bit of it do you want? |
| 09:23.25 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: no, the DFSG determines whether Debian will distribute the work, not whether we legally can distribute the work. |
| 09:23.28 | agabus | ribnitz - k3b? |
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| 09:23.37 | ribnitz | agabus: doesnt do on the fly. |
| 09:23.40 | karsten | Is there a general podcast player and/or plugin for xmms? Apparently the concept is XML support. |
| 09:23.44 | technos | Mortalman: transmission time compression. A given file will compress as well or better with one of the normal compression tools than it will at transfer time. |
| 09:23.45 | vorlon | Virtual: yes; but I'm guessing what you want isn't just "Qt", is it? |
| 09:23.57 | agabus | ribnitz - ow sorry i thought it did. |
| 09:24.08 | technos | Mortalman: And you don't have to do anything funny to get it to the other machine |
| 09:24.12 | ribnitz | agabus: of cds, yes. but not of dvds. |
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| 09:24.27 | Coffee | shingouz: hi again. i know i pissed u off but i still need your help. Can you say me what to do after isapnp card enabling? |
| 09:24.35 | Virtual | well I don`t need it right now because I just installed Debian on my laptop but I know that they are some things that require Qt Library |
| 09:24.49 | PolarWolf | vorlon, dondelelcaro: Odd, I read the CDDL, and I see nothing which prevents me from distributing anything, modified or otherwise, released under the CDDL in any way as long as I include the sources. |
| 09:25.05 | vorlon | Virtual: and normally, Qt is installed for you automatically when you install whatever package needs it. |
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| 09:25.40 | PolarWolf | What I *can't* redistribute legally are the closed source parts which are part of the Solaris operating system, but needed to build and run opensolaris |
| 09:25.42 | bob2 | Virtual: if you're compiling things that need it, you need libqt3-mt-dev (as well as build-essential) |
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| 09:25.51 | vorlon | PolarWolf: but the CDDL is not GPL compatible; therefore you can't ship a binary OS composed of a CDDL kernel plus GPLed userspace bits and comply with the GPL. |
| 09:25.53 | Virtual | ok thank you bob2 |
| 09:26.15 | Mortalman | technos: I'm not sure I understand. Wouldn't compressing the file before I transfer it take more time then compressing As I'm transfering it? |
| 09:26.19 | fooz | vorlon, why not? or, for what reason? |
| 09:26.22 | vorlon | PolarWolf: or at least, it's not altogether *clear* that you can do so; there's a certain amount of legal risk associated with doing so |
| 09:26.25 | insomniaccowboy | hi all guys : my lilo did'nt see the win partition at /dev/hda1 how can i add it |
| 09:26.25 | fooz | i'm reading through the GPL but i don't see it yet |
| 09:26.26 | PolarWolf | vorlon: Why not? |
| 09:27.09 | vorlon | because the GPL says that when you distribute binaries of the GPLed work, the source for all the bits needed to run it have to come with it, with all the permissions granted by the GPL itself |
| 09:27.19 | ribnitz | agabus: and xcdroast doesnt like dvds much at all. always says the disk is closed. |
| 09:27.25 | simonsays | since i've upgraded to sarge grub was installed as default. is there a conf file for it like lilo? or whats the prefered way of installing a new kernel with it? |
| 09:27.26 | fooz | does the GPL not exclude system libraries though? |
| 09:27.30 | fooz | such as the C library? |
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| 09:27.37 | vorlon | fooz: *only* when you're not an OS vendor |
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| 09:27.53 | vorlon | rather, only when you're not bundling the GPL binaries with the OS |
| 09:27.54 | ribnitz | fooz: wasnt that was the lgpl was created for? |
| 09:28.06 | fooz | i'm still reading the GPL :P give me a moment |
| 09:28.09 | technos | Mortalman: CPU time, no. Total time, certainly. If the file is likely to be only compressed slightly, you're probably wasting time trying to compress it at all. The twenty minutes it takes to bzip it or the time needed to set up rsync are bigger than the time taken to transfer the extra 3%.. |
| 09:28.27 | thomas_adam | simonsays: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:28.39 | valdyn | simonsays: /boot/grub/menu.lst. Look there for examples. an equivalent to running lilo when a new kernel is installed does not exist b/c grub can read that file directly off the filesystem. |
| 09:28.47 | ribnitz | why is it that hard to do an on-the-fly copy of a (non-video) dvd? |
| 09:28.58 | simonsays | valdyn, thomas_adam: thanks |
| 09:29.03 | valdyn | simonrvn: installing a new kernel debian package will update that config file. |
| 09:29.31 | valdyn | simonsays: ^^^ |
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| 09:29.34 | simonsays | valdyn: i compile my own kernels... thanks again |
| 09:29.39 | fooz | However, as a special exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is normally distributed (in either source or binary form) with the major components (compiler, kernel, and so on) of the operating system on which the executable runs, unless that component itself accompanies the executable. |
| 09:29.41 | Mic | is there a function in grub similar to lilo -R? |
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| 09:29.44 | brosio | anyone known a ps2 emulator for linux ? |
| 09:29.47 | fooz | ok.. so, you need to define "Accompanies the executable" |
| 09:29.59 | fooz | GPL is a crap license really.. so vague |
| 09:30.01 | PolarWolf | vorlon: I don't see how I can't distribute as long as I don't include GPL code into a CDDL program. The GPL code runs on a CDDL kernel, it's not interweaved in any way. |
| 09:30.02 | valdyn | simonrvn: you could/should still use make-kpkg for that, and menu.list would automatically have an entry added. |
| 09:30.03 | fooz | i hope they fix that next revision |
| 09:30.13 | valdyn | grr |
| 09:30.19 | PolarWolf | vorlon: What you're saying is that because cygwin is GPL, Windows should be GPLed too. |
| 09:30.21 | valdyn | simonsays: you could/should still use make-kpkg for that, and menu.list would automatically have an entry added. |
| 09:30.38 | ribnitz | fooz: thats someo f the strength. you can put your cookingf rcipe book under the gpl. |
| 09:30.40 | vorlon | PolarWolf: I'm saying that Microsoft isn't allowed to bundle cygwin with its OS. |
| 09:30.44 | PolarWolf | vorlon: IIRC there's also a specific clause for that in the GPL |
| 09:31.15 | simonsays | valdyn: nods... so just for clarification, any modifications to the menu.lst grub will read automagically? |
| 09:31.35 | valdyn | simonsays: yep |
| 09:31.36 | vorlon | fooz: if the term "Accompanies" is not defined in the license text, you're called upon to apply common sense. :) |
| 09:31.51 | simonsays | valdyn: great! thanks again. |
| 09:31.57 | PolarWolf | common sense isn't a legal defense |
| 09:32.23 | fooz | common sense isn't legally defined either in the license, i'm afraid |
| 09:32.30 | PolarWolf | if it isn't written in the license text, it doesn't apply. common sense and impliead meaning or not. |
| 09:32.49 | ribnitz | PolarWolf: hence they have to print: dont put cats/dogs in the microvave to dry, and get sued once onenoe tries with a bunny.. |
| 09:32.52 | PolarWolf | vorlon: Hey, you were the one starting with "legal risks" :-) |
| 09:32.55 | fooz | Sun and Joerg Schilling are distributing Solaris with GPL'd software on the disc |
| 09:32.56 | valdyn | PolarWolf: now you're talking US law. |
| 09:33.07 | thomas_adam | ShilliX... hmm. |
| 09:33.08 | bob2 | joerg schilling is a crackpot, tho |
| 09:33.15 | bob2 | I wouldn't base my behaviour on his |
| 09:33.18 | raf256 | I have commends, like sysclt call to set some variables, I want them to be run after boot, how to do that? |
| 09:33.23 | vorlon | Yes, and the "common sense" reading here is the one that says you can't distribute a CDDL+GPL OS |
| 09:33.26 | fooz | yeah, damn that guy, writing non-free software? |
| 09:33.34 | PolarWolf | valdyn: So are most people when discussing "legal license issues" as it's almost only a major issue in the US |
| 09:33.39 | fooz | vorlon, i don't read it that way (but don't ask me to explain, i'm too tired) |
| 09:33.59 | vorlon | ... as opposed to the alternate reading that you seem to be offering, which is "oh, 'accompanies' isn't defined, so I'll assume what I'm doing is ok" |
| 09:34.03 | PolarWolf | valdyn: But yes, it is an assumption on my part, sorry :-) |
| 09:34.09 | valdyn | PolarWolf: the netfilter devs are actually earning $ in europe via their gpled code ) |
| 09:34.17 | simonsays | valdyn: one more thing... whats this initrd.img i'm seeing in menu.lst? |
| 09:34.20 | PolarWolf | valdyn: Nothing wrong with that |
| 09:34.22 | fooz | vorlon, but.. this is a reason why GNU should hurry up and make a better mousetrap, cause this one's got portions that are imaginary |
| 09:34.23 | valdyn | PolarWolf: i mean, by sueing abusers |
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| 09:34.36 | PolarWolf | valdyn: That's less nice, but still possible, I'm afraid |
| 09:34.36 | vorlon | fooz: not particularly. |
| 09:34.44 | raf256 | I have commends, like sysclt call to set some variables, I want them to be run after boot, how to do that? |
| 09:34.47 | fooz | vorlon, well, whatever |
| 09:34.48 | ribnitz | valdyn: by suing "modem manufacturers" for not including the source of netfilter. |
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| 09:35.02 | vorlon | fooz: you're welcome to read Eben Moglen's essays. |
| 09:35.02 | valdyn | ribnitz: yea, exactly.. |
| 09:35.05 | bob2 | raf256: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 09:35.21 | raf256 | bob2: well.. ok, but in general, where in Debian is "autostart"? |
| 09:35.28 | fooz | vorlon, you're welcome to test the GPL in court once we make Foozian GNU/Solaris |
| 09:35.32 | ribnitz | valdyn: oh, its not includ,e its "make available": |
| 09:35.41 | valdyn | ribnitz: aye |
| 09:35.58 | fooz | vorlon, if you've written anything under the GPL that is included in the distro, anyway :) |
| 09:36.00 | bob2 | raf256: maybe you mean /etc/init.d/, but I spsuect you're going to do something gross |
| 09:36.07 | vorlon | fooz: oh, you're going to spend the money to defend it in court? Thanks, I look forward to it. :) |
| 09:36.10 | paulswm | Heh bob2 |
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| 09:36.25 | raf256 | bob2: so if I write my own autostart.sh - where to put it and how exacly add it? |
| 09:36.30 | raf256 | (on what levels) |
| 09:36.30 | ribnitz | valdyn: hence, you can download netfilter sources from www.modemmanufacturer.com/netfiltersources is enough. |
| 09:36.33 | bob2 | raf256: why would you do that? |
| 09:36.34 | valdyn | raf256: debian being a unix there is _no_ standard "autostart" mechanism at all, there's alot of them ) |
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| 09:36.48 | raf256 | bob2: bacause I fell like it |
| 09:36.51 | valdyn | ribnitz: yep |
| 09:36.51 | paulswm | raf256: the Debian Reference Manual describes the booting procedure |
| 09:36.53 | vorlon | for some reason, everyone else thinks the GPL is strong enough that they decide to settle out of court instead; I'm glad to hear you have enough money that we'll finally get a court test. :) |
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| 09:37.13 | simonsays | is the initrd.img needed for grub? |
| 09:37.23 | honschu | How to get the process-id/name which uses module usbcore which should be rmmodded |
| 09:37.23 | ribnitz | valdyn: debian is no unix, there are is no common codebase. |
| 09:37.35 | dondelelcaro | simonsays: the question is whether or not you need the initrd |
| 09:37.35 | raf256 | paulswm: cool, and what is the solution to my problem then? |
| 09:37.46 | dondelelcaro | simonsays: and that, frankly, is one only you can answer |
| 09:37.57 | fooz | anyway, Sun wrote the CDDL, and they're distributing tons of GPL stuff |
| 09:38.01 | fooz | they must not see anything wrong with it |
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| 09:38.05 | valdyn | simonsays: not for grub, but your kernel needs it ( to be delivered by the bootmanager ), to find your root disk partition, it it ( the kernel ) does not contain a driver for it. |
| 09:38.11 | paulswm | simonsays: The initrd.img is needed for boot, it contains modules which may be required to mount your root filesystem |
| 09:38.25 | ribnitz | fooz: they wnt until someone makes them notice. |
| 09:38.27 | paulswm | raf256: read it. |
| 09:38.31 | honschu | How to get the process-id/name which uses module usbcore which should be rmmodded |
| 09:38.32 | liable | simonsays: why are you compiling anyway? |
| 09:38.42 | fooz | dondelelcaro, it's nifty |
| 09:38.43 | fooz | sorta |
| 09:38.44 | PolarWolf | fooz: The sting would be in the "program or other 'work'" where "work" is rather loosely defined (read: not at all) |
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| 09:38.54 | valdyn | simonsays: since you are compiling your own kernel you are compiling your root disk fs / controller drivers statically in and you don't need an initrd |
| 09:39.05 | liable | maybe |
| 09:39.10 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: betzter process/thread model? |
| 09:39.15 | dondelelcaro | I mean, being dragged kicking and screaming by proprietary software|hardware vendrs I can see, but otherwise? |
| 09:39.26 | simonsays | liable: more efficient, security, etc. |
| 09:39.45 | simonsays | valdyn: yah, cool. |
| 09:39.49 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: no thanks. I already get enough of it on the instruments I use that run it |
| 09:40.28 | minamata | hi, do u know in which debian asrage CD, I can find this ndiswrapper package ? |
| 09:40.37 | minamata | hi, do u know in which debian sarge CD, I can find this ndiswrapper package ? |
| 09:40.37 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: Yes, me too, my employer makes me run apps and DBs on Sun Solaris boxes |
| 09:40.52 | fooz | "distribution" in the GPL can mean "offering access to copy from a designated place" (read: FTP server).. and "accompanying", common sense wise, means "the same distribution" |
| 09:41.17 | ribnitz | We got a 4 cpu- headless sun box here. guess what it runs. |
| 09:41.30 | dondelelcaro | Debian |
| 09:41.36 | fooz | so.. is it against the GPL to serve both a Solaris distribution (sans any GPL components), and distribute a GPL part in another file? |
| 09:41.49 | fooz | on the same server? |
| 09:41.49 | valdyn | minamata: its on the 2nd *dvd*, so past disk 7 i guess |
| 09:42.00 | ribnitz | fooz: I wouldnt say so. |
| 09:42.29 | dondelelcaro | fooz: if the GPL work + solaris work forms a derivative work; and you're unable to satify the GPL, yes. |
| 09:42.39 | minamata | valdyn, why do u mean ? 8 ou sup? |
| 09:42.50 | liable | minamata: no internet? |
| 09:42.55 | valdyn | minamata: yea 8 or later |
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| 09:43.00 | valdyn | minamata: yea 8 or higher |
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| 09:43.18 | minamata | valdyn, not and that paricular laptop |
| 09:43.29 | rixth | How do you add your own searches to the drop down box in Firefox? |
| 09:44.04 | valdyn | minamata: you can get the jigdo files, which are quite small and grep for ndiswrapper in those i think |
| 09:44.33 | Double_J | Does anyone know if orinoco cards work out of the box with debian sarge? So that I can run the net install on my wireless network? |
| 09:44.35 | fooz | bleh |
| 09:44.39 | minamata | tanx valdyn |
| 09:44.51 | dondelelcaro | Double_J: they should, yes. |
| 09:44.59 | valdyn | minamata: hmm, no, grep doesnt work, but somehow you can see that on the jigdo files.. |
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| 09:45.13 | Double_J | Thanks, then I'm buying one of those, I'm so sick of ndiswrapper |
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| 09:46.56 | PolarWolf | I wonder how RH solves their GPL compatibility problem with their non-free components distributed as part of a derivative "work" with GPL components. |
| 09:47.25 | PolarWolf | Hmm, maybe I should write the FSF and ask instead of relying on a lot of IANALs :P |
| 09:47.28 | valdyn | minamata: grab jigdo file, unzip it, grep for ndiswrapper in the unziped jigdo |
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| 09:47.38 | fooz | they probably consider one package to be one "distribution" of a "work" |
| 09:47.41 | valdyn | s/unzip/gunzip/ |
| 09:47.43 | fooz | as i bet sun does |
| 09:48.00 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: they aren't derivatives of GPLed components for which RH doesn't own the copyright for or have a special license. |
| 09:48.15 | pepsi_ | to run X locally I need some form of "base" package.. whats it called? |
| 09:48.24 | Phated | pepsi_: x-window-system |
| 09:48.24 | PolarWolf | neither is a CDDL licensed kernel |
| 09:48.35 | valdyn | pepsi_: x-window-system-core |
| 09:49.13 | fooz | PolarWolf, only for Sun, though |
| 09:49.14 | honschu | How to get the process-id/name which uses module usbcore which should be rmmodded |
| 09:49.29 | PolarWolf | fooz: a derivative of a GPL component, I mean :P |
| 09:49.37 | fooz | oh, right |
| 09:50.02 | PolarWolf | beh, techies shouldn't have to be bothered by this kind of crap |
| 09:50.05 | fooz | well, it's the GPL trying to make itself derivative of something |
| 09:50.10 | fooz | not the CDDL |
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| 09:50.19 | valdyn | honschu: usbcore is probably not used by process but only by modules, lsmod would tell you which modules use it |
| 09:50.25 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: if it's a derivative, and they don't own the copyright on it, they have to comply with the GPL. It's fairly simple. |
| 09:50.36 | liable | !rmmod |
| 09:50.40 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: you can't suddenly become a derivative work of a GPLed work by accident. |
| 09:50.44 | fooz | yeah, should write the FSF |
| 09:50.50 | PolarWolf | dondelelcaro: So much is clear, yes |
| 09:50.54 | valdyn | honschu: oh yea and using rmmod is bad bad |
| 09:50.56 | honschu | valdyn: I have looked with lsmod, there is just a 1 nothing more, no other modules who use usbcore |
| 09:50.57 | liable | hmm what happened to that factoid |
| 09:51.08 | honschu | valdyn: rmmod is bad? What to use then? |
| 09:51.11 | fooz | but even if it were clarified by them.. it doesn't fix the broken license.. any legal system could interpret it a different way |
| 09:51.19 | valdyn | honschu: modprobe -r |
| 09:51.19 | dondelelcaro | fooz: which broken license? |
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| 09:51.27 | valdyn | honschu: umount /proc/usb ? im not sure |
| 09:51.30 | honschu | valdyn: It's just a wrapper? Isn't it? |
| 09:51.31 | fooz | dondelelcaro, "accompanies the executable" isn't very well defined :) |
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| 09:51.41 | honschu | valdyn: ah, maybe that's it. |
| 09:51.58 | dondelelcaro | fooz: it either accompanies, or it doesn't... fairly straight forward I would think |
| 09:52.12 | knite | some of my packages in aptitude show a 'A' character in the status line. what does it mean? I couldn't find a legend that explains it |
| 09:52.13 | fooz | dondelelcaro, i don't think the spirit of the GPL was to limit OS vendors from distributing GPL software |
| 09:52.16 | valdyn | honschu: no its by far not "just a wrapper" |
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| 09:52.24 | PolarWolf | dondelelcaro: A lot of people sofar are very fast to deny the possibility of distributing a CDDL licensed kernel with a userspace environment which contains GPL components. Sofar I don't see the problem, unless the whole bundle is considered a "derivative work" by the FSF |
| 09:52.30 | honschu | valdyn: That's it. But who to find it out with a program what uses usbcore? |
| 09:53.07 | PolarWolf | dondelelcaro: That puts a lot of people in trouble, among which the company who distributes RHEL which has non GPL compatible components in it, too |
| 09:53.28 | vorlon | PolarWolf: so go ahead, distribute your CDDL-based distro, and leave us in peace |
| 09:53.35 | PolarWolf | dondelelcaro: Therefore I doubt whether the aforementioned doubts regarding CDDL+GPL+distribution are true |
| 09:54.04 | vorlon | paulswm: nope |
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| 09:54.15 | [Granger] | heh |
| 09:54.19 | [Granger] | when did this turn into #law |
| 09:54.24 | valdyn | honschu: no idea, usbcore cannot be used by programs anyway. only by the kernel |
| 09:54.24 | paulswm | Hooray! |
| 09:54.39 | PolarWolf | I see everyone prefers to stick his head back in the sand. |
| 09:54.44 | PolarWolf | Okay, point taken. |
| 09:54.44 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: *shrug* write the distribution, then ask on -legal about it. |
| 09:55.27 | PolarWolf | dondelelcaro: To be honest, I have little faith in anything -legal when everyone is so blinded by "GPL" as everyone here seems to be. |
| 09:55.30 | fooz | paulswm, apparently not boring enough to use your /ignore huh? |
| 09:55.40 | valdyn | honschu: mount just interacts with the kernel... |
| 09:55.47 | fooz | i'm going to bed |
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| 09:56.11 | dondelelcaro | PolarWolf: well, then you're screwed. |
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| 09:58.28 | liable | I guess everyone is just mulling over that whole discussion, wondering about the ramifications of the gpl :P |
| 09:58.39 | HolyGoat | Hi, I'm having a bit of a strange problem. I restarted my computer, and suddenly it can't see my network cards anymore. It says "ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device.\nSIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device" |
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| 09:59.00 | HolyGoat | Could this have to do with a recent apt-get upgrade? |
| 09:59.03 | paulswm | fooz: I hate to use ignore, it's the nuclear last resort for me. |
| 09:59.03 | vorlon | liable: nope, just bored. |
| 09:59.11 | valdyn | HolyGoat: unlikely |
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| 09:59.38 | vorlon | HolyGoat: probably only if your upgrade included a new kernel... |
| 10:00.05 | valdyn | HolyGoat: does your network interface show on 'ifconfig -a' ? |
| 10:00.17 | ixi | Hi. I want to have all routing configuration in single place. What is the best one to do that? |
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| 10:00.23 | HolyGoat | valdyn: It seems like it didn't load the module for my 3c590 network card, but it did load the driver for my via onboard network interface. |
| 10:00.26 | ixi | Is there 'debian-sarge' way for that? |
| 10:00.46 | HolyGoat | valdyn: no, only localhost |
| 10:00.55 | valdyn | HolyGoat: try loading that driver via 'modprobe' |
| 10:00.59 | kreg | ya |
| 10:01.16 | HolyGoat | valdyn: That also said "no such device" when I did modprobe 3c59x |
| 10:01.17 | dondelelcaro | HolyGoat: or just run modconf; to load the module, and have it added to /etc/modules |
| 10:01.22 | HolyGoat | ok |
| 10:01.23 | valdyn | HolyGoat: drivername? type of nic? pci? isa? |
| 10:01.25 | kreg | ya |
| 10:01.43 | rixth | How do you add your own searches to the drop down box in Firefox? |
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| 10:02.00 | valdyn | HolyGoat: lspci | grep -i ethernet |
| 10:02.04 | HolyGoat | dondelelcaro: modconf doesn't appear to be installed.. |
| 10:02.14 | dondelelcaro | !installit |
| 10:02.15 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 10:02.50 | kreg | ya |
| 10:02.50 | HolyGoat | valdyn: it only shows my VIA onboard network card |
| 10:02.59 | dondelelcaro | (or you can use modprobe and /usr/bin/sensible-editor) |
| 10:02.59 | garth | wtf is aptitude so weird in how it chooses to install something one instance, then remove it the next? |
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| 10:03.11 | dondelelcaro | garth: uh, context? |
| 10:03.24 | HolyGoat | dpkg: Yes but since I don't have network access with that box, I can't install it ;) |
| 10:03.33 | valdyn | HolyGoat: then its a) not properly plugged in b) not working b/c theres a pci resource conflict->change pci slot or c) a broken hardware |
| 10:03.54 | HolyGoat | valdyn: Ok, thanks. I'm going to try that. |
| 10:04.16 | liable | HolyGoat: what fesion od debian btw. |
| 10:04.16 | garth | dondelelcaro: well it keeps adding, then removing html2text for example. and all i am trying to do is install the ipw2200 driver that has nothing to do with it... |
| 10:04.20 | valdyn | HolyGoat: oh, or not known by your pciid list, try lspci | grep -i unknown |
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| 10:04.23 | liable | *version |
| 10:04.39 | HolyGoat | liable: sarge |
| 10:04.41 | paulswm | God, google's translation is funny sometimes. Translation (from German) of a brief Q/A about module ide_detect not being found: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D209238&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522ide_detect%2522%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG |
| 10:05.04 | theb0y | send messhello peepz, I have a siemens S55 and I am trying to figure out how to get sms messages from it, and how to send sms messages via my mobile phone using my computer.. anyone familiar with that? let me know please, i'm using linux 2.6.7 with PPP support |
| 10:05.07 | dondelelcaro | tinyurl is calling paulswm's name |
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| 10:05.16 | dondelelcaro | garth: so just run aptitude; and figure out why it's trying to isntall and remove the thing endlessly |
| 10:05.21 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: Sorry |
| 10:05.23 | HolyGoat | valdyn: Nothing shows up for unknown. |
| 10:05.40 | liable | HolyGoat: did you get a new kernel? |
| 10:05.50 | valdyn | HolyGoat: alright, then that hardware isn't found for one of the 3 above listed reasons. |
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| 10:05.54 | liable | HolyGoat: do you have another you could try? |
| 10:05.56 | cahoot | HolyGoat: reseat the card? |
| 10:06.28 | AlverGone | Hello... I'm having issues with my sound card. Its modules are properly loaded, the mixers show everything is fine, and even the apps don't whine - but I don't get any sound. |
| 10:06.28 | HolyGoat | liable: Maybe, there's no log as far as I know, and I just ran apt-get upgrade from work quickly. I should have logged it. |
| 10:06.37 | HolyGoat | liable: Another what? |
| 10:06.48 | liable | paulswm: shit, yeah thats a ripper. |
| 10:06.54 | valdyn | AlverGone: alsa? |
| 10:06.55 | HolyGoat | cahoot: Yes that's one of the things I will try. |
| 10:07.14 | AlverGone | valdyn: indeed. It's a SB audigy, so snd-emu10k1 is loaded. |
| 10:07.28 | liable | HolyGoat: another kernel version. |
| 10:07.33 | valdyn | AlverGone: cat /proc/asound/pcm |
| 10:07.45 | Virtual | how do I untar a .tar.bz2 package? |
| 10:07.46 | valdyn | AlverGone: do not paste that here, try #flood or /msg dpkg paste |
| 10:07.51 | honschu | urb->transfer_buffer is a buffer in the kernel that I would like to print out. But I didn't know if it's bin/character..., I tried printk(KERN_INFO "usb_submit: %X \n", urb->transfer_buffer); |
| 10:08.10 | AlverGone | valdyn: I'm in #flood |
| 10:08.49 | liable | !tell Virtual about tar |
| 10:09.10 | liable | Virtual: you could just read the man page. |
| 10:09.17 | Virtual | thank you liable |
| 10:09.37 | Kieron | Hello. |
| 10:09.37 | Kieron | Does anyone here know what's going on with /debian-non-US ? dists/stable, etc., seem to have vanished... |
| 10:09.43 | AlverGone | hmmmm... emu10k1, not snd-emu10k1 |
| 10:09.55 | AlverGone | Kieron: /topic |
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| 10:10.05 | valdyn | AlverGone: that's fine. |
| 10:10.19 | AlverGone | valdyn: aha. Any idea why I'm not getting any sound then? |
| 10:10.34 | HolyGoat | liable: I only appear to have 2.4.27-2 |
| 10:10.34 | Kieron | AlverGone: Thanks. |
| 10:10.48 | AlverGone | I'm using a custom compiled kernel with a config I used on various systems and distros with the same hardware - it always worked alright |
| 10:10.57 | cahoot | AlverGone: you have unmuted - not only set the mixerlevels? |
| 10:11.11 | HolyGoat | I'm going to take out and reseat the hardware, thanks guys |
| 10:11.18 | valdyn | AlverGone: try aplay -D hw:0,0 some.wav and aplay -D hw:0,1 some.wav and aplay -D hw:0,2 some.wav |
| 10:11.40 | valdyn | AlverGone: up to 3 |
| 10:11.49 | jetx | do you use alsa or oss AlverGone |
| 10:12.28 | AlverGone | valdyn: 0,0 works though without sound, 1 and 2 error, 3 works without sound and a warning/error |
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| 10:12.49 | jetx | is this a sarge installer? |
| 10:12.55 | AlverGone | cahoot: hrm, alsamixer doesn't show any muted/unmuted functions... I'll check aumix |
| 10:12.59 | valdyn | AlverGone: ok, still looks like a volume settings error to me, or wrongly plugged headphones / speakers |
| 10:13.03 | jetx | AlverGone: did you use the sarge installer or a woody |
| 10:13.23 | AlverGone | valdyn: the speakers haven't been unplugged in months, that's not the issue... volume settings might be, checking on that now |
| 10:13.45 | valdyn | AlverGone: did sound use to work on alsa? |
| 10:14.01 | AlverGone | valdyn: yes, until I installed debian ;) |
| 10:14.15 | valdyn | AlverGone: alright, which kernel release did you use before? |
| 10:14.18 | jetx | 05.13.40 05.09.43 AlverGone hmmmm... emu10k1, not snd-emu10k1 <--oss |
| 10:14.40 | valdyn | jetx: no, that is because /proc/asound/pcm does not show the snd- prefix |
| 10:14.51 | liable | AlverGone: what kernel version? I had to mute jack line sense and headphone jack sense, otherwise I wouldnt get sound. |
| 10:15.11 | liable | AlverGone: on 2.6.11 |
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| 10:15.25 | valdyn | AlverGone: 'uname -r' also, please |
| 10:17.15 | AlverGone | valdyn: custom compiled 2.6.12.1 |
| 10:17.50 | jetx | !alsa-bork |
| 10:17.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 10:17.52 | AlverGone | Nothing seems muted... hrm |
| 10:18.04 | valdyn | AlverGone: sblive value is broken in 2.6.12, yours could be too, i cant tell you. |
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| 10:18.23 | liable | AlverGone: does it work with a debian image? |
| 10:18.23 | jetx | sblive works with oss 2.6.12 |
| 10:18.40 | valdyn | AlverGone: sblive value is broken in 2.6.12 and alsa, yours could be too, i cant tell you. |
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| 10:18.55 | cahoot | AlverGone: tried disabling digital-output-jack? |
| 10:19.10 | AlverGone | Well, I've used the same kernel and config on other systems and it worked, so I assume it won't be that |
| 10:19.23 | AlverGone | cahoot: no - let's see |
| 10:19.26 | valdyn | AlverGone: yea still looks like a volume thing |
| 10:19.48 | AlverGone | Ah crap |
| 10:19.54 | jetx | ah crap |
| 10:19.54 | AlverGone | cahoot: thanks, that did it |
| 10:20.00 | AlverGone | apparently it defaults to digital out |
| 10:20.02 | rixth | How do you reinstall grub? I can't access Debian to run grub-install as grub is gone from the MBR. |
| 10:20.19 | AlverGone | weird that alsamixer didn't show any of that... mmm. Yay for kde's kmix. |
| 10:20.37 | jetx | boot the installer cd up to the partitioning portion and shell out && chroot |
| 10:20.45 | valdyn | rixth: boot a livecd or the debian install cd, mount your root fs, chroot to it, run grub-install /dev/whatever |
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| 10:21.37 | rixth | I don't understand 'chroot' to it |
| 10:21.57 | valdyn | rixth: man chroot |
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| 10:22.03 | bluefox83 | how do you get perl to write the contents of a variable to the start of a file? (sorry no one is answering in #perl) |
| 10:22.29 | AlverGone | Thanks for the help, people :) this is one distro change I'm not regretting the least bit. |
| 10:22.51 | jethro | bluefox83: perldoc -f open; perldoc -f print |
| 10:23.39 | rixth | valdyn: I still don't understand what I have to do |
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| 10:24.01 | valdyn | rixth: chroot /mnt/yourroot |
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| 10:24.31 | valdyn | rixth: which part is hard to understand? |
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| 10:24.46 | Mortalman | chroot /my/other/root/fs /bin/bash |
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| 10:27.36 | rixth | So, boot a live CD, run "mount -t ext3 /dev/hda* /mnt/root" "chroot /mnt/root" "grub-install /dev/hda"? |
| 10:28.12 | buerste | how to get alsa + intel8x0 working? i installed all alsa packages, but alsaconf does not find any card |
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| 10:28.15 | jethro | rixth: chroot /mnt/root /bin/bash |
| 10:28.17 | jethro | rixth: man chroot |
| 10:29.10 | rixth | Thanks. |
| 10:29.54 | valdyn | buerste: reboot after installing the alsa packages to get rid of the already loaded oss driver ( or remove that one manually ) |
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| 10:30.46 | buerste | valdyn, i did many times :( |
| 10:31.10 | chrysopa | Hi |
| 10:31.16 | valdyn | buerste: lspci | grep -i adio |
| 10:31.18 | valdyn | buerste: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 10:31.39 | chrysopa | I have a list of dirs $ ls -1 |
| 10:31.51 | buerste | valdyn, nothing |
| 10:32.00 | chrysopa | I need to select one of these directory randomly |
| 10:32.05 | valdyn | buerste: lspci | grep -i unknown |
| 10:32.09 | chrysopa | How I do it? |
| 10:32.56 | buerste | valdyn, 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0059 (rev a2) |
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| 10:33.39 | Belboz | hey all, I'm trying to execute envy24controller, how do I go about that? |
| 10:33.41 | valdyn | buerste: 'update-pciids' |
| 10:33.44 | chrysopa | anybody? |
| 10:33.56 | valdyn | buerste: after that run 'lspci | grep -i audio' again |
| 10:34.15 | rikitan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:35.13 | buerste | valdyn, ;-) 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2) |
| 10:35.39 | Belboz | oops, my bad, it's envy24control |
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| 10:36.10 | valdyn | buerste: lsmod | grep intel8 |
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| 10:36.25 | buerste | valdyn, not loaded |
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| 10:36.55 | valdyn | buerste: try 'modprobe snd-intel8x0' in a console, if you run that in an X terminal, use dmesg to see output |
| 10:37.08 | buerste | valdyn, not found |
| 10:37.12 | sDES | Can anybody help me with a bit of ipsec+iptables problem? |
| 10:37.17 | liable | anyone had a go at lfs, and found it worthwile doing? |
| 10:37.47 | valdyn | buerste: alright, snd-intel8x0 does not seem to support that audio interface |
| 10:37.48 | vorlon | liable: no to the second, and therefore no to the first |
| 10:37.53 | cahoot | liable: yes and no |
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| 10:38.10 | Virtual | Can I configure what packages I want in KDE after I installed it ? |
| 10:38.23 | Belboz | okay, does anyone know how to change the speed of Alsa playback on Debian? |
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| 10:38.30 | buerste | valdyn, it does, its running on gentoo (installed on another hd) |
| 10:38.32 | sDES | how do I route a packet with iptables?I have to use NAT? |
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| 10:39.11 | buerste | valdyn, he does not know intel8x0 itself, seems as if i dont have it (yet) |
| 10:39.18 | liable | cahoot: from an educational experience, no good? |
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| 10:39.59 | liable | vorlon: ^^ |
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| 10:40.42 | cahoot | liable: that's so much a personal thing - I found it increasingly pointless |
| 10:41.12 | liable | ok cheers. |
| 10:41.20 | cahoot | Belboz: you mean resampling? |
| 10:41.23 | vorlon | liable: it's rather like Gentoo in its approach to "teaching"; what do you actually learn if all you're doing in practice is following recipes? |
| 10:41.24 | valdyn | buerste: snd-intel8x0 finds your audio interface on gentoo? |
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| 10:41.42 | buerste | valdyn, yes |
| 10:41.42 | valdyn | buerste: 'uname -r' please |
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| 10:42.08 | buerste | valdyn, newest one, 2.6.12.1 |
| 10:42.37 | valdyn | buerste: lsmod | grep i8 |
| 10:42.37 | buerste | valdyn, i added both alsa and intel ac97 as modules |
| 10:42.43 | liable | vorlon: thats the impression I am getting, just quickly browsing it. :P |
| 10:42.50 | buerste | valdyn, nothing |
| 10:43.18 | valdyn | buerste: and which kernel on gentoo? |
| 10:44.14 | buerste | valdyn, 2.6.11 |
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| 10:44.55 | dut | Hello! It's possible to find wxpython2.6 package for debian? |
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| 10:46.04 | valdyn | buerste: i have no idea. i would use the gentoo kernel on debian. at least try that one. |
| 10:46.29 | buerste | valdyn, i am doing ;-) |
| 10:46.45 | Belboz | does anyone know how to change the clock speed of Alsa? |
| 10:47.02 | buerste | i cant modprobe snd-intel8x0, he cant find that module, i think thats my mistake. |
| 10:47.27 | valdyn | buerste: uh, it cannot not find the device but cannot find the module? that *is* your mistake ) |
| 10:47.42 | liable | buerste: modeprobe -l |grep snd |
| 10:47.48 | liable | *modprobe |
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| 10:48.15 | Belboz | abrotman, do you know how to change the clock speed of Alsa? |
| 10:48.30 | valdyn | buerste: there is *two* quite similar looking intel driver in your kernel config, one is for modems, the other is for real soundcards |
| 10:48.35 | abrotman | Belboz: did you ask #alsa ? |
| 10:48.48 | Belboz | nope, I'll try that abrotman, thanks |
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| 10:49.03 | abrotman | "alsa has a clock speed?" .... |
| 10:49.04 | buerste | valdyn, i know, bot the modem one is experimental. i just added the other one |
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| 10:49.34 | valdyn | buerste: but that module does not exist? forgot 'make clean' ? |
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| 10:49.47 | liable | buerste: have you compiled two 2.6.11 kernels? |
| 10:49.53 | buerste | valdyn, i did, yes |
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| 10:50.02 | buerste | liable, yes. |
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| 10:50.09 | buerste | have i to? |
| 10:50.15 | buerste | clean |
| 10:50.22 | valdyn | buerste: you should |
| 10:50.24 | Belboz | abrotman, yeah, and my clockspeed is too fast :( |
| 10:50.25 | roam | Do I need a separate /boot partiotion if I want / to be encrypted? |
| 10:50.33 | PolarWolf | buerste: does the module exist in /lib/modules/`uname -r`? If so, run depmod -ae, and try to modprobe again. Watch syslog for any errors while loading the module. If the module doesn't exist in the aforementioned location, you didn't install it (properly). |
| 10:50.35 | abrotman | Belboz: what happened to the static ? |
| 10:50.55 | abrotman | roam: probably .. the docs should say |
| 10:51.00 | Belboz | I can't determine that until I fix the clock speed, abrotman |
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| 10:51.09 | abrotman | Belboz: oh .. cute |
| 10:51.19 | Belboz | all playback is too fast :P |
| 10:51.33 | abrotman | Belboz: you're not a chipmunk ? |
| 10:51.42 | buerste | well, it does not |
| 10:51.50 | Belboz | no, but everyone else is abrotman! |
| 10:52.00 | buerste | so i gotta recompile and reinstall my kernel? |
| 10:52.03 | abrotman | dpkg: you're a chipmunk |
| 10:52.16 | PolarWolf | buerste: At the very least you get to install that module from somewhere, yes |
| 10:52.27 | buerste | kk ;) |
| 10:52.29 | liable | buerste: did you --append-to-version=foo? |
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| 10:52.42 | buerste | liable, did not |
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| 10:53.19 | liable | buerste: do that this time. or compile your sound modules in. |
| 10:53.43 | liable | buerste: btw, the modem driver works fine if you need it. :P |
| 10:54.01 | buerste | liable, ^^ |
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| 10:55.00 | buerste | im compiling right now, did a make clean in /usr/src/linux... before |
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| 10:55.45 | liable | buerste: you using make-kpkg? |
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| 10:57.24 | buerste | liable, yes |
| 10:57.40 | rixth | buerste: I suggest you visit http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php it's really good |
| 10:57.47 | Virtual | Can I install flash player via apt-get ? |
| 10:57.57 | Belboz | great, I finnally get alsa somewhat functioning and OSS goes AWOL on me :( |
| 10:58.07 | rixth | Virtual: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:58.08 | AlverGone | Virtual: plugin for mozilla or player? |
| 10:58.08 | rixth | I think. |
| 10:59.04 | Virtual | well for konqueror or firefox so player i guess? |
| 10:59.13 | abrotman | Belboz: it should afaik |
| 10:59.23 | Belboz | abrotman, you have any idea why fixing Alsa would cause OSS to not function? |
| 10:59.24 | abrotman | !kp |
| 10:59.25 | dpkg | i guess kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 10:59.38 | buerste | rixth, thx |
| 10:59.43 | abrotman | Belboz: because it has to ? |
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| 11:00.10 | Belboz | really? I've had both of them running at the same time before. :/ |
| 11:00.12 | Virtual | AlverGone: well for konqueror or firefox so player i guess? |
| 11:00.31 | liable | Belboz: you shouldnt. |
| 11:00.33 | abrotman | Belboz: not correctly :) |
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| 11:00.58 | Belboz | well, what I mean is, I use the Gstreamer media preferences to select my media engine |
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| 11:01.26 | paulswm | rixth: Except that myrddin gives the unneccessary "make oldconfig", and doesn't mention 'gconfig' for instance. The instructions in the Debian Referance Manual are now pretty good. |
| 11:01.32 | Belboz | and I used to be able to switch back and forth between the two just fine, now I can't get OSS to work, even thuogh I just go ALSA fixed |
| 11:01.36 | hellz | hi, could somebody tell me which vnc server we could use for debian |
| 11:01.49 | abrotman | Belboz: alsa has an OSS compatibility thing |
| 11:01.49 | hellz | is there any .deb for tightvnc |
| 11:02.01 | rixth | paulswm: okay thanks, I'll keept hat in mind |
| 11:02.13 | Belboz | abrotman, you mean an "incompatability thing"? |
| 11:02.18 | abrotman | !info tightvnc |
| 11:02.25 | abrotman | Belboz: i meant what i said |
| 11:02.27 | paulswm | rixth: I used that myrddin page a lot in the past, though :) |
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| 11:03.53 | tzafrir_laptop | anybody here uses FreeNX? Any relible debs for it? |
| 11:03.56 | paulswm | rixth: The biggest difference is that myrddyn does not use fakeroot, which is better than doing the make as root. |
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| 11:04.15 | Belboz | abrotman, I was hoping to just switch back to OSS since I can't get the playback right on ALSA, are you telling me I can't do that? |
| 11:04.26 | abrotman | Belboz: what kind of sound card ? |
| 11:04.52 | Belboz | abrotman: onboard NForce Audio (Nforce 1) |
| 11:04.58 | abrotman | eep |
| 11:05.04 | abrotman | !die nvidia die |
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| 11:05.18 | abrotman | cute |
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| 11:06.08 | Belboz | abrotman, what's wrong with Nforce audio? Does it have issues with Linux? |
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| 11:06.26 | abrotman | nvidia has issues with linux :) |
| 11:06.30 | abrotman | stupid binary crap |
| 11:06.37 | Belboz | ah, ok abrotman |
| 11:06.41 | bobbens | Belboz: i have an nforce 2 chipset working well in debian using the free alsa drivers |
| 11:06.42 | abrotman | Belboz: you could also try asking #nvidia |
| 11:06.50 | Belboz | yeah, they don't release the source files, I know that |
| 11:06.56 | AlverGone | abrotman: it's still the best choice for linux though. |
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| 11:07.25 | AlverGone | ATI hardly gets 50% of the performance of nvidia in linux, unfortunately :/ |
| 11:07.30 | abrotman | AlverGone: define best ... |
| 11:07.41 | Belboz | bobbens, I had alsa and Nforce 1 working nicely until I decided to put in the Nvidia driver :( |
| 11:07.42 | AlverGone | abrotman: pure performance-wise |
| 11:07.48 | abrotman | AlverGone: i've an intel card ... yay free drivers .. that's best IMO |
| 11:07.52 | bluefox83 | what do you use to write a line of text or a word to the top of a file? |
| 11:07.52 | cahoot | AlverGone: it's a matter of soundcard |
| 11:08.00 | abrotman | AlverGone: performance is for weenies :) |
| 11:08.13 | chrysopa | anybody can help-me with a little perl script do made a randomly gdm theme select? |
| 11:08.24 | bluefox83 | like, writing "foo" to bar.txt |
| 11:08.28 | abrotman | #perl |
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| 11:08.52 | bluefox83 | something like touch or echo... |
| 11:08.56 | abrotman | bluefox83: echo it to a file .. then cat newfile oldfile > oldfile |
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| 11:09.21 | buerste | intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 50674 usecs |
| 11:09.23 | buerste | intel8x0: clocking to 46776 |
| 11:09.25 | buerste | :-) |
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| 11:09.53 | liable | !congratulate buerste |
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| 11:09.54 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies buerste, you did it! |
| 11:09.56 | Belboz | oh, now that's just fine and freaking dandy! Alsa just died without reason :( |
| 11:10.08 | bobbens | Belboz: yup the nividia driver is always a bad idea, only use it when you absolutely need it like for example a graphic card |
| 11:10.10 | buerste | liable ;) well the modules are loaded, but alsa doesnt work yet |
| 11:10.21 | bobbens | Belboz: i'd get rid of the driver asap |
| 11:10.25 | liable | buerste: well, its a start. |
| 11:10.29 | abrotman | bah .. stupid idiot |
| 11:10.39 | abrotman | Belboz: blame the hardware! |
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| 11:11.50 | Belboz | bobbens, how do I remove the driver? I don't think I have it in modules any more fortunatley |
| 11:11.58 | abrotman | quick .. ban that IP |
| 11:12.14 | liable | which? |
| 11:12.49 | bobbens | Belboz: when i accidently installed it a long time ago, the only way to absolutely 100% get rid of it was a format + reinstall, i still regret installing that crap |
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| 11:13.10 | MichaelSaunders | is there a channel for user mode linux |
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| 11:13.25 | PolarWolf | MichaelSaunders: yes |
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| 11:13.47 | abrotman | Belboz: you should be able to just delete the driver from /lib/modules/`uname -r`/.... etc .. then depmod -a |
| 11:14.16 | valdyn | Belboz: nvidia provides an uninstall feature with their drivers |
| 11:14.27 | MichaelSaunders | PolarWolf: what is the channel name |
| 11:14.30 | abrotman | !uml |
| 11:14.31 | dpkg | i heard uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
| 11:14.45 | Belboz | valdyn, that sound like the best solution, how do I access this feature? |
| 11:14.46 | abrotman | that didn't work |
| 11:14.49 | PolarWolf | MichaelSaunders: #uml, actually |
| 11:14.52 | abrotman | where's gravity |
| 11:14.59 | valdyn | Belboz: sh nvidia-installer --help |
| 11:15.14 | Belboz | thanks valydyn |
| 11:15.17 | PolarWolf | MichaelSaunders: On second thought, I think that actually lives on opn |
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| 11:15.56 | buerste | liable, works ;) just the gnome speaker is set to 0% volume, bit confusing |
| 11:16.35 | liable | buerste: :) |
| 11:16.49 | Virtual | Who can tell me a plugin that shows me cpu activity and ram usage? |
| 11:17.03 | bobbens | Virtual: gkrellm? |
| 11:17.03 | petemc | gkrellm |
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| 11:17.24 | PolarWolf | Virtual: Depends. gkrellm, for example. I actually liked several gdesklets, but they're kinda slow. |
| 11:17.33 | abrotman | Virtual: if you use gnome you can try gdesklets also |
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| 11:17.47 | abrotman | slow ? |
| 11:17.50 | PolarWolf | No need for gnome to use gdesklets |
| 11:17.50 | petemc | gdesklets are slow? |
| 11:17.53 | abrotman | PolarWolf: how slow/ram is your computer ? |
| 11:18.01 | Virtual | abrotman: I have KDE |
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| 11:18.06 | abrotman | because .. i've never ever thought they were slow |
| 11:18.06 | PolarWolf | abrotman: celeron 1300 with a gig or ram |
| 11:18.14 | petemc | PolarWolf has a good point, theres plenty of stuff you can put in the gnome panel |
| 11:18.14 | abrotman | petemc: they slow for you ? |
| 11:18.15 | paulswm | Virtual: gkrellm can show you pretty much everything you want to know, including CPU clock speed, temperatures, fan speeds, drive acitivy and temps, pretty much everything your mobo and BIOS supports |
| 11:18.21 | petemc | abrotman: they werent when i used them |
| 11:18.26 | whm | have good way to drive " VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01)" |
| 11:18.28 | abrotman | yeah .. not slow here :) |
| 11:18.34 | abrotman | and fun to play with! |
| 11:18.36 | whm | have good way to drive " VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01)" ?? |
| 11:18.44 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 11:18.44 | Pepper | Does someone knows whats going on with s.d.o? There are rumors on debian-security but no clear statements. |
| 11:18.45 | dpkg | i guess unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. |
| 11:18.47 | valdyn | !tell whm about unichrome |
| 11:18.51 | abrotman | whm: |
| 11:18.57 | PolarWolf | screen redrawing was slow as molassis, constant use of 15% of CPU and a lot of memory. |
| 11:19.16 | PolarWolf | But they looked nice, and were useable :P |
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| 11:19.30 | whm | abrotman i'm here |
| 11:19.30 | PolarWolf | gdesklets being python based doesn't help, I guess |
| 11:19.38 | abrotman | whm: i meant to show you what dpkg said |
| 11:19.41 | Nathum | Hey, I have debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso burned onto a cd, is there a way I can install it from shell? |
| 11:20.05 | raf256 | how the FUCK can I allow users to open CD at any time (even if CD is beeing read and it would cause read error) ? |
| 11:20.06 | petemc | Nathum: you can boot from it? |
| 11:20.09 | Belboz | okay guys, alsa is "functioning" again, if you call chipmunks normal that is :P |
| 11:20.10 | Nathum | I have read the readme, but still does not help with running from shell |
| 11:20.25 | petemc | raf256: why the FUCK would you want to do that? |
| 11:20.28 | abrotman | !tell Nathum about debootstrap |
| 11:20.30 | whm | abrotman en,i see |
| 11:20.42 | valdyn | raf256: with the supermount patch only, afaik |
| 11:20.43 | raf256 | petemc: because my FUCKING debian keeps locing my CD and I can not get it out |
| 11:20.48 | Nathum | yes i can boot from it, but i have a /root problem when in partition |
| 11:20.51 | buerste | liable, yea, dmix works too, never got that working in gentoo |
| 11:20.54 | raf256 | valdyn: isnt it in the 2.6.11-1 debians kernel? |
| 11:20.56 | abrotman | raf256: because it's fucked up ? |
| 11:21.04 | valdyn | raf256: i doubt it |
| 11:21.10 | raf256 | abrotman: I have no fucking idea. how to open the fucking cd case? |
| 11:21.13 | raf256 | *cd-rom |
| 11:21.21 | abrotman | raf256: is it locked ? |
| 11:21.25 | petemc | raf256: its FUCKING locking it for a good reason, and if you took the FUCKING time to research and understand why, you wouldnt be so FUCKING frustrated |
