| 00:00.10 | aurax | did it |
| 00:00.18 | andymixdmc | hello |
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| 00:00.30 | aurax | ohh |
| 00:00.33 | aurax | sorry didnt |
| 00:00.36 | aurax | thanks initech |
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| 00:01.09 | remyforbes777 | hello everyone |
| 00:01.12 | Heinkel | hi |
| 00:01.13 | andymixdmc | some one speak spanis? |
| 00:01.20 | Heinkel | yo mismamente |
| 00:01.31 | andymixdmc | hola |
| 00:01.33 | thomas_adam | andymixdmc: /msg dpkg es |
| 00:01.34 | aurax | i speak pennis |
| 00:01.46 | remyforbes777 | can anyone tell me how to stop x from starting at boot, it locks up my box |
| 00:01.54 | thomas_adam | remyforbes777: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 00:01.57 | Supaplex | aurax: apparently you don't spell it. |
| 00:02.01 | shingouz | remyforbes777: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 00:02.12 | andymixdmc | como puedo instalar emule en debian? |
| 00:02.12 | aurax | spennis ? |
| 00:02.13 | aurax | :P |
| 00:02.17 | remyforbes777 | excellent thanks fellas |
| 00:02.20 | remyforbes777 | and gals |
| 00:02.21 | thomas_adam | !+es |
| 00:02.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:02.23 | Heinkel | oh, you are from asspain? |
| 00:02.27 | aurax | andymixdmc : xmule/amule |
| 00:02.35 | aurax | apt-get install xmule lalala |
| 00:02.47 | aurax | if its ported |
| 00:02.51 | andymixdmc | xmule |
| 00:02.54 | remyforbes777 | exactly what does that command do |
| 00:02.59 | remyforbes777 | i mean i know it stops x |
| 00:03.07 | aurax | gdm? |
| 00:03.16 | Supaplex | it prevents the display manager from loading (init.d) |
| 00:03.24 | remyforbes777 | ahhhh |
| 00:03.29 | aurax | do alt-ctrl-f2 |
| 00:03.34 | aurax | to get to console no. two |
| 00:03.39 | aurax | and fix it |
| 00:03.41 | aurax | :) |
| 00:04.01 | jim | !tell aurax -about enter |
| 00:04.20 | aurax | !tell jim -about enter |
| 00:04.24 | andymixdmc | aurax eres una chica? |
| 00:04.26 | thomas_adam | aurax: :| |
| 00:04.26 | aurax | good dpkg |
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| 00:04.46 | Supaplex | andymixdmc: #debian-es |
| 00:04.46 | aurax | <3 |
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| 00:04.57 | remyforbes777 | were you referring to me aurax |
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| 00:05.03 | aurax | anyone here uses debian as dhcp server/gateway ? |
| 00:05.11 | aurax | about what remy ? |
| 00:05.11 | remyforbes777 | when you said do alt-ctrl-f2 |
| 00:05.13 | Heinkel | andymixdmc you're supposed to speak english here, so everybody can understand you |
| 00:05.14 | aurax | yes remy |
| 00:05.15 | thomas_adam | aurax: Lots. What's your question? |
| 00:05.17 | aurax | just an idea |
| 00:05.19 | Supaplex | aurax: well yes. |
| 00:05.20 | remyforbes777 | ok |
| 00:05.28 | remyforbes777 | do that at startup |
| 00:05.29 | aurax | nada, im trying to setup this gateway here |
| 00:05.37 | jim | !tell aurax about ask to ask |
| 00:05.39 | andymixdmc | me despido regresare otro dia bye(Y);) |
| 00:05.43 | aurax | jim stfu |
| 00:05.43 | aurax | k |
| 00:05.43 | aurax | thx |
| 00:05.44 | aurax | . |
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| 00:05.45 | thomas_adam | aurax: Then read a basic networking howto. |
| 00:05.50 | thomas_adam | !tell aurax -about enter |
| 00:05.51 | aurax | : |
| 00:05.54 | aurax | rofl |
| 00:05.55 | Supaplex | haha |
| 00:05.56 | aurax | you guys are in sane |
| 00:05.58 | thomas_adam | aurax: Damn well read it. |
| 00:06.04 | Heinkel | o_0 |
| 00:06.05 | aurax | how can i read it |
| 00:06.08 | aurax | when i get flood |
| 00:06.11 | aurax | eh? |
| 00:06.13 | thomas_adam | aurax: So adhere to it, please. |
| 00:06.24 | andymixdmc | heinkel(Y) |
| 00:06.45 | Heinkel | don't make me tell you what (Y) looks like |
| 00:06.46 | Heinkel | lol |
| 00:07.01 | remyforbes777 | anyone here use ubuntu |
| 00:07.08 | aurax | yeah me |
| 00:07.11 | Wyzard | remyforbes777: #ubuntu |
| 00:07.12 | thomas_adam | remyforbes777: #ubuntu |
| 00:07.13 | aurax | on my other box.. |
| 00:07.16 | aurax | :) its cool |
| 00:07.17 | Supaplex | remyforbes777: no, only people in #ubuntu do |
| 00:07.17 | remyforbes777 | ok |
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| 00:07.30 | remyforbes777 | cool |
| 00:07.31 | jim | !tell aurax -about enter |
| 00:07.39 | aurax | !tell jim -about enter |
| 00:07.43 | thomas_adam | aurax: Stop it. |
| 00:07.44 | remyforbes777 | thanks a lot fellas and gals |
| 00:07.45 | aurax | !tell jim -about he's being a fag. |
| 00:07.49 | thomas_adam | aurax: Stop it. |
| 00:07.52 | aurax | no |
| 00:07.59 | aurax | chill u lame ass nerd |
| 00:08.03 | Supaplex | !lart aurax |
| 00:08.10 | thomas_adam | !ops aurax is generally being a PITA. |
| 00:08.10 | aurax | oh noes !11 |
| 00:08.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aurax is generally being a PITA. |
| 00:08.12 | aurax | rofl |
| 00:08.34 | aurax | hehe |
| 00:08.37 | Heinkel | that's the black list? |
| 00:08.38 | jim | !ops aurax troll/mild flood/pita/refuses to read |
| 00:08.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aurax troll/mild flood/pita/refuses to read |
| 00:08.45 | Wyzard | aurax: You're being told to stop scrolling the channel with short lines... is it really so much trouble to be courteous? |
| 00:08.56 | aurax | sometimes, yeah. |
| 00:09.00 | aurax | nothing personal ehhe... |
| 00:09.05 | Wyzard | aurax: The "screw you all, you can't tell me what to do" attitude will get you kicked and/or banned |
| 00:09.12 | ColonelKernel | who is that list of names - the ops? |
| 00:09.13 | aurax | oh noes .... |
| 00:09.20 | thomas_adam | ColonelKernel: No. |
| 00:09.32 | ColonelKernel | some of them are |
| 00:10.03 | thomas_adam | ColonelKernel: Well then. You answered your own question. |
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| 00:10.17 | ColonelKernel | whats the list tho? |
| 00:10.26 | thomas_adam | Ugh. |
| 00:10.27 | aurax | for special users. |
| 00:10.50 | aurax | <3 |
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| 00:10.58 | Supaplex | ColonelKernel: well apparently it's not an exaustive list of ops. was that so hard to figure out? |
| 00:11.10 | Supaplex | what's it matter anyway... |
| 00:11.15 | DimmuR | I'm trying to install fglrx on radeon 9200 on kernel 2.6.11.12 but after all i get only "no screens found"... i tried even ChipID doesn't help... can some1 help me? |
| 00:11.16 | aurax | hehe, true. |
| 00:11.25 | Heinkel | hi catulix |
| 00:11.35 | Supaplex | tell DimmuR -about setup x |
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| 00:11.42 | Jimi-Jam | hi |
| 00:11.43 | Supaplex | !tell DimmuR -about setup x |
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| 00:12.21 | Heinkel | hey jimi |
| 00:12.34 | nvz | the ops are busy cooking again |
| 00:12.35 | tvn | what can I use to open a *.wri format file ? I believe it's a documentation format in Windows |
| 00:12.41 | DimmuR | Supaplex: thx i try it |
| 00:12.46 | thomas_adam | tvn: use file -- what does it say? |
| 00:12.48 | nvz | tvn: its a Windows Write file |
| 00:13.02 | Dio6o__ | ai meu deus quanto loco neste canal |
| 00:13.08 | thomas_adam | Dio6o__: Eh? |
| 00:13.22 | Dio6o__ | uhum |
| 00:13.30 | Jimi-Jam | hi Heinkel, the Deutsche Focker |
| 00:13.40 | Dio6o__ | nawm sabia qe existiam tanta qe usava debiam |
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| 00:13.49 | thomas_adam | Dio6o__: In English./ |
| 00:14.05 | Dio6o__ | by... |
| 00:14.05 | andymixdmc | buenas |
| 00:14.17 | andymixdmc | hi |
| 00:14.17 | tvn | nvz: I use OO.org to open it but they ask what type to import, and that type is not present in the known type list |
| 00:14.27 | nvz | tvn: use file |
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| 00:15.40 | Jimi-Jam | me siento como en una discoteca con colegas por ah dentro |
| 00:16.04 | Jimi-Jam | sorry |
| 00:16.21 | tvn | thomas_adam: file says Microsoft Word , but OO says incorrect type |
| 00:16.36 | thomas_adam | tvn: Tyhen maybe the filters are imcomatible. |
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| 00:16.45 | thomas_adam | tvn: Google for a likely app. |
| 00:17.08 | nvz | tvn: MS Write.EXE is a fucked up mix between Notepad.exe Rich Text, and Word.exe's Doc format |
| 00:17.22 | nvz | tvn: people who use this application should be shot on sight |
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| 00:19.51 | E-bola | Do anybody here run psybnc on debian? |
| 00:19.57 | nvz | I dont really even remember how to work a spreadsheet, I am going to need to enter in formulas for entire cols so that when I fill in the first two or so cols, the rest are automatically calculated |
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| 00:22.02 | nvz | I am going to be listing every electrical or electronic device in the house, and their Energy(Voltage), Current(Amps), Power(Watts), average daily power consumption (Kilowatt hours)..etc |
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| 00:22.57 | nvz | its simple math, but would be easier if I didnt have to enter the data into all fields, as after certain things are provided, the rest can be easily calculated |
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| 00:23.01 | Jiv001 | I have questions about the Gnu system (hurd, mach microkernel) if possible, in relation to linux .. since Debian is said that it will be ported to Hurd |
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| 00:23.16 | aurax | Supaplex /part #debian |
| 00:23.21 | aurax | err |
| 00:23.21 | aurax | oops |
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| 00:24.06 | Jiv001 | my questions are for educational purpose |
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| 00:24.13 | xdAQ | How do i remove the postfix mail queue? |
| 00:24.38 | Antisoche | Can autofs multimaps be used as a method of failover? |
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| 00:24.52 | jim | Jiv001: maybe #gnu or #hurd have people with info of interest. |
| 00:24.54 | deadcat | xdAQ: postsuper -d ID |
| 00:25.03 | tofm | Hi. Which channel should I ask install problem questions? |
| 00:25.07 | Jiv001 | tried they were silent |
| 00:25.14 | thomas_adam | tofm: #debian-boot |
| 00:25.21 | tofm | Thanx |
| 00:25.25 | Jiv001 | I asked here because debian is planing to be ported to hurd |
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| 00:26.03 | Jiv001 | ok thanx anyway |
| 00:26.04 | Jiv001 | bye |
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| 00:26.09 | devazion | Jiv001 be ported to? debian works on hurd yeah? |
| 00:26.13 | jim | thomas_adam: -no-, they have requested to -not- handle help questions on the channel which they want used for development sync &etc... |
| 00:26.24 | jim | help questions to them via the mailing list |
| 00:26.26 | thomas_adam | jim: Fair enough. |
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| 00:26.54 | bahamian | tarzeau: ping |
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| 00:29.11 | tofm | Hi folks. I'm having problems installing Sarge on a Dell Latitude CPi |
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| 00:29.58 | jim | tofm: could you describe them |
| 00:30.35 | tofm | Installer can't find /cdrom/dists//Release file |
| 00:31.03 | tofm | Google search shows it may be crappy Dell CD drive. |
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| 00:31.31 | effy | is debian really 14 CDs? |
| 00:31.43 | thomas_adam | effy: Why so surprised? |
| 00:31.51 | ptlis | Upto 16 depending on architecture. |
| 00:31.59 | jim | effy: yes, sarge has lots of stuff... but you don't need the cds |
| 00:32.08 | effy | er cuz the others fit in 1 :) |
| 00:32.13 | Oddi | hardly |
| 00:32.18 | orchid | effy: a common method is the netinstall |
| 00:32.18 | thomas_adam | effy: Pfft. |
| 00:32.22 | tofm | The cd's include *ALL* software ported to Debian. You don't need all of them to install. |
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| 00:32.41 | effy | yeah yeah |
| 00:33.01 | effy | but the dsitro is the whole thing |
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| 00:33.22 | effy | so how many gigs does it install to? |
| 00:33.26 | sihkzz | I just attempted to play doom3 and it crashed back to console when trying to load into the first level. I can fix that problem myself, but my mouse movement speed has slowed down to a crawl. Doom3 isn't running any longer. Is there any way to reset the speed to default without Ctrl+Alt+Backspacing? |
| 00:33.48 | jim | effy: as many as you want, including fractions of a gig |
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| 00:34.03 | effy | all 14 |
| 00:34.07 | effy | or 12 |
| 00:34.12 | tofm | You install the base system, then choose packages. |
| 00:34.12 | otroean | effy, you only need cd 1 to install debian. after first reboot you just remoce the cd and choose ftp installation. |
| 00:34.30 | effy | I'M NOT TRYING TO INSTALL IT |
| 00:34.32 | jim | but you don't need them all (in fact some packages conflict with each other) |
| 00:34.50 | jim | effy: so what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 00:34.53 | effy | just curious |
| 00:34.58 | effy | cause i use others |
| 00:35.01 | jim | well, ok. |
| 00:35.10 | effy | fedora 2 has more stuff than ill ever need |
| 00:35.13 | effy | in a lifetime |
| 00:35.13 | jim | you can also see debian.org |
| 00:35.21 | effy | and thats 4 cds |
| 00:35.29 | tofm | Has anyone had (and solved) the "anna: /cdrom/dists//Release no such file or directory" problem |
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| 00:35.46 | thomas_adam | tofm: Have you a poor CD drive? |
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| 00:36.08 | jim | tofm: do you get the impression that it's the very first file that the installer tries to access? |
| 00:36.21 | tofm | Google search shows the problem with people installing from cd on several machines, but the developers are talking about bad Dell drives. |
| 00:36.21 | otroean | the good thing about choosing. ftp or something on the web is that you get the latest stable version. |
| 00:36.35 | thomas_adam | otroean: No. |
| 00:36.47 | otroean | thomas_adam, not? |
| 00:36.48 | tofm | Netinst is impractical for me; no internet at home. |
| 00:36.55 | thomas_adam | otroean: You choose which ever flavour you want -- ftp is one means of obtaining the files. |
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| 00:37.23 | jim | tofm: are you at home now? |
| 00:37.42 | jim | since no internet at home, must not be? |
| 00:38.00 | tofm | It seems that (according to the developers) the cd has to be re-read by the install system, and there's a problem with the second detetcion. |
| 00:38.03 | thomas_adam | Logically speaking, he can't be at home, can he. |
| 00:38.13 | initech | tofm: well get a dvd set then, debianvendor.org |
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| 00:38.47 | initech | tofm: re-read? |
| 00:38.53 | tofm | They say to umount from a virtual terminal, and re try the detection. I don't have the disks with me, so I'm just trying to see if other people have solved this problem in the real world.\ |
| 00:38.53 | jim | but if his cd isn't working, that wouldn't be worth the money, at least not for sure |
| 00:39.00 | Zordrack | can anyone point me to how to change the global character set in woody ? |
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| 00:39.26 | thomas_adam | Zordrack: dpkg-reconfigure console-data ? |
| 00:39.26 | initech | tofm: never seen nor heard of this problem |
| 00:39.36 | entheon | is the alsa site down for anyone else? |
| 00:39.40 | thomas_adam | Zordrack: Or do you mean locales? |
| 00:39.50 | tofm | This is an old laptop. It doesn't have a dvd drive, and can't boot from usb device. |
| 00:39.54 | Zordrack | thomas_adam> i mean locales |
| 00:40.09 | thomas_adam | Zordrack: Then install your locales. |
| 00:40.18 | thomas_adam | Zordrack: or dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:40.20 | jim | tofm: do you have occasional access to a fast connection? does the machine have a floppy drive? |
| 00:40.32 | tofm | I'm suffering with windows 98. I have to get Debian on this thing! |
| 00:40.36 | Zordrack | thomas_adam: thanx i'll try |
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| 00:41.00 | tofm | This machine has no floppy. I could network it to my home Debian box. |
| 00:41.08 | initech | tofm: i have an old p133 laptop, i just do everything off the network. it won't even boot a cd |
| 00:41.42 | jim | tofm: how fast is your home connection? |
| 00:42.03 | Zordrack | sometimes i really hate my life |
| 00:42.18 | jim | oic, no internet but you do have net cards on both machines? |
| 00:42.19 | tofm | It's a 10/100 ethernet card/cat 5 cable from one machine to the other. |
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| 00:42.30 | Thanatermesis | how to create a module ? |
| 00:42.42 | Thanatermesis | sorry, a /dev file |
| 00:42.51 | Thanatermesis | I need to create /dev/cloop |
| 00:43.10 | tofm | Maybe I'll try to boot the install disk in expert mode, see if I can get it to read the disks across the network on the desktop box? |
| 00:43.18 | jim | Thanatermesis: mknod and see (kernel source dir)/Documentation/devices.txt |
| 00:43.53 | Zordrack | OT> anyone know of a software router for winxp ? |
| 00:44.21 | jim | Zordrack: debian can do that |
| 00:44.42 | jim | and better than winxp or winanything can |
| 00:44.55 | Zordrack | jim: yes but debian has no access to the net as all i have is a cheapo winmodem :) |
| 00:44.58 | tofm | Well, gotta go. Thanks |
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| 00:45.34 | jim | Zordrack: get an external |
| 00:46.03 | Zordrack | jim: it's 1:45 in the morning here. it's not really an option |
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| 00:47.41 | nonforma | I have a webserver that is now under what I think is high load, I was wondering if anyone could help me optimize it or find out if I need to get a bigger server |
| 00:47.58 | nonforma | Stats are at http://makeshiftonline.net/stats/ |
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| 00:48.04 | thomas_adam | nonforma: Can you be more specific about any services apache is also handling? |
| 00:48.21 | nonforma | Its mainly apache, mysql, php |
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| 00:48.41 | nonforma | The site is a social networking site, kinda like friendster and myspace |
| 00:48.50 | thomas_adam | piespy? |
| 00:49.02 | nonforma | I didn't code it, I'm just doing the server, but I think the problem is there are too many mysql queries |
| 00:49.13 | thomas_adam | Could be. |
| 00:49.21 | nonforma | His code calls for so many queries each time a page is loaded, we're at about 180 queries per second |
| 00:49.29 | thomas_adam | No way... |
| 00:49.38 | jim | Zordrack: sorry but I have no idea, don't need that type of thing myself... really, your best bet is to hold off and get something better |
| 00:49.41 | nonforma | lol, is that sarcasm? |
| 00:49.43 | thomas_adam | You either have a poor schema, or a poor coder, or both. |
| 00:49.51 | nonforma | yeah, i think its the code |
| 00:49.56 | nonforma | im looking at the phpmyadmin stats |
| 00:50.07 | thomas_adam | nonforma: If you have to make 180 calls, something is really wrong. |
| 00:50.23 | nonforma | well thats not per page |
| 00:50.27 | nonforma | thats jsut the average |
| 00:50.28 | nonforma | per second |
| 00:50.33 | thomas_adam | Still a lot. |
| 00:50.47 | nonforma | ive done a lot of debian servers, but this is my first high load one |
| 00:50.55 | jim | nonforma: definitely poor coder. there should be a max of 3-4 database hits per page, and if he can't do it in -1- hit most of the time especially for just queries, your coder -sux- |
| 00:51.03 | nonforma | only thing ive done differently is change the time the apache threads stay alive to 2 seconds |
| 00:51.08 | nonforma | since the site is almost completely dynamic content |
| 00:51.30 | thomas_adam | nonforma: No -- either the giu is a crap coder, or your database schema sucks, and he *has* to do things that way -- but I still say he's a shit coder. |
| 00:51.42 | nonforma | yeah, im leaning to bad code |
| 00:51.44 | jim | apache wasn't really designed to be an app server from its inception; aolserver was |
| 00:51.45 | nonforma | hard to tell him that though heh |
| 00:51.53 | nonforma | er |
| 00:51.57 | jim | they're both free too |
| 00:52.10 | nonforma | im runnging 1.3, would going to apache 2 help at all? |
| 00:52.14 | nonforma | ive heard it handles threading much better |
| 00:52.17 | initech | nonforma: yes it all sux. hire a java/oracle team for 6 million dollars and this problem will be solved in like ten years. |
| 00:52.19 | nonforma | and i think apache is at max threads |
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| 00:52.55 | nonforma | gah, now we're at 215 queries per second |
| 00:53.11 | thomas_adam | nonforma: It turn it off... |
| 00:53.24 | nonforma | ? |
| 00:53.31 | thomas_adam | Until it's fixed. |
| 00:53.36 | nonforma | lol |
| 00:53.48 | nonforma | so many teenage kids will have nothing to do |
| 00:54.06 | jim | you don't need java :P like he said, that will put you back a few years... |
| 00:54.28 | nonforma | i just needed to confirm that that was too many queries per second |
| 00:54.44 | initech | nonforma: yeah it sounds utterly ridiculous |
| 00:54.48 | nonforma | we had 2.9 million hits yesterday |
| 00:54.59 | jim | well dunno about that part. it might be too many queries per page |
| 00:55.17 | nonforma | yeah, i think thats what it is |
| 00:55.39 | nonforma | well thanks for your help |
| 00:55.41 | jim | so what's the ratio web hits / database hits? |
| 00:55.50 | nonforma | lets see |
| 00:56.02 | jim | err invert that |
| 00:56.06 | jim | sorry |
| 00:56.21 | jim | db / web |
| 00:56.34 | jim | so bigger numbers badder |
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| 00:57.13 | nonforma | hard to say, lost a day of apahce stats |
| 00:57.16 | nonforma | but its probably about 7 |
| 00:57.35 | nonforma | but thats flat out hits, not page requests |
| 00:57.41 | nonforma | should i do page requests to database hits? |
| 00:57.48 | jim | that's pretty big, but maybe not big enough to say the coder is really -really- bad |
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| 00:58.08 | jim | yeah, or rather inverse of that |
| 00:58.17 | nonforma | hmm |
| 00:58.24 | nonforma | if its page hits |
| 00:58.28 | nonforma | then the number is going to go way up |
| 00:58.32 | jim | meaning db / page |
| 00:58.37 | nonforma | ive got 700k db hits per hour |
| 00:58.37 | jim | that;s bad |
| 00:58.48 | jim | ok |
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| 00:58.59 | nonforma | webalizer says average 10k page hits per day |
| 00:59.08 | effy | if i ifconfig my eth1 to a different address |
| 00:59.10 | effy | what happens |
| 00:59.13 | jim | wow... that's huge |
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| 00:59.27 | nonforma | well |
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| 00:59.29 | nonforma | wow |
| 00:59.29 | jim | you should -really- consider openacs |
| 00:59.29 | nonforma | yeah |
| 00:59.30 | nonforma | it is |
| 00:59.34 | nonforma | openacs? |
| 00:59.35 | jim | or somethign like it |
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| 01:00.18 | jim | openacs tries -hard- to get one db hit per page when querying |
| 01:00.22 | Supaplex | np DimmuR |
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| 01:00.52 | jim | but the technology is -totally- different from what you have |
| 01:00.55 | DimmuR | i needed to reinstall xserver and now i have 70fps in UT... on drm drivers i had about 30 on the same map |
| 01:00.55 | nonforma | wtf |
| 01:00.58 | nonforma | i just did the numbers |
| 01:01.00 | nonforma | that cant be right |
| 01:01.07 | jim | what do you got? |
| 01:01.08 | nonforma | thats 1680 dbase hits per page |
| 01:01.13 | jim | holy SHIT |
| 01:01.29 | nonforma | well mysql stats say 700k per hour |
| 01:01.32 | E-bola | When compiling a .c file it cant find the openssl libs |
| 01:01.38 | nonforma | and webalizer is 10k per day |
| 01:01.46 | jim | that's just plain stupid :) |
| 01:01.50 | nonforma | so thats 16.8 mil dbast hits a day |
| 01:01.51 | ptlis | ... |
| 01:01.52 | E-bola | what should i pass to gcc to get includes like: #include <openssl/pem.h> to work? |
| 01:01.54 | nonforma | so im not wrong? |
| 01:01.55 | nonforma | wow |
| 01:01.57 | jim | you know that right? I'm not calling you stupid :) |
| 01:01.59 | nonforma | im going to go yell at the coder |
| 01:02.16 | ptlis | What are you running that requires 17 hundred hits per page... |
| 01:02.23 | nonforma | there must be some runaway scripts somewhere |
| 01:02.27 | nonforma | somthing thats looping for no reason |
| 01:02.29 | jim | I think you should yell once, think about what Trump says a lot :P |
| 01:02.37 | nonforma | lol |
| 01:02.38 | nonforma | this is all free |
| 01:02.44 | nonforma | site has no ads, and its just him and me |
| 01:02.53 | nonforma | i offered to admin his server since he was going dedicated |
| 01:02.55 | nonforma | we're at serverbeach |
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| 01:03.50 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: wana die? |
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| 01:04.00 | talkwebhosts | non what kind of server? |
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| 01:04.12 | nonforma | their lowest debian one |
| 01:04.19 | talkwebhosts | how is it running? |
| 01:04.31 | nonforma | well right now its in pain |
| 01:04.37 | nonforma | but thats the code's problem |
| 01:04.39 | talkwebhosts | :( |
| 01:04.41 | nvz | 0.46 amps is what 4.6mA? |
| 01:04.50 | nonforma | id say serverbeach is fine though |
| 01:04.54 | talkwebhosts | friends had some problems with serverbeach |
| 01:04.55 | TwistedEmotions | milliamps? |
| 01:04.56 | Supaplex | nvz: 460ma |
| 01:04.59 | talkwebhosts | not too long ago |
| 01:04.59 | Sneg | my kernel compile segfaults in different places every time i try it. Could this be to some faulty memory, or not enough heat being dissipated by the heatsink? |
| 01:05.01 | nonforma | well, its not for novices at all |
| 01:05.07 | nvz | Supaplex: ah. |
| 01:05.08 | nonforma | they just want you to screw up so they can nail you with support |
| 01:05.22 | Zordrack | nvz: 460 |
| 01:05.22 | nonforma | theres no console access, so you blow the server up, you have to use them |
| 01:05.23 | talkwebhosts | lol |
| 01:05.36 | Supaplex | nvz: 1000 milli{second,amp} = 1.0 :) |
| 01:05.36 | talkwebhosts | what are hands on fees? |
| 01:05.45 | TwistedEmotions | RGR that ^^^ |
| 01:05.45 | nvz | I'd stick with 0.46A, because 460mA is the same ammount of chars |
| 01:05.47 | nonforma | dunno yet |
| 01:05.50 | nonforma | you get 3 tickets free |
| 01:05.54 | nonforma | but past that you have to pay |
| 01:06.00 | talkwebhosts | ouch |
| 01:06.20 | nonforma | o, theyre $15 each |
| 01:06.28 | nonforma | and if you need to reload os its $30 |
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| 01:09.50 | useruser | I have a debian client and an ubuntu machine which I want to use as an NFS server. from the client, running rpcinfo -p ubuntu gives rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused. the client IP is in /etc/hosts.allow on the server. any ideas? |
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| 01:12.41 | dondelelcaro | useruser: do you have portmap running on both machines? Have you installed nfs-common? |
| 01:13.26 | nonforma | would there be a way to have mysql log the queries its running? |
| 01:13.43 | nonforma | so i could log for like 10 mins and go see whats going on |
| 01:14.04 | dondelelcaro | nonforma: yes, it's an option in the my.conf; AFAIK you can't turn it on temporarily |
| 01:14.08 | useruser | dondelelcaro: rpcinfo -p gives output on both machines, so I'm assuming that portmap is indeed running. I haven't installed nfs-common on either - should I? |
| 01:14.10 | dondelelcaro | s/con/cn/ |
| 01:14.47 | dondelelcaro | useruser: yes; additionally, have you checked /etc/default/portmap; to make sure that portmap is bound to something besides localhost? |
| 01:15.01 | useruser | dondelelcaro: on the server or the client? |
| 01:15.09 | dondelelcaro | useruser: the server |
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| 01:15.30 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever you're trying to connect rpcinfo to) |
| 01:15.34 | paster | "[G][N][A][A]" at 128.148.34.133 pasted "GNAA Congratulates the Debian Project on the Release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 "Sarge"! http://www.gnaa.us/pr.phtml?troll=gnaa-sarge fuck you phated" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/257 |
| 01:15.36 | useruser | dondelelcaro: that looks like the culprit... |
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| 01:15.42 | nonforma | where is my.conf on debian? |
| 01:15.52 | liable | jesus |
| 01:15.56 | nonforma | o, my.cnf |
| 01:15.56 | nonforma | nm |
| 01:16.17 | useruser | dondelelcaro: thanks - all looks good |
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| 01:16.19 | dondelelcaro | useruser: because it's yet another example of where ubuntu is different from Debian |
| 01:16.45 | nonforma | dondelelcaro: do you know what i need to add to my.cnf to log just the queries sent? |
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| 01:17.41 | useruser | dondelelcaro: ah, ok. (one more difference is that no-one answers nontrivial questions in #ubuntu) |
| 01:17.53 | dondelelcaro | nonforma: iirc it's log = /var/log/mysql/mysql.log; |
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| 01:18.06 | dondelelcaro | nonforma: but check the mysql documentation |
| 01:18.14 | nonforma | yeah, it was commented out default |
| 01:18.18 | nonforma | i just enabled and restarted |
| 01:18.21 | nonforma | im tailing the log |
| 01:18.52 | nonforma | wow |
| 01:18.55 | nonforma | its flooding my console |
| 01:18.57 | nonforma | with select statements |
| 01:19.51 | nonforma | the log is growing at 100 kilobits per second;; |
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| 01:21.28 | rob^ | does anyone know how to install Debian on a pc that has no floppy or cdrom? |
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| 01:21.44 | FieldySnuts | !rube goldberg install |
| 01:21.45 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 01:21.48 | dondelelcaro | nonforma: yerp, that's about right. |
| 01:22.18 | talkwebhosts | lol |
| 01:22.28 | rob^ | almost.. |
| 01:22.37 | rob^ | dont have usb either |
| 01:22.47 | talkwebhosts | no network port |
| 01:22.48 | talkwebhosts | ? |
| 01:22.55 | dondelelcaro | rob^: rip out the harddrive, install it on a machine that does; and stick it back in. |
| 01:22.58 | rob^ | yes, a network port |
| 01:23.09 | FieldySnuts | aui. |
| 01:23.14 | tabris|away | you can still get dot matrix printers? |
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| 01:23.20 | dondelelcaro | tabris|away: yes |
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| 01:23.31 | rob^ | tabris|away, yes, we have one at work thats new |
| 01:23.33 | tabris|away | I haven't seen 'em in years. |
| 01:23.38 | thomas_adam | One of which is still attached to my BBC Micro. |
| 01:23.42 | Pryon | good for filling out carbonless forms |
| 01:23.46 | rob^ | its the size of a small fridge |
| 01:23.54 | dondelelcaro | tabris|away: there are some things (carbon copies, FE) where only an impact style printer will work |
| 01:23.55 | tabris|away | Pryon: or carboned. |
| 01:24.08 | Pryon | true |
| 01:24.11 | tabris|away | dondelelcaro: yes, I know... but even so I've been looking ofr 'em... I don't see them anywhere in the trade magazines |
| 01:24.23 | dondelelcaro | tabris|away: no one really advertises them |
| 01:24.31 | tabris|away | everybody talks about thermals, inkjet, thermal wax, and laser... |
| 01:24.34 | dondelelcaro | tabris|away: it's pretty much a niche market |
| 01:24.37 | tabris|away | (actually, i think thermal wax is gone) |
| 01:25.05 | dondelelcaro | thermal wax still has life in product printing (tshirts and the ilk) iirc. |
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| 01:26.57 | jetx | hey. if gaim is in stable, what happens to it when aol changes the format again |
| 01:27.11 | resiak | !volatile |
| 01:27.12 | dpkg | well, volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 01:27.13 | tabris|away | uhmmm. we all go Jabber? |
| 01:27.13 | dondelelcaro | jetx: then it doesn't work. |
| 01:27.36 | REds | when they upgrade the protocol jetx then gaim will upgrade its protocol to communicate on |
| 01:27.50 | jetx | yeah, in sid it will |
| 01:28.06 | nonforma | lol, since i restarted msql the stats have reset, so the average queries per second is now 405 |
| 01:28.08 | resiak | jetx: Read the volatile page. |
| 01:28.12 | tabris|away | jetx: did you note dpkg ? |
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| 01:28.28 | jetx | resiak: what's that. |
| 01:28.32 | jetx | tabris|away: huh? |
| 01:28.40 | resiak | jetx: Read what dpkg said |
| 01:28.47 | tabris|away | jetx: 21:27:11 < dpkg> well, volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 01:28.47 | jetx | ah |
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| 01:29.36 | tabris|away | jetx: uhhh. I didn't. resiak did. |
| 01:29.42 | jetx | oh |
| 01:29.43 | FieldySnuts | !date resiak |
| 01:29.47 | FieldySnuts | oh no. |
| 01:29.52 | FieldySnuts | heh. bye now. |
| 01:30.12 | jetx | i have an excuse: i'm frickin exhausted |
| 01:30.24 | resiak | Bye FieldySnuts |
| 01:30.31 | jetx | i don't use gaim though, btw |
| 01:30.42 | jetx | i have to install it sometimes though |
| 01:30.53 | resiak | And we care? :) |
| 01:30.57 | tabris|away | I use psi and jabber. |
| 01:31.02 | thomas_adam | resiak: How's lugradio live going? |
| 01:31.04 | tabris|away | and my own jabber server. |
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| 01:31.14 | thomas_adam | tabris|away: Hmm. |
| 01:31.31 | resiak | thomas_adam: I left before the curry this evening, but the day itself was fun. |
| 01:32.33 | TwistedEmotions | If nano is in the middle of reading a huge file how do I stop it? |
| 01:32.48 | thomas_adam | TwistedEmotions: Kill it. |
| 01:32.50 | TwistedEmotions | Assuming I dont have access to another terminal... |
| 01:32.55 | resiak | ^c |
| 01:32.56 | TwistedEmotions | thomas_adam: ^^^ |
| 01:33.03 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: does work |
| 01:33.12 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: ^\ |
| 01:33.13 | thomas_adam | TwistedEmotions: Hmm. ^Z, then kill %1 ? |
| 01:33.19 | TwistedEmotions | done |
| 01:33.25 | thomas_adam | ^\, even |
| 01:33.34 | TwistedEmotions | was thinking it was going to take years.. |
| 01:33.43 | resiak | thomas_adam: I have a nice new shiny Debian t-shirt! |
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| 01:33.53 | thomas_adam | Ha. |
| 01:34.23 | ColonelKernel | exit |
| 01:34.25 | TwistedEmotions | thomas_adam: was a gig+ file and it's a on VPS... |
| 01:34.26 | ColonelKernel | doh |
| 01:34.35 | TwistedEmotions | so figured would take years.. |
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| 01:35.26 | ColonelKernel | um |
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| 01:35.33 | ColonelKernel | isnt that supposed to be Thanatos? |
| 01:35.57 | TANATHOS | ColonelKernel it is |
| 01:36.09 | TANATHOS | but i don't like to be like all others |
| 01:36.12 | TANATHOS | so i am TANATHOS |
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| 01:37.06 | TANATHOS | ColonelKernel |
| 01:37.12 | TANATHOS | these are debian users? |
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| 01:37.21 | ColonelKernel | I am |
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| 01:39.22 | thomas_adam | TANATHOS: Do you have to be a retard? 1. lowercase your /nick, and 2) If you /j #debian, do you think we use Debian, or Fedora? |
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| 01:40.07 | jetx | no we don't use debian |
| 01:40.10 | TANATHOS | thomas_adam |
| 01:40.20 | TANATHOS | it was just a question i am not a retard |
| 01:40.30 | MobyTurbo | !tell TANATHOS -about enter |
| 01:40.37 | TANATHOS | hmmm |
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| 01:40.43 | TANATHOS | i was just visiting you |
| 01:41.05 | TANATHOS | if i disturb i can simply walk away just say so no need for ugly worda |
| 01:41.07 | TANATHOS | words |
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| 01:43.12 | brotroxer | Hello guys, do any of you know if it is it possible to kill a remote idle session from someone that has logged in through ssh? |
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| 01:43.28 | thomas_adam | brotroxer: Kill their login shell. |
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| 01:45.40 | hikenboot_ | hello all...I need some advice...I have a new motherboard CPU Memory and want to move my system to it. What is the best way to do this since I only have one system and wont have internet access for help resources during the process? |
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| 01:45.57 | jetx | just move the hd |
| 01:45.59 | brotroxer | thanks thomas_adam, that was exactly what i was looking for |
| 01:46.06 | jetx | change the kernel if you need to |
| 01:46.11 | jetx | know what modules you need |
| 01:46.14 | cmatheson | hikenboot_: if you're just replacing motherboard and cpu everything should still work on a stock kernel |
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| 01:46.29 | jetx | what he said |
| 01:46.39 | jetx | unless it's amd vs intel |
| 01:47.06 | hikenboot_ | including the internet..IE the nic? |
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| 01:47.25 | hikenboot_ | yes it is amd vs intel |
| 01:47.32 | hikenboot_ | old is intel new is amd |
| 01:48.03 | jetx | what i did was install a -386 kernel during the transition |
| 01:48.27 | jetx | install, move hd, reboot, install new kernel |
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| 01:48.44 | jetx | err s/reboot/boot/ |
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| 01:50.55 | hikenboot_ | what about if i install onto a new hard drive on the new system....from scratch using debian installer with 2.6 kernel and then copy the kernel onto the old hard drive and boot it? |
| 01:51.29 | cmatheson | hikenboot_: just copy your current crap to the new hard-drive |
| 01:51.37 | cmatheson | if you want an exact image you can use dump |
| 01:51.54 | hikenboot_ | nah the other hard drive is only 6 gig |
| 01:52.05 | cmatheson | hikenboot_: or dd (dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/<new_drive> |
| 01:52.27 | hikenboot_ | the one on the current system is 160gig |
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| 01:53.16 | cmatheson | hikenboot_: new one is smaller? |
| 01:53.34 | hikenboot_ | well its not newer.....its just the only spair i have |
| 01:53.39 | cmatheson | oh ok |
| 01:53.51 | hikenboot_ | so would my idea be a more fail safe method? |
| 01:53.56 | cmatheson | well if it fits you could just make a tar file of the file-system |
| 01:54.04 | cmatheson | and then run grub-install on the new drive |
| 01:54.07 | thomas_adam | cmatheson: dd assumes both partitions are the same size. |
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| 01:54.24 | thomas_adam | hikenboot_: http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/OneDiskToAnother |
| 01:54.25 | cmatheson | thomas_adam: good call |
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| 01:55.41 | cmatheson | hikenboot_: if you really do want to do a fresh install and just copy the kernel over though... you'll need the vmlinuz, system.map, etc.(really you should have a deb of the kernel since you should have used make-kpkg to build your kernel) |
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| 01:56.58 | hikenboot_ | that seems tricky for a beginner |
| 01:57.31 | cmatheson | hikenboot_: is there any reason to keep the kernel you're using right now then? |
| 01:57.53 | jim | hikenboot_: if the destination machine's HD is blank, you get multiple tries without worrying about killing off anything you (don't) have stored there |
| 01:58.13 | kadigibox | Does anyone know if there is a way to run DMZ files? |
| 01:58.25 | jim | what's a dmz file |
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| 01:58.56 | kadigibox | dunno but thats what secondlife.com sent me when I clicked on the download button |
| 01:59.44 | Wyzard | kadigibox: DMG, not DMZ... that's a Mac OSX disk image |
| 01:59.50 | hikenboot_ | well the fact is the current kernel took me my first month to get right.....I can start all over but I just hate to loose my configuration...and I am afraid in the process that I wont be able to get internet access working so i guess the best thing to do is rebuild on the small hard drive determine what modules have to be loaded....and then just add those modules to my existing one |
| 01:59.55 | jim | not gonna look... and I'm going to suggest that if you don't know what you're downloading, consider -carefully- before you run it |
| 02:00.02 | Wyzard | kadigibox: Second Life is a Mac app |
| 02:00.03 | capu | guys - do i need to install drivers for my CDROms? |
| 02:00.12 | capu | disk drives.. y'know |
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| 02:00.23 | jim | hikenboot_: back up your config file |
| 02:00.26 | cmatheson | hikenboot_: what is the stock kernel not doing for you that justifies spending a month to make a custom kernel? |
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| 02:00.40 | cmatheson | capu: no, not if it's a normal ide or scsi drive |
| 02:00.48 | hikenboot_ | well i installed the inotify patch to run beagle |
| 02:00.50 | kadigibox | someone told me it could be ran on linux though |
| 02:00.55 | capu | i think it is.. how do i check it's working? i need to make a symbolic link to it |
| 02:01.00 | Wyzard | hmm... the System Requirements page says it runs on either Windows or OSX |
| 02:01.16 | jim | kadigibox: why are you interested in it if you don't know what it is |
| 02:01.19 | Wyzard | Maybe that download link gives you the Windows install if you're using Windows, and the DMG if you're not using Windows |
| 02:01.23 | hikenboot_ | it took me a month cause I dont know what i am doing yet! |
| 02:01.30 | _eXoDuS_ | capu: check the boot messages, it should tell if it detected it |
| 02:01.36 | cmatheson | kadigibox: it's not going to work if it's a mac os x binary... maybe if you compiled it from source |
| 02:01.40 | Wyzard | kadigibox: If there's a way to run it in Linux, it'd be by running the Windows version under Wine |
| 02:01.43 | capu | how do i do that? |
| 02:01.51 | _eXoDuS_ | capu: dmesg |
| 02:02.01 | capu | thans _eXoDuS_ |
| 02:02.04 | capu | thanks* |
| 02:02.04 | _eXoDuS_ | np |
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| 02:02.34 | _eXoDuS_ | capu: you should see something like: hdc: Pioneer DVD-ROM ATAPIModel DVD-119 0105, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 02:02.34 | _eXoDuS_ | hdd: PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 02:02.34 | kadigibox | oh |
| 02:02.44 | kadigibox | I never been able to set up wine properly |
| 02:02.49 | jim | hikenboot_, what if you borrow or rent a machine for a day so you can do this, be on your net with the rental machine and return it when your machine is on the net |
| 02:03.09 | hikenboot_ | or buy one and return it...lol |
| 02:03.19 | jim | well, sure, whatever |
| 02:03.23 | hikenboot_ | that would be kind of crooked ...but would work! |
| 02:03.35 | jim | but you might suffer a 20% restock fee |
| 02:03.37 | capu | _eXoDuS_, what part am i looking for? |
| 02:03.45 | jim | that might be an expensive rental |
| 02:03.50 | hikenboot_ | hmmm compusa doesnt have them any more |
| 02:04.02 | _eXoDuS_ | capu: read what i posted above |
| 02:04.07 | jetx | crooked? more like an accepted practice in america nowadays (boo) |
| 02:04.09 | jim | what does it take to be on your network? |
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| 02:04.20 | capu | ahhh |
| 02:04.29 | jim | jetx: don't troll :P |
| 02:04.41 | capu | hdc: tray open <<< only bit about hdc - it wasn't open though, im 110% positive of that |
| 02:04.41 | jetx | rent one from the local rent-to-own for a week, maybe 30 bucks |
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| 02:05.03 | jetx | jim: i was serious, but didn't know how to expound on it well |
| 02:05.10 | jim | it's off-topic, it's meant to get a rise which makes it trolling by definition |
| 02:05.11 | hikenboot_ | maybe all i have to do is make sure the nic card works.....i can look up what driver is the right one and then ...no that wouldnt work cause its an amd...should have stuck with intel... |
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| 02:05.42 | Wyzard | hikenboot_: What does having an AMD processor have to do with finding out what type of network card you have |
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| 02:06.04 | jetx | off-topic, not wanted, ok. meant to get a rise, no.. (not this particular time, yes i do do that but not now :) ) |
| 02:06.04 | hikenboot_ | no what i am saying is the kernel isnt the same because its an amd |
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| 02:06.21 | Wyzard | hikenboot_: Are you using a custom-compiled kernel? |
| 02:06.28 | hikenboot_ | right now yes |
| 02:06.33 | jim | jetx: yes it was :P because you knew it could |
| 02:06.35 | hikenboot_ | why ? |
| 02:06.46 | capu | _eXoDuS_, what should i do then? |
| 02:06.49 | Wyzard | hikenboot_: You could switch to a precompiled 686 kernel... that'll work on an Athlon |
| 02:06.55 | capu | im totally lost :( |
| 02:07.04 | bucky | kadigibox, did you run winesetup as user? |
| 02:07.20 | _eXoDuS_ | capu: look for a line like the ones i posted |
| 02:07.21 | hikenboot_ | hmm the 2.4 thats on this machine is a generic kernel |
| 02:07.35 | hikenboot_ | the old one before i upgraded to 2.6 |
| 02:07.55 | jim | hikenboot_: do you have a new drive or something? |
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| 02:08.08 | hikenboot_ | no just an old used 6 gig laying around |
| 02:08.09 | kadigibox | well I dont remember bucky. its been a long time. its been when I had woody disk that had a counterstrike binary |
| 02:08.11 | capu | _eXoDuS_, the only one had ----> hdc: tray open |
| 02:08.14 | jetx | is he the new mb/cpu guy? |
| 02:08.18 | hikenboot_ | i couldnt aford a whole new system |
| 02:08.25 | jetx | ah |
| 02:08.40 | jim | hikenboot_: wait, so what are you trying to do? replace your mobo and cpu, that's it right? |
| 02:08.40 | jetx | hikenboot_: i know the feeling |
| 02:08.49 | hikenboot_ | but i need more processor and ram to run vmware with |
| 02:09.18 | hikenboot_ | yes just the main memory cpu and motherboard.. |
| 02:09.34 | hikenboot_ | my day job is computer networks with shitty windows |
| 02:09.43 | hikenboot_ | so i have to practice MCSE stuff |
| 02:09.46 | jim | hikenboot_: what kernel do you have now? uname -r |
| 02:09.48 | liable | hikenboot_: just swap it, and boot a generic kernel. |
| 02:09.50 | hikenboot_ | so i use vmware to network them |
| 02:10.14 | jetx | install a kernel-image-blah-386, take the hd out, install it in new mb, boot, install kernel-image-blah-k7 |
| 02:10.15 | hikenboot_ | how do i make a generic kernel? |
| 02:10.22 | jetx | he's going from intel to amd |
| 02:10.28 | jetx | just install a -386 |
| 02:10.34 | jim | amdwhat? |
| 02:10.42 | jim | jetx: exactly |
| 02:10.42 | jetx | apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:11.04 | jim | hikenboot_: you boot with lilo or grub? |
| 02:11.04 | Wyzard | hikenboot_: Here's where a Gentoo user would be in a lot of pain... they'd have to recompile *everything* on the system in this situation :-) |
| 02:11.06 | hikenboot_ | oh a precompiled kernel ...i see |
| 02:11.12 | hikenboot_ | grub |
| 02:11.19 | jim | ok, so just do this: |
| 02:11.20 | jetx | hikenboot_: what is your new processor |
| 02:11.32 | hikenboot_ | amd athalon 2200 |
| 02:11.51 | Wyzard | s/athalon/athlon/ |
| 02:11.55 | jim | install an i386 kernel image, and try booting into it -now- (no mobo swap yet) |
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| 02:12.15 | hikenboot_ | ok will do |
| 02:12.20 | jetx | yeah make sure it works before you take the hd out |
| 02:12.35 | jim | once you can boot into it, you'll at least know it's possible under your current situation |
| 02:12.44 | hikenboot_ | I see so the generic 386 works with both |
| 02:12.48 | jetx | right |
| 02:12.55 | jetx | and lower end ones too |
| 02:12.58 | jim | but wait, will athlon work with an i386? |
| 02:13.01 | jetx | yes |
| 02:13.04 | jetx | been there |
| 02:13.08 | jim | ok, so you're all set |
| 02:13.15 | hikenboot_ | ok thanks will do |
| 02:13.19 | jim | do that, make sure it brings your network up |
| 02:13.28 | jim | don't change hardware yet |
| 02:13.37 | hikenboot_ | but its a different nic |
| 02:13.40 | jim | if that works, then try swapping mobos |
| 02:13.47 | jim | why is it a different nic? |
| 02:13.52 | jetx | what motherboard |
| 02:13.54 | jetx | onboard |
| 02:14.02 | jim | they're -both- onboard? |
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| 02:14.20 | hikenboot_ | yes |
| 02:14.31 | jim | so the nic you're using right now is onboard? |
| 02:14.40 | hikenboot_ | yes |
| 02:14.45 | jim | and you don't have a nic lying around? |
| 02:14.55 | liable | hikenboot_: just google the motherboard, see if its supported. |
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| 02:15.04 | jetx | if this is an sis based mb it will work just fine |
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| 02:15.16 | jetx | s/will/should/ |
| 02:15.20 | jim | I have sis based |
| 02:15.25 | jetx | me too |
| 02:15.55 | hikenboot_ | ok let me look it up before i do anything |
| 02:15.56 | hikenboot_ | bbs |
| 02:16.38 | jetx | the 333@500celly is on a bx440 though |
| 02:17.08 | jetx | ran o/c'd for years, verra stable |
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| 02:17.28 | jetx | hey root long time no see |
| 02:17.29 | jim | he's root... but it's moot... |
| 02:17.53 | jetx | oh god i like the word moot too :/ |
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| 02:19.10 | jetx | think i'll go kill ppl |
| 02:19.35 | jim | I got a sis900 |
| 02:19.41 | kadigibox | whats the plugin for ogg on xmms? |
| 02:20.37 | jetx | kadigibox: dont do this : apt-cache search ogg xmms |
| 02:20.54 | kadigibox | I did and I got an error |
| 02:20.56 | jetx | most sis onboards are afaik |
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| 02:24.25 | jim | does he have a sis? |
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| 02:29.27 | XI-Phazor | so whats best these days for playing counterstrike source, cedega or wine? |
| 02:29.41 | XI-Phazor | i heard wine made a lot of speed and compatability changes |
| 02:30.53 | nonforma | what would you guys recommend for a debian workstation, testing or unstable? |
| 02:31.04 | jim | stable |
| 02:31.09 | nonforma | lol |
| 02:31.43 | jim | if you want extra problems to learn about and take care of... then go for the other ones :) |
| 02:32.07 | nonforma | i have unstable on a laptop of mine, only annoyance is the constant apt upgrades |
| 02:32.22 | shingouz | until it borks that is |
| 02:32.26 | nonforma | i havent installed any systems since sarge moved to stable |
| 02:33.13 | kadigibox | I still cannot seem to get an ogg plugin for xmms |
| 02:33.26 | shingouz | z-mode |
| 02:33.27 | nonforma | hows stable with 64 bit systems? |
| 02:33.50 | nonforma | its just that its about time i use debian for my desktop as well as all my servers^^ |
| 02:34.06 | mwilson | nonforma: "annoyance". Easily solved. Don't "upgrade" the bloody thing every time you take a breath. |
| 02:34.46 | nonforma | so you would say run unstable? |
| 02:35.12 | jim | are you willing to take care of all problems yourself? |
| 02:35.21 | nonforma | well how bad are the problems |
| 02:35.34 | nonforma | im fine with googling issues, going to mailing lists and irc rooms |
| 02:35.37 | mwilson | nonforma: If you have to ask, you have no business running unstable. |
| 02:35.57 | jim | it's unstable... anything from works fine today, to segfault causes HD reformat |
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| 02:36.25 | nonforma | what do you run jim? |
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| 02:37.13 | ^_child_msn_^ | poxa |
| 02:37.30 | ^_child_msn_^ | eu no t entendendo nada desse mirc |
| 02:37.30 | jim | the most often problems involve version conflicts and missing packages (due to one maint uploading a package that depends on a package another maint didn't upload yet, stuff like that) |
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| 02:37.56 | nonforma | o thats not bad |
| 02:38.02 | asrail | ^_child_msn_^: I think you're in the wrong channel |
| 02:38.09 | nonforma | i made my own repository because the courier imap packages dont compile the way i need them |
| 02:38.10 | asrail | ops |
| 02:38.59 | jim | well obviously run what you want... but know that you might get razzed for asking about certain combinations |
| 02:39.47 | nvz | I cannot for the life of me figure out how to make things like the font color box and cell outline box..etc to go away after I click on something in the panel on OO.o for sarge.. if someone could help me so I dont have to keep restarting OO.o when I cant see my spreadsheet anymore |
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| 02:40.06 | nonforma | so i wont get much help with unstable here? |
| 02:40.13 | jim | no |
| 02:40.18 | nonforma | unless i run sarge |
| 02:40.31 | mwilson | nvz: Huh? |
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| 02:41.00 | jim | see, the reason is that both etch and unstable are moving targets... etch less so (and more narrowly so) than unstable, but still moving |
| 02:41.35 | softrat | <ANYONE>Who wants to talk about the inaccuracies in www.debian.org for 'testing'? |
| 02:41.56 | mwilson | softrat: "inaccuracies"? |
| 02:41.59 | nonforma | do you know what version of gnome is in stable? |
| 02:42.14 | softrat | Gnome? Nope. |
| 02:42.14 | nvz | mwilson: if I click on something in the object bar of OO.o Calc for sarge, it opens a small window, and it will not ever go away, soon I have some 50 little windows that are always on top of my Calc sheet |
| 02:42.23 | jim | if you ask questions that have obviously enough info for just about anyone to help you (/msg dpkg sicco, /msg dpkg smart questions), you'll get a LOT more slack no matter what you run |
| 02:42.24 | mwilson | nonforma: I don't know why you can't check for yourself. |
| 02:42.25 | jim | because: |
| 02:42.37 | softrat | mwilson: OK -- ERRORS! |
| 02:42.43 | mwilson | nvz: "object bar"? |
| 02:42.48 | jim | people will want to help you becasue they're here because they want to help |
| 02:43.07 | mwilson | softrat: Are you planning on getting specific at some point, or will you continue to be merely stupid? |
| 02:43.38 | nvz | mwilson: yes, the "object bar" is what its called below the Menu Bar is the Main Toolbar, Object bar and the Function bar |
| 02:43.40 | softrat | I am *ALWAYS* stupid! mI matches the people I am talking to! |
| 02:44.18 | nvz | mwilson: object bar contains Font and cell object settings, like font color. cell boarder, cell background color..etc |
| 02:44.18 | softrat | Anyway, www.debian.org 'testing' does not correctly tell people how to upgrade to 'etch'. |
| 02:44.36 | mwilson | softrat: Then file a bug. By the way, testing is not an upgrade. |
| 02:44.49 | softrat | It goes and babbles about the Debian Downloader. |
| 02:44.58 | mwilson | nvz: Hm, I click them, they do what they should, they don't open windows. |
| 02:45.07 | nvz | mwilson: windows like the cell boarders window, font color selector.. etc are comming up always on top in the middle of my screen and I cannot get rid of them, short of configuring a binding in my wm or killing OO.o calc |
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| 02:45.20 | mwilson | softrat: Do you have a URL in mind, or is this general whining? |
| 02:45.20 | liable | softrat: well, click on the link about helping with the documentation. |
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| 02:45.34 | nvz | mwilson: I dont know why its spawning windows instead of pulling out menus either |
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| 02:45.39 | softrat | mwilson: 'file a bug' Where, Genius? (Obviously no with you!) |
| 02:46.01 | sigh | ? |
| 02:46.17 | mwilson | softrat: Gee, probably in the BTS... that's kind of why it exists. Of course, you're the average testing/unstable user, so no reason to assume you know the BTS even exists. |
| 02:46.21 | Entranced | hey |
| 02:46.27 | jim | so you start out with a lot of people wanting to help woth stuff... the less you provide as far as info you know that might be relevent, the less you seem willing to check out materials cited in urls, the more w3lrD or duM8 or l33t or abbreviating (u for you among others), that will make people think it will be difficult or impossible to help |
| 02:46.39 | softrat | NOTICE: 'mwilson' is user-hostile! |
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| 02:46.43 | mwilson | softrat: So, again, do you have a specific URL you have a problem with? |
| 02:46.44 | Lur | hi |
| 02:46.49 | sigh | hi |
| 02:46.53 | Lur | I got an issue |
| 02:46.57 | Lur | I don't have iwconfig |
| 02:47.02 | jim | if I had an issue... |
| 02:47.03 | softrat | ??? BTS ??? |
| 02:47.09 | jim | I'd issue in the moooornign... |
| 02:47.11 | softrat | You assume too much! |
| 02:47.14 | mwilson | Lur: And so you don't install it because...? |
| 02:47.18 | liable | softrat: if you dont like mwilson's advice, use /ignore, dont start trolling. |
| 02:47.23 | Entranced | any ideas what is up with marillat's ftp ? (nerim.net) |
| 02:47.24 | Lur | I need to install it? |
| 02:47.24 | mwilson | !everything |
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| 02:47.30 | Lur | I did an apt-cache |
| 02:47.34 | Lur | it doesn't have it |
| 02:47.39 | softrat | I'm not trolling. I'm reacting. |
| 02:47.39 | sigh | /ignore all of you |
| 02:47.48 | mwilson | Lur: Of course. How else do you think software gets on your machine... magic? |
| 02:47.56 | softrat | NOTICE: 'mwilson' is user-hostile! |
| 02:47.59 | Lur | my other distros had it |
| 02:48.03 | jim | softrat: did you know reactions can cause reactions? |
| 02:48.10 | softrat | Yup! |
| 02:48.12 | sigh | softrat, ? |
| 02:48.18 | mwilson | Lur: Did someone tell you that Debian did not? |
| 02:48.22 | kjparker | usualy equal and opposite! :) |
| 02:48.23 | Lur | no |
| 02:48.26 | jim | did you know that's the -definition- of trolling? :) |
| 02:48.27 | Lur | I issued the iwconfig |
| 02:48.29 | Lur | command |
| 02:48.38 | Lur | and it is not there |
| 02:48.39 | twb | Is there a way to find out the list of packages initially installed by Debian? |
| 02:48.42 | Lur | bash whined |
| 02:48.45 | softrat | Trolling is dragging a lure throught the water..... |
| 02:48.48 | Entranced | Lur: use apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 02:48.50 | Lur | "ehhh, iwconfig no good" |
| 02:48.52 | nonforma | install the wireless-tools package |
| 02:48.53 | Lur | ok |
| 02:48.56 | nvz | not only is it poping up windows but the little buggers are always on top, and will not even respond to the "Delete Window" commands I send them. they dont even have close buttons, I had to setup a delete window command for window boarders and it still doesnt work |
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| 02:49.00 | sigh | mwilson, cook did, debian did too. |
| 02:49.00 | mwilson | softrat: And for the third time, is there a particular URL you have a problem with? |
| 02:49.01 | liable | Lur: install wireless-tools |
| 02:49.07 | kjparker | lur, i also think you need to be root to dothat as well |
| 02:49.13 | liable | oh, bit slow |
| 02:49.15 | kjparker | run iwconfig that is |
| 02:49.15 | Lur | yeah |
| 02:49.16 | softrat | Being noisy when shat upon is not trolling! |
| 02:49.27 | Lur | is being at-get happy risky? |
| 02:49.31 | Lur | apt-get* |
| 02:49.32 | jim | softrat: you just said you know reactions can cause reactions... look, never mind, just use /ignore... |
| 02:49.40 | nonforma | only one way to learn |
| 02:49.56 | Entranced | use aptitude |
| 02:50.02 | kjparker | fark i hate this cold. i can't taste my cofee |
| 02:50.03 | Entranced | instead of apt-get |
| 02:50.05 | kjparker | :( |
| 02:50.05 | sigh | ^_^ |
| 02:50.20 | liable | Lur: what do you mean by that. You want to install everything in the repo? |
| 02:50.29 | Lur | I do install lots of stuff:P |
| 02:50.34 | Lur | it's just so easy... |
| 02:50.42 | Entranced | kjparker: drinking coffee won't help the cold :) |
| 02:50.53 | sigh | ... |
| 02:51.00 | liable | Lur: if you want it, install it. simple |
| 02:51.02 | jim | Lur: depends on the sources apt-get (and aptitude and others, btw) have available to them |
| 02:51.02 | chealer | Entranced: why using aptitude? |
| 02:51.07 | kjparker | no, but i enjoy my coffee. |
| 02:51.10 | nonforma | i install packages trial and error style sometimes, i just make sure to --purge the packages that it turned out i didnt need |
| 02:51.11 | kjparker | well i used to :( |
| 02:51.14 | nvz | I just downloade the OO.o 1.1.3 from sarge this evening, this is the first time I've used it |
| 02:51.18 | Lur | yeah, but is it risky, or dangerous |
| 02:51.18 | jim | chealer: as compared to? |
| 02:51.19 | nvz | this shit is wack :P |
| 02:51.26 | Entranced | chealer: supposedly better with dependencies |
| 02:51.31 | nvz | I need to install another wm and try that I guess |
| 02:51.32 | jim | Lur: what are you running? |
| 02:51.33 | nonforma | ive never broken a system by installing too much |
| 02:51.34 | vorlon | softrat: offering public "notices" is trolling. If you think there is a bug in the website, use the reportbug package to file a bug report against the www.debian.org pseudopackage. |
| 02:51.34 | Lur | any risk of some abnormal linux spyware/virus? |
| 02:51.34 | chealer | jim: other apt frontends? |
| 02:51.37 | Lur | debian sarge |
| 02:51.38 | mwilson | nvz: I don't know what to tell you... I've never seen that. |
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| 02:51.55 | jim | Lur: what sources are available to your apt-get? |
| 02:52.00 | Lur | uhm |
| 02:52.02 | sarmiento | hi |
| 02:52.04 | mwilson | vorlon: He's too busy NOT telling anyone what URL he thinks is a problem. |
| 02:52.05 | sigh | (gastralgia...) |
| 02:52.06 | Lur | I think one of the debian servers |
| 02:52.10 | liable | sigh: are you just going to fill the channel with shit, or actually contribute? |
| 02:52.11 | jim | Lur: sarge only? |
| 02:52.11 | sarmiento | how can i change the dma? |
| 02:52.11 | Lur | I forgot:P |
| 02:52.11 | softrat | vorlon, whaere do I file this bug report? |
| 02:52.13 | chealer | Entranced: yeah, but you can't use other apt frontends if you use aptitude |
| 02:52.20 | sigh | ... |
| 02:52.23 | chealer | Entranced: or, not decently |
| 02:52.29 | Entranced | chealer: aptitude has ncurses frontend |
| 02:52.35 | softrat | I don't know which URL, you asshole! |
| 02:52.40 | mwilson | softrat: With the reportbug package, oh clueless one. |
| 02:52.41 | Lur | one of the .com ones |
| 02:52.43 | sarmiento | i have this problem:HDIO_SET_DMA failed: |
| 02:52.43 | vorlon | softrat: *use the reportbug package* to file a bug report against the www.debian.org pseudopackage. |
| 02:52.44 | jim | chealer: why not? |
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| 02:52.47 | Entranced | what do you need frontends for ? |
| 02:52.49 | jim | jsut curious |
| 02:52.59 | softrat | Tahk you, vorlon. |
| 02:53.04 | Lur | think I'm at any risk Jim? |
| 02:53.11 | chealer | jim: check the bug mentioned in aptitude's factoid |
| 02:53.15 | mwilson | softrat: You don't know what URL has this text to which you object? Odd... how do you expect anyone to change it, then? |
| 02:53.18 | nvz | mwilson: I was thinking of installing a differnt wm, sawfish is all I have, and even with the M-Button1-C-Click "Delete Window" on Boarder command I made, it will not close, so even if it had a close button it would not respod to the wm's delete window command |
| 02:53.24 | Lur | I like linux because I don't have to worry about malicious stuff |
| 02:53.24 | jim | chealer: ok |
| 02:53.37 | Lur | now I'm a bit worried |
| 02:53.42 | nvz | mwilson: though it should not be making windows at all, for it even to be a problem with my wm |
| 02:53.49 | softrat | How come /ignore mwilson soesn't work? |
| 02:53.52 | chealer | Entranced: yeah, I know, I'm just saying it's really bad that you can't use it decently with other apt frontends |
| 02:53.58 | mwilson | nvz: Sawfish is rather dated... I might suggest trying something with a little better EWMH compatability. |
| 02:54.07 | jim | Lur: it looks like you're not at risk |
| 02:54.14 | Lur | how could I be though |
| 02:54.17 | Lur | so I can avoid it |
| 02:54.31 | jim | how many lifetimes do you have to discuss it? :) |
| 02:54.41 | nonforma | lol |
| 02:54.45 | Lur | huh? |
| 02:54.57 | nonforma | your asking about all of linux security in one question |
| 02:55.04 | Lur | heh |
| 02:55.12 | Entranced | I don't use front ends..so that doesn't bother me a bit...people were saying that apt-get doesn't get as much dev time as aptitude... |
| 02:55.14 | Lur | I got all night:P |
| 02:55.18 | nonforma | lol |
| 02:55.23 | nonforma | you're just running personal desktop? |
| 02:55.26 | Lur | yup |
| 02:55.36 | Entranced | any ideas what is up with marillat's ftp ? (nerim.net) |
| 02:55.39 | Lur | the tower is held together with duct tape. |
| 02:55.39 | nonforma | then just have a good firewall |
| 02:55.44 | Lur | I do |
| 02:55.47 | Lur | router |
| 02:55.51 | jim | if you get up to go to the bathroom, your foot could be caught in the keyboard cable, causing your cpu to fall on your dog who chases the cat to the garbage can, gets him pregnant and then jumps into the garbage truck never to be seen again... |
| 02:55.52 | Lur | and firewall installed |
| 02:55.59 | jim | now THAT is a risk! |
| 02:56.04 | nonforma | biggest security concerns with linux is exploits, and if you arent running any services, you're pretty safe |
| 02:56.13 | Lur | ok |
| 02:56.18 | Lur | thanks |
| 02:56.23 | Entranced | nonforma: what exploits ? |
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| 02:56.30 | Lur | just tryin to get wireless workin |
| 02:56.32 | jim | another big question |
| 02:56.34 | nonforma | lol, any of the many that are out there |
| 02:56.44 | Lur | so i can take the wired nic and put it in a different box |
| 02:57.08 | nonforma | Lur: yeah |
| 02:57.14 | Lur | it's pretty obvious when you're exploited right? |
| 02:57.22 | nonforma | depends |
| 02:57.24 | Entranced | nonforma: I think you're talking about XP |
| 02:57.24 | nonforma | generally no |
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| 02:57.42 | jim | you're ok running stable at least for now... but know: versions of everything in stable will NEVER change. THAT is how stable is achieved. |
| 02:57.54 | nonforma | Entranced: lol, no |
| 02:58.02 | Lur | well |
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| 02:58.13 | Lur | couple times my passwords changed or somethin |
| 02:58.14 | jim | no new versions ever. no new features ever. |
| 02:58.20 | Lur | I had to go into a live cd |
| 02:58.22 | Lur | to change em |
| 02:58.25 | nonforma | ... |
| 02:58.31 | Entranced | I don't have a webserver personally, but my friend is has been running woody for years and had no single breakin |
| 02:58.49 | Lur | I did an apt-get upgrade since then |
| 02:58.56 | nonforma | lol, or maybe he just never noticed |
