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| 00:00.45 | Delph | debeibwen: afaik, it's setup just to read a packagelist from <a cd>, there's no concept of what's on a particular CD until you put it in the drive. |
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| 00:01.32 | debeibwen | i might've misinterpreted my experience.... |
| 00:02.41 | debeibwen | i gathered that it creates it's list of installable programs by feeding them in one by one... *sigh* |
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| 00:03.26 | alberto_ | my sound card doesnt work |
| 00:03.36 | alberto_ | and when i do a dmesg i see this message |
| 00:03.37 | alberto_ | ATI IXP AC97 controller: probe of 0000:00:14.5 failed with error -13 |
| 00:03.45 | alberto_ | what does it mean and how can i fix it? |
| 00:03.47 | Delph | debeibwen: most people just use network-based installs these days, anyway. |
| 00:03.55 | alberto_ | i been googleing but havent been sucessfull |
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| 00:07.32 | hendry | I have a garbled screen in Debconf : http://www.flickr.com/photos/16105436@N00/22252120/ |
| 00:07.38 | hendry | How do I solve this typically? |
| 00:08.20 | Delph | alberto_: google says it's a kernel problem, possibly fixed with various patches to the kernel (some speak of the mm patches, others of 2.6.10) |
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| 00:08.46 | alberto_ | i do have 2.6.10,,, i think |
| 00:09.11 | Delph | hendry: the machine you're SSH'ng into is talking UTF-8, the putty you're using isn't. |
| 00:09.19 | alberto_ | Delph, i have 2.6.8.1-5-386 |
| 00:09.27 | Delph | fix the putty, or don't run in UTF-8 mode on the server. |
| 00:10.03 | Delph | this is based on the A-o,character pairs where linedrawing characters should be. |
| 00:10.07 | abrotman | hendry: have you gotten a recent putty ? |
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| 00:10.36 | nyterukh | lol that was wierd |
| 00:10.49 | Delph | alberto_: might be worth updating your kernel to the latest |
| 00:10.58 | ja0x | jl |
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| 00:11.19 | alberto_ | i do apt-get upgrade,,, and it doesnt get the latest |
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| 00:11.23 | debeibwen | Delph: I'm working over a wireless modem, ~ 8KB real. |
| 00:11.24 | alberto_ | how can i do this from apt-get? |
| 00:11.35 | nyterukh | okie...maybe i shoulda read the wbsite for openswan before installing it |
| 00:12.31 | nyterukh | mm |
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| 00:12.55 | ptlis | alberto_: You have to apt-get update first. |
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| 00:13.27 | nyterukh | ok...my mobo has an onboard sound card...everytim i log in...it says cant loa /dev/dsp no such device. what can i do different |
| 00:14.01 | alberto_ | i tried |
| 00:14.17 | MrVoid | i'm installing debian, i boot off the cd, it gets to installing the base system, and it says it couldn't find the base system on the cdrom, even though i'm sure it's on there. i believe i had this same problem with another computer back in the day when i installed debian before, i think i had to manually mount the cdrom, can anyone help? |
| 00:15.35 | nyterukh | sorry i cant |
| 00:15.37 | Delph | alberto_: well, at this point someone's meant to point to how to install it, but due to the lack of those people, i'd suggest rolling your own kernel. If you're the sort of person who thinks there's a debian way, please say it now, or forever hold your peace =:) |
| 00:15.39 | hendry | Delph: utf8, oh yeah. But it still looks a bit funny : http://www.flickr.com/photos/16105436@N00/22253457/ |
| 00:15.56 | hendry | abrotman: sure my putty is up to date. but i don't think it handles utf8 by default |
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| 00:16.36 | Delph | hendry: you putty font doesn't have the correct linedrawing characters in it. |
| 00:16.39 | Delph | *your |
| 00:16.51 | alberto_ | delph i understand |
| 00:16.53 | alberto_ | :) |
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| 00:17.00 | alberto_ | im trying to find info in google |
| 00:17.08 | Delph | so it's displaying an a, where it should be a - or | or whatever. |
| 00:17.12 | alberto_ | gettting lost in tooo much |
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| 00:17.24 | abrotman | hendry: should say on the site |
| 00:22.50 | capu | whats the commands for checking my kernel version? |
| 00:23.00 | Pryon | uname -r |
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| 00:23.56 | capu | thx |
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| 00:27.54 | ecobit | what is a good open-source monitoring system? |
| 00:28.02 | ecobit | nagios and mon? any others? |
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| 00:28.05 | MrVoid | when debian asks what kernel image i want, which one do i want :-)? i have an amd 3000+ |
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| 00:28.08 | Bpaq | rea ll |
| 00:28.24 | ecobit | MrVoid: i think that's a k7 |
| 00:28.44 | unworldly | greetings programs |
| 00:28.51 | remmy | anyone use k3b? |
| 00:29.08 | MrVoid | 2.6.8-2-686-smp? |
| 00:29.10 | MrVoid | i don't know what smp is |
| 00:29.21 | unworldly | multiple processors |
| 00:29.30 | unworldly | or one of them p4 hyperthreading things |
| 00:29.45 | MrVoid | so i guess just the regular 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 00:29.48 | ecobit | MrVoid: multiple cpu |
| 00:30.04 | trave11er | if it's not amd64, you want -k7 |
| 00:30.09 | ecobit | MrVoid: can you fucking read?? i just said its a k7 |
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| 00:30.34 | unworldly | no need to get cross at him |
| 00:30.35 | MrVoid | ecobit: chill out dude, chat is coming in spurts, i think comcast is playing tricks on me |
| 00:31.15 | MrVoid | anyway, k7 isn't really an option here, i have 686,386, and 686 with smp for the 2.6 kernel, which i assume i want |
| 00:31.19 | ecobit | its not like you couldn't use apt-cache to read the friggin package info yourself, or man apt to find out how to do that |
| 00:31.36 | MrVoid | ecobit: clean install, i'm on freaking xp righ tnow |
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| 00:32.15 | Bpaq | rea ll |
| 00:32.39 | ecobit | MrVoid: install 386 and then install k7 after the install |
| 00:32.41 | unworldly | I run a tainted debian with mixed apt sources, working decently so far, just have to know better then to ask for help with it in here |
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| 00:33.52 | MrVoid | ecobit: i'm not quite sure why it should be that complicated upon clean install, but i'll try it out, thanks |
| 00:33.55 | ecobit | sorry i didnt' realize it was an install |
| 00:34.52 | abrotman | MrVoid: -k7 |
| 00:34.53 | Bpaq | quick issue abotu lvm, i can see it i can do a vgscan lvscan pvscan etc, but i can't seem to find the right device to mount. On my other dist it creates a /dev/<vgname>/<lvname> for me using the mapper. I know i'm missing something but i can't seem to figure out how to get this done :( i've used lvm in debian before but i can't seem to recreate what i've done in the past. I have lvm2 and lvm10 installed as well as evms and evmsgui |
| 00:35.04 | MrVoid | abrotman: i have no idea how to do that |
| 00:35.12 | abrotman | MrVoid: that's the kernel you need :) |
| 00:35.22 | abrotman | MrVoid: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 k7 |
| 00:35.38 | MrVoid | abrotman: well once i get debian installed, i'll try getting that package |
| 00:35.44 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:35.52 | unworldly | does it perform noticably better than 386? |
| 00:36.05 | unworldly | I cant really notice much difference between 686 and 386 |
| 00:36.25 | abrotman | did you install libc6-686 ? |
| 00:36.35 | MrVoid | i can't let my cycles go to waste, they must perform to their upmost potential! |
| 00:36.48 | unworldly | hmmm |
| 00:36.48 | abrotman | right .. like irc |
| 00:37.11 | unworldly | unless apt did it wihtout me realizing, i havent installed it |
| 00:37.22 | unworldly | guess I could run and check really quick |
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| 00:40.32 | unworldly | if I apt-get libc6-686 will is get rid of the old version for me? |
| 00:41.17 | abrotman | unworldly: yep |
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| 00:42.02 | eydaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.08 | eydaimon | anyone know how to deal with that? |
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| 00:42.15 | eydaimon | tried fsck, didn't help |
| 00:43.27 | abrotman | pray for your data ? |
| 00:43.53 | awins | anybody has an idea abt /include/asm-um/ptrace-i386.h file? |
| 00:46.10 | unworldly | sweet |
| 00:47.00 | unworldly | guess libc6 is installed now |
| 00:47.02 | unworldly | horay |
| 00:47.12 | unworldly | maybe now I notice it being faster? |
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| 00:47.29 | humbolt | Is it ture that debian is gonna die? |
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| 00:47.37 | kobs | it's already dead |
| 00:47.59 | aire | shh, you'll scare the kids |
| 00:48.06 | humbolt | I heard all the devs move to ubuntu? |
| 00:48.12 | kobs | sigh |
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| 00:48.30 | unworldly | how is deb dieing? |
| 00:48.31 | unworldly | heh |
| 00:48.55 | aire | malignant noob cancer :| |
| 00:48.59 | abrotman | humbolt: it can't you fucktard .. if debian dies .. what will ubuntu be based on ? |
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| 00:49.22 | sparr | how can I tell where XFree is catching a signal 11 from, causing it to fail to start up? |
| 00:49.24 | abrotman | ubuntu could just branch off ... |
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| 00:49.56 | abrotman | they have enough devs they could work totally independently of debian |
| 00:49.59 | ecobit | sparr: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 00:50.09 | sparr | ecobit: just tells me it caught signal 11 |
| 00:50.13 | abrotman | but i don't see how that kills debian |
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| 00:50.33 | abrotman | bah .. who cares .. |
| 00:50.35 | ecobit | sparr: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 00:50.41 | trave11er | abrotman: would the same be too hard to say without calling people names? |
| 00:50.52 | sparr | ecobit: no errors |
| 00:50.58 | abrotman | trave11er: yes |
| 00:51.22 | ecobit | sparr: running startx in a console? |
| 00:51.34 | sparr | ecobit: yes. same thing happens using kdm as well. |
| 00:51.50 | sparr | ecobit: also if i just run X |
| 00:52.18 | humbolt | abrotman: strong words, uiuiui, fucktard .... how easy a you can get upset, remarkable |
| 00:52.20 | ecobit | sparr: the log should tell you why it crashed, if indeed it did crash |
| 00:52.34 | sparr | ecobit: i agree, it should. would make things far easier |
| 00:52.55 | abrotman | humbolt: then go ask #ubuntu |
| 00:52.57 | ecobit | sparr: are you sure it did crash? did it even start? |
| 00:52.59 | remmy | what can you watch .mov's with? |
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| 00:53.05 | sparr | Caught signal 11. Server aborting |
| 00:53.06 | humbolt | what for? |
| 00:53.06 | abrotman | humbolt: if you don't like it .. don't ask stupid fucking questions |
| 00:53.08 | sparr | thats what it says |
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| 00:53.11 | initech | remmy: mplayer, xine |
| 00:53.14 | sparr | maybe it didnt crash |
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| 00:53.24 | spiorf | sparr, also my xorg crashes catching signal 11 |
| 00:53.26 | sparr | i could reproduce that by doing a kill -11 X |
| 00:53.27 | trave11er | humbolt: debian has enough momentum and a lot of people in nm queue to keep going |
| 00:53.31 | ecobit | sparr: did you install x-window-system-core ? |
| 00:53.36 | humbolt | I like it, that's why I asked. Late night entertainment! |
| 00:53.50 | sparr | ecobit: yes |
| 00:53.53 | trave11er | humbolt: i don't think there is anything to worry about |
| 00:53.57 | spiorf | but after hours of uptime |
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| 00:54.05 | unworldly | heh, im running debian but I tainted it with xorg from an ubuntoo apt source |
| 00:54.08 | br87 | in debian network install, the installer cant find any of the http/ftp servers in apt-get so can i manually set up my network instead of dhcp? |
| 00:54.08 | abrotman | the biggest thing we could lose would be lots of gnome packages for debian .. but i don't think that's all that much of a problem |
| 00:54.09 | ecobit | sparr: and then 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' ? |
| 00:54.17 | sparr | ecobit: ok, ill do that |
| 00:54.20 | abrotman | err packagers |
| 00:54.21 | abrotman | not packages |
| 00:54.35 | trave11er | unworldly: you are quite a rebel, aren't you? ;-) |
| 00:54.44 | ratifers | alguem saberia me dizer em qual pacote está o kde-config ? |
| 00:54.46 | ecobit | wow that might be a plus even |
| 00:54.51 | unworldly | not really, just following some web pages |
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| 00:55.07 | humbolt | trave110er: well, at least nothing worrying enogh to get me as upset as fucktard oh, abrotman I mean. |
| 00:55.22 | sparr | ecobit: no change after that |
| 00:55.31 | abrotman | humbolt: i don't mind being called names .. you fucktard |
| 00:55.33 | Belboz | Hey all, I need to change the permissions on /dev/sd* how do I go about that? |
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| 00:55.35 | unworldly | it kinda gets hard to find ppl willing to help fix stuff when I tell them im not using purely deb's sources |
| 00:55.38 | trave11er | humbolt: please don't try to provoke people |
| 00:55.40 | br87 | why can't apt-get connect to http/ftp servers when i'm installing over network? |
| 00:55.42 | remmy | initech, k6 586 or 386? |
| 00:55.50 | ecobit | sparr: did it work before? |
| 00:55.51 | abrotman | humbolt: you honestly think you're the first? |
| 00:55.52 | trave11er | humbolt: if you are unhappy with someone, use /ignore |
| 00:55.53 | sparr | br87: can you ping? |
| 00:56.00 | initech | remmy: ? K7 |
| 00:56.04 | br87 | i dont know |
| 00:56.08 | br87 | havent tried it |
| 00:56.11 | sparr | ecobit: yes, but im sure ive screwed something up since then |
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| 00:56.34 | capu | can anyone tell me what the error: "ISO-8859-1 character encoding detected by locale settings." might mean? it comes up when I try to burn a DVD |
| 00:56.38 | humbolt | trave11er: Well, I don't mind. |
| 00:56.44 | ecobit | sparr: did you check your ~/.xsession or .xinitrc? |
| 00:56.50 | humbolt | trave11er: Freedom of speach! |
| 00:57.01 | abrotman | then don't cry about it |
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| 00:57.20 | trave11er | humbolt: turning place into a zoo has nothing to do with freedom of speech |
| 00:57.22 | sparr | ecobit: dont have em |
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| 00:57.58 | jason123 | Ok guys, i got an issue with debian. When i start the comuter, it goes through all the boot sequence, loading all the stuff. Then it does this weird screen and it fades white then black and just stops. Im not sure why its doing this, but im wondering if there is any way i can fix this. |
| 00:58.00 | ecobit | sparr: maybe your window manager has a problem? try putting exec fluxbox in .xession and running startx |
| 00:58.16 | humbolt | I just wanted to find out, what people think about the fact that some papers are predicting that debian might loose it's importance |
| 00:58.21 | ecobit | sparr: after installing fluxbox of course |
| 00:58.27 | ptlis | Bullshit. |
| 00:58.30 | abrotman | jason123: is it starting X ? |
| 00:58.32 | sparr | ecobit: no change |
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| 00:58.42 | ptlis | You might as well tell us HTTP isn't significant :P |
| 00:58.44 | abrotman | humbolt: we still don't care |
| 00:58.53 | abrotman | humbolt: either use it or don't .. |
| 00:58.54 | jason123 | I believe so. Lemme look at what it says befoer it dies. |
| 00:58.57 | ecobit | sparr: what the heck did you do? |
| 00:59.22 | humbolt | abortman: Who is we, am I part of your we? Are you some kind of spokes person? |
| 00:59.31 | abrotman | that's one word |
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| 00:59.46 | surrounder | thatsoneword |
| 00:59.47 | humbolt | Speak for your self, not others. |
| 00:59.47 | abrotman | humbolt: get the opinion of #knoppix .. see what they have to say |
| 00:59.52 | sparr | ecobit: compiled X.org, installed it NOT on top of XFree, modified my paths to point to the new X, tried to install nvidia drivers a few times, got it working, discovered the version of x.org i had didnt do what i needed, deleted it, reset paths, reinstalled nvidia drivers the debian way after purging them from my modules |
| 00:59.57 | abrotman | that's also one word |
| 01:00.04 | ecobit | sparr: of fuck. you're wasting my time |
| 01:00.05 | surrounder | \o/ |
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| 01:00.12 | jason123 | No, its when it is starting Gnome |
| 01:00.23 | sparr | ok |
| 01:00.25 | ecobit | sparr: okay. you say you didn't install over x |
| 01:00.33 | jason123 | Its making this really weird screen. It is like fading colors. And then it just dies. |
| 01:00.35 | ecobit | sparr: but you probably fucked something up |
| 01:00.36 | surrounder | *fucks off |
| 01:01.00 | Eulex | I've made a how-to on how to install debian on a dell inspiron 6000 -- http://eulex.0nyx.com/inspiron6000.html |
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| 01:01.26 | unworldly | I think debian will survive, it just doesnt have the same set of priorities as some of those authors want |
| 01:01.27 | ecobit | sparr: maybe apt-get install --reinstall all your x stuff. have fun |
| 01:01.39 | humbolt | jason123: have those screens on my laptop, when TV-out fucks up. |
| 01:02.05 | abrotman | !qotd51 |
| 01:02.06 | jason123 | Anything I can do about it. |
| 01:02.06 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
| 01:02.07 | sparr | ecobit: will try that, thanks |
| 01:02.10 | jason123 | Its happening everytime |
| 01:02.26 | abrotman | jason123: what video card? |
| 01:02.37 | sparr | the nvidia drivers dont do XRANDR rotation :( |
| 01:02.38 | sparr | wtf |
| 01:02.42 | jason123 | Uhm, just some intergrated Gateway card |
| 01:02.48 | abrotman | sparr: nvidia sucks :) |
| 01:02.58 | abrotman | jason123: that might be important :) |
| 01:02.59 | Belboz | hey guys, how do I change the permissions on my scanner so my user has read/write privledges? |
| 01:03.10 | abrotman | jason123: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 01:03.12 | jason123 | Hmm. |
| 01:03.13 | Belboz | it's a USB scanner |
| 01:03.17 | unworldly | someone should start a demoscene apt source so we can watch demos easier, they tend to have alot of nasty dependencies |
| 01:03.17 | jason123 | I cant get anywhere. |
| 01:03.28 | jason123 | It wont let me do aything, cause its automaticly booting to gnome |
| 01:03.46 | Eulex | unworldly, that would be kewl |
| 01:03.46 | abrotman | boot into single user mode ? |
| 01:04.05 | jason123 | i cant. Its automaticly booting to recovery mode with gnome automaticly starting as well. |
| 01:04.10 | unworldly | that would almost require that tainted nvidia or ati driver though |
| 01:04.18 | jason123 | It goes through all this crap and i dont have acess to the command line |
| 01:04.25 | abrotman | jason123: when you boot the system |
| 01:04.25 | unworldly | guess it would end up being a non-free |
| 01:04.35 | unworldly | are they really gonna drop non-free entirely? |
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| 01:04.59 | Eulex | jason123, boot in single user mode |
| 01:05.02 | sparr | what package provides/builds /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
| 01:05.20 | Gnea | sparr: dpkg -S /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 01:05.20 | unworldly | x-window-system? |
| 01:05.24 | Eulex | sparr: xserver-xfree86? |
| 01:05.28 | jason123 | wait holod on. |
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| 01:06.35 | sparr | Gnea: not found |
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| 01:07.23 | jason123 | should i load recovery or regular? |
| 01:07.26 | abrotman | sparr: leave off the leading / |
| 01:07.30 | abrotman | and it's generated by debconf |
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| 01:08.32 | abrotman | !rip cyrus |
| 01:08.43 | Gnea | heh |
| 01:09.07 | shingouz | into divx? |
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| 01:09.15 | jason123 | abrotman: when i try and open the XFree log i get cant determine DISPLAY |
| 01:09.27 | jason123 | What do i do from there? |
| 01:09.29 | abrotman | how are you trying to open it ? |
| 01:09.34 | jason123 | with kate |
| 01:09.45 | Belboz | hey guys, I need some help getting my scanner going |
| 01:09.46 | jason123 | i dont know of any other ways to open it |
| 01:09.48 | shingouz | less is good for that |
| 01:09.48 | abrotman | ok .. so kde works .. gnome doesn't ? |
| 01:10.05 | Eulex | jason123, single user mode in grub, if you're using lilo, I dunno... anyway, gotta go to bed |
| 01:10.06 | jason123 | No, im in the root shell |
| 01:10.16 | Belboz | I need to get my user permissions to read and write to the scanner |
| 01:10.17 | abrotman | try .. less .. or vi .. or more |
| 01:10.19 | Eulex | jason123, nano or vim |
| 01:10.24 | shingouz | jason123: use less for the logs |
| 01:10.24 | Eulex | or cat |
| 01:10.30 | abrotman | Eulex: vim isn't in base system |
| 01:10.32 | abrotman | nvi is |
| 01:10.37 | abrotman | vi is aliased to nvi |
| 01:10.40 | abrotman | i think vim isn't |
| 01:10.44 | shingouz | it is |
| 01:10.46 | abrotman | maybe one day .. i'll check |
| 01:10.46 | Eulex | oh, ok |
| 01:10.49 | jason123 | Ok, i got it. What do you want me to tell you about it. |
| 01:10.56 | abrotman | look for EE lines |
| 01:10.57 | Eulex | anyway, goodnight |
| 01:11.01 | shingouz | nite |
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| 01:11.39 | Belboz | doesn't anyone know how to change the permissions on a scanner? |
| 01:11.45 | sparr | "Caught signal 11. Server aborting" how can i tell where that signal came from? |
| 01:11.48 | abrotman | what group owns the device ? |
| 01:11.56 | abrotman | !sig11 |
| 01:11.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
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| 01:12.22 | Barny | alguien escribe español????????????????'' |
| 01:12.26 | sparr | ok, any tips on tracking down whats causing it? |
| 01:12.27 | Belboz | abrotman, as far as I know, only root can read and write to it right now |
| 01:12.38 | sparr | maybe its about time to reinstall the os on this box |
| 01:12.43 | shingouz | !es |