| 11:21.30 | Belboz | raf256, right click on the cd-rom in the comptuer dialog, and click "open" |
| 11:21.33 | abrotman | use fuser or lsof to find out why |
| 11:21.36 | raf256 | besides login into X as root and clicking FUCKIING EJECT on cd icon on desktop? |
| 11:21.46 | abrotman | oh .. FFS |
| 11:21.54 | paulswm | Time for ignore |
| 11:21.59 | raf256 | petemc: I dont give a fuck if it even causes read error. besides the CD is not readed now actually |
| 11:22.08 | abrotman | paulswm: but i want to have your babies .. don't ignore me |
| 11:22.20 | paulswm | abrotman: not ignore you :) |
| 11:22.20 | raf256 | Belboz: yeah but I would had to opne X as root just for that reason, with is so lame |
| 11:22.27 | abrotman | raf256: use Clippy .. get CD out .. problem solved |
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| 11:22.31 | petemc | raf256: with your attitude, you wont get too far |
| 11:22.36 | raf256 | abrotman: use what? |
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| 11:22.40 | valdyn | raf256: try 'eject' |
| 11:22.40 | abrotman | use Clippy |
| 11:22.46 | Belboz | raf256, I don't have to be root to open my cd-rom |
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| 11:23.00 | raf256 | valdyn: umount: only root can unmount /dev/hdd from /media/cdrom0 <-- how to change that? |
| 11:23.09 | otroean | Hi. How can i activate a samba user with terminal? |
| 11:23.15 | abrotman | raf256: how did you mount it ? |
| 11:23.16 | paulswm | raf256: man mount |
| 11:23.25 | raf256 | abrotman: I didnt, it mounts automagicly |
| 11:23.35 | valdyn | raf256: by adding user to the mount options in /etc/fstab |
| 11:23.42 | raf256 | abrotman: /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,auto 0 0 |
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| 11:23.59 | raf256 | valdyn: there is user already, apparently it dont work too well |
| 11:24.10 | otroean | and how can i set up my network cark with dhcp. eth0 |
| 11:24.22 | abrotman | oh .. gnome mounts it for him |
| 11:24.30 | paulswm | raf256: which user mounted it? |
| 11:24.37 | raf256 | paulswm: me \o/ |
| 11:24.43 | raf256 | otroean: vim /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:24.45 | paulswm | The user which mounted it prolly has to be the user that umounts it |
| 11:24.55 | valdyn | raf256: no appearantly some mechanism not respecting /etc/fstab mounted it, gnome-volume-manager can be configured to mount devices and it can be configured to not do it. |
| 11:24.55 | liable | try users |
| 11:24.56 | abrotman | use vi .. not vim |
| 11:25.00 | raf256 | auto eth0 |
| 11:25.00 | raf256 | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 11:25.05 | Belboz | I still don't get it, when I have a disk in my drive that I want to eject, I just right click on the drive and click open :/ |
| 11:25.13 | abrotman | since vim doesn't exist on all systems .. vi does |
| 11:25.13 | petemc | abrotman: why not use vim? |
| 11:25.17 | petemc | bah |
| 11:25.19 | raf256 | damn |
| 11:25.24 | paulswm | raf256: you can double check who has it with 'mount', but, yes, that seems odd. |
| 11:25.34 | valdyn | raf256: whats the "auto" doing there? it should reasonably be "noauto" |
| 11:25.37 | Nathum | im lost i dont know what package to install :S |
| 11:25.41 | raf256 | paulswm: double click on gnome CD icon as root? ok brb |
| 11:25.57 | nomad_cz | Hi. I have just found this messages via dmesg - TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 128.187.170.213:1039/59342 shrinks window 2621804375:2621804399. Repaired. What is happenig ? ;) Is it some kind of broken client/server or DOS ? Thanks a lot. BTW I am running Sarge. |
| 11:26.00 | paulswm | raf256: sorry 'mount' doesn't say who has it |
| 11:26.07 | Nathum | I was told to download debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso mabe coz of my situation |
| 11:26.13 | Belboz | lol, funny how you can't open a drive from in "Comptuer" without having any media in it :P |
| 11:26.14 | abrotman | petemc: see what i mean ? |
| 11:26.22 | niZe | i need help, how i can remove grub with linux console? |
| 11:26.24 | liable | raf256: make it users in fstab |
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| 11:26.54 | raf256 | so what sgoud Ido... |
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| 11:26.57 | hellz | hi could somebody help in resolving vnc server problem. when i try to connect the server it says "unable to connect to remote server" |
| 11:27.00 | valdyn | niZe: remove grub? why? |
| 11:27.05 | paulswm | If you have installed vim, saying 'vi' is directed to 'vim' anyway |
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| 11:27.10 | raf256 | valdyn: "noauto"? but I would like the CD to be autoamticly mounted after putting it in |
| 11:27.24 | idealbsd | any known some irc with fillets-ng discussed? |
| 11:27.24 | niZe | to reinstall windows for my noob father |
| 11:27.35 | raf256 | !smite fucking CD mount/eject code devel |
| 11:27.37 | abrotman | your father is a n00b ? |
| 11:27.40 | niZe | yes |
| 11:27.41 | valdyn | raf256: that auto in /etc/fstab refers to automatically trying to mount when you startup your system, not to automatically mounting when you insert a cd |
| 11:27.44 | niZe | a pc's biib |
| 11:27.51 | niZe | a pc's noob |
| 11:27.53 | liable | raf256: ffs, change it to 'users' unmount it with root, type eject as a user. |
| 11:27.56 | hellz | i am using windows 2000 and the server is a debian sarge, i have installed tightvnc and netstat -anp | grep 'vnc' shows that vnc is running and listening |
| 11:27.56 | raf256 | valdyn: so change it to noauto? |
| 11:27.56 | niZe | i need help, how i can remove grub with linux console? |
| 11:28.01 | valdyn | raf256: for cdroms thats usually not agood idea |
| 11:28.05 | valdyn | raf256: yes |
| 11:28.06 | raf256 | mhm... pl |
| 11:28.09 | raf256 | ok |
| 11:28.38 | raf256 | taht raises again my qestion from the other day: |
| 11:28.51 | raf256 | why not make _also_ a kernel with all the goodies patches compiled in? |
| 11:29.00 | valdyn | niZe: remove grub? why? |
| 11:29.04 | raf256 | as low-latency / better shecduling, atop counters, better mounting and other cool stuff |
| 11:29.06 | niZe | to reinstall windows for my noob father |
| 11:29.20 | Double_J | Just install windows |
| 11:29.27 | raf256 | like kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7-with-goodies |
| 11:29.29 | niZe | no, it give some problem |
| 11:29.37 | niZe | with boot loader |
| 11:29.44 | niZe | i need to remove grub first |
| 11:29.46 | hellz | hi, i have resolved that problem but then instead of gnome , x has just come |
| 11:29.48 | niZe | and the install windos |
| 11:29.52 | valdyn | raf256: b/c there's an endless number of goodies and an endless number of bugs in them |
| 11:30.12 | Double_J | Boot the Windows CD, enter command-prompt, and then enter fixmbr or fdisk /mbr |
| 11:30.21 | raf256 | valdyn: so choose reasonable amount of them |
| 11:30.40 | raf256 | valdyn: or make a better/easier way to add them debian way perhaps |
| 11:30.46 | valdyn | raf256: thats alreay done, just not your definition of reasonable |
| 11:30.54 | abrotman | raf256: or stop bitching and fix them yourself ? |
| 11:30.55 | Belboz | okay guys, I got OSS working again, sort of. OSS is now just about as fast as ALSA :( Now I can hear chipmunks in either sound engine, yay! |
| 11:30.57 | raf256 | valdyn: so make 2 versions, smaller and bigger |
| 11:31.04 | raf256 | abrotman: Im not as good in kernel devel |
| 11:31.08 | paulswm | Evry program has at least one undiscovered bug, and every program can be shortened by one line of code, it therefore follows that any program can be reduced to one line of code which doesn't work. |
| 11:31.18 | Nathum | I have downloaded cdebootstrap_0.3.4_i386.deb what do I do with it? |
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| 11:31.29 | paulswm | And some developers are working hard to make that happen, it seems. |
| 11:31.37 | abrotman | raf256: as what? |
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| 11:32.13 | raf256 | abrotman: as to find and choose interesting patches, patch them onto kernel and recompile... I meant I could do that but it would be so time conumming for unexperienced user as me :/ |
| 11:32.14 | [S][F]Era | Nathum: # dpkg -i cdebootstrap_bla,bla |
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| 11:32.20 | Nathum | k |
| 11:32.27 | abrotman | raf256: oh .. right .. that would be a bad thing .. now i don't feel bad for you |
| 11:32.36 | abrotman | raf256: why not just do the FOLK thing |
| 11:32.52 | PolarWolf | raf256: find out what holds the mountpoint with fuser (probably some stupid gnomish background process), kill it and them umount the CD. Then eject it. If no help, umount -f it as root. I do assume you have access to the root account? |
| 11:32.56 | raf256 | abrotman: Im waiting for my vacation to have the FOLING ime forthat |
| 11:33.13 | raf256 | PolarWolf: I can do sudo eject, it worked |
| 11:33.19 | abrotman | http://folk.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 11:33.30 | PolarWolf | raf256: Cool. |
| 11:34.07 | raf256 | abrotman: where can get sources of 2.6.8-1 debian (with debian patches)? apt-get sources kernel-image... etc? where the source will be puted, can I patch it manualy with patch -p0 ? |
| 11:34.10 | PolarWolf | raf256: You might want to check the mount tables to see if things are still consistent though |
| 11:34.14 | abrotman | raf256: where do you think? |
| 11:34.22 | abrotman | how fucking long have you been using debian ? |
| 11:34.27 | raf256 | abrotman: I have no fucking idea where |
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| 11:34.48 | raf256 | abrotman: Im working on it, not playing with the system itself |
| 11:34.53 | abrotman | raf256: ddi you think to try .. apt-cache search kernel source ? |
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| 11:35.16 | raf256 | abrotman: I fucking did, but kernel-source-2.6.11 seems like the ones without debian patches applyed..? |
| 11:35.25 | abrotman | wrong |
| 11:35.31 | abrotman | check the diff |
| 11:35.36 | raf256 | how? |
| 11:35.43 | abrotman | on the website |
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| 11:36.26 | PolarWolf | raf256: I don't know how kernel packages do it, but usually patches are applied at build time |
| 11:36.32 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.11/kernel-source-2.6.11_2.6.11-7/changelog |
| 11:36.39 | PolarWolf | raf256: They reside somewhere in the debian/ directory. |
| 11:36.43 | raf256 | abrotman: actually, apparently 2.6.11 sources arent in "testing" althgouh its image and headers are... can I do apt-get soruce kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7 then? |
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| 11:37.31 | whm | which package should I instal if I want [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video work well ???? |
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| 11:38.07 | abrotman | raf256: dunno .. you'll have to get the one for the kernel you're using |
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| 11:38.22 | drac | whm: apt-get install x-window-system-core / dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (choose driver "via") |
| 11:38.29 | PolarWolf | raf256: Looks like kernel packages do things differently. Check what /usr/src/kernel-source-<version>/Debian-src-changelog tells you |
| 11:39.09 | raf256 | abrotman: but Im using 2.6.11 only there is no kernel-source for it, just -images/-headers |
| 11:39.10 | whm | drac but there is no hardware 3d accerlation |
| 11:39.21 | drac | whm: for that you have to wait X.Org. |
| 11:39.34 | abrotman | raf256: ok .. so .. check the changelog for sid |
| 11:39.36 | paulswm | raf256: rather than mess with my sources just for the kernel source (I'm also using testing), I just downloaded the 2.6.11 deb from unstable and dpkg -i'd it to install |
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| 11:39.40 | PolarWolf | kernel-source-2.6.11 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.11 with Debian patches |
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| 11:40.01 | raf256 | paulswm: hwo exacly do I do that? |
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| 11:40.09 | whm | drac I see,waiting for X.Org |
| 11:40.15 | lewwy | hello, how do i use apt-get? |
| 11:40.26 | buerste | where to create the sound file containing the information about alsa / oss? alsaconf does not create it! (kernel 2.6.12.1) |
| 11:40.27 | raf256 | lewwy: apt-get install some-cool-sexy-program-name |
| 11:40.54 | abrotman | !tell lewwy about refcard |
| 11:41.09 | buerste | raf256, could not find package some-cool-sexy-program-name. ;) |
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| 11:41.16 | lewwy | hehe |
| 11:41.20 | abrotman | buerste: robotfindskitten |
| 11:41.26 | liable | brb |
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| 11:41.50 | whm | drac i found i am using xorg...... |
| 11:42.03 | PolarWolf | whm: ubuntu user, eh? |
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| 11:42.18 | abrotman | whm: xorg isn't in debian |
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| 11:42.33 | paulswm | raf256: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/kernel-source-2.6.11 and download the deb (that's the architecture/all link) |
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| 11:42.39 | raf256 | paulswm: cool \o/ |
| 11:42.50 | whm | i get xorg from ubuntu source |
| 11:42.51 | raf256 | paulswm: and patches... I get them form kernel.org? |
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| 11:43.08 | PolarWolf | whm: so do I |
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| 11:43.23 | PolarWolf | raf256: depends on the patches. |
| 11:43.29 | paulswm | raf256: I won't know what patches you need. That's the debian-patched source. |
| 11:43.34 | drac | whm: 'man via' |
| 11:43.52 | whm | so any way to driver [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01)" on xorg??? |
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| 11:44.11 | PolarWolf | whm: Does x.org have that driver? |
| 11:44.18 | abrotman | whm: we don't know .. ask #ubuntu |
| 11:44.18 | paulswm | raf256: Sometimes you have to mess with the patches to get them to work on an already-patched kernel, that is tedious, error prone and a pain to maintain. |
| 11:44.21 | PolarWolf | whm: If not, then you're probably SOL |
| 11:44.36 | whm | PolarWolf i't seems that it have |
| 11:45.01 | PolarWolf | whm: Any good reason why it doesn't work for you then? |
| 11:45.07 | whm | PolarWolf but so many option |
| 11:45.27 | PolarWolf | whm: Ah. So basically your question is how to configure X.org to use the driver for your hardware. |
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| 11:46.15 | buerste | where to get libdvdcss? |
| 11:46.15 | whm | PolarWolf yes,i found "direct rendering: No" on my computer |
| 11:46.31 | AlverGone | buerste: google for debian-marillat |
| 11:46.39 | buerste | kk |
| 11:47.12 | abrotman | !tell buerste about marillat |
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| 11:48.23 | PolarWolf | whm: Well, your xorg.conf needs a reference to the proper driver for your card in the Device section. To find out which driver you need... |
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| 11:48.48 | PolarWolf | whm: My lucky guess would be "s3_drv" |
| 11:49.07 | PolarWolf | whm: i.e. Driver "s3" in xorg.conf |
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| 11:49.31 | PolarWolf | whm: Whether or not DRI is important in this context, no idea. |
| 11:49.33 | whm | PolarWolf i have changed it {Driver "via"} before |
| 11:49.41 | PolarWolf | whm: Did it work? |
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| 11:50.25 | abrotman | xorg isn't in debian |
| 11:50.30 | whm | PolarWolf no ,I found "direct rendering: No" in glxinfo |
| 11:50.31 | abrotman | ask #freedesktop or #ubuntu |
| 11:50.47 | PolarWolf | whm: Have you tried "s3"? |
| 11:51.03 | abrotman | s3 isn't accelerated |
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| 11:51.06 | abrotman | and xorg isn't in debian |
| 11:51.19 | whm | PolarWolf no ,does it work?? I try |
| 11:51.30 | AlverGone | mmm, quite weird. I thought there was an option to choose Xorg in sid :) my mistake |
| 11:51.31 | PolarWolf | abrotman: It will be, and it's not xorg specific in either case. |
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| 11:51.44 | black-whisp | hmm.. can any off you help me with this error: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/214 |
| 11:51.49 | abrotman | PolarWolf: but he's using xorg .. we dont' have xorg .. not for #debian |
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| 11:51.59 | abrotman | esp since gravity isn't here |
| 11:52.23 | Roadrunne | hi, what was the commandline for running the tool to config the sources.list from apt? |
| 11:52.31 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 11:52.33 | PolarWolf | abrotman: If the package maintainer for xorg writes on his blog where to get it and that it will be included on Sid very soon, does it make it a #debian topic then? |
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| 11:53.05 | jim | Roadrunne: man 5 sources.list |
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| 11:53.21 | Roadrunne | abrotman: thx. I seems I was blind when pressing tab after apt-... ;-) |
| 11:53.23 | black-whisp | hmm.. can any of you help me with this. http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/214 |
| 11:53.33 | whm | still found direct rendering: No :( |
| 11:53.37 | abrotman | PolarWolf: not in debian yet :) |
| 11:53.52 | jim | PolarWolf: subscribe to debian-x@lists.debian.org |
| 11:54.00 | PolarWolf | whm: Looks like you'll need to get DRI working somehow. |
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| 11:54.25 | PolarWolf | jim: I have no interest in the whole subject, really. Just trying to help a poor sod out with his problem. |
| 11:54.42 | whm | PolarWolf how??i have load module "dri" |
| 11:54.43 | jim | black-whisp: are you running ubuntu? |
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| 11:55.23 | black-whisp | jim: yes. but im installing chroot debian sarge and get an error.. :S i've pasted it at : http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/214 |
| 11:55.24 | PolarWolf | whm: Does the logfile for X mention any other errors> |
| 11:55.27 | PolarWolf | s/>/?/ |
| 11:55.44 | jim | PolarWolf, you said this... "abrotman: If the package maintainer for xorg writes on his blog where to get it and that it will be included on Sid very soon, does it make it a #debian topic then?" |
| 11:55.52 | peritus | how can i take a complete backup of my partitions? i want to backup them, change resize them and have the put back the same contents again without reinstalling.. |
| 11:56.04 | PolarWolf | jim: I did, yes. I'm not making a problem out of it, abrotman is. |
| 11:56.10 | jim | it is to that which I respond |
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| 11:56.31 | AlverGone | peritus: rsync the partition to somewhere, make a tape dump of it, ... |
| 11:56.47 | Virtual | is there any special kernel version I can install for laptops? |
| 11:56.48 | PolarWolf | jim: Okay, so it's only a #debian topic when it's "official" |
| 11:56.53 | AlverGone | if you want to resize too I guess rsync would be the way to go |
| 11:57.06 | PolarWolf | whm: Sorry, you're on your own. |
| 11:57.08 | abrotman | PolarWolf: well .. it doesn't help that he's using the ubuntu packages for X |
| 11:57.11 | abrotman | err xorg |
| 11:57.27 | peritus | AlverGone: okey, the permissions will still be the same then? |
| 11:57.29 | AlverGone | booting from a cd distro, mounting the wiped HD, rsync back and rerunning lilo... |
| 11:57.45 | AlverGone | peritus: I believe there are rsync options to preserve permissions, yes |
| 11:57.53 | PolarWolf | abrotman: Oh come on, X.org isn't that different from XFree86 when it comes to debugging problems. If the end result is that the packages are broken, I can tell him that, then. |
| 11:57.55 | jim | PolarWolf: didn't say that... I did say you should subscribe to that list... but having heard you're not actually interested... the interested party should subscribe |
| 11:57.57 | AlverGone | but I don't know how it plays with /proc and /dev |
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| 11:58.44 | abrotman | PolarWolf: no .. but we don't support ubuntu here :) |
| 11:59.24 | PolarWolf | jim: I'm interested in having X.org included in debian, but that's about all. If it appears, I'm not the first to want to install it. |
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| 11:59.43 | PolarWolf | abrotman: That's pretty clear by now, yes. |
| 12:00.02 | jim | PolarWolf: it's not even the start of being packaged, as far as anyone knows... the thing is, there's a difference between what's been tested and integrated with debian (the supported part) and something that's not even close to integration (not easily supportable) |
| 12:00.04 | abrotman | whm: you can't speak as root in this channel |
| 12:00.13 | PolarWolf | jim: If it appears, I'll hear about it through "other" channels :P |
| 12:00.16 | AlverGone | PolarWolf: imo xorg will be added to sid once etch gets on the tracks properly |
| 12:00.33 | jim | PolarWolf: or, through the mailing list I cited |
| 12:01.15 | jim | as far as I know, that would be the definitive source for information |
| 12:01.19 | PolarWolf | http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/ |
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| 12:01.46 | PolarWolf | I read the top post as "almost ready, but debian isn't ready for it yet" |
| 12:02.05 | jim | that's not definitive in any way |
| 12:02.25 | jim | but it is basically accurate |
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| 12:02.51 | PolarWolf | Of course not, but it's not "not being close" either |
| 12:03.17 | jim | PolarWolf: yes, it is. it's not even close to being integrated. |
| 12:03.21 | abrotman | jim: if you read david's blog .. the packages are there .. and he failed to upload them properly to exp .. he's thinking he may go straight to sarge |
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| 12:03.27 | abrotman | err sid |
| 12:03.30 | abrotman | not sarge |
| 12:03.32 | abrotman | !smack me |
| 12:03.36 | PolarWolf | *sigh* |
| 12:03.42 | PolarWolf | Okay, fine. |
| 12:03.42 | jim | who's david? |
| 12:03.56 | FieldySnuts | badger |
| 12:04.07 | abrotman | jim: gravity |
| 12:04.14 | michal_ | anyone here know anything about fat32 filesystems? i have an external drive which was working fine and suddenly it seems that the partitiosn ahve disappeared.. i was told by someone that with fat32 if you lose the partitions you've lost the information required to recover the files.. is this true? and if not, what can i do? |
| 12:04.17 | jim | ahh, he's the x maint now? |
| 12:04.36 | abrotman | jim: i think he's hte unofficial packager for xorg |
| 12:04.52 | jim | oh, and branden? |
| 12:05.01 | abrotman | ask him .. he's here |
| 12:05.02 | jim | is he still the official maint? |
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| 12:05.22 | jim | overfiend: are you still the official x maint? |
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| 12:06.02 | jim | evidently he's away from his keyboard |
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| 12:06.31 | klaas | Hello there. |
| 12:06.49 | abrotman | !maint xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:07.07 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: Debian X Strike Force <debian-x@lists.debian.org> |
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| 12:07.47 | klaas | Sorry, I hate to intrude, but I'm wondering if anybody can help me with a little problem I have. |
| 12:07.56 | jethro | !tell klaas -about ask |
| 12:07.57 | FieldySnuts | klaas: no problem |
| 12:08.11 | FieldySnuts | ;) |
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| 12:08.32 | klaas | I'm having problems an usb-ehernet adapter i just bought. |
| 12:08.48 | jim | !sicco |
| 12:08.49 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 12:09.06 | MacNamera | I have a canyon router running but it is causing trouble, can someone help? |
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| 12:09.32 | shingouz | !tell MacNamera about ask |
| 12:09.45 | klaas | I googled, and determined that it uses the AX88172-chipset, which should be supported by the usbnet-module. But nope... anyone? |
| 12:09.57 | nevyn | has anyone built a scaleable storage solution using linux (where scalable means multiple boxes but exporting a single filesystem) |
| 12:10.20 | jim | klaas: what is the history of your problem? that is, list of everything you tried, what result you got, what you expected the result to be. |
| 12:10.39 | abrotman | nevyn: you mean .. a SAN ? |
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| 12:10.44 | PolarWolf | nevyn: You'll need a filesystem which will support that, like, uh, gfs, afs and friends. |
| 12:10.46 | shingouz | klaas: but nope is not real diagnostic. does the kernel see it? no module loaded? do you have hotplug or usbmgr? |
| 12:10.51 | netfrog | nevyn: google did that |
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| 12:10.56 | klaas | jim: I loaded all modules is the drivers/usb/net dir, checked lsusb/lspci but nothing comes up. |
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| 12:11.06 | klaas | shinqouz: Npe.. |
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| 12:11.31 | PolarWolf | nevyn: Of coda, which is a networked filesystem which keeps a local cache (iirc) |
| 12:11.35 | PolarWolf | s/Of/Or/ |
| 12:11.39 | shingouz | geee... multiple questions and one answer: nope. |
| 12:11.41 | MacNamera | is there a specific router channel available to help me? |
| 12:11.46 | klaas | shinqouz: It does provide met with a vendor id, ant tells me a new usb-device is connected. But that's about it. |
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| 12:12.01 | klaas | shingouz: hotplug. |
| 12:12.02 | shingouz | MacNamera: what problems does it give you? more information needed |
| 12:12.02 | jim | klaas: determine which if any files that are located in /var/log grow in size when you plug or unplug the usb device from the computer |
| 12:12.13 | Terr1 | Has the Nforce4 chipset support in linux? (Nvidia Gbit LAN, audio and so on) ? |
| 12:12.17 | nevyn | PolarWolf: coda has 2gig problems still I thought |
| 12:12.17 | PolarWolf | nevyn: Either way, it's not a #debian topic, and as I found out already, people don't like questions which aren't debian specific in here :P |
| 12:12.18 | shingouz | klaas: does it install the correct module? |
| 12:12.19 | FieldySnuts | xtail /var/log/* |
| 12:12.29 | MacNamera | shingouz: giving problems in combination with adsl router |
| 12:12.31 | nevyn | well I'd be using debian for it :) |
| 12:12.55 | shingouz | MacNamera: do we get to guess what probems has? |
| 12:12.56 | klaas | shingouz: It doesn't load any module. There's only a vendor-id, no vendor-string either. |
| 12:13.00 | PolarWolf | nevyn: No idea which problems Coda has, I only know it exists and have a generic idea of what it does |
| 12:13.22 | abrotman | nevyn: openafs is in debian |
| 12:13.26 | shingouz | klaas: slap the dongle in and do an lsusb on it |
| 12:13.31 | FieldySnuts | i played with stuff like that about 2 years ago, i was very frustrated because none of them were anywhere near a usable state, not to mention good enough for production use |
| 12:13.38 | FieldySnuts | maybe that's changed |
| 12:13.47 | FieldySnuts | another one is intermezzo but I don't think that's really gone anywyere |
| 12:13.59 | shingouz | klaas: usb-ethernet is sucky in anycase. get a real nic if possible |
| 12:14.16 | MacNamera | k, eg I have access to a ftp server of a friend of mine, logging in works but the directory is not reflected on the screen, it hangs. When I take away the router than it works fine |
| 12:14.26 | FieldySnuts | most of the time, those only will work in windows, with windows drivers |
| 12:14.31 | klaas | shigouz: Bus 004 Device 004: ID 9710:7830 Noname |
| 12:14.36 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:14.47 | abrotman | !pciids |
| 12:14.48 | dpkg | i heard pciids is run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device" |
| 12:14.50 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 12:14.50 | shingouz | !tell klaas about nicktab |
| 12:14.52 | klaas | shigouz: Sorry, mac-mini (no pci slots). |
| 12:15.02 | klaas | shingouz: nicktab? |
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| 12:15.06 | FieldySnuts | MacNamera: because of the lame way FTP operates. the client connects to the server, and for listing, the server has to connect back to the client, as if it were a server. this throws off routing and NAT badly |
| 12:15.16 | abrotman | macmini with broadcom crap! |
| 12:15.20 | FieldySnuts | MacNamera: only way I know to get around that is the ftp nat modules for iptables, but that isn't gonna help you |
| 12:15.36 | abrotman | or force passive on the client/server |
| 12:15.45 | abrotman | which sucks anyways |
| 12:15.46 | shingouz | klaas: i do not know how to configure hotplug as i do nto use it but you need to tell it that when the dongle is inserted it needs to load the correct module |
| 12:15.47 | FieldySnuts | which usually still doesn't work |
| 12:15.49 | abrotman | or ... don't use ftp |
| 12:16.00 | FieldySnuts | that's what i'm thinking, plaintext username/pass, gimmie a break |
| 12:16.06 | shingouz | klaas: modprobe -r (all the useless usbmodules you inserted) |
| 12:16.17 | MacNamera | Is there are way to disable the router functionality and let it act like a hub? |
| 12:16.29 | abrotman | MacNamera: why are you using ftp ? |
| 12:16.34 | FieldySnuts | what does all this have to do with debian anyway |
| 12:16.37 | klaas | shingouz, I loaded all modules manually, one by one. No result. |
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| 12:16.40 | petemc | MacNamera: you could try setting pass in ~/.netrc |
| 12:16.43 | petemc | passive |
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| 12:17.01 | shingouz | klaas: i just told you to remove all the bloody useless modules to begin with |
| 12:17.20 | klaas | shingouz, I did.. |
| 12:17.30 | FieldySnuts | shingouz: why is it that we cannot get anything through the heads of people who insist on using usb networking |
| 12:17.35 | FieldySnuts | !lart klaas |
| 12:17.46 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: no idea. a lart is a good idea |
| 12:17.56 | MacNamera | petemc: sry, I'm a bit of a noob on network issues, how do I do that? |
| 12:18.06 | shingouz | klaas: so now you do not have any usb modules there? |
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| 12:18.12 | abrotman | MacNamera: WHY are you USING FTP ? |
| 12:18.19 | tosh | I want to add a virtualdomain to our sendmail configuration, so I added the domain to the virtdomains file, added an entry to the mailertable and did a "make" in /etc/mail but when I mail to an address of that domain, I still get a mailback saying "Domain invalid".. any ideas? |
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| 12:18.34 | klaas | shingouz, correct. |
| 12:18.51 | shingouz | klaas: do you have the usb hub there still? |
| 12:18.53 | petemc | MacNamera: vim /~.netrc , add a line default, then another line with passive |
| 12:18.55 | MacNamera | p2p / aMule is giving troubles too...too slow to exchange files |
| 12:19.10 | abrotman | MacNamera: and this is on a Debian box ? |
| 12:19.29 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: i am tempted to do the same.. |
| 12:19.31 | FieldySnuts | no, it's got nothing to do with debian |
| 12:19.39 | FieldySnuts | as it's a router |
| 12:19.58 | abrotman | MacNamera: and this is on a Debian box ? |
| 12:20.04 | valdyn_ | MacNamera: the edonkey network jus is slow, that has nothing to do w/ debian |
| 12:20.05 | MacNamera | debian as well as windows too |
| 12:20.10 | klaas | shingouz, yes. |
| 12:20.14 | abrotman | then fix your stupid fucking router |
| 12:20.30 | shingouz | klaas: do you know the name of the module the dongle is *supposed* to use? |
| 12:20.38 | klaas | shingouz, usbnet |
| 12:20.40 | MacNamera | abrotman: that is exaclty what I want to do |
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| 12:20.49 | shingouz | klaas: modprobe usbnet |
| 12:20.51 | abrotman | MacNamera: but your router doesn't run debian |
| 12:20.57 | MacNamera | but do not know how... |
| 12:21.00 | green_earz | MacNamera: for p2p have a look > apt-cache show bittornado-gui |
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| 12:21.08 | klaas | shingouz, okay, what output do you want? |
| 12:21.17 | darxeth | i downloaded some files via smbclient, where can i find them now? |
| 12:21.21 | FieldySnuts | copy and paste folks /ignore klaas*!*@* all /ignore MacNamera*!*@* all or similar , wasting your time |
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| 12:21.34 | FieldySnuts | !hire MacNamera |
| 12:21.35 | shingouz | klaas: i just want to know if it went in the re properly |
| 12:22.08 | shingouz | klaas: ifconfig -a and look if you have a new eth interface there |
| 12:22.11 | FieldySnuts | heh. what is that after taxes. 35 cents? |
| 12:22.23 | shingouz | too much in anycase:p |
| 12:22.23 | klaas | shingouz, It's not there. |
| 12:22.24 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: probably 80 |
| 12:22.30 | abrotman | in the states anyways |
| 12:22.32 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 12:22.33 | apt | Brits will one day stomp the IRA! |
| 12:22.42 | abrotman | oh .... |
| 12:22.42 | MacNamera | I'll be glad to ask in the correct group, but which should I go to? Please help |
| 12:22.58 | Phated | FieldySnuts: That's a fuck of a lot of taxes. |
| 12:23.04 | valdyn_ | MacNamera: www.yourroutervendor.com |
| 12:23.16 | shingouz | klaas: either the module you used is not the one the dongle needs or the dongle is fucked. get a real nic is my advice |
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| 12:23.21 | FieldySnuts | or #somewhereelseIdontcarewherejustgothefuckaway |
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| 12:23.33 | FieldySnuts | heh he said dongle |
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| 12:23.50 | klaas | shingouz, thanks, I'll have to get a different dongle then. (no pci slots). |
| 12:23.57 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: fuck usb "networking" |
| 12:24.10 | shingouz | klaas: what the fsck kind of hardware you have there then? |
| 12:24.21 | klaas | shingouz, mac-mini. |
| 12:24.31 | klaas | shingouz, doesn't work on x86 either. |
| 12:24.38 | FieldySnuts | oh that's right I was gonna start using irssi on the weekends here, -replies option to ignore is too valuable |
| 12:24.44 | Phated | Heheh, mac. |
| 12:25.02 | Nigel | FieldySnuts: hmmm that for some reason set off mf highlight |
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| 12:25.35 | shingouz | klaas: and the mac mini does not have a nic that would work with debian? |
| 12:25.37 | Phated | Nigel: Only if you have some other hilight set. |
| 12:25.47 | klaas | shingouz, does, but I need 2. |
| 12:25.49 | tosh | anyone running sendmail that has an idea of why my sendmail isn't accepting my new domain? |
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| 12:25.57 | klaas | shingouz, firewall. |
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| 12:27.07 | shingouz | klaas: did you buy the mac just to get a firewall? |
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| 12:27.23 | fieldysnuts | ah. haven't used irssi in a long time |
| 12:27.32 | tarzeau | anyone for the Lost Levels ? |
| 12:27.36 | klaas | shingouz, yes. I don't like a noisy old bix in my room. |
| 12:27.38 | fieldysnuts | wtf, alt-# isn't working in xterm |
| 12:27.48 | shingouz | klaas: just go get yourself an old P1 or P2 and use that |
| 12:27.53 | tarzeau | jethro, jharrison, abrotman, shingouz, takatumi #bub-n-bros now? |
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| 12:28.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: bike ride! |
| 12:28.14 | power | hallo room |
| 12:28.22 | jethro | !bubnbrossmite tarzeau |
| 12:28.27 | klaas | shingouz, that's the situation now, too much noise. |
| 12:28.32 | tarzeau | the game started, same place. gnu.ethz.ch |
| 12:28.32 | jethro | tarzeau: alright |
| 12:28.33 | abrotman | !room |
| 12:28.34 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 12:28.53 | klaas | shingouz, and firewalling is not it's sole funcion |
| 12:28.55 | power | need help |
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| 12:29.03 | power | can someone help me? |
| 12:29.14 | tosh | power don't ask to ask |
| 12:29.19 | shingouz | power: not unless you tell wht the problem is |
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| 12:29.29 | abrotman | !ask |
| 12:29.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 12:29.29 | power | x800xt pe dont found a driver for my linux knoppix |
| 12:29.40 | shingouz | !knoppixsmite power |
| 12:29.41 | Nigel | Phated: yeah, i think it's some highlight i've had in the past and didn't delete |
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| 12:30.00 | remmy_ | can someone help me mount my c partition? |
| 12:30.09 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: morning |
| 12:30.12 | tarzeau | remmy_: man mount |
| 12:30.13 | FieldySnuts | what the heck. i log in on console and use irssi, i can use alt-# to switch windows/channels/etc, in xterm i just get funky characters |
| 12:30.16 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: feel better ? |
| 12:30.17 | power | oppps sorry |
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| 12:31.13 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: same here |
| 12:31.30 | FieldySnuts | that's lame |
| 12:31.46 | abrotman | is it ctrl=#? |
| 12:31.56 | herbi | anyone here speak french? |
| 12:31.58 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 12:32.12 | abrotman | !fr |
| 12:32.12 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:32.41 | FieldySnuts | gah so much for using irssi in xterm, then. wonder if it's xterm or irssi's fault |
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| 12:33.27 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: gnome-term ? |
| 12:33.31 | technos | FieldySnuts: It's xterm. It's not treating the alt-combo the same as console. |
| 12:33.45 | AlverGone | FieldySnuts: I've heard complaints about xterm for that before... rxvt is said to be better |
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| 12:33.55 | technos | FieldySnuts: You'll run into the same thing with irssi and putty |
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| 12:34.16 | FieldySnuts | technos: weak |
| 12:34.23 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: no thanks, too much memory |
| 12:34.30 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 12:34.37 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i didn't know which WM you used |
| 12:34.41 | FieldySnuts | christ. so hard just to do the simplest thing. |
| 12:34.42 | FieldySnuts | true |
| 12:34.52 | abrotman | aterm! |
| 12:34.54 | abrotman | Eterm! |
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| 12:35.22 | tosh | I want to add a virtualdomain to our sendmail configuration, so I added the domain to the virtdomains file, added an entry to the mailertable and did a "make" in /etc/mail but when I mail to an address of that domain, I still get a mailback saying "Domain invalid" |
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| 12:35.40 | liable | FieldySnuts: esc # works |
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| 12:35.49 | technos | There's an option to set xterm to use ESC/7, FieldySnuts |
| 12:35.51 | FieldySnuts | too annoying, i solved it |
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| 12:35.58 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: by ? |
| 12:35.59 | FieldySnuts | ctl-left click xterm, send meta events or whatever |
| 12:36.03 | Finalhazard | Hey, does anyone here have any experiance with Knoppix? |
| 12:36.08 | FieldySnuts | er meta sends escape |
| 12:36.11 | thomas_adam | Finalhazard: #knoppix do. |
| 12:36.16 | Finalhazard | Ok, thanks. |
| 12:36.17 | abrotman | Finalhazard: wrong channel |
| 12:36.21 | buerste | hows the file called containing the oss/alsa stuff? example: alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 (kernel 2.6) |
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| 12:36.29 | remmy_ | that manual is helping me figure this out im a linux newb, could you give me a example of what the line should look like? mount -t disk hdd /c:? |
| 12:37.00 | thomas_adam | buerste: /etc/modules.conf |
| 12:37.00 | liable | buerste: /etc/modules.conf |
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| 12:37.12 | bluefox83 | remmy_, whatcha trying to do? |
| 12:37.15 | cahoot | buerste: /etc/modprobe.d/sound on sarge |
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| 12:37.27 | technos | remmy_: mount /dev/hda1, etc.. Change hda1 to whatever your trying to mount. a1 is first partition first drive, b1 first partition second drive, b2 second part.. You get it? |
| 12:37.46 | remmy_ | bluefox83, mount my C partition |
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| 12:38.07 | bluefox83 | remmy_, this isn't winblows, there be no C heah! |
| 12:38.10 | abrotman | remmy_: is it fat32 or ntfs ? |
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| 12:39.26 | buerste | well i installed alsa-oss + edited that /etc/modprobe.d/sound file, but i cant use oss yet |
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| 12:39.57 | cahoot | buerste: what do you mean - can't use oss? |
| 12:39.57 | thomas_adam | buerste: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 12:41.35 | buerste | do i have to compile the oss drivers into the kernel, too? |
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| 12:42.14 | cahoot | buerste: no you only want alsas oss api |
| 12:42.16 | thomas_adam | buerste: ALSA has an oss-compatability layer to it. |
| 12:42.34 | thomas_adam | buerste: The snd-pcm-oss module and friends provide that. |
| 12:42.46 | buerste | cahoot, thomas_adam well it aint working and i cant modprobe that, not found |
| 12:43.07 | thomas_adam | buerste: So install the alsa-modules -- is this a 2.6 stock kernel, or what? |
| 12:43.22 | buerste | custom 2.6 |
| 12:43.30 | buerste | alsa is working |
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| 12:43.59 | FieldySnuts | yeah I had to re-login.. |
| 12:44.06 | thomas_adam | buerste: Then you didn't compile in the OSS compatability stuff. |
| 12:44.07 | FieldySnuts | wrong chan |
| 12:44.19 | buerste | thomas_adam, think so too |
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| 12:44.56 | thomas_adam | buerste: CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS |
| 12:44.58 | FieldySnuts | sticking XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true in ~/.Xdefaults and logging back in solves this problem, sets the option in Xterm by default |
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| 12:45.07 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: man xrdb |
| 12:45.20 | FieldySnuts | thomas_adam: why? |
| 12:45.29 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: You don't need to logout and login again. |
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| 12:45.35 | FieldySnuts | did it anyway, but ok |
| 12:45.39 | buerste | thomas_adam, which ones are these? oss mixer api + oss pcm api? |
| 12:45.50 | thomas_adam | buerste: Hmm? |
| 12:45.54 | FieldySnuts | shit like this in linux irritates me, took me 15 minutes to figure out something simple like that. |
| 12:45.58 | FieldySnuts | </rant> |
| 12:46.00 | buerste | thomas_adam, the kernel modules in menuconfig |
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| 12:46.17 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, is handy. |
| 12:46.33 | FieldySnuts | aw man was gonna go out the boat but there are storms around |
| 12:46.42 | thomas_adam | buerste: Set them, then. At least _read_ the ALSA texr file in the kernel source Documentation. |
| 12:46.50 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: And was it worth it, to show up here on a Saturday? :P |
| 12:46.52 | FieldySnuts | i gotta figure out a way to make Xterm font a lot larger, already ctl-+'d as much as I can, too small |
| 12:46.54 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's just a little lightning |
| 12:47.13 | FieldySnuts | yeah sitting in a metal boat on water connected to ground |
| 12:47.14 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: You can use the standard X11 font. |
| 12:47.21 | mrcoyote | ça fart? |
| 12:47.26 | FieldySnuts | !irritate mrcoyote |
| 12:47.27 | dpkg | mrcoyote: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
| 12:47.29 | thomas_adam | xterm*font: -*-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-normal-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-* |
| 12:47.35 | thomas_adam | Is what I use. |
| 12:47.38 | Nurbs | is it possible to tell apt-get to only try IPv4 when connecting to servers (and not IPv6)? |
| 12:47.38 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: water connected to ground ? |
| 12:47.44 | FieldySnuts | and how do you use that? |
| 12:47.53 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: Within ~/.Xresources |
| 12:47.54 | FieldySnuts | oh .Xdefaults again? |
| 12:48.01 | thomas_adam | Of course. |
| 12:48.02 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i don't think the metal boat is the problem |
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| 12:48.09 | FieldySnuts | is there a spot i can read about all these different config files, no man page for Xdefaults |
| 12:48.23 | FieldySnuts | er hang on, .Xdefaults or .Xresources? |
| 12:48.42 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: There is. In a nutshell, those apps that support Xresource protocol hints will use that file -- some apps do not. |
| 12:48.54 | FieldySnuts | k |
| 12:49.00 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: Anything Xt and Xm-based for sure. |
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| 12:49.48 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: is it really going to storm ? |
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| 12:49.55 | thomas_adam | It is here. |
| 12:49.59 | FieldySnuts | hm. that font is actually considerably smaller than the default i was using |
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| 12:50.07 | FieldySnuts | is there a way i can explore more fonts |
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| 12:50.21 | FieldySnuts | oh wait no it isn't. sorry i'm tired |
| 12:50.26 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: xfontsel |
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| 12:50.49 | FieldySnuts | !be a font barbie |
| 12:50.50 | dpkg | Aww, font is hard! Let's go shopping, fieldysnuts |
| 12:50.54 | thomas_adam | xlsfonts, fc-list |
| 12:51.34 | FieldySnuts | sticking that string in .Xdefaults or .Xresources then doing the xrdb bit for either doesn't seem to be changing the font, did I do something wrong? |
| 12:51.35 | tarzeau | jethro, jharrison, abrotman we are 10 dragons the first time. soooo much fun |
| 12:51.51 | abrotman | i can't join! |
| 12:51.56 | abrotman | my isp is blocking! |
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| 12:52.11 | FieldySnuts | !be an xfontsel barbie |
| 12:52.12 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 12:52.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: the server is full, 10 dragons anyways :) |
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| 12:52.21 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 12:52.24 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: You'll have to provide the line you added. |
| 12:52.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: you don't like me anymore |
| 12:52.40 | FieldySnuts | xterm*font: -*-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-normal-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-* |
| 12:52.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes of course i do! |
| 12:52.50 | abrotman | !sheepsmite tarzeau |
| 12:52.56 | FieldySnuts | !prise abrotman |
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| 12:53.08 | abrotman | yay |
| 12:53.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've made screenshots, show you later |
| 12:53.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: ok |
| 12:53.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: two slots are freed, your isp shouldn't block you from playing bub-n-bros |
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| 12:54.03 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: xrdb -query | grep xterm -- is the font line listed? |
| 12:54.21 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: date $1 is <action> sets $1 and $randnick up on a blind date. Aww, aren't they a (lame|unlikely|smashing|incompatible|starstruck|lovely bunch)! |
| 12:54.22 | dpkg | okay, FieldySnuts |
| 12:54.25 | FieldySnuts | !date abrotman |
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| 12:54.30 | FieldySnuts | er. |
| 12:54.34 | FieldySnuts | yeah yeah i'll fix it |
| 12:54.37 | idnar | heh |
| 12:54.47 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: forget date $1 |
| 12:54.48 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: i didn't have anything called 'date $1' to forget |
| 12:54.51 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
| 12:54.53 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: heh |
| 12:54.54 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 12:55.08 | FieldySnuts | i can never get a hang of that. |
| 12:55.09 | musgl | is easy to make install, setup and run.. Samba ? |
| 12:55.20 | thomas_adam | musgl: Is like lovely long-time. |
| 12:55.24 | FieldySnuts | easy and samba are mutually exclusive |
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| 12:55.40 | FieldySnuts | thomas_adam: yes that line shows |
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| 12:56.22 | FieldySnuts | i don't even understand how to use xfontsel, too much work for a frickin font change |
| 12:56.26 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: I think it's "forget cmd: date (.*?)" but watch out becasue dpkg will ignore you if it thinks you're abusing forget |
| 12:56.26 | thomas_adam | now use "xlsfonts | grep ..." to see if it is listed there. |
| 12:56.27 | FieldySnuts | thanks for the help though |
| 12:56.58 | thomas_adam | Fonts are interesting. |
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| 12:57.07 | FieldySnuts | xlsfonts | grep "-*-lucidatypewriter-bold-*-normal-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" |
| 12:57.07 | FieldySnuts | grep: invalid option -- * |
| 12:57.10 | FieldySnuts | heh screw it i give up. thanks anyway |
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| 12:57.21 | thomas_adam | single quotes. |
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| 12:57.45 | kevin | ok, I have a general question, I have an IBM p1 133 laptop and it had Debian Sarge on it, which wireless card would do good on it? |
| 12:57.55 | thomas_adam | kevin: Anyone. |
| 12:58.02 | abrotman | kevin: 11b or 11g ? |
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| 12:58.12 | FieldySnuts | ack, what was my quit |
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| 12:58.24 | abrotman | FieldySnuts has quit ("Lost terminal") |
| 12:58.29 | FieldySnuts | that i did |
| 12:58.30 | kevin | abortman, thanx |
| 12:58.38 | abrotman | kevin: no .. 11b or 11g ? |
| 12:58.40 | abrotman | it's a question |
| 12:58.44 | abrotman | you're supposed to pick one |
| 12:58.44 | paulswm | kevin: you'll almost certainly need a 16 bit card on a box that old, not a 32-bit. |
| 12:58.52 | abrotman | paulswm: should be fine |
| 12:59.08 | remmy_ | my fstab reads proc, hda5, hdd, fd0 do i have to add a line to this to mount my c drive? |
| 12:59.09 | AlverGone | Hmmm - I sent some mails in my last setup with a bunch of UTF8 chars in em (japanese, hebrew, etc). Now that I've set my mails back, those chars aren't being displayed ('white boxes'). Is this related to the font or some setting I forgot? My $LANG is setup to be en_GB.UTF-8. |
| 12:59.16 | paulswm | abrotman: Like I said. 16 bit card, it won't run a 32 bit card almost certainly. |
