| 00:00.03 | *** join/#debian NoGodNoMaster1 (~nogodnoma@dsl-213-023-214-113.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:00.10 | *** join/#debian NoGodNoMaster (~nogodnoma@dsl-213-023-214-113.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:00.15 | FieldySnuts | um |
| 00:00.30 | jim | whether I'm flaming you is something that you'd have to determine... |
| 00:01.26 | jim | better look carefully at my posts to you (did you notice that while the others are insulting you, calling you a fucktard, I'm encouraging you to think?) |
| 00:01.35 | pwillam | jim: sad to find out that things -- once puzzled out, even comparing different unices at that time -- don't behave anymore the way i thought i knew it since then. :-< |
| 00:01.41 | michal_ | there doesn't seem to be any spamassassin tags for email that is trying to sell you software :P |
| 00:01.51 | *** join/#debian Tallken (invalid@60-23.dial.nortenet.pt) |
| 00:02.07 | jim | michal_: you'll have to create your own rule for that then |
| 00:02.20 | magyar | anyone using xine player? |
| 00:02.51 | michal_ | jim: it's a bit odd as it's one of the common types of spam but doesn't get picked up unless it's on some block list |
| 00:02.56 | beardy | magyar: Someone does. Please ask your question. |
| 00:03.58 | robin_sz | magyar: yes, lots of people |
| 00:04.05 | jim | michal_: many common forms of spam don't have their own tag... besides I'm pretty sure they group things by matchability not type |
| 00:04.24 | magyar | I have an avi file that playsback with sound on "mplayer" and "noatun" in KDE, I would like to find out why xine wont playback the file with sound? |
| 00:04.42 | Guerin | magyar: xine is stupid? |
| 00:04.46 | *** join/#debian w1gg3r (~bart@c-24-0-54-176.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 00:04.53 | jim | like strings that are close but different and should be categorized the same |
| 00:04.56 | scar_ | can I kick a ftp user who is currently connected? |
| 00:05.05 | pwillam | Guerin: i'll vote for that one too :-) |
| 00:05.07 | michal_ | jim: well given that they can pick up stuff generally to do with selling drugs i sort of expected something similar with selling software |
| 00:05.20 | magyar | Guerin: you suggest I shoudn't use xine? |
| 00:05.23 | robin_sz | OK, so why does USB seem so .. dead on this debain box??usb-ohci is loaded .. but nothing happens when I plug a device in, nothing. |
| 00:05.41 | robin_sz | hotplug is running .. |
| 00:05.45 | Guerin | magyar: if it doesn't work, use mplayer. I've always found mplayer to be technically better than xine. |
| 00:05.45 | robin_sz | bah. |
| 00:05.50 | jim | sorry it failed your expectation. the good thing is there's sufficient generality for you to deal with it how you want to |
| 00:06.07 | zulkifar | Hello. I'm going to start programming authentication modules for linux machines which are part of my internet cafe. Can anybody advice manual on how to start? (I'm a programmer of automated information systems with 8-years experience). Never programmed for linux before. |
| 00:06.33 | jim | zulkifar: what languages are among your experience |
| 00:06.37 | robin_sz | zulkifar: dont. that wheel has already been invented. several times |
| 00:06.49 | magyar | Guerin: I installed mplayer and there is no GUI button in KDE, than when I start mplayer through console it pops up with all kinds of errors |
| 00:06.55 | *** part/#debian audius (~nocando@adsl-68-74-64-171.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 00:07.04 | Guerin | magyar: gmplayer? |
| 00:07.11 | jim | robin_sz: he hasn't said what he needs exactly yet :P |
| 00:07.27 | CaT[tm] | jim: all set. thanks for the clue. |
| 00:07.38 | zulkifar | jim: turbo pascal, object pascal, C. |
| 00:07.41 | jim | CaT[tm]: it worked? :) |
| 00:07.47 | CaT[tm] | jim: yeah. :) |
| 00:07.50 | robin_sz | jim: true .. but so many versions of that wheel exist from ypbind onwards, it is unlikely that any programming is needed |
| 00:07.54 | magyar | Guerin:"SSE2 supported but disabled" "New_face failed subfont.ttf" how is that superior |
| 00:07.54 | michal_ | jim: why should you be sorry? and it hasn't failed my expectations.. it's exceeded them. this is just one thing that seemed simple that isn't included by default. |
| 00:07.56 | zulkifar | robin_sz: sorry, what do you mean? |
| 00:07.58 | jim | CaT[tm]: very good :) |
| 00:08.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 799] by debhelper |
| 00:08.04 | CaT[tm] | jim: yeah 8) |
| 00:08.14 | w1gg3r | hey yall, I just installed linux Debian/kde by apt using x-window-system xfonts and kde and my fonts look good, but they are kinda too big - |
| 00:08.36 | Guerin | magyar: ignore them. They're just warnings. Use -silent or something if you care so much - what's superior about it is that it plays media better. |
| 00:08.47 | robin_sz | zulkifar: authnetication using everyting from radius to ypbind has already been done in Linux .. its all been done and is included ... why write new stuff? |
| 00:08.48 | zulkifar | robin_sz: just pam is the first which cames to my mind when I think abount authemtication customization :) |
| 00:08.50 | resiak | w1gg3r: So go into kcontrol and smallify them! |
| 00:08.59 | jim | michal_: becasue your tone sounds complainy :) and you did say "I would have expected ... " |
| 00:09.24 | *** join/#debian cp|remote (none@c-67-176-168-234.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:09.28 | *** join/#debian _joey (~joey@60-240-221-24.tpgi.com.au) |
| 00:09.36 | jim | I know, you need some time to vent |
| 00:09.38 | magyar | Guerin: thank you. I will try the player and you are right with xine I am experiencing a lot of issues |
| 00:09.45 | *** part/#debian cp|remote (none@c-67-176-168-234.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:10.06 | robin_sz | zulkifar: I would be very suprised if you cant get ypbind/radius/pam/kereberos to do what you need already |
| 00:10.12 | michal_ | jim: it's not really venting.. I guess I felt I needed to justify my expectation of the feature to you because you didn't seem to have expected it like I did |
| 00:10.15 | w1gg3r | resiak: maybe i need to install some fonts for kde too? |
| 00:10.37 | robin_sz | now, someone tell me whats wrong with my USB for fscks sake ;) |
| 00:10.46 | *** part/#debian Tallken (invalid@60-23.dial.nortenet.pt) |
| 00:10.47 | resiak | w1gg3r: *shrug* |
| 00:11.02 | jim | michal_: the other comment I forgot to make before, is why not create and maintain patterns that match the "selling software" thing? |
| 00:11.06 | *** join/#debian Xgates (~Xgates@xgates.user) |
| 00:11.21 | Xgates | say in the kernel under --> 'Security options --->' [*] Enable different security models & '<*> Default Linux Capabilities', makes a more secure kernel? |
| 00:11.26 | Xgates | or does anything else have to be installed or configured for this? |
| 00:11.34 | Guerin | dpkg, warnings is <reply> Yerp, lots of software throws warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings. Don't be scared - informational output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 00:11.35 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 00:11.37 | resiak | Xgates: SELinux |
| 00:11.52 | resiak | Xgates: (for instance) |
| 00:11.54 | Xgates | resiak: ahh so no need for a desktop then yeah? |
| 00:12.07 | pwillam | w1gg3r: you can change the font sizes, you can use 100dpi fonts instead of 74dpi, and you can give a [higher] dpi setting in X-server config-file. |
| 00:12.25 | pwillam | w1gg3r: choose you weapon ;-) |
| 00:12.32 | resiak | Xgates: ... |
| 00:12.34 | michal_ | jim: i may do that. but i'll have to wait and see the sort of emails that make it through. i'm guessing it's too hard to do generally because even though there are dozens of tags related to drugs and treatments there are none related to software and prices. clearly there must be complications :P |
| 00:12.37 | jim | Xgates: well from waht I understand you have to rebuild a whole buncha stuff to get selinux extensions to work correctly |
| 00:12.40 | *** join/#debian zeini (~zeini@82.159.41.128) |
| 00:12.46 | magyar | Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied - what does this stand for? |
| 00:12.53 | Xgates | jim: hmm ok |
| 00:13.09 | Guerin | magyar: it means your user can't access /dev/rtc or somesuch |
| 00:13.16 | jim | michal_: you might start by creating a folder for the mails you expect to get |
| 00:13.23 | michal_ | http://spamassassin.apache.org/tests_3_0_x.html doesn't seem complete |
| 00:13.29 | *** join/#debian AceLan (~AceLan@linux3.cc.ntu.edu.tw) |
| 00:13.44 | *** part/#debian zeini (~zeini@82.159.41.128) |
| 00:13.55 | magyar | Guerin: is this important for mplayer to function properly? |
| 00:13.56 | pwillam | w1gg3r: .oO( ...or was it a _lower_ dpi setting for X? hmm ) |
| 00:14.05 | michal_ | even though the tag DRUGS_ERECTILE seems to exist in the debian packaged version it's not listed on that page |
| 00:14.05 | Guerin | magyar: don't believe so. |
| 00:14.07 | jim | michal_, I don't like those emails either, but software is too close to what I do, so I'm somewhat reluctant to filter them |
| 00:14.21 | jim | having said that, they're -really- annoying |
| 00:14.30 | michal_ | jim: i know what you mean. it's the same here. we're an IT company :P |
| 00:14.47 | zulkifar | robin_sz: ok, then I'll describe which I need. I have 30 machines and more then 1000 clients in mysql database. Currently all this stuff works on Windows and uses special automated system for internet cafes (Called "ASV"). Since there are things like CEDEGA and AcceleratedX I'd like to move to linux and the first task is to create linux-client for ASV. Its windows version substitutes msgina.dll, shows many windows where user select taxes and tarifs and do act |
| 00:15.14 | jim | michal_: that's why I'd prefer to reject spam by whether the spammer is lying in the headers |
| 00:15.21 | michal_ | jim: if you ever come across any info on how to enable those monster X-Spam-Report headers and you see me in here let me know :P |
| 00:15.26 | resiak | zulkifar: What is msgina.dll |
| 00:15.33 | jim | ok, I'll look into that |
| 00:15.33 | scar_ | is there a way to see the processes and child processes and their use of total cpu usage? it works with ps afaik but I cant remember exactly what parameters to use |
| 00:15.45 | magyar | Guerin: one last question. I get "SSE2 support disabled" do i need to enable it on Intel CPU P4? |
| 00:15.51 | jim | but don't wait for me; I need to be flaky at this time |
| 00:16.03 | beardy | scar_: man ps ? |
| 00:16.19 | w1gg3r | resiak: i dont think I saw a spot in dpkg-reconfigure for changing fonts - do you think i should edit the XF86Config file after I install the fonts? |
| 00:16.20 | zulkifar | robin_sz: linux equivalent should control user sessions taking controlling date from ASV-server via UDP; ASV-server in its turn takes data from mysql-database where all user accounts are stored. So, we can have actually single user account which maps to all ASV-accounts. |
| 00:16.56 | Guerin | magyar: you'd probably have to rebuild mplayer to do that. It's a cpu extension - mplayer likely wasn't built with it because not all cpus support it. |
| 00:17.12 | lef | my clock is goin mad here. How can I re-set my timezone? (I am already running ntpdate and ntp) |
| 00:17.16 | *** join/#debian Marijn (marijn@227-239-90.adsl.terra.cl) |
| 00:17.28 | zulkifar | resiak: is what shows you 'C-A-D' dialog and where you enter user/pass/domain |
| 00:17.48 | dondelelcaro | lef: the timezone is just an env. variable. TZ="America/New_York" date; FE |
| 00:17.54 | magyar | Guerin: "Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX SSE" "SSE2 supported but disabled" |
| 00:18.04 | lef | thank you dondelelcaro |
| 00:18.19 | resiak | zulkifar: See, you should have said that in the first place. I know nothing, mind |
| 00:18.21 | trave11er | lef: man tzconfig |
| 00:18.31 | lef | nice one trave11er :-) |
| 00:18.55 | zulkifar | resiak: i c |
| 00:19.00 | Guerin | magyar: right. Most modern cpus support sse and mmx, but not all support sse2, so it was left out in the interests of compatibility. Your p4 probably does support it, but my p3-866 doesn't for instance. |
| 00:19.35 | *** join/#debian mrplum (~m@24-52-166-190.lndnnh.adelphia.net) |
| 00:19.44 | magyar | Guerin: thanks a bunch |
| 00:20.39 | michal_ | jim: well it's not $sa_spam_report_header .. amavisd-neew wouldn't even start if i tried to set that :/ |
| 00:20.53 | lef | trave11er, tzconfig solved it :-) great, thanks |
| 00:21.15 | zulkifar | robin_sz: just trying to understand how can I use existing modules here... |
| 00:22.08 | jim | michal_: I get way wayyy too much spam at this point... I gotta get the bayes filter working |
| 00:23.10 | michal_ | jim: found the info in the changelog.. they disabled the feature in amavisd-new-20030314 because the header was "too long and intrusive" which is fair enough.. but I just want it temporarily till I get everything running reasonably well |
| 00:23.28 | michal_ | jim: seems like it can be uncommented in the amavisd script |
| 00:23.29 | *** join/#debian goedson (~goedson@BHE052247.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) |
| 00:23.42 | *** join/#debian cp|remote (none@c-67-176-168-234.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:23.48 | *** join/#debian udo (~udo@217.124.53.92) |
| 00:23.58 | *** part/#debian cp|remote (none@c-67-176-168-234.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:24.15 | jim | michal_: I imagine you could try creating a diff between versions and make sure you do the whole thing |
| 00:24.30 | jim | or if not create, just get |
| 00:24.39 | pwillam | w1gg3r: edit the X config file for the font paths, or the dpi setting of the display ; or install xfonts-75dpi[-transcoded] instead of xfonts-100dpi[-transcoded] for getting 'smaller' looking fonts. |
| 00:24.49 | *** join/#debian udo (~udo@217.124.53.92) |
| 00:26.39 | pwillam | zulkifar: you have to work yourself into pam, cause thats where its going to end anyway. |
| 00:26.44 | agabus | thankyou to whoever made the 'msg dpkg java' semi-tutorials. i now have java up and running perfectly installed from a .deb :) |
| 00:27.42 | udo | msg dpkg java |
| 00:27.58 | Chewie[] | Is there a way to start an application on a specific virtual desktop in Fluxbox? Could it be DISPLAY=":0.n"? |
| 00:27.59 | pwillam | zulkifar: you maybe have to write an extra pam-module. if i resemble right, there is a stub module as example included. |
| 00:28.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 790] by debhelper |
| 00:28.07 | Nurbs | udo: /msg ... |
| 00:29.00 | udo | Nurbs: Thanks, |
| 00:29.14 | udo | I did it already |
| 00:29.34 | pwillam | zulkifar: one can let one pam-module hand over credentials and user-data to other modules in the row. |
| 00:30.29 | *** join/#debian sorush20 (~sadaf@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 00:31.09 | sorush20 | hi |
| 00:31.14 | sorush20 | Guys... |
| 00:31.14 | pwillam | zulkifar: one sets the order and behaviour of the pam-modules seperately for authentication, accounting etc. |
| 00:31.30 | *** part/#debian elkid (~leo@elkid.user) |
| 00:32.08 | magyar | I am trying to playback movie file in mplayer, but when I switch to fullscreen it still displays only a small screen within a black fullscreen |
| 00:32.38 | pwillam | zulkifar: you can specify these settings as general or detailed as you need; and you can configure it for each service seperately. |
| 00:32.42 | *** join/#debian claudio (~claudio@200.234.114.79) |
| 00:32.50 | zulkifar | pwillam: so, there can be several modules if I understand you right? |
| 00:33.00 | jim | I just realized I don't know what a amavisd is |
| 00:33.51 | Guerin | magyar: use -vo xv and/or -zoom |
| 00:34.03 | initech | Guerin: use -vo aa |
| 00:34.04 | *** join/#debian roddy (~roddy@r200-40-233-188-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 00:34.23 | Guerin | initech: depends what turns you on. |
| 00:34.31 | agabus | when gnome 2.10 comes available for my debian testing, will the apt-get cause much upset. i know its designed to be as simple as possible, but will i have to edit any configurations or risk losing gnome totally? |
| 00:34.31 | zulkifar | pwillam: and its interesting, can module stay resident after successful authentication to kill user session after a time limit? |
| 00:34.45 | pwillam | zulkifar: get yourself some pam documentation (maybe some manpages are already there). but for now first have a deep look into /etc/pam.d/* on your debian/linux-box. |
| 00:34.58 | Guerin | agabus: probably not. |
| 00:35.00 | zulkifar | pwillam: yes, sure |
| 00:35.08 | *** join/#debian lur (~josh@ool-4351d2d3.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:35.16 | lur | hi |
| 00:35.26 | jim | sharp left turn: is there a pam tutorial that covers things like how to set up basic authentication as well as add (existing but) additional forms of authentication? |
| 00:35.54 | lur | how do I use apt-get to install the latest stable kernel? |
| 00:36.05 | pwillam | zulkifar: only allowing special times is done by modules in the accounting row. there are already modules for this. |
| 00:36.09 | agabus | Guerin - hope so. could someone please link me to the "bugzilla" for debian please |
| 00:36.09 | magyar | Guerin: still small |
| 00:36.17 | jim | lur: find the package name of the latest stable kernel, install that |
| 00:36.19 | Guerin | lur: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-yourarch |
| 00:36.27 | Guerin | agabus: bugs.debian.org |
| 00:36.34 | lur | GUERIN |
| 00:36.38 | Guerin | magyar: what mplayer line did you use? |
| 00:36.38 | lur | what is my arch? |
| 00:36.49 | Guerin | lur: how the fuck should I know? |
| 00:36.51 | jim | you have two, one for each foot |
| 00:36.58 | lur | what is an arch? |
| 00:37.01 | JarJarBinks | can anybody tell me their sources.list entry, which makes mplayer apt-get"able", al those marillat entries seem to not work for me (anymore) |
| 00:37.02 | pwillam | zulkifar: stay on, i'll look where my pam documentation is. |
| 00:37.02 | jim | don't let them fall! |
| 00:37.06 | Guerin | lur: just use 386 |
| 00:37.17 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: pebcak. |
| 00:37.20 | *** join/#debian Cyda (~cyda@12-216-198-128.client.mchsi.com) |
| 00:37.24 | *** join/#debian amphi (~amphi@amphi.user) |
| 00:37.26 | JarJarBinks | Guerin: ? |
| 00:37.39 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: the marillat links DO work. |
| 00:37.55 | JarJarBinks | Guerin: can you give me your link then? |
| 00:38.02 | magyar | Guerin: "mplayer -xy 2" "mplayer -vo xv" "mplayer -zoom" |
| 00:38.26 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: just get the one off the marillat page. That's all I'm using. |
| 00:38.46 | *** join/#debian K_Dallas (~Korbain@66.11.181.10) |
| 00:38.47 | jim | lur: an arch is an architecture, a partial or complete description of a machine and possibly also some common interfaces |
| 00:38.48 | Guerin | magyar: i use mplayer -vo xv -fs -zoom filename, typically. |
| 00:38.57 | lur | so jim |
| 00:39.04 | simy | can sombody help me, my sound dosnt quite work at all, i think i have the driver installed but im not sure, .... |
| 00:39.04 | JarJarBinks | seems it's been relocated a lot of times, I at least the entries which worked a two month ago, does not work anymore |
| 00:39.05 | lur | a pentium is i386? |
| 00:39.31 | simy | when i type lsmod i see nm256_audio listed 2 times once for sound another for ac97 and sound has sound listed.... |
| 00:39.40 | shingouz | lur: no, it is a 586 or P1 but the 386 runs on it |
| 00:39.41 | jim | i386 is the name of an arch that should work with any intel (some exceptions apply) |
| 00:39.50 | simy | the sound says its been used... |
| 00:40.14 | *** join/#debian Virtual (~Virtual@82.77.180.238) |
| 00:40.19 | simy | er sound core says sound in the coloum next to that... |
| 00:40.20 | lur | so I want kernel-image-2.6.12.i386? |
| 00:40.21 | magyar | Guerin: that did it |
| 00:40.23 | *** join/#debian timt (~timt@203-96-223-48.megasurfer.pcconnect.co.nz) |
| 00:40.24 | magyar | thx |
| 00:40.27 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: EWORKSFORME |
| 00:40.33 | Virtual | Can anybody tell me a good cellphone manager for Linux ? |
| 00:40.56 | JarJarBinks | Guerin: nice congrats ... I'm happy for you |
| 00:41.08 | Guerin | lur: no, you want kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 00:41.10 | jim | 12-i386 I think, or 12-386 |
| 00:41.15 | lur | oh |
| 00:41.16 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: what line doesn't work? |
| 00:41.20 | *** part/#debian spiorf (spiorf@host185-162.pool8252.interbusiness.it) |
| 00:41.34 | trave11er | Virtual: aren't they model-dependent? |
| 00:41.49 | Virtual | trave11er: not sure, never used any on linux before |
| 00:42.29 | trave11er | Virtual: well, i've heard of gnokii, which is nokia manager, and used siefs, which allows to mount siemens phones as a filesystem |
| 00:42.39 | JarJarBinks | Guerin: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ xxx main where xxx have been unstable stable testing sid etch, none worked |
| 00:42.50 | trave11er | Virtual: some probably can be interfaced via usb-storage |
| 00:43.13 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: that's precisely what I have |
| 00:43.26 | Virtual | trave11er: well, I managed to setup my infrared adaptor for my pc and want to access the phone via infrared |
| 00:43.32 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main works perfectly. |
| 00:43.32 | JarJarBinks | Guerin: :) hmm ... weird |
| 00:43.39 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: what error? |
| 00:43.47 | jim | if you're interested in controlling what version you get, you should try to specify the whole version... not doing so could end up with you booting a kernel that at best doesn't boot (making it hard to run linux) or at worst causing extensive damage to all your HD partitions (but! this is the worst of the worst, extreme case, very very rare, but you need to be aware and make sure you don't end up with -that-... do a little research, prot |
| 00:43.47 | jim | ect yourself) |
| 00:43.50 | JarJarBinks | does not connect to the server |
| 00:43.52 | JarJarBinks | timeout |
| 00:43.56 | trave11er | Virtual: the only thing i can say is YMMV |
| 00:43.58 | trave11er | :-) |
| 00:44.10 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: bad connectivity. Got someplace to proxy through? |
| 00:44.37 | initech | is there a doc out there that outlines how to fix a sarge installation that thinks it is "testing"? i installed using the first cd's ... |
| 00:44.55 | JarJarBinks | Guerin: yes, I'll try from my uni |
| 00:44.59 | JarJarBinks | thanks Guerin |
| 00:45.09 | *** join/#debian cfan (~deepan@203.212.229.87) |
| 00:45.10 | jim | initech: would there be any problem if you were to wipe and reinstall? |
| 00:45.13 | initech | sources.list is fixed of course, but if I use reportbug, it says apt prefers testing for some reason |
| 00:45.20 | Virtual | trave11er: YMMV ? |
| 00:45.26 | initech | jim: man I don't feel like doing that |
| 00:45.31 | trave11er | Virtual: your mileage may vary |
| 00:45.39 | JarJarBinks | Guerin: erhhmm .. it works :) |
| 00:45.49 | Guerin | ... |
| 00:46.05 | pwillam | zulkifar: well i've found the pam documentation a little bit confusing/misleading/unspecific/illogic on _how__v-e-r-y__e-x-a-c-t-l-y_ the options for the modules are meant to be used in advanced ways. But nevertheless... |
| 00:46.13 | jim | initech: reason I'm bring it up, is downgrading is not supported by debian or especially debian developers |
| 00:46.26 | trave11er | Virtual: i'd just throw phone model and linux into google and see what it comes up with |
| 00:46.27 | *** join/#debian rpmx (~rpmx@200.121.252.213) |
| 00:46.35 | rpmx | Hi o/ |
| 00:46.36 | initech | jim: no downgrading involved. the initial sarge iso were broken |
| 00:46.36 | jim | it might work in simple single-package downgrades... |
| 00:46.51 | jim | ran apt-get update |
| 00:46.53 | jim | ? |
| 00:47.30 | Guerin | initech: what does apt-cache policy; say? And do you have an /etc/apt/preferences file? |
| 00:47.31 | cfan | hello i share the same home partition for sarge and fc3.. now i changed the useid in fc3 to the one in sarge to avoid problems.. now i am not able to login to gnome at all.. . the error is cannot create directory named .gconf.. permission denied |
| 00:47.31 | jim | initech: in that case, reinstall is really overkill |
| 00:48.15 | pwillam | zulkifar: You'll maybe want to start with man pam(7) [not pam(5)] for a short but already detailed overview/explanation. |
| 00:48.19 | jim | cfan: debian side? |
| 00:48.35 | cfan | no it is in fc3 |
| 00:48.41 | initech | Guerin: i have no preferences file, apt-cache policy reflects reality, which is "stable". for some reason reportbug thinks i'm on testing. weird. |
| 00:48.47 | trave11er | initech: maybe you have an /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/preferences, mentioning testing? |
| 00:48.56 | Guerin | initech: file a bug? :) |
| 00:49.12 | initech | trave11er: grep -ir testing /etc/apt/* doesn't return anything |
| 00:49.13 | zulkifar | pwillam: ok, I'll start, thank you! |
| 00:49.49 | jim | Guerin: he's trying to fix his filing of bugs so he can file a bug! |
| 00:49.51 | pwillam | zulkifar: Then you'll most probably want to install the libpam-doc package and have a look into /usr/share/doc/libpam-doc/ or point your browser to localhost/doc/libpam-doc/html/ ... |
| 00:50.08 | rpmx | I install and compile kernel to server vpn poptop in Sarge |
| 00:50.09 | trave11er | initech: "use the source, luke" :-) |
| 00:50.15 | *** join/#debian narg (~narg@dsl-63-173-190-204.tcq.net) |
| 00:50.17 | rpmx | but compress not working |
| 00:50.18 | Guerin | !qotd47 |
| 00:50.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd47 is <g4lt> okay, in a fit of complete irony, reportbug is puking on upgrade |
| 00:50.28 | rpmx | How I solution this problem ?? |
| 00:50.49 | *** join/#debian jetdotnet (~jetdotnet@adsl-64-219-216-41.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 00:51.15 | eeg3 | SACRE BLEU |
| 00:51.44 | *** join/#debian jharrison (~jharrison@24.244.138.224) |
| 00:52.02 | *** part/#debian goedson (~goedson@BHE052247.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) |
| 00:52.06 | jetdotnet | unholy red |
| 00:52.39 | initech | i guess I'll just "strace -e open reportbug" and find what file that little bitch is opening |
| 00:52.41 | rpmx | I install and compile kernel to server vpn poptop in Sarge |
| 00:52.42 | rpmx | but compress not working |
| 00:52.42 | rpmx | How I solution this problem ?? |
| 00:53.14 | *** join/#debian K_Dallas (~Korbain@66.11.181.10) |
| 00:53.25 | jetdotnet | reportbug.conf? |
| 00:53.38 | jetdotnet | in /etc? |
| 00:54.09 | trave11er | rpmx: contact the patch author/maintainer, perhaps? |
| 00:54.32 | *** join/#debian FieldySnuts (uYY3DsRBg2@fieldysnuts.user) |
| 00:54.56 | simy | my /dev/dsp is busy, still could that be why i have no sound? |
| 00:55.14 | jim | rpmx: your repeating would be better in the channel if all of it were on one irc line |
| 00:55.28 | rpmx | trave11er, Can I compile manual kernel and fix this problem o need patch ? |
| 00:55.40 | trave11er | rpmx: i have no idea |
| 00:55.56 | k-man_ | anyone know of a command line tool that can watch a web page for changes and report the changes somehow? |
| 00:56.02 | simy | how can i free up a resource/device? specifcly for sound? |
| 00:56.15 | FieldySnuts | lsof /dev/dsp and kill whatever is using it |
| 00:56.22 | *** join/#debian jasoncohen (~test@pcp0011382713pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 00:56.24 | jim | rpmx: additionally, you should find out what compression is not working and why |
| 00:56.25 | simy | ok thanks..... |
| 00:56.31 | trave11er | rpmx: hm, i assumed it was a kernel patch for some reason |
| 00:56.48 | *** join/#debian mrplum (~m@24-52-166-190.lndnnh.adelphia.net) |
| 00:56.49 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: info lsof |
| 00:56.54 | dpkg | lsof: (List open files.), section utils, is standard. Version: 4.75.dfsg.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 331 kB, Installed size: 536 kB |
| 00:56.57 | trave11er | rpmx: maybe you should ask on some poptop related mailing list then |
| 00:57.20 | jotido | hi |
| 00:57.44 | rpmx | ok, thank |
| 00:58.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 781] by debhelper |
| 00:58.32 | *** join/#debian agney-home (~agney@agney.user) |
| 00:59.17 | *** join/#debian jasoncohen (~test@pcp0011382713pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 00:59.47 | *** join/#debian ace2001ac (~acharles@c-24-16-40-37.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 01:00.04 | *** join/#debian IRCMonkey (1000@200.234.23.166) |
| 01:01.08 | *** join/#debian DaGo (~ieee@85-48-70-108.mad1.adsl.uni2.es) |
| 01:04.26 | *** join/#debian jasoncohen (~test@pcp0011382713pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 01:04.35 | *** join/#debian cfan (~root@203.212.229.87) |
| 01:04.54 | *** join/#debian p_willam (~patrick@p5486C2E7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:05.00 | simy | ok now i got another problem, i can apparently play wav files but i apparently cant use noatun, it has somthing associated with it called artsd i guess, and it locks up my /dev/dsp |
| 01:05.17 | p_willam | zulkifar: got everything? ;-) |
| 01:05.29 | *** join/#debian Rucas (Rucas@adsl-209-30-68-165.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 01:06.05 | *** part/#debian cfan (~root@203.212.229.87) |
| 01:06.31 | *** join/#debian gin_ (gin@200.92.246.250) |
| 01:06.39 | *** join/#debian jasoncohen (~test@pcp0011382713pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 01:08.03 | *** join/#debian caravena (~caravena@200.72.179.30) |
| 01:08.47 | *** join/#debian joeytwiddle (~joeybot@82-33-185-76.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 01:09.08 | *** join/#debian entheon (~vm@c-65-96-232-156.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 01:09.43 | *** join/#debian Virtual (~Virtual@82.77.180.238) |
| 01:10.10 | *** part/#debian FieldySnuts (uYY3DsRBg2@fieldysnuts.user) |
| 01:11.03 | *** join/#debian marcin (~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl) |
| 01:13.52 | *** join/#debian send (~WinNT@221.216.167.160) |
| 01:14.05 | *** join/#debian nanok (~nanok@82.76.176.90) |
| 01:15.59 | *** part/#debian Ahil (~ahil@vpn-pppoe-213-240-243-214.megalan.bg) |
| 01:16.21 | *** join/#debian cristian (~cristian@200.7.26.119) |
| 01:16.36 | *** part/#debian cristian (~cristian@200.7.26.119) |
| 01:17.11 | *** join/#debian xammu (uefizew@p54B3BEA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:17.44 | *** join/#debian walton (~cbrian@modemcable010.37-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 01:20.18 | *** join/#debian m_ (~m@24-52-166-190.lndnnh.adelphia.net) |
| 01:20.29 | *** join/#debian zulkifar (foobar@62.84.110.35) |
| 01:20.58 | zulkifar | p_willam: reading Linux-PAM guide. Well, good start, things become clear :) |
| 01:21.39 | zulkifar | p_willam: I think I'll take some session' and auth' modules source as examples |
| 01:22.19 | zulkifar | p_willam: and I hope xdm is proper pam-application :) |
| 01:23.18 | p_willam | zulkifar: i'm not sure if i was still connected when i last wrote some lines. you got all info about where to find the guides and to look further on the net? |
| 01:23.32 | *** part/#debian sched (~sched@201.14.205.109) |
| 01:24.28 | jim | are there skeleton pam modules for those things, that all they do is log they were used and how? |
| 01:24.41 | *** join/#debian bdarrow (~b0rked@ool-45785c00.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:24.48 | *** join/#debian alfeyboticario (ircap751@239.Red-81-37-52.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 01:24.52 | zulkifar | p_willam: oops, no |
| 01:25.13 | zulkifar | p_willam: the last was about pam(7) |
| 01:25.14 | *** join/#debian _meppl_ (mephisto@p54AADAC3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:25.52 | *** join/#debian hikenboot (~hikenboot@h-66-167-173-100.cmbrmaor.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 01:26.02 | p_willam | zulkifar: the respective application just use some pam-code and are linked against the library. so then they are "pam-aware" or "support pam". all the rest is done by pam-lib and the modules; application has no hassle. |
| 01:26.25 | trave11er | zulkifar: did you try just running apt-cache search cafe? |
| 01:26.35 | zulkifar | trave11er: no :) |
| 01:26.38 | bdarrow | So the kernel 2.6 or better supports the athlon 64 extensions, assumably packages must be built against this kernel to take advantage of these optimizations, does debian intend to add a new tree for this architecture? (even though it is not urgent since the a64 is compatible w/ binaries compiled for x86 32bit systems)?? |
| 01:26.40 | trave11er | zulkifar: it appears that at least one application is packaged |
| 01:26.43 | *** join/#debian carles (carles@220.84.59.121) |
| 01:26.54 | trave11er | zeiberbude - program for administering internet cafes. (server) |
| 01:26.56 | hikenboot | hello guys thank you for your assistance...I just kept the same video card and everything including the nic worked perfectly with the 2.6.11-1-386 kernel! |
| 01:27.13 | trave11er | zbdesk - program for administering internet cafes. (client) |
| 01:27.44 | *** join/#debian rrt (~jeff@205.208.150.92) |
| 01:28.11 | rrt | is there a package to install java in sarge? i use firefox |
| 01:28.14 | zulkifar | trave11er: yeah, installing it now... |
| 01:28.14 | jim | hikenboot: you'[re the one that replaced motheboard, ram? |
| 01:28.16 | trave11er | even though i would be cautious about using anything named zeiberbude :-) |
| 01:28.32 | bdarrow | rrt: I think there's a problem with the licensing so you have to download the JRE from sun |
| 01:28.32 | *** part/#debian alfeyboticario (ircap751@239.Red-81-37-52.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 01:28.36 | bdarrow | rrt: as I recall. |
| 01:28.51 | rrt | ok thanks |
| 01:29.00 | trave11er | rrt: /msg dpkg install java |
| 01:29.24 | *** join/#debian Darh (~Darh@248-189.dyn-fa.pool.ew.hu) |
| 01:29.24 | jim | rrt: you have to make a debian package from the java .bin file, something accomplished by a script in the package "java-package" |
| 01:29.25 | zulkifar | trave11er: but it somehow got into sarge :) |
| 01:30.00 | jim | then you install the package you will have just produced |
| 01:30.12 | p_willam | zulkifar: Then you'll most probably want to install the libpam-doc package and have a look into /usr/share/doc/libpam-doc/ or point your browser to "localhost/doc/libpam-doc/html/" ... |
| 01:30.24 | p_willam | zulkifar: ...for the three guides (admins', module writers' and app-developers'). In the admin guide you'll see some 30 modules described ready to use. In the module writers' you'll find an example module (chapter 6). |
| 01:30.34 | p_willam | zulkifar: many pam modules are in their own separate debian packages, so you'll probably have to install some extra. |
| 01:30.44 | p_willam | zulkifar: but apart from these ready-to-run modules, there is source for many additional ones out there. I suggest not missing to do a heavy net search for other modules, before you start coding. |
| 01:30.49 | *** join/#debian wornaki (~wornaki@168.226.188.223) |
| 01:31.10 | p_willam | zulkifar: (pasted again from above) |
| 01:31.12 | hikenboot | yes i replaced the motherboard ram and pcu |
| 01:31.14 | zulkifar | p_willam: thanks |
| 01:32.13 | hikenboot | and now i got a system that rocks |
| 01:32.20 | p_willam | zulkifar: u have a link to this "ASV" software? |
| 01:32.26 | hikenboot | i think the driver only works in 10/100 not a gb |
| 01:32.57 | zulkifar | p_willam: no, its not free :( |
| 01:33.20 | zulkifar | p_willam: but I have friendly connection with its creator |
| 01:33.23 | *** join/#debian prodope (~what@CPEd2cd2cd2cd2c-CM0012c90d1b7a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 01:33.35 | *** join/#debian blujay (~blujay@adsl-68-95-177-106.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 01:33.42 | p_willam | zulkifar: i didn't meant to any binaries, but to some info site. |
| 01:33.55 | *** join/#debian Mez (~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 01:34.09 | *** join/#debian ariel (~ariel@host88.200-117-220.telecom.net.ar) |
| 01:34.16 | Mez | can anyone tell me how i make it so when I run dch it puts in the right name and Email ddress? |
| 01:34.36 | resiak | What is dch? |
| 01:35.05 | Mez | a short name for debchange |
| 01:35.12 | zulkifar | p_willam: he doesn't code for Linux, but is going to provide client/server protocol descrtiption if I demonstrate working example of client software which could: 1) block station (end session) 2) unblock it (start session) |
| 01:35.18 | *** join/#debian Dan_ (~Dan@d226-46-144.home.cgocable.net) |
| 01:35.18 | walton | anyone knows why postgresl and mysql want sendmail? Apparently I get this annonying pending message with sendmail in the ifup-post of networking... |
| 01:35.28 | zulkifar | p_willam: astalavista.ru (on russian only though) |
| 01:36.22 | *** part/#debian rrt (~jeff@205.208.150.92) |
| 01:36.54 | *** join/#debian themolester (themoleste@30-54.34-65.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 01:36.56 | resiak | Mez: You'll want to set up your mta, probably |
| 01:37.00 | *** join/#debian renato` (nobody@200-158-247-115.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 01:37.32 | renato` | hey, is there someway to configure the usb modem speedtouch 330 in debian sarge without having to build the kernel? |
| 01:37.36 | zulkifar | p_willam: he simply don't know how access control could be nice (talking about pam) (actually ASV client not stable on Windows, its a real pain to have this all working fine, almost after every user session we have to perform holy :) reboot) |
| 01:37.38 | aero | I wanna design business cards on my laptop, also I need a calender. anyone know any names to suggest? |
| 01:37.46 | *** join/#debian kevin__ (~kevin@dsl-72-1-219.160.tel-ott.com) |
| 01:37.53 | Mez | ah it's export DEBFULLNAME="Martin Meredith" |
| 01:37.53 | Mez | export DEBEMAIL=martin@sourceguru.net |
| 01:38.03 | aero | abiword does business cards? |
| 01:38.44 | *** join/#debian acidcore_ (~mephist06@reverse-82-141-60-67.dialin.kamp-dsl.de) |
| 01:38.50 | p_willam | zulkifar: maybe you also want to have a look at xlock, if you haven't done already. this tip is only a little bit, but still related. |
| 01:38.50 | *** join/#debian ionrivera (ionrivera@biserver.immigration.gov.ph) |
| 01:38.57 | resiak | aero: I use evilution. I also have used Openoffice.org Draw |
| 01:39.27 | bdarrow | walton: *shrug*, I have postgresql installed without sendmail, and I don't see any dependencies for it. |
| 01:39.34 | bdarrow | walton: and by the way, use postgres instead of mysql |
| 01:39.43 | bdarrow | walton: in my opinion. |
| 01:39.45 | *** join/#debian bomex (~bomex@82.147.44.65) |
| 01:39.48 | resiak | walton: Have you got any mta installed? |
| 01:39.55 | zulkifar | p_willam: yeah, looks interesting, installing... |
| 01:40.01 | Mez | resiak - anh i fixed it... nothign to do with my MTA :D |
| 01:40.09 | bdarrow | walton: mysql doesn't implement most of the ACID properties, and it may be fast, but thats because it doesn't do proper transaction management and WAL |
| 01:40.11 | *** join/#debian mfrisch (~mfrisch@cpe-65-27-185-113.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 01:40.12 | Mez | btw, was cool meeting a couple of people at LRL the other day |
| 01:40.20 | *** join/#debian cfan (~temp@203.212.229.87) |
| 01:40.20 | Mez | was trmpted to buy me a debian t-shirt |
| 01:40.20 | resiak | Mez: YOU WERE THERE TOO? |
| 01:40.24 | walton | bdarrow, I'll try again.. when I removed sendmail-cf sendmail-bin and another sendmail-x, apt said it were to remove them.. |
| 01:40.25 | resiak | Mez: I got one! |
| 01:40.27 | aero | resiak I didn't want to use evolution for some reason, there must be any option, although evolution is nice though |
| 01:40.38 | resiak | walton: Do you have an MTA? If not, you need to have one. |
| 01:41.09 | walton | resiak, why do I need to have one? |
| 01:41.15 | resiak | aero: xcal? Evo's not nice, but I can't find a nicer cal + addressbook (birthday alarms) |
| 01:41.24 | bomex | i got a problem, my debian 3.1 wont find my mouse |
| 01:41.25 | bdarrow | walton: various dependencies, you can just use exim and leave it unconfigured. |
| 01:41.29 | resiak | walton: It's how daemons and cronjobs report back. |
| 01:41.41 | *** join/#debian slackd00d (~bacardi@slackd00d.user) |
| 01:41.47 | Mez | yeah i was resiak :D - lol - I was gonna buy one (and was meant ot get an ubuntu one as i was meant ot eb helping out on the stand) but the guy who I was meant to talk to was never there... in fact i saw NOONe at the ubuntu stand all day (and yet all the CDs went) |
| 01:42.02 | *** part/#debian ionrivera (ionrivera@biserver.immigration.gov.ph) |
| 01:42.07 | walton | bdarrow, I'll see about it again some time later.. thanks.. I think something is wrong with the sendmail packages requiring me to remove the two.. |
| 01:42.14 | mfrisch | how do you update your postfix aliases.db? |
| 01:42.19 | aero | resiak, wicked thanks |
| 01:42.38 | trave11er | mfrisch: newaliases, iirc |
| 01:42.40 | Gathond | mfrisch: edit /etc/aliases and then use the postalias command to generate the .db file |
| 01:42.51 | resiak | Mez: I went to the Ubuntu stand and talked to someone there when there were only Kubuntu CDs right at the start. |
| 01:42.52 | walton | bdarrow, well if it does seem so vital for a MTA as part of security I can see the benefit of it and tradeoff the aggravation of setting it up well for once.. |
| 01:43.09 | Mez | ah... I didnt get there till just as the mass debate was starting :( |
| 01:43.09 | cfan | i shared the same partition between sarge and fc3.. edited the UID in passwd file of fc3 to match it with sarge using vipw.... now when i login to fc3 it says error.. says write permission denied to open / create some file/directories.. |
| 01:43.18 | mfrisch | Gathond got to postalias... |
| 01:43.23 | Mez | you probably tolke dto riddell theugh - ;lol :D he's the kubuntu guy |
| 01:43.49 | walton | bomex, have your hotplug mod up |
| 01:43.49 | *** join/#debian ionrivera (ionrivera@biserver.immigration.gov.ph) |
| 01:43.53 | Gathond | mfrisch: ? |
| 01:44.02 | resiak | Mez: Ah hah. What do you look like? Yes, I think I did. |
| 01:44.13 | mfrisch | Gathond I man to I am clueless |
| 01:44.26 | p_willam | zulkifar: sorry this astalavista.ru is unusable for me. any other links or "data-bits" for a google search? |
| 01:44.33 | *** join/#debian five (~fhs@pool-162-84-223-108.ny5030.east.verizon.net) |
| 01:44.37 | Mez | resiak - I'll find a picture - but i was wearing a green t shirt... just green with white loops eound arms and neck |
| 01:44.41 | Gathond | mfrisch: no I just didn't get the last line:) |
| 01:45.26 | Gathond | mfrisch: but after you run postalias (i think that is the name of the command) the ned /etc/aliases file should be active |
| 01:45.26 | *** join/#debian scruffy (~scrfy@67.76.97.89) |
| 01:45.55 | resiak | Mez: I was in a green shirt and shorts and look like a slightly hung-over student (for some strange reason). :) |
| 01:46.06 | Mez | and "mnotto" on the shirt? |
| 01:46.07 | walton | p_willam, google.com/linux |
| 01:46.31 | Mez | any motto * |
| 01:46.35 | aero | I don't know how to use xcal, it will take forever |
| 01:46.41 | *** join/#debian Wowzer (~Wowzer@dsl254-117-032.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 01:46.43 | p_willam | walton: for finding a windows program?! |
| 01:46.47 | mfrisch | Gathond its asking for alot. If I make the aliases the way it was it will work again? |
| 01:47.07 | *** join/#debian thingfish (~mark@dialup-4.244.156.33.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) |
| 01:47.12 | walton | p_willam, so you're being an ass asking about windows programs, it has to be a good reason.. |
| 01:47.34 | *** join/#debian goedson (~goedson@BHE052247.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) |
| 01:47.36 | Gathond | mfrisch: ehhh what will work? your guestion was only to update the aliases list. Have you broken it? |
| 01:47.54 | simonrvn | p_willam: wrong channel. #windows is not on this network |
| 01:48.18 | *** join/#debian kreg (~kreg@209.161.26.78) |
| 01:49.00 | mfrisch | Gathond I am not getting system mail. It set up admin for roots alias so I changed it and cannot create the db |
| 01:49.20 | Wowzer | does anyone know where I can find people who can help in decision to buy a laptop? specifically the cpu? I've found some readings about the turion and am curious how it compares with pentium m... |
| 01:49.25 | Gathond | mfrisch: does it present any error? |
| 01:49.36 | p_willam | walton: all i wanted is an infolink to the program, that zulkifar thinks he cant do without. maybe there is an alternative; but one needs at least some information about this win-app to decide. |
| 01:49.57 | walton | p_willam, wtf for? |
| 01:50.06 | mfrisch | Gathond give me a sec |
| 01:50.07 | Wowzer | I searched anandtech and tomshardware and neither really cover the performance of the chip. |
| 01:50.09 | *** join/#debian comadreja (~comadreja@80.224.108.240) |
| 01:50.38 | comadreja | how do I know which modules should I load depending on the network cards I have for kernel 2.6 |
| 01:50.39 | comadreja | ? |
| 01:50.49 | p_willam | walton: to use a linux solution instead of a windows one of course. |
| 01:51.11 | cfan | how do i change the user id for file .. amphi |
| 01:51.21 | comadreja | cfan chown |
| 01:51.44 | aero | xcal is terrific, and I figured it out in 2mins, and there no extra crap on distracting me |
| 01:52.07 | cfan | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.07 | cfan | it just changes the user name |
| 01:52.29 | walton | p_willam, a program for doing what? |
| 01:52.30 | p_willam | walton: but without knowing something about this program, it is difficult to suggest an alternative ;-) |
| 01:52.51 | walton | p_willam, there's no substance in your tongue, why don't you just leave? |
| 01:53.26 | mfrisch | Gathond I think I borked it...It says it cannot open db permission denied. |
| 01:53.46 | resiak | aero: Can it alarm you for people's birthdays? |
| 01:54.03 | mfrisch | Gathond same for Amavis. |
| 01:54.07 | comadreja | how do I know the module names for certain hardware ? |
| 01:54.14 | Gathond | mfrisch: check the permissions on the aliases.db file it uses then |
| 01:54.47 | cfan | i figured the problem.. the user has a uid of 1000 in passwd file.. but the files have the owner uid as 500... |
| 01:55.16 | mfrisch | Gathond -rw-r--r-- |
| 01:55.43 | cfan | i figured the problem.. the user has a uid of 1000 in passwd file.. but the files have the owner uid as 500... |
| 01:56.08 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 01:56.09 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 01:56.12 | Gathond | mfrisch: should not present a problem, at least as far as I can see, it has been some time since i last used postfix with an actual /etc/aliases.db file |
| 01:56.35 | mfrisch | Gathond THANKS... |
| 01:56.37 | Gathond | mfrisch: you dont happen to run postfix and amavisd inside a chroot? |
| 01:56.53 | Gathond | mfrisch: that could explain it if the file is not visible inside the chroot |
| 01:56.54 | zulkifar | p_willam: http://www.online-translator.com/srvurl.asp?lang=en |
| 01:56.59 | p_willam | walton: i dont see why i should leave. where is the substance in your tonge, when i'm asking another person for a specific link and you're proposing google. |
| 01:57.35 | mfrisch | Gathond nope..It says it scans it in the header too. |
| 01:57.36 | walton | p_willam, google.com/linux is not a link its google with a linux attitude! |
| 01:59.53 | p_willam | walton: i know this for long. |
| 02:01.00 | mfrisch | Gathond ok it does not use my correct local address?!? It scanned incoming mail..passed. Local mail gives me the error. |
| 02:01.47 | *** part/#debian cfan (~temp@203.212.229.87) |
| 02:03.01 | *** join/#debian jasoncohen (~test@pcp0011382713pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 02:03.38 | walton | zulkifar, p_willam, google:" my topic filetype:pdf" -- ibm has good topics, but there may be some other interesting docs you're looking for.. |
| 02:05.25 | *** join/#debian jd|laptop (~jdhutchin@user-0cdv0g2.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 02:05.47 | *** join/#debian lfm (~lfm@200-55-64-182.dsl.prima.net.ar) |
| 02:06.25 | *** part/#debian Mez (~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 02:06.29 | ionrivera | hey guys! im new to linux and i'd like to ask if it is possible to install AdobePhotoshop on my box. i've already have wine and it still doesn't work. do i have to install additional components? |
| 02:07.06 | jetdotnet | ionrivera: did yo ucheck out the gimp? |
| 02:07.30 | jetdotnet | and you might need that non-free wine, i forget what they call it |
| 02:07.32 | walton | ionrivera, it is possible but you'd have to pay me for telling you :) |
| 02:07.36 | jetdotnet | xine-x? |
| 02:07.40 | jetdotnet | err wine-x |
| 02:07.42 | ionrivera | yup |
| 02:07.53 | michal_ | I'm trying to set up smtp authentication on a sarge system running postfix and found this info.. http://www.dclug.org.uk/archive/2005/04/msg00072.html some of it seems a bit extreme though and I was wondering if anyone with a clue could have a look and se if it makes sense |
| 02:07.57 | *** join/#debian alec (~alec@ned.bowdoin.edu) |
| 02:08.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 774] by debhelper |
| 02:08.58 | jd|laptop | michal_, from what I've heard, running sasl in a chroot jail is extremely difficult |
| 02:08.59 | walton | jetdotnet, there's also other crossovers that support direct installs I think for photoshop but not for the latest versions.. but only if you're desperate enough to try it and make gimp people feel ashamed |
| 02:09.39 | ionrivera | so there's no other way? |
| 02:09.53 | *** join/#debian stealth (~stealth@user-0c6sdm3.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 02:10.02 | walton | jetdotnet, f**, dam this laptop keyboard.. |
| 02:10.35 | shingouz | ionrivera: not really. cedega might help but that costs money and is intended for games |
| 02:10.42 | zulkifar | walton: " my topic filetype:pdf" - what is that? |
| 02:10.59 | walton | zulkifar, i'm adjusting to pecak-- wrong message |
| 02:10.59 | p_willam | zulkifar: dont bother. |
| 02:11.11 | resiak | ionrivera: Crossover Office? |
| 02:11.22 | resiak | Meh, just read the scrollback |
| 02:11.26 | ionrivera | there's always money involved huh? |
| 02:11.36 | ionrivera | thanx for the help guys! |
| 02:11.44 | jetdotnet | ionrivera: gimp doesn't cut it, you need ps? |
| 02:12.14 | *** part/#debian walton (~cbrian@modemcable010.37-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 02:12.15 | michal_ | I find it odd that I have to do things like "cp /etc/pam.d/passwd /etc/pam.d/smtp" |
| 02:12.36 | ionrivera | there are so many features i cant see in gimp that ps have |
| 02:12.53 | trave11er | michal_: how about http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/ |
| 02:13.03 | trave11er | michal_: this one is at least linked from postfix.org |
| 02:13.15 | trave11er | michal_: and there are few more relevant howtos there |
| 02:13.59 | michal_ | trave11er: thanks.. i wish these things weren't so esoteric. every single howto says something slightly different |
| 02:14.07 | jetdotnet | ionrivera: never used ps, wouldn't know. heard there's a few/couple things, no idea. |
| 02:14.22 | trave11er | michal_: it's pretty flexible |
| 02:14.39 | michal_ | trave11er: and the fact is that debian sarge is a specific case which isn't the same as other distribs :/ |
| 02:15.13 | *** join/#debian mithro (~tim@ppp244-18.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 02:15.24 | *** join/#debian tokeda (tokeda@adsl-065-005-250-162.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) |
| 02:15.24 | *** join/#debian GILPS (~gil@201.3.189.46) |
| 02:15.34 | trave11er | michal_: my local postfix relays all mail through my provider, to which it authenticates using smtp auth... this took a day or two of head-banging-on-the-wall to get right :-) |
| 02:16.07 | tokeda | was wondering if someone could assist me with trying to write up an init script on sarge please? |
| 02:16.09 | *** join/#debian Octex (~T3RM1N4T0@201.255.126.88) |
| 02:16.43 | michal_ | trave11er: i'm willing to bet that most setups are incorrect in that they're full of security holes just because people don't know any better and clobber a solution together from bits and pieces all over the net |
| 02:16.51 | *** join/#debian Shamilton0360 (~Shane@CPE000ae619f0cb-CM014490008506.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:17.14 | *** join/#debian ryan- (~neural@CPEd2cd2cd2cd2c-CM0012c90d1b7a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:17.17 | *** join/#debian ramir3z_ (~rami@p54A64EA6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:17.41 | *** join/#debian UnloadS (uia@200.226.82.61) |
| 02:18.17 | shingouz | tokeda: in /etc/init.d you should find a skeleton. you really should not need to write init scripts at all when running debian. what are you trying to make the thing do? |
| 02:18.30 | *** join/#debian prodope (~neural@CPEd2cd2cd2cd2c-CM0012c90d1b7a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:19.54 | *** join/#debian Leonardo_Cabelo (~LeonardoC@leonardo-cabelo-00001.user) |
| 02:20.02 | tokeda | shingouz: well, i am running the ptlink server and services. I want to have the system automatically start both programs at boot and as a different user. Not only that, but if services gives an error about stats, i want it to fix that error then try to start the services again. |
| 02:20.08 | *** join/#debian mohua (mohua@opensource.geek.nz) |
| 02:20.50 | michal_ | especially annoying is this |
| 02:20.52 | michal_ | (add PARAMS="-m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd" to end of /etc/default/saslauthd once you've set the other settings so both programs look in the postfix jail to talk to each other) |
| 02:20.59 | Supaplex | what oss software is designed to work with tape, save for tar? (40gb native DLT SCSI-II) |
| 02:21.02 | shingouz | tokeda: the only advice i can give you is to make a copy of the skeleton and try hacking it. what you want to do is not exactly trivial and a bit off topic here imho |
| 02:21.26 | michal_ | then it goes on to say: If you poke the PARAMS option to saslauthd you'll likely break the ability of the "/etc/init.d/saslauthd" script to stop saslauthd |
| 02:21.32 | *** join/#debian Eduardo-Brazil (bhyac@201008239146.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 02:21.37 | michal_ | so that can't be good :/ |
| 02:21.41 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: you can write to tape using almost anything. It's just a device. However, tar (or other backup software that uses tar) is generally the best method to use |
| 02:22.12 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: yea, just looking for alternatives, if there be any. (I'm aware of the whole device mentality etc) |
| 02:22.42 | Supaplex | I should post a pic of this desk and all the gear running on it. heh |
| 02:22.57 | michal_ | great :/ Starting SASL Authentication Daemon: (failed). |
| 02:23.13 | Supaplex | you boked it now |
| 02:23.13 | michal_ | does the PARAMS trick not work any longer? |
| 02:24.38 | trave11er | michal_: that sounds like one of them rhetorical questions :-) |
| 02:24.55 | michal_ | it's not :) |
| 02:25.23 | *** join/#debian kalessin (~crhalpin@adsl-68-78-232-23.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net) |
| 02:25.33 | *** join/#debian IcE-bOy (~javi@82.158.27.181) |
| 02:25.35 | IcE-bOy | hi |
| 02:25.45 | IcE-bOy | anybody has a "working" apt sources for sid ? |
| 02:25.54 | *** join/#debian lexanx (~eat@pool-151-199-148-60.norf.east.verizon.net) |
| 02:25.59 | IcE-bOy | i have this: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free but i always have 404 |
| 02:26.12 | dondelelcaro | IcE-bOy: just rerun apt-get update; |
| 02:26.22 | michal_ | oops.. now postfix is dying :/ |
| 02:26.28 | IcE-bOy | dondelelcaro: yes, this 404 is in update |
| 02:26.52 | dondelelcaro | IcE-bOy: obviously. http.us.debian.org is an RR. If you rerun apt-get update; you'll hit a different server. |
| 02:26.54 | michal_ | this stuff should be better integrated :/ it's not good when it's difficult to enable smtp authentication.. you're left with the option to have open relays |
| 02:27.12 | Supaplex | or popbeforesmtp |
| 02:27.20 | IcE-bOy | ok |
| 02:27.20 | IcE-bOy | thanks |
| 02:27.23 | *** part/#debian IcE-bOy (~javi@82.158.27.181) |
| 02:27.25 | michal_ | we don't use pop |
| 02:27.38 | michal_ | Supaplex: plus outlook express is incapable of that it seems |
| 02:28.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 780] by debhelper |
| 02:28.36 | Supaplex | !comfort michal_ |
| 02:28.36 | dpkg | There, there, michal_. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:28.46 | Eduardo-Brazil | Someone knows where I can get information abour digital video on debian ? |
| 02:28.48 | Supaplex | dunno what to say. :) |
| 02:28.52 | *** join/#debian opioid (~karl@pcp08896855pcs.hcksrd01.tn.comcast.net) |
| 02:29.06 | opioid | i cant seem to find a madwifi package with my apt-get |
| 02:29.09 | *** join/#debian tengulre (~tengulre@61.185.238.166) |
| 02:29.17 | *** part/#debian faiper (~dsffds@acc-01-40.radio.wavenet.com.br) |
| 02:29.21 | opioid | i'm on a fresh install, do i need to change something in sources.list ? |
| 02:29.30 | jetdotnet | might be in non-free maybe? |
| 02:29.30 | opioid | its got a sable mirror there |
| 02:29.34 | *** join/#debian launch (launch@modemcable042.250-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 02:29.36 | jetdotnet | !info madwifi |
| 02:29.44 | opioid | shoud i add unstable |
| 02:29.51 | tengulre | good morning ,every one! |
| 02:29.56 | michal_ | hmm.. wow.. an improvement.. Jun 27 12:16:32 localhost postfix/smtpd[32502]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
| 02:30.03 | jetdotnet | dpkg say doesn't exist |
| 02:30.06 | dpkg | doesn't exist |
| 02:30.06 | jetdotnet | no idea |
| 02:30.16 | jetdotnet | err says |
| 02:30.25 | *** join/#debian Sy_Ali (~chatzilla@HSE-MTL-ppp77839.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 02:30.59 | resiak | !tell jetdotnet about -madwifi-install |
| 02:31.03 | resiak | !tell jetdotnet -about madwifi-install |
| 02:31.11 | jetdotnet | http://www.google.com/linux?q=debian+madwifi&restrict=linux |
| 02:31.18 | jetdotnet | no don't tell me |
| 02:31.21 | jetdotnet | yet |
| 02:31.23 | jetdotnet | maybe |
| 02:31.56 | jetdotnet | wtf is Atheros |
| 02:32.12 | *** join/#debian Pepina (~sss@194.165.153.229) |
| 02:32.16 | jetdotnet | i do need to set up wireless sometime soon, and never have |
| 02:32.33 | *** join/#debian behrouz (~behrouz@CPE000f668d446f-CM000a73a963d5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:32.38 | amphi | jetdotnet: what card? |
| 02:33.09 | kalessin | jetdotnet Atheros is a company that makes the chips on some wireless cards. |
| 02:33.15 | jetdotnet | no it was in the madwifi factoid... " Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0 " |
| 02:33.18 | jetdotnet | ah |
| 02:33.20 | behrouz | hello, i'm asked to make linux "world accessible" so the other person can try it out, anyone knows what the heck that means, thx |
| 02:33.34 | dondelelcaro | "a name, truly is just a name" |
| 02:33.37 | bob2 | behrouz: er, you'd have to ask them what they want |
| 02:33.39 | lexanx | Has anyone Ever had the same problem i have? I have two hds. My primary is windows xp with grub on the mbr. After a fresh install of debian on the second hd it works great. But when booting back into windows the mbr disapears. |
| 02:33.44 | amphi | behrouz: nothing good ;) |
| 02:33.45 | jetdotnet | behrouz: he must mean so an idiot could use it |
| 02:33.51 | dondelelcaro | lexanx: welcome to the joys of windows |
| 02:33.56 | Sy_Ali | Could someone point me towards a HOWTO on init scripts? I've gone through some resources but nothing has panned out, and I need better/official reading. |
| 02:34.06 | jetdotnet | some xp autorestore i guess |
| 02:34.11 | dondelelcaro | Sy_Ali: what in particular do you want to know? |
| 02:34.22 | michal_ | it's harder to get smtp auth working under sarge than it was to get a man on the moon :/ |
| 02:34.54 | Sy_Ali | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to create a simple startup and shutdown script. I have the files in the right places (and named the right things) with the right permissions.. but things aren't working. |
| 02:35.00 | *** part/#debian kevin__ (~kevin@dsl-72-1-219.160.tel-ott.com) |
| 02:35.27 | Sy_Ali | I'm confused, and looking at other scripts hasn't helped, and examples on the net don't seem to be helping me.. so I'm looking for docs for better explanations. |
| 02:35.34 | mwilson | Then don't claim you have things right. |
| 02:35.46 | tengulre | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.49 | Sy_Ali | I figured there was something fundamental I was missing. |
| 02:35.59 | dondelelcaro | Sy_Ali: can you run /etc/init.d/fooscript start; ? can you run /etc/init.d/fooscript stop? |
| 02:36.15 | Sy_Ali | yes I can do both those things |
| 02:36.51 | amphi | Sy_Ali: what's wrong? it doesn't start at boottime? |
| 02:37.05 | dondelelcaro | Sy_Ali: and you have a symlink from /etc/rc2.d/S??fooscript to /etc/init.d/fooscript? |
| 02:37.29 | Sy_Ali | amphi: correct.. it's not being started at boottime. |
| 02:37.44 | Sy_Ali | dondelelcaro: arg.. no, it's in rc3.d |
| 02:37.59 | dondelelcaro | riight. |
| 02:38.03 | Sy_Ali | duh |
| 02:38.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 773] by debhelper |
| 02:38.14 | kalessin | Sy_Ali You should have a look at 'man update-rc.d' There's a script to handle making the symlinks for you. |
| 02:38.16 | Sy_Ali | however, that doesn't solve the fact that the script in rc6 isn't being called on shutdown |
| 02:38.16 | dondelelcaro | Sy_Ali: time to read man update-rc.d; |
| 02:38.27 | Sy_Ali | if I had man installed =p |
| 02:38.31 | Sy_Ali | lemme look that up, thanks |
| 02:38.35 | dondelelcaro | Sy_Ali: 0 is shutdown. |
| 02:38.39 | kalessin | Sy_Ali might be because rc6.d is reboot. rc0 is shutdown. |
| 02:38.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell Sy_Ali -about runlevels |
| 02:39.01 | jetdotnet | -about ? |
| 02:39.08 | dondelelcaro | jetdotnet: yes, -about. |
| 02:39.29 | jetdotnet | !tell me -about runlevels |
| 02:39.44 | nF3r | I don't have connection on my installed Debian using Gnome.. any help ? |
| 02:39.45 | dondelelcaro | now *that* is truly pointless |
| 02:40.09 | dondelelcaro | nF3r: how are you connecing to the internet? |
| 02:40.19 | jetdotnet | it's the - i was wondering about |
| 02:40.27 | nF3r | using windows on another computer |
| 02:40.43 | dondelelcaro | jetdotnet: yes, and the - tells dpkg not to tell me the contents of the factoid |
| 02:40.56 | jetdotnet | nF3r: so it works when gnome's not running you say... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 02:40.57 | dondelelcaro | nF3r: yes, but ethernet card? wireless? ip over pigeon? |
| 02:41.04 | jetdotnet | the ah was at dondelelcaro |
| 02:41.20 | nF3r | im using ethernet card |
| 02:41.50 | dondelelcaro | nF3r: ok, is the module for your ethernet card loaded? Do you see an eth0 when you ifconfig -a? Have you set up the interface correctly in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 02:42.19 | *** join/#debian random2 (~519884e8@67.19.214.226) |
| 02:42.48 | michal_ | there's some debian trick to getting this to work and I can't figure out wtf it is :/ |
| 02:42.49 | nF3r | yes i have it eth0 |
| 02:42.56 | Sy_Ali | Thanks for the help on the init script stuff. The startup is working fine. I am assuming the reboot/shutdown aren't being activated because of the design of the script, so I'll investigate further. |
| 02:43.14 | *** join/#debian ylaila (~ylaila@136.Red-83-46-166.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 02:43.25 | nF3r | i didnt touch anyting ..i just installed Debian and up running Gnome after that.. |
| 02:43.45 | *** part/#debian ylaila (~ylaila@136.Red-83-46-166.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 02:43.46 | dondelelcaro | nF3r: ok, so are you using DHCP or what? |
| 02:43.56 | nF3r | DHCP |
| 02:44.28 | *** join/#debian gba (~gba@p50849BC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:44.33 | amphi | nF3r: dhclient eth0 should get it going |
| 02:44.55 | michal_ | why isn't adding PARAMS="-m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd" to /etc/default/saslauthd no longer supported |
| 02:45.27 | Supaplex | wow, I didn't expect my bug report to make d-i front page news. (302238) =) |
| 02:45.28 | CaT[tm] | do I need to do anything special to get X to recognise the fonts in msttcorefonts? |
| 02:45.36 | dondelelcaro | !tell nF3r -about interfaces |
| 02:45.39 | CaT[tm] | because xlsfonts is not listing them and it's beginning to annoy. |
| 02:45.45 | *** join/#debian eggy (eggy@eggy-yorkcc.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 02:46.01 | dondelelcaro | nF3r: follow those instructions to configure /etc/network/interfaces to use DHCP to bring the interface up |
| 02:46.02 | nF3r | i want to surf the web. |
| 02:46.34 | amphi | 'surf the web' ? |
| 02:47.06 | *** join/#debian Nurbs (tom@p508969C9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:47.08 | dondelelcaro | ah yes... popular euphemisms for using a computer network... |
| 02:47.09 | nF3r | ok.. i get the msg.. |
| 02:47.15 | dondelelcaro | next we'll be "hacking the gibson" |
| 02:47.21 | Pryon | heh |
| 02:47.23 | amphi | hehe |
| 02:47.35 | amphi | shields up!!! |
| 02:47.39 | Pryon | and s3x0ring the acidburn |
| 02:47.49 | CaT[tm] | dammit. |
| 02:48.00 | CaT[tm] | fslsfonts -server unix/:7110 lists them :/ |
| 02:48.12 | *** join/#debian dcon (familia@200.6.171.2) |
| 02:48.14 | *** join/#debian osbert (~osbert@dsl081-051-123.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 02:48.15 | *** join/#debian foka (~foka@218.191.239.125) |
| 02:48.15 | *** join/#debian Belboz (~Belboz99@adsl-68-255-91-61.dsl.rcfril.ameritech.net) |
| 02:48.24 | *** part/#debian dcon (familia@200.6.171.2) |
| 02:48.24 | Belboz | Man, Bill is so pissing me off! |
| 02:49.20 | *** join/#debian gadek (~gadek@swan.info.uqam.ca) |
| 02:49.30 | Belboz | Okay, I can print a test page in Gnome, comes out fine, I can see the printer in my network places on my father's laptop, but when I go to connect it says that it doesn't have the proper drivers, WTF? |
| 02:50.13 | shingouz | Belboz: i think the windows needs some lpr thingie there for it to work. sounds like a windows issue |
| 02:50.27 | michal_ | is it normal that i have to edit files like /etc/init.d/postfix to get things to work |
| 02:50.31 | Belboz | yeah, I know it's a windows issue |
| 02:50.50 | Belboz | shingouz, what do you mean by "some lpr thingie"? |
| 02:51.32 | shingouz | Belboz: you need to install the drivers on doze, a unix printing thing i think it was. lpr or lpd or somesuch. been a *long* time i last screwed around with doze at all |
| 02:51.53 | *** join/#debian Seven_Six_Two (~bellosa@toronto-HSE-ppp4072812.sympatico.ca) |
| 02:52.46 | bob2 | michal_: why did you edit that file? |
| 02:53.11 | michal_ | bob2: because apparently that's part of what you have to do to get smtp authentication working |
| 02:53.22 | *** join/#debian NoKy- (ucode@m229.net81-67-182.noos.fr) |
| 02:53.25 | Guerin | michal_: it should have a defaults file to draw stuff from |
| 02:53.35 | *** join/#debian prodope (~neural@CPEd2cd2cd2cd2c-CM0012c90d1b7a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:53.40 | *** part/#debian Sy_Ali (~chatzilla@HSE-MTL-ppp77839.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 02:53.42 | Guerin | you shouldn't ever edit initscripts directly, they get replaced on upgrade |
| 02:53.45 | Seven_Six_Two | My sarge system crashed while playing a mkv movie, and after doing Alt+sysrq+rseiub and an fsck, my system will boot, but when i try to log in with gdm, i can't type. every key i press changes the video mode |
| 02:53.52 | *** join/#debian redcliffe (~david@203-173-16-150.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 02:54.05 | redcliffe | hi - any information around about when php5 will go into unstable? |
| 02:54.23 | *** join/#debian bsims (bsims@12-221-57-64.client.insightBB.com) |
| 02:54.37 | *** join/#debian bill (~bill@adsl-068-209-198-242.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 02:54.37 | michal_ | guerin: well it looks like smtp auth wasn't something considered important in the general scheme of things as it's a BITCH to get working with a chrooted postfix |
| 02:54.53 | abrotman | postfix-sasl ? |
| 02:54.54 | bsims | Quick question can I use OSX cups drivers on GNU/Linux's version of CUPS? |
| 02:55.12 | bill | Hi all, what's the command to stop a service from starting at boot? i.e, apache or whatever. I still want it installed, just not started on boot. |
| 02:55.17 | michal_ | abrotman: do you mean postfix-tls? |
| 02:55.20 | bob2 | Guerin: changes to init scripts are preserved on upgrade |
| 02:55.28 | abrotman | bill: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 02:55.32 | Guerin | bob2: oh, they are? |
| 02:55.34 | bob2 | michal_: you edit master.cf if you want to unchroot parts of postfix |
| 02:55.49 | *** join/#debian njbair (~njbair@69-172-17-60.clvdoh.adelphia.net) |
| 02:56.01 | njbair | if i'm running gentoo, how can i pick apart a .deb package? |
| 02:56.04 | bill | Thanks! |
| 02:56.07 | abrotman | njbair: ar |
| 02:56.34 | *** join/#debian dorijan (dorijan@pD95B39C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:56.36 | Seven_Six_Two | the last bit of my xfree86 log is at http://rafb.net/paste/results/Wbv7xz52.html |
| 02:56.38 | michal_ | bob2: well the problem is i don't know HOW I want to do this I just know WHAT I want to do.. ie get smtp auth working.. I don't know if there is a "correct" way to do this |
| 02:56.50 | bob2 | michal_: purge and reinstall postfix |
| 02:56.53 | njbair | thanks |
| 02:57.06 | bill | Has anyone had any success with tie i845 chipset? I'm using the built-in vesa driver on the sarge 3.1 XFree86, but I can't get the accelerated driver installed ... |
| 02:57.07 | michal_ | bob2: for what purpose? |
| 02:57.18 | abrotman | and people say we're not helpful |
| 02:57.35 | bob2 | michal_: to unfuck whatever you did to the config |
| 02:57.40 | bob2 | michal_: then read http://small.dropbear.id.au/myscripts/postfixmysql.html |
| 02:57.58 | Belboz | shingouz, I found the windows drivers, but windows said they didn't match, even though I'm 100% sure they do. :mad: |
| 02:58.01 | michal_ | bob2: THAT'S the page that told me to edit the init script! |
| 02:58.18 | *** join/#debian hanz (~hanz@202.164.177.158) |
| 02:58.21 | bob2 | michal_: ok! |
| 02:58.27 | bob2 | so do what it says |
| 02:58.33 | shingouz | Belboz: use the debian installer on tyour dads computer and do not give him the root password ;) |
| 02:58.50 | Belboz | lol shingouz! |
| 02:59.21 | bill | Also, what's the preferred IRC client for linux users? |
| 02:59.30 | eeg3 | mIRC |
| 02:59.33 | shingouz | Belboz: he might have a hissyfit though... or not when he does not have a bsod every five minutes |
| 02:59.35 | amphi | irssi |
| 02:59.35 | Belboz | abrotman, would you happen to know why Windows doesn't like my CUPs driver? |
| 02:59.40 | Guerin | !best irc client |
| 02:59.40 | dpkg | irssi-text is, like, probably the best IRC client |
| 02:59.45 | Seven_Six_Two | i use KSirc |
| 02:59.51 | Nurbs | !best irc client |
| 02:59.52 | dpkg | [irssi-text] probably the best IRC client |
| 02:59.55 | Nurbs | still... |
| 03:00.13 | bill | eeg3: yea, mIRC rocks. I might install wine just to run it ;p |
| 03:00.16 | slackd00d | irssi rules ass! |
| 03:00.24 | *** join/#debian ee99ee (~ee99ee@66-168-86-93.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) |
| 03:00.33 | abrotman | Belboz: i don't own a printer |
| 03:00.34 | Belboz | shingouz, the machine I really want to put Debian on is my sisters, I've been over there 4x this year cleaning off spyware, malware, adware, and viruses |
| 03:00.35 | Guerin | !mirc on wine |
| 03:00.35 | dpkg | somebody said mirc on wine was double the wrongness! |
| 03:00.38 | bsims | yewww mIRC... I'd rather run Xchat than that crap |
| 03:00.39 | bill | I just want something that will run in a shell window and highlight w/some pretty colors ... |
| 03:00.54 | bill | -> /flameOff |
| 03:00.54 | bsims | bill: irssi is what you are wanting then |
| 03:01.00 | dondelelcaro | bill: irssi-text. There is no substitute |
| 03:01.01 | bill | @bsims; thanks. |
| 03:01.09 | *** join/#debian deadcat (~deadcat@netblock-66-245-219-22.dslextreme.com) |
| 03:01.12 | Belboz | shingouz, she once had 1,200 peices of the spyware/malware crap, and 400 files infected with viruses |
| 03:01.26 | *** join/#debian oldsk00l (~oldsk00l@66.28.80.11) |
| 03:01.31 | shingouz | Belboz: i am nasty. in a situation like that i would just install and keep the passes. and disable booting from anything else than the hd |
| 03:01.59 | ee99ee | I have Googled this, but I can't find what I'm looking for. How do I configure sysklogd to log events from a specific host to a specific file? |
| 03:02.04 | shingouz | Belboz: do not imitate me though, i am 6'9 260# and nasty to boot |
| 03:02.10 | bsims | shingouz: or simply disable booting from the HD and pop $LIVE_CD in the cd drive |
| 03:02.17 | ee99ee | I have configured sysklogd to listen on the network, and that seems to be working... I just now want all logs from a specific host in a file of its own |
| 03:02.46 | *** join/#debian davix_ (~lama@85-64-145-119.barak-online.net) |
| 03:02.54 | *** join/#debian rapoza (~t5@200.175.98.100.dialup.gvt.net.br) |
| 03:02.57 | rapoza | hi |
| 03:03.01 | shingouz | bsims: not good. removing the $LIVE_CD makes the virus trap work again |
| 03:03.13 | rapoza | someone knows howto for proftpd+auth+postgresql ?? |
| 03:03.17 | Belboz | shingouz, I'm really starting to become a M$ hater. I can't fix her system because nothing that loads outside of the OS can write to her NTFS file system |
| 03:03.23 | amphi | oldsk00l: ;) |
| 03:03.32 | Guerin | Belboz: captive |
| 03:03.43 | Belboz | Guerin? |
| 03:03.57 | Guerin | !captive |
| 03:03.57 | dpkg | somebody said captive was The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 03:03.58 | *** join/#debian TasteOfD1ath (~tod@i5387428E.versanet.de) |
| 03:04.19 | *** join/#debian mar_garina_ (~mar_garin@85-65-135-40.barak-online.net) |
| 03:04.23 | bsims | shingouz: no it doesn't you disabled booting from the HD remember <g> |
| 03:04.27 | Belboz | ah, that's right, now I remember, thanks Guerin |
| 03:04.28 | Guerin | free if you ignore the fact that it needs ntfs.dll to work |
| 03:04.57 | Belboz | Guerin: what I really need to do is scan her whole hard drive for Viri |
| 03:05.00 | shingouz | bsims: not as bofh as my solution |
| 03:05.21 | bsims | true but evil in its own way |
| 03:05.55 | michal_ | "Many people have had problems with sasl not working correctly. This is almost always due to sasl not shuting down or acceptting the new settings. If you have problems with sasl, kill -9 all of its PID's or simply reboot." |
| 03:05.58 | shingouz | bsims: i think someone once said: speak softly and carry a big lart |
| 03:06.01 | shingouz | ;) |
| 03:06.05 | michal_ | how good is that advice? |
| 03:06.15 | Guerin | michal_: sasl is pretty shit. |
| 03:06.21 | oldsk00l | amphi, net install, 7mbps connection, with apt-get just getting the packages I need....fully restored webserver in a half an hour www.majeonline.com |
| 03:06.39 | bsims | so does anyone know if I can use the OSX drivers on Linux's version of cups? |
| 03:06.53 | oldsk00l | bsims, like gimp-print etc? |
| 03:06.56 | Belboz | I'm starting to think that her antivirus software is infected though. It seems like it's the only thing that generates a BSOD when run. I ran M$ antispyware just fine, but AVG BSOD's every time |
| 03:07.03 | michal_ | guerin: after having added the extra paramaters to /etc/init.d/saslauthd it now fails to shut down :/ which is why the kill -9 thing is suggested |
| 03:07.31 | bsims | oldsk00l: more like extract the ppd from the OSX driver and manualy use them with cups |
| 03:07.41 | Guerin | bsims: should be able to |
| 03:07.45 | *** join/#debian hps (~hps@L0852P22.dipool.highway.telekom.at) |
| 03:08.15 | oldsk00l | bsims, I don't see why not, it should work because those aren't binary |
| 03:09.03 | oldsk00l | afaik Apple doesn't use anything special though, they use the same packages/framework as most linux distro's |
| 03:09.26 | bsims | hrm was just wondering Linuxprinting hasn't heard of this printer yet |
| 03:09.34 | *** join/#debian Jamsi (~jamsii@fry.jigsaw.net.au) |
| 03:09.47 | Belboz | anyone else here feel powerless without a broadband connection? I mean, whenever something is broken on any of my systems, all I have to do is DL a file or two, maybe an app, and I can get it working. If it doesn't need a file, it needs configuring, and that's easily found on the net. But without a broadband connection I feel powerless |
| 03:10.16 | oldsk00l | Belboz, I know when I'm on dialup I feel crippled. |
| 03:10.21 | *** join/#debian Fuzz_ (~t@68-185-194-224.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) |
| 03:10.25 | Jamsi | Belboz, no BB where you are? |
| 03:10.52 | Belboz | Jamsi, my sister still has dialup, and I was trying to fix her machine |
| 03:11.04 | Jamsi | I see :) |
| 03:11.08 | oldsk00l | especially when trying to update packages, I'm one of the fortunate few atm who have as fast as a connection I have. My kB/sec from the oregon debian repo is around 750 |
| 03:11.12 | Belboz | Jamsi, for some reason the max speed I was getting was 2.1KB/s |
| 03:11.15 | Guerin | ssh -X over 56k hurts quite a bit |
| 03:11.22 | *** part/#debian Draconicus (glitch@pool-151-203-215-73.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 03:11.23 | Jamsi | Belboz, oh joy |
| 03:11.24 | oldsk00l | but if I had to go back to 5k/sec, I'd gouge my eyes out |
| 03:11.47 | *** join/#debian chealer (chealer@ip216-239-89-246.vif.net) |
| 03:11.50 | Guerin | oldsk00l: if my d/l drops to 750k, I change mirrors |
| 03:11.51 | Belboz | oldsk00l, I'm at 1.5Mb/s here, usually getting 165KB/s down |
| 03:12.00 | shingouz | 5k/sec is not too bad when you are sitting in your car in the middle of nowhere with a gprs |
| 03:12.58 | *** join/#debian kurumin (~kurumin_r@201-1-12-153.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 03:13.29 | Belboz | Guerin, by 750k you mean, "kiloBIT" right? |
| 03:14.07 | michal_ | ha!! the solution turned out to be incredibly simple.. but for some reason it hadn't occured to anyone else discussing this in forums.. simply set PIDFILE="/var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/saslauthd.pid" |
| 03:14.37 | *** join/#debian bomex (~bomex@82.147.44.65) |
| 03:14.43 | *** join/#debian egon_spengler (~Egon@71.98.70.143) |
| 03:14.45 | Belboz | that's great michal_ |
| 03:15.16 | shingouz | Belboz: when it is Guerin we talk about i would not be too sure about the bit-part. he might mean bytes |
| 03:15.55 | *** join/#debian Randall64 (~rk@c-24-60-67-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 03:15.57 | Guerin | Belboz: bytes |
| 03:16.00 | michal_ | wahoo.. and smtp auth now works.. going to write up my own ultra simplified mini-howto |
| 03:16.29 | trave11er | michal_: put it on wiki.d.n |
| 03:16.38 | *** join/#debian hanz (~hanz@202.164.177.158) |
| 03:16.52 | *** part/#debian Randall64 (~rk@c-24-60-67-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 03:16.56 | Jamsi | trave11er, whats that? |
| 03:17.00 | jim | michal_: good :) |
| 03:17.04 | trave11er | Jamsi: wiki.debian.net |
| 03:17.21 | Guerin | !guerin's internet is <reply> Yes, Guerin has 100 megabit full-dup internet access at home. Yes, it costs him only $30/month. No, no useful ports are blocked and there's no AUP against running servers. No, you can't have a shell on his box. |
| 03:17.22 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 03:17.22 | Jamsi | cheers :) |
| 03:17.41 | shingouz | Guerin: i hate you ;) |
| 03:17.47 | Guerin | :) |
| 03:17.58 | michal_ | turns out to be rather simple. going to do a bit more research into each step I took to make I understand WHY it has to be done though.. nothing worse than a half-assed howto |
| 03:18.02 | Jamsi | Guerin can I have shell |
| 03:18.23 | oldsk00l | Guerin, that's up and down? |
| 03:18.26 | Guerin | Jamsi: Sure. For only $25/month... |
| 03:18.26 | jim | I didn't know it then, michal_, but I began to suspect you'd be able to help someday when you said you did 3d programming... |
| 03:18.29 | Guerin | oldsk00l: yup. |
| 03:18.34 | jim | it's finally happened :) |
| 03:18.47 | Jamsi | 25 a year did u say? :P |
| 03:18.47 | shingouz | i think i have a better question: any work over there that would need a 6'9 geek? |
| 03:18.49 | oldsk00l | aye, more kool-aid 'round the country please :D |
| 03:18.49 | michal_ | hey i've helped before! |
| 03:18.57 | Guerin | Jamsi: heh |
| 03:19.01 | *** join/#debian Covener (~covener@cpe-066-057-071-086.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 03:19.03 | *** part/#debian rapoza (~t5@200.175.98.100.dialup.gvt.net.br) |
| 03:19.14 | Jamsi | Guerin what beastly service will you run off that? |
| 03:19.19 | Jamsi | Sell webhosting? |
| 03:19.35 | jim | ok, probably so, but this is the first time I've seen you about to maintain a help doc |
| 03:20.00 | michal_ | next step for me will be simplifying another uber verbose and complicated howto for a mail virus/spam scanner gateway.. just as soon as I understand that. |
| 03:20.05 | Guerin | Jamsi: it's just home internet. I run some ftp and download some TV and that sort of thing, but nothign much. |
| 03:20.15 | michal_ | jim: well i want to document this for where I work so I might as well do it for everyone |
| 03:20.28 | Guerin | Jamsi: I don't have the hardware to run shells, etc. |
| 03:20.32 | Jamsi | Guerin, really.. :P |
| 03:20.38 | jim | Jamsi: you can get a $30/month deal, run anything legal non-spam non-abusive that you want, debian or redhat virtual server |
| 03:21.02 | Jamsi | Not in Australia jim :) |
| 03:21.02 | jim | LAMP to openacs |
| 03:21.06 | jim | yes you can |
| 03:21.19 | jim | it's in the US, so you send them money |
| 03:21.29 | jim | it's not to your house |
| 03:21.31 | Jamsi | oh yeah, I know about dedicated servers |
| 03:21.39 | Jamsi | I rent one myself |
| 03:21.58 | Jamsi | thought we were talking about home internet connections here |
| 03:22.10 | jim | well he was :) |
| 03:22.13 | Jamsi | :) |
| 03:22.31 | Jamsi | jim, what company charges $30 a month for a dedicated server? |
| 03:22.36 | michal_ | jim: my goal is to set up a xen based bax with a virtual spam/virus scanner gateway along with a few other virtualized mail related systems (ie webmail).. and a seperate and ultra slim mailserver for each company we do mailhosting for. |
| 03:22.38 | jim | michal_: do more of that |
| 03:22.56 | *** join/#debian benjamindees (~benjamind@ip24-253-228-10.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 03:23.11 | benjamindees | can anyone point me to docs on building a kernel "the debian way"? |
| 03:23.22 | Pryon | man make-kpkg |
| 03:23.32 | Jamsi | What do you mean, the debian way |
| 03:23.34 | jim | benjamindees: sure, /msg dpkg kp |
| 03:23.42 | michal_ | benjamindees: apt-get install kernel-package. then read the docs |
| 03:23.50 | jim | Jamsi, /msg dpkg kp |
| 03:23.52 | Xenguy | General question, 'NFS vs. Samba' - any pros and cons for sharing files between 2 linux boxen? |
| 03:24.00 | shingouz | !tell benjamindees about kernel-package |
| 03:24.01 | *** join/#debian mwilson (C23gpzbq@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 03:24.10 | Jamsi | Xenguy, nfs is easier to set up |
| 03:24.23 | Xenguy | Jamsi: OK, any 'cons' ? |
| 03:24.25 | jim | samba is windows shares |
| 03:24.32 | shingouz | Xenguy: and nfs is insecure as hell |
| 03:24.36 | jim | there's one |
| 03:24.44 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 03:25.07 | Xenguy | but NFS is probably safe enough on a trusted internal network (i.e. home, 2 PC's ;-) |
| 03:25.11 | Jamsi | yup |
| 03:25.20 | jim | so you wouldn't want to expose outside an internal net |
| 03:25.28 | Xenguy | nod |
| 03:25.28 | shingouz | Xenguy: yes if the computers are off all the time |
| 03:25.32 | Belboz | well, I'm going to see if I can't get my onboard nic working again, later |
| 03:25.33 | Jamsi | haha |
| 03:25.48 | Xenguy | shingouz: you are really not an NFS fan ;-) |
| 03:25.55 | michal_ | what's a decent lowest common denominator as far as smt auth goes? i'm currently using plain because that's what the clients are all configured for but I want to migrate to something more secure |
| 03:26.01 | shingouz | Xenguy: what makes you think that |
| 03:26.09 | deadcat | make-kpkg kernel-image | tee logfile 2>&1 : will this send the error to that file as well? |
| 03:26.17 | Guerin | michal_: plain over tls is fine |
| 03:26.25 | Xenguy | shingouz: keen observation =) |
| 03:26.27 | tengulre | how to config /etc/rc2.d/...? |
| 03:26.31 | Guerin | michal_: it's much easier than any of the encrypted flavours |
| 03:26.32 | tengulre | chkconfig |
| 03:26.33 | tengulre | ? |
| 03:26.35 | michal_ | guerin: and all mail clients can do tls? tls == ssl ? |
| 03:26.46 | shingouz | Xenguy: ;) |
| 03:26.51 | Guerin | michal_: if they can't they're not worth using. All the main ones can. |
| 03:26.53 | deadcat | tengulre: update-rc.d |
| 03:27.03 | jim | benjamindees: basic process, configure the kernel source, then (where you would normally run all those makes) run the script, it builds kernel and modules for you and packages everything (incl the .config) into a .deb |
| 03:27.06 | Face_Fantastic | What's an excellent gui besides Gnome and KDE? |
| 03:27.12 | deadcat | tengulre: or rcconfig or something like that if you prefer ncurse based |
| 03:27.13 | michal_ | guerin: well i don't get to choose them.. most clients use outlook express or outlook.. going back to outlook 97 |
| 03:27.31 | jim | Face_Fantastic: such a gui has several charactistics... |
| 03:27.37 | jim | er |
| 03:27.38 | deadcat | Face_Fantastic: xfce4, or try a window manager like wmaker/fluxbox/openbox/blackbox/icewm/E/... |
| 03:27.38 | Guerin | I'm pretty sure they do. I know outlook does these days. |
| 03:27.39 | *** join/#debian Gumby (~gumby@gumby.user) |
| 03:27.40 | michal_ | thought thankfully outlook 97 is rare |
| 03:27.41 | Face_Fantastic | I heard about one that looked beautiful and just rocked, but I forgot it's name. |
| 03:27.48 | Guerin | even OE does tls |
| 03:27.53 | benjamindees | thank you jim, michal_, shingouz |
| 03:27.57 | Face_Fantastic | Maybe it was xfce4 |
| 03:27.57 | tengulre | deadcat, have not rcconfig command? |
| 03:27.59 | *** join/#debian valdyn_ (~valdyn@p54991C0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:28.13 | nvz | Face_Fantastic: who said they were excellent? and they are a DE not a GUI, a GUI could be anything |
| 03:28.13 | Face_Fantastic | the one I heard about was streamlined but simple. |
| 03:28.16 | deadcat | tengulre: i dont know. apt-cache search it. i am not sure thats how the command is called. |
| 03:28.24 | Face_Fantastic | Desktop Environment I mean. |
| 03:28.25 | *** join/#debian covux (~kenoby@p54AA3409.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:28.30 | tengulre | deadcat ,I want config the rc.d like Redhat 's chkconfig? |
| 03:28.34 | benjamindees | Face_Fantastic, blackbox (and variants) are nice |
| 03:28.38 | deadcat | tengulre: then try update-rc.d |
| 03:28.49 | jim | nvz: right, and so can what he's looking for, doesn't have to be a de |
| 03:29.06 | Face_Fantastic | is xfce4 good? |
| 03:29.07 | jim | tengulre: look into update-rc.d |
| 03:29.10 | Guerin | Face_Fantastic: xfce4 is the lightest of the DEs. |
| 03:29.15 | abrotman | there is only one beautiful rockin' gui .. ncurses! |
| 03:29.16 | Guerin | yeah, it's shit hot. |
| 03:29.18 | shingouz | Face_Fantastic: yes it is |
| 03:29.20 | deadcat | Face_Fantastic: its ok. |
| 03:29.22 | CaT[tm] | what do I need to reconfigure to control how tt fonts are handled? |
| 03:29.28 | *** join/#debian aigarius (~aigarius@159.148.239.80) |
| 03:29.34 | Face_Fantastic | I cant stand KDE |
| 03:29.43 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: fontconfig |
| 03:29.44 | Face_Fantastic | It's just too much |
| 03:29.47 | jim | out of interest, why? |
| 03:29.47 | deadcat | Face_Fantastic: try xfce4 then. and stop bitching |
| 03:29.55 | shingouz | welcome to the club Face_Fantastic |
| 03:29.56 | Face_Fantastic | Thanks for the help, I'll look into blackbox and xfce4 |
| 03:30.03 | Face_Fantastic | Not bitching my friend, just exploring. |
| 03:30.06 | tengulre | and other question! |
| 03:30.11 | Face_Fantastic | New to linux. |
| 03:30.18 | nvz | jim: glxgears is a GUI, to show video performance, gtkrecover is a gui to recover, gtkpod is a gui for managing an ipod..etc |
| 03:30.20 | deadcat | Face_Fantastic: fluxbox has much more shits blackbox has. |
| 03:30.20 | tengulre | how start Xwindow! |
| 03:30.25 | deadcat | tengulre: startx |
| 03:30.27 | shingouz | startx |
| 03:30.45 | jim | Face_FantasticL then learn where the REAL power of linux lies... -command line shell- |
| 03:30.47 | tengulre | I have not startx command still |
| 03:31.00 | jim | tengulre: do you have X |
| 03:31.08 | Face_Fantastic | s'what I'm trying to do jim |
| 03:31.10 | tengulre | yes, I installed it! |
| 03:31.17 | Face_Fantastic | it will take some time, but I enjoy it. |
| 03:31.18 | deadcat | tengulre: apt-get install x-window-system-core xterm fluxbox openbox wmaker icewm |
| 03:31.34 | jim | Face_Fantastic: do you program? |
| 03:31.35 | CaT[tm] | guerin: thanks. |
| 03:31.36 | tengulre | deadcat, thk u, I try it! |
| 03:31.37 | *** join/#debian windowmaker (~windowmak@c211-28-207-79.eburwd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 03:31.46 | Face_Fantastic | jim: no sir, but i'd like to start. |
| 03:32.00 | jim | Face_Fantastic: you -might- enjoy squeak |
| 03:32.26 | jim | it's a window with an environment, which itself is an object... |
| 03:32.42 | windowmaker | lol, i tried dual booting windows with linux, and after alot of trial and error (and re-installation), i finally got them both to work in grub, but now, the sound server doesn't work |
| 03:32.54 | *** join/#debian t4dyce (~t4dyce@c-24-98-93-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 03:33.04 | jim | and since it's an object you can explore its data and code... or not: you can put other objects on it which you can explore thier data and code |
| 03:33.05 | deadcat | windowmaker: whats that got to do with dual booting? |
| 03:33.09 | windowmaker | there's no DSP in /dev, just dsp0 to dsp3... the actual dsp in /dev, is just a symlink to dsp0 |
| 03:33.25 | windowmaker | no idea, i thoguht it jsut might help bceause somehow it screwed up when re-installing |
| 03:33.32 | benjamindees | windowmaker, shouldn't be a problem |
| 03:33.38 | jim | Face_Fantastic: squeak is based on the very first ever OOP language |
| 03:33.54 | windowmaker | benjamindees: but i like my noise :( |
| 03:33.56 | *** join/#debian Esaj (~jason@jdd30.joh.cam.ac.uk) |
| 03:34.00 | tengulre | deadcat, I mounted the debian disc, then how install Xwindows packages? |
| 03:34.03 | benjamindees | windowmaker, what sound server? |
| 03:34.14 | *** part/#debian gba (~gba@p50849BC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:34.20 | windowmaker | benjamindees: please don't scream at me, i'm using KDE |
| 03:34.26 | deadcat | tengulre: you dont mount the shit. just apt-get install those. i gave you the command dammit |
| 03:34.37 | benjamindees | windowmaker, yeah, I am too, and I figured as much :) |
| 03:34.42 | deadcat | benjamindees: alsa dont need sound server right? |
| 03:34.59 | windowmaker | benjamindees: arts has stuffed up before, last time i got alsa working pretty good, it did everything except for play the notification noises |
| 03:35.00 | benjamindees | deadcat, *shrug*, kde does I think... |
| 03:35.05 | deadcat | doh |
| 03:35.29 | jim | tengulre: is english your first language? would you be more comfortable speaking to someone in your first language, if not? |
| 03:35.50 | *** join/#debian tim_h (~Tim@p54A1CED5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:36.21 | *** join/#debian MrNaz (~pirch@203-206-237-194.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 03:36.21 | *** join/#debian mrj0hn (~k0rg@209.13.215.232) |
| 03:36.44 | *** join/#debian seven_six_two (~fathead@toronto-HSE-ppp4072812.sympatico.ca) |
| 03:36.50 | benjamindees | windowmaker, that may be a kde bug; does sound work in other programs? |
| 03:36.52 | nvz | going to misuse the resources of the xbox, to play low-resolution intellivision games :) |
| 03:36.53 | *** part/#debian mrj0hn (~k0rg@209.13.215.232) |
| 03:37.07 | windowmaker | benjamindees: nope, not at all |
| 03:37.14 | t4dyce | hi all |
| 03:37.24 | tengulre | deadcat, thanks! it's OK! |
| 03:37.32 | seven_six_two | is there a way, from recovery console, to re-download and re-install all the pkgs i currently have installed? without going through the whole install procedure again? |
| 03:37.44 | seven_six_two | like a full forced refresh? |
| 03:37.45 | windowmaker | benjamindees: i'm using kernel 2.4.27 now, and i'm compiling 2.6.11.11 at this moment |
| 03:37.49 | tengulre | I m use debian first:) |
| 03:38.01 | m_ | If I try to ping 1234 it pings my local host, or if I type ssh blahblah it trys and connects to server blahblah (but to my internet ip). noen of my interfaces are on my internet ip because I go through a gateway |
| 03:38.03 | m_ | wahts'g oign ? |
| 03:38.06 | m_ | what's goign on? |
| 03:38.18 | Nurbs | windowmaker: why not 2.6.12.1? |
| 03:38.22 | deadcat | windowmaker: theres 2.6.12 |
| 03:38.24 | tengulre | so , I have many questions:) |
| 03:38.34 | jim | seven_six_two: you could get a list of all packages that are fully installed, then loop thru them, installing the package |
| 03:38.40 | windowmaker | Nurbs: 2.6.12 is out? |
| 03:38.46 | Nurbs | finger @kernel.org |
| 03:38.58 | windowmaker | Nurbs: meh, too late now, it's been compiling for over 40 mins i guess, so it ahs to be almost done |
| 03:39.12 | seven_six_two | jim: that sounds good, but is there an easy manual on that specific function? |
| 03:39.19 | *** part/#debian CaT[tm] (~cat@CPE-144-136-100-100.nsw.bigpond.net.au) |
| 03:39.52 | jim | seven_six_two: not that I know of. the only way I know of to do that is to compose a program (well, short script) to do it |