| 01:12.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:12.57 | Belboz | abrotman, I did try putting the device on the "video" group, which my user is a part of, but that didn't work |
| 01:13.01 | abrotman | Belboz: ls -l /dev/dvice |
| 01:13.04 | abrotman | device even |
| 01:13.08 | Barny | speak spanish, or only english??? |
| 01:13.23 | sbk | How can I find out the current sbrk value for a process? |
| 01:13.25 | nvz | Barny: just english here, use #debian-es for spanish |
| 01:13.30 | shingouz | Belboz: let ths device sit in scanner and add yourself to the group scanner instead |
| 01:13.33 | sparr | when i manage to dig myself into a hole this deep a reinstall is usually the easiest solution |
| 01:13.42 | Barny | #debiam-es |
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| 01:13.58 | abrotman | sparr: they make this OS .. called .. Windows .. heard of it? :) |
| 01:14.01 | jason123 | Ok Found this: (EE) xf960OpenSerial: Cannot open device. |
| 01:14.14 | jason123 | (EE)Generic Mouse: Cannot open device |
| 01:14.18 | sparr | abrotman: same goes for there too :-p |
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| 01:14.21 | abrotman | jason123: yay |
| 01:14.37 | jason123 | Alright? |
| 01:14.37 | br87 | no i'm not abrotman |
| 01:14.40 | abrotman | jason123: do you have a serial mouse ? |
| 01:14.54 | jason123 | no, its one of those built in laptop ones |
| 01:14.59 | br87 | but you do have my name right :) |
| 01:15.05 | newuser1 | Has anyone encountered any issues with xserver with the debian sarge (kernal 2.6) install? |
| 01:15.20 | snerfu | Anyone have a link to an example ssl configuration for apache2 in the way the configs are layed out under sarge? |
| 01:15.32 | abrotman | jason123: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .. pick /dev/input/mice when it asks where your mouse is .. if that doesn't work .. do it again . and pick /dev/psaux |
| 01:15.47 | abrotman | newuser1: try not to be so vague |
| 01:16.05 | br87 | in network install, unable to connect to any http/ftp mirrors in apt-get, but can ping network and dns |
| 01:16.15 | br87 | any suggestions? |
| 01:16.26 | jason123 | ok abrotman: im stuck in less. It wont let me end it |
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| 01:16.35 | Belboz | damn, I don't even know where the scanner is |
| 01:16.39 | abrotman | jason123: hit q |
| 01:16.53 | jason123 | whops ;) |
| 01:16.57 | newuser1 | installed debian, and choose desktop server... Xserver would not start. installed xserver-xfree86 and attempted to configure outside of the install er and can't get it to start. |
| 01:16.58 | jason123 | ok lemme try it out |
| 01:17.01 | abrotman | br87: you're in the installer now ? |
| 01:17.09 | Belboz | I don't even see a "USB" or "scanner" in /dev |
| 01:17.11 | br87 | no, i switched into windows |
| 01:17.33 | br87 | i pinged in the installer though |
| 01:17.35 | abrotman | br87: your network AND dns work ? .. |
| 01:17.49 | br87 | i pinged another computer and my dns and both work |
| 01:17.57 | abrotman | Belboz: dmesg .. see where it is |
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| 01:19.05 | jason123 | Thanks abrotman, im rebooting now to see if its working. |
| 01:19.19 | abrotman | br87: what is your network card ? |
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| 01:19.34 | br87 | hold on a sec, but i think its an EMZ something |
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| 01:20.08 | abrotman | smz ? |
| 01:20.22 | br87 | yeah |
| 01:20.24 | br87 | sorry |
| 01:20.25 | abrotman | smc ? |
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| 01:21.04 | br87 | smc ez card 10/100 pci (smc1211 series) |
| 01:21.12 | dontpanic | I know this is the debain channle but the fokes in the knoppix one are not talking |
| 01:21.14 | abrotman | should be a standard driver |
| 01:21.23 | sparr | say i wanted to reinstall XFree completely, which packages would i need to purge and what are the appropriate commands? |
| 01:21.26 | abrotman | !they dont know |
| 01:21.28 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:21.38 | dontpanic | and knoppix is built on debian |
| 01:21.40 | shingouz | insert the ' there |
| 01:21.59 | abrotman | dontpanic: we really don't know how to compile kernels on knoppix |
| 01:22.07 | shingouz | dontpanic: ask #knoppix or risk getting larted |
| 01:22.09 | Belboz | damn, this sucks |
| 01:22.21 | shingouz | !they don't know |
| 01:22.21 | jason123 | abrotman, now it says my video driver isnt setup correctly. Is there anyway i can just get kde running. Ive ran kde for a while and i like it better than gnome. |
| 01:22.22 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 01:22.25 | nvz | abrotman: I dont know what it is you are giving up, but its not even dark yet here.. I would say its probably not worth giving up for the night |
| 01:22.33 | Belboz | why isn't there a /usb inside of /dev? |
| 01:22.38 | abrotman | jason123: what about your video card isn't set up ? |
| 01:22.49 | abrotman | nvz: you're in japan now ? |
| 01:22.53 | jason123 | It says video driver isnt setup correctly. |
| 01:23.00 | abrotman | jason123: so fix that ? |
| 01:23.06 | dontpanic | ok then |
| 01:23.07 | abrotman | jason123: you need to know what kind of video card you have |
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| 01:23.19 | nvz | abrotman: nope Pennsylvania |
| 01:23.32 | abrotman | nvz: still ? |
| 01:23.41 | jason123 | Hmm |
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| 01:23.50 | nvz | yep |
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| 01:23.58 | abrotman | nvz: i thought you were moving again |
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| 01:24.05 | nvz | abrotman: nope |
| 01:24.25 | Belboz | does anyone know why I don't have a /usb in /dev? |
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| 01:24.44 | sparr | [pid 7627] write(0, "Initializing extension GLX\n", 27) = 27 |
| 01:24.45 | abrotman | Belboz: i don't either .. don't cry |
| 01:24.54 | sparr | thats the last thing strace sees before the sigsegv |
| 01:24.57 | abrotman | Belboz: did you look at dmesg to see where your scanner is ? |
| 01:25.14 | Belboz | yeah, i couldn't make heads nor tails of that thing |
| 01:25.27 | Belboz | I didn't see the word scanner anywhere in there |
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| 01:25.54 | Belboz | sane-find-scanner finds it, but doesn't list the location, at least not the way I'm used to |
| 01:26.04 | abrotman | Belboz: lsusb ? |
| 01:26.25 | Belboz | libusb:004:003 |
| 01:26.45 | Belboz | Bus 004 Device 003: ID 04b0:4001 Nikon Corp. |
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| 01:27.00 | Belboz | abrotman, that's the one |
| 01:27.04 | abrotman | -v ? |
| 01:27.14 | abrotman | -t ? |
| 01:27.17 | abrotman | man lsusb .. |
| 01:27.31 | abrotman | i don't have a scanner .. i can't really tell you exactly how .. you might have to read a little |
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| 01:28.24 | albino | Is there a way I can get the .config file from a standard debian installed by the default installer? |
| 01:28.35 | albino | s/debian/debian kernel/ |
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| 01:28.51 | abrotman | albino: not in /boot/ ? |
| 01:28.54 | shingouz | a Nikon scanner.... i am envious... i am also a hardcore nikonist. not to mention tired /me goes off to sleep |
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| 01:29.05 | abrotman | shingouz: quitter! |
| 01:29.06 | dontpanic | in that case I have a debian questian |
| 01:29.25 | albino | abrotman: There it is, thanks. That will save me a ton of time. |
| 01:29.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:29.46 | abrotman | night shingouz |
| 01:29.58 | Belboz | nite shingouz |
| 01:30.02 | spart | I need a revision-control system and im thinking subversion (only used cvs previously) anyone want to advise me different before i install ? :) |
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| 01:30.21 | dontpanic | when I tried to install debian (sarge) I ended up with a comand line, should I have k desktop? |
| 01:30.31 | abrotman | spart: only bad thing i know is that apparently if the svn db goes poof .. all data gone :) |
| 01:30.39 | abrotman | dontpanic: not by default ... |
| 01:30.43 | abrotman | dontpanic: you have to install it |
| 01:30.56 | spart | abrotman you mean the data checked into the repo right? |
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| 01:31.07 | Belboz | man, this is killing me. I can easily run the scanning software as root, but then it creates files that only root can modify |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | spart: yeah .. apparently not common .. but has happened .. though .. CVS has its own set of issues :) |
| 01:31.30 | spart | ... abrotman so the repo goes, but not the actual data (?) |
| 01:31.42 | abrotman | spart: no . from myunderstanding . it all goes byebye |
| 01:31.52 | spart | abrotman that's scary. heh |
| 01:32.13 | spart | got any other options for me? hehe |
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| 01:32.29 | abrotman | spart: you might want to double check that craptastic piece of info with the svn channel |
| 01:32.35 | Belboz | abrotman, is there a scanner group? |
| 01:32.42 | spart | abrotman good idea =-) |
| 01:32.52 | Belboz | I'm trying to peice together what shingouz said |
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| 01:33.07 | abrotman | spart: #svn |
| 01:33.07 | dontpanic | it is on one of the 7 disks? |
| 01:33.08 | Erez | Hi, I just installed sarge and do not know where to go from here (first linux installation). How do I edit services in init.d? is there an easy tool or GUI? what website do you suggest? |
| 01:33.43 | abrotman | dontpanic: you have broadband ? |
| 01:33.50 | NewpZ | hi whats the best way to get my debian box at work to interact wth the exchange server? i tried to get evolutions with the exchange plugin working but i cant seem to get it to work.. i even pulled down the source of the connector and compuiled it.. still nada |
| 01:33.52 | dontpanic | yse |
| 01:33.56 | trave11er | spart: http://better-scm.berlios.de/ |
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| 01:34.03 | abrotman | dontpanic: use the 100ish MB installer |
| 01:34.08 | abrotman | !d-i dontpanic |
| 01:34.09 | dpkg | dontpanic, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:34.11 | Grumbly | help me please |
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| 01:34.16 | abrotman | !tell dontpanic about install kde |
| 01:34.21 | Grumbly | I can't get gdm to load. |
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| 01:34.25 | Grumbly | I'm on a mac |
| 01:34.29 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:34.30 | dpkg | i heard ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 01:34.32 | Ghidorah | does anyone know how to update glib, gtk+ and pango? |
| 01:34.34 | spart | Erez sysvconfig or syv-rc-conf or update-rc.d |
| 01:34.44 | spart | make that sysv-rc-conf |
| 01:34.50 | Ghidorah | I install it over the debian packages but it messes things up |
| 01:34.51 | Grumbly | Ghidorah:try apt-get? |
| 01:35.03 | Ghidorah | there isn't new packages out for the newer versions |
| 01:35.13 | Grumbly | then no |
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| 01:35.20 | spart | thanks trave11er |
| 01:35.47 | Erez | thanks spart |
| 01:36.08 | abrotman | ok . don't fucking go to #debianppc |
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| 01:36.25 | trave11er | spart: and svn has an alternative repo format (fsfs) now, which does not rely on berkeley db, and afaik crashes less often, if at all |
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| 01:37.09 | Neffertiti | Is anyone using cdrecord (NOT pro-dvd) from debian testing with 2.6.8 kernel without using ide-scsi on a DVD burner? |
| 01:37.20 | Neffertiti | i'm having a heck of a time getting cdrecord to record a cd- |
| 01:37.23 | spart | thx trave11er i think i'll go with svn and hope for the best |
| 01:37.34 | Neffertiti | teh lists seem to indicate (jorg) that you have to use cdrecord-prodvd |
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| 01:39.10 | abrotman | nothing like hoping for the best with your VCS :) |
| 01:39.12 | Neffertiti | I mean the list.debian.org/cdwrite |
| 01:39.34 | Guerin | Ghidorah: you don't want to install custom versions of glib, gtk+ and pango. Use the ones in debian. |
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| 01:41.07 | [jason] | quick question |
| 01:41.08 | Neffertiti | Sorry I accidentally went to other window :-) If anyone answered me about cdrecord I missed it. What's teh consensus on usig hde=ide-scsi in boot vs no ide-scsi under 2.6.8 |
| 01:41.22 | [jason] | is there a quick and easy way to build a crosscompiler with debian? |
| 01:41.36 | Guerin | [jason]: eh? |
| 01:41.46 | Guerin | [jason]: gcc not good enough for ya? |
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| 01:41.49 | [jason] | I mean, is there a crosscompiler package? |
| 01:41.56 | [jason] | already compiled |
| 01:42.09 | Guerin | !b-e [jason] |
| 01:42.10 | dpkg | [jason]: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 01:42.21 | [jason] | interesting |
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| 01:43.03 | Neffertiti | Since cdrecord-prodvd is available for individual use is there a deb available anywhere - the ftp site appears t have source only (unless I'm missing it ) |
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| 01:43.09 | [jason] | but it doesn't seem to be what I'm looking for |
| 01:44.09 | [jason] | I would like a mips64 crosscompiler on my debian mips, is there a package for this or any automated way to build a xcompiler? |
| 01:44.14 | [jason] | like netbsd does |
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| 01:45.33 | [jason] | I don't seem to find any which is really surprising |
| 01:45.52 | [jason] | something like crosstool for instance |
| 01:45.58 | trave11er | [jason]: aren't all mips machines, even very old ones, 64 bits? |
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| 01:46.20 | [jason] | trave11er: I don't have the mips64 ABI which I need to compile this thingy |
| 01:46.45 | z]bandito | hi |
| 01:46.50 | [jason] | debian-mips ships with the mips32 ABI, which isn't bad, but I need the mips64 one |
| 01:47.04 | trave11er | [jason]: well, i don't know nothing about mips, try debian-mips mailing list? |
| 01:47.24 | [jason] | trave11er: yeah, I was hoping debian would have something like netbsd's xtools |
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| 01:47.27 | z]bandito | is there an easy way to get gnome or kde up on a debian install? i choose workstation, but i always end up with a text login |
| 01:47.29 | trave11er | [jason]: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mips/ |
| 01:47.32 | sparr | Package nvidia-kernel-source was not built successfully... |
| 01:47.35 | sparr | the build log shows no errors |
| 01:47.40 | sparr | what might cause that? |
| 01:47.42 | Guerin | z]bandito: apt-get install gdm |
| 01:48.16 | z]bandito | hmm ic |
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| 01:48.25 | SNow | hello, I have a problem here. How should i remove all incoming mails to user root? I tried to make a symlink /var/spool/mail/root to dev null but it overwrites it again, and I still get messages. |
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| 01:48.55 | michal_ | geeze.. I can't figure out how to get squirrelmail to work with name based hosting |
| 01:49.20 | [jason] | trave11er: perhaps you would know where I can find a mips64 toolchain? |
| 01:50.01 | SNow | does anyone can help me? |
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| 01:50.13 | sparr | well, ive managed to break my system even more so than it was when i started |
| 01:50.14 | trave11er | [jason]: my only experience with mips: bought a box by accident; no go with linux; sold on ebay |
| 01:50.14 | sparr | hooray! |
| 01:50.28 | [jason] | trave11er: hm, what kind of box? |
| 01:50.33 | trave11er | [jason]: that does not make me a mips expert, as you can tell ;-) |
| 01:50.52 | pipeline | [jason], trave11er : Man, what's with all of the MIPS questions lately? Install IRIX. Linux is a waste of your time. |
| 01:51.16 | trave11er | [jason]: it was sgi indigo power2 with an r8k cpu |
| 01:51.17 | [jason] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.18 | [jason] | oops |
| 01:51.27 | [jason] | trave11er: oh yeah, the r8k is tricky |
| 01:51.44 | MrVoid | so i'm trying to get my XF86Config-4 going, I have a nvidia card built into the motherboard, but when i put nvidia as the driver it doesn't work, do i have to install a module or something? |
| 01:52.09 | SNow | hello, I have a problem here. How should i remove all incoming mails to user root? I tried to make a symlink /var/spool/mail/root to dev null but it overwrites it again, and I still get messages. |
| 01:52.11 | pipeline | [jason]: It's not that R8k is tricky. It's that there are no device drivers and GCC on MIPS is godawful. |
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| 01:53.01 | trave11er | pipeline: yeah, and docs for r8k were also not available until recently |
| 01:53.14 | trave11er | which did not make situation any better |
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| 01:53.42 | pipeline | [jason]: http://kegel.com/crosstool/crosstool-0.35/doc/crosstool-howto.html |
| 01:53.54 | [jason] | pipeline: I have issues with this one |
| 01:54.06 | [jason] | pipeline: not sure what's up but it's still related to the 64 bits abi |
| 01:54.12 | [jason] | pipeline: I tried it before asking |
| 01:54.53 | pipeline | [jason]: I don't know what to tell you, then. By the way, SGI MIPS machines capable of running Linux use a subset of MIPS64 and probably don't use exactly the same MIPS64 ABI that MIPS, Inc. expects you to. |
| 01:55.00 | mormon | perdon por entrar aqui en ingles alguien me ayuda |
| 01:55.09 | pipeline | mormon: #debian-es |
| 01:55.15 | [jason] | pipeline: it's fine, I just want linux on my octane2 |
| 01:55.23 | mormon | como emtro |
| 01:55.27 | mormon | con que comando |
| 01:55.40 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:55.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:56.11 | pipeline | [jason]: Linux on an octane2? oh god, what a waste of still-useful hardware. No graphics support. Limited serial support. No option card support. No PCI support. Possibly no SCSI support. |
| 01:56.17 | sparr | how can i find out why module-assistant fails to build a module? |
| 01:56.23 | [jason] | pipeline: what are you talking about |
| 01:56.31 | [jason] | pipeline: scsi and gfx are perfectly supported |
| 01:56.37 | kollo14 | hey i got a folder kollo with some files in it, how to make kollo.tgz out of it? |
| 01:56.38 | pipeline | [jason]: Under Linux? WTF |
| 01:56.42 | [jason] | pipeline: of course |
| 01:56.52 | pipeline | [jason]: Since when? Where did you hear THAT? |
| 01:57.01 | [jason] | pipeline: http://skylark.cs.put.poznan.pl/ip30/ |
| 01:57.08 | [jason] | News: Odyssey support & new SCSI! |
| 01:57.28 | [jason] | pipeline: need to say more? |
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| 01:57.44 | SNow | I need only |
| 01:57.48 | SNow | root's users mails |
| 01:57.52 | SNow | to be redirected to somewhere |
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| 01:57.56 | SNow | that wouldn't see |
| 01:58.00 | SNow | or gone forever |
| 01:58.07 | pipeline | [jason]: hahaha no accelerated X, still no option card support. Have fun with that. When you're done, sell it to someone who will actually use the system. |
| 01:58.10 | trave11er | SNow: you need to set up an alias |
| 01:58.20 | [jason] | pipeline: I don't need X |
| 01:58.20 | SNow | yes? |
| 01:58.27 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:58.29 | abrotman | alias needed |
| 01:58.32 | sparr | whats a good alternative when the nvidia one-liner fails? |
| 01:58.34 | trave11er | SNow: man aliases |
| 01:58.43 | abrotman | sparr: get a supported card |
| 01:58.47 | [jason] | pipeline: and somebody just gave me this dual 400 v12 octane2 |
| 01:58.49 | paul_ | hello |
| 01:58.49 | kb9way | hey |
| 01:58.51 | SNow | and what then? |
| 01:58.54 | sparr | abrotman: funny man. |
| 01:58.54 | SNow | where should i forward it ? |
| 01:58.56 | [jason] | pipeline: and I don't fucking like irix |
| 01:58.59 | pipeline | [jason]: Oh my god. You're fucking kidding. |
| 01:59.01 | abrotman | sparr: i'm not joking |
| 01:59.03 | [jason] | pipeline: ? |
| 01:59.08 | pipeline | [jason]: You're going to use a 20k graphics workstation to run Linux without X? |
| 01:59.18 | [jason] | pipeline: perfectly |
| 01:59.18 | sparr | abrotman: its failing to build nvidia-kernel-source, it has nothing to do with my card (yet) |
| 01:59.18 | abrotman | can i have it to run irix ? |
| 01:59.19 | pipeline | [jason]: That's a top-of-the-line system. It's still worth several thousand dollars used. |
| 01:59.21 | kb9way | thats smart |
| 01:59.23 | trave11er | SNow: it will give you instructions on how to make 'root' email aliased to 'other_user' email |
| 01:59.25 | kb9way | not |
| 01:59.26 | [jason] | pipeline: bah, I don't care much |
| 01:59.44 | kb9way | any one want a shell acct |
| 01:59.52 | SNow | i aliased it to 'nobody' |
| 01:59.55 | pipeline | [jason]: The V12 boardset alone is worth a couple of thousand dollars on ebay. |
| 01:59.58 | abrotman | SNow: bad idea |
| 02:00.02 | [jason] | pipeline: I don't feel like selling this piece of crap anyway |
| 02:00.04 | pipeline | [jason]: Let alone with dual 400s, the top-spec |
| 02:00.05 | trave11er | SNow: it may contain important messages, you know |
| 02:00.08 | SNow | kb9way i do |
| 02:00.10 | [jason] | pipeline: they were just gave aways |
| 02:00.14 | sparr | abrotman: any tips on how to tell why the module wont build? |
| 02:00.17 | nabokov | kb9way: me too |
| 02:00.18 | SNow | yes, I know, but i don't need them though |
| 02:00.19 | kb9way | im me your info |
| 02:00.21 | pipeline | [jason]: Piece of crap? That thing is competitive with leading edge PCs |
| 02:00.25 | kb9way | 10gb shell acct |
| 02:00.28 | abrotman | sparr: i don't screw with nvidia garbage .. i have common sense :) |
| 02:00.36 | sparr | abrotman: what do you use? |
| 02:00.40 | pipeline | [jason]: It's the cutting edge for UNIX workstations. It's hardly a giveaway. Who the hell is giving them away? I want the man's name :P |
| 02:00.43 | [jason] | pipeline: bah, I could get you some free ones if you want. |
| 02:00.53 | pipeline | [jason]: You're kidding? I'd pay shipping or whatever. |
| 02:00.55 | abrotman | sparr: intel cards if i can .. the driver in XFree works fine with older i810ish boards |
| 02:00.56 | [jason] | pipeline: I think the guy still has one |
| 02:01.01 | [jason] | pipeline: where are you located? |
| 02:01.01 | abrotman | 830 too |
| 02:01.06 | abrotman | 9xx isn't afaik |
| 02:01.10 | pipeline | [jason]: 46250, Indianapolis, IN |