| 12:59.22 | FieldySnuts | define "c drive" |
| 12:59.23 | kevin | than you |
| 12:59.26 | FieldySnuts | windowsism |
| 12:59.38 | abrotman | paulswm: i bet it does! |
| 12:59.38 | AlverGone | Oh, I'm using kmail, perhaps that can matter |
| 12:59.42 | remmy_ | fieldysnuts, windows partition |
| 12:59.47 | thomas_adam | AlverGone: Yeah -- it is a locale thing. |
| 12:59.49 | FieldySnuts | !lart remmy_ |
| 12:59.49 | abrotman | kevin: madwifi.sf.net or prism54.org |
| 12:59.52 | paulswm | abrotman: I have a p166 laptop which says differently. |
| 13:00.01 | AlverGone | thomas_adam: my utf8 named files show up fine though |
| 13:00.10 | abrotman | paulswm: i've used 32bit cards in laptops of the same age |
| 13:00.16 | paulswm | !singlishsmite abrotman |
| 13:00.18 | dpkg | abrotman: Why so goondu, you? |
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| 13:00.22 | pego | hi |
| 13:00.25 | kevin | thanx |
| 13:00.46 | pego | anyone know a goodtext editor mostly for edit php in graphic env ? |
| 13:00.52 | abrotman | !rms-smite paulswm |
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| 13:01.05 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:01.05 | liable | remmy_: is it ntfs ot fat? |
| 13:01.14 | remmy_ | liable, ntfs |
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| 13:01.32 | paulswm | abrotman: my experience is the opposite, but if you feel comfortable telling him that it will work without even checking on the laptop model or chipset, go right ahead. |
| 13:01.34 | foxbat3 | hello i'm trying to find out about system recovery tools in different distros |
| 13:01.36 | SyntaX12 | hallo @ll |
| 13:01.41 | liable | !tell remmy_ about ntfs rw |
| 13:01.45 | foxbat3 | what recovery tools does debian have |
| 13:01.52 | SyntaX12 | German? |
| 13:01.53 | liable | bah |
| 13:01.53 | foxbat3 | or recovery systems |
| 13:01.56 | abrotman | paulswm: i don't .. he should check himself .. i don' thtink they sell 16bit Wifi cards |
| 13:02.00 | liable | !tell remmy_ about vfat rw |
| 13:02.01 | foxbat3 | more precisley |
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| 13:02.16 | FieldySnuts | okay. say I want to use the font which I see named as "Luxi Sans" in openoffice in xterm. I tell it -font "Luxi Sans" and I get an error. |
| 13:02.25 | FieldySnuts | am i gonna need some 20 long cryptic string? |
| 13:02.26 | abrotman | DO NOT mount ntfs rw |
| 13:02.31 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Probably. |
| 13:02.32 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: Yes. |
| 13:02.33 | FieldySnuts | agreed, NEVER |
| 13:02.37 | liable | !tell remmy_ about vfatrw |
| 13:02.40 | FieldySnuts | okay, and how do i find out this cryptic string? |
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| 13:02.53 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: xlsfonts or xfontsel |
| 13:02.55 | Phated | FieldySnuts: It should be somewhere in xfontsel, hunt it down and modify it to your liking, then copy the string. |
| 13:03.01 | liable | abrotman: was just trying to get the factoid about mounting it, which says about that. |
| 13:03.22 | Thanatermesis | I have a repository, I need to include 4 subdirectories for my repo, how to set this in the sources.list in one only line ? |
| 13:03.30 | FieldySnuts | hm. see a ton of them, guess i'll just randomly pick some |
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| 13:03.39 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: There is a difference between X11-font names, and fonts by name. |
| 13:03.40 | Thanatermesis | deb http://localhost/packages/ efl misc elive ? |
| 13:03.44 | SyntaX12 | need German help chanel |
| 13:03.50 | FieldySnuts | thomas_adam: i'll say. |
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| 13:04.08 | caphuso | SyntaX12: #debian.de |
| 13:04.17 | SyntaX12 | thx |
| 13:04.36 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: You might also find 'xfd' of use. |
| 13:04.44 | FieldySnuts | heh okay that changed the font, it's just so wide spaced |
| 13:04.55 | FieldySnuts | okay lemme look |
| 13:05.20 | AlverGone | Anyone have a clue on this utf8 issue? My locales are set to utf8, but it doesn't render correctly in kmail. |
| 13:05.29 | thomas_adam | AlverGone: Which app? |
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| 13:06.28 | traumatik | hmm im trying to install flashplugin-nonfree on debian sarge.. but i get Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "flashplugin-nonfree" any tips? |
| 13:06.51 | AlverGone | thomas_adam: kmail. It doesn't render some chars alright. It used to work with my previous setup, but not now. |
| 13:06.59 | liable | traumatik: do you have non free in sources? |
| 13:07.19 | thomas_adam | Isn't that a package marillat distributes? |
| 13:07.38 | liable | dunno. |
| 13:07.42 | thomas_adam | AlverGone: Have you asked #kde ? |
| 13:07.59 | abrotman | flashplugin-nonfree - Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer |
| 13:08.03 | AlverGone | thomas_adam: not yet - might be that it was something more system-specific... I'll ask there. |
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| 13:08.11 | FieldySnuts | geez. this really is irritating, i'll stick with the default, shouldn't take me 20 minutes to find a damn font |
| 13:08.17 | FieldySnuts | !irritate font selection |
| 13:08.19 | dpkg | font selection: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses gnome thx |
| 13:08.25 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: hi |
| 13:08.25 | dpkg | hello, fieldysnuts |
| 13:08.26 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: It's really not hard. |
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| 13:08.47 | FieldySnuts | thomas_adam: when I need 9 different commands and I have to keep track of two types of names, it is. |
| 13:08.50 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 13:09.19 | pego | anyone know a good graphical text editor ? |
| 13:09.39 | Evil_Homer | gedit? |
| 13:09.46 | thomas_adam | pego: gvim. |
| 13:09.47 | traumatik | liable hmm no i don't :( |
| 13:10.13 | pego | thomas_adam, : is it good for edit php ? |
| 13:10.29 | thomas_adam | pego: Is that a question? |
| 13:10.36 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: for i in $(xlsfonts); do xfd -fn "$i"; done |
| 13:10.41 | pego | thomas_adam, yes |
| 13:10.44 | Evil_Homer | go with bluefish pego , it has great syntax highlighting |
| 13:10.50 | thomas_adam | pego: In my opinion it is. |
| 13:10.54 | thomas_adam | pego: YMMV, |
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| 13:11.44 | pego | Evil_Homer, i check that thx |
| 13:11.55 | Evil_Homer | no problem :) |
| 13:11.56 | pego | thomas_adam, ymmv it's a editor name ? |
| 13:12.03 | thomas_adam | !+ymmv |
| 13:12.03 | dpkg | it has been said that ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
| 13:12.14 | xiao | hi, is there anyone use experimental x.org under debian sid? |
| 13:12.20 | raf256 | help |
| 13:12.23 | raf256 | help \o/ |
| 13:12.25 | FieldySnuts | !xorg |
| 13:12.25 | dpkg | xorg is, like, X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 13:12.39 | FieldySnuts | didn't expect that long of a factoid my bad |
| 13:12.48 | raf256 | some m. fucking webladmin had send me email with fucked-up login confirmation links, any idea how to fix them? |
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| 13:13.05 | FieldySnuts | raf256: what the heck are you talking about, could you please rephrase? |
| 13:13.28 | raf256 | FieldySnuts: this is a bit off topic, but... some lame idiot send me wrongly encoded URL in email |
| 13:13.38 | FieldySnuts | have him fix it then |
| 13:13.43 | raf256 | (or thunderbird did fucked it up... yey its on topic) |
| 13:13.49 | raf256 | FieldySnuts: I wonder what was the URL |
| 13:13.56 | FieldySnuts | not your fault that he is clueless |
| 13:14.08 | raf256 | there is text "=3D" insteead od.. something |
| 13:14.21 | raf256 | what do =3D mean when email encoding is fuckedup? |
| 13:14.24 | raf256 | link looks like: |
| 13:14.24 | AlverGone | Oh, that's webmail crap :/ I've seen that before |
| 13:14.25 | FieldySnuts | it means have him fix it. |
| 13:14.35 | FieldySnuts | it also means we couldn't possibly know what he meant |
| 13:14.38 | raf256 | FieldySnuts: I emailed him yesterday and no fucking response |
| 13:14.43 | raf256 | AlverGone: any idea how to fix the link? |
| 13:14.46 | raf256 | teh link is: |
| 13:14.54 | FieldySnuts | dumbass. the CREATOR has to fix it, |
| 13:15.11 | raf256 | FieldySnuts: damn! how to read what the FREKING link was, despite it is broken! |
| 13:15.11 | AlverGone | raf256: it's been a long while, but I believe it's just a webmail newline char or so |
| 13:15.13 | FieldySnuts | !be a logic barbie |
| 13:15.15 | dpkg | Aww, logic is hard! Let's go shopping, fieldysnuts |
| 13:15.26 | raf256 | FieldySnuts: I ment how _I_ can _READ_ it |
| 13:15.29 | AlverGone | FieldySnuts; fixing something that you have no control over is kinda hard |
| 13:15.55 | raf256 | Aby uruchomi=E6 Twoje konto kliknij tutaj:=0D |
| 13:15.55 | raf256 | http://something.com/xxx.html?id=3D232929&c=3Df8d= |
| 13:15.55 | raf256 | 123=0D |
| 13:15.55 | raf256 | =0D |
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| 13:16.06 | FieldySnuts | read my last sentance. |
| 13:16.08 | raf256 | sorry for flood |
| 13:16.12 | raf256 | it supposed to be 1 line |
| 13:16.19 | raf256 | anyway did thae link get throught? |
| 13:16.30 | raf256 | AlverGone: what did that link ment? |
| 13:16.31 | FieldySnuts | i'm trying to get dpkg to forget the hire $1 command i taught it, what am I doing wrong here: forget CMD: date $1 (*.?) forget hire $1 does not work. |
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| 13:17.11 | raf256 | AlverGone: e.html?id=3D232929&c=3Df8d=123=0D=0D ... what can this be? |
| 13:17.24 | AlverGone | raf256: put it in your browser and mess around with it a bit |
| 13:17.35 | raf256 | hmmmm |
| 13:17.45 | AlverGone | I'd try removing the "3D" after each "=" and the "=0D" piecesz |
| 13:17.55 | AlverGone | though indeed, the sender deserves a severe beating ;) |
| 13:18.04 | raf256 | yes, stupid mother fucker |
| 13:18.08 | HeavenWarrior | guys i'm downloading fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src fglrx-control-qt3 fglrx-sources, so how to install them and run my ati's 3d support |
| 13:18.10 | raf256 | !smite fucking lame admin |
| 13:18.37 | PolarWolf | ^on public msg "!*" |
| 13:18.41 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: forget? |
| 13:18.42 | PolarWolf | Hm |
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| 13:19.23 | Thanatermesis | how to look my Model of screen ? |
| 13:19.33 | Phated | FieldySnuts: forget cmd: hire (.*?) |
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| 13:20.07 | FieldySnuts | <dpkg> i didn't have anything called 'CMD: date $1 (.*?)' to forget, FieldySnuts |
| 13:20.14 | FieldySnuts | i was told CMD was uppercase.. wrong? |
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| 13:20.37 | Phated | FieldySnuts: No difference. |
| 13:20.37 | FieldySnuts | okay the $1 was doing it |
| 13:21.10 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Indeed it was. |
| 13:21.31 | darxeth | how can i extract files from .rar archive in the terminal? |
| 13:21.39 | raf256 | AlverGone: lol I fixed it \o/ |
| 13:21.43 | paulswm | Should have listened to me in the first place "P |
| 13:21.43 | joel | darxeth: unrar |
| 13:21.48 | cmihai | unrar bla.rar, rar x bla.rar, but you need unrar, or at least unrar-free or rar. |
| 13:21.56 | raf256 | AlverGone: but I will find that lame ass admin, rip his leg, and bit teh shit out of him with it! |
| 13:22.05 | cmihai | unrar-free kind of sucks, since it doesn't know rar 3 or something. |
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| 13:22.23 | cmihai | raf256: I think you play too much mortal kombat quan-chi. |
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| 13:23.02 | HeavenWarrior | !fglrx |
| 13:23.03 | dpkg | i heard fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
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| 13:23.17 | HeavenWarrior | !firegl |
| 13:23.18 | dpkg | hmm... firegl is if firegl doesn't compile, fix the _KE_ERROR and _KE_DEBUG #defines in /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/firegl_public.h. it's a gcc v2.95 thing. |
| 13:23.28 | Agrajag- | anyone happen to know how to get process info, such as %cpu,%mem intermittently, like vmstat does (but for a single processes) |
| 13:23.28 | HeavenWarrior | !ati drivers |
| 13:23.29 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 13:23.52 | darxeth | cmihai do we have any other choices than unrar-free? i did apt-cache search unrar and it showed me only unrar-free |
| 13:24.05 | Agrajag- | what i'd like to do really is try to see how much cpu/mem a process is using over time, like apache2 (so i'd like to add up all the apache2 processes too) |
| 13:24.17 | cmihai | darxeth: of course, you can download it "by hand" at rarlabs' site, or you can try another repositry. |
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| 13:24.48 | FieldySnuts | !date Phated |
| 13:24.52 | cmihai | There's also packages around, www.google.com/linux filetype:deb |
| 13:24.57 | FieldySnuts | and the rest.... grr |
| 13:25.06 | Phated | They fucking well are not. |
| 13:25.09 | Phated | !fuck dpkg |
| 13:25.09 | FieldySnuts | hahahahaha |
| 13:25.12 | darxeth | cmihai i see, qua chi is one of the toughest fighters in mortal kombat though, but i play with Jarek ;> bleh |
| 13:25.18 | FieldySnuts | !date thomas_adam |
| 13:25.32 | cmihai | SubZero && Scorpion kick ass :) |
| 13:25.38 | FieldySnuts | fatality? |
| 13:25.39 | thomas_adam | Woooo. |
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| 13:27.12 | HeavenWarrior | how to check what kernel i run at moment |
| 13:27.18 | cmihai | uname -a |
| 13:27.24 | trc | i want to eliminate the '.doc' from some file names before processing them with antiword in a script, how do you use the strlen function? The machine tells me "bash: strlen: command not found" |
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| 13:28.13 | AlverGone | trc: mv $FILE `echo $FILE | sed 's/\.doc//'` or so? |
| 13:28.22 | AlverGone | Or am I misunderstanding you |
| 13:28.25 | js | AlverGone: debian has rename(1) |
| 13:28.31 | trc | hmm, sed, yeah, good |
| 13:28.33 | js | trc: there is no strlen in bash |
| 13:28.33 | caphuso | ${FILE%.doc} |
| 13:28.35 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: hire test |
| 13:28.46 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 13:28.54 | caphuso | no reason to spawn external commands if you can do it with bash alone |
| 13:28.58 | trc | thanks js and AlverGone |
| 13:29.06 | FieldySnuts | brb! |
| 13:29.17 | caphuso | and rename renames the actual file, that's even more stupid |
| 13:29.21 | AlverGone | caphuso: correct :) it was just one suggestion, I'm more used to sed |
| 13:29.24 | js | rename 's/\.doc$//' file |
| 13:30.06 | Thanatermesis | a minimalist micro-audio recorder please ? |
| 13:30.12 | caphuso | Thanatermesis: rec |
| 13:30.25 | Thanatermesis | hummm.. |
| 13:30.26 | Thanatermesis | thanks |
| 13:30.42 | migma | anyone who knows how to clear the history in totem player? |
| 13:30.55 | cmihai | migma: got some pr0n you don't want someone else to see ? |
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| 13:31.11 | cmihai | rm /home/.totem ?! |
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| 13:31.25 | cmihai | Or "Action - Documents - Clear recent documents" if you use Gnome :) |
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| 13:33.47 | pego | every time i want install a graphical package it want me to get gnome ... no way to avoid that N |
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| 13:34.36 | Langly1 | whats the correct apt-get for open office, i got "Package openoffice has no avalible version, but exist in the database" blah blah blah " E: package openoffice has no installation canidate" |
| 13:34.44 | js | pego: not if it depends on libraries from gnome |
| 13:35.01 | jethro | Langly1: use apt-cache search to know. |
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| 13:36.01 | MichaelSaunders | anyone running virtual mode linux |
| 13:36.02 | KimI | How is sid literally unstable? |
| 13:36.06 | Langly1 | i see 6.41b-1 |
| 13:36.09 | migma | hi, anyone who has an idea on how to clear the history for totem? |
| 13:36.23 | Langly1 | without openoffice tagged to it with apt-cache showpkg openoffice |
| 13:36.29 | cmihai | magnetic: I just told you. Two variants. |
| 13:36.29 | liable | even apt-cache borks with open-offics iirc |
| 13:36.54 | cmihai | Not you, I mean migma. |
| 13:37.00 | liable | Langly1: openoffice.org |
| 13:37.00 | Langly1 | whats the right command then as "apt-get install openoffice" doesnt work |
| 13:37.05 | pego | js: k ty |
| 13:37.05 | magnetic | :) |
| 13:37.12 | migma | cmeme, sorry I got disconnected awhile ago |
| 13:37.21 | Langly1 | same error with open office.org |
| 13:37.23 | migma | cmihai, ^ |
| 13:37.27 | Langly1 | openoffice |
| 13:37.55 | cmihai | migma: so rm /home/.totem or whatever, or if you use Gnome, it's easy: Action -> Documents -> Clear recent documents. That way, people won't see what pr0n you've seen recently ;) |
| 13:38.06 | liable | Langly1: read what I wrote |
| 13:38.11 | migma | cmihai, thanks :)) |
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| 13:39.33 | Langly1 | will openoffice work with fluxbox as the wm, and no desktop enviroment |
| 13:39.54 | AlverGone | Yes |
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| 13:40.15 | cmihai | Langly1: of course. It only needs X. |
| 13:40.29 | cmihai | Hell, you can start X&OpenOffice, and _just_ that. |
| 13:40.30 | jethro | !lart Langly1 |
| 13:41.07 | Langly1 | thing is i need to use apt-get I cant do a compile, or glic setup, this isnt on a pure debian system, on a damnsmalllinux system, although the correct syntax for the apt-get would remain the same, damnsmall doenst have a /usr/src path |
| 13:41.19 | liable | hand |
| 13:41.20 | Langly1 | so i cant compile certain things and such |
| 13:41.25 | jethro | !lart Langly1 |
| 13:41.36 | Langly1 | :P |
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| 13:42.15 | liable | @annoy jethro |
| 13:42.16 | ravenbird | jethro: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 13:42.19 | liable | :D |
| 13:42.21 | jethro | :) |
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| 13:43.21 | paulswm | Langly1: So what you're saying is that you aren't running a debian system at all, and yet you seek help in #debian despite this fact. |
| 13:43.45 | paulswm | !irritate liable |
| 13:43.47 | dpkg | liable: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh edonkey kthx |
| 13:44.15 | Langly1 | ive got debian on another system, and Damnsmall uses a unmodified apt-get system, and i didnt ask about debian i asked about apt-get |
| 13:44.17 | Langly1 | asshat |
| 13:44.35 | liable | paulswm: I would aussiesmite ya, but dont want to get accused of botabuse :P |
| 13:44.51 | Langly1 | the apt-get on it is unmodified, so the right package name wouldnt change, and thats all i asked, so backoff jack |
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| 13:45.01 | Blues-Man | hello |
| 13:45.01 | paulswm | Langly1: Why the gratuitous insult? I merely stated a fact. |
| 13:45.05 | jethro | !aolify Langly1 |
| 13:45.15 | paulswm | What a twat. |
| 13:45.20 | Langly1 | paulswm sorry, just a little short |
| 13:45.24 | tarzeau | liable: hehe was great, wasn't it? |
| 13:45.45 | liable | Langly1: ffs its openoffice.org, if that doesnt work then its *not* a standard apt-get |
| 13:45.54 | Langly1 | I ask a yes or no question about ndiswrapper somehwere else earlier and just get told to buy a proper wifi card and shit |
| 13:46.00 | liable | tarzeau: bleh, if I could work it out :P |
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| 13:46.05 | Langly1 | and then insulted for not being able to buy a proper card |
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| 13:46.12 | jethro | Langly1: we don't care, really |
| 13:46.20 | cmihai | Langly1: welcome to #debian. :) |
| 13:46.34 | Langly1 | fuck you jethro <paulswm> Langly1: Why the gratuitous insult? I merely stated a fact. - i was asked why |
| 13:47.11 | jethro | I won't ask why. |
| 13:47.12 | Langly1 | so when im answering someone else who asked, I dont give a fuck if you dont care, im getting sick of peoples irrelevant opinions |
| 13:47.19 | paulswm | Langly1: it's not apt-get, it's in the package install script that /usr/src is referenced, so maybe you can create a symbolic link. |
| 13:47.29 | jethro | Langly1: don't come up with irrelevant questions in the first place. |
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| 13:47.52 | migma | lol |
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| 13:47.59 | Blues-Man | I have a cell phone that I use like a modem to connect in internet but I cannot make the right device for it (/dev/ttyACM0) in auto. I have all modules(uhci,cdc_acm) but can't have ttyACM0 ; Do I need some utility to make devs?tnx |
| 13:48.15 | liable | Langly1: apt-get install openoffice.org works on a debian box. so, go figure. |
| 13:48.36 | DimmuR | Hi I'm instaling fglrx and i have 1 question - should i have agpgart and ati-agp as module and loaded on boot or not? |
| 13:49.14 | Langly1 | hmm liable, thx could be i need to update the system, just got the nic working heh |
| 13:50.06 | Langly1 | id forgotten I hadnt done that |
| 13:50.12 | Ares | DimmuR : I'm not 100% but yes, I think you should have those loaded on boot. |
| 13:50.33 | Ares | but maybe that's no help. |
| 13:50.36 | liable | fuck it |
| 13:50.43 | liable | !aussismite paulswm |
| 13:50.54 | liable | oh no |
| 13:50.59 | jethro | @aussiesmite liable |
| 13:50.59 | ravenbird | liable: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
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| 13:51.59 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 13:52.01 | liable | :P its funny, cause its kinda correct! |
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| 13:52.48 | Langly1 | hmm tarball should work it seems, thx liable |
| 13:52.51 | freewoody | Is there a problem with Squid in Sarge |
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| 13:53.43 | freewoody | My Squid Proxy box is not working. I can ping to websites but the web pages don't open giving a Connection timeout error |
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| 13:54.16 | AlverGone | Sounds more of a configuration error than a 'problem with $app in sarge' |
| 13:54.32 | paulswm | Indeed. |
| 13:54.44 | freewoody | When everything was working fine for 58 days till today |
| 13:54.53 | freewoody | I mean Squid was working till today |
| 13:54.59 | cmihai | This whole "only one apt" |
| 13:55.04 | cmihai | allowed pisses me off. |
| 13:55.07 | migma | how can i find out the device name of my usb cf card reader? |
| 13:55.12 | Evil_Homer | did you update or anything? |
| 13:55.19 | paulswm | freewoody: so exactly what changed between worky and not worky? |
| 13:55.24 | liable | freewoody: well, what did ya do? |
| 13:55.29 | cmihai | migma: "dmesg" when you add a card. Prolly something like sda1 |
| 13:55.32 | freewoody | WEll I did not change anything that I know off |
| 13:55.50 | Evil_Homer | did you reboot or something freewoody ? |
| 13:56.14 | liable | hmmm, that you know of!!!!!!! OMFG HAXORS!!! :P |
| 13:56.23 | abrotman | !moo |
| 13:56.24 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 13:56.29 | freewoody | Yes I did reboot my Squid box |
| 13:56.41 | bluefox83 | anyone else having problem supdating from nerim? |
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| 13:56.50 | bluefox83 | *problems updating |
| 13:57.09 | Evil_Homer | so it probably has an updated squid, and it doesn't work wit your old config |
| 13:57.10 | freewoody | I don't understand why I can ping ftp.debian.org but I can't "apt-get update" |
| 13:57.28 | freewoody | I get "Connection timed out" |
| 13:57.32 | abrotman | freewoody: just because the host is answering ping .. doesn't mean http or ftp is there |
| 13:57.44 | abrotman | you know .. they are different services :) |
| 13:57.47 | liable | freewoody: try the address in a browser |
| 13:58.02 | abrotman | or ftp client |
| 13:58.06 | bluefox83 | 72% [Connecting to ftp.nerim.net (62.4.17.14)] <---see! |
| 13:58.07 | abrotman | depending on the source line |
| 13:58.16 | AlverGone | or just telnet |
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| 13:59.04 | freewoody | Well I am getting Errors while using "apt-get update" |
| 13:59.07 | abrotman | AlverGone: i don't know the FTP protocol well enough to do it over telnet :) |
| 13:59.21 | abrotman | freewoody: what is the source line ? |
| 13:59.40 | migma | cmihai, thanks, it appears that the CF card has a fat16 filesystem, what "type" should I put in the fstab? |
| 13:59.50 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 13:59.51 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 13:59.52 | cmihai | man mount |
| 14:00.15 | freewoody | It's "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib" |
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| 14:00.42 | migma | oh yeah |
| 14:00.45 | migma | thanks |
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| 14:01.06 | abrotman | freewoody: works just fine here .. but regardless |
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| 14:01.31 | abrotman | freewoody: telnet security.debian.org 80 |
| 14:01.34 | abrotman | freewoody: get / |
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| 14:02.51 | liable | hmm, doesnt work here. |
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| 14:02.56 | abrotman | liable: works here |
| 14:03.19 | abrotman | liable: you mean you can't connect? |
| 14:03.28 | abrotman | you should get a 302 page |
| 14:03.36 | liable | 404 |
| 14:03.36 | cmihai | msdos, vfat, whatever. |
| 14:03.36 | cmihai | You could probably format it fat32 if it really is fat16... |
| 14:03.36 | cmihai | It's ..better. |
| 14:03.38 | dorijan | does grub in sarge have problems with reiserfs on raid controllers ? i used grub-install /dev/sda2 (my linux partition) and it destroyed the reiserfs |
| 14:03.46 | abrotman | The document has moved <A HREF="http://www.debian.org/">here</A>.<P> |
| 14:03.51 | liable | freewoody: where are you? |
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| 14:04.14 | abrotman | !doh |
| 14:04.15 | dpkg | somebody said doh was what homer simpson says when sid crashes |
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| 14:04.34 | Langly1 | Damn I am braindead today |
| 14:04.40 | Ballantin | hi |
| 14:05.22 | r0ver | Hello i've a small problem with gnome in sid. I'm running gnome and it has 9 nautilus sessions by default consuming 5% of memory each or that says TOP at least |
| 14:05.27 | r0ver | any suggestion ? |
| 14:05.34 | Ballantin | when i try to do apt-get i'm stucked at Waiting for Headers 0% |
| 14:05.37 | abrotman | r0ver: sounds normal to me |
| 14:05.50 | Langly1 | I download OOo_1.1.4_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz to this system to set up on the laptop, but whem i smb in to get it to the laptop i get openoffice.tar.gz which i downloaded a month ago and forgot about thinking its the file i downloaded before |
| 14:06.05 | Langly1 | untar it, and then dont have the right dir's as the guide said i should have |
| 14:06.10 | Langly1 | then realize my mistake |
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| 14:06.12 | abrotman | r0ver: did you try logging out/in ? |
| 14:06.14 | stresscool_ | hi |
| 14:06.16 | liable | freewoody: try another server |
| 14:06.23 | Langly1 | then realize the one i did use was one made just for damn small linux |
| 14:06.24 | r0ver | abrotman: yes a couple of times |
| 14:06.25 | abrotman | liable: he can't .. it's security |
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| 14:06.28 | Langly1 | Doh! |
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| 14:06.38 | liable | awww |
| 14:06.39 | stresscool_ | can i install woody from netinstall ? |
| 14:06.44 | Langly1 | I did the right thing by doing a wrong thing all the way |
| 14:06.45 | abrotman | stresscool_: yes |
| 14:06.48 | Langly1 | works now :P |
| 14:06.53 | abrotman | stresscool_: but sarge is stable now |
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| 14:07.09 | abrotman | r0ver: no change ? |
| 14:07.11 | r0ver | abrotman: isn't to much 9 sessions by default ? i mean i just have a console running, four desktops. And anything else |
| 14:07.13 | abrotman | r0ver: rebooted also ? |
| 14:07.15 | r0ver | abrotman: nop |
| 14:07.15 | stresscool_ | i need woody cause i'd like to install pimengest2 |
| 14:07.21 | r0ver | abrotman: yea |
| 14:07.23 | abrotman | r0ver: wonder if they're stale |
| 14:07.28 | abrotman | r0ver: hrm .. |
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| 14:07.38 | r0ver | abrotman: i tried killing them... but still |
| 14:07.42 | stresscool_ | how can i install woody ? |
| 14:07.48 | abrotman | !bf |
| 14:07.49 | dpkg | woody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 14:07.52 | r0ver | abrotman: the refuse to die :) |
| 14:07.55 | daesotho | who wants woody? |
| 14:07.57 | abrotman | stresscool_: or get the first ISO |
| 14:08.00 | stresscool_ | me |
| 14:08.01 | r0ver | (they) |
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| 14:08.05 | abrotman | r0ver: yes .. they won't die |
| 14:08.15 | abrotman | or they respawn |
| 14:08.28 | abrotman | stresscool_: are floppies ok ? |
| 14:08.37 | stresscool_ | i've a cd |
| 14:08.53 | r0ver | abrotman: i saw some strange behaviour saving the current desktop when i close gnome... i guess there are something wrong there |
| 14:09.15 | stresscool_ | but a sarge one |
| 14:09.27 | Ballantin | any idea to fix Waiting for Headers 0% problem on apt-get? thanks. |
| 14:09.34 | abrotman | stresscool_: no more blanks ? |
| 14:09.42 | abrotman | Ballantin: which source? |
| 14:09.58 | Ballantin | im trying debian sarge |
| 14:10.03 | Ballantin | with the official sources |
| 14:10.19 | abrotman | whihc source line ? |
| 14:10.48 | Ballantin | deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 14:11.11 | AlverGone | that's not sarge |
| 14:11.45 | r0ver | abrotman: or i don't know what's going on, my desktop is consuming to much memory... |
| 14:11.45 | abrotman | stresscool_: you know how to use jigdo ? |
| 14:11.47 | Ballantin | O_O |
| 14:12.05 | AlverGone | Ballantin: sarge is stable, etch is testing |
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| 14:12.15 | Ballantin | well, i'm using sarge, with kernel 2.6.8 |
| 14:12.20 | abrotman | r0ver: 5% doesn't seem that much |
| 14:12.40 | stresscool_ | abrotman, no i don't know |
| 14:12.49 | Ballantin | maybe sarge was unestable when i installed it? |
| 14:12.55 | abrocadabro | Ballantin: could you browse to that page with mozilla? |
| 14:13.06 | abrotman | stresscool_: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/debian-cd/oldimages/3.0_r5/i386/ |
| 14:13.22 | Ballantin | yup |
| 14:13.23 | Ballantin | i can |
| 14:13.24 | stresscool_ | many thanks |
| 14:13.35 | abrotman | stresscool_: or find a french mirror |
| 14:13.37 | defcon8 | seen as debian doesnt have the 2.6 kernel. is it ok to get the sources myself and install myself? |
| 14:13.41 | bluefox83 | r0ver, well sometimes your desktop gets cravings too... |
| 14:13.43 | abrotman | r0ver: mine is using 36MB |
| 14:13.53 | AlverGone | defcon8: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 14:13.53 | abrotman | stresscool_: from this page http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 14:13.54 | abrocadabro | Ballantin: it's wierd, it gets stuck here |
| 14:14.00 | defcon8 | AlverGone, oh thanks |
| 14:14.01 | abrotman | defcon8: yes it does |
| 14:14.05 | AlverGone | defcon8: but you can if you want |
| 14:14.06 | abrotman | defcon8: are you on woody ? |
| 14:14.08 | defcon8 | will it uninstall the current kernel? |
| 14:14.10 | Ballantin | hmm i see |
| 14:14.11 | defcon8 | naah im on testiing |
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| 14:14.20 | AlverGone | I'm running 2.6.12.1 from vanilla sources so that should work anyway |
| 14:14.23 | r0ver | abrotman: i don't know exactly but after starting X i lost like 100mb |
| 14:14.31 | abrotman | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-<arch> |
| 14:14.42 | Langly1 | well ive got openoffice working even though i bumbled thru it more than a drunk homor simpsoon |
| 14:14.43 | abrotman | r0ver: yes .. X is a hog :) |
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| 14:14.55 | abrotman | Langly1: apt-get install openoffice ? |
| 14:15.01 | Langly1 | nope |
| 14:15.10 | abrotman | openoffice is in debian |
| 14:15.12 | cmihai_ | Know of any good video editing application for Linux? Kino is crap. |
| 14:15.13 | Langly1 | I already said above about my bumbings with the wrong tarbals |
| 14:15.36 | abrotman | cmihai_: iirc .. big gripe about linux |
| 14:15.41 | Ballantin | thanks a lot abrocadabro |
| 14:16.04 | abrocadabro | Ballantin: what happened exactly> |
| 14:16.06 | abrotman | cmihai_: apt-cache search edit video |
| 14:16.22 | freewoody | liable, sorry for the delay |
| 14:16.22 | cmihai_ | abrotman: DOne all that. |
| 14:16.26 | liable | cmihai_: check out doom9.org, not much for linux but.... |
| 14:16.27 | abrotman | bah .. time to fucking go riding .. where is that fuckhead |
| 14:16.33 | freewoody | Can you provide me with some other sources |
| 14:16.34 | abrotman | cmihai_: i see two other apss |
| 14:16.35 | abrotman | err aps |
| 14:16.39 | abrotman | freewoody: apt-setup |
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| 14:17.00 | abrotman | freewoody: but there's only one for security .. but if you're running sarge .. don't worry about it .. there are currently no updates since release |
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| 14:17.12 | peaceman | Question: My Debian won't boot anymore after upgrading to sarge. what's next? |
| 14:17.19 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 14:17.19 | apt | India will get its ass kicked by Pakistan! |
| 14:17.23 | abrotman | why won't it boot ? |
| 14:17.23 | Ballantin | abrocadabro, i need to add new lines to my source.list i think |
| 14:17.28 | Ballantin | im doing it now |
| 14:17.30 | AlverGone | peaceman: define "won't boot" |
| 14:17.37 | freewoody | apt-get can't do ftp.au.debian.org |
| 14:17.42 | freewoody | either |
| 14:17.46 | kilaker | peaceman please giva a proper question |
| 14:17.48 | peaceman | it hans after bios with "LI_" |
| 14:17.49 | abrotman | maybe your dns is messed ? |
| 14:17.54 | peaceman | it just hangs |
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| 14:17.59 | abrotman | hangs where ? |
| 14:18.00 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 14:18.01 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 14:18.05 | abrotman | FFS .. help us help you |
| 14:18.10 | kilaker | peaceman : LILO ? |
| 14:18.18 | liable | freewoody: theres been some internet funkyness today, couple people have commented on it. |
| 14:18.30 | liable | !LI |
| 14:18.31 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 14:18.35 | abrotman | freewoody: wait a day or two .. if the problem persists .. change your sources |
| 14:18.37 | peaceman | kilaker: probably it messed with the LILO settings |
| 14:18.54 | FieldySnuts | !date apt |
| 14:18.59 | peaceman | my disk is a 18 GB Raid |
| 14:19.11 | abrotman | hardware or software ? |
| 14:19.21 | peaceman | hardware |
| 14:19.26 | FieldySnuts | 100% hardware? |
| 14:19.27 | r0ver | abrotman: killling mlnet helps... but i'll see what's going on... thank you anyways... |
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| 14:19.34 | peaceman | IBM ServerRaidII |
| 14:19.40 | FieldySnuts | 100% hardware? that doesn't help me |
| 14:19.45 | peaceman | FieldySnuts: yup |
| 14:19.54 | FieldySnuts | well see the LI info above, start there |
| 14:20.08 | kilaker | peaceman : i suggest either remaking the boot section with lilo boot disk or reinstalling sarge with GRUB which i prefer. |
| 14:20.11 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: that card is a .. uhm .. megaraid .. no .. uhm .. i<something> |
| 14:20.15 | pego | anyone knwo a simple graphical text editor that enlight php ? |
| 14:20.22 | abrotman | pego: anjuta |
| 14:20.27 | asg | pego: vim in a gnome-terminal? |
| 14:20.32 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 14:20.37 | asg | abrotman: morning |
| 14:20.46 | peaceman | i thought about installing GRUB, but i didn't do that befor |
| 14:21.01 | abrotman | peaceman: hey .. if it works .. why not :) |
| 14:21.02 | peaceman | ist there a floppy image that i can download somewhere? |
| 14:21.03 | asg | abrotman: must be from your neck of the woods then |
| 14:21.04 | pego | thw |
| 14:21.06 | pego | thx |
| 14:21.08 | AlverGone | pego: in kde, kate |
| 14:21.12 | abrotman | asg: it is .. mid atlantic/FL thing |
| 14:21.19 | pego | not gnome, not kde :/ |
| 14:21.28 | abrotman | then vi |
| 14:21.32 | abrotman | or vim |
| 14:21.34 | asg | abrotman: thought Don was in Cali or the North West? |
| 14:21.39 | abrotman | it's either anjuta or kate afaik |
| 14:21.45 | abrotman | asg: he is .. i edited it :) |
| 14:21.49 | asg | hah |
| 14:22.06 | abrotman | !literal cmd: beer (.*?) |
| 14:22.07 | dpkg | CMD: beer (.*?) is ($1): <action> (blesses $1 with a Yuengling Lager|cracks open a can of Boddingtons for $1|pours a thick, black pint of Guinness for $1, to be sure|deftly decants a fine La Maudite for $1) |
| 14:22.24 | abrotman | asg: not that any of those are really .. cali beers |
| 14:22.30 | kilaker | peaceman : yes you can, you can also make one trough terminal but i don't know the commands for LILO, for grub it's a script callen grub-floppy /grub-disk |
| 14:22.31 | tosh | anyone running sendmail who can help me out with my virtualdomains problem? |
| 14:22.34 | asg | abrotman: true |
| 14:22.41 | asg | tosh: #sendmail can I'm sure |
| 14:22.50 | AlverGone | Why isn't there any decent belgian abbey beer in there either :) |
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| 14:23.03 | cmihai_ | Looks like finally Erlang and Wings3D made it into Debian... |
| 14:23.05 | peaceman | kilaker: i'll try that on another machine... |
| 14:23.09 | abrotman | asg: resiak |
| 14:23.14 | abrotman | asg: resiak's bot has more beer |
| 14:23.21 | asg | abrotman: which one is resiak's? |
| 14:23.27 | abrotman | asg: in another channel; |
| 14:23.28 | tosh | asg #sendmail is idle-ville |
| 14:23.29 | kilaker | peaceman : sounds smart |
| 14:23.42 | asg | tosh: then ask a specific question and perhaps someone here can help. |
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| 14:23.50 | tosh | I want to add a virtualdomain to our sendmail configuration, so I added the domain to the virtdomains file, added an entry to the mailertable and did a "make" in /etc/mail but when I mail to an address of that domain, I still get a mailback saying "Domain invalid" |
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| 14:24.13 | peaceman | kilaker: but now that i think about it, i don't have any *running* machine with debian *and* a floppy :( |
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| 14:24.25 | abrotman | asg: cmd: beer (.*?) is ($1): <action> pours $1 a draught glass of (Guinness|Bass|Yuengling Lager|Boddington's|Hoegaarden|Anchor|Tiger|<addyourownandstopbitching>) |
| 14:24.27 | Finalhazard | Hey again. |
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| 14:24.38 | asg | abrotman: :) |
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| 14:24.41 | asg | !tell aurax about root |
| 14:24.41 | sarek | hi |
| 14:24.45 | kilaker | peaceman : what OS are you on now then ? |
| 14:24.50 | Finalhazard | I tried #knoppix, but there's absolutely no answers... |
| 14:25.00 | cmihai | The repositries seem to be quite empty when it comes to graphics (CAD, 3D graphics, video editing, etc)... |
| 14:25.09 | peaceman | kilaker: my backup win$ |
| 14:25.11 | Finalhazard | Nobody there says anything. It's like the channel is dead in the water... |
| 14:25.12 | migma | how do I edit what starts up automatically in runlevel X |
| 14:25.23 | asg | migma: update-rc.d, rcconf |
| 14:25.38 | kilaker | peaceman : Iäll search into it for you. |
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| 14:25.45 | peaceman | kilaker: thankx |
| 14:25.55 | Finalhazard | Does anyone know why they won't answer over in #knoppix? |
| 14:26.11 | buerste | http://rafb.net/paste/results/UMcMt866.html <--- could someone please have a look at this and tell me why i dont have any signal on my tv? |
| 14:26.12 | asg | Finalhazard: maybe they don't know the answer |
| 14:26.16 | paulswm | Becuase they Don't Know, maybe. |
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| 14:26.28 | Finalhazard | Oh. |
| 14:26.34 | abrotman | Finalhazard: why are you using knoppix? |
| 14:26.44 | sarek | I just noticed that - after the recent upgrade I did in sid - udev does not create any devicenodes /dev/video* which causes the bttv module fail to load (bttv0: Can't enable device.) Can anyone tell me why this is so and how I can fix that? |
| 14:27.03 | liable | Finalhazard: asleep? small user community? install debian :P |
| 14:27.24 | sarek | same problem with the nvidia device nodes but this can be fixed by manually loading the nvidia module via /etc/modules |
| 14:27.27 | Finalhazard | Well, Knoppix is a LiveCD, and my stupid mom made it so that Windoze wouldn't work on my PC anymore. |
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| 14:27.50 | Finalhazard | So I needed a good OS that could run and install from a CD. Knoppix seemed like the answer. |
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| 14:28.46 | abrotman | Finalhazard: why not just install debian ? |
| 14:28.56 | Finalhazard | Where can I get Debian? If I can get it from here, that'd be ok, I guess... |
| 14:29.01 | abrotman | !d-i Finalhazard |
| 14:29.02 | dpkg | Finalhazard, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 14:29.29 | insomniaccowboy | hi all. Where is the gnome startup sound?In which directory? |
| 14:29.32 | Finalhazard | Much thanks. |
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| 14:30.51 | abrocadabro | sarek: did the udev package actually run? dpkg -i udev_package see what happens |
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| 14:31.40 | kilaker | peaceman : I can't find anything more than you can create a LILO boot disk under windows ;) |
| 14:32.12 | peaceman | kilaker: that must do it then |
| 14:32.21 | kilaker | peaceman : try boot with sare CD or live disk and check it out |
| 14:32.30 | kilaker | sarge* |
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| 14:33.07 | peaceman | kilaker: i downloaded the netinstall-cd, but i didn't found grub |
| 14:33.21 | sarek | abrocadabro: I had udev installed before and it used to work quite well - just after one of the last upgrades something changed (X refused to start as /dev/nvidia was missing - which I fixed by manually loading the module in /etc/modules) and bttv complains about missing /dev/video0 |
| 14:33.26 | ExitMenu | hello, I am trying to set up a laptop with a user freindly non windows os could anyone tell me if debian is the answer or should I try other distros ? |
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| 14:34.07 | Finalhazard | Now, hold on a second. How many CDs will I need for Debian? If it's more than 10, forget it... Because The site has 12 or 13 isos for Debian... |
| 14:34.19 | AlverGone | Finalhazard: use a network install cd |
| 14:34.32 | Finalhazard | Oh. |
| 14:34.32 | bluefox83 | Finalhazard, just 1 |
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| 14:34.43 | paulswm | !tell Finalhazard about d-i |
| 14:34.44 | abrotman | Finalhazard: netinst if you have broadband |
| 14:34.49 | Finalhazard | Ok, I guess that'll work, sorry to bug ya then. |
| 14:35.11 | kilaker | peaceman : "standard" installation of net_install disk ends up with GRUB |
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| 14:35.33 | dhuv | hello all |
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| 14:36.03 | abrocadabro | sarek: a while ago some person from here could not get his mouse to work after a upgrade from woody to sarge, the problem was that even the udev package was not setup properly, he got it fixed by installing udev manully, you might find this helpful |
| 14:36.05 | dhuv | i am have the wireless extensions patch from http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html |
| 14:36.08 | peaceman | kilaker: but i don't want to overwrite my system if i don't have to ... some SVN repositories i don't like to loose |
| 14:36.23 | kennM | I have a question about apt-get with sarge: I've been running sarge for a year .. now that it's officially released, what changes to I need to make to my sources.lst ? It currently says deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 14:36.24 | kennM | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 14:36.24 | kennM | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 14:36.34 | abrotman | and ? |
| 14:36.46 | abrotman | kennM: do you want sarge or testing ? |
| 14:36.46 | dhuv | i am trying to patch the 2.6.12 kernel |
| 14:37.13 | sarek | abrocadabro: ah, ic, i'll try to reinstall it manually then |
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| 14:37.27 | kennM | abrotman, I want to continue to run sarge ... but I'm afraid my apt sources list is now pointing to the wrong place. |
| 14:37.42 | abrotman | kennM: they are |
| 14:37.52 | abrotman | kennM: where it says .. testing .. make it say sarge |
| 14:37.56 | abrotman | s/testing/sarge/g |
| 14:38.01 | liable | kennM: have you dist-upgraded lately? |
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| 14:38.05 | kennM | that's all? that's so easy even I can do it? |
| 14:38.09 | abrocadabro | buerste: correct me if I am wrong, do you really have to configure xfreeconfig file to get bttv to work? |
| 14:38.15 | djace | how can I get an installed package list without truncating the package name? (as in dpkg -l, which shows only the first 14 chars) |
| 14:38.18 | abrotman | kennM: but have you updated in the last .. two weeks or so ? |
| 14:38.32 | asg | djace: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 14:38.43 | kennM | liable, not explicitly .. i've run dselect to install new stuff and been informed of new upgrades, though ... |
| 14:38.45 | djace | ah, nice :) |
| 14:39.08 | djace | didn't think of that :P |
| 14:39.09 | sarek | abrocadabro: no, he wants a twin-setup |
| 14:39.11 | abrotman | kennM: you may be too late .. |
| 14:39.16 | liable | kennM: have run update though? |
| 14:39.30 | abrotman | liable: dselect does when you run it iirc |
| 14:39.35 | liable | oh |
| 14:39.37 | buerste | abrocadabro, no, i just want my tv as 2nd screen |
| 14:39.40 | sarek | buerste: I could send you my config and you could figure out the differences yourself ;-) |
| 14:39.40 | paulswm | dhuv: you don't need to do that, there is a debian package for wireless called wireless-tools |
| 14:39.53 | sarek | buerste: works fine here |
| 14:40.04 | buerste | sarek, okay. i created it using a howto for xorg, maybe there are some differences |
| 14:40.07 | abrocadabro | oh, ic |
| 14:40.09 | AlverGone | buerste: sorry for jumping in - what are you trying to do? |
| 14:40.25 | buerste | AlverGone, using 2 screens with XFree86 |
| 14:40.26 | AlverGone | I've got my tv working as :0.1 |
| 14:40.37 | AlverGone | on an nvidia card, over svideo |
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| 14:41.00 | kennM | abrotman, if i just make the changes you suggested to my sources list and run dselect, will I be okay? |
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| 14:41.10 | buerste | sarek, thx :) |
| 14:41.21 | sarek | jep good luck |
| 14:41.26 | abrotman | kennM: i'm not sure ... |
| 14:41.38 | buerste | hm one question, where does xchat save these files? ;) |
| 14:41.50 | kennM | abrotman, is there a better plan? |
| 14:41.53 | buerste | got it |
| 14:42.00 | abrotman | kennM: moment .. i might be able to tell you |
| 14:42.07 | sarek | buerste: in ~/.xchat2/downloads if you still habe the default |
| 14:42.18 | kennM | abrotman, thanks .... |
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| 14:42.38 | abrotman | kennM: apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386 |
| 14:42.53 | abrotman | kennM: show you anything ? |
| 14:43.03 | dhuv | paulswm: wireless tools and wireless extensions are different |
| 14:44.48 | abrotman | kennM: ? |
| 14:45.23 | tosh | I want to add a virtualdomain to our sendmail configuration, so I added the domain to the virtdomains file, added an entry to the mailertable and did a "make" in /etc/mail but when I mail to an address of that domain, I still get a mailback saying "Domain invalid" |
| 14:45.46 | dhuv | paulswm: when I use iwspy it sasys tha the driver is compiled with version 15 when it needs version 18 |
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| 14:46.15 | abrotman | where did kennM go |
| 14:46.23 | kennM | abrotman, yeah, it did SOMETHING ... but i'm not sure what to look for ther e... |
| 14:46.37 | paulswm | dhuv: OK, well good luck. |
| 14:46.37 | buerste | damn i changed everything and forgot to su before |
| 14:46.37 | abrotman | kennM: it either says package not found .. or spits out stuff .. which did it do ? |
| 14:46.38 | buerste | ... |
| 14:46.55 | kennM | abrotman, it spit out a bunch of stuff |
| 14:47.05 | abrotman | kennM: you're too late to run purely sarge |
| 14:47.12 | asg | tosh: http://www.sendmail.org/virtual-hosting.html (have you already check this) |
| 14:47.18 | abrotman | kennM: you can either track etch .. or risk running sarge iwth some etch packages |
| 14:47.28 | dhuv | i wanted to know how to patch a fresh kernel with the wireless extension 19 patch |
| 14:47.34 | dhuv | does anybody know |
| 14:47.48 | abrotman | kennM: or find every package you have from etch .. and install the sarge version |
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| 14:48.19 | kennM | abrotman, i guess i'm lost ... i'm gonna need to go google etch and see what you're suggesting :-) |
| 14:48.24 | kilaker | Anyone know a site / sites where they compare windows/linux and gives advantages/disadvantages ? |
| 14:48.25 | abrotman | kennM: honestly .. i'd change your sources to etch .. |
| 14:48.30 | abrotman | !etcj |
| 14:48.31 | abrotman | !etch |
| 14:48.32 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 14:48.57 | asg | kilaker: there are likely not many that are without bias. |
| 14:49.04 | FieldySnuts | !win asg |
| 14:49.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, asg! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 14:49.17 | asg | that's being optimistic |
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| 14:49.31 | paulswm | There were just two competitors |
| 14:49.51 | FieldySnuts | only one of them is actually competing. the other just exists. |
| 14:49.52 | cmihai | Let me guess, RMS won first prize. |
| 14:49.54 | asg | paulswm: or one and I lost to a toilet brush |
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| 14:50.31 | asg | cmihai: very few outside of Uni Philosophy departments could compete with his beard. |
| 14:50.45 | kennM | abrotman, you'd change the sources list to reflect etch instead of sarge? will that work, do you think? |
| 14:51.34 | cmihai | asg Santa Clauss ?! |
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| 14:52.06 | asg | cmihai: too white |
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| 14:52.40 | Tye_ | I'm using module-assistant to make and install the scsi and USB mass storage packages. I can't find them in the list? |
| 14:52.51 | Esaj | does Linux have any decent video editing software? |
| 14:53.06 | paster | "[G][N][A][A]" at 131.175.189.134 pasted "GNAA Congratulates the Debian Project on the Release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 "Sarge"! http://www.gnaa.us/pr.phtml?troll=gnaa-sarge" (2 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/256 |
| 14:53.09 | cmihai | Esaj: no. |
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| 14:53.21 | cmihai | Esaj: There is Kino, but it's crap. Main Actor is payware. |
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| 14:53.40 | abrotman | kennM: well .. you've already got part of etch |
| 14:53.43 | asg | damn |
| 14:53.44 | Esaj | *grumble* |
| 14:53.47 | abrotman | !ops gnaa at paster bot |
