| 00:00.01 | crocodile | who = How |
| 00:00.13 | chealer | crocodile: $ glxinfo |
| 00:00.13 | nornagon | Eulex: Hm, I'll look around for that :) |
| 00:00.20 | VoltageX | ok I modprobed rausb0 and now it loaded the module |
| 00:00.47 | Eulex | crocodile: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 00:01.01 | crocodile | let me see ... thanks |
| 00:01.03 | chealer | I don't think kvirc was superceded by ksirc. I know only one person who uses kvirc though, and it uses gentoo too :-P |
| 00:01.06 | nornagon | Eulex: Yup, that looks like it :) |
| 00:01.18 | crocodile | glxinfo | grep direct |
| 00:01.26 | crocodile | crocodile@athlon:~$ glxinfo | grep direct |
| 00:01.26 | crocodile | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 00:01.26 | crocodile | direct rendering: No |
| 00:01.26 | crocodile | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 00:01.26 | crocodile | crocodile@athlon:~$ |
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| 00:01.44 | crocodile | damn |
| 00:01.53 | Eulex | VoltageX, and did you get any useful info? any info that it works at all, and has detected your nic? |
| 00:01.54 | crocodile | direct rendering: No |
| 00:02.04 | crocodile | so I dont have 3d, is correct? |
| 00:02.04 | Eulex | crocodile, don't paste here |
| 00:02.07 | crocodile | ok |
| 00:02.08 | VoltageX | no iwconfig still doesn't show it |
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| 00:02.16 | Eulex | !tell crocodile about paster |
| 00:02.22 | VoltageX | do I need to mknod it? |
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| 00:02.37 | Eulex | crocodile, no, you don't have 3d acceleration |
| 00:02.40 | crocodile | Eulex, thanks |
| 00:02.54 | Eulex | VoltageX, no, it should be automagically created |
| 00:02.59 | crocodile | then I need make install of these drivers |
| 00:03.04 | crocodile | is friendly installl ? |
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| 00:03.29 | VoltageX | han't been created... |
| 00:03.51 | Eulex | !tell crocodile about nvidia-howto |
| 00:03.58 | quitte | is someone her that is involved in the linuxconsole.sf.net project? i'm wondering if it is possible to have more than one console. running two xservers with seperate keyboards is working here now. but i'd like to have a vga conole and a fb console at the same time. |
| 00:04.15 | chealer | crocodile: not particularly. tainting your kernel isn't very friendly anyway |
| 00:04.34 | quitte | but whenever i load fbcon i loose all console output |
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| 00:05.10 | quitte | if both vgacon and fbcon are compiled in the kernel i dont get any output at all as soon as the fb is loaded |
| 00:05.16 | crocodile | Eulex, thanks |
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| 00:05.18 | crocodile | let me understand .. I need compile kernel also ? |
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| 00:05.31 | chealer | crocodile: usually not |
| 00:05.43 | crocodile | ok |
| 00:05.53 | rbochan | Eulex: this just might work :) |
| 00:06.11 | chealer | crocodile: depending on your mobo, using the stock kernel with these drivers might crash your machine when you switch console in certain situations, though |
| 00:06.13 | rbochan | at least, space wise, I seem to ahve plenty of room to make just one cd |
| 00:06.23 | Eulex | rbochan, you're creating a custom debian cd right now? |
| 00:06.31 | Eulex | I gotta bookmark that url... |
| 00:06.34 | rbochan | I'm doing the process |
| 00:06.51 | rbochan | my custom setup is 303 megs of archives, combined with the netinst cd, that should be fine |
| 00:07.14 | rbochan | just got it remoember NOT to run apt-get clean |
| 00:07.16 | crocodile | ouch |
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| 00:08.26 | Eulex | rbochan: nice |
| 00:08.26 | beardy | quitte: I don't know what this project does, but normally you can only use one of framebuffer or "normal" console at a time, AFAIK anyway. So you have to choose one. |
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| 00:08.37 | rbochan | hell yes :) |
| 00:08.59 | quitte | beardy: i have two seperate keyboards working - so its not a lot missing. |
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| 00:09.07 | VoltageX | :'( |
| 00:09.14 | rbochan | and here I thought I wasn't going to have a project tonight |
| 00:09.33 | quitte | beardy: tty17 uses the second keyboard. i can bind x to it and still have console output on my first screen |
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| 00:12.40 | beardy | quitte: But you can only use either framebuffer console OR text console each time you boot. You can not, as far as I know, use both framebuffer console, and vga/text console at the same time. |
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| 00:13.21 | quitte | beardy: yes. that's what it seems to me, too. but i don't see a technical reason for that. |
| 00:13.23 | _Aceman_ | does anybody here knows how to setup radeon 7200 to works fine with 3d and still works on console? I know it doesnt have ati drive and that it works with xfree driver... When i choose VESA driver, i can use X and console (tty1-tty6) but when i choose ati drive ou radeon drive (both from xfree) i loose console (screen - out of frequency). Need help! |
| 00:14.08 | quitte | beardy: fbcon would just have to bind to vc1 instead of vc0 and it should work. atm i have a dummycon on vc1 |
| 00:14.15 | VoltageX | still can't get this stupid usb wireless thing to work |
| 00:14.26 | Eulex | _Aceman_, disable vesafb/radeonfb, or if it's disabled, try using vesafb |
| 00:14.39 | DavidA6900 | how can i get alsa, or any kind of sound eorking on my system, i already installed alsa and did alsaconf |
| 00:15.03 | beardy | quitte: The reason is technical. You do mean that you would like to have, for example, vga textmode console on tty1, and framebuffer console on tty2? |
| 00:15.04 | Eulex | DavidA6900, and it found your snd card? |
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| 00:15.15 | DavidA6900 | yea i think so |
| 00:15.44 | quitte | beardy: yes, running at the same time. from how my vts are bound to vcs it'd be more like fbcon on tty17,though |
| 00:16.00 | Eulex | DavidA6900, the alsa volume is turned down to 0 by default, increase it with something in your desktop environment or use setmixer |
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| 00:16.36 | Eulex | _Aceman_, kernel boot options |
| 00:16.36 | shingouz | grrr.... is gmail particular about UTF-8 or some other thingie, i simply cannot make sylpheed-claws auth with the correct user/pass combo never mind what settings i hit into it |
| 00:16.42 | _Aceman_ | sorry |
| 00:16.58 | _Aceman_ | ok, ill try it |
| 00:17.14 | _Aceman_ | but i need 3d stuffs too |
| 00:17.34 | DavidA6900 | my mixer is at 70% |
| 00:17.37 | beardy | quitte: I don't think that is possible. You either have to use framebuffer, or vga textmode, for all tty:s. |
| 00:18.12 | klien_bottle | anyone have any idea why my fonts look so jaggedy in kde 3.3? |
| 00:18.16 | ninja | what would be a good distro to put on a ibm thinkpad 755ce (33/100 mhz 8meg's of ram) |
| 00:18.18 | quitte | beardy: but thats just for historical reasons afaict |
| 00:18.27 | klien_bottle | i think it has to do with antialiasing |
| 00:18.32 | quitte | ninja: debian,maybe? |
| 00:18.49 | Eulex | _Aceman_, then use the fglrx driver |
| 00:18.50 | _Aceman_ | folks, where can i find the logs kernel ? |
| 00:18.51 | Eulex | lol |
| 00:18.54 | VoltageX | any more ideas about my wireless problems? |
| 00:18.57 | initech | ninja: nothing :) |
| 00:19.04 | ninja | hmmmm thats a good suggestion |
| 00:19.14 | beardy | quitte: I am not sure, it may be possible, but those are the best answers I can give you I'm afraid, perhaps you could find better answers by googling? |
| 00:19.31 | ninja | no nic no cdrom drive and i dont have a dial up connection : ( |
| 00:19.35 | klien_bottle | anyone know how to enable antialiasing? |
| 00:19.43 | _Aceman_ | fglrx? is it a kernel option? |
| 00:19.44 | quitte | beardy: i found out that it is not possible with 2.4 kernels :/ |
| 00:19.45 | initech | ninja: you need a slackware cd from like 1995 |
| 00:19.59 | initech | ninja: err, floppies |
| 00:20.02 | ninja | no cds allowed |
| 00:20.02 | shingouz | ninja: try to get more ram onto it, you can fit the 16M card in there or if you are real lucky you may be able to get the converter for edos making the 755ce top out at 40M. debian runs nicely but the sounds do not work off a plain linux install, the mwave sounds are not supported |
| 00:20.05 | quitte | beardy: and a lot of not yets that were pretty old |
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| 00:20.40 | _Aceman_ | ty Eulex, got it |
| 00:20.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you there naggggger? |
| 00:21.07 | ninja | sound... bah who needs that |
| 00:21.12 | shingouz | ninja: my 755ce runs 2.6 and sid but i am a masochist |
| 00:21.20 | initech | hmm, I have a p133 / 64MB and I think sarge is rather painful on it. console's fine though |
| 00:21.21 | beardy | quitte: Do you run 2.4? Perhaps you could try with a 2.6 kernel if so, if it's supported there. |
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| 00:21.29 | quitte | ninja: get a 2,5 to 3,5" adapter and install debian in your desktop - then move the hdd back to the laptop |
| 00:21.41 | quitte | beardy: im running 2.6 already |
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| 00:21.49 | ninja | i was looking at tiny linux |
| 00:21.58 | ninja | or zip slack |
| 00:22.14 | beardy | quitte: I don't, so I can't say much about what works and not :) |
| 00:22.15 | war- | is there anyway to list the newest [or updated] packages in Etch? |
| 00:22.32 | initech | ninja: anything over 2.0 kernel will suck on that thing ... too slow |
| 00:22.44 | beardy | quitte: Is there any specific reason why you must have both fb and vga console? |
| 00:22.46 | Eulex | ninja, zipslack should work, mulinux should also work |
| 00:22.55 | shingouz | initech: do you have things like discover in it too? remove it. take out hotplug and use cardmgr. tweak the kernel and disable all unnecessary services. of course a light X install is essential too |
| 00:23.00 | ArNav | Sarge is a better Debian but it needs a better machine is only logical |
| 00:23.07 | Eulex | ninja, mulinux comes on floppies |
| 00:23.17 | quitte | beardy: well thanks for helping me making some noise about it. maybe backstreet ruby will find more users and developers now ;) |
| 00:23.19 | initech | shingouz: X? on 8MB? I don't think so |
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| 00:23.26 | shingouz | initech: what do you mean? P1-133 with a 2.0 kernel? jfc.. |
| 00:23.30 | nornagon | ruuuby! |
| 00:23.33 | nornagon | love of my life. |
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| 00:23.51 | shingouz | initech: and i agree that 8M and X is not really useable |
| 00:23.54 | initech | shingouz: oh on mine ... yeah it runs X ok. I prefer 2.4 on it actually |
| 00:23.56 | quitte | beardy: i just want to. i use cli a lot and using my linux box not only for multi user x was great - and it'd be more complete functionality |
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| 00:24.21 | VoltageX | anyone have more ideas about how to get my usb wireless device working?? |
| 00:24.30 | quitte | beardy: and even having console with input and x working at the same time does not work properly,yet |
| 00:24.35 | initech | quitte: the fb stuff is very funky |
| 00:24.45 | shingouz | initech: speaking of the kernel version, i think i need to upgrade from the 2.6.early kernel i have on it now. 2.6.11.11 begins to sound more like it |
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| 00:24.52 | ArNav | thats good |
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| 00:25.10 | initech | shingouz: dunno. I stick with debian kernels these days |
| 00:25.12 | shingouz | VoltageX: that thing is not a pcmcia at all but usb? |
| 00:25.15 | ninja | i guess you can use icewm |
| 00:25.17 | shingouz | customs here |
| 00:25.25 | quitte | initech: having two vgacons was of course a lot better. |
| 00:25.31 | VoltageX | yes usb |
| 00:25.48 | quitte | initech: but that's so x86 centric i doubt it's worth putting work in it. |
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| 00:26.20 | initech | quitte: iirc the whole thing is mainly intended for non x86 arches |
| 00:26.46 | DavidA6900 | how can i upgrade to linux kernel 2.6 |
| 00:26.51 | initech | quitte: the only fb driver on x86 that worked worth a shit for me was the matrox millenium |
| 00:26.57 | ninja | eulex thanx for the info |
| 00:26.59 | DavidA6900 | 2.4 wont work with some of my hardware |
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| 00:27.09 | Eulex | DavidA6900, apt-get it |
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| 00:27.26 | unome | apt-get into it hehe |
| 00:27.30 | quitte | initech: matroxfb works great in general. i happen to have a g400 and a mystique,though. so no problem there |
| 00:27.34 | beardy | DavidA6900: By installing a 2.6 kernel-image package. |
| 00:27.40 | Eulex | unome, yeah, like the wallpaper :) |
| 00:28.21 | shingouz | fluck :( |
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| 00:28.49 | VoltageX | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARrrrrrrrrrrrrrrGGGGGGGGGGGHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! |
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| 00:28.57 | quitte | initech: and fb is a lot easier to handle with fixed frequency monitors than svgatextmode. i'd prefer if vgacon was dropped and x drivers moved to the kernel together with fb. |
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| 00:29.13 | DavidA6900 | i have a pentium 4, so should i get the kernel for 686, or just use 386 |
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| 00:29.23 | Eulex | DavidA6900, 686 |
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| 00:29.34 | CdK1 | helou |
| 00:29.38 | DavidA6900 | even tho the kernel i use now is 386 |
| 00:29.43 | Eulex | yes |
| 00:29.49 | DavidA6900 | ok thankyou |
| 00:29.58 | initech | quitte: it is nice to have a 1280x1024 console |
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| 00:30.27 | _Aceman_ | Eulex, i belive that fglrx wont work... isnt it only to radeon 8500+ ? |
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| 00:30.48 | nornagon | will fglrx work with a Radeon 9600? |
| 00:30.49 | quitte | initech: heh. bb doesn't work with a 2048x1600 console. maybe i should file a bug report |
| 00:30.54 | Eulex | _Aceman_, yes, I didn't catch that it was an earlier chipset |
| 00:30.58 | nornagon | And does it provide 3D support? |
| 00:30.58 | initech | quitte: get you a cheapo ultra 5 or something, that works flawlessly on them |
| 00:31.00 | Eulex | nornagon, yes |
| 00:31.04 | _Aceman_ | :( |
| 00:31.06 | Eulex | nornagon, yes |
| 00:31.09 | nornagon | =D |
| 00:31.11 | _Aceman_ | ty anyway |
| 00:31.23 | VoltageX | where do I put specific configs for nics assumin /etc/sysconfig doesn't exist |
| 00:31.24 | Eulex | _Aceman_, is it an IGP of some kind you've got? |
| 00:31.25 | nornagon | pity about ATI not releasing the source, though... :/ |
| 00:31.29 | quitte | initech: already have a hppa. |
| 00:31.39 | TwistedEmotions | Hey what's the penguin game again? |
| 00:31.41 | Eulex | VoltageX, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:31.55 | DavidA6900 | do i just restart to use the new kernel? |
| 00:31.55 | rbochan | pinguin? |
| 00:31.57 | _Aceman_ | IGP?? |
| 00:31.58 | VoltageX | ok |
| 00:31.58 | nornagon | tuxracer! |
| 00:32.00 | Eulex | TwistedEmotions, ppracer? tuxracer? tuxkart? |
| 00:32.01 | quitte | TwistedEmotions: there are several. pingus tuxracer ... |
| 00:32.05 | rbochan | supertux? |
| 00:32.06 | beardy | In which file is xdm's background configured? (the rootwindow's background/pattern/color) |
| 00:32.07 | VoltageX | ooh found debian instructions |
| 00:32.11 | TwistedEmotions | thanks guys... |
| 00:32.16 | DavidA6900 | supertux is too easy |
| 00:32.17 | Eulex | _Aceman_, lspci... what's the entry of your gfx card |
| 00:32.30 | TwistedEmotions | can never find the right command to run pingus... and I love that game... |
| 00:32.33 | _Aceman_ | 0000:01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R100 QD [Radeon 7200] |
| 00:32.37 | rbochan | DavidA6900: not with a worn out laptop keyboard ;o) |
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| 00:32.56 | quitte | ok, i guess about 60 mails a day aren'T enough and ill join more mailinglists :/ |
| 00:33.03 | DavidA6900 | heh, my two favorite levels are lies! and the train leaves in 60 minutes |
| 00:33.11 | Eulex | _Aceman_, google for your chipset |
| 00:33.14 | DavidA6900 | so hard the first few times |
| 00:33.24 | DavidA6900 | but easy once you finish once |
| 00:33.30 | _Aceman_ | ok |
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| 00:33.53 | Eulex | _Aceman_, and see what other people have done to make it work |
| 00:34.05 | _Aceman_ | ive already did it lots of time |
| 00:34.11 | Eulex | oh, Isumi went into suspend mode :) |
| 00:34.18 | _Aceman_ | :((( |
| 00:34.44 | Eulex | _Aceman_, sorry, I can't help more... |
| 00:35.17 | _Aceman_ | no prlblem man, ty alot |
| 00:36.27 | Eulex | anyway, going to bed... |
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| 00:40.25 | mihaly | I just compiled a new kernel 2.6.12.2 and used oldconfig from my 2.6.11 kernel and now I keep getting: |
| 00:40.25 | mihaly | TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 1 bytes away. |
| 00:40.26 | mihaly | psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1 |
| 00:40.26 | mihaly | psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 - driver resynched. |
| 00:40.26 | mihaly | while my touchpad is enabled. What should I do? |
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| 00:40.58 | mihaly | I just compiled a new kernel 2.6.12.2 and used oldconfig from my 2.6.11 kernel and now I keep getting: |
| 00:41.14 | nvz | mihaly: stfu plz k thx |
| 00:41.17 | mihaly | TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 1 bytes away.psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1 psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 - driver resynched. |
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| 00:41.33 | nvz | mihaly: do not paste in here. we heard your mseeage once already |
| 00:41.39 | mihaly | while my touchpad is enabled. What should I do? |
| 00:41.52 | mihaly | Oh you did? I got kicked |
| 00:41.53 | nvz | mihaly: read the /topic is the first thing you should do |
| 00:41.53 | trave11er | mihaly: does it work as expected/ |
| 00:41.53 | shingouz | install a debian kernel |
| 00:41.59 | trave11er | ? |
| 00:42.05 | nvz | mihaly: you got kicked for not reading the /topic |
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| 00:42.26 | shingouz | nvz: it would be nice to have such a kick here |
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| 00:42.34 | nvz | shingouz: heh, shh |
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| 00:42.51 | shingouz | mihaly: yea. you got kicked because you did nto read the topic |
| 00:42.59 | nvz | shingouz: thats what debhelper is for.. he doesnt need to know how it works |
| 00:43.05 | shingouz | true |
| 00:43.10 | mihaly | yea thougt it was okey to paste 3 lines + my story |
| 00:43.13 | shingouz | as long as it works :) |
| 00:44.00 | nvz | debhelper is my hero, not only does he kick idiots out when I cant, but he does it without having to do anything |
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| 00:44.44 | trave11er | nvz: it's fine to enforce the policies but no need to humiliate people |
| 00:44.46 | shingouz | nvz: it would be nice if debhelper would be able ti K-line a few on sundays |
| 00:44.50 | mihaly | okej so none of the helpfull people are here today? |
| 00:44.56 | ethics | mihaly are you a udev user? |
| 00:44.59 | quitte | hmm. from linuxconsole.sf it seems multi-console shpuld work |
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| 00:45.08 | shingouz | mihaly: i suspect a bug or a misconfigured kernel |
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| 00:45.20 | quitte | but they have only instructions for 2.4 :( |
| 00:45.38 | ethics | !2.6.12 |
| 00:45.38 | dpkg | somebody said 2.6.12 was Kernel 2.6.12 has changes which require looking at.udev users need to use 0.58. VMware is known to have patches. Virtual midi alsa is also not included would appear, alsa 1.0.9 modules from alsa-source fixes. |
| 00:45.53 | mihaly | shingouz: should be a bug then since I used the oldconfiguration file |
| 00:45.55 | nvz | mihaly: you havent even indicated a debian related problem that requires help |
| 00:45.58 | keith | Woody. What file do I go to to change my isp password for wvdial? |
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| 00:46.09 | ethics | im on 2.6.12 myself mihaly.. |
| 00:46.13 | nvz | mihaly: seems you pasted a warning from a kernel that isnt even in debian |
| 00:46.15 | shingouz | mihaly: that is not a guarantee the kernel will work |
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| 00:46.31 | nvz | personally I dont understand how thats a problem |
| 00:46.52 | pinko | question on middle button pasting: is this info stored in a file somewhere? |
| 00:46.57 | mihaly | its mostly annoying |
| 00:47.05 | shingouz | keith: dpkg-reconfigure wvdial is one possibility. edit /etc/wvdial.conf is another |
| 00:47.58 | ethics | mihaly are you using udev? |
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| 00:48.00 | nvz | what would have been helpful, was if instead of pasting the same thing twice, you had explained what the problem was. then the helpful people would know you needed help (possibly pertaining to debian rather than help reading the /topic) |
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| 00:48.05 | mihaly | what is udev? |
| 00:48.22 | xoz | !udev |
| 00:48.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 00:48.35 | ethics | mihali dpkg -l|grep udev or the dpkg option |
| 00:48.51 | mihaly | I am using hotplug |
| 00:49.16 | _Aceman_ | folks, where can i find log file in my new source kernel (to fix errors)? |
| 00:49.22 | ethics | mihaly then thats possibly the issue |
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| 00:50.18 | mihaly | I did have udev installed |
| 00:50.51 | metaperl | i just installed bittornado. I want to see what files it installed when I typed apt-get install bittornado. how can I do this? |
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| 00:51.44 | ethics | mihaly you need to update it....sid may have the new deb file ...im using the one from kernel org and it seems ok |
| 00:52.00 | ethics | im not a guru on udev tho and my system is pretty static |
| 00:52.00 | pinko | metaperl: it's something like btdownloadgui. definitely not the command you would expect. |
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| 00:52.14 | metaperl | pinko: that's the standard bit torrent client |
| 00:52.17 | trave11er | metaperl: dpkg -L bittornado |
| 00:52.24 | metaperl | trave11er: thanks |
| 00:52.32 | mihaly | I just got my kernel source from kernel.org.... Should I do a dist-update? |
| 00:52.39 | ethics | metaperl, dpkg -L Pkgname |
| 00:52.44 | pinko | ok, but it's something similarly named. |
| 00:53.02 | ethics | milhaly no you should get the new version of udev |
| 00:53.44 | trave11er | _Aceman_: what kind of logs? the ones running kernel produces may be in /var/log/kernel.log /var/log/messages and in the output of dmesg command |
| 00:53.45 | ethics | mihaly, check if 0.58 is on DPO or go to kernel org ones |
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| 00:54.49 | Aurelian | when downloading debian DVDS, do i need both? |
| 00:54.55 | Aurelian | this link |
| 00:54.56 | Aurelian | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 00:55.03 | Aurelian | i cant understand it would be so big |
| 00:55.20 | _eXoDuS | it's a dvd isnt it? |
| 00:55.42 | Aurelian | well .torrent file for dvd |
| 00:55.47 | _eXoDuS | yse |
| 00:55.48 | Aurelian | but do i need both? |
| 00:55.51 | _eXoDuS | ah |
| 00:55.55 | _eXoDuS | probably not |
| 00:56.02 | nvz | I don't understand how that went from a possible problem with a touchpad, to a udev issue. |
| 00:56.05 | ethics | Aurelian, you dont need dvds to install you can install via net |
| 00:56.08 | _eXoDuS | you dont really need more than the 30mb iso |
| 00:56.30 | Aurelian | ethics: i cant do that, im on someone elses net atm and i need dvds for home :) |
| 00:56.46 | beardy | Aurelian: If you need something from the second DVD, you do need them both ;) But since you can download them, why not install over the net? |
| 00:56.48 | ArNav | what about the case system error eXoDus |
| 00:56.58 | Aurelian | :P |
| 00:57.01 | ArNav | base ---base |
| 00:57.04 | Aurelian | thx anyway i need to go now :) |
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| 00:57.26 | ethics | nvz well the dev names cause problems...if its not the issue now its the nest one he will have.. |
| 00:57.43 | ethics | nvz: fix know problems then look at vague ones is a good method i think.. |
| 00:58.03 | nvz | ethics: he did even know what udev was, and then said he did not have it installed.. so I dunno. he hasnt even said anything yet that makes me think he even has a problem |
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| 00:58.46 | Indigo_ | Can anyone recommend me a very light-weight Linux-Distribution based on Debian? |
| 00:59.22 | JoshH | debian |
| 00:59.28 | nornagon | :P |
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| 00:59.34 | Indigo_ | :D |
| 00:59.45 | Guerin | really |
| 00:59.50 | Guerin | it's a good answer |
| 00:59.51 | JoshH | its as lightweight as you need it to be |
| 00:59.53 | rbochan | yup |
| 00:59.53 | ArNav | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.54 | Pryon | Yeah, debian's the best answer there |
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| 00:59.58 | nvz | sounded to me like in the repeating useless information he said he got some random messages from a kernel driver while his touchpad was enabled. he didnt even say he had a problem with the touchpad |
| 01:00.08 | Guerin | debian sarge base is ~250MB |
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| 01:00.09 | Pryon | 3 CDs? Heck, netinst. |
| 01:00.16 | green_earz | Indigo_: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 01:00.21 | _Aceman_ | trave11er, when i compile a new kernel and got some errors. id like to see those errors |
| 01:00.21 | ethics | nvz: re read.... mihaly I did have udev installed |
| 01:00.27 | Guerin | you can install from a 30MB businesscard image or 4 floppy disks |
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| 01:00.32 | nvz | ethics: did is past tense |
| 01:00.35 | nvz | afaik |
| 01:00.39 | mihaly | nvz: the problem is that I keep gething this varning from the kernel |
| 01:00.44 | nornagon | Pryon: netinst is difficult when your only net access is via an unsupported wireless card. |
| 01:00.46 | jdhutchin1 | Indigo_, most customized small distros are based on debian |
| 01:00.46 | ArNav | it has gnome kde ooffice koff net ... |
| 01:00.49 | trave11er | _Aceman_: you should redirect your messages into a file when compiling then |
| 01:00.51 | nvz | mihaly: is it affecting anything? |
| 01:01.09 | nvz | mihaly: or are you just running a watch on dmesg all day. waiting for something to paste in here? heh |
| 01:01.10 | mihaly | its mostly annoying |
| 01:01.17 | Guerin | _Aceman_: why? If the build finishes and the kernel works, what care yoou for errors? |
| 01:01.18 | trave11er | _Aceman_: something like make-kpkg blah blah blah > build.log 2>&1 |
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| 01:01.39 | JoshH | well, if all you have is an unsupported wireless card, it would be a good idea to get some kind of supported network card. |
| 01:01.40 | mihaly | it disturbubs my console typing :) |
| 01:01.41 | ArNav | you dont really need all unless you want to have all the packages you have freedon with Debian |
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| 01:02.10 | _Aceman_ | ty traveller :)) |
| 01:02.19 | quitte | is sf.net cvs broken? |
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| 01:02.24 | _Aceman_ | guerin, in case that doesnt work :) |
| 01:02.26 | xia3 | is there a way to list firewire devices? |
| 01:02.28 | ethics | nvz: yeah meaning he removed it....meaning he didnt know what it was removed it and now theres issues...or thats how i read it at the time...but yeah you could be right |
| 01:02.40 | rbochan | hell, if i can run Deb on a 233 with KDE, it can be lightweight |
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| 01:02.55 | xia3 | i'm trying to figure out if my firewire at least is setup right, reguardless of compatible hardware and extra loaded modules for that hardware |
| 01:02.57 | Guerin | _Aceman_: what do you mean, in case? If the build fails, the output will be on your screen. |
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| 01:03.25 | nvz | mihaly: well I think pasting that stuff in here, yes its annoying.. especially since the kernel thats spitting that shit out isnt in debian. |
| 01:03.28 | quitte | bah! can someone please confirm that the sf cvs server is broken? |
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| 01:03.48 | Guerin | quitte: how is this a debian issue? |
| 01:04.03 | nvz | mihaly: if its really that annoying try fix it, or try asking in a more appropriate place.. like lkml |
| 01:04.14 | _Aceman_ | guerin, yes but id like to capture in a file.. |
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| 01:04.30 | Guerin | bah, people obsess over warnings. |
| 01:04.31 | gryphon | sup |
| 01:04.34 | gryphon | :D |
| 01:04.43 | _Aceman_ | hehe |
| 01:04.46 | nvz | mihaly: its not even an issue from what I gather, and its certainly not a debian problem even if it was. but if it was a problem we may try help.. but its not even a problem. |
| 01:04.46 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Im warning you.. |
| 01:04.58 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: who is Im? |
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| 01:05.04 | quitte | Guerin: in that i want kernel patches and it is completely broken. how are the other multillion requests for can you chgeck if www... works debian related. how does it disturb you? |
| 01:05.10 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: /msg Im |
| 01:05.19 | gryphon | im getting a server from a datacenter atm and i was wondering [i was looking they have debian 3.0] how hard it is to protect against attacks |
| 01:05.33 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I think his real name is Instant message. |
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| 01:05.51 | nvz | ethics: kudos for knowing like the rest of us that udev is shit, and could be a problem. but I dont try jump at guesses for an issue that hasnt even been clearly defined |
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| 01:06.08 | Guerin | quitte: how many multillion requests for checking broken websites that aren't debian.org machines do YOU see in here each day? I see about fuckall of them. |
| 01:06.11 | mihaly | oh so the kernel giving a varning every time I use the touchpad after a command has been executed is not a problem? But I go to some kernel channel and ask instead |
| 01:06.22 | nvz | ethics: I pry for more info, and in this case ultimatly find out there is not problem other than an annoyed user, comming in annoying other users. :P |
| 01:06.23 | gryphon | is debian 3.0 the latest distro that came out not so ong ago? i believe sarge? |