| 02:01.11 | trave11er | pipeline: octane2 are not cutting edge, that's for sure :-) |
| 02:01.12 | abrotman | but xorg does support that i think |
| 02:01.19 | [jason] | pipeline: oh, the dude, doesn't ship |
| 02:01.22 | pipeline | trave11er: They're still sold. They're still faster than a motherfuck. |
| 02:01.23 | [jason] | pipeline: you have to come pick it up |
| 02:01.25 | [jason] | pipeline: in WA |
| 02:01.27 | pipeline | [jason]: Where is he? |
| 02:01.29 | sparr | abrotman: heh, trying to install xorg is what caused all this |
| 02:01.31 | [jason] | pipeline: WA |
| 02:01.40 | pipeline | Well shit, that's pushing it even by my lax standards. |
| 02:01.40 | [jason] | pipeline: bbl |
| 02:01.48 | abrotman | [jason]: where in WA? .. i've got a freiend in seattle .. he'll ship it to me :) |
| 02:02.01 | SNow | I redirected it to nobody and: You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/root |
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| 02:02.13 | abrotman | did you run newaliases ? |
| 02:02.17 | abrotman | pipeline: boring city btw |
| 02:02.24 | abrotman | pipeline: i was there in april |
| 02:02.28 | sander_ | i've installed php4-gd apache2 and php4 and libgd2.. but cant get libgd to work.. but "getGDversion();" returns 0 |
| 02:02.39 | SNow | abyeah i did newaliases |
| 02:02.39 | sparr | abrotman: funny thing is, it never failed before. it was even working after XFree broke, but now its broken too |
| 02:02.43 | SNow | then i edited the aliases file |
| 02:02.47 | sparr | im working my way up the chain of breaking things |
| 02:02.53 | sander_ | I cant get libgd to work with php |
| 02:02.55 | SNow | or should I do it after ? |
| 02:02.57 | sparr | once i cant boot, which is about an hour away at this rate, then its reinstall time |
| 02:03.13 | SNow | newaliases |
| 02:03.13 | sander_ | anyone know how I should configure it the right way? |
| 02:03.14 | SNow | You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/root |
| 02:03.21 | SNow | why this happened ? |
| 02:03.29 | trave11er | SNow: you need first to edit the file then run newaliases |
| 02:03.31 | abrotman | and you restarted your mail server ? |
| 02:03.51 | SNow | I haven't done restart |
| 02:03.55 | SNow | Should I ? |
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| 02:04.26 | trave11er | SNow: run newaliases once again |
| 02:04.34 | SNow | ok |
| 02:04.42 | trave11er | and if that does not help, restart |
| 02:05.24 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:05.25 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
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| 02:07.34 | SNow | root: nobody |
| 02:07.41 | SNow | I made newaliases |
| 02:07.44 | SNow | and it is still |
| 02:07.46 | SNow | getting the messages |
| 02:07.49 | abrotman | SNow: you should read those emails .. or fix the problems |
| 02:08.11 | SNow | there are no problems there |
| 02:08.16 | SNow | I just keep getting |
| 02:08.19 | abrotman | then what are the emails ? |
| 02:08.22 | SNow | retunred mail messages |
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| 02:09.09 | trave11er | heh, nobody can't receive mail probably |
| 02:09.27 | abrotman | sure it can .. it's supposed to go to the bitbucket |
| 02:09.33 | trave11er | mmkay |
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| 02:09.51 | pearl | good night |
| 02:09.53 | SNow | what now? |
| 02:09.55 | SNow | ;] |
| 02:10.02 | pearl | i go to sleep? :P |
| 02:10.06 | trave11er | SNow: did you restart the server? |
| 02:10.18 | pearl | here is it 4:10 am |
| 02:10.23 | pearl | and i havent sleep |
| 02:10.24 | SNow | ghmmz |
| 02:10.24 | abrotman | did you use the correct newaliases command .. and change hte right file ? |
| 02:10.26 | pearl | so good night |
| 02:10.29 | petemc | SNow: you dont wonder why root is getting these messages? |
| 02:10.30 | SNow | i am thinking, i have outgoing messages now |
| 02:10.35 | SNow | If i will restart it now |
| 02:10.41 | SNow | will it resend |
| 02:10.42 | SNow | it later? |
| 02:10.49 | SNow | or i will need to do that later ? |
| 02:11.04 | SNow | I am a little bit afraid because of that |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | SNow: just restart the damn thing |
| 02:11.30 | abrotman | it's not your mail is it .. who cares .. BOFH! |
| 02:11.57 | SNow | mmmkay :) |
| 02:12.01 | trave11er | SNow: now you will at least have someone to blame if something goes wrong ;-) |
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| 02:12.27 | abrotman | !blame me |
| 02:12.29 | UrbanFox | how do I make debian start on boot? |
| 02:13.01 | UrbanFox | ... sshd* start on boot |
| 02:13.03 | UrbanFox | late night |
| 02:13.06 | UrbanFox | sorry boys (and gals) |
| 02:13.12 | trave11er | UrbanFox: phew |
| 02:13.14 | trave11er | :-) |
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| 02:13.29 | SNow | anyways thanks guys |
| 02:13.34 | trave11er | UrbanFox: there is /etc/sshd_not_to_be_run file, or something |
| 02:13.38 | sander_ | oh.. I just forgot to restart apache.. to get gd libs loaded:p |
| 02:13.57 | UrbanFox | trave11er> nope :( |
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| 02:14.11 | trave11er | UrbanFox: /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run |
| 02:14.13 | abrotman | UrbanFox: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 02:14.14 | trave11er | ? |
| 02:14.30 | trave11er | UrbanFox: listen to abrotman |
| 02:14.40 | UrbanFox | thanks |
| 02:14.54 | abrotman | yeah .. i'm no fucktard |
| 02:15.03 | UrbanFox | is that generally what one does with services? |
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| 02:15.19 | trave11er | abrotman: you have your bad patches =) |
| 02:15.19 | UrbanFox | on Gentoo* |
| 02:15.21 | abrotman | UrbanFox: depends on the service |
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| 02:15.38 | abrotman | UrbanFox: update-rc.d and rcconf on debian for some of them |
| 02:15.49 | calyth | is there actually a difference between running a transparent HTTP proxy cache and a cache proxy that doesn't allow HTTP traffic through if someone didn't use the cache? |
| 02:16.12 | nabokov | UrbanFox: update-rc.d <service> defaults can be used also |
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| 02:16.39 | abrotman | calyth: english please! :) |
| 02:16.46 | petemc | calyth: huh? the one that blocks http doesnt work, the other one does |
| 02:16.48 | dabreegster | Hey, I have an ATI Rage 128 video card with an s-video input port. I can't seem to find a program to capture the input into a file, only ways to do TV capturing. Any clues? |
| 02:17.04 | UrbanFox | mencoder/mplayer |
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| 02:17.16 | UrbanFox | I think |
| 02:17.23 | christor | ls |
| 02:17.25 | christor | arf |
| 02:17.28 | christor | sorry |
| 02:17.33 | abrotman | dabreegster: you might want to ask #ati |
| 02:17.44 | dabreegster | abrotman: OK |
| 02:17.52 | abrotman | OK |
| 02:17.52 | dabreegster | UrbanFox: I'll check it out |
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| 02:18.03 | calyth | petemc: I meant say I have client is setup to use say, squid, so it would connect to the squid server at a certain port, versus using the linux kernel to forward all outgoing port 80 into a proxy |
| 02:18.28 | abrotman | dabreegster: wahat kind of input ? |
| 02:18.35 | calyth | but I think in the case of a normal proxy, I won't allow direct connection right through |
| 02:19.04 | xydarcher | how to add locales? it is reported that "Shutting down resin: perl: warning: Setting locale failed." |
| 02:19.17 | petemc | calyth: a transparent proxy redirects port 80 to 3128, usually, what else is there to it? |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | packets! |
| 02:19.37 | abrotman | pipeline: you still have a boring city :) |
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| 02:20.14 | abrotman | i nedz xorgs .. whar they ? |
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| 02:20.49 | trave11er | xydarcher: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 02:21.48 | calyth | petemc: well I'm just reading O'reilly's Web Caching, and it seems that transparent proxy may require me to use no-caching lists and may break certain browsers (guess who made it) |
| 02:22.26 | xydarcher | trave11er thx |
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| 02:22.33 | calyth | petemc: but I also want to throttle user's throughput, and I know squid can do it, so I'm kinda stuck between interoperability and bandwidth enforcement |
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| 02:25.10 | petemc | calyth: im not sure what your question is, but yes, i do notice some issues with ie, in particular authenticating with iis.. |
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| 02:25.16 | abrotman | !shoot the damn dog |
| 02:26.00 | petemc | calyth: other tools exist to throttle users, i dont use them tho, i just monitor it with ipac-ng |
| 02:26.59 | abrotman | i'd rather not know my boss is surfing porn |
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| 02:27.29 | calyth | petemc: I'm just trying to find out what may break if I use a dual-home host that blocks direct connection of port 80 between the two interfaces, and require internal users to go through the proxy. There shouldn't be anything else that would break if I use this classic proxy setup, right? |
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| 02:27.33 | `bsdaniel | slackware |
| 02:27.47 | calyth | petemc: cause I know I might break something using a transparent proxy |
| 02:27.54 | sander_ | anyone got a website with screenshots of good desktop themes? |
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| 02:28.48 | petemc | calyth: the only difference would appear to be that if you set it in ie's settings, it handles some situations more intelligently |
| 02:28.49 | abrotman | sander_: kde-look.org .. and art.gnome.org .. i think those are the ones |
| 02:29.11 | calyth | petemc: ok. |
| 02:29.41 | abrotman | sander_: and themes.org .. the original! |
| 02:29.59 | petemc | calyth: so it would appear prudent just to get everyone to set it in the browser, did you not want some people to know they were going through a proxy? |
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| 02:30.54 | calyth | petemc: I won't mind if I don't know, but I don't care for it. I want to force all of them to use it, and not break IE (which is what the end user likely to use) |
| 02:31.05 | tvn | anyone d/l Openoffice beta ? is it only in RPM format ? |
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| 02:31.47 | calyth | petemc: I meant I don't mind if they didn't know about the proxy |
| 02:32.42 | ethics | hmm whats the equivalent to IDE-cd for scsi/sata? |
| 02:32.48 | ethics | module name wise |
| 02:32.54 | rob_lt | tvn, I think there is a howto on the ubuntu forums which should work for sarge. I haven't tried it on this machine (sarge) but I dont see why it wouldnt work |
| 02:33.03 | abrotman | ethics: just scsi stuff ... |
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| 02:33.16 | abrotman | god damn sox |
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| 02:33.50 | tvn | rob_lt: hope it's not using alien to convert from rpm is it |
| 02:33.51 | mdh | tvn: its packaged in unstable |
| 02:33.54 | ethics | abrotman: yeah i figured that my sata seems to be finding my ide cdroms as ata-lib driven which is great except ide-cd doesnt make the /dev/devnames |
| 02:34.04 | z]bandito | is there a way to enable or disable specific pointing devices? for example, this older laptop has an eraser style finger stick on the keyboard, which the tracking is inaccurate and drags the cursor around slowly at first, then it completely overrides the USB mouse input |
| 02:34.14 | ethics | abrotman, was looking for a specific thing im missing |
| 02:34.40 | abrotman | ethics: what kernel ? |
| 02:34.40 | calyth | z]bandito: My laptop works perfectly fine with both the PS/2 eraser and a plugged in USB mouse |
| 02:34.44 | ethics | z]bandito, well if you dont set it up for x.. |
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| 02:35.06 | ethics | abrotman, any but this is 2.6.8 2.6.11/12 all do it |
| 02:35.11 | z]bandito | lol ethics |
| 02:35.23 | abrotman | ethics: you don't use ide-scsi for sata/scsi CD drives |
| 02:35.25 | abrotman | or for 2.6 |
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| 02:35.34 | z]bandito | calyth it usually works ok, but the sensors for the stick are malfunctioning |
| 02:35.40 | deadcat | i have snd_usb_audio loaded but how do i know what device its at? like my emu10k1 is /dev/dsp0 |
| 02:35.43 | z]bandito | it's a hardware problem |
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| 02:35.52 | ethics | abrotman, im not using anything for it atm...thats the problem... |
| 02:36.04 | `bsdaniel | slackware |
| 02:36.04 | z]bandito | hmm , maybe in the bios |
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| 02:36.16 | ethics | abrotman, hdd have devices made cdroms dont 8( |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | ethics: yes theydo |
| 02:36.36 | dfx | can I get some assitance enabling DMA for my main hard drive ... I'm getting "Operation not permitted" when trying to enable dma using hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
| 02:36.41 | calyth | z]bandito: you can disable the ps/2 mouse at the bios, or simply don't configure for the ps/2 mouse in the X config |
| 02:36.52 | Neffertiti | I can't get a goshdarned cd to burn in my PLextor DVD-Burner. I've tried cdrecord, and cdrecord-prodvd. I am running 2.6.8 kernel testing . Anyone else found out the magic sequence to burn cds on dvd burner? ( I have successfully burned a few DVD with groisofs nad the like) |
| 02:37.05 | ethics | abrotman, can i paste in flood for you? |
| 02:37.06 | z]bandito | i'm not sure if it's condsidered ps2 |
| 02:37.11 | abrotman | ethics: i'm not in there |
| 02:37.15 | z]bandito | i'm restarting to look at the bios though.. thank you :) |
| 02:37.23 | abrotman | ethics: i am now |
| 02:37.26 | calyth | z]bandito: you should be able to find out through dmesg |
| 02:37.33 | ethics | abrotman, ahh i think i see what you mean.... |
| 02:37.52 | z]bandito | i see.. then could i just delete it from /dev ? ;) |
| 02:38.04 | ethics | scsi-generic gets named sg not hdx or sdx |
| 02:38.29 | calyth | z]bandito: that won't work cause if it use something like udev it's going to get remade. You're only concerned with X, right? |
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| 02:38.37 | abrotman | ethics: don't use ide-scsi in 2.6 .. it's more of a pain than you want |
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| 02:38.51 | z]bandito | yes, only concerned with X :) |
| 02:39.01 | ethics | abrotman, i dont seem to have a choice... |
| 02:39.10 | abrotman | yes you do |
| 02:39.12 | simy | yay ive got my wifi working!!! got a dlink card awhen i took back linksys |
| 02:39.14 | abrotman | FFS .. do it right |
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| 02:39.21 | abrotman | simy: with which driver ? |
| 02:39.23 | calyth | z]bandito: if it is PS/2, don't use /dev/psaux for mouse. Disabling at BIOS may almost work |
| 02:39.36 | simy | ndiswrapper |
| 02:39.40 | abrotman | ew :) |
| 02:39.44 | abrotman | but .. working is working i guess |
| 02:39.46 | ookii | what is the program to use to resize a partition without destroying the data on the partition? |
| 02:39.53 | simy | yup, thats what i figured... |
| 02:39.56 | calyth | z]bandito: if it doesn't look like it's using /dev/psaux, then check whether that device is soft-linked to /dev/psaux |
| 02:40.10 | simy | i could find a *g card there that had a linux driver. or drivers available.... |
| 02:40.10 | z]bandito | hmm |
| 02:40.11 | abrotman | in bios makes most sense |
| 02:40.16 | abrotman | or take the eraser off the top |
| 02:40.20 | simy | and all the sales ppl at circuit city werent that helpfull |
| 02:40.21 | ethics | abrotman, ok i found the devices... so it is picking them up as sg0/sg1, is that what you mean by the ide-scsi ? |
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| 02:40.32 | z]bandito | the eraser is already off... =( |
| 02:40.36 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:40.41 | calyth | z]bandito: well good luck at it |
| 02:41.00 | simy | took me awhile to figure it out tho, but now i can retreat to my bedroom plug my laptop in and stay away from all the *holes that i live with:) so im happy |
| 02:41.10 | abrotman | ethics: i don't think you even need that |
| 02:41.18 | simy | im just a battery shy of running around :) |
| 02:41.34 | abrotman | or you could move :) |
| 02:41.50 | simy | lol |
| 02:41.55 | simy | cant afford to or i would.... |
| 02:41.56 | simy | lol |
| 02:41.59 | fortran01 | What does DOE mean in a pay rate: Pay Rate:Â Up to $55/hr, DOE? Thanks! |
| 02:42.08 | abrotman | ethics: do you actually have SCSI in your machine ? |
| 02:42.11 | abrotman | !doe |
| 02:42.22 | abrotman | fortran01: acronym-finder.com |
| 02:42.25 | Neffertiti | !lol |
| 02:42.25 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 02:42.40 | abrotman | fortran01: err .. no - |
| 02:43.01 | abrotman | fortran01: acronymfinder.com |
| 02:43.02 | simy | hey dont pick on me:( |
| 02:43.16 | Neffertiti | I love that one - check teh link |
| 02:44.05 | dfx | can someone give me some tips on getting DMA enabled on my /dev/hda drive? |
| 02:44.13 | ethics | abrotman, nope... |
| 02:44.20 | Neffertiti | abrotman: I can't seem to get a dvd burner to burn a cd- I'm not using ide-scsi (2.6.8 kernel) as faras I know and I've tried cdrecord vanilla and pro-dvd version. Any tips on what to check (always fails at Performaing OPC... |
| 02:44.47 | abrotman | Neffertiti: i've never touched a dvd burner ... |
| 02:44.55 | Neffertiti | dfx - I used the hdparm -d1 /dev/hda you listed and it seemed to wrok (are you root - sorry just checking) |
| 02:44.56 | abrotman | ethics: have you tried to burn anything ? |
| 02:45.02 | fortran01 | thanks abrotman |
| 02:45.04 | dfx | Neffertiti: yeah, I'm root |
| 02:45.16 | ethics | abrotman, i havent even managed to mount yet |
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| 02:45.32 | abrotman | ethics: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 02:45.34 | simy | whats that command to see what ethernet devices are mounted? |
| 02:45.44 | dfx | simy: mii-tool |
| 02:45.49 | Neffertiti | simy ifconfig ? |
| 02:46.00 | simy | yeah thats what i was thinking only in mycase iwconfig:) |
| 02:46.08 | simy | nope... |
| 02:46.17 | simy | eh ill google somthing i guess |
| 02:46.31 | simy | its somthing similar to lspci |
| 02:46.38 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
| 02:46.43 | abrotman | etherconf ? |
| 02:46.47 | ethics | abrotman, no such file........sg0 sg1 is what they are atm i think |
| 02:46.48 | abrotman | dmesg ? |
| 02:47.00 | abrotman | ethics: any /dev/sr* ? |
| 02:47.10 | timt | simy: lspci ? |
| 02:47.22 | ethics | abrotman, none |
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| 02:47.38 | simy | hmmm ill just google it but thanks for the help guys.... |
| 02:47.40 | abrotman | ethics: dmesg | grep hd |
| 02:47.43 | simy | i forget thiongs like this |
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| 02:47.49 | abrotman | hdc: UJDA740 DVD/CDRW, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 02:47.56 | simy | and i aparently havnt used it anytime recently because i cant find it pushing the up arrow |
| 02:48.08 | dfx | simy: you can always try history |
| 02:48.10 | liable | simy: what do you mean by mounted? if you want ones that have drivers, lsmod. |
| 02:48.25 | simy | er... |
| 02:48.28 | abrotman | !tell simy about refcard |
| 02:48.35 | simy | it will say eth0 and the ip etc.... |
| 02:48.40 | ethics | abrotman, 3 hard disks 2 sata 1 usb..... |
| 02:48.41 | abrotman | that's ifconfig -a |
| 02:48.46 | abrotman | which one is your burner ? |
| 02:48.49 | simy | cool thanks |
| 02:48.59 | abrotman | at least my wifi is in there |
| 02:49.04 | ethics | abrotman, sg0 sg1 atm.... |
| 02:49.07 | abrotman | but i don't use ndiswrapper |
| 02:49.11 | simy | lol |
| 02:49.17 | abrotman | ethics: so try mounting one |
| 02:49.23 | simy | stop picking on me, lol i have to goto work in ehh, 6 hours:( |
| 02:49.32 | abrotman | fucking god damn redsox |
| 02:49.38 | simy | and i havnt slept sence the last time i was at work, i was busy getting my wifi working! |
| 02:49.41 | abrotman | actually .. let me narrow it down |
| 02:49.44 | simy | feel sympathy damnit |
| 02:49.46 | abrotman | !lart keith foulke |
| 02:49.50 | timt | i thought people come on here when they at work |
| 02:50.04 | abrotman | timt: some yes .. some no |
| 02:50.09 | abrotman | some people can't get here from work |
| 02:50.26 | z]bandito | how can i tell if a device is soft linked |
| 02:50.27 | z]bandito | ? |
| 02:50.30 | abrotman | ls -l |
| 02:50.33 | ethics | abrotman, all of them say non block device... |
| 02:50.40 | abrotman | did you put a CD in ? |
| 02:51.00 | abrotman | i still vote you stop using the ide-scsi crap |
| 02:51.07 | ethics | abrotman, yeah i just swapped one to the other drive to recheck if one works one isnt etc |
| 02:51.32 | simy | does anybody know if the cheapest way to get my xbox on wifi? |
| 02:51.42 | abrotman | wait for xbox2 ? |
| 02:51.47 | ethics | abrotman, im happy to stop using it if you tell me how to....i didnt manually ask it to it just happened like this |
| 02:51.54 | simy | xbox2 isnt out |
| 02:52.11 | simy | for xbox1 |
| 02:52.22 | ethics | simy, by a usb wifi linux supported card and run linux on it...its not an xbox anymore tho |
| 02:52.36 | simy | ethics, im going to do that when i get xbox 2 |
| 02:52.51 | abrotman | ethics: is it listed in /etc/modules ? |
| 02:52.56 | ethics | simy: ill wait till they break it first 8( |
| 02:53.00 | simy | wait, does xbox have usb ports?? and ifso can i use a *b wifi? |
| 02:53.15 | simy | yeah microcrap has a tendency of making broken products |
| 02:53.22 | timt | no |
| 02:53.40 | ethics | abrotman, only one i dont know in there is sd_mod.... |
| 02:53.45 | abrotman | tendency ? |
| 02:53.53 | abrotman | ethics: apt-get install discover .. |
| 02:53.54 | simy | i cant spell |
| 02:53.56 | abrotman | then remove that line |
| 02:53.56 | simy | they tend to break |
| 02:54.30 | ethics | abrotman, is newest version installed |
| 02:54.44 | abrotman | ethics: just making sure |
| 02:54.50 | simy | i wish i had the budged they did on pimp my ride |
| 02:54.51 | simy | lol |
| 02:54.52 | abrotman | ethics: any options on your boot lines ? |
| 02:54.55 | simy | then my car wouldnt be so sad.... |
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| 02:55.42 | ethics | abrotman, nah just normal 2.6.8 deb image ones.... |
| 02:56.03 | EBAL_VAS_VSEH | FE GBLFHFCS |
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| 02:56.38 | ethics | abrotman, ill just recompile kernel without ide-scsi at all maybee? |