| 14:53.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: gnaa at paster bot |
| 14:53.50 | Esaj | cmihai: thanks |
| 14:54.00 | slabing | hello! |
| 14:54.02 | Esaj | cmihai: all I want to do is rotate a video 90 degrees |
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| 14:54.06 | asg | !ops gnaa paster caused don_inlab and paster to be k-lined |
| 14:54.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: gnaa paster caused don_inlab and paster to be k-lined |
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| 14:54.22 | buerste | sarek, works, thanks. forgot BusID.... |
| 14:54.36 | FieldySnuts | why did don_inlab get taken out with that |
| 14:54.44 | abrotman | probably k-lined IP |
| 14:54.45 | asg | FieldySnuts: they are on the same box iirc |
| 14:54.45 | slabing | Someone have one experience with RAID-1 on debian? |
| 14:54.50 | FieldySnuts | ohh. |
| 14:55.01 | caphuso | hahahaha |
| 14:55.10 | streuner_ | hehehe |
| 14:55.11 | cmihai | Esaj: ah, that's easy then. Probably mencoder can do it eve.. heh. Try Kino, Avidemux, etc |
| 14:55.32 | Esaj | cmihai: kino doesn't seem to support my video format |
| 14:55.47 | Esaj | cmihai: I've tried mencoder but I'm not sure what output video encoding to use |
| 14:55.58 | Phated | Stupid gnaa fucker. |
| 14:56.02 | Esaj | cmihai: ffmpeg doesn't seem to be supported by friends' machines running windows |
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| 14:56.15 | Czesiu | !debian shop |
| 14:56.16 | cmihai | Esaj: so let them install the codecs. |
| 14:56.21 | FieldySnuts | don't say the g word too often, seems to get people klined |
| 14:56.25 | Phated | Esaj: avi? |
| 14:56.26 | streuner_ | well, don will have fun if he know he is k-lined... |
| 14:56.34 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Oh. *bites* |
| 14:56.50 | Phated | Esaj: And ask them to install vlc, too. |
| 14:57.01 | oKtosiTe | I would like to compress a file and split it up, using only one line on the console. How can I do this? |
| 14:57.10 | Phated | &&? |
| 14:57.16 | Esaj | Phated: which output format would that be in mencoder? |
| 14:57.23 | Phated | Esaj: Dunno. |
| 14:57.30 | oKtosiTe | Phated: only using the filename once in the line. |
| 14:57.35 | cmihai | Hell, I always use mplayer with win32 codecs when I have to use windows. All those codec packs are full of spyware. |
| 14:57.42 | kennM | abrotman ... sorry for the delay, I missed your last answer ... so I want to upgrade to etch, do I explicitly add etch to my sources list instead of sarge, or do i leave it as "testing" ? |
| 14:57.50 | Phated | oKtosiTe: Dunno, pipe it? :) |
| 14:57.54 | cmihai | Esaj: I usualy go with mpeg4... |
| 14:58.16 | oKtosiTe | Phated: I tried, but it doesn't do it, just compresses then. |
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| 14:58.50 | oKtosiTe | Phated: I tried: "gzip _user1.cab | split -d -a3 -b1000000" |
| 14:59.09 | Phated | oKtosiTe: Why do you need to only use the filename once, anyway? |
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| 14:59.35 | oKtosiTe | Phated: it's a project for someone else, I don't know. |
| 14:59.52 | xoz_ | oKtosiTe: man split |
| 15:00.10 | Phated | oKtosiTe: <shrug> Wait for someone else to answer, then. I'd use the filename twice quite happily. |
| 15:00.28 | oKtosiTe | Phated: ok, thanks though |
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| 15:00.36 | Phated | oKtosiTe: Sorry I couldn't help. |
| 15:00.43 | tosh | okay, Im stuck. I've read everything there is about sendmail virtual domains and I still get domain unknown for my new added domain... uhm... help |
| 15:00.43 | thomas_adam | oKtosiTe: You can use tar, that accepts a size limit. |
| 15:00.45 | oKtosiTe | Phated: No sweat. |
| 15:01.12 | oKtosiTe | thomas_adam: thanks, I'll look into it |
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| 15:02.07 | abrotman | kennM: if i were you .. i'd s/testing/etch/g ... though hyou need to realize there are no security updates for testing(which is currently etch) |
| 15:02.31 | abrotman | !phated++ |
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| 15:02.38 | Phated | Heh. |
| 15:02.38 | FieldySnuts | !date Phated |
| 15:02.44 | FieldySnuts | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 15:02.45 | Phated | Oh NOOOO |
| 15:02.46 | abrotman | oh |
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| 15:02.50 | dvs | ha! |
| 15:02.54 | FieldySnuts | out of all the hundreds of nicks it picks that random one HEH |
| 15:02.58 | dvs | They spelled my name wrong. ;-) |
| 15:03.05 | abrotman | chili |
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| 15:03.14 | Tye_ | If I put usb-storage in /etc/modules, will that load the modules it needs? Or do I need to write them up there as well? |
| 15:03.16 | kennM | abrotman, i appreciate your good advice .. I'm off now to see what happens ... thanks a million for helping. |
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| 15:03.27 | pngwn | the chili is a nice touch ;) |
| 15:03.38 | Phated | *fnaarrr* |
| 15:03.44 | FieldySnuts | teehee |
| 15:03.54 | Phated | We're corrupting the channel, deary. |
| 15:04.02 | Phated | Oh if only they knew... ;) |
| 15:04.10 | FieldySnuts | tease |
| 15:04.15 | dwerf | hello there, would anybody want to help me with a silly install-problem? |
| 15:04.20 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Moi? |
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| 15:04.49 | abrotman | kennM: no problem |
| 15:04.51 | kyu | dwerf, ask |
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| 15:05.16 | abrotman | !ask |
| 15:05.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 15:05.21 | dwerf | i burned and installed the net-install CD on my laptop, but now my keyboard isn't functioning when choosing a language |
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| 15:06.33 | paulswm | oKtosiTe: "gzip -c _user1.cab..." write the compressed stream to stdout |
| 15:06.46 | dwerf | this is like the very first thing i need to do after pressing enter to continue booting |
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| 15:07.04 | abrotman | usb ? |
| 15:07.04 | paulswm | oKtosiTe: then pipe as you had it |
| 15:07.13 | sobersabre | hello guys. are there any disadvantages to use swap files instead of partitions ? |
| 15:07.15 | Phated | !prize paulswm |
| 15:07.22 | dwerf | what about usb? |
| 15:07.23 | Phated | What a rubbish prize. |
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| 15:07.28 | oKtosiTe | paulswm: I got that part, but is there anyway to split it to a similar filename without giving split an actual prefix in the command line? |
| 15:07.29 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: yes. you have the additional overhead of the filesystem to slow you down more |
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| 15:07.38 | tosh | anyone running sendmail that can help me out? |
| 15:07.39 | Phated | !prize paulswm |
| 15:07.40 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: however, they come in handy in a pinch when you suddenly need more. |
| 15:07.45 | Phated | Stupid bot. |
| 15:07.47 | FieldySnuts | !hire Phated |
| 15:07.53 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, sounds reasonble... |
| 15:07.54 | Phated | !date FieldySnuts |
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| 15:07.59 | FieldySnuts | no. |
| 15:07.59 | Phated | HAHAH. |
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| 15:08.51 | kyu | badgeriffic! |
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| 15:09.09 | paulswm | oKtosiTe: Well, you have to tell split what preifx you want, all it knows is it's getting an unnamed stream on stdin |
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| 15:09.26 | dvs | bye |
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| 15:10.12 | dwerf | what am i doing wrong if directly after pressing "enter" to boot, my keyboard isn't reponding @ all? |
| 15:10.18 | oKtosiTe | paulswm: I'm looking for a way to only give one filename, but still get the file compressed and splitted. |
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| 15:10.31 | trendkill | Hi! |
| 15:10.34 | FieldySnuts | hi. |
| 15:10.35 | valdyn | dwerf: have you tried linux26 at the boot prompt? |
| 15:10.37 | paulswm | oKtosiTe: "i=filename; gzip -c $i| split.... $i |
| 15:10.52 | dwerf | i will |
| 15:10.56 | sussudio | !hi |
| 15:10.56 | dpkg | hello, sussudio |
| 15:10.56 | Phated | Woo, teh powah of variablex0rs. |
| 15:11.12 | xoz_ | dwerf: can you try the 2.6 kernel? try to see the option for booting kernel 2.6. the default i think is 2.4 |
| 15:11.12 | FieldySnuts | !vibrate |
| 15:11.18 | paulswm | oKtosiTe: kind of cheating, but you only give the literal filename once |
| 15:11.22 | Phated | I bet it has !vibrator. |
| 15:11.29 | trendkill | do anybody knows how can I turn on the DMA in my HDD? (I have set it up in the kernel 2.6.12). |
| 15:11.37 | dwerf | this is indeed working |
| 15:11.43 | dwerf | thank you very much |
| 15:11.47 | thomas_adam | I'd oersonally use tar, rather than using 50 other methods. |
| 15:11.51 | oKtosiTe | paulswm: you're the best, thanks |
| 15:12.15 | paulswm | oKtosiTe: You're welcome |
| 15:12.29 | streuner_ | trendkill, did you compare the values in an official config with yours? |
| 15:12.38 | ethics | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:13.17 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, what is the maximal memory size per single process in 2.6 ? |
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| 15:13.31 | FieldySnuts | hell if i know |
| 15:13.32 | sobersabre | ( assuming 64bit architecture) |
| 15:13.35 | FieldySnuts | !confuse sobersabre |
| 15:13.36 | dpkg | Yes, what was our snake yesterday, sobersabre? wellies of the monarchy of mongolia with extra herring |
| 15:13.36 | cat-dog | hey ! |
| 15:13.38 | ethics | trendkill, dont expect 2.6.12 to run correctly |
| 15:13.38 | trendkill | streuner_: yes, all functions are compiled in the kernel |
| 15:13.48 | sobersabre | hmm... |
| 15:13.49 | cat-dog | do you use firefox ? i got a bug maybe |
| 15:14.19 | trendkill | when booting, it writes, that Warning, your hdd dma is turned off... and my hdd is very slow :/ |
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| 15:14.34 | ethics | sobersabre, over 3gig.... |
| 15:14.39 | sobersabre | does anybody know how to make it possible for a process to have more than 4 GB of memory ? |
| 15:14.42 | leonel | any news about spamassasin bug fix from debian-security ? |
| 15:14.59 | ethics | my xfree86 made it to 3.1 gig once.. |
| 15:15.00 | shingouz | trendkill: turn it on then. install hdparm and read the manual |
| 15:15.13 | cat-dog | i am under kde 3.3 debian kernel 2.6.8 ,open firefox and hit the buttom "print screen" anout 3-5 times ,firefox will gone! |
| 15:15.14 | valdyn | sobersabre: any 64 bit arch should provide this. |
| 15:15.21 | trendkill | hdparm. Thanks, shingouz |
| 15:15.29 | shingouz | np |
| 15:15.37 | defcon8 | anyone got an amd 64 fx cpu? |
| 15:15.49 | sobersabre | valdyn, maybe in theory. i have 4g main, 1g swap |
| 15:16.05 | sobersabre | maximum mem we succeeded to get was 2.9g |
| 15:16.24 | streuner_ | defcon8: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 15:16.46 | cat-dog | anyone could have a test ? |
| 15:16.48 | paulswm | oKtosiTe: Actually, for the split prefix, you might want to use '$i.gz' so that someone knows that it's a gzipped file when reassembling it |
| 15:16.58 | sobersabre | from dox i've found that only 900m i can get via malloc ( brk() ) the rest via mmap() |
| 15:17.03 | defcon8 | streuner_, i was just wqondering if they are happy with it |
| 15:17.04 | sobersabre | but not more. |
| 15:17.14 | dwerf | linux26 is textual install thing, but it messes up my keyboard lay-out totally |
| 15:17.28 | streuner_ | defcon8: just ask there |
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| 15:18.14 | ethics | so has anyone worked out udev with 2.6.12? |
| 15:18.33 | pipeline | ethics: Save yourself the trouble and use devfs. |
| 15:19.26 | dwerf | weet iemand goeie install0info in het nederlands, ergens op het net? |
| 15:19.33 | dwerf | voor debian? |
| 15:20.19 | valdyn | sobersabre: look at this thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2004/04/msg00081.html, maybe you're using the wrong malloc |
| 15:20.26 | ethics | pipeline i am atm but its annoying |
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| 15:20.29 | sobersabre | ok... |
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| 15:21.01 | streuner_ | dwerf: /msg dpkg ig |
| 15:21.11 | dwerf | any alternatives to linux26? i just don't know enough linux to use it |
| 15:21.35 | dwerf | what is /msg dpkg ig? |
| 15:21.37 | streuner_ | dwerf: just start - you'll learn then... |
| 15:21.44 | cmihai | hehe |
| 15:21.50 | cmihai | Alternatives to "linux26" ... heh :) |
| 15:21.50 | streuner_ | dwerf: type that into your irc-client |
| 15:22.14 | ethics | pipeline lloks like udev 0.58 fixes it....now to find that hehe |
| 15:23.10 | xerophyte | could somebody make this as compact :) "("netstat -nap | grep ssh | grep LISTEN | awk '{print $4}' | awk -F: '{print $4}'"" |
| 15:24.04 | dwerf | what kind of partitions do i need to install debian? i've got a 7.5 Gb partition i can use |
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| 15:24.35 | Wyzard | dwerf: That's plenty of space for the OS |
| 15:24.46 | dwerf | i have these choices like ext3, reiser, jfs, xfs, etc |
| 15:24.49 | Wyzard | dwerf: You also want to have a swap partition, unless you have a large amount of RAM |
| 15:24.58 | stew | xerophyte: grep ssh | grep LISTEN | awk '{print $4}' can be replaced with just awk '/ssh.*LISTEN/{print $4}' |
| 15:25.11 | dwerf | so 1) a swap partition, and 2)? |
| 15:25.12 | Wyzard | dwerf: Use ext3 or reiser |
| 15:25.16 | FieldySnuts | always have swap for "oh shit" moments |
| 15:25.19 | cmihai | Use ext3 :) |
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| 15:25.30 | dwerf | what percentage should be swap? |
| 15:25.36 | FieldySnuts | i have 4GB in a server at work, still I have 256MB swap just in case. and at home, 512MB ram, 2GB swap |
| 15:25.48 | streuner_ | dwerf: the same size as your RAM |
| 15:25.48 | FieldySnuts | there's no real rule, how much ram do you have I'll tell you what i think |
| 15:25.53 | Wyzard | dwerf: swap = (amount of RAM you wish you had) - (amount of RAM you actually have) |
| 15:25.54 | GregM | how can i tell what version of a package is installed easily? |
| 15:25.56 | m | <- never used more then 300mb swap ever with 712mb of ram |
| 15:26.07 | shingouz | 2G of swap? what on earth are you running on that box FieldySnuts? |
| 15:26.10 | m | usually don't use any |
| 15:26.23 | valdyn | dwerf: depending on what you want to run 1-2G. |
| 15:26.28 | FieldySnuts | shingouz: opening 400+MB tiffs, in fact I have to make an additional 5GB swap "file" to be able to pull it off |
| 15:26.29 | dwerf | so 512mb RAM > create 512mb swap? |
| 15:26.37 | streuner_ | dwerf: yep |
| 15:26.42 | FieldySnuts | i'd create 1GB but that's me being paranoid |
| 15:26.43 | Wyzard | With 768MB RAM, the only time I've seen any swap usage at all in months was when azureus started leaking memory |
| 15:26.43 | shingouz | eek :) |
| 15:26.47 | ethics | gregm try app -v or man page then if that doesnt work packages.debian.org |
| 15:26.49 | dwerf | what is the difference between RAM and SWAP? |
| 15:26.52 | FieldySnuts | because once you use up both, the kernel starts randomly killing stuff off |
| 15:26.53 | dvs | dwerf: I'd create 1GB too |
| 15:27.06 | FieldySnuts | dwerf: SWAP is virtual ram. it's located on the disk. and it's extremely slow compared to real ram. |
| 15:27.08 | m | ugh azureus :) |
| 15:27.24 | FieldySnuts | dwerf: it's there in case you start eating up your real ram, as a secondary backup |
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| 15:27.41 | dwerf | so it's just to prevent a temporary sytem freeze when starting large tasks? |
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| 15:27.56 | FieldySnuts | basically |
| 15:27.56 | dwerf | so reiserFS logging is ok? |
| 15:28.01 | FieldySnuts | logging? |
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| 15:28.07 | valdyn | dwerf: it is there to prevent tasks to be killed or your system to crash. |
| 15:28.09 | Wyzard | journaling? |
| 15:28.09 | Phated | If your next question is "can I not have it", fuck no, you can't. |
| 15:28.12 | streuner_ | !filesystems |
| 15:28.13 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 15:28.14 | WikiNSK | hi, I downloaded debian3.1 DVDs via BitTorrent, and I need to compare the MD5 sums... Where can I find the MD5 of the torrents ? |
| 15:28.22 | dwerf | +1Gb or 512Mb :-) |
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| 15:28.31 | FieldySnuts | either will be fine |
| 15:28.35 | dwerf | ok |
| 15:28.37 | intension | !hi |
| 15:28.37 | dpkg | hello, intension |
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| 15:28.50 | ethics | swerf use ext3 unless you have reasons for others |
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| 15:29.25 | FieldySnuts | this is where peoples opinions vary widely. i trust reiserfs3 all around, but that's me. been using it for years at home and work. |
| 15:29.28 | xerophyte | stew, the line does not start with ssh |
| 15:29.29 | FieldySnuts | ext3 is just fine though |
| 15:29.32 | dwerf | i would have absolutely no good reasons... |
| 15:29.36 | streuner_ | WikiNSK: where did you get the torrent? |
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| 15:30.08 | streuner_ | WikiNSK: if its not on the same website you are out of luck then |
| 15:30.20 | WikiNSK | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 15:30.23 | peterS | FieldySnuts: indeed, reiserfs seems reasonable enough to me most of the time. my big problem with it is that when I had some hardware problems and thus needed to fsck my disk, reiserfsck turned out to be a piece of crap |
| 15:30.27 | paulswm | dwerf: If there is ever a chance that your computer will suddenly lose power, or that you will have to kill it with the power switch, ext3 will survive better. |
| 15:30.48 | FieldySnuts | now that i've definately not seen, i've screwed up lots of shit with ext3 doing that, never with reiser |
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| 15:30.53 | dwerf | ok |
| 15:30.56 | FieldySnuts | damn amazing how peoples experiences differ |
| 15:30.56 | WikiNSK | how can I compare MD5 ? |
| 15:31.00 | FieldySnuts | man md5sum |
| 15:31.02 | dwerf | you are the masters... |
| 15:31.12 | WikiNSK | I need the official MD5 from Debian... |
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| 15:31.15 | paulswm | Indeed, I've lost power a lot, and ext3 has always come back up clean. |
| 15:31.20 | xoz_ | well, bad experince of one person is not statistically significant |
| 15:31.21 | FieldySnuts | the TRUTH is there really is no perfect filesystem. some way, some day, you can get burned. |
| 15:31.28 | Wyzard | WikiNSK: Do you have an md5sums file? |
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| 15:31.34 | Wyzard | WikiNSK: "md5sum -c md5sums" |
| 15:31.35 | dwerf | how can i split partitions in linux26? |
| 15:31.37 | FieldySnuts | gotta have those backups. |
| 15:31.38 | streuner_ | WikiNSK: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 15:31.40 | WikiNSK | Wyzard: I don't have it |
| 15:32.00 | paulswm | Indeed, I agree, Fieldy. |
| 15:32.10 | dvs | dwerf: "Splitting" partitions doesn't depend on the kernel |
| 15:32.15 | Wyzard | WikiNSK: Then go download it |
| 15:32.15 | streuner_ | WikiNSK: besides, after installing debian - edit /etc/apt/sources.list (lines from testing to stable or sarge) |
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| 15:32.22 | valdyn | dwerf: delete the existing one and create new ones as you like |
| 15:32.31 | dwerf | but how? |
| 15:32.47 | dwerf | forgive me my stupidity... |
| 15:32.54 | Wyzard | dwerf: When you get to the partitioning step, choose "manually edit the partition table" |
| 15:33.06 | dwerf | ok |
| 15:33.25 | WikiNSK | ok thanks very much streuner_, I successfully compared the MD5s. |
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| 15:33.34 | dwerf | is it true that linux can read windows partitions and even edit them? |
| 15:33.41 | pipeline | No. |
| 15:33.45 | pipeline | Linux can read windows partitions. |
| 15:33.51 | dvs | dwerf: Yes, but I wouldn't try it with NTFS |
| 15:33.52 | WikiNSK | but I thought the bittorrent images were already r0a, no? |
| 15:33.54 | pipeline | Writing to NTFS is a whole nother ballgame |
| 15:34.01 | dwerf | dangerous? |
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| 15:34.05 | Wyzard | dwerf: FAT32 partitions are fine, but not NTFS |
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| 15:34.10 | dwerf | ok |
| 15:34.11 | pipeline | dwerf: Not dangerous, simply not possible. |
| 15:34.12 | streuner_ | WikiNSK: those are the old ones |
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| 15:34.23 | FieldySnuts | @ops floods |
| 15:34.24 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: floods |
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| 15:34.40 | Wyzard | dwerf: Linux can write to NTFS in a very limited way -- it can modify the existing contents of files, but can't change the size of files, or create or delete files |
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| 15:34.52 | paulswm | Yay, someone's on the ball! |
| 15:34.55 | Phated | Go go gadget caphuso! |
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| 15:35.02 | shingouz | and he is having a ball |
| 15:35.03 | FieldySnuts | +q *!*@81.* temporarily? |
| 15:35.04 | streuner_ | WikiNSK: in those isos are still a bug (/etc/apt/sources.list - "testing")... |
| 15:35.10 | mfrisch | libssl-dev will not install (on my box) in testing. unmet dependencies depends on 0.9.7e-3 but g-1 is to be installed Help/ |
| 15:35.14 | UnWorldly | hehe |
| 15:35.15 | WikiNSK | oh I see |
| 15:35.18 | dwerf | what is software raid? |
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| 15:35.26 | paulswm | caphuso "Wee"d all over them |
| 15:36.08 | Phated | Heh. |
| 15:36.10 | paulswm | Memo to self: install the new kernel *before* rebooting. |
| 15:36.14 | streuner_ | !tell dwerf about raid |
| 15:36.20 | shingouz | dwerf: somethign you do not need if you have to ask |
| 15:36.22 | WikiNSK | dwerf: software raid is a program that makes two or more hard disks to look like one hard disk, or it may just mirror data |
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| 15:36.44 | dwerf | is that a way of creating swap and ext3? |
| 15:36.49 | streuner_ | no |
| 15:36.50 | WikiNSK | dwerf: no |
| 15:36.51 | shingouz | no |
| 15:36.53 | Wyzard | dwerf: For a beginner setup on a non-critical system, you don't need RAID |
| 15:36.55 | dvs | no |
| 15:36.57 | dwerf | or conf logical volume manager? |
| 15:37.04 | Wyzard | dwerf: You don't need that either |
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| 15:37.19 | paulswm | dwar: are you building a kernel? |
| 15:37.25 | streuner_ | dwerf: just start - we can't tell you all that stuff in IRC |
| 15:37.26 | paulswm | dwerf: : are you building a kernel? |
| 15:37.28 | Wyzard | dwerf: use the arrow keys to select your existing partition, and press Enter |
| 15:37.30 | dvs | paulswm: installing |
| 15:37.38 | dwerf | building a kernel??? |
| 15:37.42 | dwerf | lol |
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| 15:37.50 | paulswm | No, you aren't. |
| 15:37.50 | Wyzard | dwerf: On the partition info screen, chose "delete the partition" |
| 15:37.51 | dvs | paulswm: Don't scare him. ;-) |
| 15:37.57 | paulswm | HAHA |
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| 15:38.05 | FieldySnuts | what a mess |
| 15:38.16 | Wyzard | dwerf: Then you'll have free space in the partition list; select it and press Enter to make a new partition |
| 15:38.18 | dwerf | ok |
| 15:38.29 | FieldySnuts | oh great now they're msging me, /umode +E time |
| 15:38.33 | dwerf | ah, it's free space now |
| 15:38.34 | paulswm | dwerf: LVM is an excellent tool, but just for now, keep your installation simple till you know your way around Linux. |
| 15:39.01 | Wyzard | dwerf: Make the swap partition first, and when it asks you for the size, the default will be the entire free space; change that to the size you want for your swap partition |
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| 15:39.15 | dwerf | create a new partition / automatically partition the free space? |
| 15:39.21 | Wyzard | dwerf: Then create the ext3 partition and let it fill the remaining space |
| 15:39.28 | Wyzard | dwerf: Create a new partition |
| 15:39.34 | dwerf | ok |
| 15:39.38 | orchid | FieldySnuts: +E does what? |
| 15:39.38 | WikiNSK | a good size for swap is two times your RAM. for example, if you have 2GB RAM then the swap can be 4GB |
| 15:39.45 | nephlim | hey guys, is there another text editor i can use within a terminal besidides VI? |
| 15:39.49 | FieldySnuts | only identified/registered nicks can msg or notice you |
| 15:39.52 | thomas_adam | nephlim: nano ? |
| 15:39.53 | WikiNSK | nephlim: pico |
| 15:39.53 | FieldySnuts | filters out a lot of BS |
| 15:39.59 | dwerf | put the swap at the beginning or the end? |
| 15:40.02 | thomas_adam | nephlim: jed, joe, jove ... |
| 15:40.13 | xoz_ | nephlim: apt-cache search text editor |
| 15:40.14 | Wyzard | WikiNSK: A good size for swap is (amount of virtual memory you want to have) - (amount of physical RAM you have) |
| 15:40.14 | dvs | WikiNSK: Debian has pico? I don't think so |
| 15:40.21 | Wyzard | dwerf: Doesn't matter |
| 15:40.24 | FieldySnuts | see everyone has their swap size formulas heh |
| 15:40.30 | dwerf | ok |
| 15:40.31 | nephlim | woah, lots of help. thanks |
| 15:40.32 | Phated | dvs: It's symlinked to nano. :) |
| 15:40.42 | dvs | Phated: Oh. ok |
| 15:40.52 | Wyzard | WikiNSK: Twice your physical RAM is nonsense... a server with 8GB RAM doesn't need 16GB swap |
| 15:40.57 | nephlim | i just need somewthing that's a bit easier to use. i'm admining my debian box from windows with putty |
| 15:40.58 | Thanatermesis2 | My X are crashed, not respond, all frozen, 99 % CPU for XFree86, Im in ssh in my machine... is posible to "reload" X withowt X or kill ? I have very processes in X :S |
| 15:40.59 | FieldySnuts | square root of -1 divided by the cubed root of 3, minus the distance to Centaraus (termination shock), plus the factorial of a badger |
| 15:41.04 | Phated | nephlim: nano, then. |
| 15:41.07 | streuner_ | http://www.df7cb.de/pictures/0506-LinuxTag/050624-LinuxTag/05.jpg |
| 15:41.13 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: Mine's more just the definition of what swap is |
| 15:41.23 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Minus the distance a jar of crabpaste will fly. |
| 15:41.24 | dwerf | bootable flag? |
| 15:41.28 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:41.29 | thomas_adam | nephlim: Try not to be too vague, or subejective, will you? |
| 15:41.30 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis2: Are you using the nvidia driver? |
| 15:41.40 | FieldySnuts | minus 2 angstroms |
| 15:41.42 | dwerf | mount points? |
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| 15:41.50 | FieldySnuts | which of course makes no sense because that's not a distance |
| 15:41.55 | Wyzard | dwerf: The mountpoint for your ext3 partition is "/" |
| 15:41.59 | streuner_ | http://www.df7cb.de/pictures/0506-LinuxTag/050624-LinuxTag/05.jpg <-- who is the woman on that picture? |
| 15:42.01 | dwerf | ok |
| 15:42.09 | mfrisch | libssl-dev will not install (on my box) in testing. unmet dependencies depends on 0.9.7e-3 but g-1 is to be installed Help?? |
| 15:42.11 | dwerf | so use the settings i see before me? |
| 15:42.12 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis2: No, you can't revive X without killing it |
| 15:42.14 | FieldySnuts | !date streuner_ |
| 15:42.19 | Phated | Plus five hours of hawt Phated-on-Fieldy action. ;) |
| 15:42.23 | FieldySnuts | hey now. |
| 15:42.26 | thomas_adam | Wyzard: That depends... |
| 15:42.29 | Phated | Heheh. |
| 15:42.31 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:42.37 | dvs | huh? |
| 15:42.45 | thomas_adam | Wyzard: There are plenty of instances where you can recover X without 'killing' it. |
| 15:42.46 | Wyzard | thomas_adam: Depends on what the cause is, I know, but it's unlikely |
| 15:43.05 | dwerf | what's a bootable flag? |
| 15:43.05 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: be a software patents barbie |
| 15:43.06 | dpkg | Aww, software patents is hard! Let's go shopping, fieldysnuts |
| 15:43.15 | Wyzard | thomas_adam: What would you do when the X server itself is at 99% CPU and nonresponsive? |
| 15:43.29 | FieldySnuts | Wyzard: kill its parent (pstree) |
| 15:43.33 | WikiNSK | dwerf: a partition which starts an operating system should have its bootable flag enabled. |
| 15:43.36 | thomas_adam | Wyzard: What's to say I'd be in X11? |
| 15:43.38 | FieldySnuts | if that's init, screw it. go to single user mode, back into multi |
| 15:43.43 | dwerf | name it anything? |
| 15:44.00 | Wyzard | dwerf: For the hostname, yes |
| 15:44.20 | dwerf | label? |
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| 15:44.36 | Wyzard | dwerf: I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 15:44.37 | Thanatermesis2 | Wyzard: :'( I have 34 Eterms with my works... :SSSS |
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| 15:44.47 | WikiNSK | dwerf: label for what ? |
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| 15:45.03 | dwerf | the label is just the name of the partition as it appears in the system? |
| 15:45.06 | dvs | dwerf: What does the prompt say? |
| 15:45.21 | dvs | dwerf: Oh, yeah. That doesn't matter much |
| 15:45.21 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis2: It's possible, though unlikely, that there's some other way, but that depends on what the cause of the hang is |
| 15:45.25 | dwerf | ok |
| 15:45.26 | WikiNSK | dwerf: if you mean label for a hd partition, type anything you like |
| 15:45.38 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis2: Are you using nvidia's XFree86 driver? |
| 15:45.42 | dwerf | after the /? |
| 15:45.47 | dwerf | or doesn't matter |
| 15:45.58 | Wyzard | dwerf: Leave the label as "/", or leave it blank |
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| 15:46.30 | Wyzard | dwerf: Any name would be OK, but random names might cause confusion if you ask for help with your partitioning setup in the future |
| 15:46.37 | Thanatermesis2 | yes Wyzard , and nvidia driver.. :( |
| 15:47.00 | Thanatermesis2 | is posible nvidia the problem? in what look the problem ? |
| 15:47.04 | dwerf | i'm not talking about the device name ;-) |
| 15:47.11 | pwned | soo is there a well known repository I can fetch mplayer debs from? marillat seems down |
| 15:47.13 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis2: Have you enabled RenderAccel in your X config? (Would've had to be done manually, since it's not enabled by default) |
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| 15:47.17 | dwerf | what's reserved blocks? |
| 15:47.27 | Wyzard | dwerf: Leave all that other stuff at defaults |
| 15:47.30 | dwerf | ok |
| 15:47.46 | mfrisch | pwned its down.. |
| 15:47.57 | Wyzard | dwerf: Reserved blocks means that some space on the disk (typically 5%) will be reserved for root, so that if a user fills up the disk, root still has a bit of room to do recovery work |
| 15:48.00 | WikiNSK | a block is a small piece of hard disk space. |
| 15:48.19 | dwerf | ok |
| 15:48.23 | Thanatermesis2 | Wyzard: posible.. is posible renderaccel the problem ? |
| 15:48.27 | dwerf | i'm quite enjoying this... |
| 15:48.44 | dvs | dwerf: What? Once the keyboard kinds works? ;-) |
| 15:48.57 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis2: Yes, it's buggy in recent versions of the driver... it was hanging X several times per day before I turned it back off |
| 15:49.04 | dwerf | should the 'bootable flag' be on for the swap partition? |
| 15:49.11 | dvs | dwerf: no |
| 15:49.13 | WikiNSK | dwerf: I don't think so |
| 15:49.17 | Thanatermesis2 | thanks Wyzard , Im turn of imediatly... |
| 15:49.18 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis2: If that's the cause, though, I'm pretty sure there's no option besides killing the server |
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| 15:49.30 | WikiNSK | dwerf: a swap does not contain any operating system |
| 15:49.46 | dwerf | now i'm going to write the changes to the disk |
| 15:49.49 | dwerf | this is exciting |
| 15:49.52 | WikiNSK | dwar: the swap is like virtual memory in windows |
| 15:49.55 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 15:50.06 | Wyzard | dwerf: Strictly speaking, it should be turned off for the ext3 partition too, but Linux doesn't really care either way |
| 15:50.08 | Thanatermesis2 | Wyzard: how to turn off? in the "device" section? |
| 15:50.13 | Thanatermesis2 | what are the parameter ? |
| 15:50.23 | dwerf | it doesn't matter at all? |
| 15:50.31 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis2: Look for the word "RenderAccel" in the file. If it isn't there, it isn't turned on. |
| 15:50.34 | WikiNSK | dwerf: is this your first GNU/Linux installation ? |
| 15:50.41 | dwerf | yep |
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| 15:50.55 | Thanatermesis2 | Im not have this line |
| 15:50.57 | Wyzard | dwerf: The bootable flag is used by Microsoft's bootloader, but you're going to be replacing that with the GRUB bootloader |
| 15:51.07 | WikiNSK | dwerf: that's great, welcome to GNU/Linux then |
| 15:51.12 | dwerf | thank you |
| 15:51.12 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis2: Then RenderAccel isn't the cause |
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| 15:51.26 | Thanatermesis2 | option "RenderAccel" "off" <--- is good in the section line Wyzard ? |
| 15:51.36 | kamaraju | I connect Laptop and TV using S-video cable. But S-video, as the name suggests transfers only Video. The sound actually comes from the laptop. How can I make the sound come from TV instead of laptop? This enables me to use the TV remote to adjust the sound. Any ideas as to what I should do? |
| 15:51.41 | Wyzard | dwerf: However, if Microsoft's bootloader tried to boot your ext3 partition it would fail, so I'd turn off the bootable flag there |
| 15:51.55 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis2: If you want to, but it's off by default so it shouldn't make a difference |
| 15:52.14 | webfreak | kamaraju: does your TV have left/right audio input? |
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| 15:52.25 | mfrisch | kamaraju plug your laptop audio out into tv |
| 15:52.33 | Wyzard | kamaraju: Connect your laptop's audio-out jack to your TV's audio-in jack |
| 15:52.38 | dwerf | i have got one swap 512Mb and and one ext3 6.5 Gb and i'm going to turn the bootable flag of for the ext3 |
| 15:52.42 | webfreak | see, i was getting at that |
| 15:52.46 | webfreak | :| |
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| 15:53.07 | Wyzard | webfreak: It'd be a pretty stupid TV that has video-in but no audio-in :-) |
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| 15:53.14 | kamaraju | webfreak: Yes. It does |
| 15:53.25 | webfreak | kamaraju: then do what they said, just get an audio cable |
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| 15:53.28 | Wyzard | dwerf: Sounds like you're all set |
| 15:53.35 | kamaraju | Wyzard: What are these cables called? audio cable? |
| 15:53.54 | dwerf | [!!] no root file sytem is defined |
| 15:54.04 | mfrisch | kamaraju check the plug to see what you need |
| 15:54.05 | Wyzard | kamaraju: "Audio cable" is a good descriptive term... I don't think there's any special name for that particular kind of audio cable |
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| 15:54.09 | CORUMLUYUM | Weee Hulya avþar! www.hulya.gen.ms |
| 15:54.17 | webfreak | ... |
| 15:54.22 | Thanatermesis2 | yes, Wyzard , is correct my line for put ? |
| 15:54.22 | Anders | ... |
| 15:54.25 | webfreak | CORUMLUYUM: go away |
| 15:54.27 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis2: yes |
| 15:54.29 | WikiNSK | dwerf: root file system is / |
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| 15:54.37 | bobbens | !ops CORUMLUYUM is onjoin bot spam |
| 15:54.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: CORUMLUYUM is onjoin bot spam |
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| 15:54.42 | m | lol |
| 15:54.45 | Wyzard | dwerf: Go back to the ext3 partition and make sure its mount point is set to "/" |
| 15:54.45 | dwerf | where do i set it? |
| 15:54.47 | dvs | bobbens: Too slow |
| 15:54.49 | dwerf | ok |
| 15:54.55 | bobbens | dvs: yup qq |
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| 15:54.59 | dwerf | the same as the swap partition? |
| 15:55.03 | dwerf | it's /home now |
| 15:55.07 | m | corumluym didn't last long |
| 15:55.14 | Wyzard | dwerf: No, swap partitions don't have mount points |
| 15:55.20 | dwerf | sorry |
| 15:55.24 | bobbens | i think when i said his name he detected it and quit |
| 15:55.28 | dwerf | so /home is not good? |
| 15:55.29 | FieldySnuts | no, he got K-lined |
| 15:55.31 | dwerf | it must be / |
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| 15:55.33 | FieldySnuts | an IRC operator got to him |
| 15:55.38 | Wyzard | dwerf: Yes, it must be / |
| 15:55.42 | dwerf | ok |
| 15:55.51 | dvs | dwerf: Don't complicate things. Have a / and swap and that's it. |
| 15:55.57 | dwerf | here it goes... |
| 15:56.07 | takatumi | bobbens: no, it was K-lined |
| 15:56.09 | Wyzard | dwerf: You could use additional partitions for things like /home if you want, but on this system you'll have everything (including /home) on one single partition |
| 15:56.24 | dwerf | i don't complicate - i want to understand |
| 15:56.25 | greedyboy | what up room |
| 15:56.26 | ethics | theres no way to know from apt-cache what vesion of udev is available is there the packages is just called udev.. |
| 15:56.28 | gAri- | hi everybody |
| 15:56.33 | gAri- | is there some opensource rar implementation? |
| 15:56.44 | webfreak | rar/unrar? |
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| 15:57.17 | WikiNSK | dwerf: in GNU/Linux all hard disk partitions, CDs etc are mounted under / in its directories |
| 15:57.26 | dwerf | ok |
| 15:57.32 | Thanatermesis2 | thanks |
| 15:57.32 | dwerf | by name label? |
| 15:57.36 | jetx | there is no rar... look |
| 15:57.39 | jetx | !info rar |
| 15:57.41 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 3.30-2 (sid), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 419 kB |
| 15:57.41 | gAri- | webfreak: yea |
| 15:57.43 | webfreak | umm |
| 15:57.51 | webfreak | Setting up rar (3.30-2) ... |
| 15:57.51 | dvs | jetx: liar! ;-) |
| 15:57.53 | ethics | can someone check the version of udev inunstable please....im out of bandwith to hit dpo |
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| 15:58.02 | jetx | moi? |
| 15:58.08 | gAri- | hm |
| 15:58.18 | dvs | !info udev |
| 15:58.22 | gAri- | sorry, than only adamantix doesnt have rar :) |
| 15:58.23 | grml | dwerf: man chroot |
| 15:58.24 | jetx | /msg dpkg info udev |
| 15:58.24 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.056-3 (sid), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 684 kB |
| 15:58.32 | jetx | err |
| 15:58.39 | jetx | /msg dpkg info udev unstable rather |
| 15:59.20 | m | is that like being out of minutes? |
| 15:59.21 | ethics | bah useless....udev in unstable and etxh are way behind thus the 2.6.12 issues.... |
| 15:59.27 | hwarrier | hi, I am trying to compile apache 1.3.33 on debian. I get an `RTLD_NOW' undeclared error. |
| 15:59.37 | ethics | gah udev from source....sigh |
| 15:59.49 | FieldySnuts | !lart udev |
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| 16:00.10 | hwarrier | when I search around, I got some references to RTL_xxx related changes to the debian source package. Does anyone can have quick link to what I need to change? |
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| 16:00.34 | dvs | !tell sobersabre -about away |
| 16:00.43 | rss | hi, what is the flag for ls to display full paths of all the files. man ls was not helpful. |
| 16:00.52 | ethics | explains why the developers have had issues too... |
| 16:01.08 | grml | rss try ls -l |
| 16:01.14 | FieldySnuts | udev is overrated, forget about it |
| 16:01.16 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, you know sarge has apache 1.3.33 and apache2 2.0.54, right? |
| 16:01.21 | rss | full path like /home/rss/. |
| 16:01.27 | rss | for all files |
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| 16:01.56 | intension | rss ls -al |
| 16:02.06 | rss | no |
| 16:02.11 | rss | full path dude |
| 16:02.13 | thomas_adam | rss: find $(pwd) -type f |
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| 16:02.22 | grml | rss i think dd |
| 16:02.22 | hwarrier | jasoncohen, yes I do, but I have set of build scripts that works everywhere else and so I build from source. I know debian has a wonderful pkg mgmt system.. |
| 16:02.35 | intension | rss not with ls |
| 16:02.38 | rss | cool |
| 16:02.40 | hwarrier | but in this case it would have been nice it could use the stock 1.3.33 from apache.org |
| 16:02.49 | rss | thanks thomas_adam |
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| 16:04.10 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, is there a problem with the debian apache build? you could just build it by adding a sarge deb-src |
| 16:04.51 | hwarrier | jasoncohen, u mean use the debian source for apache? |
| 16:05.01 | jasoncohen | yes |
| 16:05.15 | jasoncohen | i'm checking to see if the version of perl in woody would satisfy the build |
| 16:05.29 | ethics | dpkg 2.6.12 is Kernel 2.6.12 requires udev 0.58 to run correctly .....not currently package 26-6-05....use devfs if you require 2.6.12 or check if the new version is packaged yet |
| 16:05.29 | dpkg | okay, ethics |
| 16:06.00 | hwarrier | it seems to have a different directory structure, I guess I will try to fit it into my make structure. But I am curios what is this RTL_xxx all about |
| 16:06.09 | FieldySnuts | funny i'm running it without |
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| 16:06.15 | hwarrier | is it a library that is missing? |
| 16:06.15 | FieldySnuts | so that's not true |
| 16:06.23 | dvs | same here |
| 16:06.49 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: 2.6.12 is also Note that some people have reported that you do NOT need udev, there is confusion somewhere. |
| 16:06.49 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: okay |
| 16:07.06 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, no, it's just that apache requires perl 5.8.4-2 or higher to build from the sarge source |
| 16:07.10 | jasoncohen | http://packages.debian.org/stable/source/apache |
| 16:07.18 | jasoncohen | that's higher than the version in woody |
| 16:07.21 | dwerf | apt through http or ftp? |
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| 16:07.29 | dwerf | and with what settings? |
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| 16:07.44 | mfrisch | PEACE |
| 16:07.47 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: I'd be surprised if any kernel depended on udev... maybe it means that if you want to use udev with 2.6.12, you must use the newer version? |
| 16:07.57 | ethics | FieldySnuts, you using usb etc? |
| 16:08.05 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 16:08.06 | hwarrier | jasoncohen, I already have perl 5.8.7 and I am on sarge |
| 16:08.22 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, oh, i thought you were on woody |
| 16:08.22 | dvs | !info perl sarge |
| 16:08.29 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: That's not clear from either the original text or your addition, though |
| 16:08.30 | dpkg | perl: (Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language), section perl, is standard. Version: 5.8.4-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 3162 kB, Installed size: 11052 kB |
| 16:08.36 | ethics | Wyzard, yeah |
| 16:08.37 | grml | rss check out du, and ded if you've got it |
| 16:08.39 | FieldySnuts | shit happens |
| 16:08.57 | ethics | FieldySnuts, try unplugging and repugging and mounting.... |
| 16:09.04 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, do you have all the build dependencies for apache- apt-get build-dep apache |
| 16:09.09 | FieldySnuts | ethics: I don't do it that way, i take care of modules etc myself |
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| 16:09.19 | FieldySnuts | i don't trust some lame daemon to do it for me |
| 16:09.28 | Finalhazard | Ok, I tried installing Debian, but there's a problem. |
| 16:09.48 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, so, i take it you don't want to use the apache binary deb, but want to build from the official source. |
| 16:09.54 | ethics | FieldySnuts, thats one symptom i have but theres pages at linuxquestions and in the realeasenoted from rc4+ |
| 16:09.59 | Finalhazard | My network card isn't listed among them (It's an AT 20000T PnP from what I saw inside the PC)... |
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| 16:10.04 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, let me try on my sarge system |
| 16:10.10 | ethics | FieldySnuts, so your not using udev..... |
| 16:10.17 | Finalhazard | I could be wrong about the card, but I'm not sure. |
| 16:10.31 | FieldySnuts | ethics: i never said I was, in fact, I was trying to point out I run .12 WITHOUT udev. go away. |
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| 16:11.03 | dvs | Finalhazard: What does "lspci | grep Eth" say? |
| 16:11.09 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, so, did you run apt-get build-dep apache to make sure you got all the dependencies? |
| 16:11.15 | Finalhazard | What? |
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| 16:11.25 | hwarrier | jasoncohen, probably not. The system is just base debian sarge. I plan build my own set of apache,mysql,perl etc under /my/path completely outside of debian pkg structure |
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| 16:11.36 | bigwilk | hello |
| 16:11.36 | Finalhazard | Is that a driver, or is it a command? |
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| 16:11.58 | dvs | Finalhazard: A command |
| 16:12.04 | Finalhazard | Oh. |
| 16:12.06 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, ok, but you'll still need the build dependencies satisfied. if you're missing one, apt-get build-dep apache should fix it |
| 16:12.10 | Finalhazard | For a second I didn't know. |
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| 16:12.18 | bigwilk | wher do you from finalhazard???????? |
| 16:12.20 | pwned | I have a question about using a repository in sources.list http://rafb.net/paste/results/rRO87E37.html |
| 16:12.23 | jasoncohen | hmm, apparently ftp.nerim.net is down |
| 16:12.32 | dvs | Finalhazard: or /exec -o lspci | grep Eth |
| 16:12.36 | Finalhazard | Ah. |
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| 16:12.45 | dns21 | when compiling from source, is it neccessary to use fakeroot debian/rules binary? |
| 16:12.49 | Finalhazard | I'll check that command when I start my PC. |
| 16:12.58 | dvs | dns21: I use sudo |
| 16:13.13 | tolecnal | jasoncohen, yeah I noticed that too :/ |
| 16:13.19 | Finalhazard | I don't have it in the same room as this PC I'm using... My computer that is. |
| 16:13.31 | dns21 | dvs, how does sudo compare to fakeroot? |
| 16:13.42 | paulswm | fakeroot is safer |
| 16:13.52 | paulswm | man fakeroot |
| 16:13.52 | ethics | FieldySnuts, so you think it should read something more like...if you use udev on 2.6.12 kernels it needs to be 0.58 minimum....you can howeve just use devfs? |
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| 16:13.59 | dvs | dns21: You have more control over the permissions with sudo |
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| 16:14.15 | caphuso | dvs: no, you don't |
| 16:14.15 | dns21 | paul, I don't have fakeroot installed, i'm trying to get wireless working first |
| 16:14.37 | dvs | caphuso: How can you stop a user from using fakeroot? |
| 16:14.45 | caphuso | dvs: nope |
| 16:14.52 | paulswm | dns21: I was just answering your question |
| 16:14.54 | caphuso | err, you can't |
| 16:14.56 | hwarrier | hmmm... there are like tons of unmet dependencies http://pastebin.com/303878 . Can I just get by with build-essential? |
| 16:15.02 | jasoncohen | why would you want to? |
| 16:15.04 | dvs | caphuso: That's what I mean |
| 16:15.04 | caphuso | dvs: the question is: why would you want to? |
| 16:15.08 | dns21 | paulswm, understandable |
| 16:15.16 | jasoncohen | who cares if they can build a debian package...they can't install it w/o being root |
| 16:15.26 | Finalhazard | It says it's an invalid command when I try it... |
| 16:15.28 | caphuso | users can go play with fakeroot all day long, if it pleases them |
| 16:15.57 | dvs | caphuso: So that not anyone can run programs as "root"? |
| 16:16.08 | Wyzard | lol |
| 16:16.10 | caphuso | dvs: you can't run programs as root with fakeroot |
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| 16:16.18 | paulswm | dvs: man fakeroot |
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| 16:16.20 | caphuso | it _fakes_ root |
| 16:16.24 | caphuso | it doesn't make you root |
| 16:16.26 | Wyzard | dvs: fakeroot makes a program think it's root. It does not actually provide root privileges. |
| 16:16.38 | FieldySnuts | fakebadgerwangtek |
| 16:16.45 | caphuso | $ fakeroot cat /etc/shadow |
| 16:16.45 | caphuso | cat: /etc/shadow: Permission denied |
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| 16:17.16 | paulswm | fakeroot is very useful and safe |
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| 16:17.45 | kertrats | ok, this is an ubuntu question, but no one there knows what to do and this doesnt have anything specifically to do with it; I just downloaded the install CD, burnt it to a disc, and tried to boot; when I did, it gives me about 2 pages of text and then leads me to an A:\> prompt; I don't have an A drive. Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:17.46 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, apache 1.3.33 builds fine here |
| 16:18.11 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, i just did apt-get build-dep apache and then did a ./configure && make |
| 16:18.27 | jasoncohen | dvs, at least he's honest |
| 16:18.45 | pwned | ubuntu has an A:\> prompt?! |
| 16:18.47 | kertrats | best to mention it beforehand than to give my problem then 10 comments later, 'oh, by the way...' |
| 16:18.59 | kertrats | no, it doesnt, according to the #ubuntu room |
| 16:19.09 | pwned | that's a channel not a room |
| 16:19.09 | kertrats | why would my computer be sending me to one when I boot the disc? |
| 16:19.14 | jasoncohen | kertrats, did you bother checking the md5sum on the disk to make sure it matched the one on the ftp servers? did you set your BIOS to boot of your CD-ROM drive? |
| 16:19.15 | kertrats | whatever |
| 16:19.31 | dns21 | so, what is the purpose of the debian dir and "debian/rules binary"? |
| 16:19.37 | intension | kertrats did you unmount the floppy ? |
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| 16:19.50 | pwned | why do you boot with a dos boot disk |
| 16:19.53 | kertrats | there isn't a floppy |
| 16:19.54 | thingfish | someone needs to tell freenode this is a channel, not a room: "af256 left the room ("See You")." |
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| 16:20.02 | kertrats | this computer has no floppy drive |
| 16:20.06 | rikva | Hi, I need to mount a disk with FreeBSD filesystem on my debian box, is this possible? |
| 16:20.12 | intension | kertrats did you format the dos drive ? |
| 16:20.36 | jethro | thingfish: that's your IRC client |
| 16:20.37 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, it should build fine on sarge. i bet you're missing some build dependencies. |
| 16:20.38 | paulswm | rikva: yes |
| 16:20.46 | rikva | paulswm: could you tell me how? |
| 16:20.50 | samuel | ive made a symlink to my home folder in the /var/www folder and chown to www-data, my files are readable by everyone. shouldnt this be enough for apache2 to read my home folder? |
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| 16:21.00 | thingfish | jethro: I didn't consider that possibility. |
| 16:21.02 | bigwilk | wahts time is it ???????? |