| 03:40.02 | t4dyce | I am new to debian, is there a package that allows you to change |
| 03:40.15 | t4dyce | hardware |
| 03:40.37 | jim | there's a package that zaps your soldering iron into a power saw! |
| 03:40.42 | benjamindees | windowmaker, I pretty much just use oss on Sarge... |
| 03:40.46 | deadcat | t4dyce: no. but you can open the case yourself |
| 03:40.47 | Pepina | heh |
| 03:40.57 | windowmaker | lmfao |
| 03:41.09 | windowmaker | benjamindees: how would i do that? |
| 03:41.15 | jim | bet you thought that was impossible, too :P |
| 03:41.22 | deadcat | windowmaker: 2.4 default is oss, 2.6 is alsa |
| 03:41.22 | seven_six_two | jim: thanks. I am incapable of doing that, so i may be reinstalling. i have a net install cd from before sarge went stable. is there a new one now for unstable or testing? |
| 03:41.34 | jim | seven_six_two: are not :) |
| 03:41.50 | windowmaker | deadcat: ehhh? |
| 03:41.57 | chealer | seven_six_two: the newest d-i release is "RC3" |
| 03:42.15 | jim | chealer: what kernel does that use |
| 03:42.25 | benjamindees | windowmaker, open up kcontrol, change arts to use oss, click on 'test sound' |
| 03:42.26 | *** join/#debian MrRagga (~MrRagga@p54A52177.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:42.34 | chealer | 2.4.27/2.6.8 (i386) |
| 03:42.36 | windowmaker | i did that before, didn't work |
| 03:42.49 | jim | seven_six_two: let's back up just one sec... |
| 03:43.01 | jim | what are you trying to accomplish exactly? |
| 03:43.17 | *** join/#debian dave0 (~dave0000@142.151.182.197) |
| 03:43.22 | *** part/#debian dave0 (~dave0000@142.151.182.197) |
| 03:43.23 | benjamindees | windowmaker, if you do that, then all your apps will have to use arts |
| 03:43.26 | windowmaker | benjamindees: device /dev/dsp cannot be opened (no such device) |
| 03:43.45 | benjamindees | windowmaker, what sound card do you have? |
| 03:43.57 | *** join/#debian jasz (~jasz3@adsl-215-186-174.aep.bellsouth.net) |
| 03:44.02 | windowmaker | benjamindees: onboard realtek ac'97 |
| 03:44.20 | benjamindees | windowmaker, and if you choose alsa, same error? |
| 03:44.27 | windowmaker | benjamindees: yes |
| 03:44.29 | jim | chealer: I heard about two d-i monolithics that use 2.6.11, one that trave11er did and another one that is a business card cd image |
| 03:44.47 | seven_six_two | jim: when i boot, i get to gdm loging screen, but i can't login since every key i press changes my video mode but doesn't send letters to screen |
| 03:44.48 | *** part/#debian jasz (~jasz3@adsl-215-186-174.aep.bellsouth.net) |
| 03:44.53 | *** part/#debian samuel (~samuel@201.144.112.3) |
| 03:44.59 | *** join/#debian samuel (~samuel@201.144.112.3) |
| 03:45.10 | benjamindees | windowmaker, sounds like there's no module loaded, 'lsmod |grep snd' |
| 03:45.17 | jim | chealer: are you aware of either sufficiently you could tell me where? (well I think I know where trave11er's is) |
| 03:45.20 | seven_six_two | the error i see says to run install-keymap which i do in recovery console to no effect |
| 03:45.23 | mwilson | <sigh> Why does the Gnome meta-package end up installing udev? |
| 03:45.47 | jim | seven_six_two: ok, so you're saying you're having a problem that you're trying to solve involving your display |
| 03:45.51 | *** join/#debian pingouin (~pingouin@ALille-251-1-82-27.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 03:45.54 | jim | is that right? |
| 03:45.55 | mwilson | I wish you could set a package state on an uninstalled package. |
| 03:45.56 | bucky | because the nifty new gnome file browser uses udev |
| 03:46.03 | windowmaker | benjamindees: comes up with nothing |
| 03:46.17 | mwilson | If a file browser uses udev, then it is fundamentally broken. |
| 03:46.21 | seven_six_two | yes |
| 03:46.28 | bucky | in case you have files on a usb key or some other equally disgusting thing |
| 03:46.30 | benjamindees | windowmaker, so you're going to have to find your chipset and make sure there's a driver |
| 03:46.44 | chealer | jim: are you asking about official stuff, or what? |
| 03:46.54 | trave11er | jim: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/06/msg00967.html |
| 03:46.54 | *** join/#debian Penix (~wenas@penix.user) |
| 03:47.00 | *** join/#debian sycj (~t4dyce@c-24-98-93-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 03:47.04 | *** join/#debian tim_h__ (~Tim@p54A1C5EB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:47.10 | mwilson | I'm not about to allow any more d'Itri-maintained software on my box than I have to. |
| 03:47.14 | windowmaker | benjamindees: i selected it in alsa in qconf when configuring the kernel that i'm compiling right now |
| 03:47.15 | mwilson | Certainly not udev. |
| 03:47.20 | benjamindees | windowmaker, 'lspci |grep audio' |
| 03:47.25 | jim | chealer: well RC3 is the official one, but I'm looking for 2.6.11 netinstalls that can install sarge stable |
| 03:47.35 | benjamindees | windowmaker, ah |
| 03:47.47 | windowmaker | benjamindees: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 03:47.49 | jim | trave11er: thanks |
| 03:47.51 | chealer | jim: then I don't know |
| 03:48.01 | windowmaker | benjamindees: that's the one i selected ^_^ |
| 03:48.23 | *** join/#debian felipe__ (~felipe@200.21.73.234) |
| 03:48.37 | jim | chealer: ok, thanks anyway; trave11er has found the message at http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/06/msg00967.html |
| 03:49.35 | *** join/#debian grepper (~robert@ip216-239-89-27.vif.net) |
| 03:50.38 | windowmaker | benjamindees: w00t, done compiling |
| 03:51.19 | *** join/#debian qolume (~netwalker@adsl-62-167-117-183.adslplus.ch) |
| 03:51.21 | jim | seven_six_two: is part of what you want to do, to make sure everything you have is from latest stable, as released for sarge? |
| 03:52.13 | seven_six_two | well, either do a reinstall of all currently installed pkgs or move up to testing |
| 03:52.14 | *** join/#debian hogwash (~chatzilla@c-24-147-98-66.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 03:53.17 | hogwash | hlp pls: trying to install NDISWRAPPER to use my wireless drivers from windows. Where do I get NDIS and how to I install it with my drivers? |
| 03:54.11 | *** join/#debian pazzok (~jan@p548DDE09.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:55.17 | hogwash | hello? |
| 03:55.20 | hogwash | anyone there? |
| 03:55.21 | jim | seven_six_two: try this: |
| 03:55.26 | simonrvn | no. no one here |
| 03:55.35 | jim | I'm not there! I'm here! |
| 03:55.36 | hogwash | hah |
| 03:55.38 | hogwash | hlp pls: trying to install NDISWRAPPER to use my wireless drivers from windows. Where do I get NDIS and how to I install it with my drivers? |
| 03:55.38 | simonrvn | we're all ghosts, come to haunt you |
| 03:55.48 | simonrvn | no need to repeat it... |
| 03:55.53 | *** join/#debian dn4 (~dynebolic@ip70-186-97-10.ma.dl.cox.net) |
| 03:55.54 | jim | pots peereeting! |
| 03:55.57 | hogwash | ah |
| 03:56.08 | seven_six_two | k |
| 03:56.25 | dn4 | how do I go into a stripped down distro of debian and upgrade the kernel so that it can use the internet and such from there?/ |
| 03:56.26 | benjamindees | hmm, apt doesn't seem to be honoring Default Release::"sarge" anymore |
| 03:56.36 | *** join/#debian wobbler (wayne@wobbler.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 03:56.39 | simonrvn | do some reading on the ndiswrappers shit first.. |
| 03:57.01 | hogwash | well.. i went to sourceforge and the site is under maintenance, so cant download the code |
| 03:57.06 | *** part/#debian RedPenguin (~GodFather@207-255-19-254-dhcp.jst.pa.atlanticbb.net) |
| 03:57.10 | jim | seven_six_two: grep "^\ *deb" /etc/apt/sources.list | head -1 |
| 03:57.25 | hogwash | then i was going to follow the wiki installation instructions, but there isn't any on the link |
| 03:57.30 | hogwash | so that is why i am here |
| 03:57.40 | jim | seven_six_two: you should get one line; show that line |
| 03:58.20 | *** join/#debian sky_man (stefan@pD90234AC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:58.45 | seven_six_two | i'm on a different pc...one sec |
| 03:59.22 | rob_lt | dn4, you can get the .deb from here, and then install with dpkg. Just write the .deb to a CD or something. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 03:59.45 | *** join/#debian cahoot (~radix@h198n2fls31o952.telia.com) |
| 04:00.06 | dn4 | thank you rob_lt :) |
| 04:00.27 | *** join/#debian elkid (~elkid@elkid.user) |
| 04:00.58 | elkid | hey somebody with kde 3.4.1? |
| 04:01.15 | *** part/#debian felipe__ (~felipe@200.21.73.234) |
| 04:01.25 | hogwash | how can i check to see if it's installed already ? ndis? |
| 04:01.33 | elkid | getting some weird message when i tried to delete some file |
| 04:01.34 | dn4 | rob_lt, I am on a athalon 800 instead of intel :( |
| 04:01.43 | chealer | !topic smite elkid |
| 04:01.45 | jim | elkid: there is no one here who has both kde 3.4.1 and a bale of hay |
| 04:01.46 | chealer | !topicsmite elkid |
| 04:01.47 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon elkid. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:02.30 | rob_lt | dn4, just go to packages.debian.org and search for the package you want. |
| 04:02.42 | hanz | how do i ip alias in 2.6.x kernel.. i heard that the ifconfig eth0:0 is no longer applicable or recommended? |
| 04:02.50 | jim | can read that topic! I'm too myopic, and it's microscopic, that microscopic topic! |
| 04:02.51 | rob_lt | dn4, you can select stable/testing/unstabble to search for the package name. |
| 04:03.03 | elkid | :> |
| 04:03.03 | seven_six_two | jim: the one line is: deb ftp://mirror.direct.ca/pub/linux/debian/ testing main |
| 04:03.07 | chealer | dpkg: kde3.4 is also not supported anywhere, *particularly* #debian |
| 04:03.07 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
| 04:03.07 | *** join/#debian abydos (~asittler@cus63-79-27-75.sentco.net) |
| 04:03.31 | jim | seven_six_two: ok, you're pointed at testing, you probably don't want that |
| 04:03.41 | *** join/#debian K1LL3R_DO6 (k1ll3rdo6@200.90.171.149) |
| 04:03.58 | jim | seven_six_two: stable ok for now? |
| 04:04.14 | seven_six_two | well i guess if it works. i got the software i needed |
| 04:04.39 | *** part/#debian K1LL3R_DO6 (k1ll3rdo6@200.90.171.149) |
| 04:04.59 | *** join/#debian alfrede_ (~alfrede@p5086274C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:05.06 | seven_six_two | i tried dpkg --get-selections > packages && dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 04:05.25 | seven_six_two | but it didn't reinstall everything unfortunately |
| 04:06.01 | benjamindees | has the syntax for apt.conf changed lately? |
| 04:06.11 | *** join/#debian mousy (~me@p54990C0D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:06.26 | jim | (warnings about weird stuff happening apply for using anything but stable... blanket statement here; exceptions could apply... also, certain combinations people here won't want to help with, making some stuff unsupportable) |
| 04:07.03 | jim | seven_six_two: and having said all that, you should be free to do what you want |
| 04:07.11 | chealer | benjamindees: what about telling what you have there? |
| 04:07.21 | *** join/#debian deepfrze (~chatzilla@wnpgmb01dc2-36-155.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 04:07.25 | *** join/#debian Jebediah (~jebediah@adsl-63-200-36-82.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 04:07.31 | jim | seven_six_two: so if you want to stick with stable for now... let's do that first |
| 04:07.37 | *** join/#debian sycj (~t4dyce@c-24-98-93-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 04:07.45 | *** join/#debian ghstDncr (~ghstDncr@206.Red-83-46-120.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 04:07.48 | seven_six_two | jim: i understand. i used 3.04 r4 before and it was a pain trying to get apg going |
| 04:08.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 765] by debhelper |
| 04:08.04 | seven_six_two | but now that sarge is stable, i am ok with it |
| 04:08.10 | jim | what you want to do is edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:08.24 | jim | and everywhere it says testing, replace with sarge |
| 04:08.49 | seven_six_two | will that remove new stuff? i need mplayer and mencoder |
| 04:08.58 | elkid | gona remove kde 3.4 ... |
| 04:09.04 | jim | seven_six_two: not that I know of |
| 04:09.17 | *** join/#debian gullyfoyle (jon@64.252.19.138) |
| 04:09.22 | *** join/#debian rj-away (~booto@rawmode.org) |
| 04:09.24 | jim | but if it does we'll figure that part out |
| 04:09.24 | seven_six_two | ok what do i do after editing sources? |
| 04:09.43 | benjamindees | chealer, it started out as testing, and should have been updated to sarge |
| 04:09.58 | jim | two steps, first you tell it to read in a "database" of packages by saying "apt-get update" |
| 04:10.09 | *** join/#debian edward_ (~edward@pool2.tiscali.nl) |
| 04:10.32 | jim | do that step now; want to make sure all your sources are working |
| 04:10.32 | chealer | benjamindees: hum, is your apt.conf so big that you can't paste it? |
| 04:10.34 | seven_six_two | i have sid sources too... |
| 04:10.42 | jim | ugh :) |
| 04:10.45 | seven_six_two | lol |
| 04:10.49 | seven_six_two | i can dd them |
| 04:10.51 | *** join/#debian SaratogaCx (SaratogaCx@c-24-16-238-47.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 04:10.53 | benjamindees | chealer, no, that's all I have in it, the Default-Release, hold on |
| 04:11.00 | jim | I don't know how to support sid |
| 04:11.15 | seven_six_two | the sid sources are just for videolan |
| 04:11.18 | jim | I'm going to suggest to you that for the moment, you comment the sid sources out |
| 04:11.26 | seven_six_two | i'll remove them |
| 04:11.57 | SaratogaCx | Hi everyone, I'm having some nvidia driver troubles. Is anyone willing to give me a hand? |
| 04:12.02 | jim | unless the videolan thing is dependent on packages that might get removed, it shouldn't hurt to comment them out |
| 04:12.08 | seven_six_two | does the same go for marillat? |
| 04:12.11 | benjamindees | chealer, "stable" seems to work though |
| 04:12.13 | chealer | SaratogaCx: only if you ask |
| 04:12.17 | chealer | benjamindees: right |
| 04:12.21 | *** join/#debian lordlamer (~lordlamer@p548C4A38.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:12.36 | jim | seven_six_two: make sure you can get the sarge marilat (sp?) |
| 04:12.37 | chealer | videolan is in sarge now |
| 04:12.46 | seven_six_two | i have debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 04:12.55 | *** join/#debian kiya (~kiya@wnpgmb01dc2-99-82.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 04:12.58 | seven_six_two | oh it's different? |
| 04:13.13 | SaratogaCx | Can someone please help me with installing my nVidia drivers? I'm running Sarge 3.1 (2.4.27) and I'm getting an error where it can't make nvidia.o. |
| 04:13.18 | jim | replace testing with stable there (or temporarily comment out the source) |
| 04:13.24 | seven_six_two | ok |
| 04:13.39 | chealer | SaratogaCx: at which step? |
| 04:13.50 | trave11er | SaratogaCx: did you do /msg dpkg nvidia already ? |
| 04:14.04 | SaratogaCx | in the build process |
| 04:14.13 | jim | once you've done making all the decisions, it's time to save the file, exit the editor and read in the package lists (this will also test the sources to some degree) |
| 04:14.18 | *** join/#debian _root_ (~Unknown@dsl-Chn-static-151.41.101.203.touchtelindia.net) |
| 04:14.24 | jim | apt-get update |
| 04:14.30 | chealer | SaratogaCx: does that mean you're installing with nvidia-installer? |
| 04:14.35 | SaratogaCx | yes |
| 04:14.45 | chealer | !tell SaratogaCx about nvidia-installer |
| 04:15.08 | Esaj | hmm, anyone know why my fonts have gone small all of a sudden - since the last update in unstable? |
| 04:15.21 | SaratogaCx | Thanks |
| 04:15.23 | benjamindees | chealer, heh, good thing I noticed that :) |
| 04:15.53 | jim | Esaj: it's made your eyes or monitor unstable! or your feet! |
| 04:16.10 | Esaj | hehe |
| 04:16.28 | seven_six_two | ok it worked |
| 04:16.41 | *** join/#debian m_ (~m@24-52-166-190.lndnnh.adelphia.net) |
| 04:16.41 | Esaj | everything changed to helvetica I think |
| 04:16.45 | gullyfoyle | maybe your monitor got bigger |
| 04:16.45 | jim | seriously... unstable is hard for me to support because I don't run it |
| 04:17.17 | jim | you were probably watching some pr0n, and your monitor turned on... |
| 04:17.39 | seven_six_two | jim: the sources are updated |
| 04:17.43 | jim | seven_six_two: ok, try this: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:18.10 | sycj | I am trying to run flightgear on debian 3.1 I received this error message: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 04:18.12 | jim | it'll give you a chance to say no |
| 04:18.14 | seven_six_two | nothing to upgrade |
| 04:18.40 | benjamindees | sound support is quite nice in sarge |
| 04:19.09 | gullyfoyle | ah kin play toons |
| 04:19.17 | jim | ok, so: here's what we know: your system seems to be uptodate (or maybe more towards testing or unstable) and you have this funky problem with x |
| 04:19.18 | benjamindees | linux audio isn't the pita it was even just a year ago |
| 04:19.21 | *** join/#debian mrcoyote_ (~mrcoyote@AAnnecy-251-1-71-89.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 04:19.37 | seven_six_two | thats all true |
| 04:19.53 | chealer | sycj: do you have DRI working? |
| 04:20.08 | *** join/#debian anacaona (~nadine@MTL-HSE-ppp187560.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 04:20.09 | sycj | glxgears works |
| 04:20.10 | jim | seven_six_two: so now we have to determine the problem |
| 04:20.23 | chealer | sycj: that doesn't help, try glxinfo instead |
| 04:20.27 | seven_six_two | yes |
| 04:20.54 | seven_six_two | apt-get reinstall-everything |
| 04:20.55 | jim | I'll just ask you first: describe exactly what you see, and what you think the problem is or might be |
| 04:21.12 | jim | that's not necessarily going to help |
| 04:21.22 | *** part/#debian ghstDncr (~ghstDncr@206.Red-83-46-120.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 04:21.37 | sycj | glx info: this is in the second line Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 04:21.43 | seven_six_two | well, it looks normal until i try to type, when every keypress acts like ctrl+alt++ |
| 04:22.01 | seven_six_two | changing between 1024x768 800x600 etc |
| 04:22.08 | jim | that seems to be a keymap thing |
| 04:22.14 | chealer | sycj: so, looks like DRI isn't working |
| 04:22.22 | jim | well that would be my guess anyway |
| 04:22.22 | seven_six_two | but only with gui |
| 04:22.31 | jim | what keyboard? how is it connected |
| 04:22.32 | jim | ? |
| 04:22.39 | anacaona | hello! |
| 04:22.48 | jim | hi |
| 04:22.55 | sycj | direct rendering: No, any ideas to fix this |
| 04:22.57 | anacaona | is there anyway to know which cd a particular debian package is located on. |
| 04:22.58 | seven_six_two | it's a logitech wireless desktop |
| 04:23.13 | seven_six_two | part of the cordless mx duo |
| 04:23.14 | *** join/#debian Sunblade (user@a194-109-229-13.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 04:23.23 | *** join/#debian Vect0r (~Vec@rrba-146-65-167.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 04:23.26 | anacaona | specifics: i want to install debiana on my really old laptop, and use ndiswrapper for it to recognize my wireless card. |
| 04:23.35 | jim | seven_six_two: ok, how is the connection made to the computer |
| 04:23.53 | jim | debianacaona? |
| 04:24.10 | anacaona | i know there's an ndiswrapper package (as on packages.debian.org), but considering there are 15 debian install isos i wanted to know which one it was on. |
| 04:24.15 | chealer | sycj: what graphics card do you have? |
| 04:24.29 | anacaona | debianacaona - nope. just anacaona! :-) |
| 04:24.32 | seven_six_two | ps1 |
| 04:24.53 | jim | anacaona: you could avoid getting any cd images and just get the package from a mirror on the net... |
| 04:24.53 | seven_six_two | i think that's what it's called. the little round plug |
| 04:24.56 | *** join/#debian slf (~slf@c-24-23-229-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:25.03 | jim | seven_six_two: ps/2 |
| 04:25.08 | slf | wassup |
| 04:25.14 | seven_six_two | yeah thats it |
| 04:25.15 | jim | mouse is on one also? |
| 04:25.18 | seven_six_two | yes |
| 04:25.20 | samuel | ok, its an out of the way question, i know... im trying to install gnome on an apple osx, and ive installed gnome-desktop and gdm, but i have no idea how to stop aqua from booting, ive edited /etc/rc as some websites suggest, but had no effect, any ideas plz? |
| 04:25.26 | seven_six_two | mouse works fine in x |
| 04:25.47 | samuel | and i have tried asking in #macosx, but they didnt like the question, lol |
| 04:25.50 | jim | that's strange... |
| 04:25.58 | *** join/#debian BlueShift (~justin@210.213.129.161) |
| 04:26.03 | *** join/#debian teco (~wheel@218-160-77-154.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 04:26.17 | seven_six_two | i tried install-keymap pc104 |
| 04:26.23 | simy | how can i remove a package, and all the dependecys of that package that are no longer needed? |
| 04:26.32 | jim | and did that have any effect? |
| 04:26.54 | seven_six_two | then rebooted and it does the same thing, then tried install-keymap KERNEL with no effect |
| 04:27.07 | sycj | I am new to debian and this box is just from ebay. do i need to up the driver once I find the card type |
| 04:27.27 | Gumby | !wiki |
| 04:27.49 | chealer | sycj: what do you mean by "up"? |
| 04:27.52 | benjamindees | sycj, it may be automatically detected, but yeah |
| 04:28.04 | trave11er | simy: there is no "built-in" way to do that |
| 04:28.08 | anacaona | jim: true, but i'm still curious as to how to figure out which cd its on... it seems it should be part of the info |
| 04:28.34 | trave11er | simy: but there are packages like debfoster and deborphan, which will try to find packages, that nothing depends on |
| 04:28.38 | simy | trave11er: ok, well is there a way to remove just a package, and all its installd space? |
| 04:28.44 | jim | seven_six_two: it looks like you're trying the right things |
| 04:28.51 | *** join/#debian nz17 (~sean@69.146.120.20) |
| 04:28.56 | trave11er | simy: yes, apt-get remove <package> |
| 04:28.59 | *** join/#debian penguinboy (~penguinbo@24-159-145-55.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com) |
| 04:29.06 | penguinboy | www.penguinboy.us |
| 04:29.08 | sycj | my box is a dell optiplex gx200 (I ment update) |
| 04:29.09 | *** part/#debian penguinboy (~penguinbo@24-159-145-55.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com) |
| 04:29.17 | seven_six_two | knowing that makes me happier than the results ;) |
| 04:29.18 | trave11er | simy: or apt-get --purge remove <package>, if you want to remove both the package and any configuration files |
| 04:29.20 | nz17 | How can I use an unmodified application to output audio with jack? |
| 04:29.30 | simy | well the problem is that noatun would lock my dev/dsp but xmms wont, i just want to remuve noatun to make sure u dont run it again, and whats the point of having a depency that well, isnt dependant anymore, yaknow? |
| 04:29.32 | *** join/#debian xcyborg (~xcyborg@82.78.101.9) |
| 04:29.39 | simy | trave11er ok thank you:) |
| 04:29.53 | trave11er | simy: np |
| 04:29.56 | chealer | trave11er: debfoster doesn't really work like that...it's much like what simy is looking for |
| 04:30.11 | trave11er | chealer: oh |
| 04:30.13 | *** join/#debian metzen (~metzen@pool-151-202-50-21.ny325.east.verizon.net) |
| 04:30.39 | simy | if i have to find them and remoe them manually thats fine,. if it finds a package that i dont need, thats perfect! |
| 04:31.21 | simy | chealer what do you mean? |
| 04:31.37 | nvz | trave11er: they are for different things |
| 04:31.43 | chealer | simy: I'd check debfoster's full description |
| 04:31.47 | jim | seven_six_two: what else can you do to try to discover the problem? |
| 04:32.00 | simy | debian.org's site you mean? |
| 04:32.19 | *** join/#debian grepper (~robert@ip216-239-89-89.vif.net) |
| 04:32.24 | jim | anacaona: do you actually have the cds? |
| 04:32.40 | *** join/#debian bakalaika (~bakalaika@203.125.165.17) |
| 04:32.40 | chealer | sycj: you probably need to *install* them. but find what's the card anyway |
| 04:33.53 | nvz | trave11er: deborphan is to list orphaned packages which nothing depends on.. where debfoster keeps track of installed pacakges, and those you _want_ installed, and if something is no longer needed it will tell you so you can remove it. they are both for keeping a clean system free of unneeded/wanted packages though |
| 04:34.11 | *** join/#debian S4NDM4N (t7DS@201-1-151-249.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 04:34.16 | S4NDM4N | hi all |
| 04:34.32 | trave11er | nvz: ok, good to know |
| 04:34.32 | anacaona | jim: well, i'm burning cd 3 as we speak, and i have the images for 4 and 5 waitin on my hard drive. |
| 04:34.52 | sycj | the card that was automatically is a "vesa" card |
| 04:35.04 | nvz | trave11er: an orphan is a package that has no other pachages depending on it, a foster package is a package you are installing to satisfy another, but dont really want. |
| 04:35.07 | jim | anacaona: do you have a quick net connection? |
| 04:35.23 | chealer | sycj: hum, that's just the driver's name |
| 04:35.25 | nvz | trave11er: like mwilson and udev :P |
| 04:35.27 | anacaona | jim: relatively speaking, yes. |
| 04:35.35 | trave11er | nvz: :-)) |
| 04:35.49 | jim | you don't need the cd images then :) your networking up? |
| 04:36.21 | anacaona | jim: oh, for the install pc - no, no internet connection. |
| 04:36.49 | anacaona | jim: that's the thing, i have to get it to recognize the wireless card first, and then i'll have internet. |
| 04:36.56 | sycj | is there any debian utility that will display the card info? |
| 04:37.02 | *** join/#debian simonrvn (simon@simonrvn.user) |
| 04:37.04 | jim | anacaona: oic |
| 04:37.19 | nvz | sycj: lspci, lsusb |
| 04:37.23 | anacaona | jim: so ideally, i'd have installed ndiswrapper and all necessary packages from the isos. |
| 04:37.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You there numb nuts? |
| 04:38.01 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here 30 |
| 04:38.01 | jim | let's see,,, there's gotta be a less bandwidth-chewing way to do this |
| 04:38.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 759] by debhelper |
| 04:38.10 | *** part/#debian teco (~wheel@218-160-77-154.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 04:38.23 | sycj | Thanks nvz |
| 04:38.31 | simonrvn | furrywolf: *poke* |
| 04:38.34 | simonrvn | afk |
| 04:38.34 | *** join/#debian johnp (~Miranda@203-173-8-49.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 04:38.35 | simonrvn | what if he has sensitive nuts? |
| 04:38.36 | furrywolf | meep! :) |
| 04:38.37 | furrywolf | cyas |
| 04:38.42 | anacaona | jim: in the debian cd faq it says they put together the packages/isos by order of popularity |
| 04:38.43 | seven_six_two | jim: well, I'm going to look through my logs again |
| 04:38.44 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here 30+ and want to do a interview...? |
| 04:38.48 | sycj | it's nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15) |
| 04:38.51 | jim | simonrvn: then he wouln't be numb nuts |
| 04:38.51 | *** part/#debian johnp (~Miranda@203-173-8-49.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 04:39.11 | furrywolf | TwistedEmotions: eh? and why would people want you to interview them? |
| 04:39.12 | anacaona | jim: so i have to kinda guess how popular ndiswrapper is on a scale of 1 to 15.. ;-) |
| 04:39.20 | *** join/#debian necro_ (necro@digital-security.org) |
| 04:39.24 | jim | TwistedEmotions: what was your childhood like? did you start out as a child? |
| 04:39.32 | anacaona | jim: i'd be much happier if i just found a plain ol' listing. |
| 04:39.38 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I dont know... I asked just so I dont have to make up the answers.. |
| 04:39.47 | TwistedEmotions | jim: hahahahha preety close.. |
| 04:39.49 | bakalaika | Instead of using "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" there was a switch that could be suffixed to the X.org binary to allow other users except the one logged on right then to start gui programs from the terminal. Can anyone tell me what that switch was because I cannot remember it |
| 04:40.10 | *** join/#debian empty (~empty@ip70-176-195-163.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 04:40.15 | jim | ok, interview over :) how was that? |
| 04:40.23 | necro_ | hey, looking for a few suggestions. i'm looking for a somewhat secure setup on central authentication among linux hosts.. i'm setup kerberos for username/password authentication. but what should i use for user information details (uid/gid/home dir/etc) .. i dont like ldap.. |
| 04:40.25 | *** join/#debian matjan_ (user@209-161-226-220.dsl.look.ca) |
| 04:40.29 | *** join/#debian Faolan (~voidal@dsl-68.174.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au) |
| 04:40.29 | necro_ | any suggestions ? :) |
| 04:40.31 | TwistedEmotions | What makes you happy? What do you like about yourself? What do you like about other people you know? |
| 04:40.36 | TwistedEmotions | That's the whole thing. |
| 04:40.54 | TwistedEmotions | Jesus... my Psyc class is dumb. |
| 04:40.56 | necro_ | ... anyone ? |
| 04:41.00 | furrywolf | Kill people named TwistedEmotions, that I can kill TwistedEmotions, and that they're not TwistedEmotions? :P |
| 04:41.10 | furrywolf | (3 questions, 3 answers!) |
| 04:41.15 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: You know... I hate you. |
| 04:41.29 | *** part/#debian Jebediah (~jebediah@adsl-63-200-36-82.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 04:41.29 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: ;) Thanks for the help.. |
| 04:41.44 | chealer | !tell necro_ about anyone |
| 04:42.02 | TwistedEmotions | basically... I am here... because if I stop talking here then I have to start working ;P And I hate this class.. |
| 04:42.07 | furrywolf | lol |
| 04:43.02 | furrywolf | you need to give the most twisted answers possible... "what makes me happy... I'm happy when... when... when I kill things. I like to watch them die. I like to watch her scream and struggle as I get out my knife. I like the blood... I like the noise the knife makes cutting through flesh..." |
| 04:43.14 | *** join/#debian joris (~joris@082-146-104-250.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) |
| 04:43.16 | TwistedEmotions | ...it's all about "Feelings"... on thursday we sat in groups of five and then one person had to stand and get complimented on their looks and then next person and next... and it couldnt be about clothes only about your body and face. |
| 04:43.17 | necro_ | chealer: is it safe to assume you have no useful answer to my question ? |
| 04:43.27 | furrywolf | if you're lucky, then you won't be in the class any longer. :P |
| 04:43.27 | matjan_ | i'm thinking of buying a scsi negative scanner (a polaroid sprintscan)... does anyone have experience with getting such a device to work under linux? |
| 04:43.28 | *** join/#debian holo (~carlos@a81-84-126-224.netcabo.pt) |
| 04:43.46 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: hahahah im taking the class for a friend... he would get kicked out... hahahah! |
| 04:44.08 | furrywolf | LOL |
| 04:44.16 | chealer | necro_: it's safer to assume I won't read a question if the asker adds two more useless lines |
| 04:44.16 | furrywolf | then why are you worrying about doing the homework? :P |
| 04:44.31 | bucky | necro_, freeradius |
| 04:44.32 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I'm getting paid... part of the conditions.. |
| 04:44.35 | Faolan | I'm a linux n00b who's having trouble setting up ATI opengl drivers. I get as far as running the make.sh script, which runs, but outputs 20 or so errors like the following, then dies: |
| 04:44.37 | jim | matjan_: never done it, but I heard about this thing calle sane |
| 04:44.38 | Faolan | /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/agpgart_be.c:7232: error: structure has no member named `slot_name' |
| 04:44.46 | jim | matjan_, look into sane |
| 04:44.49 | necro_ | chealer: awesome! then please do me a favor, and go happily on my /ignore. thanks |
| 04:44.54 | Faolan | I've googled the error, but have not come up with anything |
| 04:44.57 | necro_ | bucky: freeradius? |
| 04:45.03 | Faolan | On how to rectify it. |
| 04:45.21 | trave11er | Faolan: are you building on 2.6.12? |
| 04:45.25 | Faolan | yes |
| 04:45.26 | matjan_ | jim: i found that one too... |
| 04:45.28 | TwistedEmotions | Faolan: might be better if you pasted the errors... perferably in #flood |
| 04:45.30 | *** join/#debian sanmarcos (~jade@adsl-69-224-152-212.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 04:45.31 | chealer | !tell sycj about nvidia-howto |
| 04:45.37 | Faolan | ok |
| 04:45.41 | jim | anacaona: lately ndiswrapper has been somewhat popular here |
| 04:45.43 | furrywolf | TwistedEmotions: you know, people like you are why I had to check IDs on the final exam... |
| 04:45.51 | trave11er | Faolan: yeah, the slot_name in pci struct has been eliminated between .11 and .12 |
| 04:46.08 | trave11er | Faolan: updated stuff will probably be available shortly, stay tuned |
| 04:46.15 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: People like me? I'm not cheating... he is... and you can't blame me for being smart... |
| 04:46.25 | Faolan | I shall |
| 04:46.28 | Faolan | Thanks. |
| 04:46.33 | necro_ | bucky: it appears to be primarily used for dialup auth though, no ? |
| 04:46.40 | TwistedEmotions | Faolan: bitch I said you CANT blame me |
| 04:47.05 | bucky | necro_, do a apt-cache search radius to see all the possibilities |
| 04:47.17 | Faolan | heh, what was I blaming you for TwistedEmotions? |
| 04:47.27 | furrywolf | was sad too... cmpe003. introduction to computers. I was helping proctor it for another teacher. "what is a keyboard?" type questions. and people felt the need to cheat. sad.... |
| 04:47.36 | chealer | necro_: you should be able to do that by yourself |
| 04:47.40 | trave11er | Faolan: if you feel adventureous, you can try replacing references like blah->slot_name by blah->dev.bus_id |
| 04:47.45 | TwistedEmotions | Faolan: sorry bad joke.. "ME: you can't blame me for being smart... Faolan: I shall |
| 04:47.48 | TwistedEmotions | " |
| 04:47.49 | matjan_ | anybody else? (scsi scanner) |
| 04:48.01 | cahoot | matjan_: http://sol4.net/ss4000.shtml |
| 04:48.10 | trave11er | Faolan: i've seen it fixed like this in one driver, but never tested, so if something breaks, you'll get to keep the pieces |
| 04:48.13 | furrywolf | matjan_: you might try google |
| 04:48.21 | sycj | Thanks you chealer, I will look at the nviidia-howto |
| 04:48.23 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I would cheat... I still dont know what a keyboard is... I'm telepathic with computers... |
| 04:48.25 | cahoot | matjan_: and btw - for software I'd suggest you look at vuescan |
| 04:48.28 | *** join/#debian cartel_ (~cartel@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz) |
| 04:48.30 | cartel_ | hmm wtf |
| 04:48.32 | *** join/#debian af_ (~af@ip-130-170.sn2.eutelia.it) |
| 04:48.41 | matjan_ | cahoot: thanks |
| 04:48.46 | cartel_ | im getting a WEIRD error on one of my boxes upgrading to sarge |
| 04:48.49 | cartel_ | doing apt-get update |
| 04:49.07 | furrywolf | cartel_: paste the error. :P |
| 04:49.07 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: How old are you? |
| 04:49.13 | Faolan | I think I'll wait for tested updates. I'm not skilled enough yet to be too adventurous. |
| 04:49.30 | *** join/#debian sTone_heAd (~rudy@200.48.48.2) |
| 04:49.30 | cartel_ | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 04:49.30 | matjan_ | cahoot: i hope it will also work for the sprintscan 35.... |
| 04:49.31 | cartel_ | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 04:49.31 | cartel_ | E: Ran out of allocation pools |
| 04:49.31 | Faolan | Thanks for the help. |
| 04:49.33 | furrywolf | TwistedEmotions: old enough no one asks me for ID at the store, young enough no one asks me for a senior discount card. |
| 04:49.40 | furrywolf | !dynamic mmap |
| 04:49.40 | dpkg | well, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 04:49.51 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: then damn you answer my questions.. |
| 04:49.51 | trave11er | btw if someone is in denver area and has a large place, a guy on debian-sparc is giving away a 6-cpu sparc box |
| 04:49.57 | furrywolf | cartel_: obviously you did not try google. next time try google. |
| 04:50.00 | cartel_ | wow known issue |
| 04:50.06 | cartel_ | i thought it was bad ram :p |
| 04:50.10 | trave11er | the sucker is too big to ship anywhere |
| 04:50.11 | cartel_ | yeah i should have |
| 04:50.13 | *** part/#debian sanmarcos (~jade@adsl-69-224-152-212.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 04:50.13 | cartel_ | thanks |
| 04:50.14 | *** join/#debian ThanaZzzz (~Enlighten@195.132-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 04:50.18 | ThanaZzzz | how to liberate RAM ? |
| 04:50.29 | cartel_ | ThanaZzzz slay root |
| 04:50.31 | *** join/#debian teco|731 (~wheel@218-160-77-154.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 04:50.31 | Pryon | kill the oppressive CPU |
| 04:50.31 | cartel_ | jk |
| 04:50.35 | teco|731 | ? |
| 04:50.41 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I can just make a fake name for you... You name will be jaba the hutt... short for joe bob... short for Hick |
| 04:50.43 | chealer | ThanaZzzz: ask George |
| 04:50.53 | ThanaZzzz | o_O |
| 04:50.54 | *** part/#debian Number17 (~blah@RH-LaurelN-CS5-131-75.njit.edu) |
| 04:51.11 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I can even give you a cape if you want.. |
| 04:51.12 | furrywolf | trave11er: I turned down a free 8-cpu rs/6000 box since I couldn't afford to have it shipped to me. that, and it would only run AIX, and I wasn't about to pay for pain like that. |
| 04:51.31 | necro_ | another question: i did setup one of my linux machines to be a LDAP client, and it can authenticate using krb5 + gets user information from active directory using nss_ldap ... but the question is, if i do a ldapsearch query, i can see the UNIX password as one of the attributes there. kinda unsecure.. is there any way to disallow regular users from seeing this ? |
| 04:51.34 | trave11er | furrywolf: well, that's why he's looking for someone local |
| 04:51.43 | *** join/#debian jetdotnet (~jetdotnet@adsl-64-219-216-41.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 04:51.44 | furrywolf | what speed are the cpus? |
| 04:52.13 | ThanaZzzz | I have posible died process using my RAM |
| 04:52.20 | trave11er | furrywolf: http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2005/06/msg00139.html |
| 04:52.46 | *** join/#debian dn4 (~dynebolic@ip70-186-97-10.ma.dl.cox.net) |
| 04:52.55 | dn4 | how do I configure the kernel to support natsemi? |
| 04:52.55 | jetdotnet | !zombie |
| 04:52.56 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 04:53.05 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. i have to get my parking permit tomorrow morning because it was close on friday. )= |
| 04:53.12 | bucky | necro_, in unix you have to decide between two choices afaik... either storing a passwd in plain text and sending it encrypted or the other way around |
| 04:53.18 | ThanaZzzz | not exist a "clean" of the ram ? |
| 04:53.22 | cartel_ | furrywolf: im still getting the issue and ive tripled the valuew |
| 04:53.49 | necro_ | bucky: so i cannot have it setup in the way that the UNIX password hash is not visible at all ? (using LDAP) |
| 04:53.56 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Why are you so obsessed with parking man? It's only like 20$.. fucking books are like 200.. |
| 04:53.57 | *** join/#debian Maliuta (nikolai@c210-49-33-38.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) |
| 04:54.04 | jetdotnet | i could almost swear i've seen some app that says it does that ThanaZzzz but no idea as to the name |
| 04:54.08 | mwilson | <sigh> Stupid lilo... |
| 04:54.10 | cartel_ | TwistedEmotions: what fucking books are 200? |
| 04:54.14 | cartel_ | joy of sex is only $30 |
| 04:54.15 | furrywolf | trave11er: hrmm. a bit slower than I'd pay shipping to california for. :) |
| 04:54.16 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Of course your taking PE... so you dont need books.. |
| 04:54.18 | Pryon | doesn't init inherit zombie children? "Kill the parent" is a bit subtle in that case |
| 04:54.19 | jetdotnet | lilo is your god |
| 04:54.19 | cartel_ | ;) |
| 04:54.20 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i dont need books (= |
| 04:54.26 | jetdotnet | the proggie not the admin guy |
| 04:54.27 | nvz | dn4: more importantly, why do you think you have to configure the kernel to support natsemi? |
| 04:54.30 | ThanaZzzz | only the XFree in 10 %, I have the 50 % ocupped of my ram |
| 04:54.32 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Grrrrr @ You. |
| 04:54.40 | *** join/#debian K-sPecial (~kspecial@nc-65-41-171-142.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) |
| 04:54.41 | bucky | necro_, whoever is root on ldap will see it |
| 04:54.42 | trave11er | furrywolf: knock yourself out :-) |
| 04:54.43 | jetdotnet | brbbl |
| 04:54.44 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Answer these questions... What makes you happy? What do you like about yourself? What do you like about other people you know? |
| 04:54.52 | TwistedEmotions | It's for class... |
| 04:54.58 | TwistedEmotions | act like your 30.. |
| 04:55.03 | necro_ | bucky: thats fine, but im talking about regular users who have shell access to the linux box thats the ldap client |
| 04:55.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. hard questions. |
| 04:55.21 | K_Dallas | hi guys! what is wrong with this line, mkisofs -vAJr -V label foo.big.file | cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc -eject fs=6m -v -dao driveropts=burnfree - ? thanks |
| 04:55.22 | necro_ | because as it sits, any user could do a ldapsearch and see the unix passwd hash |
| 04:55.24 | bucky | necro_, anyway integrating this with ADS is way beyond anything i want to help with |
| 04:55.33 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahhaa... I'm using it to get my PhD.. |
| 04:55.38 | trave11er | TwistedEmotions: answer to the first one is obviously 'booze' |
| 04:55.44 | ThanaZzzz | how to posible is my RAM occuped and not showed in the processes ? |
| 04:55.50 | necro_ | bucky: its already integrated. im just wondering if its possible to hide the passwd hash from regular users. |
| 04:56.04 | K-sPecial | hey guys, i'm having this problem where X won't die, i recently booted windows and went into X and my mouse stopped working etc, had to reboot, and it did it again once rebooted, so I tried to ssh in and kill X with no avail, X won't take a sigkill :( |
| 04:56.08 | K-sPecial | anyone have any idea |
| 04:56.10 | trave11er | ThanaZzzz: how are you checking? |
| 04:56.12 | TwistedEmotions | trave11er: hahaha your obviously 30+ years old.. |
| 04:56.16 | furrywolf | TwistedEmotions: Making others happy makes me happy, as does having someone to snuggle. I like being a wolf. I like that the people I know are mostly people I never need to see again. :P |
| 04:56.17 | dn4 | what is the command to reconfigure the base? |
| 04:56.17 | K-sPecial | booted linux* |
| 04:56.25 | Pryon | ThanaZzzz: If you run 'top' and hit 'M' it will sort processes by memory |
| 04:56.30 | trave11er | TwistedEmotions: barely :-) |
| 04:56.30 | ThanaZzzz | trave11er, top |
| 04:56.38 | ThanaZzzz | yes Pryon , I have checked |
| 04:56.42 | *** join/#debian NewTux (~leonardo@200.121.249.79) |
| 04:56.44 | furrywolf | there's your three answers |
| 04:56.47 | trave11er | ThanaZzzz: press M there, then it will show the most memory-consuming stuff on top |
| 04:56.48 | TwistedEmotions | trave11er: jkin ;) I'm 21 and I agree... |
| 04:56.58 | bucky | necro_, you wanted an authorization server.. my suggestion is freeradius with a mysql backend.. that way you don't have to restart freeradius everytime you add a user :) |
| 04:57.12 | *** join/#debian gmaniac (~jens@dsl-082-082-165-144.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:57.22 | ThanaZzzz | Yes, I have looked trave11er , only showed 10 % and are the 50 % ocuped really |
| 04:57.26 | *** join/#debian pobstil (~luke@218-101-69-204.dialup.clear.net.nz) |
| 04:57.35 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: That will work... I'm turning that in... I hope my teacher and understand that I had to interview a wolf. |
| 04:57.41 | pobstil | a hoy hoy |
| 04:57.51 | furrywolf | ThanaZzzz: don't forget linux uses all free ram for disk cache, and automatically frees it up when you need it. |
| 04:57.58 | necro_ | bucky: got it, took note of it, have the freeradius site in my bookmarks to read tomorrow. but my second question was whether or not its possible to hide the unix passwd hash in LDAP from regular users who do a ldapsearch |
| 04:58.05 | furrywolf | TwistedEmotions: you asked me. :P |
| 04:58.10 | trave11er | ThanaZzzz: what about vmstat? |
| 04:58.10 | *** part/#debian pobstil (~luke@218-101-69-204.dialup.clear.net.nz) |
| 04:58.14 | cartel_ | TwistedEmotions: i can imagine a nice hardcover kama sutra with hand drawn illuminations would cost over $200 |
| 04:58.17 | *** join/#debian sparr_ (sparr@sparr.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 04:58.18 | seven_six_two | i didn't find anything strange in the logs. i'm going to play with dselect for a bit |
| 04:58.23 | bucky | necro_, of course |
| 04:58.24 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I know ;) And I appreciate the answer ;) |
| 04:58.27 | *** join/#debian Rux (~knoppix@ca-crlsca-cuda3-c1b-190.crlsca.adelphia.net) |
| 04:58.28 | necro_ | how? |
| 04:58.40 | *** join/#debian monchy (~monchy@S010600e04c400007.ok.shawcable.net) |
| 04:58.41 | ThanaZzzz | procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu---- |
| 04:58.41 | ThanaZzzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.41 | ThanaZzzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.41 | Supaplex | I've been told the kernel config used to boot from cd (hppa debian-installer netinst 150mb iso, downloaded today) is on the cd itself. Is it burried in a deb somewhere? how would I find out? |
| 04:58.41 | TwistedEmotions | cartel_: Uhhh... and that comment came from where? |
| 04:58.44 | NewTux | hola a todos tengo un problema con debian Sarge: En preferencias de Sonido, en la fi, ha Genaral cuando activo el servidor de Sonido, empieza a sonar sonidos raros.. alguien me ayude |
| 04:58.44 | necro_ | or may be you could point me to a url, if too lazy to explain :-) |
| 04:58.51 | TwistedEmotions | ThanaZzzz: #flood please. |
| 04:58.53 | bakalaika | Instead of using "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" there was a switch that could be suffixed to the X.org binary to allow other users except the one logged on right then to start gui programs from the terminal. Can anyone tell me what that switch was because I cannot remember it |
| 04:58.57 | ThanaZzzz | sorry :/ |
| 04:59.07 | nvz | ThanaZzzz: dont paste in here |
| 04:59.10 | TwistedEmotions | ThanaZzzz: :) I still love you. |
| 04:59.11 | ThanaZzzz | ok |
| 04:59.11 | deadcat | bakalaika: where you get xorg? |
| 04:59.29 | furrywolf | ThanaZzzz: that's telling you that linux is using most of your ram as disk cache. this is normal and good. |
| 04:59.30 | TwistedEmotions | nvz: you were like 30 minutes too late.. heheh |
| 04:59.37 | mwilson | bakalaika: Xorg is that broken? Wow. Another reason not to worry about getting it any time soon, then. |
| 04:59.37 | bakalaika | deadcat, compiled |
| 04:59.38 | *** join/#debian TwistedLappy (~ash@adsl-68-126-209-192.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 04:59.40 | cartel_ | TwistedEmotions: <TwistedEmotions> deadcat: Why are you so obsessed with parking man? It's only like 20$.. fucking books are like 200.. |
| 04:59.44 | deadcat | bakalaika: nice (= |
| 04:59.57 | nvz | TwistedEmotions: he only pasted like 30 seconds before I said that |
| 04:59.58 | *** join/#debian alfrede (~alfrede@p5086238E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:00.02 | TwistedEmotions | carles: hahahahahahha ... Ohhhh yeah... fucking books man.. |
| 05:00.08 | ThanaZzzz | hummm... ok |
| 05:00.08 | necro_ | bucky ? |
| 05:00.12 | ThanaZzzz | good night' |
| 05:00.12 | furrywolf | cartel_: where I taught, $300-$400/quarter was considered normal for books. |
| 05:00.21 | Supaplex | !fuck school books |
| 05:00.23 | Pryon | ThanaZzzz: RAM's no good if it's not being used |
| 05:00.24 | bakalaika | mwilson, broken ? :S |
| 05:00.44 | *** part/#debian NewTux (~leonardo@200.121.249.79) |
| 05:00.51 | trave11er | ThanaZzzz: it shows something like 150MB free |
| 05:00.55 | *** part/#debian matjan_ (user@209-161-226-220.dsl.look.ca) |
| 05:01.13 | TwistedEmotions | cartel_: He tells the truth... my fucking Calculus books costs like 130$ I think.. and that's only one class.. and not even all the material needed either... you need a graphing calculator that costs another 100.. |
| 05:01.16 | ThanaZzzz | I have running much of cloop's processes |
| 05:01.17 | *** join/#debian tengulre (~tengulre@61.185.238.166) |
| 05:01.29 | ThanaZzzz | (in this moments, finished or cancelled) |
| 05:01.57 | *** join/#debian sethw (~seth@dialup-4.240.108.159.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net) |
| 05:02.36 | TwistedEmotions | Weeee TwistedLappy is here... hes the 2nd smartest man in the room next to me |
| 05:02.42 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 05:02.43 | *** join/#debian SerajewelKS (\dev\null@host-69-95-62-231.spr.choiceone.net) |
| 05:02.55 | TwistedLappy | Fuck you TwistedEmotions I take offense to that.. |
| 05:03.06 | deadcat | hahah |
| 05:03.09 | *** join/#debian caphuso (foobar@p5481E0E5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:03.10 | deadcat | fuck him |
| 05:03.20 | seven_six_two | and his goat |
| 05:03.22 | SerajewelKS | is there a channel for people who are looking for open-source software that does something that... doesn't have any obvious keywords, and therefore hard to search for? |
| 05:03.25 | *** part/#debian mithro (~tim@ppp244-18.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 05:03.27 | TwistedLappy | that guys a ass. |
| 05:03.34 | teco|731 | ? |
| 05:03.34 | *** join/#debian positrix (~simon@CPE-144-137-255-105.wa.bigpond.net.au) |
| 05:03.53 | sethw | SerajewelKS -- just ask |
| 05:03.59 | cmihai | The gas chamber ? :) |
| 05:04.03 | *** join/#debian grepper (~robert@ip216-239-88-101.vif.net) |
| 05:04.04 | TwistedLappy | teco|731: ? |
| 05:04.07 | trave11er | :-) |
| 05:04.12 | teco|731 | what ass? |
| 05:04.18 | teco|731 | pardon? |
| 05:04.29 | TwistedLappy | TwistedEmotions is a ass. |
| 05:04.55 | positrix | this is by far the weirdest seeming conversation i've ever joined in the middle of |
| 05:05.20 | bucky | he's getting in touch with his inner child |
| 05:05.21 | *** join/#debian EspeonEefi (espeoneefi@STRATTON-ONE-SEVENTY-TWO.MIT.EDU) |
| 05:05.24 | SaratogaCx | okay... next question... how do I disable rivafb without recompiling my kernel? |
| 05:05.28 | teco|731 | ? |
| 05:05.45 | furrywolf | positrix: rather talk about furries instead? :) |
| 05:05.50 | *** join/#debian marcin (~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl) |
| 05:05.51 | teco|731 | don't use kernel |
| 05:05.52 | SerajewelKS | well, it's not *exactly* debian related, but okay. i'm looking for something like OOo draw, but you can create sub-documents, e.g. a rectangle, that when double-clicked will open up a new, blank document. and allowing several levels of this. |
| 05:06.00 | seven_six_two | bucky: i did that once. he cried and told on me |
| 05:06.00 | teco|731 | use bsd |
| 05:06.16 | bucky | right |
| 05:06.18 | SerajewelKS | so that i can make a map of several reigons of a game, for example, then zoom in and add more detail |
| 05:06.52 | teco|731 | SerajewelKS, just search and copy |
| 05:07.00 | cmihai | SerajewelKS: erm... try Inkskape of Sodipodi. It isn't what you said, but it's ...close enough. |
| 05:07.06 | teco|731 | SerajewelKS, no any skills |
| 05:07.28 | cmihai | It's SVC Vector Ilustrator... |
| 05:07.47 | cmihai | Inkscape is better then Sodipodi. |
| 05:07.50 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i did a project like this once, using macromedia freehand and an utterly enormous map |
| 05:07.59 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: hard work, though. |
| 05:08.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 765] by debhelper |
| 05:08.16 | *** part/#debian teco|731 (~wheel@218-160-77-154.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 05:08.22 | chealer | SaratogaCx: what kernel are you using? did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 05:08.27 | *** join/#debian jayparadise (~james@cpe-024-211-050-039.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 05:08.28 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, so yeah, but something a little more automated |
| 05:08.37 | SerajewelKS | and i don't need any fancy pictures. boxes are fine |
| 05:08.46 | SerajewelKS | cmihai, actually inkscape isn't a bad idea... |
| 05:08.59 | SerajewelKS | but i'd prefer something that doesn't show the sub-maps until zoomed in |
| 05:09.06 | tengulre | how to config embedded(ARM) platform? |
| 05:09.09 | cmihai | Well, Layers. |
| 05:09.11 | tengulre | :) |
| 05:09.21 | *** part/#debian p_willam (~patrick@p5486C2E7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:09.22 | cmihai | You create a layer for the maps, and hide / show that. |
| 05:09.31 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:09.37 | SerajewelKS | was hoping it'd be a bit more automated than that... |
| 05:10.00 | cmihai | I'd use 3D Studio Max with GhostPaint to export to Photoshop, but... That's another thing :) |
| 05:10.08 | SerajewelKS | ick |
| 05:10.15 | SerajewelKS | i'm just fine with rectangles =) |
| 05:11.03 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: a mate of mine wrote a webapp in php and javascript which uses a big file as backend and a small file as frontend - click someowhere on the small file, and it goes to take a snapshot out of the big file and displays that to you |
| 05:11.25 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, that's more or less what i'm thinking, only more object-oriented |
| 05:11.40 | SerajewelKS | "these rooms are sub-rooms of this room" |
| 05:11.41 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: again, not really what you want for MAKING such a map, but nice for displaying something once you've made it |
| 05:11.51 | SerajewelKS | right, but i want to make one =) |
| 05:12.03 | SerajewelKS | a map, not such an editor |
| 05:12.08 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: html and ascii :) |
| 05:12.24 | SerajewelKS | can't zoom out in either =P |
| 05:12.31 | *** join/#debian SavannahLion (~SavannahL@c-24-23-40-100.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:12.37 | Guerin | hey, if ascii is good enough for nethack, it should be good enough for you |
| 05:12.57 | positrix | me agrees with Guerin |
| 05:13.20 | SerajewelKS | also a nice feature would be to zoom out beyond the top level, repackaging the previous top level in a new rectangle |
| 05:13.31 | SerajewelKS | so when i finish mapping the starting town, i can zoom out of that to work on the next town |
| 05:13.34 | TwistedLappy | How do I install a program with all the recommended and suggested packages? |
| 05:13.48 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: use aptitude |
| 05:14.11 | SavannahLion | hey guys |
| 05:14.14 | *** join/#debian Juvu (~czarux@as32-163.qualitynet.net) |
| 05:14.25 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: ;( Dont like aptitude |
| 05:14.31 | Guerin | TwistedLappy: why not? |
| 05:14.32 | Juvu | hi |
| 05:14.33 | deadcat | same here (= |
| 05:15.12 | Juvu | in what package this lib exists libGl.so.1 |
| 05:15.17 | TwistedLappy | Guerin: I dont know... it's too preety.. and yuo dont actually have any control over it... it just does what you can do in consul except with less control... |
| 05:15.19 | Juvu | supertux: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 05:15.34 | TwistedLappy | console |
| 05:15.39 | streuner | !tell Juvu about search |
| 05:15.41 | Guerin | TwistedLappy: um... you can use it in shell just like apt-get |
| 05:15.44 | deadcat | you can aptitude install blah |
| 05:15.45 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, an excellent example of this is KLogic |
| 05:16.12 | Guerin | aptitude {install,search,purge,removeetc} |
| 05:16.14 | SerajewelKS | you can create your own digital logic components by creating a custom one and zooming in on it |
| 05:16.20 | SavannahLion | What package am I supposed to look at to properly view Japanese text while browsing web sites? |
| 05:16.25 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: an algorthm designer? |
| 05:16.27 | Juvu | I did that |
| 05:16.36 | caphuso | TwistedLappy: uhm, you have more control in aptitude than with apt-get |
| 05:16.38 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, KLogic is a digital logic simulator |
| 05:16.38 | Juvu | and there many libraries, which one |
| 05:16.39 | Guerin | SavannahLion: apt-cache search fonts asian |
| 05:16.39 | TwistedLappy | Guerin: I know... I dont know.. it's just not the same.. plus.. what would apt think if I betrayed it like that? |
| 05:17.02 | Juvu | which library package contain libGL.so.1 |
| 05:17.06 | SerajewelKS | but the sub-circuit feature is something like that i'm looking for in this hypothetical mapping software |
| 05:17.09 | Guerin | TwistedLappy: don't anthropomorphise debian tools, they don't like it. |
| 05:17.11 | SavannahLion | Guerin: Thanks... oh wow, I can search using multiple criteria? I didn't know that |
| 05:17.20 | Guerin | SavannahLion: yesindeedy |
| 05:17.37 | SavannahLion | Guerin: lol, I've been using apt-get search | grep |
| 05:17.42 | Guerin | !tell Juvu about search |
| 05:17.45 | SavannahLion | duh |
| 05:17.55 | *** join/#debian whiskers (~Whiskers@c-24-18-92-123.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 05:18.00 | TwistedLappy | !anthropomorphise |
| 05:18.04 | TwistedLappy | damn.. |
| 05:18.04 | streuner | Guerin: that lib doesn't exist here... |
| 05:18.09 | *** join/#debian _daniel_ (~daniel@Dynamic-IP-cr20011850217.cable.net.co) |
| 05:18.14 | TwistedLappy | I'll never know what Guerin said.. |
| 05:18.19 | Guerin | streuner: that's a valid answer. |
| 05:18.41 | whiskers | i have heard there is a new debian out, do i need a new install cd to get it? I have a network cdrom of sarge |
| 05:18.46 | Guerin | !dict anthropomorphize |
| 05:18.48 | dpkg | Dictionary 'anthropomorphize' Anthropomorphize \An`thro*po*mor"phize\, v. t. & i. To attribute a human form or personality to. |
| 05:18.57 | streuner | !info supertux |
| 05:18.57 | SerajewelKS | !tell whiskers about sarge->etch |
| 05:19.03 | dpkg | supertux: (Classic 2D jump 'n run sidescroller with Tux), section games, is optional. Version: 0.1.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 218 kB, Installed size: 616 kB |
| 05:19.27 | furrywolf | twisted*: for example, I'm a wolf, with some human form and personality. :P |
| 05:19.30 | *** join/#debian jm_ (jm@febrile.org) |
| 05:19.37 | SavannahLion | Guerin: Do I need to restart KDE to use the new fonts? |
| 05:19.41 | SerajewelKS | !dict debian |
| 05:19.45 | dpkg | Dictionary 'debian' (1 of 8): Another unique aspect to the Debian project is the open development; pre-releases are made available from Day 1 and if anyone wishes to become a Debian developer, all that is needed is proof of identification and a signed PGP or GPG key. There are over 400 Debian developers all around the world -- many developers have never met face-to-face, and most development talks take place on the many mailing lists and ... |
| 05:19.46 | streuner | Juvu: what distro do you run actually? |
| 05:20.06 | Juvu | I installed nvidia |
| 05:20.14 | Juvu | then ppurged it |
| 05:20.19 | Guerin | SavannahLion: probably not. |
| 05:20.25 | SerajewelKS | !nvidia-one-liner |
| 05:20.32 | TwistedLappy | Guerin: I was kidding.. I understood from context.. |
| 05:20.33 | SerajewelKS | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 05:20.36 | SavannahLion | Guerin: I must've installed the wrong font then :( |
| 05:20.40 | Juvu | seems it did something to my libGL.so.1 |
| 05:20.48 | Guerin | SavannahLion: tra a restart, then. |
| 05:20.50 | SerajewelKS | !nvidia one-liner |
| 05:20.51 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 05:20.54 | SerajewelKS | there it is |
| 05:20.58 | SerajewelKS | Juvu, do that |
| 05:20.59 | Guerin | SavannahLion: also make sure firefox is doing locales correctly |
| 05:21.42 | Juvu | I dont want nvidia anymore |
| 05:21.52 | SerajewelKS | so right now, inkscape is looking like the most viable option |
| 05:21.55 | Juvu | my video card is an intel built in |
| 05:22.01 | SerajewelKS | but i don't really need full SVG =/ |
| 05:22.01 | Juvu | which is not supprted |
| 05:22.12 | SerajewelKS | Juvu, then wtf were you doing with nvidia |
| 05:22.14 | streuner | Juvu: ok, throw the videocard to trash and buy a different chipset? |
| 05:22.40 | Juvu | I need to fix the libGL libraries after being messed up by removing nvidia |
| 05:22.42 | SavannahLion | Guerin: I'll try a restart, but I don't know how to check to see if Firefox or Konquer gets the correct locale. |
| 05:22.47 | *** join/#debian seph- (~Yo@209.153.41.122) |
| 05:23.08 | Juvu | right now i just wana fix the problem |
| 05:23.11 | Guerin | SavannahLion: in ff view > character encoding |
| 05:23.13 | streuner | Juvu: what do you use? sarge? |
| 05:23.25 | *** join/#debian rue_mohr (~rue@ip-216-91.ppp.ucc-net.ca) |
| 05:23.26 | SerajewelKS | Juvu, were you using mesa? |
| 05:23.34 | Juvu | dunno |
| 05:23.36 | Juvu | I am new |
| 05:23.50 | SerajewelKS | Juvu, dpkg -l xlibmesa-gl |
| 05:23.51 | rue_mohr | apt find mplayer |
| 05:24.02 | Juvu | ok |
| 05:24.15 | SerajewelKS | Juvu, do you see "ii xlibmesa-gl"? |
| 05:24.18 | *** join/#debian postel (~armaos@postel.user) |
| 05:24.21 | Guerin | rue_mohr: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 05:24.29 | rue_mohr | oh, odd, looks like I compiled the one I'm using now.. |
| 05:24.40 | Juvu | not installed |
| 05:24.48 | TwistedEmotions | Wow... I think this is the first time ever I have seen a program freeze for no reason in linux... damn openoffice |
| 05:24.51 | streuner | Juvu: adress the people with the nick, don't abuse the enter button too much, and fucking answer our questions |
| 05:24.54 | rue_mohr | Guerin, what marillat? |
| 05:24.59 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh.. it's back up again ;) |
| 05:25.03 | Juvu | wait |
| 05:25.08 | SerajewelKS | Juvu, dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 05:25.19 | Guerin | rue_mohr: dpkg will tell you |
| 05:25.20 | Juvu | ii xlibmesa-gl 6.8.2-10 Mesa 3D graphics library |
| 05:25.45 | SerajewelKS | okay |
| 05:25.47 | Guerin | !info libxmesa-gl |
| 05:25.56 | *** join/#debian deeku (~apple@S0106000c41e4774f.cg.shawcable.net) |
| 05:25.57 | Juvu | should I re install it |
| 05:25.58 | SerajewelKS | Juvu, apt-get --reinstall xlibmesa-gl |
| 05:26.03 | Guerin | Juvu: you're not using debian, are you? |
| 05:26.18 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, no, i've problems with nvidia packages screwing libGL after uninstall |
| 05:26.25 | Juvu | Guerin dunno, i got this from a friend |
| 05:26.25 | SerajewelKS | i've had* |
| 05:26.27 | *** join/#debian RTB (~RTB@e210069.upc-e.chello.nl) |
| 05:26.28 | *** join/#debian eggy (eggy@eggy-yorkcc.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 05:26.28 | Guerin | Juvu: you might be using ubuntu hoary |
| 05:26.31 | *** part/#debian aigarius (~aigarius@159.148.239.80) |
| 05:26.37 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: that package is NOT IN DEBIAN |
| 05:26.51 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, xlibmesa-gl? it's on MY debian... |
| 05:27.14 | Guerin | !info xlibmesa-gl |
| 05:27.21 | dpkg | xlibmesa-gl: (Mesa 3D graphics library [XFree86]), section libs, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 (sid), Packaged size: 276 kB, Installed size: 744 kB |
| 05:27.24 | Guerin | bah, got my lib and x mixed up |
| 05:27.26 | Guerin | my bad |
| 05:27.30 | SerajewelKS | =) |
| 05:27.35 | Guerin | but in any case |
| 05:27.53 | Guerin | that version isn't in debian, but it does happen to be the current xorg version... |
| 05:28.05 | *** join/#debian Edis0n (~weber@u16-173.dsl.vianetworks.de) |
| 05:28.12 | SerajewelKS | i've done purge on nvidia-glx before and it doesn't restore the libGL libraries |
| 05:28.21 | SavannahLion | Guerin: I'm sorry, I Googled for ff view, and I don't know what that is. What does FF stand for? |
| 05:28.24 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, that's the version i've got |
| 05:28.36 | Guerin | SavannahLion: firefox |
| 05:28.51 | Guerin | SavannahLion: view is a menu, next to 'edit' |
| 05:29.06 | Juvu | seems i cant find the xlibmes0gl |
| 05:29.15 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: what branch of debian? |
| 05:29.18 | Juvu | should I find another respitory |
| 05:29.22 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, of course, nvidia-glx is providing libGL right now, so if i purge nvidia-glx it probably wouldn't work |
| 05:29.29 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, etch |
| 05:29.29 | streuner | Juvu: NO |
| 05:29.39 | SavannahLion | Guerin: Oh.... OK well... it shows the page encoding as Japanese and it's still not showing up correctly. |
| 05:29.41 | *** join/#debian gfdgfd (~gfdgfdgfd@24-113-19-19.wavecable.com) |
| 05:29.43 | *** join/#debian pilgrim (~pilgrim@d137-186-156-125.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 05:29.46 | streuner | Juvu: just reinstall X then |
| 05:29.46 | *** join/#debian TheEggMan (eggy@eggy-yorkcc.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 05:29.46 | SerajewelKS | i got the woody CDs... then upgraded to sarge, now to etch |
| 05:29.47 | gfdgfd | hello |
| 05:29.56 | SerajewelKS | so i've probably got pieces of woody left on my system |
| 05:30.02 | Juvu | what |
| 05:30.05 | gfdgfd | anyone use ffmpeg? |
| 05:30.08 | SavannahLion | Maybe the page source will give me a hint to the correct encoding |
| 05:30.12 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 05:30.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:30.13 | *** join/#debian guorke (~guorke@218.22.2.30) |
| 05:30.14 | deadcat | gfdgfd: ya |
| 05:30.23 | SerajewelKS | Juvu, copy and paste this: apt-get update; apt-get --reinstall xlibmesa-gl |
| 05:30.24 | gfdgfd | i am trying to make a vcd |
| 05:30.26 | gfdgfd | using |
| 05:30.34 | deadcat | no clue |
| 05:30.39 | gfdgfd | -target ntsc-vcd |
| 05:30.53 | gfdgfd | and i get skipping video on my dvd player |
| 05:30.57 | Juvu | SerajewelKS got the idea thanx will do it |
| 05:31.27 | gfdgfd | but it doesent skip on my computer |
| 05:31.39 | pilgrim | How do I start/stop a service? And find out what services are runnig right now? |
| 05:31.40 | deadcat | bad player? |
| 05:31.52 | deadcat | pilgrim: /etc/init.d/servicename restart |
| 05:31.58 | gfdgfd | it works when i encode vcd's with other programs |
| 05:32.04 | pilgrim | deadcat, awesome, thanks |
| 05:32.08 | SerajewelKS | pilgrim, use the /etc/init.d/ scripts, and use "ps axu | grep root" for (kind of) a list of services |
| 05:32.13 | Guerin | pilgrim: /etc/init.d/servicename {start,stop,restart}; man ps |
| 05:32.38 | gfdgfd | any clues? |
| 05:32.40 | SerajewelKS | "ps axu | grep '^root'" rather |
| 05:32.51 | pilgrim | SerajewelKS, Guerin thanks to both |
| 05:33.05 | gfdgfd | it seems like its skipping frames |
| 05:33.14 | cahoot | SerajewelKS: netstat -tupan? |
| 05:33.17 | *** join/#debian Quag7 (~pkropotki@pcp0011031277pcs.pimaco01.az.comcast.net) |
| 05:33.36 | *** part/#debian SavannahLion (~SavannahL@c-24-23-40-100.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:33.43 | SerajewelKS | cahoot, "service" does not necessarily imply "network service" |
| 05:33.54 | pilgrim | How do I stop a service from booting at start up, ever? |
| 05:34.04 | Guerin | pilgrim: remove it |
| 05:34.13 | Guerin | pilgrim: aptitude purge packagename |
| 05:34.17 | deadcat | pilgrim: man update-rc.d or rename the symlinks |
| 05:34.20 | streuner | pilgrim: or remove the symlink in /etc/init.d |
| 05:34.21 | pureone | rcconf |
| 05:34.29 | *** join/#debian Serajewel (\dev\null@host-69-95-62-251.spr.choiceone.net) |
| 05:34.44 | rue_mohr | .man I just wanna do a lego animation... |
| 05:34.54 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: hahahaha.... your going to love my interview with you... |
| 05:34.55 | pilgrim | deadcat, thanks that's what I was looking for, although Guerin has some good points |
| 05:34.58 | *** join/#debian whiskers (~Whiskers@c-24-18-92-123.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 05:35.07 | SerajewelKS | cahoot, "service" does not necessarily imply "network service" |
| 05:35.35 | deadcat | pilgrim: well ofcourse. if you dont plan to use it. remove the mofo. but sometimes you want it but dont want the shit to start on bootup. run it only when needed. |
| 05:35.54 | cahoot | SerajewelKS: true - I got it the first time |
| 05:35.59 | TwistedEmotions | What's your name: Furri Volf How old are you: 37 Gender: Male |
| 05:35.59 | TwistedEmotions | What makes you happy? Making others happy makes me happy, as does having someone to snuggle with, I mean what is better then a warm body next to you at night. I like being a wolf in the world, I mean as far as my buisness goes. I like that the people I know are mostly people I never need to see again, just kidding... I like the people that I spend most of the time with because they seem to acknowledge that I am a wolf a |
| 05:35.59 | TwistedEmotions | s far as buisness goes and they still come to me for answers. I also like the other people I associate with as they seem to make me feel normal as far as me not being nearly as twisted as some of the people I deal with. |
| 05:36.05 | pilgrim | deadcat, yeah, I completely agree. |
| 05:36.10 | SerajewelKS | cahoot, sorry, my ISP booted me and wasn't sure if I made it before they pulled the plug |
| 05:36.15 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: read above ;) |
| 05:36.20 | caphuso | TwistedEmotions: stop that crap |
| 05:36.27 | furrywolf | TwistedEmotions: that sucks, and isn't what I said. :P |
| 05:36.32 | *** join/#debian grump (jason@fear-and-loathing.org) |
| 05:36.37 | TwistedEmotions | caphuso: sorry... should have used #flood. |
| 05:36.54 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: how did you read it so fast? |
| 05:36.55 | whiskers | what does a crc drive not ready error mean? |
| 05:37.03 | gfdgfd | can you encode vcd's with mencoder? |
| 05:37.14 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:37.18 | Guerin | !fuck TwistedEmotions |
| 05:37.24 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I can't just turn in your answers... 1) too short 2) Suppose to be a face to face interview.. |
| 05:37.31 | SerajewelKS | gfdgfd, chances are good you can encode to anything with mencoder |
| 05:37.45 | gfdgfd | cool |
| 05:37.50 | furrywolf | TwistedEmotions: that was fast? |
| 05:37.52 | caphuso | Guerin: yeah, let's all respond to three completely useles lines with even more useless lines. good job, keep it up |
| 05:38.11 | *** join/#debian enerv (enerv@201008203181.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 05:38.48 | gfdgfd | SerajewelKS:do you know the command? |
| 05:39.07 | SerajewelKS | gfdgfd, no, that's what manpages and google are for |
| 05:39.10 | *** join/#debian zomtec (~zomtec@p54A9A64C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:39.14 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: took you like 10 seconds... Well I hate you then... I thought it was creative.. I hinted that you were a wolf... your name is "Furri Volf" and I even plugged in that I am twisted ;) |
| 05:39.14 | *** part/#debian rue_mohr (~rue@ip-216-91.ppp.ucc-net.ca) |
| 05:39.17 | gfdgfd | blah |
| 05:39.41 | gfdgfd | i dont have a man page for mencoder |
| 05:39.41 | Guerin | caphuso: there's value in breating fools for doing fucking idiot things. |
| 05:39.48 | Guerin | and berating them, too |
| 05:40.01 | cmihai | Really. |
| 05:40.01 | caphuso | mencoder can't encode to proper MPEG files |
| 05:40.08 | furrywolf | TwistedEmotions: doesn't change that it looks like bull. :P |
| 05:40.09 | cmihai | gfdgfd: man mplayer. |
| 05:40.44 | gfdgfd | im confused now |
| 05:40.47 | gfdgfd | hehe |
| 05:41.00 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: fine if you really care then give me real answers and I'll use them.. |
| 05:41.09 | SerajewelKS | !vogonsmite TwistedEmotions |
| 05:41.09 | dpkg | TwistedEmotions: Oh freddled gruntbuggly, / Thy micturations are to me / As plurdled gabbleblotchits / On a lurgid bee. / Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes / And hooptiously drangle me / with crinkly bindlewurdles, / Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon / See if I don't. |
| 05:41.17 | furrywolf | I did give you real answers. :P |
| 05:41.20 | sparr_ | I am having trouble with losing sync between audio and video when skipping ahead/back in various formats of video, what players might help minimize that? |
| 05:41.30 | gfdgfd | mplayer |
| 05:41.30 | *** join/#debian Smsje (~Kmfsomq@abn132-215.interaktif.net.tr) |
| 05:41.37 | cmihai | Try'em all :) |
| 05:41.40 | SerajewelKS | sparr_, you can use the N and M keys in xine to adjust the A/V sync |
| 05:41.42 | gfdgfd | with the drop frames command |
| 05:41.54 | *** join/#debian karsten (~karsten@o1-dialup-66-81-220-68.rev.o1.com) |
| 05:42.14 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: Can't be 3 short lines long.. and you cant call yourself a wolf.. not unless it's a metaphore anyways. |
| 05:42.19 | SerajewelKS | i've become very familiar with A/V syncing since the kernel screws my RTC |
| 05:42.34 | Supaplex | !screw rtc |
| 05:43.03 | furrywolf | TwistedEmotions: you think your professor has never met a fur before? :P |
| 05:43.06 | gfdgfd | has anyone created a vcd with ffmpeg? |
| 05:43.13 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: ah, is rtc the cause of that desync thing which seems to plague most video? |
| 05:43.34 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, no, it's the cause of the desync thing that plauges my whole system |
| 05:43.42 | *** join/#debian sycj (~t4dyce@c-24-98-93-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 05:43.43 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:43.58 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I doubt anyone has ever met a fur like you... I must say you are completely original. |
| 05:44.00 | SerajewelKS | i just HAD to upgrade the kernel... silly me |
| 05:44.17 | SerajewelKS | i have the choice between not using my joystick and listening to Weird Al on helium |
| 05:44.18 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: furrywolf: get a den. |
| 05:44.31 | *** join/#debian Cyano-Mobile (~rrollesto@66.209.15.234) |
| 05:44.37 | furrywolf | lol |
| 05:44.38 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: That is twisted. |
| 05:44.39 | streuner | "den"? |
| 05:44.55 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: wolf --> Den |
| 05:45.02 | SerajewelKS | #denbian? |
| 05:45.03 | furrywolf | TwistedEmotions: I've met quite a few furs like me. I know there's at least 10-20 in this channel each day... |
| 05:45.07 | SerajewelKS | someplease !punsmite me |
| 05:45.27 | gfdgfd | Guerin:use mplayer with -framedrop |
| 05:45.28 | *** join/#debian NewTux (~leonardo@200.121.249.79) |
| 05:45.38 | furrywolf | grr. /me waits for firefox to finish crashing so he can restart it |
| 05:45.48 | Guerin | gfdgfd: framedrop ruins the quality of the video and often makes it slower |
| 05:46.16 | gfdgfd | it drops video frames when the audio and video are not synced |
| 05:46.17 | positrix | furrywolf: xkill? |
| 05:46.35 | SerajewelKS | i just can't believe there's no open-source modular map editor out there |
| 05:46.44 | streuner | furrywolf: kill -9 pid |
| 05:46.52 | furrywolf | framedrop only helps if the bottleneck is video output, not decoding... hardframedrop works better, but will really garble the video... |
| 05:46.58 | positrix | SerajewelKS maybe you could write one? |
| 05:47.00 | TwistedEmotions | Doesnt freenode have a channel where I can find some dumbass 13 year olds to ask them questions? |
| 05:47.06 | furrywolf | nah. if I kill it, next time it is even more crashed. |
| 05:47.13 | furrywolf | woot, finished crashing. :P |
| 05:47.14 | streuner | furrywolf: ps aux | grep "firecrap" |
| 05:47.17 | SerajewelKS | positrix, i prefer to find something before i try to write it |
| 05:47.22 | SerajewelKS | no since in re-inventing the wheel |
| 05:47.29 | SerajewelKS | sense |
| 05:47.31 | *** part/#debian NewTux (~leonardo@200.121.249.79) |
| 05:47.32 | SerajewelKS | i can't spell tonight |
| 05:47.48 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: yeah, I wish there was a good one, too. There ARE some, but nothign particularly good, aiui. |
| 05:47.54 | *** join/#debian ja0x (ja0x@66.201.162.24) |
| 05:48.22 | *** part/#debian ja0x (ja0x@66.201.162.24) |
| 05:48.31 | *** join/#debian th0re (~thore@83.243.140.5) |
| 05:48.52 | furrywolf | ... and waits. |
| 05:48.54 | SerajewelKS | see the problem is i know how to spell it, but my fingers rearrange the letters on the way out |
| 05:49.21 | SerajewelKS | my fingers are a ReorganizeFilterOutputStream |
| 05:49.23 | sparr_ | SerajewelKS: adjusting it every few minutes is hella nnoying |
| 05:49.25 | positrix | SerajewelKS i have the exact same problem!!!! |
| 05:49.27 | K_Dallas | FYI: when i used the driveropts=burnfree in a pipe between mkisofs and cdrecord, the combination did not work! i had to remove that option :( |
| 05:49.47 | SerajewelKS | sparr_, yep, tell me about it. i have to resync my clock every hour. |
| 05:50.08 | furrywolf | grr. firefox's latest annoyance is the 1-second UI lag, that formerly only affected clicking anything, now also affects keyboard entry. which makes typing REALLY ANNOYING. |
| 05:50.19 | streuner | K_Dallas: well, its not supportet by your Writer then |
| 05:50.37 | SerajewelKS | furrywolf, yay for open-source, eh? |
| 05:50.40 | sparr_ | SerajewelKS: funny |
| 05:50.56 | SerajewelKS | "we have all the great ideas that even we can't execute" |
| 05:50.58 | Supaplex | anyone recall what scsi chipset/driver is used on those archaic isa boards for hp scanners? uses the mini centronics like connector. |
| 05:50.58 | K_Dallas | streuner, it is ;) the thing is that adding that option makes cdrecord to confuse |
| 05:51.07 | furrywolf | SerajewelKS: sometimes I wonder if firefox isn't paid by microsoft to make IE look good... |
| 05:51.14 | *** join/#debian concept10 (~concept10@c-67-166-167-125.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 05:51.17 | Supaplex | I'd rip the card out, but the machine is burried under lots of gear. :) |
| 05:51.29 | SerajewelKS | furrywolf, my FF works fine, but my kernel doesn't |
| 05:51.43 | streuner | K_Dallas: mkisofs -R -J /somefolder | cdrecord -v driveropts=burnfree dev=0,0,0 - |
| 05:51.45 | fooz | :) |
| 05:51.53 | *** join/#debian gg (gg@202.105.233.24) |
| 05:51.54 | SerajewelKS | i wish more hardware vendors would write linux drivers =/ |
| 05:52.02 | positrix | furrywolf nothing can make ie look good. execpt for maybe another version of itself. |
| 05:52.11 | mwilson | Supaplex: "mini" Centronics connector? |
| 05:52.11 | deadcat | how do i get sound on my usb camera? its a logitech 3000 |
| 05:52.15 | K_Dallas | streuner, let me try that, i had the dev before the option |
| 05:52.21 | gfdgfd | get a mic? |
| 05:52.33 | streuner | K_Dallas: no |
| 05:52.51 | SerajewelKS | IE is faster than anything, unfortunately. firefox, opera.. slow. netscape.. slower. |
| 05:52.54 | SerajewelKS | well |
| 05:52.58 | mwilson | Supaplex: I think you mean a DB-25? Which has nothing to do with Centronics. |
| 05:52.59 | streuner | K_Dallas: cdrecord doesn't care which option starts first line or last... |
| 05:53.01 | SerajewelKS | maybe ELinks beats it |
| 05:53.08 | K_Dallas | streuner, so it would not change a thing |
| 05:53.08 | SerajewelKS | but apart for IE's speed it's crap |
| 05:53.10 | gfdgfd | safari is pretty fast |
| 05:53.12 | deadcat | gfdgfd: i am trying to use ffmpeg to record with sound. i have a mic but no sound. |
| 05:53.15 | streuner | K_Dallas: no |
| 05:53.33 | gfdgfd | oh i see |
| 05:53.35 | furrywolf | actually, netscape 4.7 was pretty fast... |
| 05:53.35 | streuner | K_Dallas: important is '-' at the end of the line... |
| 05:53.41 | K_Dallas | streuner, except that i have to do it like this: .... cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc ... |
| 05:53.51 | drac | deadcat: modprobe snd_usb_audio ? |
| 05:53.56 | K_Dallas | streuner, i did add - but had to remove the driveropts |
| 05:54.24 | gfdgfd | any ppc linux users in here? |
| 05:54.24 | K_Dallas | the only thing that caused cdrecord not to find the lenght of the track01 |
| 05:54.24 | deadcat | drac: damn. i didnt compile that module )= i thought it was usb audio card )= |
| 05:54.29 | deadcat | gfdgfd: ya |
| 05:54.32 | streuner | K_Dallas: dev=(foo) NOT -dev |
| 05:54.33 | gfdgfd | Sweet |
| 05:54.33 | deadcat | few |
| 05:54.34 | furrywolf | gfdgfd: might try #debianppc |
| 05:54.43 | gfdgfd | ya,not much people |
| 05:54.45 | deadcat | gfdgfd: dont go there. (= they dont talk to you |
| 05:54.47 | Supaplex | mwilson, no, it's not db25. it has spring loaded edges that lock into place. |
| 05:54.49 | gfdgfd | haha |
| 05:54.52 | K_Dallas | streuner, dev doesnt work on my system, have to do it -dev=... |
| 05:55.06 | positrix | SerajewelKS "IE is faster that anything" Oh. My. God. I SOOOO can't believe you just said that! |
| 05:55.26 | mwilson | Supaplex: Uh, that's a normal SCSI-2 connector. |
| 05:55.40 | pilgrim | Does port 113 (auth) have to be open for something? Why is it open (installed database packages and web server packages from installation prompt) |
| 05:55.55 | *** join/#debian pureone (~pureone@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:2d9d) |
| 05:56.06 | Guerin | pilgrim: some irc servers and so on need it. not really that important. |
| 05:56.08 | whiskers | my x isnt working, how do i redue the wizard to set it up? |
| 05:56.09 | K_Dallas | streuner, let me check again with dev=/dev/hdc |
| 05:56.14 | mwilson | pilgrim: It's open because you have something running on it. If you don't want it open, remove the identd you installed. |
| 05:56.16 | Guerin | !drxx whiskers |
| 05:56.17 | *** join/#debian ledestin (~ledestin@monster.amur.ru) |
| 05:56.17 | dpkg | whiskers: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 05:56.24 | gfdgfd | Xconfigurator? |
| 05:56.25 | SerajewelKS | positrix, what is faster? |
| 05:56.33 | *** join/#debian Ether_Man (EtherMan@h41n1fls305o1095.telia.com) |
| 05:56.47 | SerajewelKS | positrix, and text-mode browsers don't count |
| 05:57.05 | pilgrim | Guerin, ok, thanks. |
| 05:57.15 | positrix | SerajewelKS opera, for one. and safari if you're using OSX |
| 05:57.19 | furrywolf | Dillo |
| 05:57.32 | furrywolf | dillo is faster than lynx, and that's saying something. :) |
| 05:57.37 | pilgrim | mwilson, what's "identd" remove it by "apt-get remove identd" ? Will anything else brake? |
| 05:57.44 | jm_ | lynx isn't particularly fast |
| 05:57.44 | *** join/#debian Blackhold (~lalalala@130.Red-80-38-54.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 05:57.46 | mwilson | Why don't text-mode browsers count? The best way to speed is to ignore as much as possible of the crap that so-called "designers" want to push at you. |
| 05:57.47 | Blackhold | hello |
| 05:57.57 | gfdgfd | hi |
| 05:58.01 | positrix | SerajewelKS and dillo, which is full of ANTI-bloat |
| 05:58.16 | *** join/#debian vojko (~vojko@BSN-77-157-214.dsl.siol.net) |
| 05:58.24 | Supaplex | mwilson: actually, i have a backup from a previous install. |
| 05:58.49 | Blackhold | I'm trying to intall debian through net and don't work, I install it and then when I reboot appears the message: "operating system not found". what happens? |
| 05:58.50 | Guerin | when i've edited inittab, must I restart something for it to take effect? |
| 05:58.58 | caphuso | Guerin: telinit q |
| 05:59.05 | K_Dallas | streuner, i think i have found the source of the problem, maybe ;) the -dao or -sao flag seems to be in conflict with piping! |
| 05:59.07 | Guerin | Blackhold: you didn't install a bootloader on your boot device |
| 05:59.14 | SerajewelKS | positrix, opera is slow as crap on windows |
| 05:59.15 | Guerin | caphuso: ah, that's the one. |
| 05:59.22 | Guerin | opera is a bunch of arse |
| 05:59.23 | Supaplex | if I have modules configured from a system backup, where do I look to see the modules loaded? |
| 05:59.23 | Blackhold | Guerin I have installed grub |
| 05:59.26 | whiskers | ok that works, what should i pick for monitor? im using a tv for my monitor |
| 05:59.30 | gfdgfd | i hate opera |
| 05:59.39 | SerajewelKS | positrix, but i'll give you dillo, although i wouldn't use it |
| 05:59.40 | gfdgfd | freakin ads on a browser |
| 05:59.41 | positrix | SerajewelKS if you are using windows then WTFH are you doing on #debian? |
| 05:59.42 | Guerin | Blackhold: you clearly didn't install it to the MBR, then |
| 05:59.55 | deadcat | gfdgfd: ya. that is one shit ass browswer. worst than IE. |
| 05:59.56 | Blackhold | how I have to do it? |
| 05:59.58 | icyfire0573 | xsquared: |
| 06:00.04 | streuner | K_Dallas: so it works without pipe? odd... |
| 06:00.04 | gfdgfd | ya i agree |
| 06:00.05 | SerajewelKS | positrix, i'm not using windows right NOW, but i do use it when i'm away from home |
| 06:00.07 | gfdgfd | it blows |
| 06:00.11 | *** join/#debian SavannahLion (~SavannahL@c-24-23-40-100.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:00.16 | positrix | gfdgfd get a serial, and the ads magically disappear |
| 06:00.26 | deadcat | gfdgfd: the developers should be tortured and hang |
| 06:00.26 | gfdgfd | i dont even use it |
| 06:00.36 | gfdgfd | i know,what were they thinking |
| 06:00.39 | K_Dallas | streuner, if i pipe mkisofs to cdrecord i have to remove -dao, but i could keep driveropts etc |
| 06:00.51 | gfdgfd | who would pay for a browser |
| 06:00.56 | furrywolf | opera seems like a reasonably nice browser, however it is not free software. |
| 06:01.01 | michal_ | bah.. i just got an email with a subject "Make your girlfrind happy!! :))" and with the contents www.vay6zwvjhovlhed.telluristmj.net and the uber spam filtering it didn't pick up ANY spam charecteristics :/ |
| 06:01.16 | SavannahLion | Guerin: I give up. I guess I'll live without CJK fonts for a while |
| 06:01.28 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, isn't it amazing how some apps give you hope only to steal it away? i thought i could embed an OOo draw object in another OOo draw document, but you can't embed documents of the same type in each other |
| 06:01.29 | nvz | hmm I guess thats the reason my giftd isnt connecting to anything... I have no plugins installed |
| 06:01.29 | *** join/#debian stouse1 (~stephen@adsl-211-163-36.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 06:01.35 | streuner | gfdgfd: many people actually do |
| 06:01.43 | gfdgfd | thats insane |
| 06:01.54 | SerajewelKS | i can embed draw in writer, writer in draw, but not draw in draw... and WHY?! |
| 06:02.02 | Supaplex | wahou, backups save the day. scsi1 : NCR53c406a at 0x340, IRQ 11, fast PIO mode. |
| 06:02.04 | streuner | gfdgfd: most of windows users already paid for... |
| 06:02.05 | furrywolf | gfdgfd: people pay for IE, both as the cost of windoze, and the cost of all its problems... |
| 06:02.05 | deadcat | gfdgfd: they are dumber than windows users. |
| 06:02.15 | gfdgfd | haha |
| 06:02.25 | SerajewelKS | who pays for windows anymore? |
| 06:02.31 | deadcat | gfdgfd: fuck torturing the developers. torture the people who paid and encourage them |
| 06:02.34 | streuner | SerajewelKS: most people do |
| 06:02.45 | gfdgfd | deadcat:hahahaha |
| 06:02.50 | streuner | SerajewelKS: its usually on the box too... |
| 06:02.53 | *** join/#debian BeGinneR (~Arzu__@213.226.30.193) |
| 06:02.54 | Supaplex | mwilson: and yea, it was db25, but I'm over tired and got scsi0 and scsi1 mixed up. heh |
| 06:02.55 | K_Dallas | SerajewelKS, many many and even lots of home users |
| 06:02.58 | *** part/#debian osbert (~osbert@dsl081-051-123.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 06:03.16 | gfdgfd | Those people deserve to be robbed |
| 06:03.16 | mwilson | You're not going to convince me you have a 53c406 card with a mini-SCSI connector. |
| 06:03.28 | concept10 | gosh, APT is the greatest thing since sliced bread |
| 06:03.34 | K_Dallas | gfdgfd, you are thinking like ...! |
| 06:03.42 | positrix | gfdgfd what the opera developers were thining was: IE sucks goat balls, lets make the best browser on earth, and PROFIT!!! |
| 06:03.45 | deadcat | concept10: fuck sliced bread |
| 06:03.56 | gfdgfd | opera sucks though |
| 06:04.04 | rmrfchik | er |
| 06:04.08 | *** join/#debian LordLamer (~frank@mx.signal-to-noise.org) |
| 06:04.09 | SerajewelKS | gfdgfd, you're a broken record now |
| 06:04.09 | concept10 | deadcat, fuck umm deadcats |
| 06:04.16 | gfdgfd | hehe |
| 06:04.18 | K_Dallas | opera is a very nice piece of software and is worth to be paid for, 20-30 bucks max |
| 06:04.23 | deadcat | concept10: yeep. |
| 06:04.25 | gfdgfd | nooooooooo |
| 06:04.32 | K_Dallas | i'd rather pay for opera than paying for nero |
| 06:04.40 | gfdgfd | firefox is way better |
| 06:04.49 | SerajewelKS | opera was my gateway to firefox |
| 06:04.49 | *** join/#debian bushk (~bushk@ce-aus-153-235.dmisinetworks.net) |
| 06:04.53 | SerajewelKS | so don't knock it |
| 06:04.56 | furrywolf | gfdgfd: actually, opera is pretty nice. perhaps you just aren't smart enough to learn how to use it? however, I don't use it, as it's not free software. an example of my stubbornness hurting me, probably... |
| 06:04.59 | Guerin | i'd rather not pay for ANY proprietary extortionware |
| 06:05.10 | SerajewelKS | firefox > opera > IE |
| 06:05.16 | furrywolf | netscape 4.7 beats firefox any day. which is sad. :) |
| 06:05.19 | tengulre | how to save usb camera picture to jpg format? |
| 06:05.20 | gfdgfd | i used it once,saw the ads and trashed it |
| 06:05.31 | deadcat | tengulre: try camorama |
| 06:05.33 | K_Dallas | opera on windows beats firefox, speed wise and ease of use |
| 06:05.52 | Guerin | K_Dallas: doesn't change the fact that it's proprietary extortionware |
| 06:05.55 | SerajewelKS | my favorite thing about opera was the "Windows" hotbar panel |
| 06:05.57 | deadcat | gfdgfd: i used it once. got an illegal key and trashed it because it just sucks. |
| 06:06.04 | K_Dallas | life is not free! |
| 06:06.05 | gfdgfd | deadcat:haha |
| 06:06.09 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:06.10 | gfdgfd | deadcat:good one |
| 06:06.18 | SerajewelKS | when firefox gets a tab organizer like opera, i'll be sooo happy |
| 06:06.22 | positrix | IMHO firefox is only better than opera because it has livebookmarks, and is Free (as in freedom) softwater |
| 06:06.34 | Guerin | mmm, soft water |
| 06:06.35 | concept10 | Ive saw spyware get into firefox in windows today, it was wierd |
| 06:06.40 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (~DimmuR@cbr177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 06:07.01 | gfdgfd | what? |
| 06:07.03 | stouset | Anyone here familiar with Gtk/Glade programming? |
| 06:07.03 | positrix | i meant software (curse my dyslexic fingers) |
| 06:07.04 | K_Dallas | ease of use with opera is still something neither IE nor FF have approached |
| 06:07.28 | gfdgfd | safari is the best |
| 06:07.32 | furrywolf | SerajewelKS: when firefox goes more than a day without crashing, takes less than a second to respond to clicking or typing, and adds something resembling a useful feature set, I'll be sooo happy. |
| 06:07.35 | concept10 | stouset, whats the problem |
| 06:07.35 | gfdgfd | in my opinion |
| 06:08.01 | deadcat | gfdgfd: i have osx. used it for 3 min and trashed it and put linux on the machine |
| 06:08.01 | positrix | gfdgfd however, safari only works on OSX |
| 06:08.03 | concept10 | furrywolf, I havent seen firefox crash since 1.02 |
| 06:08.03 | Guerin | furrywolf: funny, I have none of these problems with it - and I routinely have it open for weeks with dozens of tabe, on a p2-233 |
| 06:08.14 | SerajewelKS | furrywolf, odd, because it does all those things over here |
| 06:08.29 | stouset | concept10: I'm trying to create a dialog box which retrieves information from the user, then hands that data back to the main window. |
| 06:08.33 | K_Dallas | Guerin, cannot be true! but if you say so |
| 06:08.37 | stouset | concept10: However, I don't want to make it modal, so it needs to be able to handle it asynchronously |
| 06:08.41 | tengulre | deadcat, I want use it in console mode? |
| 06:08.51 | furrywolf | Guerin: netscape 4.7 on my p2-350 is, and I'm not making this up, probably 20-50 times faster than firefox is on my dual p3-866. |
| 06:09.14 | gfdgfd | 20-50? |
| 06:09.19 | deadcat | tengulre: oh. then try motion |
| 06:09.24 | Guerin | K_Dallas: why can it not be? |
| 06:09.36 | Guerin | furrywolf: something on your box is horribly broken. |
| 06:09.44 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, http://freemind.sourceforge.net/ maybe this will do what i want... |
| 06:09.57 | deadcat | tengulre: or "webcam" <- pkg name |
| 06:10.15 | *** join/#debian prabakar (~prabakara@203.124.215.12) |
| 06:10.16 | furrywolf | there is over a second UI lag. you press a key typing into a textbox, it sits there for a second using 100% cpu (well, 50%, since it's not threaded and it's a dualie box), then it appears on the screen. every other program works perfectly. fresh profile or fresh firefox install, no change. |
| 06:10.26 | deadcat | gfdgfd: what camera/video camcorder you have to use with ffmpeg? |
| 06:10.38 | *** join/#debian mdh (~matthew@intology-gw2.intology.com.au) |
| 06:10.38 | concept10 | stouset, cant help on that one sorry. |
| 06:10.49 | gfdgfd | deadcat:I dont have one :( |
| 06:11.03 | stouset | concept10: thanks. |
| 06:11.06 | deadcat | who was asking about ffmpeg earlier then? i am confused |
| 06:11.06 | streuner | furrywolf: sounds like there is still firecrap running... |
| 06:11.23 | furrywolf | streuner: ? |
