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| 16:18.13 | *** topic/#debian is SARGE RELEASED. | SID IS ONCE AGAIN LITERALLY UNSTABLE | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | non-us is no more. /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 16:18.18 | streuner_ | alejandro_: read ig |
| 16:18.25 | streuner_ | alejandro_: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 16:18.33 | initech | alejandro_: if you had an ia64 you would know, because you would have paid over $15000 for it |
| 16:18.43 | alejandro_ | :S |
| 16:18.46 | abrotman | alejandro_: i didn't stutter .. amd64 is not ia64 .. what part of that is confusing ? |
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| 16:18.59 | abrotman | alejandro_: /msg dpkg ia64 |
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| 16:19.10 | Nebulous | I have a nintendo64, does that count? |
| 16:19.12 | egg | initech, overpriced |
| 16:19.28 | abrotman | duh |
| 16:19.30 | initech | egg: yes, and crap that doesn't run anything as well |
| 16:19.30 | alejandro_ | abrotman: none, I 'm just shocked! |
| 16:19.35 | tim_h_ | which vpn software (server and client) is recommend for debian sarge? |
| 16:19.37 | abrotman | why are you shocked ? |
| 16:19.41 | rking | dondelelcaro: are you thinking of, say, programs that output 8-bit chars for box trawing or something |
| 16:19.43 | egg | initech, O_O |
| 16:19.55 | streuner_ | Nebulous: sell you nintendo64 for 15.000 bucks, and i would count it ;-) |
| 16:20.00 | streuner_ | s/you/your/ |
| 16:20.19 | egg | initech, so I am waiting for p-m64,transmeta64,via64... |
| 16:20.24 | AM|R | hi anyone i want to gain root access without login.. now im infront my server.. so what command should i type on the lilo: ? |
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| 16:20.46 | initech | egg: it's ok for single purpose machines, like SGI sells (clusters and what not). It would be ok i guess for something that was only going to run free software. otherwise it's useless |
| 16:20.53 | abrotman | egg: keep up in back .. transmeta is dead |
| 16:21.04 | egg | Is it? |
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| 16:21.11 | abrotman | basically .. see slashdot |
| 16:21.11 | alejandro_ | abrotman: I though ia64 because "intel" and "amd" 64 bits processors LOL |
| 16:21.13 | Nebulous | AM|R: you'll have to take out the hard drive, put it into an other machine that you do have root or administrative access on, and overwrite the /etc/shadow file with something that has a password you do know. |
| 16:21.18 | dystopian | without logging in? how on earth can you have root access without logging in. |
| 16:21.19 | egg | how about via+transmeta? |
| 16:21.25 | Nebulous | at least that is my solution. there may be other ways |
| 16:21.30 | abrotman | alejandro_: they do .. but amd64/em64t is different than ia64 |
| 16:21.31 | egg | (64 bit) |
| 16:21.39 | Nebulous | boot disk that can mount the file system would work too |
| 16:21.47 | abrotman | egg: go use google |
| 16:21.49 | icyfire0573 | AM|R: init=/bin/bash not work? |
| 16:22.18 | egg | aye, transmeta never die |
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| 16:22.49 | abrotman | egg: no really .. go read slashdot .. |
| 16:22.53 | egg | just FUD I think |
| 16:22.59 | abrotman | idiot |
| 16:23.04 | egg | me? |
| 16:23.10 | initech | transmeta never went anywhere |
| 16:23.10 | egg | ^-^ |
| 16:23.26 | abrotman | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/06/0026256&tid=187&tid=137&tid=218 |
| 16:23.30 | abrotman | GO FUCKING READ |
| 16:23.33 | egg | because "dark hands" |
| 16:23.34 | Nebulous | does linus still work for transmeta? |
| 16:23.56 | egg | no |
| 16:23.57 | icyfire0573 | linus has been with OSDL for a while if i remember correctly |
| 16:23.58 | Nebulous | I'd like to meet Linus some day. I met Ian Murdock one time. |
| 16:24.05 | masoft | I want to install C&C Generals with CEDEGA but it wants to insert the CD 2 ! I can't unmount the disk, so can't change the disk ... what can I do ? |
| 16:24.22 | alejandro_ | abrotman: got it :) http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 16:24.23 | initech | masoft: get another cdrom drive? :) |
| 16:24.24 | egg | Nebulous, he can go back |
| 16:24.26 | abrotman | masoft: ask them |
| 16:24.29 | egg | someday |
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| 16:24.36 | alejandro_ | abrotman: thanks for the info :) |
| 16:24.48 | masoft | initech, I'm looking for another way :P |
| 16:25.02 | abrotman | masoft: other than asking the people you paid for the software? |
| 16:25.06 | Nebulous | Is Ians' company still around? Damn, what was it called? |
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| 16:25.11 | initech | masoft: perhaps you would get some mileage out of making isos, mounting them, and installing from there |
| 16:25.17 | Nebulous | It was based in indiana... |
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| 16:25.26 | abrotman | progeny |
| 16:25.27 | Nebulous | about four years ago. |
| 16:25.28 | abrotman | and yes |
| 16:25.30 | Nebulous | yes, that's it. |
| 16:25.53 | masoft | initech, until I'm using the the ISO image, so I can unmount it :P right ? |
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| 16:26.13 | Nebulous | is it doing well? I suppose I could google that |
| 16:26.15 | initech | masoft: you can mount both of them at once |
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| 16:26.29 | abrotman | !progeny |
| 16:26.29 | egg | OhSmiTt_, root. |
| 16:26.29 | dpkg | methinks progeny is Debian-based GNU/Linux distribution company specializing in custom packaging. http://www.progeny.com/, or see progeny installer, or http://componentizedlinux.org/progeny/ |
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| 16:26.46 | masoft | initech, this game check only one device, so this idea is hard to do ! |
| 16:26.46 | abrotman | what the fuck |
| 16:27.00 | Nebulous | I remember talking to the people at progeny, they were planning on doing some neat things with enterprise distributed processing. |
| 16:27.08 | Nebulous | did any of that stuff make it into progeny? |
| 16:27.09 | egg | EGGGGGGGGGGG has landed! |
| 16:27.22 | abrotman | Nebulous: ask them .. or check the urls above |
| 16:27.25 | dijungal | hi folks |
| 16:27.38 | Nebulous | abrotman: i know, but im' bored and want to chat ;) |
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| 16:27.54 | vaka | what default X server should i chose? in dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 16:28.11 | streuner_ | vaka: what videocard do you have? |
| 16:28.35 | vaka | TNT2 model 64 32 RAM |
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| 16:29.22 | osity | is anyone able to do a walkthrough for a raid 1 setup? |
| 16:29.23 | Nebulous | i don't see anything about the distributed computing. A shame, that seemed like the coolest thing I saw/heard about whe I was there. |
| 16:29.29 | streuner_ | vaka: /msg dpkg nividia |
| 16:29.32 | Nebulous | Well, that and the Color NeXT cube the wheeled in |
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| 16:29.53 | stew | vaka: if you don't need 3d accelleration just use the nv driver, if you need 3d accell, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 16:30.01 | alejandro_ | i'm out ppl, thanks for the help |
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| 16:30.07 | CosmoDad | how am I supposed to determine which of the kernel 2.4 cpufreq patches in ftp://ftp.poupinou.org/cpufreq/ apply to 2.4.27? there're just a bunch of .diffs with date suffices, no information concerning kernel version |
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| 16:30.37 | Vamped | how can i fix my screen so that i am not stuck in 640x480 |
| 16:30.50 | stew | !drxx Vamped |
| 16:30.50 | dpkg | Vamped: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 16:30.51 | dystopian | edit the xconfig file |
| 16:30.54 | stew | dystopian: no |
| 16:31.01 | Vamped | i did that |
| 16:31.05 | Vamped | still wont work |
| 16:31.21 | Vamped | and if i do, i get an error about depth |
| 16:31.53 | stew | Vamped: sounds like you are answering the question incorrectly, what chipset? |
| 16:32.03 | abrotman | and what driver |
| 16:32.03 | dystopian | it should be correct when you configure the xserver properly |
| 16:32.05 | Vamped | I810 |
| 16:32.18 | stew | crist my raid array is taking a long time to rebuilt |
| 16:32.31 | stew | s/t$/d/ |
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| 16:32.59 | Vamped | and which config file is the one it reads from, i have XF86Config and XF86Config-4 |
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| 16:33.17 | stew | Vamped: -4, where did XF86Config come from? |
| 16:33.18 | streuner_ | the later |
| 16:33.24 | Vamped | no idea |
| 16:33.29 | Vamped | i just install debian |
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| 16:35.17 | Draconicus | I think there is a corrupt GNOME pacakge or something. gnome-panel-data refuses to reinstall, reconfigure, or install cleanly when completely removed. Every other piece of GNOME's main files, including the core files, work fine, but the panel does not function and will not install right. I have a frozen panel at the top, now. |
| 16:35.20 | valdyn | CosmoDad: look at the first few lines of a patch |
| 16:35.28 | greycat | XF86Config was the config file for XFree86 version 3.x |
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| 16:35.47 | Draconicus | Perhaps it is this damned mini commander panel applet... |
| 16:35.52 | Draconicus | It has been giving me issues for a while. |
| 16:35.55 | mejo | how can i create a user with adduser automaticly (non-interactive)? |
| 16:36.07 | greycat | mejo: look at useradd instead |
| 16:36.10 | dystopian | simplest way - reconfigure the xserver and pick the correct chipset, amount of video memory, know what your monitors max refresh rate is, what the horizontal and vertical frequency is. |
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| 16:37.21 | Draconicus | How can I get a list of all processes? |
| 16:37.41 | Draconicus | By name, that is. |
| 16:37.46 | furrywolf | ps ax |
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| 16:38.07 | Draconicus | Thanks. |
| 16:38.27 | mejo | greycat: but useradd doesn't allow to set the range of uids. |
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| 16:39.32 | rking | Draconicus: also check out pstree |
| 16:39.46 | nunez | If I apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source where does it put the source code so I can compile it with my new kernel that im going to apt-get ? |
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| 16:41.08 | nunez | Is there any sites that have updated nvidia-kernel deb's that I can add to my sources.list? |
| 16:41.26 | stew | nunez: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 16:42.24 | liran | where can i find the source code for the linux 'ps' program? |
| 16:42.31 | mejo | greycat: maybe something with yes could work? |
| 16:42.32 | Draconicus | rking: I see mini_commander_ in pstree, which is what I want to kill, but killall -9 mini_commander_ doesn't work. Is that not the process name? |
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| 16:43.11 | rking | Draconicus: do a pstree -l to make sure it's not truncating that name |
| 16:43.18 | quittt | do you know a good CGI:IRC server?? |
| 16:43.33 | rking | Draconicus: but another way is just pstree -p, and then just use "kill" on the pid |
| 16:43.40 | streuner_ | liran: why? |
| 16:43.42 | nunez | stew: I already have nvidia working on my 2.6.8, but I want to upgrade to 2.6.11, I shuldnt have to run that should I? |
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| 16:44.47 | Draconicus | rking: Thanks. Got it. |
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| 16:45.02 | furrywolf | nunez: typically you have to recompile the nvidia wrapper if you compile a new kernel. |
| 16:45.13 | Le_Vert | hi people |
| 16:45.23 | stew | nunez: after you have the new kernel installed, apt-get install the kernel-headers for your kernel then m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 16:45.24 | Le_Vert | i just want to knwo |
| 16:45.38 | nunez | furrywolf: Alright, how about these kernel-patches, can I just apt-get when I reboot with the new kernel and they patch themselves? |
| 16:45.41 | Le_Vert | how can i insert an empty line into a manpage ? |
| 16:45.46 | nunez | stew: alright |
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| 16:46.04 | sayadune | bye everybody |
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| 16:46.20 | DYD | hi all |
| 16:46.21 | dystopian | anyone read slashdot today? |
| 16:46.41 | DYD | anyone here expert about circular dependencies |
| 16:46.56 | DYD | can't install kde package |
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| 16:47.11 | stew | DYD: what version of debian? |
| 16:47.14 | DYD | sarge |
| 16:47.25 | stew | DYD: what is the problem? |
| 16:47.27 | dystopian | dyd, what version and what repos? |
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| 16:47.55 | DYD | stew: i do apt-get install kde and i got an error |
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| 16:48.12 | DYD | it says it depends from kdeaddons and kdeprim |
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| 16:48.25 | nunez | 2.6.11-smp installs lilo? |
| 16:48.28 | nunez | I have grub? |
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| 16:49.22 | greycat | nunez: only if you used something that installs suggested packages |
| 16:49.38 | DYD | stew: and if i do apt-get install kde kdeaddons kdeprim get the same error but with a list of unmet dependencies |
| 16:49.45 | nunez | ahh, I see |
| 16:49.52 | stew | DYD: kdeprim is not the name of a debian package |
| 16:49.52 | osity | anyone good with raid? |
| 16:50.00 | nunez | greycat: How would I go about install the kernel-patches? |
| 16:50.02 | osity | i need help setting up a riad 1 |
| 16:50.04 | DYD | something like that |
| 16:50.07 | stew | DYD: you are either mistyping that or you are not using debian |
| 16:50.09 | nunez | greycat: Just reboot with the new kernel and apt-get'em? |
| 16:50.18 | greycat | nunez: don't ask me. you're the one who wants a nonstandard kernel. |
| 16:50.20 | stew | DYD: perhaps you need to apt-get update? |
| 16:50.37 | DYD | did it! |
| 16:50.46 | nunez | greycat: Why is my kernel non-standard? |
| 16:50.52 | DYD | stew: only gdm runs |
| 16:51.07 | stew | DYD: what does gdm have to do with anything? |
| 16:51.18 | greycat | nunez: it's not yet, because you haven't patched it yet. |
| 16:51.31 | greycat | but once you apply source code patches and compile it, that's a custom kernel. |
| 16:51.41 | DYD | stew: nothing but its the only gui running |
| 16:51.57 | stew | DYD: until you tell us the actual error you are getting we probably can't help |
| 16:52.03 | dystopian | kdm and gdm do the same thing. it won't matter if you still use the gdm to boot into kde. |
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| 16:53.22 | liran | streuner: just because |
| 16:53.31 | DYD | stew: i know, the exact error is that kde depends from kdeaddons kdepi |
| 16:53.44 | DYD | stew: sorry, kdepim |
| 16:53.44 | FieldySnuts | RichiH: lame huh. |
| 16:53.51 | liran | streuner: i want to look at it, see if i can add some imporvments of my own instead of constantly tweaking it with grep and awk |
| 16:54.12 | furrywolf | DvD: what debian release are you using? |
| 16:54.16 | furrywolf | dyd |
| 16:54.18 | DYD | stew: sarge |
| 16:54.26 | DYD | furrywolf: sarge |
| 16:54.39 | osity | can you have raid 1 with 3 drives? |
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| 16:55.10 | Laibsch | I have installed the shaper package. /etc/init.d/shaper start gives me an unspecific error ("Starting CBQ traffic shaping: RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory shaper"). AFAIK the necessary modules are loaded. How do I find out what is wrong? |
| 16:55.27 | DYD | and if i try apt-get kde kdepim kdeaddons i got error that says that the packages depends from along list of others not installed |
| 16:55.30 | liran | Laibsch where did you get it from? |
| 16:56.03 | chealer | just to be sure, is the necessary firmware upgrade the reason why ipw2* packages are in contrib instead of main? |
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| 16:56.09 | FieldySnuts | osity: no. you should read the raid-howto, it covers software raid, but even if you are using hardware raid, it explains ech level |
| 16:56.09 | dystopian | from my limited knowledge base it seems that circular dependencies come from using non-standard repositories. but I might be wrong. or misinformed. |
| 16:56.34 | chealer | dystopian: you're misinformed |
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| 16:56.45 | Laibsch | liran: I apt-got it from the official debian pool IIRC. |
| 16:56.48 | stew | DYD: how did you install sarge? from a cd? dist-upgrade from woody? |
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| 16:57.10 | metaperl_vc | Wine is telling me to remove libGL.a during it's configure process: http://pastebin.ca/16630 ... is there some way to appease Wine without doing this? Or is it OK to do this? |
| 16:57.15 | DYD | from a cd |
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| 16:57.21 | dystopian | chealer, is there a usual way that dependency hell starts? |
| 16:57.35 | DYD | then dist-upgrade from usa server |
| 16:57.46 | furrywolf | dependency hell doesn't tend to start. this is debian, not redhat. :) |
| 16:58.15 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 16:58.16 | stew | DYD: how did you dist-upgrade? with apt-get or aptitude or what? |
| 16:58.16 | DYD | furrywolf: :( |
| 16:58.17 | chealer | !woody->sarge |
| 16:58.30 | DYD | stew: apt-get |
| 16:58.34 | chealer | !woody->sarge |
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| 16:58.44 | chealer | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 16:58.44 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 16:58.46 | sepski | just for the record. my problem earlier today with configuring / deconfiguring interfaces was due to a error in my nssswitch.conf file |
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| 16:58.48 | stew | DYD: you didn't read the release notes, apt-get cant dist-upgrade from woody->sarge |
| 16:59.14 | Laibsch | liran: Any ideas? |
| 16:59.16 | dystopian | that's what circular dependency problems are. a form of dependency hell. "you need this but you have this, uninstall this but you can't because of that etc..." |
| 16:59.17 | stew | DYD: you probably have a half dist-upgraded system, what does apt-get -f install say? |
| 16:59.18 | chealer | is there another name for that "serious breakage"? |
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| 16:59.38 | DYD | apt-get -f install says all ok |
| 17:00.04 | rigelf | sorry for such a stupid and broad question, but does anyone have a speedstream 5260/5660 modem connected in bridge mode via pppoa? i've been googling for literally days and can't seem to quite get it right |
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| 17:00.14 | furrywolf | !anyone |
| 17:00.14 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 17:00.21 | DYD | did that 'cause some packages on the cd were damaged |
| 17:00.22 | rigelf | w00t |
| 17:00.26 | Sw00P_ | hi... wo can tell me how to use a debian pkg to get the perl module Net::Telnet |
| 17:00.27 | liran | Trewas: so what about that ps source? |
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| 17:00.39 | stew | DYD: how about apt-get dist-upgrade ? does it think you are up to date? |
| 17:00.48 | dystopian | dyd- it sounds like your install was borked. |
| 17:01.00 | Kerokid | hi everybody, somebody know how to configure a zip unit in sarge |
| 17:01.31 | DYD | stew: no |
| 17:01.46 | schrankwand | hi how can I call mpeg2enc in a way to make my movie very small? i Have tried the -b option but in this case its truncates my movie |
| 17:01.54 | liable | Kerokid: a zip drive? |
| 17:01.58 | Kerokid | yes |
| 17:02.04 | streuner__ | Sw00P: apt-cache search? |
| 17:02.13 | stew | DYD: this is why you weren't supposed to use apt-get |
| 17:02.17 | osity | FieldySnuts: how do you know yu cant have raid with 3 drives? |
| 17:02.20 | streuner__ | Sw00P: or just get it at CPAN and use dh-make-perl |
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| 17:02.40 | osity | FieldySnuts: I was thinking of installing the os on one and raiding the other 2.... |
| 17:02.47 | liable | Kerokid: whats dmesg say about it? |
| 17:02.55 | cmihai | Sid users out there, how "unstable" is Sid really? I don't mind a few broken dependecies and such, |
| 17:03.04 | Kerokid | what s dmesg |
| 17:03.08 | jim | cmihai: /topic |
| 17:03.15 | streuner__ | cmihai: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 17:03.25 | DYD | stew: i can redo installation, but i still have damaged packages on the cd, how can i fix it? |
| 17:03.32 | osity | FieldySnuts: the sata controller has raid on it...i configured it and it was easy but do I have to do anything to the drives? |
| 17:03.43 | stew | DYD: aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 17:03.49 | liable | Kerokid: type it in a console. |
| 17:03.49 | furrywolf | DYD: download the sarge install cd. |
| 17:03.58 | cmihai | jim: topic sais it's literally unstable... heh |
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| 17:04.00 | dystopian | dyd - are you able to download large files? if so then get the sarge cd |
| 17:04.15 | chealer | cmihai: no, it says it's LITERALLY UNSTABLE |
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| 17:04.22 | stew | he doesn't need to reinstall, he just needs to finish the dist-upgrade |
| 17:04.24 | deadfizh | stew, why aptitude? |
| 17:04.33 | jim | cmihai: can go in any direction... if you use sid, your problems are -yours- and usually not supportable here |
| 17:04.42 | streuner__ | chealer: hehe |
| 17:04.53 | DYD | stew: yeah, why? |
| 17:04.54 | stew | deadfizh: becauase woody's apt-get is broken for dist-upgrade, it breaks on large circular dependencies |
| 17:05.16 | cmihai | jim: I don't care, I can handle most problems anyway. Just wanted to know the opinion of somebody running Sid as a desktop. |
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| 17:05.57 | DYD | stew: running aptitude update.. |
| 17:06.07 | cmihai | Like: it's ok, or it's a fscking nightmare/not worth the trouble. |
| 17:06.12 | deadfizh | stew, oh. :o |
| 17:06.20 | deadfizh | stew, didn't knew that one before. since when's that? |
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| 17:06.52 | Kerokid | well hen I insert the zip disk this said that the zip disk is inside but I can't access to the disk, by the way this said that the mount point is hdd but nope |
| 17:06.52 | stew | deadfizh: this is why the sarge release notes say to use aptitude, this was documented about 6 months ago in DWN and on the debian-devel list |
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| 17:06.55 | jim | cmihai: so you understand that? run sid, lose the use of this channel for support? |
| 17:07.32 | shingouz | cmihai: do not run Sid if you have to ask if to run Sid |
| 17:07.34 | deadfizh | stew, quite awkward.. :i |
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| 17:07.58 | DYD | stew: that's what happend when u dont reed release notes |
| 17:08.03 | cmihai | jim: so ?! |
| 17:08.07 | DYD | .. |
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| 17:08.39 | dystopian | poor dyd. I forgot about the use of apt-get from woody to sarge. I think that was even on slashdot. |
| 17:08.49 | jim | cmihai: so... the information you seek, while somewhat out of date by the time you get it, is in the BTS |
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| 17:09.12 | jim | (problem being we get it then too) |
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| 17:09.37 | liable | g'nite #debian :) |
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| 17:09.42 | cmihai | Heh, all righty. I guess I'll see for myself how usable it can get. |
| 17:09.49 | dystopian | later liable |
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| 17:11.13 | jim | and since sid changes so rapidly, anyone you might ask will have a different sid from each other (different set of packages, upgraded at different times) and some might have packages from experimental, or soem not even in debian at all... |
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| 17:11.32 | Kerokid | liable he mount point is hdd |
| 17:11.50 | CosmoDad | can I extract the complete configuration files used to build a debian package (i.e., rules, init.d, etc.) from an existing package somehow? |
| 17:12.03 | DYD | stew: tnx, i'm gonna reboot.. |
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| 17:12.18 | dystopian | sid is basically a developers distro. |
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| 17:12.32 | jim | CosmoDad: a debian package is a .ar containing a text file and other things depending on the number in that text file |
| 17:13.00 | CosmoDad | jim: so I can just un-ar a .deb? |
| 17:13.04 | jim | if it's 2, the other things in the .ar are twotarballs |
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| 17:13.09 | jim | sure |
| 17:13.17 | RichiH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:13.31 | rking | mejo: you around? |
| 17:13.40 | jim | I'd make a dir and copy the .deb into the dir first, but that's optional |
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| 17:13.45 | CosmoDad | jim: never tried ar, out of curiousity: does debian come with a tool to extract a .deb in such a way? |
| 17:13.57 | jim | dpkg does that |
| 17:14.00 | stew | CosmoDad: you can also use dpkg -x and dpkg -e |
| 17:14.09 | jim | man ar, man tar, man gzip |
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| 17:14.23 | jim | for version t2 debs, that's what you need to just extract them |
| 17:14.31 | rking | mejo: to answer your question about the ps source, you can always do dpkg -S `which whateverprogram`; apt-get source (whatever package was shown). in the case of ps, most of what it does is traverse /proc |
| 17:14.48 | metaperl_vc | Wine is telling me to remove libGL.a during it's configure process: http://pastebin.ca/16630 ... is there some way to appease Wine without doing this? Or is it OK to do this? |
| 17:14.55 | jim | never tried ar? about time you did, maybe :) |
| 17:14.57 | CosmoDad | stew: tried -x, it doesn't provide configuration files, and -e only gave me two files with kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 17:15.07 | jim | pirates like saying its name |
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| 17:15.34 | CosmoDad | stew: and among those two, there was no rules file... I'd think kernel source packages do contain them, though |
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| 17:15.52 | CosmoDad | jim: hehe |
| 17:16.10 | CosmoDad | jim: or home improvement male grunt style... |
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| 17:17.03 | jim | CosmoDad: if I were you, I'd try on a small package like hello first |
| 17:17.49 | jim | CosmoDad: try pulling the package apart yourself and you'll see what's in there |
| 17:17.59 | CosmoDad | jim: well I figured it out, kernel source really contains two configuration files only |
| 17:18.21 | CosmoDad | jim: actually, kernel source is quite easy: contains a small set of configuration files and a huge data part |
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| 17:18.49 | jim | dpkg might hide stuff from you, which is good for keeping the data format intact, but not what you presently want |
| 17:18.49 | dpkg | jim: what are you talking about? |
| 17:18.58 | jim | YOU! |
| 17:19.05 | CosmoDad | jim: point is I'm trying to package my own patched kernel source so I'm taking a look at kernel-source |
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| 17:19.21 | leonel | !dpkg version |
| 17:19.21 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 17:19.25 | CosmoDad | jim: yeah know what you mean, just saw the difference between unaring and using dpkg |
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| 17:19.31 | jim | CosmoDad: make-kpkg --targets |
| 17:19.51 | dystopian | brb |
| 17:19.58 | CosmoDad | jim: ? |
| 17:20.01 | jim | if you can't do that... apt-get install kernel-package first |
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| 17:20.19 | CosmoDad | jim: I see... |
| 17:20.36 | jim | any ? you might have will be answered by running the command :) |
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| 17:21.07 | jim | make-kpkg can actually produce 4 package types not just 1 |
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| 17:21.28 | ciocanel | hello, how can I run a script on start-up as a normal user? |
| 17:21.35 | CosmoDad | jim: but there will be no 2.4-cpufreq-patched kernel as I need it... |
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| 17:22.00 | jim | CosmoDad: unless of course you run make-kpkg to build it |
| 17:22.17 | CosmoDad | jim: I don't wanna spread the binary but the source |
| 17:22.23 | jim | CosmoDad: unless of course you run make-kpkg to build it |
| 17:22.37 | jim | you haven't run the command yet have you :) |
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| 17:22.43 | CosmoDad | jim: I did |
| 17:22.43 | bahamat | hey guys, on quite a number of sarge boxes that were upgraded to stable from testing I'm getting some perl errors about substitutions |
| 17:22.57 | bahamat | whenever I apt-get |
| 17:22.59 | jim | I can tell, because otherwise you would understand :) |
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| 17:23.10 | CosmoDad | jim: oh you mean the kernel-source target? |
| 17:23.17 | jim | heyy! |
| 17:23.27 | jim | give that dad a cigar! |
| 17:23.29 | CosmoDad | jim: I skipped that :) |
| 17:23.47 | sepski | ciocanel, you can use sudo, but there might be better ways also that i dont know about |
| 17:23.58 | secher | Heyas all. I've been kicking around the idea of migrating from XFree86 to X.org, however I'm wondering ( other than the inevitable migration challenges) what are some of the hassles I'm going to experience? Will E funcction as normal? ANd where can I go for more detailed answers? X.org is rather short on the negatives of X.org vs XFree. FYI, I'm considering this becuase of license issues. |