| 16:21.03 | FieldySnuts | rikva: if it's built into the kernel or a module, yeah. i'd try mount -v -t auto /dev/whatever /mnt/something |
| 16:21.08 | jethro | thingfish: :) |
| 16:21.11 | FieldySnuts | @annoy bigwilk |
| 16:21.11 | ravenbird | bigwilk: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 16:21.12 | thingfish | :) |
| 16:21.17 | intension | samuel more than enough |
| 16:21.23 | rikva | FieldySnuts: auto doesn't work, i already tried. |
| 16:21.24 | jasoncohen | samuel, the files need to have the right permissions- not just the symlink |
| 16:21.28 | paulswm | rikva: man mount, it's presumably type ufs, it's all in the manpage anyway |
| 16:21.33 | vladster | Good day, has anyone figured how to get the plus deck 2 cassette drive to work under linux? |
| 16:21.35 | dns21 | I haven't found anything usefull in the docs at debian.org unless somebody has a link and I just searched the wrong ones, else, is it safe to just ./configure && make; su -c "make install"? |
| 16:21.36 | rikva | paulswm: thanks |
| 16:21.40 | samuel | jasoncohen, they are all readable by everyone |
| 16:21.44 | paulswm | rikva: you're welcome |
| 16:21.46 | FieldySnuts | rikva: dunno then, perhaps modprobe -v nameoffilesystem see if it has something |
| 16:21.56 | FieldySnuts | perhaps ufs (?) |
| 16:22.03 | samuel | intension, any idea why it might not be reading the symlink? |
| 16:22.18 | bigwilk | hello? |
| 16:22.22 | intension | samuel no |
| 16:22.24 | bigwilk | wahts time is it |
| 16:22.27 | samuel | i dont get it, there are two other symlinks in there and they are both being read |
| 16:22.28 | bigwilk | ??? |
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| 16:22.37 | intension | bigwilk go to a clock |
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| 16:22.49 | bigwilk | no |
| 16:22.53 | paulswm | rikva: It will also be ufstype 44bsd according to man mount, section "Mount options for ufs" |
| 16:22.55 | intension | bigwilk yes |
| 16:22.57 | FieldySnuts | can somebody +q this tit |
| 16:23.05 | FieldySnuts | !breastfeed bigwilk |
| 16:23.28 | FieldySnuts | nice 34D's there dpkg :D |
| 16:23.30 | vladster | Guess what just came today |
| 16:23.39 | hwarrier | jasoncohen, as I said earlier I would like installed under /my/path so that I can tar everything up and install on a different debian machine. |
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| 16:23.49 | vladster | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.55 | dvs | vladster: the four horsemen? |
| 16:24.06 | hwarrier | so if there is any dependency like ssl, I would like it to pickup openssl under /my/path |
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| 16:24.23 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, ok |
| 16:24.26 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, sorry |
| 16:24.33 | vladster | Now all I need to do is go through and set up myth tv |
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| 16:25.00 | jasoncohen | vladster, good luck, i have my sarge box running as a mythtv backend/frontend with 2 tuners and a 450 GB LVM and it works great |
| 16:25.27 | bigwilk | no how a clock is it now |
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| 16:25.34 | bigwilk | ?`??????? |
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| 16:25.40 | vladster | Just the though of watching a game while coding makes it worth it |
| 16:25.41 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 16:25.47 | caphuso | bigwilk: quiet time is it |
| 16:25.58 | intension | haha |
| 16:25.59 | dvs | it's called a "time out" |
| 16:26.01 | paulswm | bigwilk: where you are in Germany, it's noon. |
| 16:26.04 | paulswm | sshhhhhhh |
| 16:26.11 | vladster | and being able to edit out commercials from movies |
| 16:26.37 | caphuso | paulswm: it's 18:30 in germany, not noon |
| 16:26.45 | paulswm | caphuso: I *know* |
| 16:26.47 | vladster | jasoncohen: is that the card you use? |
| 16:27.13 | paulswm | I'm not a complete idiot, it's 1227 EDT |
| 16:27.23 | dvs | paulswm: Same here |
| 16:27.35 | jasoncohen | vladster, no, i use a pvr-250 MCE and a hauppauge wintv (bttv with btaudio support). i'll probably also get an air2pc |
| 16:27.54 | FieldySnuts | dpkg -i id10t.h in paulswm |
| 16:28.00 | FieldySnuts | shit |
| 16:28.01 | paulswm | :( |
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| 16:28.04 | vladster | The thing is I wonder if I can also get the card to take input from the vcr to convert all my old tapes as well |
| 16:28.07 | paulswm | Oh, HAHA |
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| 16:28.22 | paulswm | !rmmod FieldySnuts |
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| 16:28.30 | paulswm | :D |
| 16:28.49 | dvs | vladster: I've done that with my WinFast TV card |
| 16:28.50 | vladster | The data sheet says it will accept all video signals |
| 16:29.08 | vladster | does it also accept hdtv? |
| 16:29.23 | dvs | vladster: I don't think so. |
| 16:29.26 | hwarrier | jasoncohen, the build dependencies include things like xfree86-common!. Is it only perl5.8 that I need? |
| 16:29.26 | ethics | vladster: some cards are not working yet for svideo & composite inputs but not many dont ...bttv cards all work i beleive its the ivtv series thats iffy on it |
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| 16:29.51 | vladster | that is what this one will do as well as ignore broadcast flags |
| 16:29.58 | jasoncohen | hwarrier, no- you need all build-dependencies. i was just pointing out perl because i thought you were on woody and woody's perl doesn't meet the build dependency |
| 16:30.25 | rikva | paulswm: 44bsd works. you saved my day. |
| 16:30.30 | jasoncohen | ethics, the pvr-250 & 250 MCE support composite & s-video perfectly |
| 16:30.33 | vladster | It is also developed soley for linux as well |
| 16:30.47 | jasoncohen | ethics, and from what i hear the support on the 150 & 500 is getting much better |
| 16:30.58 | vladster | There are windows drivers but they are purely experimental |
| 16:31.04 | grml | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.23 | vladster | 2 gig |
| 16:31.24 | dvs | vladster: I guess it's supported in Linux but with what driver |
| 16:31.38 | dvs | grml: 1GB |
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| 16:32.02 | vladster | there are debs as well as rpms in addition to source packages |
| 16:32.12 | grml | dvs: wow that is a lot! |
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| 16:32.33 | dvs | grml: It's only twice the RAM. |
| 16:32.51 | vladster | I go three times at least |
| 16:33.00 | ethics | jasoncohen, yeah i think so, my tvbox is on xpMC atm but ill swap back in a few weeks |
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| 16:33.38 | vladster | has anyone figured how to get the plus deck cassette drive to work ing linux? |
| 16:33.47 | jasoncohen | isn't the debian testing security page automated? |
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| 16:33.58 | vladster | damn repeated the wrong history slot |
| 16:34.06 | Virtual | Anybody can help me with a powernowd problem ? |
| 16:34.07 | jasoncohen | it says spamassassin is still vulnerable on testing but 3.0.4 went into testing weeks ago |
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| 16:38.19 | Azar | wow Solaris source code is out free |
| 16:38.26 | FieldySnuts | we care |
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| 16:38.36 | norton | cdrecord encountered a write error, and now I can't kill it, or eject the cd. Is there some way to fix it without restarting ? |
| 16:38.40 | systems | whats the name of the new testing release |
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| 16:38.48 | paulswm | systems: etch |
| 16:39.04 | paulswm | Doesn't *anybody* read the debian web site? |
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| 16:39.26 | systems | i hate it >:/ |
| 16:40.00 | valdyn | norton: did you try kill -9 ? |
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| 16:40.31 | norton | valdyn: of course |
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| 16:40.44 | dvs | paulswm: There's a Debian web site?!? ;-) |
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| 16:40.52 | valdyn | norton: so cdrecord is a zombie now? |
| 16:41.00 | defcon8 | how do i add those extra non-us and thingo mirrors? |
| 16:41.07 | norton | I have two processes |
| 16:41.15 | norton | cdrecord mmap dev=ATA:1,1,0 -v ... |
| 16:41.17 | jasoncohen | systems, you hate the debian site? how can you hate something you don't use? |
| 16:41.18 | norton | [cdrecord.mmap] <defunct> |
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| 16:41.30 | norton | yes the latter one is a zombie |
| 16:41.50 | paulswm | !prise dvs |
| 16:41.55 | paulswm | :P |
| 16:42.07 | jasoncohen | systems, it took me *TWO* clicks of the mouse to get to the answer to your question from debian.org- http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 16:42.09 | dvs | >-( |
| 16:42.17 | valdyn | norton: try killall cdrecord - if that does not work killall -9 cdrecord, if that does not work, kill its parent, if that does not work wait till its gone, if that does not work you would have to reboot |
| 16:42.18 | Azar | defcon8, there are no more non-us |
| 16:42.19 | norton | dont know much about zombies. No way to kill it? |
| 16:42.24 | jasoncohen | and if you search "debian testing" in google one click |
| 16:42.32 | bigbill52a | i guess nerim is down? |
| 16:42.37 | norton | valdyn: ok |
| 16:42.41 | jasoncohen | bigbill52a, yes |
| 16:42.47 | dns21 | anybody feel like telling me the number of clicks to solve mine+ |
| 16:42.51 | bigbill52a | do you know how long? |
| 16:42.54 | paulswm | norton: you can't kill a zombie, it is not a process, it is simply taking up a process slot |
| 16:42.56 | jasoncohen | dns21, what's wrong with debian's website/ |
| 16:43.27 | valdyn | norton: the question remains before you reboot if you *really* cant access the cdrom while the zombie stays in place. |
| 16:43.31 | jasoncohen | dns21, what's your problem? |
| 16:43.36 | dns21 | jasoncohen, I can't seem to find any info on compiling from source |
| 16:43.44 | jasoncohen | lol, are you joking? |
| 16:43.50 | dns21 | jasoncohen, or fakeroot.. |
| 16:43.52 | Azar | I love Debian website, as opposed to those retarded websites that use javascripts for navigation |
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| 16:43.59 | dns21 | jasoncohen, no, not the right information... |
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| 16:44.37 | jasoncohen | dns21, one click |
| 16:44.39 | jasoncohen | dns21, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 16:44.54 | dns21 | jasoncohen, we'll see |
| 16:45.04 | jasoncohen | that'll tell you how to build a debian package and what everything does |
| 16:45.23 | jasoncohen | if you just want to build from source and don't want to build a debian package it's usually just ./configure && make && make install |
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| 16:45.37 | norton | valdyn: didnt understand the last thing you said |
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| 16:45.53 | jasoncohen | and if you want a debian package you could always use checkinstall -D |
| 16:46.10 | jasoncohen | i do that with my amarok builds |
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| 16:46.19 | dns21 | jason, I have been to that site, I don't have -rfakeroot as an option with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:46.23 | valdyn | norton: a zombie process takes up no resources, so your cdrom might become available again once all your cdrecords are either gone or zombiefied. |
| 16:46.31 | pandres | hello, I've brilliantly made a 'cleanlink' (clear al empty dirs and dangling simlinks) as root, so my filesys is wreck, apt-get barely worksm is there a way to restore the systen/packages without reinstalling? |
| 16:46.42 | norton | valdyn: ok i see |
| 16:46.47 | jasoncohen | dns21, do you have dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 16:47.12 | jasoncohen | dns21, first, what are you trying to do? |
| 16:47.13 | dns21 | jasoncohen, I know how to compile from source, I'm trying to switch over from slackware and it isn't working properly when I do make (no ./configure) && make install |
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| 16:47.30 | dns21 | jasoncohen, yes I have dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:47.36 | jasoncohen | dns21, what are you trying to compile & why? |
| 16:47.54 | dns21 | I'm trying to get ndiswrapper working so I can continue with my deb install |
| 16:47.55 | Wyzard | Has anyone had problems with the DHCP client in the sarge installer? |
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| 16:48.06 | dvs | Wyzard: nope |
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| 16:48.10 | QUACH-214 | can someon know how to remoe connect for mysql ? |
| 16:48.14 | valdyn | norton: you can also do stuff like : cdrecord -eject and cdrecord -reset and just 'eject' |
| 16:48.20 | Wyzard | I was helping a friend install Debian a few days ago, and the DHCP client was failing to see the response from my DHCP server |
| 16:48.24 | jasoncohen | dns21, i always setup wireless last |
| 16:48.27 | QUACH-214 | i just set this for mysql and see it in phpmyadmin like this |
| 16:48.28 | QUACH-214 | web0 % Ja USAGE Nein |
| 16:48.29 | Wyzard | Knoppix and Ubuntu got an address just fine; we ended up installing Ubuntu |
| 16:48.37 | QUACH-214 | web0 % yes USAGE No |
| 16:49.18 | valdyn | Wyzard: maybe those distros default to the newer dhcp client |
| 16:49.20 | Virtual | Anybody can help me with a powernowd problem ? |
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| 16:49.26 | vladster | this is wierd, I cannot get my cdrom to mount |
| 16:49.46 | jasoncohen | dns21, !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 16:49.59 | jasoncohen | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 16:50.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 16:50.05 | vladster | or should I say dvdrecorder to work outside k3b |
| 16:50.06 | dns21 | jasoncohen, I have installed wireless many times on different distros and from my experience, it is always been a pain, I'm just trying to get internet on my desktop so I can get back to work |
| 16:50.07 | Azar | vladster see how it is recognized by your system, it might be under "hdc" |
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| 16:50.22 | Wyzard | valdyn: Must be... but I checked my DHCP server's logs and it was definitely sending an offer, and I can't think of a good reason why the older client would fail to see that offer |
| 16:50.30 | norton | valdyn: It worked to kill its parent, thank you |
| 16:50.37 | jasoncohen | dns21, just use the module-assistant method- it has scripts to automate the build and it'll make a debian package for you |
| 16:50.40 | jasoncohen | and install it |
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| 16:51.01 | jasoncohen | dns21, apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 16:51.04 | audian | How can I get this ac97 sound working? |
| 16:51.08 | valdyn | !dhcp client |
| 16:51.08 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
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| 16:51.13 | dvs | !ac97 |
| 16:51.14 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 16:51.14 | vladster | oh well lunch time |
| 16:51.22 | valdyn | Wyzard: ^^^^ i dont know the technical details though |
| 16:51.27 | dns21 | I remember installing that.. i'll read up on it |
| 16:51.39 | UnWorldly | what is the code name for testing? |
| 16:51.49 | Wyzard | valdyn: I know, but this is the installer that I'm talking about |
| 16:51.50 | paulswm | etch |
| 16:51.51 | Azar | UnWorldly: etch |
| 16:51.53 | UnWorldly | ty |
| 16:51.54 | paulswm | fucking hell |
| 16:52.01 | ticktoc | my isp doesn't have any news server... can anyone give me info on a 'free' server that provides the debian-* mailing lists? |
| 16:52.01 | valdyn | Wyzard: ah, I see |
| 16:52.06 | dvs | paulswm: What's that web site again? |
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| 16:52.21 | dns21 | jasoncohen, btw, I don't have internet on the desktop right now... |
| 16:52.27 | valdyn | ticktoc: the actual mailing lists? why not use those? |
| 16:52.39 | jasoncohen | dns21, i'm sure you have a wired LAN port...just use that for now |
| 16:52.39 | sdschulze_ | Is there some way to make make apt-get ignore packages that could not be found? |
| 16:52.42 | norton | what happens if init becomes the parent process? |
| 16:52.42 | dns21 | jasoncohen, ethernet isn't possible |
| 16:52.44 | Azar | valdyn, I think he means access to usenet |
| 16:52.54 | audian | how do I install the intel8x0 module? |
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| 16:53.00 | ticktoc | because they are too hard to read/manage in regular mail like evolution.. |
| 16:53.19 | ticktoc | i want to use regular news reader.. |
| 16:53.28 | jasoncohen | dns21, download the packages you need on another machine and put then on a usb key or something |
| 16:53.29 | dns21 | jasoncohen, I do... but I am sharing a connection with some friends upstairs |
| 16:53.34 | green_earz | audian: you can use modconf the install a module |
| 16:53.35 | valdyn | ticktoc: hardly, you filter them by their X-Mailing-List: header entry |
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| 16:53.45 | dns21 | jasoncohen, that is what I have been doing |
| 16:53.47 | jasoncohen | dns21, btw, what wireless card do you have? |
| 16:54.08 | audian | green_earz, modconf didn't do anything |
| 16:54.15 | audian | green_earz, command not found" |
| 16:54.24 | ticktoc | no.. i want to use a news reader.. i already filter them.. but i can't ignore/follow threads with evolution... OK.. |
| 16:54.25 | grml | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.27 | dns21 | jasoncohen, dlink-dwl-g122 |
| 16:54.43 | audian | grml, I want to use alsa, how do I do this? |
| 16:54.48 | ilia | I have a problem. apt-get dist-upgrade on Sid freezes on updating portmap. What to do? |
| 16:54.49 | jasoncohen | dns21, not an atheros? |
| 16:54.51 | ticktoc | sorry if i'm a bit snippy... gf has pissed me off already today.. |
| 16:54.55 | jasoncohen | or prism, right |
| 16:54.58 | dvs | jasoncohen: prism |
| 16:55.04 | green_earz | audian: apt-get install modconf |
| 16:55.08 | jasoncohen | so, wtf is he using ndiswrapper? |
| 16:55.10 | dvs | jasoncohen: at least the A2 revision |
| 16:55.12 | dns21 | jasoncohen, prisma02 |
| 16:55.15 | buerste | which dvd do i need for desktop? only 1st one, or 2nd one too? |
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| 16:55.22 | jasoncohen | is that supported by the prism54 driver? |
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| 16:55.39 | valdyn | buerste: just the first |
| 16:55.46 | dns21 | jasoncohen, not that I am aware of |
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| 16:55.49 | buerste | valdyn, kk |
| 16:55.51 | jasoncohen | oh, ok |
| 16:56.21 | ethics | audian, alsaconf as root |
| 16:56.37 | jasoncohen | dns21, what kernel are you using? |
| 16:56.44 | grml | audian: I think you install alsa-base and alsa-oss or alsa-arts and alsaconf...etc |
| 16:56.45 | delire | any idea why 'mkinitrd -o initrd.img-$(uname -r) $(uname -r)' would suddenly fail to generate an image? i seem to remember doing it that way for years. |
| 16:56.52 | buerste | http://www.microsoft.com/germany/diefakten/default.mspx <-------- sehr parteiisch.... |
| 16:56.57 | buerste | uh sry |
| 16:57.01 | buerste | wrong channel :-D |
| 16:57.18 | paulswm | aaargh he said microsoft |
| 16:57.22 | audian | i already ran alsaconf and I still have no sound |
| 16:57.23 | delire | i see /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf has 'MKIMAGE='mkcramfs %s %s > /dev/null' which looks suspicious |
| 16:57.27 | jasoncohen | dns21, if you're using 2.6.8 you can probably do apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-`uname -r` |
| 16:57.35 | dvs | audian: Did you run the mixer too? |
| 16:57.42 | delire | audian: use 'play file.wav' to be sure |
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| 16:57.50 | jasoncohen | dns21, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ndiswrapper&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 16:57.58 | ticktoc | i guess i'll have to find another channel to get help with this.. |
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| 16:58.13 | jasoncohen | module-assistant is only needed if you're on a custom kernel, a 2.4 kernel or 2.6.11 |
| 16:58.15 | dns21 | jasoncohen, I-cannot-run-apt-get |
| 16:58.22 | audian | what? |
| 16:58.22 | karsten | Can someone explain email to me: I've got ISP problems with a "host lookup timeout" where there's no MX for a specific *host* (though there is for the relevant domain) and my ISP's puking on sending the mail. |
| 16:58.47 | jasoncohen | dns21, you'll need to apt-get -d ndiswrapper-modules-`uname -r` on another machine and copy the .deb over |
| 16:58.50 | green_earz | dns21: have you run apt-get update ? |
| 16:58.51 | jasoncohen | and then dpkg -i |
| 16:58.58 | jasoncohen | dns21, he's not online |
| 16:59.07 | jasoncohen | dns21, he's trying to setup wireless & apparently can't use ethernet |
| 16:59.07 | karsten | ...what's the proper standard for sending mail to a given address? Shouldn't it go direct to host if there's no MX? |
| 16:59.07 | paulswm | dvs: http://bash.org/?38880 |
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| 16:59.41 | bea_ | it is posible to make active a fat particion with linux fdisk? |
| 16:59.41 | jasoncohen | dns21, you'll also need ndiswrapper-utils |
| 16:59.42 | dns21 | I don't have another machine running debian... |
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| 16:59.53 | green_earz | jasoncohen: ok sorry |
| 17:00.00 | dns21 | jasoncohen, I have those 3 files |
| 17:00.05 | dvs | paulswm: You've GOT to be kidding? |
| 17:00.21 | dns21 | I wasn't able to get it to modprobe |
| 17:00.33 | paulswm | dvs: Apparently not, what a dipstick, huh? |
| 17:00.50 | dvs | paulswm: Some people just weren't meant to be sysadmins |
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| 17:01.03 | delire | paulswm hehe jeziz |
| 17:01.11 | dns21 | after adding a /etc/modutils/wlan0 then modules-update, right? |
| 17:01.22 | gorby | Hello, I have just installed vncserver on my debian box which i launch via ssl; How can i make it launch a kde session rather than gnome? |
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| 17:02.05 | paulswm | dvs: also see qotd126 and qotd86 |
| 17:02.12 | jasoncohen | gorby, edit ~/.vnc/xstartup and add startkde & |
| 17:02.13 | delire | gorby: see and or create an ~/.xsession |
| 17:02.20 | delire | gorby: ahah vnc ;) |
| 17:02.24 | jasoncohen | gorby, and remove whatever referred to gnome |
| 17:02.32 | valdyn | gorby: and chmod +x that file ( iirc ) |
| 17:02.42 | gorby | Thank you |
| 17:02.56 | paulswm | delire: How about this one http://bash.org/?6986 |
| 17:03.11 | jasoncohen | dns21, have you looked at this- http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/InstallDebian |
| 17:03.29 | bea_ | it is posible to make active a fat particion with linux fdisk? |
| 17:03.30 | delire | paulswm: immpossible. stupidity has not such depth. |
| 17:03.32 | dvs | paulswm: Now that good! |
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| 17:03.43 | grml | has anyone tried debianpure, does it setup all the whistles and bells properly? |
| 17:03.45 | valdyn | bea_: yes |
| 17:03.49 | delire | paulswm: surely not. there's a t-shirt in that. |
| 17:04.02 | jasoncohen | dns21, you loaded your windows driver before trying to modprobe ndiswrapper, right? |
| 17:04.16 | nichos | hi all - im having trouble w/firefox. I've install it via apt, but when i launch it, i have no menu's, no right click menus, etc. I've rm -rfv ~/.mozilla, sitll not luck. happens under my root profile too - any ideas? |
| 17:04.17 | valdyn | bea_: use a toggle a bootable flag |
| 17:04.19 | paulswm | delire: Yes, I think that *has* to be a troll, but you never know. |
| 17:04.24 | dark_ | anyone can tell me where i can found all the exit status of "ping" ?? |
| 17:04.30 | dns21 | jasoncohen, yes i did |
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| 17:04.43 | delire | paulswm: well it's a gem nonetheless |
| 17:04.58 | dns21 | it shows installed and present |
| 17:05.09 | jasoncohen | and what happens again when you modprobe? |
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| 17:05.33 | jasoncohen | i personally don't like ndiswrapper very much- i use prism54 and madwifi which "just work" |
| 17:05.54 | jasoncohen | copy a firmware file in place for prism..and ./configure && make && make install && modprobe ath_pci for madwifi |
| 17:05.56 | pandres | somedoy knows a way to reinstall all the packages , without actually reinstallying the system? |
| 17:05.58 | valdyn | nichos: rm -r ~/.firefox |
| 17:06.06 | nichos | valdyn they dont use that dir |
| 17:06.13 | jasoncohen | pandres, why do you want to do that? |
| 17:06.13 | paulswm | delire, dvs: Just this one, then I'll stop. http://bash.org/?55591 |
| 17:06.22 | defcon8 | can anyone tell me please how to add the non-us repos and stuff? |
| 17:06.24 | dns21 | diswrapper: disagrees about version of symbol (misc_deregister, dma_alloc_coherent, dma_free_coherent, misc_register) |
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| 17:06.38 | jasoncohen | defcon8, you mean the non-existent non-us repo? |
| 17:06.41 | dns21 | following each of the disagrees... is unknown symbol |
| 17:06.51 | jasoncohen | defcon8, the one in /topic and in the sarge release notes? |
| 17:06.57 | anagramd | Hi all, I'm looking to upgrade my server from Woody to Sid.. what problems will I have if I just edit my sources.list and do a dist-upgrade? |
| 17:07.00 | delire | paulswm hahah, nawww surely not ;) |
| 17:07.13 | valdyn | anagramd: to many, why sid? |
| 17:07.22 | dvs | anagramd: sid for a server?!? |
| 17:07.26 | pandres | jasoncohen: i broke my system making a 'cleanlink' as root, which erased all my empty dirs and dangling simlinks |
| 17:07.35 | dns21 | jasoncohen, would prism54 and madwifi work with prisma02? |
| 17:07.43 | jasoncohen | dns21, i don't know |
| 17:07.46 | bea_ | valdyn: my probem is that i reinstall grub and now xp not boot: "NTLDR is missing" |
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| 17:08.01 | jasoncohen | you have to check that out- madwifi won't - prism might since you said it was based on prism but i just don't know |
| 17:08.03 | anagramd | Valdyn, I need support for some lame packages @ http://rarewares.org/debian.html |
| 17:08.17 | defcon8 | jasoncohen, i just want non gpl stuff like win32codecs and java |
| 17:08.28 | valdyn | bea_: reinstalling grub does not mess with your partition table. |
| 17:08.41 | pandres | jasoncohen: apt-get barely works, I can't install debconf |
| 17:08.43 | jasoncohen | pandres, well, this might not be the best way but you could load up synaptic, choose status, then installed, ctrl -a to highlight all packges, right click and choose re-install all |
| 17:08.53 | Wyzard | defcon8: win32codecs comes from the marillat source, which is currently down. Java comes from the make-jpkg tool, which is currently broken in unstable but should work in stable and testing |
| 17:08.57 | jasoncohen | pandres, choose mark for re-installation |
| 17:08.59 | grml | bea_: you will have to use m$ bootloader to use ntfs5 |
| 17:09.06 | pandres | jasoncohen: ok, thx |
| 17:09.11 | defcon8 | Wyzard, i dont htink i want to build java myself :) |
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| 17:09.20 | jasoncohen | defcon8, you need marillat for that |
| 17:09.30 | defcon8 | naah i just want non gpl stuff really |
| 17:09.34 | jasoncohen | !marillat |
| 17:09.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 17:09.37 | dns21 | jasoncohen, http://prism54.org/phpwiki?pagename=Supported%20Cards -- that list isn't very big... |
| 17:09.41 | Wyzard | defcon8: You're not building Java... it just takes Sun's download (the .bin file), unpacks it, and makes a .deb of it |
| 17:09.44 | defcon8 | im sure ill need other stuff aswell |
| 17:09.53 | jasoncohen | defcon8, marillat has mplayer, w32codecs, acrobat reader, transcode etc. |
| 17:10.00 | valdyn | bea_: read the sarge release notes, /msg dpkg woody->sarge. replace the words "sarge" w/ "sid" in the help texts |
| 17:10.03 | defcon8 | ok great thanks |
| 17:10.16 | valdyn | bea_: and have alot of time ready. |
| 17:10.24 | jasoncohen | defcon8, apt-get install make-jpackage , then make-jpkg j2se-blah.bin |
| 17:10.27 | ethics | defcon8, non-us is now in main...w32codecs are at marillat...not nonus |
| 17:10.42 | jasoncohen | defcon8, sorry apt-get install java-package i think |
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| 17:10.51 | valdyn | anagramd: ops, i told bea_ by mistake, see ^^^ |
| 17:10.52 | pwned | http://rafb.net/paste/results/rRO87E37.html |
| 17:10.54 | defcon8 | ok nvm im dlin g it from the java site |
| 17:11.17 | pandres | jasoncohen: i can't install synaptic, it says my debconf isn-t installed (can install it too) |
| 17:11.26 | Wyzard | Anyone using madwifi... do you use the unofficial packages from debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch? If not, what do you use? |
| 17:11.29 | anagramd | valdyn, thanks. I take it this will be rather hard and break many things |
| 17:11.41 | BernardoSF | hey folks I just installed debian 3.1 on my inspiron laptop ... I'm having several problems now. For once, since I copied I big amount of data to my /home folder i can't create folders/files in /home anymore, it says No Free Space.. ok, deleted that hgue amount of data, and it still says no free space ... /home is mountpoint for a 15gig partition and there's about 14 gigs free now |
| 17:11.50 | valdyn | anagramd: nothing is certain when you use sid. |
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| 17:12.33 | Jeaton | Hi. |
| 17:12.38 | BernardoSF | anyone has an idea? in the status bar it says 'Free Space: 0 bytes' ... what's up with that? I have 14 gigs free on /home |
| 17:12.40 | Jeaton | Is debian another linux distro? |
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| 17:12.48 | Wyzard | BernardoSF: What does "df -h $HOME" say? |
| 17:12.50 | gravity | Jeaton: Yes |
| 17:12.57 | xoz_ | pwned: stable main not stable/main? |
| 17:12.57 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, i just build from source- it's easy and it works and you get the newest CVS for WPA |
| 17:13.03 | grml | BernardoSF: chroot to / |
| 17:13.03 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, do you need WPA? |
| 17:13.06 | valdyn | BernardoSF: space does not get freed automatically when you delete a file, try fuser /that/file |
| 17:13.23 | paulswm | !tell Jeaton about debian |
| 17:13.28 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, if you don't need WPA - /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 17:13.38 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I use WPA, but I don't actually have an Atheros card; I'm just curious since I'm researching wireless support in Linux |
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| 17:13.42 | Jeaton | thanks paulswm |
| 17:13.51 | paulswm | Jeaton: you're welcome |
| 17:13.58 | valdyn | BernardoSF: or lsof /that/file |
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| 17:14.03 | BernardoSF | df -h $HOME says : /dev/hdc6 14G 14G 0 100% /home |
| 17:14.03 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: ah, ok... that factoid is the sort of thing I was looking for, and it does recommend the unofficial apt source I mentioned |
| 17:14.15 | BernardoSF | which is weird because I deleted all those files ... ? |
| 17:14.24 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, yeah- i'm not sure if it supports WPA though.. |
| 17:14.25 | valdyn | BernardoSF: no it isnt weird |
| 17:14.26 | jasoncohen | it's pretty old\ |
| 17:14.29 | jasoncohen | from 23 oct 2004 |
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| 17:14.45 | Wyzard | BernardoSF: You can delete files while a program still has them open, and the space won't actually be freed until the files are closed |
| 17:14.45 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, but current CVS works great with WPA-PSK |
| 17:14.47 | BernardoSF | it's a whole bunch of files, do I need to run lsof or fuser file on all of those files? |
| 17:14.55 | Wyzard | BernardoSF: Probably you still have some program running that has the large file(s) open |
| 17:15.17 | valdyn | BernardoSF: "lsof | grep /home" for example |
| 17:15.19 | xoz_ | BernardoSF: lsof | grep <file> |
| 17:15.24 | BernardoSF | I rebootet several times since then ... and no there was no program using those files, it was mainly mp3's .. |
| 17:15.26 | jasoncohen | pandres, so, what caused you to run cleanlink? |
| 17:15.38 | BernardoSF | ok I'll try |
| 17:15.47 | pandres | jasoncohen: stupidity |
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| 17:16.02 | jasoncohen | pandres, so it removed debhelper? |
| 17:16.13 | jasoncohen | dpkg -l debhelper |
| 17:16.15 | dpkg | ii debhelper 1.6-12.2 jasoncohen's private gamp collection |
| 17:16.29 | jasoncohen | lol |
| 17:16.42 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: What I mostly want to know is my options for using a Linux system as an 802.11g access point with WPA... hostapd supports hostap (but that doesn't do 802.11g, only b), prism54 (but that doesn't support WPA yet) and madwifi (which you're saying also doesn't support WPA well) |
| 17:16.43 | gorby | I use ndiswrapper + wpa with a crappy belkin card (broadcom) works fine.... |
| 17:16.55 | valdyn | BernardoSF: so there's really file(s) filling that disk.. if you have no open files there that should be deleted. |
| 17:17.07 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, it does support WPA well |
| 17:17.13 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, you just have to use the current version |
| 17:17.27 | BernardoSF | ok I ran lsof | grep /home and the files i'm interested in aren't open |
| 17:17.28 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, madwifi doesn't create stable releases. you use their CVS which is stable i found |
| 17:17.31 | gorby | Wyzard: check out the man for kismet, it has a nice explanation of what chips can do what |
| 17:17.44 | pandres | jasoncohen: i don have debhelper, but i have debconf and dpkg |
| 17:17.45 | xoz_ | BernardoSF: try kdirstat |
| 17:18.07 | valdyn | BernardoSF: play with 'du /home' ( see man du ) to find what is taking how much space. |
| 17:18.13 | BernardoSF | ok |
| 17:18.24 | pwned | xoz_: no that's a parse error |
| 17:18.29 | jasoncohen | pandres, can you do apt-get install --reinstall debconf dpkg apt |
| 17:18.37 | xoz_ | pwned: try apt-setup |
| 17:18.38 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: OK... I'd prefer to use packaged software if possible, but I'm not going to be building this system for a few months anyway, so I just need to look into whether the unofficial packaged madwifi drivers support WPA |
| 17:18.43 | pwned | xoz_: why? |
| 17:18.54 | xoz_ | pwned: maybe change your source list? |
| 17:18.55 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, i haven't tried |
| 17:18.59 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Thanks for your help |
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| 17:19.05 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, do you want me to check for you? |
| 17:19.07 | paulswm | BernardoSF: du -sk /home/*|sort -n will put the biggest dirs at the bottom, then follow the trail on down the tree |
| 17:19.10 | pwned | xoz_: I am adding an external list. |
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| 17:19.25 | pwned | my official repository works fine |
| 17:19.30 | pandres | jasoncohen: i cant , it says it cannot get debconf version |
| 17:19.36 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Nah, don't worry about it |
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| 17:20.12 | xoz_ | kdirstat gives a much better graphical view pleasing to the eye |
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| 17:21.10 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, it's not a big deal- i'm installing now |
| 17:21.31 | vladster | Bouy I just go to get a beef and brie sandwich and be polite enough to say I am away from tyhe keyboard and people get offended |
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| 17:22.18 | vladster | Ther is an IRC client for emacs? |
| 17:22.26 | caphuso | vladster: several |
| 17:23.04 | jazzmanss | vladster, there are so many people here, that if everyone said when they were 'away' there would be nothing here but useless messages. |
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| 17:23.20 | vladster | ok |
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| 17:23.24 | geordie | vladster: rcirc |
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| 17:23.34 | vladster | I was just trying to be polite |
| 17:23.42 | riteshsarraf | Does the qmail package in Debian have auth support ? |
| 17:24.10 | vladster | I need a windows text mode client for work but I don't like to use bitchx |
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| 17:24.38 | Virtual | Anybody can tell me a good tool to adjust the cpu frequncy on my laptop to save battery power ? |
| 17:24.39 | dns21 | irssi |
| 17:24.46 | FieldySnuts | !anybody |
| 17:24.46 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 17:24.47 | BernardoSF | thanks guys ... kdirstat showed me everything! I still had a bunch of files in the folder. gone now! thanks |
| 17:24.53 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, sorry, i was right |
| 17:24.59 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, you'l need to build from source |
| 17:25.02 | valdyn | Virtual: powernowd and laptop-mode |
| 17:25.04 | vladster | ok , I have a dvdrecorder, I cannot get it to mount under hdc |
| 17:25.14 | valdyn | Virtual: powernowd and laptop-mode-tools |
| 17:25.17 | Virtual | valdyn: I can`t seem to get powernowd to work |
| 17:25.20 | BernardoSF | I just couldn't see them as non-root cause I moved them there as root ... don't know what I screwed up :) |
| 17:25.24 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: OK, thanks |
| 17:25.26 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, actually, there's another source of unofficial packages that has daily CVS builds but i personally find the source adequate |
| 17:25.34 | Azar | vladster, maybe rename hdc as cdrom? |
| 17:25.35 | valdyn | Virtual: thats probably not powernowd's fault |
| 17:25.37 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, you could always checkinstall -D |
| 17:25.41 | vladster | Is ther a place to paste my fstab to to show if there are any errors in it? |
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| 17:25.46 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, that way you could move the binary to another machine and install there |
| 17:25.58 | oKtosiTe | vladster: #flood |
| 17:26.02 | valdyn | Virtual: load the driver for your cpu, load the userspace governor module and then you can run whatever tool |
| 17:26.07 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Well, I'll just wait and hope that the unofficial package gets updated before the time comes for me to actually build this AP system :-) |
| 17:26.38 | zignig | fnord |
| 17:26.40 | xoz_ | BernardoSF: if you run kdirstat in sudo, check your .ICEauthority permission |
| 17:26.42 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: And possibly even longer... I don't actually *need* a Linux AP; I just want to use WPA-TLS rather than WPA-PSK, and don't want to pay for a high-end "enterprise" AP device |
| 17:27.03 | Virtual | valdyn: the driver is loaded and I loaded cpufreq-userspace |
| 17:27.41 | vladster | ok, I put it there, |
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| 17:28.06 | valdyn | Virtual: look at /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ |
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| 17:28.34 | elirips | hello people. is it somehow possible to make debian automatically mount usb-memory-sticks as soon as they are pluged in? |
| 17:28.36 | Virtual | valdyn: No such file or directory |
| 17:28.49 | valdyn | Virtual: does /sys exist? |
| 17:28.55 | Virtual | yes |
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| 17:29.14 | valdyn | Virtual: 'uname -r' ? |
| 17:29.22 | Wyzard | elirips: GNOME and KDE can do that with 2.6 kernels |
| 17:29.31 | Virtual | valdyn: it exists /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/ |
| 17:29.42 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, i find WPA-PSK sufficient. if you want more, you would probably be better off having people connect to the AP and then require a VPN to connect to the internal LAN |
| 17:29.42 | Virtual | valdyn: 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 17:30.11 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, i did that with openvpn |
| 17:30.11 | valdyn | Virtual: alright. Which files exist in that directory? |
| 17:30.13 | elirips | Wyzard: kde 3.3 from sarge with a 2.6 kernel from sarge? can you give me a keyword? |
| 17:30.19 | Virtual | valdyn: none |
| 17:30.24 | defcon8 | that marillat ftp site isnt working. what to do? |
| 17:30.26 | Virtual | completely empty |
| 17:30.32 | jasoncohen | defcon8, it's not working right now |
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| 17:30.40 | jasoncohen | defcon8, you picked a bad time to install from marillat |
| 17:30.43 | valdyn | Virtual: you dont have the proper cpufreq driver loaded |
| 17:30.53 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I have few enough users (my family and a few friends) that WPA-PSK would be adequate, but WPA-TLS is shiny and I'd like to try it out :-) |
| 17:30.53 | valdyn | Virtual: your cpu is? |
| 17:31.08 | Virtual | valdyn: Intel Pentium III Mobile 1200Mhz |
| 17:31.21 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, this guy also has very recent CVS builds of madwifi for debian + instructions =- http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi |
| 17:31.31 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I've throught about the OpenVPN option, and it's still a possibility, but I like the fact that WPA-TLS is natively supported by current versions of Windows, without needing to install additional software |
| 17:31.34 | defcon8 | ok jasoncohen :( any guesstimations on when itll go up again? |
| 17:31.57 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, i've setup openvpn on xp- it's quite easy |
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| 17:32.12 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, i made the client config files and keys on linux and then copied it over using SSH or a usb kye |
| 17:32.15 | jasoncohen | *key |
| 17:32.23 | valdyn | Virtual: try 'modprobe acpi' |
| 17:32.35 | Virtual | valdyn: ok but I already have that in /etc/modules |
| 17:32.42 | jasoncohen | defcon8, when the server is up, heh- http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 17:32.47 | jasoncohen | defcon8, maybe he'll have some info |
| 17:32.49 | Virtual | valdyn: I did that, now what? |
| 17:32.53 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I know, I've set up OpenVPN (though not on Windows), but it's still one extra thing to install |
| 17:32.55 | valdyn | Virtual: i need to see the message you get when that module is loaded |
| 17:32.57 | defcon8 | ahh nvm |
| 17:33.09 | Virtual | valdyn: none |
| 17:33.10 | BernardoSF | another question guys ... I used ndiswrapper to get my mn-720 wireless pcmcia card to work, and it works just great ... two problems with it though ... ndiswrapper just doesn't load the drivers during bootup, although the module is correctly installed, so I have to manuallly unload and reload the module with modconf once I'm logged in ... I heard it might be the builtin ehternet adapter that's causing problems? how do i go at it? |
| 17:33.13 | jethro | Wyzard: 802.1x auth and either tkip/ccmp encryption is rather easy to setup with hostapd and freeradius for the ap side |
| 17:33.17 | valdyn | Virtual: first remove it, then insert it so you can see the message |
| 17:33.23 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: This is purely an if-possible, for-fun project; the alternative is to just buy a cheap home-user AP and use WPA-PSK like most people do |
| 17:33.28 | Virtual | valdyn: how do I remove it ? |
| 17:33.39 | valdyn | Virtual: modprobe -r acpi |
| 17:33.44 | Wyzard | jethro: Good to hear :-) |
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| 17:33.58 | jethro | Wyzard: that's what I use here |
| 17:34.00 | Wyzard | jethro: I also need to establish a CA of some sort |
| 17:34.05 | Virtual | valdyn: when i`m trying to remove : FATAL: Module acpi_cpufreq is in use. |
| 17:34.21 | Wyzard | jethro: Do you use a CA packge, or just run openssl/certtool manually? |
| 17:34.23 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, there are no known vulnerabilities on WPA-PSK except for dictionary password attacks which is easily fixed with a randomly generated/long passphrase |
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| 17:34.28 | valdyn | Virtual: lsmod to see by what |
| 17:34.29 | jethro | Wyzard: you want signed certificates if you plan to use eap-tls , yes. |
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| 17:34.42 | buerste | is there a list or sth similar showing the first debian dvd's content? |
| 17:34.53 | jethro | jasoncohen: psk is flawed by design |
| 17:34.54 | Wyzard | jethro: I know of PyCA, but that's apparently unmaintained now |
| 17:34.55 | thomas_adam | buerste: Download it, and mount it on loopback. |
| 17:35.01 | awad | hey all |
| 17:35.12 | jasoncohen | jethro, wel, it tries to protect itself by chaning keys often |
| 17:35.15 | jethro | Wyzard: I use openssl, that's all |
| 17:35.17 | Virtual | valdyn: acpi_cpufreq used by 1 .... freq_table used by acpi_cpufreq |
| 17:35.17 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: With PSK, if you want to revoke someone's access to the network, you have to change the password and tell everyone (except the revoked user) the new one |
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| 17:35.19 | jasoncohen | which makes it difficult to connect to the network |
| 17:35.24 | Wyzard | jethro: OK, thanks |
| 17:35.41 | valdyn | Virtual: modprobe -r freq_table |
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| 17:35.45 | valdyn | Virtual: modprobe -r acpi |
| 17:35.47 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: With WPA-TLS, you can just revoke that user's certificate and not have to touch anyone else's config |
| 17:35.59 | Virtual | valdyn: freq_table is in use |
| 17:36.01 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, which is why i suggested openvpn with public key authentication you can just add them to the CRL |
| 17:36.20 | jethro | jasoncohen: that's what I'd call a workaround. |
| 17:36.34 | valdyn | Virtual: paste output of lsmod in #flood please |
| 17:36.35 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, heh, but if it's only your family, that shouldn't be a big problem |
| 17:36.56 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: But with less than ten users or so, forcing that extra indirection on everyone is as much of an inconvenience as just changing PSK passwords :-) |
| 17:36.57 | jasoncohen | jethro, i didn't say WPA-PSK was good. it's just good enough for most home users |
| 17:36.59 | Virtual | valdyn: ok but just a sec to open a irc client from the laptop as I am on desktop right now |
| 17:37.16 | jasoncohen | jethro, 60% of APs have no encryption and most of the rest have WEP which can be broken w/o any effort |
| 17:37.27 | jethro | jasoncohen: so what? |
| 17:37.30 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: so it's either WPA-TLS if possible, or WPA-PSK otherwise |
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| 17:38.19 | Virtual | valdyn: wait a second, after I loaded acpi I tryed : /etc/init.d/powernowd start and it started successfully this time, it is not installed? |
| 17:38.31 | awad | anybody want to help me create the final unix? www.senseos.org/sos.pdf -- i think now is the right time lah ... |
| 17:38.31 | jasoncohen | jethro, chances are, if you have WPA-PSK, you won't be bothered. it's easy enough to crack WEP or to use any of the unencrypted networks everywhere. |
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| 17:38.47 | jasoncohen | and if you need more security ,then you're probably not a regular home user |
| 17:38.49 | valdyn | Virtual: eh? |
| 17:39.14 | njbair | i'm running gentoo, but i really like the default xcursor set that comes with debian. where can i find it? |
| 17:39.16 | jasoncohen | in which case you could use an enterprise solution, get true 802.11i or use vpn |
| 17:39.26 | leonel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.32 | leonel | any news about spamassasin bug fix from debian-security ? |
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| 17:40.03 | jasoncohen | leonel, the fix was sent to debian security on the 16th of june or earlier and they've done nothing so far |
| 17:40.20 | Wyzard | jethro: Actually, even if I don't do the WPA-TLS thing, I'd still like to do the CA stuff so I can run OpenVPN in proper "server" mode |
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| 17:40.25 | jasoncohen | leonel, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314447 |
| 17:40.25 | Virtual | valdyn: look in #flood |
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| 17:40.30 | leonel | jasoncohen, so debian-security is not working ? |
| 17:40.38 | valdyn | Virtual: i did |
| 17:40.41 | Wyzard | jethro: Not OpenVPN for wireless users like jasoncohen suggested, but for remote access when I'm away from home |
| 17:40.53 | Virtual | valdyn: so... is it ok now ? |
| 17:40.54 | valdyn | Virtual: look at your frequency... cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:41.02 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, i was amazed at how easy it was to setup a CA and create client certificates/encrypted keys |
| 17:41.11 | jasoncohen | the easy rsa method is really easy |
| 17:41.20 | jethro | jasoncohen: you could use the same certs for both |
| 17:41.31 | jasoncohen | yes |
| 17:41.34 | jethro | err |
| 17:41.40 | Virtual | valdyn: it is only 797.546 |
| 17:41.40 | jethro | meant to say that to Wyzard sorry |
| 17:41.44 | Virtual | so I guess it worked |
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| 17:41.57 | valdyn | Virtual: so everything is working, but we did nothing? |
| 17:41.58 | jasoncohen | jethro, he doesn't want to install the software on the windows machines i think |
| 17:42.06 | Wyzard | jethro: I know... and I probably would |
| 17:42.11 | jethro | Wyzard: :) |
| 17:42.11 | jasoncohen | leonel, maybe they're on a month vacation? |
| 17:42.17 | jasoncohen | they haven't done crap in 3 + weeks |
| 17:42.21 | valdyn | Virtual: at least not according to the feedback you gave me. |
| 17:42.22 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I do kinda wish OpenCA (http://www.openca.org/) was packaged |
| 17:42.36 | vladster | looks like I will be compiling source for the card |
| 17:42.43 | Virtual | valdyn: acually it was my bad I think, after you suggested to modprobe acpi it worked so I must have missed that module, let me check /etc/modules |
| 17:43.00 | Virtual | valdyn: yes, I have entered ac instead of acpi |
| 17:43.12 | valdyn | Virtual: alright, nice |
| 17:43.13 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, did you use openvpn 1.6 or 2.0 in server/client mode with public keys? |
| 17:43.18 | Virtual | valdyn: thank you for your time |
| 17:43.27 | jasoncohen | openvpn has great documentation |
| 17:43.30 | jasoncohen | http://openvpn.net/howto.html |
| 17:44.01 | leonel | jasoncohen, that sucks |
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| 17:44.19 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I have 2.0 and it's already set up, but I'm currently using it with pre-shared keys, in the mode that requires a separate daemon per client |
| 17:44.40 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I'd like to use it in the new server mode that supports multiple clients, but that requires using certificates, so I need to do that |
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| 17:45.06 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, it really isnt' that difficult |