| 06:11.45 | SerajewelKS | furrywolf, what version of firefox? |
| 06:11.47 | concept10 | stouset, have you tried the gtk site? they have decent docs or go into the gnome irc server |
| 06:11.57 | gfdgfd | brb |
| 06:11.58 | positrix | furrywolf there is something wrong with your box. this box is 300 Mhz and firefox only has a 2/3 second UI lag. |
| 06:12.10 | furrywolf | 1.0.4 (latest as of last time I ran update/upgrade on etch) |
| 06:12.11 | concept10 | stouset, always alot of gnome folks around there |
| 06:12.28 | streuner | deadcat: /lastlog ffmpeg gave me three lines, only yours and iam connected more than 15 hours... |
| 06:12.49 | *** join/#debian jond3rd (~jond3rd@203.131.77.54) |
| 06:12.52 | SerajewelKS | well |
| 06:12.53 | deadcat | streuner: damn. must be talking to myself again. )= |
| 06:12.55 | furrywolf | positrix: no other program I've ever used has this problem. |
| 06:13.05 | deadcat | streuner: 22:30 < gfdgfd> anyone use ffmpeg? |
| 06:13.05 | SerajewelKS | i'm running 1.0.4 on an AMD 2500, and no lag at all |
| 06:13.11 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.15 | pilgrim | What's the port 111 (rpcbind) used for? Which service opened it? |
| 06:13.24 | SerajewelKS | pilgrim, netstat -tnlp |
| 06:13.29 | SerajewelKS | pilgrim, as root |
| 06:13.29 | deadcat | streuner: i knew i wasnt talking to myself. (= |
| 06:13.37 | jm_ | it's protmapper, so it's used by apps using RPC-s |
| 06:13.44 | streuner | NFS |
| 06:14.01 | *** join/#debian marcel (marcel@og-9c66.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 06:14.01 | furrywolf | then there's the frequent crashes, complete lack of features (opera does soooo much more), horrible memory usage (WHY does a browser need 300mb of ram to load a couple pages?)... |
| 06:14.09 | stouset | Yeah, I just hadn't heard a response from either #gnome or #gnome-debian :-) |
| 06:14.32 | pilgrim | SerajewelKS, thank you |
| 06:14.32 | *** join/#debian zomtec (~zomtec@p54A9A64C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:14.46 | positrix | furrywolf what you need to do is install about 20 or so extensions, then you get some of operas functionality. |
| 06:15.16 | *** part/#debian Blackhold (~lalalala@130.Red-80-38-54.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 06:15.31 | streuner | deadcat: nah, somebody asked about how to make a vcd, if s(he) disconnected i don't have it in /lastlog ... |
| 06:15.37 | *** join/#debian eeg3 (~eeg@user-2ivfg8n.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 06:15.41 | furrywolf | positrix: oh, than it can have a 10 second UI lag, use 2 gigs of ram, and crash before it's done starting? :P |
| 06:15.46 | deadcat | think i can use linux-2.6.12-rc2_pwc-10.0.7.patch.bz2 patch on 2.6.12.1? |
| 06:15.46 | furrywolf | s/than/then |
| 06:15.53 | *** join/#debian garmaflone (~root@APoitiers-106-2-1-73.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 06:15.53 | concept10 | where do you set default screen resolution? |
| 06:16.27 | *** join/#debian MobyTurbo (~chai@as5300-6.216-194-21-233.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
| 06:16.37 | furrywolf | deadcat: you can try. :P |
| 06:16.38 | positrix | concept10 in console or in X? |
| 06:16.40 | concept10 | stouset, try mono also |
| 06:16.48 | concept10 | positrix, X |
| 06:16.49 | deadcat | furrywolf: will do (= |
| 06:16.56 | stouset | Thanks, concept10. |
| 06:17.27 | concept10 | stouset, np |
| 06:17.54 | *** join/#debian Reformed (~ben@ben.transact.net.au) |
| 06:17.55 | furrywolf | oh well, I need sleep. *curls up on his tail* |
| 06:17.58 | n3x_ | anyone know if there is any way of finding how many sticks (1 or 2) are in a linux box |
| 06:17.59 | furrywolf | back tomorrow. :) |
| 06:18.08 | furrywolf | n3x_: sticks? |
| 06:18.16 | *** join/#debian corto (~hologram@overland10k.mo24.107.6.103.charter-stl.com) |
| 06:18.18 | concept10 | gnome never saves my preferred resolution, anyone have any clue where to change that? |
| 06:18.19 | Cyano-Mobile | open it up |
| 06:18.24 | deadcat | n3x_: stick on what? gum? |
| 06:18.29 | n3x_ | cant open it its in a datacentre |
| 06:18.48 | positrix | concept10 /etc/X11/XF86config i think |
| 06:18.53 | n3x_ | yes sticks of gum DUH |
| 06:19.04 | furrywolf | if I had sticks in my computer, I'd be worried a dog was in it too... |
| 06:19.07 | deadcat | n3x_: 4 |
| 06:19.11 | mwilson | n3x_: If it's your box, why wouldn't you know what's in it? And if it's not your box, what business of yours is it what's in it? |
| 06:19.13 | concept10 | positrix, thxx |
| 06:19.14 | *** part/#debian gg (gg@202.105.233.24) |
| 06:19.17 | furrywolf | you might want to define sticks. :) |
| 06:19.22 | Reformed | What is the best way to rebuild/repair APT? There's a problem on my system where by if I try to install any packaage it says there is no installation candidate but it has been refered to by another package. I am running sarge. |
| 06:19.32 | n3x_ | mwilson: its my box, its been there for 200~days and i cant remember |
| 06:19.54 | *** join/#debian egon_spengler (~egon@71.98.70.143) |
| 06:20.12 | tengulre | deadcat,do u known which webcam is better? |
| 06:20.44 | cahoot | n3x_: with a 2.6 kernel and the eeprom module you can get info like that |
| 06:21.07 | deadcat | tengulre: no. but i use logitech 3000. aint bad. the ones with OV511 aint bad either i think |
| 06:21.08 | *** join/#debian sobersabre (~bilbo@l192-115-16-116.broadband.actcom.net.il) |
| 06:21.23 | positrix | n3x_ screwdriver && open-case && look-at-the-sticks |
| 06:21.23 | *** join/#debian sobersabre (~bilbo@l192-115-16-116.broadband.actcom.net.il) |
| 06:21.45 | *** join/#debian Csabo2 (~dumbass@cpe-65-25-158-165.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 06:21.56 | *** join/#debian toyowheelin (~greg@c-24-19-105-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 06:21.56 | *** join/#debian sobersabre (~bilbo@l192-115-16-116.broadband.actcom.net.il) |
| 06:21.59 | Csabo2 | Hey i cant get Service pack 2 to install |
| 06:22.02 | *** join/#debian shuning (~freespace@60-240-0-205-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) |
| 06:22.04 | Csabo2 | can someone help |
| 06:22.14 | *** join/#debian zomtec (~zomtec@p54A9A64C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:22.14 | sobersabre | ? |
| 06:22.16 | gfdgfd | isnt that winsows? |
| 06:22.18 | furrywolf | Csabo2: no |
| 06:22.22 | nvz | how do I get around shell commands interpreting filenames, if they begin with bad chars like - or such? |
| 06:22.29 | Csabo2 | i need SP2 |
| 06:22.32 | Csabo2 | or else ill get ms.blaster |
| 06:22.36 | toyowheelin | ahaha |
| 06:22.37 | Csabo2 | someone help me isntall it on my debian box |
| 06:22.41 | toyowheelin | wow |
| 06:22.49 | nvz | Csabo2: debian doesnt have a Service Pack 2 |
| 06:22.52 | sobersabre | Csabo2, you need to disable dhcp first. |
| 06:22.52 | Csabo2 | Yes it does |
| 06:23.00 | nvz | Csabo2: no, it doesnt |
| 06:23.02 | positrix | someone DDOS him |
| 06:23.05 | sobersabre | and close all the windows. |
| 06:23.07 | toyowheelin | lol |
| 06:23.10 | Csabo2 | lol |
| 06:23.15 | Csabo2 | i bet toyowheelin i could get banned |
| 06:23.17 | Csabo2 | didnt work too well |
| 06:23.20 | Csabo2 | you bastards are too nice |
| 06:23.24 | Csabo2 | #fedora did it quick |
| 06:23.33 | toyowheelin | lamer |
| 06:23.34 | furrywolf | he's a troll, just /ignore him |
| 06:23.36 | Csabo2 | ur mom |
| 06:23.42 | nvz | Csabo2: ops around here are busy cooking |
| 06:23.47 | Csabo2 | awsome |
| 06:23.49 | shuning | debian always has been more mature then fc :P |
| 06:23.55 | Csabo2 | when was sarge released as stable? |
| 06:23.59 | Csabo2 | lol |
| 06:24.03 | nvz | Csabo2: June 6th IIRC |
| 06:24.06 | Csabo2 | wow |
| 06:24.11 | gfdgfd | brb |
| 06:24.16 | Csabo2 | awsom,e |
| 06:24.20 | Csabo2 | whats the new test called? |
| 06:24.24 | *** join/#debian fike (~Fernando@200.161.1.85) |
| 06:24.24 | sobersabre | Csabo2 you are pathetic. |
| 06:24.30 | sobersabre | :) |
| 06:24.31 | *** part/#debian toyowheelin (~greg@c-24-19-105-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 06:24.31 | nvz | Csabo2: etch |
| 06:24.31 | Csabo2 | sobersabre your mom has cancer shes going to die |
| 06:24.34 | Csabo2 | lol etch |
| 06:24.53 | sobersabre | my mom does have cancer |
| 06:25.05 | sobersabre | and she is going to die. it is true. |
| 06:25.06 | hologr4m | can anyone point me to the proper file to shutdown the dictd service daemon listening on port 765? .. i cant seem to nail this one on a fresh sarge install |
| 06:25.12 | sobersabre | but it is not so funny |
| 06:25.29 | Csabo2 | ya start run services.msc |
| 06:25.33 | MobyTurbo | !ops Csabo2 is an admitted troll |
| 06:25.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Csabo2 is an admitted troll |
| 06:25.46 | cartel_ | ack, another issue |
| 06:25.54 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 06:25.57 | *** kick/#debian [Csabo2!foobar@p5481E0E5.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 06:25.57 | cartel_ | segfault on apt-get update |
| 06:25.57 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cpe-65-25-158-165.columbus.res.rr.com] by caphuso |
| 06:26.00 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 06:26.10 | *** join/#debian johny (~johny@nobugconsulting.ro) |
| 06:26.13 | MobyTurbo | caphuso: thanks |
| 06:26.20 | *** join/#debian directhex (~jms@shields.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 06:26.29 | streuner | !beer caphuso |
| 06:26.34 | sobersabre | guys. about the ppc port. is anybody in here is related to it ? |
| 06:26.45 | *** join/#debian peterrooney (~peter@d64-180-211-199.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 06:26.52 | *** join/#debian kls (kls@219-88-25-220.dialup.xtra.co.nz) |
| 06:27.05 | *** part/#debian kls (kls@219-88-25-220.dialup.xtra.co.nz) |
| 06:27.09 | sobersabre | the last is is redundant. |
| 06:28.13 | MobyTurbo | an antic is what happens when you step on an ant. Ick |
| 06:29.21 | *** part/#debian Faolan (~voidal@dsl-68.174.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au) |
| 06:29.29 | *** join/#debian rking (rking@mail.panoptic.com) |
| 06:29.32 | pilgrim | Sarge (the stable release of debian, right?) is supposed to have apache 1.3.xx right? |
| 06:29.41 | stouset | And 2. |
| 06:29.54 | caphuso | pilgrim: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 06:29.58 | sparr_ | Are there any media players for linux that can automagically keep audio and video in sync? |
| 06:30.03 | rking | what is the meaning of the number in: /proc/12345/fd/* for "socket:", eg: socket:[18875090] |
| 06:30.05 | sparr_ | Free and free, preferably |
| 06:30.10 | tarzeau | how long does the sid c++ abi rape take? |
| 06:30.11 | rking | in other words, how do i map that to an actual socket? |
| 06:30.13 | *** part/#debian stouset (~stephen@adsl-211-163-36.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 06:30.22 | tarzeau | sparr_: mplayer can? |
| 06:30.41 | streuner | tarzeau: well, somebody said till every packages is uploaded... |
| 06:30.53 | tarzeau | streuner: when is that? |
| 06:31.01 | caphuso | tarzeau: probably a couple of months |
| 06:31.02 | jm_ | rking: lsof will tell you |
| 06:31.12 | tarzeau | caphuso: thanks |
| 06:31.13 | *** part/#debian gullyfoyle (jon@64.252.19.138) |
| 06:31.20 | pilgrim | caphuso, :) thanks...first time I checked I only say 1.3.XX |
| 06:31.48 | sparr_ | tarzeau: i took mplayers absence from my apt sources to indicate it isnt Free? |
| 06:31.53 | rking | jm_: so lsof | grep 18875090? |
| 06:31.59 | tarzeau | sparr_: no it's really free software |
| 06:32.06 | jm_ | rking: yes |
| 06:32.08 | tarzeau | sparr_: there's another problem with it |
| 06:32.12 | *** join/#debian uws (uws@deus.et.tudelft.nl) |
| 06:32.14 | MobyTurbo | sparr_: /msg dpkg marillet |
| 06:32.23 | rking | jm_++ |
| 06:32.42 | sparr_ | dpkg doesnt seem to be responding |
| 06:32.48 | jm_ | rking: not sure what the actual number means, I guess one would have to check lsof sources or even kernel sources |
| 06:32.48 | sparr_ | dpkg, tell sparr about marillet |
| 06:33.02 | streuner | !tell sparr_ about marillat |
| 06:33.02 | MobyTurbo | !test |
| 06:33.03 | dpkg | Yes, mobyturbo, you're still online. |
| 06:33.04 | sparr_ | dpkg, marillet? |
| 06:33.07 | rking | jm_: i assume it's just the socket id, possibly the value of the pointer |
| 06:33.09 | sparr_ | aha |
| 06:33.11 | sparr_ | damn typos |
| 06:33.21 | MobyTurbo | oops, sorry about that |
| 06:33.30 | jm_ | rking: could be |
| 06:33.55 | *** join/#debian bronaugh (~bronaugh@S0106525405f26ac3.wk.shawcable.net) |
| 06:33.56 | sparr_ | streuner: marillat ftp is down? :( |
| 06:34.09 | postel | was |
| 06:34.11 | tarzeau | sparr_: i think i have a buidl too, gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ |
| 06:34.12 | streuner | sparr_: use a mirror instead |
| 06:34.12 | bronaugh | hmm... what's the best way to make Caps_Lock into control? |
| 06:34.18 | tarzeau | sparr_: not marillats, but it does fine for me |
| 06:34.22 | positrix | bronaugh xmodamp |
| 06:34.27 | bronaugh | preferably without making xemacs angry like my methods seem to do. |
| 06:34.30 | MobyTurbo | sparr_: maybe there's mirrors, search on apt-get.org (hopefully I didn't mispell *that*) |
| 06:34.32 | caphuso | bronaugh: xmodmap. xkeycaps if you don't understand the former |
| 06:34.33 | *** join/#debian ncc (~ncc@ip68-6-254-72.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 06:34.48 | bronaugh | xmodmap -e "clear Lock"; xmodmap -e "add control = Caps_Lock" |
| 06:34.57 | bronaugh | but xemacs gets fussed with that. |
| 06:35.48 | postel | sparr_: ist ok, its been down for the past 2 days, works now |
| 06:35.50 | postel | # ping ftp.nerim.net |
| 06:35.50 | postel | ftp.nerim.net is alive |
| 06:35.55 | *** join/#debian gin__ (gin@200.92.246.250) |
| 06:36.06 | *** join/#debian bushk (~bushk@ce-aus-153-235.dmisinetworks.net) |
| 06:36.15 | *** part/#debian SavannahLion (~SavannahL@c-24-23-40-100.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:36.18 | sparr_ | hmmm |
| 06:36.21 | *** join/#debian sgraungaard (~graungaar@cpe.atm2-0-73178.0x50a6d452.abnxx10.customer.tele.dk) |
| 06:36.27 | sparr_ | for athlon, mplayer-k6 or mplayer-586? |
| 06:36.34 | *** join/#debian buzzzz (~buzzzz@buzzzz.student.supporter.pdpc) |
| 06:36.34 | sparr_ | normally id go with -k7 but i dont see that |
| 06:36.35 | *** join/#debian overnout (~noname@C3324.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 06:36.46 | *** join/#debian cyrix^ (~cyrix@0x55511bbb.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 06:36.51 | bronaugh | or here's another wierd question... how can I list what keyboard maps are available in X, and what variants there are? |
| 06:36.52 | caphuso | sparr_: -k6 |
| 06:37.45 | *** join/#debian wers (~wers@zobeyni.odn.sgsnet.se) |
| 06:38.05 | gin__ | where can i find the, eggdrop.conf if i have installed eggdrop for, apt-get ? |
| 06:38.12 | *** join/#debian dodgyville (luke@d06-ds11-mel.alphalink.com.au) |
| 06:38.16 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 06:38.34 | postel | bronaugh: /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/ |
| 06:38.34 | cartel_ | where is the package archive again |
| 06:38.39 | cartel_ | the one that has all versions of a package |
| 06:38.58 | *** join/#debian carson (~Godot@cpe-67-10-250-46.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 06:38.59 | jm_ | cartel_: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 06:39.10 | *** join/#debian caravena (~caravena@200.72.191.188) |
| 06:39.13 | *** join/#debian kzm (~ketil@sefirot.ii.uib.no) |
| 06:39.14 | *** join/#debian hexxeh (~jms@shields.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 06:39.23 | *** join/#debian pafrusurewa (~stefan@85-124-9-224.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 06:39.35 | pureone | gib__ do dpkg --search eggdrop |
| 06:40.03 | cyrix^ | does anyone know why i get a segmentation failt when trying to run "./hlds_l_3111_full.bin" ? :( |
| 06:40.36 | pureone | gin__* |
| 06:41.04 | cartel_ | ok.... jm_ the package has 404... |
| 06:41.09 | bronaugh | postel: figured it out :) thanks anyhow. |
| 06:41.13 | streuner | dpkg, marillat is also http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 06:41.13 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 06:41.54 | cartel_ | in fact, /archive has 404... |
| 06:42.21 | tarzeau | cyrix^: got sarge? |
| 06:42.29 | tarzeau | cyrix^: on i386? |
| 06:42.40 | *** part/#debian ncc (~ncc@ip68-6-254-72.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 06:43.03 | hexxeh | cyrix^, because Valve hate you for using linux, and wish you were dead |
| 06:43.24 | *** join/#debian dyneuser (~dynebolic@ip70-186-97-10.ma.dl.cox.net) |
| 06:43.25 | cartel_ | i think its dead |
| 06:43.39 | dyneuser | Does anyone know how to use dhcpc ?/ |
| 06:43.43 | cartel_ | actually cause valve are lazy and only support one platform |
| 06:43.45 | cyrix^ | hexxeh thats sounds fair! :( |
| 06:44.04 | dn4 | how do I configure the kernel? |
| 06:44.04 | hexxeh | cartel_, nope, it's largely anti-linux bias, not merely laziness |
| 06:44.08 | *** join/#debian zophyx (~Emile@zophyx.student.supporter.pdpc) |
| 06:44.15 | cartel_ | hexxeh, but the server is available for linux |
| 06:44.36 | cyrix^ | tarzeau yup.. is it installed on debian 3.1 .. Another debian installed whit a sarge net rc, has no problems.. |
| 06:44.51 | hexxeh | cartel_, through neccessity, not choice |
| 06:44.52 | *** join/#debian joh_ (~joh@grn-dhcp049.studby.uio.no) |
| 06:44.53 | tarzeau | cyrix^: too bad. ask valve |
| 06:45.05 | tarzeau | hexxeh: and what about id? |
| 06:45.12 | cartel_ | i dont need to, i know their position |
| 06:45.12 | *** join/#debian herbi (~sina@204.244.175.163.net-conex.com) |
| 06:45.17 | cyrix^ | hm. crappy |
| 06:45.21 | hexxeh | tarzeau, id have been making games for linux for 11 years |
| 06:45.33 | cartel_ | you know the port of quake3 and doom3 was done by one guy?? |
| 06:45.43 | gfdgfd | really? |
| 06:45.46 | cartel_ | hexxeh, id also use linux development machines |
| 06:45.46 | *** part/#debian bronaugh (~bronaugh@S0106525405f26ac3.wk.shawcable.net) |
| 06:45.48 | cartel_ | yes |
| 06:45.51 | gfdgfd | sweet |
| 06:45.54 | hexxeh | cartel_, id designs its engiones to be trivially portable |
| 06:45.55 | tarzeau | hexxeh: and how long does valve exist? |
| 06:45.56 | cartel_ | Xero |
| 06:46.11 | gfdgfd | isnt that a quake character? |
| 06:46.14 | hexxeh | tarzeau, since about 1997, funded by a large payoff from microsoft, to a team of ex microsoft coders |
| 06:46.16 | cartel_ | thats Xaero |
| 06:46.20 | gfdgfd | ahh |
| 06:46.30 | ethics | using kpgk theres no reason i need to compile on the specific reason if it's got the same hardware yeah? |
| 06:46.33 | cartel_ | Xero is the id linux guy |
| 06:46.48 | gfdgfd | who did the mac port? |
| 06:46.51 | cartel_ | hexxeh: i didnt know they were microsoft |
| 06:46.52 | *** join/#debian jenipapo (~chf@mirail-4-82-227-180-36.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 06:46.53 | gfdgfd | its horrible |
| 06:46.57 | hexxeh | id have had several linux guys over the years. these days it's timothee bessett |
| 06:47.01 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: of doom3? |
| 06:47.04 | gfdgfd | ya |
| 06:47.12 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: i dunno |
| 06:47.14 | *** join/#debian Greed (~Greed@195.54.198.223) |
| 06:47.19 | hexxeh | doom 3's mac issues are largely hardware problems |
| 06:47.28 | gfdgfd | like what? |
| 06:47.32 | cartel_ | but you'll notice that the linux port doesnt have 5.1 sound |
| 06:47.40 | hexxeh | cartel_, yeah it does |
| 06:47.44 | cartel_ | and some other features |
| 06:47.47 | ethics | hexxeh, understandably with the options on different cards |
| 06:47.48 | cartel_ | hexxeh did they add it? |
| 06:47.53 | *** join/#debian robin_sz (~robin@adsl.redpoint.org.uk) |
| 06:48.01 | tarzeau | cartel_: i don't notice with my one large mono speaker... |
| 06:48.09 | hexxeh | gfdgfd, partly because even a top end mac has a junk graphics card, partly because it's heavily optimized for math the g4/5 aren't good at |
| 06:48.13 | cartel_ | id is proof that game design for linux is easy |
| 06:48.24 | hexxeh | cartel_, came in in the 1.1.1264 patch i think |
| 06:48.30 | cartel_ | hexxeh, nice |
| 06:48.36 | gfdgfd | radeon x800 is not ood? |
| 06:48.40 | gfdgfd | good |
| 06:48.43 | rking | do processes with CLOSE_WAIT sockets typically spin uncontrollably? |
| 06:49.02 | ethics | neverwinter nights had 5.1 support in their client but not sure if it was mac usable... |
| 06:49.11 | cartel_ | between id and 3dr or whoever it is makes unreal that is proof enough that cross platform gaming is acheivable |
| 06:49.11 | hexxeh | ati is generally weaker than nvidia for opengl, even under windows |
| 06:49.16 | hexxeh | ethics, there's a mac version |
| 06:49.28 | cartel_ | but stuff like transgaming actually weakens the prospect of gaming on linux |
| 06:49.30 | hexxeh | cartel_, it's achievable, but there are more than technical arguments |
| 06:49.34 | gfdgfd | no altivec in the mac version |
| 06:49.55 | ethics | hexxeh, did it have 5.1 sound on mac i wonder |
| 06:49.56 | cartel_ | i know Valve work with transgaming to help them fix wine to run hl2 |
| 06:52.06 | cartel_ | and by work i mean answer their questions |
| 06:52.14 | cartel_ | not commit code |
| 06:52.41 | cartel_ | but having something work under transgaming means they are less likely to port to wine |
| 06:53.24 | hexxeh | not neccessarily |
| 06:53.31 | ethics | im having issues with a kernel compile, hald reckons i dong have kernels support for it but im using the .config from a debian kernel with just ide & sata controllers built in...im still making everything else but no initrd...boots fine just hald screams at me and ethernet doesnt work... im going to download a different kernel image in case i have a dodgy .config from a installer kernel but i was curious if anyone kn |
| 06:53.31 | ethics | ows about hald and kernel parts that are needed. |
| 06:54.49 | *** join/#debian bdlug66 (~pasha@69.88.3.140) |
| 06:54.52 | hexxeh | doom 3 working in cedega and winex for about a month after the windows release, it didn't stop a proper linux version coming out. unreal tournament 2004 also works under cedega/wine, though the linux version was released in the box with the windows version, making it a bit redundant |
| 06:54.55 | *** join/#debian grahamoz (~nottellin@CPE-138-130-131-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au) |
| 06:55.11 | liable | ethics: what does hald say? |
| 06:55.16 | bdlug66 | kmencoder congiure problem |
| 06:55.20 | cartel_ | well it means they can ignore linux, and say, use transgaming |
| 06:55.22 | hexxeh | part of the problemn is, there are a reasonable number of games which are ported to linux, but never released |
| 06:55.40 | bdlug66 | is says Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries could not found i have install te dev packages but did not working |
| 06:55.41 | Guerin | why would you port a game and then not release it/ |
| 06:55.43 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:55.46 | cartel_ | Guerin: costs |
| 06:55.54 | hexxeh | i.e. a number of people & companies who port games to mac also port to linux as part of the testing process, but the publishers refuse to allow said linux version to be released |
| 06:55.54 | cartel_ | Guerin: support is a big one |
| 06:55.59 | ethics | liable: im not at that PC anymore but from memory it just says hald cannot start as your kernel does not support it. |
| 06:55.59 | Guerin | cartel_: surely porting costs are higher than releasing... |
| 06:56.03 | Guerin | cartel_: ah, I see. |
| 06:56.15 | gfdgfd | there should be 1 release,win,mac,linux all on the same cd/dvd |
| 06:56.19 | cartel_ | Guerin: with linux you have a million dependencies and stuff to worry about |
| 06:56.28 | cartel_ | Guerin: and also issues with distros |
| 06:56.30 | hexxeh | gfdgfd, nice idea. try www.uplink.co.uk |
| 06:56.33 | Guerin | cartel_: right. |
| 06:56.38 | gin__ | i have a problem with library, in "make" of my eggdrop, the error is the next: |
| 06:56.39 | gin__ | ./eggdrop: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:56.45 | cartel_ | Guerin: and they dont want to be dealing with screaming mandrake users who cant work out ./install |
| 06:56.54 | *** join/#debian wers (~wers@zobeyni.odn.sgsnet.se) |
| 06:57.05 | hexxeh | or screaming debian users who can't work out "click here"? |
| 06:57.09 | Guerin | cartel_: releasing no-support clients could still be worth it, though. |
| 06:57.18 | gin__ | libtcl8.4.so exist in /usr/local/lib and i have added, in /etc/ld.so.cong |
| 06:57.22 | cartel_ | Guerin: www.icculus.org |
| 06:57.22 | ethics | liable it was very indescript...im not hurt by it atm but i was surprised as the original kernel the .config was from did not have any issues...im using 2.6.8 source though. |
| 06:57.25 | Reformed | What is the best way to rebuild/repair APT? There's a problem on my system where by if I try to install any packaage it says there is no installation candidate but it has been refered to by another package. I am running sarge. Guessing I need to rebuild something? |
| 06:57.26 | gin__ | cong/conf* |
| 06:57.34 | gfdgfd | what is that uplink thing? |
| 06:57.36 | hexxeh | Guerin, could, but there's a general culture at tyhe publishers that goes against it |
| 06:57.37 | cartel_ | one of the icculus guys did the ut2k4 port |
| 06:57.40 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: its a game |
| 06:57.45 | gfdgfd | sweet |
| 06:57.46 | simonrvn | gin__: how did you add /usr/local/lib to ld.so.conf ? |
| 06:57.52 | Guerin | hexxeh: yeah, I understand that... with certain exceptions, like id |
| 06:58.01 | hexxeh | cartel_, "one of"? icculus is ryan gordon (the porter)'s online nickname |
| 06:58.10 | jm_ | why would you add that to ld.so.conf? It's in it by default |
| 06:58.11 | hexxeh | Guerin, or epic |
| 06:58.13 | cartel_ | Guerin: even id dont say on the box it runs on linux |
| 06:58.14 | gin__ | simonrvn, manually as root, with nano edit. |
| 06:58.20 | liable | ethics: what did you cahnge in the config then? |
| 06:58.24 | hexxeh | cartel_, that's one thing epic have over id |
| 06:58.29 | cartel_ | hexxeh: wow i thought it was a few people |
| 06:58.30 | simonrvn | gin__: no, i mean more what did you put in it? |
| 06:58.33 | nF3r | my netcard is running but can't seem to ping the net.. any help ? |
| 06:58.37 | simonrvn | gin__: i was unclear |
| 06:58.41 | cartel_ | i think that was more due to activision than id |
| 06:58.54 | Guerin | cartel_: heh |
| 06:58.58 | mdh | activision/id remind me of commodore/amiga ;) |
| 06:58.59 | cartel_ | for instance no boxed doom3 for linux (unlike the tin box edition q3) |
| 06:59.14 | hexxeh | cartel_, check his resume, at http://icculus.org/~icculus/resume.txt |
| 06:59.18 | gin__ | simon, i put only the directory, /usr/local/lib .. thete is the libtcl8.4.so |
| 06:59.25 | cartel_ | hexxeh: ahh, there are other people hosted there |
| 06:59.32 | cartel_ | hexxeh: remnants of loki |
| 06:59.54 | cartel_ | now where am i going to get this corrupted file |
| 07:00.00 | cartel_ | if snapshot is dead |
| 07:00.06 | simonrvn | gin__: ok good |
| 07:00.20 | ethics | liable: changed cpu to p4/xeon/celeron.....PIIX ide part inbuilt and Intel sata inbuilt ide-generic,ide-cd ide-disk inbuilt everything else the same...only the modules i installed triggered any warning as expected during the kpgk build |
| 07:00.37 | simonrvn | gin__: though it was unneeded i think, since it's built to look there IIRC. but good thinking anyway |
| 07:00.44 | hexxeh | cartel_, yeah. notice, though, several entries on that resume for "contracted to port" which have never been released |
| 07:00.58 | *** join/#debian karsten_ (~karsten@o1-dialup-66-81-220-117.rev.o1.com) |
| 07:01.06 | cartel_ | hexxeh: interesting |
| 07:01.25 | *** join/#debian tag (~tag@tag.member.p3m) |
| 07:01.26 | *** join/#debian pafrusurewa (~stefan@85-124-9-224.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 07:01.52 | cartel_ | i need an older version of libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2, which appears to be causing apt to segfault when i try and update to sarge |
| 07:02.01 | gin__ | simonrvn, what u mean.. ? |
| 07:02.05 | gfdgfd | What kind of game is that(uplink) |
| 07:02.15 | carson | I want to set up a file server on my debian server? Should I do nfs or samba? Fwiw, I'll be accessing it from a Mac. |
| 07:02.16 | simonrvn | gin__: don't worry about it :) |
| 07:02.18 | Guerin | gfdgfd: one you play on a computer. |
| 07:02.21 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: its its own kind of game. think strategy |
| 07:02.24 | hexxeh | gfdgfd, strategy is probably the best descriptor. there IS a demo, you know |
| 07:02.31 | tag | Okay; is there some sort of mechanism for configuring what shows up in the system menus? They're totally fscking cluttered now that the gnome menu's have been rearranged |
| 07:02.31 | ethics | liable: only things i can think of that may have caused it : .config from installer kernel is bad..(unlikely) Using a symlink to source (unlikely but worth a shot) and kernel is earlier and i only installed kernel-source not kernel headers also. |
| 07:02.32 | gfdgfd | i just downloadedit |
| 07:02.35 | cartel_ | what the |
| 07:02.38 | hexxeh | !find libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 07:02.42 | dpkg | libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2: (The GNU stdc++ library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1:2.95.4-22 (sid), Packaged size: 124 kB, Installed size: 340 kB |
| 07:02.43 | cartel_ | he ported mohaa to linux |
| 07:02.48 | *** join/#debian Eulex (~alex@h31n1fls33o998.telia.com) |
| 07:03.09 | gin__ | simonrvn, so if don't finish the make i can't run the eggdrop |
| 07:03.10 | gfdgfd | that game looks pretty awesome |
| 07:03.10 | cartel_ | and AAO |
| 07:03.16 | hexxeh | cartel_, yes, it says he also ported the expansion, but there is no public release of the expansion |
| 07:03.41 | simonrvn | gin__: why are you installing eggdrop from source? there's eggdrop in debian. |
| 07:03.49 | hexxeh | cartel_, also note he tends to port clients fior anything he's contracted to port the server for, but is simply not allowed to release said client |
| 07:04.07 | liable | ethics: what if you manually start it after boot has completed? could be worth a shot. |
| 07:04.22 | gin__ | simonrvn, i have installed an eggdrop with apt-get |
| 07:04.29 | cartel_ | is there AAO client for linux?? |
| 07:04.32 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:04.33 | cartel_ | AAO is very advanced |
| 07:04.38 | hexxeh | cartel_, yes, there is |
| 07:04.41 | cartel_ | ok cool |
| 07:04.47 | cartel_ | phew |
| 07:05.00 | cartel_ | note also that what few games get ported to linux tend to be 3d shootemups |
| 07:05.10 | cartel_ | the notable exception being alpha centauri |
| 07:05.30 | hexxeh | cartel_, version numbers tend to lag the windows release though |
| 07:05.41 | nvz | and unreal tournament, and doom, doom2, doom3 |
| 07:05.42 | cartel_ | well at least it gets updated |
| 07:05.44 | hexxeh | cartel_, most pc gamers are only interested in first person shooters |
| 07:05.45 | cartel_ | probably very few users |
| 07:05.48 | *** join/#debian nomed^ (~daniele@host109-122.pool8254.interbusiness.it) |
| 07:05.48 | ethics | liable: yeah i tried that as i figured discover may have got muffled but same issue...it was unusual as i have done the same thing on my home system but it was a mature system and had a heap of the headers and modules etc added already so i may have had something to assist it... |
| 07:05.53 | cartel_ | using linux |
| 07:05.54 | nvz | apperently you arent looking hard enough |
| 07:05.56 | *** part/#debian nomed^ (~daniele@host109-122.pool8254.interbusiness.it) |
| 07:06.03 | hexxeh | right, off to work |
| 07:06.04 | nF3r | can anyone help me solve how i get my net connection up ? |
| 07:06.18 | *** join/#debian AciD|Wrk (~diana@213.91.216.252) |
| 07:06.26 | cartel_ | i think the stats on ut2k3 said that they had 0.5% linux |
| 07:06.31 | cartel_ | and about the same for quake3 |
| 07:06.38 | gfdgfd | quake3 rules |
| 07:06.50 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: more specifically mods for quake3 rule |
| 07:06.50 | Guerin | bah, quake3 was dull as dishwater |
| 07:06.59 | gfdgfd | instaunlagged |
| 07:07.00 | ethics | liable: its no dramas ill play more tommorow i had a few different ideas to try...im going to take my home kernel in as its the same modules for hardware...just have to update udev. the maintainer made a udev deb for me so that should hit unstable soon 8) |
| 07:07.01 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: truecombat and the immortal ra3 :D |
| 07:07.04 | hexxeh | it > q3a |
| 07:07.07 | hexxeh | *ut |
| 07:07.13 | tengulre | hello |
| 07:07.17 | gfdgfd | havent tried that one |
| 07:07.28 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: ra3???? |
| 07:07.31 | gfdgfd | ya |
| 07:07.36 | mdh | cartel_: maybe because they insist on bringing out the linux versions 12 months or so after the windows version even if both are developed simultaneously (eg, quake3) |
| 07:07.37 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: its the archetype quake mod |
| 07:07.44 | gfdgfd | sweet |
| 07:07.52 | mdh | so gamers just buy the windows version instead so they can play |
| 07:07.58 | ethics | liable so that should take care of all the 2.6.12 issues ive found so far 8) |
| 07:08.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 757] by debhelper |
| 07:08.09 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: check it out http://www.ra3planet.com/ |
| 07:08.13 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: still maintained |
| 07:08.17 | gfdgfd | thanks |
| 07:08.19 | *** join/#debian ixi (foobar@62.84.110.152) |
| 07:08.26 | ethics | liable this is a 2.6.8 that failed but its only a toybox so any working kernel will do hehe |
| 07:08.48 | cartel_ | hexxeh: did you know that id are cleaning up quake 3 code to replace proprietrary elements so they can release the engine as oss? |
| 07:09.00 | cartel_ | oh hes gone |
| 07:09.07 | *** join/#debian sypher (~sypher@213-140-6-123.fastres.net) |
| 07:09.14 | cartel_ | bugat |
| 07:09.16 | *** join/#debian TiMiDo (~Debian@timido.user) |
| 07:09.27 | gfdgfd | cartel_:you ever play instaunlagged? |
| 07:09.36 | ethics | whats the most uptodate list of packages for sid? P.D.O or somewhere else? |
| 07:09.41 | ixi | Hi. I get "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" and "Xlib: No protocol specified" error when try to run windowed applications under another user. Its strange since yesterday everything was ok. What could broke? |
| 07:09.51 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: i played vanilla unlagged and freeze tag unlagged |
| 07:09.52 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question i'm using, sarge how can i update from sarge to woody? |
| 07:10.08 | gfdgfd | freeze tag rules |
| 07:10.08 | cartel_ | TiMiDo thats a downgrade |
| 07:10.13 | gin__ | simonrvn, i did, apt-get install eggdrop |
| 07:10.14 | gfdgfd | with the rail gun |
| 07:10.20 | TiMiDo | is it possible? |
| 07:10.31 | jm_ | it's normal that other users are not allowed to connect to display started by you |
| 07:10.38 | Guerin | TiMiDo: anything's possible, but if you have to ask, it's not possible for you. |
| 07:10.47 | gin__ | simonrvn, and i have setting up but i was search the, eggdrop.conf and i should compile that things |
| 07:10.48 | ethics | ixi: xbase-clients i think the package name is....is it installed? |
| 07:11.14 | liable | ethics: hmm, I've never had a problem with it, and have compiled a few kernels, would like to know what the reason is. |
| 07:11.17 | simonrvn | gin__: you don't need to; it's just the default eggdrop conf |
| 07:11.19 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: did you ever play corkscrew? |
| 07:11.20 | Guerin | ethics: apt-get update |
| 07:11.22 | ixi | jm_: I said something broke. Before today that worked since I especially configured my system in this way |
| 07:11.30 | gfdgfd | cartel_:never have |
| 07:11.35 | gfdgfd | cartel_:is it good |
| 07:11.36 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: acid quake? |
| 07:11.42 | jm_ | ixi: so configure it again in "this way" |
| 07:11.48 | mdh | ixi: I think it isn't broke, it's "fixed" |
| 07:11.48 | gfdgfd | cartel_:I usually only play insta |
| 07:11.51 | ethics | guerin: ill have to i guess 8(...im only dialup 8( |
| 07:11.56 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: acid quake i dont reccomend for anyone with epilepsy |
| 07:11.56 | *** join/#debian juanma (~juanma@57.Red-80-36-30.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 07:11.59 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: cool |
| 07:12.05 | Guerin | ethics: then p.d.o |
| 07:12.06 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: corkscrew is a rail instagib mod |
| 07:12.09 | mdh | ixi: since the behaviour you had before sounds very broken (any user can run clients on your X server) |
| 07:12.11 | gfdgfd | sweet |
| 07:12.19 | gfdgfd | i'l check it out |
| 07:12.22 | ixi | jm_: I set evn variable to /home/_user_who_started_x/.XAuthority |
| 07:12.27 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: very cool looking rail and it explodes when it hits.. you can rocket jump with it |
| 07:12.27 | gfdgfd | whats your name on quake cartel_? |
| 07:12.30 | mdh | ixi: you need to 'man xauth' |
| 07:12.31 | ixi | mdh: <- |
| 07:12.35 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: also has the hook |
| 07:12.40 | jm_ | ixi: which one? |
| 07:12.41 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: stowner |
| 07:12.41 | gin__ | simonrvn, so.. what must i to do ? |
| 07:12.51 | gfdgfd | mine is Kings |
| 07:12.57 | simonrvn | gin__: configure it, then have fun with it :) |
| 07:13.03 | cartel_ | gfdgfd: i dont have much time to play any more |
| 07:13.09 | ixi | jm_: XAUTHORITY |
| 07:13.13 | gfdgfd | ya,i havent played in like a month |
| 07:13.38 | jm_ | ixi: maybe that other user can no longer read the file? either way, this is not a good idea -- /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 07:13.48 | concept10 | does exit $? have to be at end of every shell script? |
| 07:13.52 | *** join/#debian Montana (~montana@bgp01048406bgs.southg01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 07:14.01 | *** join/#debian illustir (~alper@c529c7a69.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 07:14.14 | Montana | Has only setup a printer thats shared from WinXP? |
| 07:14.14 | *** join/#debian lobz (~lobz@fs1.wit-sys.hu) |
| 07:14.18 | Guerin | concept10: no |
| 07:14.19 | *** join/#debian Edis0n (~weber@u16-173.dsl.vianetworks.de) |
| 07:14.27 | concept10 | Guerin, thanks |
| 07:14.27 | Guerin | concept10: but providing information is good |
| 07:14.30 | ethics | guerin: dpo doesnt have it yet so it may not be there yet ..update running sigh |
| 07:15.02 | gin__ | simonrvn, that im trying but in, ~/eggdrop1.6 i must firts, do a make to compile that shits so is when show me the mistake of the library |
| 07:15.06 | gfdgfd | gtg fellas,gnight |
| 07:15.08 | ethics | guerin: thx for confirming that dpo and update were the best ways tho |
| 07:15.10 | gfdgfd | have fun |
| 07:15.10 | ixi | jm_: ok, I'll check |
| 07:15.14 | cahoot | Montana: printer on the win or on the linux box? |
| 07:15.19 | Montana | windows |
| 07:15.25 | liable | Montana: yes, go to samba.org, good docs there. |
| 07:16.04 | cartel_ | arrgh |
| 07:16.16 | *** part/#debian nF3r (~nF3r@pool-151-202-10-122.ny325.east.verizon.net) |
| 07:19.06 | rking | yay yay debian yay |
| 07:19.15 | rking | debian made my night suck less tonight |
| 07:19.21 | rking | i love you all |
| 07:19.25 | *** part/#debian rking (rking@mail.panoptic.com) |
| 07:20.53 | *** join/#debian monchy (monchy@S010600e04c400007.ok.shawcable.net) |
| 07:20.59 | *** join/#debian _Genghis (~Genghis@112-114.247.81.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 07:22.59 | *** join/#debian Ronin (jason@CPE0060975ea1ed-CM00080d77ee84.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 07:24.27 | concept10 | How do I get a gnome launcher to run a shell script? |
| 07:24.58 | TiMiDo | concept10, put it on /usr/bin/ |
| 07:25.23 | concept10 | okay |
| 07:25.38 | TiMiDo | is not that easy |
| 07:26.34 | *** join/#debian jond3rd (~jond3rd@203.131.77.54) |
| 07:26.46 | *** join/#debian ssb (~ssb@82.138.41.126) |
| 07:27.26 | DimmuR | is it possible to get cvs version of cedega? i cant find it on transgaming.com |
| 07:27.58 | *** join/#debian dn4 (~dynebolic@ip70-186-97-10.ma.dl.cox.net) |
| 07:28.13 | *** join/#debian MoDaX (fpvukd@lan-71-78.skynet.lt) |
| 07:28.33 | dn4 | how do I take the kernel I already have installed and install a new one that uses everything the pervious kernel used??? |
| 07:28.37 | *** join/#debian henke (~henrik@host022.robackshus3.ac.se) |
| 07:29.00 | dn4 | how do I install a new kernel that uses everything of the old kernel but has better net support for the natsemi.o |
| 07:29.12 | *** join/#debian marcin (~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl) |
| 07:29.37 | *** join/#debian grahamoz (~graham@CPE-138-130-131-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au) |
| 07:29.45 | grahamoz | hey guys i need some help |
| 07:30.00 | grahamoz | getting my sound working on debian 3.1 |
| 07:30.43 | *** join/#debian greenfly (greenfly@greenfly.org) |
| 07:30.46 | liable | dn4: what kernel are you using, and what do you want? what version of debian? |
| 07:30.46 | Penix | dn4: no idea what you're talking about in regards to the natsemi driver, but you can use the old kernel's config file if you want the new one to be configured the same |
| 07:31.09 | concept10 | TiMiDo, what do you mean |
| 07:31.12 | *** join/#debian prav33n (~praveen@202.144.86.147) |
| 07:32.02 | liable | grahamoz: is the card supported, to start with? |
| 07:32.04 | *** join/#debian dob1 (~dob@host226-160.pool8248.interbusiness.it) |
| 07:32.13 | Penix | why on earth would you need to stick a shell script in /usr/bin to run it from a panel launcher? |
| 07:32.14 | *** join/#debian zimnyx (~xxx@bwg37.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 07:32.17 | dob1 | hi, someone use scite ? how can i setup the font size ? they are very small |
| 07:32.29 | zimnyx | is OO.org 2 available in experimental? |
| 07:32.32 | concept10 | Penix, :) |
| 07:32.33 | grahamoz | well alsaconf can't find it |
| 07:32.41 | grahamoz | but when i had suse 9.3 pro alsaconf found it |
| 07:32.43 | prav33n | I have problems in installing gdesklets on my Debian SID |
| 07:32.54 | liable | grahamoz: does lsmod show modules loaded for it? |
| 07:33.01 | concept10 | Penix, Im trying to create a launcher to start the Limewire shell script |
| 07:33.01 | grahamoz | hmm i will try that |
| 07:33.17 | prav33n | It It says "gdesklets: Depends: libgtop2-2 but it is not installable" |
| 07:33.24 | *** join/#debian ankur (~ankur@203.212.233.100) |
| 07:33.36 | valdyn | concept10: a shell script is treated and started like any program. you might want to tick 'run in terminal' though. |
| 07:33.40 | jm_ | prav33n: you shouldn't really use unstable if you can't figure out problems like that by yourself |
| 07:33.45 | grahamoz | no don't look like it |
| 07:33.47 | *** join/#debian Flying_Cow (~mirc@c-431ae353.1141-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 07:34.00 | liable | concept10: cant you just right click on the bar, and add it? |
| 07:34.01 | prav33n | But libgtop2-5 replaces libgtop2-2 |
| 07:34.13 | *** join/#debian sycj (~sycj@c-24-98-93-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 07:34.14 | prav33n | jm_: Just curious to know if some quick hack is available |
| 07:34.26 | grahamoz | hmm |
| 07:34.31 | liable | grahamoz: well, load em. :P |
| 07:34.38 | concept10 | liable, I can add it no problem. |
| 07:34.42 | jm_ | prav33n: well then you might try apt* install gdesklets libgtop2-5 |
| 07:34.52 | liable | concept10: but... |
| 07:35.10 | Penix | concept10: works fine for me when executing something with a test script |
| 07:35.31 | concept10 | liable, I put this in the command section: /home/limewire/runLime.sh but it wont start |
| 07:35.43 | Penix | concept10: ie. point "Command:" to /location/of/script (which runs /usr/bin/whatever) |
| 07:35.46 | prav33n | jm_: Tried that. But still getting the same error |
| 07:35.56 | valdyn | concept10: chmod +x /home/limewire/runLime.sh |
| 07:35.58 | *** join/#debian OSuKaRu (~Oscar@cm-81-9-176-37.telecable.es) |
| 07:36.01 | Penix | concept10: does runLime.sh work from a terminal? |
| 07:36.04 | OSuKaRu | wwow! |
| 07:36.08 | OSuKaRu | hello |
| 07:36.14 | concept10 | valdyn, done that |
| 07:36.18 | concept10 | Penix, yes |
| 07:36.20 | *** join/#debian WorkerII (~fake@62.61.133.228.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 07:36.23 | *** join/#debian nuix (~Peter@222.183.73.118) |
| 07:36.41 | OSuKaRu | my Gnome thing make weird things |
| 07:36.46 | OSuKaRu | ^-^ |
| 07:36.48 | jm_ | prav33n: ahh yes, it's normal, you'll have to wait for GNOME 2.0 transition to complete |
| 07:36.49 | liable | concept10: recheck the path you gave. (spelling) |
| 07:36.55 | WorkerII | OSuKaRu : Are you using SID? |
| 07:37.00 | prav33n | jm_: Thank you |
| 07:37.06 | OSuKaRu | what?! |
| 07:37.07 | Guerin | what is SID? |
| 07:37.10 | prav33n | jm_: Any idea when it is due to be complete? |
| 07:37.23 | WorkerII | !tell guerin about sid |
| 07:37.31 | liable | OSuKaRu: try #debian-es |
| 07:37.41 | Penix | mmmm. fresh dist-upgraded system. can't remember the last time I finished a complete one |
| 07:37.44 | Guerin | WorkerII: debian is case-sensitive. Tell me what SID is. |
| 07:37.44 | *** join/#debian TinoW (~tino@living-examples.com) |
| 07:37.45 | OSuKaRu | in Spanish? |
| 07:37.51 | liable | yes |
| 07:38.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 764] by debhelper |
| 07:38.08 | *** join/#debian tomb0y (hoe@if.you.cant.use.cce.you.shouldnt.release-in.ws) |
| 07:38.10 | WorkerII | Guerin : Well, in that case SID is the soundchip from Commodore 64, the 6581. ;-) |
| 07:38.29 | Guerin | WorkerII: that's a good answer, though I'm puzzled as to why you asked him that. |
| 07:38.54 | WorkerII | Guerin : Thanks! I was referring to Sid, my case was wrong. |
| 07:39.01 | jm_ | prav33n: no, check the mailing lists and http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 07:39.12 | prav33n | jm_: Thank you |
| 07:39.42 | WorkerII | How do I fix the symlink in /etc/X11/X ?' |
| 07:39.48 | WorkerII | (On Sid) |
| 07:40.46 | drac | WorkerII: If you are using Sid, you should be able to fix that by yourself. Small symlink, that's 'Still in development' version of debian for godsake. |
| 07:40.48 | cartel_ | whats the reccomended way to purge the apt package cache? |
| 07:40.59 | *** join/#debian sKaBoy (~luogni@ip-168-66.sn1.eutelia.it) |
| 07:41.04 | cartel_ | not apt-get clean |
| 07:41.37 | liable | why not apt clean? |
| 07:41.54 | *** join/#debian meppl (mephisto@p54AADAC3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:42.05 | *** join/#debian cocozz (~cocozz@m194-158-77-194.andorpac.ad) |
| 07:42.15 | *** join/#debian pafrusurewa (~stefan@85-124-9-224.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 07:42.17 | cartel_ | because that only deletes the packages.... i need to trash the package cache |
| 07:42.26 | cocozz | Hi, why apt-get remove doesnt delete /etc/software files ? |
| 07:42.40 | cartel_ | cocozz: deleting config files is purging |
| 07:42.43 | caphuso | cocozz: because you didn't use --purge |
| 07:42.46 | cartel_ | dpkg --purge package |
| 07:42.47 | cocozz | aahh |
| 07:42.51 | cocozz | ok thanks |
| 07:42.51 | dn4 | how do I get modprobe to install natsemi.o ?? |
| 07:43.20 | TiMiDo | dn4, you have to know where natsemi.o is, |
| 07:43.44 | *** part/#debian prav33n|away (~praveen@202.144.86.147) |
| 07:44.03 | Eulex | and to load a specific file as a module, you'd use insmod |
| 07:44.06 | dn4 | TiMiDo, I have been trying to install the natsemi.o from a mounted filesystem into another mounted filesystem and it cannot find the file and I am on the other mounted filesystem right where the file iss. :( |
| 07:44.10 | *** join/#debian ermavin__ (~ernst@telemark-static99.bluecom.no) |
| 07:44.20 | *** join/#debian ssb (~ssb@82.138.41.126) |
| 07:44.34 | liable | !insmod |
| 07:44.34 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 07:44.51 | concept10 | this kind of simple stuff pisses me off, gnome cant even launch a freakin shell script |
| 07:45.17 | Penix | it can launch a script just fine |
| 07:45.26 | Penix | there's obviously something going on with your limewire setup |
| 07:45.40 | Penix | your non-free limewire setup ;) |
| 07:45.54 | *** join/#debian Zv2S (~stats@228.Red-83-54-8.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 07:46.11 | nuix | why the smtp of gmail can not send mails to other mailboxs. i only get the mail sent to my gmail mailbox??? |
| 07:46.29 | *** join/#debian agentofbsd (~sdfsdfd2@202.147.31.140) |
| 07:46.43 | concept10 | Penix, the only way I can launch Limewire is to run sh runLime.sh from terminal, the gnome launcher wont launch that |
| 07:47.15 | Eulex | concept10, maybe it needs the current directory to be set correctly? |
| 07:47.25 | liable | dn4: whats the command you give, and the error you get? |
| 07:47.46 | *** join/#debian Zv2S (~stats@228.Red-83-54-8.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 07:48.02 | nuix | who use the smtp service of gmail ? any tips about gmail smtp?? |
| 07:48.20 | robin_sz | OK, I solved my usb quickcam problems . now .. I have a directory full of jpegs .. how can I stitch them together into a mpeg huh? |
| 07:48.40 | *** join/#debian Coke (~peter@ferlin.it.su.se) |
| 07:48.41 | robin_sz | whats mpeggy packages does debian have to do that |
| 07:48.43 | *** join/#debian prodope (~neural@CPEd2cd2cd2cd2c-CM0012c90d1b7a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 07:48.52 | concept10 | Eulex, see thats the point, in a launcher you can specify where the executable is, but you cant tell a launcher to cd /home/limewire sh runlime.sh |
| 07:49.14 | *** join/#debian holycow (~a@S0106000fb51e6051.vf.shawcable.net) |
| 07:49.17 | dn4 | modprobe natsemi.o |
| 07:49.20 | Eulex | concept10, write a shell script to do that :) |
| 07:49.22 | dn4 | error is cannot find natsemi.o |
| 07:49.28 | OSuKaRu | Someone can help mee?! |
| 07:49.32 | dn4 | i am trying to install this on a 2.4.17 kernel |
| 07:49.46 | cocozz | hmm is it normal that apt-get remove --purge apache2 deleted files of /var/www ?? |
| 07:49.52 | cartel_ | roar |
| 07:50.12 | cartel_ | cocozz: only ones that are installed with the distribution |
| 07:50.20 | *** join/#debian Zv2S (~stats@228.Red-83-54-8.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 07:50.20 | *** join/#debian greenfly (greenfly@greenfly.org) |
| 07:50.31 | cocozz | heh no |
| 07:50.34 | cocozz | it deleted all |
| 07:50.35 | cocozz | omg |
| 07:50.37 | *** join/#debian star001 (~star@ACB6374A.ipt.aol.com) |
| 07:50.58 | *** part/#debian star001 (~star@ACB6374A.ipt.aol.com) |
| 07:51.44 | *** join/#debian rafailow (~rafailow@194.30.96-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 07:51.45 | *** part/#debian cocozz (~cocozz@m194-158-77-194.andorpac.ad) |
| 07:52.44 | cartel_ | damn |
| 07:52.47 | cartel_ | poor guy |
| 07:52.59 | cartel_ | if he hadnt left i would have told him to reportbug |
| 07:53.30 | *** join/#debian star001 (~star@ACB6374A.ipt.aol.com) |
| 07:53.51 | *** join/#debian Zeit|awy2 (~wurscht@p54A7AC7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:54.43 | grahamoz | how do i update alsaconf |
| 07:54.49 | grahamoz | well load a module for it |
| 07:55.07 | liable | dn4: why not just upgrade the kernel? |
| 07:55.26 | dn4 | liable, I do not know how to upgrade the kernel when apt-get does not work :( |
| 07:55.27 | liable | grahamoz: do you know what sound module you need? |
| 07:55.28 | grahamoz | to what |
| 07:55.32 | grahamoz | yes |
| 07:55.38 | dn4 | liable, it does not connect to the net to download the kernel |
| 07:55.40 | liable | dn4: why doesnt apt-get work? |
| 07:55.49 | holycow | testing |
| 07:55.49 | holycow | 123 |
| 07:55.54 | grahamoz | snd-ca0106 |
| 07:55.55 | liable | dn4: you have the install cd? |
| 07:56.07 | dn4 | yes |
| 07:56.15 | liable | grahamoz: modprobe snd-ca0106 |
| 07:56.24 | liable | dn4: is it cd1? |
| 07:56.28 | *** join/#debian deadcat (~deadcat@netblock-66-245-219-22.dslextreme.com) |
| 07:56.32 | dn4 | yess |
| 07:56.43 | grahamoz | debian:/home/graham# modprobe snd-ca0106 |
| 07:56.43 | grahamoz | FATAL: Module snd_ca0106 not found. |
| 07:56.43 | grahamoz | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_ca0106 |
| 07:56.43 | grahamoz | debian:/home/graham# |
| 07:56.44 | *** kick/#debian [grahamoz!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 07:56.50 | *** join/#debian henke (~henrik@host022.robackshus3.ac.se) |
| 07:56.51 | *** join/#debian grahamoz (~graham@CPE-138-130-131-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au) |
| 07:56.56 | liable | dn4: ok, put it in, type apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 07:57.33 | grahamoz | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Live+7.1.&chip=SB0410%2C+P17&module=ca0106#opt |
| 07:57.46 | *** join/#debian herbi (~herbinet@c211-30-119-100.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 07:57.53 | liable | grahamoz: what kernel do you have? |
| 07:58.11 | grahamoz | Linux 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 07:58.22 | grahamoz | what ever came with debain 3.1 |
| 07:58.29 | concept10 | Eulex, are you still there? |
| 07:58.54 | Eulex | concept10, yes |
| 07:59.34 | concept10 | Eulex, write a small bash script, save it, chmod it and try to launch it from a gnome launcher |
| 08:00.04 | concept10 | it just doesnt work, i guess it works with executables only |
| 08:00.10 | grahamoz | hmm i just tryed to install the module |
| 08:00.14 | *** join/#debian pafrusurewa (~stefan@85-124-9-224.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 08:00.15 | concept10 | which i dont understand |
| 08:00.55 | *** join/#debian streuner (foobar@p54A5DDA5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:00.58 | streuner | hm |
| 08:01.02 | *** join/#debian whiskers (~NA@c-24-18-92-123.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 08:01.14 | liable | grahamoz: compile it? |
| 08:01.31 | liable | grahamoz: does it not come with the standard kernel? |
| 08:01.45 | whiskers | whats the nermil apt source that has all the dvd stuff? |
| 08:01.46 | grahamoz | well i don't know but it worked in suse 9.3 pro |
| 08:01.56 | grahamoz | hmm should i install a kernel update |
| 08:02.19 | grahamoz | linux-2.6.11.8.tar.bz2 |
| 08:02.22 | *** join/#debian jetair_ (~jetair@60.210.156.184) |
| 08:02.22 | *** join/#debian jetair (~jetair@60.210.156.184) |
| 08:02.23 | grahamoz | i have that file |
| 08:02.28 | *** join/#debian NetDC (~Administr@61.154.127.246) |
| 08:02.47 | liable | grahamoz: look in /lib/modules/2.6.8/kernel/sound/pci for it. |
| 08:03.08 | *** join/#debian stouset (~stephen@adsl-211-163-36.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 08:03.18 | *** join/#debian ssb (~ssb@82.138.41.126) |
| 08:03.54 | *** join/#debian deadcat (~deadcat@netblock-66-245-219-22.dslextreme.com) |
| 08:03.56 | *** part/#debian stouset (~stephen@adsl-211-163-36.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 08:03.59 | grahamoz | nope its not there |
| 08:04.26 | grahamoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.35 | Eulex | concept10, I made a small shell script, which just runs the program stress, so I can easily see if it works, and put it in /usr/bin, and it works very well |
| 08:05.03 | liable | grahamoz: you may have to compile it manually, google around a bit. |
| 08:05.11 | grahamoz | hmm ok |
| 08:05.59 | *** join/#debian war- (~war@iniquity.net) |
| 08:06.13 | Eulex | I ran stress -c 1, and powernowd increased the cpu frequency, which I can monitor with an applet, so I know that it worked |
| 08:06.40 | *** part/#debian Maliuta (nikolai@c210-49-33-38.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) |
| 08:06.49 | _joey | looking for m/b 939 socket, can't choose between asus and dfi brands |
| 08:07.51 | concept10 | Eulex, what command did you use in the launcher /usr/bin/stress -c 1 ? |
| 08:08.28 | _joey | cock suckers |
| 08:08.37 | Eulex | concept10, I put the command /usr/bin/test.sh |
| 08:08.43 | dondelelcaro | _joey: ? |
| 08:09.14 | *** join/#debian ayers_ (~David_Aye@83-65-214-98.work.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 08:09.22 | *** join/#debian sewi (~sewi@ambient.po.opole.pl) |
| 08:09.22 | Eulex | and in test.sh I put the usual #/bin/sh and then stress -c 1 |
| 08:10.04 | concept10 | _joey, try #wal-mart always low prices |
| 08:10.04 | *** join/#debian silverwolf (~silverwol@cpe.atm2-0-51103.0x50a3e74e.naenxx8.customer.tele.dk) |
| 08:10.22 | *** join/#debian Maliuta (nikolai@c210-49-33-38.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) |
| 08:11.15 | concept10 | Eulex, thanks for doing that, for some reason it wont work for me, it will just open a terminal window, run the command and close real fast |
| 08:11.25 | *** join/#debian qazix (~q@adsl-64-109-212-125.dsl.lgnnmi.ameritech.net) |
| 08:11.46 | *** join/#debian RuffianSoldier (~leet@cpe-24-209-106-36.woh.res.rr.com) |
| 08:12.20 | Eulex | concept10, did you check "run in terminal" (or similar)? I didn't... |
| 08:13.03 | concept10 | yep |
| 08:13.35 | *** join/#debian holo (~carlos@a81-84-126-224.netcabo.pt) |
| 08:13.50 | Eulex | though it works for me too if I check that check box... |
| 08:14.00 | *** join/#debian floe (~konversat@i52902DF3.versanet.de) |
| 08:14.01 | *** join/#debian degradas (~tadas@sonaras.litnet.lt) |
| 08:14.15 | concept10 | It must be a limewire problem, im trying to make a easy system for my sister, try to hide the CLI from her, oh well |
| 08:14.24 | liable | concept10: if you only moved the script, there may be other stuff it needs, that are in your home directory, and it cant find. Look in the script maybe? |
| 08:14.35 | Penix | concept10: why limewire? |
| 08:15.24 | *** join/#debian zxv (~zxv@h170n2fls34o824.telia.com) |
| 08:15.40 | zxv | how do i set the default browser? |
| 08:15.56 | concept10 | Penix, sister = teenage daughter = bothers uncle about mp3 = uncle says download that shit yourself because im a FOSS advocate |
| 08:15.58 | *** join/#debian abauer (~abauer@p5498D1E2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:16.22 | degradas | What's the status of sarge security updates? I see quite a few security bugs unfixed for a long time, for example, sudo. |
| 08:16.23 | Penix | concept10: yeah, but, have you looked at other clients/networks? |
| 08:16.25 | drac | zxv: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser or from your desktop environment settings. |
| 08:16.45 | concept10 | Penix, amule? |
| 08:16.51 | *** join/#debian mattl_ (~mattl@81-86-140-194.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 08:16.55 | *** join/#debian zeedo (~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net) |
| 08:16.57 | tengulre | what package need when install Xwindow? |
| 08:17.03 | Penix | concept10: you could probably setup giFT with giFToxic (GTK2 client) and all the network plugins |
| 08:17.04 | star001 | hello, how can i check the md5sum of a burned debian dvd? (does i get the right one with "md5sum /dev/crom" ?) |
| 08:17.09 | tengulre | what package need when install Xwindow? |
| 08:17.09 | streuner | tengulre: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 08:17.16 | sep | tengulre: x-window-system |
| 08:18.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 771] by debhelper |
| 08:18.30 | concept10 | Penix, giFT uses what network? |
| 08:18.41 | Penix | concept10: it has plugins for different networks |
| 08:18.53 | Penix | concept10: iirc limewire uses gnutella, which, among other, gift has a plugin for |
| 08:19.00 | Penix | s/other/others/ |
| 08:19.38 | *** join/#debian streuner (foobar@p54A5DDA5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:19.51 | *** join/#debian tengulre (~tengulre@61.185.238.166) |
| 08:19.57 | Penix | concept10: you could run the gift daemon at boot, so when she runs the giftoxic client, everything's ready to go. shares synced, networks connected etc. |
| 08:20.21 | Penix | ...or, rather run it at gnome/kde startup |
| 08:20.23 | streuner | gravity: thanks, that was painless - X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Debian 6.8.2.dfsg.1-0pre1v1 20050623145528 david@squee.verizon.net) |
| 08:20.23 | *** join/#debian beezly (~beezly@2001:630:63:16:230:1bff:feb7:2528) |
| 08:20.49 | tengulre | when i run 'startx', got no xsession managers error messages? |
| 08:20.51 | concept10 | Penix, secure client? |
| 08:21.03 | Penix | concept10: what do you mean? |
| 08:21.10 | Eulex | tengulre, if you run startx, you get no session manager |
| 08:21.21 | tengulre | Eulex, yes! how to do? |
| 08:21.26 | *** join/#debian Stereo (~stereo@hertz.stereo.lu) |
| 08:21.28 | Penix | concept10: encryption? |
| 08:21.42 | Eulex | tengulre, umh... run startx? |
| 08:21.58 | tengulre | Eulex,yes |
| 08:22.08 | *** join/#debian bender-RW- (~juergens@isf218.isf.RWTH-Aachen.DE) |
| 08:22.17 | *** join/#debian pafrusur1wa (~stefan@85-124-11-55.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 08:22.19 | concept10 | Penix, just basic security is the client fairly secure? I dont use P2Ps myself |
| 08:22.22 | Eulex | tengulre, so what's the problem |
| 08:23.13 | *** join/#debian skiold (~userid@84-121-68-212.onocable.ono.com) |
| 08:23.23 | tengulre | Eulex, Xsession: unabled start X session -- no '/root/.xsession'...... |
| 08:23.40 | Penix | concept10: well, it's as secure as connecting to a p2p network full of kiddiez can be. it's basically just giftd running with the network plugins you installed. when you run a gift client it connects to the daemon, which connects to the outside world. |
| 08:23.51 | Penix | concept10: you can specify which hosts can connect to the daemon |
| 08:24.09 | Penix | concept10: in your case, local use only |
| 08:24.18 | concept10 | Penix, okay, thanks.. |
| 08:24.51 | tengulre | Eulex, do u have ideas? |
| 08:25.02 | *** join/#debian pafrusur2wa (~stefan@85-124-36-97.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 08:25.33 | concept10 | Penix, I try to explain to my niece you cant just download what ever she wants but in today's society people think they can just download anything |
| 08:26.10 | *** join/#debian keta (~luca@keta.base.supporter.pdpc) |
| 08:26.15 | *** join/#debian pafrusur3wa (~stefan@85-124-14-72.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 08:26.44 | Penix | concept10: yeah. I get the same thing from some friends |
| 08:26.50 | Eulex | tengulre, what if you try to start x as user? |
| 08:26.59 | *** join/#debian ircdevil (~maasha@130.226.106.174) |
| 08:27.03 | *** join/#debian Kamping_Kaiser (~kaiser@202-136-104-198.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 08:27.20 | Penix | "What do you mean you couldn't download that really rare track that hardly anyone would being sharing?!" |
| 08:27.29 | Penix | err...be |
| 08:27.51 | concept10 | heh. |
| 08:28.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 778] by debhelper |
| 08:28.10 | *** join/#debian goldnlink (~goldnlink@ACCFBAE5.ipt.aol.com) |
| 08:29.13 | *** join/#debian asuffield (~asuffield@83-216-134-182.neilsu339.adsl.metronet.co.uk) |
| 08:29.31 | liable | streuner: go xorg? |
| 08:29.50 | streuner | liable: yeah, runs like a charm :-) |
| 08:30.03 | liable | streuner: sweet :) |
| 08:30.16 | *** join/#debian Jeaton (Jeaton@wls-hol-204-95-117-94.giant-broadband.com) |
| 08:30.29 | Jeaton | Is debian that good? |
| 08:30.32 | *** join/#debian Aer (~Aer@m63.net81-66-46.noos.fr) |
| 08:30.35 | Jeaton | worth downloading 15 isos |
| 08:30.47 | streuner | !d-i Jeaton |
| 08:30.48 | dpkg | Jeaton, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 08:31.14 | Jeaton | thank you, streuner |
| 08:32.29 | *** join/#debian WorkerII (~user@62.61.133.228.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 08:32.42 | *** join/#debian ntoll (~ntoll@62.232.39.9) |
| 08:32.44 | Jeaton | though I was already there? |
| 08:32.48 | WorkerII | I wonder if X.org is in Debian Unstable (Sid) ? |
| 08:33.09 | concept10 | Penix, how do you set gift up initially? |
| 08:33.12 | directhex|work | it isn't |
| 08:33.26 | sep | WorkerII: and i wonder why you dont read the topic for yourself and find out |
| 08:33.30 | WorkerII | directhex|work: Is there any working X11? |
| 08:33.41 | *** join/#debian bluesky_ (~chatzilla@202.120.44.62) |
| 08:33.53 | WorkerII | sep: Heh, its already scrolled away - I am on the console for obvious reasons. |
| 08:34.05 | tengulre | deadcat ,are u here? |
| 08:34.05 | WorkerII | sep: I can check it 2with /topic, though. |
| 08:34.08 | directhex|work | WorkerII, sure. xfree86 4.3.0 with debian backports |
| 08:35.15 | *** join/#debian agentofbsd (~sdfsdfd2@202.147.31.241) |
| 08:35.21 | WorkerII | directhex|work: backports .. that means I need to add some sources in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 08:36.10 | directhex|work | WorkerII, no, it means the x strike force ported some drivers from xfree86 4.4rc2 to their own 4.3 fork |
| 08:36.15 | *** part/#debian Jeaton (Jeaton@wls-hol-204-95-117-94.giant-broadband.com) |
| 08:36.28 | streuner | WorkerII: for unstable add this: deb http://people.debian.org/~dnusinow/xorg |
| 08:36.30 | WorkerII | directhex|work: Hmm .. I can't find 4.0.3 in aptitude? |
| 08:36.58 | directhex|work | WorkerII, aptitude install x-window-system |
| 08:37.04 | WorkerII | 4.3.0 even ... |
| 08:37.51 | WorkerII | directhex|work: its installed .. but both gdm and startx exit with errors, because /etc/X11/X is missing. I havn't found out whats wrong yet. |
| 08:37.59 | sep | WorkerII: you can type /topic |
| 08:38.18 | tengulre | deadcat , are you here? I need your help! |
| 08:38.39 | WorkerII | sep: Indeed, I did. And I know unstable is unstable .. I knew when I installed it. The reasons I did it, was by mistake ... a typo in apt preferences. |
| 08:38.40 | tarzeau | WorkerII: even add -core to it |
| 08:38.41 | streuner | tengulre: just ask the channel |
| 08:38.50 | WorkerII | tarzeau: Also installe.d |
| 08:39.10 | tarzeau | there is no point installing x-window-system AND x-window-system-core |
| 08:39.17 | directhex|work | WorkerII, do it again. it's non-destructive. |
| 08:39.19 | WorkerII | tarzeau: I didn't notice the problem, till I rebooted X recently. |
| 08:39.25 | WorkerII | directhex|work: --reinstall? |
| 08:39.29 | UyCaRumBa | good luck guys |
| 08:39.29 | UyCaRumBa | bye |
| 08:39.33 | *** part/#debian UyCaRumBa (~abraxas@80.178.198.110.adsl.012.net.il) |
| 08:39.35 | tarzeau | you don't reboot X, you restart it maybe |
| 08:39.39 | *** join/#debian tengulre (~tengulre@61.185.238.166) |
| 08:39.52 | *** join/#debian charg (~charg@unk-111.ethz.ch) |
| 08:39.57 | WorkerII | tarzeau: Right |
| 08:40.02 | *** part/#debian tengulre (~tengulre@61.185.238.166) |
| 08:40.44 | WorkerII | Maybe I should try and downgrade to testing instead? |
| 08:41.05 | *** join/#debian tengulre (~tengulre@61.185.238.166) |
| 08:41.25 | directhex|work | you can't downgrade |
| 08:41.28 | streuner | tengulre: install X-Chat |
| 08:41.51 | *** join/#debian kubaZygmunt (~Bersirc@bjs149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 08:41.55 | WorkerII | directhex|work: So this is what nightmare on elmstreet feels like? |
| 08:42.21 | *** join/#debian AceLan (~AceLan@linux3.cc.ntu.edu.tw) |
| 08:42.44 | *** join/#debian bernouli (bernouli@conde.cs.tu-berlin.de) |
| 08:42.48 | directhex|work | WorkerII, actually, it's more how the toys in tory story felt when taken to pieces, strapped to fireworks, sawn in half, etc, by the scary kid "sid" |
| 08:43.04 | *** join/#debian bn` (~bn@p54A9CAA3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:43.17 | bernouli | am i right, if i said masquerading works only with tcp connection? |
| 08:43.35 | Morti | Anyone fiddled much with the Debian installer? I've created a server solution based on Debian with many funky scripts and things but I need a nice way to package it all up and I thought about hacking the Debian installer apart a bit. But I don't know where to begin. Any ideas? |
| 08:43.44 | *** join/#debian Kbyte (~nontelado@host212-114.pool8255.interbusiness.it) |
| 08:43.53 | kubaZygmunt | does anybody know why my mkinitrd doesn't creae .img file ? : ) or where is the problem? |
| 08:43.56 | directhex|work | !tell Morti about custom d-i |
| 08:44.06 | Morti | Thanks. |
| 08:44.26 | *** join/#debian xophEr (~xopher@a80-186-212-153.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 08:44.34 | liable | WorkerII: do you have the directory /usr/bin/X11? (which is a link) |
| 08:44.42 | *** join/#debian kyncani (~kyncani@lns-vlq-25-ren-82-254-143-211.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 08:45.30 | *** part/#debian kubaZygmunt (~Bersirc@bjs149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 08:48.21 | *** join/#debian stealth (~stealth@user-0c6sdm3.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 08:48.26 | *** join/#debian trc (~trc@20.228.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 08:49.02 | *** join/#debian empty (~empty@ip70-176-195-163.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 08:50.13 | *** join/#debian znh (~hans@dsl-212-84-153-132.solcon.nl) |
| 08:50.25 | znh | does anyone know the PROXY variable? |
| 08:50.31 | znh | I forgot it :/ |
| 08:50.56 | *** join/#debian stealth (~stealth@user-0c6sdm3.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 08:51.22 | eye69 | znh: http_proxy='http://user:password@proxyhost' ? |
| 08:51.41 | *** join/#debian nistm (~rock@201-3-253-76.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 08:51.56 | trc | some avi files seem to be compressed, file says data file, has this happened to anyone before? |
| 08:51.58 | WorkerII | liable: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2005-06-02 08:10 /usr/bin/X11 -> ../X11R6/bin |
| 08:52.04 | *** join/#debian flip-- (~flip@pcp01271290pcs.kilng01.ct.comcast.net) |
| 08:52.13 | flip-- | what happened to figlet? |
| 08:52.22 | WorkerII | !tell flip-- about figlet |
| 08:52.24 | *** join/#debian star007 (~Star@ACB6374A.ipt.aol.com) |
| 08:52.37 | snail | i have a program (qgo) that crashes and now refuses to restart. strace suggests it's block trying to access /tmp/.sockets/audio0 any clues how I can reset this? |
| 08:52.55 | flip-- | WorkerII: doesn't look like it's in sarge. maybe my mirror's screwed up? |
| 08:53.00 | znh | eye69: nope |
| 08:53.09 | liable | WorkerII: well just make a link from /etc/X11/X to that link, and maybe x will work. |
| 08:53.11 | WorkerII | flip--: Try packages.debian.org - search in all distributions. |
| 08:53.12 | Guerin | flip--: figlet is non-free |
| 08:53.17 | flip-- | really? |
| 08:53.18 | Guerin | !info figlet sarge |
| 08:53.25 | WorkerII | liable: Hmm .. worth trying :-) |
| 08:53.26 | flip-- | no, if it's non-free that explains it |
| 08:53.33 | dpkg | figlet: (Frank, Ian & Glenn's Letters), section non-free/text, is optional. Version: 2.2.1-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 145 kB, Installed size: 832 kB |
| 08:53.35 | *** part/#debian bernouli (bernouli@conde.cs.tu-berlin.de) |
| 08:54.08 | *** join/#debian Kalos (~Kalos2@68-189-133-170.dhcp.wlwl.wa.charter.com) |
| 08:54.33 | flip-- | That's really unfortunate that it's non-free |
| 08:54.33 | eye69 | znh: 'man lynx' |
| 08:54.35 | WorkerII | liable: X: /etc/X11/X points back to X wrapper executable, aborting. |
| 08:55.07 | TinoW | Wolven: ls -l /etc/X11/X |
| 08:55.10 | WorkerII | liable: however, there is a binary called XFree86 .. |
| 08:55.13 | TinoW | WorkerII: man ln |
| 08:55.20 | flip-- | thanks guys |
| 08:55.26 | znh | eye69: that's a browser.. |
| 08:55.49 | znh | eye69: nevermind i see what you mean |
| 08:55.50 | WorkerII | TinoW: ? |
| 08:55.53 | *** join/#debian cahoot (~radix@h198n2fls31o952.telia.com) |
| 08:56.05 | trc | some avi files seem to be compressed, file says data file, mplayer complains about missing video stream; earlier it happened to me that some jpg files visible in windows were zip files that i had to gzip -d, thought similar here |
| 08:56.45 | TinoW | WorkerII: where did I loose you? |
| 08:56.59 | *** join/#debian Charbal2 (~Kalos2@68-189-133-170.dhcp.wlwl.wa.charter.com) |
| 08:57.13 | *** join/#debian albz (~nemok@213-140-6-103.fastres.net) |
| 08:57.44 | *** join/#debian oZt (~Olof@h210n4fls32o952.telia.com) |
| 08:57.48 | *** part/#debian degradas (~tadas@sonaras.litnet.lt) |
| 08:58.12 | *** join/#debian ottoaim (~ottoaim@h-66-167-223-180.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 08:58.46 | *** join/#debian ntoll (~ntoll@62.232.39.9) |
| 09:00.15 | liable | WorkerII: what was the command you gave? try ln -s /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 /etc/X11/X |
| 09:02.16 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (bhaal@bhaal.staff.freenode) |
| 09:06.52 | WorkerII | liable: Just tried that .. seems to work, except I apparently fscked my config for X :-) |
| 09:07.40 | liable | WorkerII: well, its a start :) |
| 09:08.26 | WorkerII | liable: Yeah :) |
| 09:08.38 | WorkerII | liable: Thanks |
| 09:08.49 | liable | np |
| 09:08.53 | *** join/#debian jetx (~jetx@adsl-64-219-216-41.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 09:09.01 | *** join/#debian netcraft (~netcraft@APoitiers-155-1-72-9.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:09.35 | liable | WorkerII: have you just installed? |
| 09:09.45 | *** join/#debian jfa (~jfa@83.165.112.235) |
| 09:09.55 | *** join/#debian OSuKaRu (~Oscar@cm-81-9-176-37.telecable.es) |
| 09:10.46 | WorkerII | liable: Now it kinda works! |
| 09:11.08 | OSuKaRu | hello again! |
| 09:11.12 | WorkerII | liable: Nah .. I started with a woody some time ago, then upgraded to testing before sarge was released .. and then upgraded to Sid by mistake. |
| 09:11.20 | *** join/#debian paulswm (unknown@103.99.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 09:11.34 | OSuKaRu | Now i know what it happens |
| 09:11.44 | OSuKaRu | my GNOME is incomplete |
| 09:12.27 | OSuKaRu | and i havent enougt memory to install it |
| 09:12.40 | liable | WorkerII: may be worth re-installing, if you cant cope with the sid problems. (unless you dont mind fucking around with a broken box) :P |
| 09:12.59 | *** join/#debian windowmaker (~windowmak@c211-28-207-79.eburwd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 09:13.22 | xophEr | WorkerII, what kind of problems do you get with sid? |
| 09:13.25 | WorkerII | liable: Well .. I only need to stay here until thursday .. but the guy who is going to take over will have some problems, I fear .. he has never used debian before. |
| 09:13.41 | WorkerII | xophEr: All kinda problems .. most I am able to solve. |
| 09:13.55 | liable | WorkerII: well, I would definetly put sarge on it then. |
| 09:14.01 | windowmaker | hey, i use KDE (please don't abuse me) and arts stopped working, and the last time this happened, i switched to ALSA... and alsa works with everything except for games |
| 09:14.19 | WorkerII | xophEr: For instance, GNOME was recently broken, so I used WindowMaker, now WindowMaker broke, so I am using GNOME .. |
| 09:14.30 | xophEr | right :) |
| 09:14.45 | *** join/#debian Dr_O (~oweraon@dsl-80-46-89-83.access.as9105.com) |
| 09:15.06 | windowmaker | WorkerII: ahaha, beacuse you said windowmaker, your text went red so i thoguht you were talkng to me for a second or two |
| 09:15.07 | WorkerII | xophEr: The worst thing was when X11 broke altogether .. some applications don't like tty-like environments. (Notably Dia and Open Office org). |
| 09:15.28 | WorkerII | windowmaker: You are using windowmaker? |
| 09:15.29 | *** join/#debian xyrouz (~xyrouz@0x3e42caa9.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 09:15.30 | xophEr | Ok, now Im definately sticking to testing :) |
| 09:15.56 | WorkerII | xophEr: 10 days delay is worth it --- esp. when unstable is really unstable - like now. |
| 09:16.17 | xophEr | yeah |
| 09:16.44 | *** join/#debian Esaj (~jason@jdd30.joh.cam.ac.uk) |
| 09:17.36 | *** join/#debian Pecisk (~peterisk@62.85.57.168) |
| 09:17.43 | *** join/#debian pureone (~pureone@host81-152-132-232.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) |
| 09:17.57 | windowmaker | workerII: nope, i'm using KDE |
| 09:18.00 | *** join/#debian error403 (~error403@host86-132-68-161.range86-132.btcentralplus.com) |
| 09:18.24 | windowmaker | workerII: the name windowmaker is a joke of misspelling "widow maker" |
| 09:18.31 | *** join/#debian Ckopnuo (~ckopnuo@dwk.ryazan.ru) |
| 09:19.41 | Morti | How do I include cramfs support in a non-Debian 2.6.10 kernel or how would I make mkinitrd not use cramfs? |
| 09:19.50 | Morti | Either solution is happymaking. |
| 09:20.45 | *** join/#debian tralala (~joro@tralala.user) |
| 09:20.52 | liable | Morti: why not use the debian source? |
| 09:21.13 | Morti | Because I had to apply custom kernel patches which didn't like the Debian sources. |
| 09:21.35 | liable | Morti: just dont use an initrd then. |
| 09:21.44 | Morti | Not really an option. |
| 09:21.47 | *** join/#debian ninjak (~ninjak@213.140.8.212) |
| 09:21.51 | *** join/#debian drasko (~drasko@kds12-077.ptt.yu) |
| 09:22.03 | liable | Morti: are you using kpkg? |
| 09:22.09 | Morti | Yeah. |
| 09:22.24 | *** join/#debian jrloki (~loki@62.225.134.190) |
| 09:22.27 | *** join/#debian togs (~ctognela@203.91.86.120.rev.eftel.com) |
| 09:22.42 | *** join/#debian ghola (~dgabi@synygy.is.ew.ro) |
| 09:22.44 | liable | Morti: try doing it the non-debian way. (which I dont know how to make an initrd) |
| 09:23.09 | *** join/#debian pafrusurewa (~stefan@85-124-14-72.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 09:23.10 | togs | runlevel five is graphical, isn't it? |
| 09:23.19 | directhex|work | !runlevel |
| 09:23.21 | dpkg | hmm... runlevel is 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels |
| 09:23.22 | directhex|work | !runlevels |
| 09:23.23 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
| 09:23.30 | directhex|work | hmph |
| 09:23.32 | directhex|work | !nodm |
| 09:23.33 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 09:23.47 | *** join/#debian scytheman (scytheman@p54B64571.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:23.49 | myren | i wish i could frakking sleep |
| 09:23.57 | myren | why did debian do away with run levels |
| 09:24.01 | myren | run levels are the shizzle |
| 09:24.05 | Ckopnuo | I use deb 3.0r4, if it's easy to upgrade it to sarge, i wanna order sarge... |
| 09:24.17 | Morti | They didn't do away with runlevels. |
| 09:24.25 | windowmaker | hey, i use KDE (please don't abuse me) and arts stopped working, and the last time this happened, i switched to ALSA... and alsa works with everything except for games |
| 09:24.26 | Morti | If you want, you can fiddle the runlevels to only run X on some runlevels. |
| 09:24.33 | Morti | 's what I did. |
| 09:25.14 | Morti | Nice and easy to do with file-rc too. |
| 09:25.31 | togs | oky |
| 09:26.02 | Morti | So how would I get cramfs or how would I hack apart mkinitrd? |
| 09:26.12 | Guerin | myren: all my runlevels seem to be there. |
| 09:26.23 | *** join/#debian johnp_ (~Miranda@203-217-57-246.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 09:26.38 | myren | i dont see why x should be outside runlevels |
| 09:27.19 | Morti | It's not. |
| 09:27.26 | Morti | It's just in all of them. |
| 09:27.57 | *** join/#debian cbr (~pwn@213-35-221-23-dsl.jhv.estpak.ee) |
| 09:28.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 785] by debhelper |
| 09:28.39 | *** join/#debian Skiver (~DebianLin@218.111.213.185) |
| 09:29.10 | jim | it's not x that's in the runlevels, it's xdm and other ?dm |
| 09:29.32 | Eulex | I've got a problem with make-kpkg... when I do make-kpkg --append-to-version=-custom.1.1 kernel_image modules_image, it complains that kimagedest is undefined, and that it doesn't know where to put the kernel image |
| 09:30.05 | *** join/#debian sorsis (~sorsis@student.merikoski.fi) |
| 09:30.13 | jim | Morti: rebuild your kernel with cramfs built in (you also need ramdisk and ramdisk at boot (initrd) -in- the kernel |
| 09:30.26 | myren | damn, #bookwarez-tech really needs to get a move on. they're like 3 years out of date. |
| 09:30.44 | myren | oreilly frakking publishes their stuff in ebook format, it cant be that hard to pirate. ;) |
| 09:30.55 | myren | much on the site is legal, fyi. |
| 09:31.06 | Morti | jim: Where do I get cramfs? This isn't a Debian patched kernel. |
| 09:31.30 | jim | it should be in the kernel, it's not a debian-only thing |
| 09:31.58 | jim | you have kernel source, yes? |
| 09:32.05 | Morti | Yes |
| 09:32.10 | Morti | I'm in the make menuconfig but I can't find cramfs |
| 09:32.10 | hoe_ | how can make a copying with displaying of progress from cmdline? |
| 09:32.23 | jim | it should be in file systems |
| 09:32.49 | jim | btw, why are you not using a debian-patched kernel? |
| 09:32.54 | Eulex | hoe_, cp -v |
| 09:33.10 | Morti | Because a patch I wanted to apply didn't like the Debian patched sources. |
| 09:33.30 | Guerin | Morti: so build your kernel without initrd. Build all your shit in. |
| 09:33.34 | jim | ahh, then you could try applying it by hand |
| 09:33.51 | Morti | I wouldn't mind doing that. Where do I get it though? |
| 09:33.55 | *** join/#debian Knight_Lord (~filipe@rembrandt.bmc.uu.se) |
| 09:34.17 | liable | jim: cramfs is a debian thing iirc |
| 09:34.17 | Morti | I've looked through the Debian packages and I don't find an appropriate patch for 2.6.10 |
| 09:34.17 | jim | well if you do that you don't need to do initrd at all |
| 09:34.18 | hoe_ | Morti: you need to get the cramfs patch, cramfs is not included in standard kernel tree, or use different fs for initrd, for example romfs |
| 09:34.31 | Morti | hoe_: I know. How do I do either of those? |
| 09:34.45 | *** join/#debian andrea (~andrea@host-84-220-117-83.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 09:34.51 | jim | liable: no; I've used kernel.org kernels before, and it's in there |
| 09:35.01 | Morti | jim: I'm fairly sure it isn't. |
| 09:35.10 | Morti | Certainly isn't in this one anyway. |
| 09:35.12 | *** join/#debian arafat (~arafat@fish.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) |
| 09:35.14 | jim | what version? |
| 09:35.19 | Morti | 2.6.10 |
| 09:35.25 | liable | jim: hmm, I cant see it in mine. |
| 09:35.26 | andrea | hi everybody |
| 09:35.37 | hoe_ | Morti: just edit /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf:MKIMAGE='genromfs -d %s -f %s' |
| 09:35.44 | jim | andrea: aren't you a kernel hacker? |
| 09:35.59 | *** join/#debian grimse (~malte@p5481DCBA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:36.00 | *** join/#debian CleeK (~CleeK@133.15.202.62.fix.bluewin.ch) |
| 09:36.06 | CleeK | hi all |
| 09:36.07 | liable | jim: iirc it needs to be patched in. |
| 09:36.08 | andrea | no, i'm looking 4 help with packages .deb |
| 09:36.13 | Morti | hoe_: Ta. |
| 09:36.27 | CleeK | someone knows why there is no /etc/ld.so.conf on sarge fresh install ? |
| 09:36.33 | Morti | And you think genromfs is the way to go? |
| 09:36.33 | CleeK | +a |
| 09:36.36 | Eulex | nvm... bug #313053 |
| 09:36.40 | jim | liable: so was it dropped from the kernel? |
| 09:36.48 | hoe_ | Morti: i'm doing it that way |
| 09:37.14 | liable | jim: no idea, thought it was always a patch that debian applied. |
| 09:37.15 | Morti | Ta. |
| 09:37.27 | hoe_ | Morti: and don't forget to compile romfs into the kernel, not as a module |
| 09:37.51 | Eulex | and it's even fixed... |
| 09:37.53 | *** join/#debian VivekVC (~user@202.83.41.158) |
| 09:37.54 | jim | andrea, ask away |
| 09:37.54 | Morti | Yeah, was just checking that. |
| 09:37.56 | Morti | Thanks, hoe_ |
| 09:37.56 | hoe_ | Morti: the rest coult be all modules thanks to initrd preloading |
| 09:38.09 | andrea | i'm tryin to install libpango1.0 |
| 09:38.19 | hoe_ | Morti: np |
| 09:38.37 | andrea | but kpackage says i need libpango1.0-common first |
| 09:38.59 | jim | so install that :) |
| 09:39.06 | andrea | if i try to installit, it says i need libpango1.0 |
| 09:39.18 | andrea | i use sarge |
| 09:39.19 | jim | circular depends |
| 09:39.21 | star007 | sounds funny ;) |
| 09:39.31 | Eulex | andrea, how are you trying to install it? |
| 09:39.57 | andrea | i'm using kpackage a debian tool for .deb packages |
| 09:39.59 | *** join/#debian bn_ (~bn@p54A9E3B1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:40.06 | jim | andrea: apt-get install libpango1.0 libpango1.0-common |
| 09:40.23 | hoe_ | Eulex: that didn't show me the progress, only the lines of what is beeing copyied where |
| 09:40.54 | andrea | tnx i'm gonna try |
| 09:41.34 | andrea | but mayve i tryed yesterday, i don't remember.. |
| 09:41.36 | jim | !depends libpango1.0-common |
| 09:41.41 | *** part/#debian juanma (~juanma@57.Red-80-36-30.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 09:41.42 | dpkg | libpango1.0-common: depends on debconf, defoma (>= 0.11.1), fontconfig (>= 2.1.91), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.2.1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 09:41.57 | jim | !depends libpango1.0 |
| 09:42.14 | *** join/#debian netcraft (~debian@netcraft.user) |
| 09:42.48 | jim | !depends libpango1.0-0 |
| 09:42.53 | dpkg | libpango1.0-0: depends on libpango1.0-common (>= 1.8.1-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.2.1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxrender1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 09:43.00 | andrea | tnx guys |
| 09:43.04 | *** part/#debian andrea (~andrea@host-84-220-117-83.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 09:43.05 | Eulex | fetching the kernel-package from unstable fixed my problem... |
| 09:43.07 | jim | yep, circular depends, that's a bug |
| 09:44.02 | jim | !maint libpango1.0-common |
| 09:44.06 | dpkg | libpango1.0-common: Sebastien Bacher <seb128@debian.org> |
| 09:44.11 | jim | !maint libpango1.0-0 |
| 09:44.16 | dpkg | libpango1.0-0: Sebastien Bacher <seb128@debian.org> |
| 09:45.02 | *** part/#debian Ckopnuo (~ckopnuo@dwk.ryazan.ru) |
| 09:45.33 | n0cturnal | is there any way to replace $HOME/Maildir in the .procmailrc file, with /home/mail/$USER/Maildir/ ? |
| 09:45.59 | *** join/#debian zwbgood (~zwbgood@219.144.230.133) |
| 09:45.59 | *** join/#debian pafrusurewa (~stefan@85-124-14-72.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 09:46.49 | zwbgood | hello |
| 09:46.56 | jm_ | n0cturnal: ehh? |
| 09:47.41 | *** join/#debian Holborn (~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 09:47.51 | *** join/#debian andrea (~andrea@host-84-220-117-83.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 09:48.00 | andrea | hi all |
| 09:48.08 | *** join/#debian kromagg (~kromagg@83-134-73-219.Gent.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be) |
| 09:48.31 | n0cturnal | i want to move my users' maildirs to /home/mail/<user>/Maildir instead of /home/<user>/Maildir |
| 09:48.50 | jm_ | so move it |
| 09:49.10 | n0cturnal | but then i need to tell the .procmailrc file to dump the mail in the right place.. |
| 09:49.21 | n0cturnal | and /home/mail/$USER/Maildir doesn't work |
| 09:49.44 | zwbgood | hiweed debian? |
| 09:49.46 | *** join/#debian zimnyx (~xxx@bwg37.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 09:49.46 | jm_ | procmail dumps mail in $DEFAULT by default |
| 09:50.12 | andrea | jim:i know u're gonna kill me,but how can i specify the source directory of packages with apt-get? |
| 09:50.15 | *** join/#debian amorphix (~paul@82-37-56-220.cable.ubr04.brom.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 09:50.21 | n0cturnal | MAILDIR=$HOME/mail |
| 09:50.23 | n0cturnal | DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/inbox |
| 09:50.24 | *** join/#debian Shadur (shadur@marduk.systemec.nl) |
| 09:50.29 | n0cturnal | is what i have... |
| 09:50.41 | jim | andrea: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:51.11 | zimnyx | i got locale set to latin2. is it possible in gnome-terminal to edit in vim file which is utf8 encioded? |
| 09:51.21 | jm_ | set VERBOSE and LOGABSTRACT and find out what it really sets them to |
| 09:52.17 | jm_ | although your MAILDIR setting sounds wrong to me |
| 09:52.44 | *** join/#debian hypz (~hypz@di-c-11b0c.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 09:52.47 | andrea | the line to write sounds like: #deb file:/directory ? |
| 09:53.09 | jm_ | andrea: man sources.list |
| 09:53.27 | *** join/#debian newbie1 (foobar@62.84.110.152) |
| 09:54.01 | *** join/#debian viper (viper@218-21-ftth.onsnet.nu) |
| 09:54.10 | *** join/#debian ttt (ttt@213.151.251.8) |
| 09:54.19 | *** join/#debian Xtrace (~Xtrace@d54C3A036.access.telenet.be) |
| 09:54.42 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 09:54.53 | ttt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.49 | tralala | ttt: say again? |
| 09:56.25 | *** join/#debian holo (~carlos@a81-84-126-224.netcabo.pt) |
| 09:56.39 | *** join/#debian spiorf (spiorf@host143-141.pool8256.interbusiness.it) |
| 09:56.58 | *** join/#debian tolecnal (~tolecnal@ti121210a080-0266.bb.online.no) |
| 09:57.01 | ttt | tralala: how can someone do a server (irc, apache) without public ip address if i have pub ip? |
| 09:57.23 | tralala | ttt: what you need is port forwarding. man iptables |
| 09:57.40 | kooll | ttt: your friend can use something like dyndns |
| 09:57.57 | tralala | kooll: without a real IP? |
| 09:58.04 | ttt | tralala: he had static ip, but not public...iptables? hm, and not a socks? |
| 09:58.04 | n0cturnal | ok |
| 09:58.21 | ttt | tralala: ok, i try it..thx |
| 09:58.30 | kooll | tralala: without a static ip, yes |
| 09:58.45 | tralala | kooll: ok, whatever you say |
| 09:59.26 | newbie1 | Bash programming question - are there standard string/numbers formatting functions in bash? I need to convert strings like '002' to numbers (like 2) |
| 09:59.27 | jim | ttt: you mean just accessable in your local network or only on your local machine? |
| 09:59.56 | jm_ | newbie1: A='002' is both a number and a string |
| 10:00.12 | ttt | jim: local network.. |
| 10:00.15 | tralala | newbie1: everything in bash is strings but when you use number operations on the strings they are interpreted as numbers whenever it's possible |
| 10:00.16 | newbie1 | jm_: I need to make a list of IPs, but 192.168.0.03 is not valid |
| 10:00.17 | n0cturnal | when I specify my procmail MAILDIR value as "/home/mail/username/Maildir/" the log shows folder as "Folder: /home/mail/username/Maildir/new/msg.dCYB"... when i set it to "/home/mail/$USER/Maildir/" it says the folder is ".new" without the other stuff... |
| 10:00.25 | *** join/#debian Sadus[LA1] (foobar@annex.sagehall.com) |
| 10:00.36 | ttt | jim: my machine can do with ssh |
| 10:00.43 | jim | so what you want is for the server to be accessable only on the local net and not to the outside? |
| 10:01.02 | jm_ | n0cturnal: the first one is OK |
| 10:01.12 | jm_ | newbie1: what does this have to do with it? |
| 10:01.21 | ttt | jim: no..i want is a server with access from outside, but this server haven't public IP |
| 10:01.36 | tralala | ttt: port forwarding again |
| 10:02.06 | n0cturnal | jm_: yah... but i dont particularly want to have to go and edit about 150 different .procmailrc files... i'd much rather have them using a $USER variable or similar.. |
| 10:02.12 | ttt | tralala: and I can run irssi , apache etc from other machine? hm..ok |
| 10:02.16 | newbie1 | jm_: i iterate through array of strings and need to output valid ip. The strings are in format %02g (seq is used) |
| 10:02.28 | jim | ok, then... you set the hostname in your httpd config file so it's the same as the name of the public IP, then you forward port 80 inside to that machine |
| 10:02.35 | jm_ | n0cturnal: tried using LOGNAME variable? |
| 10:02.37 | tralala | ttt: you are speaking about two different things |
| 10:02.38 | sep | i hae had problems getting courier autdaemon to authenticate against a mysql. so to eliminate butterfinger issues i purged and reinstalled. i have now installed courier-authdaemon, and I am using the default config file, ie: authpam and are trying to test authentication using my regular linux username and password, using courierauthtest username password, and even now in a default setup i get authentication failed. i have restarted the daemon, am i m |
| 10:02.38 | sep | issing something obvious or what ? |
| 10:02.53 | jm_ | newbie1: I still don't understand what your problem is |
| 10:03.24 | *** join/#debian Mi-ch-ael (~Michael@84.4.39.130) |
| 10:03.33 | tralala | ttt: in order to provide a service from a machine without a real IP you need a router that *has* a real IP and does port forwarding for the service |
| 10:04.11 | newbie1 | jm_: convert '02' to '2' |
| 10:04.17 | tralala | ttt: and in order to have a client without a real IP you only need SNAT or proxy server. |
| 10:04.40 | Mi-ch-ael | Bonjour |
| 10:05.19 | *** join/#debian hyacinth (~hyacinth@218.76.230.84) |
| 10:05.34 | jm_ | newbie1: why do you want to get rid of leading 0-s, to display it or what? |
| 10:06.07 | *** part/#debian Mi-ch-ael (~Michael@84.4.39.130) |
| 10:06.43 | tralala | newbie1: check the brace expansion mechanism in the bash manuals. You need something like ${a%b} or ${a#b}. |
| 10:07.18 | *** join/#debian Opti-Plex (Octi@58.65.154.201) |
| 10:07.34 | Opti-Plex | Help |
| 10:07.53 | liable | me |
| 10:08.02 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 10:08.11 | Opti-Plex | Logcheck just sent me an MMS to my phone that someone was trying user "test" and "root" to login to my box from the IP 61.97.32.11 |
| 10:08.18 | Opti-Plex | how do i ban that guy ? |
| 10:08.19 | *** join/#debian shoutmaya (~user@61.110.37.233) |
| 10:08.54 | Eulex | Opti-Plex, ftp? ssh? and what server software? |
| 10:08.57 | amorphix | an Korean IP address |
| 10:09.08 | shoutmaya | umm? |
| 10:09.11 | Opti-Plex | Eulex: SSH, Debian 3.1 |
| 10:09.22 | liable | bloody Guerin at it again :P |
| 10:09.39 | Opti-Plex | Eulex: LogCheck, scans logs for suspicious logs and sends me an Email to my phone. |
| 10:09.42 | shoutmaya | i connect from korea hehe |
| 10:10.02 | amorphix | koreans use Linux? |
| 10:10.12 | Gathond | Opti-Plex: in my experience banning all those bruteforce drone machines will be a full time job, my advice is to just avoid common usernames and ignore it |
| 10:10.15 | shoutmaya | amorphix: sure.. |
| 10:10.20 | tralala | Opti-Plex: you can reject the connections from this IP using iptables |
| 10:10.34 | *** join/#debian hettar (~hettar@ppp105-154.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) |