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| 01:06.35 | reamtS | has anyone use 'symantic ghost 8.x' to ghost a debian box? if so, do you feel the Xwindows is slower? |
| 01:06.37 | gryphon | *so long |
| 01:06.39 | Guerin | gryphon: sarge, 3.1, was released recently |
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| 01:06.55 | TwistedEmotions | Is 2.6.8 newest unstable apt supported kernel? |
| 01:07.03 | gryphon | is it hard to remote upgrade to the newer versions [stable] |
| 01:07.06 | rbochan | TwistedEmotions: 2.6.11, methinks |
| 01:07.06 | quitte | Guerin: oh right. and _I_ caused so much traffic in here that my request disturbs you sooo much. could it be that you'Re in a bad mood right now? |
| 01:07.15 | nvz | mihaly: if its not affecting the performance of the touchpad, then you can just ignore it. or crashing the system. if you are really concerned, notify people that work on the kernel. post to linux kernel mailing list |
| 01:07.17 | TwistedEmotions | rbochan: kk thanks. |
| 01:07.23 | Guerin | gryphon: it's pretty straightforward to updgrade, /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 01:07.32 | Guerin | quitte: fuck off, you twat. |
| 01:07.53 | ethics | nvz, fair call, although if hes on 2.6.12 he should read release notes etc and do all that first. |
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| 01:08.18 | TwistedEmotions | quitte: I have never seen Guerin in a bad mood... and if it should happen.. then this room would empty out.. |
| 01:08.34 | gryphon | sweet. and do these distro's come with upgrades to deal with exploits? i was thinking i would have as first order of business to put in the apt-get :D |
| 01:08.44 | quitte | TwistedEmotions: he obviously is right now. |
| 01:09.01 | TwistedEmotions | quitte: haha you newb... this is him in a good mood. |
| 01:09.05 | Guerin | gryphon: yeah, just make sure you have security.debian.org lines set up right in your sources.list and you'll be fine. |
| 01:09.06 | _Aceman_ | folks, is there any way to know witch device is my usb digital camera? (/dev/sda....sda10) |
| 01:09.28 | gryphon | sweet! thanx Guerin ^_^ |
| 01:09.36 | Guerin | gryphon: you also should read debian-security-announce mailing list and update your machines regularly from the s.d.o sources |
| 01:09.42 | quitte | TwistedEmotions: then he is an asshole and i'm glad that i usually sleep at this time and dont have to meet him. funny im considered a newb |
| 01:09.43 | r4sput1n | I am using a fresh install of Debian Sarge, when I plug my USB memory stick in and manipulate the files in nautilus, specifically deleting files, when I try to unmount the volume so I can remove it, I get a device is busy error. How can I fix this? |
| 01:09.49 | Guerin | ace2001ac: read dmesg |
| 01:09.55 | trave11er | _Aceman_: after you've attached it, check dmesg output, it should say |
| 01:09.55 | ethics | _Aceman_, dmesg will show what its named it on connect |
| 01:09.56 | Guerin | _Aceman_: ^^^ |
| 01:10.05 | trave11er | :-) |
| 01:10.08 | _Aceman_ | ty :))) |
| 01:10.22 | gryphon | Guerin: i plan on doing daily updates// close to it. server is to be hosted at fdc [non irc side] |
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| 01:10.50 | nvz | ethics: yeah I suppose. I was just trying to first stop the repeated pasting, then point out there was no real problem. Other than he was annoyed, and his actions on the matter were just annoying us. |
| 01:10.57 | Guerin | r4sput1n: that;s because gnome is braindead and uses FAM. Make sure there are no shells or windows or programs open using the usb disk, and if necessary use umount -l from a cli to unmount |
| 01:11.22 | ethics | nvz hehe |
| 01:11.47 | nvz | ethics: as for what to do about it I suggest to ignore it. however if not, direct it more appropriatly somewhere else |
| 01:11.57 | Guerin | quitte: you're such a fucking whiner. |
| 01:12.14 | gryphon | unless yall know of a host i can get more than say 5-6TB/month for about 160? |
| 01:12.19 | Guerin | !offense |
| 01:12.19 | dpkg | [offense] don't take offense at things in IRC, none of us exist, we're just lines of text on your screen, or we're all volunteers here, we don't owe you anything. If you don't like something here, tough luck. |
| 01:12.24 | quitte | !ignore Guerin |
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| 01:13.12 | _Aceman_ | i foud my usb camera in sdh, but when i try to mount, it asks the filesystem type |
| 01:13.29 | Pryon | _Aceman_, Are you specifying a partition? |
| 01:13.33 | Guerin | _Aceman_: so tell it |
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| 01:14.01 | _Aceman_ | mount /dev/sdh /fuji didnt work |
| 01:14.22 | Pryon | try /dev/sdh1 |
| 01:14.24 | ethics | _Aceman_, try mount /dec/sdh1 /fuji |
| 01:14.30 | Luke | i've got my own kernel compiled and I need the nvidia drivers. I've got the source and I made a .deb package out of it but I dont understand this target stuff so i cant install it. |
| 01:14.32 | _Aceman_ | ok |
| 01:14.45 | Guerin | _Aceman_: you need to mount a partition, not an entire device |
| 01:14.48 | _Aceman_ | same |
| 01:15.05 | Guerin | _Aceman_: tell it the filesystem - probably vfat |
| 01:15.26 | ethics | _Aceman_ -t filesystem |
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| 01:15.44 | Guerin | Luke: ask dpkg about: kp, kp mantra, nvidia one liner |
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| 01:16.04 | Guerin | Luke: also read man make-kpkg for info on targets |
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| 01:16.17 | _Aceman_ | sux, low baterry, need to recharge... :(((( lol |
| 01:16.22 | Luke | Guerin: i dont seem to have a man make-kpkg |
| 01:16.31 | Guerin | Luke: install kernel-package |
| 01:16.34 | _Aceman_ | but thanks a lot, after recharge ill try it |
| 01:16.50 | Luke | Guerin: it is installed... its just not there for some reason |
| 01:17.04 | Guerin | Luke: if kernel-package was installed, you'd have man make-kpkg |
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| 01:17.12 | r4sput1n | guerin: thanx, that at least gave me a way to unmount the volume before pulling it, which is what I was ending up doing in the past... |
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| 01:17.39 | Guerin | r4sput1n: unplugging a mounted device is an incredibly bad idea if you value the data on it. |
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| 01:18.03 | ricosuave17 | hey Ra1stlin: |
| 01:18.22 | ricosuave17 | hey r4sput1n lover of the russian queens |
| 01:19.05 | mihaly | nvz: I tryed asking in #linux and in #linux-kernel all dead.... |
| 01:19.13 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 01:19.13 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 01:19.16 | r4sput1n | Guerin: that I know, but was resorting to that when I couldn't unmount otherwise |
| 01:19.19 | FieldySnuts | beat me to it |
| 01:19.27 | FieldySnuts | irritating ass logic. or lack of. |
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| 01:21.19 | mihaly | Does anyon of you know any more kernel channels? |
| 01:21.43 | FieldySnuts | #kernelnewbies but they aren't on freenode anymore, not sure where |
| 01:21.46 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: kernelnewbies? |
| 01:21.57 | FieldySnuts | apt: kernelnewbies? |
| 01:22.02 | FieldySnuts | apt: test |
| 01:22.02 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 01:22.08 | nornagon | Heh. |
| 01:22.13 | FieldySnuts | google for kernelnewbies, you'll find out where they are at |
| 01:22.18 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: test |
| 01:22.21 | FieldySnuts | odd |
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| 01:22.48 | mihaly | FieldySnuts: how can i google on a serveral line error message? |
| 01:23.05 | FieldySnuts | i didn't mean google the error, google for kernelnewbies, find out where their irc channel is |
| 01:24.54 | _Aceman_ | i should find this debian channel before, people here are very nice, really |
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| 01:26.30 | nvz | I am in need of a powerful magnet |
| 01:26.40 | nvz | however I dont think I am going to find one |
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| 01:27.36 | nvz | I dont think even those magnets on the arm of the hd will be powerful enough |
| 01:27.56 | ArNav | apt: work |
| 01:27.56 | apt | from memory, work is punishment for failing to procrastinate effectively. |
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| 01:28.38 | nvz | ArNav: might as well procrastinate now, because if you don't you'll never get around to it |
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| 01:29.08 | ArNav | hehe |
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| 01:31.49 | _Aceman_ | does anybody here tried to play soldat with wine? |
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| 01:32.37 | eranj | Hey guys |
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| 01:33.43 | eranj | Could you help me change a mounted harddrive owner? |
| 01:34.17 | caphuso | root:disk |
| 01:34.24 | caphuso | and keep it that way |
| 01:34.37 | eranj | what? |
| 01:34.45 | caphuso | eranj: or are you actually talking about filesystem permissions? |
| 01:35.14 | eranj | caphuso: I guess it's filesystem permissions |
| 01:35.24 | caphuso | eranj: and what filesystem type? |
| 01:35.33 | eranj | caphuso: fat32 |
| 01:35.43 | caphuso | eranj: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 01:35.51 | eranj | caphuso: Is there an option I need to put in /etc/fstab? |
| 01:36.10 | eranj | caphuso: I used rw,user |
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| 01:36.32 | nornagon | Is it possible to write to ntfs? |
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| 01:36.36 | concept10 | what GCC version comes standard with Sarge? |
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| 01:37.03 | caphuso | concept10: 3.3 |
| 01:37.25 | caphuso | 2.95 and 3.4 are available too |
| 01:38.15 | concept10 | Okay, openoffice.org 2.0 beta requires gcc 4.0, will 3.3 still remain on my system if I install OOo? |
| 01:38.28 | eranj | caphuso: It looks like youv'e solved the problem |
| 01:38.30 | caphuso | concept10: yes |
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| 01:38.57 | chemaja_ | nornagon: there's some project (of which i forget the name) which provides this. IIRC, it essentially wraps the associated Windows code and runs as a user-level driver. Don't know if it's in Debian. |
| 01:39.05 | andrewski | is the xfwm4 package compiled with compositor support? |
| 01:40.07 | nornagon | chemaja_: ew. |
| 01:40.11 | concept10 | caphuso, the reason I ask, I have seen alot of people report problems with GCC 4. I didnt want to install 4 and introduce problems |
| 01:40.18 | nornagon | That's, like, as bad as ndiswrapper. |
| 01:40.26 | chemaja_ | nornagon: you asked. |
| 01:40.31 | nornagon | heh. |
| 01:40.37 | eranj | caphuso: should I write the whole uid like "uid=1000(ej)" or without the "(ej)"? |
| 01:41.04 | caphuso | eranj: without |
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| 01:41.37 | eranj | caphuso: How do I restart fstab? |
| 01:41.46 | ricosuave17 | use restart |
| 01:41.51 | ricosuave17 | and u dont need to |
| 01:41.56 | caphuso | eranj: you don't. you just umount and remount whatever filesystem you've changed |
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| 01:42.13 | eranj | caphuso: OK. Let me see |
| 01:42.47 | eranj | caphuso: I don't understand why the drive is busy |
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| 01:43.23 | caphuso | eranj: you have some process accessing it. maybe a shell cd'ed into the mount point |
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| 01:43.51 | eranj | caphuso: it isn't. I'm on the first h,drive |
| 01:44.06 | chemaja_ | eranj: it could be a component of your DE |
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| 01:44.13 | caphuso | eranj: use lsof or fuser to find out what process it is |
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| 01:45.03 | eranj | caphuso: it's famd |
| 01:45.09 | eranj | caphuso: what is that? |
| 01:45.24 | caphuso | eranj: apt-cache show fam |
| 01:45.57 | caphuso | it's probably gnomme or kde that invoked it |
| 01:46.01 | caphuso | s/mmm/m/ |
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| 01:47.06 | JeffH | where can I find info about the changes to spamc and spamassassin that went into sarge today? |
| 01:47.15 | rixth | Okay, when I booted up this morning, fsck wanted to check /dev/sda3 (/home) becasue it had been mounted 30 times. It reported 7508201 bad blocks. |
| 01:47.20 | rixth | Should I be worried? |
| 01:47.23 | caphuso | JeffH: /usr/share/doc/spamassassin/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 01:47.30 | rixth | This harddrive is less than a month old... |
| 01:47.42 | JeffH | caphuso: thanks. |
| 01:47.46 | eranj | caphuso: I still have no permission to write a directory, I think I've mounted it wrong |
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| 01:47.54 | caphuso | eranj: so do it right |
| 01:48.15 | eranj | caphuso: Where should I put uid and gid? |
| 01:48.18 | caphuso | eranj: /etc/fstab |
| 01:48.28 | z|bandito | hi caphuso |
| 01:49.25 | Bac9 | is ther any way to choose which iconset gtk apps use or does that only depend on the version of gtk? |
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| 01:49.44 | ethics | rixth id be trying some diagnostic tools on it....seagate etc have their own bootdisks etc now |
| 01:49.45 | eranj | caphuso: I unmounted but I've no permission to restart fstab though I'm root! |
| 01:49.50 | JeffH | is there an easy way to import data from an excel spreadsheet into a mysql database? |
| 01:50.17 | ethics | JeffH, csv files |
| 01:50.34 | chemaja | eranj: wrong fs, but here's the general format of specifying options: "\\billyxp\share /mnt/billyxp.share smbfs gid=users,fmask=660,dmask=770" |
| 01:51.09 | ethics | JeffH, the formulaes die but your data lists can imported like text import |
| 01:51.17 | caphuso | eranj: you have no what? |
| 01:51.24 | eranj | chemaja: it's a local h. drive |
| 01:51.29 | rixth | ethics, thanks. If it doesn't get fixed, it will certainly be going back. Is 7.5 million blocks alot? |
| 01:51.56 | chemaja | eranj: yes, i know. |
| 01:51.58 | eranj | caphuso: it says permission denied for restarting fstab |
| 01:52.04 | caphuso | eranj: WHAT? |
| 01:52.08 | chemaja | lol |
| 01:52.10 | caphuso | eranj: what the hell are you doing? |
| 01:52.23 | eranj | caphuso: trying to restart fstab |
| 01:52.26 | Guerin | restarting fstab? |
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| 01:52.42 | caphuso | eranj: i've told you just a couple of minutes ago that you don't restart fstab |
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| 01:52.55 | caphuso | eranj: so whatever the hell it is you are trying to do, STOP |
| 01:53.03 | ethics | rixth, look at your fdisk table to see the geometry info.. |
| 01:53.17 | eranj | caphuso: Ok.stopped. let's do it slowly. how do I make it work? |
| 01:53.42 | fando | hey guys, where can i find debian-compatible laptop lists? |
| 01:53.43 | caphuso | eranj: edit /etc/fstab and put in the correct options. mount your filesysten |
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| 01:54.14 | streuner | fando: try /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 01:54.21 | fando | thanks |
| 01:54.31 | eranj | caphuso: I've done that but I don't understand where to put the options when I mount |
| 01:54.46 | atholas | How can I get dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to automatically detect the hardware settings without it using the old/previously entered values? |
| 01:54.57 | caphuso | eranj: you don't |
| 01:55.09 | eranj | caphuso: so what should I do? |
| 01:55.11 | caphuso | you just "mount /whatever" |
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| 01:55.25 | caphuso | where "/whatever" is the mount point you've configured in /etc/fstab |
| 01:55.26 | eranj | caphuso: then will it work? |
| 01:55.34 | caphuso | eranj: assuming you didn't mess up, yes |
| 01:55.43 | caphuso | long shot, i know... |
| 01:55.44 | eranj | caphuso: no options needed,right? |
| 01:55.47 | liable | !tell atholas about xmd5sum |
| 01:55.58 | eranj | caphuso: as long as I know it's fine |
| 01:56.14 | caphuso | eranj: i just fucking told you that you don't need no options when running mount |
| 01:56.23 | atholas | I tried that already, liable. |
| 01:56.27 | caphuso | eranj: why aren't you listening? |
| 01:56.27 | eranj | caphuso: ok,sorry! |
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| 01:56.55 | DavidA6900 | how do I restart x so that new config settings will be used? ctrl+alt+basckspace? |
| 01:57.09 | ricosuave17 | that will just kill it |
| 01:57.13 | JeffH | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.33 | streuner | DavidA6900: if you start X via (x)dm just kill one of those... |
| 01:57.39 | karsten | JeffH: Depends on your goals. |
| 01:57.42 | eranj | caphuso: still permission denied when I try to mkdir |
| 01:57.48 | karsten | JeffH: Hrm. |
| 01:57.48 | DavidA6900 | ok |
| 01:58.05 | karsten | JeffH: One table. Don't make variables part of your data structure. |
| 01:58.30 | karsten | JeffH: stock, date, open, close. Maybe a high / low and trade volume. |
| 01:58.37 | caphuso | eranj: then you made a mistake in /etc/fb.modes |
| 01:58.43 | caphuso | damn, /etc/fstab |
| 01:58.46 | JeffH | karsten: not going to track anything like volume.. JUST price on a given day. |
| 01:58.55 | karsten | JeffH: If I thought about it I could probably tell you why one table per stock violates Codd's rules of data normalization. |
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| 01:59.03 | eranj | caphuso: I've found out. I should've mount with mount -t -a |
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| 01:59.24 | karsten | JeffH: ...but basically, as stocks are added and/or removed from the market, you'd have to change your database structure, and all your queries. |
| 01:59.28 | atholas | liable: even aftering doing that, the old value is still used to configure X. |
| 01:59.29 | caphuso | and i wonder why he thinks he needs -a |
| 01:59.37 | FieldySnuts | dunno. no man page-fu |
| 01:59.51 | karsten | FieldySnuts: '-t' in what? |
| 01:59.56 | liable | atholas: yeah, but you caan change it and restartx |
| 02:00.02 | JeffH | karsten: that's why I was thinking 1 stock per table would be better. |
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| 02:00.16 | karsten | JeffH: Um. Can you read with comprehension? |
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| 02:00.25 | eranj | oops, the '-t' was wrong |
| 02:00.28 | karsten | JeffH: That's why one stock per table is blindingly idiotic. |
| 02:00.47 | zirocn | hi |
| 02:00.53 | karsten | JeffH: With a single-table design, if a stock goes inactive, you simply stop updating its records. |
| 02:01.03 | eranj | FieldySnuts: thanks for the comment. I didn't know I was wrong |
| 02:01.09 | karsten | JeffH: One table. stock. date. close. |
| 02:01.10 | druida | hola, alguien que hable espanol? |
| 02:01.12 | atholas | liable: Thanks anyway |
| 02:01.14 | karsten | !es |
| 02:01.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:01.39 | liable | atholas: what are you actually trying to achieve? |
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| 02:03.21 | druida | thanks and sorry, I am going to debian-es... :D |
| 02:03.28 | lilohatea | # flood /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 02:03.32 | eranj | caphuso: now I can't create directories in h.drive thorugh gnome and It won't show up in 'computer'. I can only create folders in the folder I've created |
| 02:03.47 | zirocn | kill |
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| 02:04.22 | kasper | how do i add modules to startup (i.e battery, ac, thermal, etc)? |
| 02:04.23 | atholas | lliable: Sarge didn't manage to autodetect my display card and lcd monitor properly and I don't have the HorizSync VertRefresh data available, and so I wanted to get it auto detected again to see if it will work |
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| 02:04.57 | JeffH | karsten: oops, I misread your previous messages. I see what you're saying about the table per stock solution. Would you add a column for symbol? or a separate name => symbol table? |
| 02:04.58 | streuner | kasper: /etc/modules |
| 02:05.38 | streuner | atholas: what videocard do you have? |
| 02:05.39 | kasper | streuner: what do i need to have the temp working? is that the thermal? |
| 02:05.55 | streuner | kasper: lm-sensors |
| 02:06.08 | streuner | kasper: and a kernel which supports it |
| 02:06.18 | cast | alright, current issue: why does `aptitude -t stable search gabber2` work when gabber2 isnt in stable? is it that -t doesnt work for search/show and only for install? |
| 02:06.22 | atholas | streuner: I have an old nvidia GeForce2 and some unknown brand LCD monitor. |
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| 02:06.43 | streuner | atholas: did you /msg dpkg nvidia? |
| 02:06.48 | Zetabyte | Hey all - I'm trying to set up VPN services on my firewall machine so that I can be on our internal network externally. I'm having trouble finding a howto, walkthrough, or docs. Any suggestions? |
| 02:06.52 | karsten | JeffH: Depends. Fully normalized would split the full name to a seperate table. You could have various names and/or anciallary information for a given stock. |
| 02:07.04 | kasper | streuner: i added acpi=on durring boot, and i can modprobe them, so i guess it works, is lm-sensors the only thing i need to add or add that and battery, ac etc? |
| 02:07.38 | karsten | JeffH: So a "stock" table might be keyed on symbol, and include full name, address, and any other information which is appropriate to the company and/or shares being traded. Eg: preferred or common stock. |
| 02:08.05 | karsten | JeffH: Note that there's an m:1 relatioinship between stock and a company, a given firm may have multiple forms of stock. |
| 02:08.10 | streuner | kasper: install the package and run sensors-detect |
| 02:08.27 | liable | atholas: dont worry about the auto detect, just pick the driver you need, and put the refresh rates in yourself. |
| 02:08.28 | atholas | streuner: Yeah I did. Somehow the LCD monitor "snows" and goes all white when I start X. I'm quite sure these hardware can be auto detected because Ubuntu didn't seem to have trouble doing that. |
| 02:08.50 | karsten | JeffH: Depends also on your storage needs. Carrying full name in a trades table for, say, the fortune 1000 means duplicating the information 1000 each day. |
| 02:08.58 | streuner | atholas: ubuntu use x.org |
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| 02:09.04 | eranj | How do I start lm-sensors? |
| 02:09.15 | JeffH | true. I think that type of consideration is overkill for the database I'm trying to design.. but good to keep in mind. |
| 02:09.15 | atholas | liable: Wouldn't the wrong refresh rates have the potential to damage the montiro? |
| 02:09.26 | karsten | eranj: /etc/init.d/lm-sensors start |
| 02:09.47 | karsten | JeffH: Data has a very strong tendency to propogate, and to last longer than you'd expect. |
| 02:09.51 | atholas | streuner: but the underlying hardware detection mechanism is the same, right? |
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| 02:09.55 | nyterukh | hi |
| 02:10.19 | streuner | atholas: How should i know? We use debian NOT ubuntu |
| 02:10.21 | eranj | karsten: How do I view the tempratures? |
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| 02:10.50 | bomex | how do i open ports in debian? |
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| 02:10.57 | FieldySnuts | define open ports |
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| 02:11.08 | karsten | eranj: Um... |
| 02:11.25 | bomex | well, like open tcp ports for psybnc and such |
| 02:11.32 | liable | atholas: just pick the medium, option for the lcd, and pick a resolution with 60Hz, should be safe. |
| 02:11.32 | karsten | eranj: ...with a sensor client. gkrellm should have one. |
| 02:11.44 | atholas | streuner: that's exactly the reason why I switched, just simply because it's a Debian hack :) |
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| 02:11.58 | atholas | liable: thanks, I'll go try that. |
| 02:12.27 | liable | atholas: you know the max resolution of the lcd? |
| 02:13.01 | Zetabyte | Most modern monitors, iirc, can't be damaged by invalid ranges. they just refuse to opperate in ranges they don't support. that's the advantage of multi-sync. |
| 02:13.15 | Zetabyte | i would imagine that to be especially true of LCDs. |
| 02:13.20 | Guerin | and LCD can't be damaged by bad rates, either |
| 02:13.22 | karsten | Zetabyte: That's been the case since the mid-late 1990s. |
| 02:13.26 | eranj | karsten: I'm in sensors configuration but I don't understand what to do there |
| 02:13.42 | SDFH_Linux | how you make firestarter start automatically on boot up? |
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| 02:13.48 | karsten | Zetabyte: And AFAIK LCD's *can't* be physically damaged, entirely different display mechanism. |
| 02:14.08 | druida | hi all... since days ago the kernel 2.6.x had a new bug... why debian didnt fix it or even announce it in security-announce? thats mean debian kernel-source-2.6.8 package is old and I must download sources of kernel.org? or how debian manage the kernel bugs and patchs? I am lost :( |
| 02:14.08 | karsten | eranj: I don't have sensors on my current systems, I've done this elsewhere... |
| 02:14.20 | karsten | eranj: Meantime, 'apt-cache search sensor' may provide clues. |
| 02:14.22 | Zetabyte | karsten: yeh, makes sense to me |
| 02:14.27 | atholas | liable: I'm guessing it is 1024x768.. I can't find any information regarding the spec of the monitor. |
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| 02:15.03 | eranj | karsten: I'll drop it for now. Can you think of a bittorrent client with web interface? |
| 02:15.16 | eranj | karsten: a light one |
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| 02:15.35 | FieldySnuts | web interface kinda obliterates the concept of light |
| 02:15.40 | liable | atholas: hrm, well if you pick the wrong res, it'll not show properly, so pick a lower one then. |
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| 02:15.53 | [Elad] | hello all! |
| 02:16.00 | FieldySnuts | wtf is so hard about bittornado, btdownloadcurses.py or btdownloadgui-or-whatever-it-is.py |
| 02:16.05 | karsten | eranj: lm-sensors is the package you want, BTW. It's got some commandline clients. I don't have it installed. |
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| 02:16.15 | druida | please, anyone can help me? |
| 02:16.16 | atholas | liable: Ok. You've been a great help, thanks a lot. |
| 02:16.23 | [Elad] | userdel: user almog is currently logged in , but I cant see him on w command :S |
| 02:16.27 | Zetabyte | I know it might be slightly OT, but still looking for a howto or walkthrough for setting up VPN services - anyone know of a helpful one? |
| 02:16.37 | streuner | atholas: anyway, you get a good hardware-detection in knoppix... ;-) |
| 02:16.39 | Gnea | druida: why? |
| 02:16.48 | karsten | eranj: I use btdownloadcurses myself. |
| 02:17.05 | druida | Gnea: since days ago the kernel 2.6.x had a new bug... why debian didnt fix it or even announce it in security-announce? thats mean debian kernel-source-2.6.8 package is old and I must download sources of kernel.org? or how debian manage the kernel bugs and patchs? I am lost :( |
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| 02:17.13 | [Elad] | on w command: 4 users but it's show me just 2, wth it's ? |
| 02:17.25 | Gnea | druida: what's this bug? url? |
| 02:17.26 | karsten | druida: You might want to ask on the debian-security list. |
| 02:17.29 | FieldySnuts | druida: because debian's security team is in strife and reorganization, they're a mess currently |
| 02:17.34 | karsten | druida: What security issue? |
| 02:17.36 | FieldySnuts | bbl |
| 02:17.48 | druida | is a DoS, I remember |
| 02:18.00 | Gnea | who reported it? |
| 02:18.00 | eranj | karsten: I've installed lm-sensors. can you link me to btdownlaodcurses hompage? |
| 02:18.04 | Gnea | where was it reported? |
| 02:18.22 | Gnea | what site holds the information regarding this so-called DoS? |
| 02:18.30 | druida | I dont remember exactly the url, I saw it in a hispasec.com security bulletin |
| 02:18.31 | karsten | druida: Provide a URL. |
| 02:18.37 | FieldySnuts | it's the inturnutt, it msut be true |
| 02:18.47 | Gnea | why can't you provide real information to back up your claim? |
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| 02:19.03 | streuner | druida: any URL? |
| 02:19.03 | FieldySnuts | i think he's right, but shrug i don't have the info on me |
| 02:19.06 | druida | wait, I will find the url... but this is in spanish, is the same? |
| 02:19.17 | Gnea | who cares |
| 02:19.18 | Gnea | find it |
| 02:19.20 | karsten | eranj: apt-cache search bittorrent |
| 02:19.22 | Gnea | we'll translate :) |
| 02:19.25 | druida | ok, wait |
| 02:19.26 | karsten | !tell eranj abouts earch |
| 02:19.30 | [Elad] | someone please :( ? |
| 02:19.32 | karsten | !tell eranj about search |
| 02:19.44 | Gnea | [Elad]: what? |
| 02:19.51 | karsten | [Elad]: Corrupted wtmp file? |
| 02:19.53 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: someone. anyone. you! |
| 02:19.59 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: BAH! |
| 02:20.15 | eranj | karsten: are you sure it has web interface? |
| 02:20.15 | [Elad] | karsten, where is the wtmp file? |
| 02:20.15 | atholas | streuner: *grin* I guess I'll download it, grab its XF86Config-4 and use it on Sarge if all fails :) |
| 02:21.03 | druida | is a local issue, it is here: http://www.hispasec.com/unaaldia/2439 |
| 02:21.03 | karsten | eranj: I don't use bt extensively. I think there's a Java client that will run in a browser. There are several other BT clients. Package descriptions will tell you more than I can. |
| 02:21.07 | karsten | [Elad]: man wtmp |
| 02:21.23 | FieldySnuts | man i don't like when people here have large fireworks. because they are insane enough to randomly point them at windows and set your place on fire. |
| 02:21.23 | karsten | [Elad]: It tracks user login information. /var/log/wtmp |
| 02:21.44 | eranj | karsten: thanks. I think I'll try btmanager tomorrow |
| 02:21.47 | [Elad] | karsten, thank u very much |
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| 02:22.03 | karsten | [Elad]: NP. 'w' gets its info from wtmp. |
| 02:22.17 | [Elad] | thanks :)) |
| 02:22.33 | karsten | [Elad]: Another issue: logfiles tend to rotate periodically. It's now July 1 in most of the world. If you've been logged in since June, you won't have a current wtmp entry. |
| 02:22.43 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: aren't you in mi? |
| 02:22.58 | FieldySnuts | what's mi |
| 02:23.08 | Gnea | some kinda state i guess |
| 02:23.11 | karsten | [Elad]: That's going to depend on your logfile rotation policy. 'man logrotate' for more info. |
| 02:23.12 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 02:23.14 | Gnea | :P |
| 02:23.24 | karsten | FieldySnuts: "A thing about myself"? |
| 02:23.24 | FieldySnuts | i travel so much i don't really live anywhere |
| 02:23.29 | FieldySnuts | karsten: ? |
| 02:23.36 | Gnea | heh |
| 02:23.38 | druida | here is in english: http://secunia.com/advisories/15812/ |
| 02:23.41 | FieldySnuts | que? |
| 02:24.05 | FieldySnuts | go away |
| 02:24.08 | JeffH | occasionally when I open up outlook I'm told it can't connect with the imap server.. I'm running courier-imap.. anyoine else seen this? |
| 02:24.11 | FieldySnuts | give it to Phated |
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| 02:24.33 | karsten | s/Judy/Julie/ |