| 02:58.59 | Entranced | now running sarge |
| 02:59.02 | pureone | chkrootkit is a good thing to have as well as some anti viruses |
| 02:59.02 | jim | some goon was trying to break into mine... |
| 02:59.02 | nonforma | the point of most breakins is not to be caught |
| 02:59.19 | nonforma | heh |
| 02:59.21 | jim | I think he might be in jail now :) |
| 02:59.23 | Entranced | sure |
| 02:59.23 | nonforma | my server on serverbeach |
| 02:59.26 | nonforma | so many attempts |
| 02:59.35 | nonforma | auth.log is fulled with bruteforce attempts |
| 02:59.36 | Lur | chkrootkit? |
| 02:59.39 | Entranced | how many successful ? |
| 02:59.42 | chealer | Entranced: that may be true, but apt-get and aptitude aren't the only apt frontends |
| 02:59.44 | nonforma | none |
| 02:59.56 | _daniel_ | Lur, a rootkit detection system |
| 02:59.56 | Entranced | apt-get is not a frontend |
| 03:00.00 | nonforma | chkrootkit checks for rootkits |
| 03:00.02 | Lur | cool |
| 03:00.04 | Entranced | synaptic is |
| 03:00.08 | nonforma | rootkits are so people can get into your server without you knowing |
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| 03:00.13 | Lur | and an antivirus scanner for linux? |
| 03:00.15 | Entranced | tripwire |
| 03:00.16 | nonforma | once they've gained access through an esxploit |
| 03:00.23 | nonforma | there really arent any viruses for linux |
| 03:00.33 | Lur | oh |
| 03:00.34 | jim | Entranced: well if you zoom in one level, you find that in fact it is a front end... to the apt library |
| 03:00.36 | pureone | there are some backdoors that are detected though |
| 03:00.43 | nonforma | yeah, those are rootkits |
| 03:00.50 | _daniel_ | nonforma, no chrootkits are programs to hide the presence of someone after he has rooted the machine, not before |
| 03:00.52 | nonforma | chkrootkit can find most of them |
| 03:00.53 | Entranced | ok jim |
| 03:01.03 | nonforma | _daniel_: i said that |
| 03:01.04 | Entranced | didn't think about it that way :) |
| 03:01.14 | pureone | chkrootkit can detect packet sniffers as well |
| 03:01.21 | jim | and not a great one, because it was only originally designed to test the library... |
| 03:01.23 | pureone | which is the one feature i like the most |
| 03:01.27 | _daniel_ | chrootkit only finds LKM |
| 03:01.37 | nonforma | only? |
| 03:01.43 | nonforma | it searches for a lot |
| 03:01.47 | jim | LKM? |
| 03:01.50 | nonforma | plus hidden lkm processes |
| 03:01.55 | nonforma | loadable kernel modules |
| 03:02.01 | _daniel_ | nonforma, only, if rootkits is compiled into kernel, you are dead |
| 03:02.13 | nonforma | yeah, pretty much |
| 03:02.22 | nonforma | but they can still be detected |
| 03:02.38 | Lur | cool |
| 03:02.47 | nonforma | hence why you do kernel hardning on servers |
| 03:02.49 | _daniel_ | nonforma, yeah but not from the machine itself |
| 03:02.52 | mwilson | Hm, no dinstall run today? |
| 03:02.53 | nonforma | so lkm patches arent possible |
| 03:02.55 | pureone | some trojans that bind shells get detected as well |
| 03:02.56 | Entranced | are you running webserver Lur ? |
| 03:03.02 | Lur | not that I know of |
| 03:03.14 | _daniel_ | http://plug.student-orgs.purdue.edu this is the lug webserver, I am in charge of security :) |
| 03:03.19 | Entranced | Lur: you're behind the router correct ? |
| 03:03.23 | Lur | yup |
| 03:03.29 | nonforma | _daniel_: are you saying that lkm can't be detected? |
| 03:03.32 | Entranced | any open ports ? |
| 03:03.37 | Lur | uhm |
| 03:03.49 | jim | so then, the router is part of your security setup |
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| 03:03.51 | sheep | uhm |
| 03:03.51 | pureone | check with netstat -tupln as root |
| 03:03.53 | _daniel_ | nonforma, No i am saying compiled into kernel rootkits cant be detected |
| 03:04.05 | Lur | what's that port scan site? |
| 03:04.22 | sheep | Lur, for what? |
| 03:04.23 | nonforma | well not directly |
| 03:04.25 | _daniel_ | I use mod_security on our server :) |
| 03:04.32 | Entranced | shieldsup |
| 03:04.35 | nonforma | you could detect their operation |
| 03:04.37 | Lur | to check if I have any opened ports |
| 03:04.45 | sheep | shielddown |
| 03:04.48 | _daniel_ | Its a debian sarge :) |
| 03:04.49 | liable | sheep: what are you? |
| 03:04.51 | nonforma | and just to be sure you arent considering lkm as comiled into kernel? |
| 03:04.53 | Entranced | Lur: google shieldsup |
| 03:04.56 | pureone | lur check with netstat -tupln |
| 03:04.57 | sheep | no idea |
| 03:04.59 | Lur | ok |
| 03:05.05 | Lur | which one? |
| 03:05.07 | pureone | as root |
| 03:05.16 | Lur | ok |
| 03:05.33 | _daniel_ | nonforma, no |
| 03:05.36 | Lur | eh |
| 03:05.37 | nonforma | rootkithunter is another very good scanner, i like it better then chkrookit, but i use both |
| 03:05.42 | Lur | I don't understand that |
| 03:05.57 | nonforma | http://www.rootkit.nl/ |
| 03:06.01 | sheep | ? |
| 03:06.07 | pureone | it lists listening ports and there processes |
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| 03:06.38 | jim | Lur: ok, let's back up here one sec... how long have you been running any unix-alike (incl. linux, macosx) |
| 03:06.39 | sheep | how to work? |
| 03:06.53 | Lur | Jim, an and off for about two years |
| 03:07.18 | sheep | 1 day |
| 03:07.27 | jim | ok,,, why are you concerned about security? |
| 03:07.35 | capu | Guys - im trying to create symbolic links from the moundpoint of my cdrom, and the phisical adress of the cdrom, so a program running through wine can use them.... I've tried ln -s <dir> <dir> but im getting "no such file or directory" despite being positive they both exist... what should i try? |
| 03:07.38 | nonforma | lur: you can also nmap yourself |
| 03:07.40 | jim | that is, why now, specifically? |
| 03:07.41 | capu | mountpoint** lol |
| 03:07.42 | sheep | no 100% security |
| 03:07.47 | Lur | because I never ran it full time |
| 03:07.52 | Lur | and am trying to |
| 03:07.53 | sheep | (human) |
| 03:07.55 | nonforma | lur: a full nmap of all ports |
| 03:07.56 | liable | !ops sheep annoying idiot please +q |
| 03:07.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: sheep annoying idiot please +q |
| 03:08.13 | sheep | ? |
| 03:08.26 | Entranced | agreed liable |
| 03:08.45 | nonforma | o my sarge ia64 netinst iso download finished |
| 03:08.48 | nonforma | ill bbl^^ |
| 03:08.54 | sheep | ignore those guys? |
| 03:09.07 | sheep | OhSmiTt, ic |
| 03:09.32 | Entranced | Lur: that'll give you a rough idea |
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| 03:10.16 | nonforma | mwilson: are you ever in #qmr? |
| 03:10.45 | jim | sheep == haha from before |
| 03:10.45 | sheep | (mayer gibson) |
| 03:11.03 | jim | [haha] (~lool@61-216-109-34.dynamic.hinet.net): watermelons in a row |
| 03:11.04 | sheep | O_O |
| 03:11.17 | jim | in case that's helpful... |
| 03:11.26 | sheep | so? |
| 03:11.26 | Ether_Man_ | Sheep seems more like a very annoying bot than anything else |
| 03:11.27 | liable | and sigh |
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| 03:11.38 | sheep | umm,I am. |
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| 03:11.49 | sheep | AI bot ^_^ |
| 03:11.52 | liable | sheep: go away please. |
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| 03:12.00 | sheep | ... |
| 03:12.05 | Oddi | could just be a very dumb human? |
| 03:12.09 | jim | but haha did not post |
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| 03:13.14 | jair | guys how can I find channels search ? I am looking about specific content. |
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| 03:13.51 | kjparker | hmm, i have a problem with NTLM authentication through Squid |
| 03:14.12 | Neffer | I'm banging my head against the desk. I can't seem to burn CD's in my new DVDburner under 2.6.8 (testing) |
| 03:14.13 | kjparker | anyone able to assist me with it? i know it's permissions, i'm just not sure where to go from here |
| 03:14.29 | Neffer | I'm trying cdrecord cmd line with no disks gettign burned. |
| 03:14.33 | vorlon | kjparker: what do you mean by permissions? |
| 03:14.53 | mwilson | Neffer: Since cdrecord doesn't burn DVD's, I don't think you're going to get much satisfaction. |
| 03:14.54 | kjparker | i get an error in the cache.log which I will paste into flood very shortly |
| 03:15.01 | Neffer | My media is rated 48x the dvd burner should do cd at 48X I can't burn at 4x. I'm not sure what all the errors mean..:-) |
| 03:15.16 | Neffer | mwilson - trying to burn cd! |
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| 03:15.42 | Neffer | I can burn DVDs jsut fine (ising xdvdshrnik as front end to the tools) |
| 03:16.06 | sheep | (so cd is gone) |
| 03:16.08 | Neffer | I can't seem to run - I can't use ATA for cdrecord Cdrecord-Clone 2.01.01a01 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 03:16.09 | jair | how could I find or look for other channels in the x-chat?? in IRC I guess? |
| 03:16.26 | sheep | (read only on DVD machine) |
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| 03:16.40 | liable | jair: theres a button for scanning the server somewhere |
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| 03:16.46 | MobyTurbo | Neffer: i686? Are you sure you're running Debian? |
| 03:17.01 | Neffer | MobyTurbo - Debian testing |
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| 03:17.14 | jair | liable, but I know it is a command in the channel. do not remember if is /find or /list |
| 03:17.28 | Neffer | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 03:17.29 | Randex | is there support for wireless laptop cards? I have sierra wireless edge adapter. I wanted to install debian on my laptop but dunno if there is support for my connection. |
| 03:17.33 | sheep | Neffer, himself deb? |
| 03:17.37 | MobyTurbo | Neffer: hmm, mine says 686 too - odd |
| 03:17.42 | liable | jair: why not try it? |
| 03:17.51 | liable | jair: /help |
| 03:17.51 | kjparker | Randex, soe are, some need other drivers. |
| 03:17.55 | jair | ok |
| 03:18.00 | Neffer | yes everythign deb - Except for some subtitle ripper apps form xdvdshrink authw... |
| 03:18.20 | Randex | well would i need cingulars software to connect also? |
| 03:18.42 | jair | got it I think the command is list |
| 03:19.01 | Neffer | I can't do a cdrecord -scanus dev=ATA: becasue it tries to lock /dav/hda (HD) but ATAPI works but I cant burn! I leep getting cdrecord: OPC failed. |
| 03:19.04 | kjparker | oooh, bugger just rebooted my server, and it just so happened to be the 30th boot. It did a fsck, and it failed... now it wants me to do it manually |
| 03:19.05 | kjparker | :( |
| 03:19.10 | liable | Randex: find out the chipset and go from there. |
| 03:19.23 | Randex | laptop chipset? |
| 03:19.35 | Neffer | cdrdao will find ATA devices when I scanbus though. |
| 03:19.35 | liable | Randex: wireless card |
| 03:19.55 | Neffer | I can post errors if anyone can llok at them (oooh forgot posting link ...) |
| 03:20.02 | Randex | liable: how would i find out |
| 03:20.15 | liable | Randex: why, google of course :P |
| 03:20.34 | Randex | lol duhh... dumb question srry |
| 03:20.45 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 03:20.45 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
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| 03:22.13 | kjparker | if i modify the contents of my resolv.conf will the system use the new servers by default, or do i need to reboot\ |
| 03:22.25 | Pryon | reboot? |
| 03:22.25 | iLLf8d | lo all are there any dns gurus around who could advise me in a pm? my setups kinda convoluted and I'm not sure i'm doing it the best way possible and a paste in here would probably be a huge flood. |
| 03:23.02 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 03:23.14 | kjparker | iLLf8d, try pasting in #flood |
| 03:23.19 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 03:23.19 | jim | kjparker: give it a shot and see |
| 03:23.26 | freewoody | How do I know if my DNS settings are correct |
| 03:23.45 | jim | iLLf8d: or better, put it on a web site |
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| 03:24.18 | jim | freewoody: if your dog is well-fed and your garbage can is not pregnant, your dns is fine! |
| 03:24.35 | Neffer | What is the #debian channel website for posting long text - i can trecall the URL... |
| 03:24.36 | _zoidberg | hi |
| 03:24.40 | jim | freewoody: why? are you experiencing problems? |
| 03:24.57 | jim | Neffer: one way is http://rafb.net/paste |
| 03:25.04 | jim | !paste |
| 03:25.04 | freewoody | Well I can ping and use Messenger to chat but I can't browse from my Squid Box |
| 03:25.05 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 03:25.44 | _zoidberg | somebody can help me, the combination "ALT+Numpad" to get special characters doesn´t work on X, here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/304092 |
| 03:25.47 | jim | freewoody: can you ping yahoo.com? |
| 03:25.53 | freewoody | Yes I can |
| 03:26.08 | paster | "Neffer" at 69.161.71.79 pasted "cdrecord errors" (102 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/258 |
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| 03:26.15 | MobyTurbo | _zoidberg: xorg is not in Debian |
| 03:26.19 | jim | have you bought domains that you want to serve? does your present question have to do with that? |
| 03:26.32 | streuner_ | _zoidberg: what distro do you use? |
| 03:26.40 | _zoidberg | MobyTurbo: demudi |
| 03:26.47 | Neffer | OK that was it :-) Anyone else runnignthis version of cdrecord with a dvdburner and 2.6.8 kernel NOT using scsi emulation? |
| 03:26.59 | _zoidberg | debian multimedia distribution |
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| 03:27.17 | MobyTurbo | _zoidberg: try your own distribution's channel |
| 03:27.19 | jim | freewoody: have you bought domains that you want to serve? does your present question have to do with that? |
| 03:27.28 | _zoidberg | ok thanks |
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| 03:27.54 | freewoody | No I have not bought domains |
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| 03:28.10 | freewoody | The only website that I can't browse is my company's own website |
| 03:28.13 | crackhead | can someone tell me what package zip is in? |
| 03:28.21 | streuner_ | zip |
| 03:28.27 | freewoody | Sorry the only website that I can browse is my own website |
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| 03:28.29 | jim | ok, if you can ping outside (like, to yahoo.com) from a machine inside your local net, then your dns is fine |
| 03:28.52 | freewoody | But I can't do anything on port 80 |
| 03:29.04 | crackhead | streuner_: so I should be able to do: apt-get install zip |
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| 03:29.24 | jim | as long as you realize that what you're experiencing now is not related to dns... |
| 03:29.54 | jim | ok, if you can ping outside (like, to yahoo.com) from a machine inside your local net, then your dns is fine |
| 03:29.54 | freewoody | I thought Squid was causing the problem, so I stopped it. But it does not help |
| 03:29.59 | jair | guys it is any torrent client or command line for debian??? |
| 03:30.16 | Phated | jair: bittorrent, |
| 03:30.18 | freewoody | Jim, could it be due to some misconfig it the Router |
| 03:30.23 | streuner_ | crackhead: if you i-net connection is working in debian and the wind blows in the right direction yes. |
| 03:30.25 | jim | yes, it could |
| 03:30.31 | jair | I know that is a command to get files using wget, but do not know about any for torrents. |
| 03:30.44 | jair | Phated, what about it ?? |
| 03:30.48 | jim | for example if you told it to block anyone's port 80 :) |
| 03:31.00 | Phated | jair: "apt-get install bittorrent" |
| 03:31.07 | jair | Phated, :) |
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| 03:31.21 | jair | Phated, thank you it is a man page for it too right? |
| 03:31.25 | freewoody | jim, Can a Cisco 2900 router be configured in a way so that a particular IP machine could not browse web pages? |
| 03:31.37 | jim | no idea |
| 03:31.44 | Phated | jair: dpkg -L the package to find the actual commands. |
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| 03:31.54 | freewoody | Well can routers do that kind of stuff ? |
| 03:32.01 | jim | yes |
| 03:32.14 | jair | Phated, nice |
| 03:32.14 | ethics | freewoody, yes |
| 03:32.18 | jair | Phated, thanks |
| 03:32.24 | kjparker | freewoody, it depends on the ios version and the feature set you have |
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| 03:32.35 | Phated | jair: Or just bt<tab><tab> at the command line. |
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| 03:32.43 | jim | but see, there are so many things that routers do in their purview that it's hard to know exactly what each one's capability is |
| 03:33.02 | freewoody | Well I think that the reason I can't browse webpages is due to a misconfig in the Router |
| 03:33.13 | Phated | jair: Although the commands you're most likely to be concerned with are btdownloadcurses and btlaunchmanycurses. |
| 03:33.14 | kjparker | can you ping by name? |
| 03:33.16 | scarynetworkguy | freewoody: Unlikely as all hell. |
| 03:33.17 | jim | ok, can you replace the router? |
| 03:33.24 | jim | kj: he can |
| 03:33.29 | freewoody | Well I can't |
| 03:33.39 | kjparker | i doubt it's the router then |
| 03:33.42 | freewoody | It's used for other purposes as well |
| 03:34.06 | kjparker | i'd be inclined to check workstation settings, |
| 03:34.07 | jim | freewoody, we just tested that. you can ping by name. |
| 03:34.08 | Phated | Maybe your company just doesn't want you browsing websites while you're supposed to be working. |
| 03:34.10 | Neffer | I can't seem to get cdrecord to record anything! I'm following the sample from the cdrecord man pages to back up audio files.. I have files onHD. Thy to cdrecord, OPC fails every time I'm trying to use both dev=/dev/hdc and dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 --neither works 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 03:34.21 | freewoody | Yes I can ping yahoo.com or google.com by name |
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| 03:34.26 | jair | Phated, but you know that I have seen the one call azuerus I think and it appear in the list of apt-cache search bittorrent |
| 03:34.27 | liable | freewoody: no firewall on that box? |
| 03:34.35 | streuner_ | !tell crackhead about search |
| 03:34.37 | freewoody | Yes no firewall for now |
| 03:34.41 | jair | Phated, that one I am familiar with it is any difference? |
| 03:34.44 | kjparker | are you able to access the router? |
| 03:35.00 | freewoody | YeS I can access the Router |
| 03:35.01 | jair | Phated, it is better the other ones? text only? |
| 03:35.01 | kjparker | if so go into enable mode and go show running |
| 03:35.10 | kjparker | and paste it into flood! ;) |
| 03:35.12 | Neffer | I have new Plextore DVDR |
| 03:35.16 | Phated | jair: I'm not familiar with azureus, and AFAIK, it's a GUI. You said command-line. |
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| 03:35.46 | jair | Phated, ohh because I though that will be faster ??? |
| 03:36.00 | kjparker | freewoody, what ios is on it, and what feature set |
| 03:36.08 | streuner_ | Neffer: did you check out usenet? (groups.google.com) |
| 03:36.18 | Phated | <shrug> Not a clue. I use btdownloadcurses and btlaunchmanycurses quite happily. |
| 03:36.29 | freewoody | Well KJ, I am afraid that I am not familar with Routers |
| 03:36.47 | Neffer | streuner_: I've googled all over for the 2.6.8 kernel and can't seem to find anything conclusive, some use scsi emulation some say it woks fnie...:-( |
| 03:36.53 | kjparker | do you have telnet access to it? and the enable passwords to it? |
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| 03:37.32 | jair | Phated, thank you very much. |
| 03:37.35 | jetx | p0wnin got old |
| 03:37.37 | Neffer | streuner_: THe cdrecord itself "do not ask athor for assistance" since it's debianized.... |
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| 03:38.19 | freewoody | I don't have any kind of Access to the Router |
| 03:38.19 | zxc | is there any tool that could tell me the current bits per pixel under x11 ? |
| 03:38.24 | Phated | jair: You're welcome. |
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| 03:39.08 | freewoody | I get the Error Connection Failed (113) No route to host when I try to browse web pages |
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| 03:39.47 | eyda|mon | I upgraded a machine and now I can't log in to it. I've got one old login to the machine, where I have root, but I can't make any new ones. ssh prompts for password, but I get login denied at every turns. Any suggestions of things to look for why the login would be failing? |
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| 03:40.25 | kjparker | whose router is it? Has it ever worked? |
| 03:40.50 | kjparker | what type of internet connection is it? |
| 03:40.58 | Xenguy | Obscure question, but maybe someone knows... I'm looking for a free software alternative to an 'SQL query' tool (for Oracle databases) called 'PLSQL Developer'... basically it just connects to various Oracle databases and executes/stores SQL queries... anyone know of a similar tool for Debian? |
| 03:41.21 | freewoody | Well the Router has been working for some time now |
| 03:41.33 | freewoody | I have a Wireless connection |
| 03:42.04 | kjparker | the internet connection is a wireless connection? |
| 03:42.10 | jim | Xenguy: first you'd need a free-software database... consider postgres |
| 03:42.30 | Xenguy | jim: heh, yeah, but not my choice unfortunately |
| 03:42.40 | n3x_ | postgres errk |
| 03:42.42 | n3x_ | mysql :) |
| 03:42.47 | freewoody | Yes it is |
| 03:42.52 | streuner_ | Neffer: What does 'dpkg -l cdrecord | tail -1' say? |
| 03:42.55 | Xenguy | !start a database war |
| 03:42.55 | dpkg | oracle sucks |
| 03:42.59 | Xenguy | hehe |
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| 03:43.19 | rpozo | hi all |
| 03:43.20 | kjparker | can youplug it directly to your computer? |
| 03:43.31 | Neffer | ii cdrecord 2.01+01a01-4 command line CD writing tool |
| 03:43.46 | Neffer | streuner_: sorry pasted :-) |
| 03:43.48 | rpozo | can I just say, holy crap. it's unreal the level of intelligence that's in the redhat community as opposed to the debian community |
| 03:43.55 | streuner_ | Neffer: one line is ok |
| 03:44.06 | eyda|mon | anyone know why the server would just refuse login after an upgrade? |
| 03:44.07 | rpozo | let's just say us deb heads have it together much more than the other half |
| 03:44.10 | streuner_ | Neffer: so you running testing, right? |
| 03:44.17 | n3x_ | rpozo: is that good ro bad for debian |
| 03:44.18 | Neffer | streuner_: yes.. |
| 03:44.24 | rpozo | n3x_: good for debian |
| 03:44.28 | freewoody | Well we have a Wireless device which connects to a AP a few kms away |
| 03:44.28 | streuner_ | Neffer: What does BTS say? |
| 03:44.36 | Neffer | I was burnign on acer external USB under 2.4 kern and only at 4x- I was |
| 03:44.42 | freewoody | Then from the device we get the Internet connection |
| 03:44.59 | Neffer | so excited to get new Plextor DVD buner and upgrade all hardware software. but now cant get cd's out ( |
| 03:45.09 | Neffer | streuner_: BTS? |
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| 03:45.28 | rpozo | i'm at a client's office working on a $7k server that I just built a few days ago which was supposed to have Sarge on it but Adaptec didn't properly build their driver for any other distro besides Fedora (UGH). So, after 2 days of screwing with it I finally said fsck it and installed Fedora Core 4. It's unbelievably crappy in so many ways. |
| 03:45.44 | streuner_ | !tell Neffer about bts |
| 03:45.56 | n3x_ | rpozo: yes.. yes it is |
| 03:46.21 | n3x_ | ive never had a problem with Adaptec cards and debian |
| 03:46.24 | rpozo | and everytime something comes up that doesn't make sense and you ask a question in the fedora channel, the answer is, why would you compile from source, just install the rpm. and when you respond saying thanks but no thanks, they get all pissy because they have no clue of actually compiling software from source |
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| 03:47.08 | n3x_ | Shorty`: sucks |
| 03:47.14 | rpozo | n3x_: try the 2200S raid controller. it simply doesn't work with the installer. i even called adaptec and talked to their "linux developer" and he said that they worked only with redhat and wrote a custom version of the driver to be included with fedora |
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| 03:48.07 | liable | bah, gotta work, bbl. |
| 03:48.38 | rpozo | so, here I am, at my wits end and I've got the entire server up and running perfectly. However, I just compiled and installed clamAV and went to pop in my init script I wrote a while ago on my debian server. I put it in and guess what, it errors back saying the start-stop-daemon doesn't exist. so I google and sure enough, redhat doesn't include it. |
| 03:48.43 | rpozo | so I'm like, um, wtf |
| 03:49.10 | streuner_ | Neffer: do you get any results with 'cdrecord -scanbus'? (Dont paste here) |
| 03:49.19 | intension | rpozo why dont you take out the raid card and run software raid ? |
| 03:49.19 | sheep | rpozo, that's too bad. |
| 03:49.40 | rpozo | so after much poking around and trial and error and exhaustive banging my head against the wall by talking to the people in the fedora channel, i figured i'd come in here to see if someone that has a head on their shoulders could give me a hand here |
| 03:50.06 | sheep | rpozo, why fedora can use the latest gcc 4.0? |
| 03:50.18 | Neffer | streuner_: I see here is a 31 day old bug exaclty like what I am seeing, I can't use -scanbus -dev=ATA: since it hags at /dev/hda (but dav=ATAPI: works but I can't burn with it) |
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| 03:50.31 | rpozo | sheep: i'm not following |
| 03:50.38 | n3x_ | nor am i |
| 03:50.47 | sheep | rpozo, that's too bad |
| 03:50.58 | jetx | !troll sheep |
| 03:51.02 | sheep | rpozo, a trick? |
| 03:51.16 | intension | what sheep ? |
| 03:51.16 | sheep | OhSmiTt, come on |
| 03:51.31 | liable | sheep: ffs, stop your pointless babbling |
| 03:52.06 | Shorty` | n3x_, childish whever you go.. |
| 03:52.13 | n3x_ | oh hi shane |
| 03:52.17 | intension | rpozo if you decide to take out the card you can send it to me |
| 03:52.23 | sheep | gcc4.x gcc3.4.x gcc3.3.x <- which is better? |
| 03:52.33 | rpozo | intension: lol, i have it all up and working perfectly now |
| 03:52.37 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 03:52.38 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 03:52.47 | daesotho | i installed all the xfonts-intl packages, but i still see cjk characters as boxes of numbers in firefox, gaim and xchat |
| 03:52.50 | sheep | rot |
| 03:52.50 | kevin | kevin is offically frustrated, going to shut-down and maybe look at this wireless stuff with fresh eyes in the morning, have a great night one and all |
| 03:53.06 | daesotho | g'nice |
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| 03:53.09 | sheep | rol |
| 03:53.11 | daesotho | *g'nite |
| 03:53.15 | sheep | ror |
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| 03:53.47 | MobyTurbo | !ops sheep is a troll, bot, or both |
| 03:53.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: sheep is a troll, bot, or both |
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| 03:54.11 | Neffer | streuner_: streuner: I think I see what was happening - I was using dev=/dev/hdc (supposed to work) I jsut went and tried dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 and it started writing (at 4X :-( |
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| 03:54.32 | streuner_ | Neffer: enjoy ;-) |
| 03:55.05 | daesotho | openoffice doesn't display cjk characters either |
| 03:55.20 | streuner_ | Neffer: is ide-scsi loaded ? |
| 03:55.20 | Neffer | streuner_: I'll give ATA:1,0,0 a try since it seemsto recognizw it by /dev/ but not by scanbus |
| 03:55.33 | Neffer | streuner_: No not under 2.6.8 kernel... |
| 03:55.37 | daesotho | how do i get cjk characters to display? what packages do i need in install or configure? |
| 03:55.53 | daesotho | i've looked at the debian manual, theres nothing there about it |
| 03:55.55 | streuner_ | Neffer: compiled into kernel? |
| 03:55.57 | rpozo | so, anyone here have any thoughts on my situation? |
| 03:55.58 | Neffer | streuner_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=310689 |
| 03:55.59 | dondelelcaro | daesotho: you need the appropriate fonts and be using a utf-8 locale |
| 03:56.06 | daesotho | hm |
| 03:56.34 | MobyTurbo | !any idea |
| 03:56.35 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little vegemite, and a dozen starving oxen. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 03:56.45 | daesotho | [daesotho@Pavel:~ ^_^]$ locale LANG=en_US |
| 03:56.52 | dondelelcaro | daesotho: you'll also need a utf-8 compatible xterm, like uxterm or rxvt-unicode |
| 03:56.52 | Neffer | streuner_: I'd be lying if I said I understood 100% why ide-scsi was deprecated or why we are supposed to use ATA under 2.6 :-) |
| 03:56.59 | dondelelcaro | daesotho: that's iso8859-1 |
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| 03:57.33 | streuner_ | Neffer: yes you would :-) |
| 03:58.01 | abrotman | !worked in 2.4 |
| 03:58.02 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
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| 03:58.09 | streuner_ | Neffer: because i burn unter my 2.6.9 kernel all the time with ide-scsi ;-) |
| 03:58.24 | n3x_ | id be so poor if i said that |
| 03:58.39 | Neffer | streuner_: and I read the release notes at cdrecord authors web sites and I helped the xdvdshrinnk authot with his script - but I still cant seem to get my head around burning a single CD under 2.6.8 in a dvd burner ;-) |
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| 03:59.14 | daesotho | ooh |
| 03:59.15 | daesotho | ok |
| 03:59.23 | kjparker | neffer, have you tried a diofferent program, or a front end for cdrecord? |
| 03:59.28 | daesotho | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:59.46 | daesotho | and i set it to en_US.UTF-8 |
| 03:59.54 | dondelelcaro | daesotho: that just builds locales |
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| 03:59.59 | dondelelcaro | daesotho: you still have to set LANG appropriately |
| 04:00.13 | daesotho | how do i do that? |
| 04:00.19 | Neffer | steuner_: just the other day I was told here (I thought greycat) to not use ide-scsi - but teh author of growisofs on his site metnions even though you "arent supposed to" under 2.6.8 he does. I was trying to find a solid answer - all the GUIs seem to insist on a SCSI device! |
| 04:00.21 | streuner_ | Neffer: try 'mkisofs -R -J /somefolder | cdrecord -v -dummy dev=0,0,0 driveropts=burnfree -' |
| 04:00.27 | dondelelcaro | export LANG="en_US.UTF-8"; |
| 04:00.35 | dondelelcaro | (and set it in your .bashrc or whatever is correct) |
| 04:00.45 | daesotho | alright then |
| 04:01.13 | Neffer | streuner_: I will as soon as thins last track burns: (stupid 4x! :-) |
| 04:01.49 | daesotho | do i need to re-run xsession to see the effect then? |
| 04:01.59 | Neffer | streuner_: While I'm waitig I'll run some gnutypist ina console (I need help there as much as with cd burning! |
| 04:02.38 | Neffer | streuner_: To use dev=0,0,0 I need to be running ide-scsi No? I'm not- So I have to use dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 (I thought) |
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| 04:02.51 | Neffer | (ide-scsi in startup) |
| 04:03.13 | streuner_ | Neffer: if you get any results with 'cdrecord -scanbus' its ok then |
| 04:03.14 | blueillusion | how can i check what filesystem my harddrive is using? |
| 04:03.32 | abrotman | blueillusion: should be in your fstab |
| 04:03.32 | jetx | type mount |
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| 04:04.09 | blueillusion | well the thing is my friend was setting up a new hdd and left the comp with me, but he only partitioned and formatted with a filesystem he didnt tell me |
| 04:04.21 | jmstacey | How do I configure apt-get to ignore certain dependencies permanently? |
| 04:04.23 | jetx | cfdisk |
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| 04:04.33 | jetx | man apt-pinning maybe |
| 04:04.34 | streuner_ | nah |
| 04:04.39 | blueillusion | thanx jetx |
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| 04:05.06 | jetx | unless it's linux |
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| 04:05.15 | jetx | then it may or not say |
| 04:05.23 | jetx | mine does |
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| 04:05.36 | jetx | seems to me it didnt, once |
| 04:05.56 | jmstacey | jetx: Isn't showing up on my box |
| 04:06.27 | jetx | you typed cfdisk /dev/?da ? |
| 04:06.31 | jetx | err |
| 04:06.42 | jetx | cfdisk /dev/hd? ? |
| 04:06.46 | jetx | or is it ide |
| 04:07.06 | Shorty` | uh |
| 04:07.12 | Shorty` | dmesg | grep hd |
| 04:07.13 | Shorty` | ;P |
| 04:08.01 | Neffer | streuner_:I can't run cdrecord -scanbus - cannot open /dev/pg* error |
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| 04:08.11 | Neffer | I can scanbus with dev=ATAPI: only... |
| 04:08.18 | streuner_ | ok |
| 04:08.50 | Triffid_Hunter | Neffer: just use dev=/dev/cdrom or whatever, and don't scanbus at all.. that's what works 100% for me ;) |
| 04:09.28 | Neffer | Triffid_Hunter: 2.6.8 kernel using debian testing cdrecord and DVDburner? |
| 04:09.29 | streuner_ | Neffer: if you want to use that command just put 'ide-scsi' into /etc/modules |
| 04:09.44 | Neffer | streuner_: Oh OK. |
| 04:09.47 | streuner_ | Neffer: modprobe ide-scsi |
| 04:10.04 | Triffid_Hunter | Neffer: nope, 2.6.12 kernel using gentoo testing cdrecord ;) |
| 04:10.46 | Triffid_Hunter | i don't have any scsi cdrom support, so most programs choke unless i force em to use the ide device node |
| 04:11.12 | streuner_ | Triffid_Hunter: Don't troll here. |
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| 04:11.29 | Neffer | OOH the cd I just burnt has so many pops and crackles - gotta check source. maybe I screwed up the read... |
| 04:11.44 | Triffid_Hunter | streuner_: er how was i trolling exactly? |
| 04:12.53 | Neffer | Triffid_Hunter: The answer doesnt help when everyone here (supposedly ) is using Debian (hence #debian) :-) so some will assume you are trolling... |
| 04:13.08 | Neffer | but I appreciate the input... |
| 04:13.22 | Triffid_Hunter | Neffer: the same solution works on debian boxes i've seen with the same problem... |
| 04:13.32 | Triffid_Hunter | which is why i suggested you try it |
| 04:14.08 | Neffer | I've also seen it online that many who use 2.6.8 still use the ide-scsi emulation. Do you have to modprobe ide-scsi everytie you want to use it? |
| 04:14.53 | Triffid_Hunter | it _should_ auto-load it if its not loaded, then leave it loaded until unloaded.. |
| 04:14.54 | Neffer | oooh The original CD pops and crackles too so I guess teh burn was a success - now to figure out burnign to better than 4X! (and as non-root user) |
| 04:15.37 | streuner_ | Neffer: you need to verify the resulting data on your CD |
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| 04:15.53 | streuner_ | Neffer: just copy the data to HD back again |
| 04:16.00 | Neffer | I really want to use cdrdao to jsut run copy but that write fails. Oh well at least I got one cd backed up in a day :-) |
| 04:16.29 | pfizur | build a SAN. everyone should buliud a SAN. right now. this is the answer. |
| 04:16.38 | Neffer | streuner_: I feel confident the rea was good - I'm gonna try both cd in stereo player to see if the crackling is jsut old PC speakers... |
| 04:16.58 | streuner_ | Neffer: they were issues with cdrdao and 2.6.x kernels - dont know if they solved or not |
| 04:17.27 | streuner_ | Neffer: NOT with ide-scsi |
| 04:17.53 | Neffer | streuner_: I got that impression _ scanbus was great and seemed to want ATA but the writing I could not do, even a read-cd failed after readig 613MB I got a cannot write to data.bin error (running cdrdao satuid root) |
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| 04:18.22 | Neffer | streuner_: I've enabled ide-scsi so I'll retry gcombust adn other guis (I need to make this as easy as possible for SO) |
| 04:19.40 | Triffid_Hunter | k3b is the nicest cd burner gui i've found.. has kde dependencies though |
| 04:20.04 | Neffer | streuner_: I added ide-scsi to /etc/modules and did modprobe ide-scsi but when I run cdrecord -scanbus I still get No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 04:20.10 | Triffid_Hunter | actually its the only one i've found that can actually burn anything at all.. |
| 04:20.54 | kjparker | if i have the choice between downloading the source code to an application or downloading an rpm and converting it, which would be the best choice |
| 04:21.00 | Triffid_Hunter | Neffer: you may need to load scsi cdrom support too.. not sure what you have built-in and what as modules |
| 04:21.00 | Neffer | Triffid_Hunter: Does seem easy but I'm trying to stick in Gnome for now. I actually ahve kde libs loaded to run k3b but it was suffering from same probs since cdrecord is suffering as its backend |
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| 04:22.02 | Triffid_Hunter | kjparker: the former has a higher likelihood of success, but a greater setup time, unless the rpm was compiled against libraries you have available on your system |
| 04:22.14 | Neffer | I have in /etc/modules ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic adn ide-scsi |
| 04:22.26 | kjparker | Triffid_Hunter, that's what i thought |
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| 04:23.07 | Neffer | I am using apt-gett'd 2.6.8-686 kernel... |
| 04:23.11 | Triffid_Hunter | Neffer: i've not really played with scsi.. all i know about it is that it doesn't like my atapi/ide cdrom, but is perfectly happy with usb memory sticks.. |
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| 04:27.07 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason not to use the ATAPI driver if it works. If it doesn't, use ide_scsi |
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| 04:28.05 | streuner_ | (bad) habit ;-) |
| 04:28.08 | Neffer | dondelelcargo: Ok it just seems the ATAPI is so frowned upon everywhere I look - everythign screams USE ATA! |
| 04:28.17 | dondelelcaro | Neffer: that's just joerg schilling |
| 04:28.19 | kjparker | is anybody having problems connecting to nerim.net? |
| 04:28.34 | dondelelcaro | kjparker: yes. |
| 04:28.36 | streuner_ | kjparker: yes |
| 04:28.39 | dondelelcaro | kjparker: use a mirror instead |
| 04:28.56 | dondelelcaro | deb http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian-marillat unstable main FE |
| 04:29.21 | Neffer | dondelelcargo:but cdrecord and cdrdao seem to find my drives so differently ( and I cant get cdrdao to burn. Also I have areally hard time passing ATAPI:0,0,0 to the guisoftware my wife has to use (she won;t open a smd window:-) |
| 04:29.54 | dondelelcaro | Neffer: there should be a config file to set the default device, or you can set it using the cdrecord configuration file |
| 04:30.34 | Neffer | Ahh config files - sometimes I can't see the forest - all these damned trees in the way :-) |
| 04:30.36 | kjparker | dondelelcaro, does that have testing on it as well? |
| 04:30.58 | dondelelcaro | kjparker: don't know |
| 04:31.13 | dondelelcaro | kjparker: it's a full mirror, so if nerim does, it does as well |
| 04:32.34 | Neffer | does cdda2wav have to be run setuid Root? |
| 04:32.57 | dondelelcaro | Neffer: depends on the permisions of the cdrom device |
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| 04:33.10 | Neffer | oops never mind I entereed wonrg path to gcombust :-) |
| 04:34.07 | Neffer | cant write to /opt/vaultgcombust_01.wav heheh |
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| 04:40.58 | Neffer | streuner+L so you know if the /etc/defaults/cdrecord will take ATAPI:1,0,0 in the alias format jeorg has? |
| 04:41.23 | Neffer | do you know I meant... |
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| 04:45.09 | Neffer | dondelelcaro: cdrdao and cdrecord have been confusing the heck outof me with the scanbus stuff... |
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| 04:46.39 | Neffer | I have to type dev=ATAPI: for cdrecord (it hangs on /dev/hda when I use ATA) and when I type;' cdrdao scanbus' it returns ATA:1,0,0 and ATA:1,1,0 bu when I use those in a cdrdao copy as saource-device and device it'a always reversed! (Ti wants to read from the one it signalled as burner and vice-versa... |
| 04:47.22 | blueillusion | hry guys i just got gensplash going and im using splash=silent, the silent logo shows, but then the vebose text overwraps it rightaway |
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| 04:48.00 | blueillusion | oops wrong chan |
| 04:50.14 | streuner_ | Neffer: hm, scroll up i told you before |
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| 04:52.12 | Neffer | streuner_: about config files? |
| 04:52.38 | Neffer | streuner_: Ot about using ide-scsi...? |
| 04:52.52 | streuner_ | about 2.6.x kernels and cdrdao |
| 04:53.24 | Neffer | Oh Yeah Problems with 2.6.8 and cdrdao - sorry way too late for me:-) |
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| 05:01.55 | Neffer | streuner_: is this error a problemor just warning (Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root?) |
| 05:02.38 | streuner | Neffer: well, sounds like an error |
| 05:03.10 | Neffer | It's waht I get when I try to run gcombust and burn audio files. OR from cmd line itself... |
| 05:03.15 | Neffer | BUt it is setuid root |
| 05:03.20 | jbmigel | anyone know a cheap debian compatible PCI SCSI U320 controller? I just ebayed a SCSI drive and want to get a controller next for debian |
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| 05:03.48 | Neffer | You are probably not running cdrecord as root or you have the wrong permissions on the burner device |
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| 05:04.25 | streuner | Neffer: try dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord |
| 05:04.52 | streuner | !ops Enum is a onjoin-spambot |
| 05:04.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Enum is a onjoin-spambot |
| 05:04.54 | Neffer | I just noticed If you run gcombust from cmd line then run a burn it shows the cdrecord cmd line in the console you started from - very nice... |
| 05:05.05 | Neffer | streuner_: I wil... |
| 05:05.59 | kjparker | can someone please have a look in flood and suggest what I can do to fix that problem, that it the output i get when trying to apt-get something |
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| 05:06.57 | furrywolf | welp, yet another usb device. now have 7 USB printers in my bedroom. :) |
| 05:07.03 | baler | is unstable usable yet? |
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| 05:07.46 | Neffer | sorry weak at bash script what is key to getting ls -la (output of which cdrecord) to work I cant recall cahracters to surround the whcih part wiht:-) |
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| 05:11.00 | cbr | is marillat broken? |
| 05:12.12 | Neffer | cbr: yes someone posted mirror here earlier but I didnt copy it :-( |
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| 05:13.20 | cbr | oh ok |
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| 05:13.38 | xam | !ops enum on-join spammer |
| 05:13.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: enum on-join spammer |
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| 05:18.01 | sheep | xam, umm |
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| 05:18.29 | sheep | @@ |
| 05:18.29 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, @ is where it's at |
| 05:19.59 | Neffer | streuner: reconfigure seemed to do the trick , thanks Don't know what I did to screw that up - probably messing with dvd recording etc. Oh well gcombust seesm to be writing a cd now. Thanks - Now I wish I had a visible representation of how fast this thing was writin )or when it would be done :-) |
| 05:20.09 | kjparker | deb http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian-marillat testing main |
| 05:20.22 | kjparker | CBR: use that one |
| 05:20.32 | cbr | why is the main mirror down anyway? |
| 05:20.33 | cbr | thanks |
| 05:20.37 | kjparker | nfi |
| 05:20.44 | cbr | nfi? |
| 05:21.05 | kjparker | no fucking idea |
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| 05:21.20 | cbr | is there any difference if i use testing or unstable? |
| 05:21.25 | cbr | in that repo |
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| 05:23.50 | bsims | darn is it quiet in here |
| 05:23.59 | bsims | !topic |
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| 05:24.10 | bsims | doh |
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| 05:27.59 | kjparker | can someone please kick/ban Enum\ |
| 05:28.11 | mwilson | Who cares? |
| 05:28.26 | kjparker | have you seen what gets sent? |
| 05:28.55 | Xenguy | kjparker: that nick rings a bell - I vote for that k/b also |
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| 05:29.29 | kjparker | i dn't appreciate being invited to go to a porn site when joining a debian support channel.... |
| 05:29.47 | Xenguy | kjparker: spambots, bleh |
| 05:30.06 | bsims | plus given the .ru its either kiddyporn or a scam. |
| 05:30.07 | Raenk | I got that invitation too |
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| 05:33.14 | bsims | bah |
| 05:33.30 | xsquared | hi everyone, im just wondering if there is a good file sharing program that has a web interface as I can't run X. |
| 05:33.41 | xsquared | and also, someone kick Enum... he is a porn bot |
| 05:33.50 | xsquared | just pm'd me |
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| 05:34.21 | sheep | xsquared, nice bot |
| 05:34.26 | icyfire0573 | xsquared: a believe amule will do webbased file serving |
| 05:34.48 | xsquared | icyfire0573: i think amule has to have a gtk interface :'( |
| 05:35.14 | sheep | icyfire0573, "longtime" web-file-sharing? |
| 05:35.29 | xsquared | sheep: ? |
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| 05:35.43 | sheep | icyfire0573, we will see |
| 05:35.50 | sheep | icyfire0573, bad idea |
| 05:36.07 | kjparker | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 05:36.12 | xsquared | yeah, thanks |
| 05:36.15 | Xenguy | tx dondelelcaro |
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| 05:38.14 | xsquared | does gift have a web interface? |
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| 05:46.59 | _joey | does anyone know if linux supports CI that come with some dvb-s cards ? |
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| 05:48.47 | xam | xsquared: amule has a web interface, and only if you compile the latest CVS (or wait a bit until it comes into unstable) you don't need gtk |
| 05:49.22 | xam | xsquared: you could also try mldonkey ... |
| 05:49.23 | xsquared | xam: thanks |
| 05:49.50 | xsquared | xam: i'll have a look, thanks =] |
| 05:50.35 | sheep | xam, you need wxgtk |
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| 05:51.18 | sheep | xam, gtk is everywhere -_- |
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| 05:52.17 | quittt | hey honey, walk on the wide side |
| 05:52.21 | xam | sheep: it only needs libwx_base and libwx_base_net |
| 05:52.57 | sheep | xam, aye... too many libs |
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| 05:53.36 | sheep | xam, Qt-free system is good ^_^ |
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| 05:53.49 | xam | sheep: eh? |
| 05:54.03 | sheep | xam, If I could... gtk-free too |
| 05:54.33 | sheep | xam, (no evil inside) |
| 05:54.34 | nephlim | does anyone know where apt-get installs samba, and how to restart it? |
| 05:54.52 | nephlim | all the howtos point to dirs that i don't have |
| 05:55.27 | xam | nephilm: edit /etc/samba/smb.conf ... to restart: /etc/init.d/samba restart |
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| 05:56.19 | nephlim | yeah, i used that one |
| 05:56.21 | nephlim | i got nada |
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| 05:56.52 | nephlim | wait |
| 05:57.05 | nephlim | woo-hoo! |
| 05:57.09 | nephlim | it worked |
| 05:57.12 | nephlim | thanks dude |
| 05:57.23 | xam | nephilm: also check that RUN_MODE="daemons" is set in /etc/defausts/samba |
| 05:57.32 | xam | okay ... |
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| 05:58.13 | nephlim | i think the other command i found looked like taht one, but had another dir in the path or something |
| 05:58.19 | spdf_ | argh.. |
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| 05:58.39 | bronaugh | how can I change what the default "x-terminal-emulator" or such is? |
| 05:58.52 | bronaugh | ie the debian way, not the "F the symlink up" way. |
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| 05:59.45 | xam | bronaugh: man update-alternatives |
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| 06:00.13 | bronaugh | xam: thanks. |
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| 06:02.01 | zulkifar | How to insert multiline text data in bash script? |
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| 06:03.00 | bronaugh | zulkifar: escape with \ |
| 06:03.47 | zulkifar | bronaugh: is there a notation like "echo << HTML -here-goes-multi-line-stuff- \n HTML;" ? |
| 06:03.59 | xam | zulkifar: do you mean you want to have a couple of newlines in the text data? |
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| 06:04.20 | xam | zulkifar: exactly |
| 06:04.27 | zulkifar | ? |
| 06:04.47 | xam | zulkifar: without escaping the \n though |
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| 06:04.57 | zulkifar | then i can do that just like in perl? :) |
| 06:05.06 | xam | yup |
| 06:05.15 | zulkifar | good :) not even tried though :) |
| 06:05.16 | nyterukh | hello |
| 06:05.19 | xam | perl copied from sh ;) |
| 06:05.21 | nyterukh | back again :} |
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| 06:06.13 | bronaugh | ok that rocks :) |
| 06:06.18 | bronaugh | I like the alternatives system very much. |
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| 06:06.56 | nyterukh | ? |
| 06:07.00 | smacnay | What would cause the error "bash: /mnt/cdrom/setup.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied" when root is trying to run the file setup.sh? This is for a non-CUPS printer driver install that is supposed to work with root on the system. |
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| 06:07.32 | xam | bronaugh: yeah, especially the support for link _groups_ |
| 06:07.44 | bronaugh | xam: just used it to change my default terminal. |
| 06:08.07 | bronaugh | totally simple once you figure it out. |
| 06:08.21 | xam | smacnay: you don't have the 'exec' mount option set in /etc/fstab |
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| 06:08.48 | Nigel | is there a apt-get -t for archs? |
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| 06:09.37 | smacnay | xam: I will try that but did copy the .sh file over to /tmp and had no luck running it there either |
| 06:09.40 | narg | I got a list of installed packages from dpkg --list, but how do you feed it to apt-get? |
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| 06:10.31 | dondelelcaro | narg: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 06:10.34 | gamma | anyone here using gmail atom feed with curl? i can't it working with my rss feed |
| 06:11.06 | narg | basicly, clone the packages of a system. |
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| 06:11.10 | xam | smacnay: because most likely the execute bit is not set when you copy from cdrom when the exec mount option was not used |
| 06:11.14 | narg | I did dpkg --list > installed |
| 06:11.21 | narg | and now I want to install ever package in that list. |
| 06:11.24 | narg | every* |
| 06:11.25 | dondelelcaro | !reinstall |
| 06:11.25 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 06:11.29 | dondelelcaro | narg: see above. |
| 06:11.30 | smacnay | xam: that did it! Thanks. I eyed that but didn't actually go and mount it by hand (I used my fstab entry). |
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| 06:12.10 | Lur | hi |
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| 06:12.59 | xam | narg: on system1: dpkg --get-selections >mylist ... on system2: dpkg --set-selections <mylist; apt-get dselect-upgrade |
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| 06:13.12 | Lur | I just installed debian on another box |
| 06:13.16 | xam | narg: or simply read the debian faq |
| 06:13.18 | Lur | and it doesn't have x |
| 06:13.24 | Lur | what packages do I need? |
| 06:13.29 | dondelelcaro | Lur: x-window-system |
| 06:13.42 | Lur | so apt-get install x-window-system? |
| 06:13.56 | dondelelcaro | Lur: yes. or x-window-system-core; depending on what exactly you're doing. |
| 06:14.06 | Lur | it's a pentium 166 |
| 06:14.10 | Lur | so not much:P |
| 06:14.35 | dondelelcaro | Lur: you may not even want to run X on that... |
| 06:14.41 | narg | Can anyone write me a sed/awk program to extract the second word of each column in a file? |
| 06:14.42 | Lur | used to run fluxbox under slackware pretty well |
| 06:14.52 | dondelelcaro | narg: did you read what dpkg told you at all? |
| 06:15.10 | narg | yes, but I am past that point of doing that. All I have left is the output of dpkg --list :p |
| 06:15.35 | dondelelcaro | narg: Read what dpkg said again. Now read your question. Now read what dpkg said again. Await enlightenmnet. |
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| 06:16.08 | Lur | ugh |
| 06:16.13 | Lur | my apt server sucks |
| 06:16.22 | xam | dondelelcaro: he might wait longer than you expect ;) |
| 06:16.22 | Lur | hwo do I change it? |
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| 06:16.27 | dondelelcaro | Lur: it will work, yes. It will just be slow |
| 06:16.36 | Lur | yup |
| 06:16.38 | dondelelcaro | Lur: run apt-setup; |
| 06:16.39 | narg | dondelelcaro: :P |
| 06:16.44 | Lur | thanks |
| 06:17.07 | narg | dondelelcaro: Now getting that into a CLI without copy/paste funcionality ;P |
| 06:17.29 | narg | !reinstall |
| 06:17.29 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 06:17.40 | dondelelcaro | hold up your hands in front of your face. If you can see any fingers, you've got the equivalent of that functionality |
| 06:17.57 | narg | har, har har |
| 06:17.57 | dondelelcaro | if you don't, well, hopefully you've got a bite stick or a braille terminal |
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| 06:20.19 | bronaugh | ok this is driving me up the wall. |
| 06:20.24 | bronaugh | oh. duh. |
| 06:20.27 | bronaugh | nm, I am an idiot. |
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| 06:23.38 | sigh | me too |
| 06:23.51 | nephlim | is port forwarding recomended for using samba? |
| 06:23.51 | sigh | huh huh huh |
| 06:24.17 | xam | jeez I think I have to leave this channel, this might be infectious |
| 06:24.37 | bronaugh | lol |
| 06:24.44 | Wyzard | nephlim: Is the Samba server on the same LAN as the computer you're trying to access it from? |
| 06:24.50 | sigh | ? |
| 06:25.07 | fretdog | Hello everyone! I'm still new to linux and want to know how to get a list of services on my system and stop and start them. |
| 06:25.09 | sigh | what's samba |
| 06:25.28 | sigh | !samba |
| 06:25.29 | dpkg | [samba] a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba |
| 06:25.30 | xam | nephlim: what do you want to do? |
| 06:26.27 | sigh | xam, (scan somebody) |
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| 06:26.35 | bronaugh | ok this rocks. ratpoison running inside xnest. |
| 06:27.04 | liable | sigh: dont you have something better to do than say pointless things here? |
| 06:27.10 | xam | bronaugh: are you into sm? |
| 06:27.33 | bronaugh | bdsm you mean? |
| 06:27.46 | nyterukh | goal fo what |
| 06:28.26 | bronaugh | xam: nah, I just hate the rodent. |
| 06:28.37 | dondelelcaro | fretdog: netstat -plunt; and ls /etc/init.d/ |
| 06:28.56 | xam | bronaugh: ;) |
| 06:29.03 | nyterukh | mm k... can i cruise two chans with bitchx or just one?...if so how do i switch between them |
| 06:29.22 | fretdog | dondelelcaro: Thanks! |
| 06:29.28 | dondelelcaro | nyterukh: yes, but you're better off using something like irssi-text |
| 06:29.40 | dondelelcaro | nyterukh: either way, ask that question in #bitchx; /join #bitchx |
| 06:29.46 | nyterukh | ahh okis... |
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| 06:29.55 | nephlim | Wyzard, yes, samba is on same lan |
| 06:30.00 | nyterukh | sorry just starting out |
| 06:30.05 | nyterukh | goodluck |
| 06:30.06 | nephlim | sorry for lag |
| 06:30.13 | dondelelcaro | ok, well, guess there isn't a bitchx channel |
| 06:30.47 | dbeal | /window create |
| 06:31.23 | dondelelcaro | yerp. definetly a bitchx user |
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| 06:32.15 | Lur | hehe |
| 06:32.16 | Lur | one more |
| 06:32.20 | Lur | I tried to start x |
| 06:32.25 | Lur | and it whined about the mouse |
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| 06:32.35 | Lur | I must have chosen the wrong server |
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| 06:32.43 | Lur | how would I fix it? |
| 06:32.54 | liable | Lur: reckon you could string that all into one sentence? |
| 06:33.12 | Lur | sorry |
| 06:33.23 | liable | !tell Lur about drxx |
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| 06:34.54 | x_or | How do I query the full name of a package? If I run dpkg -l it abbreviates the names, and even dpkg -L \*partial-name\* doesn't give me the full name. |
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| 06:35.23 | x_or | I want to get a list of all packages installed on my system, but these methods give me partial data, so I have to manually figure each one out... |
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| 06:36.39 | cahoot | x_or: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
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| 06:38.22 | cahoot | x_or: or better /msg/dpkg reinstall - and apply the relevant part |
| 06:38.26 | x_or | cahoot: Thanks! |
| 06:38.46 | cahoot | x_or: err - skip a slash there |
| 06:38.54 | Lur | which mouse thing should I use for a standard ps2 mouse? |
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| 06:39.43 | liable | Lur: psaux |
| 06:39.48 | Lur | oh! |
| 06:39.49 | Lur | thanks |
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| 06:42.03 | nephlim | is there a command to see all servers i have running? |
| 06:42.04 | Lur | thank yall |
| 06:42.11 | Lur | wouldn't have finished this without ya |
| 06:42.12 | nephlim | there are some that i need to stop |
| 06:42.20 | liable | nephlim: netstat -pantu |
| 06:42.27 | nephlim | thanks :) |
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| 06:44.07 | cyc | has anyone heard of problems with debian + supermicro 1U systems? Are they all debian compatible (stock kernels)? |
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| 06:46.38 | Belboz99 | Hey |
| 06:47.10 | Belboz99 | I need someone to tell me what I should do with this hard drive |
| 06:47.40 | icyfire0573 | donate it? :-) |
| 06:48.03 | cyc | but only if it's without bad sectors :) |
| 06:48.10 | Belboz99 | hang on, putting it on pastebin now |
| 06:48.42 | Belboz99 | http://pastebin.com/304122 |
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| 06:49.06 | Belboz99 | basically, it's not reading the parition table right at all |
| 06:49.32 | icyfire0573 | do you need any data on it, you could always try to fdisk or cfdisk it |
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| 06:49.37 | Belboz99 | I should have a 1GB, 10GB and 69GB partittion |
| 06:49.54 | Belboz99 | yeah, I need the data on it, it was acting as my file server |
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| 06:50.30 | x_or | What is a good tutorial on creating a package for install with apt-get? |
| 06:50.38 | icyfire0573 | thats kind of important then, did you get any disk errors from it before said partition malfunction occured, it looks like the partition table is corrupt or something |
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| 06:51.18 | Belboz99 | icyfire0573: no, no advanced warning of any kind |
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| 06:51.39 | karsten | x_or: Debian New Maintainers Guide. |
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| 06:52.47 | tvn | when I am not in X , my screen blinks when I search for something (i.e in emacs) which is extremely annoying ... how do I get rid of this ? this looks like some framebuffer feature |
| 06:52.49 | jair | guys on debian "ldap" will be the same package "openldap"? |
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| 06:52.58 | Belboz99 | can I just use the -W flag to put the partition table back? |
| 06:53.23 | jair | I am thinking on implement samba as a PDC using LDAP |
| 06:53.27 | bogomolov | drbd + stable 3.1r0a - someone have sucess in compile drbd-module? |
| 06:53.54 | jair | but I did a apt-cache search and I found ldap but not openldap? |
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| 06:55.25 | cbr | was there X10 before X11? |
| 06:56.58 | jair | I am pretty sure that ldap is the same as openldap? |
| 06:57.38 | liable | jair: aptitude shows openldap as not a real package provided by ldap-utils :P |
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| 06:58.18 | liable | jair: so, guess your right. |
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| 06:59.53 | HermanDE | Hey folks.... |
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| 07:00.21 | HermanDE | Hopefully a quick midnight question... How do you determine which modules have actually loaded under Apache2? |
| 07:02.02 | faked | weren't there no updates in unstable the last 2 days? |
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| 07:02.56 | bogomolov | drbd + stable 3.1r0a - someone has sucess in compile drbd-module? |
| 07:03.41 | liable | bogomolov: instead, why not tell us why you dont have success? |
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| 07:08.54 | bogomolov | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.12 | bogomolov | ops |
| 07:09.14 | bogomolov | :) |
| 07:09.44 | karsten | bogomolov: s/ops/oops/ |
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| 07:10.06 | xerophyte | with pppoe is there anyway you can use 2 username, my ISP assigned 2 ips for me, but both ips associates with usernames, so i need to login using both username, is there anyway i can configure the pppoe to use 2 login and create ppp0 and ppp1 |
| 07:10.44 | karsten | xerophyte: Under pppconfig, you can configure multiple "provider" options. Not familiar with pppoe. |
| 07:10.58 | Ox_King | ok, so i installed bnetd onto my debian box, found out it was lookin up versions so i played around with the bnetd.conf file to disable it, i told it to restart, it did a fake restart, i told it to shut down and it did a fake shutdown(i can still attempt to login until i get to the verifying version part). How would i go about shutting bnetd down without rebooting the computer? |
| 07:11.16 | jair | liable, actually I am now confuse |
| 07:11.37 | liable | jair: why's that? |
| 07:12.01 | jair | liable, because if you look for slapd, it will show you that is "openldap server" |
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| 07:12.34 | jair | liable, I don't know which one will be the one I need "slapd" or "ldap" |
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| 07:12.57 | sobersabre | guys... is it better to create say 3 files of 3GB to be 3 swap file or 1 of 9 GB ? |
| 07:13.01 | jair | liable, I am trying to get the requeriments for a samba as a primary domain controller |
| 07:13.35 | sobersabre | jair, so what do you need more, except samba ? |
| 07:13.43 | liable | jair: sorry, know nothing about lapd. |
| 07:14.01 | jair | liable, here is the info about it: http://www.idealx.org/prj/samba/smbldap-howto.en.html |
| 07:14.33 | liable | jair: hehe, I didnt say I wanted to either :P |
| 07:15.31 | jair | sobersabre, I need this: openldap, nss_ldap pam_ldap. "the smbldap-tools I already find it." |
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| 07:19.01 | jair | sobersabre, ? |
| 07:19.28 | bogomolov | Trouble with drbd+debian stable (lets try again...) I get drbd0.7-module-source, drbd0.7-utils and module-assistant. I runing kernel 2.6.8-2-686-smp (with headers and source). When i try to compile the source module, module-assistant return this error: |
| 07:20.00 | bogomolov | debian/rules:12: /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make: No such file or directory # |
| 07:20.00 | bogomolov | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.30 | bogomolov | what i forget to install? |
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| 07:26.14 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 07:27.18 | Omni | does anyone know anything about webmin? |
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| 07:27.54 | Omni | yes/no/maybe? |
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| 07:29.06 | idealbsd | maybe |
| 07:29.47 | j_k | bogomolov: dpatch? |
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| 07:30.12 | j_k | bogomolov: you should apt-get builddep <source package> before building, anyway. |
| 07:30.44 | witless | i'd like to attempt a downgrade from unstable to sarge. could someone recommend a reference? |
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| 07:32.23 | bronaugh | hmm... anyone had experience switching over to shadow passwords from passwords embedded in /etc/passwd? |
| 07:32.30 | bronaugh | is there a non-painful, F-up free way to do it? |
| 07:32.42 | j_k | bronaugh: type 'pwconv', that's all :-) |
| 07:32.55 | bronaugh | ooo :) |
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| 07:34.06 | bronaugh | j_k: beautiful :) thank you very much. |
| 07:34.33 | j_k | bronaugh: now if you were looking for something hard, may I suggest you switch to LDAP+Kerberos ? :-P |
| 07:35.21 | bronaugh | lol :P no. |
| 07:35.33 | bronaugh | this was an install from NFS to NFS |
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| 07:35.52 | bronaugh | a few things went kinda wrong in the process... so no shadow passwords. but it worked so I left it alone. |
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| 07:38.18 | zeroC | test |
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| 07:39.36 | jan78 | anyone cann tell me how to config my networkcard to dhcp |
| 07:39.37 | jan78 | thanks |
| 07:39.49 | j_k | jan78: man interfaces |
| 07:40.47 | j_k | jan78: basically you want to install a dhcp client and add something along the lines of "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to you /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 07:43.20 | jan78 | j_k yeah i forget allways man lol |
| 07:43.23 | jan78 | it helps a lot |
| 07:43.24 | jan78 | hehehe |
| 07:43.27 | jan78 | thanks anyway |
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| 07:56.03 | ecobit | i'm having a ./configure fail with "ld: crtbegin.o: No such file: No such file or directory" where do i find out what to set LDFLAGS to? |
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| 08:09.53 | ColonelKernel | brb |
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| 08:12.27 | GTswagger | Anybody familiar with Skype? I am on a cable modem ( 1.5 Mbit download, ... about 30 KB/s max upload ) talking to somebody else on a cable modem... and the lag is HORRIBLE... and it gets progressively worse, especially in conferences. Is it my connection? |
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| 08:13.42 | sihkzz | GTswagger: Are all the ports open? |
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| 08:15.05 | idealbsd | sihkzz, just one port will ok, which depends on one's setting |
| 08:15.06 | ecobit | that upload speed is crap |
| 08:15.22 | ecobit | that will definitely screw things up |