| 02:56.45 | EBAL_VAS_VSEH | íó êàê ïèäàðêè äåëèøêè |
| 02:57.13 | EBAL_VAS_VSEH | àó ïèäàðàñû |
| 02:57.14 | abrotman | ethics: no |
| 02:57.18 | abrotman | !ops EBAL_VAS_VSEH |
| 02:57.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: EBAL_VAS_VSEH |
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| 02:57.47 | abrotman | helix: thank you |
| 02:57.56 | helix | np |
| 02:58.01 | mdh | thanks helix. that clown comes in here rather frequently |
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| 02:58.15 | helix | he's probably been drinking vodka |
| 02:58.18 | abrotman | i just wonder if that's what his keyboard puts in here |
| 02:58.24 | abrotman | but i can't imagine so |
| 02:58.26 | mdh | apparently the nick is russian for "fuck you all" |
| 02:58.34 | abrotman | oh really ? |
| 02:58.40 | gravity | Cute |
| 02:58.41 | abrotman | mdh: you lie? |
| 02:59.05 | mdh | abrotman: no, last time I was on here and they came on, someone else on the channel could read it |
| 02:59.08 | trave11er | abrotman: that's true |
| 02:59.22 | ethics | abrotman, if i can get piix to load before ata-piix it works but i dont know how to force it. both modules are inbuilt in kernel now. is there a module loading order used by kerneld? |
| 02:59.25 | gravity | abrotman: I so can't pitch for anything |
| 02:59.26 | abrotman | i certainly can't read it .. my grandfather would be disappointed |
| 02:59.32 | abrotman | gravity: neither can he .. |
| 02:59.36 | gravity | heh |
| 02:59.44 | abrotman | gravity: he just blew a 4 run lead |
| 03:00.09 | abrotman | ethics: there can be |
| 03:01.07 | jetx | why teh f is cdrecord looking for /dev/Pg* ...... cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver |
| 03:01.21 | jetx | shouldn't it be sg ? |
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| 03:01.33 | abrotman | rott13 ? |
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| 03:01.48 | abrotman | whatever it is |
| 03:01.52 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:01.52 | ovr | hello |
| 03:01.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:02.03 | gravity | abrotman: ouch' |
| 03:02.07 | ovr | how much iso cds do i have to download to install DEBIAN..? |
| 03:02.10 | abrotman | gravity: yeah .. pretty much |
| 03:02.12 | jetx | 1 |
| 03:02.21 | ovr | ? |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | ovr: a single 100ish MB image if you have broadband |
| 03:02.27 | jetx | a net install or 1 full cd |
| 03:02.30 | ovr | serious |
| 03:02.33 | abrotman | yes .. we are |
| 03:02.39 | jetx | the net one is like 110 mb |
| 03:02.39 | ovr | but i went to the ftp site and i saw all these files |
| 03:02.41 | abrotman | you can actually do it with 2 floppies :) |
| 03:02.43 | ovr | i was a little lost |
| 03:02.46 | abrotman | !d-i ovr |
| 03:02.48 | dpkg | ovr, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:03.14 | abrotman | ovr: it says .. 100MB netinst or something .. get for your CPU type(i assume i386) |
| 03:03.16 | jetx | yeah but the floppies only let you install with a 2.4 |
| 03:03.21 | magyar | will debian be using xorg? |
| 03:03.25 | abrotman | jetx: oh .. boohoo |
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| 03:03.31 | abrotman | magyar: eventually |
| 03:03.54 | ovr | what is the latest version of debian and what kernel does it use..? |
| 03:03.58 | abrotman | magyar: i heard the guy doing the xorg packages is slow and sloth-like |
| 03:04.02 | jetx | latest stable? |
| 03:04.09 | abrotman | ovr: the last release was sarge 3.1r0 |
| 03:04.15 | abrotman | !releases |
| 03:04.16 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
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| 03:04.18 | jetx | the installer gives you a 2.6.8 if you ask it nicely |
| 03:04.20 | abrotman | bah .. wrong one |
| 03:04.39 | jetx | !find kernel-image-2.6 sarge |
| 03:04.41 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-image-2.6' (11 of 20): kernel-image-2.6-386 ;; kernel-image-2.6-686 ;; kernel-image-2.6-686-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6-amd64-generic ;; kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 ;; kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4 ;; kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6-k7 ;; kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-generic. |
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| 03:04.52 | ovr | k |
| 03:04.53 | jetx | mmm |
| 03:04.55 | jetx | there's more |
| 03:05.02 | magyar | abrotman: am reading some article on ./ about new acceleration engine simular to apple's X |
| 03:05.13 | abrotman | magyar: yep .. saw it .. and ? |
| 03:05.15 | `bsdaniel | slackware |
| 03:05.36 | abrotman | magyar: i think there's also something similar for gnome/xorg/cairo etc .. but i'm no expert |
| 03:05.54 | abrotman | `bsdaniel: are you going to keep saying that ? |
| 03:05.56 | ovr | thanx |
| 03:05.56 | magyar | abrotman: dunno, just needed some feedback fron debian, sience we all using XFree |
| 03:05.59 | ovr | thanx |
| 03:06.28 | gravity | X.Org is on its way |
| 03:06.39 | ethics | 2.6.8 is highest in sarge.2.6.11 is in etch and unstable......2.6.12 works np if you change a few things .. |
| 03:06.41 | abrotman | should i get ops for the slackware advertiser ? |
| 03:06.47 | magyar | abrotman: don't like gnome, it feels kind of raw |
| 03:06.49 | abrotman | gravity: sloth! |
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| 03:06.58 | abrotman | magyar: don't like KDE .. molasses |
| 03:06.59 | gravity | abrotman: Feel free to help with the patch audit :-) |
| 03:07.10 | behrouz | hi, i'm using bash to run a program, but the bash command can only be run from only ONE directory, what can i do so that i could use the bash command from anywhere? |
| 03:07.14 | abrotman | gravity: if i still could do a decent amount of C/C++ .. i would help you |
| 03:07.36 | abrotman | gravity: i haven't really done any in .. like .. 5-6 years |
| 03:07.40 | gravity | Meh, most of this is pretty easy |
| 03:07.44 | jetx | supply the path? |
| 03:07.47 | ethics | behrouz, alias it in bashrc or a script in paths |
| 03:07.48 | abrotman | except my fun data structures stuff! |
| 03:07.53 | gravity | Figure out why a patch is missing, or if it is present then figure out if it's changed at all |
| 03:08.11 | gravity | If a patch is missing and needs to be there, then you'd have to port it, but it's already written |
| 03:08.12 | behrouz | ethics: how can i do that thx |
| 03:08.15 | jetx | ethics: 2.6.12 worked normally here |
| 03:08.54 | ethics | jetx: udev users need 0.58, some other things nothing hard |
| 03:09.11 | jetx | ah i don't use udev |
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| 03:09.22 | magyar | abrotman: altough KDE has it's own problems, occasionaly needs a "CTRL-ALT-Backspace" |
| 03:09.36 | abrotman | magyar: or a --purge |
| 03:09.48 | jetx | i've been liking kde lately |
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| 03:09.52 | jetx | didn't before |
| 03:09.54 | jim | does debian-installer need udev? |
| 03:10.00 | abrotman | nope |
| 03:10.03 | ethics | behrouz man alias may be the best way and edit /home/me/.bashrc |
| 03:10.05 | abrotman | well .. sarge's didn't |
| 03:10.05 | jetx | gnome can pull in udev |
| 03:10.07 | magyar | abrotman: nuhh |
| 03:10.15 | jetx | but the sarge installer didn't give me udev |
| 03:10.21 | magyar | abrotman: i can live with it |
| 03:10.23 | andre | good nigth... |
| 03:10.44 | jetx | i installed sid with it though |
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| 03:11.54 | abrotman | jetx: you gonna be here for a while ? |
| 03:12.33 | abrotman | maybe he just passed out |
| 03:16.40 | ethics | so is there a way to manipulate what order modules load other than /etc/modules |
| 03:16.59 | `bsdaniel | slackware abrotman, SLACKWARE. |
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| 03:17.22 | behrouz | ethics: man alias doesn't exist |
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| 03:18.11 | ethics | behrouz: must be part of bash |
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| 03:18.59 | behrouz | ethics: it says no manual for alias... |
| 03:19.35 | behrouz | ethics: what should i configure so that my bash file will run from any directory? |
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| 03:21.08 | Neffertiti | How is anyone here with a DVD burner burning cds under 2.6.8? I cant get cdrecord or cdrecord-prodvd to like non ide-scsi drive... I get OPC failed everytime! |
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| 03:23.29 | ethics | Neffertiti, it works try using the other device hames like HW;0,0,1 or whatever it looked like |
| 03:24.23 | Neffertiti | ethics: I'm trying cdrecord-prodvd free version nowand it recognizes dev=ATA:. SO Im usign dev=ATA:1,0,0 |
| 03:25.09 | ookii | i'm looking for the linux equivalent of dvd decrypter, what exists in linux that serves the same purpose (ripping dvds into isos basically) |
| 03:25.19 | trave11er | try dev=/dev/hdc or whatever the device is |
| 03:25.44 | trave11er | Neffertiti: try dev=/dev/hdc or whatever the device is |
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| 03:26.31 | recurs|ve | i wanted to make a user/group for musicpd. So i did the following, I just want to make sure this is correct... |
| 03:26.35 | recurs|ve | added "mpd:*:2100:2100::0:0:Music Player Daemon:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin" in /etc/master.passwd |
| 03:26.39 | recurs|ve | added "mpd:*:2100:" in /etc/group |
| 03:26.56 | recurs|ve | is this all i need to do??? |
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| 03:27.35 | behrouz | anyone knows how i can run the bash file from anywhere |
| 03:27.37 | Neffertiti | Everything looks fantastic up until it starts to write and outputs Performing OPC, then a bunch of output and OPC failed... |
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| 03:28.06 | Neffertiti | Pasted output in #flood |
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| 03:28.36 | djungal | ok i am downloading the minimal cd image of debian |
| 03:28.45 | djungal | i have never tried debian before |
| 03:29.06 | djungal | but i find it rather popular on the internet so i have decided to give it a try |
| 03:29.19 | djungal | can anyone here compare it to fedora..? |
| 03:30.04 | djungal | can anyone here compare debian to fedora..? |
| 03:30.06 | stew | djungal: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 03:30.13 | djungal | how does it stand up..? |
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| 03:30.48 | Neffertiti | Sorry guess text was too long, really want to figure out hwo to burn CD's with DVD burner... |
| 03:31.21 | mdh | djungal: in a nutshell, Redhat couldn't produce a useful Linux distribution if they had all the money and talent in the world. |
| 03:31.23 | liable | hmm, vi has my keyboard messed up in console, but works in x, and in console outside of vi is ok too.. |
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| 03:31.50 | Neffertiti | ./cdrecord-wrapper.sh dev=/dev/hdc -v -eject -pad driveropts=burnfree speed=4 -audio -swab /opt/vault/gcombust_*.wav |
| 03:31.53 | djungal | hmmm... |
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| 03:32.12 | djungal | note i am not trying to bad mouth debian.. it's just that i wanna know what to expect |
| 03:32.18 | Neffertiti | That is my cmd line to burn to Plextor DVD burner (716A) anyoen see anything obviously out of wack? |
| 03:32.19 | behrouz | help, i need to run a bash command from anywhere (right now i can only run it from the directory where my bash file is located), how do i do this? thanks |
| 03:32.22 | mdh | djungal: there is no comparison between Debian and Fedora. That's like comparing a Lamborghini Contauch with a rusty billy cart |
| 03:32.26 | djungal | last distro i used was RH 9 |
| 03:32.35 | djungal | :| |
| 03:32.37 | djungal | wow |
| 03:32.38 | anoobis-_- | can someone give me the nvidia driver thing plz ^^; |
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| 03:32.54 | djungal | nah i think u guys r being biased... |
| 03:33.00 | mdh | djungal: I have the unfortunate experience of having to co-admin a RHEL9 box right now. It irritates me almost as much as M$ Windows. |
| 03:33.02 | nvz | behrouz: you would either add the location of your script to the PATH variable, or you would move the script to a location already in the PATH variable. |
| 03:33.03 | stew | anoobis-_-: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 03:33.20 | anoobis-_- | thanks stew |
| 03:33.45 | stew | djungal: you are in the wrong place if you expect an unbiased answer |
| 03:34.11 | djungal | yaw true... |
| 03:34.18 | anoobis-_- | btw for installing enlgihtenment is it: apt-get install englightenment? :o |
| 03:34.18 | djungal | well i will try it out |
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| 03:34.31 | djungal | i plan on installing the iceWM windows manager |
| 03:34.34 | djungal | is it any good.? |
| 03:34.41 | djungal | i find gnome and kde are slow |
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| 03:35.12 | mdh | djungal: standard stuff I need (postfix, mailman, apache, ...) that in Debian are an 'apt-get install' away and packaged sanely simply do not exist on this box, they're all manually installed in /usr/local/bin and hence its a nightmare to piece everything together. In Debian Things Just Work (tm) |
| 03:35.12 | nvz | anoobis-_-: not once have you spelled that correctly so far |
| 03:35.20 | nvz | !info enlightenment |
| 03:35.24 | dpkg | enlightenment: (The Enlightenment Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.16.7.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 407 kB, Installed size: 940 kB |
| 03:35.33 | anoobis-_- | nvz, I cant spell sue me ;p |
| 03:35.35 | ethics | djungal, xfce4 fluxbox and icewm seem to be popular smaller wms |
| 03:36.00 | nvz | anoobis-_-: you shouldnt be using a wm with that many letters then. use something like ion, that you might stand a chance at spelling |
| 03:36.25 | anoobis-_- | thanks for the info nvz... -_- |
| 03:36.30 | Neffertiti | For slower machines I love Wmaker |
| 03:36.48 | djungal | thanx folks |
| 03:36.54 | mdh | I've packaged pekwm but nobody seems interested in helping me get it into Debian |
| 03:36.57 | djungal | i'll be in there still but in my bed sleeping |
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| 03:37.07 | djungal | while this debian cd image downloads |
| 03:37.13 | zeeble | mdh: where's a source for pekwm? |
| 03:37.33 | mdh | zeeble: upstream is http://www.pekwm.org/ |
| 03:37.44 | nvz | mdh: sounds to me like you need to get into the debian mentors program and become a maintainer :P |
| 03:37.53 | zeeble | mdh: hm, ok. never heard of it. will check. |
| 03:38.12 | matchsticker | Hi, is it possible to upgrade kernel simply by `apt-get install kernel-image-...' or even customize some parts? |
| 03:38.13 | mdh | its trivially packaged with cdbs |
| 03:38.35 | concept10 | Browser suggestion for lowend machine anyone? |
| 03:38.41 | ethics | matchsticker, yes.....no recompile for some parts only |
| 03:38.54 | djungal | does debian have an ftp site i can download the minimal install from...? |
| 03:39.02 | mdh | nvz: I need a more stable job before I do that. |
| 03:39.12 | nvz | mdh: why is that? |
| 03:39.29 | mdh | nvz: its hard to upload when you don't have an internet connection ;) |
| 03:39.30 | zeeble | djace: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 03:39.31 | chealer | djungal: what do you mean by minimal install? |
| 03:39.35 | michal_ | "Assume, for this example, that you have created an account called vmail that has a UID of 404, and a group called vmail that has a GID of 400. You want all of the virtual mailbox files to be owned by this user and group." |
| 03:39.36 | nvz | mdh: ah |
| 03:39.39 | michal_ | is that safe? |
| 03:39.41 | matchsticker | ethics: ooh, so if i've got a customized kernel now, i'll possibly not able to apt-get the new one. |
| 03:39.46 | michal_ | or is there a "debian" way to do that? |
| 03:39.56 | behrouz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.24 | mdh | nvz: I don't want a half-arsed job going into Debian and then having to abort because of RL |
| 03:40.29 | djungal | the netinst i mean |
| 03:40.35 | nvz | behrouz: stfu, plz kthx :P |
| 03:40.37 | djungal | cause the browser download |
| 03:40.39 | djungal | SUCKS!! |
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| 03:40.56 | nvz | behrouz: I answered you 8 minutes ago |
| 03:40.58 | ethics | matchsticker, if its custom its not the same as the debian defautl ones...debian default ones are apt-gettable...whats custom about yours? |
| 03:41.27 | zeeble | matchsticker: get the sources, and look at kernel-package. you can use your custom kernel config, and use it to build a new kernel-image .deb |
| 03:41.48 | Guerin | michal_: why wouldn't it be? |
| 03:41.49 | mdh | and speaking of more stable job |
| 03:42.06 | matchsticker | zeeble: Hmm, that's my way now.. i wish to avoid compiling it myself.. |
| 03:42.10 | newuser1 | Can someone point me to updated installation directions for Debian Sarge. I have attempted multiple times, but haven't been able to get it up and running where I want it. Main sticking point is with Xserver/KDE. |
| 03:42.11 | michal_ | Guerin: because it sounds like any use could access any other users email |
| 03:42.11 | Guerin | michal_: well, debian doesn't really have its own mechanisms for doing virtualhosts |
| 03:42.40 | Guerin | michal_: not at all. Unless they're in vmail, they can't read ANY mail except by imap or such. |
| 03:42.53 | zeeble | matchsticker: hehe |
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| 03:43.21 | behrouz | nvz: i put the script in the PATH variable, but i can't run the bash command from any directory :( |
| 03:43.29 | michal_ | Guerin: but that's my point.. it sounds like via imap they could. unless of course the imap server is perfectly secure.. i guess there's no guarantees either way |
| 03:43.42 | djungal | ok folks.. NVM i found it |
| 03:44.04 | ethics | newuser1: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install kde gnome gdm should be about right for you after net-inst |
| 03:44.04 | Guerin | michal_: um... if they can log into someone else's account via imap, sure they can read other peoples' mail. |
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| 03:45.01 | ethics | newuser1, kdm instead of gdm if you like and gnome is optional if you only want kde |
| 03:45.10 | michal_ | Guerin: sounds like it doesn't matter which account theuy log into they have read access to other accounts.. it's then up to the imap server to have no security holes as file/directory permissions no longer play a role |
| 03:45.15 | newuser1 | ethics: I have tried that and can't get it to start correctly. |
| 03:45.29 | Guerin | michal_: that's what imap servers DO. |
| 03:45.38 | newuser1 | ethics, that might have been part of the prob. was tyring to reconfig gdm. |
| 03:45.38 | ethics | newuser1, whats the error x etc gives back?.....look for EE... |
| 03:45.50 | djungal | i am out |
| 03:46.13 | newuser1 | ethics: No good error returned. Just two message to use the repotbug tool. |
| 03:46.13 | ethics | newuser1, reconfiging to do what? |
| 03:46.18 | behrouz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.22 | nvz | behrouz: you do not put the script in the path variable, you put the location of the script |
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| 03:46.43 | nvz | behrouz: the script also must contain a #! with a valid interpreter at the top |
| 03:46.53 | ethics | behrouz put it in a folder in the path? /usr/bin or something... |
| 03:47.13 | newuser1 | ethics: First install of desktop did not include xserver-xfree86. Had to use apt to install, and then reconfigure both xserver, and then gdm to get to startup. |
| 03:47.21 | newuser1 | ethics: trying another install. |
| 03:47.41 | ethics | newuser1, x is optionall it wont install automatically..apt-get is the right way |
| 03:47.42 | zeeble | Does'nt the gnome or gnome-desktop metapackage include gdm? |
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| 03:47.53 | ethics | zeeble, nope.. |
| 03:47.53 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:47.57 | Guerin | one of them does |
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| 03:48.09 | zeeble | gnome-desktop has it. just checked. |
| 03:48.13 | behrouz | nvz: so i put the #!bash ... on the first line |
| 03:48.17 | herbi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.33 | behrouz | then on the next line i put the path and then the command right |
| 03:48.33 | Guerin | herbi_: it's java. Who cares? |
| 03:48.37 | ethics | zeeble, hmm intresting..although i was already using gdm so it probably was same version |
| 03:48.43 | nvz | behrouz: no, #! /bin/bash |
| 03:49.01 | newuser1 | ethics: if you chose 'desktop' when setting up basic config (same spot where you can choose web server, or database server), shouldn't X be required then? |
| 03:49.02 | herbi_ | well i might be working with it |
| 03:49.54 | zeeble | herbi_: check out the apache tomcat pages :) pretty detailed. decent to setup, but spews loads of errors with bad code. |
| 03:50.04 | stew | herbi_: its a java application server (and all that encompases: jsp's ejb's, etc) and its a webserver, its the reference implementation for the servlet api and stuff |
| 03:50.38 | ethics | newuser1, yeah the tasksel should do the apt-gets you need. |
| 03:51.27 | newuser1 | ethics: one install somehow missed X. Attempting to reinstall. |
| 03:51.39 | herbi_ | thanks |
| 03:51.48 | behrouz | nvz: yes thats what i have, but on the nxt line i have the script path (/home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27) space, and then the command, but now when i run the bash command it says /home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27 is a directory!!!! |
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| 03:52.09 | newuser1 | ethics: It's odd, I had no issues configuring a non-stable verson of sarge, but a hardware failure is causing me to reinstall, and now struggling witht he stable version. |
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| 03:52.47 | user_ | what is the name of the utility wchihc can dsiplay what keys are pressed? (in x) |
| 03:52.50 | behrouz | nvz: and /home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27 IS a directory |
| 03:52.52 | ethics | newuser1, strange 8(. although i have issues with the installer on everything use hehe |
| 03:53.44 | newuser1 | ethics: I'm now using the linux26 install options because the new motherboard has SATA abilities.... could that be causing issues? |
| 03:53.54 | stew | crap, i think i have an apache bug on my hands, and i want to verify that i got it when i recently upgraded apache, but now i can't find the old .debs to downgrade to to verify that it happens on an upgrade |
| 03:53.54 | liable | user_: xev |