| 17:45.20 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I know... just haven't gotten around to it :-) |
| 17:45.21 | jasoncohen | you can create 10 client certs in a few minutes |
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| 17:47.56 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: When I first looked into it, I thought I'd use PyCA but found its configuration a little confusing, but when I went back to the site a few days ago I found a note from the developer saying that he's not working on it anymore |
| 17:48.28 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: so I guess I'll just do it manually, or maybe write a little mini-CA program of my own |
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| 17:51.06 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, you can make keys with openvpn's script |
| 17:51.14 | jasoncohen | http://openvpn.net/howto.html |
| 17:51.23 | jasoncohen | they have scripts to build the root CA, create the server & client keys etc. |
| 17:51.24 | Wyzard | thanks |
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| 17:51.38 | jasoncohen | look for "Setting up your own Certificate Authority (CA) and generating certificates and keys for an OpenVPN server and multiple clients" |
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| 17:53.54 | nathan_ | I'm using a transparent proxy (squid) alongside nocat for authentication, i used the following rule to redirect traffic to the transparent proxy, it works fine except a user can manually enter the proxy into the browser and it bypasses nocat, i tried blocking port 8080 on the nocat interface but then nothing works... anyone know of a way round this? here's the rule: 'iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080' |
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| 17:55.10 | Azar | nathan_ maybe you could set the browser to not use proxies |
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| 17:55.28 | nathan_ | Azar: i dont' have access to the clients, this is a wifi hotspot |
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| 17:56.08 | Azar | nathan_ you say you cannot get to the browser settings? |
| 17:56.16 | nathan_ | Azar: indeed |
| 17:56.31 | Azar | nathan_, well that is not good |
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| 17:57.36 | nathan_ | Azar: the strange thing is... the redirect rule says 'anything passes through port 80' not connecting to, so i cant understand why blocking port 8080 stops everything |
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| 17:58.08 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, debian is weird. after cp -a /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa /etc/openvpn you need to gunzip openssl.cnf |
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| 17:58.18 | jasoncohen | gunzip openssl.cnf.gz |
| 17:58.21 | Azar | nathan_ the way I remember there are other ports to use proxy as well, not only 8080 |
| 17:58.26 | nathan_ | it's not like the clients are directly connecting to port 80 on the router so why would they need access to 8080 when using a PREROUTING rule |
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| 17:58.35 | jasoncohen | otherwise, openssl can't read the file |
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| 17:58.44 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Well, I'll be using gnutls's certtool, not openssl |
| 17:59.01 | jasoncohen | i just follow the openvpn instructions and it works, heh |
| 17:59.12 | Azar | nathan_ , personally I block the proxy option on the browser then I restrict users access to its settings |
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| 17:59.48 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I'll read them to see the sequence of operations I need to perform, but not for an exact verbatim sequence of commands to type |
| 18:00.02 | nathan_ | Azar: i wish i could :) |
| 18:00.17 | intension | nathan_ how do you block port 8080 ? |
| 18:00.20 | jasoncohen | i wanted to see how long it would take to create a CA server, a server cert and a few client certs...less than 5 minutes |
| 18:00.20 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: That's a good way to ensure that I actually understand what I'm doing :-) |
| 18:00.23 | Azar | nathan_ see if you can get any results by configuring the router |
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| 18:00.43 | roman | hi |
| 18:00.46 | roman | need help |
| 18:00.47 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: and I do plan on eventually writing a little command-line Python program or something, to help automate the CA stuff |
| 18:00.56 | jasoncohen | cool |
| 18:01.05 | nathan_ | initech: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 10.10.10.0/24 --dport 8080 -j DROP |
| 18:01.10 | roman | somebody have 3 min? |
| 18:01.21 | Wyzard | roman: Ask a question |
| 18:01.28 | nathan_ | Azar: the box /is/ the router! |
| 18:01.39 | initech | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.43 | Wyzard | roman: Nobody's going to commit to helping with a problem without even knowing what it is |
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| 18:02.10 | nathan_ | intension: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 10.10.10.0/24 --dport 8080 -j DROP |
| 18:02.12 | intension | nathan_ de dnat rule is done first by iptables |
| 18:02.16 | nathan_ | initech: im a tab whore, sorry |
| 18:02.34 | initech | oh |
| 18:02.40 | nathan_ | intension: so its my block rule at fault |
| 18:02.41 | Wyzard | roman: Why are you trying to DCC chat me? |
| 18:02.46 | Wyzard | roman: Just ask your question in the channel |
| 18:02.50 | Wyzard | !tell roman about ask |
| 18:02.53 | roman | ok |
| 18:03.00 | roman | sorry |
| 18:03.07 | jim | !tell roman about sicco |
| 18:03.09 | intension | nathan_ you can block port 80 |
| 18:03.11 | roman | to dont take time of others :) |
| 18:03.13 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, why would the debian maintainer include a config file as a .gz file? |
| 18:03.20 | roman | i need on my mail server |
| 18:03.21 | jim | roman: /topic |
| 18:03.27 | jasoncohen | it's not like a README that can be used in that format. it must be uncompressed to be used |
| 18:03.28 | roman | when spec user send mail |
| 18:03.32 | Azar | hi him :) |
| 18:03.34 | roman | same mail to be |
| 18:03.36 | roman | cc to me |
| 18:03.40 | shingouz | !tell roman about enter |
| 18:03.42 | jim | ji jim! |
| 18:03.55 | initech | nathan_: i was about to say, since that is very similar to my priv network - 10.10.-/23 - though. I was like what the fuck? |
| 18:03.57 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: No idea |
| 18:03.59 | shingouz | is it sunday yet? :p |
| 18:04.10 | nathan_ | intension: using the rule 'iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080 ' how could i safely block port 8080 on eth1 so the redirect works but the client can't access port 8080 directly ? |
| 18:04.33 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, the maintainer also doesn't include gunzip openssl.cnf.gz as a step in his readme. should i report a bug? |
| 18:04.37 | Wyzard | roman: That depends on what mailserveryou're using, for one thing |
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| 18:04.44 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Wouldn't be a bad idea |
| 18:04.52 | JenClo | hi |
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| 18:04.57 | roman | sendmail |
| 18:05.19 | Wyzard | roman: Are you sure you're actually using sendmail, and not Exim (which is the default in Debian) ? |
| 18:05.29 | roman | y |
| 18:05.35 | roman | i install it |
| 18:05.41 | Wyzard | roman: ok |
| 18:05.45 | Supaplex | !y |
| 18:05.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 18:05.50 | jim | what happened to exim when you did that? |
| 18:05.50 | roman | to find solution for friend |
| 18:06.00 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, i see why he didn't |
| 18:06.03 | Wyzard | roman: Well, first of all, the reason Sendmail *isn't* the default in Debian is because it's needlessly complex and has a history of security problems :-) |
| 18:06.05 | intension | nathan_ a port is either open or closed ... |
| 18:06.09 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, he says to tell it to use your system's openssl.cnf file |
| 18:06.12 | Wyzard | roman: I'd suggest using Exim |
| 18:06.16 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: ah, ok |
| 18:06.28 | Wyzard | roman: or maybe Postfix... some people like that, though I haven't used it myself |
| 18:06.29 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, i prefer to use openvpn's openssl.cnf because it uses variables for key bit size which are based on settings in var |
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| 18:06.36 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, so i only have to edit one file |
| 18:06.38 | hcy | anybody know anything about using edonkey2000 ? I had it running, it stalled, so i restarted it and all my in-progress downloads are lost. They still exist in the temp directory, but in the transfers screen i don't see anything. how can i get them to resume? |
| 18:06.51 | roman | its ok when i will need, but now i am helping a friend |
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| 18:07.03 | jim | that's not even part of his stated problem tho,,, he just wants mail to user A to be sent to A and B iiuc |
| 18:07.06 | nathan_ | intension: the redirect is capturing traffic through port 80 (im running a transparent proxy) so the clients arent directly connecting to port 80 or 8080, or am i missing something in my logic ? |
| 18:07.12 | roman | who has sendmail |
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| 18:07.27 | Wyzard | roman: Your friend specifically needs sendmail, and replaced exim with sendmail on purpose? |
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| 18:07.51 | jim | your friend is running debian? :) |
| 18:07.52 | roman | actualy he is using suse with sendmail |
| 18:08.08 | roman | in a firm with 100 users |
| 18:08.13 | Wyzard | roman: Then #debian isn't an appropriate place to ask... but #sendmail would probably be better than #suse for that question |
| 18:08.16 | roman | and he will not replace it |
| 18:08.18 | shingouz | roman: ask in #suse then |
| 18:08.32 | JenClo | anybody know anything about using "ffnms" ? |
| 18:08.35 | roman | i am asking about sendmail |
| 18:08.40 | roman | on debian |
| 18:08.44 | jim | then #sendmail |
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| 18:08.56 | roman | :) thanks |
| 18:09.12 | Wyzard | roman: Asking about Sendmail on Debian is appropriate here, but you'll probably have a hard time finding Debian users who use it |
| 18:09.19 | intension | nathan_ your client may or may not connect , thatsup to you. You can filter out src destination |
| 18:09.26 | jim | but you probably just need to put a .forward file |
| 18:09.57 | defcon8 | is there an equiv of netlimiter for linux? |
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| 18:10.32 | jim | Wyzard: well, but his problem domain is sendmail on suse, and not many here would know about that |
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| 18:11.29 | defcon8 | anyone? |
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| 18:11.54 | jim | roman: tell your friend to look into .forward files and procmail as two potential solutions |
| 18:11.59 | aurax | can anyone hook me up with good gateway/dhcp how-to |
| 18:12.00 | aurax | ? |
| 18:12.01 | JenClo | debcon8: tc |
| 18:12.11 | Wyzard | jim: He left |
| 18:12.16 | jim | ahh |
| 18:12.53 | aurax | anyone ? |
| 18:13.07 | paulswm | Oh, woe is me, for I have turned my box 'eeyore' into a boat anchor. |
| 18:13.13 | jim | aurax: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 18:13.18 | paulswm | !lart devfs |
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| 18:14.42 | JenClo | defconf8: http://lartc.org/howto/ |
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| 18:15.52 | delire | can someone please paste line 21 of their /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf |
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| 18:16.03 | aurax | jim: /msg dpkg <3 my anus. |
| 18:16.16 | Wyzard | delire: MKIMAGE='mkcramfs %s %s > /dev/null' |
| 18:16.25 | delire | Wyzard: hmm, cheers |
| 18:16.29 | jim | aurax: way to get people to want to help you |
| 18:17.08 | aurax | bwaha |
| 18:17.13 | jim | btw, I can't help it if you're latent... |
| 18:17.30 | paulswm | Wyzard: I'm trying to remove it, it's a legacy thing, lvm needed it at one time |
| 18:17.44 | Wyzard | aurax: The "smart questions" note wasn't meant as an insult... your question isn't clear about what sort of information you're looking for |
| 18:17.57 | aurax | also the <3 my anus |
| 18:18.06 | aurax | lots of people <3 their anus |
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| 18:18.42 | aurax | can anyone direct me to a good simple gateway+dhcp howto (:) |
| 18:19.00 | Wyzard | aurax: You're trying to set up a gateway and a DHCP server? |
| 18:19.00 | ska | Hi, does anyone knows how to configure and old neomagik sound card (compaq presario 1920)in sarge? this seems to be very trick |
| 18:19.08 | delire | anyone have an idea as to why 'mkinitrd -o initrd.img-$(uname -r) $(uname -r)' might suddenly not generate initrd.img's anymore? no errors are returned. |
| 18:19.27 | aurax | i want the debian to be gateway to the internet (2 lan 1-interet 2-internal), with dhcp to assign ip's automaticlly. |
| 18:19.37 | Seb | delire: it does return 0 ? |
| 18:19.45 | delire | Seb: no, strangely not |
| 18:20.00 | jim | delire: what error status does it return? |
| 18:20.03 | Wyzard | aurax: A package such as "ipmasq" will take care of the gatewaying part |
| 18:20.06 | delire | jim: none at all |
| 18:20.09 | Seb | aurax: try installing firestarter, or read the netfilter howto |
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| 18:20.11 | shingouz | we should have a resident spambot that is triggered with the word 'anyone' just to shoot off a few factoids to people who use the word anyone |
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| 18:20.28 | Seb | jim: heya |
| 18:20.28 | delire | jim: it waits and then returns me to the prompt, as it always has. |
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| 18:20.35 | jim | Hiya seb |
| 18:20.38 | Seb | shingouz: co-sign |
| 18:20.42 | aurax | firestarter can handle filtering between two cards? |
| 18:20.44 | Wyzard | aurax: For the DHCP, install dhcp3-server |
| 18:20.59 | Seb | delire: so what does it return ? mkinitrd.... ; echo $? |
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| 18:21.08 | Wyzard | aurax: firestarter is overkill |
| 18:21.15 | repl | when i use the debian-sarge-amd64-netinstall cd image, it cannot find my SATA hard drive ("No partionable media were found") |
| 18:21.17 | aurax | okay |
| 18:21.19 | repl | any ideas? |
| 18:21.20 | Seb | aurax: try it out, or as I said if you wanna learn, read the netfilter howto |
| 18:21.31 | Wyzard | aurax: not to mention that it pulls in most of GNOME, which isn't really desirable on a gateway box |
| 18:21.35 | Seb | repl: try #debian-boot |
| 18:21.38 | delire | Seb: absolutely nothing. in that sense return 0 yes. |
| 18:21.56 | aurax | so what do you recommand |
| 18:21.59 | Seb | delire: dude, copy that line I gave you |
| 18:22.03 | Wyzard | aurax: ipmasq is meant to be simple and do this specific task |
| 18:22.24 | jim | delire: every process will return an exit status; find out how to get your shell to tell you the exit status of the most recently executed command |
| 18:22.46 | Seb | delire: and tell us what this initrd command *returns*. Not what it *prints to stdout*, but what it _returns_. Like a return code, y'know ? |
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| 18:23.12 | jim | Seb: btw, the debian-boot people are requesting that all help traffic be directed to the list rather than the irc channel |
| 18:23.29 | Seb | jim: oh i see, didn't know that. Thx for the nudge. |
| 18:23.35 | jim | np |
| 18:23.48 | Wyzard | aurax: For DHCP, install dhcp3-server and see http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DHCP/ |
| 18:24.05 | delire | Seb: yes, Seb i know. there *is* nothing returned. i'm going to poke it into gdb |
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| 18:24.22 | Wyzard | aurax: Section 3 of that document is done for you by the package, so you can skip to section 4 |
| 18:24.23 | Seb | delire: obviously you don't know. |
| 18:24.33 | aurax | okay |
| 18:24.33 | jim | delire: find out what an "exit status" is |
| 18:24.45 | Seb | delire: so, once more, tell us what "mkinitrd ... ; echo $?" prints |
| 18:24.47 | delire | jim: for god sakes i know what an exit status is. |
| 18:24.58 | Seb | delire: then don't tell us it's fucking nothing |
| 18:25.02 | delire | Seb: it prints '$' |
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| 18:25.05 | jim | if you did you would know that ALL processes return them |
| 18:25.06 | Wyzard | aurax: Oops, I'm sorry... section 3 is for client setup; just install dhcp3-client on the other boxes on your LAN |
| 18:25.27 | jim | it's not what it -prints- |
| 18:25.27 | Seb | delire: no, it will print a number. What shell are you using ? |
| 18:25.32 | delire | Seb: zsh |
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| 18:25.56 | Seb | delire: good, so this "mkinitrd ... ; echo $?" will print a number last |
| 18:25.58 | jim | delire: you program in C at all? |
| 18:26.00 | Seb | delire: tell us what this number is |
| 18:26.05 | delire | Seb: any other app prints the requisite exit statuses. mkinitrd doesn't. |
| 18:26.10 | thomas_adam | How can he use zsh and not have a clue? |
| 18:26.16 | delire | jim: yes, from time to time |
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| 18:26.33 | Seb | delire: you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about |
| 18:26.35 | ar3dam | hi there.. ihave problem with grub.... not cant started my linux, what i can do it? |
| 18:26.44 | thomas_adam | ar3dam: Ask #grub. |
| 18:26.48 | Seb | delire: just type the line I gave, and tell us what number gets printed on the last line of output |
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| 18:27.19 | jim | delire: consider this program... #include <stdio.h> int main(void) { printf("hello world\n"); return 0; } |
| 18:27.25 | delire | Seb: it doesn't print anything, any other program does. no matter. gdb is revealing something else is afoot. |
| 18:27.46 | delire | jim: not even 0 is returned. no exit code |
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| 18:27.58 | Seb | delire: motherfucker, echo $? will print something, now stop being a twat |
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| 18:28.15 | Seb | how fucking stubborn can he fucking be... |
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| 18:28.27 | thomas_adam | I don't know, but language, language.... |
| 18:28.29 | delire | Seb: no need to be rude Seb. |
| 18:28.45 | jim | ok, let's give him the benefit of the doubt for at least a sec |
| 18:28.59 | Seb | must be why |
| 18:29.02 | Seb | sorry fr olanguage |
| 18:29.14 | jim | delire: what do you think is happening according to gdb? |
| 18:29.18 | Seb | but still, no matter what goes on with mkinitrd, echo $? *will* print |
| 18:29.29 | delire | jim: i have found the issue with mkinitrd. i now have 12 zombie processes. it was a bad script defined in /etc/mkinitrd/scripts/ |
| 18:29.50 | delire | my bad script ;) |
| 18:29.51 | b00 | hey, is there a limit on the size of bz2 file that you can create ? it always crashes for me about when it reaches 400+ mb. And, its not b/s I dont have space on my hd |
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| 18:30.10 | delire | i have no idea why i was returned to the prompt albeit. |
| 18:30.10 | jim | oh :) so they didn't return exit statae because they never returned at all :) |
| 18:30.21 | delire | hehe yep. sorry about the fuzz ;) |
| 18:30.21 | Wyzard | b00: I've made bz2 files bigger than that |
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| 18:30.55 | b00 | hmm |
| 18:31.09 | jim | they seem to have backgrounded themselves, or else disconnected themselves from their terminal |
| 18:31.21 | b00 | Wyzard: kinda dont see why would it break. I guess will have to look at it more carefully |
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| 18:31.31 | Seb | b00: strace it ? |
| 18:31.46 | b00 | yea |
| 18:31.49 | delire | jim: as though an 'mkinitrd &; disown' |
| 18:31.50 | jim | Seb: but that's not the behavior he observed... somehow he got back to his shell |
| 18:31.51 | b00 | uuuuu, looong trace |
| 18:32.30 | Seb | jim: then echo $? will have printed something |
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| 18:32.55 | Seb | jim: even if it;s the RC from the previous command, and as such not exactly what we were epxecting, there owuld have been something printed |
| 18:33.05 | jim | Seb: unless the line was somehow and silently aborted... |
| 18:33.16 | Wyzard | b00: btw, if you're compressing very large files, you might want to take a look at rzip |
| 18:33.18 | delire | which is what happened. odd |
| 18:33.28 | Seb | jim: can't :) it defetas the shell rules |
| 18:34.01 | Seb | jim: foo ; bar says do bar one foo returns; so either foo hangs, and you don;t get the promp tback, or foo returns or backgrounds, and then you do bar |
| 18:34.08 | jim | seb: so you're saying that given what's been observed, there's some weird bug in zsh? |
| 18:34.10 | Seb | s/one foo/one foo/ |
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| 18:34.18 | Seb | jim: if he;s being honest, yeah |
| 18:34.42 | delire | Seb: thanks for the vote of confidence there Seb.. |
| 18:34.48 | EspeonEefi | dfd |
| 18:34.52 | Seb | delire: you know it |
| 18:34.54 | delire | jim: yep it's fine in the bash..! |
| 18:35.18 | EspeonEefi | Whoops...ignore that. |
| 18:35.25 | Seb | delire: so make sure you report the bug, now |
| 18:35.34 | jim | delire: it looks to me like you know the conditions under which this bug can be reproduced |
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| 18:35.39 | Wyzard | EspeonEefi: If that was a password, it's a horribly short one |
| 18:35.45 | Seb | heh |
| 18:35.46 | delire | jim: i can reproduce this yes |
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| 18:36.08 | jim | you could either try to boil down, or just give them what you did |
| 18:36.26 | paulswm | !qotd39 |
| 18:36.26 | dpkg | [qotd39] <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password |
| 18:36.34 | EspeonEefi | Wyzard: Was trying to figure out what these undocumented commands mean. Apparently /amsg send the message to all channels I'm in. :D |
| 18:36.36 | jim | including the mkinitrd invocation and your script that you fixed |
| 18:36.43 | paulswm | oops, sorry |
| 18:36.45 | Wyzard | EspeonEefi: ah :-) |
| 18:37.07 | delire | jim: will do.. |
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| 18:38.07 | jim | and since seb isn't quite convinced, file the bug and get back to us with the bug number please |
| 18:38.15 | Seb | heh |
| 18:38.18 | Seb | yeah, do that |
| 18:38.20 | delire | jim: hehe sure ;) |
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| 18:38.55 | delire | jim: just grepping my $ENV now for anything conspicuous ;) |
| 18:39.08 | Seb | jim: ain't too bad for a week-end so far... Gotta be just the beginning, though :> |
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| 18:39.17 | Seb | delire: in zsh, setopt matters *a lot* too |
| 18:39.38 | delire | Seb: i'm a little new to zsh.. i will look at this. cheers.. |
| 18:39.40 | Seb | delire: there is really funky options in there, make sure you include that in your bug report as well as the value of ENV |
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| 18:40.19 | delire | Seb: could something in setopt hinder exit codes being reported? |
| 18:40.41 | caphuso | a funky precmd() can do it |
| 18:40.54 | jim | delire: if you decide to boil the bug down, you might be interested in the strace output for the mkinitrd invocation to see what's actually happening |
| 18:40.56 | Seb | delire: from the top of my head, I don't think so. But especially not something that'd be set by default |
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| 18:41.11 | aurax | is firestarter works as IPS/IDS as well |
| 18:41.17 | aurax | like detect exploit attempts over tcp ? |
| 18:41.20 | Seb | aurax: no |
| 18:41.23 | Seb | aurax: snort will |
| 18:41.25 | aurax | only snort |
| 18:41.26 | aurax | k |
| 18:41.28 | at0m|c | hi, how do i know if my system uses my new hd's cache? it has 16mb, but hdparm -i shows BuffSize=0k |
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| 18:41.33 | aurax | what script you recommand to use to make it prevent |
| 18:41.38 | aurax | from being exploited over the lan |
| 18:41.47 | aurax | aka ips |
| 18:42.19 | sobersabre | at0m|c, u need to make it use it... |
| 18:42.43 | Seb | aurax: snort for ids, iptables for ips |
| 18:43.06 | at0m|c | sobersabr, i rerun hdparm w a command to enable it? |
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| 18:43.15 | aurax | can it be combined ? |
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| 18:43.37 | Seb | aurax: sure |
| 18:43.59 | delire | Seb: this is not actually my machine, i didn't write the zshenv, zshrc on this box. i'll have a poke around to see how 'default' they are. |
| 18:44.00 | afabian | I'm running sarge with the 2.4.27-686 kernel. I want to get the framebuffer with the cool graphical logo on my machine. How can I find out how the kernel was compiled? (i.e., with or without MTRR.) |
| 18:44.24 | caphuso | delire: run "emulate -L zsh" |
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| 18:44.51 | cahoot | afabian: zgrep -i mtrr /proc/config.gz |
| 18:45.23 | Face_Fantastic | Is there any command to check what's leeching my bandwidth, because its slow as hell all of a sudden? |
| 18:45.35 | afabian | cahoot: I think that's a 2.6ism. Certainly a handy feature. |
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| 18:45.51 | jim | if I want to turn dma on for a hd I have, is hdparm (turnDMAOnOption) /dev/hd<thatone> the only thing I need to do? or do I also have to reload the driver? |
| 18:45.53 | procrastinator | ethereal? |
| 18:46.09 | Seb | jim: that's it |
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| 18:46.15 | cahoot | afabian: how about /boot/config-`uname -r`? |
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| 18:46.20 | Seb | jim: edit /etc/hdparm.conf too, to have ti done at boot tome |
| 18:46.32 | Seb | Face_Fantastic: tcpdump/ethereal |
| 18:46.40 | afabian | cahoot: ... that works. I should've thought of that. Thanks. |
| 18:46.45 | delire | caphuso: hmm, that gives normal exit/return codes |
| 18:46.56 | delire | caphuso: in emulation mode i mean |
| 18:46.59 | jim | oic, but changing it immediately puts me on dma? |
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| 18:47.08 | Seb | jim: sure |
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| 18:47.18 | FabParma | please what command to uninstall a packet? i mean the opposite of -apt-get install- |
| 18:47.25 | Seb | jim: i mean, running the hdparm command does it right away, yes |
| 18:47.33 | Seb | FabParma: man apt-get |
| 18:47.35 | _keroppi_ | Anyone know of a good website that has tips on making your debian boot faster? |
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| 18:47.55 | Seb | _keroppi_: remove unused daemons ? |
| 18:47.57 | delire | FabParma apt-get remove <packagename> or dpkg -P <pacakgename> |
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| 18:48.16 | jim | so the driver might have to be informed and hdparm does that if that is required? |
| 18:48.19 | FabParma | delire: thank you very much |
| 18:48.38 | Seb | jim: i'm not sur eabout the internals :) |
| 18:48.45 | _keroppi_ | Seb: Is that all you'd really need to do? How do I know exactly what is being run at boot time, other than reading the boot screen output? Is it everything in /etc/init.d? |
| 18:48.49 | Seb | jim: bu trunning the hdparm -d 1 is all you need |
| 18:49.26 | jim | ok |
| 18:49.50 | Seb | _keroppi_: yeah, pretty much. the're s utility to let you visualize that easily, can't remember the name though |
| 18:50.23 | Seb | _keroppi_: rcconf |
| 18:50.29 | _keroppi_ | Seb: Thanks |
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| 18:51.12 | delire | jim: you can always query DMA status without the boolean value, eg with 'hdparm -d /dev/hd*' |
| 18:51.26 | Seb | so, say I disable some of the rc links using update-rc.d. Next time i upgrade this package, all the rc links will be recreated, right ? |
| 18:51.31 | Seb | how do I work around that ? |
| 18:51.35 | cmihai | Hmf... XForms look like crap. I see a lot of packages (like VLC, XMMS and such) compiled for XForms instead of GTK.... |
| 18:51.58 | zinosat | my script creates a temp_$RANDOM dir once invoked; crontab calls it 5 times and seems like $RANDOM assumes the same value for different invocations (quite often)... why? |
| 18:52.02 | caphuso | Seb: don't remove all links |
| 18:52.11 | hypz | . |
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| 18:52.28 | Seb | caphuso: well, i use filerc, os i actually edit /etc/rc.conf :\ |
| 18:52.30 | _keroppi_ | Seb: How would I start debian in a runlevel where nothing runs? (Say I just want to read a text file really fast when my laptop needs to boot...) |
| 18:52.40 | Seb | _keroppi_: single user mode ? :) |
| 18:52.49 | caphuso | zinosat: welcome to the wonderful world of pseudo random number generators. use mktemp |
| 18:52.51 | _keroppi_ | Seb: Yeah, I guess, does it not run any services? |
| 18:53.04 | Seb | _keroppi_: no |
| 18:53.12 | caphuso | Seb: shouldn't matter, unless filerc's update-rc.d behaves differently |
| 18:53.24 | Seb | caphuso: k |
| 18:53.39 | zinosat | caphuso, :) thanx for the tip. I thought that would be safe |
| 18:53.47 | Seb | caphuso: so removing only *some of them*, that'll be preserved when the corresponding pakcage is upgraded |
| 18:53.52 | caphuso | Seb: yes |
| 18:53.52 | cmihai | Can you set AA fonts for XForms also? |
| 18:53.57 | Seb | caphuso: thanks |
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| 18:54.17 | delire | Seb: perhaps check if debconf can be set to warn you of overwrites to the init scripts. |
| 18:54.43 | Seb | delire: i don't wanna change the init script, just disable startup for some runlevels |
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| 18:55.09 | delire | Seb: righty |
| 18:55.38 | delire | Seb: i simply remove them. seems permanent ;) |
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| 18:57.05 | sparr | can anyone recommend a good GUI ftp client? i need something that can keep track of a queue, limit connections per server, etc |
| 18:57.51 | pipeline | sparr: smartftp via wine |
| 18:57.53 | delire | sparr gftp will do |
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| 18:58.06 | sparr | gftp keeps crashing on me |
| 18:58.09 | delire | though not sure of queing come to think of it.. |
| 18:58.12 | pipeline | gftp is pretty lame. |
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| 18:58.17 | sparr | notably when i have queues for multiple servers |
| 18:58.30 | pipeline | sparr: suck it up and use ncftp or lftp -- no UNIX GUI client is going to satisfy you. |
| 18:58.40 | pipeline | sparr: And of course, there's always the windows-software-via-wine option. |
| 18:58.54 | sparr | ill try smartftp |
| 18:59.05 | sparr | every other windoes program ive tried wont work |
| 18:59.09 | delire | sparr use scp ;) |
| 18:59.10 | sparr | cuteftp, leechftp, wsftp, etc |
| 18:59.18 | sparr | delire its not a secure server |
| 18:59.18 | pipeline | I suggested smartftp because it's free. |
| 18:59.28 | sparr | pipeline id use ncftp if i could figure it out |
| 18:59.29 | delire | sparr: i realise.. |
| 19:00.03 | cmihai | Is there a way to make XFroms-based apps look like anything else but complete shit? (ex: Antialiasing for fonts, other colors then dull gray, etc?) http://bragg.phys.uwm.edu/xforms seems not to work for me. |
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| 19:00.25 | delire | sparr perhaps poke around freshmeat. there are some real surprises there where site admin tools are concerned. |
| 19:00.30 | pipeline | cmeme: since client support is non-existent, I'm not sure it matters. |
| 19:00.41 | pipeline | err, cmihai, rather |
| 19:01.57 | cmihai | Hmf... why the hell does debian distribute VLC and XMMS and LyX (qt also) compiled with that crap is beyond me. |
| 19:02.00 | Seb | sparr: lftp is real real good |
| 19:02.11 | Seb | sparr: if you can use a shell, you'll be surprised how easy lftp is |
| 19:02.44 | kadigibox | hello. I installed Debian i386 on a AMD Athlon 64. Is there anything that I should do to with apt list and whatever to make things fully compatible? so far I have the 64 kernel but dont know if thats all I needed to update |
| 19:02.48 | cmihai | lftp is crap. ncftp is smarter. |
| 19:03.10 | cmihai | Last time I've used lftp it got stuck at a >2GB file. |
| 19:03.20 | cmihai | Or at mgetting lots of big files... |
| 19:03.20 | Seb | cmihai: *shrugs* |
| 19:03.36 | cmihai | mcftp is crap also. |
| 19:03.37 | Seb | cmihai: why ot install lyx-qt, for instance, and get done with the bitching ? |
| 19:03.45 | Seb | s/ot/not/ |
| 19:03.47 | cmihai | (midnight commander one). |
| 19:04.05 | kadigibox | I am so happy Sarge is stable!!! |
| 19:04.17 | Seb | kadigibox: ain't we all ? |
| 19:04.22 | kadigibox | It through me through a loop when I found out though |
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| 19:04.37 | Seb | kadigibox: *threw* ? |
| 19:04.39 | kadigibox | I thought apt-setup was being stupid |
| 19:04.46 | riteshsarraf | Why are Debian's qmail packages so conservative on the add-on patches ? |
| 19:04.51 | kadigibox | thanks seb. I have bad spelling at times |
| 19:04.59 | Seb | kadigibox: np :) |
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| 19:05.08 | sorsis_ | kadigibox: it took pretty long time thouht |
| 19:05.40 | kadigibox | I am pretty deticated to sarge so now I am going to stick with stable for now on |
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| 19:06.07 | kadigibox | unless someone knows of reasons I should go with etch hehe |
| 19:06.27 | _keroppi_ | Anyone know how to get your init scripts running concurrently for a faster bootup? |
| 19:06.43 | sparr | pipeline how can i queue up a number of directories to be download in ncftp, and continue browsing and adding to the queue while the download? |
| 19:06.45 | delire | jim: Seb: cheers for the help, looks like ~/.zshrc and ~/.zshenv on my mates box spew out alot diff'd against the systemwide files. going to pick through them before filing a bug. a bunch of setopt's defined also. |
| 19:07.38 | Seb | cmihai: also, neither xmms nor vlc in debian are linked to libxforms. SO what exactly are you talking about ? |
| 19:07.41 | Seb | delire: np |
| 19:07.47 | pipeline | sparr: bgget / bgstart |
| 19:07.51 | Seb | libforms Imean |
| 19:08.04 | pipeline | sparr: You may want to use lftp |
| 19:08.04 | crn | anyone have advice on mobo for dual opteron? |
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| 19:08.33 | Seb | sparr: did someone in here mention lftp was vastly superior to ncftp ? |
| 19:08.49 | pipeline | crn: HP or Tyan. Don't even bother looking at the ricer brands. |
| 19:08.58 | sparr | ok, ill try leftp |
| 19:09.00 | sparr | lftp |
| 19:09.03 | sparr | which seems even more alien |
| 19:09.05 | pipeline | Seb, sparr : I only even mentioned ncftp because I've been using it forever. I'm told that lftp is much less awful :P |
| 19:09.13 | Seb | pipeline: ;) |
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| 19:09.29 | crn | pipeline, thanks. |
| 19:09.30 | caphuso | much more powerful too |
| 19:10.05 | caphuso | but the version in sarge lacks SSL support :-( |
| 19:10.23 | sparr | god |
| 19:10.24 | Seb | caphuso: argh. The one in sid is ok ? |
| 19:10.30 | sparr | i hate dealing with spaces in filenames in console apps |
| 19:10.31 | caphuso | Seb: yeah |
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| 19:10.38 | Seb | sparr: *tab completion* |
| 19:10.39 | Seb | caphuso: k |
| 19:10.49 | pipeline | crn: Oh, also, supermicro, since I think they make opteron boards now |
| 19:10.55 | splitti | how can i install a new kernel, if the old one did not boot (after update woody to sarge)? |
| 19:11.19 | crn | pipeline, ok |
| 19:11.23 | Seb | sparr: apt-get install kernel-image-2.x.y... ? |
| 19:11.30 | pipeline | crn: And, if you can afford it, you /may/ want to look at newisys. They're the OEM for Sun's opteron machines, so they must be at least decent, right? |
| 19:11.40 | sparr | Seb: ok, now how do i tell it to download all of Foo |
| 19:11.47 | Seb | sparr: help mirror |
| 19:11.48 | splitti | Seb, I can not boot the system |
| 19:11.49 | sparr | Seb: ok, now how do i tell it to download all of Foo\* and Bar\* recursively? |
| 19:11.56 | Seb | sparr: help mirror |
| 19:11.57 | sparr | but i dont want Baz\ |
| 19:12.03 | pipeline | splitti: Looks like you may end up using a rescue disk and chrooting in. |
| 19:12.03 | Seb | sparr: help mirror |
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| 19:12.17 | Seb | splitti: how does it not boot ? |
| 19:12.17 | intension | splitti did you rerun lilo ? |
| 19:12.19 | sparr | ok, and how do i do it in the backgorund? |
| 19:12.30 | Seb | sparr: & |
| 19:12.34 | splitti | pipeline, I have now bootet the pc with a suse-live-cd. did that help? |
| 19:12.39 | Seb | sparr: you can't be bothered to read any doc, can you / |
| 19:12.40 | Seb | ? |
| 19:12.46 | kadigibox | btw does anyone actualy know if there is anything I should do with my APT list and anything else to make everything AMD-64 compatible? |
| 19:13.07 | splitti | the kernel boots from lilo get a kernel panic and my rescue disk ends with kernel too old |
| 19:13.07 | Seb | splitti: then do as pipeline said, chroot it and rerun lilo, if you sue that |
| 19:13.15 | sparr | Seb: there are two types of docs. the first is a reference, which includes /usr/share/doc/* and man *, the second is a tutorial, which is what i need. |
| 19:13.18 | pipeline | splitti: Sure. You can mount your on-disk filesystem, chroot into the mount, and do what you need to do. |
| 19:13.19 | crn | pipeline, i've used tyan before. I'd better stick to the devil I know.. |
| 19:13.25 | Seb | sparr: correct |
| 19:13.38 | sparr | if i could find a tutorial i would ask less questions |
| 19:13.39 | pipeline | crn: Tyan's a great brand anyway. |
| 19:13.46 | pipeline | sparr: that's what the channel is here for |
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| 19:14.12 | sparr | but, failing that, how can i make it queue mirror commands so that it doesnt try to open too many connections to the server? |
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| 19:14.36 | splitti | a, i mount the root partion for example on /mnt/test and chroot to mnt/test and then can copy vmlinuy and run lilo? |
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| 19:15.36 | Seb | splitti: ideally re-running lilo should be it |
| 19:16.01 | caphuso | sparr: surprisingly enough by using the queue command, which you could have easily found by searching the man page. now stop being lazy before people start to get angry |
| 19:16.19 | intension | splitti you add a entry to lilo for the mounted part. and run lilo |
| 19:16.25 | splitti | Seb, maybe, i have destryd something else with my last tries :-( But I will test with chroot, thanks! |
| 19:16.38 | looksaus | I'm looking for a ghostscript 8.15 package (preferably gs-gpl) |
| 19:16.42 | Seb | sparr: net:connection-limit |
| 19:17.04 | Seb | sparr: and now go read that fucking man page. All I had to do was searc hfor "maximum" in there, for god's sake |
| 19:17.12 | Seb | splitti: np |
| 19:17.13 | cmihai | What's the ALSA equivalent of the "osssink" pipeline for output and "osssrc" for input ?! |
| 19:17.22 | abrotman | ask #alsa |
| 19:17.24 | Seb | caphuso: heh, saw that too late |
| 19:17.38 | looksaus | anyone knows about nice alternative repositories that might have this gs-gpl? |
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| 19:17.56 | abrotman | looksaus: apt-get.org |
| 19:17.58 | pipeline | looksaus: You don't want gs-gpl. |
| 19:18.06 | manu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.25 | pipeline | cmihai: alsasink, alsasrc. It's noted in the gconf schema, if you had bothered to read the text at the bottom :P |
| 19:18.45 | looksaus | abrotman, thx; pipeline, do you have a suggestion for another alternative repository? |
| 19:19.02 | Seb | looksaus: backports.org too |
| 19:19.05 | dbeal | apt-get install ms-windows-xp-professional_SP2 |
| 19:19.11 | abrotman | apt-get.org |
| 19:19.22 | cmihai | pipeline: that's nice. Tried that, didn't work. Thought it was something else. Must ge another problem then. |
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| 19:19.29 | abrotman | Seb: backports would be kind of irrelevant at this point |
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| 19:19.42 | robby25 | hey everyone |
| 19:19.48 | Seb | abrotman: i thought it had all kinds of stuff, not only backports per se |
| 19:20.01 | looksaus | thx abrotman , Seb |
| 19:20.31 | robby25 | hey, somone helped me out yesterday. i don't know whom it was... but i got the problem fixed and i am very greatful....just wanted to say thanks |
| 19:20.43 | Seb | robby25: bake a pie for the whole channel, man |
| 19:20.43 | looksaus | hm, seems like I have no luck there :( |
| 19:20.47 | Seb | a weed pie, say |
| 19:20.52 | robby25 | lol |
| 19:21.00 | Seb | :) |
| 19:21.05 | cmihai | I'm running "gstreamer-properties" and there's only OSS in the drop-donw list. I tried alsasink, didn't work. |
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| 19:21.20 | robby25 | how bout I just send a bottle of tequila |
| 19:21.25 | Isumi | lo |
| 19:21.26 | looksaus | hah, bingo... |
| 19:21.29 | dippo_ | okay, this is a weird one, but I can hear something accessing my disk every second. anyone know how I can tell what it is? |
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| 19:21.46 | Seb | robby25: a good one then. SOme patron silver or something... |
| 19:22.00 | robby25 | I will email the bottle to ya |
| 19:22.03 | Seb | dippo_: lsof /dev/hdX ? |
| 19:22.05 | Seb | robby25: heh |
| 19:22.19 | robby25 | once I figure out how to set up email in debian |
| 19:22.26 | abrotman | Seb: my understand was backports to stable |
| 19:22.34 | Seb | abrotman: you're prolly right |
| 19:22.47 | Seb | dippo_: lsof/fuser should be able to tell you |
| 19:23.00 | thomas_adam | dippo_: ext3? |
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| 19:23.13 | Seb | thomas_adam: good thinking :) |
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| 19:23.38 | thomas_adam | dippo_: Ifyou use ext3, mount with 'noatime' as an option -- should ecrease the activity a bit. |
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| 19:24.06 | robby25 | can somone help me set up an email account in debian |
| 19:24.19 | abrotman | thomas_adam: i wish someone would ecrease my paycheck .. |
| 19:24.27 | thomas_adam | abrotman: :P |
| 19:24.29 | dippo_ | yeah, ext3 |
| 19:24.32 | abrotman | i'm not even sure what ecrease is .. but it can't be as bad as decrease |
| 19:24.34 | dippo_ | it's not so much that I want to stop it |
| 19:24.43 | robby25 | lol |
| 19:24.46 | dippo_ | it's just that I have frequently realized that if/when my disk is churning often times I have no idea of identifying what it is |
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| 19:24.56 | thomas_adam | dippo_: You can also bump up the journal saves - see 'man tune2fs'. |
| 19:24.56 | pego | hi |
| 19:25.08 | thomas_adam | pego: What now? |
| 19:25.18 | pego | anyone can tell me why all package for gnome i install have a so little font size ? |
| 19:25.27 | pego | thomas_adam, hehe you're everywhere :) |
| 19:25.29 | robby25 | what is a good email application to use with debian...I am new to linux |
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| 19:25.36 | thomas_adam | pego: run gnome-settings-daemon ? Poor -dpi setting ? Fonts path wrong? |
| 19:25.38 | abrotman | why are there hot women on the lpga ? |
| 19:25.47 | gravity | robby25: Thunderbird for GUI. mutt for console. |
| 19:26.02 | robby25 | Thunderbird...ok...ty gravity |
| 19:26.10 | abrotman | gravity: i wanted your permission to alter the xorg factoid |
| 19:26.16 | gravity | abrotman: Go for it |
| 19:26.27 | pego | thomas_adam, dunno :/ |
| 19:26.30 | abrotman | gravity: i didn't want to just have people start using them |
| 19:26.33 | thomas_adam | pego: So check. |
| 19:26.39 | pego | i haven't gnome i just installed a package that need gnome lib |
| 19:26.41 | gravity | abrotman: Well, they're buggy but they're there to be used |
| 19:26.43 | robby25 | how do I find t-bird? |
| 19:26.48 | abrotman | gravity: esp. since i don't know if they work with etch or just sid |
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| 19:26.59 | gravity | I don't know either, but there are backports already |
| 19:27.11 | pureone | thunder-bird robby? |
| 19:27.14 | robby25 | yes |
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| 19:27.23 | pureone | ls /usr/bin | grep bird |
| 19:27.27 | abrotman | thunderbird |
| 19:27.33 | abrotman | it's one word |
| 19:27.35 | abrotman | no hyphen |
| 19:27.39 | gravity | abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/06/msg00431.html for backports, if you want to stick that in your URL |
| 19:27.39 | robby25 | right |
| 19:27.43 | pureone | ok |
| 19:27.44 | gravity | er... factoid |
| 19:27.46 | robby25 | i ran dselect to try to find it |
| 19:27.51 | prplstarlette | I have a fixed freq monitor and I have to use xvidtune to adjust the width...is there a way to keep the settings so I do not have to do it all over again each time i log on? |
| 19:27.54 | abrotman | gravity: not nearly enough room |
| 19:27.58 | thomas_adam | robby25: apt-cache search ... |
| 19:27.58 | grml | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.59 | gravity | robby25: aptitude install thunderbird |
| 19:28.00 | pego | thomas_adam, dunno how check :/ i haven't gnome-setting |
| 19:28.05 | abrotman | gravity: maybe we should get someone to make a wiki entry |
| 19:28.10 | abrotman | mozilla-thunderbird |
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| 19:28.13 | abrotman | not thunderbird |
| 19:28.13 | thomas_adam | grml: No -- see man xauth |
| 19:28.20 | robby25 | I am very new to linux...what is aptitude? |
| 19:28.29 | grml | thanks thomas_adam |
| 19:28.30 | gravity | robby25: Open up aptitude and read the help. It'll tell you how to do things like that. aptitude is a good interface to the package system. |
| 19:28.36 | gravity | er... right |
| 19:28.40 | thomas_adam | grml: I assume for X11, yes? |
| 19:28.41 | robby25 | ty |
| 19:28.43 | gravity | stupid mozilla- prefix |
| 19:28.49 | prplstarlette | welcome to linux robby :) |
| 19:29.01 | thomas_adam | pego: GTK apps have small fonts, yes? |
| 19:29.02 | robby25 | thank you...this is my second day |
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| 19:29.18 | m00p | robby25, Package mozilla-thunderbird, eg apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird |
| 19:29.23 | pego | thomas_adam, yes i think |
| 19:29.30 | robby25 | gotcha...in root right |
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| 19:29.52 | robby25 | thats working |
| 19:30.00 | IdontlikeGentoo | hi |
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| 19:30.18 | greyson | IdontlikeGentoo: Hi... why not? |
| 19:30.37 | shaggy | I'm getting a "mount: RPC: Program not registered" when I try to mount an nfs directory... any ideas? |
| 19:30.41 | IdontlikeGentoo | greyson: Id be okay with it if they called it ToyLinux |
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| 19:31.09 | thomas_adam | pego: So, check /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc -- what -dpi value is listed? 100 is a good onet o use.l Next, check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 -- and make sure the dpi100 fonts are listed before the dpi75 ones. You should also ensure via 'gnome-font-properties' you set your desired font size -- this implies you have 'gnome-setting-daemon' running, of course. |
| 19:31.20 | mirak | when you have two sound cards, how to choose the default one ? |
| 19:31.34 | robby25 | I got an error code as the following; E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 19:31.53 | prplstarlette | have you recently added new mirrors? |
| 19:31.55 | pego | thomas_adam, oki i hceck that thx |
| 19:32.00 | abrotman | apparently the internet is broken today |
| 19:32.04 | robby25 | lol |
| 19:32.13 | greyson | IdontlikeGentoo: Good call. |
| 19:33.40 | m00p | robby25, apt-get update prolly a good start |
| 19:34.19 | sparr | ok, hopefully the last stupid question about lftp... how do i get mirror to make directories? so i can mirror a directory that doesnt already exist locally |
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| 19:37.44 | pego | thomas_adam, all dpi 100 are good but i haven't installed gnome so i haven't gnome-font-prop and no deamon named *gnome* |
| 19:37.47 | mutante | hrm,need a certain webcam driver (spca50x), but binaries are only available for kernel 2.4.20 / 2.4.21 while i run 2.4.27 . Would you try to use it or does it NEVER make sense to try driver for different (minor) kernel version? |
| 19:38.09 | pego | thomas_adam, i just wanted to install a text editor and i install his dep that where libgnome* or something |
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| 19:38.54 | thomas_adam | pego: Right... In that case, you'll need to bugger about with ~/.gtkrc-2.0 or whatever the filename is now, to define the text-size. I assumed you said you were using gnome. |
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| 19:40.33 | abrotman | why not Xenix |
| 19:40.57 | prplstarlette | I have a fixed freq monitor and I use xvidtune to adjust the width of the screen...how can I get it to stay that way so I don't have to readjust it every single time i log in? |
| 19:40.58 | grml | what does ICEauthority used for? I have googled to no avail |
| 19:41.00 | sparr | I have a RAID linear array, sometimes when i try to write to it it has magically become read-only and i have to remount it, what might cause that? |
| 19:41.16 | thomas_adam | prplstarlette: You can't -- it's facet of having a shit monitor. |
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| 19:41.30 | thomas_adam | prplstarlette: *unless* the modeline xvidtune spits out, is specific enough. |
| 19:41.32 | fooz | sparr, what do you mean by remounting it? you remount the FS or you restart the RAID? |
| 19:41.51 | sparr | sudo mount -o remount,rw /mnt/themountpoint |
| 19:41.54 | pego | thomas_adam, okay i check that but do you thing it's a good idea to run some package that use gnome lib like that ? i mean without gnome running. i use fvwm you know and i like light thing |
| 19:41.55 | prplstarlette | argh...imma kidnap one of my dad's monitors he doesn't use lol |
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| 19:42.10 | thomas_adam | pego: It's up to you. |
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| 19:42.17 | m00p | sparr, disk errors? |
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| 19:42.22 | sparr | nope |
| 19:42.32 | abrotman | sparr: bad array |
| 19:42.38 | _joey | which package I should install to get the headers ? |
| 19:42.40 | sparr | plausible, how can i check? |
| 19:42.41 | fooz | sparr, check dmesg.. you sure there's no errors? |
| 19:42.49 | fooz | sparr, things don't just magically go read-only unless something's wrong |
| 19:42.49 | abrotman | it's your controller .. i have no idea |
| 19:42.52 | sparr | nothing in dmesg, nothing on console 1 |
| 19:42.57 | _joey | it's not kernel headers package on debian something else |
| 19:42.59 | _joey | > |
| 19:43.07 | thomas_adam | prplstarlette: The whole point of using xvidtune is to help ascertain a good modeline for your monitor that you can then shovel into XF86Config-4 -- although really, it's only really useful for out of phased monitors./ |
| 19:43.10 | m00p | sparr, dunno m8, i have a RAID1 running with no issues |
| 19:43.16 | thomas_adam | _joey: Hmm? |