| 08:15.43 | sihkzz | I'm on 128/128 kbit and it is _ok_ |
| 08:15.47 | ecobit | you need at least 80-120 |
| 08:16.10 | Nethox | 80 KBytes/s? really? |
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| 08:16.28 | GTswagger | sihkzz -- no, I am behind a router |
| 08:16.29 | ecobit | oh he said 30kBps, or 30kbps? 30kbps is terrible |
| 08:16.32 | jan78 | if i change settings in /etc/network/interfaces should i reboot then? |
| 08:16.48 | Nethox | GTswagger: is the line free of D/U when you detect those lags with skype? |
| 08:16.54 | GTswagger | 30 KB/s upload |
| 08:16.56 | ecobit | jan78: why would you do that? |
| 08:16.56 | liable | jan78: no |
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| 08:17.02 | GTswagger | Nethox 0 yes |
| 08:17.21 | GTswagger | B and is BYTE in the KB/s btw |
| 08:17.22 | jan78 | what command should i type then to make i have dhcp |
| 08:17.48 | d03boy | dhcpd? |
| 08:18.03 | ecobit | dhclient |
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| 08:18.17 | liable | jan78: you modified the file didnt you? |
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| 08:18.35 | GTswagger | Here's the official upload line speed: " 256Kbps upstream" |
| 08:18.41 | sihkzz | GTswagger: It could be anything. Has it just started doing this or has it always been a problem? How long have you been playing with it? |
| 08:19.07 | BullWeivel | CD Burning... how can i do this from command line?? i have a directory i want to burn to a CD rom...but have no clue on what to use, or how to do it. ideas??? |
| 08:19.08 | jan78 | yeah but the file have to restart i gues |
| 08:19.17 | liable | jan78: if your interfaces file is right, just ifup eth0 |
| 08:20.10 | jan78 | ok thanks liable |
| 08:20.31 | valdyn | BullWeivel: mkisofs to create an iso, cdrecord to burn it |
| 08:20.33 | liable | jan78: then ifconfig, to see whether it came up. |
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| 08:22.15 | liable | jan78: look at syslog too, to see any dhcp errors or whatever |
| 08:22.18 | bronaugh | anyone else here use epic4+splitfire? |
| 08:22.31 | bronaugh | trying to figure out what the hell key is set up to switch to next window? |
| 08:23.12 | jan78 | liable it works fine my router give me a ip trough my firewall ect :p |
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| 08:23.14 | jan78 | thanks |
| 08:23.17 | tarzeau | !seen bahamian |
| 08:23.18 | dpkg | bahamian <bahamian@24.244.151.5> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7h 56m 24s ago, saying: 'tarzeau: ping'. |
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| 08:24.52 | zamzam | is there a way to install everything on a particular install cd with apt? |
| 08:25.01 | zamzam | or do I have to select individual packages all the time? |
| 08:25.09 | liable | zamzam: why would you want to? |
| 08:25.14 | dondelelcaro | zamzam: you almost definetly do not want to do that. |
| 08:25.25 | dondelelcaro | zamzam: just install what you actually want to use. |
| 08:25.25 | zamzam | lol |
| 08:25.51 | dondelelcaro | zamzam: if you're not sure what that is, use tasksel, which will make a guess for you |
| 08:25.52 | zamzam | I kind of thought "why not just install everything" so I wouldn't have to worry about certain things |
| 08:25.53 | zamzam | lol |
| 08:26.19 | zamzam | but I guess you're right |
| 08:27.17 | valdyn | zamzam: not possible to install everything |
| 08:27.21 | GTswagger | sihkzz -- just started trying skype |
| 08:27.29 | zamzam | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.42 | j_k | zamzam: some packages conflict with each other. |
| 08:27.44 | valdyn | zamzam: packages can and do conflict with others |
| 08:27.48 | zamzam | oh I see |
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| 08:28.27 | j_k | zamzam: not to mention installing every single Debian package will get your system much more bloated than any windows installation :-) |
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| 08:28.32 | zamzam | why are there like 14 install cd's? what's the purpose of that |
| 08:28.55 | valdyn | zamzam: b/c debian has that much software. |
| 08:28.55 | vorlon | j_k: and yet it will use relatively little memory by default ;) |
| 08:28.55 | j_k | zamzam: storing like 15000 packages? |
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| 08:30.16 | zamzam | yeah but if it's going to be "install only what you need" I'm sure most people do that...then all you need is the first install cd and the servers/repositories |
| 08:30.29 | valdyn | zamzam: right. |
| 08:30.36 | sihkzz | GTswagger: Does anything else seem to lag online? |
| 08:30.38 | zamzam | would it be a waste to burn 14 cd's, since the software's always getting updated? or would it not get updated |
| 08:31.20 | valdyn | zamzam: that's up to you, buying 14 debian cds might be convenient for someone on dialup. |
| 08:31.36 | valdyn | zamzam: debian/sarge won't change that much. |
| 08:31.37 | zamzam | lol |
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| 08:31.57 | zamzam | valdyn: really, yeah sorry I'm not too familiar with much of this...how long do you think this os will last until another stable version? |
| 08:32.09 | j_k | zamzam: that only god knows. |
| 08:32.21 | j_k | zamzam: actually, i'm not sure even god knows. |
| 08:32.24 | vorlon | zamzam: I don't know anyone who burns the complete set all at once, unless they're planning to ship it somewhere or take it with them somewhere. |
| 08:32.30 | zamzam | j_k: no..God knows everything |
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| 08:32.41 | zamzam | vorlon: uh oh |
| 08:32.41 | zamzam | lol |
| 08:32.54 | valdyn | and there's dvds which you only need 2 of to have all packages... |
| 08:33.02 | j_k | zamzam: well, and I thought it played dice... |
| 08:33.24 | vorlon | right, but you still have to download the 2 DVDs'-worth of data, which can still be a pain. :) |
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| 08:34.32 | zamzam | would there be a point to still have 3.0 r2? |
| 08:34.39 | zamzam | or use it |
| 08:34.44 | vorlon | not for a new install. |
| 08:34.49 | ColonelKernel | hwo do I limit the number of connections with bittorrent? |
| 08:35.02 | ColonelKernel | thing just keeps killing my cable modem |
| 08:35.39 | valdyn | ColonelKernel: why do you think a modem knows anything about number of connections? |
| 08:35.52 | valdyn | ColonelKernel: is it a router? |
| 08:35.53 | k-man | if one wanted to develop an app that could be run under windows and linux, using an Open source development tool |
| 08:36.02 | JohnnyST | ColonelKernel, you can do the with azureus |
| 08:36.04 | k-man | what tool could one use? |
| 08:36.22 | Ick | quick question: i use a touchpad mouse, and it recently stopped working |
| 08:36.25 | Ick | a couple minutes ago |
| 08:36.33 | Ick | i haven't done a thing to any config files |
| 08:36.44 | Ick | i tried disconnecting and reconnecting it |
| 08:36.46 | ColonelKernel | valdyn, no its not the router - the cable modem itself poops out with filesharing if I dont limit the number of connections |
| 08:36.48 | Ick | but that didn't help |
| 08:37.11 | ColonelKernel | JohnnyST, looking to avoid using gui if possible |
| 08:37.13 | j_k | k-man: one would use a toolkit and librariries available on both plateforms, and mingw32 to compile one's code for windows. |
| 08:37.25 | valdyn | k-man: what has the tool you develop with to do with cross platform *application* ? |
| 08:37.31 | liable | Ick: look in ~/.Xsessionerrors, restartx |
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| 08:37.39 | kjparker | hi |
| 08:37.50 | k-man | valdyn, i'm trying to choose the tool |
| 08:37.51 | kjparker | how do i know what user a process is running under?\ |
| 08:38.03 | k-man | j_k, so your suggesting C? |
| 08:38.15 | Ick | liable: holy crap, taht's a huge file |
| 08:38.19 | valdyn | k-man: so? your tool has nothing to do with it. your libraries you link against do, or your choice of language. |
| 08:38.19 | kjparker | for example i need to know the effective user that squid is running under. I have not set the effective user parameter |
| 08:38.29 | Langly1 | Could someone do me a small favor, dcc me a sources.list file as it exist in sarge |
| 08:38.30 | j_k | k-man: well, I'm suggesting C for everything... |
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| 08:38.53 | kjparker | Langly1, run apt-setup, it will build one for you |
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| 08:39.44 | k-man | valdyn, when i said tool, i was encompasing language choice in that word |
| 08:40.11 | Ick | what's the command in vi to go to the end of a file? |
| 08:40.14 | JohnnyST | ColonelKernel, then you can use the quality of service in the kernel plus the user space tool "tc". |
| 08:40.24 | Langly1 | kjparker no, mine works for my current setup, and apt-get update and such, but one thing im trying to set up works other than complaining about a malformed line, thats why i ask |
| 08:40.32 | j_k | k-man: that depends more on what kind of stuff you're going to develop than what plateforms you want it to run on. |
| 08:40.36 | Langly1 | and there are other reasons im not getting into |
| 08:40.45 | Langly1 | i just need a proper new sources.list file |
| 08:40.46 | valdyn | k-man: C requires attention/extra effort to be cross platform, java should require about none, python,ruby,perl etc require you to use only libraries that exist on both platforms. All of these also permit you to make your app non-portable. |
| 08:40.54 | ColonelKernel | how is that going to limit the number of connections it makes, im looking for a command line option for bittorrent |
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| 08:41.32 | JohnnyST | ColonelKernel: It can limit the bandwith used. |
| 08:42.11 | ColonelKernel | JohnnyST, I can do that with a command line option in bittorrent , thanks. im looking to limit the number of connections. |
| 08:43.00 | valdyn | k-man: many gui toolkits exist for both platforms ( gtk,qt,wxwindows.. whatever ) |
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| 08:44.33 | cast | ive asked in here before, but i thought id give it another try. anyone know why my usb scanner that works fine under linux isnt so much as seen by lsusb or anything else? |
| 08:45.10 | Langly1 | anyone? |
| 08:45.16 | valdyn | cast: does it work or not? |
| 08:45.55 | valdyn | Langly1: run apt-setup ? |
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| 08:46.22 | cast | valdyn: not to be sounding rude, but if its not seen by anything how can it work? and why would i be seeking help regarding it? |
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| 08:46.43 | k-man | valdyn, yeah oh... so is there a list of features/benefits of those various toolkits around to help me select one? |
| 08:46.53 | valdyn | cast: how can it not be seen if "it works under linux" - that is what confused. |
| 08:47.02 | cast | ahh, my bad. |
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| 08:47.27 | cast | it works under linux, but not debian. |
| 08:47.44 | valdyn | k-man: sure, try google. i cant recommend you b/c i dont even know what you want to do and beside that i only ever used gtk. |
| 08:48.11 | valdyn | cast: are you using a debian kernel? which one? |
| 08:48.33 | cast | no, custom. 2.6.12 |
| 08:48.41 | cast | thats a good idea though, try a stock kernel |
| 08:49.01 | valdyn | cast: try a stock kernel, debugging your own config goes to far... |
| 08:49.32 | valdyn | cast: and you likely want to have 'hotplug' installed |
| 08:50.28 | valdyn | cast: with hotplug installed and a debian kernel, 'dmesg' should react on unplugging or plugging in your scanner. |
| 08:50.43 | cast | alrighty |
| 08:50.51 | cast | ill give it a go |
| 08:51.28 | valdyn | cast: s/debian kernel/debian 2.6.x kernel/ |
| 08:51.44 | GTswagger | sihkzz -- nope |
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| 08:57.13 | kjparker | is there any way i can setup grub to boot into my windows drive? ie, i have two harddisks in my computer. the primary drive is debian, the secondary drive is windows. I want to be able to boot into windows without having to resort to re-plugging! :) |
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| 08:58.36 | kjparker | th drive, if it is the ony one in the system, is bootable |
| 08:58.43 | valdyn | kjparker: there should be an example entry to boot windows in /boot/grub/menu.lst, just commented out by # |
| 08:58.56 | kjparker | ok, will check it our |
| 08:58.58 | kjparker | ok, will check it out |
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| 08:59.18 | zamzam | what do you all think of gentoo? why debian over gentoo? |
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| 08:59.37 | joris | zamzam: that's more of a religious discussion |
| 08:59.37 | drac | zamzam: Taking a poll? |
| 08:59.42 | xcvv | Good morning. I am looking for a 3.1roa AMD64 iso. Do they actually exist? |
| 08:59.47 | zamzam | haha |
| 08:59.49 | zamzam | I'm sorry |
| 08:59.52 | zamzam | I just had to ask |
| 08:59.52 | valdyn | zamzam: /msg dpkg gentoo |
| 09:00.11 | joris | zamzam: I like debian's ease of maintenance, it serves very well as a tool for my means |
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| 09:00.52 | xcvv | I have checked many mirrors with no luck |
| 09:00.52 | zamzam | joris: that's cool :) |
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| 09:01.09 | kjparker | !gentoosmite zamzam |
| 09:01.15 | valdyn | xcvv: its not official so also not on debian mirrors, check amd64.debian.net |
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| 09:01.22 | cast | well, it worked |
| 09:01.23 | kjparker | :) |
| 09:01.32 | xcvv | valdyn, oh thank you! |
| 09:03.02 | xcvv | valdyn, have you tried debian on amd64? |
| 09:03.27 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 09:03.27 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html official now, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 09:05.03 | ColonelKernel | which is used more in the job field - debian or RHEL? |
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| 09:05.35 | sigh | LFS |
| 09:06.00 | valdyn | xcvv: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/ |
| 09:06.26 | valdyn | xcvv: im running it |
| 09:06.37 | xcvv | ok, I'll give it a shot |
| 09:06.40 | xcvv | thanks for the help! |
| 09:06.41 | xcvv | bye |
| 09:07.01 | xcvv | I just need binary1 correct? same as i386? |
| 09:07.06 | Nethox | valdyn: what are the main problems? driver support? |
| 09:07.32 | valdyn | Nethox: not really, unless you need stuff like 'ndiswrapper' |
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| 09:08.29 | valdyn | Nethox: it works fine, few applications are not 64-bit ready however, like openoffice, requiring a 32-bit chroot or similar. |
| 09:08.59 | joris | openoffice is a showstopper for a lot of people howev"er |
| 09:09.05 | Nethox | valdyn: ok, is there some driver emulation support or something? |
| 09:09.17 | drac | but can OO be compiled to 64bit binary? or debian just doesn't have those packages? |
| 09:09.22 | valdyn | Nethox: why would that be needed? |
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| 09:09.39 | valdyn | drac: it cannot |
| 09:09.43 | drac | ok |
| 09:09.48 | Nethox | valdyn: for drivers only for 32bits? |
| 09:10.08 | valdyn | Nethox: you cannot use 32-bit only drivers on amd64 |
| 09:10.12 | joris | drac: oo.org2 is supposed to work |
| 09:10.34 | Nethox | valdyn: ok, that was what i wanted to know :) |
| 09:10.49 | drac | joris: nice, and it should be available as beta version allready (afaik) |
| 09:11.04 | streuner | dpkg, amd64 =~ s/ official now/ ,not official yet/ |
| 09:11.05 | dpkg | OK, streuner |
| 09:11.08 | valdyn | Nethox: all there is on 'emulation' is 32-bit system calls so you can run 32-bit software. |
| 09:11.15 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 09:11.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html ,not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 09:12.40 | valdyn | dpkg, amd64 =~ s/ ,not official yet/, not official yet/ |
| 09:12.41 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
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| 09:13.21 | monkeynuts | hi |
| 09:13.51 | valdyn | dpkg, amd64 =~ s/ , not official yet/, not official yet/ |
| 09:13.51 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
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| 09:14.04 | tarzeau | good morning debian |
| 09:14.12 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:14.13 | dpkg | < RichiH> stable is for masochist fetishists with serverphobia ;) |
| 09:14.17 | monkeynuts | im having a problem where apps are taking along time to start or in some cases no starting at all in my desktop, my home space is in a NFS filestyle, could this be the problem? |
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| 09:14.33 | tarzeau | monkeynuts: i don't think so, we also have nfs homes |
| 09:14.33 | streuner | haha |
| 09:14.37 | cprogrammer52 | Hello everyone |
| 09:14.38 | tarzeau | monkeynuts: what apps are that? |
| 09:14.48 | XTF | Hi. Why are there no package updates in unstable the last few days? |
| 09:15.05 | cprogrammer52 | Just popping in to say hi at 4 in the morning |
| 09:15.06 | streuner | XTF: there aren't any |
| 09:15.08 | tarzeau | XTF: c++ abi rape |
| 09:15.11 | monkeynuts | tarzeau: konqueror, sirc, noatrun |
| 09:15.38 | valdyn | XTF: there are again now. Some servers had to find a new location ( or maybe still have to ). |
| 09:15.47 | karsten | monkeynuts: Networked startups might be an issue. What's your network traffic like? Profile your system for disk use, memory, swap, CPU, and network traffic. |
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| 09:16.10 | XTF | And what's the difference between business card and network ISOs (besides size)? |
| 09:16.25 | monkeynuts | karsten: negligible on traffic |
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| 09:17.02 | karsten | XTF: Prolly drivers. The BBC netinst disks are only 50 MB, a full netinst is ~120 MB. |
| 09:17.24 | karsten | monkeynuts: What's load like on the NFS server? Any contention? |
| 09:17.29 | monkeynuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.37 | karsten | monkeynuts: ...can you time raw data transfer? |
| 09:17.44 | Nethox | Can anynone tell me a simple CPU benchmark utility? Its for testing the performance of qemu and the qmeu-accelerator |
| 09:17.44 | monkeynuts | karsten: there's only one user, myself |
| 09:18.05 | karsten | monkeynuts: Does performance vary by time of day? |
| 09:18.13 | tarzeau | monkeynuts: kde stuff? soudn stuff? |
| 09:18.16 | sigh | Nethox, gcc or N! program |
| 09:18.37 | karsten | monkeynuts: Linux is a multi-processing system. There can be a boatload of system processes running, particularly when cron.daily / .weekly / .monthly runs. |
| 09:18.44 | sigh | Nethox, $time calc 10000000! |
| 09:18.45 | monkeynuts | karsten: i think its just a problem on my laptop, if i go to workstation thats fine |
| 09:19.04 | monkeynuts | karsten: even konsole wont start |
| 09:19.16 | karsten | monkeynuts: Wired or WiFi? |
| 09:19.21 | monkeynuts | wired |
| 09:19.37 | karsten | monkeynuts: Hubbed or switched? |
| 09:19.43 | j_k | monkeynuts: is your NFS okay all the time? |
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| 09:20.07 | monkeynuts | karsten: seems to be perfect on workstation |
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| 09:20.34 | tarzeau | monkeynuts: your dns? |
| 09:20.43 | j_k | monkeynuts: when it's is down, any access will get stalled until it comes back under the default mount options. |
| 09:20.46 | sigh | karsten, windoz too |
| 09:20.47 | monkeynuts | tarzeau: fine too |
| 09:21.01 | j_k | monkeynuts: which might explain some of the things you experience. |
| 09:21.06 | monkeynuts | j_k: ahh that could explain it, it may be crashin |
| 09:21.11 | monkeynuts | yes |
| 09:21.29 | karsten | monkeynuts: Ah. So you've got two boxen there, both with NFS-mounted /usr, or something like that? |
| 09:21.32 | karsten | sigh: ?? |
| 09:21.42 | monkeynuts | karsten: yes thats right |
| 09:21.55 | monkeynuts | same user and shared NFS home/user |
| 09:22.00 | sigh | multi-processing |
| 09:22.01 | karsten | monkeynuts: IP contention? |
| 09:22.11 | monkeynuts | dont think so |
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| 09:22.25 | karsten | monkeynuts: Confirm that you're getting roughly equivalent data transfer rates from teh desktop and the laptop. |
| 09:22.25 | monkeynuts | could be tho |
| 09:22.30 | karsten | monkeynuts: netcat's useful for tat. |
| 09:22.35 | karsten | s/tat/that/ |
| 09:22.40 | monkeynuts | thanks :) |
| 09:23.26 | j_k | monkeynuts: try dmesg on the client, NFS server failures get reported here |
| 09:24.12 | Langly1 | E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (list) |
| 09:24.12 | Langly1 | E: The list of sources could not be read. |
| 09:24.19 | Langly1 | But apt-get install works |
| 09:24.36 | Langly1 | but setting up a package install is failing when it reads it |
| 09:24.39 | Langly1 | any ideas? |
| 09:24.49 | j_k | Langly1: would you tell us about that line 1 ? |
| 09:25.09 | tarzeau | jethro, abrotman, up for some bubblin' action? |
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| 09:25.26 | jethro | tarzeau: I'm not fully awaken yet :) |
| 09:25.27 | Langly1 | hang on |
| 09:25.41 | Langly1 | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 09:25.42 | tarzeau | jethro: i'll let some huge diamonds fall on your head |
| 09:25.46 | tarzeau | jethro: that'll get you awake |
| 09:25.49 | Langly1 | just the default |
| 09:25.52 | jethro | tarzeau: hah |
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| 09:27.22 | dondelelcaro | Langly1: is that the entire contents of sources.list? |
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| 09:27.35 | Langly1 | no |
| 09:27.37 | boukensya | hey guys. A while ago I made a mountable ext3 filesystem via one file.. using mkfs.. I forgot how to do it so I was wondering if you guys knew? I want it to be 3gb |
| 09:27.38 | Langly1 | just line 1 |
| 09:27.39 | dondelelcaro | Langly1: apt-get install will work if sources.list was ever correct enough to do an apt-get update; |
| 09:27.49 | Langly1 | ive got it at the default atm |
| 09:27.50 | dondelelcaro | Langly1: use the paster bot to paste the entire contents. |
| 09:27.57 | dondelelcaro | Langly1: there is no default for sources.list |
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| 09:28.41 | dondelelcaro | boukensya: mkfs.ext3 will use all of the available space on a partition to make a filesystem |
| 09:28.42 | Langly1 | ive got it as shown under We usually find the following in the default Debian sources.list: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-sources.list |
| 09:28.47 | Langly1 | thats how ive got it atm |
| 09:28.59 | Langly1 | but i removed the 3 # commented lines |
| 09:29.07 | Langly1 | just to get rid of that possiblility |
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| 09:29.16 | dondelelcaro | Langly1: just use the paster bot to paste the entire contents of the file. |
| 09:29.29 | streuner | !paste |
| 09:29.30 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 09:29.45 | Langly1 | cant atm, ive got something running though, bbl |
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| 09:29.53 | ledet | ok atm |
| 09:30.04 | dondelelcaro | what does that have to do with anything? |
| 09:30.30 | boukensya | dondelelcaro: so what would I need to type in for it? |
| 09:30.33 | ledet | dondelelcaro: everything atm :) |
| 09:30.50 | sigh | atm font? |
| 09:30.51 | dondelelcaro | boukensya: mkfs.ext3 /dev/foopartition; |
| 09:30.52 | itom | there is any debian developer connected now? |
| 09:30.56 | dondelelcaro | itom: just ask your question |
| 09:30.59 | j_k | boukensya: what do you mean, "via one file"? |
| 09:31.09 | itom | nono not question.. but "Thanks" |
| 09:31.12 | sigh | a long long story in it about m$ |
| 09:31.24 | dondelelcaro | itom: oh. You're welcome. |
| 09:31.32 | boukensya | like it basically makes a fake partition that is a file, via you can mount it and unmount it, and it is stored as a file |
| 09:31.42 | itom | the installer of sarge is very easy and I've not question because all work fine |
| 09:31.42 | boukensya | it uses loop from memory |
| 09:31.44 | dondelelcaro | (but there are > 2000 people responsible) |
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| 09:32.11 | sigh | 2000^2000 |
| 09:32.30 | liable | dondelelcaro: could you please +q sigh, he/she/it has been dribbling nonsense all day long. (after being asked many times to stop) |
| 09:32.38 | dondelelcaro | boukensya: oh; just use dd or similar to make the file, then mkfs.ext3 foofile; to initalize the filesystem, and mount -o loop foofile /mnt/temp; and be done with it. |
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| 09:33.03 | boukensya | dondelelcaro: how do I make the file via dd? |
| 09:33.17 | dondelelcaro | dd if=/dev/zero of=foofile count=filesize; man dd; |
| 09:33.32 | dondelelcaro | (you can also do it using head or similar) |
| 09:33.32 | concept10 | I need to add Windows to the GRUB menu, what is the root for /dev/hdb1 ?? |
| 09:33.35 | AP | can anyone please show me the output of which update-rc.d ? |
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| 09:33.59 | dondelelcaro | AP: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
| 09:34.03 | dondelelcaro | !tell AP -about search |
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| 09:34.43 | dondelelcaro | (unless /usr/sbin is in PATH, it'll typically return echo -n) |
| 09:34.47 | dondelelcaro | s/-n// |
| 09:35.21 | paulswm | btw, in case he hasn't told you, Langly1 is asking questions about a non-debian system (time EDT): Jun 25 09:41:06 <Langly1> thing is i need to use apt-get I cant do a compile, or glic setup, this isnt on a pure debian system, on a damnsmalllinux system, although the correct syntax for the apt-get would remain the same, damnsmall doenst have a /usr/src path |
| 09:35.43 | AP | ok tnx |
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| 09:35.46 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: oo, exciting |
| 09:35.46 | paulswm | Anyway, sorry that line was so long. |
| 09:36.30 | boukensya | dondelelcaro: seems to be working thanks (: |
| 09:36.36 | dondelelcaro | boukensya: cool |
| 09:36.42 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: I noticed he said something about not getting into reasons, so I thought I'd help you not waste your time |
| 09:36.42 | concept10 | Could someone help with grub, please? |
| 09:37.04 | j_k | concept10: sorry, but your question doesn't make much sense. Maybe try to reformulate? |
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| 09:37.26 | dondelelcaro | concept10: should be something like hd:1,0; but I forget the exact format. |
| 09:37.26 | valdyn | boukensya: hmm? what do you want to do? |
| 09:37.30 | Nethox | I am using udev, If I create a new device now, will it remain there in the next reboot? |
| 09:37.42 | valdyn | boukensya: ops nvm. |
| 09:37.45 | j_k | concept10: okay, that's (hd1,0) |
| 09:37.49 | boukensya | valdyn: just making 1 file that is ext3 that can be mounted |
| 09:38.04 | concept10 | I need to add Windows to GRUB. Debian boots from (hd0,0) which is hda1 what is the format for hdb1? |
| 09:38.15 | concept10 | hd1,0 |
| 09:38.21 | concept10 | lemme try |
| 09:38.25 | concept10 | thanks |
| 09:38.34 | j_k | concept10: keep the brackets |
| 09:38.42 | j_k | concept10: or that won't work. |
| 09:38.49 | valdyn | concept10: (hd1,0) |
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| 09:41.04 | OldakQuill | What is the name of ncftpget on apt-get? |
| 09:41.38 | liable | OldakQuill: use apt-cache search |
| 09:41.39 | boukensya | ncftp |
| 09:41.44 | boukensya | ncftp has ncftpget |
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| 09:42.00 | boukensya | might want to try ncftp2 or something too |
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| 09:42.26 | ColonelKernel | what version of gnome is centos using ? |
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| 09:42.46 | liable | wtf is centos? |
| 09:42.57 | drac | !centos |
| 09:42.58 | dpkg | centos is probably a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos |
| 09:43.06 | liable | oooh |
| 09:43.20 | findme | is red crap gettin' any better? |
| 09:44.17 | ColonelKernel | doh |
| 09:44.18 | ColonelKernel | sorry |
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| 09:44.47 | ColonelKernel | just looking to use something a little job-market friendlier on the spare computer |
| 09:44.55 | HeavenWarrior | Where to put opl3sa2 module to be started, i don't wanna everytime i reboot my pc to run 'modprobe opl3sa2' in terminal |
| 09:45.04 | concept10 | I hate that grub uses that different format |
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| 09:45.09 | liable | /etc/modules |
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| 09:45.52 | liable | concept10: its not really that difficult once you know. |
| 09:46.26 | concept10 | liable, I understand that, but why change the format? |
| 09:46.44 | liable | concept10: why change anything :P |
| 09:46.59 | HeavenWarrior | liable, was '/etc/modules' for me? |
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| 09:47.05 | liable | HeavenWarrior: yes |
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| 09:47.17 | j_k | concept10: there'd have been no way of ensuring names would refefer to the same disks under both grub and linux anyway. |
| 09:47.26 | HeavenWarrior | liable, 10x |
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| 09:48.48 | concept10 | okay, GRUB says filesystem unknown, any ideas |
| 09:49.02 | qwertz_ | Hi! Trying to get a working apache2 with php4 as module and php5 as cgi. Having problems to change the apache default config - so has anybody a working default for php4 mod and ph5 cgi where I could take a look? |
| 09:49.27 | liable | concept10: paste your grub menu somewhere. |
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| 09:49.34 | j_k | concept10: use the chainloader command instead of whatever you came up with :-) |
| 09:49.38 | dondelelcaro | qwertz_: how do you plan on differentiating between the two? |
| 09:49.50 | liable | j_k: heh |
| 09:50.03 | j_k | concept10: specifically, 'chainloader (hd1,0)+1', I think. |
| 09:50.06 | dondelelcaro | qwertz_: figure out that first, then set change the handler for php files to the appropriate handler. |
| 09:50.16 | j_k | concept10: try 'help chainloader' as well. |
| 09:50.41 | liable | concept10: there should be an example in the file thats commented out |
| 09:51.36 | concept10 | dammit, wat happened to grubs 'automagic' windows detection during install? |
| 09:51.47 | HeavenWarrior | i've upgrade to unstable, so now i'm not supposed to use gdesklets, am i? |
| 09:51.53 | concept10 | i think the chainloader part might be the problem |
| 09:52.01 | j_k | concept10: that's d-i's "automagic", actually. |
| 09:52.18 | streuner | HeavenWarrior: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 09:52.46 | liable | HeavenWarrior: why oh why are you using sid? |
| 09:53.32 | HeavenWarrior | liable, to this question i answer for a hundred time may be - i use it for gnome 2.10 |
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| 09:53.59 | liable | bad reason |
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| 09:55.30 | eps | I have an ac97 onboard (nforce) sound card using the snd-intel8x0 drivers and the mic isn't working - firstly does any one know why this is and secondly where is the mic device ment to be in /dev/ (I always thought /dev/dsp1 but I only have /dev/dsp) |
| 09:56.10 | j_k | eps: /dev/dsp serves both purposes (playback and recording). Did you check your mixer settings yet? |
| 09:56.16 | HeavenWarrior | liable, i've experienced only problems with gdesklets of cause of libgtop2-2 for that time |
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| 09:56.35 | liable | HeavenWarrior: ok. |
| 09:56.58 | eps | j_k yes it was muted in alsamixer and I unmuted it and gave it some volume but it still doesn't record - I'm testing using gnome-sound-recorder |
| 09:57.02 | psychodead | fatal__: Error inserting tun (/lib/modules/2.6.11/kernel/drivers/net/tun.ko): Device or resource busy <- whats going on there? i just compiled the module and now want to use it.. |
| 09:57.17 | RedPenguin | Is there a way to tell if a certain file is in a .deb? I've been trying to install webmin, but for some reason, everytime I install it now, it's not creating /etc/init.d/webmin |
| 09:57.29 | j_k | eps: did you check for input selection? |
| 09:57.42 | eps | j_k I don't know what that is |
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| 09:57.47 | j_k | eps: as well as a "record master volume" or something? |
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| 09:57.58 | eps | looking now |
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| 09:58.20 | j_k | eps: your mixer app should allow you to choose which source(s) to use for recording, as well as setting their volumes. |
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| 09:58.32 | eps | j_k I see |
| 09:58.33 | JW | I know it is no official server but can anyone tell me whats happening with ftp.nerim.net? |
| 09:58.41 | boukensya | how do I make it where a user can mount loops please? |
| 09:59.02 | JW | boukensya: in fstab? |
| 09:59.13 | eps | j_k I think I found the problem, mic is set for playback not capture |
| 09:59.13 | liable | JW: its down apparently, wait a while I guess. |
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| 09:59.31 | boukensya | naugh.. like mount an iso via -o loop |
| 09:59.34 | JW | thats what I figured liable, thanks :-P |
| 09:59.38 | boukensya | its restricted to root only |
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| 10:00.13 | JW | that too can be set in fstab |
| 10:00.15 | j_k | boukensya: until you add an entry for it in /etc/fstab. |
| 10:00.25 | boukensya | ok |
| 10:00.31 | boukensya | cheers |
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| 10:00.47 | JW | but you must specify the specific ISO as well IRC |
| 10:00.55 | JW | s/IRC/IIRC |
| 10:01.03 | renegad3 | hi guys, im accessing a data dvd with windows applications on it (exe). what im trying to do is copy the contents of it to my home dir. I am getting buffer I/O errors. does anyone know what the cause of that would be? |
| 10:01.59 | concept10 | I think its something wrong with the partition, thats why its not booting. I copied my working systems menu.lst verbatim, could D-I damage a partition during install? |
| 10:02.21 | eps | renegad3 I normally get those when I'm copying game cd's that have been damaged |
| 10:02.28 | eps | though not sure if that applies to dvd's |
| 10:02.38 | j_k | concept10: it being on a different hard disk may not help. |
| 10:03.03 | j_k | concept10: have you changed the ordering of disks or something lately? |
| 10:03.19 | renegad3 | eps, so you think the dvd is damaged then? |
| 10:03.41 | j_k | concept10: and have you tried making the BIOS boot off hdb if that's possible with yours? |
| 10:03.44 | psychodead | Error inserting tun (/lib/modules/2.6.11/kernel/drivers/net/tun.ko): Device or resource busy <- whats going on there? i just compiled the module and now want to use it.. |
| 10:03.51 | concept10 | j_k, nope, its been the same since install, basically 2 harddisks, windows on one, debian on the other |
| 10:03.59 | concept10 | j_k, I will tryy that now |
| 10:04.37 | concept10 | im about to turn in my part-time geek card, after 20 years of messing with computers, im sick |
| 10:04.47 | liable | concept10: can you paste the file? |
| 10:05.05 | eps | renegad3 as a bad guess yes :| |
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| 10:05.15 | concept10 | liable, rebooting now |
| 10:05.41 | renegad3 | eps, thanx |
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| 10:07.38 | bluefox83 | are there any good games available in apt? |
| 10:07.54 | j_k | bluefox83: apt-get moo, that's all. |
| 10:07.58 | bluefox83 | lol |
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| 10:08.09 | j_k | bluefox83: but there are games available in Debian, if that's what you meant. |
| 10:08.09 | bluefox83 | i just noticed scorched earth in apt :D |
| 10:08.13 | pirre | bluefox83: apt-get install nethack |
| 10:08.14 | liable | neverball, tuxracer |
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| 10:08.26 | bluefox83 | i don't like nethack |
| 10:08.31 | idealbsd | bluefox83, fillets-ng |
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| 10:08.38 | pirre | bluefox83: because you die all the time? :) |
| 10:08.53 | j_k | bluefox83: don't hit the blue 'e'. |
| 10:09.05 | bluefox83 | i die all the time in every game i play :P |
| 10:09.35 | j_k | bluefox83: you know, 999 nethack games out of 1000 finish that way :-) |
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| 10:11.57 | concept10 | okay, I switched BIOS to boot from the other drive, it says NTLDR is missing, oh well I guess the installer got me this time |
| 10:12.19 | concept10 | thanks for the help |
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| 10:12.38 | paulswm | Just thought I'd mention that removing devfs without replacing it with udev is a big pain, like removing crabs with bleach and a wire brush. |
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| 10:13.51 | liable | hahahaha |
| 10:14.43 | paulswm | liable: And after I'd got it all removed and working, I decided to try out udev anyway :P |
| 10:14.59 | j_k | concept10: maybe it's just not finding it because of the BIOS remapping the drives? |
| 10:15.33 | liable | paulswm: :P |
| 10:15.33 | j_k | concept10: now, I don't know much about windows' boot sequence, apart from it being quite fragile. |
| 10:16.02 | rikva | Is there some tool that can shut down your system if you push the ATX powerbutton on your pc? |
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| 10:16.13 | liable | concept10: eww, sounds not good, got the windows cd? |
| 10:16.28 | raf256 | ok, Ive installed selinux... is there some GOOD tutrial for it? |
| 10:16.31 | concept10 | j_k, okay, I figured out what happened. I had to think about this |
| 10:16.49 | paulswm | liable: There's no howto on that, and there should be, so maybe I should write something. Asked in here without response also. |
| 10:17.21 | liable | paulswm: by all means do it, the more the better I say. |
| 10:18.16 | concept10 | This computer originally had Win98se only. I added another HD and installed XP on the new hard drive. The boot loader remainded on the drive with 98se on it. Thats the drive that I installed debian on, hence no boot loader for NT found by installer because I erased during install |
| 10:18.29 | liable | paulswm: there seems to be a lack of info on udev in general. |
| 10:18.38 | paulswm | raf256: did you also install selinux-doc? |
| 10:19.13 | raf256 | paulswm: hmm yes... but I ment a realy *good* and neat tutorial, best - a HTML (or PDF) with some screenshots, code fragmetns, and so on |
| 10:19.17 | paulswm | liable: I mean on removing devfs *without* replacing it with udev. Switching from devfs to udev should actually be very easy. |
| 10:19.21 | j_k | concept10: hey, well done if you ask me :-) |
| 10:19.36 | eps | j_k working great thanks man :) |
| 10:19.53 | liable | paulswm: yes, but I was merely pointing that out. |
| 10:20.30 | paulswm | liable: Yes, I know, sorry. You're right, there isn't much and I've done a lot of googling, took me hours. |
| 10:20.31 | liable | concept10: cant you just use fixmbr from the xp cd? |
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| 10:21.00 | liable | paulswm: sounds like fun :P |
| 10:21.25 | concept10 | liable, lemme try |
| 10:21.31 | Nigel | is it possible to get apt to download some amd64 debs (i know its not official yet & i have the links) so i can create a small amd64 mirror (via apt-move) in preperation for the AMD64 box i'm getting |
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| 10:22.19 | Fabs | How can I configure ATI radeon 9700 1280x800?? |
| 10:22.35 | liable | concept10: or maybe best to ask on a windows channel :) |
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| 10:23.04 | liable | Fabs: just the resolution? |
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| 10:23.19 | concept10 | liable, those exist? :) |
| 10:23.24 | eeg3 | how do you send all files recursively with ftp? |
| 10:23.33 | liable | concept10: dunno :P |
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| 10:23.49 | liable | concept10: I bet there busy if they do though :P |
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| 10:24.09 | concept10 | liable, spyware questions :| |
| 10:24.15 | liable | heh |
| 10:24.16 | Fabs | yes, I cannot set the resolution to 1280x800... |
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| 10:24.57 | jshriver | Anyone know of a program that let's you map joystick keys to keyboard keys? |
| 10:24.57 | liable | Fabs: if dpkg-reconfigure wont do it, you will have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 10:25.02 | jshriver | for apps that can't use /dev/joystick |
| 10:25.21 | cjf-sk | anyone ever get the urge to wipe out everything from their computers and try and write an os, assembler/linker/compiler, database, and a bunch of other things from complete scratch despite having only the slightest clue how to do so? |
| 10:25.32 | concept10 | cjf-sk, nope |
| 10:25.34 | liable | shit no :) |
| 10:25.54 | cjf-sk | maybe just me |
| 10:25.57 | cjf-sk | ;) |
| 10:25.57 | MobyTurbo | cjf-sk: writing programs without the slightest clue is a Bad Thing |
| 10:26.01 | kjparker | why would you... |
| 10:26.10 | concept10 | cjf-sk, linus ambitions have you ? |
| 10:26.27 | cjf-sk | you think so MobyTurbo? I've always found it's the only way I learn |
| 10:26.51 | concept10 | You must have been reading what Linus did, he actually did something like that |
| 10:27.00 | MobyTurbo | cjf-sk: well, it may work for trivial programs, but not so well for writing an entire OS and compiler suite. |
| 10:27.26 | cjf-sk | maybe I should create my own instruction set too... |
| 10:27.29 | MobyTurbo | concept10: he did have an idea of what he was writing, he was well aware of POSIX specs |
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| 10:27.48 | concept10 | cjf-sk, you could start by writing an small embedded OS |
| 10:28.05 | jshriver | concept10: that's not to hard depending on the specs ;) |
| 10:28.19 | jshriver | I can write a hello world boot system in a couple lines hehe |
| 10:28.20 | kjparker | ok, this is probably a stupid question, but if I need to have squid compiled with certain comile time options, how would I go about obtaining the debianized sources? |
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| 10:28.36 | concept10 | MobyTurbo, maybe - but the point was that he got fustrated and wiped his disk and started writing the kernel. I read that somewhere |
| 10:29.04 | cjf-sk | yeah, I keep thinking I should do it, but then I chicken out, find some nice little programming language and think it's my savior |
| 10:29.26 | cjf-sk | then I tire of looking up others arbitrary specifications, and the whole cycle repeats |
| 10:29.31 | fabio | sorry, my IRC client crashed...how can I set my resolution to 1280x800? Do I need ATI drivers? thanks |
| 10:29.33 | dondelelcaro | kjparker: apt-get source squid; make changes, then fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 10:29.35 | MobyTurbo | concept10: I have his autobiography "Just for Fun" and it doesn't mention quite that. |
| 10:29.42 | concept10 | cjf-sk, ive been dicking around with this embedded OS that controls my car's mp3 player |
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| 10:30.13 | concept10 | MobyTurbo, its the truth, please dont make me find the link |
| 10:30.27 | MobyTurbo | concept10: I'd like to see the link |
| 10:30.32 | liable | haha |
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| 10:32.00 | concept10 | MobyTurbo, http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/software/2005/0506241106.asp?S=Open%20Source&A=LIN&O=FRGN |
| 10:32.51 | fabio | How can I set the monitor resolution to 1280x800?? |
| 10:33.37 | fabio | Do I need ATI drivers? |
| 10:33.38 | MobyTurbo | concept10: nowhere does that link say that, it's about 3rd world Linux-based education |
| 10:34.01 | concept10 | MobyTurbo, LOL |
| 10:34.16 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 10:34.17 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a lOler. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 10:34.24 | concept10 | MobyTurbo, Im still looking :) I just threw that up there |
| 10:34.32 | cjf-sk | I always though linus just started to modify minix, and gradually decided to make something of his own |
| 10:34.36 | MobyTurbo | concept10: please don't waste my time. |
| 10:34.39 | concept10 | MobyTurbo, be patient |
| 10:34.51 | liable | fabio: if dpkg-reconfigure wont do it, you will have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 10:35.17 | paulswm | Patience in #debian, good luck with that. |
| 10:35.21 | concept10 | MobyTurbo, do you actually think I bookmark Linus' kernel history? I have to find the link |
| 10:35.30 | fabio | Thanks |
| 10:35.32 | MobyTurbo | cjf-sk: that's what "Just for Fun" says |
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| 10:36.32 | fabio | I used dpkg-reconfigure but there are no options about the 1280x800 resolution... |
| 10:36.49 | liable | fabio: find the lines with the resolutions on them, and add "1280x800" after the other resolutions. |
| 10:37.04 | jtza8 | Is there a quick way to detect which apt package contains a certain library? |
| 10:37.29 | drac | jtza8: apt-get install apt-file, apt-file update, apt-file search <keyword> |
| 10:37.45 | MobyTurbo | paulswm: it's not a case of lack of patience, it's because the link he posted has nothing to do with his assertion. |
| 10:38.00 | jtza8 | drac, Thanks |
| 10:38.00 | fabio | so which file have I to edit? /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 10:38.15 | liable | fabio: yes |
| 10:38.38 | fabio | its very kind of you! Take care |
| 10:38.41 | fabio | ciao |
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| 10:39.40 | kjparker | dondelelcaro, What do you mean by "debian/rules binary" |
| 10:40.26 | j_k | kjparker: that's what you run to build a debian package. |
| 10:40.30 | cjf-sk | so... anyone up for destroying the computing world and rebuilding it from its ashes? |
| 10:40.37 | d03boy | where in the smb.conf do I specify what workgroup my samba server should exist on? ... it has a comment, but nothing is on the following line of that comment |
| 10:40.44 | dondelelcaro | cjf-sk: good luck. |
| 10:40.51 | kjparker | i run debian/rules? |
| 10:40.57 | cjf-sk | thanks ;) |
| 10:41.02 | dondelelcaro | kjparker: yes. |
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| 10:41.12 | dondelelcaro | kjparker: fakeroot debian/rules binary; actually |
| 10:41.32 | dondelelcaro | kjparker: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; apt-get build-dep squid; |
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| 10:42.11 | sihkzz | Does anyone know about how secure the reiser filesystem is in its deleting of files? |
| 10:42.19 | j_k | !ricerfs |
| 10:42.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
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| 10:42.55 | liable | d03boy: try using swat, simplifies it greatly. |
| 10:43.00 | d03boy | ok |
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| 10:43.42 | concept10 | MobyTurbo, sorry - I have no idea what site I read that on |
| 10:43.55 | dondelelcaro | sihkzz: no filesystem is secure in deleting files. They just remove the reference to the file. You want wipe or similar if you actually care about security |
| 10:44.07 | kjparker | ok, once i have done that do I make install, or has it already done it for me? |
| 10:44.15 | MobyTurbo | concept10: then I'll assume that Linus's account in his biography "Just for Fun" is correct, and you are not. |
| 10:44.25 | j_k | kjparker: it has built a package for you in ../, actually. |
| 10:44.27 | dondelelcaro | kjparker: no, that made a .deb; you then just cd ..; and dpkg -i the resultant debs. |
| 10:44.33 | cjf-sk | but HE READ IT ON THE INTERNET!!! |
| 10:44.33 | kjparker | ok |
| 10:44.35 | cjf-sk | heh ;) |
| 10:44.40 | j_k | kjparker: that's the point of using debianized sources :-) |
| 10:44.44 | kjparker | :) |
| 10:44.55 | d03boy | he's reading this on the internet too -_- |
| 10:44.59 | raf256 | damn... |
| 10:45.01 | d03boy | God save us.. |
| 10:45.07 | raf256 | where from should I LEARN about selinux? |
| 10:45.39 | concept10 | MobyTurbo, eat a dick - how about that. Just because I cant find the link doesnt make it incorrect, it just means I cant remeber where I read the shit a couple of months ago |
| 10:45.50 | valdyn | !fgi raf256 selinux |
| 10:45.52 | dpkg | raf256: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=selinux |
| 10:46.12 | raf256 | valdyn: I did fucking google it already and no fucking tutorials where freaking found |
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| 10:46.34 | valdyn | raf256: i see a wiki and a faq among the first 10 hits. |
| 10:46.44 | sihkzz | dondelelcaro: Thanks. I care. This is for the server at work. Regulations say all client backups have to be delete securely to the point of being unrecoverable. We deal with accounting and legal documents frequently. Should I even be using reiserfs? |
| 10:46.46 | raf256 | valdyn: and they are shit. no real tutorial |
| 10:46.56 | raf256 | only general FAQ |
| 10:47.00 | dondelelcaro | sihkzz: hell fucking no. |
| 10:47.06 | raf256 | no step-by-step tutorial explaining and learning it |
| 10:47.21 | sihkzz | dondelelcaro: Didn't think so. Any suggestions? |
| 10:47.24 | dondelelcaro | sihkzz: for serious work, unless you absolutely need the features of another filesystem, you want to use ext2. |
| 10:47.35 | concept10 | MobyTurbo, find something better to do than sit back and fact check linux |
| 10:47.36 | dondelelcaro | sihkzz: then, instead of using rm to delete things, use wipe. |
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| 10:48.04 | dondelelcaro | sihkzz: that will get you as near to obliterating the files as you can be while not actually destroying the physical media |
| 10:48.29 | sihkzz | dondelelcaro: This server hasn't gone live yet, thank god. I wanted to make sure of things like this beforehand. Thanks for you help |
| 10:49.05 | dondelelcaro | sihkzz: no problem. ext2 has certain speed related issues, and areas where it is not ideal... but it is the tried and true filesystem. |
| 10:50.15 | cjf-sk | yes, your hatred makes you strong concept10, join me and together we shall create a new computing environment! |
| 10:50.21 | d03boy | i cant seem to remember the command to list processes :( |
| 10:50.27 | d03boy | oh crap, nm, ps |
| 10:50.58 | sihkzz | dondelelcaro: Speed fortunatly isn't an issue. Just reliability and security. Knowing what I know now is going to help alot |
| 10:50.58 | j_k | Skyblaze: you may also find reading 'man chattr' useful. |
| 10:51.12 | j_k | Skyblaze: sorry, not you, I meant sihkzz |
| 10:51.17 | concept10 | cjf-sk, :) no I dont get alot with the zealots |
| 10:51.38 | dondelelcaro | sihkzz: cool. definetly check out the manpage of wipe; it will give you some ideas. |
| 10:51.48 | cjf-sk | I'm not a zealot, if anything I'm more like an Ultralisk |
| 10:52.03 | concept10 | cjf-sk, i didnt mean you, sorry :) |
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| 10:52.11 | sihkzz | j_k: Thank you |
| 10:52.20 | apoplex_ | hi, ive got a problem : configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 10:52.26 | apoplex_ | g++, gcc already installed |
| 10:52.28 | cjf-sk | oh, excellent, so you're in! Great, I'll setup the sourceforge project ;-) |
| 10:52.31 | sihkzz | dondelelcaro: I will, definitely. How is ext3, by the way? |
| 10:52.42 | valdyn | !b-e apoplex_ |
| 10:52.43 | paulswm | raf256: This might help, took me a couple of minutes to find it, googled on security+enhanced+linux+tutorial: http://www.samag.com/documents/s=7835/sam0303a/0303a.htm |
| 10:52.43 | dpkg | apoplex_: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 10:52.58 | raf256 | paulswm: ok, thnx I will look into i |
| 10:53.00 | raf256 | it |
| 10:53.03 | dondelelcaro | sihkzz: it's ok, I guess... but it has issues with secure file deletion, as the wipe manapge will explain |
| 10:53.06 | [kf]naddar | kpersonalizer can't connect xserver |
| 10:53.09 | [kf]naddar | anyone knows |
| 10:53.13 | [kf]naddar | if i type startkde |
| 10:53.14 | [kf]naddar | i get this |
| 10:53.20 | cjf-sk | step 1: think up generic name, step 2: setup sourceforge project, step 3: ???, step 4: Complete Computing Apocalypse! |
| 10:53.21 | liable | no |
| 10:53.33 | dondelelcaro | naddar: please don't overuse the enter key. |
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| 10:53.40 | liable | naddar: dont paste here either |
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| 10:53.56 | apoplex_ | valdyn, thanks a lot, it worked |
| 10:54.03 | sihkzz | dondelelcaro: Looks like I've got some reading to do. You've been very helpful :) |
| 10:54.03 | naddar | oh sorry |
| 10:54.16 | naddar | liable: you know this problem? |
| 10:54.24 | dondelelcaro | sihkzz: np. good luck |
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| 10:54.59 | liable | naddar: no, I just thought you were going to paste the errors, which would have got you kicked. |
| 10:55.00 | d03boy | eek, after killing inetd what is the preferred method of starting it again without rebooting? |
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| 10:55.18 | liable | d03boy: /etc/init.d |
| 10:56.01 | d03boy | ah yes, thanks |
| 10:56.10 | naddar | dont kick i go from myself sorry tought you guy's where expers |
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| 10:56.33 | liable | what????? |
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| 10:56.53 | kjparker | ok, the resulting deb file i get from the cmd lines above, i can install onto any debain system? right? |
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| 10:57.05 | liable | awwwww, now I feel bad. |
| 10:57.09 | Cyber1|xkR | can someone help me with a mail server issue? |
| 10:57.15 | j_k | kjparker: any which has the required dependecies, yes. |
| 10:58.30 | j_k | Cyber1|xkR: you should just state your problem and someone will help you if they can. |
| 10:58.47 | Cyber1|xkR | j_k: I just dont want to spam.. |
| 10:58.59 | Cyber1|xkR | j_k: My problem.. is more a error message |
| 10:59.07 | Cyber1|xkR | j_k: can I query you the message im getting? |
| 10:59.48 | j_k | Cyber1|xkR: why not sending it here if it's 1-line long, or in #flood otherwise? |
| 10:59.51 | cjf-sk | does anyone know offhand what the best edition of tanenbaum's operating systems books is? |
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| 11:00.17 | dondelelcaro | kjparker: yes. |
| 11:00.28 | Cyber1|xkR | ok |
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| 11:00.45 | Cyber1|xkR | j_k: #flood |
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| 11:01.12 | kjparker | should I be worried if at the last line it says: :"install: cannot stat `src/fs/diskd/diskd': No such file or directory" and " make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1" |
| 11:01.21 | kjparker | it still built a deb though |
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| 11:01.40 | dondelelcaro | kjparker: uh... that would be a problem. |
| 11:01.44 | d03boy | thanks for the SWAT suggestion, this is pretty nice actually |
| 11:01.45 | Cyber1|xkR | j_k: What that means is.. Im trying to send a mail to the RCPT IP (Recipient) from SMTP Domain |
| 11:01.49 | dondelelcaro | kjparker: you'll need to figure out why it failed and fix it |
| 11:01.51 | Cyber1|xkR | and Im getting the routable error |
| 11:02.05 | kjparker | i was hoping you were not going to say that! |
| 11:02.06 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:02.46 | j_k | Cyber1|xkR: is that SMTP domain able to receive mail? |
| 11:03.01 | j_k | Cyber1|xkR: some servers will check that before accepting messages. |
| 11:03.19 | j_k | Cyber1|xkR: and this one you're trying to send your message to does, it seems. |
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| 11:06.03 | Cyber1|xkR | j_k: fixed it :), just updated the config file a bit |
| 11:06.18 | Cyber1|xkR | j_k: thanks, for your time anwyays :) |
| 11:06.46 | j_k | Cyber1|xkR: let me guess.. you changed your mailname to something correct? |
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| 11:10.16 | thirst | when i create an image using mkisofs, all the filenames with hyphen in them gets converted to _, how do i prevent this ? |
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| 11:15.33 | liable | does apt-cache just grep /var/lib/dpkg/available? |
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| 11:19.15 | raf256 | http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20050626.html <--- link on time about EU motherfuckers and greedy corportaions |
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| 11:22.11 | hiall | How to turn JBox into Linux box? |
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| 11:24.31 | error403 | I was wondering, is there a way to change the system hardware clock from within Debian> |
| 11:24.32 | error403 | ? |
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| 11:24.50 | pino | error403: yes, there is |
| 11:24.58 | pino | hwclock :) |
| 11:25.15 | error403 | pino, how do i do it, as such? let me guess... man hwclock? |
| 11:25.31 | pino | hwclock --set sets the hw clock to your system date |
| 11:25.39 | error403 | oh |
| 11:25.43 | pino | so you first set the right time with date, and then use hwclock! |
| 11:25.49 | cbr | why doesnt mozilla-mplayer have gtk+2 menus? |
| 11:25.50 | d4rksh4de | whats the main difference between ubuntu and debian? |
| 11:25.51 | d03boy | I have SWAt set up and i'm using it, but I dont see anywhere how to configure it... |
| 11:25.56 | error403 | so how do i change the system date without graphical environment.. |
| 11:25.56 | d03boy | configure samba that is |
| 11:26.25 | pino | error403: 1. "date -s 04:12:00"; 2. "hwclock --set" |
| 11:26.26 | error403 | d4rksh4de, Debian isnt brown? |
| 11:26.33 | d4rksh4de | error403> lol |
| 11:26.45 | error403 | unless you tell it to be ... |
| 11:26.46 | error403 | :P |
| 11:27.01 | error403 | but who would |
| 11:27.28 | pino | d4rksh4de: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view ;) |
| 11:27.31 | d4rksh4de | error403> well, im on ubuntu and it isnt blue right now |
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| 11:28.41 | error403 | pino, erm, what format does it want the date in, to set it? |
| 11:28.46 | cjf-sk | well, I think I shall go now, thank you all for your assistance :) |
| 11:28.52 | error403 | the time is fine, but the date is screwed |
| 11:28.53 | paulswm | error403: man date, info date |
| 11:29.12 | kjparker | is anyone here able to help me with getting NTLM authentication working with squid? |
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| 11:29.14 | paulswm | error403: date MMDDHHMM |
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| 11:29.31 | error403 | paulswm, i need to set year, thats all |
| 11:29.37 | d4rksh4de | how to open firefox and send it to some site in terminal |
| 11:29.44 | paulswm | error403: rtfm for date |
| 11:30.22 | error403 | paulswm, i am dammit... |
| 11:30.25 | error403 | >.< |
| 11:30.37 | error403 | im not someone who doesnt read the manual first... |
| 11:30.49 | quittt | why the fuck XMMS is giving me wrong time of music? |
| 11:30.55 | quittt | Ramones music has 10 before I click it than it became 2 |
| 11:30.58 | cbrose | I have an apt-get question. |
| 11:31.08 | streuner | ask |
| 11:31.10 | quittt | what hell |
| 11:31.21 | spdf | quittt, Google. |
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| 11:31.37 | streuner | quittt: variable Bitrate? |
| 11:31.37 | quittt | spdf, Google? |
| 11:31.39 | cbrose | I'm attempting to add packages to a PPC machine... |
| 11:31.40 | paulswm | error403: Fiftyth line on the manpage: date [-u|--utc|--universal] [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]] |
| 11:31.50 | paulswm | fifth* |
| 11:31.51 | quittt | streuner, maybe |
| 11:31.52 | kjparker | i have i belive my squid.conf set correctly, i have a whole bunch of wb_info helpers running |
| 11:32.00 | quittt | streuner, with Winamp I dont have such problems |
| 11:32.01 | cbrose | and I don't have a lot of scsi HD space... |
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| 11:32.11 | kjparker | but it's not passing authentication! :( |
| 11:32.23 | spdf | quittt, Winamp isn't XMMS.. |
| 11:32.25 | cbrose | So, I downloaded the Debian install DVDs to my Power Book and I'd like to |
| 11:32.28 | quittt | I know |
| 11:32.39 | quittt | and Beep doesnt have such problem too |
| 11:32.41 | error403 | paulswm, ok, thanks, dont know how i didnt see that |
| 11:32.50 | quittt | but Beep sux and Winamp is for Windows |
| 11:32.51 | cbrose | add a line in my souces.list that will find these iso files using ftp |
| 11:32.54 | paulswm | error403: :) |
| 11:33.01 | spdf | quittt, xmms may calculate times differently.. File a bug report.. |
| 11:33.03 | cbrose | so, I"ll be ftping from the PPC in my garage to my PB |
| 11:33.20 | cbrose | is this possible? |
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| 11:33.31 | cbr | quittt: it happens (tm) |
| 11:33.38 | cbr | usually with VBR music |
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| 11:33.41 | kjparker | nothing is being logged either |
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| 11:33.53 | quittt | cbr, it is pretty anoying |
| 11:33.58 | cbr | yeah |
| 11:34.15 | error403 | paulswm, that doesnt work for setting it |
| 11:34.24 | grimse | hi |
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| 11:34.52 | error403 | erm |
| 11:34.55 | error403 | never mind |
| 11:35.02 | error403 | i was using the wrong option |
| 11:35.14 | quittt | cool now XMMS crashed |
| 11:35.45 | error403 | pino, the hwclock --set didnt work... |
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| 11:37.29 | liable | !set time |
| 11:37.29 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 11:38.21 | cbr | ntpd <3 |
| 11:38.27 | hiall | ? |
| 11:39.06 | Mago` | hi, I'm trying to get apache2 using suPHP 0.5.2, but www-data is UID 33 (<100) and it won't let me use another user (--with-apache-user makes no difference). any ideas how to tell suPHP what the apache user is? |
| 11:39.07 | vanboven | Hi, I'm looking for a good hassle-free GB NIC for Debian kernel 2.4.27. |
| 11:39.20 | vanboven | Any offloading that worjks underLinux is also interesting... |
| 11:39.27 | vanboven | Any ideas? |
| 11:39.39 | hiall | waiting backport |
| 11:39.46 | liable | vanboven: look in the kernel docs, to see whats supported |
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| 11:40.28 | hiall | but life-time of hardware |
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| 11:40.55 | vanboven | OK, thnaks. Where would I find these kernel docs? |
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| 11:41.07 | paulswm | error403: to set the hw clock, just /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh stop (you don't need to restart it, it doesn't really run) |
| 11:41.51 | error403 | paulswm, im confused.... what is that doing, in relation to setting the value of the hardware clock? |
| 11:42.13 | hiall | vanboven, /usr/src/linux/Documentations/ |
| 11:42.15 | paulswm | error403: it writes the system date/time to the rtc (hardware clock) |
| 11:42.26 | error403 | ok.. |
| 11:42.52 | error403 | aha |
| 11:42.55 | error403 | thank you! |
| 11:43.08 | hiall | error403, easy enough |
| 11:43.15 | Nigel | hmmmm is it possible to download .deb files for amd64 from apt-get on a i386 computer - i have no intention to install them on that computer |
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| 11:43.24 | vanboven | Hiall: Thanks, I'll have a look. |
| 11:43.25 | liable | hiall: your alias wouldnt be *sigh* would it? |
| 11:43.30 | cbr | where's the correct place to put systemwide variables in debian? |
| 11:43.38 | Nigel | it's so i can create a mini-mirror of x-w-s and kde etc |
| 11:43.50 | raf256 | ?? eu |
| 11:43.52 | hiall | liable, what do you mean? |
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| 11:44.02 | raf256 | !eu |
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| 11:44.45 | Glanzmann | Hello; I am looking for help with gpg-agent under Sarge. I can start the gpg-agent; exported the environment variables. But don't know how to add my passhrase to the gpg-agent |
| 11:44.54 | Glanzmann | I think gpg --use-agent already tries to use it. |
| 11:45.03 | raf256 | !eu |
| 11:45.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, eu is a communistic organization created to allow to force crazy-ass patent law that allows greedy corporations do destroy freedom of creating and ideas |
| 11:45.07 | Glanzmann | There is no gpg-agent manpage. |
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| 11:46.23 | initech | hmm |
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| 11:46.25 | initech | !us |
| 11:46.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, us is United States (of America), or the first-person plural object pronoun |
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| 11:46.48 | intension | !hi |
| 11:46.48 | dpkg | hello, intension |
| 11:46.51 | paulswm | error403: if you are not already using an ntp daemon to keep your system clock correct, I suggest the chrony package, it is very good. |
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| 11:47.13 | cbr | where's the correct place to put systemwide variables in debian? |
| 11:47.24 | nevyn | shell variables? |
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| 11:47.41 | error403 | paulswm, does it just run in the background by itself? |
| 11:47.51 | pino | Nigel: you may want to try http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/scripts/apt-offline |
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| 11:48.05 | error403 | do i need to set anything for it, or will it sort itself out? |
| 11:48.07 | paulswm | cbr: /etc/profile |
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| 11:48.28 | initech | cbr: for bourne - alikes, /etc/profile, or source something site wide from /etc/profile |
| 11:48.36 | pepsi_ | is it possible to boot from a USB-memory-stick? |
| 11:48.51 | liable | pepsi_: depends on your bios |
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| 11:49.24 | paulswm | error403: it will run out of the box (in the background, as a daemon), but you should still read the info which comes with it, not urgently though |
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| 11:49.26 | pepsi_ | liable: ok. how usual is it that modern computers have this option (laptops only) |
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| 11:49.46 | liable | pepsi_: quite, have a poke around in it. |
| 11:49.48 | error403 | ok, thanks paulswm |
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| 11:49.57 | pepsi_ | liable: thx |
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| 11:51.47 | bluefox83 | how do i change who owns a directory? |
| 11:51.55 | liable | chown |
| 11:52.24 | buerste | my wget doesnt show the right filesize, instead of 4gb it shows about 390mb, what am i doing wrong? |
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| 11:52.31 | suman | hi all, |
| 11:52.48 | paulswm | error403: you are welcome! Then you won't have to worry about clocks ever again. chrony will keep the system clock correct, and when you reboot, the system time gets saved to the rtc (hardware clock), and on boot the system date/time gets initially set from the rtc and then chrony will take over and adjust as necessary. The important thing is that chrony will correct an error gradually, which is, for many operational reasons, a Good Thing. |
