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| 00:00.53 | FieldySnuts | apt: fartfish? |
| 00:00.54 | apt | ACTION farts in fieldysnuts's face |
| 00:00.56 | Nebulous | i'm scared of any server with > 6 months uptime, because that means it hasn't been patched :P |
| 00:00.56 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 00:01.03 | Nebulous | usually. |
| 00:01.07 | Seb | heheh |
| 00:01.08 | FieldySnuts | Nebulous: yep, agreed. |
| 00:01.18 | Nebulous | but I was in charge of a novel machine that had 3 years of uninterrupted uptime |
| 00:01.21 | FieldySnuts | i hadn't had any kernel security issues, so.. whatever |
| 00:01.28 | FieldySnuts | yeah those damn novel servers stay up forever |
| 00:01.29 | Nebulous | I had to take it down for y2k, just in case. |
| 00:01.39 | FieldySnuts | <- CNA |
| 00:02.02 | mdh | I loved Netware |
| 00:02.04 | tobz | heh |
| 00:02.09 | tobz | you don't have to reboot to patch a server |
| 00:02.14 | mdh | it would happily do whatever you told it |
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| 00:02.22 | Nebulous | yeah, only problem I had with it was that I really didn't know how to do anything on it, lol. We were still using it because the company was using some old paradox database that needed row level locking, and windows networking filesystem didn't provide that |
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| 00:02.33 | redge- | seb, ok now i can see (ls) the file using root aftrer i mounted it. |
| 00:02.52 | bucky | openserver had a really good shell |
| 00:03.00 | Seb | redge-: good, so now oyu know: *mount* CDs before trying to access them |
| 00:03.03 | mdh | you'd have some network-unaware application that wasn't meant to work shared, and it just would |
| 00:03.07 | redge- | seb, letme unmount it and you will se i will insert a cdr one and will be able to ls it without having to mount it. |
| 00:03.18 | redge- | seb, hangon |
| 00:03.25 | Seb | redge-: wrong. Even if it's not you, as I said, something is mounting it |
| 00:03.37 | redge- | why doesnt it mount cdrw then? |
| 00:03.40 | Seb | redge-: you can verify it by issuing 'mount' and looking for a cdrom line |
| 00:03.44 | relb1 | is there a way to configure dhcpd to set the option domain-name-servers to whatever is in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 00:03.51 | Seb | FieldySnuts: much appreciated :) |
| 00:04.03 | mwilson | relb1: What would be the point of that? |
| 00:04.27 | relb1 | mwilson: router on a cable modem doing IP masquerade. |
| 00:04.36 | tobz | just set them manually |
| 00:04.41 | mwilson | relb1: I reiterate, what would be the point of that? |
| 00:04.44 | tobz | they shouldn't be changing much anyways |
| 00:04.50 | redge- | seb, what you mean is that i have something that mounts cdr but not cd audio nor cdrw? that thing does it automatically when i insert the media and unmount it autop after i eject it? |
| 00:05.08 | redge- | Seb, that same thing is not doing that when i insert a cdrw or an audio cd? |
| 00:05.10 | Nebulous | now I just need to write a mail filter that will block emails based on attempts to send to n non-existant addresses within y seconds... |
| 00:05.12 | Seb | redge-: most likeyl. Stop guessing and run the experiment Igave you. |
| 00:05.18 | relb1 | they change over a number of years, and I'd rather not hav eto remember |
| 00:05.20 | Seb | redge-: and fucking forget audio Cds, those don't get mounted |
| 00:05.23 | Nebulous | my idea for a new spam filter :) |
| 00:05.25 | mwilson | relb1: Run something like dmsmasq on the router and let the clients use it, as they should. |
| 00:05.27 | redge- | seb lol sorry |
| 00:05.32 | Seb | how many fucking times does one have to repeat things for chris' sake |
| 00:05.44 | redge- | seb, i dont get what _issuing_ means. |
| 00:05.46 | tobz | djbdns is good too, cache requests too |
| 00:05.56 | Seb | redge-: typing, running |
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| 00:06.05 | bucky | relb1, uncomment the apropriate lease lines in /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 00:06.07 | FieldySnuts | too bad it uses daemontools, makes it lame |
| 00:06.08 | mwilson | djbdns is good for what? |
| 00:06.15 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: annoying admins |
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| 00:06.24 | mdh | mwilson: printing out the source code and burning ;) |
| 00:06.30 | FieldySnuts | fuck, daemontools is the most annoying shit i have ever dealt with |
| 00:06.34 | tobz | dunno |
| 00:06.37 | Nebulous | does anyone know if that has been tried before, as a mail/spam filter? |
| 00:06.40 | tobz | djbdns sped up my dns requests quite a bit |
| 00:06.48 | Seb | now, maybe 10 years would be too much |
| 00:06.48 | relb1 | mwilson: dnsmasq looks promising, thanks |
| 00:06.50 | FieldySnuts | Seb: troll |
| 00:06.51 | beardy | redge-: No, he means that wheiter you mount it by typing or not, it gets mounted by something else. CD-drives, harddrives, and others always get mounted before you can use them. Either by you, or by some script or program. |
| 00:06.54 | Seb | maybe he got angry say 5 years ago |
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| 00:07.12 | FieldySnuts | Seb: maybe not, maybe so. who cares? /ignore if you really have a problem |
| 00:07.17 | redge- | Seb, /dev/scd0 on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 00:07.22 | Seb | redge-: so it's mounted |
| 00:07.30 | mdh | I look at this 60 line window and see half the lines start with <Seb> |
| 00:07.30 | liquid_ | apache2 keeps doing weird stuff on sarge: [Tue Jun 28 02:05:01 2005] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 00:07.44 | redge- | hang on i havent unmount it |
| 00:07.48 | FieldySnuts | perhaps ask #apache ? |
| 00:07.48 | mdh | I thought I joined #debian not #seb ;) |
| 00:07.53 | Seb | heh |
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| 00:08.31 | Supaplex | !feed Nebulous spam |
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| 00:08.36 | redge- | seb, how do i unmount the cdrom? |
| 00:08.45 | Seb | redge-: umount /media/cdrom0 |
| 00:08.45 | tobz | spam a feeding.. |
| 00:08.46 | tobz | nice ^^ |
| 00:08.48 | Nebulous | i get enough spam, Supaplex |
| 00:08.53 | redge- | Seb, thx |
| 00:08.58 | FieldySnuts | bloody vikings |
| 00:08.58 | Supaplex | then change your diet |
| 00:08.59 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 00:09.06 | Seb | redge-: now, you do run debian, right ? |
| 00:09.09 | bucky | liquid_, are you using mod_python or anything with apache2 / |
| 00:09.14 | redge- | seb, yes |
| 00:09.20 | mwilson | SNMP requests, that is... |
| 00:09.22 | Nebulous | about... i think it was nearly 10,000 spams a day. For a company that now has 8 employees. |
| 00:09.24 | redge- | Seb, it worked |
| 00:09.26 | Supaplex | printer? |
| 00:09.27 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: probably infected with some bullshit |
| 00:09.27 | mdh | FieldySnuts: remember... rape, pillage, *then* burn |
| 00:09.36 | Seb | redge-: dpkg -l autofs |
| 00:09.37 | redge- | Seb, so basically now my cdrom is umounted |
| 00:09.48 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: But SNMP? |
| 00:09.49 | FieldySnuts | home doesn't even come with snmp anything by default, so something or someone added that |
| 00:09.58 | FieldySnuts | yeah. that's irritating. can you get details of it's requests? |
| 00:10.14 | mwilson | Yeah, I'll have to capture some. |
| 00:10.26 | liquid_ | bucky yes mod_python |
| 00:10.31 | FieldySnuts | i'd be interested in the results, ethereal would make browsing the details easier |
| 00:10.35 | redge- | seb, no package found, do i need to apt-get it? |
| 00:10.40 | FieldySnuts | i like network forensics and crap |
| 00:10.42 | mwilson | I'm ssh'd into it from home tcpdump-ing the internal interface just for something to do. |
| 00:10.52 | Seb | redge-: i was curious if this was what was automounting your cds |
| 00:10.58 | Seb | redge-: using sarge ? |
| 00:10.59 | redge- | oh i see |
| 00:11.02 | redge- | sarge yes |
| 00:11.12 | Seb | !find autofs sarge |
| 00:11.14 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'autofs' (3): autofs ;; autofs-hesiod ;; autofs-ldap. |
| 00:11.32 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: I know there are machines inside the firewall infected with a variety of... stuff. |
| 00:11.32 | Seb | redge-: so dpkg -l autofs should have produced a line, I believe, even if it's not installed |
| 00:11.33 | redge- | seb, if i insert a data cdr you say it is going to be mounted auto, could we know what mounted it? |
| 00:11.45 | Seb | redge-: we're trying that right now :) |
| 00:11.45 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: they're windows systems. it's a given. |
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| 00:11.53 | redge- | seb, No packages found matching autofs. |
| 00:12.02 | mdh | cow-orkers problem was he had written a hardcoded file path, and his database problem was that that path was invalid on the remote machine he was working on |
| 00:12.02 | bucky | liquid_, i had that untill i replaced apache2-mpm-prefork with apache2-mpm-worker |
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| 00:12.09 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: i work with all kinds of shit like that, thankfully 85% or more of our clients on the lan are thing clients |
| 00:12.09 | redge- | seb, dont we have to insetr a cdr first so it mounts? |
| 00:12.16 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: before that it was a nightmare |
| 00:12.21 | Seb | people, how can a sarge box say 'No packages found matching autofs', when the package *is* in sarge ? |
| 00:12.24 | FieldySnuts | thin. |
| 00:12.26 | Seb | redge-: nah, no need |
| 00:12.42 | redge- | people |
| 00:12.50 | redge- | :-) |
| 00:12.52 | Seb | mdh: heheheh |
| 00:12.52 | mdh | you really don't want to hear the workaround he's proposing |
| 00:12.59 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: It's weird... this Home box arps for the server, finds the server, then immediately tries the SNMP request. |
| 00:13.02 | Seb | mdh: i can already guess :D |
| 00:13.09 | mdh | it's not debian related anyway... I just needed to vent |
| 00:13.11 | mdh | sorry |
| 00:13.24 | Seb | mdh: touch /C:\\foo\\thefile.txt ? :D |
| 00:13.25 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: the server being the default gateway? |
| 00:13.25 | redge- | seb, i have sarge since it wasnt stable |
| 00:13.32 | liquid_ | bucky well uhm how do I know which one of those I have? |
| 00:13.34 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: yeah. |
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| 00:13.52 | FieldySnuts | sounds like windowsism bullshit to me. got any details on that stuff? |
| 00:14.06 | bucky | liquid_, dpkg -la |grep apache2-mpm |
| 00:14.06 | FieldySnuts | like what mibs etc it's trying |
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| 00:14.12 | redge- | seb, i dont get it, if i insert the cdr soomething will auto mount it, cant we from there see what is doing it? |
| 00:14.24 | liquid_ | bucky I think I have none of those two |
| 00:14.26 | Seb | redge-: no, this is temporal. How you gonna catch it |
| 00:14.27 | Seb | ? |
| 00:14.28 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Every 10 min, like clockwork. |
| 00:14.41 | Seb | so, what kind of automounting solution is there for sarge ? |
| 00:14.43 | redge- | seb, when i learn what temporal means lol |
| 00:14.47 | Seb | i've never used it myself |
| 00:14.58 | FieldySnuts | might be able to find out what process is generating that, with some good timing, with netstat on windows, forget the arguments to show programs but it can |
| 00:15.02 | Seb | redge-: means the program doing the mounting would only show up for 2 seconds, then go back to sleep |
| 00:15.15 | Seb | hence the difficulty to catch it while it's happening |
| 00:15.15 | liquid_ | box:/var/log/apache2# dpkg -la | grep apache2-mpm-worker |
| 00:15.15 | liquid_ | box:/var/log/apache2# dpkg -la | grep apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 00:15.15 | liquid_ | box:/var/log/apache2# |
| 00:15.20 | FieldySnuts | ahem |
| 00:15.21 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: #flood, if you like. |
| 00:15.27 | Strife | is there a way to use wireless ethernet as the primary network interface on installation? or is that likely not going to happen? |
| 00:15.30 | bucky | liquid_, that might be the problem... try apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork first and see if that fixes it |
| 00:15.31 | mdh | Seb: no, it's even funnier. they want to remap drives on machines to different letters |
| 00:15.38 | Seb | mdh: haha |
| 00:15.44 | redge- | seb, 2 seconds .. thats a whole 120 secs my friend |
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| 00:16.02 | liquid_ | bucky some other problem now: |
| 00:16.03 | liquid_ | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 00:16.03 | liquid_ | apache2-mpm-prefork is already the newest version. |
| 00:16.03 | liquid_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 00:16.06 | caphuso | liquid_: run "dselect update" and try the dpkg -la stuff again |
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| 00:16.10 | liquid_ | sorry |
| 00:16.10 | mdh | Seb: then pissfart about with all the other services broken by doing that |
| 00:16.11 | caphuso | liquid_: run "dselect update" and try the dpkg -la stuff again |
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| 00:16.27 | liquid_ | http://pastebin.com/304967 |
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| 00:16.41 | riad | i 'm having problens to compile gtk prograns in debian( I alread tried to compile with anjuta , a the comands in the gtk tutorial(at www.gtk.org)) |
| 00:16.42 | mdh | the *only* machine involved in this project they're working on that works 100% and gives absolutely 0 trouble runs Debian :) |
| 00:16.48 | bucky | liquid_, get apache2-mpm-worker |
| 00:17.01 | Gnea | does anyone happen to recall how to get mailx to mail an attachment via the commandline? |
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| 00:17.08 | Strife | oh |
| 00:17.14 | myren | whats a high faulutinosity word for example? |
| 00:17.16 | caphuso | Gnea: use mutt |
| 00:17.16 | Seb | riad: install libgtk2.0-dev or something like it ? |
| 00:17.22 | riad | thx |
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| 00:17.24 | Strife | so apparently, the sarge netinstall image does NOT have sata support... |
| 00:17.26 | Gnea | caphuso: needs to be non-interactive. |
| 00:17.27 | liquid_ | caphuso, bucky: http://pastebin.com/304968 |
| 00:17.27 | riad | i will try |
| 00:17.31 | caphuso | Gnea: use mutt |
| 00:17.34 | Gnea | caphuso: needs to be non-interactive. |
| 00:17.43 | Seb | Gnea: you thick ? |
| 00:17.45 | mdh | Strife: weird, the release-candidates did... |
| 00:17.47 | Seb | or something ? |
| 00:17.48 | caphuso | Gnea: dumbfuck. use mutt |
| 00:17.52 | vladster | What software is associated with video capture that is readily available in the repositories? |
| 00:17.59 | redge- | seb, thanks for your info i know a bit more now |
| 00:17.59 | Gnea | Seb: got more layers than a whale ;) |
| 00:18.04 | Strife | mdh: well, it's telling me "No partitionable media were found." |
| 00:18.06 | myren | whoa there, getting hostile in #debian today |
| 00:18.13 | FieldySnuts | today? |
| 00:18.16 | myren | mutt is conventionally thought of as an interactive mail system |
| 00:18.16 | Seb | Gnea: heh. Well mutt can be used non-interactively, is what caphuso was hinting at. |
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| 00:18.19 | bucky | liquid_, get apache2-mpm-worker |
| 00:18.20 | Gnea | myren: that's not hostility :) |
| 00:18.23 | shingouz | this is #debian after all :) |
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| 00:18.35 | mdh | Strife: can you boot it with the 2.6 kernel? I think it might default to a 2.4 one... |
| 00:18.40 | Strife | I'll try testing, see what happens... |
| 00:18.41 | caphuso | myren: convention is wrong |
| 00:18.43 | vladster | I like abuse, that is why I come here, too bad I can't be flogged over the net |
| 00:18.44 | Strife | mdh: that was with linux26 |
| 00:18.52 | myren | caphuso: in the general case i agree with you |
| 00:19.02 | shingouz | vladster: i think dpkg might have a factoid for that too |
| 00:19.08 | caphuso | mutt makes a very decent non-interactive MUA |
| 00:19.08 | vladster | Whip me , beat me , make me write bad checks.... |
| 00:19.20 | Seb | heh |
| 00:19.44 | bucky | Strife, you might need the 2.6.11 based installer depending on what sata controller you have |
| 00:19.46 | beardy | !flog vladster |
| 00:19.56 | shingouz | bingo! |
| 00:19.57 | Strife | bucky: is that the current "testing" image? |
| 00:20.08 | bucky | http://blog.blackdown.de/2005/06/26/debian-installer-with-kernel-2611/ |
| 00:20.09 | vladster | oooh I will need a ciggy after this |
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| 00:20.21 | liquid_ | bucky: bad idea: http://pastebin.com/304969 |
| 00:20.25 | Strife | bucky: thanks |
| 00:20.36 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: i'd capture any traffic to or from that host for a while, bet you find some other lameness |
| 00:20.44 | Rojer | ???? ? ??? ????? |
| 00:20.49 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: If I could terminate them, I would. As it is, there's a mix of 98/NT/ME/XP Pro/XP home. <sigh> |
| 00:21.14 | bucky | liquid_, is that with aptitude? |
| 00:21.23 | mwilson | Only one ME machine, thankfully. :( |
| 00:21.26 | FieldySnuts | the more thin clients the better... probably don't have to tell you that, i'd have quit a year ago if we didn't have em |
| 00:21.56 | bucky | wtf is up with aptitude.. it removes everything... i never use that POS |
| 00:22.02 | tobs | mwilson: upgrade that badboy |
| 00:22.03 | FieldySnuts | user error |
| 00:22.06 | vladster | any way what program would be used for capturing software from a video input?> |
| 00:22.24 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Regarding capturing to/from... just sitting here watching tcpdump, I've found three machines with Gator on them in the last five minutes. :( |
| 00:22.27 | Rojer | mazdai gavno |
| 00:22.31 | FieldySnuts | god. |
| 00:22.36 | mwilson | tobs: Working on it, working on it. |
| 00:22.44 | mdh | bucky: it has a different way of doing things to dselect and apt-get, which means if you chop & change apt frontends you can get in a bind. |
| 00:22.44 | FieldySnuts | spybot search and destroy their asses |
| 00:22.47 | liquid_ | bucky yeah with apt |
| 00:22.56 | mdh | bucky: if you *only* use aptitude it works great |
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| 00:23.09 | Joe7 | hi |
| 00:23.27 | bucky | liquid_, apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker does all that bullshit? |
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| 00:23.34 | mwilson | I think I need to sit down and really learn how to use tcpdump to best advantage. |
| 00:23.48 | trave11er | mwilson: ethereal is easier |
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| 00:24.07 | Seb | trave11er: but a security nightmare :\ |
| 00:24.14 | mdh | mwilson: just get it capturing packets to a file. then you can use one (or many) of the many post-process tcpdump analysers |
| 00:24.15 | Covener | trave11er: care to race on a capture? |
| 00:24.27 | Seb | Covener: :) |
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| 00:24.38 | trave11er | Seb: yeah, like someone is going to sit there sending you special packets |
| 00:24.41 | bucky | liquid_, i asked you a simple question... wtf are you doing? |
| 00:24.54 | trave11er | Covener: hehe |
| 00:25.02 | Seb | trave11er: with such a reasoning, you wouldn';t even use tools like tcpdump or ethereal i nthe first place |
| 00:25.08 | mwilson | trave11er: Ethereal is easier, but the box is there and I am here and the only connection between them is ssh. |
| 00:25.14 | mdh | mwilson: acidlab, netdude, nstreams, tcptrace, etc |
| 00:25.21 | mwilson | mdh: Yep. |
| 00:25.38 | trave11er | anyway, it's possible to make a dump using tcpdump and then import it into ethereal |
| 00:25.43 | Seb | mwilson: ssh -X might do if you really want ethereal then ? |
| 00:25.44 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: If you're in the mood, what's this one: 0:a0:c9:ec:f5:29 > 3:0:0:0:0:1 sap f0 ui/C len=163 |
| 00:25.52 | FieldySnuts | hell if i know |
| 00:25.53 | Seb | trave11er: which is not any safer :D |
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| 00:26.02 | FieldySnuts | brb |
| 00:26.07 | mwilson | I have no idea what device the MAC on the left goes to... I can't find it on the network anywhere. |
| 00:26.22 | mdh | the MAC on the right looks bogus |
| 00:26.32 | FieldySnuts | it's not a mac it's an sap thing |
| 00:27.06 | FieldySnuts | i'd definately dump that to binary ( -w filename , you won't see output), feed it to ethereal, far easier to use. tcpdump -i interface -w filename src or dst host \!your-ip-here |
| 00:27.15 | trave11er | Seb: you can run ethereal in chroot as nobody, then :-) |
| 00:27.27 | mwilson | sap being? I don't claim to be a network guru |
| 00:27.31 | FieldySnuts | i forget |
| 00:27.35 | Seb | trave11er: as nobody, but then how do you access the raw interface ? |
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| 00:27.48 | trave11er | Seb: you import the tcpdump dump |
| 00:27.52 | FieldySnuts | it's amazing all the BS flying around a lan that doesn't have any buisness doing so, mainly due to windows systems and HP printers |
| 00:27.59 | Seb | trave11er: ah, ok. Then it is safe :) |
| 00:28.24 | FieldySnuts | I don't let jack shit off a windows lan unless i say it's allowed, untrustable bastards |
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| 00:28.43 | riad | I really love debian!! |
| 00:29.01 | liquid_ | [02:23:20] <bucky> liquid_, apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker does all that bullshit? <-- yes |
| 00:29.06 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Care to elucidate on what sap is? |
| 00:29.09 | liquid_ | sory I was away for a while |
| 00:29.33 | FieldySnuts | i forget, too many prots in my head |
| 00:29.35 | bucky | liquid_, what does dpkg -l apache2-common say? |
| 00:30.01 | FieldySnuts | i'd get that stuff in a binary tcpdump file as above (excludes your ip traffic) and then feed it to ethereal, far easier to browse |
| 00:30.24 | Seb | FieldySnuts: the only inconvenient with that is you need to be on the same platform |
| 00:30.28 | mwilson | Yeah, I think I'm going to capture the interface for a hour or so, then import it. |
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| 00:30.44 | liquid_ | bucky: http://pastebin.com/304975 |
| 00:30.44 | mwilson | Seb: Nah, capture there to a file, scp file to here, import into ethereal. |
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| 00:30.49 | bucky | liquid_, what does dpkg -l apache2-common say? |
| 00:30.57 | FieldySnuts | if you really want to be paranoid, add -s 1548 onto tcpdump, will grab full packets instead of just headers (default) |
| 00:31.05 | FieldySnuts | often yields much more interesting results |
| 00:31.06 | Seb | mwilson: as i said, different platforms have different tcpdump binary formats |
| 00:31.22 | FieldySnuts | EBAL_VAS_VSEH: please stop that |
| 00:31.36 | liquid_ | bucky: http://pastebin.com/304975 |
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| 00:32.03 | mdh | FieldySnuts: when I used to run an ISP, I was etherealing the network getting some traffic stats. there were about 50 customers online at the time, and the lan had 1 windoze box. |
| 00:32.07 | Seb | mwilson: if both are linux, then fine. But a BSD tcpdump capture won't work on linux, or vice-versa |
| 00:32.33 | mdh | FieldySnuts: in 5 minutes the smb traffic from that box had quadrupled that of the 50 clients mail/web/ftp/other traffic |
| 00:32.40 | bucky | liquid_, i don't know how you're going to do it but you need to replace apache2-mpm-prefork with apache2-mpm-worker |
| 00:32.50 | mdh | and the windoze box was *idle* |
| 00:32.52 | Seb | mdh: decent ISP block 445 ;) |
| 00:32.54 | FieldySnuts | mdh: yeah I know, mainly broadcasts and other lameness |
| 00:32.56 | Seb | ISPs |
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| 00:33.03 | mfrisch | ok I ditcheed udev hotplug. Everything works except my dvd. Mplayer says it cannot access /dev/dvd I have a link from /dev/hdc in cdrom group. What am I doing wrong |
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| 00:33.15 | Seb | mfrisch: try as root |
| 00:33.20 | EBAL_VAS_VSEH | ?? ?? ??? ?????? |
| 00:33.29 | tobs | stop that shit, son |
| 00:33.30 | FieldySnuts | smb and rpc should be shot |
| 00:33.41 | Joe7 | could someone tell any tips on boosting up sorting speed of courier-imapd? (maildir, inboxes with over 10k messages are quite big problems atm when sorting by reverse date..etc) |
| 00:33.42 | bucky | i submitted a bug report before sarge went stable and they never fixed it so.... oh and aptitude sucks a big dick never use it... just my opinion |
| 00:33.42 | FieldySnuts | !irritate EBAL_VAS_VSEH |
| 00:33.43 | Seb | smb should be shot twice as much as rpc |
| 00:33.44 | dpkg | EBAL_VAS_VSEH: Y iz debain so old? who uses cable kk |
| 00:33.49 | mdh | Seb: I had it blocked on both borders :) |
| 00:33.54 | Seb | mdh: heh |
| 00:33.57 | mwilson | Seb: Hm, did not know that. |
| 00:34.00 | FieldySnuts | rpc is a much bigger problem if taken advantage of |
| 00:34.01 | Nebulous | Joe7: use a database for the email storage? |
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| 00:34.08 | mfrisch | Seb works fine |
| 00:34.10 | Seb | mwilson: i didn't either before I experienced it :) |
| 00:34.10 | mwilson | Seb: The gateway box is indeed BSD. |
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| 00:34.22 | EBAL_VAS_VSEH | ?? ??? |
| 00:34.25 | FieldySnuts | i bet there are tools to convert that |
| 00:34.27 | EBAL_VAS_VSEH | ? ??? ????? |
| 00:34.31 | FieldySnuts | could someone consider +q EBAL_VAS_VSEH |
| 00:34.31 | tobs | shut the fuck up |
| 00:34.39 | Seb | mwilson: i figured i'd mention it *before* you do several hours of capture and then expect to import it on another platform :> |
| 00:34.40 | Nebulous | great, now I get to write an email to my boss explaining that one of our servers was comprimised :( |
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| 00:34.42 | FieldySnuts | all I see are question marks |
| 00:34.58 | FieldySnuts | Nebulous: argh |
| 00:35.02 | liquid_ | okay bucky what else should I use instead of aptitude? |
| 00:35.05 | tobs | all i see is 'kick me from the channel please" |
| 00:35.05 | trave11er | i would vote for a kick, because his nick says "fuck you all" in russian |
| 00:35.08 | twink | bucky, what's wrong with aptitude? |
| 00:35.08 | Nebulous | at least I wasn't the one who installed/set it up |
| 00:35.09 | Seb | mfrisch: then did you log out/back in to make the group change take effect ? |
| 00:35.22 | FieldySnuts | I have never had a *nix server I administer compromised (that I know of), but some nights i get nervous realizing it'll probably happen some day |
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| 00:35.31 | bucky | liquid_, help liquid replace one package ^^ |
| 00:35.32 | ticktoc | kppp script fails with error, peer not responding to ECHO command(s).. I'm not at all sure where to look for this.. :-( any help would be appreciated |
| 00:35.45 | bucky | twink, help liquid replace one package ^^ |
| 00:35.54 | FieldySnuts | do what I can with common sense, strict mounting options, service restrictions, grsecurity, pax, acls, blah blah blah |
| 00:35.58 | mfrisch | Seb was done before I installed mplayer. I did everything but reboot |
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| 00:36.06 | FieldySnuts | had lots of people try stuff, never worked |
| 00:36.12 | mdh | FieldySnuts: that'll keep out 98% of them |
| 00:36.19 | mwilson | Seb: Just to let you know, unstable's ethereal seems to be able to open the capture file just fine. :) |
| 00:36.22 | Seb | mfrisch: as a user: groups ; ls -l /dev/hdc |
| 00:36.24 | FieldySnuts | yep, someday someone will get in though, iknow that |
| 00:36.33 | Seb | mwilson: what kind of BSd you running ? |
| 00:36.33 | FieldySnuts | important to realize that and plan for it |
| 00:36.44 | Joe7 | Nebulous maybe nost such a big idea to store gigs in db :> |
| 00:36.45 | Seb | mwilson: i'm on unstable too, btw |
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| 00:37.06 | Nebulous | depends on the machine/ram |
| 00:37.08 | FieldySnuts | ethereal can have modules, so perhaps it has various modules for reading the bins off of other platforms |
| 00:37.20 | mwilson | Seb: The gateway is oBSD 3.7 |
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| 00:37.23 | mfrisch | Seb brw-rw---- root disk |
| 00:37.24 | Seb | FieldySnuts: nah, ehtreal is linked to libpcap |
| 00:37.28 | mwilson | Seb: -stable, not -release |
| 00:37.32 | Nebulous | databases sort/search much faster than tons and tons of files on a hard drive |
| 00:37.32 | Seb | FieldySnuts: that's what does the decoding |
| 00:37.34 | Seb | i think |
| 00:37.51 | Seb | mwilson: weird, Itried a few months ago between oBSD 3.6 and linux, and it didn't work :\ |
| 00:37.51 | Nebulous | (with proper indexing and support) |
| 00:37.58 | Seb | mwilson: i'm glad to know it does now, though :) |
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| 00:38.47 | Nebulous | does debian's log rotater only keep 7 days of logs by default? |
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| 00:38.53 | Nebulous | or does it store them in some place I'm not looking |
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| 00:38.58 | Seb | Nebulous: /etc/logrotate* |
| 00:39.05 | EBAL_VAS_VSEH | ??? ?? ?????? ????? ??????? |
| 00:39.18 | Nebulous | it says 4 weeks... |
| 00:39.28 | ticktoc | peer not responding to ECHO causing login script to fail... any ideas..??? |
| 00:39.31 | FieldySnuts | can somebody please +q EBAL_VAS_VSEH |
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| 00:39.38 | Seb | mfrisch: so, if you don't belong to disk, then you can't read that |
| 00:39.51 | petroleum | Is it possible to mount ffs (openbsd 3.7) partitions through debian? |
| 00:39.52 | Seb | mfrisch: now, a cdrom drive should be of group cdrom, not disk |
| 00:39.59 | trave11er | Nebulous: it can have per-package config in /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 00:40.01 | Nebulous | but syslog.6.gz 's earliest entry is jun 20th |
| 00:40.04 | EBAL_VAS_VSEH | ?? ??? ???? ?? ???????? |
| 00:40.11 | Seb | petroleum: i believe so, you just need kernel support for it |
| 00:40.12 | bucky | EBAL_VAS_VSEH, ask in #ubuntu |
| 00:40.12 | EBAL_VAS_VSEH | ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ???????? |
| 00:40.25 | tobs | what service is lsrwed? |
| 00:40.31 | FieldySnuts | bucky: where on earth did you get anything out of what he said? all I see is "??? ?? ?????? ????? ???????" |
| 00:40.34 | tobs | lwresd* |
| 00:40.37 | Seb | tobs: laserweed ? |
| 00:40.38 | EBAL_VAS_VSEH | ?????? ??????? |
| 00:40.43 | Seb | pretty potent one |
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| 00:40.49 | trave11er | FieldySnuts: he's trying to speak russian |
| 00:40.49 | bucky | that's a ubuntu question |
| 00:40.50 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Prolly how #ubuntu talks. |
| 00:40.54 | FieldySnuts | i guess. |
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| 00:40.57 | trave11er | FieldySnuts: in the wrong encoding |
| 00:40.58 | breezy | russian? |
| 00:41.00 | breezy | #debian-russian |
| 00:41.09 | liquid_ | uhm I moved some sites from one to another server with a new documentroot for the sites. It was on fedora /home/httpd/vhosts/domainname.tld/httpdocs. Some php files contain that info as their document root. Now I moved those sites on sarge in a new document root: /var/www/vhosts/domainname.tld/httpdocs/phpfile.php or whatever httpdocs file containing the fedora stuff. How can i change all of that to the sarge ones in just one command? |
| 00:41.21 | mdh | !ru |
| 00:41.21 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 00:41.23 | ticktoc | if you can't address ubuntu then get the fucking bsd chat outa here.. |
| 00:41.27 | abrotman | liquid_: sed |
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| 00:41.33 | Seb | liquid_: sed/perl/awk/your favorite scripting language |
| 00:41.34 | mfrisch | Seb swiched no difference |
| 00:41.40 | petroleum | hmm |
| 00:41.40 | Seb | mfrisch: switched what ? |
| 00:41.40 | petroleum | perhaps you could guide me in the direction of doing that? please :) |
| 00:41.44 | Nebulous | that's odd, the /etc/logrotate.conf has compress commented out, but my rotated logs are definately compressed? is that the default then, or is something fubar going on here? |
| 00:41.54 | liquid_ | only If I knew sed/awk/perl |
| 00:42.05 | FieldySnuts | ticktoc: bsd users don't annoy us 93 times a day like ubuntu users. |
| 00:42.06 | mfrisch | Seb from disk to cdrom |
| 00:42.12 | FieldySnuts | oh he left. stewped aolrs |
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| 00:42.34 | Seb | petroleum: man mount, look in there. mount -t ufs ... |
| 00:42.38 | tobs | heh |
| 00:42.41 | Seb | mfrisch: type 'groups' |
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| 00:42.47 | trave11er | Nebulous: what package is it about? |
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| 00:42.57 | petroleum | ufs... arent the new bsds using ffs? |
| 00:42.58 | tobs | it was a question on how to mount bsd partitions in debian, which really isn't a bsd question.. |
| 00:43.01 | tobs | what a dumb fuck. |
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| 00:43.12 | mfrisch | Seb me cdrom audio |
| 00:43.13 | bourneagain | I need to set up a partial mirror. Any tutorials you would recommend. I am using it to complete my install of FAI. |
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| 00:43.21 | liquid_ | anyone? |
| 00:43.22 | abrotman | petroleum: fbsd uses ffs by default last i knew |
| 00:43.24 | Seb | mfrisch: ls -l /dev/hdc now |
| 00:43.29 | abrotman | liquid_: man sed |
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| 00:43.36 | abrotman | !sed tutorial |
| 00:43.39 | abrotman | what ? |
| 00:43.42 | shingouz | anyone? oh how i like that, reminds me of high school |
| 00:43.55 | abrotman | !tell liquid_ about sed |
| 00:43.56 | tobs | shingouz: :p |
| 00:44.03 | mwilson | Seb: If it helps --> $OpenBSD: tcpdump.c,v 1.42 2005/03/07 16:13:38 reyk Exp $ |
| 00:44.09 | abrotman | !tell liquid_ about sed cheats |
| 00:44.12 | Seb | mwilson: k thanks |
| 00:44.19 | petroleum | yea abrotman i've tried 'mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd /dev/hda2 /mnt/openbsd/' |
| 00:44.24 | shingouz | tobs: anyone? anyone? anyone? bueller? |
| 00:44.25 | mfrisch | Seb it has root disk. Do I need to reboot |
| 00:44.33 | abrotman | petroleum: tried -t auto ? |
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| 00:44.39 | Seb | mfrisch: no. su, chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc |
| 00:44.43 | petroleum | havent no :) |
| 00:44.55 | Seb | mfrisch: how did you try to 'switch', by the way ? |
| 00:44.56 | tobs | shingouz: if nobody raises there hand, im just gonna start callng out names... |
| 00:44.58 | tobs | their* |
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| 00:45.07 | mfrisch | Seb AAH...mc |
| 00:45.28 | Seb | mfrisch: should work now, right ? |
| 00:45.29 | shingouz | tobs: hehe.. i think you got my point :) |
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| 00:45.39 | tobs | ^^ |
| 00:45.46 | vladster | I compramised a blond the other night |
| 00:45.56 | Seb | mfrisch: also, consider ditching mplayer for xine ;) |
| 00:46.00 | liquid_ | abrotman no go |
| 00:46.01 | GlenneMannen | I have problems,,, when I installed debian it installed apache2 and now I cant get rid of it.. I tried apt-get remove apache 2 but it's still there... anyone have any ideas on how to remove this? |
| 00:46.13 | shingouz | brb |
| 00:46.16 | petroleum | kk i'm sure i'll figure it out |
| 00:46.20 | mfrisch | Seb DISCO THANKS. |
| 00:46.22 | abrotman | liquid_: what are you trying to do ? |
| 00:46.37 | liquid_ | abrotman: uhm I moved some sites from one to another server with a new documentroot for the sites. It was on fedora /home/httpd/vhosts/domainname.tld/httpdocs. Some php files contain that info as their document root. Now I moved those sites on sarge in a new document root: /var/www/vhosts/domainname.tld/httpdocs/phpfile.php or whatever httpdocs file containing the fedora stuff. How can i change all of that to the sarge ones in just one command? |
| 00:46.43 | abrotman | GlenneMannen: apt-get --purge remove apache2-common |
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| 00:47.25 | GlenneMannen | abrotman: thanks alot u saved me |
| 00:47.43 | abrotman | liquid_: uhm .. s/\/home\/httpd/\/var\/www/g .. or something like that |
| 00:47.56 | abrotman | that's why you're supposed to read the cheating stuff |
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| 00:48.59 | abrotman | liquid_: btw .. make DAMN SURE you back up your file before you try that |
| 00:49.02 | liquid_ | abrotman I'd love to but the problem is people whining about their site not working as it should |
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| 00:49.17 | mdh | abrotman: perl -pi will back up for you ;) |
| 00:49.25 | pitillo | can i make an announcement of my web page? |
| 00:49.51 | sparr_ | I turned on Active Desktop Borders in KDE, now when I change desktops by moving my mouse to the edge the mouse is somewhere in the middle of the screen on the new desktop instead of on the edge where (imho) it should be. Is this normal? |
| 00:50.10 | Seb | liquid_: so, you're administering something you sorta broke, and now you don't have time to learn how to fix it ? |
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| 00:50.34 | Seb | sparr_: #kde |
| 00:50.41 | Seb | pitillo: fuck no |
| 00:50.47 | sparr_ | Seb: yep |
| 00:50.50 | liquid_ | well I know, but then again I didn't really break it. |
| 00:51.00 | Seb | sparr_: i meant "go ask in #kde" |
| 00:51.10 | mwilson | Hm, those 'sap' packets, ethereal calls "Tree Disconnect Request"... says it's part of SMB. |
| 00:51.15 | Seb | liquid_: was working, not working anymore -> ____ ? |
| 00:51.16 | pitillo | Seb, is a page with manuals for debian sid |
| 00:51.24 | sparr_ | Seb: i meant "i did" |
| 00:51.36 | Seb | sparr_: and ? Seriosuly, how is this related to debian ? |
| 00:51.47 | mwilson | No, I lie. I need to learn how to count. |
| 00:51.53 | Seb | pitillo: here is not the right place. Myabe debianplanet.org |
| 00:51.57 | Seb | or .net, don't remmeber |
| 00:52.06 | pitillo | Seb, thanks =) |
| 00:52.10 | Seb | np |
| 00:52.10 | sparr_ | Seb: im running debian, with kde installed from a debian package, and im being told by non-debian users that it Works For Them (TM) |
| 00:52.24 | Seb | sparr_: #debian-kde then |
| 00:52.30 | sparr_ | Seb: yep |
| 00:52.31 | sparr_ | :) |
| 00:52.36 | Seb | sparr_: ? |
| 00:52.40 | liquid_ | Seb I know how to fix it manually. That's not the issue but there way too many files |
| 00:53.02 | Seb | liquid_: search and replace with oyur favorite editor ? i'm sure emacs can do S7R on all buffers or something |
| 00:53.04 | mdh | liquid_: "perl -pi" is your friend |
| 00:53.08 | Seb | sparr_: have you asked in #debian-kde ? |
| 00:53.22 | Seb | mdh: perl -pi is a friend to someone who knows perl :> |
| 00:53.39 | mwilson | Ah, here it is. |
| 00:53.41 | sparr_ | Seb: yep |
| 00:53.46 | Seb | sparr_: and ? |
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| 00:53.58 | sparr_ | and now i wait :) |
| 00:54.15 | Seb | sparr_: go, keep on doing that. YOu won't get an answer here that you wouldn't get there |
| 00:54.21 | Seb | s/go,/good,/ |
| 00:55.12 | abrotman | liquid_: did you back up the file ? |
| 00:55.33 | Seb | abrotman: man, how is backing up right away any kind of fun ? :> |
| 00:55.36 | mwilson | Huh, I found another machine. |
| 00:55.49 | Seb | mwilson: in your appartment ? :) |
| 00:55.52 | Seb | luck you |
| 00:55.54 | Seb | lucky |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | Seb: because .. uhm .. you should always back up a file before some idiot on irc tells you to change it ? |
| 00:55.57 | mwilson | No, on the LAN there. |
| 00:56.01 | shingouz | mwilson: you have too many computers ;) |
| 00:56.13 | Seb | abrotman: yeah, no fun at all :> |
| 00:56.14 | shingouz | so do i for that matter... |
| 00:56.15 | liquid_ | abrotman yes I did backup everything |
| 00:56.22 | abrotman | liquid_: what's the name of the file ? |
| 00:56.42 | mwilson | No, I'm logged into the gateway. |
| 00:56.46 | abrotman | hacker! |
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| 00:56.54 | liquid_ | abrotman can I message you? |
| 00:56.56 | mwilson | Someone turned on another one of the Windows machines. |
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| 00:57.04 | mwilson | It did a browser announcement. |
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| 00:57.09 | shingouz | eww |
| 00:57.11 | abrotman | liquid_: i rather you not .. many people here to help if i make a mistake |
| 00:57.27 | liquid_ | okay np, but it's not just one file |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | liquid_: ok .. how many are there ? |
| 00:57.45 | liquid_ | Iwant to change their sources containing the old info to the new info |
| 00:57.47 | mwilson | shingouz: <shrug> it's what Windows machines do. |
| 00:57.49 | liquid_ | new paths |
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| 00:57.58 | abrotman | liquid_: you mean the websites use hard paths ? |
| 00:58.00 | mwilson | shingouz: The important thing is to not let it OUT of the gateway. :) |
| 00:58.02 | mdh | liquid_: perl -pi'.orig' -e 's/foo/bar/' this_file |
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| 00:58.08 | liquid_ | abrotman say about every file in /var/www/vhosts/* |
| 00:58.14 | resiak | mdh: /g |
| 00:58.16 | abrotman | holy poo |
| 00:58.19 | shingouz | mwilson: true |
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| 00:58.22 | Seb | liquid_: find /dir -name "*some*pattern" -exec perl -pi -ne 's/foo/bar/' "{}" \; |
| 00:58.22 | pitillo | buenas noches a tod@s |
| 00:58.46 | tobs | pitillo: hasta luego D: |
| 00:58.47 | Seb | liquid_: that'd replace foo by bar for every single file like "*some*pattern" in /dir |
| 00:58.50 | abrotman | liquid_: sed -i 's/\/home\ |
| 00:58.51 | abrotman | err |
| 00:59.01 | pitillo | =) |
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| 00:59.07 | Seb | abrotman: cmon, use something else than / as a separator already :> |
| 00:59.08 | abrotman | liquid_: sed -i 's/\/home\/httpd/\/var\/www/g' filename |
| 00:59.15 | abrotman | Seb: no way! |
| 00:59.16 | mdh | mi pollo no tiene ningún labio |
| 00:59.19 | Seb | abrotman: haha |
| 00:59.23 | abrotman | Seb: he should have learned it himself |
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| 00:59.39 | tobs | mdh: no dice eso @@ |
| 00:59.41 | abrotman | Seb: i like the broken ladder look |
| 00:59.50 | mwilson | shingouz: I really shouldn't be sitting here watching what people are doing, anyway. Not that I can really see a whole lot... we're all switched, so I can only see what comes here. I shudder to think of what the machines are doing to each other. :) |
| 00:59.51 | Seb | heheh |
| 01:00.13 | bourneagain | Is there a command to create a mirror from the CDs? |
| 01:00.14 | Seb | mwilson: oh, not your network per se ? |
| 01:00.27 | shingouz | mwilson: don't think about it. just relax, get some popcorn and watch the show |
| 01:00.28 | abrotman | bourneagain: on your harddrive ? |
| 01:00.35 | mwilson | Seb: The church I volunteer at. I'm as much of a network admin as they have. |
| 01:00.40 | bourneagain | abrotman: Yes. |
| 01:00.52 | abrotman | bourneagain: dpkg-scanpackages should help you .. read the man page |
| 01:01.03 | shingouz | fsck, i need akvm |
| 01:01.10 | shingouz | kvm even |
| 01:01.19 | abrotman | a kvm ? |
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| 01:01.25 | Seb | mwilson: you religious at all ? |
| 01:01.30 | bourneagain | abrotman: Thanks ... I am running debootstrap now, looks like it will take forever. |
| 01:01.36 | shingouz | yea. two keybs on the desk and it is getting a bit cramped |
| 01:01.37 | tvn | anyone uses firefox ? the icon (google,ebay,etc) on my firefox search toolbar keeps missing after a while, |
| 01:01.38 | abrotman | bourneagain: it might |
| 01:01.43 | mwilson | Seb: I replaced out the netgear home firewall/gateway they were using between themselves and the 'net with an oBSD box. |
| 01:01.52 | Seb | mwilson: smart move |
| 01:01.54 | mwilson | Seb: So I could do management from home. |
| 01:02.05 | mwilson | Seb: And no, I'm not. |
| 01:02.13 | Seb | mwilson: k, is what I thought |
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| 01:02.16 | abrotman | he just volunteers there :) |
| 01:02.25 | mdh | tvn: yeah, I've noticed that in the debian packaged version. I think there's a bug registered about it in the BTS |
| 01:02.26 | stew | mwilson: i've been using m0n0wall for a bunch of time now which is fbsd based which has been great |
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| 01:02.34 | bourneagain | abrotman: I need it to maintain a small cluster. I will look at what you recommended. In the mean while abort the command I ran. |
| 01:02.43 | mwilson | Yeah, an office mate is their phone guy... HE'S the religious one. I got drafted. :) |
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| 01:02.54 | Seb | heh |
| 01:03.05 | abrotman | mwilson: sucker! |
| 01:03.08 | bourneagain | abrotman: Creating a partial mirror from the stable sarge CDs seems the way to go for me. |
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| 01:03.19 | abrotman | bourneagain: no broadband ? |
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| 01:03.32 | bourneagain | abrotman: I have broadband. |
| 01:03.38 | johnt | Hello, I've been having an issue where after my network interface gets an address, there is an extraneous route added which prevents my machine from hitting my network - usually route del -net 192.168.0.0/24 will fix there, but is there a more permanent solution? |
| 01:03.43 | resiak | abrotman: Even so, for a cluster a mirror/cache is worth it. |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | bourneagain: so why need local thingie ? |
| 01:03.51 | mwilson | All these bloody unmanaged netgear consumer-esque switches in the campus... I'm slowly replacing them out. |
| 01:03.53 | abrotman | bourneagain: do you know about apt-proxy ? |
| 01:04.07 | abrotman | mwilson: with what ? |
| 01:04.09 | stew | johnt: there is a route from another interface being added? |
| 01:04.10 | mwilson | Two places they were using cable routers as switches. |
| 01:04.32 | bourneagain | abrotman: A little. I am using FAI for automated install. The cluster from a crash needs to be back up withing 15 minutes. |
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| 01:04.43 | abrotman | bourneagain: is that all ? |
| 01:04.49 | stew | johnt: you can always add a "up" line to interfaces to run that route del command (man 5 interfaces) |
| 01:04.55 | abrotman | bourneagain: you could ask tarzeau about his project .. might be better fit for you |
| 01:05.03 | johnt | stew: no, there are two routes added for one interface - one default route that uses my gateway, and another one for 192.168.0.0 with no gateway (?) |
| 01:05.15 | bourneagain | abrotman: The FAI stuff looks good to me so far. |
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| 01:05.25 | stew | johnt: how are you bringing the interface up? |
| 01:05.32 | jim | what package provides /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/index.html? (no, it's evidently -not- aptitude) |
| 01:05.42 | abrotman | jim: apt-file ? |
| 01:05.49 | johnt | stew: ifconfig eth0 up, or ifconfig ra0 up - either one same effect |
| 01:05.53 | jim | checking; thanks |
| 01:06.01 | stew | johnt: why not ifup eth0 |
| 01:06.04 | mwilson | abrotman: With these --> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64076&item=5784565481&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW |
| 01:06.04 | abrotman | apparently none |
| 01:06.13 | mwilson | abrotman: I'm cheap and they never have any money. :) |
| 01:06.18 | johnt | stew: it always tells me "interface already configured" and doesn't do anything |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | mwilson: eww .. 3com :) |
| 01:06.25 | bourneagain | abrotman: I have the cluster slaves set up to PXE boot only. FAE works in that config. |
| 01:06.26 | johnt | stew: even if it's down.. |
| 01:06.26 | mwilson | abrotman: Ya takes what ya can get. |
| 01:06.30 | abrotman | mwilson: i have to say .. i actually like the dlink switches |
| 01:06.39 | abrotman | bourneagain: ah ok |
| 01:06.44 | shingouz | abrotman: 3com rocks :) |
| 01:06.47 | stew | johnt: you need to reconfigure /etc/network/interfaces, man 5 interfaces or /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 01:06.53 | abrotman | mwilson: do you actually stack them ? |
| 01:06.56 | jim | !info apt-file |
| 01:07.00 | mwilson | abrotman: Not yet. |
| 01:07.01 | dpkg | apt-file: (APT package searching utility -- command-line interface), section base, is optional. Version: 2.0.6 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 01:07.02 | abrotman | shingouz: i was joking .. not as good as they used to be though |
| 01:07.08 | shingouz | true |
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| 01:07.12 | bourneagain | abrotman: After they PXE boot it runs an update script etc. Pretty cool really. I am beginning to like FAI |
| 01:07.18 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:07.28 | abrotman | bourneagain: maybe you really should look at apt-proxy |
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| 01:07.55 | mwilson | abrotman: Haven't had the need. I will when I convert their computer lab over... right now it's driven off a set of three SMC hubs each linked to a port on the big switch. Funky, but I didn't do it. |
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| 01:08.24 | stew | johnt: after you fix your interfaces file, you should be able to "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and you should then be in good shape |
| 01:08.29 | abrotman | mwilson: you could get 10/100 24port for like 100$ |
| 01:08.35 | twink | so what exactly is /boot/sarge.bmp? |
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| 01:08.46 | abrotman | mwilson: though .. i guess two of those 3com are what .. 50$ ? |
| 01:08.47 | mwilson | abrotman: I'd have to have the $100 |
| 01:08.55 | abrotman | mwilson: do you work for my company ? :) |
| 01:08.57 | mdh | abrotman: some of the older ones we've lost ports on, but otherwise they've worked alright (dlink switches) |
| 01:09.15 | johnt | stew: currently there's nothing about eth0 or ra0 in my interfaces file - I removed them because eth0 and ra0 kept trying to send a dhcp broadcast every time I turned my computer on and taking a long time to time out if nothing is connected |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | mdh: ours are working fine so far .. but somehow i ended up with quite a hodgepodge in the server room .. dlink/netgear/linksys .. |
| 01:09.29 | mdh | I wonder though if something more... expensive... like netgear or bay networks or cisco would work "better" |
| 01:09.34 | mwilson | abrotman: So far the only place I actually need a 24-port is in the MPOE, and I have one there. The closets in the campus right now, the largest switch is 12-port. |
| 01:09.47 | abrotman | mwilson: must be a pretty small campus |
| 01:09.51 | bourneagain | abrotman: I am new to linux. A little over a week now. I have a lot to learn. Now that the cluster has been setup and running things look good. 16 dual processor nodes scream running this optimisation algorithm. It took almost a day before. Runs in less then an 2 hrs now. |
| 01:10.14 | abrotman | bourneagain: MPI ? |
| 01:10.23 | johnt | it's a been a real pain to reconfigure it for different networks on the move - whenever I find a program that looks promising there's always some notice saying it's outdated and replaced by something else that I can never get to work |
| 01:10.29 | bourneagain | abrotman: Unfortuantely the generation before it. |
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| 01:10.37 | mwilson | abrotman: <shrug> Average Lutheran church-size, I suppose... 50 or so PC's, NT 4 domain controller. |
| 01:10.37 | abrotman | beowulf ? |
| 01:10.37 | stew | johnt: you should add a correct entry for eth0 into your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:10.48 | abrotman | mwilson: oh .. i thought you meant at your uni :) |
| 01:10.53 | LunarCrisis | when I try find -name "*.flac" -exec flac -sdc '{}' \| lame - '{}'.mp3 \; , it puts output to standard output instead of piping it into lame, why is this? |
| 01:10.58 | mwilson | abrotman: No, I said I was a volunteer. |
| 01:10.59 | abrotman | mwilson: you can't get them to a samba pdc ? |
| 01:11.00 | bourneagain | abrotman: Basically. But I have come to find out beowulf is a very loose term. |
| 01:11.09 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:11.16 | abrotman | bourneagain: there are free implementations of MPI |
| 01:11.25 | jim | johnt: sounds like you could use to go back to basics |
| 01:11.27 | mwilson | abrotman: Dunno... I have to do something as the machine that is serving as DC at the moment is very tired. :) |
| 01:11.33 | resiak | LunarCrisis: man flac ? |
| 01:11.37 | stew | johnt: i think laptop-net is the flavor of the week |
| 01:11.41 | Gnea | abrotman: wtf does a church need with computer |
| 01:11.46 | johnt | stew: now, I also use the Gnome's connection properties dialog - will that revert those changes? |
| 01:11.55 | LunarCrisis | resiak, it works when I do it to one file, but when using find it outputs flac's output to standard out |
| 01:12.11 | abrotman | mwilson: sounds familiar .. we have a nt4 pdc at work .. but it's been running so well .. i haven't found a real need yet .. except for lack of space .. which was relieved with a samba server that auths off the NT4 PDC |
| 01:12.11 | LunarCrisis | as if it's not |ing it properly |
| 01:12.14 | jim | Gnea: a church is a controlling administrative entity... how can they not want to use it? |
| 01:12.14 | mwilson | Gnea: The classrooms have computers, the administration has computers, etc. |
| 01:12.19 | stew | johnt: i dunno anything about gnome |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | Gnea: god gets email! |
| 01:12.21 | bourneagain | abrotman: It is running CPI legacy. The developers are working on updating everything to MPI. |
| 01:12.30 | abrotman | bourneagain: oh goodie |
| 01:12.34 | Gnea | heh |
| 01:12.37 | Gnea | what a joke |
| 01:12.49 | twink | i wonder how much spam god gets every day |
| 01:13.01 | abrotman | what do you think the bishops do all day? |
| 01:13.04 | abrotman | they filter his spam |
| 01:13.06 | mwilson | abrotman: I'm trying to figure out a good way to control who can get out onto the internet and who can't. Right now I do it by IP, and do DHCP reservations for machines allowed to pass the gateway. |
| 01:13.15 | liquid_ | hi, I need this: Cache_Lite can't really find it using apt-cache |
| 01:13.16 | resiak | LunarCrisis: I just wrote a perl script ;) |
| 01:13.20 | abrotman | mwilson: sounds pretty reasonable to me |
| 01:13.22 | liquid_ | anyone know what to do now? |
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| 01:13.25 | abrotman | liquid_: perl |
| 01:13.25 | johnt | well, alright, I'll take a lot at my interfaces file and laptop-net and play around with some things - thanks guys |
| 01:13.26 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:13.31 | LunarCrisis | resiak, heh, yeah? |
| 01:13.35 | mdh | Gnea: not to mention multimedia production |
| 01:13.37 | abrotman | mwilson: you could do subnets ? |
| 01:13.43 | liquid_ | abrotman: http://pear.php.net/package/Cache_Lite |
| 01:13.45 | abrotman | mwilson: with routers maybe ? |
| 01:14.08 | mwilson | abrotman: Yeah, but what do I gain by doing it that way, other than complexity? |
| 01:14.10 | Gnea | mdh: don't get me started. |
| 01:14.17 | abrotman | mwilson: yep .. that's about it |
| 01:14.30 | liquid_ | abrotman I need to install perl you mean? |
| 01:14.33 | liquid_ | it's allready there |
| 01:14.35 | abrotman | liquid_: no |
| 01:14.37 | mwilson | abrotman: Right now I just add a reservation, add the IP address to the persistent table, and reload pf. |
| 01:14.40 | bourneagain | mwilson: I know you are an expert. But it seems like assigning the IPs based on the MAC address would be a way to do then config the firewall to deny everything else. |
| 01:14.49 | abrotman | liquid_: you did apt-get install php4-pear right ? |
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| 01:14.54 | mwilson | bourneagain: When did I say I was an expert? |
| 01:14.55 | jim | now -that's- the nicer way of searching. |
| 01:14.59 | jim | thanks abrotman |
| 01:15.06 | bourneagain | mwilson: Well I feel you are an expert. |
| 01:15.09 | abrotman | jim ? |
| 01:15.11 | mwilson | bourneagain: btw... that IS what I said I was doing. :) |
| 01:15.14 | resiak | LunarCrisis: `for i in $( find -name "*.flac" ); do flac -sdc "$i" | lame - "$i".mp3; done` would probably work, but what about metadata? |
| 01:15.16 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:15.26 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: authpf. Almost the ideal tool for the job. |
| 01:15.33 | bourneagain | mwilson: :p See I said you were an expert! |
| 01:15.39 | LunarCrisis | resiak, probably gets lost =S |
| 01:15.41 | Gnea | abrotman: oh, did you hear about that former church leader in Kansas? |
| 01:15.47 | liquid_ | abrotman now I did |
| 01:15.47 | jim | you said... "<abrotman> jim: apt-file ?" |
| 01:15.49 | abrotman | Gnea: BTK ? |
| 01:15.49 | liquid_ | thanks |
| 01:15.51 | LunarCrisis | resiak, do you know of any better ways? |
| 01:15.53 | abrotman | jim: ah .. gotcha |
| 01:15.53 | Gnea | abrotman: that's the one |
| 01:15.57 | abrotman | Gnea: heh |
| 01:16.00 | resiak | LunarCrisis: My Perl script? ;) |
| 01:16.01 | abrotman | liquid_: working now ? |
| 01:16.02 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I thought about that... need to learn how it works. |
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| 01:16.16 | abrotman | bah .. the sixers stink |
| 01:16.24 | abrotman | AI is a bum ... |
| 01:16.36 | sixers | hi! |
| 01:16.36 | LunarCrisis | resiak, no, I got that =D, but are there any converters that keep the metadata? |
| 01:16.37 | liquid_ | no |
| 01:16.39 | twink | Iverson's the man! |
| 01:16.41 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: The short answer is "very well". I use it to solve almost the exact same problem. But yes it takes some serious reading and deep thought. |
| 01:16.43 | liquid_ | abrotman check: http://www.ravenzwaaij.info/ |
| 01:16.53 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: But I couldn't see off the top of my head how a Windows PC would fit into that. |
| 01:17.00 | Gnea | abrotman: i wonder how many people are gonna go up to their weekly sinsters and mutter "bless me father for i have sinned.. i took a piss all over my cousin and his wife's tent last weekend." |
| 01:17.07 | bourneagain | mwilson: There is also a neat little trick with a script to only turn on the computers that you want to access the internet and leave everything else on. It creates the stuff automatically. |
| 01:17.12 | resiak | LunarCrisis: However, there was a horrible accident with rm and tab-completion and case-sensitivity and that script no longer exists. It did preserve metadata though! |
| 01:17.15 | abrotman | liquid_: seems you have to configure php/pear to allow you to use files form there |
| 01:17.26 | abrotman | Gnea: two ? |
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| 01:17.33 | Gnea | abrotman: lol |
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| 01:17.51 | bourneagain | mwilson: Sorry to explain in a little more detail. You turn on the computers you want to access the internet and leave the others off. Then run the script. |
| 01:17.57 | LunarCrisis | resiak, ah, too bad then >.< thanks for the script you did give me though. |
| 01:18.20 | Peterken | Hello, i did dist-upgrade to sarge, i installed apache2 but now i have some problems with the function mail(). I see that the mail is coming to my mailserver with 'no recipients'. What could be wrong? |
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| 01:18.46 | mwilson | bourneagain: Yeah, that works, but I know the MAC of all the machines in the inventory, so it's not hard to add reservations. |
| 01:18.47 | Gnea | Peterken: only a dist-upgrade? no upgrade? |
| 01:18.51 | abrotman | Peterken: which mail() function ? |
| 01:18.58 | renato` | hey, what can make me get it, when using ifup pppoe: br2684ctl[1802]: Interface "nas0" could not be created, reason: No such device ? |
| 01:18.59 | Peterken | oh i'm sorry of php4 |
| 01:19.11 | abrotman | Peterken: you can set that with the mail function |
| 01:19.17 | LunarCrisis | resiak, it gives me an 'invalid syntax' error at that dollar-sign |
| 01:19.25 | abrotman | Peterken: oh .. no recipients > |
| 01:19.26 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:19.34 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: My lusers have putty and ssh in to authenticate. Unless I'm misunderstanding your question. |
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| 01:19.44 | resiak | LunarCrisis: Oh, wank. Hang on... |
| 01:19.48 | LunarCrisis | resiak, err, nevermind |
| 01:19.51 | bourneagain | mwilson: I may have you mistaken for some one else that was a channel op on #windowsnt on the undernet. |
| 01:19.59 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 01:20.01 | abrotman | oh yes you have |
| 01:20.15 | mwilson | abrotman: The way the previous admin was doing things, if you were a static IP, you couldn't get out onto the 'net, because you didn't know where the gateway was. Only the DHCP machines could get out, because THEY knew where it was. Not terribly secure, eh? :) |
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| 01:20.19 | resiak | LunarCrisis: Incidentally, that snippet breaks if you have newlines in files. |
| 01:20.29 | mwilson | bourneagain: That was quite a few years ago. |
| 01:20.33 | FieldySnuts | sounds like windows admin security models |
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| 01:20.41 | Peterken | yes, my PHP scripts are stillt he same, i can send them but when they are in my mailserver i see that recipients are not filled in |
| 01:20.45 | FieldySnuts | oh wait those don't exist |
| 01:20.54 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: You *have* to be shitting me. |
| 01:20.58 | cesschneider | hi |
| 01:20.59 | abrotman | mwilson: not really .. but well .. my boss has me do work at his church .. and i think security by obscurity works at churches :) |
| 01:21.00 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: 'windows' 'admin' and 'security' in the same sentence?! |
| 01:21.02 | scarynetworkguy | He can not have really thought that would work. |
| 01:21.04 | bourneagain | mwilson: Wow, so it is you. Amazing!!! |
| 01:21.05 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: :( |
| 01:21.09 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 01:21.12 | abrotman | Peterken: but they still get there ? |
| 01:21.14 | cesschneider | how can I get the mysql includes in debian ? |
| 01:21.16 | shingouz | scarynetworkguy: i have seen the same |
| 01:21.21 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: No, you're not misunderstanding the question, it's just that you're talking about God-fearing Lutherans who have problems remembering to launch the browser, let alone that they'd have to authenticate first. :) |
| 01:21.22 | Gnea | !FieldySnuts++ |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | cesschneider: -dev packages |
| 01:21.30 | Peterken | no abrotman, they will not deliver |
| 01:21.34 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Most of whom are senior-citizens. |
| 01:21.47 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Hehe. God I feel your pain. |
| 01:21.57 | abrotman | Peterken: i have lots of mail functions on sarge boxes .. |
| 01:21.58 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Actually, it worked pretty well. |
| 01:22.15 | bourneagain | mwilson: I taught a senior citizens computer class for 4 years. It was fun! |
| 01:22.25 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Yeah. Given that group of users I bet it did. :) |
| 01:22.26 | renato` | hey, what can make me get it, when using ifup pppoe: br2684ctl[1802]: Interface "nas0" could not be created, reason: No such device ? can someone help, please? |
| 01:22.29 | Peterken | oh yes and i now installed php with suexec. |
| 01:22.32 | bourneagain | scarynetworkguy: Senior citizens are cool :) |
| 01:22.33 | abrotman | Peterken: you're doing mail($recipient,$subject,$body,$otherheaders); ? |
| 01:22.41 | FieldySnuts | what is nas0? |
| 01:22.45 | Peterken | yes abrotman |
| 01:22.46 | FieldySnuts | is this actually linux? |
| 01:22.55 | renato` | yes, it is... |
| 01:23.06 | scarynetworkguy | bourneagain: Never said they weren't and you'll notice that the term I was using changed when I found out who they were. Keep up in the back there. |
| 01:23.09 | abrotman | Peterken: what if from the command line you `echo "blah" | mail youremail@host.com` ? |
| 01:23.11 | mwilson | Their previous admin also apparently didn't belive in network printers... the campus is full of LJ4plus's (*with* JD's), yet everything is locally interfaced. |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | Peterken: does that work ? |
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| 01:23.37 | bourneagain | scarynetworkguy: Totally understand :o) |
| 01:23.46 | snarf | is php5 in unstable? |
| 01:23.51 | FieldySnuts | hope not |
| 01:23.56 | abrotman | !info php5 sid |
| 01:23.56 | Peterken | That works under root abrotman, but not under a normal user |
| 01:24.07 | mdh | renato`: there's a lot of stuff on google if you search for "nas0" |
| 01:24.09 | abrotman | Peterken: that might be a problem .. apache runs as www-data |
| 01:24.10 | bourneagain | scarynetworkguy: I apologize if I implied anything. Sorry. |
| 01:24.15 | renato` | mdh, i'm doing it :) |
| 01:24.30 | Peterken | but apache always have doing it |
| 01:24.31 | renato` | but, till now, nothing really usable |
| 01:24.37 | abrotman | Peterken: anything in the mail logs ? |
| 01:24.50 | Peterken | nothing, only that there are no recipients |
| 01:24.55 | Peterken | also nothing in php logs |
| 01:24.58 | mwilson | Anyway, enough about what I do on my days off. |
| 01:25.08 | mwilson | I'm ruining my evil image. |
| 01:25.09 | mwilson | :) |
| 01:25.13 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 01:25.28 | abrotman | mwilson: at least you get blessed eh? :) |
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| 01:25.54 | abrotman | Peterken: syslog or messages ? |
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| 01:25.58 | bourneagain | mwilson: ROFL, was it not you that wrote that blasted bot to ban anyone that entered the channel in the warez channels? Keep up the good work! |
| 01:26.08 | abrotman | Peterken: i wonder if it's actually your smtp that's goofed |
| 01:26.12 | twink | okay, easy newb question: how do i extract a file from a .deb without installing the package? |
| 01:26.20 | mwilson | bourneagain: That was a VERY long time ago. |
| 01:26.23 | abrotman | twink: man ar |
| 01:26.28 | abrotman | man tar |
| 01:26.32 | Peterken | no errors concerning php mail in syslog or messages |
| 01:26.32 | abrotman | man gzip |
| 01:26.34 | mwilson | bourneagain: And I only cooperated in it, I didn't originate it. |
| 01:26.40 | jim | twink: it's useful to know what is a deb |
| 01:26.47 | bourneagain | mwilson: :) |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | Peterken: i find it pretty odd that your regular users can't send mail |
| 01:27.06 | jim | abrotman has told you every tool you need |
| 01:27.10 | twink | okay, so .deb's are essentially tar archives? |
| 01:27.15 | jim | no |
| 01:27.18 | abrotman | twink: ar archives |
| 01:27.21 | jim | debs are ar |
| 01:27.22 | mdh | twink: dpkg-deb -x |
| 01:27.28 | Peterken | someone once starded a mailbom and so we disabled it :-) |
| 01:27.28 | abrotman | mdh: cheater! |
| 01:27.34 | twink | cool, thanks |
| 01:27.39 | abrotman | Peterken: the mail ? |
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| 01:27.49 | Peterken | the |mail function |
| 01:27.55 | jim | I think all debs of any version have to be ar at their top level |
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| 01:28.02 | abrotman | Peterken: i suspect you need to fix that first |
| 01:28.06 | abrotman | Peterken: really .. i do |
| 01:28.16 | abrotman | Peterken: you dist-upgraded a broken mail server :) |
| 01:28.22 | jim | and by "version" here, I mean the version of the deb file format |
| 01:28.29 | Peterken | ic |
| 01:28.43 | bourneagain | mwilson: I am doing completely different stuff myself then when I was in that channel. BTW just for the record I am totally pro H1-B visa. |
| 01:28.45 | abrotman | Peterken: i mean .. you can ask #php what they think .. but that's what i'm suspecting .. |
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| 01:28.53 | Peterken | ok abrotman, tnx |
| 01:29.06 | abrotman | Peterken: if you need help with your mailserver ask away :) |
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| 01:29.25 | jim | twink: try to extract the deb using ar (you might want to make a directory, put the .deb in it, cd into it and work in there) |
| 01:30.36 | jim | twink: and let me know when you've done that |
| 01:31.05 | abrotman | twink: which debian package are you messing with? |
| 01:31.20 | twink | jim: I had a broken link in my /boot directory for debian.bmp and just wanted to grab sarge.bmp without installing lilo |
| 01:31.38 | twink | talk about an anticlimax after looking at what sarge.bmp is |
| 01:31.38 | cesschneider | someone can help me ? |
| 01:31.41 | cesschneider | configure: error: SNMP sanity check failed. Please check config.log for more information. |
| 01:32.01 | jim | twink: still... knowing the deb file format could help you in the future... and it's not difficult in any way |
| 01:32.34 | abrotman | cesschneider: and the log says ? |
| 01:32.51 | caphuso | "ar p lilo*.deb data.tar.gz | tar xzf - ./boot/sarge.bmp", assuming that /boot/sarge.bmp is the file you want to extract |
| 01:33.30 | caphuso | if you run that command in /, you get the file placed in the right location, so don't do that |
| 01:33.31 | twink | jim: yeah, definitely. i've never really done more than use apt or synaptic or aptitude with deb files and i knew it was fairly simple to extract files from them but i've never really had a need to do so before. thanks for the help. |
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| 01:34.03 | caphuso | unless you're absolutely sure you're not going to overwrite the wrong file or similar stuff |
| 01:34.57 | jim | caphuso: your particular invocation would then require lilo*.deb to be located in / |
| 01:35.10 | mwilson | bourneagain: Uh, why would you make a point of telling me your stance on H1-B? |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | mwilson: aren't you canadian ? |
| 01:35.24 | caphuso | jim: well, yes, but "ar p /path/to/lilo*.deb ..." works too |
| 01:35.25 | abrotman | :) |
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| 01:35.32 | jim | unless error messages are your passion :) |
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| 01:35.57 | jvoorhis | they're getting to be my passion! |
| 01:36.09 | jvoorhis | hi |
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| 01:36.22 | bourneagain | mwilson: Because it created hell for me in the windowsnt channel. |
| 01:36.41 | mwilson | bourneagain: Like I said, that was a VERY long time ago. |
| 01:36.52 | brimstone | i'm tring to install debian with netinst, but i can't load the axnet_cs drive like knoppix does? why? |
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| 01:37.02 | mwilson | Hm... I should push lease times down. |
| 01:37.04 | bourneagain | mwilson: ok |
| 01:37.11 | jim | twink: so if you'd like to learn that... there are steps to perform |
| 01:37.23 | caphuso | stupid canada... |
| 01:37.33 | redge- | Seb, i think gnome is the one auto mounting on click _open_. |
| 01:37.35 | abrotman | caphuso: !sing blame canada |
| 01:37.38 | redge- | hehe |
| 01:37.54 | jvoorhis | anyone have time to help a [debian] n00b recompile his kernel? =) |
| 01:38.01 | caphuso | now i can't get the ren & stimpy yak song out of my head :-/ |
| 01:38.09 | mwilson | jvoorhis: You don't have any reason to compile your own kernel. |
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| 01:38.25 | jvoorhis | mwilson, well, with kernel-package i suppose |
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| 01:38.40 | abrotman | caphuso: log! |
| 01:38.46 | jvoorhis | but i need at least 2.6.10 for my sound chip |
| 01:38.54 | abrotman | !tell jvoorhis about kp |
| 01:38.57 | jvoorhis | and i need alsa, and i'd like to use sarge |
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| 01:39.14 | abrotman | jvoorhis: what are you running now ? |
| 01:39.26 | deadcat | jvoorhis: get it from unstable then |
| 01:39.31 | jvoorhis | abrotman, i'm using sid right now, but i think i'd rather run sarge |
| 01:39.42 | jim | jvoorhis: there's a 2.6.11something floating around in binary form |
| 01:39.47 | abrotman | jvoorhis: kind of late ... |
| 01:39.54 | abrotman | jvoorhis: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 ? |
| 01:39.56 | bucky | brimstone, its a closed source driver that's why debian doesn't have it |
| 01:39.56 | jvoorhis | sid and gnome has some quirks, and i don't particularly need anything from sid besides 2.6.11 |
| 01:40.04 | bucky | brimstone, cards are mostly NE2000 compatible |
| 01:40.11 | deadcat | how do i use checkinstall to compile the .deb but NOT install it? |
| 01:40.16 | me-28 | burger |
| 01:40.21 | bucky | maybe that will work long enogh to install |
| 01:40.22 | redge- | now i haven't been able to mount _terminal_ the cdrw, which i think is non iso compliant. well not this box as i want to ask : Is it possible that you need to be root to mount certain type of cd(as in file not iso9660 compliant) or the availablity to mount a certain type of media depends only on the media type (cdr, cdrw etc..) ? |
| 01:40.24 | abrotman | deadcat: man .... wait for it ... checkinstall |
| 01:40.26 | abrotman | :) |
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| 01:40.35 | abrotman | deadcat: /msg dpkg za .. why is that wrong ? |
| 01:40.36 | jvoorhis | if it helps, i am on amd64 w/ an nforce board :p |
| 01:40.44 | abrotman | !tell jvoorhis about amd64 |
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| 01:41.13 | scarynetworkguy | jvoorhis: That's impossible. |
| 01:41.18 | jvoorhis | debian's amd64 distribution is the first thing i got to work on this board, and i'm finding that i kinda like it |
| 01:41.23 | jvoorhis | scarynetworkguy, what's impossible? |
| 01:41.32 | deadcat | abrotman: i did man checkinstall but couldnt find it |
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| 01:41.56 | scarynetworkguy | jvoorhis: To run a AMD64 with a Nforce board. Mainly since they stopped making them years before the AMD64 came out. |
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| 01:42.17 | brimstone | bucky: debian has the axnet_cs driver, but it won't load |
| 01:42.25 | jvoorhis | scarynetworkguy, maybe i mean nforce4 chipset on an epox board? |
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| 01:42.28 | deadcat | abrotman: i dont get the za stuff |
| 01:42.39 | scarynetworkguy | jvoorhis: Then that is what you should have said, isn't it? |
| 01:42.41 | abrotman | why doesn't anyone know!!! |
| 01:42.50 | bucky | brimstone, did you tell the installer to throw away pcmcia-cs? |
| 01:42.57 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Lycos knows!! |
| 01:43.08 | brimstone | bucky: no, not sure how to do that with the netinst cd |
| 01:43.11 | jvoorhis | scarynetworkguy, only if you mean nvidia was making mobos and branding them nforce while i was unawares |
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| 01:43.22 | brimstone | bucky: it doesn't seem to have rmmod :/ |
| 01:43.29 | bucky | brimstone, start the installer again and use the linux26 option at the boot prompt |
| 01:43.37 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: kartoo! |
| 01:43.40 | brimstone | ok will do, thanks bucky |
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| 01:43.46 | jvoorhis | which is very likely the case |
| 01:43.46 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yahoo! |
| 01:44.07 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: altavista! |
| 01:44.16 | liquid_ | abrotman: find /var/www/vhosts -name *.php -type f | xargs perl -pi -e 's#/home/httpd/vhosts#/var/www/vhosts#g;' |
| 01:44.18 | scarynetworkguy | jvoorhis: No Nforce != Nforce4. Two different chipsets. |
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| 01:44.26 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Hotbot! |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: dogpile ? |
| 01:44.50 | jvoorhis | scarynetworkguy, well, the drivers that are documented as written for nforce2 work for me - i am really not a hardware guy |
| 01:44.53 | abrotman | i guess that doesn't count |
| 01:44.57 | snarf | infoseek, magellan, excite, lycos, webcrawler :P |
| 01:45.00 | me-28 | carles |
| 01:45.04 | jvoorhis | abrotman, thanks for the help |
| 01:45.31 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: for something funny .. http://www.google.com/search?biw=1011&hl=en&q=search+engine&btnG=Google+Search |
| 01:45.39 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: dogpile comes up before google :) |
| 01:45.42 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Infoseek? |
| 01:45.45 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Hehe. |
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| 01:46.19 | twink | does debian not play nicely with amd64? |
| 01:46.35 | memin | Hello, how can i create a .xinit script, in my home folder, containing "/usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde"? |
| 01:46.38 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: iwon! |
| 01:46.53 | jvoorhis | twink, amd64 seems great so far, except i have issues with my nforce4 board |
| 01:47.03 | jim | twink: it does, but it's newer... gladly, stuff compiled for i386 works on amd64 |
| 01:47.04 | abrotman | don't buy nvidia .. problem solved |
| 01:47.05 | jvoorhis | particularly, sound support |
| 01:47.12 | jvoorhis | haha |
| 01:47.20 | jvoorhis | abrotman, i think you might be right about that |
| 01:47.28 | cat-dog | after run sudo aptitude there comes a warning messege "W:Warning:could not lock the cache file.opening in read-only mode" |
| 01:47.29 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You won this round. But I'll be back. |
| 01:47.53 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:48.56 | brimstone | bucky: nope, doesn't work with linux26 either |
| 01:49.29 | jvoorhis | so i can run stable and use an unstable kernel |
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| 01:49.35 | jvoorhis | does that complicate alsa? |
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| 01:49.49 | liquid_ | abrotman check this; find /var/www/vhosts -name *.php -type f | xargs perl -pi -e 's#/home/httpd/vhosts#/var/www/vhosts#g;' |
| 01:50.19 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:50.26 | abrotman | that's just ugly :) |
| 01:50.45 | liable | jvoorhis: yes and no. |
| 01:50.57 | jvoorhis | how yes and how no? |
| 01:51.04 | liable | 1 and 2 |
| 01:51.08 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 01:51.17 | FieldySnuts | badgerbadger |
| 01:51.33 | mdh | nanoonanoo |
| 01:51.36 | liable | jvoorhis: question1 yes 2 no |
| 01:51.43 | twink | are there a lot of wisconsin alums in here? |
| 01:51.52 | abrotman | twink: i was just there :) |
| 01:52.06 | simy | ive been trying to setup a wireless connection, using ndiswrapper, and i finaly get it runinng but now it wont connect and it gives me an error message about once a minute or so sying ndiswrapper (set_essid:58): setting essid failed (c0000001) endl wlan0 (WE) : Wireless Event too big (373) |
| 01:52.11 | simy | so what does it mean? |
| 01:52.12 | jvoorhis | liable, so i can run unstable kernel + alsa, and it shouldn't be a problem at all? |
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| 01:52.22 | liable | jvoorhis: yes |
| 01:52.27 | jvoorhis | do i need unstable alsa? |
| 01:52.40 | scarynetworkguy | simy: That you should buy non-evil hardware. |
| 01:52.46 | mwilson | Hm, something out there is trying to pxeboot |
| 01:52.47 | me-28 | hi |
| 01:52.54 | liable | jvoorhis: the modules are in the kernel, the rest just basically admins it. |
| 01:53.05 | FieldySnuts | pry one of those lame bios that always tries that first briefly |
| 01:53.11 | jvoorhis | liable, thanks! that sounds nice |
| 01:53.21 | liable | jvoorhis: so, no stable alsa-base/utils will work. |
| 01:53.28 | simy | scarynetworkguy i would have if the idiot at the store knew what was linux compatable, he said he used suse, but didnt knwo what driver i was using.... |
| 01:53.42 | simy | speaking of what im using its a linksys somthing or another kit |
| 01:53.54 | rox | /dev/hda2 on /mnt/windows type ntfs (rw,umask=000) <-- this is what mount says about a mounted ntfs file system, i ntfs is a module with rw option turned on ... can anybody tell me why the filesystem is still read only? |
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| 01:54.08 | mwilson | Yeah |
| 01:54.14 | scarynetworkguy | simy: So take it back. |
| 01:54.19 | abrotman | rox: if you try to write to it . you'll have no data left |
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| 01:54.24 | me-28 | fuck u |
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| 01:54.31 | abrotman | me-28: are you done ? |
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| 01:54.37 | trave11er | :-) |
| 01:54.38 | simy | ok so i have to get somthing else? darn..... |
| 01:54.41 | rox | abrotman: i have already tried i get a permission denied |
| 01:54.44 | jvoorhis | abrotman, liable, thanks for the great help |
| 01:54.52 | scarynetworkguy | simy: http://www.linux-wlan.com/linux-wlan/index.html#Compatibility |
| 01:55.06 | jvoorhis | one last question - how do i tell apt-get to make an exception for the kernel? |
| 01:55.24 | abrotman | rox: you really REALLY don't want to write to an ntfs partition |
| 01:55.38 | FieldySnuts | @start a fs war |
| 01:55.41 | mdh | abrotman: sure you do. dd works wonders on them ;) |
| 01:55.42 | rox | abrotman: why not, it was functional thisfar, wasn't it? |
| 01:55.46 | FieldySnuts | hrm. no ravenbirdie, nevermind |
| 01:55.55 | abrotman | rox: ok .. go ahead .. it's not my data .. i don't care |
| 01:56.05 | abrotman | you've been warned |
| 01:56.23 | rox | abrotman: the thing is, i can't write to it, that's why i'm asking here ... |
| 01:56.41 | abrotman | rox: which version of debian ? |
| 01:56.47 | mdh | rox: you'll probably want to use the captiventfs driver |
| 01:56.55 | rox | abrotman: sid |
| 01:57.09 | rox | abrotman: 2.6.9 kernel |
| 01:57.09 | mdh | rox: the standard one will probably do nasty things with your data |
| 01:57.32 | rox | mdh: is it a part of the standard kernel tree? |
| 01:57.42 | rox | mdh: i mean .. is it in the vanilla kernel? |
| 01:58.12 | mdh | rox: the captive stuff is not, you have to getit separately |
| 01:58.37 | rox | mdh: anything else i should know about it? |
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| 01:59.37 | rox | mdh: btw ... i would still like to know what i did wrong with the default ntfs driver, that it refuses to write to my ntfs partition? |
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| 02:00.09 | me-28 | TEEL ME ABOUT IT |
| 02:00.26 | abrotman | me-28: are you done ? |
| 02:00.47 | me-28 | YES |
| 02:00.57 | abrotman | !tell me-28 about caps |
| 02:01.01 | GlenneMannen | I'm running a debianserver behind a router and sometimes it disconnects when I'm doing something to the debiansever... my net goes down for a minute or 2 and then i's up again |
| 02:01.10 | GlenneMannen | anyone know why? |
| 02:01.18 | abydos | How would I conect to FreeNode via IPv6? |
| 02:01.19 | rox | mdh: CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y is on, mounted with -o "defaults,rw,umask=000" |
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| 02:02.13 | mdh | rox: write support in that driver is probably disabled, no matter how you mount it |
| 02:02.33 | mdh | rox: because its known to cause MASSIVE FILESYSTEM CORRUPTION!!!!11!!!111!!!! |
| 02:02.51 | pipeline | mdh, rox : Not any more. |
| 02:02.59 | pipeline | mdh, rox : NTFS write support is perfectly safe now |
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| 02:03.05 | rox | mdh: a-ha ... ok ... does it only apply to XP version of ntfs, or others too? |
| 02:03.09 | pipeline | mdh, rox : It's just very, very, very limited. |
| 02:03.13 | mdh | rox: they're all the same |
| 02:03.13 | rox | pipeline: since what kernel version? |
| 02:03.20 | rox | mdh: they are not |
| 02:03.23 | pipeline | rox: 2.5.something |
| 02:03.36 | me-28 | hi mahieu |
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| 02:03.37 | mdh | pipeline: rubbish |
| 02:03.41 | rox | pipatron: so 2.6.9 vanilla source should be ok? |
| 02:03.43 | pipeline | mdh, rox: NTFS write support is perfectly safe. It just won't allow you to do anything useful. |
| 02:04.01 | pipeline | rox: You can't create new files. You can't delete files. You can't rename files. You can't change the length of files. You can't move files. |
| 02:04.18 | pipeline | rox: No permissions changes. I don't think you can even read the permissions, actually. |
| 02:04.21 | rox | pipatron: erm .. where's the wrote support then? |