| 10:10.38 | shoutmaya | amorphix: there are also korea linux documents project etc... |
| 10:10.45 | amorphix | cool |
| 10:10.57 | shoutmaya | :-) |
| 10:11.10 | Opti-Plex | Gathond: I dont have common users but "root" is definitely commin :| |
| 10:11.14 | Opti-Plex | tralala: Never used IPtables. Can u help me out ? |
| 10:11.22 | Opti-Plex | common* |
| 10:11.28 | Gathond | Opti-Plex: root is also by defaul disabled through ssh |
| 10:11.30 | *** join/#debian Overand_ (overand@64.252.101.237) |
| 10:11.47 | Gathond | Opti-Plex: besides a good password obtains the same thing there |
| 10:11.50 | *** join/#debian SoTMaR (~sotmar@62-14-70-215.inversas.jazztel.es) |
| 10:12.07 | liable | Gathond: you sure about that? I had to disable it myself. |
| 10:12.17 | Opti-Plex | Gathond: Got good passwords bur if I disable root via ssh, how do I so stuff that require's root ? |
| 10:12.31 | Eulex | Opti-Plex, sudo? |
| 10:12.35 | liable | Opti-Plex: log in then su |
| 10:12.35 | Gathond | liable: I never disabled it myself, but all my debian machines have it disabled, so I assumed it was default |
| 10:12.42 | amorphix | hi guys, im building a bootable floppy and making a root disk.. will i need the floppy.ko driver module for fdd support? |
| 10:12.45 | Opti-Plex | Eulex: Have sudo :) |
| 10:12.48 | tralala | Opti-Plex: I can give you the rule to do this but if you plan to keep a public server up for a while you'll need to learn how to protect it, i.e. how to create firewall rules |
| 10:12.48 | Opti-Plex | liable: K |
| 10:12.50 | *** join/#debian marcin (~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl) |
| 10:12.52 | Gathond | Opti-Plex: su, sudo, super or some other program |
| 10:13.01 | Opti-Plex | tralala: sure |
| 10:13.03 | *** join/#debian mrcoyote_ (~mrcoyote@AAnnecy-251-1-44-227.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:13.05 | newbie1 | tralala: thank you, it works :) |
| 10:13.12 | *** join/#debian netcraft_ (~netcraft@netcraft.user) |
| 10:13.15 | amorphix | isnt fdd support built into the kernel? |
| 10:13.16 | Opti-Plex | Gathond: OK i have sudo. How do i disable root via ssh ? |
| 10:13.22 | tralala | newbie1: you're welcome |
| 10:13.33 | viper | ok I`m in the wrong chan for this I know .. but most windows junks know shit .. and its just a tiny question .. is it possible to have multiple vpn connection on a windows XP sp2 server ? |
| 10:14.00 | jethro | ~lart viper |
| 10:14.02 | liable | amorphix: the debian images no good? |
| 10:14.03 | tralala | Opti-Plex: however for ssh the best thing is to disable password logins and only use key logins |
| 10:14.13 | Gathond | Opti-Plex: PermitRootLogin no |
| 10:14.13 | Gathond | , put that in sshd_config |
| 10:14.13 | viper | jethro ouch |
| 10:14.16 | Opti-Plex | tralala: key logins? |
| 10:14.16 | jethro | viper: is it possible that you leave the channel, or stop asking shit like this? |
| 10:14.27 | amorphix | liable: i gotta build my own, its not for installation purposes see |
| 10:14.37 | dondelelcaro | viper: window is OT here. Please ask those questions elsewhere. |
| 10:14.50 | viper | jethro be honerd that I see you guys as good technics.... I just need a yes or no .. no manual |
| 10:14.55 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 10:14.55 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@218-21-ftth.onsnet.nu] by dondelelcaro |
| 10:14.55 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 10:15.00 | tralala | Opti-Plex: yes, man ssh-keygen, man ssh (authorized_keys) |
| 10:15.03 | jethro | thanks don |
| 10:15.05 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 10:15.40 | Opti-Plex | Gathond: ok |
| 10:15.47 | Opti-Plex | tralala: Thanks |
| 10:15.48 | *** join/#debian PunkZY_work (~PunkZY@195.222.88.242) |
| 10:15.54 | jethro | tralala: hi |
| 10:16.02 | dondelelcaro | jethro: np. best to start by asking such people to ask their questions elsewhere instead of invoking a clue-by-4 though. |
| 10:16.08 | tralala | hey, jethro |
| 10:16.28 | jethro | dondelelcaro: I'll try my best not to do it again. |
| 10:17.14 | amorphix | even if fdd support is enabled in the kernel by default, the floppy.ko driver module is still needed eh? |
| 10:17.21 | tralala | I'm wondering what happend to greycat. He was quite brutal to the morrons here. |
| 10:17.36 | amorphix | greycat only comes in at certain times |
| 10:17.43 | tarzeau | tralala: no he was very kind |
| 10:17.44 | *** join/#debian seldon (~Oxdeadbee@dsl-084-059-132-136.arcor-ip.net) |
| 10:17.50 | tarzeau | !seen greycat |
| 10:17.51 | dpkg | greycat <rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 13h 44m 47s ago, saying: 'pingu?'. |
| 10:18.01 | error403|away | haha |
| 10:18.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 794] by debhelper |
| 10:18.08 | amorphix | he's not very tolerant of idiots as i found out myself on occasion :P |
| 10:18.20 | jethro | tralala: some regulars get bored sometimes, and just quit being in #debian for some days |
| 10:18.43 | tralala | amorphix: the certain times used to match with mine... apparently not any longer |
| 10:18.52 | Opti-Plex | -su: PermitRootLogin: command not found |
| 10:18.53 | Opti-Plex | :S |
| 10:18.58 | tralala | tarzeau: uh.... ok |
| 10:19.07 | amorphix | maybe greycat is snuggled up alongside a white fluffy female cat |
| 10:19.07 | jethro | Opti-Plex: that's a directive for sshd_config. not a command. |
| 10:19.13 | anacaona | hello... |
| 10:19.19 | Opti-Plex | oops |
| 10:19.20 | Opti-Plex | ok |
| 10:19.20 | tarzeau | amorphix: he's married |
| 10:19.24 | amorphix | oh |
| 10:19.28 | tarzeau | tralala: you've never been to ##hurd |
| 10:19.32 | anacaona | how do i get debian to install with kernel 2.6 instead of 2.4? |
| 10:19.44 | jethro | anacaona: use linux26 at the prompt. or hit F1 |
| 10:19.46 | jm_ | anacaona: by reading Installation manual |
| 10:20.02 | anacaona | thanx |
| 10:20.16 | hettar | will updating SID break it at the moment ? |
| 10:20.19 | tralala | tarzeau: indeed. So you mean I don't know the true meaning of brutal? |
| 10:20.24 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 10:20.25 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 10:20.27 | tarzeau | hettar: READ |
| 10:20.37 | tarzeau | tralala: exactly |
| 10:20.58 | TinoW | hettar: MOS 6581 SID? ;) |
| 10:21.06 | tarzeau | TinoW: heh |
| 10:21.07 | dondelelcaro | if you have to ask if sid will break something, you're not ready to use sid. |
| 10:21.53 | hettar | Trazeau I have read that many times. However the question was not may sid at some point break but does anyone know if at this point in time it is broken |
| 10:21.54 | *** join/#debian OleMoudi (~TK422@168.Red-83-50-224.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 10:22.14 | tralala | tarzeau: You've made me really curious now. I'll try to join the channel when I feel like watching the morons being hurt. |
| 10:22.15 | tarzeau | hettar: it's not for me |
| 10:22.28 | hettar | thank you |
| 10:22.29 | *** join/#debian vorsprung (~vorsprung@host83-217-165-95.dsl.vispa.com) |
| 10:22.33 | tarzeau | tralala: watch out for ams |
| 10:22.48 | vorsprung | hi |
| 10:22.49 | jethro | hettar: read debian-devel |
| 10:23.00 | tralala | ams? |
| 10:23.11 | tarzeau | tralala: like tralala |
| 10:23.24 | hettar | jethro: normally I would, but I haven't been on the net for several days. |
| 10:23.28 | amorphix | ok who's moved the floppy images from debian.org |
| 10:23.35 | jethro | hettar: and? |
| 10:23.44 | petemc | amorphix: no one, they're there |
| 10:23.45 | Opti-Plex | tralala: I want to quickly ban that IP for now. Cant wait longer as I am at an Internet Cafe (Summer vaccations :S) |
| 10:23.48 | *** join/#debian patad (~unknown@thor.gex.ncable.net.au) |
| 10:23.49 | vorsprung | I am having trouble with memory use since I installed sarge. At first I thought it was just mozilla but it seems more fundemental than that. I have just noticed /dev/shm "using" 128M of memory |
| 10:23.59 | patad | hello whats the package to update http://messenger.msn.com/download/downloadx.aspx |
| 10:24.03 | patad | woops |
| 10:24.06 | patad | sorry |
| 10:24.06 | tarzeau | vorsprung: got gnome? or kde? |
| 10:24.08 | amorphix | phew |
| 10:24.10 | vorsprung | Is it a good idea to turn off this tmpfs thing? |
| 10:24.16 | patad | whats the package to update GD library |
| 10:24.22 | jm_ | vorsprung: no, you need that |
| 10:24.26 | tralala | Opti-Plex: iptables -A INPUT -j DROP -s <the_ip_to_ban> -p tcp --dport ssh |
| 10:24.27 | tarzeau | patad: use apt-cache search or grep with dpkg -l |
| 10:24.29 | amorphix | double up on your swap |
| 10:24.37 | *** join/#debian zerocoder (~zerocoder@213.211.242.138) |
| 10:24.53 | tralala | tarzeau: what's ams? |
| 10:24.58 | vorsprung | tarzeau, I'm running sawmill/sawfish with some gnome stuff. I don't particularly care about what wm I run though as long as it works |
| 10:24.59 | Opti-Plex | TraceCobur: thanx |
| 10:25.02 | tarzeau | tralala: a nickname, like tralala |
| 10:25.04 | amorphix | my system runs comfortably with 256MB and KDE |
| 10:25.11 | vorsprung | amorphix, ok |
| 10:25.17 | tralala | tarzeau: ah, ok. :) |
| 10:25.26 | tarzeau | vorsprung: gnome and kde are quite a bit more than the usual wm |
| 10:25.40 | amorphix | true |
| 10:25.42 | ttt | tralala: ok, pls I forwarded port http over iptables..and now what must i do? |
| 10:25.57 | tralala | tarzeau: ams == greycat@hurd or? |
| 10:26.03 | tarzeau | tralala: no |
| 10:26.06 | amorphix | try fluxbox or enlightenment if you want things to go faster |
| 10:26.20 | amorphix | or even xfce4 if you want the desktop still |
| 10:26.23 | star007 | for a slower machine xfce should be faster then kde or gnome but not so fast as enlightenment or fluxbox |
| 10:26.34 | jethro | !irritate tralala |
| 10:26.35 | dpkg | tralala: HELP ME!!! who uses gnome !!!1 |
| 10:26.36 | amorphix | true |
| 10:26.47 | vorsprung | tarzeau, I think aliens ate my swap...I seem to have no swap at all! no wonder stuff is going bang |
| 10:27.01 | amorphix | phew |
| 10:27.36 | tralala | ttt: if you have done it correctly, now everyone who tries to access your *real* IP for http will be served by your friends computer. |
| 10:27.47 | *** join/#debian chill (~chill@chill.adsl.utwente.nl) |
| 10:28.13 | tralala | jethro: nah, I've trained myself to not get easily debalanced :) |
| 10:28.17 | patad | what one would it be tarzeau |
| 10:28.31 | *** join/#debian chill_ (~chill@chill.adsl.utwente.nl) |
| 10:28.34 | anacaona | i'm trying to install debian onto a pretty old fujitsu laptop. the installer screen looks fine, but when i reboot to continue installation the text resolution is pixelated and grungy. any idea where the problem may lie? |
| 10:28.37 | tralala | jethro: #debian has helped me a lot with this task :) |
| 10:28.56 | tarzeau | patad: something with gd, obviously |
| 10:29.05 | patad | tarzeau, but which one! |
| 10:29.20 | tarzeau | patad: how the fuck could i know? there's several, do i have access onto YOUR computer? |
| 10:29.22 | jethro | tralala: :)) |
| 10:29.31 | tarzeau | patad: tell me the password, ip, login and i'll give you your answer |
| 10:29.42 | star007 | vorsprung: do you dont have any swap partition on your hdd? or is it only not mountet in the fstab? |
| 10:29.42 | patad | gah? |
| 10:29.49 | *** join/#debian idealbsd (~idealbsd@211.80.86.147) |
| 10:29.54 | tarzeau | DAMN WHY ARE PEOPLE SO LAZY |
| 10:30.05 | patad | Error: Could not be loaded GD library witch is required by YapiG or your GD version is too old. |
| 10:30.19 | ApEtc | tarzeau: You missed a question mark. Be careful or someone might chalk it up to laziness. :) |
| 10:30.46 | patad | meh |
| 10:30.50 | *** join/#debian dob (~dob@host226-160.pool8248.interbusiness.it) |
| 10:30.57 | Gathond | ApEtc: depends wether he asked a question or just stated a fact :) |
| 10:31.05 | tarzeau | patad: dpkg -l |grep gd |
| 10:31.12 | tarzeau | ApEtc: ? |
| 10:31.12 | dob | hi, hotplug requires a 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:31.33 | ApEtc | tarzeau: Cheap joke, don't worry about it. |
| 10:31.46 | tarzeau | ApEtc: i just wanted to add the missing question mark :) |
| 10:31.58 | patad | YaPiG requires the GD library to work (1.6.x or above since 0.91). |
| 10:32.51 | ApEtc | tarzeau: Oh, heh. Didn't realize that is what you meant. |
| 10:34.10 | *** join/#debian _root_ (~Unknown@dsl-Chn-static-151.41.101.203.touchtelindia.net) |
| 10:35.14 | vorsprung | ok I have swap now :) |
| 10:35.19 | *** join/#debian SeerKan (phillip@dnt-gw-galeafilip.dnttm.ro) |
| 10:35.30 | *** join/#debian ja0x (ja0x@66.201.162.24) |
| 10:35.52 | vorsprung | dunno what happened to it, maybe I told the distupgrade to overwrite fstab |
| 10:36.00 | vorsprung | now about this /dev/shm thing |
| 10:36.04 | vorsprung | wtf is it |
| 10:36.09 | *** part/#debian ja0x (ja0x@66.201.162.24) |
| 10:36.24 | *** join/#debian mauvm (~mauvm@200-171-45-245.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 10:36.43 | star007 | @ vorsprung: if you only use kde tools (like koffice instead of openoffice) kde should also ok with less ram |
| 10:37.18 | SeerKan | i pasted on flood ... cand someone tell me what should i do ? |
| 10:37.25 | jm_ | vorsprung: Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt |
| 10:37.28 | *** join/#debian PunkZY (~PunkZY@195.222.88.242) |
| 10:37.30 | vorsprung | jm_, ta |
| 10:37.32 | *** join/#debian Quag7 (~pkropotki@pcp0011031277pcs.pimaco01.az.comcast.net) |
| 10:37.33 | mauvm | alguem pode me dar uma ajuda sobre a instalação do Qmail.? por favor |
| 10:37.41 | resiak | SeerKan: Configure postfix? |
| 10:37.43 | Guerin | !br |
| 10:37.44 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 10:37.53 | SeerKan | resiak: how ? |
| 10:38.02 | resiak | SeerKan: I'm just guessing. |
| 10:38.08 | Guerin | yummeh watermelon |
| 10:38.24 | SeerKan | :)... i can gues to :) but i need a sure thing |
| 10:38.32 | anacaona | i'm trying to install debian onto a pretty old fujitsu laptop. the installer screen looks fine, but when i reboot to continue installation the text resolution is pixelated and grungy. any idea where the problem may lie? |
| 10:39.23 | *** join/#debian Doc42 (~fp@pD95B6814.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:39.48 | *** join/#debian enerv (enerv@201008202044.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 10:39.58 | *** join/#debian dob (~dob@host226-160.pool8248.interbusiness.it) |
| 10:40.01 | *** join/#debian mauvm (~mauvm@200-171-45-245.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 10:40.18 | *** join/#debian D3v1L (~D3v1L@200.161.13.238) |
| 10:40.19 | vorsprung | jm_, so it is required by glibc 2.2+ for shm...fine :) |
| 10:40.47 | vorsprung | I don't know why people kept mentioning kde to me |
| 10:40.48 | vorsprung | :) |
| 10:41.00 | mauvm | como entro no debian_br ? |
| 10:41.03 | Guerin | anacaona: sounds like it's using a non-native resolution. |
| 10:41.25 | Guerin | anacaona: do you know what the native lcd resolution is? |
| 10:42.22 | *** join/#debian kane_ (~kane@perl.xs4all.nl) |
| 10:42.32 | *** join/#debian Langly1 (Langly@c-24-20-8-232.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 10:42.58 | SeerKan | so .. can someone help me with sendmail ? :) |
| 10:43.06 | *** part/#debian D3v1L (~D3v1L@200.161.13.238) |
| 10:44.56 | *** join/#debian ermavin_ (~ernst@telemark-static99.bluecom.no) |
| 10:45.17 | *** join/#debian meppl (~mephisto@p54AADBEA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:45.34 | enerv | somebody know how to place grub in fullscreen? |
| 10:46.07 | Guerin | enerv: ? |
| 10:46.25 | Guerin | SeerKan: if you need help with it, you shouldn't use sendmail. Use exim4 |
| 10:46.28 | *** join/#debian BlueShift (~justin@210.213.129.51) |
| 10:46.38 | Morti | anacaona: That's because the framebuffer runs at 640x480 and your laptop screen doesn't. |
| 10:46.59 | jm_ | vorsprung: right |
| 10:47.09 | *** join/#debian pikeman (~rr00tt@218-160-78-117.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 10:47.32 | enerv | Guerin, in my notebook, screen of grub is small |
| 10:47.58 | Guerin | enerv: see if there's a bios switch to stretch the screen |
| 10:48.06 | *** join/#debian kuene (~kuene@fw-hgkz.hgkz.ch) |
| 10:48.56 | enerv | ok... Guerin what parament i try to find in my bios? |
| 10:51.04 | SeerKan | Guerin: and why do u thing i don't need help with wxim4? |
| 10:51.18 | SeerKan | *exim4 |
| 10:52.24 | *** part/#debian Doc42 (~fp@pD95B6814.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:52.44 | *** join/#debian EmleyMoor (phil@topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com) |
| 10:52.56 | Guerin | SeerKan: you probably do, if yuou type like that |
| 10:53.07 | liable | enerv: put your glasses on :P |
| 10:53.09 | Guerin | SeerKan: but sendmail is orders of magnitude more complicated than exim |
| 10:53.17 | *** join/#debian Durin (rv@sparc.velter.de) |
| 10:53.24 | Guerin | enerv: how the fuck should *I* know what's in your bios? |
| 10:53.38 | EmleyMoor | How do I set my locale in my .xsession? When I run programs from the menus (OpenOffice and Route 66 for example) I get American dates and money - when I run them from a shell I get British |
| 10:54.11 | *** join/#debian VivekVC (~user@202.83.41.158) |
| 10:54.30 | anacaona | guerin - morti: thanks for the replies, i'll look into that... |
| 10:54.34 | *** join/#debian Glenn^BF (~Glenn@85.201.1.143) |
| 10:54.35 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: how do you start X? |
| 10:54.47 | EmleyMoor | jm_: I am running xdm |
| 10:55.16 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: you could use /etc/environment and tell xdm to honour it via PAM config |
| 10:56.02 | EmleyMoor | What is /etc/environment? |
| 10:57.10 | Guerin | EmleyMoor: a file, at a wild guess. You could look and see... |
| 10:57.15 | jm_ | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam-6.html#ss6.5 |
| 10:57.24 | jm_ | how about you read this? |
| 10:58.04 | *** join/#debian OleMoudi (~TK422@168.Red-83-50-224.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 10:58.39 | *** join/#debian orangerange (~hideseek@FLH1Abs068.fko.mesh.ad.jp) |
| 10:59.23 | ThanaZzzz | OT what are the extension of the pages from germany ? |
| 10:59.39 | *** join/#debian ciaron (~soth@cpc1-broo1-4-0-cust93.renf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 10:59.41 | TinoW | ThanaZzzz: .html? |
| 11:00.00 | TinoW | ThanaZzzz: or no extension at all :) |
| 11:00.34 | EmleyMoor | jm_: OK - that's explained /etc/environment - how do I make this stuff work? |
| 11:00.46 | Guerin | ThanaZzzz: .de ? |
| 11:00.54 | ThanaZzzz | yes ! .de |
| 11:00.55 | ThanaZzzz | thanks |
| 11:00.59 | TinoW | ThanaZzzz: np |
| 11:01.00 | TinoW | no |
| 11:01.15 | ralf | i'm going to install kde 3.4.1 on sid, what packages should I install? the ones in experimental or the alioth ones? |
| 11:01.20 | TinoW | I mean... you can set up like that via Multiviews... |
| 11:01.38 | ircdevil | postdrop: warning: uid=1000: File too large |
| 11:01.41 | TinoW | ThanaZzzz: or do you really mean toplevel domain? |
| 11:01.46 | ircdevil | no its not - where to adjust? |
| 11:01.50 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: what stuff? |
| 11:02.19 | EmleyMoor | jm_; How, once I have an /etc/environment file, do I get it taken notice of? |
| 11:02.27 | *** join/#debian johny (~johny@nobugconsulting.ro) |
| 11:02.38 | *** join/#debian evilstoy (HydraIRC@83-131-72-131.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 11:02.40 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: I told you to enable it in PAM config for xdm |
| 11:03.33 | *** join/#debian EmleyMoor (phil@topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com) |
| 11:03.40 | *** join/#debian Xtrace (~Xtrace@d54C3A036.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:03.42 | *** join/#debian MoDaXaS (jjavyd@lan-71-78.skynet.lt) |
| 11:03.42 | EmleyMoor | Erm... how? |
| 11:03.53 | jm_ | with an editor? |
| 11:03.57 | *** join/#debian Ahil (~Ahil@vpn-pppoe-213-240-243-214.megalan.bg) |
| 11:04.07 | EmleyMoor | What do I edit? |
| 11:04.22 | jm_ | PAM config for xdm |
| 11:04.26 | jm_ | for the third time |
| 11:04.39 | EmleyMoor | Yes but what is that CALLED? |
| 11:04.47 | jm_ | dpkg -L xdm |
| 11:04.48 | dpkg | ii xdm 1.6-13.1 jm_'s private stamp collection |
| 11:04.58 | jm_ | hehe |
| 11:05.01 | *** join/#debian _Mook_ (~Mook@cm-net-poa-C8B0C56D.dynamic.brdterra.com.br) |
| 11:05.11 | liable | thats a good cmd :P |
| 11:05.12 | *** join/#debian CCU (~CCU@d54C3A036.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:05.17 | jethro | EmleyMoor: ls /etc/pam.d/*dm* |
| 11:05.49 | EmleyMoor | Got it... if it says "auth required pam_env.so" will that work? |
| 11:05.55 | *** part/#debian Ahil (~Ahil@vpn-pppoe-213-240-243-214.megalan.bg) |
| 11:06.08 | jethro | EmleyMoor: read some documentation instead of expecting being handholded |
| 11:06.26 | jm_ | good work, you can read more about it on the kernel.org site using the URL I gave you |
| 11:06.40 | _Mook_ | when making install debian 3.1, when ask about my videoboard, is it Vesa the right choice? (I have Asus a7n8x-x with video onboard) |
| 11:06.43 | EmleyMoor | jethro: I have - I have however reached the point of despair |
| 11:06.50 | *** join/#debian marfis|mobile (~marfis@i3ED6E818.versanet.de) |
| 11:06.59 | resiak | ralf: Ask #debian-kde maybe |
| 11:07.00 | *** join/#debian otje (~jo@203pc197.sshunet.nl) |
| 11:07.06 | jethro | EmleyMoor: it means you need to read more, and understand. being handholded doesn't make one learn. NEVER |
| 11:07.50 | *** join/#debian marcin (~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl) |
| 11:07.51 | ralf | resiak: nothing responded |
| 11:07.55 | ralf | *noone |
| 11:07.59 | EmleyMoor | (I did NOT break this setting myself, the system did) |
| 11:08.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 801] by debhelper |
| 11:08.05 | *** join/#debian bhuvan (bhuvan@202.9.121.244) |
| 11:08.16 | resiak | !they didn't answer |
| 11:08.18 | resiak | :( |
| 11:08.24 | bhuvan | can any one help me on configure wine |
| 11:08.26 | liable | dont know. |
| 11:08.33 | *** join/#debian Pauk (~pfraser@office.auconnect.net) |
| 11:08.36 | EmleyMoor | bhuvan: What's your problem with it? |
| 11:08.53 | jethro | EmleyMoor: if the system did, there must be a corresponding bug in the BTS. if there isn't, either it means you need to file a bug, or you broke it, no matter what you say. |
| 11:08.58 | otje | how can I setup Debian to use one time passwords? |
| 11:09.13 | jethro | otje: for all authentications? |
| 11:09.27 | bhuvan | i have installed wine on an testing version of debian and succesfully ran page maker and photoshop but i am not able to install indesign and make it work |
| 11:09.46 | otje | I don't know what you mean exactly; just for ssh login |
| 11:09.55 | bhuvan | it says that the os which you us in not the correct os |
| 11:10.04 | EmleyMoor | Last night I was getting lots of "ummm, not sure, try this..." type hints... which is even worse |
| 11:10.05 | liable | bhuvan: #wine-hq??? |
| 11:10.14 | bhuvan | yes i am already in the room |
| 11:10.17 | *** join/#debian seldon (~Oxdeadbee@dsl-084-059-150-230.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:10.21 | EmleyMoor | bhuvan: What says? Are you sure this is Debian's problem? |
| 11:10.43 | bhuvan | not exactly but thought would get some help |
| 11:11.00 | EmleyMoor | bhuvan: OK, what says? |
| 11:11.05 | resiak | ralf: http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34 |
| 11:11.33 | *** join/#debian vovka_MA (~vlad@c-66-31-245-218.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 11:11.37 | *** join/#debian te0x (~te0x@81.208.74.2) |
| 11:11.47 | *** join/#debian PeTeRB (~me@80.232.209.146) |
| 11:12.04 | EmleyMoor | (sorry, can't hang around here all day, I have my own issues to work on |
| 11:12.56 | *** join/#debian kilaker (cyh@c-125fe353.450-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 11:12.58 | *** join/#debian alec (~alec@dhcp-55-239.bowdoin.edu) |
| 11:13.22 | *** join/#debian aphexer (~alex@83-134-128-221.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be) |
| 11:13.57 | *** join/#debian lestest (~lestest@xibm3.dma.unina.it) |
| 11:14.13 | lestest | hi there ... what is the plural for IP? |
| 11:14.18 | lestest | IP's or IPs |
| 11:14.21 | *** join/#debian garmaflone (~root@APoitiers-106-2-1-73.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:14.33 | resiak | lestest: I would argue the latter. Others disagree. |
| 11:15.04 | paulswm | lestest: IPs. "IP's" means "IP is". |
| 11:15.13 | lestest | thankz |
| 11:15.14 | lestest | :) |
| 11:15.42 | paulswm | lestest: you are most welcome, prolly the only question I'll see all day which I can answer :) |
| 11:15.56 | *** join/#debian EmleyMoor (phil@topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com) |
| 11:16.21 | EmleyMoor | Many thanks - this problem has been bugging me for weeks |
| 11:16.56 | Nigel | amd64, 1gig phsyical ram - how much swap? 1.5GB? 2GB? |
| 11:17.54 | *** join/#debian abril (~Hugo_The_@ANantes-152-1-6-192.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:18.00 | abril | salut :) |
| 11:18.02 | EmleyMoor | (probably explains why I was so abrupt - I'm normally quite happy to RTFM) |
| 11:18.12 | *** join/#debian lmclaren (~chatzilla@dsl-210-15-198-130.TAS.netspace.net.au) |
| 11:18.40 | abril | hello |
| 11:18.50 | vovka_MA | hey abril |
| 11:18.55 | vovka_MA | how r u |
| 11:19.00 | *** join/#debian nse (leo@201.12.184.40) |
| 11:19.04 | abril | can someone help me with a kernel problem ? ( a french personn if its possible!!) |
| 11:19.06 | Guerin | Nigel: wanting to use suspend-to-disk? |
| 11:19.19 | *** join/#debian Pepper (~Pepper@pidell5.ifit.uni-klu.ac.at) |
| 11:19.27 | resiak | !fr |
| 11:19.28 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:19.29 | abril | hey vovka_MA |
| 11:19.32 | abril | !fr |
| 11:19.34 | EmleyMoor | abril: I might be able to help you in English |
| 11:19.40 | abril | ok |
| 11:19.42 | *** join/#debian jharrison (~jharrison@24.244.138.224) |
| 11:19.43 | liable | abril: there's #debian-fr |
| 11:19.48 | *** join/#debian opioid (~karl@pcp08896855pcs.hcksrd01.tn.comcast.net) |
| 11:19.57 | opioid | tulip0: MII transceiver #1 config 1000 status 786d advertising 01e1. |
| 11:20.02 | opioid | is that my wireless card ? |
| 11:20.15 | EmleyMoor | opioid: Looks wired to me |
| 11:20.26 | Nigel | Guerin: suspend-to-disk? is that an amd64 feature? |
| 11:20.41 | opioid | EmleyMoor: how do i make tulip0 get an address via dhcp like eth0 does ? |
| 11:20.44 | Nigel | or just a more technical term for windows "hibernate" |
| 11:20.45 | abril | ok i'm on the #debian-fr |
| 11:20.46 | Guerin | Nigel: you're clearly not wanting to. |
| 11:20.49 | abril | thank you |
| 11:20.52 | Guerin | Nigel: yeah. |
| 11:21.01 | aphexer | where can i find the original config of the linux kernel that is on the cd? |
| 11:21.20 | Nigel | Guerin: never come across that feature |
| 11:21.26 | EmleyMoor | opioid: Are you sure it's not part of eth0? It looks like the transceiver rather than a network adapter |
| 11:21.34 | *** join/#debian Pauk (~pfraser@office.auconnect.net) |
| 11:21.42 | *** part/#debian Pepper (~Pepper@pidell5.ifit.uni-klu.ac.at) |
| 11:21.43 | Guerin | Nigel: doesn't matter how much swap you have, then. |
| 11:21.43 | liable | abril: /boot |
| 11:21.57 | EmleyMoor | aphexer: /boot/config-version may well have it |
| 11:21.58 | liable | aphexer: ^^ |
| 11:22.04 | nse | I'm experiencing a terrible thing with my desktop. It is restarting X oftenly, without apparently normal reason. Two days before yesterday the whole system breaks down and I saw "orphaned inodes" msg, when trying to reboot tye syetem. I did a fsck manually to corret those problems. Somebody said it was my HD. Is it, possibly, the real problem? |
| 11:22.05 | Nigel | but yeah, i'm tring to work out how much swap i'll need, i remember the old goldern rule: swap = ram*2 (or 3 in older PCs) |
| 11:22.19 | aphexer | EmleyMoor, liable thanks :) |
| 11:22.26 | Guerin | nse: possibly. What does fsck say when you do it manually? |
| 11:22.28 | Nigel | but yeah, now we are in the days of 1,2,3,4+ GB RAM it seems a bit el-wacko |
| 11:22.33 | *** join/#debian Doc42 (~fp@pD95B6814.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:22.45 | Guerin | Nigel: that golden rule has been obsolete since people having more than 512 ram became common. |
| 11:23.02 | otje | I will be traveling soon, and I want to access my debian machine, but I am suspicious of cybercafés with keyloggers... what can I do to prevent my passwords being stolen? |
| 11:23.03 | Nigel | yeah, i kinda realized it |
| 11:23.06 | Nigel | so what is it now? |
| 11:23.10 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (~DimmuR@cbb19.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 11:23.15 | Guerin | Nigel: swap is sometimes still useful, but if you really need it in the future you can use swapfiles |
| 11:23.22 | Guerin | Nigel: 'some' |
| 11:23.25 | nse | Guerin: I was asked to correct many problems, i mean, it oftenly prompted: "correct these, correct that?" yes, yes .. |
| 11:23.35 | liable | otje: take a live cd with ya :) |
| 11:23.36 | Guerin | Nigel: i round off my hdds to an even gig |
| 11:23.40 | *** join/#debian CCU (~CCU@d54C3A036.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:23.45 | *** part/#debian CCU (~CCU@d54C3A036.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:23.48 | Guerin | nse: still causing trouble? |
| 11:23.49 | otje | liable: okay, and what about hardware loggers? :) |
| 11:23.58 | *** join/#debian gaw_ (~gaw@p509141A8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:24.02 | *** join/#debian CCU (~CCU@d54C3A036.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:24.04 | *** join/#debian MrJung (~DD@p5483B0A4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:24.04 | paulswm | Nigel: I have 1GB memory on one box, but I use 2GB of swap because I have tmpfs mounted on /tmp and I use a lot of /tmp space. |
| 11:24.07 | Guerin | otje: not much you can do about those |
| 11:24.10 | liable | otje: take a laptop with ya :P |
| 11:24.21 | nse | Guerin: Still causing trouble. No more orphaned inodes problem, but X is restarting all the time! |
| 11:24.24 | Nigel | hmmm, i might just give it 2gig, because it's highly unlikely i'll use 160GB |
| 11:24.35 | otje | well I thought those one-time-passwords where a good idea, but the deb. packages are from like 1998 |
| 11:24.36 | Nigel | if i get anywhere near that, i can always add another HDD |
| 11:24.41 | jethro | otje: s/key is what you want. I m not that familiar with the way it works in openssh, but you should be able to find some info on google. |
| 11:24.50 | tarzeau | any words on security updates? |
| 11:25.06 | otje | jethro: i've tried, but it looks all outdated to me |
| 11:25.22 | Guerin | otje: though you could do something like predefine a few hundred passwords and have a cronjob change to the next one after you logout... |
| 11:25.22 | nse | Guerin: The point is that i have just one HD with all my life inside it. If it is breaking down it might be the time to buy another. What do you think is the real problem? |
| 11:25.24 | opioid | EmleyMoor: hmm, so maybe thats part of my nic and not my wireless pccard ? |
| 11:25.31 | jethro | otje: the box I m on is setup for s/key auth. I just don't know how my friend generates the one time passwords |
| 11:25.31 | Guerin | nse: very likely. |
| 11:25.44 | EmleyMoor | opioid: Maybe... what kind of wireless card is it? |
| 11:25.45 | jethro | Guerin: s/key exists for taht purpose :) |
| 11:25.47 | Guerin | nse: back that shit up now, or at the least, turn the machine off. |
| 11:25.53 | Guerin | jethro: s/key? |
| 11:25.59 | paulswm | Nigel: In normal course of operations, I use little swap, currently on that box only 1.7MB in use, and I have been compiling kernels like crazy and using X a lot. |
| 11:26.03 | jethro | Guerin: one time passwords |
| 11:26.15 | *** part/#debian _joey (~joey@60-240-221-24.tpgi.com.au) |
| 11:26.28 | nse | Guerin: What do you mean by back it up? |
| 11:26.41 | Guerin | jethro: how does it work - i mean - if you have to key anything in from the insecure machine, it's potentially useless. |
| 11:26.45 | otje | okay, I'll try to set them up this evening |
| 11:26.45 | sep | !backup |
| 11:26.45 | dpkg | well, backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 11:26.49 | *** part/#debian gaw_ (~gaw@p509141A8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:27.04 | *** join/#debian EmleyMoor (phil@topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com) |
| 11:27.12 | Guerin | nse: burn it to disc, upload it to a ftp, copy it to another drive ... don't you understand 'back up'? |
| 11:27.22 | otje | or just cron job to email your pgp-encrypted config to your gmail, like I do :) |
| 11:27.35 | nse | Guerin: Now i do, sorry, english is not my native language. |
| 11:27.53 | Nigel | paulswm: yeah, but i guess, if i have it, i can't complain that it's not there |
| 11:27.56 | Nigel | :P |
| 11:28.00 | Guerin | otje: if it's displayed on screen on the web pc, it's still potentially insecure. Though, much less so. |
| 11:28.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 808] by debhelper |
| 11:28.08 | *** join/#debian antjos (~josant@85.136.111.193) |
| 11:28.12 | jethro | Guerin: I m trying to find some english documentation appying for ssh on that topic hold on a sec |
| 11:28.15 | cbr | wtf is the difference of vim-gnome and vim-gtk? |
| 11:28.32 | Guerin | cbr: one is crap and one is really really crap? |
| 11:28.34 | jethro | Guerin: basically you generatea list of passwords, and your sshd is aware of them, and you print the list on a paper, and use one at a time. |
| 11:28.44 | jethro | Guerin: of course you need to trust the system you're ssh'ing to |
| 11:28.54 | Guerin | jethro: oh, that's just what I thought of. |
| 11:28.55 | Nigel | btw, how do some of you guys come up with fancy/neat/etc system names |
| 11:28.56 | nse | Guerin: This problem with X may be happening becouse of the HD too? |
| 11:29.16 | *** join/#debian Zeit|idle (~wurscht@p54A7AC7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:29.20 | liable | Nigel: with the brain? |
| 11:29.24 | Guerin | Nigel: birds. same as gentoo.org mirrors, ironically. |
| 11:29.24 | otje | jethro: please let me know too if you find something |
| 11:29.25 | cbr | wtf.. one has support for gtk2 gui and other for gnome2 gui.. |
| 11:29.28 | cbr | wtf is gnome2 gui |
| 11:29.46 | Guerin | cbr: gnome has all manner of extra annoyance built in. |
| 11:29.58 | shoutmaya | cbr: sorry, but what's mean "wtf"? :-) |
| 11:29.59 | *** join/#debian fdv (1988@tyrfing.ifi.uio.no) |
| 11:29.59 | EmleyMoor | Nigel: My domain being tinsleyviaduct.com, I chose topdeck and bottomdeck, as the decks of the viaduct, and places in Sheffield for the rest of mine |
| 11:30.04 | Guerin | gtk2 is just a toolkit |
| 11:30.21 | Guerin | !wtf |
| 11:30.31 | shoutmaya | hmm.. |
| 11:30.31 | *** join/#debian zeedo (~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net) |
| 11:30.38 | Nigel | Guerin: hmmm, birds is a good one, never thought about |
| 11:30.38 | jethro | otje: I'm primarily searching for you :) |
| 11:30.41 | *** join/#debian haakonn (~haakon@tunnel-32-40.vpn.uib.no) |
| 11:30.51 | liable | dpkg has lag today it seems |
| 11:30.58 | jethro | otje: but being in the office, it can take some time :) |
| 11:31.05 | Guerin | 20:28:08 <dpkg> no help on wtf. Use 'help' without arguments. |
| 11:31.05 | haakonn | i'm having a lot of trouble getting openntpd to keeping my time in sync. after some hours, the drift is in the tens of seconds. is there any way i can check which server it is syncing to, if any? (like ntpq -p in the reference ntpd) |
| 11:31.08 | Guerin | dpkg: wtf? |
| 11:31.08 | dpkg | somebody said wtf was Who The Fuck |
| 11:31.16 | cbr | why isnt the package just named gvim? |
| 11:31.18 | shoutmaya | Who The Fuck; |
| 11:31.20 | Guerin | dpkg: you're stupid |
| 11:31.27 | EmleyMoor | ... or what the fuck |
| 11:31.31 | shoutmaya | hahaha |
| 11:31.36 | shoutmaya | thanks :-) |
| 11:31.38 | liable | or why the fuck |
| 11:31.43 | shoutmaya | hehe |
| 11:32.03 | liable | !hi |
| 11:32.03 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 11:32.16 | *** join/#debian pwned (~cynic_X_@student-scj39.scj.fh-aachen.de) |
| 11:32.44 | nse | Guerin: The X problem may be happening becouse of the HD too? |
| 11:32.51 | *** join/#debian sobersabre (~bilbo@l192-115-16-116.broadband.actcom.net.il) |
| 11:33.02 | Guerin | nse: anything's possible, |
| 11:33.03 | *** join/#debian th0re (~thore@83.243.140.5) |
| 11:33.05 | sobersabre | what's the best blocksize to dump a CDROM via dd ? |
| 11:33.09 | liable | nse: have you tried memtest? |
| 11:33.18 | *** join/#debian Gozar (~Gozar@x1-6-00-0d-87-5e-f7-f1.k282.webspeed.dk) |
| 11:33.21 | *** join/#debian mamas (~mamas@80-247-150-101.reverse.newskies.net) |
| 11:33.23 | EmleyMoor | sobersabre: I wouldn't bother |
| 11:33.31 | *** join/#debian Super_Cat_Frog (~bob@hostgw.t06603.adsl.telecomplete.net) |
| 11:33.37 | nse | liable: Never, what is the best way to do it? |
| 11:33.43 | EmleyMoor | (but don't bother mentioning it if you want to try) |
| 11:34.18 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - im running sarge, but im having problem resolving ip addresses. it works fine from my windows box. i have to ping a host to get its ip before i can connect using apt. any idea's? |
| 11:34.19 | liable | nse: install it, run it, apt-cache show memtest86+ |
| 11:34.22 | *** join/#debian maerz (~jon@adsl-ull-196-126.44-151.net24.it) |
| 11:35.10 | *** join/#debian nuix (~Peter@222.183.73.118) |
| 11:35.27 | *** join/#debian Xenguy (~gnu@xenarchy.ca) |
| 11:35.36 | petemc | Super_Cat_Frog: ive seen similar symptoms due to dodgy adsl/cable routers |
| 11:35.59 | Super_Cat_Frog | petemc - know of any workaround? |
| 11:36.02 | *** join/#debian czorg (~czorg@dra38-1-82-230-120-110.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 11:36.17 | petemc | Super_Cat_Frog: use different nameserver addresses in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:36.24 | *** join/#debian ftsac (~ac@222.253.79.198) |
| 11:36.33 | nse | liable: what is the command line to lauch it? |
| 11:36.38 | Super_Cat_Frog | petemc - i thought of that but i dont know the address of any name servers |
| 11:36.45 | petemc | Super_Cat_Frog: use your isps |
| 11:36.53 | Guerin | Super_Cat_Frog: 168.126.63.{1,2} |
| 11:37.02 | Super_Cat_Frog | ok thanks |
| 11:37.09 | nuix | who can tell me some mailservers which can be connected by ssh? |
| 11:37.23 | petemc | nuix: any, with ssh tunneling |
| 11:37.41 | nuix | petemc, yes |
| 11:37.48 | petemc | Super_Cat_Frog: ideally you would use nmaeservers that respond quickly |
| 11:37.52 | petemc | obviously |
| 11:38.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 819] by debhelper |
| 11:38.07 | liable | nse: you boot into it, have you checked your logs too, for anything obvious? btw, its best to leave it overnight. |
| 11:38.30 | nuix | petemc, do you know which server provides the service |
| 11:38.36 | *** join/#debian elirips (~elirips@84-72-114-221.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 11:38.41 | *** join/#debian chete (chete@edluis.usc.es) |
| 11:38.51 | petemc | nuix: as i said, any |
| 11:38.54 | *** join/#debian Sphair (~sphair-sp@213-187-176-18.dd.nextgentel.com) |
| 11:39.00 | bob2 | nuix: any that you can ssh to |
| 11:39.01 | *** join/#debian pureone (~pureone@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:2d9d) |
| 11:39.28 | Guerin | does he actually mean server box? |
| 11:39.29 | Guerin | like |
| 11:39.30 | nse | liable: you're meaning i have to reboot the system for the test comes up? |
| 11:39.31 | Guerin | shellhost? |
| 11:39.52 | nuix | petemc, but many servers shutdown the port 22 |
| 11:40.00 | *** join/#debian pmjdebruijn (~pmjdebrui@pmjdebruijn.xs4all.nl) |
| 11:40.01 | pmjdebruijn | lo all |
| 11:40.09 | liable | nse: yes, if you installed it with apt, then it should be a menu item, or you can use a live cd such as knoppix |
| 11:40.14 | *** join/#debian _Mook_ (~Mook@cm-net-poa-C8B0C56D.dynamic.brdterra.com.br) |
| 11:40.27 | Guerin | nuix: the servers which you can shell into are the ones that you either admin, or that you've begged, borrowed or stolen a shell on. |
| 11:40.30 | jethro | Guerin: otje http://www.cs.up.ac.za/cs/mslaviero/skey/index.php |
| 11:40.36 | pmjdebruijn | can anybody point me to a good guide on how to backport a package |
| 11:40.38 | Guerin | nuix: if you don't know any, then there aren't any for you. |
| 11:40.46 | _Mook_ | how to re-start "setup" (like first installation) in debian 3.1 ? |
| 11:40.48 | Super_Cat_Frog | petemc - thanks for that, its working now. HOOYA! i can get some work done |
| 11:40.51 | *** join/#debian BriajWrk (~BriajWrk@88.Red-80-25-53.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:40.54 | Guerin | _Mook_: reinstall. |
| 11:41.03 | BriajWrk | hi all |
| 11:41.09 | nse | liable: i did it trough apt-get, you're meaning a LILO item such as the normal debian and the recovery mode? |
| 11:41.20 | Guerin | !tell pmjdebruijn about simple sid backport |
| 11:41.36 | chete | hola como monto la imagen de mi particion hecha mediante dd |
| 11:41.37 | liable | nse: hmm, dunno about lilo, check the menu list for it. |
| 11:41.39 | _Mook_ | Guerin, command not found |
| 11:41.44 | Guerin | _Mook_: ... |
| 11:41.51 | *** join/#debian pusakat (xenos@203.167.88.65) |
| 11:42.02 | nuix | Guerin, there are no free mailserver which provides ssh service? |
| 11:42.04 | *** part/#debian fdv (1988@tyrfing.ifi.uio.no) |
| 11:42.04 | Guerin | _Mook_: you want to go back to a pristine system? Reinstall. Put the cd in your drive and reboot. |
| 11:42.09 | *** part/#debian Doc42 (~fp@pD95B6814.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:42.10 | Guerin | !free shell |
| 11:42.10 | dpkg | free shell is, like, telnet http://www.boston.ru |
| 11:42.24 | liable | _Mook_: maybe 'base-config' is what you're after |
| 11:42.28 | Guerin | !fgi nuix free+shell+host+unix |
| 11:42.29 | dpkg | nuix: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=free+shell+host+unix |
| 11:42.40 | _Mook_ | Guerin, I want to setup some things again .. for example .. video board .. etc |
| 11:42.53 | *** join/#debian leonel (~leonel@201.133.217.129) |
| 11:43.06 | *** join/#debian abrocadabro (~chris@falkor.anu.edu.au) |
| 11:43.09 | pmjdebruijn | Guerin, ah thanks |
| 11:43.32 | liable | !tell _Mook_ about drxx |
| 11:43.45 | Guerin | _Mook_: oh, ok. well, dpkg-reconfigure <packageyouwanttoreconfigure> |
| 11:43.54 | Guerin | pmjdebruijn: no wuckin' furries |
| 11:44.00 | _Mook_ | dpkg-reconfigure .. yes !!! thanks |
| 11:44.07 | Guerin | jethro: timeout |
| 11:44.09 | chete | hello can i mount py partion make with dd ?? |
| 11:44.09 | elirips | hello people. is it possible to create an image of my partition where my sarge-system is on? so in case that i have to reinstall i can simple copy that image to the partition again? |
| 11:44.10 | *** join/#debian Pooh22 (~simon@darla.ti-wmc.nl) |
| 11:44.13 | petemc | does bash_completion do intelligent completion of dpkg-reconfigure yet? |
| 11:44.21 | Guerin | chete: what? |
| 11:44.30 | Guerin | petemc: not on my box. |
| 11:44.31 | *** join/#debian MrJung (~DD@p5483B0A4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:44.33 | jethro | Guerin: you're unlucky. let me put this on my www |
| 11:44.45 | Guerin | jethro: I can proxify |
| 11:44.45 | chete | can i mount my partion / make wiyh the command dd |
| 11:44.49 | sep | elirips: man dd |
| 11:44.53 | jethro | Guerin: doo ieet :) |
| 11:45.07 | *** join/#debian _joey (~joey@60-240-221-24.tpgi.com.au) |
| 11:45.19 | *** join/#debian jor (~jor@2002:8259:e127:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 11:45.19 | Pooh22 | I've just upgraded to sarge and postfix is now quite broken w.r.t luser_relay? anyone got experience with this? |
| 11:45.20 | EmleyMoor | chete: Do you mean "can I mount a filesystem that is in a file"? |
| 11:45.20 | elirips | sep: thanks, now i know what to google for. |
| 11:45.24 | jethro | shell completion is a waste of memory. real men type fast |
| 11:45.24 | *** join/#debian az[a]zel (~damien@ppp902.adelaide.on.net.au) |
| 11:45.29 | jethro | :p |
| 11:45.31 | liable | _Mook_: as *root* |
| 11:45.42 | liable | doh |
| 11:45.44 | chete | sorry i dont speak eknglish very well |
| 11:45.45 | bob2 | "real (wo)men" make their shell type for them |
| 11:45.50 | chete | i spanish |
| 11:45.57 | jethro | bob2: heh |
| 11:46.03 | _Mook_ | oh ok |
| 11:46.09 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 11:46.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:46.26 | pmjdebruijn | Guerin, anyway thanks not how I remember it... a while back it did some backports too... totally different more manual |
| 11:47.02 | _joey | Guerin is crazy man :) |
| 11:47.08 | _joey | and is full of crap |
| 11:47.10 | *** join/#debian tombs (~tombs@h141156.upc-h.chello.nl) |
| 11:47.16 | _Mook_ | thanks a lot !! |
| 11:47.19 | _Mook_ | :)) |
| 11:47.22 | pmjdebruijn | back then I did it by downloading the sources manually... but I don't remember the build deb command |
| 11:47.34 | *** part/#debian chete (chete@edluis.usc.es) |
| 11:47.34 | Guerin | _joey: seems i am wrong... but perhaps not for long. |
| 11:47.41 | akbg | apt-source? |
| 11:47.45 | *** join/#debian rik (~rik@cpc2-rdng3-4-0-cust83.winn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 11:47.49 | akbg | no :> |
| 11:47.53 | *** part/#debian tombs (~tombs@h141156.upc-h.chello.nl) |
| 11:47.58 | _joey | Guerin go away troll |
| 11:48.03 | *** join/#debian Nr1 (~root@as32-57.qualitynet.net) |
| 11:48.05 | Guerin | _joey: thanks for your input. |
| 11:48.12 | _joey | yeah go away |
| 11:48.45 | Pooh22 | are there any postfix guru's here? |
| 11:48.58 | Guerin | Pooh22: there are some in #postfix |
| 11:49.06 | pmjdebruijn | dpkg-buildpackage maybe? |
| 11:49.12 | bob2 | you don't seem to have asked a question yet, aside from asking of "luser_relay" is broken |
| 11:49.28 | Pooh22 | Guerin: tnx! |
| 11:49.35 | Guerin | pmjdebruijn: debuild can also do them. |
| 11:50.30 | *** join/#debian Nr1 (~czarux@as32-57.qualitynet.net) |
| 11:50.55 | *** join/#debian opioid (~karl@pcp08896855pcs.hcksrd01.tn.comcast.net) |
| 11:50.59 | Nr1 | where can i find mplayer that is compatible with sarge |
| 11:50.59 | *** join/#debian Kamping_Kaise1 (~kaiser@202-136-104-198.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 11:51.12 | opioid | is it ok to install a kernel the normal way |
| 11:51.18 | Pooh22 | bob2: I use luser relay on an external server to forward e-mails to an internal server |
| 11:51.25 | opioid | i've installed the sources and am building a kernel manualy |
| 11:51.28 | opioid | is that bad ? |
| 11:51.28 | petemc | opioid: its your box.. |
| 11:51.29 | Pooh22 | that stopped working after upgrading |
| 11:51.29 | jm_ | Nr1: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 11:51.29 | liable | Nr1: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 11:51.30 | jethro | opioid: what do you call "the normal way" ? |
| 11:51.34 | bob2 | Pooh22: why don't you just use the normal relay directove? |
| 11:51.39 | Nr1 | ok |
| 11:51.46 | opioid | jethro: make dep && make clean bzImage && make modules modules_install |
| 11:51.49 | petemc | opioid: unless you start asking basic questions here, no one cares |
| 11:51.58 | jethro | opioid: you want make-kpkg, really |
| 11:52.04 | Pooh22 | I also have users that are on the remote server (maillists) |
| 11:52.19 | jethro | opioid: nobody does it your way nowadays, but uneducated people |
| 11:52.20 | liable | no reason why it shouldnt work though |
| 11:52.20 | rik | hello there. Realising that the machine I was about to host a site on was running mostly server tasks from testing, I changed the repositories to sarge, updated and then dist-upgraded with synaptic. I expected to see some packages downgraded, but that didn't happen. My question please is: has it worked? |
| 11:52.27 | petemc | jethro: thats not true |
| 11:52.45 | *** join/#debian tralala_ (~joro@213-240-222-118.1697593.ddns.cablebg.net) |
| 11:53.01 | bob2 | rik: no, apt will never ever automatically downgrade packages |
| 11:53.05 | *** part/#debian tralala (~joro@tralala.user) |
| 11:53.29 | bob2 | rik: you could play pinning games, but it's not guaranteed to work, and is a bit fiddly. 'man apt_preferences' if you want to try. |
| 11:53.52 | rik | bob2: do i need to start again then - i've heard going backwards in didributions can be hazardous to your sanity! |
| 11:55.13 | *** join/#debian PeTeRB (~me@80.232.209.146) |
| 11:55.25 | Pooh22 | bob2: I'll check the postfix documentation again, but I was hoping this was a known issue with upgrading... |
| 11:55.33 | useruser | what's all this about sid being unstable? |
| 11:55.36 | bob2 | it is, as google will tell you |
| 11:55.43 | Guerin | useruser: amazing, isn't it? |
| 11:56.19 | rik | bob2: I might try bootstrapping - I'd like to serve things in chroots anyway, so that was going to my next task. Thanks for the speedy answer! Enjoy your week! |
| 11:56.22 | useruser | Guerin: well i don't know yet - am running sid without a hitch at the moment |
| 11:56.29 | EmleyMoor | "sid" is, by definition, unstable |
| 11:56.31 | Guerin | useruser: for how long? |
| 11:56.35 | useruser | Guerin: ages |
| 11:56.39 | EmleyMoor | A hitch will come - you mark my words! |
| 11:56.44 | Guerin | so a couple months, then. |
| 11:56.51 | useruser | Guerin: at least 12 |
| 11:57.23 | Guerin | useruser: lucky for you. It does break, you might just not have any busted packages installed. |
| 11:57.27 | useruser | Guerin: i was wondering if the /topic was referring to anything in particular... |
| 11:57.40 | Guerin | nothin really core like kernel or pam or X has broken badly for a while. |
| 11:57.55 | DimmuR | I'm trying to install Warcraft 3 in cedega but after "cedega Install.exe" i only get error: screenstack :: realize(); BitBit 2 any ideas? |
| 11:57.58 | useruser | Guerin: well i use apt-listbugs |
| 11:58.00 | liable | gnome, I think was what that was about. |
| 11:58.04 | petemc | there was some breakage after sarge released |
| 11:58.19 | *** join/#debian wintix (~wintix@p5498BDE9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:58.20 | Guerin | useruser: yeah, for 6 months or so it's been relatively calm because of sarge - then after the release, gnome and some other stuff broke horribly. |
| 11:58.28 | useruser | Guerin: ah, ok |
| 11:58.30 | Guerin | but as I said ... nothing important. |
| 11:58.31 | bob2 | useruser: the topic is refering to the mass uploads of new shit that happened after sarge |
| 11:59.06 | useruser | bob2: i see. guess i should wait a bit before my next upgrade then |
| 11:59.09 | Guerin | DimmuR: how is the interactions of two pieces of proprietary software the concern of #debian? |
| 11:59.39 | opioid | is 1.3 woody or sarge ? |
| 11:59.45 | Guerin | neither |
| 11:59.46 | useruser | opioid: no |
| 11:59.59 | sep | bo! |
| 12:00.00 | *** join/#debian raf256 (~raf256@ip-2-66.gemini.net.pl) |
| 12:00.03 | DimmuR | Guerin: i'm trying it in debian |
| 12:00.20 | Guerin | DimmuR: doesn't matter. |
| 12:00.23 | opioid | useruser: neither ? |
| 12:00.34 | Guerin | DimmuR: you paid for cedega: go ask transgaming for support. |
| 12:00.35 | sep | 1.3 = Bo |
| 12:00.35 | bob2 | debian 1.3 is from 5000 years ago |
| 12:00.40 | useruser | opioid: precisely. 1.3 is prehistoric |
| 12:00.42 | Guerin | you DID pay for cedega, dintcha? |
| 12:00.58 | opioid | Linux debianbook 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:01.00 | resiak | DimmuR: Right, and I've been arrested for my deviant pornographic habits, I viewed it on Debian, IT'S DEBIAN'S FAULT! |
| 12:01.04 | sep | bob2 : 1997 is 5000 years ago ? |
| 12:01.12 | Guerin | opioid: looks like 3.1 to me |
| 12:01.15 | *** join/#debian SiliconViper (~siliconvi@d205-250-111-241.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 12:01.16 | EmleyMoor | sep2: In computer years, yes |
| 12:01.17 | opioid | lol |
| 12:01.22 | opioid | Guerin: so which is that ? |
| 12:01.27 | Guerin | opioid: sarge. |
| 12:01.31 | opioid | thanks ;) |
| 12:01.32 | liable | jsi?? jamaica mon? |
| 12:01.36 | *** join/#debian asw (~asw@mcb1013.mcb.harvard.edu) |
| 12:02.03 | liable | *t |
| 12:02.49 | DimmuR | Guerin: actually i have compilled my own cedega from cvs so i dont have support but i understand my fault |
| 12:02.52 | pikeman | !!! |
| 12:02.53 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 12:03.09 | resiak | DimmuR: You do also realise that Cedega is not perfect, right? |
| 12:03.10 | Guerin | jethro: s/key is 1337. one-time pad for ssh. |
| 12:03.19 | Guerin | particularly cedega cvs |
| 12:04.23 | DimmuR | resiak: yes i realise - but it's the first time when even installator doesn't start - from english version i can run instalator, from polish version cant but nvm |
| 12:04.40 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good channel for dosemu support? |
| 12:05.35 | *** join/#debian Pingu12- (~Disney@e178243082.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 12:05.49 | tralala | EmleyMoor: what do google and dosemu project pages say about it? |
| 12:06.12 | *** join/#debian leonel (~leonel@201.133.217.129) |
| 12:06.14 | resiak | DimmuR: See, here's the thing: _It's_ _not_ _perfect_. |
| 12:06.20 | resiak | Guerin: Shout at Google! |
| 12:06.25 | *** join/#debian Kane32 (~jojo@p549B0367.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:06.30 | jm_ | Guerin: route planners and such? |
| 12:06.32 | EmleyMoor | tralala: There's nothing "online" |
| 12:06.39 | *** join/#debian NightHawk (~Mark@bhg107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 12:07.05 | star007 | does it give any route planners for linux? (for germany) |
| 12:07.10 | NightHawk | hi all :) |
| 12:07.17 | DimmuR | resiak: don't think i didnt try google first... but your explanation is perfect - easy to say "something isnt perfect" :] |
| 12:07.52 | sobersabre | how can i know scsi disk's size ? |
| 12:07.52 | resiak | DimmuR: Heh. |
| 12:07.55 | sep | DimmuR: well it's rather hard for us to support something that is not includedn in debian, go |
| 12:07.55 | resiak | *gone* |
| 12:08.05 | jm_ | star007: there are on-line route planners |
| 12:08.09 | tralala | Guerin: google satellite maps cover europe and asia, but I'm not sure how convinient they would be for navigation |
| 12:08.11 | opioid | anyone use madwifi ? |
| 12:08.33 | liable | opioid: yes, i'm sure. |
| 12:08.51 | liable | opioid: the problem is? |
| 12:08.56 | tralala | opioid: hundreds if not thousends of people |
| 12:08.57 | opioid | well, i've installed madwifi-source and madwifi-tools packages, but now i dont know how to get the module installed |
| 12:09.08 | star007 | you ever use an online route-planner without dsl? |
| 12:09.22 | liable | opioid: its a very simple make, make install, read the readme |
| 12:09.35 | jm_ | yes, I have used it with my wireless connection, does that count? |
| 12:09.41 | Guerin | tralala: i need roads between major cities, river and border crossings at a minimum. |
| 12:09.46 | Guerin | jm_: yeah. |
| 12:09.55 | *** join/#debian Robinho_Peixoto (~preview@200.128.80.254) |
| 12:10.09 | jm_ | Guerin: michelin has one, so does RAC, there's also reiseplannung.de |
| 12:10.11 | star007 | i think with only a isdn connection online route planners are very slow |
| 12:10.36 | Guerin | jm_: yeah, I looked at the michelin one, but it seems to be oop. |
| 12:11.01 | tralala | opioid: if madwifi-source is kernel modules you will want to try module-assistant probably |
| 12:11.34 | *** join/#debian Tuxico (~tuxico@115.23-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 12:12.38 | Trewas | Guerin: map24.com has maps and route planner at least for europe |
| 12:13.28 | *** join/#debian mortum (~mortum@84.232.61.49) |
| 12:13.48 | Guerin | oh, i'm remembering the MS routeplanner which did north norway -> south norway via copenhagen, amsterdam and london |
| 12:13.53 | Guerin | that was funneh |
| 12:14.31 | jm_ | sometimes it's easy for that to happen because you have cities with the same name in several countries, and I guess it picked a wrong one ;) |
| 12:14.53 | sobersabre | if i want to replace all long whitespaces with sed do i 's/[ ,\t]+/ /g' ? |
| 12:15.00 | sobersabre | into 1 space bar |
| 12:15.03 | sobersabre | ... or : |
| 12:15.17 | shuning | s/\s+//g ? |
| 12:15.37 | sobersabre | thanks |
| 12:15.53 | shuning | oh 1 space, s/\s+/\s/g maybe |
| 12:16.33 | bob2 | you can't use char groups on the rhs |
| 12:16.37 | *** join/#debian jayparadise (~james@cpe-024-211-050-039.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 12:16.39 | bob2 | s/\s+/ /g |
| 12:16.43 | bob2 | modulo escaping |
| 12:16.57 | blutengel_ | [:space:] |
| 12:17.36 | *** join/#debian DeeJay (~deejay@p54AC6CCD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:17.46 | tralala | jm_: a system that uses names as identifiers... if you have one ask your money back |
| 12:17.48 | jm_ | and \s is what you would write in perl |
| 12:17.52 | shuning | haw ok, silly me |
| 12:17.58 | *** join/#debian hingwah (~hingwah@221.127.236.254) |
| 12:18.01 | shuning | thanks bob |
| 12:18.14 | *** join/#debian hunter86 (~hunter86@221.233.149.254) |
| 12:18.47 | elirips | i am just about going to reinstall my system. i made a copy of /etc and i am going to delete all the .*-files in my $home (i want a clean sarge-only, at the moment i got a mix of sid and sarge). is that all i need, or did i forget something important? |
| 12:19.30 | jm_ | elirips: restoring your old /etc won't give you a lean system |
| 12:19.34 | jm_ | clean |
| 12:19.54 | sobersabre | bob2, no goooood |
| 12:19.55 | *** join/#debian stouset (~stephen@adsl-211-163-36.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 12:20.03 | *** join/#debian dob1 (~dob@host226-160.pool8248.interbusiness.it) |
| 12:20.13 | sobersabre | no change. |
| 12:20.16 | *** join/#debian djace (~djace@djace.user) |
| 12:20.17 | *** join/#debian _Mook_ (~Mook@cm-net-poa-C8B0C56D.dynamic.brdterra.com.br) |
| 12:20.26 | *** join/#debian insulae (~insulae@host129.200-45-229.telecom.net.ar) |
| 12:20.38 | _Mook_ | is it nForce2 400 chipset compatible with linux debian 3.1 ? |
| 12:21.05 | *** join/#debian Mayhem (~Mayhem@dsl-202-173-156-152.vic.westnet.com.au) |
| 12:21.08 | jm_ | sobersabre: 's/[[:space:]]\+/ /g' |
| 12:21.19 | elirips | jm_: no, i just copyied it in case i dont get the right xf86, samba, etc settings. so that i can have a look what i had before, and dont have to re-google everything again. |
| 12:21.20 | DeeJay | _Mook_: yea |
| 12:21.28 | jm_ | elirips: right |
| 12:21.28 | opioid | ok, i did a make-kpkg --added-modules madwifi kernel_image to do it |
| 12:21.33 | opioid | describe on a webpage |
| 12:21.40 | opioid | sortof ;) |
| 12:22.05 | dob1 | there is some options with "dpkg -i" like "apt-get --no-act" to simule the installation of a package without installing it? |
| 12:22.13 | tralala | opioid: how about the module-assistant? |
| 12:22.16 | jm_ | elirips: make sure you end up with at least some dot files in ~ (you could copy them from /etc/skel) |
| 12:22.36 | tralala | dob1: yes, there is |
| 12:22.42 | jm_ | dob1: did you read man dpkg? |
| 12:22.50 | dob1 | yes don't find it |
| 12:22.59 | *** join/#debian plener (~plener@dialup-4.237.86.240.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) |
| 12:23.02 | jm_ | ehh? read it again |
| 12:23.18 | tralala | dob1: it is there. |
| 12:23.37 | sobersabre | jm_, I HAVE A deja vu. |
| 12:23.57 | *** join/#debian greycat (rfc1413@wooledge.org) |
| 12:24.01 | _Mook_ | DeeJay, I have Asus a7n8x-x. When I setting Xserver-Xree86, what controller X-server I need choice ? (have VESA, SIS, S3Virge, etc etc ) |
| 12:24.14 | elirips | jm_: what are these for? aren't they created automatically by the sarge installer (thought that i will format all partitions except home while installing). |
| 12:24.16 | greycat | _Mook_: probably nv |
| 12:24.19 | jim | elirips: when I back up I normally back each partition into a tarball... you would also need rescue media that supports your filesystems and has a copy of tar and possibly a compressor (altho compression is not a good idea for backups) |
| 12:24.23 | REds | _Mook_, ye the nforce2 400 and ultra is well supported |
| 12:24.32 | _Mook_ | oh ok |
| 12:24.32 | DeeJay | mook like your vga |
| 12:24.37 | *** join/#debian PeTeRB (~me@80.232.209.146) |
| 12:24.38 | _Mook_ | thank you very much |
| 12:24.41 | REds | _Mook_, like well well |
| 12:24.41 | REds | nps |
| 12:25.06 | jm_ | elirips: man useradd, see -m swithc |
| 12:25.15 | dob1 | sorry found it, it's always --no-act :) |
| 12:25.21 | plener | test--am i getting through--second attempt |
| 12:25.23 | powerson_school | hi~ |
| 12:25.23 | *** join/#debian xoz (~xoz@p1108-ipad204souka.saitama.ocn.ne.jp) |
| 12:25.24 | _Mook_ | greycat, thanks |
| 12:25.36 | *** join/#debian jharrisonwk (~jharrison@a24-244-140-15.maxil.com) |
| 12:25.38 | REds | _Mook_, well u can actually install the nvidia or ati drivers, they have an installer u can download or u can use like svga for example |
| 12:25.45 | *** join/#debian terrex (~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com) |
| 12:25.49 | liable | plener: yes |
| 12:25.59 | elirips | jim: hm, i thought i can simply install the base-system and then mount my home-partition again. no good idea to do so? |
| 12:26.03 | plener | great!! thaksa for the help |
| 12:26.12 | jim | elirips: you could do that too |
| 12:26.18 | REds | i use the standard ones in xfree86 for ati or download the ones from nvidia.com for the nvidia nforce cards |
| 12:26.21 | *** join/#debian Cordovan (~cordovan@193.171.235.61) |
| 12:26.25 | Cordovan | moin |
| 12:26.41 | jim | elirips: what I'm saying is not a good idea, is to compress the tarball backups |
| 12:26.56 | *** join/#debian yazid_work (~andrew@fenris.iehk.RWTH-Aachen.DE) |
| 12:27.25 | jim | because guess what happens if the file gets corrupted and decompression fails? :) |
| 12:28.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 832] by debhelper |
| 12:28.22 | elirips | jim: well, that's right. guess i create a tarball first and copy it to another machine on my network. just in case something goes wrong.. |
| 12:28.25 | powerson_school | where is w32codec obtain for amd64? |
| 12:28.26 | *** part/#debian stouset (~stephen@adsl-211-163-36.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 12:28.43 | jim | elirips: but sure, reinstall is fine if (a) you have to for some reason or (b) you're learning how to install |
| 12:28.45 | jm_ | powerson_school: do they exist in Windows? |
| 12:28.57 | *** join/#debian incorrect (~fwest@213.86.197.1) |
| 12:29.03 | *** join/#debian zjack_ (~zjack_@41-94.dial.data.net.uk) |
| 12:29.06 | bob2 | powerson_school: good luck having an amd64 binary of mplayer load 32-bit windows dlls at runtime |
| 12:29.07 | powerson_school | no. |
| 12:29.12 | incorrect | is there a tool for drawing network diagrams? |
| 12:29.14 | _Mook_ | REds, I am using video on-board, will woks ? |
| 12:29.20 | _Mook_ | works |
| 12:29.24 | powerson_school | in linux |
| 12:29.37 | REds | what video card _Mook_ |
| 12:29.40 | yazid_work | incorrect: tkined |
| 12:29.52 | elirips | jim: during the last weeks i was in a hurry at university and installed all kind (from sid, compiled by source, ..) of things i just needed once. now everything is a little bit "messed up". guess its easier to reinstall than trying to remove what i corrupted. |
| 12:30.00 | _Mook_ | REds, well .. came with motherboard |
| 12:30.05 | sep | incorrect: you could use dia, or kivio |
| 12:30.20 | elirips | (and its windows-reinstall time anyway too once again :P) |
| 12:30.48 | REds | _Mook_, ye but is it a nvidia video card then _Mook_ , or do this command 'lspci -v' and check |
| 12:30.54 | pikeman | windows do not need reinstall... it needs a hammer |
| 12:30.57 | powerson_school | bob2// i installed w32codec for 32-bit, but it isn't operation. |
| 12:31.01 | _Mook_ | REds, North Bridge: NVIDIA® nForce2 400 |
| 12:31.02 | _Mook_ | South Bridge: NVIDIA® nForce2 MCP |
| 12:31.04 | saloxin_ | any nice way to verify sarge dvd's? md5sums anywhere? |
| 12:31.06 | bob2 | powerson_school: indeed |
| 12:31.15 | bob2 | powerson_school: try running mplayer in a 32-bit chroot |
| 12:31.15 | *** join/#debian gazza (~andrea@host-84-220-117-154.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 12:31.22 | gazza | hi all |
| 12:31.30 | bob2 | or use the i386 version of Debian |
| 12:31.30 | powerson_school | um.. |
| 12:31.44 | pikeman | bob2, nice ^_^ |
| 12:31.49 | gazza | anyone knows whwre i can find dc_gui guide? |
| 12:31.52 | pikeman | 386 is the best |
| 12:31.58 | pikeman | classicial |
| 12:31.58 | DeeJay | _Mook_: u have an agp card not an on board |
| 12:32.07 | jim | elirips: ok, well, sure, you can indeed just reinstall... later, when you start making backups (better sooner than later), make sure you can restore them |
| 12:32.11 | yazid_work | I wonder whether there is a possibility of thunking between 32bit and 64bit executable images? |
| 12:32.27 | powerson_school | bob2// i am using debian-pure64 ports. |
| 12:32.30 | REds | ye i dont think thats an onboard card _Mook_ |
| 12:32.36 | jim | pikeman: s/best/worst/ :) but it does work... |
| 12:32.37 | bob2 | powerson_school: that's awesome |
| 12:32.39 | pikeman | because gcc's optimize skills... |
| 12:32.45 | bob2 | powerson_school: if you care about binary-only crap, use i386 |
| 12:32.46 | jim | that's true too |
| 12:32.47 | bob2 | or make a chroot |
| 12:33.05 | DeeJay | it has no onboard vga , was looking on asus.com |
| 12:33.14 | _Mook_ | REds, I dont know much about hardware .. but I think that is video onboard "http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=A7N8X-X&langs=01" |
| 12:33.16 | pikeman | intel cc is the best 686+ compiler |
| 12:33.33 | pikeman | so... fall back |
| 12:33.38 | powerson_school | bob2// ^^ |
| 12:33.50 | elirips | jim: yesh, i thought when i have finished this installation so that everything is working fine again, i'll create a backup of the root-partition. |
| 12:34.04 | pikeman | where to buy amd's fake64 compiler? |
| 12:34.12 | REds | if its the a7n8x then it doesnt have onboard video _Mook_ cause i have that mainboard |
| 12:34.29 | pikeman | 'real' optimized compiler |
| 12:34.31 | bob2 | "fake64"? you're pathetic, dude. |
| 12:34.42 | yazid_work | if there is one thing that pisses off by being non free, it is compilers |
| 12:34.48 | pikeman | oh,sorry... maybe amd64 |
| 12:34.51 | _Mook_ | REds, Well .. I need find what video board I had |
| 12:35.08 | jim | pikeman: are you saying good things or bad things about gcc? I can't tell which :) |
| 12:35.12 | pikeman | (silly) my [tab] key |
| 12:35.16 | REds | lspci -v should show u _Mook_ if u read the whole output or 'lspci -v | more' |
| 12:35.25 | _Mook_ | ok, thanks |
| 12:35.26 | powerson_school | bob2// i try installed w32codec that fedora distributed. |
| 12:35.31 | _Mook_ | let me try .. other computer |
| 12:35.40 | *** join/#debian moty66 (~Proprieta@host82-8.pool80181.interbusiness.it) |
| 12:35.43 | powerson_school | for x86_64. but it is failed. |
| 12:35.59 | *** join/#debian Eulex (~alex@h31n1fls33o998.telia.com) |
| 12:36.05 | powerson_school | i gloomy. |
| 12:36.07 | pikeman | jim, if I could... |
| 12:36.15 | *** join/#debian chealer (chealer@ip216-239-89-39.vif.net) |
| 12:36.16 | pikeman | (in english) |
| 12:37.39 | *** join/#debian pureone (~pureone@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:2d9d) |
| 12:37.54 | *** join/#debian staniel (~Dan@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:2717) |
| 12:37.59 | Eulex | still got the problem with the cd/dvd drive... strange thing is that it works in kernel 2.4.27, but not in the debian stock 2.6.11 kernel and not in my custom 2.6.12.1 kernel... and there is no trace anywhere of it when using those two 2.6 kernels |
| 12:38.19 | moty66 | hello, after upgrading sendmail bu apt-get dist-upgrade to version (8.13.4) i have lost my old configuration , and now I have this error in the log file " Relaying denied. Proper authentication required. any idea ? |
| 12:38.43 | Eulex | 2.4.27 detects it as a sony dvd+/-rw dw-d56a |
| 12:38.53 | jim | is that what it is? |
| 12:38.58 | Guerin | moty66: restore your config from backups? |
| 12:39.02 | yazid_work | Eulex: is there ide-scsi loaded (as was customary with 2.4.x kernels)? |
| 12:39.11 | Guerin | moty66: debian doesn't overwrite configs unless you tell it to. |
| 12:39.19 | Eulex | jim: I think so... at least it works ok |
| 12:39.40 | moty66 | Guerin, yes, it is my error and i dont have anymore the old conf file |
| 12:39.41 | jim | Eulex: what driver is being used to talk to the controller? |
| 12:39.47 | *** join/#debian ivan (~zzZZzz@203-217-76-141.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 12:39.50 | Eulex | yazid_work, I dunno... |
| 12:39.53 | Guerin | moty66: it really does suck to be you. |
| 12:40.00 | Eulex | jim: how do I check that? |
| 12:40.11 | jim | lsmod |
| 12:40.13 | *** part/#debian te0x (~te0x@81.208.74.2) |
| 12:40.14 | *** join/#debian davi_alencar (atIhp@201009153036.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 12:40.16 | jim | look around that listing |
| 12:40.21 | yazid_work | Eulex: look in /proc/scsi/scsi whether your drive hides there... |
| 12:40.21 | moty66 | Guerin, all what i need is to set back the smtp authentication :( |
| 12:40.22 | Eulex | jim: oh, ok |
| 12:40.23 | jim | lspci |
| 12:40.26 | jim | look there too |
| 12:40.36 | Guerin | moty66: i don't know how to do that in sendmail. |
| 12:40.39 | jim | see what gives :) |
| 12:40.42 | *** join/#debian vorsprung (~vorsprung@host83-217-165-95.dsl.vispa.com) |
| 12:40.42 | *** join/#debian possie (~possie@a80-126-64-73.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 12:40.49 | moty66 | Guerin, thanks anyway ! |
| 12:40.53 | *** part/#debian davi_alencar (atIhp@201009153036.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 12:41.32 | jm_ | moty66: try /msg dpkg smtp auth |
| 12:41.35 | *** join/#debian aisotton (~aisotton@80-218-73-203.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 12:42.22 | jim | it could be that the driver it decided to load into the initrd image supports your HD (so you can mount /) but not your writer... it could be as simple as loading an existing driver that's not otherwise loaded |
| 12:42.35 | Eulex | lspci lists "0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 03)". the hd is also scsi (and it's working ok) |
| 12:42.40 | Eulex | jim: ok |
| 12:43.15 | jim | or as complex as locating source of a module that compiles for your kernel and needs the kernel headers in order to build |
| 12:43.17 | Eulex | to check the driver that 2.4 uses, I'd have to reboot, so I'll check /proc/scsi/scsi first |
| 12:44.18 | jim | I'm not an expert here, you can ask anyone when you get back for more detailed help; I'm more familiar with problem locating and solving skills in general |
| 12:44.27 | jm_ | :) |
| 12:44.30 | jm_ | sicco! |
| 12:44.34 | Eulex | yazid_work, /proc/scsi/scsi only lists my hd |
| 12:44.41 | jim | yes, I am :P |
| 12:44.48 | kuene | are there volatile packages for sarge right now? such as spamassasin, amavis, clam-av? or has the volatile concept been dropped? |
| 12:45.06 | yazid_work | Eulex: what is in /proc/ide/hdX/model ? (X=a,b,c,d) |
| 12:45.49 | *** join/#debian Karhuton (~timo@YYYMCCXXXVII.dsl.saunalahti.fi) |
| 12:46.04 | Eulex | yazid_work, it doesn't exist, I have to hdX devices on this machine, it's pure scsi |
| 12:46.08 | Eulex | *no |
| 12:46.12 | moty66 | Guerin, i am restoring all the etc/mail file :) |
| 12:46.24 | jim | he's a sicco she's a sicco, we're a sicco they're a sicco, wouldn't you like to be a sicco too |
| 12:46.31 | tarzeau | !sicco |
| 12:46.32 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 12:46.47 | yazid_work | Eulex: <confused> devfs, or did you manually delete something from /dev? |
| 12:46.55 | vezult | kuene: looks like just clamav and whois ATM |
| 12:47.24 | kuene | vezult, is this documented some where? |
| 12:47.26 | tarzeau | what command line too do i have to form decimal numbers into roman? numbers say 9 -> IX and the other way around? |
| 12:47.27 | jharrisonwk | any way to see what mainboard make and model from within linux? |
| 12:47.40 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: hwinfo |
| 12:47.41 | vezult | kuene: try volatile.debian.net |
| 12:47.47 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sweet |
| 12:47.49 | *** join/#debian xbuf (~Sully-@81-179-80-110.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 12:48.00 | kuene | vezult, thanks ;) |
| 12:48.14 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: and also dumping/strings roms, www.linuks.mine.nu/ree/ |
| 12:48.19 | *** join/#debian andrewtaylor_ (~andrewtay@li11-10.members.linode.com) |
| 12:48.26 | *** join/#debian PeTeRB_ (~me@80.232.209.146) |
| 12:48.32 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: hwinfo command not found |
| 12:48.33 | Eulex | yazid_work, I didn't touch anything in /dev, it's there and has a lot of stuff in it, including sda and sda1-6, though it doesn't have hdX |
| 12:48.36 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I read link |
| 12:49.00 | paulswm | jharrisonwk: well you have to install the package, apt-cache show hwinfo |
| 12:49.01 | andrewtaylor_ | hi, i'm trying to get ruby up and running on Debian, does anyone know of a good how-to, the instructions I have are a little lacking once you get passed the 'apt-get' stage |
| 12:49.08 | *** join/#debian membrive (~membrive@membrive.user) |
| 12:49.09 | ralf | i'm building the svn xorg |
| 12:49.16 | ralf | anyone has tryed it before? |
| 12:49.18 | jharrisonwk | paulswm: redhat 9 box |
| 12:49.18 | *** join/#debian tobs (~tobz@ip68-9-229-234.ri.ri.cox.net) |
| 12:49.24 | *** join/#debian CQ (~chatzilla@193.149.57.65) |
| 12:49.25 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: GO. AWAY. |
| 12:49.27 | jharrisonwk | paulswm: would like to apt-cache but cannot |
| 12:49.37 | paulswm | jharrisonwk: oh, sorry, I assumed it was debian. |
| 12:49.41 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: not my fault its running redhat 9 |
| 12:49.41 | tobs | Which config file does snmpd/testing use by default? /var/lib/snmp/snmpd.conf or /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf? |
| 12:49.47 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: not my fault either |
| 12:49.56 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: nor anyone's in #debian |
| 12:50.00 | tarzeau | !they don't know |
| 12:50.01 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 12:50.22 | tobs | amen. |
| 12:50.24 | jim | let's molest EUROPE then! YOW! |
| 12:50.35 | tobs | :P |
| 12:50.45 | Eulex | anyway, I'll reboot and check what drivers 2.4 uses... be back later |
| 12:50.52 | jm_ | tobs: see how it gets started |
| 12:51.04 | tarzeau | jim: heh |
| 12:51.07 | tobs | hmm, what's the program for tracing.. strace? |
| 12:51.10 | intension | haha ...jim... |
| 12:51.15 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/RockyMtnOyster.htm |
| 12:51.22 | *** join/#debian HolyGoat (~foo@webmen.demon.nl) |
| 12:51.28 | jm_ | strace will help, but I was thinking you should just check its init script |
| 12:51.34 | tarzeau | tobs: there's also traceroute and ltrace |
| 12:51.46 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: awww food |
| 12:51.48 | tobs | ahh /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf |
| 12:51.49 | jim | YOW! Creating random zippyizms is FUN! |
| 12:51.52 | tobs | btw that was a good idea |
| 12:51.53 | tobs | ;p |
| 12:51.53 | HolyGoat | Is there any preference on what people would choose to run Debian on in regard to CPU if you had a choice between opteron or xeon processors? |
| 12:52.00 | pikeman | x_x |
| 12:52.02 | yazid_work | tobs: strace is a system call (kernel level) tracer, ltrace is for library calls and does not always work, traceroute is for tracing tcp/ip routes |
| 12:52.14 | tarzeau | HolyGoat: how much money can you save on one or another? |
| 12:52.17 | *** join/#debian matiasV (~matias@atlrel1.hp.com) |
| 12:52.19 | tarzeau | HolyGoat: do you get the savings in cash? |
| 12:52.24 | HolyGoat | tarzeau: There's hardly a difference :) |
| 12:52.25 | *** join/#debian _h0bbel (h0bbel@213-187-177-58.dd.nextgentel.com) |
| 12:52.35 | HolyGoat | No, not a money issue. |
| 12:52.40 | tarzeau | HolyGoat: i'd take the cheaper and buy as much as ice cream as possible |
| 12:52.41 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: testicles too |
| 12:52.44 | HolyGoat | Just wondering what's better / what has better kernel support |
| 12:53.01 | jm_ | HolyGoat: why don't you just read some reviews instead of asking here? |
| 12:53.04 | tarzeau | HolyGoat: better to do what? heat the room? |
| 12:53.08 | *** join/#debian tralala (~joro@tralala.user) |
| 12:53.29 | *** join/#debian Super_Cat_Frog (~bob@hostgw.t06603.adsl.telecomplete.net) |
| 12:53.44 | pikeman | HolyGoat, cpu + shipset ... maybe intel is better |
| 12:53.58 | *** join/#debian wxFoo (~zxc@OL94-156.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 12:54.06 | pikeman | s/shipset/chipset/ |
| 12:54.25 | tarzeau | HolyGoat: mac os x hardware looks best in the living room |
| 12:54.34 | xoz | !better |
| 12:54.35 | dpkg | it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 12:54.42 | pikeman | tarzeau, just looking |
| 12:54.53 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - i was here before, and somebody gave me a link to a dns server, and ive lost it because of dhcp, does anybody keep a log of this channel? |
| 12:54.54 | pikeman | tarzeau, crap inside |
| 12:55.05 | *** join/#debian vpalle (~vpalle@park222.koll.au.dk) |
| 12:55.20 | vorsprung | operton probably has better bangs per buck |
| 12:55.41 | pikeman | tarzeau, crap intel inside now |
| 12:55.43 | vorsprung | but that's judgement you'd have to make for a particular machine |
| 12:56.02 | *** join/#debian Pryon (~Pryon@24-177-210-39.dhcp.almg.nm.charter.com) |
| 12:56.36 | pikeman | vorsprung, me too,because I don't what computer is |
| 12:56.44 | *** join/#debian donny (~bing@238.6.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 12:56.45 | pikeman | know |
| 12:56.55 | Super_Cat_Frog | doesn't matter |
| 12:57.03 | *** join/#debian buerste (~andi@p548A86ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:57.07 | *** join/#debian migma (migma@210.213.250.32) |
| 12:57.35 | vorsprung | heh |
| 12:57.51 | *** join/#debian wintix (~wintix@p5498BDE9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:58.14 | wintix | how do i get the size of an image with convert? |
| 12:58.20 | tarzeau | wintix: feh -l shows it |
| 12:58.31 | *** join/#debian rss (~ravi@61.246.58.105) |
| 12:58.32 | jm_ | wintix: tried using identify instead? |
| 12:58.40 | greycat | wintix: identify |
| 12:58.57 | wintix | thx. will try it. |
| 12:59.27 | *** join/#debian iNsane (~Xx_GirL@81.213.201.24) |
| 12:59.27 | *** join/#debian netcraft_ (~netcraft@netcraft.user) |
| 12:59.31 | rss | Hi, how to install truetype fonts the new way... I just read that with fontconfig it is very easy... |
| 12:59.41 | jm_ | rss: stick them in ~/.fonts |
| 12:59.49 | rss | for all the users? |
| 13:00.16 | wintix | is it possible to reduce the output to just e.g. 600x400 or so? |
| 13:00.20 | jm_ | well that's per-user option, /usr/share/fonts for system-wide solution |
| 13:00.49 | rss | you mean I could just copy fonts to that directory? |
| 13:01.08 | jm_ | no, I would create a new directory in there and copy them to this new dir |
| 13:01.28 | rss | previously I had to mkfontsdir and all |
| 13:01.31 | rss | ok |
| 13:01.40 | *** join/#debian sh4dowcat (shadowcat@c-335f70d5.033-47-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 13:01.48 | *** join/#debian DaGo (~ieee@85-48-67-226.mad1.adsl.uni2.es) |
| 13:01.56 | *** part/#debian andrewtaylor_ (~andrewtay@li11-10.members.linode.com) |
| 13:02.42 | *** part/#debian pikeman (~rr00tt@218-160-78-117.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 13:02.52 | *** join/#debian Moadib- (~Moadibb@pD953E430.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:02.54 | *** join/#debian Super_Cat_Frog (~root@hostgw.t06603.adsl.telecomplete.net) |
| 13:03.22 | jm_ | or eve /usr/local/share/fonts - maybe that's a better option |
| 13:03.25 | jm_ | even* |
| 13:04.07 | rss | I thought /usr/share/fonts was the font directory |
| 13:04.19 | jm_ | why don't you read abotu fontconfig |
| 13:04.24 | rss | ok |
| 13:04.47 | *** join/#debian dfgsdfgdsfg (~xcvxcvx@200.80.231.196) |
| 13:05.32 | zaikxtox | hello. is there some way to get gnome 2.10 on debian sarge? i tryed garnome, but the resulting compiled thing does not work... |
| 13:05.48 | *** join/#debian dfadel (~dfadel@helium.prodar.com.br) |
| 13:05.52 | *** part/#debian dfadel (~dfadel@helium.prodar.com.br) |
| 13:05.59 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://sam.zoy.org/fun/goatse/goatv.jpg |
| 13:06.07 | *** join/#debian SamBC (~sdb@thelabyrinth.force9.co.uk) |
| 13:06.17 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i warn you if it's not work safe |
| 13:06.21 | rss | zaikxtox, did you check apt-get.org for unofficial repositories? |
| 13:06.34 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: DIE! DIE! DIE! |
| 13:06.38 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: hehe |
| 13:07.27 | raf256 | what was that name of Java IRC bot you recommended me? |
| 13:08.09 | jm_ | that must have been ricky_clarkson |
| 13:08.30 | yazid_work | jharrisonwk: lol... whoever assumes something with "goatse" in it to be work safe has not been into the FOSS scene long |
| 13:08.36 | rss | dump Java... go for blootbot |
| 13:08.57 | *** join/#debian vinsci|2 (~vinsci@dhcp-248-30.nomad.chalmers.se) |
| 13:09.08 | *** join/#debian tekkah (~tekk@209.213.64.215) |
| 13:09.19 | *** join/#debian nemozny (~nemozny@kolc350a.vsb.cz) |
| 13:09.55 | zaikxtox | thanks rss! that looks really good : |
| 13:09.56 | zaikxtox | :) |
| 13:10.01 | *** join/#debian omniscient (~omni@d211-31-230-97.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 13:10.05 | *** join/#debian xiao (~halcyon@th100064.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) |
| 13:10.18 | *** join/#debian abrotman (~abrotman@ip67-93-222-40.z222-93-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 13:10.35 | *** join/#debian rocky23 (~rocky23@ideanat.ideagroup.ltd.uk) |
| 13:11.07 | *** join/#debian garmaflo1e (~root@APoitiers-106-2-1-73.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 13:11.18 | *** join/#debian norton (~norton@81-234-24-50-o1124.telia.com) |
| 13:11.43 | rocky23 | ive just done an apt-get upgrade and upgraded all the packages and noticed postfix has stopped reading the pop-before-smtp db file.. postfix is using libdb3.so.3.0.2 and pop-before-smtp uses libdb2.so.2.7.7 how come pop-before-smtp never got upgraded so it all matches in stable ? |
| 13:12.38 | jharrisonwk | yazid_work: yeah |
| 13:13.13 | norton | Is cdburning working well in the newer kernels for you people? I've tried both linux 2.6 which ATA and 2.4 with SCSI emulation, but cdrecord always fails when it will fixate the disk. It worked a long time ago with older kernels. |
| 13:13.20 | greycat | !info pop-before-smtp sid |
| 13:13.28 | dpkg | pop-before-smtp: (watch log for POP/IMAP auth, notify MTA to allow relay), section mail, is extra. Version: 1.36-2 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 13:13.41 | greycat | !depends pop-before-smtp sid |
| 13:13.47 | dpkg | pop-before-smtp: depends on postfix | mail-transport-agent, libnet-netmask-perl, libtimedate-perl, perl, netbase |
| 13:13.51 | greycat | hmm. |
| 13:13.54 | bob2 | that's odd |
| 13:14.06 | bob2 | norton: how old is the drive? |
| 13:14.07 | *** join/#debian huggi (~huggi@213.144.129.155) |
| 13:14.30 | bob2 | do any clients not support smtp auth anymore? |
| 13:14.46 | norton | bob2: don't know from which year, but its old. 4x burning :) |
| 13:14.55 | bob2 | ah |
| 13:15.04 | norton | you think its that? |
| 13:15.09 | bob2 | might be |
| 13:15.15 | bob2 | my 8x burner doesnt work anymore |
| 13:15.27 | *** join/#debian blaci_hu (root@kelesys.hu) |
| 13:15.34 | norton | oh, but you have a newer that works? |
| 13:16.09 | rocky23 | greycat: any ideas? |
| 13:16.20 | bob2 | norton: yeah |
| 13:16.21 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 13:16.22 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little thermal paste, and 42 rabid bunnies. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 13:17.04 | *** join/#debian c0al (~c0al@12.96.68.166) |
| 13:17.28 | *** join/#debian SHS` (SHS@SHS.moderator.phpbb) |
| 13:17.34 | norton | bob2: ok |
| 13:17.40 | norton | thanks |
| 13:18.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 839] by debhelper |
| 13:18.21 | *** join/#debian aigarius (~aigarius@159.148.239.80) |
| 13:18.54 | *** join/#debian Agabus (~me@203-206-253-222.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 13:19.48 | rocky23 | ve just done an apt-get upgrade and upgraded all the packages and noticed postfix has stopped reading the pop-before-smtp db file.. postfix is using libdb3.so.3.0.2 and pop-before-smtp uses libdb2.so.2.7.7 how come pop-before-smtp never got upgraded so it all matches in stable ? |
| 13:19.54 | Agabus | how can i tell if i have a 64 bit or 32 bit processor? |
| 13:20.05 | bob2 | Agabus: you have a 32-bit one |
| 13:20.16 | Agabus | bob2 - how u know? |
| 13:20.31 | greycat | because you had to ask. |
| 13:20.36 | bob2 | because you'd know if you did |
| 13:20.40 | wintix | is it possible to tell convert to resize the long side of a picture to say 600 and the short size as aspect tells? |
| 13:21.05 | greycat | rocky23: pop-before-smtp is apparently a perl script. it doesn't *use* libdb*.so.* |
| 13:21.42 | *** join/#debian Aer (~Aer@m63.net81-66-46.noos.fr) |
| 13:21.44 | greycat | rocky23: if converting the raw database files with the various db*_dump and db*_load programs doesn't work, then ask on the mailing list |
| 13:22.06 | bob2 | hah, perl has bdb functions built in? |
| 13:22.14 | bob2 | encapsulation is for wusses |
| 13:22.19 | Agabus | lol yeh i thought you'se might say that. but nah i aint that noob geez. so i just got as a present a new cpu n motherboard right, and on the cpu box it says intel EM64T supports 64-bit computing, but it says nothing more about 64bit and i've installed and have everything operational, but have seen nothing to do with 64 bit. |
| 13:22.24 | rocky23 | greaycat: |
| 13:22.24 | rocky23 | pop-befor 8160 root mem REG 3,1 291624 163346 |
| 13:22.24 | rocky23 | master 8905 root mem REG 3,1 692456 49062 |
| 13:22.31 | rocky23 | sorry for the line spaces i didnt mean for that |
| 13:22.39 | bob2 | Agabus: there's nothing to see |
| 13:22.41 | greycat | um. what are you trying to show me? |
| 13:22.45 | *** join/#debian mrew (~mrew@warner.force9.co.uk) |
| 13:22.53 | bob2 | Agabus: if it's a em64t chip, you can install the debian i386 or amd64 ports |
| 13:22.55 | rocky23 | the difference is db formats that they are using |
| 13:22.56 | *** part/#debian haakonn (~haakon@tunnel-32-40.vpn.uib.no) |
| 13:23.11 | greycat | rocky23: how does what you pasted show this? |
| 13:23.19 | Agabus | bob2 - k i'm glad. i wonder if there will be much speed difference |
| 13:23.32 | *** join/#debian cocozz (~cocozz@m194-158-77-194.andorpac.ad) |
| 13:23.37 | _joey | can anyone access this site: http://www.shopthestates.com/ / |
| 13:23.38 | *** join/#debian julep (~x@modemcable065.142-81-70.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 13:23.40 | jharrisonwk | how do you guys feel about ati cards in linux in regards to driver support, performance etc...? |
| 13:23.41 | _joey | ? |
| 13:23.45 | rocky23 | lsof on pid of pop-before-smtp is top one, and postfix is master |
| 13:23.58 | cocozz | hi, why do I get 1/3 of my time "Waiting for headers" on apt-get ? |
| 13:24.15 | tobs | cocozz: slow mirrors/connection/computer? |
| 13:24.24 | greycat | jharrisonwk: what do you want to *do* with the card? |
| 13:24.36 | cocozz | tobs, no/no/no :S |
| 13:25.16 | *** join/#debian __raw__ (~raj@h-64-105-159-118.phlapafg.covad.net) |
| 13:25.23 | jharrisonwk | greycat: well sometimes I play games or do video editing/watching, tv out stuff like that |
| 13:25.33 | greycat | jharrisonwk: what kinds of "games"? chess? |
| 13:25.44 | tobs | i'd say 3d. |
| 13:25.50 | *** join/#debian asuffield (~asuffield@83-216-134-182.neilsu339.adsl.metronet.co.uk) |
| 13:25.59 | jharrisonwk | greycat: stuff like enemy territory, doom3, unreal etc... |
| 13:26.04 | greycat | then get nvidia. |
| 13:26.08 | *** join/#debian yure (~yure@dhcp-212-235-229-194.sd.uni-lj.si) |
| 13:26.17 | guyzmo | hi |
| 13:26.17 | greycat | ATI's 3d support in linux is shit. |
| 13:26.20 | Agabus | bob2 - is there an official version of debain for 64 bit? and do know if there will be much difference between the standard 32bit? |
| 13:26.33 | bob2 | Agabus: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 13:26.35 | jharrisonwk | greycat: I have used ati for a long time but im going to build an athlon64 system and I am also considering nvidia this time |
| 13:26.41 | RichiH | greycat: got the memo? |
| 13:26.45 | greycat | RichiH: yes |
| 13:26.45 | guyzmo | what's the last 2.6 kernel that could be considered as being the most (trully) stable ? |
| 13:26.45 | bob2 | Agabus: no, it's not official, it is a bit faster, but you can't run random binary junk |
| 13:26.46 | jharrisonwk | greycat: I have not had any problems with ati 3d |
| 13:26.52 | *** join/#debian Kane32 (~jojo@p549B2A6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:26.53 | bob2 | I liked my radeon |
| 13:26.57 | jharrisonwk | greycat: however does nvidia have good tv out support etc... |
| 13:26.59 | bob2 | 3d with Free drivers, baybe |
| 13:27.00 | RichiH | nice, eh? ;) |
| 13:27.00 | greycat | jharrisonwk: oh? then why were you asking? |
| 13:27.05 | pwned | guyzmo: sarge (stable) has 2.6.8 |
| 13:27.13 | greycat | I can't tell you anything about tvout. never used it. |
| 13:27.17 | jharrisonwk | ah |
| 13:27.20 | pwned | but it depends on your definiiton of stable |
| 13:27.21 | jharrisonwk | ok |
| 13:27.27 | jm_ | jharrisonwk: yes they do |
| 13:27.38 | *** join/#debian foka (~foka@218.191.239.125) |
| 13:27.38 | guyzmo | pwned - I'm getting new sources and I'll compile it |
| 13:27.46 | jharrisonwk | I have heard that nvidia's drivers are much better |
| 13:27.46 | jm_ | some people say that AI has better picture when it comes to TV out |
| 13:27.50 | jm_ | ATI* |
| 13:28.13 | tobs | ati has better monitor/tv out clarity |
| 13:28.14 | guyzmo | that's for a fileserver I'll use in production, for which I need to add for 'exotic' hardwar |
| 13:28.18 | pwned | fall all we know, sarge might still have lots of programs which have bugs in long term which are not apparent after a few months of testing |
| 13:28.18 | jharrisonwk | well with my ati tv out picture is ok for watching video or pictures |
| 13:28.24 | tobs | but nvidia would rape ati in 3d performance on linux |
| 13:28.24 | jharrisonwk | but surfing the web sucks |
| 13:28.31 | jm_ | to be honest, I didn't notice it when I compared the picture |
| 13:28.34 | jharrisonwk | but its the tv being sucky |
| 13:28.38 | Agabus | bob2 - wat u mean i can't run random binary junk? |
| 13:28.54 | bob2 | Agabus: do you care about binary-only software? |
| 13:29.12 | __raw__ | hi, can someone tell me what r the implications of doing this: I am workign with an embedded device. I need to replace the rootfs on the nand Flash with a new image. I connected a hd to the device, remount the / as ro and chroot into the hda1 which has the FS image and used dd if=FS.dat of=/dev/nand. This seemed to work but I am wondering if this is the right way to do |
| 13:29.24 | Agabus | bob2 - well sometimes i prefer not to compile if thats what u mean... |
| 13:29.31 | bob2 | Agabus: it's not what I mean |
| 13:29.42 | *** join/#debian tekkah (~tekk@209.213.64.215) |
| 13:29.52 | tobs | sometimes binaries won't be 64-bit is what bob2 means, i think. |
| 13:29.58 | tralala | there is a big difference between ati and nvidia, because ati has free software drivers that support 3d for some models (many) while nvidia doesn't |
| 13:29.58 | vezult | Agabus: binary-only means that you can't get the source code. non-free in other words |
| 13:30.07 | tobs | so to get any true performance benefit, you'd want to compile for 64-bit. |
| 13:30.21 | *** join/#debian LoRez (lorez@lorez.staff.freenode) |
| 13:30.31 | tobs | but that's just an assumption. |
| 13:30.33 | *** part/#debian xiao (~halcyon@th100064.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) |
| 13:30.36 | Agabus | oh yeah. but everything will still work |
| 13:31.18 | Agabus | when i compile stuff, will it automatically get compiled for 64 bit? or will i have to use optimized commands of some sort? |
| 13:31.36 | greycat | Agabus: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 13:32.07 | Agabus | l |
| 13:32.09 | Agabus | k* |
| 13:32.11 | tralala | Agabus: if you run the amd64 port it will get compiled 64 bit by default |
| 13:32.18 | jharrisonwk | Agabus: /j #debian-amd64 |
| 13:32.35 | Agabus | tralala - sweet, thanks man |
| 13:32.42 | __raw__ | tralala: ^^ any idea? |
| 13:32.49 | *** join/#debian poh (~poh@cpe-69-207-41-144.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 13:32.53 | *** join/#debian pikeman (~rr00tt@218-160-78-117.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 13:33.26 | *** join/#debian toffy_ (~bjorn@28.80-202-83.nextgentel.com) |
| 13:34.14 | wintix | is it possible to tell ls to use a new line for each file? |
| 13:34.29 | Agabus | ls -l? |
| 13:34.37 | tralala | __raw__: no, sorry |
| 13:34.37 | dawg | wintix, ls -1 |
| 13:34.49 | pikeman | (aye ... just abook) |
| 13:34.50 | wintix | dawg: thx :) |
| 13:34.56 | tobs | haha nice |
| 13:34.57 | *** join/#debian takisd (~takisd@203.87.9.157) |
| 13:34.59 | *** join/#debian lnzju (~lnzju@210.32.156.138) |
| 13:35.03 | pikeman | (nothing to say) |
| 13:35.13 | wintix | Agabus: -l gives additional information which i dont need |
| 13:35.28 | Agabus | ah k |
| 13:35.34 | pikeman | tobs, awk |
| 13:35.41 | tobs | heh |
| 13:35.47 | tobs | if i can just do it with ls though, a lot easier |
| 13:35.54 | tobs | awk was never my strong suite |
| 13:35.54 | pikeman | tobs, awk(drogon book author) |
| 13:35.55 | *** join/#debian xsquared (~mike@dsl-202-173-145-179.qld.westnet.com.au) |
| 13:35.59 | takisd | running a script to backup /etc dir using tar - it keeps missing some files/dirs when not run as root, any other way to do it??? |
| 13:36.03 | *** join/#debian beyond (~beyond@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 13:36.07 | greycat | takisd: no. |
| 13:36.27 | greycat | backups need root privileges if you wish to read all the files that only root can read. |