| 19:43.25 | thomas_adam | _joey: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:43.34 | beardy | _joey: If you don't know what you're looking for, no one else can find it either. |
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| 19:43.40 | prplstarlette | i need a new monitor...this oen came with the puter...got the puter for free |
| 19:43.46 | thomas_adam | _joey: consider also 'build-essential'. |
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| 19:43.56 | prplstarlette | i've never dealt with a fixed freq monitor before.. |
| 19:43.58 | thomas_adam | prplstarlette: Then be greatful. |
| 19:44.00 | jonkri | is there a way for me to see the name of my motherboard without opening the computer or looking in the manual? i mean, is there a file in the /proc directory or something? thanks! |
| 19:44.06 | opera | ok now, please. in debian unstable, fix the ssh dependency in webmin-sshd |
| 19:44.16 | thomas_adam | jonkri: `Not usually. |
| 19:44.47 | thomas_adam | opera: Why don't use file a bug against webmin, telling them also that it's fucking shit, and needs to be binned. |
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| 19:45.04 | m00p | opera, let me get this straight you want to use webmin-sshd _without_ ssh? |
| 19:45.12 | sparr | ok, screw RAID... whats the right way to disable my RAID volumes before i repartition the drives? |
| 19:45.12 | opera | no m00p |
| 19:45.27 | thomas_adam | sparr: Take your computer apart. |
| 19:45.35 | jonkri | thomas_adam thanks |
| 19:45.40 | opera | but ssh is a dummy package |
| 19:45.51 | opera | instead webmin-sshd should depend on openssh-server |
| 19:46.01 | thomas_adam | opera: Why are you also *demanding( it's fixed -- if you're that desperate for it, do it yourself. |
| 19:46.08 | opera | which together with openssh-client is the new package |
| 19:46.18 | abrotman | why fix it ? |
| 19:46.24 | abrotman | it seems to work perfectly |
| 19:46.27 | Xinux | ~win32send@c-5c6be255.270-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se |
| 19:46.37 | m00p | cant say i had any problems with it |
| 19:46.47 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 19:46.48 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 19:46.56 | abrotman | only idiots and morons use webmin |
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| 19:47.07 | opera | heh... actually you're probably right, i have used webmin once i think... |
| 19:47.10 | abrotman | thomas_adam: why don't you use it again ... |
| 19:47.12 | opera | so i can just remove it.. |
| 19:47.19 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Well... |
| 19:47.20 | shingouz | webmin is a glorified bug |
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| 19:47.26 | opera | but still |
| 19:47.27 | abrotman | so he bitches it's broken .. then removes it ? |
| 19:47.28 | m00p | wbmin is usefull to get things up quickly, it is a big secutiry risk tho |
| 19:47.38 | fooz | i remove broken stuff all the time |
| 19:47.39 | pipeline | No, it's not even useful for that. |
| 19:47.40 | abrotman | vi works just fine |
| 19:47.45 | pipeline | You have to have tons and tons of shit already set up. |
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| 19:47.52 | pipeline | You would be better off using, oh, say, a reasonable provisioning system |
| 19:48.32 | opera | i said there was a dependancy fault, now i'm jumped right on, lol... calm down. |
| 19:48.43 | givemebooty | how do i move x from 800 to 1024 under debian 3.1 with intel 810 card and 15 inch monitor |
| 19:48.49 | pipeline | I was jumping on m00p for suggesting that webmin had a purpose. |
| 19:48.56 | abrotman | opera: but there is no problem |
| 19:49.03 | shingouz | givemebooty: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 19:49.06 | abrotman | !depends webmin-sshd |
| 19:49.13 | dpkg | webmin-sshd: depends on webmin (>= 1.140), perl, ssh |
| 19:49.20 | abrotman | !depends ssh |
| 19:49.22 | m00p | i was just saying that it does, /shrugs/ ppl dis agree :) |
| 19:49.27 | dpkg | ssh: depends on openssh-client, openssh-server |
| 19:49.27 | pipeline | givemebooty: First, a 15" monitor may not be capable. Secondly, make sure that enough memory is available in the BIOS. Thirdly, run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" |
| 19:49.35 | abrotman | opera: so where is the problem ? |
| 19:49.36 | leonel | dondelelcaro, do you know anything about why haven't been a spamassassin from debian-security for sarge ? |
| 19:49.52 | abrotman | i thought security was still broken |
| 19:49.56 | givemebooty | bios? |
| 19:50.01 | m00p | opera, i dont think theres a dep issue |
| 19:50.05 | pipeline | givemebooty: The part before the "&&" reconfigures X inside the debconf database, the "dexconf" command after it generates the config file and overwrites the old one |
| 19:50.09 | abrotman | !drxx givemebooty |
| 19:50.11 | dpkg | givemebooty: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 19:50.25 | opera | the problem is i want to remove the ssh package, but i'm told the webmin-sshd package needs to be removed also. |
| 19:50.33 | abrotman | opera: right .. and ? |
| 19:50.40 | m00p | opera, tbh, its correct |
| 19:50.42 | opera | and that's the problem |
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| 19:50.48 | opera | nothing should depend on ssh |
| 19:50.52 | abrotman | opera: you want to remove sshd or ssh client ? |
| 19:50.56 | mutante | jonkri: "lspci" and "lsdev" |
| 19:51.01 | abrotman | oh god .. he doesn't even understand dependencies |
| 19:51.05 | bob2 | omg a poorly maintained webmin module! |
| 19:51.09 | bob2 | film at 11. |
| 19:51.10 | Xinux | somebody say my name okay? (i'm testing out this IRC client) |
| 19:51.12 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 19:51.18 | m00p | opera, webmin-ssh REQUIRES ssh, if its removed, guess |
| 19:51.22 | fooz | Xinux Xinux Xinux Xinux Xinux Xinux Xinux Xinux |
| 19:51.23 | abrotman | bob2: sydney ? |
| 19:51.24 | thomas_adam | Xinux: :| |
| 19:51.27 | opera | that's the problem m00p |
| 19:51.30 | Xinux | bah... |
| 19:51.33 | Xinux | this irc client needs editting |
| 19:51.34 | bob2 | abrotman: canberra. |
| 19:51.39 | abrotman | bob2: is that close ? |
| 19:51.39 | opera | nothing should depend/requre the ssh package |
| 19:51.42 | abrotman | or not remotely ? |
| 19:51.43 | fooz | Xinux, switch to emacs |
| 19:51.47 | bob2 | abrotman: 2.5 hours drive south ( = yes) |
| 19:51.52 | Xinux | doesn't highlight tabs when there is new messages, doesn't flash toolbar when my name is said |
| 19:51.56 | m00p | opera, you ave got this arse-about-tits omho |
| 19:51.56 | bob2 | opera: so file a minor bug on it and move on |
| 19:52.01 | abrotman | opera: the file a bug .. stop bitching at us .. it's apparently you've no clue |
| 19:52.08 | bob2 | opera: the ssh package was only split a few weeks ago |
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| 19:52.12 | abrotman | err s/ly// |
| 19:52.21 | abrotman | !smite me |
| 19:52.24 | fooz | it's apparently! |
| 19:52.26 | opera | i have no clue? well thanks for everything, tell me if i'm wrong instead. |
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| 19:52.33 | abrotman | i think we did |
| 19:52.35 | abrotman | a few times |
| 19:52.35 | riteshsarraf | Does any one have woking patches for qmail-src that shipped with Debian Sarge ? |
| 19:52.40 | m00p | heh |
| 19:52.53 | opera | maybe you didn't express yourself good enough then, abrotman |
| 19:52.56 | thomas_adam | riteshsarraf: Doesn't the qmail build-process get them when it builds it? |
| 19:53.01 | bob2 | opera: please just stop it |
| 19:53.10 | bob2 | opera: go file a minor bug on webmin-sshd |
| 19:53.13 | abrotman | opera: yes i did .. |
| 19:53.13 | givemebooty | ok |
| 19:53.19 | m00p | opera, its not a bug, just your understanding of whats happening |
| 19:53.21 | abrotman | opera: just go file a bug already |
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| 19:53.23 | givemebooty | I did that and saved file and chose 1024 |
| 19:53.27 | riteshsarraf | thomas_adam: It has very less patches applied. Other that I downloaded from the net don't apply clean. |
| 19:53.30 | givemebooty | how di I restart x and gnome? |
| 19:53.34 | givemebooty | just reboot? |
| 19:53.34 | abrotman | and then the maintainer will close the bug .. problem solved |
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| 19:53.39 | thomas_adam | riteshsarraf: Well, it *is* a product of DJB.... |
| 19:53.42 | mutante | givemebooty: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
| 19:54.00 | fooz | djb is satan |
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| 19:54.16 | thomas_adam | Well, his ego is. |
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| 19:54.31 | riteshsarraf | yes |
| 19:54.37 | bob2 | I want to make some badges |
| 19:54.41 | opera | that's the problem, i thought bugs could be filed here... but ok, i might search for a bug report web page one fine day... |
| 19:54.43 | bob2 | that say "Bouncy McBounceBounce" |
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| 19:54.50 | fooz | bob2, you freak |
| 19:54.50 | bob2 | and stick that on people who run qmail |
| 19:54.54 | riteshsarraf | I think I should go with postfix instead of qmail |
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| 19:54.58 | bob2 | opera: http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 19:54.59 | bob2 | riteshsarraf: yes |
| 19:55.06 | comadreja | how do I import animations in gimp with mplayer ? |
| 19:55.09 | fooz | i hate all mail software |
| 19:55.16 | opera | thx. first good response so far. wee. |
| 19:55.19 | abrotman | !tell opera about bts |
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| 19:55.33 | bob2 | opera: I don't see where, after someoen told you to file a bug, you said "But how do I file a bug?" |
| 19:55.50 | thomas_adam | Ah... Stephen Malkmus' new album has finally arrived. |
| 19:55.58 | bob2 | fooz: but then you can easily identify qmail users from a distance |
| 19:56.03 | riteshsarraf | bob2: But does postfix has something like qmailadmin for a clean web interface ? |
| 19:56.04 | bob2 | fooz: so you know when yo scross the street |
| 19:56.09 | bob2 | riteshsarraf: no |
| 19:56.13 | opera | i've filed bugs before i think, years ago.. |
| 19:56.20 | fooz | bob2, you can already.. inhale |
| 19:56.33 | riteshsarraf | bob2: that's the problem. My client is addicted to qmailadmin. |
| 19:56.35 | mutante | if you need a webmail interface check out "squirrelmail" |
| 19:56.40 | riteshsarraf | bob2: Any work arounds ? |
| 19:56.59 | bob2 | get less dumb customers |
| 19:57.02 | bob2 | or write your own web thing |
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| 19:57.08 | riteshsarraf | he he. |
| 19:57.19 | fooz | steal gmail from google |
| 19:57.27 | bob2 | why are customers fiddling with your mail configuration? |
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| 19:57.34 | mutante | google "gmail is too creepy" |
| 19:57.56 | blop39 | hello, |
| 19:57.57 | thomas_adam | The "customer is alwasy right" saying *really* needs to be re-written. |
| 19:58.01 | riteshsarraf | bob2: My client is a hosting provider. I'm just a consultant to him setting up what he wants. |
| 19:58.04 | givemebuty | That worked flawlessly by the way, you guys kick ass, now I am in 1024 mode and can see everything and am thinking who in the hell needs winXP |
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| 19:58.15 | bob2 | riteshsarraf: ah |
| 19:58.27 | riteshsarraf | qmail is really a pain in the ass for maintainence |
| 19:58.32 | bob2 | I'd really do almost everything in my power to get them off qmail |
| 19:58.47 | riteshsarraf | bob2: I think i'lldo the same now. |
| 19:59.04 | Thor- | hi, I have installed sarge. when I try to change the resolution in kde (and gnome) I get a weird effect where it seems I get the right resolution on the middle third of the screen. dragging something over the screen shows that all three parts of the screen are interlapping. does this sound familiar to anyone? any hints as what to debug? |
| 19:59.07 | bob2 | riteshsarraf: at least make sure you get the ldap patch |
| 19:59.11 | Xinux | ritesharraf: you mean gmail of qmail? |
| 19:59.16 | bob2 | which stops it being bouncey mcbouncebounce |
| 19:59.20 | fooz | the customer is rarely if ever right anymore in the US |
| 19:59.29 | bob2 | they're too dumb to be right |
| 19:59.47 | jim | they're too far to the right to be right |
| 20:00.03 | thomas_adam | Thor-: You mean one large virtual desktop? |
| 20:00.06 | shingouz | fooz: if you ask me the customer is never right |
| 20:00.18 | riteshsarraf | shingouz: he he :-) |
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| 20:00.43 | shingouz | hey, it is easier that way. just lart them into submission and be done with it |
| 20:00.43 | m00p | thor, screen timing, tbh rtm |
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| 20:01.41 | Thor- | m00p: an adjustment in XFree86.config? |
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| 20:02.01 | blop39 | i want to know if some users have the follow problem : on my laptop (compaq r3000 series AMD XP M3000+), sometime on boot i have probleme to detect the good cpu frequency. this bad detection causes a bad system clock (too fast 3x) i have googled but i haven't found any solution about that. i'll try in few weeks the kernel 2.6.12 to know if it an acpi problem |
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| 20:02.29 | abrotman | sounds like a hardware problem |
| 20:02.39 | m00p | thor, probably, there a fun tuning program for X for that problme, i suggest Xfree-HOWTO |
| 20:03.05 | m00p | +e lol |
| 20:03.05 | Thor- | m00p: thx. will do some reading |
| 20:03.15 | m00p | np |
| 20:03.34 | jim | m00pnp! |
| 20:03.36 | abrotman | !eggs me |
| 20:03.37 | Xinux | pie |
| 20:03.45 | abrotman | and ribs |
| 20:03.56 | Ox_King | :o |
| 20:04.01 | blop39 | i'll try noapic, nolapic, clock=tsc and compil the kernel 2.6.11 with changing param.h HZ=1000 --> 100 but any change about my problem |
| 20:04.01 | Ox_King | scrambled is better |
| 20:04.28 | valdyn | blop39: you should disable your bios automatic powersaving features. |
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| 20:04.47 | jim | blop39: can't you just set the freq to a known good one |
| 20:05.46 | m00p | dont those laptops change the Mhz depending on power |
| 20:06.14 | valdyn | blop39: that would be equivalent to setting everything to max performance on my thinkpad, particularily the cpu. |
| 20:06.15 | abrotman | Wyzard: you didn't alias that ? |
| 20:06.26 | Wyzard | hehe... wouldn't be a bad idea |
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| 20:06.40 | abrotman | Wyzard: beer at sly fox ? |
| 20:07.14 | Wyzard | abrotman: Doing housecleaning, or at least I should be... my brother's Eagle Scout ceremony is tomorrow and we're having a reception afterward |
| 20:07.19 | valdyn | blop39: changing your tasks timeslice has nothing at all to do with it btw. |
| 20:07.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: beer at sly fox ? |
| 20:07.34 | abrotman | Wyzard: you're not living at home anymore ? |
| 20:07.42 | Wyzard | abrotman: Yep, still am |
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| 20:07.58 | abrotman | Wyzard: does that mean you don't want beer ? |
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| 20:08.11 | Wyzard | abrotman: No, I don't want beer because I don't drink alcohol :-) |
| 20:08.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: what if i told you it was really bad tasting soda ? |
| 20:08.26 | Wyzard | lol |
| 20:08.30 | Ox_King | haha |
| 20:08.38 | fooz | alcohol's for cleaning.. why would you drink it? |
| 20:08.45 | blop39 | valdyn: in my case i use powernnowd and why when my system on boot has bad detection then powernowd manages cpufreq with bad low et hight freq |
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| 20:09.22 | valdyn | blop39: whatever you want to tell me, i cant parse this. |
| 20:09.36 | m00p | blop39, that did make sense |
| 20:09.45 | m00p | blop39, did not |
| 20:09.57 | blop39 | normaly on boot, the kernel should detect the max freq cpu. and somme time this max freq is wrong |
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| 20:10.17 | valdyn | blop39: so fix your bios settings as i told you, i dont know any other hint. |
| 20:10.17 | m00p | blop39, laptop right? |
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| 20:10.23 | abrotman | !fr |
| 20:10.24 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 20:11.45 | givemebuty | ok |
| 20:11.54 | blop39 | i'm not sure but on my compaq laptop, i'll check but, i can't manage disable my bios automatic powersaving features |
| 20:11.55 | givemebuty | i have good res |
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| 20:12.21 | givemebuty | how do i monitor from 60hz to 75hz |
| 20:12.21 | blop39 | i know for debian-fr but no solution about my f....ing poblem |
| 20:12.23 | m00p | blop39, its a laptop, all bets are off :) |
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| 20:13.44 | m0nch | any solution for NO login failed authenticating on courier-imap? |
| 20:14.25 | shingouz | m0nch: didnt you ask the same question here yesterday without providing us the information we need to solve the problem? |
| 20:14.26 | m00p | m0nch, no idea, just fyi |
| 20:14.36 | m0nch | hi shingouz |
| 20:14.43 | abrotman | !party |
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| 20:14.43 | dpkg | well, party is Lego, and alcohol |
| 20:14.52 | jim | m0nch: for existing knowledge of problems see bugs.debian.org (for next time do that first...) |
| 20:14.53 | m0nch | tell me what info you need |
| 20:15.08 | m0nch | oka jim |
| 20:15.19 | shingouz | i tried yesterday, today i am smarter and will use ignore |
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| 20:15.28 | blop39 | m00p: you say "all bets are off" --> that's to say several problems on laptop with linux because hardware isn't an 100% compatible features |
| 20:15.34 | jim | m0nch: this was already told to you when you joined this channel (several seconds ago) |
| 20:15.50 | m0nch | today? |
| 20:15.53 | jim | blop39: could be that's true |
| 20:16.06 | jim | m0nch: and yesterday too, no doubt |
| 20:16.13 | m0nch | ahoo sorry |
| 20:16.18 | m00p | blop39, it means laptops are a different breed, they changed the goal posts |
| 20:16.26 | mousex | my laptop works great with linu |
| 20:16.27 | mousex | x |
| 20:16.34 | abrotman | so does min |
| 20:16.34 | abrotman | e |
| 20:16.39 | jim | probably not your fault; I think it needs rewordin |
| 20:16.39 | jim | g |
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| 20:16.52 | mousex | : |
| 20:16.52 | mousex | ) |
| 20:16.54 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 20:16.55 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 20:17.36 | m00p | blop39, i run debian on a apple ibook g4 :) go figure |
| 20:17.48 | jim | Ubuh-Huntuh: you've been preemptively striked :) |
| 20:17.50 | blop39 | mousex: your laptop has the freq cpu scaling |
| 20:17.50 | mousex | m00p: that's cool |
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| 20:18.10 | alys | m00p: do you run Mac OS X as well? |
| 20:18.13 | mousex | blop39: the what? |
| 20:18.20 | m00p | alys, no |
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| 20:18.27 | alys | I see... |
| 20:18.28 | blop39 | i'm unlucky with my laptop ... m00p |
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| 20:18.49 | mousex | blop39: making the cpu run slower to save power? yes. |
| 20:18.57 | jim | blop39: typically people check compatibility before buying hardware :) |
| 20:19.38 | jim | that changes "lucky" to "well researched" :) |
| 20:19.38 | abrotman | jim: why? |
| 20:19.42 | m00p | blop39, oh dear |
| 20:19.44 | abrotman | jim: that takes all the fun out of it |
| 20:20.01 | jim | I guess ;) |
| 20:20.06 | blop39 | jim : yes sure |
| 20:20.07 | Ubuh-Huntuh | Hi, I'm going to "clone" my web server and put it in another building with a different Internet connection for redundancy. Any suggestions on software/setup would be appreciated. The sever runs apache, php and mysql. |
| 20:20.24 | abrotman | Ubuh-Huntuh: and this server runs ubuntu ? |
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| 20:20.44 | jim | Ubuh-Huntuh: suggestion: mysql is not suited for multitasking use |
| 20:20.45 | Ubuh-Huntuh | lol what? |
| 20:20.55 | m00p | haha |
| 20:20.59 | gary | Anyone know a way to figure out what glibc version contains libc.so.6 ? |
| 20:20.59 | abrotman | Ubuh-Huntuh: your server runs ubuntu ? |
| 20:21.07 | Ubuh-Huntuh | what's ubuntu |
| 20:21.11 | abrotman | gary: all of them |
| 20:21.16 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:21.16 | defcon8 | Ubuh-Huntuh, hype |
| 20:21.18 | jim | gary: most modern ones |
| 20:21.22 | abrotman | !find libc.so.6 |
| 20:21.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libc.so.6' (5): (/usr/lib/debug/libc.so.6) in libdevel/libc6-dbg ;; (/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6) in libs/libc6-i686 ;; (/lib/libc.so.6, /lib/tls/libc.so.6) in base/libc6 ;; (/usr/lib64/debug/libc.so.6) in libdevel/amd64-libs-dev ;; (/lib64/libc.so.6, /lib64/tls/libc.so.6) in libs/amd64-libs. |
| 20:21.36 | abrotman | see |
| 20:21.36 | jim | I've been around since libc4 :P |
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| 20:22.00 | gary | ok jim abrotman : I have simcity 3000 on my computer, but it complains about something to do with GLIBC. The error is apparently due to a recent version that does not contain a required variable or something |
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| 20:22.08 | gary | Simcity requires an older version |
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| 20:22.16 | abrotman | Ubuh-Huntuh: in your irc window ... "/exec -o dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1" |
| 20:22.45 | jim | gary: one thing you can do is build a chroot with an earlier version... what version of glibc does simcity require? |
| 20:22.59 | abrotman | gary: oh .. there's uhm .. ASSUME_GLIB some thing like that |
| 20:24.08 | gary | jim: i'm not too sure to be honest |
| 20:24.13 | abrotman | jim: there's no way he can't know .. he's from cali .. |
| 20:24.13 | gary | error is : sc3u: relocation error: sc3u: symbol _dl_global_scope, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 20:24.25 | blop39 | jim i'm novice so for me compaq is not a bad thing. but i make a nistake. i think that my problem isn't just a compaq problem because i have googled and i have found that other trademark have the same problem.....so thank you |
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| 20:24.37 | jim | gary: check the manual you got when you bought the software from the vendor |
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| 20:25.15 | gary | hmmm, jim ok then. I'll have to wait, it's my friends disk but he's away - thanks though. Hopefully it should tell me though ? |
| 20:25.16 | jim | blop39: yes, that's possible |
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| 20:25.41 | jim | gary: it should; in addition you could ldd the binary |
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| 20:26.02 | jim | I don't know if that will tell you anything you don't already know |
| 20:26.17 | blop39 | if i ll find the solution i'll come back to give the answer ... i hope ... and i hope that my english isn't TOO awful |
| 20:26.18 | gary | jim: oh i did |
| 20:26.43 | jim | but to go any further here, we'd need specifics |
| 20:26.51 | gary | libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0xb7e77000) |
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| 20:27.00 | gary | jim: ok then |
| 20:27.22 | jim | blop39: likewise; and I hope you're not too uncomfortable with the english |
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| 20:27.39 | MAX1 | i can't delete my files! |
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| 20:27.43 | sussudio | !badgercam |
| 20:27.44 | dpkg | http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/webcams/badger_wildlink_cam.shtml |
| 20:28.06 | abrotman | sussudio: they're not even humping! |
| 20:28.08 | jim | sussudio: pictures of badgers trying and also failing to delete files? |
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| 20:28.23 | MAX1 | i have this error : |
| 20:28.27 | punkrockguy318 | Are there python bindings available for dpkg? |
| 20:28.28 | sussudio | badger. |
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| 20:28.35 | MAX1 | Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: |
| 20:28.36 | MAX1 | klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'trash'. |
| 20:28.36 | MAX1 | . |
| 20:28.43 | MAX1 | how i can fix it? |
| 20:28.48 | abrotman | MAX1: kde ? |
| 20:28.49 | blop39 | jim : nice exercice too increase my knowledge about both computer and english language ... so bye and thanks again |
| 20:28.54 | HeavenWarrior | please someone take a look at flood |
| 20:28.59 | MAX1 | abrotman, yes |
| 20:29.00 | HeavenWarrior | for some problems with gdesklets |
| 20:29.01 | abrotman | you have to ask before you paste |
| 20:29.04 | abrotman | MAX1: #debian-kde |
| 20:29.07 | jim | blop39: good luck to you |
| 20:29.08 | MAX1 | ok |
| 20:29.14 | blop39 | bye jim |
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| 20:29.19 | MoDaX | MAX1: rerun kbuildsycoca |
| 20:29.26 | MAX1 | ok |
| 20:29.29 | MAX1 | thanks |
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| 20:29.47 | jim | it has to build a syco? |
| 20:29.52 | abrotman | !tell aurax about root |
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| 20:30.41 | traumatik | is there a package for w32codecs .. ? |
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| 20:30.53 | aurax | :P |
| 20:30.53 | abrotman | !tell traumatik about marillat |
| 20:30.55 | aurax | wazzup |
| 20:31.03 | jim | HeavenWarrior: also put it in a .txt file and then put that on your website or on http://rafb.net/paste |
| 20:31.09 | grml | for some reason, xp sp2 wont let me format the drive fat32. so when I installed sarge, it shows up as ntfs in the partition table part of the install, even though I quick formatted fat32 - anyone ever had that problem yet? |
| 20:31.16 | aurax | can someone explain to me how to add a new network interface? |
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| 20:31.50 | jim | aurax: the basic process is to add a stanza (paragraph, phrase) to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:31.59 | tchino | how can i download a big cd-image with linux, and when it disconnect how can i resume that, like JUX for children |
| 20:31.59 | _daniel_ | aurax, ifup ethX |
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| 20:32.16 | tchino | i want to use gftp |
| 20:32.16 | aurax | its rl0 |
| 20:32.17 | jim | once this stanza is added, you can ifup and ifdown the interface of the name you added the stanza for |
| 20:32.18 | aurax | i think |
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| 20:32.30 | abrotman | tchino: wget |
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| 20:32.38 | traumatik | ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html is down? |
| 20:32.39 | abrotman | Belboz: you can't speak in here as knoppix |
| 20:32.47 | TigerWraith | how can i boot with out xserver starting |
| 20:32.53 | abrotman | traumatik: i think http only |
| 20:32.55 | _daniel_ | aurax, ifup rl0 ? |
| 20:33.00 | aurax | nothin |
| 20:33.02 | abrotman | !tell TigerWraith about no dm |
| 20:33.03 | jim | tchino: this cd image available through the use of jigdo? |
| 20:33.06 | abrotman | !tell TigerWraith about nodm |
| 20:33.08 | aurax | ignoring unknown interface |
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| 20:33.16 | _daniel_ | aurax, cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:33.17 | jim | aurax: the basic process is to add a stanza (paragraph, phrase) to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:33.32 | OldakQuill | How do I change the time at the command prompt? |
| 20:33.32 | aurax | hmm |
| 20:33.39 | tchino | jim: what jigdo |
| 20:33.47 | jim | oh, I must have said that already! dega foo! |
| 20:34.02 | aurax | any tool to scan for new network interfaces? |
| 20:34.03 | wimpy | with ntpdate Oldak |
| 20:34.03 | stouset | Crap, is marillat down? |
| 20:34.06 | jim | tchino: it downloads files and assembles images |
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| 20:34.09 | abrotman | yay |
| 20:34.24 | jim | aurax: not that I know of |
| 20:34.24 | abrotman | i'm still going with 'the internet is broken today' |
| 20:34.25 | _daniel_ | aurax ifconfig -a |
| 20:34.46 | MoDaX | tchino: use download managers like d4x, kget or others |
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| 20:34.53 | OldakQuill | Does ntpdate alter UTC time? |
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| 20:34.56 | jim | abrotman, restore it from your floppy backup! |
| 20:35.08 | aurax | oh |
| 20:35.09 | aurax | there is eth1 |
| 20:35.10 | abrotman | jim: i have an 8" floppy! |
| 20:35.18 | aurax | broadcast multicast |
| 20:35.21 | abrotman | jim: and .. we should stop there with that :) |
| 20:35.23 | stouset | :-\ |
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| 20:35.25 | aurax | it must be it |
| 20:35.25 | aurax | right? |
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| 20:35.44 | xliu_ | hi, everyone, when does /etc/profile been executed? |
| 20:35.47 | aurax | hmm |
| 20:35.50 | aurax | brb |
| 20:35.53 | _daniel_ | aurax, maybe I dont know what you are doing |
| 20:35.55 | aurax | got the point |
| 20:35.55 | aurax | heeh |
| 20:35.58 | jim | OldakQuill: ntp generally likes utc, but your system would then figure local time from knowing your time zone |
| 20:36.07 | aurax | i just added a new net card |
| 20:36.13 | aurax | wonder how to add it for real |
| 20:36.19 | aurax | i want my box to be a gateway |
| 20:36.20 | jim | aurax: what kind |
| 20:36.21 | OldakQuill | My time seems to be misset by an hour - when I change in KDE the change is reversed on restart |
| 20:36.22 | aurax | etc.. |
| 20:36.28 | aurax | network ard. |
| 20:36.29 | aurax | card |
| 20:36.29 | stouset | Ah, phew, found a mirror. |
| 20:36.31 | aurax | what kind of what ? |
| 20:36.34 | abrotman | tzconfig |
| 20:36.37 | stouset | I needed the gstreamer faad library really quick :-) |
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| 20:36.46 | _daniel_ | aurax, network cards are usually pci devices already loaded at boot time |
| 20:37.05 | _daniel_ | aurax, you don add them, you configure them |
| 20:37.07 | jim | following conversations is a really gud ksill to habe! |
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| 20:37.31 | abrotman | jim: what you say? |
| 20:37.39 | jim | I say? |
| 20:37.40 | aurax | yes, but all i left to do |
| 20:37.46 | aurax | is add them to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:37.47 | jim | oh yeah, I say! |
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| 20:37.52 | renato` | hey, what all those 14 isos in the debian directory??? |
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| 20:38.09 | TigerWraith | whats the command to reconfiger xserver |
| 20:38.11 | shingouz | renato`: jsut the first one |
| 20:38.14 | jim | renato`: unnecessary bloat :) or maybe not :) |
| 20:38.17 | shingouz | !tell renato` about d-i |
| 20:38.37 | grml | aurax: edit your iptables for port forwarding |
| 20:38.39 | jim | renato`: basic deal is you can install without any cd image |
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| 20:39.10 | jim | aurax: you came here for help with something... I guess you forgot what that was :) |
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| 20:39.31 | HeavenWarrior | my problem is in installing gdesklets - i write apt-get install gdesklets, and it tolds me that it need libgtop2-2. i gonna install libgtop2-2 and it wants to remove some gnome components |
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| 20:40.04 | renato` | thanks |
| 20:40.05 | renato` | :) |
| 20:40.07 | jim | HeavenWarrior: evidently there are version issues... if that's the case, you're not running stable |
| 20:40.09 | mozrat | hey guys - which package provides 'bluetooth:///' paths in Nautilus? I though vfs packages but I seem to have them all installed |
| 20:41.17 | HeavenWarrior | jim, i'm running unstable packages |
| 20:41.33 | jim | HeavenWarrior: why? |
| 20:41.42 | shingouz | another one with Sid... :( |
| 20:41.43 | agney | how can I access a smart card in my debian box ? |
| 20:41.56 | HeavenWarrior | jim, cause of using gnome 2.10 |
| 20:42.08 | traumatik | yea marrilat is down i think |
| 20:42.12 | HeavenWarrior | well i'm gonna use superkaramba for my purpouses |
| 20:42.14 | jim | HeavenWarrior, so why are you not also able to solve these problems? |
| 20:42.32 | abrotman | !moo |
| 20:42.33 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
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| 20:43.10 | agney | ~smartcard |
| 20:43.11 | jim | I mean, so we could try to help... but we'd have to do something that you can do: check the BTS for problems |
| 20:43.26 | HeavenWarrior | jim, because i was a long user of fedora and i'm new at debian version issues |
| 20:43.52 | jim | HeavenWarrior: then it's arguable that you should not be using unstable yet |
| 20:44.01 | jim | but you have to decide that |
| 20:44.04 | shingouz | !deja moo |
| 20:44.05 | dpkg | I know I've heard that b/s before... |
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| 20:46.19 | jim | HeavenWarrior: a better choice for you is to use stable and compile what you want into /usr/local ... and then you'll have all your own gnome with all your own settings and you can maintain it all on your own, and it won't be as hard to do since you'll have touched everything and seen at least some pieces of everything |
| 20:46.26 | basse | hi, anyone happen to know if there is debian package for Krita available anywhere? |
| 20:46.34 | abrotman | !info krita |
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| 20:46.38 | jim | that's why debian has a toolchain |
| 20:46.48 | HeavenWarrior | jim, thanks for the advice! |
| 20:46.50 | basse | !info krita |
| 20:46.57 | abrotman | basse: what does it do? |
| 20:47.04 | jim | and also why debian tries so hard to make sure it always works |
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| 20:47.09 | basse | abrotman: paint program. |
| 20:47.17 | abrotman | isn't there .. kpaint ? |
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| 20:47.28 | abrotman | or sodipodi .. or inkscape .. or gimp |
| 20:47.34 | tchino | exit |
| 20:47.41 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.47 | abrotman | yay |
| 20:47.48 | shingouz | i think krita changed its name to something else |
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| 20:48.08 | basse | http://www.koffice.org/krita/ |
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| 20:48.27 | abrotman | i really want ribs for dindin |
| 20:48.34 | shingouz | basse: apt-cache search krita |
| 20:48.38 | fooz | what is it with debian and ribs today |
| 20:48.44 | abrotman | fooz: it's all me |
| 20:48.53 | jim | I'd rather have pad thai :P |
| 20:48.54 | shingouz | ribs do sound good |
| 20:48.58 | basse | shingouz: normal deb packages are not realy up to date with koffice.. that's why I asked here.. |
| 20:49.02 | fooz | i think someone last night wanted ribs |
| 20:49.09 | basse | sometimes there are "secret" repos around for stuff :) |
| 20:49.15 | abrotman | i watched some pbs show about beef ribs |
| 20:49.18 | jim | rib repos? |
| 20:49.21 | shingouz | basse: there are no abnormal debs here either |
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| 20:49.51 | jim | people here named deb are all normal? |
| 20:49.55 | basse | last time I found pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org thru this channel .. |
| 20:50.05 | shingouz | shh, jim ;) |
| 20:50.06 | abrotman | basse: so ask #debian-kde |
| 20:50.25 | jimmybgood | apt-get digest ribs |
| 20:50.36 | abrotman | i really do want ribs |
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| 20:51.00 | shingouz | your local ribs-r-us? |
| 20:51.10 | basse | abrotman: ok, thanks. |
| 20:51.17 | abrotman | shingouz: no such thing |
| 20:51.44 | shingouz | abrotman: i know.. :) |
| 20:51.45 | basse | bye |
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| 20:51.51 | abrotman | bye! |
| 20:51.59 | donw | Anyone know how to get a WEP key out of WindowsXP? |
| 20:52.02 | abrotman | shingouz: there is a steakhouse up the road .. |
| 20:52.16 | shingouz | abrotman: on your feet and get going then |
| 20:52.25 | intension | abrotman lose the weight |
| 20:52.37 | concept10 | How do I add a network interface? I installed a new NIC and its not recognized. |
| 20:52.47 | abrotman | intension: weight of what ? |
| 20:52.49 | Wyzard | concept10: Load the driver module for it |
| 20:53.01 | abrotman | i wanted to do 20 miles today .. the other guy quit on me |
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| 20:53.06 | abrotman | only made it 10 |
| 20:53.10 | concept10 | Wyzard, okay |
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| 20:57.18 | concept10 | Wyzard, what is the easiest way to find what module supports a DLink NIC with Realtek 8139 chipset? |
| 20:57.36 | abrotman | use discover |
| 20:57.45 | intension | i want to run kde3.4 with xorg, someone convince me its good to do the upgrade |
| 20:57.55 | shingouz | !realtek |
| 20:57.56 | dpkg | somebody said realtek was a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller Works fine for me. |
| 20:57.57 | grml | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.58 | Wyzard | intension: It isn't good to do that upgrade |
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| 20:58.04 | shingouz | concept10: does that help? |
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| 20:58.10 | Wyzard | intension: Those things are not in Debian yet, so you're talking about using unofficial packages |
| 20:58.34 | kelv | Wyzard : does debian have a timetable for xorg inclusion? |
| 20:58.48 | Wyzard | concept10: The module you need is "8139too"... but as abrotman said, if you install "discover", it'll take care of finding hardware and loading the appropriate modules |
| 20:58.58 | Wyzard | kelv: It's being worked on currently, but I don't know the status |
| 20:59.01 | abrotman | Wyzard: it "should" :) |
| 20:59.30 | shingouz | food. bbiab |
| 20:59.42 | concept10 | shingouz, that does help. I never heard of discover before. thanks for that one. I need to read about that. |
| 20:59.47 | IdontlikeGentoo | hi |
| 20:59.51 | Wyzard | hmm, I should eat too |
| 21:00.02 | concept10 | Wyzard, thanks |
| 21:00.15 | Wyzard | woke up 6 or 7 hours ago and all I've eaten is a piece of banana bread |
| 21:00.28 | concept10 | abrotman, sample discover format or command? |
| 21:00.37 | abrotman | concept10: apt-get install discover |
| 21:00.42 | abrotman | and reboot |
| 21:00.56 | concept10 | I have it installed |
| 21:01.11 | abrotman | dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 21:02.17 | zxc | omg, java licensing sucks |
| 21:02.22 | FieldySnuts | !fuck java |
| 21:02.23 | abrotman | duh |
| 21:02.44 | zxc | heheh |
| 21:02.57 | sussudio | in general, java fucks you |
| 21:03.05 | FieldySnuts | true |
| 21:03.30 | zxc | and people still use it, even in gpl projects |
| 21:03.41 | FieldySnuts | not me |
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| 21:04.02 | zxc | i rather use python, but well |
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| 21:05.04 | mirak_ | hi |
| 21:05.25 | mirak_ | anyone use analog 5.1 output on nforce2 integrated sound cards ? |
| 21:05.39 | FieldySnuts | !anyone use |
| 21:05.39 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:05.40 | mirak_ | I have troubles setting the volumes |
| 21:05.54 | abrotman | !ban nvidia |
| 21:06.07 | mirak_ | hello nerds |
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| 21:06.25 | abrotman | how you doing there, ass ? |
| 21:06.36 | abrotman | ask #nvidia .. |
| 21:06.45 | mirak_ | ok |
| 21:06.48 | intension | mirak_ what does analog have to do with volume ? |
| 21:07.01 | abrotman | intension: it's not 1/0 ? |
| 21:07.02 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:07.14 | zxc | hehe |
| 21:07.18 | mirak_ | intension: different settings than with spdif maybe. I don't know |
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| 21:07.41 | mirak_ | intension: there is some weird mappings of outputs |
| 21:07.48 | intension | mirak_ Analog shows you the usage patterns on your web server |
| 21:08.01 | mirak_ | intension: what ? |
| 21:08.04 | abrotman | mmm ... ok |
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| 21:08.21 | abrotman | i'm appending my rib order .. i want snow crab legs .. about a pound of .. to go with the ribs |
| 21:09.26 | intension | mirak_ do you have a mixer installed ? |
| 21:09.39 | sussudio | crab? |
| 21:09.47 | sussudio | !crab |
| 21:09.48 | mirak_ | intension: yes |
| 21:09.51 | abrotman | sussudio: yes .. crab |
| 21:09.53 | abrotman | !crabpaste |
| 21:09.53 | dpkg | http://importfood.com/media/cppk0701.jpg or a sandwich spread, nice in sandwiches. thomas_adam owes abrotman a jar or three of this. See <cheesesteak> |
| 21:09.57 | mirak_ | intension: alsa |
| 21:10.05 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
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| 21:11.28 | FieldySnuts | !date sussudio |
| 21:11.33 | mirak_ | I though sblive 5.1 was a mess to configure but it's worse on nforce2 |
| 21:11.35 | abrotman | !date FieldySnuts |
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| 21:11.41 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 21:11.42 | abrotman | ha! |
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| 21:14.06 | sussudio | !boeni FieldySnuts |
| 21:14.07 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Madarch Madarch Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Neidr O 'i S Neidr! |
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| 21:14.18 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite sussudio |
| 21:14.18 | ravenbird | sussudio: i wouldnt take a back hander for that bush pig bloody mate |
| 21:14.30 | Piggy | :-| |
| 21:14.38 | abrotman | !eat piggy |
| 21:14.48 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 21:14.49 | apt | Brits will one day stomp the IRA! |
| 21:14.54 | abrotman | again ? |
| 21:14.56 | FieldySnuts | wtf, it picks that one way more than the others |
| 21:15.05 | FieldySnuts | apt: literal start a world war? |
| 21:15.05 | apt | "start a world war" is "<reply> (Israel kicks Saudi ass|Muslims rule|Fundamentalist Islam will conquer the Christians|EU 0wnz the USA|USA should nuke North Korea|Brits will one day stomp the IRA|Pakistan sucks|India will get its ass kicked by Pakistan|The USA will get flattened by China|Pakistan will get turned into a sheet of glass by Iran|China will nuke France ... |
| 21:15.12 | FieldySnuts | fucknut |
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| 21:15.44 | sussudio | !factinfo start a world war |
| 21:15.45 | dpkg | start a world war -- last modified 6d 7h 5m 57s ago by FieldySnuts!sFFEajKMe7@fieldysnuts.user; it has been requested 5 times, last by FieldySnuts, 2d 1h 8m 18s ago. |
| 21:15.53 | sussudio | :-\ |
| 21:16.45 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 21:16.45 | apt | Pakistan sucks! |
| 21:16.48 | FieldySnuts | ok then |
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| 21:17.20 | intension | are we done playing fiendysluts ? |
| 21:17.36 | FieldySnuts | fuck off with the sluts bit, ok? |
| 21:17.52 | fooz | who is intension? |
| 21:17.59 | FieldySnuts | a jerk apparently |
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| 21:18.24 | fooz | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB has landed! |
| 21:18.25 | abrotman | or a troll |
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| 21:21.00 | paulswm | !fruitsmite abrotman |
| 21:21.12 | kelv | !fruitsmite dpkg |
| 21:21.23 | abrotman | good |
| 21:21.37 | paulswm | abrotman: you prolly need the vitamins |
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| 21:22.08 | kelv | mmmm citrus |
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| 21:22.48 | ribnitz | Hello, when I burn dvds on the fly i get a speed factor of 1.6x (on an 8x certified disk) [k3b]. In winows it burns them disks alot faster? |
| 21:22.55 | FieldySnuts | Icare |
| 21:23.03 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: Yes. |
| 21:23.09 | IdontlikeGentoo | me too |
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| 21:23.10 | paulswm | Well, I am fscked if I can get devfs off my eeyore. I've tried nomount, hangs before starting init. I've tried MAKEDEVing all the devices, it hangs before starting init. |
| 21:23.21 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: All cd/dvd burning is over-cautious -- accuracy over speed. |
| 21:23.26 | paulswm | !lart devfs |
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| 21:23.48 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: but 1.6x? |
| 21:24.05 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: You can tell it not to be so... through. |
| 21:24.11 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: if I dont use on the fly, I get to like 3x. |
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| 21:24.35 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: Ok, so you've checked your logs? |
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| 21:24.55 | FieldySnuts | heh i get 8.0x all of the time after a few minutes on a dvd, could be lots of things |
| 21:24.58 | kadigibox | Hello. I installed i386 debian on an amd64. Is there a way to transition over to ia64 binaries or do I have to install over my installation with ia64 |
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| 21:25.08 | FieldySnuts | you have to reinstall |
| 21:25.17 | paulswm | If someone has managed to pry devfs off a system *without* substituting udev, please tell me, because I can't figure it out. |
| 21:25.17 | FieldySnuts | it's a wholly different install |
| 21:25.18 | abrotman | kadigibox: amd64 is not ia64 |
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| 21:25.36 | abrotman | !tell kadigibox about amd64 |
| 21:25.45 | ribnitz | using growisofs, starting writing at 8x (11M), but what I then get is a speed of 1.6x |
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| 21:26.09 | FieldySnuts | that's odd. i would suspect hardware or configuration issues (such as dma on or off on ide stuff) |
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| 21:26.21 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: which is like 2mb/sec |
| 21:26.32 | kadigibox | I thought ia64 was for 64 bit chips |
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| 21:26.49 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 21:26.50 | FieldySnuts | ia is intels shitty 64 bit stuff |
| 21:26.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, ia64 is the new Intel Architeture which seems pretty cool. or ages behind rs64-II , see also http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/. |
| 21:26.56 | blenergetic | hello f00f |
| 21:27.00 | abrotman | itanium |
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| 21:27.33 | ribnitz | FieldySnuts: we have a few of them boxes. They are basically junk. |
| 21:27.35 | modnar32 | does anyone know of good tools to recover an ntfs partition from linux? It seems the partition table header is screwed |
| 21:27.40 | abrotman | !ia64 s/Architecture/Architecture, "Itanium", / |
| 21:27.43 | blenergetic | f00fbar you here? |
| 21:27.44 | blenergetic | or f00 |
| 21:27.45 | f00f | pppd can respond to phone #s right?\ |
| 21:27.45 | blenergetic | f |
| 21:27.45 | abrotman | !ia64 =~ s/Architecture/Architecture, "Itanium", / |
| 21:27.46 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'Architecture', abrotman |
| 21:27.55 | abrotman | !ia64 =~ s/Architeture/Architecture, "Itanium", / |
| 21:27.56 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
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| 21:28.10 | ribnitz | modnar32: ntfs is barely supported by linux, dont expect recovery tools |
| 21:28.32 | blenergetic | see, I'm trying to transfer files to an old mac via serial cable |
| 21:28.34 | modnar32 | ribnitz: alright, I figured there might be something experimental out there, but ok |
| 21:28.36 | blenergetic | and I came across this page |
| 21:28.38 | blenergetic | http://www.mayin.org/aragorn/computers/connect.html |
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| 21:28.43 | modnar32 | ribnitz: thanks though |
| 21:28.49 | FieldySnuts | reading ntfs is the only behavior which is reliable on linux, writing is a disaster, don't even think about it (not with captive_ntfs either) |
| 21:28.58 | blenergetic | It says I can use pppd to connect to the old Mac like a mini-ISP |
| 21:29.16 | FieldySnuts | yep you can set up SLIP |
| 21:29.19 | blenergetic | except, the only terminal application on my Mac has only the Apple Modem Tool, which requires a phone number |
| 21:29.33 | ribnitz | 4,7 gb in 35 min... thats what I crave for. :) |
| 21:29.43 | FieldySnuts | i set up slip ages and ages ago, it was a serious pain |
| 21:29.53 | blenergetic | so I was wondering if I could have the mac dial a fake # (like 000 or something) and pppd would respond |
| 21:29.57 | kadigibox | So I should actualy stick to i386 then? |
| 21:30.00 | blenergetic | hmm |
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| 21:30.27 | paulswm | Well I guess I'm the only one trying to remove devfs :( |
| 21:30.34 | blenergetic | FieldySnuts, so this SLIP can respond to a number? |
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| 21:30.57 | f00f | blenergetic, I think he means to set up SLIP on the mac |
| 21:31.00 | blenergetic | FieldySnuts, or were you even talking to me ;) |
| 21:31.01 | blenergetic | oh |
| 21:31.01 | FieldySnuts | no, SLIP is simply IP over a serial line, not something that picks up |
| 21:31.07 | blenergetic | hmm |
| 21:31.11 | blenergetic | alright |
| 21:31.11 | FieldySnuts | no idea about all that other stuff |
| 21:31.16 | blenergetic | ok |
| 21:31.28 | ribnitz | blenergetic: that mac does not have appletalk? |
| 21:31.32 | blenergetic | it does |
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| 21:31.52 | ribnitz | blenergetic: thats the way to go then (basically serial line) |
| 21:32.02 | blenergetic | alright |
| 21:32.13 | f00f | ok.. |
| 21:32.13 | blenergetic | any idea on how to set that up? =] |
| 21:32.13 | SpyderMan | hi all in GNome 2.10 as currently present in sid - how can I get menus to appear when I click (right or left) the desktop - sorry for the dumb question but 'im running Gnome for the first time here and it's driving me bananas :-) |
| 21:32.14 | ribnitz | blenergetic: appletalk is supported in linux. |
| 21:32.21 | blenergetic | ribnitz, cool |
| 21:32.28 | blenergetic | its a *really* old mac though |
| 21:32.30 | blenergetic | Mac SE |
| 21:32.30 | blenergetic | :) |
| 21:32.33 | f00f | blenergetic, http://www.anders.com/projects/netatalk/ |
| 21:32.33 | ribnitz | blenergetic: no, no ideas. Dont have a mac |
| 21:32.39 | blenergetic | ok |
| 21:32.41 | blenergetic | well thanks :) |
| 21:32.42 | f00f | err |
| 21:32.43 | f00f | oops |
| 21:32.47 | Anders | :P |
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| 21:33.12 | ribnitz | blenergetic: is that the model with the handle on top? |
| 21:33.17 | blenergetic | yup |
| 21:33.19 | blenergetic | oldsk00l |
| 21:34.01 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: did i miss anything? |
| 21:34.09 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: hell no. |
| 21:34.58 | bluefox83 | is there a gui someplace that can show me the size of all my partitions and how much free/used space they have? |
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| 21:35.09 | blenergetic | ribnitz, the mac also has appleshare |
| 21:35.12 | blenergetic | is that helpful at all? |
| 21:35.15 | tarzeau | bluefox83: is df -h not good enough? |
| 21:35.21 | tarzeau | hey ribnitz what's up? |
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| 21:35.31 | FieldySnuts | bluefox83: filelight , if you have kde. be sure to turn on cross filesystem boundaries, and also show small files, in it's configuration. |
| 21:35.32 | ribnitz | blenergetic: no idea there, I am not the mac guy. |
| 21:35.41 | blenergetic | alright |
| 21:35.48 | blenergetic | everyone is dead in ##mac :) |
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| 21:36.10 | FieldySnuts | heh frank zappa in that quit |