| 03:54.04 | trave11er | behrouz: there should not be a space between path and the filename |
| 03:54.13 | user_ | liable thanks |
| 03:54.18 | stew | and they aren't in /var/cache/apt/archives anymore |
| 03:54.21 | ethics | newuser1, well all my probelms are from sata stuff but it shouldntr affect your apt-gets etc.... |
| 03:54.25 | trave11er | behrouz: just give the absolute path+name of the script you want executed |
| 03:54.35 | trave11er | like /usr/src/blah/script |
| 03:55.03 | nvz | behrouz: yes, because /home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27 is a directory and you didnt type a command before it. |
| 03:55.11 | furrywolf | argh... I fucking give up. STILL can't get the scanner to work. sane seems terminally broken... |
| 03:55.21 | ethics | newuser1, the installer si normally very good tho |
| 03:55.26 | nvz | behrouz: you are suppose to put the path into $PATH environment variable, not into the script |
| 03:55.27 | behrouz | nvz: oh the command goes before the path? |
| 03:55.46 | newuser1 | ethics - thanks for the help. I'll see where I end up after this install :-s |
| 03:56.05 | behrouz | nvz: how do i put the path into $PATH environment variable |
| 03:56.09 | furrywolf | Nothing I try makes any difference whatsoever... still does preview scans perfectly, but instantly hangs when trying to do an actual scan. |
| 03:56.16 | ethics | newuser1, if you get stuck just come here ....we normally help hehe |
| 03:56.39 | newuser1 | :-) |
| 03:56.49 | furrywolf | I can't get it to give me any useful debug information |
| 03:57.34 | furrywolf | even tried new scsi cables and terminator, to make sure a cable hadn't died... no change |
| 03:57.53 | ethics | furrywolf, what scanner just coz im nosey? |
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| 03:58.47 | furrywolf | ethics: UMAX SuperVista S-12... which last year worked perfectly, and other than upgrading packages, nothing has changed since then. |
| 03:59.07 | furrywolf | I had it unplugged (didn't move it; just unplugged power and scsi) for a year or so... plug it back in, and now sane crashes. |
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| 03:59.45 | ethics | furrywolf, yeah i know those scanners from my retail days...they were nice at the time...sane probably broke something |
| 04:00.39 | furrywolf | does preview scans perfectly... but both scanimage and the quiteinsane gimp plugin instantly hang if you try an actual scan |
| 04:00.47 | behrouz | nvz: i put the command first and then the path it didn't work, how do i put the path into $PATH environment |
| 04:00.48 | furrywolf | they're still nice. analog gamma. |
| 04:00.57 | nvz | behrouz: echo "$PATH:/home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27" > $PATH; export $PATH |
| 04:01.04 | ethics | yay the new 0.58 deb works on my 2.6.12 good to see that kernel in unstable soon |
| 04:01.19 | user_ | anybody knows what is hte key is getting jammed . xev dislayes it as keycode 111 |
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| 04:01.31 | behrouz | nvz: do i put that into the script? |
| 04:01.34 | nvz | no |
| 04:01.48 | nvz | ffs stop writing and runnig scripts, go read a bash manual |
| 04:02.02 | trave11er | nvz: hm, that's a very original way to set a variable |
| 04:02.16 | trave11er | i don't think it will work |
| 04:02.20 | nvz | trave11er: I am busy playing a game, I honestly dont care about his variables :P |
| 04:02.54 | trave11er | behrouz: type at the shell prompt: export PATH=${PATH}:/new/directory/to/add/to/path |
| 04:03.22 | furrywolf | ethics: question is, what do I do about it? I need to scan something. :( |
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| 04:03.41 | trave11er | if the setting is correct, you can then run all the scripts contained in this new directory by calling them just by their name |
| 04:03.42 | ethics | seems like loading modules in a particular order is a hard thing to do...buggered if i can find any info on howto |
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| 04:04.15 | gogo3or | /usr/local/home/vhosts/bdomain.com/jakarta-tomcat-4.1.31/ and I want only get the 5 dir "domain.com" thanks for help |
| 04:04.19 | ethics | furrywolf, have you tried a different driver for it? primax used very similar bits.. |
| 04:04.58 | gogo3or | I don't know which soft use awk, cat? |
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| 04:05.30 | Guerin | gogo3or: awk, if you know where they are |
| 04:05.32 | New2Deb | i guess since I need some help I should not ask nvz. is that the welcome wagon? |
| 04:05.39 | Guerin | !tell gogo3or about awk cheats |
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| 04:05.45 | defcon8 | is it possible to arrange a gb keyboard so i can get a us layout? |
| 04:06.05 | Guerin | defcon8: anything's possible. |
| 04:07.00 | stew | defcon8: what do you mean be "arrange"? |
| 04:07.02 | ttick | anyone know of an application that allows you to record off your out-going sound channel? In Windows there is TotalRecorder, which listens to the sound-driver's output to the speaker to allow you to record thinks like RealAudio streams. Anyone know of something like that for Linux? |
| 04:07.03 | defcon8 | ok but are the keys right |
| 04:07.06 | behrouz | trave11er: did the export but still deosn't work, it only runs from the directory it is in |
| 04:07.10 | defcon8 | the combinations on one key the same? |
| 04:07.32 | trave11er | behrouz: you set the PATH variable? |
| 04:07.36 | ethics | defcon8, depends if you what the right symbols on keys....forinstance i have the number 2 with a * above it on mine rather than the usual @...i know what it is but the symbol is incvorrect |
| 04:07.53 | chealer | ethics: which new udev 058 deb? |
| 04:07.53 | defcon8 | mine has a number 8 with a * above |
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| 04:08.10 | trave11er | behrouz: what is the output of the command echo ${PATH} now? |
| 04:08.10 | Guerin | ttick: mplayer can dump anything to a PCM wave file |
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| 04:08.16 | ethics | chealer: maintainer sent me one |
| 04:08.18 | New2Deb | i am compiling PHP5. is there a flag for AMD64? |
| 04:08.22 | Guerin | ttick: if you can play it, that is |
| 04:08.24 | defcon8 | and 2 keys to the right of L i have @ |
| 04:08.29 | Guerin | !wayc New2Deb |
| 04:08.30 | dpkg | New2Deb: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 04:08.31 | defcon8 | but you have to shift for that |
| 04:08.36 | Guerin | !php5 |
| 04:08.37 | dpkg | hmm... php5 is at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system, or see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
| 04:08.41 | chealer | ethics: heh |
| 04:08.45 | ttick | Guerin: hmm, don't believe mplayer can play RealAudio streams (from a website). But thanks. |
| 04:08.46 | New2Deb | could not find 5.0.4 packages |
| 04:08.52 | Guerin | ttick: sure it can. |
| 04:08.53 | stew | ttick: it can |
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| 04:09.00 | ttick | woah |
| 04:09.05 | Guerin | ttick: mplayer can play anything you have a codec for. |
| 04:09.12 | ttick | guerin stew: okay, didn't know that! |
| 04:09.26 | ttick | guess I'll have to check it out, then. |
| 04:09.28 | furrywolf | Hrmm. unchecking "use non-blocking io if available" and "enable backend translations" makes it work again. woot!! sounding more and more like sane broke something... but at least I figured out how to make it work. |
| 04:09.32 | ttick | mucho thanks, homeros. |
| 04:09.34 | furrywolf | now to see which option fixed it |
| 04:09.44 | Guerin | New2Deb: it's an incredibly bad idea to build your own shit on a debian box unless you know what you're doing. |
| 04:09.52 | Guerin | New2Deb: which you clearly don't. |
| 04:09.59 | behrouz | trave11er: what do u mean by setting the path variable, should i put the path in the script |
| 04:10.01 | jasoncohen | does anyone know why the security team hasn't released any security updates in the last month or so even though there are several known issues which have been fixed by other distros + there have been patched versions of some packages sent to the security team that haven't been acted upon |
| 04:10.03 | ethics | chealer: its just a raw udev tho nothing special in debian from what i saw ...i was using source udev 058 for a few days unhindered |
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| 04:10.15 | stew | jasoncohen: they are still drunk from the release party |
| 04:10.21 | simy | hey is there an alarm or somthing i can install? that will play an audio file or somthing??? |
| 04:10.27 | Guerin | jasoncohen: ask debian-security mailing list |
| 04:10.33 | jasoncohen | Guerin, ok |
| 04:10.40 | Guerin | jasoncohen: it's a valid question. |
| 04:10.40 | simy | cause i dont think im gona get up in 3 1/2 hours togoto work... |
| 04:11.01 | Guerin | simy: cron and mpg321; ammx also has a wakeup function |
| 04:11.02 | trave11er | behrouz: ok, i'll try to explain it |
| 04:11.12 | chealer | ethics: check steve langasek's answer on d-security |
| 04:11.13 | stew | simy: or at(1) and mpg321 |
| 04:11.28 | simy | thanks.... |
| 04:11.30 | trave11er | behrouz: you need to set the PATH variable |
| 04:11.37 | trave11er | behrouz: either inside your script |
| 04:11.38 | behrouz | okay |
| 04:11.49 | trave11er | behrouz: or _before_ running the script |
| 04:11.49 | gogo3or | Guerin: thanks but there is nothing about how to get particular directory |
| 04:12.01 | Guerin | gogo3or: ? |
| 04:12.06 | trave11er | behrouz: if you set it in your shell before running the script and export it |
| 04:12.19 | stew | gogo3or: you want an awk script that retruns the 5th directory in a path? |
| 04:12.19 | trave11er | behrouz: then that setting will be inherited by your script |
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| 04:12.25 | ethics | chealer: link? im googling atm |
| 04:12.33 | gogo3or | stew: yes |
| 04:12.35 | punkrockguy318 | How do I set the default debian browser? |
| 04:12.44 | behrouz | okay |
| 04:12.58 | trave11er | behrouz: so you can do two things: either use the export PATH trick in the shell before running your script |
| 04:13.11 | stew | gogo3or: a hint would be that you need awk -F/ |
| 04:13.18 | furrywolf | narrowed it down further... "quality calibration" seems to be the setting that kills it. |
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| 04:13.26 | trave11er | behrouz: or put PATH=${PATH}:/new/path/dir into your script, before your command |
| 04:13.30 | gogo3or | stew: thanks |
| 04:13.45 | chealer | ethics: try mhonarcing instead |
| 04:13.46 | stew | gogo3or: lookup what -F does |
| 04:13.55 | trave11er | behrouz: in the latter case you don't need to export it, since you are setting it directly in the script |
| 04:14.03 | trave11er | so the script may look like this: |
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| 04:14.10 | trave11er | #!/bin/sh |
| 04:14.19 | trave11er | PATH=${PATH}:/some/dir |
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| 04:14.22 | trave11er | command |
| 04:14.26 | gogo3or | stew: :) |
| 04:14.35 | trave11er | if the command is in /some/dir, it will get executed |
| 04:14.42 | chealer | punkrockguy318: man update-alternatives (x-www-browser) |
| 04:15.09 | chealer | ethics: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/06/msg00098.html |
| 04:15.19 | furrywolf | yep, that's definitely it. only when "quality calibration" is checked does it hang. |
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| 04:15.37 | behrouz | trave11er: greate, the export trick didn't work for some reason i'll setting the path in my script |
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| 04:17.25 | furrywolf | wah! but analog gamma is broken in the quiteinsane plugin too. that's the whole reason I plugged this scanner back in! |
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| 04:18.40 | dilku | how can i find a file delongs to which pkg ( dpkg ) > |
| 04:18.58 | dilku | *Belongs |
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| 04:19.20 | stew | dilku: dpkg -S file |
| 04:19.47 | stew | dilku: or dpkg -L package; depending on what you meant |
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| 04:22.03 | behrouz | trave11er: i think the bash just doesn't like me, i can't get it working, in my script i have #!/bin/sh nxt line PATH=${PATH}:/home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27/ nxt line command, i name the bash file uml |
| 04:22.34 | trave11er | behrouz: what's the command exactly? |
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| 04:22.50 | stew | behrouz: you are trying to get the script to execute /home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27/uml ? |
| 04:22.51 | trave11er | type the line as it appears in the script |
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| 04:23.08 | New2Deb | where can I find the book on using apt-get to get PHP5 installed well on my box (assuming that is possible)? |
| 04:23.10 | ethics | chealer, that seems to be about security, why did i read that.....althought it is good to know |
| 04:23.21 | dilku | Thanks .... |
| 04:23.32 | stew | New2Deb: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 04:23.43 | New2Deb | thank you stew |
| 04:23.49 | behrouz | trave11er: its ./linux ubdo=root_fs_slack8.1 mem=128, but linux is not a directory its part of the command |
| 04:23.50 | nvz | behrouz: ffs, just edit ~/.bash_profile and uncomment the lines about private bin, and then make a folder ~/bin and put your scripts there |
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| 04:24.23 | trave11er | behrouz: bah |
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| 04:24.29 | nvz | behrouz: then run ./.bash_profile |
| 04:24.35 | trave11er | behrouz: when you run command as ./some_command |
| 04:24.38 | chealer | ethics: hum...I meant to say that to jasoncohen...sorry :/ |
| 04:24.50 | stew | behrouz: change ./linux to linux |
| 04:24.56 | trave11er | that means that it tries to execute the file some_command in CURRENT directory |
| 04:25.06 | behrouz | stew: that wont work |
| 04:25.09 | trave11er | behrouz: so all your PATH settings are wasted |
| 04:25.15 | stew | behrouz: why not |
| 04:25.20 | stew | behrouz: it will with that path statment |
| 04:25.23 | trave11er | behrouz: where is the file/command named linux? |
| 04:25.37 | jasoncohen | chealer, checking now |
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| 04:25.51 | stew | behrouz: or better yet, forget changing the path, put this at the top: LINUX=/home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27/uml/linux, then replace ./linux with $LINUX |
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| 04:26.55 | behrouz | trave11er: i know that it tries to execute the file some_command in CURRENT directory, and thats the only way my file will execute correctly, |
| 04:27.07 | ethics | chealer, hahaha kk np |
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| 04:28.04 | jasoncohen | chealer, you mean http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/06/msg00098.html right? |
| 04:28.41 | trave11er | behrouz: so what's the problem then? :-) |
| 04:28.47 | michal_ | anyone here have any experience with postfix, content filters and sender_bcc_maps ? |
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| 04:29.01 | Guerin | michal_: #postfix |
| 04:29.08 | michal_ | Guerin: postfix is dead |
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| 04:29.17 | michal_ | well #postfix is |
| 04:29.28 | chealer | jasoncohen: yes |
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| 04:30.00 | behrouz | trave11er: my script runs from "/home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27" but it doesn't run from anywhere else |
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| 04:30.49 | Guerin | michal_: wait.. |
| 04:30.53 | trave11er | behrouz: because your linux executable is in /home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27 ? |
| 04:31.06 | Guerin | michal_: there are good peoples in there. |
| 04:31.09 | trave11er | behrouz: do you have a /home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27/linux file? |
| 04:31.29 | deitarion | I'm not currently a debian user and a friend of mine needs some help. Where does debian put the DHCP client flags and what DHCP client does it use? |
| 04:31.48 | stew | deitarion: by default it uses dhclient, and /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 04:31.51 | michal_ | Guerin: time is not on my side :/ it's where I got the suggestion to use sender_bcc_maps but I can't figure out why they don't work. |
| 04:31.52 | Guerin | deitarion: by default, dhclient, and /etc/dhclient* |
| 04:32.07 | deitarion | ok, thanks. |
| 04:32.10 | behrouz | trave11er: ya the linux file is in /home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27, and so is my script |
| 04:32.18 | Guerin | michal_: well, i don't use them. The documentation on postfix.org is also good. |
| 04:32.28 | trave11er | behrouz: your script should then read: |
| 04:32.31 | trave11er | #!/bin/sh |
| 04:32.47 | trave11er | /home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27/linux blah blah |
| 04:32.59 | trave11er | that will get executed from anywhere |
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| 04:33.42 | michal_ | Guerin: been there and read what seemed to be related to this.. but my setup has become too complicated. might have to split things up with xen virtual machines or something like that to make it managable :/ email gateway filter + email server in one is too hard to configur |
| 04:34.03 | behrouz | trave11er: the difficulty is that i can't include "linux" as part of the directory, it should be part of the command |
| 04:34.24 | stew | behrouz: have you tried what he is suggesting? it will work |
| 04:34.45 | trave11er | behrouz: look, when you enter a command, there are two ways to find the corresponding executable script |
| 04:34.48 | stew | behrouz: or set the path and change ./linux to linux (but his suggestion is better) |
| 04:35.29 | stew | behrouz: as long as you have "./" in front of linux it will only work when you are in the same directory as the linux binary |
| 04:35.44 | trave11er | behrouz: either you type some_command and then it will look for some_command script or executable in every directory listed in PATH variable |
| 04:36.01 | dilku | how can i get the package which /etc/hosts belongs |
| 04:36.11 | trave11er | behrouz: or you give an absolute pathname to script or executable, as /some/dir/some_command |
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| 04:36.57 | trave11er | when you give a command ./some_command, you unambigously specify what should be run, namely the script/file 'some_command' in the current directory |
| 04:37.04 | Inv_arp | ok i want to apt-get apache 1.3.33 but every time its trying to get apache2 |
| 04:37.18 | trave11er | in view of that i don't quite understand what you are trying to achive |
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| 04:38.05 | dondelelcaro | dilku: there's no package that provides that file. |
| 04:38.34 | stew | dilku: its created by a install script probably netbase |
| 04:38.47 | deitarion | Is there (and if so, what is) a way to say "just use the existing resolv.conf" to dhclient? The only way I see is to define the DNS servers in dhclient.conf using "supersede". |
| 04:38.53 | behrouz | trave11er: i'm just trying to run linux from any directory, i'm gonna do the first method again and use the export command u mentioned, but that also didn't work earlier |
| 04:39.13 | deitarion | (I'm used to DHCPCD which makes it as simple as adding a command-line switch) |
| 04:39.21 | trave11er | behrouz: it did not work because you had ./linux instead of just linux |
| 04:39.39 | dilku | dondelelcaro, that was an example .. |
| 04:39.53 | dilku | any file like that .. |
| 04:40.06 | stew | deitarion: supersede is the way to do it, otherwise you can copy a canned resolv.conf overtop of the one you get from dhclient using the up directive in /etc/network/interfaces (man 5 interfaces) |
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| 04:40.36 | stew | trave11er: he's not going to get it |
| 04:41.01 | trave11er | stew: there is always hope |
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| 04:41.24 | deitarion | OK, I guess that if I run a debian box, I'll use dhcpcd instead. (familiarity reasons) |
| 04:41.24 | stew | dilku: dpkg -S filename if its owned by a package, if its not (like /etc/hosts) you can grep for it in /var/lib/dpkg/info and maybe figure out what created it |
| 04:41.50 | dilku | stew, thanks .. |
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| 04:43.14 | ke6isf | I came on earlier needing assistance in setting up X, however the recommendation didn't work; I still only seem to be able to get 800x600x24b for resolution. |
| 04:44.09 | ke6isf | Is there some sort of alternative I can use if the method that /msg'ing dpkg doesn't work? |
| 04:45.03 | jasoncohen | ke6isf, what method did dpkg suggest? |
| 04:45.08 | stew | ke6isf: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ; /msg dpkg set up x ; and /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 04:45.30 | behrouz | trave11er: i'm a bit closer, i didn't include ./ and used the export command , the script runs from anywhere now, BUT when i dont include ./ as part of the command my file runs but then it crashes, so i have to have './' as part of my command, |
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| 04:46.05 | stew | behrouz: then put a "cd /home/blahb/linux-2.4.27/" in the script before ./linux |
| 04:46.07 | trave11er | behrouz: sorry then, i clearly do not have enough information about what you are trying to do |
| 04:46.11 | ke6isf | jasoncohen: apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:46.30 | Guerin | ok, my /home free space is being displayed wildly incorrectly |
| 04:46.31 | trave11er | behrouz: try what stew says, i'm out of ideas |
| 04:46.55 | jasoncohen | ke6isf, and you ran dpkg-reconfig xserver-xfree86 to choose a higher resolution? |
| 04:46.59 | behrouz | trave11er: thanks for the help |
| 04:46.59 | ke6isf | jasoncohen: This is the solution by doing /msg dpkg set up x. |
| 04:47.00 | Guerin | like |
| 04:47.02 | Guerin | 30G out |
| 04:47.09 | ke6isf | jasoncohen: Not yet. |
| 04:47.11 | Guerin | and a remount doesn't change it |
| 04:47.13 | jasoncohen | ke6isf, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:47.27 | stew | Guerin: sekrit pr0n stash? |
| 04:47.31 | jasoncohen | ke6isf, it'll let you choose a higher resolution. |
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| 04:49.52 | Guerin | stew: nttbomk |
| 04:50.06 | Guerin | du -sh sayd 41G used |
| 04:50.26 | ke6isf | Whee, gotta restart. |
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| 04:50.34 | Guerin | i manually add up all dirs over 100MB and I get ~ 13G |
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| 04:51.35 | ke6isf | Still not there. |