| 11:52.59 | initech | buerste: i believe wget has a problem with files over 2GB. not sure, but I had that problem recently |
| 11:53.25 | Nethox | I think that in wget 1.10 it is solved |
| 11:53.31 | buerste | initech, well, when running in gentoo, it works pretty well. maybe its been fixed in a newer version |
| 11:53.46 | suman | i have done a dist-upgrade last night , but the latest version of xfce4 looks screwed.... the panel nor the taskbar works and the system is very slow, has anyone faced similar issues with xfce? |
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| 11:53.49 | jim | bluefox83: the only user that can run chown is root |
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| 11:54.16 | bluefox83 | drwxr-xr-x 2 bluefox root 4096 2005-01-04 00:55 ripping <--- how do i change that to this --> drwxr-xr-x 2 bluefox bluefox 4096 2005-01-04 00:55 ripping |
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| 11:54.27 | pirre | suman: I did an upgrade, and the panel works almost fine, just not some of the funcions |
| 11:54.31 | drac | bluefox83: man chown |
| 11:54.36 | bluefox83 | jim, ...i'm well aware of that |
| 11:54.37 | CorrsFan | bluefox83, chgrp firefox ripping |
| 11:54.42 | kjparker | how can i find out what compile time switches have been passed to packages in the repository |
| 11:54.57 | jim | bluefox83: in that first listing, what does bluefox mean? |
| 11:55.02 | initech | bluefox83: err, then you want chgrp |
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| 11:55.14 | suman | pirre: can u open up the settings panel? also r u using 4.2.2? |
| 11:55.19 | cbrose | Is it possible to create a line in my sources.list that will access packages stored on a local network machine? Sort of like - "deb ftp://name:password@192.168.2.9/debian3.1.iso stable main contrib non-free" ? |
| 11:55.23 | bluefox83 | jim, my user name :) |
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| 11:55.34 | jim | and root? |
| 11:55.40 | pirre | suman: yes and yes |
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| 11:55.44 | bluefox83 | root username |
| 11:55.54 | jim | no, in the ls -l |
| 11:56.09 | jim | why does ls -l say "bluefox root"? |
| 11:56.12 | suman | pirre: did you notice any speed issues? |
| 11:56.19 | pirre | suman: not really, no |
| 11:56.23 | spanish | does anyone know of an equivalent to wget for local filesystems? I need to copy a local html and its references |
| 11:56.29 | bluefox83 | because i own it but it was in root's group |
| 11:56.35 | liable | root group |
| 11:56.42 | jim | bluefox83: zactly :) |
| 11:56.46 | pirre | suman: some of the icons have disappeared, and the volume thingie in the panel doesn't work, but other than that, no problems |
| 11:56.49 | Nigel | pino: looking now, thanks |
| 11:57.06 | bluefox83 | jim, once someone told me about chgrp i realised what it was i was changing..lol |
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| 11:57.31 | jim | yeah, I must have noticed just before that |
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| 11:58.02 | suman | pirre: did u remove the old configuration while upgrading? |
| 11:58.06 | pirre | suman: no |
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| 11:58.16 | Donald | Is is possible to log SFTP transfered files? |
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| 11:58.39 | jim | helpers walk a line... they can go either side... one side, just tell them the command invocation.... the other side, get them to think it thru |
| 11:59.14 | jim | I always worry the helpee will be back too soon if the former approach is used |
| 11:59.31 | suman | how can i check if i am using xorg or xfree? |
| 11:59.54 | drac | suman: X -version |
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| 12:00.07 | Donald | suman: look where /etc/x11/X is pointing on. |
| 12:00.10 | liable | suman: what distro are you running |
| 12:00.24 | suman | liable: debian |
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| 12:00.39 | pirre | suman: s/x11/X11/ |
| 12:00.48 | tapas | hi, i wonder where i could find info about using rt rlimits on a debian unstable box. is the pam at the right version for this? |
| 12:00.53 | jim | I don't actually mind if they're here or not per se, but I worry about the rate of querying humans for help versus querying already-written material |
| 12:00.56 | pirre | that was meant for Donald, not suman |
| 12:00.56 | liable | suman: unless you went right out of your way to install xorg, then its xfree |
| 12:01.27 | spanish | is there any tool for local filesystems that mimics the function of wget for the web? |
| 12:01.27 | suman | liable: which is better or faster? |
| 12:01.45 | jim | what's better mean? :) |
| 12:01.49 | bluefox83 | what do you mean mimics wget? |
| 12:01.52 | liable | suman: doesnt matter, xorg isnt available yet, to the masses,. |
| 12:01.54 | pirre | spanish: cp? |
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| 12:02.21 | initech | spanish: what's wrong with wget itself? |
| 12:02.30 | bluefox83 | liable, yeah it is, it's just not in the official repositories |
| 12:02.39 | gerard | hi, i just install pan, but it seems to buffer the downloads. what do i do to resolve this? |
| 12:02.44 | abrotman | bluefox83: that would be not available to the masses |
| 12:02.52 | spanish | initech: if I try wget, it asks for a http server |
| 12:02.55 | abrotman | bluefox83: the only way you'd know is if you read gravity's blog |
| 12:03.02 | abrotman | or some random list |
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| 12:03.07 | bluefox83 | abrotman, so you're saying that mplayer .debs aren't available to the masses either huh/ |
| 12:03.10 | spanish | initech: if I try wget, it asks for a http server, but I want to copy a backup of some local web |
| 12:03.10 | abrotman | spanish: so use cp ? |
| 12:03.19 | bluefox83 | ? |
| 12:03.20 | abrotman | bluefox83: not to be supported by this channel |
| 12:03.21 | spanish | abrotman: cp will not go down the links |
| 12:03.29 | pirre | spanish: cp -R ? |
| 12:03.31 | abrotman | spanish: man cp |
| 12:03.33 | jim | bluefox83: mplayer has legal problems, debian won't touch it |
| 12:03.41 | bluefox83 | jim, i know |
| 12:03.47 | abrotman | jim: it's been in new for .. months :) |
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| 12:03.53 | bluefox83 | but it's still available to the masses through unofficial repositories |
| 12:03.59 | bluefox83 | so is xorg ;P |
| 12:04.06 | abrotman | but we don't support it |
| 12:04.13 | abrotman | or shouldn't anyways |
| 12:04.14 | spanish | abrotsman: no no no, I need a backup of some html files and referented files in other directories! |
| 12:04.19 | bluefox83 | i run xorg, and i installed it from an unofficial repository |
| 12:04.20 | initech | spanish: cp, afio, tar - one of those will most certainly fit your needs. But wget is the only thing that will follow links in an html file, and naturally one needs a functioning web site to do that |
| 12:04.20 | MobyTurbo | bluefox83: we don't support xorg either |
| 12:04.24 | useruser | so my coloured prompt is all screwed up since I started using tput, as I don't know how to produce the escape sequence for ending coloured stuff. anyone know what to pass to tput to produce that? |
| 12:04.41 | abrotman | bluefox83: good for you .. it's still not in debian |
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| 12:04.48 | bluefox83 | MobyTurbo, you will, soon as it becomes part of the official repositories |
| 12:04.52 | ico2 | hey |
| 12:04.59 | spanish | initech: can't wget do it within my machine? without apache running? |
| 12:05.05 | abrotman | bluefox83: SOON .. not now .. shut up about it .. |
| 12:05.11 | liable | bluefox83: doesnt matter, please dont tell people "yeah its ok, go get it here" |
| 12:05.12 | ico2 | is there an apache2 modules for mono? or will the apache module work in apache2? |
| 12:05.18 | MobyTurbo | bluefox83: mplayer though won't, because Debian wisely steers clear of legal problems |
| 12:05.24 | abrotman | ico2: sarge ? |
| 12:05.27 | bluefox83 | liable, ok, i wont tell them where to get it.. |
| 12:05.36 | ico2 | i am looking in unstable |
| 12:05.39 | jim | bluefox83: whether it can be gotten (yes, we know it can) is not the issue... but then, the person misspoke when he said xorg wasn't available to the masses, that's obviously false... |
| 12:05.45 | abrotman | bluefox83: even gravity said they are buggy as hell |
| 12:05.59 | abrotman | ico2: there's no mod-mono ? |
| 12:06.05 | ico2 | there is |
| 12:06.13 | ico2 | but not that i can see for apache 2 |
| 12:06.24 | bluefox83 | i don't have any problems with it, all i had to do was recompile my video card drivers when i installed it so i could play doom3 :D |
| 12:06.25 | jim | but that's not acceptable |
| 12:06.28 | abrotman | ico2: i think it's ONLY for apache2 .. i don't think it works at all with apache1 |
| 12:06.37 | bluefox83 | infact, doom3 looks a lot sharper now |
| 12:06.38 | Nethox | Have anyone finished the game: gravity-wars? its painful :) |
| 12:06.42 | ico2 | oh |
| 12:06.45 | initech | what is the point in using Xorg right now? isn't it for the most part the same as XFree? I know there are a lot of planned features, but what features are in there now that would warrant using it? |
| 12:06.46 | ico2 | in that case i'm ok |
| 12:06.47 | ico2 | thanks |
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| 12:06.50 | jim | if it's available and someone here says it's not, that's a lie |
| 12:06.52 | abrotman | jim: unless you're willing to use unofficial sources .. it's not available to the masses |
| 12:06.56 | schorem | hey |
| 12:07.07 | abrotman | well .. maybe he should have waited to see if it works |
| 12:07.16 | schorem | does anyone know anything about the pan newsreader |
| 12:07.23 | suman | who will create the XDG_CONFIG_HOME variable? |
| 12:07.38 | jim | yes it is... it's not in debian main. that's -all-... |
| 12:07.49 | liable | jim: dont forget to take it also in the context of the conversation I was having. |
| 12:08.07 | abrotman | unless you know how to add sources .. and we have sid users who can't .. it's not available :) |
| 12:08.23 | MobyTurbo | is it possible for it to be permasunday on sunday? |
| 12:08.28 | bluefox83 | how hard is it to copy and paste a line into sources.list!?!?! |
| 12:08.31 | liable | jim: he didnt know what he had, unless he explicitely installed, he *wont* have it |
| 12:08.35 | abrotman | bluefox83: apparently it is .. |
| 12:08.52 | jim | somehow it was decided to fail to tell people what's been available the whole time: it can be built. |
| 12:09.04 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i don't know how you can handle users like me who don't know how to do this stuff...lol |
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| 12:09.11 | abrotman | jim: still not supported here ... |
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| 12:09.14 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 12:09.15 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 12:09.19 | Nigel | pino: that seems to be doing the trick, thanks |
| 12:09.20 | Flaxiah | hi |
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| 12:09.36 | jim | I don't take that viewpoint, but I will say things like "yes, you can do this... but help questions about it here are not permitted" |
| 12:09.44 | abrotman | bluefox83: you think i'm joking .. but we have people who somehow get debian installed .. and can't manage to cut and paste |
| 12:10.00 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i believe you... |
| 12:10.05 | abrotman | jim: which never works ... |
| 12:10.09 | jim | I -won't- say: "no, you can't get it. it's not available to you." |
| 12:10.19 | initech | abrotman: pls hlp i installed sid and trying to get notepad running under wine so i can edit sources.list can u pls hlp k thx lol |
| 12:10.20 | bluefox83 | it took me a while to find a terminal that would let me do that the way i wanted |
| 12:10.32 | bluefox83 | gnome-terminal is the one i use now :) |
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| 12:10.39 | abrotman | initech: we had someone in here one day asking how to get notepad running |
| 12:10.46 | MobyTurbo | what is the easiest thing is to point them towards the /topic, which mentions /msg dpkg xorg |
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| 12:10.51 | abrotman | initech: they had mounted thier ntfs partition just for that reason |
| 12:10.57 | initech | abrotman: you got to be kidding |
| 12:10.58 | bluefox83 | ..is initech serious? |
| 12:11.10 | jim | what's really needed is a paid support provision |
| 12:11.15 | xerophyte | does anybody know how to configure the pppoe.conf to use the two username and with one network interface because my ISP provide ips with username names and i have 2 static ips and so i need to connect using 2 username and get the both ips .. is there anyway i can do that .. with pppoe .. the ips are associate with usernames |
| 12:11.17 | abrotman | bluefox83: HLP .. my debian accidentally installed suse! |
| 12:11.25 | initech | bluefox83: initech is almost never serious |
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| 12:11.27 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 12:11.34 | bluefox83 | good to know =D |
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| 12:11.53 | abrotman | initech: and no .. i wasn't kidding |
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| 12:12.16 | liable | abrotman: was it sunday too? |
| 12:12.29 | abrotman | liable: i think it was actually during the week |
| 12:12.35 | MobyTurbo | !sing sunday |
| 12:12.36 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 12:12.40 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 12:12.41 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 12:12.45 | jim | what this boils down to is telling people that they're considered stupid, and because of that, certain things are not available to them |
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| 12:13.00 | jim | that's wrong on its face |
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| 12:13.05 | abrotman | jim: sounds about right :) |
| 12:13.06 | liable | jim: shut up already |
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| 12:13.26 | jim | does your life depend on it? :) |
| 12:13.38 | liable | no, thank god |
| 12:13.56 | initech | jim: no it isn't. this isn't a paid support channel or something. people who want to butfuck their systems need to RTFM |
| 12:13.59 | paulswm | rebooty |
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| 12:14.12 | abrotman | initech: buttfuck |
| 12:14.13 | MobyTurbo | I simply topicsmite anyone who asks about xorg, it's in the /TOPIC |
| 12:14.31 | liable | wtf is topic lol!!!!! |
| 12:14.35 | useruser | the following gives me a broken prompt which doesn't wrap lines properly. what am I doing wrong? export PS1='\[$(tput setaf 2)\] > $(tput sgr0)' |
| 12:14.40 | liable | :D |
| 12:14.42 | MobyTurbo | !topicbadger |
| 12:14.43 | initech | abrotman: ok, buttsmite |
| 12:14.53 | abrotman | initech: make it! |
| 12:15.11 | MobyTurbo | phoey, what happened to that one? :-) |
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| 12:15.27 | liable | !topicbadger MobyTurbo |
| 12:15.29 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that MobyTurbo didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 12:15.37 | liable | :D |
| 12:15.42 | MobyTurbo | heh |
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| 12:16.09 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite liable |
| 12:16.10 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon liable. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 12:16.21 | liable | !aussiesmite MobyTurbo |
| 12:16.23 | dpkg | MobyTurbo: shut up ya bloody yank or i'll cut your acres off! |
| 12:16.34 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 12:16.35 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 12:16.44 | liable | had to happen :) |
| 12:16.47 | abrotman | !topicfsck MobyTurbo |
| 12:16.59 | MobyTurbo | ewww |
| 12:17.01 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:17.03 | eps | hahaha |
| 12:17.09 | liable | hahaha hadnt seen that one. |
| 12:17.14 | eps | yeah that is new |
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| 12:17.24 | jim | I understand the problem... and the solution is not to move closer to mwilson's behavior |
| 12:17.35 | abrotman | !literal cmd: topicfsck (.*?) |
| 12:17.36 | dpkg | CMD: topicfsck (.*?) is ($1): <action> takes the /topic and shoves it violently up $1's backside, all the way up to $1's brain. Maybe that will teach $1 to read the topic before asking stupid questions! |
| 12:17.51 | abrotman | !factinfo cmd: topicfsck (.*?) |
| 12:17.52 | dpkg | CMD: topicfsck (.*?) -- created by g4lt <galt@134.50.70.19> at Tue Feb 3 00:19:15 2004 (509 days). |
| 12:17.55 | initech | i think abrotman is behind dpkg's more violent, sociopathic, prison rape side |
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| 12:18.34 | abrotman | !g4ltsmite initech |
| 12:18.44 | awad | how good is debian ... really? http://www.freebsd.org/marketing/os-comparison.html |
| 12:19.03 | initech | awad: pretty good |
| 12:19.11 | jim | awad: you can install it and see for yourself |
| 12:19.13 | abrotman | awad: debian can run on a bsd kernel |
| 12:19.30 | awad | i want to try |
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| 12:19.46 | mirak | helo |
| 12:19.49 | abrotman | !d-i awad |
| 12:19.51 | dpkg | awad, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:19.53 | initech | does FreeBSD even support more than one proccessor yet? |
| 12:20.00 | cmihai | lol |
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| 12:20.06 | cmihai | initech: are you serious ?! |
| 12:20.06 | abrotman | initech: yeah |
| 12:20.32 | abrotman | initech: and they've ported it to a bunch of architectures |
| 12:20.41 | awad | initech: ever heard of netbsd? |
| 12:20.50 | jethro | initech: http://www.freebsd.org/smp/ |
| 12:20.54 | abrotman | netbsd is not fbsd |
| 12:20.58 | abrotman | awad: ^ |
| 12:21.04 | awad | freebsd got a few http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/index.html |
| 12:21.04 | initech | awad: that page is such bullshit |
| 12:21.13 | awad | nah not really |
| 12:21.16 | mirak | I have linux on hda and a windows on hdb. I can boot on windows if I choose hdb boot from the bios, but I can't manage to boot windows from lilo or grub that is on the hda. Window was installed separately on it's own disk. |
| 12:21.22 | mirak | anyone have an idea? |
| 12:21.25 | awad | it's a serious research environment that carried out that comparison / benchmarking |
| 12:21.27 | jim | awad: installing is pretty easy... but the thign you have to watch for in the docs, is they tell you just about every way possible you can install... so at some points in your reading you have to make and remember decisions |
| 12:21.31 | initech | awad: they're bitching about ext2!!! wtf |
| 12:21.35 | awad | namely mit and berkeley? |
| 12:21.43 | abrotman | mirak: shouldn't be a problem |
| 12:21.45 | mirak | in fact when lilo try to boot on windows disk it reboots immediately |
| 12:21.56 | mirak | grub do the same |
| 12:22.01 | initech | all BSD users do is bitch about linux. i am absolutely sick of that crap |
| 12:22.17 | liable | mirak: read /boot/grub/menu.lst and look at the example for a windows partition. |
| 12:22.19 | cmihai | And all Linux users do is bitch about microsoft. So ?! |
| 12:22.24 | jim | awad: oh, were you trying to let us know about the comparison? |
| 12:22.25 | awad | haha |
| 12:22.25 | awad | yeah |
| 12:22.28 | initech | cmihai: since when? |
| 12:22.34 | mirak | liable: it doesn't wok :/ |
| 12:22.39 | liable | mirak: paste the file somewhere. |
| 12:22.42 | awad | you all read that forbes article right |
| 12:22.45 | awad | http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinfrastructure/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html |
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| 12:22.54 | jethro | !troll awad |
| 12:22.55 | jim | that leaves all microsoft users to bitch about themselves :) |
| 12:22.56 | cmihai | !stupid |
| 12:22.57 | dpkg | i heard stupid is the typical person. or Linux distro flamewars, BSD-vs-Linux flamewars, and anything with "vs" and "flame" and "war" in it, unless it's Vietnam. Wich would fall into the "plain braindead" category, or the opposite of smart, or alias rm='rm -rf /', or well, stupid is as stupid does. |
| 12:23.15 | mirak | liable: I am on windows right now. |
| 12:23.16 | awad | unless it's IRAQ |
| 12:23.34 | liable | mirak: well, boot to linux :P |
| 12:23.38 | abrotman | awad: are you done trolling |
| 12:23.40 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:23.51 | caphuso | abrotman: yes, he is |
| 12:24.01 | liable | heh |
| 12:24.19 | jim | awad: you should stop now; someone probably heard about it, and read it or not. just like we are not likely to provide you with a comparison, we're also not likely to accept spam, which is what your postings boil down to |
| 12:24.42 | awad | no jim you got it all wrong |
| 12:24.51 | jim | no, I got it exactly right |
| 12:24.53 | abrotman | !tell awad about why debian |
| 12:24.53 | awad | i am trying to choose between debian and freebsd |
| 12:25.01 | cmihai | So ?! |
| 12:25.05 | awad | so i want you to provide me with examples which would convince me that debian is superior |
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| 12:25.10 | cmihai | Pick one that suits your needs. |
| 12:25.12 | jim | awad: ok, there is no problem with that |
| 12:25.15 | awad | don't you linux folks have some kind of anti-base comparison as well? |
| 12:25.16 | jethro | awad: try both, and then you can choose |
| 12:25.24 | liable | awad: try em both, make up your own mind |
| 12:25.27 | Phated | You know, we have no obligation to -sell- Debian to you. |
| 12:25.35 | jim | and NO, we are NOT going to discuss comparison, it's not appropriate |
| 12:25.37 | mirak | liable: I will :) |
| 12:25.39 | Phated | Or need to, TBPH. |
| 12:26.30 | jim | awad: listen to what Phated is saying. It's the core reason I won't offer comparisons. |
| 12:26.38 | liable | Phated: whats that? |
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| 12:26.46 | Phated | liable: What's what? |
| 12:26.47 | abrotman | to be perfectly honest |
| 12:26.47 | awad | jim, don't feed excuses |
| 12:26.54 | liable | Phated: tbph |
| 12:27.06 | abrotman | liable: ^^ |
| 12:27.08 | jim | awad: likewise. either install it or don't. |
| 12:27.08 | Zordrack | anybody have any idea why gets converted to o when creating a folder through samba ? |
| 12:27.09 | awad | love me like you love debian |
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| 12:27.12 | Phated | liable: abrotmantold you. |
| 12:27.15 | liable | ohhh |
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| 12:27.22 | liable | doh |
| 12:27.25 | jethro | thank you caphuso |
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| 12:27.37 | Phated | Go go gadget caphuso-op! |
| 12:27.59 | jim | he done capped him! |
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| 12:29.15 | nvz | looks to me like he missed |
| 12:29.26 | nvz | thats nothing a /nick cant avoid |
| 12:29.35 | mirak | liable: hum someone told me it was possible to hide hda from windows in grub |
| 12:30.08 | liable | mirak: ?? sorry I dont understand. |
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| 12:30.27 | abrotman | #grub also exists |
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| 12:31.07 | nvz | so does #LeetLUG, doesnt mean people are going to go there.. if it were that easy, I could sit on my ass all day and do nothing |
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| 12:31.20 | kazim | hi |
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| 12:31.42 | liable | nvz: hehe, shameless advertising :P |
| 12:31.45 | MobyTurbo | !hello kazim |
| 12:31.45 | buerste | hm ich hab acpi (amd64 powernow) eingerichtet, aber er ndert die MHz nicht, nur die bogomips. is das richtig? |
| 12:31.46 | jim | if you put a coupla ses on it, you get #SLeetSLUG |
| 12:32.01 | buerste | wrong chan again |
| 12:32.02 | buerste | sry |
| 12:32.09 | nvz | liable: not like I am trying to get you guys there, you're not from the Leet area, and are of no use to me |
| 12:32.09 | kazim | i have a little probleme aterm seams to no longer read my .Xdefault :/ any one have an idea ? |
| 12:32.24 | liable | nvz: not rich enough? |
| 12:32.35 | clown_ | lo, does someone know of a document describing the differences between Debian stock-kernels and home-made kernels (with make-kpkg) from kernel-source*.deb? I'm not getting correct kernel-headers*.deb... |
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| 12:32.58 | jim | kazim: owner/perms on .Xdefault? are you sure that's the right file name? |
| 12:33.12 | abrotman | clown_: check the changelogs |
| 12:33.18 | MobyTurbo | kazim: don't run X as root |
| 12:33.22 | nvz | liable: well if you wanted to give a donation, then you are of use to me.. but who would want to donate to an organization somewhere on the other side of the world that is doing nothing for them |
| 12:33.24 | jim | kazim: remember upper/lower case matters |
| 12:33.34 | liable | nvz: point |
| 12:33.54 | clown_ | abrotman: nah, already did, doesn't contain useful information AFAICT... |
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| 12:34.12 | abrotman | clown_: that's the only document i'm aware of |
| 12:34.26 | aingerutxin | holaaaa |
| 12:34.29 | kazim | jim: i see no prob here :/ |
| 12:34.40 | kazim | MobyTurbo: i'm not |
| 12:34.41 | jim | ok |
| 12:34.49 | trave11er | clown_: what's the problem with the headers? |
| 12:34.51 | liable | clown_: whats the problem? If you have made a kernel, you have the correct headers already. |
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| 12:35.22 | MobyTurbo | kazim: sorry, that's just a common source of bad .Xdefault attributes |
| 12:35.24 | Zordrack | anyone know how to troubleshoot codepage/locale/character set ? |
| 12:35.33 | nvz | what I got to do now, is get the word out.. around this area.. not online :P cause I have many places I could hold meetings in mind. and I've got a decent ammount of used hardware recently, I could use if I needed it for anything.. though sadly the big switch I got died on me less than an hour after I turned it on |
| 12:35.58 | caphuso | i'd very surprised if aterm ever read a file named ~/.Xdefault |
| 12:36.07 | kazim | MobyTurbo: oki but don't be sorry :) |
| 12:36.13 | caphuso | s/very/be very/ |
| 12:36.16 | aphexer | Is it possible to install debian remotely? Like put a boot floppy in the computer and then connect to it from a remote computer using ssh or such to install everything? |
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| 12:36.40 | abrotman | aphexer: yes |
| 12:36.52 | aphexer | abrotman: can you give a little pointer in the right direction?:) |
| 12:36.54 | jim | abrotman: describe :) |
| 12:37.01 | jim | that's interesting |
| 12:37.05 | error403 | i used Knoppix livecd |
| 12:37.10 | error403 | hehe |
| 12:37.13 | abrotman | aphexer: should be in the install guide .. i've helped others with installs via ssh |
| 12:37.15 | abrotman | !ig |
| 12:37.16 | dpkg | ig is, like, for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 12:37.39 | trave11er | you need to lower the debconf priority, or do expert install |
| 12:37.43 | jim | abrotman: do they need the base installed first? |
| 12:37.52 | trave11er | then at some point it will ask for extra udebs to install |
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| 12:38.03 | trave11er | there is network-console udeb, or somesuch |
| 12:38.07 | abrotman | jim: no |
| 12:38.18 | trave11er | if you choose to install it, it will run ssh server |
| 12:38.23 | abrotman | jim: you start the installer .. say you want to do it via ssh .. and provide a password |
| 12:39.37 | error403 | i used a Knoppix livecd, started the ssh server blind, set the root password blind, then did a chroot install |
| 12:39.41 | abrotman | i think you need at least hte netinst to do it .. i don't know if the floppies work |
| 12:39.44 | error403 | takes a while tho |
| 12:39.53 | trave11er | the development version of the installer currently featurs a web server written in shell to make the logs available online :-) |
| 12:39.55 | abrotman | deboonf/priority=<blah> |
| 12:40.01 | error403 | because Knoppix has the debootstrap |
| 12:40.28 | Zordrack | anyone know how to get to work in woody ? |
| 12:40.48 | nvz | hmm I thought k3b used cdrdao and not cdrecord.. must have changed or I don't have my facts straight |
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| 12:41.41 | caphuso | nvz: it uses both |
| 12:41.47 | clown_ | trave11er: liable: thanks for asking. I need to build a out-of-kernel module. With the headers from kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-686-smp, I compiles perfectly. However, building kernel-image-2.6.11*.deb from unstable (kernel-source-2.6.11*.deb), including kernel-headers-2.6.11*.deb (make-kpkg binary) produces headers that are totally 'different'. |
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| 12:42.04 | caphuso | nvz: growisofs too, if applicable |
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| 12:42.32 | clown_ | 'Different' meaning that for 2.6.8, the kernel headers seems to be divided over 3 packages (-1-i386, -1-2.6.11 and -1-2.6.11-686-smp). |
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| 12:42.44 | clown_ | s/2.6.11/2.6.8/ |
| 12:42.51 | jim | trave11er: do you happen to know if the experimental 2.6.11-based installer images can work that way? |
| 12:42.58 | jetx | what you do is you substitute |
| 12:43.09 | nvz | caphuso: I thought for some reason it only used cdrdao for burning, and when I installed it, it pulled cdrecord, and only recommened cdrdao. |
| 12:43.09 | trave11er | jim: the mini-iso thing? dunno |
| 12:43.11 | jetx | kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 12:43.42 | trave11er | clown_: you mean, you rebuild the debs from source and it produces broken headers? |
| 12:43.48 | nvz | I grabbed cdrdao and dvd+rw-tools anyhow even though I will probably never use them, as k3b bitches if you dont have them and I get tired of seeing the messages |
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| 12:44.00 | xerophyte | if you wanna specify two ips 192.168.1.22 and 192.168.1.23 does this right form 192.168.1.22/31 |
| 12:44.04 | liable | clown_: I dont quite understand what you have done, can you explain a bit better about the compiled kernel bit. |
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| 12:44.38 | nvz | fuck.. heh I changed my damn theme, and my buttons do different things than I am used to. |
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| 12:44.56 | _joey | does anyone know a site that helps you to choose a motherboards in which you feed info: socket, cpu, lang.. m/b size etc ? |
| 12:44.57 | liable | !pal nvz |
| 12:45.13 | nvz | jonicka: don;t do that ): |
| 12:45.18 | liable | jonicka: why did you do that? |
| 12:45.27 | error403 | jonicka, wtf? |
| 12:45.28 | jetx | jonicka: how could you |
| 12:45.43 | jonicka | I was follwing a irc intro |
| 12:45.50 | error403 | !rape jonicka |
| 12:45.50 | abrotman | bullshit |
| 12:45.56 | error403 | hah |
| 12:45.59 | error403 | doesnt have it |
| 12:46.00 | error403 | hehe |
| 12:46.07 | error403 | haha |
| 12:46.10 | jetx | lewinsky? |
| 12:46.24 | error403 | ... |
| 12:46.27 | error403 | hah |
| 12:46.30 | caphuso | error403: stop |
| 12:46.37 | error403 | ? |
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| 12:46.45 | mk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.51 | abrotman | stop being a jackass is what he meant to say .. i think |
| 12:46.56 | jetx | you hurted heeers feewins! |
| 12:46.57 | error403 | yeah |
| 12:47.02 | cbr | doesnt debian support NPTL? |
| 12:47.13 | abrotman | !nptl |
| 12:47.13 | dpkg | hmm... nptl is Native Posix Threading Library http://ijuz.uugrn.org/nptl-0.60-0/ |
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| 12:47.30 | paulswm | That was all kind of mean I think. |
| 12:47.41 | paulswm | Sunday I suppose. |
| 12:47.43 | jim | mk: well debian needs the mail server, because certain pieces of it send the admin mail |
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| 12:47.47 | nvz | hmm I wonder what my burners max speed is |
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| 12:48.10 | jetx | doesn't say on the tray? |
| 12:48.14 | mk | yeah i know, but i have to disable all that other stuff |
| 12:48.38 | mk | and enforce exim to only listen on a specified adress |
| 12:48.43 | nvz | nope, dmsg says something, but surely its not an 8x |
| 12:48.57 | clown_ | liable: let me rephrase it. apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 gets two (2) packages (kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 and kernel-headers-2.6.8-2). 'make-kpkg binary' only produces one (1) header-related package. |
| 12:48.59 | nvz | hdc: ATAPI DVD+RW 8X4X12, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 12:49.01 | mk | and the other ports are not really needed |
| 12:49.09 | jetx | clown_: yes it does |
| 12:49.14 | nvz | I've burned at 16x or more before.. so that cant be right |
| 12:49.19 | jetx | one is a patch (i believe) |
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| 12:49.33 | jetx | if yo ujust put `uname -r` it will figure out which to use |
| 12:49.43 | trave11er | clown_: yeah. and it does not contain everything you need? |
| 12:49.47 | jetx | nvz i've seen k3b not autodetect well |
| 12:49.49 | jim | mk: see if you can find out which packages are involved with the other ports... as far as the mail thing, you can probably get exim to do what you want |
| 12:49.55 | jetx | if that helps |
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| 12:50.08 | liable | clown_: what are you actually trying to do? Make headers for a 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 12:50.15 | jim | mk, rhwn uninstall those packages |
| 12:50.20 | jetx | install nvidia i bet |
| 12:50.21 | clown_ | traveller: correct. |
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| 12:50.34 | clown_ | liable: correct, to build a out-of-kernel module. |
| 12:50.36 | nvz | jetx: it doesnt auto-detect. it said this is the first time I've ran it with this configuration, then it pulled that line "ATAPI DVD+RW 8X4X12" directly out of dmesg and asked me what the speed was |
| 12:50.43 | jim | clown_: there's kernel-headers already |
| 12:50.52 | liable | clown_: make depends |
| 12:51.00 | nvz | jetx: the kernel provided that information based on who knows what |
| 12:51.05 | jetx | make-kpkg kernel-headers |
| 12:51.08 | clown_ | jim: I need a patched kernel. |
| 12:51.09 | mk | hm im replacing inetd with xinetd |
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| 12:51.23 | trave11er | clown_: what kind of errors are you getting? |
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| 12:51.55 | mk | ah that already helped |
| 12:51.58 | clown_ | travelling: /usr/src/kernel-headers*/include being incomplete |
| 12:52.00 | kjparker | any idea how I would fix this? (wb_ntlmauth)[3218](wb_ntlm_auth.c:416): Can't contact winbindd. Dying |
| 12:52.11 | clown_ | traveller: /usr/src/kernel-headers*/include being incomplete |
| 12:52.25 | trave11er | clown_: like missing .h files? |
| 12:52.28 | kjparker | i have verified that winbind is running by wbinfo -p and get a response |
| 12:52.28 | jetx | nvidia? |
| 12:52.34 | jim | clown_: you can and probably should use make-kpkg to build the kernel image and kernel headers package |
| 12:52.38 | abrotman | #samba |
| 12:52.43 | liable | clown_: If you have a patched kernel source, then you will have made the kernel, and therefore have headers for it. |
| 12:52.51 | jetx | do make-kpkp --targets |
| 12:52.54 | clown_ | traveller: asm not in place, e.g. |
| 12:52.58 | jetx | or g even |
| 12:53.01 | abrotman | kjparker: #samba |
| 12:53.15 | clown_ | liable: no, that kernel has been compiled on a different machine so /usr/src/linux isn't available. |
| 12:53.16 | jim | liable: that doesn't quite follow for all cases :) |
| 12:53.47 | clown_ | jim: which I did but produces incomplete (at least, not usable) headers... |
| 12:53.50 | trave11er | clown_: well, as other people say, if you have built a patched kernel already, you have the complete configured tree which you can use to build your module |
| 12:54.22 | nvz | seems like just this week I organized my desk, and its so clusterfucked already that I have no room for my speakers |
| 12:54.22 | clown_ | traveller: but the kernel source tree is on a different machine... |
| 12:54.24 | jim | clown_: for one thing, you don't need the headers if you have the source |
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| 12:54.29 | dorijan | anyone have an idea what this kernel compile error could be : http://pastebin.com/304201/ |
| 12:54.36 | jim | oh, ok |
| 12:54.40 | clown_ | jim: i don't have the source on THIS machine. |
| 12:54.41 | nvz | oh well, I will plug in a phono extension and some ear phones |
| 12:54.42 | trave11er | clown_: when building official -headers packages, there is quite a bit of doctoring involved |
| 12:54.44 | kjparker | i'm in there, but it's so quiet i could hear a pin drop! :) |
| 12:54.51 | jim | yeah, just read that |
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| 12:55.09 | jim | doctor doctor gimme the news... |
| 12:55.34 | clown_ | traveller: Where can I find that documention? I'm currently looking into the source-package producing those stock Debian-kernels... |
| 12:55.51 | jim | kjparker: if you heard a pin drop, run! the hand grenade could be in your hand! |
| 12:56.01 | nvz | !piav |
| 12:56.02 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 12:56.03 | trave11er | clown_: sadly, there is not too much documentation around |
| 12:56.08 | jim | oh, drop the grenade first too |
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| 12:56.17 | trave11er | clown_: i suggest the following: |
| 12:56.29 | trave11er | clown_: get the source for the official kernel image |
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| 12:56.37 | Jacky^ | hi all |
| 12:56.39 | kazim | aterm seams to no longer read my .Xdefault :/ anyone have and idea |
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| 12:56.45 | trave11er | apt-get source kernel-image-... |
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| 12:56.55 | trave11er | clown_: install all the build-deps |
| 12:56.56 | Jon | hi anyone. I'm writing an email to a company to request they open their source. I was wondering if anyone knew of some similar letters published which I could look at to gain inspiration |
| 12:57.05 | nvz | you would probably want to hold on to the granade, or throw it. dropping and running is the worst thing you could do. |
| 12:57.11 | Jacky^ | cannot get http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/testing/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 12:57.13 | tarzeau | Jon: what company is it? |
| 12:57.15 | trave11er | clown_: run something like fakeroot debian/rules flavours=686 unpack |
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| 12:57.18 | tarzeau | Jon: and which sources? |
| 12:57.26 | Jacky^ | what i'm missing ? |
| 12:57.32 | liable | Jacky^: try another server |
| 12:57.33 | trave11er | clown_: that will unpack a tree somewhere |
| 12:57.40 | trave11er | clown_: you can patch it |
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| 12:57.51 | Jacky^ | liable: ok.. |
| 12:58.00 | trave11er | clown_: and then run fakeroot debian/rules flavours=686 binary |
| 12:58.01 | jim | non-us no longer exists, that right? |
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| 12:58.03 | tarzeau | Jon: here's one for example: http://www.petitiononline.com/laafs/petition.html |
| 12:58.08 | nvz | you have to push in the trigger to remove the pin, and as long as you hold it in, it wont expload |
| 12:58.15 | trave11er | clown_: this should produce the correct headers |
| 12:58.28 | jcdubacq | hi |
| 12:58.45 | jcdubacq | is there a channel for X11 technical discussions ? |
| 12:58.45 | jim | nvz: but he said he heard a pin drop... |
| 12:58.47 | Jon | tarzeau: cheers |
| 12:58.51 | trave11er | clown_: and i'll discuss the brokennes of the headers packages made by make-kpkg with kernel-package maintainer |
| 12:59.05 | clown_ | traveller: yeah, that is exactly I'm now trying to do (although a bit different, I am changing debian/rules a bit). |
| 12:59.06 | liable | Jacky^: where did you get that source list anyway? |
| 12:59.14 | jcdubacq | or Xorg ? |
| 12:59.19 | liable | Jacky^: read the topic |
| 12:59.23 | tarzeau | jcdubacq: no |
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| 12:59.26 | clown_ | traveller: why are they 'different'? |
| 12:59.38 | jim | non-us no longer exists, that right? |
| 12:59.40 | clown_ | traveller: why are they 'split up'? |
| 12:59.41 | lovdahls | how can I decrease the speed of my mouse (in gnome)? I've set it to lowest possible in the mouse preferences |
| 12:59.42 | tarzeau | !non-us |
| 12:59.43 | dpkg | i heard non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 12:59.46 | liable | Jacky^: yes |
| 12:59.46 | lovdahls | but it's still too fast |
| 12:59.48 | tarzeau | lovdahls: man xset |
| 12:59.50 | drac | jcdubacq: #xorg ? |
| 12:59.55 | liable | jim: yes |
| 13:00.04 | drac | jcdubacq: or #xfree86 |
| 13:00.04 | Jacky^ | liable: thabnks |
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| 13:00.07 | nvz | jim: it hasnt really existed for a long time. it was just your imagination |
| 13:00.12 | jcdubacq | thaks |
| 13:00.16 | kjparker | this proxy is doing my head in..... :( |
| 13:00.16 | trave11er | clown_: because the official ones are split into the common part (kernel-headers-version) and flavour-dependent part (kernel-headers-version-flavour) |
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| 13:00.35 | kjparker | if I could just figure out why it cant see windbind, i would be set! :) |
| 13:00.37 | jim | I need a better imagination |
| 13:00.51 | Phated | Don't we all. Except paulswm. |
| 13:00.56 | jim | I need one at least as good as Gary Willis |
| 13:01.03 | trave11er | clown_: that requires creation of a bunch of symbolic links, so that tree in the /usr/src/kernel-headers-version-flavour appears complete |
| 13:01.12 | FieldySnuts | !date paulswm |
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| 13:01.24 | Phated | Are not. |
| 13:01.27 | Phated | Oh, wait. |
| 13:01.28 | Phated | Are. |
| 13:01.31 | FieldySnuts | Phated: heh. last night it set up nvz and caphuso. |
| 13:01.33 | clown_ | traveller: and there is no easy way to mimic that with 'make-kpkg'... ? |
| 13:01.44 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hahah. |
| 13:01.47 | Phated | !date FieldySnuts |
| 13:01.53 | FieldySnuts | Phated: I decided to go away for a while :P |
| 13:01.54 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
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| 13:01.57 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Heh. |
| 13:01.58 | trave11er | clown_: the fact that headers target in make-kpkg is broken is news to me |
| 13:01.58 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 13:02.00 | Phated | EEEEK. |
| 13:02.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:02.17 | dpryo | How do one get KDE to show ALL my xfonts? It only shows like ten of them, though xfontsel shows them all. |
| 13:02.27 | liable | too much botabuse eh? |
| 13:02.28 | clown_ | traveller: not sure if it is actually broken, but it is unusable for me. |
| 13:02.36 | Guerin | liable: film at 11 |
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| 13:02.38 | lovdahls | tarzeau: still can't get it slow enough |
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| 13:03.16 | trave11er | clown_: maybe it's just a matter of asm -> asm-i386 symbolic link not being created? |
| 13:03.23 | liable | Guerin: ?? |
| 13:03.33 | tarzeau | lovdahls: well read it again |
| 13:03.43 | tarzeau | lovdahls: what's the xset command you use? |
| 13:03.44 | jim | dpryo: you just answered your own question |
| 13:03.44 | Guerin | liable: because botabuse in #debian is such a rare occurrence. |
| 13:03.49 | clown_ | traveller: to conclude, apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 is usable, getting kernel-source-2.6.8*.deb and producing headers with make-kpkg results in unusable headers. |
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| 13:04.05 | lovdahls | tarzeau: I tried different 'xset m integer1 integer2' commands |
| 13:04.06 | clown_ | traveller: if it only was that simple... No, first thing I checked ofc... ;-) |
| 13:04.07 | nvz | caphuso: I guess you weren't ammused by that either. I don't think we should see each other anymore, you're just not my type :P |
| 13:04.12 | liable | Guerin: heh |
| 13:04.14 | lovdahls | tarzeau: I got it much faster, but not slower |
| 13:04.19 | trave11er | clown_: do you have both installed? |
| 13:04.20 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: how out of date is sarge's gnustep? |
| 13:04.32 | tarzeau | lovdahls: read the manual |
| 13:04.36 | clown_ | traveller: only for different kernel versions. |
| 13:04.40 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: not too bad, it's pretty actual |
| 13:04.47 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: 0.9.4 instead of 0.9.5 |
| 13:04.49 | lovdahls | tarzeau: especially which part? |
| 13:04.52 | streuner | nvz: and i thought you are married :-) |
| 13:04.58 | FieldySnuts | cheater! |
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| 13:05.00 | trave11er | clown_: can you get a list of files from each tree and compare them? |
| 13:05.00 | liable | clown_: can you get the patched source? |
| 13:05.04 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: and 0.9.6 is near. when it's out. sarge gnustep is stoneage |
| 13:05.19 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: gnustep-gui-common is 0.9.5... |
| 13:05.24 | clown_ | traveller: I will do that. |
| 13:05.27 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: but no fear. uber-tarzeau is gonna make a new gnustep live cd deluxe! |
| 13:05.34 | streuner | play in #debian-bots - much more fun :-P |
| 13:05.35 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: yay! |
| 13:05.36 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: yeah but -gui is what's important |
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| 13:05.55 | dpryo | jim: So you've got no idea? |
| 13:05.57 | nvz | streuner: please.. I am way too picky to be married I haven't interviewed every woman on earth yet |
| 13:06.14 | streuner | nvz: DOH |
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| 13:06.19 | nvz | streuner: even if I had, I probably would start seeking outside sources |
| 13:06.20 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: libgnustep-gui0.9 in Sarge is also 0.95-1 |
| 13:06.27 | jim | nvz: better start approaching :P |
| 13:06.29 | MobyTurbo | s/95/9\.5/ |
| 13:06.39 | ep | No mouse movement after bootup this AM. Works if I boot to the other OS. Been working fine for many moons, this is the first time this has happened. |
| 13:06.51 | FieldySnuts | usb mouce? |
| 13:06.52 | ep | Suggestions to fix? |
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| 13:06.58 | streuner | nvz: you know what what G. Straw said about? |
| 13:07.10 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: hm wait, sarge is on 0.9.5 then, but my live cd is still 0.9.4 |
| 13:07.20 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: bummer. |
| 13:07.22 | nvz | streuner: umm no? I don't even understand what you are saying |
| 13:07.23 | kooll | ep: is X working ? (keyboard still works?) |
| 13:07.25 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: yeah true. and 0.9.6 will have the binary incompatibitlies |
| 13:07.27 | Jacky^ | liable: if I understand well i should remove the line: deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main, no need it for testing right ? |
| 13:07.36 | ep | yes i'm in X (KDE) now |
| 13:07.37 | paulswm | "smelly couple"?? |
| 13:07.42 | FieldySnuts | anyway if it's a usb mouse, i suggest using a ps/2 one instead. tend to have far less problems. |
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| 13:07.59 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: why bummer? 0.9.5 and 0.9.4 aren't that different |
| 13:08.00 | jim | Jacky^: yeah, same true for current stable, which is sarge |
| 13:08.07 | FieldySnuts | using a usb mouse here... with a usb -> ps/2 adapter |
| 13:08.09 | liable | Jacky^: yes |
| 13:08.13 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: only thing you get to run is emacs.app |
| 13:08.15 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: OK, maybe I used too harsh words. :-) |
| 13:08.16 | Jacky^ | jim: okay, thanks a lot :D |
| 13:08.17 | trave11er | clown_: note that if you use find for that, you need to make it follow symbolic links... -follow or something |
| 13:08.20 | liable | Jacky^: it is no more |
| 13:08.25 | nvz | doh! I told k3b I wanted to make an audio cd.. I wanted to make an mp3 cd |
| 13:08.36 | FieldySnuts | nvz: tell it data cd |
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| 13:09.01 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: really without software like "Pages.app" gnustep won't be able to break-through |
| 13:09.17 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: sun.com is really a bitch about going to find their lighthouse design applications |
| 13:09.25 | paulswm | !test |
| 13:09.42 | clown_ | traveller: what is kernel-kbuild-2.6, and how does it relate to headers? |
| 13:09.54 | paulswm | dpkg is +q'ed again? |
| 13:09.59 | asg | yes |
| 13:09.59 | liable | no paulswm your not online :P (no dpkg) |
| 13:10.02 | norton | Ive tried to get cdrecord to work, but its the same error all the time. cdrecord: Cannot fixate disk. I've tried both linux 2.6 with ata and 2.4 with scsi emulation. But the problem remains. Does anyone have a tip on what to do? |
| 13:10.08 | nvz | FieldySnuts: yeah, I figured that out when it said my disc was full already... but I had some 25 songs on there already |
| 13:10.12 | paulswm | Who the hell died and made someone king of dpkg? |
| 13:10.15 | trave11er | clown_: it contains the scripts subdir of the configured kernel tree |
| 13:10.24 | Phated | paulswm: I did, apparently. :( |
| 13:10.26 | FieldySnuts | ouch |
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| 13:10.38 | FieldySnuts | what the heck kind of bitrate are you using that you can only stick 25 mp3's on there? |
| 13:10.40 | trave11er | clown_: and is pulled in by kernel-headers-version-flavour as a dependency |
| 13:10.56 | nvz | FieldySnuts: I choose audio cd.. thats why it said I was over |
| 13:10.56 | clown_ | traveller: how can I include that in my own headers? |
| 13:11.00 | FieldySnuts | i was able to make all 5 cd's of johnny cash's unearthed onto one mp3 cd with room to spare at 312Kbps |
| 13:11.05 | FieldySnuts | nvz: oh. |
| 13:11.15 | initech | FieldySnuts: well, that is a worth cause |
| 13:11.21 | nvz | I can usually fit 100 or more on a data cd |
| 13:11.23 | initech | worthy i mean |
| 13:11.32 | trave11er | clown_: it does not include them automatically? |
| 13:11.38 | nvz | the one I have now is stale though, got too many songs on it I dont want to hear |
| 13:11.46 | lovdahls | tarzeau: I can't find anything giving me any hints in the manual |
| 13:11.58 | clown_ | traveller: compiling the module also complains about 'scripts/gcc-version.sh' not being available. |
| 13:12.12 | nvz | I am glad to have my cheap made in china, GPX MP3/CD player back though.. works much better than my old Panisonic CD Player |
| 13:12.24 | clown_ | traveller: no, it doesn't get included... |
| 13:12.30 | FieldySnuts | tired of most of the stuff i have or that's on local radio, maybe i'll finally add xm and or sirius to the damn radio, wish i could use one antenna though, and temporary dash-mounted too |
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| 13:12.47 | tarzeau | lovdahls: tried xset -h yet? |
| 13:12.53 | nvz | takes 15sec to buffer 120sec of mp3, and the cd stops spinning, I can jog with this thing if I wanted.. I just have to take 15sec breaks every minute and a half :P |
| 13:12.54 | tarzeau | lovdahls: m [acc_mult[/acc_div] [thr]] m default |
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| 13:13.25 | liable | thanks caphuso |
| 13:13.26 | abrotman | wb dpkg |
| 13:13.26 | caphuso | the next time i get to see excessive bot abuse, i'm not going to stop it by quieting the bot |
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| 13:13.37 | trave11er | clown_: that sucks |
| 13:13.38 | caphuso | understood? |
| 13:13.46 | liable | fair nough |
| 13:13.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: so did i |
| 13:14.01 | tarzeau | !slap abrotman |
| 13:14.04 | lovdahls | tarzeau: well.. xset: unknown option -h :p |
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| 13:14.10 | lovdahls | you mean --help? |
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| 13:14.16 | caphuso | obviously not... |
| 13:14.32 | abrotman | ok .. fairly confused here .. but whatever |
| 13:14.40 | liable | awwww, bit harsh? |
| 13:14.54 | kazim | aterm seams to no longer read my .Xdefault :/ anyone have and idea |
| 13:15.00 | clown_ | traveller: :-) |
| 13:15.25 | tarzeau2 | abrotman: what have you been doing? |
| 13:15.26 | appaji | kazim: it is .Xdefaults and not .Xdefault |
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| 13:15.46 | abrotman | tarzeau2: i didn't do anything . i have no fucking clue what's going on here |
| 13:15.47 | Zordrack | anyone know how to make international characters work in woody ? |
| 13:15.56 | kazim | appaji: i made a fault here but it's with s on conf :/ |
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| 13:15.59 | tarzeau2 | abrotman: neither have i, i just got the last few lines :) |
| 13:16.00 | trave11er | clown_: the bad thing is that if fixed, it will probably break the builds of official -headers packages :-P |
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| 13:16.04 | paulswm | Evidently one call to dpkg is "excessive bot abuse" |
| 13:16.11 | paulswm | I'll just +1 myself |
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| 13:16.27 | Phated | paulswm: Two, actually. I made it happeeeeen. *hara kiri* |
| 13:16.42 | FieldySnuts | gone dear |
| 13:16.52 | lovdahls | tarzeau2: what did you mean by 'xset -h'? |
| 13:16.59 | FieldySnuts | meh. resume hit!... for stuff my resume doesn't even talk about. |
| 13:17.06 | tarzeau2 | lovdahls: i pasted you the line you need, go read backwards |
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| 13:17.16 | lovdahls | tarzeau2: yea I know |
| 13:17.25 | lovdahls | tarzeau2: I've tried it |
| 13:17.42 | tarzeau2 | lovdahls: what command did you fucking exactly try? |
| 13:17.46 | clown_ | traveller: copying scripts over from kernel-source*.deb doesn't help as well, since all needed *.c files aren't compiled (like fixdep.c -> no fixdep). |
| 13:17.48 | appaji | kazim: check if aterm uses something like ~/.aterm (like mrxvt uses ~/.mrxvt) if it finds that first |
| 13:17.57 | appaji | kazim: and if you have that |
| 13:18.01 | clown_ | traveller: BAH |
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| 13:18.07 | caphuso | aterm queries the X server for X resources |
| 13:18.20 | lovdahls | tarzeau2: xset m 1 100 |
| 13:18.26 | lovdahls | and 1000, and 10000 |
| 13:18.27 | tarzeau2 | lovdahls: what about you try this: |
| 13:18.30 | FieldySnuts | ~/.Xresources ? |
| 13:18.30 | apt | ~/.Xresources is the new file that replaces ~/.Xdefaults for X resources. Use \"xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources\" after modifying it. |
| 13:18.34 | caphuso | so use ~/.Xresources and maybe an appropriate xrdb -merge in your ~/.xsession |
| 13:18.39 | FieldySnuts | didn't mean to trigger apt. |
| 13:18.58 | asg | FieldySnuts: that was relevant to the discussion, I wouldn't consider it abuse. |
| 13:18.59 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: well, that was actually an useful one |
| 13:19.01 | liable | botabuse :P |
| 13:19.18 | liable | hehe |
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| 13:19.29 | liable | FieldySnuts: what are you :P |
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| 13:19.47 | FieldySnuts | a plauge on the channel? :( |
| 13:20.00 | tarzeau | lovdahls: xset 1/20 20 ? |
| 13:20.20 | lovdahls | tarzeau: you probably mean xset m.. :P |
| 13:20.24 | kazim | caphuso: that work great for Xressource thx |
| 13:20.25 | tarzeau | lovdahls: yes |
| 13:20.32 | lovdahls | hm |
| 13:20.35 | lovdahls | this is a bit better |
| 13:20.54 | tarzeau | lovdahls: now increase the divisor number |
| 13:20.55 | lovdahls | though, it's still a bit fast |
| 13:20.58 | lovdahls | ok |
| 13:21.06 | tarzeau | lovdahls: no idea what the thr value is by default, but 20 is horrible |
| 13:21.18 | trave11er | clown_: one way how you can make it work is to use make-kpkg hooks to call a script which will DTRT |
| 13:21.39 | nvz | bah, cplay locked up on me |
| 13:21.39 | trave11er | clown_: look for HEADER_CLEAN_HOOK in man make-kpkg |
| 13:21.48 | clown_ | traveller: DTRT? |
| 13:21.49 | lovdahls | tarzeau: it's not getting slower :/ |
| 13:21.51 | dan2 | asg: !! |
| 13:21.56 | lovdahls | tarzeau: looks like it's as slow as it can be already |
| 13:22.04 | trave11er | clown_: do the right thing |
| 13:22.12 | clown_ | traveller: :-) |
| 13:22.30 | nvz | maybe not, seems mpg123 locked up on me |
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| 13:22.49 | abrotman | dan2: ! |
| 13:23.01 | trave11er | clown_: the debian/rules for the official kernels use that, so you can look it up there |
| 13:23.01 | nvz | grr.. and it seems its going to keep doing it |
| 13:23.15 | dan2 | abrotman: yo |
| 13:23.20 | abrotman | dan2: ! |
| 13:23.25 | trave11er | clown_: but that's going to be quite a challenge to get right, probably |
| 13:23.29 | dan2 | abrotman!! |
| 13:23.31 | abrotman | dan2: ! |
| 13:23.35 | Belboz99 | hey, my hard drive won't boot, it reboots at the part where GRUB is supposed to take over. Would formatting the partition and reinstalling Debian solve the problem? |
| 13:23.36 | dan2 | abrotman: !! |
| 13:23.38 | clown_ | traveller: in kernel-image-2.6.11 source package, there is a directory 'config', containing .config's for 386, 686, 686-smp and so on. There is also a 'default' which is remarkably smaller in size. What is that 'default' file? |
| 13:23.43 | abrotman | dan2: sly fox was good! |
| 13:23.50 | dan2 | abrotman: damn straight |
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| 13:24.26 | Jefo | hello, is there a german channel for debian? |
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| 13:24.33 | abrotman | !de |
| 13:24.34 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 13:24.45 | abrotman | Jefo: ^^ |
| 13:24.49 | asg | dan2: morning |
| 13:24.55 | trave11er | clown_: default is the config used to build the headers |
| 13:24.58 | Jefo | unfriendly.. |
| 13:25.09 | abrotman | Jefo: no idea why that's there ... |
| 13:25.16 | FieldySnuts | they are. |
| 13:25.23 | trave11er | clown_: it is pretty much a leftover from the old days |
| 13:25.23 | Belboz99 | so, does anyone know if formatting a root partition would solve my problems? |
| 13:25.27 | abrotman | i don't speak german .. i wouldn't know the difference :) |
| 13:25.37 | trave11er | clown_: in practice, you can use 686 config for that too |
| 13:25.41 | clown_ | traveller: could I replace that with any (for my kernel valid) .config? |
| 13:25.43 | FieldySnuts | i understand enough, but suck at creating it |
| 13:25.44 | liable | Belboz99: maybe just re-install grub. |
| 13:25.47 | trave11er | clown_: yes |
| 13:26.14 | clown_ | traveller: ah, ok. |
| 13:26.23 | Belboz99 | liable, I tried that, but It didn't work. Can you give me a link on how to do that properly? or describe the best method? |
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| 13:27.12 | Belboz99 | liable, can I reinstall GRUB using the Debian installation disk? |
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| 13:27.23 | nvz | oh well, looks like I am purging mpg123, its getting on my nerves |
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| 13:27.31 | fbf__ | hi all |
| 13:27.38 | liable | Belboz99: meh, boot the install cd, give it root=/dev/hdfoo, run grub |
| 13:27.38 | dvs | ciao |
| 13:27.52 | Belboz99 | okay, thanks! |
| 13:27.57 | nvz | wtf, it says mpg123 is not installed |
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| 13:28.17 | caphuso | nvz: ls -l /etc/alternatives/mpg123 |
| 13:28.18 | drac | mpg321 |
| 13:29.20 | fbf__ | i have a question: why in your opinion i can't mount a shfs partition as a normal user even if i have shfsmount with suid bit? (it works with root user) |
| 13:29.26 | nvz | caphuso: I just figured that out :P |
| 13:29.31 | nvz | then its mpg321 thats annoying me |
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| 13:30.24 | nvz | I think madplay will work as a drop-in replacement |
| 13:31.30 | nvz | bah, madplay isnt working either.. wtf just happened |
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| 13:31.46 | asg | fbf__: try mounting it to a directory in your $HOME and see if that works. |
| 13:32.08 | ep | I tried converted my usb mouse to ps2 by adding an adaptor, unfortunely i still have a frozen mouse cursor. This is weird because I've been plugin along for 6 mo's or so with no problems. |
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| 13:32.19 | nvz | I need to go eat breakfast, I am too irritable for something like this to happen when I am trying to make a cd |
| 13:32.35 | jim | fbf__: can't mount anything as a normal user unless you have mentioned it in fstab and flagged it with the user flag |
| 13:32.44 | liable | ep: upgraded the kernel though? |
| 13:32.53 | ep | yes, some time back |
| 13:33.14 | ep | the mouse worked afterwards, this just happened on boot this morning |
| 13:33.30 | ep | also the mouse works if i boot to windows |
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| 13:34.36 | nvz | even starting an artsd, I cant play from k3b either.. bah! I am going to make some food so I am more collected, and can smack this system around until it decides to ackrite again |
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| 13:34.50 | liable | ep: hmmm, /msg dpkg usbmouse what did you do to make it stop working? |
| 13:35.10 | ep | beats me :) |
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| 13:35.19 | fbf__ | jim: the flags in the fstab is rw,user,noauto (and i try umask=000 too) |
| 13:35.33 | fbf__ | asg: it works if i mount on my home |
| 13:35.40 | fbf__ | ash: thank yoU! |
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| 13:36.04 | jim | oh, I guess you have to have permission on the dir |
| 13:36.10 | ep | dpkg is vactioning along with my mouse |
| 13:36.36 | liable | ep: no its not |
| 13:36.54 | liable | !hi |
| 13:36.54 | fbf__ | jim: yes, ty |
| 13:36.54 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 13:37.11 | fbf__ | jim: resolved, i mount it in my home dir |
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| 13:37.53 | fbf__ | jim: shfs is cool, together with dsa keys for ssh |
| 13:39.41 | fbf__ | a cool think may be a way to mount my shfs dir directly from kde (konqueror) without the need for a shell, any suggestion? |
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| 13:41.42 | FieldySnuts | automounting == insecure |
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| 13:44.03 | mamhlxde | i have installed debian 3.1 offic. on my acer tm2303. i dont get graphical desktop after rebooting. i get: /etc/reS.d/S36discover:line204: 933 segmentation fault modprobe $MODULE - what is this - is my dvd correct? |
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| 13:44.32 | fbf__ | not automonting, i was thinking about something in the contestual menu of konqueror... maybe some kind of plugin |
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| 13:46.41 | clown_ | trave11er: should I file a bug against make-kpkg not including 'scripts' in kernel-headers? |
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| 13:47.39 | faileddisk | is there anyone here who is familiar with LVM? I had a intelligence lapse and ran a vgremove -a and it got rid of my lvm partition, and I'm wondering if there is a way to get it back. |
| 13:47.39 | FieldySnuts | clown_: go for it. if they disagree, you'll find out. |
| 13:47.53 | js_ | faileddisk: #lvm is active |
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| 13:48.16 | trave11er | clown_: yeah, and mention other stuff as well |
| 13:48.17 | michael | if you skipped setting up the network in the installation, how can one start the network setup again? |
| 13:48.42 | faileddisk | js_ nopw, I asked yesterday/last night and haven't gotten a response. I've been up for 18 hours trying to figure it out.. I wouldn't ask here if I hadn't tried everything else |
| 13:48.52 | js_ | oh |
| 13:49.18 | faileddisk | js_: yeah.. I'm hoping someone is here who may know, that doesn't idle there.. |
| 13:50.29 | michael | is there a network configurator for debian, or do i need to edit /etc/network/interfaces myself? |
| 13:50.53 | fbf__ | michael: what kind of network you have to configure? |
| 13:50.54 | initech | fbf__: konqueror? ug, fish://hostname |
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| 13:51.54 | michael | fbf__: eth0 to use dhcp |
| 13:52.14 | fbf__ | initech: yes, but this is not what i need. I need maybe a kio slave that mount a dir on demand looking in the fstab |
| 13:52.16 | dvs | michael: Pfft! That's six words in your interfaces file |
| 13:52.33 | asg | michael: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage |
| 13:52.38 | initech | fbf__: uhh, use autofs and nfs. that's what it's for |
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| 13:53.46 | lef | hm, is there a log file for exim4 other than /var/log/exim4/mainlog? I am not receiving or sending emails but I get no error messages |
| 13:53.53 | michael | dvs: yes, no problem for me. its my friend that wants to configure. |
| 13:54.02 | michael | but alright ill tell him to change the file |
| 13:54.06 | asg | lef: /var/log/exim4/rejectlog, /var/log/exim4/paniclog |
| 13:54.10 | michael | asg: thanks |
| 13:54.22 | dvs | michael: might need dhclient as well |
| 13:54.27 | asg | lef: also, do some debugging with /usr/sbin/exim4 [-d] -bt |
| 13:55.19 | lef | asg, these files do no exist :/ |
| 13:55.25 | michael | dvs: he has it |
| 13:55.33 | asg | lef: did you configure exim4? dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 13:56.25 | SaidinUnleashed | do I need the kernel source to compile the thinkpad modules? |
| 13:56.36 | nvz | yep, nothing like a computer annoying you to make you realize how hungry you are |
| 13:56.37 | dvs | SaidinUnleashed: just the header files |
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| 13:56.39 | fbf__ | initech: ty, but i dont like autofs too much, i'll prefer some kind of plugin that add a voice to contestual menu ok konq ("mount this dir" for example) |
| 13:56.57 | lef | asg, I just migrated servers so I only copied my exim4 exim4.conf.template & update-exim4.conf.conf and I ran update-exim4.conf |
| 13:57.09 | nvz | judging by how quickly I whipped up all this food, laziness is overcome by hunger |
| 13:57.12 | dvs | yesp, nothing like a computer annoying you to see how fragile they are. |
| 13:57.20 | asg | lef: check /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated exists? |