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| 02:25.15 | karsten | FieldySnuts: "Do, a deer, a female deer / Re, a piece of golden sun / Mi, a thing, about myself / Fa, a long long way to go ..." |
| 02:25.32 | karsten | FieldySnuts: From "The Sound of Music" |
| 02:25.38 | ricosuave17 | i loe that song |
| 02:25.40 | ricosuave17 | love |
| 02:25.42 | FieldySnuts | uh yeah. so next |
| 02:25.53 | karsten | ricosuave17: It's one of my favorite things.... |
| 02:25.59 | buu | "Look down, look down and see the beggars at your feet.." |
| 02:26.07 | ricosuave17 | te a drink with jam and bread that |
| 02:26.11 | ricosuave17 | would bring us back to DO |
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| 02:26.23 | js_ | ti |
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| 02:26.31 | buu | Pssh, my musical was better |
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| 02:26.46 | karsten | druida: Well, there apparently *isn't* a fix. It's a local DoS. Relatively low threat. |
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| 02:26.53 | decipher | hello |
| 02:27.26 | druida | karsten: for that reason debian doesnt announce it then? |
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| 02:28.09 | chemaja | karsten: also, "This only affects the amd64 platform. (CAN-2005-1762)" |
| 02:28.15 | happyb | any advise on installing java? |
| 02:28.18 | karsten | druida: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
| 02:28.24 | karsten | druida: All Debian security announcements are there. |
| 02:28.31 | druida | I mean... the kernel-source-2.6.8 package is not out of time? can I stay calm about security ptoblems? |
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| 02:28.34 | Guerin | !tell happyb about install java |
| 02:28.38 | streuner | and amd64 isn't stable... |
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| 02:28.42 | karsten | chemaja: Aye, that would tend to be somewhat limiting in scope. |
| 02:28.55 | Guerin | streuner: it is getting official s.d.o support, though |
| 02:29.02 | happyb | i got jr2e, "ran" it from /usr/local |
| 02:29.05 | karsten | druida: If it hasn't been announced, as I said, you're more than welcome to post to the debian-security list to ask about it and status. |
| 02:29.06 | happyb | now what? |
| 02:29.09 | chemaja | druida: you may want to raise/search for the issue with upstream devs (kernel devs) |
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| 02:29.19 | karsten | druida: If you're not running AMD64 and/or aren't hosting remote users, you've got a pretty low risk. |
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| 02:29.21 | Shorty` | so, x86_64 been moved into etch yet? |
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| 02:29.30 | vladster | is there a documented howto for installing and compiling the 2.6.12 kernel |
| 02:29.34 | Guerin | Shorty`: not yet. |
| 02:29.34 | Gnea | druida: The vulnerability is caused due to an error in "fault.c" and can cause the kernel to crash when handling specially crafted "syscall()" arguments on the AMD64 platform when running in 32-bit compatibility mode. |
| 02:29.38 | Guerin | vladster: no. |
| 02:29.46 | FieldySnuts | that's pretty damn specific |
| 02:29.48 | trave11er | druida: kernel team is preparing security updates for sarge, check recent traffic on debian-kernel list |
| 02:29.49 | Shorty` | Guerin, I thought it was going to be moved in? |
| 02:29.52 | Gnea | indeed |
| 02:29.54 | Guerin | Shorty`: it will be. |
| 02:30.01 | Shorty` | Guerin, ah, good. :> |
| 02:30.07 | Guerin | Shorty`: hence 'yet' |
| 02:30.11 | FieldySnuts | so otherwords morons might get crashed. and you are one if you run amd64 in 32-bit mode. |
| 02:30.14 | Gnea | and, at the moment, not very threatening :) |
| 02:30.18 | Shorty` | we're deploying alot of them.. we don't want to keep running a non official branch. |
| 02:30.35 | vladster | crap, the driver I need for the capture card in the 2.6.12 kernel but not in earlier versions |
| 02:30.38 | FieldySnuts | deploying etch? somebody is mental and likes pain |
| 02:30.40 | druida | ah ok... then Debian kernel-source package is not out of time? can i stay calm? |
| 02:30.50 | FieldySnuts | what do you mean, when you say, "out of time"? |
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| 02:31.02 | Gnea | !beer druida |
| 02:31.11 | chemaja | druida: actually, we recommend intermittent bouts of irrational panic ;) |
| 02:31.18 | Gnea | druida: it was a very good claim, relax and enjoy :) |
| 02:31.27 | vladster | The driver is currently relaesed as an rpm only |
| 02:31.39 | Gnea | chemaja: heh |
| 02:31.42 | FieldySnuts | take it back then, lame hardware |
| 02:31.45 | druida | FieldySnuts: I mean if that package is not old, and it has every available patches |
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| 02:31.56 | FieldySnuts | i don't know, i do my own kernels |
| 02:31.58 | FieldySnuts | ~do kernels |
| 02:31.58 | apt | ACTION does kernels. |
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| 02:32.02 | vladster | cutting edge hardware |
| 02:32.03 | druida | jajajaja ok Gnea... sorry, I am new with debian |
| 02:32.10 | Gnea | ~do your mom |
| 02:32.11 | apt | ACTION does your mom. |
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| 02:32.27 | vladster | this is the new HDTV3000 card |
| 02:32.29 | FieldySnuts | vladster: made by a company which thinks everyone uses rpm, meaning they don't have a clue in the linux world. i'd get different hardware from someone else |
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| 02:32.47 | FieldySnuts | but i can say that 10 more times and not get through, ta ta |
| 02:32.59 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: bad!! |
| 02:33.11 | druida | FieldySnuts: I do too, but with kernel-source-2.6.8 package... should I use the kernel.org sources? |
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| 02:33.16 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: but a good bad ;) |
| 02:33.23 | FieldySnuts | shya. |
| 02:33.30 | FieldySnuts | like, what ever |
| 02:33.37 | Guerin | vladster: just like building any other kernel. |
| 02:33.47 | vladster | Well I already spent the cash and kind of late for a refund |
| 02:33.47 | Guerin | vladster: ask dpkg about kp and kp mantra |
| 02:33.58 | qazix | ~do Knee in the gnea |
| 02:33.58 | apt | ACTION does Knee in the gnea. |
| 02:34.12 | qazix | hot. |
| 02:34.16 | vladster | will he grace me with his wisdom? |
| 02:34.19 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 02:34.31 | FieldySnuts | Knights of Gnea |
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| 02:36.16 | kadigibox | anyone know about swappiness? |
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| 02:36.59 | Shorty` | I *love* rsync |
| 02:37.04 | Gnea | heh |
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| 02:37.11 | Gnea | they're already shooting off fireworks |
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| 02:39.01 | sess | I have an ati rage mobility m3, using the r128 gfx chipset. I've finaally gotten dri working, but when I log out of a session using xdm, gdm, or kdm, the screen locks up and gets fuzzy. my keyboad is also locked as well |
| 02:39.16 | sess | any known fixes? |
| 02:39.33 | pizza_ | kadigibox: ask your question :) |
| 02:39.36 | druida | I last (and repetead) question: so, even when the debian kernel-source.2.6.8 package is not the ultimate kernel version, has it every needed patches and is safe? (please dont kill me, I just a little butthead :) |
| 02:39.44 | Cyano-Mobile | after editing /etc/network/options how do I have the system accept the changes |
| 02:40.21 | druida | I have eaten the AM word, sorry :D |
| 02:40.22 | kadigibox | I did ask my question |
| 02:40.28 | kadigibox | anyone know about swappiness? |
| 02:40.36 | kadigibox | cause I cannot find it in /sys |
| 02:40.59 | sess | anyone have gdm or kdm or xdm lock up when they log out of an x session? |
| 02:41.20 | chemaja | kadigibox: you're making little to no sense. |
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| 02:41.46 | liable | sess: look in ~/.xsessionerrors and /var/log/Xfree86.0.log, see if there any clues in there. |
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| 02:41.47 | beardy | kadigibox: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 02:41.49 | kadigibox | its something to configure swap usage |
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| 02:42.35 | kadigibox | it is a smart question. I just wondering if anyone knows about it like if its in debian or not |
| 02:42.51 | beardy | kadigibox: Read it. |
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| 02:43.06 | kadigibox | no beardy |
| 02:43.07 | sess | none liable |
| 02:43.09 | vinux2 | hey all I have a question. What is the name of the pkg for the alsa modules? |
| 02:43.15 | Miaz | hey, anyone here familiar with doing SATA with either GRUB or LILO |
| 02:43.15 | sess | nothing, I don't even have the .xsessionerrors |
| 02:43.26 | sess | its screen corruption, but it doesn't happen when I turn off dri in the config |
| 02:43.31 | sess | I need dri so this isn['t an option |
| 02:43.35 | beardy | kadigibox: Suit yourself, I was only trying to help you get help. |
| 02:43.37 | liable | sess: in /home/'your user' |
| 02:43.38 | Miaz | since i installed my new SATA drives, both GRUB and LILO refuse to boot unless i unplug them |
| 02:43.40 | bigfoot1 | hello: anybody here using "visual boy advance"? How can we save the game? What are the controls for saving and loading states? |
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| 02:43.49 | sess | liable, the file doesn't exist |
| 02:43.55 | liable | sess: its a hidden file |
| 02:43.59 | qazix | kadigibox: it's not in /sys; it should be /proc/sys/vm/swapiness |
| 02:44.25 | sess | its found, called .xsession-errors |
| 02:44.33 | qazix | kadigibox: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 |
| 02:44.38 | beardy | bigfoot1: Look under the menus. |
| 02:44.43 | kadigibox | thanks |
| 02:44.58 | ricosuave17 | visual boy? |
| 02:44.59 | ricosuave17 | ?? |
| 02:45.03 | sess | nothing useful, just stuff that happeend during the x session |
| 02:45.13 | bigfoot1 | beardy, i'm using Linux by the way, so there is no menu. VBA opens up in full screen (which is the way I like to play). |
| 02:45.14 | sess | so its not a commonly known problem? |
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| 02:46.21 | druida | thanks all for helping me... I must to leave now... |
| 02:46.43 | bigfoot1 | beardy, sorry, i got disconnected there. but i'm back. did you say something while i was gone? |
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| 02:49.14 | bigfoot1 | beardy,i'm using version 1.7.2-1 by the way. |
| 02:49.40 | abyss | where i can find a codec for Xvid,DivX etc for debain? |
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| 02:49.47 | bomex | how come x-chat doesnt support psybnc? |
| 02:49.56 | Guerin | abyss: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:50.12 | Guerin | bomex: how is this a debian issue? |
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| 02:50.46 | lyndros | hi all |
| 02:50.53 | mentor | bomex: Because nobody has written code to support it yet? |
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| 02:51.58 | thd | Is the ppp persist option broken in sarge or did a security change a few months ago disable its function? |
| 02:52.10 | bomex | Guerin, im sorry, my bad |
| 02:52.15 | bomex | i'll take it elsewhere=) |
| 02:53.08 | SDFH_Linux | how you make firestarter start automatically on boot up? |
| 02:53.35 | vladster | If I install this kernel, what dependencies do I have to meet in order for it to work properly |
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| 02:58.18 | phaedrus4444 | yo |
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| 03:08.03 | werdnaxoc | package distribution warz |
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| 03:09.05 | metaperl | I am running KDE but amarok says I need to install something called kdemultimedia-devel, but that does not exist. I think that must be a fedora pkg name |
| 03:09.20 | metaperl | hmm maybe #amarok is a good place for this :) |
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| 03:13.58 | beardy | bigfoot1: Please don't msg me. Read the documentation, I'm sure the shortcut keys are documented there. |
| 03:14.21 | bigfoot1 | beardy: sorry. where is the documentation? |
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| 03:15.15 | beardy | bigfoot1: /usr/share/doc/programname/ |
| 03:15.37 | bigfoot1 | beardy, thank you. I will check it out right now. I appreciate your help. |
| 03:16.31 | beardy | bigfoot1: If you don't find anything there, look at the programs webpage. Or use google to find the answers. |
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| 03:18.15 | bigfoot1 | beardy, okay. i think i found a readme file in the directory you told me about. But i would just like to ask you for your opinion/comment: Do you use any graphical frontend for VBA? |
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| 03:19.48 | beardy | bigfoot1: I have never used VBA in debian. |
| 03:20.10 | bigfoot1 | beardy, oh, i see. so you use VBA only in Windows, then? |
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| 03:22.54 | furrywolf | what options are there for taking online auction payments other than the fucking-worthless paypal? |
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| 03:23.28 | litage__ | what's the difference between 3.1 r0 and r0a? |
| 03:23.41 | furrywolf | they still haven't fixed my account... guess the guy on the phone who told me it would be easier to open a new account with a fake name (yes, their tech support guy said that) than to get my current account fixed was right... |
| 03:24.26 | furrywolf | now they're not letting me withdraw my cash. they won't let me send it to anyone, use it to pay for things, nor will they mail me a check, despite claiming they would. |
| 03:24.34 | furrywolf | and someone just sent me a payment |
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| 03:26.10 | bigfoot1 | furrywolf, what are you talking about? |
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| 03:26.33 | furrywolf | bigfoot1: just ranting. paypal has managed to screw me over, once again. |
| 03:26.48 | furrywolf | I was hoping someone here knew of a less-evil online payment company |
| 03:27.23 | bigfoot1 | furrywolf, google is coming out with one, i hear. |
| 03:27.27 | netman1 | litage__: A bug (can't find a the message refering to it now) |
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| 03:27.58 | litage__ | thanks netman1 |
| 03:28.07 | bigfoot1 | furrywolf, and you know google's motto: "Don't be evil." 8-) |
| 03:28.26 | bigfoot1 | when i think of google, i feel happy. |
| 03:28.40 | furrywolf | coming out with one isn't the same as having one right now I can put on my ebay auctions. :) |
| 03:29.53 | trave11er | furrywolf: there is a bunch, like bidpay and whatnot |
| 03:30.03 | trave11er | (whatnot is not actually one) |
| 03:30.09 | furrywolf | bidpay charges completely ridiculous fees to the buyer |
| 03:30.17 | trave11er | furrywolf: heh |
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| 03:33.09 | furrywolf | for example, on a $100 item, bidpay charges the customer $7.31. 7% is a bit high to expect customers to pay... |
| 03:33.43 | furrywolf | for a $5 item, they charge $1.95 |
| 03:33.52 | litage__ | what's the difference between all of the binary-X Debian torrents?: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 03:34.17 | hgf | hey |
| 03:34.25 | egg|quadcore | hello there |
| 03:34.41 | hgf | so ppl talk bout debian in here |
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| 03:35.08 | furrywolf | hgf: no. |
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| 03:35.28 | steve | hey all... I'm using the kernel's bridging module, but every few hours it just crashes, no output to logfiles or anything - any ideas? |
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| 03:36.03 | furrywolf | hrmm, and those rates are, in fact, wrong, as they're not including other fees. so bidpay works out to be 10-20% or more of the total payment. I'm amazed anyone uses them with rates like that. |
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| 03:38.16 | Bac9 | is ther any way to choose which iconset gtk apps use or does that only depend on the version of gtk? |
| 03:38.20 | mwilson | litage__: What do you mean "difference"? You can't read the installation guide? |
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| 03:38.36 | mwilson | Bac9: It has nothing to do with the version of GTK. |
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| 03:38.50 | Bac9 | mwilson: then where is it set? |
| 03:39.08 | Bac9 | mwilson: it seems to change with gtk updates so I figured they were tied somehow |
| 03:39.24 | mwilson | Bac9: In your gtkrc file like any other GTK property, of course. |
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| 03:39.42 | belracu | where do i look for PCI initalisation ? |
| 03:40.10 | Bac9 | mwilson: 'widget_class "*" style "user-font"' is what I have that's even close to this |
| 03:40.34 | Bac9 | mwilson: but I don't see the line telling it which iconset to use |
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| 03:41.02 | furrywolf | trave11er: any less-rip-off suggestions? :) |
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| 03:41.29 | rking | hey, a weird thing: if you install a perl library .deb, how does it know not to pull in its dependencies as .deb's if you already have (say, a newer) CPAN installation of that module? |
| 03:41.37 | Bac9 | mwilson: maybe you can point me to the option that triggers it? |
| 03:41.43 | trave11er | furrywolf: i don't remember, but there were a couple of sites bitching on paypal and offering the alternatives by truckload |
| 03:41.51 | caphuso | rking: it doesn't |
| 03:42.24 | rking | caphuso: oh... it's going to install to a different dir (no local/) and that's how the conflict is resolved (right?) |
| 03:42.28 | caphuso | rking: which is why you use dh-make-perl to install CPAN modules |
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| 03:42.45 | metaperl | how do I search for all packages installed which have "mesa" in their name? |
| 03:42.52 | rking | caphuso: really? even if you're just grabbing a one-off? |
| 03:42.55 | caphuso | rking: yes |
| 03:43.01 | furrywolf | that one that did all transactions in gold looked good, but looked like a pain for customers to use. |
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| 03:43.12 | rking | caphuso: cool - will do |
| 03:43.14 | Miazmatic | i just added two SATA drives to my system via a PCI card, and even though GRUB is installed and booting from an IDE drive, for some reason it hangs whenever SATA drives are present. any ideas? |
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| 03:43.42 | rking | caphuso: speaking of that, how hard is it to become a maintainer of lib*-perl packages. i would be a good maintainer, no slackin, i promise |
| 03:43.52 | mwilson | Bac9: "triggers"? |
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| 03:44.19 | caphuso | rking: as hard as for any other package |
| 03:44.32 | rking | caphuso: is that pretty hard? |
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| 03:44.36 | mwilson | Bac9: it's really just another instance of how Gnome broke GTK when they took it over. |
| 03:44.48 | netman1 | metaperl : dselect update ; dpkg -l '*mesa*' |
| 03:45.09 | metaperl | netman1: thanks |
| 03:45.10 | Bac9 | mwilson: I can't find "triggers" keyword in any gtk config, in ~/ or /etc/ |
| 03:45.10 | caphuso | rking: depends on who you ask. it's a quite involved and probably lengthy process |
| 03:45.28 | mwilson | Bac9: Who told you to seatch for "triggers"? |
| 03:45.36 | Bac9 | mwilson: as far as gnome, I am not using that, so I don't know if that makes any difference |
| 03:45.48 | Bac9 | mwilson: <mwilson> Bac9: "triggers"? |
| 03:45.56 | caphuso | rking: you can probably do some work on http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-perl/ before becoming a real maintainer |
| 03:46.00 | Bac9 | mwilson: that's how I interpreted that |
| 03:46.10 | mwilson | [20:41] <Bac9> mwilson: maybe you can point me to the option that triggers it? |
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| 03:46.31 | rking | caphuso: oh, wow, i didn't know about this... awesome |
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| 03:46.44 | Bac9 | mwilson: oh, woops, I meant what option sets what iconset is to be used, if there is even such an option |
| 03:46.57 | mwilson | Bac9: It's not hard to find via Google... read: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2004-May/msg00010.html |
| 03:46.58 | fugitboy | anyone every use theplanet hosting?> |
| 03:47.04 | wweasel | Hi, I have Debian dual booted with Win 2k, NTFS formatted. I'd like to be able to read the Win 2k hard drive, is that possible? |
| 03:47.16 | caphuso | wweasel: /msg dpkg ro-ntfs |
| 03:47.28 | n-vortex | tell me why the eclipse is not in the debian repository? |
| 03:47.30 | Bac9 | mwilson: thanx, I'll read it |
| 03:47.43 | mwilson | n-vortex: Someone didn't feel like maintaining it? |
| 03:49.03 | furrywolf | http://www.paypalsucks.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=8878&fid=12&block=0 hehehehehe... |
| 03:49.08 | wweasel | caphuso, i really am a noob, the response doesn't make much sense to me. |
| 03:49.12 | n-vortex | it is really nobody dont need it in debian? |
| 03:49.23 | mwilson | n-vortex: Did anyone say that? |
| 03:49.24 | gravity | n-vortex: It is |
| 03:49.30 | n-vortex | :) |
| 03:49.41 | Miazmatic | i just added two SATA drives to my system via a PCI card, and even though GRUB is installed and booting from an IDE drive, for some reason it hangs whenever SATA drives are present. Lilo says something about identical volume IDs. ideas? |
| 03:49.51 | n-vortex | mwilson: then why? |
| 03:50.03 | gravity | It's in Debian. |
| 03:50.10 | n-vortex | i know |
| 03:50.28 | n-vortex | aa |
| 03:50.32 | n-vortex | where? |
| 03:50.37 | mwilson | n-vortex: Applications aren't packaged for Debian according to some sort of schedule. They're packaged because someone finds them useful and wants to maintain them. |
| 03:50.48 | n-vortex | I didnt seen it |
| 03:50.58 | mwilson | n-vortex: As for Eclipse, actually bothering to check for yourself would point out that it IS packaged. |
| 03:51.21 | gravity | n-vortex: unstable |
| 03:51.48 | n-vortex | i was thinking it is a problem with license |
| 03:51.53 | gravity | No, that was taken care of |
| 03:52.13 | michal_ | anyone know of any better visual regexp utility than visual-regexp ? |
| 03:52.33 | vinux2 | hey all I have a question. What is the name of the pkg for the alsa modules? |
| 03:52.38 | mwilson | n-vortex: Do you use stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 03:52.48 | mwilson | vinux2: man apt-cache |
| 03:52.50 | metaperl | hello, how can I force re-install of xlibmesa-gl? it is installed, but certain library files were diverted to unusable names by nvidia-glx. I removed nvidia-glx and want the xlibmesa-gl files to install without diversion |
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| 03:53.01 | n-vortex | mwilson: i use sarge |
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| 03:53.09 | n-vortex | old sarge |
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| 03:53.13 | vinux2 | mwilson, k |
| 03:53.15 | mwilson | metaperl: And removing nvidia-glx removed the diversion. |
| 03:53.16 | n-vortex | when it was testing |
| 03:53.25 | metaperl | mwilson: oh |
| 03:53.49 | wweasel | Would anyone help me please? I have Debian dual booted with Win2k, and I want to read the Win2k hard drive. How can I do that? |
| 03:54.22 | n-vortex | wweasel: what file system in win2k partition? |
| 03:54.26 | mwilson | I swear, it needs to be made harder to get testing and unstable. |
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| 03:54.41 | spoopin | wweasel: man mount |
| 03:54.42 | wweasel | n-vortex: NTFS. |
| 03:55.13 | wweasel | spoopin: just type "sudo man mount" into a terminal? |
| 03:55.28 | n-vortex | wweasel: it would some problems with ntfs |
| 03:55.43 | spoopin | wweasel: you shouldn't need sudo to read the manpage |
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| 03:56.31 | wweasel | hmm...ok. so is it possible to deal with the NTFS filesystem? |
| 03:56.44 | joeytwiddle | i don't think you can write to NTFS but you can read it |
| 03:56.46 | mwilson | wweasel: Is it possible for you to read? man mount |
| 03:56.47 | spoopin | wweasel: if you just want to read it, yes |
| 03:57.05 | n-vortex | wweasel: it is possible... but harder then with FAT |
| 03:57.15 | spoopin | wweasel: writing is trickier |
| 03:57.29 | wweasel | don;t need write. just read. |
| 03:57.31 | mwilson | n-vortex: Really. What makes you think it's harder than with FAT? |
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| 03:58.08 | michal_ | whaoh.. is this something new? WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 03:58.44 | joeytwiddle | wweasel: sudo mkdir /mnt/win2k ; sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win2k |
| 03:58.53 | n-vortex | mwilson: bekause I didnt seen normal drivers wich can write to NTFS partition |
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| 03:59.32 | spoopin | n-vortex: I write to an NTFS partition with mke2fs :) |
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| 03:59.51 | n-vortex | maybe... |
| 04:00.35 | n-vortex | NTFS must die whith microsoft |
| 04:01.34 | sydney | haalooooooooooo |
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| 04:02.10 | tabot2 | my cock best viewed @ 2048x1536 resolution |
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| 04:02.44 | netman1 | michael_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
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| 04:03.08 | wweasel | joeytwiddle: thanks so much ;) |
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| 04:03.17 | x2 | i would like to use FAT32 so i can access my files in windoze too, anyone against my idea? what should i do? |
| 04:03.20 | gravity | helix: Thanks |
| 04:03.25 | helix | np 4 u |
| 04:03.26 | ricosuave17 | whatis life |
| 04:03.29 | gravity | :-) |
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| 04:04.23 | n-vortex | x2: just configure /etc/fstab |
| 04:04.49 | netman1 | x2: stay native, boot each from it's own kind of filesystem and create a third that both can share. |
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| 04:05.45 | x2 | netman1: i have a 40gb drive slit in 2. 1 for debian, one for doze. TOday, i just bought a 200gb drive and wondering what fs i should make it |
| 04:05.51 | x2 | split ** |
| 04:06.02 | joeytwiddle | x2: netman1 is right; linux won't run off FAT32 very easily |
| 04:06.12 | x2 | i don't want to run linux on fat 32 |
| 04:06.26 | joeytwiddle | roger; at least 4 partition for you atm (including swap) |
| 04:06.54 | x2 | yeah |
| 04:07.00 | netman1 | x2: decide what's you main thing (debian or windows) and give each it's own disc. |
| 04:07.09 | n-vortex | x2: you wont to work with FAT32 partition under linux? |
| 04:07.15 | joeytwiddle | but i have a few more, so i can fiddle with gentoo and vmware etc. |
| 04:07.16 | xuxa | I am trying my hand at installing Debian (3.0 Sarge with new installer) and setting up RAID 1 in the process. I'm getting close but am stuck with the following error: "GRUB Loading Stage1.5. Grub loading, please wait... Error 15" |
| 04:07.22 | n-vortex | *want |
| 04:07.28 | x2 | no |
| 04:07.38 | x2 | i want a fs that linux and windoze can share |
| 04:08.00 | rking | strace -e trace=file is good |
| 04:08.01 | n-vortex | windoz can share only FAT and NTFS |
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| 04:08.36 | netman1 | xuxa: your hardware is probably to new for 3.0 (are you sure about the 0?) Try 3.1. |
| 04:08.49 | voidmasta | is ia64 the same as athlon 64? |
| 04:08.53 | x2 | in the standard kernel... can you write to NTFS partitions? |
| 04:09.03 | trave11er | voidmasta: no |
| 04:09.04 | spoopin | x2: no |
| 04:09.06 | exobyte | voidmasta: no |
| 04:09.08 | n-vortex | x2: no |
| 04:09.09 | exobyte | voidmasta: BIG NO |
| 04:09.09 | egg|quadcore | voidmasta, why not? |
| 04:09.09 | joeytwiddle | FAT32 is fine for sharing, linux cannot write to NTFS ATM |
| 04:09.09 | x2 | XD |
| 04:09.13 | n-vortex | :) |
| 04:09.22 | egg|quadcore | voidmasta, sse ... copy and paste |
| 04:09.26 | x2 | i thought there was a hack for it |
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| 04:09.50 | voidmasta | so it would appear from where I am at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ that debian has no athlon 64 release.. |
| 04:09.55 | spoopin | x2: I think there is, but not a reliable one |
| 04:09.56 | xuxa | netman1: aha... this isn't the newest netinstall disk... |
| 04:09.58 | n-vortex | x2: why you need NTFS? just use FAT |
| 04:09.59 | voidmasta | or am I horribly lost |
| 04:10.03 | spoopin | x2: hence, a hack |
| 04:10.09 | exobyte | voidmasta: hmmm |
| 04:10.15 | xuxa | netman1: my hardware is very old but if you think I'd have a better chance with 3.1, I'll try that |
| 04:10.16 | joeytwiddle | i heard you could write to a file on NTFS, but not change it's size; maybe your hack is newer than that tho |
| 04:10.16 | trave11er | voidmasta: there is a release, but it's not official |
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| 04:10.24 | voidmasta | ok. |
| 04:10.27 | voidmasta | thanks |
| 04:10.29 | x2 | and one last question, is there a "defragmentation" program that is used on fat32 drives in linux? |
| 04:10.35 | netman1 | xuxa: would recomend it anyway ;-) |
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| 04:10.44 | xuxa | netman1: gotcha. Thanks! |
| 04:10.45 | exobyte | voidmasta: oh- if you have 64 bit intel, it is probably amd64. very few people have ever used an ia64 machine |
| 04:10.45 | egg|quadcore | x2, why not? |
| 04:10.59 | x2 | why not what? |
| 04:11.11 | egg|quadcore | x2, do the same thing |
| 04:11.12 | joeytwiddle | I find win98 has problems with my FAT32, but winXP doesn't. i also often get Stale NFS filehandles on my FAT32 under Linux :| |
| 04:11.36 | egg|quadcore | x2, hehehehehehehe |
| 04:11.54 | furrywolf | anyone use yowcow and want me to sign up with their referral id? :) |
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| 04:12.20 | netman1 | joeytwiddle: you present your fat32 through NFS? What a heroe! |
| 04:12.32 | mwilson | fsck |
| 04:12.33 | wweasel | I am trying to mount my Win2k, NTFS partition so i can read it from Linux. However, I forget which partition is Windows. Is it safe to mount trial and error? |
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| 04:12.42 | joeytwiddle | netman1, no I don't, the errormsg is just old + unchanged i think |
| 04:12.46 | nornagon | is there any way to make cp show file progress? |
| 04:12.47 | mwilson | gods-be-damned stupid apt upgrades |
| 04:13.01 | n-vortex | x2: for linux it is the best ext3 and raiserfs |
| 04:13.09 | joeytwiddle | wweasel, should be ok, especially with readonly option: -o ro |
| 04:13.11 | nornagon | I'me copying big files across a slow network... it'd be nice if I could see how far along the file is and the speed it's going. |
| 04:13.21 | n-vortex | x2: they dont have fragmentation |
| 04:13.22 | nornagon | s/the file/each file/ |
| 04:13.24 | mangux | wweasel do as root fdisk -l |
| 04:13.26 | rking | i love the cascading effect of following "Recommended packages:" lines. =) is there a command-line way to say, "Yes, just get me whatever you recommend or suggest." |
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| 04:13.31 | joeytwiddle | wweasel, or you can fdisk /dev/hda then "p" then "q" to see how the partitions are marked |