| 17:24.00 | CosmoDad | ciocanel:different possibilities, e.g. use .bashrc, your windows managers autostart option... |
| 17:24.33 | ciocanel | sepski, CosmoDad ... I want to run it when the system loads. |
| 17:24.34 | sepski | secher, the biggest issue would be that xorg is not in debian yet read the topic |
| 17:24.35 | CosmoDad | jim: holy shit this makes thinks easier |
| 17:24.53 | sepski | ciocanel, you can use sudo for that |
| 17:25.04 | jim | yes, often my thinks are easier after I've built a kernel source package! |
| 17:25.05 | ciocanel | sepski, ok, thanks. |
| 17:25.07 | CosmoDad | ciocanel: again different possibilities, add a demon for instance |
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| 17:25.27 | deepan | installation of gaim in sarge using tar ball gives error at configure stage " error : could not find glib >=2.0.0 " ... can i install gaim using something that is equivalent to RPMs in debian thru which i can avoid the above error |
| 17:25.32 | secher | Thanks Sepski |
| 17:25.33 | petemc | sepski: do the license issues you talk of apply to the debian package of xfree? |
| 17:25.36 | petemc | gah |
| 17:25.38 | petemc | secher: ^^ |
| 17:25.54 | sepski | petemc, ?? |
| 17:25.58 | sepski | ahh |
| 17:26.01 | CosmoDad | jim: thanks for the hint |
| 17:26.11 | jim | welcome |
| 17:26.35 | directhex | !wayc deepan |
| 17:26.36 | dpkg | deepan: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 17:27.15 | directhex | petemc, no. debian is based on xfree86 4.3 |
| 17:27.18 | deepan | i cant download .. and i dont have cds.. i can only use tar balls.. that have now |
| 17:27.24 | directhex | and 4.4rc2. which both have acceptable licenses |
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| 17:27.36 | directhex | deepan, how can you not download things yet have access to tarballs? |
| 17:27.42 | secher | petemc: The license issues I have are with XFree86, not with Debian. I feel XFree is really moving in teh wrong direction. |
| 17:27.45 | directhex | deepan, what kind of shitty mess are you trying to create? |
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| 17:28.07 | petemc | directhex: thanks.... |
| 17:28.08 | deepan | hey i have a limit for download.. thats what i ment.. directhex.. |
| 17:28.09 | err0rr | secher: what direction is that? |
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| 17:28.28 | Yokalosh | how do you use a usb mass storage device in debian? |
| 17:28.38 | Yokalosh | i am new to the system and have loooads to learn |
| 17:28.50 | directhex | deepan, you cannot compile gaim without a LOT of development packages. which mean even more downloading than just getting the .deb |
| 17:28.55 | sepski | Yokalosh, usb-storage like in all other linux's you can use hotplug in addition to automount on a mountpoint |
| 17:28.57 | err0rr | mkdir /mnt/usbdrive && mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive |
| 17:28.58 | vaka | which one of the /dev drives is the first sata hd? |
| 17:28.58 | asg | Yokalosh: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 17:29.13 | deepan | can i then download .deb alone .. directhex |
| 17:29.20 | deepan | will that solve the problem |
| 17:29.38 | directhex | deepan, of course you bloody well can -_-. not to say it won't have dependancies, mind, which is why you use apt-get |
| 17:29.38 | err0rr | deepan: learn to use the package search engine on debian.org it is awesome |
| 17:29.38 | Yokalosh | ? i'm lost |
| 17:29.56 | asg | !tell Yokalosh about usb-storage |
| 17:30.05 | vaka | help: which one of the /dev drives is the first sata hd? |
| 17:30.06 | directhex | Yokalosh, usb mass storage uses the scsi subsystem, so the first unused /dev/sd* entry, e.g. /dev/sda1 |
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| 17:30.14 | Yokalosh | ahhh thnx |
| 17:30.19 | directhex | vaka, sata uses the scsi subsystem, so the first unused /dev/sd* entry, e.g. /dev/sda1 |
| 17:30.35 | vaka | thanx directhex |
| 17:31.10 | metaperl_vc | Wine is telling me to remove libGL.a during it's configure process: http://pastebin.ca/16630 ... is there some way to appease Wine without doing this? Or is it OK to do this? |
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| 17:31.24 | directhex | !wayc metaperl_vc |
| 17:31.25 | dpkg | metaperl_vc: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 17:31.51 | metaperl_vc | because the apt version is old and does not work |
| 17:32.16 | metaperl_vc | the apt version tried to do direct rendering instead of using the nvidia driver |
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| 17:32.48 | err0rr | isnt that just the video driver you specify in the config file ? |
| 17:33.06 | directhex | fine, remove xlibmesa-gl-dev, i'm sure you know what you're doing, since nobody';s ever run wine before on debian |
| 17:33.09 | metaperl_vc | oh, I've never touched the config files... everything worked fine when I simply compiled and installed |
| 17:33.32 | err0rr | change the "nv" driver to "nvidia" |
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| 17:33.40 | directhex | you do know the definition of "direct rendering" on linux, yes? |
| 17:33.47 | metaperl_vc | directhex: no I don't |
| 17:34.20 | metaperl_vc | but I recall the nvidia messages when i was running a compiled version of recent Wine on Fedora and I didnt see those messages with the Debian apt Wine, so I figured it wasn't using it |
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| 17:34.46 | err0rr | that is a terrible assumption |
| 17:34.50 | directhex | it means something is 3d accelerated, i.e. if you run "glxinfo" on a 3d accelerated system you'll be told "Direct rendering: yes", else it'll say "no" |
| 17:34.57 | secher | err0rr: the long and the short of the matter is that I have little time to follow the3 ins and outs of every issue in the political, computational and environmental fronts. At some point you have to trust someone, and I trust Debian, and Debian has a problem with XFree86, so I have a problem as well. 'Nuff said. |
| 17:35.21 | directhex | direct rendering: Yes |
| 17:35.21 | directhex | server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 17:35.38 | err0rr | secher: oic, this is the same fine logic that leads people to vote for dem&rep candidates |
| 17:35.44 | metaperl_vc | ok, so maybe I should post the error message I was getting from the apt-version of Wine and get feedback on that |
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| 17:36.15 | directhex | perhaps you could run "glxinfo | grep direct" |
| 17:36.31 | metaperl_vc | I will go home and fire up Wine and then report ... I will glxinfo | grep direct as well |
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| 17:36.39 | metaperl_vc | back on in 15-45 minutes |
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| 17:37.30 | DeepB | hi, what would be a good place to ask about colocation or housing services in Japan: prices, specs, etc.. |
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| 17:37.58 | oguz | hi, i tried apt-pinning for my testing, added the stable version depots, but when i sat apt-get --reinstall install python/stable it still looks testing |
| 17:38.03 | oguz | i want to install from stable |
| 17:38.13 | oguz | i have already installed python |
| 17:38.18 | petemc | DeepB: is there a linux user group in your area? |
| 17:38.33 | secher | Hrm. oic, this the same narrow mindedness that causes people to disregard everything they don't agree with as summarily vile. Just keep your opinions to yourself. You asked a question, I answered in the most truthful and direct way I could. I don't have time for your crap. Do you intrinsically understand the mathematics and coding behing GPG? I doubt it. Do you trust GPG? Prolly, or at least, mostly. Same logic, different to |
| 17:38.50 | DeepB | petemc: yes, there are a few, but i'm in europe |
| 17:38.56 | aphexer | I want to compile a new kernel. I thought I was doing all fine but the kernel doesn't boot. It says can't mount root file system etc (/dev/sdb2). I have a Promise TX2 SATA pci card with 2 sata disks connected. I tried to put in all necessary modules in the kernel itself but it didn't help. Can someone help me a bit? What stuff needs to be compiled in? |
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| 17:39.26 | CosmoDad | is there a way to make-kpkg a custom kernel without the default revision "10.00 Custom" even if I don't use the --revision flag? |
| 17:39.29 | err0rr | secher: i dont understand a lot of the license issues, so i dont comment on them |
| 17:39.35 | directhex | aphexer, file system, pci controller, disk controller. easier to pass --mkinitrd to make-kpkg |
| 17:39.41 | petemc | DeepB: ahh, that makes it trickier alright |
| 17:39.54 | aphexer | directhex, do I need to use an initrd? |
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| 17:40.22 | oguz | it seems tonight noone want to answer my questions |
| 17:40.26 | directhex | aphexer, need? no, not if you get the right mix of things compiled satically. which you didn't |
| 17:40.30 | err0rr | oguz: indeed |
| 17:40.43 | aphexer | directhex, what is an initrd image actually? |
| 17:40.44 | err0rr | oguz: i for one am scared of python |
| 17:40.45 | secher | err0rr: I don;t understand most of them either, however I do understand that I trust teh Debian community as a whole. anyway...... |
| 17:40.52 | oguz | err0rr, i dont think i am asking so silly question |
| 17:41.10 | secher | Rather "in general" |
| 17:41.17 | directhex | aphexer, a file containing extra kernel modules to be used for booting, e.g. disk controllers and the like. by keeping them as a separate file, the kernel is kept smaller |
| 17:41.19 | err0rr | secher: i just think trusting communities is a problem :D |
| 17:41.21 | oguz | err0rr, this question is not related with python i just want to reintsla python from stable |
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| 17:41.48 | oguz | err0rr, but it still downloads it from testing |
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| 17:42.19 | err0rr | and your sources.list has all stable sourceS? |
| 17:42.30 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 17:42.30 | dpkg | i guess downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 17:43.00 | oguz | because ipython is not working because of the python2.3 problem and i should rebuild it by using gcc-4 and also change a function name i decided to download it from stable |
| 17:43.13 | secher | err0rr Normally, I'd agree, however, there is a limit to the hours in the day for me, so I have to trust someone sometime.' |
| 17:43.30 | sepski | i thought downgrade was restoring the backup you took earlier. *shrug* |
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| 17:43.47 | err0rr | oguz: what are the rest of the packages on the system? stable or testing? |
| 17:43.51 | aphexer | directhex, how do i create the initrd? |
| 17:44.07 | valdyn | oguz: download the packages from http://packages.debian.org and try dpkg -i |
| 17:44.15 | live | Hello all. |
| 17:44.15 | oguz | err0rr, my system is testing totaly, but i dont know how to solve the ipython problem |
| 17:44.26 | directhex | aphexer, you pass --initrd to make-kpkg, i.e. make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
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| 17:44.49 | err0rr | ah, yeah then try doing what valdyn said, just apg-get remove python and download the stable .deb and dpkg -i it |
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| 17:44.58 | err0rr | idk what dep problems you will run into |
| 17:45.01 | err0rr | but you can try it |
| 17:45.07 | aphexer | directhex, hm i was kinda doing it the old way, make bzImage etc, I suppose I'll have to change to the new way? |
| 17:45.10 | bos | sup okes |
| 17:45.27 | oguz | do you think if i installed the stable version pf python, can some programs crash? |
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| 17:45.51 | valdyn | oguz: if you install anything, that might something crash. |
| 17:45.59 | err0rr | oguz: possibly but it is easy to go back to testing |
| 17:46.00 | valdyn | oguz: if you install anything, that might make something crash. |
| 17:46.02 | live | can anyone tell me how to findout which packages come from a particular maintainer? |
| 17:46.06 | bos | can anyone help me out with Ubuntu, i need help getting full permissions to my ntfs partition |
| 17:46.15 | dondelelcaro | bos: #ubuntu can |
| 17:46.20 | robin_sz | live: email him? |
| 17:46.32 | oguz | valdyn, of :( so i shouldnt try to install the stable version then |
| 17:46.36 | bos | negative on that one, no one is answering |
| 17:46.38 | dondelelcaro | live: packages.qa.debian.org is your friend. |
| 17:46.43 | valdyn | oguz: dont use computers. |
| 17:46.47 | adapter | if the domain in /etc/resolv.conf does not exist any longer...is there a problem? |
| 17:46.51 | bos | thought someone here in debian could help |
| 17:46.54 | dondelelcaro | bos: well, this is Debian. We only support Debian, not ubuntu; wait there for an answer. |
| 17:46.54 | robin_sz | bos: you could try installing debian |
| 17:46.55 | trave11er | live: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php |
| 17:46.56 | asg | !tell bos about ntfsrw |
| 17:47.03 | oguz | may you please say what that means: Fix build using gcc-4.0. Rename |
| 17:47.03 | oguz | history_length to _history_length. |
| 17:47.05 | punsad | I've got a problem... error.log filled up my hard drive and maxed it out. deleted the log file, but 'df' still shows that the drive is 100% used up. normal users can't write to disk, but root can. I know if I reboot - all will be fixed. But how to fix this without rebooting? |
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| 17:47.23 | adapter | should i type a selfchosen domanin? |
| 17:47.27 | directhex | aphexer, i don't keep track of 1993 non-debian methods of working |
| 17:47.28 | oguz | and also i have another problem |
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| 17:47.33 | punsad | I tried 'sync' but didn't do anything |
| 17:47.35 | aphexer | directhex, ok |
| 17:47.39 | valdyn | punsad: lsof | grep error.log |
| 17:47.42 | aphexer | thanks for the help |
| 17:47.53 | live | I wanna know which packages my apt-get upgrade took from a particular deb source |
| 17:47.54 | oguz | in stable version i downloaded python, its version is 2.3 |
| 17:47.56 | sepski | punsad, tried a remount ? |
| 17:48.08 | oguz | now i want to work with pyopenssl |
| 17:48.14 | dondelelcaro | live: apt-cache policy foopkg; then |
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| 17:48.24 | robin_sz | punsad: lsof is yuor friend |
| 17:48.35 | oguz | in stable depot there is no such package, but there is one for oython2.2 |
| 17:48.52 | asg | bos: 1) don't /msg people without asking. 2) man mount (search for 'user') |
| 17:48.52 | valdyn | !info python2.3 sarge |
| 17:48.54 | oguz | how can i say my machine dont use python 2.3 use python2.2 ? |
| 17:48.55 | punsad | valdyn: that helped... saw that apache still is trying to access it, so I apachectl restarted |
| 17:48.57 | dpkg | python2.3: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.3)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.3.5-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2837 kB, Installed size: 9400 kB |
| 17:49.06 | oguz | i couldnt install python2.2 with apt-get |
| 17:49.14 | CasaNova_ | Upgraded to 2.6 and after reboot I cant get the mouse recognized at all. Its PS2 mouse on desktop system . Tried modprobe psmouse and tried under gpm config/dev/psaux / dev/mouse and /dev/input/mice all with no luck... |
| 17:49.15 | asg | !info python 2.2 sarge |
| 17:49.19 | asg | bah |
| 17:49.22 | asg | !info python2.2 sarge |
| 17:49.27 | dpkg | python2.2: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.2)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.2.3dfsg-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 2220 kB, Installed size: 7260 kB |
| 17:49.43 | charzero | If i install something from source, how do i tell apt that i have it? I seem to remember something about 'inject', but i can't find anything now. |
| 17:49.48 | valdyn | CasaNova_: try "modprobe mousedev", try /dev/input/mice |
| 17:49.52 | punsad | valdyn: coool... all better now... thanks!! |
| 17:50.01 | CasaNova_ | valdyn thanks |
| 17:50.06 | live | is there any way i can grep a maintainer like rarewarez and see what packages i have from them? |
| 17:50.12 | CasaNova_ | valdyn: and I assume add to /etc/modules if it works? |
| 17:50.21 | asg | oguz: python2.2 is in sid even, what do you mean you can't install it? |
| 17:50.24 | aphexer | When creating an initrd image, do I already need to have the correct modules in /lib/modules? So suppose I do not select any modules in make menuconfig, an initrd wouldn't have a use? |
| 17:50.25 | intension | i get this from apt : WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! ? what does it mean ? |
| 17:50.35 | jethro | is there anything I can do to kill a process with the D status code other than rebooting? |
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| 17:50.51 | dondelelcaro | live: again, packages.qa.debian.org; will tell you which maintainers have which packages. |
| 17:50.56 | sepski | aphexer, not likely im trying to get modules out of my initrd but it's a pain, |
| 17:51.02 | dondelelcaro | jethro: no, not really. You can just ignore them typically. |
| 17:51.11 | oguz | asg, yes in stable version it says dependecy error and left, i have 2.3 installed |
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| 17:51.20 | aphexer | sepski, ah... |
| 17:51.22 | jethro | dondelelcaro: alright, I will. thanks. |
| 17:51.23 | live | dondelecaro: i know but it wont tell me about MY machine |
| 17:51.27 | lehel | hello |
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| 17:51.38 | asg | oguz: what error? |
| 17:51.40 | dondelelcaro | live: then apt-cache show foopkg; that will tell you which maintainer made the package. |
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| 17:51.56 | aphexer | Well I don't really know which modules to use for my hardware (sata disk) but the standard debian sarge kernel+ initrd makes it work |
| 17:51.58 | oguz | asg, i dont remember now, this machine is tetsing |
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| 17:52.04 | Bac9 | is ther any way to choose which iconset gtk apps use or does that only depend on the version of gtk? |
| 17:52.05 | oguz | asg, i may mail you if you like |
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| 17:52.21 | live | dondelecaro: right, but i wanna see packages listed by maintainer. |
| 17:52.29 | asg | oguz: when you can get to the broken machine in question, come back here and ask again. |
| 17:52.34 | dondelelcaro | live: so use grep-dctrl then. |
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| 17:52.53 | dondelelcaro | live: or again, use packages.qa.debian.org; which shows the same information. |
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| 17:53.17 | oguz | i can not log in from that machine to chat, it is in the lab |
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| 17:53.44 | asg | oguz: well, there error is likely only a few lines at most. Copy them down on a piece of paper and use our paster bot. |
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| 17:54.00 | live | dondelelcaro: okay. thanks. my problem is with mplayer |
| 17:54.23 | oguz | asg, paster bot? what is that |
| 17:54.36 | asg | oguz: /msg dpkg paster |
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| 17:54.57 | dondelelcaro | live: in the future just ask the real question; you've just wasted my time right now. |
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| 17:55.42 | live | i get an error when starting it saying libavcodeccvs.so undefined symbol FaacDecOpen |
| 17:55.42 | lhl | hey, is there a better channel to get help? i'm having a real weird problem w/ dpkg telling me there's no free space when unpacking when there's gobs of it |
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| 17:56.13 | oguz | asg, ok i got it |
| 17:56.14 | godsmoke | lhl: you wouldn't have multiple partitions, would you? |
| 17:56.18 | dondelelcaro | lhl: use the paster bot to paste the output of df -h; and df -i; |
| 17:56.19 | duncf | lhl: on all partitions? |
| 17:56.20 | asg | lhl: what does df -i show |
| 17:56.23 | Dannyy | I got LiNuX :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ITS MY FIRSTDAY on LiNuX !!! |
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| 17:56.27 | asg | gah |
| 17:56.32 | dondelelcaro | lhl: then paste the output of the dpkg run. |
| 17:56.33 | live | dondelelcaro: sorry, but that was a problem i wanted solved |
| 17:56.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell lhl about paster |
| 17:56.45 | lhl | yes, multiple partitions here: |
| 17:56.49 | lhl | root@moo / # df -h |
| 17:56.49 | lhl | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 17:56.49 | lhl | /dev/hda3 4.6G 704M 3.7G 16% / |
| 17:56.49 | lhl | /dev/hda1 183M 11M 163M 6% /boot |
| 17:56.49 | lhl | /dev/hda5 9.4G 33M 8.9G 1% /tmp |
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| 17:56.56 | godsmoke | sigh |
| 17:57.13 | trave11er | :-) |
| 17:57.13 | sepski | lhl why so much tmp space ? |
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| 17:57.21 | oguz | i still need help for ipython installation |
| 17:57.22 | ufoalien | hehe |
| 17:57.28 | lhl | err, that was unhelpful of debhelp |
| 17:57.41 | dondelelcaro | lhl: read /topic; and don't paste here. |
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| 17:57.42 | godsmoke | lhl: if you had read the instructions people sent you .... |
| 17:57.45 | Chess_man | Hi all, I'm trying out debian and need to know which daemons are starting a boot/default. Is there a specific command to find this out? I think I've been using the wrong search terms in google. |
| 17:57.48 | trave11er | lhl: you are not supposed to paste stuff in channel |
| 17:57.49 | ufoalien | sepski: if you work with sound and make records you'll need a lot of space in /tmp |
| 17:58.03 | melkart | my mouse pointer hangs for a few mins every now and then |
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| 17:58.07 | robin_sz | lhl: people sometimes get kicked for pasting in channel ... |
| 17:58.14 | Nand0 | Good afternoon, anyone herer known a program to speak the keyboard key pressed? |
| 17:58.17 | lhl | dondelelcaro: reading |
| 17:58.22 | CasaNova_ | valdyn: I modprobed mousedev and set gpm to use /dev/input/mice and now gpm actually restarte without error but I have no mouse in console :-( |
| 17:58.32 | lhl | i'm on irssi, so i sometimes miss private msgs |
| 17:58.33 | dondelelcaro | live: your version of mplayer is compiled against the wrong version of avcodec. Get the versions located on the nerim marillat mirrors. |
| 17:58.48 | niksie | Anyone know how to run update-modules for another kernel then the one you are running |
| 17:58.55 | sepski | lhl do you get the cache space error perhaps ??? add 'APT::Cache-Limit "12500000";' to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 17:59.01 | lehel | i have no sound under X.. alsa not loaded ..."No legacy drivers are available" |
| 17:59.01 | robin_sz | Nand0: in a web browser, I know of something liek that that speaks when a key is pressed |
| 17:59.06 | dondelelcaro | Chess_man: the only daemons started are the ones that you've installed. That's it. |
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| 17:59.24 | Nand0 | robin_sz: known the name? |
| 17:59.26 | live | dondelelcaro: all my video/audio libs come from marillat. |
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| 17:59.53 | Chess_man | Well... I'm not familiar with debian and am using Knoppmyth which installs a bunch of daemons automatically. |
| 17:59.59 | live | unless theres something im unaware of, hence my first question |
| 18:00.12 | robin_sz | Nand0: searching my bookmarks |
| 18:00.24 | live | i had rarewares in my sources.list for awhile |
| 18:00.27 | valdyn | !tell CasaNova_ about mouse 2.6 |
| 18:00.27 | dondelelcaro | live: apparently not. dpkg -l libavcodec* mplayer*; and paste the output using the paster bot. |
| 18:00.31 | Nand0 | robin_sz: thanks |
| 18:00.32 | prodope | i'm getting this error at boot... any suggestions as to how to fix it? - Cleaning /tmpfind: warning: you have specified the -maxdepth option after a non-option argument -perm, but options are not positional (-maxdepth affects tests specified before it as well as those specified after it). Please specify options before other a |
| 18:00.36 | lehel | i have no sound under X.. alsa not loaded ..."No legacy drivers are available" |
| 18:00.45 | valdyn | CasaNova_: no idea really, could be for a few reasons, like you picking the wrong mouse type for gpm. |
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| 18:01.05 | Vamped | ive tried everything i can think of to get my moniter to use 1024x768 resolution, but it still forces me into 640x480, is there anything for me to do to fix this? |
| 18:01.07 | Chess_man | dondelelcaro,So, I'm not sure what it loaded and would like to find out. :-) |
| 18:01.08 | robin_sz | Nand0: can;t spot it anymore ... |
| 18:01.14 | CasaNova_ | I tried autops2 and ps2 I'll try again :-) |
| 18:01.20 | sepski | lehel, make sure you dont use old soundmodules, when that's taken care of /msg dpkg alsa setup |
| 18:01.33 | robin_sz | Nand0: oh, there is this, but almost 100% NOT what you wanted ; http://www.rathergood.com/buffy/ |
| 18:02.00 | sbk | Just out of curiosity, do comparable kernel revision numbers in debian versus redhat behave similarly as far as the "when to swap out" algorithms go? |
| 18:02.01 | dondelelcaro | Chess_man: well, it could install almost anything. dpkg -l; and ls -l /etc/init.d; should give you some idea of what it has done |
| 18:02.10 | sepski | Chess_man, knoppix have it's own irc channel, and you can look in /etc/init.d/rc2.d since we have no clue to what knoppix does for a default |
| 18:02.18 | lhl | http://channels.debian.net/paste/279p |
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| 18:02.33 | Nand0 | robin_sz: let me see, thank you |
| 18:02.48 | Chess_man | sepski, Knoppmyth is Debian. At least that is what they say on their website. |
| 18:02.59 | robin_sz | Nand0: I assure you you wont thank me for that link ... |
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| 18:03.42 | sepski | Chess_man, they have an error on their site then |
| 18:03.49 | sepski | !debian-based |
| 18:03.49 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 18:03.50 | dondelelcaro | lhl: change directories to a directory with more space. |
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| 18:03.53 | robin_sz | Chess_man: no, debian is debian, the rest are just based on debian after they fuck about with it .. ask them to help, not #debian, as we don;t know what they have done |
| 18:03.55 | Crissi | hi |
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| 18:04.16 | lhl | dondelelcaro: all the directories have gigs free? |
| 18:04.18 | live | uhh how do i use paste bot? |
| 18:04.22 | lhl | where's it running out of space on? |
| 18:04.28 | sepski | Chess_man, but you can look in rc2.d too see what is enebled i 'assume' knopic still have a rc2.d |
| 18:04.32 | lhl | http://channels.debian.net/paste/279 is the right url btw, the p was extraneous |
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| 18:04.46 | Chess_man | sepski, I'll look now. Thanks. |
| 18:04.55 | secher | You know, oftentimes, I feel like my life is unduly influenced by forces moving in the dark that are beyond my control. When I'm up to my neck in GNU/Linux, for that all to brief moment, I feel as though I am truly in control of something, as though I have input into the way things work. That sense of freedom is incredible, that sense of understanding is totally gratifying. There are things I understand here, clean and cool, clea |
| 18:05.16 | dondelelcaro | lhl: and what is the output of pwd; ? what filesystem is it? |
| 18:05.17 | pipeline | That feeling will fade |
| 18:05.22 | pipeline | Nothing about UNIX is clean or cool. |
| 18:05.28 | pipeline | You're neck deep in shit and you don't know it yet :P |
| 18:05.38 | Crissi | yesterday i ask how to get my program into debian.. someone would write a mail to the right person for that.. who was it? |
| 18:05.53 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: file an RFP using reportbug. |
| 18:06.14 | dondelelcaro | or, if you're going to package it, request a sponsor from debian-mentors@l.d.o |
| 18:06.37 | lhl | dondelelcaro: well, i'm just running apt-get. i'm guessing this is a cache issue on the dpkg unpack. i don't know where that gets unpacked. i'm assuming /var or /tmp - both of those have gigs free |
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| 18:06.49 | Crissi | i want to get into debian.. im the developer |
| 18:06.52 | dondelelcaro | lhl: no, it uses cwd. |
| 18:07.00 | lhl | i tried sepski's advice to add the cache command but that didn't seem to make a difference |
| 18:07.06 | Crissi | so maybe the first is the right way |
| 18:07.08 | lhl | dondelelcaro: ok, i'm in / |
| 18:07.19 | lhl | which has 3.7G available |
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| 18:07.38 | dondelelcaro | lhl: try some other directory, like /root; |
| 18:07.40 | secher | Pipe, it hasn't faded in 8 years, so I don't think it's going to. It doesn't mean I don't get frustrated when things don't work when I want them to, it simply means I can actually take action to solve the problem, and that is satisfying to the Nth degree. |
| 18:07.46 | lhl | same error in /backup which has 139G |
| 18:08.18 | dondelelcaro | lhl: ok, ls -ld /usr/share/mailman /usr/share/mailman/it |
| 18:08.34 | live | how do i paste without being kicked from irssi-text |
| 18:08.34 | Chess_man | sepski, Thanks for the helpful answer that is exactly what I needed. |
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| 18:08.41 | dondelelcaro | live: you don't. Use the paster bot. |
| 18:08.44 | Chess_man | I've got to run. See ya'll. |
| 18:08.51 | sepski | !tell live about paste |