| 02:04.32 | pipeline | rox: You can edit existing files, in place, without hosing the filesystem. |
| 02:04.32 | mdh | @aussiesmite pipeline |
| 02:04.36 | rox | s/wrote/write/ |
| 02:04.43 | sycj | how do I rerun X configuration? either the wrong server or video card was selected? |
| 02:04.50 | caphuso | sycj: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 02:04.55 | pipeline | rox: It's better than it used to be, where it would pretend to write things and then hose your filesystem. |
| 02:05.03 | zu22 | anyway to get AOL working in debian for dialup? how can i found out the info to enter into pppconfig and will it work? |
| 02:05.12 | pipeline | sycj: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 02:05.14 | RainbowW | zu22: get a real isp. |
| 02:05.15 | abrotman | zu22: doubtful |
| 02:05.17 | mdh | rox: get the captive ntfs driver |
| 02:05.18 | pipeline | zu22: No. It used to be possible, but not any more. |
| 02:05.19 | caphuso | pipeline: s/better/differently bad/ |
| 02:05.29 | LunarCrisis | resiak, how do I run the commands you gave me? should they work just typed into the console? If so, they see to be having trouble with filenames with spaces |
| 02:05.30 | abrotman | pingus or something |
| 02:05.30 | rox | pipeline: erm, i realy don't get it ... as far as i know, ntfs support was functional a while back |
| 02:05.34 | pipeline | caphuso: Better to fail loudly than fail silently. |
| 02:05.55 | pipeline | rox: You knew wrong. NTFS write support was too dangerous to use then. Now it's safe :P |
| 02:06.14 | caphuso | pipeline: oh, the old ntfs driver didn't fail silently. it failed with lots of loud screaming and flashing of error messages |
| 02:06.27 | abrotman | flames! lots of flames! |
| 02:06.34 | pipeline | caphuso: Err, even when the old NTFS driver pretended to succeed, it usually failed. |
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| 02:06.59 | caphuso | pipeline: until you tried to reread what you just wrote... |
| 02:07.05 | abrotman | mdh: i do not attempt to write to ntfs with linux |
| 02:07.26 | pipeline | abrotman, mdh : Why not? It's perfectly safe nowadays. |
| 02:07.34 | RainbowW | am looking for a firewall package -- either a Debian or a whole system deal (or on a CD is fine). Would like to be able to do both 1:1 and many:1 NAT, based on MAC assignments. GUI helpful but not strictly necessary. Any suggestions? |
| 02:07.43 | abrotman | pipeline: it's your data .. i'll keep mine in one piece .. thank you very much |
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| 02:08.17 | remmy | does anyone have alsaconf setup link? everytime i run it it doesnt save |
| 02:08.21 | abrotman | pipeline: we can't even get samba to interact perfectly with windows .. you honestly think your ntfs writes are perfect ? |
| 02:08.24 | jvoorhis | as far as apt-get is concerned, are 'stable' and 'sarge' interchangeable until the next major release? |
| 02:08.32 | abrotman | jvoorhis: yes |
| 02:08.39 | mdh | RainbowW: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=linux+nat+firewall |
| 02:08.40 | pipeline | abrotman: No, I said they were safe. |
| 02:08.59 | abrotman | pipeline: i'll pass |
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| 02:09.03 | liable | remmy: you mean the mixer settings? or modules beinf loaded |
| 02:09.05 | jvoorhis | abrotman, so is my intuition that "stable" is a symlink to "sarge" on the package server correct? |
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| 02:09.10 | abrotman | fuck .. reiser barfs on a regular basis |
| 02:09.16 | abrotman | jvoorhis: should be |
| 02:09.23 | RainbowW | mdh: justfuckingbitemecocksucker.com. |
| 02:09.28 | jvoorhis | thanks |
| 02:09.39 | abrotman | is that a real site ? |
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| 02:09.44 | remmy | liable, i have to run alsaconf everytime i start |
| 02:09.47 | abrotman | guess not |
| 02:09.58 | jvoorhis | i think i am going to like debian - already less resistance for me than i experienced with slackware |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | !monowall |
| 02:10.02 | abrotman | err .. wait |
| 02:10.14 | abrotman | who was just saying they used that crap earlier ? |
| 02:10.16 | remmy | liable, i remember reading that you have to tell debian it has never been edited before otherwise it wont save, but i dont remember what tutorial that was in |
| 02:10.30 | abrotman | that was stew! |
| 02:10.51 | test | remmy: alsactl store |
| 02:10.57 | stew | hi |
| 02:11.00 | liable | remmy: dunno but try 'alsactl store' |
| 02:11.01 | remmy | test, that doesnt work either |
| 02:11.09 | remmy | liable, doesnt work |
| 02:11.17 | liable | remmy: are the sound modules loaded at boot? |
| 02:11.26 | stew | i use m0n0wall. good stuff |
| 02:11.28 | LunarCrisis | is there a way to use pipes inside of a find exec parameter? |
| 02:11.29 | remmy | liable, i have no idea, how do i check? |
| 02:11.35 | liable | remmy: lsmod |
| 02:11.41 | abrotman | oh .. but it's not debian .. duh |
| 02:11.47 | stew | abrotman: its freebsd |
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| 02:12.00 | abrotman | stew: i realized that |
| 02:12.07 | abrotman | stew: i had just read the site a few weeks ago |
| 02:12.11 | abrotman | but forgot |
| 02:12.25 | remmy | liable, well i would have to restart wouldent i? i have already ran alsaconf |
| 02:12.26 | _unome | what's a good debian book? |
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| 02:12.56 | rox | now this is realy something i do not understand ... why the hell did they change the driver, when the old one was completely useful, albeit a bit unsafe to use |
| 02:13.00 | zu22 | pipeline: ah ok, i'm just using AOL for free 45 day trial - it expires in a couple days |
| 02:13.07 | liable | remmy: look in /etc/modules.conf /etc/modules, to see if there in there, read your kernel logs too. |
| 02:13.30 | stew | !monowall is a freebsd based firewall that provides a web based configuration and will run off a 8mb CF card: http://m0n0.ch/wall |
| 02:13.31 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 02:13.37 | caphuso | rox: uh, because it wasn't a bit unsafe, it was 100% unsafe |
| 02:13.58 | abrotman | stew: isn't it m0n0wall ? |
| 02:14.15 | liable | _unome: the 3.1 bible has/will be released soon. |
| 02:14.17 | rox | caphuso: for XP version of the filesystem, yes ... i know it functoned with win2k nrfs |
| 02:14.24 | caphuso | rox: no, it didn't |
| 02:14.31 | stew | abrotman: does dpkg now have a factoid redirection feature or something? |
| 02:14.35 | _unome | liable: yes, $30 some at bn.com |
| 02:14.46 | abrotman | !m0n0wall is see monowall |
| 02:14.46 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 02:14.50 | abrotman | !m0n0wall |
| 02:14.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, m0n0wall is see monowall |
| 02:14.53 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:15.00 | abrotman | i thought it did |
| 02:15.03 | mdh | rox: ntfs is ntfs. there is no "win2k version" and "xp version" |
| 02:15.08 | caphuso | mdh: wrong |
| 02:15.08 | rox | ok ... now i eed an idea how to get some files to a ntfs partition |
| 02:15.14 | stew | !m0n0wall is <reply> see monowall |
| 02:15.14 | _unome | liable: couldn't wait for it, so I ordered linux bible 2005 |
| 02:15.14 | abrotman | !forget m0n0wall |
| 02:15.14 | dpkg | abrotman: i forgot m0n0wall |
| 02:15.14 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 02:15.22 | abrotman | !m0n0wall |
| 02:15.22 | dpkg | methinks monowall is a freebsd based firewall that provides a web based configuration and will run off a 8mb CF card: http://m0n0.ch/wall |
| 02:15.25 | abrotman | stew: yay |
| 02:15.25 | rox | mdh: not true, microsoft changes ntfs with windows versions |
| 02:15.34 | stew | teamwork makes the dream work |
| 02:15.50 | abrotman | !smack stew |
| 02:15.56 | stew | !eat me |
| 02:15.57 | remmy | liable, in my modules.conf theres a lot of "alias sount-slot-3 snd-card-3" ... what am i looking for |
| 02:16.07 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:16.26 | rox | mdh: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/ntfs/ver-c.html |
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| 02:16.42 | liable | remmy: whats your sound card, or do you have more than one? |
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| 02:17.23 | remmy | liable, i have two, onboard and creative labs card |
| 02:17.31 | alejandro | alguien que hable español |
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| 02:17.40 | remmy | liable, the drivers like emuk101 or somthing |
| 02:17.45 | stew | !es |
| 02:17.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:17.53 | liable | remmy: do you use the onboard one? |
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| 02:18.11 | alejandro | #debian-es |
| 02:18.16 | rox | hmm, is there an ext3 driver for windows? |
| 02:18.19 | remmy | liable, no i use the other one |
| 02:18.21 | stew | abrotman: /j #debian-es |
| 02:18.23 | alejandro | thanks dpkg |
| 02:18.24 | abrotman | alejandro: /j #debian-es |
| 02:18.32 | abrotman | stew: no habla espanol |
| 02:18.32 | surrounder | rox: hold on |
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| 02:18.35 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:18.42 | opioid | d |
| 02:18.45 | mdh | mi pollo no tiene ningún labio |
| 02:18.52 | stew | abrotman: /msg dpkg es |
| 02:18.52 | liable | remmy: have a look in /var/log/kernel.log and see what happens at boot. |
| 02:18.56 | surrounder | rox: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm |
| 02:19.08 | abrotman | stew: ok |
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| 02:20.15 | rox | surrounder: thank you very much |
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| 02:20.43 | remmy | liable, i dont see anything |
| 02:21.36 | remmy | liable, ooo maybe kern.log |
| 02:21.55 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 02:21.55 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 02:21.56 | simy | ive been trying to setup a wireless connection, using ndiswrapper, and i finaly get it runinng but now it wont connect and it gives me an error message about once a minute or so sying ndiswrapper (set_essid:58): setting essid failed (c0000001) endl wlan0 (WE) : Wireless Event too big (373) |
| 02:22.11 | surrounder | rox: np :) |
| 02:22.20 | abrotman | simy: make smaller 'events' |
| 02:22.21 | simy | apparently i have to make a larger stack to 16 instead of 8, how do i go about doing that? |
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| 02:22.24 | surrounder | rox: may I suggest one thing though? |
| 02:22.32 | rox | surrounder: please do |
| 02:22.37 | lur | hi |
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| 02:22.37 | simy | abrotman apparently just them connecting is too much.... |
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| 02:22.52 | abrotman | simy: stop using linksys routers! |
| 02:23.00 | lur | I am on debian sarge |
| 02:23.03 | lur | and have no sound |
| 02:23.10 | abrotman | lur: did you install discover ? |
| 02:23.11 | lur | how do I get sound working? |
| 02:23.14 | simy | if i take them back what else is good? |
| 02:23.18 | lur | what is this discover? |
| 02:23.20 | abrotman | lur: and what kind of sound od you have ?> .. are you in the audio group ? |
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| 02:23.26 | simy | they wer ejust cheap and they guy said they were linux compatable... |
| 02:23.29 | simy | and they came in a kit, lol |
| 02:23.31 | mdh | my supervisor is on the phone to the client blaming MySQL for his mistake |
| 02:23.32 | rox | lur: discover is a hardware detection tool |
| 02:23.35 | lur | oh |
| 02:23.40 | abrotman | simy: there are things that are actually native linux drivers |
| 02:23.41 | lur | everything else seems to be working |
| 02:23.48 | abrotman | lur: does sound work as root ? |
| 02:23.49 | lur | and what is sound od? |
| 02:23.58 | surrounder | rox: try to use google a little more, I did "ext3 +win32" and it was the first result ( ok, little cheating; I know the program ;)) but it's far faster to look it up yourself and give the people here some more time to help other people :) |
| 02:23.58 | lur | I never logged into X as root |
| 02:24.01 | mdh | wish it was legal to kill stupid people |
| 02:24.02 | abrotman | simy: did you try without wep ? |
| 02:24.03 | simy | anything form circuit city? cause thats were i got this.... |
| 02:24.07 | rox | lur: read its manpage, you will learn how to run discover so that it will tell you exactly what driver to load |
| 02:24.09 | twink | check to see that you're in group audio |
| 02:24.10 | abrotman | mdh: /msg dpkg useless factoids |
| 02:24.22 | remmy | liable, EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:01:07.0 failed $ |
| 02:24.29 | simy | uhm, im an idiot, lol so... your going to have to break it down a little.... |
| 02:24.30 | abrotman | simy: all i know of is madwifi.sf.net and prism54.org |
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| 02:24.40 | abrotman | simy: but you tried without wep ? |
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| 02:24.50 | simy | i try to find sites that tell me what to do to get somthing working and i try them |
| 02:24.51 | simy | lol |
| 02:24.57 | simy | i dono how do i do that? |
| 02:25.04 | rox | surrounder: you are right, i should have STFWed ... but i asked in the midst of discussion on htfs from linux ... |
| 02:25.09 | rox | surrounder: thanx for your help |
| 02:25.10 | abrotman | simy: so you didn't setup wep at all ? |
| 02:25.20 | simy | what is wep? |
| 02:25.25 | abrotman | !wep |
| 02:25.26 | dpkg | methinks wep is the utterly useless level of encryption that 802.11b uses. it claims to provide 'wired equivalent privacy', but it's as secure as rot13. |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:25.30 | liable | remmy: hmm, try disabling onboard sound in bios. |
| 02:25.35 | simy | ohhhhh |
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| 02:25.42 | simy | i think so, i dono, im at a lose on how to go any further as it is! |
| 02:25.53 | abrotman | simy: you could ask #wireless perhaps quickly .. or #ndiswrapper (whihc i think exists( |
| 02:26.02 | lur | in slackware |
| 02:26.09 | lur | there was an audio config thing |
| 02:26.10 | simy | its worth a shot.... |
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| 02:26.46 | MikaSaloCarbonCh | is there any special considerations about GRUB and SCSI?? |
| 02:27.12 | abrotman | suchas ?\ |
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| 02:28.03 | MikaSaloCarbonCh | anyone? |
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| 02:28.13 | abrotman | MikaSaloCarbonCh: are you having a problem ? |
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| 02:28.38 | MikaSaloCarbonCh | abrotman: i have installed debian installer, but after the first reboot nothing happened. |
| 02:28.39 | rox | MikaSaloCarbonCh: not that i know of ... i use it on a scsi disk at work ... |
| 02:28.43 | twink | i don't boot off a scsi device but i've been using grub without problem for years |
| 02:29.01 | abrotman | MikaSaloCarbonCh: i use grub with scsi |
| 02:29.03 | MikaSaloCarbonCh | i dont have IDEs on this machine |
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| 02:29.17 | MikaSaloCarbonCh | abrotman: well.. Im trying again. lets see |
| 02:29.30 | abrotman | MikaSaloCarbonCh: or try a grub floppy |
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| 02:30.17 | MikaSaloCarbonCh | abrotman: Actually I dont need grub after all. I will only have debian on this box |
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| 02:30.43 | abrotman | MikaSaloCarbonCh: ok |
| 02:31.08 | hogwash | help with ndis - is there a prebuilt install for 386? or do i have to compile it on the machine? |
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| 02:31.24 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper |
| 02:31.25 | dpkg | i heard ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 02:31.49 | remmy | can someone help me mount my drives? |
| 02:32.15 | remmy | ive read some stuff online but i cant figure it out |
| 02:32.21 | lur | uhm |
| 02:32.24 | abrotman | !vague |
| 02:32.24 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 02:32.40 | MikaSaloCarbonCh | abrotman: If I simple choose not to install GRUB on Debian installer process, boot will simple went Debian installation or it will do nothing? |
| 02:33.00 | abrotman | MikaSaloCarbonCh: afaik .. nothing |
| 02:33.02 | lur | hi, dpkg, want I should teach you proper english? |
| 02:33.06 | abrotman | but what do i know |
| 02:33.14 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 02:33.14 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 02:33.21 | lur | or shud i chang mi ways? |
| 02:33.26 | lur | 2 fit urs? |
| 02:33.41 | twink | grub or not, wouldn't you need a bootloader? am I missing something? |
| 02:33.45 | FabParma | i cant remember the command to reconfigure xfree at level 3. can u help me pls? |
| 02:33.47 | MikaSaloCarbonCh | abrotman: what should i do? |
| 02:33.55 | abrotman | install grub ? |
| 02:34.20 | Ox_King | how do i stop bnetd? |
| 02:34.41 | hogwash | dpkg - no drivers from netgear for ha501. would like to use it thought ndiswrapper- i downloaded a .GZ from packages.debian.org - just typed make and things are missing - like /usr/src/ndiswrapper-source.tar.bz2 - presumably all i need is the source from packages.debian.org? |
| 02:34.41 | dondelelcaro | Ox_King: with kill or similar. |
| 02:34.45 | dpkg | hogwash: I think you lost me on that one |
| 02:35.00 | Ox_King | dondelelcaro: it's not in the processes |
| 02:35.33 | dondelelcaro | Ox_King: if it's running, you can stop it with kill. If it's not, it's not running, so what's the problem? |
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| 02:36.17 | Ox_King | i told it to "stop" it said it stopped and yet everyone can still connect to it |
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| 02:36.42 | Mark62756 | hello |
| 02:36.50 | hogwash | 1. no drivers for a Netgear HA501. 2 downloaded ndiswapper-modules-i386-1.1-2.tar.gz 3. opened up and ran make (to execute the Makefile). 4. Errors - looking for /usr/src/ndiswrapper-source.tar.bz2 5. What do i do? get source from packages.debian.org or is there a simpler way to do it? |
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| 02:37.03 | dondelelcaro | Ox_King: then your init script is busted, and you can still stop it with kill. |
| 02:37.16 | sabin_ | i gotta say that faq-wiki page is great |
| 02:37.46 | Ox_King | so i just type kill bnetd? |
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| 02:38.09 | hogwash | dpkg? |
| 02:38.12 | finite42 | For dual-booting with Windows on off-the-shelf laptops, have anyone encoutered problems with the rescue disks not respecting partitions? |
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| 02:38.32 | doleyb | Ox_King: you could type killall bnetd, if you like. |
| 02:38.42 | dondelelcaro | Ox_King: man kill; man killall; man ps; |
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| 02:38.48 | Mark62756 | hey how would you make a module autoload on boot ? |
| 02:38.59 | Mark62756 | make a new initrd.img? |
| 02:39.02 | mdh | Mark62756: edit /etc/modules |
| 02:39.08 | Mark62756 | ahh thanks mdh |
| 02:39.31 | dondelelcaro | pidof may also be useful |
| 02:39.32 | remmy | will someone help me mount my C drive so i can access my windows files |
| 02:39.35 | abrotman | or use modconf |
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| 02:39.48 | benjamindees | wow, the qemu accelerator is fast, but not as fast as win4lin |
| 02:39.51 | twink | "the boring world of Niels Bohr" |
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| 02:39.59 | dondelelcaro | !tell remmy about read-ntfs |
| 02:40.00 | liable | hogwash: dpkg is a bot |
| 02:40.01 | Kupal[] | anyone recommend a FS that can replicate over the network for a maildir? |
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| 02:40.11 | hogwash | ah |
| 02:40.16 | hogwash | u sure? |
| 02:40.23 | twink | remmy: man mount |
| 02:40.24 | mdh | dpkg: botsnack |
| 02:40.27 | dondelelcaro | !what are you |
| 02:40.28 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 02:40.32 | sabin_ | anyone running sarge with 2.6 + udev? |
| 02:40.39 | hogwash | ah |
| 02:40.43 | dondelelcaro | Kupal[]: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 02:40.46 | hogwash | so can anyone help then? |
| 02:40.53 | Kupal[] | maildir replication |
| 02:40.57 | Kupal[] | rsync seems cludgy |
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| 02:41.02 | mdh | !botsnack |
| 02:41.04 | omniscient | !blootbot |
| 02:41.04 | dpkg | from memory, blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 02:41.09 | Cyano-Mobile | sabin_, me |
| 02:41.13 | finite42 | remmy, do you know on which partition the C drive is? |
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| 02:41.18 | dondelelcaro | Kupal[]: maildir replecation to what ends? |
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| 02:41.28 | Kupal[] | I have a second server |
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| 02:41.33 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 02:41.33 | Kupal[] | should the first fail |
| 02:41.34 | hogwash | 1. no drivers for a Netgear HA501. 2 downloaded ndiswapper-modules-i386-1.1-2.tar.gz 3. opened up and ran make (to execute the Makefile). 4. Errors - looking for /usr/src/ndiswrapper-source.tar.bz2 5. What do i do? get source from packages.debian.org or is there a simpler way to do it? |
| 02:41.34 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 02:41.49 | FieldySnuts | hogwash: get a real card |
| 02:41.50 | remmy | finite42, im not sure |
| 02:41.52 | Kupal[] | the second will takeover the mailserver. I want to make sure my imap stores are intact |
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| 02:42.07 | hogwash | well - right now i dont have one |
| 02:42.10 | hogwash | so is it possible? |
| 02:42.12 | dondelelcaro | Kupal[]: so you want backups and a secondary mailserver; replicating maildirs that way is often suboptimal. |
| 02:42.13 | hogwash | using ndis? |
| 02:42.25 | twink | remmy: which filesystem are you using on your c drive? |
| 02:42.27 | finite42 | remmy, do you have parted installed? |
| 02:42.27 | FieldySnuts | good luck getting support here for it due to the use of binary drivers |
| 02:42.49 | hogwash | what does that mean? |
| 02:42.49 | sabin_ | Cyano-Mobile, anything special i have to do (while booting i see that it fails to mount /dev as tmpfs, i compiled tmpfs) |
| 02:42.49 | remmy | twink, NTFS |
| 02:42.58 | Ox_King | dondelelcaro: thanks for the help :) |
| 02:43.00 | remmy | finite42, no |
| 02:43.01 | Kupal[] | dondelelcaro: exactly, rsync not good, dnotify just as good as pure rsync, inotify beta. which leaves me to wander if their is a FS that does this . |
| 02:43.12 | Kupal[] | sqlfs would through mysql replication but it too is way too beta. |
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| 02:43.31 | dondelelcaro | Kupal[]: your best bet is to use something like coda or openafs to do the replication |
| 02:43.51 | Cyano-Mobile | sabin_, I just used apt-get to install udev and hotplug they seem to work good together. |
| 02:43.51 | finite42 | remmy, what about cfdisk? |
| 02:43.57 | dondelelcaro | Kupal[]: the actual file system itself needs to be replicated; once that happens, the data that is being stored stops mattering |
| 02:43.58 | mdh | Kupal[]: you could just use an smtp transport on the first to duplicate everything on the second |
| 02:44.07 | remmy | ive added /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333$ |
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| 02:44.15 | dondelelcaro | mdh: that won't handle client modification of the maildirs |
| 02:44.26 | Kupal[] | mdh: i thought about that too but the deletes wouldn't replicate |
| 02:44.32 | twink | so you're sure it's /dev/hdd1? |
| 02:44.33 | mdh | true |
| 02:44.50 | Kupal[] | but rsync --delete would be better then rsync --avz |
| 02:45.04 | sabin_ | Cyano-Mobile, u using the prebuilt 2.6 kernel? |
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| 02:45.12 | Kupal[] | maybe even god would save someone's ass that way ;) |
| 02:45.19 | Deanodriver | hi |
| 02:45.28 | benjamindees | anybody know the name of those sites where you can band together to make purchases? |
| 02:45.31 | remmy | finite42, whats cfdisk? |
| 02:45.31 | Cyano-Mobile | sabin_, no |
| 02:45.34 | Deanodriver | anyone good with samba? |
| 02:45.37 | dondelelcaro | Kupal[]: rsync really is the wrong tool for this. A proper replicating network filesystem is. |
| 02:45.45 | abrotman | Deanodriver: #samba ? |
| 02:45.49 | Deanodriver | ok, thanks |
| 02:45.50 | Kupal[] | okay your me, coda or openafs? |
| 02:45.59 | remmy | finite42, i have hda1 thats windows and hda5 |
| 02:46.27 | Deanodriver | all i'm trying to do is mount a share as a folder, unsuccessfully :P |
| 02:46.33 | pipeline | Kupal[]: You could also look into GFS if you're feeling daring. I second the recommendation of AFS, though. |
| 02:46.45 | sabin_ | Cyano-Mobile, ok, well mine fails to mount /dev, thanks anyways i'll bother you when i think of better questions |
| 02:46.52 | Kupal[] | I sense a lot of work in the force. |
| 02:47.07 | dondelelcaro | Kupal[]: yes, none of these are turnkey solutions. |
| 02:47.12 | Kupal[] | raid5 + lfs + coda/ext3 okay im game ) |
| 02:47.39 | pipeline | Kupal[]: Come on, you know you want to try GFS. |
| 02:47.48 | pipeline | Kupal[]: It was open sourced literally a week or two ago :P |
| 02:47.48 | Kupal[] | pipeline: you know I want to |
| 02:48.13 | Kupal[] | pipeline: but GFS is meant for large files afaik |
| 02:48.17 | finite42 | remmy, try mount -ro /dev/hda1 -t FSTYPE /mnt/tmp (make sure /mnt/tmp exists). I know it is NTFS |
| 02:48.35 | Kupal[] | google file system or global file system |
| 02:48.58 | pipeline | Global filesystem |
| 02:49.06 | pipeline | I assume |
| 02:49.39 | magyar | does sarge have any webbased firewall beside webmin? |
| 02:49.43 | Kupal[] | im curious about xfs, i feel a virgince in the force coming for xfs |
| 02:50.22 | Kupal[] | im so tired of reading at this point, I know its time for more rtfm, I wander about the channels mood right about now :) |
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| 02:51.42 | Kupal[] | support for volumes upto 8gb insize? |
| 02:52.08 | pipeline | that's clearly a typo |
| 02:52.13 | Kupal[] | oh man, this is a personal mood breaker. |
| 02:52.20 | Kupal[] | http://www.openafs.org/doc/index.htm |
| 02:52.25 | j_k | since you're mentionning OpenAFS, do I need the 5 to 4 kerberos stuff to run it? |
| 02:52.47 | finite42 | remmy, I think you should use 'ntfs' as the FSTYPE. |
| 02:53.41 | Kupal[] | I hate these frames btw :) |
| 02:54.30 | remmy | finite42, i keep getting the mount options |
| 02:54.54 | remmy | mount -ro /dev/hda1 -t ntfs /mnt/tmp |
| 02:55.04 | Kupal[] | dondelelcaro: so what have you been upto? |
| 02:55.42 | mdh | remmy: mount -tntfs -r /dev/hda1 /mnt/tmp |
| 02:55.53 | finite42 | remmy, I do not have an NTFS partition handy, other wise I would have tried it. I suspect... |
| 02:55.57 | mdh | remmy: assuming /mnt/tmp exists of course |
| 02:56.17 | twink | is mount getting tripped up because it should be "mount [options] device mount point"? |
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| 02:56.33 | remmy | mdh, i created it, that seems to have worked... no error anyway |
| 02:56.37 | mdh | twink: that's one part, yes. the other is that -ro is not a valid option |
| 02:56.39 | remmy | mdh, how do i check it now? |
| 02:56.58 | Kupal[] | mdh: how would you re-transmit through a smtp channel within postfix? |
| 02:57.03 | finite42 | remmy, mdh is right. 'ro' is not the right option. |
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| 02:57.16 | mdh | twink: -r means to mount readonly, -o means to add some options (which weren't given) |
| 02:57.27 | Kupal[] | mdh: nm, the indexes wouldn't be the same.. |
| 02:57.49 | finite42 | remmy, It should be "-o ro" or "-r". Sorry about the blunder on my part. |
| 02:58.17 | mdh | Kupal[]: there's a number of ways, the "best" is possibly using the transport table |
| 02:58.39 | remmy | finite, mdh, i have 3 HD's under my devices, hda1(mnt/hda1) hda1(mnt/tmp) hda5(/) none of them display my windows files |
| 02:58.44 | mdh | remmy: cd /mnt/tmp && ls -lR |
| 02:59.20 | finite42 | remmy, I suggested using the read-only option, just to be safe. I don't know if NTFS write support is perfect yet. |
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| 03:00.03 | finite42 | remmy, Is that what mount command says, when you call it without any options? |
| 03:00.34 | Kupal[] | mdh: in the transport table how could i specfy two locations? |
| 03:00.39 | remmy | finite42, how do i copy paste out of eterm? |
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| 03:01.28 | netcat | remmy: hilite with left button, paste with middle button... |
| 03:01.31 | finite42 | remmy, select the whole output and paste with middle click (but *not* here) |
| 03:01.41 | finite42 | remmy, join #flood and paste there. |
| 03:01.44 | remmy | finite42, i get /dev/hda5 on type ext3 (rw,error=remount-ro) |
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| 03:02.14 | finite42 | Is that the only entry that shows? |
| 03:02.57 | mdh | Kupal[]: something like "* smtp:machine1.dom" and "* smtp:machine2.dom" |
| 03:02.58 | migma | quit\ |
| 03:03.05 | Kupal[] | hmm.. |
| 03:03.13 | remmy | debian:/mnt/tmp# mount |
| 03:03.13 | remmy | /dev/hda5 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 03:03.13 | remmy | proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 03:03.13 | remmy | sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) |
| 03:03.13 | remmy | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
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| 03:03.14 | Kupal[] | really the best solution is turning out to be sql |
| 03:03.42 | Kupal[] | but that higherlevel replacement will mean a few days of me crying blood :) |
| 03:03.49 | mdh | :) |
| 03:03.57 | mdh | can something like courier backend to mysql? |
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| 03:04.04 | mdh | or postgresql or whatever your pref is |
| 03:04.06 | Kupal[] | but then I wouldn't need to worry about Inodes .. which makes me horny .. |
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| 03:04.18 | remmy | wow can you beleive im that stupid |
| 03:04.19 | remmy | i cant |
| 03:04.20 | Kupal[] | someone in postgress just told me it may be possible with cyrus |
| 03:04.23 | remmy | i can* |
| 03:04.24 | remmy | lol |
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| 03:04.32 | Kupal[] | remmy what? |
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| 03:04.37 | finite42 | remmy, don't worry. Just post on #flood |
| 03:04.39 | bob2 | you can do it with courier |
| 03:04.41 | bob2 | it's simple |
| 03:04.48 | bob2 | tho dovecot is more awesome |
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| 03:05.05 | Kupal[] | dovecot? |
| 03:05.22 | hogwash | has anyone built madwifi? |
| 03:05.23 | bob2 | the hippest, most stree-smart pop3/imap4 server around |
| 03:05.34 | finite42 | remmy, It seems that you have your NTFS partition mounted properly. |
| 03:05.39 | Kupal[] | anygood web ifaces for user administration? |
| 03:05.44 | deadcat | i have a link "http://blah.com:8081" which is a jpg format. how do i use that with <img src= ? |
| 03:05.45 | bob2 | nope |
| 03:05.47 | karsten | bob2: But does it get jiggy? |
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| 03:05.52 | remmy | finite42, do i have to restart? |
| 03:05.56 | Kupal[] | see a novice has to admin this |
| 03:05.57 | deadcat | hogwash: sure |
| 03:05.57 | finite42 | remmy, see the line /dev/hda1 on /mnt/tmp type ntfs (ro) |
| 03:06.00 | hogwash | how do i know if i have kernal sources in my debian desktop install? |
| 03:06.03 | bob2 | deadcat: just like that. |
| 03:06.05 | Kupal[] | what is so good about dovecot? |
| 03:06.09 | deadcat | bob2: doesnt work |
| 03:06.17 | Kupal[] | besides it being the bomb baby :) |
| 03:06.18 | finite42 | remmy, No. When you restart, the system will unmount the NTFS drive. |
| 03:06.21 | stew | hogwash: you don't need kernel sources for madwifi |
| 03:06.23 | bob2 | deadcat: remember, the browser gets the filetype from the http server, not from the extension |
| 03:06.23 | karsten | deadcat: Full URL. |
| 03:06.31 | remmy | finite42, yes i see that line |
| 03:06.34 | stew | hogwash: /msg dpkg madwifi install |
| 03:06.44 | remmy | finite42, the line with errors means nothing? |
| 03:06.45 | finite42 | remmy, and since you mounted it manually, it probably would not mount automatically. |
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| 03:07.00 | deadcat | oh i forgot that blah.com:8081 is blocked. so i have to read the output of actually localhost:8081 to my port80 |
| 03:07.02 | stew | hogwash: err /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 03:07.16 | Kupal[] | bob2: can you possible, offer some material with courier + sql storage ? |
| 03:07.16 | hogwash | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.17 | finite42 | remmy, The line with errors=remount is an option (telling it what to do if errors occur) |
| 03:07.22 | stew | !dpkg madwifi install is <reply> see madwifi-install |
| 03:07.22 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 03:07.28 | remmy | finite42, ah |
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| 03:07.40 | finite42 | remmy, Have you tried ls /mnt/tmp? |
| 03:07.51 | hogwash | stew - that last one didn't work ither |
| 03:07.57 | bob2 | Kupal[]: |
| 03:07.59 | bob2 | Kupal[]: http://kirby.insanegenius.net/postfix.html |
| 03:08.02 | hogwash | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.04 | stew | !tell hogwash about madwifi install |
| 03:08.16 | Kupal[] | sql courier leaves you to a lot of docs :) |
| 03:08.19 | remmy | finite42, it lists all my windows files |
| 03:08.30 | finite42 | remmy, There you are. |
| 03:08.36 | stew | hogwash: you were putting an extra space at before the / |
| 03:08.43 | Kupal[] | bob2: uses maildir .. not the same thing |
| 03:08.43 | deadcat | karsten: i have port 80 open to public, port 8081 is only via localhost:8081, i want my page on port 80 to display the image localhost:8081 to the public |
| 03:08.51 | twink | have you put it in /etc/fstab? |
| 03:08.55 | hogwash | ah |
| 03:09.02 | abrotman | shouldn't everyone use maildir ? |
| 03:09.10 | hogwash | okay - i got that.. but how can i install from http: if i dont have wireless? |
| 03:09.13 | Kupal[] | talking about storing the actual mail in sql.. not the configs .. |
| 03:09.21 | hogwash | i need to download the files first |
| 03:09.23 | finite42 | remmy, If you want it to be mounted automatically on startup, you should add it to /etc/fstab, as twink has mentioned. |
| 03:09.30 | remmy | finite42, it says i do not have permission to read it? |
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| 03:09.57 | gfdsgfds | anyone know how to automatically refresh a iframe? |
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| 03:10.09 | Kupal[] | metarefresh |
| 03:10.09 | twink | remmy: have you set up sudo yet? |
| 03:10.19 | remmy | twink, no whats sudo? |
| 03:10.19 | stew | hogwash: you need to get madwifi-source module-assistant the kernel-headers for your kernel and build-essential from somwhere can be the net or it could be a cd |
| 03:10.20 | cheal | is it normal that while both dmesg and /var/log/messages mention oom-killer info, /var/log/messages doesn't have the "Out of Memory: Killed process..." lines? |
| 03:10.21 | Kupal[] | gfdsgfds: better ask in #web or #php better solutions there |
| 03:10.23 | finite42 | remmy, Did you try to access it using nautilus/konqeror or something? |
| 03:10.24 | abrotman | twink: what about wisconsin ? |
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| 03:10.33 | gfdsgfds | thanks Kupal[] |
| 03:10.36 | Kupal[] | yep |
| 03:10.47 | remmy | finite42,yeah konq |
| 03:11.05 | remmy | finite42, this line looks good? /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333 |
| 03:11.12 | mdh | Kupal[]: most of the "big" ones (courier, cyrus, dovecot, etc) will backend authentication and mailbox config to (sql, ldap, etc) but not storage :( |
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| 03:11.22 | finite42 | remmy, I presume you are running your desktop as a regular user. |
| 03:11.24 | mdh | maybe that's a project for you ;) |
| 03:11.29 | twink | abrotman: it just seemed like a lot of people were making references to wisconsin earlier so i was wondering if badgers were in this channel |
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| 03:11.37 | finite42 | remmy, It seems that your fstab entry is good. |
| 03:11.46 | abrotman | twink: badgerbadgerbadger.com |
| 03:11.48 | stew | !seen badgers |
| 03:11.50 | dpkg | badgers <badgers@sussudio.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 36d 17h 48m 52s ago, saying: 'Yes, sussudio, you're still online.'. |
| 03:11.58 | hogwash | stew: might this be on the debian cds? |
| 03:12.00 | remmy | finite42, yeah i always do |
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| 03:12.07 | cddesjar | anyone have a fav. window manager to recommend? i have tried fluxbox, window maker, ICE, and enlightenment |
| 03:12.18 | deadcat | cddesjar: openbox? |
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| 03:12.23 | mdh | cddesjar: pekwm |
| 03:12.32 | jetx | icewm if ICE is different |
| 03:12.38 | mdh | cddesjar: and ion3/pwm3 |
| 03:12.45 | jetx | heck i'm kinda liking kde atm |
| 03:12.53 | cddesjar | i'll no icewm is what i ment by ice |
| 03:12.59 | _joey | DDR400 is this PC-3200 400Mhz ? |
| 03:13.02 | finite42 | remmy, See the part that says gid=24,uid=1001, That uid must be set to your regular user ID. |
| 03:13.07 | deadcat | jetx: the brother was talking about WM not DM |
| 03:13.31 | stew | hogwash: no, madwifi is not part of debian, dunno why not |
| 03:13.52 | jetx | !madwifi-install |
| 03:13.53 | dpkg | it has been said that madwifi-install is to install madwifi drivers built against the Debian standard kernel builds for sarge/sid, add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 03:14.01 | stew | hogwash: everything but madwifi will be on the debian cds |
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| 03:15.09 | finite42 | remmy, I think so. (I am just guessing here.) I don't know what your UID is. But 1001 sounds like a typical initial UID. |
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| 03:15.36 | remmy | finite42, i just took that from a tutorial ive read |
| 03:15.46 | jetx | 1000 is the first one |
| 03:15.48 | hogwash | stew: I downloaded the GZ snap shot from http://madwifi.sourceforge.net/ - is this correct?" |
| 03:16.06 | jetx | 1001 would be the second (assuming you didn't change it or specify a different) |
| 03:16.13 | remmy | jetx, the first would be admin... no? |
| 03:16.14 | finite42 | remmy, I do not know the security implications of posting UIDs anywhere public, if any (I don't know). |
| 03:16.17 | jetx | no |
| 03:16.20 | jetx | root is 0 |
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| 03:16.34 | jetx | the first users start at 1000 by default |
| 03:16.49 | finite42 | remmy, anyway, don't use your real one (I don't know if it makes any difference). |
| 03:17.02 | jetx | is this the vfat factoid? |
| 03:17.11 | jetx | or ntfs? |
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| 03:17.39 | stew | hogwash: that is one way to do it, not the debian way, though, to do it with that source you also will need to get kernel source, configure the kernel and build it, /msg dpkg kp |
| 03:17.46 | jetx | i use my real one |
| 03:17.50 | finite42 | remmy, you can find your UID by typing 'id -u username' |
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| 03:18.15 | jetx | i made the factoids too, but the vfat one was refined by somebody else it used to look like the ntfs one |
| 03:18.46 | remmy | finite42, alright perfect, so when i restart my user will have access to it? |
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| 03:18.51 | KarlosII | oops |
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| 03:19.21 | KarlosII | synaptic I take it got borked |
| 03:19.30 | KarlosII | in sid |
| 03:19.33 | twink | I should try to force the wisconsin alumni down the street to look at badgerbadgerbadger.com |
| 03:19.34 | finite42 | remmy, you do not need to restart. |
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| 03:20.04 | finite42 | remmy, just unmount /mn/tmp as root. Then issue the command mount /mnt/tmp as your regular user. |
| 03:20.09 | nomasteryoda|w | where can i find some good sources.list s |
| 03:20.09 | jetx | dunno, dselect internals are > * |
| 03:20.22 | abrotman | apt-setup |
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| 03:20.54 | finite42 | remmy, if you want other users on your system to access the NTFS partition, it would be a better idea to create a group... |
| 03:21.03 | abrotman | nomasteryoda|w: apt-setup |
| 03:21.13 | nomasteryoda|w | abrotman, thanks |
| 03:21.17 | KarlosII | http://pastebin.com/305026 |
| 03:21.28 | finite42 | remmy, ... and add group's group id to the gid= part. |
| 03:21.30 | remmy | finite42, it says the device is busy but i dont have it open... can i kill it? |
| 03:21.52 | finite42 | remmy, you might be in that directory |
| 03:21.54 | remmy | finite42, im the only one who uses my computer |
| 03:22.02 | finite42 | remmy, in the console section. |
| 03:22.27 | finite42 | remmy, then forget the group thing that I just told you, Let us keep it simple. |
| 03:22.57 | hogwash | stew: so going the debian way i need: 1. madwifi-source 2. module-assistant 3. the kernel-headers for your kernel 4. build-essential |
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| 03:22.59 | remmy | finite42, i like simple =P |
| 03:23.03 | finite42 | remmy, the easiest solution is to exit your root shell and start a new one. Or just log out and re-login. |
| 03:23.22 | remmy | finite42, yeah thats what i just did |
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| 03:23.52 | finite42 | remmy, So, it works then? |
| 03:24.43 | stew | hogwash: yes |
| 03:24.45 | remmy | finite42, not as a regular user |
| 03:24.54 | hogwash | thanks |
| 03:24.58 | deadcat | i have a logitech 3000 webcam using pwc, wondering if sound works on the sob or not |
| 03:24.58 | hogwash | appreciate the help! |
| 03:24.59 | stew | hogwash: kernel-headers-$(uname-r) to be more specific |
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| 03:25.05 | stew | hogwash: you're welcome |
| 03:25.17 | jetx | kernel-headers-`uname -r` functions also |
| 03:25.24 | finite42 | remmy, Did you add your uid to that line in /etc/fstab? |
| 03:25.53 | remmy | finite42, it has the same error for su, "mount: can't find mnt/tmp in etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" |
| 03:26.01 | hikenboot | hello all i am having trouble understanding what is wanted in this command can anyone just type an example for me...for instance --revision and kernel-image are the terms i am not sure what would be placed in it fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version -486 --initrd \ |
| 03:26.01 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.20 | finite42 | remmy, sorry to sound inane, but just check /etc/fstab that the line exists in that file. Maybe, you forgot to save it. |
| 03:26.47 | jetx | /dev/hda1/mnt/hda1autoro,users,noexec,noauto,gid=24,uid=1000,fmask=0113,dmask=000200 |
| 03:26.57 | jetx | functions here |
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| 03:27.25 | jetx | hikenboot: i'm not sure about the --revision part, i never use it... |
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| 03:27.36 | finite42 | remmy, if you do not like using a console editor (I don't), open a gui text editor as root (just that one). |
| 03:28.07 | remmy | finite42, dont feel bad im an idiot, i only have the hda1 line saved in fstab and when i, "mount /mnt/hda1" i get " mount: mount point /mnt/hda1 does not exist |
| 03:28.11 | positrix | whats a good terminal emulator? and by good i mean pretty |
| 03:28.19 | remmy | finite42, i use nano |
| 03:28.20 | jetx | mkdir /mnt/hda1 |
| 03:28.28 | Kupal[] | anyone use dbmail? |
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| 03:28.37 | jetx | chown user:group /mnt/hda1 |
| 03:28.43 | finite42 | remmy, run as few programs as the root user. I am pretty sure you have heard the lecture over and over :-) |
| 03:28.57 | trave11er | hikenboot: that line is fine |
| 03:29.01 | jetx | mount it |
| 03:29.35 | finite42 | remmy, can I see your etc/fstab line. Post it in #flood |
| 03:29.42 | trave11er | hikenboot: argument to revision option is any string ending in number, it will become part of a deb name |
| 03:29.46 | jetx | make it nano -w btw |
| 03:29.56 | trave11er | hikenboot: and kernel_image is the instruction to build the kernel image |
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| 03:30.07 | hogwash | stew: What is build-essential for? |
| 03:30.15 | jetx | !be |
| 03:30.16 | dpkg | i heard be is Beryllium. Belgium, or the company who made BeOS |
| 03:30.21 | jetx | !b-e |
| 03:30.22 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 03:30.33 | stew | hogwash: it pulls in c compiler and c libraries and stuff /msg dpkg depends build-essential |
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| 03:30.38 | jetx | !info build-essential |
| 03:30.41 | dpkg | build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 03:31.02 | Kupal[] | dondelelcaro: looks like i found an answer : dbmail looks really really good. |
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| 03:31.36 | finite42 | remmy, do you remember that you created /mnt/tmp? |
| 03:32.01 | remmy | finite42, yeah, jetx told me to mkdir hda1 and now it works |
| 03:32.05 | remmy | finite42, w00t |
| 03:32.12 | hogwash | stew: So can i go to package.debian.org and download these then use apt-get install <foo> to install them? |
| 03:32.25 | remmy | finite42, now i dont have to re download my mp3's = ) |
| 03:32.37 | stew | hogwash: if you download them locally you use dpkg -i /path/to/blah.deb to install them |
| 03:33.02 | stew | hogwash: you have no other way than wireless to get this machine on the network? |
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| 03:33.25 | hogwash | nope - it's an old Dell Insipiron 3800 - no NIC |
| 03:33.30 | finite42 | remmy, good to know it works. thanks to jetx. |
| 03:33.35 | Fleish | howdy all - have a sarge upgrade problem |
| 03:33.42 | hogwash | i gotta download, then burn to CD, then run dpkg |
| 03:33.45 | bob2 | Kupal[]: why would you want mbox? |
| 03:33.45 | remmy | finite42, thanks to you too man. Thanks alot |
| 03:33.53 | finite42 | jetx, do you have any experience with laptops? |
| 03:33.59 | Fleish | upgrade from woody & my custom sendmail/openprotect installation stopped working |
| 03:34.01 | finite42 | remmy, no problem. |
| 03:34.02 | bob2 | Fleish: after reading the upgrade notes? |
| 03:34.14 | hogwash | it's an interesting learning experience nonetheless |
| 03:34.15 | Fleish | seems it's not reading things out of the incoming mqueue |
| 03:34.23 | bob2 | Fleish: did that involve replacing any files from the sendmail package? |
| 03:34.38 | Fleish | bob2: oh yeah - installed my development boxes first too that didn't seem to cause any problems, but i'm not using openprotect there |
| 03:34.45 | Fleish | bob2: I held sendmail back |
| 03:34.49 | jetx | i found a laptop once in the parking lot of a computer repair shop finite42 , it makes a great doorstop.. :( what's wrong |
| 03:34.56 | remmy | finite42, is it possible to resize my partitions now? i primarly use linux even tho im a newb.. but my windows partition is huge and im running outa room over here |
| 03:34.56 | bob2 | ok, dunno then |
| 03:34.57 | Fleish | so the new package wouldn't overwrite any of my files |
| 03:35.07 | finite42 | jetx, LoL |
| 03:35.18 | jetx | ah |
| 03:35.19 | Kupal[] | bob2: dbmail uses mysql |
| 03:35.21 | jetx | xp? |
| 03:35.25 | Kupal[] | bob2: it doesn't use mbox? |
| 03:35.36 | jetx | i've heard it replaces the bootloader |
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| 03:35.59 | jetx | no idea, was gonna find out soonish though, when i get around to it |
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| 03:36.02 | hogwash | stew: you mentioned that all but madwifi are on the debian CDs - how do i find out which ones they are on? |
| 03:36.05 | finite42 | remmy, I believe it is not possible to resize it. |
| 03:36.33 | jetx | safest way to resize is copy all the data somewhere else |
| 03:36.35 | finite42 | remmy, the problem is that you can only resize at the end of the partition. And the Linux partition comes after your windows partition. |
| 03:36.49 | jetx | and just make it all new again |
| 03:36.51 | finite42 | remmy, however, there is another way. |
| 03:37.02 | remmy | finite42, dont say partiton magic |
| 03:37.16 | jetx | btw, always back up the data before you play with the hard drive like that |
| 03:37.23 | finite42 | remmy, I do not know how to go about it, but you can resize NTFS, again from the end, but.. |
| 03:37.59 | Kupal[] | i really wish database schemas where internationalized |
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| 03:38.07 | remmy | jetx, would i have to reinstall linux.. or can you just copy it? |
| 03:38.09 | Kupal[] | i think i should start up isodatabase.com |
| 03:38.11 | finite42 | remmy, ... [ Windows | Linux ] => [ Windows | Linux | Linux ] |
| 03:38.37 | stew | hogwash: the madwifi-install factoid has a source for madwifi-source |
| 03:38.41 | Kupal[] | cause two things using two different databases that are essentially the same if fuckinridiculous. |
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| 03:38.58 | finite42 | remmy, then you can remount the new Linux partition as your /home partition (although it is not straighforward). |
| 03:39.08 | deadcat | hogwash: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/madwifi.sh |
| 03:39.10 | Ox_King | how would i go about changing a file-system from read-only back to RW? |
| 03:39.21 | remmy | finite42, howabout.. changing os's on paritions.. moving windows to the smaller one. Could i format the larger partition.. move my linux and reinstall windows on the smaller of the two? |
| 03:39.26 | deadcat | hogwash: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/madwifi co madwifi |
| 03:39.36 | Fleish | one more lilo question, my lilo throws a fatal error: Fatal: open /dev/sda: No such device or address |
| 03:39.41 | nomasteryoda|w | ok, so where can i get ATI drivers for my system using apt? |
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| 03:39.52 | Fleish | but i'm booting of a raid1 mirrored device (md0 say) |
| 03:39.58 | Kupal[] | hogwash: that you, you brazilian genius :) |
| 03:39.59 | pipeline | nomasteryoda|w: It's never that easy. |
| 03:40.03 | Fleish | will it still boot off sdb |
| 03:40.05 | nomasteryoda|w | pipeline, lol |
| 03:40.06 | nomasteryoda|w | k |
| 03:40.07 | finite42 | remmy, Moving you stuff over to the windows partition is not equal to installing it. |
| 03:40.11 | nomasteryoda|w | was wishing |
| 03:40.22 | pipeline | nomasteryoda|w: You can get nvidia drivers the easy way :P |
| 03:40.34 | nomasteryoda|w | yea |
| 03:40.36 | nomasteryoda|w | i love nvidia |
| 03:40.45 | nomasteryoda|w | this old system has a 64mb ati |
| 03:40.53 | nomasteryoda|w | radeon or some such |
| 03:40.55 | remmy | finite42, so you have to reinstall linux.. just like windows? |
| 03:40.58 | pipeline | nomasteryoda|w: How old? It might be old enough that it can use open source drivers. |
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| 03:41.05 | nomasteryoda|w | yea, not sure |
| 03:41.06 | finite42 | remmy, I think the simplest solution, would be to re-install linux, and the next time, take a bigger hunk from the windows partition. |
| 03:41.16 | hogwash | kupal[]: huh? no |
| 03:41.17 | pipeline | nomasteryoda|w: 8500, 9100, 9200, 9250 and a few older can use the open source "radeon" driver |
| 03:41.22 | Fleish | question 2 being:are there instructions to downgrade from sarge to woody? |
| 03:41.36 | Kupal[] | hogwash: your name after the package hogwash ? |
| 03:41.37 | remmy | finite42, i guess trial and error is the only way to learn |
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| 03:41.42 | finite42 | remmy, but as I said, if you are willing to read the right howto's you don't need to re-install linux. |
| 03:42.09 | nomasteryoda|w | Radeon 7200] |
| 03:42.13 | nomasteryoda|w | Radeon 7200 |
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| 03:42.25 | gravity | Fleish: Not recommended |
| 03:42.29 | finite42 | remmy, Yep. one way to, probably the most interesting way to. However, one could make the process more efficient by reading and preparing ahead... |
| 03:42.46 | gravity | Fleish: Very difficult, even if you know what you're doing |
| 03:42.52 | hogwash | stew: madwifi-install factoid - I am not sure what this means |
| 03:42.57 | remmy | finite42, im young and stupid first |
| 03:43.06 | finite42 | remmy, ... but of course, it is not as much fun; hey, I myself didn't--wiped out my entire drive in my first attempt. |
| 03:43.21 | stew | hogwash: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 03:43.34 | jetx | remmy: just copy it, but not the funny dirs like /proc or /sys or whatever |
| 03:43.43 | Fleish | gravity: i'm pretty debian savvy . . . but i've never had to to downgrade b4 |
| 03:43.49 | remmy | lol |
| 03:43.53 | Fleish | i've got a box in a really bad state now |
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| 03:43.54 | jetx | cp -a functions |
| 03:44.05 | Fleish | and i'm not sure if i reboot i'll get it back and it's remote |
| 03:44.07 | jetx | !downgrade |
| 03:44.08 | dpkg | downgrade is, like, not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 03:44.41 | gravity | Fleish: Honestly, you can't be that Debian savvy if you think downgrading is a good idea :-) |
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| 03:45.03 | jetx | Fleish: easier imo to just back up /home and some stuff in /etc and whatever and reinstalll |
| 03:45.08 | finite42 | remmy, what I have found is that I always learned in pieces; the first round I learn some bits; the next time I do it again later, I get newer insights. |
| 03:45.18 | Fleish | gravity: heh, i didn't say i thought it was a good idea :) |
| 03:45.19 | jetx | Fleish: plus you get rid of kruft that way |
| 03:45.22 | gravity | heh |
| 03:45.44 | Fleish | yeah, problem is I don't have access to the console anymore |
| 03:45.58 | hogwash | stew: Ahhhhhh... duh!... now i understand! |
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| 03:46.19 | bungopolis | I'm going to be configuring an Opteron (AMD64) server system.I know AMD64 is not in the official branch yet -- is it possible to install as x86 and later upgrade to an AMD64 kernel and packages, or do I need to install from the AMD64 beta disc? |
| 03:46.42 | pipeline | bungopolis: You probably want to stick to i386 for the time beign. |
| 03:46.48 | trave11er | Fleish: make a woody chroot |
| 03:46.52 | Fleish | at this point i'm even scared to reboot to rid bunch of defunct sendmail procs b/c my raid1 is missing the primary drive & am not sure lilo will properly boot |
| 03:46.57 | pipeline | bungopolis: multi-arch support (i.e. having both i386 and amd64 trees in the same system) isn't quite there yet |
| 03:47.00 | bungopolis | pipeline -- and I can upgrade later fairly easily? |
| 03:47.10 | bungopolis | that is what I was planning to do |
| 03:47.22 | beauty | low |
| 03:47.29 | bungopolis | I'm just hoping I don't have to actually re-install from scratch |
| 03:47.33 | bungopolis | to upgrade to AMD64 |
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| 03:48.15 | Ox_King | how would i go about changing a file-system from read-only back to RW? |
| 03:48.31 | mwilson | grrr... whereinhell does cups keep the config information you set with the browser? |
| 03:48.32 | finite42 | Anyone have a link to resource on running linux on laptops? Googling brings up loads of nonsense and pages talking about 33 MHz CPUs and 512 M hard drives. |
| 03:48.54 | pipeline | finite42: Linux works on most laptops. Older laptops frequently work better. |
| 03:49.30 | beauty | low |
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| 03:49.32 | finite42 | pipeline, thanks. Anything about a newer off-the-shelf laptop, say Dell? |
| 03:49.50 | jetx | hogwash: man kernel-pkg.conf ... or is it kernel-img.conf ... it's one of those |
| 03:50.04 | Natman | finite42: I run Debian on a Inspiron 600m... works good. |
| 03:50.18 | pipeline | finite42: It's pretty hit or miss. Older laptops have APM as well as ACPI, which is BIOS-controlled power management. Newer laptops only have ACPI, OS-controlled power management, which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. |
| 03:50.19 | Cyano-Mobile | if you have a newer laptop I suggest the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 03:50.30 | pipeline | finite42: I would suggest you look up a specific model using google. There's no comprehensive list anywhere |
| 03:50.38 | Cyano-Mobile | linux works great on my new laptop |
| 03:50.56 | Fleish | ox: mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint |
| 03:50.58 | bungopolis | IBM (and Lenovo) laptops are really your best bet for Linux compatibility |
| 03:50.59 | finite42 | Natman, pipeline, is there any problems when it comes to rescue-disks not honoring partions? |
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| 03:51.02 | pipeline | finite42: Most laptops work most of the time, but some have gotchas and some require some tweaking. The biggest "gotcha" is wireless. Most wireless cards just don't work. |
| 03:51.18 | cplusdebian | is tasm not there by default in fc3 |
| 03:51.19 | bungopolis | Apple is also very stable (bar the Airport extreme) |
| 03:51.23 | cplusdebian | sorry debian |
| 03:51.24 | cplusdebian | sarge |
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| 03:51.38 | finite42 | Natman, especially Dell. (I have seen my sister's HP desktop do it). |
| 03:51.51 | bungopolis | also -- HP is beginning to offer official support (Ubuntu, a Debian derivative) for Linux in Europe and Japan, and eventually the US, one hopes. |
| 03:51.53 | Natman | finite42: As in the Dell supplied disks? Never used 'em... but repartitioning is safe. (I left the diagnositics partition alone, in case I want to use it) |
| 03:52.04 | cplusdebian | is there a way to specify perl softwares to install locally |
| 03:52.22 | finite42 | Natman, thanks. |
| 03:52.28 | Natman | np |
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| 03:53.36 | finite42 | pipeline, thanks for the info. But, the regular ethernet should generally be okey? |
| 03:53.45 | Ox_King | Fleish: it says: mount: can't find /mountpoint in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
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| 03:54.12 | alejandro | español |
| 03:54.14 | Inv_arp | for sarge how many cd's are need for standard php/web server/ftp |
| 03:54.22 | pipeline | finite42: Yeah. |
| 03:54.36 | Natman | finite42: maybe... I have a Broadcom NIC on mine. So I had to get a binary-only driver from their site. |
| 03:54.39 | pipeline | finite42: the hardware itself, just loading and booting, isn't a problem anymore |
| 03:56.15 | finite42 | pipeline, well, that is mostly what I want, just the lowest common stuff (basics, and X) sound, wireless etc. not important. |
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| 03:57.22 | finite42 | pipeline, I want a laptop to be used as 'windows' machine primarily, but also being able to use linux when needed is kind-of important to me... |
| 03:57.28 | xydarcher | loop for "Loading /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz" when i install debian, is it a bug? |
| 03:58.16 | finite42 | pipeline, ...when I am away from home. Cool. Thanks pipeline, thanks Natman. |
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| 03:58.46 | JeffH | anyone know where I can find a good howto for configuring apache2 to use https? |
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| 03:59.11 | pipeline | JeffH: The apache documentation is quite good. Better than any howto is going to be, anyway. |
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| 03:59.31 | JeffH | pipe: cool. I'll take a look. |
| 04:00.09 | Fleish | ox_king: you need to replace /mountpoint with the path to the mountpoint you are internested in |
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| 04:02.13 | xydarcher | hi does any one meet this before? |
| 04:02.26 | bobibleyboo | does anybody know when/if gnome 2.10 is going to make it in to testing? |
| 04:02.55 | pilgrim | Hi all. Someone told me a command (netstat) tht shows the open ports on my machine and which PID is running them. However, I forgot the arguments to netstat, can someone help out? |
| 04:02.55 | bungopolis | so pipeline -- were you saying that I _would_ be able to do a smooth upgrade from x86 to AMD64 once it becomes an official branch? |
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| 04:03.22 | finite42 | pipeline, Natman, I just found a listing of experiences with Dell on linux-on-laptops dot com. Interesting links. |
| 04:03.27 | bungopolis | pilgrim, try `man netstat` to see all possible arguments |
| 04:03.40 | finite42 | pipeline, Natman. Thanks again and bye. |
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| 04:03.52 | qazix | pilgrim: try netstat -tunlp |
| 04:03.53 | pilgrim | bungopolis, already didn't, but didn't get too far, it list a whole bunch of stuff. |
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| 04:04.03 | pilgrim | qazix, I think that's it :D |
| 04:04.07 | pilgrim | qazix, thanks |
| 04:04.11 | qazix | np |
| 04:04.44 | pipeline | bungopolis: I can't tell you. Branches are one thing, multi-arch support is quite another. |
| 04:05.01 | pipeline | bungopolis: multi-arch is supposed to make its way into debian in etch. That was one of the goals for the next release. We'll see what happens. |
| 04:05.04 | tobs | netstat -plunt |
| 04:05.06 | bungopolis | pipeline, I wont want to run two archs at once, just run x86 until AMD64 becomes official |
| 04:05.20 | hogwash | !build-essential |
| 04:05.21 | pipeline | bungopolis: Upgrading between two architectures involves multi-arch support. |
| 04:05.34 | bungopolis | ok i guess that makes sense :) |
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| 04:06.11 | pipeline | bungopolis: You can sortof avoid a complete reinstall later on down the line with chroot, pivot_root, and some debootstrap tomfoolery :P |
| 04:06.18 | pipeline | bungopolis: Just don't worry about it is what I'm really saying. |
| 04:06.33 | bungopolis | yeah i'll run x86 for now and see what happens later on, thanks |
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| 04:06.53 | pilgrim | qazix, so when I do "netstat -tunlp" and if I get many things, this is a bad thing security wise, right? |
| 04:07.19 | qazix | pilgrim: if they're listening on 0.0.0.0 instead of 127.0.0.1, possibly. |
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| 04:07.36 | pilgrim | qazix, but 127.0.0.1 is fine? |
| 04:07.42 | qazix | pilgrim: yes |
| 04:07.44 | tobs | it's local |
| 04:08.30 | qazix | remote machines can't connect if they're listening on 127.0.0.1, but people and processes on your box can |
| 04:09.13 | pilgrim | Thanks guys. |
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| 04:09.48 | hogwash | stew: how do i find where each of these packages are on the cds? |
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| 04:13.16 | douglas | one of my boxes appears to be sending out virus spam .. uninstalled exims, watching netstat for port 25 connections.. any advice on hwo to fix this? |
| 04:13.57 | douglas | i have the common lynksys router -- could i filter these outgoing connections somehow in its setup? |
| 04:14.08 | hardcampa- | douglas do a ps aux and check if there are wierd processes running. Like if you got a process called init that's not PID 1 etc |
| 04:14.25 | douglas | k.. |
| 04:14.40 | hardcampa- | douglas just mentioned that as I've had that => darnit |
| 04:14.52 | douglas | there is one windows box, but scans are showing it's clean. Odds are it's the windows box? |
| 04:15.01 | hardcampa- | heh yeah |
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| 04:15.53 | douglas | ok well i check the ps's like you said and shut down the windows box to see if the flow stops |
| 04:16.18 | doleyb | douglas: have you run chkrootkit? |
| 04:16.31 | douglas | nope, .. i'll apt it in now |
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| 04:17.21 | douglas | The attached files are in windows format -- that'd point the finger at the win box even more, right? |
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| 04:18.06 | doleyb | douglas: you know technically, a scan run on a compromised box can't be trusted to report honestly. |
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| 04:18.32 | doleyb | douglas: the virus can recognize the scanner, and tamper with it. Only by putting the drive in another box can you do a safe scan. |
| 04:18.34 | bernouli | using tcpdump, in order to filter the package with protocol higher then 20, we use ip[9] > 20. where are those numbers in [] explained? i cant find anything in rfc791 |
| 04:19.22 | trave11er | bernouli: man tcpdump seems like an obvious place to look |
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| 04:19.48 | defendguin | vaka ask you question here |
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| 04:20.11 | wrecked | anynoe manged to install openoffice via apt-get _ |
| 04:20.13 | wrecked | ? |
| 04:20.19 | doleyb | yes, people have. |
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| 04:20.28 | bernouli | trave11er, i dont think so, [9] should stand for protocol, [8] for TTL, but i need to know more detail |
| 04:20.32 | kofj | I also want to install openoffice |
| 04:20.45 | douglas | wrecked: why? |
| 04:20.50 | capu | guys - how do i upgrade my DVD-R drive to use the ide-scsi driver? i've looked around on the net, but cant find much info about it |
| 04:20.57 | wrecked | doleyb .. that would be odd considering half the packages are broken or missing |
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| 04:21.15 | g00se | im just downloading the debian cd images. do i need all 14 isos? |
| 04:21.18 | wrecked | douglas: just answered |
| 04:21.24 | doleyb | wrecked: missing from what? I'm runnnig it now. |
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| 04:21.31 | dondelelcaro | capu: why bother to upgrade it? If the ATAPI driver works, use that. |
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| 04:21.36 | dondelelcaro | s/upgrade/change/ |
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| 04:21.47 | trave11er | bernouli: you don't think that options accepted by the program are most likely documented in its manual? |
| 04:21.51 | douglas | wrecked: have you ever messed with your sources.list file? |
| 04:22.08 | capu | dondelelcaro, that's the thing, it doesn't: I'm trying to burn an image to dvd in K3B: But it wasted 2 disks and i cant work out what's wrong... so i tried to use Nero, and it needs the ise-scsi |
| 04:22.08 | vaka | hy everybody...can someone please tell me how to turn off iptables please? |
| 04:22.11 | wrecked | douglas: what has that to do with anything |
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| 04:22.18 | wrecked | I can read you know . |
| 04:22.29 | bernouli | trave11er, tcpdump accept this regel from berkeley package filter , i think |
| 04:22.36 | jair | Hello guys, good evening, I have a server 2 GB ram and half terabyte of space 2x 250 GB but do not have hardware raid could I do software raid? it is recommended? |
| 04:22.52 | dondelelcaro | capu: what media are you trying to burn on to? |
| 04:22.56 | douglas | wrecked: if apt isn't installing oo correctly, one thing i might think of is you maybe changed your dist on the sources.list as that can lead to this stuff |
| 04:23.09 | bernouli | and berkeley should use what is written in rfc, but i am blind |
| 04:23.29 | capu | it's an iso, made by dvdshrink (the iso is fine) - im trying to burn it to DVD-R |
| 04:23.34 | wrecked | douglas its complaining about a couple of packages are obsolete or broken |
| 04:23.53 | dondelelcaro | capu: so just use cdrecord to burn the iso |
| 04:23.55 | doleyb | wrecked: be a lot more specific |
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| 04:24.11 | dondelelcaro | capu: then you'll get an idea of what the actual error is. |
| 04:24.12 | capu | cdrecord? do i have that, dondelelcaro ? |
| 04:24.15 | vaka | can someone please tell me how to turn off iptables? |
| 04:24.22 | trave11er | bernouli: man tcpdump says that number in square brackets is the byte offset relative to indicated protocol layer |
| 04:24.25 | wrecked | doleyb I will have to rebuild again now |
| 04:24.26 | douglas | capu: yeah |
| 04:24.37 | dondelelcaro | capu: cdrecord is what k3b actually uses. |
| 04:24.41 | capu | dondelelcaro: will i have to sacrifice another dvd_r? because i really hate wasting them |
| 04:24.51 | douglas | wrecked: have you ever not used apt for installing/deleting |
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| 04:24.52 | dondelelcaro | k3b is just a front end for people who can't figure out how to use the command line interface to cdrecord |
| 04:25.07 | airlynx | hello everyone~ |
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| 04:25.12 | doleyb | vaka: iptables -t nat -F (or instead of nat filter, or whatever table you use) |
| 04:25.12 | hardcampa- | k3b is comfort |
| 04:25.15 | chealer | or those that don't want to |
| 04:25.16 | wrecked | douglas actually I prefer not to ... >P but thats not on debian |
| 04:25.19 | capu | =| i've used linux about a week... am i gonna be able to figure it out? |
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| 04:25.22 | bernouli | trave11er, right, but where is the byte offset explained? i need to know what number belongst to which type |
| 04:25.22 | vaka | thanx doleyb |
| 04:25.25 | douglas | k3b is also good at telling you what package[s] you need to handle dvds too |
| 04:25.34 | wrecked | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.35 | john | capu: after awhile ;) |
| 04:25.41 | trave11er | bernouli: that should be in rfc, describing the packet format |
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| 04:25.47 | wrecked | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.48 | capu | :| |
| 04:25.57 | wrecked | openoffice.org-debian-files <- broken |
| 04:25.58 | bernouli | i am blind =( |
| 04:26.14 | tvn | dondelelcaro: or for people who have more important things to do than to figure out how to use the command line interface to cdrecord |
| 04:26.15 | trave11er | bernouli: try googling for something like ip packet format |
| 04:26.18 | dondelelcaro | it's pretty simple. cdrecord -scanbus -dev ATAPI; figure out what the device is; cdrecord -dev ATAPI:0,0,0 -speed 1 -fs 32M -v -v -data foodisk.iso; |
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| 04:27.02 | dondelelcaro | tvn: if it takes you more than 15 minutes to figure out the interface, I'll be dissappointed. |
| 04:27.22 | douglas | wrecked: well, ... how'd you feel about apt-get remove --purging openoffice and every package/whatever it identifies as screwed or missing, and then apting oo back in? |
| 04:27.43 | douglas | .. or just installing abiword? |
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| 04:27.55 | wrecked | douglas theres nothing to remove if there is nothing there in the first place is there now. |
| 04:27.56 | dondelelcaro | wrecked: what about it? |
| 04:27.56 | GTswagger | I'm trying to get skype working... when people talk to me there is zero lag, but when I talk to them there is a lag that gets progressively worse like clockwork. Any ideas? Setup: kernel 2.6.11 ... kernel ALSA w/ OSS emulation ... Audigy MP3+ (emu10k1) ... wireless B (atmel_usb) to cable modem with 1.5 mbit d/l and 256 kbit u/l |
| 04:28.00 | Ox_King | i tried: mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda2 but it's still read-only, what can i do to fix it? |
| 04:28.18 | dondelelcaro | Ox_King: NTFS is read only. |
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| 04:28.42 | dondelelcaro | well, effectively read only. |
| 04:28.44 | douglas | wrecked: i know but apt's pretty good at installing dependencies and i'd do that too just to throw the book at the problem |
| 04:28.52 | Ox_King | dondelelcaro: i don't want read only, i want RW |
| 04:28.57 | susi_cute | hi |
| 04:29.00 | dondelelcaro | Ox_King: that's great. |
| 04:29.11 | Ox_King | lol |
| 04:29.11 | wrecked | douglas mm sounds odd but will try |
| 04:29.14 | susi_cute | hi |
| 04:29.28 | douglas | wrecked: keep in mind that i'm only offering suggestions as no one else is at the moment, any one of whom is smarter than i am |
| 04:29.37 | dondelelcaro | wrecked: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 04:29.42 | mwilson | grrrrrrr |
| 04:29.45 | douglas | install oo |
| 04:29.51 | wrecked | dondelelcaro >& install openoffice.org |
| 04:29.54 | susi_cute | hi |
| 04:29.59 | dondelelcaro | susi_cute: yes, we got that. |
| 04:30.10 | pilgrim | why would X11 be broadcasting on port 6000? |
| 04:30.26 | bernouli | trave11er, do you think this site can be believed? http://www.netfor2.com/ip.htm it said ip[8] for protokol, but i believe it is ip[9] |
| 04:30.26 | mdh | pilgrim: XDMCP |
| 04:30.41 | dondelelcaro | wrecked: and what version of Debian are you running? have you run aptitude update? what is the output of aptitude install openoffice.org; ? |
| 04:30.48 | pilgrim | mdh, oh I see. Well, thanks. |
| 04:30.50 | susi_cute | hi |
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| 04:31.09 | hardcampa- | pilgrim for the standard X forwarding stuff.. so you can export screens to other computers etc |
| 04:31.24 | trave11er | bernouli: it says: OCTET 7,8Flags (3 bit)+Fragment Offset (13 bit)(FLG, FRO) |
| 04:31.26 | wrecked | dondelelcaro I asumed aptitude was just a recommendation ... |
| 04:31.44 | _joey | does wireless keyboard and wireless mice work well on linux ? |
| 04:31.46 | douglas | donde go easy on yourself man, you deserve better irc user modes |
| 04:31.51 | pilgrim | hardcampa-, hm... is the program that started it possible XDMCP? |
| 04:32.10 | _joey | do* |
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| 04:32.42 | bernouli | trave11er, it says OCTET 10 for Protocol, shouldnt it be 9? |
| 04:32.51 | trave11er | bernouli: they count octets from 1 |
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| 04:33.00 | trave11er | bernouli: tcpdump probably from 0 |
| 04:33.05 | trave11er | bernouli: that makes it 9 |
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| 04:33.18 | bernouli | aahh |
| 04:33.19 | bernouli | ok |
| 04:33.41 | _joey | do wireless keyboard and wireless mice work well on linux ? |
| 04:33.43 | fr33mind | Hi. When I do "ls -al /usr/bin" I have few files with "permissions denied" and I'm in root... I use ReiserFS. Probably a corrupt system. I would like to delete these files to reinstall these files. but... it's impossible. A way to force delete of these files? |
| 04:33.43 | _joey | or not ?:) |
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| 04:33.52 | dondelelcaro | _joey: generally, yes. |
| 04:34.06 | _joey | generally? |
| 04:34.11 | _joey | elaborate please :) |
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| 04:34.38 | dondelelcaro | _joey: most modern wireless keyboard and mice just follow the USB spec, so they just look like a normal keyboard |
| 04:34.38 | douglas | wrecked: once you start going crazy, throw in the towel and install abiword.. |
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| 04:35.07 | wrecked | douglas abiword is worst then openoffice when it comes to being MScrapo compatible |
| 04:35.15 | doleyb | _joey: for example, some keyboards are bluetooth, that's tricky. |
| 04:35.26 | douglas | radio much > infared wireless keyboards |
| 04:35.33 | _joey | http://www.stonebridgecomputing.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5188 |
| 04:35.36 | _joey | want to buy this one |
| 04:35.56 | douglas | wrecked: sorry i can't help you .. keep asking with those specifics |
| 04:36.11 | dondelelcaro | _joey: if it's usb, it should be fine. |
| 04:36.18 | dondelelcaro | wrecked: if you want help, you need to answer my questions. |
| 04:36.20 | _joey | both in X and console ? |
| 04:36.41 | bernouli | ok, by all |
| 04:36.41 | dondelelcaro | _joey: if it works in one, it will work in the other. |
| 04:36.48 | eeyore- | fr33mind: if reiserfsck can't fix the problem for you, you're screwed |
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| 04:37.02 | dondelelcaro | welcome to the joys of ricerfs. |
| 04:37.08 | _joey | well, different drivers are used imho |
| 04:37.11 | wrecked | dondelelcaro ... you will have to wait up .. do things on a indy with very very very minimal ram is no fun to begin with ... adding to that apt and bloated ware |
| 04:37.18 | dondelelcaro | _joey: not for keyboards they aren't. |
| 04:37.28 | fr33mind | eeyore: I have to do this in knoppix live cd? if not... it's about impossible to do on my / partition.. |
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| 04:37.48 | dondelelcaro | _joey: if you've got a USB keyboard and a USB mouse already working, you shouldn't have to change anything |
| 04:37.54 | eeyore- | fr33mind: yep, you have to have some sort of / filesystem that's not your current / that you're trying to fix :-) |
| 04:37.57 | pipeline | wrecked: It doesn't matter, with an Indy. The framebuffer is so slow that you won't be able to tell whether it's hitting swap. |
| 04:38.09 | pipeline | wrecked: You'll be too busy waiting for it to repaint the screen. |
| 04:38.09 | eeyore- | hey folks, just got back from wheeling in Big Bear last weekend. what a blast! :-D |
| 04:38.15 | pipeline | wrecked: 30 frames per minute, woohoo! |
| 04:38.17 | mdh | fr33mind: note that root will get "permission denied" attempting to delete immutable files, and I really don't know what happens if you start bringing ACL's into the mix too |
| 04:38.24 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: heh. you were in big bear? I almost went. |
| 04:38.28 | wrecked | pipeline noticed that already <:( |
| 04:38.36 | vaka | how can i view PDF files in console with gs? when i type gs filename.pdf i get a lot of weird chars on my screen...i can only view PDF files by making them .txt |
| 04:38.51 | pipeline | wrecked: Seriously. Install IRIX. |
| 04:39.01 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: yeah, but we spent most of the time on the trails, though. unless you happen to be on the same trails we were on :-) |
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| 04:39.07 | wrecked | pipeline seriously no foundation cds and they cost too much |
| 04:39.07 | pipeline | wrecked: If you have a CD drive and enough hard drive space, it's a two second job. If you don't, it's, uh, not easy. |
| 04:39.08 | fr33mind | mdh: I have this on "/usr/bin/killall" and "/usr/bin/gmdb2" |
| 04:39.20 | pipeline | wrecked: Foundation CDs are easy to come by on emule and such |
| 04:39.22 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: nah, my parents have a cabin up there, so I usually just go and read all weekend. |
| 04:39.33 | wrecked | plus 96MB ram and 2GB hd is way too little for 6.5 |
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| 04:40.26 | wrecked | this is crap, tons of SGI indy owners with linux and not one damn distro can do it right. |
| 04:40.42 | wrecked | irix has even released most of the stuff to the linux community |
| 04:40.45 | wrecked | sad sad sad |
| 04:41.03 | dondelelcaro | wrecked: seriously, either answer my questions, stop trolling, or be devoiced. |
| 04:41.12 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: nice! we did the Jacoby Cyn. trail and Gold Mountain trail. Shared the trails with mountainbikers ... |
| 04:41.26 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: nice |
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| 04:41.36 | pipeline | wrecked: No, SGI hasn't released /anything/ to the Linux community. As I told you YESTERDAY, the handful of drivers that exist were done very hastily by two guys |
| 04:41.51 | vaka | how can i view PDF files in console with gs? when i type gs filename.pdf i get a lot of weird chars on my screen...i can only view PDF files by making them .txt with ps2txt |
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| 04:42.02 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: some of them looked like they had to weigh the decision between powering on up through the (hard part of) the trail (and falling down, getting up again :-) or, walking the bike up while being watched by a bunch of Jeepers :-) |
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| 04:42.05 | dondelelcaro | vaka: gs doesn't allow you to view pdf files. Use pdf2txt or something |
| 04:42.06 | pipeline | wrecked: And no, no one can reverse engineer obscenely complex hardware from twelve years ago. |
| 04:42.11 | wrecked | pipeline: tons of material has been released over the years .. its even on irix.sgi.com |
| 04:42.21 | vaka | thanx again |
| 04:42.30 | pipeline | wrecked: You will find very little significant hardware documentation. SGI didn't really care about getting other people's OSs running on obsolete hardware. |
| 04:42.32 | trave11er | vaka: why not use xpdf? |
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| 04:42.42 | dondelelcaro | vaka: rrr... pdftotext; Ideally you'd use X and xpdf, of course. |
| 04:42.55 | trave11er | vaka: also the pdf file may be broken (not embed non-standard fonts) |
| 04:43.03 | pipeline | wrecked: Also, 6.5 will fit in 2G. Just barely. But it will fit. |
| 04:43.09 | trave11er | oops, sorry missed the console bit |
| 04:43.09 | vaka | i must view those PDF files with a 486 laptop...no X server |
| 04:43.35 | dondelelcaro | heh. you may be able to run X on a 486... but I don't want to know how slow it will be. |
| 04:43.41 | wrecked | i know :P hence with my indy, it woul be ridiculous .. no place for /pkgsrc /xen etc etc |
| 04:43.57 | dondelelcaro | a 486 DX4 100 would probably just about be useable |
| 04:44.07 | vaka | with XFree? |
| 04:44.11 | pipeline | dondelelcaro, vaka : X will be fine on a 486. |
| 04:44.11 | Pryon | given enough RAM |
| 04:44.16 | PumpkinPie | OH MY GOD |
| 04:44.28 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: for some values of "fine" |
| 04:44.28 | PumpkinPie | I bought something on ebay and it showed up at my door |
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| 04:44.38 | Pryon | Just make sure you choose a sensible window manager |
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| 04:44.40 | pipeline | dondelelcaro, vaka : Running the xpdf binary will be hell, but the X server itself will be just fine, if you have a good video card and enough memory. |
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| 04:44.52 | vaka | fwm? |
| 04:44.55 | xerophyte | Only way to make ios are mkisofs am i right |
| 04:45.00 | pipeline | dondelelcaro, vaka : As an X terminal, a 486 is plenty powerful. |
| 04:45.01 | Pryon | or twm, or even fvwm |
| 04:45.04 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: or growisofs |
| 04:45.04 | deadvirus | hello, can anyone here help me with sound? |
| 04:45.05 | wrecked | Pryon well my old @TV@ was a 486DX with 18MB |
| 04:45.28 | pipeline | vaka, Pryon : It doesn't matter what window manager you use, a 486 isn't going to render a pdf file quickly :P |
| 04:45.35 | Pryon | heh |
| 04:45.44 | vaka | :) true, i guess.. |
| 04:45.49 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, which is better |
| 04:45.54 | wrecked | harhar pdf on a 486 pun pun ... |
| 04:46.27 | vaka | it takes a while on my 750 Mhz duron and 128 RAM to render to text a ~8 MB PDF file |
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| 04:46.58 | deadcat | which package or what has wlan_compact.h? |
| 04:47.11 | trave11er | vaka: you can try converting it to jpg and finding some sdl-based image viewer :-) |
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| 04:48.42 | valdyn | vaka: or you could use pdf2ps and view it with gs. |
| 04:48.47 | tag | How can I make my crossover menu show up in gnome again now that debian changed the menus up |
| 04:48.49 | tag | ? |
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| 04:49.52 | mhall | Where is a good place to ask about or read about setting up a proper secure public shell server? My experience with network security is adequate but I am not quite to the necessary level of Linux security expertise for this task. |
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| 04:50.05 | vaka | ...is there any way of copying text from the PDF (not the entire file made txt)? i've tried with GS and Kpdf and didn't worked |
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| 04:50.40 | valdyn | vaka: evince supports cut & paste(ing) text. |
| 04:50.41 | wrecked | I give up re openoffice |
| 04:50.52 | vaka | evince? |
| 04:51.00 | trave11er | vaka: and acrobat reader 7.0 |
| 04:51.12 | wrecked | openoffice-bin 1.1.2+1.1.3 UNAVAILABLE |
| 04:51.17 | mdh | wrecked: you don't want to run openoffice on a 486... it's slow as molasses on a 300Mhz P2 |
| 04:51.54 | wrecked | mdh :P its not me with the 486 but I could try on my toshiba 486/90 |
| 04:51.55 | tobs | how can you search a package by the files it installs? |
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| 04:52.18 | mdh | tobs: dpkg -S |
| 04:52.21 | tobs | thanks |
| 04:52.36 | stew | tobs: or -L depending on what you meant |
| 04:52.46 | tobs | -S works good ;p |
| 04:52.48 | wrecked | anyone by any chance instaled openoofice in the last few hours. |
| 04:52.53 | xsquared | g'day everyone. I am on a network and a gateway to the internet. I would like to implement a shaping thing, so that when all the users have reached X mb/gb, the internet is slowed/cut off completely. What is the best way to do this? |
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| 04:53.14 | wrecked | please tell me where you found openoffice/bin as it seems to be missing on a number of ftps&http |