| 04:13.40 | spoopin | wweasel: fdisk will tell you what the partitions are set as, just don't change anything or write on exit!! |
| 04:13.43 | x2 | n-vortex: i know. but i also want to share with windoze |
| 04:13.50 | x2 | thats why i can't make up my mind |
| 04:13.53 | mangux | with that command you can list your partitions |
| 04:14.06 | netman1 | nornagon: use du -sh / df -h on the target side. |
| 04:14.14 | joeytwiddle | yeah mangux's is shorter ! |
| 04:14.16 | mwilson | Hm... ok, I'm missing a key. |
| 04:14.18 | nornagon | netman1: *sigh* |
| 04:14.29 | netman1 | nornagon: ? |
| 04:14.30 | nornagon | netman1: no way to get a progress bar like wget? |
| 04:14.47 | netman1 | nornagon: hey, this ain't windows ;-) |
| 04:14.53 | mangux | :) |
| 04:14.56 | chemaja | people, people: debian.org/doc & tldp.org ---- spend some time there. |
| 04:14.56 | nornagon | netman1: 8-\ |
| 04:15.01 | mwilson | !find debian-archive.gpg |
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| 04:15.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'debian-archive.gpg' (1): (/usr/share/apt/debian-archive.gpg) in base/apt. |
| 04:15.40 | n-vortex | x2: i heared that total comander have a plugin for ext3 file system |
| 04:16.04 | mwilson | hrm |
| 04:16.12 | nornagon | du -h rounds wrong. |
| 04:16.24 | n-vortex | x2: installing linux on FAT32 it is bad idea |
| 04:16.30 | x2 | [#debian] |
| 04:16.31 | TwistedEmotions | Is it suppose to talk like 2 hours to change a .avi file to DVD Format (mpeg - I think..) |
| 04:16.32 | wweasel | Thanks so much guys. |
| 04:16.41 | x2 | n-vortex: im not installing linux on fat32 |
| 04:16.47 | x2 | n-vortex: i already have it installed |
| 04:16.47 | netman1 | nornagon: it uses fuzzy logic ;-) |
| 04:16.55 | x2 | n-vortex: im using it now |
| 04:17.02 | n-vortex | x2: aaaa |
| 04:17.09 | n-vortex | x2: sorry |
| 04:17.10 | egg|quadcore | bbbb |
| 04:17.11 | caphuso | damnit... has sudo completion ever worked in bash? |
| 04:17.13 | x2 | n-vortex: thats okay |
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| 04:17.24 | TwistedEmotions | caphuso: works for me.. |
| 04:17.28 | x2 | cccc |
| 04:17.34 | egg|quadcore | eeee |
| 04:17.41 | x2 | jjjj |
| 04:17.43 | egg|quadcore | where is dddd? |
| 04:17.46 | x2 | lol |
| 04:17.51 | voidmasta | decides to go with the i386 distro of debian. is chucking ubuntu |
| 04:17.57 | caphuso | TwistedEmotions: really? "sudo -<TAB>" doesn't complain about bad array subscripts? |
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| 04:18.15 | wweasel | joeytwiddle: i mounted it properly, but it's a locked folder. how do i change the privilages so i can access it from user |
| 04:18.35 | caphuso | TwistedEmotions: and "sudo dd if<TAB>" doesn't expand to "if\= "? |
| 04:18.47 | joeytwiddle | wweasel, chmod a+rx <folder> ? |
| 04:18.52 | mwilson | Ok, apt instaled debian-archive.gpg... can it not authenticate because the packages aren't signed, or because unstable is fscked again? |
| 04:19.01 | deadcat | !folder |
| 04:19.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
| 04:19.10 | TwistedEmotions | caphuso: Well...no.. in both cases doesnt so shit ;) |
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| 04:19.31 | TwistedEmotions | *do |
| 04:20.26 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: did you get a new splashy theme? or just the default? |
| 04:20.49 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: default... ahah... didnt actually care that much after I got it.. |
| 04:20.56 | deadcat | true |
| 04:20.59 | joeytwiddle | wweasel, actually that mightn't be possible for NTFS; maybe you can read it as root? |
| 04:21.05 | caphuso | ah, the latter isn't actually a problem with the sudo completion, it's broken for plain dd too |
| 04:21.15 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: actually kinda annoying since you cant see bootup.. wish I could blend it or whatever.. |
| 04:21.18 | x2 | fsck it. im gonna make my 200gb drive ext3. fuck windoze. |
| 04:21.34 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahah. ya. |
| 04:21.49 | deadcat | x2: whats stoping ya? stop being a bitch and do it |
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| 04:21.54 | joeytwiddle | x2, if you split it into a few partitions, you can always change your mind later ;) |
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| 04:22.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: truth be told I dont get it... getting images to show should be the hard part... not fucking showing text in foreground... grrrr |
| 04:22.18 | Ack1 | hi, how do i unrar a set of *.r0* files?? |
| 04:22.32 | v_2 | has anyone managed to get a syba/moschip usb-to-serial adapter working with the free usbserial drivers? |
| 04:22.34 | joeytwiddle | just unrar the first one |
| 04:22.35 | deadcat | Ack1: rar or unrar |
| 04:22.40 | mwilson | Ack1: Can't your little pirate buddies help you? |
| 04:22.44 | nornagon | heh. |
| 04:22.48 | Ack1 | lol |
| 04:22.54 | deadcat | mwilson: thats fucked up! (= |
| 04:23.02 | TwistedEmotions | Ack1: unrar e filename.rar or .r01 |
| 04:23.05 | furrywolf | Ack1: unrar e nameoffirstfile.rar |
| 04:23.15 | Ack1 | k |
| 04:23.16 | x2 | deadcat: lots of things are fucked up |
| 04:23.25 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: I did help him... weeeee ;) |
| 04:23.26 | deadcat | x2: bitch please. |
| 04:23.37 | joeytwiddle | heh |
| 04:23.40 | deadcat | mwilson: maybe he has some sort of linux iso's in .rar format |
| 04:23.44 | x2 | deadcat: =] |
| 04:23.45 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I got a 0 for the interview of you ;( |
| 04:23.59 | deadcat | x2: (= make sure you use -m 0% on the 200gig |
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| 04:24.05 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: didnt know you cant interview someone you know... I said you were my boss ;( |
| 04:24.09 | wweasel | joeytwiddle: you're great. i really apprcieate the help. one last thing. i can open it from a root terminal...any way i can open it in a gui without logging in as root? |
| 04:24.16 | x2 | deadcat: will do. heh. |
| 04:24.28 | furrywolf | TwistedEmotions: that's what you get for completely altering what I said. :P |
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| 04:24.39 | joeytwiddle | i booted windows the other day after years without it. but i had a partition marked as FAT16 which I'd actually been using for ext3. First thing windows did was trash that ext partition with scandisk. :| |
| 04:24.53 | caphuso | hahaha |
| 04:24.56 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I'm sorry... I was just afraid you were scare the children with the wolf talk.. |
| 04:25.00 | TwistedEmotions | *would |
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| 04:25.48 | Phated | Doesn't mean you can't scare them. |
| 04:25.56 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: jackson style? (= |
| 04:25.58 | TwistedEmotions | or eat em. |
| 04:25.58 | egg|quadcore | ? |
| 04:26.03 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: your evil. |
| 04:26.06 | deadcat | hahah |
| 04:26.08 | egg|quadcore | -_- |
| 04:26.21 | TwistedEmotions | I eatem... you tramaticise them... |
| 04:26.29 | TwistedEmotions | your worse.. |
| 04:26.34 | deadcat | hahah. let me ask my friend to take a pic of my badge. (= |
| 04:26.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Errrr? Why? |
| 04:26.54 | mwilson | fsck... why don't I have the older python-apt in cache... |
| 04:26.55 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hella funny |
| 04:26.59 | egg|quadcore | Errrrr |
| 04:27.02 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: did you put a funny name ? You jackass... |
| 04:27.03 | deadcat | mwilson: i dont know |
| 04:27.12 | Ack1 | eeeh, guys. i use konquer and double click the first file. util unrar is not in youre path. then i do unrar in consol window, and i dont have unrar.. :( |
| 04:27.18 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: real name since they check id but job title |
| 04:27.31 | Ack1 | my kpackage doesnt contains unrar.. :( |
| 04:27.40 | Ack1 | i hate beein a noob. |
| 04:27.43 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Ohhhhh... lets see it.. |
| 04:27.44 | mwilson | deadcat: I'm not up to debugging another poorly planned transition in unstable this month... time to head over to s.d.n. |
| 04:27.44 | huleo65 | hello how dow i make totem play mpeg can someone help please |
| 04:27.47 | deadcat | Ack1: your package? |
| 04:27.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i have to wait for him to reply and take the pic first. |
| 04:28.09 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I see I see.. |
| 04:28.25 | deadcat | huleo65: totem blah.mpg |
| 04:28.41 | Ack1 | kpackage |
| 04:28.46 | huleo65 | what should i use?????????? |
| 04:28.55 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. canon camcorder for $219 )= too bad i am flat broke |
| 04:29.07 | deadcat | huleo65: totem. |
| 04:29.30 | egg|quadcore | deadcat, cheap enough |
| 04:29.34 | Ack1 | first time using kpackage. but it was there i just have to install it. sry bout that |
| 04:29.52 | huleo65 | the dam thing dont work for shit |
| 04:29.53 | deadcat | egg|quadcore: ya. if i have $$. but i am flat broke... |
| 04:29.54 | egg|quadcore | deadcat, I don't pay eyes on it. |
| 04:30.01 | v_2 | has anyone managed to get a syba/moschip usb-to-serial adapter working with the free usbserial drivers? |
| 04:30.18 | egg|quadcore | deadcat, just search the trash can |
| 04:30.47 | nite613 | Ack1: Try this dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=10000 |
| 04:30.53 | nite613 | sry I |
| 04:30.54 | egg|quadcore | O_O |
| 04:30.59 | deadcat | egg|quadcore: wish $ is that easy. |
| 04:31.01 | nite613 | drunk |
| 04:31.10 | rking | does anyone know how to keep vim from stomping on the text above it when run? every time i go into the scrollback it has removed a screenful |
| 04:31.16 | nite613 | try XP |
| 04:31.33 | nornagon | Woo |
| 04:31.43 | nornagon | I made myself a monitor thing for filesize :P |
| 04:32.57 | deadcat | what gnome version is in sarge? testing? |
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| 04:34.33 | unome | off topic but I have to ask, what was the last Linux book you read? |
| 04:34.52 | deadcat | unome: linux for dummies |
| 04:34.52 | mangux | deadcat 2.8 |
| 04:35.09 | unome | deadcat: hehe |
| 04:35.11 | egg|quadcore | unome, free google book |
| 04:35.17 | deadcat | mangux: thanks for the comfirmation. is that for sarge and etch too right? |
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| 04:36.02 | egg|quadcore | unome, oil cut |
| 04:36.05 | wweasel | guys, question: I have mounted a win2k NTFS drive, now the owner is root, but i want to access it from my user. how? |
| 04:36.29 | furrywolf | !user ntfs |
| 04:36.33 | stouset | wweasel: in fstab, add the "users" and "umask=0222" option |
| 04:36.36 | furrywolf | !listkeys fat32 |
| 04:36.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'fat32' by key (2): fat32 ;; user accessible fat32. |
| 04:36.39 | x2 | when i select linux on the fdisk menu, will that make my drive ext3? |
| 04:36.45 | furrywolf | !user accessible fat32 |
| 04:36.45 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mounts; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field |
| 04:36.56 | caphuso | x2: fdisk doesn't create filesystems |
| 04:37.10 | wweasel | I am a newbie, that doesn't make much sense to me |
| 04:37.20 | x2 | caphuso: it creates partition types |
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| 04:37.24 | caphuso | x2: yes |
| 04:37.29 | x2 | caphuso: so how do i select ext3? |
| 04:37.30 | deadcat | x2: fdisk, then mkfs |
| 04:37.38 | x2 | righty, thanks |
| 04:37.42 | egg|quadcore | ... |
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| 04:37.55 | unome | x2, second hd? |
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| 04:37.59 | x2 | yes |
| 04:38.05 | unome | good luck :) |
| 04:38.07 | wweasel | stouset, i am sure you are right, but i don't know what you mean. what do I do? |
| 04:38.13 | stouset | wweasel: Edit /etc/fstab. Where it has a bunch of options on the Windows partition, add "user" and "umask=0222". Make sure everything is separated by commas. |
| 04:38.22 | stouset | wweasel: Then umount the filesystem and mount it. |
| 04:39.23 | wweasel | what's the command to unmount? |
| 04:39.28 | unome | umount |
| 04:39.35 | wweasel | lol, ok |
| 04:39.41 | wweasel | thanks stouset :D |
| 04:39.49 | stouset | wweasel: No probelm. |
| 04:39.52 | stouset | problem* |
| 04:39.53 | stouset | Oh. |
| 04:40.03 | stouset | wweasel: You also may want to add "noauto", and mount it as the user that needs it. |
| 04:40.10 | joeytwiddle | i know it's time for bed... when i updatedb is running |
| 04:40.20 | stouset | joeytwiddle: slow hard drive? |
| 04:40.38 | mwilson | Ah, there, apt downgraded again. |
| 04:40.43 | joeytwiddle | stouset, yeah lots of HD ops bring my machine to a grind :| |
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| 04:40.54 | joeytwiddle | s/lots of/any/ |
| 04:41.19 | liable | mwilson: was broken? |
| 04:42.01 | stouset | joeytwiddle: Sorry :-) |
| 04:42.10 | wweasel | stouset, i opened /etc/fstab, and i don't see the windows partition. |
| 04:42.29 | mwilson | liable: I don't have time or interest at the moment in figuring out what's wrong/broken in the latest apt transition in unstable. So I undid it. |
| 04:43.02 | x2 | how can i make the tty console fonts smaller? svgatextmode doesn't work for me.. |
| 04:43.22 | stouset | wweasel: How did you mount it in the first place then? |
| 04:43.26 | wweasel | yes |
| 04:43.30 | stouset | How. |
| 04:43.35 | deadcat | x2: you mean like framebuffer? |
| 04:43.41 | joeytwiddle | stouset, i optimised space/cost, so ... ;) |
| 04:43.52 | x2 | deadcat: i dunno what i mean. the text is huge |
| 04:44.04 | x2 | just want to make it a little bit smaller |
| 04:44.14 | deadcat | x2: edit your loader config file. add vga=791 to the kernel option line. |
| 04:44.17 | wweasel | stouset, i did: mkdir /mnt/win2000 ; sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/win2000 |
| 04:44.30 | x2 | deadcat: thanks |
| 04:44.30 | joeytwiddle | x2, i use deadcat's method too |
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| 04:45.02 | deadcat | x2: if you using grub. edit menu.lst, search for kopt=, add vga=791 to the end of the line. DONT uncomment the line. save then run update-grub |
| 04:45.15 | x2 | okay, thanks |
| 04:45.36 | wweasel | stouset, did i do something wrong in mounting it? |
| 04:47.09 | wweasel | anyone else? |
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| 04:49.38 | wweasel | anyone able to help? |
| 04:50.19 | nvz | damn monitor |
| 04:50.19 | rking | wweasel: can you restate your problem for me, please? |
| 04:50.28 | stouset | wweasel: Oh. |
| 04:50.28 | voidmasta | mount /dev/hdc1 -t "partitiontype" /mnt/win2000 |
| 04:50.43 | stouset | wweasel: If you put that into /etc/fstab, you don't have to type the whole thing out. |
| 04:50.44 | nvz | I came in and the monitor was in powersaving mode, now after waking it up I got a damn S on my screen :P |
| 04:50.53 | stouset | wweasel: Just "mount /mnt/win2000" |
| 04:51.10 | stouset | Put this line into your /etc/fstab |
| 04:51.21 | wweasel | ok |
| 04:51.31 | x2 | also, what options should i set on a secondary ext3 disk in fstab? |
| 04:51.31 | rking | stouset++ |
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| 04:52.01 | stouset | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.10 | runedude | hi, do you all know the module for cdwriters? |
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| 04:52.25 | wweasel | stouset, writing that will let me access the partition from user? |
| 04:52.27 | deadcat | runedude: what the f? |
| 04:52.28 | stouset | runedude: There isn't one, now. |
| 04:52.33 | runedude | oh :( |
| 04:52.34 | runedude | shoot |
| 04:52.37 | runedude | deadcat: yes? |
| 04:52.40 | stouset | wweasel: Yes, just type "mount /mnt/win2000" |
| 04:52.43 | deadcat | runedude: no |
| 04:52.47 | stouset | wweasel: As that user. |
| 04:52.50 | runedude | deadcat: what was that comment for? |
| 04:52.56 | deadcat | runedude: for what>? |
| 04:52.57 | stouset | runedude: Why shoot? It's not necessary any more. |
| 04:53.16 | runedude | stouset: i need it 'modprobe cdwriter' thing.. My cdwriter wont work :( |
| 04:53.36 | deadcat | runedude: there aint no cdwriter module |
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| 04:53.43 | runedude | oh.. how can I set it up then? |
| 04:54.12 | deadcat | runedude: cdrecord -scanbus maybe |
| 04:54.16 | runedude | ty mate |
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| 04:55.46 | runedude | well, if i do that, it says Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver |
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| 05:08.12 | litage__ | when people say "free as in beer" when referring to FOSS, what exactly do they mean? |
| 05:08.16 | wweasel | what's the command to unmount? |
| 05:08.24 | wweasel | they mean it costs nothing. no $$$ |
| 05:08.32 | litage__ | wweasel: umount |
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| 05:08.48 | chealer | they mean free as in free beer |
| 05:08.53 | litage__ | wweasel: but beer costs money.. |
| 05:08.57 | chealer | gratis |
| 05:09.06 | deadcat | why is it always free beer. not free drugs |
| 05:09.10 | litage__ | chealer: when is beer ever free? |
| 05:09.11 | liable | where do I get this free beer of which they speak? |
| 05:09.15 | ricosuave17 | lol |
| 05:09.23 | ricosuave17 | in heaven |
| 05:09.30 | chealer | hehe |
| 05:09.37 | wweasel | FOSS is free as in freedoms. When it is free as in beer, it means beer doesn't have more freedoms (arguable), but free beer is nice. |
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| 05:09.54 | ricosuave17 | lol |
| 05:09.57 | belracu | beer freee wwwooooow cool where is it .... we all can migrate to that land |
| 05:10.12 | belracu | LOL heaven |
| 05:10.36 | chealer | if you dedicate yourself to FOSS development, you get heaven, and then free beer |
| 05:10.39 | belracu | its easy to get free gal but not beer |
| 05:10.44 | chealer | it's as simple as that |
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| 05:10.53 | ricosuave17 | lol |
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| 05:11.11 | belracu | thats true .... |
| 05:11.26 | belracu | my work place have about 200 users |
| 05:11.59 | belracu | and i am the only one to use linux ... |
| 05:12.00 | spencerk | my install keeps freezing, could it be because my computer sucks? its on 'low memory mode' |
| 05:12.02 | wweasel | Free beer? How about the google cafeteria? |
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| 05:12.16 | ricosuave17 | lol |
| 05:12.19 | belracu | spencerk, depends on many things |
| 05:12.25 | ricosuave17 | goold should have a cafeteria |
| 05:12.33 | belracu | spencerk, can u give some more details |
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| 05:13.18 | belracu | lol no wonder if they come off with a google beer |
| 05:13.44 | belracu | we can see adds like ... "Google beer better then Duff" |
| 05:14.11 | ricosuave17 | lol |
| 05:14.15 | spencerk | belracu, yes. old toshiba laptop 'satellite'. gets stuck early in instillation, umm i forget the stage, something like loading cdrom drivers. i also tried knoppix and ubuntu live cds and they did pretty much the same thing |
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| 05:14.29 | litage__ | s/Hole/Holy/ |
| 05:14.54 | spencerk | i thought the deb install had like no system requirements, like dont people install it on pdas and stuff |
| 05:15.26 | ricosuave17 | hey people is it true that people that use debian tend to drink? |
| 05:15.29 | jla | spencerk: pda's have a different distro based on debian |
| 05:15.41 | spencerk | oh |
| 05:15.41 | rking | !beer ricosuave17 |
| 05:16.00 | ricosuave17 | lol |
| 05:16.02 | chemaja | ricosuave17: it's true. i've had two bottles of water already today |
| 05:16.11 | ricosuave17 | alcohol |
| 05:16.18 | ricosuave17 | if they do |
| 05:16.23 | ricosuave17 | then im changeing to debian |
| 05:16.39 | spencerk | belracu, are you still here? |
| 05:16.41 | belracu | spencerk, how much memory do u have |
| 05:16.46 | spencerk | 30 mbs |
| 05:17.01 | belracu | spencerk, yes ... wooo 30 MB ok |
| 05:17.09 | spencerk | oh shoot |
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| 05:17.30 | belracu | spencerk, ok may be try slackware ... |
| 05:17.35 | liable | 30Mgs should be ok. |
| 05:17.39 | spencerk | would setting up swap help ? |
| 05:17.57 | x2 | i hope this works deadcat. brb |
| 05:17.59 | liable | spencerk: you just need to get past the install problem |
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| 05:18.16 | belracu | 30 megs is ok .. for text based installation like debian or ... similar destros |
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| 05:18.41 | spencerk | it installed win98 on 30m no prob |
| 05:18.51 | belracu | spencerk, u need to access the HDD before u setup the swap |
| 05:19.05 | liable | spencerk: does it have an nic? |
| 05:19.15 | spencerk | umm, yes, not set up yet though |
| 05:19.27 | spencerk | what were u thinking?: |
| 05:19.33 | liable | spencerk: so you are booting from floppy? |
| 05:19.40 | spencerk | not now, should i? |
| 05:20.19 | liable | actually, try #debian-boot |
| 05:20.30 | spencerk | ok |
| 05:20.55 | werdnaxoc | can you install a debian on an external harddrive and use it on any computer? |
| 05:21.12 | spencerk | what do you think i should do? if i set up swap with a third party partitioning would that help my ram problem do you think? |
| 05:21.13 | werdnaxoc | like boot up with the External HDD |
| 05:21.23 | belracu | or if u are using other distro s then u can switch to a differnet console once the kernel and initrd loads up and set the swap |
| 05:21.25 | liable | as long as the computer can boot to it, yes. |
| 05:21.34 | jla | werdnaxoc: within limits, if you can boot from that device and it's the same arch and supported by the kernel on it. |
| 05:21.46 | liable | spencerk: why do you think its a ram problem? |
| 05:22.08 | spencerk | i thought you were making fun of my 30 m |
| 05:22.15 | belracu | spencerk, which distro u want to try is the point ... as some distros come with some good tools |
| 05:22.26 | exobyte | if I have a hard drive that gets used for an hour every other day, is powering it down for all ~46 hours a good idea? Will power cycling that many times hurt it's life? |
| 05:22.37 | liable | spencerk: no, 30m SHOULD BE OK. |
| 05:22.38 | exobyte | moreso than being in a hot computer case |
| 05:22.42 | spencerk | ok thank you |
| 05:22.44 | Guerin | exobyte: sounds fine |
| 05:23.02 | belracu | some GUI installations simple give u a message that u dont have enough RAM |
| 05:23.05 | liable | woops, caps lock :P |
| 05:23.18 | werdnaxoc | jla, do you think if I partitioned the HDD so that it had /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 /dev/hda3 and each time I wanted to use it on different computers I kept /dev/hda1 as the / could I just install debian over the / and be able to access the other partitions? |
| 05:23.54 | exobyte | Guerin: they're designed for that, aren't they |
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| 05:23.59 | spencerk | werdnaxoc, that sounds like an amazing idea |
| 05:24.00 | Guerin | yeah. |
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| 05:24.01 | rking | you guys, i'm a ninja |
| 05:24.01 | jla | werdnaxoc: ya. are the other computers like powerpc & alpha & stuff, or all i386? |
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| 05:24.30 | Guerin | exobyte: one powercycle every 2 days isn't frequent - what's worse is every 5 minutes |
| 05:24.38 | werdnaxoc | jla, mostly going to be i386s |
| 05:24.41 | belracu | ninja is that some thing from chinaa |
| 05:24.45 | exobyte | Guerin: heh, that would be hard |
| 05:24.49 | dabreegster | Hey. There's some code I need to try out and it's written in qbasic. I don't feel like porting it to perl or something until I know it's worth it. I can't find a qbasic interpreter on sourceforge, freshmeat, or apt-cache search. Does one exist? |
| 05:24.52 | belracu | or is it some animal from africa |
| 05:24.57 | exobyte | Guerin: hard on it |
| 05:25.33 | jla | werdnaxoc: if they were all i386 and you had an i386 (along with a i686 & k6 (all i386 arch)) kernel you could boot them all with the i386 kernel. All your softwar would run without re-installing |
| 05:26.02 | Guerin | belracu: japan. |
| 05:26.04 | jla | dabreegster: no idea. Have you tried searching for qbasic on those sites? :P |
| 05:26.19 | dabreegster | jla: yes, no results. |
| 05:26.20 | jla | doh! |
| 05:26.29 | belracu | Ohh no Japan |
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| 05:26.44 | dabreegster | jla: plenty of basic interpreters, but yabasic and bwbasic choke on the program with unhelpful errors and I doubt the others would do much better |
| 05:26.46 | belracu | i love that place and chicks there but the food sucks |
| 05:27.03 | werdnaxoc | jla, well I am going to test it out and take my usb HDD to best buy :) |
| 05:27.16 | jla | dabreegster: I just googled qbasic on linux. the first hit was a question about running it in a dos emulator |
| 05:27.35 | rking | i'm working on a little i18n puzzle, here. a friend sent me an email in iso-2022-jp, and i've successfully iconv'd the body. But the subject, =?UTF-8?B?44GT44Gu44Gf44Gz44CB44G744KT44Go44GrSVNPLTIwMjItSlA=?=[Newline] =?UTF-8?B?44Gr44Gg44KI77yB?= is beating me - qp-decode didn't like the ='s, i don't think |
| 05:27.38 | jla | werdnaxoc: good luck :) |
| 05:27.43 | dabreegster | jla: I'm not too eager about running an emulator just for this. |
| 05:28.06 | dabreegster | jla: anyway, I was just about to google |
| 05:28.09 | ethics | dosbox is small and quick... |
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| 05:28.21 | jla | dabreegster: cool. I hope you find something |
| 05:28.22 | ethics | its zero setup too |
| 05:28.28 | dabreegster | I'll try it. |
| 05:28.58 | danka | howdy, y'all |
| 05:29.45 | danka | I need to understand what I have to do to get sound to work with my fresh install of Sarge on an x86 |
| 05:29.59 | danka | What are the steps to set up ALSA? |
| 05:30.12 | belracu | danka, first is the kernel |
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| 05:30.31 | liable | danka: get a 2.6 kernel, install alsa-base, boot the 2.6, run alsaconf. |
| 05:30.57 | danka | what is the kernel that ships with netinst? |
| 05:31.16 | liable | danka: type 'uname -r' |
| 05:31.21 | danka | right |
| 05:31.35 | ethics | depends which option you installed with |
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| 05:32.09 | liable | danka: I meant, in a shell, type... uname -r |
| 05:32.50 | x2 | how do i copy over a folder and all its contents exactly the way it is, over to another drive? |
| 05:33.06 | belracu | man cp |
| 05:33.16 | belracu | cp -a that will work |
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| 05:33.33 | danka | a general comment for everyone is that Sarge is much friendlier for desktop use than previous releases. Whoever did the XFree86 4.x package did a really good job |
| 05:33.40 | x2 | belracu: archive? |
| 05:34.00 | belracu | x2, archive ? |
| 05:34.08 | x2 | -a, --archive |
| 05:34.22 | x2 | same as -dpR |
| 05:34.30 | belracu | x2, do u want to mirror a folder at different location or u want to archive it |
| 05:34.46 | belracu | x2, .....dont be lazeeeeeee do man cp |
| 05:34.47 | x2 | belracu: mirror it |
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| 05:35.13 | Guerin | archive doesn't archive anything, in the tar sense of the word |
| 05:35.23 | Guerin | it just makes an exact copy, with all metadata |
| 05:35.30 | belracu | x2, cp -dpR |
| 05:35.31 | x2 | okay |
| 05:35.40 | Guerin | no |
| 05:35.41 | Guerin | -a |
| 05:35.57 | belracu | dpR is same as -a |
| 05:36.15 | Guerin | belracu: you're either confusing him or yourself. |
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| 05:37.03 | belracu | Guerin, man cp |
| 05:37.40 | Guerin | belracu: i know what man cp does. Until your 'mirror or archive' question I thought you did too. |
| 05:37.47 | Guerin | s/does/says/ |
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| 05:38.13 | marccd | what does (DUP) mean when i ping to my broadcast ip? |
| 05:38.19 | belracu | cool no time to fight ... ur great accepted ... get back to linux |
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| 05:38.55 | bucky | !irritate belracu |
| 05:38.56 | dpkg | belracu: hi every1 how does I run teh quake3 ????? |
| 05:39.16 | Guerin | Ur truly was a great civilisation. |
| 05:40.00 | belracu | dpkg, never played quake |
| 05:40.24 | jla | :) |
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| 05:41.02 | danka | these days, when one installs a kernel, is it necessary to recompile, or is the package kernel-image-2.6-xxx good enough? |
| 05:41.18 | marccd | what does (DUP) mean when i ping to my broadcast ip? |
| 05:41.24 | x2 | the kernel image is good enough |
| 05:41.28 | cyc | re |
| 05:41.38 | danka | x2: do I need to run liloconf or something? |
| 05:41.53 | x2 | danka: not sure. i use grub |
| 05:41.55 | cyc | is now a postfix-mysql user here? :) |
| 05:42.00 | x2 | yes |
| 05:42.09 | Guerin | cyc: #postfix |
| 05:42.23 | cyc | Guerin tried that already ... :\ |
| 05:42.24 | danka | x2: oh, grub is the new bootloader! yeah, cool. |
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| 05:42.39 | Guerin | cyc: try it some more. |
| 05:43.07 | cyc | Guerin I'm afraid it's more of debian sarge amd64 problem ... :) |
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| 05:43.16 | SoCkY[Deb] | someone knows why I cant install glib using apt-get?=\ |
| 05:43.49 | deadcat | glibc? |
| 05:43.52 | deadcat | libc6? |
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| 05:44.40 | Guerin | cyc: why? |
| 05:45.15 | danka | what are the steps in installing a new kernel these days now that sarge has good kernel image packages and that grub is the bootloader (as opposed to recompiling the kernel and running liloconf...) ??? |
| 05:45.42 | Guerin | danka: aptitude install kernel-image-you-want ; done |
| 05:45.44 | naoliv | What do I have to do to tell pbuilder to not get the non-US mirror? I already commented NONUSMIRRORSITE= of /etc/pbuilderrc, but doing a "pbuilder update" it tries to reach the non-US server. |
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| 05:45.58 | danka | and what is aptitude? that's new! |
| 05:46.14 | jla | danka: you could apt-get it too, but aptitude's a bit nicer usually |
| 05:46.23 | Guerin | danka: /msg dpkg aptitude |
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| 05:46.42 | Guerin | naoliv: non-us is no more. |
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| 05:46.57 | cyc | Guerin it is strange because in mail.err I get errors asking me if I have postfix-mysql package installed - and it is installed, and that dict_mysql.so is listed in dynamicmaps.cf |
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| 05:47.12 | naoliv | Guerin: I know this. But pbuilder is trying to get non-US and I whant to it stop doing this. |
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| 05:47.32 | Guerin | naoliv: put a standard mirror in as a non-us mirror; done. |
| 05:47.42 | naoliv | Guerin: I will test. |
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| 05:47.58 | zulkifar | Hi, anybody knows how is there a pppd's option which controls how long 'ppp0' device be not unregistered after physical link is broken? |
| 05:48.01 | Guerin | cyc: what specific errors? |