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| 18:09.16 | paster | "lhl" at 24.30.116.107 pasted "ls" (3 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/280 |
| 18:09.31 | lhl | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/280 |
| 18:09.43 | lhl | oh, ok, i get paster now |
| 18:09.46 | lhl | :) |
| 18:09.56 | lhl | (a bit slow on the uptake here) |
| 18:10.00 | Supaplex | yay for automatons |
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| 18:10.32 | secher | crissi: read this: http://debid.vlsm.org/share/Debian-Doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch-new-maintainer.en.html |
| 18:10.38 | Vamped | how can i change my monitor settings so that it will be able to use 1024x768 mode |
| 18:10.41 | empty | Is there some kind of MSSQL database client (like Enterprise Manager) for linux? |
| 18:10.42 | zoomnap | I can't get any nVidia drivers to install. I have kernel 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 and it says it needs to build the module. I had kernel-headers-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 installed and it built stuff but then said it was wrong and quit. I had kernel-tree-2.6.8 and kernel-source-2.6.8 installed and it said it couldn't find the right things, even when I specified the path. Any ideas? |
| 18:10.44 | Draconicus | Where can I go to get old packages, and how do I install them? |
| 18:10.48 | Crissi | secher: thx |
| 18:10.56 | secher | Enjoy. |
| 18:10.56 | Vamped | i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:10.59 | sepski | Vamped, you cant do much to your monitor except replace it with another |
| 18:11.01 | asg | Draconicus: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 18:11.28 | dondelelcaro | lhl: hrm... run strace -f -o temp apt-get install mailman; and the trace through the tempfile to see where it fails and what file it was trying to create... |
| 18:11.45 | dondelelcaro | lhl: also, the output of mount; will also be useful |
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| 18:11.49 | sepski | Vamped, if you mean X's resolution then the command you tried already, perhaps your using the vesa driver |
| 18:11.50 | Vamped | i dont mean change my actual monitor, i mean the settings, so that it will go into the normal 1024x768 resolution that it does for all other os's |
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| 18:11.59 | Vamped | should i not use vesa? |
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| 18:12.22 | SM2k | "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" is this usually an error one would expect from the us.debian.org servers? |
| 18:12.30 | sepski | Vamped, vesa is a generic driver it workes on allmost anything but with low performance, use the driver for your card |
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| 18:13.11 | lhl | dondelelcaro: going through strace now |
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| 18:13.48 | niksie | I'm trying to make an initrd, but whenver I reboot it says that it can't find the module... |
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| 18:14.30 | paulswm | niksie: which module? |
| 18:14.58 | niksie | ft3xx, its a module for fasttrack cards |
| 18:15.37 | niksie | modprobe: can't locate module ft3xx |
| 18:15.38 | sepski | niksie, add that modules to /etc/mkinitrd/modules to tell mkinitrd to add it |
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| 18:15.54 | niksie | it is included on the ramdisk and in /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 18:16.01 | asg | niksie: put the module in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/initrd and /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/scsi also |
| 18:16.04 | andrew | can sum1 plz help me? i need a numpty guide to mounting usb mass storage devices in debian |
| 18:16.04 | lhl | dondelelcaro: is 100K gettimeofday calls normal? |
| 18:16.13 | asg | andrew: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 18:16.19 | dondelelcaro | lhl: yeah |
| 18:16.30 | niksie | asg: haven't tried that yet |
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| 18:16.51 | asg | niksie: had to do that with some 3rd party qlogic drivers before the initrd would work. |
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| 18:17.11 | sepski | andrew, /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 18:17.13 | empty | andrew, they typically mount as scsi disks |
| 18:17.17 | sepski | !tell andrew about plz |
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| 18:17.53 | andrew | sorry sepski ;) |
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| 18:18.29 | vaka | how can i make debian mount /dev/sda in my /home dir at starup? |
| 18:18.35 | abrotman | why is there another me ? |
| 18:18.45 | zoomnap | I can't get any nVidia drivers to install. I have kernel 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 and it says it needs to build the module. I had kernel-headers-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 installed and it built stuff but then said it was wrong and quit. I had kernel-tree-2.6.8 and kernel-source-2.6.8 installed and it said it couldn't find the right things, even when I specified the path. Any ideas? |
| 18:18.49 | sepski | vakav use the fstab for that |
| 18:19.05 | abrotman | silly me |
| 18:19.25 | zoomnap | sepksi, I've been wondering that too. I have in fstab the line to mount the drive sda1 automatically, but it doesn't do it |
| 18:19.26 | sepski | zoomnap, /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
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| 18:19.54 | sepski | zoomnap, what do you get when you type mount /mountpointyoudefinedinfstab ? |
| 18:19.55 | greycat | vaka: man fstab |
| 18:20.26 | abrotman | they didn't have to give me a cloak .. |
| 18:20.28 | lhl | dondelelcaro: ok, at the end of the stract i'm seeing a log of writes and mremaps. is that what i'm looking for? |
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| 18:20.44 | dondelelcaro | lhl: yes. you want the very end |
| 18:20.49 | SM2k | how out-of-the-norm is the following message from the official debian servers/mirrors? "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" |
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| 18:22.02 | paulswm | I know it's a bit OT here, but, once a module is loaded, is there any significant speed difference between using the module as opposed to compiling it into the kernel? I'm looking for a tradeoff between kernel size and efficiency for a very small, old machine. |
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| 18:22.29 | zoomnap | sepksi, well it's mounted right now, it mounts, but I have to do it manually each time |
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| 18:23.06 | asg | paulswm: once loaded, there shouldn't be any performance effect. |
| 18:23.10 | initech | paulswm: as I understand it, it is the exact same thing |
| 18:23.22 | paster | "lhl" at 24.30.116.107 pasted "strace for apt-get install mailman" (38 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/281 |
| 18:23.35 | paulswm | asg, initech: thanks, I didn't think so, but wasn't sure if the calling mechanism was different |
| 18:24.01 | buht-work | i just loaded debian with a netinst cd and didnt have the IDE HDD plugged in... now that im done ive connected the IDE HDD however my system is not seeing it during boot, since i dont have a kernel to really tweak right now because of the netinst is there anything easy i can do to have the ide devices scanned or do i need to d/l a kernel and set it up |
| 18:24.07 | paster | "lhl" at 24.30.116.107 pasted "mount for system" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/282 |
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| 18:24.48 | James_Ward | Hello, I am doing a fresh install of debian on an old p166 subnotebook. The goal is to get it reliably wireless on madwifi. Last attempt used 2.4 kernel. This time I want to try 2.6. |
| 18:25.19 | asg | James_Ward: how much memory do you have in it? |
| 18:25.22 | Draconicus | How do I install an independant .deb file? |
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| 18:25.24 | James_Ward | Last attempt net would drop, system would lock and kernel would panic. |
| 18:25.28 | paulswm | Then there is no real advantage in compiling into the kernel anything not needed for mounting root, but there are significant advantages to using modules. Thanks guys. |
| 18:25.29 | xtream | guys i have installed my debian sarge from a cd, but i burn this cd when sarge was testing, how can i convert my sarge to stable ? to dont have to update the sources to stable manually every time i add one new |
| 18:25.29 | James_Ward | 32M. |
| 18:25.36 | asg | James_Ward: okay, just checking |
| 18:25.42 | asg | Draconicus: dpkg -i |
| 18:25.55 | Draconicus | Ah. I thought so. |
| 18:26.00 | asg | Draconicus: make sure you know what you are doing, it could wreck your system |
| 18:26.01 | James_Ward | asg, Are you familiar with madwifi and friends? |
| 18:26.08 | zoomnap | the nvidia one-liner sort of worked, but it bailed out and didn't finish. It says I have to reconfigure my kernel not to have rivafb support |
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| 18:26.20 | asg | Draconicus: dpkg -c <deb> and make sure it is putting things in sane places and now overwriting anything. |
| 18:26.28 | asg | James_Ward: no, I'm sorry. |
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| 18:26.41 | James_Ward | Oh, anyone else using madwifi? |
| 18:26.48 | Draconicus | Gyar... |
| 18:26.52 | chrysopa | anybody know a user admin console interface? |
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| 18:27.08 | asg | chrysopa: ssh user@server |
| 18:27.08 | chrysopa | in curse or another interface? |
| 18:27.33 | paulswm | James_Ward: I have a p166MMX, 32MB notebook on which I'm running etch. But I'm using ethernet, becasue my notebook will not run 32 bit cards. I assume yours is happy with a 32 bit wifi card. |
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| 18:27.48 | chrysopa | admin user to add, remove and update users |
| 18:28.04 | James_Ward | paulswm, Well, the card is recognized and works for a while. |
| 18:28.09 | asg | chrysopa: why not use adduser, there aren't many options. |
| 18:28.20 | cmihai | users-admin |
| 18:28.23 | xtream | guys i have installed my debian sarge from a cd, but i burn this cd when sarge was testing, how can i convert my sarge to stable ? to dont have to update the sources to stable manually every time i add one new... someone knows ?! |
| 18:28.24 | James_Ward | paulswm, Is it an either works or doesn't work scenario? |
| 18:28.31 | asg | chrysopa: and most defaults are easily specified in /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 18:29.23 | zoomnap | the nvidia one-liner sort of worked, but it bailed out and didn't finish. It says I have to reconfigure my kernel not to have rivafb support |
| 18:29.35 | cmihai | chrysopa: there's "users-admin", part of "gnome-system-tools". It's GUI, and easy to use. but so is "adduser" |
| 18:29.38 | James_Ward | paulswm, Is it an either works or doesn't work scenario? |
| 18:29.50 | chrysopa | asg, yes, I use adduser, but to add more information or to look about users I need to cat passwd, I looking for a textbased interface do admin users. |
| 18:30.04 | James_Ward | vipw? |
| 18:30.04 | cmihai | vipw. |
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| 18:30.21 | buht-work | do i need anything extra other than "ide-default" to see my ide HDD? |
| 18:30.24 | paulswm | James_Ward: I don't know, unfortunately. I do know that I accidentally bought a 32 bit ethernet card for it, and it wouldn't work, but I don't know whether it is a works-or-not scenario as I realized my mistake on the first boot and ran back to the store. |
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| 18:30.54 | James_Ward | paulswm I have a hard time finding cards with chipsets supported by Linux. |
| 18:30.54 | GlenneMannen | when I use samba and logging in and open a file and change something... then when I'm gonna save it back it says access denied... is there anything wrong with my smb.conf? |
| 18:30.55 | asg | chrysopa: afaik, there isn't one in Debian proper. You could always hack something together using shell and dialog(1) |
| 18:30.57 | chrysopa | I know the GUI admin, but console is more fast |
| 18:31.19 | prodope | i'm getting this error at boot, and i can't mount -t vfat... is this a missing module from the kernel config, or how do i fix it? i need to mount vfat diskettes |
| 18:31.23 | James_Ward | paulswm, But I have an atheros card in another subnotebook running ubuntu nd the wireless works flawlessly. |
| 18:31.23 | chrysopa | asg, tanks |
| 18:31.26 | prodope | Unable to load NLS charset cp437 |
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| 18:31.42 | prodope | FAT: codepage cp437 not found |
| 18:31.49 | asg | prodope: modprobe cp437 |
| 18:31.55 | paulswm | James_Ward: I'm running an unsupported wireless card on another notebook (a Linksys WPC54GS) and it works fine with ndiswrapper, even runs at the boosted speed of 125Mbps |
| 18:32.04 | asg | prodope: or nls_cp437 rather |
| 18:32.06 | petemc | chrysopa: su user -c chfn? |
| 18:32.24 | James_Ward | paulswm, I have a Dell with ndiswrapper and broadcom as well. |
| 18:32.30 | prodope | asg: it's not there... somewhere in the kernel config i have to change it? |
| 18:32.30 | zulkifar | I've read man pppd but not realized what of option controls timeout how long pppN device still be registered after physical link is broken. |
| 18:32.31 | petemc | chrysopa: ahh, nm |
| 18:32.38 | prodope | and recompile? |
| 18:32.40 | asg | prodope: if you compiled your own kernel, yes. |
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| 18:32.47 | prodope | cool, thanks |
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| 18:33.10 | James_Ward | paulswm, Should I use 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? One guy in #madwifi said sarge 2.6 kernel was working for him. |
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| 18:33.38 | Texou | Hi everybody. Could someone help me resolve a big problem with sound please? |
| 18:33.46 | paulswm | James_Ward: My suggestion would be to see if that card works in the Dell. If it does, but you can't get it to work in the p166, then maybe it's a 16/32 bit issue. |
| 18:34.12 | paulswm | James_Ward: I use 2.6 kernels |
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| 18:34.20 | James_Ward | Okay, I'll put the card in this Casio Fiva I'm on presently. |
| 18:34.37 | James_Ward | It's running Ubunut Hoary. |
| 18:34.52 | James_Ward | brb, net will go down. |
| 18:35.06 | Texou | My sound module doesn't load at the starting of system, and neither when I load it by hand. It displays several lines I put on www.pastebin.com/305992 |
| 18:35.19 | paulswm | James_Ward: unfortunately, I don't think you can get 16 bit wireless cards. Another experiment might be to put a 32 bit Ethernet card in it and see if that works, if you have one lying around somewhere. |
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| 18:37.19 | James_Ward | Am I still here? |
| 18:37.30 | rbochan | no |
| 18:37.33 | Texou | James_Ward, yes you are |
| 18:37.36 | prodope | asg: in my kernel config: (437) Default codepage for FAT - it was already picked as an option... |
| 18:37.41 | James_Ward | WOw. |
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| 18:37.51 | James_Ward | Swapped wireless cards. :-) |
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| 18:38.16 | rbochan | just think.. if you were inwinders, you'd have had to reboot |
| 18:38.22 | James_Ward | Okay, this card works great in the Fiva running ubuntu. |
| 18:38.22 | Texou | Will I have to reinstall all my linux? I'm fed up with doing that |
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| 18:38.39 | asg | prodope: yes, did you compile support for the codepage itself, that just instructs fat to use it as a default. |
| 18:39.05 | James_Ward | paulswm, YOu still there? |
| 18:39.10 | paulswm | I'm here :) |
| 18:39.14 | prodope | asg: how do i go about doing that? |
| 18:39.27 | James_Ward | paulswm, How is the best way to install madwifi? |
| 18:39.45 | Nurbs | apt-get? :) |
| 18:39.58 | paulswm | James_Ward: I don't know, I don't use it. |
| 18:40.02 | asg | prodope: Native Language support last section of the Filesystems section in menuconfig |
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| 18:40.40 | Nurbs | James_Ward: I've installed madwifi-source through apt-get and built kernel modules for my custom kernel through make-kpkg |
| 18:41.00 | prodope | asg: ahh, thank you |
| 18:41.23 | Nurbs | James_Ward: see http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi |
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| 18:42.28 | Nurbs | !tell James_Ward about madwifi |
| 18:42.47 | James_Ward | nurbs, thanks |
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| 18:43.39 | ecobit | everytime i ifup eth0 it says "/etc/fetchmailrc not found." but i see no fetchmail in any of the network/*.d/.. scripts |
| 18:44.09 | zulkifar | Anybody knows what pppd option controls timeout how long pppN device still be registered after physical link is broken? |
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| 18:44.42 | Nurbs | ecobit: grep -r fetchmail /etc 2> /dev/null? :) |
| 18:44.44 | ecobit | zulkifar: man pppd and see /etc/ppp/options |
| 18:45.00 | ecobit | Nurbs: yeah i didn't wanna have to do that, but may end up doing it |
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| 18:45.31 | Nurbs | ecobit: it's not really painful, trust me :) |
| 18:46.01 | adapter | http://pastebin.com/306036 here is the link to my resolv.conf squid.conf and dhcpd.conf, on the PCs from the network the host is not resolved anymore...where could be the problem? |
| 18:46.14 | ecobit | Nurbs: i guess /etc is a lot smaller than many other places |
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| 18:46.52 | adapter | what should i check first? |
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| 18:47.14 | ecobit | aha. what is the purpose of resolvconf? |
| 18:47.22 | Texou | someone could tell me if I can find a help anywhere please? A help about the sound on Linux, sound cards, because I'm not able to solpe the problem myself |
| 18:47.40 | gogo3or | hello my enghis is woody :) i shoud be Tomcat's resources or tomcat resources? |
| 18:47.53 | ecobit | adapter: that was not for you, that was for me. i see resolvconf trying to restart fetchmail |
| 18:48.07 | asg | gogo3or: ENOPARSE |
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| 18:48.40 | paulswm | Yes, puzzling. |
| 18:48.55 | PeTeRB | I think I know what it means. |
| 18:48.59 | paulswm | !beer asg |
| 18:48.59 | gogo3or | asg: what? |
| 18:49.04 | asg | my hovercraft is full of eels |
| 18:49.10 | paulswm | HAHAHA |
| 18:49.11 | adapter | ecobit i thought that resolv.conf could have something bad |
| 18:49.16 | Rohtlatco | I don't know where else to ask this... All of a sudden (i.e., spontaneously, as of a few hours ago), vmware stopped starting up, with a gdk error indicating a font problem. At the same time I try, a line appears in /var/log/XFree86.0.log like: FreeType: couldn't open face /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/ds=y:Trebuchet_MS.ttf: 1 |
| 18:49.19 | PeTeRB | asg: Ouch. |
| 18:49.29 | paulswm | Would you like to come back to my place, bouncy bouncy? |
| 18:49.32 | asg | gogo3or: we have no idea at all what you are on about |
| 18:49.34 | Rohtlatco | There exists a symlink in that location linking to what file reports to be a valid truetype font file. |
| 18:49.35 | Supaplex | how long does grub take to probe devices to guess/emulate BIOS stuffs? |
| 18:49.43 | asg | drop your panties Sir William, I cannot wait till lunchtime. |
| 18:49.48 | Supaplex | I'll be, it just finished after 5min. |
| 18:49.58 | rking | Rohtlatco: what about the perms on it? strace your vmware startup |
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| 18:50.29 | Rohtlatco | rking : I can 'cat' the file as a normal user. One moment, I'll install strace. |
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| 18:50.59 | rking | Rohtlatco: there may be a huge amount of output, but when it's done you'll probably be able to see some clues towards the bottom |
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| 18:51.16 | vaka | problem: at startup: special device /dav/sda not found and it's actually mounted at /home ...what's wrong? please help |
| 18:51.18 | rasjark | Hi all |
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| 18:51.31 | vaka | everything looks nice |
| 18:51.36 | vaka | what's with the error? |
| 18:51.59 | asg | vaka: paste the fstab line for /home |
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| 18:52.37 | jim | vaka: could it be that necessary modules are not loaded by the time fstab is read for mounting /home? |
| 18:52.45 | ssp5131 | hi room,,, |
| 18:52.50 | asg | !room |
| 18:52.50 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 18:52.52 | FlopsyPete | I have a USB flash disk saying "ioctl_internal_command: <0 0 0 0> return code = 8000002 : Current: sense key: No Sense". anyone know what I can do about this please? |
| 18:52.54 | jim | but that doesn't explain why it's mounted now |
| 18:53.00 | vaka | /dev/sda /home ext3 defaults,users,exec 00 |
| 18:53.07 | asg | vaka: you can't mount /dev/sda |
| 18:53.18 | asg | vaka: try /dev/sda1 or whatever partition number it is supposed to be |
| 18:53.18 | jim | room, channel, place... why do you have allegiance to irc terminology?? |
| 18:53.39 | vaka | well, i've mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda |
| 18:53.44 | vaka | all the drive |
| 18:53.46 | jim | well actually you can mount /dev/sda IF you don't partition the drive |
| 18:53.54 | ssp5131 | is there any good desktops other than gnome and kde for debian? |
| 18:54.00 | asg | vaka: gah |
| 18:54.01 | vaka | and i've mounted it before rebot |
| 18:54.07 | vaka | it worked that way too |
| 18:54.09 | jim | and you format the DRIVE as opposed to the PARTITION |
| 18:54.12 | Pryon | fvwm2 |
| 18:54.32 | Rohtlatco | rking : I'm not sure what I'm looking for. There's lots of read(4, 0xbfff90a0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)-like lines. |
| 18:54.36 | vaka | is there a problem: /dev/sda /home ext3 defaults,users,exec 0 0 |
| 18:54.44 | Rohtlatco | vaka: That's Not Right. |
| 18:54.47 | jim | ssp5131: maybe a large handful |
| 18:54.51 | Rohtlatco | vaka : Partitions should be created on /dev/sda1, etc. |
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| 18:54.57 | jim | Rohtlatco: sheesh :P |
| 18:55.13 | jim | it doesn't matter as long as he's consistant |
| 18:55.18 | Rohtlatco | I suppose this is true. |
| 18:55.24 | ssp5131 | jim,,, could u give me some details,, |
| 18:55.34 | Rohtlatco | ssp5131 : I use blackbox. |
| 18:55.41 | rking | Rohtlatco: ok, that part, "read(4", means it's reading from descriptor #4, what i do at this point is usually search in reverse starting at the bottom for something like "= 4$" (in vim) |
| 18:55.54 | jim | no, because that would rob you of the pleasure of finding the details yourself :) |
| 18:55.55 | rking | Rohtlatco: but i can tell you what desc 4 probably is: the X server |
| 18:56.07 | jim | besides I don't have time |
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| 18:58.03 | jim | ssp5131: google for x window managers |
| 18:58.12 | Rohtlatco | rking : The last line ending in =4 that's not a write() call is: socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 4 |
| 18:58.26 | jim | figure out what relation they have to x servers and also to x clients |
| 18:58.35 | ssp5131 | ok,, i will try that,, |
| 18:58.36 | jim | figure out what an x server and an x client is |
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| 18:58.41 | jim | man X |
| 18:58.44 | jim | will help |
| 18:58.48 | jim | (NOTE cap) |
| 18:59.31 | jim | (that goes double for anyone here who runs x and doesn't quite understand those relationships; you are ALL in for a surprise) |
| 18:59.37 | FlopsyPete | I have a USB flash disk saying "ioctl_internal_command: <0 0 0 0> return code = 8000002 : Current: sense key: No Sense". anyone know what I can do about this please? |
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| 19:00.43 | jim | FlopsyPete: see if you get anything interesting when you paste that error message into google4 |
| 19:00.47 | rking | Rohtlatco: ahh, hrm... ok, i'll go back on what i said earlier, the X connection is likely to be #3 (0 = stdin, 1 = stdout, 2 = stderr, and the first thing most X apps open is the server)... anyway, i think maybe this #4 stuff is a distraction - try filtering it out with something like: strace -f vmware-whatever 2>&1 | grep -v EAGAIN |
| 19:01.26 | hax | does anyone know of a tool that'll dump a pop3 to the maildir format? |
| 19:01.38 | jim | Rohtlatco: the mount-whole-drive thing is -unusual- but still -possible- and also evidently -been done before- |
| 19:01.43 | kev_ | i'm trying to set up ldap for pam + nis. most of it works but there appears to be an access error with nis. as root i can run 'getent passwd' and it returns the correct users (those from files and ldap), but doing so as a user results in only the users listed in local files being listed. |
| 19:01.47 | rking | hax: fetchmail? |
| 19:01.56 | hax | rking: maybe? |
| 19:02.16 | schrankwand | cu |
| 19:03.06 | FlopsyPete | jim: I get 4 results, none of which are in English. I tried searching on 'sense' etcetera but got all sorts of answers that seemed to say there's a problem with the controller, but I've tried it on 3 different controllers. which is why I came here. |
| 19:03.15 | Rohtlatco | rking : Nothing jumps out at me. If it helps, I get the same behaviour from xfontsel on the local box if I select any of several foundries. (I.e., microsoft, bigelow, etc.) |
| 19:03.28 | rking | Rohtlatco: ahh, interesting |
| 19:03.34 | rking | Rohtlatco: try the strace on xfontsel, then |
| 19:03.36 | Rohtlatco | FlopsyPete : Is the usb widget known to work? |
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| 19:03.45 | jim | hax: fetchmail I think it grabs mail over pop and then passes it to your local smtp which then decides what to do with it (one possible default is for your local smtp server (aka mail server) to deliver into mbox form) |
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| 19:03.49 | Rohtlatco | rking : Yeah, looking at it now. |
| 19:04.09 | jim | hax: at least fetchmail does it this way by default... |
| 19:04.16 | jim | other things are possible |
| 19:04.28 | hax | jim: intriguing |
| 19:04.30 | jim | but split up this way can be taken advantage of |
| 19:04.31 | rking | Rohtlatco: can upload the output to rafb.net/paste ? i'm curious now |
| 19:04.53 | Rohtlatco | rking : Let me generate a file. |
| 19:05.12 | jim | let me file a generation! |
| 19:05.13 | FlopsyPete | Rohtlatco: with Linux? I haven't been able to find it on linuxhardware.net. Or in and of itself? it works in Windows XP |
| 19:05.41 | gentgeen__ | scripting question, "tail -n 1" will show me the last line, but what if I want the next to last line? |
| 19:05.56 | Rohtlatco | gentgeen__ : tail -2 | head -n 1 ? |
| 19:06.08 | FlopsyPete | I have an 8in1 flash card reader that used to work, with an earlier Debian kernel, that now gives similar errors |
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| 19:06.34 | Rohtlatco | FlopsyPete : Newer kernels have been giving me problems with USB at home. |
| 19:06.49 | jim | gentgeen__: you can get any line or any number of lines, offset from the beginning or end of the file |
| 19:06.58 | FlopsyPete | Rohtlatco: I think the 8in1 last worked with 2.6.7 |
| 19:07.17 | jim | gentgeen__: Rohtlatco has given you one specific instance of the form of that |
| 19:07.36 | Rohtlatco | rking : http://people.physics.tamu.edu/pdbogen/xfontsel.strace |
| 19:07.44 | gentgeen__ | Rohtlatco, looks like that will work |
| 19:07.57 | gentgeen__ | Not exactly pretty, but will work :-) |
| 19:07.59 | Rohtlatco | Ooh, I have a better one. |
| 19:08.07 | jim | that's the way it's done :P |
| 19:08.29 | jim | that ugliness you perceive is how you have to solve certain problems |
| 19:08.40 | Rohtlatco | perl -e "while(<>) {push @lines, $_;} print $lines[ $#lines-1 ]; |
| 19:08.43 | Rohtlatco | " |
| 19:08.52 | Rohtlatco | Or maybe -2. I can't remember if $# is the last index or the number of elements. |
| 19:09.02 | gentgeen__ | lol |
| 19:09.22 | gentgeen__ | what I want is the next to last line of the output 'ps -o comm' |
| 19:09.40 | gentgeen__ | since when you do it in an xterm, ps is always last, I need the one right before it |
| 19:09.44 | Rohtlatco | I think tail -2 | head -n 1 is really the best way. |
| 19:09.54 | greycat | gentgeen__: grep -v grep |
| 19:09.56 | jim | Rohtlatco: or perl -e '@lines = <>; print $lines[ $#lines-1 ];' |
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| 19:09.59 | greycat | gentgeen__: or "man pgrep" |
| 19:10.00 | gentgeen__ | sooo ps -o comm | tail -n 2 | head -n 1 is gonna do the trick |
| 19:10.06 | ricosuave17 | if ur a teen join #linuxforums-teens |
| 19:10.23 | Rohtlatco | ~ur |
| 19:10.30 | Rohtlatco | !ur |
| 19:10.31 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 19:10.34 | greycat | "gentgeen__> since when you do it in an xterm, ps is always last," <-- sheer nonsense. |
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| 19:11.04 | gentgeen__ | Just by experimenting, that is what I seem to get ... |
| 19:11.05 | greycat | just wait until your PIDs wrap around. |
| 19:11.14 | greycat | they're sorted by PID by default. |
| 19:11.21 | kev_ | can anyone suggest why root can run getent passwd and get proper results from an ldap database while non-root users can not? |
| 19:11.28 | asuffield | my pids wrap around about once a week |
| 19:11.38 | Rohtlatco | kev_ : Because you have root binding to LDAP as an administrator and not normal users? |
| 19:11.55 | jim | ricosuave17: I've asked lilo to speak to you about network policy |
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| 19:12.47 | jim | which he may or may not have time for, so someone else might contact you instead... or not |