| 21:36.36 | blenergetic | f00f, you here? |
| 21:36.55 | bluefox83 | i have a lot of useless crap installed on this thing..how do i get apt to clean out all th eunused packages? |
| 21:37.10 | ribnitz | blenergetic: defoster/deborphan |
| 21:37.38 | blenergetic | ribnitz, ok I'll look that up |
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| 21:37.55 | ribnitz | blenergetic: no ,thats what actually for bluefox83 |
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| 21:38.24 | blenergetic | ribnitz, alrighty |
| 21:38.41 | ribnitz | ok. off to town. need girlz. :) |
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| 21:40.26 | bastos | I wonder if you guys will ever get xorg packages |
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| 21:41.07 | spdf | bastos, someday |
| 21:41.09 | bluefox83 | !deborphaner |
| 21:41.28 | bastos | well hurry up already |
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| 21:42.13 | bluefox83 | !clean files |
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| 21:44.01 | FieldySnuts | @troll bastos |
| 21:44.04 | FieldySnuts | you try makin em. |
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| 21:45.31 | bluefox83 | ok, i'm not finding anything on deborphaner or defoster |
| 21:45.38 | bluefox83 | anyone have any other ideas? |
| 21:45.52 | uglyK | hello, i am looking for the usbcam script...which paket i need to install? |
| 21:45.54 | givemebuty | stop using databases |
| 21:46.02 | givemebuty | use unix and perl only |
| 21:46.09 | bluefox83 | ...yeah..shut up |
| 21:46.16 | givemebuty | scp = all communication |
| 21:46.20 | givemebuty | screw html |
| 21:46.32 | givemebuty | each form has 1-1000 items |
| 21:46.34 | FieldySnuts | !date givemebuty |
| 21:46.40 | givemebuty | map iteams to name phone etc. |
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| 21:47.11 | bluefox83 | FieldySnuts, know of any good apps to get rid of un-used packages? |
| 21:47.11 | givemebuty | from [1] until [2] is item 1 etc. |
| 21:47.26 | FieldySnuts | bluefox83: a brain and doing it yourself |
| 21:47.26 | givemebuty | apt-get does that |
| 21:47.43 | bluefox83 | givemebuty, does what? |
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| 21:49.19 | bluefox83 | man i hope it doesn't remove anything important ... |
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| 21:49.37 | ccg | can someone recommend some decent midi sequencers and players for X to me ? |
| 21:49.50 | tarzeau | ccg: ocp, timidity? |
| 21:49.56 | tarzeau | ccg: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
| 21:50.03 | gtlarue | I am trying to get grub to display a splash image while booting |
| 21:50.07 | bluefox83 | whats a midi sequencer? O.o |
| 21:50.09 | ccg | thx |
| 21:50.17 | bluefox83 | gtlarue, good luck with that... |
| 21:50.21 | gtlarue | but I am having a small confusion editing the menu.lst file |
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| 21:50.32 | gtlarue | I installed grub to the MBR |
| 21:50.41 | fooz | gtlarue, splashimage /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz |
| 21:50.46 | fooz | i think |
| 21:50.53 | gtlarue | does that mean it is the partition hda0,0? |
| 21:51.05 | bluefox83 | wow, i had 5 gigs of unused packages! |
| 21:51.08 | fooz | gtlarue, no. that means use whatever partition you last specified with root |
| 21:51.13 | fooz | gtlarue, like root (hd0,0) |
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| 21:51.23 | gtlarue | splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/ |
| 21:51.26 | uglyK | no one knows which paket i need to install for getting usbcam? |
| 21:51.28 | fooz | yes |
| 21:51.32 | gtlarue | so how do I know what to put in place of hd0,0 |
| 21:51.41 | fooz | put the partition that has your splash image on it |
| 21:51.42 | gtlarue | or do I leave it like that |
| 21:51.52 | gtlarue | its in the same folder as grub |
| 21:51.54 | aztv | what's the best postscript viewer available? |
| 21:51.57 | bluefox83 | uglyK, usbcam the driver? |
| 21:51.58 | gtlarue | and grub installed to the MBR |
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| 21:52.14 | fooz | gtlarue, whatever partition has grub's files on it |
| 21:52.21 | gtlarue | but I do not know how to refer to that partition |
| 21:52.29 | fooz | gtlarue, what linux device is it? |
| 21:52.31 | gtlarue | I know it is a silly thing to not understand |
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| 21:52.41 | uglyK | bluefox83, no its a script...i dont have it on my sys and i think i need it to get my ixus digi cam working |
| 21:52.47 | FieldySnuts | MBR isn't a partition, it is the first 512 or so bytes of your disk drive, outside of any partition |
| 21:52.55 | bluefox83 | oh.. |
| 21:53.01 | gtlarue | ah |
| 21:53.05 | FieldySnuts | your bootloader got installed there, and it in turn has to be told where your boot partition is |
| 21:53.10 | gtlarue | so im actually using the root partition then |
| 21:53.19 | gtlarue | so I can look at the fstab to figure that out? |
| 21:53.22 | bluefox83 | i'm not familiar withthat scripts |
| 21:53.25 | FieldySnuts | i dunno i can't think at the moment. |
| 21:53.34 | bluefox83 | Ugly_Duck, is it perl or what? |
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| 21:54.22 | uglyK | no bash script i think...i read that i need it to use gtkam |
| 21:55.24 | uglyK | digi cam is not recognized by gtkam but shown via lsusb |
| 21:55.26 | FieldySnuts | anyone know of a way to strip idv2/3 tags out of mp3's, without re-encoding the mp3's, to many mp3s at once? someone sent me some and the tags and titles are a disaster, making it really confusing displaying them in any player. |
| 21:55.31 | gtlarue | ok, I have it straightened out, thank you fooz |
| 21:55.39 | fooz | np |
| 21:55.49 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: You could use easytag to retag them, maybe based on their filenames |
| 21:56.06 | FieldySnuts | i'd be fine with them being totally empty |
| 21:56.34 | aztv | what's the best postscript viewer available? |
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| 21:56.45 | FieldySnuts | !best |
| 21:56.46 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 21:56.56 | FieldySnuts | i thought it would say something else, sorry |
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| 21:57.12 | FieldySnuts | anyway best is an opinion, my opinion is xpdf. simple, and doesnt' depend on gnome such as gpdf. kdpf is another. |
| 21:57.25 | fooz | i like gv sometimes |
| 21:57.28 | gtlarue | but can it search the pdf for test? |
| 21:57.30 | aztv | something that works |
| 21:57.32 | dbron | kpdf is good - it allows searching |
| 21:57.32 | gtlarue | errr, text |
| 21:57.33 | aztv | ggv sucks!!! |
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| 21:58.05 | aztv | xpdf doesn't show ps |
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| 21:58.10 | gtlarue | the campus red hat labs dont have a pdf viewer that can search |
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| 21:58.14 | FieldySnuts | !lart aztv |
| 21:58.16 | gtlarue | and it drives me crazy |
| 21:58.19 | FieldySnuts | pdf IS ps. |
| 21:58.32 | TD | hi, when setting up dovecot i get this error: hostname: Unknown host |
| 21:58.32 | fooz | no, not quite |
| 21:58.37 | fooz | can't code your own apps in pdf |
| 21:58.40 | TD | this fails the entire install. does anybody know what might cause that? |
| 21:59.04 | aztv | FieldySnuts, i have xpdf installed. it doesn't open ps files |
| 21:59.21 | FieldySnuts | dumbass. |
| 21:59.27 | fooz | heh |
| 21:59.45 | deviant | hello, can anyone please help with a fresh install of debian on a raid 0? |
| 21:59.45 | DimmuR | Hi I've installed latest ati fglrx drivers and instalation was succesfull (no errros). I use agpgart + intel_mch_agp (loaded before fglrx) and still have no Direct Rendering... what can i do to enable it? |
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| 22:00.05 | Seb | FieldySnuts: pdf is not pdf |
| 22:00.18 | gtlarue | pdf is hell |
| 22:00.25 | Seb | heh, that's closer to truth |
| 22:00.35 | sihkzz | DimmuR: Have you run the config? |
| 22:00.35 | aztv | Seb, he can't admit he's wrong |
| 22:00.54 | Seb | aztv: heh |
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| 22:02.02 | DimmuR | sihkzz: yes - fglrxconfig and configured it |
| 22:02.06 | rvirani | apt-get is making my machine lock up |
| 22:02.15 | rvirani | dpkg --reconfigure -a |
| 22:02.17 | rvirani | it freezes |
| 22:02.23 | rvirani | Is debian known for this? |
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| 22:02.30 | aztv | !postscript |
| 22:02.31 | dpkg | postscript is, like, a page description language or a modern incarnation of FORTH |
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| 22:02.51 | aztv | !postscript |
| 22:02.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, postscript is a page description language or a modern incarnation of FORTH |
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| 22:02.57 | fooz | rvirani, apt-get and dpkg are resources intensive. if your hardware is not up to it, you could have performance problems |
| 22:02.59 | aztv | oh |
| 22:03.03 | [Granger] | !forth |
| 22:03.03 | fooz | rvirani, same as any package manager really |
| 22:03.03 | dpkg | forth is, like, an intermediate language for a compiler that never got written or the language used by Apple's Open Firmware or one of the only syntax-free languages and the Forth Interest Group is at http://www.forth.org/, or a threaded interpreted language and also isforth.clss.net |
| 22:03.20 | [Granger] | hmm |
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| 22:03.42 | Seb | rvirani: it freezes and never comes back up ? Like, kernel crash ? |
| 22:03.54 | Seb | rvirani: or it simply gets sorta frozen for as long as apt-get runs ? |
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| 22:04.30 | rvirani | Seb:L I cant do nothing |
| 22:04.36 | rvirani | numlock even doesnt work |
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| 22:04.44 | Seb | rvirani: so apt-get never finishes ? |
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| 22:04.57 | rvirani | Seb: nope |
| 22:04.59 | sihkzz | DimmuR: Can you see it loaded when you lsmod? |
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| 22:05.07 | rvirani | Its a pretty gutsy machine |
| 22:05.14 | rvirani | 512DDR 1Ghz AMD |
| 22:05.20 | Seb | rvirani: you doing that in X ? If so, try in console , that'll at least get you a kernel dump... |
| 22:05.31 | rvirani | Seb done that |
| 22:05.34 | rvirani | still freezes |
| 22:05.36 | DimmuR | sihkzz: root@blaszak:~# lsmod | grep agp |
| 22:05.36 | DimmuR | intel_mch_agp 10896 1 |
| 22:05.36 | DimmuR | agpgart 35240 2 fglrx,intel_mch_agp |
| 22:05.39 | fooz | rvirani, could be you have bad hardware |
| 22:05.46 | fooz | rvirani, are you in X? |
| 22:05.50 | Seb | rvirani: I understand it freezes. Do you get the kernel dump ? |
| 22:06.10 | Seb | rvirani: that was the whole point of my suggestion, not to see if somehow it doesn't freeze in console |
| 22:06.25 | DimmuR | sihkzz: if u need i can put logs on www from kernel, xfree86.log and xf86config-4 |
| 22:06.54 | sihkzz | DimmuR: Yes please |
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| 22:07.24 | rvirani | Seb: no kernel dump |
| 22:07.28 | rvirani | just blinking cursor |
| 22:07.33 | DimmuR | sihkzz: http://www.blaszak.neostrada.pl/logs/XFree86.0.txt http://www.blaszak.neostrada.pl/logs/XF86Config-4.txt http://www.blaszak.neostrada.pl/logs/config-2.6.11.12.txt |
| 22:07.36 | Seb | rvirani: then it's not frozen |
| 22:07.42 | rvirani | cant swtich to another screen, cant switch ttys or anythign |
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| 22:07.46 | Seb | rvirani: can you ping it from another machine ? |
| 22:08.22 | rvirani | not responding |
| 22:08.36 | Seb | rvirani: i don't understand how you don't get a kernel dump then :\ |
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| 22:08.44 | rvirani | grr |
| 22:08.45 | Seb | fooz: as fooz said, I think it's bad HW |
| 22:08.47 | rvirani | the machine was fine |
| 22:08.47 | fooz | Seb, his hardware's probably dead |
| 22:08.50 | Seb | hrm |
| 22:08.51 | Seb | heh |
| 22:08.54 | rvirani | until I tried to install gnome on it |
| 22:08.57 | Seb | rvirani: yeah, maybe bad RAM |
| 22:09.04 | Seb | or bad somehting |
| 22:09.10 | Seb | but it does sound like a HW problem |
| 22:09.10 | rvirani | Seb: tell me how do I upgrade to debian 3.1 from 3.0 |
| 22:09.10 | fooz | rvirani, bad RAM, CPU overheating, IDE chipset not well supported? |
| 22:09.18 | rvirani | do I just change sources.lst? |
| 22:09.22 | rvirani | and apt-get upgrade? |
| 22:09.23 | aztv | well.. does anyone know of a ps viewer? |
| 22:09.27 | Seb | no downgrading is supported |
| 22:09.28 | fooz | aztv, gv? |
| 22:09.36 | fooz | Seb, he wants to upgrade |
| 22:09.40 | fooz | rvirani, yes |
| 22:09.43 | Seb | oh, misread |
| 22:09.44 | fooz | rvirani, rather.. |
| 22:09.47 | rvirani | fooz thyanx |
| 22:09.48 | fooz | rvirani, apt-get update first |
| 22:09.52 | fooz | rvirani, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:09.53 | rvirani | I will try that |
| 22:09.53 | Seb | rvirani: but still |
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| 22:09.55 | rvirani | fooz thnx |
| 22:09.57 | fooz | rvirani, however! |
| 22:09.58 | Seb | rvirani: you surely have HW trouble |
| 22:10.01 | Seb | upgrading won't change that |
| 22:10.03 | aFlag | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.04 | aztv | fooz, thank you |
| 22:10.05 | fooz | rvirani, if your hardware's bad.. upgrading will just break things |
| 22:10.06 | sihkzz | DimmuR: Did you use the method where you install using the rpm after converting it to deb with alien? |
| 22:10.18 | rvirani | Seb the machine has been aabsolutely fine! |
| 22:10.26 | Seb | fooz: we on this like butter on toast :D |
| 22:10.27 | rvirani | nothing ever wrong with that box |
| 22:10.32 | fooz | rvirani, so? |
| 22:10.34 | rvirani | it ran gentoo and slackware and FC fine |
| 22:10.36 | Seb | rvirani: it was fine before, hence it cannot be fucked now ? |
| 22:10.37 | fooz | rvirani, cars run fine up until they day they break down |
| 22:10.43 | Seb | heheh |
| 22:11.25 | Seb | rvirani: nothing in the system.log around crash time ? (once our reboot up) |
| 22:11.34 | Seb | i've had bad kernel crash the past omnth or so |
| 22:11.40 | Seb | bah harddrive, it turned out |
| 22:11.46 | Seb | took it out, everything's fine |
| 22:11.58 | Seb | note that as fooz said, everything had been fine on this box before :> |
| 22:12.47 | fooz | don't trust computer hardware until you realise it's been running for 8 months in the corner with no attention and you had completely forgotten it was there |
| 22:12.48 | DimmuR | sihkzz: i used this: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=1176 and also i used FAQ: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html - both method installed ok - but without direct rendering |
| 22:12.50 | fooz | hehe |
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| 22:13.16 | fooz | and never trust hard drives |
| 22:13.32 | deviant | hello, can anyone please help with a fresh install of debian on a raid 0? anybody pls! |
| 22:13.32 | sussudio | ~zoof |
| 22:13.32 | apt | no |
| 22:13.37 | sussudio | !fist apt |
| 22:13.37 | Seb | pretty quiet and unfooledaroundwith, for a week-end... |
| 22:13.42 | rvirani | I will deal with this later |
| 22:13.44 | rvirani | gotta go |
| 22:13.47 | rvirani | thanx for the help |
| 22:13.49 | rvirani | I will be back |
| 22:14.11 | fooz | except fujitsu scsi drives, they might be trustworthy |
| 22:14.36 | sihkzz | DimmuR: What ATI card are you using? |
| 22:15.02 | donfilipo | i have troubles mounting my first hdd /dev/hda with ntfs file system (windowsxp) any help? |
| 22:15.14 | DimmuR | sihkzz: Radeon 9200 |
| 22:15.46 | spdf | DimmuR, You used flavio's repo 'eh? |
| 22:16.10 | zulkifar | Hi. I'd like to have all routing configuration in single place. What is the best way to do that? And do I need to disable autofilling routing tables and really use ifup/ifdown since I will bringup/down interfaces by hand? |
| 22:16.33 | spdf | DimmuR, Changed your Xfree config to Driver "fglrx", and the fglrx module is built and modprobed? |
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| 22:17.27 | deviant | hello, can anyone please help with a fresh install of debian on a raid 0? anybody pls! |
| 22:17.28 | DimmuR | spdf: dont understand "repo' ech", but i used fglrxconfig to make new config and fglrx is as module - now i'm on this module but without DR |
| 22:17.30 | initech | uh, if you run their fglrxconfig program it will write the XF86config-4 for you (even though it will most likely be broken) |
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| 22:17.42 | JeffH- | Is XFree86 still the latest and greatest X-Window-System available in the debian repository? |
| 22:17.43 | cmihai | MUIE RENEEEL |
| 22:17.54 | deviant | cmihai: lol |
| 22:17.56 | cmihai | Erm, sorry about that. |
| 22:18.01 | initech | DimmuR: is your regular (stock) radeon module loaded as well? |
| 22:18.05 | cmihai | Power out while updating to ETCH. |
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| 22:18.22 | spdf | DimmuR, How did you install the fglrx packages? from RPM or with apt-get |
| 22:18.37 | DimmuR | initech: no it cant be loaded - radeon depends on drm and fglrx conflictcs it so i have only fglrx |
| 22:18.59 | initech | DimmuR: hmmm, I can load both myself. of course if I do, nothing works |
| 22:19.08 | DimmuR | spdf: i used this: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=1176 and also i used FAQ: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html - both method installed ok - but without direct rendering |
| 22:19.28 | cmihai | Now I'm getting read failures on one of my hard drives :( |
| 22:19.29 | sihkzz | DimmuR: You have reset x, right? |
| 22:19.30 | DimmuR | initech: when i load drm i cant load fglrx (operation not permitted) so i cant load both |
| 22:19.52 | DimmuR | sihkzz: after each change i reset X or if needed reboot |
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| 22:20.58 | sihkzz | DimmuR: Are you loading the correct XF86Config file? |
| 22:22.16 | FieldySnuts | I had a font for Xterm set in ~/.Xdefaults . I didn't like it, so I removed the line and did xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults. I start Xterm, and it's still using that font. anyone know how I can force it back to default? |
| 22:22.26 | deviant | cmihai: lol |
| 22:22.29 | deviant | hello, can anyone please help with a fresh install of debian on a raid 0? anybody pls! |
| 22:22.31 | DimmuR | sihkzz: yes i have symlink from XF86Config-4 to XF86Config and nothing else (configs) in /etc/X11 |
| 22:23.12 | givemebuty | i just tested my cable internet |
| 22:23.14 | sihkzz | DimmuR: (==) Using config file: "/root/XF86Config" |
| 22:23.15 | givemebuty | 25k/s |
| 22:23.17 | givemebuty | wtf |
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| 22:23.26 | initech | deviant: what does raid 0 have to do with it? |
| 22:23.26 | givemebuty | does debian throotle the cabel mdoem? |
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| 22:23.31 | FieldySnuts | !irritate deviant |
| 22:23.32 | dpkg | deviant: hi every1 who uses gnome thx |
| 22:23.37 | cmihai | deviant: erm. Soft raid ? |
| 22:24.00 | deviant | initech: it doesen`t boot after installing |
| 22:24.03 | spdf | givemebuty, How did you test it? |
| 22:24.12 | DimmuR | sihkzz: how could i overwrite it? |
| 22:24.22 | initech | deviant: raid 0 on root? |
| 22:24.24 | deviant | cmihai: hardware raid 0 on a compac ProLiant Ml310 |
| 22:24.57 | initech | deviant: try lilo on it for now. grub is goofy as fuck on raid devices |
| 22:25.10 | DimmuR | i'm gonna make sure that i load right config :/ |
| 22:25.14 | deviant | initech: i boot from the cd, it installs the base, then when i restart the pc, it won`t boot |
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| 22:25.30 | donfilipo | can somebody please explain how to mount ntfs drive and wich is the correct line in /etc/fstab please? |
| 22:25.43 | initech | deviant: boot with the cd, mount the raid device, chroot on it and run lilo |
| 22:25.45 | Seb | donfilipo: man mount ? |
| 22:25.55 | Seb | donfilipo: make sure you mount read-only. Read-write is dangerous. |
| 22:26.43 | donfilipo | i know that but do not know the line in /etc/fstab so i get error mounting it |
| 22:26.44 | thomas_adam | !tell donfilipo about user accessible ntfs |
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| 22:29.50 | calljair | hello guys??? |
| 22:30.06 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
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| 22:30.39 | calljair | anyone here has been able of configure samba as a PDC using only and unique debian? |
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| 22:30.55 | thomas_adam | calljair: Have you asked #samba ? |
| 22:31.04 | thomas_adam | calljair: (the distro is irrelevant.) |
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| 22:31.28 | paradox_ | when i start xwindows i get a window tell me it can't write to /tmp and then it quits |
| 22:31.57 | js_ | chmod 1777 /tmp |
| 22:32.02 | paradox_ | k |
| 22:32.04 | paradox_ | thanx |
| 22:32.21 | calljair | thomas_adam I think it is... the tools are not available completely I think for other distros, at least in the tutorial I am following they are using RH 9 "old stuff" |
| 22:32.31 | thomas_adam | paradox_: For the record, it's "X" or "X11" -- there's no such thing as 'xwindows'. |
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| 22:32.44 | thomas_adam | calljair: Really. |
| 22:32.50 | paradox_ | k. |
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| 22:33.02 | calljair | thomas_adam and yes I has been in samba, but it looks like someone die today.. :) |
| 22:33.13 | thomas_adam | calljair: I know. It's so annoying. |
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| 22:33.38 | calljair | thomas_adam has you configure it? |
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| 22:34.16 | calljair | thomas_adam haha ok US delicate guy |
| 22:34.32 | thomas_adam | calljair: No. I am English. |
| 22:34.48 | calljair | you put US :) |
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| 22:34.51 | fooz | thomas_adam, haha US delicate guy :P |
| 22:34.59 | amorphix | hi, im having a problem with a file permission, theres a file with permissions: -rwxrwxrwx, to set to user:user but the user cant see the file in ftp, is there permission wrong? |
| 22:35.02 | thomas_adam | calljair: What? You're not making any sense. |
| 22:35.16 | amorphix | hi thomas |
| 22:35.17 | thomas_adam | amorphix: 777? That's one up from the devil. |
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| 22:35.40 | thomas_adam | amorphix: Can you possibly provide more details? |
| 22:35.40 | amorphix | thomas: i know, they should be able to see it eh? |
| 22:35.48 | sihkzz | thomas_adam: Wouldn't that be 111 up from the devil? |
| 22:35.54 | thomas_adam | amorphix: 777 as a perm value is evil. |
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| 22:35.55 | amorphix | thomas_adam ok i will try |
| 22:36.12 | thomas_adam | sihkzz: My brand of humour is an acquired taste. |
| 22:36.13 | amorphix | thomas_adam: I set it to see if the user could see the file |
| 22:36.26 | thomas_adam | amorphix: That's still no guarantee -- what about file ownership? |
| 22:36.55 | sihkzz | thomas_adam: I found it funny, just couldn't resist throwing that one in |
| 22:37.01 | amorphix | thomas_adam: -rwxrwxrwx 1 steph steph (the user steph is logged in via ftp yet cant see this file) |
| 22:37.17 | thomas_adam | amorphix: What about the directory perms ? |
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| 22:37.43 | Wyzard | amorphix: Seeing a file depends on read permission on the directory, not on the file |
| 22:37.49 | amorphix | thomas_adam: drwxrwxrwx 2 www-data www-data |
| 22:37.55 | Wyzard | amorphix: Seeing the *contents* of the file depends on read permission on the file |
| 22:37.57 | thomas_adam | amorphix: Ye gads, man! |
| 22:38.04 | amorphix | phew |
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| 22:38.16 | thomas_adam | amorphix: 755, damn you. |
| 22:38.16 | amorphix | but that should allow the user to see any files? |
| 22:38.30 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 22:38.34 | Wyzard | Yes, it should |
| 22:38.43 | amorphix | so whats gone wrong? |
| 22:38.43 | Wyzard | Check the FTP server logs for any unusual messages |
| 22:38.44 | thomas_adam | amorphix: At least use user/group ownership as intended -- andnot abuse permnissions by setting the whole damn thing as 777;. |
| 22:38.58 | amorphix | ok |
| 22:39.16 | thomas_adam | amorphix: Can this user touch(1) a file in that directory? |
| 22:39.17 | amorphix | perhaps i need to touch the file/directory? |
| 22:39.20 | Gathond | amorphix: the ftp server might impose further restristions than the filesystems |
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| 22:39.36 | amorphix | good point |
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| 22:40.18 | thomas_adam | amorphix: I assume you've read your ftp logs? |
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| 22:40.49 | thomas_adam | Ah, wait a moment: Rule #1: Never assume anything. |
| 22:41.02 | amorphix | ive checked the logs, nuffin unusual |
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| 22:41.23 | Wyzard | Is it just me, or have there been very few updates in sid for the past two days? |
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| 22:41.48 | thomas_adam | amorphix: So do some basic problem solving... can you touch a file? If you place some random file in there, can the user access it? |
| 22:41.53 | Wyzard | few or none |
| 22:42.00 | thomas_adam | Wyzard: It has been known. |
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| 22:42.04 | sanmarcos | how can I download a few packages with apt-get, just download the debs witouth having to go to packages.debian.org and doing it manually? |
| 22:42.06 | thomas_adam | Wyzard: And it's not surprising, either. |
| 22:42.18 | Wyzard | thomas_adam: Why? |
| 22:42.22 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: apt-get -d install foo foo3 foo5 |
| 22:42.26 | Kupal[]_ | thomas_adam: :) |
| 22:42.36 | sanmarcos | thomas_adam: is already the newest version. does nothing |
| 22:42.38 | thomas_adam | Wyzard: Well, the last big change was gnome... |
| 22:42.44 | amorphix | thomas_adam: ok i will check |
| 22:42.47 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: Then what are you worrying about? |
| 22:42.56 | sanmarcos | thomas_adam: I need to get them |
| 22:43.02 | Wyzard | thomas_adam: Well, usually (even during the sarge freeze) there are a few packages updated each day |
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| 22:43.08 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: So check your apt archice. |
| 22:43.13 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: /var/.... |
| 22:43.13 | sanmarcos | thomas_adam: this sucks |
| 22:43.19 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: No it doesn't. |
| 22:43.28 | Wyzard | thomas_adam: Today there have been zero updates on my desktop system, and one on my laptop... fewer than usual |
| 22:43.28 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: The debs will be in situ. |
| 22:43.35 | thomas_adam | Wyzard: Quite. |
| 22:43.39 | sanmarcos | thomas_adam: yes, you cant download a package if its in a higher version (not from my archive) instaleed |
| 22:43.43 | thomas_adam | Wyzard: Nothing to worry about. |
| 22:43.50 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: What are you trying to do? |
| 22:43.53 | Kerpal | I am compiling freeradius. Its through out that it can't fin mysql.h or errmsg.h, the configure line is correct, but make or the makescript is smoking crack.. i am staring at the include now.. whats the easiest way for me to make this compile? |
| 22:44.00 | Wyzard | thomas_adam: I just wondered if there was something going on that I didn't know about :-) |
| 22:44.05 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: You might have to use pinning, but that's a silly thing to do. |
| 22:44.07 | Kerpal | s/through/throw's/ |
| 22:44.08 | sanmarcos | thomas_adam: get those packages |
| 22:44.22 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: :| |
| 22:44.23 | sanmarcos | thomas_adam: Ill give it 999 to unstable, good idea |
| 22:44.29 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: God no. |
| 22:44.36 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: What are you trying to do, for the third time? |
| 22:44.38 | sanmarcos | thomas_adam: so I can downgrade those packages tot he unstable version |
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| 22:44.52 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: Downgrade what, and _why_? |
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| 22:45.13 | sanmarcos | thomas_adam: the packages I have installed for dbus are 0.30 the ones in unstable are 0.2x, and I need them for compatibility, all dbus apps wont work unless |
| 22:45.23 | gtlarue | I notice something odd when running fluxbox |
| 22:45.31 | thomas_adam | gtlarue: Tell #fluxbox about it. |
| 22:45.35 | gtlarue | my glxgears fps is much lower |
| 22:45.40 | Kerpal | nm its hacked (i hope) |
| 22:45.44 | sanmarcos | thomas_adam: my dbus packs are self made, anyways, and I cant remove them (Dep hell), or downgrade with apt |
| 22:45.45 | gtlarue | than when I run it under gnome |
| 22:45.57 | sanmarcos | thomas_adam: thats why I need dpkg -i those debs, or ILl just pin it now |
| 22:46.01 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: That's your own fault, then., |
| 22:46.10 | sanmarcos | thomas_adam: yeah, thats helpful |
| 22:46.26 | Kerpal | anyhow. thomas_adam: Gooday bloak :) |
| 22:47.03 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: You're going to have to (ideally) either grab the packages yourself (p.d.o) and --force-override or whatever, with dpkg -i, or remove your own packages and reinstall them afterwards, Either method will fuck your system. |
| 22:47.23 | sanmarcos | thomas_adam: no it wont |
| 22:47.38 | Kerpal | sanmarcos what are you doing? |
| 22:47.48 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: Be my guest. It's your machine. |
| 22:47.50 | sanmarcos | Kerpal: not explaining again, red up |
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| 22:48.23 | Kerpal | nm |
| 22:48.32 | Kerpal | not scrolling to where i can't cause i haven't been here |
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| 22:49.38 | sanmarcos | thomas_adam: you mean it will fuck up dbus, thats it, no big deal, Ill hand remov eit |
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| 22:49.47 | amorphix | thomas_adams: touching the files solved it, and the ftp client was caching i think |
| 22:49.54 | Kant1 | hello |
| 22:50.06 | thomas_adam | amorphix: Perhaps. |
| 22:50.10 | amorphix | thomas_adams: what its a safe permission to set folders/files which are in htdocs? |
| 22:50.18 | Kant1 | does anyone know any WiFi card that has a Debian Driver ? |
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| 22:50.24 | thomas_adam | amorphix: 755 on the dir, 644 on the files. |
| 22:50.35 | amorphix | thanks, i will have to change all these |
| 22:50.35 | deviant | initech: i can`t install LILO. and cant intall GRUB either |
| 22:50.37 | thomas_adam | amorphix: and it's "Thomas Adam" -- my surname is not plural. |
| 22:50.44 | amorphix | apologies |
| 22:51.02 | amorphix | i knew someone called Adams (surname) and so i get confused |
| 22:51.11 | idnar | use tab-completion ;) |
| 22:51.17 | Kerpal | thomas_adam: these guys pissing you off? |
| 22:51.22 | thomas_adam | Kerpal: No. |
| 22:51.40 | FieldySnuts | !what does thomas_adam pay you for? |
| 22:51.41 | dpkg | normally thomas_adam pays me for anal stimulation, fieldysnuts, but I've really had enough... |
| 22:51.43 | thomas_adam | deviant: You only need one. |
| 22:51.45 | FieldySnuts | ouch |
| 22:51.48 | Kerpal | cause you have never not returned my greeting, this place is so could lately |
| 22:51.52 | Kerpal | grr |
| 22:51.53 | Kerpal | cold |
| 22:51.58 | FieldySnuts | Kerpal: wah. |
| 22:52.04 | thomas_adam | Kerpal: Oh, I must have overlooked it. "Hello." |
| 22:52.07 | Kerpal | FieldySnuts: hi :) |
| 22:52.12 | Kant1 | Any driver for a WIFI card ???? |
| 22:52.20 | thomas_adam | Kerpal: Any clue to your question? |
| 22:52.22 | Kerpal | FieldySnuts: don't want you to be left out either. |
| 22:52.26 | Kerpal | fixed it |
| 22:52.27 | thomas_adam | Kant1: ^^ |
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| 22:52.42 | Kerpal | i just added the headers to the ./src/includer dir for that package |
| 22:52.42 | deviant | thomas_adam: yes, i know that. but i can`t install none of the which one |
| 22:53.00 | thomas_adam | deviant: What? When you installed Debina, assuming you used the d-i, you'd get grub. |
| 22:53.00 | xerop | how can i block 2 ip address at the same time using iptables |
| 22:53.08 | sanmarcos | thomas_adam: anyways, thank you for your anti social behavior, I fixed it, fuck you nerd |
| 22:53.10 | Kerpal | (i have miss-spell check on it autocorrects i swear its not me) |
| 22:53.10 | Kant1 | thomas_adam: what does it mean? |
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| 22:53.15 | thomas_adam | xerop: Read a basic iptables tutorial. |
| 22:53.24 | Kerpal | sanmarcos: you can suck it. |
| 22:53.25 | thomas_adam | Kant1: It means you need to be more specific. |
| 22:53.31 | oKtosiTe | I've just set up nfs on my desktop and server boxen. it works well, but I can't access my remote home directory as if I were the remote version of myself. Is there any way to get my own home directory read-write, without allowing other users on my client box access? |
| 22:53.33 | deviant | thomas_adam: i try do install debian an a hardware raid 0 arry |
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| 22:54.00 | thomas_adam | oKtosiTe: User-space NFS or kernel-space NFS? |
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| 22:54.11 | oKtosiTe | thomas_adam: kernel-space |
| 22:54.28 | Kant1 | thomas_adam: I want to buy a WIFI card that is able to be ran on Debian, The D-link does not have a driver for linux..... so I am searching for a brand name, or for a generic Driver |
| 22:54.30 | thomas_adam | oKtosiTe: And you've synced {U,G}Id on both client and server for the user? |
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| 22:54.56 | oKtosiTe | thomas_adam: I guess not, what's the drill? |
| 22:55.10 | thomas_adam | oKtosiTe: Read the NFS-howot on tldp.org |
| 22:55.58 | thomas_adam | Kant1: Pass, I'm only just replacing coax cable here... |
| 22:56.23 | Kant1 | thomas_adam: sorry |
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| 22:56.33 | oKtosiTe | thomas_adam: o.k. |
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| 22:56.46 | thomas_adam | oKtosiTe: You can export your /home directory in rw mode -- it's the perms you mount it as via the client that will help you here. |
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| 22:56.55 | deviant | common, anyone willing to help me install a fresh copy of debian on a raid 0 array ? pls! |
| 22:56.57 | thomas_adam | oKtosiTe: Really, the nfs-howto is quite good. |
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| 22:57.24 | shadowdemon | I have a quick question answerable by a simple yes or no anyone got sny time? |
| 22:57.31 | FieldySnuts | go for it |
| 22:57.39 | thomas_adam | sny? |
| 22:57.41 | thomas_adam | sunny? |
| 22:57.46 | capu | guys - i used wine to install EasyDVDShrink (for ripping dvds)... install was fine, it worked - but after that i couldn't open it... i read through the wikki, and it said to open it via wine <pathname>, but it didn't work, because the program hasn't used a sensible exe name for the program runfile |
| 22:57.47 | FieldySnuts | !date thomas_adam |
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| 22:57.57 | capu | how do i CD into the c:\program files? |
| 22:58.04 | thomas_adam | capu: Ask #winehq |
| 22:58.05 | FieldySnuts | capu: wrong network |
| 22:58.10 | shadowdemon | does debian have the ntfs rpm package standard installed? |
| 22:58.11 | capu | :( ok |
| 22:58.20 | FieldySnuts | i hope not, as debian doesn't use rpms. |
| 22:58.24 | thomas_adam | shadowdemon: No. |
| 22:58.31 | thomas_adam | shadowdemon: It's a facet of the kernel. |
| 22:58.32 | FieldySnuts | he said yes or no okay, to be fair, no |
| 22:58.41 | thomas_adam | shadowdemon: /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs |
| 22:58.46 | oKtosiTe | thomas_adam: if I go and flip around uids here, bad things might happen. scripts depend on my uid |
| 22:58.46 | thomas_adam | shadowdemon: debian does not use rpms. |
| 22:58.57 | thomas_adam | oKtosiTe: I said tp sych them. |
| 22:59.14 | shadowdemon | well i am trying to get my old ntfs disk mounted into my linux filesystem but it gives me only errors in respond and now i read something about that package. |
| 22:59.18 | thomas_adam | oKtosiTe: That is, if userA has UID 1000 on the server, userA must also have UID 1000 on the client as well. |
| 22:59.24 | thomas_adam | oKtosiTe: Same goes for the GID. |
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| 22:59.45 | thomas_adam | shadowdemon: Right -- and how did you think it relates to Debian in the slightest? |
| 22:59.57 | thomas_adam | shadowdemon: What have you tried to do? |
| 23:00.08 | shadowdemon | well i installed debian |
| 23:00.17 | shadowdemon | so i need to mount it in my debian system |
| 23:00.28 | thomas_adam | !tell shadowdemon -about user accessible ntfs |
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| 23:00.32 | thomas_adam | shadowdemon: read it. |
| 23:00.38 | shadowdemon | mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /miscdocs |
| 23:01.04 | thomas_adam | shadowdemon: read the factoid dpkg just /msg'd you. |
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| 23:02.42 | scarynetworkguy | !be reading barbie. |
| 23:02.43 | dpkg | Reading is HARD. |
| 23:02.51 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Hey. |
| 23:02.57 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:02.57 | thomas_adam | Hello, scarynetworkguy. |
| 23:03.07 | shadowdemon | wow ok i have to read that up thanx i try to find out how to work this |
| 23:03.21 | thomas_adam | shadowdemon: That's OK. |
| 23:03.24 | gtlarue | does anyone else get a huge drop in fps running glxgears when switching from gnome to fluxbox? |
| 23:03.36 | gtlarue | i score like, 1600 in gnome and 300 in flux |
| 23:03.43 | thomas_adam | gtlarue: Shame. |
| 23:03.49 | gtlarue | and that is after killing all the dockapps |
| 23:03.56 | thomas_adam | gtlarue: Anything in /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
| 23:04.08 | caphuso | gtlarue: same window size? |
| 23:04.12 | gtlarue | yeah |
| 23:04.32 | shadowdemon | is this the same for a disk you only wants to mount one time to copy the data? |
| 23:04.35 | gtlarue | uhhh, I kinda am running xorg that I apt-get' ed from an ubunto source so that file isnt there |
| 23:04.45 | thomas_adam | No kidding. |
| 23:04.51 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite gtlarue |
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| 23:04.56 | scarynetworkguy | Yay! |
| 23:05.08 | thomas_adam | gtlarue: Xorg isn't supported here -- you could try #xorg, I suppose. |
| 23:05.27 | gtlarue | well, im just trying to trace the source of this drop in score |
| 23:05.34 | gtlarue | the fluxbox kids say it isnt flux |
| 23:05.34 | lodeon | does anybody know if there's a modded version of 'logrotate' which let you store the logrotate entries in a mysql database? |
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| 23:05.41 | thomas_adam | gtlarue: It does seem a little strange. |
| 23:05.51 | thomas_adam | lodeon: Why? |
| 23:05.55 | gtlarue | and I thought maybe the debian kids would be able to tell me if its the distro |
| 23:06.03 | thomas_adam | gtlarue: No. |
| 23:06.11 | gtlarue | because some gentoo users suggested I ask ;) |
| 23:06.17 | thomas_adam | I bet they did, |
| 23:06.19 | gtlarue | was probably a bad idea to obey |
| 23:06.24 | thomas_adam | You think? |
| 23:06.37 | Pryon | if the only thing you've changed is the window manager it's probably due to the window manager |
| 23:06.40 | lodeon | thomas_adam: cos it would be easier to maintain from our controlpanel |
| 23:06.46 | scarynetworkguy | gtlarue: Doing *anything* a Gentoo luser tells you to is a bad idea. |
| 23:07.11 | gtlarue | heh |
| 23:07.25 | xerop | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.38 | lodeon | thomas_adam: it would be better to r/w from a mysql database, rather then dealing with files |
| 23:07.40 | scarynetworkguy | !tell xerop aobut smart questions. |
| 23:07.50 | scarynetworkguy | !tell xerop aobut smart questions |
| 23:08.16 | thomas_adam | lodeon: Sound like a stupid idea to me. |
| 23:08.19 | scarynetworkguy | God I wish I could type. |
| 23:08.20 | Pryon | does the -i switch to iptables support a comma-separated list of interfaces? |
| 23:08.57 | lodeon | thomas_adam: why do think that? |
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| 23:11.20 | dix | How unsecure is it to run with sendmail?.. Im just using it send emails out. |
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| 23:14.33 | Langly1 | whats the command to remove a package installed by dpkg |
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| 23:14.49 | thomas_adam | Langly1: apt-get remove foo |
| 23:14.55 | EvilSporkMan | anyone having trouble getting pydance to run? I'm getting an overflow when i try to start it |
| 23:15.10 | thomas_adam | EvilSporkMan: Too much snake charming? |
| 23:15.24 | EvilSporkMan | thomas_adam: beg pardon? |
| 23:15.40 | thomas_adam | EvilSporkMan: Python... oh, nevermind. |
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| 23:15.52 | thomas_adam | EvilSporkMan: You might at least supply the error. |
| 23:16.12 | EvilSporkMan | OverflowError: signed integer is greater than maximum |
| 23:16.37 | EvilSporkMan | the error is in /usr/share/games/pydance/constants.py |
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| 23:17.55 | FieldySnuts | ask #python ? |
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| 23:19.42 | EvilSporkMan | FieldySnuts: why would #python know? |
| 23:19.53 | FieldySnuts | uh, because .py is a python script? |
| 23:20.05 | thomas_adam | EvilSporkMan: Why do you think? |
| 23:20.08 | thomas_adam | (this should be good.0 |
| 23:20.27 | FieldySnuts | should be lame, going now bbl |
| 23:20.48 | thomas_adam | It could be that your taste in music is teh suck, EvilSporkMan... |
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| 23:25.13 | DimmuR | sihkzz: i know why i used /root/XF86Config... i was manualy started gdm from root... |
| 23:25.22 | DimmuR | but now i have worse problem :/ |
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| 23:27.05 | brotroxer | Hello guys, is it possible to kill a remote idle session from someone that has logged in through ssh? |
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| 23:27.47 | Xenguy | brotroxer: do you want to kill all their sessions? |
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| 23:28.26 | scarynetworkguy | brotroxer: slay is going to likely be your best choice. That or a 1 metere piece of sucker pipe. |
| 23:28.37 | vladster | I am having trouble connecting to the nerim repository |
| 23:28.44 | Xenguy | brotroxer: I second 'slay' |
| 23:29.00 | vladster | I resolves fine, just connection is not working |
| 23:30.25 | vladster | I get a connection timed out than a no route to host |
| 23:30.47 | vladster | then * |
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| 23:30.55 | scarynetworkguy | vladster: And you are bothering us with this exactly why? |
| 23:31.47 | sDES | what happens if I use non-reserved addresses like 1.1.1.1 in my private subnets? |
| 23:32.04 | vladster | I need to upgrade in order to get the HDTV card to build the driver |
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| 23:32.26 | vladster | Build driver for card, |
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| 23:32.53 | ixi | Hi. My current kernel is 2.6.11.7 and I want to move to 2.6.12. I think I need to apply these patches: 2.6.11.8, 2.6.11.9, 2.6.12. Is it correct? |
| 23:32.53 | Pryon | sDES: you trouble yourself unnecessarily |
| 23:32.55 | scarynetworkguy | sDES: The Universe collapses into a quantum singularity. |
| 23:32.58 | ixi | If so why 2.6.11.8 and 2.6.11.9 are so small (10-15kb) while 2.6.12 is about 5Mb! |
| 23:33.09 | ixi | (sry for offtpoic) |
| 23:33.27 | sDES | Pryon: Is it possible that it causes problems with my ipsec ? |
| 23:33.45 | sDES | scarynetworkguy: time paradox ? |
| 23:33.48 | scarynetworkguy | vladster: Since the person who admins the network and/or server that said repository is on going on about it here is unlikely to do you any good. |
| 23:33.52 | vladster | can the patch be made directly to the 2.6.12 |
| 23:34.11 | vladster | running 2,6,8 now |
| 23:34.19 | scarynetworkguy | sDES: WTF would you want to do something that fucking stupid in the first place? |
| 23:34.44 | sDES | scarynetworkguy: to type faster :)( yes, I have head of /etc/hosts ) |
| 23:34.51 | vladster | I need the kernel headers from the 2.6.12 |
| 23:35.30 | scarynetworkguy | God that is the most fucking stupid thing I have heard in a long week of hearing stupid things. |
| 23:35.32 | Pryon | sDES: I don't know if it will cause problems. It is, however, highly unlikely to be troublesome if you do things correctly. |
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| 23:36.16 | scarynetworkguy | And the stupid give advice to the stupid. |
| 23:37.04 | sDES | Pryon: I've set up ipsec using setkey between 2 hosts 1.1.1.1 and 1.1.1.2.(wireless interfaces).All data is esp between them,BUT I cannot make the tunnel thing to work |
| 23:37.05 | Pryon | If you'd care to read for content, you'd understand that, by correctly, I mean use 192.168.* or 10.0 |
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| 23:37.28 | sDES | Pryon: yes , I know, or 172.16.0.1/16 |
| 23:37.51 | sDES | Pryon: bu it should work anyways, shouldn't it ? |
| 23:38.02 | Pryon | like I said, I don't know., |
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| 23:38.32 | sDES | Pryon: shit, back to the drawing board for me then :) |
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| 23:38.37 | sDES | Pryon: thanks anyway |
| 23:38.42 | thenuke | 02:43 -!- pinko [~pinko@70-59-154-75.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu |
| 23:38.42 | thenuke | 02:43 < pinko> join debian |
| 23:38.44 | thenuke | 02:43 < pinko> heh. |
| 23:38.47 | thenuke | 02:43 < pinko> sorry |
| 23:38.49 | thenuke | 02:43 < thenuke> pinko: heh heh. |
| 23:38.55 | ixi | Can anyone help me with patches? |
| 23:38.56 | thenuke | plplease kick&ban stupid adversers, OK? |
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| 23:44.40 | fatman_heinz-emu | servus@all |
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| 23:46.19 | dix | How unsecure is it to run with sendmail?.. Im just using it send emails out. |
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| 23:47.36 | initech | dix: not at all. it's just that it's a little overly complicated for just that |
| 23:47.39 | intension | dix then be carefull not to spam yourserlf |
| 23:48.12 | abs | hello all - this is my first time in th IRC chat, just switched over to linux |
| 23:48.44 | intension | ok i managed to get cb + simpleforum + mamblog all working together :p |
| 23:49.01 | nvz | abs: read the /topic, and wouldnt hurt to also look at the freenode channel guidelines when you have a minute http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
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| 23:49.34 | intension | thanks nvz |
| 23:50.03 | nvz | abs: Welcome to #debian, This is a discussion channel. if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. |
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| 23:50.47 | nvz | however if you have a question about ubuntu, knoppix, mepis, demudi..etc take it to their channel. |
| 23:51.05 | kjparker | !vnc |
| 23:51.05 | dpkg | methinks vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about x-not-vnc |
| 23:51.18 | abs | i see |
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| 23:51.56 | abs | if i was to aks a question about maya am i in the wrong place |
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| 23:52.07 | nvz | !info maya |
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| 23:52.18 | nvz | !+info maya |
| 23:52.20 | dpkg | Package 'maya' does not exist. |
| 23:52.32 | nvz | abs: unless you can explain what it is, and what it has to do with debian, yes |
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| 23:53.05 | sussudio | i believe maya is some sort of animation program that has absolutely nothing to do with debian whatsoever. |
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| 23:53.22 | nvz | abs: unless you mean mayavi, or amaya |
| 23:53.28 | abs | maya 6.5 the 3d program, and wo to istall it on linux, i gather it does not matter what packege i use as long as they are based on debian |
| 23:53.29 | initech | abs: well not likely that anyone in here has a clue about it, but it's possible |
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| 23:53.35 | effy | hello |
| 23:53.49 | nvz | !info mayavi |
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| 23:53.54 | dpkg | mayavi: (A scientific data visualization system), section science, is optional. Version: 1.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 443 kB, Installed size: 1660 kB |
| 23:53.56 | nvz | abs: you mean that ^ |
| 23:54.22 | initech | nvz: no he means maya, the 3d program that costs like $50K |
| 23:54.39 | abs | alias wavfront Maya |
| 23:54.45 | abs | costs 5k |
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| 23:54.50 | abs | i think |
| 23:54.57 | abs | got the edu version |
| 23:55.06 | initech | well shit i don't know, but I'm sure it's more than 5K |
| 23:55.11 | nvz | abs: you gathered wrong. this is a debian discussion. we gather here because we know about debian. if your question relates to debian ask, otherwise you will have to find a different audience |
| 23:55.16 | abs | :) |
| 23:55.42 | effy | where did you get it? |
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| 23:56.10 | abs | my mistake, i will carry on the hunt for the answers which will guid me to the light |
| 23:56.17 | effy | no ask please |
| 23:56.20 | abs | the 3d world |
| 23:56.21 | effy | i might be able to help |
| 23:56.27 | initech | abs: perhaps some folks in #gimp might have some clue about it, aren't many graphics people in here |
| 23:56.50 | abs | oooooh, my mistake, sorry, |
| 23:56.56 | kjparker | can someone please tell dpkg that the xserver that (s)he tell you to get when you " /msg dpkg x-not-vnc" is not free anymore? |
| 23:57.06 | effy | abs: im into gfx |
| 23:57.12 | sussudio | initech: myeah... like talking about edlin in #emacs or something |
| 23:57.13 | abs | cooool |
| 23:57.21 | effy | ask your q plz |
| 23:57.27 | abs | effy: i love my 3d stuff |
| 23:57.28 | nvz | abs: this is freenode, its a network for peer-directed projects. not for $5,000 commercial software, if you obtained software that expensive and cant use it you should ask the company for support, they obviously have enough money to support it |
| 23:57.52 | initech | sussudio: lol, no the gfx people are way into maya, usually |
| 23:58.15 | abs | i never said i paid for it dude, its a free verison, as it is for educational need |
| 23:58.25 | nvz | abs: its not DFSG free. |
| 23:58.33 | talkwebhosts | :P |
| 23:58.36 | effy | where did you get it |
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| 23:58.49 | aurax | hello |
| 23:58.53 | nvz | abs: its off-topic here, effy has offered to help, you guys are welcome to discuss it in a /msg, its way off-topic in here |
| 23:58.54 | talkwebhosts | hey |
| 23:59.08 | aurax | how is it possible to make my second ethernet card to be automaticlly up instead of using manually ifup eth1 |
| 23:59.16 | abs | u mean like privet msg |
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| 23:59.33 | initech | edit /etc/network/interfaces and put "auto eth1" in there ? |
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