| 04:53.19 | mdh | wrecked: on what? sid recently got updated packages... |
| 04:53.30 | mdh | wrecked: no idea where etch is at |
| 04:53.54 | dondelelcaro | wrecked: could you paste the entire output and answer my questions already? |
| 04:54.11 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: they're totally separate problem spaces... for most jobs, mkisofs is what you want. |
| 04:54.11 | capu | i tried to use growisofs to burn a dvd with a command: but i got "unable to GET EVENT: input/output error"... i wasn't able to terminate the burn and it wasted a dvd.. what does the error mean? i cant find it on the net |
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| 04:54.43 | tobs | xsquared: you could try running snmpd, grabbing ther net info every few minutes, tallying it up, and executing a certain command when it goes over x gb/mb until the month advances |
| 04:54.56 | tobs | but i don't know about anything that automatically does that |
| 04:55.06 | wrecked | dondelelcaro: <( you cant copy paste from aptitude. |
| 04:55.17 | mwilson | Of course you can. |
| 04:55.19 | xsquared | tobs: okay, thnx |
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| 04:55.41 | wrecked | anyway as I mentioned @office.org-bin@ 1.1.2=1.1.3 UNAVAIABLE |
| 04:56.08 | vaka | ok, i've got the answer on how to stop iptables...now can someone please tell ow to start it again?(it had to be stopped for a download) |
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| 04:56.27 | vaka | sorry :( |
| 04:56.33 | dondelelcaro | !info openoffice.org-bin |
| 04:56.34 | mwilson | If it had to be stopped for a download, then it wasn't configured correctly. |
| 04:56.37 | dondelelcaro | !depends openoffice.org |
| 04:56.38 | dpkg | openoffice.org-bin: (OpenOffice.org office suite binary files), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.1.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 42764 kB, Installed size: 126892 kB |
| 04:56.43 | dpkg | openoffice.org: depends on openoffice.org-debian-files (>> 1.1.3+1.1.4), openoffice.org-bin (>> 1.1.3+1.1.4), openoffice.org-l10n-en (>> 1.1.3+1.1.4) | openoffice.org-l10n-1.1.4, dictionaries-common (>= 0.10) | openoffice.org-updatedicts, ttf-opensymbol, xml-core |
| 04:56.47 | valdyn | vaka: how did you stop it? |
| 04:57.09 | vaka | iptables -t nat -F |
| 04:57.12 | dondelelcaro | wrecked: so what were you saying? |
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| 04:57.24 | trave11er | dondelelcaro: this version did not get into testing yet |
| 04:57.27 | tobs | vaka: you'd have to reload your rules. |
| 04:57.34 | trave11er | it's blocked by sparc and s390 it seems |
| 04:57.35 | dondelelcaro | trave11er: that's fine. 1.1.3 should be there. |
| 04:57.45 | vaka | and how do i do that tobs? |
| 04:57.56 | tobs | if you're using your box as a router, you could do echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward i think |
| 04:57.59 | tobs | that might stop it |
| 04:58.13 | tobs | without requiring the flushing of iptables |
| 04:58.14 | wrecked | dondelelcaro heh ... Its not available .. how should I know .. I didnt write aptituude .. and I just changed a number of ftps and http sources just in case it was the .nl server that was missing it. |
| 04:58.14 | valdyn | vaka: that just clears all rules. we cant know how you 'started' it. so we cant know how you can start it again. |
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| 04:58.40 | deadcat | i have a logitech3000 webcam. does the built-in speaker work? anyone might have this as well? |
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| 04:58.57 | trave11er | yeah, 1.1.3-9 should be in etch |
| 04:58.58 | vaka | but isn't there a command-line param to satrt it again like i've stopped it? |
| 04:59.02 | tobs | no |
| 04:59.10 | mdh | wrecked: did you "aptitude update" after changing sources? |
| 04:59.12 | dondelelcaro | wrecked: http://packages.debian.org/testing/editors/openoffice.org-bin |
| 04:59.22 | valdyn | vaka: that's not possible, which firewall thing are you using? how did you start it? |
| 04:59.26 | tobs | Swelly_: if you're on 3.1, i think the iptables script in init.d has been removed |
| 04:59.28 | wrecked | mdh yes |
| 04:59.30 | xerophyte | what program can i use to burn dvd ? |
| 04:59.35 | tobs | Terr1: sorry Swelly_ |
| 04:59.36 | mwilson | vaka: Yes, as you've been told TWICE already... the same way you started it in the first place. |
| 04:59.39 | tobs | ww wtf O_o |
| 04:59.40 | wheatie | can somone point me in the directing of a utility which will allow me to test my servers volitile memory without having to reboot it or boot it into memtest86+ ? |
| 04:59.43 | wrecked | dondelelcaro: danke . |
| 04:59.57 | vaka | actually, valdyn , i don't know, it starts when i reboot |
| 05:00.02 | tobs | wheatie: i don't think that would be completely safe, or even possible. |
| 05:00.09 | vaka | how can i find out how it's started? |
| 05:00.19 | Swelly_ | tobs, gotta love the auto nick complete :P |
| 05:00.27 | valdyn | vaka: try /etc/init.d/ip<tab><tab> |
| 05:00.27 | wheatie | wasnt sure if there was really a safe way |
| 05:00.30 | tobs | Swelly_: yea, dunno why it acted up there.. :p |
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| 05:01.41 | mdh | if I was to run emacs am I better off with emacs21 or xemacs21? |
| 05:01.43 | valdyn | wheatie: gcc |
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| 05:01.57 | vaka | valdyn: iptables is in init.d |
| 05:02.05 | mwilson | mdh: Which one do you want to run? |
| 05:02.07 | kingfish600 | need a little help trying to get debian sarge to work with nvidia....I have installed the kernel headers needed and module-assistant but I need to get the nvidia source I burnt on cd to install(it changed the file name when burnt) or from a usb drive that I can't get to mount it using command mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive but it says I must specift the file system type(it's fat but I don't... |
| 05:02.08 | tobs | valdyn: memory testing w/ gcc? O-o |
| 05:02.09 | valdyn | vaka: try /etc/init.d/iptables restart |
| 05:02.09 | kingfish600 | ...know what command to use) after I get it mounteddo I add it to the apt sources or can I do something different? |
| 05:02.19 | mdh | mwilson: neither. I prefer vi ;) |
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| 05:02.26 | mwilson | mdh: Well, then...? |
| 05:02.30 | wheatie | was wondering the same thing |
| 05:02.35 | wheatie | heh |
| 05:02.38 | intension | $ apt-get dist-upgrade; The following packages will be REMOVED: aptitude tasksel |
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| 05:02.45 | intension | :) |
| 05:02.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell intension -about dist-upgrade |
| 05:02.56 | mdh | mwilson: is it "safe" to pull up a shell in a vim buffer? |
| 05:02.59 | vaka | valdyn: " Aborting iptables load: unknown ruleset, "active". " |
| 05:03.04 | valdyn | wheatie: you cannot really do a proper memory teseting, but compiling a kernel will test it decently, if it bails out with "internal compiler error" its likely that your ram is broken |
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| 05:03.07 | capu | how do i find out if ide-scsi emulation is on? |
| 05:03.15 | dondelelcaro | !why not dist-upgrade |
| 05:03.15 | dpkg | If you're going to use apt-get dist-upgrade, when you run the command, you need to make absolutely sure that it isn't going to remove anything you actually want to have installed. If it does, use apt-get install to install specific packages that have been held back on apt-get upgrade, and only allow upgrades that don't remove things that you want. |
| 05:03.19 | mwilson | mdh: (a) you can't, (b) depends on what you do with it. |
| 05:03.34 | wheatie | i'll try that, thanks valdyn |
| 05:03.42 | intension | dondelelcaro ok than wait a sec |
| 05:03.44 | Natman | intension: use aptitude for the upgrade, I found it did a better job. |
| 05:04.14 | Debianer | hello every one~ |
| 05:04.18 | valdyn | wheatie: unless you;re overclocking or similar, then it might aswell be your cpu doing crap. |
| 05:04.25 | intension | $ apt-get upgrade; The following packages have been kept back: apt apt-utils |
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| 05:04.46 | cmatheson | what's the command to suspend to disk? |
| 05:04.46 | mdh | mwilson: I really just want to grep for something and I'm too lazy to clutter the desktop with yet another terminal window |
| 05:04.52 | deadcat | hi Debianer , hows the book coming along? |
| 05:05.05 | valdyn | cmatheson: apt-cache show hibernate |
| 05:05.07 | wheatie | just trying to sort out a machine which enjoys randomly rebooting.. I have not yet been able to tie the reboots into hi CPU or RAM usage at this point tho |
| 05:05.14 | vaka | how can i view open ports open on my machine (i've tried with nmap 127.0.0.1 ...:)) |
| 05:05.20 | wheatie | *high |
| 05:05.28 | furrywolf | wheatie: what motherboard? |
| 05:05.35 | mwilson | mdh: Oh, if all you want to do is :!sh or something, feel free. It's harmless. |
| 05:05.37 | tobs | vaka: then what's the problem? |
| 05:05.37 | cmatheson | valdyn: thanks |
| 05:05.48 | mwilson | mdh: I thought you actually wanted the shell to be in the buffer. |
| 05:05.58 | valdyn | vaka: you cannot do this from the machine to be tested, google portmap, some sites will do it for you. |
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| 05:06.05 | mdh | mwilson: thanks. no, I don't really want that, it doesn't even work properly in emacs ;) |
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| 05:06.25 | tobs | valdyn: sure you could, just nmap the public ip |
| 05:06.29 | vaka | so, nmap is a good option too, right? |
| 05:06.35 | mwilson | mdh: Oh, vimsh isn't bad. |
| 05:06.42 | mdh | mwilson: so if the operating system doesn't support it... |
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| 05:06.57 | locomorto | how voliatile is experimental? |
| 05:07.02 | tobs | a router/firewall in front of your connection may be blocking ports.. but you can still block them yourself if you wanted too D: |
| 05:07.47 | mdh | mwilson: I had to give up trying to setup vim for my tastes in Debian because I needed both python and perl scripting support and it never used to do that. now we have vim-full thankfully |
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| 05:08.47 | mdh | from memory there was a nice python-based vim script that did a shell in a buffer thing, I'll have to go hunt on vim.sf.net |
| 05:09.01 | mwilson | mdh: Yeah, but vim-full is Gnome2, so most people can't use it. |
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| 05:09.16 | dondelelcaro | doogie: edit ~/.subversion/config and set global-ignores appropriately http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch07.html#svn-ch-7-sect-1.3.2 |
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| 05:09.58 | mdh | mwilson: yeah, its a huge deficiency in the debian package config. I helped make the freebsd vim port sane. you could do things like specify any combo of the major vim config options you wanted |
| 05:10.33 | mwilson | mdh: I use vim-python, myself. |
| 05:10.34 | mdh | there's just no sane way to do it in debian. providing every combination in binary packages is not sane ;) |
| 05:10.58 | dondelelcaro | most of that actually has to do with the packages themselves. More applications need to be changed to dlopen modules rather than compiling directly against them |
| 05:11.21 | mdh | dondelelcaro: that's true. maybe it should be on the vim7 todo |
| 05:11.37 | dondelelcaro | then you can Recommends: and Suggests: things instead of compiling against them and needing to resolve them at run time. |
| 05:11.51 | mdh | I know Bram knows about this limitation, we did discuss it when I was doing the freebsd port |
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| 05:13.09 | mwilson | Well, I think it's unfortunate that someone decided that the -full package needed to be against Gnome. It's not like Gnome actually enhances vim any. |
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| 05:13.50 | mdh | mwilson: maybe its the other way around ;) |
| 05:14.24 | mwilson | Perhaps so. |
| 05:14.54 | wrecked | m can anyone ask dpkg for depencies/ package list ? |
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| 05:15.04 | mdh | I do have gnome installed so the dependency didn't kill me, but I don't use it ;) |
| 05:15.10 | deadcat | wrecked: you ask |
| 05:15.34 | wrecked | deadcat: seems to be no menus/help :p on how to ask what |
| 05:15.46 | mwilson | While I have only enough of Gnome installed to use the one Gnome application I care about. |
| 05:15.51 | deadcat | wrecked: /msg dpkg help |
| 05:16.33 | mdh | mwilson: gaim? ;) |
| 05:16.49 | deadcat | gaim dont need gnome shits |
| 05:17.17 | deadcat | the only good gnome related shit is gdm (= |
| 05:17.32 | wrecked | arg how do I ask dpkg for a lcoation of a certain package and validity |
| 05:17.33 | mwilson | Gdm sucks rocks. |
| 05:17.42 | mdh | deadcat: and the enlightenment guys are making that obselete ;) |
| 05:17.44 | mwilson | The only Gnome application I use is glabels. |
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| 05:18.08 | deadcat | mdh: cant wait. so i can use entrence heheh. i just like the themes for gdm |
| 05:18.11 | wrecked | deadcat: mm .th ? |
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| 05:18.15 | tarzeau | jm_: /ignore is great. say ubunutu, i won't see it ;) |
| 05:18.20 | mdh | I like desklets, but they just chew too much resources |
| 05:18.25 | mwilson | deadcat: You spend all your time logging in and out or something? |
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| 05:18.49 | deadcat | mwilson: onces a while. i just dont want to look at something NOT good looking |
| 05:18.50 | sameer | hi people |
| 05:18.51 | mdh | tarzeau: I fucked your mom on a stack of ubuntu cd labels ;) |
| 05:19.03 | deadcat | sameer: hi, hows the book coming along? |
| 05:19.04 | jm_ | tarzeau: ubuntu |
| 05:19.15 | jm_ | tarzeau: there, done |
| 05:19.16 | wrecked | can someone else try and install libneon23-dev, just to be sure I am not the only moron that cant seem to get apt to find it. |
| 05:19.26 | sameer | how come i can access window machine on my network without running the samba daemons.. i can view the machines using nautilus in gnome |
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| 05:19.59 | tarzeau | jm_: see, i'm not getting annoyed |
| 05:20.03 | mdh | sameer: its a magical thing known as smbfs |
| 05:20.09 | tobs | tarzeau: (01:18:53) (mdh) tarzeau: I fucked your mom on a stack of u.b.u.n.t.u cd labels ;) |
| 05:20.11 | tobs | @_@ |
| 05:20.12 | tarzeau | jm_: because my client removes all offtopic lines containing the |
| 05:20.28 | jm_ | tarzeau: hehe |
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| 05:21.01 | mdh | tobs: you know he could just be *saying* he has the /ignore, but doesn't, just manually ignores it |
| 05:21.09 | tobs | ;p |
| 05:21.16 | tobs | the mind is a powerful thing. |
| 05:21.25 | wrecked | ok so I am the only idiot that cant find libneon23-dev |
| 05:21.29 | tarzeau | 07:21 11 *: ALL -regexp -pattern ubuntu |
| 05:21.38 | tobs | hmm |
| 05:21.47 | ubuntu | im the best distro |
| 05:21.50 | mdh | wrecked: what's up with your sources? you can't find openoffice, you can't find libneon, ... |
| 05:21.52 | ubuntu | buahahaa |
| 05:22.07 | ubuntu | down with debian, hail ubuntu! |
| 05:22.09 | icyfire0573 | ubuntu: stop that |
| 05:22.12 | ubuntu | oops, he wouldn't get that |
| 05:22.14 | ubuntu | ~_~ |
| 05:22.15 | apt | methinks _~ is sour face |
| 05:22.20 | wrecked | mdh dont ask me .. its .nl .de .fr servers that seem to have nothing I want |
| 05:22.52 | tobs | i was trying to get past his ignore D: |
| 05:22.56 | tobs | loco |
| 05:22.58 | tobs | stop that~ |
| 05:23.10 | locomorto | evil windows user |
| 05:23.24 | sparr_ | will anything bad happen if i clean out /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 05:23.25 | tobs | heh |
| 05:23.28 | tobs | when cedega doesnt suck |
| 05:23.32 | tobs | ill switch to linux |
| 05:23.34 | locomorto | sparr_ |
| 05:23.36 | tobs | until then, hail winxp |
| 05:23.37 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: use apt-get clean; man apt-get; |
| 05:23.38 | mdh | I used to like /nick jokes, but I got bored with re-identifying with nickserv |
| 05:23.42 | locomorto | apt-get clean |
| 05:23.44 | hogwash | hi all, I am getting the error: unmet dependencies kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386: depends: kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 but it is not going to be installed |
| 05:23.46 | sparr_ | tobs: what dont you like about cedega? the part where CoD runs faster? :) |
| 05:23.51 | hogwash | what do i do? |
| 05:23.53 | tobs | the part where it sucks |
| 05:23.59 | tobs | and doesnt run anything properly hehe |
| 05:24.18 | tobs | and works best on mandrake, an os which i graduated from years ago :> |
| 05:24.28 | sparr_ | ahh, you must play... err... what do you play that doesnt work right in cedega? |
| 05:24.52 | tobs | cs, gw, daoc, bf1942, q3a |
| 05:25.07 | tobs | daoc si, daoc toa, and daoc cats that is :> |
| 05:25.11 | hogwash | nevermind - got it |
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| 05:25.42 | hogwash | stew: if you are out there... thanks man - got madwifi building now! |
| 05:25.43 | locomorto | vimtutor |
| 05:25.46 | locomorto | pwns |
| 05:27.12 | tobs | sparr_: i tried it on debian 3.0, 3.1, and ubuntu, and none of the games ran properly |
| 05:27.21 | tobs | i tried installing daoc through point2play, didn't work |
| 05:27.31 | tobs | tried running the exe straight from my games drive (fat32), didn't work |
| 05:28.01 | tobs | cedega is just a discombobulated pos; anyone who gets it working.. my hat is off to them. |
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| 05:28.12 | wrecked | tobs ... ( someone is goan to kill me for this ) but it works fine on netbsd ! |
| 05:28.35 | tobs | heh |
| 05:28.42 | tobs | i know nothing of netbsd, and tbh |
| 05:28.47 | tobs | i still dont think you could get daoc working |
| 05:29.12 | mdh | I have a games console to play games... don't have any of these hassles |
| 05:29.29 | icyfire0573 | doac? |
| 05:29.34 | icyfire0573 | daoc? |
| 05:29.42 | tobs | dark age of camelot |
| 05:29.42 | wrecked | mdh: lucky you .. some of us have to do it that way .. $$$$ |
| 05:29.44 | locomorto | dark age of camelot |
| 05:30.21 | sparr_ | weird |
| 05:30.26 | sparr_ | i play WoW under cedega |
| 05:30.27 | sparr_ | no problems |
| 05:30.37 | tobs | well |
| 05:30.38 | mdh | wrecked: I'm not $$$ either really, I just don't have time for the hassles. plus I wanted the geek factor of installing linux on something built by companies that don't like linux - Sony & M$ ;) |
| 05:30.42 | sparr_ | just install GTA San Andreas, works fine except i had to turn off shaders :( |
| 05:30.48 | tobs | the only progress in cedega is for the new, dumb games |
| 05:30.56 | tobs | hl2, wow, cs:s |
| 05:31.00 | sparr_ | ive also got BG2 and WC3 installed |
| 05:31.10 | tobs | 'new support - cedega works perfectly for wow!' |
| 05:31.15 | tobs | yet wow was the biggest flop ever |
| 05:31.16 | sparr_ | last i heard daoc worked fine |
| 05:31.20 | pipeline | uh |
| 05:31.21 | sparr_ | biggest flop? |
| 05:31.23 | pipeline | wow has been a runaway success |
| 05:31.24 | wrecked | mdh sony i agree but m$ heh they hire more linux ppls then anyone else .. and use more gnu code then anyone else atm |
| 05:31.27 | wrecked | so .... |
| 05:31.29 | sparr_ | you realize its the most successful western MMORPG ever right? |
| 05:31.32 | tobs | the game sucks |
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| 05:31.40 | tobs | it was suppose to own, but it sucks :[ |
| 05:31.41 | pipeline | tobs: all MMORPGs suck, that just goes without saying. |
| 05:31.42 | sparr_ | at the rate its going its gonna beat lineage(2) and make best ever |
| 05:31.55 | sparr_ | most successful ever, that is |
| 05:31.57 | tobs | just because a bunch of gullable people buy it |
| 05:31.58 | pipeline | tobs: The instant you heard it was an MMORPG, you should have expected it to suck. |
| 05:32.01 | tobs | doesn't mean it's good D: |
| 05:32.02 | sparr_ | i dont particularly like it, got really boring aroudn level 40 |
| 05:32.09 | sparr_ | but just because it sucks doesnt make it a flop |
| 05:32.21 | hardcampa- | BF2 now that's a good game |
| 05:32.24 | tobs | it's a flop of a game |
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| 05:32.31 | sparr_ | i cant run BF2 |
| 05:32.31 | tobs | blizzard put out some good hits before |
| 05:32.35 | tobs | but wow was ~~ |
| 05:32.35 | sparr_ | a) because cedega doesnt support it yet |
| 05:32.37 | hardcampa- | sparr_ =P |
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| 05:32.41 | sparr_ | b) because it wont run on my video card |
| 05:32.44 | hardcampa- | bah cedega sux in general |
| 05:32.49 | tobs | ahh yea, that too |
| 05:32.55 | tobs | ati radeon + cedega |
| 05:32.55 | sparr_ | fortunately i have confidence in transgaming, once they fix a) i bet they will also fix b) :) |
| 05:33.08 | tobs | that's a double whammy of sol |
| 05:33.29 | wrecked | wine.... |
| 05:33.40 | hardcampa- | don't really understand the fuzz with cedega when all you need to get stuff to work exactly as they should is to dualboot (which is WAY less fuzz) |
| 05:33.41 | tobs | doesnt run daoc |
| 05:33.49 | sparr_ | it would work in cedega if EA werent such dicks and decided to require PS 1.4 |
| 05:33.55 | tobs | crossover office doesnt run it D: |
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| 05:34.05 | exobyte | is there a way to get a win xp machine to control an internet connection on a linux box like it can if it's another xp box with internet connection sharing? |
| 05:34.06 | tobs | hardcampa-: linux should be able to play windows games |
| 05:34.12 | hardcampa- | tobs no |
| 05:34.15 | tobs | yes |
| 05:34.16 | tobs | :> |
| 05:34.33 | hardcampa- | the games should be made for linux instead |
| 05:34.35 | Choubaka | Windows takes more space than cedega :P |
| 05:34.40 | tobs | maybe |
| 05:34.42 | wrecked | tobs hah since when .. its like saying linuyx should work for normal desktop users which will never happen at this rate |
| 05:35.02 | tobs | wrecked: a lot of linux distros work right out of the box |
| 05:35.15 | sparr_ | http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Dark_Age_Of_Camelot |
| 05:35.17 | wrecked | tobs: to a certain extend. |
| 05:35.18 | tobs | hardware detection has become a lot better |
| 05:35.20 | sparr_ | tobs is just crazy |
| 05:35.22 | sparr_ | daoc works fine |
| 05:35.30 | tobs | daoc does not work fine |
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| 05:35.38 | locomorto | exobyte: VNC |
| 05:35.45 | wrecked | tobs true .. but in the business world hardware detection is least problematic. |
| 05:35.48 | sparr_ | it worked fine when i played it, and unless the wiki is out of date it still works fine |
| 05:36.19 | sparr_ | http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/screenshots/view.mhtml?game_id=2328 |
| 05:36.21 | tobs | wrecked: linux doesn't have billions of dollars to pay developers to work on it full time |
| 05:36.24 | sparr_ | those 9 people disagree with you :-p |
| 05:36.31 | tobs | although it certainly has more developers in general than microsoft |
| 05:36.39 | tobs | sparr |
| 05:36.42 | tobs | those are daoc classic |
| 05:36.49 | tobs | which was released 5 years ago. |
| 05:36.56 | hardcampa- | tobs you do realise that not all people working on windows apps work for windows |
| 05:36.59 | hardcampa- | err microsoft* |
| 05:37.00 | tobs | daoc classic was discontinued about a year ago |
| 05:37.32 | locomorto | tobs: you are so i'll informed |
| 05:37.48 | tobs | jesus |
| 05:37.53 | tobs | daoc doesnt fucking work with cedega |
| 05:38.00 | tobs | unless you have daoc right now to test it |
| 05:38.00 | wrecked | tobs ... novell does .. linuxsys does .. and many more .. but the rpoblem is @battle of dsitros@ |
| 05:38.00 | wrecked | damn i hate changing btw kb layouts. |
| 05:38.01 | locomorto | im not talki ng about that |
| 05:38.05 | tobs | stop feeding me these month-old websites |
| 05:38.19 | locomorto | i think the problem is you |
| 05:38.26 | tobs | wrecked: isn't novell in the hole money wise? @_@ |
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| 05:38.45 | defcon8 | i went to a meeting at the ritz the other week |
| 05:38.56 | defcon8 | the first thing the guy said. i am here to make money. and so are you |
| 05:39.00 | tobs | sparr_: that was one person who took all those s/s's btw hehe :> |
| 05:39.01 | defcon8 | so im going to explain how to do this |
| 05:39.05 | wrecked | tobs >P are they now I heard that 9years ago just like sco .. but they are still buying up everything arent they |
| 05:39.09 | defcon8 | it was a german guy |
| 05:39.13 | defcon8 | marketting director of europe i thibnk |
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| 05:39.30 | tobs | didn't know europe had a marketing director.. |
| 05:39.38 | tobs | wrecked: dunno i guess |
| 05:39.46 | defcon8 | lol |
| 05:39.57 | defcon8 | the slide show wasnt working |
| 05:40.03 | wrecked | defcon8: harhar |
| 05:40.07 | defcon8 | either someone was pissing around with a bluetooth keyboard or it just had a bug |
| 05:40.12 | sparr_ | tobs: daoc classic? whats the name of the new game? |
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| 05:40.19 | defcon8 | but it still ke*pt going back and forth when we turnewd bluetooth off with my help |
| 05:40.23 | tobs | im referring to the expansions |
| 05:40.26 | tobs | class, being the first |
| 05:40.29 | tobs | classic* |
| 05:40.54 | tobs | shrouded isles came next, then trials of atlantis, then housing, or housing before toa maybe, then new frontiers, than catacombs |
| 05:41.04 | sparr_ | and? |
| 05:41.09 | tobs | si, toa, and cats did not work for me under cedega |
| 05:41.09 | sparr_ | what do expansions have to do with the game running? |
| 05:41.21 | tobs | on either debian 3.0, debian 3.1, or ubuntu |
| 05:41.34 | tobs | sparr_: different game versions.. |
| 05:41.38 | sparr_ | and i bet youre too lazy to update the wiki |
| 05:41.43 | tobs | yes |
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| 05:41.51 | sparr_ | the wonders of open source |
| 05:41.51 | tobs | because i have a fucking obligation to update it |
| 05:41.57 | tobs | hehe good one |
| 05:42.02 | sparr_ | you do if you complain |
| 05:42.06 | sparr_ | if you arent willing to help, stfu. |
| 05:42.13 | tobs | i pay for cedega |
| 05:42.23 | tobs | i have a right to complain :> |
| 05:42.27 | sparr_ | no, you pay for the right to vote on what transgaming works on |
| 05:42.29 | sparr_ | cedega is free |
| 05:42.43 | tobs | i voted daoc |
| 05:42.45 | sparr_ | you also pay for point2play |
| 05:42.48 | tobs | and it doesn't work/ |
| 05:42.49 | tobs | . |
| 05:42.55 | sparr_ | if you really want daoc working, buy a hundred more votes |
| 05:43.02 | hardcampa- | or dualboot |
| 05:43.05 | subvertir | or a copy of windows, yeah |
| 05:43.09 | subvertir | but that'd be TOO EASY |
| 05:43.09 | tobs | or stick with windows |
| 05:43.20 | sparr_ | yeah, just stick with windows |
| 05:43.22 | tobs | and play all my other games D: |
| 05:43.33 | Choubaka | Bleh. |
| 05:43.46 | Choubaka | What about those people who can't run windows? |
| 05:43.46 | sparr_ | gaming is the only thing that ever tempts me back towards windows |
| 05:43.47 | Choubaka | Like me. |
| 05:43.52 | sparr_ | but everything else works so much better in linux |
| 05:44.03 | sparr_ | and most of the games i play run well, or even better than in windows, in linux |
| 05:44.06 | hardcampa- | I mean it's ridiculous to get a game to work in cedega by turning off all the shaders and stuff. That's like oh yeah great. That really makes my new gfx card show all it can do. |
| 05:44.21 | tobs | you need an nvidia gfx card to get good performance in cedega |
| 05:44.25 | tobs | and like hardcampa said ^ |
| 05:44.49 | sparr_ | hardcampa-: bitch at microsoft for not telling anyone how the shit works, or at game authors for writing broken games. |
| 05:45.00 | tobs | once you buy a card good enough to make up for abysmal driver performance, you're force to cripple it :D |
| 05:45.01 | Choubaka | yeah |
| 05:45.01 | hardcampa- | sparr_ what do microsoft got to do with shaders |
| 05:45.09 | tobs | forced* |
| 05:45.21 | sparr_ | hardcampa-: shaders work FINE in linux. the problem is game->directx->shaders |
| 05:45.21 | Choubaka | I don't see why you're complaining about cedega. |
| 05:45.33 | Choubaka | cedega is a good effort. |
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| 05:46.05 | Choubaka | if you still need to have 100 fps at max resolution and all graphical goodies, by all means use windows :P |
| 05:46.16 | tobs | i just the game to run |
| 05:46.19 | Choubaka | I won't. |
| 05:46.25 | tobs | i just need* |
| 05:46.28 | sparr_ | every game that runs in linux native runs FASTER in linux |
| 05:46.30 | sparr_ | with better graphics |
| 05:46.42 | hardcampa- | sparr_ well the problem isn't microsoft. The game makers could just as well have made the game OpenGL. So the blame is elsewhere really. |
| 05:46.43 | sparr_ | epic and id are proof that good games CAN be developed for both platforms |
| 05:46.44 | Spec | ut2k4? |
| 05:46.47 | tobs | sparr_: how many new games have native linux ports? |
| 05:46.59 | sparr_ | tobs: define 'new' |
| 05:47.02 | Choubaka | hardcampa-: well, opengl isn't the solution |
| 05:47.04 | tobs | hl2? cs:s? gw? wow? |
| 05:47.10 | locomorto | Doom 3 |
| 05:47.12 | sparr_ | ut2k4, doom3 |
| 05:47.16 | Choubaka | hardcampa-: opengl doesn't cover sound and all other stuff. |
| 05:47.24 | sparr_ | ut2k6 will be native linux |
| 05:47.26 | sparr_ | so will ut2k7 |
| 05:47.28 | sparr_ | and ut2k9 |
| 05:47.31 | sparr_ | and ut3 |
| 05:47.32 | mdh | I dont really have any faith in id after they broke quake2 |
| 05:47.34 | sparr_ | and doom 4 |
| 05:47.36 | locomorto | there is no ut2k6 |
| 05:47.38 | sparr_ | and quake 4 |
| 05:47.39 | locomorto | silly |
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| 05:47.45 | icyfire0573 | opengl & openal are the cross platform sound solutions |
| 05:47.48 | tobs | two games |
| 05:47.50 | hardcampa- | Choubaka I know. Linux could use an equivialent. |
| 05:47.50 | tobs | that i dont play D: |
| 05:47.57 | Choubaka | icyfire0573: SDL |
| 05:48.02 | sparr_ | that egyption MMORPG is linux native |
| 05:48.10 | icyfire0573 | Choubaka: also a good option |
| 05:48.13 | tobs | 'that egyptian mmorpg' |
| 05:48.22 | sparr_ | A Tale In The Desert (2) |
| 05:48.32 | sparr_ | dont forget Neverwinter Nights |
| 05:48.33 | mwilson | You guys talk like game designers have some reason to worry about the OSS community. |
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| 05:48.41 | sparr_ | and Enemy Territory |
| 05:48.47 | tobs | sounds like one of the dime-a-dozen mmorpgs you'd find in china |
| 05:48.57 | sparr_ | and medal of honor |
| 05:48.58 | tobs | et/nwn aren't new |
| 05:49.07 | sparr_ | and savage |
| 05:49.14 | tobs | never heard of that. |
| 05:49.14 | sparr_ | no, they arent, but they are still popular |
| 05:49.15 | Choubaka | NWN is a good game. |
| 05:49.19 | Spec | Game designers need to start developing games -for- linux |
| 05:49.22 | hardcampa- | matter of taste |
| 05:49.26 | Spec | or loki needs to be not out of business |
| 05:49.35 | sparr_ | cross platform development is the way of the future |
| 05:49.39 | sparr_ | console devs are starting to get it |
| 05:49.45 | tobs | really? |
| 05:49.47 | mwilson | Spec: Why do they *need* to? Not why do you *want* them to, why do *they* need to? |
| 05:49.49 | Choubaka | Spec: "additional cost, not enough market share" |
| 05:49.56 | tobs | xbox 360 can play ps3 games? |
| 05:50.00 | tobs | or vise-versa? |
| 05:50.01 | Spec | bah, there's enough market share :p |
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| 05:50.13 | mdh | sparr_: what do you mean "starting"? Most N64 games were developed on linux and cross-ported with gcc |
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| 05:50.28 | hardcampa- | Take BF2 for instance. After the first day of release it had sold 25000+.. you can simply forget about that on linux |
| 05:50.37 | hardcampa- | money talks |
| 05:50.49 | sparr_ | if BF2 was linux native they would have sold maybe 1% more copies |
| 05:50.49 | sparr_ | maybe |
| 05:50.53 | tobs | 25000 * 40 |
| 05:50.56 | sparr_ | probably more like .05% |
| 05:50.58 | tobs | $100,000 |
| 05:50.58 | tobs | @@ |
| 05:50.59 | mdh | hardcampa-: being out in the store at the same time, not 12 months later, talks |
| 05:51.13 | Choubaka | I think most people who use Linux would only play good games instead of overmarketed and boring games with good graphics. |
| 05:51.36 | hardcampa- | Choubaka BF2 owns |
| 05:51.40 | tobs | some people try linux to look cool (however you do that..) |
| 05:51.42 | dondelelcaro | Choubaka: considering that many people still play nethack, that's generally true. |
| 05:51.46 | Choubaka | I wasn't referring to BF2 |
| 05:51.50 | hardcampa- | It's quite supricing it sold as much actually I mean you need at least a gf5 to run it |
| 05:51.55 | tobs | some of my friends try and install debian or freebsd or w/e, because it's 'better than windows' |
| 05:51.59 | sparr_ | i use linux because i do a lot of coding and server-ish work |
| 05:52.00 | hardcampa- | Choubaka ok |
| 05:52.03 | tobs | they are back on windows the next day D: |
| 05:53.14 | hardcampa- | On the upside though. If you got a good game. You can pretty much expect a linux "server" version to be released nowadays. It wasn't like that before. |
| 05:53.20 | MobyTurbo | tobs: the good thing about GNU/Linux is that it's free *Unix*. The day that it becomes free Windows is when I go looking for a different OS. |
| 05:53.33 | tobs | uhh |
| 05:53.40 | tobs | how does emulation turn unix into windows? |
| 05:53.45 | tobs | i don't see the logic. |
| 05:53.53 | MobyTurbo | !confuse tobs |
| 05:53.55 | dpkg | Yes, who was our pants today, tobs? trousers of the people's republic of tibet with extra crabpaste |
| 05:53.59 | hardcampa- | cedega isn't emulation |
| 05:54.21 | MobyTurbo | tobs: that isn't what I was trying to say |
| 05:54.29 | tobs | well what were you trying to say? |
| 05:54.36 | Choubaka | it's a compatibility layer. :/ |
| 05:54.46 | Choubaka | For legacy applications ;P |
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| 05:55.07 | Choubaka | (I wish I could ssay that seriously.) |
| 05:55.42 | tobs | a compatibility layer, that imitates/replicates/emulates the win32 api |
| 05:55.48 | tobs | along with the other common api's |
| 05:55.59 | sparr_ | theres a little bit of emulation in cedega |
| 05:56.05 | sparr_ | not a lot |
| 05:56.06 | sparr_ | but some |
| 05:56.18 | sparr_ | the direct3d->opengl stuff is compatibility layer |
| 05:56.19 | MobyTurbo | tobs: although I have never ran WINE sucessfully (I tried it after I'd nuked my Windows partition - it runs poorly without windows DLLs) I have run DOS emulators, but that doesn't change the character of the OS (except for that one program) |
| 05:56.25 | hardcampa- | it emulates frustration quite well on my part |
| 05:56.27 | sparr_ | but a lot of the non-d3d dx stuff is emulated |
| 05:56.37 | sparr_ | dosbox, wine, crossover, cedega |
| 05:56.41 | sparr_ | all have different purposes |
| 05:56.43 | sparr_ | use them wisely |
| 05:56.50 | tobs | MobyTurbo: and? |
| 05:56.54 | MobyTurbo | dosbox and dosemu work *very* well |
| 05:56.56 | Choubaka | dosemu is good. |
| 05:57.05 | tobs | dos is like... 12 years old |
| 05:57.07 | tobs | @_@ |
| 05:57.15 | hardcampa- | unix is older |
| 05:57.16 | hardcampa- | so what |
| 05:57.19 | sparr_ | a lot of great games came out for DOS |
| 05:57.22 | cmihai | Any sed gurus around? |
| 05:57.28 | sparr_ | and they dont run well under windows :) |
| 05:57.30 | Choubaka | it works better than windows' own dos VM :D |
| 05:57.34 | sparr_ | dosbox/dosemu/bochs to the rescue |
| 05:57.45 | jm_ | cmihai: /msg dpkg ask |
| 05:57.47 | Choubaka | hah |
| 05:57.48 | MobyTurbo | tobs: there are some decent classic DOS games worth playing, or DOS BBSs (if only the users for BBSs still existed) |
| 05:57.54 | cmihai | I just need to do a search and replace, anyone kind enough to give me a one-liner (search and replace in all files:ex: 192.168.1.1 with 192.168.1.13) ? |
| 05:57.58 | tobs | well dos isn't that complex |
| 05:58.06 | Choubaka | dosemu is a lot faster than dosbox and bochs :P |
| 05:58.08 | hardcampa- | about classic games.. Elite on the Sinclair ZX Spectrum owned |
| 05:58.12 | tobs | it has/had a lot of room to be improved |
| 05:58.22 | sparr_ | i think the funny thing is... |
| 05:58.31 | sparr_ | linux is getting to be more windows compatible than windows :) |
| 05:58.42 | sparr_ | every time a new version of windows or office fails to open an old windows game or office document |
| 05:58.47 | cmihai | Never mind |
| 05:58.52 | jm_ | cmihai: there's sarep on fm, or regexxer/kfilereplace/rpl |
| 05:58.56 | sparr_ | linux's software gets a little better at doing the same |
| 05:59.15 | tobs | sparr_: well windows is about getting people to have to upgrade |
| 05:59.18 | hardcampa- | sparr you got it the wrong way |
| 05:59.20 | cmihai | for i in \*;do sed 's/192.168.1.1/192.168.1.15/'; done |
| 05:59.20 | tobs | linux is the opposite |
| 05:59.25 | cmihai | I guess that adda do it. |
| 05:59.26 | cmihai | I hope. |
| 05:59.28 | hardcampa- | The more time that goes the more unix like windows becomes |
| 05:59.38 | jm_ | no that won't quite work |
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| 05:59.49 | sparr_ | if OSX gets to the point where it works on generic x86 hardware... |
| 05:59.56 | sparr_ | i think apple has a damn good chance of killing microsoft |
| 06:00.05 | hardcampa- | I mean they're talking about including a shell now in windows.. I just see a vast goldmine for virus writers there |
| 06:00.10 | hardcampa- | =) |
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| 06:00.25 | Choubaka | sparr_: it may be they don't want to compete with microsoft directly. |
| 06:00.43 | MobyTurbo | hardcampa-: monad is a neat concept but it suffers from extremly wordy commands. |
| 06:00.51 | Choubaka | sparr_: because microsoft would then _really_ go after them |
| 06:00.56 | djace | maybe MS buys them it if they find them too much of a threat. |
| 06:01.00 | Choubaka | and they would be in deep shit :P |
| 06:01.09 | mwilson | sparr_: Apple has no interest in running OS X on generic PC's. |
| 06:01.19 | hardcampa- | MobyTurbo ok well the comment that it will be better than the linux shell is pretty ridiculous I think |
| 06:01.31 | hardcampa- | typical microsoft talk though |
| 06:02.15 | streuner | sparr_: Are you working for Apple? |
| 06:02.47 | MobyTurbo | hardcampa-: MS has been making a lot of claims for Longhorn then retracting them, it's all a gimick to convince PHBs not to switch to Linux because if they wait "just a year or two more" Windows will be better |
| 06:03.09 | hardcampa- | MobyTurbo I know.. still it hurts my eyes reading the claims |
| 06:03.59 | hardcampa- | Windows should first of all make sure you don't need a reboot after installing stuff imho => |
| 06:04.16 | MobyTurbo | hardcampa-: they've been doing this for years, "chicago" (or whatever the code name was) had a lot of claims about it that never materialized when Win95 was released. |
| 06:04.54 | hardcampa- | Yeah, well as bill gates once told steve jobs. It's not about which OS is the best. |
| 06:04.59 | sparr_ | mwilson: you think that will stop people from making it work? or it just working on accident? |
| 06:05.03 | hardcampa- | (it's how you market it) |
| 06:05.08 | sparr_ | i mean, whats the down side to making your OS work on more hardware? |
| 06:05.30 | locomorto | they dont buy your hardware |
| 06:05.44 | mwilson | sparr_: It's not working at all at the moment. As for "people making it work"... time will tell whether it can be done, and whether Apple will pursue for doing it. |
| 06:06.09 | sparr_ | locomorto: good point |
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| 06:06.17 | mwilson | sparr_: Apple is a hardware company, not a software company. There is no benefit to them to allowing OS X on generic PC hardware. |
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| 06:06.47 | sparr_ | there is if it runs better on their hardware. get people hooked on the OS, next time they go buy a PC it might be from apple |
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| 06:06.59 | sparr_ | or even if it runs the same |
| 06:07.05 | sparr_ | the OS will drill the brand into their heads |
| 06:07.07 | mwilson | sparr_: Still no benefit to them. |
| 06:07.21 | sparr_ | if microsoft sold PCs they would probably get a pretty decent market share from name recognition alone |
| 06:07.25 | mwilson | sparr_: They certainly won't support it and probably will take steps to prevent it. |
| 06:07.28 | sparr_ | Official MS Windows PCs and all that |
| 06:07.29 | jm_ | not to mention the headaches of supporting all crap PC hardware :) |
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| 06:08.08 | mwilson | sparr_: You're also falling into the fallacy that an Intel Mac is an Apple-branded PC. No one says it has to be an IBM-compatible PC in any way, shape, or form. |
| 06:08.31 | sparr_ | of course |
| 06:09.01 | mwilson | Whether it will be, or not... who knows? Right now, only Apple does. |
| 06:09.22 | sobersabre | mwilson, it is very strange they didn't switch earlier. |
| 06:09.27 | MobyTurbo | there's much more to compatability than the CPU. IBM makes Power workstations that use essentially the same CPU of pre-intel Apples, but there's no real compatability other than the fact that both now use Unix based OSs. |
| 06:09.29 | mwilson | sobersabre: Not in the least. |
| 06:09.43 | sobersabre | it was probably a long term deal with ibm |
| 06:09.47 | sobersabre | that is due.. |
| 06:09.54 | sobersabre | to finish |
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| 06:10.13 | MobyTurbo | sobersabre: until recently Apple got their PowerPC chips from Motorolla |
| 06:10.15 | mwilson | Actually, that probably had nothing to do with it at all. |
| 06:10.20 | sobersabre | ok |
| 06:10.32 | sobersabre | :) they still suck ( the ppc64 ones ) |
| 06:10.34 | douglas | hey how can i turn off dhcp lookups and tell my box to grab a certain ip |
| 06:10.41 | mwilson | sobersabre: IBM can't manufacture G4's, those come from Moto. |
| 06:11.21 | sobersabre | mwilson, this doesn't matter. |
| 06:11.30 | mwilson | sobersabre: Oh, really? |
| 06:11.34 | sobersabre | they were bond to ppc arch. |
| 06:11.37 | sobersabre | it was a mistake |
| 06:11.42 | sobersabre | since 90s |
| 06:11.48 | mwilson | Except that it wasn't, of course. |
| 06:11.57 | mwilson | Never let the truth get in the way, after all. |
| 06:12.02 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 06:12.25 | MobyTurbo | sobersabre: it wasn't such a big mistake until recently, when intel a) started the Gigahertz war and b) made the efficient Pentium M |
| 06:12.31 | xydarcher | hi,when i install debian it show that "loading /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz" times and times again, how to solve that? |
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| 06:13.09 | sobersabre | let's put it this way: most of home compuers in the world are "ibm-compatibles" and not macs, this doesn't make macs worse, but it makes think of financial success of the PC. |
| 06:13.28 | mwilson | sobersabre: There's nothing wrong with Power. Plenty of big iron runs on Power. But IBM has no cost/benefit to pushing the PPC970 where Apple needs it to go. |
| 06:13.30 | sobersabre | i agree that a mac is a stabler and better packaged product. |
| 06:13.43 | mwilson | sobersabre: I agree that you really know nothing at all about the Mac. |
| 06:13.53 | sobersabre | :) |
| 06:14.17 | douglas | what i gotta dpkg reconfig to turn off dhcp and specify an ip for my box to grab? |
| 06:14.25 | douglas | sorry to repeat a dumb question |
| 06:14.26 | streuner | xydarcher: run 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' |
| 06:14.34 | jm_ | douglas: man interfaces |
| 06:14.36 | mwilson | douglas: Nothing. |
| 06:14.45 | douglas | jm_: ok |
| 06:14.53 | douglas | mwilson: intirguing |
| 06:14.58 | sobersabre | mwilson, i am always happy to learn... sorry if this is made in form of stupid argument ;) |
| 06:15.01 | jm_ | douglas: also /msg dpkg interfaces ; check stuff in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown dir |
| 06:15.38 | xydarcher | streuner: i haven't install the system well now |
| 06:15.59 | streuner | xydarcher: did you verify the iso? |
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| 06:16.37 | xydarcher | streuner: no, would it be the problem of cd? |
| 06:16.42 | sobersabre | mwilson, so.. what am i missing? the more ppc970fx are sold, the more profit not only for oem, but for IP owner- IBM. right ? |
| 06:17.29 | MobyTurbo | sobersabre: PPC is less than 1% of IBM's revenues, and new chips can be expensive to design and build. |
| 06:17.34 | streuner | xydarcher: could be |
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| 06:17.47 | exobyte | is there a way to get a win xp machine to control an internet connection on a linux box like it can if it's another xp box with internet connection sharing? |
| 06:17.52 | mwilson | sobersabre: IBM makes more money on Cell, which are also PPC, but not something Apple can use. |
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| 06:17.57 | locomorto | exobyte: VNC |
| 06:18.24 | exobyte | locomorto: heh.. let's say the linux machine has no gui |
| 06:19.03 | sparr_ | exobyte: define "control" |
| 06:19.07 | locomorto | VNC |
| 06:19.09 | streuner | xydarcher: and that happens every time you reboot the box? |
| 06:19.13 | locomorto | SSH |
| 06:19.14 | locomorto | ** |
| 06:19.18 | sobersabre | hmm.. so. my original point was: had apple started to support intel platforms, they would have been much more successfull. |
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| 06:19.34 | sobersabre | and you disagree ? |
| 06:19.47 | locomorto | yes |
| 06:19.51 | locomorto | x86 sucks |
| 06:19.59 | sobersabre | i mean would take a wider share of market. |
| 06:20.01 | jm_ | syda;boot into single user mode and fix it |
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| 06:20.07 | jm_ | xydarcher ^^^^^^^ |
| 06:20.17 | sobersabre | i didn't say i386 is better than usparc or mips or whatever. |
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| 06:20.26 | exobyte | sparr_: xp has some builtin control mechinism. right click the connection on the other machine, click connect |
| 06:20.27 | MobyTurbo | alpha rules |
| 06:20.37 | sobersabre | amiga isn't bad too. |
| 06:20.39 | exobyte | sparr_: OR.. com port forwarding is also acceptable |
| 06:20.56 | sobersabre | i remembet the envy i felt when my class mate got an amiga.... |
| 06:20.57 | streuner | jm_: he hasn't debian installed... |
| 06:21.05 | jm_ | streuner: I thought he does |
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| 06:21.30 | sobersabre | which cpu is amiga based on ? |
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| 06:21.37 | Pryon | 68k? |
| 06:21.40 | jm_ | the original Amiga had M68000 in it |
| 06:21.44 | sep | sobersabre: 68k |
| 06:21.45 | sobersabre | commodore ? |
| 06:21.51 | MobyTurbo | sobersabre: Motorolla |
| 06:21.52 | jm_ | but then they also had 68040 and othe variants |
| 06:21.58 | sobersabre | hm |
| 06:22.02 | sep | and 68020 68030 68040 and some ppc variants in the last breath |
| 06:22.10 | sobersabre | hm |
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| 06:22.19 | sobersabre | brb |
| 06:22.55 | sep | sobersabre: you could actualy run 68030/40 and a ppc at the same time. |
| 06:23.15 | MobyTurbo | PPCs in macs emulated 68K pretty well |
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| 06:23.40 | xydarcher | streuner: that happens every time i tryed to install the system. when i reboot it many zeros and ones control the screen |
| 06:24.04 | xydarcher | jm_: what does it mean? |
| 06:24.11 | streuner | xydarcher: so use 'md5sum' to verify your CD |
| 06:24.22 | streuner | xydarcher: iso |
| 06:24.41 | positrix | how do i get ls to only list directories? |
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| 06:25.06 | streuner | xydarcher: what CPU do you have? |
| 06:25.12 | xydarcher | streuner iso would be right, because i installed one using the same iso. |
| 06:25.21 | jm_ | xydarcher: do you have it installed or do you get this error when booting a CD? |
| 06:25.27 | MobyTurbo | positrix: "man ls" might help |
| 06:25.51 | streuner | positrix: -d option, but follow the advice from MobyTurbo too |
| 06:26.18 | MobyTurbo | streuner: that only keeps one from seeing what's in a directory, not listing *only* directories. |
| 06:26.28 | dondelelcaro | positrix: that's not what ls is for. If you just want directories, find . -type d -maxdepth 1; |
| 06:26.46 | dondelelcaro | (-mindepth 1 may also be appropriate) |
| 06:27.28 | matchsticker | dondelelcaro: so complicated..ls should add some easy option to list dirs. Try, `ls -d */` |
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| 06:28.08 | dondelelcaro | ls -p|grep '/$'; is another method. |
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| 06:28.09 | MobyTurbo | matchsticker: GNU ls doesn't have enough options? ;-) |
| 06:28.34 | dondelelcaro | matchsticker: ls is just designed for listing the contents of directories. If you want something more complex, you're going to have to use find. |
| 06:28.47 | matchsticker | MobyTurbo: no easy option for listing directories only... |
| 06:29.09 | positrix | dondelelcaro: thanks. and i HAD looked at the man page first, btw |
| 06:29.15 | dondelelcaro | because that's not listing the contents of the directory. That's listing part of the contents of the directory |
| 06:29.27 | dondelelcaro | next thing you'll want find to have a -iname option |
| 06:29.30 | dondelelcaro | s/find/ls/ |
| 06:29.49 | xydarcher | streuner: it is intel cpu,i think |
| 06:30.21 | MobyTurbo | matchsticker: just pipe it through grep, or as dondelelcaro said find, having one program doing everything is against the Unix philosophy. |
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| 06:31.10 | MobyTurbo | though I think ls has nearly enough options to be doing everything. ;-) |
| 06:31.23 | dondelelcaro | MobyTurbo: nah... it doesn't come anywhere close to find |
| 06:31.30 | douglas | jm_: ok i manned, but just so i dont get any downtime, does this sound right on a default setup: replace iface eth0 inet dhcp with iface eth0 inet static ; address: my 192. ; network 192.168.0.0 ; netmask 255.255.255.0 ; gateway 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 06:31.39 | MobyTurbo | dondelelcaro: yeah, find is pretty full featured too. |
| 06:31.48 | matchsticker | MobyTurbo: lol, that's a good point. Maybe an alias would be nice. |
| 06:31.49 | dondelelcaro | find has close to a hundred, and moreover, it has -exec; with which you can do almost anything |
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| 06:31.55 | bob2 | matchsticker: ls -ld **/**(/) |
| 06:32.01 | bob2 | (on a decent shell) |
| 06:32.07 | sep | douglas: your gateway is outside your subnet, that will fail. |
| 06:32.12 | jm_ | douglas: yes, and make sure you also have the auto line |
| 06:32.23 | sep | douglas: unless you have a static route your not telling us about |
| 06:32.26 | streuner | haha |
| 06:32.28 | dondelelcaro | ls -p|grep '/$'; is that really so hard? |
| 06:32.46 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: non-recursive |
| 06:33.03 | dondelelcaro | bob2: it's not recursive |
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| 06:33.27 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: yes, but mine is ;p |
| 06:33.32 | dondelelcaro | if you want it recursive, use -R |
| 06:33.33 | douglas | sep: my gateway is the router that goes through a dsl adapter with a static ip on dumb mode with the linksys logging in pppoe style? |
| 06:33.48 | dondelelcaro | or hell, use find -type f; |
| 06:33.48 | streuner | xydarcher: and you are sure the CDROM works ok? |
| 06:33.51 | dondelelcaro | s/f/d/ |
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| 06:33.59 | matchsticker | dondelelcaro: how come if a filename contains a `/'? :-) |
| 06:34.07 | dondelelcaro | matchsticker: a filename can't. |
| 06:34.21 | MobyTurbo | matchsticker: then you desperately need to fsck |
| 06:34.27 | sep | douglas: you said gateway 192.168.1.1 that is outside a network 192.168.0.0 with netmask 255.255.255.0, nomatter what kind of box it is |
| 06:34.30 | dondelelcaro | / is absolutely invalid. |
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| 06:34.57 | sep | douglas: but yes that sounds like your gateway |
| 06:35.01 | matchsticker | dondelelcaro: ooh...u got me. |
| 06:35.05 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 06:35.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:35.14 | douglas | sep: oh .. i was just going off the example in the usr share docs .. so might i just not specify network? |
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| 06:35.46 | sep | douglas: no, but your allowed to enter a correct ip and network number |
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| 06:36.31 | sparr_ | MobyTurbo: u r s2pid |
| 06:36.33 | sep | douglas: ie use network 192.168.1.0 and ip 192.168.1.something |
| 06:36.41 | MobyTurbo | !r |
| 06:36.42 | dpkg | r is, like, a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
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| 06:37.10 | sep | douglas: also make sure your /etc/resolv.conf is something sane, since it might be generated from dhcp now |
| 06:37.21 | douglas | ah ok well i test this on my other box first.. thanks both of you, sep, jm_ |
| 06:37.29 | douglas | ok, i'll check the resolv |
| 06:37.40 | benjamindees | $ which qemu -> /usr/local/bin/qemu |
| 06:37.50 | benjamindees | $ qemu -> bash: /usr/bin/qemu: No such file or directory |
| 06:37.54 | xydarcher | streuner: yes , CDROM works correctly, because i installed the base system through it |
| 06:38.02 | bob2 | benjamindees: hash -r |
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| 06:38.42 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.49 | sep | douglas: it's also sane to set 192.168.1.something outside the dhcp range. just in case |
| 06:38.52 | benjamindees | bob2, ? |
| 06:38.58 | bob2 | benjamindees: does that fix it? |
| 06:39.11 | jm_ | 0101 is a lilo thing |
| 06:39.16 | streuner | xydarcher: so scroll up and read what jm_ told you |
| 06:39.19 | benjamindees | bob2, um, actually, yes, thanks :) |
| 06:39.31 | benjamindees | bob2, what is that, a bash thing? |
| 06:39.42 | carson | 'apt-get install libapache2-mod-fastcgi' ===> Package libapache2-mod-fastcgi is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 06:39.44 | streuner | xydarcher: so did you choose lilo as bootloader? |
| 06:39.45 | carson | how do i fix that? |
| 06:40.02 | bob2 | benjamindees: bash caches the executables it found in $PATH for tab-completion/etc |
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| 06:40.13 | bob2 | benjamindees: I'd have thought "which" would use that, but perhaps which isn't a bash builtin |
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| 06:40.55 | MobyTurbo | bob2: which isn't listed when you type "help" in bash |
| 06:41.02 | bob2 | ah |
| 06:41.18 | bob2 | it's a built-in in zsh |
| 06:41.23 | bob2 | but then so is the ftp client |
| 06:41.59 | jm_ | ftp is a module that you have to load in zsh |
| 06:42.06 | bob2 | right |
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| 06:45.08 | bob2 | the default zsh config is kinda crap, tho |
| 06:45.19 | bob2 | which makes it look slightly unawesome |
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| 06:46.45 | xydarcher | streuner:yes lilo has been chosen |
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| 06:47.16 | xydarcher | jm_: it is alright when i boot from cd and install the base system |
| 06:47.25 | douglas | jm_:/sep: is it ok in the resolv.conf if both boxes have the same host (what i resolve to on the outside) as long as the ips are different? |
| 06:49.21 | jm_ | xydarcher: try installing GRUB |
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| 06:50.08 | sobersabre | how can i setup mutt to have 2 compose actions - one that'll launch "vim" and the other "vim -H" ? |
| 06:50.12 | sobersabre | is it possible ? |
| 06:50.18 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: yes |
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| 06:50.29 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: have one change the editor that is launched, then call compose. |
| 06:50.48 | sobersabre | ok... how do i do it ? |
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| 06:50.59 | jm_ | read about keybindings in mutt |
| 06:51.02 | sobersabre | ok. |
| 06:51.08 | Milhouse | when you set up software raid device what kinda filesystem do you want. I have two hard drives and I set each filesystem type to software raid. (sda and sdb) |
| 06:51.22 | sobersabre | i mean which action shall i mess with ... |
| 06:51.25 | jm_ | the command is macro foo ... |
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| 06:52.16 | airbrush | hello |
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| 06:55.54 | xydarcher | jm_: but that occurs when installing system but booting, what does it do with this kmap file? |
| 06:56.56 | jm_ | xydarcher: maybe it loads a different keymapping, based on your language selection - did you use English? |
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| 06:57.44 | jm_ | xydarcher: you can boot into single user mode and delete /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz, or rename it |
| 06:58.01 | jm_ | or is it in /etc/console-tools ? |
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| 06:58.21 | jm_ | one is probably left on my system from old Debian version |
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| 06:58.50 | xydarcher | no i am using other language environment |
| 06:59.04 | xydarcher | ok, i will try that |
| 06:59.05 | jm_ | looks like /etc/console is old one |
| 06:59.41 | xydarcher | woody use /etc/console all the same |
| 06:59.49 | jm_ | silly me, both are used |
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| 07:01.38 | jm_ | xydarcher: also rename the one in /etc/console |
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| 07:01.58 | jm_ | no sorry, I mentioned this one before, rename the one in /etc/console-tools |
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| 07:03.47 | airbrush | are there any listings on the debian site for the packages on a cd? |
| 07:04.02 | jm_ | I don't think so |
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| 07:04.17 | Milhouse | apt-get install gayporn |
| 07:04.31 | AciD|Wrk | oi |
| 07:04.35 | bob2 | thanks for your insightfulf contribution |
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| 07:05.05 | tarzeau | airbrush: for i386 or which cds? |
| 07:05.11 | tarzeau | airbrush: there's like 12 sets of cds |
| 07:05.41 | airbrush | for the i386 netinstall cds, sarge and sid |
| 07:06.03 | jm_ | should be trivial to get the listing using isoinfo |
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| 07:06.06 | tarzeau | airbrush: there is no sid cds |
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| 07:06.25 | airbrush | excuse me, sid builds |
| 07:06.42 | tarzeau | airbrush: nobody should use sid cd builds |
| 07:07.23 | airbrush | then what, install sarge and update to testing? |
| 07:07.32 | tarzeau | airbrush: or sid(unstable) yes |
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| 07:07.45 | tarzeau | airbrush: you can ask dpkg or apt about it by typing !stable->testing (or sid) |
| 07:08.17 | airbrush | ok |
| 07:08.28 | airbrush | thank you |
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| 07:09.42 | cahoot | I have a small but irritating problem with updating, for some reason upgrade of netkit-inetd (0.10-10.1) stumbles on the config - seems to me because of this error: RET='10 netbase/inetd-dos-services doesn'\''t exist' - can I resolve this or force the install? |
| 07:09.49 | nvz | you mean /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 07:10.16 | tarzeau | nvz: yes ah true the ! doesn't seem to work |
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| 07:11.46 | nvz | lucky for you guys you cant hear all the cursing I am doing |
| 07:11.51 | jm_ | cahoot: dpkg -i it, see what exactly fails, fix it and submit a bug |
| 07:12.23 | nvz | I am now on GTA-SA for xbox where I was stuck when I bought it for PS2 when it first came out.. on this fucking supply lines mission |
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| 07:12.52 | unimatrix9 | hi there |
| 07:13.24 | unimatrix9 | i need to turn off monitor sleep |
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| 07:14.16 | nvz | unimatrix9: you probably mean screen saving or dpms settings |
| 07:14.19 | cahoot | jm_: 'dpkg -i netkit-inetd' didn't give any useful info at all |
| 07:14.21 | nvz | unimatrix9: for console or X? |
| 07:14.24 | unimatrix9 | i thought to do it like this, #! /bin/bash |
| 07:14.24 | unimatrix9 | xset s off |
| 07:14.31 | jm_ | cahoot: that would be because you don't use dpkg like that |
| 07:14.38 | unimatrix9 | can i add this to initd? |
| 07:14.39 | omry_work | Hi, I am trying to install sarge on from the netinst cd, and the setup won't detect the cdrom (although it boots from it just fine) if I boot linux26. if I boot linux24 it works fine. any idea how to work my way around it and still install 2.6? |
| 07:14.45 | jm_ | unimatrix9: no |
| 07:14.50 | nvz | unimatrix9: no because X hasnt started |
| 07:15.04 | nvz | unimatrix9: you add it to ~/.xsession so its run when you login (you would hope) |
| 07:15.18 | jm_ | you can also set it in XF86Config-4 |
| 07:15.21 | nvz | unimatrix9: but you want xset s off, and xset -dpms as well |
| 07:15.28 | nvz | jm_: even better idea :) |
| 07:15.31 | Cordovan | morning |
| 07:16.13 | unimatrix9 | i dont have an xf86config-4, becuase this is damn small linux wich uses an different xserver |
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| 07:16.28 | nvz | unimatrix9: then wtf are you asking questions in #debian for? |
| 07:16.29 | jm_ | then why are you asking in #debian? |
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| 07:16.44 | unimatrix9 | well, its sort of debian.. |
| 07:17.05 | jm_ | heh |
| 07:17.10 | streuner_ | !based on debian |
| 07:17.10 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 07:17.49 | jm_ | ubuntusmite unimatrix9 |
| 07:17.52 | jm_ | !ubuntusmite unimatrix9 |
| 07:18.09 | nvz | awe shit son, I think I am gonna beat it this time, I destroyed 3 of 5 coriers and still have like 95% fuel left |
| 07:18.22 | tarzeau | did i miss any ubuntu lines? |
| 07:18.27 | jm_ | naah |
| 07:18.35 | tarzeau | damn i can't lart people when i ignore ubuntu lines |
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| 07:18.51 | streuner | hehe :-) |
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| 07:20.21 | pehdepano | hi, i just installed debian here, and after installed X it asked for my monitor and i answered "medium" now i only can do 800x600 |
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| 07:20.37 | pehdepano | i already tried xf86config but seens to make no effect |
| 07:20.53 | streuner | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root |
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| 07:21.07 | nvz | fuck! |
| 07:21.12 | pehdepano | streuner tkz |
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| 07:21.31 | nvz | this mission pisses me off in ways I simply cannot understand |
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| 07:23.22 | unimatrix9 | found x session |
| 07:23.23 | nvz | now the damn tv is fucking with me.. this tv does not want to fuck with me, I have a multimeter, a soldering iron, a cordless soldering iron, and a screwdriver |
| 07:23.28 | nvz | and I know how to use them |
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| 07:23.52 | unimatrix9 | but i guess i cant ask help here more? |
| 07:23.59 | Gnea | blah... in vim i know how to [u]ndo something, but how can i 'redo'? |
| 07:24.09 | streuner | unimatrix9: install debian |
| 07:24.26 | nvz | unimatrix9: you can ask, but you will annoy people, and you will get advice that wont work for you |
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| 07:24.33 | jm_ | :help undo |
| 07:25.11 | Gnea | !beer jm_ |
| 07:25.38 | unimatrix9 | hmm, strange, i installed a lot of debian pc's and a lot of linux, and still do, dont know why youi are so on the edge here lately.. |
| 07:25.50 | unimatrix9 | but hee, thats life! |
| 07:26.08 | jm_ | it gets annoying after about one thousand questions like yours |
| 07:26.39 | jm_ | you give them a solution, then they say "but I can do this, I don't have such file - this is not Debian, although it's based on Debian" |
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| 07:26.45 | unimatrix9 | i thought mine to be rather unique... |
| 07:26.47 | jm_ | can't* |
| 07:26.50 | unimatrix9 | hehe |
| 07:27.07 | benjamindees | unimatrix9, you do realize the whole point of using Ubuntu is to get their support, right? |
| 07:27.13 | jm_ | well anyway, you were given generic solution, now apply it to your situation |
| 07:27.14 | unimatrix9 | any way i still wish you the best in life.. |
| 07:27.32 | unimatrix9 | by the way , i dont use ubuntu.. |
| 07:27.41 | Gnea | munimatrix9: what's the problem? |
| 07:27.45 | xerophyte | does anybody order linux DVD from cheapbytes ifs do they send DVD-R or pressed DVD? |
| 07:27.45 | jm_ | yes I know - people think you do because I used ubuntusmite |
| 07:28.11 | Gnea | i haven't ordered from cheapbytes in *YEARS* |
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| 07:28.40 | streuner | xerphyte: they haven't a email adress? :-P |
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| 07:29.01 | unimatrix9 | i was just setting up an linux box for an humanitarian organisation.. |
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| 07:29.26 | liable | if I have resolve.conf set right, why wouldnt I be able to resolve in a chroot using ppp0 |
| 07:29.32 | nvz | unimatrix9: how cruel |
| 07:29.36 | benjamindees | unimatrix9, so, what is DSL based on, woody? |
| 07:29.44 | nvz | unimatrix9: it was very unhumain of you to not use debian |
| 07:29.52 | Gnea | !helixsmite benjamindees |
| 07:29.57 | mdh | Can I go home now? |
| 07:30.11 | mdh | I've been hacking vbscript all day and hence had to switch my brain off |
| 07:30.21 | Gnea | !tell unimatrix9 about ask |
| 07:30.40 | nvz | Gnea: wtf is that suppose to mean? whats a basket of shaved genitalia got to do with helix |
| 07:31.02 | Gnea | nvz: everything, apparantly |
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| 07:31.25 | nvz | grr.. this tv is going to have to be fixed.. and it sucks it has to happen when I am about to beat possibly the hardest mission on this game |
| 07:31.39 | nvz | or, I just need to shove something in it |
| 07:31.46 | Gnea | lol |
| 07:31.54 | Gnea | nvz: want my tv? |
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| 07:32.12 | unimatrix9 | asking for decentcy thats all... |
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| 07:32.18 | unimatrix9 | well, i am off |
| 07:32.19 | nvz | this one is fine, just the rca video input is comming loose, needs soldered better |
| 07:32.37 | unimatrix9 | good luck and happy debianing |
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| 07:32.43 | Gnea | it's got a 6" screen, black and white, with no coax and no rca - just a pair of u-hooks.. oh, and an antenna |
| 07:32.48 | pehdepano | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 didnt worked.... still making only 800x600 :( |
| 07:33.09 | Gnea | unimatrix9: we are being decent. you are not being cooperative. |
| 07:33.13 | pehdepano | any other idea? |
| 07:33.13 | resiak | pehdepano: Did you restart X? Have you manually edited XF86Config4 ? |
| 07:33.29 | pehdepano | yes i restarted x |
| 07:33.31 | resiak | Gnea: Ah well. |
| 07:33.49 | Gnea | resiak: heh, she thinks she has problems now... |
| 07:33.50 | pehdepano | didnt edit manually XF86Config4 |
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| 07:34.18 | Gnea | food is good |
| 07:34.21 | positrix | pehdepano: ctrl-alt-numplus should shange your X resolution |
| 07:34.23 | nvz | yay! I destroyed all 5 coriers, now all I got to do is make it back to the rooftop :) |
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| 07:34.52 | positrix | nvz: what game you playing? |
| 07:34.54 | nvz | though I made it this far 6 months ago, and made it to the edge of the rooftop, and ran out of fuel |
| 07:34.57 | pehdepano | positrix just tried, changed to 640x480 and then back to 800x600 |
| 07:35.01 | nvz | positrix: gta-sa for xbox |
| 07:35.36 | pehdepano | on kde control center, the highst mode is 800x600 |
| 07:35.41 | liable | so, wtf can I do about getting internet through a chroot? |
| 07:35.50 | nvz | this mission is why I quit playing the game at like 35% completion on the PS2 |
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| 07:36.33 | nvz | oh I got it licked now ,like 55% fuel, and I can see the rooftop from here, I am way above it and gliding |
| 07:37.06 | kawazu | hi all... trying to create a raid-5 array on debian, which seems to work well but refuses to be there after rebooting the system... :/ what to do? |
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| 07:37.53 | nvz | ahh! victory.. zero feels my pain, he says "Smell that ozone. you know that smell, smells like victory" |
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| 07:38.09 | pehdepano | no other ideas? |
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| 07:45.00 | werdnaxoc | >> Unable to find the Ncurses libraries. |
| 07:45.00 | werdnaxoc | >> |
| 07:45.00 | werdnaxoc | >> You must have Ncurses installed in order |
| 07:45.00 | werdnaxoc | >> to use 'make menuconfig' |
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| 07:45.09 | werdnaxoc | oops |
| 07:45.13 | jm_ | werdnaxoc: stop flooding - /msg dpkg menuconfig |
| 07:45.50 | werdnaxoc | thank you |
| 07:45.51 | werdnaxoc | :) |
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| 07:47.36 | cat-dog | where is xmms-skins installed ? |
| 07:47.41 | cat-dog | i cant find iy |
| 07:47.43 | cat-dog | it |
| 07:47.54 | jm_ | read the FAQ |
| 07:48.30 | werdnaxoc | where in the kernel would you find devfs support? |
| 07:48.47 | jm_ | file systems obviously |
| 07:48.48 | cat-dog | hi |
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| 07:49.59 | werdnaxoc | I cannot find it in there :( |
| 07:50.08 | eXoDuS | special filesystem types |
| 07:50.13 | eXoDuS | but devfs is obsolete |
| 07:50.40 | jm_ | it says /dev file system, maybe you should read things more carefully or just not compile it yourself |
| 07:50.57 | cmihai | How do you mount UFS? For example /dev/hda2 is a Solaris partition. "mount -t ufs /dev/hda2 /mnt/sun" does not work. hdd has a FreeBSD slice, "mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd /dev/hdd8 /mnt/bsd" does not work (wrong fs type, bad option, bla bla). I did modprobe UFS. What's the deal? (bsd is UFS2). |
| 07:51.01 | cat-dog | yeah i got it! |
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| 07:51.16 | werdnaxoc | kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 07:51.37 | Gnea | werdnaxoc: you haven't looked everywhere then |
| 07:53.03 | werdnaxoc | I have /dev/pts enabled |
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| 07:53.41 | werdnaxoc | would that do a devfs ?? |
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| 07:53.50 | cmihai | I just did "mount -t ufs -r -o ufstype=sun /dev/hda2 /mnt/sun" an it still does not work., |
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| 07:54.27 | cmihai | dmesg shows ufs_read_super: bad magic number |
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| 07:54.50 | acidsphinx | Hi all |
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| 07:55.21 | werdnaxoc | how sooon will technology come out till we start attacking aliens |
| 07:55.31 | acidsphinx | I just installed a new old graphics card and I can't get X to start - says 'no screens' |
| 07:55.36 | werdnaxoc | humans have killed 50 million of their own kind, demolished 17 hundred cities |
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| 07:56.10 | hardcampa- | I'm still alive! |
| 07:56.14 | hardcampa- | duh |
| 07:56.17 | Gnea | cmihai: how about just mount -t ufs /dev/hda2 /mnt/sun |
| 07:56.41 | cmihai | Gnea: nope. |
| 07:56.53 | Gnea | cmihai: same error? |
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| 07:57.15 | kruzi | heya all anyone around |
| 07:57.19 | cmihai | Gnea: You didn't specify the type of your ufs filesystem |
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| 07:57.28 | cmihai | You need the -o ufstype=sun |
| 07:57.34 | kruzi | does debian sarge have a amd64 bit version available? |
| 07:57.40 | acidsphinx | I've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 - I still get same error |
| 07:57.41 | cmihai | "mount -t ufs -o ufstype=sun|sunx86|44bsd|ufs2|5xbsd|old|hp|nextstep|netxstep-cd|openstep ..." |
| 07:57.46 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 07:57.47 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 07:57.48 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 07:57.49 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 07:58.13 | Gnea | cmihai: but i am not trying to mount it, you are |
| 07:58.30 | kruzi | gnea: its still beta. can i run i386 on my 64bit ? |
| 07:58.43 | jm_ | it's not beta |
| 07:58.44 | Gnea | kruzi: i heard 'yes' |
| 07:58.49 | Gnea | kruzi: and it's not beta |
| 07:58.57 | Gnea | kruzi: where does it say 'beta'? |
| 07:59.03 | kruzi | well its not official yet |
| 07:59.06 | cmihai | "mount -t ufs -r -o ufstype=ufs2 /dev/hdd8 /mnt/bsd/" Seems to work. |
| 07:59.14 | kruzi | as per #debian-amd64 topic. |
| 07:59.21 | kano_x | hallo all |
| 07:59.25 | Gnea | what does the website say |
| 07:59.36 | acidsphinx | kano_x: hi |
| 07:59.48 | kano_x | help me |
| 08:00.03 | Gnea | !troll kano_x |
| 08:00.05 | xerophyte | i used this to burn my dvd growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /some/files got a diks with filename filename.??? i mean 8.3 format how can i get longfile name on the dvd |
| 08:00.26 | Gnea | !tell kano_x about ask |
| 08:00.35 | kruzi | hmmm/ |
| 08:00.41 | kruzi | i much prefer debian than fedora :) |
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| 08:01.00 | kruzi | is wifi pci support ok with sarge |
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| 08:01.04 | kano_x | where i download knoppix3.4? |
| 08:01.08 | kruzi | im sure it is but doesn't hurt to ask |
| 08:01.09 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 08:01.10 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 08:01.11 | Eclipser | #knoppix |
| 08:01.22 | jm_ | xerophyte: make sure your kernel supports rock ridge/joliet extensions and don't mount it using norock/nojoliet mount options |
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| 08:02.12 | bob2 | kruzi: yes, it's fine |
| 08:02.23 | acidsphinx | can anyone point me in the right direction with my problem?? |
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| 08:02.33 | bob2 | not that you'll normally need to compile external drivers yourself |
| 08:02.43 | sewi | hello, I need to have gnuplot from cvs instead of the sarge package. i want to create my own package. Before ./configure i have to write "./prepare", where it should go? debian/rules? How does my gnuplot package from cvs should be named? |
| 08:02.55 | liable_ | ok, I have chrooted into another debian install on my box, ppp0 is running, but I cant resolve host in the chroot, ideas? |
| 08:02.59 | Gnea | !wifi |
| 08:03.00 | dpkg | wifi is, like, a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
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| 08:03.11 | nvz | paying attention is a good thing |
| 08:03.23 | vali | !god |
| 08:03.24 | nvz | I just took apart more of this tv then I had to |
| 08:03.24 | dpkg | god is probably See 'beer'. |
| 08:03.25 | Gnea | liable_: generate a /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:03.32 | liable_ | Gnea: done. |
| 08:03.35 | vali | :D |
| 08:03.36 | Eclipser | haha |
| 08:03.41 | xydarcher | it is all because of bad kmap |
| 08:03.45 | Eclipser | !beer |
| 08:03.45 | dpkg | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
| 08:03.46 | kano_x | ok thanks |
| 08:03.47 | benjamindees | liable, copy libresolv |
| 08:03.49 | xydarcher | key map |
| 08:03.52 | Gnea | liable_: still doesn't work? |
| 08:04.29 | liable_ | Gnea: yeah, one sec |
| 08:04.31 | nvz | eh. nm that definatly had to come out first |
| 08:04.34 | xerophyte | jm_, i have support in the kernel compiled in |
| 08:05.08 | nvz | I HATE fixing tvs, CRTs scare me.. |
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| 08:05.26 | xydarcher | should i still need to delete the boottime.kmap file? |
| 08:05.47 | xerophyte | jm_, but i still get the 8.3 :( |
| 08:05.48 | liable_ | Gnea: forget it, doh, put an e in there :P |
| 08:06.02 | Gnea | nvz: you should just pick it up and throw it out the window onto the pavement |
| 08:06.07 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:06.11 | Gnea | liable_: hehehe |
| 08:06.18 | nvz | Gnea: its an easy fix |
| 08:06.24 | Gnea | nvz: it sure is |
| 08:06.24 | benjamindees | nvz, but I thought you had a soldering iron, and a cordless soldering iron? |
| 08:06.42 | nvz | I think.. I am seconds away from removing the front IC that has the RCA jacks on it and finding out |
| 08:07.09 | tarzeau | OUF gconf blows /etc up to 33 mb |
| 08:07.14 | jm_ | xerophyte: verify the CD with isoinfo |
| 08:07.15 | tarzeau | i used to have a 1mb /etc |
| 08:07.30 | tarzeau | what happens if i rm -rf /etc/gconf ? |
| 08:07.40 | nvz | benjamindees: that doesnt stop this CRT from kicking my ass through a wall, or blowing my knuckle out if there should be a hairline fracture in the annode or something |
| 08:07.57 | Gnea | i can see tomorrow's headlines now: "GUY THROWS SHIT-FIT BECAUSE HE COULDN'T PLAY HIS VIDEO GAME THREW THE BROKEN TV OUT THE WINDOW, KILLING POOR MRS. PETERSON'S DOG FIFI." |
| 08:08.02 | xerophyte | jm_ wwhat i am looking for there i have dvd+rw-mediainfo |
| 08:08.17 | xydarcher | would it be a big problem that we choose a wrong key map? |
| 08:08.51 | jm_ | xerophyte: no, isoinfo -lJ -i /dev/yourdrive, then also isoinfo -lR -i ... |
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| 08:09.33 | sypher | hey guys, can someone suggest me a good prog to build net graphs? I mean, the notation that has the hosts as squares and such ... just to save time drawing squares in xpaint ^_^ |
| 08:09.44 | tarzeau | sypher: graphviz ? |
| 08:09.55 | Gnea | sypher: ntop |
| 08:09.59 | benjamindees | crap, I'm going to have to update to sid if I want to build a new version of qemu :( |
| 08:10.15 | Gnea | sid's not too bad this week |
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| 08:10.38 | yazid_work | The weight on a crt through air pressure is about that of a car.... |
| 08:10.41 | douglas | anybody got a link for apache conf tweaking tips, like what should I set the max keepalives and max clients etc at if i'm running an image site getting 2000 uniques a day but on a 50KBps/out line ... That kind of stuff? |
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| 08:11.05 | Gnea | yazid_work: when linked to the velocity of a cat scared out of its mind. |
| 08:11.20 | yazid_work | Gnea: car not cat |
| 08:11.24 | sypher | tarzeau, ok ill try that out thanks |
| 08:11.34 | Gnea | yazid_work: you fail to see the corelation. |
| 08:11.46 | yazid_work | Gnea: maybe... half busy ;-) |
| 08:11.54 | Gnea | yazid_work: good excuse ;) |
| 08:12.00 | sewi | anybody knows a howto on making a debian package from cvs repository? |
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| 08:12.18 | Gnea | sewi: what cvs repo? |
| 08:12.28 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 08:12.37 | sewi | Gnea, gnuplot from cvs |
| 08:13.02 | amorphix | whats the command to start gnome? |
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| 08:13.16 | amorphix | my desktop is screwed |
| 08:13.25 | sewi | Gnea, I'm not sure what name should my package have and where to put "./prepare" before "./configure" |
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| 08:14.11 | vali | amorphix, try with: echo "exec gnome-session" > .xinitrc and then startx as usual |
| 08:14.12 | amorphix | netcraft: coucou |
| 08:14.21 | amorphix | vali: thanks |
| 08:14.46 | netcraft | :) |
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| 08:15.17 | nvz | well doesnt look like soldering is the problem here |
| 08:15.52 | Gnea | sewi: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html |
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| 08:15.59 | nvz | the audio jack is definatly come unsoldered, but it works fine.. its the video that goes out |
| 08:16.14 | asad2005 | scrollkeeper-update: error while loading shared libraries: libxslt.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory while removing gnome-gv |
| 08:16.25 | asad2005 | any help |
| 08:16.52 | nvz | oh well might as well find the soldering iron and hit it anyway.. |
| 08:16.54 | asad2005 | apt-get cannot do anything now always comes back with same error |
| 08:17.04 | Gnea | asad2005: apt-get -f install |
| 08:17.17 | sewi | Gnea, thanks, I'll check it |
| 08:17.21 | nvz | just realized my meter isnt in working condition, which is why I am relying on looks |
| 08:17.33 | nvz | dont feel like fixing my meter just to test this damn thing |
| 08:17.52 | asad2005 | tried apt-get -f install same error |
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| 08:18.22 | Gnea | asad2005: apt-get install libxslt1 |
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| 08:19.11 | yage | Is there any good, updated and possibly "debian friendly" crypto fs howto? |
| 08:19.17 | asad2005 | Gnea, thanks tried also that same as apt-get tries first with removing gnome-gv and returns same error |
| 08:19.58 | Gnea | asad2005: try apt-get install gnome-gv |
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| 08:21.10 | amirse | what can i use as a graphical front-end for scp? |
| 08:21.29 | resiak | amirse: Nautilus? Konqueror? |
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| 08:21.46 | Nurbs | yage: for device mapper crypto(partitions|root) on kernel 2.6 install cryptsetup and check /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup |
| 08:21.47 | asad2005 | Gnea, same error scrollkeeper-update: error while loading shared libraries: libxslt.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:21.58 | gfdsgfds | hello |
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| 08:22.11 | nvz | amirse: secpanel |
| 08:22.18 | Joslyn | Hi |
| 08:22.34 | asad2005 | Gnea, Do I have to remove and install apt-get |
| 08:22.36 | Gnea | asad2005: ls -l /usr/lib/libxslt.so* |
| 08:22.53 | Joslyn | Can someone help me with alsa? |
| 08:22.59 | nvz | amirse: never heard of it before now, so if its anygood I wouldnt mind hearing about it.. |
| 08:23.04 | Gnea | asad2005: only if you enjoy shootingi yourself in the foot |
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| 08:23.10 | Gnea | !tell Joslyn about rules |
| 08:23.20 | tirkal | how do I know which debian version I'm running? |
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| 08:23.35 | Gnea | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:23.36 | asad2005 | Gnea, ls: /usr/lib/libxslt.so*: No such file or directory |
| 08:23.43 | amirse | thanks |
| 08:23.53 | tirkal | Gnea: thx |
| 08:24.02 | Gnea | np |
| 08:24.18 | asad2005 | cat /etc/debian_version 3.1 |
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| 08:26.01 | gfdsgfds | is debian ppc any good? |
| 08:26.10 | Gnea | asad2005: you've had some real fun mucking your system up today, havent you? |
| 08:27.54 | asad2005 | Gnea no its a fresh install amd64 ubuntu and during installation some packages fail and installer brings aptitude which i know very little about |
| 08:28.14 | Joslyn | I want to let applications use an ALSA sound device simultaneously by default with using ESD daemon. So I copied /usr/share/doc/libasound2/examples/asound.conf_dmix to /etc/asound.conf and issued "aplay foobar.wav" while playing music. But it doesn't play. |
| 08:28.16 | fooz | who's using linux on an AMD64 laptop? |
| 08:28.34 | jm_ | Joslyn: why not rely on dmix instead? |
| 08:28.38 | asad2005 | I am now downloading alioth net install sid and sarge to test |
| 08:29.20 | asad2005 | Gnea, which one better for Desktop Sid or Sarge |
| 08:29.23 | nvz | Joslyn: for ESD to work, all sounds how to be output using ESD plugins, directly to ESD afaik |
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| 08:29.51 | gfdsgfds | gnight all |
| 08:30.14 | Gnea | asad2005: leave #debian, go join #kanotix and get one of their iso's and install that - that's designed for desktops (uses sid) |
| 08:30.15 | asad2005 | Gnea, but recovering from a broken package in synaptic or apt-get is always a pain |
| 08:30.17 | Joslyn | jm_: I am trying to do that. Can you tell me how? The default file /usr/share/doc/libasound2/examples/asound.conf.dmix doesn't seem to work |
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| 08:30.41 | Gnea | asad2005: unstable is meant to find bugs like that. that's why you used it. |
| 08:30.53 | Gnea | whether you realized it or not. |
| 08:30.54 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:31.06 | asad2005 | Gnea, I am a fan of Gnome and ubuntu is excellent in 32bit |
| 08:31.28 | Gnea | asad2005: you have not experienced linux then. |
| 08:31.43 | asad2005 | Gnea, why is that |
| 08:31.59 | Gnea | asad2005: ever notice now much Gnome looks and feels like windows? |
| 08:32.04 | asad2005 | Gnea, I have been with linux for a while |
| 08:32.42 | asad2005 | Gnea, to me KDE crushes often, but gnome is solid |