| 19:13.01 | kev_ | Rohtlatco: in /etc/libnss-ldap.conf I've commented out the rootbindn option. the same situation exists. |
| 19:13.07 | Rohtlatco | jim: You sound like the cable company. |
| 19:13.22 | jim | Rohtlatco: I meant to do that :P |
| 19:13.33 | kev_ | Rohtlatco: is there some way to force pam or nis to "reload" the config files? or are the config files consulted on every request? |
| 19:13.43 | Rohtlatco | kev_ : I think they're checked every time. |
| 19:13.49 | greycat | jim: can I get my 7th grade english teachers to speak to him about spelling? |
| 19:13.51 | Rohtlatco | kev_ : You know PAM uses different files though, right? |
| 19:14.10 | Rohtlatco | greycat : By seventh grade we had finished with grammar. |
| 19:14.16 | Rohtlatco | greycat : I think you need to go farther back. :/ |
| 19:14.25 | jim | "you just did something that might violate network policy... I've passed the buck to someone else... now it's out of -my- hands... k thx bi" |
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| 19:14.37 | kev_ | Rohtlatco: yes. i've configured pam_ldap.conf in a similar manner as libnss-ldap.conf. i'm able to authenticate as a user stored in ldap but none of the group listings (or even that user's own uid) is able to be found. |
| 19:14.48 | Rohtlatco | Hmmm. |
| 19:14.52 | Rohtlatco | I used to have these problems. |
| 19:15.00 | Rohtlatco | Let me think. |
| 19:15.09 | gin_ | how can i agree to my floppy and cdrom, to my desktop icon.. |
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| 19:15.23 | Rohtlatco | kev_ : (Don't take offense to any of these questions...) Are you double-plus-sure there's no typos in your ldap config files? That bit me in the ass once. |
| 19:15.56 | Rohtlatco | gin_ : I don't think agree is the word you want.. If there's a language you're more proficient in, there may be a better #debian for you. |
| 19:16.15 | bobwJek | anyone know the lastest debian release of SSH d |
| 19:16.15 | rking | Rohtlatco: readv(3, [{"6-bigelow-luximono-bold-o-normal"..., 8164} ...is that the font you were going for, or just the one it started with? |
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| 19:16.24 | kev_ | Rohtlatco: (no offense taken -- thank you for the help!) i'm quite sure the config files are ok as i've adopted them from an existing setup that used to work flawlessly. i find it particularly strange that root can get info from ldap whereas other users can't |
| 19:16.29 | Rohtlatco | rking : Just the first one. |
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| 19:16.43 | Rohtlatco | kev_ : Indeed. Are the permissions funky on the files? |
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| 19:16.57 | rking | Rohtlatco: btw sorry i didn't get back to you sooner - i was in the scrollback and (apparently) xchat doesn't turn the tab-nick-highlighting on when you're in scrollback |
| 19:17.04 | rasjark | hi all, i va an issue with my partition, when i make cfdisk, it show me only a 30go free space and don't see my ext3, reiserfs and hfs+ partitions. |
| 19:17.25 | gin_ | Rohtlatco, well.. put on the desktop |
| 19:17.25 | Rohtlatco | kev_ : libnss-ldap should be 644. |
| 19:17.33 | Rohtlatco | gin_ : What WM? |
| 19:17.37 | Rohtlatco | rking : No worries. |
| 19:17.42 | kev_ | Rohtlatco: ack! that's exactly the problem! |
| 19:17.49 | kev_ | Rohtlatco: i'm an idiot. |
| 19:17.52 | rasjark | so if anyone has already had this problem.. |
| 19:17.55 | Supaplex | so to setup grub, all I need to run from a grub prompt (Assuming /dev/hda3 is /boot) >root (hd0,2) >setup (hd0,2) >quit - right? |
| 19:18.03 | Rohtlatco | kev_ : I mis-spelled 'physics' and spent several hours troubleshooting. :P I think you'll be okay. |
| 19:18.15 | Draconicus | Okay, I recently tried upgrading GNOME. I'm on testing. One of the packages was corrupt or something, and now all of GNOME is screwed to hell. I've tried installing older packages, but I can't get a matching set (all the same version) because snapshot.debian.net recently had a major file loss. What do I do?! |
| 19:18.20 | Rohtlatco | Supaplex : Why don't you just use update-grub? |
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| 19:18.26 | Rohtlatco | Supaplex : And grub-install? |
| 19:18.36 | gin_ | Rohtlatco, what mean WM ? |
| 19:18.45 | Rohtlatco | gin_ : Window Manager. Gnome or KDE? |
| 19:18.50 | kev_ | Rohtlatco: i've been battling with this on and off for 4 days now. i can't believe i didn't check permissions. |
| 19:18.57 | gin_ | gnome |
| 19:18.58 | rking | Rohtlatco: can you run it again, but with -s9999 passed into strace, so we can see some of these strings? btw, you might want to install the perl modules Clibpard and WebService::NoPaste, because the latter has a script, "nopaste", that will post to the nopaste urls from the command line - you can just pipe the output into it |
| 19:19.22 | Draconicus | I meant updating, not upgrading. |
| 19:19.23 | Rohtlatco | rking : It's no problem to me to put it on a web page, if you don't mind reading it like that. |
| 19:19.28 | kev_ | Rohtlatco: thank you so much for the help |
| 19:19.28 | jez_ | Does anybody else ever have a problem where occasionally X starts and fonts are all too big? Usually restarting X once or twice fixes it, but it's a strange problem... Am I the only one? |
| 19:19.33 | rking | oh, that's totally fine |
| 19:19.43 | Eno_ | does anyone know if it is possible to do this: have a graphical program like xchat running on a remote linux computer, and from windows be able to make sure of that program individually? (not the whole desktop like vnc, just that program) |
| 19:19.43 | Rohtlatco | kev_ : I accept payment in beer and monies. |
| 19:20.04 | kev_ | Rohtlatco: if you're in the southern ontario region i'd be happy to oblige |
| 19:20.06 | lepetit | hi all, i have a problem with vnc and debian. when i connect to my debian box with vnc some applications like firefox have black images. all the buttons, etc. are black |
| 19:20.10 | gin_ | Rohtlatco, its Gnome. |
| 19:20.25 | Rohtlatco | kev_ : Ontario... That's one of them counties in north Texas, right? |
| 19:20.27 | Draconicus | Eno: No. I highly doubt it. You need to be running X remotely as well. |
| 19:20.29 | bahamat | Eno_: get an x server |
| 19:20.33 | Draconicus | Oh. |
| 19:20.41 | Rohtlatco | gin_ : I actually don't know the answer to your question.. I was just trying to guide you to ask a better question. :) |
| 19:20.44 | kev_ | Rohtlatco: you're joking, right? |
| 19:20.48 | Draconicus | Shows how much I know... Sorry, Eno_. |
| 19:20.48 | bahamat | Eno_: there are x xervers that run on windows |
| 19:20.56 | Rohtlatco | kev_ : Yeah. |
| 19:21.02 | valdyn | Eno_: you cannot practically move a program from 1 x-server to another. |
| 19:21.16 | Draconicus | I'm going to take a guess and assume nobody can help me. |
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| 19:21.25 | Rohtlatco | rking : Sam URL. |
| 19:21.26 | Draconicus | I want to switch to stable from testing. How can I do that? |
| 19:21.28 | Eno_ | valdyn: ah :( |
| 19:21.32 | kev_ | Rohtlatco: in any case, if you are in this area i'll buy you 10 beers |
| 19:21.42 | Rohtlatco | kev_ : I'll make it a point to visit one day. |
| 19:21.57 | jez_ | Can anybody explain why occasionally (quite rarely) I'll start X and all the fonts are too big? Usually restarting X fixes it, but can anybody suggest a cause? |
| 19:22.13 | Draconicus | jez_: Fix your resolution. |
| 19:22.14 | gin_ | Rohtlatco, I want put an icon in my Desktop, of Floppy and CD-RW |
| 19:22.32 | Rohtlatco | gin_ : I understand what your question is. I don't know the answer; I use blackbox, which doesn't have a desktop. |
| 19:22.38 | bahamat | jez_: it's choosing 100 dpi fonts over 75 dpi fonts? |
| 19:22.43 | Rohtlatco | gin_ : You might try asking in #gnome |
| 19:22.58 | gin_ | Rohtlatco, right ty. |
| 19:23.02 | Seb | Draconicus: you can't |
| 19:23.08 | bahamat | gin_: when you mount them it shows up on your desktop |
| 19:23.14 | Draconicus | Seb: Why not? |
| 19:23.23 | Seb | Draconicus: because downgrading is not supported |
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| 19:23.41 | jez_ | bahamat: Possibly... That sounds likely I suppose. They're bigger than usual. Possibly 100dpi, but I'm not certain. It could just be increasing the font size. |
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| 19:23.47 | bahamat | Seb: not support is not the same as not possible |
| 19:23.48 | sbk | Any smartd users? I'm noticing the Power_on_Hours reducing over time -- the name per-se seems like it should increase :-) what the heck does this attribute really mean? |
| 19:24.10 | Seb | Draconicus: unless you have "sarge" in your sources.list, as opposed to having "testing". In this case, you haven't gotten any of etch yet, so you should be fine |
| 19:24.20 | Seb | bahamat: it's technically almost impossible though |
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| 19:24.28 | bahamat | Seb: no it's not |
| 19:24.36 | Rohtlatco | sbk : I think that's the amount of time the drive has left. |
| 19:25.01 | Seb | bahamat: good, feel free to help Draconicus with this simple change then |
| 19:25.19 | sbk | Rohtlatco: wow, really? (it says right now about 110 hours left) |
| 19:25.19 | bahamat | Seb: I didn't say it was simple either |
| 19:25.23 | valdyn | Rohtlatco: according to what? S.M.A.R.T cannot predict failure. |
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| 19:25.31 | rking | Rohtlatco: i'm not convinced that it's not just a corrupt file - try copying it out of the way, and putting a working ttf file in its place (same name) |
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| 19:25.40 | Rohtlatco | valdyn : Perhaps a rated duration in the drive firmware? |
| 19:25.40 | bahamat | Draconicus: it's dangerous, but not hard |
| 19:25.43 | Seb | bahamat: k |
| 19:25.59 | Draconicus | Bahamat: Would this change the GNOME packages that are being installed? |
| 19:26.11 | bahamat | Draconicus: maybe |
| 19:26.27 | bahamat | Draconicus: it depends on which ones are in stable as opposed to testing |
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| 19:26.58 | ricosuave17 | stupid Pinguin |
| 19:27.52 | sbk | Rohtlatco: well, it doesn't reduce that number every hour, thank heavens :-) |
| 19:28.28 | Rohtlatco | rking : I don't think that's it.. Or, at least, it's corruption on a massive scale. :) I can't seem to pick a true type font that works... Could it be something in the way that it's asking for it? I.e., the ds=y:ai=0.4: stuff at the beginning of the log entry in XFree86.0.log might not be getting interpreted correctly? |
| 19:28.44 | Rohtlatco | sbk : Maybe it's the amount of time the drive can physically run? |
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| 19:29.30 | Draconicus | bahamat: Well, I can't get a complete set of older dependancy packages for gnome-core, gnome-panel, gnome-panel-data, and the like. (gnome-panel-data is the cause of this problem, by the way). From the looks of it, I don't like the latest version of GNOME, either. What can I do to restore my old version? Am I screwed until snapshot.debian.net is fixed? |
| 19:29.48 | LabThug | ok, I need to rebuild my debian kernel to enable PAE, where is the HOWTO that discusses that? |
| 19:29.50 | sbk | Rohtlatco: hmm. Well, the machine has been running about 236 days now, and presumably the drive hasn't stopped spinning during that time. |
| 19:29.59 | bahamat | Draconicus: if I were you I'd stop using GNOME |
| 19:30.06 | sbk | Rohtlatco: the number appears to reduce by 1 roughly every 2-3 days |
| 19:30.09 | bahamat | Draconicus: that's also what I would do if I were me, which is what I did |
| 19:30.11 | Rohtlatco | sbk: Yeah, but, like, it hasn't been doing heavy reads that entire time, yes? |
| 19:30.22 | Rohtlatco | sbk: I'm thinking it's like the number of hours spent actually seeking and reading from the drive. |
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| 19:30.34 | Draconicus | bahamat: I like gnome. It is the best GUI I've used, and I've tried nearly all of them. |
| 19:30.35 | sbk | Rohtlatco: ah. interesting |
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| 19:30.55 | foo | How can I turn off apm in debian? |
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| 19:31.03 | bahamat | Draconicus: but downgrading is not guaranteed to solve your problems, dangerous and unsupported |
| 19:31.03 | Draconicus | It's extremely functional, and decent on its resource use, considering all of the things it runs. |
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| 19:31.29 | Rohtlatco | Draconicus : GNOME is functional and decent on resource usage?! |
| 19:31.35 | rking | Rohtlatco: that sounds reasonable - do you have any clues whatsoever about what might have changed? |
| 19:32.03 | Rohtlatco | rking : None whatsoever. I was using vmware.. I left to go help a prof with his laptop, can back and tried to start it again. |
| 19:32.07 | bahamat | Draconicus: you can use gnome applications without using the gnome core (panel/nautilus) |
| 19:32.15 | CosmoDad | foo: permanently: remove it from the kernel, temporarily: add a switch to your boot loader, remove apmd... |
| 19:32.31 | rking | Rohtlatco: are you on stable? |
| 19:32.37 | Draconicus | Rohtlatco: For me it is. Apparently its performance varies. |
| 19:32.43 | Rohtlatco | rking : Unstable. |
| 19:32.50 | Draconicus | bahamat: The panel is the problem! |
| 19:33.24 | Draconicus | The panel itself is not installing correctly, and won't function correctly. |
| 19:33.29 | bahamat | Draconicus: like I said, you don't need the panel |
| 19:33.40 | pipatron | Hey there haxx0rz. I want to apply the 'badram' patch for my kernel in debian, but the patch supplied in the debian apt sources are only for kernel version 2.6.5, and the actual kernel source seem to be 2.6.8.. Is there any way to get the debian kernel sources for 2.6.5? |
| 19:33.57 | pipatron | error403: Please don't use awaynicks/awaymessages, read http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html for reasons. |
| 19:34.01 | Draconicus | bahamat: The panel is one of the things I like most. Its layout is very convenient. Everything else I've used is awkward and slow to work with. |
| 19:34.05 | CosmoDad | foo: I think on grub you just need to add "apm=off" to your kernel line |
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| 19:34.15 | bahamat | pipatron: kernel.org |
| 19:34.16 | foo | CosmoDad: how do I add a switch? |
| 19:34.27 | Rohtlatco | rking : Just in case, I re-fetched the msttcorefonts (moved the old folder away, re-ran update-ms-fonts), and it didn't change anything. |
| 19:34.34 | CosmoDad | foo: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 19:34.37 | Rohtlatco | (In case it really was large-scale corruption) |
| 19:34.40 | bahamat | Draconicus: well, whatever |
| 19:34.47 | foo | CosmoDad: Yes, but apm is not in there |
| 19:34.49 | pipatron | bahamat: But doesn't debian have some special 'debianized' kernel? |
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| 19:35.00 | Rohtlatco | pipatron : There's two answers to that. |
| 19:35.03 | cmihai | Wow. |
| 19:35.07 | grigora | I have an mdadm RAID1 array but both drives have incorrect checksums, anyone knows how to repair this? thanks |
| 19:35.16 | CosmoDad | foo: you have to add "apm=off" to each "kernel" line of the grub entries you have |
| 19:35.16 | bahamat | Draconicus: probably the best thing for you to do is wait for the packages to get fixed, but if you really want to downgrade and are extremely foolhearty I'll tell you how |
| 19:35.17 | Rohtlatco | pipatron : Debian adds some patches to the kernel. Also, 'debianized' kernels are compiled to .DEBs. |
| 19:35.23 | Borg^Queen | Hey anyone familiar with hotplug problems? I have a usbstik but debian only sees if I boot with it plugged in. If I don't, it doesn't see it when I plug the stik in. |
| 19:35.24 | cmihai | Updated to Sid, like 500 packages, _everything_ went smooth and great. No problems :) |
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| 19:35.32 | Borg^Queen | I'm on Sarge r0a |
| 19:35.34 | Rohtlatco | grigora : Wouldn't that mean that both drives got corrupted? |
| 19:35.46 | CosmoDad | foo: I'm sure there's a global way of disabling it (possibly just by adding "apm=off" in the generic section of menu.lst), but I don't know for sure |
| 19:35.50 | Rohtlatco | Borg^Queen : Wha thappens if you plug it in and do: modprobe usb-storage ? |
| 19:35.53 | pipatron | Rohtlatco: So if I download the kernel from kernel.org, I wouldn't get the debian patches, and thus it would break my system? :) |
| 19:35.58 | grigora | Rohtlatco: I suppose, so are you saying there isn't a way around? |
| 19:36.05 | CosmoDad | foo: i.e.: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro apm=off |
| 19:36.06 | foo | CosmoDad: Thanks, trying that. |
| 19:36.08 | Borg^Queen | Rohtlatco: thanks didn't think to try that |
| 19:36.09 | bahamat | pipatron: you don't need to use a debian linux kernel and you don't even need to use a linux kernel for that matter |
| 19:36.12 | foo | CosmoDad: Yeah, got it. Thanks again |
| 19:36.14 | Rohtlatco | pipatron : That's two questions. Yes, it wouldn't have the patches. No, it wouldn't break your system. |
| 19:36.17 | CosmoDad | foo: welcome |
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| 19:36.23 | Rohtlatco | grigora : If my assessment is correct, yes. |
| 19:36.32 | Draconicus | bahamat: I'd rather wait, in all honesty, but this is a major inconvenience. |
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| 19:36.39 | Borg^Queen | Rohtlatco: nothing seems to happen |
| 19:36.43 | Borg^Queen | it returns the cl |
| 19:36.44 | bahamat | Draconicus: thems the breaks |
| 19:36.56 | grigora | Rohtlatco: so there is no fsck type utility for RAID? |
| 19:37.00 | Rohtlatco | Borg^Queen : Check dmesg ? |
| 19:37.02 | pipatron | Rohtlatco: Do you know if the debian modifications to the kernel are documented somewhere (or rather, *where* they are documented) |
| 19:37.11 | Draconicus | bahamat: I may be able to successfully install it all from source if you tell me how to compile from source with dependancies. |
| 19:37.13 | rking | Rohtlatco: wow. well.. let me get msttcorefonts and do some looking on my end (where do you get them, btw?) |
| 19:37.17 | Rohtlatco | grigora : RAID is kind of like saying "Harddrive". You'd fsck the filesystems. |
| 19:37.21 | bahamat | pipatron: they aren't necessary |
| 19:37.32 | rbochan | rking: apt-get instal msttcorefonts |
| 19:37.36 | Rohtlatco | pipatron : I don't know where. |
| 19:37.39 | Rohtlatco | rking : Yeah, what rbochan said. |
| 19:37.46 | bahamat | Draconicus: are the sources you're getting debian sources? |
| 19:37.48 | pipatron | bahamat: alright, I guess I have to trust you on that :) |
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| 19:37.50 | rbochan | except on Sid, they're busted |
| 19:37.57 | Rohtlatco | rbochan : Busted how? |
| 19:37.59 | Draconicus | bahamat: Yes. |
| 19:38.04 | bahamat | pipatron: I've done it at least a hundred times |
| 19:38.07 | rbochan | none of the downloading of the fonts works |
| 19:38.24 | rbochan | and the latest packages doesnt' ask about a local folder for them |
| 19:38.25 | Borg^Queen | doesn't seem to say much |
| 19:38.27 | Rohtlatco | rbochan : Worked fine 5 minutes ago. |
| 19:38.28 | bahamat | Draconicus: then in the source tree just run `debian/rules binary` and wait for the compile to finish |
| 19:38.38 | rbochan | so I grabbed them myself and used the older pacakges, which does ask a bout a local folder |
| 19:38.50 | pipatron | bahamat: Oka, thanks. I'm quite new to kernel compiling in general so I'm just afraid I'll break it. I'll try with an 'official' kernel. |
| 19:38.53 | jim | Rohtlatco: -sometimes- you can find info about breakage in bug tracking system :) |
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| 19:39.05 | Borg^Queen | the kernel is a 2.6.x |
| 19:39.06 | rbochan | Rohtlatco: I haven't been able to get the latest package to work ina while now |
| 19:39.19 | Rohtlatco | rbochan : *shrugs* I literally ran it 5 minutes ago and it went without a hitch. |
| 19:39.19 | jim | Borg^Queen: lack of statement seems irrelevent |
| 19:39.23 | rbochan | weird |
| 19:39.25 | VivekVC | could you guide me to a good howto for debian firwalls ? |
| 19:39.26 | bahamat | pipatron: compiling a new kernel is only scary once or twice, after that you realize that it's actually very easy to do |
| 19:39.35 | Borg^Queen | jim? |
| 19:39.36 | rbochan | even weirder, I can access the download sites it uses |
| 19:39.37 | Rohtlatco | bahamat : Fun, even. |
| 19:39.40 | grigora | Rohtlatco: the thing is that I can mount both drives separately and they both have data on them, so I would image there would be some utility that would reconcile the 2 drives and rebuilt the RAID metadata |
| 19:39.51 | jim | that must have been a wishywashy borg thing to say :) |
| 19:39.52 | Draconicus | bahamat: What? How would that work? Is that even a command? How would I relate that to the source files? |
| 19:39.52 | VivekVC | Thanks in advance. |
| 19:39.56 | bahamat | VivekVC: that's a rather ambiguous question...what kind of info are you looking for in particular |
| 19:39.56 | Rohtlatco | grigora : What did you mount them with? |
| 19:40.03 | grigora | a boot CD |
| 19:40.05 | bahamat | Draconicus: it works ;-) |
| 19:40.17 | Rohtlatco | grigora : A drive that is part of a RAID shouldn't be mountable on its own. |
| 19:40.19 | Draconicus | bahamat: How do I relate that to the source files? |
| 19:40.19 | bahamat | Draconicus: the debian packages are built using the deb build system |
| 19:40.23 | Rohtlatco | Unless like, it's a RAID1. |
| 19:40.27 | grigora | Rohtlatco: but this is RAID1 |
| 19:40.34 | Rohtlatco | Oh. |
| 19:40.35 | Draconicus | Right... but... the source. How? |
| 19:40.44 | bahamat | Draconicus: inside of the source tree for every package is a debian directory with scripts that will configure and compile the package for you |
| 19:40.48 | Draconicus | OH! |
| 19:40.51 | Borg^Queen | is there a way to get the mod for the usbstik to load regardless of presence? |
| 19:40.51 | Draconicus | Okay. |
| 19:41.02 | VivekVC | bahamat: I am looking for a firewall to protect my single workstation at home running debian gnu/linux sarge connected via a cable modem to an always on connection. |
| 19:41.04 | jim | VivekVC: the mechanism for firewalls is often in the kernel... the specification is the rules you or some package writes |
| 19:41.12 | Draconicus | Must murder X-Chat, now. |
| 19:41.12 | Rohtlatco | grigora : Pick the drive that has the right stuff on it, build the RAID array in degraded mode with that drive, wipe the old one and add it to the array. |
| 19:41.26 | VivekVC | jim: i know, iptables. |
| 19:41.31 | bahamat | Draconicus: so if you download the sources from debian, just cd to the source dir and run `debian/rules binary`, when it's finished you'll have a freshly baked .deb file that you can install with dpkg |
| 19:41.35 | Rohtlatco | VivekVC : Why do you need a firewall? |
| 19:41.41 | bobwJek | how do i know what distrobution i am at??? |
| 19:41.41 | Rohtlatco | VivekVC : Just don't run the stuff you don't want running. |
| 19:41.51 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : Check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:41.52 | rbochan | or install guarddog |
| 19:41.54 | PeTeRB | Draconicus: /msg dpkg source |
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| 19:42.12 | bahamat | VivekVC: are you running any servers on it? |
| 19:42.12 | Rohtlatco | bahamat : Don't say baked. I skipped lunch working on the mail server. :/ |
| 19:42.23 | bahamat | Rohtlatco: ok |
| 19:42.35 | Rohtlatco | He he. |
| 19:42.39 | bahamat | Rohtlatco: they're not baked, they're sauteed |
| 19:42.43 | Rohtlatco | Bastard. |
| 19:42.46 | mutilator | sour cream |
| 19:43.05 | mutilator | butter |
| 19:43.06 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, It has stable main non-free contrib in there |
| 19:43.07 | mutilator | cheese |
| 19:43.08 | mutilator | o man |
| 19:43.09 | Spec | hmm, that reminds me, food. |
| 19:43.12 | mutilator | now i'm hungry |
| 19:43.12 | PeTeRB | !start a food fight |
| 19:43.12 | dpkg | turkey is not tasty |
| 19:43.16 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : SO you're on stable. Which is Sarge. |
| 19:43.22 | Rohtlatco | mutilator : Eating a baked potato, are you? |
| 19:43.45 | VivekVC | Rohtlatco: I was severely nuked and i am in the process of reinstalling debian, I have installed portsentry and also ipmasq with its default settings. I know that iptables is the way to go as far as firewalling is concerned. Being new to debian firewalling i would like to find a url that a firewalling beginner like me can refer to. |
| 19:43.46 | Rohtlatco | !start a holy war |
| 19:43.46 | dpkg | Microsoft sux0rz |
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| 19:44.11 | Rohtlatco | VivekVC : iptables is the kernel mechanism for dropping packets before they reach software, or rerouting them. |
| 19:44.11 | b00 | !linux |
| 19:44.11 | dpkg | linux is, like, closed |
| 19:44.14 | Borg^Queen | so I take it now one knows |
| 19:44.33 | Spec | !GNU/Linux |
| 19:44.33 | Rohtlatco | Borg^Queen : Sorry, what was the question? |
| 19:44.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, gnu/linux is the GNU system running with the Linux kernel or the choice of the GNU generation, or ask me about "linux-and-gnu" and "why-gnu-linux" |
| 19:44.52 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, but my ssh version is way old, it says 3.4p1 Debian 1:3.4p101.woody.3 |
| 19:44.57 | VivekVC | bahamat: i have used tasksel to choose the desktop environment and also the mail server, so i recon this system is running a mail server. |
| 19:45.03 | Borg^Queen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.06 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : Have you run: dselect update && apt-get dist-upgrade recently? |
| 19:45.08 | Borg^Queen | Hot plug isn't working |
| 19:45.17 | jim | VivekVC: ipmasq is good for setting up something basic (which it does by default, assuming the machine you're installing on is a gateway router) |
| 19:45.41 | jim | VivekVC: it works by composing a set of firewall rules for your interfaces |
| 19:45.41 | Rohtlatco | Borg^Queen : Is hotplug installed? :D If it's not working, you should Fix That. |
| 19:45.49 | rbochan | VivekVC: check this out... http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/gen/ |
| 19:45.51 | Borg^Queen | It is installed |
| 19:45.53 | bahamat | VivekVC: why do you want to run a mail server on your local box? |
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| 19:46.06 | Rohtlatco | Borg^Queen : Are you running a debian kernel? |
| 19:46.17 | VivekVC | bahamat: in fact as we are talking the desktop environment is getting installed it says 8 hours or so to finish installation. |
| 19:46.21 | Rohtlatco | Borg^Queen : (If you add the module name to /etc/modules it will be loaded on boot every time, regardless) |
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| 19:46.29 | Borg^Queen | Rohtlatco: Hmm I don't think so on this machine |
| 19:46.29 | jim | so don't just go adding rules... because ipmasq also adds rules... so they could interact, or your rules could have no effect |
| 19:46.37 | Rohtlatco | Borg^Queen : Does the kernel have hotplug support compiled in, then? |
| 19:46.52 | Borg^Queen | I need to check what kernel they installed here |
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| 19:47.06 | Borg^Queen | What module handles usb devices? |
| 19:47.17 | Rohtlatco | Borg^Queen : Do: zcat /proc/config.gz | grep HOTPLUG |
| 19:47.20 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, i just ran dselect update , how is this different from apt-get update? |
| 19:47.21 | Rohtlatco | And see if that produces something meaningful. |
| 19:47.21 | Borg^Queen | thanks |
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| 19:47.32 | VivekVC | jim: mine is a workstation at home connected to the net via a linksys modem. |
| 19:47.35 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : I don't know. But you realize that 'update' doesn't actually upgrade packages, it just updates the list, right? |
| 19:47.41 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, yes |
| 19:47.46 | Rohtlatco | Okay, just checking. ;) |
| 19:47.53 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, when i do apt-get upgrade is says 0 |
| 19:47.54 | PeTeRB | Rohtlatco: man zgrep |
| 19:47.56 | jim | VivekVC: then ipmasq doesn't apply to you |
| 19:47.58 | Borg^Queen | no such file or dir is what I get back |
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| 19:48.08 | VivekVC | rbochan: thanks |
| 19:48.08 | Rohtlatco | PeTeRB : Neat. |
| 19:48.14 | Rohtlatco | Borg^Queen : Yeah, that isn't always compiled in. |
| 19:48.14 | rbochan | good lcuk |
| 19:48.18 | rbochan | uck even |
| 19:48.18 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, and cat /etc/debian_vesions = 3.1 |
| 19:48.20 | rbochan | ack |
| 19:48.24 | rbochan | stupid fingers |
| 19:48.32 | VivekVC | jim: then what sort of protection do you suggest that i put in place ? |
| 19:48.38 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : What happens when you run: apt-get install ssh ? |
| 19:48.42 | Borg^Queen | Rohtlatco: So if I dump their kernel and install a debian kernel it should work? |
| 19:48.57 | jim | ipmasq should really be factored... the general framework it creates and defines is good to define general routers |
| 19:48.57 | Rohtlatco | Borg^Queen : Yes, only by virtue of debian kernels having everything-and-the-kitchen-sink builtin. |
| 19:48.57 | VivekVC | i already how portsentry running and then as i said ipmasq with logcheck. |
| 19:48.59 | Falc | The SID-version of Debian is the most current version, right? |
| 19:49.01 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, "sorry, ssh is already the newest version" |
| 19:49.01 | Yokalosh | can somebody please help me with usb mass storage devices in kernal 2.4 |
| 19:49.05 | Rohtlatco | Falc: Perpetually. |
| 19:49.11 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek: How about dpkg -l ssh ? |
| 19:49.12 | VivekVC | jim: ok |