| 13:37.10 | Agabus | oh and for the people that have been listening bout my new hardware. if i boot off my hard-drive which had etch installed with my old hard-ware, will i be able to boot back in properly? |
| 13:37.40 | takisd | greycat: thanks, i'm actually running it on backup server as root on that box that has those dirs nfs mounted... is there an option i'm missing on /etc/exports ? |
| 13:37.59 | greycat | takisd: no_root_squash |
| 13:38.02 | greycat | takisd: man exports |
| 13:38.30 | *** part/#debian pikeman (~rr00tt@218-160-78-117.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 13:38.30 | takisd | greycat: i've got that already... its still missing some on the tar |
| 13:38.40 | *** join/#debian pwned (~cynic_X_@student-scj39.scj.fh-aachen.de) |
| 13:38.59 | takisd | greycat: my export - / 192.168.0.1(rw,sync,no_root_squash) |
| 13:39.32 | tobs | Agabus: possibly |
| 13:39.56 | *** join/#debian Benton (~Benton@p50894099.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:40.02 | Agabus | tobs - why would it not? |
| 13:40.24 | *** join/#debian r1k0 (~rik@alf94-7-82-228-220-32.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 13:40.33 | tobs | lack of properly compiled kernel |
| 13:40.46 | tobs | dunno, probably off-base on this |
| 13:40.48 | tralala | takisd: so all you need to do is mount <server>:/ /for_backup (as root) and then tar cf backup.tar /for_backup/etc |
| 13:41.39 | *** join/#debian EvAn-x (~rammstein@200.29.58.176) |
| 13:41.57 | tralala | takisd: and, of course, everyone who can access your network will be able to retrieve all the data from your <server> |
| 13:42.17 | takisd | tralala: thats where i'm stumped, thats exactly what i'm doing. it misses stuff anyway |
| 13:43.00 | takisd | tralala: on the second point... i only have the backup box in /etc/exports for the export |
| 13:43.46 | *** join/#debian paines (al@p508A3F68.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:43.48 | tralala | takisd: have you heard of arp poisoning? |
| 13:44.03 | takisd | tralala: no... |
| 13:44.06 | EvAn-x | debian spanish channel...........? |
| 13:44.08 | *** join/#debian takatumi (nach@takatumi.user) |
| 13:44.12 | tobs | EvAn-x: #debian-es |
| 13:44.16 | takisd | tralala: googling now... |
| 13:44.18 | EvAn-x | thanks |
| 13:44.22 | CQ | are there any good systems for automated build and regression testing? something like mozllas tinderbox? |
| 13:44.30 | *** join/#debian d0rt (~d1rt@cderr3.simons-rock.edu) |
| 13:44.31 | tobs | takisd: arp handles ip to mac address translation |
| 13:44.56 | tobs | so arp poisoning would be changing the ip address entry for a mac address |
| 13:45.03 | tralala | a much better setup is the archiving process to run on the server and the nfs partition to be on the pc with the burner/tape |
| 13:45.41 | *** join/#debian Lee__ (~lee@ool-44c26fa3.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 13:45.46 | *** join/#debian xcyborg (~service@80.86.106.45) |
| 13:46.07 | rhalff | how can apt-cache search on only title and description ? |
| 13:46.10 | takisd | ok, just read about arp... clearly i'm at risk... ok... i moved the process to the server to take the load off this box while its tars and bzips |
| 13:46.25 | rhalff | a normal search is returning stuff which has nothing to do with the keyword I search for. |
| 13:46.51 | snail | rhalff: yes, but you can google for the packages: |
| 13:47.02 | hikenboot | is there something besides apt-get that you have to do to install the gcc compiler? |
| 13:47.09 | greycat | !b-e hikenboot |
| 13:47.12 | dpkg | hikenboot: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 13:47.28 | *** join/#debian magnetic (~magnetic@169.Red-217-127-113.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:47.33 | *** join/#debian revolution (bank@gb.ja.107.46.revip.asianet.co.th) |
| 13:47.39 | tralala | takisd: if your server is heavily loaded you'll probably want to trade space for speed and turn off the (g|b)zipping |
| 13:47.40 | hikenboot | its strange but vmware worked before i moved it over to the new motherboard |
| 13:47.44 | *** join/#debian grepper (~robert@ip216-239-89-209.vif.net) |
| 13:47.51 | snail | hikenboot: it depends on what you're ding with the gcc compiler, what language you're using and whether you want to link as well... |
| 13:48.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 848] by debhelper |
| 13:48.31 | *** join/#debian spiorf (spiorf@host143-141.pool8256.interbusiness.it) |
| 13:48.37 | tralala | hikenboot: binary shite is always strange |
| 13:48.49 | hikenboot | vmware requires it....not doing programing per say at this point... |
| 13:49.09 | hikenboot | strangely every time i start vmware it tells me that the kernel isnt prepaired for it! |
| 13:49.15 | *** join/#debian faiper (~dsffds@acc-01-40.radio.wavenet.com.br) |
| 13:49.20 | *** join/#debian ceh58 (ceh58@skye.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk) |
| 13:49.20 | hikenboot | and have to run vmware-config.pl over again |
| 13:49.24 | *** join/#debian f0rtex (~DonCorleo@212-41-76-98.adsl.solnet.ch) |
| 13:49.26 | hikenboot | which runs gcc |
| 13:49.52 | revolution | my vibra128 sound card get problem |
| 13:49.59 | *** part/#debian ceh58 (ceh58@skye.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk) |
| 13:50.07 | *** join/#debian ahriman (~ahriman@c-1940e155.169-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 13:50.36 | hikenboot | yes it says wrong version of gcc so it mustint be "linked as you say" how do i link it? |
| 13:50.39 | takisd | tralala: ok... thanks for the heads up... i'll move the process back to this box and remove the exports. i'll suffer some speed/load for a while to keep the security... i knew that, was hoping to get away with it... thanks |
| 13:50.40 | revolution | any one help me |
| 13:50.51 | ahriman | is it posible to undo a system upgrade? |
| 13:50.52 | abrotman | revolution: we need more to work with |
| 13:51.00 | abrotman | ahriman: how much of a system upgrade? |
| 13:51.02 | *** join/#debian buerste (~andi@p548A86ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:51.11 | rocky23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.21 | *** part/#debian faiper (~dsffds@acc-01-40.radio.wavenet.com.br) |
| 13:51.44 | ahriman | abortman I just cliced on "Mark all upgrades" in syaptic, and then apply |
| 13:51.55 | ahriman | :) |
| 13:52.26 | *** join/#debian faw (~felipe@200.195.150.81) |
| 13:52.26 | *** part/#debian Le_Vert_ (~Le_Vert__@81.56.196.209) |
| 13:52.28 | revolution | abrotman, i installed alsa-base and alsa-util than it work fine |
| 13:53.07 | *** join/#debian Penix (~wenas@penix.user) |
| 13:53.15 | *** part/#debian Mayhem (~Mayhem@dsl-202-173-156-152.vic.westnet.com.au) |
| 13:53.27 | revolution | abrotman, but after reboot and start to play xmms then xmms crash and no sound anymore |
| 13:53.32 | JohnnyST | What is the default bytes-per-inode ratio when creating an ext3 filesystem? |
| 13:53.35 | abrotman | ahriman: and you did it already ? |
| 13:53.35 | petemc | hikenboot: cat /proc/version, make sure the link to /usr/bin/gcc is the same version as mentioned there |
| 13:53.40 | ahriman | yes |
| 13:53.51 | jm_ | johhnyst;man mkfs.ext3 |
| 13:53.55 | *** join/#debian freewoody (~bill@202.79.52.173) |
| 13:53.55 | abrotman | revolution: so see if xmms is still running .. |
| 13:53.56 | jm_ | can't type |
| 13:54.00 | *** join/#debian Jordam23 (~edersg@200.251.136.67) |
| 13:54.16 | *** join/#debian opioid (~karl@pcp08896855pcs.hcksrd01.tn.comcast.net) |
| 13:54.16 | abrotman | ahriman: you could manually downgrade each package .. but it's a major pain |
| 13:54.31 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 13:54.41 | *** join/#debian atholas (~atholas@222-153-126-73.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 13:54.41 | freewoody | how do I install True Type fonts in Debian |
| 13:54.51 | hikenboot | thanks petemc |
| 13:54.51 | abrotman | !tell freewoody about ttf |
| 13:54.52 | JohnnyST | jm_: I am looing at man mkfs.ext3 but cant find it there.. |
| 13:54.59 | JohnnyST | I will google.. |
| 13:55.02 | revolution | abrotman, yes |
| 13:55.11 | *** join/#debian netfrog (~ilya-conn@bzq-167-68.dsl.bezeqint.net) |
| 13:55.14 | ahriman | abortman thnx for response |
| 13:55.14 | jm_ | JohnnyST: try using dumpe2fs then |
| 13:55.15 | abrotman | revolution: if it's still running .. kill it |
| 13:55.32 | abrotman | JohnnyST: tune2fs ? |
| 13:55.36 | *** join/#debian lucka (~lucka@gw.klimnet.org) |
| 13:55.47 | revolution | abrotman, i kill it but other app cannot work with sound anymore |
| 13:55.52 | cmihai | mke2fs ?! |
| 13:55.59 | hikenboot | opps that must be a problem with vmware installer gcc 3.3.6 is the one listed there |
| 13:55.59 | *** join/#debian bigwilk (mib-man@p83.129.49.191.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 13:56.04 | *** join/#debian Vegar (ircd@213.151.142.51) |
| 13:56.19 | cmihai | It's part of "e2fsprogs" ... |
| 13:56.25 | Vegar | are there any nice applications to switch refresh rate in X? |
| 13:56.33 | *** part/#debian bigwilk (mib-man@p83.129.49.191.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 13:56.44 | *** join/#debian lnzju (~lnzju@210.32.156.138) |
| 13:56.45 | cmihai | "apt-get install e2fsprogs" I guess... |
| 13:56.47 | tobs | there is a default of 4096 bytes per inode |
| 13:56.50 | tobs | for ext3 |
| 13:56.54 | drac | Vegar: xrandr ? |
| 13:56.57 | revolution | abrotman, i see that there are 2 mixer oss mixer and alsa mixer in volume-control |
| 13:56.58 | tobs | google is wonderful. |
| 13:57.09 | JohnnyST | abrotman: it seems that tune2fs can not change the ratio after it is made with mkfs.ext3 |
| 13:57.11 | jm_ | yeah but that's not the value he's looking for - that's why I said man mkfs.ext3, but I was wrong ;) |
| 13:57.16 | CQ | can cvs check out RCS files? |
| 13:57.19 | Vegar | drac: I was thinking about a GUI app |
| 13:57.39 | tobs | CQ: aren't the rcs files the files which contain the actual revision data? |
| 13:57.45 | yazid_work | Vegar: there is a frontend for xrandr in KDE |
| 13:57.50 | *** join/#debian Eulex (~alex@h31n1fls33o998.telia.com) |
| 13:57.57 | drac | Vegar: Desktop enviroments like Gnome/KDE and XFCE4 has own settings for that.. |
| 13:58.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 857] by debhelper |
| 13:58.08 | jm_ | JohnnyST: why do you want to know this? |
| 13:58.14 | *** join/#debian Lunar_Lamp (~LunarLamp@client-82-3-250-37.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) |
| 13:58.22 | *** part/#debian paines (al@p508A3F68.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:58.37 | CQ | tobs- they are all ,v files... they contain the revisions. |
| 13:58.48 | CQ | I want to write a check-out-and-build script to test them. |
| 13:58.49 | Eulex | yazid_work, you still here? |
| 13:58.52 | Vegar | drac: I can't find anything in XFce |
| 13:59.02 | *** join/#debian KintriX (~KintriX@160.Red-83-37-185.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:59.05 | *** join/#debian XxlOaF (~rawr@69-170-195-228.bflony.adelphia.net) |
| 13:59.06 | JohnnyST | jm_: I am going to use a big disks with with a few big files on it so I do not want to waste space on inodes.. |
| 13:59.06 | *** part/#debian KintriX (~KintriX@160.Red-83-37-185.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:59.06 | Eulex | Vegar, find what in xfce? |
| 13:59.06 | tobs | you mean like continuous integratiobn? |
| 13:59.12 | *** join/#debian XxlOaF (~rawr@69-170-195-228.bflony.adelphia.net) |
| 13:59.36 | jm_ | JohnnyST: ahh, I doubt you'll lose very much because of this |
| 13:59.38 | Vegar | Eulex: application to switch between refresh rates |
| 14:00.03 | tobs | im sure there is a continuous integration app for the language you're programming in |
| 14:00.07 | *** join/#debian Althaser (~nufan@bl4-191-154.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 14:00.23 | JohnnyST | jm_: Perhaps not I will create it and look how much I lost with default ratio.. |
| 14:00.32 | *** join/#debian drp|office (~wtfdoyouc@63.238.106.2) |
| 14:00.37 | jm_ | JohnnyST: yes, that's probably the best option |
| 14:01.04 | Eulex | Vegar, there should be a section in the settings manager for changing resolutions and refresh rates... btw, what version are you running? |
| 14:01.10 | jm_ | it used 251 inodes per group on my /boot partition, and 510 on my 30G partitions |
| 14:01.23 | drac | Vegar: What version of XFCE4? If that's old one (like 4.0), try new XFCE 4.2.2 packages created by one of XFCE4 maintainers for Debian (at www.os-works.com) |
| 14:01.23 | *** join/#debian slabling (~root@helium.prodar.com.br) |
| 14:01.34 | drac | Vegar: os-works.com has repository for it. |
| 14:01.42 | drac | Vegar: and Settings include Display Settings then. |
| 14:01.44 | Vegar | Eulex, drac: I'm using the one in Etch |
| 14:01.46 | *** join/#debian pikeman (~rr00tt@218-160-78-117.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 14:01.50 | drac | Vegar: That's old. |
| 14:01.51 | JohnnyST | jm_, ok.. |
| 14:01.55 | Vegar | ah |
| 14:01.57 | Vegar | no wonder |
| 14:02.27 | Eulex | Vegar, http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/ |
| 14:02.28 | abrotman | JohnnyST: no .. it can't |
| 14:02.54 | *** join/#debian HardDaysNight (~Blknight@dsl-210-211-77-076.sa.veridas.net) |
| 14:02.54 | JohnnyST | abauer, ok.. |
| 14:02.57 | JohnnyST | oops. |
| 14:03.01 | Vegar | thanks Eulex and drac |
| 14:03.02 | *** join/#debian ermavin_ (~ernst@telemark-static99.bluecom.no) |
| 14:03.02 | JohnnyST | abrotman, ok |
| 14:03.04 | Vegar | :) |
| 14:03.04 | ralf | anyone has tried to build the |
| 14:03.08 | Eulex | Vegar, there are big improvements in 4.2.2 |
| 14:03.09 | *** part/#debian jake1932 (~jpersofsk@pool-70-16-129-221.phil.east.verizon.net) |
| 14:03.12 | ralf | *xorg from the svn repo? |
| 14:03.23 | tarzeau | my head hurts |
| 14:03.29 | jm_ | ralf: why bother with debs available? |
| 14:03.29 | pikeman | svn? |
| 14:03.33 | tarzeau | i can't see the "xorg" nor "ubuntu" anymore |
| 14:03.39 | Vegar | what about something to help set brightness/contrast? |
| 14:03.41 | ralf | jm_: sure? where? |
| 14:03.49 | drac | Vegar: There is Gamma Settings as well. |
| 14:03.50 | pikeman | tarzeau, ? |
| 14:03.56 | drac | Vegar: All in XFCE 4.2.* |
| 14:03.56 | tarzeau | if i could censor words in #debian into ***** the words would be ubuntu and xorg |
| 14:03.58 | jm_ | ralf: uhm read http://planet.debian.net/ |
| 14:04.01 | *** join/#debian TiffOn (user@218.Red-217-126-197.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:04.04 | Vegar | drac: oh, nice |
| 14:04.05 | *** part/#debian norton (~norton@81-234-24-50-o1124.telia.com) |
| 14:04.15 | tarzeau | pikeman: everytime i read xorg or ubuntu i feel like puking |
| 14:04.22 | jm_ | tarzeau: you can ignore lines matching something with irssi :) |
| 14:04.27 | pikeman | tarzeau, why? |
| 14:04.33 | donny | ooh nice |
| 14:04.37 | Eulex | Vegar, there are lotsa small improvements everywhere... |
| 14:04.42 | tarzeau | jm_: can you remind me how? |
| 14:04.55 | tarzeau | pikeman: because it's in no way related to #debian |
| 14:05.02 | *** join/#debian cat-dog (~cat@218.3.94.65) |
| 14:05.12 | pikeman | just change name .... grox and nbnntn |
| 14:05.18 | jm_ | tarzeau: "/help ignore" has an example |
| 14:05.21 | azeem | tarzeau: how is xorg not related to Debian? |
| 14:05.22 | abrotman | revolution: did you try restarting alsa ? |
| 14:05.29 | abrotman | azeem: it's not in debian yet |
| 14:05.38 | tarzeau | it's not even in experimental yet |
| 14:05.43 | pikeman | s/nbnntn/nbnutn |
| 14:05.50 | azeem | that's a minor detail |
| 14:05.57 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 14:06.25 | pikeman | debian is some guys in it so |
| 14:06.35 | pikeman | I hate it |
| 14:06.40 | tobs | O_o |
| 14:06.49 | pikeman | O_o |
| 14:07.15 | revolution | uhm never |
| 14:07.16 | Vegar | uhm |
| 14:07.20 | *** join/#debian slabling (~root@helium.prodar.com.br) |
| 14:07.23 | revolution | abortman, never |
| 14:07.25 | snail | i've got a c executable that's giving me the error "qgo: : Cannot allocate memory". I have plenty of swap, so presumably the app is requesting a single enormous chuck of memory? |
| 14:07.30 | *** part/#debian pikeman (~rr00tt@218-160-78-117.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 14:07.31 | wxFoo | has sparc support been dropped on debian finally? |
| 14:07.35 | Vegar | How come apt says XFce 4.2.2 is in the Etch repository? |
| 14:07.43 | bob2 | snail: you can strace/valgrind it |
| 14:07.44 | revolution | abortman, i had to try alsaconf again |
| 14:07.53 | abrotman | !info xfce etch |
| 14:07.58 | snail | bob2: thanks |
| 14:07.58 | abrotman | wxFoo: no .. why would it be? |
| 14:08.00 | EvAn-x | cya |
| 14:08.01 | Vegar | and 4.2.1.1 in the osworks rep? |
| 14:08.04 | *** part/#debian EvAn-x (~rammstein@200.29.58.176) |
| 14:08.14 | wxFoo | abrotman, I read something about it on slashdot or something :) |
| 14:08.23 | tarzeau | azeem: manchmal haenkts mir einfach aus, wenn du es immer und immer wieder liest |
| 14:08.24 | abrotman | wxFoo: yes .. well .. that's slashdot for you ... |
| 14:08.31 | wxFoo | jeje |
| 14:09.01 | *** join/#debian brx (~brx@p54B8BAFE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:09.03 | abrotman | wxFoo: there was a proposal to drop architectures from release .. afaik .. still a proposal .. but afaik .. debian wouldn't stop developing for them .. just not have a formal release(on a release-by-release basis) |
| 14:09.24 | wxFoo | abrotman, Oh I see, thanks for the info |
| 14:09.35 | rocky23 | : ive just done an apt-get upgrade and upgraded all the packages and noticed postfix has stopped reading the pop-before-smtp db file.. postfix is using libdb3.so.3.0.2 and pop-before-smtp uses libdb2.so.2.7.7 how come pop-before-smtp is using an older version i would of though sarge would of had a version with the same db versions so they were compatible |
| 14:09.41 | abrotman | wxFoo: /msg dpkg vancouver |
| 14:09.47 | greycat | !would of |
| 14:09.48 | dpkg | It's "would have", not "would of". If you're speaking, then "would've" is acceptable, and it sounds just like "would of", but "would of" is just plain wrong. |
| 14:09.53 | poh | is there an easy way to use a patch that is not packaged with debian with make-kpkg and --added-modules |
| 14:10.01 | *** join/#debian PeTeRB (~me@80.232.209.146) |
| 14:10.48 | *** part/#debian freewoody (~bill@202.79.52.173) |
| 14:10.52 | nkuttler | poh: can you apply the patch cleanly? |
| 14:10.54 | *** part/#debian netman1 (~haanj02@cc275267-a.deven1.ov.home.nl) |
| 14:11.28 | greycat | rocky23: I have yet to see ANY concrete evidence for your assertion that pop-before-smtp "uses" (whatever you mean by "uses") a particular shared library version, **OR** more importantly, that this is related to whatever problem you may be experiencing. |
| 14:11.34 | greycat | Not that you've actually TOLD US what the problem is yet. |
| 14:11.42 | *** part/#debian brx (~brx@p54B8BAFE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:11.54 | *** join/#debian Ze` (~ada@pat.fx-per.uhb.fr) |
| 14:12.02 | bob2 | it sounds like perl links it in |
| 14:12.13 | bob2 | hrm |
| 14:12.30 | *** join/#debian az[a]zel_ibook (~damien@ppp224-16.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 14:12.30 | *** join/#debian thefly (~ham@regulus3.student.uu.se) |
| 14:12.32 | greycat | I think he just totally ignored my suggestion to convert the database files with db*_{load,dump}. |
| 14:12.33 | Vegar | Eulex: XFce 4.2.2 is in etch |
| 14:12.34 | *** join/#debian _mook_ (~kurumin@200.248.155.73) |
| 14:12.50 | *** part/#debian Ze` (~ada@pat.fx-per.uhb.fr) |
| 14:13.18 | *** join/#debian debian-san (~fred@a140117.usr.starcat.ne.jp) |
| 14:13.50 | *** join/#debian jhonyes (~jhonyes@82.198.111.52) |
| 14:14.02 | cbr | is the marillat mirror still down? |
| 14:14.04 | rocky23 | greycat: sorry i didnt see your suggestion |
| 14:14.13 | Vegar | Eulex: and 4.2.1.1 is in the os-works repository |
| 14:14.16 | *** join/#debian thingfish (~mark@dialup-4.245.44.204.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) |
| 14:14.19 | rocky23 | bob2: yes the perl script must initialise it somehow so it writes that db file |
| 14:14.28 | *** join/#debian groton (~groton@teotihuacan.nekhem.com) |
| 14:14.50 | *** part/#debian _mook_ (~kurumin@200.248.155.73) |
| 14:15.03 | *** join/#debian Alec2 (root@84-50-164-43-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) |
| 14:15.10 | groton | hello all. anyone is using kdevelop3 3.2.0 in sarge? i have mahy problem with it, it seems very buggy. ANy help? For example, how could i get the 3.1.2 version, which was wroking fine :) |
| 14:15.24 | drac | Vegar: Oh, sorry didn't know that. I was still on.. history. XFCE 4.2.2 should have those settings in menu. |
| 14:15.29 | *** part/#debian Alec2 (root@84-50-164-43-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) |
| 14:15.39 | *** join/#debian gungnir (~gungnir@ppp75-3.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net) |
| 14:15.41 | azeem | groton: maybe you can find it at snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:15.45 | drac | Vegar: Maybe you are missing some package like xfce-mcs-manager (if I remember the name correctly) |
| 14:15.47 | atholas | msg dpkg udev |
| 14:15.53 | Vegar | this is odd |
| 14:15.55 | *** join/#debian qwertz_ (~qwertz@84.19.198.37) |
| 14:15.56 | Vegar | Installed: 4.0.5-1 |
| 14:15.59 | poh | nkuttler: yes the patch applies cleanly |
| 14:16.05 | Vegar | why on earth won't it upgrade? |
| 14:16.24 | nkuttler | poh: the just run make-kpkg, should work |
| 14:16.36 | nkuttler | poh: s/the/then/ |
| 14:16.49 | *** part/#debian Jordam23 (~edersg@200.251.136.67) |
| 14:16.52 | *** join/#debian zophyx (~Emile@zophyx.student.supporter.pdpc) |
| 14:17.05 | *** join/#debian _Mocker_ (~kurumin@200.248.155.73) |
| 14:17.08 | poh | nkuttler: where do I put the patch so that make-kpkg can find it? |
| 14:17.21 | *** join/#debian Alec2 (alec@84-50-164-43-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) |
| 14:17.38 | *** join/#debian wimpunk (~wim@ip-213-49-18-78.dsl-static.scarlet.be) |
| 14:17.50 | *** part/#debian _Mocker_ (~kurumin@200.248.155.73) |
| 14:18.10 | *** join/#debian character (~lsmith@192.135.141.99) |
| 14:18.31 | bobwJek | anyone know how i can get the IP of the AP i am associated with? |
| 14:18.41 | *** part/#debian moty66 (~Proprieta@host82-8.pool80181.interbusiness.it) |
| 14:19.07 | Vegar | strange |
| 14:19.16 | Vegar | APT must think sarge is still testing |
| 14:19.16 | apt | okay, Vegar |
| 14:19.29 | azeem | bobwJek: shouldn't that be your gateway IP? |
| 14:19.44 | azeem | well, if it's a router, I guess |
| 14:19.47 | bobwJek | azeem, no, gateway ip is our router |
| 14:19.50 | *** part/#debian wimpunk (~wim@ip-213-49-18-78.dsl-static.scarlet.be) |
| 14:20.32 | azeem | bobwJek: a traceroute to the router then, perhaps |
| 14:20.33 | azeem | ? |
| 14:20.39 | antgel | is there a way to log _all_ user login/out activity? can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 14:20.57 | jim | antgel: /var/log/auth.log |
| 14:20.58 | bobwJek | azeem, the router is my first hop |
| 14:21.12 | *** join/#debian chrysopa (~ronaldo@rotent.cpd.ufv.br) |
| 14:21.15 | bobwJek | azeem, i have the MAC address, but cant determine the IP |
| 14:21.21 | yazid_work | antgel: probably by reconfiguring the PAM stack (exception: ssh with key auth might need additional logging setup) |
| 14:21.26 | jethro | bobwJek: arping |
| 14:21.29 | bobwJek | azeem, i was thinkinh of an ARP |
| 14:21.33 | *** join/#debian PeTeRB (~me@80.232.209.146) |
| 14:21.57 | antgel | jim: this doesn't log normal user logins, only su attempts |
| 14:22.06 | *** join/#debian bah (048830696@AC89C9D3.ipt.aol.com) |
| 14:22.13 | Eulex | Vegar: 4.2.2 is in testing? then forget about os-works.com and just update... |
| 14:22.22 | jethro | antgel: man last |
| 14:22.57 | Vegar | hmm |
| 14:23.13 | mtnman | antgel: /var/log/wtmp (man last for info) |
| 14:23.19 | Eulex | jim & yazid_work: I found out some more info about my cd drive problems |
| 14:23.23 | sobersabre | guys... apt repository able to work distributed ? |
| 14:23.35 | sobersabre | s/.../..is/ |
| 14:23.36 | bob2 | define "distributed" |
| 14:23.39 | bob2 | without using any buzzwords |
| 14:23.41 | *** join/#debian gentgeen__ (~kevin@c-24-23-121-150.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 14:23.47 | jethro | that's not gonna be easy |
| 14:23.55 | *** join/#debian stetyR (~stetuR@82stb68.codetel.net.do) |
| 14:23.55 | donny | lol |
| 14:23.56 | CQ | bob2 lol |
| 14:24.09 | sobersabre | to have parts of repos in dif machines, and to be accessed via any of them and be able to complete the missing stuff |
| 14:24.23 | *** join/#debian Dr_O (~oweraon@dsl-80-46-89-83.access.as9105.com) |
| 14:24.24 | antgel | jethro/mtnman: my oldest /var/log/wtmp* is wtmp.1 which has nothing earlier than may, whilst this system has been up since december |
| 14:24.24 | *** join/#debian Alec2 (alec@84-50-164-43-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) |
| 14:24.30 | antgel | where did the older ones go? |
| 14:24.36 | jethro | antgel: man logrotate then |
| 14:24.40 | CQ | can apt interagitate with the lcusterenetworked drivelinked redundant system architecture compliant back-end machines? |
| 14:24.41 | bob2 | sobersabre: no, ti doesnt handle broken repositories |
| 14:24.46 | sobersabre | like say 1/3 in A, 1/3 in B and 1/3 in C, and i could define any of ABC to be reposirory |
| 14:24.49 | *** part/#debian stetyR (~stetuR@82stb68.codetel.net.do) |
| 14:24.50 | jethro | antgel: and keep wtmps, instead of rotating |
| 14:24.52 | *** join/#debian eggi___ (~einstein@dsl-084-059-217-233.arcor-ip.net) |
| 14:24.52 | bob2 | sobersabre: it trivially handles repositories distributed over various machines, tho |
| 14:24.52 | Vegar | yay |
| 14:24.55 | Vegar | new xfce |
| 14:25.05 | gentgeen__ | Does anyone know the name of the "distro" that has multible mini-live-CDs all on one CD? |
| 14:25.21 | jim | sobersabre: you can have lots of repos in your sources.list, you can put those repos where you want, they can contain any set of packages... I'd say the answer is yes, dependent on how you organize it |
| 14:25.48 | *** join/#debian eNTi (~eNTi@85-124-110-30.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 14:25.55 | Eulex | jim & yazid_work: I'm sure now that it is a sony dw-d56a, then 2.4.27 is using the ide-cdrom driver |
| 14:26.02 | Vegar | all I can say is.. wow |
| 14:26.04 | Vegar | different.. |
| 14:26.07 | jim | gentgeen__: see Distribution-HOWTO (search google) |
| 14:26.11 | abrotman | gentgeen__: headache ? |
| 14:26.12 | sobersabre | jim. as a client i don't wish to be scheduler: to manage too many multiple repositories. this is the idea ( imho ) in distribution. |
| 14:26.13 | azeem | Vegar: how so? |
| 14:26.13 | antgel | jethro: fair enough, i always assumed that logrotate default policy was to gzip oldies, never delete them |
| 14:26.20 | bluefox83 | gentgeen__, you mean a live cd distro that has more than one kernel right? |
| 14:26.43 | gentgeen__ | A live cd that had BBC Linux, Morphix Lite, and a few others |
| 14:26.52 | bluefox83 | O.o |
| 14:26.57 | bluefox83 | never heard of it |
| 14:26.58 | gentgeen__ | they you could choose which distro to try out |
| 14:27.00 | sobersabre | i mean... is this something that wasn't thought of when designing apt, or is it something that was thought of and avoided... ? |
| 14:27.24 | jim | sobersabre: dunno, ask manoj and culus |
| 14:27.36 | sobersabre | are they here ? |
| 14:27.42 | jim | dunno :) |
| 14:28.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 848] by debhelper |
| 14:28.10 | bob2 | sobersabre: it's something apt already does |
| 14:28.13 | sobersabre | i'll try... it can be nice: you define a meta-repos, and it decides where is closer to you... |
| 14:28.30 | sobersabre | per package or package group... |
| 14:28.32 | jim | sobersabre: there's apt-spy |
| 14:28.38 | sobersabre | who is it ? |
| 14:28.45 | karsten | Does Evolution have a list reply feature? |
| 14:28.57 | sobersabre | karsten, what is it ? |
| 14:29.03 | azeem | L in mutt |
| 14:29.05 | opioid | On-line, no system battery |
| 14:29.11 | *** join/#debian ackron (~ackron@213.219.187.254) |
| 14:29.13 | opioid | /usr/bin/apm |
| 14:29.19 | opioid | my battery meter isnt working |
| 14:29.24 | *** join/#debian FossiFoo (~Fossi@d192220.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 14:29.26 | karsten | sobersabre: What azeem said |
| 14:29.39 | opioid | is this a module i'm missing or something ? fresh sarge install |
| 14:29.42 | *** join/#debian Leopard (~Leopard@H1886.h.pppool.de) |
| 14:29.44 | sobersabre | karsten, azeem said you should use mutt in mailing lists. |
| 14:29.46 | sobersabre | :) |
| 14:29.52 | Vegar | agh |
| 14:29.54 | bobwJek | jethro, got any clue how to get the IP, man page isnt clear |
| 14:29.56 | shingouz | opioid: did you install apmd? |
| 14:29.59 | sobersabre | like many people do. |
| 14:29.59 | bob2 | sobersabre: apt does this, it just expectes the server to be setup corrctly |
| 14:30.06 | opioid | shingouz: yup |
| 14:30.16 | Vegar | now the panel overlaps the taskbar |
| 14:30.19 | Leopard | hi there. im VERY new to debian... is there a german channel ? |
| 14:30.25 | Vegar | any way to change that? |
| 14:30.31 | bob2 | Leopard: #debian-de |
| 14:30.35 | sobersabre | bob2 . i think: if one site is fast but has a small HD... why not to make it a repository ? |
| 14:30.39 | azeem | #debian.de, actually |
| 14:30.40 | streuner | Leopard: /msg dpkg ig |
| 14:30.45 | opioid | root 912 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 13:48 0:00 [kapmd] |
| 14:30.48 | Eulex | Vegar: move it (there are settings for that in the settings manager) |
| 14:30.48 | sobersabre | but there's no "partial" repository term |
| 14:30.49 | opioid | root 914 0.0 0.2 1488 532 ? Ss 13:48 0:00 /usr/sbin/apmd -P /etc/apm/apmd_proxy --proxy-timeout 30 |
| 14:30.53 | bob2 | sobersabre: so do that |
| 14:30.54 | *** join/#debian karsten_ (~karsten@o1-dialup-66-81-219-21.rev.o1.com) |
| 14:30.55 | bob2 | sobersabre: sure there is |
| 14:30.59 | Vegar | Eulex: are you sure? |
| 14:31.00 | shingouz | opioid: hmm... it should work then. i think i am clueless at the moment. unless /msg dpkg laptop has something to point you in the right direction? |
| 14:31.03 | Leopard | thx azeem |
| 14:31.03 | Vegar | Eulex: I can't find them |
| 14:31.04 | bob2 | sobersabre: this is already possible and simple |
| 14:31.16 | sobersabre | bob2, you don't understand me. i must go. :) ttl ok ? |
| 14:31.33 | otje | jethro: thanks for the link (although it's mandrake instead of debian); but why isn't this available as complete package? |
| 14:31.34 | bob2 | sobersabre: I do understand, any server can serv any fraction of the debian archive |
| 14:31.40 | Vegar | Eulex: ah, found it |
| 14:31.45 | Eulex | Vegar: I'm almost sure... but I can't check, cos I'm on gnome 2.10 now... only because I wanted to try it out |
| 14:31.47 | bob2 | even I know how to do that, and I know very little about debian's infrastructure |
| 14:31.49 | Vegar | hmm |
| 14:31.54 | Vegar | Eulex: no, wasn't it |
| 14:32.02 | jethro | otje: I don't know. did it help you to understand ? |
| 14:32.04 | sobersabre | maybe you do understand me :) |
| 14:32.10 | sobersabre | ok |
| 14:32.14 | sobersabre | see you all. |
| 14:32.22 | Eulex | Vegar: I'll come over to xfce 4.2.2, I was just trying out gnome, but I don't like it that much |
| 14:32.31 | *** part/#debian groton (~groton@teotihuacan.nekhem.com) |
| 14:32.46 | *** join/#debian odeez (~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net) |
| 14:33.03 | *** join/#debian lftl (~spanky@adsl-220-213-250.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:33.13 | *** join/#debian Alec2 (alec@84-50-164-43-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) |
| 14:33.14 | *** join/#debian tvn (~tvn@pool-151-205-247-24.cap.east.verizon.net) |
| 14:33.17 | FossiFoo | i can't ask in ##linux because i managed to forget my pass, so... anybody got a clue why my hd keeps being full (df shows 0 available) even when i delete files? |
| 14:33.25 | *** join/#debian dos000 (~dos000@66.11.188.35) |
| 14:33.28 | FossiFoo | even remount n sync didn't do a thing |
| 14:33.38 | opioid | shingouz: hmm, the apm works with freebsd kernel and not this standard sarge kernel.. odd |
| 14:33.40 | bob2 | files stay there until they're unused |
| 14:33.48 | xophEr | If I use my system as a workstation, do I need exim at all? |
| 14:33.50 | opioid | shingouz: maybe i should try a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 14:34.04 | bob2 | xophEr: I use a local postfix instance for all my outgoing mail |
| 14:34.04 | terrex | yes, U sholud |
| 14:34.05 | shingouz | opioid: that is odd. i would go for the 2.6 if i were you |
| 14:34.12 | bob2 | xophEr: you need some sort of MTA to deliver mail from cron/etc |
| 14:34.17 | xophEr | ok |
| 14:34.22 | jim | xophEr: yes, parts of debian email status to you, like cron |
| 14:34.29 | *** join/#debian caphuso (foobar@p5481E2E4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:34.33 | FossiFoo | well df shows less 'used' space, but no 'available' |
| 14:34.40 | snail | FossiFoo: most formats set aside a portion of unreported space that only root can write to |
| 14:34.56 | snail | empty space doesn't show up until all of that is reclaimed |
| 14:34.58 | Eulex | Vegar: 4.2.2 ain't in testing! I've got 4.0.6 from official debian repositories and 4.2.11 from os-works.com over here. are you on sid? |
| 14:35.26 | Vegar | yay, Xchat crashed |
| 14:35.30 | *** join/#debian strikinado (strikirc@strikinado.user) |
| 14:35.37 | *** join/#debian cmatheson (~foo@166.70.182.190) |
| 14:35.44 | strikinado | aonde vejo se minha gravação na partição está assíncrona |
| 14:35.47 | shingouz | Vegar: how many weeks was it up? |
| 14:35.50 | *** part/#debian Leopard (~Leopard@H1886.h.pppool.de) |
| 14:35.58 | shingouz | !es |
| 14:35.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:36.06 | shingouz | !br |
| 14:36.06 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:36.17 | strikinado | heeh |
| 14:36.17 | Vegar | shingouz: 0 |
| 14:36.19 | strikinado | ty |
| 14:36.21 | Vegar | shingouz: 15 mins, max |
| 14:36.28 | paulswm | shingouz: covering both possibilities, huh |
| 14:36.57 | *** join/#debian hblaschka (~hblaschka@p549FA07A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:37.03 | *** join/#debian Zerohero (zerohero@84.217.137.152) |
| 14:37.05 | shingouz | paulswm: yea, i did not recognize the language |
| 14:37.24 | *** join/#debian rocky23 (~rocky23@ideanat.ideagroup.ltd.uk) |
| 14:37.59 | *** join/#debian Disputin (~sean@dsl093-040-143.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 14:38.07 | FossiFoo | snail, bob2: thanks for the hints, may be that |
| 14:38.12 | *** part/#debian FossiFoo (~Fossi@d192220.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 14:38.26 | shingouz | Vegar: you have some problem there then, i usually run xchat for about three weeks in a row |
| 14:38.35 | *** join/#debian mathieu_ (~mathieu@lns-vlq-30-str-82-254-38-75.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 14:38.40 | Vegar | shingouz: I think it's that plugin |
| 14:38.42 | *** part/#debian mathieu_ (~mathieu@lns-vlq-30-str-82-254-38-75.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 14:38.45 | *** join/#debian debianito (~WebChat@77.Red-81-38-69.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:38.50 | shingouz | Vegar: what plugin? |
| 14:38.51 | *** part/#debian debianito (~WebChat@77.Red-81-38-69.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:38.54 | Vegar | shingouz: the systray plugin |
| 14:39.00 | Vegar | shingouz: it disappeared |
| 14:39.14 | Vegar | I guess it crashed because it couldn't flash |
| 14:39.16 | *** join/#debian mikey1 (~mikey@ipnet.cust.sloane.cz) |
| 14:39.16 | shingouz | Vegar: mmmhh... systray.. no such thing here |
| 14:39.17 | Vegar | I just heard the beep |
| 14:39.33 | *** join/#debian l (alec@84-50-164-43-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) |
| 14:40.07 | m_ | How do I set my FQDN? resolver I think it is, is returning localhost.localdomain |
| 14:40.08 | *** join/#debian Sklet (~Sklet@208.195.214.174) |
| 14:40.17 | *** join/#debian character (~lsmith@192.135.141.99) |
| 14:41.17 | *** join/#debian hggh_ (~jonas@p83.129.169.183.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 14:41.21 | *** join/#debian sameer (~sameer@202.83.42.30) |
| 14:41.58 | Vegar | Where did the XFce menu move? |
| 14:42.07 | *** join/#debian Lennart (~len@78.61-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 14:42.13 | Eulex | Vegar: "xfce" menu? |
| 14:42.18 | bluefox83 | Vegar, i ate it! muahahaha |
| 14:42.19 | *** join/#debian mikey1 (~mikey@ipnet.cust.sloane.cz) |
| 14:42.21 | xirtam | hmm is gdesklets in sid broken? i tried to install it and get unmet deps on libgtop2-2 but libgtop2-5 is in sid ... ? |
| 14:42.31 | Vegar | Eulex: yes, the thing that appears when you right click on the backdrop |
| 14:42.41 | *** join/#debian netman1 (~haanj02@cc275267-a.deven1.ov.home.nl) |
| 14:43.28 | Vegar | Eulex: the thing with all the installed apps |
| 14:43.31 | *** join/#debian troete (~deejay@p54AC43C9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:43.32 | tarzeau | can someone say ubuntu or ubunto please? just testing my /ignore |
| 14:43.38 | Vegar | ubuntu |
| 14:43.39 | bluefox83 | although, if i run gdm as a regular user, that's what pops up..i usually just kill it and log in as root and run gdm that way |
| 14:43.43 | jethro | tarzeau: ubunto |
| 14:43.46 | tarzeau | Vegar: damn |
| 14:43.47 | bluefox83 | ubuntu |
| 14:43.53 | xirtam | ;)) |
| 14:43.55 | tarzeau | something wrong with /ignore -regexp -pattern "ubunto" all |
| 14:44.13 | Eulex | Vegar, that means that xfce-desktop ain't running, it has either never never been running or has crashed |
| 14:44.24 | Vegar | oh |
| 14:44.32 | bluefox83 | oh, cool..can xchat do that? |
| 14:44.34 | jethro | tarzeau: remove the "" |
| 14:44.48 | jethro | tarzeau: 16:44:19 8 *: ALL -regexp -pattern sarge.*release |
| 14:44.49 | Vegar | Eulex: I don't think it's installed |
| 14:44.54 | *** join/#debian wxFoo (~zxc@OL94-156.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 14:45.08 | *** join/#debian faked (fake@83-65-238-76.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 14:45.24 | netman1 | help me |
| 14:45.24 | *** join/#debian randey (~randey@202.63.116.67) |
| 14:45.24 | Eulex | Vegar: umh, I meant xfdesktop |
| 14:45.30 | *** join/#debian WillR (~wwrivende@66.38.192.218) |
| 14:45.31 | tarzeau | can we try again, last time please? |
| 14:45.36 | bluefox83 | ubuntu |
| 14:45.36 | jethro | ubunto |
| 14:45.37 | Vegar | Eulex: no, it's running |
| 14:45.38 | netman1 | ubunt |
| 14:45.43 | tarzeau | netman1: DIE! |
| 14:45.49 | jethro | tarzeau: got mine? |
| 14:45.49 | Vegar | vegar 8692 0.1 1.6 14764 8488 ? S 16:25 0:01 xfdesktop |
| 14:45.51 | WillR | is there a way to reset root passwd if pc wotn boot into single user mode?? |
| 14:45.53 | tarzeau | jethro: nothing :) |
| 14:45.57 | tarzeau | jethro: i am so happy. |
| 14:45.59 | Penix | ubertu |
| 14:46.00 | jethro | tarzeau: then you're done :) |
| 14:46.01 | netman1 | tarzeau: rofl!!! |
| 14:46.07 | bluefox83 | tarzeau, what about mine? |
| 14:46.11 | tarzeau | Penix: I HATE YOU WENAS! |
| 14:46.20 | tarzeau | bluefox83: nothing :) |
| 14:46.21 | mtnman | willr: you can boot from floppy or cd and then edit /etc/passwd |
| 14:46.26 | *** join/#debian seven_six_two (~fathead@toronto-HSE-ppp4072812.sympatico.ca) |
| 14:46.29 | bluefox83 | tarzeau, cool beans, good job |
| 14:46.40 | tarzeau | it's this: /ignore -regexp -pattern ubuntu * |
| 14:46.42 | jethro | tarzeau: now you gotta help make this bloody AIX accept my netgroups |
| 14:46.53 | tarzeau | jethro: it was not the " |
| 14:46.59 | jethro | tarzeau: LIAR§ |
| 14:47.01 | WillR | (mtnman): i tried boting form debian cd.... and going to shell. it wont let me mount the harddrive form there.. is there a specific disc i need? |
| 14:47.01 | jethro | :) |
| 14:47.15 | WillR | (mtnman): how do i edit eht paswd file.. isnt it encrypted? |
| 14:47.16 | *** join/#debian Electric1lf (~david@69.59.171.132) |
| 14:47.26 | cmatheson | WillR, what do you mean it won't let you mount the hard drive, what does it say? |
| 14:47.27 | mtnman | willr: well, something like tomsrtbt (floppy) or knoppix (cd) should work |
| 14:47.40 | *** join/#debian frood (~frood@www.hal9000.org.uk) |
| 14:47.40 | *** join/#debian jdhutchin1 (~jdhutchin@user-0cdv0g2.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 14:47.46 | hikenboot | the kernel-headers were not installed in the 2.6.11-1 kernel thats why it wouldnt compile...my stupidity |
| 14:47.55 | Eulex | Eulex: hmm, that's strange... are you sure it's running? and maybe something else is controlling the root window |
| 14:47.57 | mtnman | willr: if you google a bit, you will find a howto |
| 14:48.02 | Eulex | ahem |
| 14:48.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 854] by debhelper |
| 14:48.10 | otje | Does anybody installed one-time-passwords for ssh on debian? |
| 14:48.18 | Eulex | Vegar: hmm, that's strange... are you sure it's running? and maybe something else is controlling the root window |
| 14:48.25 | bluefox83 | i think they should automatically download all the kernel headers and tree stuff when you download a kernel image..that'd make life so much easier.. |
| 14:48.27 | seven_six_two | smy pc crashed recently, and now when i get to gdm login screen i can't login. more correct is that i can't type. nearly every key on my kbd changes the video mode. i tried reinstalling gdm but it's the same. the only errors i can find in any of my logs are these: |
| 14:48.27 | lestest | is it possible to have all the CNAMEs of an IP ? |
| 14:48.34 | WillR | thx |
| 14:48.35 | Vegar | Eulex: I am very sure |
| 14:48.43 | seven_six_two | vesafb: probe of vesafb failed with error -6 |
| 14:48.52 | Vegar | Eulex: Middle click gives me a menu though |
| 14:48.53 | jim | bluefox83: well there's kernel-headers package for that |
| 14:49.05 | Vegar | Eulex: but my custom backdrop isn't there |
| 14:49.06 | jethro | lestest: you can guess them. that's all. |
| 14:49.11 | *** join/#debian cat-dog (~cat@218.3.94.76) |
| 14:49.17 | seven_six_two | drmOpenDevice: open result is -1 (unknown error 999) |
| 14:49.19 | jethro | lestest: unless you can read the zone file, of course. |
| 14:49.21 | bluefox83 | jim, i know, i mean i wish it would automatically download when you download hte image, instead of having to type out all the package names :P |
| 14:49.29 | bluefox83 | *the |
| 14:49.32 | lestest | jethro: I have the zonefile |
| 14:49.34 | Vegar | Eulex: I'll try to restart it again |
| 14:49.41 | Vegar | brb |
| 14:49.44 | Eulex | Vegar, you could try killing xfdesktop and then running xfdesktop & disown in a term |
| 14:49.45 | jim | bluefox83: but some people don't want the headers |
| 14:49.51 | seven_six_two | hey jim. still here? or here again? |
| 14:49.54 | jethro | lestest: what's your question then? |
| 14:50.03 | lestest | jethro: never mind |
| 14:50.07 | bluefox83 | jim, why wouldn't you want th eheaders? |
| 14:50.11 | bluefox83 | *the headers |
| 14:50.26 | Vegar | Eulex: now it's there, but empty |
| 14:50.33 | jim | bluefox83: why have headers, for example, without a compiler? |
| 14:50.34 | Vegar | Eulex: and there it disappeared |
| 14:50.54 | seven_six_two | is vesafb part of a package that i can reinstall? |
| 14:51.02 | bluefox83 | jim, i figured everyone would atleast have gcc so they could say, install modules and such.. |
| 14:51.13 | *** join/#debian adjacent (~scott@office.bftwave.com) |
| 14:51.14 | Eulex | Vegar, that sounds like it's crashing... btw, what so you mean by "empty" and "diseappered" |
| 14:51.17 | Eulex | *do |
| 14:51.29 | jim | gcc (and the rest of build-essential) is just another package |
| 14:51.30 | *** join/#debian Flying_Cow (~mirc@c-431ae353.1141-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 14:51.31 | Vegar | Eulex: it just said "Desktop menu", no options or anything |
| 14:51.38 | Vegar | Eulex: then it stopped working |
| 14:51.38 | Eulex | seven_six_two, vesafb is part of the kernel |
| 14:51.57 | *** join/#debian lnzju (~lnzju@210.32.156.138) |
| 14:51.58 | *** join/#debian Zefiris (werner@chello062178063068.22.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 14:52.06 | Eulex | Vegar, what said "desktop menu", then what stopped working? |
| 14:52.15 | takatumi | it. |
| 14:52.17 | Vegar | Eulex: when I right clicked on the backdrop |
| 14:52.24 | Vegar | Eulex: the menu was there |
| 14:52.37 | Vegar | Eulex: then, when I tried again it didn't show up |
| 14:52.43 | seven_six_two | Eulex: ok. I'll try uninstalling x and reinstalling it, and getting a new kernel... |
| 14:53.09 | *** join/#debian alec2 (alec@84-50-164-43-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) |
| 14:53.22 | Eulex | Vegar: sounds like a crash... are you sure it's still running? |
| 14:53.36 | Eulex | Vegar: then, what other programs are you running? |
| 14:53.36 | *** join/#debian pabl0 (~pabl0@201.129.196.53) |
| 14:53.40 | Vegar | Eulex: vegar 8924 0.2 1.5 14552 7908 ? S 16:50 0:00 xfdesktop |
| 14:53.55 | Vegar | I added it to the panel |
| 14:53.59 | Vegar | same behaviour |
| 14:54.45 | Eulex | Vegar, I dunno... join the xfce4 mailing list and post a detailed description of the problem... |
| 14:54.59 | Eulex | I'll start xfce4 now, so I'll brb |
| 14:54.59 | hikenboot | ok guys i have kernel incompatabilities do to changes in source from my compile I want to follow thiese directions http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian but they leave out copying the config...can someone tell me the command so i start from my current config? |
| 14:55.11 | *** part/#debian alec2 (alec@84-50-164-43-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) |
| 14:55.11 | *** join/#debian brx (~brx@p54B8FFFA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:55.33 | hikenboot | or does it do it automatically? |
| 14:55.36 | Eulex | hikenboot, copy the .config into the kernel source dir and then make oldconfig? |
| 14:55.52 | Eulex | anyway, brb |
| 14:55.54 | hikenboot | cp .config oldconfig is all? |
| 14:55.56 | petemc | hikenboot: you're just trying to install vmware? did you do what i told you earlier, change the symlink to /usr/bin/gcc |
| 14:56.03 | seven_six_two | does 31r0a=sarge? |
| 14:56.08 | hikenboot | the simlink is correct |
| 14:56.39 | petemc | hikenboot: its correct in that it.. ? |
| 14:56.41 | hikenboot | i get different errors now do to changes from kernel to source...it was a custom kernel to run beagle |
| 14:56.59 | *** join/#debian HarleyG (~HarleyG@82-44-218-103.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 14:57.07 | *** join/#debian alec2 (alec@84-50-164-43-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) |
| 14:57.09 | WillR | can I just cp root entry from shadow file of one machine to the other to give the other machine the same root password? |
| 14:57.13 | *** join/#debian az[a]zel (~damien@ppp220-217.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 14:57.25 | tarzeau | WillR: yes |
| 14:57.31 | petemc | WillR: you may need to run pwconv after |
| 14:57.35 | hikenboot | There is probably a slight difference in the kernel configuration between the |
| 14:57.35 | hikenboot | set of C header files you specified and your running kernel. You may want to |
| 14:57.35 | hikenboot | rebuild a kernel based on that directory, or specify another directory. |
| 14:57.48 | *** join/#debian PeTeRB (~me@80.232.209.146) |
| 14:57.53 | WillR | ok.. thank you |
| 14:58.01 | petemc | hikenboot: did you install kernel-headers-`uname -r` ? |
| 14:58.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 848] by debhelper |
| 14:58.24 | hikenboot | yes i installed 2.6.11-1 kernel headers just like kernel version |
| 14:58.39 | *** join/#debian FarrisG (~jrush@h-68-164-19-170.dllatx37.covad.net) |
| 14:58.53 | *** join/#debian redtech (~reddog@redtech.user) |
| 14:59.01 | *** join/#debian ricky_clarkson (~ricky@rickyclarkson.user) |
| 14:59.04 | ricky_clarkson | !alsa |
| 14:59.05 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 14:59.13 | *** join/#debian tell (tell@177pc210.sshunet.nl) |
| 14:59.48 | hikenboot | my developers had to hack some to get inotify patch to work |
| 14:59.55 | hikenboot | i might have to drop beagle for now |
| 15:00.08 | ricky_clarkson | In that alsa factoid, where the bugger is alsaconf? |
| 15:00.12 | *** join/#debian Skiver (~DebianLin@218.111.213.185) |
| 15:00.19 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, right, run it as root. ;) |
| 15:00.22 | *** join/#debian zahod (~apkatt@c-489a71d5.013-101-73746f46.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 15:00.29 | tell | hi, in menuconfig for new kernel: should i select athlon/duron/k7 family of processors, or i386. i have an athlon sempron 2500+ |
| 15:00.48 | *** join/#debian jc-denton (~nils@zux173-061.adsl.green.ch) |
| 15:00.53 | *** part/#debian Edis0n (~weber@u16-173.dsl.vianetworks.de) |
| 15:00.55 | *** part/#debian jc-denton (~nils@zux173-061.adsl.green.ch) |
| 15:00.59 | *** join/#debian alec_ (alec@84-50-164-43-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) |
| 15:01.10 | idealbsd | tell, k7 |
| 15:01.29 | tell | thanks |
| 15:01.42 | *** join/#debian crogue5 (~none@ip68-99-111-190.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 15:01.55 | *** join/#debian cahoot (~radix@h198n2fls31o952.telia.com) |
| 15:01.56 | xirtam | hmm is gdesklets in sid broken? i tried to install it and get unmet deps on libgtop2-2 but libgtop2-5 is in sid ... ? |
| 15:02.07 | bob2 | xirtam: check the bts |
| 15:02.13 | alec_ | h |
| 15:02.14 | bob2 | it's not unusual for things to be uninstallable in sid |
| 15:02.18 | idealbsd | tell, np :) |
| 15:02.28 | *** join/#debian norton (~norton@81-234-24-50-o1124.telia.com) |
| 15:02.40 | *** join/#debian shellcode (~matteo@host98-77.pool8252.interbusiness.it) |
| 15:03.02 | *** join/#debian cdc (balaji@59.92.37.190) |
| 15:03.07 | *** part/#debian atrus (atrus@S01060000b48e3b44.cg.shawcable.net) |
| 15:03.13 | *** join/#debian atrus (atrus@S01060000b48e3b44.cg.shawcable.net) |
| 15:03.21 | cdc | huh... had a bad time with Gentoo installation |
| 15:03.24 | cdc | huh... |
| 15:03.38 | cdc | installed Debian Sarge |
| 15:03.45 | cdc | Debian Sarge is too good |
| 15:03.52 | azeem | cool |
| 15:03.53 | xirtam | bob2: whats the way then ... there is a report about probs because of gnome 2.10 ... |
| 15:04.02 | bob2 | xirtam: it's sid, dude |
| 15:04.06 | *** join/#debian geemark (~geemark@0x535b38c6.hrnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 15:04.11 | xirtam | *grml* |
| 15:04.11 | bob2 | xirtam: when things get screwed, you submit a patch or you wait |
| 15:04.12 | xirtam | ;)) |
| 15:04.25 | cdc | is Gnome 2.10 in Sarge ? |
| 15:04.30 | Vegar | Aha! ** (xfce4-panel:9059): WARNING **: XfceDesktopMenu: Error parsing xfdesktop menu file (2): Error on line 53: Entity name 'debian' is not known |
| 15:04.30 | bob2 | no |
| 15:04.31 | xirtam | cdc: no |
| 15:04.40 | cdc | xirtam: why is that |
| 15:04.46 | jim | xirtam: you're running sid... you're on the leading edge... so LEAD... |
| 15:04.51 | *** join/#debian honschu (6428-ident@p549EBEFD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:04.55 | bob2 | because 2.10 wasn't ready when sarge froze |
| 15:05.06 | xirtam | jim: it's ok ... i just miss my todo-list in the desktop ... ;( |
| 15:05.08 | Vegar | how do I reinstall files in /etc/? |
| 15:05.15 | cdc | bob2: but they could have done it now right ? |
| 15:05.17 | cdc | :-) |
| 15:05.18 | bob2 | Vegar: dude, don't delete random files |
| 15:05.21 | bob2 | please |
| 15:05.24 | azeem | cdc: it is in unstable |
| 15:05.25 | Vegar | like /etc/X11/xfce4/menu.xml |
| 15:05.35 | Vegar | bob2: do you really think I'm that stupid? |
| 15:05.48 | bob2 | not a day goes by without someone doing that |
| 15:05.50 | Vegar | bob2: I just want an updated /etc/X11/xfce4/menu.xml |
| 15:05.56 | cdc | azeem: but Ubuntu has got Gnome 2.10 |
| 15:05.56 | bob2 | Vegar: purge and reinstall the package, usually |
| 15:05.59 | azeem | extract it out of the .deb. Or delete every trace of it and run apt-get install --reinstall |
| 15:06.03 | ricky_clarkson | XMMS won't play using alsa, but plays fine using oss. How can I verify that Alsa works? Any simple test, like cat /dev/random > /dev/audio or whatever? |
| 15:06.06 | furrywolf | Vegar: you may want to avoid asking bob2 questions like that. |
| 15:06.08 | azeem | cdc: their release strategy is different |
| 15:06.14 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: I'd use alsaplayer |
| 15:06.17 | azeem | cdc: and focused heavily on having the latest GNOME |
| 15:06.17 | *** join/#debian fusero_ppc (~topota@185.Red-80-36-92.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:06.29 | Vegar | ok, so how do I regenerate the menus? |
| 15:06.45 | abrotman | update-menus |
| 15:07.01 | cdc | azeem: i ve been a KDE user but now i ve changed to Gnome didnt like KDE . i love Gnome and infact Gnome 2.8 is also too good |
| 15:07.08 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: Does it do MP3s? |
| 15:07.10 | azeem | cdc: indeed, yes |
| 15:07.11 | jetx | cdc did you install debian, you ubuntu user? |
| 15:07.23 | jim | Vegar: he (and myself, btw) assume less than gurudom of you when you ask without providing full information about your situation which might suggest to someone what your real problem might be |
| 15:07.27 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: should do |
| 15:07.47 | cdc | jetx: i was using Ubuntu and tried Gentoo in my box too had a bad time with Gentoo and now i am on Sarge |
| 15:07.53 | jetx | cool |
| 15:07.54 | tobs | ricky_clarkson: i think mp3 has been the standard audio format since like 1998, why wouldn't it do mp3? ;p |
| 15:07.58 | cdc | Linux debian 2.6.8-1-386 #1 Thu Oct 7 02:21:16 EDT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:08.02 | *** join/#debian BlueShift (~justin@210.213.132.146) |
| 15:08.07 | cdc | jetx: Linux debian 2.6.8-1-386 #1 Thu Oct 7 02:21:16 EDT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:08.10 | cdc | got it ? :-) |
| 15:08.12 | abrotman | tobs: license restrictions |
| 15:08.14 | *** join/#debian lilliput (~Touriste@82-47-146-158.cable.ubr11.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 15:08.16 | jetx | how's the kernel compiling under debian, cdc |
| 15:08.33 | jetx | ah you haven't got there yet |
| 15:08.44 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: Seems to play an OGG, but there's no sound. |
| 15:08.53 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: alsa defaults to muted |
| 15:08.54 | donny | alsamixer? |
| 15:08.57 | cdc | jetx: yes but infact tried it in Ubuntu infact i was 99 % successful :-) |
| 15:08.57 | lilliput | hello |
| 15:08.58 | cdc | ;- |
| 15:08.59 | cdc | ;-) |
| 15:09.01 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: alsamixer, hit m on each channel that says MM |
| 15:09.04 | jim | oggs are just containers |
| 15:09.07 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: I've been using aumix.. |
| 15:09.13 | jim | vorbises are sounds |
| 15:09.20 | *** join/#debian chello (~chello@200.207.126.217) |
| 15:09.24 | ricky_clarkson | jim: Irrelevant. |
| 15:09.25 | lilliput | I install mysql recently but can not connect with root and password empty is that normal ? |
| 15:09.32 | abrotman | yay supreme court |
| 15:09.39 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: you need alsamixer |
| 15:09.47 | abrotman | wrong on two counts! |
| 15:09.56 | cdc | lilliput: it would be better if you could ask this question in mysql channel |
| 15:09.58 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: aumix only does the oss side of things, which is enough for most things, but not for unmuting |
| 15:10.07 | bob2 | lilliput: did you read the README.Debian? |
| 15:10.17 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: I'm using alsamixer now, and can't see where it's muted. |
| 15:10.33 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: none of the graphs have MM at the bottom? |
| 15:10.51 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: just keep hitting 'm' :) |
| 15:10.53 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: alsamixergui |
| 15:11.07 | jim | ricky_clarkson: maybe the reason you don't hear anything from the ogg is it is an empty container... |
| 15:11.08 | bob2 | don't know how it represents it |
| 15:11.27 | *** join/#debian adrian15_grub (~alumnes@talarn.udl.es) |
| 15:11.29 | bob2 | jim: assuming such unlikely things seems counterproductive |
| 15:11.37 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: alsamixer is part of the alsa-utils package, less clutter. |
| 15:11.39 | jetx | what ARE all those sliders in alsamixergui |
| 15:11.43 | *** join/#debian janux (~janux@ipd50af40e.speed.planet.nl) |
| 15:11.49 | jetx | the extra ones |
| 15:11.58 | jim | jetx: your hardware sound card controls |
| 15:11.59 | Phated | In case you lose the normal ones. |
| 15:12.02 | hikenboot | just incase you guys get some dumb beginner like me asking questions again about kernel source here's some good directions http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/vmware-kernel.html section 2.1 |
| 15:12.22 | chello | I´m trying to install my sound card can anyone help me? |
| 15:12.26 | jetx | but there's like 60 or whatever |
| 15:12.28 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, none of the graphs in alsamixer (not alsamixergui!) have MM at the bottom. |
| 15:12.32 | jetx | !alsa-bork |
| 15:12.32 | dpkg | i heard alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 15:12.51 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: and all are pushed up? |
| 15:13.08 | *** join/#debian Ass0mbracao (~root@201.3.213.245) |
| 15:13.16 | *** part/#debian Ass0mbracao (~root@201.3.213.245) |
| 15:13.16 | jetx | is digital output enabled (if applicable) ? |
| 15:13.40 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: When I push the PCM volume right up I can hear a high-pitched quiet noise. |
| 15:13.51 | jetx | feedback! |
| 15:13.52 | bob2 | and master? |
| 15:14.03 | ricky_clarkson | That's on full. |
| 15:14.20 | bob2 | is anything using the alsa devices? |
| 15:14.24 | bob2 | fuser -v /dev/snd/* |
| 15:14.31 | jim | jetx: the only digital outs I've seen on gamer-level sound cards are spdif; they need a connection to the digital ins, and on both devices you have to decide who's sending sync |
| 15:15.02 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: All volumes that can be are now on full. I hope my headphones survive. |
| 15:15.07 | *** join/#debian xuxa (~xuxa@node-40241272.sna.onnet.us.uu.net) |
| 15:15.24 | bob2 | eep |
| 15:15.33 | xuxa | yip! |
| 15:15.44 | jim | umm |
| 15:15.47 | *** join/#debian scorphus (~scorphus@scorphus.user) |
| 15:15.58 | jetx | sblive has one, and somebody's came set on by default the other day, and he couldn't figure out why it 'didn't work(tm) |
| 15:16.00 | *** join/#debian pepperpot (~pepper@216.59.239.208) |
| 15:16.07 | *** join/#debian flosch (8f8e9224a8@flosch.user) |
| 15:16.07 | *** join/#debian Xtrace (~Xtrace@d54C3A036.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:16.08 | jetx | ' |
| 15:16.11 | jim | you probably should turn the volumes to normal levels, and try to play sounds from other sources |
| 15:16.11 | cahoot | ricky_clarkson: as jetx suggested - try disable digital-output-jack (if applicable and enabled) |
| 15:16.16 | scorphus | hi all |
| 15:16.32 | xuxa | hiya scorphus |
| 15:16.53 | jim | jetx: does enabling the digital outs disable the analogs? |
| 15:17.02 | jetx | does for me |
| 15:17.10 | jetx | sblive |
| 15:17.12 | OUTsider | not on the audigy |
| 15:17.15 | scorphus | my pc speaker gets too low when I'm in X, how do I change its loudness on X? |
| 15:17.16 | *** part/#debian idealbsd (~idealbsd@211.80.86.147) |
| 15:17.19 | cahoot | well known at least for emu1ok1 |
| 15:17.23 | OUTsider | the platinum version that is |
| 15:17.46 | xirtam | sorry: is there a channel for opensource/gpl related discussion |
| 15:17.47 | xirtam | ? |
| 15:17.58 | *** part/#debian flosch (8f8e9224a8@flosch.user) |
| 15:18.01 | shingouz | scorphus: install and use a mixer. tkmixer, gamix alsamixergui |
| 15:18.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 840] by debhelper |
| 15:18.15 | jim | xirtam: there's #gnu |
| 15:18.20 | bob2 | try #opensource-is-a-stupid-made-up-phrase-use-the-gpl-already |
| 15:18.20 | xuxa | Has anyone here installed Sarge on SATA drive? I'm researching pieces for a new computer and wondering if I should go with two SATA in RAID 1 or two IDE drives in RAID 1... |
| 15:18.33 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, thanks guys. [badly-ripped] Elvis has left my computer. |
| 15:18.38 | ricky_clarkson | And alsa works. |
| 15:18.48 | bob2 | woo! |
| 15:18.49 | jim | ricky_clarkson: what did the problem turn out to be? |
| 15:19.00 | *** join/#debian Jordam23 (~edersg@200.251.136.67) |
| 15:19.13 | xuxa | bob2: hehe |
| 15:19.14 | *** join/#debian mickael (mickael@ANantes-151-1-46-244.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:19.40 | ricky_clarkson | jim: 1. Volumes were muted. 2. My test track was blank, so when I unmuted volumes it had no effect. |
| 15:19.47 | *** join/#debian ambroseL (~bjb@smtp2.symbium.com) |
| 15:19.52 | ricky_clarkson | jim: It's not empty, just has zero volumes all the way through. |
| 15:19.58 | *** part/#debian mickael (mickael@ANantes-151-1-46-244.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:20.05 | *** join/#debian maher (~maher@suzannemaher.plus.com) |
| 15:20.14 | scorphus | shingouz: no Xfce's mixer I move the bars but nothing happens, same on alsamixer |
| 15:20.45 | jim | xuxa: yes BUT sata support is atm strongest in very late kernels, and these late kernels are not yet available in official installers... |
| 15:20.45 | lef | xirtam, you can try #fsf |
| 15:20.49 | *** join/#debian _SerhaT_ (SerhaT@cc278453-c.deven1.ov.home.nl) |
| 15:21.04 | *** join/#debian Evil_Homer (~Evil_Home@d51A5680E.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:21.09 | jim | xuxa: having said that, there are a couple of unofficial ones you can try |
| 15:21.11 | *** join/#debian zahod (~apkatt@c-749a71d5.013-101-73746f46.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 15:21.14 | jim | xuxa: but it |
| 15:21.17 | xuxa | jim: I see. |
| 15:21.27 | *** join/#debian cmug (~wotoo@dsl-aur-m5d.dial.inet.fi) |
| 15:21.31 | *** join/#debian alec2 (alec@84-50-164-43-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) |
| 15:21.38 | *** join/#debian gdub (~gdub@d207-81-76-176.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 15:21.56 | *** join/#debian _MoDaX_ (fqxfcd@lan-71-78.skynet.lt) |
| 15:22.10 | *** join/#debian qwertz__ (~qwertz@84.19.198.37) |
| 15:22.27 | jim | xuxa: but it is easiest if you get the sata stuff you want, and a very small ide drive to install debian base on so you can install later kernel binary... or if you want you can get source and configure/build yourself |
| 15:23.10 | shingouz | scorphus: do you run OSS or ALsa btw? |
| 15:23.11 | xuxa | jim: that makes sense. Thank you for the advice! This is just the info I was looking for... |
| 15:23.20 | scorphus | shingouz: alsa |
| 15:23.44 | jim | xuxa: bottom line, the problem is being worked on... and it's a VERY GOOD thing that you are doing your research BEFORE buying new hardware |
| 15:24.07 | xuxa | jim: hehe. thanks. I have a difficult time spending money. :) |
| 15:24.07 | shingouz | alsamixer should work then. i run gamix on my xfce, scorphus |
| 15:24.10 | jim | xuxa: and you have several workaround possibilities |
| 15:24.11 | *** join/#debian airco (~Sarcas@kotnet-144.kulnet.kuleuven.be) |
| 15:24.12 | madclicker | if someone is trying to hack popa3d server on my mail system, will debian reject the system after certain amount of trying? |
| 15:24.36 | jim | xuxa: meetoo, it has this habit of spending itself before I get to it :P |
| 15:24.40 | airco | quick completely off-topic question: i've got a user in my chan with an mIRC worm, where do i point him to for disenfection? |
| 15:24.46 | scorphus | shingouz: let me try gamix, but think I got problems with alsa, or maybe both alsa and OSS are installed |
| 15:24.55 | scorphus | shingouz: thanks, fella! |
| 15:24.56 | bob2 | madclicker: does popa3d have an option for that? |
| 15:25.05 | *** join/#debian penguinboy (~penguinbo@24-159-145-55.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com) |
| 15:25.17 | ledet | airco: http://www.xchat.org |
| 15:25.18 | bob2 | airco: seriously, if they're going to run insecure software, nothing can help then |
| 15:25.19 | xuxa | jim: okay... so if I understand this correctly, one option is to get two SATA drives for the RAID 1 setup of my dreams, plus a smaller ide drive for debian base. I install the stock kernel/system on the ide drive and then move the system to the SATA drives? |
| 15:25.28 | *** join/#debian Mestapheles (~Captain@d142-179-138-139.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 15:25.48 | jim | xuxa: yes |
| 15:25.48 | shingouz | scorphus: if you have both installed you need to blacklist all the oss stuff and make sure nothing like that is in /etc/modules |
| 15:26.01 | *** join/#debian sh4dowcat (shadowcat@c-335f70d5.033-47-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 15:26.06 | xuxa | jim: gotcha. Thanks again! |
| 15:26.11 | *** join/#debian i10neorg (~one@dyn-host-206.113.40.72.stowetel.com) |
| 15:26.20 | *** join/#debian jair (~jairzhino@ip67-95-75-82.z75-95-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 15:26.24 | xuxa | jim: I'll probably be back with another question. :) |
| 15:26.34 | jim | xuxa: another option is to try one of the unofficial installer images that boot into late enough kernel |
| 15:26.39 | xuxa | jim: where are you writing from, by the way? |
| 15:26.46 | jim | my chair! |
| 15:26.49 | *** join/#debian Darh (~Darh@241-013.dyn-fa.pool.ew.hu) |
| 15:26.56 | jim | california. |
| 15:27.02 | petemc | the debian dell iso has has sata support, it uses the woody installer tho |
| 15:27.05 | xuxa | jim: ah cool. I think that might wind up being a good path, since I'm considering an Athlon 64 motherboard |
| 15:27.19 | *** part/#debian norton (~norton@81-234-24-50-o1124.telia.com) |
| 15:27.21 | *** join/#debian xzgv (~none@201.224.110.95) |
| 15:27.22 | xuxa | jim: I might have to use pure64 debian anyway, if I understand things |
| 15:27.29 | xuxa | jim: aha, california here too |
| 15:27.32 | *** join/#debian cue (nobody@jalokivi.netsafir.com) |
| 15:27.38 | xuxa | jim: nice to meet you! |
| 15:27.47 | *** part/#debian cmatheson (~foo@166.70.182.190) |
| 15:27.52 | jim | I'm given to understand that i386 packages will work on amd64 machines |
| 15:27.56 | *** join/#debian c0al (~c0al@12.96.68.166) |
| 15:28.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 847] by debhelper |
| 15:28.05 | jim | xuxa: likewise, waht part of cali are you in? |
| 15:28.10 | xzgv | ll a package in order to install a package from source? using sarge |
| 15:28.24 | xuxa | jim: I'm in downtown LA, though I'm moving soon to Gardena |
| 15:28.35 | xuxa | furrywolf: Shasta, California? |
| 15:28.48 | bob2 | jim: not an install of debian's amd64 port |
| 15:28.51 | scorphus | shingouz: yeah, I did it once I switched to alsa. I better have a lunch now, /me is away |
| 15:28.54 | jim | furrywolf:: yreka? |
| 15:28.59 | furrywolf | xuxa: Trinidad here... |
| 15:29.02 | xzgv | what package do i need to install in order to install a package from source? |
| 15:29.11 | *** join/#debian InitMass (~InitMass@c83-248-180-221.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 15:29.11 | bob2 | xzgv: depends on what you're compiling |
| 15:29.17 | xuxa | furrywolf: hrm... Trinidad... maps.google.... |
| 15:29.17 | *** join/#debian KinxofSepluv (KinxofSepl@147.26.236.113) |
| 15:29.18 | bob2 | xzgv: build-essential is the basic stuff |
| 15:29.19 | xzgv | fluxbox |
| 15:29.19 | jair | guys, anyone knows how could I add the other fonts to openoffice? |
| 15:29.31 | xzgv | bob2: thx |
| 15:29.37 | bob2 | fluxbox is in debian already |
| 15:29.41 | *** join/#debian JoshH (~josh@firebat.aros.net) |
| 15:29.42 | jair | xzgv, do you use fluxibox? |
| 15:29.44 | madclicker | bob2:thats what I would like to know and also how can I enable simular behavior on ssh ftp and so forth? |
| 15:29.52 | bob2 | if you insist on compiling it, run "sudo apt-get build-dep fluxbox" first |
| 15:29.54 | xuxa | furrywolf: cool. it must be beautiful there. |
| 15:29.59 | *** join/#debian mith (mith@c-67-174-166-84.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 15:30.00 | jair | bob2, do you use fluxbox? |
| 15:30.01 | furrywolf | Yreka is more northern. Shasta is more southern. :) |
| 15:30.12 | bob2 | jair: no |
| 15:30.13 | jim | trinidad? isn't that north south america? |
| 15:30.14 | xzgv | bob2: the version in sarge is not working right and i don't want to move to sid |
| 15:30.20 | bob2 | I bearly use a wm at all |
| 15:30.23 | jair | bob2, ohh ok sorry |
| 15:30.26 | xzgv | jair: yes |
| 15:30.36 | xzgv | jair, 0.9.11 |
| 15:30.42 | furrywolf | one of the dishes I installed in yreka over the winter, I was wading in 3 feet of snow. Here on the coast it just rains all year round. :) |
| 15:30.42 | bob2 | we have a deal: metacity keeps my windows maximised, and I don't get annoyed at it for being useless |
| 15:30.53 | xuxa | bob2: hehe |
| 15:30.58 | *** part/#debian i10neorg (~one@dyn-host-206.113.40.72.stowetel.com) |
| 15:31.01 | jair | xzgv, cool I am using it too but I guess I will need to read the manual because there are somethings that I want to customize. |
| 15:31.20 | xuxa | bob2: did I see above that you have experience with debian on an Athlon machine? |
| 15:31.35 | jair | xzgv, like when i want to switch from between applications, I do not want to be minimizing all the time the screens |
| 15:31.46 | bob2 | no |
| 15:31.55 | xuxa | bob2: ah, ok |
| 15:31.57 | bob2 | I'd like an amd64, tho, if anyone feels like sending me one |
| 15:32.01 | xzgv | jair: that's the problem, the ~/.fluxbox/keys sucks in sarge, does not work like it should |
| 15:32.07 | jair | xzgv, and also I know there are a lot of nice themes like a very transparent one too, that looks very cool |
| 15:32.21 | jair | xzgv, really |
| 15:32.26 | jim | bob2: so if no one sends you one you woudlnt' like it? |
| 15:32.26 | *** part/#debian lilliput (~Touriste@82-47-146-158.cable.ubr11.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 15:32.36 | xuxa | bob2: I'm trying to research a motherboard / processor for a new workstation and am considering the Athlon 64 |
| 15:32.36 | jair | xzgv, I think I will have to read the features |
| 15:32.42 | *** join/#debian spiekey (~spiekey@p549D6934.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:32.45 | *** join/#debian _StefaN^ (~StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl) |
| 15:32.45 | xuxa | bob2: so you'd say I'm on the right track? |
| 15:32.49 | jair | anyone here knows the channel for openoffice? |
| 15:32.54 | bob2 | xuxa: you'd be silly to not get one, I'd think |
| 15:33.02 | hikenboot | guys what happens if i dont have a .config in the /boot directory can i generate one some how based on my current kernel config...my guess is that when the kernel was copied from my previously owned duplicate system to this one that that file wasnt copied... |
| 15:33.02 | bob2 | assuming linux is what you care about |
| 15:33.14 | jim | xuxa: what do you want to do? |
| 15:33.15 | xzgv | jair, i solved that by disabling maximization, and clicking on the left side but sometimes it won't work, |
| 15:33.17 | bob2 | furrywolf: hah, same |
| 15:33.28 | bob2 | or sold my soul to Visa |
| 15:33.29 | *** join/#debian jrasmussen0 (~jrasmusse@rrcs-67-52-254-234.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 15:33.36 | Phated | Souls. Who needs 'em? |
| 15:33.37 | bob2 | jair: #debian-oo is one |
| 15:33.41 | furrywolf | visa won't talk to me. :P |
| 15:33.42 | jair | xzgv, ohhh wow I will have to test that ;) |
| 15:33.43 | Phated | Visa do! |
| 15:33.45 | jair | bob2, thanks |
| 15:33.49 | xzgv | jair, icewm lets me launch the apps with the Fn keys |
| 15:33.51 | *** join/#debian HarleyG (~HarleyG@82-44-218-103.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 15:34.12 | jim | visa could give a hot shit about your soul... they want your -money- |
| 15:34.16 | *** join/#debian keta (~luca@keta.base.supporter.pdpc) |
| 15:34.24 | jrasmussen0 | Anyone using the Debian stable with shorewall && ipsec |
| 15:34.35 | netman1 | hikenboot: You have a /boot/config* file, not a /boot/.config* |
| 15:34.45 | xuxa | bob2, jim : I do mainly writing (LaTeX) and surfing the web... I don't really need a lot of speed but my last computer purchase (7 years ago) was a high-end machine and I've been really pleased with it ever since... so I'm thinking about going that route again |
| 15:34.46 | *** join/#debian crogue5_ (~none@ip68-99-111-190.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 15:34.49 | bob2 | jrasmussen0: more important is which ipsec implementation you're using |
| 15:34.55 | jair | xzgv, cool |
| 15:34.56 | hikenboot | yes i do |
| 15:35.17 | xuxa | bob2, jim : and I'd just be running debian on it so yes, linux is all I do... |
| 15:35.21 | bob2 | xuxa: sure, I go the same way. if you want it to last 7 years, I'd think an amd64 was an excellent choice |
| 15:35.32 | jrasmussen0 | I'm trying to use KAME. I was using Freeswan under Woody but after the upgrade it stopped working. |
| 15:35.36 | jair | xzgv, I will have to check those things out I really want to use a very lightweight wm even when I have a 1GB of ram |
| 15:35.40 | xuxa | bob2: oh cool. I'm glad to hear that. Thanks! |
| 15:35.47 | jim | xuxa: you'll be spoiled and pampered |
| 15:36.09 | bob2 | xuxa: if only because you're going to want more than 4gb of ram within the next 7 years ;p |
| 15:36.18 | penguinboy | a question if you please...I am doing a Debian install on my laptop from an iso CD. I am at the Apt configuration screen and it is asking me to choose the method apt should use to access the Debian archive. Should the selection be: cdrom, http, ftp, filesystem, or edit by hand? I am thinking it should be cdrom. |
| 15:36.39 | xuxa | jim, bob2 : hehe. It'll be quite a shock going from this PIII 233 to an Athlon. :) |
| 15:36.43 | bob2 | penguinboy: if you have no network connection, select cdrom. |
| 15:36.51 | jim | xuxa: wow, no joke |
| 15:36.52 | penguinboy | i do have a network connection |
| 15:37.03 | penguinboy | so http? |
| 15:37.05 | *** join/#debian sun_ (~sun@67-40-114-58.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 15:37.14 | xuxa | penguinboy: I have a dsl connection and use "http" |
| 15:37.15 | *** part/#debian Thanatermesis (~Enlighten@195.132-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 15:37.27 | *** join/#debian try (~k@c-67-182-244-8.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 15:37.36 | penguinboy | thank you very much! |
| 15:37.36 | bob2 | xuxa: just make sure you know if it's an "athlon" or an "athlon64" |
| 15:37.40 | bob2 | tho both are nice |
| 15:37.43 | *** join/#debian pingouin_ (~pingouin@ALille-251-1-82-27.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:37.58 | xuxa | penguinboy: I'm not sure what to use if you have dial-up... in that case you'd probably be better off using cdrom, but if at all possible, you want to enable apt to get the latest packages from the internet |
| 15:38.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 840] by debhelper |
| 15:38.05 | jim | penguinboy: I got a question for ya... yesterday you joined, posted your web page address and left... when I /whois'ed you, you were opped on #spamcheese... could it be this defines a trend? |
| 15:38.07 | *** join/#debian EspeonEefi (espeoneefi@30-5-223.wireless.csail.mit.edu) |
| 15:38.31 | xzgv | jair: i use icewm as my primary, but am playing with fb and ion3 |
| 15:38.33 | xuxa | bob2: ah, interesting. I didn't know there's an "athlon" |
| 15:38.53 | bob2 | athlon has been amd's main brand for years now |
| 15:38.53 | xuxa | bob2: and as I understand it, there are great advantages in power saving by going with a 90nm process athlon64 |
| 15:38.56 | penguinboy | no jim. and i apologize for that. spamncheese is a room set up by friends that aere workign on a file transfer project |
| 15:39.12 | *** join/#debian mrcoyote_ (~mrcoyote@AAnnecy-251-1-43-43.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:39.12 | *** part/#debian airco (~Sarcas@kotnet-144.kulnet.kuleuven.be) |
| 15:39.20 | jair | xzgv, ohh ok |
| 15:39.24 | jim | penguinboy: just out of curiousity, what was that about? |
| 15:39.25 | madclicker | bob2: what do you think about portsentry to resolve the problem with popa3d? |
| 15:39.34 | bob2 | madclicker: Ive never used it |
| 15:39.40 | bob2 | I'd prbably use bld, myself |
| 15:40.00 | bob2 | or the rate limiting andrew wrote about months ago |
| 15:40.11 | xzgv | jair: up to now, ice é o melhor |
| 15:40.17 | bob2 | brute force attacks haven't been a huge issue for me |
| 15:40.18 | *** join/#debian sTone_heAd (~rudy@201.240.151.186) |
| 15:40.23 | try | apt-get is broken. Whenever I run either apt-get remove or apt-get install, including apt-get install -f and dpkg --configure -a I get the erroThe following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:40.23 | try | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.23 | try | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.23 | try | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.23 | try | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 15:40.24 | *** kick/#debian [try!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 15:40.35 | jim | there is no try! |
| 15:40.36 | *** join/#debian try (~k@c-67-182-244-8.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 15:40.41 | jim | yes there is |
| 15:40.52 | Phated | Heh. |
| 15:40.56 | bob2 | try: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 15:41.00 | madclicker | bob2: which andrew? |
| 15:41.15 | *** join/#debian crogue5 (~none@ip68-99-111-190.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 15:41.24 | bob2 | pollock |
| 15:41.29 | *** join/#debian davix_ (~lama@85-64-146-173.barak-online.net) |
| 15:41.30 | xuxa | jim, bob2 : thank you for the input. It's been very helpful! Talk to you both soon! |
| 15:41.34 | *** join/#debian coolpix (~rick@coolpix.org) |
| 15:41.34 | *** join/#debian forcemaster (~jon@p54A7CEF8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:41.37 | madclicker | bob2:thanks |
| 15:41.38 | *** join/#debian meinert (~m@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) |
| 15:41.50 | jim | xuxa: welcome, good luck |
| 15:41.54 | xuxa | thank you! |
| 15:41.59 | bob2 | madclicker: http://blog.andrew.net.au/2005/02/17 |
| 15:42.18 | jim | see, people can -learn- from that |
| 15:42.23 | *** part/#debian meinert (~m@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) |
| 15:42.23 | jair | xzgv, perfect I will check those I want to have something fast cool and lightweight. |
| 15:42.23 | try | okay bob2, I pasted it. |
| 15:42.59 | xzgv | Jair: my PII 266 128 ram flies with it |
| 15:43.02 | bob2 | that's odd, assuming all those amd64 lines are the actual debian-amd64 stable release |
| 15:43.09 | *** join/#debian J3anyus (jake@60hz.org) |
| 15:43.12 | *** join/#debian jrasmussen0 (~jrasmusse@rrcs-67-52-254-234.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 15:43.21 | jim | !marillat |
| 15:43.22 | dpkg | i guess marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 15:43.44 | bob2 | wow, what a useless use of a factoid |
| 15:43.45 | *** join/#debian defcon8 (~defcon8@defcon8.user) |
| 15:43.55 | bob2 | unless you're suggesting the marillat repository includes libmng-dev |
| 15:44.15 | jim | I just needed to click on a link :P |
| 15:44.44 | madclicker | bob2: would bld block me if i install it through apt? The server is in downtown in a cage. I would not be able to acces it for hours. |
| 15:44.55 | bob2 | not by default |
| 15:45.10 | madclicker | bob2: roger |
| 15:45.11 | *** join/#debian henning_ (foobar@p5481D8EB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:46.17 | try | so ok, how do I make it stop? it did this once before with KDE but that was before I had anything on here so I just reformatted and did a fresh install. I got it to stop trying to install a couple times, but I don't know how, it just quit after enough apt-get remove kde messages, and that doesn't seem to be working here. Any ideas? |
| 15:46.32 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, I've got xmms to use alsa. I thought I'd be able to use xmms as two separate instances, playing at the same time, but the second instance of xmms complains that it can't get the sound device. |
| 15:46.36 | ricky_clarkson | Any suggestions? |
| 15:46.59 | bob2 | you need to setup dmix |
| 15:47.07 | bob2 | which is usually simple, but sometimes a massive pain i nthe arse |
| 15:47.10 | *** join/#debian amorphix (~paul@82-37-56-220.cable.ubr04.brom.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 15:47.29 | jim | hey, forgot all about that :) I made a /etc/apt/sources.list.m4 :) |
| 15:47.32 | amorphix | hi, is the floppy.ko driver module required on a boot disk or not? |
| 15:47.32 | *** part/#debian takisd (~takisd@203.87.9.157) |
| 15:47.38 | ricky_clarkson | !dmix |
| 15:47.38 | dpkg | dmix is, like, an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 15:47.53 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 15:47.54 | bob2 | bah |
| 15:48.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 834] by debhelper |
| 15:48.15 | jim | amorphix: if linux would subsequently read a floppy, yes |
| 15:48.23 | *** join/#debian bushk (~bushk@ce-aus-153-235.dmisinetworks.net) |
| 15:48.24 | jim | but not for booting |
| 15:48.29 | *** join/#debian Lancelot_ (~netwalker@187.49.63.81.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 15:49.07 | *** join/#debian HarleyG (~HarleyG@82-44-218-103.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 15:49.10 | penguinboy | jim.....it was my blog...i accidently pasted it in the wrong room....that is all |
| 15:49.25 | *** join/#debian blasdufnerb (~fiendomfi@pcp03946321pcs.indstr01.fl.comcast.net) |
| 15:49.41 | try | so jim, should I make a /etc/apt/sources.list.m4? How does that help/work? |
| 15:50.01 | blasdufnerb | try,yes |
| 15:50.11 | amorphix | jim: oh thanks |
| 15:50.21 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: Why doesn't Debian just do this for me? |
| 15:50.28 | jim | try: you can if you want to (a) have a configurable sources.list, !!AND!! (b) want to learn m4 |
| 15:50.31 | cmihai | I know it's not Debian related, but does anyone run vmware ? |
| 15:50.39 | *** join/#debian PeTeRB (~me@80.232.209.146) |
| 15:50.48 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: as above, sometimes the card needs hackage to make it work |
| 15:50.53 | amorphix | i was working on building a root fs yesterday as /tmp/file but it seems to have disappeared today, do files get moved from tmp after booting? |
| 15:50.54 | shingouz | cmihai: some have confessed doing that |
| 15:50.54 | try | do I just write out my sources list to that filename then? I don't want to learn m4, I just want apt-get to work again |
| 15:51.00 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: a default config that would work on 90% of cards would be good, tho |
| 15:51.08 | bob2 | amorphix: deleted, yes |
| 15:51.11 | amorphix | shit |
| 15:51.15 | amorphix | that took me ages |
| 15:51.17 | jim | amorphix: yep, cleaned out on boot |
| 15:51.18 | *** part/#debian blasdufnerb (~fiendomfi@pcp03946321pcs.indstr01.fl.comcast.net) |
| 15:51.22 | amorphix | ;-( |
| 15:51.24 | jim | sorry to hear tghat |
| 15:51.27 | *** join/#debian binghe (~binghe@210.32.156.138) |
| 15:51.34 | bob2 | amorphix: yo ucan just download a rootfs |
| 15:51.49 | amorphix | that might be a hell of a lot quicker, i can tweak it then eh |
| 15:52.17 | bob2 | yes |
| 15:52.23 | bob2 | people.debian.org/~mdz/uml/ |
| 15:52.54 | *** join/#debian Eulex (~alex@h31n1fls33o998.telia.com) |
| 15:52.55 | amorphix | cool |
| 15:52.58 | *** join/#debian jrasmussen0 (~jrasmusse@rrcs-67-52-254-234.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 15:52.59 | amorphix | thanks bob2 |
| 15:53.28 | *** join/#debian Leonardo_Kbelo (~leonardo@leonardo-cabelo-00001.user) |
| 15:53.42 | try | k same error when I have /etc/apt/sources.list.m4 ^_^ |
| 15:53.44 | *** part/#debian Leonardo_Kbelo (~leonardo@leonardo-cabelo-00001.user) |
| 15:53.49 | *** join/#debian petroleum (~hellequin@spc1-bolt4-3-0-cust96.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 15:54.13 | *** join/#debian Theoden (~nobody@c-24-23-197-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 15:54.14 | bob2 | how would m4 magically fix anything? |
| 15:54.37 | try | I don't know, but that's what you guys told me to do, so maybe what's the next step? |
| 15:54.44 | jim | try: so you DO want to learn m4? |
| 15:55.05 | bob2 | wtf |
| 15:55.11 | *** join/#debian www (~miguel@242.Red-83-49-182.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:55.12 | bob2 | try: no, using m4 is pointless and stupid |
| 15:55.14 | *** join/#debian fbf_ (~a@host39-148.pool8249.interbusiness.it) |
| 15:55.20 | *** join/#debian sky_man (stefan@pD9023E32.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:55.23 | jim | try: ok, so maybe not... I made mine for a specific reason |
| 15:55.43 | *** part/#debian www (~miguel@242.Red-83-49-182.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:55.46 | *** join/#debian jteo (~nerant@cm232.gamma229.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 15:55.52 | try | I don't want to learn m4, I just want apt-get to work again |
| 15:56.04 | jim | ok, so you don't want the .m4 |
| 15:56.23 | fbf_ | hi all. How can i say to the cron job updatedb to skip some directories? (for example, other partitions mounted in local fs) |
| 15:56.46 | *** join/#debian positrix (~simon@CPE-138-217-239-198.wa.bigpond.net.au) |
| 15:56.47 | netman1 | cmihai: try xen ;-) |
| 15:56.52 | bob2 | fbf_: edit /etc/updatedb.conf |
| 15:57.41 | *** join/#debian test007 (~fuzzy@c205033.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 15:57.47 | cmihai | netman1: heh, Xen can't do what I want. |
| 15:57.52 | cmihai | QEmu is slow as fsck. |
| 15:57.56 | cmihai | Bosch is crap. |
| 15:58.16 | cbr | vmware |
| 15:58.21 | fbf_ | bob2: PRUNEFS and PRUNEPATHS? |
| 15:58.27 | bob2 | fbf_: I'd assume so |
| 15:58.38 | fbf_ | bob2: ty |
| 15:58.41 | cbr | you can get a serial for vmware with no problem :p |
| 15:58.45 | cmihai | Win4Lin 6 doesn't work with Windows 98, VMWARE doesn't install the sound driver for Windows98, and crap, all I want is to run Final Fantasy 7 :) |
| 15:58.53 | cmihai | And no, I don't want a PS :) |
| 15:59.12 | ttick | cmihai: are you using the kernel patch with Qemu? |
| 15:59.16 | cmihai | And no, i don't think it runs on any other windows (xp). |
| 15:59.22 | cmihai | Nope, I'm not. |
| 15:59.27 | *** join/#debian mdo (~13h7@p508A36FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:59.31 | *** join/#debian aaaa (alec@84-50-164-43-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) |
| 15:59.38 | ttick | I'm told it greatly increases the speed to almost native. |
| 15:59.44 | shingouz | cmihai: get yet another box, install w98 on it and use it as your FF7 box? isn't that the geek solution? |
| 15:59.44 | ttick | Though I've never tried it. |
| 15:59.57 | *** join/#debian HarleyG (~HarleyG@82-44-218-103.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 16:00.03 | cmihai | shingouz: install windows 98 on a _real_ computer ? :) |
| 16:00.05 | cmihai | Evil :) |
| 16:00.38 | mith | where is the /proc or /proc/sys entry to enable the selective OOM killer instead of the default 'kill wtf ever and everything else too' OOM management ;) |
| 16:00.38 | *** join/#debian redtt (~redtt@64.47.104.137) |
| 16:00.38 | *** join/#debian five (~fhs@pool-162-84-154-137.ny5030.east.verizon.net) |
| 16:00.39 | cmihai | I can't even give it a real parition... SATA RAID ... |
| 16:00.40 | shingouz | cmihai: not a real computer, just something that is capable of running FF7. would that not be pretty much any P2 box? |
| 16:00.44 | mith | with 2.6 |
| 16:00.50 | mith | I can't seem to find it at the moment for some reason |
| 16:00.57 | cmihai | shingouz: I guess. |
| 16:01.00 | *** join/#debian topyli (~juha@dsl-hkigw3pa5.dial.inet.fi) |
| 16:01.03 | positrix | i think a new ff7 is in development (old ff7, but with better gfx) you could wait till that comes out??? |
| 16:01.13 | cmihai | Really ? |
| 16:01.14 | cmihai | Cool. |
| 16:01.28 | cmihai | If it is, I'd actually wait, since I'd rather play it nice :) |
| 16:01.44 | redtt | hello I am trying to install deb 31r0a-ia64 on an IBM 64 bit box and am getting a black screen with a single white flashing cursor in the top upper left hand corner... it just hangs... any ideas? |
| 16:02.12 | shingouz | cmihai: i have doom and doom2 on a 486dx4-120 IBM pizza box with maxed out ram. plain ol' dos on it, used only for the doom (yes, i know there is a linux version too but i just happpened to have an unused dx4 here) |
| 16:02.46 | *** join/#debian ninjak (~ninjak@213.140.8.212) |
| 16:03.06 | cmihai | Heh "_ |
| 16:03.24 | cmihai | shingouz: actually, protoboom is better for me |
| 16:03.31 | shingouz | hehe |
| 16:03.40 | *** part/#debian jteo (~nerant@cm232.gamma229.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 16:03.41 | *** join/#debian crogue5 (~none@ip68-99-111-190.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 16:03.51 | cmihai | You can use .wad's from doom, hexen, heretic, tnt, plutonia, etc, _and_ you get OpenGL 3D, better textures (patches), even mouse look, run and JUMP ! |
| 16:03.57 | cmihai | And better sound :) |
| 16:04.15 | cmihai | <- Still playing Doom :) |
| 16:04.17 | shingouz | cmihai: if you think back what the doom specs were, the dx4 is a hot box for that purpose. i do not even want to guess how much the setup would have cost back then |
| 16:04.22 | greycat | using jump in doom 1/2 is cheating, though |
| 16:04.23 | positrix | in my efforts to learn php, i have installed apache and php3. these work fine, however, i cant edit any of the files in /var/www without becoming root. is there a cleaner solution? |
| 16:04.27 | *** join/#debian accel (~accel@wnpgmb01dc2-39-116.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 16:04.36 | *** join/#debian blasdufnerb (~fiendomfi@pcp03946321pcs.indstr01.fl.comcast.net) |
| 16:04.52 | blasdufnerb | everyone join #naruto-kun |
| 16:04.52 | cmihai | But OpenGL is pretty dam sweet :) |
| 16:05.02 | redtt | Is there a more specific channel for 64 bit type questions please/ |
| 16:05.08 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 16:05.09 | positrix | greycat: beating doom2 level 3 in ten seconds is funny though (you jump onto the ledge) |
| 16:05.09 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@pcp03946321pcs.indstr01.fl.comcast.net] by bob2 |
| 16:05.09 | *** part/#debian blasdufnerb (~fiendomfi@pcp03946321pcs.indstr01.fl.comcast.net) |
| 16:05.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 16:05.12 | bob2 | idiot |
| 16:05.15 | jethro | ~lart RFC2307 on aix for sucking like you couldn't imagine |
| 16:05.18 | accel | im playing around with simple PHP Gallery and it requires the GD libraries. I installed libgd-tools and the gallery software still does not detect it |
| 16:05.20 | paulswm | !beer bob2 |
| 16:05.29 | cmihai | I just played Doom3 on Linux.. but it's not the same :( |
| 16:05.40 | bob2 | positrix: a) php3 is insanely old, b) put them in ~/public_html/ and access them as http://localhost/~username/ |
| 16:05.42 | defcon8 | cmihai, wow they have it on lin now? |
| 16:05.57 | try | So without the m4 file, what do I do to fix apt-get? :| |
| 16:06.00 | jim | that was one line... did he flood you personally? |
| 16:06.14 | *** join/#debian smhar (~smhar@217.17.234.146) |
| 16:06.27 | bob2 | no, it's the default reason for auto_bleh |
| 16:06.34 | ricky_clarkson | Gah, my beer is 20 miles away, you git. [paulswm] |
| 16:06.35 | jethro | defcon8: doom3 on linux has been out for a while now. |
| 16:06.36 | positrix | bob2: sorry, i mistyped, i meant php4 |
| 16:06.38 | cmihai | defcon8: sure |
| 16:06.38 | jim | oic |
| 16:06.42 | positrix | bob2: thanks |
| 16:06.43 | defcon8 | cool |
| 16:06.46 | cmihai | Just get it from id's ftp, install the 10MB thing |
| 16:06.47 | *** join/#debian veleno (~veleno@81-208-60-199.fastres.net) |
| 16:06.49 | cmihai | And copy the wad :) |
| 16:07.16 | *** join/#debian calyth (~icechat5@209.112.3.26) |
| 16:07.43 | *** join/#debian shiyee (~Shiyee@0x535c9d36.abnxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 16:08.18 | *** join/#debian hingwah (~hingwah@221.127.237.33) |
| 16:08.22 | redtt | hello is there a deb channel that is more inline with 64 bit please? |
| 16:08.33 | bob2 | maybe #debian-ia64 |
| 16:08.37 | redtt | thanks |
| 16:08.37 | bob2 | I'd try the list, myself |
| 16:08.39 | zinx | there's a #debian-amd64 |
| 16:08.46 | zinx | which is more likely to be useful than ia64 |
| 16:08.53 | zinx | since ia64 is all but dead :) |
| 16:09.03 | pwned | all but dead means is not dead. |
| 16:09.08 | RichiH | for a good reason, also |
| 16:09.17 | try | So without the m4 file, what do I do to fix apt-get? :| |
| 16:09.27 | zinx | pwned: some early adopters are locked in |
| 16:09.34 | zinx | pwned: i'm sure they're not happy about it |
| 16:09.40 | jim | try: I didn't see what's wrong |
| 16:09.45 | jim | what did bob2 say? |
| 16:10.02 | bob2 | the problem is a whack libmng-dev |
| 16:10.11 | *** join/#debian tell (tell@177pc210.sshunet.nl) |
| 16:10.18 | try | I'll paste the error in #flood |
| 16:10.21 | *** join/#debian nanok (~nanok@82.76.176.90) |
| 16:10.32 | jim | try: you're running stable? |
| 16:10.55 | try | yes |
| 16:10.59 | tell | hi, im trying to compile a new kernel but i receive an error message: scripts/mod/modpost.c:318: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault. what could be wrong? |
| 16:11.11 | greycat | !sig11 |
| 16:11.11 | dpkg | sig11 is, like, Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 16:11.31 | *** join/#debian adrian_ (~adrian@gateway.polarcom.com) |
| 16:11.44 | accel | !libgd |
| 16:11.54 | asuffield | "outside its segment"? what numbskull wrote that? |
| 16:12.36 | greycat | an x86-using one, I presume |
| 16:12.44 | asuffield | it's not right on x86 either |
| 16:12.57 | *** join/#debian bonez39 (~aint@drjones.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 16:13.04 | calyth | SoftRAID with 2.6.8 and mdadm: I'd like to mirror a whole drive (instead of partitions), and be able to boot off it using GRUB. Do I just follow very similar to convert a non-raid to raid1 by creating a degraded md0 drive, fdisk it, put a file system on it, copy the old data over, and boot? or is there some other instruction somewhere? The software raid HOWTO is no help cause it's stick with raidtools |