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| 04:52.50 | ke6isf | stew: What was that last one I was supposed to get from dpkg? |
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| 04:54.03 | behrouz | stew: i have /home/behrouz/linux-2.4.27 as my second line and the command as the third line, but the stupid script only runs from one directory |
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| 04:55.42 | capu | how do i uninstall programs? |
| 04:55.52 | capu | i want to remove growisofs |
| 04:56.03 | capu | but cant find out how |
| 04:56.26 | trave11er | capu: aptitude purge <package> |
| 04:56.36 | ke6isf | capu: 'apt-get remove pkgname [pkgname] ... |
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| 04:57.21 | capu | thanks |
| 04:58.02 | capu | what packagename is growisofs under? |
| 04:58.10 | cplx | Can someone assist me with ssh.. I am connected to a box.. and the connection times out after 20 mins or so.. |
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| 04:58.39 | cplx | the internet connection isnt disconnected, so I'm interested as to why it's doing that |
| 04:59.04 | ke6isf | cplx: Typically an ssh connection will TO after 20 minutes of no activity. It's not a bug, it's a (security) feature. |
| 04:59.09 | sparr_ | how can i flip my display vertically using the nvidia display driver? it doesnt support the neccessary xrandr options |
| 04:59.20 | ke6isf | cplx: It can also be adjusted at root's whim. |
| 05:00.10 | mdh | sparr_: pick display up. tilt it 180 degrees either clockwise or counter-clockwise. |
| 05:00.30 | cplx | ke6isf: how do I adjust it to unlimited? |
| 05:01.23 | mdh | cplx: if you're going through a masquerading firewall, you may be hitting the default 15 minute timeout of masq connections |
| 05:01.38 | ke6isf | cplx: Not sure, actually; I've never had to adjust it. |
| 05:01.47 | ke6isf | cplx: Also check ssh_config(5) for more information. |
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| 05:02.03 | mdh | I've never heard of a timeout with ssh |
| 05:02.23 | ke6isf | mdh: I've had them, without a firewall. Granted, I was using PuTTY on a windoze box.... |
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| 05:02.56 | mdh | interesting, therte's no mention of it in the config |
| 05:03.18 | ke6isf | I did not know that. I remember seeing it in the config file when running Mandribble for some reason. |
| 05:03.29 | mdh | there's a bunch of other types of timeouts (connection timeouts, setup timeouts, ...) no inactivity timeout |
| 05:03.47 | sobersabre | mdh, a timeout can occur. |
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| 05:04.31 | sobersabre | and it is very usefull with scripts for clusters - you setup a timeout, and if it occurs, you have a very characteristic line. so you can wipe it with grep and count it. |
| 05:07.11 | mdh | sobersabre: I'm not denying timeouts can occur - we're using the internet ;) I'm just saying there's no config option in "man ssh_config" to say "drop out explicitly every 20 minutes" |
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| 05:07.30 | mdh | that sounds more like a masqerading timeout |
| 05:08.00 | behrouz | trave11er: just wanted to make sure what i'm doing is right, i'm doing the export command, and have in my bash file, #!/bin/bash as first line, then the PATH=${PATH}... as second line and then the command as the third line, right now when i run it from anywhere else it tells me the command is not a file or a directory! |
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| 05:09.02 | eonn | guys just a quickie, Im getting this message that says "only root wants to start gdm" and then i have to su and start gdm. How can i set it to automatically start and then select KDE as the default X Session? |
| 05:09.15 | nvz | behrouz: edit the file in your home dir .bash_profile, uncomment the lines for the private bin, create the private bin dir, and put your scripts in there from now on |
| 05:09.16 | ethics | ok how do i log bootup......an wtf is intel piix still fucked afte 7 versions of kernel |
| 05:09.29 | dondelelcaro | eonn: if you've installed gdm, by default it will start at boot. |
| 05:09.32 | sobersabre | mdh, it is a strange thing you need it. |
| 05:09.35 | nvz | behrouz: then any script you put into that dir will run from anywhere as your user |
| 05:09.38 | mdh | ethics: software can't correct some hardware errors ;) |
| 05:09.38 | sobersabre | can you explain why ? |
| 05:09.59 | sobersabre | mdh, especially incorporateed with DNA ... ? |
| 05:10.06 | dondelelcaro | eonn: if it's not, then you've changed the script or deleted the symlinks that allow it to start. |
| 05:10.08 | ethics | mdh: i can correct it if it would let me load modules in the right bloody order...... |
| 05:10.18 | mdh | sobersabre: I don't need it. someone else is having a problem where every ~20 minutes their ssh connection drops out. |
| 05:10.24 | eonn | dondelelcaro: im starting in runlevel 2 |
| 05:10.34 | sobersabre | mdh, OK... WHAT the logs say ? |
| 05:10.35 | dondelelcaro | eonn: it doesn't matter. |
| 05:11.02 | ethics | is there such a thing as bootlog ? |
| 05:11.06 | eonn | dondelelcaro: so whats the solution? |
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| 05:11.07 | dondelelcaro | in Debian there are no differences between 2-5. |
| 05:11.13 | chealer | ethics: it's bootlogd |
| 05:11.18 | behrouz | nvz: but i wanted to run my command in the specified directory only |
| 05:11.28 | dondelelcaro | eonn: fix the symlinks so gdm is started at boot time. |
| 05:11.39 | sobersabre | ethics, there's a thing named dmesg |
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| 05:11.53 | sobersabre | if you mean this... |
| 05:11.53 | mdh | cplx: can you run ssh -vvv <host> and see if it gives you any useful info |
| 05:12.06 | zl2tod | sobersabre, put "Keepalive yes" into /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 05:12.08 | kadigibox | hello. what do I put down in /etc/dhclient.conf so that DHCP does not set 10.0.0.1 as the primary DNS server? |
| 05:12.14 | eonn | dondelelcaro: then how do i make KDE the default ? |
| 05:12.18 | chealer | dondelelcaro: thanks for the followup on wwer. I didn't know blootbot had quoting |
| 05:12.22 | zl2tod | maybe KeepAlive |
| 05:12.26 | sobersabre | zl2tod, i don't need it... :) |
| 05:12.29 | mdh | eonn: debian doesn't use runlevels by default, gdm will start in runlevel 2 by default |
| 05:12.30 | ke6isf | Got my problem sussed; required a server restart, not merely a logout/login. Thanks for the help, stew. |
| 05:12.33 | ethics | sobersabre, only shows current boot....im kernel panicing |
| 05:12.48 | sobersabre | ethics, when are you panicing ? |
| 05:12.51 | sobersabre | on boot ? |
| 05:13.00 | sobersabre | when trying to mount root filesystem ? |
| 05:13.07 | eonn | mdh: sorry im migrating from RH. Wich directory do i need to put the gdm link? |
| 05:13.24 | sobersabre | eonn, rc2.d |
| 05:13.52 | sobersabre | but better run dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 05:14.03 | mdh | eonn: /etc/init.d (which RH has as /etc/rc.d/init.d) |
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| 05:14.12 | ke6isf | heh, dpkg-reconfigure is your friend. ^^ |
| 05:14.18 | mdh | eonn: the gdm package puts a script in there by default |
| 05:14.19 | ethics | sobersabre, piix ata-piix issues.....i need piix to pick up my cdroms and i need ata-piix to pick up my sata drives...and i need them loaded in that order, inside or outside the kernel....atm i kernel panic finding root although ill ive removed is scsi-ide which shouldnt affect it if its depecated like its meant to be |
| 05:14.20 | zl2tod | update-rc.d can be used to mess about with runlevels too |
| 05:14.34 | mdh | eonn: then you can use update-rc.d to fix all the symlinks in /etc/rcX.d/ |
| 05:14.52 | mdh | eonn: (where X is the runlevel number). man update-rc.d |
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| 05:15.21 | ethics | sobersabre, its obviously generic-scsi thats getting in the play aswell which is not helping...all in all its a shitty chipset that no ones fixed properly |
| 05:15.52 | mdh | zl2tod: ServerAliveInterval and TCPKeepAlive are two options for ssh .. that's not cplx's problem though I don't think. |
| 05:15.53 | ethics | sobersabre, yeah root FS |
| 05:16.15 | Loaf2 | Anyone know why when I try to bring up eth1 my machine totally and utterly locks up, theres nothign I can do, it happens instatly, theres no errors in any log file I can think of, it just totally dies, when I bring up eth0 it works fine, Ive tried swtiching NICs already |
| 05:16.40 | ethics | does anyone know anything about anything on how the modules loading order is decided other than /etc/modules |
| 05:16.46 | ke6isf | Loaf2: IRQ conflict? Bad hardware? |
| 05:16.47 | eonn | thank you gentlemen (and laddies), the Debian community truely deserves it reputation as being supportive |
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| 05:17.33 | ke6isf | Loaf2: Have you also tried bringing up eth1 before eth0? |
| 05:17.36 | mdh | ethics: will the cdroms work okay under scsi emulation? |
| 05:17.43 | Loaf2 | well it was working just fine a little bit ago but I turned off the machine for a bit and then back on and it started happening, at first I couldnt get it to boot because of it |
| 05:17.49 | nvz | ethics: /etc/init.d/modutils |
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| 05:18.05 | ethics | mdh nope it seems not....i couldnt mount anything when they showed up as sg0 sg1 etc |
| 05:18.07 | mdh | ethics: anything truly ATAPI should be fine... (since that's basically scsi anyway ;) |
| 05:18.12 | nvz | ethics: read it, its the script that loads the modules. unless of course you have discover installed |
| 05:18.13 | sobersabre | ethics, did you play with initrd ? |
| 05:18.25 | sobersabre | you need to play with it. |
| 05:18.33 | ethics | sobersabre, i dont have one..... |
| 05:18.47 | sobersabre | hm,mmmm... this is the reason you get panic. |
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| 05:19.03 | ethics | nvz, well i was using udev & descover but i could remove discover... |
| 05:19.38 | cat-dog | hi i am using kde3.3 ,how to install kde3.4 ? |
| 05:19.46 | chealer | !topicsmite cat-dog |
| 05:19.47 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cat-dog. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:19.50 | sobersabre | ethics, use initrd man. put all the drivers in it. |
| 05:20.10 | sobersabre | in the right order. |
| 05:20.36 | ethics | sobersabre, there is nowhere to put the order in... |
| 05:20.53 | ethics | sobersabre, i want to choose the order the kernel loads the drivers |
| 05:21.06 | cat-dog | chealer: yeah ,i know topic ,i mean how to install kde3.4 under debian,there seems no deb packge |
| 05:21.22 | sobersabre | ethics, how do you build an initrd ? |
| 05:21.24 | ke6isf | Loaf2: Try 'ifdown eth0; ifup eth1'. If you can still reproduce the problem despite different hardware, I'll bet it's a hosed bus. |
| 05:21.25 | chealer | !kde3.4 |
| 05:21.25 | dpkg | kde3.4 is probably not really packaged yet, or see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34, or not supported anywhere, *particularly* #debian |
| 05:21.30 | sobersabre | you need to edit it manually. |
| 05:21.34 | kreg | got an old pentium 133 40mb memory Laptop. I got one nic on it. any idea what it could be used as? mail, web, something? |
| 05:21.34 | ethics | cat-dog theres dev debs around |
| 05:21.45 | sobersabre | are you familiar with initrd structure ? |
| 05:21.55 | ke6isf | kreg: How much disk space? |
| 05:22.01 | kreg | 4gb |
| 05:22.18 | ke6isf | kreg: Same thing that many authors of old used a portable typewriter. Compositions while on the road. |
| 05:22.19 | pipeline | kreg: Anything you want, really. |
| 05:22.39 | sobersabre | q: is there a utility that allows auto-discovering the network - i have 2 NICs - eth0 [ipw2200], static IP at home. eth1 - 3c59x - DHCP at work. |
| 05:22.44 | pipeline | kreg: 40M isn't much, but it's enough for pretty much anything. :P |
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| 05:22.48 | ethics | sobersabre, somewhat but i dont use initrd normally.... theres a file i can change? |
| 05:22.50 | sobersabre | how do i automate network discovery ? |
| 05:23.01 | ethics | sobersabre, as in dhcp? |
| 05:23.02 | sobersabre | ethics, initrd is a compressed filesystem |
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| 05:23.13 | ethics | sobersabre, yeah cramfs.. |
| 05:23.28 | SMoked1 | Hey guys. Is CentOS any good? |
| 05:23.35 | stew | sobersabre: usually |
| 05:23.41 | caphuso | SMoked1: wrong channel |
| 05:23.43 | pipeline | SMoked1: Install Debin. |
| 05:23.55 | ke6isf | SMoked1: Debian is mother. Debian is father. |
| 05:24.05 | sobersabre | ethics, that's not the point. the point is there is /lib/modules there for modules.and /etc and in /etc/ there can be a file modules or modules.conf which sets the order of loading. |
| 05:24.18 | SMoked1 | I did but the Cpanel that i want to use does not run on debian |
| 05:24.23 | kreg | pipatron, snort? |
| 05:24.25 | SMoked1 | It's for a webhosting server |
| 05:24.30 | pipeline | SMoked1: CPanel is evil. |
| 05:24.30 | stew | ugh cpanel |
| 05:24.30 | SMoked1 | Debian is my OS of choice |
| 05:24.44 | SMoked1 | What would you gus suggest? |
| 05:24.52 | SMoked1 | guys |
| 05:24.52 | nvz | a developer |
| 05:24.54 | sobersabre | SMoked1, CentOS is RHEL clone. |
| 05:24.54 | pipeline | SMoked1: Not using bullshit web administration programs. |
| 05:25.03 | ethics | sobersabre, ok so i should mount my initrd for the default debian kernel and see what it has as far as ordering |
| 05:25.09 | ke6isf | What is cpanel? |
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| 05:25.10 | sobersabre | if you must use RHEL - use it. |
| 05:25.19 | sobersabre | ke6isf, i don't know either... |
| 05:25.23 | nvz | ke6isf: remote web administration program |
| 05:25.26 | pipeline | ke6isf: A web interface that supposedly automates administration tasks. |
| 05:25.28 | sobersabre | probably some web based blable |
| 05:25.32 | nvz | my brother uses it |
| 05:25.35 | ke6isf | Feh, use webmin. |
| 05:25.42 | pipeline | ke6isf: Webmin is no better. |
| 05:26.02 | stew | ke6isf: cpanels is aimed towards domain/webhosting resellers |
| 05:26.10 | sobersabre | ethics, you should. |
| 05:26.17 | ke6isf | pipeline: Beats a sock in the nose, I guess - but I got used to it from when I was running Mandreck I mean Mandribble. |
| 05:26.22 | _root_ | my startx is failing with signal 11 .. it is also showing some unresolved symbols in stack_smash_handler and __guard... can any one help me regaring this issue |
| 05:26.27 | sobersabre | but i don't know which compression it uses... anyway, mount and fix it. |
| 05:26.32 | sobersabre | mount it RW |
| 05:26.53 | caphuso | i don't think cramfs can be mounted rw |
| 05:27.11 | mdh | ethics: make-kpkg can do the initrd stuff for you when you build the kernel with it |
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| 05:27.55 | sobersabre | caphuso, why now ?!? |
| 05:27.57 | caphuso | mkcramfs works like mkisofs, you create a directory with the content which you then copy into a filesystem image |
| 05:27.59 | SMoked1 | Yes I plan on reselling hosting |
| 05:28.37 | ethics | mdh yeah i know i normally dont use one... |
| 05:28.47 | sobersabre | caphuso, i mean why "not" ? :) |
| 05:29.03 | pipeline | ke6isf: You mean mansnake? |
| 05:29.13 | sobersabre | if not, then you copy all data from it, and create a new initrd |
| 05:29.28 | ke6isf | pipeline: Dude, I'm not sure I'd call it that - insulting to snakes. |
| 05:29.36 | caphuso | sobersabre: because there's no write support |
| 05:29.37 | ethics | sobersabre, so i have initrd mounted but im not finding any piix references......only in loadmodules where it does modprobe -k ata-piix |
| 05:29.44 | caphuso | touch: cannot touch `foo': Read-only file system |
| 05:30.13 | sobersabre | ethics. you need to edit all files that load modules. |
| 05:30.25 | sobersabre | caphuso, ok.. it is because of cramfs. |
| 05:30.36 | mdh | pipeline: I think their new name is insulting enough... no need to make up others ;) |
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| 05:31.00 | ke6isf | mdh: touche. ^^ |
| 05:31.05 | sobersabre | mdh, you mean centos ? |
| 05:31.09 | ethics | sobersabre, im trying to find any that actually load modules... |
| 05:31.11 | jm_ | ravenbird: you sure have a long FQDN there |
| 05:31.11 | ravenbird | jm_: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 05:31.18 | streuner | ravenbird. wb |
| 05:31.23 | mdh | Mandriva - sounds like one of those prison cellmates you hear about |
| 05:31.40 | streuner | ravenbird, wb |
| 05:31.40 | ravenbird | thanks, streuner. It's good to be back. |
| 05:31.49 | sobersabre | mdh, oh.. you get into the names calling :) |
| 05:32.38 | ke6isf | mdh: Oh man, I gotta bash that one. |
| 05:33.01 | ke6isf | Better yet, quoting my wife, "It sounds like a South American hitman". |
| 05:33.04 | mdh | sobersabre: that's the actual name. I'm not making it up. |
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| 05:33.52 | sanxiyn | From the heart of dawn, thou sinister blackbird... |
| 05:34.03 | sobersabre | ethics, you need to edit loadmodules. |
| 05:34.03 | mdh | I think of a gay pole dancer... heelooo darling <smooch smooch> myyy name is Mandriva |
| 05:34.06 | sobersabre | or linuxrc |
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| 05:34.45 | ke6isf | mdh: (from my wife) No, a gay South American pole dancer. |
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| 05:35.34 | sanxiyn | And the liden trees quiver. |
| 05:35.47 | sanxiyn | oops |
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| 05:36.28 | ke6isf | Argh, farcking wheelmouse. |
| 05:36.52 | sobersabre | ke6isf, if it were a ski-mouse would it be better ? |
| 05:36.59 | ke6isf | sobersabre: Not sure. |
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| 05:37.27 | ke6isf | In dpkg-reconfigure xserver-etc, for a wheelmouse, is it PS/2 or ImPS/2 if I want it to scroll? |
| 05:37.44 | sobersabre | there are these mice with little "joy-sticks" or trackpoints... I HATE them.. wheel is the best |
| 05:37.46 | simonrvn | neither |
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| 05:38.06 | ke6isf | sobersabre: I hated them on laptops. |
| 05:38.07 | sobersabre | ke6isf, it is ZAxisMapping "4 5" |
| 05:38.16 | sobersabre | not the protocol. |
| 05:38.29 | ke6isf | sobersabre: That's in the XF86Config file I presume? |
| 05:38.31 | simonrvn | Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 05:38.36 | sobersabre | ke6isf, add also Buttons "5" |
| 05:38.42 | simonrvn | in the mouse device section |
| 05:38.46 | sobersabre | and disable 3 buttons emu. |
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| 05:38.58 | ke6isf | I think 3bemu is off, have to double check. |
| 05:39.00 | sobersabre | simonrvn, you are absolutely rite |
| 05:39.01 | simonrvn | that doesnèt seem to matter much with some mice |
| 05:39.17 | simonrvn | erg, forgot ièm using .ca layout again =) |
| 05:39.37 | sobersabre | some are not all. |
| 05:39.58 | sobersabre | and ke6isf 1st get your normal buttons work ( wheel as middle one ) |
| 05:40.04 | simonrvn | of course, as soon as we're back on, the spam bots hit my blog.... |
| 05:40.10 | ke6isf | sobersabre: Done. |
| 05:40.20 | sobersabre | works ? |
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| 05:40.42 | ethics | so whats modrobe -k do ? it's not in man or usage options from what i can see |
| 05:40.45 | ke6isf | sobersabre: I take it the Buttons syntax is 'Option Buttons "5", correct? |
| 05:40.58 | sobersabre | yeps. |
| 05:41.25 | deitarion | After fiddling around with the settings for far too long, we've decided to go with dhcpcd. How do you set command-line options for dhcpcd under Debian? |
| 05:41.29 | sobersabre | ethics it's not that modprobe you know of. |
| 05:41.41 | ke6isf | And there's no way to reload that without C-A-Backspace, is there? |
| 05:41.42 | sobersabre | inside initrd there's its own modprobe. |
| 05:42.05 | simonrvn | better to exit with the wm, itès usually gentler than ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 05:42.10 | simonrvn | it's* |
| 05:42.12 | sobersabre | ke6isf, no. X initializes devices once afaik |
| 05:42.17 | ethics | so whats modrobe -k do ? and if it's different do i need to probe differently also? |
| 05:42.35 | ke6isf | Let's see what happens. |
| 05:42.49 | simonrvn | Ether_Man: not in the man page? |
| 05:42.50 | sobersabre | ethics, hmm.. read the script modprobe in the ramdisk filesystem... |
| 05:44.11 | sobersabre | ethics, i don't think you should think of why the fs*k there's a "-k" before module name. |
| 05:44.23 | sobersabre | just play with module order, man |
| 05:45.00 | simonrvn | /etc/modules is very useful for that |
| 05:45.10 | ethics | modprobe -k ata-piix is listed already.... |
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| 05:45.25 | cat-dog | when will kde3.4 be into testing ? |
| 05:45.38 | nvz | never :p |
| 05:45.41 | ethics | simonrvn, less so when its needing to be laoded before the boot device |
| 05:45.41 | stew | cat-dog: sometime after its in sid |
| 05:46.11 | simonrvn | ethics: uh, then you're using an initrd.... |
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| 05:46.27 | cat-dog | now it is in experimental,i dont know how much time needed |
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| 05:46.57 | sobersabre | ethics, are you sure that on boot the initrd is used ? |
| 05:47.04 | ethics | simonrvn, i wasnt but im going to have to it seems...piix and ata piix issues.....need piix loaded and cdrom before atapiix fires which is the boot device |
| 05:47.13 | sobersabre | put something inside it like echo "BLABLABLA" in the linuxrc |
| 05:47.21 | mdh | cat-dog: neither do we. experimental doens't have time limitations. it's not like "14 days from unstable to testing" |
| 05:47.24 | sobersabre | and see if it gets loaded at all |
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| 05:47.58 | ke6isf | Mouse still doesn't scroll. =O.o= |
| 05:48.29 | mathieu | ke6isf, try the other buttons |
| 05:48.33 | ethics | sobersabre, at the moment i use non initrd...i have an initrd kernel also from debian and thats in the loadmodules file already . i want to know what modprobe -k does considering it's not the same modprobe and how do i load them up manual....modporbe driver would be my guess |
| 05:48.51 | ke6isf | mathieu: Everything functions, just doesn't scroll with the wheel. |
| 05:49.10 | mathieu | ke6isf, you have a z axis mapping in your x config? |
| 05:49.13 | sobersabre | ethics, -k can be also a delimiter for some other script that sources the loadmodules file |
| 05:49.16 | ke6isf | mathieu: Yeah. |
| 05:49.34 | sobersabre | ke6isf, what have you added to config file ? |
| 05:50.03 | ke6isf | sobersabre: Option ZAxisMapping "4 5" |