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| 05:48.06 | zulkifar | s/how/ |
| 05:48.38 | danka | hurrah for debian developers! sarge is so much better than its predecessors! |
| 05:48.51 | zulkifar | danka: woody was fine too |
| 05:49.12 | ricosuave17 | danka bitten |
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| 05:49.33 | naoliv | Guerin: Don't work. pbuilder tries to reach the directory sid/non-US/main of the mirror, and it fails. |
| 05:49.53 | Guerin | naoliv: so it's just not honouring that config variable? |
| 05:49.56 | danka | woody was okay. by the time I got around to it, much of it was stale. my biggest complaint was about XFree86 4. Actually, woody and everyone before that was fine |
| 05:49.57 | cyc | Jul 1 19:33:19 localhost postfix/qmgr[15174]: fatal: dict_open: unsupported dic |
| 05:49.57 | cyc | tionary type: mysql: Is the postfix-mysql package installed? |
| 05:50.03 | cyc | this one for instance :) |
| 05:50.12 | danka | just took a lot more work to maintain and use |
| 05:50.22 | Guerin | cyc: no idea. |
| 05:50.59 | ricosuave17 | lol |
| 05:51.10 | cyc | nostromo:/home/cyc# dpkg -l|grep postfix-mysql |
| 05:51.10 | cyc | ii postfix-mysql 2.1.5-9 MYSQL map support for Postfix |
| 05:51.10 | cyc | nostromo:/home/cyc# postconf -m | grep mysql |
| 05:51.10 | cyc | mysql |
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| 05:51.17 | cyc | nice indeed :\ |
| 05:51.22 | Guerin | you fucking idiot |
| 05:51.31 | naoliv | Guerin: Yes... it's looking like pbuilder isn't reading the global config file. |
| 05:51.33 | cyc | sorry. |
| 05:51.41 | danka | okay, I'll brb.. rebooting... |
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| 05:52.09 | Guerin | naoliv: does it have a --config-file=/foo/bar option you can call it with? otherwise strace it and see what it IS reading... maybe a dotfile in a homedir. |
| 05:52.09 | rking | zulkifar: same here! same year and everything |
| 05:52.26 | naoliv | Guerin: Right. I will see that. |
| 05:54.33 | x2 | deadcat told me to put vga=blah line in my menu.lst file, and that worked wonderfully. im now wondering if its possible to use pictures in the console. Like in the bitchx cypress script. lines instead of funny characters |
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| 05:56.25 | danka | hi again |
| 05:56.30 | x2 | g'day |
| 05:56.35 | kadigibox | hi danka |
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| 05:57.11 | danka | that was superb (fastest kernel change in ten years). let's see if alsa is happier now. |
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| 05:57.33 | danka | hurrah for grub! I might even send FSF some money this time! |
| 05:58.47 | jla | danka: it is all getting better. :) have fun. |
| 05:58.52 | danka | now what was it I had to do? alsactl? |
| 05:59.00 | marccd | exit |
| 06:00.32 | Guerin | danka: alsaconf |
| 06:00.46 | Guerin | danka: if it doesn't work, just probe your card's module manually. |
| 06:01.22 | danka | oh my god, this might be the first time I've had sound working under debian. rawk! |
| 06:01.36 | Guerin | it's not rawket schience |
| 06:01.52 | defcon8 | Guerin, damn you |
| 06:02.02 | Guerin | defcon8: too late. |
| 06:02.08 | Guerin | already been done. |
| 06:03.17 | danka | Guerin: it used to be a lot harder. there were lots of options, and it could take a long time to do something simple like start a PPP connection or even find a serial device. When I first got Slackware, it took a full week playing with setserial to make my modem happy. It's a slow march of progress. I'm thrilled. |
| 06:04.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:04.32 | danka | brb |
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| 06:08.39 | danka | hey again |
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| 06:09.06 | danka | okay, so alsa found my soundcard just fine, but nothing is coming out of the speakers |
| 06:09.15 | danka | is there a good reference program to check stuff with? |
| 06:09.32 | Spritee | danka: what sort of stuff? |
| 06:09.37 | liable | danka: run alsamixer, and check the levels |
| 06:10.08 | danka | I ran alsamixer, and the levels are all set to 100, same with the gnu sound things |
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| 06:11.23 | danka | I need to give it some sound in a sure way so I know that I should be hearing something. |
| 06:11.45 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 06:11.45 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 06:11.58 | ricosuave17 | bitten : danka |
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| 06:12.53 | danka | which is dsp? |
| 06:13.05 | Guerin | ? |
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| 06:13.44 | danka | dpkg: that left me waiting for stdin, and exited normally with cntl-c. |
| 06:14.11 | Guerin | danka: then you did it wrong |
| 06:14.12 | vitriol | dpkg: why don't you answer the clue phone?? |
| 06:14.41 | vitriol | i think the setiathome package (in contrib) is messed up |
| 06:14.52 | danka | Guerin: in what sense? 'cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp' |
| 06:14.54 | vitriol | won't install due to a configuration setup problem |
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| 06:15.14 | liable | danka: are your oss modules also loaded? |
| 06:15.29 | Guerin | danka: /vmlinuz should be a symlink to a kernel. any other file would do. /dev/urandom is one |
| 06:15.33 | danka | liable: I don't know |
| 06:15.33 | liable | danka: if so, remove them. |
| 06:15.39 | danka | liable: how? |
| 06:15.47 | liable | lsmod |
| 06:15.59 | danka | ismod? |
| 06:16.01 | Miazmatic | does anyone know how to make GRUB ignore my SATA drives and just boot fromthe IDE ones? right now whenever SATA drives are connected it hangs at stage 1.5? i have already tried lots of things |
| 06:16.07 | danka | modprobe? |
| 06:16.09 | liable | no, lsmod |
| 06:16.20 | liable | will show loaded modules. |
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| 06:16.39 | vitriol | anybody know what the deal is with the setiathome package in contrib |
| 06:16.46 | Guerin | vitriol: ask the bts |
| 06:17.25 | danka | vitriol: okay, there are some oss mods here. how can I tell which are oss? do I need to modify some config file someplace so these aren't loaded in the future? |
| 06:18.06 | liable | all snd- are alsa, the others are oss |
| 06:18.58 | danka | so modprobe -r soundcore? |
| 06:19.10 | vitriol | danka: sorry all i ever do with sound is run alsaconf for my emu10k1 based card |
| 06:19.14 | vitriol | then *presto* it works |
| 06:19.15 | danka | the rest are prefaced with snd_ |
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| 06:19.25 | liable | no, not soundcore. |
| 06:19.36 | danka | liable: I didn't think so |
| 06:19.48 | danka | liable: so the rest are all snd_ something |
| 06:19.56 | vitriol | Guerin: eh? bts? |
| 06:20.01 | vitriol | Guerin: no such nick/channel |
| 06:20.14 | liable | well then you dont have any oss ones running. |
| 06:20.20 | danka | though there are things like snd_pcm_oss |
| 06:20.23 | Guerin | !topicsmite vitriol |
| 06:20.24 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon vitriol. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 06:20.30 | SoCkY[Deb] | sockx@debian:~/glibc-build$ ./configure |
| 06:20.30 | SoCkY[Deb] | configure: error: you must configure in a separate build directory |
| 06:20.32 | vitriol | *ouch*! |
| 06:20.34 | SoCkY[Deb] | what's wrong with this |
| 06:21.03 | danka | okay, so what else must I do? |
| 06:21.15 | danka | it's bedtime really, alas |
| 06:21.32 | danka | maybe come back to this some other time |
| 06:21.34 | danka | thanks for the help |
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| 06:21.57 | Miazmatic | does anyone know how to make GRUB ignore my SATA drives and just boot fromthe IDE ones? right now whenever SATA drives are connected it hangs at stage 1.5? i have already tried lots of things |
| 06:22.51 | vitriol | Miazmatic: when you are reading the grub documentation instead of manually plugging/unplugging disk drives, maybe you could turn off the SATA drives in BIOS till you figure it out |
| 06:23.00 | vitriol | i dunno, just seems easier |
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| 06:23.11 | United | how can i make it so only 70.154.75.34 and 10.0.0.2 can connect on port 22 otherwise it is dropped? (with iptables?) |
| 06:23.32 | Miazmatic | my bios doesn't do SATA |
| 06:23.39 | Miazmatic | it's an old PC, SATA is through a PCI card |
| 06:24.07 | vitriol | oohh |
| 06:24.27 | Miazmatic | and my system.map has the IDE drive in the right place, as hd0 |
| 06:24.32 | vitriol | Miazmatic: is it faster than ide even though it's going through pci? |
| 06:24.36 | Guerin | SoCkY[Deb]: don't build glibc |
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| 06:24.49 | SoCkY[Deb] | but I need it |
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| 06:24.59 | Guerin | you don't need to build it |
| 06:25.03 | SoCkY[Deb] | so? |
| 06:25.12 | SoCkY[Deb] | just make it? |
| 06:25.17 | Miazmatic | vitriol: yup, PCI is 1.5gigabits+ |
| 06:25.26 | Guerin | if you build it yourself, you will break your machine horribly and irreversibly |
| 06:25.31 | SoCkY[Deb] | .. |
| 06:25.39 | Guerin | SoCkY[Deb]: what version do you think you need, and why? |
| 06:25.42 | Miazmatic | unfortunately, my Debian box is not talking to its new shiny SATA HDs |
| 06:25.43 | liable | you have been warned :P |
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| 06:25.50 | Miazmatic | because stupid GRUB can't boot with them plugged in |
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| 06:26.05 | SoCkY[Deb] | debian:/home/sockx/pyxmms-2.04# python ./setup.py build |
| 06:26.05 | SoCkY[Deb] | sh: glib-config: command not found |
| 06:26.05 | SoCkY[Deb] | glib-config returned a non-zero exit status. Aborting. |
| 06:26.08 | SoCkY[Deb] | this is why |
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| 06:26.27 | Guerin | SoCkY[Deb]: you drooling moron. |
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| 06:26.33 | vitriol | Miazmatic: hope you get an answer/figure it out :) sorry i can't help you |
| 06:26.38 | SoCkY[Deb] | well thx for the help |
| 06:26.39 | SoCkY[Deb] | now fo |
| 06:26.41 | Miazmatic | appreciate the help |
| 06:27.07 | Guerin | SoCkY[Deb]: is glib the same as glibc? |
| 06:27.13 | SoCkY[Deb] | BLEH. |
| 06:27.25 | SoCkY[Deb] | =| |
| 06:27.30 | SoCkY[Deb] | so what Do I need to do |
| 06:27.40 | Guerin | what are you actually trying to do? |
| 06:27.44 | liable | read the readme? |
| 06:27.53 | SoCkY[Deb] | compiling some python script |
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| 06:27.56 | Guerin | pasting worthless errors into the channel doesn't explain you. |
| 06:28.21 | SoCkY[Deb] | pyxmms-2.04 actually |
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| 06:28.34 | Guerin | SoCkY[Deb]: 1) is said program already in debian? have you checked? Do you even know how to check? 2) what does the documentation for said program say you need to run it? |
| 06:29.02 | SoCkY[Deb] | I know i can get it thru apt-get |
| 06:29.04 | SoCkY[Deb] | that's for sure |
| 06:29.29 | Guerin | SoCkY[Deb]: so fucking get it, and be happy. |
| 06:29.31 | slackd00d | then why dont you....or see if glib-config is installed |
| 06:29.49 | Guerin | if the debian package needs it, it'll be brought in as a dependency |
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| 06:30.35 | SoCkY[Deb] | it wouldnt find glib-config neither |
| 06:31.04 | Guerin | SoCkY[Deb]: then you did something wrong. |
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| 06:31.11 | x2 | how can i change the permissions on a drive, to give users read and write privilages? |
| 06:31.22 | Guerin | SoCkY[Deb]: delete glibc and pyxmms source. use the debian stuff. |
| 06:31.29 | Guerin | x2: depends on the filesystem. |
| 06:31.35 | SoCkY[Deb] | what "debian stuff" |
| 06:31.36 | x2 | Guerin: ext3 |
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| 06:31.52 | Guerin | x2: chown -r |
| 06:31.58 | Guerin | SoCkY[Deb]: debian packages. |
| 06:32.05 | x2 | shouldn't i use fstab though? |
| 06:32.09 | Guerin | x2: no. |
| 06:32.25 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know the name of that package that displays stats on desktop for fluxbox? |
| 06:32.30 | x2 | what if i want to add stuff to that drive later? |
| 06:32.36 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what stats? |
| 06:32.40 | SoCkY[Deb] | yes |
| 06:32.40 | Guerin | x2: you can't give arbitrary permissions via a mount option on a real filesystem lie ext3. You need to change the ownership, etc. |
| 06:32.42 | SoCkY[Deb] | torsmo? |
| 06:32.49 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: that program that you had me install |
| 06:32.54 | TwistedEmotions | SoCkY[Deb]: yeah thanks. |
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| 06:33.00 | deadcat | torsmo, desklets |
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| 06:33.35 | gullyfoyle | gkrellm? |
| 06:33.53 | TwistedEmotions | torsmo.. |
| 06:34.01 | deadcat | ya. torsmo (= |
| 06:35.04 | Miazmatic | STUPID FUCKING IDIOTS CAN'T WRITE BOOTLOADERS FOR SHIT |
| 06:35.06 | Miazmatic | MY GOD |
| 06:35.07 | Miazmatic | goodnight |
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| 06:35.26 | TwistedEmotions | He seemed angry. |
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| 06:35.28 | gullyfoyle | boot this ---> |
| 06:35.43 | foobus | panties. bunched |
| 06:35.44 | nornagon | hmm |
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| 06:35.53 | nornagon | He should try writing a bootloader, methinks. |
| 06:35.57 | x2 | and also how can i give a user privilages, other than root, to use the "eject" command |
| 06:36.07 | x2 | or isn't that possible? |
| 06:36.14 | Guerin | x2: man sudo? |
| 06:36.22 | Guerin | x2: man sudoers? |
| 06:36.27 | foobus | group perms... |
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| 06:36.59 | x2 | thanks |
| 06:37.03 | Guerin | don't add the user to 'disk' or change the ownership of the cdrom device, if that |
| 06:37.07 | Guerin | 's what you're thinking |
| 06:37.17 | x2 | no |
| 06:37.26 | x2 | i bought a 200gb drive today |
| 06:37.37 | nornagon | nice. |
| 06:37.38 | x2 | and a mountable mp3 player |
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| 06:38.23 | liable | you can put 'users' in fstab for cdrom. |
| 06:38.41 | x2 | i put users in fstab for my mp3 player |
| 06:38.51 | x2 | and my 200gb drive |
| 06:38.58 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Do you know what file controls what programs bootup when I start fluxbox? |
| 06:39.00 | x2 | but it still says access denied as a user |
| 06:39.13 | liable | x2: did you remount it? |
| 06:39.14 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I want torsmo to bootup everytime.. |
| 06:39.34 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you mean you want it to start everytime you start fluxbox. .xsession |
| 06:39.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/.xsession |
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| 06:40.29 | nornagon | Best GUI? |
| 06:40.41 | deadcat | nornagon: yeep |
| 06:40.49 | x2 | liable: yes |
| 06:40.50 | liable | what ever you like is best. |
| 06:41.10 | nornagon | nono, I was asking which GUI is the best. |
| 06:41.15 | TwistedEmotions | nornagon: no "best"... preference... |
| 06:41.18 | nornagon | In a feeble attempt to flood the channel. |
| 06:41.26 | TwistedEmotions | nornagon: Do you want ease of use or power? |
| 06:41.28 | nornagon | TwistedEmotions: I hear ya. |
| 06:41.29 | x2 | nornagon: fluxbox > j00. XD |
| 06:41.31 | deadcat | nornagon: your question is stupid. make up your mind. best what gui? |
| 06:41.33 | nornagon | I want your opinions :) |
| 06:41.49 | Guerin | none |
| 06:41.55 | nornagon | heh |
| 06:41.59 | nornagon | That's what I'm using atm. |
| 06:42.03 | TwistedEmotions | nornagon: I like fluxbox and XFCE... |
| 06:42.04 | Guerin | me too |
| 06:42.07 | Guerin | evilwm |
| 06:42.28 | deadcat | !poll |
| 06:42.29 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 06:42.51 | nornagon | oh dear. |
| 06:43.06 | liable | x2: ads said user to cdrom group. |
| 06:43.07 | deadcat | you better run bitch! |
| 06:43.18 | deadcat | (= |
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| 06:43.33 | cyan_ | hey all, I've got an AMD64, I installed kernel-image-2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 and I'm having problems running NVIDIA installer for x86_64 |
| 06:43.57 | x2 | wtf is happening. i just lost all my data on hdb1 |
| 06:43.58 | fooz | apt find fsck.hfsplus |
| 06:44.03 | x2 | :'-( |
| 06:44.14 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Errr... my file has already been chaged but nothing runs when I start it... |
| 06:44.22 | cyan_ | I tried extracting and running nvidia_installer manually but I get error "no such file or directory" |
| 06:44.23 | deadcat | x2: must be mkfs on the wrong partition |
| 06:44.25 | cyan_ | any ideas ? |
| 06:44.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: click session on gdm and select X Session |
| 06:44.49 | Guerin | cyan_: #amd64 |
| 06:44.50 | x2 | deadcat: nope. it just isn't showing me any data |
| 06:44.51 | Guerin | err |
| 06:44.56 | Guerin | cyan_: #debian-amd64 |
| 06:45.03 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: do I have change the settings from openbox to fluxbox? |
| 06:45.24 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no are you using flux or open? |
| 06:45.30 | TwistedEmotions | flux |
| 06:45.33 | fooz | dpkg find fsck.hfsplus |
| 06:45.43 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'fsck.hfsplus' returned no results. |
| 06:45.45 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 06:45.52 | Guerin | fooz: #debianppc |
| 06:45.55 | fooz | ? |
| 06:46.02 | Guerin | good luck with that |
| 06:46.06 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: just change the word openbox to fluxbox in that file. |
| 06:46.08 | fooz | #debianppc are assholes |
| 06:46.12 | deadcat | fooz: amen. |
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| 06:46.22 | fooz | and i don't see what that channel has to do with an HFS fsck |
| 06:46.26 | cyan_ | Guerin is there deb package for NVIDIA modules? |
| 06:46.31 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk... figured as much just wasnt sure if it was that easy.. |
| 06:46.33 | nornagon | heh, coming from a #debian user :P |
| 06:46.34 | Guerin | fooz: more to do with it than this one. |
| 06:46.46 | Guerin | cyan_: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 06:46.46 | fooz | Guerin, um |
| 06:46.49 | foobus | anyone know if there's a way to turn on any readline lib capabilities in xchat? |
| 06:46.51 | cyan_ | there's nvidia-kernel-source which claims to be binary, but it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 06:46.56 | deadcat | fooz: no fsck.hfsplus |
| 06:46.58 | fooz | Guerin, i don't see what PPC has to do with anything at all |
| 06:47.06 | fooz | Guerin, I have one Intel box with no PowerPCs in it |
| 06:47.07 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: just that easy (= |
| 06:47.08 | foobus | I want my Ctl-p |
| 06:47.13 | fooz | Guerin, and one iPod with an HFS filesystem with no PowerPCs in it |
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| 06:47.25 | fooz | so i'm confused |
| 06:47.26 | Guerin | fooz: crqappleware. |
| 06:47.30 | Guerin | s/q// |
| 06:47.45 | Guerin | you bought crappleware, now you're tied to apple. Hope you're happy :) |
| 06:47.47 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: do I need esd? Should I install it? |
| 06:47.57 | fooz | Guerin, you know it runs linux, right? |
| 06:47.58 | deadcat | fooz: try hfsplus package |
| 06:48.10 | Guerin | fooz: sure. |
| 06:48.12 | Guerin | fooz: is hfs+ not the OSX filesystem? |
| 06:48.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no. esd is if you are not using alsa i guess. so its useless now |
| 06:48.28 | TwistedEmotions | kk... commenting it out.. |
| 06:48.35 | fooz | Guerin, no. HFS+ is the Mac OS 8 filesystem |
| 06:48.51 | fooz | debian is just really backwards |
| 06:49.07 | fooz | haven't caught up to Mac OS 3 yet :D |
| 06:49.08 | deadcat | so why are you using debian? |
| 06:49.10 | Guerin | fooz: oh, my bad. In any case, since it's a mac thing, maybe the people who actually own macs might know better.... just a thought. |
| 06:49.23 | fooz | Guerin, I wasn't asking for help from humans, I was asking for help from bots |
| 06:49.28 | fooz | you just jumped in :P |
| 06:49.32 | foobus | why are you all here... it's Friday night. Somewhere. |
| 06:49.47 | deadcat | foobus: why are you here then? |
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| 06:49.56 | foobus | gf asleep. |
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| 06:50.11 | Guerin | fooz: it was but a suggestion... if you wanted to not atteact attention, you could have used /msg. |
| 06:50.12 | ricosuave17 | porn? |
| 06:50.13 | deadcat | foobus: fair enough. |
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| 06:50.52 | deadcat | i dont know about you guys. i am here to pick up girls. |
| 06:51.05 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: change what? |
| 06:51.12 | ugly | fat girls |
| 06:51.13 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.13 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:51.14 | myren | whats the syntax to copy multiple files into a single file? |
| 06:51.17 | deadcat | hahah |
| 06:51.23 | fooz | apparently there is no fsck.hfsplus in existence |
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| 06:51.28 | ugly | fooz: you zoof :| |
| 06:51.30 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.32 | fooz | ugly, hey |
| 06:51.32 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:51.37 | caphuso | myren: cat file1 file2 file3 > combinedfile |
| 06:51.40 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.40 | ugly | fooz: fancy meeting you here! |
| 06:51.42 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.44 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.46 | cyc | from which silly joke could be /etc/apache-perl dir? I don't have apache-perl ... and dpkg -S does not find /etc/apache-perl/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf (that's the only file in there) |
| 06:51.46 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: fucking stop |
| 06:51.46 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.46 | defcon8 | wtf TwistedEmotions |
| 06:51.48 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.50 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.51 | Guerin | ban him |
| 06:51.52 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:51.54 | Guerin | do it now |
| 06:51.54 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:51.58 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:52.08 | foobus | yeah baby |
| 06:52.12 | ugly | fooz: where have you been lately? :) |
| 06:52.12 | defcon8 | :D |
| 06:52.13 | Guerin | fucking imbecile |
| 06:52.17 | Guerin | mind you |
| 06:52.17 | fooz | ugly, avoiding #debian |
| 06:52.28 | fooz | ugly, working |
| 06:52.39 | Guerin | at least what he just pasted makes sense, unlike 90% of what he actually TYPES in channel |
| 06:52.48 | ugly | fooz: heh I took a long break - seems like some of the idiots have calmed down, but then again I haven't spent much time here since returning |
| 06:52.48 | *** mode/#debian [-q TwistedEmotions!*@*] by caphuso |
| 06:52.57 | caphuso | TwistedEmotions: use /query for such things |
| 06:53.03 | fooz | the idiots were what made things fun |
| 06:53.04 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 06:53.08 | fooz | trolling lazarus etc |
| 06:53.10 | foobus | Guerin, he didn't write it. :0 |
| 06:53.15 | deadcat | caphuso: he was trying to paste those in /msg |
| 06:53.20 | caphuso | deadcat: yeah |
| 06:53.21 | fooz | just say "BSD" to him and he'd have a core dump |
| 06:53.23 | caphuso | thought so |
| 06:53.28 | TwistedEmotions | Sorry guys... didnt mean to paste here... it was like 30 lines and I tried to /msg it... but it backfired.. |
| 06:53.42 | ugly | fooz: still in vegas, I see! |
| 06:53.44 | x2 | what does umask=002 mean? |
| 06:53.51 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i got ban once for doing that once.. fuckers |
| 06:53.51 | fooz | ugly, yeah |
| 06:54.04 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahahah |
| 06:54.07 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: turn off your autoreconnect and it won't be a problem in future |
| 06:54.10 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i mean everyone knew i did that accidently but i got ban. |
| 06:54.14 | ugly | fooz: any good looking asian hookers walking the streets? |
| 06:54.23 | fooz | no |
| 06:54.27 | ugly | :( |
| 06:54.35 | TwistedEmotions | dude... I just hit /msg deadcat and the message and it pasted crazy I guess.. |
| 06:54.44 | fooz | las vegas is full of smoking hick women |
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| 06:54.47 | fooz | TwistedEmotions, use /query like they said |
| 06:54.49 | deadcat | ugly: never mix the words good looking and hooker together. |
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| 06:54.51 | fooz | TwistedEmotions, /msg is for one line |
| 06:55.07 | ugly | deadcat: some of the higher paid ones prob look good :P |
| 06:55.18 | deadcat | ugly: then its high paid hooker. not hooker |
| 06:55.19 | Guerin | can this not be #asian-hookers ? |
| 06:55.22 | TwistedEmotions | fooz: Will do. |
| 06:55.22 | ugly | deadcat: heh |
| 06:55.24 | foobus | I saw a mexican girl with a broad white belt doing the hoola-hoop walking down El Cajon earlier tonight. |
| 06:55.33 | caphuso | Guerin: sounds like a plan |
| 06:55.38 | Guerin | i mean |
| 06:55.50 | fooz | foobus, san diego? |
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| 06:55.55 | foobus | uh huh |
| 06:55.57 | ugly | Guerin had a bad experience with one? |
| 06:55.59 | Guerin | being as i actually LIVE in asia, I have my share of asian hooker stories, but this is neither the time or the place |
| 06:56.06 | ugly | apparently so! |
| 06:56.09 | Guerin | ugly: not as bad as you, clearly. |
| 06:56.17 | Guerin | or maybe your father... |
| 06:56.21 | x2 | what does umask=002 mean? |
| 06:56.24 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: change the if which openbox part, or just dont install openbox it will go with the next manager which is flux |
| 06:56.29 | ugly | my father is dead! |
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| 06:56.30 | Guerin | x2: info coreutils chmod |
| 06:56.37 | ugly | I killed him... with guns |
| 06:56.39 | fooz | i think i'll trash my ipod's filesystem and see what happens |
| 06:56.47 | deadcat | ugly: good for you. |
| 06:56.56 | ugly | then I ate his body |
| 06:57.09 | bucky | guns don't kill.. smoking hick chicks kill |
| 06:57.11 | deadcat | ugly: then you sucked his cock too |
| 06:57.16 | ugly | no, I ate it |
| 06:57.16 | Guerin | fooz: then you can sell it on ebay: 'perfect physical condition' |
| 06:57.20 | caphuso | enough now |
| 06:57.22 | ugly | let's see if melatonin will get me to sleep before 4AM |
| 06:57.23 | fooz | ahh damn, hfsplus tools can't make filesystems |
| 06:57.24 | Guerin | jesusfuckingchrist |
| 06:57.24 | deadcat | ugly: eat/suck. same thing |
| 06:57.30 | foobus | his cock in a bed of fava beans |
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| 06:57.58 | fooz | i'll convert it to a winipod i guess |
| 06:58.04 | fooz | less of a pain |
| 06:58.11 | foobus | how do you spell--um... thptathpta.. oh never mind |
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| 06:58.21 | Guerin | fooz: can you just mount it as mass storage and make a vfat filesystem on it? |
| 06:58.24 | ethics | mummy all the bad words on the screen make me feel bad |
| 06:58.32 | ugly | I heard mwilson got busted in Operation Site Down |
| 06:58.33 | fooz | Guerin, not without the winipod os |
| 06:58.34 | ugly | juarez kiddie |
| 06:58.40 | Guerin | fooz: oh, bad. |
| 06:58.41 | deadcat | fooz: have you tried gtkpod? |
| 06:58.50 | Guerin | yet another reason why ipods are shit |
| 06:58.52 | fooz | deadcat, gtkpod doesn't check HFS+ filesystems and it's having an issue with this one |
| 06:59.03 | deadcat | ah |
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| 06:59.06 | fooz | Guerin, ...they're shit because you can make it work with whatever OS you want? |
| 06:59.09 | fooz | Guerin, wtf are you smoking? |
| 06:59.25 | deadcat | imported weed |
| 06:59.38 | Guerin | fooz: no, they're shit because you're locked into apple's bullshit and you can't just mount them as mass storage like you can any comparable player. |
| 06:59.42 | Guerin | that's why. |
| 06:59.47 | Guerin | and they don't play ogg or flac. |
| 07:00.01 | fooz | Guerin, I *COULD* mount it as mass storage and make an FS on it. It would BREAK THE BUILT-IN OS. |
| 07:00.06 | Draconicus | Why would you even WANT flac? |
| 07:00.12 | Guerin | fooz: oh. That sounds ideal to me. |
| 07:00.21 | fooz | Guerin, The right way to do it is to plug it in in windows, and let iTunes CHANGE IT OVER TO A WINDOWS IPOD. |
| 07:00.27 | foobus | fooz: just put linux on it |
| 07:00.30 | Guerin | Draconicus: if you need to ask that question, you won't believe the answer. |
| 07:00.41 | fooz | foobus, later.. don't feel like building a cross arm toolchain right now |
| 07:00.49 | Draconicus | Heh. |
| 07:00.55 | ugly | well, flac with dinky little portable headphones is overkill |
| 07:01.08 | ugly | eats up extra battery life too, I would imagine, as it has to do more disk accessing |
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| 07:01.18 | Guerin | ugly: not really. |
| 07:01.24 | deadcat | fooz: stop being a bitch. just record your music to "tape" like i do |
| 07:01.26 | fooz | ipod linux can play flac and ogg and all that |
| 07:01.40 | ugly | how about MPC? :P |
| 07:01.44 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:01.46 | fooz | what is that? |
| 07:01.47 | Guerin | mpc is worthless |
| 07:01.57 | Guerin | and don't get me started on mac |
| 07:01.58 | ugly | musepack - aka most transparent lossy format available |
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| 07:02.18 | Guerin | but mpc is at least free |
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| 07:03.12 | fooz | bleh windows though |
| 07:03.21 | fooz | i could try putting vfat on it and see what happens, heheh... |
| 07:03.23 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Errr... no success... brb |
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| 07:03.46 | fooz | oh wait, it's got an Apple partition table.. and for some reason there's no mac-fdisk in wintel debian |
| 07:03.54 | fooz | how annoying |
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| 07:04.08 | cyc | what the hell could be wrong: in apache-ssl phpmyadmin works fine, but trying to acces phppgadmin offers to open/save a file ... as if I wouldn't have php module ... but the same module seems good enough for phpmyadmin :) |
| 07:04.20 | cisco | bye |
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| 07:04.21 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: your script sucks... |
| 07:04.26 | fooz | there's cross-fdisks useless to anyone like acorn, amiga and atari, but no mac-fdisk |
| 07:04.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I hate you. |
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| 07:04.32 | cisco | hello |
| 07:04.32 | pumpitup | i have a problem with my Xserver configuration i edited the XF86Config file but i still get the error /dev/input/mice not found even tough in the config i put /dev/psaux instead |
| 07:04.35 | cyc | both applications fork fine in apache2 |
| 07:04.41 | cisco | hello |