| 19:49.27 | Borg^Queen | Rohtlatco: good I need the kitchen sink |
| 19:49.30 | Yokalosh | anybody? |
| 19:49.32 | bahamat | VivekVC: if you're not doing anything special you can have a very secure firewall in only 5 lines |
| 19:49.34 | Borg^Queen | Rohtlatco: thanks for the advice |
| 19:49.35 | Rohtlatco | Borg^Queen : There you go, then. |
| 19:49.35 | jim | VivekVC: all I know is ipmasq isn't it, unless you find a spare old box that you replace the little-box router with |
| 19:49.37 | paulswm | !tell Yokalosh about ask |
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| 19:49.47 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, "3.4p1-1.woody" |
| 19:49.47 | davro | is it possable to change the font size on the default alt1 alt2 alt* login screens |
| 19:49.50 | Falc | Rohtlatco: Thanks. |
| 19:50.01 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : Hum. |
| 19:50.04 | PeTeRB | !tell Yokalosh about kernal |
| 19:50.09 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : What does your /etc/apt/sources.list actually say? |
| 19:50.10 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, seems like im on woody |
| 19:50.12 | Borg^Queen | Rohtlatco: you're a gentlman, regardless of what everyone else says! |
| 19:50.13 | jim | firewalling function should -not- be done on user machines or servers |
| 19:50.26 | Rohtlatco | Borg^Queen : People have been saying I'm not a gentleman?! |
| 19:50.27 | kev_ | Rohtlatco: another ldap question: i have replication working between a master and slave. if i take the slave offline the master's slurpd should create a reject file. i see the replog grow in size for 1-3 secs and then drop to 0, as though it has processed the entry. but no reject file is ever created. any thoughts? |
| 19:50.36 | bahamat | Yokalosh: enable scsi, scsi generic, scsi disk, usb ohci and usb mass storage |
| 19:50.40 | Borg^Queen | Rohtlatco: Noooooooo O_o |
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| 19:50.56 | VivekVC | bahamat: can i have the sample firewall script of 5 lines please, could you paste it in a pastebin some where please. |
| 19:50.58 | riteshsarraf | When I download a source package in Debian using apt-get source packagename, how do I pass it some --enable-feature arguments during build ? |
| 19:51.00 | Rohtlatco | kev_ : Sorry, we don't use those bits here, so I don't know anything about it. |
| 19:51.11 | bahamat | VivekVC: I'll msg it to you |
| 19:51.20 | jim | davro: add "vga=ask" to kernel boot command line, reboot, it asks you, you pick a number, say NUMBER, then you replace the "vga=ask" with "vga=NUMBER" |
| 19:51.27 | Borg^Queen | Rohtlatco: seriously, thanks. I appreciate your time. |
| 19:51.32 | trave11er | riteshsarraf: by editing the debian/rules file |
| 19:51.32 | Rohtlatco | Borg^Queen : No problem. |
| 19:51.40 | Rohtlatco | Borg^Queen : If I wasn't here helping people I'd have to be doing work. ;) |
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| 19:51.42 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, 1st line has "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib" |
| 19:51.46 | kab00m | hi folks |
| 19:51.52 | Borg^Queen | Rohtlatco: lol aye |
| 19:51.53 | VivekVC | bahamat: Thanks that would be fine :) |
| 19:52.04 | riteshsarraf | TraceCobur: Will I have to unzip the source .tar.gz file then ? |
| 19:52.06 | jim | riteshsarraf: look for the build target |
| 19:52.20 | riteshsarraf | jim: Where ? |
| 19:52.21 | Falc | If I change my sources.list to match woody instead of sid, will the upgrade be okay or may it result in some bizarre error? |
| 19:52.25 | jim | you will have to get the debianized source, yes |
| 19:52.31 | Rohtlatco | Falc: That's not an upgrade. |
| 19:52.33 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, 2nd line has "deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 19:52.36 | Rohtlatco | Falc: Once on Sid, always on Sid. |
| 19:52.37 | bahamat | VivekVC: keep in mind, that's an extremely tight firewall |
| 19:52.40 | Borg^Queen | Good day people |
| 19:52.40 | jim | debian/rules is a makefile (most of the time) |
| 19:52.41 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : Skip the deb-src lines. |
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| 19:52.43 | Falc | Rohtlatco: No, i mean, downgrade. |
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| 19:52.49 | Rohtlatco | Falc: You can't downgrade. |
| 19:52.56 | Falc | I cant? |
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| 19:52.58 | Rohtlatco | Falc: Apt won't install packages older than what you have. |
| 19:52.59 | Falc | Okay. |
| 19:53.00 | paulswm | Falc: woody is now obsolete, btw |
| 19:53.03 | riteshsarraf | jim: Is it unzipped by default or will I have to unzip, configure and then zip ? |
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| 19:53.12 | Rohtlatco | riteshsarraf : Why are you zipping? |
| 19:53.15 | Falc | Ah, i see. |
| 19:53.18 | Falc | Thanks. |
| 19:53.19 | Rohtlatco | riteshsarraf : You uncompress it, cd in, run: debian/rules binary |
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| 19:53.24 | Falc | This channel pwnz. |
| 19:53.26 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free" is the last line |
| 19:53.34 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : Okay, so. |
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| 19:53.40 | riteshsarraf | Rohtlatco: Ah! One more stupid step to follow. |
| 19:53.42 | Falc | !vote Debian4President |
| 19:53.43 | jim | riteshsarraf: man dpkg-source, also apt-get source <packagename> (so man apt-get) |
| 19:53.43 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : You don't actually have a debian repository. |
| 19:53.43 | dpkg | Vote for Debian4President! Your ticket to free lunches! |
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| 19:54.11 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : Add: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib |
| 19:54.16 | paulswm | !tell Falc about downgrade |
| 19:54.20 | Rohtlatco | Then run dselect update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:54.34 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, im new to debian.....i suppose src isnt the deb's? |
| 19:54.48 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : deb-src is for deb sources.. I.e., things to build debs. |
| 19:55.05 | Falc | Thanks paulswm! |
| 19:55.07 | Rohtlatco | If this were gentoo you'd be fine.. Luckily it ain't. ;) |
| 19:55.13 | Falc | I'll go read that part. |
| 19:55.21 | VivekVC | bahamat: ok |
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| 19:55.44 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, ah thank you very much....so is there any way to determine my real verion of woody? |
| 19:55.44 | paulswm | Falc: yw |
| 19:55.51 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : ? |
| 19:55.58 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : You're on woody, apparently, but with security updates from sarge. |
| 19:56.01 | jim | woody is 3.0 |
| 19:56.05 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, ah thank you |
| 19:56.34 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, so there isnt anything besides /etc/debian_version to tell me what release im on |
| 19:56.38 | jim | you shoudl probably move to sarge/sarge, but that's up to you |
| 19:56.54 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : The contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:57.03 | Rohtlatco | jim: Heh, the issue was that he didn't have a true deb line in his sources list. |
| 19:57.16 | jim | bobwJek: and, taken together, the versions of every package you have installed |
| 19:57.25 | Rohtlatco | ^-- That too. |
| 19:57.31 | MobyTurbo | bobwJek: it's probably not a good idea to mix repositories of sarge and woody, it's better to upgrade unless for some reason you like 5 year old software. ;-) |
| 19:58.00 | jim | which might not tell you much unless you can get a listing of package versions against point release |
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| 19:58.10 | MobyTurbo | bbiab |
| 19:58.15 | jim | even if you can, what does that tell you |
| 19:59.47 | bobwJek | Rohtlatco, jim, MobyTurbo, thanks i think i should just rebuild the server with sarge stable....dont really want to do a dist upgrade |
| 19:59.59 | Rohtlatco | bobwJek : A dist-upgrade isn't hard... |
| 20:00.09 | Rohtlatco | Unless you're worried about the time spent downloading packages or something. |
| 20:00.18 | jim | bobwJek: that's up to you... but you'll lose your config that way |
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| 20:01.16 | jim | Rohtlatco: either way he'd need a set of packages,,, whether he gets them by cd image or by net upgrade, he can still either dist-upgrade or reinstall |
| 20:01.30 | jim | debian's flexible like that |
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| 20:01.46 | Rohtlatco | 's true. |
| 20:02.18 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: did you get your badge? |
| 20:02.19 | jim | just let him know he has either choice |
| 20:02.43 | jim | baches? wee don neeed no steeenkeeen baches |
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| 20:03.31 | PeTeRB | empty: You just read my mind or something? |
| 20:03.38 | Supaplex | !badger |
| 20:03.41 | jim | so he'd have to pay through the nose too? |
| 20:04.25 | VivekVC | bahamat: i copied the lines you have given into a file named "firewall" in the home directory of the root user. Could you tell me how to start that firewall ? |
| 20:04.33 | empty | PeTeRB, yes, using neurodump |
| 20:04.42 | empty | PeTeRB, i'm betatesting it ;) |
| 20:04.52 | Rohtlatco | empty : link |
| 20:04.56 | Rohtlatco | ;) |
| 20:04.58 | empty | PeTeRB, BTW that thing with the peanut butter is nasty |
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| 20:05.40 | empty | Rohtlatco, closed beta, and there is no URL, it upgrades as the creator of it thinks up more code |
| 20:05.47 | Rohtlatco | PeTeRB : Damn tasty. |
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| 20:05.56 | Rohtlatco | empty : Lies. |
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| 20:06.57 | Supaplex | PB is great in cookies |
| 20:07.11 | jharrisonwk | hey |
| 20:07.13 | Falc | Whaat? Is there no libapache-mod-php5? Not even in sid? |
| 20:07.14 | cbc | #flood |
| 20:07.15 | seth | I need help with my serial config: setserial just won't save and restore (after reboot) my 'uart none' settings for /dev/ttyS0. I tried setting it to 'autosave once' and 'autosave always', none worked... |
| 20:07.16 | jharrisonwk | any pdf editors in debian? |
| 20:07.36 | Nazxul | jharrisonwk: OpenOffice.org can export to .pdf. |
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| 20:07.49 | jharrisonwk | I need to edit a pdf |
| 20:08.01 | Lunar_Lamp | jharrisonwk - good luck :-/ |
| 20:08.10 | Nazxul | And peanut butter is best straight from the jar. :D |
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| 20:08.13 | Supaplex | you can convert it to postscript |
| 20:08.33 | Supaplex | not that I'd edit ps either... |
| 20:08.53 | Supaplex | is there a default directory pivot_root is expecting to use for initrd images? |
| 20:08.54 | Nazxul | I don't think you can edit PDFs... |
| 20:08.55 | Falc | How do I get php5-support for apache with sid? |
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| 20:09.05 | dondelelcaro | Nazxul: youcan |
| 20:09.13 | dondelelcaro | pdf is just a language that has a published spec. |
| 20:09.15 | abrotman | Falc: php5 is not in debian |
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| 20:09.27 | Falc | abrotman: It's not? |
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| 20:09.30 | Supaplex | atleast not yet anyway |
| 20:09.35 | abrotman | !php5 |
| 20:09.35 | dpkg | [php5] at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system, or see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
| 20:09.35 | jharrisonwk | its ok |
| 20:09.35 | Supaplex | !test |
| 20:09.35 | dpkg | No, supaplex, you're not online any more. |
| 20:09.38 | jharrisonwk | I work around it |
| 20:09.44 | abrotman | Falc: they are not |
| 20:09.57 | josep | !hal |
| 20:09.57 | dpkg | i guess hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 20:10.00 | Falc | Ah. Okay. |
| 20:10.11 | jim | Falc: sid? figure out a solution... build apache and php5, read the build instructions for both before building either, make sure you understand what to do |
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| 20:10.55 | jim | you're on the frontier in the middle of the desert... hope you brought enough water for the 150-mile walk to the next town... |
| 20:11.00 | Falc | Jim, yes, thanks mate, however, I think i found it now, using deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./ as abrotman said. |
| 20:11.09 | josep | how do I "register" a new device in hal? (using SID, latest updates here) |
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| 20:11.46 | abrotman | Falc: you could wait .. should be in sid .. some time in the future |
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| 20:12.13 | crocodile | is this correct ? #!/bin/bash |
| 20:12.13 | crocodile | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 20:12.13 | crocodile | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:12.27 | abrotman | #iptables |
| 20:12.41 | abrotman | yay .. Laslo! |
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| 20:13.03 | Falc | abrotman: Yeah, but I can't do that, my costumers want their site right now. :/ |
| 20:13.06 | abrotman | err lazlo |
| 20:13.15 | Falc | Thanks anyway mate. |
| 20:13.18 | jim | Falc: good enough (note that people here might not know about that... so be prepared to gather info) |
| 20:13.44 | Falc | Yeah, i think I'll manage. You guys have already done 50% of the job. ;) |
| 20:13.46 | jim | wow, do they make spiderman costumes? |
| 20:13.48 | abrotman | Falc: and it relies on php5 ? |
| 20:13.55 | Falc | abrotman, yes. |
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| 20:14.14 | Falc | Certain functions atleast. |
| 20:14.30 | abrotman | i fidn that hard to believe |
| 20:14.37 | abrotman | such as which function? |
| 20:14.57 | abrotman | bah .. doesn't matter . .not my server |
| 20:14.59 | abrotman | not my site |
| 20:15.06 | Falc | :) |
| 20:15.09 | fhffhqvb | !sw abrotman |
| 20:15.11 | dpkg | abrotman: you stats whore! |
| 20:15.15 | Supaplex | Is initrd.img-2.6.8-1-386 automagicly generated some how? I'm trying to figure out what directory pivot_root is attempt to use when it fails on boot. |
| 20:15.15 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 20:15.23 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: say what ? |
| 20:15.31 | fhffhqvb | you heard dpkg. |
| 20:15.32 | Falc | ^^ |
| 20:15.45 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: i don't think i need to be a stats whore |
| 20:15.56 | abrotman | Supaplex: it's part of the package |
| 20:16.00 | Falc | abrotman's not a statswhore, he's a helperwhore. ;D |
| 20:16.01 | fhffhqvb | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/deb0506.html |
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| 20:16.17 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: so fucking what ? |
| 20:16.24 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: it's not my fault you're lazy |
| 20:16.30 | seth | I need help with my serial config: setserial just won't save and restore (after reboot) my 'uart none' settings for /dev/ttyS0. I tried setting it to 'autosave once' and 'autosave always', none worked... |
| 20:16.33 | Supaplex | abrotman: but dpkg -S initrd.img-2.6.8-1-386 has no matches. and the md5sum doesn't appear in a google search. |
| 20:16.53 | abrotman | Supaplex: it would be out of date .. and insecure iirc |
| 20:17.39 | abrotman | maybe it gets created my mkinitrd ? |
| 20:17.42 | abrotman | err by |
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| 20:17.56 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 20:17.57 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 20:18.00 | lewser | Hello :) , i just changed the board+cpu from amd to intel, and cant boot the current kernel now. i booted up using a bf2.4 rescue debian cd.. possible to boot that kernel, and get into the system and compile a new kernel? |
| 20:18.17 | Supaplex | it's not a fucking knoppix install |
| 20:18.22 | abrotman | Supaplex: not you |
| 20:18.28 | AjLavJo | hehe |
| 20:18.31 | abrotman | you can apologize now :) |
| 20:18.37 | Supaplex | oh ok. :) |
| 20:18.49 | Supaplex | well, mine isn't. hehe. |
| 20:18.54 | abrotman | Supaplex: but look at mkinitrd i guess |
| 20:19.00 | dondelelcaro | lewser: just boot and set the appropriate root= option; then recompile or reinstall your kernel. |
| 20:19.53 | Supaplex | I must have someone on ignore, I didn't see any other references to knoppix. heh *shrug*. |
| 20:20.00 | lewser | dondelelcaro, could you point me in the direction? need to know which and where the kernel im gonna boot are located |
| 20:20.10 | abrotman | Supaplex: someone logged in with a username knoppix |
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| 20:20.14 | dystopian | Supaplex, I didn't see any either... |
| 20:20.21 | Supaplex | ahhh that explains it. lol |
| 20:20.22 | lewser | since i cant use any of the current ones, since they were compiled for amd, not intel |
| 20:20.23 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.26 | abrotman | see ? |
| 20:20.29 | dondelelcaro | lewser: no, you don't. Boot off of the rescue disc. Set the appropriate root= option. |
| 20:20.33 | bobwJek | anyone have a text utility that will delete every other line |
| 20:20.37 | Supaplex | I don't see joins/parts. too noisy. |
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| 20:20.40 | dondelelcaro | lewser: boot into your machine. Compile or install a proper utility. |
| 20:20.43 | abrotman | Supaplex: not my fault |
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| 20:21.04 | empty | bobwJek, why would you want to do that? |
| 20:21.06 | dondelelcaro | bobwJek: perl -pi -e '$a++ $_=q() if $a%2' |
| 20:21.17 | lewser | dondelelcaro, how can i boot into my machine, when i get kernel faliure. |
| 20:21.18 | Supaplex | either way, my appoligies =) |
| 20:21.18 | dondelelcaro | s/++/++;/ |
| 20:21.31 | dondelelcaro | lewser: with the rescue disc you have. |
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| 20:21.40 | bobwJek | empty, i have a text file with useful data, every other line is garbage |
| 20:22.10 | empty | what donde said |
| 20:23.16 | wooden | whats a good benchmark for cpu? |
| 20:23.23 | wooden | want to run x86 vs ppc :) |
| 20:23.34 | dondelelcaro | wooden: whatever you're actually going to be running on the machine. |
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| 20:23.49 | wooden | ?? |
| 20:23.55 | dystopian | I saw on Distrowatch the other day that Libranet claims to be 100% compatible with Debian. Is that really true I wonder? Why not just run Sarge? |
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| 20:24.06 | abrotman | wooden: ia64 vs MIPS .. have fun |
| 20:24.08 | wooden | no i want a cpu benchmark only |
| 20:24.11 | dondelelcaro | only Debian is 100% compatible with Debian. |
| 20:24.20 | empty | bobwJek, or cat file | perl -ne '$i++; $b = ($i/2); print if ($b == int($b));' should work too |
| 20:24.21 | dystopian | that's what I thought. |
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| 20:24.34 | dondelelcaro | yeesh |
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| 20:24.49 | dondelelcaro | time to learn about modulus |
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| 20:25.19 | keir | i'm going to reformat ubuntu and put debian back on-- any issues in sid i should be aware of? |
| 20:25.23 | empty | dondelelcaro, LOL, well I rarely need to do it that thinly |
| 20:25.34 | josie | apt-get keeps segfaulting every time that it tries to build its database after an update. Any attempt to install or search also segfaults. What are my options? |
| 20:25.37 | nvz | keir: yeah sid breaks things |
| 20:25.40 | streuner | keir: read /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:25.45 | nvz | keir: in case you never seen the movie |
| 20:25.46 | rbochan | dystopian: Libranet used to be Debian with a fancy schmancy installer, I can't say about recent releases |
| 20:26.11 | dondelelcaro | josie: kill off the cache and rebuild it. |
| 20:26.28 | dondelelcaro | josie: start with rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin; |
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| 20:27.02 | dondelelcaro | no derived distribution ever stops at just the installer |
| 20:27.08 | dystopian | seems with Sarge their really isn't a "need" for an easier installer. How much easier could it be? Ubuntu, which is the supposed easiest distro uses the same installer. ah well.... |
| 20:27.15 | josie | dondelelcaro: wonderful, thanks |
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| 20:27.25 | bonez41 | what's slickest way to move large folders from linux machine to windows machine? the shares are already set up, and mounted...... |
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| 20:27.29 | pipeline | rbochan, dystopian : I think the libranet guy died :( |
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| 20:27.44 | wooden | hello? i want a cpu-test ppc vs x86, whats a good program for this? |
| 20:27.45 | dondelelcaro | bonez41: with cp, typically. You can use rsync too if you want. |
| 20:27.47 | keir | i've been running debian unstable for about 4 years now, i was just wondering if there's major show-stoppers in it right now with the base packages |
| 20:27.54 | rbochan | Libranet was started by Ian, I beleive |
| 20:27.57 | mutilator | .. or just stick the harddrive from the winbox in the linbox |
| 20:28.01 | mutilator | o_O |
| 20:28.01 | nvz | keir: check the bts |
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| 20:28.05 | dondelelcaro | wooden: again, run the exact application that you're planning on using. There's no point in doing anything else. |
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| 20:28.17 | stu7 | keir 3.1 stable is released you know |
| 20:28.19 | dondelelcaro | wooden: any other benchmark that you come up with will be totally useless and arbitrary. |
| 20:28.29 | nvz | keir: install stable base with D-I first, then install apt-listbugs before you upgrade (if you must upgrade) |
| 20:28.31 | sktrdie | to make the sound go on I need to type "alsaconf" everytime i reboot |
| 20:28.40 | MobyTurbo | rbochan: no, Ian started, and still heads, Progeny |
| 20:28.40 | Eulex | is there a way to see what repository a package with a specific version belongs to? |
| 20:28.47 | keir | nvz, thanks, didn't know about apt-listbugs |
| 20:28.55 | rbochan | MobyTurbo: that's right.. I'd forgotten |
| 20:28.59 | dondelelcaro | sktrdie: alsa should save the mixer levels at shutdown, assuming you've got alsa-base installed. |
| 20:29.04 | nvz | keir: you should, you've been running unstable for 4 years :P |
| 20:29.10 | dondelelcaro | Eulex: apt-cache policy; |
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| 20:29.17 | lewser | dondelelcaro, thanks, just had to wake up for a second :) |
| 20:29.18 | dondelelcaro | Eulex: alternatively, visit packages.debian.org |
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| 20:29.35 | dondelelcaro | lewser: np |
| 20:29.41 | sktrdie | dondelelcaro |
| 20:29.48 | sktrdie | dondelelcaro: I did install alsa-base |
| 20:30.11 | abrotman | i kind of imagine dondelelcaro looking like lazlo .. dunno why though :) |
| 20:30.16 | mutilator | who makes some of these retarded dependancies |
| 20:30.20 | stu7 | anybody know... what to run to add or change screen resolution ? |
| 20:30.22 | mutilator | exim is a dep for lire |
| 20:30.26 | mutilator | >:| |
| 20:30.27 | sktrdie | dondelelcaro: when I boot no sound from alsa.. so I type alsaconf, I follow all the instructions and it starts |
| 20:30.38 | abrotman | mutilator: who uses lire? |
| 20:30.47 | dondelelcaro | stu7: then /etc/init.d/alsa; should save the current mixer levels. |
| 20:30.49 | mutilator | touche |
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| 20:30.57 | dondelelcaro | s/stu7/sktrdie/ |
| 20:31.01 | stu7 | ancient greek musicians used lyres :) |
| 20:31.11 | Eulex | dondelelcaro, thanks! btw, it was an unofficial package |
| 20:31.23 | mutilator | have a great holiday weekend everyone |
| 20:31.31 | Eulex | which I couldn't figure out why I had it, but now I see... |
| 20:31.32 | dystopian | thanks. you too |
| 20:31.34 | sktrdie | dondelelcaro: ok after I reboot, sound doesnt work, I also tried typing /etc/init.d/alsa start, but nothing |
| 20:31.41 | nvz | stu7: in X? you can change between the available resolutions with Ctrl+Alt and the + or - keys on the keypad. or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to choose more resolutions, and you may need to choose "Advanced" for your monitor settings and put in the sync ranges. may even need to goto montiorworld.com to get that info |
| 20:31.57 | sktrdie | dondelelcaro: It says that its starting, but I can't hear |
| 20:32.34 | sktrdie | dondelelcaro: Have any idea? |
| 20:32.42 | dondelelcaro | sktrdie: and if you run alsamixer and unmute everything? |
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| 20:32.45 | abrotman | !any idea |
| 20:32.45 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little thermal paste, and a handful of starving weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 20:32.56 | abrotman | and make sure the OSS stuff isn't loading |
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| 20:33.05 | sktrdie | dondelelcaro: I'll have to try that |
| 20:33.25 | sktrdie | dondelelcaro: but how do I make it defualt everytime I reboot? |
| 20:33.40 | dystopian | OSS isn't bad, but you can't run both at the same time I guess. xmms needed OSS for some reason here. |
| 20:33.42 | bobwJek | I just lost power and lost the perl script that gave me every other line, can you paste it again? |
| 20:33.46 | dondelelcaro | sktrdie: by letting alsa run alsactl store |
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| 20:33.58 | dondelelcaro | dystopian: if you think you need oss, use the emulation mode. |
| 20:34.14 | stu7 | nvz...ahhh... okie... thanks Yep... in X but I was thinking I saw an X startup app in there |
| 20:34.25 | abrotman | dystopian: have xmms use alsa |
| 20:34.31 | sktrdie | dondelelcaro: alsactl store? i type that? |
| 20:34.36 | dystopian | xmms is just using the OSS plugin. no sound for me without it. oh well... |
| 20:34.59 | bobwJek | empty: can you paste that back into the screen...the perl command |
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| 20:35.49 | dondelelcaro | bobwJek: cat foofile|perl -pe '$a++; $_=q() if $a%2' |
| 20:36.19 | bobwJek | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 20:36.26 | dondelelcaro | or better, cat foofile|perl -pe '$_=q() if ++$a%2' |
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| 20:36.41 | stu7 | oh wait... does Sarge 3.1 have a graphic package manager working yet ? |
| 20:37.02 | dondelelcaro | stu7: synaptic |
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| 20:37.04 | dystopian | synaptic? |
| 20:37.04 | stew | stu7: synaptic |
| 20:37.05 | stouse1 | dondelelcaro: Bah, amateur. A real perl hacker would have found a way to squeeze a y///c in there :-) |
| 20:37.25 | dondelelcaro | why the fuck would you need tr? |
| 20:37.27 | stu7 | synaptic wasnt running for me last night, for some reason |
| 20:37.43 | stouset | dondelelcaro: You don't, that's the point! |
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| 20:40.02 | sktrdie | dondelelcaro: I've tried, I rebooted, still no sound with ALSA |
| 20:40.24 | sktrdie | dondelelcaro: But in XMMS if I choose Esound isntead of ALSA it works, but I would like ALSA |
| 20:40.37 | stouset | sktrdie: you can't use ALSA while esd is running. |
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| 20:40.50 | sktrdie | stouset? |
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| 20:40.54 | stouset | sktrdie: Are you running GNOME? |
| 20:40.59 | raf256 | hmm.. should I use gentoo64 or debian64? (and why) |
| 20:41.01 | sktrdie | stouset: yes |
| 20:41.11 | Peaker | "LITERALLY UNSTABLE" as in "GPG signatures invalid"? |
| 20:41.12 | trave11er | sed 'n;d' will delete every other line too |
| 20:41.18 | stouset | Desktop->Preferences->Sound, disable "Enable sound server startup" |
| 20:41.26 | MobyTurbo | raf256: what answer do you think you'll get here? |
| 20:41.28 | bobwJek | traveller, wow realler? |
| 20:41.31 | bobwJek | really? |
| 20:41.37 | trave11er | bobwJek: try it :-) |
| 20:41.45 | sktrdie | stouset, ok let me try that one |
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| 20:41.51 | stouset | trave11er: Jesus =P |
| 20:42.14 | stouset | ...why does he quit IRC to go disable his sound server? |
| 20:43.00 | trave11er | bobwJek: there are more similar goodies here: http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line.txt |
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| 20:43.39 | dystopian | stouset, who knows why he does what he does. odd kid, that one. |
| 20:43.51 | stouset | Whoever created sed is on an entirely different plane of reality. |
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| 20:44.49 | stouset | Oh, I think I follow it though :-) it's just running the commands as if you were in ed. n goes to the next line, d deletes the current line. Repeat ad infinitum. |
| 20:44.59 | trave11er | stouset: yeah |
| 20:45.02 | Supaplex | how do I mount a compressed romfs, is there a different filesystem type? it's not gzipped or bz2 |
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| 20:45.06 | stouset | Still, geez. |
| 20:45.18 | trave11er | Supaplex: yes, cramfs |
| 20:45.34 | trave11er | Supaplex: most probably |
| 20:45.46 | trave11er | Supaplex: if you are talking about initrd |
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| 20:46.07 | Supaplex | yea |
| 20:46.31 | trave11er | Supaplex: mount -t cramfs initrd.img /mnt/blah -o loop |
| 20:47.26 | Supaplex | trave11er: you rock. all I needed is cramfs. now to dig to this pivot_root issue. |
| 20:47.35 | chealer | just to be sure, is the necessary firmware upgrade the reason why ipw2* packages are in contrib instead of main? |