| 05:50.10 | ethics | sobersabre, so is modprobe -k nvidia going to load nvidia driver? |
| 05:50.13 | ke6isf | OptionButtons"5" |
| 05:50.20 | sobersabre | ok |
| 05:50.30 | stew | shouldn't ZAxisMapping and Buttons be in quotes? |
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| 05:50.38 | sobersabre | are you sure this is the only mouse you have in the config file ? |
| 05:50.41 | sobersabre | and yes. |
| 05:50.43 | stew | Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 05:50.48 | sobersabre | rite |
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| 05:51.00 | ke6isf | That's probably the problem then. Also, before I reload again, is it so pedantic to require tabs as delimiters, or will spaces do? |
| 05:51.08 | stew | ke6isf: spaces will do |
| 05:51.14 | sobersabre | ke6isf, you can also analyze /var/log/XFree86.X.log |
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| 05:51.41 | sobersabre | apparently it did spill something in the logs. |
| 05:51.48 | chealer | !tell cat-dog about kde3.4 |
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| 05:53.04 | ethics | sobersabre, so how do i make initrd writeable? |
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| 05:53.43 | sobersabre | ethics, you don't. copy it all into some dir ( maybe into /initrd ) |
| 05:53.57 | zulkifar | Hi. I have a bash script which executes a command using `-quotes and I need to insert a parameter in that command. How to do that? What I mean exactly: echo `ip addr | grep inet.*${PPPIF}` .Here PPPIF is a parameter but this syntax is incorrect. |
| 05:54.00 | sobersabre | fix it and then mkcramfs etc. |
| 05:54.07 | ke6isf | *still* no scroll. *looks at log...* |
| 05:54.17 | ethics | sobersabre, sounds like its not meant to be played with hehe |
| 05:54.36 | sobersabre | ethics, not all the time initrd used cramfs/ |
| 05:54.44 | sobersabre | and not all the time there are such deps. |
| 05:54.53 | sobersabre | i think you need to add something to your kernel. |
| 05:55.10 | sobersabre | because it is strange you get into such mess even with sata |
| 05:55.29 | sobersabre | the module that should be loaded 1st can be in the kernel |
| 05:55.33 | ke6isf | Feh, I'll tool around with it later. |
| 05:56.02 | sobersabre | ke6isf, if your buttons work - you probably edited wrong input device. |
| 05:56.28 | sobersabre | sometimes config has 2 files - one for /dev/input/mice and one for /dev/psaux |
| 05:56.37 | sobersabre | and uses only 1 of them. |
| 05:57.28 | stew | zulkifar: that syntax works for me |
| 05:57.46 | ethics | sobersabre, ok made my changes, copied my old initrd away for safety........now to mkinitrd |
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| 05:58.08 | stew | ethics: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:58.35 | ethics | stew: get piix loaded before ata-piix |
| 05:58.52 | stew | ethics: and ata-piix is the one you need to load your rootfs? |
| 05:58.59 | sobersabre | yep |
| 05:59.01 | ethics | stew: yeah |
| 05:59.12 | stew | and piix is in the initrd? |
| 05:59.35 | ethics | stew in kernel it comes up as scsi.....as initrd it loads too late and spits |
| 05:59.52 | sobersabre | stew, any ideas how to _properly_ force that order ? ( i suggested to edit loadmodules in initrd ) |
| 06:00.01 | ethics | stew need ide to actuially use ide-cd etc not scsi-generic |
| 06:00.14 | stew | ethics: you cannot possibly load piix as a module before ata-piix |
| 06:00.23 | stew | ethics: since you need ata-piix to get to the initrd |
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| 06:00.45 | sobersabre | :) this is evil |
| 06:01.06 | ethics | stew: umm ata-piix is a module too..... |
| 06:01.40 | sobersabre | recompile with ata-piix in the kernel, i guess... |
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| 06:02.17 | ethics | sobersabre, doesnt work i need it loaded after |
| 06:02.19 | jm_ | zulkifar: it's not incorrect |
| 06:02.25 | stew | ethics: you can force ide-cd with a kernel parameter iirc |
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| 06:02.41 | zulkifar | stew: oops, yes, my fault - mistake was in another place :) |
| 06:02.41 | zulkifar | stew: thanks |
| 06:03.01 | zulkifar | jm_: yes |
| 06:03.03 | ethics | stew: ooh ooh where ive been googling for 6 hours trying to find a fix.. |
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| 06:04.03 | Rocker | does anyone knows if exist one friendly setup to add printer remote in debian 3.1 ? |
| 06:04.09 | stew | ethics: read kenrel-parameters.txt and or ide.txt in ther kernel documentation |
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| 06:04.38 | ethics | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/02/msg00383.html |
| 06:05.00 | ethics | its only been a bug for 4 months before sarge i |
| 06:05.06 | ethics | stupid thing |
| 06:06.25 | Rocker | ethics, do you know name one utility to add printer ? |
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| 06:06.32 | Rocker | I dont remember command |
| 06:06.52 | Rocker | graphical interface |
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| 06:09.07 | ethics | stew ill have to hehe |
| 06:10.10 | ethics | rocker: theres like 4 ways + to print from linux....cups, lpd, bsd, ftp and others so it depends.....most use cups i think...gnome and kde have proggies in control centre for it i think |
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| 06:11.02 | exobyte | I'm trying to build something that requires tcpd.h, but it isn't on my system. What do I need to install to get it? |
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| 06:11.38 | Guerin | !tell exobyte about search |
| 06:12.29 | sep | exobyte: are you too lazy to /msg dpkg find tcpd.h also ? |
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| 06:12.54 | exobyte | sep: uhh.. I did apt-cache search tcpd, but all of the stuff was installed |
| 06:13.09 | sep | exobyte: apt-file if you want to search for files inside a package |
| 06:13.16 | Guerin | exobyte: you lazy fucker |
| 06:13.21 | jm_ | maybe someday you'll learn that apt-cache doesn't search for filke |
| 06:13.26 | jm_ | files |
| 06:13.26 | sep | or just web to packages.debian.org |
| 06:13.48 | exobyte | Guerin: so |
| 06:14.04 | exobyte | sep: thx. didn't know about apt-file |
| 06:14.18 | sep | exobyte: but /msg dpkg find is quicker tho. |
| 06:14.45 | Guerin | exobyte: get a job so you can pay us to do your searchies for you |
| 06:14.49 | Guerin | jeeze |
| 06:15.04 | sep | exobyte: yes you did, dpkg told you about it when <Guerin> !tell exobyte about search |
| 06:15.07 | exobyte | Guerin: my jackass parents say the same thing about a job |
| 06:15.16 | Guerin | exobyte: heh |
| 06:15.33 | Guerin | exobyte: i think you'll find it's YOU who's the jackass |
| 06:15.50 | xerophyte | what is the good bittorrent client for linux |
| 06:15.55 | sep | Guerin: no wonder you get to irc a lot, i seriouslt should consider not ircing from work, i never get anything done :P |
| 06:16.03 | Guerin | xerophyte: bittornado |
| 06:16.21 | jm_ | xerophyte: rtorrent |
| 06:16.29 | Guerin | sep: i only irc in time when I don't have anything better to do. This should telll you a lot about my job. |
| 06:16.30 | sep | xerophyte: mldonkey |
| 06:16.36 | exobyte | Guerin: maybe.. |
| 06:16.40 | sep | Guerin: hehe what do you do ? |
| 06:16.48 | exobyte | Guerin: maybe I'm getting sick of computers |
| 06:16.52 | Guerin | sep: i'm an english teacher at public skools in korea |
| 06:17.18 | exobyte | Guerin: and get out and meet some guys and girls |
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| 06:17.49 | Guerin | exobyte: i strongly advise you to go meet some people who aren't pixellated when you view them at actual size |
| 06:18.00 | werdnaxoc | if I manually configure a kernel can I save it as a new one and t ry to boot up off of grub with that? |
| 06:18.05 | exobyte | Guerin: lol |
| 06:18.06 | ethics | is there a BTS system for kernel.org online? |
| 06:18.06 | Guerin | sep: what did you think I did? |
| 06:18.14 | Guerin | ethics: lkml |
| 06:18.16 | pipeline | Guerin, exobyte : I second that recommendation. Some sites stock images at life-size resolutions. |
| 06:18.23 | Guerin | pipeline: hah |
| 06:18.29 | sep | werdnaxoc: if you make your custom kernel the debian way, it will handle grub automagicaly for you |
| 06:18.31 | jm_ | werdnaxoc: can you what? |
| 06:18.33 | exobyte | Guerin: so 1200 dpi |
| 06:18.35 | Guerin | pipeline: he'd need a job to afford them, though. |
| 06:18.52 | sep | werdnaxoc: and ofcouse you can boot it, (unless you do something wrong that is) |
| 06:19.06 | exobyte | pipeline: bah |
| 06:19.22 | Guerin | anyway, offtopic, but this is hella funny: http://thorntree.lonelyplanet.com/messagepost.cfm?postaction=reply&catid=31&threadid=809753&messid=6884542 |
| 06:19.31 | ethics | guerin: ill ad to that but http://bugzilla.kernel.org also now hehe |
| 06:19.32 | exobyte | I haven't read slashdot for over a week |
| 06:19.42 | exobyte | or looked at porn for 3 months |
| 06:19.49 | exobyte | I use windows |
| 06:20.49 | werdnaxoc | so where do I copy the bzImage ; /boot ? and also System.map to /boot as well? |
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| 06:21.18 | jm_ | you can copy it to wherever you want, but /boot is used in 99.999% of cases |
| 06:21.33 | caphuso | just run "make install" |
| 06:21.34 | exobyte | werdnaxoc: yup- jm_ is right |
| 06:21.41 | caphuso | it DTRT |
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| 06:21.46 | exobyte | caphuso: no!!! not the debian way!! |
| 06:22.27 | werdnaxoc | whoa now my kernel does not have /dev under filesystems |
| 06:22.34 | caphuso | exobyte: well, it uses the installkernel script written by ian murdock... |
| 06:22.37 | werdnaxoc | I want to enable devfs |
| 06:22.43 | caphuso | no, you don't |
| 06:23.25 | exobyte | caphuso: I'm pissed at the purdue cs dept. I didn't need to be reminded of an alumnus |
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| 06:26.27 | caphuso | The following is a list of files and features that are going to be removed in the kernel source tree. <snip> What: devfs When: July 2005 |
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| 06:26.50 | werdnaxoc | yes I am using a kernel 2.4.27 |
| 06:26.52 | caphuso | i wonder if they're really going to do it |
| 06:26.53 | sep | Guerin: i guess i think all the 772 people in here are working in the IT industry |
| 06:26.59 | sep | <-- stupid i know |
| 06:27.01 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:27.08 | slackd00d | 771 |
| 06:27.29 | sep | ~ |
| 06:27.30 | exobyte | Guerin: no!! it industry == real_world |
| 06:27.31 | Guerin | why ELSE would anyone use something like debian? |
| 06:27.43 | Guerin | exobyte: keep telling yourself that, buddy. |
| 06:27.52 | jm_ | caphuso: GKH posted ndvevfs patch, so it looks like they will remove it |
| 06:27.58 | jm_ | ndevfs |
| 06:28.03 | caphuso | jm_: cool |
| 06:28.03 | Guerin | i might eventually be working in the IT industry |
| 06:28.08 | slackd00d | what do you mean? why would only it pople use debian? |
| 06:28.12 | sep | Guerin: more like administer it to the degree of needing/giving support in #debian |
| 06:28.13 | Guerin | depends what happens when I get to .uk |
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| 06:28.56 | dimmer | greetings everyone |
| 06:29.22 | sep | 772 ! ha |
| 06:29.24 | dimmer | I'm using BitchX to try to download via DCC and it doesn't work when I try too download from anyone other than myself |
| 06:29.32 | exobyte | Guerin: nope- I'm jumping ship- dunno where- but I'm sick of it |
| 06:29.37 | Guerin | dimmer: #bitchx |
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| 06:30.09 | dimmer | I get the error: -:- DCC Unable to create connection: Interrupted system call |
| 06:30.12 | Guerin | the only reason I'd go into IT is for the money |
| 06:30.23 | Guerin | dimmer: we don't care. ask in #bitchx |
| 06:30.31 | sep | Guerin: i left the military, and went into it, droped a looot of cash there |
| 06:30.33 | dimmer | Guerin: reason I'm here is because BitchX worked fine in redhat |
| 06:30.44 | dimmer | Guerin: if you'd let me finish, plz |
| 06:30.48 | exobyte | yet another nerd joke: http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a401/a401.gif |
| 06:30.50 | werdnaxoc | I thought devfs was released with 2.4.x kernels |
| 06:31.00 | jim | dimmer: so find out why it did thaqt |
| 06:31.01 | Guerin | dimmer: what specifically makes you think this is a debian issue? 'It worked in red hat' isn't a reason. |
| 06:31.24 | caphuso | werdnaxoc: not actually released... marked as "experimental" for beta testers to, uhm, beta test |
| 06:31.45 | werdnaxoc | yes I found it on my kernel last night |
| 06:31.48 | werdnaxoc | and now it is not there |
| 06:31.50 | werdnaxoc | :/ |
| 06:31.52 | dimmer | well, I don't know what's causing it...but I can DCC fine from my redhat machine, and from my windows machine behind the same router |
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| 06:32.14 | dimmer | I just installed debian, so no firewall is configured |
| 06:32.27 | Guerin | dimmer: isolate differences and work from there. |
| 06:32.35 | jim | dimmer: good info includes ldd bitchx on both sides, find all differences, find differences between bitchx versions and kernel versions, look at each difference one by one, determine which is/are the cause |
| 06:32.41 | jm_ | dimmer: strace might help you figure out what goes wrong |
| 06:33.05 | caphuso | that's going to be a colorful strace output. literally... |
| 06:33.10 | dimmer | I have tried using the same exact binary that my redhat system uses - no dice |
| 06:33.12 | Guerin | heh |
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| 06:33.32 | dimmer | jm_: I'll look into strace thx |
| 06:33.39 | jim | dimmer: have you checked all versions like I suggested? |
| 06:33.46 | jm_ | he can strace it just before issuing dcc command - it's not like irssi looks less like christmass tree |
| 06:33.52 | sep | dimmer: probably that debian's package of bitchx and redhat's package have sligthly varying dfaut configs, run a diff on the configs, or just ask #bitchx. firewall/rouer issues on dcc is very commonplace for all kinds or irc clients |
| 06:33.58 | jm_ | can't type today |
| 06:33.59 | gandalf | Hi guys. I've just upgraded to sarge which btw is far better than woody. Now i use sshd on my box and lookinginto security more. Is removing portmapper worth while. Aslo installing tripwire and port sentry. Also is using IPtables scripts an idea if you have a router firewall? |
| 06:34.00 | werdnaxoc | how do you find out if you have devfs already installed on your system? |
| 06:34.15 | sep | gandalf: no woody is a lot better then sarge ! |
| 06:34.17 | sep | duuh! |
| 06:34.23 | sep | :) |
| 06:34.42 | jim | gandalf: find out what you use that uses portmapper |
| 06:35.03 | dimmer | I have also used the same exact config file from the redhat machine with no luck |
| 06:35.26 | jim | dimmer: have you checked all versions like I suggested? |
| 06:35.58 | dimmer | jim: do you mean all versions of BitchX? I have tried 2 different versions of BitchX. Current debian package, and the binary I used on redhat. |
| 06:36.09 | dimmer | jim: I have also tried irsii |
| 06:36.21 | werdnaxoc | kernel 2.6 uses a devfs ? |
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| 06:36.36 | jim | dimmer: so it also happens in irssi? |
| 06:36.37 | jm_ | no, devfs is broken in 2.6 |
| 06:36.47 | dimmer | jim: yes |
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| 06:37.05 | jim | then obviously something that doesn't have to do with irc is going on |
| 06:37.07 | dimmer | jim: not sure what error message was (if any) but I can check |
| 06:37.54 | jim | compare the network setups between the redhat and the debian |
| 06:38.06 | jim | what are you using that is different |
| 06:38.23 | jim | determine ALL differences in that area |
| 06:39.23 | gandalf | Well rpcinfo -p localhost shows portmapper on port 111 |
| 06:39.23 | jim | compare kernel versions |
| 06:39.37 | werdnaxoc | how do you rename a dir like 'kernel-sourcexxxx' to linux ? |
| 06:39.38 | Guerin | jim: he hasn't been given ANY of this advice yet. |
| 06:39.46 | dimmer | jim: alright...I know they are both the same static ip behind the router (debian system replaced the redhat system)- same gateway, same netmask, same router.. |
| 06:39.49 | Guerin | werdnaxoc: use a symlink |
| 06:40.07 | ethics | ok bugreport given to kernel.org, guess im back to 2.4 kernels on this shitty box |
| 06:40.24 | jim | werdnaxoc: symlink is probably a better idea, but if you really want to rename, man mv |
| 06:40.37 | jim | for symlink, man ln |
| 06:40.39 | dimmer | jim: redhat was 2.4.something..wish I could be more specific..this is 2.6.11-1-686-smp |
| 06:41.17 | jim | dimmer: can you still boot into the redhat? |
| 06:41.28 | dimmer | jim: no, computer is dismantled |
| 06:41.31 | ethics | you do realise that symlinks were a bad idea over 4 years ago.....i still use them too tho hehe |
| 06:41.47 | hikenboot | using nano is there any way to jump to a certain line number? |
| 06:42.05 | jim | ethics: certain ones are, others not |
| 06:42.26 | dimmer | jim: but I do have /etc, /home, /usr, /var from the redhat system |
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| 06:42.42 | ethics | hiken ctrlw read the mu options change |
| 06:42.58 | hikenboot | thanks ethics |
| 06:43.01 | karsten | jim: Do you do contract admin around here? |
| 06:43.17 | jim | did in the past |
| 06:43.22 | jim | for a school |
| 06:43.29 | karsten | jim: Any ballpark on rates? Commercial gig. |
| 06:43.50 | ethics | jim: linux pointing to source is a bad one according to linux....as i say i still use it but linux put it in release notes etc 4 years + ago not to use them they cause issues |
| 06:43.54 | gandalf | btw jim is tripwire and port sentry worth installing in your opinion? |
| 06:44.22 | jm_ | no, that was for /usr/include/linux |
| 06:44.24 | michal_ | is sarge missing the userdb auth module in courier-authdaemon ? |
| 06:45.00 | ethics | jm_, was it? is that the double symlink issue that everyone talks about? |
| 06:45.23 | jim | karsten: not really... the school was paying me about $13/hour at the time |
| 06:45.34 | karsten | jim: Ouch. |
| 06:45.59 | jm_ | ethics: double? I have no idea, but about the kernel - it doesn't really matter what you name the dir, but some old (or broken) third party projects will need /usr/src/linux |
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| 06:46.32 | jim | is this you bidding for a gig for yourself? |
| 06:46.39 | ethics | jm_ yeah thats why i used to make it...now it's just habbit |
| 06:46.53 | karsten | jim: Through a broker. |
| 06:47.36 | jim | ethics: the symlink I'm referring to is /usr/include/linux -> (kernel source)/include/linux or something like that |
| 06:48.03 | werdnaxoc | I got devfsd installed, how do I configure /devfs in the kernel? |
| 06:48.08 | jim | that one should or shouldb't be there depending on whether you want to do libc programming or not |
| 06:48.38 | jm_ | it shouldn't be there in either case |
| 06:48.42 | caphuso | jim: that symlink shouldn't be there under any circumstances |
| 06:48.51 | jim | not according to Linus |
| 06:49.33 | werdnaxoc | I see this /fs/devfs in the kernel tree but under menuconfig it does not show up |
| 06:49.42 | jm_ | yes it does |
| 06:49.49 | jim | rather than doing what you're doing (making a blanket statement), he went over the issues |
| 06:50.26 | caphuso | jim: yeah, nearly 10 years ago |
| 06:50.37 | dimmer | strace result: connect(6, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(4002), sin_addr=inet_addr("211.196.250.137")}, 28) = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted) |
| 06:50.37 | dimmer | --- SIGALRM (Alarm clock) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 06:50.37 | dimmer | sigreturn() = ? (mask now []) |
| 06:50.37 | dimmer | ) = 15 |
| 06:50.37 | dimmer | -:- DCC Unable to create connection: Interrupted system call |
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| 06:50.58 | nvz | before LSB, FHS, and all them other standards existed.. heh |
| 06:51.05 | jim | dimmer: so it timed out |
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| 06:51.32 | jim | a standard that says where things should be does not enter into this |
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| 06:51.37 | dimmer | jim: so it further seems like a network problem |
| 06:51.48 | jim | dimmer: yes |
| 06:52.01 | dimmer | jim: I just can't imagine what is different between the two that would effect this |
| 06:52.25 | dimmer | jim: well I guess I will keep mucking around with it, thanks for your help |
| 06:52.31 | werdnaxoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.31 | jim | dimmer: what is different could be a -very- large body of material |
| 06:52.45 | dimmer | jim: too large ;-) |
| 06:52.46 | caphuso | werdnaxoc: so enable experimental features and be done with it |
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| 06:53.26 | jim | dimmer: btw, you haven't said anything about how your network is connected, nor how it was connected |
| 06:53.31 | caphuso | "prompt for development features" or whatever it's called |
| 06:53.33 | dimmer | jim: but the network setup whould be almost the same...and exactly the same in the "important things" - ip, netmask, router, |
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| 06:53.49 | dimmer | jim: connected via a router over a dsl connection |
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| 06:54.03 | jim | describe the router |
| 06:54.10 | werdnaxoc | how do you add those caphuso ? |
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| 06:54.23 | gandalf | I could do with some sound advice. I've been using deb for about a year now but still pretty green. Now i want to read up on securing my box and thus continue my learning curve. And advice on where to get reading docs etc? |
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| 06:54.42 | dimmer | jim: standard eth0...router is a netgear rp614 |
| 06:54.47 | cat | gandalf: www.debian.org/doc |
| 06:54.48 | jm_ | gandalf: start with harden-doc |
| 06:54.58 | caphuso | werdnaxoc: by hitting 'y' on the appropriate entry |
| 06:55.00 | jim | dimmer: that part did not change? |
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| 06:55.15 | jm_ | gandalf: there are also documents about it on www.debian.org |
| 06:55.16 | dimmer | jim: no, the router is the same for all systems |
| 06:55.47 | gandalf | btw jim, rpc -p localhost shows portmapper on port 111. Any reason i shouldn't switch off portmapper? |
| 06:55.48 | jim | so presumably we've narrowed it down to the machine that had redhat |
| 06:55.48 | dimmer | jim: I tried setting the debian system as dmz to test it, still didn't work. Neither did port-forwarding, and I set BitchX to use a specific port for DCC |