| 08:32.48 | nvz | heh |
| 08:32.51 | Gnea | heh |
| 08:32.51 | Joslyn | nvz: If ESD runs on top of ALSA, and if ALSA is configured to use dmix, a regular OSS application or non-ESD app can also play sounds together with other ESD apps at the same time. Can't they? |
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| 08:33.05 | nvz | as if someone needed KDE or Gnome or any DE for that matter to use linux |
| 08:33.08 | hardcampa- | Gnea ffs |
| 08:33.21 | jm_ | Joslyn: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 08:33.22 | hardcampa- | looks like windows... that's so silly |
| 08:33.24 | Gnea | hardcampa-: what? |
| 08:33.34 | Gnea | and yet so true. |
| 08:33.43 | hardcampa- | You mean KDE doesn't? |
| 08:33.46 | Gnea | come on, get a clue |
| 08:33.52 | Gnea | i didn't say that. |
| 08:33.56 | nvz | Joslyn: you lost me at ALSA+OSS+DMIX+ESD, afaik these things dont play together |
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| 08:34.41 | Gnea | hardcampa-: i only made the distinct ascertian that gnome does. agreed, so does kde. but that's the point of gnome and kde: to make linux look attractive to windows users |
| 08:34.54 | hardcampa- | Rather to make them usable I would say |
| 08:35.08 | Gnea | thus enforcing what i just said. |
| 08:35.19 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:35.20 | hardcampa- | ok so you got a better idea? |
| 08:35.30 | Gnea | i know i do. |
| 08:35.31 | hardcampa- | on how to design guis that is |
| 08:35.52 | Gnea | you've never actually used anything else either, have you? |
| 08:36.02 | hardcampa- | Gnea like what? |
| 08:36.11 | Gnea | hardcampa-: what else have you used? |
| 08:36.27 | hardcampa- | Other than windows and unixes guis ? |
| 08:36.49 | hardcampa- | You could add amiga os into that category as well btw |
| 08:36.51 | Gnea | that would be 'unicies' |
| 08:36.52 | hardcampa- | and mac |
| 08:37.01 | Gnea | you mean |
| 08:37.04 | Gnea | workbench |
| 08:37.06 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:37.14 | hardcampa- | yes and what is better? |
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| 08:37.27 | hardcampa- | Just show me |
| 08:37.30 | hardcampa- | or stfu |
| 08:37.38 | Gnea | and macos9's and previous gui's were integrated |
| 08:37.41 | Gnea | pardon? |
| 08:37.43 | Nurbs | kids... |
| 08:37.45 | Gnea | stfu? |
| 08:37.47 | Gnea | you moron. |
| 08:37.50 | hardcampa- | haha |
| 08:37.57 | Gnea | hardcampa-: http://gnea.net/gallery/screenshots/e17_ss?full=1 |
| 08:38.00 | Gnea | suck on it. |
| 08:38.25 | Gnea | oh wait, that's probably not enough |
| 08:38.45 | hardcampa- | heh enlightenment? |
| 08:38.59 | hardcampa- | ok say no more. Now I know you're a webmaster with red hair |
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| 08:39.14 | Gnea | hardcampa-: http://gnea.net/gallery/screenshots/aae?full=1 |
| 08:39.34 | nvz | yeehaw boys and girls, thats a fixed tv |
| 08:39.44 | tirkal | ok, I get tons of errors trying to apt-get install anything |
| 08:39.46 | hardcampa- | You do realise of course that enlightenment is all about graphics and lacks in everything else |
| 08:39.57 | Gnea | you do realise, of course, that you are wrong. |
| 08:40.07 | nvz | Gnea: no, really its fixed :P |
| 08:40.07 | hardcampa- | yea riight.. whatever man. |
| 08:40.08 | tirkal | there's some problem with configures, and a zillion packages are non-configured. |
| 08:40.13 | Gnea | it's true. |
| 08:40.22 | Gnea | nvz: cool |
| 08:40.38 | Gnea | hardcampa-: have you ever used E? |
| 08:40.40 | benjamindees | Joslyn, I don't think you can use alsa and oss_emulation at the same time, no |
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| 08:41.04 | Gnea | Joslyn: check out jack |
| 08:41.20 | hardcampa- | Gnea enlightenment is what you use when you're 15 and still believe fancy borders actually serve a purpose. |
| 08:41.26 | hardcampa- | yes I've used it |
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| 08:41.33 | Gnea | hardcampa-: you're how old? |
| 08:41.38 | hardcampa- | 37 |
| 08:41.49 | Gnea | E was not around when you were 15. |
| 08:41.57 | hardcampa- | No but I've used it |
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| 08:42.08 | Gnea | and when you were 33, yes, that statement held water. but not today. |
| 08:42.16 | omry_work | anyone knows of a nice vns server startup script for debian that will allow me to autostart vncservers for some users on boot? |
| 08:42.16 | hardcampa- | oh really how so? |
| 08:42.23 | Gnea | go and try it |
| 08:42.33 | Gnea | and shut your old fart up |
| 08:42.35 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:42.41 | hardcampa- | ok so you are 15 |
| 08:42.42 | hardcampa- | hehe |
| 08:42.45 | Gnea | no |
| 08:42.46 | Gnea | i'm 30 |
| 08:42.47 | Joslyn | jm_: is dmix a kernel module or something else? What do I need to get it installed? |
| 08:42.50 | hardcampa- | yeee right |
| 08:43.00 | jm_ | Joslyn: it's ALSA plugin |
| 08:43.02 | Gnea | for a minute i coulda sworn you were 12 |
| 08:43.06 | Gnea | or maybe 17 |
| 08:43.10 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: E surely was... |
| 08:43.11 | Gnea | since you eventually caved |
| 08:43.12 | jm_ | Joslyn: "/msg dpkg dmix" in your IRC client and read |
| 08:43.24 | hardcampa- | Gneo whatever rocks your boat. |
| 08:43.46 | vali | omry_work, take a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 08:43.49 | hardcampa- | Gnea* |
| 08:43.57 | Gnea | hardcampa-: i don't have to say anything more - go try it and don't knock it till you've seen what's out there *now* or stfu. |
| 08:44.10 | dondelelcaro | Gnea,hardcampa-: just use /ignore already, please. |
| 08:44.21 | hardcampa- | dondelelcaro ok |
| 08:44.21 | Gnea | oh no problem there |
| 08:46.20 | omry_work | vali, I am looking for something that will read a configuration file of the vnc sessions, red hat has something like that. |
| 08:47.23 | acidsphinx | I still havn't had any luck with then new gfx card - I keep getting the error 'no screens' - I am total noob to debian and don't even know how to read a text file yet |
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| 08:47.45 | Gnea | acidsphinx: cat file.txt |
| 08:47.50 | Gnea | acidsphinx: cat file.txt | more |
| 08:47.53 | acidsphinx | does anyone have a bit of time to help?? |
| 08:48.00 | acidsphinx | ok ty |
| 08:48.02 | Gnea | !tell acidsphinx about rules |
| 08:48.11 | jm_ | !tell acidsphinx -about noscreensfound |
| 08:48.41 | jm_ | !tell acidsphinx -about X logfile |
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| 08:48.47 | pitillo | buenos dias |
| 08:48.53 | Gnea | acidsphinx: what gfx card is it? |
| 08:49.07 | acidsphinx | GForce 6600 GT |
| 08:49.29 | jm_ | AciD|Wrk: you'll need nvidia drivers for that, or X.org server |
| 08:49.33 | acidsphinx | soz - is !tell a command I type at prompt?? |
| 08:49.48 | Gnea | !tell acidsphinx about nvidia-howto |
| 08:50.00 | Gnea | acidsphinx: it's a channel command - pay it little mind |
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| 08:50.02 | acidsphinx | I got the drivers - but they won't install because of kernel or somethin (I installed 2.6) |
| 08:50.02 | rmrfchik | acidsphinx: i have 6800 gt and debian. all works. fine |
| 08:50.11 | rmrfchik | acidsphinx: have you install nvidia driver? |
| 08:50.24 | Gnea | acidsphinx: then you probably need the kernel-headers-2.6 |
| 08:50.43 | acidsphinx | how do I get that from a prompt? |
| 08:51.32 | Gnea | apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.6 then apt-get install the right one |
| 08:51.34 | BroTroxe | Is it possible to add md5 to a debian woody install even though it was dropped during the system installation? |
| 08:51.58 | Guerin | BroTroxe: eh? |
| 08:52.25 | Gnea | BroTroxe: coreutils got uninstalled? |
| 08:52.27 | rmrfchik | acidsphinx: u have to download driver in .tar.gz from nvidia.com |
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| 08:52.32 | BroTroxe | Guerin, Did a mistake over here, awnsered no to md5 passwords and now we figured out that we should have said yes, is it possible to change that now? |
| 08:52.48 | Gnea | !tell rmrfchik about nvidia |
| 08:52.50 | acidsphinx | Gnea: ok I will go try that now - I'll brb if it doesn't work |
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| 08:53.55 | Guerin | BroTroxe: oh. dpkg-reconfigure -plow passwd? |
| 08:54.02 | Guerin | or maybe some pam package... |
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| 08:54.30 | Guerin | raf256: hopefully not. |
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| 08:55.25 | BroTroxe | Guerin, thanks |
| 08:55.52 | rmrfchik | Gnea: whats wrong with nvidia? I always use install and have no problem. Did I miss something? |
| 08:56.12 | Guerin | rmrfchik: something will break one day. |
| 08:56.22 | Gnea | rmrfchik: it is not the debian way |
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| 08:56.47 | nvz | rmrfchik: if you upgrade a kernel, or something else, is that nvidia tar.gz going to update automatically? |
| 08:56.58 | rmrfchik | ahh... u mean this |
| 08:57.03 | Gnea | rmrfchik: also, the problem isn't with the package, it's the fact he's using a precompiled kernel with no source installed to back it up with |
| 08:57.33 | rmrfchik | so, I know how to deal with this..;) |
| 08:57.39 | xydarcher | when i use ssh it said that "The authenticity of host 'xxx' can't be established" why? how to slove it? |
| 08:57.46 | Gnea | so do we, the debian way |
| 08:58.05 | QUACH-VU | hi how can i link a dir in hdb1 to a dir in hda1 ? |
| 08:58.22 | dondelelcaro | xydarcher: by checking the fingerprint of the host's ssh key. |
| 08:58.26 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: on the filesystems |
| 08:58.50 | QUACH-VU | Gnea this command i used ln -s /hd1/home1 /home/vietpdbj/www.vietphim.de |
| 08:58.55 | QUACH-VU | filesystems? |
| 08:59.14 | QUACH-VU | the /home is on hdb1 |
| 08:59.29 | QUACH-VU | i mounted hdb1 to /home |
| 08:59.31 | lobz | hi, i'd need some help with a small shellscript, i pasted it here with some comments: http://paste.axpr.net/?show=198 |
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| 08:59.40 | Gnea | right and /home is on a filesystem which is on hdb1 |
| 08:59.57 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: symbolic links are a function of the filesystem |
| 09:00.02 | QUACH-VU | Gnea yes and after use this command ln -s /hd1/home1 /home/vietpdbj/www.vietphim.de |
| 09:00.07 | QUACH-VU | i make a link |
| 09:00.15 | Gnea | good |
| 09:00.59 | QUACH-VU | but when i use ftp to access /home/vietpdbj/www.vietphim.de/home1 |
| 09:01.13 | QUACH-VU | it say |
| 09:01.14 | QUACH-VU | Request denied. |
| 09:01.14 | QUACH-VU | Verify that the file or folder exists and that you have the necessary permissions on the server to perform the requested operation |
| 09:01.31 | Gnea | ah |
| 09:01.42 | QUACH-VU | i login as user vietpdbj |
| 09:01.46 | Gnea | so the problem is that you don't have permission to access the hdb1 |
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| 09:01.54 | Gnea | cd / |
| 09:02.05 | Gnea | ls -ld hd1/ |
| 09:02.21 | QUACH-VU | cd chown and chmod to vietpdbj but notthing better |
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| 09:02.46 | Gnea | right, you can change the ownership and mode of the link itself but that doesn't matter |
| 09:02.47 | QUACH-VU | drwxr-xr-x 3 vietpdbj vietpdbj 4096 2005-06-28 16:58 hd1/ |
| 09:02.54 | liquid_ | why don't they ever fix major bugs in sarge? |
| 09:03.02 | liquid_ | at least packages of sarge |
| 09:03.10 | Gnea | ls -ld /hd1/home1/ |
| 09:03.11 | QUACH-VU | Gnea so what should i do? |
| 09:03.27 | QUACH-VU | drwxr-xr-x 2 vietpdbj vietpdbj 4096 2005-06-28 16:57 /hd1/home1/ |
| 09:03.28 | Gnea | liquid_: they do |
| 09:03.29 | xydarcher | dondelelcaro: how to do that? |
| 09:04.02 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: cd /hd1/home1/ && touch TEST.FILE |
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| 09:04.32 | QUACH-VU | yes |
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| 09:04.35 | QUACH-VU | it creat a file |
| 09:04.40 | Gnea | now |
| 09:04.59 | Gnea | cd ~ && ls -ld www.vietphim.de |
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| 09:07.42 | QUACH-VU | ls: www.vietphim.de: cant find file or directory |
| 09:07.42 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:07.42 | QUACH-VU | im using root |
| 09:07.42 | Gnea | bad |
| 09:07.42 | Gnea | wrong |
| 09:07.42 | QUACH-VU | ?? |
| 09:07.42 | Gnea | use vietphim |
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| 09:07.42 | QUACH-VU | vietpdbj? |
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| 09:07.42 | Gnea | vietphim |
| 09:07.42 | Gnea | yes |
| 09:07.42 | QUACH-VU | i have no user vietphim |
| 09:07.42 | Gnea | vietpdbj |
| 09:07.42 | Gnea | sorry |
| 09:07.42 | cat-dog | thanks all of you in #debian ,with your help ,i am now very pleased working with debian ! |
| 09:07.43 | QUACH-VU | have no right |
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| 09:07.48 | cat-dog | ^_^ |
| 09:07.49 | gazza | hi all |
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| 09:07.53 | Gnea | then tell root to shove it |
| 09:07.54 | Gnea | er |
| 09:07.56 | Gnea | j/k |
| 09:07.57 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:08.10 | fester | hey, just installed nvidia drivers for my graphics card, onto debian stable now whats the easyst way to change my screen res? screen res changer program only goes to 800x600 |
| 09:08.15 | QUACH-VU | :) |
| 09:08.15 | MobyTurbo | !hello gazza |
| 09:08.22 | gazza | hi |
| 09:08.24 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: su - vietpdbj |
| 09:08.36 | gazza | debian sarge xserver not working :( |
| 09:08.37 | Gnea | cd ~ |
| 09:08.39 | Noid | i have a screensaver for windows, a .scr file... can it be used directly in a debian box? does it need a conversion? is that even possible? |
| 09:08.50 | Gnea | ln -s /hd1/home1 www.vietphim.de |
| 09:09.07 | Gnea | Noid: not possible. |
| 09:09.21 | gazza | anyone knows how to fix it |
| 09:09.30 | Noid | Gnea: oh well, thanks |
| 09:09.33 | Gnea | gazza: drink beer |
| 09:10.10 | dondelelcaro | xydarcher: the host you are connecting to should have given you their fingerprint. You check what ssh is reporting, compare it to that value. If they match, you say yes. If not, then you figure out why they don't match. |
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| 09:10.11 | QUACH-VU | Gnea what password should i use? |
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| 09:10.11 | xirtam | can i force apt-get to just download a package and not install it ? |
| 09:10.11 | QUACH-VU | pass of root or vietpdbj |
| 09:10.11 | gazza | already done.didn't work |
| 09:10.11 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: pass of vietpdbj, of course |
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| 09:10.11 | Gnea | gazza: smoke pot |
| 09:10.19 | tell | hi, i get an error while compiling a new kernel (2.6.8). would someone look at it in #flood? |
| 09:10.29 | Gnea | gazza: kidding :) |
| 09:10.32 | fooz | xirtam, apt-get install -d |
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| 09:10.43 | QUACH-VU | ln: `www.vietphim.de/home1': File exists |
| 09:10.44 | Gnea | !tell gazza about ask |
| 09:10.54 | gazza | gnea:done everything.including pot |
| 09:11.09 | gazza | not working.just stoning |
| 09:11.14 | xirtam | fooz: but it does not work if there is a dependencie problem ... ? |
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| 09:11.28 | fooz | nope. -d makes apt-get do everything but stop short of installing |
| 09:11.36 | Gnea | gazza: oh ok, well without a detailed explanation there really isn't much we can do for you |
| 09:11.40 | fooz | if it wouldn't install it otherwise, it won't do it |
| 09:11.46 | gazza | u right |
| 09:11.59 | gazza | i installed debian package xscreensaver |
| 09:12.03 | jm_ | aptitude download is more convenient |
| 09:12.04 | xirtam | fooz: yup, it does not download if there is a dependency prob ... ;( |
| 09:12.14 | QUACH-VU | Gnea what continue? |
| 09:12.26 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: ls -l www.vietphim.de |
| 09:12.39 | gazza | the next time i tried startx the error was: connection with xserver failed |
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| 09:12.44 | fooz | i feel like the only guy in the world without a blog |
| 09:13.01 | Gnea | gazza: best test is with X, not startx - get X to work right and it's all downhill from there |
| 09:13.15 | xirtam | fooz: i know this feeling .. so i started to use a blog too ;)) |
| 09:13.19 | QUACH-VU | lrwxrwxrwx 1 vietpdbj vietpdbj 10 Jun 28 16:59 home1 -> /hd1/home1 |
| 09:13.19 | Gnea | gazza: if it works right, X gives you a grey screen with 'x' cursor |
| 09:13.26 | fooz | i'll never have a blog |
| 09:13.30 | Gnea | gazza: and you can just ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 09:13.39 | Gnea | blogs are overrated |
| 09:13.49 | fooz | i find them very hard to read |
| 09:13.51 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: rm www.vietphim.de/home1 |
| 09:14.01 | QUACH-VU | ok |
| 09:14.02 | QUACH-VU | and then? |
| 09:14.10 | Gnea | rm www.vietphim.de |
| 09:14.13 | yazid_work | tell: 2.6.8 is ancient by now (and rotten security wise) |
| 09:14.17 | *** part/#debian DaGo (~ieee@85-48-68-137.mad1.adsl.uni2.es) |
| 09:14.23 | fooz | i think some bloggers must be doing straight mental dumps via some wetware interface because I cannot make sense of half of what they're saying |
| 09:14.25 | QUACH-VU | Gnea if i delete www.vietphim.de |
| 09:14.31 | liquid_ | well Gnea explain this: [Tue Jun 28 11:10:03 2005] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 09:14.32 | QUACH-VU | i will lost all data in that web |
| 09:14.38 | Gnea | fooz: you hit the nail on the head |
| 09:14.47 | Gnea | liquid_: dead. |
| 09:14.49 | liquid_ | apache2 keeps doing that on a Opteron 146, 2G DDR400 ECC Reg RAM |
| 09:14.59 | liquid_ | dying even |
| 09:15.00 | gazza | i tried to reinstall some packages apt-get. do u know exactly wich are the rigth ones 4 xserver? |
| 09:15.05 | yazid_work | "dumps via some wetware interface" sounds like... like... |
| 09:15.10 | fooz | anyone running linux on an AMD64 laptop? |
| 09:15.16 | Gnea | liquid_: can't explain that one, you didn't give enough info |
| 09:15.33 | liquid_ | Gnea well for some strange reason apache2 keeps dying |
| 09:15.39 | Gnea | xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:15.47 | liquid_ | Gnea I do use mod_python |
| 09:15.50 | Gnea | liquid_: thank you for re-iterated that |
| 09:15.53 | gazza | tnx u all guys, gonna smoke pot |
| 09:16.05 | QUACH-VU | Gnea if i delete www.vietphim.de i will lost all data in that web |
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| 09:16.26 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: but it's not supposed to be a link to /hd1/home1? |
| 09:16.30 | liquid_ | Gnea someone .. "bucky" told me to use worker instead of prefork |
| 09:16.31 | *** part/#debian gazza (~oldschool@host-84-220-117-248.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 09:16.40 | znh | okay what happend to alsa these times.. I can't even find my sound-device! |
| 09:16.50 | QUACH-VU | yes |
| 09:16.54 | liquid_ | Gnea but when trying to install worker .. I get a major problem |
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| 09:17.19 | Gnea | liquid_: then go back to prefork |
| 09:17.36 | znh | ah and debian is still the famouse "We ignore you" channel |
| 09:17.53 | liquid_ | Gnea I am at prefork |
| 09:17.59 | Gnea | !tell znh about rules |
| 09:18.04 | liquid_ | I wasn't able to install worker |
| 09:18.06 | znh | !tell Gnea about ignoring |
| 09:18.06 | neiljp | would I be right in saying that debs can't be 'retargeted' to install in eg. a home dir? |
| 09:18.15 | Gnea | !troll znh |
| 09:18.15 | tell | can i use kernel-source from kernel.org just as well as kernel-sources from dselect? |
| 09:18.25 | fooz | #debian ignores me all the time :( but it's probably because I didn't read the channel rules |
| 09:18.28 | fooz | like znh |
| 09:18.33 | fooz | oh well :( |
| 09:18.34 | Gnea | heh |
| 09:18.56 | sep | znh: i'v allways found debian to be helpfull if you ask spesific questions, things like why dont foo work, or does someone use whatever is usualy ignored |
| 09:19.19 | znh | sep: well then your very lucky :) |
| 09:19.22 | yazid_work | neiljp: not easily. and discussing that with the devs seems pointless, no one of them seems to manage nfs shared software, or install things to their home |
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| 09:19.31 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: are you trying to make /hd1/home1 a subdirectory to www.vietphim.de? |
| 09:19.35 | nvz | may be because you sit over there in the corner with that zoof hat on not saying a word |
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| 09:19.57 | acidsphinx | ok - so from prompt - what is the command to edit a config file (text I assume) |
| 09:19.58 | QUACH-VU | yes Gnea |
| 09:20.10 | nvz | could be worse, you could ramble about insignificat bs like me |
| 09:20.20 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: cd ~/www.vietphim.de && ln -s /hd1/home1 |
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| 09:20.28 | QUACH-VU | i want to host files for my web www.vietphim.de using disk spave at /hd1/home1 |
| 09:20.31 | QUACH-VU | disk space |
| 09:20.36 | liquid_ | Gnea: http://pastebin.com/305096 |
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| 09:21.18 | znh | horay alsaconf (found in the GENTOO DOCUMENTATION<-) helped me out |
| 09:21.18 | QUACH-VU | it creat a link home1 but i cant access it |
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| 09:21.56 | Gnea | liquid_: what version of debian is this? stable/testing/unstable? |
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| 09:22.17 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: cd www.vietphim.de/home1/ |
| 09:22.23 | tell | can i use kernel-source from kernel.org just as well as kernel-sources from dselect? |
| 09:22.48 | Gnea | sure |
| 09:22.50 | neiljp | yazid_work: I've not tried to myself, but I can see how it could be useful - and IIRC rpm had this option, so I expected deb may do too |
| 09:22.54 | xydarcher | dondelelcaro: the host is one of my server, but i don't know where to get the fingerprint.if it is not match how to change it? |
| 09:23.21 | QUACH-VU | Gnea i can use putty to cd in home1, its ok. but when i use FTP login as vietpdbj i cant access home1 |
| 09:23.24 | QUACH-VU | that is problem |
| 09:23.25 | QUACH-VU | :) |
| 09:23.27 | tell | Gnea : thanks |
| 09:23.55 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: what is your ftp daemon? |
| 09:24.12 | QUACH-VU | STATUS:> Getting listing "/www.vietphim.de/home1"... |
| 09:24.12 | QUACH-VU | COMMAND:>TYPE A |
| 09:24.12 | QUACH-VU | 200 Type set to A |
| 09:24.12 | QUACH-VU | COMMAND:>CWD /www.vietphim.de/home1 |
| 09:24.12 | QUACH-VU | 550 /www.vietphim.de/home1: No such file or directory |
| 09:24.12 | QUACH-VU | ERROR:> Requested action not taken (e.g., file or directory not found, no access). |
| 09:24.12 | *** kick/#debian [QUACH-VU!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 09:24.12 | nksen | lo. i need a dutch guy |
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| 09:24.28 | QUACH-VU | im using CuteFTP verion 7.0 |
| 09:24.39 | QUACH-VU | ProFTPD |
| 09:24.39 | sep | znh: so you publicay admit that you didnt read the documentation of alsa after you installed it, just cane here asking for help at once ? |
| 09:24.42 | sep | :) |
| 09:24.53 | Gnea | !tell QUACH-VU about paste |
| 09:25.25 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: lemme guess - you have DefaultRoot ~ in proftpd.conf? |
| 09:26.01 | QUACH-VU | let me see, i cant use root to login ftp :) |
| 09:26.14 | Gnea | which is a good thing |
| 09:27.04 | nvz | nksen: this is not a place to meet men |
| 09:27.14 | nvz | nksen: if you need help in german, goto #debian.de |
| 09:27.15 | Gnea | wtf |
| 09:27.17 | Guerin | nksen: i advise going to holland |
| 09:27.23 | QUACH-VU | DefaultRoot ~ |
| 09:27.25 | QUACH-VU | yes rigt |
| 09:27.28 | QUACH-VU | there is DefaultRoot ~ |
| 09:27.38 | QUACH-VU | what does it mean? |
| 09:27.39 | Gnea | !tell nksen about de |
| 09:27.42 | nksen | Guerin: eh. just have a question concerning holland :) don't wanna go there just for this question ;) |
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| 09:28.06 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: it means you can't read files outside of your home directory - you need to setup a virtualhost |
| 09:28.32 | nvz | oh, and if any sexy/single chics are here I didnt mean what I just said.. heh call me :P |
| 09:28.59 | liquid_ | Gnea sarge |
| 09:29.10 | nksen | Gnea: ? |
| 09:29.21 | Gnea | !tell nksen about de |
| 09:29.24 | QUACH-VU | Gena how can i make it? |
| 09:29.42 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: www.proftpd.org has instructions |
| 09:29.52 | nksen | Gnea: you already told me, but I do not understand the connection to my question |
| 09:29.56 | dondelelcaro | xydarcher: if you're sure it's your server, you can just press y; if it has changed, delete the old host key in ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 09:30.08 | acidsphinx | Is there a web site that lists common debian linux commands (such as edit text file) plz?? |
| 09:30.17 | Gnea | nksen: this channel has nothing to do with holland. |
| 09:30.29 | Gnea | !plz |
| 09:30.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 09:30.47 | cbr | oh shit.. synaptic's deps are b0rked at sid :/ |
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| 09:32.59 | nksen | Gnea: true. but there are a lot of ppl in here, so don't be so fussy |
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| 09:33.22 | Gnea | !troll nksen |
| 09:33.32 | Gnea | nksen: you will stay on topic or you will leave. |
| 09:33.37 | Cyber1|xkR | ok, can someone help me.. I have set 'Permitrootaccess no' in sshd_config.. when I login to another user.. I type 'su' and then the root pass.. and it says 'incorrect password' |
| 09:33.39 | Cyber1|xkR | any idea? |
| 09:33.43 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: if you have a problem with people, just /ignore them rather than trying to bait them. |
| 09:33.45 | sep | nksen: well it woudnt be so bad, if you'd just ask the question instead of nagging and going on and on about how you are in need of dutch men... |
| 09:34.00 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: i do ignore them, when i feel like it |
| 09:34.05 | doleyb | Cyber1|xkR: why do you think that would be related? ssh is not su. |
| 09:34.06 | sep | that way you'd only waste 2 lines instead of all this chitchat |
| 09:34.23 | Cyber1|xkR | doleyb: why is it saying incorrect password then/ |
| 09:34.29 | acidsphinx | brb |
| 09:34.43 | Cyber1|xkR | doleyb: I have disabled root access through ssh.. but I should be able to su to root when logged in through another user.. |
| 09:34.57 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: thanks. It will spare the rest of us a lot of greif. |
| 09:35.00 | dondelelcaro | s/ei/ie/ |
| 09:35.11 | nvz | o |
| 09:35.15 | concept10 | Does giFToxic have a channel? |
| 09:35.18 | Cyber1|xkR | .. |
| 09:35.20 | nvz | there was a don, who had a farm, eieio |
| 09:35.31 | sep | Cyber1|xkR: sound like you type the wrong password, or perhaps you use a password that have deviating characters when typed thru ssh |
| 09:35.36 | resiak | acidsphinx: nano is a simple text editor. Run nano at the command line then press ctrl-G for help. |
| 09:35.44 | sep | Cyber1|xkR: and yes you should be able to su to root |
| 09:35.50 | Gnea | and on this farm he raised some llamas, eieio |
| 09:35.51 | Cyber1|xkR | deviating charachters? |
| 09:35.58 | Cyber1|xkR | sep: that's what I thought.. |
| 09:36.13 | doleyb | Cyber1|xkR: does su only fail when you connect via ssh, or if you login as a different user locally? |
| 09:36.35 | Gnea | concept10: try #gift |
| 09:36.54 | sep | Cyber1|xkR: i have ocasionaly experienced that some special key combos dont work when i ssh into a machine with a different lang setting then my local machine |
| 09:36.57 | Cyber1|xkR | doleyb: ..I login with another user.. then try su to root.. i put the root pass in.. and it says.. incorrect password.. but it is the correct password.. |
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| 09:38.16 | doleyb | Cyber1|xkR: and you've checked that the password is right, because root can login directly with it? Does the word contain any funny characters (non alphanum?) |
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| 09:38.24 | concept10 | How do I show userslist in XChat? |
| 09:38.31 | tirkal | how am I supposed to solve this: |
| 09:38.31 | tirkal | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:38.31 | tirkal | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.48 | petemc | concept10: /names , perhaps |
| 09:38.55 | QUACH-VU | Gnea what command to assgin a user to staff group? |
| 09:39.05 | ledet | concept10: Settings->Preferences |
| 09:39.12 | Gnea | QUACH-VU: vigr |
| 09:39.20 | petemc | eh? |
| 09:39.24 | Cyber1|xkR | doleyb: yes the pass is right.......... its only numbers + letters.. |
| 09:39.27 | sep | QUACH-VU: man addgroup |
| 09:39.30 | petemc | adduser username groupname |
| 09:39.35 | doleyb | Cyber1|xkR: what does /var/log/auth.log say about it? |
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| 09:40.23 | edward_ | who uses 2.6.12 ith two cpu's... ? |
| 09:40.40 | edward_ | with 2 Hyper Tredding cpus... ? |
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| 09:42.45 | acidsphinx | resiak: thx - but using the commands given to me earlier I have started downloading emacs to do the job |
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| 09:45.00 | resiak | acidsphinx: Noooooo! Do not let emacs into your heart! |
| 09:45.57 | OFC|ACiD^pug | ¤¤¤ <-- please tell me if anyone cann see those euro symbols ... im out to lunch .. |
| 09:45.57 | OFC|ACiD^pug | brb |
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| 09:46.32 | resiak | !nickometer OFC|ACiD^pug |
| 09:46.33 | dpkg | 'OFC|ACiD^pug' is 99.610% lame, resiak |
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| 09:48.17 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 09:48.24 | Rawplayer | lo |
| 09:48.29 | amorphix | how are pcmcia devices normally named? |
| 09:48.43 | Romania | hi |
| 09:48.46 | amorphix | i have a CF card in a pcmcia slot and wanna try and mount it |
| 09:48.53 | Rawplayer | cf? |
| 09:48.57 | amorphix | compact flash |
| 09:48.58 | Rawplayer | compact flash? |
| 09:49.00 | Rawplayer | k |
| 09:49.03 | Rawplayer | dunno :P |
| 09:49.07 | amorphix | hehe |
| 09:49.50 | shingouz | amorphix: that would be an ide drive |
| 09:50.02 | amorphix | oh, treats it as a normal ide hdd eh |
| 09:50.18 | shingouz | amorphix: unless you have formatted it with linux, try mounting as vfat |
| 09:50.31 | amorphix | i wanna format it with linux |
| 09:50.39 | QUACH-VU | anyone know the path to groups ? |
| 09:50.40 | amorphix | mkfs will do it? |
| 09:50.41 | Romania | New software: Underbase .ndbf, does anyone know a link to it? |
| 09:50.41 | shingouz | amorphix: that is doable of course |
| 09:50.57 | amorphix | there should be a howto for this |
| 09:51.03 | shingouz | Romania: and what is that then? |
| 09:51.08 | shingouz | amorphix: man mount ;) |
| 09:51.14 | amorphix | :) |
| 09:51.19 | vali | QUACH-VU, groups? u mean /etc/groups ? |
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| 09:51.25 | QUACH-VU | yes |
| 09:51.33 | QUACH-VU | i cant find groups in etc/groups |
| 09:51.50 | petemc | QUACH-VU: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:51.51 | Romania | an "all in one" app |
| 09:52.16 | shingouz | Romania: ok, that was hint one. now for hint two |
| 09:52.56 | QUACH-VU | petecm im trying to change one user to another group |
| 09:53.01 | QUACH-VU | exp : staff |
| 09:53.04 | vali | groups ? maybe group (without "s") |
| 09:53.22 | amorphix | sheesh pcmcia cards can only do throughoutput of 1.5-2mb/sec |
| 09:53.24 | shingouz | Romania: does it run on linux? office software? music? radar? sonar? |
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| 09:53.39 | shingouz | amorphix: stop bitching. better than nothing |
| 09:53.41 | petemc | QUACH-VU: adduser username groupname, logout and back in |
| 09:53.46 | amorphix | even IR can do 4mb, that sux |
| 09:53.51 | Romania | database, web files, scripting, language, picture editing, sound editing, all kind off thing |
| 09:54.04 | shingouz | and does it run on linux? |
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| 09:54.17 | vali | QUACH-VU, use adduser or usermod |
| 09:54.17 | shingouz | google is your friend in anycase |
| 09:54.24 | amorphix | i wanna run my httpd off the pcmcia adaptor |
| 09:54.27 | Romania | win>98 all sorts of editing and scripting |
| 09:54.28 | Phated | Hahaha. |
| 09:54.35 | amorphix | heh |
| 09:54.35 | Faithful | Anyone with experience with http://backuppc.sourceforge.net I would like to ask a few questions? |
| 09:54.47 | shingouz | Romania: why the hell are you asking about windows software here? |
| 09:55.01 | tensor | hello, i'm apt-getting some packages from pacific.net, can anyone recommend some other faster servers? |
| 09:55.31 | Romania | then where? |
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| 09:55.43 | petemc | tensor: use apt-spy |
| 09:55.43 | shingouz | Romania: i have no clue, i do not run windows |
| 09:56.00 | tensor | petemc: ok, will try |
| 09:56.30 | Romania | why not |
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| 09:56.46 | Romania | where are you from, Japan? |
| 09:56.51 | shingouz | Romania: run a virus trap here? you have to be shitting me |
| 09:56.52 | tensor | petemc: what does it do? look-up apt servers? |
| 09:56.59 | ghatak | i can connect and login to ftp server(vsftpd) but no listing of files, can not transfer anything as well, using a iptables based firewall vuurmuur, i have rules to allow connections for both 20 and 21 port, what could be wrong ? |
| 09:57.02 | petemc | tensor: the man page will explain all |
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| 09:57.22 | tensor | petemc: yep, still getting it |
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| 09:57.28 | icyfire0573 | ghatak: you need to allow the transfer port |
| 09:57.32 | tensor | petemc: thanks anyway bro |
| 09:57.39 | amorphix | can anyone recommend an idiot-proof method of making a custom boot/root disk, since im having alot of trouble :-/ |
| 09:57.52 | ghatak | icyfire0573: it works if i close firewall :) |
| 09:58.10 | petemc | amorphix: knoppix is a great rescue disk |
| 09:58.14 | icyfire0573 | close = turn off? |
| 09:58.16 | amorphix | i tried the yard setup, it's pretty neat but unfortunately my boot disks fail everytime and i have no clue why |
| 09:58.35 | ghatak | icyfire0573: yeps, if i turnoff firewall, it transfers fine |
| 09:58.39 | amorphix | i could try knoppix |
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| 09:58.48 | Romania | i am off |
| 09:58.55 | Bauer | !friend |
| 09:58.58 | dpkg | man, /usr/doc/<package>/*, what else |
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| 09:59.02 | petemc | ghatak: use passive ftp, or set up, or use the ftp nat iptables module |
| 09:59.06 | acidsphinx | back |
| 09:59.08 | Bauer | lol |
| 09:59.11 | amorphix | i need to really customise it tho as im building a diskless system and using pcmcia block device |
| 09:59.13 | petemc | s/or set up// |
| 09:59.15 | icyfire0573 | ghatak: yea, ftp is a "wierd" protocol, port 21 is for the commands, and then it needs another port to actually transfer the data |
| 09:59.16 | petemc | gah |
| 09:59.17 | acidsphinx | WOOT - thanx everone - I got gfx |
| 09:59.32 | amorphix | :) |
| 09:59.37 | acidsphinx | I'll log - install irc on my linux pc, and be back soon |
| 10:00.01 | ghatak | icyfire0573: u r right it has to do something with iptables_contrack but those modules are loaded |
| 10:00.07 | amorphix | i dont suppose it's possible to do a Debian installation from boot disks onto a pcmcia CF block device? |
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| 10:00.33 | icyfire0573 | ghatak: no, listen to petemc he said something about ftp modules for iptables, you probably need those |
| 10:01.01 | icyfire0573 | conntrack is for establishing connections and keeping them going, you cant do that with ftp because it is a new connection on a different port |
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| 10:01.38 | kooll | icyfire0573: there is a module that can do that |
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| 10:01.52 | amorphix | what do you guys think? |
| 10:02.20 | icyfire0573 | amorphix: i dont see why not, booting off of the block device might be hard though |
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| 10:02.26 | resiak | amorphix: It's probably _possible_, but non-trivial and a bad idea. |
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| 10:02.40 | amorphix | i can boot with floppy tho eh and mount the block device for my root fs |
| 10:02.58 | amorphix | i need to save power |
| 10:03.10 | icyfire0573 | amorphix: sold on avoiding a harddrive huh? |
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| 10:03.16 | amorphix | yeah totally |
| 10:03.33 | icyfire0573 | amorphix: how much power is this actually going to save? |
| 10:03.35 | amorphix | i could use a ram disk? |
| 10:03.49 | amorphix | well hdd is the main consumer of power in a system eh |
| 10:03.52 | petemc | like knoppix does |
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| 10:04.19 | icyfire0573 | i disagree, or maybe its just newer stuff, i think the cpu and gpu use the most power |
| 10:04.26 | amorphix | ive stripped my system down to the motherboard and even removed the cpu fan |
| 10:04.34 | icyfire0573 | the harddrive will spin down when not being accessed |
| 10:04.35 | amorphix | so i can save every bit of power |
| 10:05.00 | amorphix | the cpu generates alot of heat so that must be using up alot of power as you say |
| 10:05.09 | Whitman | hi, i've just upgraded sarge to the 2.6 kernel, but when the machine starts up, the message "BIOS data check successful" and then the machine reboots |
| 10:05.55 | amorphix | the question is, will a pcmcia block device use the same or less power than a hdd? |
| 10:06.07 | resiak | amorphix: CFs have very limited life. Unless you disable logging, use an unjournalled filesystem and other stuff to avoid frequent disk access, it'll be dead in days, quite literally. |
| 10:06.27 | amorphix | sheesh. u're kidding |
| 10:06.27 | icyfire0573 | amorphix: it will use less for not haveing moving parts, but note resiak's statement on card life |
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| 10:06.53 | amorphix | damn thanks for telling me, this is a 128mb card and not cheap to replace |
| 10:07.00 | amorphix | i better re-think my setup |
| 10:07.02 | icyfire0573 | newer CF cards have up to a couple million read-writes, so if you do stuff that dosen't write or read the disk often you could be alright |
| 10:07.14 | resiak | amorphix: No, I'm really not. Someone I know tried to install Gentoo on one and it died within 2 days ;) |
| 10:07.41 | icyfire0573 | resiak: thats a slightly different case as gentoo really beats the crap out of a disk |
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| 10:08.08 | shingouz | limited cycles in anycase |
| 10:08.16 | icyfire0573 | a firewall could just sit there for a long time and not kill the drive, provided its not writing to tmp or sending the logs to disk |
| 10:08.28 | amorphix | phew |
| 10:08.36 | amorphix | i had no clue |
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| 10:08.46 | amorphix | i think maybe ram disk is the way to go then |
| 10:08.55 | shingouz | amorphix: consider yourself clued :) |
| 10:09.06 | amorphix | but that means im limited to a root floppy, but should be ok since my sys is gonna be minimal |
| 10:09.11 | amorphix | :) |
| 10:09.13 | icyfire0573 | yea, someone totally got the cluebat for ya :-) |
| 10:09.21 | icyfire0573 | cramfs! |
| 10:09.45 | shingouz | amorphix: there is no reason you could not use the cf as the boot device as long as you restrict the writes on it |
| 10:10.04 | amorphix | CF card would be ok for read only dumb block device for transfering files? |
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| 10:10.41 | shingouz | amorphix: it can be written on but only for a limited amount of cycles. |
| 10:10.45 | resiak | icyfire0573: Hence the ";)" |
| 10:10.59 | amorphix | ok |
| 10:11.29 | icyfire0573 | resiak: gotcha |
| 10:11.32 | ghatak | petemc: yea got it thanks, ip_conntrack_ftp was needed |
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| 10:13.13 | sarge_is_now | hi all |
| 10:14.18 | sarge_is_now | anybody there ? |
| 10:14.23 | Joslyn | hi |
| 10:14.27 | sarge_is_now | hi |
| 10:14.35 | Joslyn | everyone's sleeping :) |
| 10:14.39 | sarge_is_now | yes |
| 10:14.44 | sarge_is_now | i think so |
| 10:14.52 | sarge_is_now | everybody sleeping |
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| 10:15.05 | tensor | funny, apt-spy doesn't seem to generate an /etc/apt/sources.list file, am i missing something? |
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| 10:15.51 | Joslyn | does anyone know why I can't find gtop any more? |
| 10:15.51 | sarge_is_now | anyone knows about backports.org ? |
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| 10:17.09 | nvz | tensor: missing the ability to make a sources.list maybe? |
| 10:17.18 | nvz | tensor: you are capable of doing that right? |
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| 10:17.54 | tensor | nvz: well, apt-spy should be able to |
| 10:17.58 | nvz | Joslyn: no, but who cares ;) |
| 10:18.07 | nvz | !info gtop |
| 10:18.14 | tensor | i guess i'd better do it myself |
| 10:18.28 | nvz | Joslyn: I like htop, but its curses, not gtk |
| 10:18.52 | nvz | Joslyn: if you want gtk, gnome-system-monitor should about cover it |
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| 10:20.10 | Langly1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:21.09 | piratePenguin | does Debian gnu/linux run well on older computers? Say, >64mb ram |
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| 10:21.33 | piratePenguin | >128mb ram with GNOME, actually |
| 10:21.50 | danyd | I have a question on debian installer |
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| 10:22.00 | danyd | as said in http://lwn.net/Articles/139595/#Comments |
| 10:22.01 | Langly1 | ive got gentoo/kde on a p3-450 with 450 meg ram, it runs damn slow though |
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| 10:22.27 | danyd | udev will be discarded from the installer, how will the installer handle that ? |
| 10:22.31 | concept10 | Langly1, http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/ |
| 10:22.32 | Langly1 | on my old laptop p166 80 meg ram ive got damnsmalllinux which is a knoppix based light linux just for such things |
| 10:22.33 | nvz | piratePenguin: you know > is greater than right? |
| 10:22.40 | Langly1 | thx concept10 |
| 10:22.46 | danyd | sorry devfs will be discarded, and udev will be the only choice |
| 10:22.46 | piratePenguin | nvz: oh yes, well in that case, < |
| 10:22.51 | nvz | heh |
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| 10:23.01 | nvz | piratePenguin: 128mb is more than enough to run X and a DE |
| 10:23.06 | Bigup_hpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.12 | piratePenguin | nvz: k, thanks |
| 10:23.29 | Bigup_hpc | fuck |
| 10:23.31 | Bigup_hpc | :) |
| 10:23.31 | piratePenguin | lmao |
| 10:23.34 | sep | hehehe |
| 10:23.40 | icyfire0573 | oh NOES! |
| 10:23.46 | nvz | time to change your password? |
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| 10:23.55 | dondelelcaro | and hopefully pick a better one. |
| 10:24.04 | nvz | yeah, really.. and set an autosendcmd |
| 10:24.13 | icyfire0573 | i swear to god it only looks like ****** to me :-) |
| 10:24.27 | Langly1 | concept10 http://langlyweb.no-ip.com/wifi.jpg is my laptops card, and its fairly damn powerful, im planning on getting dual +5db or higher antenna for it |
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| 10:24.51 | Bigup_hpc | yep |
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| 10:27.32 | Langly1 | I can get free wifi from my laptop, all be it low speed in a fairly good coverage area downtown |
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| 10:28.02 | icyfire0573 | Langly1: i get free wifi from my laptop too, but the neighbor dosen't know this |
| 10:28.09 | Langly1 | http://www.verilan.net/wirelessbroadband/residential/tin_plan.shtml |
| 10:28.10 | Whitman | can i recover my debian install using a sarge install disc? |
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| 10:28.24 | Langly1 | Free low speed access from them |
| 10:28.28 | concept10 | Langly1, does no-ip work pretty well with a home server |
| 10:28.38 | nvz | Whitman: yes, it can be used as a rescue device in case of an emergency |
| 10:28.39 | Langly1 | and they have good, no special antenna downtown portland |
| 10:28.48 | Langly1 | concept10 i havent had any problems with it |
| 10:28.52 | icyfire0573 | no-ip is great, |
| 10:28.56 | nvz | Whitman: dont bother trying to think in the future, debian has already thought of everything |
| 10:29.02 | Langly1 | although my ip's never actualy changed yet |
| 10:29.22 | Whitman | any idea how? i'm looking at the help menu but can't see anything to recover an install, all i want to do is boot using my orginal kernel |
| 10:29.24 | Langly1 | I just get reassigned the same one each time :P |
| 10:29.32 | concept10 | Langly1, can you use that with a home server? |
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| 10:29.51 | Langly1 | No-ip can point anywhere you want it to |
| 10:30.01 | nvz | Whitman: well either boot it and press ctrl+alt+f2 to drop into a console, and mount and do a chroot rescue, or just boot with a param to mount your hd that way *shrug |
| 10:30.28 | nvz | I just found out on this game, why curiosity killed the cat |
| 10:30.32 | concept10 | Langly1, is there a similar service without that no-ip crapola in the URL? |
| 10:30.42 | Whitman | looks like i'll have to read some docs, that went over my head |
| 10:30.44 | Langly1 | not that i know of |
| 10:30.46 | Guerin | concept10: there is, for pay |
| 10:30.52 | Langly1 | theres dynsdns.org |
| 10:30.59 | Langly1 | but not a free one |
| 10:31.05 | Whitman | the machine reboots before i can interact with it |
| 10:31.09 | concept10 | Okay. |
| 10:31.09 | Guerin | concept10: you could run your own nameds and write scripts to update them |
| 10:31.25 | Langly1 | HAHA http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61816&item=5784031600&rd=1 |
| 10:32.10 | nvz | man, spend 5 minutes in the desert on gta-sa and you will think you could have played the whole first part of the game with your eyes closed |
| 10:32.37 | cahoot | I have a small but irritating problem with updating, for some reason upgrade of netkit-inetd (0.10-10.1) stumbles on the config - seems to me because of this error: RET='10 netbase/inetd-dos-services doesn'\''t exist' - how to figure out the reason/fix? |
| 10:32.57 | jm_ | cahoot: I told you, dpkg tells you what failed |
| 10:33.14 | cahoot | jm_: it didn't as I said |
| 10:33.26 | jm_ | cahoot: yes it does |
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| 10:34.24 | cahoot | jm_: you told me to do 'dpkg -i netkit-inetd' - not? |
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| 10:34.57 | sarge_is_now | sarge is great |
| 10:34.57 | jm_ | cahoot: yes, that way you'll get an error message from dpkg telling you what exactly has failed |
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| 10:35.07 | pago | hi! |
| 10:35.12 | stouset | Hi. |
| 10:35.13 | jm_ | cahoot: wait, I didn't say that - I just said to use dpkg -i |
| 10:35.13 | cahoot | jm_: it didn't as I said |
| 10:35.16 | sarge_is_now | who knows backports.org ? |
| 10:35.27 | cahoot | jm_: you told me to do 'dpkg -i it* |
| 10:35.29 | pago | i got a problem using an isdn via hisax and udev with sarge |
| 10:35.45 | jm_ | cahoot: yes |
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| 10:35.59 | cahoot | jm_: it being an option or the deb? |
| 10:36.01 | pago | the isdnutils startup script doesnt find the /dev/isdninfo device |
| 10:36.08 | pago | can anyone help? |
| 10:36.12 | jm_ | cahoot: the package |
| 10:36.14 | stouset | cahoot: it being the deb, hehe |
| 10:36.21 | cahoot | jm_: it didn't as I said |
| 10:36.35 | jm_ | cahoot: that's because you don't know how to use dpkg -i, I told you that too ;) |
| 10:36.44 | cahoot | jm_: as I said twic that procedure didn't give any more info |
| 10:36.52 | stouset | cahoot: dpkg -i package_name.deb |
| 10:36.54 | nvz | sarge_is_now: you do. |
| 10:37.04 | sarge_is_now | yes |
| 10:37.13 | sarge_is_now | nvc: yes |
| 10:37.14 | nvz | sarge_is_now: are you capable of communicating in a meaningful way in the english language? |
| 10:37.30 | sarge_is_now | nvz: what do you mean ? |
| 10:37.57 | cahoot | jm_: 'dpkg -i netkit-inetd' - any wrong in that syntax? |
| 10:38.07 | jm_ | cahoot: yes, it's wrong, see above |
| 10:38.08 | nvz | sarge_is_now: can you form a question that will get you the information you seek, without wasting yours and everyones time? |
| 10:38.30 | sarge_is_now | nvz: ok. sorry |
| 10:39.29 | sarge_is_now | i would like to know if backports.org will be updated to support sarge instead of woody |
| 10:39.29 | tensor | is there a bug with apt-spy? |
| 10:39.38 | nvz | tensor: umm, no |
| 10:39.44 | raboof | hmm. looks like when sshd is started with ipv6 support (`-6') while no ipv6 is available, it fails silently. sounds like a bug to me, right? |
| 10:39.53 | sarge_is_now | quit party ? |
| 10:39.58 | cesschneider | hi guys |
| 10:40.01 | sarge_is_now | hi |
| 10:40.01 | nvz | tensor: even so check bugs.debian.org, dont ask here :) |
| 10:40.05 | nvz | sarge_is_now: netsplit |
| 10:40.08 | cesschneider | I'm having problems |
| 10:40.14 | cesschneider | to configure php5 on debian |
| 10:40.18 | cesschneider | I get this error: |
| 10:40.23 | jm_ | cesschneider: stop |
| 10:40.24 | nvz | sarge_is_now: zelazny.freenode.net split off from the rest of the network |
| 10:40.25 | tensor | nvz: :/ |
| 10:40.29 | raboof | (i see nothing related on bdo) |
| 10:40.29 | cesschneider | configure: error: SNMP sanity check failed. |
| 10:40.31 | tensor | nvm |
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| 10:40.40 | cesschneider | jm_: why ? |
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| 10:40.59 | jm_ | cesschneider: because I thought you were about to flood in the manner you started |
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| 10:41.18 | cesschneider | ok, sorry |
| 10:41.24 | cesschneider | can you help me please |
| 10:41.30 | jm_ | cesschneider: anyway, check configure.log |
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| 10:42.34 | stouset | cesschneider: Are you using the SNMP libraries in PHP5? |
| 10:42.50 | cesschneider | http://rafb.net/paste/results/GkQq4Q81.html |
| 10:43.13 | Eclipser | how do I change virtual desktop from keyboard in gnome?-p |
| 10:43.37 | jm_ | ahh you're missing libsnmp devel package |
| 10:43.52 | piratePenguin | Eclipser: CTL+ALT+F1 |
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| 10:44.19 | Eclipser | you misread my question |
| 10:44.21 | piratePenguin | Eclipser: oops, sorry missed the 'virtual' bit |
| 10:44.22 | cesschneider | any suggestions ? |
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| 10:45.09 | sep | sarge_is_now: search in the backport.org mailinglist archive it's discussed there |
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| 10:45.31 | sarge_is_now | sep: ok. thank you |
| 10:46.04 | rocky23 | ive upgraded to sarge and i rebooted today to test something and i cant login with putty via ssh anymore im getting "Server refused to allocate pty" |
| 10:46.08 | Bauer | !girlfriend |
| 10:46.21 | Bauer | lol, bot got nothing to say on that :P |
| 10:46.30 | cesschneider | jm_: any suggestion ? |
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| 10:47.00 | defcon8_ | how do i change the console keymap in debian? |
| 10:47.26 | jelly | rocky23: try ssh without a tty allocation to get in, then you can try to fix it. |
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| 10:47.42 | jelly | rocky23: Don't know how is this done in putty, though |
| 10:47.48 | defcon8_ | anyone please. it is quite important |
| 10:48.04 | jelly | consolechars? |
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| 10:48.16 | defcon8_ | damn |
| 10:48.24 | nvz | what a moron |
| 10:48.29 | amorphix | is there a similiar command in Debian to mkbootdisk? |
| 10:48.43 | jm_ | cesschneider: you're missing libsnmp devel package |
| 10:48.52 | stouset | Gee, because it's not like googling for "Debian console keymap" didn't return any results... |
| 10:49.08 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: it's called mkboot |
| 10:49.09 | stouset | cesschneider: I asked if you were using snmp at all =P |
| 10:49.11 | cahoot | jm_: ok - 'dpkg -i netkit-inetd_0.10-10.1_i386.deb' - doesn't result in any more verbose error msg (you were right about syntax - but executed for the cache archuve the abbreviated version acually worked in the same way) |
| 10:49.18 | joloc_ | defcon8: man install-keymap |
| 10:49.24 | stouset | cesschneider: If not, just disable it in the PHP build. No point in having devel libraries on your system that you won't be using. |
| 10:49.28 | amorphix | dondelecaro thanks |
| 10:49.32 | jm_ | cahoot: "/msg dpkg paste" and paste everything starting with the command you use |
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| 10:49.53 | stouset | cahoot: What problem are you having with inetd? |
| 10:50.15 | sarge_is_now | hi don |
| 10:50.49 | cesschneider | stouset: and If I need SNMP ? |
| 10:51.18 | stouset | cesschneider: Unless you really think you're going to be using it, you probably won't be. |
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| 10:51.21 | paster | "cahhot" at 81.229.181.198 pasted "error upgrading netkit-inetd sarge->testing" (9 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/262 |
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| 10:51.28 | doub | hi there |
| 10:51.47 | stouset | cesschneider: If you think you will end up using it, which I would be extremely surprised at, install libsnmp-dev |
| 10:51.56 | cahoot | jm_: sadly in swedish |
| 10:51.59 | nvz | stouset: its not like if he would have stayed in #debian more than 15 seconds after he asked a question someone would have answered |
| 10:52.07 | stouset | either libsnmp5-dev or libsnmp4.2-dev, whichever one PHP5 is looking for. |
| 10:52.18 | nvz | stouset: by time I read it, he was gone |
| 10:52.18 | Bauer | !some1 |
| 10:52.19 | dpkg | well, some1 is IRC shorthand for "I'm a twit" |
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| 10:52.43 | cesschneider | libsnmp 4 or 5 |
| 10:52.49 | Bauer | !any1 |
| 10:52.50 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 10:52.58 | jm_ | cahoot: post-installation ... |
| 10:53.00 | nvz | Bulldog: stop it |
| 10:53.06 | nvz | Bauer: you stop it, even |
| 10:53.11 | stouset | cesschneider: Couldn't tell you. That should be documented in PHP5, probably in the INSTALL file. |
| 10:53.20 | Bauer | sorry, just loughing with bot :) |
| 10:53.23 | doub | i'm trying to setup a postfix MTA which would end up on the internet. from what i gather, when using the debconf internet site option, it currently acts as a relay for my LAN. but how to get shure it won't do too for the whole world? |
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| 10:53.24 | Bauer | I am bored lol |
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| 10:53.30 | stouset | Bauer: Do it in private messages |
| 10:53.32 | jelly | !tell Bauer to msg dpkg privately |
| 10:53.36 | jelly | ;-) |
| 10:53.41 | Bauer | it works on pm too? niiice :) |
| 10:53.44 | nvz | Bauer: sucks to be you. the bots respond to private messages when you are here. |
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| 10:54.02 | jm_ | cahoot: edit postinst script, put sh -x at the top, run dpkg --pending --configure |
| 10:54.15 | nvz | Bauer: you can even install your own blootbot and have fun all day |
| 10:54.17 | cahoot | jm_ |
| 10:54.19 | cahoot | ok |
| 10:54.43 | jm_ | cahoot: sorry, set -x |
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| 10:54.51 | jelly | nvz: ho-hum, I think bot answered anyone's command some time ago, why was this changed? |
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| 10:55.25 | nvz | jelly: I don't know, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 10:55.33 | jelly | nvz: I can't !tell someone-else something |
| 10:55.35 | stouset | doub: If you want to be sure it won't relay mail for the world, try it =P |
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| 10:55.59 | nvz | jelly: has to actually be a factoid |
| 10:56.01 | stouset | !tell jelly about drxx |
| 10:56.02 | stouset | Hm, weird. |
| 10:56.03 | doub | stouset: well well... good idea ;) |
| 10:56.05 | jelly | oh |
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| 10:56.24 | stouset | Ah, dpkg responded. Just took awhile. |
| 10:56.29 | rocky23 | jelly: i can log in at the console to fix it, as i dont know how to do this in putty ? |
| 10:56.55 | doub | stouset: and you start the timer for the first spam and the time for my server being appended to RBLs? |
| 10:57.38 | jelly | rocky23: well that's all right too, now you have to find out why you don't have ptys available (miscompiled kernel without UNIX /dev/pts?) |
| 10:57.41 | Bauer | !tcp stacks tweaking |
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| 10:58.25 | stouset | doub: Or, you could get a laptop and set the IP manually to something like 66.103.41.2, set the external interface IP of the Postfix box to something similar, and connect the two via a crossover cable. |
| 10:58.26 | doub | Bauer: dpkg is not google |
| 10:58.44 | Bauer | lol.. ok :) |
| 10:58.55 | rocky23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.00 | dondelelcaro | !scrape google for breaking tcp stacks for fun and profit |
| 10:59.05 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's busted. |
| 10:59.10 | doub | stouset: yes, i was thinking about it. there's also a qemu network solution with different ips |
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| 10:59.15 | doub | stouset: thanks |
| 10:59.28 | Bauer | this wouuld be and how to fix it ? :) |
| 10:59.28 | Bauer | (13:59:10) <FR~d |
| 10:59.31 | Bauer | sorry |
| 10:59.56 | Bauer | dondelelcaro what do u mean breaking tcp stacks for fun and profit? u can do profit from breaking things? :o |
| 11:00.06 | masoft | oh ! Sarge released ??? really ?!?!?! oops, kidding :D can I install Windows XP in QEMU ? or it's not possible yet ? |
| 11:00.37 | jelly | rocky23: do you have CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS defined in your new kernel's .config? |
| 11:00.38 | Anders | ;) |
| 11:00.47 | doub | masoft: you can, but qemu might crash in the middle of the install |
| 11:00.53 | nvz | Bauer: the intended use of the bots in the channel, is to remember and repeat things we are tired of saying. this is done when they are relevant to one or more other people besides the person who already knows the information which is being called upon. Again, please don't abuse the bots in here. |
| 11:00.55 | jelly | rocky23: is /dev/pts mounted? |
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| 11:01.24 | doub | masoft: which would of course be replicable, thus preventing you to install it at all (which is good news, if you think about it) |
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| 11:01.30 | cahoot | jm_: done 'dpkg --pending --configure' - paste the output on paster? |
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| 11:02.01 | rocky23 | jelly: hmm it seems now |
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| 11:02.09 | masoft | doub, did you tried it ? so I must use commercial programs like VMWare ? yes ? |
| 11:02.20 | lmclaren | Hi, I am having a lot of problems with the kernels images panicing at boot, can anyone help? |
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| 11:02.25 | doub | masoft: if you really need a windows under qemu use w2k |
| 11:02.26 | rocky23 | jelly: its not in fstab wheres it normally set up ? |
| 11:02.51 | doub | masoft: i tried it, it worked, it's less cpu and RAM hungry, and fits perfectly for emulation needs |
| 11:03.04 | masoft | doub, thx ;) |
| 11:03.19 | nvz | the usage of words in this GTA-SA game makes me thing someone is very proud of their vocabulary. |
| 11:03.22 | cesschneider | I installed libpcre3-dev but I get an error when compiling php5 |
| 11:03.23 | doub | masoft: but you'll have to buy another licence then ;) |
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| 11:03.29 | paster | "cahoot" at 81.229.181.198 pasted "netkit-inet dpkg --pending --configure" (35 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/263 |
| 11:03.30 | jelly | rocky23: some init script I think. grep says /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs |
| 11:04.05 | cesschneider | is there another package that I need to install ? |
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| 11:04.21 | dondelelcaro | !search google for smashing stacks for fun and profit |
| 11:04.24 | nvz | the word verdant is used excessivly.. its hardly a word I would brag about knowing.. how hard is it to say green |
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| 11:04.28 | dpkg | Google says smashing stacks for fun and profit is at http://www.insecure.org/stf/smashstack.txt or http://www.phrack.org/phrack/49/P49-14 or http://www.phrack.org/show.php?p=49&a=14 or http://www.shmoo.com/phrack/Phrack49/p49-14 or http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~jzhou/security/overflow.html |
| 11:04.39 | stouset | cesschneider: Probably. Read the PHP5 INSTALL doc. Dependencies are usually listed there. |
| 11:04.40 | doub | masoft: be warned that qemu is not stable yet, and thus might crash on 2k too. i used it a while ago, it works most of the time, but don't run your business on it |
| 11:04.52 | dondelelcaro | nvz: verdant doesn't mean just green. |
| 11:05.15 | jelly | rocky23: got to go now, sorry |
| 11:05.33 | rocky23 | jelly: theres a devpts sh in one of my servers.. |
| 11:05.34 | stouset | dondelelcaro: Very true. It also means, "I spend too much time reading dictionaries for fun and profit." |
| 11:05.35 | nvz | dondelelcaro: oh? |
| 11:05.45 | rocky23 | jelly: wonder how te hell that suddenly dissappeared |
| 11:06.09 | masoft | doub, it seems the best choice is VMWare ;) :D |
| 11:06.11 | Lunar_Lamp | verdant also means "naieve" of "unsophisticated" |
| 11:06.21 | lmclaren | Hi, I am having a lot of problems with the kernels images panicing at boot, can anyone help? |
| 11:06.29 | doub | masoft: that's what i use now. but yet another licence to buy ;) |
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| 11:06.46 | dondelelcaro | nvz: verde is green. Verdant means that it has lots of green things growing on it, like a verdant, lush lawn. |
| 11:06.57 | masoft | doub, thx anyway ;) |
| 11:06.57 | nvz | usage in the game is "Verdant Bluffs" or "Verdant Medows" to me that means "Green Hills" or "Green Fields" just trying to sound sophisticated |
| 11:07.08 | Lunar_Lamp | verdant can mean green... |
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| 11:07.33 | dondelelcaro | nvz: nah, it means that the bluffs are overgrown with lush green things, as opposed to merely being painted green or having coper ore located in them. |
| 11:07.40 | Phated | Heh. |
| 11:07.44 | nvz | heh |
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| 11:08.12 | Lunar_Lamp | though verdant def also can mean "naive" and "unsophisticated" :-p |
| 11:08.16 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it was named "juiseppe verde" or something |
| 11:08.20 | dondelelcaro | Lunar_Lamp: uh, try again. |
| 11:08.37 | nvz | heh |
| 11:08.39 | dondelelcaro | Lunar_Lamp: that definition has gone away |
| 11:08.40 | Lunar_Lamp | try awhat again? |
| 11:08.41 | Lunar_Lamp | i'm right |
| 11:08.45 | lmclaren | #flood Hi, I am having a lot of problems with the kernels images panicing at boot, can anyone help? |
| 11:08.56 | dondelelcaro | web1913 is not a dictionary that defines modern usage |
| 11:08.59 | doub | Phated: that's pretty clear, isn't it ? |
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| 11:09.15 | Lunar_Lamp | http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/1999/07/03.html |
| 11:09.24 | Lunar_Lamp | word of the day in 1999 using my definition also... |
| 11:09.24 | jm_ | cahoot: did you fix it? |
| 11:09.24 | nvz | I am not the fartest smeller, but I'm learning |
| 11:09.33 | Phated | doub: Wot? |
| 11:09.33 | doub | !tell Kamping_Kaiser about away |
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| 11:09.40 | [Granger] | hmm |
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| 11:10.07 | dondelelcaro | Lunar_Lamp: that definition is from Webster 1913, and you'll note if you look at the whole entry that it's a colloquialism that is not used any more. |
| 11:10.09 | doub | Phated: oh, nothing |
| 11:10.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | doub, that's just grumpy |
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| 11:11.36 | nvz | I still say they could have spent less time thinking up words the average gradeschool kid playing this game wouldnt understand, and doing more important things, like marking the no-fly zones like the one I just flew over that got fighter jets on my tail |
| 11:12.01 | Belboz | Hey all, anyone know how to restart CUPS? |
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| 11:12.18 | doub | Kamping_Kaiser: well, what's 'grumpy'? i'm not a native english speaker |
| 11:12.21 | stouset | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | um, sort of bad tempered |
| 11:12.38 | Eclipser | crouchy |
| 11:12.38 | Belboz | that's what I keep on doing stouset, but it's not working |
| 11:12.45 | Lunar_Lamp | dondelelcaro - http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?query=verdant&action=Search+OMD 1998 |
| 11:13.04 | stouset | Belboz: What does it tell you? |
| 11:13.16 | dondelelcaro | Lunar_Lamp: "Source: Websters Dictionary" |
| 11:13.23 | doub | Kamping_Kaiser: well ok. but then what do you feel is grumpy? |
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| 11:13.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | it's not usualy an issue for people, that's why. meh |
| 11:13.56 | Belboz | stouset, bullocks! I just got it to restart. Why can I restart it from a different directory but not the init.d directory? |
| 11:14.00 | Eclipser | doub, http://dict.die.net/grumpy/ |
| 11:14.09 | Teemu_K | gcc: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program as) |
| 11:14.12 | dondelelcaro | Lunar_Lamp: you're quite right that it was used at one point in time, but I've not seen it used in that sense in any modern writing. |
| 11:14.13 | Teemu_K | when make menuconfig |
| 11:14.13 | stouset | Belboz: Were you root? |
| 11:14.23 | Belboz | yeah, the whole time stouset |
| 11:14.25 | dwflo | Having a problem downloading the AMD64 jigdo iso images. |
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| 11:14.26 | Lunar_Lamp | dondelelcaro - i use it in normal conversation :-p |
| 11:14.29 | stouset | Belboz: Sec. |
| 11:14.38 | Belboz | I could see the file and everything, but it wouldn't restart |
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| 11:14.47 | lmclaren | Hi, I am having a lot of problems with the kernels images panicing at boot, can anyone help? |
| 11:14.51 | Belboz | and by the way, it's cupsys restart |
| 11:14.58 | doub | Kamping_Kaiser: having nothing to eat is not usually an issue, unless it's 24/7 |
| 11:14.59 | stouset | midas:~# cd /etc/init.d |
| 11:14.59 | stouset | midas:/etc/init.d# ./cupsys restart |
| 11:14.59 | stouset | Restarting printing system service: cupsd. |
| 11:15.09 | ben_ | any chance of getting gtksuperwin.so for debian? |
| 11:15.25 | stouset | ben_: What is it? |
| 11:15.32 | Belboz | ahh, you need that little ./ thingy |
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| 11:15.38 | ben_ | library that's needed by the SVG plugin |
| 11:15.46 | ben_ | packages.debian.org doesn't find it |
| 11:15.46 | dondelelcaro | Lunar_Lamp: verdant? sure, I have as well, but not in that sense. |
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| 11:15.55 | Teemu_K | yaerrr |
| 11:16.00 | Belboz | no one on Google said that stouset, thanks, I'll have to remember that |
| 11:16.04 | doub | Kamping_Kaiser: having away messages on a channel is useful for channels with a few people. but imagin every 800 people here do as you. how could we follow any sort of conversation? |
| 11:16.11 | rocky23 | my system seemed to have the devpts.sh removed so i stole the script off my debian box but it fails on line 17 /etc/init.d/devpts.sh: line 17: [: =: unary operator expected is there somewhere i can get this script from ? :) |
| 11:16.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | doub, it was a convenient away (whatever i was called) i was away for 6 hours (ish) |
| 11:16.18 | dwflo | Hi all, I need some help with downloading |
| 11:16.20 | stouset | Belboz: You *always* need the ./ before a script that runs in the current directory |
| 11:16.29 | Teemu_K | http://pastebin.com/305125 |
| 11:16.31 | Teemu_K | what's broken |
| 11:16.32 | stouset | Belboz: "." isn't in $PATH for security reasons. |
| 11:16.35 | doub | Kamping_Kaiser: considering most of the 800 people here are just away or coming back, saying nothing |
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| 11:16.58 | Belboz | okay |
| 11:17.00 | Eclipser | Kamping_Kaiser, doub has a point |
| 11:17.02 | dwflo | HELLO |
| 11:17.10 | aixing | hello |
| 11:17.13 | Eclipser | and I need to go |
| 11:17.22 | dondelelcaro | Teemu_K: gcc segfaulted. Welcome to the fun of debugging gcc. |
| 11:17.24 | dwflo | Need help with jigdo |
| 11:17.25 | Lunar_Lamp | lol - dondelelcaro - i wouldn't think to use verdant in relation to colour normally if i am being honest |
| 11:17.29 | doub | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.39 | Teemu_K | :<< |
| 11:17.43 | Eclipser | doub, eh eh |
| 11:17.53 | Teemu_K | dondelelcaro: :< |
| 11:18.08 | dondelelcaro | Teemu_K: either that, or you have bad memory. Try running make menuconfig; again. |
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| 11:18.19 | stouset | dondelelcaro, Lunar_Lamp: I just want you both to realize that you have been arguing about the color green for at least ten minutes. =P |
| 11:18.34 | Lunar_Lamp | stouset - i'm supposed to be revising - so i have a good excuse :-p |
| 11:18.57 | stouset | apt-cache search verdant returns no results, so no you don't ;) |
| 11:19.07 | dondelelcaro | stouset: yeesh. At least get it right. We were arguing "which definition(s) of verdant are widely in use in modern english." |
| 11:19.13 | Teemu_K | dondelelcaro: memory should be ok, just because I ran over night memtest86 with no errors, and prosessor should be ok because I runned over night cpuburn :P load was 3. whole night |
| 11:19.13 | Lunar_Lamp | (and it was more etymology than green) |
| 11:19.31 | stouset | Lunar_Lamp: It was funnier saying you guys were arguing about the color green though. |
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| 11:19.40 | Lunar_Lamp | stouset - that i shall grant you ;-) |
| 11:19.44 | dondelelcaro | Teemu_K: well, if you're getting random crashes with gcc, that's typically the issue |
| 11:19.49 | stouset | Interestingly enough, apt-cache search etymology returns nothing either ;) |
| 11:20.11 | Lunar_Lamp | etymology is the study of the histroy of linguistics |
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| 11:20.15 | doub | Kamping_Kaiser: my guess is that you can always display away messages on selected channels where it makes sense, or just every channel minus this one and its counterparts |
| 11:20.21 | dondelelcaro | stouset: because everyone who cares about etymology would know to apt-get install dict; |
| 11:20.29 | Teemu_K | dondelelcaro: mm, could it be because I have testing version |
| 11:20.29 | doub | Kamping_Kaiser: or you might need a better client |
| 11:20.34 | Lunar_Lamp | from dictionary.com: "The origin and historical development of a linguistic form as shown by determining its basic elements, earliest known use, and changes in form and meaning, tracing its transmission from one language to another, identifying its cognates in other languages, and reconstructing its ancestral form where possible." |
| 11:20.34 | dwflo | May I get someones attention, please |
| 11:20.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | doub, no i cant, that's the problem,.... sorry :S |
| 11:20.49 | dondelelcaro | Teemu_K: well, first things first. Run make menuconfig; again. |
| 11:20.53 | acidsphin | I am trying to install something and I am having a problem with it - how do I set the environment variable PKG_CONFIG_PATH - where do I find this file?? |
| 11:20.56 | stouset | Lunar_Lamp: Make it stop! *grabs ears* |
| 11:21.02 | Lunar_Lamp | haha |
| 11:21.03 | stouset | Well, eyes. |
| 11:21.13 | Lunar_Lamp | well |
| 11:21.16 | stouset | See what you did? |
| 11:21.16 | dondelelcaro | dwflo: just ask your question |
| 11:21.18 | doub | Kamping_Kaiser: no problem, i'm not about being boring to you, that's just a side effect ;) |
| 11:21.27 | Lunar_Lamp | i should probably go and revise some more advanced eukaryote genetics... |
| 11:21.46 | stouset | *grin* |
| 11:21.57 | dwflo | Having difficulty d/l AND64 iso with jigdo |
| 11:22.10 | dwflo | that's AMD |
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| 11:22.43 | rocky23 | my system seemed to have the devpts.sh removed so i stole the script off my debian woody box but it fails on line 17 /etc/init.d/devpts.sh: line 17: [: =: unary operator expected, is there somewhere i can get this script from ? :) or has the script changed its name in sarge ? jelly seemed to think it was etc/init.d/mountvirtfs someone please confirm, thanks |
| 11:22.47 | lmclaren | Hi, I am having a lot of problems with the kernels images panicing at boot, can anyone help? |
| 11:22.59 | dondelelcaro | rocky23: UGH. Don't do that. |
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| 11:23.06 | dondelelcaro | rocky23: read about the --force-confmiss option of dpkg. |
| 11:23.16 | dwflo | I enter the URL and it d/ls the jigdo file, what next? |
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| 11:23.24 | Belboz | okay, I can print in just about anything but Mozilla-Firefox, what's wrong? |
| 11:23.29 | Teemu_K | dondelelcaro: now it went trought |
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| 11:23.32 | raboof | http://www.wirelessphonepics.com/ - `ceci n'est pas un defacement' |
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| 11:25.08 | dwflo | SEE YA'LL, IT'S TO NOISY IN HERE |
| 11:25.15 | dwflo | BYE |
| 11:25.22 | cahoot | jm_: fix no - didn't even get there was an outspoken error |
| 11:25.54 | dondelelcaro | dwflo: so run jigdo-file on the .jigdo file. |
| 11:26.06 | jm_ | cahoot: bah, why are you using testing/sid if you can't work on such simple problems and have to be hand-held all the time? |
| 11:26.26 | dondelelcaro | s/jigdo-file/jigdo-lite/ |
| 11:26.27 | rocky23 | dondelelcaro: ok what package is the devpts scirpt under ? |
| 11:26.45 | dwflo | I did but it does'nt do anything after the initial file is downloaded! |
| 11:26.51 | cahoot | jm_: all the time? the first time I discuss this kind of problem |
| 11:26.55 | dondelelcaro | rocky23: initscripts |
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| 11:27.08 | jm_ | cahoot: yes, all the time for this problem |
| 11:27.27 | rocky23 | dondelelcaro: is there a way to just change one script within init scripts incase it replaces ones taht ive modified ? |
| 11:27.31 | jm_ | cahoot: anyway, did you see the last command that was executed? |
| 11:27.35 | Away_Lamp | [12:27] * doub takes Away_Lamp's /nick command away <== i have it set up to do the nick change on all servers at the moment (not bothered to edit it) - and there are some official chans on other servers that i have to tag "away" on my nick :-( |
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| 11:28.09 | Belboz | hey, how do I get Mozilla-Firefox to print with CUPS? |
| 11:28.28 | dondelelcaro | rocky23: it won't replace ones that youv'e modified. |
| 11:28.34 | cahoot | jm_: are you referring to the output from dpkg --pending --configure ? |
| 11:28.38 | jm_ | cahoot: right |
| 11:28.48 | rocky23 | dondelelcaro: just ones taht ahve been deleted ? |
| 11:28.50 | dondelelcaro | dwflo: jigdo-lite http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/jigdo-dvd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.jigdo; or similar will do much more than just download the .jigdo file |
| 11:28.55 | dondelelcaro | rocky23: yes. |
| 11:29.04 | doub | Away_Lamp: the IRC protocol takes care of telling your querys that you're away already. for a channel, people can tell if you don't answer. but that's maybe just me |
| 11:29.41 | Away_Lamp | doub - i completely and whole-heartedly agree - but the several hundred pms i get on some servers asking me for help and screaming at me for not answering them don't seem to agree |
| 11:29.44 | raboof | hrm. i like systems to spot my stupid mistakes. |
| 11:30.11 | cahoot | jm_: duh - sorry |
| 11:30.16 | dondelelcaro | raboof: there's always a new improved idiot. |
| 11:30.23 | doub | !price Away_Lamp's several hundred pms |
| 11:30.24 | raboof | wouldn't it be nice to have a small `assumeroot' script that prints an error message when called as non-root user, and have that script ran from scripts that assume root? (like the /etc/init.d/* scripts)? |
| 11:30.33 | dwflo | dondelelcardo: I did that, but doesn't find search any other sites! |
| 11:30.35 | jm_ | cahoot: so check if you already have symlinks for inetd, and file a bug |
| 11:30.37 | cahoot | jm_: think I got it at long last |
| 11:30.41 | dondelelcaro | raboof: uh, we have scripts that do that. |
| 11:30.43 | doub | Away_Lamp: well, tell them to RTFM |
| 11:30.57 | cahoot | jm_: this is no bug - this is user inflicted |
| 11:31.02 | jm_ | cahoot: how so? |
| 11:31.10 | dondelelcaro | dwflo: sure it does. |
| 11:31.14 | Away_Lamp | doub - i actually have some parts of manuals they need to have read on assorted aliases :-s |
| 11:31.18 | Away_Lamp | anyway - revision |
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| 11:31.23 | rocky23 | dondelelcaro: isnt initscripts package installed as default ? |
| 11:31.25 | doub | Away_Lamp: good luck |
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| 11:31.33 | dondelelcaro | rocky23: yes, but you've deleted parts of it. |
| 11:31.46 | rocky23 | dondelelcaro: i dont even seem to have the package though :/ |
| 11:31.56 | cahoot | jm_: I've disabled inetd and renamed the file in /etc/init.d |
| 11:31.58 | rocky23 | dondelelcaro: The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 11:31.58 | rocky23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:32.16 | dondelelcaro | rocky23: is this even debian you're running? |
| 11:32.20 | rocky23 | yes |
| 11:32.29 | jm_ | cahoot: ok ;) |
| 11:32.40 | cahoot | jm_: thanks for you patience |
| 11:32.40 | raboof | dondelelcaro: yeah.. but not all of them do (i.e. the exim one doesn't). would people feel offended if i offered patches for those scripts that don't? |
| 11:32.46 | dwflo | dondelelcaro: I have tried several times. This is the file I am attempting to get http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/amd64/debian-31r0a-amd64-binary-1.jigdo |
| 11:32.47 | raboof | it's a trivial thing, but it's nice imho :) |
| 11:32.52 | jm_ | cahoot: enjoy, I hope you learned how to diagnose such issues from it |
| 11:33.18 | cahoot | jm_: yeah this was a rathe lame approach |
| 11:33.22 | dondelelcaro | dwflo: not all mirrors have amd64 |
| 11:33.29 | dondelelcaro | dwflo: you'll need to pick a mirror that actually does. |
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| 11:33.59 | dwflo | dondelelcaro: Can't find it on any other mirrors |
| 11:34.00 | dondelelcaro | raboof: why? you can't start or stop the things as a non-root user anyway |
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| 11:35.07 | dondelelcaro | dwflo: sure you can. http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html and read https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 11:35.08 | raboof | dondelelcaro: exactly, so when you try to do that, imvho it'd be nice if the script told you: "you need to be root", instead of just failing in random ways. |
| 11:35.59 | dondelelcaro | raboof: the issue is that you may not actually have to be root to do some things. |
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| 11:36.20 | dwflo | dondelelcaro: I will do that right now |
| 11:36.30 | raboof | so.. you add the error messages for those things that do assume root only? |
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| 11:36.57 | rocky23 | dondelelcaro: ok ive done dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/initscripts_2.86.ds1-1_i386.deb |
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| 11:37.45 | amorphix | hi guys, im trying to make a boot disk using dd, it completes and says 142+1 records in & out, but when when i try and mount the fd, it says, must specify a filesystem type. why is that? |
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| 11:38.07 | icyfire0573 | amorphix: bad disk? |
| 11:38.09 | rocky23 | dondelelcaro: its mountvirts in sarge it seems |
| 11:38.12 | dondelelcaro | rocky23: yes. |
| 11:38.26 | amorphix | well the disk is ok i think, its worked for making a debian boot.img |
| 11:38.35 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: there's no way that 142+1 is a full boot disk |
| 11:38.42 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: it should be 28800+1 or similar |
| 11:38.49 | dondelelcaro | s/1/0 |
| 11:38.51 | cesschneider | hey guys.. I'm having problems with timezone in debian |
| 11:38.52 | amorphix | oh! |
| 11:38.58 | nvz | raboof: how hard is it to edit a script and put something like if [ $(id -u) == 0 ]; echo "You must be root!"; fi; exit 1 at the top |
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| 11:39.00 | cesschneider | my system date/time is ok |
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| 11:39.18 | cesschneider | but when I use in php it shows 1hours before |
| 11:39.26 | cesschneider | 1 hour before |
| 11:39.35 | nvz | ... if you are that handicapped :P |
| 11:39.36 | dondelelcaro | cesschneider: what does date -u; and date; output? |
| 11:39.47 | cesschneider | in shell ? |
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| 11:39.50 | cesschneider | or php / |
| 11:39.56 | dondelelcaro | cesschneider: both, ideally. |
| 11:40.07 | rocky23 | dondelelcaro: obviously the upgrade removed devpts.sh but didnt bring in mountvirtfs.. saying that theres alot of packages that are kept back when doing an apt-get upgrade ? ive got 78 not upgraded does taht sound normal ? |
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| 11:40.18 | cesschneider | in shell |
| 11:40.20 | cesschneider | Tue Jun 28 12:34:49 UTC 2005 |
| 11:40.32 | dondelelcaro | well, there's your problem |
| 11:40.33 | jm_ | that can't be right |
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| 11:40.43 | dondelelcaro | cesschneider: it's ~ Tue Jun 28 11:40:06 UTC 2005 |
| 11:40.59 | dondelelcaro | s/06/44/; but you get the idea |
| 11:41.05 | dwflo | dondelelcardo: Thank you, did not see any referece to these links at the Debian site. I must have missed them. |
| 11:41.15 | dondelelcaro | dwflo: np |
| 11:41.38 | nornagon | Completely OT question: What does an IRC server send a user when that user joins a channel? |
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| 11:41.45 | amorphix | is it safe to format at higher density than 1440 on a fd and then go back to 1440? |
| 11:41.47 | nornagon | And can the server force the client to join a channel? |
| 11:41.50 | cesschneider | in php I get: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:36:09 -0300 |
| 11:42.16 | nvz | nornagon: what brings this line of questioning up? |
| 11:42.32 | nornagon | nvz: I'm trying to write something similar to bitlbee. |
| 11:42.33 | aixing | lol |
| 11:42.39 | nornagon | except for a different protocol |
| 11:42.57 | nvz | nornagon: but, forcing the client to join the channel, assuming the user is a moron, I guess :P |
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| 11:43.05 | rocky23 | is it normal to have like 78 packages held back when doing apt-get upgrade ?? because of the sarge upgrade ? |
| 11:43.11 | stouset | nornagon: Read the IRC RFC. |
| 11:43.19 | bomex | how do i make a user superuser level? |
| 11:43.25 | stouset | rocky23: you should do a dist-upgrade |
| 11:43.30 | nornagon | nvz: There's a single-channel-based server on the other end that I have to make compromises with. |
| 11:43.33 | danyd | rocky23, try apt-get dist-upgrade -u |
| 11:43.34 | petemc | bomex: you dont, use sudo when you need to |
| 11:43.38 | nornagon | stouset: They're kind of disjointed. |
| 11:43.38 | jm_ | rocky23: more or less |
| 11:43.40 | danyd | rocky23, see what it does |
| 11:43.54 | nornagon | stouset: I couldn't find the information I'm looking for there. |
| 11:44.12 | nvz | bomex: or just put your IP in the phonebook, and make your rootpw "hackme" |
| 11:44.26 | amorphix | lol |
| 11:44.34 | bomex | well, it for my own user on my own server |
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| 11:44.39 | rocky23 | danyd: what does the -u mean i cant find it ? |
| 11:44.49 | nvz | then you will have a whole bunch of superusers, all over the world |
| 11:45.00 | sep | bomex: use su - |
| 11:45.07 | stouset | nornagon: Everything explaining how the IRC protocol works should be in the RFC. |
| 11:45.18 | stouset | nornagon: That is *the* document to read if you are writing an IRC client of any sort. |
| 11:45.21 | nvz | bomex: your own user, on your own server, should have sudo permissions to do whatever he is too lazy to become root for |