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| 20:48.00 | trave11er | Supaplex: if you are getting pivot_root errors, most probably your kernel and initrd do not match |
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| 20:48.26 | stouset | chealer: yes |
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| 20:48.30 | Supaplex | really... well I nuked a bunch of stuff, I think I yanked a directory I needed... |
| 20:49.10 | stouset | You nuked a bunch of stuff? |
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| 20:49.26 | Isildur | I want to setup some streaming media, I got a tvcard (hauppauge PVR150, the kernel recognises it). Now I want to capture the data and stream it on a lan, anyone knows a good howto? |
| 20:49.27 | trave11er | Supaplex: if those are debian kernels, you can regenerate initrd by running dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-version-flavour |
| 20:49.27 | dystopian | that's what I thought. if it aint broke... |
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| 20:49.42 | helker | hi |
| 20:49.48 | chealer | stouset: thanks |
| 20:49.53 | trave11er | Supaplex: and then make sure that you lilo/grub configuration is consistent |
| 20:49.54 | stouset | trave11er: I think he means he nuked stuff in /lib/modules/ |
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| 20:50.06 | Supaplex | no, lib/modules is ok. |
| 20:50.15 | stouset | What did you nuke, then? |
| 20:50.19 | Supaplex | I removed some empty directories in / |
| 20:50.28 | MobyTurbo | !permasunday |
| 20:50.28 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 20:50.29 | stouset | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.30 | Supaplex | and purged lilo for grub. |
| 20:50.35 | trave11er | nuking anything kernel-related is, obviously, not a very good idea :-) |
| 20:50.48 | Supaplex | only symlinks in / |
| 20:50.55 | stouset | Supaplex: You may need to mkdir /initrd |
| 20:51.05 | Supaplex | ahhhh |
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| 20:52.05 | stouset | Typically directories in / are there because they need to be, even if empty :-) |
| 20:52.15 | dystopian | laters |
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| 20:52.40 | bonez41 | is there a 'compare' command that will compare two directories to see what is difference between them? |
| 20:52.48 | Supaplex | yup, my assumptions got the best of me. I didn't manage this box to begin with. |
| 20:52.53 | Supaplex | bonez41: like diff? |
| 20:53.09 | bonez41 | Supaplex: I guess......never have used diff....brb |
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| 20:53.56 | bonez41 | Supaplex: I am thinking it would work if it could highlight what files and directories were missing from one directory, compared with another directory |
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| 20:54.03 | happyb | hi |
| 20:54.13 | Spec | bonez39, find 1dir > tmp;find 2dir > tmp2; diff tmp1 tmp2|less |
| 20:54.13 | happyb | just installed new ati drivers ondebian |
| 20:54.22 | happyb | not getting great frame rate |
| 20:54.30 | Spec | glxgears? |
| 20:54.35 | happyb | yes |
| 20:54.39 | Spec | what are you getting? |
| 20:54.52 | happyb | lsmod shows: agpgart sis_agp, not flx |
| 20:54.58 | happyb | 600-800 fps |
| 20:55.04 | abrotman | what's wrong with that ? |
| 20:55.06 | Spec | yeah, that does suck |
| 20:55.36 | happyb | someone else getting agppart fglrx,via_agp |
| 20:55.38 | abrotman | wel . he didn't say which card .. or the speed of his system :) |
| 20:55.53 | happyb | sry...AMD 2100+ ATI Radeon 9800 |
| 20:56.04 | abrotman | what .. no 9850 ? |
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| 20:56.05 | abrotman | slacker |
| 20:56.12 | happyb | we do what we can |
| 20:56.25 | happyb | what should lsmod report for agpgart? |
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| 20:56.30 | abrotman | happyb: glxinfo says what about direct rendering ? |
| 20:56.33 | happyb | sis_agp or gflx |
| 20:56.41 | juanma | has anybody ever tried to modify the debian installer? |
| 20:56.58 | Supaplex | juanma: I'm sure the development team has |
| 20:57.04 | MobyTurbo | juanma: yes |
| 20:57.19 | greycat | juanma: they'd be in #debian-boot |
| 20:57.22 | abrotman | juanma: maybe people i'm sure |
| 20:57.28 | abrotman | greycat: shouldn't you be home by now ? |
| 20:57.39 | greycat | abrotman: should be leaving soon. driving home takes longer than that. |
| 20:57.48 | abrotman | heh |
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| 20:58.01 | happyb | openGL vendor strigns ati , rendering radeon 9800 |
| 20:58.13 | abrotman | happyb: about direct rendering ? |
| 20:58.19 | abrotman | glxinfo | grep direct |
| 20:58.34 | happyb | =yes |
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| 20:58.46 | abrotman | happyb: it's my understanding the ati drivers suck . badly .. |
| 20:58.50 | LabThug | urggh, my self built PAE kernel panics on boot. Are there any existing packages of kernel 2.6.x SMP + PAE I can use? |
| 20:58.55 | happyb | even the "new"ones? |
| 20:59.02 | abrotman | happyb: dunno .. |
| 20:59.03 | Falc | abrotman: Well, I managed to install php5 for apache1.3. It wasn't so hard accually, just added "deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all" in my sources.list, run apt-get update and upgrade.. |
| 20:59.04 | Falc | ... installed libapache-mod-php5, ran apache-modconf apache and rebooted apache. |
| 20:59.16 | abrotman | Falc: all works fine ? |
| 20:59.18 | Falc | And walla, php5 installed. |
| 20:59.20 | Falc | Yes. |
| 20:59.22 | abrotman | yay |
| 20:59.23 | Falc | Works perfectly |
| 20:59.27 | Falc | :) |
| 20:59.31 | abrotman | happy clients == money! |
| 20:59.34 | Falc | :D |
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| 20:59.56 | {tama-geek} | hi all |
| 21:00.01 | happyb | hi |
| 21:00.08 | {tama-geek} | anyone using mldonkey? |
| 21:00.31 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 21:00.31 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 21:00.39 | bonez41 | Supaplex: I run diff dir1 dir2 and it consistently shows dir1 with about 3 mb more contents than dir2....but diff says all are shared and equal |
| 21:01.17 | juanma | One more question, any resource or info about creating a live cd from debian not from knoppix or any other..? |
| 21:01.58 | MobyTurbo | juanma: I think tarzeau has done nearly that with his gnustep CD. |
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| 21:06.59 | PeTeRB | juanma: Well, there is dfsbuild |
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| 21:11.26 | Supaplex | bonez41: then you need to use ls -laR on each path, or md5sum to. |
| 21:11.36 | PeTeRB | juanma: Also http://mklivecd.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 21:12.11 | Spec | Is there a way to make it so when I click on e-mail addresses in mozilla it goes to compose-message in gmail instead of evolution? |
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| 21:13.00 | bonez41 | Supaplex: could the size difference be in the linux folder vs. windows folder...i.e., ext3 versus Fat32 and file overhead? |
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| 21:13.17 | juanma | Thanks a lot PeTeRB |
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| 21:13.53 | sineer | hi! |
| 21:13.59 | SDFH_Linux | no kernel 2.6.12 yet on debian servers? |
| 21:15.20 | sineer | I have a problem with Eterm fonts.. missing character from my fonts make nasty little 2x2 squares all over the text buffer |
| 21:15.29 | bahamat | SDFH_Linux: probably not for a while |
| 21:15.46 | bahamat | sineer: use a font hat has those characters |
| 21:15.50 | sineer | someone in #e told me its a debian problem and that I should change my fonts... I just don't know what fonts it use and how to change font |
| 21:16.00 | sineer | bahamat, sure :) how? |
| 21:16.20 | bahamat | sineer: apt-cache search fonts |
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| 21:16.24 | bahamat | sineer: then take your pick |
| 21:16.29 | sineer | cool :) |
| 21:16.36 | ecobit | sineer: also, it may not support those characters from your locale setting |
| 21:16.39 | abrotman | sineer: locale ? |
| 21:16.58 | sineer | I think its not set |
| 21:17.07 | sineer | shouldn't I have a LANG envvar set? |
| 21:17.23 | ecobit | tyep 'locale' and see |
| 21:17.28 | happyb | ya'll: glxgears reports 4700 FPS while fgl_glxgears reports only 690 FPS |
| 21:17.31 | happyb | so i guess its working |
| 21:17.44 | sineer | LANG=POSIX |
| 21:18.40 | Spec | what's fgl_glxgears? |
| 21:19.08 | abrotman | ati glxgears |
| 21:19.10 | ecobit | sineer: apt-get install locales and localeconf and then dpkg-reconfigure locales and localeconf |
| 21:19.13 | Spec | ah |
| 21:19.21 | sineer | ecobit, thanks! |
| 21:19.23 | happyb | is one more accurate than the other? |
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| 21:20.05 | ecobit | Spec: what package is that in? |
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| 21:21.31 | GlenneMannen | anyone know how to read a file and then before and after anter this <beforeline>line<afterline $line> where $line="the line" |
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| 21:21.51 | hefty | hi |
| 21:21.51 | Spec | ecobit, i don't know, ask happyb |
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| 21:21.58 | pder | DEBIAN ARE NOT SUPPORT COMPUTER |
| 21:22.07 | Spec | what? |
| 21:22.09 | shingouz | pder: so? |
| 21:22.10 | ecobit | Spec: you have it on your system? |
| 21:22.14 | Spec | ecobit, nope |
| 21:22.16 | sineer | Eterm: Warning: Locale not supported; defaulting to portable "C" locale. |
| 21:22.17 | ecobit | oh |
| 21:22.18 | Spec | ecobit, i was just wondering what it was |
| 21:22.26 | kasper | anyone use monodevelop? |
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| 21:22.31 | sineer | is it because my Eterm just don't support locale mayb? |
| 21:22.39 | shingouz | !tell kasper about ask |
| 21:22.43 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 21:22.45 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 21:23.56 | SDFH_Linux | is openoffice 2.0 beta or xorg in the debian servers yet?? |
| 21:24.01 | abrotman | no |
| 21:24.12 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite SDFH_Linux |
| 21:24.13 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon SDFH_Linux. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:24.21 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: !topicfsck !!! |
| 21:24.30 | pder | can debian computer connect to internets? |
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| 21:24.42 | abrotman | fucking shit .. i thought he was banned ? |
| 21:24.55 | JoshH | apparently he is ban dodging |
| 21:25.02 | pder | abrotman: shut up you fat face |
| 21:25.12 | abrotman | !ops please permanently ban pder .. again |
| 21:25.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please permanently ban pder .. again |
| 21:25.14 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: dpkg was q'd, not banned. |
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| 21:25.52 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: oops, thought you were talking about the bot |
| 21:25.54 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: what about dpkg ? |
| 21:25.55 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:26.00 | stouset | kasper: Yes. |
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| 21:26.18 | cyc | hi, I'm having a problem with postfix-mysql on debian sarge. I'm getting "fatal: dict_open: unsupported dicctionary type: mysql: Is the postfix-mysql package installed?", but posftix-mysql package _is_ installed, /usr/lib/postfix/dict_mysql.so is listed in /etc/postfix/dynamicmaps.cf ... what else could be wrong? |
| 21:26.27 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: dpkg was once +q'd because an op was annoyed at the bot abuse. :-) |
| 21:26.30 | abrotman | LoRez: thank you |
| 21:26.37 | bonez41 | Supaplex: I moved my folder, then set up a symbolic link per 'ln -s /new/folder/' pointing to the files on a networked drive....but still it didn't free up the 95 mb space on the original drive location... |
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| 21:29.38 | Jujilpu | hi |
| 21:30.17 | sbk | Is there a magic /proc ... or something else :-) that would let me pick up the current ulimit -n for a process a perl snippet? I was told BSD::Resource, but this is a script that would run on machinse that may not have those modules installed |
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| 21:31.15 | abrotman | sbk: what's wrong with just using ulimit -n ? |
| 21:31.18 | sbk | er, "for a process a perl snippet" => "from a process == a perl script" |
| 21:31.36 | paulswm | sbk: why not execute 'ulimit -n' from within the perl script? |
| 21:31.46 | Jujilpu | I got a little problem with the installation. Is there someone to help me maybe with dselect-installation? |
| 21:32.12 | Jujilpu | i think it's realy easy and I'm doing something wrong |
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| 21:32.16 | sbk | abrotman: that ends up going into [from perl land] turning into "sh -c ulimit -n", which gives me the uninformative "unlimited" |
| 21:32.23 | abrotman | yay |
| 21:32.28 | sbk | I would like the actual value, that is |
| 21:32.28 | abrotman | stop running perl as root ? |
| 21:32.40 | sbk | no, not running as root |
| 21:33.12 | robin_sz | perl? ... is thay like Perl? |
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| 21:35.19 | raf256 | hi there \o/ |
| 21:35.24 | Jujilpu | hi |
| 21:35.28 | Jujilpu | ^^ |
| 21:35.31 | trave11er | sbk: so you are running ulimit -n directly and get some number, then use it from the script and get unlimited? |
| 21:35.38 | buu | sbk: Nothing in perl forces you to run scripts from the shell. |
| 21:35.40 | raf256 | ok, for the last time... how, the fuck, can I change order of eth* cards >:[ ? Im asking about it for like a month! :/ |
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| 21:35.44 | JoeBaldwin | Right |
| 21:35.49 | sbk | trave11er: yes, that's correct |
| 21:35.50 | JoeBaldwin | Now I'm not on root anymore... |
| 21:35.57 | petemc | raf256: you're an idiot, ifrename |
| 21:36.03 | sbk | buu: ah, didn't realize that. |
| 21:36.04 | JoeBaldwin | Does anyone here have any experience with ethernet bridging? |
| 21:36.18 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 21:36.19 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 21:36.27 | raf256 | petemc: your idiot as well, ifrename doesnt work, dear Watson. Otherwise I wouldnt ask here, now would I? |
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| 21:36.43 | robin_sz | JoeBaldwin: yeah |
| 21:36.54 | JoeBaldwin | robin_sz: do you know how I would be able to do nat over it? |
| 21:37.02 | Spec | "your idiot as well" needs to be quoted. it just needs to be quoted. |
| 21:37.03 | robin_sz | yes |
| 21:37.08 | raf256 | petemc: it is runned too late to change names reports like "file alread exist" "file is in use" and so on |
| 21:37.09 | JoeBaldwin | i have eth1 and eth2 connected to other PCs, and eth0 as a cable modem |
| 21:37.14 | sbk | buu: so what's the trick? I'm mystified now. Clearly, `ulimit -n` doesn't cut it. |
| 21:37.21 | JoeBaldwin | and I'd like to be able to have eth1 and eth2 connect to the net through this box |
| 21:37.26 | buu | sbk: See open |
| 21:37.26 | JoeBaldwin | How would I go about doing that? |
| 21:37.35 | raf256 | so how can I change the order of eth...? |
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| 21:37.51 | buu | sbk: But in this partciular case, shouldn't `sh -c ulimit -n` return the exact same response, or are process limits not inherited? |
| 21:37.59 | raf256 | and question 2 - how to use LAN built in into Nvidia mainbboad (for amd64)? (but running debian32) |
| 21:38.02 | robin_sz | JoeBaldwin: I presume you are tlaking about inserting a box as an arp transparent bridge into an existing setup? |
| 21:38.03 | trave11er | raf256: by loading modules in different order, perhaps? |
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| 21:38.04 | Kylixen | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/3fSoTS78.html Can anybody tell me why my mouse scroll isn't working? |
| 21:38.25 | raf256 | trave11er: and what if thery are on same module? |
| 21:38.49 | JoeBaldwin | robin_sz: not really. I had this box as an XP bridged router, so the other PCs used this as a gateway |
| 21:39.06 | JoeBaldwin | And they could both be on at the same time, and on XP you used a bridge to do that |
| 21:39.11 | thesage | I need some help getting my wireless card working, it's a WPCI-100 from viewsonic. I have ndiswrapper installed but the only set of drivers I can find don't have an inf file so I'm kind of lost on how to get them installed. |
| 21:39.17 | JoeBaldwin | Sorry, I'm a newbie with ethernet bridging under Linux |
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| 21:39.27 | trave11er | raf256: which module is that? |
| 21:39.32 | abrotman | thesage: afaik .. windows requires an inf |
| 21:39.44 | raf256 | trave11er: in example if I have two normal Realtek NIC cards |
| 21:39.45 | mrgenixus | what package is initex part of? how do I find this out, in general |
| 21:39.52 | abrotman | !tell mrgenixus about search |
| 21:39.53 | robin_sz | JoeBaldwin: I dont *think* you need a bridge at all to be honest, just a normal NAT setup |
| 21:39.57 | thesage | the only inf on the cd is an autorun |
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| 21:40.04 | trave11er | raf256: what's the name of the module driver? |
| 21:40.09 | thesage | and the downloadable zip doesn't have one |
| 21:40.13 | abrotman | thesage: did you try extracting the install package? |
| 21:40.18 | raf256 | trave11er: what does it changes? assume its "foobar" |
| 21:40.24 | JoeBaldwin | robin_sz: I'll see where I can go with that |
| 21:40.27 | mrgenixus | thanks abrotman couldn't figure out how to ask dpkg that |
| 21:40.31 | JoeBaldwin | robin_sz: XP needed a bridge though |
| 21:40.34 | JoeBaldwin | i'll try |
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| 21:40.45 | foo | Hmm, my eth0 isn't coming up. Light isn't on on the motherboard. Any ideas? hmm |
| 21:40.47 | robin_sz | JoeBaldwin: have a look at lartc.org |
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| 21:40.56 | thesage | don't quite know how I would do that :P |
| 21:40.57 | foo | The light for the ethernet slot |
| 21:41.05 | abrotman | thesage: got a URL for the driver ? |
| 21:41.21 | trave11er | raf256: i need the _real_ name of the module, because i'm going to look at the module source to see whether it accepts any parameters, which might help the situation |
| 21:41.36 | thesage | Have one thats close, they exact driver is only on the cd. |
| 21:41.49 | thesage | viewsonic decided not to host it on the web |
| 21:42.11 | abrotman | thesage: i'm sure it's there .. i'm looking now .. wpci-100 ? |
| 21:42.24 | thesage | yeah |
| 21:42.30 | mrgenixus | if dpkg-reconfigure reports a system package (tetex-bin) is broken hw do I fix it? |
| 21:42.34 | abrotman | thesage: oh jeez .. you're right |
| 21:42.36 | raf256 | trave11er: how to check the names? |
| 21:42.37 | mrgenixus | can I fource re-install it? |
| 21:42.43 | thesage | they have wpcc100, which is close |
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| 21:42.51 | thesage | it's the pc card version |
| 21:43.02 | thesage | I think they are the same drivers, just named differently |
| 21:43.14 | mrgenixus | in order to configure this package it seems to need itself |
| 21:43.27 | abrotman | thesage: did you try to unzip the exe ? |
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| 21:43.45 | paster | "sbk" at 63.145.232.32 pasted "perl/ulimit" (18 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/283 |
| 21:43.53 | l337 | hi |
| 21:44.00 | sbk | buu: see paster url for the symptom |
| 21:44.04 | Kylixen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.13 | thesage | they setup.exe? |
| 21:44.24 | mrgenixus | does anyone know how to fix tetex-bin? |
| 21:44.30 | mrgenixus | it's broken somehow? |
| 21:44.34 | abrotman | thesage: sure .. why not |
| 21:44.36 | raf256 | how do I install the kernel source for given kernel? |
| 21:44.42 | mrgenixus | I'm not really even sure how to check the version. |
| 21:44.49 | abrotman | raf256: apt-cache search kernel-image- |
| 21:44.53 | mrgenixus | what's more it won'e configre |
| 21:44.53 | abrotman | err -source- |
| 21:45.04 | raf256 | kernel-source-2.6.8 packages installs the 2.6.8-2 source? |
| 21:45.11 | trave11er | raf256: apt-get install kernel-source-<version> |
| 21:45.14 | raf256 | or just the main 2.6.8 |
| 21:45.19 | abrotman | raf256: yes |
| 21:45.19 | phogg | raf256: yes, isn't it amazing? |
| 21:45.27 | raf256 | phogg: it freaking is O_o |
| 21:45.48 | l337 | could someone help me w/ startx |
| 21:45.49 | mrgenixus | any way to fix a package without using dpkg |
| 21:45.51 | Kylixen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.55 | mrgenixus | lee7 what? |
| 21:45.58 | l337 | i get errors |
| 21:46.03 | gravity | What kind of errors |
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| 21:46.31 | l337 | it says like no such directory |
| 21:46.35 | mrgenixus | am I asking my question in thw wrong way? in th wrong channel? |
| 21:46.43 | raf256 | ok... so Im now going to just move the HDD from VIA AMD 2000 box into NForce3 Amd64 box... will my debian32 work? apart from need to install nvidia.com drivers for full support on builtin lan&sound? can I use athcool? Other pitfalls to watchout? |
| 21:46.46 | l337 | and like no files exist |
| 21:46.47 | mrgenixus | l337 following what line? |
| 21:47.20 | mrgenixus | can someone help me fix dpkg erros |
| 21:47.37 | bonez41 | mrgenixus: what prevents you from employing dpkg to fix the error? |
| 21:47.57 | raf256 | !someone |
| 21:47.57 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 21:48.06 | mrgenixus | um, dpkg is broken |
| 21:48.06 | l337 | does n e one know where to download red hat?> |
| 21:48.12 | raf256 | !anyone |
| 21:48.12 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 21:48.18 | mrgenixus | bonez41: it seems I broke tetex-bin |
| 21:48.41 | sbk | buu: awake? Or thinking? :) |
| 21:48.43 | raf256 | !everyone |
| 21:48.48 | raf256 | hmm |
| 21:48.52 | paulswm | Not very friggin' l337 after all was he |
| 21:48.55 | mrgenixus | bonez41: that's not really a big deal except that tetex0bin depneds tetex-bin to configur |
| 21:48.55 | buu | No |
| 21:48.56 | bonez41 | mrgenixus: what about just running apt-get purge tetex-bin and then reinstalling it? |
| 21:48.57 | chealer | !sunday preview |
| 21:48.58 | rbochan | heh |
| 21:49.04 | robin_sz | oh dear ... |
| 21:49.10 | raf256 | so.. no pitfalls to watch when moving to Amd64 CPU+MB(NForce3) ? |
| 21:49.11 | robin_sz | i thnk my wife is drunk ... |
| 21:49.17 | mrgenixus | bonez41 tetex-bin depends self it seems |
| 21:49.30 | robin_sz | this is bad |
| 21:49.42 | phogg | robin_sz: why bad? |
| 21:49.43 | buu | robin_sz: Sounds like a feature to me |
| 21:49.53 | thesage | ok, I installed the drivers on my WinXP machine. Just gonna copy everything to cd and install it that way. Thanks :) |
| 21:49.54 | robin_sz | phogg: because she is driving my car? |
| 21:50.05 | sbk | buu: no meaning -- no clue why it's not working the way you suggested? |
| 21:50.10 | phogg | robin_sz: that does sound bad |
| 21:50.21 | raf256 | robin_sz: ;) |
| 21:50.37 | buu | sbk: Er, what are you doing? |
| 21:50.52 | sbk | buu: see http://channels.debian.net/paste/283 |
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| 21:51.01 | l337 | hi |
| 21:51.02 | raf256 | anyone ( ;) moved recently debian32 onto Amd64 CPU+MB and just boot it? |
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| 21:51.37 | buu | sbk: Weirdness. |
| 21:51.45 | metaperl | buu: sup? |
| 21:51.51 | buu | GO AWAY YOU FREAKS. |
| 21:51.52 | Wyzard | raf256: I haven't done it, but the processor change shouldn't cause a problem since AMD64 can run 32-bit code just fine |
| 21:51.55 | metaperl | Supaplex: what it is? |
| 21:52.00 | stouset | Wyzard: He left =P |
| 21:52.07 | Wyzard | ah, indeed |
| 21:52.20 | robin_sz | oh, foo. no mysql-devel, but many tings with 10,12 or 14 at the end |
| 21:52.41 | robin_sz | does it matter which one I pick? |
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| 21:53.09 | Wyzard | robin_sz: I don't use MySQL, but those packages probably correspond to different versions of it |
| 21:53.13 | Thanatermesis | in stable version of debian.... |
| 21:53.18 | Wyzard | robin_sz: If they were all the same, they wouldn't be separate packages |
| 21:53.20 | Thanatermesis | not works "apt-get install xchat" ?? |
| 21:53.24 | robin_sz | Wyzard: hmmm |
| 21:53.35 | phogg | Thanatermesis: you'll have to be more specific |
| 21:53.36 | robin_sz | ah ok, righty |
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| 21:53.56 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.56 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:54.03 | l337 | how do you register a nick name?????? |
| 21:54.16 | crocodile | hello .. how to setup one printer in debian with gnome ? |
| 21:54.20 | crocodile | loca printer |
| 21:54.22 | crocodile | ops |
| 21:54.24 | crocodile | local printer |
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| 21:54.31 | phogg | l337: /msg nickserv help |
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| 21:54.40 | kab00m | hi folks |
| 21:54.47 | robin_sz | hi |
| 21:54.48 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: The version of xchat in sarge depends on libperl5.8 (>= 5.8.4) |
| 21:55.06 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: Whatever xchat you're installing, it's not the sarge one |
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| 21:55.32 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: same goes for libatk1... should be (>= 1.7.2) |
| 21:55.52 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: "apt-cache policy xchat" |
| 21:55.57 | crocodile | how to setup one local printer ? |
| 21:56.10 | crocodile | i am using gnome .. not KDE |
| 21:56.22 | paulswm | sbk: #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 21:56.23 | paulswm | $lim = `echo \$(ulimit -n)`; |
| 21:56.23 | paulswm | chop($lim); |
| 21:56.23 | paulswm | print "limit is $lim\n"; |
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| 21:56.28 | crocodile | i made apt-get --purge remove KDE |
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| 21:56.35 | Eulex | !tell crocodile about repeat |
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| 21:56.46 | paulswm | sbk: you get that? |
| 21:56.47 | bonez41 | does 'df' show file size, when files in a folder are actually on a different partition, i.e., df symbolic/link/name? |
| 21:56.49 | Thanatermesis | good |
| 21:56.50 | Thanatermesis | thanks |
| 21:57.00 | Thanatermesis | is a line of "kanotix" the problem :) |
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| 21:57.07 | crocodile | ok Eulex |
| 21:57.19 | MobyTurbo | crocodile: you don't need GNOME or KDE to set up your printer. apsfilter, some people swear by CUPS which has a web browser front-end |
| 21:57.24 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: yes because GNUSTEP IS SO TEH BESTEST!!1oneone1 LOLZ |
| 21:57.36 | paulswm | !irritate tarzeau |
| 21:57.36 | dpkg | tarzeau: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx |
| 21:57.42 | mrgenixus | exit |
| 21:57.53 | crocodile | MobyTurbo, thanks |
| 21:57.57 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: I'm not surprised... installing packages from other distros on Debian is generally a bad idea unless you know what you're doing (and even then it's best avoided if possible) |
| 21:58.38 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: GNUstep *is* pretty cool, too bad more applications are written for other platforms. |
| 21:59.25 | sbk | buu: ok, mystery solved. I need quotes surrounding -c of course, because right now it is just printing tthe output of "ulimit" as opposed to "ulimit -n" :) |
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| 21:59.46 | Eulex | Thanatermesis, your distro ain't enough up-to-date in certain areas to run that app |
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| 22:00.04 | Thanatermesis | Yes Wyzard , Im not remember to have this line... ok, works good |
| 22:00.20 | Wyzard | Eulex: He's running sarge (apparently) but had a Kanotix line in his sources.list, and apt was trying to get xchat from there |
| 22:00.30 | Eulex | Wyzard, oh ok |
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| 22:01.00 | foo | I go to BIOS > Devices > Video Setup > Select Active Video: PCI .. but it doesn't detect my GeForce 4 AGP card. All I have is PCI, and Integrated. Hmm, not that it doesn't detect the card, but video doesn't show in it. Any ideas? |
| 22:01.29 | Thanatermesis | Wyzard, Im creating a distro, I have needed one package from kanotix and not remember to delete... hehe |
| 22:01.32 | Wyzard | foo: That BIOS setting is only for which monitor is used for the text display during the startup process... it has nothing to do with Debian detecting available video cards |
| 22:01.51 | foo | Wyzard: hmm |
| 22:01.53 | bonez41 | I delete several files at the console....not in any GUI...do they get fully deleted then and there or sent to some recycle bin first? |
| 22:01.59 | foo | Wyzard: So I should setup the card in debian? |
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| 22:02.27 | Wyzard | foo: If you want to use it in Debian, yes |
| 22:02.31 | Wyzard | foo: Does "lspci" show it? |
| 22:02.46 | Eulex | foo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:02.51 | paulswm | sbk: I gave you an answer, guess you ignored it |
| 22:02.57 | diesel | I just did a fresh install of debian, installed apache v 1.3, and changed the index.html, however browser still loads the debian default page. My document root is set to /var/www which is where I changed the index.html page. I also made sure that my DirectoryIndex states index.html. Any suggestions? |
| 22:03.05 | Eulex | bonez41, fully deleted |
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| 22:03.22 | metaperl | any Wine users have any idea why my install and attempt to run Myth II failed? transcript here: http://pastebin.ca/16673 |