| 13:57.28 | lef | asg, yes it does |
| 13:57.34 | dondelelcaro | nvz: the alternative is dying, the ultimate form of laziness... |
| 13:57.50 | dvs | or being a politician |
| 13:58.03 | asg | lef: then I'd start seeing what 'exim4 -bt user' says |
| 13:58.04 | dondelelcaro | dvs: even that involves doing something |
| 13:58.11 | dvs | breathing? |
| 13:58.17 | lef | asg, trying that now |
| 13:58.27 | dondelelcaro | dvs: it takes serious "effort" to "govern" |
| 13:58.45 | lef | asg, shall I replace 'user' with a valid username? |
| 13:58.51 | asg | lef: yes |
| 13:58.58 | asg | lef: both a local one and an offsite address |
| 13:59.00 | leumaS | when burning DVDs I get no display of "FIFO buffer" or "Device buffer" in k3b it works when burning CDs. is this normal behaviour? |
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| 13:59.43 | lef | asg, the output seems fine for a local user |
| 13:59.51 | lef | asg, trying for a remote address |
| 13:59.58 | nvz | yeah politics isnt easy.. I'd know I've been doing political footwork since I was a child |
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| 14:01.28 | nvz | the nice thing is, I've never actually been a politician myself, so I dont have to do work much more than once a year.. though there is always stuff to be done.. its just that once a year is when people really notice and appreciate it |
| 14:01.29 | initech | fbf__: i'm still trying to figure out if what you just said makes any sense at all |
| 14:01.35 | lef | asg, ok dnslookup fails for some addresses, it works for others (talking about remote address). |
| 14:01.47 | lef | asg, I still don't understand why I do not receive emails though |
| 14:02.05 | asg | lef: is the daemon listening on 25? can you test it with telnet? |
| 14:02.35 | asg | lef: you may want to follow the SMTP testing part of greycat's tutorial (/msg dpkg mail tutorial) |
| 14:02.56 | lef | asg, you are right. Exim4 seems to be running but I can not connect on port 25 |
| 14:03.10 | lef | asg, hm, I did connect now |
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| 14:03.19 | lef | asg, yes I will read the tutorial, thank you |
| 14:03.23 | asg | lef: you're welcome |
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| 14:04.20 | Langly1 | /etc/modules is the correct folder for added modules that need to be started on startup correct? |
| 14:04.36 | nvz | Langly1: its not a folder |
| 14:04.44 | nvz | !folder |
| 14:04.45 | dpkg | methinks folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
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| 14:04.50 | Langly1 | I know |
| 14:04.51 | nvz | Langly1: its not even a directory |
| 14:04.58 | Langly1 | Im talking about added the name to that |
| 14:05.01 | Langly1 | sheesh |
| 14:05.04 | Langly1 | your idiots |
| 14:05.07 | Langly1 | Duh |
| 14:05.14 | Langly1 | I mean adding the name to the file |
| 14:05.16 | fbf__ | initech: try: i can mount a remote volume in a easy way from the shell ("mount ibook"). I was wondering if i can do this easy thing without the use of the shell from konqueror (not automonting, mounting manually but "gui way"). |
| 14:05.18 | Langly1 | pit heads |
| 14:05.22 | Langly1 | [ot heads |
| 14:05.25 | Langly1 | pot heads |
| 14:05.29 | Guerin | !swym Langly1 |
| 14:05.30 | Langly1 | Errm |
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| 14:05.31 | Langly1 | sheehs |
| 14:05.37 | nvz | Langly1: read /etc/init.d/modutils sometime |
| 14:05.38 | Langly1 | I need to wake up sorry |
| 14:05.41 | Guerin | Langly1: please to be less stupid. |
| 14:05.43 | Langly1 | i did say folder didnt i |
| 14:05.51 | Langly1 | Sorry working on 4 comps at once |
| 14:05.57 | lef | asg, erm, I know all these things that the turotial covers. I guess my problem is exim4 related |
| 14:05.59 | Langly1 | crossed two questions somehow |
| 14:06.03 | Langly1 | sorry |
| 14:06.03 | initech | fbf__: uh, automounting is the only way, everything else is retarded. that's my opinion |
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| 14:06.15 | Langly1 | let me rephrase |
| 14:06.23 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 14:06.27 | Buenos | hi |
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| 14:06.42 | Langly1 | /etc/modules is the correct file for listing modules that need to be started on startup correct? |
| 14:06.44 | Langly1 | that better |
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| 14:06.53 | Buenos | who does speak russian? |
| 14:07.00 | shingouz | !ru |
| 14:07.01 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 14:07.02 | Langly1 | russians |
| 14:07.05 | thingfish | I read it. |
| 14:07.13 | thingfish | can speak a few words. |
| 14:07.30 | amorphix | i got no sound :-( |
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| 14:07.44 | Buenos | oh, thank you! ;-) |
| 14:07.49 | zdom | hi all, i just setup a system with 3 HDD, 1 x 40G for sarge (os), 2 x 120G running software raid. I would like to know what should i do if the 40G fail? how can i save the data from the raid? |
| 14:07.58 | shingouz | amorphix: put yourself into the audio group, logout and login |
| 14:08.10 | nvz | I got sound, and I _was_ listening to music.. but now anything I try to play my mp3s with, just hangs.. so join the party |
| 14:08.18 | amorphix | shingouz: thanks :D |
| 14:08.26 | asg | lef: well try connecting from an offsite machine, speaking SMTP, and see if any errors show up. Also, verify exim4 is listening on relevant interfaces. Finally, verify /etc/resolv.conf is configured correctly. |
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| 14:08.43 | mwilson | zdom: You replace the 40 gb, of course. Why would you lose what's on the RAID? |
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| 14:09.00 | Langly1 | sorry about that guys |
| 14:09.17 | zdom | mwilson, is that mean i just reinstall the OS, and tell the OS there is a raid 1 within the system during install is fine? just don't format it? |
| 14:09.18 | Langly1 | over multitasking i got mental crosslinking of my questions |
| 14:09.21 | Langly1 | :P |
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| 14:10.02 | zdom | arnegoetje yes, the 2 x 120G is software raid |
| 14:10.22 | valdyn | zdom: you backup your "os" disk. |
| 14:10.29 | mwilson | zdom: Why would you format it, if you want to save the data? |
| 14:10.47 | zdom | valdyn, you mean i have to backup the OS disk? |
| 14:10.52 | nvz | well 3 eggs scramled, 2 hash brown patties, 5 bacon stips, 4 pieces of toast, and a glass of milk later... I think I am ready to figure out what the hell is wrong with muh PC |
| 14:11.00 | lef | asg, I the case of incoming emails the problem is that my server is not listening on port 25 (although exim4 is running!), while in the case of outgoing emails, it does not correctly resovle the domain I am trying to email. |
| 14:11.11 | zdom | mwilson i just wonder what will I have to do if the 40G down... |
| 14:11.20 | nvz | though I havent the slightest clue where to begin |
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| 14:11.27 | valdyn | zdom: no, you dont have to, but doesnt restoring a backup sound more convenient than manually reinstalling? |
| 14:11.28 | asg | lef: is the hostname on the new machine correctly set to what the exim config thinks it is? |
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| 14:11.38 | nvz | I guess I will read logs until a clue pops out and smacks me in the face |
| 14:11.49 | btsdev | if i wanted easy setup of a wireless card, which chipset should i buy> |
| 14:11.50 | btsdev | ? |
| 14:12.01 | mwilson | nvz: What |
| 14:12.02 | nvz | what do you know, a clue just poped out and smacked me in the face |
| 14:12.06 | mwilson | nvz: What's wrong now? |
| 14:12.08 | zdom | valdyn what should i do to backup/restore a linux? I only know ghost... |
| 14:12.13 | lef | asg, hm, dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1' is what I have set |
| 14:12.25 | nvz | via_audio: ignoring drain playback error -512 \n Assertion failed! chan->is_active == sg_active(chan->iobase),via82cxxx_audio.c,via_chan_maybe_start,line=1388 |
| 14:12.31 | nvz | seems to be the sound of it |
| 14:12.36 | nvz | or the no sound of it |
| 14:12.38 | mwilson | Oh, that old thing. |
| 14:12.41 | valdyn | zdom: ghost is probably good for this too, however, 'apt-cache show mondo' |
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| 14:12.51 | asg | lef: yes, it's only listening on localhost; dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 14:12.59 | mwilson | Easy fix, don't use via audio, it sucks anyway. |
| 14:13.00 | SaidinUnleashed | alright, grabbed the kernel headers, but I still cant seem to build the Thinkpad modules... |
| 14:13.05 | nvz | mwilson: I was happily listening to mp3s with cplay/mpg321 and now anything I try to play mp3s with freezes in its tracks |
| 14:13.06 | Thanatermesis | any person know ho to create the Contents.gz file for repositories ? |
| 14:13.08 | fbf__ | initech: it was easy! you can do that right clicking on the desktop and creating a new link to device (maybe, i have kde in italian), then you can select a device from those present in the fstab... |
| 14:13.11 | zdom | valdyn thx, i will study about it |
| 14:13.12 | FieldySnuts | amen |
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| 14:13.36 | nvz | I dont have a choice, Its onboard.. and I dont have another sound card |
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| 14:13.49 | nanok | nvz: i have seen that before. dont really know wtf it wants, but it seemed to have no negative effect on the actual...sound of it :).. |
| 14:13.53 | nvz | well I may have a sound card in this IBM Aptiva, but its probably not any better |
| 14:14.08 | fbf__ | initech: and you have an icon with mount and umount in the contestual menu (the thing i was asking...) |
| 14:14.13 | nvz | nanok: its having negative effects, its not playing anything at all |
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| 14:14.21 | initech | Aptiva? isn'that from like 1991? |
| 14:14.23 | nvz | nanok: I was listening happily earlier |
| 14:14.27 | shingouz | nvz: if it is a crystal you can work with it. if it is an mwave you are sol |
| 14:14.31 | nanok | nvz: i understand..it is strange though... |
| 14:14.38 | nvz | initech: probably.. it was donated to me by the judge |
| 14:14.38 | shingouz | initech: aptivas were made later on too |
| 14:14.42 | zdom | thanks all for my software raid questions! |
| 14:14.43 | nanok | nvz: have you checked interrupts/irqs and friends?.. |
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| 14:15.07 | nvz | nanok: where do I check them, slice open my CPU and get a microscope? what am I looking for? |
| 14:15.14 | lef | asg, if I run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config I will overwrite my custom settings :-/ Wouldn't it be better if I updated update-exim4.conf.conf and run update-exim4.conf? |
| 14:15.54 | initech | aptiva sounds like the sort of thing they would name a car |
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| 14:16.05 | asg | lef: if you wish |
| 14:16.06 | nvz | shingouz: I just looked, its an mwave |
| 14:16.19 | shingouz | nvz: you are shit out of luck with that one |
| 14:16.35 | nvz | oh well, fuggit. |
| 14:16.40 | lef | asg, what bugs me is that mail was working fine in my previews server using just the same settings |
| 14:16.49 | amorphix2 | shingouz: unfortunately it didnt work, I was already in audio group :-/ |
| 14:16.50 | lef | s/previews/previous |
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| 14:17.26 | gaasfet | check this web-site [really bizarre] www.coilcraft.com ??? |
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| 14:17.38 | shingouz | initech: the other box i have on my desk is a seriously hacked aptiva p2-233 running a overclocked p2-400 now. cd and floppy in a separate console, bose sound system in the monitor and running sid on a patched 2.6.10 |
| 14:17.40 | asg | lef: that is odd. Don't know what might have changed though. |
| 14:17.45 | gaasfet | freezes several browsers |
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| 14:17.59 | shingouz | amorphix2: in that case you need to look at your modules, do you have everything needed in there |
| 14:18.00 | amorphix2 | i think the problem might be because i have two sound devices? I have an onboard sound chip and a pci soundcard, i have two volume controls showing in KDE, but no sound output |
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| 14:18.15 | nvz | it wont let me unload any of the sound modules, so I guess all I can do is reboot |
| 14:18.31 | initech | shingouz: oh yeah? well I have a 1987 Infuriatesqua that I use to control all the lights in the house |
| 14:18.52 | nvz | or burn my cd and leave.. but I kind of like to hear songs while I am picking them.. so I dont get out there and realize I have a bunch of songs I dont want to hear |
| 14:18.53 | lef | asg, so I need to change dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1' to dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1;myhostname' ? |
| 14:18.54 | shingouz | initech: i hope you are kidding me :o |
| 14:19.18 | asg | lef: or the ip of your other interface(s) |
| 14:19.31 | amorphix2 | i seem to spend half my life fixing mundane fings in Linux :-/ |
| 14:19.37 | initech | shingouz: yeah i'm kidding. actually I use it in the visualization room to play movies via aalib in ascii |
| 14:19.51 | shingouz | initech: ok, that sounds better then |
| 14:20.00 | lef | asg, what happens if I leave it blank as in dc_local_interfaces=''? |
| 14:20.12 | asg | lef: it probably defaults to all interfaces. Try it and see. |
| 14:20.18 | nvz | amorphix2: look on the bright side, you only fix them once. in windows you would be "fixing" the same mundane things time and time again.. usually by rebooting the machine |
| 14:20.23 | lef | asg, let's see |
| 14:20.31 | amorphix2 | true |
| 14:20.42 | shingouz | initech: the bad part about the aptiva i was talking about is that i am not kidding |
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| 14:23.35 | amorphix | ya i got sound |
| 14:23.44 | amorphix | :D |
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| 14:24.33 | Buenos | Was Debian 3.1 traslated to Russian? |
| 14:25.02 | asg | Buenos: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 14:25.07 | amorphix | i have a soundcard i wanna use, it's a PCI card with a optical sound out, i know the soundcard is supported in Linux for regular audio, but is the optical side likely to be supported? |
| 14:25.21 | fabio | Hi. I got root perm, I edited fstab and mtab, I added the windows partitions (hda1, hda5). As root I can view the content of theese partitions, but not as normal user. As root I tryed to change folder permissions where are mounted hda1 and hda5, but I discovered that this is denyed...why? |
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| 14:25.38 | caphuso | fabio: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 14:26.25 | nvz | amorphix: lucky bastard |
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| 14:26.31 | amorphix | nvz hehe |
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| 14:26.54 | amorphix | i wanna use the optical out to record digitally onto my MD recorder |
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| 14:27.30 | nvz | hmm.. I wonder who I can hit up for a soundcard in the free price range |
| 14:27.39 | ColonelKernel | Linux p4ht 2.6.12.1 #1 SMP Sun Jun 26 06:30:58 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux <--- nice |
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| 14:27.55 | nvz | its gotta be pci though.. which limits the possiilities |
| 14:28.02 | fabio | what does this mean? I entered theese commands...but none! |
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| 14:28.06 | valdyn | !nickometer p4ht |
| 14:28.06 | dpkg | 'p4ht' is 22.000% lame, valdyn |
| 14:28.08 | Johnbhoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.18 | nvz | and rules out my chances of using that mwave out of the Aptiva even if it would be supported |
| 14:28.34 | ColonelKernel | tis just the name 'o the box dude |
| 14:28.42 | amorphix | coldplay rocks |
| 14:29.22 | fabio | I use a debian distro |
| 14:29.27 | nvz | I just want to burn a cd and leave, but I prefer to hear the song before I put it on the cd.. cause I react differently to sound than titles. I may think I want to hear a song by name, but if I hear it, I will realize I'm not in the mood for it |
| 14:29.45 | fabio | I (try) to use a debian distro... |
| 14:30.07 | SaidinUnleashed | alright, getting closer on the thinkpad modules. kpkg is giving me an error ---> make[1]: makeroot: Command not found <--- then various other errorcodes after that |
| 14:30.24 | amorphix | this is strange... |
| 14:30.39 | valdyn | fabio: vfat does not support permissions so you cannot change them with chmod. |
| 14:30.44 | SaidinUnleashed | but I am having no luck finding a package with makeroot in it |
| 14:30.54 | asg | Buenos: since the release notes also indicate it has been translated to 40 languages, I would expect Russian to be one of them. |
| 14:31.01 | asg | Buenos: and don't /msg people without asking |
| 14:31.04 | nvz | when you are doing non-profit footwork, the quality of your tunes makes a world of difference |
| 14:31.17 | amorphix | i can play an mp3 across my NFS fine on this HP workstation, but if i try it on my HP laptop...it always bottlenecks and pauses then continues |
| 14:31.22 | fabio | so, what have I to do for viewing my windows partitions? |
| 14:31.31 | fabio | as a normal user? |
| 14:31.35 | caphuso | fabio: what dpkg told you after you /msg'ed it |
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| 14:31.52 | Buenos | thanks |
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| 14:33.37 | lef | asg, it seems to work fine, thank you. Ihave to solve the problem related to outgoing emails now |
| 14:33.42 | lef | asg, thank you :-) |
| 14:33.48 | asg | lef: :) |
| 14:33.57 | amorphix | i love linux. but its a bitch sometimes heh |
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| 14:34.12 | asg | amorphix: I love my wife but she's a bitch sometimes heh </scowl> |
| 14:34.15 | valdyn | !find makeroot |
| 14:34.20 | KimHansen | Is there problems with the mirrors? |
| 14:34.22 | fabio | excuse me, perhaps my bad english...I don't understand... |
| 14:34.26 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'makeroot' returned no results. |
| 14:34.29 | amorphix | if linux was piss to use like windows, wouldnt be much fun tho would it |
| 14:34.36 | amorphix | asg hehe |
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| 14:35.16 | SaidinUnleashed | valdyn, I tried that already ^_^ |
| 14:36.12 | amorphix | is it easy to make a boot disk? im gonna follow the howto but wondered if anyone had any tips |
| 14:36.37 | cmihai | !dd |
| 14:36.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer |
| 14:36.41 | cmihai | ;P |
| 14:37.14 | valdyn | SaidinUnleashed: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i thinkpad-modules ( always worked flawless for me, but so did make-kpkg ) |
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| 14:37.32 | amorphix | dd will just produce a bootable version of your existing kernel tho with all same config? |
| 14:37.36 | lef | asg, exim4 -bt valid@hostname.com gives me R: dnslookup for valid@hostname.com, valid@hostname.com cannot be resolved at this time: host lookup did not complete. Yet, if I ping hostname.com from the server it gets the ping replies alright |
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| 14:38.25 | SaidinUnleashed | alright, amorphix, trying that... (this laptop is so grouchy -_-) |
| 14:38.40 | amorphix | oops |
| 14:39.07 | amorphix | i seem to have given advice unwittingly to someone heh |
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| 14:39.31 | sano_ | hi, i have a Siemens Santis Wireless card (11 mbit only)... but it doesnt show up in lspci, and xcardinfo says unsupported card... can someone tell me, what i am doing wrong? |
| 14:39.52 | ttick | !seen dpkg |
| 14:39.55 | dpkg | ttick: i haven't seen 'dpkg' |
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| 14:40.10 | valdyn | sano_: is it a pci card? |
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| 14:40.24 | sano_ | valdyn, sorry... it is a cardbus card |
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| 14:40.36 | valdyn | sano_: no surprise it doesnt show in lspci then... |
| 14:40.48 | ttick | !tell ttick about java |
| 14:40.49 | shingouz | sano_: cardctl --ident |
| 14:40.53 | SaidinUnleashed | amorphix, sorry, stupin nick-completion was left on |
| 14:40.58 | sano_ | one sec |
| 14:41.25 | nvz | damn, I just sneezed so hard it gave me a headache |
| 14:41.27 | ttick | !tell ttick about install java |
| 14:41.30 | sano_ | AHAAAA SMC card |
| 14:41.35 | sano_ | shingouz, thanks a log |
| 14:41.42 | sano_ | s/log/lot |
| 14:41.50 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.55 | MobyTurbo | ttick: you can /msg the bots |
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| 14:42.12 | ttick | MobyTurbo: yeah, tried that, he won't respond. :( |
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| 14:42.36 | amorphix | np |
| 14:42.48 | ttick | MobyTurbo: oops, my mistake, was typing "/mesg" instead of "/msg". *bonk* |
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| 14:43.27 | F1r3wall | Sup guys |
| 14:43.28 | sano_ | shingouz, uhm, no, the SMC was the other card :) uhm... can you identify this: product info: "IEEE 802.11b", "Wireless LAN PC Card" |
| 14:43.29 | nvz | valdyn: what is a PCMCIA but an extension to the PCI bus |
| 14:43.55 | amorphix | is it possible to use a flash card in a pcmcia slot as a block device? |
| 14:43.57 | F1r3wall | Does any one use Whoppix? |
| 14:43.59 | nvz | afaik (and I never used PCMCIA) those devices should in fact show up in lspci |
| 14:44.04 | shingouz | sano_: not really, not with that information |
| 14:44.09 | lef | hm, what is the best way to determine the closest debian mirror? |
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| 14:44.17 | nvz | F1r3wall: nope, this is #debian, goto #Whoppix |
| 14:44.23 | nvz | whatever the hell a Whoppix is |
| 14:44.25 | sano_ | shingouz, that is all, i get out of the cardctl ident |
| 14:44.27 | shingouz | F1r3wall: first, you should not poll here and second, this is #debian not #whoppix |
| 14:44.38 | F1r3wall | #Whoppix |
| 14:44.44 | shingouz | sano_: man cardctl and make it a bit more verbose |
| 14:44.49 | d0s4gw | are there any GUI versions of fdisk? |
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| 14:45.01 | nvz | I am really getting sick of these live distros, I am considering poisoning the boot-cd maintainer |
| 14:45.07 | mwilson | d0s4gw: No, because there's no reaosn for there to be. |
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| 14:45.14 | mwilson | nvz: I'll help. |
| 14:45.15 | shingouz | d0s4gw: is cfdisk gui enough |
| 14:45.53 | d0s4gw | hmm, maybe |
| 14:46.06 | d0s4gw | i was hoping for something that looked like partition magic |
| 14:46.09 | d0s4gw | but this could work |
| 14:46.27 | nvz | oh well, I am off.. my cd is burnt. hopefully I got enough battery power to last me awhile.. else I will have to adapt this cd player to use AAA batteries.. as I cannot find my AA rechargables only the AAA ones |
| 14:46.42 | mwilson | Why would you need something that looked like Partition Magic? If you want PM, go out and buy a copy. |
| 14:46.44 | amorphix | nvz: solar panels are the answer |
| 14:46.49 | hcy | hi... a long, long time ago (maybe over a year) when i set debian up on my computer, i somehow set it to be able to use a hebrew keyboard ask well... i don't remember how i did it, probably with xkbsomething... but it was doing it automatically, everytime i booted up, and i could switch back and forth by pressing both shifts at the same time. now i just noticed that it's not working anymore. but i don't remember how i set it, or where i set it |
| 14:46.49 | hcy | to do that... can someone give me a clue please? |
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| 14:46.52 | d0s4gw | well i dont have windows |
| 14:46.52 | shingouz | d0s4gw: hitting a key or two is about the same as pointing and drooling at something. you just need to locate your keyboard first ;) |
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| 14:47.03 | d0s4gw | thanks for the sarcasm |
| 14:47.12 | shingouz | d0s4gw: you're welcome |
| 14:47.22 | sano_ | shingouz, mmmh, that card says nothing about its inners... |
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| 14:47.25 | mwilson | d0s4gw: Sarcasm? What sarcasm? Simple statement of fact, there. |
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| 14:47.42 | sano_ | shingouz, i will exchange that card with the atheros of my parents :-) |
| 14:47.58 | shingouz | sano_: in that case you are about to hit google i think. unless you manage to appropriate another, that is |
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| 14:48.26 | Anders | http://home.anders1.org/images/stuff.png <-- pfft |
| 14:48.30 | Anders | stupid debconf!' |
| 14:48.54 | amorphix | if u have two soundcards in your box, how do you switch between them? |
| 14:49.17 | ColonelKernel | headphone plug? |
| 14:49.18 | Anders | amorphix, i used hw:1,0 instead of default in alsa |
| 14:49.29 | amorphix | Anders: thanks |
| 14:49.58 | sano_ | shingouz, i already asked Dr.Google... it says something about atmel chips... but i inserted the atmel drivers... nothing happened |
| 14:50.23 | naddar | where can i find the linux source directory? |
| 14:50.26 | naddar | anyone? |
| 14:50.39 | amorphix | : /usr/src |
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| 14:50.43 | shingouz | sano_: might be easiest just to "obtain" the other card from your parents ;) |
| 14:51.02 | sano_ | shingouz, yow :) thanks for the cardctl hint anyways... |
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| 14:52.10 | naddar | he keeps telling /usr/src is missing or incomplete |
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| 14:52.18 | naddar | i'm installing wireless network |
| 14:52.39 | shingouz | naddar: how about doing an ls in /usr/src ? |
| 14:52.48 | valdyn | naddar: how are you installing what exactly? |
| 14:53.11 | naddar | the map is empty |
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| 14:53.34 | naddar | i'm installing linksys usb wiusb11 linksys drivers |
| 14:53.39 | shingouz | naddar: you do not need to compile a kernel just to get wireless working in anycase |
| 14:53.51 | shingouz | usb wlan... ok. i'll shut up |
| 14:53.53 | naddar | yeah but my antenne is usb |
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| 14:56.28 | valdyn | naddar: try 'apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)', if that doesn't suffice you might need to get the complete kernel source and configure it. |
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| 14:57.28 | amorphix | Anders: when you said you used hw:1,0 would that also apply to oss? |
| 14:57.52 | faked | were there no updates in sid in the last 2 days? |
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| 14:58.04 | Anders | amorphix, if you use oss compatibility yes |
| 14:58.20 | defcon8 | anyone got some estimations on when marillat will be back up? |
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| 14:58.42 | faked | defcon8: I think marillat is back up |
| 14:58.50 | valdyn | faked: some debian servers are being moved, but there was new updates too now, see the debian-devel-changes mailing list. |
| 14:59.03 | defcon8 | ok faked |
| 14:59.07 | faked | valdyn: ah, ok, thx |
| 14:59.30 | valdyn | faked: 0 upgrades for the 24th |
| 14:59.53 | faked | valdyn: but yesterday upgrades happend? |
| 15:00.00 | GrDu | how can i let others access my box using telnet |
| 15:00.09 | valdyn | faked: yea |
| 15:00.12 | abrotman | GrDu: you don't .. use ssh |
| 15:00.14 | defcon8 | GrDu, give them your root password. its easier |
| 15:00.21 | GrDu | lol |
| 15:00.27 | GrDu | ok ssh then |
| 15:00.33 | faked | valdyn: ok, so I have to change my mirror |
| 15:00.33 | abrotman | apt-get install ssh |
| 15:00.34 | GrDu | so how ? |
| 15:00.39 | GrDu | I have ssh |
| 15:00.43 | defcon8 | shouldnt it already be installed? |
| 15:01.00 | GrDu | but should I give permissions |
| 15:01.18 | valdyn | faked: 18167 N Jun 25 Uwe Hermann (3,8K) Accepted crimson 0.4.8-1 (i386 source) <- first upload on the 25th, but that doesnt mean it was added to sid before today. |
| 15:01.38 | GrDu | so? |
| 15:01.41 | shingouz | GrDu: man ssh (or sshd, can't remember now), change the configs a bit |
| 15:01.53 | abrotman | man sshd_config |
| 15:02.00 | GrDu | isnt this a firewall thingie ? |
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| 15:02.09 | defcon8 | rofl |
| 15:02.13 | shingouz | GrDu: that too if you have a router |
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| 15:02.23 | faked | valdyn: which mirror do you use? |
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| 15:02.40 | defcon8 | any ps2 players please come to #ps2 |
| 15:03.00 | adaptor | while connecting to vsftp i get this error after login: 500 OOPS: cap_set_proc and i've read on the internet that it's a kernel problem or something... |
| 15:03.03 | adaptor | what can i do ? |
| 15:03.08 | valdyn | faked: ftp.de.debian.org, i cant tell you if that is a good choice. |
| 15:03.22 | naddar | valdyn: i did that install you told me should i restart |
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| 15:03.29 | naddar | or try to install again |
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| 15:03.42 | faked | valdyn: I use the same mirror :) |
| 15:03.49 | valdyn | naddar: no need to restart. |
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| 15:05.27 | calicartel | Hey guys, where might i find the debian boot floppy images i have debian 3.0 r1 cd and can't find them on there (its an official cd) i am also logged onto ftp.debian.org and can't find them on there? |
| 15:05.35 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 15:05.41 | abrotman | !sarge floppies |
| 15:05.41 | dpkg | from memory, sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 15:05.54 | calicartel | genius |
| 15:05.55 | calicartel | thanks |
| 15:05.59 | naddar | valdyn so it have to work automic now or ?? |
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| 15:06.21 | calicartel | abrotman, which is the LATEST release? |
| 15:06.26 | valdyn | naddar: i cant know, i dont know anything about your specific drivers that you got from wherever. |
| 15:06.30 | abrotman | calicartel: sarge is |
| 15:06.34 | calicartel | thanks |
| 15:06.49 | abrotman | calicartel: are you trying to install sarge or woody ? |
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| 15:07.40 | calicartel | abrotman, I have an outdated version of woody.. but now i got the floppy images im just going to do a net install using the floppies.. |
| 15:07.45 | calicartel | so its going to be sarge :) |
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| 15:08.13 | abrotman | calicartel: ok .. |
| 15:08.21 | calicartel | thanks again |
| 15:08.43 | naddar | what is the path where kde is installed can i know by commadn or |
| 15:09.03 | Phated | naddar: dpkg -L the kde package. |
| 15:09.45 | teclo | Hello, trying to install woody, I boot from the bf24 floppies, then choose "Preload essential modules from the floppy". I insert driver-1.bin, then I get "unable to mount the floppy disk, can't continue" ... ouch !... what can I do ? |
| 15:10.11 | shingouz | teclo: just install sarge, a lot easier for you |
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| 15:10.33 | teclo | shingouz: when I try to install sarge, it says I don't have enough memory... |
| 15:10.52 | shingouz | teclo: i see. how much ram you have then? |
| 15:10.59 | teclo | shingouz: I don't know. |
| 15:11.06 | abrotman | teclo: install sarge ? |
| 15:11.08 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:11.18 | teclo | No no, can't use sarge, not enough memory |
| 15:11.23 | shingouz | teclo: you should see the mem count at boot |
| 15:11.23 | abrotman | how much ram do you have ? |
| 15:11.42 | abrotman | it's worth finding out |
| 15:12.00 | teclo | and I guess I need special drivers cuz it seem the bf2.4 kernel doesn't see/recognize MCA bus and ESDI disks.... |
| 15:12.18 | abrotman | are you serious ? |
| 15:12.20 | abrotman | mca ? |
| 15:12.21 | shingouz | teclo: wtf are you installin on int eh first place? |
| 15:12.30 | MiddleSketch | is it possible to run Tiger OSX from within Debian, I have a powerpc computer... |
| 15:12.31 | teclo | Well it's a PS/2 Model 77, with a MCA memory expansion board... I have no idea how to find out the memory.... |
| 15:12.43 | abrotman | still should show on boot |
| 15:12.44 | shingouz | teclo: wow. a 77. nice |
| 15:12.50 | teclo | MiddleSketch: use mol (mac-on-linux) |
| 15:12.55 | teclo | shingouz: thank you :) |
| 15:12.57 | abrotman | sarge won't work on that huh ? |
| 15:13.02 | abrotman | it's a 386? |
| 15:13.02 | teclo | shingouz: you know the 77 ? |
| 15:13.07 | shingouz | teclo: have you checked the ps/2 newsgroup already? |
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| 15:13.46 | teclo | shingouz: not yet... I'm kinda surprised Debian doesn't recognize MCA/ESDI.. and I can't seem to get driver-1.bin to work :/ |
| 15:13.56 | shingouz | teclo: this is a pci/eisa server 320, i also have a server 95, server 520 pci/mca and a few P70's ;) |
| 15:13.57 | eno- | Ellow, which of the 14 iso's are necessary to install debian 3.1? |
| 15:14.09 | abrotman | teclo: you might want to try ... ick .. potato |
| 15:14.11 | MiddleSketch | teclo: mol doesn't seem to work with tiger, i was wondering if someone knew of an alternative, or has experience with this |
| 15:14.17 | shingouz | teclo: the esdi might be a bit tricky. it should install though |
| 15:14.37 | ttick | Hmm, there are two Xalan applications out there. One is written in C, the other written in Java. apt-cache show xalan seems to be the C version, by looking at the dependences. Yet there is also libxalan2-java available (but no xalan2 package). Strange. Anyone know how to get the java version, other than DLing it and installing it w/o apt-get? |
| 15:14.38 | teclo | shingouz: although I'm not sure it's ESDI... some ps/2 shipped with SCSI disks.... |
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| 15:15.11 | abrotman | is the machine a 386 ? |
| 15:15.13 | teclo | shingouz: well yeah, the PS/2 77 is good and expensive hardware. Well, expensive, for 1987 :p |
| 15:15.17 | shingouz | teclo: well.. that depends a bit on how the box is comfigured. is the hd connected with a 50-pin cable? |
| 15:15.28 | teclo | abrotman: Yes, it's at least a 386... It's even a 486 |
| 15:15.41 | teclo | shingouz: ah... gotta go to the other floor... |
| 15:15.43 | abrotman | teclo: you know it's a 486 .. and don't know how much RAM ? |
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| 15:15.53 | teclo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.57 | abrotman | and iirc .. no 486 in 1987 |
| 15:16.07 | shingouz | teclo: do you know the ps/2 newsgroup already? comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware |
| 15:16.10 | teclo | abrotman: well it's not some random x86 pc with an Award BIOS that counts it RAM at boot... |
| 15:16.17 | GrDu | I want to edit the motd, with colors, which editor does this ? |
| 15:16.21 | teclo | shingouz: I know |
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| 15:16.28 | abrotman | teclo: but still .. most IBM machines do show |
| 15:16.29 | shingouz | teclo: you may need to run the refdisk first... |
| 15:16.43 | teclo | shingouz: refdisk ? where do I get that ? |
| 15:16.57 | {Debian-Foz} | hi, i'm trying to configure my webcam (digital camera) where can i get any help regarding configuring manualy /etc/modules to get it recognized (i already have the module) |
| 15:16.57 | shingouz | teclo: sec, i'll give you a link soon |
| 15:17.00 | Cobain | are there any mirrors with contrib? |
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| 15:17.17 | asg | GrDu: look for ANSI escpae sequences in the Bash-Prompt howto. |
| 15:17.20 | valdyn | Cobain: eh? have you tried any? |
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| 15:17.45 | GrDu | I want to edit the motd, with colors, which editor does this ? |
| 15:17.59 | shingouz | teclo: try here first: |
| 15:17.59 | shingouz | http://ps2supersite.homedns.org/pccbbs/ |
| 15:17.59 | fabio | Ok, I mounted my windows partitions (hda1, hda5) editing fstab and mtab. I can view their content as root but not as a normal user, What have I to do? |
| 15:18.00 | asg | GrDu: does the motd already have colors in it? |
| 15:18.06 | GrDu | no |
| 15:18.13 | ice | anyone have experience with wireless networking? |
| 15:18.15 | Zordrack | anybody know how to fix character set/locales issues ? |
| 15:18.15 | valdyn | fabio: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 15:18.23 | asg | GrDu: then use vim and the ANSI esc sequence information from the bash-prompt howto |
| 15:18.24 | error403 | Erm, probably the wrong place for this, but whats a good graphical FTP client for Linux, WITHOUT using any KDE dependancies ? |
| 15:18.28 | Gooser | telco http://www.seds.org/~spider/ps2/ps2hist.html |
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| 15:18.50 | fabio | I don't understand what does this mean... what is /msg? |
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| 15:19.09 | kooll | error403: gftp was correct last time I used it |
| 15:19.09 | valdyn | fabio: in your irc client type '/msg dpkg vfatrw' |
| 15:19.16 | shingouz | teclo: also, do a google on "mca mafia" and "ardent tool of capitalism" |
| 15:19.23 | fabio | ah! thanks! |
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| 15:19.34 | valdyn | error403: 'mc' if you dont mind an ncurses interface |
| 15:19.56 | error403 | valdyn, what is ncurses? |
| 15:19.56 | shingouz | teclo: especially dan kalish, peter wendt and louis ohland know a crapload of those things |
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| 15:20.09 | error403 | kooll, ok, ill install that and try it... |
| 15:20.13 | valdyn | error403: looks like the debian installer |
| 15:20.19 | error403 | >.< |
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| 15:20.21 | error403 | ouch |
| 15:20.38 | valdyn | error403: or norton commander |
| 15:20.56 | shingouz | teclo: another link: www.walshcomptech.com/ohlandl |
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| 15:21.36 | Zordrack | anybody know where i can get help on character set/locales/codepage issues in woody ? |
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| 15:22.06 | teclo | shingouz: ok |
| 15:22.14 | teclo | shingouz: it appears to be a 50-pin SCSI hard disk |
| 15:22.17 | valdyn | error403: if you're using gnome.. nautilus seems to support ftp fine. |
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| 15:22.29 | teclo | shingouz: There's a floppy and cdrom player, on the same bus... |
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| 15:22.35 | shingouz | teclo: you may have problems with it especially if it is a corvette |
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| 15:22.58 | shingouz | tribble and spock should be seen with linux, teclo |
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| 15:23.51 | ice | _cs" driver where can i find that |
| 15:23.52 | teclo | shingouz: it appears ps2supersite.homedns.org is dead :/ |
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| 15:23.57 | shingouz | floppy and cdrom? waitaminute, that sounds like esdi to me then. otoh, i do not have a 77 at all... |
| 15:24.11 | shingouz | teclo: try the walshcomptech then |
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| 15:24.30 | Zordrack | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.31 | MiddleSketch | can mol work with Tiger OSX? |
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| 15:25.11 | shingouz | teclo: i may have to email pete about the supersite too.... that is on his home box with dynamic ip so it can be on and off from time to time |
| 15:25.21 | teclo | shingouz: ok |
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| 15:29.50 | Zordrack | does anyone know why filenames differ in different services with international characters ? |
| 15:30.27 | yxa | what kind of hash is in /etc/shadow? if its md5 how do i convert it to a hex format? |
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| 15:31.50 | memin | Hello, How many ISOs o I need to install debian? |
| 15:31.56 | caphuso | yxa: if the passwords start with $!$, it's a md5 hash |
| 15:32.34 | asg | memin: none, you can use netinstall cds or floppies if you wish. |
| 15:33.27 | ga_new | hello:) I want start my adventure with debian - I have Athlon XP 1700+ - which package is for me? :http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/ |
| 15:33.54 | asg | caphuso: isn't it $1$? |
| 15:34.05 | caphuso | asg: yes, of course |
| 15:34.10 | yxa | caphuso yeah. i'm trying out this bruteforce prog that requires the string to be in hex |
| 15:34.15 | caphuso | stupid shift key doesn't mind read |
| 15:34.19 | asg | caphuso: :) |
| 15:35.02 | memin | asg but if i want to use a cd what Cd wouldt it be? |
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| 15:35.12 | trave11er | ga_new: stuff in the i386 directory |
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| 15:35.26 | Pryon | to round out the pedantry, it's not an MD5 hash, but a set of characters chosen using "an MD5-based algorithm" |
| 15:35.27 | asg | memin: it depends on what you want. The first cd is all that's necessary to install a base system. |
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| 15:35.55 | memin | asg doesithave GUI? |
| 15:36.06 | valdyn | ga_new: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ , i386 is your architecture. |
| 15:36.06 | sDES | why is XFree86 running at priority -10? |
| 15:36.07 | yxa | Pryon was that for me? |
| 15:36.28 | Pryon | If it's valuable for you, yes. |
| 15:36.54 | PiPe-- | anyone uses acx111 for an atheros wireless card? i need help on this |
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| 15:37.05 | valdyn | sDES: b/c that has advantages prior to 2.6.x and you configured it to do that? |
| 15:37.06 | mwilson | sDES: To make it more responsive. |
| 15:37.08 | Pryon | yxa: There's no good way (I can think of) to turn that into hex, depending on what you mean by that. |
| 15:37.08 | yxa | Pryon just trying to learn :) |
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| 15:37.20 | ga_new | trave11er: thanks :) |
| 15:37.24 | mwilson | valdyn: It still has advantages in 2.6, too. |
| 15:37.37 | ga_new | valdyn: thanks:) |
| 15:37.39 | valdyn | mwilson: possibly. |
| 15:38.04 | mwilson | valdyn: It's only if you're into using CK kernel patches that you need to worry about changing it. |
| 15:38.16 | sDES | mwilson: Is it more responsive?Would i be better off runnig it with priority 0? |
| 15:38.35 | valdyn | mwilson: i dont really notice a difference either way |
| 15:38.39 | mwilson | sDES: You want to give it a lower priority? Why? |
| 15:39.19 | mwilson | Why do people always have to run around looking for things they don't understand to break? |
| 15:39.45 | sDES | mwilson: Because i want to learn? |
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| 15:43.06 | kadigibox | could anyone tell me how to reset oss or something cause for reason its cutting in and out |
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| 15:43.49 | _joey | could someone comment on this m/b chipset: Radeon XPRESS 200 Chipset |
| 15:43.57 | _joey | is it compatible with linux ? |
| 15:44.01 | _joey | :) |
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| 15:45.33 | sDES | madwifi in master mode and wpa howto anyone |
| 15:45.35 | sDES | ? |
| 15:45.58 | pengo | are there any circumstances when a .deb package is not installed to the directories you'd expect from data.tar.gz file? |
| 15:46.55 | _joey | sDES I've got it going using wpa_supplicant |
| 15:47.14 | _joey | I had to recompile it to enable atheros chipset support |
| 15:47.56 | _joey | I think I have prebuilt .deb for everything laying around somewhere for i386 |
| 15:48.01 | PiPe-- | madwifi works on which cards? |
| 15:48.39 | sDES | PiPe--: atheros chipset |
| 15:48.48 | sDES | _joey: in master mode? |
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| 15:48.59 | _joey | nope |
| 15:49.21 | _joey | I wouldn't use wpa if you set it up between two linux boxes |
| 15:49.32 | _joey | I'd use IPsec to set up vpn, easier |
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| 15:49.47 | PiPe-- | sDES: so it should work on a DWL-G520+ in ap mode? |
| 15:49.50 | sDES | _joey: I have a working wireless lan using pci atheros+madwifi in master mode + wep encryption --> to notebook with ipw2100 |
| 15:50.09 | PiPe-- | damn! i was looking for it long time ago |
| 15:50.14 | sDES | PiPe--: Does it have atheros chipset? |
| 15:50.19 | _joey | yes |
| 15:50.25 | _joey | I am using this card |
| 15:50.30 | sDES | but no wpa still |
| 15:50.32 | sDES | :( |
| 15:50.46 | teclo | PiPe--: your nick is funny |
| 15:50.53 | teclo | PiPe--: it means something in french heh |
| 15:50.56 | _joey | D-Link AirPlus XtremeG DWL=G520 |
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| 15:51.17 | pattern_ | anyone know a good way to create a normal DVD from some quicktime files? |
| 15:51.28 | PiPe-- | teclo: im chilean |
| 15:51.28 | sDES | _joey: Is this atheros based?PCI card yes? |
| 15:51.44 | PiPe-- | is the short way of saying felipe |
| 15:51.48 | PiPe-- | my name is felipe |
| 15:51.49 | teclo | PiPe--: ah, sorry :/ |
| 15:51.56 | PiPe-- | teclo: dont worry |
| 15:52.03 | teclo | PiPe--: gracias :) |
| 15:52.05 | PiPe-- | i feel like a | |
| 15:52.09 | PiPe-- | lol |
| 15:52.10 | teclo | PiPe--: muy bien :) |
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| 15:52.18 | _joey | sDES it is atheros and it is pci |
| 15:52.26 | PiPe-- | _joey: you are using g520+? |
| 15:52.44 | _joey | DWL-G520 |
| 15:52.45 | sDES | _joey: So you can put it in master mode, and you can use wep ! |
| 15:52.51 | sDES | it works for me |
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| 15:53.04 | tenfoot | _pattern: try transcode and mplayer f |
| 15:53.09 | _joey | I am using wpa on it |
| 15:53.19 | PiPe-- | i was looking at acx111 |
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| 15:53.26 | _joey | the other one is Linksys wrt54g |
| 15:53.28 | tenfoot | from the marillat set of packages (use google to find these) |
| 15:53.28 | _joey | AP |
| 15:53.38 | _joey | which is my AP |
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| 15:54.00 | sDES | _joey:I have to put my atheros one in master mode, I have no AP.... |
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| 15:54.13 | PiPe-- | i'm compiling it on a remote machine that freezed when i ran the interface up |
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| 15:54.18 | jan`pains | hi, i've got a strange problem with my soundcard (soundblaster awe64 gold) and ALSA... if i use kmix and enable the microphone i can hear myself but if use xmms for playing a soundfile i can just hear about a half second of the file... there is this horizontal bar in xmms to jump to any position in the file if i use it i hear ~a half second of the file on that position |
| 15:54.24 | _joey | I think it is possible to put it in Master mode too |
| 15:54.29 | _joey | I just haven't done it |
| 15:55.13 | sDES | _joey: hmmmm.... I can put it in master mode+wpa using hostapd, but I cannot associate with my ipw2100+wpa_supplicant :( |
| 15:56.05 | sDES | PiPe--: acx1000 had some problems with linux last time I checked |
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| 15:56.33 | PiPe-- | i think so |
| 15:56.35 | PiPe-- | =/ |
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| 15:57.21 | PiPe-- | _joey: what does lspci reports about that card? |
| 15:57.24 | PiPe-- | the one you have |
| 15:57.42 | PiPe-- | i have the same but +.. it has an antenna conector |
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| 15:58.20 | PiPe-- | i would like to know if it's the same |
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| 16:00.10 | PiPe-- | sDES: what card are you using |
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| 16:00.32 | sDES | PiPe--: level one wnc-0300 |
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| 16:00.51 | sDES | PiPe--: it's some german shit-card, but it has atheros chipset |
| 16:01.14 | PiPe-- | what does it say in lspci? |
| 16:02.19 | sDES | PiPe--: 02:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 168c:0013 (rev 01) |
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| 16:03.08 | _joey | PiPe-- I took the card out of my linux box for the moment :) |
| 16:03.10 | _joey | can't tell you |
| 16:03.16 | EzoNaan | Hello! I wonder how far i can install with one of the 14 debian cds. Can I install a base system with the first one? |
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| 16:03.35 | PiPe-- | damn |
| 16:03.36 | Prawntasm | My CD burner is my second CD rom drive, but there doesn't seem to be any entry for it in /mnt |
| 16:03.38 | _joey | PiPe-- it's on windows box now |
| 16:03.41 | Prawntasm | EzoNaan: Yes |
| 16:03.48 | PiPe-- | but you dont remember |
| 16:03.48 | _joey | if you want I can get some info out windows box |
| 16:03.50 | EzoNaan | Prawntasm, Thanks |
| 16:03.53 | _joey | Nope |
| 16:04.05 | _joey | maybe the logs still have some info |
| 16:04.06 | PiPe-- | if it said texas instruments acx111 |
| 16:04.32 | Prawntasm | How do I get my second CD drive to appear in /dev and/or /mnt? |
| 16:05.01 | Prawntasm | I can mount my primary one, it's /cdrom in /dev |
| 16:05.56 | djace | hrm, when I install a package (gmailfs) with aptitude, it installs several packages to satisfy dependencies, yet when I purge the package, it doesn't remove all packages installed. how come? |
| 16:06.12 | Prawntasm | djace: Because purging a package only removes that package, not any of its dependencies |
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| 16:06.22 | djace | Prawntasm: with aptitude. |
| 16:06.24 | chealer | Prawntasm: /cdrom in /dev ? does that mean /dev/cdrom, or what? |
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| 16:06.34 | Prawntasm | chealer: Yes |
| 16:07.10 | Prawntasm | djace: If you want to get rid of its dependencies, do apt-cache depends gmailfs |
| 16:07.22 | Prawntasm | and remove anything you don't like the look of |
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| 16:07.35 | djace | Prawntasm: shouldn't aptitude deal with that? :) |
| 16:07.43 | chealer | Prawntasm: I guess you should say /dev/cdrom then, but if you ls -l /dev/cdrom that should show you it's a symlink to something like /dev/hdc |
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| 16:07.52 | Prawntasm | djace: No, because how is it supposed to know which of its dependencies you might want to keep for other reasons? |
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| 16:08.15 | djace | Prawntasm: "If you use aptitude to install everything, it will keep track of what packages are pulled in by dependencies alone, and remove those packages when they are no longer needed." |
| 16:08.41 | Prawntasm | chealer :ah yes, that's right. I think my second CD drive is hdd, but when I try to mount hdd it complains. Maybe I'm missing some SCSI stuff... |
| 16:09.06 | Prawntasm | djace: Well, dunno then. Maybe you have other packages that depend on the dependencies of gmailfs |
| 16:09.30 | Prawntasm | it looks like mainly python stuff, which is likely to have other stuff depending on it |
| 16:09.45 | Prawntasm | did it not even remove python-libgmail? |
| 16:09.55 | _joey | how well is linux supported for motherboard with ATI chipsets ? |
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| 16:10.03 | _joey | socket 939 |
| 16:10.09 | chealer | Prawntasm: hum, is it a SCSI drive? of course, it would help to know what you mean by "complains" |
| 16:10.12 | mwilson | ATi doesn't and has never made motherboard chipsets. |
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| 16:10.43 | djace | Prawntasm: when installing gmailfs, it installs fuse-utils gmailfs libfuse2 python-fuse python-libgmail python2.3-fuse, yet when purging it, it only removes python-fuse python-libgmail, and gmailfs |
| 16:10.46 | PiPe-- | _joey: damn. i cant still figure out if they have the same chipset.. i would like to make an ap for my school and i've got this card |
| 16:10.51 | _joey | and which company made the chipset for this motherboard http://www.scorptec.com.au/index.php?prdid=00014672 |
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| 16:11.47 | Prawntasm | chealer: Hmm, no it's an IDE drive, but I was tryingto mount it with a blank cd in. lol |
| 16:12.12 | mwilson | Hm. Guess ATi *is* in the motherboard chipset business now. I imagine it's just crap like the nforce, though. |
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| 16:12.22 | Prawntasm | djace: That would seem to imply that you have other stuff installed that depends on fuse-utils and libfuse2 |
| 16:12.40 | Prawntasm | do apt-cache rdepends libfuse2 and see if anything rings a bell |
| 16:12.41 | _joey | mwilson you didn't even that ATI make motherboard chipsets and you afast jumping to conclusion it's crap |
| 16:13.21 | _joey | mind the very best motherboards from Asus a8n and dfi lan party motheboards costs in excess of $200 US use nforce4 chipsets |
| 16:13.27 | mwilson | _joey: What would ATi know about making chipsets more than an established vendor? It's also telling that it's an MSI product. |
| 16:13.48 | djace | Prawntasm: i haven't installed anything in between the install and purge operations that could depend on them, i was testing out aptitude. |
| 16:13.48 | _joey | no, what would a self-indulgent &#^%$ know about the chipsets ? |
| 16:13.49 | error403 | I was wondering, is there something extra i need to install to be able to be able to do a printscreen? |
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| 16:14.39 | Prawntasm | djace: Dunno then, it sounds broken |
| 16:15.33 | djace | :/ |
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| 16:17.42 | jan`pains | hi, i've got a strange problem with my soundcard (soundblaster awe64 gold) and ALSA... if i use kmix and enable the microphone i can hear myself but if use xmms for playing a soundfile i can just hear about a half second of the file... there is this horizontal bar in xmms to jump to any position in the file if i use it i hear ~a half second of the file on that position |
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| 16:19.23 | ZacZac | hi |
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| 16:20.35 | marcot_ | hello, I'm having a problem using debootstrap. |
| 16:20.48 | marcot_ | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/marcot/desenvolvimento/debian/bootstrap mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 16:20.57 | chealer | jan`pains: do you have any clue that it's not just an XMMS issue? |
| 16:21.00 | marcot_ | And when I try to chroot: |
| 16:21.09 | marcot_ | tonhao:/home/marcot/desenvolvimento/debian# chroot bootstrap/ |
| 16:21.18 | marcot_ | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
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| 16:21.26 | marcot_ | tonhao:/home/marcot/desenvolvimento/debian# ls -l bootstrap/bin/bash |
| 16:21.33 | marcot_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 667340 2005-05-25 09:59 bootstrap/bin/bash |
| 16:21.36 | jan`pains | @chealer: aplay doesnt play the hole file too |
| 16:21.40 | marcot_ | What am I doing wrong? |
| 16:21.47 | jan`pains | so i think it isnt just xmms |
| 16:21.51 | marcot_ | I have just run debootstrap sid bootstrap/ http://localhost:9999/ |
| 16:21.57 | marcot_ | I'm using apt-proxy. |
| 16:22.18 | cuse | marcot_: http://javierlinares.com/debian/docs/chroot/chroot.pdf |
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| 16:24.33 | marcot_ | cuse: Than I'm doing as it says. |
| 16:24.41 | marcot_ | he's not here anymore. |
| 16:24.50 | marcot_ | I think I'm not doing anything wrong. |
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| 16:25.32 | chealer | jan`pains: it also plays about half a second? |
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| 16:26.00 | connex | Can anyone tell me how you can ban an IP in SSH? |
| 16:26.02 | connex | Msg Me |
| 16:26.04 | jan`pains | yep, just the beginning of the file |
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| 16:26.22 | Prawntasm | I can't get burn to work: http://www.ninethsense.com/praveen/pastebin/index.php?p=154 |
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| 16:26.26 | djace | Prawntasm: found it, fuse-utils postinst was broken and hadn't finished. |
| 16:26.32 | djace | thanks :) |
| 16:26.41 | Prawntasm | djace: yw |
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| 16:29.24 | connex | Who knows good SSH here? |
| 16:29.54 | netman1 | connex: bring it on ... ;-) |
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| 16:30.53 | simonrvn | !msg me |
| 16:30.54 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg simonrvn. |
| 16:31.07 | netman1 | connex: banning ip-addresses is functionality you don't find in ssh |
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| 16:31.17 | simonrvn | connex: block them via either /etc/hosts.deny or iptables, or null routing |
| 16:31.19 | pengo | connex is the name the train company in melbourne |
| 16:31.29 | connex | Well, im a webdesigner, and have no knowledge about SSH. My Server is currently under attack, and i don't know what to do. |
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| 16:31.42 | netman1 | connex: you've got two possibilities, iptables of tcpwrappers |
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| 16:31.52 | connex | I do know some SSH commands and when i do IPTraf i see an ip coming back and back |
| 16:32.04 | simonrvn | connex: quikie is to do it via hosts.deny or iptables. null routing might be a bit harder for you |
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| 16:32.10 | connex | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.15 | connex | that is getting spammed |
| 16:32.17 | connex | over and over |
| 16:32.21 | connex | when i do iptraf |
| 16:32.24 | connex | what to do :O |
| 16:32.24 | nanok | udp?.. |
| 16:32.26 | simonrvn | you don't do it in ssh itself, though you can however make a list of disallowed users |
| 16:32.32 | netman1 | connex: somebody thinks you're a dns server |
| 16:32.43 | connex | Isn't it an attack? |
| 16:32.54 | nanok | connex: netstat -netpula | grep 22 |
| 16:32.58 | trave11er | looks like a dns request to me |
| 16:32.58 | nanok | and paste in #flood |
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| 16:33.13 | netman1 | connex: install firestarter, it's most simple |
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| 16:33.26 | connex | well this iptables is installed |
| 16:33.33 | connex | what command should i typ to get this IP blocked. |
| 16:33.53 | netman1 | connex: if you don't know iptables well, try firestarter |
| 16:34.01 | connex | i dont know SSH lol |
| 16:34.07 | connex | I don't know anything about servers actually.. |
| 16:34.08 | simonrvn | iptables -A INPUT -s 208.53.158.199 -j DROP |
| 16:34.13 | connex | But i need to get this ass banned |
| 16:34.23 | nanok | connex: it doesnt seem to be ssh.. |
| 16:34.26 | connex | 66.90.68.25:53 is the one attacking. |
| 16:34.29 | nanok | well, have it your way.. |
| 16:34.36 | simonrvn | oh, then that ^^^ |
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| 16:34.52 | simonrvn | it isn't very hard |
| 16:34.53 | netman1 | connex: he gave the right command |
| 16:35.02 | simonrvn | just wrong IP |
| 16:35.07 | connex | kk |
| 16:35.08 | connex | ill try |
| 16:35.14 | nanok | Ciprian: how is the weather in southpark these days?.. |
| 16:35.17 | nanok | Ciprian: :P |
| 16:35.20 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: wb |
| 16:35.28 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 16:35.38 | Unified | hi i have a problem, i've updated my system to etch, now when i want to watch a dvd (or movie with ac3) and pass the ac3 stream to an external amplifier through, all i get is a really weird 'ticking' sound |
| 16:35.46 | domenik | hallo leute |
| 16:35.55 | Unified | and the amplifier doesn't recognize a dd stream |
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| 16:37.01 | connex | debian:~# iptables -A INPUT -s 66.90.68.25:53 -j DROP |
| 16:37.01 | connex | iptables v1.2.11: host/network `66.90.68.25:53' not found |
| 16:37.01 | connex | Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information. |
| 16:37.03 | connex | -_- |
| 16:37.03 | nanok | !domenik deutsch |
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| 16:37.16 | nanok | hm.. |
| 16:37.21 | nanok | !domenik de |
| 16:37.26 | narinux | linux writes in ntfs |
| 16:37.37 | connex | it says iptables v1.2.11: host/network `66.90.68.25:53' not found |
| 16:37.38 | simonrvn | connex: not the :53 part, *just* the IP |
| 16:37.42 | connex | kk |
| 16:37.43 | connex | lol |
| 16:37.50 | simonrvn | i didn't say include the port |
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| 16:38.14 | connex | ships |
| 16:38.16 | connex | lost the command -_- |
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| 16:38.37 | simonrvn | iptables -A INPUT -s $IP_ADDRESS -j DROP |
| 16:38.44 | connex | ty ty |
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| 16:39.30 | narinux | linux writes in ntfs ? |
| 16:39.34 | simonrvn | no |
| 16:39.42 | domenik | hallo |
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| 16:39.43 | connex | looks like the attack goes on :( |
| 16:39.49 | connex | still the same mssg in iptraf |
| 16:39.58 | simonrvn | just wait a few secs |
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| 16:40.28 | yage | I'm used to ssh -X to my debian box and load X apps from there. But, every time i load a gtk app it exists with a Bad Window error. I think it is a Xorg<=>XFree incompatibility, is there any way to solve this issue? |
| 16:40.34 | simonrvn | what you'll see now is icmp msgs pertaining to the client getting refused connection |
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| 16:40.52 | yage | (ehm, i'm using Xorg on client side) |
| 16:41.34 | connex | nope still: |
| 16:41.35 | connex | UDP (72 bytes) from 208.53.158.199:32985 to 66.90.68.25:53 on eth0 |
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| 16:42.00 | nanok | connex: what is the ip on this machine, on eth0? |
| 16:42.02 | simonrvn | yes, that's just the msgs. iptraf operates lower than iptables |
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| 16:42.12 | simonrvn | it'll get blocked higher up |
| 16:42.35 | connex | hmm |
| 16:42.54 | kanzure | Debian install freezes at "ISOLINUX 2.04 2003-04-16", with a blinking cursor - CD spinning. Help? |
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| 16:43.03 | lef | hm, how can I chech what services get started at boottime? |
| 16:43.03 | simonrvn | it's like tcpdump that way |
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| 16:43.19 | netman1 | lef: ps -ef ? |
| 16:44.04 | lef | netman1, that's a list of running processes. I want to see what services the init scripts start when the machine boots |
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| 16:44.21 | kanzure | lef: run it after boot then :) |
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| 16:44.30 | netman1 | lef : then check your /var/log/syslog and daemon files |
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| 16:44.51 | nanok | lef: ls -la /etc/rcN.d/ |
| 16:44.57 | lef | you must be joking...is this the only way to see what services get started ar boottime?? |
| 16:45.01 | nanok | lef: where N is your default runlevel |
| 16:45.01 | fseek | hello, a question, the apt security repository for sid doesn't work anymore (for a long time actually), what i'm supposed to do, use testing instead ? |
| 16:45.07 | nanok | lef: most likely it is 2 |
| 16:45.25 | lef | nanok, ah that makes more sense |
| 16:45.32 | simonrvn | bootlogd |
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| 16:45.48 | kanzure | Anybody capable of helping me? |
| 16:45.52 | simonrvn | fseek: be patient. just means there haven't been any updates |
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| 16:45.56 | nanok | lef: after you sortit out, use uodate-rc.d |
| 16:45.57 | Simon_Murray | Can anyone a novice install a version of Linux? |
| 16:45.59 | lef | nanok, is there a script that helps me manipulate those? |
| 16:46.08 | fseek | simonrvn: i get a 404 not found |
| 16:46.19 | nanok | lef: update-rc.d |
| 16:46.20 | simonrvn | fseek: non-us, right? /topic |
| 16:46.28 | lef | nanok, thank you |
| 16:46.38 | nanok | lef: np. have fun :) |
| 16:46.48 | connex | looks like the IP was blocked |
| 16:46.51 | connex | but it changed ip lol |
| 16:46.55 | connex | i need the range |
| 16:47.00 | connex | iptables -A INPUT -s 66.90.* -j DROP |
| 16:47.04 | connex | can i typ it like that? |
| 16:47.05 | fseek | simonrvn: ok, this does explain something, but it occurs to security too |
| 16:47.06 | Simon_Murray | Hello, can you offer any assistance to a novice attempting to install linux ? |
| 16:47.06 | nanok | lef: oh, btw. dont do -f remove on some script you dont know what is for.. :) |
| 16:47.10 | simonrvn | you can do ranges, like $IP1-$IP2 |
| 16:47.33 | simonrvn | Simon_Murray: install guide can |
| 16:47.49 | simonrvn | @install guide |
| 16:47.50 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
| 16:48.02 | resiak | lef: Look also at rcconu |
| 16:48.06 | trave11er | connex: isn't 66.90.* the destination (i.e. your) addresses? |
| 16:48.10 | resiak | lef: Look also at rcconf # dvorak! |
| 16:48.18 | kanzure | where can I get the zimage file for loadlin to work? |
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| 16:48.30 | fseek | kanzure arch/i386/boot |
| 16:48.30 | lef | nanok, I have apache2 installed and there is no init script for it.. |
| 16:48.40 | kanzure | fseek: on the cd? |
| 16:48.41 | fseek | kanzure of course after you compiled the kernel |
| 16:48.51 | kanzure | fseek: Win98 is currently running on that machine. |
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| 16:49.16 | fseek | kanzure cant you boot from the installation cd ? |
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| 16:49.21 | kanzure | nope |
| 16:49.25 | defcon8 | why does apt-get always seem to hang on 99 percent of something totalling download? |
| 16:49.39 | kanzure | fseek: pauses at ISOLinux 2.04 2003-04-16 -- doesn't go on from there. Blinking cursor... |
| 16:49.40 | mwilson | It doesn't. |
| 16:49.40 | fseek | kanzure: then you should make some bootdisks, using rawrite |
| 16:49.44 | defcon8 | damn why did my hdd just make that spinning sound :| |
| 16:49.46 | defcon8 | hasnt happened before |
| 16:49.49 | kanzure | fseek: floppy drive malfunctioning :) |
| 16:49.59 | defcon8 | but when i ctrl-c and restart it works fine |
| 16:50.04 | fseek | kanzure: eheh, i know, damn technology |
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| 16:50.10 | rubicant | does anyone know where your data copied with your mouse gets saved ? |
| 16:50.12 | defcon8 | strange huh |
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| 16:50.31 | fseek | kanzure sorry I don't remember anything about loadlin |
| 16:50.31 | defcon8 | rubicant, make a trojan for linux? |
| 16:50.32 | defcon8 | lol |
| 16:50.52 | kanzure | fseek: the only things I can think of is to use the tftp thing for "PCX install" or "boot on net" (something of that sort) - but I have no clue how to go about that, and using loadlin, but I have yet to find the right files. |
| 16:50.55 | mwilson | rubicant: You mean selected with the mouse? |