| 11:45.40 | nornagon | stouset: Right, but I'm writing an IRC server. |
| 11:45.42 | bomex | well it dont, thats why i ask |
| 11:45.58 | nornagon | stouset: Just a very feature-limited one. A pass-through, if you like. |
| 11:46.03 | raboof | nornagon: then you should definitely be reading the RFC. To get examples, use ethereal. |
| 11:46.04 | nvz | note, giving permissions to run everything without a password via sudo is just as bad |
| 11:46.09 | nornagon | Like bitlbee is. |
| 11:46.29 | raboof | (there's no magic in the rfc, it's not scary ;)) |
| 11:46.32 | nornagon | raboof: I've been trying, but I can't seem to get it to capture on localhost... I am confused as to why. |
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| 11:47.12 | nvz | hopefully I can wakeup in a few hours |
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| 11:48.08 | nornagon | yer... it doesn't seem to have the capture all interface it does when I'm using linux |
| 11:48.22 | nornagon | (I'm using windoz3 atm... don't hit me don't hit me don't hit me!) |
| 11:48.36 | raboof | bah, PoS win2k. tends to hang in mid-boot. At least on debian i can check out the initscripts and see what's wrong ;) |
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| 11:48.58 | nornagon | I'm using winXP... |
| 11:49.16 | MrSeb | hi... someone has configured a server with squid 2.5STABLE9 and samba 3.0.14a for NTLM authentication? Is possible to do this without kerberos? |
| 11:49.25 | raboof | nornagon: that'll hardly run on my hardware :) |
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| 11:50.09 | nvz | you need about 256MB ram to run winxp.. they say 128, but trying running it with that, its horrible |
| 11:50.13 | nornagon | heh |
| 11:50.20 | nornagon | I have 512, so. |
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| 11:52.03 | nvz | I can run debian with a DE easily on a 200mhz w/ 64mb ram, and it'll outperform XP on a 2ghz w/ 128mb ram.. my uncle bought one... had onboard video that shared the ram.. it killed the poor thing.. it should be illegal to ship a 2ghz with 128mb ram shared, and XP |
| 11:52.44 | nornagon | heh |
| 11:52.46 | aixing | hehe |
| 11:52.57 | PolarWolf | It should be illegal to ship 128MB in a 1GHz plus machine, period |
| 11:53.02 | nvz | oh well, off to bed for a nap, if I can manage it.. else hibernation |
| 11:53.04 | PolarWolf | Doesn't matter which OS is on it |
| 11:53.09 | aixing | nvz: ur uncle was conned |
| 11:53.20 | nvz | yeah emachines or something IIRC |
| 11:53.35 | aixing | if people are gonna buy it... then sell on |
| 11:53.39 | aixing | :D |
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| 11:55.26 | revenger_ | is there a way to determine the ip of a remote host who's logged in with ssh? |
| 11:55.44 | eye69 | revenger_: 'w' or 'who' |
| 11:55.45 | revenger_ | (I'd do something like w | and grep something like w) |
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| 11:56.35 | danyd | rocky23, -u with apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade tells you what packages apt-get will install/hold... and ask you for confirmation |
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| 11:57.14 | Rocker | how to make install cups in debian 3.1 ? |
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| 11:57.49 | lord_rob | Rocker: apt-cache search cups |
| 11:58.02 | Rocker | is it cupsys ? |
| 11:58.06 | danyd | Rcoker yes |
| 11:58.06 | eye69 | Rocker: Yes. |
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| 11:58.11 | Rocker | thanks |
| 11:58.23 | danyd | + cupsys-driver-gimpprint and cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data |
| 11:58.26 | Rocker | well ... are 20 Mb |
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| 12:02.14 | gazza | hi all |
| 12:02.50 | gazza | anyone expert with xserver-Xfree86 |
| 12:03.07 | jm_ | gazza: /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 12:03.39 | gazza | got problems with xserver, use sarge |
| 12:04.12 | gazza | when i startx i got error: can't find $DISPLAY |
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| 12:04.53 | jm_ | run startx &> foo; paste file foo on the URL dpkg mentions in "/msg dpkg paste" |
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| 12:05.38 | ircrob | Can anyone watch BB asx in Linux ? |
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| 12:05.58 | petemc | ircrob: whats that? big brother? |
| 12:06.07 | ircrob | yes |
| 12:06.09 | jm_ | big boobs asx? yeah I watch that |
| 12:06.21 | ircrob | how |
| 12:06.23 | petemc | ircrob: mplayer can maybe play the stream |
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| 12:06.37 | jm_ | download the file, you'll see an URL in it, try using it with mplayer |
| 12:07.02 | ircrob | vlc rtsp:// ? |
| 12:07.38 | gazza | #flood |
| 12:07.38 | jm_ | you can also try using realplayer with rtsp URL-s |
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| 12:08.34 | aidehua | What's the name of that spanish drink made of coke and red-wine ? |
| 12:08.51 | jm_ | we call that bambus ;) |
| 12:08.52 | azeem | calimuxto |
| 12:08.59 | azeem | modulo spelling |
| 12:09.11 | xAGENTEx | oi, sou usuário iniciante do linux, estou precisando criar um servidor de autenticação para estações windows se autenticar no debian, tenho o samba já instalado, preciso fazer restrições de acessos tanto para diretórios para cada usuário quanto para restrições de acessos a ex: "painel de controle do win" modificar propriedades de video entre outras config.. onde posso encontrar ajuda sobre isto? |
| 12:09.37 | mustard | both inkscape and sodipodi break with: relocation error: /lib/libpopt.so.0: symbol __cxa_finahize, version GLIBC_2.1.3 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 12:09.40 | jm_ | xAGENTEx: english only please |
| 12:09.41 | gazza | c'è un italiano qui? |
| 12:09.42 | mustard | does that mean anything to anyone? |
| 12:10.09 | azeem | mustard: looks like glibc breakage |
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| 12:10.12 | ircrob | last word isto |
| 12:10.13 | xAGENTEx | gazza Brasileiro |
| 12:10.13 | mustard | yay |
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| 12:11.02 | aidehua | calimuxto> that sounds like it |
| 12:11.10 | azeem | mustard: well, probably on your part :) |
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| 12:11.34 | mustard | azeem: how could I break it? |
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| 12:12.04 | azeem | mustard: dunno. Did you install glibc from experimental? Is libpopt from a non-Debian source? |
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| 12:12.36 | gazza | error: gtk2 can't find $DISPLAY |
| 12:13.02 | jm_ | that means you don't have DISPLAY env. var set |
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| 12:13.10 | ircrob | So i am the only one who watchs big boobs ? |
| 12:13.10 | jm_ | or it can't connect to it |
| 12:13.19 | gazza | how can i set it? |
| 12:13.28 | gazza | i don't have linux now |
| 12:13.34 | jm_ | it's set automatically when you startx |
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| 12:14.14 | gazza | ok, i tried to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but doesn't work |
| 12:14.32 | jm_ | gazza: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 12:14.35 | r0bert1984NLMepp | I read i can ask questions here about Debian? I tried to install debian sarge but everytime i get the error there had been a problem while reading from the CD .. anyone know what's wrong? The CD/DVD's are tested ok.. Looks like i can't write to the hd or something (i've had installed red hat fedora core 4 beforem maybe f*cked up eurr boot or mbr?) hopefully someone knows what to do cause I'm lost in google pages :S |
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| 12:15.00 | r0bert1984NLMepp | (sorry for the interupting in your conversation btw ) |
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| 12:15.31 | jm_ | r0bert1984NLMepp: you'll have to provide us with a lot more details if you want anyone to help you |
| 12:15.43 | r0bert1984NLMepp | what do you need to know? |
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| 12:15.56 | jm_ | exact error message would help |
| 12:15.59 | r0bert1984NLMepp | I just insert the cd press enter a few times and then the error shows up |
| 12:16.13 | r0bert1984NLMepp | I'm i can give you that, but it's dutch :/ |
| 12:16.21 | jm_ | that won't help :P |
| 12:16.26 | r0bert1984NLMepp | I can try to translate? |
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| 12:16.47 | jm_ | switch to second console, and run dmesg there and check if kernel reports any problems related to your CD-ROM drive |
| 12:16.57 | netman1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.39 | r0bert1984NLMepp | "There has been a problem while reading files from the cd. Please make sure the CD is in the station. If trying again doens't work for you, you should check the cd on errors. >> Copying file has failed, do you want to try again?" |
| 12:17.51 | jm_ | right, do the dmesg thing |
| 12:18.15 | r0bert1984NLMepp | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.44 | chrysopa | Exist any form to control optical mouse? |
| 12:18.49 | cheal | !ops AGainsT porn spam again |
| 12:18.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: AGainsT porn spam again |
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| 12:19.01 | hikenboot | I possed a question last night...but had a family emergency so i missed any answers given. I am trying to compile my kernel using the standard debian method. It says the following fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version -486 --initrd \ --revision=rev.01 kernel_image \...My problem is I am not sure what it is looking for in the append to version or the revision or kernel_image sections...I am trying to compile 2.6.11-1-386 |
| 12:19.01 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.05 | jm_ | chrysopa: how do you want to control it? |
| 12:19.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 12:19.06 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.101.214.66] by dondelelcaro |
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| 12:19.24 | chrysopa | My mouse move without any touch |
| 12:19.26 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 12:19.26 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 12:19.37 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: above is the kp mantra. COnsider using that. |
| 12:19.39 | jm_ | chrysopa: that's somewhat typicial for optical mice |
| 12:19.54 | gazza | maybe i can try to apt-install xserver-xfree86, u think that would work?it was everything ok till i installed xscreensaver package |
| 12:20.17 | chrysopa | Sometime I point and click in wrong place because the mice move. |
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| 12:20.19 | hikenboot | thank you |
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| 12:20.36 | hikenboot | kernel_image would be 2.6.8-1-386 right? |
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| 12:21.07 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: no, the command is typed exactly as it says. |
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| 12:21.30 | hikenboot | really....how stupid of me thank you! |
| 12:21.41 | concept10 | Is gnome 2.10 in the stable repo now? |
| 12:21.56 | stouset | concept10: It's in sid and testing. It will never be in Sarge. |
| 12:22.01 | petemc | concept10: no, nor will it be, thats why its stable |
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| 12:23.00 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: reading man make-kpkg; and figuring out what all of the options in the kernel compilation mantra are will also help you |
| 12:23.15 | concept10 | stouset, why is that. I dont understand the concept |
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| 12:23.35 | stouset | Sarge is stable, meaning the featureset and package list will never change. |
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| 12:24.05 | stouset | GNOME 2.10 is in Etch right now, because etc is in testing. It is also in unstable. |
| 12:24.12 | rmrfchik | qt4 is out. |
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| 12:24.35 | hikenboot | dondelelcaro thanks I actually tried reading that man page and found it very confusing! |
| 12:24.35 | jtza8 | I'm sorry to be asking such an OT question, but does anyone know whether AMD means 2 processors when using the phrase "two-way"? |
| 12:24.39 | concept10 | stouset, any release timetime on etch? (just curious) |
| 12:25.00 | cheal | !wwer |
| 12:25.03 | Eulex | concept10, it's releaseed WIR |
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| 12:25.11 | cheal | damn |
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| 12:25.12 | stouset | concept10: When it's done. |
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| 12:25.26 | Eulex | or ready |
| 12:25.30 | stouset | concept10: If you absolutely need the latest and greatest, run testing or sid. |
| 12:25.35 | jharrisonwk | how is xorg doing? |
| 12:25.35 | stouset | or ready :-) |
| 12:25.38 | stouset | concept10: |
| 12:25.42 | jtza8 | 'cause I'm a total SMP noob. |
| 12:25.44 | cheal | I was sure these factoids existed |
| 12:25.49 | Eulex | !tell jharrisonwk about xorg |
| 12:25.49 | stouset | concept10: Many of us run unstable. |
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| 12:25.56 | stouset | !tell me about xorg |
| 12:26.07 | r0bert1984NLMepp | anyone know what to do about this (translated error?) |
| 12:26.07 | cheal | !tell stouset about msg the bot |
| 12:26.08 | r0bert1984NLMepp | /join #debian |
| 12:26.09 | stouset | D'oh, no updates ;) |
| 12:26.11 | r0bert1984NLMepp | sorry |
| 12:26.15 | stouset | cheal: I know. |
| 12:26.22 | r0bert1984NLMepp | error while reading from cd while cds are tested ok |
| 12:26.30 | jharrisonwk | Eulex: hey thanks man but I know this stuff already |
| 12:27.22 | Eulex | r0bert1984NLMepp, bad cd drive? |
| 12:27.48 | r0bert1984NLMepp | than how can they be tested ok? |
| 12:27.54 | concept10 | stouset, I know testing is always changing but, is there a feature set posted of testing somewhere? |
| 12:28.27 | Eulex | r0bert1984NLMepp, or maybe the cd drive you're testing the cd in can withstand more errors than the one you get errors in (assuming you tested in one drive, and get errors with another) |
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| 12:28.50 | deltron | does anyone here know how to authenticate to a proxy? I need to authenticate to our proxy server here to get on the internet |
| 12:29.19 | deltron | I need it for apt-get |
| 12:29.22 | stouset | concept10: No, not really. By featureset, I mean of all the packages installed. |
| 12:29.26 | rixth | What is a decent pop3 server? |
| 12:29.26 | Eulex | concept10, "feature set"? package list? kernel build options? |
| 12:29.28 | r0bert1984NLMepp | Eulex: I tested it with dvdr, dvdrw, cdr, cdrw and in a cddrive and dvddrive |
| 12:29.33 | r0bert1984NLMepp | :( |
| 12:29.36 | r0bert1984NLMepp | :( |
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| 12:29.43 | stouset | concept10: i.e., no new features will ever be added to sarge. Only bugfixes and security patches. |
| 12:29.43 | cheal | dpkg: when will etch release is scheduled to be the most boring question after when will sarge release. as always, ask me about wir. wondering |
| 12:29.43 | cheal | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.44 | dpkg | cheal: I think you lost me on that one |
| 12:29.45 | r0bert1984NLMepp | (sorry.. new to irc :S) |
| 12:29.52 | cheal | ah, still the same problem |
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| 12:30.04 | petemc | deltron: do you know what kind of proxy? |
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| 12:30.42 | deltron | petemc: bluecoat I believe |
| 12:30.43 | concept10 | Eulex, by feature set I mean, for example does testing have gnome 2.blah, kde 3.4blah, Xen, SELinux, etc. |
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| 12:31.04 | petemc | deltron: neevr heard of it, doesnt sound liek an authentication mechanism |
| 12:31.06 | Eulex | concept10, packages.debian.org |
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| 12:31.40 | deltron | petemc: it authenticates using activedirectory ID's |
| 12:31.40 | cheal | dondelelcaro: is there a way to force dpkg to eat a factoid when it has parsing problems. like helping him by quoting the arguments |
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| 12:31.56 | dondelelcaro | cheal: which factoid? |
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| 12:33.09 | Rambo4 | java-package is not found with apt. do i need extra server list |
| 12:33.13 | dondelelcaro | cheal: and no, if there's a case where it's having problems parsing the factoid and it should be valid, let me know... |
| 12:33.16 | directhex|work | you need contrib |
| 12:33.27 | Rambo4 | ok ty |
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| 12:34.25 | otje | When I turn on DMA using hdparm, my box gets to arbitrary high load levels. Is there some way I can figure out wheter this is software or hardware related? |
| 12:34.59 | dondelelcaro | otje: load levels are highly innacurate |
| 12:35.01 | Jihad | hi, im having trouble (very slow speed) with my inbuilt NIC (running as 3c59x). Any suggestions? |
| 12:35.09 | dondelelcaro | otje: they primarily reflect the number of processes in D. |
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| 12:35.56 | Stevie[FP] | i can't get this damn gigabit nic to work >:( |
| 12:36.07 | ligi | anyone kows how to repair a broken /dev? |
| 12:36.11 | dondelelcaro | Stevie[FP]: put it on welfare. |
| 12:36.12 | ligi | it is fucked up by moving around hdds |
| 12:36.15 | rEa | Hello i have a Atheros AR5001 Wireless network in my laptop, does anybody know if there is a linux driver out? |
| 12:36.21 | dondelelcaro | ligi: in what way? |
| 12:36.38 | cheal | dondelelcaro: thanks for the feedback, I thought dpkg's parser was known to be broken on some factoids. I tried "when will etch release is scheduled to be the most boring question after when will sarge release. as always, ask me about wir. wondering" above and it didn't take it. isn't it valid? |
| 12:36.43 | ligi | dondelelcaro: some devices do not appear |
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| 12:37.01 | stouset | cheal: It was separated on two lines... |
| 12:37.06 | ligi | dondelelcaro: have to do mknod stuff - but next time theyare gone again |
| 12:37.08 | dondelelcaro | ligi: are you using udev? or what? |
| 12:37.30 | cheal | stouset: yes, but it didn't take the first |
| 12:37.31 | dondelelcaro | ligi: yes, that's why you should be using MAKEDEV to make them |
| 12:37.38 | Stevie[FP] | erm |
| 12:37.42 | Stevie[FP] | that should be WIR, not wir |
| 12:37.54 | dondelelcaro | doesn't matter |
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| 12:38.40 | Stevie[FP] | if it's an acronym, it should be all caps :P |
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| 12:39.11 | ligi | dondelelcaro: thanx ill check your hints |
| 12:39.30 | otje | dondelelcaro: okay, but there's nothing much left I can do with my pc one this happens |
| 12:39.36 | Rocker | does anyone knows one good tutorial (friendly) to make install and run SAMBA to acsess files in windows and use remote printers ? |
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| 12:40.03 | dondelelcaro | otje: does this only happen when you've turned on DMA? You realize that a modern kernel does that automatically for modern drives? |
| 12:40.08 | jm_ | you use Samba to let Windows machines access file on Unix server, not the other way arround |
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| 12:40.42 | Rocker | jm_, I want use my printer that it is other computer .. using win 98 |
| 12:40.47 | otje | well, it is off by default here... |
| 12:40.49 | cheal | jm_: why not? |
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| 12:41.08 | concept10 | jm_, i think you have that wrong |
| 12:41.08 | jm_ | Rocker: you can do that using CUPS |
| 12:41.13 | jm_ | concept10: no |
| 12:41.21 | cheal | maybe smbfs/cifs is more precise? |
| 12:41.22 | jm_ | cheal: why not what? |
| 12:41.25 | Rocker | jm_, ... hard to setup |
| 12:41.33 | Rocker | begginer here |
| 12:41.39 | jm_ | Rocker: it's not really hard |
| 12:41.41 | concept10 | jm_, samba is not to access windows smb shares? |
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| 12:41.57 | Rocker | jm_, any friendly tutorial ? |
| 12:42.17 | grexk | Rocker: try tldp.org |
| 12:42.30 | Rocker | let me see .. thanks advance |
| 12:42.30 | otje | dondelelcaro: and both kernel and drives are quite modern |
| 12:42.31 | jm_ | concept10: no, smbfs/cifs is |
| 12:42.51 | jm_ | Rocker: Printing to Windows Servers chapter in CUPS manual, maybe there are some howtos out there |
| 12:42.55 | grexk | Rocker: just skim the howtos as well as the guides |
| 12:43.15 | jm_ | it relies on smbspool utility to send jobs to printer |
| 12:43.20 | cheal | dondelelcaro: I must leave, so I sent you a memo about the factoid |
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| 12:43.41 | Rocker | reading .. thanks |
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| 12:45.35 | rEa | Hello i have a Atheros AR5001 Wireless network in my laptop, does anybody know if there is a linux driver out? |
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| 12:45.41 | dondelelcaro | cheal: you just need to escape the first \when. |
| 12:45.51 | stouset | Yes, rea |
| 12:46.18 | douglas | sunglasses, huh .. that's the way i can use my machine for long clips without bursting blood vessles in my eyes? |
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| 12:46.42 | stouset | rea: I believe that madwifi has an atheros driver. |
| 12:46.53 | _michael | salut tt le monde y a des francophone ???? |
| 12:47.19 | Eulex | !fr |
| 12:47.19 | rEa | stouset: when i go into the madwifi sourceforge site there are no files? |
| 12:47.20 | stouset | !fr |
| 12:47.20 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:47.20 | douglas | _michael: il faut aller a #debian-fr |
| 12:47.20 | _michael | merciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 12:47.20 | douglas | de rien |
| 12:47.21 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:47.37 | ligi | dondelelcaro: MAKEDEV creates some - but not the needed /dev/dri/card* and the alsa stuff |
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| 12:48.07 | stouset | http://madwifi.sourceforge.net/#02 |
| 12:48.18 | ente | test |
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| 12:50.36 | stouset | You know, I actually saw a Tux Racer machine in an arcade two weeks ago. |
| 12:50.41 | stouset | Blew my freaking mind. |
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| 12:51.18 | rEa | stouset: how can i check that madwifi works for atheros AR5001 ? |
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| 12:51.51 | amorphix | I'm making a boot disk and it says that i need lib/libnss_files.so.1, but i have a newer version, can i make a symlink for the old version to the new? |
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| 12:52.40 | amorphix | or would I specifically need the old version? |
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| 12:53.26 | cmg_ | can anyone reccomend a CVS front-end that I can get from the repository? |
| 12:54.02 | Delph | viewcvs? |
| 12:54.26 | cmg_ | Delph, for doing checkins, not just to view a repository |
| 12:54.46 | liable | cmg_: apt-get search cvs |
| 12:54.51 | Delph | cmg_: cvs then. |
| 12:54.52 | amorphix | hi |
| 12:54.56 | liable | *cache |
| 12:55.10 | cmg_ | liable, there are like 20 of them.. hoping someone can reccomend one |
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| 12:55.27 | cmg_ | Delph, a GUI for it.. not just cvs command-line itself :) |
| 12:55.39 | concept10 | How or where do I enable dma as default on hard disc and cd rom |
| 12:55.39 | battlecat | hi I was wondering can you download a debian package burn it to cd then install it on another linux that uses debian? |
| 12:55.51 | amorphix | I'm receiving this error msg on checking my root fs on boot disk: /floppy/root/.bashrc(8): eval "`dircolors`" |
| 12:55.51 | amorphix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.00 | amorphix | is that likely to prevent the disk booting? |
| 12:56.02 | Delph | cmg_: then I can't reccomend one, they're all crap. |
| 12:56.09 | liable | cmg_: dma.conf?? |
| 12:56.22 | liable | cmg_: /etc.... |
| 12:56.25 | rezza | battlecat: sure, just use "dpkg -i /path/to/package.deb" on the other box |
| 12:56.33 | liable | cmg_: sorry, etc/hdparm.conf |
| 12:56.40 | cmg_ | liable, huh? |
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| 12:57.05 | Atula | whats the latest kernel? |
| 12:57.05 | liable | cmg_: bleh wrong nick sorry |
| 12:57.08 | battlecat | rezza Thank you. Do I need to also download every possible dependency with it as well/ |
| 12:57.10 | cmg_ | ;) |
| 12:57.11 | Atula | I haven't been around for a while |
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| 12:57.15 | concept10 | liable, thanks |
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| 12:57.26 | Atula | what's the latest "stable" kernel? |
| 12:57.26 | liable | concept10: /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 12:57.34 | toonX | what do i need to run files that are in *.gz.sh format? $sh name.gz.sh spits out errors like "Warning: unknown mime-type for "-r" -- using "application/*" |
| 12:57.34 | liable | concept10: np |
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| 12:57.47 | rezza | battlecat: if the other box doesn't have a net connection, then yes. Otherwise you can download them as needed when the install asks for dependencies. |
| 12:58.00 | cmg_ | .gz.sh? thats just evil.. wtf is that |
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| 12:58.03 | amorphix | hi, I'm getting the following msg on checking on my root fs "Can't determine your libc version" thats a bad sign right? could be the reason why the boot disk is not booting? |
| 12:58.04 | battlecat | Oh ok thank you Rezza |
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| 12:58.17 | rezza | no problem battlecat |
| 12:58.44 | battlecat | Rezza Ive been asking these same questions for a week now and the canned response I have been getting is just get a broadband line lol |
| 12:58.58 | battlecat | Rezza: You are the first to answer it otherwise |
| 12:59.12 | rezza | hehehe, well you should get a broadband line anyway :P |
| 12:59.23 | battlecat | I have one rezza |
| 12:59.29 | toonX | cmg_ well that's the format quake3 demo for linux comes in |
| 12:59.44 | ivan | sh *.gz.sh |
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| 13:00.19 | toonX | ivan: yes, done that but i get errors like Warning: unknown mime-type for "-r" -- using "application/*" , maybe corrupted archive? |
| 13:00.25 | ivan | toonX, try a file *.gz.sh |
| 13:00.49 | toonX | ivan: what do you mean try a file ? |
| 13:00.51 | ivan | toonX, probably, verify md5sum if there's one available, from memory that's all i did to install it |
| 13:01.02 | ivan | toonX, run the command: file *.gz.sh |
| 13:01.11 | toonX | ivan: ok |
| 13:01.46 | toonX | ivan: file says Bourne shell script text executable |
| 13:01.52 | liable | battlecat: you have been asking that question here for a week, seriously? |
| 13:02.04 | battlecat | yep |
| 13:02.15 | battlecat | everyone coppies the canned answer of get a broadband line |
| 13:02.21 | ivan | toonX, chmod +x *.gz.sh; ./*.gz.sh |
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| 13:02.27 | battlecat | it sounded like an echo when I first asked that |
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| 13:02.50 | toonX | ivan: ok |
| 13:02.57 | Delph | toonX: read what the shell script does, first. |
| 13:03.12 | liable | battlecat: hmm, not ##debian? look at apt-zip too. |
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| 13:03.44 | nunez | I have 2gigs of RAM and my machine never uses my Swap drive? is this good or should I tell it to use alittle bit of my swap? |
| 13:03.48 | liable | battlecat: or read the apt-howto |
| 13:03.54 | ivan | Delph, it verifies the contents of itself, unpacks the archive and proceeds to install quake3 |
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| 13:04.04 | ivan | nunez, its a good thing |
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| 13:04.30 | liable | nunez: why would you want it to use swap, when it doesnt need to? |
| 13:04.33 | concept10 | nunez, its good that your system doesnt use swap, remember memory is faster than harddisc |
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| 13:05.07 | nunez | Alright |
| 13:05.22 | nunez | Are there any URLs on how to tweak linux to run alittle faster? |
| 13:05.46 | roam | battlecat: use apt-zip |
| 13:06.11 | toonX | ivan: please check the output i get , http://rafb.net/paste/results/qhJvLJ70.html |
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| 13:06.17 | Eulex | nunez, "a little faster"? What ain't fast enough? |
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| 13:07.00 | nunez | Eulex: My external USB drives |
| 13:07.08 | Delph | ivan: no; that's what it's meant to do. It's always *always* a good idea to quickly glance over what it does in case the next thing it does is rm -rf / |
| 13:07.16 | cmihai | Are there any good Eclipse IDE 3.1 .deb package repositries ? |
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| 13:07.42 | Eulex | nunez, it's slow to write/read to/from them? |
| 13:08.02 | ivan | toonX, not sure mate |
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| 13:08.22 | toonX | ivan: it's weird |
| 13:09.05 | Eulex | nunez, that is a driver problem, not a problem with linux being slow |
| 13:09.08 | nunez | Eulex: Its read is slow |
| 13:09.34 | toonX | Delph: ok, read it , didn't make much sense of it anyways, care to take a look at the output i get ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/qhJvLJ70.html |
| 13:09.54 | concept10 | I want to make a bash script that echos text into a file, could someone give me the format for that |
| 13:10.09 | cmihai | echo shit > file |
| 13:10.21 | cahoot | nunez: do you know what device it uses sd* or ub* |
| 13:10.38 | concept10 | cmihai, what about a large body of text |
| 13:10.58 | nunez | cahoot: sd* |
| 13:11.14 | jm_ | concept10: you can use so called here document for that |
| 13:12.08 | concept10 | cmihai, for example I want to echo my selected repos into /etc/apt/sources.list - basically I want to write a script that sets up repos and fetch what I want (for multiple installs) |
| 13:12.37 | Eulex | nunez: how slow? is it faster in windows? |
| 13:13.00 | Eulex | nunez: is it like this: http://guilinux.com/viewtopic.php?topic=349&forum=55 ? |
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| 13:13.20 | nunez | Eulex: Its cache's the infomation faster, looking at big directories through XMMS it freeze X for a good 20-30 seconds if not more |
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| 13:13.49 | cmihai | echo "bla bla bla bla bla" >> /etc/apt/sources.list. I don't really see the point of all this... |
| 13:13.55 | quitte | how can i make a dns server that allows dyndns updates? |
| 13:13.57 | Delph | toonX: execute it with bash and the -v and -x options. |
| 13:14.04 | liable | concept10: why not just cp? |
| 13:14.14 | toonX | Delph: ok |
| 13:14.44 | concept10 | liable, good point |
| 13:15.20 | concept10 | cmihai, The basic point is that I want to setup multiple systems the same way |
| 13:16.02 | nunez | I have a P4 3.2ghz processor, I believe it supports hyper-threading, how do I make sure that its using this? |
| 13:16.06 | toonX | Delph: ok, care to check the output again ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/GedvVE49.html |
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| 13:16.41 | asg | nunez: install a -smp kernel image |
| 13:16.43 | Eulex | nunez: I dunno... maybe you could check your syslog or dmesg? |
| 13:16.43 | concept10 | nunez, cat /proc/cpuinfo and check flags for HT |
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| 13:17.08 | JohnnyST | nunez: cat /proc/cpuinfo it should say ht there on one of the flags.. |
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| 13:17.36 | PolarWolf | How about checking /proc/cpuinfo for more than one CPU in the firstplace? |
| 13:17.45 | liable | err, two cpu's?? |
| 13:17.53 | Eulex | nunez: ht doesn't do much speed difference on linux, cos linux is good at multitasking. it makes a big difference in windows, cos windows is bad at multitasking |
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| 13:18.11 | Eulex | liable: yes... ht creates to virtual cpu's |
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| 13:18.38 | quitte | sin and cos? |
| 13:18.46 | liable | Eulex: thanks |
| 13:18.55 | nunez | JohnnyST: I see HT in my "flags" section |
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| 13:19.13 | nunez | Eulex: alright, just trying to get that last little bit of speed out this thing lol |
| 13:19.26 | sypher | hey guys ... a cpuload of 10 ... what does that means? |
| 13:19.27 | JohnnyST | nunez: Then make sure your kernel have smp/ht support.. |
| 13:19.41 | sypher | i mean ... load of 10 means that is 10 times more than the cpu can process in realtime or what ? |
| 13:19.46 | Eulex | nunez: you sound like a person who would go for gentoo |
| 13:19.55 | nunez | JohnnyST: its not a smp kernel, its a normal 2.6 kernel that I apt-get'ed |
| 13:19.55 | concept10 | nunez, I run smp kernel sometimes and I dont see any performance difference |
| 13:20.01 | Eulex | sypher, no, it means the 10 processes are active at the same time |
| 13:20.13 | JohnnyST | nunez: ok |
| 13:20.13 | sypher | ? |
| 13:20.23 | nunez | Eulex: Naw, debian is my heart ;) |
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| 13:20.35 | sypher | so a load of 0.21 is that 0.21 process are active at the same time? |
| 13:20.41 | Eulex | sypher, 10 processes are active (they are doing something, they are not sleeping) |
| 13:20.54 | concept10 | Also, I never see any 'virtual' cpus with my HT processor |
| 13:21.04 | Stevie[FP] | i've never understood the scaling system for load average |
| 13:21.10 | Eulex | sypher, it's an average |
| 13:21.11 | Stevie[FP] | concept10: do you have an SMP kernel? |
| 13:21.20 | Stevie[FP] | (probably not) |
| 13:21.23 | concept10 | Stevie[FP], yes |
| 13:21.26 | liable | concept10: /proc/cpuinfo should show two cpu's |
| 13:21.28 | sypher | Eulex, ah ok i understood |
| 13:21.29 | sypher | thanks :D |
| 13:21.45 | concept10 | it only shows cpu0 |
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| 13:22.14 | PolarWolf | Eulex: Uh, no. The system load represents the average amount of processes in the CPU's run queue at various intervals |
| 13:22.36 | nunez | kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp |
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| 13:22.44 | concept10 | I have spent alot of time reading about SMP/HT crap as I was trying to get speed-scaling working on my laptop. |
| 13:22.47 | nunez | thats the one I need for P4 3.2ghz? |
| 13:22.58 | PolarWolf | Eulex: A load of 10 means zip in terms of amount of concurrently running processes. |
| 13:22.58 | Whitman | anyone know of any linux distros that will fit on a floppy drive? i need to boot a machine and edit a file on the hard drive |
| 13:23.13 | Whitman | err, "fit of a floppy disk" |
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| 13:23.14 | jm_ | Whitman: /msg dpkg anyone |
| 13:23.14 | asg | Whitman: tomsrbt |
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| 13:23.37 | concept10 | nunez, yes |
| 13:23.49 | _solar_ | hello, after that main update my inetd isnt anymore in the process list |
| 13:23.57 | nunez | concept10: Damn, they dont have nvidia support for that kernel yet |
| 13:23.59 | asg | Whitman: http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
| 13:24.07 | cmihai | Wow, synaptic just died. |
| 13:24.40 | Delph | toonX: bah, that's crazy. |
| 13:24.46 | _solar_ | and i /etc/init.d/inetd start says Starting internet superserver: inetd. but i dont see it |
| 13:24.48 | Delph | toonX: ditch installer, do it by hand. |
| 13:24.51 | concept10 | nunez, well dont use that kernel. you dont always have to use the 'latest and greatest' kernel |
| 13:24.51 | aep | is there any posibility to run an usermodelinux without having acces to the kernel sources? ( I have a vserver and i need to run another system under it) |
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| 13:25.06 | Eulex | PolarWolf, oh, ok... |
| 13:25.08 | asg | _solar_: if no entries are defined in /etc/inetd.conf, it won't start |
| 13:25.13 | jm_ | aep: build it elsewhere, transfer the binary over? |
| 13:25.17 | nunez | concept10: I was just going to switch to the smp because of Hyperthreading, but I'll wait for nvidia support |
| 13:25.19 | _solar_ | let me look |
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| 13:25.37 | aep | is there any posibility to run an usermodelinux without touching the kernel? ( I have a vserver and i need to run another system under it) |
| 13:25.43 | aep | jm_, no chance is an vserver |
| 13:25.49 | Eulex | concept10, 2.6.11 works much better than 2.6.8 with a lot of hardware. |
| 13:25.51 | quitte | aep why dont you have access to the kernel source? look on kernel.org for example |
| 13:25.54 | aep | jm_, im not able to change the kernel |
| 13:26.03 | _solar_ | asg: there is smtp and socks |
| 13:26.07 | jm_ | aep: uhm uml is a binary you run |
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| 13:26.25 | asg | aep: the uml kernel is just a kernel compiled to run as a userland binary, you don't need to tweak the host kernel. |
| 13:26.25 | aep | i did not explain it correct. i can not change the kernel couse it is an vserver |
| 13:26.30 | PolarWolf | jm_: Which won't unless there's support in the host kernel for it |
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| 13:26.33 | asg | aep: well, unless you want the skas patch functionality |
| 13:26.35 | concept10 | Eulex, Im not saying that it doesnt, im just saying not to upgrade kernel unless there is some good reason to. |
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| 13:26.44 | jm_ | PolarWolf: that's bollocks |
| 13:26.46 | asg | _solar_: defined and uncommented? |
| 13:26.53 | aep | asg, the "skas patc" ? |
| 13:27.01 | _solar_ | asg: defined! =) |
| 13:27.03 | aep | quitte, why? |
| 13:27.04 | PolarWolf | jm_: It is? Hmm, I'll try it when I get back next week. |
| 13:27.05 | asg | aep: better memory management. |
| 13:27.19 | aep | asg, i dont need it, do i :) |
| 13:27.21 | quitte | aep. you do not have to change the klernel of your vserver, dammit |
| 13:27.25 | asg | aep: no |
| 13:27.26 | _solar_ | socks stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/sockd sockd .. for example |
| 13:27.26 | jm_ | PolarWolf: I have run it just fine with all my standard kernels |
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| 13:27.39 | asg | aep: I run 11 uml instances on a single sarge box with a 2.6.8 debian kernel. |
| 13:27.46 | PolarWolf | jm_: Hmm |
| 13:27.51 | aep | quitte, thought so... tryit it someday, then the howto had kernel fixes in it |
| 13:28.17 | quitte | aep - yes -but you DO NOT APPLY THEM TO THE KERNEL OF YOUR VSERVER |
| 13:28.17 | asg | aep: I did compile my own uml kernel but that's neither here nor there. |
| 13:28.40 | aep | quitte, dammit |
| 13:28.40 | PolarWolf | jm_: I just realized you're right :-) |
| 13:28.51 | aep | thank quitte asg i'll do it now |
| 13:28.55 | PolarWolf | jm_: SKAS is nice and recommended, but not required |
| 13:29.11 | quitte | hah! sometimes shouting helps |
| 13:29.12 | toonX | Delph: yeah , thanks dude |
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| 13:30.45 | asg | PolarWolf: have they updated it, last I checked it only ran on 2.4.26 kernels. |
| 13:31.17 | PolarWolf | asg: Very possible, I haven't been using 2.4 much since 2.6 came out as -test |
| 13:31.27 | PolarWolf | Especially not for UML |
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| 13:31.45 | tell | hi, i have a prob running custom 2.6.12 kernel. either having framebuffer support enabled or disabled, i get the following errormessage during boot: nvidiafb: CRTC0 not found. what could be wrong? |
| 13:32.17 | tell | this is immediately after boot, so i cant even log in |
| 13:32.35 | asg | tell: how far into the boot process does it get? |
| 13:33.24 | paulswm | Looks like a console device missing message to me |
| 13:33.47 | tell | asg, i don't know exactly, pretty much immediately |
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| 13:34.43 | asg | tell: can you boot 'linux single' and get a prompt? If so, /msg dpkg blacklist. Otherwise, see what paulswm said. |
| 13:34.45 | paulswm | tell: what's the message when fb is disabled? |
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| 13:34.59 | tell | asg, it remains just the same |
| 13:35.11 | tell | asg, or i dont know how to disable |
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| 13:35.28 | val3ntin | guys, probably this gets asked a whole lot but.. when... will.. the kde 3.4 get into sid.. (not to mention etch) :S |
| 13:35.31 | roods | is there a way to demonize a process in csh? |
| 13:35.43 | sep | val3ntin: when it's ready ? |
| 13:35.44 | paulswm | tell: are you running udev or devfs? |
| 13:35.46 | tell | asg, also, the lines in boot dont start on the left of the screen, the go on on the next line |
| 13:35.53 | val3ntin | well |
| 13:35.54 | tell | paulswm : i dont know |
| 13:35.58 | sep | val3ntin: and it's also mentioned in the topic... |
| 13:36.16 | tell | paulswm : none of both i guess |
| 13:36.16 | val3ntin | hm.. didn't see it was at the end of it |
| 13:36.19 | val3ntin | ok, sorry |
| 13:36.43 | tell | paulswm : command not found |
| 13:36.43 | sep | val3ntin: so you see it's asked a whole frigging lot in here :P |
| 13:36.44 | Guerin | ok |
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| 13:36.49 | paulswm | tell: what ahppens with a non-custom kernel? |
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| 13:37.03 | aep | (make sure you have nfs support compiled into your kernel) are you shure i dont need to touch the kernel? |
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| 13:37.11 | tell | paulswm : i installed sarge, running now |
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| 13:37.18 | Guerin | would a box rebooting or being powered off cause sig 15 |
| 13:37.19 | val3ntin | sep: thought so .. sorry again :) |
| 13:37.20 | Guerin | ? |
| 13:37.22 | tell | paulswm : trying to get custom working |
| 13:37.49 | paulswm | tell: ps -ef|egrep "udevd|devfsd" - if that shows nothing except the egrep, you're not running them |
| 13:37.52 | jm_ | Guerin: sig 15 is SIGTERM, so it's a possibility |
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| 13:38.08 | stew | Guerin: Sending all processes the TERM signal... |
| 13:38.16 | Guerin | stew: right. |
| 13:38.30 | Stevie[FP] | i thought 10 was SIGTERM |
| 13:38.31 | tell | paulswm : shows nothing |
| 13:38.39 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
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| 13:38.42 | paulswm | tell: so it boots OK with a standard kernel? Which one? |
| 13:38.42 | Stevie[FP] | 10 is USR1 |
| 13:38.48 | amorphix | hi..does anyone have any clues for me of why my boot disk just gives L 99 99 all across the screen |
| 13:38.50 | Stevie[FP] | i always prefer signal 11 :) |
| 13:39.00 | Stevie[FP] | i would guess that it is slightly damaged |
| 13:39.01 | tell | paulswm : l across the screen |
| 13:39.06 | tell | sorry |
| 13:39.16 | tell | paulswm 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 13:39.20 | Guerin | what does a hard poweroff do? The ssh connection was killed with 15, but there should be nobody on site too shut it down now |
| 13:39.29 | Guerin | even presuming they knew how and had the root pass |
| 13:39.43 | ilTizio | hi guys, I just upgraded my debian and gnome is not working anymore. Could not find infos how to get back, any idea or link? |
| 13:39.57 | paulswm | tell: what did you use as the base .config when you configured your custom kernel? |
| 13:39.57 | jm_ | Guerin: it depends, on my box pressing the power button causes graceful shutdown ;) |
| 13:40.13 | sep | !not workig |
| 13:40.15 | sep | !not working |
| 13:40.16 | Eulex | ilTizio, upgraded from what version to what version? |
| 13:40.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 13:40.19 | tell | paulswm : i didnt, went through all options |
| 13:40.24 | Guerin | jm_: hrm, possible. But even so, a hard poweroff, like a powercut, won't do that. |
| 13:40.42 | jm_ | Guerin: but hard power off would mean your connection would get stuck, and then it would die after a timeout was reached |
| 13:40.50 | Guerin | jm_: hrm, ok. |
| 13:41.02 | ilTizio | Eulex I was using gnome 2.10 in experimental without any problem, now I got gnome 2.10 from unstable, using unstable |
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| 13:41.14 | paulswm | tell: then youve missed some console stuff in the kernel config, I think. What CPU do you have? |
| 13:41.14 | Guerin | the box DOES seem to get rebooted at a random time each night, though the boss tells me that's impossible |
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| 13:41.20 | jm_ | Guerin: how do you know it was killed with SIGTERM? |
| 13:41.27 | Guerin | anyway, I;ll suss it out in the am |
| 13:41.34 | tell | paulswm : i dont understand that in boot nvidiafb even gets mentioned, when i havent selected such a thing |
| 13:41.43 | devfs_ | how i mount raid devices on sarge boot cd? |
| 13:41.44 | tell | paulswm : amd sempron 2500+ |
| 13:41.50 | Guerin | jm_: Killed by signal 15. echoed to the terminal where it was |
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| 13:42.07 | Guerin | hrm |
| 13:42.10 | jm_ | Guerin: did you check that it's not compromised? |
| 13:42.16 | Guerin | that would be a local message, not a remote one |
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| 13:42.25 | Guerin | jm_: it's behind a NAT. |
| 13:42.35 | jm_ | Guerin: maybe it's your client doing this? |
| 13:42.37 | Guerin | jm_: and it's the only unix box behind that nat |
| 13:42.45 | Eulex | ilTizio, not working in what way? |
| 13:42.46 | devfs_ | j #debian-br |
| 13:43.08 | Jihad | im having trouble with my inbuilt NIC (running extremly slow). Any suggestions on what to do? |
| 13:43.10 | aep | "quitte aep. you do not have to change the klernel of your vserver, dammit" ---> the patch is called uml-host-patch and the howto sys I DEFINITLY NEED IT |
| 13:43.10 | Guerin | jm_: yeah, the network is flakey, but it should reconnect after a timeout. |
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| 13:43.24 | Guerin | anyway, I'll see if it comes back up in the morning |
| 13:43.24 | greycat | Jihad: for starters, give some *details*. |
| 13:43.37 | honschu | What should be used, dselect or aptitude? |
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| 13:43.44 | greycat | honschu: whichever you prefer |
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| 13:44.04 | honschu | greycat: good to know, because I think aptitude was prefered to udate?! |
| 13:44.13 | ilTizio | Eulex: I got something removing all previous configuration .gnome* and .gconf* so I got the desktop again but ...programs (evolution/gnome-terminal/firefox and other) don't start :( they freeze |
| 13:44.16 | nunez | anybody use prelink? |
| 13:44.19 | greycat | honschu: apt-get in woody wasn't smart enough. |
| 13:44.20 | paulswm | tell: suggestion follows |
| 13:44.30 | honschu | greycat: okay, thx! |
| 13:44.34 | tell | paulswm : should i add 'vga=normal' in grub? |
| 13:44.41 | tell | paulswm : :) |
| 13:44.44 | a-atwood | dist-upgrade on sid just removed aptitude for me. 8( |
| 13:45.29 | asg | a-atwood: that's why you use -u |
| 13:45.34 | Jihad | greycat: when downloading or apt-getting or browsing. the card is a 3com running in lsmod as 3c59x when trying to rmmoding it i get a esage that it is waiting for eth0 countdown something = -256 its an endless countdown. tried ifdown the eth0 before rmmod it with no result |
| 13:45.36 | a-atwood | any idea when libapt-pkg-libc6 might be installable again? |
| 13:45.38 | aep | "mount: no permission to look at /dev/loop#" as i wanted to mount an iso |
| 13:45.38 | liable | a-atwood: maybe you shouldnt have said y? |
| 13:45.54 | greycat | Jihad: a bulit-in 3c59x card? wow, never seen one of those.. |
| 13:46.11 | greycat | most built-ins are via-rhine or Broadcom or Nforce or Intel |
| 13:46.35 | Jihad | well thats what the installer detected it as |
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| 13:47.00 | sep | greycat: dont forget rtl's |
| 13:47.02 | kingsley_ | Can leafnode be run under /etc/cron.daily so that it doesn't email a status report every time? |
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| 13:47.37 | amaldo | Tyan uses 3c59x in many motherboards. |
| 13:47.41 | paulswm | tell: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7, boot into it and check it works OK, then use the /boot/config-2.6.8-2-k7 as your base (cp it to /usr/src/linux/.config) and do the config again. I assume that you are building using instructions in debian reference manual chapter 7 - if not you should be. Don't forget to save your current .config off somewhere before overwriting it in case you need it. |
| 13:47.44 | greycat | Jihad: I'm not aware of any special bugs in 3c59x drivers in recent kernels.... which kernel is this? have you loaded any other OS on this same machine and seen it fail/work/explode/whatever? |
| 13:47.50 | asg | kingsley_: if the status report is just the output of running leafnode, just pipe output to /dev/null. |
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| 13:48.17 | Jihad | nah, other os has worked on it |
| 13:48.20 | Jihad | its 2.6 |
| 13:48.21 | tell | paulswm : thanks, ill try that |
| 13:48.32 | kingsley_ | asg: Have you actually tried piping leafnode's output to /dev/null? |
| 13:48.34 | greycat | maybe 2.6.x has a 3c59x bug? have you tried 2.4.x? |
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| 13:48.43 | greycat | (or a different 2.6.x) |
| 13:48.44 | Jihad | yeah tried with 2.4 aswell |
| 13:48.51 | kingsley_ | asg: ...on a daily basis for a long time? |
| 13:48.57 | asg | kingsley_: no, it was a suggestion. > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 13:49.05 | jm_ | I feel we'll soon see '!why not 2.4' being used |
| 13:49.14 | paulswm | tell: It is a big pain in the ass, suggest at first that you compile in only what you need for boot so you don't have to do an initrd, also disable all modules which you know for sure you don't want. |
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| 13:49.22 | Jihad | the thing is, in the installation when defining additional module parameters for it. like full_duplex=1 options=4 it worked well |
| 13:49.24 | jm_ | uhm why not 2.6 ;) |
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| 13:49.40 | Jihad | but now after is going terribly slow |
| 13:49.41 | JBravo | What is the release at this moment? |
| 13:49.42 | jm_ | Jihad: that might mean your auto-negotiation doesn't work |
| 13:49.46 | greycat | Jihad: oh, so it's a full duplex vs. a switch that's not set to auto issue! |
| 13:49.53 | tell | paulswm : thanks very much. gonna reboot now. brb! |
| 13:49.55 | greycat | Jihad: so put that in /etc/modules and be done with it. |
| 13:50.01 | asg | JBravo: release of what? |
| 13:50.03 | kingsley_ | asg: I've used /dev/null too, but my concern is always that it will mask an important error message that I should know about. |
| 13:50.20 | Jihad | how do i put it there? |
| 13:50.24 | JBravo | Debian |
| 13:50.26 | asg | kingsley_: then pipe it to a logfile and use swatch to look for important bits. |
| 13:50.29 | Eulex | Jihad, if it's 2.6.8 you're using, you could maybe try out 2.4 |
| 13:50.30 | greycat | Jihad: echo '3c59x full_duplex=1 options=4' >> /etc/modules |
| 13:50.37 | greycat | Jihad: editor /etc/modules if needed. |
| 13:50.37 | asg | JBravo: www.debian.org |
| 13:50.38 | Eulex | !topicsmite JBravo |
| 13:50.40 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon JBravo. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:50.46 | sep | Jihad: if you specify speed/duplex on the card you _must_ specify it on the switch also. otherways the default is to fallback to half duplex |
| 13:51.02 | Eulex | Jihad, umh, meant 2.6.11 |
| 13:51.02 | JBravo | Im reading in www.debian.org and I dont found nathing.. |
| 13:51.10 | sep | Jihad: if you can't specify it on the switch (dumb non manageable one) then you shoudn't specify it on the card either |
| 13:51.15 | greycat | sep: the problem is the other way around. If the idiots who run the switch force it to (say) 10 Mbps Full Duplex, then I *must* set the cards that way.... |
| 13:51.24 | greycat | !lart Cisco |
| 13:51.24 | paulswm | Nobody ever checks debian.org before asking here, it would appear. |
| 13:51.31 | asg | JBravo: The latest stable release of Debian is 3.1. (apt-get install new-eyes) |
| 13:51.39 | sep | greycat: exacly, specify on both ends, or not at all, dont specify on one end only |
| 13:52.05 | liable | @annoy paulswm |
| 13:52.15 | Jihad | thanks greycat ill try it out |
| 13:52.26 | Eulex | !annoy paulswm |
| 13:52.27 | paulswm | !irritate liable |
| 13:52.29 | dpkg | liable: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh quake3 !!!! |
| 13:52.34 | faked | on my grafic-card, I have dsub and dvi. What do I have to do, to use dvi? Do I have to change something in XF86Config-4? |
| 13:52.36 | Stevie[FP] | heh |
| 13:52.49 | Cope | How do I change the editor that is used when using editor frontend to debconf? Its using nano; I want to use vi |
| 13:52.59 | liable | wah no apt :( |
| 13:53.08 | petemc | Cope: update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 13:53.11 | bluesky | where should I put local init scripts? stuff I want to run @ boot, after networking has come up |
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| 13:53.16 | liable | paulswm: :) hi |
| 13:53.18 | Cordovan | faked on matrox or on nvidea you need to use the closed source driver |
| 13:53.30 | paulswm | liable: Hi there :) |
| 13:53.34 | pietro_ | exist a .deb of php-gtk ? |
| 13:53.37 | greycat | sep: I wish I could just magically put all the switches back to auto here. But I can't... because I don't control them. And occasionally they get changed on me for no reason. E.g. in one room we have two side-by-side jacks on the same quad that were both 10-half last week. this week one's 10-half and one's 10-full. |
| 13:53.41 | asg | bluesky: /etc/init.d/README |
| 13:53.44 | faked | Cordovan: aaah, that's it, I'm using nv at the moment, thx |
| 13:53.53 | Cordovan | faked: np |
| 13:53.57 | acidsphin | Is there a channel for general (install) linux help? or can I just ask here?? |
| 13:54.01 | cbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.03 | greycat | acidsphin: ##linux |
| 13:54.07 | asg | acidsphin: ##linux |
| 13:54.10 | bluesky | asg: thanks |
| 13:54.14 | acidsphin | ty |
| 13:54.25 | paulswm | bluesky: also the debian boot process in the debian Reference Manual |
| 13:54.25 | Cordovan | bluesky: use /etc/rc.3 and then give a Sxx numer higher then your network script |
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| 13:54.29 | asg | cbr: the #debian-kde folks would be more interested |
| 13:54.46 | greycat | Cordovan: um. |
| 13:54.50 | JBravo | asg, thz |
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| 13:54.55 | Cope | petemc: thanks |
| 13:54.55 | cbr | asg: i presume they already know |
| 13:54.56 | asg | Cordovan: 3 isn't used by default in Debian |
| 13:54.59 | greycat | Cordovan: (which error should I start with?) |
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| 13:55.09 | ghatak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:55.29 | asg | ghatak: clamav |
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| 13:55.43 | asg | cbr: well, it isn't in their /topic so they either don't know or don't care. |
| 13:55.43 | paulswm | I'd start with the omitting to change /etc/inittab error |
| 13:55.51 | doub | ghatak: you don't actually need an antivirus for linux, only for say mail servers providing messages to windows hosts |
| 13:56.08 | paulswm | Or perhaps the silly-reason-for-using-rc3 error |
| 13:56.10 | asg | doub: and squid proxies doing content scanning |
| 13:56.34 | ghatak | doub: eh? why not? u mean u to say no dangers while browsing on net etc ? |
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| 13:56.45 | doub | asg: hugh, better have a clustered squid then |
| 13:56.46 | kingsley_ | How can one find out which process is responsible for abnormally high vnstat reports of data received? |
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| 13:56.57 | paulswm | !u |
| 13:56.58 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:57.11 | doub | ghatak: linux viruses are so few as to not actually being a danger |
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| 13:57.23 | Stevie[FP] | oh u guys need to rlx |
| 13:57.28 | Stevie[FP] | oh wait, i mean to say |
| 13:57.30 | asg | doub: depends on the traffic. |
| 13:57.33 | Stevie[FP] | o u gys nd 2 rlx |
| 13:57.39 | greycat | Cordovan: 1) don't msg me. 2) there is no /etc/rc.3 -- you meant /etc/rc3.d. 3) debian uses run level TWO by default, not three. |
| 13:57.46 | shingouz | !vogonsmite Stevie[FP] |
| 13:57.48 | dpkg | Stevie[FP]: Oh freddled gruntbuggly, / Thy micturations are to me / As plurdled gabbleblotchits / On a lurgid bee. / Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes / And hooptiously drangle me / with crinkly bindlewurdles, / Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon / See if I don't. |
| 13:57.59 | doub | ghatak: the most important problem here is worms and trojan horses, which are stopped by carefull administration (that includes a firewall) |
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| 13:58.15 | Stevie[FP] | evry1 noes tht cmptrs r lik cel fones n u hv 2 drp vwls |
| 13:58.21 | liable | !beer shingouz |
| 13:58.25 | greycat | !be unix barbie |
| 13:58.26 | dpkg | Vwls r HRD! |
| 13:58.28 | shingouz | dpkg: thanks |
| 13:58.29 | asg | haha |
| 13:58.56 | doub | ghatak: under windows, you are at risk when browsing only through IE, which allow aribrary machine code exectuion through ActiveX, which doesnt exist under linnux or even firefox with windows |
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| 13:59.17 | eXoDuS | anyone familiar with 'viewcvs' here? |
| 13:59.32 | doub | ghatak: and the fact that a windows user by default has administrator rights, which is not the case under linux |
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| 14:00.21 | ghatak | doub: not really, there all lots of other dangers in windows, to be honest windows itself is a minefield. cant say much about linux, (because i dont know much :P) |
| 14:00.23 | doub | asg: of course, but it would only be useful for huge businesses with clueless IE users, i guess |
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| 14:00.41 | asg | doub: or educational institutions |
| 14:01.17 | doub | asg: yeah ok s/businesses/organisations/ |
| 14:02.06 | doub | ghatak: yes, windows was designed to be simple, but they haven't taken the right route for that |
| 14:02.21 | greycat | it's designed to be *discoverable*. it's never simple. |
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| 14:03.16 | greycat | and they don't even pass the discoverability test. the other day I had to google to figure out what the hell they did to the partition displayer (it's no longer Ctrl-Esc, r, CMD, fdisk) |
| 14:03.17 | doub | greycat: it is, to the newcomer, simpler to understand than CLI. but of course, if you push things a little forward, it becomes a huge mess |
| 14:03.21 | ghatak | greycat: well they will get there, may be in next decade |
| 14:03.26 | amorphix | does anyone know what this error means from lilo: "99 invalid second stage index sector (LILO)" |
| 14:04.02 | doub | greycat: its basic simplicity doesn't scale, because it's simple on the front, not on the fundation |
| 14:04.07 | Stevie[FP] | It means that LILO encountered an invalid second-stage index sector |
| 14:04.07 | sep | gcc isnt part of the base pacjkages realy ? i installed from the 8MN mini iso. and selected no tasks whatsoever but still i have a full build-essential set of packages |
| 14:04.17 | Eulex | amorphix, corrupted hd? |
| 14:04.20 | greycat | I bet it means "boot rescue disk, mount root, chroot into it, vi /etc/lilo.conf, and then run lilo" |
| 14:04.28 | madroach | Hi, which program can I use to use my debian box as a serial vt100 client?? |
| 14:04.30 | doub | greycat: which is exactly the opposite of the unix philosophy |
| 14:04.40 | amorphix | Eulex: its from a boot disk |
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| 14:05.02 | ghatak | can bandwidth be controller on processes basis ? |
| 14:05.14 | Eulex | amorphix, corrupted boot disk? :) |
| 14:05.27 | amorphix | Eulex: no, its tested fine |
| 14:05.31 | doub | ghatak: you can do whatever bandwidth shaping that is allowed by the linux iptables firewall matching rules |
| 14:05.33 | liable | amorphix: yeah, wasnt it you *making* a boot disk? |
| 14:05.33 | greycat | ghatak: lartc.org |
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| 14:05.38 | amorphix | something must go wrong during the process |
| 14:05.39 | doub | ghatak: that includes process |
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| 14:05.44 | Thumann | grrr.. where can i find a amd64 sarge netinst iso |
| 14:05.48 | amorphix | liable: yup |
| 14:05.50 | greycat | Thumann: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 14:05.53 | Thumann | have looked 'everywhere' |
| 14:05.57 | sep | ghatak: some aplications have their own way of controlling traffic in the worst case you can use iptable to mark packages based on user and use that for shaping, and run the aplications as different users |
| 14:06.04 | doub | ghatak: or users |
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| 14:06.11 | greycat | Thumann: "everywhere" apparently doesn't include the amd64 channel. |
| 14:06.17 | amorphix | im stuck |
| 14:06.45 | amorphix | Stevie[FP] is it possible to narrow that down or translate it into english? |
| 14:07.10 | ghatak | sep: hmmm... sounds pretty complicated for me i guess |
| 14:07.16 | doub | sep: in what respect is it worse? do one thing and do it well, a trafic shaper is here for shaping trafic, a networked app should only care about exchanging data, not how |
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| 14:07.20 | Thumann | greycat: thanks, found it |
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| 14:07.25 | amorphix | i feel like im screwed every time i try to do anything in Linux a little bit adventurous :( |
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| 14:08.03 | liable | amorphix: chin up :P |
| 14:08.04 | amorphix | is there likely to be a problem with booting from a higher density 1722k fd you guys think? |
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| 14:08.12 | rik | Does anyone have a link for configuring a chroot for internet services please? Specifically should all files in the chroot be owned by nobody/some-system-user because debootstrap installs a full system with the usual range of users inc. root. Thanks in advance.. |
| 14:08.12 | ChickenBoy | Hi! |
| 14:08.15 | aep | "flush_thread : new thread failed, errno = 1" when i try to start my uml kernel |
| 14:08.42 | greycat | rik: when it doubt, make root own it. good rule of thumb. |
| 14:08.49 | amorphix | do i soldier on or accept agonising defeat |
| 14:08.51 | greycat | rik: but don't make root *run* it. make some other user run it. |
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| 14:09.29 | ChickenBoy | I have installed packages from a certain apt-get source. They had version numbers higher than my old packages. Now I removed that certain source. How can I downgrade the packages? |
| 14:09.46 | dondelelcaro | doub: you could only match ^doub:?\s* |
| 14:09.51 | ChickenBoy | or: How can I set the version with dselect? |
| 14:09.55 | dondelelcaro | s/*// |
| 14:10.10 | dondelelcaro | ChickenBoy: using =. man apt-get. |
| 14:10.24 | dondelelcaro | ChickenBoy: be aware however, that downgrades are not supported. |
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| 14:10.38 | faked | I use the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 and I want to use the binary-Nvidia-driver. So what do I have to do now? |
| 14:10.38 | Wanderer | Chicken: remove apt lines for the bogus source and "dselect update; apt-get upgrade" then install the pakcage you want |
| 14:10.39 | doub | dondelelcaro: yep. that's kindof irssi's default. but many clueless users write it at the end or in the middle of the message |
| 14:10.42 | Wanderer | SHOULD work |
| 14:10.54 | hikenboot | hello all--just had a disaster...couldnt get into x windows used xdebconfigurator and got info on what to configure for card and monitor...I can boot into x now but the problem is the screen flickers badly. I setup the configuration xdebconfigrator suggested...what do i do? By the way sorry for logging in as root...it slipped my mind! |
| 14:10.56 | Wanderer | Anyone having issues printing from firefox in debian unstable? |
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| 14:10.59 | dondelelcaro | doub: yeah, there's not much you can do... if you have it as long as mine is, they can't type it properly. |
| 14:11.02 | danyd | ChickenBoy, if apt-get doesn't work |
| 14:11.03 | Wanderer | using KDE |
| 14:11.18 | doub | dondelelcaro: maybe \bdoub\b IIRC regular expression syntax |
| 14:11.27 | danyd | apt-get update; apt-get -d "yourpackage" |
| 14:11.44 | danyd | dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/yourpackage.deb |
| 14:12.02 | Eulex | hehe |
| 14:12.30 | dondelelcaro | danyd: blech. You need to read the manpage too. |
| 14:12.51 | Eulex | dpkg -i danyd |
| 14:12.52 | doub | !tell Wanderer about ask |
| 14:12.53 | JBravo | Anoye have Debian in a Dell Inspirion 700m? |
| 14:13.06 | Eulex | lol |
| 14:13.21 | danyd | dpkg -i Eulex |
| 14:13.26 | doub | !tell JBravo about ask |
| 14:13.34 | danyd | aie |
| 14:13.39 | Eulex | JBravo, www.linux-on-laptops.com |
| 14:13.45 | danyd | ouch |
| 14:13.46 | Eulex | hehe |
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| 14:14.07 | ufoalien | hi Eulex |
| 14:14.08 | hikenboot | I am afraid of fiddling with the frequency since it might cause my monitor to blow and I cant aford a new one! |
| 14:14.13 | faked | I use the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 and I want to use the binary-Nvidia-driver. So what do I have to install kernel-sources therefor and compile them? |
| 14:14.23 | faked | s/what// |
| 14:14.28 | JBravo | Thz |
| 14:14.29 | danyd | dondelelcaro, why ? |
| 14:14.29 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: if your monitor is relatively recent, it shouldn't blow up. |
| 14:14.35 | danyd | it really works that way |
| 14:14.36 | rik | greycat: so the root user/userid in the chroot is the same as the root in the 'host' system? So providing the chroot is suitably hardened and an entry in the main system's xinetd.d dir calls the httpd in the chroot, with the chroot command as some-sys-user, then that is along the right line? Thanks. |
| 14:14.46 | Eulex | hikenboot, it's very rare that a monitor blows up because of bad frequencies |
| 14:14.46 | dondelelcaro | danyd: because that's an absolutely craptacular way of doing it. |
| 14:14.54 | danyd | yes I know :-) |
| 14:15.06 | ufoalien | faked: yes, you can install the nvidia-kernel-src package or something like that and then do module-assistand a-i nvidia-kernel-src |
| 14:15.13 | doub | hikenboot: recent monitors just shut down or display a nice message when they receive an undisplayabe frequency |
| 14:15.16 | Eulex | 'lo ufoalien |
| 14:15.38 | greycat | rik: EVERYTHING is numbers. Files are owned by numbers. Root is UID number 0. A file that ls -l shows as being owned by "root" actually just has a 0 in the UID field in the inode. |
| 14:15.55 | greycat | rik: whether your chroot has an /etc/passwd file that maps "0" to "root" or not doesn't matter. |
| 14:15.57 | doub | greycat: no, I am not a number, i'm a free man |
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| 14:16.14 | faked | ufoalien: ok, I will try |
| 14:16.15 | greycat | number 83-177-246-59 alias "doub": wrong. |
| 14:16.16 | asg | doub: muhhahahaha |
| 14:16.26 | danyd | dondelelcaro, if I know exactly the version I want I can apt-get install toto=1.2.0 |
| 14:16.36 | danyd | or use -t testing |
| 14:16.38 | hikenboot | thanks guys |
| 14:16.46 | hikenboot | I will fiddle with it then |
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| 14:16.55 | faked | ufoalien: hmm.. It seems that I have to configure my kernel, is this correct? |
| 14:17.20 | danyd | faked, no |
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| 14:17.41 | Lee__ | setting a user that's not root to UID 0 is UNIX hacking 101. |
| 14:17.45 | faked | danyd: ok |
| 14:17.54 | Lee__ | read it in a book a long time ago. |
| 14:17.55 | doub | greycat: what now? still a number?f |
| 14:18.04 | danyd | you just have to use modules-assistant to build and install nvidia modules |
| 14:18.12 | danyd | then put the entries in /etc/modules |
| 14:18.22 | Jihad | greycat: setting it in the modules didnt work for me. but ill try around more tomorrow got to go from work now. but thanks |
| 14:18.23 | paulswm | Not only is everything numbers as greycat said, but everything is constructed from false and true |
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| 14:18.49 | faked | danyd: ok, thx |
| 14:18.55 | doub | paulswm: you're 86.54% wrong |
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| 14:19.35 | rik | greycat: thanks. At first I thought chrooting was like VMWare, but the chroot has no seperate kernel, does it? Do you have a link to help me agressively prune the chrooted system please; I don't want to remove something important! |
| 14:19.56 | greycat | rik: if you remove something and it breaks, put it back. |
| 14:20.00 | Lee__ | rik: if you want a virtual machine with a sepperate kernel, I recommend you look at http://xen.sf.net |
| 14:20.06 | greycat | rik: that's the nice thing about a chroot. if you break it, you won't be unable to boot. |
| 14:20.27 | Lee__ | with Xen you can save the state of a virtual machine with one command. |
| 14:20.28 | doub | paulswm: for example, binary logic stands on the assertion that everything is constructed from false and true, you're right |
| 14:20.34 | rik | greycat: lol! live and learn! |
| 14:20.35 | doub | paulswm: but that's just an assertion |
| 14:20.57 | xydarcher | what can i do with this problem? Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 14:20.57 | doub | paulswm: fuzzy logic wouldn't exist otherwise. or neural nets |
| 14:21.13 | Lee__ | xydarcher: check your network connectivity |
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| 14:22.15 | doub | paulswm: that's just as true as euclidian geometry and its principle that 2 parallel lines never cross |
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| 14:22.43 | xydarcher | Lee__:it is ok, and some files are downloaded |
| 14:22.45 | paulswm | doub: Chill, I was just being humorous :) Anyway, even Jesus confirms that binary comms is the may to go "But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil." :P |
| 14:23.07 | Lee__ | xydarcher: what's the specific error on your screen? |
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| 14:23.56 | doub | paulswm: we're back at another assertion, that jesus is right and that christian's god exists |
| 14:24.01 | xydarcher | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 14:24.01 | xydarcher | E: Error occured while processing libgtk1.2 (NewVersion1) |
| 14:24.01 | xydarcher | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 14:24.01 | xydarcher | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 14:24.24 | greycat | doub: or it's a joke. |
| 14:24.29 | Teemu_K | http://pastebin.com/305193 |
| 14:24.31 | Teemu_K | what's broken |
| 14:24.33 | doub | paulswm: did you hear about the 5 jew that changed the world joke? |
| 14:24.37 | Teemu_K | that came while compiling kernel |
| 14:24.44 | greycat | then don't compile a kernel. |
| 14:24.45 | greycat | !custom kernel |
| 14:24.46 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
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| 14:24.57 | asg | !tell xydarcher about dynamic mmap |
| 14:25.19 | doub | greycat: well, it's a personal point of view ;) |
| 14:25.19 | faked | danyd: evertime I enter "module-assistant a-i nvidia-kernel-src", I get the message that my kernel is'nt configured, but I have a .config-file in /usr/src/linux. Ideas? |
| 14:25.26 | Teemu_K | greycat: well I would like to have some other kernel than just kernel that I can get with apt-get |
| 14:25.31 | xydarcher | Lee__: i was kicked please said it again if there are some words |
| 14:25.35 | rik | Lee__:So that's a GPL VM from Camb. Uni. Nice! And there was I, diligently requesting serial numbers for propritary software! Looks like it might run (spit!) M$ on future hardware too! |
| 14:25.42 | samuel | hello all |
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| 14:26.14 | Lee__ | rik: it's very good. VM ware is only necessary if you require Windows. |
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| 14:26.40 | Lee__ | !tell xydarcher about dynamic mmap |
| 14:27.02 | samuel | im trying to use sound recorder to get some simple voice in the computer, but when i press record there is no indication the recording is taking place and stop only seems to hang the program - whats the name of the program to file bugs please? |
| 14:27.14 | Lee__ | running Windows within VMware on Debian is the only way to fly! |
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| 14:27.36 | Lee__ | samuel: http://bugs.debian.org |
| 14:27.41 | shingouz | Lee__: running debian without windows is the only way |
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| 14:27.57 | petemc | not if you have an app that needs windows.. |
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| 14:28.08 | slabing | hello, How i mount my md devices using sarge boot cd? |
| 14:28.08 | Lee__ | ofcourse. but sometimes I have to work well with others. |
| 14:28.14 | xydarcher | thanks |
| 14:28.19 | doub | petemc: wine is here for that |
| 14:28.21 | emiliano_ | i don't need win-apps |
| 14:28.25 | petemc | doub: dont give me that |
| 14:28.30 | rik | Lee__: Unforunately my poker clients are not portable! |
| 14:28.36 | samuel | Lee__, i know about the site, but there used to be a terminal program that listed the bugs and you could see if it was there |
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| 14:28.37 | xydarcher | thanks Lee__ and asg |
| 14:28.42 | doub | petemc: it doesn't actually require windows, but the win32 api |
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| 14:28.55 | Lee__ | samuel: look harder. perhaps you can search bugs on that web page? |
| 14:29.12 | petemc | doub: im well aware of wine, and what it can and cant do |
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| 14:29.27 | doub | petemc: i guess so |
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| 14:29.43 | samuel | Lee__, you can, i know you can... but do you know the bug program please? |
| 14:30.07 | Lee__ | !tell samuel about search |
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| 14:32.06 | xydarcher | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.13.9_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 14:32.06 | xydarcher | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.31 | xydarcher | seems that this package contains some errors |
| 14:33.00 | Lee__ | xydarcher: are you running sarge? |
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| 14:33.45 | amit | How to mount an EXT3 partition so that users can write to it? tell me the line that should be added to fstab |
| 14:33.50 | stew | xydarcher: checked the bts? |
| 14:34.06 | xydarcher | no, i am using woody and upgrade it |
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| 14:34.24 | xydarcher | stew: what is bts? |
| 14:34.31 | stew | xydarcher: you are upgrading to sid? |
| 14:34.34 | AndyG | Hi, i noticed that sed is buffering when eating STDIN, is there a alternative that flushes after every line? |
| 14:34.49 | rik | greycat: The machine is behind a firewall and serving as a small-time web/mail server and offering Intranet services to the LAN. Would it improve security to compile a kernel with nfs etc as modules? or does that not improve anything? Is it still required to modify the chroot source (as a document a few years old said) to prevent breaking out of the jail? Maybe I'm just being paranoid :/ |
| 14:34.49 | amit | How to mount an EXT3 partition so that users can write to it? tell me the line that should be added to fstab |
| 14:34.55 | greycat | AndyG: /topic #bash -- see question 9 in their wiki/faq |
| 14:35.06 | greycat | (I think it's 9. maybe it's 20.) |
| 14:35.14 | ChickenBoy | my distro wants to install apache1 with metapackages like php4. How can I tell it to use apache2? |
| 14:35.36 | Lee__ | is Apache 2 in Sarge? |
| 14:35.36 | amit | How to mount an EXT3 partition so that users can write to it? tell me the line that should be added to fstab |
| 14:35.38 | xydarcher | stew, yes i am |
| 14:35.41 | dondelelcaro | Lee__: yes. |
| 14:35.47 | stew | !btssmite xydarcher |
| 14:35.57 | amit | hello |
| 14:35.58 | Lee__ | oh cool. How would one pin that down as the default web browser? |
| 14:35.59 | stew | you get the chainsaw |
| 14:36.00 | amit | anybody there? |
| 14:36.01 | danyd | faked, try putting your .config file as /boot/config-yourkernel . if you don't use debian kernel, then you shouldn't use module assistant |
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| 14:36.05 | danyd | faked, |
| 14:36.08 | asg | amit: no |
| 14:36.23 | amit | plz tell me how to mount an ext3 file system, so that users can write to it |
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| 14:36.35 | caphuso | amit: mount /dev/blah /some/place |
| 14:36.36 | amit | asg, plz |
| 14:36.47 | amit | caphuso, in fstab |
| 14:36.53 | caphuso | amit: man fstab |
| 14:36.57 | asg | amit: since it's ext3, it will be the same as giving users access to write to any directory. (man chmod, man chown) |
| 14:37.00 | Lee__ | amit: man mount |
| 14:37.11 | amit | k |
| 14:37.26 | amit | asg, didn't get you |
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| 14:37.48 | amit | asg, what does that mean? I have put the defaults in the options section, which doesn't allow me to do that |
| 14:38.04 | asg | amit: what are the permissions on the mountpoint? |
| 14:38.24 | amit | asg, i am still setting up the permissions |
| 14:38.42 | amit | asg, I have just read some basic info on editing fstab |
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| 14:39.00 | amit | asg, /dev/hdb2 /mnt/lin_data ext3 defaults |
| 14:39.04 | caphuso | amit: ignore fstab. it's not in any way related to your problem |
| 14:39.05 | danyd | Lee__, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 14:39.09 | amit | this is the line in my fstab |
| 14:39.14 | asg | !wikifaq amit Permissions |
| 14:39.15 | dpkg | amit: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:40.12 | Lee__ | danyd: thanks |
| 14:40.26 | amit | dpkg, asg i did not get it when you say that fstab isn't anyway related to your problme |
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| 14:40.59 | shaym_ | hello |
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| 14:41.11 | asg | amit: caphuso said that. It's an ext3 filesystem. You give users permission to write, read, or bugger off depending on the permissions of what it contains. Hence, you need to read the Permission wikifaq. |
| 14:41.15 | shaym_ | i have troubles with file names stored on vfat partition |
| 14:41.16 | scotth | hi, can anyone help me out with some problems I'm having with sympa and it being unable to set cookies through an apache 1.3 proxy? |
| 14:41.47 | shaym_ | web-inf instead of WEB-INF :( |
| 14:41.51 | amit | asg, what does this mean? "depending on the permissions of what is contains" |
| 14:41.55 | shaym_ | i try to rename it but i can't |
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| 14:42.20 | caphuso | amit: it means you have to buy yourself a unix introduction book |
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| 14:42.29 | asg | amit: read the faq. If i wanted to give bob2 permission to /mnt/pics/trannies, I'd use chmod and also chown if I was so inclined. |
| 14:42.51 | amit | caphuso, asg, hold on guys |
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| 14:43.00 | amit | caphuso, keep your cool man |
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| 14:44.57 | akraix | hi @all |
| 14:45.17 | shaym_ | is there an option for mount to keep original filename ? |
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| 14:45.31 | dondelelcaro | shaym_: eh? |
| 14:45.46 | terravolt | i have to make a partitioning scheme and i have too few experience to do it on my own or by googling and i cant afford to screw it up ... anyone wants to help me in PM? |
| 14:46.03 | akraix | hi @all, can anybody tell me where to set static routes so that they will be available also after a reboot? an equivalent to suse route.conf or the like |
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| 14:46.18 | caphuso | akraix: /msg dpkg static route |
| 14:46.23 | shaym_ | i have a j2ee project stored on vfat partition |
| 14:46.29 | shaym_ | i play with it under linux and XP |
| 14:46.33 | shaym_ | i have multiboot |
| 14:46.46 | shaym_ | some directory names under linux go to lowercase :( |
| 14:47.01 | shaym_ | perhaps due to the vfat mounting process |
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| 14:47.20 | faked | danyd: ok, that was a good hint, thx |
| 14:47.48 | concept10 | Anyone use DLink 520 wireless PCI ? |
| 14:47.52 | dondelelcaro | shaym_: they should be equivalent on a vfat disk. There's no difference between upper and lower case. |
| 14:47.57 | asg | shaym_: man mount ; I suspect the shortname option is what you need |
| 14:47.58 | shaym_ | /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2 vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 14:48.11 | akraix | @caphuso: thanks. i don't really get it. sorry. i know def gw are set inside /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 14:48.49 | shaym_ | very strange problem |
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| 14:49.13 | asg | akraix: you can also run commands pre/post up and down which is what that factoid refers to. man 5 interfaces. |
| 14:49.14 | akraix | everything i found on the net is that i have to write a boot.rc |
| 14:49.40 | hacim | is there a RSS reader built-in to galeon? |
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| 14:50.10 | doub | shaym_: windows display names with capitalization where they're actually lowercase on disk |
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| 14:50.29 | akraix | ok, what syntax? just "route add blabla"? |
| 14:50.31 | shingouz | akraix: i do not see what the weirdness on the 'static route' factoid is |
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| 14:50.51 | caphuso | akraix: "up route add blabla", just like the factoid told you |
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| 14:52.33 | kujo | what player can play .avi and .wmv movies? |
| 14:52.33 | tell | hi, i installed a custom 2.6.12 kernel and latest debian packages of nvidia drivers. i get error: nvidia: unknown symbol mtrr_del. Should i compile mtrr into kernel (which i havent right now)? |
| 14:52.35 | akraix | ok, thanks, i will give it a try |
| 14:52.46 | akraix | cheers |
| 14:53.10 | doub | tell: what do you think? |
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| 14:53.28 | sayadune | hi |
| 14:53.31 | shaym_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:53.34 | shaym_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.35 | tell | paulswm , hi agian, i followed your suggestions, i had the same problem but when booting new kernel with monitor turned off, turning on after bootprocess, it WORKS! |
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| 14:53.53 | tell | doub : i guess i'll do that |
| 14:54.17 | paulswm | tell: How odd, but glad you got it working to some extent |
| 14:54.44 | shaym_ | should i use mixed ? |
| 14:54.52 | tell | paulswm : still trying to get that fixed with new nvidia kernel module |
| 14:55.07 | saint | Hi |
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| 14:55.17 | saint | Possible to ask questions here? |
| 14:55.30 | shingouz | !ask to ask |
| 14:55.31 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! Omit any irrelevant details. If nobody answers then we don't know or are busy for a few minutes. Wait and don't bug us. If you must ask again wait until new people have joined the channel. |
| 14:55.35 | doub | tell: but you can always use the debian kernel which won't hurt unless you have very narrow needs or ressource-limited hardware |
| 14:55.39 | shaym_ | shortname=(lower|win95|winnt|mixed) |
| 14:55.40 | saint | mkay :* |
| 14:55.45 | shaym_ | what's the best option ? |
| 14:55.49 | FarrisG | Is there any way to tell from a shell the speed of your RAM? |
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| 14:56.41 | saint | Im installing a debian from scratch but I dont have an Internetconnection at tha PC, so I want to use a CD to install the required packages |
| 14:56.47 | saint | is it possible to mount it? |
| 14:57.06 | saint | hence im booting from the DFS cd |
| 14:57.07 | pattieja | morning |
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| 14:57.31 | tell | i just found out i did have mtrr enabled, guess i'll have to disable it then. |
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| 14:57.32 | pattieja | I upgraded horde2 and imp3 yesterday and now folders no longer show up, only the INBOX folder |
| 14:57.44 | pattieja | users cannot delete e-mail since they do not have a "trash" folder, too |