| 07:04.51 | ugly | everyone hates deadcat |
| 07:04.55 | cisco | hello all |
| 07:04.58 | ugly | he's just a hate-able guy |
| 07:05.00 | skaught | the Debian Archive key in apt-key in unstable seems to be active, however, aptitude still gives me untrusted packages. I'm new to apt-secure, does anyone have any insight? |
| 07:05.08 | Thaiger | Ever since I did a dist-upgrade the font seems a lot smaller in almost all applications how do I change this? |
| 07:05.20 | cisco | sow |
| 07:05.33 | ugly | hog |
| 07:05.41 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what the f |
| 07:05.48 | cisco | 6uyj |
| 07:05.48 | cisco | yjtyj |
| 07:05.48 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: works fine for me. |
| 07:05.49 | cisco | tyj |
| 07:05.49 | cisco | ty |
| 07:05.49 | cisco | jty |
| 07:05.50 | cisco | jt |
| 07:05.50 | cisco | yjt |
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| 07:05.52 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I'm kidding... I love you.. |
| 07:05.52 | darren | can ne 1 tell me how to get the audio working on a tvcard based on phillips saa7136 chip |
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| 07:06.00 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: script still doesnt work.. |
| 07:06.05 | fooz | linux firewire isn't working and linux USB disk driver is being lossy.. grr |
| 07:06.06 | Guerin | !ne1 |
| 07:06.06 | pumpitup | could anyone help? |
| 07:06.06 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 07:06.09 | deadcat | ciaron: shut up fucker. i will cut your dick and feed it to ugly |
| 07:06.22 | ciaron | ? |
| 07:06.25 | ugly | haha |
| 07:06.26 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 07:06.28 | deadcat | wrong dude (= |
| 07:06.32 | ugly | deadcat loses |
| 07:06.35 | deadcat | )= |
| 07:06.36 | TwistedEmotions | cisco? |
| 07:06.41 | deadcat | ya that fucker |
| 07:06.41 | ciaron | heh |
| 07:06.46 | TwistedEmotions | hahahaha... |
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| 07:06.58 | Guerin | and it's not even sunday yet |
| 07:07.00 | darren | can anyone tell me how to get the audio working on a tvcard based on phillips saa7136 chip? |
| 07:07.04 | TwistedEmotions | ciaron: I will murder your family... Errr... Sorry mean "Bush" |
| 07:07.13 | darren | is that better? |
| 07:07.31 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: deadcat: ideally you'd be less like beavis and butthead. |
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| 07:07.45 | deadcat | Guerin: nah. we're just evil. |
| 07:07.47 | Guerin | darren: what chipset provides the sound? |
| 07:07.55 | cyan_ | I'm trying the NVidia one liner, but I'm failing at: |
| 07:07.59 | pumpitup_ | i have a problem with my Xserver configuration i edited the XF86Config file but i still get the error /dev/input/mice not found even tough in the config i put /dev/psaux instead |
| 07:08.04 | Guerin | cyan_: don't paste |
| 07:08.07 | TwistedEmotions | I call beavis... |
| 07:08.26 | foobus | now I have checked the /help listing and I don't see how I could cut someone's dick off and feed it to anybody. |
| 07:08.39 | cyan_ | error403|away:code module 'kernel' not supported in 32 bit mode |
| 07:08.44 | darren | dont know, the card is called a tvchamp |
| 07:08.46 | cyan_ | what does that mean? |
| 07:08.48 | mike_ | WOAH! MY DATA IS BACK. w00t! |
| 07:08.55 | Guerin | darren: lspci might tell you |
| 07:08.56 | ugly | pumpitup_: might be multiple mouse sections in the config |
| 07:09.00 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: the .xsession not working? |
| 07:09.10 | fooz | ugly, so how's things? what you been doing? |
| 07:09.13 | ugly | pumpitup_: is there some reason you're not using 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' instead of editing manually? |
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| 07:09.23 | Guerin | cyan_: you need to ask people who know about amd64 - #debian-amd64, or one of the mailing lists. |
| 07:09.29 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ;( No... wait up |
| 07:09.34 | Guerin | cyan_: or try back here in an hour or three. |
| 07:09.35 | pumpitup_ | ugly : hmmmm didnt think of that :S |
| 07:09.36 | mike_ | okay, when i ls under user, it doesn't show anything. when i ls under root, it shows my files. what is up with this? |
| 07:09.37 | cyan_ | ok lets try |
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| 07:09.48 | ugly | fooz: OK I guess - graduated last year, at some ghetto college now before transferring |
| 07:09.57 | Guerin | !tell pumpitup_ about x md5sum |
| 07:10.10 | darren | thanks |
| 07:10.20 | fooz | cool |
| 07:10.29 | ugly | not majoring in CS :D :D |
| 07:10.40 | freeman_ | !tell freeman_ about tail |
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| 07:11.39 | mike_ | Guerin: why does it show different files on a drive when different users access it? |
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| 07:12.08 | Guerin | mike_: context? |
| 07:12.09 | ricosuave17 | www.google.ca |
| 07:12.41 | mike_ | Guerin: when i ls'd under root, it shows my files. when i am in my normal user, it doesn't show me anything |
| 07:12.42 | Guerin | mike_: i mean, do you get any errors or anything? |
| 07:12.49 | Guerin | mike_: i can read, thanks. |
| 07:12.50 | mike_ | no, nothing |
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| 07:13.11 | Guerin | mike_: try calling /bin/ls directly |
| 07:13.20 | ugly | fooz: I'm off - night! |
| 07:13.25 | Guerin | mike_: one or other user might have an alias set up which mungs things |
| 07:13.32 | bl4ckh4t | somebody can tell me how configure a "sony-ericsson GC85 EDGE/GPRS PC CARD"? |
| 07:13.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: just remember that my desktop is hades and my laptop is pandora. so just ignore those sections. |
| 07:13.50 | mike_ | Guerin: no, nothing |
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| 07:13.56 | deadcat | bl4ckh4t: no clue |
| 07:14.04 | Guerin | mike_: does ls -a or ls -l change anything? |
| 07:14.07 | fooz | grrr.. can't ever find a damn PCI firewire card that works |
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| 07:14.26 | mike_ | Guerin: no |
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| 07:14.42 | mike_ | its ext3... is there like hidden files or something? |
| 07:14.58 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you mean comment them out? |
| 07:15.03 | Guerin | paste the output of ls -la as root and as user to a pastebin |
| 07:15.09 | Guerin | mike_: /msg dpkg paster |
| 07:15.19 | bl4ckh4t | deadcat, are you saying that it can't be use under linux? |
| 07:16.04 | Guerin | bl4ckh4t: 1) change your nick before someone ridicules you 2) did he say that? |
| 07:16.09 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no just ignore those. and since your hostname is not hades|pandora then you look into the *) section |
| 07:16.17 | deadcat | bl4ckh4t: i am saying i have no clue |
| 07:16.18 | liran | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.24 | liran | eh |
| 07:16.59 | Guerin | bl4ckh4t: a nick like dr00l1ngm0r0n might be more suitable |
| 07:17.17 | deadcat | Guerin: hes too leet for that |
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| 07:17.42 | paster | "mike_" at 202.173.144.102 pasted "ls -la for root and user" (19 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/284 |
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| 07:18.02 | mike_ | Guerin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/284 |
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| 07:18.14 | bl4ckh4t | Guerin, 1) If somebody ridicules me by my nick :P... really it does'nt matter me... 2) I have'nt idea :D my english is very poor |
| 07:18.56 | caphuso | mike_: as user, do "cd /; cd -; ls -la" and tell me if something changed |
| 07:19.01 | Guerin | mike_: what is the ownership and perms on /backupdrive? |
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| 07:19.19 | mike_ | caphuso: nothing changed |
| 07:19.23 | mike_ | <mike_> caphuso: nothing changed |
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| 07:19.26 | mike_ | grrh |
| 07:19.32 | caphuso | mike_: and if you do it as root? |
| 07:19.42 | mike_ | Guerin: its world writeable 777 |
| 07:19.53 | mike_ | caphuso: it shows everything |
| 07:19.55 | Guerin | mike_: funky. |
| 07:20.07 | mike_ | wtf. i don't like this. |
| 07:20.09 | mike_ | :'-( |
| 07:20.20 | caphuso | that's very funky |
| 07:21.01 | mike_ | maybe i should wipe the disk and do it again? |
| 07:21.28 | mike_ | exit |
| 07:21.33 | mike_ | grah |
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| 07:21.48 | Guerin | mike_: try a fsck |
| 07:21.49 | foobus | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.54 | caphuso | only thing i know that could cause that would be being inside a mountpoint before someting gets mounted, but changing directories and going back should take care of that |
| 07:22.28 | mike_ | ahh your right caphuso. |
| 07:22.35 | mike_ | too many aterms open i guess |
| 07:22.44 | mike_ | thanks for your help guys |
| 07:22.49 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 07:22.51 | deadcat | how many? |
| 07:23.01 | mike_ | 10 |
| 07:23.14 | deadcat | time to consider screen |
| 07:23.21 | Guerin | hell yeah |
| 07:23.29 | caphuso | deadcat: same problem |
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| 07:23.36 | mike_ | i havnt had time to man screen |
| 07:23.45 | mike_ | it looks to long to read |
| 07:23.46 | caphuso | 10 aterms or 10 screen windows make no difference in such a situation |
| 07:23.46 | Guerin | oh, screen is peasy |
| 07:23.48 | deadcat | mike_: no need. |
| 07:24.13 | mike_ | deadcat: whats the easiest way to use it then? |
| 07:24.20 | deadcat | type screen |
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| 07:24.51 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: it isnt working... is there a way to check to see where error occurs? |
| 07:25.14 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: .xsession-errors |
| 07:25.28 | deadcat | or /var/log/Xwhatever.log |
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| 07:27.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: its embarassing how bad i am at basketball (= |
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| 07:28.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: it's okay... I use to play.. but now I get schooled by 6 year old girls.. |
| 07:28.22 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: are you using startx or gdm? |
| 07:28.28 | TwistedEmotions | gdm |
| 07:28.28 | deadcat | haha |
| 07:28.38 | TwistedEmotions | I think... |
| 07:28.51 | TwistedEmotions | wait |
| 07:28.51 | TwistedEmotions | no |
| 07:28.53 | TwistedEmotions | GDM |
| 07:28.59 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: it shouldnt be that hard. |
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| 07:29.16 | TwistedEmotions | cause I use /etc/init.d/gdm start/stop command.. |
| 07:29.34 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What shouldnt be that hard? |
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| 07:29.47 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. but that had nothing to do with your .xsession, just select X session from the session option |
| 07:29.47 | TwistedEmotions | Do you see the error anywherE? |
| 07:29.52 | metaperl | any comments on getting a sound application (skype) to make sound while a Wine sound app (myth, a game) is also playing? artsdsp -m skype & artsdsp -m "wine myth" only let the first app make sound |
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| 07:30.49 | metaperl | I'm using ALSA |
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| 07:31.59 | fooz | i converted it to a winipod |
| 07:32.17 | Guerin | metaperl: might be a problem with wine. |
| 07:32.19 | fooz | turns out the same firmware works.. just had to make a PC partition table and two partitions |
| 07:32.32 | fooz | and stick the firmware from the apple partitions in one |
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| 07:34.09 | ethics | metaperl using dmix at all? |
| 07:34.19 | metaperl | ethics: kmix... |
| 07:34.26 | metaperl | not familiar with dmix |
| 07:34.35 | ethics | !tell metaperl about dmix |
| 07:34.49 | Guerin | why would dmix work if artsdsp didn't? |
| 07:35.01 | ethics | metaperl its like multiple alsa sounds at once |
| 07:35.07 | kadigibox | Is there any reason to use alsa, esound, jack or whatever? |
| 07:35.17 | Guerin | kadigibox: no, they all exist for no reason at all. |
| 07:35.26 | kadigibox | cause I dont use thoes and get fine sound |
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| 07:35.40 | Guerin | completely worthless, yet people have invested tens of millions of person-hours into them... |
| 07:35.49 | ethics | some cards do mixing in hardware some dont |
| 07:35.51 | metaperl | dmix is not a debian pkg apparently |
| 07:36.08 | Guerin | metaperl: it's already in alsa. Read the dmix factoid. |
| 07:36.11 | ethics | it's part of alsa just needs to be configed |
| 07:37.18 | metaperl | what are some obvious sound apps? |
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| 07:37.31 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 07:37.31 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 07:37.34 | metaperl | ones that make a lot of noise with little effort on my part? kasteroids was suspiciously quiet |
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| 07:39.00 | metaperl | the problem is I can't preface that with artsdsp -m |
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| 07:39.33 | Whoppix27 | hi |
| 07:39.57 | Whoppix27 | can someone tell me how I open a tar,gz file in linux? |
| 07:40.00 | metaperl | aha! unless I pop it in a shell script |
| 07:40.04 | caphuso | Whoppix27: /msg dpkg tar |
| 07:40.07 | metaperl | gzip -dc filename.tar.gz | tar xvf - |
| 07:40.07 | voidmasta | tar -xvzf filename |
| 07:40.13 | findme | !gz |
| 07:40.20 | donny | !tarball |
| 07:40.20 | dpkg | well, tarball is a file archived with tar (usually a .tar.gz file) |
| 07:40.38 | donny | !tgz |
| 07:40.38 | dpkg | to unarchive: tar -zxvf blah.tar.gz, to create: tar -zcvf blah.tar.gz ... |
| 07:40.49 | donny | der ya go |
| 07:41.01 | findme | !rar |
| 07:41.02 | dpkg | it has been said that rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about unrar |
| 07:41.50 | SoCkY[Deb] | !glib |
| 07:41.50 | dpkg | The GLib library of C routines. URL: http://www.gtk.org/ |
| 07:42.26 | donny | !linux |
| 07:42.27 | dpkg | it has been said that linux is closed |
| 07:42.32 | SoCkY[Deb] | =| |
| 07:42.40 | donny | !bsd |
| 07:42.40 | dpkg | read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or 00:48 < beta3> BSD stand for Bull Shit Distribution |
| 07:42.43 | SoCkY[Deb] | !null |
| 07:42.43 | dpkg | null's not |
| 07:42.46 | SoCkY[Deb] | lol |
| 07:42.49 | donny | lol |
| 07:42.55 | SoCkY[Deb] | !google |
| 07:42.56 | dpkg | well, google is a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 07:42.59 | SoCkY[Deb] | =] |
| 07:43.05 | SoCkY[Deb] | !debian |
| 07:43.05 | dpkg | somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 07:43.12 | SoCkY[Deb] | somebody said lol |
| 07:43.41 | donny | !lol |
| 07:43.41 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a lOler. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg |
| 07:43.51 | SoCkY[Deb] | LOL |
| 07:44.21 | pureone | !useless factoid |
| 07:44.21 | dpkg | i guess useless factoid is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 07:44.25 | donny | hehe |
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| 07:45.16 | tim_h__ | q |
| 07:45.47 | pipatron | Yo, let's say that something is looking for a certain file and can't find it.. Is there a way for me to search in the list of packages to see what package would actually install that file? |
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| 07:46.28 | findme | packages.debian.org |
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| 07:46.50 | metaperl | ok, artsdsp -m rhythmbox & artsdsp -m skype & only lets the first one play... under ALSA and a 2.6 kernel... any solution? |
| 07:47.27 | pipatron | findme: Thanks |
| 07:47.44 | findme | pipatron, you are welcome. |
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| 07:48.36 | metaperl | it really is time to goto sleep |
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| 07:52.28 | metaperl | anyway, someone I dont know pinged me on skype so I'm up for a few more minutes |
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| 07:52.46 | metaperl | still curous about the artsdsp issue |
| 07:52.50 | metaperl | ok, artsdsp -m rhythmbox & artsdsp -m skype & only lets the first one play... under ALSA and a 2.6 kernel... any solution? |
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| 07:53.29 | metaperl | oh well, sacktime again. g'nite # debian |
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| 07:55.07 | elive | I need to install the nvidia driver, I have installed the headers of my kernel, not works... I need special parameter for the headers ? |
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| 07:55.50 | elive | bueno, 3 nuevos, alguno de vosotros con el driver de nvidia sobre unos headers ? |
| 07:56.05 | chealer | elive: this is an english only channel |
| 07:56.13 | chealer | !doesn't work |
| 07:56.14 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 07:57.11 | quitte | elive: module-assistant auto-install nvidia |
| 07:57.44 | elive | ops, wrong channel, sorry chealer |
| 07:58.01 | elive | quitte, what are module assitant ? |
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| 08:02.10 | tarzeau | there's a links2 ssl version at telesto.lug-ag.ch for those who can't live without https:// |
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| 08:02.31 | quitte | elive: /msg dpkg m-a |
| 08:02.31 | elive | no idea? :/ |
| 08:02.40 | mwilson | tarzeau: It's not like links2 is hard to build. |
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| 08:04.05 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: there was a links-ssl at some point in time... |
| 08:04.33 | dondelelcaro | ah... elinks does, but links2 doesn't |
| 08:05.24 | elive | please help, how to install nvidia driver with the headers ? |
| 08:05.38 | chealer | !tell elive about nvidia-howto |
| 08:06.31 | jo | is it same as in ububntu? |
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| 08:09.29 | tarzeau | mwilson: true |
| 08:09.42 | tarzeau | mwilson: no it doesn't, because links2 was written to use openssl, see bugs.debian.org/links2 |
| 08:09.56 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: elinks is using gnu tls |
| 08:10.11 | tarzeau | jo: if you could spell that damn thing right, i wouldn't see it! |
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| 08:11.34 | jo | tarzeau im dislekties sorry |
| 08:11.57 | jo | stil running gentoo andt ubuntu |
| 08:12.06 | jo | gig my hard time |
| 08:12.09 | jo | gef |
| 08:12.14 | jo | shitgif |
| 08:12.48 | jo | its not that im not working on it sorry for that |
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| 08:13.19 | random012 | What options are there for UML on Sarge? Do I need to install it from unstable? |
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| 08:14.42 | FlopsyPete | I'm helping someone over the phone to use wvdial, it seems as tho wvdial complains if there's no password. how do you put in a black password to /etc/wvdial.conf? |
| 08:14.56 | FlopsyPete | (blank, not black) |
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| 08:19.01 | liable | FlopsyPete: erm, if wvdial is whinging about it, doesnt that mean the isp is prolly asking for it? (or does it whinge before it starts?) |
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| 08:22.12 | FlopsyPete | liable: it whinges before it starts; its a generic account that has a username of 'MSN' but no password |
| 08:22.34 | liable | FlopsyPete: try commenting the line out maybe |
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| 08:23.13 | FlopsyPete | liable: it whings with it not there (as created by the GUI), it whinges with it as 'Password =' |
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| 08:23.50 | liable | FlopsyPete: try pppconfig then and see if pon works. |
| 08:23.59 | takisd | is there a debian-laptop chat??? |
| 08:24.12 | FlopsyPete | liable: thanks, will try |
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| 08:27.00 | liran | so i was wondering, where could i find the sources for the linux ps program? |
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| 08:27.28 | Rucas | what's a good C ide? |
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| 08:28.27 | FlopsyPete | does wvdial go with wvdial.conf, and pon/poff go with pppconfig? |
| 08:28.49 | liable | yep |
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| 08:29.50 | liable | FlopsyPete: try adding stupid mode= yes , and/or just putting in a random password. |
| 08:29.54 | bisquit | Good morning, with a minor meep. I just... (yes, finally!) ...went from woody to sarge. And.. ehh.. well.. I hope this happens a lot. But. Now my konsole is being flooded with Shorewall-messages? |
| 08:29.58 | liable | FlopsyPete: for wvdial |
| 08:30.16 | chealer | liran: presumably, procps's source |
| 08:30.21 | bisquit | Really, really annoyink. |
| 08:30.22 | Ack1 | Hi i canceled an download only apt-get. now when i try to download package i get: E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes |
| 08:30.22 | Ack1 | RESULT=100 |
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| 08:33.46 | liable | bisquit: edit /etc/initd/klogd and scroll down to the start line of the script and add -c 2, then restart klogd (it still may show them after restarting it, but I have found it stops after the next reboot, maybe try restarting syslogd too.) |
| 08:34.45 | ghatak | Hi, i want to run a simple ftp server, i have three groups of users. i want all three of them to have diffirent maximum download speed. Which ftp server should i use and any starting point would be helpful. |
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| 08:35.06 | bisquit | liable, thanks... :) I just found similar advice from google too. Yay. |
| 08:35.17 | bisquit | Have to boot whole system anyway so no biggie there. |
| 08:35.20 | liran | chealer: how about a url maybe? |
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| 08:35.46 | bisquit | Good. And thanks. Again. To all ye HelpyHelpers. I'll go back to pre-boot thingies... --> |
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| 08:36.09 | liable | FlopsyPete: hmm, try setting password = none in wvdial.conf |
| 08:36.30 | liable | FlopsyPete: http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~mcba/iridiumLinux.html |
| 08:36.56 | chealer | liran: http://packages.debian.org/procps |
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| 08:37.57 | Duelist | How do I fix "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" |
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| 08:38.03 | Duelist | ? |
| 08:38.03 | FlopsyPete | liable: (still waiting for them to ring back). thanks for that |
| 08:38.24 | Duelist | Yes, I've already searched and no dice |
| 08:38.36 | fooz | Duelist, do you have gnupg installed? |
| 08:38.37 | liable | FlopsyPete: np, interesting to see if it works. |
| 08:38.53 | liable | Duelist: running sid? |
| 08:39.10 | Duelist | liable: Yes, it's sid |
| 08:39.30 | xoz | Duelist: apt-get update? |
| 08:39.34 | liable | Duelist: run update again. |
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| 08:41.09 | iluciv | hi I'm using ubuntu and have installed 2.6.12.2 from kernel.org and I need some help with problems this has caused may I list them here and see if anyone can help? |
| 08:41.34 | Nath | Does debian have a startup process? |
| 08:41.50 | liable | iluciv: try #ubuntu, they know how it works better. |
| 08:42.03 | chealer | nath: what do you mean? init? |
| 08:42.04 | liable | Nath: init. |
| 08:42.15 | Nath | I want to execute a "autoexec" when linux boots up |
| 08:42.33 | chealer | iluciv: no. this is a debian support channel |
| 08:42.34 | iluciv | no one there at the moment who has done vanilla install |
| 08:42.43 | Nath | so I dont have to execute everything in console everytime i boot |
| 08:42.47 | iluciv | well ubuntu is debian based |
| 08:42.50 | liable | !they dont know |
| 08:42.58 | chealer | !based on debian |
| 08:42.58 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 08:43.07 | iluciv | I didn't say that |
| 08:43.16 | Nath | i dano what iv got, but Knoppix acts like debian |
| 08:43.40 | Nath | all the same thing, installs .deb packages so I call it debian |
| 08:44.02 | caphuso | Nath: we don't |
| 08:44.02 | chealer | nath: well, better not call it debian here |
| 08:44.20 | liable | iluciv: we dont try to be rude, but there are subtle differences in these distros, which makes troubleshooting very difficult for us, because they dont always behave likr debian. |
| 08:44.23 | caphuso | suse installs .rpm packages. yet nobody calls it redhat |
| 08:44.27 | Nath | well what do i call it, the only software that installs on this is .deb |
| 08:44.28 | Ack1 | what version of kde does debian currently use? |
| 08:44.33 | caphuso | only a moron would do that |
| 08:44.35 | iluciv | I did say based but I was hopping because I was going out of the confines of the normal ubuntu distro I'd get a bit of help here its np had to ask |
| 08:44.44 | caphuso | iluciv: don't do it again |
| 08:44.56 | caphuso | Ack1: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:45.01 | chealer | nath: so what? it's not the case on debian |
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| 08:45.19 | liable | thays better :) |
| 08:45.24 | liable | *thats |
| 08:45.41 | Nath | I dont get this linux stff lol |
| 08:45.41 | jo | jo to |
| 08:46.04 | jo | linux26 i think |
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| 08:46.43 | gnraf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:47.09 | Nath | also were can I find this file libgailutil.so.16 ??? |
| 08:47.13 | Nath | please :D |
| 08:47.25 | jo | but i have amd64 there is not debian that seport it? |
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| 08:47.47 | Nath | Its to run gyach, so I dont have to install windoze back |
| 08:47.50 | Ack1 | caphuso, it uses 3.3? |
| 08:48.12 | Ack1 | [kdebase_3.3.2.orig.tar.gz] [ |
| 08:48.14 | caphuso | Ack1: if that's what http://packages.debian.org/ says, yes |
| 08:48.15 | iluciv | One question though :P Say If I was to use staright debian would installing a kernel from kernel.org be less likely to break things than say with other as-of-now unamed_debian_based_distros? |
| 08:48.22 | iluciv | straight |
| 08:48.26 | faked | apt-get update always reports this message: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 08:48.27 | streuner | Nath: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:48.39 | Nath | ok 1 sec |
| 08:48.41 | faked | what can I do to get apt-get update clean? |
| 08:48.49 | chealer | faked: on which release? |
| 08:49.00 | faked | chealer: unstable |
| 08:49.07 | Nath | umm what do I do with that? |
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| 08:49.24 | streuner | Nath: searching? |
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| 08:49.50 | Nath | nope doing nothing |
| 08:49.58 | Nath | bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
| 08:50.09 | streuner | !tell Nath about search |
| 08:50.14 | Ack1 | the newest verion of kde is 3.4 i think. is it supported. in use, or how is it? |
| 08:50.28 | TwistedEmotions | faked: Im getting same thing |
| 08:50.35 | TwistedEmotions | faked: its just that source.. |
| 08:50.50 | TwistedEmotions | faked: just ignore.. will go away |
| 08:50.53 | chealer | Ack1: ask #debian-kde |
| 08:50.54 | caphuso | so get the public key and add it with apt-key |
| 08:51.11 | caphuso | TwistedEmotions: no, it won't |
| 08:51.15 | TwistedEmotions | or do what caphuso said.. |
| 08:51.26 | TwistedEmotions | caphuso: Preety sure it will |
| 08:51.35 | faked | TwistedEmotions: is there no way to tell apt-get the correct public key or something else? |
| 08:51.43 | TwistedEmotions | never did this before.. I just tihnk their server is fuckering up.. |
| 08:51.50 | Nath | grrrr, im really getting sick of this lol |
| 08:51.57 | TwistedEmotions | faked: caphuso so get the public key and add it with apt-key |
| 08:52.09 | caphuso | TwistedEmotions: you're talking nonsense |
| 08:52.17 | caphuso | the server works just fine |
| 08:52.26 | Ack1 | Thanks. im looking at the kde 3.4 files right now. |
| 08:52.32 | chealer | iluciv: I wouldn't think for 2.6.12 (currently) |
| 08:52.34 | faked | caphuso: how can I get the key from ftp.nerim ? |
| 08:53.17 | caphuso | faked: don't know. i got it from a key server |
| 08:53.18 | iluciv | gah |
| 08:53.40 | faked | caphuso: ok, I'll look for it, thx for your help |
| 08:54.18 | chealer | iluciv: you really need 2.6.12, right? |
| 08:54.18 | liable | faked: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
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| 08:56.02 | Nath | ok all I want to know is what .deb package I need that installs this file "libgailutil.so.16" and nothing else coz all this crappy system runs is .deb packages |
| 08:56.11 | faked | liable: fine, looks good, thx |
| 08:56.45 | Nath | why am I missing that file and why is there nothing "in english" about this file on google |
| 08:57.16 | Nath | and why am I the only person that needs this file ??? |
| 08:57.40 | Nath | or is missing it anyway |
| 08:58.10 | FlopsyPete | Nath: Google knows of loads of mention of 'libgailutil' |
| 08:58.16 | Nath | afk need a breather before i start formating for windowz |
| 08:58.30 | Nath | yea tryy downloading that file |
| 08:58.38 | Nath | or even find a .deb package for it |
| 08:59.14 | Nath | I have my mates computer running linux and recomended it but hell, im thinking twice |
| 08:59.24 | Nath | nothing but trouble |
| 08:59.27 | Nath | afk |
| 08:59.44 | FlopsyPete | libgail17 - GNOME Accessibility Implementation Library -- the shared libraries |
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| 08:59.48 | liable | Nath: what do you need it for? |
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| 09:00.44 | Nath | im trying to install gyach-enhanced and slowely getting through all the errors, untill i get this message...... |
| 09:00.46 | Nath | gyach: error while loading shared libraries: libgailutil.so.16: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:01.20 | faked | TwistedEmotions: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 |
| 09:01.23 | Nath | he needs yahoo, with webcam and voice support thats all |
| 09:01.28 | faked | TwistedEmotions: gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add - |
| 09:01.35 | faked | TwistedEmotions: this worked to me |
| 09:02.12 | Nath | and I dont think wine will run yahoo messanger |
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| 09:02.54 | liable | gaim wont? |
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| 09:03.12 | Nath | no gaim only supports a chat window and a IM\ |
| 09:03.26 | Nath | and wouldnt have a clue how to install the plugins |
| 09:03.49 | FlopsyPete | liable: 'Password = no' worked. the anti-G8 medic team in Edinburgh send their copious thanks! I'll file a bug with the respective GNOME package for missing out the 'Password' section |
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| 09:03.59 | Nath | acully i dont think there are any that supports .deb |
| 09:04.15 | liable | FlopsyPete: :) |
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| 09:07.34 | Nath | Why is linux so behind in crating a yahoo messanger with the fetures that windowz has? |
| 09:08.02 | tactless | Where can I get information on the new 'trust' mechanism in apt? |