| 16:51.11 | rubicant | mwilson, yes |
| 16:51.18 | mwilson | rubicant: Because it's not copied anywhere at all. |
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| 16:51.33 | kanzure | Is there a program I can run on Windows to install Debian, if it's directly connected to a Linux box (ethernet, does work) |
| 16:51.34 | defcon8 | mwilson, is it stored in the memory? |
| 16:51.46 | fseek | kanzure I think that booting from ethernet could be a nightmare |
| 16:51.51 | kanzure | hm |
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| 16:51.59 | mwilson | rubicant: The clipboard is in the X server, selections are in the application. |
| 16:52.07 | fseek | but wait a minute |
| 16:52.22 | fseek | if you only need the (b)zImage |
| 16:52.36 | kanzure | hm? |
| 16:52.49 | rubicant | i was hoping for something in /proc/ |
| 16:52.51 | fseek | maybe you can download it via ftp |
| 16:53.02 | connex | iptables -A INPUT -s 66.90.*.* -j DROP |
| 16:53.05 | connex | so how do do this? |
| 16:53.07 | mwilson | rubicant: What would /proc have to do with it? |
| 16:53.08 | defcon8 | anyone know how to limit the bandwidth of a certain app or maybe atleast a user |
| 16:53.09 | connex | the range.. |
| 16:53.12 | nanok | connex: no |
| 16:53.18 | nanok | :) |
| 16:53.20 | connex | how .. |
| 16:53.20 | connex | :D |
| 16:53.30 | nanok | connex: you should read about subneting... |
| 16:53.32 | rubicant | mwilson, saved in a file ? |
| 16:53.41 | rubicant | so the input device can get it |
| 16:53.42 | kanzure | defcon8: Monitor the program's bandwidth, kill it when it's at a certain point -- if there is no way to limit it, that is. |
| 16:53.43 | mwilson | rubicant: /proc isn't a file. |
| 16:53.45 | connex | I'm sorry but i don't have time to learn stuff like this :) |
| 16:53.50 | rubicant | no shit |
| 16:53.51 | nanok | connex: but your problem is actually that you donot really know what you want/have to do.. |
| 16:53.53 | rubicant | geez nevermind |
| 16:54.02 | defcon8 | kanzure, well i havfe shitty upload so i need to limit the upload of azureus |
| 16:54.06 | nanok | what you think is an attack is probablly not one ... |
| 16:54.09 | mwilson | rubicant: How about you describe what you're trying to do rather than your mistaken impression of how it should be done? |
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| 16:54.12 | fseek | kanzure ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/vmlinuz |
| 16:54.16 | kanzure | defcon8: firewall? |
| 16:54.19 | defcon8 | and when i say bandwidth of mean internet speed |
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| 16:54.23 | fseek | actually |
| 16:54.23 | kanzure | fseek: Should I download that? |
| 16:54.23 | connex | Well a fact is that this IP Range is taking all the apache connections. |
| 16:54.25 | fseek | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media |
| 16:54.32 | kanzure | fseek: What's in there that I should get? |
| 16:54.35 | nanok | connex: try 66.90.0.0/16.. allthough i would _not_ advise it |
| 16:54.38 | fseek | kanzure yea, vmlinuz is a bzImage renamed |
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| 16:54.40 | rubicant | mwilson, i have a program that needs 8MB of numbers |
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| 16:54.50 | lef | my server has lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Jan 17 00:42 S14ppp -> ../init.d/ppp. What do I need ppp for? |
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| 16:54.53 | connex | lol why not advise it :O |
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| 16:54.58 | lef | there is no man page for it |
| 16:55.04 | rubicant | and i need to `feed' the numbers to the program |
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| 16:55.17 | mwilson | rubicant: So? |
| 16:55.36 | nanok | connex: there are 2 octets free on that range, do the math to see how many ip's that means... |
| 16:55.46 | fseek | kanzure i dont' remember how loadlin works but in that ftp dir there is everything you need, the bzImage, the initrd and the rest of the image to install debian |
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| 16:55.53 | defcon8 | bah imma watch the telly |
| 16:55.54 | rubicant | so i need to have those numbers in a way so i can paste them |
| 16:56.06 | kanzure | fseek: I'll try it out right now. :) |
| 16:56.14 | nanok | connex: that is, how many ip's (which could mean routers for lan's also) will not be able to connect to your server.. |
| 16:56.15 | fseek | good luck |
| 16:56.21 | mwilson | rubicant: Why do you need to paste them? What's wrong with normal I/O? |
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| 16:56.59 | rubicant | ./prog < data.txt # this doesn work |
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| 16:57.42 | rubicant | so i was wondering if i could copie the data to a file in /proc/ so i could paste it |
| 16:57.49 | mwilson | I really don't know if I'm into beating details out of people this morning or not... let's try, though. You wrote this program? Does anyone get to know what this program is? |
| 16:57.51 | rubicant | when the programs waits for input |
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| 16:58.19 | samuel | anyone know how to configure the xserver for an ati card? |
| 16:58.29 | nanok | rubicant: are you planing to feed data into your proggie (numeric data, no less) by way of copy paste and plan to automate it, because you cant get a shell redirect to work? is that it?... omg.. |
| 16:58.30 | samuel | i tried the ati driver but that doesnt work |
| 16:58.43 | samuel | cant find anything on that in the internet |
| 16:58.52 | mwilson | samuel: Don't lie. |
| 16:59.03 | rubicant | kind of ... |
| 16:59.07 | rubicant | lol |
| 16:59.15 | rubicant | how would you do it ? |
| 16:59.17 | fseek | ok, bye |
| 16:59.24 | mwilson | samuel: If you're too special to search for yourself, you can just say so, but don't bother trying to get people to believe there's no information about ATi and X on the 'net. |
| 16:59.28 | nanok | rubicant: either i am, or you are.. :/ |
| 16:59.46 | rubicant | lets see say we are just both very tired |
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| 17:00.04 | samuel | mwilson, nothing, im trying to look for it with a rather new toshiba laptop, but nobody seems to have put lunix on that laptop, ive searched for the a75-s231 |
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| 17:00.16 | rubicant | Does anyone know how you would do this ? |
| 17:00.17 | nanok | rubicant: well, then i think you should get some sleep and decide how it should be done after ;) |
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| 17:00.27 | trave11er | rubicant: something like ./program < file_with_big_numbers |
| 17:00.31 | mwilson | rubicant: Dunno. Do *you* know how to answer questions people ask you? |
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| 17:00.49 | mwilson | rubicant: Or do you expect a magic solution when you provide no details? |
| 17:00.53 | rubicant | trave11er, i did that |
| 17:01.03 | ColonelKernel | mwilson, thats what I expect. |
| 17:01.15 | jtza8 | Does anyone know why there isn't a wine channel on freenode? |
| 17:01.22 | rubicant | mwilson, if there are wizards around that can explain how to do it that would be nice |
| 17:01.28 | mwilson | jtza8: Does anyone know why there should be one? |
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| 17:01.33 | ColonelKernel | I wanna see some lightning bolts consuming the english out of someones arse |
| 17:01.36 | jtza8 | :) |
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| 17:01.40 | trave11er | rubicant: and? |
| 17:01.41 | rubicant | mwilson, i explained what im doing what part is confusing ? |
| 17:01.42 | mwilson | jtza8: If you think there should be one, perhaps you should create one. |
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| 17:01.43 | shingouz | rubicant: we do not even know what you want to do |
| 17:02.01 | mwilson | rubicant: No, you explained nothing. |
| 17:02.10 | rubicant | give a program a file with _allot_ of numbers |
| 17:02.13 | jtza8 | mwilson: Just wondering |
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| 17:02.32 | rubicant | i need all these numbers in the program |
| 17:02.40 | mwilson | <sigh> They really don't teach people how to think in school any longer, do they? |
| 17:02.44 | yugiohjcj | hi |
| 17:02.52 | shingouz | mwilson: apparently not |
| 17:02.57 | jtza8 | mwilson: they never did. |
| 17:02.58 | ColonelKernel | mwilson, when was that ever done? |
| 17:03.18 | mwilson | rubicant: We'll try again... what application are you trying to redirect this input into? |
| 17:03.18 | rubicant | but no one knows i geuss i will try something else thanks for trying |
| 17:03.24 | ColonelKernel | at least not in US schools - here you have to learn critical thought in spite of education, not because of it |
| 17:03.26 | trave11er | :-) |
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| 17:03.28 | mwilson | wafm |
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| 17:03.36 | rubicant | a program i made |
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| 17:03.53 | trave11er | rubicant: then open the goddamned file from the program and read in the numbers |
| 17:03.56 | mwilson | rubicant: Ah, so the reason it doesn't accept input the way you want it to would be...? |
| 17:03.57 | simonrvn | mwilson: you're eating waffles for breakkie? |
| 17:04.13 | cklennard | hi, i have a local texmf tree in my home dir and generated some local fonts out of .afm files now i need to tell dvips and pdftex where the map files are, is there a way to do this a local user |
| 17:04.13 | trave11er | rubicant: it should be possible in any language |
| 17:04.22 | rubicant | hmm maybe |
| 17:04.27 | trave11er | d'oh |
| 17:04.31 | mwilson | rubicant: If you wrote it, whyinhell doesn't it do input the way you need it to? |
| 17:04.37 | trave11er | rubicant: this idea didn't occur to you before? |
| 17:04.41 | Unified | hi i have a problem, i've updated my system to etch, now when i want to watch a dvd (or movie with ac3) and pass the ac3 stream to an external amplifier through, all i get is a really weird 'ticking' sound and the amplifier doesn't recognize an dd stream at all |
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| 17:04.54 | jtza8 | ColonelKernel: Neither anywhere in the commonwelth, AFAIK, and that's over 80% of the world's landmass :) |
| 17:05.06 | rubicant | thanks uuh trave11er |
| 17:05.44 | trave11er | rubicant: what language is it in, out of curiosity? |
| 17:05.46 | samuel | is there any way i can check an install? something hapened to the internet while downloading a netinstal so i did tasksel again and redid the install with what was missing... but how do i check? |
| 17:05.53 | simonrvn | heh, if they actually taught critical thinking in school, they wouldn't be around for too much longer ;) |
| 17:05.57 | lef | is lpd provided by lpr? |
| 17:06.05 | rubicant | trave11er, fortran95 |
| 17:06.33 | trave11er | rubicant: look up open and read functions then |
| 17:06.37 | resiak | lef: Yes, yes it is. |
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| 17:06.46 | yugiohjcj | I'm downloading Debian 3.1 sarge on DVD. There is 2 DVD?!? |
| 17:06.47 | rubicant | i know them just didn't think of it |
| 17:07.01 | resiak | yugiohjcj: OMG YES!!111111 |
| 17:07.04 | green_earz | samuel: i think apt-get check may be of help ? |
| 17:07.06 | resiak | !tell yugiohjcj -about netinst |
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| 17:07.17 | mwilson | Someone in today's world who thinks he needs to write in Fortran and yet doesn't know how to do file I/O? |
| 17:07.24 | mwilson | Amazing. |
| 17:07.40 | samuel | green_earz, thx |
| 17:07.45 | green_earz | np |
| 17:07.48 | resiak | yugiohjcj: Urgh, that's out of date, sorrp |
| 17:08.08 | lef | resiak, thank you! |
| 17:08.11 | rubicant | mwilson, like i said i didn't think of it |
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| 17:08.52 | yugiohjcj | resiak, so there is 2 DVD for Debian. But if we use the method netinstall, there is just 1? |
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| 17:08.58 | resiak | yugiohjcj: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 17:09.13 | resiak | yugiohjcj: You dowload a minimal CD and install the rest over the internet. |
| 17:09.25 | ohad | my sound works overall tho. there are a couple of application (totem naming one) where the sound doesn't work. ideas why? |
| 17:09.39 | kanzure | Doesn't use the same sound-system ? |
| 17:09.49 | samuel | debconf just does "debconf packagename" correct? |
| 17:09.56 | green_earz | yugiohjcj: the netinstall cd is only 110 meg in size. it will install the base and then the rest is over the net |
| 17:09.56 | kanzure | I have the same problem. Flash "things" in Mozilla don't play sound, whereas alsaplayer and xmms do. |
| 17:09.59 | ohad | kanzure, i would think so |
| 17:09.59 | yugiohjcj | resiak, ok |
| 17:10.17 | ohad | so how do we resolve this? |
| 17:10.18 | yugiohjcj | green_earz, roger |
| 17:10.32 | kanzure | ohad: I just stopped with Flash videos :) |
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| 17:10.34 | kanzure | You? :P |
| 17:10.51 | ohad | kanzure, :p restart alsa? |
| 17:10.58 | kanzure | ohad: not alsa. OSS. |
| 17:11.12 | kanzure | Alsa doesn't like my SB live (24b) AudigyLS thing |
| 17:11.24 | yugiohjcj | resiak, but I've downloaded the first DVD for Debian and in fex time the last. So I will use the full DVD. |
| 17:11.35 | resiak | yugiohjcj: Fair enough. |
| 17:11.39 | ohad | kanzure, it is something to do with the sound server and the way those reasorce are allocated |
| 17:11.42 | yugiohjcj | resiak, I used jigdo |
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| 17:11.52 | ohad | kanzure, restart the oss? |
| 17:11.53 | resiak | yugiohjcj: Good for you! |
| 17:12.01 | ohad | kanzure, what for? |
| 17:12.07 | rhs | greetings. the installer doesn't let me select an existing partition. Is there anyway to get around it? it's a laptop, 60GB ATA disk |
| 17:12.09 | kanzure | ohad: What? |
| 17:12.13 | green_earz | yugiohjcj: how did you download the dvd http or bittorent ? |
| 17:12.19 | yugiohjcj | resiak, for the woody there was only on DVD isn't it? |
| 17:12.33 | yugiohjcj | resiak, for the woody there was only 1 DVD isn't it? |
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| 17:12.44 | resiak | yugiohjcj: You speak truth. |
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| 17:13.08 | yugiohjcj | resiak, I'm french...But I like the official Debian channel |
| 17:14.02 | resiak | yugiohjcj: I'm English, and this isn't official, but what's your point? :) |
| 17:14.11 | jethro | heh |
| 17:14.19 | green_earz | yugiohjcj: to check the integrity of the dvd let the install run up to the network config part of a install and then pick "Go back" option to get to the main menu. then pick integrity check |
| 17:14.20 | Peterken | Hello all, i'm trying to set up my dualhead nvidia card (FX 5700) for dualscreen. (only one screen is no problem ..) I'm busy & trying for the whole weekend at this moment, but i can't fix it. Has anyone the same card in combination with dualscreen? |
| 17:14.35 | yugiohjcj | resiak, I don't understand "point" sorry my English is not good ^^' |
| 17:14.39 | Peterken | Or a manual what will work |
| 17:14.45 | resiak | yugiohjcj:Never mind. |
| 17:14.49 | simonrvn | @dict point |
| 17:14.52 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'point' (1 of 46): L, Thule, Ultima Thule, abode, accent, accentuate, ace, acerbity, acidity, acme, acridity, acrimony, aculeate, aculeus, acuminate, acumination, address, advance guard, advantage, affective meaning, aim, aim at, airhead, allude to, ambition, amount, analyze, ancestor, angle, animus, announcer, antecedent, antler, apex, apogee, ... |
| 17:15.00 | simonrvn | ... |
| 17:15.20 | simonrvn | didn't want the fricking synonyms... |
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| 17:15.28 | yugiohjcj | resiak, OK so there was 1 DVD for woody but now 2 DVD for sarge it's just what I wanted to know ;-) |
| 17:15.29 | kanzure | Kernel panic: CFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:01 (set root=/dev/hda1 ) |
| 17:15.34 | kanzure | *VFS |
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| 17:15.44 | shingouz | kanzure: custom kernel? |
| 17:15.52 | kanzure | shingouz: nay. |
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| 17:16.14 | leonel | there's no info about security on the topic ? any other place to get real info about sarge security status ? |
| 17:16.18 | Radiance | guys, if i remove udev from a 2.6 system, should i have oldstyle devfs enabled in the kernel before doing so ? |
| 17:16.23 | yugiohjcj | resiak, and if I use jigdo for download, this is the official methode |
| 17:16.39 | valdyn_ | kanzure: well, tell us about how you got to that error. |
| 17:16.39 | shingouz | kanzure: in that case you need to tell your bootloader to use the correct root fs |
| 17:16.43 | Radiance | or none are needed if i use MAKEDEV to create the most used devs in /dev ? |
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| 17:16.55 | kanzure | shingouz: Which is my root fs? I'm installing via loadlin |
| 17:17.09 | kanzure | valdyn_: loadlin, trying to install Debian. |
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| 17:17.19 | shingouz | .... :( |
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| 17:17.30 | kanzure | same error when i set root=/dev/ram |
| 17:17.36 | Fac51 | anyone in here use limewire? i'm having issues with it |
| 17:17.38 | kanzure | should it be /dev/ramdisk ?? |
| 17:17.40 | shingouz | kanzure: just put the install cd in the cd and boot the damn thing |
| 17:17.42 | Fac51 | on debian 3.1 |
| 17:17.52 | shingouz | !tell Fac51 about polls |
| 17:17.53 | kanzure | shingouz: it freezes with "ISOLinux 2.04 <date>" |
| 17:18.03 | shingouz | kanzure: and the hardware is? |
| 17:18.07 | rubicant | ok small fix and ./prog < file.txt works |
| 17:18.13 | valdyn_ | kanzure: im not sure loadlin is supported at all anymore |
| 17:18.16 | rubicant | thanks for the help =) |
| 17:18.17 | kanzure | shingouz: x86, uh, 64mb of ram, 400mhhz.. |
| 17:18.21 | yugiohjcj | resiak, if I want to upgrade, this is because I have a problem with my mail server |
| 17:18.35 | shingouz | kanzure: clone box or brand name? |
| 17:18.42 | kanzure | shingouz: cybermax |
| 17:18.53 | shingouz | kanzure: clone in other words |
| 17:19.02 | kanzure | Is that what Cybermax is? |
| 17:19.11 | shingouz | i have never heard of them |
| 17:19.13 | yugiohjcj | resiak, you know well postfix? |
| 17:19.15 | kanzure | heh |
| 17:19.31 | shingouz | kanzure: do you have a floppy drive on the thing? |
| 17:19.34 | kanzure | yes. |
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| 17:19.56 | narg | Why would I get a 403 (forbidden) error on a package repo? |
| 17:20.01 | shingouz | kanzure: use the netinstall floppies then. they should be on the cd |
| 17:20.08 | kanzure | shingouz: alright. |
| 17:20.12 | dabaR | hi, Can you add an entry to grub to boot from a cd? |
| 17:20.16 | kanzure | shingouz: is rawrite.exe also on there? |
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| 17:20.29 | shingouz | kanzure: should be. not sure where but it should be |
| 17:20.38 | yugiohjcj | resiak, the mail() PHP function don't send the mails now! It's for what I format and install a new Debian :-) |
| 17:20.43 | valdyn_ | kanzure: in tools/ |
| 17:20.51 | shingouz | kanzure: boot (or rescue), root and possibly net floppies |
| 17:20.55 | kanzure | valdyn_: thanks :) |
| 17:21.04 | yugiohjcj | resiak, I thing I've edit baddly a configuration file for postfix |
| 17:21.17 | yugiohjcj | resiak, I think* I've edit baddly a configuration file for postfix |
| 17:21.22 | kanzure | shingouz: sigh, off to find a floppy |
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| 17:22.06 | zdom | (1) SET UP AUDACITY |
| 17:22.06 | zdom | Get Audacity from audacity.sourceforge.net; Run Audacity; Go to File -> Preferences -> Digital I/O -> Recording and choose a “Digital Audio”-class device rather than an “Input”-class device (which will replace microphone input with combined microphone **and** speaker recording); choose to record two channels of stereo; finally, close Preferences, and choose “Wave Out Mix” as the source of signal on the main window of Audacity; |
| 17:22.06 | zdom | (2) SET UP THE SOUND DRIVER |
| 17:22.06 | zdom | Go to Control Panel -> Sounds and Audio Devices -> Volume -> Advanced and make sure the microphone is not muted; you may also want to click on “Advanced” settings for the microphone and check “MIC Boost” to amplify your voice. |
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| 17:22.42 | abrotman | what the fuck was that ? |
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| 17:22.56 | dabaR | a flood. |
| 17:23.02 | abrotman | no shit sherlock |
| 17:23.24 | dabaR | yay. |
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| 17:23.37 | dabaR | Can you make a grub entry for booting off a cd? |
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| 17:24.18 | abrotman | dabaR: you can ask #grub or check thier faq on thier website |
| 17:24.27 | kanzure | dabar: ask in #grub ?! |
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| 17:24.34 | kanzure | do'h, sorry abrotman. |
| 17:24.49 | dabaR | thanks. |
| 17:24.49 | battlecat | Hello. I am going to install Bonzai Linux on my Standalone terminal with no chance of an internet connection. Are packages difficult to obtain with a debian based distro? |
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| 17:25.01 | abrotman | battlecat: wrong channel .. this is for debian support |
| 17:25.11 | kanzure | battlecat: Bonzai doesn't make a linux. |
| 17:25.22 | kanzure | battlecat: bonzai is a virus for Windows. Don't be fooled! |
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| 17:25.35 | ohad | kanzure, any other ideas? didn't work |
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| 17:25.39 | battlecat | Oh I am sorry I thought a debian would have info about all debian based releases |
| 17:25.41 | kanzure | ohad: None whatsoever |
| 17:25.46 | ohad | :) |
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| 17:25.53 | ohad | ok. thanks |
| 17:25.58 | kanzure | battlecat: you thought wrong. hang your head in shame |
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| 17:26.26 | battlecat | I see that. It seems that Linux is more fragmented than ever. |
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| 17:27.07 | narg | Ok. Come tell us that right after MS tech surport help with you with your mac ;) |
| 17:27.08 | kanzure | What's that supposed to mean? |
| 17:27.21 | geordie | battlecat: that's an odd and negative look at it |
| 17:27.29 | abrotman | battlecat: why not just install debian proper ? |
| 17:27.33 | kanzure | geordie: we don't even know if he meant it as a negative comment |
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| 17:27.43 | geordie | kanzure: true |
| 17:27.51 | battlecat | Because Debian itself wants me to download 14 cds |
| 17:27.51 | abrotman | how could it be positive |
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| 17:27.58 | resiak | battlecat: Lies~ |
| 17:28.00 | abrotman | battlecat: you don't need all 14 |
| 17:28.01 | kanzure | battlecat: Debian doesn't want you to do anything. |
| 17:28.02 | battlecat | I cannot see download 14 cds for a few progs |
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| 17:28.09 | resiak | battlecat: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 17:28.11 | abrotman | battlecat: what do you want the machine to do ? |
| 17:28.12 | kanzure | battlecat: Then get the netinstall, 104mb |
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| 17:28.16 | pipeline | battlecat: You only need the mini ISO -- it's about a hundred megs |
| 17:28.19 | abrotman | he just said .. no network |
| 17:28.24 | kanzure | heh, |
| 17:28.27 | pipeline | abrotman: The mini-iso contains a full system |
| 17:28.40 | abrotman | pipeline: with pretty much nothing else .. read his full question |
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| 17:28.50 | battlecat | XFCE or KDE with GIMP XSANE INKSCAPE SODIPODI some other web tools |
| 17:28.55 | abrotman | AND WHAT? |
| 17:28.58 | jethro | !caps |
| 17:28.59 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put _* on both sides of them. _emphasize_ them. |
| 17:29.00 | abrotman | I LOVE GIMP |
| 17:29.14 | pipeline | battlecat: The packages are ordered by popularity, so you can probably get away with downloading the first two CDs. |
| 17:29.19 | initech | abrotman: YOU ARE GIMP |
| 17:29.26 | battlecat | I see. |
| 17:29.26 | abrotman | battlecat: why won't you have internet ? |
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| 17:29.38 | battlecat | Hmm. Tempting to just stay with WinXP. |
| 17:29.42 | pipeline | battlecat: Alternatively, you can resolve the dependencies ahead of time with "apt-get -d" and just make one CD with the specific packages you have. |
| 17:29.55 | pipeline | battlecat: Well, if you've already paid for it, why not stick with WinXP? Just don't ask us for help. Try EFnet. |
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| 17:30.33 | nanok | battlecat: why, are you counting on it nervously breaking down before you do?... i would think twice.. |
| 17:30.37 | nanok | :) |
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| 17:30.56 | battlecat | think twice? |
| 17:30.58 | battlecat | About waht? |
| 17:31.28 | nanok | about life , the universe and..everything.. |
| 17:31.33 | kanzure | No, don't |
| 17:31.36 | kanzure | there's no point in that |
| 17:31.49 | nanok | duuh, what were we talking about? :) it was just a joke anyway, dont mind me.. |
| 17:31.51 | kanzure | that's what religion is for :P Verges that gap for you so you can continue progressing with whatever it is that you have to do |
| 17:31.52 | kanzure | end rant |
| 17:32.23 | nanok | kanzure: dont get /me started about religion and all that.. |
| 17:32.28 | nanok | </rant> |
| 17:32.46 | kanzure | nanok: I will win. |
| 17:32.55 | ColonelKernel | the gap between emotional trauma and rainwashing |
| 17:32.58 | Phated | Uhm, WTF? Take it to #religion or something, you two. |
| 17:33.19 | kanzure | not even one-or-two-sentence flamewars are allowed? |
| 17:33.25 | jethro | no |
| 17:33.28 | kanzure | VFS: Cannot open root device "" or 08:01 |
| 17:33.34 | abrotman | oh .. let them continue |
| 17:33.36 | Phated | Hahahahahahahaha, you call -that- a flame war? sorry, take it to #deluded. |
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| 17:33.50 | abrotman | aliased to #religion |
| 17:33.53 | kanzure | just rawwrite(n).exe'd vmlinuz to format |
| 17:33.57 | kanzure | abrotman :) |
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| 17:34.04 | nanok | well, what two? i said nothing about religion, i will only say i will _not_ discuss it.. |
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| 17:34.24 | initech | or better, take to #politics, there's always dumb asses in there. on sunday usually it nazis i think |
| 17:34.25 | kanzure | there's nothing to discuss. that was my point. |
| 17:34.26 | nanok | Phated: is closer to the truth i guess.. :) |
| 17:34.32 | Phated | nanok: You could have simply -not- discussed it. Discussing something to state that you won't discuss it... hahahah. |
| 17:34.43 | simonrvn | initech: eew. and they're tolerated? |
| 17:34.46 | kanzure | Phated: Well you just continued the chain, as am I now |
| 17:34.46 | shingouz | kanzure: no vmlinuz.. you should be able to find the boot.img, root.img somewhere on the cd (in disks i think it is) |
| 17:34.47 | nanok | kanzure: so your point was that there was no point in trying to make a point.. |
| 17:34.49 | pipeline | I smell a drama whore. |
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| 17:34.58 | kanzure | shingouz: which one should I rawrite? boot.img |
| 17:35.10 | kanzure | nanok: my point is that religion is not a point. |
| 17:35.14 | Phated | kanzure: Indeed I did, and why shouldn't I? He did, you did, I did, we did, they did. |
| 17:35.21 | abrotman | oh .. really .. drop it |
| 17:35.22 | Phated | Watch me conjugate! |
| 17:35.23 | ColonelKernel | religion is a lack of critical thought. |
| 17:35.25 | kanzure | Phated: can we go again? |
| 17:35.28 | shingouz | kanzure: boot.img, root.img |
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| 17:35.38 | initech | simonrvn: #politics on freenode is an absolute shithole. yes, it's full of skinheads and objectivists |
| 17:35.40 | nanok | Phated: i was NOT. i just sai something about "life the universe and everything", kanzure thought imediatly about religion, i told him i will not discuss that. thats all |
| 17:35.41 | kanzure | shingouz: it only gave me room for one in the program |
| 17:35.48 | abrotman | stop stop |
| 17:35.51 | kanzure | as a parameter |
| 17:35.53 | Phated | kanzure: No thanks, you're bad for my complexion. |
| 17:35.55 | pipeline | initech: Well, that makes it a good cross-section of the community. |
| 17:35.57 | simonrvn | religion has nothing to do with spirituality. spirituality is a personal, private affair. now please STFU |
| 17:35.59 | ColonelKernel | an objectivist? |
| 17:36.02 | paulswm | initech: well some of the shit is leaking into here, obviously. |
| 17:36.02 | shingouz | kanzure: jfc.. you need two floppies |
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| 17:36.18 | ColonelKernel | someone who believes in an objective truth? |
| 17:36.18 | shingouz | kanzure: one file per floppy |
| 17:36.21 | kanzure | ColonelKernel: Where? |
| 17:36.27 | pipeline | initech: I don't know if you noticed, but fascism and pseudo-philosophies like objectivism have quite a following in technical communities. |
| 17:36.27 | kanzure | shingouz: How would I use both floppies? |
| 17:36.28 | ColonelKernel | I guess here |
| 17:36.49 | initech | pipeline: yeah i noticed |
| 17:36.49 | pipeline | ColonelKernel: Objectivists are follows of Ayn Rand. In a nutshell: Women are worthless and fuck the poor. |
| 17:36.53 | simonrvn | pipeline: also anarchism, and sub-'categories' |
| 17:36.58 | ColonelKernel | and objective truth is pseudo-philosophy? |
| 17:37.04 | ColonelKernel | lol |
| 17:37.05 | abrotman | !start a religion war |
| 17:37.06 | dpkg | Americanists beat the living shit out of Islamics today. |
| 17:37.12 | kanzure | abrotman: nah, philosophy war |
| 17:37.12 | abrotman | americanists ? |
| 17:37.14 | waTR | whats a linux media player that can play Shoutcast NSV TV streams? I have tried XINE and VLC and neither one does it |
| 17:37.15 | Phated | Anarchistic categories? :O oh the paradox! |
| 17:37.15 | ColonelKernel | I like Ayn Rand, shes a self determinist |
| 17:37.20 | resiak | abrotman: Islamics? |
| 17:37.20 | abrotman | wtf is an americanist ? |
| 17:37.23 | shingouz | kanzure: did you read the install docs in the first place? you boot with the one that says "boot" then linux will prompt you for the root filesystem and oyu change the "root" floppy in there |
| 17:37.29 | Phated | abrotman: A bushist, mebbe. |
| 17:37.31 | abrotman | who the fuck made that factoid |
| 17:37.32 | pipeline | waTR: You could try Wasabi player; it was the abortive winamp3 |
| 17:37.34 | simonrvn | phaethon: sure, anarcho-syndicalism, green anarchy, etc. |
| 17:37.39 | simonrvn | phaethon: sorry |
| 17:37.40 | jethro | wtf |
| 17:37.41 | paulswm | FFS, do we have to do this? I for one find some of the remarks about religion offensive. |
| 17:37.43 | kanzure | shingouz: Thank you, I have to go for a while. :) |
| 17:37.43 | abrotman | !literal start a religion war |
| 17:37.44 | Phated | Yes, simonrvn. :) |
| 17:37.44 | dpkg | start a religion war is <REPLY> (Christians|Islamics|Hindus|Sikhs|Agnostics|Buddhists|Americanists) beat the living shit out of (Jews|Arabs|Cultistists|Christians|Islamics|Hindus|Sikhs) today. |
| 17:37.44 | simonrvn | Phated: sure, anarcho-syndicalism, green anarchy, etc. |
| 17:37.50 | abrotman | !factinfo start a religion war |
| 17:37.50 | dpkg | start a religion war -- created by ricky_clarkson <~ricky_cla@host-0616.maxwell.salford.ac.uk> at Fri Jun 6 16:55:58 2003 (751 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by abrotman, 45s ago. |
| 17:37.53 | Phated | paulswm: sorry, luv. |
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| 17:38.08 | waTR | pipeline: thanks trying it right now |
| 17:38.21 | resiak | Everyone: let's type /clear and get back on-topic. |
| 17:38.24 | pipeline | waTR: I warn you now, it sucks terribly. |
| 17:38.28 | paulswm | Phated: wasn't taking aim at you, but you're kind, thx |
| 17:38.29 | abrotman | resiak: i want your babies |
| 17:38.35 | Pryon | apt-get install ed |
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| 17:38.42 | resiak | abrotman: omg cybar?! /mesg me |
| 17:38.44 | initech | abrotman: ? i have them |
| 17:38.48 | pipeline | ColonelKernel: One day you'll wake up and realize that you use public services as much as anyone |
| 17:38.49 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 17:38.56 | dan2 | !start a religion war |
| 17:38.56 | dpkg | Agnostics beat the living shit out of Cultistists today. |
| 17:38.58 | Phated | paulswm: :) |
| 17:39.05 | abrotman | cultistists ? |
| 17:39.10 | waTR | pipeline: I guess its not in the Debian packages...? |
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| 17:39.11 | abrotman | wtf is wrong with ricky_clarkson ? |
| 17:39.11 | ColonelKernel | pipeline, the world is what the world is |
| 17:39.16 | resiak | dan2: Drop it. |
| 17:39.29 | pipeline | waTR: No, it's not very popular or easy to build. |
| 17:39.40 | andre_m | anyone know why there hasn't been an apt-get update for ~60 hours for sid? |
| 17:39.44 | ColonelKernel | not to mention, Ive earned my right to public services |
| 17:39.50 | abrotman | andre_m: it's the weekend ? |
| 17:39.55 | abrotman | andre_m: your mirror is out of date ? |
| 17:39.56 | paulswm | !aolify ColonelKernel |
| 17:39.59 | abrotman | err out of sync |
| 17:40.06 | andre_m | abrotman: the last weekends were busier than weekdays... |
| 17:40.11 | simonrvn | suggestion: /ignore ColonelKernel |
| 17:40.17 | ColonelKernel | yawn |
| 17:40.20 | paulswm | andre_m: There's been nothing new in etch either. |
| 17:40.32 | andre_m | mirror is ftp.de.debian.org ... |
| 17:40.43 | valdyn | andre_m: b/c some servers/services are being moved |
| 17:40.43 | abrotman | andre_m: look at the date on the packages file |
| 17:40.50 | andre_m | paulswm: k, everyone chilling after sarge release? :) |
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| 17:40.57 | dan2 | abrotman: no, uploads are being blocked to incoming right now |
| 17:40.58 | paulswm | simonrvn: good idea, I'd rather look at goat.se :P |
| 17:40.58 | andre_m | valdyn: ah, ok |
| 17:41.03 | abrotman | dan2: yay |
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| 17:41.07 | ColonelKernel | lol |
| 17:41.11 | simonrvn | andre_m: no, debian lost some free hosting. looking for new space |
| 17:41.17 | ColonelKernel | trolls in linux channels, how amusing. |
| 17:41.18 | andre_m | simonrvn: oh |
| 17:41.20 | paulswm | andre_m: Well it was pretty busy in etch, but nothing today |
| 17:41.22 | simonrvn | see debian-devel-announce |
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| 17:41.44 | abrotman | morons in linux channels, how amusing. |
| 17:41.50 | abrotman | !sing sunday |
| 17:41.51 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 17:42.08 | dan2 | abrotman: at least they aren't as bad as the morons who deal with windows in the real world |
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| 17:42.29 | dan2 | !sing sussudio |
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| 17:42.34 | ColonelKernel | I see - and what exactly have I done that makes me a "moron"? |
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| 17:42.41 | paulswm | dan2: Actually, they are mostly worse, at least the Windows ones don't argue about "windows-based" :P |
| 17:42.46 | unimatrix9 | hi there |
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| 17:43.10 | unimatrix9 | got an small problem, i have an very basic debian setup |
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| 17:43.19 | unimatrix9 | ment to run an slide show |
| 17:43.37 | unimatrix9 | but the monitor goes to sleep after a while |
| 17:43.42 | samuel | ati does not have any notebook drivers on its site... is there any place i can get ati linux drivers for notebooks? |
| 17:43.49 | unimatrix9 | how to turn this off? |
| 17:43.53 | abrotman | Option "DPMS" "Off" |
| 17:43.53 | waTR | pipeline: yeah I cant even find a download site for it |
| 17:43.53 | singe_ | samuel: google? |
| 17:43.55 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 17:43.57 | dpkg | well, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option"DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 17:44.01 | waTR | pipeline: the main dev site is down |
| 17:44.03 | pipeline | waTR: Looks like the project is dead |
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| 17:44.10 | abrotman | unimatrix9: make sense ? |
| 17:44.11 | waTR | pipeline: yeah,,, |
| 17:44.18 | unimatrix9 | rreading it |
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| 17:44.42 | abrotman | Option "DPMS" "Off" in your X config |
| 17:44.43 | waTR | pipeline: is there any projects out there that you would say are going to put support in for ShoutCast TV? |
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| 17:44.52 | rutek63 | hellpo |
| 17:44.59 | unimatrix9 | ok, seems straight forward.. |
| 17:45.02 | rutek63 | I can't seam to find a good rar pack/unpacker for debian |
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| 17:45.13 | rutek63 | apt-cache search rar | grep rar shows SOOO much |
| 17:45.32 | valdyn | rutek63: apt-cache search unrar? |
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| 17:45.52 | honschu | rutek63: I used to use unrar |
| 17:46.31 | M4rc3L0 | Good morning everyone, from Rio de Janeiro - Brazil |
| 17:46.37 | paulswm | rutek63: package 'rar' is in non-free. |
| 17:47.07 | valdyn | rutek63: apt-cache show p7zip |
| 17:47.18 | M4rc3L0 | #debian-br |
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| 17:48.20 | simonrvn | one track mind... |
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| 17:48.29 | Unified | i have a problem, i've updated my system to etch, now when i want to watch a dvd (or movie with ac3) and pass the ac3 stream to an external amplifier through, all i get is a really weird 'ticking' sound and the amplifier doesn't recognize an dd stream at all |
| 17:48.37 | simonrvn | (ColonelKernel's /quit msg) |
| 17:48.39 | M4rc3L0 | Needed synce-kde how-to tnx |
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| 17:48.49 | paulswm | simonrvn: indeed. |
| 17:49.02 | simonrvn | M4rc3L0: eh? what do you mean? |
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| 17:49.32 | M4rc3L0 | I need a how-to for install synce-kde package |
| 17:49.48 | simonrvn | apt-get install foo bar - no need for a howto |
| 17:50.17 | paulswm | M4rc3L0: apt-cache install synce-kde |
| 17:50.27 | simonrvn | er |
| 17:50.28 | paulswm | sorry, apt-get |
| 17:50.28 | OleMoudi | do you guys know any updated hardware list with good debian support? I intend to buy a computer next month and I would like to choose wisely the components |
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| 17:50.46 | jobezone | Unified: have you configured alsa? run as root: alsaconf |
| 17:50.56 | M4rc3L0 | Tnx simonrvn but in troubles here to use it, is there anybody there using multisync rapi raki and sync with evolution ? |
| 17:50.59 | simonrvn | OleMoudi: if it's supported by linux, it's supported by debian |
| 17:51.01 | BlueShift | OleMoudi: the kernel source. :p |
| 17:51.03 | shingouz | OleMoudi: whatever is supported by the kernel is supported by debian |
| 17:51.09 | webfreak | !sing |
| 17:51.10 | dpkg | Daisy, daisy, give me your answer do... |
| 17:51.19 | simonrvn | M4rc3L0: i don't know. just ask your question |
| 17:51.21 | Unified | jobezone sure, i mean everything worked perfectly before the last upgrade |
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| 17:51.44 | Thanatermesis | how to change the pass of one user with a script command? ( "passwd user pass" not works) |
| 17:52.02 | OleMoudi | so where do I look the supported hardware list of the kernel? modconf ? |
| 17:52.22 | jobezone | Unified: before the upgrade you were using Sarge? |
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| 17:52.57 | shingouz | OleMoudi: you should do it the easy way. pick the hardware you would like to run and google it up. most hardware is supported these days |
| 17:53.27 | webfreak | OleMoudi: i might recommend an nvidia video card |
| 17:53.47 | TwistedEmotions | Hey... trying to burn a album to CD and everytime I do it the CD turns out all faqered up... I cant figure it out... I think it's the MP3's Im using... other mp3's are fine but these ones cause errors... does anyone know of a way to fix them? |
| 17:53.48 | OleMoudi | that's what I heard |
| 17:54.05 | OleMoudi | webfreak, is it the only manufacturer with linux drivers? |
| 17:54.06 | Phated | OleMoudi: A creative soundcard. |
| 17:54.08 | simonrvn | i wouldn't - non-free driver |
| 17:54.14 | webfreak | OleMoudi: no, ati has linux drivers, but they suck. |
| 17:54.15 | Phated | A matrox video card! |
| 17:54.17 | Supaplex | TwistedEmotions: redbook audio from mp3? |
| 17:54.29 | TwistedEmotions | Supaplex: redbook? |
| 17:54.29 | shingouz | OleMoudi: you do not download the drivers like you do wiht windows. the kernel takes care of them |
| 17:54.37 | caphuso | modern matrox cards require non-free drivers too |
| 17:54.53 | Supaplex | TwistedEmotions: just like a normal 1990 audio cd |
| 17:54.54 | TwistedEmotions | !redbook |
| 17:54.54 | dpkg | redbook is probably http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/ - a large respository of tech info |
| 17:54.58 | webfreak | um |
| 17:55.00 | webfreak | right |
| 17:55.05 | Phated | Non-modern matroxes, then. |
| 17:55.05 | OleMoudi | I see |
| 17:55.21 | TwistedEmotions | Supaplex: yeah... trying to turn mp3's into normal audio CD.. |
| 17:55.22 | ganryu | is there a recent guide to compiling the kernel for newbies. i'm having no luck getting it to boot when i follow the guides i found on google. (sorry i'm new) |
| 17:55.49 | Supaplex | TwistedEmotions: what tool you using? |
| 17:55.51 | TwistedEmotions | Supaplex: I believe k3b transfers without any problems.. |
| 17:55.57 | TwistedEmotions | k3b |
| 17:56.01 | shingouz | ganryu: jsut grab a debian kernel and be done with it |
| 17:56.23 | Supaplex | ganryu: or if you want to roll your own, /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:57.07 | narg | gah, I cant remember, whats the command to split files in parts (opposite of cat) |
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| 17:57.23 | simonrvn | ganryu: newbiedoc.sf.net, the kernel building section |
| 17:57.44 | Supaplex | narg: split? |
| 17:58.07 | Supaplex | tac is the oppisite of cat, which reverses the line order of a file. |
| 17:58.08 | simonrvn | and join, the counterpoint |
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| 17:58.16 | simonrvn | ...of split |
| 17:59.06 | Thanatermesis | how to change the pass of one user with a script command? ( "passwd user pass" not works) |
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| 17:59.18 | Supaplex | atleast it wasn't what command do I use to cat a file. :) |
| 17:59.54 | simonrvn | Thanatermesis: i'm sure there are some around on the web, google for it |
| 18:00.13 | Supaplex | Thanatermesis: iirc, there's a command like switch to read the password from stdin. check the man page. (and never ever allow the password to be on the command line itself. someone could snatch it up from ps axuww if they are lucky.) |
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| 18:01.08 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: man chpasswd |
| 18:01.14 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 18:01.32 | renato` | hey, is there someway to boot the install using the ISO in the hd instead of a real cd?? |
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| 18:02.17 | scytheman | renato`, qemu |
| 18:02.21 | simonrvn | renato`: yes |
| 18:02.56 | me_here | renato`: feed your iso to grub, it will tell ya things :) |
| 18:03.03 | abrotman | Piggy: SQUEAL! |
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| 18:03.36 | renato` | hm |
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| 18:05.00 | Supaplex | grub boots off iso images for real? |
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| 18:06.32 | TwistedEmotions | Grrr... anyone know how to transfer from mp3 to wav? |
| 18:06.50 | cmihai | Yes. |
| 18:06.51 | TwistedEmotions | Or the default format for CD Burning? |
| 18:06.53 | kanzure | TwistedEmotions: I don't know of any programs, but try playing the mp3 and then recording your output |
| 18:07.00 | cmihai | lol |
| 18:07.01 | kanzure | TwistedEmotions: Defualt format may be cda. |
| 18:07.07 | Supaplex | TwistedEmotions: yea, buy a cd player that supports mp3's ;) |
| 18:07.09 | cmihai | Just install lame. |
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| 18:07.18 | cmihai | Or use XMMS for fsck sake, it can output wav. |
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| 18:07.40 | TwistedEmotions | Supaplex: ;P Dont have that kind of cash... plus dont feel like changing car deck |
| 18:07.42 | cmihai | Just select the default audio out plugin for xmms as WAV (ex: disk writer plugin) |
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| 18:07.55 | cmihai | or use lame. Or a lot of other tools. |
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| 18:08.24 | unimatrix9 | how can i see wich xserver i use? |
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| 18:08.44 | abrotman | dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:08.46 | dpkg | ii xserver-xfree86 1.1-15.1 abrotman's private stamp collection |
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| 18:08.49 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 18:08.50 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 18:08.50 | cmihai | mp3-decode -w outputs wav also TwistedEmotions |
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| 18:09.23 | unimatrix9 | i dont have xfree86 |
| 18:09.30 | abrotman | are you using debian ? |
| 18:09.31 | unimatrix9 | what could it be |
| 18:09.32 | unimatrix9 | ? |
| 18:09.36 | _SerhaT_ | x.org ? |
| 18:09.37 | Spec | dpkg -l cowsay |
| 18:09.38 | dpkg | ii cowsay 3.3-4 spec's private gamp collection |
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| 18:09.47 | abrotman | unimatrix9: are you using debian ? |
| 18:09.57 | unimatrix9 | dammn small linux |
| 18:09.59 | shingouz | unimatrix9: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:10.02 | abrotman | then ask them .. we have no idea |
| 18:10.10 | unimatrix9 | ah, lol |
| 18:10.21 | unimatrix9 | where can i find them do you think? |
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| 18:10.43 | shingouz | unimatrix9: did you check their website? |
| 18:10.50 | Supaplex | you could install debian. heh |
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| 18:11.13 | unimatrix9 | this is debian.. |
| 18:11.26 | shingouz | unimatrix9: no it is not. and lets not start on that thread at all |
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| 18:12.49 | phogg | I've installed egroupware and gone to the web-based setup, but it tells me mysql and postgresql are not detected, but MS SQL Server is. What the hell? |
| 18:12.57 | Supaplex | mmm organic blue corn mmmm yummy |
| 18:13.03 | unimatrix9 | ? |
| 18:13.06 | unimatrix9 | well |
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| 18:13.26 | XI-Phazor | what version of x does sarge use? (sarge box not on cant check) |
| 18:13.27 | Unified | phogg, well, you could then install mysql or postgresql |
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| 18:13.36 | Unified | 4.3 |
| 18:13.44 | phogg | Unified: I have both installed and mysql running |
| 18:13.45 | XI-Phazor | ok |
| 18:13.47 | XI-Phazor | thx |
| 18:13.49 | Supaplex | XI-Phazor: packages.debian.org |
| 18:14.06 | XI-Phazor | I kinda wish it was x.org since all these packages want x.org 6.8 |
| 18:14.30 | kanzure | Recommendations? ext 3 fs or ext2? |
| 18:14.36 | XI-Phazor | ext3 |
| 18:14.36 | Unified | ext3 |
| 18:14.53 | XI-Phazor | better journaling, faster, makes you look sexy |
| 18:15.01 | kanzure | sexy? then I'm in. |
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| 18:15.20 | phogg | For sexy you need to go to a cool journaling fs |
| 18:15.24 | Spec | ricerfs? |
| 18:15.28 | XI-Phazor | it works like a placibo, you see the whole act is in your mind not the fs itself |
| 18:15.39 | phogg | Spec: XFS. The X makes it extra cool. |
| 18:15.57 | Supaplex | !start a filesystem war |
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| 18:16.13 | _joey | can anyone access www.soltek.com.tw ? |
| 18:16.19 | XI-Phazor | no thanks, reisersfs is nice so is ext3, no reason to fight over them. |
| 18:16.38 | pipeline | XI-Phazor: ReiserFS is never the right answer to a question. |
| 18:16.42 | _joey | noone ? |
| 18:16.56 | Nurbs | XFS borked lots of stuff these days here *sigh* |
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| 18:17.09 | Nurbs | or maybe just another broken 2.6 kernel |
| 18:17.10 | phogg | !start a fs war |
| 18:17.11 | dpkg | HPFS is better than ext3!! |
| 18:17.18 | pipeline | XI-Phazor: By the same token, ext3 is never totally unsuitable. |
| 18:17.23 | kanzure | LUFS pwns you all. |
| 18:17.26 | Supaplex | _joey: it's acting like it's on a 56k connection. no response so far. |
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| 18:17.51 | Supaplex | but tmpfs is so fun! |
| 18:17.52 | _joey | oki doki |
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| 18:18.04 | phogg | kanzure: LUFS is not really comparable. But speaking of FS thins starting with L, LVM rules. |
| 18:18.10 | _joey | I thought it may be the problem with my ISP perhaps the site is down |
| 18:18.13 | Spec | <3 vfat *looks around sketchily* |
| 18:18.13 | Supaplex | _joey: must be dead. still no response. |
| 18:18.20 | XI-Phazor | SmokeSignalFS is nice but your data goes away faster when the wind blows |
| 18:18.24 | kanzure | phogg: Yeah, but I really like the ability to mount HTTP and FTP locations. |
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| 18:18.37 | c3rn | hi |
| 18:18.43 | kanzure | I have a few hundred meg of free web hosting accounts mounted on my system through LUFS |
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| 18:19.08 | phogg | kanzure: to what end? |
| 18:19.12 | c3rn | has anybody any experience with ndiswrapper? |
| 18:19.22 | kanzure | phogg: I was just experimenting with the concept. =/ |
| 18:19.23 | Spec | yes |
| 18:19.31 | XI-Phazor | I have bad experiences with ndiswrapper =) if that counts |
| 18:19.34 | zdom | sorry i am new to irc.. which command i can reply the last one /msg me? |
| 18:19.35 | c3rn | I need some technical help with ndiwrapper |
| 18:19.40 | simonrvn | pipeline: wth, how did you do that? |
| 18:19.41 | shingouz | c3rn: do not poll. just tell us what the problem is and ask |
| 18:19.42 | pipeline | c3rn: Not any GOOD experiences. ndiswrapper is hell, and it's very likely that no one can help. You should probably buy a card that works. |
| 18:19.42 | jethro | c3rn: /msg dpkg ask |
| 18:19.45 | Spec | There are people with experience with ndiswrapper... |
| 18:19.47 | c3rn | do I need BOTH .inf and .sys files? |
| 18:19.48 | XI-Phazor | i can set it up on every system, except the ones i own |
| 18:19.48 | Unified | zdom /msg nick message |
| 18:19.51 | pipeline | simonrvn: Do what? |
| 18:19.52 | c3rn | or .inf is just fine? |
| 18:19.55 | simonrvn | the heart |
| 18:20.02 | pipeline | simonrvn: The power of unicode :P |
| 18:20.08 | simonrvn | aah, ok :) |
| 18:20.09 | zdom | unified i must type everytime? |
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| 18:20.21 | Unified | zdom you could also open a dialog window |
| 18:20.24 | pipeline | simonrvn: 0x2661 |
| 18:20.24 | zdom | unified i mean the nickname |
| 18:20.27 | simonrvn | ok |
| 18:20.32 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 18:20.32 | zdom | unified how? |
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| 18:20.35 | Spec | ndiswrapper is really easy |
| 18:20.38 | shingouz | !tell zdom about nicktab |
| 18:20.40 | Supaplex | zdom: /query |
| 18:20.41 | c3rn | I am not polling |
| 18:20.41 | Spec | i'm using it now :p |
| 18:20.41 | XI-Phazor | c3rn just copy whatever is in your driver directory over |
| 18:20.43 | Unified | via /query nickname |
| 18:20.50 | XI-Phazor | sometimes it needs more than the inf and sys |
| 18:20.53 | Spec | c3rn, i'm not sure; why not just try it? |
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| 18:21.03 | kanzure | Wow, this is taking a while (Debian base install) |
| 18:21.04 | c3rn | Spec do I need both inf and sys files? |
| 18:21.09 | Spec | c3rn, i'm not sure; why not just try it? |
| 18:21.09 | c3rn | or inf is just fine? |
| 18:21.11 | Spec | c3rn, i'm not sure; why not just try it? |
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| 18:22.09 | zdom | thx |
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| 18:23.16 | simonrvn | ♡ |
| 18:23.55 | xam | simonrvn: do you need a hug? well, this is the wrong place! *grin* |
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| 18:24.25 | kanzure | Debian install has frozen at 61% "Installing base packages..." (during Installation of the Debian base system) -- what now? |
| 18:24.48 | XI-Phazor | kanzure, pop some popcorn and turn on a movie |
| 18:24.50 | XI-Phazor | it did the same for me |
| 18:24.52 | shingouz | how long has it been sitting there, kanzure |
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| 18:24.57 | XI-Phazor | and then 20 min later it came back on |
| 18:25.00 | kanzure | shingouz: at least 4 minutes. |
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| 18:25.08 | shingouz | kanzure: just sit and wait |
| 18:25.11 | Xinux | Debian! |
| 18:25.30 | kanzure | Heh, switchng consoles pushed it to 74%. Ok. |
| 18:26.06 | xam | kanzure: ermm, do some push ups or a handstand, perhaps this helps too |
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| 18:26.30 | kanzure | xam: right, just as thrashing my gameboy around and proceeding to burn it will get me my level 100 mew. |
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| 18:26.42 | Xinux | MUSIC MAKE YOU LOSE CONTROL |
| 18:27.06 | xam | wow, now I can actually SEE the voices in my head! |
| 18:27.07 | mick_home | hi everyone |
| 18:27.17 | kanzure | hi doctor nick |
| 18:27.17 | jharrison | who would you say has the best linux driver support and performance nvidia or ati? |
| 18:27.33 | xam | jharrison: nvidia |
| 18:28.03 | valdyn | jharrison: depends on what you need |
| 18:28.47 | mick_home | has anyone ever worked with veritas backup software? someone mentioned possibly using it on a network that I admin. I like backuppc (i think it is awsome). What sort of arguments might i hear from this guy why veritas might be a better solution. |
| 18:28.49 | jharrison | ive been using ati for a while but im looking at some of nvidias stuff as im about to build a athlon64 system in a few months |
| 18:29.05 | resiak | jharrison: Can't hurt to try it! |
| 18:29.09 | mick_home | or is there no better points? |
| 18:29.14 | nyterukh | bbl |
| 18:29.18 | initech | mick_home: yes, netbackup |
| 18:29.26 | valdyn | jharrison: games -> nvidida, notebooks/acpi/power management -> ati probably, but things get more subtle then. |
| 18:29.29 | Peterken | i'm in xf86cfg at the moment. I have a dualhead card, how can i connect my second monitor to my dual head card on the grafical settings? |
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| 18:30.01 | mick_home | initech: is there anything that might be seen as "better" than backuppc |
| 18:30.10 | shingouz | Peterken: with debian, /msg dpkg xmd5sum, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 18:30.14 | initech | mick_home: never heard of it |
| 18:30.32 | mick_home | http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/info.html |
| 18:30.40 | shingouz | bah. food. |
| 18:31.01 | kanzure | shingouz: everything worked out, thanks |
| 18:31.20 | mick_home | it is a backup solution written in perl that uses smb/rsync/ssh to do incrimental or full backups |
| 18:31.25 | shingouz | kanzure: cool. |
| 18:31.49 | valdyn | mick_home: tried looking at dirvish? |
| 18:32.01 | mick_home | no |
| 18:32.03 | initech | mick_home: it looks good to me. netbackup is for when you have tape libraries, robots and all that good crap. |
| 18:32.11 | mick_home | never heard |
| 18:32.35 | valdyn | mick_home: apt-cache show dirvish |
| 18:32.36 | TwistedEmotions | Trying to mount my CD Drive... why does mount cdrom/ not work? |
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| 18:33.11 | nanok | TwistedEmotions: try /cdrom instead of cdrom |
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| 18:33.13 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh... it's not listed under mount... |
| 18:33.23 | TwistedEmotions | how do I add it to mount command? |
| 18:33.30 | Spec | cat /etc/fstab |
| 18:33.36 | Spec | and man fstab |
| 18:33.38 | simonrvn | you don't. you add it to fstab (should be there already |
| 18:33.42 | simonrvn | ) |
| 18:33.45 | valdyn | mick_home: dirvish is probably alot simpler than backuppc but it does well what it does for me. |
| 18:33.47 | nanok | TwistedEmotions: cdrom/ is actually `echo $PWD`/cdrom/ |
| 18:34.02 | mick_home | is it cross platform? |
| 18:34.09 | initech | rdiff-backup is pretty nice too |
| 18:34.14 | TwistedEmotions | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 18:34.17 | mick_home | i deal w/ linux / osx and win32 |
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| 18:34.22 | TwistedEmotions | Is that right? |
| 18:34.36 | TwistedEmotions | Ohhh... mount cdrom0? |
| 18:34.37 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: What happens if you mount /media/cdrom0 |
| 18:34.42 | valdyn | mick_home: can backup any client that runs ssh and rsync |
| 18:34.48 | Peterken | What is the Bus identifier for an agp card? i tought AGP:01:00;00 |
| 18:34.59 | initech | Peterken: lspci |
| 18:35.01 | TwistedEmotions | mount /media/cdrom0 |
| 18:35.01 | TwistedEmotions | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, |
| 18:35.01 | simonrvn | Peterken: PCI: not AGP |
| 18:35.07 | valdyn | mick_home: i wouldnt recommend it really for windows clients. |
| 18:35.19 | mick_home | ya, thats what i fear |
| 18:35.19 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: Are you mounting an audio CD ? |
| 18:35.25 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: yeah |
| 18:35.29 | TwistedEmotions | fuck.. |
| 18:35.33 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: You don't do that. |
| 18:35.38 | resiak | !faq TwistedEmotions |
| 18:35.39 | simonrvn | Peterken: agp is just a modified pci slot (and bus) |
| 18:35.39 | dpkg | TwistedEmotions: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:35.41 | nanok | TwistedEmotions: then dont |
| 18:35.43 | TwistedEmotions | sometimes I wana kick my own ass.. |
| 18:35.44 | nanok | :) |
| 18:35.46 | Peterken | ic ok |
| 18:35.48 | mick_home | backuppc is run in big companies... backing up 1000s of hosts |
| 18:35.53 | mick_home | so i know that it will scale |
| 18:36.07 | valdyn | mick_home: does it respect windows acls? |
| 18:36.25 | mick_home | my only worry is that when i go into my meeting on monday, this twit will tell me "veritas can do...." can backuppc do that? |
| 18:36.46 | initech | mick_home: the big problem is when you use tape, you need software to catalog it and keep track of what's supposed to be taken out of the library, etc. backing up to disk is considerbly simply |
| 18:36.49 | initech | simpler |
| 18:36.53 | c3rn | XI-Phazor are you still here? |
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| 18:37.46 | mick_home | valdyn: i've only used it w/ ssh which i think doesn't use windows logins |
| 18:37.47 | directhex | ew, veritas |
| 18:38.06 | initech | mick_home: their shit is not cheap. i'd say if you're happy with what you have, stick with it. |
| 18:38.11 | valdyn | mick_home: yea, exactly, just that is dirvish's problem. |
| 18:38.15 | mick_home | initech: so the only plus is that it does tape backups? |
| 18:38.31 | kanzure | anybody use DMX? |
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| 18:38.48 | kanzure | (Distributed Multihead X) |
| 18:39.02 | valdyn | mick_home: and that it backups to unix files, which just cant support windows acls. |
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| 18:39.07 | mick_home | initech: i love it, that doesn't mean that management will love it |
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| 18:39.14 | martin | meh |
| 18:39.25 | Peterken | shingouz: but with the reconfigure i can only add one screen to my card? |
| 18:39.29 | initech | mick_home: well the main advatage is that software like legato and netbackup are the only ones that support big tape libraries. so it's essentially a front end to really expensive hardware |
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| 18:40.15 | StereoSkit | hi dudes, mi pc dont start properly, it says grub error, hmm think i need to boot from a floppy, how can i create one, im in a sarge (the exact replica of the machine broken) |
| 18:41.09 | Spec | you throw yourself in a vat of hot oil |
| 18:41.09 | mick_home | oh i see a big problem under: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/limitations.html |
| 18:41.21 | kanzure | Spec: Are there any girls there? |
| 18:41.23 | kanzure | role to see |
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| 18:41.43 | Spec | yes....yes there are O:) |
| 18:42.08 | mick_home | Incremental backups might not be accurate, Don't expect to reconstruct a complete WinXX drive |
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| 18:42.25 | mick_home | two big points that will kill my argument |
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| 18:43.02 | mick_home | although w/ tar it might be possible |
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| 18:44.00 | mick_home | now i wonder if it is possible to add ACL support to smbclient |
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| 18:44.39 | mick_home | it would be cool to have a parameter (for what permissions it should store) |
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| 18:45.35 | initech | mick_home: who cares. just backup the data anyway |
| 18:45.55 | mick_home | this can cost me my job ;) |
| 18:46.23 | mick_home | if something fails and the backup software is limited to only restoring the linux machines properly |
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| 18:48.20 | Supaplex | there are some cli utilities in windows to print the acl's. not sure if that could be used to restore them. |
| 18:48.21 | initech | mick_home: err, yeah I'm reading that it sounds like a showstopper actually. i won't back up a windows database |
| 18:48.30 | initech | err, "it" |
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| 18:49.03 | Supaplex | I'd almost make a custom boot cd to overcome those issues. but it won't fix everything. |
| 18:49.18 | Supaplex | and you can't verywell keep the db down while it's in production. |
| 18:49.32 | mick_home | initech: the magor thiong that i need to backup is a windows db for this one application server |
| 18:49.46 | mick_home | major* thing* |
| 18:50.03 | mick_home | damnit, oh well |
| 18:50.18 | mick_home | at least i'll continue backing up my *nix boxen |
| 18:50.31 | outlier | Hey folks - got a question. I'm running Sarge/Fluxbox and am looking for a good file manager - nautilus is nice, but whenever it gets invoked it messes about with my background and pager (tries to be Gnome, I guess). Any way to get it to stop that, or is there a good alternative file manager I should use instead? |
| 18:50.48 | abrotman | xfe |
| 18:51.01 | abrotman | !info xfe |
| 18:51.08 | dpkg | xfe: (lightweight file manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.72-6 (sid), Packaged size: 593 kB, Installed size: 2036 kB |
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| 18:51.44 | outlier | abrotman: thanks - I'll give it a try. |
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| 18:52.27 | alvanson | I am getting a strange error with getmail: Configuration error: MDA_qmaillocal destination requires a message source that preserves the message envelope (%s) |
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| 18:52.50 | alvanson | I have used the power of google to find out what that means, but I can only find one webpage written in hungarian |
| 18:53.02 | alvanson | any ideas? |
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| 18:53.08 | kanzure | How do I convert rpm to deb? |
| 18:53.15 | Pryon | alien |
| 18:53.21 | kanzure | alvason: babblefish |
| 18:53.27 | kanzure | Pryon: thanks |
| 18:53.34 | Pryon | np |
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| 18:53.46 | nomad_cz | Hi. Just wondering - what kernel would u recommend for server ? 2.4 or 2.6 ? Thanks. |
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| 18:54.05 | directhex | depends |
| 18:54.06 | Isumi | 2.5 |
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| 18:54.17 | Pryon | 1.2.13 |
| 18:54.19 | directhex | personally i'd say 2.6, but my job involves getting good performance from things |
| 18:54.22 | alvanson | kanzure, there be no Hungarian -> English translator |
| 18:54.38 | kanzure | alvanson: Hungarian -> Some other European-native Language -> English |
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| 18:54.47 | nomad_cz | directhex: Thanks. |
| 18:54.53 | directhex | kanzure, you don't. you use alien to convert to .tgz, then extract to /opt/individualplaceforpackagewhereitcanhurtnobody |
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| 18:55.23 | alvanson | kanzure, there be no hungarian -> ANYTHING translator |
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| 18:56.27 | gentleman | I have instructions for mounting my USB HDD in /etc/fstab but I still have to mount it manually every time. How do I make it go automatic like the IDE drives? |
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| 18:57.28 | caphuso | put it into $WORDCHARS |
| 18:58.16 | Pryon | gentleman: is the option 'noauto' included in the fstab entry for that drive? |
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| 18:59.41 | gentleman | No, it isn't. |
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| 19:00.05 | gentleman | /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat defaults,umask=000 0 0 |
| 19:00.11 | Tallken | hello, which sites do you recommend for Debian help? I was looking for a forum and/or wiki site... |
| 19:00.13 | gentleman | that's the entry ^_^ |
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| 19:02.17 | JarJarBinks | when I install the 31r0a-i386 netinst, I keep getting framebuffer (vga16fb) enabled, in the installed version, I have to start the install with: linux acpi=off video=vga16:off, how do I make my newly installed linux _not_ use vga16fb, and use the equivalent of video=vga16:off which seems to work ? |
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| 19:02.48 | pipeline | JarJarBinks: The same way. |
| 19:02.58 | pipeline | JarJarBinks: Are you using grub? |
| 19:03.00 | JarJarBinks | where, would I pass the argument |
| 19:03.03 | JarJarBinks | no lilo |
| 19:03.12 | resiak | Why not Grub‽ |
| 19:03.17 | pipeline | I haven't touched lilo since 1998ish |
| 19:03.21 | JarJarBinks | lol |