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| 14:58.08 | pattieja | anybody else run across this when upgrading their debian installation? |
| 14:58.16 | greycat | 24 users in #horde -- maybe one of them knows. |
| 14:58.22 | pattieja | greycat, thanks |
| 14:58.33 | kujo | what player can play .avi files ? |
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| 14:58.43 | greycat | kujo: mplayer, xine, totem, ... |
| 14:58.49 | rbochan | greetings earthlings |
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| 14:58.51 | saint | + .avi doesnt mean anything |
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| 14:59.07 | doub | tell: well, to be really precise, sometimes debian kernels do bite, but that's unusual |
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| 14:59.28 | tell | doub, ill soon find out.. |
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| 15:00.49 | doub | kujo: the avi file format is just a container, if your player doesn't have the codecs for the streams contained, it won't work |
| 15:01.08 | doub | kujo: while the player can still read the headers, but that's not much interresting |
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| 15:01.34 | sayadune | debian-installer don't find my ata hard drive, what could i do ? |
| 15:02.11 | doub | kujo: try vlc, it has a lot of codecs and can read avi headers |
| 15:02.21 | Eulex | sayadune, start it with the 2.4 kernel, not the 2.6 one |
| 15:02.21 | greycat | sayadune: put it on a native motherboard controller instead of an add-on one |
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| 15:02.42 | pattieja | greycat, no response, yet |
| 15:03.20 | kujo | doub good idea ..thanks :) |
| 15:03.21 | rbochan | antone else notice that upgrades to Sid want to remove synaptic and aptitude? |
| 15:03.27 | dbron | !doesn't work |
| 15:03.30 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:03.34 | asg | rbochan: welcome to sid |
| 15:03.38 | rbochan | :) |
| 15:03.59 | rbochan | been using Sid for about 2 years now, that's the first time they wanted to play with those |
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| 15:03.59 | sayadune | Eulex: I've ever tried with kernel 2.4 it does the same |
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| 15:04.59 | thingfish | I used sid for a few months. Too risky for me; sarge is ideal and is all I need. |
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| 15:05.34 | dondelelcaro | rbochan: there's a reason why you don't blindly run dist-ugprade... |
| 15:05.39 | rbochan | I use Sarge on clients' amchines, but I like to play a bit myself |
| 15:05.44 | sayadune | greycat, I don't understand what you mean by 'native motherboard controller'; did you talked about the software which controlls the board? |
| 15:05.59 | rbochan | dondelelcaro: that's why I didn't let it happen |
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| 15:06.06 | rbochan | I figured I'd wait and see |
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| 15:06.31 | greycat | sayadune: the IDE thingies that are *directly* on the motherboard, where the cables attach. Not on a PCI card. |
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| 15:07.14 | capu | guys - im trying to burn an iso to a dvd-r in k3b: but when i do, im getting the error "could not GET EVENT: input/output error" - how do i fix it? I'm not sure how to troubleshoot it, and the net isn't offering any help on the subject either |
| 15:07.36 | rbochan | sayadune: what kind of card is it? I've got a Promise FastTrak66/Ultra66 on this machine that worked just fine |
| 15:07.55 | sayadune | greycat, the drive is attached directly to the motherboard, which has one IDE and the other one SATA |
| 15:08.08 | Wanderer | ok, I'll rephrase. I'm using Debian Unstable, cups from unstable and Firefox 1.0.4. For as long as I can remember (since sometime around firefox 0.9.*) I haven't been able to print using firefox. I can print using Konqueror or gedit, etc. Yes it's likely a Firefox problem but has anyone run into it and know a solution other than hoping the firefox devs will be able to help? |
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| 15:08.32 | greycat | sayadune: oh, probably some weird BIOS issue with SATA vs. IDE and which one's the "first" disk. Ask #grub or #debian-boot maybe. |
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| 15:08.38 | sayadune | rbochan, it's an HP computer i'll look at the motherboard model now |
| 15:08.48 | wigwam | Hi! I have a Dell-Server with a DRAC III - Card. This card is officially only supported by MSWin and RHEnterprise. My Problem: When I use the Remote-Console I can see the screen, but the keyboard is not working. Does anyone know of any way to load keyboard-drivers or to make this work in any way? |
| 15:08.52 | sayadune | greycat, thanks |
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| 15:09.04 | rocky23 | whats the best way to start a daemon in the backround ? ive created an init.d script for it but i want it to be run in the backround otherwise when i start it, it sits there running on the current console until you ctrl c to kill it |
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| 15:09.43 | ben_ | rocky23: start-stop-daemon like the other init scripts? |
| 15:09.54 | wigwam | Is there any way to install sarge completely over serial-console? |
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| 15:10.07 | rocky23 | ben_: i run the start but it starts it and stays in that console like i said.. |
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| 15:10.22 | petemc | wigwam: i believe so, the debian installer has a wiki which may be useful for you |
| 15:10.24 | ben_ | rocky23: man start-stop-daemon, look at the -b option |
| 15:10.38 | wigwam | petemc: thanks for the tip |
| 15:10.45 | r0bert1984NLMepp | Hello all! I just installed Debian, but when I try to load xserver, i get a messy screen with all sorts of colors and stripes.. looks like my graphic card isn't installede right or something. Anyone know how i can find the exact problem and better how to solve it? |
| 15:11.07 | snail | r0bert1984NLMepp: this is on a laptop? |
| 15:11.12 | rmrfchik | r0bert1984NLMepp: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 15:11.14 | r0bert1984NLMepp | No.. |
| 15:11.21 | r0bert1984NLMepp | snail: normal pc with crt screen |
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| 15:11.37 | xzgv | r0bert1984NLMepp, #dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:11.42 | r0bert1984NLMepp | snail: i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:11.42 | sayadune | ups |
| 15:12.06 | xzgv | r0bert1984NLMepp, what error does it give ya? |
| 15:12.06 | r0bert1984NLMepp | : but i'm not sure what driver to select.. tried vesa (default?) but won't work.. |
| 15:12.13 | snail | r0bert1984NLMepp: look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log like rmrfchik says |
| 15:12.21 | r0bert1984NLMepp | Ok.. |
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| 15:12.56 | snail | the other thing to do is boot an operating system that does correctly recognise the screen and copy down the details... |
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| 15:14.09 | r0bert1984NLMepp | What do I search for in the log? it's huge.. |
| 15:14.35 | doublehp | I want to use Dbian under chroot under an other dist. Where can I find a tarball of the minimum install of debian, the state of hard drive just after first reboot (the one when we just eject the CD ) ? |
| 15:14.37 | r0bert1984NLMepp | It says "Chipset VESA found" in the log |
| 15:14.46 | rbochan | r0bert1984NLMepp: try this: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log |grep EE |
| 15:14.50 | rbochan | or grep WW |
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| 15:15.37 | r0bert1984NLMepp | rbochan: ok, just a second.. :) |
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| 15:17.45 | r0bert1984NLMepp | grep EE gives me "xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice .. Generic Mouse: cannot open input device .. PreInit failed for input device "Generic mouse" |
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| 15:18.10 | rbochan | there's one problem then |
| 15:18.16 | rmrfchik | r0bert1984NLMepp: u have no mouse ;) |
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| 15:18.27 | rbochan | X doesn't like to start without a mouse |
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| 15:18.53 | r0bert1984NLMepp | Eurr.. that can cause this display disaster? :P |
| 15:19.02 | rbochan | yup |
| 15:19.19 | r0bert1984NLMepp | lol |
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| 15:19.29 | r0bert1984NLMepp | ok, i'll try to fix it and get back here.. :) |
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| 15:20.32 | Ungy | does java-package work for the jdk as well? |
| 15:20.35 | Zta | How do I add a user to a group? I can never remember... |
| 15:20.46 | rbochan | Zta: adduser <user> <group> |
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| 15:21.14 | doub | Ungy: for supported versions, yes |
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| 15:21.21 | Zta | it's weird I always end up looking in man usermod and man groupadd |
| 15:21.26 | Ungy | doub sweet thanks |
| 15:21.31 | Zta | rbochan, thanks! |
| 15:21.35 | rbochan | de nada |
| 15:21.37 | lwolf | hi, need a little help : how can i reload X fontpaths without restarting X ? |
| 15:21.48 | doub | lwolf: xset fp rehash |
| 15:21.53 | saint | How do I unmount a CD I booted from? |
| 15:22.04 | akraix | hi folks, sorry, now i got what "/msg dpkg static route" meant! ;-) thanks for the help |
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| 15:22.11 | akraix | bye |
| 15:22.20 | doub | saint: if umount doesnt work, you're out of luck |
| 15:22.24 | saint | :( |
| 15:22.26 | saint | pity |
| 15:22.40 | nuliukas | I have a problem configuring proftpd. I want proftpd to use ftp-only accounts (made with ftpasswd) instead of adding them system-wide in /etc/passwd, then in proftpd.conf i specify "AuthUserFile /path/to/ftpaccounts.passwd", in my <VirtualHost> i add "User ftpuser1" (user from my ftp passwd file) and restart proftpd, which after that tells me that there's no such user. What am I doing wrong? |
| 15:22.44 | saint | are there common kernel-switches for loading everything to ram? |
| 15:22.51 | doub | saint: you can try opening the drive door with hdparm or cdrecord, but chances are your system will crash sooner or later |
| 15:23.01 | doub | saint: no |
| 15:23.03 | saint | Ill try that |
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| 15:25.20 | saint | doub: whats the hdparm command for ejecting a CD? |
| 15:25.26 | saint | -U? |
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| 15:26.09 | doub | saint: it's in the man page, i don't know |
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| 15:26.33 | saint | k |
| 15:26.35 | doub | saint: it doesnt actually eject but unlock the physical eject button |
| 15:26.45 | saint | ok reset probably? |
| 15:27.13 | doub | saint: no, i think it's referenced as 'unlock', so maybe -U you noted |
| 15:27.29 | doublehp | does xlock have an option to prohib switching to console ? |
| 15:27.30 | doublehp | I want to use Dbian under chroot under an other dist. Where can I find a tarball of the minimum install of debian, the state of hard drive just after first reboot (the one when we just eject the CD ) ? |
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| 15:27.50 | saint | well I resetted it, I can open it now |
| 15:27.54 | saint | hope it doesnt crash:) |
| 15:27.58 | rbochan | heh |
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| 15:28.06 | asg | doublehp: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 15:28.09 | wigwam | doublehp: look at debootstrap. Maybe it's right for you. |
| 15:28.18 | doub | saint: if you don't use some program that's not already in memory, that *should* work ok |
| 15:28.31 | doub | saint: but i bet you can't remount it afterwards |
| 15:28.37 | saint | :P |
| 15:28.42 | saint | Ill have to try that |
| 15:28.53 | saint | only have on RW cd at the moment so have to disc-juggle a bit |
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| 15:29.10 | wigwam | saint: tried lazy umount already? |
| 15:29.18 | rbochan | saint: can you make an ISO of that cd and mount that? |
| 15:29.33 | Ungy | damn sun you can't use lynx to get the jdk gotta use a gui browser ;-( |
| 15:29.43 | rbochan | then you could run whatever you wanted from uit and still ahve the harddware free |
| 15:29.51 | saint | Im going to mount the new CD make an iso from it and then I can eventually drop it ont he 2nd HD |
| 15:30.08 | saint | just have to get the 2nd cd mounted |
| 15:30.10 | doub | Ungy: try blackdown java, there's an apt-gettable repository for it |
| 15:30.16 | saint | wigwam> no |
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| 15:30.36 | doub | Ungy: don't even have to use java-package iirc |
| 15:31.01 | wigwam | saint: don't know if it works. But it's "umount -l" |
| 15:31.19 | saint | Just read that @ the manpage |
| 15:31.33 | doub | wigwam: i think it's only working for unreachable NFS servers |
| 15:31.35 | saint | well for now it isn't crashing so Ill see if it works |
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| 15:32.00 | rbochan | lol |
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| 15:32.24 | wigwam | doub: depends - it just takes the mountpoint away but leaves the open files open and accessable. it umounts /really/ if there are no more references. |
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| 15:32.57 | concept10 | Is a Celeron 333Mhz a 586 or 686 |
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| 15:33.31 | doub | wigwam: that's interresting. but does it work if say, you put the cd back in and remount? |
| 15:33.41 | dwflo | Hello dondelelcaro: I'm back |
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| 15:34.31 | concept10 | quick question: in /proc/cpuinfo cpufamily is 6 - does that mean 686? |
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| 15:35.18 | greycat | concept10: what does "model name" say? |
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| 15:35.32 | concept10 | greycat, Celeron |
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| 15:35.36 | Zta | where do I find debs when I need newer ones that those in testing? |
| 15:35.38 | greycat | celerons are 686 |
| 15:35.49 | greycat | Zta: unstable |
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| 15:35.55 | tarzeau | celerons are too slow |
| 15:36.00 | concept10 | greycat, thanks |
| 15:36.08 | doub | concept10: i think 586 is only pentium I and its derivatives |
| 15:36.18 | concept10 | Okay. |
| 15:36.19 | _Kaishi | hi all |
| 15:36.25 | Zta | greycat, I ment sites with downloads. |
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| 15:36.32 | Mark62756 | hey |
| 15:36.33 | concept10 | tarzeau, you have another processor for me? |
| 15:36.41 | Mark62756 | would anyone know why this would happen? http://pastebin.com/305227 |
| 15:36.42 | greycat | Zta: apt-get.org |
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| 15:36.53 | tarzeau | concept10: not really, you live in switzerland? |
| 15:36.58 | doub | tarzeau: too slow for what? making ice cream? |
| 15:37.08 | concept10 | tarzeau, I have a mailbox |
| 15:37.10 | douglas | Using a slave drive exclusively for swap -- good/bad idea? |
| 15:37.11 | tarzeau | doub: hey! you were here yesterday :) ? |
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| 15:37.18 | amaldo | tarzeau: I had a dual Celeron (Abit mobo), and it was a sweet box. (Great bang for the buck) |
| 15:37.30 | greycat | douglas: buying more RAM would be a better idea |
| 15:37.35 | doub | tarzeau: i don't think so. when was yesterday? ;) |
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| 15:37.53 | concept10 | tarzeau, no really.. im just putting a box together for my mom, ran out of pentium motherboards, i have 3 PIII 933s laying around here |
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| 15:38.07 | Zta | greycat, thanks. unstable uses same old gphoto2 as testing |
| 15:38.11 | dwflo | dondelelcaro: Are you there? |
| 15:38.29 | tarzeau | doub: i made a comment on something is best to make ice cream :) coincidence |
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| 15:38.44 | douglas | yeah and a new muffler for my whip but seriously, performance wise, does assigning one hard drive wand for swap purposes only and the other for everything else better than not doing that? |
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| 15:39.19 | douglas | ... if the hds are of equal rpm |
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| 15:40.24 | cmihai | douglas: RAID 0. |
| 15:40.30 | RedPenguin | Anyone know that kernel install link that tells you how to propely install a new kernel after installing Debian and initrd? |
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| 15:40.45 | RedPenguin | I know dpkg, had it, but I never used dpkg before to get the link |
| 15:40.49 | douglas | cmihai: got the hds, dont have money |
| 15:40.53 | douglas | or raid |
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| 15:40.57 | cmihai | Software RAID 0. |
| 15:41.00 | douglas | oh |
| 15:41.00 | cmihai | Works great. |
| 15:41.06 | douglas | i'll google that then |
| 15:41.08 | dwflo | part |
| 15:41.09 | cmihai | Yep. |
| 15:41.22 | cmihai | douglas: I get 150MB/s on my SATA RAID-0 array. |
| 15:41.30 | douglas | But is the question that I posed intriguing? |
| 15:41.40 | douglas | 150MBs?? not bad |
| 15:41.47 | cmihai | You can put it on both drives... |
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| 15:41.58 | cplx | I got 500mbs with IDE :S |
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| 15:42.02 | cmihai | But might as well just do RAID 0. You can do that just for the swap if you like. |
| 15:42.06 | cmihai | cplx: how many ? |
| 15:42.10 | cmatheson | cplx, no way |
| 15:42.12 | greycat | you realize that RAID-0 has *no* redundancy, yes? |
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| 15:42.20 | cmihai | greycat: for SWAP ? |
| 15:42.21 | greycat | that if you lose a single drive, all the data's *gone*... |
| 15:42.22 | cmihai | Really now. |
| 15:42.27 | cmihai | Right. |
| 15:42.32 | cmihai | All my swap will die. Boo hoo. |
| 15:42.46 | douglas | Does daisy chaining two hds onto one ide cable slow down the motherboard's communication with what would otherwise be a single drive? |
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| 15:43.16 | cmihai | Only do raid if they're on separate controllers / cables. |
| 15:43.29 | doub | douglas: if you use both at the same time, obviously yes |
| 15:43.38 | douglas | damn not an option.. maybe it's time to go to pricewatch |
| 15:43.44 | cmihai | cplx: please, share with us your 500MB/s secret. Or maybe you meant Mb/s. ?! |
| 15:44.03 | douglas | wait who said 500MBs |
| 15:44.14 | cmihai | 18:42 < cplx> I got 500mbs with IDE :S |
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| 15:44.27 | cmihai | Another one who tests with "hdparm -T" i guess... |
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| 15:44.46 | douglas | cplx if you ment MB you gotta be jiving |
| 15:44.54 | douglas | that's crazy silly fresh fast |
| 15:45.07 | douglas | s/ment/meant |
| 15:45.34 | cmihai | Sounds like bull shit. One disk does 50MB/s. Tops. |
| 15:45.34 | cplx | 938 MB in 2.00 seconds = 469.00 MB/sec |
| 15:45.36 | cplx | ? |
| 15:45.41 | cmihai | cplx: hdparm -T right ? |
| 15:45.45 | cmihai | Do -t next time. |
| 15:45.47 | cmatheson | cplx, no |
| 15:45.47 | x^equa|s1 | how can i pruge all removed packages? |
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| 15:45.56 | cmihai | -T just reads from the cache. |
| 15:46.00 | cplx | cmihai: -tT |
| 15:46.13 | douglas | 100K RPM drives ... shorter longevity than a more laid back drive? |
| 15:46.23 | cmihai | Well, do tell what -t gives. |
| 15:46.27 | cmihai | -T doesn't matter. |
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| 15:47.06 | douglas | i can process 30K lines of access.log with webalizer on my 1.5ghz box |
| 15:47.10 | douglas | badass |
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| 15:47.29 | cmihai | Size doesn't matter :P |
| 15:48.03 | greycat | !purge them all |
| 15:48.04 | dpkg | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge, or do not complain if this deletes config files you still need |
| 15:48.04 | tarzeau | says who? |
| 15:48.13 | greycat | that's suboptimal code. |
| 15:48.16 | x^equa|s1 | is there a way i pruge all removed packages? |
| 15:48.17 | cplx | Timing buffered disk reads: 483 MB in 3.00 seconds = 161.0 MB/sec |
| 15:48.21 | greycat | x^equa|s1: see above. |
| 15:48.25 | cplx | my bad. |
| 15:48.32 | cplx | wasn't quite tuned into the conversation |
| 15:48.37 | cmihai | What thee fuck do you have ?! |
| 15:48.38 | xydarcher | how to cancel the task of upgrade? when i upgrade the debian i meets the dependency error with dpkg_1.13.9 on unmet package, and i meet this every time i install packages, how to cancel it? |
| 15:48.53 | douglas | if i got two deb boxes on the same network, one web serving, to mount the hard drive of the other box for extra space do i have to use samba? |
| 15:48.57 | furrywolf | I get 166MB/sec... sounds about right for 133mhz ram. |
| 15:49.00 | cmihai | RAID0, right ? |
| 15:49.07 | cplx | indeed. |
| 15:49.07 | greycat | xydarcher: you chose unstable. you deal with it. |
| 15:49.08 | cmihai | lol :) |
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| 15:49.38 | x^equa|s1 | greycat: thanks |
| 15:49.46 | xydarcher | "E: Couldn't find package unmet" is reported. |
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| 15:50.00 | douglas | i know two thirds of you know the answer to my question ... |
| 15:50.00 | KursK | is there another important package which has to be installed except module-init-tools when switching from 2.4 to 2.6? |
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| 15:50.03 | amaldo | cplx: just to satisfy curiosity, how many drives? |
| 15:50.07 | boris | hello everyone |
| 15:50.16 | greycat | xydarcher: sounds funny to me :) |
| 15:50.17 | cmihai | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.17 | xydarcher | greycat: i just have a test, would it be done to get back to testing version? |
| 15:50.24 | boris | i wanted to install debian by net, using floppy discs |
| 15:50.27 | greycat | xydarcher: you can NEVER go back to testing now. |
| 15:50.43 | boris | i went here: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/floppy/ |
| 15:50.44 | greycat | xydarcher: you've already touch unstable. forever shall your computer be tainted by its fetid miasma, blah blah blah... |
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| 15:50.57 | Jacky^ | hi all |
| 15:51.00 | douglas | boris still rockin' the floppies. I still use a walkman |
| 15:51.06 | boris | so i will need 4 floppy discs.. i think - because i don't know what the /access/ folder is about |
| 15:51.17 | rbochan | boris: it can be done, I've done it many times with the older woody installer, but I haven't tried with the sarge installer |
| 15:51.26 | boris | douglas, i don't have any cd-roms left, and can't be bothered using them every time :D |
| 15:51.34 | greycat | I did one floppy sarge install. worked. |
| 15:51.42 | boris | rbochan: what about the /access/ folder? should i just ignore that? |
| 15:51.45 | xydarcher | greycat: ...would this task be canceled? |
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| 15:52.00 | douglas | i dont even have floppy drives |
| 15:52.01 | rbochan | boris: I used the floppy images off the debian woody ftp |
| 15:52.01 | greycat | xydarcher: you get to find out what you broke and fix it. by hand. tediously. welcome to unstable. |
| 15:52.14 | boris | oh ok |
| 15:52.22 | douglas | hang on boris i'll try to track it down for you |
| 15:52.23 | boris | basically floppy disc do work, yeah? :D |
| 15:52.25 | rbochan | I would imagine that there are sarge images too |
| 15:52.33 | boris | yes there are: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/floppy/ |
| 15:52.38 | boris | and there are 4 images |
| 15:52.39 | douglas | oh |
| 15:52.43 | douglas | well nevermind |
| 15:52.46 | rbochan | yes, I have a laptop with no cdrom that I used it on.. even got pcmcia working from them |
| 15:52.50 | greycat | I'd avoid "daily" unless you plan to test something beyond sarge. |
| 15:52.52 | boris | but the thing is i don't know if i will need to get anything from the access/ folder :D |
| 15:52.53 | Jacky^ | I' using Sid, i would like to install a package that is unstable (low), the package is Qemu 0.7.0-2 , is there a way ? |
| 15:52.59 | greycat | boris: NO. JUST FUCKING DO IT. OK? |
| 15:53.04 | greycat | GODS. |
| 15:53.11 | boris | ? |
| 15:53.23 | boris | o-ok... |
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| 15:53.54 | boris | .. |
| 15:54.02 | xydarcher | greycat: which file does this queue saved? |
| 15:54.07 | boris | anyway thanks for your help :) |
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| 15:54.10 | greycat | dpkg, install sarge =~ s#/debian-installer#/debian-installer/# |
| 15:54.10 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 15:54.29 | rbochan | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en |
| 15:54.31 | rbochan | d'oh |
| 15:54.57 | pattieja | greycat, figured it out |
| 15:55.19 | pattieja | greycat, the foldername variable was set to 'mail/' instead of being empty ('') |
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| 15:55.31 | pattieja | the upgrade apparently added that value back to that field |
| 15:55.35 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.35 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.35 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.39 | pattieja | since it wasn't there in the previous installation |
| 15:55.55 | greycat | 4.2.1 in the install guide, about 4 clicks in following the path of least resistance |
| 15:56.10 | rbochan | greycat: he bailed already |
| 15:56.33 | greycat | I shall NOT quote the manifest for you. You'll have to do *some* work yourself, dammit. |
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| 15:57.10 | greycat | of course he did. non-reading luser. |
| 15:57.14 | rbochan | heh |
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| 15:57.23 | xydarcher | bts said that #314575 is solved but dpkg_1.13.10 is not on the ftp.debian.org |
| 15:57.36 | rbochan | xydarcher: wait till tomorrow |
| 15:57.57 | greycat | !incoming |
| 15:57.58 | dpkg | it has been said that incoming is to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp), or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources#s-incoming-system |
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| 15:58.20 | greycat | what kind of unstable user doesn't know about incoming? |
| 15:58.28 | greycat | oh yeah. I forgot. The typical #debian one. |
| 15:58.53 | greycat | wanna bet he's not subscribed to d-d-a either? |
| 15:58.54 | xydarcher | the new to unstable |
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| 15:59.16 | bejoy | hello |
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| 15:59.27 | bejoy | i neeed some help. |
| 15:59.32 | xydarcher | i think everyone have their way to grown |
| 15:59.41 | bejoy | what is equivalent of service command in debian? |
| 15:59.49 | greycat | bejoy: /etc/init.d/foobar start |
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| 16:00.23 | netman1 | bejoy: in what os did you use "service command"? |
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| 16:00.33 | rbochan | RH |
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| 16:01.33 | netman1 | bejoy: general *nix is probably daemon, those are started through /etc/init.d/xyz |
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| 16:01.54 | greycat | netman1: red hat users didn't want to bother typing out "/etc/rc.d/init.d/foo" (why the fuck do they have that extra "rc.d" anyway?) so they made up a "service" command which is essentially just a shell function service() { /etc/rc.d/init.d/"$1" "$2"; } |
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| 16:03.06 | bejoy | netman1 to start stop daemon. |
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| 16:03.49 | netman1 | bejoy: /etc/init.d/daemon start|stop|restart |
| 16:03.51 | cmatheson | i'm trying to figure out my context switches/second from snmp (using the ssRawContexts.0 OID)... it just keeps a counter of how many cs have occured (instead of just keeping track of the current number of cs), how might i determine the real amount of cs per second (or at least an average)? |
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| 16:04.26 | cmatheson | right now i'm using the formula (cs2 - cs1)/300, but it's giving me unreasonable values (like 2884.43) |
| 16:04.27 | bejoy | netman1 i heard there is coomand invoke-rc.d |
| 16:04.38 | greycat | bejoy: that's intended for scripts. don't use it. |
| 16:04.41 | bejoy | but it is link to true. |
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| 16:05.19 | greycat | invoke-rc.d is a shell script, not a symlink |
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| 16:05.52 | saint | doub: hdparm -U didnt work:) |
| 16:06.00 | stouset | How do you build a deb from a source package? |
| 16:06.22 | greycat | stouset: debian/rules binary |
| 16:06.30 | greycat | stouset: /msg dpkg source |
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| 16:06.43 | stouset | greycat: Gotcha, thanks. Couldn't remember what the target was supposed to be. |
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| 16:07.20 | [2]far | Hello, what is the best tool to open autocad maps ? |
| 16:07.32 | netman1 | Who invented that anyway "debian/rules binary"? It's true ofcourse ;-) |
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| 16:08.59 | stouset | Haha, you know, I never though of it that way. |
| 16:09.13 | stouset | But, we should probably upgrade that for etch. |
| 16:09.25 | stouset | Maybe "debian/pwnz binary" |
| 16:09.58 | greycat | debian/rules j00 |
| 16:10.03 | saint | no 1337 is out |
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| 16:10.39 | Eulex | debian/melikes binary |
| 16:11.02 | saint | "/mehugs/debian ? |
| 16:11.15 | rbochan | stouset: have you checked out http://www.debian-administration.org ? |
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| 16:11.24 | rbochan | pretty decent, fairly new, site |
| 16:11.37 | doublehp | asg: I could not grab any base for chroot install ... and debootstrap is a .deb file ... wich only Debian can read ... |
| 16:11.54 | asg | doublehp: then unpack it with ar(1) |
| 16:11.54 | doublehp | asg: I just need a script, or an tgz ... |
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| 16:13.13 | greycat | !debootstrap |
| 16:13.14 | dpkg | debootstrap is probably <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install> |
| 16:13.15 | douglas | whois sep |
| 16:13.18 | douglas | woops |
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| 16:13.54 | douglas | sep: thanks for the network interfaces help last night, worked like a charm |
| 16:14.52 | doublehp | asg: on Gentoo: sbin/debootstrap: line 15: /usr/lib/debootstrap/functions: No such file or directory |
| 16:15.08 | doublehp | asg: in short, it assumes I am under Debian ... |
| 16:15.25 | Mark62756 | hey are there any packages that set the time to the correct time? like ntp or something? |
| 16:15.37 | rbochan | Mark62756: rdate can do that |
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| 16:15.50 | Mark62756 | ahh ok thanks |
| 16:15.51 | mtnman | ntpdate |
| 16:16.07 | Mark62756 | mtnman: do i have to install ntp and ntpd? |
| 16:16.12 | doublehp | Mark62756: ntp-client fixes the date now, but may break cron. Shall be run only once at boot time. |
| 16:16.24 | doublehp | Mark62756: then ntpd wail maintain it right |
| 16:16.24 | Mark62756 | ah hrm |
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| 16:16.30 | makakk | hi |
| 16:16.38 | mtnman | mark: yes, i think so. |
| 16:16.40 | Mark62756 | ok do i'll get ntpd |
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| 16:17.21 | asg | doublehp: get the source package and install it with the provided Makefile then. |
| 16:17.31 | paulswm | ntpd OR chrony, I prefer chrony personally |
| 16:17.37 | Mark62756 | =o |
| 16:17.49 | Mark62756 | eh already installed ntpd |
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| 16:17.57 | Mark62756 | w00t and it works pefrect :) |
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| 16:18.11 | Mark62756 | thanks guys |
| 16:18.19 | paulswm | Mark62756: both will work fine |
| 16:18.19 | me_here | exit |
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| 16:18.21 | me_here | ups |
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| 16:20.03 | Mark62756 | oops now everything that i was building has a clock time skew loll |
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| 16:20.45 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.02 | Pryon | no |
| 16:21.12 | douglas | ttysnoop aint what it used to be back in the day |
| 16:21.18 | archpollux | make-jpkg does not create alternatives, does it? |
| 16:21.19 | douglas | cant connect for shizzle. |
| 16:21.27 | stouset | archpollux: I believe it does. |
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| 16:21.36 | archpollux | stouset: hmm |
| 16:21.59 | Mark62756 | archpollux: haven't i seen you in #gameblender before? :o |
| 16:22.02 | archpollux | oh, ok, nevermind, i think i have them on manual |
| 16:22.05 | [2]far | Hello, what is the best tool to open, autocad maps (.dwg) ? |
| 16:22.12 | archpollux | Mark62756: haha, yes u did :) |
| 16:22.12 | [2]far | on linux |
| 16:22.20 | Pryon | od? |
| 16:22.22 | Mark62756 | archpollux: hehe good to know =D |
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| 16:22.48 | asg | doublehp: no, disable that in your X config (or use '{ startx & } ; exit' if you startx from the console -- it will log that console session out) |
| 16:23.11 | douglas | [2]far: maybe qcad? not sure |
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| 16:23.29 | [2]far | douglas: qcad... ok , will look into that thank oyu |
| 16:23.31 | [2]far | *you |
| 16:23.41 | douglas | ya' welcome |
| 16:24.11 | archpollux | stouset: perfect |
| 16:24.38 | capu | can anyone help me get k3b burning? |
| 16:24.54 | Aer | what is ur pb ? |
| 16:24.56 | asg | capu: #debian-kde might |
| 16:25.12 | douglas | capu just fire out the specific question |
| 16:25.19 | capu | no1 answers when i did :( |
| 16:25.21 | capu | but: |
| 16:25.21 | douglas | .. or go to that channel |
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| 16:25.38 | capu | trying to burn a dvd-iso of a movie, but i get the error "unable to GET EVENT: input output error" |
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| 16:25.53 | douglas | for example "when i try to do x on k3b, i get this error: y" |
| 16:26.01 | Delph | capu: get it working in cdrecord first, then use k3b. |
| 16:26.24 | capu | cdrecord? dont i need growisofs |
| 16:26.35 | douglas | yeah and install whatever those dependencies are for dvd handling |
| 16:26.36 | greycat | depends on what you're burning to. |
| 16:26.49 | capu | douglas, the depdnancies are met |
| 16:26.56 | capu | they have to be |
| 16:27.05 | douglas | dvds suck anyway |
| 16:27.08 | douglas | :) |
| 16:27.14 | capu | lol! im a movie freak |
| 16:27.29 | capu | so where should i start, in finding the problem? |
| 16:27.35 | douglas | so use svcd on cds |
| 16:27.35 | greycat | by giving details. |
| 16:27.47 | douglas | that is so badass a feeling, to get high quality movies onto single cds |
| 16:27.52 | douglas | that play in dvd players |
| 16:27.56 | capu | greycat, to your last question, im burning to dvd-r |
| 16:28.01 | greycat | e.g. "I am using debian ___ with kernel ___ and burning an .iso file onto a ____ media in a ____ drive using ____ command" |
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| 16:28.14 | greycat | DVD-R would be a great candidate for cdrecord. |
| 16:28.19 | Aer | if u want to burn an iso with cdrecord, try cdrecord -tao -dev=ATA:x,x,x -v {yourimage.iso} with x,x,x is the number find with cdrecord -dev=ATA -scanbus |
| 16:28.39 | greycat | Aer: driveropts=burnfree |
| 16:28.47 | capu | debian sid, latest kernel (cant remember version) burning an iso onto a dvd-r in a dvd-r compatable drive? lol using k3b |
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| 16:28.59 | greycat | capu: use cdrecord, as stated above. |
| 16:29.05 | greycat | don't *remember* the kernel version. find it out! |
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| 16:29.09 | greycat | !version |
| 16:29.09 | Aer | try with cdrecord |
| 16:29.10 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 16:29.15 | douglas | command line cdrecord = underrated |
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| 16:30.38 | capu | ok, well, thanks - i'll go try some of the stuff |
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| 16:33.34 | Gavrila | stated that ssh is insecure when publicly accessed, is it dangerous to have it accessible only in a local network (i.e. 192.168.X.X)? |
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| 16:33.59 | Gavrila | I mean are there many spread exploits to bother with such a setup? |
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| 16:35.47 | greycat | Gavrila: if it's "insecure", I'm sure the openssh developers would love to hear about that. |
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| 16:36.34 | itom | is planned an "original" debian-livecd? |
| 16:36.50 | itom | based on sarge |
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| 16:37.14 | Pryon | Well, it's insecure in that you can't trust the public machine not to have something like a keylogger. ssh is insecure in this way when you're using any untrusted machine. Not a problem with ssh itself, AFAIK. |
| 16:37.19 | greycat | I don't know. Are you planning one? |
| 16:37.19 | greycat | I'm not. |
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| 16:37.54 | greycat | Pryon: I think by "publically accessed" he means "sshd is listening on all interfaces including the one that faces the internet" |
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| 16:38.07 | Pryon | Ah. |
| 16:38.28 | Pryon | Well, if your machine is that attractive to the bad guys, IRC is not the best place to seek advice. |
| 16:38.54 | jharrisonwk | non-us does not work anymore? |
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| 16:39.03 | asg | !topicsmite jharrisonwk |
| 16:39.04 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon jharrisonwk. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 16:39.19 | stouset | Sorry for more source building questions. However, I want to package a new upstream version of a file for myself. I downloaded the tarball, and I want to apply the Debian-specific diff as a patch to it. Is this possible? =\ |
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| 16:39.44 | quitte | stouset: yes - just do it |
| 16:39.44 | Choubaka | it might work. |
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| 16:40.02 | stouset | quitte: I tried patch -p0 directory/ patchfile.diff |
| 16:40.09 | stouset | Said it couldn't patch to a directory =\ |
| 16:40.19 | quitte | stouset: try reading the manpage then |
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| 16:40.29 | jharrisonwk | asg: where does topic say about non-us |
| 16:40.32 | stouset | I did. Didn't give me any info on patching to a directory. |
| 16:40.37 | Gavrila | greycat: exactly. I say so, since I've heard about a lot of people having their ssh busted |
| 16:40.48 | malex | What are people using to transfer audio files and images to a GSM phone through usb? I'm using kmobiletools to get the addressbook and sms moving to and from the phone, but it has no file transfer capability. |
| 16:40.50 | stouset | jharrisonwk: Where it says, and I quote, "non-us is no more" |
| 16:40.52 | quitte | stouset: change to the dir and use p1 |
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| 16:41.00 | jharrisonwk | stouset: ah yes |
| 16:41.06 | jharrisonwk | stouset: im blind as a bat |
| 16:41.07 | greycat | Gavrila: "busted" how? by having weak passwords? |
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| 16:41.18 | Gavrila | greycat: really I dunno |
| 16:41.27 | asg | jharrisonwk: the last part of the topic which nobody ever reads. |
| 16:41.55 | stouset | quitte: "File . is not a regular file -- can't patch" |
| 16:41.59 | Gavrila | I just don't want to have problems, and I thought that having sshd listening only to lan interfaces could probably limit the th threats and the risks |
| 16:42.06 | jharrisonwk | asg: yeah |
| 16:42.14 | Gavrila | do you think that it's correct? |
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| 16:42.19 | quitte | stouset: patch -p1<patch |
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| 16:42.34 | stouset | Gotcha, thanks. That did it. |
| 16:42.40 | stouset | Sorry, not too familiar with diff/patch =\ |
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| 16:42.57 | greycat | Gavrila: if you feel paranoid, then take whatever actions work for you. make sshd not run, or not listen on the public interface, or firewall it by IP range, or have it not accept password authentication (keys only), etc. |
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| 16:43.45 | asg | Gavrila: you could even look at port-knocking as another method of, albeit, obfuscated security. |
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| 16:44.12 | asg | Gavrila: or the ultimate, just use OTP |
| 16:44.34 | Gavrila | ok let's make it short. I'm a typical home user, with an home network. Will opening a sshd on local interfaces bring me problems? :) |
| 16:44.46 | Gavrila | In your opinion obviously |
| 16:44.49 | asg | Gavrila: not unless your spouse is a leet haxor |
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| 16:45.07 | jharrisonwk | Gavrila: or write a fake ssh to listen on port 22 and log people's passwords that try to log in |
| 16:45.08 | Gavrila | asg: heeheh no I'm safe that way :D |
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| 16:46.01 | greycat | jharrisonwk: every 10th login, give them a "$ " prompt that doesn't do anything but log their commands :) |
| 16:46.10 | jharrisonwk | greycat: yeah :) |
| 16:46.25 | _Kaishi | hi all |
| 16:46.27 | stouset | greycat: hahaha |
| 16:46.32 | stouset | greycat: I'm going to write that daemon... |
| 16:47.02 | asg | Gavrila: if you have no reason to access your system from the cloud via ssh, then obviously, don't have it listen. If you do, then take appropriate measures to secure it (see advice above) |
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| 16:47.29 | Gavrila | the cloud? |
| 16:47.36 | asg | cloud == Intraweb |
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| 16:47.44 | Gavrila | asg: ah I see :) |
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| 16:48.30 | jaybar | remote login just restarts x and puts me to local login.. changed kdm n xaccess but cant figure it out |
| 16:48.36 | Gavrila | asg: well it would be pleasant thing for me to access my main pc from any other pc in the house (mobile included) |
| 16:48.51 | greycat | Gavrila: quite. |
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| 16:49.04 | asg | Gavrila: then do so. |
| 16:49.17 | Gavrila | ok thank you all for the advices :) |
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| 16:49.40 | resiak | Argh! Gnome is as retarded as Windows! Why would ANYONE want keymap to be per-application? Grrrrrrrr. Unless someone wants to give me a good reason? |
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| 16:50.15 | azeem | resiak: just randomly ranting won't lead nowhere |
| 16:50.35 | resiak | azeem: I'm about to go speak with the Gnome people, actually :) |
| 16:50.43 | smallmatch | ? |
| 16:51.09 | smallmatch | what would you say? |
| 16:51.17 | armandojnc | hi a question for missing top in any window manager |
| 16:51.39 | armandojnc | how can i fix that |
| 16:51.45 | smallmatch | ^_^ |
| 16:51.48 | greycat | hi a request for you to make sense and give details |
| 16:52.08 | armandojnc | i installed woody |
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| 16:52.23 | armandojnc | i selected kde |
| 16:52.28 | armandojnc | and gnome |
| 16:52.32 | smallmatch | detail....um..($$$) |
| 16:52.37 | armandojnc | everytime they start |
| 16:52.44 | azeem | what is 'missing top'? |
| 16:52.59 | PeTeRB | !tell armandojnc about enter |
| 16:53.03 | greycat | and learn how to put your entire question on one line... |
| 16:53.04 | asg | azeem: probably code for 'I can't figure out the Enter key' |
| 16:53.06 | armandojnc | the top edge stays gray |
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| 16:53.21 | greycat | the top edge of what? |
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| 16:53.37 | armandojnc | the bottom edege "wraps" and hides the kde menu, buttons " |
| 16:53.50 | armandojnc | from the screen |
| 16:53.52 | smallmatch | hehehhehehhehhehehehehehehe |
| 16:53.58 | Gnea | heh, kde... |
| 16:54.03 | quitte | sounds like no wm to me |
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| 16:54.04 | jim | Why did they have to call it an enter key anyway?? we're not going into anything when pushing it... |
| 16:54.06 | greycat | does the whole screen move when your mouse approaches the edges? |
| 16:54.06 | azeem | armandojnc: your monitor might be mal-adjusted |
| 16:54.08 | resiak | Heh, Woody. |
| 16:54.09 | smallmatch | (or strange button) |
| 16:54.16 | rengel_ | !face rengel_ |
| 16:54.18 | armandojnc | like an inch and a half of a monitor |
| 16:54.29 | greycat | probably woody's X server doesn't like his video hardware |
| 16:54.36 | Pryon | jim: because people who'd never used a typewriter were confused by the 'return' |
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| 16:54.52 | Gnea | hrm, i should update to today's e17 just for the heck of it |
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| 16:55.08 | armandojnc | its an HP original |
| 16:55.15 | greycat | armandojnc: why did you choose woody instead of the stable release (sarge, 3.1)? |
| 16:55.25 | smallmatch | e17? |
| 16:55.26 | armandojnc | it had the windows 98 but i erased all that |
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| 16:55.46 | armandojnc | because i dowloaded that some months ago |
| 16:56.02 | greycat | armandojnc: what video card is in it? |
| 16:56.06 | armandojnc | and i could get it right until 2 days ago |
| 16:56.07 | Pryon | Damn. You got behind a stable release of debian? That's quite a feat. |
| 16:56.08 | jim | slow download speed? |
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| 16:56.21 | armandojnc | it could even get the xserver running |
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| 16:56.43 | armandojnc | but you know what it is fast as hell |
| 16:56.45 | resiak | armandojnc: Seriously, just get Sarge. |
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| 16:57.02 | smallmatch | I find 98 in garbage |
| 16:57.09 | armandojnc | it opens any app very very quicly |
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| 16:57.20 | asg | smallmatch: you need to throw out your garbage more often. |
| 16:57.24 | armandojnc | but with a missing top screen |
| 16:57.39 | marcot | Hello, I'm trying to make a deboostrap in sid, but when I'm trying to install debconf it says:] |
| 16:57.43 | stew | !tell armandojnc about enter |
| 16:57.45 | goldfish_ | harsha |
| 16:57.47 | armandojnc | do you recommend the to get sarge |
| 16:57.49 | marcot | whiptail: error while loading shared libraries: libslang.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:57.52 | asg | armandojnc: yes |
| 16:57.54 | smallmatch | the other people's garbage |
| 16:58.01 | marcot | I can't find libslang.so.2 in sid. |
| 16:58.01 | Pryon | armandojnc: go to www.debian.org and click on "getting debian" |
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| 16:58.05 | asg | marcot: debootstrap is broken in sid |
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| 16:58.12 | smallmatch | it's my job |
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| 16:58.13 | stew | marcot: check the bts, i think debootstrap is changing rapidly these days |
| 16:58.20 | armandojnc | ok |
| 16:58.23 | asg | marcot: /msg dpkg bts. |
| 16:58.36 | marcot | stew: I'm using sarge debootstrap |
| 16:58.40 | marcot | Not the sid one. |
| 16:58.48 | marcot | But I see. |
| 16:58.50 | asg | marcot: to install a broken sid. |
| 16:58.59 | marcot | asg: ok, thanks. |
| 16:59.02 | asg | marcot: just debootstrap sarge and dist-upgrade (probably get further) |
| 16:59.04 | marcot | stew: thanks. |
| 16:59.10 | marcot | asg: I'll try this. |
| 16:59.22 | smallmatch | aye... |
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| 17:00.29 | jaybar | anyone using kdm remote login? |
| 17:00.45 | rob_lt | !poll |
| 17:00.45 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 17:01.20 | jaybar | oops |
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| 17:01.37 | jaybar | naughty me |
| 17:01.40 | jaybar | sorry |
| 17:01.51 | quitte | !tell jaybar about enter |
| 17:02.04 | greycat | !ask |
| 17:02.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 17:02.54 | rengel_ | !poll rengel |
| 17:02.58 | rengel_ | !poll rengel_ |
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| 17:05.04 | armandojnc | soory about enter i just wanted to fix the xserver on my machine, at the time i dowloaded woody was the stable version, plus my machine is a celeron mendocino 500 mhz 512 cache with a 8Gb hd and i have installed knoppix qith the new debian and it was very slow |
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| 17:05.50 | jaybar | kdm s remote login shows my two hosts but wont log me into my other puter. im stuck. |
| 17:05.53 | quitte | armandojnc: that doesn't mean sarge is slow. |
| 17:06.01 | hmakholm | Which is the correct stock kernel flavour for Pentium M processors? -386 or -686? |
| 17:06.09 | stew | hmakholm: -686 |
| 17:06.20 | hmakholm | stew: Thanks. |
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| 17:07.51 | armandojnc | i think i will get sarge then i tell you later how it went |
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| 17:08.40 | quitte | jm_ are you still using potato? |
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| 17:08.51 | molotok | im using SARGE, and in my sources.lists file i have sarge, when i try to apt-get upgrade theres no new packages available |
| 17:08.55 | molotok | for several days now |
| 17:08.57 | molotok | maybe aweek |
| 17:09.00 | resiak | molotok: Go figure |
| 17:09.02 | resiak | SARGE IS STABLE |
| 17:09.08 | molotok | should i put "stable" in sources.list? |
| 17:09.13 | ufoalien | mbirkis: sarge is stable now!!!! |
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| 17:09.18 | ufoalien | dumb ;) |
| 17:09.41 | molotok | are you saying that stable doesnt have any upgrades ever? |
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| 17:09.47 | asker | hi.. |
| 17:09.49 | stew | molotok: only security fixes |
| 17:09.53 | quitte | molotok: only security update |
| 17:09.54 | resiak | molotok: It makes no difference. There will be very few updates for Sarge: only security fixes are allowed. That's the WHOLE POINT |
| 17:09.56 | molotok | ok thanks |
| 17:09.59 | resiak | :) |
| 17:10.02 | asker | how can i send all files in a local directory to remote ftp address ? |
| 17:10.10 | asker | i tried mput but i couldn't send |
| 17:10.24 | stew | asker: why couldn't you? |
| 17:10.28 | resiak | asker: lftp is said to be good. |
| 17:10.46 | hmakholm | molotok: change to "stable" if you want to continue living with the frequent updates you knew from before. |
| 17:10.58 | resiak | hmakholm: You mean "testing" |
| 17:10.58 | stew | hmakholm: huh? |
| 17:11.07 | resiak | molotok: hmakholm means "testing" |
| 17:11.10 | hmakholm | Yes, I mean "testing". |
| 17:11.18 | xuxa | I am trying my hand at software RAID using the Sarge netinstall cdrom. I'm a bit confused. I have two, identical ide drives that I have each partitioned into four parts, eventually for /, /boot, /var, and swap. Using the debian installer "partition disks" utility, I created four partitions of the proper sizes on each of the disks and set the filesystem type to "physical volume for RAID". I then entered the "Configure Software RAID" secti |
| 17:11.18 | xuxa | on and paired up the proper partitions on the two disks. That gave me RAID1 devices listed in my disk partition screen. From there I was able to assign each of the RAID 1 devices a partition type (ext3 or swap) and a mount point (/, /var, etc). Here's my problem. When I select "RAID1 device #1 - 8.1MB Software RAID Device" to get it set up as the /boot partition, nothing seems to happen. I can't assign it a partition type and mount poin |
| 17:11.19 | xuxa | t like i could the other partitions. Any ideas what I'm doing incorrectly? |
| 17:11.19 | resiak | Yes, you do! |
| 17:11.25 | xuxa | oh my gosh that was long. Sorry everyone |
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| 17:11.49 | ufoalien | hi faked |
| 17:11.55 | ufoalien | faked: does nvidia ork now? |
| 17:11.55 | paulswm | !beat xuxa |
| 17:12.01 | paulswm | :) |
| 17:12.01 | faked | hi ufoalien! |
| 17:12.02 | quitte | xuxa use the raid partitioner first |
| 17:12.19 | faked | ufoalien: nvidia-binary works, but my dvi-output doesn't |
| 17:12.24 | xuxa | quitte: you mean the "Configure software RAID" tool? |
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| 17:12.32 | quitte | xuxa yes. |
| 17:12.36 | faked | ufoalien: do I have to configure something for dvi in XF86Config-4? |
| 17:12.42 | quitte | xuxa: well i just read the first few lines |
| 17:12.48 | ufoalien | faked: maybe you have to configure your xfree-config file |
| 17:12.52 | xuxa | quitte: I've done that, I think. because RAID Devices 0,1,2 and 3 show up properly |
| 17:12.54 | ufoalien | faked: exactly ;) |
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| 17:13.10 | faked | ufoalien: do know what to modify there? |
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| 17:13.43 | quitte | xuxa dont make /boot a raid volume. |
| 17:13.46 | jim | xuxa: hithere... :) |
| 17:13.59 | xuxa | quitte: I see.. |
| 17:14.02 | xuxa | jim: hiya! |
| 17:14.37 | LuSiD | Anyone have a recommended method of getting Java/JSP installed on a Debian box? |
| 17:14.40 | xuxa | quitte: I'm trying to set up a server with raid 1 so that if a drive fails, I can simply replace it |
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| 17:14.51 | ufoalien | faked: Hm. no, sry I haven't got any DVI output |
| 17:14.54 | gaw_ | I install a apache2.deb package. Where could I find the document root? |
| 17:14.58 | xuxa | quitte: but I should just make /boot partitions on each disk but then not raid them together? |
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| 17:15.19 | resiak | gaw_: Why didn't you just install the apache2 package that's in Debian? |
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| 17:15.29 | philips | I am trying to use the Debian Sarge installer to install to a USB hard drive, but there doesn't seem to be an obvious way of changing the target disk, is there something I am missing? |
| 17:15.39 | nunez | When I try to mount my NTFS /dev/sda1, it says its busy, which is not true? |
| 17:15.44 | faked | ufoalien: ok, np, thx for help |
| 17:15.47 | quitte | xuxa it should work to have /boot on a mirroring raid - but it seems the d-i is making problems with /boot. i couldnt reiserfs format it in my lvm setup. |
| 17:16.04 | xuxa | quitte: I see. Hrm... |
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| 17:16.15 | xuxa | quitte: could it be that this partition is too small? It's only 8mb |
| 17:16.18 | quitte | xuxa: so maybe make another raid partition that you can use as boot later and use a normal partition in the meantime |
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| 17:16.22 | diegows | hello |
| 17:16.28 | diegows | somebody use debmirror? |
| 17:16.33 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 17:16.33 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:16.47 | ufoalien | faked: have you something like Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP, CRT" in the file? |
| 17:16.47 | quitte | xuxa: i dont think so |
| 17:16.49 | xuxa | resiak: hehe |
| 17:17.04 | xuxa | quitte: or perhaps I've done something wrong with logical vs. primary partitions? |
| 17:17.18 | asanjuan | i am a conviced of de gnu software but i have tried to install debian and i think i can. but the graphical interface was never installed. I have to install fc3. some body knows if the installation in the new version of debian are more esay to use? |
| 17:17.22 | gaw_ | resiak: I didn't understand. I've installed the apache2 with apt-get, it is wrong? |
| 17:17.28 | faked | ufoalien: no, I haven't |
| 17:17.32 | resiak | asanjuan: Yes, it's easier. |
| 17:17.44 | LuSiD | So I'm guessing there still isn't a clean-cut method of getting Java and JSP to run on a Debian box? |
| 17:17.52 | resiak | gaw_: Oh, sorry, I thought you did something else. Sorry. /var/www ? |
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| 17:17.57 | ufoalien | faked: I think I found it -> query |
| 17:17.57 | asanjuan | ok i will install it ina power edge |
| 17:17.59 | resiak | LuSiD: /msg dpkg java |
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| 17:18.05 | LuSiD | resiak: Thanks |
| 17:18.14 | resiak | !topicsmite LuSiD |
| 17:18.15 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon LuSiD. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:18.21 | quitte | xuxa: id start again and try to make everything right. if it still fails find some way around. |
| 17:18.32 | Delph | LuSiD: you install it, you run it. |
| 17:18.35 | xuxa | quitte: gotcha. Thank you for the advice! |
| 17:18.39 | LuSiD | Funny, I see nothing in the topic about installing java. |
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| 17:18.53 | resiak | LuSiD: | Java -> /msg dpkg java | |
| 17:18.54 | gaw_ | resiak: thx. I'm migrating from SuSE to debian. therefore.... |
| 17:18.54 | LuSiD | But thanks anyway resiak for the help and the sarcasm. |
| 17:18.57 | Delph | LuSiD: please read it again =:) |
| 17:19.12 | Delph | LuSiD: install java. get tomcat. unpack tomcat. run tomcat. |
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| 17:19.17 | resiak | LuSiD: Any time you want sarcasm, come right this way. |
| 17:19.19 | LuSiD | Ahhhh, I am lame. It is there. lol |
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| 17:19.26 | Delph | replace 'tomcat' with whichever JSP engine you want. |
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| 17:19.45 | LuSiD | lol, thanks everyone. I apologize for the ignorance :) |
| 17:20.47 | gaw_ | resiak: Great, I've got it. |
| 17:20.53 | resiak | Ignorance is fine; not reading isn't. ;-) |
| 17:21.03 | resiak | gaw_: Ace. |
| 17:21.06 | Ruri | hello.. I have one question... how can i add my zip unit (in a debian)??? |
| 17:21.22 | asg | zip unit? |
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| 17:21.54 | _solar_ | zip drive? |
| 17:22.24 | LuSiD | It requires ignorance to miss something so obvious, considering I DID read the topic and actually DID msg dpkg about crypto when I first came in. :) |
| 17:22.32 | gaw_ | resiak: the migration process is just finished now I can write a how-to: from SuSE 9.1 to debian 3.1 |
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| 17:22.51 | nunez | When I try to mount my NTFS /dev/sda1, it says its busy, which is not true? |
| 17:22.58 | resiak | gaw_: Do eeet! |
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| 17:23.15 | quitte | gaw_: i can,too. in a sentence: insert d-i cd. |
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| 17:23.46 | asg | Ruri: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/ZIP-Drive.html |
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| 17:25.31 | gaw_ | quitte: you're right excepting the cvs compilation of a wireless card, the XF86Config-Installation, and a reorganisation of some bootscripts |
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| 17:26.16 | mariajos | tas en un centro guadalinfo |
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| 17:26.25 | resiak | !es |
| 17:26.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:26.41 | mariajos | hola de donde eres |
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| 17:26.56 | quitte | gaw_: i see the point with the wlan card - but the x configuration of debian works very good and i dont see any need to change its bootscripts |
| 17:27.03 | Frostbite | I'm trying to build a two machine load balanced cluster for redundancy and I want emails/web server dirs to be mirrored across both machines. The 2nd machine should take over in case of failure. Is coda a good use for this or would you use something else? The networked fs stream must be encrypted - IPSEC? SSH? |
| 17:27.10 | lur | hello |
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| 17:27.40 | mariajos | por k no me hablas en español |
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| 17:27.47 | asg | Frostbite: do they have to be mirrored in realtime or is some delay acceptable? |
| 17:27.55 | Eulex | !es |
| 17:27.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:28.08 | mariajos | el k odioma habñas |
| 17:28.11 | asg | mariajos: /j #debian-es, no hablamos español aqui |
| 17:28.13 | Frostbite | asg, realtime. I host shopping carts and email accounts. |
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| 17:28.19 | mariajos | aqui k |
| 17:28.44 | Frostbite | asg: I'm looking at using heartbeat and some other stuff for the cluster and mysql-cluster for the db |
| 17:28.57 | mariajos | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.02 | greycat | !es |
| 17:29.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:29.04 | concept10 | Is it common for wireless cards to require a driver and firmware? |
| 17:29.05 | asg | Frostbite: that's tough. NFS is usually what is used to share fs data. |
| 17:29.11 | greycat | concept10: yes |
| 17:29.24 | mariajos | de donde eres |
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| 17:29.37 | greycat | mariajos: /j #debian-es |
| 17:29.41 | Frostbite | asg, but if the nfs server goes down then the redundancy is useless. coda would do it, if I could encrypt it. Do you know if it'd run over vpn? |
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| 17:30.19 | asg | Frostbite: that I don't know. |
| 17:30.24 | stew | Frostbite: have you or anyone you know ever had coda actually running? |
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| 17:30.37 | Frostbite | stew, no |
| 17:30.42 | lur | anyone know how to get sound working on sarge? |
| 17:30.47 | yuggly | Is it also common for wireless cards to fail to recieve an IP address via dhcp? |
| 17:30.49 | asg | lur: /msg dpkg audio |
| 17:31.02 | asg | yuggly: misconfigured ones and unsupported ones do that all the time |
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| 17:31.19 | concept10 | greycat, I can understand that my wireless router requires firmware but a wireless card? all of that should be in the driver. Im setting up a wireless card (D-link 520) and a page I was reading was calling for install of firmware after the driver |
| 17:31.19 | lur | I am not on woody |
| 17:31.20 | Frostbite | stew, I've done quite a bit of reading and I'm going to have a go at prototyping on the lan, unless you can think of a better option? |
| 17:31.30 | gaw_ | quitte: not with a ati radeon, after making some attemps. I tried to copy the old XF86Config File, and it works. |
| 17:31.48 | yuggly | it faILS IN ONE PROFILE BUT WORKS IN ANOTHER |
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| 17:32.15 | Frostbite | stew/asg: basically I want a realtime mirror that will resync after a host goes down |
| 17:32.24 | greycat | concept10: the separation of "firmware" (binary data) from "driver" (code, could be open source or proprietary) is required due to the way companies (refuse to) release information these days. |
| 17:32.27 | stew | Frostbite: i'm just not sure if coda is even really maintained, last time i looked i couldn't find any recent info about code |
| 17:32.31 | stew | coda* |
| 17:32.35 | Rama | Would anyone happen to have some expertise with X11 vs wireless mice ? |
| 17:32.36 | rasjark | hi all |
| 17:32.41 | Stevie[FP] | eh |
| 17:32.44 | Stevie[FP] | i have two NICs on the same network |
| 17:32.46 | greycat | concept10: if you don't like it, complain to your hardware vendor. OpenBSD users have been doing that with some success. |
| 17:32.47 | asg | Frostbite: you might look at coraid.com for possible solutions to the FS problem. |
| 17:32.51 | Rama | the (dreaded) Labtec ones, to be precise... |
| 17:32.57 | Stevie[FP] | how do I tweak my routing tables to choose one NIC over the other ? |
| 17:33.08 | rasjark | does anyone can tell me if there is a french channel on this debian irc server ? |
| 17:33.13 | Frostbite | stew/asg: I basically need a realtime mirror. I'm load balancing between two web servers |
| 17:33.14 | asg | !fr |
| 17:33.14 | Stevie[FP] | i guess I could down the one |
| 17:33.15 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 17:33.15 | greycat | you can't have two NICs on the same network in any sane configuration |
| 17:33.20 | Frostbite | stew/asg, so replication |
| 17:33.31 | stew | Frostbite: have you looked at multimaster scsi? |
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| 17:33.41 | Eulex | concept10, my wireless card requires firmware |
| 17:33.41 | sewi | anybody has built a deb package from cvs? |
| 17:33.53 | Rama | rasjark: debianfr |
| 17:33.53 | Frostbite | stew, http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/news.html |
| 17:34.00 | greycat | sewi: what's your *actual* question? |
| 17:34.03 | asg | sewi: that's rather vague, can you be more specific |
| 17:34.06 | Frostbite | stew: it's under active development, unlike intermezzo |
| 17:34.14 | stew | Frostbite: ahh ok, cool |
| 17:34.17 | rasjark | oh ok rama :) |
| 17:34.22 | concept10 | greycat, Thanks you trying to understand that. some open source stuff I dont trust entirely from random sources |
| 17:34.35 | asg | Frostbite: is it as hideous to configure and use as their other code? |
| 17:34.39 | concept10 | Eulex, which card do you use? |
| 17:34.39 | Frostbite | stew, it's going to be run on two ded servers, so needs to be encrypted and need no additional stuff |
| 17:34.51 | sewi | I want to build my own gnuplot from cvs and I don't know what steps should I take |
| 17:34.56 | Eulex | concept10, an intel pro/wireless 2915 |
| 17:35.01 | lur | I messeged dpkg for audio help, but I am not using woody |
| 17:35.03 | Frostbite | asg, from the tutorial it looks ok |
| 17:35.08 | asg | Frostbite: ah okay. |
| 17:35.09 | concept10 | greycat, Im going to call D-Link and demand installation instuctions for Debian |
| 17:35.16 | gaw_ | quitte: But last not least debian looks like not so clutterd under the guis, I like it. |
| 17:35.22 | lur | good luck concept10 |
| 17:35.33 | Eulex | you'll need it ;) |
| 17:35.40 | stew | Frostbite: i have worked with the HA stuff and LVS stuff and it was very painless and effective |
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| 17:35.44 | concept10 | lur, I feel like cursing out a tech support rep today |
| 17:35.49 | lur | lol |
| 17:35.50 | greycat | sewi: take the existing debianized source. make a diff from whatever upstream version of gnuplot the debianized sources uses to your CVS snapshot. Try applying that diff to the debianized sources. Good luck. |
| 17:35.55 | lur | I got linksys working on a debian rig |
| 17:35.56 | Eulex | haha |
| 17:36.01 | lur | but now it freezes up constantly... |
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| 17:36.19 | Eulex | concept10, what card is it? what chipset does it have? |
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| 17:36.43 | Frostbite | stew, how did you handle fs replication? |
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| 17:36.52 | lur | let's see who has the lowest specs |
| 17:36.56 | Frostbite | stew, the lvs stuff looks easy |
| 17:36.56 | stew | Frostbite: i didn't have to in this case it was all stateless |
| 17:37.03 | concept10 | Companies are squeeeeeeeezing open source. They take what they want and don't give back. RELEASE DRIVERS FOR YOUR SHIT |
| 17:37.10 | sewi | greycat, thanks:) |
| 17:37.10 | concept10 | oh sorry |
| 17:37.11 | lur | amen! |
| 17:37.24 | stew | sewi: you also may want to /msg dpkg mg |
| 17:37.26 | asg | concept10: that will probably not help the situation at all |
| 17:37.39 | GooZ | Away: ( leyendo ) | Since: ( Tue Jun 28 19:32:50 2005 ) Xlack v1.8-pre2. |
| 17:37.46 | asg | GooZ: turn that off. Thanks. |
| 17:37.47 | Frostbite | stew, do you have any experience of vpn? would something like coda run over ipsec? |
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| 17:37.58 | greycat | we don't want their drivers. we want their *documentation* so we can write drivers. |
| 17:38.05 | concept10 | Eulex, Dlink 520 with some prism 2.5 or some chipset cant remember |
| 17:38.18 | lur | use ndiswrapper |
| 17:38.21 | stew | Frostbite: vpn's operate at the transport layer, coda shouldn't know the difference |
| 17:38.31 | greycat | DON'T use ndiswrapper |
| 17:38.43 | greycat | not only is it x86 only, but it just perpetuates the status quo |
| 17:38.46 | lur | why not> |
| 17:38.47 | ufoalien | ndiswrapper is bad |
| 17:38.47 | GooZ | asg sorry !!! |
| 17:38.48 | concept10 | anyone have skypeout? |
| 17:38.55 | ufoalien | ipw2200 rockz |
| 17:39.02 | Eulex | concept10, prism should be supported, if it ain't an usb card |
| 17:39.04 | lur | what's wrong with ndis? |
| 17:39.07 | deadf1zh | what are ndiswrapper and sid? |
| 17:39.09 | Frostbite | stew, if coda 'dpes what ot says on the tin' and I stream it over ipsec, would you class that as secure if it's running over a datacenter network? |
| 17:39.13 | Frostbite | *does |
| 17:39.17 | deadf1zh | !ndiswrapper |
| 17:39.18 | deadf1zh | !sid |
| 17:39.18 | dpkg | ndiswrapper is, like, a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 17:39.19 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 17:39.21 | sewi | stew, I know the mg, but I couldn't see a way to apply it for cvs repositories |
| 17:39.33 | concept10 | lets all get on skype and call some of these companies and start demanding support |
| 17:39.39 | stew | Frostbite: yes |
| 17:39.46 | lur | my card has no linux driver |
| 17:40.19 | Frostbite | stew, how secure is ipsec? |
| 17:40.43 | cahoot | concept10: don't think it would be slightly ironic demanding opensing of source from a closed source app? |
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| 17:41.17 | concept10 | cahoot, hell ummm... no |
| 17:41.28 | EdibleText | Frostbite, it would be more reasonable to comprimise the box then to attempt to decrypt ipsec |
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| 17:42.09 | Frostbite | EdibleText, is it commonly used for communication between servers in a 3rd party datacenter? |
| 17:42.11 | concept10 | cahoot, you have to demand what you want in life, if you want it (at least thats what I do) |
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| 17:43.41 | EdibleText | Frostbite, I dont now if it is common in that specific scenario, but it certainly a secure way to tranfer data between two servers |
| 17:44.06 | resiak | concept10: Why not use an open-source VoIP thing? |
| 17:44.35 | Frostbite | EdibleText, would you stream something like coda over it? Is the performance reasonable over 100mbit? |
| 17:44.52 | concept10 | resiak, I didnt say not to use it. I was saying lets all get a conference going on skype and call some companies up |
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| 17:46.21 | resiak | concept10: ...Skype is closed source. This is the point cahoot's making. :) |
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| 17:47.11 | concept10 | resiak, oh okay, I see what you were talking about. oh yes, the irony... :) |
| 17:47.18 | EdibleText | Frostbite, if coda proved to be a reliable tool and I needed it I would use it with IPSEC . I currently use unison (rsync) to achieve something similar. but my problem is latency and low bandwidth so a tool rsync is more appropriate. on a 100mbit network a network fs may be reasonable, i would think |
| 17:47.34 | resiak | concept10: Yes. |
| 17:47.49 | concept10 | resiak, open source skype alternative? |
| 17:48.01 | concept10 | would be called...? |
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| 17:48.33 | Frostbite | EdibleText, is unison realtime? |
| 17:48.47 | EdibleText | Frostbite, no.. |
| 17:49.06 | resiak | concept10: *shrug* ;) |
| 17:49.17 | Frostbite | EdibleText, what sort of overhead could I expect from ipsec? |
| 17:49.18 | EdibleText | Frostbite, thats one of its strengths |
| 17:49.22 | concept10 | Anyone going to see war of the worlds? |
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| 17:49.44 | PeTeRB | ls |
| 17:49.44 | Frostbite | EdibleText, it depends on it's usage. If it's backup then I'd use rdiff-backup |
| 17:50.03 | asg | concept10: better to listen to the original radio recording. |
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| 17:50.49 | mfrisch | synched in ten sec...hhm |
| 17:51.08 | EdibleText | Frostbite, the vpn boxes are 486s with 64MB of ram. I use 2048bit DES and have about 16 networks connected. there is negligible overhead |
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| 17:51.36 | diegueus9 | Hello |
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| 17:52.05 | tarzeau | diegueus9: how to spell your name? |
| 17:52.19 | mfrisch | if I dpkg-reconfigure postfix will spamassassin and amavis still work??? |
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| 17:54.00 | Frostbite | EdibleText, one last question - why 2048bit DES? Wouldn't 1024/1536 be plenty? |
| 17:54.13 | douglas | my hard drive was sort of exposed to way to much g force .. what might i use to scan for physical errors and hopefully fix them? |
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| 17:54.39 | Frostbite | douglas, 'g force'? you took it on a rollercoaster? ;P |
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| 17:55.03 | douglas | kinda fell off the uneven stack of my boxes |
| 17:55.07 | douglas | lil bit |
| 17:55.09 | amaldo | douglas: search for such applications directly from the manufacturer of the hard drive. It's your best bet. I would also suggest backing up whatever data is still accesible. |
| 17:55.31 | douglas | there's no "scandisk" like app? |
| 17:55.41 | EdibleText | Frostbite, yes. |
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| 17:55.50 | asg | douglas: fsck, badblock |
| 17:55.55 | Pryon | pretty sure any rollercoaster that pulled sufficient Gs to damage a fixed disk would be painful at best. |
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| 17:55.59 | douglas | ok cool thanks |
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| 17:56.07 | asg | douglas: those are for filesystem corruption though, not physical damage. |
| 17:56.28 | douglas | does it matter if i'm running reiser or ext*? |
| 17:56.34 | douglas | with those two? |
| 17:56.55 | bacate | hi all. i wish to know which file i store the static routes. |
| 17:57.01 | amaldo | douglas: if the hard drive is physically damaged, most modern ones will try to cover it from the user (reallocation of sectors, etc). So if you start getting reading errors, it's probable that the drive will fail completely soon. |
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| 17:57.59 | douglas | i'm not getting any yet but just want to check thoroughly .. also it's only a backup box in case my other box falls off the stack |
| 17:58.03 | bacate | i dont want to build a script and put it em /etc/init.d. i wish to do it as "debian way" . :-) |
| 17:58.16 | robin_sz | douglas: to solve your probem, simply take a new drive, foramt it the same way as the old drive and then restore from backups |
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| 18:00.26 | positrix | i changed my hostname from "debian" to "vger" last night, and im getting errors alot "unable to lookup vger via gethostbyname() " i changed /etc/hostname, and then restarted. did i do something wrong? |
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| 18:01.09 | EdibleText | positrix, edit /etc/hosts as well |
| 18:01.37 | bacate | positrix: i guess that there are other files to change, like /etc/hosts. |
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| 18:03.44 | positrix | EdibleText, bacate: thanks |
| 18:04.13 | mfrisch | if I dpkg-reconfigure postfix will spamassassin and amavis still work??? |
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| 18:04.27 | arbustus | I have an article here talking about uml and debian. It says I just should type apt-get install user-mode-linux. But that wont do it I get that it hasn't any release canidate? |
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| 18:06.05 | netman1 | arbustus: shouldn't you look at xen? |
| 18:06.27 | arbustus | that's some new vps better than uml? |
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| 18:07.08 | netman1 | arbustus: yes, hw separation and qos |
| 18:07.22 | arbustus | okey, but what happend to uml? |
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| 18:09.50 | netman1 | arbustus: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ |
| 18:09.57 | arbustus | thanks |
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| 18:14.15 | Manny | hi |
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| 18:14.31 | Manny | I'm the developer of a nautilus extension. How can I get a package for it into the official debian repositories? |
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| 18:15.06 | quitte | amaldo no, it'S a royal with cheese here |
| 18:15.14 | emergo | Im trying to print from within firefox with cups, but no such luck. Any magic files missing maybe ? |
| 18:15.47 | EdibleText | quitte, the half pounder? |
| 18:15.51 | Manny | I'm not talking about the technical aspects. Building a package using dpkg isn't very hard, but about how to tell debian about my package and how to become adopted as debian package maintainer |
| 18:16.07 | quitte | EdibleText: for some reason they call it double quarter |
| 18:16.12 | EdibleText | heh |
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| 18:16.35 | quitte | Manny: new maintainer guide |
| 18:16.39 | SamBC | Anyone know a way to stop vesafb (kernel module) getting loaded? It seems to be conflicting with (the much more useful for me) sisfb module... |
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| 18:17.14 | quitte | EdibleText: otoh we have the ribmac. and i wouldnt want to loose that for a double quarter pounder on the menu |
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| 18:17.59 | EdibleText | quitte, is that like the McRib? I heard they harvested them from fre range grimaces |
| 18:18.08 | MarcosGarcia | hello |
| 18:18.27 | quitte | EdibleText: uh yes. i always call the ribmac. i tend to confuse macnames |
| 18:18.35 | Stevie[FP] | okay wtf |
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| 18:18.47 | quitte | EdibleText: what does fre range grimaces mean? |
| 18:18.54 | EdibleText | free range |
| 18:19.13 | Stevie[FP] | ok, i need some help |
| 18:19.20 | quitte | EdibleText: as in available unlimited? they are in .de |
| 18:19.20 | Stevie[FP] | and not a ?oRC either |
| 18:19.21 | greycat | EdibleText: does grimace *have* ribs? |
| 18:19.30 | Pryon | Stevie[FP]: Wrong channel :-) |
| 18:19.34 | Stevie[FP] | greycat: No, because mcd's sold them all |
| 18:19.44 | Stevie[FP] | Pryon: No, if I *did* need a ?oRC then it would be the wrong channel |
| 18:19.47 | Stevie[FP] | okay, two NICs |
| 18:19.49 | Pryon | ah |
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| 18:20.00 | EdibleText | quitte, the Grimace character from the McFranchise |
| 18:20.04 | stew | Manny: file an ITP /msg dpkg itp ; then create a package (read the maint-guide) then post a link to your package on the debian-mentors list and whore yourself your for a sponsor for your package |
| 18:20.18 | Stevie[FP] | annnnnnnyway! |
| 18:20.19 | greycat | Stevie[FP]: don't use Mjollnir. |
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| 18:20.26 | EdibleText | quitte, free range is a way to raise livestock in large open areas |
| 18:20.30 | Stevie[FP] | two NICs, eth0 10.10.100.124, eth1 10.10.100.108 |
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| 18:20.40 | greycat | Stevie[FP]: don't put two NICs on the same network. |
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| 18:20.44 | greycat | it's not healthy or sane |
| 18:20.45 | quitte | EdibleText: like ronald and the peorple guy and those? didn't know anyone looked like mcrib there |
| 18:20.47 | Stevie[FP] | eth0 is downed (via ifconfig eth0 down) and the cable is physically disconnected |
| 18:20.49 | battlecat | When you have a debian package on a cd how do you install it? |
| 18:20.58 | greycat | battlecat: dpkg |
| 18:21.03 | stew | battlecat: dpkg -i /path/to/deb |
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| 18:21.14 | Stevie[FP] | dpkg -i /mnt/cdrom/your/file/here.deb |
| 18:21.19 | Stevie[FP] | err |
| 18:21.27 | Stevie[FP] | ouch |
| 18:21.27 | tarzeau | greycat: unless you wants bonding? |
| 18:21.38 | greycat | tarzeau: as I said. not healthy or sane. |
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| 18:21.46 | EdibleText | quitte, the big purple doofus.. The Hamburgler's domestic partner |
| 18:21.46 | battlecat | thank you |
| 18:21.48 | quitte | EdibleText: i think i dont know enough about how farming is handled to fully understand that |
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| 18:22.11 | Stevie[FP] | it doesn't matter whether I want bondign or not, because (a) eth0 is downed via ifconfig eth0 down and (b) the cable is physically disconnected from the rj45 |
| 18:22.17 | quitte | anyhow im hungry |
| 18:22.21 | EdibleText | quitte, Its a western united states thing... you need a lot of land |
| 18:22.32 | EdibleText | quitte, no fences |
| 18:23.01 | Pryon | plenty of fences in the western US |
| 18:23.06 | Stevie[FP] | now I can ssh into the box via 10.10.100.124 (eth0's ip), but *not* via 10.10.100.108 (eth1's ip) |
| 18:23.11 | quitte | ok that's the free range part. i dont get the grimace part of it |
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| 18:23.24 | greycat | quitte: he's a big purple blob in the TV commercials |
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| 18:23.36 | quitte | a grimace is if i put my lower lip over my nose,right? |
| 18:23.38 | greycat | his name is "Grimace" |
| 18:23.59 | stew | grimace: http://www.premier-productions.co.uk/RM_grimace.gif |
| 18:24.00 | Stevie[FP] | they don't do that here |
| 18:24.14 | Pryon | He's what Barney would look like if you melted him a bit. |
| 18:24.14 | greycat | http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:U3Pgyhz4eYoJ:www.premier-productions.co.uk/RM_grimace.gif |
| 18:24.25 | EdibleText | In life he in known as "Grimace"; in death we call him "McRib" |
| 18:24.27 | greycat | !win stew |
| 18:24.29 | Stevie[FP] | here they have some sort of 'urban' (e.g. black) ad thing going |
| 18:24.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 18:24.31 | stew | yay |
| 18:24.33 | netman1 | Stevie[FP]: what does arp tell you on the ssh client side about 10.10.100.124's mac address? |
| 18:24.46 | EdibleText | in/was |
| 18:25.10 | Stevie[FP] | same MAC for both 10.10.100.108 and 10.10.100.124 |
| 18:25.11 | quitte | i didnt know the mccharacters had names except ronald |
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| 18:25.47 | netman1 | Stefie[FP]: and what is the mac address on eth0? |
| 18:25.52 | Stevie[FP] | quitte: apparently they're derived from an old show called HR PuffNStuff |
| 18:26.01 | Stevie[FP] | a different MAC |
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| 18:26.30 | netman1 | Stevie[FP]: then who the fsck own's that mac? |
| 18:26.34 | Stevie[FP] | eth1 |
| 18:26.36 | kokkoo | hi im running debian sarge, i have tad trouble with samba, need to join host two workgroups, ive read the manual in and out but still i cannot get it, anyone ? |
| 18:26.47 | Inv_arp | whats a script i can use to setup my /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 18:26.48 | BibTeX | Hello |
| 18:26.54 | netman1 | Stevie[FP]: then your box routes. |
| 18:26.56 | BibTeX | I have a NETGEAR wireless card |
| 18:26.56 | Stevie[FP] | eth0 is set to 10.10.100.124 but is down, eth1 is set to 10.10.100.108 and is up |
| 18:27.00 | concept10 | ahh... just set up sarge for my mother with wireless access. She hasnt used a computer since she retired |
| 18:27.18 | stew | Inv_arp: #!/bin/sh \n /usr/bin/editor /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:27.24 | Stevie[FP] | I can ssh to the box via .124 but NOT via .108 |
| 18:27.45 | Inv_arp | stew: an nice auto configurer |
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| 18:27.56 | BibTeX | by typing cardctl status 1 |
| 18:27.56 | BibTeX | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.56 | BibTeX | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.03 | netman1 | Stevie[FP]: what does netstat -rn say on the server box? |
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| 18:28.06 | Stevie[FP] | err wtf |
| 18:28.06 | BibTeX | so I assume that the card exist |
| 18:28.10 | Inv_arp | hmm no netconf or somethin |
| 18:28.11 | Oldak | I don't suppose anyone'd like to help me install the wireless whatsits on this laptop? |
| 18:28.15 | BibTeX | but it is not lighted up |
| 18:28.18 | EdibleText | kokkoo, join (a) host (to) _two_ workgroups OR join (a) host to (a) workgroup |
| 18:28.19 | Stevie[FP] | it seems that my box is having minor issues |
| 18:28.23 | EdibleText | ?? |
| 18:28.29 | BibTeX | and I cannot make the wireless interface configuration |
| 18:28.36 | BibTeX | what shall I do to get wireless access? |
| 18:28.52 | positrix | Stevie[FP]: thank you very much for that i now have the HR PuffNStuff song stuck in my head "HR PuffNStuff something a little because something get enough" i dont even know the words but the bloody tunes there. |