| 16:13.15 | smhar | hi everybody.. |
| 16:13.26 | *** part/#debian RichiH (richih@richih.staff.freenode) |
| 16:13.26 | *** join/#debian RichiH (richih@richih.staff.freenode) |
| 16:13.40 | *** join/#debian bomex (~bomex@82.147.44.65) |
| 16:13.48 | adrian_ | I need some help, i can get the debian installer to boot from the scsi-cd-rom, but once it's booted it can't mount the cd. I'm not sure what i need to do. please point me in the right direction. |
| 16:13.59 | simonrvn | calyth: read the newer raid howto, that's the older one |
| 16:14.06 | bob2 | adrian_: try #debian-boot |
| 16:14.22 | adrian_ | thanks bob. |
| 16:14.53 | *** part/#debian adrian15_grub (~alumnes@talarn.udl.es) |
| 16:15.14 | smhar | I run debian testing since that was sarge.. using netinstall.. what do I need to do to keep my distro at testing.. I mean 'upgrade' to etch |
| 16:15.18 | calyth | simonrvn: where's the newer one? I don't see it in tldp |
| 16:15.21 | *** join/#debian grub_super_disk (~alumnes@talarn.udl.es) |
| 16:15.28 | simonrvn | calyth: under the first one |
| 16:15.34 | *** join/#debian kzm (~ketil@133.80-202-98.nextgentel.com) |
| 16:15.59 | accel | smhar apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:16.10 | bob2 | wtf |
| 16:16.16 | bob2 | try: those packages are screwed |
| 16:16.18 | cmihai | I wonder if microsoft is willing to replace my Windows 95 OSR 2 cd :) |
| 16:16.32 | accel | what do i have to install to make GD work |
| 16:16.33 | cmihai | It's scratched... And I need it for FF7 :) |
| 16:16.42 | positrix | oops. i just chmod 644 -R my_home_directory an now i cant get into my own directories. |
| 16:17.01 | furrywolf | positrix: chmod them back? |
| 16:17.02 | asuffield | who the hell plays ff7 on windows? buy a playstation, the way it was meant to be |
| 16:17.02 | try | ok, what do I do about it? I don't care about installing that anymore, I just want to get apt-get to work again. |
| 16:17.02 | tobs | lol |
| 16:17.03 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 16:17.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 16:17.05 | raf256 | anyone played Dune2 on linux? like using dosemu? where to get it... underdogs.org? |
| 16:17.26 | greycat | positrix: find /home/you -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; |
| 16:17.26 | Toastee | mmm ancient rts |
| 16:17.29 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (~DimmuR@cbb19.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 16:17.36 | bob2 | try: what did you have in your sources.list that you've now removed? |
| 16:17.38 | greycat | positrix: even that's not perfect. |
| 16:17.57 | asuffield | greycat: 'chmod -R +X whatever' is shorter |
| 16:17.58 | cmihai | I love old games :) |
| 16:17.59 | *** join/#debian caspercba (~ksper@amiel.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) |
| 16:18.00 | *** join/#debian slabing (~slabing@helium.prodar.com.br) |
| 16:18.07 | greycat | !wikifaq positrix Permissions |
| 16:18.09 | dpkg | positrix: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:18.11 | *** join/#debian Kane32 (~jojo@p549B2A6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:18.14 | *** join/#debian jonkri_ (~jon@84.217.33.149) |
| 16:18.18 | jonkri_ | where are the mail stored? |
| 16:18.23 | try | nothing, i haven't done anything to my sources list except write it out to m4. the normal version's still there though |
| 16:18.24 | greycat | asuffield: you missed your smiley... |
| 16:18.25 | tobs | /var/mail? |
| 16:18.26 | jonkri_ | recieved mail, before they're read |
| 16:18.28 | greycat | jonkri_: /var/mail by default |
| 16:18.33 | jonkri_ | tobs, greycat thanks |
| 16:18.35 | cmihai | Beneath a Steel Sky is cool :) It's in debian also :) |
| 16:18.36 | *** part/#debian jonkri_ (~jon@84.217.33.149) |
| 16:18.38 | *** join/#debian Sereal (~justin@fctnnbsch17-156034230134.nb.aliant.net) |
| 16:18.43 | bob2 | and fucking huge |
| 16:18.44 | asuffield | greycat: I don't feel very smiley :P |
| 16:18.46 | bob2 | and hard |
| 16:18.54 | asuffield | and kinda dull |
| 16:19.24 | *** join/#debian snoke (~snoke@dna237-192.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi) |
| 16:19.59 | *** join/#debian meppl (~mephisto@p54AADBEA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:20.39 | *** join/#debian jrloki (~loki@p5083F13A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:20.45 | Sereal | Hi, i'm trying to set up xchat on debian but I have ran into a few problems when trying to compile one of the things I need, pango. It says glib is needed, but I have it installed. |
| 16:21.09 | furrywolf | Sereal: do you have the -dev package? |
| 16:21.20 | greycat | Sereal: libglib1.2-dev |
| 16:21.23 | jim | Sereal: libs are split into runtime and compiletime parts |
| 16:21.37 | caspercba | !hello |
| 16:21.38 | dpkg | Hi, caspercba! |
| 16:21.42 | Sereal | okay, so do a apt-get install libglib1.2-dev? |
| 16:21.47 | caspercba | !how you doing? |
| 16:21.51 | tobs | O_o |
| 16:21.55 | jim | you need both, including <greycat> Sereal: libglib1.2-dev |
| 16:22.00 | bob2 | Sereal: you know xchat is in Debian, right? |
| 16:22.01 | slabing | Someone can help with RAID-1? |
| 16:22.20 | intension | !hi |
| 16:22.20 | dpkg | hello, intension |
| 16:22.25 | *** join/#debian tell (tell@177pc210.sshunet.nl) |
| 16:22.30 | Sereal | No I didn't know xchat is in debian :P but I figured I would compile the latest verson. |
| 16:22.39 | cmihai | apt-get into it :P |
| 16:22.41 | jim | Sereal: that's a good point... why not apt-get install xchat |
| 16:22.47 | intension | i hear ppl complaining about cpanel , how about plesk ? |
| 16:22.58 | Sereal | Might as well. |
| 16:23.07 | nanok | Sereal: you have to get used to apt-cache search before you get the idea of compiling... |
| 16:23.15 | jim | Sereal: it better be in there... sarge is 14 CDs fgs |
| 16:23.29 | *** join/#debian icub3d (~jmarsh@67.137.192.66) |
| 16:23.37 | bob2 | people care way too much about xchat |
| 16:23.49 | tell | i have 2 ram-memory cards on my motherboard, one ddr333 in the first slot, one ddr400 in the second. is this allright? (memory does work according to ms windows) |
| 16:23.50 | cmihai | irssi ...that's all you need ;) |
| 16:23.53 | nanok | after you get used to that, you will forget about cache search and use apt-get install instead.. :) couse you will come to _assume" it is in debian, if you heard of it :) |
| 16:23.54 | Sereal | there xchat compiled. |
| 16:24.04 | *** join/#debian davix__ (~lama@85-64-146-39.barak-online.net) |
| 16:24.05 | cmihai | tell: both should work at 333. |
| 16:24.07 | ricky_clarkson | XChat's handy when you're on Windows. |
| 16:24.11 | *** join/#debian hoe__ (~hoe@213.151.236.77) |
| 16:24.27 | Sereal | Well I like bitchx, but I find it more simple to talk with windows and junk. |
| 16:24.38 | *** join/#debian zinosat (~Davide@host52-121.pool8258.interbusiness.it) |
| 16:24.43 | cmihai | ricky_clarkson: unless you ssh to a unix box, screen -r and go back to irssi :) |
| 16:24.50 | tobs | gogo irssi |
| 16:24.50 | drac | ricky_clarkson: Any SSH client or better yet Debian Installation CD is handy when you're on windows. |
| 16:24.55 | drac | :d |
| 16:24.56 | tell | cmihai : should i replace the ddr333 with a ddr400? |
| 16:25.03 | cmihai | tell: no... |
| 16:25.05 | greycat | drac: and pain killers. |
| 16:25.12 | *** join/#debian Kaishi (Kaishi@dyn-213-36-150-23.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 16:25.14 | simonrvn | or roll-your-own debian live CD |
| 16:25.15 | positrix | cmihai {irssi BitchX erc riece gaim xchat myriad-other-irc-clients} is all you really need. |
| 16:25.17 | tobs | tell: you could, but your motherboard should have a setting of what frequency your ram runs at |
| 16:25.17 | cmihai | It's ok, both should work, only at the same speed as the lowest speed... ram module. |
| 16:25.26 | jim | you could... if you do, then you should be able to run at 400 |
| 16:25.34 | Sereal | One more question. How do I get more resoultions for X? 800x600 isn't really very convient. |
| 16:25.38 | tell | tobs : i believe it has |
| 16:25.42 | tobs | tell: so unless your motherboard automatically configures ram speed, you might have to bump it up manually |
| 16:25.43 | *** join/#debian oguz (~oguz@81.215.248.110) |
| 16:25.50 | *** part/#debian Jordam23 (~edersg@200.251.136.67) |
| 16:25.54 | Sereal | I have a radeon 9800pro. |
| 16:25.55 | tobs | tell: most motherboards do, so you could.. but you might not get any real performance gain |
| 16:25.58 | *** join/#debian moty66 (~moty6666@host82-8.pool80181.interbusiness.it) |
| 16:26.05 | *** join/#debian ErNi_ (a@1-OVIE-X11.libre.retevision.es) |
| 16:26.16 | tell | ok, not worth 30euro's |
| 16:26.18 | tell | :) |
| 16:26.20 | tobs | ;p |
| 16:26.33 | cmihai | Not really. DDR400 ain't no big gain over 333. |
| 16:26.42 | moty66 | how can i reconfigure sendmail after upgrading it by apt, i have lost the old configuration file and the smtp dues not accept authentication. |
| 16:27.03 | *** join/#debian _MoDaX_ (advplc@lan-71-78.skynet.lt) |
| 16:27.08 | simonrvn | get your backups out |
| 16:27.08 | jim | more ram is more gain, much more than the 66mhz fs bus speed |
| 16:27.20 | positrix | Sereal you could manualy edit /etc/X11/XFree86config but a wizard might be better for you |
| 16:27.37 | tobs | heh |
| 16:27.38 | *** join/#debian VivekVC (~user@202.83.41.158) |
| 16:27.47 | tobs | ram is getting cheaper and cheaper by the day |
| 16:27.51 | *** join/#debian eeg3_ (~eeg@user-2ivfg8t.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 16:27.53 | Sereal | Okay, so I need to mess with the config file. |
| 16:27.53 | tobs | $155 for a 2gb stick of pc3200, wee |
| 16:27.55 | *** join/#debian sewi (~sewi@ambient.po.opole.pl) |
| 16:27.56 | m_ | quality wise? |
| 16:27.58 | cmihai | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:28.01 | *** join/#debian Kbyte (~nontelado@host212-114.pool8255.interbusiness.it) |
| 16:28.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 840] by debhelper |
| 16:28.07 | tobs | m_: that too |
| 16:28.19 | Sereal | 30cnd for 256ddr. |
| 16:28.19 | cmihai | You can just do that. If you configure it by hand, dpkg bitches about it. |
| 16:28.24 | ricky_clarkson | cmihai: That's what I do. |
| 16:28.27 | m_ | oh |
| 16:28.39 | Sereal | Whats the wizard command? |
| 16:28.39 | ricky_clarkson | drac: Not all Windows boxes are configured to allow booting from CD. |
| 16:28.42 | cmihai | md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >| /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 16:28.42 | tell | i have bought a sempron 2500+ today, working at 1750Mhz, 333Mhz fsb on mb, and the memory mentoined above, 512 mb. |
| 16:28.45 | tobs | what is cnd to usd? |
| 16:28.47 | cmihai | You can do that after to stop it from bitching. |
| 16:28.54 | cmihai | Sereal: look up. |
| 16:28.56 | cmihai | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:29.09 | Sereal | oops, missed that, thanks. |
| 16:29.37 | *** join/#debian freek (~freek@dD5775F65.access.telenet.be) |
| 16:29.44 | *** join/#debian green_earz (~peter@213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) |
| 16:31.18 | *** part/#debian freek (~freek@dD5775F65.access.telenet.be) |
| 16:31.20 | *** join/#debian helix (~e@helix.user) |
| 16:31.27 | *** join/#debian deeku (~apple@S0106000c41e4774f.cg.shawcable.net) |
| 16:31.29 | *** part/#debian Sereal (~justin@fctnnbsch17-156034230134.nb.aliant.net) |
| 16:31.31 | *** join/#debian freewoody (~bill@202.79.52.173) |
| 16:31.43 | moty66 | simonp, how to get the backup out, I have copied all the directory mail.old/* to /etc/mail/ and I have orver write all of files, but i still cant authenticate to smtp |
| 16:32.56 | *** join/#debian gdub (~gdub@d207-81-76-176.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 16:33.46 | *** join/#debian gazoo (~norely@d209-89-81-142.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 16:36.22 | *** join/#debian characte1 (~lsmith@192.135.141.99) |
| 16:36.24 | positrix | ... thats so depressing... i ran fetchmail for the first time in 4 days, and i just see all these accounts scroll by with no new messages... im all alone |
| 16:36.27 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 16:36.35 | *** join/#debian mar_garina__ (~mar_garin@85-65-133-229.barak-online.net) |
| 16:36.40 | freewoody | How do I play wmv movies in Debain |
| 16:36.51 | greycat | !debain |
| 16:36.52 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 16:36.54 | asg | freewoody: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 16:37.17 | jim | you mean... it wasmn't Ain Murdoch?? |
| 16:37.20 | *** join/#debian PeTeRB (~me@80.232.209.146) |
| 16:37.37 | positrix | freewoody: a) is that even possible b) why on earth would you want to? |
| 16:38.10 | *** part/#debian calyth (~icechat5@209.112.3.26) |
| 16:38.12 | *** join/#debian chk- (~chk-@203.210.150.42) |
| 16:38.25 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: "With employer" |
| 16:38.29 | ricky_clarkson | [instead of mplayer] |
| 16:38.43 | cmihai | Oh, heck, all you need is "win32codecs" |
| 16:38.49 | cmihai | But I suggest cheaper pr0n. Comes in nice mpeg files. |
| 16:39.01 | intension | positrix tell #debian your email adress ? |
| 16:39.14 | freewoody | Well I needed to play some wmv files on Debian |
| 16:39.31 | cmihai | So get "win32codecs" (mplayerhq.hu iirc). |
| 16:39.37 | valdyn | freewoody: with any move player that can use directly or indirectly win32 codecs, which is most ( or all i know of except totem-gstreamer ) |
| 16:39.53 | greycat | cmihai: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 16:40.07 | greycat | w32codecs - win32 binary codecs |
| 16:40.09 | cmihai | greycat: why me? I already have that. Tell freewoody |
| 16:40.21 | greycat | because you included some domain name in your response |
| 16:40.33 | cmihai | lol :) |
| 16:40.38 | *** join/#debian opioid (~karl@pcp08896855pcs.hcksrd01.tn.comcast.net) |
| 16:40.50 | cmihai | Hehe |
| 16:41.01 | cmihai | Neh, I got the .deb myselft. |
| 16:41.01 | greycat | it's usually easier to correct the people who are giving slightly wrong advice, than to try to decipher the needs of the newbies asking the questions.... |
| 16:41.21 | bob2 | it'd be great if people learnt to state their situation and aim |
| 16:41.24 | *** join/#debian thingfish (~mark@dialup-4.245.45.38.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) |
| 16:41.32 | bob2 | instead of telling long stories about their broken half-baked attempted solution |
| 16:42.00 | *** join/#debian acez (~acez@p549D56E3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:42.22 | positrix | intension: positrix@gmail.com |
| 16:42.49 | *** part/#debian moty66 (~moty6666@host82-8.pool80181.interbusiness.it) |
| 16:43.18 | cmihai | Looks like it's actually "w32codecs" and not "win32codecs"... bloody renaming :) |
| 16:43.23 | *** join/#debian alfatau (~alfatau@81-208-74-187.fastres.net) |
| 16:43.57 | greycat | cmihai: "apt-cache search win 32 codecs" found it easily enough. |
| 16:44.07 | cmihai | Yep, I know. |
| 16:44.46 | positrix | bob2: we could always direct any question asker to www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 16:45.03 | bob2 | yeah |
| 16:45.05 | cmihai | positrix: that never works. |
| 16:45.13 | cmihai | But at least we feel better. |
| 16:45.15 | bob2 | esr's combination of technical brilliance and politeness will solve all our problems |
| 16:45.22 | bob2 | oh wait, no, he's a cock |
| 16:45.23 | *** join/#debian mr_clark (~mrclark@S01060050da12f450.ok.shawcable.net) |
| 16:45.24 | *** join/#debian larard_ (~tom@69.182.111.222.adsl.snet.net) |
| 16:45.31 | bob2 | tho some of that advice is good |
| 16:45.39 | alfatau | hi, is there a way to discover which is the mainboard on a debian box? |
| 16:45.40 | cmihai | Prolly stole it. |
| 16:45.46 | cmihai | Erm... I mean, "documented" it. |
| 16:45.48 | greycat | alfatau: open the case, peer inside. |
| 16:45.54 | ricky_clarkson | positrix: Maybe we should point questioners to #debian-questions and answerers to #debian-answerers! That'd /work/! |
| 16:45.58 | *** join/#debian Momow (momo@caligula.rezel.enst.fr) |
| 16:46.02 | jim | alfatau: it]' |
| 16:46.08 | jim | alfatau: its the biggest one |
| 16:46.14 | larard_ | Okay, how does one know which device to mount once one adds a usb drive? Currently I end up running through all the scsi names I can think of! |
| 16:46.36 | larard_ | dmesg doesn't seem to help me locate the device name. |
| 16:46.38 | cmihai | ricky_clarkson: might as well put questions in /dev/null and take answers from /dev/zero. |
| 16:46.59 | cmihai | Or urandom. Wichever. Same result. |
| 16:47.00 | ricky_clarkson | /dev/urandom is more interesting. |
| 16:47.05 | bob2 | larard_: you normally let gnome-volume-manager andfriends do it for you |
| 16:47.36 | alfatau | greycat & jim: cool, but i asked because i have not direct access to the server. i can access to it only from remote ssh connection having the root account. |
| 16:47.45 | larard_ | bob2: anything else? I don't use the gui for this. |
| 16:48.02 | greycat | alfatau: then you can't. |
| 16:48.18 | bob2 | larard: you could write your own daemon to do it |
| 16:48.24 | accel | how do i reconfigure php4 properly to include the libgd |
| 16:48.42 | *** join/#debian adjacent (~scott@office.bftwave.com) |
| 16:48.53 | *** join/#debian kioto (~kioto@213-156-52-109.fastres.net) |
| 16:48.57 | greycat | arc1:~$ apt-cache search --names-only php4 gd |
| 16:48.57 | greycat | php4-gd - GD module for php4 |
| 16:49.01 | greycat | NEXT! |
| 16:49.02 | kioto | wow |
| 16:49.12 | larard | bob2: Oh, yeah, the Linux approach :) |
| 16:49.24 | cmihai | It's probably some sda1 thing for example. |
| 16:49.25 | kioto | hi all |
| 16:49.32 | alfatau | greycat: the only way is opening the case?? in my laptop i can view some system info by acpi, but there, no acpi or apm enabled. |
| 16:49.33 | accel | THANK YOU GREYCAT |
| 16:49.36 | *** part/#debian freewoody (~bill@202.79.52.173) |
| 16:49.40 | kioto | i'm kioto there is my first time in this chan |
| 16:49.42 | bob2 | larard: don't know of anything that does what you're asking |
| 16:49.44 | kioto | good day to all |
| 16:50.02 | *** join/#debian bn` (~bn@p54A9E3B1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:50.18 | larard | bob2: Thanks anyway |
| 16:50.50 | cmihai | larard: it should tell you what it is on connect/disconnect... (dmesg) ... if not, it's probably /dev/sda1, or sdb1 or whatever |
| 16:51.21 | stew | larard: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 16:52.01 | *** join/#debian SamBC (~sdb@thelabyrinth.force9.co.uk) |
| 16:52.19 | *** join/#debian xst (~xst@port265.ds1-vbr.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 16:52.24 | accel | greycat how do you make it so installing php4-gd wont install xfree also |
| 16:52.26 | xst | How do I "mv" a file named "-"? |
| 16:52.27 | *** join/#debian cdc (balaji@59.92.37.190) |
| 16:52.35 | cdc | hey |
| 16:52.37 | accel | use ' |
| 16:52.41 | *** join/#debian adjacent_ (~scott@office.bftwave.com) |
| 16:52.45 | *** join/#debian flo (flo@i52902F58.versanet.de) |
| 16:52.50 | *** join/#debian zinx (~zinx@adsl-220-194-243.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 16:52.50 | accel | mv '-' crap |
| 16:52.58 | larard | cmihai: It is, but every time I disconnet and reconnect I get a different name... |
| 16:53.02 | cdc | hey |
| 16:53.07 | larard | stew: taking a look thanks |
| 16:53.07 | *** part/#debian alfatau (~alfatau@81-208-74-187.fastres.net) |
| 16:53.31 | *** join/#debian character (~lsmith@192.135.141.99) |
| 16:53.37 | bob2 | accel: it doesn't install xfree |
| 16:53.42 | bob2 | accel: it installs a small portion of it |
| 16:53.43 | xst | accel: Doesn't work. Actually the filename is of the type "- someText" |
| 16:53.55 | accel | oh ok thanks |
| 16:54.11 | xst | The - is still interpretted as a "--someOption" |
| 16:54.21 | accel | i just see this and xfree86-common freak :P |
| 16:54.45 | *** join/#debian Faithful (~Faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 16:54.59 | *** join/#debian hellz (~hellz@61.11.18.83) |
| 16:55.00 | jim | try ./-<tab> |
| 16:55.00 | SamBC | right, I'm sure my question isn't in the FAQ... |
| 16:55.16 | bob2 | no |
| 16:55.16 | SamBC | X/mouse-devices/xmodmap question coming up... |
| 16:55.19 | bob2 | foo -- -bar |
| 16:55.25 | Phated | xst: mv -- \-\ someText somethingelse |
| 16:56.03 | *** join/#debian duncf (~duncf@duncf.committer.apache) |
| 16:56.12 | cmihai | larard: erm... cool :) And dmesg doesn't say anything when you recconect it? |
| 16:56.16 | hellz | hi, i intend to design a simple web based front end for tc and tcng, i need ur suggestions which way should i procedd, webmin like or application type |
| 16:56.18 | SamBC | I have a synaptics touchpad that doesn't natively generate any button 2 events, just 1, 3-7. |
| 16:56.28 | hellz | it should be remotely configurable etc |
| 16:56.29 | SamBC | xmodmap -pp says there's 12 buttons |
| 16:56.33 | SamBC | (sounds mad) |
| 16:56.36 | hellz | and it will run sarge |
| 16:57.04 | SamBC | but xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 2 2 8 9 10 11 12' doesn't work |
| 16:57.14 | *** join/#debian xinming (~xinming@60.180.83.180) |
| 16:57.35 | SamBC | gives the error: X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 16:57.35 | SamBC | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.35 | SamBC | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.35 | SamBC | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.35 | SamBC | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.35 | *** kick/#debian [SamBC!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 16:57.48 | *** join/#debian SamBC (~sdb@thelabyrinth.force9.co.uk) |
| 16:57.55 | SamBC | and that's a sensitive flood detection... |
| 16:57.58 | cmihai | www.pastebin.com SamBC. Or #flood |
| 16:58.01 | *** join/#debian tweak (tweak@66-189-202-34.dhcp.ykma.wa.charter.com) |
| 16:58.02 | *** join/#debian J_P (jp@200.146.37.219) |
| 16:58.07 | SamBC | cmihai, thanks |
| 16:58.12 | tweak | anybody know what this could mean when I try to start munin-node? Starting munin-node: ./munin-node: line 95: 3219 Segmentation fault start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON |
| 16:58.15 | SamBC | in any case, anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:58.17 | J_P | hi all |
| 16:58.22 | *** join/#debian Diblo_Dk (~privat@83.72.32.142.ip.tele2adsl.dk) |
| 16:58.38 | jim | !any ideas |
| 16:58.39 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and 42 three-legged dairy cows. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 16:58.46 | tweak | !thanks |
| 16:59.01 | greycat | tweak: seg fault == bug. or bad hardware, but bug is more likely. |
| 16:59.18 | tweak | greycat I apt-get removed and apt-get installed it again but still problem. |
| 16:59.23 | *** join/#debian armando (~armando@201.128.199.168) |
| 16:59.31 | valdyn | tweak: purge it |
| 16:59.39 | tweak | valdyn sorry what does that mean? |
| 16:59.52 | greycat | tweak: so it still has a bug. |
| 17:00.05 | cdc | i have installed Gnome 2.8 and when i apply some themes and when i right click on the Desktop i dont see any wordings on the right clicked menu i just get a white line . This happens on some themes |
| 17:00.08 | greycat | (WHY are people so stupid/) |
| 17:00.10 | cdc | what could be the problem? |
| 17:00.16 | valdyn | tweak: man apt-get or man dpkg or man aptitude ( whatever you use ) |
| 17:00.30 | greycat | valdyn: how will that resolve his segmentation fault problem? |
| 17:00.39 | ricky_clarkson | tweak: It means you found a bug. |
| 17:00.48 | *** part/#debian kioto (~kioto@213-156-52-109.fastres.net) |
| 17:00.48 | stew | cdc: i'd guess the theme is trying to use a font you don't have installed |
| 17:00.50 | *** join/#debian hellz (~hellz@61.11.18.83) |
| 17:00.50 | *** join/#debian fike (~Fernando@200-161-1-73.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 17:01.00 | tweak | how can I tell if its hardware problems? My game server crashes randomly also. |
| 17:01.02 | *** join/#debian otroean (~oystein@ti531210a080-1527.bb.online.no) |
| 17:01.10 | stew | tweak: run memtest |
| 17:01.21 | tweak | server is 300 miles away. |
| 17:01.29 | J_P | people, anyone are running debian sarge kernel 2.6 fine in motherboard intel D915GEV ? |
| 17:01.34 | furrywolf | tweak: what motherboard? |
| 17:01.42 | valdyn | greycat: well its a segfault, i cant even know what the error is, so sure not if purging will fix it. |
| 17:01.45 | tweak | msi neo2 865 |
| 17:02.20 | valdyn | tweak: compile something large |
| 17:02.20 | cdc | stew, i installed Clear Looks and this happened |
| 17:02.32 | cdc | and it also happens in the default themes provided by Gnome itself |
| 17:02.41 | valdyn | tweak: like a kernel, if it fails, its quite likely a hardware problem. |
| 17:02.41 | tweak | valdyn that doesnt sounds fun. |
| 17:02.52 | cdc | but this does not happen in all themes some themes it happens is this a bug in Gnome ? |
| 17:02.53 | valdyn | tweak: its very few work for you |
| 17:03.00 | *** join/#debian hoover (~jelque@adsl-67-66-120-248.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) |
| 17:03.20 | tweak | valdyn when I try to compile a kernel if fails no matter what I have never had a compile go all the way. |
| 17:03.46 | *** join/#debian lilliput (~Touriste@82-47-146-158.cable.ubr11.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 17:03.49 | valdyn | tweak: then you *do* have a hardware problem ( except you didnt install build-essential or somesuch ) |
| 17:03.56 | lilliput | hello |
| 17:04.05 | armando | Anyone help with top edge xscreen error in Woody |
| 17:04.07 | *** join/#debian Isumi (~Isumi@140.77.128.120) |
| 17:04.07 | lilliput | got a really big pb with mysql .. |
| 17:04.25 | tweak | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.34 | tweak | oh build |
| 17:04.40 | *** join/#debian Choubaka (choubaka@ihme.org) |
| 17:04.42 | valdyn | tweak: "internal compiler error" is a hardware fault more often than a compiler bug ( assuming you use a stable compiler ) |
| 17:04.43 | ciaron | anyone here use a windows vnc client attached to vncserver? and can get copy/paste to work? |
| 17:04.44 | *** join/#debian Pepper (~Pepper@pc057-adsl.adsl.uni-klu.ac.at) |
| 17:04.47 | wintix | is it possible to have multiple mail accounts in thunderbird each using its own smtp server? |
| 17:04.54 | *** join/#debian abrotman (~abrotman@ip67-93-222-40.z222-93-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 17:05.05 | paulswm | wintix: yes |
| 17:05.14 | paulswm | I have three |
| 17:05.20 | tweak | it is a 3.0 ghz overclocked to 3.6 maybe thats a problem? |
| 17:05.21 | *** join/#debian pipe (~pipe@c83-248-111-30.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 17:05.24 | stew | tweak: sounds like bad memory (or maybe overheating) |
| 17:05.29 | valdyn | tweak: likely. |
| 17:05.36 | *** join/#debian blynker (~root@157.Red-217-125-97.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:05.36 | paulswm | tweak: Yes, that is probably the problem IMO |
| 17:05.37 | armando | hello Is anyone still running Woody? |
| 17:05.38 | stew | tweak: oh, yeah its probably overheating |
| 17:05.40 | wintix | paulswm: but how? with the advanced settings in the smtp-server-menu? |
| 17:05.45 | *** join/#debian sleypy (~jperry@netd510-5.uncfsu.edu) |
| 17:05.45 | tweak | its not overheating for sure |
| 17:05.47 | tweak | I have sensors on it |
| 17:05.47 | asg | armando: of course |
| 17:05.56 | tweak | and its in air conditioned room. |
| 17:05.56 | cmihai | Don't overclock. |
| 17:06.06 | armando | I have a problem one one computer with woody |
| 17:06.08 | valdyn | tweak: it doesnt need to overheat to produce faults |
| 17:06.09 | lilliput | I never setup mysql server and now when I try to change mysql root password or access to mysql prompt I don't have a valid pwd |
| 17:06.14 | armando | this one is great |
| 17:06.17 | cmihai | Go to you bios, reset to the defaults, reset to regular memory timing, do a memtest 86 and some stress tests... |
| 17:06.18 | wintix | paulswm: ah. got it. hmk. thx |
| 17:06.19 | abrotman | use a real DB :) |
| 17:06.20 | armando | asg |
| 17:06.20 | *** join/#debian mikey (~mikey@62.240.162.142) |
| 17:06.33 | cmihai | OverClocking is stupid (TM). And useless. Really. |
| 17:06.40 | *** part/#debian tweak (tweak@66-189-202-34.dhcp.ykma.wa.charter.com) |
| 17:06.50 | asg | lilliput: did you set an initial root password as instructed in the README? |
| 17:06.55 | armando | i have a missing top edge entering kde or gnome |
| 17:07.01 | valdyn | tweak: and aside that, your temprature sensor is only a helper, it has no fucking idea about the true temperature ( b/c its varies greately across the cpu die ) |
| 17:07.15 | positrix | cmihai: especially when you're only getting about 1-2% cpu usage |
| 17:07.29 | lilliput | asg you mean this file /usr/share/doc/mysql-common-4.1/README.Debian ? |
| 17:07.33 | cmihai | And 1-2% true performance gain... |
| 17:07.36 | paulswm | wintix: just 'New account..." on the File menu, or edit accounts with the "Account settings..." on the Edit menu |
| 17:07.41 | armando | How can i reinstall xserver |
| 17:07.56 | paulswm | wintix: Oh wait a minute |
| 17:07.59 | *** part/#debian xst (~xst@port265.ds1-vbr.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 17:08.11 | *** join/#debian trc (~trc@20.228.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 17:08.16 | asg | lilliput: one of those, maybe the mysql-server package |
| 17:08.32 | stew | armando: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 17:08.46 | *** join/#debian kzm (~ketil@133.80-202-98.nextgentel.com) |
| 17:09.06 | cmihai | Overclocking a Barton 2600+ at 3200, the RAM timings, the Video Card, riced out Gentoo, riser4 everywhere, RAID-0, etc.... tuned out Doom3, etc only got me 5 fps more over vanilla Debian. |
| 17:09.07 | armando | thank you stew |
| 17:09.18 | *** join/#debian flo (~konversat@i3ED6DA6D.versanet.de) |
| 17:09.21 | paulswm | wintix: you mean outgoing smtp server, I'm sorry, .... |
| 17:09.28 | *** join/#debian raz0 (raz0@0x535e9f0c.kd4nxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 17:09.31 | cmihai | Getting 512 more RAM got me 10. ==> overclocking == useless. |
| 17:09.34 | armando | no dot before the /msg |
| 17:09.37 | armando | ?? |
| 17:09.54 | Faithful | Anyone have experience with http://backuppc.sourceforge.net ??? |
| 17:09.56 | armando | ohh ill try both |
| 17:09.59 | stew | !tell armando about set up x |
| 17:10.16 | *** join/#debian medhunter (~medsub@81.10.36.112) |
| 17:10.32 | kooll | cmihai: buying a new graphic card is much more useful ... (if you have a lot of money :) ) |
| 17:10.40 | lilliput | asg, mysqladmin -u root password 'root' -> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' |
| 17:10.54 | lilliput | there is already a password that I don't know |
| 17:10.55 | paulswm | wintix: And yes, you can do that with advanced on the outgoing smtp server box in edit / account settings, but I have never tried it |
| 17:11.10 | jim | kooll: but it's not really useful to buy a video card that doesn't work for the operating systems you run... |
| 17:11.38 | cmihai | Yeah. I mean, I see people getting water coolers for like 100$ just to overclock. |
| 17:11.41 | *** join/#debian lamp_ (~lamp@d515245EA.access.telenet.be) |
| 17:11.46 | cmihai | It's not even stupid. It's BRAINDEAD. |
| 17:11.52 | pipe | But they don't get it to get a faster computer |
| 17:11.58 | asg | lilliput: /msg dpkg forgot mysql root password |
| 17:12.00 | pipe | They get it so they can watch it and masturbate. |
| 17:12.07 | kooll | jim: well, if you are ready to run proprietary software (and he run doom3), you can use nvidia pilots, for example |
| 17:12.09 | ricky_clarkson | They're 1337. They are ideal 63n700 lusers. |
| 17:12.09 | pipe | And tell their friends how cool system they have. |
| 17:12.12 | ricky_clarkson | [gentoo] |
| 17:12.26 | stew | you guys are talking about the usefulness of getting a few more fps out of doom? hint, its not at all useful |
| 17:12.29 | positrix | jim: was the Voodoo2 the last video card to work properly under linux, or did someone make another one? |
| 17:12.43 | cbr | what's the most minimal way to have a kde installation? without too much necessary packages? apt-get install kde kinda pulls in too much? or not? |
| 17:13.15 | kooll | stew: it depend... from 20 to 30 is useful, from 120 to 130 isn't ... |
| 17:13.22 | *** join/#debian fike (~Fernando@200-161-0-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 17:13.47 | paulswm | I've never seen anyone use "minimal" and "kde" in the same sentence before. |
| 17:14.13 | pipe | :) |
| 17:14.20 | positrix | cbr: apt-get install kde-core ? |
| 17:14.20 | cmihai | NVIDIA's work pretty good actually. |
| 17:14.21 | Eulex | hehe |
| 17:14.31 | cbr | positrix: thanks.. i found it myself too |
| 17:14.32 | kooll | paulswm: easy: kde isn't minimal :) |
| 17:14.41 | *** join/#debian GodFather (~rcc@adsl-68-250-145-129.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) |
| 17:14.44 | cmihai | kde-lite ... |
| 17:14.50 | *** join/#debian thoron (petri@dsl-hkigw8g28.dial.inet.fi) |
| 17:14.53 | cmihai | sort of. And that's bloated as fsck. |
| 17:14.59 | *** part/#debian trc (~trc@20.228.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 17:15.00 | Pepper | without sugar |
| 17:15.13 | Eulex | cmihai, if you want minimal, go fluxbox/blackbox etc... |
| 17:15.24 | pipe | flwm to the rescue! |
| 17:15.27 | pipe | It's about 60kB |
| 17:15.32 | Eulex | heard that wmaker and icewm are pretty minimal too |
| 17:15.32 | positrix | or evilwm/ratpoison/ion |
| 17:15.33 | cmihai | fvwm. |
| 17:15.34 | samuel | i have a cups printer on one computer working fine, ive configured correctly the permissions in cups.conf for other users in the network to print to that printer. on another computer i cant figure out the device uri for the printer??? the device uri locally is "Device URI: parallel:/dev/lp0" and ive tried everything i can think of in the other computer, but it keeps giving me the "printer does not exist!" error, any ideas please? |
| 17:15.45 | *** join/#debian JoshH (~josh@firebat.aros.net) |
| 17:15.48 | positrix | or go one better. screen. |
| 17:15.51 | samuel | i know cups is working since if you connect by telnet to 631 there is some sort of server listening there |
| 17:15.53 | pipe | samuel: There is no spoon. :( |
| 17:15.58 | *** join/#debian nevyn_ (~nevyn@c211-28-235-187.fernt1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 17:16.18 | samuel | pipe, no, there is no spool :) |
| 17:16.22 | pipe | :D |
| 17:16.39 | Pepper | samuel: already checked http://localhost:631 ? |
| 17:17.39 | amorphix | whats the smallest editor guys? |
| 17:18.03 | cmihai | echo ? :) |
| 17:18.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 847] by debhelper |
| 17:18.09 | tobs | echo. |
| 17:18.13 | cmihai | teco is pretty small. And really fast. |
| 17:18.14 | SamBC | okay, so, let's try this again in one line... my pointing device gives events 6 and 7, which I don't want. I want to make them give event 2 (middle button). I tried: xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 2 2 8 9 10 11 12' - this didn't work, giving an error. Anyone got any ideas? |
| 17:18.16 | cmihai | cat && echo :) |
| 17:18.18 | stew | amorphix: ed |
| 17:18.18 | tobs | nano |
| 17:18.19 | amorphix | hehe |
| 17:18.20 | tobs | :D |
| 17:18.22 | amorphix | thanks guys |
| 17:18.32 | thoron | amorphix, learn just use vim. |
| 17:18.35 | cmihai | microemacs (uemacs) is pretty nice. 100K also. 60 with upx. |
| 17:18.40 | tobs | lol vim D: |
| 17:18.46 | Choubaka | vim isn't bad. |
| 17:18.49 | cmihai | vim is _big_ |
| 17:18.55 | Choubaka | there's vim-tiny |
| 17:18.58 | amorphix | i use vi most of the time, but i need something tiny for a boot risk root fs |
| 17:19.07 | cmihai | amorphix: give uemacs a shot. |
| 17:19.10 | pipeline | amorphix: nvi |
| 17:19.14 | Choubaka | or maybe it's vi-tiny |
| 17:19.15 | cmihai | I heard it's Linus Torvalds favourite editor... |
| 17:19.18 | Choubaka | something like that. |
| 17:19.19 | amorphix | thanks |
| 17:19.20 | tobs | haha |
| 17:19.23 | paulswm | kooll: Yes, it's like saying "emacs" and "small" or "fast" in the same breath :P |
| 17:19.24 | cmihai | Not that anyone cares :) |
| 17:19.24 | pipeline | amorphix: Or you can use the legacy toolchest vi |
| 17:19.48 | pipeline | amorphix: http://ex-vi.sourceforge.net/ Warning, this is even more stripped down than nvi |
| 17:19.49 | tobs | i never knew emacs had a text editor |
| 17:19.52 | cmihai | Apart from a few key-strokes, it's not much of an emacs... |
| 17:20.02 | cbr | kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0pre4_all.deb |
| 17:20.04 | amorphix | u guys are killin me! nvi = 360k |
| 17:20.06 | cmihai | tobs: sure it does. |
| 17:20.10 | cmihai | It has vi mode :P |
| 17:20.12 | cbr | that pre4 doesnt mean it's the pre release? |
| 17:20.14 | samuel | Pepper, checked just now http://printerhost:631, no luck (not localhost - im trying a different computer, printing works on localhost just fine) |
| 17:20.15 | cbr | just debian pre? |
| 17:20.22 | *** join/#debian Basic2 (~Basic@gatekeeper.real-time.com) |
| 17:20.50 | Pepper | samuel: just do it on the local-host. otherwise you need to set the permissions correctly. |
| 17:21.18 | samuel | Pepper, i set the permissions correctly |
| 17:21.19 | *** join/#debian lillesky (~lewinsky@0x3e42ef4d.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 17:21.26 | positrix | nano-tiny? thats pretty small |
| 17:21.37 | samuel | Pepper, i can connect to it in telnet |
| 17:21.49 | resiak | cbr: It means it's -pre for Debian, as of course you knew since you're installing software from Experimental. |
| 17:22.06 | cbr | it's not experimental, it's stable |
| 17:22.10 | *** join/#debian mechi (~dino@212-104-99-187.cable.evrocom.net) |
| 17:22.11 | cbr | just the debian packagers are slow :p |
| 17:22.12 | *** part/#debian mechi (~dino@212-104-99-187.cable.evrocom.net) |
| 17:22.26 | resiak | cbr: Erm, the packages are only in Experimental. |
| 17:22.31 | jethro | !joint me |
| 17:22.34 | cbr | actually 3rdparty |
| 17:22.35 | cmihai | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/editors/uemacs/ :) |
| 17:22.35 | Pepper | samuel: if everything with permissions is ok. you should get the admin-screen of cups. |
| 17:22.53 | *** join/#debian zOap (~zOap@dsl-53-2-156.monet.no) |
| 17:22.54 | cbr | or well alioth |
| 17:22.57 | samuel | Pepper, i do get the admin screen |
| 17:23.05 | samuel | just cant print |
| 17:23.05 | *** join/#debian try (~k@c-67-182-244-8.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 17:23.27 | amorphix | nano-tiny is just 36k and rocks! |
| 17:23.47 | cmihai | Bah. nano && pico... I leave those to the unwashed gentoo masses. |
| 17:23.54 | resiak | cbr: You're completely on your own with these packages. But you knew that too. |
| 17:23.59 | try | k, so any tips? apt-get doesn't work, output in flood. |
| 17:24.05 | cbr | yeah |
| 17:24.13 | cbr | i just want to try it.. 3.3 is old man |
| 17:24.16 | amorphix | try: whats wrong? |
| 17:24.17 | resiak | !tell cbr -about nickprefix |
| 17:24.29 | Pepper | samuel: what you get from /printers ? |
| 17:24.40 | *** join/#debian asac (~alex@d018107.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 17:24.45 | *** part/#debian armando (~armando@201.128.199.168) |
| 17:24.45 | *** join/#debian membrive (~membrive@205.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:24.58 | cmihai | Editors... heh, you've got TECO, what more do you need ?! |
| 17:24.59 | cbr | resiak: well i normally would prefix but nobody was talking and i posted it right below your answer |
| 17:25.16 | Pepper | samuel: there need to be a separate <Location /printers/<name>> part in cupsd.conf |
| 17:25.21 | *** join/#debian gin__ (gin@200.92.246.250) |
| 17:25.25 | *** join/#debian gin_ (gin@200.92.246.250) |
| 17:25.28 | try | apt-get won't work with either apt-get install or apt-get remove, It won't let me do anything. It keeps sending out the error message in flood |
| 17:25.30 | resiak | cbr: But I'm doing stuff in other channels so might not have noticed for a while. |
| 17:25.41 | *** join/#debian kart_ (~kartik@203.115.69.50) |
| 17:25.46 | samuel | Pepper, checking... |
| 17:25.48 | amorphix | try: apt-setup maybe? |
| 17:26.05 | gin_ | my ip numeric, don't answer to my pings.. what can do that ? |
| 17:26.11 | resiak | try: " You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:" |
| 17:26.17 | *** join/#debian SpeS (~lagarto@182.Red-81-37-75.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:26.22 | *** join/#debian Anders (anders@anders1.translator.reactos) |
| 17:26.24 | *** join/#debian cuco (~elcuco@bzq-84-109-4-129.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 17:26.29 | samuel | Pepper, in the client or server? |
| 17:26.34 | cuco | what are my options for installing openoffice2 on debian? |
| 17:26.37 | *** join/#debian tibobe (~tibobe@81.56.189.70) |
| 17:26.40 | tibobe | yo |
| 17:26.54 | Pepper | samuel: server |
| 17:27.15 | cmihai | OpenOffice 2 is b0rked imho. |
| 17:27.28 | *** part/#debian tibobe (~tibobe@81.56.189.70) |
| 17:27.34 | cmihai | Way too many bugs for production use. |
| 17:27.35 | resiak | cuco: Help get it working with gij. |
| 17:28.00 | gin_ | my ip numeric, don't answer to my pings.. what can do that ?, either i can see my apache web.. |
| 17:28.10 | LoRez | is there any install set that supports the dpt_i2o driver? |
| 17:28.21 | shingouz | gin_: is your nic up? |
| 17:28.33 | samuel | Pepper, in the cupsd.conf sure? could it be the printers.conf? |
| 17:28.36 | gin_ | shingouz, what u mean with, nic ? |
| 17:28.41 | shingouz | !nic |
| 17:28.42 | dpkg | it has been said that nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 17:28.49 | stew | !es |
| 17:28.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:29.07 | *** join/#debian kromagg (~kromagg@83-134-73-219.Gent.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be) |
| 17:29.19 | *** join/#debian EduardoOliva (~Du@200.168.58.218) |
| 17:29.19 | *** part/#debian strikinado (strikirc@strikinado.user) |
| 17:29.22 | *** join/#debian abrotman (~abrotman@ip67-93-222-40.z222-93-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 17:29.22 | *** part/#debian bonez39 (~aint@drjones.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 17:29.25 | try | apt-get install -f doesn't work, I'll try running apt-setup |
| 17:29.34 | Pepper | samuel: you got a /printers section in cupsd.conf? |
| 17:29.35 | *** join/#debian Kre|S (~Kre|S@Mix-Toulouse-215-4-22.w80-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:29.39 | *** part/#debian Kre|S (~Kre|S@Mix-Toulouse-215-4-22.w80-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:29.45 | gin_ | shingouz, i don't guess that i got it.. |
| 17:29.54 | gin_ | shingouz, apt-get install nic ? |
| 17:29.57 | try | k apt-setup doesn't fix it either |
| 17:30.01 | shingouz | gin_: ifconfig |
| 17:30.15 | gin_ | i did it |
| 17:30.40 | samuel | Pepper, yes, but its all commented out |
| 17:30.45 | shingouz | gin_: and is the nic up? |
| 17:30.54 | cmihai | I wonder if I can Final Fantasy 7 in Windows 98 in Microsoft Virtual PC in VMWARE in Debian... |
| 17:30.55 | samuel | Pepper, i dont remember reading anything about that |
| 17:31.06 | gin_ | shingouz, eth0 yes it is up but with my isp |
| 17:31.13 | *** join/#debian dino_crisis (~HelpTeam@212-104-99-187.cable.evrocom.net) |
| 17:31.13 | resiak | cmihai: In my experience, "no". |
| 17:31.15 | *** part/#debian dino_crisis (~HelpTeam@212-104-99-187.cable.evrocom.net) |
| 17:31.19 | ricky_clarkson | cmihai: I wonder whether you've seen the outside of a building recently. |
| 17:31.24 | shingouz | gin_: so isnt that good then |
| 17:31.28 | pipeline | cmihai: No. |
| 17:31.42 | gin_ | shingouz, what can i do ? |
| 17:32.00 | gin_ | shingouz i have fixed with automatic eth0.. |
| 17:32.16 | cmihai | Well, since win98 doesn't work in Win4Lin 6, or vmware 5.... might as well try that :) |
| 17:32.17 | shingouz | gin_: what is your native language? |
| 17:32.29 | gin_ | shingouz, spanish. |
| 17:32.34 | shingouz | cmihai: doesn't hurt at least |
| 17:32.49 | Pepper | samuel: is it a problem if you see some state info by http? |
| 17:32.52 | shingouz | gin_: in that case you might be more comfortable in #debian-es |
| 17:33.01 | shingouz | they speak spanish there.. |
| 17:33.05 | gin_ | shingouz, the american english.. its some composed .. :P |
| 17:33.06 | pipatron | hola! |
| 17:33.07 | ricky_clarkson | gin_: usa #debian-es - es muy bueno para los hispanohablantes. |
| 17:33.13 | hellz | where do i find the complete list of apt-get mirrors for sarge? |
| 17:33.19 | samuel | Pepper, sorry? didnt get that |
| 17:33.22 | *** join/#debian positrix (~simon@CPE-138-217-239-198.wa.bigpond.net.au) |
| 17:33.25 | pipatron | hellz: www.debian.org |
| 17:33.38 | hellz | pipatron: debian but where? |
| 17:33.52 | pipatron | hellz: In the menu to the left |
| 17:34.02 | hellz | ok |
| 17:34.02 | pipatron | hellz: 'getting debian' or something, or 'installing' |
| 17:34.07 | pipatron | 'installation media' maybe |
| 17:34.12 | Pepper | samuel: if it doesn't work it's nice to see where's the problem. /printers/<printername> while reveal that info (hopefully) |
| 17:34.12 | *** join/#debian sewi (~sewi@ambient.po.opole.pl) |
| 17:34.17 | *** part/#debian gin_ (gin@200.92.246.250) |
| 17:34.18 | pipatron | hellz: Use your imagination :) |
| 17:34.33 | hellz | pipatron: :) |
| 17:35.03 | stew | hellz: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:35.08 | Pepper | samuel: does the cups-log says whats the problem? |
| 17:35.12 | pipatron | paulswm: They don't |
| 17:35.12 | samuel | Pepper, it works, but not in the client machine, if i print from the computer the printer is connected on it works just fine, just not from other computers |
| 17:35.18 | *** join/#debian renato` (nobody@200-158-247-206.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 17:35.19 | pipatron | paulswm: That's why google was invented |
| 17:35.25 | *** join/#debian K1LL3R_DO6 (k1ll3rdo6@200.90.171.149) |
| 17:35.28 | shingouz | paulswm: they don't. they surf to msn.com and are extremely l337 |
| 17:35.40 | Pepper | samuel: so maybe some state info on the remote can hel? |
| 17:35.46 | Pepper | s/hel/help |
| 17:35.47 | renato` | has someone here taken the nightmare to config the speedtouch usb modem in linux? |
| 17:35.52 | abrotman | !speedtouch |
| 17:35.53 | samuel | Pepper, my problem, im pretty sure, is that i can figure out the damned device URI to connect to |
| 17:36.08 | paulswm | hellz: I went to debian.org and found the mirror list with three clicks in less than 10 seconds. |
| 17:36.13 | abrotman | !tell renato` about speedtouch usb |
| 17:36.13 | positrix | renato`: i had a go, but i have up and used the ethernet plug |
| 17:36.18 | Pepper | ipp://hostname/printers/<printername> |
| 17:36.20 | *** join/#debian thefly (~ham@regulus3.student.uu.se) |
| 17:36.20 | samuel | Pepper, the printer "does not exist" in the client machines |
| 17:36.30 | *** join/#debian Tallken (invalid@213.58.7.99) |
| 17:36.33 | samuel | Pepper, lemme try that |
| 17:36.33 | renato` | i know that site... |
| 17:36.46 | *** join/#debian lordlamer (~lordlamer@p548C608C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:37.00 | Pepper | samuel: maybe you need the port. |
| 17:37.09 | renato` | i've used speedtouchconf, speedtouch, speedtch, looked at the site, etc... it just can't connect |
| 17:37.11 | hellz | paulswm: but i didn;t |
| 17:37.15 | Pepper | samuel: 631 |
| 17:37.25 | *** join/#debian chello (~chello@200.207.126.217) |
| 17:37.31 | paulswm | hellz: "obtain a copy", "mirrors", "list of debian mirrors", how hard is that? |
| 17:38.08 | samuel | Pepper, thank you so much!!! thats is it!!!! |
| 17:38.16 | samuel | working fine now!!! |
| 17:38.23 | hellz | got it |
| 17:38.34 | Pepper | you're welcome. |
| 17:38.40 | pepsi_ | What should I google on if I want to put my monitor in "portrait" mode, that is, rotate it 90 degrees? |
| 17:38.42 | *** join/#debian f0rtex (~DonCorleo@212-41-76-98.adsl.solnet.ch) |
| 17:38.54 | K1LL3R_DO6 | hi, is possible to have xorg and xfree at the same time? |
| 17:38.59 | ricky_clarkson | Hi. I seem to have enabled dmix in alsa, but I can't get xmms to have two instances - the second one says it can't open alsa driver. |
| 17:39.40 | cmihai | pepsi_: well, NVIDIA drivers could do that... |
| 17:39.52 | cmihai | Well, I did that once with NVIDIA for editing images... :) |
| 17:39.54 | ifvoid | ricky_clarkson: are you sure xmms is using the alsa driver? |
| 17:40.02 | pepsi_ | cmihai: but it's not built in XFree or something? |
| 17:40.06 | cmihai | README for NVIDIA I guess. If you have NVIDIA. |
| 17:40.13 | ricky_clarkson | ifvoid: It was. I just changed it to use the OSS driver, ran it with aoss and it worked. |
| 17:40.19 | cmihai | pepsi_: erm.... don't know. |
| 17:40.20 | pepsi_ | cmihai: I happen to have an NVidia.. |
| 17:40.32 | pepsi_ | cmihai: I bet there is trouble with xinirama :/ |
| 17:40.36 | K1LL3R_DO6 | i have prosavage drr :( |
| 17:40.40 | *** join/#debian abrotman (~abrotman@ip67-93-222-40.z222-93-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 17:40.50 | *** part/#debian Pepper (~Pepper@pc057-adsl.adsl.uni-klu.ac.at) |
| 17:40.51 | pipeline | pepsi_: The key word here is "xrandr" |
| 17:40.59 | pepsi_ | pipeline: thx. |
| 17:41.17 | cmihai | Did someone mention "QEmu" kernel patches ?! |
| 17:41.34 | pipatron | Ohnoe, how confusing |
| 17:41.39 | *** part/#debian f0rtex (~DonCorleo@212-41-76-98.adsl.solnet.ch) |
| 17:41.46 | pipatron | "pipeline" was my nick several years ago |
| 17:41.53 | *** join/#debian sypher (~sypher@host31-86.pool8254.interbusiness.it) |
| 17:41.56 | petemc | cmihai: theres an accelerator module |
| 17:42.01 | pipatron | Now I was all "wtf are pepsi_ thanking ME for?!" |
| 17:42.08 | *** join/#debian Skrot (~magnus@ti132110a080-10146.bb.online.no) |
| 17:42.16 | cmihai | Hmf... how would it be performance wise, compared to ...vmware ?! |
| 17:42.36 | petemc | cmihai: apparently its comparable with the module, i havent tried it myself |
| 17:43.19 | cmihai | Yeah, I've used Win4Lin recently, and it said something about KQEmu "speed module"... and I was thinking it's too close to be a "coincidense" |
| 17:43.55 | *** join/#debian pure (~pureone@host81-152-132-232.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:45.53 | *** join/#debian floe (~konversat@62.214.143.70) |
| 17:46.02 | sparr_ | is there a good front-end for mplayer that provides access to all of mplayer's options and features? |
| 17:46.04 | sun_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.36 | *** join/#debian linoleum (~linoleum@AMarseille-152-1-34-210.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:46.37 | Isumi | sparr_, gmplayer, but i dont know if it's good... |
| 17:46.47 | *** join/#debian H2OyJaBoN (h2o@200.63.75.170) |
| 17:46.51 | H2OyJaBoN | hi !! |
| 17:46.57 | *** join/#debian grimse (~malte@p5481F490.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:47.07 | *** join/#debian laRT (~lars@lars.web52.dk) |
| 17:47.09 | *** join/#debian Rux (~knoppix@ca-crlsca-cuda3-c1b-190.crlsca.adelphia.net) |
| 17:47.21 | *** part/#debian Rux (~knoppix@ca-crlsca-cuda3-c1b-190.crlsca.adelphia.net) |
| 17:47.35 | stew | sparr_: bash? zsh? :) |
| 17:47.44 | laRT | I Just installed ndiswrapper and then i installed my wlan network drivers, and it was sucessfull installation i can se it in ndiswrapper -l. now how do i load the module? |
| 17:48.28 | Isumi | modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 17:48.44 | *** join/#debian spart_ (spart@CPE000f667ffbd1-CM0011aea10c2c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 17:48.45 | laRT | Module ndiswrapper not found |
| 17:48.50 | laRT | Isumi |
| 17:49.04 | *** join/#debian daffy-pkf (~daffy-pkf@49.73.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 17:49.05 | *** join/#debian matH- (matH-@ppp196-elk.elknet.net) |
| 17:49.14 | jdhutchin1 | laRT, then you didn't install it correctly, maybe you didn't run depmod -a? |
| 17:49.31 | *** part/#debian matH- (matH-@ppp196-elk.elknet.net) |
| 17:49.35 | *** join/#debian try (~k@c-67-182-244-8.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 17:49.46 | *** join/#debian directhex (~jms@shields.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 17:49.46 | *** join/#debian streuner (foobar@p54A5DDA5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:49.47 | paulswm | laRT: ndiswrapper -m |
| 17:50.02 | paulswm | laRT: The try again. |
| 17:50.06 | *** join/#debian penguinboy (~penguinbo@24-159-145-55.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com) |
| 17:50.08 | *** join/#debian Eu_to_FELIX (~kurumin@vnc.pmcv.com.br) |
| 17:50.16 | *** join/#debian faked (fake@83-65-238-76.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 17:50.19 | laRT | works now |
| 17:50.20 | laRT | thanls |
| 17:50.28 | paulswm | laRT: you're welcome |
| 17:50.28 | *** part/#debian Eu_to_FELIX (~kurumin@vnc.pmcv.com.br) |
| 17:50.32 | *** join/#debian drazh (~root@host68-150.pool8252.interbusiness.it) |
| 17:50.42 | try | k so apt-get isn't working still, NOBODY knows how to fix it? just to recap, apt-get install and apt-get remove all produce some error and I can't get it away. apt-get install -f doesn't fix it neither does dpkg --configure -a. |
| 17:50.45 | penguinboy | i cannot get a resolution above 800x600 on my lap...can someone help? |
| 17:50.59 | *** join/#debian ganimatux (~ganimatux@r200-125-8-158-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 17:51.01 | ricky_clarkson | !drxx penguinboy |
| 17:51.01 | dpkg | penguinboy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 17:51.06 | greycat | !details |
| 17:51.07 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian version, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 17:51.08 | *** join/#debian Ether_Man (EtherMan@h41n1fls305o1095.telia.com) |
| 17:51.09 | penguinboy | thanks |
| 17:51.20 | *** part/#debian ganimatux (~ganimatux@r200-125-8-158-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 17:53.07 | *** join/#debian dani (~dani@host68-150.pool8252.interbusiness.it) |
| 17:53.24 | dani | some1 speak italian |
| 17:53.29 | dani | i need help |
| 17:53.32 | *** join/#debian ld-xorg (~ld-xorg@host76-109.pool80183.interbusiness.it) |
| 17:53.41 | stew | !italian |
| 17:53.41 | deadcat | !italian |
| 17:53.41 | dpkg | [italian] per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 17:53.54 | dani | thanks |
| 17:54.13 | *** part/#debian lilliput (~Touriste@82-47-146-158.cable.ubr11.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 17:54.14 | ricky_clarkson | I speak Ferrari. |
| 17:54.15 | *** join/#debian albz (~nemok@213-140-6-103.fastres.net) |
| 17:55.09 | *** join/#debian POBocks (~root@pool-71-101-182-239.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 17:55.09 | *** join/#debian acollins (~acollins@81.168.0.206) |
| 17:55.29 | *** join/#debian dani_ (~dani@host68-150.pool8252.interbusiness.it) |
| 17:55.37 | cbr | why doesnt alt-fx work in kde3.4 :o |
| 17:55.48 | cbr | nor does alt-tab work |
| 17:56.06 | stew | cbr: #debian-kde |
| 17:56.13 | ricky_clarkson | cbr: Do your windows have frames around them? |
| 17:56.18 | cbr | yes |
| 17:56.25 | mwilson | "work"? Are they supposed to do something? |
| 17:56.27 | jim | cbr: try ctrl-alt-fx |
| 17:56.37 | ricky_clarkson | jim: He'll have to reboot! |
| 17:56.44 | *** join/#debian leona (~usuario@82.198.109.181) |
| 17:56.47 | Lee__ | no he won't |
| 17:56.47 | cbr | jim: huh? i mean alt-f4 |
| 17:56.50 | cbr | for closing windows |
| 17:56.51 | ricky_clarkson | "I just got this black screen saying log in" |
| 17:56.55 | *** join/#debian lovdahls (lovdahls@lovdahls.user) |
| 17:57.10 | cbr | jim: alt-f4 in konsole outputs 'OS' |
| 17:57.13 | *** join/#debian linuxfreck (~freck@fry.fmi.uni-passau.de) |
| 17:57.14 | Lee__ | left alt + F7 |
| 17:57.14 | cbr | which is very weird |
| 17:57.24 | sparr_ | What mplayer frontend allows me to change the subtitle/audio channel without using keyboard shortcuts? |
| 17:57.30 | *** join/#debian froze (~chatzilla@c099.chips.ncsu.edu) |
| 17:57.31 | ricky_clarkson | Lee__: He will if he doesn't know that. |
| 17:57.42 | Lee__ | knowledge is power |
| 17:57.49 | ricky_clarkson | Lee__: Ignorance is Fedora. |
| 17:57.50 | Lee__ | sparr_: gmplayer? |
| 17:58.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 855] by debhelper |
| 17:58.25 | *** join/#debian benovv (~vasil@p54A559F4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:58.30 | *** join/#debian Hudud (~czarux@as32-91.qualitynet.net) |
| 17:58.32 | *** join/#debian Shore (~Shore@196-46-160-213.gprs.vodacom.co.za) |
| 17:58.34 | sparr_ | Lee__: how? |
| 17:58.50 | Lee__ | RTFM. point/click? |
| 17:58.56 | *** part/#debian Hudud (~czarux@as32-91.qualitynet.net) |
| 17:59.02 | Shore | hey guys |
| 17:59.07 | sparr_ | point at what, click what? |
| 17:59.15 | ricky_clarkson | sparr_: He doesn't know. |
| 17:59.17 | Shore | can any1 help me with setting up usb2? |
| 17:59.26 | froze | In unstable the gnome drive mount applet no longer allows for {un,}mount. It only allows eject and open, both of which are already availble from nautilus' right click menu. Should this be filed as a bug or... |
| 17:59.27 | Shore | or troubleshooting usb2 rather? |
| 17:59.33 | sparr_ | ricky_clarkson: i know |
| 17:59.45 | ricky_clarkson | sparr_: So ask a more intelligent question. |
| 18:00.07 | *** join/#debian janux (~janux@ipd50af40e.speed.planet.nl) |
| 18:00.10 | ricky_clarkson | sparr_: "I can't find anything to allow me to change the subtitle/audio channel in gmplayer. Any suggestions?" |
| 18:00.11 | mwilson | froze: It would be a bug if it was supposed to allow for that, and didn't. So... what is the feature set SUPPOSED to be? Not what do you think it should be? |
| 18:00.28 | *** join/#debian fike (~Fernando@200-161-0-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 18:00.34 | sparr_ | ricky_clarkson: the answer to that question would be to use the keyboard shortcuts |
| 18:00.42 | mwilson | Shore: There's no nick 'any1' in the channel at the moment. Perhaps they will join later. |
| 18:00.50 | sparr_ | ricky_clarkson: and i didnt want to specify gmplayer |
| 18:00.58 | *** join/#debian eps_ (eps@208.53.170.225) |
| 18:01.04 | Shore | thanx ;) |
| 18:01.06 | eps_ | mmm sarge goodness |
| 18:01.10 | Shore | can u help me mwilson? |
| 18:01.11 | ricky_clarkson | sparr_: So, did you launch gmplayer? |
| 18:01.26 | mwilson | Shore: There's no nick 'u' in the channel at the moment, either. |
| 18:01.40 | mwilson | Shore: I don't know if whoever that is would be able to help you, though. |
| 18:01.47 | Lee__ | !u |
| 18:01.48 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:02.03 | froze | mwilson: The applet name is drivemount but it no longer seems to allow unmounting (it used to). On the other hand I don't know what it 'supposed' to, only that it used to be helpful and now is only redundant. |
| 18:02.11 | sparr_ | ricky_clarkson: yes, im also trying kmplayer and kplayer |
| 18:02.14 | *** part/#debian K1LL3R_DO6 (k1ll3rdo6@200.90.171.149) |
| 18:02.17 | Shore | mwilson can you help me with usb2 troubleshooting? |
| 18:02.55 | mwilson | Shore: <shrug> What problem do you think you have? Then someone can decide if they can help you. |
| 18:02.59 | *** part/#debian eps_ (eps@208.53.170.225) |
| 18:03.09 | *** join/#debian any1 (~519884e8@67.19.214.226) |
| 18:03.22 | *** join/#debian evilstoy (HydraIRC@83-131-76-51.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 18:03.54 | any1 | hi |
| 18:04.02 | *** join/#debian ircdevil (~maasha@130.226.106.174) |
| 18:04.04 | greycat | haha |
| 18:04.06 | *** join/#debian sh4dowcat (shadowcat@c-335f70d5.033-47-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 18:04.26 | Shore | i have an external hdd drive casing (usb).... usbview says the device is running on a usb2 hub....however...the transfer speed is that of usb1....what can i do? |
| 18:04.33 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Waiting for 'u' to arrive? |
| 18:04.43 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: 'u' is a registered nick. I checked. |
| 18:05.12 | jim | along with the other 25 letters :P |
| 18:05.23 | caphuso | Shore: what /dev entry is it? |
| 18:05.33 | ricky_clarkson | Bah, the alphabet's just not scalable. |
| 18:05.38 | Shore | ./dev/uba1 |
| 18:05.41 | *** join/#debian Prophet_ (prophet@p54A96AF0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:05.49 | ricky_clarkson | Shore: Was that . on purpose? |
| 18:05.54 | caphuso | Shore: recompile your kernel without that low performance usb thing crap |
| 18:06.21 | Shore | low perforamce usb thing crap? |
| 18:06.22 | *** join/#debian dhuv (~dhuv@67.111.175.112.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 18:06.27 | dhuv | hello all |
| 18:06.49 | caphuso | Shore: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB |
| 18:06.55 | *** join/#debian floe (~konversat@62.214.191.100) |
| 18:06.59 | dhuv | i am wondering if anybody know what a line of "^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^" means in the /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages |
| 18:07.05 | *** part/#debian any1 (~519884e8@67.19.214.226) |
| 18:07.16 | greycat | it means something wrote a line of ^@^@^@^@^@^@ |
| 18:07.17 | ricky_clarkson | dhuv: The kernel is grinning at you. |
| 18:07.20 | dhuv | this line was followed by several lines of garbage non english characters |
| 18:07.29 | dhuv | ricky_clarkson: did the kernel crash? |
| 18:07.39 | Shore | ill look into it thanx caphuso |
| 18:07.50 | *** join/#debian FossiFoo (~Fossi@d192220.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 18:07.51 | *** join/#debian bumboks (bum@port40.ds1-ksa.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 18:08.05 | mwilson | dhuv: So something logged a message not in Latin-1? |
| 18:08.19 | *** join/#debian morbius (~morbius@38.119.216.131) |
| 18:08.21 | dhuv | mwilson: yes |
| 18:08.36 | mwilson | dhuv: So if you already knew, why did you ask? |
| 18:08.36 | morbius | so if I do ALL : ALL inside of hosts.deny this won't effect apache will it? |
| 18:08.48 | FossiFoo | heya. i still have a problem with diskspace that's not being free'd. |
| 18:08.52 | sparr_ | ive got a rpm that i want to convert to a deb. this rpm puts things in /usr/share/doc/ that are ok, but it puts things in /opt/kde3/foo that i want to go in /usr/foo |
| 18:09.00 | ricky_clarkson | morbius: I hope so. |
| 18:09.01 | FossiFoo | paste from df: /dev/hda6 20161172 19267508 0 100% /mnt/hdb6 |
| 18:09.07 | *** join/#debian ralf (~matteo@openjlab.org) |
| 18:09.07 | mwilson | caphuso: That's not USB Mass Storage? |
| 18:09.19 | caphuso | mwilson: no, that's pure and utter crap |
| 18:09.24 | sparr_ | can alien accomplish that |
| 18:09.33 | dhuv | mwilson: something threw those characters in my messages and syslog file but I dont know what |
| 18:09.40 | *** join/#debian dRa|RIQUEZAmenta (~solar@115.Red-83-41-237.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:09.52 | dhuv | mwilson: any ideas on what i can be, i dont even know what to google for |
| 18:09.53 | *** join/#debian tell (tell@177pc210.sshunet.nl) |
| 18:10.01 | mwilson | caphuso: I don't think I've ever seen that one. |
| 18:10.05 | ricky_clarkson | sparr_: I'd suggest installing this into a user's home directory, or into /usr/local, rather than using alien. |
| 18:10.16 | mwilson | caphuso: But then again, I don't do USB Mass on Linux other than for my camera. |
| 18:10.20 | dhuv | there was not anything in particular that was running ont he computer at the time, it was at 2:40am when things are completely still |
| 18:10.35 | sparr_ | ricky_clarkson: ok, so /usr/local it is... i still need to get rid of the /opt/kde3 stuff |
| 18:10.38 | tell | hi, i've compiled a custom kernel (2.6.8) but dhcp does not work anymore. i have no access to the internet. what could i have missed in menuconfig? |
| 18:10.57 | *** join/#debian Aer (~Aer@m63.net81-66-46.noos.fr) |
| 18:10.57 | dRa|RIQUEZAmenta | 98% download dvd1 debian and not continue? |
| 18:10.58 | tell | PACKET_FILTER does not seem to exist in 2.6.8 |
| 18:11.09 | dhuv | tell: does /sbin/ifconfig -a give you eth0 or eth1 |
| 18:11.19 | dhuv | or any other interface besides lo |
| 18:11.21 | *** join/#debian ralf (~matteo@openjlab.org) |
| 18:11.34 | tell | dhuv : eth1 |
| 18:11.47 | dhuv | no eth0? |
| 18:12.07 | ricky_clarkson | sparr_: Can't you build from source instead, or use a Debian package? |
| 18:12.08 | dhuv | do you have 2 nics? |
| 18:12.10 | *** join/#debian knj (~knj@D40A3E04.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 18:12.15 | tell | dhuv : indeed |
| 18:12.19 | *** part/#debian Tallken (invalid@213.58.7.99) |
| 18:12.29 | sparr_ | ricky_clarkson: no, no. |
| 18:12.39 | mwilson | tell: Uh, if you have no eth0, what does that have to do with DHCP? |
| 18:12.46 | dhuv | so you have eth0 and eth1? which one would have access to the internet? |
| 18:13.00 | *** part/#debian dRa|RIQUEZAmenta (~solar@115.Red-83-41-237.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:13.00 | tell | dhuv: eth1 |
| 18:13.03 | jim | tell: check the man page for the dhcp client you're using, the info of what it needs from whatever is in there |
| 18:13.10 | *** join/#debian dRa|RIQUEZAmenta (~solar@115.Red-83-41-237.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:13.15 | dhuv | what dhcp client are you using? |
| 18:13.16 | *** part/#debian dRa|RIQUEZAmenta (~solar@115.Red-83-41-237.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:13.22 | *** join/#debian mops (~mops@193.87.45.24) |
| 18:13.26 | mops | hello! |
| 18:13.30 | mops | I need help: |
| 18:13.40 | jim | !sicco |
| 18:13.41 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 18:13.44 | tell | DHCP Client 2.0pl5 |
| 18:13.48 | *** join/#debian dorijan (dorijan@pD95B39C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:14.00 | mops | I have 3 system on my HDD - 1st win 2nd debian 3rd win again |
| 18:14.13 | ricky_clarkson | mops: You Lose. |
| 18:14.17 | mops | I installed this 3rd win 5 minutes before |
| 18:14.25 | *** join/#debian jmpjmp (~0xfffffff@dsl-084-056-225-098.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:14.27 | mops | and I want to boot to my /dev/hda2 |
| 18:14.36 | *** join/#debian jeff-stab (icechat5@M391P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 18:14.37 | mops | ricky_clarkson: why? |
| 18:14.38 | tell | dhuv: everything works with original kernel boot up |
| 18:14.42 | ralf | this evening a guy gave me a link with a xorg repository. now i'm on another machine and i don't have that repo. what it was? |
| 18:14.57 | tell | dhuv: so i think i have missed something in menuconfig |
| 18:15.02 | mops | I tried to run rescue mode from the boot menu of debian CD |
| 18:15.06 | *** join/#debian entheon (~entheon@c-65-96-232-156.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 18:15.09 | mops | but there was a kernel panic |
| 18:15.16 | *** join/#debian davix (~lama@85-64-144-6.barak-online.net) |
| 18:15.21 | dhuv | what client are you using and what command are you running |
| 18:15.24 | mops | how can I make a boot floppy or something like that to boot to it? |
| 18:15.27 | dhuv | are you getting any errors |
| 18:15.31 | mops | I only need to run lilo again |
| 18:15.33 | mops | please help! |
| 18:15.39 | *** join/#debian Silicon (~Silicon@c-24-19-84-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 18:15.40 | jeff-stab | is there anybody who can tell me, how to connect to an VNC-Server? |
| 18:15.45 | tell | dhclient. |
| 18:15.56 | tell | DHCPDISCOVER on lo to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4 |
| 18:15.57 | tell | DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 |
| 18:16.00 | *** join/#debian TCW (~tcw@europa.bundesunixminister.org) |
| 18:16.00 | tell | and so on |
| 18:16.15 | *** join/#debian pepperpot_ (~pepper@216.59.239.241) |
| 18:16.25 | entheon | how do i echo out what groups a person is in? |
| 18:16.27 | *** join/#debian pingouin (~pingouin@ALille-251-1-82-27.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:16.30 | mwilson | Why're you doing DHCPDISCOVER on lo? |
| 18:16.31 | jeff-stab | dhclient to connect to VNC? |
| 18:16.44 | jeff-stab | oh sorry |
| 18:16.46 | ricky_clarkson | mops: No reason. Nm. |
| 18:16.48 | jethro | entheon: type groups in a shell |
| 18:16.50 | *** join/#debian crystalremo (~me@12-203-172-135.client.insightBB.com) |
| 18:16.51 | mwilson | jeff-stab: You connect to a VNC server with a VNC client, of course. |
| 18:17.06 | sparr_ | ricky_clarkson: so no way to get rid of the opt stuff? i guess i can convert to tgz, unzip, move stuff, rezip, then convert back to deb, but that will lose package information no? |
| 18:17.11 | greycat | entheon: and stop asking in two channels. |
| 18:17.11 | jeff-stab | nice, but....open VNC? |
| 18:17.19 | dhuv | tell: boot the original kernel, take a look at which eth address is on eth0 and which on is on eth1. I think perhaps with the new kernel they might be getting picked up in a different order |
| 18:17.27 | dhuv | and the eth0 and eth1 are swapped |
| 18:17.28 | mwilson | jeff-stab: What is that supposed to mean? |
| 18:17.40 | dhuv | so before you had to dhclient eth1 but now you might have to do dhclient eth0 |
| 18:18.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 866] by debhelper |
| 18:18.07 | jethro | jeff-stab: xvncviewer |
| 18:18.21 | ricky_clarkson | sparr_: Maybe work out where you want it to go and put it there. Then tell anything that has a reference to it where you put it. |
| 18:18.28 | jeff-stab | sorry...bad question...thx for answers will try....;-) |
| 18:18.29 | dhuv | so does anybody know what a line of "^@^@^@^@..." followed by non-english characters in both messages and syslog file means? |
| 18:18.40 | *** join/#debian sachin (~sachin@sachin.user) |
| 18:18.48 | abrotman | mwilson: you have a weird definition of fun :) |
| 18:18.52 | *** join/#debian zomtec (~zomtec@p54A99AA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:19.10 | ricky_clarkson | Non-English characters? I met some of those on holiday. They couldn't even speak English, the fools. |
| 18:19.30 | jeff-stab | uh annother one...why is there a X before the VNC? does that mean, that it only can connect to an x-server? |
| 18:20.04 | stew | jeff-stab: no it means the client is an x client |
| 18:20.15 | sparr_ | ricky_clarkson: err, i know where i want it to go. what im asking is how to put it there. i was hoping to maintain some sort of packaging, but ill resort to unpacking it and copying the files into place if i need to |
| 18:20.43 | jim | jeff-stab: try looking into it |
| 18:20.47 | abrotman | anyone have a sarge box with less than 32MB RAM ? |
| 18:21.00 | *** join/#debian markw_ (~markw@ip68-6-237-45.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 18:21.07 | *** join/#debian Punkcut (~a@c-67-161-65-234.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 18:21.13 | jethro | jeff-stab: xvncviewer is a vncviewer for x |
| 18:21.42 | mwilson | abrotman: I'm working on getting remote admin set up for the church I volunteer at. We're putting tightvnc on all the Windows desktops, and we're tunnelling VNC through our oBSD firewall to manage them remotely. |
| 18:21.43 | jeff-stab | I think we got wrong issues....say if I'm wrong...I want DSL-Connection and in austria we are handling (however how) with a VNC server to get it....nothing to do with x11.... |
| 18:21.50 | abrotman | shingouz: <32MB machine ? |
| 18:21.56 | shingouz | yes? |
| 18:22.00 | abrotman | shingouz: running sarge ? |
| 18:22.02 | sparr_ | perhaps i have not noticed some other change, but it seems that at some point recently apt-file has begun to rely on curl, and yet i do not have curl installed which makes me think the dependency is missing |
| 18:22.05 | shingouz | doable |
| 18:22.11 | abrotman | shingouz: no .. do you have one :) |
| 18:22.21 | shingouz | not at the moment i think |
| 18:22.26 | jeff-stab | no remote control needed |
| 18:22.27 | jethro | jeff-stab: you run the viewer from x11, to connect to a vnc server. |
| 18:22.41 | mwilson | I think there's some confusion here over acronyms. |
| 18:22.42 | shingouz | abrotman: what computer you looking at? |
| 18:23.14 | abrotman | shingouz: no .. i mean in general .. is sarge runnable <32MB :) |
| 18:23.15 | jeff-stab | and it has nothing to do with x11? |
| 18:23.24 | *** join/#debian Mosher (~lukei4655@70-59-104-148.albq.qwest.net) |
| 18:23.29 | shingouz | abrotman: yes it is. it is not installable but it sure as hell runs |
| 18:23.35 | abrotman | shingouz: okeedokee |
| 18:23.44 | shingouz | abrotman: sid runs under 32 easily |
| 18:23.44 | jeff-stab | just to get a connection and i can but i mustn't use it in connection with GUI....right? |
| 18:23.49 | cmihai | No, sarge doesn't really run < 32MB. |
| 18:23.55 | cmihai | Well, it crawls. |
| 18:24.08 | mwilson | Why wouldn't Sarge run in 32 mb? |
| 18:24.10 | abrotman | crawls is fine |
| 18:24.12 | jethro | jeff-stab: what the hell are you trying to do? |
| 18:24.12 | shingouz | cmihai: remove the bells and whistles, discover and such crap and watch sarge take of |
| 18:24.13 | cmihai | You need 24 for the debian-installer. :) |
| 18:24.14 | abrotman | it's just a firewall box :) |
| 18:24.17 | jim | cmihai: probably ok if you get rid of X |
| 18:24.21 | cmihai | For <32M... NetBSD is the way. |
| 18:24.29 | mwilson | oBSD, please. |
| 18:24.32 | cmihai | No. |
| 18:24.33 | shingouz | cmihai: did i mention the debian installer as a tool to install it? |
| 18:24.36 | pipeline | for <32M, the garbage bin is the way |
| 18:24.38 | greycat | !start a BSD war |
| 18:24.39 | cmihai | It's slower... |
| 18:24.40 | abrotman | the lowest i have is a 486 with 36 .. just wanted to make sure |
| 18:24.41 | jethro | jeff-stab: if you only need to see if the vncserver is listening, netcat or telnet is just fine. if you want to connect and use the vncserver, you need a vnc client. xvncviewer is one |
| 18:24.46 | *** join/#debian busfahrer (busfahrer@busfahrer.user.unixboard) |
| 18:24.53 | *** join/#debian mtoro (~mtoro@200.72.158.56) |
| 18:24.57 | ricky_clarkson | sparr_: I'd recommend manually doing it. |
| 18:25.01 | busfahrer | Excuse me, what will the release after etch be called? |
| 18:25.07 | cmihai | I'm running NetBSD on my 486 DX4 32MB RAM 600MB hdd, and it runs really good :) |
| 18:25.13 | jeff-stab | see...now I'm on a windows-os to find out how to get connection to the internet |
| 18:25.24 | jethro | jeff-stab: *plonk* |
| 18:25.28 | ricky_clarkson | busfahrer: Not sid. |
| 18:25.29 | *** join/#debian magnetic (~magnetic@107.Red-83-54-91.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:25.36 | busfahrer | ricky_clarkson: I know... |
| 18:25.48 | mwilson | I really need to reinstall my copy of oBSD on my thinkpad... |
| 18:25.59 | *** part/#debian dhuv (~dhuv@67.111.175.112.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 18:26.02 | ricky_clarkson | busfahrer: Doesn't matter, none of us will live that long. |
| 18:26.09 | busfahrer | lol |
| 18:26.14 | shingouz | abrotman: i have installed sarge once onto a P1-75 with 16M ram. with icewm. X was slow as molasses but otherwise the system was actually pretty snappy. 2.6.something on it. dist-upgrade from woody that time |
| 18:26.16 | Mosher | for an 1X86 architecture which kernal should I use to make the system bootable for the stable version |
| 18:26.16 | busfahrer | Probably true. |
| 18:26.16 | jethro | !kernal |
| 18:26.16 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 18:26.24 | busfahrer | lol |
| 18:26.28 | sparr_ | apt-file recommends curl, but wont run without it, shouldnt that be a depend instead of a recommend? |
| 18:26.29 | Mosher | yeah yeah |
| 18:26.29 | ricky_clarkson | !carnal |
| 18:26.35 | sparr_ | wont UPDATE without it, i should say |
| 18:26.37 | tobs | !colonel |
| 18:26.39 | tobs | D: |
| 18:26.42 | Mosher | lol |
| 18:26.43 | abrotman | shingouz: ok .. i have noticed that an apt-get update;apt-get upgrade .. takes *forever* |
| 18:26.59 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: apt-get dist-upgrade, never upgrade. |
| 18:27.11 | ricky_clarkson | Well, not never, but only if you know why. |
| 18:27.17 | *** join/#debian robin_sz (~robin@adsl.redpoint.org.uk) |
| 18:27.24 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: i do know why .. thank you very much |
| 18:27.39 | jeff-stab | but thanks until now....I'l try and find out if I talked riddicolous stuff.. |
| 18:27.43 | shingouz | abrotman: true. i didnt say it is fun, i said it is doable. maybe a chroot install |
| 18:27.55 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Your welcum, bud. |
| 18:28.02 | abrotman | !spank ricky_clarkson |
| 18:28.07 | *** join/#debian spotswoode (~bbest@69-160-121-142.chvlva.adelphia.net) |
| 18:28.29 | *** join/#debian Apage43 (apage43@69.29.33.50) |
| 18:28.37 | Mosher | which KERNEL should I select ... |
| 18:28.47 | jim | one that works |
| 18:28.53 | Mosher | well of course |
| 18:29.12 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: sadly .. i don't get british humour |
| 18:29.16 | Apage43 | Anyone know why I have to reinstall my nvidia driver every time I restart? |
| 18:29.17 | *** join/#debian websdale (~andy@cpc1-lewi1-3-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:29.23 | *** join/#debian buut (~buut@buut.demon.nl) |
| 18:29.28 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: You should watch BBC Parliament. |
| 18:29.31 | greycat | Apage43: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 18:29.40 | greycat | Apage43: or did you mean "modprobe"? man 5 modules |
| 18:29.41 | *** join/#debian Frankablu (~Frankablu@i-195-137-78-152.freedom2surf.net) |
| 18:29.45 | *** join/#debian kerneld (~david@cpe-66-68-201-176.rgv.res.rr.com) |
| 18:29.47 | Mosher | just wondering if 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 18:29.59 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: now why the hell would i do that .. i've got enough problems with my own gov't :) |
| 18:30.01 | *** join/#debian ZombB (~zombi@dsl-084-056-038-025.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:30.09 | madclicker | why when i install bld on sarge none of the "/etc/bld/" directories exist? |
| 18:30.11 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Humour. |
| 18:30.12 | *** join/#debian ariel (~ariel@host1.200-82-110.telecom.net.ar) |
| 18:30.13 | Apage43 | greycat: No, I meant reinstall :D |
| 18:30.15 | jim | Mosher: what does it depend on? |
| 18:30.26 | *** join/#debian kevin_ (~kevin@toronto-HSE-ppp4058975.sympatico.ca) |
| 18:30.35 | resiak | sparr_: File a bug, and see what the maintainer says. |
| 18:30.41 | Mosher | thank you jim |
| 18:30.52 | Mosher | not quite sure ... I am obviously a new deian user |
| 18:30.58 | ricky_clarkson | Mmm, Chicken Supreme court. |
| 18:30.59 | Apage43 | um |
| 18:31.01 | Mosher | *debian |
| 18:31.03 | jim | new linux user? |
| 18:31.08 | Apage43 | whoever told me to use the 'one-liner' there |
| 18:31.14 | sparr_ | resiak: someone already did |
| 18:31.17 | Apage43 | those packages are for debian kernels :( |
| 18:31.23 | Mosher | I have never used linux but I used unix a long time ago |
| 18:31.26 | ricky_clarkson | Apage43: What do you use, Mandrake kernels? |
| 18:31.40 | Apage43 | kernel.org kernels |
| 18:31.49 | greycat | Apage43: /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:31.50 | ricky_clarkson | Apage43: Any particular reason? |
| 18:31.57 | *** join/#debian _MoDaX_ (ixrwei@lan-71-78.skynet.lt) |
| 18:31.58 | jethro | Apage43: just m-a a-i nvidia then |
| 18:32.02 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: because he hasn't read "/msg dpkg kernel of instability" yet |
| 18:32.02 | Apage43 | jethro: K |
| 18:32.03 | crystalremo | what do i need to do to write (and delete) on an ntfs partition? |
| 18:32.09 | jim | Mosher: one thing that will be helpful is to be familiar with your hardware |
| 18:32.12 | greycat | crystalremo: install windows |
| 18:32.14 | stew | crystalremo: install windows |
| 18:32.19 | greycat | !lose stew |
| 18:32.20 | dpkg | stew: You Lose. |
| 18:32.23 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: As they say in Birmingham, England: "innit". |
| 18:32.24 | stew | drat |
| 18:32.24 | resiak | crystalremo: A magic hat! |
| 18:32.25 | jethro | greycat: kernel.org has 2.4 kernels debian doesn't provide yet :) |
| 18:32.26 | crystalremo | greycat: lol |
| 18:32.34 | ariel | anyone here could help me, I compiled my 2.6 kernel and I got this message at boot time Kernel Panic: "Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 18:32.43 | Apage43 | I don't care about that it might be unstable |
| 18:32.52 | Apage43 | ariel: Did you ADD a correct root=? |
| 18:32.53 | cmihai | ariel: sure. |
| 18:32.55 | cmihai | Append the correct root=. |
| 18:33.02 | greycat | Apage43: then what *do* you care about? |
| 18:33.05 | ricky_clarkson | ariel: Where is Linux installed to? /dev/hdWhat? |
| 18:33.05 | *** join/#debian potemkin (~potemkin@efsq.demon.nl) |
| 18:33.07 | Mosher | Jim : true ... I have an ix86 architecture |
| 18:33.13 | resiak | ariel: Why are you rolling your own? |
| 18:33.15 | Mosher | of course |
| 18:33.16 | Apage43 | greycat: Not much. |
| 18:33.24 | crystalremo | greycat: no seriously, is it possible to write/delete on an ntfs partition? |
| 18:33.25 | ariel | resiak: /dev/hda1 |
| 18:33.26 | *** join/#debian mortum (~mortum@84.232.61.49) |
| 18:33.31 | jim | ok, what do you have in the way of storage? |
| 18:33.33 | ricky_clarkson | ariel: So use root=/dev/hda1 |
| 18:33.34 | jethro | crystalremo: google for captive-ntfs |
| 18:33.35 | greycat | crystalremo: yes. with microsoft windows NT. |
| 18:33.36 | resiak | ariel: ricky_clarkson asked you that. |
| 18:33.38 | amorphix | whats the command to format a fd? |
| 18:33.38 | Mosher | plenty |
| 18:33.39 | cmihai | crystalremo: sure. |
| 18:33.42 | Apage43 | greycat: Mostly that I can use all the newest kernel features because I'm a curious farf. |
| 18:33.42 | tobs | resiak: nothing wrong with compiling your own kernel D: |
| 18:33.46 | *** join/#debian n0cturn0 (~n0cturn0@201.24.2.194) |
| 18:33.46 | ricky_clarkson | amorphix: mkfs |
| 18:33.46 | *** join/#debian Maus (~GM@cpe-24-208-180-140.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 18:33.46 | *** join/#debian mar_garina_ (~mar_garin@85-64-242-167.barak-online.net) |
| 18:33.50 | amorphix | thanks |
| 18:33.52 | *** join/#debian mea_ (~mea@p54A7DF8E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:33.52 | *** join/#debian crashbg (~crashbg@crashbg.net) |
| 18:33.52 | cmihai | crystalremo: Safest way to do it is with CAPTIVE NTFS. |
| 18:33.57 | resiak | tobs: Nothing really right if you have no good reason. |
| 18:33.58 | ricky_clarkson | amorphix: Also mformat (from mtools). |
| 18:33.59 | cmihai | Google.com/linux + captive ntfs |
| 18:33.59 | Apage43 | Also I like compiling kernels |
| 18:34.03 | greycat | safest way to do it is not to do it at all. |
| 18:34.04 | Apage43 | I enjoy it |
| 18:34.08 | resiak | amorphix: Sorry |
| 18:34.08 | greycat | use VFAT instead |
| 18:34.13 | Apage43 | I have kernel compiling races |
| 18:34.15 | tobs | that's the dumbest thing i've heard today |
| 18:34.18 | ricky_clarkson | Apage43: There are distributions for people like you. |
| 18:34.20 | resiak | amorphix: Wait, I didn't address you. |
| 18:34.23 | ricky_clarkson | Debian isn't one of them. |
| 18:34.24 | tobs | maybe even this week. |
| 18:34.26 | jethro | !pal Apage43 |
| 18:34.31 | amorphix | oh |
| 18:34.32 | Apage43 | but I don't like compiling anything else |
| 18:34.32 | jethro | tobs: and it's not even sunday! |
| 18:34.35 | Apage43 | at all |
| 18:34.39 | cmihai | lol |
| 18:34.39 | Apage43 | especially mozilla |
| 18:34.43 | greycat | Apage43: /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:34.44 | Mosher | the partition that I have establisted for debian is about 60 gigs |
| 18:34.44 | *** part/#debian busfahrer (busfahrer@busfahrer.user.unixboard) |
| 18:34.49 | ariel | Apage43: I put hda1 exactly like this kernel that boots fine |
| 18:34.50 | jethro | Apage43: /msg dpkg enter |
| 18:34.51 | resiak | amorphix: I can't read _or_ type. |
| 18:34.51 | *** join/#debian Pingu12- (~Disney@e178193057.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:34.56 | ricky_clarkson | I don't like compiling Java, but it's well, I'm a Java programmer. ;( |
| 18:34.57 | tobs | jethro: indeed |
| 18:35.02 | Apage43 | It doesn't matter |
| 18:35.07 | jim | Mosher: on what type of drive? |
| 18:35.10 | Apage43 | I use make deb-pkg when I compile them anyway |
| 18:35.15 | ricky_clarkson | The compiler looks at me funny. |
| 18:35.17 | hellz | what is the glibc in debian package list |
| 18:35.19 | Mosher | hitachi |
| 18:35.24 | sparr_ | resiak: the maintainer is using the "its a feature, not a bug" defense :) |
| 18:35.30 | resiak | sparr_: Heh |
| 18:35.37 | Mosher | it is my primary |
| 18:35.38 | ricky_clarkson | I like the term "featurebug". |
| 18:35.48 | jim | what kind of cable connects the drive to the controller? what kind of controller? |
| 18:35.48 | *** join/#debian Cronic (~cronic@112-141.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 18:35.53 | Mosher | IDE |
| 18:36.10 | Cronic | Im having issues with TC. Im not sure what the heck to do. Im trying to limit BW to an IP to 512KB |
| 18:36.14 | ricky_clarkson | Integrated Drive Electronics, hell yeah! *salute* |
| 18:36.23 | tobs | Cronic: QoS? |
| 18:36.25 | Mosher | lol |
| 18:36.25 | jim | ok... what kind of internet connection do you have? |
| 18:36.32 | Mosher | DSL |
| 18:36.34 | nvz | Apage43: kp is much much easier, does everything in one step, no need to be root, no need to configure in a separate step... takes care of patching..everything |
| 18:36.36 | *** join/#debian Pryon (~Pryon@24-177-210-39.dhcp.almg.nm.charter.com) |
| 18:36.53 | Cronic | tobs: What's QoS? |
| 18:37.02 | greycat | nvz: you still have to configure it. |
| 18:37.02 | jim | the phone line plugs into? |
| 18:37.04 | nvz | I slept like it was an olympic sport last night |
| 18:37.04 | ricky_clarkson | Quality of Service? |
| 18:37.04 | tobs | quality of service |
| 18:37.13 | Cronic | yeah but what does that have to do with TC? |
| 18:37.15 | ricky_clarkson | Quantity of Strippers? |
| 18:37.15 | tobs | there is a kernel module for it |
| 18:37.18 | Mosher | yeah .... |
| 18:37.20 | stew | !qos |
| 18:37.21 | dpkg | well, qos is Quality of Service, a way of prioritizing IP traffic, or see DiffServ, or see Linux 2.4 Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO at http://www.ds9a.nl/2.4Routing/ |
| 18:37.23 | nvz | greycat: read before you speak :P --config |
| 18:37.24 | greycat | Queen of Spades? |
| 18:37.27 | mousy | Cronic: QoS is what tc does |
| 18:37.30 | greycat | nvz: you still have to configure it. |
| 18:37.33 | nvz | greycat: what I said is there is one step |
| 18:37.35 | Cronic | oh alright. Im sorry Im new to this. |
| 18:37.50 | Mosher | highspeed and high bandwith |
| 18:37.51 | greycat | nvz: whether you spend 5 seconds typing "make config" or not is not the issue. it's the 30 minutes spent agonizing over stupid defaults. |
| 18:37.55 | cmihai | Try using HTB tools, it's easier... |
| 18:38.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 879] by debhelper |
| 18:38.04 | Cronic | Im already reading that howto.. but Im afraid it's over my head. |
| 18:38.09 | jethro | greycat: cp solves that just fine :) |
| 18:38.10 | jim | what does the phone line plug into exactly? |
| 18:38.14 | stew | dpkg qos =~ s#http://www.ds9a.nl/2.4Routing/#http://lartc.org# |
| 18:38.15 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 18:38.39 | ariel | My kernel was compiled on /dev/hda1 I put root=/dev/hda1 . however I got this message: VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknow-block (0,0) |
| 18:38.45 | stew | dpkg qos=~ s#2.4 ## |
| 18:38.49 | greycat | ariel: /msg dpkg custom kernel |
| 18:38.58 | nvz | feels like I slept for a week and it wasnt enough |
| 18:39.04 | FarrisG | anybody here really good with udev rules? I'm trying to create a rule that will look at my USB harddrive's serial number (which is only listed in the usb device's SYS info, not in the "scsi" device's info) and assign a persistent /dev/$SYMLINK |
| 18:39.12 | jharrisonwk | anyone know how to access a compaq dl360 pentium 3 1.2ghz bios? |
| 18:39.13 | *** join/#debian zophyx (~Emile@zophyx.student.supporter.pdpc) |
| 18:39.13 | Mosher | well everything is routed through by DSL modem ... my Comp is connected by an ethernet cable atm |
| 18:39.22 | nvz | oh well, time to go to the br |
| 18:39.30 | Mosher | so I am using a standard nic card right now |
| 18:39.33 | resiak | ariel: You didn't build in your IDE driver or use an initrd. Why not just use a stock kernel? |
| 18:39.35 | cmihai | I thought devfs already does that... |
| 18:39.40 | mwilson | jharrisonwk: Doesn't F8 get you into the partitioning utility? |
| 18:39.45 | jim | Mosher: what kind of nic? brand/model? |
| 18:39.50 | jharrisonwk | mwilson: f10 |
| 18:39.53 | tobs | Cronic: google for quality of service or traffic shaping linux |
| 18:40.04 | cmihai | Cronic: google for HTB tools also. |
| 18:40.09 | Cronic | tobs: I have, and Im reading what I can, I just don't understand it. :( |
| 18:40.12 | mwilson | jharrisonwk: No, F8 does something... I disremember what. I've not booted one of ours in a very long time. |
| 18:40.14 | stew | forget google, its all at lartc.org |
| 18:40.23 | Mosher | don't recall atm but I have had no problem with the initial install |
| 18:40.24 | cmihai | "Hierarchical Token Bucket ( HTB ) successfully replaces Class Based Queueing ( CBQ ) due to the precise and easy to understand for everybody way it operates." |
| 18:40.28 | tobs | lartc.org is a bit complex |
| 18:40.38 | Mosher | as I am installing from floppy and via network |
| 18:40.40 | FarrisG | Cronic: apt-get install wondershaper. Read the README.Debian |
| 18:40.47 | FarrisG | Cronic: Easy as hell |
| 18:40.48 | *** join/#debian shulik (~Alex@c-24-2-158-109.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) |
| 18:40.51 | jharrisonwk | mwilson: ok I will try F8 |
| 18:40.54 | tobs | yea |
| 18:40.57 | zinx | cmihai: hah, but it really is easier/more accurate than CBQ |
| 18:41.11 | cmihai | Yep |
| 18:41.17 | Apage43 | Um |
| 18:41.19 | jim | Mosher: you could try the 2.4 kernel; it should work |
| 18:41.22 | Apage43 | what was that gtk gui builder |
| 18:41.23 | Apage43 | glide? |
| 18:41.24 | tobs | zinosat: who said it wasnt? ;p |
| 18:41.27 | Mosher | thank you jim |
| 18:41.29 | directhex | glade2 |
| 18:41.32 | cmihai | Glade |
| 18:41.35 | mousy | FarrisG: wondershaper doesn't support limiting one host to some given rate, does it? |
| 18:41.37 | zinx | tobs: well, the broken english and all is kinda funny ;) |
| 18:41.46 | directhex | it's not bad for making the gui, but is irritating to link into any actual code |
| 18:41.53 | *** part/#debian Mosher (~lukei4655@70-59-104-148.albq.qwest.net) |
| 18:41.55 | Apage43 | GLADE |
| 18:41.58 | Apage43 | There we go |
| 18:42.00 | FarrisG | mousy: Probably not. It will only work per device. |
| 18:42.11 | resiak | directhex: How so? |
| 18:42.18 | Cronic | FarrisG: Thanks I'll check it out now |
| 18:42.22 | mousy | FarrisG: so i guess Cronic won't need wondershaper |
| 18:42.23 | FarrisG | mousy: Strike that, per interface |
| 18:42.31 | green_earz | cmihai: http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/traffic_shaping/classes.html |
| 18:42.32 | ariel | resiak: I can see that initrd line did not appears on the entries of menu.lst |
| 18:42.48 | directhex | resiak, i just found it a pain to link up what was in glade to actual gtk2 objects. though i could probably blame the shoddy gtk# documentation for that |
| 18:42.49 | Cronic | damn ok... |
| 18:43.00 | resiak | ariel: Because you didn't make one? |
| 18:43.02 | Cronic | *stresses* How can I do this?! :( |
| 18:43.11 | resiak | directhex: GTK SHARP?????????? |
| 18:43.12 | *** join/#debian Flying_C (~mirc@c-431ae353.1141-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 18:43.22 | *** join/#debian simy (~simy@69.73.83.171) |
| 18:43.30 | *** join/#debian dani (~dani@82.52.150.68) |
| 18:43.33 | tobs | gogog c# |
| 18:43.34 | amorphix | is it possible to format a fd with fdformat to 1722k higher density? cant figure out command to use |
| 18:43.38 | directhex | resiak, you're surprised the owner of a 3800+ athlon 64 likes to live life on the edge? O_o |
| 18:43.39 | Apage43 | c# is frown. |
| 18:43.41 | ricky_clarkson | !make up a language |
| 18:43.42 | tobs | heh |
| 18:43.50 | jharrisonwk | mwilson: F8 gets me into the 5i controller configuration but not BIOS |
| 18:43.52 | tobs | c# is easier than php |
| 18:43.53 | ariel | resiak: I'm affraid I didn't. how can I make it? |
| 18:43.55 | jim | no, frown is #c |
| 18:44.13 | robin_sz | thats because php is (mostly) a pile of shit |
| 18:44.15 | directhex | actually as a language c# isn't bad, just poorly documented |
| 18:44.25 | *** join/#debian samuel_ (~samuel@201.144.112.3) |
| 18:44.27 | directhex | i'll stick with perl for gtk2 development for now |
| 18:44.29 | resiak | ariel: Read the Debian Reference's chapter on rolling a kernel, or why not just _use_ _a_ _Debian_ _kernel_? |
| 18:44.47 | jharrisonwk | ill stick to python |
| 18:44.55 | robin_sz | actually, let me correct that .. php itself is sort of OK, most php projects are a pile of shit |
| 18:44.56 | *** join/#debian teclo (1001@83-134-3-52.Paille.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be) |
| 18:45.01 | tobs | heh |
| 18:45.07 | tobs | php has no semblance |
| 18:45.10 | directhex | !start a language war |
| 18:45.12 | dpkg | COBOL is faster than Lua |
| 18:45.14 | pipatron | php is a hack :) |
| 18:45.19 | jim | !start a barbie war |
| 18:45.20 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
| 18:45.26 | tobs | !stop the language war. |
| 18:45.28 | directhex | !start a food fight |
| 18:45.29 | tobs | D: |
| 18:45.29 | dpkg | bread is teh sux |
| 18:45.32 | tobs | rofl |
| 18:45.34 | *** join/#debian tell (tell@202pc210.sshunet.nl) |
| 18:45.39 | ricky_clarkson | !make up a language is <reply>I've heard that (Visual|Borland|Pretend|Object|Objective|||) (C|Java|PHP|Perl|Python|Ruby|FORTRAN)(++|#| for PalmOS|.NET|.ASM) is the (next best thing|shit|bee's knees). |
| 18:45.39 | dpkg | okay, ricky_clarkson |
| 18:45.43 | ricky_clarkson | !make up a language |
| 18:45.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, make up a language is |) (C|Java|PHP|Perl|Python|Ruby|FORTRAN)(++|#| for PalmOS|.NET|.ASM) is the (next best thing|shit|bee's knees). |