| 22:03.25 | foo | Wyzard: Eh, I can't even get debian to boot now, just has a blinking cursor |
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| 22:03.46 | Wyzard | foo: hehe... well, that's a different problem entirely :-) |
| 22:03.50 | Eulex | foo: how far does it boot? |
| 22:03.53 | foo | Wyzard: Yeahh |
| 22:03.56 | foo | Eulex: Past BIOS |
| 22:03.56 | foo | hmm |
| 22:03.57 | transgress | how do i use dpkg in here again? |
| 22:04.11 | bonez41 | Eulex: why then would deleting 92 mb of files...result in df -h still showing no space.. |
| 22:04.11 | Eulex | transgress, man dpkg |
| 22:04.18 | transgress | Eulex i meant the bot... |
| 22:04.27 | paulswm | transgress: /msg dpkg |
| 22:04.32 | Eulex | transgress, oh |
| 22:04.34 | wooden | its realy frightening how good kde/qt in the meantime is ... good apps, its working... it looks good :> |
| 22:04.40 | Wyzard | bonez39: If some running program has the files open, their disk space won't actually be freed until the files are closed |
| 22:04.41 | wooden | <- ex openbox/rox user |
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| 22:04.59 | bucky | diesel, what does it say in your address bar? http://localhost/apache2-default ? |
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| 22:05.36 | Eulex | foo: any sign that debian is booting? do you get into grub/lilo/whatever? |
| 22:05.40 | diesel | bucky, http://ip_address |
| 22:05.42 | Wyzard | bonez39: Or, if you're using ext2/ext3 and the files were owned by root, keep in mind that ext2/ext3 "reserves" a small amount of space (5% by default) for use by root, that isn't counted by "df" |
| 22:05.51 | diesel | bucky, I am not using apache2. |
| 22:05.56 | foo | Eulex: Nope. It just worked, hmm |
| 22:06.24 | transgress | brb |
| 22:06.25 | Eulex | foo: eh? |
| 22:06.25 | Wyzard | bonez39: so if those files were created by root after the disk was already "full", deleting them won't visibly free any space |
| 22:06.42 | Eulex | Wyzard, he's bonez41, not bonez39 |
| 22:06.44 | metaperl | how do I find out what package libGL.a is part of ? the cvs version of Wine says to remove it or it won't continue the configure/build/install process |
| 22:06.46 | foo | Eulex: Going to try to put working video to ntegrated |
| 22:07.02 | Wyzard | grr |
| 22:07.14 | Wyzard | bonez41: see my comments above to bonez39, and consider changing your nick :-) |
| 22:07.16 | James_Ward | What's the best way to determine the closest/best mirror? |
| 22:07.24 | James_Ward | For netinstall. |
| 22:07.25 | Eulex | metaperl, dlocate -S libGl.a |
| 22:07.34 | metaperl | Eulex: thanks |
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| 22:07.49 | Eulex | James_Ward, well, traceroute all of them, and see which of them has the fewest hops :P |
| 22:07.54 | bucky | diesel, clear the cache on your browser? |
| 22:08.15 | James_Ward | I was afraid you'd say that... |
| 22:08.17 | Wyzard | James_Ward: apt-spy is meant for that, but I dunno if you can use it during installation |
| 22:08.28 | James_Ward | I have it ubuntu maybe? |
| 22:08.29 | diesel | bucky, I know to clear the cache...I did many times. |
| 22:08.45 | Wyzard | James_Ward: If in doubt, just pick a mirror in your country, (which should be at least reasonably fast), finish your installation, and then use apt-spy later |
| 22:08.47 | James_Ward | I have an ubuntu mchine sitting riht next to the install machine. |
| 22:08.57 | Wyzard | James_Ward: OK, then use apt-spy there |
| 22:08.57 | metaperl | dlocate did not find it... but someone earlier I recall said libMesa or something similar had it |
| 22:09.02 | Eulex | metaperl: at least *I* haven'tgot that file at all... |
| 22:09.14 | diesel | Here is the interesting part. I just tried lynx on the computer itself (http://loclhost) and it went to the correct page. |
| 22:09.26 | bucky | diesel, did you restart apache after you changed it's config files? |
| 22:09.30 | bonez41 | Wyzard: one is my nick at home, other is nick here at work.. |
| 22:09.35 | diesel | bucky, yes |
| 22:09.40 | Eulex | metaperl: do locate libGl.a to see if it's on your system at all |
| 22:09.42 | metaperl | Eulex: it's libGL.a, not libGl.a |
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| 22:09.49 | Eulex | metaperl: oh |
| 22:09.50 | metaperl | Eulex: yes, I just did |
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| 22:09.51 | bonez41 | Wyzard: ok, I'll close out and then recheck the sizing...thanks.. |
| 22:10.20 | Eulex | metaperl: dlocate -S libGL.a returns xlib-mesa-dev |
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| 22:11.23 | Eulex | compilation of wxgtk2.6 fails with "g++: compilation of header file requested". anyone got any idea what's wrong? |
| 22:11.28 | x2 | hi everyone, im just wondering if there is a command to output the motherboard details |
| 22:11.41 | fhffhqvb | lspci? |
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| 22:12.19 | x2 | ahh ha. thanks |
| 22:12.33 | fhffhqvb | !biosid |
| 22:12.34 | dpkg | http://bakunin.xs4all.nl/software/biosid-0.23.tar.gz |
| 22:12.36 | fhffhqvb | or that |
| 22:12.44 | Eulex | x2: lshw and lshw-gtk are good too... |
| 22:12.57 | x2 | thanks |
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| 22:14.05 | Eulex | or do anyone know where to get unofficial debs of wxgtk2.6? |
| 22:14.32 | rbochan | have you checked apt-get.org? |
| 22:14.50 | Eulex | rbochan: yes |
| 22:14.55 | diesel | bucky, interestingly lynx http://localhost will go to the correct index.html, but browsing from lynx on another machine will take me to the default apache+debian page. |
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| 22:17.29 | mattttt | how do I run a process which will continue to run when my session is closed ? script.sh & does not work. |
| 22:17.37 | Wyzard | mattttt: nohup |
| 22:17.50 | Wyzard | man nohup |
| 22:18.00 | gravity | or screen |
| 22:18.00 | James_Ward | Okay, I would like to know the minimum packages needed on a clean install to be able to then install madwifi on top of it. |
| 22:18.28 | Wyzard | James_Ward: There are unofficial packages of madwifi somewhere |
| 22:18.30 | gravity | James_Ward: Just install a minimal install and then install madwifi and let apt do the hard thinking |
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| 22:19.10 | Wyzard | James_Ward: though I've been told (but not tested for myself) that the packaged version doesn't support WPA, and that you must use the CVS version for that |
| 22:19.11 | James_Ward | minimal install == pick no packages? |
| 22:19.21 | quitte | i'm trying to setup a system with a ruby patched kernel. according to /sys the first vc of vt1 is 16 and using the second keyboard, but still X uses the first keyboard if i run it on tty16 |
| 22:19.22 | James_Ward | I don't need WPA. |
| 22:19.23 | Eulex | James_Ward, apt will pick them for you |
| 22:19.29 | chealer | topic #madwifi : New Debian packages available: http://kanotix.com/files/debian/madwifi/ - thx kelmo! |
| 22:19.32 | mattttt | thanks #debian |
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| 22:19.39 | Wyzard | James_Ward: Then go find that unofficial apt source and use it |
| 22:19.46 | James_Ward | I made the mistake of selecting desktop... OMFG! |
| 22:19.51 | Wyzard | James_Ward: Doesn't matter what you have installed already, because apt will pull in whatever dependencies are necessary |
| 22:19.59 | foo | Eulex: hmm, that didn't work. Shoot, this is weird. I think last time this happened with this box the hard drive was bad... but I don't get how this hard drive could be bad |
| 22:20.06 | Wyzard | James_Ward: Picking the desktop task isn't a mistake |
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| 22:20.18 | James_Ward | It is if you only have a 2G disk... |
| 22:20.27 | rbochan | heh |
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| 22:20.33 | Eulex | foo: if you want light-weight, don't pick a thing in that menu |
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| 22:20.46 | James_Ward | That would be the minimal install then? |
| 22:20.48 | pipeline | James_Ward: tasksel is evil. Next time, install x-window-system + gnome-desktop-environment |
| 22:20.52 | foo | Eulex: Going to reset to defaults. "light weight" - what do you mean? |
| 22:20.56 | Wyzard | James_Ward: Picking the desktop task on a machine you want to use as a desktop is not a mistake, but wanting to use a machine with a 2GB disk as a desktop is a mistake :-) |
| 22:21.04 | James_Ward | Si! |
| 22:21.06 | Eulex | foo: sorry, meant James_Ward |
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| 22:21.09 | kazim | hi |
| 22:21.12 | foo | Eulex: o ok |
| 22:21.16 | James_Ward | I want a wireless toy. |
| 22:21.31 | James_Ward | Web browser, etc. |
| 22:21.34 | pipeline | Wyzard, James_Ward : Bullshit. A full gnome + debian fits inside of a gig, easily |
| 22:21.36 | kazim | anyone know a good tool so see if an hard drive is realy dead ? any soft but the Maxtor one plz ? |
| 22:21.41 | Eulex | James_Ward, for a 2g disk I'd recommend to not use kde or gnome, maybe xfce or even something like fluxbox or icewm |
| 22:21.46 | James_Ward | Gnome + KDE doesn't. |
| 22:21.49 | pipeline | Wyzard, James_Ward : Word processor, games, browser, etc |
| 22:21.58 | James_Ward | XFCE is the ticket. |
| 22:22.00 | pipeline | James_Ward: That's because it's installing the "Gnome" package, not the "gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 22:22.10 | pipeline | James_Ward: The "gnome" package includes hundreds of megs of stuff that aren't part of gnome, oddly :P |
| 22:22.19 | pipeline | James_Ward: the g-d-e package is much smaller |
| 22:22.24 | James_Ward | KDE seemed even bigger. |
| 22:22.27 | Wyzard | pipeline: My laptop (running GNOME) has 3.5GB used, and I don't really have lots of extra software installed on it |
| 22:22.46 | James_Ward | My ubuntu subnote has ubuntu at 1.7G. |
| 22:22.47 | foo | Eulex: Hmm, says No operating system found. hmm, weird. |
| 22:22.47 | pipeline | Wyzard: Yes, yes you do. |
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| 22:23.06 | pipeline | Wyzard: I mean, christ, I've set up literally dozens of machines with just gnome+debian. |
| 22:23.10 | Eulex | foo: you've probably messed up your mbr |
| 22:23.31 | James_Ward | If I can get this to wotk with debian on the HP, I'll reinstall the subnotebook with debian. Ubuntu is a bit fat... |
| 22:23.32 | pipeline | kazim: You don't need a tool to know that a hard drive is dead. |
| 22:23.40 | foo | Eulex: By doing what? How can I fix it? hmm |
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| 22:23.47 | Eulex | foo; find that grub boot floppy, and use it to recover your mbr |
| 22:23.55 | deadcat | what the fuckis wrong with libapache-gallery-perl again? fuck. |
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| 22:24.04 | quitte | after i echoed isa0060/serio/input0 to proc/bus/console/00/keyboard i can use the oter keyboard but the old keyboard doesn't work anymore. any idea what i doing wrong? |
| 22:24.06 | pipeline | James_Ward: What's so hard? It's the same installer... |
| 22:24.14 | Wyzard | pipeline: Some devel stuff, a few small games (like ToME and xconq)... some GNOME apps (including tomboy, which pulls in mono) |
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| 22:24.19 | Nwallins | any opinions on bind9 vs. say, djbdns? |
| 22:24.24 | pipatron | Wyzard: Don't forget armagetron |
| 22:24.24 | James_Ward | pipeline, I opnly have 32M RAM. |
| 22:24.29 | James_Ward | ubuntu chokes. |
| 22:24.30 | pipeline | Wyzard: You have a little less than three gigs of extra crap. |
| 22:24.30 | kazim | pipeline: i can some some of the data |
| 22:24.33 | Wyzard | pipatron: Not on a system without hardware 3D |
| 22:24.34 | pipeline | James_Ward: Nothing will run well in 32M RAM. |
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| 22:24.40 | kazim | pipeline: but i have seek error etc |
| 22:24.44 | dave41 | salut a tous |
| 22:24.46 | Eulex | !tell Nwallins about opinions |
| 22:24.46 | pipeline | James_Ward: 32M RAM is pushing it even for an X terminal that's running no software at all. |
| 22:24.47 | James_Ward | XFCE isn't bad. |
| 22:24.53 | pipeline | James_Ward: Programs more complex than xterm are going to be a bit of a swap-fest. |
| 22:24.54 | Nwallins | are they like assholes? |
| 22:24.59 | Wyzard | pipeline: Kernel source tree and a copy of Eclipse, admittedly |
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| 22:25.10 | Eulex | James_Ward, then you need something like fluxbox or icewm, xfce will be too much for it |
| 22:25.12 | Diguinho | can anybody tell me why you're saying sid is once again literally unstable? |
| 22:25.19 | pipeline | kazim: If you have problems, then yes, it's probably dead. |
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| 22:25.27 | pipeline | Diguinho: Because Sarge just came out and development is moving really, really fast again. |
| 22:25.29 | Nwallins | Eulex: dpkg told me not to air my own opinions.. nothing about soliciting them |
| 22:25.30 | Wyzard | pipeline: I don't dispute that you can fit a basic GNOME system in 2GB, but you won't have much room for useful apps or your own files |
| 22:25.33 | James_Ward | pipleline The best setup so far has been svncviewer running against a desktop on a server, |
| 22:25.36 | Diguinho | oh ... |
| 22:25.39 | Diguinho | that's nice |
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| 22:25.48 | Diguinho | but I don't think it's that unstable. |
| 22:25.53 | pipeline | Wyzard: 2G isn't much room for your own files in itself. It's more than enough room for Gnome and the bells and whistles. |
| 22:26.02 | kazim | pipeline: it's the probably that make me search for a tool :( |
| 22:26.21 | pipeline | kazim: It's not a probabilitiy. You have problems? They're hardware problems? not very many possibilities left. |
| 22:26.23 | Eulex | Nwallins: whatever |
| 22:26.32 | pipeline | kazim: You could check your cabling though. |
| 22:26.40 | Nwallins | I'm running a small LAN that does not have domain name registered. I want to have a local DNS (cache?) service to avoid problems when my ISP's DNS servers have issues |
| 22:26.53 | kazim | pipeline: They're hardware problems => i don't really know |
| 22:27.11 | kazim | pipeline: fsck seems correct error but after he say clean some error come back |
| 22:27.22 | Nwallins | Eulex: thanks buddy, uber helpful |
| 22:27.22 | kazim | pipeline: hum perhaps yeah :/ |
| 22:27.40 | Eulex | kazim: *big* sign for faulty hd |
| 22:27.43 | kazim | pipeline: but no other thing than fsck ? |
| 22:28.03 | foo | err0rr: I get an error when turning on says "ERROR: Configuration has changed" - then I presss F1 to Resume.. goes to PXE, fails. Says no operating system found. Hmm. So I need to get a grub boot disk, right? |
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| 22:28.12 | kazim | Eulex: yeah ? even if i can read data on them ? |
| 22:28.18 | foo | Eulex: ^^ |
| 22:28.27 | foo | Eulex: Hmm, what about a debian CD? |
| 22:28.31 | Diguinho | Do you know why sid Packages.gz shrank? |
| 22:28.31 | kazim | was on soft raid using mdadm ... and both drive where hurt :( |
| 22:28.34 | foo | Eulex: I think I have the install cd somewhere. |
| 22:28.42 | kenon | Does anybody know why the http://non-us.debian.org/dists/testing link has gone? |
| 22:29.00 | Nwallins | kenon i think the non-us distinction no longer exists.. not sure |
| 22:29.04 | Eulex | !topicsmite kenon |
| 22:29.05 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon kenon. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:29.17 | kenon | Gah. |
| 22:29.26 | Eulex | kazim: yes... if it randomly destroys data, it's most probably a hw problem |
| 22:29.44 | Eulex | kazim: cos ext3 is stable as rock |
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| 22:30.04 | abyss | lo |
| 22:30.06 | Eulex | foo: I dunno if you can use the debian cd... |
| 22:30.14 | riteshsarraf | can squirrelmail use an imap server on another machine ? |
| 22:30.18 | abyss | got a problem with my wlan usb stick (zd1211) |
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| 22:30.39 | Eulex | abyss: umh... wlan usb stick??? |
| 22:30.45 | abyss | i am connected to my ap, but i cant ping anything inside the wlan |
| 22:30.52 | James_Ward | riteshsarraf, Yes. |
| 22:30.55 | quitte | so noone has an idea what im doing wrong with ruby? |
| 22:30.59 | Diguinho | can anybody tell me why sid's Packages.gz shrank? |
| 22:31.00 | Eulex | abyss: oh, sorry, was assuming usb drive |
| 22:31.08 | kazim | Eulex: hw ? |
| 22:31.17 | abyss | KWifiManager says connected |
| 22:31.24 | Eulex | !tell kazim about hw |
| 22:31.27 | abyss | 11 Mbits |
| 22:31.37 | abyss | all data from ap show is correct |
| 22:31.37 | riteshsarraf | jim: Is there any extra setting required besides the default. I'm thrown back to the login error page even though every credential is given correct |
| 22:31.46 | Eulex | abyss: you need to run dhclient? |
| 22:31.49 | abyss | dhcp offer successfully |
| 22:31.51 | kazim | Eulex: hardware :) okay :) |
| 22:31.57 | riteshsarraf | James_Ward: Is there any extra setting required besides the default. I'm thrown back to the login error page even though every credential is given correct |
| 22:31.58 | abyss | all seems to be okay |
| 22:32.15 | abyss | but cannot ping anything in the infra |
| 22:32.20 | abyss | or use http |
| 22:32.22 | kazim | Eulex: okay thanks for info i lllchange drives tomorrow and by a 3ware 7506, 3ware is good on debian no ? |
| 22:32.27 | James_Ward | riteshsarraf, No idea, I'd check the squireelmail resources |
| 22:32.38 | riteshsarraf | James_Ward: Okay |
| 22:32.46 | sbk | paulswm: sorry -- didn't notice your solution -- that work too, thanks much |
| 22:32.51 | Eulex | abyss: ifconfig shows correct setup? |
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| 22:33.16 | abyss | wlan0 Protokoll:Ethernet Hardware Adresse 00:0C:F6:11:DB:B4 |
| 22:33.16 | abyss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:34.18 | Eulex | abyss: your config is not ok |
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| 22:34.40 | Eulex | abyss: you nee to run a dhcp client like dhclient pump to set up your wlan |
| 22:34.42 | abyss | wlan0 Protokoll:Ethernet Hardware Adresse 00:0C:F6:11:DB:B4 |
| 22:34.42 | abyss | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.42 | abyss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:34.59 | Eulex | abyss: and please do not *paste* |
| 22:34.59 | abyss | but it does not work to ping anything |
| 22:35.04 | abyss | okay |
| 22:35.07 | abyss | nvm |
| 22:35.10 | Eulex | abyss: ok, that looks ok |
| 22:35.30 | abyss | but works not |
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| 22:35.59 | abyss | the interface got an ip address by dhcp |
| 22:36.12 | James_Ward | No default route? |
| 22:36.18 | abyss | and other clients are able to ping my computer, but i cant ping others |
| 22:36.27 | abyss | route is set |
| 22:36.39 | James_Ward | To what? |
| 22:36.50 | Eulex | abyss: can you ping ip's and not domains? then try to ping 216.239.37.99 (which is google) |
| 22:36.56 | abyss | 192.168.98.0 * 255.255.254.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 |
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| 22:37.09 | James_Ward | That's not a default route. |
| 22:37.15 | abyss | ping does not work either for dns or for ip |
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| 22:37.24 | abyss | ping doesnt even work with arping |
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| 22:37.41 | abyss | default gate.hq.cia-spa 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 22:37.52 | abyss | this is the only default route |
| 22:37.59 | Eulex | abyss, it's set up to use your wired net |
| 22:38.01 | James_Ward | default 65.197.223.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ath0 |
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| 22:38.10 | Eulex | abyss: *eth0* |
| 22:38.17 | James_Ward | Yep |
| 22:38.20 | abyss | i see |
| 22:38.35 | abyss | but ping should work without default route?! |
| 22:38.42 | James_Ward | No. |
| 22:38.43 | Eulex | abyss, no |
| 22:38.47 | abyss | ok |
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| 22:40.04 | James_Ward | Is it possible to plug a 32 b it PCMCIA card into a 16 bit slot and have it work? |
| 22:40.05 | Eulex | hmm... I*m not sure how to set it to use the wireless instead of the wired... anyone else could help abyss with that? |
| 22:40.24 | James_Ward | He just deletes the default route and creates another to the wlan0. |
| 22:40.59 | shingouz | Eulex: set it up just like a wired connection |
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| 22:41.25 | abyss | so i added the default route for the interface wlan0 |
| 22:41.29 | Eulex | James_Ward, should work... if the laptop wupports it |
| 22:41.34 | abyss | but ping doesnt work |
| 22:41.34 | Eulex | *supports |
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| 22:42.13 | Eulex | abyss: how does your default route look now? |
| 22:42.20 | James_Ward | Eulex, Well the card has been working, but the network drops, system freezes and occassionally the kernel panics. I'm wondering if it is because it's a 16 bit slot maybe? |
| 22:42.36 | James_Ward | Or just flakey madwifi driverness, |
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| 22:43.02 | Eulex | maybe, maybe not |
| 22:43.27 | James_Ward | The machine is circa 1995-1998. Could it have 32 bit slots? |
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| 22:45.13 | abyss | default gate.hq.cia-spa 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 |
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| 22:45.23 | abyss | so im back |
| 22:45.28 | ninja | hello all |
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| 22:45.36 | abyss | i added the default route for my wireless lan interface |
| 22:45.40 | abyss | but ping doenst work |
| 22:45.45 | James_Ward | abyss, Does it work? |
| 22:45.55 | abyss | default gate.hq.cia-spa 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 22:45.58 | abyss | no |
| 22:45.59 | Eulex | James_Ward, http://www.pcmcia.org/papers/cardbus.htm => maybe |
| 22:46.27 | abyss | is it allowed to have more than one default route? |
| 22:46.40 | James_Ward | No. |
| 22:46.52 | abyss | only one per each interface |
| 22:46.53 | abyss | or overall? |
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| 22:47.15 | Kerr | fdisk -l shows my camear as being /dev/sdb1 .. it's in fstab and has worked before. I try to mount /dev/sdb1 and it doesn't exist :-/ what gives? |
| 22:47.19 | Kerr | camera^ |
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| 22:47.54 | James_Ward | One period I think. |
| 22:47.58 | Eulex | James_Ward, http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/news/articles/story_933.html => even more maybe -- "PCMCIA slots have been standard on notebook computers since 1997" |
| 22:48.03 | abyss | ok brb totry |
| 22:48.37 | James_Ward | Eulex, Well maybe it will work with the right kernel/madwifi combo. |
| 22:49.25 | Eulex | Kerr, does fdisk -l still show it as /dev/sdb1? cos scsi devices can sometimes have the last number in the device file increased... |
| 22:49.31 | Eulex | James_Ward, yeah |
| 22:49.51 | Eulex | James_Ward, maybe an older kernel for an older machine? or am i assuming wrong? |
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| 22:50.05 | Eulex | or, I dunno |
| 22:50.14 | abyss | how i can replace the old default entrie? i cannot del it! |
| 22:50.18 | James_Ward | Eulex, Ubuntu has a 2.6 kernel. This debian setup has failked before with 2.4. Should I get 2.6 debian kernel before I try it again? |
| 22:50.31 | Wyzard | When submitting a comment on a bug report in the BTS, does the comment automatically get sent to the package maintainer,, or do I need to CC? |
| 22:50.43 | James_Ward | Eulex, Mine uses 586 kernels. |
| 22:50.53 | Eulex | James_Ward, I dunno |
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| 22:51.10 | Eulex | Wyzard, afaik it gets sent to the maintainer |
| 22:51.15 | James_Ward | Eulex, Debian does support the 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:51.23 | Eulex | James_Ward, yes |
| 22:51.52 | Eulex | James_Ward, debian etch has 2.4.27, 2.6.8 and 2.6.11 |
| 22:51.54 | Kerr | Eulex: it stopped seeing it as i was browsing images, now it sees it again. |
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| 22:52.08 | James_Ward | debian etch? |
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| 22:52.47 | Eulex | !etch |
| 22:52.48 | Draconicus | GYAHAHAHA... |
| 22:52.48 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 22:52.51 | Draconicus | All I needed was a REBOOT. |
| 22:52.55 | James_Ward | Ah etch is after sarge, |
| 22:52.58 | Draconicus | Laugh! Laught with me! AHAHAHAHAA |
| 22:53.12 | quitte | yay! got it working. |
| 22:53.14 | m00p | replace with 'has'' |
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| 22:53.50 | ninja | anyone else a noob |
| 22:53.52 | Draconicus | Who was helping me? I'd like to apologize. |
| 22:54.01 | Eulex | James_Ward, that info dpkg had about sarge was wrong; sarge is released and etch is testing |
| 22:54.06 | Eulex | !noob |
| 22:54.06 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 22:54.22 | pngwn | !pmm |
| 22:54.23 | dpkg | from memory, pmm is please /msg me, don't make me spew to the channel, or you can go to #debian-bots if you want to play with me |
| 22:54.23 | ninja | how |
| 22:54.27 | James_Ward | How do I go from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:54.34 | m00p | omg |
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| 22:54.40 | Eulex | pngwn, sorry |
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| 22:54.56 | Eulex | James_Ward, apt-get install the new one |
| 22:55.02 | ninja | dpkg how can you tell? |
| 22:55.04 | Kerr | now it's Bus 001 Device 013: ID 04fc:5331 Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd |
| 22:55.14 | James_Ward | Eulex, Check. |
| 22:55.15 | Kerr | and fdisk -l does not see it. (camera) |
| 22:55.22 | gin_ | i can't mount my hdd, DVD device..somebody can help me ? |
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| 22:55.35 | gin_ | mount -o ro,uid=gin /dev/hdc /mnt/DVD |
| 22:55.35 | gin_ | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 22:55.47 | James_Ward | -t iso9660? |
| 22:55.51 | gin_ | thats the mistake |
| 22:55.59 | Eulex | James_Ward, eh? |
| 22:56.02 | m00p | Kerr, fdisk got notw todo with camera |
| 22:56.11 | James_Ward | Eulex, For gin~ |
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| 22:56.18 | gin_ | James_Ward, that is the type for cdrom |
| 22:56.34 | Eulex | gin_, == file system type |
| 22:56.38 | James_Ward | gin, I think linux sees them as the same? |
| 22:57.14 | Laibsch | I am looking for a personal Todo List/Task manager that has tasks and sub-tasks and works across the network (I work from several computers). web-based is fine, too, as long as it is fast. Any suggestions? |
| 22:57.18 | Kerr | m00p: usb camera, i'm trying to access the flash. |
| 22:57.27 | gin_ | James_Ward check this: |
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| 22:57.29 | gin_ | mount -t iso9660 -o ro,uid=gin /dev/hdd /mnt/DVD |
| 22:57.29 | gin_ | mount: No medium found |
| 22:57.41 | Kerr | now fdisk sees /dev/sdb1 but i can't mount it again.. |
| 22:57.41 | James_Ward | Laibsch, Yahoo? |
| 22:57.49 | Eulex | gin_, have uou got anything in the drive? |
| 22:58.01 | gin_ | Eulex, no . |
| 22:58.07 | James_Ward | Doh! |
| 22:58.08 | Eulex | gin_, that's your problem |
| 22:58.11 | m00p | Kerr, good luck. not my area but i know the probs |
| 22:58.27 | gin_ | Eulex i need have some disk in the DVD ? |
| 22:58.34 | Eulex | gin_, put a data cd into the drive and try again |
| 22:58.38 | Eulex | gin_, yes |
| 22:58.43 | James_Ward | gin, You can't mount air... |
| 22:59.00 | gin_ | ohh i did |
| 22:59.00 | hellz | hi, i have plugged in my 3com usb wifi adapter , but neither it is detecing nor i a getting to install the driver, |
| 22:59.03 | Eulex | !mount air |
| 22:59.03 | hellz | pl help |
| 22:59.03 | gin_ | ty guy |
| 22:59.04 | gin_ | ty guys |
| 22:59.05 | Laibsch | James_Ward: Well, I was looking for some software on my own computer. But of course a public solution might be feasible, too. I think yahoo does not support subtasks, though (tasks that have to be completed before another task can be begun). |
| 22:59.14 | gin_ | :) |
| 22:59.25 | m00p | hellz, RTFM |
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| 22:59.54 | James_Ward | Laibsch, I think nyoiu're right about yahoo. |
| 22:59.54 | m00p | Laibsch, RTFM |
| 23:00.00 | beardy | m00p: What manual are you referring to? |
| 23:00.04 | Laibsch | James_Ward: For reasons of security, I'd rather have the task manager run on my own computer, if at all possible. |
| 23:00.07 | Wyzard | hellz: The second half of your sentence doesn't make sense |
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| 23:00.27 | m00p | beardy, OMG |
| 23:00.35 | Eulex | hellz, what chipset? |
| 23:00.39 | James_Ward | Laibsch, I'd google it. |
| 23:00.54 | hellz | prism chipset |
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| 23:01.50 | Laibsch | James_Ward: Let's hope I can come up with some relevant keywords. I was hoping for some personal recommendations from someone. |
| 23:02.03 | gin_ | why i need mount eveytime that i reboot my comp ? |
| 23:02.04 | rbochan | Laibsch: like this? |
| 23:02.04 | Laibsch | James_Ward: Thanks for the talk. |
| 23:02.08 | rbochan | Laibsch: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kdepim |
| 23:02.11 | CosmoDad | I'd like to create my own Debian CD with a custom list of packages that should be installed from a repository after installation. Anyone know how to integrate such a list into the installation process? |
| 23:02.16 | James_Ward | Laibsch, personal information manager tasklist nested? |
| 23:02.26 | Wyzard | CosmoDad: #debian-boot might be a better place to ask |
| 23:02.38 | m00p | the word fcuk ofof come to mind |
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| 23:02.40 | CosmoDad | Wyzard: didn't know that chan. I'll check it out |
| 23:02.50 | Eulex | hellz, prism should be supported by the prism54 driver |