| 06:56.00 | WorkerII | Unstable, WindowMaker, GNUstep: Terminal and TimeMon doesn't seem to work .. they seem to complain about a font or something .. but I cannot find out if I need to install something? |
| 06:56.07 | werdnaxoc | caphuso, I do under filesystems and it does not appear |
| 06:56.11 | werdnaxoc | nothing experimental does |
| 06:56.11 | dimmer | jim: yes, and dcc also works on my windows xp machine behind the same router |
| 06:56.13 | jim | gandalf: do you use anything that uses portmapper? |
| 06:56.21 | caphuso | werdnaxoc: not under filesystems. it has it's own category |
| 06:56.24 | gandalf | How can i check jim? |
| 06:56.44 | caphuso | putting an option that affects the whole kernel under filesystems would be stupid |
| 06:56.56 | gandalf | I only run apache and sshd. |
| 06:57.27 | WorkerII | caphuso : Hehe. |
| 06:57.28 | behrouz | hi, is it possible to use multiple commands in a bash file |
| 06:57.29 | jim | gandalf: by reading and researching and getting a list of things that need portmapper, then see if you use any of those |
| 06:58.06 | gandalf | Okay jim. I better go read up and get an education :-) |
| 06:58.07 | jm_ | behrouz: read ABS |
| 06:58.11 | gandalf | Cheers m8. |
| 06:58.19 | jim | behrouz: yeah |
| 06:58.39 | WorkerII | gandalf : You're a GNUstep wizard, RIGHT? |
| 06:58.45 | behrouz | jim: do i just put one command and then on the next line put the nxt command? |
| 06:59.08 | gandalf | No WorkerII. |
| 06:59.09 | jim | behrouz: sure |
| 06:59.15 | gandalf | Sorry. |
| 06:59.45 | WorkerII | Here is my error: |
| 06:59.47 | WorkerII | /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Applications/TimeMon.app/TimeMon: relocation error: /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Library/Bundles/libgnustep-back.bundle/./libgnustep-back: undefined symbol: FTC_Manager_Lookup_Size |
| 07:00.27 | jim | gandalf: try askjeeves.com "what uses portmapper" |
| 07:00.33 | WorkerII | Before that, it complains about font! |
| 07:00.37 | WorkerII | 2005-06-29 08:59:57.000 Terminal[12896] The font specified for NSFont, Helvetica, can't be found. |
| 07:00.50 | gandalf | Okay jim, i know nfs does atm. |
| 07:00.53 | WorkerII | Does anyone have more clue than me? |
| 07:01.15 | jim | gandalf: do you use nfs? :) |
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| 07:02.54 | gandalf | Jim, no :-) |
| 07:03.21 | cat | if i'm using sarge, is there any way to update it to woody? |
| 07:03.33 | jim | gandalf: another approach,,, what if you just turn it off and see if your system or part of it fails |
| 07:03.46 | mdh | cat: sorry, debian doesn't support downgrades |
| 07:03.57 | cat | oh ic, |
| 07:03.59 | _root_ | can anybody helpme to uresolve this error....Caught signal 11. Server aborting |
| 07:04.00 | WorkerII | !sid faq |
| 07:04.00 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 07:04.05 | jim | cat: that would be a downgrade, and debian developers won't support downgrades... too much work |
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| 07:04.08 | mdh | cat: ther'es something to do with binary incompatibilities and apt |
| 07:04.32 | cat | mdh: huh? |
| 07:04.35 | werdnaxoc | Application initialization failed: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable |
| 07:04.45 | werdnaxoc | happed when I did make xconfig |
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| 07:04.50 | mdh | cat: as to why downgrades are not supported |
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| 07:05.05 | gandalf | ~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~ |
| 07:05.10 | cat | oh ic, |
| 07:05.16 | cat | so what do i have to do to have woody? |
| 07:05.22 | directhex | install woody |
| 07:05.29 | directhex | though i have _NO_ idea why you'd want it |
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| 07:05.30 | cat | how i only have the sarge, |
| 07:05.37 | jim | gandalf: if something does fail, try to boil it down to things that directly use portmapper, look in the logs if things aren't obvious |
| 07:05.41 | cat | why not woody =) |
| 07:05.47 | cat | i started it with woody |
| 07:05.47 | jim | woody is older |
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| 07:06.05 | mdh | cat: are you sure you don't want to go the oter way... from woody TO sarge |
| 07:06.15 | directhex | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/old/debian-cd/images/3.0_r5/ |
| 07:06.24 | jim | well if you really want woody, you could reinstall... but give the ol sarge a chance |
| 07:06.44 | cat | i'm using sarge =) |
| 07:06.58 | cat | testing is sarge unstable is sid and stable is woody |
| 07:07.06 | jim | cat: so give it a chance before you just overwriting |
| 07:07.07 | directhex | um, wrong |
| 07:07.11 | directhex | woody is not stable |
| 07:07.11 | jim | not any mroe |
| 07:07.14 | directhex | woody is antique |
| 07:07.16 | directhex | sarge is stable |
| 07:07.22 | cat | oh is it? |
| 07:07.22 | jim | woody is not the latest stable |
| 07:07.23 | directhex | etch is testing, sid is unstable |
| 07:07.28 | jim | sarge is latest stable |
| 07:07.30 | gandalf | Whats the cmd to show what version of debs installed? |
| 07:07.33 | jim | sid never changes |
| 07:07.36 | cat | oh nice, ( |
| 07:07.45 | cat | always learn something new |
| 07:09.52 | nvz | gandalf: dpkg -l, or cat /etc/debian_version, depending on what you mean |
| 07:10.11 | jim | cat: if you have "stable" in your sources.list, presumably it upgraded you without you knowing it was going to |
| 07:10.24 | cat | i have testing |
| 07:10.41 | jim | you try upgrading... holy shit! I have to get 600mb of packages now! |
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| 07:11.15 | pastyhermit | how do I fix my apt, I run dpkg --configure -a and it hangs |
| 07:11.21 | pastyhermit | this machine doesnt have hardware problems |
| 07:11.44 | jim | pastyhermit: what does it try to set up? |
| 07:12.07 | werdnaxoc | Why does experimental show up under menu config? |
| 07:12.10 | jim | cat: then you're not running sarge |
| 07:12.14 | werdnaxoc | make menuconfig |
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| 07:12.23 | cat | Reading package lists... Done |
| 07:12.24 | cat | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 07:12.25 | pastyhermit | oh hehe |
| 07:12.27 | cat | any ideas? |
| 07:12.28 | pastyhermit | well.... |
| 07:12.29 | cat | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 07:12.33 | mdh | cat: don't use names like "stable" "testing" etc.. in your /etc/apt/sources.list. use the release names (sarge, etch, etc) |
| 07:12.36 | pastyhermit | jim: bug-buddy I Think |
| 07:12.42 | pastyhermit | If I run it again its gonna lock :D |
| 07:12.50 | jim | pastyhermit: try removing it |
| 07:13.01 | pastyhermit | apt-get uinstall? |
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| 07:13.20 | jim | something like that... check man page for details |
| 07:13.25 | pastyhermit | jim: k thanx |
| 07:13.36 | jim | I'd do a full purge, then try the configure |
| 07:13.59 | jim | you're runnign stable? |
| 07:14.34 | pusling | any one have experience with using new xorg packages by david nusinow ? Someone told me that I need a program called xcompmgr to get to use all the new cool xorgstuff, but I can't find it ... |
| 07:15.01 | jim | xorg isn't supported here yet because it isn't in debian proper yet |
| 07:15.06 | werdnaxoc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:15.32 | caphuso | werdnaxoc: that means you shouldn't be configuring your own kernels. stop doing it |
| 07:16.02 | liable | werdnaxoc: why are you using/compiling a 2.4 kernel anyway? |
| 07:16.04 | mdh | did apt 0.6 go into etch? |
| 07:16.11 | mdh | I know it went into sid today... |
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| 07:16.31 | caphuso | mdh: then how could it possibly go into etch? |
| 07:16.32 | mdh | cat's error looks like what you get from it when you haven't run apt-keys |
| 07:16.48 | jmd | Anyone know how I can turn on the stupid FLock key on boot up ? |
| 07:16.53 | caphuso | it's a two days delay even in a best case scenario |
| 07:17.05 | mdh | caphuso: my sid mirror could be out of date ... this was the first update since monday :/ |
| 07:17.11 | werdnaxoc | wow |
| 07:17.14 | werdnaxoc | I figured it out |
| 07:17.15 | pusling | jim: but some of us have to try early packages ;) |
| 07:17.35 | werdnaxoc | I have to enable the Code Maturity then I can select it :) |
| 07:17.48 | caphuso | werdnaxoc: _you_ figured it out? |
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| 07:19.31 | mdh | » ircname : werdnaxoc |
| 07:19.31 | mdh | » channels : #gentoo #debian |
| 07:20.25 | werdnaxoc | yes, I have basic linux questions |
| 07:20.49 | werdnaxoc | you know like questions with the kernel :P |
| 07:20.52 | werdnaxoc | ^_^ |
| 07:21.13 | mdh | gentoo is one of our favourite distros ;) |
| 07:21.33 | werdnaxoc | good think I am using debain :) |
| 07:21.47 | werdnaxoc | Demundi here, www.agnula.org |
| 07:22.43 | zeeble | haha |
| 07:23.41 | nvz | werdnaxoc: demudi isnt debian |
| 07:23.50 | werdnaxoc | Vanity!!!! |
| 07:23.58 | werdnaxoc | All is Vanity!!! |
| 07:24.42 | mdh | werdnaxoc: a lot of pedants hang out here ;) |
| 07:24.52 | jmd | Anyone know how I can turn on the FLock key in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 07:25.11 | zeeble | Flock key? |
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| 07:25.23 | theod | helo |
| 07:25.24 | mdh | function lock, like some laptops have |
| 07:25.26 | xcyborg | is there a policy to not start a service in the post script ? (but to let the admin to configure it first and then start it manually) |
| 07:25.33 | werdnaxoc | mdh, yes I share my solutions as well |
| 07:25.42 | theod | is there a way to make cvs diff -r sometag to include binaries files ? |
| 07:25.44 | werdnaxoc | my books of learning is linux |
| 07:25.55 | dondelelcaro | xcyborg: it can be done. Read about invoke-rc.d |
| 07:26.20 | werdnaxoc | hahaha j/k I don't even have 40+ hours in college yet |
| 07:26.35 | xcyborg | dondelelcaro: I know about invoke-rc.d, what I was wondering if there a policy _to not_ start a service automatically upon installation |
| 07:26.51 | xcyborg | dondelelcaro: or if not a policy, maybe a recommandation or something |
| 07:26.56 | jim | pusling: and sure, you can do that... but if you find -problems-, you're gonna have to either figure them out yourself or collect information and talk to the package maint |
| 07:26.58 | dondelelcaro | xcyborg: no, there isn't such a policy. The way you do that is using invoke-rc.d |
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| 07:27.11 | mdh | jmd: with extra keys like that its usually a matter of setting up your keymap to know about them. it usually has to be done for both the console and X11 separately |
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| 07:27.24 | werdnaxoc | I am building a new kernel, how do I rename it from the last one I used? |
| 07:27.40 | dondelelcaro | xcyborg: if you don't want services to start, you write your own /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d that does that. |
| 07:27.59 | dondelelcaro | xcyborg: man invoke-rc.d; explains it. |
| 07:28.16 | mdh | werdnaxoc: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 07:28.20 | jim | werdnaxoc: man make-kpkg, there is an --append-to-version-string parameter |
| 07:28.29 | mdh | werdnaxoc: read its doco. use it to build kernels. |
| 07:28.51 | jim | or something like that |
| 07:28.52 | pusling | jim: i do not have problems. But I have no changes in anything ;) |
| 07:28.58 | xcyborg | dondelelcaro: thanx, I'm reading now, it seems that I missed that |
| 07:29.07 | tarzeau | what do i need if i get: if_ogl.c:2515: error: `GLX_USE_GL' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 07:29.43 | jim | pusling: well good... but just remember it's hard to support things you don't know about |
| 07:29.49 | xcyborg | dondelelcaro: thanx, I'm reading now, it seems that I missed that |
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| 07:30.07 | mdh | jmd: for the console youo'll want to man loadkeys, for X11 you'll want to man xmodmap |
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| 07:31.52 | jmd | mdh: Thanks. There's no existing script for this? or do I need to use rc.local ? |
| 07:31.59 | tarzeau | how to link against LIBGL ? -lGL ? |
| 07:32.12 | werdnaxoc | hehehe |
| 07:32.13 | werdnaxoc | make config |
| 07:32.14 | werdnaxoc | :) |
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| 07:33.02 | mdh | jmd: you can drop something in /etc/rc.boot/ |
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| 07:33.41 | jmd | mdh OK. Thanks. |
| 07:33.59 | caphuso | /etc/rc.boot is deprecated, don't use |
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| 07:35.00 | mdh | jmd: if you have console-tools installed, there's stuff in /etc/console-tools/ (and there's a startup script in /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh |
| 07:35.28 | mdh | caphuso: what's the alternative? |
| 07:36.04 | caphuso | mdh: /etc/rc?.d |
| 07:36.13 | mdh | yuck |
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| 07:37.12 | caphuso | i'm not sure if recently installed debian systems still set up /etc/rc.boot |
| 07:37.36 | werdnaxoc | if kernels were modular and could roam the internet, and use internet modules, what would that be called? |
| 07:37.36 | jmd | My system doesn't have a /etc/rc.boot |
| 07:37.46 | jim | or worse, invoke them at boot... |
| 07:37.49 | tabris|away | werdnaxoc: a worm. |
| 07:37.53 | nvz | jmd: good, its not suppose to |
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| 07:38.32 | werdnaxoc | hmmm, who creates these worms? |
| 07:38.37 | jim | werdnaxoc: an expensive cell phone call? |
| 07:39.12 | werdnaxoc | hmmm |
| 07:39.26 | jim | werdnaxoc: these days, spammers who need mail relays |
| 07:39.56 | werdnaxoc | wonder what the purpose the mail relays server as, other than just spamming mail. |
| 07:40.46 | eeg3 | relaying mail |
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| 07:41.13 | ^ZeRoCoL^ | debian-br-cdd |
| 07:41.14 | zl2tod | not to mention business and government intelligence services attempting to infiltrate corporations and governments |
| 07:41.16 | werdnaxoc | is there a place to read about worms? |
| 07:41.16 | xydarcher | how to delete the files with the same ext.? 'find ./ -name *.class | rm' can't work |
| 07:41.28 | jm_ | xydarcher: man xargs |
| 07:41.30 | jim | werdnaxoc: why, you want to write them? |
| 07:42.02 | werdnaxoc | I want to figure out how they work |
| 07:42.16 | fugitboy | hey I am reading about bind. In bind 9 named.config you can make an options {directory "/var/named"}; setting? |
| 07:42.20 | werdnaxoc | and yes write one |
| 07:42.26 | jim | werdnaxoc: the relays used by the spammers serve no other purpose |
| 07:42.43 | zl2tod | xydarcher, -delete |
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| 07:42.55 | manu | How do i know that kernel module raid is using i can see there are two at the moment megaraid.o and megaraid2.o |
| 07:42.57 | werdnaxoc | jim, who pays for the server? |
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| 07:43.08 | fugitboy | fugiboy: Yes I suppose you can |
| 07:43.13 | jim | well... since I don't want your worm in my machine, I'm going to start failing to listen to you |
| 07:43.31 | werdnaxoc | oh I just want to learn :) |
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| 07:43.58 | fugitboy | "Learn" Thats dangerous |
| 07:44.06 | xydarcher | zl2tod, rm -delete? |
| 07:44.07 | caphuso | i doubt that any worm werdnaxoc writes could manage to infect anything besides localhost. and probablu even that only by accident... |
| 07:44.13 | xydarcher | jm_, thx |
| 07:44.14 | zl2tod | xydarcher, find |
| 07:44.29 | jim | if you see it as a "neat shape" know there are other neat shapes to learn about |
| 07:44.30 | werdnaxoc | http://www.digitalhermit.com/index.html <--- Learning |
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| 07:44.51 | fugitboy | hey I am reading about bind. In bind 9 named.config you can make an options {directory "/var/named"}; setting? |
| 07:44.56 | werdnaxoc | caphuso, that would be sweet huh? |
| 07:45.06 | werdnaxoc | create a worm that can help manage my system |
| 07:45.07 | werdnaxoc | LOL |
| 07:45.07 | riot | i just made someone "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" :))))) |
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| 07:45.31 | caphuso | riot: we do that all the time |
| 07:45.47 | werdnaxoc | caphuso, do you work in audio programming? |
| 07:45.48 | riot | caphuso: it is the voice of the goddess, you know? :) |
| 07:45.55 | caphuso | werdnaxoc: no |
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| 07:46.31 | rmrfchik | what to uncomment in inetd.conf to allow rdate? |
| 07:46.42 | matchsticker | xydarcher: find ./ -name *.class -exec rm '{}' ';' |
| 07:47.15 | caphuso | matchsticker: \*.class |
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| 07:48.07 | nvz | pfft, xbox froze up on me.. go figure |
| 07:48.29 | matchsticker | caphuso: :-) |
| 07:48.36 | nvz | oh well I needed to stop playing it anyhow |
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| 07:48.54 | werdnaxoc | what are embedded kernels? |
| 07:49.12 | caphuso | werdnaxoc: kernels for embedded systems |
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| 07:49.20 | werdnaxoc | what would be a embedded system though? |
| 07:49.28 | werdnaxoc | like an entire desktop on one chip? |
| 07:49.51 | tarzeau | werdnaxoc: it could be completely without desktop or anything interactive |
| 07:49.51 | matchsticker | Hi, what's difference between XFree86 and Xorg, will debian move from XFree86 to Xorg later? |
| 07:49.53 | fake64 | (arm) |
| 07:50.02 | tarzeau | matchsticker: google. yes. |
| 07:50.31 | fake64 | (arm,intel) |
| 07:50.32 | werdnaxoc | how would the system activate, and would this be like putting a chip under your skin? |
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| 07:51.29 | nvz | I guess I should catch some Zzz's the staff is planning to turn off the lights in about a half an hour anyhow |
| 07:51.29 | tabris|away | !dpkg xorg |
| 07:51.29 | dpkg | methinks xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 07:52.12 | nvz | you all don't have to go home, but you can't stay here :P |
| 07:52.28 | fake64 | ? |
| 07:52.40 | jim | from the deadbeast link: "As of this writing (March 2005), packaging of the X.Org X11 distribution is underway in the X Strike Force's xorg-x11 Subversion repository." |
| 07:52.46 | matchsticker | how much does dpkg know? hehe.. |
| 07:52.59 | jim | dpkg: how much do you know? |
| 07:53.00 | dpkg | it has been said that how much is the euro |
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| 07:53.18 | jim | at least it rhymed... |
| 07:53.28 | nvz | dpkg, forget how much |
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| 07:53.48 | nvz | oh well |
| 07:53.56 | Cordovan | morning |
| 07:53.56 | nvz | thats a useless factoid |
| 07:53.59 | matchsticker | dpkg: hi, how are you. |
| 07:53.59 | dpkg | matchsticker: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 07:54.33 | jim | dpkg: how is matchsticker? |
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| 07:54.35 | dpkg | jim: I think you lost me on that one |
| 07:55.00 | nvz | Cordovan: yep. better say your piece in the next 20-30 minutes.. before freenode kicks us all out :P |
| 07:56.39 | werdnaxoc | what type of operating systems maintain nuclear weapons systems? |
| 07:56.51 | cmihai | Proprietary. |
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| 07:57.03 | cmihai | And american. |
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| 07:57.16 | jim | but you repeat yourself :) |
| 07:57.17 | cmihai | (for USA). MSDOG for russia. |
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| 07:57.23 | werdnaxoc | is that illegal? |
| 07:57.41 | cmihai | Trusted Solaris seems to be doing stuff for CIA, FBI and such.... |
| 07:57.53 | cmihai | But "deeper" well.... who knows. |
| 07:58.06 | cmihai | BushOS ?! |
| 07:58.20 | jim | I would imagine the deeper it goes, the less they know about computers |
| 07:58.21 | werdnaxoc | FlamingBushOS?! |
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| 07:59.11 | werdnaxoc | Does anyone work on the project that nasa is putting on for created a tether? |
| 07:59.30 | jim | nope, no one works on it |
| 07:59.55 | peterw | test |
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| 08:01.19 | tarzeau | heh |
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| 08:09.19 | cat | nice tarzeau |
| 08:09.23 | sep | tarzeau: ever heard of a kvm switch ? |
| 08:09.50 | tarzeau | sep: ahm, there's a sparc on the left, and a mac too |
| 08:10.05 | zeeble | 2 apples!! |
| 08:10.08 | sep | tarzeau: ever heard of an expencive kvm switch ? |
| 08:10.12 | tarzeau | zeeble: well hehe 4 :) |
| 08:10.20 | sep | :) |
| 08:10.25 | tarzeau | sep: yeah, but for that money i'd rather get another non-i386 arch computer :) |
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| 08:10.52 | sep | i didnt mean _that_ expencive. |
| 08:11.11 | tarzeau | sep: you know the mac has the volume louder/less buttons |
| 08:11.14 | werdnaxoc | I heard Linus is working with Apple |
| 08:11.22 | tarzeau | and some keyboards are en some de_CH(sg) |
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| 08:12.34 | werdnaxoc | what does this mean? |
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| 08:15.07 | snail | werdnaxoc: Linus works with lots of people. |
| 08:15.24 | werdnaxoc | I wonder why apple went into the unix/linux realm? |
| 08:15.25 | snail | werdnaxoc: maybe improved support for MacOS hardware and filesyste,s |
| 08:15.39 | snail | werdnaxoc interop, like everyone else? |
| 08:15.52 | werdnaxoc | interop? |
| 08:16.09 | sep | the vmware-tools kit consists of a few executables, 4 /etc text files, and 2 kernel modules. i have build it on 1 sarge. is there a simple way of making a package out of this, for installing on several sarges ? i'v been reading the maint-guide and googled, but most assume you need a source that can be instaleld with ./configure -- make -- make install. This is just a set of files i want installed, and it can easily depend on an exact kernel-image |
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| 08:16.22 | werdnaxoc | !dpkg interop |
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| 08:16.57 | jm_ | sep: it is easy, just populate the debian/tmp dir (or whichever is used for packaging) by hand and build it |
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| 08:18.43 | caphuso | sep: check http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 08:19.30 | greystreet_ | hello every, can someone please tell me how to import gnomevfs |
| 08:19.40 | greystreet_ | I am having a problem with foomatic-gui |
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| 08:21.03 | sep | caphuso: , jm_ : thanks |
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