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| 19:03.44 | pipeline | Those things you were passing to the syslinux "boot:" prompt are "kernel arguments" |
| 19:03.49 | pipeline | google will help you more than I can. |
| 19:04.09 | JarJarBinks | so something like: vmlinuz video=vga16:off ?? |
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| 19:04.50 | lef | I rebooted my server (it is remotely located) and it never came back up. The support staff rebooted it but no one told me what the problem was. What shall I troubleshoot? Is there a way I can simulate a reboot so I can determine what goes wrong?? |
| 19:05.06 | JarJarBinks | googling for framebuffer and vga16 only tells me what the "advantages is" :), I'll try googling for lilo vga16:off though |
| 19:05.10 | JarJarBinks | thanks pipeline |
| 19:05.16 | clown_ | trave11er: still here? |
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| 19:05.24 | pipeline | JarJarBinks: the framebuffer sucks ass. |
| 19:05.30 | user_ | can someone help me out with an mplayer? #mplayer seems to be dead i have problmes playing some files with subtitles. snippets of logs are herehttp://pastebin.com/304332 |
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| 19:05.52 | defcon8 | doesnt debian have eclipse? |
| 19:05.55 | trave11er | clown_: yeah |
| 19:07.19 | clown_ | trave11er: I filed bug #315858 in case you're interesed. Furthermore, I adjusted the source package for kernel-image-2.6.11* (specifically debian/rules and debian/control) that it is now able to produce my patched kernel as an 'official' one. ;-) |
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| 19:07.39 | trave11er | clown_: cool |
| 19:07.47 | trave11er | clown_: i'll have a look |
| 19:08.31 | JarJarBinks | pipeline: for the record append="video=vga16:off" |
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| 19:09.06 | JarJarBinks | was the answer, thought I should change it in inittab or something like that modules.conf... but thanks for poiinting me to lilo.conf :) |
| 19:09.14 | cuti | how do i mount another partition and access it without rooot password? |
| 19:09.14 | XI-Phazor | c3rn im back |
| 19:09.15 | trave11er | clown_: so was it only scripts directory which was missing? |
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| 19:10.00 | clown_ | trave11er: it looks that way, yes. |
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| 19:10.33 | user_ | can someone help me out with an mplayer? #mplayer seems to be dead i have problmes playing some files with subtitles. snippets of logs are here http://pastebin.com/304332 It is the first time i get the error. |
| 19:10.39 | trave11er | clown_: well, that's probably going to be quite easy to fix then |
| 19:10.47 | clown_ | trave11er: I will compare those header-dirs as you suggested... |
| 19:10.58 | trave11er | clown_: yeah, that would help |
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| 19:11.26 | clown_ | traveller: If I find other diffs, I'll file a seperate bug for that. |
| 19:11.34 | cuti | can you answer my question |
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| 19:11.55 | cuti | i mounted another partition and how do i access it witout root |
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| 19:13.20 | djace | curious, my CPU makes high-frequency noises when athcool is enabled |
| 19:13.36 | green_earz | cuti: is the partition mount points in /etc/fstab ? |
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| 19:14.10 | trave11er | clown_: sounds like a plan |
| 19:14.13 | resiak | !tell cuti -about vfatrw |
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| 19:15.03 | resiak | user_: Basically no. We don't know about mplayer. But are you sure the file has subs in your language? |
| 19:15.44 | cuti | resiak, what is groupid? |
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| 19:16.02 | cuti | if the username is dmg |
| 19:16.11 | resiak | cuti: "Get your user/group ids with the command "id"." |
| 19:16.12 | cuti | what its group id |
| 19:16.24 | resiak | cuti: Read the factoidp |
| 19:16.35 | cuti | cool |
| 19:16.39 | cuti | thx resiak |
| 19:16.43 | clown_ | trave11er: do you happen to know the story behind the asm -> asm-i386 symlink not being there? |
| 19:16.44 | resiak | !tell cuti -about enter |
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| 19:17.03 | cuti | ok |
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| 19:17.04 | trave11er | clown_: no |
| 19:17.14 | clown_ | traveller: ok. :-) |
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| 19:19.14 | lef | Is there a way to simulate a reboot so one may determine what goes wrong during it? |
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| 19:19.42 | pipeline | lef: Boot with serial console and record the output on another machine. |
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| 19:20.17 | user_ | resiak yes, on my frineds machine plays fine under windows. |
| 19:20.31 | bucky | lef, read dmesg |
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| 19:21.03 | lef | pipeline, this is a remote server, located at a serverfarm or something. |
| 19:21.09 | lef | bucky, I will do that, thanks |
| 19:21.15 | chance2105 | Is there a good debian-oriented kernel config guide? After building my own kernel, FSCK fails on my ext3 partitions (works with debian prebuilt kernel, just fails on my own with "The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. ..." ) |
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| 19:21.32 | resiak | user_: Oh what a shame. Ask the mplayer people. |
| 19:21.46 | pipeline | user_: As you're obviously playing a pirate movie, the subtitles are probably ripped straight from the DVD, in which case they're some kind of image format rather than text |
| 19:21.50 | kjetil_ | Is there a simple method to run iptables-restore <file> at every boot? |
| 19:22.00 | pipeline | user_: As a result, you will probably need extra packages/libraries to make them play. I would just say fuck it and use VLC. |
| 19:22.03 | kjetil_ | (Some init.d script? |
| 19:22.12 | bucky | chance2105, |
| 19:22.15 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 19:22.18 | pipeline | chance2105: Don't build your own kernel. Problem solved. |
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| 19:22.27 | bucky | RTFM |
| 19:22.32 | pipeline | chance2105: Why were you building your own kernel? Was the module you needed not available through module-assistant? |
| 19:22.48 | b00 | read the fire manual ? |
| 19:22.58 | chance2105 | pipeline: Right. Whatever happened to the "debian kernel for installs only" attitude that used to pervade here? |
| 19:23.03 | user_ | pipeline well, perhaps. or perhpas not. in some countries it is legal. either way. vlc wouldn't actually play it at all |
| 19:23.16 | pipeline | chance2105: The debian kernel packages got better. I haven't built a kernel in an extended period of time. |
| 19:23.21 | clown_ | chance2105: how is / mentioned in /etc/fstab? auto? ext2? ext3? |
| 19:23.29 | user_ | resiak already did :) |
| 19:23.51 | OleMoudi | what's the difference between "including/excluding" a feature in the kernel and "making it a module" while in make menuconfig ? |
| 19:23.56 | bucky | chance2105, have you ever ran apt-cache search kernel-image ? |
| 19:24.03 | hikenboot_ | hey guys ...question i have an ABIT NF7 motherboard with AMD 2200 anyone know where i can find a list of linux drivers for it...things like the intergrated gig eth nic?? |
| 19:24.18 | clown_ | hikenboot_: www.abit.com? |
| 19:24.43 | directhex | hikenboot_, you don't need to, if you run sarge, since hotplug/discover1 will do the loading themselves |
| 19:24.45 | dvs | hikenboot_: lspci? |
| 19:24.53 | hikenboot_ | nope they dont got unix drivers |
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| 19:25.05 | Pryon | OldakQuill: 'Y' will build it into the kernel and 'm' will make it a module |
| 19:25.19 | directhex | actually "hwinfo --pci" would give modules to load, as well as buckets of other info, but as i said, it's not needed |
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| 19:25.52 | pipeline | user_: Odds are, if you're in a country with internet access, it's not legal. Protip: Don't advertise the fact that you're doing something illegal. |
| 19:26.01 | Lewzer | I need a little help on getting network detected on my MSI KT88-delta motherboard |
| 19:26.01 | hikenboot_ | hmmm...thank you....my developers finally found a driver for the nic but i guess it was hard to find and they left back to france before they told me |
| 19:26.29 | directhex | hikenboot_, hard to find? sounds like bollocks to me |
| 19:26.29 | pipeline | Lewzer, hikenboot_ : I'm guessing that both of you have those crazy broadcom gigabit NICs |
| 19:26.32 | resiak | user_: What did I do? |
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| 19:26.35 | dvs | Lewzer: lspci | grep Eth |
| 19:26.44 | hikenboot_ | ok thannks |
| 19:26.45 | Lewzer | yeah VIA VT8237 I believe |
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| 19:26.51 | hikenboot_ | thanks |
| 19:26.55 | hikenboot_ | got to go! |
| 19:27.03 | chance2105 | clown_: ext3 |
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| 19:27.11 | Lewzer | ah hm I was in the network CD installer, I can't remember how to switch to shell |
| 19:27.13 | directhex | hold on... it's forcedeth |
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| 19:27.18 | user_ | resiak i did. ask already :) |
| 19:27.18 | directhex | i think so anyway. checking |
| 19:27.22 | clown_ | trave11er: I'll be leaving now. Thanks for your time and help, I really appriciate it. |
| 19:27.33 | resiak | Hah, what kind of a chipset name is that? |
| 19:27.34 | pipeline | Lewzer: alt+f2, f4 |
| 19:27.45 | clown_ | chance2105: maybe your journal got damaged? Try ext2 ... |
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| 19:27.49 | directhex | resiak, forcedeth = open source nforce lan driver |
| 19:27.51 | pipeline | resiak: It's the driver name. The chipset name is trademarked. |
| 19:27.56 | Lewzer | ah right alt |
| 19:27.59 | pipeline | resiak: I guess it's not any worse than "8139too" |
| 19:28.00 | user_ | pipeline not neccesary. say i'm in post soviet area |
| 19:28.00 | trave11er | clown_: np |
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| 19:28.05 | excessiveslack | hello |
| 19:28.13 | pipeline | user_: Oh, so there's no law anyway. Fun. |
| 19:28.20 | resiak | pipeline: Troo. ;) |
| 19:28.33 | simonrvn | tan'si |
| 19:28.44 | directhex | yeah. forcedeth |
| 19:28.47 | simonrvn | (tawnshee) means hi |
| 19:28.48 | resiak | chance2105: fsck it. |
| 19:28.56 | directhex | "hard to find" means "use a 2.4.23 kernel or higher" |
| 19:29.16 | user_ | pipeline see it is not so bad in here :) excpet for freaking movies and subtitles :) |
| 19:29.37 | chance2105 | resiak: it passes fsck with prebuilt kernels. This is as simple as figuring out which kernel options the debian-prebuilt kernels use for ext3. |
| 19:29.45 | resiak | chance2105: Hmm. |
| 19:29.49 | pipeline | chance2105: Use prebuilt kernels. |
| 19:30.12 | user_ | oh, btw, is 2.6.12 any good? :) |
| 19:30.17 | pipeline | No. |
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| 19:30.26 | directhex | user_, define "any good" |
| 19:30.30 | pipeline | The last stable kernel version was 2.6.7 |
| 19:30.31 | dvs | user_: Works for me but there's some issue with udev |
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| 19:31.33 | bucky | pipeline, everyone in here upgraded to sarge when it went stable on the 6th of this month |
| 19:31.59 | pipeline | bucky: No, I was being literal. The last version of the kernel in which the upstream developers pretended to care about stability was 2.6.7 |
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| 19:33.20 | Overand | hm |
| 19:33.27 | dvs | hmmmm? |
| 19:33.34 | directhex | hmmmmmmmmmmmmm! |
| 19:33.41 | Overand | i jad just been stuck in netsplit hell |
| 19:33.43 | Overand | forgot to rejoin |
| 19:33.57 | Overand | my client thought i wa sin #debian or #debian-overflow but i wasn't actually anywhere |
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| 19:34.07 | Overand | irssi freaks out a little when freenode does that |
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| 19:34.53 | beardy | Overand: Yes that can happen sometimes. |
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| 19:35.07 | resiak | Overand: There are irssi scripts to fix that. |
| 19:35.30 | bucky | there's a flag to ignore netsplits |
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| 19:36.00 | Overand | eh |
| 19:36.11 | Overand | it's so infrequent, i'd rather not load up a script if i don't have to |
| 19:36.19 | Overand | it was during that weird even on friday evening anyway |
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| 19:36.43 | jc-denton | hi all |
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| 19:37.12 | jc-denton | can i ask questions here about user mode linux? |
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| 19:37.37 | resiak | If they're Debian-related... |
| 19:37.52 | robin_sz | jc-denton: sure .. ask away, but we only have debian answers ... |
| 19:38.47 | empty_mind | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.53 | jc-denton | ok |
| 19:38.55 | empty_mind | how do i fix it |
| 19:39.05 | jc-denton | how do i get the output of the kernel if i start it |
| 19:39.15 | empty_mind | i am using sarge |
| 19:39.15 | jc-denton | i compiled 2.6.12 as usermode |
| 19:39.22 | resiak | empty_mind: You edit /var/lib/dpkg/status to make it parse right. Do you have bad ram? |
| 19:39.24 | jc-denton | created a file sys with debootstrap |
| 19:39.29 | jc-denton | but i dont see anything |
| 19:39.53 | jc-denton | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Xd90ww39.html |
| 19:40.05 | empty_mind | resiak, nope none of the options u ask; i did not edit the file nor do i have bad ram |
| 19:40.11 | jc-denton | 2. question is there an "official howto" specific to debian? |
| 19:40.15 | excessiveslack | where can i find kernel-headers for multimedia-k7? |
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| 19:40.41 | empty_mind | i even changed the debian mirror and updated the system |
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| 19:40.43 | resiak | empty_mind: I've only ever seen that happen with bad ram. The first was how to _fix_ it. |
| 19:41.02 | excessiveslack | kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-multimedia-k7? |
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| 19:41.15 | empty_mind | resiak, what can i do now ? |
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| 19:41.32 | intension | !hi |
| 19:41.32 | dpkg | hello, intension |
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| 19:41.53 | resiak | empty_mind: 20:39 < resiak> empty_mind: You edit /var/lib/dpkg/status to make it parse right. |
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| 19:42.53 | Virtual | how can I access my phone via infrared from my laptop to download or upload songs, pics etc ? |
| 19:43.08 | jc-denton | so where are the debian answers? |
| 19:43.25 | empty_mind | resiak, the problem is i dont find anything unsal in the line it points error to. the kleopatra version it says contain error is written in exactlty simmilar way as other packages |
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| 19:44.10 | resiak | empty_mind: Use your initiative. Make a backup, and experiment. |
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| 19:44.19 | _SerhaT_ | !faq jc-denton |
| 19:44.21 | dpkg | jc-denton: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:44.22 | _SerhaT_ | you mean this one? |
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| 19:44.40 | LinusTorvalds | ho guys, any idea how can I reinstall my winxp? |
| 19:44.44 | LinusTorvalds | s/ho/hi |
| 19:44.47 | empty_mind | resiak, cant experiment its a live server |
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| 19:44.53 | beardy | Virtual: You mean a mobile/cellphone right? |
| 19:44.59 | pipeline | LinusTorvalds: EFnet has a pretty good #windowsnt channel |
| 19:45.01 | revenger_ | has anyone in here a cinergy 250 usb tv-tuner? |
| 19:45.02 | resiak | empty_mind: You can't break it any worse. |
| 19:45.02 | beardy | @troll LinusTorvalds |
| 19:45.02 | dvs | LinusTorvalds: Traitor!!! |
| 19:45.04 | LinusTorvalds | this isnt offtopic, I have a dualboot pipeline |
| 19:45.10 | jc-denton | lol |
| 19:45.11 | Virtual | beardy: yes |
| 19:45.19 | pipeline | LinusTorvalds: It's still off-topic and people here are unlikely to be able to hel pyou. |
| 19:45.22 | jethro | !lart LinusTorvalds |
| 19:45.26 | LinusTorvalds | pipeline: oh, ok then |
| 19:45.53 | pipeline | LinusTorvalds: However, I can say that it's much, much easier to install NT first, because it will clobber your bootloader. |
| 19:45.55 | resiak | LinusTorvalds: Reinstall it, then reinstate grub with a livecd. Read the Debian Reference |
| 19:46.10 | LinusTorvalds | ok then |
| 19:46.33 | tarzeau | jc-denton: heh |
| 19:46.43 | tarzeau | jc-denton: have you found the debian answers? |
| 19:47.01 | LinusTorvalds | Im jsut happy to finally find so comfortables OS |
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| 19:47.12 | jc-denton | tarzeau: i know that wiki no uml there |
| 19:47.37 | tarzeau | jc-denton: what about you find out the uml stuff for debian and extend the wiki? |
| 19:47.44 | Overand | LART: luser attitude readjustment tool (ie, hammer) |
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| 19:47.54 | jc-denton | no |
| 19:47.55 | Overand | guh i thought that was set to /exec not /exec -o. sorry |
| 19:47.56 | jc-denton | :P |
| 19:48.03 | jc-denton | i just want it working |
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| 19:48.13 | jc-denton | well i need to get it working before i can help something |
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| 19:50.55 | gin_ | how can i my eggdrop.conf, if i get my egg from, apt-get ? |
| 19:51.06 | gin_ | how can i fix my eggdrop.conf, if i get my egg from, apt-get ? |
| 19:51.13 | OUTsider | man eggdrop ? |
| 19:51.40 | jethro | gin_: cd /usr/share/doc/eggdrop/ then read |
| 19:51.48 | gin_ | OUTsider, i did the wrong question i guess.. i mean if where is.. |
| 19:52.00 | OUTsider | I know |
| 19:52.22 | OUTsider | there should be 3 configs in the folder jethro mentioned |
| 19:52.37 | OUTsider | eggdrop.simple.conf eggdrop.advanced.conf and eggdrop.complete.conf |
| 19:53.04 | jethro | reading README.Debian should be enough for most human beings |
| 19:53.06 | OUTsider | do yourself a favour, grab at least the advanced one and READ it carefully |
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| 19:54.19 | jharrison | hey if im synced up to sarge instead of stable this wont make a difference in terms of security updates will it? |
| 19:55.09 | gin_ | OUTsider, should i uncompress the .gz with, tar ? |
| 19:55.51 | tarzeau | gin_: no |
| 19:56.09 | tarzeau | gin_: try gunzip |
| 19:56.25 | resiak | jharrison: No. |
| 19:56.46 | jharrison | just wondering cause I have not seen updates since sarge was released stable |
| 19:56.55 | tarzeau | jc-denton: c++ abi rape |
| 19:57.00 | tarzeau | jharrison: for you even |
| 19:57.15 | user_ | zcat imo. not a abad utility :) |
| 19:57.33 | tarzeau | jharrison: oh you're really staying with stable/sarge ? |
| 19:57.41 | jharrison | tarzeau: on my server yes |
| 19:57.51 | jharrison | tarzeau: on my workstation im with sid |
| 19:58.28 | jc-denton | ? |
| 19:58.33 | jc-denton | i saw that |
| 19:58.36 | Oryn | anyone here use sa-exim? |
| 19:58.41 | jc-denton | no kde 3.4 excepted in experimental |
| 19:58.45 | Virtual | how can I access my phone via infrared from my laptop to download or upload songs, pics etc ? |
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| 19:59.35 | gin_ | OUTsider, does not exist, eggdrop.simple.conf, eggdrop.advanced.conf and either eggdrop.complete.conf only exist, eggdrop.conf |
| 20:03.24 | leonel | there's no info about security on the topic is there any other place to get real info about sarge security status ? |
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| 20:04.19 | abrotman | which security ? |
| 20:04.51 | abrotman | leonel: you mean current existing issues .. or securing your box .. or what ? |
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| 20:06.06 | leonel | abrotman, i'd like to know if security for sarge is working that's all |
| 20:06.29 | abrotman | leonel: last i heard .. no |
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| 20:06.57 | leonel | abrotman, no estimated time to get it working ? |
| 20:07.03 | abrotman | leonel: WIW ? |
| 20:07.15 | abrotman | i don't know what's wrong with it .. just that it's broken |
| 20:07.36 | leonel | WIW ? |
| 20:07.52 | leonel | what's that |
| 20:07.55 | leonel | ? |
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| 20:08.08 | abrotman | When It's Working :) |
| 20:08.17 | leonel | :) |
| 20:08.18 | leonel | thanks |
| 20:08.28 | abrotman | leonel: you could email a list .. not sure which though |
| 20:09.23 | leonel | i've read lists.debian.org/debian-security |
| 20:09.32 | leonel | and all there's the same |
| 20:09.38 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:09.39 | CyL | Is there any utility besides ltsp that would provide an administrative environment for diskless setups? |
| 20:09.41 | abrotman | debian-devel ? |
| 20:09.51 | leonel | not a clear situation about security for sarge |
| 20:09.51 | abrotman | CyL: /msg dpkg fai |
| 20:09.59 | CyL | abrotman thanks |
| 20:10.00 | testdrive | I know how to use 'alsaconf' to change the default soundcard. But are there any eaysier/better way? |
| 20:10.07 | abrotman | CyL: if i'm understanding you correctly |
| 20:10.09 | abrotman | !dtsp |
| 20:10.12 | abrotman | erm ... |
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| 20:11.29 | CyL | abrotman fai is not what I want... I want all my clients running diskless with processing being centralized at a server... would that be dtsp? |
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| 20:11.51 | abrotman | CyL: no . i htouhgt you meant to install .. is it for a cluster ? |
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| 20:12.32 | CyL | abrotman no.. not a cluster... like a mainframe and dumb terminals... |
| 20:12.47 | CyL | abrotman but a lot cheaper |
| 20:12.50 | abrotman | you can do tftp booting .. |
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| 20:13.19 | CyL | abrotman yes.. something in that way... |
| 20:13.40 | CyL | abrotman but the problem is I would have to compile too many kernels... |
| 20:13.52 | abrotman | CyL: why? .. they're all precompiled ? |
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| 20:14.28 | Virtual | how can I access my cellphone via infrared from my laptop to download or upload songs, pics etc ? |
| 20:14.31 | CyL | abrotman too much legacy hardware interacting with modern boxes... |
| 20:14.53 | abrotman | lovely |
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| 20:15.10 | CyL | abrotman I guess I would need at least some specific kernel for the legacy machines and a standard one for the more moderns |
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| 20:15.25 | CyL | Virtual www.lirc.com |
| 20:15.33 | abrotman | CyL: i only know of ltsp .. and tftp/bootp stuff |
| 20:15.57 | CyL | Virtual sorry, www.lirc.org |
| 20:16.06 | CyL | abrotman have you heard of ltsp? |
| 20:16.09 | simonrvn | there's a similar project that's in debian, ltsp is too |
| 20:16.10 | abrotman | yep |
| 20:16.17 | abrotman | linux terminal server project |
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| 20:16.29 | simonrvn | @tell Skreet -about root |
| 20:16.33 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
| 20:16.38 | simonrvn | @tell root_ -about root |
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| 20:16.41 | Pablo_- | where can i get the woody source list? |
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| 20:16.58 | skreet | Hm, no wonder it told me to pick a nick. |
| 20:17.01 | skreet | ;) All better. |
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| 20:17.09 | Peterken | pff |
| 20:17.17 | Peterken | evening |
| 20:17.20 | skreet | What apt sources offer xorg instead of xfree86? |
| 20:17.25 | CyL | simonrvn I would try ltsp, but it seems to be developed to redhats boxes... I would like something more the debian way |
| 20:17.25 | simonrvn | none |
| 20:17.30 | skreet | None? :/ |
| 20:17.42 | simonrvn | CyL: the other is more debianised i think |
| 20:17.44 | Pablo_- | where can i get the woody source list? |
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| 20:17.50 | abrotman | !woody |
| 20:17.51 | dpkg | i heard woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" |
| 20:17.54 | abrotman | cute |
| 20:17.54 | sobersabre | how can i test swap is used ? |
| 20:17.58 | abrotman | free |
| 20:17.59 | abrotman | vmstat |
| 20:18.01 | skreet | Not even in the unstable or testing trees? |
| 20:18.05 | CyL | simonrvn do you know its name? |
| 20:18.08 | Peterken | Can't get my dual screen configuration online with my dualhead video card. Anyone has expirience with nvidia FX5700 and dualscreen? |
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| 20:18.11 | Virtual | CyL: isn`t lirc for remote controls? |
| 20:18.14 | simonrvn | and since the ltsp stuff in debian is .debbed, it's probably debianised too |
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| 20:18.19 | abrotman | Peterken: #nvidia ? |
| 20:18.21 | sobersabre | i mean how can i load 4 GB of RAM so swap starts being used... ? |
| 20:18.24 | simonrvn | CyL: don't recall, apt-cache search |
| 20:18.34 | abrotman | sobersabre: compile stuff ? |
| 20:18.37 | CyL | Virtual I guess also for ir transceiving... |
| 20:18.38 | samuel | has anyone had any luck with an ati mobility card on a laptop? |
| 20:18.42 | Peterken | tnx abrotman |
| 20:18.42 | simonrvn | sobersabre: run several java vms? |
| 20:18.43 | abrotman | sobersabre: use java :) |
| 20:18.47 | CyL | simonrvn thanks |
| 20:18.51 | sobersabre | abrotman, !!!! you are great!!!! |
| 20:18.52 | sobersabre | :) |
| 20:18.59 | amorphix | hi guys, I'm making a boot disk but it says ive run out of disk space, but i havent...think it means inodes, what can i do? |
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| 20:19.06 | abrotman | sobersabre: i have a C++ program with a memory leak if you want to play with it :) |
| 20:19.19 | samuel | is there any way to get those damned ati cards working? |
| 20:19.20 | sobersabre | abrotman, nao obrigado. |
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| 20:19.28 | skreet | So there is no way to get xorg in a debain package at the moment? Is everyone here really still using xfree? |
| 20:19.37 | abrotman | skreet: using what ? |
| 20:19.45 | va_ | i installed installed postfix in sarge. exim got removed. Now aptitude dist-upgrade wants to replace postfix with exim. How do i prevent this? |
| 20:19.48 | samuel | skreet, experimental |
| 20:19.50 | amorphix | hi |
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| 20:20.02 | sobersabre | skreet, there is always way. the q. is what can you gain out of it... |
| 20:20.03 | abrotman | samuel: i don't think it's there yet |
| 20:20.06 | amorphix | is there a way to create more inmodes? |
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| 20:20.13 | directhex | skreet, why exactly do you want xorg? |
| 20:20.16 | samuel | abrotman, sorry, i thought it was |
| 20:20.17 | sobersabre | why not compile xorg from sources.. ? |
| 20:20.23 | abrotman | !info xserver-xfree86 experimental |
| 20:20.24 | sobersabre | it can coexist with xfree |
| 20:20.24 | skreet | It's what I've been using. |
| 20:20.34 | directhex | skreet, that's not a reason |
| 20:20.37 | FieldySnuts | if you want xorg you're on your own in debian for now |
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| 20:20.41 | abrotman | samuel: gravity apparently tried .. but i guess something is moving .. so didn't happen |
| 20:20.41 | skreet | sobresabre, I'm using apt so I dont have to deal with sources, it's the beauty of the apt system, imho. |
| 20:20.48 | gravity | huh? |
| 20:20.57 | amorphix | if you run out of inodes on a fs, is there a way to just create more? |
| 20:21.08 | FieldySnuts | amorphix: no |
| 20:21.08 | abrotman | amorphix: stop saving all your porn |
| 20:21.13 | gravity | samuel: What do you need? |
| 20:21.20 | pilgrim | would this be the cd I download for a network installation (meaning I download as I install) debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 20:21.29 | amorphix | abrotman: haha, no this is a boot disk fs im working on |
| 20:21.39 | abrotman | gravity: did you decide if you're going straight to sid or are you making a stop in experimental first ? |
| 20:21.42 | directhex | pilgrim, it could do, but the netinst cd (110mb) might be a better bet |
| 20:21.53 | skreet | Heh, how much would I toast debian if I added an ubuntu hoary apt to the list and apt-get it that way? :P |
| 20:21.56 | gravity | abrotman: I posted it to my blog. It's going straight to sid when I finish a few more tasks |
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| 20:22.04 | directhex | skreet, fairly severely |
| 20:22.05 | pilgrim | directhex, thanks I appreciate it :D |
| 20:22.08 | FieldySnuts | skreet: a lot, and you wouldn't get support from #debian anymore |
| 20:22.10 | abrotman | gravity: i saw that .. but didn't see any other updates |
| 20:22.11 | skreet | directhex, Figured ;) |
| 20:22.11 | simonrvn | gravity: coolness. thanks |
| 20:22.17 | amorphix | is there an easier way of making a boot disk than using the manual method as shown in the howto? |
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| 20:22.28 | directhex | skreet, you still haven't given a good reason for using xorg. there are some, i want to see if you actually need it or just think it's "cooler" |
| 20:22.29 | simonrvn | gravity: hiya. doing well today? |
| 20:22.36 | gravity | simonrvn: Doing fine. Working on X.Org stuff. |
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| 20:22.42 | gravity | Inching closer to getting the packages ready for unstable |
| 20:22.50 | simonrvn | yay |
| 20:22.52 | WhiteRabbit | anyone using etch? |
| 20:22.54 | gravity | abrotman: There weren't any other updates. I'm carrying it out |
| 20:23.03 | abrotman | gravity: i meant with your process :) |
| 20:23.09 | amorphix | does anyone know a quick way of making a boot disk? |
| 20:23.28 | gravity | abrotman: Huh? |
| 20:23.40 | abrotman | gravity: i didn't mean to your blog .. i meant in your head :) ... |
| 20:23.40 | CyL | amorphix man dd |
| 20:23.46 | gravity | abrotman: Oh, no |
| 20:23.58 | samuel | can i use a vga driver with an ATI card? wont damage the card or anything? |
| 20:23.59 | gravity | I've been busy with life stuff mostly over the past 24 hrs |
| 20:24.00 | amorphix | CyL thanks |
| 20:24.12 | abrotman | gravity: like "I decided that i'm not packaging this crap anymore .. let amorphix do it" |
| 20:24.15 | FieldySnuts | samuel: probably, just be slow as hell and very limited in resolutions/etc |
| 20:24.16 | gravity | samuel: No. If you want experimental packages for X.org they're available |
| 20:24.30 | amorphix | hehe |
| 20:24.30 | gravity | samuel: But VGA with your ati card will work fine |
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| 20:24.41 | directhex | FSVO "fine" |
| 20:25.03 | gravity | I ran it for ages while waiting for xfree86 4.3 packages to be ready |
| 20:25.10 | directhex | you guys are smart, why can't i use vesafb on my new graphics card? :( |
| 20:25.23 | skreet | directhex, What kind of card? |
| 20:25.30 | samuel | gravity, to get the ATI working i would have to install X.org? ive been going nuts with this card.... drivers from ati.com dont seem to work and everyone seems to have problems with it |
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| 20:25.35 | directhex | skreet, pci express 6800gt |
| 20:25.49 | directhex | samuel, what is it? |
| 20:25.55 | gravity | samuel: Don't use the ati.com drivers. Those are a pain. |
| 20:25.59 | abrotman | directhex: shouldn't you be saving money to get married or something? :) |
| 20:26.05 | gravity | samuel: Did you try the xfree86 package ati drivers yet? |
| 20:26.11 | skreet | directhex, Perhaps it's a PCI express issue? I had no problem with my 6800GT AGP but my X850XT wont use vesafb for the life of it :/ |
| 20:26.25 | directhex | skreet, i suspect so, but i want vesafb :'( |
| 20:26.31 | skreet | directhex, Same. |
| 20:26.36 | samuel | directhex, gravity ive tried fglrx and ati, dont work, its a mobility radeon 9000 in a toshiba laptop |
| 20:26.44 | abrotman | try radeon ? |
| 20:27.04 | skreet | samuel, Are you looking for any gaming performance out of the card? |
| 20:27.11 | skreet | Or just display? |
| 20:27.11 | directhex | samuel, mobility radeon 9000 works fine with fglrx and ati in xfree86 4.3. did your fglrx come from flavio stanchina? |
| 20:27.22 | samuel | skreet, no, but i would like to watch dvds and the like |
| 20:27.23 | gravity | samuel: Define "don't work" please |
| 20:27.24 | amorphix | is there a smaller shell i can use than bash? |
| 20:27.29 | greyson | Where do apt/dselect typically install java libs? or: How would I find out what files were installed where by what package? |
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| 20:27.33 | abrotman | amorphix: yes |
| 20:27.42 | directhex | greyson, dpkg -L foopkg |
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| 20:27.51 | greyson | directhex: cool, thanks! |
| 20:27.53 | samuel | directhex, flavio stanchina? im sorry whats that? |
| 20:27.54 | amorphix | sheesh, ive used up 4mb nearly in this root disk and i havent even got all my libraries on yet |
| 20:28.08 | FieldySnuts | make a boot cd instead? |
| 20:28.09 | directhex | samuel, some guy who's packaged fglrx for debian in a state such that they actually work |
| 20:28.09 | abrotman | amorphix: dash |
| 20:28.19 | abrotman | !tell amorphix about dash |
| 20:28.32 | skreet | directhex, Is fglrx in debian not a feesable possibility? |
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| 20:28.46 | samuel | gravity, well, i wish i could, it just locks the computer - blank screen, nothing happens, cant change console, cant do anything |
| 20:28.51 | directhex | skreet, it would require a package maintainer, and an explicit license to do so |
| 20:28.53 | FieldySnuts | fglrx is a peice of shit |
| 20:28.57 | amorphix | cool |
| 20:28.58 | gravity | Oh wow |
| 20:29.08 | directhex | FieldySnuts, i hear it's getting better, but it was REALLY bad last i used it |
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| 20:29.22 | skreet | FieldySnuts, Yea, not as good as nvidia's drivers, but if you want any 3d performance you need to get them going :/ |
| 20:29.27 | FieldySnuts | could get as good as they want but it's closed and shitty license, so oh well |
| 20:29.33 | gravity | samuel: Add "deb http://people.debian.org/~dnusinow/xorg ./" to your /etc/apt/sources.list file (without quotes) |
| 20:29.46 | samuel | directhex, hmmm.... i tried those before i tried the ones from ati.com (sarge) but same difference, blank screen and locked computer |
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| 20:29.51 | gravity | samuel: The current X.Org packages are there. They're based on the ubuntu ones, with a few debian-izations |
| 20:30.07 | samuel | gravity, thanks ill try those and see if it works! |
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| 20:30.17 | simonrvn | me too |
| 20:30.37 | gravity | simonrvn: There's no ppc packages yet |
| 20:30.46 | gravity | The stuff is there to build it though |
| 20:30.58 | simonrvn | oh, this is an x86 |
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| 20:31.20 | directhex | i'll stick with xfree86 for now, i use nvidia so it's not as if it makes an awful lot of difference |
| 20:31.25 | simonrvn | my ppcs are servers right now until i can get another ppc to use as a desktop |
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| 20:31.30 | directhex | evdev stuff to get my mouse up to full speed might be nice, though |
| 20:31.32 | gravity | Oh, ok |
| 20:31.49 | abrotman | gravity: is sarge/etch/sid required for your packages? |
| 20:31.52 | samuel | gravity, silly question but... how do you write "~" in the console? |
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| 20:32.50 | gravity | abrotman: They've only been tested on sid by me |
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| 20:33.09 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 20:33.14 | gravity | samuel: Huh? Shift-(key to the left of 1) |
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| 20:33.33 | abrotman | samuel: what is your native language .. and what keyboard variant do you have ? |
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| 20:33.49 | cheal | directhex: how does using nvidia make Xorg less different? |
| 20:33.52 | samuel | gravity, there isnt one... its an american bought laptop, toshiba with us keyboard |
| 20:33.57 | nanok_ | samuel: how did you write it in here?.. :) |
| 20:34.05 | abrotman | samuel: you don't have a backtick ` key ? |
| 20:34.06 | alvanson | samuel: it is to the left of the spacebar |
| 20:34.07 | gravity | samuel: Mine is a US keyboard as well |
| 20:34.11 | samuel | nanok_, this is a different computer |
| 20:34.16 | alvanson | toshiba laptops are odd |
| 20:34.25 | abrotman | and shit :) |
| 20:34.32 | nanok_ | samuel: maybe you are using a different layout on the console? |
| 20:34.34 | samuel | abrotman, i doo |
| 20:34.43 | abrotman | samuel: should be shift+` keys |
| 20:34.50 | abrotman | wacky brits |
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| 20:35.03 | cheal | why does #debian-devel's topic read "no packages uploads currently"? |
| 20:35.10 | abrotman | ask them ? |
| 20:35.26 | samuel | abrotman, thanks, i think thats the one key i didnt try :) |
| 20:35.27 | nanok_ | samuel: ah, i get it, keep in mind that the layout on the laptop is usually the same as standard, not the toshiba one.. |
| 20:35.28 | directhex | cheal, i don't benefit from the main reason to run xorg, which is the improved driver support |
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| 20:35.45 | cheal | directhex: ah, ok... |
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| 20:36.04 | nanok_ | samuel: there is also another "good" way.. :) trial and error?.. :) |
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| 20:36.33 | samuel | nanok_, :) |
| 20:36.43 | Lewzer | pain in the arse this mobo is |
| 20:37.04 | FieldySnuts | don't buy shitty hardware? |
| 20:37.38 | skreet | Lewzer, What motherboard? |
| 20:37.43 | abrotman | wait a second .. how did he ask <samuel> gravity, silly question but... how do you write "~" in the console? |
| 20:37.50 | abrotman | without the key ? |
| 20:37.52 | abrotman | copy and paste? |
| 20:37.56 | skreet | He's on a different computer. |
| 20:38.00 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 20:38.00 | skreet | He said that a few lines later, iirc. |
| 20:38.16 | samuel | abrotman, im on a different computer in the chat |
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| 20:38.38 | directhex | my motherboard on the other hand is great |
| 20:38.38 | simonrvn | gravity: thanks dude. |
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| 20:39.08 | will851 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.16 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.21 | gravity | simonrvn: No problem |
| 20:39.24 | Pryon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:39.33 | k4m1k | hello, anyone know any repository who have mplayer for apt-get? |
| 20:39.34 | simonrvn | /fartfish |
| 20:39.38 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 20:39.46 | Lewzer | MSI KT880-delta, problem is there seems to be no driver for the VIA onboard gigabit lan |
| 20:39.51 | cheal | !tell k4m1k about marillat |
| 20:39.55 | initech | http://www.rth.org/sdzoo/Badger 2.jpg |
| 20:40.04 | FieldySnuts | s/\ /%20/ |
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| 20:40.08 | initech | oops |
| 20:40.24 | initech | anyway, that guy's crazy |
| 20:40.27 | valdyn | Lewzer: lspci |
| 20:40.28 | Pryon | Lewzer: you might try booting the latest knoppix and see what happens |
| 20:40.37 | cheal | k4m1k: apt-get and other apt frontends all use the same packages |
| 20:40.42 | valdyn | Lewzer: err, try lspci | grep -i ethernet |
| 20:40.57 | mtnman | k4m1k: mplayer is in debian testing |
| 20:41.01 | Lewzer | wish I could do that but the install CD doesn't have that commando :( |
| 20:41.08 | Lewzer | I haven't used deb since '99 |
| 20:41.16 | k4m1k | tnks, i ll check |
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| 20:41.41 | valdyn | Lewzer: i think sarge's install cd does have that command, in any case use the 2.6 kernel, ( linux26 at the bootprompt ) |
| 20:41.43 | Lewzer | hm and what's this koppix about lol |
| 20:41.58 | simonrvn | an ew distro for cops |
| 20:42.01 | simonrvn | new* |
| 20:42.12 | simonrvn | *puke* *barf* |
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| 20:42.17 | Lewzer | hm sarge sounds familiar |
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| 20:43.03 | caphuso | simonrvn: finally a distro with a working lart command ;-) |
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| 20:43.13 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 20:43.47 | Lewzer | man I miss deb lol |
| 20:43.48 | valdyn | Lewzer: you could also look in the documentation to see which nic you have... |
| 20:43.52 | simonrvn | then you have anarchix, a distro for anarchists ;p |
| 20:44.04 | initech | simonrvn: that is just debian itself :) |
| 20:44.11 | simonrvn | a working anti-lart command ;) |
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| 20:44.24 | abrotman | simonrvn: helix linux ? |
| 20:44.41 | Lewzer | well I looked, all I know is that it's VT8237 |
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| 20:44.50 | mtnman | simonrvn: lart -n |
| 20:44.54 | Lewzer | saw something bout a SMC95x driver |
| 20:45.10 | valdyn | Lewzer: a vt8237 is a pci bridge |
| 20:45.11 | simonrvn | hehehehe |
| 20:45.18 | Lewzer | ok yeah |
| 20:45.21 | simonrvn | lart -n w00t |
| 20:45.26 | Lewzer | that's what it was |
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| 20:46.19 | Thanatermesis | how to set my keyboard in another lang ? (console) |
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| 20:46.53 | pirre | Thanatermesis: man loadkeys |
| 20:47.36 | Lewzer | I see dpkg hasn't left heh |
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| 20:48.22 | otroean | Hi. is there anywhere i can find out wich users that are connected to my ftp server? i use proftpd |
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| 20:48.28 | abrotman | w |
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| 20:48.32 | abrotman | otroean: w |
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| 20:48.33 | abrotman | or who |
| 20:48.47 | mwilson | otroean: If you don't know how to administer an ftpd, why are you running one? |
| 20:48.48 | pirre | abrotman: will those also show ftp users? |
| 20:48.51 | abrotman | !tell Thanatermesis about keymap |
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| 20:49.01 | abrotman | pirre: try it and see |
| 20:49.03 | Lewzer | oh now I know where I heard Sarge from |
| 20:49.23 | Thanatermesis | tanks ! |
| 20:49.27 | Thanatermesis | th |
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| 20:49.39 | pirre | abrotman: no, doesn't work |
| 20:49.46 | Thanatermesis | loadkeys perfect ;) |
| 20:49.54 | abrotman | pirre: it damn well should |
| 20:50.02 | otroean | mwilson, i'm trying to set up an ftp. I used Windows before but have installed debian and have installed proftpd and are trying find out about it... |
| 20:50.02 | k4m1k | mplayer can open files .rm? |
| 20:50.16 | abrotman | !tell k4m1k about realplayer |
| 20:50.25 | abrotman | k4m1k: not that i'm aware of |
| 20:50.36 | pirre | abrotman: maybe not proftpd? |
| 20:50.39 | Lewzer | ws sarge testing or alpha? |
| 20:50.42 | abrotman | pirre: it shouldn't matter |
| 20:50.57 | abrotman | pirre: every box i've had ftp on . either w or who worked .. can't remember which |
| 20:51.04 | pirre | abrotman: okay |
| 20:51.13 | abrotman | and i do use proftpd |
| 20:51.17 | k4m1k | its because i tried use realplayer but the movies not be good, they run with very slow speed |
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| 20:51.45 | otroean | abrotman, it's doesn't work here... |
| 20:51.49 | abrotman | damn it .. |
| 20:52.11 | mwilson | otroean: And the documentation? What about that? |
| 20:53.14 | abrotman | god damn it .. it used to |
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| 20:53.51 | otroean | mwilson, i'm trying to learn. have read man. but couldn't find it there... |
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| 20:54.09 | abrotman | phaedrus44: i want lobster! |
| 20:54.18 | phaedrus44 | lol |
| 20:54.25 | abrotman | and quahogs! |
| 20:54.25 | phaedrus44 | me too! |
| 20:54.36 | abrotman | and Clam Chowder from Cappy's |
| 20:55.09 | concept10 | What is the best LiveCD to fix grub with? |
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| 20:55.19 | OleMoudi | how do I manage the services and daemons started during boot time? |
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| 20:55.35 | mtnman | olemoudi: man update-rc.d |
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| 20:55.50 | pureone | rcconf as well |
| 20:56.05 | FieldySnuts | er. |
| 20:56.36 | abrotman | re. |
| 20:57.17 | nanok | concept10: one you have within reach.. |
| 20:57.19 | nanok | :) |
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| 20:57.59 | Zaratustra | hello people |
| 20:58.07 | Zaratustra | how can i star sshd in debian? |
| 20:58.18 | Pryon | su - 'sshd' |
| 20:58.26 | directhex | /etc/init.d/ssh start ? |
| 20:58.28 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 20:58.53 | Zaratustra | thank u guys |
| 20:58.57 | mtnman | zaratustra: make sure you have the ssh package installed and that it is configured to run the daemon. |
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| 21:00.17 | mtnman | !maint apache |
| 21:00.19 | dpkg | apache: Debian Apache Maintainers <debian-apache@lists.debian.org> |
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| 21:01.15 | Zaratustra | mtnman, when i do whereis sshd i receive /usr/sbin/sshd /usr/share/man/man8/sshd.8.gz |
| 21:01.29 | FieldySnuts | handhold? |
| 21:01.33 | mtnman | zaratustra: is there a question ? |
| 21:01.36 | jim | hi |
| 21:01.40 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 21:01.45 | mtnman | ih |
| 21:01.48 | Zaratustra | mtnman, yes,i cant start the server |
| 21:01.49 | EmleyMoor | I've got a problem affecting my use of OpenOffice and wine in related ways... |
| 21:01.54 | Zaratustra | how can i know if is configured ok? |
| 21:02.00 | FieldySnuts | logs? |
| 21:02.02 | mtnman | zaratustra: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 21:02.12 | jim | try ssh localhost? see mtnman too. |
| 21:02.13 | Zaratustra | thnx mtnman |
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| 21:02.29 | mtnman | zaratustra: or look at its config in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 21:03.02 | nanok | Zaratustra: have you tried /etc/init.d/ssh start as root?.. |
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| 21:03.10 | Zaratustra | yes nanok |
| 21:03.14 | EmleyMoor | If I run them at home on my screen, I get US settings (dates in mm/dd/yy, money in $), but in a VNC server I get UK (dd/mm/yy, ?) - how do I get it UK in both? |
| 21:03.23 | FieldySnuts | watch out where the huskies go, don't you eat that yellow snow |
| 21:03.25 | simonrvn | brb |
| 21:03.33 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: fartfish? |
| 21:03.35 | mtnman | zaratustra: when you install ssh, sshd is not enabled by default, iirc |
| 21:03.47 | petemc | it asks you |
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| 21:04.19 | nanok | Zaratustra: and? ... |
| 21:04.48 | Zaratustra | nanok, im configuring with dpkg-reconf... because the start didnt work |
| 21:04.55 | mne | hi ! I've udev running and I want to have a device /dev/parport0. I can "mknod /dev/parport0 c 99 0" and it works. unfortunately I would have to do this averey time I boot. Is there a way to tell udev that it should make a /dev/parport0 for me ? |
| 21:05.24 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: eh? |
| 21:05.46 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 21:05.51 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 21:06.26 | FieldySnuts | mne: udev config file? guessing here, i don't use it. |
| 21:06.38 | simonrvn | there's a links.conf i think |
| 21:06.40 | EmleyMoor | Any idea on my US/UK dates/money problem? |
| 21:06.44 | simonrvn | see /etc/udev |
| 21:06.53 | simonrvn | set your locale EmleyMoor |
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| 21:07.12 | abrotman | you know .. it's been a relatively sane sunday |
| 21:07.16 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 21:07.21 | mne | FieldySnuts, I've parport in my udev configs, no idea why it doesn't make a /dev/parport0. I'll have a look at the other config files in /dev/udev |
| 21:07.23 | EmleyMoor | "set" it how? I'd really like to know how I got two different ones |
| 21:07.23 | abrotman | except for the +q on dpkg earlier |
| 21:07.45 | mtnman | emleymoor: sounds like you have different locales setup for each machine. |
| 21:07.49 | simonrvn | see locale command for starters, it'll show you what's set |
| 21:08.07 | EmleyMoor | mtnman: They are one machine, just different X server instances, effectively |
| 21:08.07 | mtnman | emleymoor: on a debian box, dpkg-reconfigure locales is the way to adjust it. |
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| 21:08.43 | Virtual | Any plugin for XMMS that can display the song played in gaim ? |
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| 21:09.12 | EmleyMoor | I tried locale - everything that is set is showing "en_GB" |
| 21:09.37 | Zaratustra | somebody knows it? |
| 21:09.39 | Zaratustra | bakunin:/home/sthk# tar -xvzf webmin-1.210.tar.gz |
| 21:09.39 | Zaratustra | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 21:09.39 | Zaratustra | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 21:09.52 | FieldySnuts | "it"? |
| 21:10.03 | FieldySnuts | file webmin* |
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| 21:10.15 | Zaratustra | the error |
| 21:10.20 | Zaratustra | why i receive this error |
| 21:10.23 | mtnman | emleymoore: and which of the two servers is not displaying en_GB? |
| 21:10.24 | abrotman | hrm .. watch Fletch or Ronin |
| 21:10.26 | FieldySnuts | try what I said |
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| 21:10.28 | drac | Zaratustra: Run 'file webmin-1.210.tar.gz' to see what that package really is. |
| 21:10.29 | EmleyMoor | I have also tried in the vnc server - all en_GB - so why is the display on the machine not taking a blind bit of notice? |
| 21:10.40 | drac | Zaratustra: And why are you installing from source? You can do apt-get install webmin. |
| 21:10.54 | resiak | (And don't use Webmin ;)) |
| 21:10.59 | Zaratustra | bakunin:/home/sthk# file webmin-1.210.tar.gz |
| 21:10.59 | Zaratustra | webmin-1.210.tar.gz: HTML document text |
| 21:10.59 | drac | And that :) |
| 21:11.07 | drac | Zaratustra: There you have it. |
| 21:11.08 | FieldySnuts | so it's not in fact a tar.gz. |
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| 21:12.00 | Zaratustra | but the file is 8 mb,how can be html document? |
| 21:12.23 | mne | I added "KERNEL="parport[0-9]*", NAME="parports/%n"" to my /etc/udev/udev.rules. It did the trick, thx ;) |
| 21:12.24 | FieldySnuts | how did ya save it |
| 21:12.32 | FieldySnuts | mne: :D |
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| 21:12.39 | dorijan | anyone here using grub ? |
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| 21:12.52 | dorijan | im getting an odd error here |
| 21:12.56 | jethro | |
| 21:13.05 | dorijan | i have 2 machines, one with a single hdd , and a 2nd one with a s-ata raid1 |
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| 21:13.16 | directhex | dorijan, define "raid1" |
| 21:13.29 | dorijan | when i run grub-install --no-floppy on the single hdd box it takes like 5 seconds and is done |
| 21:13.35 | resiak | FieldySnuts: I didn't know you were a udev fan! I'd not expected that of ye'. |
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| 21:13.43 | dorijan | the raid1 box takes ages and spills out even fd0 errors |
| 21:13.45 | FieldySnuts | i'm not |
| 21:13.52 | dorijan | directhex : 2 disks attached to a hardware raid controller (3ware) |
| 21:13.52 | S4nD3r_ | E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing. how solve this error??? |
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| 21:14.02 | FieldySnuts | there is a no-floppy option or something similar, check out grubs man page |
| 21:14.06 | dorijan | i did |
| 21:14.08 | FieldySnuts | this often happens when you have raid |
| 21:14.14 | dorijan | and as i wrote i used the option :) |
| 21:14.15 | FieldySnuts | oh well iv'e been through that, got me past it |
| 21:14.21 | directhex | dorijan, as long as it's a real controller. most people assume a £5 silicon image is raid |
| 21:14.26 | S4nD3r_ | please |
| 21:14.27 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Oh. |
| 21:14.28 | S4nD3r_ | E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing. how solve this error??? |
| 21:14.41 | caphuso | S4nD3r_: mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
| 21:14.43 | dorijan | directhex no this is a 8 port s-ata controller |
| 21:14.44 | resiak | !tell S4nD3r_ -about repeat |
| 21:15.14 | S4nD3r_ | only caphuso ?? |
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| 21:15.36 | dorijan | so its normal that grub takes longer on a raid ? |
| 21:16.16 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 21:16.23 | EmleyMoor | Some further diagnosis... I get the GB settings when I start things from a shell, but the US from the menus on display :0 - from the VNC, I get GB on both |
| 21:16.34 | EmleyMoor | Where is it that my setting is amiss and how do I fix it? |
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| 21:18.37 | beard | is there a guide to install nvidia drivers in debian sarge amd64, nothing I have tried that works elsewhere will work |
| 21:19.02 | directhex | !tell beard about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:19.39 | beard | directhex, did not understand your comment |
| 21:19.39 | mtnman | emleymoor: not sure if this is the problem, but have you checke which keyboard xserver-xfree86 is configured to use? |
| 21:19.48 | directhex | that doesn't bode well. |
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| 21:20.52 | EmleyMoor | mtnman: This is not keyboard related - the ? or $ sign is generated by the program - but it is somewhere in the xserver settings, I guess, that it is lacking GB or set to US |
| 21:21.16 | EmleyMoor | (besides, the keyboard gives me ? or $ whichever I press) |
| 21:21.29 | mtnman | emleymoor: have you checked if the xserver is configured for a gb keyboard? |
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| 21:21.56 | mtnman | emleymoor: that is a yes/no question. |
| 21:22.08 | Kempston | is there a software way to reset pc ? |
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| 21:22.21 | directhex | type "reboot"? |
| 21:22.21 | Kempston | 'reboot' ain`t helping |
| 21:22.25 | felipe_br | how do I cancel a "purge" flag? |
| 21:22.30 | mtnman | kempston: shutdown -r now |
| 21:22.31 | EmleyMoor | mtnman: Yes |
| 21:22.35 | felipe_br | (purge flag of a package) |
| 21:22.39 | pwillam | EmleyMoor: how do you start your x-sessions - with startx, xdm/kdm/gdm, X? how do you start them locally, how remote? |
| 21:22.56 | abrotman | felipe_br: and make it what ? |
| 21:23.04 | beard | that appears to be working, thanks |
| 21:23.18 | EmleyMoor | On display :0, xdm (at boot time and as necessary). Remote: I run vncserver from a shell |
| 21:23.29 | mtnman | kempston: telinit 6 |
| 21:23.29 | Kempston | still no result |
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| 21:23.58 | S4nD3r_ | how do I discover the biggests packages installed??? |
| 21:24.07 | Kempston | no help either |
| 21:24.07 | Kempston | i have few processes tta do not die after kill -9 |
| 21:24.37 | felipe_br | I did apt-get remove --purge acct ; it removed (ouch) my psacct files ; now I want that the next time I do remove (if ever) it does not purge |
| 21:24.46 | war- | Anyone here use logcheck with Debian? I am trying to ignore mountd requests (violations.ignore.d/) but have not had any luck, anyone do this before? |
| 21:24.53 | abs | allo all has any one have a clue on how to desable the alt+ right mous click function |
| 21:25.02 | mtnman | felip_br: leave out --purge |
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| 21:25.13 | EmleyMoor | abs: In what? |
| 21:25.13 | abs | sorry ment left |
| 21:25.23 | abs | ubuntu |
| 21:25.24 | pwillam | EmleyMoor: so the terminals _within_ your X have a shell and that shells have GB setting; as well as vncserver from the shell. -- So xdm apparently uses another environment than your shell sessions. |
| 21:25.37 | felipe_br | war- have you tried to place it under /etc/logcheck/ignore.d.workstation/local ? |
| 21:25.42 | abs | EmleyMoor, sorry ment the alt and left mouse click |
| 21:25.46 | EmleyMoor | pwillam: Yes, so it would seem |
| 21:25.56 | Kempston | any other way ? |
| 21:25.59 | EmleyMoor | abs: But in what program? |
| 21:26.13 | felipe_br | war- it depends on what type of your conf (workstation, server, paranoid...) |
| 21:26.18 | war- | felipe_br: I use server options, so I tried /etc/logcheck/ignore.d/server/ |
| 21:26.20 | abrotman | i retract my earlier statement |
| 21:26.34 | war- | felipe_br: yeah, :(, even made a ^.*mountd.*$ - still sends it to me |
| 21:26.46 | felipe_br | mtnman: no ... I have already done purge. But it's sticky! I want to remove this state |
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| 21:27.13 | mtnman | felipe_br: i don't understand you. |
| 21:27.18 | abs | EmleyMoor, Maya |
| 21:27.19 | felipe_br | mtnman: even if I install acct again, when I do a normal remove, its conffiles are purged |
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| 21:27.33 | pwillam | EmleyMoor: so another try would be to use a normal shell first and then try startx -- then it should be ok. (this is no final solution, just sorting things out) |
| 21:27.48 | dorijan | hmm how nice not grup-install killed the raid again heh |
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| 21:28.11 | felipe_br | mtnman: see, I want to remove purge state, so eevn if I remove it again in the future, dpkg wont remove my conffiles (I want to cancel purging of this package from now on) |
| 21:28.27 | liable | !tell root_ about root |
| 21:28.44 | felipe_br | war- are you sure that's the correct dir? do yu use unstable? |
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| 21:29.02 | S4nD3r_ | How do I add more space to my / partition ???? Is it possible?? |
| 21:29.04 | war- | felipe_br: I use testing/Etch |
| 21:29.21 | mtnman | felipe_br: well i don't use acct, but you might try dpkg-reconfigure acct to reset its behavior. |
| 21:29.25 | war- | felipe_br: will reboot soon to make more requests and Ill see at in 30 min to see if it sends again |
| 21:29.34 | felipe_br | war- sorry... I'm using unstable... maybe different behaviour |
| 21:29.36 | dorijan | FieldySnuts or directhex : http://pastebin.com/304444 ever seen something like that ? |
| 21:29.37 | abs | EmleyMoor, it causes me a problem as maya uses the alt+ left mouse button to dolly around the scene or 3d object |
| 21:29.38 | pwillam | felipe_br: when uninstalling packages they are not purged by default anyway. if you want to purge you have to say this explicitly for _each_ package removel. |
| 21:29.46 | felipe_br | wat- but that's the file I use and it works |
| 21:29.52 | EmleyMoor | abs: No idea about maya, sorry |
| 21:30.01 | felipe_br | war- do other patterns in this file work? |
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| 21:30.35 | mwilson | hm... 7667 |
| 21:30.37 | Radiance | guys, any one had troublewith slidentd under sarge ? somehow when it is running as an unpriviliged user it doesn't work and closes with "unknown-error" ... but if i let it run as root (in inetd.conf) then it works ...thanks |
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| 21:30.40 | felipe_br | pwillam: well that's not what's happening... when I say "apt-get remove acct" dpkg does purge, because I did it once in the past... try it out! |
| 21:30.46 | mwilson | I wish nVidia did real changelogs |
| 21:30.47 | war- | felipe_br: yeah, I have several working but I put them both in ignore.server.d andthe server.d, so I am not sure which one is working hehe :P |
| 21:31.17 | abs | EmleyMoor, thats ok dud, i did read somewhere how to do it but, buy using the xcfc and creating a file with "easy_click=false" in it |
| 21:31.38 | abs | EmleyMoor, xfc4 |
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| 21:32.10 | EmleyMoor | ls |
| 21:32.12 | EmleyMoor | Oops |
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| 21:33.17 | felipe_br | war- you should create a local file for your own patterns instead of mixing with package owned files |
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| 21:33.34 | felipe_br | war- because when you update your logcheck package your rules will be overwritten, see? |
| 21:33.41 | resiak | abs: Do you not just go into the XFce4 conf panel and remove those bindings? |
| 21:33.47 | war- | felipe_br: I hit N to keep my own |
| 21:33.52 | war- | felipe_br: but good idea |
| 21:33.55 | poningru | hi I had a question |
| 21:34.01 | resiak | abs: But anyway, get over to #ubuntu |
| 21:34.03 | poningru | trying to do an apt-build |
| 21:34.05 | poningru | world |
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| 21:34.14 | felipe_br | war- but then you don't get new patterns from upstream |
| 21:34.14 | resiak | !tell poningru -about enter |
| 21:34.26 | poningru | rofl |
| 21:34.27 | abs | resiak, oh sorry, i thought i was in ubuntu |
| 21:34.29 | felipe_br | war- i remeber of having read this clue |
| 21:34.31 | poningru | sorry |
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| 21:34.43 | resiak | abs: Heh, right. :) |
| 21:34.53 | war- | felipe_br: good point |
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| 21:35.20 | poningru | in the instructions it said to remove certain packages from the apt-build.list |
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| 21:35.28 | EmleyMoor | I could still do with some pointers to this, we've now ascertained, xdm setting problem I'm having - but thanks for helping me this far |
| 21:35.48 | abs | resiak, true dude, im a bit like a headless chicken, lost and bumping into all the wrong things ;) |
| 21:35.58 | poningru | but only specified : "Be sure to edit the list to remove, for example, gcc!" |
| 21:36.02 | pwillam | felipe_br: does removing really delete your conffiles from disk? or is it just the package status you worry about? |
| 21:36.03 | resiak | !tell poningru about enter |
| 21:36.17 | Virtual | is there anyway that I can set when I edit a file it doesn`t create a backup ? |
| 21:36.21 | resiak | poningru: Why do you want to rebuild your entire system? |
| 21:36.25 | resiak | Virtual: In what editor? |
| 21:36.28 | poningru | experimentation |
| 21:36.33 | beard | I did the nvidia "one liner" and the results are pretty much the same, the error message begins: unable to load kernel module "nvidia.ko" |
| 21:36.38 | felipe_br | pwillam: hey, maybe normal --remove (without --purge) removes conffiles in acct... |
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| 21:36.53 | resiak | poningru: If you don't know what not to do, you shouldn't rebuild everything. :) |
| 21:36.58 | pwillam | EmleyMoor: for a hack try to set (and export) LANG in the startscript of xdm |
| 21:36.59 | Virtual | resiak: Kate or KWrite |
| 21:37.11 | resiak | Virtual: Why not ask in a KDE channel? |
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| 21:37.17 | felipe_br | but dpkg says "removing conffiles"... i thought that's a "purging" message, emmited by dpkg itself |
| 21:37.52 | poningru | resiak: but how would I know what not to do unless I look around, or ask someone |
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| 21:38.24 | pwillam | felipe_br: are the any files left after remove? or are they all gone? |
| 21:38.42 | poningru | see I have a pretty good idea |
| 21:38.47 | poningru | just need some guidance |
| 21:39.24 | beard | if I use the debian sarge 386 version with my amd64, will it allow me to install the nvidia drivers? |
| 21:39.42 | pipeline | beard: Yes. |
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| 21:39.56 | resiak | poningru: You didn't ask a good question. Try being more to the point. But why not just apply common sense (don't rebuild critical or enormous things) and experiment? |
| 21:40.01 | EmleyMoor | Is there a way I could set my personal locale in my .Xsession? |
| 21:40.02 | beard | pipeline, thanks, ubuntu did |
| 21:40.07 | mwilson | So will the AMD64 beta. |
| 21:40.14 | felipe_br | it is really doing purge... because I did dpkg --control and read the postrm script... it only does rm -rv /var/account if $1==purge! |
| 21:40.29 | poningru | well I have removed most of the build stuff |
| 21:40.34 | beard | mwilson, that would be unstable? |
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| 21:40.59 | mwilson | beard: It would be? |
| 21:41.06 | pwillam | EmleyMoor: or .Xsession of course ;-) |
| 21:41.07 | resiak | !tell poningru about nickprefix |
| 21:41.14 | directhex | amd64 sarge has no nvidia drivers, but amd64 sid does. |
| 21:41.28 | beard | grumble, trying to figure out where to get this amd64 beta |
| 21:41.33 | mwilson | There is no AMD64 Sarge. |
| 21:41.37 | magyar | i want to mount a ntfs partition on /mnt and i would like it to be mounted read-only for all users. Is it possible to do with "mount"? |
| 21:41.41 | resiak | mwilson: Erm, yes there is. |
| 21:41.44 | felipe_br | pwillam: now I got to remove it without purging, but I used aptitude |
| 21:41.52 | directhex | note that the nvidia drivers are not designed for a 64 bit kernel and 32 bit userspace, so i386 sarge with amd64 kernel may not work with nvidia |
| 21:41.52 | poningru | wow you guys really drive the whip |
| 21:41.52 | pipeline | mage: option "umask", perhaps |
| 21:41.52 | resiak | mwilson: It's all but official. |
| 21:41.53 | beard | mwilson yes there is I am using it atm |
| 21:42.01 | pipeline | magyar: option "ro" |
| 21:42.04 | mwilson | resiak: That doesn't make it *official*. |
| 21:42.13 | mwilson | resiak: Thus, there is not one. |
| 21:42.21 | resiak | mwilson: But amd64 Sarge _exists_. |
| 21:42.52 | beard | directhex, the i386 ubuntu works with the amdt64 and nvidia drivers |
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| 21:43.08 | beard | sorry amd64 |
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| 21:43.32 | snooo | hi ppl |
| 21:43.34 | pwillam | felipe_br: ?? so how do you solved it now? |
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| 21:43.40 | mwilson | !ppl |
| 21:43.41 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 21:43.41 | directhex | it's supported by debian security, installers are on cdimage, and it was declared released a couple of weeks ago in DWN. it's not technically an official sarge port, but it's as near as damnit |
| 21:43.51 | felipe_br | pwillam: I dont know yet, I will remove it with apt-get now |
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| 21:44.09 | directhex | beard, that would probably be with some messy kludge which is not supported in debian |