| 23:03.03 | Laibsch | James_Ward: I'll take a stab from different angles. |
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| 23:03.11 | James_Ward | Laibsch, Good luck! |
| 23:03.13 | Wyzard | Eulex: Only prism54s are supported by the prism54 driver... not the older 802.11b ones |
| 23:03.16 | Laibsch | rbochan: Do you use it? |
| 23:03.21 | Laibsch | James_Ward: Thanks! |
| 23:03.24 | Eulex | gin_, cos it doesn't mount automatically |
| 23:03.26 | beardy | !ops m00p is a troll, or a plain idiot |
| 23:03.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: m00p is a troll, or a plain idiot |
| 23:03.28 | rbochan | Laibsch: parts of it, yes |
| 23:03.34 | hellz | yes, i was looking over prism54g, but they support a different model, it's a pci card not a usb card |
| 23:03.35 | rbochan | but not the full monty |
| 23:03.37 | Rez | m00p: are you and idiot? |
| 23:03.39 | Eulex | Wyzard, ok |
| 23:03.42 | Rez | er, s/and/an/ |
| 23:03.45 | hellz | that they supports |
| 23:03.47 | Laibsch | Can somebody please block m00p |
| 23:03.48 | m00p | beardy, is an idiot,decide |
| 23:03.50 | Laibsch | ? |
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| 23:04.26 | Eulex | CosmoDad, *not* #debian-boot, that channel is just for devs (ATT Wyzard) |
| 23:04.33 | Laibsch | rbochan: What part? ;-) |
| 23:04.34 | rbochan | Laibsch: take a look at the individual packages linked there and see if they meet your needs |
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| 23:04.55 | CosmoDad | Eulex: too late... |
| 23:05.02 | CosmoDad | Eulex: but thx for the hint |
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| 23:05.06 | Laibsch | rbochan: I will do that and let you guys know later. |
| 23:05.11 | Wyzard | Eulex: Building a custom installer is a pretty dev thing to do |
| 23:05.15 | rbochan | I use kaddressbook, kalarm, kmail, and ksync |
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| 23:05.28 | rbochan | kkeps my desktop stuff sync'd with my laptop |
| 23:05.32 | Eulex | hellz, first you said usb, now you say pci. which one do you mean? |
| 23:05.47 | Eulex | Wyzard, well I'd suggest that he jigdo's it |
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| 23:05.54 | Laibsch | rbochan: I hope I won't need kde. I do not want it. |
| 23:05.58 | James_Ward | If my mirror is missing some packages, will my system install e toast? |
| 23:06.02 | rbochan | it's kde based |
| 23:06.02 | TwistedEmotions | Finally.. |
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| 23:06.05 | TwistedEmotions | jesus |
| 23:06.15 | Wyzard | Eulex: Jigdo has nothing to do with customizing the installer |
| 23:06.22 | rbochan | you woudn't need the entire kde desktop, but a few core pacakges |
| 23:06.24 | pedro420 | I have a usb scanner vendor=0x0461, product=0x0371 google says its supported in scanner.c, I cannot find the driver in my system. 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 23:07.05 | Laibsch | James_Ward: are any of the packages depended upon? |
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| 23:07.20 | James_Ward | Laibsch, binutils seems to be the most imprtant so far. |
| 23:07.36 | Krytn | anyone here that might now if i might get a "HighPoint RocketRAID 133" working with Debian? |
| 23:07.46 | Laibsch | James_Ward: Can you use another mirror? |
| 23:07.53 | James_Ward | You'd think a mirror in my own town would be fast, but noooooo. |
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| 23:08.04 | Wyzard | wow... just got a huge kernel stack trace while booting my laptop |
| 23:08.06 | James_Ward | Laibsch, As soon as the system install is done. |
| 23:08.14 | Ladyofdarkness | can anyone tell me how to unghost myself on this server? |
| 23:08.21 | James_Ward | Laibsch, Then I'll use apt-spy. |
| 23:08.28 | Eulex | Wyzard, true... but he was just trying to make a debian cd where he can select what packages there are, if I understood him correctly... and a netinstall combined with a jigdo'ed cd would do that quite well |
| 23:08.32 | ugly | Ladyofdarkness: /msg nickserv help |
| 23:08.33 | Gnea | Ladyofdarkness: unghost? |
| 23:08.33 | pedro420 | Ladyofdarkness: unghost? |
| 23:08.39 | Ladyofdarkness | ty ugly |
| 23:09.05 | Ladyofdarkness | yeah my power went out and i am stuck in limbo ;) ty again! |
| 23:09.28 | Eulex | CosmoDad, ^^, but if you still want to create your own debian cd with a custom package list debian-boot has a mailing list |
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| 23:09.51 | Laibsch | James_Ward: Are you sure you will be able to finish the installation without binutils? |
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| 23:10.01 | Laibsch | James_Ward: I'd take another mirror right NOW. |
| 23:10.02 | glick | excuse me, where can i get accurate estimates of the desktop market share between the various major linux distros and microsoft? |
| 23:10.05 | rbochan | can someone point me towards a HOWTO for making a custom Debian installation CD.. where I can choose which pacakkages and such are included? |
| 23:10.10 | James_Ward | Laibsch, We shall see. :-) |
| 23:10.13 | Wyzard | Eulex: Jigdo is just a means of download an already-prepared installer such as the netinst. If the netinst can already do what he wants then he should just use it, but I got the impression that what he wants can't be done with the standard installer, else he wouldn't be asking |
| 23:10.20 | Laibsch | glick: I doubt that number exists. |
| 23:10.32 | Gnea | glick: on the internet. |
| 23:10.35 | glick | Laibsch, surely there must be an estimate somewhere |
| 23:10.44 | Laibsch | glick: How do you count ppl with more than one OS? |
| 23:10.59 | Laibsch | There might be numbers, but what will they tell you? |
| 23:11.02 | glick | count them once for each os |
| 23:11.11 | glick | how many percent run windows |
| 23:11.12 | glick | redhat |
| 23:11.13 | glick | suse |
| 23:11.16 | glick | mandrivea |
| 23:11.19 | ugly | glick: shouldn't be too hard to estimate yourself - linux desktop market share is like what? 0.0000001% 75% of that must be redhat and mandrake ... :P |
| 23:11.21 | glick | and comercial unices' |
| 23:11.25 | Gnea | glick: why? |
| 23:11.35 | glick | Gnea, doing some market research |
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| 23:11.40 | Laibsch | glick: what do you want to do with that number? |
| 23:11.49 | Gnea | glick: how much you willing to pay for that answer? |
| 23:11.55 | Laibsch | glick: I'd be very careful about your approach. |
| 23:11.55 | CosmoDad | Eulex, Wyzard: to make this clear: I'd like the installer to automatically install a set of additional packages from a repository I define during the installation process |
| 23:11.56 | Gnea | +are |
| 23:12.12 | glick | $1.50 |
| 23:12.16 | Gnea | then fuck off |
| 23:12.18 | Gnea | :) |
| 23:12.32 | CosmoDad | Eulex, Wyzard: in addition, I'd like to be able to preconfigure some files, i.e. /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:12.34 | glick | Gnea, who are you |
| 23:12.38 | glick | you have the answer? |
| 23:12.44 | Eulex | Wyzard, hmm.... I've gotten the impression that you can choose what packages you want with jigdo... but maybe Im wrong |
| 23:12.52 | pedro420 | damn this doesnt look good http://www.sane-project.org/unsupported/visioneer-onetouch8920.html |
| 23:12.54 | Krytn | Anyone know if there is a possibility i can get a HighPoint RocketRAID 133-card working with Debian? |
| 23:12.55 | Wyzard | CosmoDad: To do those things, AFAIK, you do need a custom installer |
| 23:13.06 | Eulex | CosmoDad, debian-boot mailing list is the place for you |
| 23:13.07 | ugly | glick: Gnea is affiliated with http://www.gnaa.us |
| 23:13.08 | Gnea | glick: i am me, and you are...? |
| 23:13.10 | directhex | Krytn, which version of debian, which kernel? |
| 23:13.10 | pedro420 | sounds like this scanner is not supported by linux :( |
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| 23:13.23 | Kerr | ergh.. why is this thing so touchy with usb devices? |
| 23:13.26 | CosmoDad | Wyzard, Eulex: I'll take a look at both |
| 23:13.33 | The_Universe | im the universe bitch |
| 23:13.37 | Wyzard | Eulex: Jigdo doesn't customize anything |
| 23:13.42 | directhex | Krytn, you'll get JBOD support, but since it's just an IDE controller you'll get no access to windows-compatible RAID devices |
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| 23:14.05 | ninja | has anyone ever tried using "Linux From Scratch"? |
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| 23:14.15 | Wyzard | Eulex: The result of a jigdo download of an installer iso is bit-for-bit identical to what you'd have if you'd downloaded the iso directly |
| 23:14.15 | The_Universe | racist fuck |
| 23:14.28 | Gnea | who's racist? |
| 23:14.45 | directhex | !tell Krytn about msg |
| 23:14.49 | The_Universe | gnaa shit |
| 23:14.58 | Gnea | ROFL |
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| 23:15.11 | Gnea | i can't... stop... laughing... |
| 23:15.16 | h0bbel | hmm, anyone know how to remove mod_cap from proftpd (sarge) ? |
| 23:15.19 | Eulex | Wyzard: seems like a misinterpreted "make a CD set yourself", just means burning it yourself, not customizing it... |
| 23:15.24 | aedwards_ | anyone know if there is an amavis channel? |
| 23:15.25 | Eulex | s/a/I |
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| 23:15.35 | aedwards_ | The list is flooded |
| 23:15.54 | Gnea | aedwards_: tried #amivis? |
| 23:15.55 | Wyzard | Eulex: yeah... "make your own CD" in that sense means as opposed to buying a manufactured one |
| 23:16.06 | Gnea | er #amavis? |
| 23:16.07 | directhex | yeah, that's right, i ignore all msg's from random people, so i'm totoally gonna go for DCC chat instead ¬_¬ |
| 23:16.10 | directhex | i need a reboot |
| 23:16.33 | Eulex | Wyzard, ok |
| 23:16.39 | aedwards_ | thnx |
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| 23:17.35 | rbochan | Eulex: do you know somethnig about making custom debian cds? |
| 23:17.37 | MasterChief | Hi, can someone please tell me how to reconfigure apts I downloaded with apt get so I can do -- configure stuff |
| 23:17.46 | Eulex | rbochan: nope |
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| 23:17.49 | rbochan | ok |
| 23:17.53 | leaf_ | hey |
| 23:17.53 | Gnea | MasterChief: man vi |
| 23:17.56 | The_Universe | how do you think the desktop market is split between windows, mac and linux? |
| 23:17.59 | Eulex | rbochan, though I would like to know :) |
| 23:18.01 | leaf_ | i can install nvidia drivers.. |
| 23:18.03 | The_Universe | by linux i mean the commercial linuxes |
| 23:18.08 | leaf_ | says its from a different source? |
| 23:18.16 | Gnea | The_Universe: forget it, you think i'm a racist. you're wrong. |
| 23:18.20 | rbochan | Eulex: ditto.. I have a custom setup that I'd like to have on cd, rather than download everything every time |
| 23:18.29 | Laibsch | The_Universe: Go and play elsewhere. |
| 23:18.31 | mentor | well, they both seem to have shut up. |
| 23:18.31 | Eulex | The_Universe, do you wanna make us guess? |
| 23:18.40 | ugly | MasterChief: are you asking how to reconfigure packages (debs) that you installed? |
| 23:18.45 | Wyzard | MasterChief: If by "apts" you mean packages, they're precompiled; no configure options |
| 23:18.47 | Gnea | The_Universe: and you think that Gnea == Gnaa which is also WRONG |
| 23:19.04 | ugly | MasterChief: if so, dpkg-reconfigure <package name> |
| 23:19.13 | leaf_ | i've done the basic install of debian64bit, i apt-get gdm and bitchx to here.. but now i need my nvidia drivers.. how do i obtain nvidia drivers using debian, *debian noob* |
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| 23:19.27 | xoz | MasterChief: dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 23:19.28 | chealer | !tell leaf_ about nvidia-howto |
| 23:19.30 | MasterChief | ugly: yeh, with custom things (--quotas=something for example) |
| 23:19.45 | rbochan | leaf_: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 23:19.46 | rbochan | check that |
| 23:19.57 | ugly | MasterChief: configure arguments? then no, like Wyzard, you can't - it's precompiled |
| 23:19.58 | leaf_ | okthnx, does this also support debain64b? |
| 23:19.59 | pedro420 | I am using sarge, I have a Visioneer OnTouch 8700 USB scanner (actually a Primax USB scanner? vendor=0x0461, product=0x0371, Realtek RTS8801C chipset) kernel 2.6.8-2-686. Its said to be supported by the linux kernel scanner driver, though there doesnt seem to be a sane backend written for it. Is there any hope for using this scanner with Debian 3.1? |
| 23:20.04 | chealer | leaf_: that's assuming you mean NVIDIA's closed source drivers for video |
| 23:20.07 | Wyzard | MasterChief: For that you'd have to recompile the package, which is usually not necessary, and is discouraged unless you're a developer and know what you're doing |
| 23:20.13 | leaf_ | yes chealer |
| 23:20.23 | chealer | leaf_: yes, the drivers support amd64 |
| 23:20.27 | ugly | MasterChief: only way you can change it is by getting the debian package source with 'apt-get source <package name>' and modifying the debian/rules file in the directory |
| 23:20.36 | MasterChief | Ugly, oh. Ok, quess I will have to compile my self, thanks. ./configure make make install right? |
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| 23:20.48 | Wyzard | MasterChief: That's even more strongly discouraged |
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| 23:21.00 | MasterChief | How im I spossed to do it? |
| 23:21.05 | ugly | MasterChief: google for deb-src or something - there's a process |
| 23:21.16 | ugly | MasterChief: building your own custom packages, that is |
| 23:21.23 | Eulex | pedro420, what does it say in the console when you plug it in? |
| 23:21.28 | Wyzard | MasterChief: Avoid installing unpackaged software if at all possible... it clutters your system with files that can't be automatically uninstalled or upgraded, and can cause problems with dependencies |
| 23:21.32 | James_Ward | omnibook:~# apt-spy -d stable |
| 23:21.32 | James_Ward | Segmentation fault |
| 23:21.41 | James_Ward | Uhoh. |
| 23:21.45 | Eulex | Wyzard, can't agree more |
| 23:21.51 | Wyzard | MasterChief: If you must custom-compile something, do it by edting an existing Debian source package and rebuliding it, so you get a .deb to install |
| 23:21.53 | CosmoDad | what's a udeb? |
| 23:22.01 | directhex | a component of the debian installer |
| 23:22.30 | pedro420 | Eulex: just that I have a new highspeed usb device that has been assigned an address. I cannot find the scanner.c I see mentioned in google as a module in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686 |
| 23:22.33 | Wyzard | MasterChief: But it's usually not necessary |
| 23:22.36 | CosmoDad | directhex: what type of component? |
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| 23:22.55 | Wyzard | CosmoDad: A plugin, sort of... it adds functionality to the installer |
| 23:23.09 | Eulex | pedro420, that's the source file... it's probably named just scanner as a kernel module |
| 23:23.10 | directhex | CosmoDad, anything. the partitioner, kernel modules, dhcp client, whatever |
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| 23:23.24 | Wyzard | CosmoDad: For example, an SSH client is available as a udeb, which lets you use SSH from the installer |
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| 23:23.39 | James_Ward | Anyone that can give me an apt-spy command line less prone to segfault? |
| 23:24.01 | chealer | James_Ward: maybe you should try netselect-apt instead |
| 23:24.05 | CosmoDad | Wyzard, directhex: does its name imply that it's in fact a plain .deb package which is somehow integrated into the installer? |
| 23:24.06 | Eulex | Wyzard, that's pretty cool... so you could install debian on a system that hasn't got a monitor? |
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| 23:24.43 | Wyzard | Eulex: Well, the one I had in mind was an SSH client, not an SSH server, but I'm pretty sure there are facilities for headless/unattended installation too |
| 23:24.52 | Eulex | Wyzard, oh |
| 23:24.55 | jahi | Hi! how can i install a *.deb file? |
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| 23:25.00 | James_Ward | chealer, installing it. |
| 23:25.05 | Eulex | jahi, dpkg -i file |
| 23:25.08 | Wyzard | CosmoDad: No, the structure is different... dunno the details though |
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| 23:25.12 | salvia | does anyone experienced installing openvpn ? |
| 23:25.21 | Laibsch | rbochan: Just for installing one package, I'd have about 80MB of libs :-( I'll go and boot knoppix to check it out first. |
| 23:25.27 | jahi | Eulex thx ) |
| 23:25.29 | rbochan | Eulex: http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD |
| 23:25.33 | pedro420 | Eulex: I realize that. though I cannot find with an rgrep or modconf any such driver even containing "scanner" other than microtek.ko |
| 23:25.33 | CosmoDad | Wyzard: ok |
| 23:25.36 | Wyzard | salvia: I've used it a bit... been meaning to get around to setting it up properly with certificates and all, but haven't done so yet |
| 23:25.36 | directhex | CosmoDad, they lack the full functionality and facilities of real .debs - try asking in #debian-boot |
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| 23:25.56 | abyss_ | re |
| 23:26.04 | CosmoDad | directhex: the people in #debian-boot seem all dead, but I'll keep up trying ;) |
| 23:26.07 | Eulex | pedro420, there must be some scanner how-to for linux, musn't it? google |
| 23:26.07 | abyss_ | ok now im here with my persitent wlan connection |
| 23:26.22 | Wyzard | CosmoDad: It *might* be possible to do your customization by making a udeb which you'd load (into the standard installer) from a floppy or something |
| 23:26.28 | pedro420 | Eulex: I am way past googled did you even listen to my question? |
| 23:26.34 | Eulex | rbochan, will check that |
| 23:26.44 | Eulex | pedro420, I did |
| 23:26.54 | James_Ward | chealer, Thanks! |
| 23:26.55 | pedro420 | Eulex: I am half way to mailing lists buy now :P |
| 23:26.59 | abyss_ | thx to all who helped |
| 23:27.06 | rbochan | Eulex: going to give it a try now on my old laptop.. hopefully i have the space |
| 23:27.13 | VoltageX | how would I adapt http://www.bb-zone.com/misc/rt2500 to debian? |
| 23:27.29 | CosmoDad | Wyzard: I figured out that I need some additional packages initially packed into my custom debian cd which cannot be installed remotely, so I'm looking into the d-i wiki now |
| 23:27.31 | pedro420 | Eulex: I already installed sane, figured out exatly what hardware I have, and know that its supported by the kernel, and not by sane. my question was can I use it with Debian 3.1 |
| 23:27.58 | Eulex | pedro420, sorry, we get so many n00bs here... |
| 23:27.59 | pedro420 | (19:19:59) pedro420: I am using sarge, I have a Visioneer OnTouch 8700 USB scanner (actually a Primax USB scanner? vendor=0x0461, product=0x0371, Realtek RTS8801C chipset) kernel 2.6.8-2-686. Its said to be supported by the linux kernel scanner driver, though there doesnt seem to be a sane backend written for it. Is there any hope for using this scanner with Debian 3.1? |
| 23:28.12 | Eulex | pedro420, and I have unfortunately no idea... |
| 23:28.17 | pedro420 | Eulex: this isnt pedro, its nvz.. and I am not a n00b :P |
| 23:28.23 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.29 | Kerr | i try to mount that, and |
| 23:28.38 | Kerr | mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
| 23:28.40 | Kerr | what gives? |
| 23:28.48 | Kerr | it's obviously there.. |
| 23:28.58 | Eulex | pedro420, oh |
| 23:29.00 | VoltageX | Kerr: ls /dev/sd* |
| 23:29.06 | Eulex | Kerr, mknod it? |
| 23:29.24 | Kerr | ls /dev/sd* |
| 23:29.34 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:31.10 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:31.18 | Kerr | so it randomly shows up again |
| 23:31.20 | Eulex | Kerr: hmm... I'll take that back, I don't think you have to mknod those device files; they have always created themeselves automagically for me |
| 23:31.41 | Eulex | Kerr: hmm... anything in the log? |
| 23:32.27 | VoltageX | any ideas about my question? |
| 23:32.36 | leaf_ | hmm |
| 23:32.37 | xoz | chealer: lspci? |
| 23:32.37 | abyss_ | ok now the next problem |
| 23:32.39 | leaf_ | anyone from australia |
| 23:32.41 | Kerr | Eulex: which log? |
| 23:32.45 | leaf_ | got a source.list i could copy? |
| 23:32.48 | abyss_ | how i can configure the WPA? |
| 23:32.48 | VoltageX | leaf_: me |
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| 23:32.56 | chealer | xoz: I was just ranting about a random retailer's website |
| 23:32.59 | Eulex | Kerr: syslog etc in /var/log |
| 23:33.04 | leaf_ | VoltageX, pm |
| 23:33.13 | Eulex | leaf_, apt-setup |
| 23:33.25 | Wyzard | abyss: apt-get install wpasupplicant |
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| 23:33.54 | leaf_ | that mirror for me isnt working |
| 23:34.48 | Eulex | leaf_, then try another one... btw, is there just one australian mirror? |
| 23:35.06 | abyss_ | uhm i dont have a configuration file |
| 23:35.17 | abyss_ | for my wlan stick |
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| 23:35.36 | VoltageX | isn't there au.debian.org and mirror.aarnet.edu.au (f'n fast!) |
| 23:35.47 | pedro420 | would there be any other (perhaps better?) mailing lists to submit this scanner cry to rather than d-u@l.d.o |
| 23:35.49 | Wyzard | abyss: There's an example config (which you can use as a starting point) in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples |
| 23:36.08 | VoltageX | what's the debian equivalent for /etc/sysconfig?? |
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| 23:37.01 | ugly | VoltageX: well, what is /etc/sysconfig? |
| 23:37.07 | Wyzard | VoltageX: /etc |
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| 23:37.44 | VoltageX | Wyzard: so where would I put a configuration file for a specific nic? |
| 23:38.00 | ugly | VoltageX: man interfaces |
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| 23:38.17 | VoltageX | arrrghhh everyone says that but it doesn't help |
| 23:38.39 | ugly | VoltageX: the man page describes the configuration file and its location - how is it not helpful? |
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| 23:38.54 | ugly | even provides examples |
| 23:39.04 | VoltageX | because the instructions I am using aren't written for debian |
| 23:39.27 | VoltageX | they say to create /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-ra0 |
| 23:39.53 | Eulex | VoltageX, then don't use those instructions |
| 23:39.53 | Wyzard | VoltageX: That looks like configuration of a network interface... Debian's network configuration is in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:40.16 | VoltageX | these are the only instructions for this specific wireless nic |
| 23:40.34 | Wyzard | VoltageX: What kind of wireless NIC is it? |
| 23:40.50 | VoltageX | ralink rt2570 |
| 23:40.56 | Wyzard | VoltageX: 802.11? |
| 23:40.59 | Eulex | and chipset? |
| 23:40.59 | VoltageX | (msi miniusb) |
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| 23:41.09 | VoltageX | chipset is ralink |
| 23:41.22 | VoltageX | it's 802.11G |
| 23:41.32 | Eulex | VoltageX, what driver are you using? |
| 23:41.36 | Wyzard | VoltageX: And do you have the driver loaded, so that the network interface (ra0, I guess) exists? |
| 23:41.51 | ugly | VoltageX: if you have wireless-tools installed, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian, which gives syntax for stuff like wireless_mode, etc. in the interfaces file |
| 23:42.05 | shingouz | that thing uses a native linux driver or are we talking ndiswrapper here? |
| 23:42.14 | VoltageX | native linux |
| 23:42.14 | ugly | VoltageX: that's for wlan0 devices - I'm assuming it applies to yours as well |
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| 23:42.48 | VoltageX | the problem I'm having is telling debian to use the driver for the nic - it's loaded but not being used |
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| 23:43.01 | shingouz | VoltageX: can ifconfig -a see the card? |
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| 23:43.51 | Eulex | what was the name of he who had problem with his nic? |
| 23:44.06 | ugly | Eulex: VoltageX |
| 23:44.22 | Eulex | ugly... thanks... accidently parted |
| 23:44.24 | VoltageX | I'm thonking it's eth1 but there's nothing that says eth0 |
| 23:44.28 | pedro420 | do I have to subscribe to post a question to d-u@l.d.o? sane-devel@l.a.d.o said I should |
| 23:44.38 | Eulex | VoltageX, have you checked your routes? |
| 23:44.38 | ugly | VoltageX: your docs say the driver uses ra0, not eth0 |
| 23:45.13 | VoltageX | I know |
| 23:45.23 | VoltageX | but there's no ra0 |
| 23:45.26 | ugly | VoltageX: so you get no output with 'ifconfig ra0' |
| 23:45.44 | shingouz | VoltageX: try the eth1 then for the hell of it |
| 23:45.48 | ugly | VoltageX: lsmod | grep rt2500 |
| 23:46.07 | VoltageX | just tried eth1 unknown hardware address |
| 23:46.29 | Eulex | VoltageX, then it afaik doesn't exist |
| 23:46.29 | chealer | pedro420: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ "This list is not moderated, posting is allowed to anyone." |
| 23:46.31 | VoltageX | there's rt2570 in lsmod |
| 23:46.38 | shingouz | VoltageX: and eth0 works for your wired connection i guess |
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| 23:46.46 | VoltageX | yep |
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| 23:46.59 | Eulex | VoltageX, try rmmod rt2570 && modprobe rt2570 |
| 23:47.03 | ugly | VoltageX: your docs mention rt2500 - are you sure you have the right driver modprobed |
| 23:47.21 | VoltageX | yes |
| 23:47.26 | pedro420 | chealer: will people just bc: my email address when they answer? cause I figure d-u is heavy volume |
| 23:47.40 | VoltageX | rt2500 is for a wired nic, rt2570 is for this wireless nic |
| 23:47.49 | ugly | oh |
| 23:48.04 | chealer | pedro420: I wouldn't count on it, but you could always actually check whether people do it or not |
| 23:48.09 | Eulex | pedro420, most do, then you can check the archives for those who don't |
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| 23:48.26 | kidao | alguem me ajuda |
| 23:48.29 | kidao | instalei o debian |
| 23:48.32 | metaperl | the Debian unstable version of kvirc is very old... what is the easiest way to investigate the existence of a newer version as a Debian package? |
| 23:48.35 | kidao | mais nao consigo configurar meu mouse ps2 |
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| 23:48.40 | kidao | putz |
| 23:48.41 | shingouz | !br |
| 23:48.41 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:48.48 | pedro420 | chealer: perhaps telling them to in the msg may help :P |
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| 23:49.16 | initech | metaperl: i think it was superceeded by ksirc |
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| 23:49.36 | Draconicus | What is an easy to use alternative to X-CD-Roast? |
| 23:49.46 | initech | Draconicus: k3b |
| 23:49.48 | shingouz | Draconicus: cdrecord |
| 23:49.55 | VoltageX | gah now I have wireless-tools I'm even more confused |
| 23:49.57 | metaperl | k3b is GREAT |
| 23:50.17 | Eulex | VoltageX, wireless-tools are a must to make your wireless nic to work |
| 23:50.28 | chealer | metaperl: it really is. 0.12 is in sid now :) |
| 23:50.30 | VoltageX | yes |
| 23:50.43 | Eulex | I've heard that gnomebaker is not that good? |
| 23:50.58 | VoltageX | any way I can get the wireless card to scan for access points? |
| 23:51.01 | shingouz | (fluck this, smoke break) |
| 23:51.03 | chealer | well, I wouldn't expect anything to match k3b |
| 23:51.15 | initech | cdrecord was made by that asshole. of course every burning program uses it |
| 23:51.15 | Eulex | VoltageX, iwlist scanning |
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| 23:51.47 | VoltageX | arrrrghhhhhhhhhh interface doesn't support scanning |
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| 23:52.03 | VoltageX | so the nic hasn't been detected properly |
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| 23:52.37 | initech | chealer: ? huh? 2.1.3.1-2 is in sarge (kvirc) |
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| 23:52.51 | Eulex | VoltageX, do you have a wireless network device that got "interface doesn't..." or not? |
| 23:53.07 | Eulex | VoltageX, iwconfig? |
| 23:53.19 | initech | chealer: sorry, you were talking about k3b |
| 23:53.28 | Eulex | hmm, gaim segfaulted |
| 23:53.29 | VoltageX | interface doesn't.... |
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| 23:53.43 | VoltageX | compiling different module |
| 23:53.50 | VoltageX | I think I may have jumped the gun |
| 23:53.56 | Eulex | VoltageX, hmm, strange, does iwconfig show any info about it? |
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| 23:55.06 | Eulex | VoltageX, does your dmesg show anything about the module being loaded? |
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| 23:56.38 | VoltageX | nope nothing useful in dmesg |
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| 23:58.19 | chealer | pedro420: Quite possibly :) |
| 23:58.26 | nornagon | There's some tool that pings a whole bunch of apt mirrors and finds the best ones. |
| 23:58.29 | nornagon | What's it called? |
| 23:58.34 | crocodile | i have debian 3.1 and my video board is tnt2. Do I need install "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkg1.run" ? |
| 23:58.51 | crocodile | or .. installation debian 3.1 came with these drivers |
| 23:58.59 | chealer | metaperl kvirc3 is in experimental |
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| 23:59.17 | Eulex | VoltageX, please define "useful". did you get any info at all about the module being loaded. and then does iwconfig show anything about it? |
| 23:59.22 | chealer | crocodile: if you want 3D graphics and don't mind tainting your kernel, yes |
| 23:59.48 | crocodile | who do i know if I have 3D active in my linux ? |
| 23:59.54 | MasterChief | I am trying to set up pureftpd with mysql authentication, do I have to make the user on the system to our just on the database |
| 23:59.55 | MasterChief | ? |
| 23:59.56 | Eulex | nornagon: apt-spy? |
| 23:59.59 | nornagon | Does the proprietary ATI driver work with 3D graphics? |