| 18:29.02 | kokkoo | EdibleText : to host two or more workgroups. my english isnt perfect sorry :) |
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| 18:29.23 | EdibleText | kokkoo, np. thats why i asked :) |
| 18:29.27 | netman1 | Stevie[FP]: I wouldn't call them minor. |
| 18:29.44 | kokkoo | EdibleText : hehe you know howto ? :) |
| 18:29.57 | Stevie[FP] | 0kay |
| 18:29.59 | Stevie[FP] | that was bizarre |
| 18:30.04 | Stevie[FP] | i ran tethereal on server |
| 18:30.08 | Stevie[FP] | waited for connection to see wtf is up |
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| 18:30.11 | Stevie[FP] | ... now it's working |
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| 18:31.07 | Pryon | Mmmm. Promiscuous mode. |
| 18:31.31 | EdibleText | kokkoo, not sure if you can do that.. |
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| 18:32.51 | kokkoo | EdibleText : #samba users say i should run two instances of samba, each with its own config, but no-one is telling more than that |
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| 18:34.51 | Inv_arp | kokkoo: both binding to the same ip? |
| 18:35.15 | kokkoo | Inv_arp : different ip's aswell |
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| 18:36.16 | Inv_arp | kokkoo: hmm maybe ya gotta have 2 diff smb.conf each with bind params? |
| 18:36.52 | jethro | kokkoo: to manage multiple domains with a single machine, you need different chrooted samba |
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| 18:37.30 | kokkoo | yes but i cant find out in the start\stop script where i can load the custom config |
| 18:37.42 | jethro | kokkoo: you need to write your own init.d script |
| 18:37.57 | Kr3 | hello |
| 18:38.01 | jethro | kokkoo: and this init.d script will call chroot /path/to/chroot /etc/init.d/samba start |
| 18:38.29 | Kr3 | i am having trouble installing debian, can you help me? |
| 18:38.38 | jethro | kokkoo: you can trust me, I did it 10 days ago for managing multiple domains with a samba/ldap DC. |
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| 18:38.54 | jethro | s/for managing/to manage/ |
| 18:39.09 | kokkoo | jethro : which os you did that on ? |
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| 18:39.30 | jethro | kokkoo: the host is redhat, and samba run in 4 different sarge chroots. OS is GNU/Linux |
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| 18:39.50 | jethro | kokkoo: each chroot is ~ 100MB |
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| 18:40.14 | Feyr-Wrk | anyone here ever set up a HA router (high availability)? what software did you use for the heartbeat? |
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| 18:40.41 | kokkoo | jethro : right, ill try and fix that, but do i need both smbd and nmbd to load custom.cfg ? |
| 18:41.01 | jethro | kokkoo: what do you call custom.cfg ? |
| 18:41.19 | jethro | kokkoo: just maintain a smb.conf per domain you want to manage. 1 domain = 1 chroot = 1 smb.conf |
| 18:41.20 | kokkoo | jethro : well the cfg for the other subnet :) |
| 18:41.21 | Kr3 | i'm having a message "missing kernel or user mode driver hw_random" |
| 18:41.23 | stew | !info heartbeat |
| 18:41.27 | dpkg | heartbeat: (Subsystem for High-Availability Linux), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.2.3-10 (sid), Packaged size: 486 kB, Installed size: 1616 kB |
| 18:41.28 | stew | Feyr-Wrk: ^^ |
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| 18:41.47 | Feyr-Wrk | except it has 20 megs of dependencies, which simply isn't acceptable for a 128 megs disk :) |
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| 18:42.15 | Kr3 | anyone? |
| 18:42.29 | kokkoo | jethro : i can test with only running smbd -s eth1.cfg right ? |
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| 18:42.40 | asg | Feyr-Wrk: that might be a job for OpenBSD |
| 18:42.49 | jethro | kokkoo: test what? |
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| 18:43.14 | kokkoo | jethro : config file... samba responds |
| 18:43.16 | Feyr-Wrk | which software on openbsd? ucarp? tried that too, it's not suited for a router, only for pairs of servers |
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| 18:43.52 | jethro | kokkoo: you're confusing me. |
| 18:44.14 | stew | Feyr-Wrk: have you asked in #linux-ha ? |
| 18:44.16 | sepski | Feyr-Wrk, have you considered vrrp ? |
| 18:44.24 | jethro | kokkoo: just configure a domain per chroot. then start all samba stanzas chrooted |
| 18:44.29 | Feyr-Wrk | no to both. i'll try there |
| 18:44.41 | Spec | does debian run on tablet PCs? |
| 18:44.44 | Feyr-Wrk | and no to vrrp. i'll take a look as well :) |
| 18:44.44 | Kr3 | someone please? |
| 18:44.51 | kokkoo | jethro : okies |
| 18:44.52 | asg | Spec: try tuxmobile.org |
| 18:44.54 | jethro | kokkoo: you will need aliases on your interface, or multiple nics |
| 18:45.16 | asg | Kr3: that error is too vague. What are you doing, which debian, what happens after you see that error... |
| 18:45.19 | asg | !smart questions |
| 18:45.20 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 18:45.34 | mcs | when is the new ubuntu release? |
| 18:45.44 | asg | mcs: how the fuck should we know |
| 18:45.47 | asg | mcs: #ubuntu |
| 18:45.55 | pureone | :| |
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| 18:46.30 | Kr3 | ok. im trying to install debian 3.1r0a on a laptop. after the first boot, i see a lot of text and in the end this hw_random thing |
| 18:46.32 | stew | Feyr-Wrk: vrrp is just a protocol, linux-ha uses vrrp |
| 18:46.43 | Kr3 | then nothing happens. |
| 18:46.47 | greycat | Kr3: you tried both the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels? |
| 18:46.49 | concept10 | How do I make wlan0 the default connection? |
| 18:47.02 | jethro | concept10: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:47.29 | Kr3 | i found out that the problem is that my system does not have something called RNG and so the driver cant load. but i have no idea how to get past this |
| 18:47.50 | Kr3 | no, just the 2.4 kernel. how can i try the other one? |
| 18:48.02 | asg | Kr3: linux26 at the boot: prompt |
| 18:48.08 | jethro | kokkoo: linux26 at the boot prompt. F1 for more help |
| 18:48.16 | jethro | err |
| 18:48.21 | asg | !err jethro |
| 18:48.23 | jethro | :) |
| 18:48.27 | Kr3 | hmm. you mean when i boot from the cd? |
| 18:48.35 | jethro | kokkoo: tab completion failure, sorry :) |
| 18:48.39 | quitte | how are my chances the apache config and q3ded will still work after a dist-upgrade to sarge? |
| 18:48.41 | jethro | kokkoo: indeed |
| 18:48.44 | jethro | damn |
| 18:48.46 | jethro | Kr3: indeed |
| 18:48.51 | Iruka | asg, http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml :-PP |
| 18:48.57 | pipeline | quitte: Pretty good but not great. |
| 18:49.06 | Kr3 | i'll try that |
| 18:49.15 | quitte | pipeline: apache almost 100%? |
| 18:49.17 | asg | Iruka: I'm well aware of the channel guidelines |
| 18:50.34 | pipeline | quitte: Things change slowly in Apache, but they do change |
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| 18:51.06 | kokkoo | jethro : np ;) |
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| 18:52.22 | Kr3 | any other things i should consider if i want to put this into a laptop? |
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| 18:53.34 | Iruka | don't expect stuff like suspend to work :-/ |
| 18:53.48 | gba | Hi, how can I make a "su" in a bash script so that the script continues after that? |
| 18:53.56 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk, jethro feeling bubbly? |
| 18:54.03 | stew | gba: use sudo instead of su /msg dpkg sudo |
| 18:54.05 | shruggar | when trying to startvncserver, it fails. The error log shows: Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 18:54.05 | tarzeau | gba: what do you really want to do? |
| 18:54.18 | tarzeau | !fixed |
| 18:54.19 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 18:54.24 | tarzeau | shruggar: for you, honey |
| 18:54.44 | gba | tarzeau: I want to go into a chroot and make some commands in it |
| 18:54.54 | shruggar | thx |
| 18:55.03 | gba | stew: I am going to try that |
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| 18:55.26 | McCabe | hello |
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| 18:55.30 | jethro | tarzeau: not really. maybe just a few minutes. |
| 18:55.36 | shruggar | searching through packages.debian.org for things containing a file called "fixed" returns a shitload of results :) |
| 18:55.45 | jethro | tarzeau: are you there yet? |
| 18:56.07 | tarzeau | jethro: i'll start the server now, and we'll only play BONUS UBERFUN ROFL ROFL LEMMINGS AND TETRIS PACMAN :) LOLZ |
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| 18:56.07 | jethro | gba: sudo |
| 18:56.14 | Iruka | gba, maybe "su -c anothershellscript"? |
| 18:56.14 | tarzeau | jethro: cracks me up only by thinking about it |
| 18:56.17 | jethro | tarzeau: no space invader? |
| 18:56.23 | tarzeau | jethro: if you want, that too |
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| 18:56.25 | Iruka | (it'll ask for a password, though) |
| 18:56.39 | tarzeau | ufoalien: you join too? heh |
| 18:56.41 | gba | tarzeau: okay. Iruka: thanks for the tip. |
| 18:56.48 | jethro | gdub: apt-get install sudo; man sudo; man sudoers |
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| 18:56.59 | jethro | gba: ^^ |
| 18:57.07 | jethro | damn I can't type tonight. I'll just stop :) |
| 18:57.19 | ufoalien | tarzeau: ;) |
| 18:57.30 | shruggar | what's a good, completely minimalist wm? I am looking for: displays windows, allows windows to be moved, focus-on-click, and some key or button to open a new xterm. And nothing else |
| 18:57.34 | tarzeau | wait the meta server seems down |
| 18:57.40 | tarzeau | OMG! |
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| 18:57.50 | gba | shruggar: twm |
| 18:57.51 | jethro | tarzeau: I don't use it. |
| 18:57.52 | gba | :) |
| 18:57.56 | concept10 | While shutting down a new install of sarge I get this error: Kernel panic, not syncing: Aiee, killing interupt handler. Any ideas on what that could be? |
| 18:58.01 | tarzeau | jethro, ufoalien: gnu.ethz.ch:38160 |
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| 18:58.05 | shruggar | isnt twm focus-follows-mouse? |
| 18:58.12 | jethro | tarzeau: it's not as if I didn't know :) |
| 18:58.13 | McCabe | i've been using a bash script firewall for a few years now, but when companies are starting to flood bittorrent with ranges of ip's, it's getting a bit hard to maintain.. anyone know of some good firewall software thats easily configurable and that can run on a linux box (without taking over the entire box) |
| 18:58.16 | McCabe | ? |
| 18:58.34 | gba | shruggar: I think so. didn't used it for a long time now. |
| 18:58.38 | concept10 | McCabe, firestarter |
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| 18:58.57 | McCabe | concept10: thanks, ill have a look.. do you use it yourself? |
| 18:58.57 | Kr3 | ok, here we go... |
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| 18:59.11 | concept10 | McCabe, all day everyday |
| 18:59.12 | Iruka | shruggar, fvwm is pretty configurable, you could try that (unless you really want a small memory footprint too, and in that case you might as well write your own..) |
| 18:59.27 | OSuKaRu | hello |
| 18:59.27 | McCabe | concept10: sounds good ;) |
| 18:59.29 | ralf | anyone installed apt6? |
| 18:59.32 | surrounder | fvwm++ |
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| 19:00.03 | ufoalien | tarzeau: I wish I could, but we're going to eat here now |
| 19:00.05 | OSuKaRu | in my Gnome System the Japanese characters dont work |
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| 19:00.19 | toskino | alguna española? |
| 19:00.23 | stew | !es |
| 19:00.24 | toskino | ennnnnnnnnnnn |
| 19:00.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:00.32 | toskino | alguna esoañola? |
| 19:00.35 | OSuKaRu | it apears strange squares with numbers on it |
| 19:00.43 | tarzeau | ufoalien: afyet seker bal olsun -- ein andermal |
| 19:00.47 | Kr3 | hm. now it stops too, but the last words are "i810_audio: can't be loaded |
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| 19:00.48 | Kr3 | missing kernel or user mode driver i810_audio" |
| 19:00.55 | teclo | Hello, if I want to use the options "Preload essential modules from a floppy" in the woody installer, where can I get the modules ? Note: cannot install sarge on the box: not enough memory... |
| 19:01.03 | ufoalien | tarzeau: hehe :) |
| 19:01.05 | toskino | alguna española? |
| 19:01.10 | toskino | alguna española? |
| 19:01.15 | tarzeau | !es |
| 19:01.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:01.20 | stew | toskino: /j #debian-es |
| 19:01.24 | concept10 | no speaka spanish |
| 19:01.27 | spaere | hi all, i'm trying to change a string in a number of asp files, i was wondering if anyone could have a look at my sed command and let me know why it isn't working? |
| 19:01.32 | Iruka | OSuKaRu, sounds lik you're missing some fonts |
| 19:01.38 | toskino | eres chica stew? |
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| 19:02.07 | greycat | jesus fuckin' christ... |
| 19:02.14 | concept10 | lol |
| 19:02.15 | enamorado | alguna tia |
| 19:02.16 | OSuKaRu | ^-^ |
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| 19:02.25 | EdibleText | Que hablamos aqui? |
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| 19:02.32 | OSuKaRu | Debian, tio |
| 19:02.40 | EdibleText | Hablamos englais aqui |
| 19:02.48 | spaere | anyways, i'm trying to replace the string: "/mysupport (with quote) with: "/es/mysupport |
| 19:02.48 | OSuKaRu | English yes |
| 19:02.49 | greycat | EdibleText: inglés |
| 19:03.00 | spaere | and am trying: find ./ -name '*.asp' -print | xargs sed 's|"/mysupport|"/es/mysupport|g' |
| 19:03.01 | Iruka | OSuKaRu, try "apt-get install ttf-kochi-mincho" maybe? |
| 19:03.09 | EdibleText | greycat, too many romance languages.. |
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| 19:03.26 | mathieu | EdibleText, roman langauges |
| 19:03.31 | stew | cripes |
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| 19:05.16 | OSuKaRu | cudnt find that |
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| 19:07.32 | valdyn | Kangxi is japanese? |
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| 19:08.07 | asuffield | no. japanese does not have a letter 'x' |
| 19:08.07 | Iruka | sounds like Chinese to me |
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| 19:08.33 | cbr | $ fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin |
| 19:08.37 | cbr | wonder why this fails |
| 19:08.41 | greycat | cbr: file a bug report. |
| 19:08.42 | cbr | No matching plugin was found. |
| 19:08.42 | cbr | Removing temporary directory: done |
| 19:08.59 | valdyn | i see, i was wondering if kangxi == kanji, guess it isnt then. |
| 19:09.09 | cbr | does the java-package package need to be updated for every new release? |
| 19:09.14 | Delph | cbr: yes. |
| 19:09.17 | cbr | oh |
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| 19:09.32 | cbr | that's pointless :roll: they should provide the debs then |
| 19:09.40 | Delph | cbr: you tell sun, not me =:) |
| 19:09.44 | emergo | is there any special requirements to get cups tp print from firefox mozilla or opera ? it works from openoffice |
| 19:09.58 | Iruka | it may very well be :-) I think chinese write it æ¼¢å— too (as Japanese do). I'm not sure, though, I don't really know Chinese. But they read many words in a kinda-similar way |
| 19:09.59 | valdyn | emergo: no |
| 19:10.06 | Lee__ | is there a key command to switch desktops with Gnome? |
| 19:10.15 | directhex | cbr, for license reasons, that's why |
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| 19:10.25 | directhex | cbr, if you don't like it, speak to sun |
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| 19:10.30 | emergo | valdyn: so for you it works out of the box, epson 82C here |
| 19:10.53 | valdyn | emergo: cups is not installed out of the box |
| 19:10.54 | netman1 | Lee__: ctrl-alt-arrow |
| 19:11.01 | valdyn | emergo: other than that, yea |
| 19:11.01 | Lee__ | I can't print from firefox either. I print to a file and type 'lp file.ps' to print. |
| 19:11.13 | Lee__ | netman1: thanks! |
| 19:11.16 | directhex | cbr, and while you're at it, tell them "t3's lick balls" |
| 19:11.34 | emergo | valdyn: I use some gimp-print drivers bye the way with cups |
| 19:11.39 | valdyn | emergo: if cupsys-bsd is installed you really really should be able to print from *anything* |
| 19:11.40 | stew | directhex: is that good or bad? |
| 19:11.41 | greycat | directhex: sounds like a nifty feature |
| 19:11.58 | directhex | greycat, only if they do so when asked |
| 19:12.06 | emergo | valdyn: ok, I dont think it it though |
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| 19:12.33 | valdyn | emergo: so install it ) |
| 19:12.36 | Lee__ | CUPS is spotty from application to application. I got OOo and gpdf printing well |
| 19:13.15 | Lee__ | Mozilla not printing at all, the Gimp printing but with crap resolution and Scribus printing with some weird font I didn't have in the project. |
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| 19:13.34 | greycat | what the FUCK. |
| 19:13.40 | greycat | 15:13 Ignoring MSGS from kr3 |
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| 19:14.29 | Kr3 | ??? |
| 19:14.34 | greycat | !msg |
| 19:14.34 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 19:14.54 | valdyn | emergo: my firefox shows each printer 3x, once cups ( directly ), once cups ( via cupsys-bsd ), and once xprint ( whatever the fuck that does ) |
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| 19:15.12 | cbr | directhex: what's a t3? |
| 19:15.14 | Lee__ | valdyn: and you can actually print web pages? |
| 19:15.22 | Kr3 | you are not very helpful.. :( |
| 19:15.23 | Fleck | !randomfight |
| 19:15.29 | Fleck | heh |
| 19:15.30 | valdyn | Lee__: yes... |
| 19:15.36 | directhex | cbr, a poorly designed direct-attach scsi raid array |
| 19:15.37 | emergo | valdyn: hmm, strange |
| 19:15.50 | Lee__ | woah. magic. I can't no matter which printer I choose. |
| 19:16.10 | EdibleText | someone has /msg me. irssi shows [Act: 11,12] when its 2 or 4 I hit ESC-2 or ESC-4 to open the window. how do I do when it is two digits? |
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| 19:16.36 | HelmutG | hi. when trying to use pbuilder create i get "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" from apt and it aborts (full log see http://np.subdivi.de/posts/119.html). can i make that thing work? |
| 19:16.37 | j_k | EdibleText: /help window, i think. |
| 19:16.38 | Lee__ | it'd be cool to pipe the Postscript output to lp through Firefox cause that works. |
| 19:16.41 | Kr3 | bah. forgetaboutthis. i'll try fedora instead. |
| 19:16.44 | hcy | how can i make a file of a given filesize, filled with nonsense - gibberish? |
| 19:16.46 | valdyn | EdibleText: it goes on with q,w,e,r,t etc.. |
| 19:16.48 | stew | EdibleText: alt-q alt-w alt-e... |
| 19:17.02 | EdibleText | valdyn, ah.. ok |
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| 19:17.15 | robin_sz | Lee__: just get a nice networkable PS printer, and forget all the printserver crap, because it never works |
| 19:17.15 | Lee__ | hcy: dd if=/dev/zero of=big.file bs=5M count=1 |
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| 19:17.32 | ricochet | I just upgraded my SID, installed another 2.6.11-686-smp and I rebooted and it wont boot. Gets to loading linux......*50 and hangs. Can someone help please? |
| 19:17.33 | hcy | Lee__: thanks |
| 19:17.34 | cmihai | Lee__: why ? |
| 19:17.39 | cmihai | when you can doo seek. |
| 19:17.43 | jethro | !pal ricochet |
| 19:17.44 | Lee__ | robin_sz: you mean one with a Ethernet jack? |
| 19:17.50 | valdyn | Lee__: cupsys-bsd basically does that... |
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| 19:18.06 | robin_sz | Lee__: yeah, nic HP or soemting with a jetdirect card |
| 19:18.13 | emergo | valdyn: lp@64 ; xp_ps_spooldir_HOME_Xprintjobs@:64 ; Postscript/Epson_82C is what I have |
| 19:18.26 | greycat | ricochet: so boot the previous kernel |
| 19:18.31 | Lee__ | ah. I have an HP 6L attached to a parallel port. |
| 19:18.34 | jetx | hplijs? i forget |
| 19:18.43 | jetx | not the o one |
| 19:18.54 | Lee__ | valdyn: thanks. |
| 19:18.57 | ricochet | greycat, its not in lilo conf. trying a live cd chroot.. |
| 19:19.00 | robin_sz | Lee__: does the 6L have space for a jetdirect card or is it just a "home" printer? |
| 19:19.14 | pipeline | robin_sz: The 6L is a workgroup printer. |
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| 19:19.26 | Lee__ | not sure. it's at home :) It's old and crap anyway. Not worth spending more money on. |
| 19:19.42 | greycat | ricochet: *always* keep at least two kernels in your lilo config (new and old) |
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| 19:19.49 | valdyn | Lee__: i bet hp 6l is supported just fine anyway. |
| 19:19.57 | robin_sz | pipeline: sure? the L variants are L shaped paper path .. I sheets upwards inthe back of the printer usually |
| 19:19.59 | cmihai | Lee__: dd of=bigfile bs=1024 seek=2000000 count=0 |
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| 19:20.06 | cmihai | That makes you a 2GB file in notime :) |
| 19:20.09 | McCabe | i've set up my xserver, so if i ssh to another box i can run x-clients and theyll show up locally.. but if i su on the remote box it doesent work, because it's a different user.. but i cant figure out how to give remote root access to the server.. ? |
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| 19:20.35 | Lee__ | valdyn: unless I did something wrong that's undocumented, it's not "just fine", as printing is spotty from app to app. I have work arounds but there's no consistant one. |
| 19:20.37 | ricochet | greycat, will do from now on |
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| 19:20.49 | kferdous | Hey is there any repository which has a debian jdk port? |
| 19:20.56 | ricochet | greycat, in the meantime, any idea on how I can get this back up? |
| 19:20.58 | kferdous | jdk15 for apt |
| 19:21.04 | kferdous | or do i have to do this all manually |
| 19:21.36 | jetx | kferdous: go to sun, d/l the .bin, ./blah.bin |
| 19:21.41 | Lee__ | !tell kferdous about jdk |
| 19:22.03 | valdyn | Lee__: most applications just use only the bsd style spool, except gimp that has its own system, except firefox and some more apps, which support a variety of spools. |
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| 19:22.22 | greycat | wait.... you run unstable, but you don't know how to maintain a working lilo.conf, and you don't know how to recover when your *one* kernel in lilo.conf is broken? |
| 19:22.25 | greycat | !pal ricochet |
| 19:22.46 | emergo | valdyn: I got it now :-), I changed the command in firefox to lpr -cups and voila! |
| 19:22.53 | valdyn | Lee__: so if one app can print to the bsd-style spool, all others supprting it *should* too |
| 19:22.53 | kferdous | thanks |
| 19:22.54 | Delph | kferdous: /msg dpkg java |
| 19:23.02 | Delph | or read the topic, no really. |
| 19:23.07 | kferdous | ok |
| 19:23.07 | valdyn | emergo: ah neat |
| 19:23.17 | Lee__ | emergo: that's all? cool. I tried changing that to 'lp ...' but still nothing. |
| 19:23.25 | ricochet | greyat, still learning. |
| 19:23.33 | BibTeX | Which WIFI card to by for debian and which driver to install ? |
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| 19:23.34 | ricochet | greycat ^ |
| 19:23.34 | BibTeX | Which WIFI card to by for debian and which driver to install ? |
| 19:23.41 | Lee__ | ricochet: I don't think unstable is for learning. |
| 19:23.47 | greycat | BibTeX: don't ask twice. |
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| 19:23.50 | Lee__ | I think it's for doing. Sarge is for learning. |
| 19:24.00 | shruggar | how do I close a window in twm? :/ |
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| 19:24.19 | BobE | hi...im really stuck on a debian net install. Ive downloaded the basic cd 110mb cd and installed it. But I need to install my USB ADSL modem drivers...I cant access the floppy drive, which has the driver! |
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| 19:24.28 | greycat | shruggar: pick the "close" or "destroy" from the widge menu, or xkill |
| 19:24.33 | greycat | widget* |
| 19:24.36 | ricochet | greycat, Lee__, i've been running unstable the last 2 years as my exclusive desktop and I manage to get by |
| 19:24.36 | Iruka | greycat, is that so funny? I've never had an unstable kernel break on me (at least to the extent that it wouldn't boot) :-/ |
| 19:24.44 | valdyn | BobE: why cant you access the floppy drive? |
| 19:24.55 | Iruka | where unstable kernel = kernel from debian unstable, not a development series kernel :-) |
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| 19:25.03 | BobE | valdyn: Its not listed in /mnt/ |
| 19:25.04 | Lee__ | !floppy |
| 19:25.04 | dpkg | hmm... floppy is flop, flop, flop.. |
| 19:25.06 | BibTeX | greycat: sorry |
| 19:25.14 | valdyn | BobE: so mount it? |
| 19:25.18 | greycat | !rescue |
| 19:25.19 | dpkg | rescue is, like, at http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ |
| 19:25.26 | greycat | it's question 28 currently. |
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| 19:26.32 | valdyn | BobE: mkdir /mnt/floppy && mount /dev/whereverthefuckdevsputsfd0 /mnt/floppy would do that. |
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| 19:26.36 | philips | My motherboard can boot my external hard drive, but I am getting kernel panics about /dev/hda1 for obvious reasons. How do I setup the disk so that it boots AND works |
| 19:26.45 | BobB | sorry...lots of thunder and ligntening...my modem leeps going down |
| 19:26.51 | BobB | powers flicking on and off etc |
| 19:27.08 | nathan_ | BobB: are you at sea ? |
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| 19:27.20 | BobB | nope, in the uk ;) |
| 19:27.29 | BobB | weathers clearing though |
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| 19:27.33 | greycat | ipt.aol.com must be "Anglicans On Line" |
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| 19:27.48 | nathan_ | BobB: where about? hope its not headin up to edinburgh |
| 19:27.49 | valdyn | philips: figure out which device node your harddisk is from the kernels perspective.. |
| 19:28.04 | BobB | nathan: near the south coast |
| 19:28.12 | nathan_ | scary |
| 19:28.27 | valdyn | philips: in other words, your bios/bootmanager and the kernel do not necessarily agree |
| 19:28.41 | emergo | Lee__: did you get firefox printing ? |
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| 19:28.53 | Lee__ | I'm not at home. I can't check until then. |
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| 19:29.11 | sewi | how to patch a directory? I've done: diff -ur old_dir new_dir > dir.patch and what to type to apply the patch to old_dir? |
| 19:29.19 | greycat | sewi: man patch |
| 19:29.32 | valdyn | philips: usb are scsi for the kernel, so /dev/sda etc.. |
| 19:29.49 | ryty | I I get a dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success when I try to run dpkg, any ideas? |
| 19:30.20 | greycat | check your configuration |
| 19:30.31 | ryty | at /etc/dpkg/...? |
| 19:30.31 | valdyn | ryty: so you did actually downgrade dpkg and you are surprised it broke? |
| 19:30.35 | greycat | did you try to revert from dpkg 1.13.x to an older one? |
| 19:30.43 | ryty | no, I didn't |
| 19:30.53 | valdyn | ryty: yes you did |
| 19:30.57 | greycat | then how did your config break? |
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| 19:31.08 | ryty | if I knew, I wouldn't be here... |
| 19:31.12 | greycat | idiots. |
| 19:31.22 | ryty | me? |
| 19:31.25 | greycat | you. |
| 19:31.28 | valdyn | ryty: edit /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg and comment out or remove the "log..." line |
| 19:31.29 | greycat | (among others) |
| 19:31.45 | emergo | Lee__: well good luck and goodnight :-) |
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| 19:31.56 | lobomufas | hi |
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| 19:32.50 | valdyn | ryty: you for sure did something silly, maybe installing debian via some 3rd party installer can do that |
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| 19:33.13 | ryty_ | seems to work now |
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| 19:38.28 | BobB2 | ack - sorry about all the bobB's...I dont think its the power now...it seems the modem is playing up with windows. Ive been using vector linux until now you see |
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| 19:39.43 | greyson | I hate to ask this here, but does anyone know of a decent wysiwyg-ish html editor that does *not* need a web server, and is available for debian? |
| 19:39.44 | Iruka | it is recommended to keep the modem away from any windows, especially during rainy weather. Try a corner of the room :-/ |
| 19:41.07 | ryty | greyson: apt-cache search does wonders. |
| 19:41.36 | greyson | ryty: My big problem is that I'm a coder... I don't even know what to search for. |
| 19:41.50 | nathan_ | greyson: vnu ? |
| 19:42.02 | ryty | wysiwyg |
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| 19:42.16 | ricochet | greycat, I added my .olds to lilo.conf and ran lilo. New kernel booted fine |
| 19:42.38 | greycat | ricochet: the same one that failed before? |
| 19:42.44 | nathan_ | greyson: nvu even :) |
| 19:42.48 | ryty | greyson: search for wysiwyg |
| 19:42.49 | ricochet | greycat, yeah |
| 19:42.52 | Delph | greycat: and html |
| 19:42.55 | greycat | !blame lilo |
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| 19:43.31 | sparr_ | X.org is the longest compile I have ever done on this machine. XFree from scratch (gentoo stage 1 install) didnt take this long. |
| 19:43.41 | ricochet | greycat, before it said loading linux........... and hung, now the next thing printed is BIOS check ok |
| 19:44.12 | greycat | ricochet: did you adjust any of the kernel parameters in the lilo.conf file? |
| 19:44.20 | jetx | check the symlinks in / |
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| 19:44.45 | ricochet | greycat, nope, just added the .old vmlinuz and .old initrd.img and re-ran lilo after chrooting |
| 19:44.46 | jetx | there's bugginess in them tar update-symlinks |
| 19:44.53 | jetx | err s/tar/thar/ |
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| 19:46.16 | jetx | so do uname -r |
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| 19:46.24 | jetx | ah |
| 19:46.33 | jetx | and add optional |
| 19:47.12 | axiom242 | I left my debian system on over night and when I tried to do dmesg or play some mp3s in the morning, I got the errors "Input/output error" and even dmesg would complain of that. I rebooted and everything is fine now. Are there any apps out there I can check the hard drive for errors? |
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| 19:48.12 | ryty | try the hdd manufacturer's site |
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| 19:48.30 | mai | axiom242, what filesystem type are you running? |
| 19:48.31 | shingouz | axiom242: smartmontools |
| 19:48.32 | ryty | if it's Western Digital, yes |
| 19:48.35 | greycat | smartmontools - control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T. |
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| 19:48.51 | shingouz | ryty: most manufacturers have the same tools |
| 19:48.57 | EdibleText | axiom242, on overnight huh, hdd is cranky ;) |
| 19:49.02 | axiom242 | mai: ReiserFS: |
| 19:49.16 | mai | axiom242, oh.. i guess e2fsck won't work then. |
| 19:49.26 | axiom242 | is smartmontools available for Linux? It is a Western Digital, yes |
| 19:49.27 | jetx | remember: just as each snowflake is a unique creation, so is each booger unique... |
| 19:49.30 | Oldak | How do I expand my UTF-8 support? |
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| 19:49.38 | shingouz | overnight.. hmm.. should i check my uptime.. maybe this one has been up overnight too.. |
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| 19:50.06 | shingouz | axiom242: just install smartmontools with apt. should be there |
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| 19:50.31 | Oldak | I can't currently see Japanese, for example |
| 19:50.56 | axiom242 | and how do I do a check, not monitoring - is that possible? |
| 19:51.19 | ryty | axiom242, what brand of harddrive? |
| 19:51.31 | axiom242 | ryty, Western Digital 120Gb |
| 19:51.40 | valdyn | Oldak: you have japanese fonts installed |
| 19:51.41 | valdyn | Oldak: you have japanese fonts installed? |
| 19:51.55 | Oldak | No, what is the apt-get name? |
| 19:51.56 | ryty | that's funny, I have the same drive, just had to check it and had it replaced |
| 19:52.03 | Oldak | OF a good, extensive font pack |
| 19:52.21 | axiom242 | ryty, how did you check it? |
| 19:52.23 | jetx | apt-cache search japanese font |
| 19:52.29 | jetx | or spell it right if it's worng |
| 19:52.31 | ryty | axiom242, westerndigital.com has a diagnostics tool that installs to floppy |
| 19:52.36 | valdyn | Oldak: apt-cache search "japanese ttf\-" |
| 19:52.37 | ryty | it'll check it |
| 19:52.43 | jetx | yeah i use dlgdiag a lot |
| 19:52.46 | jetx | from wd |
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| 19:52.59 | roods | when i do `grep foo bar' does the fork from my shell need to have the same data and text segments? |
| 19:53.02 | axiom242 | shit..no floppy drive..hehe |
| 19:53.09 | ryty | ...or cd |
| 19:53.17 | jetx | they have a windows version.. :( |
| 19:53.37 | axiom242 | so smartmontools won't help me here? |
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| 19:53.52 | shingouz | axiom242: why not install smartmontools? apt-get install smartmontools |
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| 19:54.07 | shingouz | axiom242: they are the tools you need, just install them already |
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| 19:54.22 | jeff88 | kind of a random question, but does anyone know of a place that sells used dell parts? |
| 19:54.33 | BobE | hi all. Is there anyway to slow down the terminals scroll speed? It scrolls so fast i cant see the options i need! |
| 19:54.34 | davem | ebay? lol |
| 19:54.39 | rbochan | jeff88: delluctions.com ? |
| 19:54.41 | ryty | jeff88: ebay. |
| 19:54.44 | rbochan | er.. dellauctions.com |
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| 19:54.46 | jeff88 | davem: ebay doesnt have it |
| 19:54.47 | greycat | BobE: your command | less |
| 19:54.58 | axiom242 | shingouz, I just did install them..how do you run a test though? This seems to be a monitoring tool |
| 19:55.03 | jeff88 | davem: after a month and a half, ebay still doesnt have it |
| 19:55.16 | ryty | froogle.com? |
| 19:55.17 | shingouz | axiom242: how about checking the man page? there is a lot of stuff there |
| 19:55.21 | ryty | worth a try |
| 19:55.33 | jeff88 | ryty: good idea |
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| 19:56.09 | axiom242 | ryty: the windows version - is it Lifeguard Tools? |
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| 19:56.27 | amorphix | jo |
| 19:56.47 | amorphix | what should be in root= in lilo if im booting from floppy? |
| 19:57.00 | shingouz | axiom242: read the manpage and be surprised what the tools can do. you probably do not need the doze version at all |
| 19:57.01 | amorphix | root=/dev/fd0 ? |
| 19:57.02 | Oldak | Is Debian non-UTF-8? |
| 19:57.03 | SDFH_Linux | are any of you guys haveing trouble using apt-get update? |
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| 19:57.16 | shingouz | amorphix: your root filesystem |
| 19:57.19 | BobE | thanks graycat |
| 19:57.19 | jeff88 | ryty: nah, froogle doesnt have it |
| 19:57.28 | BobE | i'll be disconnected in a sec, so thanks for the help |
| 19:57.29 | valdyn | Oldak: no |
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| 19:57.31 | ryty | Oldak: dpkg-reconfigure locale |
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| 19:57.51 | amorphix | shingouz: i tried to boot my new boot disk, it went ok and asked for root disk, but when i put the root disk in it gave a kernel panic and asked to modify the root= |
| 19:57.52 | rbochan | jeff88: try http://www.dellauction.com |
| 19:58.05 | jeff88 | rbochan: i thought they only sold complete systems |
| 19:58.09 | axiom242 | shingouz, "Please wait 87 minutes for test to complete." from smartmontools |
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| 19:58.23 | rbochan | I know there are laptop parts on there, not sure about others |
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| 19:58.32 | shingouz | axiom242: so? did you want to have the drive checked or not? |
| 19:58.55 | mixonic | hey all. anyone using lvm2 on stable? I cant seem to install it |
| 19:59.02 | shingouz | amorphix: huh? what root disk? you use the root filesystem you have on the hd |
| 19:59.12 | zulu42 | hey! I'm trying to make a little /etc/ini.d/script, and use start-stop-daemon, but when using -c flag to change uid, the HOME env variable is not updated, which make my daemon unable to find user config file... what should I do? |
| 19:59.17 | jeff88 | rbochan: i found one on a chinese website. any idea if it would be compatible with an american machine? |
| 19:59.23 | amorphix | shingouz: there is none, it's a diskless system and im booting from 2 floppies |
| 19:59.23 | axiom242 | shingouz, yes I was just saying... |
| 19:59.24 | shingouz | !tell mixonic about ask |
| 19:59.24 | rbochan | no idea |
| 19:59.38 | shingouz | amorphix: ah. in that case it might be a bit hard |
| 19:59.53 | amorphix | shingouz: is root=/dev/fd0 not right for lilo? |
| 19:59.54 | shingouz | axiom242: the test is very thorough unlike the windows version |
| 20:00.01 | greycat | zulu42: why would $HOME be set in an init.d script? did you set it? no? then it's not set. |
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| 20:00.14 | fabrizio_ciacchi | hi all |
| 20:00.24 | shingouz | amorphix: not sure, i have never done what you are planning to do. all my systems have a local hd |
| 20:00.33 | greycat | changing your UID to that of some other user does not automatically cause random environment variables to be populated |
| 20:00.49 | fabrizio_ciacchi | i'm looking for someone that can help me to package Mozilla minimo... is a variant for handled device of Mozilla firefox... |
| 20:00.54 | mixonic | that was a question... :) does anyone else have problems installing it? i'm trying to see if it's just my system thats b0rked |
| 20:01.02 | amorphix | oh |
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| 20:01.14 | amorphix | shingouz: im using a ramdisk, its really simple |
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| 20:01.26 | shingouz | mixonic: any possiblity you give out the specific problem you have? |
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| 20:01.30 | amorphix | why use a hdd when you can use memory eh |
| 20:01.49 | greycat | amorphix: price |
| 20:01.59 | greycat | amorphix: and nonvolatility |
| 20:02.05 | EdibleText | amorphix, works ;) |
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| 20:02.13 | amorphix | i guess it depends what you're doing |
| 20:02.15 | axiom242 | shingouz, When I do the test, ps auxww doesn't show anything? |
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| 20:02.28 | amorphix | my system is very minimal and i need to save power |
| 20:02.41 | Sully | I have just installed debian sarge, how do i close the thousands of services opened by defualt... i commented out everything in inetd.conf but that is not everything...? |
| 20:02.42 | FlopsyPete | whats the xfree86 config program that the debian-installer runs? |
| 20:02.51 | Oldak | I have set UTF-8 as default, but there are still unrecongised characters |
| 20:02.53 | mixonic | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20 is to be installed <-- it seems my libc6 is out of date, but apt-get dist-upgrade gives nothing to do shingouz. |
| 20:03.11 | EdibleText | Sully, thousands? |
| 20:03.15 | valdyn | axiom242: smart runs tests from the harddisks firmware, smartmontools only monitors / reads info / starts tests. |
| 20:03.16 | Oldak | Japanese, Hebrew, Chinese, etc. |
| 20:03.20 | Sully | EdibleText, Like 20 odd... |
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| 20:03.31 | Lorvija | hey, any french speaker here willing to help me with translating 2 sentences? |
| 20:03.36 | netman1 | FlopsyPete: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 20:03.42 | EdibleText | Sully, oh I thought you may have installed RedHat |
| 20:03.45 | SDFH_Linux | are the debian servers slow today or is it me? |
| 20:03.48 | Sully | heh |
| 20:03.58 | Sully | EdibleText, is there a tool i can use to close them down? |
| 20:04.40 | EdibleText | sully update-rc.d |
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| 20:05.04 | FlopsyPete | netman1: thanks |
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| 20:05.57 | Sully | EdibleText, i dont want to remove/delete the init.d scripts i just want them to stop running at boot.. so i dont have every service under the sun open.. |
| 20:06.00 | Sully | apart from ssh |
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| 20:06.15 | greycat | Sully: there are not *any* services running by default in a sarge base install. you must have chosen one of the tasks... |
| 20:06.24 | netman1 | Sully: update-rc.d |
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| 20:06.37 | EdibleText | Sully, thats what update-rc.d does.. manages the links for the runlevels |
| 20:06.50 | Sully | hrm i'll take a look at the man page, thanks. |
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| 20:07.08 | EdibleText | Sully, it never deletes scripts... that would break stuff |
| 20:07.13 | Sully | ok cool |
| 20:07.31 | gin_ | who can i see my status port ? |
| 20:07.40 | gin_ | who/how* |
| 20:07.43 | mixonic | SDFH_Linux, they've had alot of latency. dunno what's up with it. |
| 20:07.44 | greycat | it would make a lot more sense to *remove* the things you don't want, rather than just fucking with symlinks in rc*.d |
| 20:08.04 | SDFH_Linux | freaking slow as molasses mixonic |
| 20:08.09 | Sully | greycat, like how? |
| 20:08.22 | MobyTurbo | Sully: apt-get remove --purge |
| 20:08.27 | greycat | like, apt-get remvoe thething-you-dontwant |
| 20:08.32 | greycat | remove* |
| 20:08.42 | Sully | apt-get remove --purge <- what does that do |
| 20:08.51 | gin_ | greycat, what is the command to see my port's ? |
| 20:08.57 | greycat | !open ports |
| 20:08.57 | netman1 | greycat: How is your blood-presure these days? |
| 20:08.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, open ports is netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
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| 20:09.05 | douglas_ | not as much as it sounds like it would do |
| 20:09.11 | MobyTurbo | Sully: --purge removes configuration files |
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| 20:09.31 | Sully | thanks |
| 20:09.33 | gin_ | ty |
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| 20:10.19 | Sully | debian:/etc/init.d# update-rc.d apache2 remove |
| 20:10.19 | Sully | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/apache2 exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
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| 20:10.32 | Sully | this has gotta be the gayest way to remove services |
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| 20:10.50 | mixonic | hey, so, debian.org says libc6 ds1-22 is the most recent version (http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/libc6), but my box says 2.3.2.ds1-20 is the most recent. what gives? |
| 20:10.59 | EdibleText | !spank Sully |
| 20:11.00 | Maliuta | fossifoo: check lsof to see what files are being held open, a running (or zombied) process might have a file open that you have deleted |
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| 20:11.28 | greycat | Sully: if you don't want apache2, apt-get remove apache2 |
| 20:11.29 | Sully | EdibleText, how the hell do i remove services that are open? |
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| 20:11.41 | BobE | hi, how do you restart a netinstall from the command line? |
| 20:11.47 | SDFH_Linux | rx? |
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| 20:11.51 | rxwork | its me :) |
| 20:12.02 | SDFH_Linux | what you doing in here my friend |
| 20:12.04 | Sully | i have LOADS of services open i dont need, i dont know what they are, or how to remove them with update-rc.d? |
| 20:12.08 | rxwork | hehe |
| 20:12.10 | greycat | mixonic: apt-get update |
| 20:12.12 | rxwork | i just check the topic |
| 20:12.15 | rxwork | for announcements :P |
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| 20:12.20 | EdibleText | Sully, listen to greycat .. Its most likely what you want |
| 20:12.26 | Sully | i read the manpage and removing them using update-rc.d init.d-script remove dont work |
| 20:12.31 | SDFH_Linux | i c |
| 20:12.32 | mixonic | greycat, I did that :-) |
| 20:12.33 | Sully | EdibleText, yes that is one service fixed |
| 20:12.37 | Sully | but i have LOADS |
| 20:12.38 | stew | Sully: which services? |
| 20:12.43 | greycat | update-rc.d DOES NOT REMOVE THEM. It just stops them running at boot. |
| 20:12.46 | Sully | hang on then |
| 20:12.50 | netman1 | EdibleText: spank him again |
| 20:12.54 | EdibleText | !spank Sully |
| 20:13.22 | stew | Sully: you probably want to disable some stuff in /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 20:13.38 | ArcSine | which package(s) do i have to install to be able to see all different characters in kde (for example â˜) |
| 20:13.39 | Sully | smtp, domain, httpd, rpcbind, netbios-ssn, micorsoft-ds afpovertcp, ipp, netviewdm3, netgw, rndc, postgres.... |
| 20:13.48 | netman1 | Sully: you didn't read the manpage or else you would have seen -f, ***hole |
| 20:13.51 | Sully | stew, I have! |
| 20:14.32 | stew | Sully: why did you install all that stuff if you didn't want it? |
| 20:14.33 | EdibleText | Sully, is this a new install? |
| 20:14.33 | MobyTurbo | !permasunday |
| 20:14.34 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 20:15.02 | Sully | EdibleText, yes |
| 20:15.19 | pusling | !paster |
| 20:15.19 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 20:15.20 | FlopsyPete | I'm trying to help someione over the telephone, I setup Debian on a good monitor before it left, now its trying to be run on a low end one, it looks like X is set to display with too high a setting for the monitor, they've changed the resoltion and colour depth to low settings in the config file but it still doesn't display, is there another place the resolution is set? |
| 20:15.42 | greycat | Sully> smtp, domain, httpd, rpcbind, netbios-ssn, micorsoft-ds |
| 20:15.50 | greycat | what the fuck .... those aren't packages. That's nmap shit. |
| 20:16.01 | Sully | greycat, no shit shirlock |
| 20:16.05 | Sully | those are the services open |
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| 20:16.07 | lobomufas | FlopsyPete: usually you only have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:16.11 | Sully | i never mentioned packages |
| 20:16.14 | Sully | i said services. |
| 20:16.18 | J_P | people, anyone here use motherboard Intel D915GEVL ? |
| 20:16.18 | stew | Sully: did you install potsentry or something? |
| 20:16.19 | netman1 | FlopsyPete: did they restart the xserver? |
| 20:16.22 | Sully | NO |
| 20:16.31 | Sully | they are services running on the damn'd box |
| 20:16.31 | FlopsyPete | netman1: yes |
| 20:16.34 | paster | "pusling" at 80.196.72.6 pasted "preferences" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/267 |
| 20:16.35 | Sully | and i want to remove them |
| 20:16.36 | EdibleText | Sully, if you are up for the learning experiance then perhaps fire up 'dselect' and choose which programs and services you dont want (or dont understand the use of) and remove them... dselect wont let you do anything *real* bad (unless you force it to) |
| 20:16.43 | stew | Sully: what process is listening on the micorsoft-ds |
| 20:16.47 | stew | ...port |
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| 20:16.53 | Sully | stew, how do i figure that out |
| 20:16.55 | greycat | "Hi, I'm nmap, the dancing paperclip of unix internet security! Huh huh huh! Here's a list of open ports. I can't tell what's running on them, but I'm going to tell you what some people LIKE to run on them and mislead you into thinking that's what you're actually running when, truth be told, there's no way I can tell! Ready? Here goes!" |
| 20:17.10 | stew | Sully: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 20:17.12 | pusling | Any one able to help me with apt-preferences. Everything are to be upgraded to experimental ;/ |
| 20:17.34 | Sully | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.40 | greycat | "Oh, and I'm going to make up words like 'filtered' and 'closed' and 'open' and pretend that they're actual terminology with some meaning rather than just cryptic words I made up to describe the results of my probes!" |
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| 20:17.44 | stew | Sully: netstat -plut | less |
| 20:17.48 | MobyTurbo | pusling: iydkys |
| 20:17.53 | EdibleText | did i do 'greycat be nmap paperclip' by mistake ? |
| 20:17.58 | pusling | MobyTurbo: huh ? |
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| 20:18.09 | MobyTurbo | pusling: If You Don't Know You Shouldn't |
| 20:18.09 | EdibleText | heh |
| 20:18.48 | Sully | stew, there are loads |
| 20:18.52 | Sully | what i dont understand is |
| 20:19.02 | Sully | i just told u what is running on the box.. |
| 20:19.06 | pusling | MobyTurbo: Normally I manual wget experimantal packages and dpkg -i them. It would make my day easier if I could apt-get install packagename/experimental. |
| 20:19.08 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 20:19.08 | Sully | smtp, domain, httpd, rpcbind, netbios-ssn, micorsoft-ds afpovertcp, ipp, netviewdm3, netgw, rndc, postgres.... |
| 20:19.09 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:19.20 | SDFH_Linux | when apt-get repository says the following signatures couldnt be verfied because the the public key is not available |
| 20:19.23 | stew | Sully: you told me what ports are open, not what processes are opening them |
| 20:19.25 | SDFH_Linux | what does mean? |
| 20:19.32 | oguz | i have a problem- f = pyssh.os.popen("dmesg | grep DVD", "r") and then i am using line = f.readline() and line.find() |
| 20:19.35 | stew | Sully: i'm trying to help you figure out what is opening the ports so you can remove the software |
| 20:19.45 | Sully | hrm ok |
| 20:19.49 | oguz | first i am searching for DVD |
| 20:19.54 | oguz | then DRW |
| 20:19.57 | stew | Sully: the last column in netstat -plut will tell you what process has the port open |
| 20:20.01 | oguz | till that part it works |
| 20:20.12 | greycat | this is why I *hate* nmap. not because nmap is flawed per se, but because every half-witted wannabe sysadmin runs it against their *local* machine and doesn't know what the fuck the output means. |
| 20:20.18 | gin_ | how can i denied permission's to an user ? |
| 20:20.29 | greycat | gin_: man chmod, man chgrp, man chown |
| 20:20.34 | Sully | stealth, named = 53, postmaster = 50, famd = 79 smbd = 67, lwresd = 96 nmbd = 65 |
| 20:20.36 | greycat | !wikifaq gin_ Permissions |
| 20:20.38 | dpkg | gin_: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:20.38 | oguz | but when i prompt for something like, it waits infinitelly, what could be the reson? |
| 20:20.50 | Sully | stew, 07 = portmap |
| 20:21.00 | greycat | um. |
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| 20:21.06 | zOap | !d-no |
| 20:21.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-no is Den norske debian kanalen #debian-no, for skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel for scandinavian users. #debian-no |
| 20:21.07 | gin_ | ty |
| 20:21.16 | greycat | port 7 is the echo service, not portmap. |
| 20:21.27 | Sully | well that is what netstat plunt says |
| 20:21.28 | greycat | (by default, at least... and I don't think portmap on a nonstandard port would be terribly useful) |
| 20:21.38 | MobyTurbo | Sully: /etc/services |
| 20:21.41 | stew | Sully: again, why did you install all that software if you didn't want it? |
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| 20:21.52 | Sully | stew i dunno |
| 20:21.58 | kab00m | hi folksss |
| 20:22.03 | Sully | can we just close them please |
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| 20:22.18 | greycat | Sully: remove the packages you don't want. |
| 20:22.22 | greycat | they are not doors. you can't close them. |
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| 20:22.32 | greycat | they don't have lids or hinges. |
| 20:22.59 | stew | Sully: remove bind9 or bind, samba-server and famd for starters |
| 20:23.00 | valdyn | Sully: look at the column for "Foreign Address", if that one does not include internet adresses then your services are also not reachable from there. |
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| 20:23.15 | MobyTurbo | Sully: we've told you to do "apt-get remove --purge" several times, if you can't figure that much out maybe you shouldn't run Debian. |
| 20:23.35 | valdyn | Sully: various port are best and usually not open to the internet, while still providing a service you might *need*, like famd for kde. |
| 20:23.38 | stew | Sully: "dpkg -S lwresd" would tell you what package installed whatever that is, apt-get remove that |
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| 20:24.01 | Sully | thanks |
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| 20:24.06 | SDFH_Linux | when apt-get repository says the following signatures couldnt be verfied because the the public key is not available |
| 20:24.09 | SDFH_Linux | what does mean? |
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| 20:24.43 | valdyn | SDFH_Linux: that you upgraded your apt-get in sid w/o reading the changelog? |
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| 20:25.17 | ArcSine | what do i have to install to be able to see chinese text in kde? |
| 20:25.50 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 20:25.55 | valdyn | ArcSine: probably all you have to do is install chinese fonts, not sure. |
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| 20:26.04 | ArcSine | valdyn: how? |
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| 20:26.11 | SDFH_Linux | valdyn is apt-get repositories of marillat |
| 20:26.17 | ke6isf | Just finished an install of Sarge this morning, and unfortunately I can't get XFree to acknowledge anything better than 800x600x24b. Note that the server is the atir server (running an ATI Rage 128), and have run xf86config. |
| 20:26.21 | greycat | !bless sparr_ |
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| 20:26.27 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child sparr_, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 20:26.36 | ke6isf | Any other info I should provide? |
| 20:26.39 | valdyn | ArcSine: apt-cache search "ttf\- chinese" |
| 20:26.53 | stew | ke6isf: don't use xf86conifg; /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 20:27.05 | ArcSine | valdyn: nothing |
| 20:27.20 | evilstoy | !blame cheap power supplies |
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| 20:27.32 | dmatrix7 | anyone have any idea wtf is going on with debian-security? ie. security fixes for Sarge |
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| 20:27.43 | ke6isf | stew: Thanks, I'll give that a whirl. |
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| 20:27.51 | dmatrix7 | like SA remote dos fix, sudo, wget, etc |
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| 20:28.17 | Adam | hi there |
| 20:28.23 | valdyn | ArcSine: try 'apt-cache search "ttf\-" | grep -i chinese' |
| 20:28.28 | Adam | I'm looking for some help on a spanish into english translator... |
| 20:28.39 | GlenneMannen | debian: installed exim 4.5 but instead of 1 configfile it uses like 10 can I install the source and use my old exim 4.5 conffile? |
| 20:28.45 | Adam | let me explain.. |
| 20:28.54 | Adam | I wrote a letter to send to members of the European Parliament to vote against software patents... |
| 20:29.08 | ArcSine | valdyn: thanks |
| 20:29.14 | Adam | I was wondering if someone was willing to traslate the letter into english and post it somewhere on the web.. e.g. a linux discussion forum |
| 20:29.33 | ke6isf | Incidentally, never quite caught this, but what does && do? |
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| 20:29.40 | Adam | I thought it could be useful so that english MEPs know that you are there not willing to accept software patents |
| 20:29.47 | netman1 | ke6isf: logical and |
| 20:29.57 | stew | Sully: dont' /msg me, keep it in the channel |
| 20:30.05 | ke6isf | netman1: in a bash line? =O.o= |
| 20:30.21 | stew | ke6isf: it has the effect of, do the next thing if the previous succeeded |
| 20:30.24 | EdibleText | ke6isf, do this && do that |
| 20:30.27 | Adam | the URL where the letter is posted is: |
| 20:30.33 | Falc | What packages should I install (/ do you recommend) if I want apache2 with php-support? |
| 20:30.36 | Eulex | Adam: maybe you could send that letter to the representatives of your country? after all, it is they who are gonna vote |
| 20:30.37 | ke6isf | Ah, ok, thanks stew. |
| 20:30.38 | netman1 | ke6isf: can be, other languages have it too |
| 20:30.42 | Sully | stew, ok.. so what now |
| 20:30.43 | valdyn | GlenneMannen: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, so no at the first question.. |
| 20:30.48 | Adam | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.49 | valdyn | GlenneMannen: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, say no at the first question.. |
| 20:30.55 | stew | Sully: what happened |
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| 20:31.02 | GlenneMannen | valdyn: ok thanks |
| 20:31.07 | stew | Sully: what does "didn't work" mean |
| 20:31.12 | Sully | stew, does not exist |
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| 20:32.04 | Adam | whoever is english |
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| 20:32.19 | Adam | MEPs e-mail addresses should be change as well |
| 20:32.29 | Adam | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.38 | Adam | as there only spanish MEPs' addresses are available |
| 20:32.40 | netman1 | Sully: you are about as generous with information as the cardinals when choosing a new pope. |
| 20:32.48 | stew | Sully: you did apt-get remove samba-server? maybe its called samba, i don't recall, remove whatever dpkg -S smbd says |
| 20:32.59 | Sully | k |
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| 20:33.39 | Adam | ok.. I guess this is none of your bussiness |
| 20:33.45 | Adam | thank you anyway |
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| 20:34.05 | maciek1245 | helo |
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| 20:36.45 | debeibwen | dpkg suggests www.linuxvideo.org: a dead link (DNS fails) |
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| 20:38.45 | Sully | greycat, what do u use to get these graphs: http://209.142.155.49/greycat.yi.org/graphs.cgi? |
| 20:38.51 | Eulex | !u |
| 20:38.51 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:38.54 | GlenneMannen | valdyn: where do it save the bunted configfile? |
| 20:38.55 | greycat | Sully: rrdtool |
| 20:39.07 | Sully | cool thanks |
| 20:39.25 | greycat | Sully: see http://209.142.155.49/greycat.yi.org/source/ and http://209.142.155.49/greycat.yi.org/oldsource/ |
| 20:39.38 | valdyn | GlenneMannen: didnt you read the text to that question? it sais /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
| 20:39.40 | Sully | i do dpkg -S smtp and remove the files it lists yet smtp is stil open? |
| 20:39.58 | greycat | Sully: you probably want to reconfigure exim4-config, not remove it. |
| 20:40.10 | Sully | already removed it :( |
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| 20:40.30 | greycat | what precisely did you remove? |
| 20:40.50 | Sully | exim4 |
| 20:40.53 | Sully | tcllib |
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| 20:41.13 | greycat | you removed exim4? that would probably take away a LOT of packages.... |
| 20:41.20 | greycat | cron, apache, ... |
| 20:41.31 | Sully | didnt seem to |
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| 20:41.35 | Sully | was only 20 od kb |
| 20:41.37 | greycat | it would have ASKED you to confirm. |
| 20:41.43 | Sully | i did |
| 20:41.44 | valdyn | Sully: in case you missed this, an open port doesnt mean that its a security hole, closing random ports to achieve security is silly |
| 20:41.52 | greycat | "20 od kb"? is that some foreign tongue? |
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| 20:42.06 | Sully | i just dont want any services running apart from sshd |
| 20:42.08 | stew | Sully: are you running debian? what version of debian? |
| 20:42.13 | Sully | greycat, it was around 20kb |
| 20:42.17 | valdyn | Sully: that _is_ silly |
| 20:42.18 | Sully | debian sarge |
| 20:42.19 | greycat | !info exim4 sarge |
| 20:42.21 | Sully | did a net install |
| 20:42.24 | Sully | valdyn, WHY? |
| 20:42.27 | dpkg | exim4: (metapackage to ease exim MTA (v4) installation), section mail, is important. Version: 4.50-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 20:42.28 | asuffield | greycat: now I remember why I always found rrdtool incomprehensible |
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| 20:42.38 | greycat | ah. it's just a metapackage. |
| 20:42.46 | greycat | !depends exim4 sarge |
| 20:42.47 | Sully | im using debian for a coding box nothing more nothing less, alls i will be doing with it is ssh'ing into it and coding. |
| 20:42.49 | dpkg | exim4: depends on exim4-base (>= 4.50), exim4-daemon-light | exim4-daemon-heavy | exim4-daemon-custom |
| 20:42.57 | greycat | "alls".... sheesh. |
| 20:43.04 | valdyn | Sully: b/c there is various services that your system *needs*, period |
| 20:43.12 | Sully | pfft |
| 20:43.15 | greycat | Sully: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 20:43.20 | Sully | k |
| 20:43.28 | tarzeau | !mouse is also http://www.jahns-arpke.de/Privat/Bautagebuch_/Bautagebuch_mit_Fotos/15_05_2004/Maus.JPG |
| 20:43.29 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 20:43.30 | greycat | tell it not to listen on anything but loopback |
| 20:43.43 | Sully | ok |
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| 20:44.48 | Sully | greycat, done |
| 20:44.55 | sewi | I've installed the sources of gnuplot with: apt-get install source gnuplot, how to remove the source deb package and not the binary one? |
| 20:45.04 | JohnnyST | Hi about Xorg was it done modular now so that in the next relase of Xorg so would there be a chanse of making it into debian? |
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| 20:45.16 | greycat | JohnnyST: /topic |
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| 20:45.39 | valdyn | sewi: you installed ( or tried to install ) "source" and "gnuplot", grabbing gnuplots source would be "apt-get source gnuplot" |
| 20:46.13 | zedder | How do I remove a package with all it's dependencies remove? The options I've seen only remove the base program and leave the libraries... ? |
| 20:46.40 | sewi | valdyn, sorry, I've done apt-get source gnuplot and I want to remove the sources |
| 20:46.44 | justin | zedder: always use aptitude and it will do that thing automatically |
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| 20:46.47 | Thor- | installing a new sarge server. only base system installed + the packes that get installed after reboot. Trying to ssh to the machine to finnish the install but are not allowed. can't find any option in the sshd_config that should prevent me to do so. do I ned to add something to the default config file to be able to log in remotly? |
| 20:47.03 | valdyn | sewi: sources are downloaded and extracted in your current directory, so go there and rm -r gnuplot* |
| 20:47.10 | justin | Thor-: what does "are not allowed" mean? |
| 20:47.10 | drac | Sarge is released? I'm using Sid and I'd like to downgrade it to latest Stable. I've also heard you can apt-get install latest kde with X.Org CVS easily? My non-us lines isn't working, and i'd really like to private message everybody.. |
| 20:47.28 | quitte | JohnnyST: i never heard that the modularization is stopping trhe inclusion in debian |
| 20:47.34 | valdyn | sewi: there's no gnuplot-source.deb of any kind. |
| 20:47.43 | Sully | greycat, how do i stop rpcbind, afpowertcp, ipp, netviewdm3 and netgw? |
| 20:47.57 | liquid_ | guess this aint normal: www-data 16 0 0 0 0 Z 0.3 0.0 0:00.01 apache2 <defunct> |
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| 20:48.12 | liquid_ | what should I do |
| 20:48.13 | liquid_ | ? |
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| 20:48.25 | quitte | JohnnyST: and modular xorg wont be ready too soon. mid to late august was an estimation i was told some weeks ago. |
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| 20:48.42 | valdyn | Sully: you want to disable printing? |
| 20:48.50 | Sully | yes |
| 20:48.51 | justin | !tell Sully about open ports |
| 20:48.51 | zedder | Thanks justin which is better remove or purge in aptitude? I want a clean uninstall of the applications. |
| 20:48.52 | drac | quitte: Link in /topic of #xorg tells it September. |
| 20:48.52 | Sully | i dont need it |
| 20:49.00 | Thor- | justin: I am not allowed to log in "unable to authenticate using any of the configured auhentication methods." |
| 20:49.01 | drac | it's |
| 20:49.02 | Sully | like i said |
| 20:49.08 | Sully | i dont need ANY services apart from sshd |
| 20:49.23 | Sully | i have other boxes doing that. |
| 20:49.31 | valdyn | Sully: apt-get remove --purge cupsys |
| 20:49.33 | quitte | drac oh. i'd better read the links,too next time |
| 20:49.33 | justin | Thor-: use a valid username and password then |
| 20:49.42 | sewi | valdyn, ok thanks I've removed them and downloaded again this is what i wanted |
| 20:49.47 | Thor- | justin: with woody I installed ssh and enabled server and I was able to log in. no change int the config was nessesary |
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| 20:50.05 | drac | http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-modular/2005-June/000414.html |
| 20:50.08 | JohnnyST | quitte: Ok thanks. |
| 20:50.13 | paulswm | I need a pointer to a reference for turning off an LCD backlight, presumably via acpi, and turning it on again. I'm running non-X, so I'm looking to turn it off in the console. The laptop is a Dell Inspiron 1100. Googling isn't giving me a lot of joy (at least so far). I'm sure xscreensaver will do it, but I don't want to install X just to turn off a backlight. |
| 20:50.17 | Sully | valdyn, what about netgw, ipp, netviewdm3? |
| 20:50.32 | greycat | Sully: find out what's listening on those ports. remov eit. |
| 20:50.45 | valdyn | Sully: ipp was cupsys ( unless you put something else there manually ) |
| 20:50.51 | greycat | gods, netgw isn't even in services. |
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| 20:51.03 | greycat | who knows what asscrack nmap pulled that name out of... |
| 20:51.04 | vaka | hy everyone, valdyn how are you? |
| 20:51.12 | Sully | ok |
| 20:51.22 | asuffield | greycat: nmap has a built-in copy of a services file |
| 20:51.28 | asuffield | greycat: yes, piece of crap |
| 20:51.35 | justin | asuffield: no, it has /usr/share/nmap/nmap-services |
| 20:51.45 | Chris|`` | hey can anyone help.. i aint using the graphical interface on my box.. but all the writing went "wierd" and i pressed sumthing ... and its just scrolling loads of "<" |
| 20:51.45 | Sully | nmap is good |
| 20:51.49 | Chris|`` | very fast |
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| 20:51.55 | asuffield | justin: what I just said |
| 20:51.56 | justin | Sully: yes, but clueless people using it is bad |
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| 20:52.02 | Sully | lol |
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| 20:52.07 | valdyn | nmap is "good" to scare paranoid cluebies, that's it =p |
| 20:52.11 | greycat | nmap is pretty useless when you point it at yourself. |
| 20:52.19 | justin | asuffield: it is not "built in" as "compiled into the binary" you can always remove it and link /etc/services to it :-) |
| 20:52.23 | vaka | got a question: what is the default azureus port? i've been told that if it's blocked i will get a pretty bad downlaod speed |
| 20:52.25 | greycat | it tells you a whole hell of a lot less than "lsof -i -n" does. |
| 20:52.25 | Sully | greycat, howso? |
| 20:52.29 | greycat | !open ports |
| 20:52.30 | dpkg | [open ports] netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
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| 20:52.47 | justin | vaka: azureus is bittorrent, go read the bittorrent documentation |
| 20:53.08 | vaka | ok, thanx |
| 20:53.11 | greycat | vaka: it's a range of about 10 ports by default. |
| 20:53.17 | Chris|`` | hey can anyone help.. i aint using the graphical interface on my box.. but all the writing went "wierd" and i pressed sumthing ... and its just scrolling loads of "<" .. and it wont stop.. any help wud be gr8 :( |
| 20:53.22 | valdyn | vaka: or you could just change the port in your azureus, there's no need to sue the default port. |
| 20:53.28 | valdyn | s/sue/use/ |
| 20:53.30 | greycat | heh |
| 20:53.33 | Sully | azureus uses 1 port |
| 20:53.34 | justin | greycat: and even less than netstat -plunt |
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| 20:53.45 | Chris|`` | omg.. "print scrn" stopped it :p |
| 20:53.47 | asuffield | justin: it's built-in as in "it has its own list and doesn't use NSS like a proper fucking program should". NSS isn't tied to using a file |
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| 20:54.29 | justin | asuffield: well, /etc/services is very incomplete compared to the nmap version |
| 20:54.40 | deadf1zh | any idea how to do a firewalling with iptables so that my server-box would be connected to internet and i could use my desktop with server-box firewalling also it's connections. (and a nipping ascii-picture to ease the explanation: desktop <--> server <--> internet) |
| 20:54.45 | asuffield | justin: and the nmap version contains much bullshit compared to /etc/services |
| 20:54.53 | Chris|`` | ok can anyone help me with this now.. asll my writing is messed up .. i aint using the graphical interface.. the writing its just squares and lines and stuff.. the only thing i see to make sense is "@192:-$" |
| 20:54.56 | greycat | why would you WANT nmap to translate port numbers into useless names? |
| 20:55.02 | EdibleText | !be nmap paperclip |
| 20:55.02 | dpkg | "Hi, I'm nmap, the dancing paperclip of unix internet security! Huh huh huh! Here's a list of open ports. I can't tell what's running on them, but I'm going to tell you what some people LIKE to run on them and mislead you into thinking that's what you're actually running when, truth be told, there's no way I can tell! Ready? Here goes!" |
| 20:55.08 | deadf1zh | maybe nat or so? |
| 20:55.22 | justin | greycat: saves you time researching what the port names are? it is only occasionally wrong |
| 20:55.29 | xsdg | EdibleText: heh |
| 20:55.30 | asuffield | it's wrong pretty often |
| 20:55.34 | greycat | justin: I beg to differ. NFS. |
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| 20:55.46 | asuffield | greycat: generally the same reason that you wanted to use nmap in the first place |
| 20:55.51 | asuffield | greycat: the word 'idiot' is involved |
| 20:55.59 | greycat | NFS is *particularly* bad, because the user wonders "what the fuck is this lavalamp service" when it's really NFS on a randomly selected port |
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| 20:56.28 | greycat | and as soon as you use lsof or netstat you can see that it's actually rpc.mountd or whatever. "Oh. NFS." |
| 20:56.33 | EdibleText | my lavalamp port is closed (according to nmap) |
| 20:56.53 | Triffid_Hunter | deadf1zh: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j DROP && iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE -- where 'eth0' is the interface that connects your server to the net. then you set your desktop's default route (gateway) to the server's lan ip, and copy the server's /etc/resolv.conf and you should be good to go |
| 20:56.55 | Sully | greycat, why do i need exm4 installed if i dont use mail on the debian box? |
| 20:57.14 | resiak | Who wants to make !why do i need an mta ? |
| 20:57.15 | myren | wow, amd's flash sector is the UN-profitable one for once. my how the tables have turned. |
| 20:57.24 | valdyn | Sully: cron uses mail, anacron uses mail, debconf can use mail |
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| 20:57.29 | Sully | k |
| 20:57.47 | greycat | (Yes, there is a special circle of hell reserved for Sun Microsystems engineers who made services listen on random ports. It's right next to the pit of horror reserved for the people who devised FTP's ass-backward client-listens-as-a-server default implementation.) |
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| 20:58.08 | Triffid_Hunter | deadf1zh: oh wait make that first one iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state ! ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j DROP |
| 20:58.14 | stew | greycat: it makes it more secure if you run it on a random port |
| 20:58.18 | stew | *wink* *wink* |
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| 20:58.32 | greycat | stew: security through massive confusion? |
| 20:58.39 | stew | something like that |
| 20:59.05 | concept10 | resiak, !to route those cute little packets from around the net into your users mailbox so they may open and browse viruses |
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| 20:59.47 | greycat | concept10: no no no... for "e-cards" so the spammers get two addresses at once, *plus* a confirmation of when you hit their web site to see the e-card. |
| 21:00.23 | Chris|`` | ok can anyone help me with this now.. asll my writing is messed up .. i aint using the graphical interface.. the writing its just squares and lines and stuff.. the only thing i see to make sense is "@192:-$" |
| 21:00.29 | concept10 | greycat, heh. |
| 21:00.42 | greycat | Chris|``: try the "reset" command, for starters. |
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| 21:00.46 | turing | hey all |
| 21:00.51 | turing | is there a single apt-get I can use |
| 21:00.58 | Chris|`` | frig that grey.. i aint losing my 110days uptime :p |
| 21:01.03 | turing | to install all the normal build tools like g++ gcc make and dpkg-source ? |
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| 21:01.03 | greycat | Chris|``: it's not reboot. |
| 21:01.04 | tell | i've installed kernel 2.6.12 and latest nvidia kernel module and so on, still i get the 'no screens found' error. i havent installed rivafb in kernel. what could be wrong? |
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| 21:01.13 | valdyn | !reset |
| 21:01.17 | Chris|`` | oh.. so servers and stuff will stay open? |
| 21:01.24 | stew | Chris|``: it just resets the terminal |
| 21:01.27 | valdyn | Chris|``: type 'man reset' |
| 21:01.29 | Chris|`` | sweet |
| 21:01.31 | deadf1zh | Triffid_Hunter, hmm ok. but how can my box recognize what packages are meant for the server and what for the desktop behind the server? |
| 21:01.41 | Chris|`` | writings in jiberish .. it wnt help lol |
| 21:01.51 | Chris|`` | sorted :D |
| 21:01.54 | Chris|`` | omg you guys own |
| 21:02.11 | EdibleText | we have paypal accounts too |
| 21:02.18 | Triffid_Hunter | deadf1zh: the masquerade entry tells conntrack to do the originator lookup when packets come back.. |
| 21:02.19 | deadf1zh | Triffid_Hunter, fe. both of them use :80. server uses them because of apache2, and desktop because of it's opera-client or so |
| 21:02.25 | greycat | Chris|``: I figured it was about a 50/50 chance of working |
| 21:02.27 | Chris|`` | rofl edibletext |
| 21:02.29 | J_P | hey all, anyone here use motherboard Intel D915GEVL ? |
| 21:02.32 | deadf1zh | Triffid_Hunter, ok. thank you very much :) |
| 21:02.37 | Chris|`` | thanks greycat dude |
| 21:03.06 | valdyn | tell: /msg dpkg noscreensfound |
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| 21:03.32 | turing | can anyone help me? |
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| 21:03.37 | turing | I'm sure this is totally easy |
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| 21:03.53 | TheHack | Hola |
| 21:03.58 | turing | is there a metapackage that will install all the standard build tools like g++ gcc make and dpkg-source ? |
| 21:04.04 | greycat | !b-e |
| 21:04.05 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 21:04.19 | greycat | not sure about dpkg-source... |
| 21:04.24 | valdyn | turing: apt-get install build-essential g++ dpkg-dev |
| 21:04.33 | turing | cool! |
| 21:04.45 | turing | checking... |
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| 21:05.08 | turing | whee |
| 21:05.11 | turing | that bit worked ;) |
| 21:05.21 | turing | coo ;) |
| 21:05.51 | prplstarlette | ok..i followed the instructions on how to install java on debian and i just get an error |
| 21:06.12 | turing | ah |
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| 21:06.15 | turing | and debhelper |
| 21:06.28 | turing | which wants all kinds of other crap |
| 21:06.28 | turing | cool |
| 21:06.30 | prplstarlette | No matching plugins found |
| 21:06.40 | turing | whee |
| 21:06.42 | turing | it's building |
| 21:06.58 | drac | J_P: Let me guess.. you are having problems with integrated glx card on it? |
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| 21:07.51 | pearl | hi |
| 21:07.53 | pearl | :) |
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| 21:08.00 | pearl | 852 nicks there :D |
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| 21:08.55 | pearl | hi weasel |
| 21:09.07 | weasel | moo |
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| 21:09.41 | pearl | weasel: am i right if i say this is the biggets debian channel? |
| 21:09.44 | prplstarlette | i am trying to install the newest version of java on debian and i followed the instructions i have found on several websites but I keep getting the error "No matching plugin was found" when i do fakeroot make-jpkg <package>.bin |
| 21:10.22 | shingouz | prplstarlette: /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:10.27 | prplstarlette | i did |
| 21:10.35 | prplstarlette | i followed the instructions and still get the same error |
| 21:10.35 | drac | prplstarlette: What's the name of that .bin, like _exactly_? |
| 21:10.47 | FlopsyPete | dkpg-reconfig xfre86-common says "system startup link 4 /etc/init.d/xfree86-common already exists | setting up xserver socket directory /tmp/.X11-unix done | setting up ICE socket directory /tmp/.ICE-unix done" rather than asking questions about how to configure X. is this normal? |
| 21:10.51 | prplstarlette | jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin |
| 21:11.06 | resiak | !drxx FlopsyPete |
| 21:11.07 | dpkg | FlopsyPete: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 21:11.11 | stew | prplstarlette: its likely that make-jpkg hasn't yet been updated for the latest jre |
| 21:11.21 | J_P | drac: not.. when i install debian kernel -image SMP machine are slowest |
| 21:11.21 | pearl | prplstarlette: do you want java for using in ur browser? |
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| 21:11.31 | weasel | pearl: probably |
| 21:11.32 | prplstarlette | yes pearl...i wanna play on pogo but need java |
| 21:11.39 | FlopsyPete | resiak: thanks. I'll relay that down the fone |
| 21:11.49 | stew | prplstarlette: use an older jre for now |
| 21:12.00 | pearl | prplstarlette: have u get the java package from java.sun.com? |
| 21:12.06 | drac | prplstarlette: Worked for me on jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin. |
| 21:12.14 | prplstarlette | yes...that's where i downloaded it |
| 21:12.28 | pearl | weasel: i see :) |
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| 21:12.31 | prplstarlette | where can i find older java .bin then |
| 21:12.41 | tell | can anyone help me with this: FATAL: error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.12/nvidia/nvidia.ko): no such device |
| 21:13.02 | pearl | tell: u load the false module for ur hardware? |
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| 21:13.15 | tell | pearl : i dont know, dont think so |
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| 21:13.30 | pearl | tell: you have nvidia graphik chip? |
| 21:13.39 | tell | pearl: but that is what modprobe nvidia tells me |
| 21:14.18 | tell | pearl : i've checked everything out in menuconfig that resembles such a thing.. |
| 21:14.27 | pearl | tell: a selfmade kernel? |
| 21:14.36 | tell | pearl : yes, yes |
| 21:14.40 | resiak | tell: Do you have an old chip and have just updated? |
| 21:14.50 | tell | resiak : ti4200 |
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| 21:14.54 | pearl | have you build the module nvidia? does the given file exist? |
| 21:14.58 | resiak | tell: Is that old? |
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| 21:15.04 | GlenneMannen | how can I see where a packege installs itself to? |
| 21:15.12 | stew | GlenneMannen: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 21:15.14 | prplstarlette | ok now i can see why debian isn't recommended for newbies lol |
| 21:15.16 | tell | resiak : ive just reinstalled debian sarge and wanted newest kernel |
| 21:15.21 | resiak | tell: Why? |
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| 21:15.34 | tell | resiak : ive just reinstalled debian sarge and wanted and, consequently, newest nvidia drivers |
| 21:15.36 | resiak | tell: Did it work with the old kernel? |
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| 21:15.50 | tell | resiak : with the stadart sarge one, yes |
| 21:16.02 | FlopsyPete | resiak: why run that in particular, rathe than xfree86-common? |
| 21:16.03 | resiak | tell: You used nvidia-installer rather than the Debian way, didn't you? |
| 21:16.14 | tell | resiak : no.. |
| 21:16.24 | resiak | FlopsyPete: Because that's the one you're trying to configure? |
| 21:16.49 | resiak | tell: Why not use a kernel version that wasn't released literally days ago? |
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| 21:17.09 | tell | resiak : for fun |
| 21:17.13 | resiak | tell: Well, given that the new one _doesn't_ work and the older ones _do_... |
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| 21:17.26 | FlopsyPete | resiak: ok; but it seems complicated :) its asking what bus identifier we're on, which we don't know how to answer as there's no option for AGP |
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| 21:17.47 | resiak | FlopsyPete: You didn't read the previous page, which says you can leave it blank. |
| 21:17.51 | tell | resiak : i was hoping it would work somehow, guess ill go back to windows |
| 21:18.04 | resiak | tell: Or just USE AN OLDER KERNEL WHICH WORKS |
| 21:18.10 | FlopsyPete | resiak: ok, I'll try that |
| 21:18.19 | thorie | how can i upload a set of files to an ftp site with user/pass automatically? can "wget" do this? Some other utility? |
| 21:18.29 | kimda | hi. i am running debian sid and when i su and later use the suspend command the shell hangs. Any ideas? |
| 21:18.30 | resiak | Damnit, what's with the "newer is always betterer!!!11" mentality? |
| 21:18.36 | stew | thorie: ncftpput |
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| 21:18.53 | tell | resiak : if you dont know an anwser to my question you can say so |
| 21:18.57 | prplstarlette | newer doesn't always mean better |
| 21:19.03 | thorie | stew: thanks! |
| 21:19.12 | prplstarlette | yeah it could've fixed bugs...but it will have its own bugs too |
| 21:19.21 | GlenneMannen | is there a way to find out what package I run as a specific service at a port |
| 21:19.47 | prplstarlette | just go with an older kernel until they fix bugs in the new kernel |
| 21:19.57 | resiak | tell: My answer is "The nvidia binary drivers probably don't work with 2.6.12, and this should be no surprise. I suggest using 2.6.8 which came with Sarge unless you need another one, because it WORKS." |
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| 21:20.13 | stew | GlenneMannen: netstat -plunt to find out what is listening to a port, dpkg -S filename to find out what pkg owns a file |
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| 21:23.13 | prplstarlette | im not even using the newest kernel..im using 2.6.11 |
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| 21:26.28 | toptnc | hi all |
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| 21:28.17 | thorie | how do i check what files have changed since the last time i checked when the files have changed? |
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| 21:29.12 | deadf1zh | where could i see my open outgoing/incoming connections? |
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| 21:29.23 | thorie | deadf1zh: netstat ? |
| 21:29.24 | tarzeau | thorie: stat somefile ? |
| 21:29.53 | GlenneMannen | ERROR: Your server doesn't allow plaintext logins. Try enabling another authentication mechanism like CRAM-MD5, DIGEST-MD5 or TLS-encryption .... when trying to access the uw-imap |
| 21:29.58 | tarzeau | thorie: /win 3 |
| 21:30.00 | thorie | tarzeau: i'm trying to getnerate a list |
| 21:30.46 | stew | thorie: info find ; look at mtime |
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| 21:31.06 | furrywolf | found USB scanner (vendor=0x066b [LINKSYS Inc.], product=0x2203 [LINKSYS USB Adapter]) at libusb:001:007 |
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| 21:32.08 | netman1 | deadf1zh: /proc/net/ip_conntrack |
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| 21:32.42 | varnua | hey, anyone around here handy with building custom apache packages |
| 21:32.52 | resiak | #apache ? |
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| 21:33.22 | stew | varnua: /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg source |
| 21:33.22 | varnua | I'm running into problems where make install is actually installing apache to the local machine via src/helpers/install.sh |
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| 21:33.54 | varnua | stew: is 1.3.33 source debianized somewhere? |