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| 09:08.23 | liable | !irritate Nath |
| 09:08.25 | dpkg | Nath: wenas how can I make my mepis werkz kthx |
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| 09:08.48 | liable | :P |
| 09:08.50 | Nath | ? |
| 09:08.55 | mathieu | liable :) |
| 09:08.57 | pinko | haha |
| 09:09.22 | Nath | Im still yet to find the user friendly bit |
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| 09:09.38 | pinko | what's wrong with gaim? |
| 09:09.56 | Stereo | security hole AFAIK |
| 09:09.59 | Nath | game doesent have voice and webcam and the rest fetures |
| 09:10.08 | Nath | gaim* |
| 09:10.16 | pinko | shows what little I know about yahoo messenger |
| 09:10.16 | pureone | stereo eh ? |
| 09:10.27 | chemaja | Nath: doesn't Yahoo! make a Linux version of their Messenger app? |
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| 09:10.35 | pureone | chemaja yes they do |
| 09:10.36 | Stereo | dunno pureone, I think I saw an advisory passing by. Might be very minor. |
| 09:10.47 | pureone | advisory for gaim ? |
| 09:10.57 | Nath | yes but gaim has more fetures, and linux version of yahoo doesent even have a chat room thing |
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| 09:11.14 | pureone | nath use use the java client for the chatroom |
| 09:11.22 | honselu | hello |
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| 09:11.53 | chealer | nath: since when is OSCAR an open protocol? |
| 09:11.55 | pinko | yahoo scarcely has a chatroom thing anymore, is what I heard |
| 09:11.57 | Eulex | I think he was trying to say hello to all 681 people in the channel :) |
| 09:11.59 | colera | i just switched from gentoo to debian! any suggestions? |
| 09:12.02 | colera | : ) |
| 09:12.08 | Nath | I tried yaelite through wine but i get a error about mozilla not having active x, but i installed it and still get the error |
| 09:12.10 | chealer | !beer colera |
| 09:12.15 | pureone | colera enjoy it is my only suggestion ;) |
| 09:12.23 | Eulex | colera, "suggestions" |
| 09:12.31 | nyterukh | hows it going this morning |
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| 09:12.42 | Eulex | ? |
| 09:12.49 | colera | great installer!! love debian so far |
| 09:12.52 | Stereo | pureone: CAN-2005-1269 and CAN-2005-1934 |
| 09:13.06 | Stereo | http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2005-1269 |
| 09:13.12 | Stereo | http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2005-1934 |
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| 09:13.30 | pureone | thanks stereo |
| 09:14.01 | Stereo | http://secunia.com/advisories/15648/ <-- pureone |
| 09:14.20 | liable | hmm zcat whinges about a file not being in gzip format, but zless works. |
| 09:14.44 | nyterukh | whats the difference |
| 09:14.49 | POVaddct | liable: gzip -tv ... ? |
| 09:14.52 | _ma | I have debian sarge. Why installation stopped in 92% "SCSI disk support" (Maxtor SATA). How to repair this? |
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| 09:15.38 | Eulex | _ma, try switching to another virtual console and see what is happening (if it's not a total lockup, that is) |
| 09:16.08 | liable | POVaddct: same |
| 09:16.12 | POVaddct | liable: hmm |
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| 09:16.29 | liable | no bugs either. |
| 09:16.38 | colera | is aptitude a front-end for apt-get or are they different managers? |
| 09:16.49 | pureone | doesnt seem like that much to worrie about, most people dont even know about gaim and if it gets real bad ill just move back to centericq |
| 09:16.50 | caphuso | colera: no, yes |
| 09:16.59 | colera | caphuso: ? |
| 09:17.03 | colera | caphuso: lol |
| 09:17.04 | Eulex | colera, different manager with diefferen databases |
| 09:17.28 | colera | Eulex: weird |
| 09:17.34 | Eulex | *different |
| 09:17.41 | caphuso | they're both frontends to APT |
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| 09:17.59 | colera | Eulex: umm so will apt-get alreadu know that all the apps i installed with aptitude are installed/ |
| 09:18.14 | Eulex | colera, yes it should |
| 09:18.27 | Granden- | tar -xjfv clown.tar.bz2 |
| 09:18.27 | Granden- | tar: v: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 09:18.27 | Granden- | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 09:18.27 | Granden- | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 09:18.27 | Granden- | tar: clown.tar.bz2: Not found in archive |
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| 09:18.52 | TwistedEmotions | faked: You there? |
| 09:18.55 | POVaddct | Granden-: tar xvjf ... |
| 09:19.03 | colera | caphuso: oh alright cool that makes more sense |
| 09:19.13 | caphuso | Granden-: pay more attention the order of your command line arguments |
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| 09:19.16 | IamwhoIam | Do you wanna get free MP3 player ? Register here :http://www.freeNezy.com/index.php?refID=8419080 |
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| 09:19.25 | Jhair | what? |
| 09:19.27 | TwistedEmotions | faked: I got the key... but the second command was incomplete... gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add - |
| 09:19.28 | nyterukh | does the order really make a difference? |
| 09:19.43 | caphuso | Granden-: "-f" wants a file name after it, so if you say "-fv", it'll look for a file "v" |
| 09:19.52 | POVaddct | afaik tar's f option must be followed by the file name |
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| 09:20.00 | Granden- | okej |
| 09:20.01 | Eulex | colera, though I've heard about some bugs... when removing packages with one of them, the other of them sometimes still believe it's still installed... so I'd suggest either only using aptitude, or only use apt-get or wrappers of apt-get, like synaptic and gnome apt |
| 09:20.06 | chemaja | Granden: as implied by tar's error output |
| 09:20.12 | caphuso | nyterukh: no, it doesn't. which is why it worked and Granden- didn't get an error message at all |
| 09:20.30 | colera | Eulex: hmm alright |
| 09:20.33 | GregoryD | where do I put the modprobe command so that it will modprobe my tv card upon bootup? |
| 09:20.35 | Granden- | I did get error message |
| 09:20.40 | Granden- | even when I change the order of them |
| 09:20.40 | nyterukh | lol i saw yer msg after i asked |
| 09:20.49 | caphuso | GregoryD: man modules |
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| 09:21.00 | liable | Granden-: file clown.tar.bz |
| 09:21.19 | liable | 2 |
| 09:21.31 | caphuso | Granden-: tar xjf clown.tar.bz2 |
| 09:21.34 | nyterukh | still learning about linux...thats why most of the time im cruising in here |
| 09:21.40 | Granden- | clown.tar.bz2: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900 |
| 09:22.06 | Granden- | didnt work |
| 09:22.14 | GregoryD | thanks, got it! |
| 09:22.26 | chemaja | nyterukh: i'm "still" learning about linux, and i've been using it for 7 years ;) |
| 09:23.07 | nyterukh | lol...so your telling me that when i turn 40 id still be learning |
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| 09:23.27 | chemaja | nyterukh: depends on your needs/interest, really |
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| 09:23.59 | Granden | Noone who know what can be wrong for me cause I sitll got the same message when I have change the order |
| 09:24.00 | nyterukh | going to set samba up..so i can share my files and also use the printer which is on a winblows box |
| 09:24.08 | camh | Im getting an lvm error: "Internal error: LV segments corrupted in tmp". How can I diagnose and fix this problem? |
| 09:24.33 | nyterukh | is samba a true network server...or just like a tunnel so two comps can talk to each other thru a router |
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| 09:24.38 | Eulex | Granden, are you sure that's the right filename? cos it says that the file doesn't exist |
| 09:24.48 | chemaja | Granden: what did you get as output for the command liable told you to run? |
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| 09:24.58 | Granden | clown.tar.bz2: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900 |
| 09:25.01 | Granden | that I did get |
| 09:25.03 | chemaja | whoos |
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| 09:25.13 | caphuso | Granden: paste the whole thing, including the command line you typed in and all output into #flood |
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| 09:25.18 | Eulex | hmm |
| 09:25.20 | faked | TwistedEmotions: did you do that as root? for me, it worked with this 2 lines |
| 09:25.21 | Granden | ok |
| 09:25.26 | chemaja | =whoops (didn't see the initial paste) |
| 09:25.34 | liable | Granden: is there a new file there? |
| 09:25.46 | faked | TwistedEmotions: try apt-get update again, maybe it worked for you too |
| 09:25.50 | Granden | where? |
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| 09:26.11 | liable | in the directory |
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| 09:26.26 | Granden | nope |
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| 09:26.50 | Granden | now I have pasted in #flood |
| 09:26.56 | cyborg | I am not using a firewall and bittorrent is downloading very slow if not downloading at all, what could be the problem? |
| 09:26.58 | dondelelcaro | Granden: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 09:27.05 | caphuso | Granden: what does "type bzip2" say? |
| 09:27.07 | dondelelcaro | Granden: then try again |
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| 09:27.36 | TwistedEmotions | faked are you sure you included the whole second line? |
| 09:28.02 | camh | cyborg: default ports blocked by ISP, maybe. Try using different ports to 6882, etc |
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| 09:28.04 | hellwolf|misty | Hi all, I want to chroot-install Debian on My FC4 box, and someone told me to use debootstrap. But I only find debootstrap's deb. Where sould go on? |
| 09:28.06 | streuner | cyborg: debian isos? |
| 09:28.29 | cyborg | na gentoo lol |
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| 09:28.55 | dondelelcaro | hellwolf|misty: there are debootstrap rpms around |
| 09:28.56 | Granden | oops |
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| 09:29.03 | Granden | after installing bzip2 it worked |
| 09:29.11 | liable | TwistedEmotions: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ read for yourself. |
| 09:29.27 | streuner | dpkg, gentoosmite cyborg |
| 09:29.31 | cyborg | im using a dlink modem and ppl are telling me to forward a port range to myself, should this apply even tho it doesn't have a firewall? |
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| 09:29.40 | hellwolf|misty | http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/debootstrap/, I found rpms here, but the warning confused me |
| 09:29.46 | POVaddct | Granden: tar calls external programs for (de)compression, that's why |
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| 09:30.05 | Granden | okej |
| 09:30.10 | dondelelcaro | hellwolf|misty: welcome to legalese 101. |
| 09:30.10 | Granden | thanks for the help |
| 09:30.13 | cyborg | its a bit faster i think |
| 09:30.49 | TwistedEmotions | liable: thanks. |
| 09:30.59 | liable | cyborg: its just a modem? |
| 09:31.05 | camh | cyborg: yes. Your dlink router has the public IP address. You'll need to forward the ports from the router to your bittorrent box. |
| 09:31.05 | Eulex | cyborg, does the router give you local addresses, like 192.168.X.X or 10.0.X.X with dhcp? |
| 09:31.31 | Eulex | cyborg, if so, it has a firewall |
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| 09:32.44 | gnraf | udev-question... where in init.d is the script that set the permissions for the newly created devices? (sarge) |
| 09:32.54 | Eulex | anyone else having problems with strange characters in the 6/24/05 news post on giantitp.com in firefox? |
| 09:32.55 | streuner | where is a keyserver for the debs in unstable? |
| 09:33.10 | Granden | are there any ftp client for linux that is simillair to FLashFXP in windows? |
| 09:33.12 | cyborg | it acually goes from modem to wireless router |
| 09:33.43 | cyborg | the router has the address 192.168.0.1 |
| 09:33.43 | cyborg | wireless^ |
| 09:34.02 | cyborg | so is it forwarded from the modem? |
| 09:34.18 | Eulex | Granden, umh, I dunno if it's similar, but gftp-gtk is a good ftp client for linux |
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| 09:35.00 | dondelelcaro | streuner: most keyservers should have the ftp archive key on it |
| 09:35.04 | pureone | anybody know where i can find documentation on configureing /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 09:35.09 | dondelelcaro | pureone: man 5 interfaces |
| 09:35.16 | pureone | thanks |
| 09:35.20 | Eulex | cyborg, everything should be forwarded from the modem, you'll have to use the web interface of the router to forward the ports |
| 09:35.23 | dondelelcaro | streuner: if not, use keys.debian.org; iirc |
| 09:35.37 | adrian_ | Hi everybody, somebody knows how to do a perl program but at .exe, i mean to compile, because perl i think can't do it, but maybe inside C yes. Im sorry, but im beginner, if somebody know about it, i would like to know, thanks a lot. |
| 09:35.37 | Granden | okej does it have FlashFXP support? |
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| 09:35.49 | bisquit | Ahem. I did, I did read the Shorewall FAQ. And I did, I did try the instructions regarding the situation . . . but for some odd reason, my local network can't connect to the internet through my Debian. |
| 09:35.52 | dondelelcaro | streuner: make that keyring.debian.org |
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| 09:36.02 | bisquit | (Updated from Woody -> Sarge, and Shorewall went along the process, and...) |
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| 09:36.11 | dondelelcaro | adrian_: it is possible to compile a perl script, but there really isn't any reason to do so. |
| 09:36.11 | Nath | If I copy every windows files to wines C drive would I be able to emulate yahoo messanger? |
| 09:36.16 | cyborg | ok yep i can access the wireless router through a webpage and i think i can forward them |
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| 09:36.29 | Eulex | Granden, "FlashFXP support"? |
| 09:36.40 | Granden | lol |
| 09:37.44 | adrian_ | you're right buddy, so do you recommend to do it everything in C? or C/C++ |
| 09:37.48 | Eulex | Nath, I'd suggest keeping it on the windows drive and running it from there |
| 09:38.08 | dondelelcaro | adrian_: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 09:39.35 | Nath | I have windows installed on my laptop, can I use wine to run it from there? |
| 09:40.03 | bisquit | ls |
| 09:40.07 | bisquit | oops |
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| 09:40.12 | Shay | -la |
| 09:40.18 | bisquit | :P |
| 09:40.19 | POVaddct | | less |
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| 09:40.28 | Nath | acully networks screwed with linux, im emulating remote administrator |
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| 09:40.28 | theb0y | hello, how am I able to check in perl if a file is currently being written? |
| 09:40.33 | Eulex | Nath, | grep shit |
| 09:40.39 | Eulex | oh, -Nath |
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| 09:40.49 | Guerin | theb0y: #perl |
| 09:40.53 | adrian_ | im just 17, i love techonoly, my second language is english, but im learning yet, okay? so i wanna learn everything i can learn about it, like programming. I know little bit about all programming languages but im not master in someone in special. that's it (I wanna be good about it) im beginner i know it, but i wanna be better, 'cause i love computer scienc. |
| 09:40.55 | theb0y | Guerin: they don't anwser |
| 09:41.04 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 09:41.04 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 09:41.10 | Granden | my internet connection is being dropped every 30 minutes and I think it has somehting to do with debian |
| 09:41.10 | nornagon | Can I download the minimal bootable CD image, use it to install a minimal system, then install ndiswrapper and go from there? |
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| 09:41.14 | Nath | I really dont have much time to get this working |
| 09:41.16 | Granden | cause it set renewl to 1800 |
| 09:41.20 | Granden | and that is 30 minutes |
| 09:41.28 | Granden | how do I change that its for my ip the renewl is 1800 |
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| 09:41.45 | akira675 | hi all |
| 09:41.53 | Eulex | nornagon, sure |
| 09:42.08 | nornagon | Eulex: Cool. What does the minimal install contain?> |
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| 09:42.39 | pureone | finaly i can stop using dhcp |
| 09:42.42 | adrian_ | I exactly want to learn it, and being good, i hope that. but i learn alone it, without school, only books |
| 09:42.53 | Eulex | nornagon, it contains a base installation... you'd have to burn ndiswrapper and your files to a cd and then install them... why not just use your wired net |
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| 09:43.04 | nornagon | I don't have wired net. |
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| 09:43.07 | akira675 | is there anyone here able to help me with sound config on sarge? |
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| 09:43.42 | liable | Granden: in the clients .conf |
| 09:43.55 | Granden | what? |
| 09:43.56 | zyg | who can tell me where to get a deb package contend 8139too driver which can work in kernel 2.6? thanks |
| 09:44.19 | Eulex | zyg: 8139too is built into kernel 2.6 |
| 09:44.19 | xoz | zyg: 8139too is in 2.6 |
| 09:44.27 | xoz | zyg: been using it |
| 09:44.30 | Nath | Ok iv installed yahoo using wine, but theres something really wron I think its got something to do with regedit |
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| 09:44.31 | Granden | liable whihc client conf? |
| 09:44.40 | liable | Granden: /etc/dhclient.conf, read the man page too, and look at your router. |
| 09:44.40 | xoz | zyg: just modprobe 8139too |
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| 09:45.07 | zyg | oh ,it is that,thanks. |
| 09:45.09 | Eulex | nornagon, don't have wired net? well, if you absolutely can't get wired net, only option is to install from netinstall, then burning ndiswrapper and the windows driver files to a cd... |
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| 09:45.22 | Granden | I dont have a router |
| 09:45.29 | xoz | Nath: try gaim. it can do yahoo messenger |
| 09:45.32 | nornagon | Eulex: cool, I already have them on a CD, I believe. |
| 09:45.41 | Eulex | !tell akira675 about anyone |
| 09:45.45 | nornagon | I have CD1-4 of 3.0_r2 |
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| 09:45.53 | nornagon | I might download the upgrade cds |
| 09:45.59 | Eulex | Granden, then how do you get dhcp? |
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| 09:46.03 | Nath | yea, but theres no voice in chat and now webcam fetures |
| 09:46.07 | Granden | from my isp |
| 09:46.11 | Granden | I have a dynamic ip |
| 09:46.17 | Nath | thats all I need to keep this guy happy |
| 09:46.36 | Nath | other then that, ill have to reinstall windowz |
| 09:46.38 | zyg | xoz: could you tell me it 's which deb package that contend 8139too? |
| 09:47.09 | Eulex | nornagon, you do not want to install 3.0_r2, it's 3 years old |
| 09:47.15 | nornagon | yes |
| 09:47.17 | nornagon | exactly |
| 09:47.18 | xoz | zyg: no deb package. the kernel has it.. if you're compiling your own kernel, make sure you enable it. |
| 09:47.23 | nornagon | that's why I want to download the update images. |
| 09:47.29 | Eulex | zyg: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 etc |
| 09:47.31 | Granden | I think Im gonna connect through my router instead |
| 09:47.40 | Granden | how do I renew my ip |
| 09:47.42 | Granden | manually |
| 09:47.50 | Granden | I have always restarted my computer |
| 09:47.55 | Eulex | Granden, pump or dhclient |
| 09:48.00 | bisquit | Any heads up to why my other computer can't connect to the internet through my Debian&Shorewall? (I did try the Shorewall FAQ but it didn't do me any good...) |
| 09:48.09 | Eulex | Granden, linux doesn't need restarts |
| 09:48.09 | liable | Granden: ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 |
| 09:48.17 | Nath | okly other option is to get gyach running, with supports all these fetures |
| 09:48.18 | iLLf8d | Granden, it'll probably pickup the same ip unless you change your hw mac |
| 09:48.24 | pureone | bisquit try trouble shoting with tcpdump |
| 09:48.27 | gnraf | Eulex, what is pump ? |
| 09:48.33 | zyg | but i cannt't drive the ethernet in kernel 2.6.x, it shows eth0 encap:UNSPEC |
| 09:48.37 | Eulex | gnraf, a dhcp client |
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| 09:48.46 | Nath | but still linux gives me errors on 1 file I canot find |
| 09:48.46 | gnraf | thnx |
| 09:48.50 | Granden | Im gnna connect to the router |
| 09:49.04 | Granden | as my dad and brother have |
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| 09:49.10 | Granden | Im the only one directly to the modem |
| 09:49.22 | Nath | could someone send me the file libgailutil.so.16 please |
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| 09:50.14 | Eulex | Granden, the first few days I had broadband I connected into the modem, and it was *extremely* buggy, so I bought a router and now it works ok |
| 09:50.17 | zulkifar | Does anybody with PPPoE or dialup connection successfuly use "-chap" option? |
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| 09:50.47 | zyg | xoz:but i cann't drive the ehternet int kernel 2.6.x,it shows eth0 encap:UNSPEC,do you know why |
| 09:50.59 | faked | TwistedEmotions: yes, the whole second line |
| 09:51.33 | Eulex | zyg, are you sure that's the driver you want? |
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| 09:52.03 | akira675 | is there anyone here able to help me with sound config on sarge? |
| 09:52.08 | xoz | zyg: are you sure 8139too is the right driver? lsmod and check if 8139too is there |
| 09:52.12 | zyg | yes,it worked well before, but can not now |
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| 09:52.20 | Fleck | hi all i have problem with DNS .. when i do host domain - works fast! but with the same domain when i do telnet domain 80 takes long time to resolv ... when i do telnet ip 80 works fast! |
| 09:52.30 | xoz | zyg: is it loaded? |
| 09:52.30 | liable | !yell akira675 about smart questions |
| 09:52.31 | Fleck | and so every time, where is my problem ? |
| 09:52.48 | zyg | lsmod and lspci ,the 8139toos are all there ... |
| 09:52.57 | Eulex | akira675, maybe, but that is a poll, not a question. what is your question? |
| 09:53.11 | xoz | zyg: what does iwconfig say? |
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| 09:53.25 | Eulex | xoz, that is a wired nic, afaik |
| 09:53.26 | zyg | yes ,it's loaded. but the 8139too works well in kerenl 2.4 |
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| 09:53.43 | Eulex | zyg, what kernel version? |
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| 09:53.58 | akira675 | which is the sound conf file? |
| 09:54.00 | ufoalien | zxy: 8139too works fine on most kernel version |
| 09:54.03 | zyg | ifconfig : eth0 link encap:UNSPEC 00:00:xx |
| 09:54.06 | ufoalien | btw, hi Eulex |
| 09:54.07 | xoz | zyg: works for me in 2.6 and 2.4 |
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| 09:54.21 | Eulex | hi ufoalien |
| 09:54.29 | zyg | so did i,but not now for me,heh |
| 09:54.30 | xoz | zyg: try module-assistant and install hostap |
| 09:54.34 | chealer | nath: how do you know that gyach has these features? |
| 09:54.41 | Eulex | ufoalien: http://eulex.0nyx.com/inspiron6000.html :) |
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| 09:55.03 | Nath | it says it on there website |
| 09:55.08 | Eulex | akira675, why not just run alsaconf? |
| 09:55.32 | xoz | !alsaconf |
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| 09:55.46 | Nath | I converter there rpm package to .deb and run kpackage and I get 1 missing file that I canot find anywere on the WWW |
| 09:55.51 | chealer | nath: where's that website? |
| 09:56.05 | xoz | !bless Nath |
| 09:56.06 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Nath, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 09:56.06 | zyg | xoz:well then, i'll try.hope i can see you on my PC in kernel 2.6 after a while.bye,i'll reboot |
| 09:56.07 | Eulex | akira675, alsaconf will probably detect your snd card and configure it automatically |
| 09:56.10 | akira675 | Eulex: alsaconf:command not found |
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| 09:56.23 | Eulex | akira675, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 09:56.25 | Nath | http://freshmeat.net/projects/gyachenhanced/ |
| 09:56.26 | transgress | okay i am using a vonage router and getting bad latency... the handbook suggests turning off auto-negotiation, and telling the card to act as a 10mbit card... i was gonna give this a try, but i'm not sure on how to do either |
| 09:56.29 | transgress | suggestions? |
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| 09:56.57 | ufoalien | Eulex: cool :) I'm doing the same for my notebook, but it's quite the same as the w1n, and there' already a site for it. I'm also trying to write a driver for the ricoh card reader, but don't know if i am successfull :) |
| 09:57.32 | akira675 | Eulex: tryin.. |
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| 09:57.47 | Eulex | ufoalien, kewl :) you've got one of those ricoh sd readers too? btw, what kind of notebook have you got? |
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| 09:58.22 | POVaddct | Eulex: i also have a ricoh card reader in my notebook. no driver found so far. |
| 09:58.38 | Nath | Iv spent 4 days on this, and my mates jumping up and down..... and bah im tired |
| 09:58.44 | Eulex | ufoalien, the touchpad sections needs updating in my doc, I yesterday successfully made it disable itself while typing |
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| 09:59.18 | ufoalien | Eulex: I've got the Asus W1G, and I think it's a speciality of asus to make displays which doesn't work correctly :/ |
| 09:59.35 | ufoalien | Eulex: and yes, I've also got one of this ricoh chips |
| 09:59.36 | Eulex | heh... :( |
| 09:59.46 | takisd | does anyone know where the xserver would get resolutions from other than /etc/X11/XF86config-4 file? it keeps coming up with some resolutions not in the file. |
| 10:00.13 | ufoalien | xorg.conf *duck* |
| 10:00.31 | Eulex | takisd, then maybe it's unable to set the resolution you want and try another one? btw, what resolution? some require modelines |
| 10:00.34 | akira675 | Eulex: ok i did aptitute install alsa-base etc.. and then alsaconf |
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| 10:01.00 | Shay | !tell cratos about root |
| 10:01.00 | akira675 | the debugging was ok, but i still don't hear anything |
| 10:01.22 | ptlis | Ugh, PHILIPS is a join spammer. |
| 10:01.31 | takisd | Eulex: i have modelines in there for it. its on a laptop. i have 1024x768 and am trying to get more. i ran suse live cd and got it running in there. went back to debian and no go |
| 10:01.36 | ufoalien | Eulex: does the sound card work for you? |
| 10:01.59 | Eulex | akira675, check the mixer... anyway, does it look like it can output sound (ie you get no error) |
| 10:02.00 | ufoalien | Eulex: my soundcard has got a bad support, no internal pcm mixer |
| 10:02.30 | akira675 | Eulex: no sorry, there was a wrong setting, now it works..thank u Eulex ! |
| 10:02.33 | Eulex | takisd: maybe you could have saved your suse config? also, knoppix is known to have to auto-detection of vide modes |
| 10:02.34 | chealer | nath: maybe you could try installing libgail16 |
| 10:02.38 | Eulex | akira675, :) |
| 10:02.55 | Nath | ok...... 1 sec |
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| 10:03.01 | takisd | Eulex: yep... did that from the suse one. copied the relevant bits and still no go. |
| 10:03.23 | Eulex | ufoalien, works very well and has only one problem... master doesn't affect the sound |
| 10:03.25 | takisd | Eulex: also, i checked loaded modules - all same |
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| 10:03.38 | Eulex | takisd, same or different version of X? |
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| 10:03.51 | Eulex | takisd, then, what driver? |
| 10:03.52 | Nath | would that be on the site? |
| 10:04.02 | takisd | Eulex: it was suse 9.0 so an slightly older version than my etch install |
| 10:04.08 | takisd | Eulex: i810 |
| 10:04.17 | chealer | nath: which one? |
| 10:04.21 | liable | !ops PHILIPS onjoin pornbot |
| 10:04.22 | POVaddct | Eulex, ufoalien: http://84.179.106.176:11816/ |
| 10:04.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: PHILIPS onjoin pornbot |
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| 10:04.42 | ufoalien | Eulex: but which mixer do you use! |
| 10:04.46 | Eulex | takisd, tried 855resolution or whatever it's called? |
| 10:05.02 | Eulex | ufoalien, setmixer & the xfce alsa mixer |
| 10:05.06 | takisd | Eulex: yep... have that running also... no go... pulling my hair out... |
| 10:05.11 | ufoalien | Eulex: ok thx |
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| 10:05.41 | Nath | looking for libgail16 |
| 10:05.44 | ufoalien | POVaddct: nice :) |
| 10:05.45 | ufoalien | cu |
| 10:05.59 | Eulex | POVaddct, oooo, mini-laptop |
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| 10:06.14 | POVaddct | ufoalien: yeah, i washed i too hot :) |
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| 10:06.21 | Eulex | hehe |
| 10:06.30 | POVaddct | s/i/it |
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| 10:07.03 | POVaddct | Eulex: it has no floppy, no cdrom |
| 10:07.23 | Eulex | POVaddct, that explains quite a lot... |
| 10:07.33 | hellz | hi , does any body has linksys wap54G enterprise mib and does it supports ieeedot11 mib? |
| 10:07.48 | POVaddct | Eulex: fortunately it boots from ethernet or usb floppy |
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| 10:08.39 | Eulex | !tell hellz about poll |
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| 10:09.30 | hellz | i am sorry? |
| 10:09.36 | mortum | PHILIPS send spam when anybody join this chanel |
| 10:09.51 | liable | mortum: ops have been notified. |
| 10:09.53 | TheReverant_ | yeah |
| 10:09.53 | Nath | I canot find libgail16 Is it a package, or a file |
| 10:10.09 | TheReverant_ | "Free Porno Videos" |
| 10:10.14 | mortum | liable: ok |
| 10:10.16 | liable | Nath: try libgail-dev |
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| 10:10.21 | Eulex | hellz, what is your question? |
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| 10:10.30 | Nath | k |
| 10:10.46 | liable | Nath: only a blind guess though :P |
| 10:10.46 | Duelist | How do you get in touch with the IRC operators on this net? |
| 10:10.58 | liable | Duelist: /j #freenode |
| 10:11.02 | zyg | xoz:i am in kernel 2.6 now ,ha |
| 10:11.04 | Duelist | doh, of course |
| 10:11.08 | Nath | ok, downloading the package, ill install that too..................... |
| 10:11.11 | liable | Duelist: for spambots? |
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| 10:11.26 | hellz | Eulex; we are designing a snmp manager in linux for managing linksys wap54 g models, but unfortunately we couldn't get the right mib. we have actually created a community network |
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| 10:11.38 | hellz | i thought some guys might have that mib |
| 10:11.39 | Duelist | liable: it's not just in this channel |
| 10:12.03 | liable | Duelist: sure try #freenode then, hopefully they can kline it. |