| 21:44.16 | zOap | how can I see what users who are connected on proftpd? w and who does not show... and not what service the connected are using... |
| 21:44.38 | felipe_br | I tried even echo acct install | dpkg --set-selections |
| 21:44.44 | snooo | i'm using debian sarge and am having probs with dns lookup. For some reason, since I've moved house, it now takes an extra 20 seconds to look up any domain name - which makes browsing quite frustrating. There do not seem to be any problems on any of the Windows PC using the ADSL router we have installed here. Any ideas what the problem could be? |
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| 21:44.57 | beard | directhex, I only mention it because ubuntu is debian based and everything works in ubuntu that will not work with this debian |
| 21:45.02 | mwilson | zOap: proftpd has documentation for this purpose. |
| 21:45.15 | nse | There's no etch updates for a long time. Is that common? |
| 21:45.26 | mwilson | nse: Of course. |
| 21:45.29 | directhex | beard, if you don't know the rather large differences between ubuntu and debian, please don't make sweeping comments and expect to be taken seriously |
| 21:45.36 | zOap | mwilson, ok, I just thought that maybe there was a bash command which showed all users connected, and with what service... |
| 21:45.45 | nvz | nse: Etch hasn't been out a long time, its not even been out a month yet |
| 21:45.58 | magyar | pipeline: when i do, in sudo mode, "mount -a /dev/sda2 /mnt" it works fine accept users can't read the files. If I do -ro as you suggested i get "mount: can't find /mnt in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" |
| 21:45.59 | mtnman | snooo: have you changed isp? |
| 21:46.05 | beard | directhex, not trying to start a war, only trying to get the nvidia drivers installed so I can game with debian |
| 21:46.05 | snooo | mtnman: yup |
| 21:46.05 | mwilson | zOap: Why would there be? Bash doesn't have anything to do with ftp. |
| 21:46.14 | resiak | nse: Incoming is frozen for various reasons. |
| 21:46.15 | felipe_br | pwillam and all: DAMN! I was with Apt::Get::Purge turned on!!! :-((( |
| 21:46.22 | zOap | mwilson, yeah, you may be right... |
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| 21:46.34 | directhex | beard, you ignored my attempt to help you 25 minutes ago. |
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| 21:46.39 | trave11er | nse: it is probably a bit abnormal, one of the key debian machines (ftp-master) is being moved (or has been moved) to another location |
| 21:46.40 | felipe_br | I did it when I was trying to make apt-get delete deb archives from cache after installing |
| 21:46.40 | pipeline | magyar: You have to do -o ro. |
| 21:46.46 | felipe_br | solved now |
| 21:46.48 | mtnman | snooo: since you changed isp have you changed /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 21:46.49 | pwillam | #i try to install a local package -- like described in debian-reference: 6.4.11 local archives -- b |
| 21:46.54 | trave11er | nse: so no uploads to sid for the last few days |
| 21:46.57 | snooo | mntman: no... i haven't. |
| 21:47.02 | nse | mwilson, nvz: But the sid development is happening all the time, continuously.. |
| 21:47.04 | simonrvn | i just got updates in sid today |
| 21:47.05 | snooo | mtnman: even |
| 21:47.08 | trave11er | it might affect propagation sid->etch too |
| 21:47.10 | beard | directhex, I did not, I took your "one liner" and ran with it, it didnt work, now I am back telling you it didnt work |
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| 21:47.13 | snooo | mtnman: what does this do? |
| 21:47.14 | Virtual | What is the most suitable kernel for a laptop / |
| 21:47.16 | pwillam | felipe_br: ...as i said, by _default_ it wont be purged ;-) |
| 21:47.23 | mtnman | snooo: you may have a dely in accessing the old isp's nameserver from the new isp's network. |
| 21:47.23 | sobersabre | guys. |
| 21:47.28 | sobersabre | swap isn't used! |
| 21:47.30 | sobersabre | what to do ? |
| 21:47.31 | mtnman | s/dely/delay/ |
| 21:47.32 | magyar | pipeline: or I could of used "-r" |
| 21:47.33 | simonrvn | ohnoz |
| 21:47.37 | felipe_br | pwillam yes, and I guess that's not a sticky flag as Hold |
| 21:47.38 | nvz | Virtual: whatever kernel is for the acrh of the laptop |
| 21:47.39 | directhex | beard, no, actually, you never said that once. if you had queried it, i would have said "you need sid packages as well as sarge, /msg dpkg quick sid/sarge mix" |
| 21:47.41 | magyar | pipeline: thank you |
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| 21:47.50 | mwilson | nse: Yes, it certainly is. And if you ever actually bother to learn how testing works, well, you'll understand. |
| 21:47.53 | sobersabre | SMP, ppc64, 4GB mem, 11GB swap. |
| 21:47.54 | pwillam | felipe_br: right |
| 21:47.59 | sun_ | hi anyone get a usb joystock working in flightgear or ppracer? |
| 21:48.00 | snooo | mtnman: it currently says... |
| 21:48.03 | snooo | mtnman: search |
| 21:48.13 | pwillam | felipe_br: unless you stick it in apt.conf ;-) |
| 21:48.15 | pipeline | sobersabre: Why would you be hitting swap with 4G of ram, you lucky dog. |
| 21:48.24 | snooo | mtnman: nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:48.30 | nse | mwilson: I'll do it. |
| 21:48.44 | magyar | pipeline: neverthe less it still mounts it with "400" permision |
| 21:48.49 | mtnman | snooo: i suppose 192.168.1.1 is your router? |
| 21:48.50 | beard | directhex, wasnt aware i needed sid packages, the one liner did install everything ok, but the nvidia installer still cannot find the kernel sources |
| 21:48.54 | snooo | mtnman: yes |
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| 21:49.03 | directhex | beard, DO NOT USE NVIDIA-INSTALLER |
| 21:49.06 | mtnman | snooo: how does your router connect to the internet? |
| 21:49.06 | mwilson | Did you INSTALL kernel sources? |
| 21:49.15 | snooo | mtnman: ADSL PPPoA |
| 21:49.29 | snooo | used to have cable |
| 21:49.32 | beard | directhex, ok ahh what then should I use? |
| 21:49.32 | pipeline | magyar: No, the permissions are built into the filesystem. You'll have to use the umask option to grant everyone extra privileges. You didn't ask what you thought you asked. |
| 21:49.39 | directhex | oh jesus |
| 21:49.43 | mtnman | snooo: do you know if the pppoa sets resolv.conf on the router? |
| 21:49.48 | directhex | beard, use the debian packages. the ones the one liner installs. |
| 21:50.07 | snooo | mtnman: i have no idea. its an off the shelf router |
| 21:50.23 | directhex | beard, i.e. nvidia-glx is the nvidia 3d driver |
| 21:50.29 | snooo | mtnman: i'm guessing it does something similar as everybody else's DNS works fine |
| 21:50.33 | pwillam | i try to install a local package -- like described in debian-reference: 6.4.11 local archives -- but "apt-get|aptitude update" keeps ingnoring the package information! |
| 21:50.37 | mtnman | snooo: is it a dhcp thing or static ip? |
| 21:50.42 | snooo | dhcp |
| 21:50.43 | sun_ | hi anyone using apt-proxy |
| 21:50.48 | beard | directhex, sorry I am not a programmer, i have used linux for years but a lot of this goes over my head |
| 21:51.09 | mwilson | beard: What does being a programmer have to do with it? |
| 21:51.15 | magyar | pipeline: roger |
| 21:51.18 | beard | directhex, I installed the nvidia-glx and the nvidia-kernel |
| 21:51.35 | beard | mwilson, all this is much easier if you understand it |
| 21:51.35 | mtnman | snooo: i would suggest that you verify that dhcp is telling the router which nameserver to use. otherwise it might be accessing the one from your old (cable) provider. |
| 21:51.57 | mwilson | beard: Yes, but what does that have to do with being a programmer? |
| 21:52.08 | snooo | mtnman: its a new router |
| 21:52.09 | beard | directhex, that did not install the driver though |
| 21:52.19 | resiak | beard: Yes, it does. |
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| 21:52.25 | directhex | beard, yes, it did. if nvidia-glxz is installed, the driver is installed. nvidia-glx is the driver. |
| 21:52.27 | beard | mwilson, duh programmers know how to do this, I dont |
| 21:52.27 | nvz | mwilson: apperently only programmers can read. |
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| 21:52.41 | mtnman | snooo: i think it is still a good idea to verify that dhcp is telling the router which nameserver to use. |
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| 21:53.10 | beard | directhex, so if I edit the config file it should bring up X with the nvidia ? |
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| 21:53.26 | poningru | so I removed any gcc or g++ stuff from the apt-build.list |
| 21:53.46 | directhex | beard, you don't edit the config file by hand. if you had actually followed the one liner (which i doubt), you would have run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, which would hjave give you the option to use the nvidia driver |
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| 21:53.54 | mtnman | snooo: an alternate solution would be to not use 192.168.1.1 in /etc/resolv.conf on the debian box, but to actually specify the real nameserver ip address of the new providers dns. |
| 21:54.08 | beard | mwilson, besides all that I am 68 years old, cut me some slack ok |
| 21:54.27 | resiak | directhex: xmd5 may be called for. |
| 21:54.32 | beard | directhex, I did a copy paste, if thats not doing it right...... |
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| 21:55.27 | snooo | mtnman: thats what i've done. seems to work fine now |
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| 21:55.59 | snooo | mtnman: the router seemed to be the bottleneck |
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| 21:56.26 | mtnman | snooo: sounds like reading the manual might help you find how to configure dns on the router. |
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| 21:56.36 | magyar | pipeline: I used "mount -aro umask=033 /dev/sda2 /mnt" which mouted with 644, but i till can't cd to /mnt "access denied" :( |
| 21:56.55 | snooo | mtnman: might be an idea :) its not mine and i've only just moved in - this is someone else's set up... |
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| 21:57.07 | magyar | pipeline: sorry 544 |
| 21:57.12 | mtnman | snooo: then set your machine properly and forget about it. :) |
| 21:57.17 | pipeline | magyar: You can't traverse directories without execute permissions. |
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| 21:57.21 | snooo | mtnman: right u are |
| 21:57.23 | cfan | deepan:x:1000:1000:deepan ,,,:/home/deepan:/bin/bash |
| 21:57.23 | cfan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.23 | cfan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.23 | cfan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:57.35 | mtnman | snooo: well, this time, at least. |
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| 21:57.45 | pipeline | magyar: having read permission on a directory means you can read things inside of it -- it doesn't mean you can list its contents. |
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| 21:57.54 | mtnman | cfan: have you read man passwd? |
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| 21:58.05 | beard | nv is on the list as is vesa (which I am using atm) but there is no nvidia on that list |
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| 21:58.53 | jim | <mtnman> cfan: have you read man passwd? |
| 21:58.57 | cfan | i am tring to use the same home partition for fc3 and sarge.. |
| 21:59.04 | cfan | ya.. |
| 21:59.06 | pwillam | pipeline: where did you get this strange understanding of it? |
| 21:59.11 | jim | so now you know ;) |
| 21:59.12 | resiak | cfan: /home or / ? |
| 21:59.19 | sobersabre | pipeline, let's concentrate... i want to see if swap works fine. |
| 21:59.21 | mtnman | cfan: man 5 passwd |
| 21:59.24 | cfan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.30 | sobersabre | i need to fill mem and start using swap |
| 21:59.43 | jim | hey! I saw that movie! |
| 21:59.55 | sobersabre | wrote a malloc()ing test - swap not used. |
| 22:00.01 | sobersabre | what shall i do ? |
| 22:00.03 | jim | it was funny when the kid swung the paintcans at the bad guys |
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| 22:00.51 | mtnman | jim: not funny for the bad guys. |
| 22:00.52 | jim | sobersabre: unless you write on what you malloc, it doesn't actually use ram |
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| 22:02.30 | jim | sobersabre: so alter your test so you also zero the memory you get (remember to check the return value of malloc for the conditions stated in the man page beforehand) |
| 22:03.55 | beard | directhex, I have used /usr/local/bin in the past for apps etc I want to install, is there somewhere else that I should use for the nvidia stuff? |
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| 22:04.20 | mtnman | beard: /usr/local/sbin is another option |
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| 22:04.42 | resiak | pipeline: You realise that what you said about +w on directories is the exact inverse of the truth, don't you? |
| 22:04.46 | jim | btw, why do you need to fill mem? that's an extremely abnormal condition, one that you should hope to not achieve but of course also one you should be prepared for |
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| 22:05.08 | mtnman | jim: the idea of testing a system under load comes to mind. |
| 22:05.18 | pipeline | resiak: No. What are you talking about? |
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| 22:05.29 | pipeline | resiak: You need execute permissions to list the contents of a directory. |
| 22:05.34 | pipeline | resiak: You only need read permissions to read the contents. |
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| 22:05.44 | paulswm | pipeline: Wrong again |
| 22:05.58 | pipeline | ... |
| 22:06.01 | resiak | pipeline: You said practically the opposite above, anyway. |
| 22:06.02 | paulswm | pipeline: resiak is correct. |
| 22:06.17 | paulswm | execute permissions on a directory means you can cd to it |
| 22:06.22 | resiak | paulswm: Just repeat what you said in -ot |
| 22:06.24 | resiak | ;) |
| 22:06.38 | jim | mtnman: true |
| 22:06.38 | paulswm | write perms on a directory allow you to create or delete files |
| 22:06.49 | paulswm | <paulswm> read permission on something means you can read it. When you read a directory, a directory contains the filenames amongst other things (like inodes) |
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| 22:06.58 | directhex | beard, no, no and no. i have other things to do this evening, if a clear set of sequential instructions is overly complex, for you, then someone else is going to have to hand-hold you, because i have other things on my agenda |
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| 22:07.21 | paulswm | write perms on a directory allows you to delete files even though you may have no permissions on the files themselves. |
| 22:07.35 | pipeline | resiak: oh, I switched the two. Oh well. |
| 22:07.56 | jim | read on a directory doesn't mean you can search it, just means that you can find files in there if you -already- know the name |
| 22:08.01 | resiak | pipeline: I was just pointing it out :) |
| 22:08.02 | beard | directhex, you have my most sincere apology for wasting your time, I will now go away and not bother you anymore, thanks for all your "help" and the insults I will cherish |
| 22:08.13 | Eulex | I can't get my cd/dvd drive to work... for some reason I get no /dev/scd0 (it's scsi) |
| 22:08.19 | pipeline | resiak: You said "invert" and I thought I'd totally botched it, but not so much. |
| 22:08.22 | paulswm | pipeline: It doesn't matter what you think, just that you gave wrong advice to magyar |
| 22:08.22 | jim | you need x permission on a directory in order to get its content list |
| 22:08.31 | robin_sz | hmmm .. so, the latest kernel for Sarge is 2.6.8 right? what if I needed a later one? some line I can add to apt/sources.list? |
| 22:08.36 | pipeline | paulswm: He got what he wanted in either case. *shrug* |
| 22:08.42 | robin_sz | to get my webcam working again |
| 22:08.46 | resiak | pipeline: Invert means switching the two! |
| 22:09.28 | pipeline | resiak: Not quite and not necessarily. |
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| 22:09.41 | pwillam | perms for directories: "r" for "ls dir/" -- "x" for "cd dir/" -- "w" for "touch dir/foo" + "rm dir/foo" |
| 22:09.59 | resiak | pipeline: Fair enough. |
| 22:10.05 | robin_sz | or is there some other way to get philps webcam support now its been pulled from the kernel? |
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| 22:10.25 | jim | pwillam: you should test that... |
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| 22:10.51 | jim | you can't ls a dir that doesn't have x |
| 22:11.05 | pwillam | jim: you CAN -- test it! |
| 22:11.07 | beard | mister high and mighty should understand something here, installing nvidia-glx, does not install the nvidia driver |
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| 22:11.32 | jim | if that's the case it's not useful |
| 22:11.37 | directhex | yes, it does |
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| 22:11.40 | Eulex | I'm on debian etch and the 2.6.11 kernel, the hd works nicely and can be reached through /dev/sdax, but I get no device for the cd/dvd drive... how to check what's wrong? |
| 22:11.47 | directhex | if you're too stupid to understand that, i don't see how it's my fault |
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| 22:12.05 | directhex | specifically, nvidia-glx includes /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o, which is "the nvidia driver" |
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| 22:12.22 | mtnman | eulex: lshw may help. |
| 22:12.28 | jim | that's weird |
| 22:12.53 | jim | mkdir a ; cd a; touch 1; cd ..; ls a |
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| 22:13.04 | jim | ls: a/1: Permission denied |
| 22:13.44 | pipeline | what's your user account's umask set to? |
| 22:13.52 | directhex | interestingly, when _I_ do as i'm told by me, i get 3d acceleration on nvidia on amd64. if other people choose not to do as they're told by me to get the same result, that's also not my problem |
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| 22:14.22 | jim | oh, forgot to say: chmod -x a, after cd .. and before ls a |
| 22:14.34 | capu | Hi - can anyone tell me how to turn off X-Server, so i can install my graphics card driver? |
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| 22:14.38 | directhex | see, i love taking hours out of my sunday night (as well as every other day of the week bar friday and saturday) to give free tech support to people who sit there, refuse to follow instructions, then bitch & moan like little whiny bitches when their own bastardisations fail to function |
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| 22:14.53 | capu | I've done a net search on commands - but there's none available |
| 22:15.00 | directhex | dear sweet jesus this channel needs some kind of mandatory IQ test on entry |
| 22:15.03 | robin_sz | ok, so having installed qc-usb-source package, do I just do make all; make install; or is there a clever debian way I should do this? |
| 22:15.12 | Eulex | mtnman: lshw? do you mean lspci? if so, it doesn't list it... if you mean lspnp, it complains that /proc/bus/pnp is not available |
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| 22:15.26 | jim | capu: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 22:15.33 | jim | capu: man X |
| 22:15.50 | capu | ah thanks jim.. didn't know about man x either |
| 22:16.02 | mtnman | eulex: no i said lshw, and that is what i meant. |
| 22:16.05 | jim | makes a good read. and it's man X not man x |
| 22:16.07 | pwillam | jim: so you see, you ls cant stat the file, but gives message about the contents |
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| 22:16.21 | pwillam | jim: ...of the dir. |
| 22:16.38 | jim | pwillam: yes... that doesn't make sense... seems stupid, and like a bug |
| 22:16.43 | mtnman | eulex: you man need to apt-get install lshw |
| 22:17.04 | Eulex | mtnman: sorry, found it, bad search query in the apt repository... |
| 22:17.18 | mtnman | eulex: no worries. |
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| 22:17.40 | mtnman | eulex: dmesg may also enlighten with regard to devices. |
| 22:17.51 | jim | directhex: if that were the case the passing ones would increasingly get annoyed by the ones that don't pass and you have a smart person's club |
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| 22:18.30 | jim | pwillam: in particular, why is that useful? |
| 22:18.39 | pwillam | jim: behavior on linux is a bit silly. had no problems with ls as i sat before a hp-ux or a solaris ~2 years ago. |
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| 22:19.08 | jim | pwillam: does the x bit do the right thing there? |
| 22:19.15 | magyar | is there a way for totem to read .vbo files? |
| 22:19.15 | directhex | jim, sounds good. where do i sign? |
| 22:19.28 | magyar | sorry vob |
| 22:19.34 | pwillam | jim: dont know what its for. |
| 22:19.37 | mtnman | directhex: if you have to ask, you're not eligable. |
| 22:19.52 | directhex | !win mtnman |
| 22:19.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, mtnman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 22:20.30 | jim | so then I don't understand what you mean by your comparison... unless I missed something, you rendered your comparison meaningless |
| 22:20.42 | Guerin | mtnman: keep working on it, you might win a spelling contest. |
| 22:21.08 | mtnman | guerin: i never got the gold star on the spelling chart in elem. school. |
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| 22:21.37 | directhex | more and more i understand the complaints of elitism on #debian. the unreasonable expectation for people to do as they're told, that's elitism. |
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| 22:21.52 | pwillam | jim: for posix, a directory is a file in which the contents of the dir is listed, which means the filenames of the files in the dir. |
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| 22:22.09 | jim | pwillam: ok... |
| 22:22.14 | Guerin | mtnman: that much is clear. Don't worry, you're in good company. I'm reading a book by the apparently-very-well-educated Ewan McGregor and it's riddled with mistakes |
| 22:22.20 | jim | so far that's the same everywhere |
| 22:22.25 | mtnman | directhex: i can understand a person not wanting to do something they are told, but not when they ask what to do. |
| 22:22.35 | pwillam | jim: if you have an r on a dir one can fetch the filenames of the files of it |
| 22:22.50 | directhex | !tell mtnman about violent stupidity |
| 22:23.36 | pwillam | jim: but one needs the "x" to cd into it. |
| 22:23.44 | directhex | i need a crash helmet for #debian. |
| 22:23.55 | mtnman | dircthex: or an airbag |
| 22:24.07 | jim | pwillam: so you need to deny x and r in order to hide the contents of a dir |
| 22:24.45 | Guerin | mtnman: naw, the place is already full of hot aiir |
| 22:24.45 | pwillam | jim: if you have "w" one should be able to write-access the filelist which means one should be able to create/remove/rename files |
| 22:24.47 | directhex | sad thing is, the average visitor to #overclockers on quakenet tends to be less frustrating and more prone to taking good advice |
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| 22:24.52 | TuxMeister | hey guys |
| 22:24.59 | pwillam | jim: yes x and r |
| 22:25.02 | mtnman | guerin: then why not harness it for a useful purpose? |
| 22:25.11 | Guerin | mtnman: hah |
| 22:25.25 | TuxMeister | how can i change the extension of all the files in a folder without changing them one by one? |
| 22:25.34 | mtnman | guerin: an untapped energy source greater than solar |
| 22:25.36 | jim | so if you have x but not r, then you can cd in there but you still cannot ls |
| 22:25.39 | Guerin | TuxMeister: man rename |
| 22:25.49 | TuxMeister | ah, oks |
| 22:26.05 | jim | TuxMeister: you can use a for loop |
| 22:26.19 | jim | rename is probably easier if you understand regular expressions |
| 22:26.19 | Guerin | jim: there's a hard way to do everything. |
| 22:26.30 | mtnman | jim: but rename is already set up to do that. |
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| 22:27.00 | mtnman | jim: seems to be a perl script written by larry |
| 22:27.15 | elench | Q: how is reiserfs support under debian ? |
| 22:27.25 | streuner | elench: heh? |
| 22:27.27 | caphuso | rename is kinda scary |
| 22:27.29 | Guerin | elench: A: yes |
| 22:27.29 | jim | elench: it's fine! how are you? |
| 22:27.30 | streuner | !filesystems |
| 22:27.30 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
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| 22:28.12 | elench | Guerin: :P not yes or no. but how is it ? stable or badly supported like in most distros |
| 22:28.13 | mtnman | caphuso: only if you're scared of perl |
| 22:28.15 | caphuso | i've used rename 'exec "/bin/sh"' /dev/null to break out of a rbash environment once |
| 22:28.22 | pwillam | TuxMeister: use "find -name .... -exec mv {} $( echo {} | sed -e 's/old_ext$/new_ext' ) \;" |
| 22:28.31 | streuner | elench: thats what most people say about, if you want an easy shoot into your foot - just use it |
| 22:28.46 | TuxMeister | pwillam, thanks |
| 22:29.03 | zxc | can someone tell dpkg to tell me about woody -> sarge upgrade? I cant remember the keyword :( |
| 22:29.05 | elench | streuner: mm seems prefect to use under slackware which I have used number of times over the years. |
| 22:29.11 | jim | elench: but reiser has been known for occasional but total data loss; recovery difficult if at all possible |
| 22:29.13 | Guerin | elench: it's the same damn kernel, so probably the same as other distros. |
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| 22:29.15 | resiak | !tell zxc about woody->sarge |
| 22:29.26 | zxc | thanks! |
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| 22:29.39 | streuner | elench: *shrug* of course you could use it in debian as well |
| 22:29.42 | jim | elench: so, reiser ok if you are religious about keeping backups |
| 22:29.50 | mtnman | zxc: next time you can do it yourself: /msg dpkg woody -> sarge |
| 22:30.02 | myren | what utils are there for getting info about a library? |
| 22:30.10 | jim | nm |
| 22:30.10 | robin_sz | bah, I have now the quickcam module compiled and loaded ... but the usb bus doesnt seem to see it :( |
| 22:30.12 | elench | Guerin: ... not really ... re suse re rh/fedora .. patched kernels are not the same |
| 22:30.15 | jim | ls :) |
| 22:30.16 | mtnman | jim: so that would be an "organizing" religion? |
| 22:30.17 | zxc | mtnman, I was misstyping it :) |
| 22:30.30 | jim | or a protecting one |
| 22:30.39 | mtnman | jim: as opposed to an organized one. |
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| 22:30.52 | directhex | acxtually, most redhats are compiled with debug mode on resier, to slow it down artificially, so it's not a "same kernel" case |
| 22:30.52 | Jon | caphuso: please explain - that looks interesting |
| 22:30.59 | jim | if it's not organized, you could lose your data ;) |
| 22:31.01 | caphuso | Jon: explain what? |
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| 22:31.17 | pwillam | TuxMeister: if you have a simple filename pattern you can use "ls ... | while read a; do mv $a ${a*...}" instead of find -- with "*" being one of % %% # ## -- see man bash for details. |
| 22:31.18 | Jon | caphuso: the rename thing, 'exec "/bin/bash"' /dev/null |
| 22:31.20 | jim | mtnman: I didn't want to say pedantic |
| 22:31.23 | elench | jim: :P got HP tapes to do backups |
| 22:31.39 | caphuso | Jon: which part? |
| 22:31.53 | Jon | caphuso: well maybe it's because I don't know what rbash is, but I don't get any of it :) |
| 22:32.12 | pwillam | TuxMeister: but using find one can be very specific about what file-names/-types/-... to work on. And its recursive by default. |
| 22:32.12 | caphuso | exec "/bin/sh" is just how you start /bin/sh in perl |
| 22:32.15 | jim | elench: good :) you should backup your system weekly, and places like /var and /home daily |
| 22:32.17 | elench | :/ scrollkeeper is such a hog on my indy. |
| 22:32.29 | jim | assuming something of a production or developer environment |
| 22:32.29 | caphuso | Jon: man rbash |
| 22:32.34 | Eulex | hmm.... lshw doesn't see my cd/dvd drive... and I get nothing about it in dmesg... though I found a dmesg from an ubuntu-user of (almost) the same laptop on the net, which stated "Vendor: HL-DT-ST Model: RW/DVD GCC-4243N Rev: A102" etc, which I do not get :( |
| 22:32.35 | TuxMeister | pwillam, ok, got it |
| 22:32.36 | TuxMeister | thanks |
| 22:32.55 | Guerin | elench: my point is: find out which kernel module is in debian kernels and compare with other distros. If it's the same module, it'll be the same support. |
| 22:32.55 | caphuso | Jon: lame-ass attempt of restricting what a user can do. virtually impossible to set up properly |
| 22:33.03 | streuner | elench: why not just ask a debian related question vs. do statements? |
| 22:33.04 | mtnman | eulex: silly question: is the drive plugged in? |
| 22:33.21 | Eulex | mtnman: o'course |
| 22:33.33 | jim | Eulex: find that user, ask why he gets it (maybe driver exists? try lspci) |
| 22:33.35 | mtnman | eulex: checke the jumpers? |
| 22:33.38 | elench | o.O streuner and Guerin sleep together or something. |
| 22:33.47 | Jon | caphuso: hah I see; interesting stuff. |
| 22:33.48 | jim | wait no, lspci wont' do it |
| 22:33.48 | Jon | cheers |
| 22:33.57 | streuner | elench: no |
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| 22:34.15 | pwillam | TuxMeister: ohh, forgot the "; done" with the ls-loop above ;-) |
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| 22:34.26 | Eulex | mtnman: umh... jumpers on a laptop? |
| 22:34.27 | Guerin | elench: ...? |
| 22:34.36 | Eulex | jim: ok, I'll try that |
| 22:34.41 | mtnman | eulex: oh, didn't catch that it was a laptop. |
| 22:35.10 | mtnman | eulex: i have a similar problem with a drive i replaced in this laptop, i get in ide1 error at boot. |
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| 22:35.31 | Eulex | mtn: ok... will check... |
| 22:35.31 | mtnman | eules: i suspect the replacement drive may be faulty too. |
| 22:36.08 | mtnman | eulex: sorry, check _what_ ? |
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| 22:36.41 | jim | Eulex: the ubuntu user might have versions of things that are different... ok, I'm assuming the drive is visible enough for linux to at least comment on it, but now you're saying things that make me suspect that's not the case |
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| 22:37.35 | mtnman | jim: does bios need to recognize the drive in order for the kernel to see it? |
| 22:37.49 | jim | not sure |
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| 22:38.08 | mtnman | jim: i think i remember somewhere that it does not, but cannot be sure. |
| 22:38.10 | jim | I guess it would help if linux uses the bios to get a list of drives |
| 22:38.13 | nyterukh | hi |
| 22:39.00 | Eulex | jim: I'll try rebooting to windows to check that the drive is actually working... |
| 22:39.18 | jim | Eulex: that would at least rule out total failure |
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| 22:39.31 | mtnman | eulex: i was going to suggest knoppix... |
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| 22:39.43 | magyar | i am trying to playback an avi file in totem, i get picture but no sound. What is the problem? |
| 22:40.23 | streuner | magyar: what happens if you just use xine? |
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| 22:40.51 | jim | first make sure sound works under other conditions (play that SillySounds/english.au or something) |
| 22:41.04 | magyar | streuner: is there a way to determine which codecs are being used in a movie file? |
| 22:41.41 | streuner | magyar: play it with xine - running from a shell |
| 22:41.50 | j_k | magyar: did you try file? somtimes it tells such things. |
| 22:42.28 | simy | can sombody direct me to a url that can take me step by step through how to get my sound working on my laptop i know its neomagic256av mn256 driver i think it is, i just dont know how to do it... |
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| 22:43.19 | zinx | simy: choose the 'neomagic' driver during X installation |
| 22:43.37 | Eulex | simy: alsa-project.org? though it seems to be down now... |
| 22:43.41 | simy | ok so i should dpkg-reconfiure xserver? |
| 22:43.44 | Eulex | zinx: he said sound card |
| 22:43.54 | Eulex | umh, he/she |
| 22:43.57 | simy | helix:) |
| 22:44.01 | simy | he :) |
| 22:44.19 | mtnman | simy: the hardware howto at tldp.org will tell you the correct module you need for your card. |
| 22:44.23 | simy | so alsa-project? |
| 22:44.37 | simy | i know which one it is, i just dont remember how to make tell the computer which one it is... |
| 22:44.38 | magyar | streuner:j_k: ac3 audio |
| 22:44.43 | Eulex | simy: yeah |
| 22:44.46 | mtnman | simy: modconf |
| 22:45.01 | streuner | magyar: AC 3 audio is usually well supported... |
| 22:45.06 | mtnman | simy: or vi /etc/modules |
| 22:45.15 | streuner | magyar: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:45.23 | streuner | magyar: and install codecs |
| 22:45.29 | simy | i think i added it to madules... let me make sure tho |
| 22:45.32 | simy | er i mean modules |
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| 22:46.13 | xsquared | streuner: is their a program that converts windoze wma/wmv to mpeg and ogg? |
| 22:46.13 | streuner | magyar: just configure it in xine |
| 22:46.14 | simy | yeah i put snd-nm256 on there (as per a pages instructions) |
| 22:46.27 | Virtual | if I do echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward will the 1 still be in that file after restart because after each restart it seems to change back to 0, should I edit it with an editor to 1 and save it ? |
| 22:46.46 | mtnman | simy: have you rebooted since then? |
| 22:47.33 | mtnman | virtual: no you need to edit /etc/network/options |
| 22:48.01 | Virtual | mtnman: and set ip_forward=yes ? |
| 22:48.03 | simy | mtnman : yeah i did |
| 22:48.09 | mtnman | virtual: bingo |
| 22:48.17 | simy | hold on my computers being all laggy... |
| 22:48.24 | mtnman | simy: lsmod to see if it is loaded. |
| 22:48.36 | Virtual | thank you |
| 22:48.41 | simy | this window is the only think thats responding i think.... |
| 22:48.51 | mtnman | virtual: very welcome |
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| 22:49.26 | simy | sound says nm356_audio and sound core says audio |
| 22:49.39 | simy | er nm it says sound |
| 22:49.40 | mtnman | simy: run a mixer app to check levels. |
| 22:49.54 | simy | i have, i put them all the way up... |
| 22:50.04 | magyar | streuner:xine freezes up with "There is no mrl." |
| 22:50.07 | simy | noatun when i play it will just stop befor eit even plays... |
| 22:50.24 | simy | i used xmix... (although its not my favorite one i forgot what the other ones are... |
| 22:50.26 | mtnman | simy: install saytime and run it to test. |
| 22:51.40 | simy | mtnman : i ran it at the command line but it didnt do anything... |
| 22:51.57 | simy | mtnman: ive got to go for a little bit too which makes this even worse... |
| 22:51.58 | FieldySnuts | badgerwangtek |
| 22:52.11 | robin_sz | FieldySnuts: badger badger badger |
| 22:52.16 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 22:52.30 | mtnman | simy: worse for whom? |
| 22:52.53 | simy | mtnman: for me, lol |
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| 22:53.18 | simy | i thought it was somthing stupid and wouldnt take long them my computer basicly all but stops responding, lol./.... ill be back in a little bit..... thanks fory our help so far... |
| 22:53.19 | mtnman | simy: oh yeah, i forgot you were the center of the universe :D |
| 22:53.26 | robin_sz | can someone suggest a nice, lightweight CMS ?? |
| 22:53.37 | drac | CMS? |
| 22:53.41 | simy | mtnman: your teacher should hav etold you that in middle school ;-) |
| 22:53.53 | FieldySnuts | content management system, which immediately rules out light |
| 22:53.59 | robin_sz | drac: content management system |
| 22:53.59 | mtnman | simy: i never took astronomy |
| 22:54.25 | nyterukh | does debian come with openldap? or do i have to download and install it |
| 22:54.31 | robin_sz | FieldySnuts: well, mambo looked promising but its well, lets just say I wanna see someting else :) |
| 22:54.36 | mtnman | simy: besides that, at the time, they called it "junior high school" |
| 22:54.52 | shingouz | nyterukh: apt-cache search ldap might help |
| 22:54.55 | nyterukh | trying to set up samba as a server..and the guide i was using say s i need t |
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| 22:55.13 | nyterukh | tried apt-get install...and it couldnt find it |
| 22:55.25 | shingouz | !tell nyterukh about search |
| 22:55.30 | FieldySnuts | i tried abunch of cms stuff for work, never was satisfied (not even close) |
| 22:55.36 | robin_sz | nyterukh: apt-get install slapd |
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| 22:56.14 | nyterukh | ahh thanks robinsaz..that helps.. |
| 22:56.22 | robin_sz | so filing to sugest a nice CMS ... what about a nice CRM solution? |
| 22:56.31 | FieldySnuts | more acronyms yay |
| 22:56.46 | nyterukh | lol |
| 22:56.48 | shingouz | robin_sz: is that like YABA? |
| 22:56.51 | pipeline | CRM costs money. |
| 22:56.59 | pipeline | If you don't have money, well, you're screwed. |
| 22:57.08 | mtnman | fieldysnuts: cms and crm are abbreviations, not acronyms. |
| 22:57.08 | robin_sz | pipeline: XRMS, SugarCRM? all free |
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| 22:57.22 | sussudio | !fruitsmite mtnman |
| 22:57.27 | robin_sz | YABA? |
| 22:57.29 | FieldySnuts | righto. |
| 22:57.39 | shingouz | Yet Antoher Bloody Acronym |
| 22:57.46 | shingouz | another even |
| 22:57.53 | robin_sz | its a TLA |
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| 22:58.14 | robin_sz | well, CRM is a TLA anyway |
| 22:58.22 | robin_sz | YABA is an ETLA |
| 22:58.27 | audius | I'm using DeMuDi from Agnula, and my USB Network Adapter isn't working, does anybody have any ideas on how to make it work? |
| 22:58.32 | idnar | WTFBBQ |
| 22:58.44 | nyterukh | get the drivers from the maker? |
| 22:58.55 | audius | Does SMC have Linux drivers? |
| 22:59.08 | mtnman | audius: check the hardware howto at tldp.org |
| 22:59.11 | elench | Anyone know of a Indy (XZ) driver ? |
| 22:59.23 | shingouz | audius: lets put that another way around. does linux have drivers for SMC. most likely yes |
| 22:59.31 | pipeline | elench: There are no worthwhile graphics drivers for any free operating system on any SGI. |
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| 22:59.40 | pipeline | elench: If you want your graphics to be usably fast, you'll have to install IRIX. |
| 22:59.48 | petemc | audius: use lspci to get the chipset, a smc card i had was realtek |
| 22:59.53 | FieldySnuts | irix sucks |
| 23:00.11 | elench | pipeline: :P I have 5.3 and thats just the same ... execpt for the graphics part you are right |
| 23:00.16 | mtnman | petemc: does lspci work for usb devices? |
| 23:00.19 | elench | FieldySnuts: you are clueless and it shows. |
| 23:00.31 | petemc | mtnman: lsusb definately does |
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| 23:00.35 | hikenboot_ | hello debian guys just wanted to make sure I have debian kernel 2.6.11-1-386 will this work on amd athlon as well as intel? |
| 23:00.39 | nyterukh | ok..how can i tell how much disk space i have |
| 23:00.45 | petemc | df -h |
| 23:00.46 | drac | nyterukh: df -h |
| 23:00.47 | elench | nyterukh: df - |
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| 23:00.51 | FieldySnuts | elench: aww, hit a sore spot? ;P |
| 23:00.54 | mtnman | petemc: the reason i asked is because he was talking about a usb adapter. |
| 23:00.56 | audius | well the USB adapter is made by a company called SMC, it worked when I was using Fedora Core so I know there is drivers for it, I'm just not sure where to get them |
| 23:01.13 | mtnman | audius: run modconf |
| 23:01.17 | elench | FieldySnuts: nope irix is far more developed then any linux or BSD around so ... |
| 23:01.30 | audius | mtnman: what will modconf do for me? |
| 23:01.35 | mtnman | audius: or check the hardware howto which will tellyou which module to use. |
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| 23:01.44 | petemc | mtnman: oh, i just switched to this window.. |
| 23:01.49 | drac | audius: apt-cache show modconf |
| 23:01.54 | xsquared | gtk sucks |
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| 23:02.10 | andax | i have two linux boxes, at different providers, the box at provider A has several ipv4 addresses. I could make good use of these addresses at the other box at provider B. how can I make these ipv4 addresses from provider A appear as local interfaces on the box at provider B? any good documentation, or google keywords for doing this? |
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| 23:02.11 | FieldySnuts | other widget sets that eat up 9x more memory suck more |
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| 23:02.16 | dan2 | xsquared: go back you motif drone |
| 23:02.26 | shingouz | audius: what you need to figure out is what the modules name is the smc thingie runs. then just modconf it into the kernel |
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| 23:02.31 | xsquared | dan2: ? |
| 23:02.34 | dan2 | FieldySnuts: java swing is the number 1 contender |
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| 23:02.42 | FieldySnuts | but it's java so it doesn't count |
| 23:02.49 | dan2 | yes it does |
| 23:02.55 | FieldySnuts | have fun believing that |
| 23:03.02 | audius | when I was installing it asked me to set up my network card, but it told me the previous config would be erased, does anybody know how I'd get back to that part? it was something like debethconf or something, i'm not sure |
| 23:03.04 | dan2 | FieldySnuts: swing is implemented on awt, which is implemented on Xlib |
| 23:03.05 | FieldySnuts | k |
| 23:03.46 | elench | I guess FieldySnuts is one of those guys that goes by the theroy "ITS LINUX ITS GREAT" |
| 23:03.46 | bucky | !badgerwang FieldySnuts |
| 23:03.48 | shingouz | audius: what nic do you have? |
| 23:04.02 | FieldySnuts | trollnight apparently |
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| 23:04.09 | dan2 | elench: Linux is great, fuck off troll |
| 23:04.13 | FieldySnuts | LOL |
| 23:04.18 | elench | heh . |
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| 23:04.24 | xsquared | XD |
| 23:04.30 | elench | clueless tards |
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| 23:04.33 | audius | shingouz, it's a USB Network Adapter, I'm not sure what you mean by nic |
| 23:04.35 | nF3r | does anyone know what is "manual package selection" under "Choose software to install" in Debian ? |
| 23:04.45 | hikenboot_ | I ave debian kernel 2.6.11-1-386 will this work on amd athlon as well as intel? I am switching motherboards and cpus and memory,,,,, |
| 23:04.52 | spowers | i believe that launches aptitude |
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| 23:04.57 | spowers | (nf3r) |
| 23:05.04 | andax | hikenboot_: it will |
| 23:05.08 | FieldySnuts | he calls us that and he's from canada. sure. |
| 23:05.09 | hikenboot_ | thanks andax |
| 23:05.18 | nF3r | whats aptitude |
| 23:05.21 | mtnman | audius: i suggested two ways to tackle your problem. run modconf, or check the hardware howto at tldp.org to find out which modules you need. |
| 23:05.33 | spowers | aptitude is a program you can use to manage the software packages on your debian box |
| 23:05.37 | nF3r | do i need it though ? |
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| 23:05.49 | drac | hikenboot_: 2.6.11-1-k7 for Athlon, but -386 works too. |
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| 23:06.06 | spowers | you probably do not need to use it, unless you want to browse the package list |
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| 23:06.39 | shingouz | audius: Network Interface Card. if it is usb i think you could try the usbether (or sometihng in that style, not sure as i do nto have usb nics here) |
| 23:06.40 | nF3r | oh, what webserver installed if i check "web server" under "choose software to install" ? |
| 23:06.44 | hikenboot_ | so the only thing i have to worry about is the damn nic card being detected by linux...abit does not make a supported driver so i am a bit nervous that it may not be usable without compiling a special module...any way to determine if a built in nic card is supported by linux? I have an ABIT NF7 motherboard |
| 23:06.46 | spowers | if you just want to get going, you can use the task selector |
| 23:06.51 | robin_sz | aptitude? and does it play nicely with the other methods of selecting packages? |
| 23:06.56 | spowers | nF3r: probably apache 2. |
| 23:06.57 | directhex | hikenboot_, i told you HOURS ago |
| 23:07.16 | directhex | hikenboot_, the nf7 uses nforce2 networking. forcedeth driver. part of the kernel since 2.4.23 |
| 23:07.31 | nF3r | thats all the selection under web server is apache 2 ? |
| 23:07.32 | spowers | also php4 and libwww-perl |
| 23:07.37 | audius | mtnman: modconf, command not found |
| 23:07.41 | magyar | how can i get "dvm" sound codec to work in zine? |
| 23:07.44 | hikenboot_ | thanks for the reconfirmation |
| 23:07.48 | mtnman | audius: apt-get install modconf |
| 23:07.50 | hikenboot_ | going to swap it out now |
| 23:07.57 | spowers | and a number of other support packages |
| 23:08.08 | spowers | a log analyzer (analog) and support libraries |
| 23:08.18 | spowers | (for the software, not for tech support) |
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| 23:08.38 | audius | the computer won't go online, so how is apt-get going to help me? |
| 23:08.59 | mtnman | audius: well, if you had cd's... |
| 23:09.15 | nF3r | what are the DNS server packages if i select it ? |
| 23:09.47 | mtnman | audius: in that case, i suggest you go to tldp.org and look up your usb device in the hardware howto to see if it is supported and if so, which modules to load. |
| 23:09.47 | nF3r | and the file server if i select that too.. |
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| 23:10.58 | deadcat | what do i need to config postfix so it will send emails from my local machine to a remote server? my machine is not suppose to accept mail but ok to send out |
| 23:11.06 | spowers | off the top of my head i don't know. if you use aptitude to install packages, you will see a list of exactly what is to be installed before you select a particular task |
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| 23:11.53 | spowers | if you select tasks and then select web server it will show you the list of things it's going to install |
| 23:11.56 | Phated | !date FieldySnuts |
| 23:12.05 | FieldySnuts | no. |
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| 23:12.14 | Peterken | Hello, i fucked up my X, i knew in Woody i could start a rescue, but i can't do that in sarge as i see in the commands list? Am i looking wrong? How can i start a rescue? |
| 23:12.44 | scar_ | how can I see who is currently connected through my proftpd? |
| 23:12.50 | simy | ok can somodody help recap with my audio" |
| 23:12.50 | deadcat | !drxx Peterken |
| 23:12.51 | dpkg | Peterken: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 23:12.51 | spowers | scar_: does ftpwho work? |
| 23:12.52 | audius | is there a quick command I can enter to see what kernel I'm running? |
| 23:12.55 | mtnman | peterken: what do you mean by "rescue"? why not just use a console? |
| 23:12.58 | spowers | audius: uname -a |
| 23:13.02 | simy | im still having problems, noatun just stops playing before it even starts |
| 23:13.04 | useruser | what's all this about sid being unstable? |
| 23:13.29 | deadcat | useruser: nothing if you're not using sid |
| 23:13.33 | Peterken | mtnman, deadcat: X starts automatically, and when started computer doesn't react anymore |
| 23:13.36 | scar_ | spowers, yes thank you!! |
| 23:13.37 | trave11er | deadcat: look at the relayhost configuration option |
| 23:13.41 | shingouz | useruser: it is something that you can read about in /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:13.58 | mtnman | peterken: ctl-alt-f1 will give you a console |
| 23:14.01 | deadcat | trave11er: thanks. i did a dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 23:14.13 | Peterken | mtnman: normally yes, but now it's not reacting :-) |
| 23:14.16 | Peterken | that my problem |
| 23:14.24 | mtnman | peterken: can you try booting with a floppy? |
| 23:14.38 | spowers | Peterken: do you know how to append arguments to the kernel when booting? you can append "single" |
| 23:14.41 | spowers | to get into single user mode |
| 23:14.43 | trave11er | deadcat: hm, i don't know whether you can do it this way |
| 23:14.43 | Peterken | and with the woody cdrom you could do a rescue and then i came into commandline |
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| 23:14.51 | spowers | and it won't start X |
| 23:14.52 | deadcat | trave11er: k. let me edit it |
| 23:14.59 | trave11er | deadcat: i just have relayhost = blah in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
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| 23:15.19 | deadcat | trave11er: do i set to localhost? |
| 23:15.37 | trave11er | deadcat: no, to the remote host through which you want the mail relayed |
| 23:15.57 | deadcat | trave11er: i think my machine should be the relay machine. |
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| 23:16.16 | trave11er | deadcat: then you don't need to set up anything |
| 23:16.41 | Peterken | spowers: no i don't know howto do that. How can i do that in combination of GRUB? |
| 23:16.46 | trave11er | deadcat: i think |
| 23:16.52 | deadcat | trave11er: it aint sending things out. just doing localhost, i have mydestination = localhost, localhost.localdomain |
| 23:16.52 | mtnman | peterken: if that machine is on a network, you could try sshing into it. |
| 23:16.52 | nF3r | i can either select "desktop enviroment, web server and file server" and not have to select "manual package selection" does that make sense ? |
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| 23:17.31 | Peterken | hmz :( at this time it is not, untill thursday (student, some parts are already moved to my home) |
| 23:17.33 | trave11er | deadcat: yeah, but mydestination only matters for incoming mail |
| 23:17.36 | Peterken | so no network |
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| 23:18.01 | deadcat | trave11er: oh. then i dont know why i cant send things out. |
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| 23:18.13 | mtnman | peterken: you could also boot into rescue mode with the woody cd. |
| 23:18.35 | spowers | Peterken: in GRUB, at boot time, it will normally show you a list of boot items. if you hit 'e' on one of them, it will show you what it's going to boot into, and you can hit 'e' again to edit the boot arguments |
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| 23:18.51 | spowers | and then you just type 'single' at the end |
| 23:18.56 | spowers | hit enter, and type 'b' to boot it |
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| 23:19.04 | trave11er | deadcat: what do you see in /var/log/mail.log |
| 23:19.05 | trave11er | ? |
| 23:19.07 | simy | help i apparently cant play audio files, and i dont know which direction to look, i think my drivers work, but im not sure.... |
| 23:19.07 | spowers | this assumes you can actually reboot and stuff |
| 23:19.18 | Peterken | tnx spowers, going to try that |
| 23:19.21 | trave11er | deadcat: and how are you trying to send? |
| 23:19.27 | resiak | !audio test |
| 23:19.30 | resiak | :( |
| 23:19.30 | deadcat | trave11er: send via mutt |
| 23:19.31 | nF3r | whats the DNS server selection contains in Debian ? |
| 23:19.49 | trave11er | deadcat: and mutt is set up to send to the server on localhost? |
| 23:20.02 | spowers | Peterken: well also, there should be a boot time item that says (recovery mode) next to it |
| 23:20.09 | deadcat | trave11er: thats the default i believe |
| 23:20.12 | spowers | if you've got the default debian grub setup |
| 23:20.13 | duglas | Whats the recommended pkg to poll the pop3 server at my ISP? |
| 23:20.13 | shingouz | nF3r: huh? you looking for /etc/resolv.conf perhaps? |
| 23:20.24 | Peterken | yes spowers, but that one starts also X :( |
| 23:20.24 | trave11er | deadcat: then there should be something useful in the logs |
| 23:20.25 | spowers | if you use that, all you have to do is arrow down to recovery mode and pick that one |
| 23:20.28 | mtnman | duglas: fetchmail |
| 23:20.35 | duglas | tks |
| 23:20.36 | nF3r | no im under Debian install |
| 23:20.44 | mtnman | welcome |
| 23:20.44 | deadcat | trave11er: k let me take a long look at it |
| 23:21.02 | nF3r | do i need DNS if i want to host my site ? |
| 23:21.02 | shingouz | nF3r: you need to put in the DNS servers you use unless you let dhcp take care of it |
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| 23:21.11 | spowers | well, i suggest once you get a command prompt, you can either fix X or turn off XDM with dpkg -reconfigure xdm |
| 23:21.19 | audius | there isn't much for USB on tldp.org |
| 23:21.22 | shingouz | nF3r: jsut install first, lets worry about the hosting stuff later |
| 23:21.28 | mtnman | !xdm |
| 23:21.28 | dpkg | xdm is probably the X windows login screen you might see every time you boot up. If you don't like it and want to just boot into console mode, you can read /usr/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ for a full explanation, or just 'dpkg --purge xdm', or 'apt-get remove xdm' (yes it's safe to remove task-x-*) |
| 23:21.30 | nF3r | i have dsl router.. using dhcp |
| 23:21.56 | shingouz | nF3r: dhcp it is and do not worry about the dns yet |
| 23:22.00 | robin_sz | bah, surely hotplug should be reporting new devices and its attempts to find drivers in /var/log/messages? |
| 23:22.03 | robin_sz | no? |
| 23:22.46 | nF3r | i want to know should i select or unselect DNS server under "choose software to intall:" |
| 23:23.02 | myren | whats the util /win 13 |
| 23:23.05 | myren | fsck, sorry |
| 23:23.16 | spowers | nF3r: unless you want to run bind, don't select it |
| 23:23.17 | shingouz | i do not remember what the usb ethernet module is called. the smc usb ether should work with that one. usb ether sucks in anycase, better get a reac nic though audius |
| 23:23.22 | spowers | if you want to run bind, install it later |
| 23:23.28 | FieldySnuts | definately get a real NIC |
| 23:23.31 | robin_sz | nF3r: well, do you want to install a DNS server? |
| 23:23.32 | spowers | you can always come back to this screen by running 'tasksel' |
| 23:23.32 | shingouz | spowers: do not confuse him, he is just installing |
| 23:23.46 | nF3r | oh ok ill leave it unselect |
| 23:23.55 | spowers | like i said, it's easy to come back |
| 23:23.57 | Peterken | bleh, with single he still starts X |
| 23:24.10 | spowers | Peterken: ok, try using init=/bin/bash instead of single |
| 23:24.22 | Peterken | ok spowers |
| 23:24.26 | shingouz | nF3r: oh, you are trying to figure out what to install. no dns. just install desktop environment and be done with it for now. you cna always install more stuff later |
| 23:24.34 | andax | init=/bin/bash :)))))))) |
| 23:25.16 | scar_ | spowers, is there any nice script to create great statistics and ascii pics when ftp users log in? i love those pics :) |
| 23:25.20 | spowers | Peterken: init=/bin/bash will dump you at a bash prompt with a read only filesystem. you will need to use mount -o remount,rw / to edit config files and do pretty much anything. when you're done, do mount -o remount,ro / ; sync and ctrl-alt-del to reboot |
| 23:25.33 | spowers | scar_: a lot of ftp daemons will use /etc/issue |
| 23:25.51 | spowers | you can use figlet to generate a nice ascii logo |
| 23:26.03 | scar_ | spowers, well I can configure it the way I want it ... uses /etc/motd atm afaik |
| 23:26.08 | spowers | tetradraw will help if you want to make an ANSI logo, but those don't work on a lot of ftp clients and terminals |
| 23:26.11 | spowers | oh |
| 23:26.14 | spowers | yeah, i meant motd |
| 23:26.15 | spowers | sorry |
| 23:26.21 | Peterken | thanx spowers |
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| 23:27.35 | robin_sz | sigh .. usb. why are you so pesky? |
| 23:27.37 | spowers | Peterken: you can look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log to find out what X choked on |
| 23:28.02 | spowers | i think that's the file name.. it's X-something something. anyway, the errors that make the server die will be marked with an (EE) |
| 23:28.25 | Peterken | thanx spowers, you have been very helpfull |
| 23:28.38 | andax | i have two linux boxes, at different providers, the box at provider A has several ipv4 addresses. I could make good use of these addresses at the other box at provider B. how can I make these ipv4 addresses from provider A appear as local interfaces on the box at provider B? any good documentation, or google keywords for doing this? |
| 23:28.40 | spowers | thanks |
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| 23:29.59 | robin_sz | OK, I have the 'videodev' and 'quickcam' modules modprobed, my camera plugged in, but motion cannot see any device on /dev/video0 ... any more clues ???? |
| 23:30.11 | robin_sz | lsusb shows noting :( |
| 23:30.12 | spowers | andax: the problem with that is that IP networks can't really do that without resorting to dirty tricks like tunnelling or vpn |
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| 23:30.34 | andax | spowers: so i should start reading about tunneling? |
| 23:30.40 | spowers | the simplest solution of course would be to move box B to provider A |
| 23:30.50 | spowers | but of course that is not likely to be possible |
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| 23:31.38 | andax | so what I need is called "tunneling?" |
| 23:31.47 | spowers | it would be a pretty complicated setup |
| 23:31.48 | spowers | and very slow |
| 23:31.51 | robin_sz | vpn maybe |
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| 23:32.02 | robin_sz | look at opnevpn |
| 23:32.16 | spowers | in effect, any traffic going to IP address foo at provider A would have to go between provider A and provider B to get to box B |
| 23:32.26 | magyar | need help with playback of .AVI files. I get no sound. SOS |
| 23:32.35 | spowers | it would make things slow and run up your bandwidth bill if you have one |
| 23:32.42 | spowers | magyar: do you get sound in anything else? |
| 23:32.59 | magyar | spowers: yesi do |
| 23:33.10 | spowers | maybe you don't have the right audio codec installed. what player are you using? |
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| 23:33.50 | deadcat | trave11er: working now. it was internet with smarthost and use my isp. fuckers blocked me from telnet'ing to port 25 |
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| 23:34.00 | Unified | i have a problem with alsa/etch. although it seems that the driver is loaded correctly, i can't get any output at all |
| 23:34.05 | magyar | spowers: i tried both: xine and totem. From dpkg |
| 23:34.08 | Unified | volumes are at normal level |
| 23:34.20 | Unified | this happend as i updated alsa to 1.0.9a |
| 23:34.25 | magyar | spowers: also i have the win32codec installed |
| 23:34.35 | andax | spowers thanks, i'll read about it |
| 23:34.39 | jim | Unified: unmuted too? |
| 23:35.04 | Unified | jim yes |
| 23:35.13 | spowers | magyar: maybe mplayer would work better? i've used mplayer for a long time and have been able to play most non-DRM files |
| 23:36.01 | spowers | dpkg: tell magyar about marillat |
| 23:36.04 | deadcat | how do i make checkinstall build the deb but not install it? |
| 23:36.24 | michal_ | anyone here use amavisd-new with spamassassin for spam filtering? |
| 23:36.43 | jim | CaT[tm]: maybe, try linux26 at boot: prompt, make sure it sees your drives,,, if not, there's an experimental installer based on 2.6.11 that might work, but there are certain things the installer doesn't do yet, and that you have to do manually while in the installer... |
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| 23:36.59 | surrounder | shalom! |
| 23:37.09 | michal_ | I'm having trouble figuring out how and if I can enable the addition of X-Spam-Report headers to emails |
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| 23:38.27 | jim | michal_: doesn't spamassassin do that? |
| 23:38.28 | FieldySnuts | ski? |
| 23:38.38 | michal_ | jim: no it doesn't |
| 23:38.43 | FieldySnuts | yes, it does. |
| 23:39.00 | trave11er | deadcat: hehe |
| 23:39.26 | deadcat | now how do i make checkinstall build the .deb but not install it? |
| 23:39.34 | michal_ | jim: in older versions of amavis there used to be a $sa_spam_report_header setting |
| 23:40.08 | CaT[tm] | jim: manual bits don't scare. linux26 you say? ok... |
| 23:40.34 | jim | I get headers X-Spam-Checker-Version, X-Spam-Level, X-Spam-Status |
| 23:40.40 | jim | not -Report |
| 23:41.03 | jim | what's in the -Report? |
| 23:41.18 | Virtual | :) |
| 23:41.26 | magyar | spower: thanks, it also plays nice from "noatun" |
| 23:41.52 | jim | CaT[tm]: I tried to locate the installer but having trouble |
| 23:41.54 | magyar | spower: kind of odd that id doesn't work with xine |
| 23:41.58 | michal_ | jim: jim: have a look at http://cornerhost.net/wiki/moin.cgi/FAQ/SpamAssassin |
| 23:42.06 | michal_ | jim: ther'es an example at the bottom |
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| 23:42.36 | jim | holy shit, that thing is huge |
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| 23:43.32 | jim | trave11er, ping |
| 23:43.38 | trave11er | jim: pong |
| 23:43.48 | michal_ | jim: you wouldn't happen to know how to increase the weight of any of the tags would you? |
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| 23:44.03 | jim | heya... could you repeat where is the 2.6.11 experimental image? |
| 23:44.16 | michal_ | jim: for example I'd basically like to quarantine anything that matches DRUGS_ERECTILE |
| 23:44.18 | trave11er | jim: mine is at www.wooyd.org/d-i |
| 23:44.29 | trave11er | jim: some other dude has built a businesscard image |
| 23:44.37 | theb0y | hello, anyone familiar with SMS and FDU messages? i need a way to decode FDU messages to ASCII.. anyone can help me? I cant read the message :s |
| 23:44.46 | trave11er | jim: check out debian-boot messages for today/yesterday |
| 23:44.52 | Guerin | michal_: add a custom rule assiging 10 points to anything which matches that |
| 23:44.54 | jim | trave11er: oh, cool; will do |
| 23:45.40 | trave11er | michal_: put the line |
| 23:45.49 | trave11er | michal_: score TAG 10.00 |
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| 23:46.00 | trave11er | into your ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs |
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| 23:46.50 | michal_ | so if i want this to worj through amavis i'm dealing with ~amavis/.spammasassin/user_prefs right? |
| 23:47.11 | magyar | spower: i installed mplayer but there is no application launcher in KDE |
| 23:47.11 | jim | trave11er: are the logs of the irc meetings of the d-i team available? |
| 23:47.19 | trave11er | michal_: no idea |
| 23:47.19 | michal_ | well i've got stuff considered as spam when it reaches 5.. so i guess i can tag it 5 right? |
| 23:47.25 | trave11er | jim: yes |
| 23:47.28 | jim | cool |
| 23:47.57 | trave11er | jim: http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerMeetings |
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| 23:48.08 | jim | thank you :) |
| 23:48.18 | tiger1020x | hello all |
| 23:48.23 | michal_ | my biggest problem is that because there is no X-Spam-Report I don't know what most of the tags are without doing an extremely time intensive manual lookup |
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| 23:48.35 | jim | michal_: some factors subtract from the score |
| 23:48.48 | trave11er | jim: np |
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| 23:50.10 | tiger1020x | i upgraded my kernel and now on boot my machine complains about missing modules that were compiled into the kernel..how may i remedy this? |
| 23:50.42 | mwilson | tiger1020x: Why are you trying to load them if they're built-in now? |
| 23:50.43 | jim | tiger1020x: you first need to determine the exact problem |
| 23:50.55 | tiger1020x | i think its modconf |
| 23:51.03 | tiger1020x | the kernel is the way i want it.. |
| 23:51.09 | jim | tiger1020x: does the machine boot? |
| 23:51.12 | mwilson | What would modconf have to do with it? |
| 23:51.17 | Guerin | tiger1020x: just ignore it. |
| 23:51.22 | tiger1020x | i just don't like all the ugly onboot messages |
| 23:51.31 | Guerin | tiger1020x: they're warnings: consider yourself warned. |
| 23:51.39 | Guerin | tiger1020x: turn your monitor off during boot |
| 23:51.46 | jim | then run modconf and determine if what you're thinking is what's happening |
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| 23:52.16 | jim | that way you get to use your own mind :) |
| 23:53.23 | tiger1020x | can i delete and then touch some files and do a depmod ? |
| 23:53.56 | tiger1020x | it's really annoyting because its a lot of missing modules complaint |
| 23:54.41 | pwillam | jim: you seem to be right, that the permission thing doesnt work this way [i expected]. i've tried it on my box. ...and it doesnt behave the way i was used to (and as one can read in "info chmod", ext2 docs, posix etc). but i suppose its because of linux/ my kernel(-version)/ my debian-system rather than this is how things should be. |
| 23:54.47 | mwilson | tiger1020x: You really have no idea of what you're doing, do you? |
| 23:54.58 | sussudio | houston, we have a fucktard |
| 23:55.03 | jim | pwillam: didn't work the way I expected either |
| 23:55.08 | tiger1020x | you're so novel aren't you mwilson |
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| 23:55.19 | Guerin | tiger1020x: rreally, if you care that much about not seeing ugly errors, use a bootsplasher like splashy |
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| 23:55.42 | tiger1020x | i do .. |
| 23:55.51 | jim | tiger1020x: have you tried verifying your own hypothesis yet? |
| 23:56.04 | mwilson | tiger1020x: If you did, you wouldn't have come up with a nonsense statement like that one. |
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| 23:56.31 | tiger1020x | whats with this place anymore.. |
| 23:56.34 | scar_ | can I kick a certain ftp user through cmd line? if yes, how? proftpd |
| 23:56.39 | pwillam | jim: i'm not really into kernel things, so i don't know if its by purpose (of the kernel hackers) or if it can be regarded as a bug. |
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| 23:57.21 | jim | well like I said I'm not really sure if it's a bug... but I did verify as correct most of the points you brought up |
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| 23:57.42 | jim | so x on a dir means ability to cd into it |
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| 23:57.54 | jim | and r on a dir means ability to see file list |
| 23:58.04 | jim | I had it backwards |
| 23:58.17 | jim | or sideways; I didn' consider cdability |
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| 23:59.05 | jim | tiger1020x: have you tried verifying your own hypothesis yet? |
| 23:59.47 | scar_ | spowers, how can I kick a ftp user that is currently connected? |
| 23:59.47 | tiger1020x | no i have not.. i am worried about fiding a remedy..not childish flame wars |
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