| 18:45.44 | robin_sz | tobs: if written nicely, with classes and a template layer for presentation, its not bad, see mambo for example |
| 18:45.47 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, damn. |
| 18:46.02 | greycat | hrm. |
| 18:46.09 | tobs | robin_sz: php itself is still all over the plae, there's no denying it |
| 18:46.11 | ricky_clarkson | !make up a language ~= s/|||// |
| 18:46.12 | tobs | place* |
| 18:46.23 | greycat | =~ not ~= |
| 18:46.30 | teclo | Hello, installing woody on a machine, the ESDI/SCSI hard disk isn't recognized. I choose "Preload essential modules from floppy", and if I insert driver-1.bin, the installer says "Cannot mount /dev/fd0". Where can I find the modules ? Do I have to format the disk in vfat or ext2? (Note: I *cannot* install sarge on that box: not enough memory). Any ideas ? |
| 18:46.30 | shingouz | #debian-bots? |
| 18:46.37 | resiak | directhex: Where's your kernel factoid. |
| 18:46.41 | ariel | resiak: I read I'll reach best performance If I compile my own kernel.so I tried it. but now, I going to read "rolling a kernel" I order to fix this |
| 18:46.43 | ricky_clarkson | !make up a language |
| 18:46.44 | dpkg | I've heard that Pretend Perl# is the next best thing. |
| 18:46.45 | robin_sz | tobs: but mostly the applications written do not do it nicely .. eg xrms, or oscommerce. both good examples of how not to code. |
| 18:46.45 | tell | in my new custom kernel i selected the arts-soud architecture and implemented my sblaster live, still i have no sound. kde returnes an error-message saying /dev/dsp cant be opened. what could be wrong? |
| 18:47.00 | *** join/#debian dEsC (~catcher@lars.web52.dk) |
| 18:47.03 | ariel | resiak: thanks for helping me |
| 18:47.12 | resiak | ariel: That's not necessary. Just install the right kernel for your arch. |
| 18:47.17 | robin_sz | tobs: for some reason, php seems to attract more wank code than most langauges .. dunno why. |
| 18:47.22 | jim | teclo: woody is goody, but it's old and grey... sarge is a barge and has come into the fray |
| 18:47.27 | tobs | because it's loosely-typed |
| 18:47.34 | tobs | and loosely written in general |
| 18:47.35 | *** join/#debian appaji (~appaji@appaji.user) |
| 18:47.40 | directhex | ricky_clarkson, you missed BrainFuck |
| 18:47.41 | shingouz | jim: that is an IBM PS/2 77 |
| 18:47.52 | ricky_clarkson | directhex: Feel free. |
| 18:47.57 | directhex | ricky_clarkson, brainfuck.net can do full .net web objects if you ask it nicely! \o/ |
| 18:48.02 | *** join/#debian HSorgYves (HSorgYves@pi-000001.user) |
| 18:48.05 | robin_sz | tobs: possibly, but perl is loosely (or I prefer, dynamically) typed .. but theres some beutiful Perl out there ... |
| 18:48.16 | directhex | dpkg, make up a language =~ s/Perl/Perl|BrainFuck/ |
| 18:48.16 | dpkg | OK, directhex |
| 18:48.27 | teclo | jim: Not enough memory :/ ... IBM PS/2 Model 77 ... |
| 18:48.37 | jim | ohh |
| 18:48.42 | dEsC | A good gnome wifi monitor? |
| 18:48.43 | *** join/#debian K-sPecial (~kspecial@nc-65-41-171-142.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) |
| 18:48.51 | robin_sz | tobs: you need to see the xrms prject for some REALLY shite php ... |
| 18:48.51 | shingouz | teclo: been a bit busy today, lemme type up this one email, go have a smoke and read up a bit on louis' site. lets say about 20 mins? |
| 18:48.52 | *** join/#debian dani_ (~dani@82.52.150.68) |
| 18:49.03 | tobs | robin_sz: i've seen oscommerce >_< |
| 18:49.16 | resiak | dpkg: make up a language =~ s#Perl#Perl|Bash# |
| 18:49.17 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 18:49.18 | robin_sz | tobs: oh, its worse than oscommerce .. |
| 18:49.21 | teclo | shingouz: ok, no problem :) |
| 18:49.32 | tobs | robin_sz: *shudder* |
| 18:49.40 | robin_sz | tobs: the SQL in xrms is .. well, amazing ... worst ive ever seen |
| 18:49.45 | Cronic | Im lost. |
| 18:49.50 | cmihai | teclo: you mean ALSA ?! |
| 18:49.51 | Cronic | I can't find this HTB tools |
| 18:49.56 | *** join/#debian terrex (~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com) |
| 18:49.58 | jim | dpkg: make up a language =~ s#Perl#Perl|snobol# |
| 18:49.58 | dpkg | OK, jim |
| 18:50.22 | teclo | cmihai: alsa ??? |
| 18:50.29 | *** join/#debian kzm (~ketil@133.80-202-98.nextgentel.com) |
| 18:50.32 | teclo | cmihai: alsa on a IBM PS/2 Model 77 ??? |
| 18:50.32 | tobs | advanced linux sound architecture |
| 18:50.35 | cmihai | ALSA -> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. |
| 18:50.37 | ricky_clarkson | I think that factoid will get more edits than uses. |
| 18:50.43 | cmihai | ARTS -> KDE CRAP. |
| 18:50.43 | teclo | Yes, I know what alsa is :) |
| 18:50.51 | robin_sz | and salsa? |
| 18:50.54 | shingouz | maybe with soundpiper |
| 18:50.54 | teclo | but, why would I need to use alsa on that kind of machines ? |
| 18:50.58 | ricky_clarkson | Salsa is what I teach. |
| 18:51.00 | jim | or balsa? |
| 18:51.12 | Anders | and samba? |
| 18:51.14 | teclo | the piper will lead us to reason... |
| 18:51.15 | madclicker | is there a way to block msn? |
| 18:51.15 | Anders | ;) |
| 18:51.17 | tobs | some awesome latin saucy additive |
| 18:51.18 | tobs | D: |
| 18:51.25 | jim | and labamba? |
| 18:51.30 | teclo | madclicker: firewall it... |
| 18:51.36 | cmihai | Just pkill artsd. |
| 18:51.36 | ricky_clarkson | jim: lambada or la bamba? |
| 18:51.48 | robin_sz | sigh ... why none of the motion viewers in debian huh? |
| 18:51.55 | robin_sz | sigh.... |
| 18:51.57 | madclicker | telco: i have, also installed squid to proxy 80, but still the bugger works |
| 18:51.58 | jim | yes :) |
| 18:52.02 | ricky_clarkson | robin_sz: You want a motion viewer that goes 'huh'? |
| 18:52.03 | cmihai | teclo: sorry, I meant tell :) |
| 18:52.18 | robin_sz | ricky_clarkson: not as such |
| 18:52.20 | *** join/#debian i2wild (~i2wild@static-66-244-94-153.smithvilledsl.net) |
| 18:52.30 | ricky_clarkson | tobs: Yeah, salsa literally means sauce. |
| 18:52.41 | cmihai | Really ? |
| 18:52.45 | cmihai | I thought it was a dance... |
| 18:52.47 | robin_sz | debian has the 'motion' package, but seemingly none of the viewers. how useful is that? |
| 18:52.48 | ricky_clarkson | Realidad. |
| 18:52.49 | cmihai | Or something like that. |
| 18:52.53 | ricky_clarkson | cmihai: It is. |
| 18:52.59 | tobs | una baila~ |
| 18:53.02 | jim | salsa is the stuff you put on tacos and stuff |
| 18:53.14 | *** join/#debian Thor- (~spam@oestby.com) |
| 18:53.17 | jethro | salsa is a dance |
| 18:53.20 | valdyn | madclicker: putting a transparent http proxy on port 80 ( if you even did that ) has about nothing to do with blocking msn or anything else. |
| 18:53.22 | directhex | mmmmmm tacos |
| 18:53.26 | ricky_clarkson | Yeah, and Java is an Indonesian island. |
| 18:53.30 | directhex | !start a food fight |
| 18:53.30 | dpkg | coleslaw is not healthy |
| 18:53.36 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: :) |
| 18:53.39 | cmihai | wtf is coleslaw :) |
| 18:53.49 | directhex | unpleasant |
| 18:53.51 | *** join/#debian apfel (~apfel@gb185.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) |
| 18:53.56 | shingouz | thinly sliced cabbage |
| 18:53.58 | Pryon | boo. coleslaw owns you |
| 18:53.59 | jim | salad with lotsa mayo or soemthing |
| 18:53.59 | greycat | shredded cabbage |
| 18:53.59 | directhex | !dict coleslaw |
| 18:54.01 | dpkg | could not find definition for coleslaw |
| 18:54.03 | ricky_clarkson | cmihai: Chopped salad with rubbish sauce on. |
| 18:54.16 | *** join/#debian greyson (~greyson@ein.mephisto-tabernacle.net) |
| 18:54.16 | mousy | Cronic: did you try this? http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.ratelimit.single.html |
| 18:54.17 | cmihai | Sound disgusting. |
| 18:54.18 | stew | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleslaw |
| 18:54.19 | shingouz | makes you fart |
| 18:54.33 | ricky_clarkson | shingouz: So does beer, that's not a reason to hate it. |
| 18:54.34 | *** join/#debian THuG_LaW (~CrazySexy@82.147.154.159) |
| 18:54.39 | greycat | where do you live that you don't know what cole slaw is? |
| 18:54.40 | cmihai | Sometimes I wonder how people have the time to wiki that shit. |
| 18:54.43 | mwilson | Some people put carrots in coleslaw. |
| 18:54.58 | ricky_clarkson | cmihai: There's a lot of free time in the world, collectively. |
| 18:55.01 | greyson | Hey, I was here a few days ago, and someone was arguing against qmail, but suggested magic-smtpd as the drop-in replacement. Is there a .deb for that anywhere? |
| 18:55.03 | shingouz | ricky_clarkson: i am not going to tell you what else coleslaw does to me. nasty stuff |
| 18:55.10 | Thor- | upgraded to sarge. now a few days later I rebooted the machine and it will not boot from the HDD. using knoppix I see al disks are fine and the data is all there. could it be a faulty MBR? and how would I fix it? |
| 18:55.14 | ricky_clarkson | shingouz: I blame your useless body. |
| 18:55.23 | shingouz | ricky_clarkson: so do i |
| 18:55.38 | *** join/#debian newdebusr (~newdebusr@fundus1lt.med.unc.edu) |
| 18:55.39 | greyson | Thor-: Try rerunning lilo (assuming that's what you use. |
| 18:55.40 | cmihai | greyson: well, I always cook myself. Pizza, hamburgers... the usual :) |
| 18:55.46 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.46 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.48 | cmihai | (for) |
| 18:55.48 | greycat | EEEK! |
| 18:55.54 | ricky_clarkson | Thor-: Boot from a rescue disk (or chroot in from Knoppix) and rerun lilo (or whatever the grubby equivalent is). |
| 18:55.57 | greycat | sounds proprietary. |
| 18:56.07 | jim | you cook yourself? wow... |
| 18:56.12 | cmihai | For |
| 18:56.14 | cmihai | myself... grr |
| 18:56.15 | ricky_clarkson | If |
| 18:56.29 | Thor- | greyson: to rerun lilo I would need to be able to boot into sarge wouldn't I? could I do it from the knoppix live CD? |
| 18:56.37 | greycat | ``This opensource version has been released to allow others to benifit from it's anti-spam components'' (two errors in one line. wow.) |
| 18:56.46 | jim | sheesh, I was gonna say... what a burningly hot experience... |
| 18:57.05 | cmihai | heh. |
| 18:57.29 | robin_sz | sigh .. and the current motion package for sarge segfaults :( |
| 18:57.35 | *** part/#debian Karhuton (~timo@YYYMCCXXXVII.dsl.saunalahti.fi) |
| 18:57.36 | *** join/#debian Disp (~sean@dsl093-040-143.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 18:57.40 | cmihai | Well, "cook" means "put pizza in microwave, forget pizza in microwave, sleep, get pizza from microwave owen, eat pizza, puke. |
| 18:57.40 | Thor- | ricky_clarkson: how would I chroot in form knoppix? lice cd? do you have a link to an howto perhaps? |
| 18:57.43 | TiMiDo | ? |
| 18:57.48 | *** part/#debian i2wild (~i2wild@static-66-244-94-153.smithvilledsl.net) |
| 18:57.58 | Eulex | I need the kernel source of the 2.6.11 kernel in testing for compiling kqemu, but it's not in testing yet... I've tried the 2.6.11 kernel-source in testing, but it didn't work... what to do? I know the reason the kernel source is not in testing yet, but that won't affect me |
| 18:58.00 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: They have an attractive toolbar at the top of the page though. |
| 18:58.07 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: not in lynx they don't. |
| 18:58.08 | ricky_clarkson | Roll your mouse around it. |
| 18:58.11 | *** join/#debian monchy (monchy@S010600e04c400007.ok.shawcable.net) |
| 18:58.19 | Eulex | umh, *2.6.11 kernel source in unstable |
| 18:58.20 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Wrong answer. |
| 18:58.26 | cmihai | Eulex: did you say KQEmu ? Is that... a faster QEmu |
| 18:58.33 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: "In lynx everything is attractive.". |
| 18:58.34 | Eulex | cmihai: yes |
| 18:58.39 | cmihai | Wow, I knew it! Win4Lin is just a fancy QEmu! |
| 18:58.46 | *** join/#debian Xyrouz (~Xyrouz@535AA218.flatrate.dk) |
| 18:58.49 | *** join/#debian dfzi (deefzi@YYYMCCVI.dsl.saunalahti.fi) |
| 18:59.03 | *** join/#debian meppl (mephisto@p54AAD94C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:59.07 | cmihai | And it's fast. Now I really have to give QEmu another look. It was slow, but now... |
| 18:59.24 | *** join/#debian Frankablu (~Frankablu@i-195-137-78-152.freedom2surf.net) |
| 18:59.42 | *** join/#debian flo (~konversat@i3ED6DBDB.versanet.de) |
| 18:59.43 | Eulex | do anyone know where to get the 2.6.11-5 kernel source with debian patches? |
| 18:59.58 | dfzi | how come i get this (Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.6.11.8deadfizh/modules.dep and modprobe: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented and modprobe: Can't locate module iptables) although i compiled the new kernel with iptables as a module |
| 19:00.04 | greycat | Eulex: uh, from debian? |
| 19:00.08 | amorphix | how can i format my fd to 1722k density format? |
| 19:00.09 | directhex | -5 is ubuntu, not debian |
| 19:00.14 | *** join/#debian galataranator (~aika@213.192.62.85) |
| 19:00.18 | cmihai | 2.6.11-1 is the lastest in Etch... |
| 19:00.19 | valdyn | !qm_modules |
| 19:00.20 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 19:00.22 | directhex | debian is -1, -2, -9 or -10 |
| 19:00.24 | greycat | then how could it have debian patches, if it's ubuntu? |
| 19:00.26 | ricky_clarkson | "For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix." |
| 19:00.32 | ricky_clarkson | So what version are we on? |
| 19:00.36 | directhex | ooh, fluffy! |
| 19:00.39 | ricky_clarkson | !info alsa sid |
| 19:00.44 | directhex | !info alsa-base sid |
| 19:00.46 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA driver configuration files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.9b-2 (sid), Packaged size: 115 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
| 19:00.46 | greycat | alsa-source maybe |
| 19:00.52 | *** join/#debian cuse (~cuse@dsl60b2241.sdtnet.de) |
| 19:00.56 | ricky_clarkson | What's b-2 compared to rc2? |
| 19:00.57 | Eulex | cmihai: meant 2.6.11.5, the one in unstable is 2.6.11-7 |
| 19:01.15 | *** join/#debian nibbledumb (~bitwisetr@cpe-67-9-157-19.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 19:01.16 | Eulex | umh, 2.6.11.7 |
| 19:01.22 | jim | b2 is nothing... but b3 has a great tone... |
| 19:01.23 | dfzi | cmihai, thank you :-) |
| 19:01.31 | *** join/#debian mortum (~mortum@84.232.61.49) |
| 19:01.35 | galataranator | Hi, I am installing Debian on a box which has 12 partitions already....what is the limit for the root partition to reside in? |
| 19:01.38 | ricky_clarkson | I'm going to stop using Linux, the version numbers are too long. |
| 19:01.40 | greycat | magic-smtpd appears to be under a pine-style license. "No distributing modified binaries" |
| 19:01.50 | galataranator | I have it on /dev/hda13 and home on /dev/hda14 |
| 19:01.52 | valdyn | galataranator: no limit. |
| 19:02.05 | cmihai | Smells like DJB software :P |
| 19:02.09 | galataranator | okay, i get the wonderful VFS unable to mount root goodness |
| 19:02.14 | *** join/#debian jayparadise (~james@cpe-024-211-050-039.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 19:02.17 | Gathond | galataranator: as long as the partitioning scheme used supports that number the root partition can be anyware |
| 19:02.26 | directhex | !start a license war |
| 19:02.26 | dpkg | GPL r0xx0rs! |
| 19:02.40 | valdyn | galataranator: let me guess... custom kernel? |
| 19:02.43 | ricky_clarkson | !make up a language |
| 19:02.43 | cmihai | BSD Rocks ! !!!@# |
| 19:02.44 | dpkg | I've heard that Borland PHP# is the shit. |
| 19:02.51 | galataranator | valdyn: no, this is for a friend |
| 19:02.51 | cbr | has anybody ever compiled a kde theme in debian? |
| 19:03.02 | *** join/#debian pabl0 (~pabl0@201.129.196.53) |
| 19:03.03 | Pryon | no |
| 19:03.05 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 19:03.22 | Eulex | cbr: no, never on #debian :) |
| 19:03.32 | cmihai | By the way, is there a repositry for KQEmu? Maybe marillat has it ? |
| 19:03.34 | galataranator | i am just trying to do an install for this guy and he has windows xp on /dev/hda1, then the rest of the disk is extended |
| 19:03.48 | galataranator | and hda2, 3, 4 are DOS FAT FS |
| 19:03.50 | *** join/#debian DaGo (~ieee@85-48-67-226.mad1.adsl.uni2.es) |
| 19:03.51 | *** join/#debian bluedwarf (~netwalker@adsl-84-226-48-241.adslplus.ch) |
| 19:03.53 | cbr | nope, not marillat |
| 19:03.59 | galataranator | and he has mandrake taking up through /dev/hda12 |
| 19:04.03 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, could people with questions go to #debian-questions, people with answers go to #debian-answers and could trolls like myself go to #debian-sadbastards? ;) |
| 19:04.22 | galataranator | i did a minimal install on /dev/hda13 /dev/hda14 / and /home respectively] |
| 19:04.39 | cbr | hda14.. omg |
| 19:04.41 | galataranator | but when i manuall tell grub |
| 19:04.43 | galataranator | yeah |
| 19:04.44 | galataranator | i know |
| 19:04.55 | *** part/#debian scorphus (~scorphus@scorphus.user) |
| 19:05.02 | greycat | isn't 16 the limit for partitions on an IDE disk? |
| 19:05.04 | galataranator | he just wants to try debian |
| 19:05.09 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (~DimmuR@bzv33.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 19:05.09 | galataranator | and then we will clean his box up |
| 19:05.12 | galataranator | when he likes it |
| 19:05.13 | galataranator | :-) |
| 19:05.18 | valdyn | galataranator: something sounds wrong with your partition scheme. |
| 19:05.23 | *** join/#debian PeTeRB (~me@80.232.209.146) |
| 19:05.40 | directhex | i was under the impression that you could put up to 255 logical partitions inside an msdos extended partition, though not many oses will like it |
| 19:05.43 | galataranator | valdyn: well since we are limited to 16 partitions |
| 19:05.54 | *** join/#debian agney (~bofh@agney.user) |
| 19:06.01 | valdyn | galataranator: if one of hda2-4 was extended then there would not be a fat fs on that one. |
| 19:06.07 | galataranator | i can't really create /boot, swap, /, /usr, /tmp, /opt, /var, /home |
| 19:06.30 | ricky_clarkson | galataranator: Only swap needs to be separate, the rest can all be on the same, if that helps. |
| 19:06.38 | Eulex | cmihai: check the license of kqemu... it can't be distributed without permission from the author, and therefore you most probably won't find it in an unofficial apt repository |
| 19:06.42 | directhex | even swap can be in a file if you really want |
| 19:06.47 | nvz | directhex: you got an m in there in front of any for some reason |
| 19:06.49 | ricky_clarkson | directhex: Stonking. |
| 19:06.49 | nvz | :P |
| 19:06.49 | cuse | Hi! I just "tried" to make the transition from kernel 2.4.24 -> 2.6.11 on a box. The 2.6er now boots, but most drivers do not work and lsmod output looks a bit strange: http://rafb.net/paste/results/fYdcLZ23.html That's not normal, is it? Anybody an idea? |
| 19:07.06 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Nice. |
| 19:07.16 | galataranator | valdyn: /dev/hda1 is NTFS, /dev/hda2 is extened taking the whole disk |
| 19:07.34 | valdyn | galataranator: so there is no hda3 and no hda4 |
| 19:07.55 | *** join/#debian mattl (~mattl@81-86-140-194.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 19:08.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 887] by debhelper |
| 19:08.10 | galataranator | valdyn: there is no hda2, and 3 |
| 19:08.18 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 19:08.19 | *** join/#debian Petaris (~Petaris@FredericSD-162.nat.wiscnet.net) |
| 19:08.20 | galataranator | er 3 and 4 |
| 19:08.21 | cmihai | Eulex: oh crap. Bloody licenses. |
| 19:08.21 | galataranator | my bad |
| 19:08.28 | ricky_clarkson | your very bad |
| 19:08.58 | *** join/#debian rox (~rox@tm.213.143.79.69.dc.telemach.net) |
| 19:09.13 | Cronic | I must be retarded. |
| 19:09.14 | *** join/#debian smagy2 (~xyz@boston.angstrom.com) |
| 19:09.19 | Cronic | Can anyone help with tc? |
| 19:09.19 | valdyn | galataranator: i havent had a / above hda9, but i see no reason why 13 should not work, so uh.. |
| 19:09.32 | smagy2 | hello folks can some tell where i could read up machine check exceptions |
| 19:09.32 | *** join/#debian mattl (~mattl@81-86-140-194.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 19:09.43 | nvz | smagy2: google |
| 19:10.33 | *** join/#debian D3v1L (~D3v1L@200.161.13.238) |
| 19:10.43 | *** part/#debian D3v1L (~D3v1L@200.161.13.238) |
| 19:11.03 | amorphix | after running ./MAKEDEV -v fd0 in /dev im not seeing any new fd devices, even tho it says it created them.. any ideas? |
| 19:11.32 | galataranator | okay i have this: hda1 - NTFS, hda2 extened, hda3 and 4 do not exist, hda5-7 W95 FAT32, hda8-12 mandrake, hda13 is the Debian installed / and hda14 is /home |
| 19:11.38 | galataranator | there |
| 19:11.53 | directhex | smagy2, #debian-amd64 are experienced with them |
| 19:12.03 | *** join/#debian faked_ (fake@83-65-238-76.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 19:12.05 | nvz | heh |
| 19:12.09 | galataranator | valdyn: i have manually told grub like this |
| 19:12.13 | *** join/#debian Athenaton (~bohan@ARennes-303-1-45-10.w80-15.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:12.35 | galataranator | "(hd0,12)/vmlinux root=/dev/hda13" |
| 19:12.45 | kerneld | Gah.. Trying to use a old sarge rc netinst disk to recover data from another disk, but I can't get it to boot now. Trying from the cd which uses initrd, the initrd boots fine, but fails mount / |
| 19:12.48 | galataranator | for kernel and it boots but says to use a real root option |
| 19:13.15 | kerneld | tried with and without devfsd |
| 19:13.22 | *** join/#debian Altari (~amewsing@203-59-6-19.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 19:13.28 | valdyn | galataranator: what does it say literally? |
| 19:13.49 | galataranator | valdyn: it says paraphrased as best as i can remember |
| 19:13.56 | cbr | okay |
| 19:13.58 | cbr | fuck |
| 19:14.01 | Altari | viqas.. where are you? |
| 19:14.34 | greycat | cbr: what, right now? here in public? |
| 19:14.39 | valdyn | galataranator: this is far fetched, but uh, maybe "root=/dev/hdaD", no idea if anyone ever tried that |
| 19:14.41 | galataranator | valdyn: "VFS Unable To Mount Root On /dev/hda13 uknown filesystem or device 0,0 or something like that |
| 19:14.47 | cbr | yeah, greycat, k go |
| 19:14.53 | greycat | !fuck cbr |
| 19:15.02 | cbr | lol |
| 19:15.11 | greycat | someone modified it a bit. "pants" is new. |
| 19:15.12 | *** join/#debian schrankwand^ (~schrankwa@p50844057.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:15.13 | cbr | does dpkg have an action for everything? |
| 19:15.14 | tolecnal | *covers his virgen eyes* |
| 19:15.23 | ricky_clarkson | !everything |
| 19:15.23 | galataranator | valdyn: that isn't gonna work ... i was thinking that Sarge has devfs mounted at root and thats not it either |
| 19:15.27 | ricky_clarkson | cbr: No. |
| 19:15.40 | valdyn | galataranator: that has nothing to do with /dev |
| 19:15.40 | galataranator | while: do { bang head on desk } done |
| 19:16.02 | ricky_clarkson | galataranator: Where can I get that bang command? |
| 19:16.06 | schrankwand^ | hi, is kino the best software for cutting videos from my camcorder or is there a better one? |
| 19:16.11 | galataranator | www.bangbus.com |
| 19:16.19 | galataranator | ;-) |
| 19:16.36 | Eulex | !best |
| 19:16.36 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 19:16.46 | Petaris | Can someone help me get hybserv to connect to ircd-hybrid? |
| 19:17.00 | vezult | galataranator: uh, thanks, but please dont post porn URLs here. its not really the place. |
| 19:17.18 | Eulex | umh, rather "best is very subjective" |
| 19:17.19 | amorphix | hi |
| 19:17.20 | galataranator | vezult: sorry i just made that sh$& up |
| 19:17.36 | ricky_clarkson | Eulex: That's funny. People will give more specific answers to "worst". |
| 19:17.44 | galataranator | that is really a port URL? |
| 19:17.50 | galataranator | OMG that is funny |
| 19:18.40 | valdyn | galataranator: google sais that that works. so I would look into that partition, maybe its broken. |
| 19:19.11 | ricky_clarkson | amorphix: I once fooled an Amiga into thinking it had successfully formatted a 32MB floppy disk. |
| 19:19.19 | amorphix | just by reading! 0-0 |
| 19:19.21 | amorphix | hehe |
| 19:19.23 | shingouz | teclo: starting the rtfm |
| 19:19.43 | ricky_clarkson | amorphix: Let's just say that a write-only filesystem was the result.. |
| 19:19.43 | amorphix | my fd drive sounds like a mosquito now |
| 19:19.54 | ricky_clarkson | amorphix: Ever taken apart a floppy drive? |
| 19:19.58 | amorphix | yeah |
| 19:20.03 | galataranator | okay ... well everyone thanks for the help |
| 19:20.05 | *** join/#debian Kupal[] (~Kupal[|]@175-28.9-67.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 19:20.10 | galataranator | i am outta here |
| 19:20.11 | ricky_clarkson | amorphix: Have respect then! It's amazing that they work at all. |
| 19:20.13 | kerneld | heh: google says alot. I wonder what people would do if bumper stickers startted having wwgd on them |
| 19:20.15 | amorphix | well i had one fall apart once and took a look inside |
| 19:20.23 | Kupal[] | whats a good way to replicate a maildir |
| 19:20.38 | jeffx | amorphix: maybe it's time to flash the bios through the floppy drive :> |
| 19:20.55 | amorphix | wooohoo 1722k floppy disks, now i can fit my root fs onto it |
| 19:20.55 | *** join/#debian trc (~trc@20.228.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 19:20.58 | *** join/#debian Hardcore_Troll (~asf@216.240.130.44) |
| 19:20.59 | simy | i just installed a linksys wireless 802.11G wireless card, what module lets me use it, or where can i find info on it? |
| 19:21.01 | *** join/#debian thingfish (~mark@dialup-4.244.162.136.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) |
| 19:21.02 | *** join/#debian metalhedd (~metalhedd@CPE00055dfdc485-CM001225dffb30.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 19:21.05 | amorphix | :-] |
| 19:21.28 | *** join/#debian Theoden (~nobody@c-24-23-197-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:21.35 | metalhedd | is th ere a way to find out what kind of ram (PC133, DDR266 etc...) a system uses from a command prompt? |
| 19:21.45 | shingouz | teclo: what capacity floppy does the thing have? |
| 19:21.48 | amorphix | does anyone have any experience with pcmcia compact flash adaptors? |
| 19:21.51 | nvz | metalhedd: nope |
| 19:22.06 | amorphix | how well supported are they in latest kernel? |
| 19:22.31 | nvz | metalhedd: short of typing links and the web address of the manufacturer with the model number |
| 19:22.34 | cuse | Kupal[]: tar or rsync for example |
| 19:22.37 | *** join/#debian shakraw (~luca@host98-244.pool82186.interbusiness.it) |
| 19:22.52 | valdyn | metalhedd: lm-sensors |
| 19:22.54 | Kupal[] | yeah that's a good backup/restore gimmick |
| 19:22.57 | Petaris | amorphix: yeah, I have a pcmcia CF adaptor |
| 19:22.59 | Kupal[] | rsync is a bit better. |
| 19:23.01 | teclo | shingouz: 2.88 MB |
| 19:23.03 | *** join/#debian _daniel_ (~daniel@Dynamic-IP-cr20011850217.cable.net.co) |
| 19:23.11 | *** join/#debian newbie_ (root@p5491005E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:23.13 | Kupal[] | but for instance you have a message that comes in while your rsync |
| 19:23.16 | Kupal[] | its not ques. |
| 19:23.16 | amorphix | Petaris: did you go for one which you know is supported in Linux or? |
| 19:23.21 | abrotman | i heard linux doesn't have windows .. is this true? |
| 19:23.27 | shingouz | teclo: woo :) |
| 19:23.28 | *** join/#debian kart_ (~kartik@ss2.magnet-i.com) |
| 19:23.47 | Kupal[] | s/its not ques/it does not que the new file |
| 19:23.53 | teclo | <abrotman> i heard linux doesn't have windows .. is this true? <--- that should be in the fortunes ! |
| 19:23.55 | resiak | abrotman: Put the crack pipe down and no-one will get hurt |
| 19:24.02 | greycat | !hurt resiak |
| 19:24.03 | Petaris | amorphix: I just got a Sandisk one from a few years ago, I don't think there is anything that would not be supported |
| 19:24.06 | cuse | Kupal[]: and? then syncs the next time |
| 19:24.07 | resiak | :( |
| 19:24.13 | cmihai | abrotman: it's not. |
| 19:24.13 | kerneld | abrotman: Depends what you mean by windows |
| 19:24.21 | cmihai | Well, but... |
| 19:24.25 | greycat | it's got windows all over the place. |
| 19:24.29 | resiak | Oh man, they're taking him seriously! |
| 19:24.31 | cmihai | WHY the fuck use windows when there are DOORS ?! |
| 19:24.34 | resiak | abrotman: BAD BOY! |
| 19:24.39 | greycat | they're in the TCP stack, they're in the X server... |
| 19:24.44 | teclo | Yeah |
| 19:24.46 | teclo | The doors |
| 19:24.49 | teclo | # This is the end.... |
| 19:24.51 | amorphix | Petaris: ahh thats good to hear, i just picked one of these brand new for £2, its not a good make so i was worried it wouldnt play with linux |
| 19:24.51 | cmihai | Great band :) |
| 19:24.52 | Petaris | amorphix: I have never had any problems with it, it just shows up as another hdd |
| 19:24.53 | teclo | # Beautiful friend |
| 19:25.00 | Gathond | cmihai: because people look at you funny when you use the windows instead of the door |
| 19:25.01 | metalhedd | nvz: can I egt the model # of the motherboard from a prompt? |
| 19:25.06 | cmihai | People are strange... when you're a stranger... |
| 19:25.11 | amorphix | Petaris: i dont suppose you could boot off that? |
| 19:25.13 | resiak | !sing abrotman |
| 19:25.13 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 19:25.25 | valdyn | metalhedd: dmidecode |
| 19:25.32 | nvz | metalhedd: no, you have to have some kind of fucking clue to figure out what type of ram something uses |
| 19:25.55 | Petaris | amorphix: I don't know why not, although you would have to have your machine recognize it straight off with the bios |
| 19:25.55 | *** join/#debian sh4dowcat (shadowcat@c-335f70d5.033-47-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 19:25.59 | shingouz | teclo: try booting the thing with the woody install floppy and specify floppy=thinkpad for it. you should see the parameter under the special machines help screen /me rtfm s some more |
| 19:26.10 | nvz | metalhedd: if you dont know the model of your pc something is wrong with you, they've been printing it on the front for the past 25 years |
| 19:26.17 | *** join/#debian OleMoudi (~TK422@168.Red-83-50-224.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:26.19 | *** join/#debian Dsls (~Dsls@alesia-6-81-56-55-164.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:26.25 | abrotman | metalhedd: who made your PC ? |
| 19:26.28 | teclo | shingouz: ok, boot the first disk, install floppy=thinkpad |
| 19:26.34 | metalhedd | its not my computer. its my grandmother's. |
| 19:26.41 | metalhedd | thanks for the insults thoguh |
| 19:26.47 | abrotman | metalhedd: what is the model/manuf ? |
| 19:26.55 | abrotman | metalhedd: is it a whitebox? .. or prebuilt ? |
| 19:26.57 | *** join/#debian tell (tell@232pc210.sshunet.nl) |
| 19:27.00 | shingouz | teclo: yes. check the helps on the install floppy before you commit though |
| 19:27.04 | metalhedd | I don't know. I can only ssh in. |
| 19:27.05 | Petaris | amorphix: There are ways to boot from the network with a pcmcia NIC so I would assume someone has figured out the pcmcia CF adaptor as well |
| 19:27.08 | metalhedd | thats what this is all about. |
| 19:27.10 | amorphix | Petaris: i dont know of any bios's that allow pcmcia booting, could be a non-starter eh. but what about booting from fd/cd and then using the pcmcia for root fs, that should work? |
| 19:27.18 | abrotman | metalhedd: but you can't upgrade the ram remotely :) |
| 19:27.22 | FossiFoo | i have a problem with space not getting free'd on one of my partitions: /dev/hda6 20161172 19267508 0 100% /mnt/hdb6 . anybody got a clue? |
| 19:27.25 | *** join/#debian Warp4 (~robert@24-51-24-193.kntnny.adelphia.net) |
| 19:27.36 | abrotman | metalhedd: do you know what CPU it has ? |
| 19:27.40 | shingouz | amorphix, Petaris: some thinkpads can do it |
| 19:27.40 | Warp4 | hi all. does anyone have NVU 1.0PR already built for Debian/Sparc? |
| 19:27.42 | Petaris | amorphix: that should definatly work |
| 19:27.44 | tell | i've selected emu10k1 to be a module in menuconfig. after installation of kernel, there doesnt appaer to be an emu10k1.ko! How is this possible> |
| 19:27.48 | nvz | ah! bs! damn thing just hit a grand slam on me |
| 19:27.53 | metalhedd | abrotman: no, you're3 right, but I can decide whether r not I should pull a stick of ram frfom my PC and bring it with me to speed up compile times |
| 19:27.55 | abrotman | Warp4: #debian-sparc might have someone who does |
| 19:27.56 | nvz | luckily I was 6 points ahead |
| 19:27.58 | amorphix | cool |
| 19:28.26 | abrotman | metalhedd: what kind of cpu is on the box ? |
| 19:28.32 | metalhedd | p3 1.4 ghz |
| 19:28.41 | Warp4 | abrotman, thank you :) |
| 19:28.42 | abrotman | metalhedd: if i had to guess .. PC133 SDRAM would be fine |
| 19:28.51 | deadf1zh | where can i see my iptables-rules? |
| 19:29.02 | mousy | deadf1zh: iptables -nvL |
| 19:29.02 | abrotman | metalhedd: of course .. you could get unlucky and have DDR :) |
| 19:29.15 | metalhedd | I only have ddr, so I'm hoping it is ddr. |
| 19:29.35 | abrotman | could he try running memtest remotely ? |
| 19:29.46 | deadf1zh | mousy, *obeisance* |
| 19:29.46 | Petaris | Can someone help me troubleshoot a hybserv connection issue |
| 19:29.52 | valdyn | tell: you selected the alsa driver for emu10k1 ? |
| 19:29.53 | nvz | metalhedd: open the damn thing and look ffs |
| 19:30.02 | tell | valdyn : yes |
| 19:30.05 | nvz | metalhedd: you cant use _any_ ram without opening it anyhow |
| 19:30.06 | abrotman | nvz: remote system |
| 19:30.10 | *** join/#debian fge (~insomniac@fge.user) |
| 19:30.12 | fge | hi |
| 19:30.18 | nvz | abrotman: then it really doesnt matter does it |
| 19:30.19 | valdyn | tell: then unsurprisingle that module is snd-emu10k1.ko |
| 19:30.34 | cahoot | metalhedd: the box doesn't run linux? |
| 19:30.35 | nvz | abrotman: cant put ram into a machine you cant open up and look at |
| 19:30.43 | tell | valdyn : really... |
| 19:30.43 | fge | http://paste.linux-sevenler.org/goster.php?no=859 who can help with lilo which does'nt come with menu and opening linux directly |
| 19:30.46 | *** join/#debian xinud (~xinud@195-144-090-003.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) |
| 19:30.50 | shingouz | teclo: this what you have? http://www.walshcomptech.com/ohlandl/76-77/9577.html |
| 19:30.54 | metalhedd | nvz: I Dont want to pull my ram and bring it if with me to where the computer is if its not gonna be able to use it |
| 19:31.05 | *** join/#debian KyKo (~knoppix@pm801-46.dialip.mich.net) |
| 19:31.18 | *** join/#debian i3dmaster (~i3dmaster@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com) |
| 19:31.18 | Warp4 | abrotman, trying to build nvu from source but configure says that it cannot find libIDL-config, however aptitude says that libidl0 is installed. |
| 19:31.26 | nvz | metalhedd: what kind of pc do _you_ have? |
| 19:31.41 | valdyn | Warp4: libidl-dev? |
| 19:31.46 | *** join/#debian xam (xam@piranha-fddi.6.strangled.net) |
| 19:31.47 | greycat | Warp4: -dev -dev -dev -dev -dev!! |
| 19:31.56 | greycat | burn it into your forearms! |
| 19:32.03 | *** join/#debian ata (~ata@gw-swip.djingis.se) |
| 19:32.11 | *** join/#debian chello (~chello@200.207.126.217) |
| 19:32.35 | *** join/#debian acez (~acez@p549D45D4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:32.38 | nvz | game... over! |
| 19:32.40 | schrankwand^ | for what is a initrd-file? |
| 19:32.58 | nvz | no need for another inning I creamed them bastards |
| 19:33.08 | greycat | schrankwand^: initial ram disk. for kernel images. |
| 19:33.15 | Warp4 | valdyn, danke! |
| 19:33.31 | metalhedd | amd thunderbird 800, 1GB DDR333 on an MSI something or other board. I'm not an idiot. jesus christ some people are jerks. I got my answer. thanks for nothing. |
| 19:33.39 | schrankwand^ | need i an image of my kernel? |
| 19:33.46 | *** join/#debian Frankablu (~Frankablu@i-195-137-78-152.freedom2surf.net) |
| 19:33.51 | greycat | it's really damned hard to boot without one. |
| 19:33.54 | ricky_clarkson | I think Jesus Christ already knows that some people are jerks. |
| 19:34.06 | *** join/#debian paul_ (paul@86.104.197.114) |
| 19:34.33 | schrankwand^ | well how can i generate a initrd? |
| 19:34.41 | nvz | yeah, I think the crucifiction was a dead giveaway |
| 19:34.42 | greycat | why are you ASKING this? |
| 19:34.46 | tell | valdyn : i cant find snd-em10k1.ko either |
| 19:35.11 | nvz | heh, I made a pun, and didnt realize it |
| 19:35.23 | greycat | !spell crucifixion |
| 19:35.25 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 19:35.29 | FossiFoo | nvz: :D |
| 19:35.29 | greycat | @spell crucifixion |
| 19:35.33 | ravenbird | 'crucifixion' may be spelled correctly |
| 19:35.39 | nvz | hell, I made two puns and didnt realize it |
| 19:36.17 | nvz | I consider the spelling a pun |
| 19:36.22 | shingouz | teclo: can you give me the model-type of the box, looks like this is not too easy to find the information |
| 19:36.30 | valdyn | tell: /lib/modules/2.6.8-11-amd64-k8/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1.ko |
| 19:36.33 | teclo | shingouz: lemme check |
| 19:36.39 | valdyn | tell: ( for example.. ) |
| 19:36.43 | shingouz | refdisks found |
| 19:36.56 | star007 | hello, i have a little problem. is it possibel change my xorg.config with a script before starting X ? |
| 19:37.14 | valdyn | star007: no, xorg does not exist in debian. |
| 19:37.22 | star007 | ok thx ;) |
| 19:37.31 | star007 | XF86..... |
| 19:37.39 | star007 | XF86Config4 |
| 19:37.40 | shingouz | bah |
| 19:37.43 | nvz | heh |
| 19:37.43 | amorphix | Petaris: how did you handle the driver support for your pcmcia adaptor? |
| 19:38.01 | tell | valdyn : theres no 'sound' dir |
| 19:38.01 | valdyn | !drxx star007 |
| 19:38.03 | dpkg | star007: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 19:38.08 | Petaris | amorphix: It just worked |
| 19:38.19 | nvz | valdyn: nice rebound |
| 19:38.29 | abrotman | Warp4: yeah .. like greycat said :) |
| 19:38.30 | *** join/#debian caravena (~caravena@200.72.65.90) |
| 19:38.31 | *** join/#debian samuel (~samuel@201.144.112.3) |
| 19:38.48 | noobman | I want to have a private, virtual network between my vservers. is there any simple & fast way to do this? basically I just want to pull up a few virtual nic:s that I can then route between |
| 19:38.53 | Petaris | amorphix: That box is Gentoo though, I haven'ttried that on Debian |
| 19:38.53 | *** join/#debian EngelExael (~hitman@p5090E5FD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:38.58 | *** join/#debian mikey (~mikey@62.240.162.142) |
| 19:39.00 | amorphix | Petaris: oh i will have to try mine then |
| 19:39.18 | teclo | shingouz: 92f1567asm |
| 19:39.28 | *** join/#debian Althaser (~nufan@bl4-191-154.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 19:39.29 | *** join/#debian bomex (~bomex@82.147.44.65) |
| 19:39.31 | star007 | the problem is following: i want to change my gpu sometimes and it would be much more simple when i can change the xf86config4 via script like "if gpu=nvidia mv xf86nv XF86Config4 else mv xf86standard XF86Config4 |
| 19:39.38 | shingouz | teclo: not that one. 9577-??? it should be |
| 19:39.39 | Petaris | amorphix: I would be suprised if it didn't "just work" for you as well |
| 19:39.44 | *** part/#debian Evil_Homer (~Evil_Home@d51A5680E.access.telenet.be) |
| 19:40.01 | nvz | one of my brothers must like ferrite, as the little beads that are on the xbox cables are all chewed away down to the ferrite. |
| 19:40.02 | myren | whats a good proggie for browsing photos? |
| 19:40.20 | newdebusr | xnview |
| 19:40.21 | valdyn | star007: you can do this via grep and lspci |
| 19:40.29 | cmihai | gthumb myren |
| 19:40.30 | nvz | myren: I like gqview best, but its a matter of taste. |
| 19:40.33 | cmihai | It's decent. |
| 19:40.34 | jeffx | noobman: tun/tap |
| 19:40.39 | mousy | star007: /etc/X11/X is a symlink to your x server. why not replace it by a script? |
| 19:40.42 | *** join/#debian mortum (~mortum@84.232.61.49) |
| 19:40.48 | valdyn | star007: or do you have 2 cards plugged in at a time? |
| 19:40.50 | cmihai | (for gnome). Kuickshow for KDE (qt) |
| 19:40.56 | amorphix | Petaris: lets hope so :-) |
| 19:40.59 | myren | i've got a number of directories filled with a number of clips... |
| 19:41.27 | star007 | at the moment i have 2 cards plugged in but the goal was to change between to different agp cards |
| 19:41.29 | *** join/#debian jfa (~jfa@83.165.112.235) |
| 19:41.48 | *** join/#debian Zork (~Zork@24-113-19-19.wavecable.com) |
| 19:41.49 | amorphix | amorphix's tip for the day for anyone thinking of making a custom boot/root fd: DONT. use yard to do it |
| 19:42.00 | noobman | jeffx: I was afraid you'd say that. thanks anyway though :) |
| 19:43.00 | paul_ | what i need to `apt-get install X` to install all devel packages like automake, make, autogen, etc ? |
| 19:43.20 | greycat | paul_: there isn't just one. |
| 19:43.38 | abrotman | well .. there could be .. with a little magic |
| 19:43.39 | *** join/#debian chrysopa (~ronaldo@rotent.cpd.ufv.br) |
| 19:43.45 | *** join/#debian izzyb (~izzyb@S01060080c8297b21.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 19:43.50 | *** join/#debian tvn (~tvn@pool-151-205-247-24.cap.east.verizon.net) |
| 19:43.52 | *** join/#debian Face_Fantastic (~FaceFanta@6532139hfc09.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 19:43.57 | Face_Fantastic | alright |
| 19:43.59 | chrysopa | hikenboot, |
| 19:44.01 | chrysopa | Hi |
| 19:44.03 | teclo | shingouz: *sigh* I'm doing linux floppy=thinkpad, but when I insert the root.bin floppy, it fails with read errors. I've already rewritten root.img to three different floppies, it still fails *sigh* |
| 19:44.03 | Face_Fantastic | something's using a sound process |
| 19:44.09 | Face_Fantastic | what do I type to see what it is? |
| 19:44.22 | Face_Fantastic | it's like /usr/ something |
| 19:44.39 | abrotman | lsof .. fuser ? |
| 19:44.41 | izzyb | anyone have experience/links relating to SATA RAID controlers? |
| 19:44.45 | shingouz | teclo: there is something else going on. did you find the model-type? 9577-??? |
| 19:44.46 | *** join/#debian vitriol (~vitriol@65.168.184.109) |
| 19:44.57 | izzyb | looking for real raid, not fake raid |
| 19:44.58 | teclo | shingouz: no, can't find it :/ |
| 19:45.05 | jeffx | teclo: maybe hardware failure :> |
| 19:45.06 | chrysopa | I have DVD-RW that I can rewrite without erase. Others I can erase before write. I use k3b. What is the difference? |
| 19:45.13 | vitriol | i need to rerun the the configuration script for x |
| 19:45.16 | vitriol | anybody know what that is? |
| 19:45.18 | Face_Fantastic | anybody know? |
| 19:45.20 | vitriol | off the top of your head |
| 19:45.24 | *** join/#debian pinko (~pinko@70-59-154-75.ptld.qwest.net) |
| 19:45.24 | teclo | jeffx: might be. Hardware from 1993... |
| 19:45.35 | abrotman | lsof .. fuser ? |
| 19:45.41 | *** join/#debian alys (alys@83.217.180.211) |
| 19:45.42 | abrotman | Face_Fantastic: lsof .. fuser ? |
| 19:45.52 | shingouz | teclo: behind the box you should see a biggish sticker with barcodes and all. you should see model: 9577 and type:??? somewhere on it. or it is 9577-??? or 9577??? |
| 19:45.54 | resiak | !drxx vitriol |
| 19:45.55 | thingfish | !drxx |
| 19:45.55 | dpkg | vitriol: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 19:45.56 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 19:46.04 | vitriol | thank you |
| 19:46.15 | Face_Fantastic | no |
| 19:46.16 | Face_Fantastic | it like |
| 19:46.18 | shingouz | jeffx: that is an IBM PS/2. they never fail |
| 19:46.24 | Face_Fantastic | it shows what process it is |
| 19:46.30 | Face_Fantastic | i need to kill -9 it. |
| 19:46.33 | Face_Fantastic | so i can have sound. |
| 19:46.43 | Zork | hi all |
| 19:46.47 | FossiFoo | i have a problem with space not getting free'd on one of my partitions: /dev/hda6 20161172 19267508 0 100% /mnt/hdb6 . anybody got a clue? |
| 19:47.39 | jeffx | shingouz: probably that particular one was made in taiwan :P |
| 19:47.44 | Zork | does anyone use ffmpeg? |
| 19:47.48 | izzyb | FossiFoo: what's mounted on it? |
| 19:47.49 | Face_Fantastic | no one knows that that command is? |
| 19:47.54 | *** part/#debian chrysopa (~ronaldo@rotent.cpd.ufv.br) |
| 19:48.12 | shingouz | jeffx: a 9577? dream on |
| 19:48.34 | jeffx | :D |
| 19:49.09 | *** join/#debian bn_ (~bn@p54A9F2FD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:49.17 | Maliuta | fossifoo: check lsof to see what files are being held open, a running (or zombied) process might have a file open that you have deleted |
| 19:49.28 | izzyb | FossiFoo: only time I rcall having a similar problem, it was caused by a logging daemon, don't recall the details, but restarting the daemon freed the space |
| 19:49.44 | *** join/#debian spart (spart@CPE000f667ffbd1-CM0011aea10c2c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 19:49.46 | mousy | Maliuta: I don't think zombies may have open files |
| 19:50.02 | FossiFoo | izzyb: somebody else said that too |
| 19:50.10 | *** part/#debian janux (~janux@ipd50af40e.speed.planet.nl) |
| 19:50.12 | spart | what's an easy way of having a script execute on boot? |
| 19:50.21 | Zork | later yall |
| 19:50.23 | FossiFoo | Maliuta: fuser and lsof report no open files on that partition |
| 19:50.24 | *** part/#debian Zork (~Zork@24-113-19-19.wavecable.com) |
| 19:50.29 | *** join/#debian Nerull (~slet_01@nerull.xs4all.nl) |
| 19:50.47 | cmihai | Oh, my frickin' head... It's wasted... |
| 19:50.48 | *** join/#debian jo (~k@c-67-182-244-8.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 19:50.53 | FossiFoo | izzyb: on the other hand the partition is not /var/log |
| 19:50.57 | izzyb | FossiFoo: can you reboot the box? |
| 19:50.59 | abrotman | Face_Fantastic: lsof .. fuser ? |
| 19:51.08 | FossiFoo | izzyb: i'd rather not ;) |
| 19:51.11 | *** join/#debian dade_ (~dade@84-121-180-213.onocable.ono.com) |
| 19:51.12 | izzyb | :) |
| 19:51.22 | jo | does etch let you run both 64-bit and 32-bit programs in the same thing? |
| 19:51.24 | *** join/#debian toonX (~toonx@10.Red-81-32-81.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:51.28 | greycat | jo: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 19:51.30 | *** part/#debian dade_ (~dade@84-121-180-213.onocable.ono.com) |
| 19:51.48 | mousy | FossiFoo: can you unmout that partition? |
| 19:51.53 | izzyb | FossiFoo: it may be worth doing when you have a chance. just to verify it is a daemon issue |
| 19:52.11 | FossiFoo | i remounted it allready, no chance |
| 19:52.13 | robin_sz | anyone suggest a good New York / other USA based dedicated server hosting company with debian based servers? |
| 19:52.27 | izzyb | FossiFoo: then rebooting wont likely help either |
| 19:52.28 | mousy | FossiFoo: then try umount && fsck |
| 19:52.38 | Nerull | Robin_sz why specific debian hosting ? |
| 19:52.40 | abrotman | jo: and ask #debian-amd64 about biarch/multiarch .. but i think it's a long way off .. other way is to run a 32bit chroot |
| 19:52.42 | *** join/#debian i3dmaster (~i3dmaster@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com) |
| 19:52.51 | FossiFoo | mousy: did, no errors |
| 19:53.01 | FossiFoo | ah, and i can write files from root |
| 19:53.05 | mousy | FossiFoo: did you try removing some files? |
| 19:53.18 | FossiFoo | mousy: the 'used' gets smaller than |
| 19:53.26 | *** join/#debian d3wd3 (d3wd3@ppp37.SJ.idilis.net) |
| 19:53.31 | *** join/#debian AssO_ (asso@andariel.informatik.uni-erlangen.de) |
| 19:53.39 | robin_sz | Nerull: because I am in the UK, and cant be arsed to swim to the USA to install debian, so Id ratehr the datacentre offered pre-loaded debain on a dedicated box |
| 19:54.20 | *** join/#debian numbers (~numbers@ACC90619.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:54.24 | izzyb | FossiFoo: root can write to it, but users cant? how big is the drive? |
| 19:54.30 | *** join/#debian baroni (~baroni@201-13-17-164.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 19:54.36 | *** join/#debian Tolimar (schmehl@alex.schmehl.info) |
| 19:54.37 | robin_sz | Nerull: anyway, do you know of one htat offers debain based boxes in NY? |
| 19:54.41 | FossiFoo | izzyb: drive 80 gig, partition 20 |
| 19:54.47 | *** join/#debian Lorvija (rip@dsl-lprgw1i98.dial.inet.fi) |
| 19:54.48 | *** join/#debian mamolo_EL (~jaime@81-172-49-97.usuarios.retecal.es) |
| 19:54.54 | FossiFoo | izzyb: yeah, but 800 mb? |
| 19:54.56 | Nerull | Noppe sorry m8 i was just wondering why :) |
| 19:55.43 | teclo | fucking hell, it still doesn't work !!! |
| 19:55.44 | teclo | shit !!! |
| 19:55.47 | *** part/#debian fge (~insomniac@fge.user) |
| 19:55.50 | izzyb | seems a little high for a 20g partition, but it is a configurable option |
| 19:56.00 | shingouz | teclo: this may be the easiest way to identify that exactly you have there http://www.walshcomptech.com/ohlandl/76-77/9577.html |
| 19:56.10 | FossiFoo | izzyb: where do i configure that? |
| 19:56.21 | shingouz | teclo: i need to know what the exact hardware is before i can figure out how to make it run |
| 19:56.29 | *** part/#debian mops (~mops@193.87.45.24) |
| 19:56.45 | teclo | shingouz: ok, I'm looking |
| 19:57.03 | FarrisG | How do I go about setting the hwclock back/forward by X hours? |
| 19:57.13 | mousy | FossiFoo: tune2fs |
| 19:57.25 | FossiFoo | thanks for the hint, i'll try :) |
| 19:57.52 | teclo | shingouz: T655001650M |
| 19:58.02 | shingouz | still not there :) |
| 19:58.28 | redge- | Is it normal, that i didn't hit any new update since a long time now? When was the last debian sarge update? |
| 19:58.42 | *** join/#debian ofc (~ofc@c906fd5c.virtua.com.br) |
| 19:58.59 | *** join/#debian liran (liran@80.178.86.202.adsl.012.net.il) |
| 19:59.06 | j_k | redge-: well, it was released if you didn't know that. |
| 19:59.07 | izzyb | FossiFoo: I think you want tune2fs -l |
| 19:59.16 | j_k | redge-: expect the next update in 6 month. |
| 19:59.26 | *** part/#debian trc (~trc@20.228.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 19:59.26 | *** join/#debian ja0x (~ja0x@168.243.218.8) |
| 19:59.31 | *** join/#debian ndugu (~giuseppe@host172-0.pool80116.interbusiness.it) |
| 19:59.35 | shingouz | teclo: either in the back or maybe on the front. on the front a small rectangular sticker about an inch wide and about a quarter high. small numbers, the other one is the FRU (which is useless) the other is the model/type 9577-??? |
| 19:59.43 | redge- | hm |
| 19:59.51 | Face_Fantastic | I get the error OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program |
| 19:59.53 | liran | weird how i dont have any swap usage while i do have a swap partition, and with 'free' im seeing 0 for total swap. i tried 'swapon -a /dev/hda3' though it throws me back to the usage screen. any ideas? |
| 19:59.54 | redge- | i know sarge is now stable |
| 19:59.55 | shingouz | another option is to pull the cover and check what you have there, teclo |
| 20:00.01 | *** part/#debian ndugu (~giuseppe@host172-0.pool80116.interbusiness.it) |
| 20:00.15 | *** join/#debian sess (sean@berk-143.dhcp.umass.edu) |
| 20:00.15 | teclo | shingouz: I have already pulled the cover... |
| 20:00.28 | redge- | when it wasnt i had alot of update available qwhen hitting apt-get update |
| 20:00.42 | *** join/#debian lamp__ (~lamp@d515245EA.access.telenet.be) |
| 20:00.58 | FossiFoo | izzyb, mousy: that was it, thanks :) |
| 20:01.00 | shingouz | teclo: in that case we are in for some basic s.h.i.t. :) |
| 20:01.04 | redge- | since it is stable, it looks like there werent no update since then |
| 20:01.17 | *** join/#debian AssO_ (~spjsschl@p5495DF99.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:01.19 | sess | I finally successfully upped to 2.6.12, took a few hours, and make-kpkg cleans, but it work |
| 20:01.29 | Face_Fantastic | what command can I use to see what device is using /dev/dsp |
| 20:01.40 | j_k | Face_Fantastic: try fuser. |
| 20:01.47 | sess | now when I use my tablet config and plug it in, it works in absolute mode, but only when accessed by the mouse entry as /dev/input/mice |
| 20:01.49 | jeffx | sess: 2.6.12.1 is released :P |
| 20:01.50 | shingouz | teclo: first lets check what the hd is. scsi or ide |
| 20:02.13 | shingouz | teclo: if in doubt, count the pins on the connector. scsi has 50 ide 40 |
| 20:02.14 | *** part/#debian ja0x (~ja0x@168.243.218.8) |
| 20:02.17 | sess | I remove that and change it to mouse0 and the tablet stops working again, so what am I doing wrong? |
| 20:02.29 | sess | jeffx: lol, well, Im content now with .12 |
| 20:02.39 | greycat | Face_Fantastic: lsof is also spiffy. |
| 20:02.47 | teclo | shingouz: 9577-0NA |
| 20:03.03 | shingouz | teclo: attaboy :) |
| 20:03.14 | redge- | the question is where(how) can i see what new updates there is, so i can compare? |
| 20:03.18 | izzyb | FossiFoo: np |
| 20:03.23 | shingouz | teclo: you in europe? |
| 20:03.26 | Face_Fantastic | thanks |
| 20:03.46 | teclo | shingouz: Yes. Belgium. |
| 20:03.47 | j_k | redge-: what would you like any "update" for ? |
| 20:04.03 | abrotman | Face_Fantastic: i told you twice |
| 20:04.06 | izzyb | anyone have experience with SATA hardware RAID controlers under linux? |
| 20:04.13 | shingouz | teclo: i thought so from the 0NA suffix. the 0 versions were the euro versions |
| 20:04.26 | redge- | well, among _any_ i'm sure to find the one i need (the ones i have the actual tool. |
| 20:04.33 | sess | I can cat the /dev/input/event2 device and get readings from the tablet using any of the stylii, and the cursor, but the device doesn't move anything in X |
| 20:04.37 | izzyb | I'm looking to buy one, but want to make sure it will be supported without hassle |
| 20:04.47 | sess | the pressure readings also work in the wacom stat utility |
| 20:04.50 | redge- | and i'm sure i wouldnt find a place listing only MY updates ;p |
| 20:04.56 | j_k | redge-: are you trying to achieve anything? |
| 20:05.01 | *** join/#debian carlos-d-man (~carlos@201.135.87.134) |
| 20:05.04 | FossiFoo | bye all, have a nice day |
| 20:05.29 | redge- | yes, trying to find out if my apt-get update and or sources list is messed up |
| 20:05.48 | shingouz | teclo: ok. 486dx2-66, 212MB scsi. the drive is very much on the small side, you seriously would like to have more. have you added/removed ram, touched the cards, added/removed drives.. anything on the hardware and does the thing boot without any errors onto an empty drive? |
| 20:06.03 | j_k | redge-: messed up? |
| 20:06.06 | *** join/#debian lillesky (~lewinsky@0x3e42ef4d.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 20:06.08 | teclo | shingouz: I added an Ethernet card |
| 20:06.12 | *** join/#debian _Kaishi (Kaishiwa@je.fume.de.la-weed.info) |
| 20:06.15 | redge- | as in not wprking as it should |
| 20:06.26 | j_k | redge-: that doesn't tell us much. |
| 20:06.38 | teclo | shingouz: it boots on what is installed on it, which is PC-DOS 7.0 in German at the moment |
| 20:06.38 | *** join/#debian pkern (~phil@pkern.developer.debian) |
| 20:06.38 | j_k | redge-: what's the problem you're facing? |
| 20:06.40 | shingouz | teclo: bingo. we need the refdisk then. and the ADF files for the eth too while we are at it. 3com nic? |
| 20:06.41 | jeffx | teclo: does the pc smells coffee? :o |
| 20:07.08 | teclo | jeffx: no... |
| 20:07.13 | shingouz | jeffx: shut up, geniuses at work :p |
| 20:07.16 | teclo | shingouz: I have the ADF file already |
| 20:07.18 | redge- | its been looooong time since i had any updates in return when hitting the apt-get update. |
| 20:07.22 | *** join/#debian grimse (~malte@p5481F490.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:07.28 | shingouz | teclo: good. you have rtfm'ed :) |
| 20:07.30 | teclo | shingouz: where do I get the refdisk or something ? |
| 20:07.31 | *** join/#debian pingouin (~pingouin@ALille-251-1-82-27.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:07.38 | redge- | i'm worrying there mught be a problem with it |
| 20:07.46 | *** join/#debian zatriz (~as@ip169.gte240.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com) |
| 20:07.51 | ricky_clarkson | I want to focus a window, but have two other windows in front of it. I use metacity. Any suggestions? |
| 20:08.06 | zatriz | can anyone help me out with testing to see if my ftp server works from the outside ? |
| 20:08.17 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: sloppy focus .. don't raise on focus |
| 20:08.18 | teclo | shingouz: a little help from comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware :) |
| 20:08.22 | shingouz | teclo: looks like ibm has pulled the refdisks off the net at the moment. assholes. petes site is offline at the moment and i cannot see any of the mob members anywhere |
| 20:08.34 | teclo | shingouz: ah :/ |
| 20:08.37 | redge- | i say so because usually when i do apt-get update i had a update almost every day |
| 20:08.40 | *** join/#debian jrloki (~loki@p5083F13A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:08.40 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Sloppy focus seems to raise any window I put my mouse over. |
| 20:08.49 | shingouz | i do expect casolai to show up pretty soon though |
| 20:08.49 | teclo | shingouz: well, drop me an email with the link... when you found it :) |
| 20:08.52 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: it's not an option in metacity to supress that ? |
| 20:08.57 | shingouz | teclo: will happen |
| 20:09.03 | teclo | shingouz: ok :) |
| 20:09.04 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Not that I can see. |
| 20:09.05 | shingouz | teclo: besides i live here |
| 20:09.11 | redge- | are you following me j_k ? |
| 20:09.14 | j_k | redge-: sarge was testing a month ago. Now it's stable, and will change in 6 months from now. |
| 20:09.18 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: this is why i still run sawfish :) |
| 20:09.24 | teclo | shingouz: welll thanks a lot, :) ... ok, right now, gotta go do stuff (ya know ;) ) , but , I'll check my mail :) |
| 20:09.32 | redge- | oh |
| 20:09.37 | shingouz | teclo: if you can find a bit more drive for it you would be a lot happier... ;) |
| 20:09.54 | redge- | so basically when it turns stable there isnt any update .. |
| 20:10.06 | redge- | but what about security updates? |
| 20:10.10 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I'll upgrade metacity if there is any upgrade.. |
| 20:10.12 | redge- | is is the same? |
| 20:10.16 | j_k | redge-: you will only get security updates until then. |
| 20:10.36 | *** join/#debian galois (~galois@81.168.13.44) |
| 20:10.48 | redge- | ok, so i do i know when was the last security update from? so i can check if i have it? |
| 20:10.54 | teclo | shingouz: are these ESDI or SCSI drives ? the HD has *really* a 50-pin SCSI connector, and it's quite easy to find 50-pin SCSI drives... isn't it ? |
| 20:10.59 | shingouz | scsi |
| 20:11.03 | error403 | i was wondering, is there a way to restart sshd? |
| 20:11.16 | greycat | /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 20:11.19 | resiak | error403: /etc/init.d/ssh restar... |
| 20:11.19 | shingouz | teclo: as it happens i do have a few ;) |
| 20:11.24 | error403 | thanks people! |
| 20:11.25 | error403 | haha |
| 20:11.31 | error403 | how silly of me... |
| 20:11.35 | *** join/#debian aktinos (~rush@cm-81-9-160-1.telecable.es) |
| 20:11.36 | j_k | redge-: security updates are distributes through security.debian.org, and are intergrated to the stable release, as well as a few fixes for the most grave bugs every 6 months. Go read www.debian.org if you want more info. |
| 20:11.43 | resiak | The Metacity people seriously |
| 20:11.45 | resiak | Erm |
| 20:11.51 | error403 | what exactly ARE the contents of the /etc/init.d/ dir then? |
| 20:11.52 | *** join/#debian asuffield (~asuffield@83-216-134-182.neilsu339.adsl.metronet.co.uk) |
| 20:11.57 | greycat | error403: scripts |
| 20:12.03 | error403 | right... |
| 20:12.04 | sess | error403: what kind of question is that? |
| 20:12.04 | *** join/#debian Babbage (~james@adsl-static-3-73.uklinux.net) |
| 20:12.05 | redge- | i get it, thanks j_k |
| 20:12.08 | error403 | haha |
| 20:12.11 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: The Metacity people seriously don't seem to understand that focus doesn't have to correspond to on-top-ness. |
| 20:12.25 | error403 | greycat, are they what run on startup too? |
| 20:13.02 | greycat | error403: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:13.09 | error403 | ok |
| 20:13.10 | error403 | thanks |
| 20:13.12 | error403 | will do |
| 20:13.19 | simonrvn | um, i'm running metacity now, and i have no such problems |
| 20:13.25 | *** join/#debian hyksos (~bob@p54AEFC3A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:13.40 | Babbage | Since up dis a dist-upgrade on unstable, I appear to be having problems with GNOme startup - the panel and other GNOME apps won't initialise. Any ideas? |
| 20:13.51 | *** join/#debian Glanzmann (sithglan@faui00k.informatik.uni-erlangen.de) |
| 20:13.58 | teclo | ok, gotta go :) |
| 20:14.00 | *** part/#debian teclo (1001@83-134-3-52.Paille.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be) |
| 20:14.07 | Glanzmann | Is there a simple command which allows me to look in a not installed debian package? Like rpm -qpl package.rpm does? |
| 20:14.12 | resiak | !topicsmite Babbage |
| 20:14.13 | *** join/#debian baroni (~baroni@201-13-17-164.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 20:14.13 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Babbage. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:14.15 | resiak | !btssmite Babbage |
| 20:14.46 | Babbage | resiak> very funny, but it's not clear even in whcih package the problem lies, hence the BTS is not over-useful. |
| 20:14.47 | *** join/#debian Unskill3d (~saebl@forseti.fh-brandenburg.de) |
| 20:15.16 | *** join/#debian [Granger] (Ecto@c-385f70d5.033-47-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 20:15.23 | *** join/#debian keta_ (~luca@keta.base.supporter.pdpc) |
| 20:15.32 | resiak | Babbage: gnome-{panel,session} would _possibly_ be a good place to start. YOU"RE RUNNING SID, so you get to deal with it. |
| 20:15.36 | *** join/#debian HolyGoat (leendert@cc82732-a.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) |
| 20:16.14 | *** part/#debian lamp__ (~lamp@d515245EA.access.telenet.be) |
| 20:16.34 | zOap | I have a problem. I want shfs support in my kernel, 2.6.8-11. I've apt-get the kernel-headers and the sources for shfs. Now, from here I'm blank, Can anyone guide me to a nice guide for building the kernel headers with the shfs modules? |
| 20:17.05 | *** join/#debian bsims (bsims@12-221-57-64.client.insightBB.com) |
| 20:17.14 | bsims | hrm anyone know when/if there will be a update to gphoto2? |
| 20:17.38 | tobs | holy $%## |
| 20:17.39 | tobs | http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15739502-13762,00.html |
| 20:17.49 | *** part/#debian pkern (~phil@pkern.developer.debian) |
| 20:17.56 | *** part/#debian cuse (~cuse@dsl60b2241.sdtnet.de) |
| 20:18.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 877] by debhelper |
| 20:18.18 | drac | zOap: 'apt-get install module-assistant build-essential shfs-utils' and then 'm-a a-i shfs' and it's done. |
| 20:18.26 | *** join/#debian myren (~myren@alienintels.com) |
| 20:18.31 | *** join/#debian cire (~cire@p549FBF1B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:18.31 | drac | zOap: If you allready installed headers, you don't need sources. |
| 20:18.41 | zOap | drac, thanks:) |
| 20:18.42 | *** join/#debian NoGodNoMaster (~nogodnoma@dsl-213-023-212-151.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:19.29 | Glanzmann | dpkg -c |
| 20:19.32 | *** part/#debian Glanzmann (sithglan@faui00k.informatik.uni-erlangen.de) |
| 20:20.27 | cire | I want to resize an image in console. What tools should I use? |
| 20:21.03 | pinko | zoap, I recently followed instructions as found here: http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/tuning/kernelconfig.shtml |
| 20:21.12 | timo | cire, convert, in the package imagemagick |
| 20:21.20 | cire | thanks |
| 20:21.24 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: I can actually set a window to be on top and do it that way. |
| 20:21.44 | einsteinmg | are there any good reasons why pthread_rwlock_* does not have the corrspondending manpages? |
| 20:23.04 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: That's such a hack! |
| 20:23.19 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: It didn't really work for what I wanted anyway. |
| 20:23.33 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Use a real window manager! |
| 20:23.39 | *** join/#debian empty_mind (shark@221.134.239.94) |
| 20:23.55 | pinko | it's a trick question. there are no images in console |
| 20:24.08 | simonrvn | yes there are |
| 20:24.13 | spart | I have a shell script that i need to exec on boot after the rest of the startup scripts, what's an easy way of doing this? |
| 20:24.18 | pinko | oh, fine. |
| 20:24.31 | simonrvn | need framebuffer console |
| 20:24.32 | empty_mind | is there any tutorial on making a custom debian installer, which will install a debian system from scratch with preetrmined packages |
| 20:25.11 | petemc | empty_mind: http://hands.com/d-i/ |
| 20:25.17 | pipeline | empty_mind: check the d-i wiki |
| 20:25.27 | simonrvn | cire: though you could just use convert or mogrify from imagemagick and then you don't need to even display it |
| 20:26.33 | *** join/#debian wrecked (csh@phoenix.echosoft.ca) |
| 20:26.35 | Babbage | spart: put it in /etc/init.d and use update-rc.d |
| 20:26.52 | wrecked | has anyone got sound to work on testing for SGI/MIPS |
| 20:27.05 | *** join/#debian stouse1 (~stephen@adsl-215-173-155.aep.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:27.05 | sparr_ | How can I tell what window has the focus? Particularly, I want to know where my keyboard input is going. |
| 20:27.18 | *** join/#debian joloc (~cj@p54BCE823.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:27.24 | j_k | spart: or put it in a crontab if it is to be started as a user. |
| 20:27.36 | amorphix | anyone seen this one before: my newly created boot disk is putting "99"'s all across the screen and then halts |
| 20:27.58 | j_k | sparr_: depends on your window manager I guess. |
| 20:28.00 | stouse1 | amorphix: Are you sure that's not the intended behavior? :-) |
| 20:28.00 | cmihai | Yes, we have :) |
| 20:28.06 | *** join/#debian Stevie[FP] (~whatsit2u@dsl092-226-067.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 20:28.07 | *** join/#debian ivan (~ivan@S010600112fe49856.vs.shawcable.net) |
| 20:28.12 | Stevie[FP] | greetings, mortals |
| 20:28.15 | amorphix | is it supposed to do that?! |
| 20:28.16 | j_k | sparr_: you can configure some to change the titlebar color or stuff like that depending on focus. |
| 20:28.39 | *** join/#debian alcy2k (TheLittleW@host-81-191-190-137.bluecom.no) |
| 20:28.40 | j_k | amorphix: no it's not :) |
| 20:28.46 | tolecnal | amorphix, the only time I've seen that is when the boot image is corrupt or the media the boot image is on is faulty. |
| 20:28.48 | amorphix | damn what went wrong |
| 20:28.56 | amorphix | oh |
| 20:28.59 | alcy2k | Do i need to install Squid from souce to get Delay Pools ? |
| 20:29.13 | amorphix | fuk. back to the drawing board |
| 20:29.16 | cmihai | Next time dd the floppy, and do a md5. |
| 20:29.23 | Stevie[FP] | I need some assistance getting a network card working |
| 20:29.38 | Stevie[FP] | It seems that the driver version I have is a bit out of date |
| 20:29.44 | greycat | Stevie[FP]: DETAILS! |
| 20:29.50 | j_k | alcy2k: you read about debian building your own debs from debian source packages, I'd say. |
| 20:29.58 | abrotman | Stevie[FP]: we're mortals .. and you're asking us for help ? |
| 20:30.09 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 20:30.10 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES ACNE! |
| 20:30.17 | abrotman | i much prefer !vague |
| 20:30.23 | Stevie[FP] | hey Greycat |
| 20:30.27 | Stevie[FP] | err greycat |
| 20:30.39 | *** join/#debian Thor- (~spam@oestby.com) |
| 20:31.26 | Stevie[FP] | I'm trying to get a Linksys Gigabit EG1032 working, and from my adventures in STFW I seem to need sk98lin. However, the sk98lin my copy of Debian has must be out of date, because it won't recognize the card. |
| 20:31.32 | *** join/#debian five (~fhs@pool-162-84-154-137.ny5030.east.verizon.net) |
| 20:31.47 | *** join/#debian athlon (~athlon@174pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de) |
| 20:32.04 | *** join/#debian Kbyte (~nontelado@host212-114.pool8255.interbusiness.it) |
| 20:32.35 | j_k | Stevie[FP]: are you running sarge already? |
| 20:32.58 | greycat | Stevie[FP]: uname -r |
| 20:33.00 | *** part/#debian ExitMenu (~scm2sph@cpc4-cdif3-4-1-cust136.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:33.15 | Stevie[FP] | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 20:33.15 | *** join/#debian usn (~usn@p549357A5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:33.25 | wrecked | Anyone know which sound device SGI/indy needs ? |
| 20:33.31 | greycat | you might try the 2.6.x kernels then. they have newer gigabit drivers in general |
| 20:34.16 | Stevie[FP] | incidentally, how do I tell if a box is running sarge? The machine I'm testing this on is running sarge, but I'm not 100% sure about the final target machine |
| 20:34.26 | abrotman | Stevie[FP]: check your sources |
| 20:34.39 | abrotman | should say stable or sarge |
| 20:34.54 | distempr | Any good howtos/primers out there on using udev under debian? |
| 20:34.59 | abrotman | !udev |
| 20:35.00 | dpkg | hmm... udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 20:35.11 | distempr | Aye. |
| 20:35.19 | Stevie[FP] | sarge |
| 20:35.21 | Stevie[FP] | cool. |
| 20:35.21 | distempr | Read that, decided it super sucked imo ;/ |
| 20:35.24 | spart | I need to have a script run on startup. Is there any quick way of doing this? Or should i just inline it into some othe startup script in /etc/rc*.d/ ? |
| 20:35.36 | spart | ... err init |
| 20:36.01 | *** join/#debian zOap (~zOap@dsl-53-2-156.monet.no) |
| 20:36.21 | pipeline | spart: Add a script of your own to /etc/init.d, then add symlinks to it in whatever runlevel you want it to execute.. e.g. /etc/rc2.d/S99myscript -> /etc/init.d/myscript |
| 20:36.43 | *** join/#debian cplusdebian (~debian@203.212.229.87) |
| 20:36.55 | spart | pipeline will do thx |
| 20:37.03 | wrecked | pipeline: any ideas how to get sound working on a indy ? |
| 20:37.21 | tobs | spart: you'd be better off using update-rc.d |
| 20:37.27 | cplusdebian | how do i see the contents of file in gdb... after a fprintf.. if i open the file it is empty.. the contents are still there in buffer |
| 20:37.31 | tobs | easier to use and better than doing the symlinks yourself |
| 20:37.39 | *** join/#debian Pryon (~Pryon@24-177-210-39.dhcp.almg.nm.charter.com) |
| 20:37.46 | pipeline | wrecked: I don't know how you knew to ask me, but I would expect that you simply can't. |
| 20:38.14 | pipeline | wrecked: The Indy is the best-supported of all SGI MIPS hardware under Linux, and it still runs like crap under Linux. I suggest you install IRIX :( |
| 20:38.19 | spart | tobs oh ya, thanks |
| 20:38.26 | *** join/#debian PeTiLLoN (~Leo@AStrasbourg-151-1-27-69.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:38.29 | PeTiLLoN | please |
| 20:38.35 | wrecked | pipeline: :( no 6.* cds . too expensive |
| 20:38.36 | tobs | just specify the name of the file as it resides undet /etc/init.d/ |
| 20:38.37 | PeTiLLoN | is there anybody there |
| 20:38.40 | wrecked | oh well no matter |
| 20:38.49 | *** join/#debian amahbod (~amahbod@c-24-6-138-191.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 20:38.53 | pipeline | wrecked: All Indy drivers were written by two guys at SGI on their off time |
| 20:38.58 | pipeline | wrecked: They're pretty halfassed |
| 20:39.01 | PeTiLLoN | who manage to install kguitar and listen a .gp4 file? |
| 20:39.17 | amahbod | hello all, i am having trouble with my network card; it doesnt want to get an IP address |
| 20:39.20 | tobs | .gp4 sounds like an apple format |
| 20:39.28 | amahbod | what could be the problem? |
| 20:39.29 | pipeline | wrecked: Eh, IRIX discs are cheap on ebay. Alternatively, you can get the 4 "base" discs (6.5 , no third point) off of amule or something and download the "overlay" discs off of emule. IIRC, the last version to support Indy was 6.5.22 |
| 20:39.39 | *** join/#debian ircdevil (~maasha@130.226.106.174) |
| 20:39.40 | cplusdebian | how do i see the contents of file in gdb... after a fprintf.. if i open the file it is empty.. the contents are still there in buffer |
| 20:39.42 | pipeline | wrecked: err, you can download the overlay discs for free from SGI |
| 20:39.49 | pipatron | PeTiLLoN: <hint>If you write your question in one line, people won't think you are a retard!</hint> |
| 20:40.02 | greycat | cplusdebian: fflush() |
| 20:40.21 | stouse1 | pipatron: that's |
| 20:40.23 | greycat | pipatron: depends on the question.... |
| 20:40.24 | stouse1 | pipatron: absurd |
| 20:40.28 | *** join/#debian Ugly_Duck (~ugly_duck@203-96-150-208.cable.paradise.net.nz) |
| 20:40.28 | wrecked | pipeline: well I see some posts from 2002 and 2001 that claim it works ... yet no explanation on how however :/ |
| 20:40.41 | wrecked | pipeline: yes overlays are free but foundation is not :P |
| 20:40.50 | *** join/#debian spencerk (sk@HSE-Toronto-ppp285272.sympatico.ca) |
| 20:40.53 | abrotman | pipeline: not for Indy1 |
| 20:41.00 | abrotman | pipeline: unless they have archived stuff |
| 20:41.28 | cplusdebian | greycat: fflush.. is to added in prog.. i want a gdb command |
| 20:41.30 | *** join/#debian ratifers (~ratifers@200-153-203-145.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 20:41.35 | *** join/#debian itom (~tommy@81-208-36-90.fastres.net) |
| 20:41.38 | greycat | cplusdebian: awwww. poor baby. |
| 20:41.46 | pipatron | stouset: what |
| 20:41.47 | pipatron | stouset: do |
| 20:41.50 | stouset | PeTiLLoN: kguitar is not included in Debian, is it? |
| 20:41.50 | pipatron | stouset: you mean? |
| 20:41.59 | spencerk | my videocard is made by Chips And Technologies, Inc, what driver should i choose in the sarge install? |
| 20:41.59 | stouset | pipatron: argh never |
| 20:42.02 | *** join/#debian th0re (~thore@83.243.140.5) |
| 20:42.04 | stouset | pipatron: mind |
| 20:42.16 | *** join/#debian elurin (~elurin@85.105.68.163) |
| 20:42.26 | pipatron | stouset: See if there is a 'chips' |
| 20:42.26 | stouset | spencerk: What type of video card is it |
| 20:42.30 | abrotman | spencerk: chips |
| 20:42.41 | pipatron | It's in toshiba laptops, among others |
| 20:42.41 | abrotman | stouset: the antique kind |
| 20:42.46 | stouset | Neat. |
| 20:42.47 | spencerk | theres a chips choice? |
| 20:42.49 | pipatron | And the support is not very good but it works |
| 20:42.57 | spencerk | woo hoo |
| 20:43.05 | pipeline | abrotman: Eh, I think you can still get 22 discs (albeit not feature stream) |
| 20:43.09 | spencerk | thank you |
| 20:43.11 | *** part/#debian ricky_clarkson (~ricky@rickyclarkson.user) |
| 20:43.12 | stouset | I assumed it was just some third-party ATi packager, or something. |
| 20:43.23 | *** join/#debian _daniel_ (~daniel@Dynamic-IP-cr20011850217.cable.net.co) |
| 20:43.28 | abrotman | pipeline: i thought they were now disavowing any knowledge of the Indy1 :) |
| 20:43.58 | *** join/#debian Vincenz0 (~amundsen@230.Red-80-39-1.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:44.02 | *** join/#debian Adrian (adrian@opensource.geek.nz) |
| 20:44.03 | Vincenz0 | hi |
| 20:44.25 | Vincenz0 | does anybody know why backports.org and apt-get.org are so outdated ? |
| 20:44.34 | *** join/#debian procrastinator (~kristian@0x50a47f50.vgnxx2.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 20:44.38 | abrotman | because they're unofficial |
| 20:44.39 | pipeline | abrotman: indy1 ? |
| 20:44.49 | abrotman | pipeline: not to be confused with indigo2 :) |
| 20:44.56 | pipeline | abrotman: no, the Indy is not the Indigo. |
| 20:45.06 | pipeline | abrotman: Indy: Indigo without the "go" |
| 20:45.07 | abrotman | pipeline: i'm aware of that .. just didn't want to leave any room for confusion |
| 20:45.31 | *** join/#debian baroni (~baroni@200-207-58-18.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 20:45.42 | Vincenz0 | so how can i add "stable" binaries away from sarge ? |
| 20:45.55 | *** join/#debian omry (~Omry@IGLD-83-130-33-122.inter.net.il) |
| 20:46.02 | abrotman | sarge is 'stable' |
| 20:46.06 | wrecked | mm indy is still widely supported by SGI .. if any letgo it would be the lower class indigo :P |
| 20:46.15 | cplusdebian | how do i see the contents of file in gdb... after a fprintf.. if i open the file it is empty.. the contents are still there in buffer' |
| 20:46.21 | wrecked | anyway thanx pipeline |
| 20:46.23 | *** part/#debian wrecked (csh@phoenix.echosoft.ca) |
| 20:46.35 | *** join/#debian Skyblaze (~skyblaze@195.191.195.84) |
| 20:48.03 | *** join/#debian raz0 (raz0@0x535e9f0c.kd4nxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 20:48.24 | abrotman | i had an indigo2 .. last i knew .. not supported by any version of IRIX since 6.5.13 or something |
| 20:48.34 | *** part/#debian SamBC|Away (~sdb@thelabyrinth.force9.co.uk) |
| 20:48.47 | pipeline | abrotman: Oh really? I think an I2 will still run the newest version of IRIX if it has an R10k. |
| 20:48.50 | *** join/#debian concept10 (~concept10@c-67-166-167-125.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 20:48.58 | pipeline | abrotman: Any I2 will run up to 6.5.22 |
| 20:49.00 | abrotman | pipeline: i'm pretty sure they've stopped officially supporting it |
| 20:49.10 | abrotman | pipeline: it may work .. but not officially :) |
| 20:49.11 | pipeline | abrotman: Not until very recently -- less than a year ago. |
| 20:49.47 | pipeline | Your specific graphics option might not be supported, but to just run IRIX and serve files? It was supported up until at least 6.5.22 :P |
| 20:50.21 | *** join/#debian tdonahue (~tdonahue@haynesmail.haynes-group.com) |
| 20:50.26 | *** join/#debian Theoden (~nobody@c-24-23-197-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 20:50.34 | *** join/#debian Lennart (~len@78.61-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 20:50.49 | *** join/#debian TuxMeister (~TuxMeiste@228.74.223.82.arsystel.com) |
| 20:50.56 | tarzeau | who made the #debian badger comics, sussudio ? |
| 20:50.57 | amahbod | does anyone have ideas as to why my ethernet card does not grab an IP address from the dhcp server? |
| 20:51.01 | *** part/#debian cplusdebian (~debian@203.212.229.87) |
| 20:51.14 | *** join/#debian ufoalien (nicolas@adsl-177-161-fixip.tiscali.ch) |
| 20:51.26 | tarzeau | i wonder if you guys also watched this stuff when you were a child: http://cinecover.free.fr/covers/Barbapapa_2.jpg |
| 20:52.05 | greycat | tarzeau: the name sounds familiar... |
| 20:52.22 | *** join/#debian mrplum (~m@24-52-166-190.lndnnh.adelphia.net) |
| 20:52.37 | greycat | tarzeau: if I heard the theme song, I'd be sure one way or the other |
| 20:52.39 | *** join/#debian ecobit (~ecobit@157.130.204.142) |
| 20:52.40 | *** part/#debian mrplum (~m@24-52-166-190.lndnnh.adelphia.net) |
| 20:53.08 | xam | tarzeau: no, I've always been this way, without being brainwashed with this thing |
| 20:53.20 | tarzeau | greycat: http://www.naughtykitty.org/barbapapa/(Theme%20from%20Barbapapa)%20-%20Main%20Theme.mp3 |
| 20:53.25 | schrankwand^ | cu |
| 20:53.25 | *** join/#debian qwertz_ (~qwertz@84.19.197.163) |
| 20:53.26 | tarzeau | greycat: LOOOLOLZ cracks me so up |
| 20:53.36 | *** join/#debian janchao_ (~janchao@210.67.184.253) |
| 20:53.40 | abrotman | pipeline: best i could find .. http://www.sunhelp.org/pipermail/geeks/2003-August/040027.html .. up to 6.5. 20 |
| 20:53.43 | abrotman | err 6.5.20 |
| 20:53.47 | *** join/#debian godsmoke (~godsmoke@dsl254-096-003.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 20:53.50 | beardy | tarzeau: Yeah, is it dangerous? :) |
| 20:54.15 | tarzeau | beardy: might give ear cancer |
| 20:54.22 | abrotman | er 6.5.22 |
| 20:54.47 | pipeline | abrotman: Wait, isn't that what I just said? :P |
| 20:54.54 | beardy | tarzeau: I remember they fought demolition machines, and built a strange house. |
| 20:54.59 | abrotman | pipeline: i thought it was earlier .. sorry :) |
| 20:55.20 | abrotman | pipeline: regardless .. SGI doesn't support really any of thier old MIPS boxes |
| 20:55.30 | abrotman | probably O2 .. |
| 20:55.33 | greycat | tarzeau: can't hear it here at work :/ |
| 20:55.57 | tarzeau | greycat: hah ;) |
| 20:55.59 | pipeline | abrotman: SGI wants IRIX dead. |
| 20:56.07 | abrotman | pipeline: duh :) |
| 20:56.13 | pipeline | abrotman: ISVs are abandoning IRIX faster than rats from a sinking ship. |
| 20:56.18 | ecobit | i have a system with 2 custom packages someone installed. they are both dependent upon each other and i cannot seem to remove them both with apt or dpkg. any suggestions? |
| 20:56.20 | pipeline | abrotman: Not even Maya is available on IRIX now. |
| 20:56.41 | abrotman | pipeline: well .. how many CPUs do you have to buy to get irix now .. 32? |
| 20:56.47 | stouset | Yeah...seeing SGI fall is kind of saddening. |
| 20:56.54 | abrotman | esp after buying cray |
| 20:57.21 | pipeline | abrotman: They still sell workstations, but the prices are ridiculous. Also, IRIX development has slowed to a standstill. |
| 20:57.41 | pipeline | abrotman: The IRIX community was excited about firewire and USB support coming to IRIX, only to discover that the drivers were too crippled to actually use. |
| 20:57.50 | stouset | Ouch. |
| 20:57.59 | pipeline | abrotman: The biggest enhancement in the most recent version of IRIX was replacing Adobe reader with xpdf. |
| 20:58.07 | pipeline | As they no longer cared to license DPS |
| 20:58.18 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:58.30 | pipeline | Perhaps I should have put "enhancement" in quotation marks. |
| 20:58.45 | stouset | pipeline: I have to say, though, I saw them demo Smoke when their "Mobile Innovation Lab" came to Atlanta. It was pretty impressive. |
| 20:59.06 | abrotman | stouset: i had an Indigo2 ... just maybe 2 years ago .. still a VERY impressive machine |
| 20:59.08 | tvn | is it possible to mount a ftp location ? |
| 20:59.09 | pipeline | stouset: Eh, Discreet has nothing to worry about. They sell turnkey boxes. They could change hardware overnight and their customers wouldn't give a flying fuck. |
| 20:59.15 | abrotman | tvn: yes |
| 20:59.17 | abrotman | wait ... |
| 20:59.27 | *** join/#debian f0rtex (~DonCorleo@212-41-76-98.adsl.solnet.ch) |
| 20:59.29 | stouset | They dropped a medium res bitmap of a mountain into an HD commercial, did a little magic, and the mountain rotated and moved along with the rest of the scenery. |
| 20:59.29 | abrotman | tvn: you can mount via ssh |
| 20:59.33 | abrotman | !tell tvn about shfs |
| 20:59.35 | pipeline | abrotman: And just think: The I2 is pretty much the least impressive machine SGI has ever produced :P |
| 20:59.37 | stouset | My jaw hit the floor. |
| 20:59.37 | *** join/#debian merline (~judith@84-72-41-18.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:59.37 | *** join/#debian kevin_ (~kevin@dsl-72-1-219.160.tel-ott.com) |
| 20:59.59 | abrotman | pipeline: i'm not sure about that .. it was R10k with 256MB and 9GB scsi and High Impact with 4MB TRAM |
| 21:00.13 | pipeline | abrotman: Yeah, but the system bandwidth is so bad that that R10k is just spinning its wheels. |
| 21:00.21 | tvn | abrotman: I know about ssh mount .... but this computer I have access to only have telnet and ftp |
| 21:00.34 | pipeline | abrotman: Least impressive SGI is like the world's tallest midget :P |
| 21:00.38 | *** join/#debian zOap (~zOap@dsl-53-2-156.monet.no) |
| 21:00.51 | stouset | tvn: You want to mount a drive over FTP? |
| 21:00.51 | pipeline | stouset: Did you see the price tags on those damn things? We're talking 100% markup over SGI list. |
| 21:00.58 | stouset | pipeline: I bet. |
| 21:01.00 | abrotman | tvn: yo should punish the admin |
| 21:01.04 | pipeline | stouset: And SGI list is already murderous |
| 21:01.06 | abrotman | pipeline: it was lots of fun to play with .. |
| 21:01.10 | *** join/#debian caspercba (~ksper@amiel.cordoba.sinectis.com.ar) |
| 21:01.22 | sparr_ | j_k: i need a way that doesnt depend on the WM |
| 21:01.22 | pipeline | stouset: The market for those is very, very small. Professionals who need to do work in literally real-time, with customers standing behind their chair :P |
| 21:01.22 | jethro | tvn: google for ftpfs, if it still exists. |
| 21:01.28 | tvn | stouset: yeh, I want to mount a ftp location |
| 21:01.33 | abrotman | pipeline: and considering i paid $500(with the feet!!!!) .. i think it was a good buy |
| 21:01.48 | stouset | pipeline: Nice. |
| 21:01.56 | tvn | abrotman: super computer from hp research testdrive : telnet + ftp only :P |
| 21:02.00 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 21:02.01 | dpkg | i heard debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 21:02.09 | abrotman | tvn: windows admins! |
| 21:02.16 | pipeline | stouset: Something else they probably didn't show you is that they rely on hardware acceleration to do all their tricks. If you overflow the video memory, the entire system grinds to a halt. |
| 21:02.19 | *** join/#debian scytheman (scytheman@p54B64571.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:02.24 | stouset | tvn: Maybe Carly set it up? |
| 21:02.32 | pipeline | abrotman: At the time that that thing was worth $500, the I2 was bloody fast even with a crippled system bus. |
| 21:02.43 | stouset | pipeline: Ouch :-) |
| 21:02.47 | amorphix | how do you label a fd? |
| 21:02.52 | abrotman | pipeline: it was the video card with crystal vision! |
| 21:03.16 | abrotman | pipeline: and irix really was a nice desktop |
| 21:03.18 | *** join/#debian Adrian_ (adrian@opensource.geek.nz) |
| 21:03.22 | abrotman | 5dwm or whatever it was |
| 21:03.25 | pipeline | 4dwm |
| 21:03.37 | pipeline | there's a guy who has SGI's blessing to remake their custom CDE variant for Linux |
| 21:03.39 | ecobit | isn't there a switch to apt-get to ignore dependency info? |
| 21:03.43 | pipeline | his attempt is pretty, uh, sad, though |
| 21:03.44 | abrotman | pipeline: yes there is |
| 21:03.49 | abrotman | ecobit: man dpkg |
| 21:03.51 | *** join/#debian Ugly_Duck (~ugly_duck@203-96-150-208.cable.paradise.net.nz) |
| 21:04.13 | *** join/#debian stetyR (~stetuR@88stb68.codetel.net.do) |
| 21:04.33 | tvn | jethro: thanks , seems like it has been replaced by lufs ... will check for info on that |
| 21:04.56 | *** join/#debian tobz (~tobz@ip68-9-229-234.ri.ri.cox.net) |
| 21:05.01 | *** join/#debian mds (~mds@c-66-176-137-57.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 21:05.29 | *** join/#debian haehae (~haehae@84-72-0-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 21:05.32 | haehae | hi |
| 21:05.47 | amahbod | help! i am having trouble with my network card; it doesnt get an IP address from the DHCP server. what could be the problem? |
| 21:05.56 | abrotman | it's not set up for dhcp! |
| 21:05.58 | amorphix | anyone know how to label a fd? |
| 21:06.00 | stetyR | helo helo |
| 21:06.06 | ix | a great deal of things, amahbod! |
| 21:06.06 | haehae | during apt-get update && apt-get upgrade i allways get the same packages... kinda like its in a infinity loop ?! .. http://paste.debian.net/909 |
| 21:06.11 | amahbod | abrotman, how do i set it up? |
| 21:06.16 | abrotman | etherconf is one way |
| 21:06.20 | *** join/#debian jab (~jeff@www.mail-archive.com) |
| 21:06.26 | amahbod | abrotman, ok |
| 21:06.41 | amahbod | abrotman, how do i run etherconf |
| 21:06.50 | abrotman | it's a command .. install it ? |
| 21:06.52 | *** part/#debian jab (~jeff@www.mail-archive.com) |
| 21:06.55 | abrotman | or man interfaces |
| 21:07.01 | ecobit | hmm supposedly --ignore-depends=package,... switch can take two or more items separated by commas, but it doesn't |
| 21:07.11 | *** join/#debian zOap (~zOap@dsl-53-2-156.monet.no) |
| 21:07.19 | amahbod | abrotman, ok i will try installing it |
| 21:07.26 | amahbod | thanks! |
| 21:07.33 | *** join/#debian blahdeblah (~paulgear@202-161-12-31.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 21:07.38 | *** join/#debian gdub (~gdub@d207-81-76-176.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 21:08.19 | ufoalien | my neighbour hates it |
| 21:08.46 | stetyR | nadie me va a halbar acá |
| 21:08.54 | *** join/#debian DvD (~ISPBR3@Slackware.is.my.signed.life.NielsoN.com.br) |
| 21:09.01 | *** join/#debian kmalloc (~root@helium.prodar.com.br) |
| 21:09.10 | ufoalien | apt? |
| 21:09.25 | ecobit | at any rate, these crappy packages are still installed. when uninstalling i get an error msg "ERROR: the Linux OS running on your system is not supported!" and the uninstall fails. because this package "requires" another one i can't deinstall either |
| 21:10.12 | nvz | ufoalien: its letting kmalloc know, he is IRC'ing as root |
| 21:10.51 | nvz | which is nothing short of incredibly stupid |
| 21:11.19 | *** join/#debian cesschneider (~cesar@201.10.69.169) |
| 21:11.24 | stetyR | hola hola nadie me va a hablar |
| 21:11.36 | cesschneider | hi guys |
| 21:11.42 | *** join/#debian agney (~bofh@agney.user) |
| 21:11.43 | ufoalien | nvz: chatting as root? that's really stupid! |
| 21:11.58 | ufoalien | nvz: I did that when I was 4 years old ;) |
| 21:11.59 | cesschneider | I'm trying to compile php5 on debian |
| 21:12.01 | *** part/#debian star007 (~Star@ACB6374A.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:12.07 | matiasV | stetyR, No te sientas solo, pero tenes q probar en ingles |
| 21:12.07 | cesschneider | but I get this error |
| 21:12.08 | *** join/#debian emptty (~mquinson@ANancy-153-1-62-14.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:12.14 | cesschneider | configure: error: Unable to find gd.h anywhere under /usr |
| 21:12.19 | *** join/#debian debianito (~WebChat@182.Red-83-34-63.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:12.20 | nvz | ufoalien: how old are you now? 16? |
| 21:12.24 | *** part/#debian debianito (~WebChat@182.Red-83-34-63.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:12.32 | *** part/#debian emptty (~mquinson@ANancy-153-1-62-14.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:12.40 | ufoalien | nvz: yes |
| 21:12.47 | stetyR | matias yo soy una chica |
| 21:12.58 | cesschneider | someone can help me please ? |
| 21:13.01 | *** join/#debian pbrunier (~patrick@cp726445-b.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) |
| 21:13.17 | nvz | ufoalien: hmm, then you may be telling the truth, if you were using Linux 1.1 or something |
| 21:13.28 | shingouz | stetyR, matiasV: #debian-es, please |
| 21:13.30 | simonrvn | stetyR: /server irc.efnet.net |
| 21:13.38 | ufoalien | nvz: lol :) |
| 21:13.39 | stew | date on rfc 1459 is May 1993 |
| 21:13.57 | matiasV | stetyR, para castellano #debian-es |
| 21:14.06 | vezult | !spanish |
| 21:14.06 | *** join/#debian Nevat_Nohara (~nohara@113.Red-81-35-250.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:14.06 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:14.10 | ufoalien | cesschneider: you installed the gd dev package? |
| 21:14.18 | stetyR | thanks |
| 21:14.29 | cesschneider | no |
| 21:14.35 | cesschneider | apt-get install gd-dev ? |
| 21:14.40 | *** join/#debian Le_Vert_ (~Le_Vert__@81.56.196.209) |
| 21:14.54 | *** join/#debian KirbyMeister (kirbymeist@ool-457064c3.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 21:15.08 | ufoalien | cesschneider: mybe libgd-dev? |
| 21:15.12 | KirbyMeister | I've a question in configuring Xinerama dualhead setups |
| 21:15.13 | ufoalien | or libgd2-dev? |
| 21:15.25 | KirbyMeister | I have it configures |
| 21:15.43 | KirbyMeister | but when I load up X it gives me a fatal error about something being used twice |
| 21:16.28 | drac | KirbyMeister: "something" ? |
| 21:16.40 | cesschneider | ok... let me try |
| 21:16.47 | KirbyMeister | ERm... I forgot wat it was exactly... I think it was 'Entity used twice' or something |
| 21:16.49 | drac | KirbyMeister: Defined BusID "PCI:?:?:?" for both of them? lspci -X. |
| 21:16.56 | drac | huh |
| 21:17.04 | drac | How spesific. |
| 21:17.04 | *** join/#debian sk (sk@sk.apexsoftware.com) |
| 21:17.04 | KirbyMeister | drac: Yup. It's on one card, so they use the same BusID |
| 21:17.19 | Stevie[FP] | damnit |
| 21:17.24 | Stevie[FP] | PCI setup failed: 3 |
| 21:17.26 | Stevie[FP] | wtf |
| 21:17.34 | simonrvn | um, you don't need to specify it twice... in fact like you saw, it'll puke |
| 21:17.34 | KirbyMeister | I'm using the 'nv' driver |
| 21:17.58 | cesschneider | now I get this error: |
| 21:18.01 | KirbyMeister | simonrvn: So you mean I should only have one 'Device' entry? |
| 21:18.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 867] by debhelper |
| 21:18.03 | cesschneider | configure: error: Cannot find rfc822.h. Please check your c-client installation. |
| 21:18.21 | *** join/#debian Cyberax (~kvirc@cpc2-stoc7-6-1-cust174.midd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 21:18.25 | simonrvn | if there's one one device, of course |
| 21:18.40 | ufoalien | cesschneider: have you got c-client installed? ;) |
| 21:18.43 | KirbyMeister | it's one card |
| 21:18.45 | KirbyMeister | with two ports |
| 21:18.48 | stew | cesschneider: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:18.54 | *** part/#debian stetyR (~stetuR@88stb68.codetel.net.do) |
| 21:19.05 | simonrvn | yeh, still only one device... |
| 21:19.27 | KirbyMeister | aah |
| 21:19.29 | KirbyMeister | i got it |
| 21:19.59 | Stevie[FP] | this is starting to annoy me |
| 21:21.16 | *** join/#debian kantai (~kantai@c-66-177-116-154.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 21:22.25 | newdebusr | does anyone know what this error means: device-mapper: unknown block ioctl 0x801c6d02 |
| 21:22.37 | *** join/#debian kurumin (~kurumin@201008198088.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 21:23.34 | ratifers | alguem saberia em qual pacote fica o kde-config ? |
| 21:23.40 | *** join/#debian skx (~skx@82-41-224-160.cable.ubr07.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 21:24.37 | *** join/#debian silverwolf (~silverwol@cpe.atm2-0-51103.0x50a3e74e.naenxx8.customer.tele.dk) |
| 21:24.51 | *** join/#debian TheCount (~count@e178111026.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 21:25.04 | TheCount | 'lo! |
| 21:25.23 | spart | how can i check what package installed a particular file? im looking through apt-cache but i dont see it |
| 21:25.30 | TheCount | what's up with the security update? |
| 21:25.35 | TheCount | spart: dpkg -S filename |