| 21:34.18 | stew | varnua: yes, apt-get source apache will fetch it |
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| 21:34.32 | stew | varnua: (provided you have a deb-src line in your sources.list) |
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| 21:34.45 | prplstarlette | oooo so that's what the deb-src line is |
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| 21:34.59 | varnua | hrm, it brought in 1.3.26 |
| 21:35.00 | varnua | :P |
| 21:35.07 | varnua | perhaps it's old, I'll check |
| 21:35.15 | stew | varnua: you are running woody? |
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| 21:35.22 | prplstarlette | sometimes you need to update your sources |
| 21:35.25 | varnua | stew: in theory |
| 21:35.25 | stew | varnua: why not upgrade to sarge, now that it has been released |
| 21:35.34 | stew | varnua: how does that theory go? |
| 21:35.41 | mwe | isn't the default group as set with usermod -g supposed to decide what group a new file is owned by? |
| 21:35.43 | varnua | or rather, it's supposed to be up to sarge by now but it wasn't up to me |
| 21:35.49 | FrdFlint | is there a command to force my cdrom to umount? keeps saying its busy |
| 21:35.57 | stew | !info apache sarge |
| 21:35.59 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.33-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 374 kB, Installed size: 700 kB |
| 21:36.21 | stew | varnua: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 21:36.23 | varnua | guess that makes sense |
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| 21:36.31 | stew | !info apache woody |
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| 21:36.56 | carbon60 | Evening all. |
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| 21:37.03 | difeta | where can i find out how to redirect traffic from a port on my firewall to an internal machine without changeing the packets? |
| 21:37.13 | carbon60 | Where do I stick something to prevent dhcpcd from setting default route? |
| 21:37.57 | Triffid_Hunter | carbon60: man dhcpcd should tell you |
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| 21:38.32 | carbon60 | Triffid_Hunter: Indeed. It doesn't seem to have a default config file though, which I'm assuming to mean that the if-up hooks are calling it with arguments instead. No? |
| 21:39.05 | stew | carbon60: did you check /usr/share/doc/dhcpcd? |
| 21:39.17 | carbon60 | Hrm. |
| 21:39.38 | stew | difeta: you mean a bridging firewall? |
| 21:40.04 | furrywolf | hrmm. sometime between now and when I last used this scanner (about a year ago), either my scanner or sane has died. |
| 21:40.30 | furrywolf | it scans previews just fine, but any attempt to scan ends up with a hung scanimage and the ready light on the scanner blinking forever |
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| 21:41.00 | carbon60 | Wait, default is dhclient, isn't it? |
| 21:41.16 | furrywolf | and google is not being helpful. :) |
| 21:41.26 | turing | hm |
| 21:41.37 | turing | any idea what could be blocking external axccess to port 80 on a machine? |
| 21:41.40 | turing | iptables is empty |
| 21:41.48 | turing | the webserver is not configured to deny connections |
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| 21:41.52 | stew | turing: your isp? |
| 21:41.54 | turing | I can see it locally with lynx no problem |
| 21:41.56 | furrywolf | turing: your ISP. |
| 21:41.57 | turing | nope |
| 21:42.01 | turing | I control the ISP ;) |
| 21:42.14 | mwe | I don't get it. I do sudo usermod -g admin mwe; touch foo and foo is owned by mwe:mwe |
| 21:42.27 | stew | turing: you see it listening on the correct interface with netstat? |
| 21:42.29 | mwe | vipw confirms the change |
| 21:42.38 | turing | stew: yeah |
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| 21:42.44 | turing | and lynx localhost works like a charm |
| 21:42.46 | stew | turing: then its something firewalling in between |
| 21:42.50 | turing | yep |
| 21:42.52 | turing | but no iptables |
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| 21:42.59 | turing | is there some new sarge stuff that I don't know about? |
| 21:43.00 | stew | turing: yes, some other machine |
| 21:43.07 | turing | well, yeah ;) |
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| 21:43.23 | turing | ok - i.e. there is no new sarge packet filter |
| 21:43.28 | Stevie[FP] | lol |
| 21:43.31 | turing | and no other default mysterious packet filtering magic |
| 21:43.32 | turing | ;) |
| 21:44.02 | turing | heh |
| 21:44.21 | turing | few people understand the origins of my nick |
| 21:44.55 | Overand | alan turing? |
| 21:44.56 | Overand | are you gay? |
| 21:44.56 | Eulex | turing, alan turing? |
| 21:44.57 | Overand | =] |
| 21:45.01 | Eulex | haha |
| 21:45.06 | turing | heh |
| 21:45.17 | difeta | stew whats firewall bridging? |
| 21:45.18 | turing | no, but I was brought up by a whole pack of gay wolves |
| 21:45.23 | Overand | i knew about alan turing *way* before cryptonomicon hit the shelves and made him more widely known in the pop culture scene |
| 21:45.28 | furrywolf | argh! this is getting very annoying. I know the scanner worked. I know sane supported it. the question is why, not, it doesn't work! |
| 21:45.31 | turing | heh |
| 21:45.36 | turing | um |
| 21:45.39 | turing | wft is atd? |
| 21:45.44 | Stevie[FP] | at daemon |
| 21:45.45 | paulswm | turing: Judging by your constant use of the enter key, I'd say you were failing the test named similarly to your nick. |
| 21:45.47 | Stevie[FP] | you know crond? |
| 21:45.52 | Overand | paulswm: haha. harsh. |
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| 21:46.05 | prplstarlette | argh...drac...that didn't work either |
| 21:46.09 | furrywolf | the scanner has been sitting happily on my table for the last year, unplugged, so I assume it hasn't failed. so I'll assume it's more likely sane has broken it. |
| 21:46.12 | paulswm | Overand: Well, sometimes you gotta say it :) |
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| 21:46.31 | stew | difeta: bridge.sf.net |
| 21:46.44 | turing | stevie: yeah, of course ;) |
| 21:46.48 | Stevie[FP] | Someone in another channel just mentioned the existence of a Gentoo livecd |
| 21:46.49 | prplstarlette | go to the flood channel drac and i'll post what the error is |
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| 21:47.02 | difeta | stew thanks |
| 21:47.06 | Stevie[FP] | I can only imagine that the primary benefit of this CD is that it takes 36 hours to boot up |
| 21:47.07 | covux | hi. anyone checked the nvidia packages in experimental? did they work? |
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| 21:47.12 | turing | heh, maybe one would say of course about atd |
| 21:47.12 | drac | prplstarlette: That's odd, i've done 'fakeroot make-jpkg' on Sarge for that same .bin succesfully. |
| 21:47.15 | furrywolf | Stevie[FP]: LOL |
| 21:47.20 | Stevie[FP] | ;) |
| 21:47.27 | prplstarlette | can I pm you drac? |
| 21:47.39 | Stevie[FP] | Well, clearly it has to initially compile gcc+binutils for your specific arch |
| 21:47.45 | prplstarlette | i might be missing a package needed to do it |
| 21:47.51 | carbon60 | Indeed, I was confused. |
| 21:47.53 | turing | oh ewww |
| 21:47.54 | Stevie[FP] | Anyone here who has done this knows that this process alone takes many hours |
| 21:47.56 | carbon60 | My Sarge system uses dhclient. |
| 21:48.03 | turing | it's a schedule task manager that will take arbitrary comands? |
| 21:48.09 | Stevie[FP] | turing: yeah |
| 21:48.13 | carbon60 | Which has no option in dhclient.conf to prevent it from setting a default route. ?? |
| 21:48.18 | prplstarlette | Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk.sh |
| 21:48.18 | prplstarlette | No matching plugin was found. |
| 21:48.18 | prplstarlette | Removing temporary directory: done |
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| 21:48.22 | Stevie[FP] | ~$ at 'now + 30 minutes' ls |
| 21:48.24 | carbon60 | Any ideas what I should to? Use a different client? |
| 21:48.26 | turing | omg does anyone else think that's an incredibly bad idea on a default install? |
| 21:48.52 | turing | is it safe to remove? |
| 21:48.53 | Stevie[FP] | carbon60: the default route isn't being set by dhclient, I believe it's being set when it configures the interface |
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| 21:49.11 | Stevie[FP] | carbon60: What you can try to do is have it ignore the 'default gateway' option that comes back |
| 21:49.26 | carbon60 | Stevie[FP]: Looks like it's in /etc/dhclient-script |
| 21:49.33 | carbon60 | Stevie[FP]: Sound right to you? |
| 21:49.51 | carbon60 | Stevie[FP]: I could just edit that file, which seems a little kludgy though. |
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| 21:50.24 | prplstarlette | ok...im starting to hate debian politics |
| 21:50.40 | turing | that's what killed netbsd |
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| 21:50.48 | resiak | turing: Why is it so bad? |
| 21:50.57 | turing | resiak? |
| 21:51.00 | resiak | turing? |
| 21:51.01 | turing | politics or atd? |
| 21:51.03 | davem | netbsd is dead? |
| 21:51.04 | turing | :) |
| 21:51.08 | resiak | turing: atd |
| 21:51.17 | rbochan | blah |
| 21:51.19 | turing | resiak: I try to run only what I _need_ and _use_ |
| 21:51.19 | mwe | isn't usermod -g supposed to change the default group? |
| 21:51.25 | resiak | turing: It's no worse than cron. |
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| 21:51.37 | turing | can only root talk to ATD? |
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| 21:51.53 | mosher | I'm having a problem booting Debian could someone please help |
| 21:51.55 | mwe | because I do usermod -g admin mwe; touch foo and foo is still mwe:mwe |
| 21:52.03 | resiak | turing: Anyone can schedule things with atd, just like cron. |
| 21:52.16 | caphuso | unless /etc/at.* are used |
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| 21:52.33 | resiak | turing: But it's no worse than writing a program that forks into the background and sleeps until a certain time. |
| 21:52.38 | resiak | caphuso: Point. |
| 21:52.48 | turing | resiak: right, which if I don't do or need |
| 21:52.57 | turing | then I would rather not have something I don't use running, waiting ;) |
| 21:52.58 | resiak | turing: So get rid of it! |
| 21:53.00 | mosher | jim: are you around |
| 21:53.10 | turing | heh - I was asking if it is safe to remove |
| 21:53.24 | turing | i.e. postfix doesn't depend on it or something |
| 21:53.25 | caphuso | safe yes. useful no |
| 21:53.27 | turing | dsoubt it ;) |
| 21:53.33 | resiak | turing: I asked you what was so bad about it, which is a different question. |
| 21:53.33 | paulswm | !tell mosher about ask |
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| 21:53.44 | turing | resiak: ah, nothing except the concept |
| 21:53.50 | turing | but that's the beauty of apt |
| 21:53.56 | resiak | turing: What's wrong with the concept?! |
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| 21:54.22 | turing | resiak: floating scheduled tasks |
| 21:54.25 | stew | mwe: you would need to logout and back in before teh usermod -g made a difference; you can use newgrp admin |
| 21:54.25 | Stevie[FP] | eh |
| 21:54.25 | caphuso | resiak: scheduling tasks is too complicated for a mere mortal, didn't you get the memo? :) |
| 21:54.26 | mosher | paulswm: what do you mean |
| 21:54.28 | Stevie[FP] | carbon60 |
| 21:54.34 | resiak | caphuso: Ah, right, sorry. :) |
| 21:54.38 | carbon60 | Eh? |
| 21:54.43 | resiak | turing: Whatever. |
| 21:54.44 | Stevie[FP] | try: supersede routers ""; |
| 21:54.47 | resiak | *pouff!* |
| 21:54.48 | turing | wow |
| 21:54.49 | Stevie[FP] | in your dhclient.conf |
| 21:54.54 | directhex | prplstarlette, you mean the fact that sun make it illegal for debian to distribute their proprietary code? |
| 21:54.55 | Stevie[FP] | see if that fixes it |
| 21:54.57 | carbon60 | Thanks! |
| 21:54.58 | paulswm | mosher: if you read what dpkg told you about asking questions, then you'll know what I meant. |
| 21:54.59 | turing | you guys are really happy with yourselves |
| 21:55.03 | furrywolf | grr! I know this setup worked! I haven't changed anything (other than keeping packages up to date), and what once worked now hangs. |
| 21:55.06 | turing | amazing |
| 21:55.07 | mosher | ty |
| 21:55.17 | mosher | wasn't paying attention |
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| 21:55.27 | paulswm | mosher: np |
| 21:55.31 | mwe | stew, I did log out and back in, but thanks |
| 21:55.32 | Stevie[FP] | carbon60: Let me know how it turns out |
| 21:55.34 | turing | no wonder people use openBSD |
| 21:55.37 | furrywolf | it does preview scans perfectly, but actual scans make a tiny motor-moving noise and stop |
| 21:55.41 | turing | and untubu |
| 21:55.44 | fabrizio_ciacchi | is possible to speak with the firefox deb package mantainer??? |
| 21:55.46 | caphuso | turing: stop trolling |
| 21:55.48 | paulswm | !troll turing |
| 21:55.52 | turing | haha |
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| 21:55.54 | stew | mwe: see if /etc/passwd looks correct |
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| 21:56.09 | prplstarlette | yeah...there's a rpm for those systems that use them |
| 21:56.15 | turing | tards :) |
| 21:56.17 | mwe | stew, /etc/passwd confirms the change. |
| 21:56.18 | paulswm | turing: caphuso's advice is very goos. |
| 21:56.19 | Stevie[FP] | fabrizio_ciacchi: apt-cache show mozilla-firefox |
| 21:56.22 | prplstarlette | but yet you have to create a deb package for debian |
| 21:56.31 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 21:56.32 | Stevie[FP] | !troll Olog-Hai |
| 21:56.35 | Berserker | i have trouble with last debian sarge. At ~15 minuts after boot it does not receive any mouse or keyboard events. I must reboot the PC. What I should show from /var/log/messages ? last line is normal, I think. I use xdm and icewm. |
| 21:56.41 | mosher | I am having a problem booting into Sarge ... in the boot proces I am faced with a message that states: Anti-Block System enabled and then the system sits. How can I get past this point to continue the boot sequence |
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| 21:56.50 | stew | mwe: what is the group when you type "id"? |
| 21:56.55 | ricochet | what is the command that tells you what process is accessing a resource? Like when you want to know why you cant umount |
| 21:56.56 | directhex | prplstarlette, did you read the license you agreewd to on sun.com to allow you to download a .bin ? |
| 21:57.05 | Triffid_Hunter | mosher: turn off virus check in bios and try |
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| 21:57.06 | stew | ricochet: lsof / fuser |
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| 21:57.26 | ricochet | stew, thanks |
| 21:57.39 | prplstarlette | nope lol...i never read those lol |
| 21:57.39 | Triffid_Hunter | Berserker: try some different ram, turn off acpi next time you boot and see if it helps |
| 21:57.40 | Berserker | I like debian, but cant use it |
| 21:57.40 | GlenneMannen | anyone know how to tell uw-imapd to use md5 instead of plaintext? |
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| 21:58.09 | Berserker | Triffid_Hunter, but gentoo on the same PC runs normally for year! |
| 21:58.30 | mosher | Triffid_Hunter: if I remember correctly my bios setting is turned to off because that is how I set it last but I will try it and be back |
| 21:58.46 | hikenboot | hello all trying to use cups printing system for a samsung ML-1740 I installed the PPD and also tried installing thru the admin interface but nothing seems to work...is there any good troubleshooting docs on cups and parallel printing that might apply to this particular printer? |
| 21:58.48 | directhex | prplstarlette, don't even begin to bitch about it then. once you understand what you've agreed to, and what some other distributions agree to on your behalf, you'll see why debian cannot carry those files |
| 21:59.10 | Triffid_Hunter | Berserker: gentoo compiles a suitable kernel for you, unless you make it yourself.. afaik, debian comes with a precompiled one unless you grab the source packages and make it yourself |
| 21:59.25 | paulswm | Berserker: I know what you mean, I like Kathryn Morris from "Cold Case" but I can't fsck her :P |
| 21:59.25 | hikenboot | the printer supposedly prints but nothing ever comes out!! |
| 21:59.26 | Triffid_Hunter | hikenboot: linuxprinting.org |
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| 21:59.38 | directhex | paulswm, i hear she has no disk errors whatsoever! |
| 21:59.52 | Form | anyone else using lftp from unstable? |
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| 22:00.07 | jpie | Hi. |
| 22:00.15 | aurax | anyone can refresh my memory about binding ports ? |
| 22:00.20 | aurax | my box is a gateway |
| 22:00.24 | aurax | i have to release one port for soulseek |
| 22:00.26 | caphuso | !tell Form -about ask |
| 22:00.31 | Berserker | Triffid_Hunter, Yes, i know. But what is your advice ? recompile kernel ? |
| 22:00.50 | streuner | Form: did you look at BTS? |
| 22:01.00 | Triffid_Hunter | Berserker: yeah, turn acpi and/or apm off, see if it helps |
| 22:01.01 | jpie | Can anyone answer a stupid question I have? Haha, I downloaded the wrong .iso file, and installed a minimum version of debian. (One that needed to finish installing from network) |
| 22:01.07 | jpie | However, My network wasnt connected. |
| 22:01.10 | Stevie[FP] | Universal microsoft solution: Reboot, then reinstall windows |
| 22:01.18 | Stevie[FP] | Universal linux solution: Reboot, then recompile kernel |
| 22:01.19 | Berserker | Triffid_Hunter, ok, thanks, i'll try |
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| 22:01.25 | Form | ls: Fatal error: gnutls_handshake: A record packet with illegal version was received. |
| 22:01.36 | jpie | I need to know how to uninstall that version of debian from the MS-Dos-like prompt thats on my screen? |
| 22:01.37 | Form | when using lftp with sftp:// |
| 22:01.38 | Stevie[FP] | Form: your record is in violation of RIAA policies |
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| 22:01.48 | aurax | anyone ? |
| 22:01.52 | Form | it happens for all my outgoing SSL connections |
| 22:01.53 | aioe | how do you redirect STDERR output to a log file? |
| 22:02.02 | Stevie[FP] | aioe: program -arguments 2>logfile |
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| 22:02.53 | jpie | Can anyone tell me how to uninstall GRUB and Debian from the cmd line? I dont have a GUI installed, so I have to do everything from the CMD line, and I dont know any of the commands. I thought I could find some support here. |
| 22:03.01 | jetx | ok it's obviously kde/konsole, but what would cause an app started from a kde desktop lnk thing to have an additional popup window(busy) that stays there for quite a while(30sec-1min), even after i close the app, but if i start the same app from a console there is no busy window thing. the app is xfe. |
| 22:03.19 | cam | aioe, you just do `foo 3>bar.log` |
| 22:03.20 | hikenboot | linux printing lists the ml-1710 and 1750 not the 1740 |
| 22:03.21 | Form | jpie: uninstall? |
| 22:03.23 | directhex | jpie, if you want to remove grub, then boot your windows nt 5 cd, go to the recovery console, type "fixboot" then "fixmbr" |
| 22:03.34 | Berserker | jpie, rm -rf / |
| 22:03.40 | paulswm | directhex: beat me to it |
| 22:03.44 | cam | aioe, oops, typo, it's a 2 not 3 |
| 22:03.51 | liquid_ | jpie turn your pc off |
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| 22:03.56 | jetx | omg directhex is an nt4 guru |
| 22:04.00 | jpie | I need to take debian off because I put the wrong one in. I just got the new ISO file to reinstall the full version. |
| 22:04.04 | streuner | !fuck Berserker |
| 22:04.09 | directhex | no, he isn't. he's never used nt4 in his life |
| 22:04.12 | rbochan | full version? |
| 22:04.17 | liquid_ | jetx uhm nt5 :/ |
| 22:04.17 | jpie | this is a second computer |
| 22:04.18 | rbochan | as opposed to...? |
| 22:04.21 | jpie | bleh |
| 22:04.28 | directhex | jpie, you seem confused. there is no "full version" |
| 22:04.28 | jpie | I downloaded the .iso Network edition or something |
| 22:04.31 | rbochan | debian lite? |
| 22:04.37 | liquid_ | define " full version" |
| 22:04.40 | Form | jpie: you don't have to uninstall for that |
| 22:04.40 | caphuso | jpie: installs the same version of debian |
| 22:04.44 | Form | jpie: you can probably just upgrade |
| 22:04.45 | streuner | Berserker: don't give such an advice here ever |
| 22:04.45 | rbochan | 1/3 less free software than the regular debian |
| 22:04.51 | jpie | Okay |
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| 22:05.02 | directhex | jpie, it's the same os, it's just a choice whether to install extra applications from the net or from one of 14 cdroms |
| 22:05.03 | liquid_ | debian isn't redcrap of suse the lesbian |
| 22:05.06 | Berserker | streuner, ok. sorry :) |
| 22:05.08 | jpie | how do I get the rest of debian on there? hehe |
| 22:05.08 | jetx | full version is 2dvd's |
| 22:05.18 | liquid_ | wtf would you do with 2 dvd's? |
| 22:05.21 | jpie | I need to install a GUI =o |
| 22:05.24 | Form | jpie: does it have a network connection? |
| 22:05.24 | liquid_ | wtf would you be needing? |
| 22:05.27 | jetx | i dunno, but i burned em |
| 22:05.32 | jpie | nope. no network card. |
| 22:05.32 | directhex | jpie, then apt-get install x-window-system |
| 22:05.36 | jetx | what the ehll i said |
| 22:05.38 | Form | jpie: ah |
| 22:05.40 | paulswm | Berserker: that may seem like an overreaction, but it's not, someone *will* do it :) |
| 22:05.41 | directhex | ah |
| 22:05.49 | liquid_ | 8mb is the biggest debian iso I have ever downloaded |
| 22:05.50 | jpie | Thats why I was asking :P |
| 22:06.12 | directhex | run apt-cdrom |
| 22:06.14 | jpie | I downloaded a diff version of the .iso that has more packages, and a GUI like windows.... |
| 22:06.17 | jpie | okay |
| 22:06.33 | Form | jpie: you can "scan" CDs with that |
| 22:06.34 | jpie | the other cpu is right next to me. i'll try and tell you what it does |
| 22:07.02 | BibTeX | exit |
| 22:07.05 | jpie | said command not found |
| 22:07.10 | directhex | run it as root. |
| 22:07.14 | jpie | i am root =D |
| 22:07.33 | zinosat | can anybody tell me what could potentially happen if I use mktemp with the -u flag? |
| 22:07.51 | directhex | hm |
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| 22:08.12 | jetx | call it a head |
| 22:08.17 | liquid_ | CPU = no pc |
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| 22:08.26 | rbochan | potentially.. you could end world hunger and find inner peace |
| 22:08.28 | tefsom | hi all |
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| 22:08.33 | zinosat | if I don't use it I cannot access some files from the browsre via internet |
| 22:08.40 | tefsom | how i can install xorg from apt ? |
| 22:08.47 | directhex | if you installed debian, then you definitely have the "apt-cdrom" command |
| 22:08.50 | directhex | tefsom, you don't |
| 22:08.55 | streuner | tefsom: how long do you running sid? |
| 22:09.02 | liquid_ | tefsom man apt and compile x.org your self |
| 22:09.03 | tefsom | and what i can install xfree^ |
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| 22:09.07 | rob_lt | tefsom, /msg dpkg xorg |
| 22:09.08 | tefsom | i use sarge |
| 22:09.09 | jetx | i have a few cpus! |
| 22:09.13 | jetx | i use cpu |
| 22:09.26 | tefsom | what do you advice for sarge? |
| 22:09.29 | streuner | tefsom: get some experience and switch to etch/testing later |
| 22:09.33 | zinosat | I have to "chmod +x publicdir" |
| 22:09.36 | directhex | apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 22:09.53 | mosher | ok my problem is still there and my bios antivirus setting was already dissabled |
| 22:10.00 | mosher | what should I try next |
| 22:10.12 | tefsom | directhex: ok i install that package and i need nothing more? |
| 22:10.13 | furrywolf | just replaced both the scsi cable and the terminator, with absolutely no change. still works perfectly for previews, still hangs attempting a real scan. grr! |
| 22:10.28 | streuner | tefsom: what videocard do you have? |
| 22:10.38 | directhex | tefsom, assuming debian's x server supports your hardware, then that's it |
| 22:10.39 | tefsom | streuner: savage |
| 22:10.50 | stew | !s3 |
| 22:10.51 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
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| 22:11.03 | furrywolf | any ideas before I add sane to my list of crap software? :P |
| 22:11.15 | tefsom | directhex: can i do apt-get source x-window-system and dpkg-build...? |
| 22:11.21 | directhex | furrywolf, push the paper to be scanne into your usb network adapter |
| 22:11.24 | streuner | tefsom: so you use a laptop? |
| 22:11.32 | tefsom | streuner: yep |
| 22:11.36 | directhex | tefsom, possibly, if you're a suicidal massochist |
| 22:11.38 | furrywolf | directhex: lol |
| 22:11.52 | jharrison | tarzeau: ping |
| 22:11.53 | tefsom | directhex: ehehhe i know |
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| 22:11.54 | tefsom | eheheh |
| 22:12.11 | jpie | okay |
| 22:12.23 | furrywolf | directhex: any _useful_ ideas? :) |
| 22:12.24 | jpie | all it does is tell me i have a few packages on the cd |
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| 22:12.28 | streuner | tefsom: what laptop do you have? |
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| 22:12.34 | mosher | Triffid_Hunter: do you have any other suggestions to help my problem with booting Debian |
| 22:12.36 | directhex | jpie, correct |
| 22:12.38 | tefsom | streuner: i've used freebsd |
| 22:12.40 | jetx | what is caudium |
| 22:12.44 | jetx | mosher |
| 22:12.46 | tefsom | streuner: hp omnibook xe3 |
| 22:12.51 | jpie | Is there a way to just reinstall the whole thing? like...start over? i've been trying different things for 2 days. =P |
| 22:12.52 | Triffid_Hunter | mosher: throw the error at google.. |
| 22:12.58 | mosher | I did |
| 22:12.59 | jetx | i already did |
| 22:13.00 | mosher | nothing |
| 22:13.04 | jetx | caudium |
| 22:13.16 | mosher | yes jetx? |
| 22:13.16 | jpie | im working on downloading the other 12 cd's...bleh. thought there was only 1 at first. |
| 22:13.26 | jetx | If set, it will enable the anti-block-system. This will restart the server after a configurable number of minutes if it locks up. If you are running in a single threaded environment heavy calculations will also halt the server. In multi-threaded mode bugs as eternal loops will not cause the server to reboot, since only one thread is blocked. In general there is no harm in having this option enabled. |
| 22:13.27 | paulswm | jpie: sure, just boot up from the network install CD and start again. |
| 22:13.30 | directhex | jpie, you're unlikely to need more than cd 2 |
| 22:13.37 | directhex | paulswm, no network card |
| 22:13.37 | jetx | so what is caudium |
| 22:13.48 | deepfrze | jpie: do a base-config and select configure apt |
| 22:13.49 | FieldySnuts | we don't know, so quit asking us over and over |
| 22:13.55 | paulswm | jpie: Sorry, didn't know about the network card. |
| 22:13.59 | jetx | i'm asking mosher |
| 22:14.09 | deepfrze | jpie: add the extra cd's |
| 22:14.14 | jpie | np. Im just really confused ;p |
| 22:14.26 | mosher | jetx: ty so are you saying that I am just not being patient enough |
| 22:14.29 | jpie | err. How ? Im in cmd prompt version of debian, trying to figure out what im doing. |
| 22:14.29 | streuner | tefsom: are you sure your videocard isn't an Intel? |
| 22:14.38 | tefsom | ya it work |
| 22:14.41 | tefsom | works |
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| 22:14.50 | directhex | jpie, you do know there'll be absolutely no difference between what gets installed by the net installer and the cds, right? it will only install a graphical environment if you specifically ask it to, either way |
| 22:14.51 | deepfrze | jpie: type base-config |
| 22:15.04 | Berserker | is hashes of rootpass at new-installed ubuntu systems are the same ?? |
| 22:15.12 | streuner | tefsom: http://www.perron.ch/cms/index.php?page=xe3#xfree86 |
| 22:15.34 | mosher | jetx : so you think that I am just not being patient enough with my boot up? |
| 22:15.40 | jpie | But the first cd i used to install |
| 22:15.44 | Berserker | if hashes are the same, then it is a big hole |
| 22:15.47 | jpie | didnt have the graphical environment. |
| 22:15.55 | jpie | the new one I have does though. |
| 22:15.58 | jpie | base-config? |
| 22:16.21 | directhex | jpie, but it won't be installed by default, either way. you have debian installed already. anything else you install is your choice |
| 22:16.22 | dontpanic | Hi every one I need to download Libncurses5 but on it's page I can not find my Architecture, I have a i686. What other way would it be listed? |
| 22:16.23 | Vyrus001 | ok i have run a make menuconfig and my kernel config file is compleat, how do i compile my linux kernel for a mips r4000 (i have the mips cros compiler version gcc) |
| 22:16.25 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.31 | tefsom | streuner: ok tnx |
| 22:16.33 | hikenboot | where do i get ghostscript source? |
| 22:16.36 | stew | dontpanic: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 22:16.47 | directhex | dontpanic, new to debian? |
| 22:16.55 | dontpanic | yes I am |
| 22:17.00 | jpie | okeys. can I pull the additional things off of ISO cd's? |
| 22:17.00 | FieldySnuts | !irritate Berserker |
| 22:17.01 | dpkg | Berserker: HELP ME!!! who uses cable !!!1 |
| 22:17.08 | pipatron | :D |
| 22:17.11 | beardy | hikenboot: The Internet? |
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| 22:17.18 | toresbe | Berserker: dipstick. |
| 22:17.23 | mosher | jetx I am running in a multi thread environment and it is still not going anywhere |
| 22:17.25 | hikenboot | thanks for the help beardy...I didnt think of that your so smart |
| 22:17.26 | toresbe | Berserker: I have that on good authority. |
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| 22:17.28 | dontpanic | stew: thanks |
| 22:17.30 | directhex | dontpanic, first tip, close your web browser, you will maybe need to download 2 packages with it in the duration of your system's lifetime |
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| 22:18.07 | thorie | im using ncftpput, but i can't find a flag to only upload files that need to be uploaded (modified since last uploaded)... how can I do this? |
| 22:18.28 | ateves | how can i add servers to apt? i searched for firefox, but apt couldn't find the package |
| 22:18.36 | deepfrze | jpie: yes |
| 22:18.43 | sewi | I've downloaded the gnuplot debian sources and cvs sources. i want to make a diff and then apply a patch in such a way that the deb sources have updated files from cvs but when I type: "diff -Naur gnuplot-4.0.0 gnuplot-4.1.0 > patch.txt" and then "patch -Np0 < patch.txt", I end up without "debian/*" directory in the debian sources. How to do it correctly? |
| 22:18.45 | pipatron | ateves: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:18.50 | Vyrus001 | ateves|| apt-cache search |
| 22:18.54 | dontpanic | directhx: thanks :) |
| 22:18.55 | directhex | ateves, the package is mozilla-firefox |
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| 22:19.08 | Vyrus001 | ateves|| oops lol i mean apt-setup |
| 22:19.08 | Berserker | toresbe, dipstick ? what are you mean ? |
| 22:19.21 | directhex | jpie, that's what apt-cdrom does. it searches the cdrom in the drive for packages, and adds the ability for you to install from them |
| 22:19.22 | FieldySnuts | exactly. |
| 22:19.59 | jpie | Okay |
| 22:20.13 | jpie | i ran the command like you said |
| 22:20.17 | jpie | and it pulled up the blue installer. |
| 22:20.23 | jpie | I changed the apt to cdrom |
| 22:20.29 | jpie | and says i can install 985 packages or something |
| 22:20.34 | jpie | then takes meback to main menu |
| 22:20.40 | FieldySnuts | !tell jpie about enter |
| 22:20.43 | jpie | I click install packages, and it shows only 3. |
| 22:21.03 | ioiothanks | thanks sewi .. How would I redirect STDOUT & STDERR? |
| 22:21.12 | jpie | thanks |
| 22:21.14 | jpie | snuts |
| 22:21.15 | jpie | .. |
| 22:21.24 | streuner | tefsom: http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-010512.htm - check this out as well, if you are tired of VESA ;-) |
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| 22:21.32 | directhex | jpie, quit base-config. run "apt-get install x-window-system gnome" |
| 22:21.40 | jpie | k i'll try |
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| 22:23.03 | jpie | do i type in run "" or just the stuff in "" ? |
| 22:23.28 | directhex | the stuff in speech marks. |
| 22:23.33 | jpie | okeys. brb |
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| 22:23.59 | jpie | couldn't find package gnome |
| 22:24.09 | directhex | hmph. probably on cd2. |
| 22:24.09 | jpie | I have gnome on a floppy. Should I try that? |
| 22:24.16 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 22:24.18 | directhex | you don't have gnome on a floppy. |
| 22:24.21 | jpie | lol |
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| 22:24.26 | jpie | downloaded something |
| 22:24.30 | pureone | apt-cache search gnome |
| 22:24.32 | jpie | from debian ;p |
| 22:24.42 | directhex | you don't have gnome on a floppy |
| 22:24.49 | Berserker | it is dream of gnome-developers - gnome at floppy |
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| 22:24.56 | directhex | the gnome metapackage is about 250mb of stuff |
| 22:25.04 | directhex | i suspect it's on cd2, then |
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| 22:25.16 | Eulex | gnome on floppies is a nightmare |
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| 22:25.33 | Rasputin | hi, ive setup a raid1 using mdadm, when i do mdadm --detail /dev/md0 and md1 the drives show as one active and the other faulty |
| 22:25.49 | netdur | fun, do anyone have idea how-to make two scripts (python and bash) make conversations? |
| 22:25.51 | Rasputin | is this normal? |
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| 22:26.26 | jpie | hmm |
| 22:26.28 | beardy | netdur: Through a pipe? |
| 22:26.34 | jpie | Maybe im just stupid as sh.. |
| 22:26.56 | jpie | binary 2.iso is 31%.. |
| 22:27.05 | jpie | so for that |
| 22:27.14 | jpie | do I just put it in cd drive |
| 22:27.17 | directhex | for now just do the apt-get install x-window-system |
| 22:27.29 | directhex | and you put it in the drive and run apt-cdrom on it |
| 22:27.37 | jpie | then do the apt-get install x-window-system ? |
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| 22:27.53 | directhex | you should be able to do that now, it should be on cd 1 |
| 22:28.01 | netdur | beardy, good |
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| 22:29.44 | Eulex | hmm, why can't I do firefox foo.html? |
| 22:29.55 | richb | heya all |
| 22:30.00 | directhex | because the binary is mozilla-firefox |
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| 22:30.37 | Eulex | directhex, oh, thanks |
| 22:30.47 | beardy | netdur: Or they can drop a message in a file, and when the other one has read it, it deletes it, or something.. |
| 22:30.59 | jpie | okay |
| 22:31.08 | jpie | its asking me what my mouse port type is? |
| 22:31.22 | directhex | /dev/input/mice |
| 22:31.22 | jpie | I was planning on just using a USB mouse |
| 22:31.33 | Eulex | directhex, mozilla-firefox foo.html doesn't work either |
| 22:31.45 | zinosat | I have problems with dir permission (dir created via mktemp) which I can solve either using "mktemp -u -d" or omitting the -u flag but using "chmod +x" later on. which solution is better? |
| 22:32.14 | directhex | Eulex, yeah it does |
| 22:32.48 | jpie | k its installing -i think- |
| 22:33.09 | directhex | jpie, what type of graphics card is the machine using? |
| 22:33.14 | jpie | onboard |
| 22:33.22 | directhex | onboard *what* |
| 22:33.25 | jpie | err |
| 22:33.27 | jpie | hmm |
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| 22:33.41 | jpie | im really not sure :P this is an older computer I pulled outta storage. |
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| 22:33.53 | jpie | I can get a GeForce2 from upstairs though |
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| 22:33.56 | directhex | how old is older? |
| 22:34.07 | jpie | 1998-2000. Cant remember |
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| 22:34.41 | jpie | okay...it stopped setting files up |
| 22:34.43 | Eulex | directhex, hmm, I closed my other firefox windows, and now it works |
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| 22:35.06 | Dak | How can I set the battery energy control system? |
| 22:35.06 | jpie | and now its just sitting there at console. What do I do next? |
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| 22:35.17 | netdur | beardy, I'm thinking about dbus |
| 22:35.30 | Eulex | directhex, with another instance of firefox running, it won't work |
| 22:35.35 | Nebulous | I saw a useful post on slashdot today about limiting the memory that firefox uses for it's cache. supposedly fixes a lot of the memory 'leaks' |
| 22:35.56 | netdur | beardy, thank you |
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| 22:36.14 | abrotman | i thought it was a memory leak |
| 22:36.42 | Nebulous | no. it was a crazy feature gone horribly horribly out of control. |
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| 22:37.00 | abrotman | firefox is a feature ? |
| 22:37.21 | Nebulous | it sure is. |
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| 22:38.30 | DrPete | anyone use Xen is it good? |
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| 22:38.42 | muntyan | Hi guys. I am trying to force dpi setting for X (I'm using kdm), but I can't find a file to edit. I tried /etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers, but xdpyinfo shows the same resolution all the time. |
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| 22:38.53 | muntyan | Does someone know how to that? |
| 22:39.20 | abrotman | !tell muntyan about dpi |
| 22:39.53 | muntyan | abrotman: it autodetects 83dpi |
| 22:39.58 | FieldySnuts | how to this! |
| 22:40.01 | muntyan | i want to try another number |
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| 22:40.12 | muntyan | DisplaySize doesn't help |
| 22:40.21 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: I N33d susian .. HLELPPP ME!@>!>! |
| 22:40.27 | websdale | Eulex:you can use the remote flag to open a tab or window in an existing firefox I think |
| 22:40.31 | abrotman | !dpi |
| 22:40.31 | dpkg | methinks dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 22:40.33 | abrotman | no help ? |
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| 22:40.41 | muntyan | xdpyinfo shows 83 all the time, I tried different sizes in XF86Config |
| 22:40.42 | directhex | jpie, /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 22:40.43 | muntyan | no! |
| 22:40.49 | abrotman | then ask #xfree86 ? |
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| 22:41.08 | abrotman | that's an odd question .. i don't think anyone has ever asked it :) |
| 22:41.11 | sweetmoma | What is the easiest way to network a printer what should I use? CUPS samba? Two Linux boxes |
| 22:41.15 | abrotman | i mean .. EVER! |
| 22:41.16 | myren | whats the most lightweight X based text editor? |
| 22:41.23 | muntyan | Maybe someone knows how kdm starts X? |
| 22:41.25 | beardy | sweetmoma: Yes. |
| 22:41.25 | directhex | myren, ed in an xterm |
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| 22:41.36 | myren | thats hardly x based |
| 22:41.36 | Nebulous | xemacs! |
| 22:41.38 | sweetmoma | beardy, yes? what? |
| 22:41.40 | caju_ | hello |
| 22:41.50 | beardy | sweetmoma: Yes, cups or samba. |
| 22:41.59 | Eulex | websdale: "remote flag"? |
| 22:42.01 | abrotman | myren: gedit isn't too bad ... what desktop do you use ? |
| 22:42.06 | sweetmoma | beardy, cups it is |
| 22:42.12 | abrotman | i don't recall there being like a tk/tcl text editor |
| 22:42.22 | Nebulous | how about xed |
| 22:42.27 | abrotman | yay .. fucking dogs! |
| 22:42.28 | muntyan | nedit is really nice |
| 22:42.28 | caju_ | what runs on port 706, is is a service named silc, what is it meant to? |
| 22:42.32 | dontpanic | when your compiling a kernel you use make menuconfig to get an interface right? |
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| 22:42.36 | Nebulous | xed is a Tcl/Tk reimplementation of the standard text editor, ed |
| 22:42.42 | abrotman | there you go |
| 22:42.44 | sweetmoma | beardy, I am using the gnome add printer dialog, -- what is URI? |
| 22:42.46 | xuxa | hrm... someone said something to me a while back but it scrolled off the screen. Please repost if you were trying to get to me. Sorry! |
| 22:42.48 | abrotman | ed sucks .. but oh well |
| 22:43.02 | abrotman | caju_: check /etc/services |
| 22:43.05 | Nebulous | i don't know why anyone would want to use ed, given a choice :) |
| 22:43.08 | beardy | !uri |
| 22:43.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, uri is a generic URL, eg anything://something. Uniform Resource Indicator |
| 22:43.16 | caju_ | thnx |
| 22:43.18 | Fleck | is there some DNS cache app for linux, so i can use local DNS for fast DNS resolving ? |
| 22:43.31 | abrotman | Fleck: bind ? |
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| 22:43.36 | Nebulous | Flack: I believe you can dump things into /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:43.45 | dontpanic | when your compiling a kernel you use make menuconfig to get an interface right? |
| 22:43.49 | sweetmoma | beardy, thanks |
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| 22:43.55 | abrotman | dontpanic: you can |
| 22:43.56 | Nebulous | or am I thinking of hosts |
| 22:43.57 | FieldySnuts | bind is overkill for that but i don't know any other reasonable solution (/etc/resolv.conf is not it) |
| 22:43.59 | abrotman | !tell dontpanic about kp |
| 22:44.03 | abrotman | Nebulous: /etc/hosts |
| 22:44.04 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.12 | abrotman | and not usable |
| 22:44.15 | Fleck | Nebulous i have resolv.conf - sure, but it's slow resolvs from ISP DNS ... |
| 22:44.20 | Nebulous | i get my files messed up :P |
| 22:44.24 | abrotman | Fleck: pick other dns servers ? |
| 22:44.34 | abrotman | !spank Nebulous |
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| 22:44.45 | beardy | sweetmoma: no problem |
| 22:44.53 | Nebulous | Fleck: There are howtos on how to set up a caching DNS server using BIND. I remember using one a few years ago |
| 22:45.06 | pureone | dnsmasq ? |
| 22:45.23 | abrotman | read the bind ARM |
| 22:45.30 | zoomnap | is there a way to run ebuilds on debian? also, I just compiled gaim 1.3.1, did ./configure, make, make install, it all worked, but gaim that comes up is still version 1.2.1, from both KDE menus and command line. |
| 22:45.37 | dontpanic | abrotman: what is KP ? |
| 22:45.37 | Nebulous | that's basically what you want it to do, cache the dns queries locally so when they lookup again, it won't hit your isp's dns server? |
| 22:45.47 | abrotman | dontpanic: see what dpkg told you |
| 22:46.11 | dontpanic | abrotman: ok |
| 22:46.24 | Draconicus | Wow... my camera module managed to stop existing. "FATAL: Module spca5xx not found." |
| 22:46.28 | abrotman | dontpanic: should have simple instructions for doing kernels the debian way |
| 22:46.34 | abrotman | Draconicus: put it back! |
| 22:46.53 | Draconicus | abrotman: Der. |
| 22:47.10 | directhex | zoomnap, you ran ./configure and let it go into the default /usr/ ? congrats on breaking things if so |
| 22:47.15 | Fleck | ok thanks guys :)) |
| 22:47.44 | Nebulous | "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!", this is probably bad, (from apt-get) |
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| 22:48.05 | websdale | Eulex: if you do "firefox -remote " then you can put a command after -remote - have a look at the docs & wiki on the mozilla site |
| 22:48.09 | zoomnap | uhh, thanks. I don't think so. That happens if I run as root? or no when does that happen |
| 22:48.38 | Draconicus | Damn kernel headers... |
| 22:48.47 | Draconicus | I wish I could get 2.6.12.1 to compile. :( |
| 22:48.53 | Draconicus | Correctly, that is. |
| 22:48.56 | icyfire0573 | zoomnap: ./configure make make install installs to /usr/local, your path probably has /usr/bin then /usr/local/ try running /usr/local/bin/gaim and see if you get the new version |
| 22:49.04 | Eulex | websdale: ok |
| 22:49.05 | directhex | Draconicus, there are udev issues in debian with 2.6.12 |
| 22:49.39 | Draconicus | directhex: I was informed that said issues were a 2.6.8 problem that continued down the line and were fixed in 2.6.11 |
| 22:49.44 | jpie | weee CD2 is almost done. |
| 22:50.25 | FieldySnuts | well, when it hits 0, it can only go up. |
| 22:50.25 | dontpanic | abrotman: the help I have been getting has been very good but when I try using make menuconfig it did not work, I was just checking if it was right |
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| 22:50.38 | abrotman | dontpanic: errors are helpful |
| 22:50.44 | directhex | Draconicus, 2.6.8 compiles fine, for the most part. some modules are busted though in 2.6.9+, e.g. cx88xx |
| 22:51.00 | zoomnap | that worked, icyfire0573, thanks! How do I get it so it does that from KDE menus? |
| 22:51.11 | Face_Fantastic | Hey guys, what's the best wireless router for the money? (That is compatable with linux) |
| 22:51.21 | abrotman | it's a router ... |
| 22:51.22 | icyfire0573 | install the links manually or some such zoomnap |
| 22:51.26 | Draconicus | directhex: Interesting. Well, I'm running on a newly installed 2.6.11 via package, so things should be decent, yes/ |
| 22:51.28 | Draconicus | ?& |
| 22:51.30 | abrotman | or you mean you want the router to run linux ? |
| 22:51.30 | Draconicus | * |
| 22:51.33 | Draconicus | >.> |
| 22:51.37 | dontpanic | abrotman: this will take a min |
| 22:51.38 | icyfire0573 | Face_Fantastic: yea, all routers are compatible, i like linksys |
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| 22:51.58 | abrotman | dontpanic: you did install libncurses-dev right ? |
| 22:52.09 | directhex | Draconicus, as long as you don't have a cx88xx-based tv card, sure |
| 22:52.24 | VoltageX | like /www) for Apache2 on debian? |
| 22:52.24 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.34 | VoltageX | wtf |
| 22:52.36 | Draconicus | directhex: Of course not. However, this camera type for such a module is known to be a bitch. :) |
| 22:52.43 | dontpanic | abrotman: I just checked for libncurses5 |
| 22:52.53 | VoltageX | what's the default docroot for apache2 on debian? |
| 22:52.53 | abrotman | dontpanic: you need libncurses5-dev ... |
| 22:52.57 | abrotman | as in .. *NEED* |
| 22:53.51 | dontpanic | abrotman: dontpanic is holding is fingers in shape of an L to forhead |
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| 22:54.01 | Draconicus | We have a camera. |
| 22:54.05 | abrotman | dontpanic: are you going to sing too ? |
| 22:54.20 | abrotman | not that i can remmeber anymore of that song . thank god |
| 22:54.42 | VoltageX | abrotman: now I have that song stuck in my head |
| 22:54.46 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:54.52 | abrotman | VoltageX: can you help with the chorus ? |
| 22:54.57 | jpie | woot. burning iso...I hope the gnome environment works >< |
| 22:54.57 | abrotman | because .. i can't rememeber any of it |
| 22:55.10 | VoltageX | no, bell's gone I gtg |
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| 22:55.37 | zoomnap | icyfire0573, I have to be logged in as root to access it. How do I move it to my username so I don't have to be root? |
| 22:56.08 | icyfire0573 | zoomnap: you need to be root to run /usr/local/bin/gaim? |
| 22:56.16 | dontpanic | abrotman: it is installed allready |
| 22:56.17 | abrotman | dontpanic: got it ? |
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| 22:56.33 | abrotman | dontpanic: then i'm going to need an error from `make clean;make menuconfig` |
| 22:56.45 | directhex | zoomnap, chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/gaim |
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| 22:57.08 | abrotman | dontpanic: and you BETTER do a make clean first |
| 22:57.11 | Wheet | When an agnostic dies, does he go to the "great perhaps"? |
| 22:57.26 | abrotman | Wheet: wrong channel |
| 22:57.32 | FieldySnuts | this Wheet guy just did the same crap to #gentoo |
| 22:57.38 | Wheet | i just had a scary thought, what if there was 819 people in one chatroom |
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| 22:57.42 | deepfrze | Wheet: maybe |
| 22:57.43 | FieldySnuts | he got silenced there |
| 22:57.46 | abrotman | Wheet: we don't care .. go away |
| 22:57.50 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: fat chance |
| 22:57.55 | Wheet | abrotman: like my ball-slime. |
| 22:57.56 | FieldySnuts | no, he did |
| 22:58.04 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i meant here |
| 22:58.05 | phogg | Wheet: when an agnostic dies, he finds out either that he was right (there is a god) or that he is right (there is no god). |
| 22:58.07 | dontpanic | I did |
| 22:58.24 | FieldySnuts | he's a troll. don't respond. he did it enough in #gentoo to get silenced. |
| 22:58.25 | dontpanic | abrotman: I did |
| 22:58.30 | beardy | !room |
| 22:58.30 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 22:58.32 | abrotman | dontpanic: any errors ? |
| 22:58.33 | Wheet | im not a troll |
| 22:58.40 | Eulex | !troll Wheet |
| 22:58.42 | Wheet | ima programmer that doesn't have anything to do atm |
| 22:58.44 | Eulex | :P |
| 22:58.50 | Wheet | =] |
| 22:58.57 | abrotman | Wheet: this is not a place for your entertainment .. try #party |
| 22:59.02 | Wheet | ok! |
| 22:59.02 | dontpanic | scripts/basic/fixdep Error1 |
| 22:59.04 | phogg | Wheet: you could try solving someone's problems |
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| 22:59.14 | Wheet | noone was in party =\ |
| 22:59.16 | abrotman | phogg: wanna bet he programs in vb ? |
| 22:59.19 | zoomnap | icyfire0573, yes. directhex, that didn't work. |
| 22:59.28 | phogg | abrotman: No bet |
| 22:59.31 | Wheet | roger55: eat my ass *hands you a spork* |
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| 22:59.39 | dontpanic | abortman:scripts/basic/fixdep Error1 |
| 22:59.44 | abrotman | caphuso: thank you |
| 22:59.45 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: thanks! |
| 22:59.49 | caphuso | i didn't do anything |
| 22:59.52 | directhex | !cake caphuso |
| 22:59.55 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 22:59.56 | aieo | how do I check for a negated match? if ( ! $blah =~ m/^http:\/\// ) .. doesn't seem to work as desired |
| 22:59.57 | zoomnap | actually, icyfire, it works, but it's the old version if I don't run as root |
| 22:59.57 | Eulex | !ops Wheet is a troll |
| 22:59.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Wheet is a troll |
| 23:00.05 | FieldySnuts | he's gone already damnit |
| 23:00.11 | roger55 | you poor guys get our 2nd hand trolls. |
| 23:00.14 | roger55 | ;) |
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| 23:00.17 | abrotman | dontpanic: uhm ... did you install build-essential ? |
| 23:00.18 | dontpanic | abrotman: scripts_basic error 2 |
| 23:00.24 | icyfire0573 | zoomnap: are you just typing gaim again or are you entering the whole path? |
| 23:00.33 | directhex | roger55, as per usual, debian is lagging behind |
| 23:00.41 | initech | roger55: 'our'? |
| 23:00.51 | dontpanic | abrotman: no I will check for it |
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| 23:01.03 | directhex | * [roger55] (~roger@roger55.developer.gentoo): Unknown |
| 23:01.06 | roger55 | initech, he trolled #gentoo a few minutes ago.. |
| 23:01.11 | beardy | roger55: If you own the troll, keep it under control. |
| 23:01.15 | abrotman | roger55: we were told |
| 23:01.22 | FieldySnuts | I snitched |
| 23:01.24 | initech | roger55: dude, gentoo's whole userbase is our second hand trolls :) |
| 23:01.25 | roger55 | anyway, peace |
| 23:01.29 | jpie | bleh.. |
| 23:01.31 | roger55 | hehe |
| 23:01.32 | zoomnap | whole path in command line. IN the kde menu editor, the command is gaim but the working path is /usr/local/bin/ |
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| 23:01.35 | directhex | !win initech |
| 23:01.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, initech! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 23:02.11 | jpie | is there anyway to reformat the harddrive to where it doesnt have Debian on it anymore? My files are all corrupt from a bad disc, and I need to reinstall... |
| 23:02.16 | icyfire0573 | zoomnap: from the commandline as a normal user what happens if you run /usr/local/bin/gaim |
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| 23:02.38 | arnon | how do I set failed login counts on ssh ? |
| 23:02.43 | beardy | jpie: Buy a new disc if your files went corrupt. |
| 23:02.58 | jpie | I had a bad disc download/burn |
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| 23:03.04 | abrotman | man sshd_config ? |
| 23:03.04 | deadf1zh | what ports does apt require when fetching updates & packages? 21 and 80, if i use only ftp/http as resources? |
| 23:03.06 | jpie | all I need to do is get the thing off |
| 23:03.14 | beardy | jpie: Or just reinstall if you trust the drive. |
| 23:03.20 | abrotman | deadf1zh: ftp is a pain in passive mode |
| 23:03.28 | jpie | didnt have all the required files, and it corrupted the other files...or so it says |
| 23:03.36 | jpie | how do I reinstall... |
| 23:03.40 | jpie | im clueless.. |
| 23:03.45 | abrotman | just restart the installer |
| 23:03.46 | dontpanic | abrotman: did a whereis did not fid it |
| 23:03.49 | icyfire0573 | jpie: you should just be able to restart the installer |
| 23:03.49 | zoomnap | icyfire0573, it opens the old version |
| 23:03.53 | jpie | The installer is not there.. |
| 23:03.58 | abrotman | dontpanic: it's a package |
| 23:04.00 | jpie | all I see is cmd prompt with my username |
| 23:04.02 | abrotman | !b-e dontpanic |
| 23:04.03 | dpkg | dontpanic: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 23:04.05 | deadf1zh | abrotman, passive? :T |
| 23:04.13 | cat | jpie: what else do you expect? |
| 23:04.32 | icyfire0573 | zoomnap: thats crazy, i don't know why it would do that if you explicitly specify the path to the correct program |
| 23:04.37 | dontpanic | abrotman: apt-get will work? |
| 23:04.43 | abrotman | dontpanic: yep |
| 23:04.45 | abrotman | !ftppassive |
| 23:04.46 | dpkg | methinks ftppassive is For passive transfers behind a NAT, use proftpd (apt-get install proftpd) .. enable AllowForeignAddress, use PassivePorts to explicitly specify ports (and have the router forward them) and MasqueradeAddress to provide your external address to the software |
| 23:04.48 | arnon | abrotman, I don't see anything related to failed login counts |
| 23:04.49 | jpie | Something less confusing! My head hurts ><, Can I pull up the installer and reinstall from the cmd prompt? |
| 23:04.54 | abrotman | deadf1zh: get it .. pain in the ass |
| 23:04.58 | dontpanic | abrotman: thanks |
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| 23:05.08 | abrotman | arnon: that's all i could think of .. i can't imagine anywhere else |
| 23:05.21 | directhex | jpie, how many fucking times must it be said? DEBIAN DOES NOT INSTALL A GRAPHICAL USER ENVIRONMENT FOR YOU. YOU MUST ASK TI TO, THEN CONFIGURE IT |
| 23:05.42 | FieldySnuts | he's a mongoloid, realize this, then just move on to something else |
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| 23:05.50 | beardy | jpie: What happened exactly, what files are "corrupt", any error messages? |
| 23:05.53 | directhex | like sleep! sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep! |
| 23:05.55 | jpie | jesus christ, I DID. IT SAID missing dependencies like 1000 times... |
| 23:06.02 | directhex | sleep4hex |
| 23:06.30 | deadf1zh | abrotman, but wtf is passive mode? |
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| 23:06.36 | Face_Fantastic | icyfire0573: alright thanks, I like linksys too. I just dont want the wireless setup to be a bitch. And I know my friend has a router that wasnt compatable with Fedora or something... |
| 23:06.39 | abrotman | deadf1zh: just use http sources |
| 23:06.44 | deadf1zh | abrotman, :D |
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| 23:06.58 | CafedelMar | I'm installing debian for the first time, am I able to ask a couple of questions here? |
| 23:07.08 | zoomnap | icyfire0573, yeah it is. Oh I got it working. I apt-get remove gaim and it took away the old version ^_^ |
| 23:07.16 | jjsm | Hello. Does anyone knows how do I take screenshots of the installation process in Debian? |
| 23:07.16 | zoomnap | Thanks for all the help guys. |
| 23:07.21 | beardy | CafedelMar: Ask away. |
| 23:07.22 | cat | CafedelMar: ask |
| 23:07.23 | icyfire0573 | alright zoomnap |
| 23:07.23 | jpie | You may, but you could be flamed for it if your clueless like I am CafedelMar... |
| 23:07.33 | azeem | jjsm: use vmware or bochs or qemu or something, I guess |
| 23:07.34 | abrotman | CafedelMar: yes |
| 23:07.36 | CafedelMar | is there an autopartitioner? |
| 23:07.50 | azeem | CafedelMar: yes |
| 23:07.53 | abrotman | CafedelMar: for a whole disk yes .. but i don't think you'd use it if you're sharing the drive |
| 23:07.57 | cat | CafedelMar: on debian installer yes |
| 23:08.10 | CafedelMar | ok, its a whole disk...where do I get to it? I couldnt find it |
| 23:08.23 | cat | is it a sata or scsi? |
| 23:08.29 | abrotman | CafedelMar: should just start the installer .. and when you select to partition the disk .. tell it to use the whole thing |
| 23:08.29 | CafedelMar | ide :( |
| 23:08.36 | CafedelMar | ok |
| 23:08.58 | CafedelMar | restarting |
| 23:09.18 | abrotman | arnon: i don't see it either .. sorry for my bad guess |
| 23:09.20 | jjsm | azeem, thanks. |
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| 23:09.59 | arnon | abrotman, no problem, I apreciate your advise |
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| 23:10.15 | CafedelMar | it doesnt give me an autopartition option...that I can find...its taken me to cfdisk |
| 23:10.17 | abrotman | arnon: google "sshd failed login configuration option" ? |
| 23:10.32 | abrotman | CafedelMar: are you typing anything when the installer starts ? |
| 23:10.37 | CafedelMar | nope |
| 23:10.38 | jason123 | Is there a reason why in the debian install my screen is flashing like crazy and its giving me a seizure |
| 23:10.48 | cbr | why is the deb-src lines needed in sources.list? |
| 23:10.50 | mai | hey, i'm trying to get some stats from snmp (ssRawContexts.0 to be exact), but the counter has hit it's limit (the 4294967295), how would one go about resetting that value |
| 23:10.55 | abrotman | cbr: it's not |
| 23:11.09 | abrotman | CafedelMar: there's no option to take over the disk ? |
| 23:11.12 | cbr | but why do the deb-src lines exist at all? |
| 23:11.16 | CafedelMar | nope :( |
| 23:11.18 | abrotman | cbr: for source packages |
| 23:11.22 | abrotman | !ig |
| 23:11.23 | dpkg | i heard ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 23:11.27 | CafedelMar | argh...I'm coming from fedora...god..confused |
| 23:11.36 | dontpanic | abrotman: when I do apt-get install build-essential it tells me it can not be found |
| 23:11.44 | cbr | abrotman: and i need source packages because? |
| 23:12.04 | abrotman | CafedelMar: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition .. it says there's an option .... |
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| 23:12.11 | abrotman | cbr: if you don't knojw why .. then you don't :) |
| 23:12.11 | CafedelMar | cool, thanks |
| 23:12.20 | abrotman | dontpanic: you're on sarge ? |
| 23:12.35 | jpie | How do I do a reinstall? base-config is messed up, apt-cdrom isnt detecting files, etc. People havent done shit but shout at me and ask questions I dont know how to answer.. |
| 23:12.48 | cbr | abrotman: so it's safe to remove all deb-src lines from sources.list? |
| 23:12.50 | abrotman | just start the installer again ... |
| 23:12.55 | jpie | how? |
| 23:12.57 | abrotman | cbr: comment out with # is better |
| 23:13.00 | abrotman | boot again ?> |
| 23:13.03 | cbr | ok |
| 23:13.03 | dontpanic | abrotman: no knoppix installed on my hard drive |
| 23:13.04 | jason123 | I swear im going to get a seizure! |
| 23:13.07 | jpie | When I reboot with CD as main boot, it takes me to grub |
| 23:13.07 | beardy | jpie: Do it the same way you did when you installed last time. |
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| 23:13.16 | dontpanic | abrotman: 3.8 |
| 23:13.20 | Draconicus | How can I test for activity on a specified port (ie. 65:1) |
| 23:13.27 | abrotman | dontpanic: oh .. i have no idea .. i don't use knoppix .. all i can tell you to do is to install sarge .. better for you to ask #knoppix |
| 23:13.31 | Draconicus | ? |
| 23:13.32 | FieldySnuts | i wonder if the isos he got are corrupt, md5sum time |
| 23:14.01 | abrotman | salvation! |
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| 23:14.36 | paulswm | !irritate FieldySnuts |
| 23:14.36 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Y iz debain so old? who uses dvd kk |
| 23:14.47 | abrotman | yes ? |
| 23:14.49 | jpie | I think I missed something ... |
| 23:15.08 | abrotman | Draconicus: you want to see if something is using that port ? or something coming in ? |
| 23:15.16 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: :xz |
| 23:15.17 | abrotman | jpie: you didn't |
| 23:15.26 | deepfrze | jpie: don't sweat it, it took me about 5 tries to get the first install right. |
| 23:15.33 | dontpanic | abrotman: when I tried to install sarge, it just laughed at me |
| 23:15.39 | abrotman | i doubt that |
| 23:15.44 | Draconicus | Something coming in or going out. Traffic. I know what uses the port, but nothing is happening when the port should have action, so I want to test. |
| 23:15.52 | jpie | I just need to reinstall...When I reboot it takes me to the GRUB menu...cant do anything but boot the bugged operating sytem... |
| 23:16.13 | dontpanic | abrotman: well it seamed that way |
| 23:16.21 | abrotman | Draconicus: you can telnet to the port .. fuser to see if something is using it .. ip traffic logger to see traffic in/out(tcpdump is another way) |
| 23:16.29 | deepfrze | jpie: boot from cdrom. |
| 23:16.36 | CafedelMar | this is weird...there is definately no choice for a guided partition |
| 23:16.42 | beardy | jpie: COnfigure your bios to boot cdrom before harddrive. |
| 23:16.56 | abrotman | CafedelMar: it is the debian installer isn't it .. 3.1r0a ? |
| 23:16.58 | Draconicus | abrotman: If you want details, I'm testing port 65:0 or 65:1, ports for my Soundblaster Live! card's wavetables. I'm trying to play a midi with soundfont loaded, but nothing is playing, so I want to see if it's related to the transfer itself. |
| 23:16.59 | robin_sz | mmmm fuser. |
| 23:17.15 | CafedelMar | checking |
| 23:17.28 | abrotman | Draconicus: uhm .. that's way more than i ever want to know about a sound card :) |
| 23:17.53 | Draconicus | Heh. Just throwing annoying details at you. |
| 23:18.01 | jpie | deepfrze - I have cdrom first in boot order. It still just goes to GRUB. |
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| 23:18.14 | CafedelMar | its debian gnu/linux 3.0, cant find the version number for the installer tho |
| 23:18.27 | abrotman | CafedelMar: that's why .. you have the woody installer .. not the sarge installer |
| 23:18.29 | abrotman | !d-i CafedelMar |
| 23:18.31 | dpkg | CafedelMar, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:18.41 | abrotman | CafedelMar: you have broadband ? |
| 23:18.43 | CafedelMar | ergh... |
| 23:18.44 | deepfrze | jpie: make sure your install cd is in the drive |
| 23:18.46 | CafedelMar | yep, bb |
| 23:18.59 | abrotman | CafedelMar: use the 100-ish MB netinst |
| 23:19.00 | insulae | hi anybody can tellme how i can block "yahoo messenger" with squid, in #squid is everybody sleeping :P (sorry mi english is bad) |
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| 23:19.10 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:19.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:19.32 | FieldySnuts | squid shouldn't even be allowing those ports by default, sounds like you have it set up to allow the CONNECT method on any port (bad |
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| 23:20.17 | robin_sz | fuser -n file /dev/toilet |
| 23:20.20 | jpie | Okay. Let me clear this up. I have install CD (.iso #1) in my CDROM drive ( the only one) In Bios, I have CDROM drive set to boot first. When I reboot system (WITH CD IN DRIVE) it just goes straight to the GRUB Booter, which was installed the first time I had the wrongdisc. |
| 23:20.27 | Agrajag- | with google i've found several references to libwxgtk2.5-python, but can only find libwxgtk2.4-python, even when i try experimental, any ideas? |
| 23:20.35 | abrotman | robin_sz: knock and ask .. jeez |
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| 23:20.59 | abrotman | !info libwxgtk2.5-python |
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| 23:21.08 | shadow98 | hey guys im looking at gnome system monitor and it shows 96% memory is being used |
| 23:21.21 | Pryon | unused memory is a waste |
| 23:21.25 | abrotman | !info libwxgtk2.5-python experimental |
| 23:21.29 | paulswm | jpie: If what you say is correct, then you don't have a bootable CD in the drive, or your CD reader can't read it. |
| 23:21.38 | abrotman | Agrajag-: nowhere to be found |
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| 23:21.50 | abrotman | shadow98: problem is ? |
| 23:21.54 | robin_sz | Pryon: perfectly normal ... dont panic |
| 23:21.56 | abrotman | shadow98: how much ram do you have ? |
| 23:21.58 | shadow98 | pryon: so it is good that it is using all memory |
| 23:22.12 | Agrajag- | abrotman: hmm, strange. oh well |
| 23:22.13 | shadow98 | 377.2 |
| 23:22.18 | paulswm | shadow98: Sure, what's the point in having unused memory? |
| 23:22.21 | abrotman | shadow98: total in your system |
| 23:22.21 | jpie | Okay. Im going to try again. Maybe try and disable all floppies//harddrive...Im sure it should work...It worked with the mini-install... |
| 23:22.25 | CafedelMar | so can I assume there is no autopartition on woody? |
| 23:22.25 | Pryon | shadow98: yes. It's being used for disk/buffer cache |
| 23:22.41 | paulswm | shadow98: 'free' command, and man free |
| 23:22.43 | Agrajag- | abrotman: i guess that means it was there once upon a time and has been removed |
| 23:22.44 | abrotman | CafedelMar: nope .. you should be isntall sarge anyways |
| 23:22.48 | shadow98 | i have 377.2mb of total system memory |
| 23:22.51 | abrotman | Agrajag-: doubtful ... |
| 23:22.56 | CafedelMar | dammit... |
| 23:23.00 | abrotman | shadow98: no way .. that's not possible |
| 23:23.05 | abrotman | well . it is .. |
| 23:23.09 | abrotman | but not really normal |
| 23:23.23 | shadow98 | i guess im just used to windows and having unused memory is a good thing |
| 23:23.27 | Agrajag- | well with google there are a few references to people adding experimental to their sources then installing that package |
| 23:23.34 | abrotman | !256+128 |
| 23:23.35 | dpkg | 384 |
| 23:23.42 | abrotman | close enough .. AGP took some |
| 23:23.46 | shadow98 | abortman: 384 |
| 23:23.55 | paulswm | !tell shadow98 about free memory |
| 23:23.56 | abrotman | shadow98: and how much is used ? |
| 23:23.57 | robin_sz | abortman ? |
| 23:24.00 | abrotman | robin_sz: ? |
| 23:24.01 | robin_sz | tee hee |
| 23:24.36 | shadow98 | 96.3% or 363 |
| 23:24.40 | robin_sz | FieldySnuts: roughly where is this bite of which you speak? |
| 23:24.49 | jetx | ankle |
| 23:24.56 | FieldySnuts | yay |
| 23:24.57 | Phated | robin_sz: Eye. |
| 23:25.00 | jetx | that was a neck |
| 23:25.02 | abrotman | shadow98: for example .. i have 768MB .. with about 380MB used .. but no swap used .. this is a good thing(tm) |
| 23:25.04 | jetx | or eye |
| 23:25.04 | robin_sz | ick. nasty |
| 23:25.08 | paulswm | !bite abrotman |
| 23:25.19 | abrotman | dpkg: you pervert! |
| 23:25.26 | jpie | okay |
| 23:25.31 | Phated | !date FieldySnuts |
| 23:25.32 | shadow98 | well i have 17.63 swap being used |
| 23:25.37 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
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| 23:25.40 | robin_sz | well, bedtime ... time to go and get bitten somewhere more entertaining ;) |
| 23:25.54 | abrotman | shadow98: it's not really a bad thing .. trust us .. you want as much real RAM used as possible |
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| 23:26.13 | jetx | !trust |
| 23:26.14 | dpkg | somebody said trust was safe |
| 23:26.18 | jetx | !truss |
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| 23:26.30 | jpie | When I told it to boot from cdrom 1st, put cd in, and rebooted, right when I clicked boot it automatically popped up with GRUB. Didnt even try to pull up CD-ROM drive..(Yes, it is enabled, it is detected by BIOS/connected) |
| 23:26.44 | abrotman | jpie: are you install ubuntu ? |
| 23:26.53 | paulswm | shadow98: I have a gig of memory and all but 12MB is being used, that means Linux is using memory sensibly. |
| 23:26.58 | jetx | then your cdrom may not read a cdrw, i've had that |
| 23:27.05 | jetx | might be something else |
| 23:27.09 | jpie | no, debian. |
| 23:27.18 | jpie | it read the corrupt disc fine... |
| 23:27.37 | paulswm | jetx: Yes, I've had the same prob on an old CDROm drive, had to burn a CD-R |
| 23:27.39 | jetx | !say paulswm uses 1 gig of memory just to run irssi |
| 23:27.40 | dpkg | paulswm uses 1 gig of memory just to run irssi |
| 23:27.50 | abrotman | yay backlog! |
| 23:27.52 | jetx | :p |
| 23:27.52 | paulswm | jetx: xchat :) |
| 23:27.55 | shadow98 | still that is like 80 some percent |
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| 23:28.10 | jetx | dpkg say s/irssi/xchat/ |
| 23:28.11 | dpkg | s/irssi/xchat/ |
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| 23:28.40 | jpie | its a regular cd-r disc...burned with the 1st .iso |
| 23:28.54 | nvz | jetx: lay off the bot, eh? |
| 23:29.00 | jetx | what bot |
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| 23:29.14 | nvz | the one you called upon 6 times in the past 2 minutes |
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| 23:29.15 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 23:29.15 | apt | India will get its ass kicked by Pakistan! |
| 23:29.33 | FieldySnuts | once it gets it's internet connectivity back anyay |
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| 23:30.04 | jpie | and I tried installing Ubuntu, but after it tries to open packages, it just goes to 1%, monitor goes blank, and tries to open package again, repeats about 15 times, and then just sits at a black screen until i shut down.. |
| 23:30.08 | jetx | i don't see no steenkin bot |
| 23:30.20 | nvz | jpie: ask in #ubuntu |
| 23:30.33 | nvz | jpie: or go get Debian-Installer, as ubuntu is not a debian installer |
| 23:30.37 | FieldySnuts | nvz: he's been told a half-dozen times already over the past hour and a half or more |
| 23:30.46 | FieldySnuts | nvz: he just doesn't get it (many of us ignored him) |
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| 23:30.58 | nvz | FieldySnuts: not very bright is he |
| 23:30.58 | *** mode/#debian [+q jetx!*@*] by caphuso |
| 23:31.00 | jpie | I know know iknow. Someone asked if I WAS INSTALLING it. |
| 23:31.00 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
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| 23:31.06 | caphuso | he might get that though |
| 23:31.08 | FieldySnuts | indeed, yoda |
| 23:31.20 | FieldySnuts | well it wasn't him who i was talking about, but jpie |
| 23:31.26 | cbr | hmm.. i wonder is there like some ETA on xorg or smth? |
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| 23:31.48 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: doesn't matter :) |
| 23:31.52 | FieldySnuts | later nvz |
| 23:32.02 | sparr_ | im installing X.org and now I need to install the nvidia drivers. the instructions i have want me to use the nvidia installer with "-a -n --x-prefix /usr/local/X11R6.8" options, how would i accomplish the same thing the debian way? |
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| 23:32.07 | nvz | FieldySnuts: let it be known that I am not the only one tired of bot antics anymore |
| 23:32.09 | FieldySnuts | see? |
| 23:32.20 | j4cbo | so what's with the apt-get "authentication" thing? |
| 23:32.22 | FieldySnuts | nvz: yes, you say it enough, thanks though |
| 23:32.25 | jpie | Hmm...im sure this was on the debian website as support, not bullshit assholes... |
| 23:32.34 | cbr | sparr_: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 23:32.35 | cbr | or smth |
| 23:32.50 | sparr_ | cbr: that will probably install it for XFree which is running now, which is not what i want |
| 23:33.03 | cbr | there's no difference |
| 23:33.09 | thorie | anyone know of a ftp mirroring site that will commit local changes (such as the deletion of a file) to the remote ftp server? |
| 23:33.10 | Draconicus | Um.... How can I cut all activity on a piece of hardware? My soundblaster is playing infinite midi notes... I can't make it stop! |
| 23:33.11 | paulswm | jpie: From what I've seen, several people have spent a considerable amount of time trying to help you. |
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| 23:33.24 | thorie | ftp mirroring program, sorry. |
| 23:33.29 | paulswm | bye nvz |
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| 23:33.34 | jpie | If you dont have the patience to help me out, just ignore me. Dont be an ass. |
| 23:33.34 | j4cbo | WARNING: the following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 23:33.43 | j4cbo | any documentation for the new apt? |
| 23:33.59 | jpie | Paulswm: Yeah, and I tried to tell them that I was getting errors/what they told me wasnt working...then they ignore me. |
| 23:33.59 | FieldySnuts | man apt? |
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| 23:34.16 | sparr_ | cbr: i dont believe you, but it shouldnt hurt to try |
| 23:34.38 | Draconicus | Oh... they stopped on their own. o.O |
| 23:34.50 | j4cbo | FieldySnuts: that doesn't tell me what the authentication system is |
| 23:34.51 | cbr | sparr_: x.org atm basically is the same as xfree |
| 23:34.54 | cbr | only better |
| 23:35.06 | FieldySnuts | and not supported by us, yet |
| 23:35.24 | sparr_ | cbr: yes, but im not running x.org yet |
| 23:35.29 | cbr | ah |
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| 23:35.48 | caphuso | j4cbo: what does "apt-get --version | head -1" say? |
| 23:36.00 | abrotman | cbr: not really |
| 23:36.11 | j4cbo | caphuso: 0.6.38 |
| 23:36.16 | humbolt | Imagine I me having 2 IPs on one interface. One a official routed IP and one private. The interface is connected to a switch that is connected to two FW interfaces with IPs in the networks of the host. |
| 23:36.18 | caphuso | j4cbo: *sigh* |
| 23:36.31 | humbolt | Is it possible to set a default gw for each network? |
| 23:36.31 | j4cbo | caphuso: ? |
| 23:36.44 | caphuso | j4cbo: why the hell did you install the APT from experimental? |
| 23:36.53 | j4cbo | i'm using sid |
| 23:36.53 | cbr | it's in sid |
| 23:37.03 | abrotman | what's in sid ? |
| 23:37.03 | cbr | i got it too today |
| 23:37.08 | j4cbo | i'm not that dumb :) |
| 23:37.09 | jdhutchin1 | humbolt, probably? route add -net whatever gw whatever |
| 23:37.11 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:37.13 | FieldySnuts | humbolt: yes, man route |
| 23:37.17 | caphuso | !info apt sid |
| 23:37.19 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section base, is important. Version: 0.6.38 (sid), Packaged size: 1163 kB, Installed size: 3304 kB |
| 23:37.22 | michal_ | how would one go about forwarding all sent mail from a number of accounts to a master account with postfix? is there some sort of alias like mechanism for sent mail? |
| 23:37.24 | caphuso | hrm, interesting... |
| 23:37.34 | abrotman | michal_: aliases .. #postfix |
| 23:37.41 | humbolt | I mean, I can't use the routed IP as default gw for the private net, can I? Eventhough they connect to the same FW. |
| 23:37.45 | caphuso | that makes it slightly less worse |
| 23:38.01 | michal_ | abrotman: you're sayimg aliases can handle sent mail? |
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| 23:38.10 | caphuso | j4cbo: ok, why the hell are you using unstable if you're not prepared to check the documentation for changes like that? |
| 23:38.15 | abrotman | michal_: oh .. that i don't know .. ask #postfix |
| 23:38.23 | j4cbo | caphuso: what documentation? |
| 23:38.44 | FieldySnuts | geez |
| 23:38.49 | humbolt | jdhutchin1: -net is to establish a route for a specific network, where the network specifies the destination and not the source, which is what I would need! |
| 23:38.50 | FieldySnuts | sidsmite? |
| 23:38.53 | FieldySnuts | ;) |
| 23:38.58 | j4cbo | man page says nothing, google comes up with nothing... |
| 23:39.00 | jdhutchin1 | michal_, postfix doesn't keep track of sent messages iirc |
| 23:39.03 | humbolt | FieldySnuts: I have been there |
| 23:39.29 | j4cbo | i fully expect weird things with sid, i just want to know what's going on |
| 23:39.38 | FieldySnuts | repeat(); |
| 23:39.50 | FieldySnuts | actually circular(); |
| 23:39.53 | furrywolf | grr! there's only two options I see... my scanner broke, while carefully sitting there on my table with neither power nor scsi connected, in such a fashion that it can still scan previews but not real scans, or some version of sane since last I used the scanner broke. |
| 23:39.57 | cbr | did the latest sid dist-upgrade break synaptic for you guys too? |
| 23:40.00 | FieldySnuts | department of redundancy department |
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| 23:41.40 | sparr_ | time to see if this worked |
| 23:41.41 | sparr_ | wish me luck |
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| 23:42.09 | j4cbo | anyway, the only info i can find wrt pki/apt refers to ubuntu hoary |
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| 23:42.15 | doc2 | how can i query my modem? |
| 23:42.24 | FieldySnuts | screetch really loud? |
| 23:42.25 | jimmyjoe | need recommendation for cheap external serial modem |
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| 23:42.53 | humbolt | What I actually want it to make my DNS which is behind a firewall in my DMZ available under two IPs. I have no problem setting up the NAT rules. |
| 23:42.55 | FieldySnuts | unfortunately external serial modems aren't cheap, thanks to the onslaught of winmodems (not 100% hardware), so when you want a 100% hardware modem, you really pay for it |
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| 23:43.04 | FieldySnuts | best to try to get one used |
| 23:43.47 | jimmyjoe | fieldysnuts: OK then. what serial modem works with Debian? |
| 23:43.57 | humbolt | My intension was to use 2 IPs of the same private network for the DNS in my DMZ and then NAT two official IPs of different networks to them. |
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| 23:44.27 | FieldySnuts | jimmyjoe: serial modems are extremely simple and always the same, pretty much any. |
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| 23:44.39 | humbolt | As it turned out, I cannot access my DNS on two private IPs of the same network. |
| 23:44.41 | humbolt | Why? |
| 23:44.45 | humbolt | Never? |
| 23:44.48 | shithole | hello yuns |
| 23:44.53 | FieldySnuts | not bound to both IP's? |
| 23:45.02 | FieldySnuts | lsof -i tcp:53 |
| 23:45.03 | jimmyjoe | I want to use debian as dialup (non-internet) file server to windows |
| 23:45.31 | shithole | :) |
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| 23:46.04 | humbolt | now it seems to work |
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| 23:46.26 | humbolt | looks like it just needed some time to update or something |
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| 23:47.24 | abrotman | how about a ban! |
| 23:47.31 | abrotman | bandaid! |
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| 23:48.36 | opc0de | hey I just overwrote a certain library from libc6 by mistake.. how can I obtain only that library from dpkg ? |
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| 23:49.06 | abrotman | that doesn't happen by mistake |
| 23:49.07 | humbolt | when I setup virtual interfaces, does it matter with which one I start? I have eth0 (official IP), eth0:0 (first private IP), eth0:1 (second private IP)? |
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| 23:49.14 | azeem | opc0de: extract the .deb manually via dpkg-deb -x |
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| 23:50.04 | humbolt | FieldySnuts: I did ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 and now it works |
| 23:50.08 | opc0de | abrotman: I was getting the following error from postfix: "postfix/postfix-script: warning: /var/spool/postfix/lib/libnss_compat-2.3.2.so and /lib/libnss_compat-2.3.2.so differ", since you need to copy these files to the chroot jail for postfix.. by mistake, I reversed the direction when I cp -f'd the file |
| 23:50.08 | FieldySnuts | got me |
| 23:50.33 | humbolt | FieldySnuts: But is there a way to make it work without taking down eth0? |
| 23:50.33 | abrotman | opc0de: so .. reinstall the other package ? |
| 23:50.42 | FieldySnuts | i have no idea |
| 23:50.47 | humbolt | I loose connectivity if I do that |
| 23:50.52 | opc0de | abrotman: what, ust apt-get install libc6 ? |
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| 23:51.01 | jetx | oh i got q'd |
| 23:51.10 | FieldySnuts | ya think? |
| 23:51.21 | jetx | well /lastlog says i did |
| 23:51.27 | FieldySnuts | i was being sarcastic |
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| 23:51.31 | jetx | me to |
| 23:51.33 | jetx | o |
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| 23:51.54 | flipy | hi |
| 23:52.06 | flipy | is there any way to start an installation from a usb mass storage device? |
| 23:52.19 | jetx | docs say yes |
| 23:52.26 | azeem | flipy: yes if your box support booting from it |
| 23:52.31 | flipy | yes, it does! |
| 23:52.40 | flipy | i fall in love with debian:) |
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| 23:52.59 | humbolt | FieldySnuts: lsof -i tcp:53 does show an IP that I had on eth0:1 before but that I have already changed. |
| 23:53.08 | FieldySnuts | humbolt: i could care less |
| 23:53.34 | humbolt | FieldySnuts: So you care. |
| 23:53.36 | FieldySnuts | ok |
| 23:53.38 | abrotman | opc0de: you can try it .. i'm a little confused as to what happened .. since two files in debian aren't supposed to be owned by the same package while both being installed |
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| 23:54.16 | sparr | what file contols the PATH when a user logs in? without user-specific configuration |
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| 23:54.26 | J_P | people, where i find kernel-source for debian > 2.6.8 ? |
| 23:54.40 | flipy | erm if i have an amd64 and want to install from a usb mass storage device, what do i need? |
| 23:54.43 | opc0de | thanks for the help guys |
| 23:54.45 | humbolt | FieldySnuts: you might want to rephrase your statement if you intended to state what I think you did. |
| 23:54.50 | abrotman | someone should ban that lilo creep :) |
| 23:54.51 | FieldySnuts | humbolt: stop talking at me. |
| 23:55.02 | FieldySnuts | knj: abrot*!*@* |
| 23:55.09 | FieldySnuts | wtf? I didn't say knj I said k: |
| 23:55.15 | Punkcut | is there a guide to installing debian while installing the linux bootloader on a second drive and booting with the windows bootloader? |
| 23:55.30 | sparr | is there a debian way to install nvidia drivers for a non-standard X installation? such as X.org installed somewhere other than where XFree is installed? |
| 23:55.40 | caphuso | sparr: obviously not |
| 23:55.43 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: ? |
| 23:55.47 | FieldySnuts | wtf is with all the xorg questions, geez |
| 23:56.00 | sparr | FieldySnuts: i have to upgrade |
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| 23:56.04 | abrotman | sparr: xorg isn't in debian .. we don't know |
| 23:56.16 | paulswm | Have a safe night, all. |
| 23:56.18 | FieldySnuts | what abrotman said, if you do it, please don't come to us (we don't support it) |
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| 23:56.36 | sparr | finally got to the point that a feature i need is in X.org but not in XFree |
| 23:56.43 | abrotman | need ? |
| 23:56.44 | sparr | i was hoping debian would adopt it before i encountered that |
| 23:56.49 | FieldySnuts | what I kinda fear is a lot of people doing this stuff (installing xorg some way or another) and then asking for help here on xfree, and failing to tell us |
| 23:56.49 | abrotman | ask thier support poeple |
| 23:57.07 | FieldySnuts | and we'll try to help them and it'll take 40 minutes then you figure it out: they're running xorg. |
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| 23:57.23 | ilyanep | Hey guys...when I tried to install (dual-boot) debian with Win XP last time, it screwed up my partitions and almost rendered my hard drive useless. I believe somebody told me that was fixed. Is that true? |
| 23:57.26 | j4cbo | so what key is it that signs the debian repository? |
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| 23:57.40 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: soon enough .. we'll get to support both! |
| 23:57.51 | FieldySnuts | yikes |
| 23:58.05 | Punkcut | ilyanep you wouldnt be trying to do that with NTDLR on the mbr and grub/lilo on (hd1/2) |
| 23:58.07 | abrotman | j4cbo: say what ? |
| 23:58.25 | j4cbo | to have apt-get trust the stuff in debian |
| 23:58.41 | j4cbo | analagous to https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary |
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| 23:59.20 | debeibwen | is there a quicker way to register all the install cd's without having to feed them in one by one at the beginning? |
| 23:59.34 | ilyanep | Punkcut: I don't think so...it was supposed to overwrite NTLDR w/ Grub/Lilo on the MBR ... and when I tried to load Windows it said 'no operating system found' and the MBR was screwed up until I did a total reformat and installed Windows *98* over it |
| 23:59.52 | Delph | debeibwen: yeah, buy a net connection and use that =:/ |