| 21:25.37 | vezult | spart: dpkg -S filename |
| 21:25.40 | *** join/#debian poli (~poli@200-168-30-125.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 21:25.46 | simonrvn | dlocate /path/to/file dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 21:25.49 | *** join/#debian jayparadise (~james@cpe-024-211-050-039.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 21:25.49 | spart | Thanks TheCount , vezult |
| 21:25.56 | Stevie[FP] | Segmentation fault |
| 21:26.00 | Stevie[FP] | well that's not very good |
| 21:26.01 | ufoalien | spart: or apt-file search <file> (but you need to install apt-file first) |
| 21:26.14 | Stevie[FP] | I oopsed my kernel. |
| 21:26.16 | ufoalien | Stevie[FP]: uh, I love this! |
| 21:26.27 | ufoalien | Stevie[FP]: merde ;) |
| 21:26.37 | Stevie[FP] | fricken 2.6 |
| 21:26.41 | *** join/#debian prodigy (~cool479@c-67-167-218-35.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 21:26.50 | Stevie[FP] | and it still won't recognize my gigabit card |
| 21:26.52 | robin_sz | TheCount: what do you tink is wrong with the security update? |
| 21:26.58 | *** part/#debian vezult (~david@mx.hrcsb.org) |
| 21:27.11 | TheCount | robin_sz: what security update? ;) |
| 21:27.27 | robin_sz | oh, its just gone missing huh? |
| 21:27.50 | *** join/#debian FlopsyPete (~p@host217-35-105-99.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 21:27.54 | spart | thx simonrvn , ufoalien :) |
| 21:27.55 | TheCount | robin_sz: heise ran an article today about Debian not publishing any advisories etc. for weeks |
| 21:28.11 | prodigy | is it possible to set up a regular comp to host a web server? |
| 21:28.15 | ufoalien | Stevie[FP]: ah, my gigabit card works greate :) but my display is fucking destroied |
| 21:28.16 | *** join/#debian streuner (foobar@p54A5DDA5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:28.20 | TheCount | prodigy: absolutely |
| 21:28.24 | FlopsyPete | boinc-client is referred to by a package, but unavailable. how do I get it, from the upstream author? |
| 21:28.34 | ufoalien | hm. has anyone of you got an asus laptop? |
| 21:28.40 | *** join/#debian K_Dallas (~Korbain@66.11.181.10) |
| 21:28.42 | prodigy | is it difficult? and will that comp need its own ip address? |
| 21:28.48 | robin_sz | ufoalien: yes, lots of people have |
| 21:28.56 | TheCount | FlopsyPete: do you have only 'main' in your package list, or nonfree and contrib as well? |
| 21:29.06 | simonrvn | FlopsyPete: could be under another package name |
| 21:29.06 | robin_sz | prodigy: yes it needs an IP address ... no its not difficualt at all |
| 21:29.14 | TheCount | prodigy: yes and no, yes and no :) depends |
| 21:29.24 | FlopsyPete | TheCount: I have all 3 |
| 21:30.02 | TheCount | prodigy: it needs to be reachable on port 80 (at least), via a public IP address. the complexity of your webserver depends on the services you want to provide. |
| 21:30.06 | ufoalien | rob_lt: because I bought a W1G one week ago, and now I've got a yellow line on my display |
| 21:30.11 | ufoalien | and that suxx |
| 21:30.20 | stew | FlopsyPete: check to see if boinc-client has an itp filed against wnpp |
| 21:30.26 | *** join/#debian caphuso (foobar@p5481F455.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:30.37 | *** join/#debian elurin (~elurin@85.105.68.163) |
| 21:30.45 | FlopsyPete | simonrvn: kboincspy depends upon it |
| 21:30.46 | robin_sz | ufoalien: and you think this yellow line problem is caused by debian? |
| 21:30.48 | FlopsyPete | stew: will do |
| 21:31.28 | ufoalien | rob_lt: nono, but i just want to ask if this happened to somenone else |
| 21:31.50 | TheCount | FlopsyPete: hmm, sorry |
| 21:32.18 | TheCount | ufoalien: horizontal or vertical? |
| 21:32.28 | *** part/#debian elurin (~elurin@85.105.68.163) |
| 21:32.35 | ufoalien | TheCat: vertical |
| 21:32.37 | TheCount | ufoalien: irregardless of what's displayed/the resolution? |
| 21:32.54 | ufoalien | s/cat/Count |
| 21:32.59 | *** join/#debian Monsta- (WinNT@c-24-0-245-6.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 21:33.14 | stew | !dict irregardless |
| 21:33.16 | ufoalien | TheCount: jep, it appears at boot-time when the asus logo comes, and is still there now |
| 21:33.16 | dpkg | could not find definition for irregardless |
| 21:33.21 | *** join/#debian cire (~cire@p549FBF1B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:33.34 | *** join/#debian KirbyMeister (kirbymeist@ool-457064c3.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 21:33.39 | KirbyMeister | Okay, that didnt work |
| 21:33.57 | cire | How may I tell "find", to return all files ending with ".jpg" OR ".gif" ? -name "*.jpg" works, but how may I add the gif criteria? |
| 21:34.05 | KirbyMeister | I tried to have both Screen entries use the same Device entry, and the X server only used one monitor |
| 21:34.38 | prodigy | i'm currently runing 3 computers through my router and all are given the same ip address. would it be possible to set one up to host a web server? |
| 21:34.51 | robin_sz | prodigy: yes |
| 21:34.53 | TheCount | stew: "ir-re-gard-less (ir' gärd'lis), adv. Nonstandard, regardless, [1910-15; IR- (prob. after irrespective) + REGARDLESS]" |
| 21:34.54 | caphuso | cire: -name \*.jpg -o -name \*.gif |
| 21:34.55 | KirbyMeister | prodigy: you need to configure your router for port forwarding first |
| 21:35.00 | ufoalien | TheCount: and when I put on an external screen it works grate on that, so it is definitvely a hardware problem on the device in the notebook |
| 21:35.12 | prodigy | what's port forwarding? |
| 21:35.14 | cire | thank you |
| 21:35.33 | robin_sz | prodigy: you have ot get you router to forward all connections to its external port 80 to one of your internal machines ip address on port 80 |
| 21:35.52 | *** join/#debian dieguito (~diego@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:2cbb) |
| 21:35.53 | TheCount | ufoalien: hm, seems like something responsible for a column/group of columns of subpixels is showing you the finger |
| 21:36.09 | KirbyMeister | You know what, f*** this, I'll use the nvidia driver instead |
| 21:36.19 | prodigy | alright, how do i do that? |
| 21:36.27 | FlopsyPete | kboincspy "Package has a Suggests on boinc-client which cannot be satisfied on i386" |
| 21:36.30 | pureone | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_forwarding |
| 21:36.42 | *** join/#debian ocean29 (fred@154.91.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 21:36.55 | *** join/#debian kristiank (~christian@Mix-Toulouse-206-1-25.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:36.58 | ufoalien | TheCount: yes, and its worse, i've got my holiday now, and if i want to fix the problem i have to send my laptop to asus |
| 21:37.10 | *** join/#debian bkl (foobar@countryhaven.org) |
| 21:37.14 | ufoalien | TheCount: ok, it's free, but i want to work on my laptop |
| 21:37.18 | prodigy | also, while on the topic, is it possible to have my router give each computer a different ip address? |
| 21:37.25 | prodigy | thanks pureone |
| 21:37.29 | TheCount | ufoalien: 'hoorayyy' |
| 21:37.31 | bkl | Where is the default X session specified? i.e. XFCE4 is coming up as the default instead of Gnome. |
| 21:37.32 | *** join/#debian xLobeznox (~vegan@62.175.86.82) |
| 21:37.38 | pureone | :) |
| 21:38.03 | nvz | bkl: depends on how you started X |
| 21:38.07 | TheCount | prodigy: please learn a little bit more about TCP/IP before trying this kind of question ;) |
| 21:38.10 | *** join/#debian Leopard (~Leopard@H32c4.h.pppool.de) |
| 21:38.17 | nvz | bkl: but usually ~/.xsession |
| 21:38.29 | ufoalien | TheCount: and the fucking seller doesn't care about the Swiss obligation law which says that i can have a new notebook if there is a hardware failure |
| 21:38.46 | *** join/#debian samuel (~samuel@201.144.112.3) |
| 21:38.53 | robin_sz | prodigy: each macine inside the network has a IP address in a private address space, externally, the router has at least one (probably only one) ip address ... |
| 21:38.56 | TheCount | ufoalien: well, it's not his fucking problem *grin* |
| 21:38.56 | bkl | nvz: gdm |
| 21:39.04 | nvz | bkl: also depends on what you mean by default. there is the default choice of session the DM has, then there is the actual default session, which reads ~/.xsession |
| 21:39.10 | *** join/#debian ecobit (~ecobit@157.130.204.142) |
| 21:39.10 | robin_sz | prodigy: but, you can run many hundreds of websites from one ip address |
| 21:39.19 | TheCount | ufoalien: you have to make him more aware it IS |
| 21:39.29 | nvz | bkl: by default session I mean choosing "default" in the session menu, not the session it logs into if you do not choose |
| 21:39.29 | robin_sz | prodigy: and many hundreds of websites on a single web server |
| 21:39.48 | bkl | nvz: The session it logs into if I do not choose is what I'm trying to change. |
| 21:39.55 | ufoalien | :D |
| 21:40.01 | nvz | bkl: just click on session and pick another one |
| 21:40.09 | prodigy | ok, so i can have the router forward all requests to one of the computers? |
| 21:40.10 | nvz | bkl: its as simple as that |
| 21:40.28 | robin_sz | prodigy: sure |
| 21:40.45 | *** part/#debian dieguito (~diego@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:2cbb) |
| 21:40.52 | nvz | bkl: it asks you when you choose a different session, if you want to do it just this time, or make it the default choice |
| 21:40.52 | robin_sz | prodigy: go and read about apache and "virtual hosts" |
| 21:40.54 | bkl | nvz: This is for *sers. I don't want to have to tell all of them to choose something. Automatic is much preferred for them. |
| 21:41.07 | nvz | bkl: would I lie to you? |
| 21:41.15 | TheCount | nvz: yupp. |
| 21:41.18 | nvz | bkl: dont be an idiot, just choose a different session |
| 21:41.32 | nvz | bkl: that is the way you set the default session |
| 21:41.32 | prodigy | robin_sz alright thanks |
| 21:41.41 | *** part/#debian Leopard (~Leopard@H32c4.h.pppool.de) |
| 21:41.41 | *** join/#debian mage__ (mage@81-188-70-181.adsl.easynet.be) |
| 21:42.21 | nvz | TheCount: nobody asked you ;) |
| 21:42.30 | bkl | nvz: _my_ choosing a default session at the GDM login screen does not affect their default session. |
| 21:42.42 | bkl | nvz: or al least, not so far.... |
| 21:42.42 | robin_sz | right, stuff this. I want dancing girls. |
| 21:42.44 | robin_sz | NOW! |
| 21:43.01 | TheCount | nvz: uh, free speech? ;) |
| 21:43.07 | robin_sz | dpkg: summon dancing girls |
| 21:43.08 | dpkg | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing dancing girls's coordinates |
| 21:43.09 | *** join/#debian simoz (~no@adsl-ull-84-5.50-151.net24.it) |
| 21:43.22 | nvz | bkl: when the user types in their user name and clicks session, and chooses a session type, they will be asked if they want to use it just for this session, or make it the default. if they cannot handle doing this one time, they should not be using a PC |
| 21:43.30 | simoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.40 | *** join/#debian Fawkes (~Fawkes@82-37-129-40.cable.ubr01.telf.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 21:43.42 | TheCount | .o( talk about being userfriendly ) |
| 21:43.52 | *** join/#debian sess (~sean@c-65-96-123-196.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 21:43.58 | simoz | i've some porblem with postfix+sasl+tls on my debian sarge |
| 21:44.12 | simoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.30 | simoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.31 | bkl | nvz: simplify, simplify, simplify. The vast majority of my users should not be using pointy objects, but I still have to give them access to their accounts. The simpler this is, the better. |
| 21:44.31 | Fawkes | Greetings! :) |
| 21:44.34 | robin_sz | compiled? |
| 21:44.42 | bkl | nvz: And I know this is configurable somehow. |
| 21:44.43 | TheCount | bkl: tried /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --config x-window-manager ? |
| 21:44.47 | simoz | I run strace for see what smtpd do and I see it try to open /etc/sasldb2 |
| 21:44.59 | *** join/#debian One (~Ederson@200.212.137.130) |
| 21:45.02 | simoz | although I've run with -a shadow mechanism. |
| 21:45.10 | ufoalien | TheCount: I wrote a driver for the ledd-display on my notebook ( see http://ufoalien.bug.ch/olivia.jpg ) and saw two days later that there was a driver for the w1n :/ |
| 21:45.15 | simoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.17 | stew | simoz: #postfix |
| 21:45.19 | bkl | TheCount: That's currently set for metacity, so I don't think that's it. |
| 21:45.28 | *** join/#debian POVaddct (nobody@p54B37F36.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:45.32 | ufoalien | TheCat: the display is where "CPU 100" is :) |
| 21:45.32 | TheCount | bkl: gdm? |
| 21:45.37 | robin_sz | simoz: when you say compiled, do you really mean installed the .debs or buitl from source? |
| 21:45.46 | nvz | bkl: there is nothing simpler than what I told you, which is how you choose the default session. if they cannot handle choosing a session (even if only once) they should not be using gdm at all, or a PC for that matter |
| 21:45.58 | nvz | bkl: if you are so worried about it, login as each user one time FFS |
| 21:46.05 | simoz | robin_sz: source |
| 21:46.14 | *** join/#debian bucky (~bucky@bucky.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 21:46.20 | sess | Anyone successfully get a wacom graphire working under sarge with XFree86 4.3? |
| 21:46.40 | TheCount | nvz: hello - he wants to set a default default session ;) |
| 21:46.48 | *** join/#debian Theoden (~nobody@c-24-23-197-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 21:47.00 | robin_sz | simoz: what was wrong with the debian packages? |
| 21:47.09 | TheCount | ufoalien: niiice |
| 21:47.14 | sess | I just can't figure out if there is something I need to do to activate the config under X |
| 21:47.15 | bkl | nvz: All 68 of them? And yes, they shouldn't be using PCs, but that's not an option. |
| 21:47.22 | nvz | TheCount: then maybe he should reprogram GDM or talk to the developers |
| 21:47.24 | robin_sz | simoz: was there a reason not to use them? |
| 21:47.27 | TheCount | bkl: cyanide. |
| 21:47.28 | sess | I've set up the appropriate inputdevice entries |
| 21:47.35 | *** join/#debian WillR (~fgfdhgsfd@ptr-66-225-151-97.ptr.terago.ca) |
| 21:47.36 | bkl | TheCount: gdm is not an alternative in the update-alternatives list. |
| 21:47.49 | sess | and put them under serverlayout wiht the option sendCoreEvents |
| 21:47.56 | TheCount | nvz: nah ;) he could fiddle with /etc/gdm/Xsession or place the config entry which sets the default option into the home directory of the user himself |
| 21:48.16 | TheCount | nvz: but that would mean he would have to do it for his own user and afterwards figure out how that works, unless we tell them |
| 21:48.25 | TheCount | nvz: so, how do we carry on nagging him now? |
| 21:48.25 | WillR | if someone can hlpe me id be so gratefull.. im in a cage right now and i dont have root pass for this machine... i type boot: linux single and it says not a valid image and linux emergency doesnt work.... single doesnt work.....any ideas?? reallly need to get into thi box |
| 21:48.34 | bkl | heh. |
| 21:48.35 | ufoalien | TheCount: that's greate, I can see my cpu when I'm in my bed, and the notebooks is on the table, while I'm looking tv with its built-in linux supprted tv card (with a yellow line on the display ;) |
| 21:48.36 | nvz | bkl: you are just being unreasonably stupid, and not appreciating free advice. gdm obviously touches or writes this info into a file in the users homedir, if you were not such an idiot yourself, you would take the advice I gave you, and ACTUALLY TRY IT ONE FUCKING TIME, and see what this is. |
| 21:48.45 | sess | yet, I get no motion, unless I activate /dev/input/mice with auto set to the protocol for my mouse, and then the stylus and mouse work in absolute mode, but the tracking is off |
| 21:48.50 | sess | the ratio is off I mean |
| 21:48.52 | TheCount | ufoalien: you're SO mid-twenty ;) |
| 21:49.00 | *** join/#debian Althaser (~nufan@bl4-191-154.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 21:49.17 | *** join/#debian piaf (~piaf@ip-62-129-184-221.evc.net) |
| 21:49.32 | WillR | anybody know of a way to reset root pass.... linux single isnt working |
| 21:49.38 | TheCount | nvz: well, we could tell him were his default-default session is set, but then we'd have to look, wouldn't we? ;) |
| 21:49.49 | bkl | nvz: Ironic. I thought I was the one who was supposed to be stressed. |
| 21:49.53 | TheCount | WillR: lilo or grub? |
| 21:49.57 | WillR | lilo |
| 21:50.05 | nvz | TheCount: yeah, and I am playing xbox right now, and just trying to tell him the way _I_ set my default gdm session |
| 21:50.10 | TheCount | WillR: try "linux init=/bin/bash rw" |
| 21:50.11 | bkl | TheCount & nvz: Thanks for the info, I'll keep poking at things. |
| 21:50.22 | simoz | robin_sz: the .deb have the same problem |
| 21:50.31 | TheCount | nvz: http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/how-to-help.html |
| 21:50.35 | POVaddct | WillR: "linux" doesn't seem to be the name of the bootable lilo section |
| 21:50.39 | nvz | TheCount: he could take the info _I_ gave him and figure it out for himself, since he _is_ the sysadmin, and his needs don't match up to the *FREE* advice I am giving |
| 21:50.43 | WillR | ok.. thx.. i have to shut this down and try... any other suggestions while im there? |
| 21:50.51 | nvz | TheCount: lick my nuts :P |
| 21:50.56 | sess | Im certain the wacom driver is compiled and working |
| 21:50.57 | TheCount | nvz: you're SO leet. I adore you ;) |
| 21:51.01 | nvz | TheCount: I gave him an exact answer |
| 21:51.05 | POVaddct | WillR: is /etc/lilo.conf readable for you? |
| 21:51.13 | nvz | TheCount: he's capable of running with it, just not willing to |
| 21:51.16 | WillR | i cant get into the system |
| 21:51.19 | sess | the wacdump utility records the device, the pressure sensitivity, and tracks the coordinates |
| 21:51.20 | WillR | i dont know. |
| 21:51.27 | POVaddct | WillR: so try |
| 21:51.30 | TheCount | nvz: he simply wanted to know where to set the default session for his login manager, not for each and every user. if you don't know that, fuck the shut up, and duck my sick! |
| 21:51.34 | sess | however, I can't use wacdump unless I sudo or am root |
| 21:51.35 | WillR | try what? |
| 21:51.40 | stew | WillR: boot a livecd and chroot to your root partition |
| 21:51.44 | sess | does the fact that I dont have permission to access event2 matter? |
| 21:51.47 | nvz | TheCount: :) |
| 21:51.57 | POVaddct | WillR: try to read /etc/lilo.conf with less or cat |
| 21:52.01 | WillR | stew..then what?? |
| 21:52.01 | TheCount | nvz: you gave him an answer for a totally different question, in case you didn't notice ;) |
| 21:52.02 | nvz | TheCount: in the login managers config file |
| 21:52.09 | WillR | POV i dont have a command prompt |
| 21:52.16 | stew | WillR: passwd root |
| 21:52.25 | WillR | it'll let me do that from cd? |
| 21:52.31 | nvz | TheCount: afaik they dont have a global default.. the users choose their default |
| 21:52.38 | sess | I've been working on this for weeks now, and I really need an outsiders help, maybe Im just missing something that Im so used to seeing wrong that It looks right |
| 21:52.39 | stew | WillR: yes, if you chroot to your root partition on the HD |
| 21:52.40 | TheCount | WillR: boot, and boot the kernel with the option "init=/bin/bash rw" .. then 'passwd root', change the password, then 'sync', then '/sbin/reboot -f', done |
| 21:52.52 | WillR | what is proper format ? chroot /dev/hda /bin/bash? |
| 21:53.09 | stew | WillR: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt ; chroot /mnt ; passwd root |
| 21:53.11 | *** join/#debian S0n1 (~dickvigar@200.203.6.36) |
| 21:53.13 | S0n1 | hi |
| 21:53.24 | *** join/#debian ananda (~ananda@200.249.79.2) |
| 21:53.27 | stew | WillR: (hda1 needs to be adjusted for your system) |
| 21:53.27 | S0n1 | someone auth pure-ftp our proftpd in postgresql herE? |
| 21:53.36 | S0n1 | or have howto |
| 21:53.37 | sparr_ | I need to know which window is recieving my keyboard input, without help from a window manager, how? |
| 21:53.44 | TheCount | nvz: nah, can't be. |
| 21:53.47 | WillR | ok ill try counts way first then try the harder way.. thanks.... |
| 21:53.53 | WillR | ill be bak in a bit heh... |
| 21:53.54 | *** join/#debian piaf (~piaf@ip-62-129-184-221.evc.net) |
| 21:54.05 | nvz | TheCount: I dont know, I am only a gdm user, not the creator |
| 21:54.24 | *** join/#debian terrex (~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com) |
| 21:54.37 | TheCount | nvz: I know I changed that sometime 'back then', but I forgot, and didn't find it on a quick glance, so ... |
| 21:54.39 | *** part/#debian ocean29 (fred@154.91.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 21:54.50 | zinx | sparr_: XGetInputFocus, i'd guess |
| 21:55.52 | nvz | TheCount: I was answering the question from a user to a user, you're interjection when you didnt have a better answer is where the bitching began |
| 21:55.56 | *** join/#debian nevyn (~nevyn@c211-28-235-187.fernt1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 21:56.30 | TheCount | nvz: touche ;) |
| 21:57.13 | nvz | I am trying to play a game here, I dont have time to fight with two people who have different reasons to be pissed off about the same thing ;) |
| 21:57.28 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (~DimmuR@bzv33.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 21:57.30 | sparr_ | zinx: :( no coding skills here |
| 21:57.31 | TheCount | nvz: then don't do it? |
| 21:57.47 | nvz | I'm not :P I am trying this mission for the 3rd time |
| 21:58.07 | nvz | realizing that there is not point in trying to shoot these idiots, cause they shoot down the chopper reguardless |
| 21:58.07 | TheCount | nvz: hey, do I let my attention be disrupted or do you? ;) |
| 21:58.22 | *** part/#debian J_P (jp@200.146.37.219) |
| 21:58.33 | nvz | even if I shoot the one with the RPG right in the head.. he doesnt die.. I go down reguardless |
| 21:58.39 | zinx | sparr_: well, that information is only useful to a coder anyway |
| 21:58.49 | *** join/#debian sbk (~user@63.145.232.32) |
| 21:59.38 | *** join/#debian toonX (~toonx@10.Red-81-32-81.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:59.42 | sbk | Is there a tool that shows the various "starting/range of " memory addresses used by a particular process? E.g. stack/head/code etc? |
| 22:00.12 | *** join/#debian Leonardo_Cabelo (~LeonardoC@leonardo-cabelo-00001.user) |
| 22:00.25 | sparr_ | zinx: i need to know why a program stops responding to input |
| 22:00.51 | zinx | sparr_: try xev |
| 22:00.52 | TheCount | sbk: cat /proc/$$/maps |
| 22:01.02 | zinx | sparr_: though i doubt it will hep |
| 22:01.04 | zinx | erh, help |
| 22:01.25 | *** join/#debian knj (~knj@D40A3E04.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 22:01.37 | sbk | TheCount: perfect :-) thanks |
| 22:02.06 | nvz | ah, now I see why I keep dying, that guy throws a granade at me |
| 22:02.19 | TheCount | sbk: don't expect this to be physical addresses ;) |
| 22:02.24 | nvz | oh well, I lost interest |
| 22:02.52 | *** join/#debian mikey (~mikey@62.240.162.142) |
| 22:02.52 | sbk | TheCount: yep, I'm interested in the process address space anyway... what identifies the stack/vs/heap areas in that information? |
| 22:03.29 | sbk | TheCount: and how does thread stack address space show up there? |
| 22:03.59 | *** join/#debian Wyzard (~mike@pcp03799553pcs.malvrn01.pa.comcast.net) |
| 22:04.12 | *** join/#debian nevyn_ (~nevyn@c220-237-153-138.brodm1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 22:04.36 | *** join/#debian Chrischan (~Chrischan@p54BFD4D8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:05.48 | TheCount | sbk: good question ;) |
| 22:05.53 | TheCount | sbk: tried ddd/gdb? |
| 22:06.32 | *** join/#debian aurax (~aurax@bzq-218-44-187.cablep.bezeqint.net) |
| 22:06.36 | aurax | anyone here uses kolab2? |
| 22:06.38 | *** join/#debian karsten (~karsten@o1-dialup-66-81-216-35.rev.o1.com) |
| 22:06.59 | *** join/#debian jujub (fred@154.91.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 22:08.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 858] by debhelper |
| 22:08.32 | sbk | TheCount: oh, hm.. no, haven't tried those. This one might be tricky to snarf with gdb, and not ruin its behaviour [tomcat process, going haywire in interesting ways.] |
| 22:08.44 | *** join/#debian sparr_ (sparr@sparr.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 22:08.48 | *** join/#debian Gozar (~Gozar@0x50a44a3d.arcnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 22:08.57 | *** join/#debian tolecnal_ (~tolecnal@ti121210a080-0266.bb.online.no) |
| 22:09.01 | TheCount | sbk: eek |
| 22:09.01 | nvz | aurax: if you have a specific question related to debian just ask. Don't take usage polls here, you are just wasting your time. kolab2 (whatever that may be) isnt in debian AFAIK, and therfore its unlikely anyone here uses it. |
| 22:09.20 | sbk | TheCount: thanks for the pointers though, it does give a bit more insight even as is, I'll search for more info on the output and what the various numbers really mean [outside of libraries being mapped into memory] |
| 22:09.50 | aurax | nvz = groupware. |
| 22:10.13 | aurax | i would like to know if anyone have experience with opensource groupware servers with windows based clients |
| 22:10.19 | nvz | aurax: there _are_ groupware suites _in_ debian. |
| 22:10.27 | TheCount | aurax: nah, it's a monolitic, statically linked layer 8 process. |
| 22:10.48 | nvz | aurax: try harder, you are getting closer to a specific question |
| 22:10.50 | aurax | nvz, like ? |
| 22:10.53 | aurax | hha |
| 22:10.56 | aurax | u like to be the wiseass :) |
| 22:11.03 | aurax | <3 t3h nerdz ! |
| 22:11.10 | nvz | well at leas now I have an idea about what you are thinking about |
| 22:11.18 | *** join/#debian xirtam (~xir@daemon.nethack.at) |
| 22:11.20 | aurax | :) good |
| 22:11.30 | nvz | I still don't know enough to not be wasting both of our time, without a crystal ball or something to read your mind |
| 22:11.45 | aurax | rofl |
| 22:11.54 | nvz | there is php-groupware is one I can think of off the top of my head |
| 22:12.05 | resiak | !tell aurax about smart questions |
| 22:12.06 | deadcat | how do i use curl or wget to download every links on a webpage? |
| 22:12.21 | ufoalien | deadcat: -m ? |
| 22:12.22 | zinx | deadcat: leech plugin for mozilla/firefox |
| 22:12.24 | *** join/#debian kingsnarf (~KINGSNARF@12-220-134-83.client.insightBB.com) |
| 22:12.25 | nvz | there is also egroupware |
| 22:12.29 | _SerhaT_ | deadcat: wget -r ? |
| 22:12.30 | ufoalien | deadcat: wget -m makes a mirror? |
| 22:12.38 | zinx | deadcat: or for a pure wget solution, wget -r -np or somesuch |
| 22:12.59 | nvz | aurax: egroupware, evolution, phpgroupware.. that seems to be about it in stable |
| 22:13.20 | deadcat | ufoalien: not mirror. just one dir. not entire site |
| 22:13.30 | nvz | I tried once to setup phpgroupware, I was unsuccessful, and not nearly interested enough to figure out why |
| 22:13.35 | *** join/#debian jharrison (~jharrison@24.244.138.224) |
| 22:13.45 | deadcat | ah. -np (= |
| 22:13.45 | petemc | aurax: i tried kolab, it seems ok - works with outlook |
| 22:13.47 | ufoalien | deadcat: man wget! |
| 22:13.53 | aurax | !tell resiak about smart questions |
| 22:13.55 | aurax | fun isnt it |
| 22:14.14 | aurax | petemc can i pm u |
| 22:14.17 | *** join/#debian Eulex (~alex@h31n1fls33o998.telia.com) |
| 22:14.19 | *** part/#debian jujub (fred@154.91.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 22:14.24 | *** join/#debian xLobeznox (~vegan@62.175.86.82) |
| 22:14.30 | *** join/#debian seven_six_two (~fathead@toronto-HSE-ppp4072812.sympatico.ca) |
| 22:14.36 | resiak | aurax: Fuck off, I'm trying to help you get your questions answered more quickly |
| 22:14.42 | aurax | :) |
| 22:14.44 | aurax | <3 u 2 |
| 22:15.12 | Eulex | jim & yazid_work: I got my drive working by enabling ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI in libata.h |
| 22:15.22 | petemc | aurax: bestask in the channel, im no authority on kolab, i set it up and played foor a few hours |
| 22:15.33 | aurax | aight |
| 22:15.40 | seven_six_two | there are 2 dvd torrents for 3.1r0a on the website, do i need them both? are they the same? and is it sarge? |
| 22:15.56 | seven_six_two | binary-1 and binary-2\ |
| 22:17.12 | spencerk | does anyone have any ideas why sarge cd1 wont work on my laptop but will work on other computers? cd2 works fine with it. |
| 22:17.30 | *** join/#debian comfrey_ (~comfrey@h-64-105-87-234.sttnwaho.covad.net) |
| 22:17.48 | spencerk | is there some sort of compatibility issues i dont know about |
| 22:18.05 | *** join/#debian elurin (~elurin@85.105.68.163) |
| 22:18.14 | nvz | aurax: they have a wiki, forum, and mailing lists on their website, and a channel on freenode #kolab as well |
| 22:18.55 | *** join/#debian GiacomoL (~toyg@80-77-243-18.dsl.xifos.net) |
| 22:19.02 | aurax | yeah channel is dead |
| 22:19.05 | nvz | aurax: in other news, you could at least glance at the pacakges actually available in debian, since you seem to like asking questions here |
| 22:19.18 | nvz | not that groupware is a hot topic here or anything |
| 22:19.28 | aurax | are you the channel guardian or what |
| 22:19.37 | aurax | :) |
| 22:19.37 | nvz | got a better chance getting recipies here than groupware help |
| 22:19.43 | Eulex | now I'm confused... fglrx needs X11/extensions/xf86misc.h and X11/extensions/xf86mscstr.h, apt-file locates them in the usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/ directory, and they are part of the xlibs-static-dev package... nonetheless they are not there! |
| 22:19.44 | aurax | eehhe |
| 22:19.51 | nvz | aurax: sad thing is, I am serious |
| 22:19.59 | nvz | cooking is a hot topic |
| 22:20.00 | aurax | let me ask my questions man |
| 22:20.03 | aurax | yes |
| 22:20.07 | aurax | you know how to make potatos? |
| 22:20.09 | ufoalien | Eulex: why not use the fgrlx source and module-assistant? |
| 22:20.12 | aurax | ANYONE KNOWS HOW TO MAKE POTATOS ??? |
| 22:20.15 | aurax | POTATOS ANYONE ? |
| 22:20.22 | *** part/#debian FlopsyPete (~p@host217-35-105-99.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 22:20.22 | aurax | apt-get install potatos |
| 22:20.26 | aurax | yay!!1 |
| 22:20.27 | spencerk | boil water |
| 22:20.31 | aurax | and? |
| 22:20.32 | nvz | potato is obsolete |
| 22:20.33 | spencerk | insert potatoe |
| 22:20.33 | ufoalien | roflmao |
| 22:20.43 | seven_six_two | there are 2 dvd torrents for 3.1r0a on the website, do i need them both? are they the same? and is it sarge? |
| 22:20.43 | aurax | your anus is obolete |
| 22:20.52 | aurax | obsolete even |
| 22:20.55 | nvz | heh |
| 22:21.00 | *** join/#debian BoD_SWAT (~swat@dsl159-68-100.fastxdsl.nl) |
| 22:21.05 | chello | Does anyone know the xmms plug-in name for listenning radios online? |
| 22:21.06 | *** join/#debian derek (~gfdgfdgd@24-113-19-19.wavecable.com) |
| 22:21.11 | Eulex | ufoalien, I'm *running* the scripts from http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 22:21.15 | *** join/#debian phanter (~phanter@g159205.upc-g.chello.nl) |
| 22:21.28 | ufoalien | Eulex: but jo haven't |
| 22:21.29 | nvz | chello: xmms can already without a plugin listen to streams |
| 22:21.31 | ufoalien | to |
| 22:21.37 | *** join/#debian haich (~haich@214.Red-83-45-254.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:21.37 | ufoalien | Eulex: you haven't to |
| 22:21.44 | nvz | chello: it really all depends on what type of stream you are tyring to listen to |
| 22:21.57 | chello | nvz,how about windows media player format,does it works? |
| 22:22.05 | nvz | chello: nope, sure doesnt |
| 22:22.18 | nvz | chello: maybe mplayer with w32codecs |
| 22:22.21 | chello | so whats the plgu-in,if there is one? |
| 22:22.24 | spencerk | how come cd1 isnt being recognized on my laptop? |
| 22:22.28 | phanter | hello, I have here a debian sarge server and a Ubuntu laptop (so it is debian based). Can I mount a disk on my sarge server as it is a local drive or how should I do that (I want to use the music that is on my server)? |
| 22:22.33 | chello | ok ill try |
| 22:22.33 | Eulex | ufoalien, ok, I'll try that |
| 22:22.38 | nvz | chello: xmms can only play mpeg streams afaik |
| 22:22.50 | chello | right |
| 22:22.52 | ufoalien | Eulex: I tried it and it works well |
| 22:23.31 | nvz | phanter: depends on how you are sharing the disk |
| 22:23.42 | Eulex | ufoalien, thing is, I dunno about module-assistent |
| 22:23.55 | *** join/#debian hanaflower (~hana@c-67-171-173-154.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 22:23.58 | nvz | phanter: you could use samba or nfs perhaps |
| 22:24.42 | *** join/#debian mattnz (~matt@69.59.171.132) |
| 22:24.46 | phanter | nvz, I did not share it yet. What is the difference between sambar and nfs and which one would you recommend me |
| 22:24.55 | paulswm | phanter: if you want to mount a directory blonging to your sarge system on your ubuntu box, nfs is the way to go |
| 22:24.55 | chello | nvz,i typed apt-get install mplayer and couldn get this player...is there something wrong with this command? |
| 22:25.02 | nvz | phanter: nfs is easier to setup, but less secure. samba is more secure, and is also compatible with windows clients |
| 22:25.04 | pipeline | phanter: Samba is the Windows filesharing protocol. NFS is the UNIX filesharing protocol. Linux is awful at NFS. Use Samba. |
| 22:25.08 | mattnz | hey, when I run firefox i get this error: |
| 22:25.10 | mattnz | matt@foxtrot:~$ firefox |
| 22:25.10 | mattnz | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 22:25.10 | mattnz | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 22:25.10 | mattnz | (firefox-bin:2202): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 22:25.10 | *** kick/#debian [mattnz!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 22:25.20 | pipeline | nvz: Actually, Samba is much easier to set up, as it works almost out of the box. |
| 22:25.23 | *** join/#debian mattnz (~matt@69.59.171.132) |
| 22:25.31 | pipeline | nvz: "smbpasswd <account>" and you're good to go. |
| 22:25.36 | chello | nvz,i typed apt-get install mplayer and couldn get this player...is there something wrong with this command? |
| 22:25.45 | pipeline | !tell chello about marillat |
| 22:25.48 | stew | chello: mplayer insn't in debian /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 22:25.58 | nvz | pipeline: I think NFS is much easier, you just edit /etc/exports and put in a single line. samba you have to setup users, and shares.. which is much more than a one-liner |
| 22:26.09 | *** join/#debian gfdgfd (~gfdgfd@24-113-19-19.wavecable.com) |
| 22:26.10 | pipeline | nvz: You don't have to set up anything. The canned configuration is fine. |
| 22:26.13 | *** join/#debian leedo (~leedo@nr1-216-196-135-152.fuse.net) |
| 22:26.14 | *** join/#debian elurin (~elurin@85.105.68.163) |
| 22:26.31 | pipeline | nvz: There's also the little problem that Linux NFS is extremely finicky. It requires a substantial amount of tuning and fuckery just to get it to work without hanging or panicking. |
| 22:26.32 | nvz | pipeline: the canned configuration doesnt point to his music |
| 22:26.36 | *** join/#debian Basic2 (~Basic@gatekeeper.real-time.com) |
| 22:26.56 | pipeline | nvz: It doesn't have to, it contains his home directory. Also, gnome can run its own Samba server and share the music directory separately if he has samba installed. |
| 22:26.59 | *** join/#debian toonX (~toonx@10.Red-81-32-81.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:27.06 | gfdgfd | hello |
| 22:27.10 | *** join/#debian michal_ (~michal_@aus134629-3.gw.connect.com.au) |
| 22:27.16 | nvz | pipeline: so maybe his music isnt in his home dir, its a server, not a workstation :P |
| 22:27.22 | *** join/#debian Blissex (~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 22:27.38 | pipeline | nvz: If he can't figure out the dead simplicity of smb.conf, he has no business running a server :P |
| 22:27.40 | nvz | pipeline: my music on my server (also a workstation) is in /srv/samba/guest/Music |
| 22:28.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 848] by debhelper |
| 22:28.12 | nvz | which is also smbguest's home dir.. but thats beside the point |
| 22:28.46 | nvz | chello: yes, and yes |
| 22:28.55 | nvz | chello: one its the wrong package name, two its not in debian |
| 22:29.03 | *** join/#debian difeta (~difeta@c-67-170-40-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 22:29.24 | mattnz | Hey, when I run firefox I get the error : Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! (firefox-bin:2380): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display |
| 22:29.26 | nvz | chello: you will need to add a source in your sources.list for marillat, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:29.38 | mattnz | Why am i getting this error? Its on a newly installed sarge machine. |
| 22:29.46 | nvz | mattnz: either run it in X, or run it as the user who ran X |
| 22:29.59 | *** part/#debian shakraw (~luca@host98-244.pool82186.interbusiness.it) |
| 22:30.04 | *** join/#debian Jussi (~Jussi@port190.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 22:30.10 | gfdgfd | Later all |
| 22:30.11 | michal_ | anyone know what causes a "550 relaying mail to <wherever> is not allowed" error? All I'm trying to do is send an email. Why would I need to explicity "allow" the sending of emaiil to some places? |
| 22:30.13 | nvz | er, logged in for that matter |
| 22:30.22 | mattnz | nvz: I'm trying to run it in X under openbox from the menu but it isn't working |
| 22:30.33 | *** join/#debian FabParma (~chatzilla@host19-125.pool80180.interbusiness.it) |
| 22:31.31 | nvz | mattnz: no idea. how did you see the messages on stdout if you are running it from the openbox menu? |
| 22:32.02 | mattnz | nvz: well i tried running it from the menu but nothing happened so then i tried running it from a terminal window |
| 22:32.31 | clown | michal_: MTA = ... exim4? |
| 22:32.40 | michal_ | clown: no. postfix |
| 22:33.05 | clown | maybe you have configured a smarthost which isn't reachable? |
| 22:33.20 | nvz | mattnz: you opened a terminal from your openbox menu, as the user logged into openbox you ran "firefox" and got that error? |
| 22:33.21 | michal_ | clown: there is no smarthost. |
| 22:33.51 | clown | michal_: I'm running out of options here.... |
| 22:34.08 | mattnz | nvz: yes sir |
| 22:34.23 | *** join/#debian simy (~simy@69.73.83.171) |
| 22:35.01 | phanter | how can I find out the hostname of my laptop? |
| 22:35.04 | *** join/#debian Bols (~bols@123.141-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 22:35.07 | nvz | hostname |
| 22:35.10 | *** part/#debian simoz (~no@adsl-ull-84-5.50-151.net24.it) |
| 22:35.20 | mattnz | nvz: weird? |
| 22:35.25 | nvz | mattnz: yep |
| 22:35.35 | *** join/#debian Stevie[FP] (~whatsit2u@dsl092-226-067.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 22:35.41 | mattnz | annoying :/ |
| 22:35.43 | simy | can i get some help with setting up ndiswrapper it says it cant find the kernel sources, i did apt-get install kernel-sources-4.2.etc... what else do i need? |
| 22:36.09 | *** join/#debian alcy2k (TheLittleW@host-81-191-190-137.bluecom.no) |
| 22:36.13 | nvz | mattnz: you're not the only one http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1710712#post1710712 |
| 22:36.17 | michal_ | this is nuts. I can't find the cause of the relaying being denied :/ is there some sort of destination whitelist? |
| 22:36.20 | stew | simy: you don't need kernel sources, just the kenrel-headers for the running kernel |
| 22:36.23 | michal_ | for postfix |
| 22:36.35 | mattnz | nvz: hrm, i have no web browser to view that |
| 22:36.39 | simy | stew: im sorry but im stupid, lol how do i go about doing that? |
| 22:36.50 | simy | ive been trying to do this for a couple of days now, im just going insane |
| 22:36.52 | clown | simy: have you unpacked the tar.bz2 in /usr/src? And configured it? |
| 22:36.53 | mattnz | nvz: now its doing it for thunderbird as well |
| 22:36.55 | stew | simy: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:37.06 | simy | unpacked what? |
| 22:37.08 | stew | clown: what .tar.bz2? |
| 22:37.55 | nvz | mattnz: yeah well the xlib message says that the authorization you provide, is correct, but doesnt belong to you from what I gather |
| 22:38.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 836] by debhelper |
| 22:38.22 | nvz | mattnz: either that, or you arent the only one using it |
| 22:38.47 | stew | mattnz: maybe try this: "XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority firefox" |
| 22:39.17 | *** join/#debian thingfish (~mark@dialup-4.244.120.87.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) |
| 22:39.26 | simy | ok clown whats the uname -r do, and was i sopposed to put it on that line or afterwords |
| 22:39.27 | simy | ? |
| 22:39.28 | *** part/#debian GiacomoL (~toyg@80-77-243-18.dsl.xifos.net) |
| 22:39.41 | mattnz | i ran that as the user thats logged in "matt" and i got the exact same error |
| 22:39.51 | *** join/#debian overnout (~noname@C3324.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 22:40.03 | sbk | This is probably a stupid question :) is there a way to alter the initial stack_start address for a process? |
| 22:40.06 | stew | simy: uname -r gives the version of the running kernel, so that kernel-headers-$(uname -r) is the name of the package with the headers for the running kernel |
| 22:40.23 | *** join/#debian gadek (~gadek@swan.info.uqam.ca) |
| 22:40.28 | simy | ahhhh |
| 22:40.52 | mattnz | but i can run other apps like xmms |
| 22:41.21 | stew | mattnz: do you have other firefox processes running? |
| 22:41.22 | *** join/#debian agney (~bofh@agney.user) |
| 22:41.27 | *** part/#debian topyli (~juha@dsl-hkigw3pa5.dial.inet.fi) |
| 22:41.30 | *** join/#debian omry (~Omry@IGLD-83-130-33-122.inter.net.il) |
| 22:41.31 | spencerk | how come cd1 isnt being recognized on my laptop? |
| 22:41.43 | *** join/#debian opti (~opti@203-173-59-205.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:41.55 | nvz | mattnz: xmms is not gtk2.0, the others are |
| 22:42.04 | nvz | first thing I notice |
| 22:42.17 | stew | spencerk: becuase you didn't burn it correctly | your cd drive is broken |
| 22:42.21 | mattnz | stew: not that i can see |
| 22:42.28 | mattnz | stew: in ps |
| 22:42.51 | spencerk | stew, neither, cd2 works, and cd1 works on my other computer |
| 22:43.04 | spencerk | is there something about the file format of cd1 or something? |
| 22:43.12 | simy | ok after i apt-get the files how do i put them so i can run fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules |
| 22:43.19 | *** join/#debian FabParma (~chatzilla@host19-125.pool80180.interbusiness.it) |
| 22:43.32 | opti | how do i got to a line number with vi ? |
| 22:43.38 | stew | simy: wait, what are you trying to compile? |
| 22:43.55 | caphuso | opti: <number>G |
| 22:44.00 | simy | uhm ndiswrapper so i can use my linksys wlan |
| 22:44.01 | ecobit | what is the best way to add a user in an install script? |
| 22:44.01 | opti | cheers |
| 22:44.02 | simy | card... |
| 22:44.07 | caphuso | ecobit: adduser |
| 22:44.12 | stew | simy: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 22:44.13 | ecobit | caphuso: okay |
| 22:44.27 | *** join/#debian [-Pi-] (HSorgYves@pi-000001.user) |
| 22:44.46 | FabParma | i get this error: -The following packages have unmet dependencies . Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. - |
| 22:45.09 | simy | owe wow cool thanks stew! |
| 22:45.25 | FabParma | what can i do? |
| 22:45.28 | *** join/#debian somiaj (~jaimos@24-117-146-3.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 22:45.49 | phanter | I just setted up the nfs server and the nfs client, but it does not work. When trying to mount I get the error: mount: server:/media/data failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 22:46.33 | ecobit | what is a -system user? |
| 22:47.00 | spencerk | i have a pentium mmx, thats i386 right? |
| 22:47.07 | *** join/#debian monchy (monchy@S010600e04c400007.ok.shawcable.net) |
| 22:47.25 | *** join/#debian mikey (~mikey@62.240.162.142) |
| 22:47.56 | opti | awesome, i just nuked the contents of /var/lib/dpkg in an early morning typo |
| 22:47.57 | nvz | ecobit: you mean perhaps a --system user? |
| 22:48.18 | ecobit | spencerk: that should be an i586 which i386 is a subset of |
| 22:48.25 | ecobit | nvz: yes |
| 22:48.38 | phanter | oke dumb me I got it to work |
| 22:49.10 | spencerk | ecobit, i want the i386 cd ? |
| 22:49.15 | ecobit | spencerk: yes |
| 22:49.19 | *** part/#debian S0n1 (~dickvigar@200.203.6.36) |
| 22:49.21 | nvz | ecobit: they are users that cannot login, and are for specific tasks, f.e. daemons run as the daemon user, mandb when it updates, runs as mandb |
| 22:49.22 | spencerk | hah thank you |
| 22:49.34 | *** join/#debian elurin (~elurin@85.105.68.163) |
| 22:49.38 | tobz | heh, i hate that |
| 22:49.43 | tobz | you have a brand new cpu |
| 22:49.54 | ecobit | nvz: i want to create a user that an app will run chrooted as. should he be system? also, can i disable password for him? |
| 22:49.56 | tobz | and you are using stuff compiled for the lowest common denominator of the x86 line |
| 22:49.56 | opti | could someone show me what sits in /var/lib/dpg ? |
| 22:50.06 | opti | in #flood |
| 22:50.12 | phanter | I tried to access the nfs-mounted disk, but now I get the error: "bash: cd: Music: Permission denied". I know this has to do with the group/user settings serverside, but how can I add the nfs mount as a group to the Music group? |
| 22:50.25 | opti | so i know what i need to replace due to an errant mv command ;) |
| 22:50.28 | *** join/#debian kevin_ (~kevin@dsl-72-1-219.160.tel-ott.com) |
| 22:50.57 | nvz | ecobit: I am not experienced with such things. you should ask the channel, not me. |
| 22:51.12 | *** join/#debian Nebulous (adam@216.162.202.162) |
| 22:51.15 | *** join/#debian Fawkes_ (~Fawkes@82-37-129-40.cable.ubr01.telf.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 22:51.22 | phanter | I did mount it as rw |
| 22:51.34 | nvz | opti: heh |
| 22:51.36 | Nebulous | Hello. Is there a dpkg command to compare all the executable files with their original packaged versions? |
| 22:51.41 | *** join/#debian alvanson (~alvanson@wnpgmb11dc1-49-176.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 22:51.57 | *** join/#debian BoD_SWAT (~swat@dsl159-68-100.fastxdsl.nl) |
| 22:52.09 | opti | cheers ecobit |
| 22:52.27 | nvz | Nebulous: debsums, md5sums |
| 22:52.31 | *** join/#debian Bols (~bols@123.141-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 22:52.48 | *** join/#debian HSorgYves (HSorgYves@pi-000001.user) |
| 22:52.50 | alvanson | can I ask a sed question in here? |
| 22:52.55 | nvz | nope |
| 22:53.00 | nvz | alvanson: heh, j/k go for it |
| 22:53.04 | alvanson | okay |
| 22:53.07 | *** part/#debian elurin (~elurin@85.105.68.163) |
| 22:53.16 | alvanson | :P how do you get sed to delete a line that matches a certain regexp? |
| 22:53.28 | *** join/#debian ddaa (~ddaa@ordo.xlii.org) |
| 22:53.38 | Nebulous | okay. And is there a setting for locking out a ip from further remote login attempts after x failures? |
| 22:53.38 | difeta | how can i port wardward in ip tables while preserving the source ip address? |
| 22:53.46 | *** join/#debian KintriX (~KintriX@220.Red-83-43-157.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:53.47 | *** join/#debian jmspeex (~jmspeex@idefix.CeNTIE.NET.au) |
| 22:53.55 | nvz | for a minute there I thought I knew the answer to that |
| 22:54.03 | *** part/#debian KintriX (~KintriX@220.Red-83-43-157.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:54.06 | stew | alvanson: sed '/regexp/d' < file |
| 22:54.07 | nvz | then I realized you wanted to remove the whole line, not the matching part |
| 22:54.08 | *** join/#debian [-Pi-] (HSorgYves@pi-000001.user) |
| 22:54.13 | alvanson | stew: aha |
| 22:54.28 | *** part/#debian ddaa (~ddaa@ordo.xlii.org) |
| 22:54.42 | alvanson | stew, thanks... I RTFM'd, but I did not put two and two together IN TFM |
| 22:55.10 | nvz | Nebulous: thats probably part of PAM configuration or whatever auth method in question |
| 22:55.27 | *** join/#debian icyfire0573 (~icyfire@cpe-69-205-160-114.stny.res.rr.com) |
| 22:55.41 | alvanson | excellent |
| 22:55.48 | *** join/#debian Eulex (~alex@h31n1fls33o998.telia.com) |
| 22:56.27 | Nebulous | alright. looking through this server's logs there's hundreds of login attempts from a given ip in any ten minute span... silly that it doesn't block them out after a few failed attempts. |
| 22:56.30 | *** join/#debian pingouin (~pingouin@ALille-251-1-82-27.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:56.48 | nvz | Nebulous: what service are the logging into? |
| 22:56.56 | nvz | trying to login to |
| 22:57.04 | *** join/#debian abrotman (~abrotman@pcp01413775pcs.potshe01.pa.comcast.net) |
| 22:57.19 | Nebulous | and... how does debsums mark it if it's changed? I see it says "OK" if the checksum matches, but the manfile doesn't say what it reports if it doesn't match (for a grep) |
| 22:57.40 | Nebulous | nvz: ssh |
| 22:57.41 | nvz | Nebulous: fuck with something, and you will find out |
| 22:57.48 | nvz | heh |
| 22:57.50 | opti | sound advice |
| 22:57.51 | opti | hehe |
| 22:57.52 | kevin_ | Nebulous: I am glad fo that, I keep forgetting to shut down xchat before tryingmy wireless lol |
| 22:58.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 830] by debhelper |
| 22:58.06 | *** join/#debian comfrey (~comfrey@h-64-105-87-234.sttnwaho.covad.net) |
| 22:58.47 | Nebulous | okay, time to get my ankles wet with pam.d |
| 22:58.56 | *** join/#debian HSorgYves (HSorgYves@pi-000001.user) |
| 22:58.56 | nvz | Nebulous: ssh could be using PAM and if so, you should be able to tell PAM to do what you want |
| 22:59.03 | Nebulous | yes, it is using pam |
| 22:59.32 | nvz | I wouldnt be so sure, without checking /etc/ssh/sshd_config :P |
| 22:59.34 | jethro | Nebulous: http://blog.andrew.net.au/2005/02/17 |
| 22:59.44 | nvz | its optional, not a requirement |
| 22:59.51 | opti | ok i give up, if bulletproof:~# dpkg --configure -a |
| 22:59.51 | opti | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 1236 package `proftpd': |
| 22:59.51 | opti | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.52 | petemc | Nebulous: the worm that causes that uses varied login names, you need to implement somethign else to block it |
| 22:59.55 | opti | oops |
| 22:59.57 | Nebulous | erm, maybe you're right. I was looking at the auth.log |
| 23:00.15 | Nebulous | the cronjobs are running under pam, but ssh isn't |
| 23:00.16 | opti | oh well, yeah, that problem |
| 23:00.19 | *** join/#debian Theoden (~nobody@c-24-23-197-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 23:00.38 | *** join/#debian freedom101 (freedom101@modemcable048.99-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 23:00.42 | Nebulous | well, I'm not interested in blocking by name |
| 23:00.42 | *** join/#debian cue (nobody@jalokivi.netsafir.com) |
| 23:00.44 | Nebulous | but by ip address |
| 23:00.49 | jethro | Nebulous: either disable password auth, or block it with iptables. you can do both of course :) |
| 23:00.54 | abrotman | iptables ? |
| 23:00.56 | jethro | Nebulous: http://blog.andrew.net.au/2005/02/17 |
| 23:00.57 | Nebulous | say, 5 failures from any ip address within 10 minutes, they get blocked for a day |
| 23:01.03 | michal_ | can anyone here resolve debian.nsp.co.nz |
| 23:01.04 | michal_ | ? |
| 23:01.05 | jethro | read that |
| 23:01.17 | nvz | abrotman: thats what he said |
| 23:01.22 | *** join/#debian MorthenS (~morthens@83.228.95.2) |
| 23:01.28 | Fawkes | michal_: 219.88.251.101 |
| 23:01.31 | Nebulous | otherwise I can completely block it out like we did with the database server, it only accepts connections from 3 ip addresses... |
| 23:01.33 | michal_ | fawkes: thanks |
| 23:01.34 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:01.36 | jethro | Nebulous: sshd_config has no such feature. |
| 23:01.47 | abrotman | !captainobvioussmite nvz |
| 23:01.56 | jethro | Nebulous: I mean the dynamic bans. |
| 23:01.56 | Nebulous | it really should, that seems like such a basic feature |
| 23:02.01 | *** part/#debian opti (~opti@203-173-59-205.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:02.05 | abrotman | !captain obvious nvz |
| 23:02.06 | jethro | Nebulous: it's a packet filter's job |
| 23:02.10 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:02.23 | Nebulous | how would a packet filter know if the login was a success or failure? |
| 23:02.35 | abrotman | it doesn't care ? |
| 23:02.40 | *** join/#debian jaime_ (~jaime@81-172-49-97.usuarios.retecal.es) |
| 23:02.45 | jethro | well if you connect multiple times from the same source in less than a minute, chances are it's a bruteforce |
| 23:02.48 | Nebulous | I only want to blacklist a ip if it fails x login attempts |
| 23:02.58 | nvz | oh well, screw you guys, I'm leaving home.. heh |
| 23:02.59 | Nebulous | within y seconds |
| 23:03.06 | jethro | Nebulous: would you mind reading the link I posted ? :) |
| 23:03.13 | *** part/#debian test007 (~fuzzy@c205033.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 23:03.22 | abrotman | jethro: read? .. are you a crazy frenchman or something ? |
| 23:03.29 | Nebulous | i'm trying to :P |
| 23:03.32 | jethro | :) |
| 23:03.32 | nvz | dont waste your time with that ssh worm on me, while I am gone.. I dont even have ssh installed :P |
| 23:03.57 | abrotman | !worm nvz |
| 23:04.08 | *** part/#debian newdebusr (~newdebusr@fundus1lt.med.unc.edu) |
| 23:04.27 | Nebulous | ah, that does make sense jethro |
| 23:04.31 | nvz | actually.. I am not going anywhere.. yet |
| 23:04.40 | nvz | I just realized I have to change clothes |
| 23:04.42 | abrotman | nvz: where's home these days? .. .za ? |
| 23:04.43 | Nebulous | i guess it doesn't matter if they are failed or successful logins, but x login attempts from an ip |
| 23:04.55 | nvz | abrotman: I dont even know where .za is |
| 23:04.57 | *** join/#debian omar_ (~omar@ppp-69-222-86-191.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 23:04.58 | jethro | Nebulous: indeed |
| 23:05.00 | Nebulous | since, obviously, they would only keep trying to log in if they failed |
| 23:05.01 | Fawkes | South Africa. |
| 23:05.01 | abrotman | !za |
| 23:05.02 | dpkg | i heard za is <za> my root password is lmM.sohT , or the Windows mascot. <deadcat> za: sick bastard hehe <Phated> za: Sick bastard. <scarynetworkguy> za: yes yes it was you. BTW DON"T EVER MESSAGE ME AGAIN YOU FUCKHEAD |
| 23:05.10 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 23:05.13 | abrotman | wtf is that |
| 23:05.17 | Nebulous | sometimes I over think / complicate the problem and solution :) |
| 23:05.26 | *** join/#debian comfrey_ (~comfrey@h-64-105-87-234.sttnwaho.covad.net) |
| 23:05.31 | *** join/#debian gfdgfd (~gfdgfd@24-113-19-19.wavecable.com) |
| 23:05.55 | jethro | Nebulous: I looked at different solutions , and this one is the easier to implement :) |
| 23:06.03 | Nebulous | it looks very easy |
| 23:06.10 | abrotman | why is that sick ? |
| 23:06.13 | abrotman | i'm missing something |
| 23:06.43 | Nebulous | okay... i need to... figure out how to edit debian's iptables again. lol, it's been too long, and too many flavors of linux |
| 23:06.55 | *** join/#debian davidcsi (~david@62-14-91-184.inversas.jazztel.es) |
| 23:06.58 | *** join/#debian Mario (~mario_car@201.255.14.104) |
| 23:07.08 | abrotman | someone help me .. why is that sick ? |
| 23:07.08 | nvz | I think I might have actually left without putting pants on.. I had both my shoes on before I realized |
| 23:07.20 | abrotman | nvz: are you back in tx ? |
| 23:07.25 | jethro | Nebulous: you just load roles, then /etc/init.d/iptables save |
| 23:07.25 | nvz | nope |
| 23:07.29 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: You scare me! |
| 23:07.33 | jethro | s/roles/rules/ |
| 23:07.41 | abrotman | resiak: why? |
| 23:07.42 | Nebulous | i don't have /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 23:07.45 | abrotman | why don't i get it ? |
| 23:07.51 | jethro | Nebulous: which version of debian? |
| 23:08.01 | resiak | abrotman: I don't get what that factoind was about... |
| 23:08.07 | Nebulous | 3.1 |
| 23:08.12 | abrotman | resiak: let's ask Phated ! |
| 23:08.17 | abrotman | or deadcat |
| 23:08.20 | tobz | aye |
| 23:08.25 | jethro | Nebulous: do you have iptables installed? :) |
| 23:08.27 | tobz | 3.1 doesn't have the init.d script |
| 23:08.30 | *** join/#debian monchy (monchy@S010600e04c400007.ok.shawcable.net) |
| 23:08.33 | tobz | for iptables |
| 23:08.42 | Nebulous | and... x-chat has an annoying 'feature' where if the first character of a sentence is a number, it converts it into a colour code (but only locally) |
| 23:08.56 | clown | Nebulous: check /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz. |
| 23:09.02 | Nebulous | i'll just try iptables-save and iptables-restore |
| 23:09.07 | resiak | 3 Nebulous: Turn it off? |
| 23:09.10 | abrotman | 2 no |
| 23:09.12 | abrotman | not on mine |
| 23:09.16 | *** join/#debian kevin_ (~kevin@dsl-72-1-219.160.tel-ott.com) |
| 23:09.18 | Nebulous | resiak: I haven't found out where yet. |
| 23:09.31 | stew | 4 read the manpage? |
| 23:09.37 | abrotman | you must have installed the mirc compatibility layer |
| 23:09.46 | *** part/#debian davidcsi (~david@62-14-91-184.inversas.jazztel.es) |
| 23:10.08 | *** join/#debian rethiak (~will@resiak.user) |
| 23:10.24 | Nebulous | no, no mirc compatibility layer option that I can find, or that I have ever enabled |
| 23:10.27 | resiak | 5 Is this true? |
| 23:10.45 | abrotman | 6 not likely |
| 23:10.53 | stew | 7 you should just switch to irssi |
| 23:10.56 | *** join/#debian mfrisch (~mfrisch@cpe-65-27-185-113.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 23:10.59 | rethiak | 8 Nebulous, I don't see any such colouring. |
| 23:11.08 | *** join/#debian Skiver (~DebianLin@218.111.213.185) |
| 23:11.11 | bomex | how do i install a .deb file? |
| 23:11.20 | Fawkes | dpkg -i debfile.deb |
| 23:11.21 | Pryon | dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 23:11.21 | *** join/#debian terje` (~terje@dD5775867.access.telenet.be) |
| 23:11.24 | Nebulous | odd. I wonder why it does it on mine. |
| 23:11.25 | abrotman | bomex: man dpkg |
| 23:11.30 | Pryon | heh |
| 23:11.31 | Nebulous | xchat 2.4.3 |
| 23:11.31 | *** join/#debian nitestarr (~knightsta@cpe-24-33-15-250.midsouth.res.rr.com) |
| 23:11.34 | Nebulous | may 3 2005 |
| 23:11.34 | Eulex | testing |
| 23:11.35 | rethiak | Nebulous, Check the settings! |
| 23:11.35 | stew | !faq bomex |
| 23:11.37 | dpkg | bomex: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:11.38 | mfrisch | Just one quick ? What port does ldap use? |
| 23:11.39 | Nebulous | i did |
| 23:11.46 | Eulex | ^^red text |
| 23:11.54 | Nebulous | I wouldn't have mentioned it if I hadn't attempted to figure it out myself and failed |
| 23:11.59 | michal_ | anyone here running unstable with a debian built 2.6.11 kernel ? |
| 23:12.01 | Pryon | mfrisch: grep ldap /etc/services |
| 23:12.04 | *** join/#debian wobbler (wayne@wobbler.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 23:12.19 | abrotman | michal_: please just ask about your problem |
| 23:12.30 | mfrisch | Pryon services...I could not remember THANKS |
| 23:12.32 | *** join/#debian toonX (~toonx@10.Red-81-32-81.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:12.38 | Fawkes | michal_: I am. On a Sparc. |
| 23:12.41 | michal_ | abrotman: that is the problem. I'm just after the config file in /boot/ |
| 23:12.58 | abrotman | michal_: so download the deb .. and extract it out ? |
| 23:13.37 | michal_ | abrotman: that will take forever on this connection :/ but if nobody is willing ot send it that's fine |
| 23:13.43 | redge- | running sarge, can't mount any cdrw or audio cd, cdr are ok. is it something i am not aware of or is it weird? |
| 23:13.57 | abrotman | michal_: i'm not aware of someplace you can just get it ... |
| 23:14.02 | toonX | i have installed lm_sensors and i have all the appropriate modules loaded, and xsensors too, now how can i actually see the CPU temp? |
| 23:14.06 | abrotman | michal_: how slow is your connection ? |
| 23:14.07 | michal_ | abrotman: in /boot |
| 23:14.15 | abrotman | michal_: yeah .. if you have it installed |
| 23:14.25 | *** join/#debian lachs (~lachs@G029f.g.pppool.de) |
| 23:14.30 | michal_ | abrotman: well it will probably throttle it down to a few kb/s after a moment or two |
| 23:14.34 | *** part/#debian lachs (~lachs@G029f.g.pppool.de) |
| 23:14.42 | *** join/#debian lachs (~lachs@G029f.g.pppool.de) |
| 23:14.44 | michal_ | abrotman: hence the original question.. whether anyone had it installed |
| 23:14.49 | rethiak | redge-, you don't mount audio CDs. |
| 23:14.49 | *** join/#debian gelignite (tbee_bot@p5090C954.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:15.09 | redge- | rethiak, can i doubleclick them? |
| 23:15.22 | michal_ | actually.. would it be in the kernel-patch-debian archive? |
| 23:15.24 | michal_ | the config? |
| 23:15.29 | *** part/#debian lachs (~lachs@G029f.g.pppool.de) |
| 23:15.33 | michal_ | that's significantly smaller |
| 23:15.42 | stew | michal_: i just /msged you a url |
| 23:15.46 | abrotman | michal_: doubt it |
| 23:15.49 | abrotman | stew: you have it?!!? |
| 23:15.55 | abrotman | stew: or you got it from your own system ? |
| 23:15.58 | rethiak | redge-, depends on the filebrowser. |
| 23:15.58 | michal_ | stw: thanks |
| 23:16.12 | redge- | rethiak, how do you call it when you insert a audio cd in the cdrom and you wanna see what's in them? |
| 23:16.13 | stew | abrotman: from my own system |
| 23:16.29 | scytheman | toonX, sensors-detect |
| 23:16.35 | abrotman | stew: 20 miles didn't happen .. other guy bailed after 5 :( |
| 23:16.37 | scytheman | toonX, then run sensors |
| 23:16.55 | stew | abrotman: the bike ride? |
| 23:17.00 | abrotman | stew: yeah :( |
| 23:17.02 | rethiak | redge-, I start my CD ripper. Or rather gnome-volume-manager does it for me. |
| 23:17.04 | stew | abrotman: so you ditched him and finished it without him, right? |
| 23:17.16 | abrotman | stew: i couldn't .. we had taken my car to the beginning point |
| 23:17.20 | stew | ahh |
| 23:17.27 | x^equa|s1 | what's the best way to manage runlevels in debian? |
| 23:17.30 | abrotman | or i would have had to leave him sit there for a few hours :) |
| 23:17.30 | *** join/#debian TheTom (tom@c-b570e353.045-12-6f736c1.cust.bredband.no) |
| 23:17.34 | abrotman | x^equa|s1: update-rc.d |
| 23:17.36 | stew | x^equa|s1: update-rc.d |
| 23:17.43 | abrotman | stupid nick |
| 23:17.47 | rethiak | x^equa|s1, rcconf |
| 23:17.55 | toonX | scytheman i did the sensors-detect, and it did found my chipset , but when running sensors says no sensors found! |
| 23:17.55 | *** part/#debian gfdgfd (~gfdgfd@24-113-19-19.wavecable.com) |
| 23:18.01 | stew | abrotman: i did 35 miles today |
| 23:18.02 | abrotman | rethiak: rcconthf ? |
| 23:18.04 | redge- | rethiak, hmm that doesnt help me much, i wanted to change my sentence so you understand my question. |
| 23:18.05 | x^equa|s1 | thanks |
| 23:18.07 | abrotman | stew: you need a job :) |
| 23:18.10 | stew | i have one |
| 23:18.11 | rethiak | abrotman, thomthing like that. |
| 23:18.29 | scytheman | toonX, strange |
| 23:18.29 | abrotman | stew: apparently you don't work enough ... :) |
| 23:18.30 | rethiak | redge-, I should be asleep, actually. |
| 23:18.40 | abrotman | stew: takes you about what ? 2-3 hours ? |
| 23:18.43 | scytheman | toonX, maybe something is missing |
| 23:18.45 | *** join/#debian renato` (nobody@200-158-247-116.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 23:19.01 | renato` | does the kernel in debian 3.1 supports br2684??? |
| 23:19.09 | redge- | rethiak, do you understand that when i said mounted talking about the audio cd i meant browsing? |
| 23:19.10 | stew | abrotman: today was mostly with a group and we were averaging 22mph |
| 23:19.12 | abrotman | wtf is br2684 ? |
| 23:19.17 | abrotman | stew: freak! |
| 23:19.20 | stew | :) |
| 23:19.22 | abrotman | stew: is it mostly flat ? |
| 23:19.24 | *** join/#debian baroni (~baroni@200-207-141-250.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 23:19.26 | rethiak | redge-, Not entirely, and I need sleep. Sorry. |
| 23:19.32 | renato` | br2684ctl |
| 23:19.43 | redge- | rethiak, no problem have a nice one. |
| 23:19.46 | toonX | scytheman maybe.. |
| 23:19.53 | stew | abrotman: i mostly ride a 3.5 mile loop in the nearby park that has a .5 mile uphill thats not very steep, in a paceline we ride it at 19mph |
| 23:19.59 | toonX | scytheman well , wasn't that important anyway |
| 23:20.01 | *** join/#debian Strife (~pde@aha164.ccs.itd.umich.edu) |
| 23:20.07 | michal_ | i can walk a kilometre at a brisk pace without dying |
| 23:20.21 | abrotman | stew: ah .. gotcha .. that sounds easy enough .. boring .. but easy :) |
| 23:20.26 | Strife | is there a netinstall cd that recognizes sata drives? |
| 23:20.33 | abrotman | Strife: the sarge one |
| 23:20.40 | scytheman | toonX, ok |
| 23:20.53 | michal_ | and i can do 10 pushups! |
| 23:20.54 | Strife | abrotman: it sure as hell didn't seem to... unless the link I found (from the main page, no less) was old as hell |
| 23:21.06 | abrotman | Strife: did you try 2.6 ? |
| 23:21.06 | *** join/#debian vladster (~vladster@d4795190ced01680.session.tor) |
| 23:21.15 | stew | abrotman: i found a nice large social group that keeps it from being boring, and that way I get a lot more riding in than if i try and ride other places since i end up sitting at lights so much |
| 23:21.24 | Strife | abrotman: well seeing as only the kernels "expert" and "expert26" seemed to exist... yes, I did |
| 23:21.33 | redge- | ok let me rephrase my question. you know when you want sound to work on debian you need to add users to the sound grp or something. since i cant browse open mount any cdrw nor audio cds. i was wondering if there were anything like that that refrains users to open these kinda disks by default on debian? |
| 23:21.33 | *** join/#debian HSorgYves (~HSorgYves@pi-000001.user) |
| 23:21.35 | Eulex | weee, I've got both ipw2200 and fglrx working on kernel 2.6.12.1 |
| 23:21.44 | abrotman | Strife: and your controller is ? |
| 23:22.06 | Strife | I'd have to look that up, but I had everything working under ubuntu before it got b0rked |
| 23:22.19 | ecobit | redge-: addgropu <user> audio and cdrom |
| 23:22.36 | abrotman | stew: ah .. gotcha .. we don't really have any places like that .. i have VF park .. which is ok .. but there are lots of other people on the trails .. this other trail would be great .. but it's so far for me to get to the trailhead |
| 23:22.51 | redge- | ecobit, but why do cdr with data work and not cdrws and audio cds? |
| 23:23.02 | abrotman | stew: at least .. none i can think of |
| 23:23.09 | *** join/#debian liquid_ (~hihihihih@liquidweb.demon.nl) |
| 23:23.12 | vladster | I have a question. I did a "modprobe cx8800" and then an "lsmod" and is showed a nine entries for the video capture card. Does that mean the driver had loaded up? |
| 23:23.18 | *** join/#debian Fuzz_ (~t@68-185-194-224.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) |
| 23:23.26 | liquid_ | hi, where does apache2 on sarge keep it's error_log file? |
| 23:23.32 | stew | abrotman: yeah i hear ya. there are great rides around here that all start about 10 miles away, but that first 10 miles takes me > 1 hour in each direction which is more time than i have |
| 23:23.35 | ecobit | redge-: you mean burning? normally you would create another group for that |
| 23:23.35 | abrotman | /var/log/apache/ maybe |
| 23:23.39 | *** join/#debian EfaistOs (~efaistos@m239.net81-64-31.noos.fr) |
| 23:23.45 | abrotman | stew: eep .. |
| 23:23.58 | Guerin | ok, I needs to know about inittab |
| 23:24.00 | michal_ | just ride a treadmill |
| 23:24.08 | abrotman | Guerin: it's a file!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:24.08 | redge- | ecobit, not really, by default i can open cdrs with data on them |
| 23:24.09 | resiak | Guerin: Are you still Gentooing? |
| 23:24.09 | stew | Guerin: man 5 inittab :) |
| 23:24.21 | redge- | ecobit, but i cant do the same with audio cds or cdrws |
| 23:24.26 | redge- | why is that? |
| 23:24.29 | Guerin | thanks guys |
| 23:24.49 | Guerin | resiak: I'm trying to fix my ssh reverse port forwarding |
| 23:24.56 | resiak | Guerin: Eew. |
| 23:25.04 | *** join/#debian somiaj (~jaimos@24-117-146-3.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 23:25.20 | Nebulous | do I need to echo anything into /proc for ip tables? Or is that just for masquerading/nat |
| 23:25.30 | Strife | apparently the one I tried was in fact an old netinstall ISO... I'll try a newer one and see what happens... |
| 23:25.32 | Guerin | i have an inittab line like sshf:12345:respawn:ssh -f -N me@myhost -R 2222:localhost:22, and it just kept connecting and connecting and connecting |
| 23:25.38 | Fawkes | Nebulous: That's just for packet forwarding. |
| 23:25.48 | Guerin | i was under the impression it'd only respawn if it died |
| 23:25.49 | Nebulous | okay, that is what I thought. Wanted to be sure |
| 23:26.01 | michal_ | guerin: why initiate an ssh connection via inittab? |
| 23:26.09 | ecobit | Fawkes: no. there are many switches in /proc that could be relevant for firewalls |
| 23:26.14 | resiak | michal_: Long story |
| 23:26.18 | beardy | redge-: Is your cd-drive old? Older cd-drives can't read cdrw discs, especially if they are not closed, that means, multisession discs. |
| 23:26.24 | Guerin | michal_: the box i'm doing it on is behind a nat and I want to be able to shell into it. |
| 23:26.26 | *** join/#debian ViaD (~ViaD_z@084202071206.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 23:26.27 | michal_ | let me guess.. there's a dumb terminal at the end? |
| 23:26.35 | ecobit | s/switches/sysctls |
| 23:26.37 | Guerin | michal_: if you have a better option, I'd love to hear it |
| 23:26.43 | Nebulous | thank you jethro. This looks like it will work out how I wanted it to, with the whitelisting and all. |
| 23:26.49 | *** join/#debian UbuWu (~UbuWu@h82151173197.dsl.speedlinq.nl) |
| 23:26.52 | Pingu12- | how can I see which processes are responsible for how much iowait ? |
| 23:26.58 | michal_ | guerin: how about writing an init script? at least then YOU control it and not init |
| 23:27.12 | redge- | beardy, its a fairly old yamaha cd burner, BUT this drive was in other box and i was able to use it properly. |
| 23:27.18 | Guerin | michal_: the network is flakey and it does regularly. Hence respawn. |
| 23:27.25 | Nebulous | jethro: if I change the number on the 4th line (the DROP) line, am I correct that it will drop further ssh attempst from that ip for the new value? |
| 23:27.25 | Guerin | s/does/dies/ |
| 23:27.27 | jethro | Nebulous: you're welcome :) |
| 23:27.40 | *** join/#debian kmaster (~kmaster@204-83-48-60.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 23:27.40 | beardy | redge-: What exactly is the problem? |
| 23:27.41 | michal_ | guerin: i'm sure there are programs which can monitor the program they started and respawn it if it dies.. |
| 23:27.45 | Guerin | i considered doing something with cron and ps, but inittab seemed better |
| 23:27.51 | jethro | Nebulous: I'm going to bed, read and you'll know :p |
| 23:27.54 | Guerin | michal_: yeah, init is one of those. |
| 23:28.15 | Nebulous | i'm not certain exactly how it interacts iwth the --hitcount number and the --seconds... i'll try to figure it out |
| 23:28.17 | redge- | ok lets go general so i understand. Is there a restriction on using the cdrom when you install sarge? like do i need to add users to a cdrom grp or some? |
| 23:28.33 | *** join/#debian dgottfried (dgottfried@067.216-123-231-0.interbaun.com) |
| 23:28.34 | Seb | can I somehow in resolv.conf say something like "any *.foo.org name should be resolved by 1.2.3.x, and any other name by 1.2.3.y" ? |
| 23:28.36 | michal_ | guerin: I don't think init has fine grained enough control for this sort of use |
| 23:28.48 | *** part/#debian kmaster (~kmaster@204-83-48-60.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 23:29.22 | Guerin | michal_: so what is respawn supposed to do if not monitor a process and restart it if it dies? That's what the manpage says it does. That's all I want it to do. |
| 23:29.24 | ecobit | Fawkes: sorry. there are many other sysctls that may be relevant to running a firewall, but not to running iptables directly |
| 23:29.29 | michal_ | guerin: how about monit? |
| 23:29.52 | Nebulous | hmm, looks like that iptables completely blocked out any non-whitelisted ip |
| 23:30.12 | stew | Guerin: could it be the fact that the ssh has no tty or somehting? |
| 23:30.13 | redge- | beardy, i can't open any cdrws nor audio cds on sarge. |
| 23:30.14 | *** join/#debian pingouin (~pingouin@ALille-251-1-38-148.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:30.16 | ecobit | redge-: i told you that 10 minutes ago |
| 23:30.29 | Guerin | stew: i'm guessing it's something like that. |
| 23:30.30 | stew | Guerin: or is the -f supposed to make it not care? |
| 23:30.35 | Fawkes | ecobit: No worries. I was thinking firewall/ networking basics stuff anyways and would happily agree that there more in there than just switching on packet forwarding :) |
| 23:30.40 | Guerin | michal_: hrm, monit looks like it should do the trick. |
| 23:30.56 | *** join/#debian ganimatux (~ganimatux@r200-125-8-158-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 23:30.59 | Pingu12- | Anybody knows a tool/method to get information which processes generate how much of the io-wait ? |
| 23:31.07 | Guerin | stew: naw, that means forward, I think |
| 23:31.11 | redge- | ecobit, yes. you did, but for some reason i dontr understand why you told me to add users to cdrom group because i can open cdr data cds and i havent added any users. could you explain please. |
| 23:31.15 | beardy | redge-: Users can not mount the cdrom if they are not part of the cdrom group, and if the cdrom-line in /etc/fstab isn't configured to allow users to mount it. (this is true for woody at least) Make your user part of the group "cdrom", and read 'man 5 fstab' on how to configure it to let users mount the cdrom. |
| 23:31.17 | stew | Guerin: -F is forward, -f is fork i think |
| 23:31.19 | *** join/#debian k1k1 (~k1k1@adsl-200-136.tricom.net) |
| 23:31.22 | Seb | Pingu12-: dtrace :D |
| 23:31.23 | k1k1 | Diplomado GNU/Linux UNICDA? www.codigolibre.org |
| 23:31.31 | beardy | redge-: But your regular user can mount a normal data-cd? |
| 23:31.31 | Guerin | stew: aha. That would explain it. |
| 23:31.32 | michal_ | guerin: looks a lot better featured than the program i was looking for. in fact i'm interested in trying it myself now that i've found it :) |
| 23:31.34 | *** join/#debian sun_ (~sun@natg.math.utah.edu) |
| 23:31.42 | k1k1 | Diplomado GNU/Linux UNICDA? www.codigolibre.org |
| 23:31.44 | *** part/#debian k1k1 (~k1k1@adsl-200-136.tricom.net) |
| 23:31.48 | sun_ | hi wondering what people suggest instead of mplayer? |
| 23:31.52 | ecobit | Fawkes: i was thinking stuff like logging martions, tcp timestamps, icmp echo... |
| 23:31.56 | redge- | beardy, yes. that is the twist. |
| 23:31.56 | Seb | sun_: xine |
| 23:32.01 | michal_ | i love the fact that I can continually find cool new programs just by using apt-cache search |
| 23:32.02 | stew | Guerin: maybe 12345:respawn: strace -o /tmp/ssh.log ssh -f -F blahblahblah |
| 23:32.06 | Seb | sun_: *really* good player |
| 23:32.08 | Nebulous | some day, google's cache will be faster than every website it is cached from. |
| 23:32.11 | Seb | sun_: some people like vlc too |
| 23:32.22 | redge- | i havent add4es any users to any group, and they can browse cdrs with data. |
| 23:32.37 | redge- | the restriction applies to cdrws and audio cds |
| 23:32.38 | *** join/#debian thingfish (~Mark@dialup-4.244.120.87.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) |
| 23:32.44 | redge- | why is that? |
| 23:33.07 | Guerin | stew: yeah -f does mean go to background - which would cause init to spawn another one. |
| 23:33.12 | Pingu12- | Seb: dtrace ? I just know dtrace as a language.. is there a tool named like that ? |
| 23:33.18 | sun_ | thanks seb |
| 23:33.23 | Seb | redge-: for audio, the *device* is accessed directly |
| 23:33.34 | *** part/#debian UbuWu (~UbuWu@h82151173197.dsl.speedlinq.nl) |
| 23:33.49 | Seb | Pingu12-: i was teasing. dtrace on SOlaris owuld let you find out real easily. On linux and other *NIX this is a tough problem. |
| 23:33.53 | redge- | seb, you mean i shouldnt have to add users to cdrom group? |
| 23:33.58 | redge- | for audio cds? |
| 23:34.03 | Seb | redge-: for audio access you should |
| 23:34.09 | Seb | redge-: just give them 'read' though |
| 23:34.09 | kevin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.11 | Pingu12- | Seb: ok :/ |
| 23:34.19 | *** part/#debian kevin_ (~kevin@dsl-72-1-219.160.tel-ott.com) |
| 23:34.28 | redge- | seb, ok is it the same for data cdrws? |
| 23:34.39 | *** join/#debian aero (~aero@d141-178-53.home.cgocable.net) |
| 23:34.39 | beardy | redge-: Then it can be either, your cdrom doesn't support cdrw:s, or perhaps the wrong driver is used for it, but that is probably not it. |
| 23:34.44 | Seb | redge-: no |
| 23:34.48 | phogg | Pingu12-: you could try kprobes |
| 23:34.54 | redge- | hm |
| 23:35.09 | intension | eya |
| 23:35.10 | redge- | cdrom does support cdrws.. |
| 23:35.11 | *** join/#debian Disp (~sean@dsl093-040-143.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 23:35.18 | Seb | redge-: maybe like beardy said, your drive has trouble with cdrws. Can root access their content (data cdrws) ? |
| 23:35.23 | Strife | brb |
| 23:35.31 | Pingu12- | phogg: thx, ill stick on that for a while |
| 23:35.32 | intension | if freenode needs money , they can advertise in the channels |
| 23:35.36 | phogg | Pingu12-: and I think oprofile is good for that kind of thing... but I'm guessing |
| 23:35.44 | *** join/#debian Strife (~pde@arkanoid.gpcc.itd.umich.edu) |
| 23:36.01 | beardy | redge-: Try to mount a cdrw as root, and make sure the disc is correctly burned and readable in other machines. |
| 23:36.07 | intension | straight through all the scrolling text they post some random commercials |
| 23:36.12 | redge- | seb, unless linux is responsible i know for sure its not the drive as i already have burned and read cdrws with it. |
| 23:36.13 | Strife | anyone know offhand how to burn iso images on a mac? |
| 23:36.22 | toonX | hey , is marillat down ? apt-get update after adding the marillat repository says Server refused our connection and said: Too many connections |
| 23:36.30 | *** join/#debian Talnakh (~Talnakh@217.22.178.169) |
| 23:36.33 | Seb | redge-: make sure you answer my questions, mate: can root access data on cdrws ? |
| 23:36.45 | mwilson | Strife: With any one of the umpteen applications available for it, including the ones the Mac comes with? |
| 23:36.47 | EfaistOs | does sarge come with a 2.6 kernel by default ? |
| 23:36.52 | Talnakh | yes |
| 23:36.57 | Seb | Strife: hdiutil burn |
| 23:37.01 | Strife | mwilson: right, the thing is, I don't know which ones come with it :P |
| 23:37.01 | redge- | seb, lemme try |
| 23:37.05 | Strife | Seb: thanks |
| 23:37.05 | Phated | abrotman: About what? |
| 23:37.06 | renato` | but it install 2.4 by default |
| 23:37.10 | Seb | Strife: `and why the fuck would you be asking here and not in #mac or #mac-dev ? |
| 23:37.14 | Seb | #macdev |
| 23:37.30 | phogg | renato`: this "defalt" of which you speak confuses and frightens me |
| 23:37.38 | phogg | er, default I mean. |
| 23:37.38 | abrotman | Phated: /msg dpkg za |
| 23:37.41 | mwilson | Or #macosx, or one of the other ones. |
| 23:37.42 | Strife | Seb: because I'm trying to fix my laptop by reinstalling debian, and the other computer I'm on is a mac in the computer lab :P |
| 23:37.48 | Phated | abrotman: Not a clue. Don't veen remember it. |
| 23:38.01 | mwilson | Strife: So? |
| 23:38.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 819] by debhelper |
| 23:38.05 | jair | do you guys know if gnomemeeting will allow me to do hpone calls through to speak using voip with other linux machine> |
| 23:38.06 | renato` | phaethon, if you don't change anything, it installs kernel 2.4 |
| 23:38.06 | jair | ? |
| 23:38.06 | Seb | Strife: so, I'll ask again, why not ask in #macosx or #mac or #macdev ? |
| 23:38.20 | renato` | opz |
| 23:38.22 | Strife | Seb: because this is convenient |
| 23:38.25 | renato` | phogg, if you don't change anything, it installs kernel 2.4 |
| 23:38.31 | Seb | Strife: ah, you just one point there |
| 23:38.35 | Seb | lost* |
| 23:38.40 | ecobit | jair: it uses h323 |
| 23:38.42 | Talnakh | EfaistOs, when intalling from debian cd on boot type expert, u ll get a chance to select a lot of extra options as well as kernel |
| 23:38.51 | jair | I am thinking in use skype bot do not appear on the apt-? |
| 23:38.59 | beardy | Strife: Insert a blank disc, and a burning program should pop up, shouldnät it (guessing). |
| 23:39.09 | jair | ecobit, what is h323? |
| 23:39.12 | Seb | Strife: the correct asnwer was "you're right, Iwon't do it again. That was really kind of you to tell me, by the way". |
| 23:39.26 | Seb | beardy: not convenient enough I guess |
| 23:39.46 | Strife | Seb: oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that in this channel, rather than people saying "see whatever" or ignoring a question, they go on a 5 minute rant |
| 23:39.53 | Strife | whoops, I mean "Iwon't do it again" |
| 23:40.12 | Seb | Strife: mwilson does that. Note that I answered you dead-off-topic question. |
| 23:40.25 | jair | anyone here has been using skype? |
| 23:40.40 | *** join/#debian mdh (~matthew@intology-gw2.intology.com.au) |
| 23:40.47 | jair | or any other application I can use to speak "over IP" with other linux users? |
| 23:40.47 | Strife | Seb: and I appreciate that. I apologize if I have offended you by asking a non-Debian question. Now let's move on with life. |
| 23:41.01 | beardy | jair: Probably. /msg dpkg ask |
| 23:41.01 | ecobit | let's not. hehe |
| 23:41.02 | *** join/#debian snunez (snunez@r200-125-39-71-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 23:41.05 | jair | I need to speak with some LUG in venezuela |
| 23:41.11 | jair | beardy, ok |
| 23:41.33 | *** join/#debian gpd (~gpd@www.grahamdavies.net) |
| 23:41.41 | mwilson | Seb: Not that 5 seconds of google wouldn't have told him what he wanted to know, of course. |
| 23:41.58 | *** join/#debian [-Pi-] (HSorgYves@pi-000001.user) |
| 23:42.42 | *** join/#debian carlos-d-man (~carlos@201.135.87.134) |
| 23:42.49 | jair | ecobit, it is a proxy that have to be set up? |
| 23:42.58 | ecobit | does it bother anyone that "google" has become synonymous with "find data in the Internet"? |
| 23:43.01 | Seb | mwilson: we both knew that already :> |
| 23:43.09 | sbk | What's the command to print the list of attached shared memory segments (sysV) for a process? shmsomething... *drawing a blank* |
| 23:43.09 | mwilson | toonX: Where would you get the idea that the Marillat repository was down, versus it telling you that there were too many connections, like the message said? |
| 23:43.11 | abrotman | ecobit: kartoo.com! |
| 23:43.14 | Strife | as did I |
| 23:43.16 | Strife | so once agai |
| 23:43.19 | *** join/#debian Gozar (~Gozar@0x50a44a3d.arcnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 23:43.20 | *** join/#debian aFlag (~uno@201.19.53.218) |
| 23:43.23 | mwilson | toonX: Other than that you didn't bother to read the message, of course. |
| 23:43.25 | Strife | again*, MY BAD |
| 23:43.33 | aFlag | is there a debian way to add a new window manager to gdm list? |
| 23:43.41 | gpd | just just wasted 5 hours of my life trying to find why smtp/sasl had broken... found the cause to be deborphan considering libsasl2-modules-sql to be an orphan :-( |
| 23:43.53 | Strife | aFlag: most of the ones that you install with apt should get added to it |
| 23:44.05 | redge- | Seb, being root in terminal i can cd to cdrom and dir (ls) a data cdr, still having problem to do the same when inserting a audio cd or cdrw. |
| 23:44.08 | ecobit | abrotman: what is that? a meta search that uses google as a backend? |
| 23:44.09 | mwilson | aFlag: "Debian" way? If that window manager doesn't provide a session file for gdm, write one. |
| 23:44.12 | aFlag | evilwm doesn't :( |
| 23:44.19 | mwilson | Strife: Many don't. |
| 23:44.21 | abrotman | ecobit: not that i'm aware .. try it .. requires flash afaik |
| 23:44.26 | aFlag | hum |
| 23:44.35 | Strife | mwilson: I know, but all the good ones do |
| 23:44.41 | Seb | redge-: you'll never 'ls' and audio CD, forget it. THose are not mountable. |
| 23:44.48 | mwilson | Strife: I'm sure you think so. |
| 23:44.56 | Seb | redge-: no, what happens when you try to *mount* a data cdrw ? |
| 23:44.57 | redge- | seb, okay |
| 23:45.02 | Strife | mwilson: you know who you sound like? Eliza |
| 23:45.04 | Seb | s/no/now/ |
| 23:45.16 | *** join/#debian FieldySnuts (boqUgTdWUu@fieldysnuts.user) |
| 23:45.20 | liquid_ | hi I get this error: [Tue Jun 28 01:35:32 2005] [error] server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting |
| 23:45.24 | liquid_ | apache2 on sarge |
| 23:45.29 | redge- | seb, hangon |
| 23:45.35 | liquid_ | what should I do and how? |
| 23:45.38 | FieldySnuts | liquid_: with even a basic use of your brain, you can figure that out. |
| 23:45.43 | FieldySnuts | try google first |
| 23:45.45 | Seb | heh, Strife's pretty right on this mwilson remark. Any one wanna qotd it ? :> |
| 23:45.56 | FieldySnuts | Seb: i missed it, anything good? |
| 23:46.02 | liquid_ | ok |
| 23:46.03 | Seb | 16:45:15 Strife | mwilson: you know who you sound like? Eliza |
| 23:46.20 | Seb | prompted by 16:45:01 mwilson | Strife: I'm sure you think so. |
| 23:46.32 | FieldySnuts | guess i don't get it |
| 23:46.53 | Seb | pasting them in the right order would have helped I guess |
| 23:47.03 | Seb | FieldySnuts: you know Eliza, the chatbot ? |
| 23:47.10 | redge- | Seb, mount: can't find cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 23:47.17 | FieldySnuts | nah |
| 23:47.27 | stew | M-x doctor |
| 23:47.34 | beardy | Seb: Tell me how you feel about pasting them in the right order. |
| 23:47.35 | Seb | redge-: well, you seem to be having serious issues there. How are you then able to mount data cdrs ? |
| 23:47.36 | Strife | oh and Seb and mwilson, I apologize for my insolence... I'm just in one of those moods today... no offense is meant of course |
| 23:47.42 | Seb | beardy: :D :D |
| 23:47.46 | mwilson | Telling the OP that most window managers should add a session file is useless when the one he wants to use does not. |
| 23:47.48 | *** part/#debian ganimatux (~ganimatux@r200-125-8-158-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 23:47.54 | Seb | true |
| 23:48.00 | *** join/#debian carles (carles@220.84.59.121) |
| 23:48.06 | Seb | FieldySnuts: if you use emacs, do what stew said |
| 23:48.09 | redge- | seb, well there is the weirdness, i'm happy i'm not the only one finding this weird. |
| 23:48.17 | FieldySnuts | which i don't |
| 23:48.18 | Seb | redge-: answer the question |
| 23:48.27 | redge- | oh |
| 23:48.31 | Seb | FieldySnuts: then this fine joke is just lost on you, I take it |
| 23:48.38 | FieldySnuts | yeah like i said heh |
| 23:48.45 | redge- | Seb, i dont mount them i dir them. |
| 23:48.52 | mwilson | Of course, it also begs the question of why you'd want to use a broken pseudo-standard like gdm session files in the first place. |
| 23:49.00 | redge- | Seb, why can i dir cdr and not cdrw? |
| 23:49.07 | Seb | redge-: a cdrom cannot be listed if it's not mounted, mate |
| 23:49.26 | Seb | redge-: so you *think* you can list cdrs, but since you can't mount them, I'm telling you right now, you don't |
| 23:49.29 | mwilson | Or gdm at all, for that matter. :) |
| 23:49.40 | *** part/#debian gpd (~gpd@www.grahamdavies.net) |
| 23:49.42 | Seb | heh |
| 23:49.46 | *** join/#debian icyfire0573 (~icyfire@cpe-69-205-160-114.stny.res.rr.com) |
| 23:49.51 | beardy | redge-: Please do what Seb asks. Be root, _mount_ a CD-RW that works. Change directory to where you mounted it. List the content using ls. Then tell us it it works. |
| 23:50.06 | beardy | if |
| 23:50.15 | Seb | beardy: he has never successfully mounted a cdrom so far, I'd say :\ |
| 23:50.19 | abrotman | ecobit: did you try it ? |
| 23:50.25 | redge- | seb, please |
| 23:50.31 | Seb | redge-: grep cd /etc/fstab |
| 23:50.35 | Seb | redge-: please what ? |
| 23:50.38 | liquid_ | uhm raising the maxclient for apache won't really solve the problem FieldySnuts |
| 23:50.53 | liquid_ | http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum92/3722.htm |
| 23:51.06 | redge- | seb, i opened the cdrom tray, opened terminal, su, root, cd .. and cd cdrom and dir. it worked with data cdr but not on cdrw. |
| 23:51.12 | abrotman | liquid_: how far did you raise it ? |
| 23:51.15 | *** join/#debian liable_ (~linux@dialup-125.120.221.203.acc02-apli-cai.comindico.com.au) |
| 23:51.27 | *** join/#debian omniscient (~omni@d211-31-230-97.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 23:51.30 | FieldySnuts | liquid_: I don't really know anyway, i thought it was just an extremely obvious answer. also depends which worker you're using. |
| 23:51.38 | Seb | redge-: if you didn't mount the cdrom, you couldn't list it. Maybe you have an automounter running. But something tells me you don't kow about that |
| 23:51.57 | Seb | redge-: now type the grep command i gave you |
| 23:52.07 | liquid_ | FieldySnuts worker? |
| 23:52.08 | redge- | seb, okay |
| 23:52.21 | Seb | redge-: also note, real UNIX man run 'ls', not 'dir' |
| 23:52.25 | Seb | s/man/men/ |
| 23:52.32 | Strife | ew, dir |
| 23:52.39 | redge- | Seb, okay |
| 23:52.46 | redge- | Seb, here : grep cd /etc/fstab |
| 23:52.54 | beardy | redge-: You can not just "cd" to the /cdrom without mounting it first. You mount a cd with the 'mount' program. Read it's manual to find out how it works. 'man mount' Basically you do like this 'mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom'. |
| 23:53.02 | EfaistOs | why sometimes when i plug my usb key it's under /dev/sda1 and sometimes under /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 23:53.05 | redge- | Seb, here : /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 23:53.25 | Seb | redge-: so insert your cdrw, and mount /media/cdrom0 |
| 23:53.39 | redge- | seb i understand, but i never mounted it, but as i say i can list it, dont ask me why i just can |
| 23:53.54 | redge- | Seb, okay |
| 23:53.57 | Seb | redge-: also, remove "iso9660" and put "auto" instead |
| 23:54.21 | *** join/#debian unome (~unome@ool-4351821f.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:54.43 | Seb | redge-: do that for me: remove all CDs from the drive, and ls /cdrom; do you see your files ? |
| 23:54.55 | *** join/#debian err0rr (~err0rr@err0rr.user) |
| 23:55.08 | err0rr | is it safe to dist-upgrade stable debian ? |
| 23:55.11 | mdh | who would like to sponsor me to walk across the other side of the room, smack the moronic Windoze programmer upside the head, and tell him 'the problem isn't MySQL, it's YOU' ? |
| 23:55.18 | redge- | seb, hangon i nanoing the fstab file to replace iso with auto |
| 23:55.30 | err0rr | installing a new dpkg package wont break it will it ? |
| 23:55.31 | mdh | I fucking hate working for and with these clowns |
| 23:55.32 | mwilson | err0rr: Why would you need to? What would it accomplish? |
| 23:55.38 | beardy | mdh: Why do you need a sponsor? |
| 23:55.47 | err0rr | mwilson: just keeping up to date ... |
| 23:55.48 | mdh | beardy: I'd like to eat next week ;) |
| 23:56.01 | beardy | mdh: :) |
| 23:56.10 | Seb | mdh: note that mysql does suck donkey ass, though |
| 23:56.17 | Seb | :> |
| 23:56.29 | FieldySnuts | trol |
| 23:56.32 | mwilson | err0rr: Since stable doesn't change, exactly what are you keeping up to date? |
| 23:56.47 | Seb | FieldySnuts: i'm just saying, the moronic windoze programmer does have a feeble point |
| 23:56.51 | Nebulous | mysql is getting better, slowly. but postgresql has been better for a while. |
| 23:56.58 | Seb | Nebulous: agreed |
| 23:57.02 | Nebulous | until you get into the real huge data requirements |
| 23:57.12 | Nebulous | then you really should be looking at db2 or oracle |
| 23:57.13 | err0rr | mwilson: i think the new stable got pushed out fairly recently |
| 23:57.23 | mdh | this particular one gets paid almost twice as much as I do, yet I've caught him twice with his hands inside one of my servers where they shouldn't be, attempting to plug an IDE CD-ROM into a U2W bus |
| 23:57.24 | *** join/#debian seldon (~Oxdeadbee@dsl-084-059-150-230.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:57.28 | redge- | seb, okay edited the file. do i mount media/cdrom firast or do i try your thingy about removing all cds from the trays and list them? |
| 23:57.41 | Nebulous | stable does change though, security updates and fixes |
| 23:57.42 | Seb | redge-: the second one first please |
| 23:57.59 | *** join/#debian arafat (~arafat@p54981DBA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:58.05 | redge- | i think i might know what you mean, you mean if i have had mounted it it would stay right? hangon |
| 23:58.13 | *** join/#debian Vladi_here (~chatzilla@221.210.28.166) |
| 23:58.20 | mdh | and every time he has a problem with something open-source, he bitches and moans like its the end of the world and its "obviously a problem with the OSS thing" |
| 23:58.34 | Nebulous | I should make a server-paranoia package. completely blockade every ip attempt except for user specified ip/port combos. |
| 23:59.00 | redge- | seb, you wanted me to ls it or mount it? |
| 23:59.02 | Fawkes | Hmm... like a firewall? |
| 23:59.09 | Nebulous | yes. apt-get install paranoid |
| 23:59.09 | redge- | ls dont woprk now that the cds are out of the tray |
| 23:59.24 | Seb | redge-: remove all CDs, and just do ls on the same dir where you saw your files earlier... |
| 23:59.36 | FieldySnuts | mdh: yeah i have somebody similar at work, win guy. he fucked with samba on a machine that is my responsibility and not his, and he immediately blamed open source and linux cliaming the windows servers stay up longer. which was total BS, the linux machine had been up 8 months, the windows servers crash or needed rebooting weekly or more. |
| 23:59.37 | redge- | seb, yep not working |
| 23:59.41 | redge- | seb, just did it |
| 23:59.51 | Seb | redge-: k, now do the first one |
| 23:59.53 | beardy | mdh: and nothing you do can probably change him, get good locks for your boxes. |
| 23:59.55 | FieldySnuts | mdh: first they ignore you, then they fight you, then you win |
| 23:59.56 | redge- | seb, okay |
| 23:59.59 | FieldySnuts | or something like that. |