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| 10:12.05 | chealer | nath: it's a[n obsolete] package |
| 10:12.10 | aidehua | After upgrading to sarge's firefox, there is a big latency between me typing a character and the char being displayed. I can't think of a way to describe this to google to try and find answers. |
| 10:12.11 | hellz | interesting is that linksys support center doesn't know about it |
| 10:12.39 | Duelist | Spambots suck. I hate the damn things with a passion. |
| 10:12.59 | Eulex | hellz, mib? |
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| 10:13.06 | liable | aidehua: check top and see if anything is eating mem (even firefox) |
| 10:13.11 | ercin | is anyone successfull to build java deb package with latest updated version? |
| 10:13.16 | hellz | management information base |
| 10:13.17 | Nath | na nothing but errors, why can ppl make a package with every file encluded grrrr |
| 10:13.22 | Nath | cant* |
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| 10:14.33 | Eulex | hellz, sorry, I have no idea what that is... |
| 10:14.46 | hellz | that;s ok |
| 10:15.04 | zyg | xoz: i found why, it 's because ehernet is to eth0 in 2.4 but to eth1 in 2.6. the eth0 is being used by 1394 card. and so my interfaces file can only work in kernel 2.4 but not in 2.6 |
| 10:15.07 | chealer | Nath: they include very file files from their package |
| 10:15.16 | chealer | nath: which errors, when? |
| 10:15.33 | chealer | s/very/every |
| 10:15.46 | Eulex | zyg: blacklist the 1394 net module |
| 10:15.49 | cratos | I have big issues with Debian 3.1 on DEC Alpha, it keeps on core dumping. |
| 10:16.12 | Nath | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libgail-dev: |
| 10:16.25 | Nath | list goes on |
| 10:16.37 | drac | Nath: apt-get -f install ? |
| 10:16.42 | zyg | Eulex: oh, how to configure? |
| 10:16.45 | Nath | na kpackage |
| 10:16.47 | acidcore_ | i pasted compile lines in #flood, anyone can help me on this ? |
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| 10:17.00 | chealer | nath: when doing what? |
| 10:17.10 | Nath | installing |
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| 10:17.29 | nornagon | what's the difference between businesscard images and netinst images? |
| 10:17.29 | liable | zyg: look at ifrename package too. |
| 10:17.31 | chealer | nath: installing what? libgail-dev? |
| 10:17.41 | Eulex | !tell zyg about blacklist |
| 10:17.45 | Nath | libgail-dev_1.8.4-1_i386.deb |
| 10:17.51 | VoX | hi, i've just installed an nvidia 5200, got x working, but no GL screensavers work. what could be the issue? |
| 10:18.17 | chealer | acidcore_: not if we can't see these lines. IRC isn't jabber |
| 10:18.36 | chealer | VoX: is direct rendering working? |
| 10:18.48 | VoX | chealer: how would i test? |
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| 10:18.58 | chealer | nath: so what? did you try installing libgail16 yet? |
| 10:19.01 | zyg | well,thanks lot. i'll try it |
| 10:19.07 | drac | VoX: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 10:19.09 | acidcore_ | hm , i pasted them ... sec |
| 10:19.09 | Nath | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.12 | chealer | VoX: $ glxinfo|grep direct |
| 10:19.12 | Nath | I |
| 10:19.13 | mortum | VoX: glxinfo | grep irect |
| 10:19.17 | liable | acidcore_: only a warning, does it work? |
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| 10:19.27 | acidcore_ | um ? |
| 10:19.36 | chealer | nath: it's not a file, it's a[n obsolete] *package* |
| 10:19.39 | VoX | Error: unable to open display (null) |
| 10:19.48 | Fleck | PHILIPS = spamer - BAN HIM! |
| 10:19.48 | VoX | i guess that's a no |
| 10:20.04 | Nath | ok so how can I install it if it doesent exist |
| 10:20.17 | chealer | nath: get it from snapshot.debian.net |
| 10:20.55 | VoX | ok, so how do i enable direct rendering? |
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| 10:21.20 | chealer | VoX: are you ssh-d on that machine or something like that? |
| 10:21.28 | VoX | nope |
| 10:21.38 | VoX | ran it from an xterm |
| 10:21.43 | nornagon | what's the difference between businesscard images and netinst images? |
| 10:21.56 | liable | nornagon: size :P |
| 10:21.57 | nornagon | is it just that netinst comes with more packages? |
| 10:22.01 | nornagon | :P |
| 10:22.09 | azeem | nornagon: netinst has base on it |
| 10:22.10 | Nath | ok I see gail_1.8.4.orig.tar.gz but I dont think any of these files run or install on here |
| 10:22.19 | nornagon | azeem: 'base'? |
| 10:22.30 | liable | nornagon: netinst can install base system, business just basically boots and gets from net |
| 10:22.40 | azeem | nornagon: so you theoretically can get ADSL and things working with that CD and doN't need to download more stuff |
| 10:22.40 | chealer | VoX: are you doing it as root? |
| 10:22.42 | nornagon | ah, okay. |
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| 10:22.52 | tetsuo69 | hi all guys |
| 10:22.56 | VoX | chealer: no |
| 10:23.00 | nornagon | I'll get netinst then, because I don't have wired net. |
| 10:23.11 | liable | nornagon: dial up? |
| 10:23.13 | chealer | nath: no, that's a source package. you need a libgail16 .deb |
| 10:23.22 | nornagon | liable: wireless. |
| 10:23.32 | nornagon | it's hell. |
| 10:23.34 | liable | nornagon: get iso1 |
| 10:23.39 | chealer | VoX: are you doing it as the X user? |
| 10:23.39 | z|bandito | hi |
| 10:23.40 | nornagon | why? |
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| 10:23.41 | trueno | Do I have dma enabled if "hdparm -d1 /dev/hda" fails and "hdparm -i /dev/hda" reports udma4 is the current active mode? |
| 10:23.48 | nornagon | What I have isn't supported by prism54 |
| 10:23.57 | ercin | no one tried to install jre update4 ? |
| 10:24.00 | liable | nornagon: cause the base install wont get your wireless working. |
| 10:24.07 | nornagon | I got the V2 of the card, most annoyingly |
| 10:24.09 | VoX | chealer: how do you mean as the x-user? |
| 10:24.14 | Eulex | !tell ercin about anyone |
| 10:24.15 | azeem | nornagon: the base system still isn't really sufficient to install a full Debian system |
| 10:24.15 | z|bandito | whats the syntax for issuing multiple sequential commands in a single line? |
| 10:24.15 | nornagon | liable: Either will iso1 |
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| 10:24.20 | azeem | it would be very barebone |
| 10:24.25 | liable | nornagon: you may even need iso2 too |
| 10:24.32 | tetsuo69 | need help with mount!:( |
| 10:24.33 | Nath | File does not exist: /org/packages.qa.debian.org/www/web/libg/libgail16.html |
| 10:24.37 | chealer | VoX: I meant the user which is running xterm |
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| 10:24.45 | VoX | chealer: yep |
| 10:24.45 | nornagon | liable: I don't. Nothing except ndiswrapper works with my card. |
| 10:25.09 | liable | nornagon: afaik ndiswrapper isnt on the base sytem |
| 10:25.15 | nornagon | right |
| 10:25.17 | nornagon | I have it on a CD |
| 10:25.37 | liable | nornagon: you need to get wireless-tools as well |
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| 10:25.49 | chealer | VoX: does launching a terminal from that shell work? |
| 10:25.51 | nornagon | Cool, will do. Thanks :) |
| 10:25.57 | tetsuo69 | need help with mount!:( |
| 10:26.11 | nornagon | tetsuo69: that's not a very specific question. |
| 10:26.16 | nornagon | read mount --help |
| 10:26.18 | nornagon | read man mount |
| 10:26.21 | liable | tetsuo69: read the man page |
| 10:26.28 | nornagon | then come back if you're still struggling |
| 10:26.32 | tetsuo69 | nornagon: can't mount ntfs |
| 10:26.33 | gnraf | tetsuo69, mount what? |
| 10:26.34 | chealer | nath: are you trying to get the package from packages.d.o/packages.qa.d.o or form snapshot.d.n? |
| 10:26.44 | tetsuo69 | nornagon: get the messagewrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, |
| 10:26.44 | tetsuo69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.44 | tetsuo69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.45 | tetsuo69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.45 | VoX | chealer: as in launching another xterm from within the exisiting xterm? |
| 10:26.45 | tetsuo69 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:26.56 | chealer | VoX: yes |
| 10:27.02 | nornagon | do you have the modules you need for ntfs? |
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| 10:27.05 | liable | tetsuo69: and learn to ask better questions, need help isnt usefull |
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| 10:27.16 | Nath | snapshot |
| 10:27.38 | Nath | http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi |
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| 10:27.49 | VoX | chealer: no, says it can't connect to the x server |
| 10:27.51 | tetsuo69 | nornagon: that's my problem, which are those modules? |
| 10:28.11 | nornagon | tetsuo69: apt-cache search ntfs |
| 10:28.13 | chealer | VoX: try starting another shell and run glxinfo from it |
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| 10:28.25 | tetsuo69 | nornagon: doing.. |
| 10:28.46 | lamp_ | my pc crashs always at the end of a cd burning with k3b |
| 10:29.01 | liable | tetsuo69: read the message, try hda2 |
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| 10:29.46 | Nath | is there a place that have all files, so I can just download the one I want |
| 10:29.58 | Nath | coz this is so wrong |
| 10:30.21 | dondelelcaro | Nath: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:30.35 | Nath | find 1 file called libgailutil.so.16 |
| 10:30.49 | VoX | chealer: i just worked it out. hadn't added myself to the "video" group |
| 10:31.00 | Nath | and then wait for the next error |
| 10:31.02 | chealer | VoX: aha :) |
| 10:31.16 | tetsuo69 | nornagon: could it be libntfs-deb? |
| 10:31.18 | chealer | VoX: just curious, which release are you using? |
| 10:31.29 | VoX | chealer: sid |
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| 10:31.35 | chealer | ur |
| 10:31.37 | tarzeau | dpkg plussy is http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=plussy.jpg&category=Drinks&date=2003-10-10 |
| 10:31.37 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 10:31.47 | tetsuo69 | nornagon: theres a long list of packages with ntfs |
| 10:31.48 | dondelelcaro | !+find libgailutil.so |
| 10:31.49 | nornagon | tetsuo69: very possibly |
| 10:31.50 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 10:31.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libgailutil.so' (3): (/usr/lib/libgailutil.so) in libdevel/libgail-dev ;; (/usr/lib/debug/libgailutil.so.17.0.3) in libdevel/libgail-dbg ;; (/usr/lib/{libgailutil.so.17|libgailutil.so.17.0.3}) in libs/libgail17. |
| 10:31.56 | nornagon | tetsuo69: Sorry, I have to go now. |
| 10:32.00 | Nath | root@box:~# gyach |
| 10:32.00 | Nath | gyach: error while loading shared libraries: libgailutil.so.16: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:32.00 | Nath | root@box:~# |
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| 10:32.10 | thd | Is the ppp persist option broken in sarge or did a security change a few months ago disable its function? How can I restore functionality for ppp persist? |
| 10:32.11 | nornagon | tetsuo69: I suggest you be a bit more precise next time you ask a question :) |
| 10:32.13 | icyfire0573 | is there a set limit on the number of files a program can have open? |
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| 10:32.15 | tetsuo69 | thank u nornagon :)ù |
| 10:32.19 | dondelelcaro | Nath: clearly, you're looking for libgail16 |
| 10:32.46 | Nath | so thats what the error means |
| 10:33.07 | Nath | and searched for libgail16 and canot find it anywere |
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| 10:33.48 | chealer | nath: it *should* be there http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2002/06/15/debian/pool/main/g/gail/ ... |
| 10:33.59 | dondelelcaro | !info libgail16 woody |
| 10:34.17 | RainbowW | is there a way to tell why eth0 is coming up with a 10mb link on a hub that doesn't support 10mb connections? |
| 10:34.33 | chealer | but since it's not, I guess you may try to compile gail 0.16 |
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| 10:34.46 | dondelelcaro | well, far better to recompile whatever is linking against v16 |
| 10:35.03 | chealer | he's trying to compile it |
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| 10:35.16 | dondelelcaro | chealer: no, he's trying to run it |
| 10:35.20 | chealer | wait, he's trying to install it, sorry |
| 10:35.33 | Nath | when searching for that file I get to gail_1.8.4.orig.tar.gz and a heep more |
| 10:35.59 | Nath | snapshot.debian.net package=libgail16? |
| 10:36.00 | chealer | yeah, I guess recompiling gyach-extended is what you should try |
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| 10:36.38 | cozwei | how can i change the partitions? |
| 10:36.51 | jethro | change what? |
| 10:36.55 | liable | change them how? |
| 10:37.11 | transgress | hey is it okay to delete the home and computer icon off of the desktop or is there a better way to remove them? |
| 10:37.22 | transgress | in gnome that is |
| 10:37.27 | Nath | Would mandrake be any better |
| 10:37.32 | cozwei | i doesn't have enough space on /var/cache /apt/archives |
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| 10:37.46 | trueno | Do I have dma enabled if "hdparm -d1 /dev/hda" fails and "hdparm -i /dev/hda" reports udma4 is the current active mode? |
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| 10:38.55 | chealer | nath: keep in mind, the last update to gyach-enhanced was over a year. most closed IM protocols like MSN can't be expected to be backward-compatible with third-party clients after so long |
| 10:39.02 | RainbowW | what controls whether a realtek 8139 links at 10 or 100mb? i've got one linking at 10 on a hub that doesn't support 10 (and throughput SUUUUUCKS). |
| 10:39.27 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: any hub will support 10M |
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| 10:39.39 | Nath | I wish I could make this software myself |
| 10:39.45 | chealer | Nath: so you'd probably be recompiling for nothing. but you could always ask #gaim whether they think a 1 year old gaim would work with aim |
| 10:39.52 | Ich | what's the command to bring back a command from ctrl z? |
| 10:39.53 | cozwei | jethro: i doesn't have enough space on /var/cache/apt/archives and want to change the partition sizes. how can i see the used space on the partitions anyway? |
| 10:40.03 | caphuso | Ich: fg |
| 10:40.10 | Ich | thank you |
| 10:40.10 | rik__ | Hello guys 'n gals. Anyway to stop etherape feeding back when running over a ssh please? The manual mentions filters, but no the format/location of filter file! |
| 10:40.12 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: however, realtek 8139 are widely regarded to be the shittiest network cards ever made. Try switching cables. |
| 10:40.37 | trueno | cozwei: df |
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| 10:41.22 | cyborg | where do firefox plugins go? |
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| 10:41.34 | Nath | I canot beleive there is no software or small written programs that support yahoo voice, that I find is really screwed up |
| 10:41.39 | cozwei | trueno: do you know how i can change my partition sizes? |
| 10:41.57 | Nath | what is Linux OS for? |
| 10:42.04 | RainbowW | dondelelcaro: my 3com linkbuilder fms 100 will not link at 10. |
| 10:42.04 | cozwei | trueno: isn't there a program like partition magic? |
| 10:42.07 | chealer | Nath: there's one, Yahoo! messenger |
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| 10:42.18 | chealer | Nath: linux isn't an OS |
| 10:42.28 | RainbowW | in any event, that doesn't answer my question. :) |
| 10:42.31 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you using the latest libapache-gallery-perl? i was having problem with some pictures again after the upgrade so i went back to 0.9.1-3 |
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| 10:42.35 | kl1 | hi |
| 10:42.38 | Nath | yes but its worse then gaim, all you get is a buddy list and a pm box |
| 10:42.39 | kl1 | any one knows the command to see the speed procesor? |
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| 10:42.43 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I using whatever is in sarge, actually |
| 10:42.49 | deadcat | kl1: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 10:42.58 | kl1 | thanks :) |
| 10:43.03 | dondelelcaro | I think, anyway... it could be a custom version |
| 10:43.12 | Nath | ok vmware, that emulates windows? |
| 10:43.20 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: then that might be the good version i guess. |
| 10:43.27 | deadcat | Nath: sure |
| 10:43.28 | piernik | What can be the reason that I can't log into system usung kdm? I can't type any letter in the logging splash |
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| 10:43.35 | caphuso | Nath: no |
| 10:43.35 | Nath | iv emulated this linux in widows using it |
| 10:43.45 | caphuso | Nath: no, you didn't |
| 10:43.46 | deadcat | Nath: good for you. |
| 10:43.48 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: the hardware is capable, although it is possible to keep it from linking at a specific speed. |
| 10:44.00 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: eitherway, miitool is the typical method of doing that. |
| 10:44.32 | deadcat | damn cant believe the topic hasnt changed in almost a month. what the f |
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| 10:44.58 | Eulex | Nath: you need to be tought some free software mentality. if it's broken, fix it. or: if the feature doesn't exist, implement it yourself. that's the quickest way of getting. also, you could file an enhancement request, but that'd take longer |
| 10:45.07 | chealer | deadcat: it reads "SID IS ONCE AGAIN LITERALLY UNSTABLE" now instead of featuring a b0rken list |
| 10:45.26 | Nath | would I have software creation stuff on here? |
| 10:45.34 | deadcat | chealer: and its still unstable (= i have lots of pkgs taht arent being upgraded yet |
| 10:45.56 | Eulex | Nath: "software creation stuff"? |
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| 10:46.02 | deadcat | chealer: i was hoping for "X.org is in sid!!!" (= |
| 10:46.12 | Nath | yea something that will make a yahoo messanger |
| 10:46.12 | chealer | deadcat: perhaps is a few months, they'll uncapitalize about the sarge release :) |
| 10:46.17 | chealer | s/is/in |
| 10:46.42 | chealer | Nath: yep, try $ automaticallycreatetheappIhaveinmind |
| 10:46.45 | Eulex | Nath: you mean a c compiler and lotsa coding? :P |
| 10:46.53 | Eulex | chealer: lol |
| 10:47.04 | Nath | :(( |
| 10:47.18 | chealer | alternatively, $ automaticallycreatetheappIhaveinmind --andreverseengineerclosedprotocol |
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| 10:47.31 | Eulex | that's even better :) |
| 10:48.30 | garo | When I update a package in gentoo, the old configfiles stay and the new get a other name and then I can run etc-update to see the differences and merge them together. Is there something like this in debian ? |
| 10:48.53 | liable | yes, apt asks you. |
| 10:48.59 | caphuso | dpkg does |
| 10:48.59 | dpkg | somebody said does was the present third singular of do |
| 10:49.07 | caphuso | stupid bot |
| 10:49.18 | garo | k, thanks |
| 10:49.30 | chealer | !stupid bot |
| 10:49.30 | dpkg | no, stupid chealer |
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| 10:49.49 | chealer | wow, a Miranda user |
| 10:49.55 | Nath | ok Kdevelope? that a start? |
| 10:50.28 | deadcat | miranda? pussy |
| 10:50.38 | cozwei | doesn't anybody know a partition program for debian? |
| 10:50.47 | gnraf | cfdisk |
| 10:50.47 | liable | cozwei: qtparted |
| 10:50.48 | Duelist | "partition program"? |
| 10:50.48 | deadcat | cfdisk |
| 10:50.59 | cozwei | liable: thx |
| 10:51.16 | liable | cozwei: not in stable, or testing, but on knoppix etc |
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| 10:51.55 | gnraf | hmm... in some way one can use cat as a "partition program"... ;-) |
| 10:51.55 | thd | What security function might have broken both the persist and demand options in pppconfig for sarge 2 or 3 months ago? |
| 10:51.56 | cozwei | liable: where can i find it to install in sarge? |
| 10:52.33 | liable | cozwei: what do you want to do? resize? |
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| 10:52.38 | caphuso | thd: what does "dpkg -l ppp | tail -1" say? |
| 10:53.05 | deadcat | tail -n 1 i think. |
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| 10:53.59 | cozwei | liable: my /var partition an d my /srv partition |
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| 10:54.10 | trueno | cozwei: try fdisk. |
| 10:54.21 | trueno | Do I have dma enabled if "hdparm -d1 /dev/hda" fails and "hdparm -i /dev/hda" reports udma4 is the current active mode? |
| 10:54.35 | cozwei | liable: strange! df shows /dev/hda8 as /var, cfdisk shows /dev/hda8 as Linux swap |
| 10:54.36 | thd | caphuso: ii ppp 2.4.3-20050321 Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon |
| 10:54.43 | caphuso | damn... |
| 10:55.04 | caphuso | thd: do "COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l | tail -1" |
| 10:55.14 | cozwei | trueno: no, i need a gui for that |
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| 10:55.27 | liable | cozwei: no |
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| 10:55.32 | gnraf | cozwei, a gui?? |
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| 10:55.40 | trueno | cozwei: no clue then |
| 10:55.54 | trueno | gotta go, bye! |
| 10:55.55 | Teufel | I just installed debian, but how can I get more screen resolutions? |
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| 10:56.01 | Nath | windows it is |
| 10:56.09 | liable | cozwei: http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 10:56.19 | cozwei | gnraf: yes, i don't know the exact cylinders on my partitions to change the partition table manually |
| 10:57.19 | cozwei | liable: looks good, thx |
| 10:57.39 | cmihai | Holy SHIT |
| 10:57.45 | cmihai | www.vectorlinux.com: "SpyKids Ownz Your Box .... Never Stop ...... From Brasil" |
| 10:58.03 | cmihai | loooooooooooool |
| 10:58.05 | Teufel | How can I get my debian box to recognize more screen resolutions? |
| 10:58.10 | cmihai | Looks like vector linux got owned ;) |
| 10:58.10 | chealer | !drxx Teufel |
| 10:58.12 | dpkg | Teufel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 10:58.12 | deadcat | cmihai: about time some morons own those morons |
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| 10:58.35 | cmihai | How do they say... pwn3d ?! :P |
| 10:58.49 | phycho | lol |
| 10:58.51 | Teufel | thanks chealer |
| 10:58.57 | deadcat | ciaron: p-owned i think |
| 10:59.03 | cmihai | All your webpage are belong to us :) |
| 10:59.09 | deadcat | thats how i would say it |
| 10:59.29 | cmihai | Bloody script kiddies don't even know html. |
| 10:59.30 | cozwei | how can i install deb-packages? |
| 10:59.33 | cmihai | It's plain ASCII. |
| 10:59.40 | abrotman | cozwei: man dpkg |
| 10:59.49 | abrotman | cozwei: man apt-get |
| 10:59.54 | abrotman | !tell cozwei about refcard |
| 11:00.00 | deadcat | cmihai: arent those the same spykidz from that movie? that crap ass movie? |
| 11:00.02 | rik__ | Does anyone here use etherape please? |
| 11:00.20 | abrotman | i prefer ethersnuff |
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| 11:00.31 | deadcat | rik__: ya. i like to ether rape |
| 11:00.31 | thd | caphuso: ii zopeedit 0.8-2 Helper Application for Zope External Editor |
| 11:00.56 | cmihai | deadcat: who gives a fuck ? |
| 11:01.09 | deadcat | cmihai: i dont know. who? |
| 11:01.14 | rik__ | deadcat: when etheraping over a ssh connection how do you prevent feedback please? |
| 11:01.21 | caphuso | thd: damn, sorry. i messed up again :-( |
| 11:01.25 | caphuso | thd: do "COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l ppp | tail -1" |
| 11:01.32 | deadcat | rik__: i dont know but its a pain in the ass. literally. |
| 11:01.37 | thd | caphuso: thought so |
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| 11:02.08 | caphuso | i'm seriously sleep deprived |
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| 11:02.41 | thd | caphuso: ii ppp 2.4.3-20050321+2 Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon |
| 11:02.46 | Teufel | I just used ion3 for the first time, and I can't get rid of it, how can I even pull up a terminal with it? |
| 11:03.00 | donny | what's ion3? |
| 11:03.14 | rik__ | deadcat: Is the problem a pain in the ass to set up or the solution? |
| 11:03.16 | abrotman | it's a wimdow manager |
| 11:03.16 | Teufel | a GUI |
| 11:03.21 | caphuso | Teufel: alt+F1 |
| 11:03.38 | deadcat | rik__: i dont know but if you try to stick the ethernet cards in your ass. then its pain in the ass |
| 11:03.40 | caphuso | thd: hrm, that's the fixed version |
| 11:03.42 | Teufel | caphuso: thanks |
| 11:03.51 | garo | Is there debian specific information about openvpn ? |
| 11:03.52 | donny | lol deadcat |
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| 11:04.01 | donny | useful info |
| 11:04.02 | deadcat | (= |
| 11:04.09 | rik__ | lol! ouch. I swore I wouldn't do that again. thanks for the yelp! |
| 11:04.11 | abrotman | garo: check the doc folder for that app |
| 11:04.49 | thd | caphuso: why was it broken? |
| 11:04.49 | caphuso | thd: what's the exact problem you have? |
| 11:05.28 | Teufel | apt-get install (what do I need for php? I tried just php but it can't find package) |
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| 11:06.07 | pabs3 | anyone know how to drop mail from/to specific addresses with qmail? (I've a mail loop) |
| 11:06.23 | caphuso | thd: because someone made a mistake |
| 11:06.28 | thd | caphuso: since about 2 or 3 months ago after an update to sarge, I no longer had an automated redial after the ppp connection would drop. |
| 11:06.49 | abrotman | pabs3: delete one of accounts ? |
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| 11:07.12 | caphuso | thd: any other symptoms? anything in the log file? did you enable debug output? |
| 11:07.22 | dpblnt | Hiryu, installing postgresql for the first time i get "initializing pg_shadow... /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/initdb: line 700: cannot create temp file for here document: Permission denied", apt-get install -f can do it for second time. is that known? |
| 11:07.26 | gnraf | Teufel, use aptitude |
| 11:07.33 | Teufel | apt-get install (what do I need for php? I tried just php but it can't find package) |
| 11:07.37 | Teufel | opps |
| 11:07.43 | Teufel | gnraf: k... it's php4 btw |
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| 11:08.20 | abrotman | Teufel: php4 |
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| 11:09.12 | gnraf | Teufel, apt-cache search php |
| 11:09.36 | Teufel | anyone know of a good ftp program ? |
| 11:09.37 | thd | caphuso: I have tried to ignore the problem and have not attempted to do anything useful about it until now. I had verified the option setting and confirmed the demand dialing also no longer worket at the first sign of the problem. |
| 11:09.54 | Guerin | Teufel: lftp |
| 11:10.02 | gnraf | wget |
| 11:10.06 | POVaddct | yafc |
| 11:10.16 | thd | caphuso: what would I look for in the log? |
| 11:10.17 | rik__ | deadcat: Sorry to be a PITA myself, but any clue where these filter files are kept? |
| 11:10.18 | cmihai | ncftp |
| 11:10.18 | caphuso | thd: which means you're right now wasting both mine and your time. there's no finding out wat's wrong without information |
| 11:10.19 | gnraf | telnet... ;-) |
| 11:10.26 | Guerin | mozilla |
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| 11:10.28 | Guerin | <haha> |
| 11:10.31 | caphuso | thd: problems. errors. things that shouldn't be happening |
| 11:10.32 | thd | caphuso: what would I look for in the log? |
| 11:10.59 | dpblnt | if i remove '/var/lib/postgres/data/', and run 'su - postgres /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/initdb' it fails with 'initializing pg_shadow... /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/initdb: line 700: cannot create temp file for here document: Permission denied', shouldn't it work? |
| 11:11.30 | Guerin | dpblnt: why are you just deleting random files? |
| 11:11.44 | gnraf | dpblnt, yes, if you have the right permissions. |
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| 11:12.23 | dpblnt | Guerin, i want to install it, and found out, postins does it's job as there is no data directory, i deleted it for testing only |
| 11:13.10 | Guerin | dpblnt: your sentence makes aalmost no sense. |
| 11:13.43 | dpblnt | gnraf, ls -l var/lib/ |grep postgres drwxr-xr-x 2 postgres postgres 4096 Jul 2 11:09 postgres |
| 11:13.56 | dpblnt | Guerin, sory for that |
| 11:14.20 | Teufel | I'm using fluxbox, I can't find anywhere to change screen resolution. I added more resolutions but now can't find where to change them at |
| 11:14.23 | abrotman | dpblnt: /etc/init.d/postgresql restart |
| 11:14.43 | abrotman | i think if it sees no data .. it will recreate it.. correctly .. as opposed to whatever you're doing |
| 11:15.15 | gnraf | dpblnt: whoami? |
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| 11:15.18 | dpblnt | Guerin, when i try to install postgresql i see the error above, and apt-get install postgresql exits with error. |
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| 11:15.39 | dpblnt | Guerin, after an apt-get install -f does the thing |
| 11:16.53 | Guerin | Teufel: use xrandr; if the resolutions you want aren't there, user dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:16.57 | dpblnt | abrotman, Starting PostgreSQL database server: postmaster(FAILED) |
| 11:16.57 | dpblnt | ERROR: No readable database directory for postgresql |
| 11:17.10 | abrotman | dpblnt: because you deleted the directory ? |
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| 11:17.16 | dpblnt | gnraf, root |
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| 11:17.34 | kl1 | hi, to install irssi is posible it say is not avalible ;/ |
| 11:17.36 | dpblnt | abrotman, yes |
| 11:17.38 | Teufel | guerin: I already dida dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and added them, but they arn't there... <sigH. |
| 11:17.45 | drac | kl1: irssi-text |
| 11:17.53 | kl1 | ok :) |
| 11:17.54 | kl1 | thanks |
| 11:17.55 | Guerin | Teufel: maybe your display can't handle them. |
| 11:17.58 | dpblnt | abrotman, allright i'll do it without deleting |
| 11:18.01 | abrotman | dpblnt: you really messed it up didn't you :) |
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| 11:18.06 | paky | hola alguien habla español? |
| 11:18.12 | abrotman | !es |
| 11:18.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:18.32 | gnraf | !de |
| 11:18.32 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 11:18.42 | Teufel | guerin: it's really weird it only gave me really high resolutions to choose from. Like teh highest I can get is 800/600 and the next step up was 1280/1024 I want 1024/7-whatever |
| 11:19.00 | mike | g'day, how do i mount a dvd reader? does it still use the cdrom mount point? |
| 11:19.10 | Eulex | mike, yes |
| 11:19.21 | dpblnt | abrotman, apt-get install postgresql finished with initializing pg_shadow... /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/initdb: line 700: cannot create temp file for here document: Permission denied |
| 11:19.22 | thd | caphuso: I have turned on debugging. I will attempt to simulate the connection being dropped by turning off the modem repeatedly to see what happens. I will report back after my tests. |
| 11:19.31 | dpblnt | abrotman, initdb: failed |
| 11:19.31 | dpblnt | dpkg: error processing postgresql (--configure): |
| 11:19.47 | abrotman | dpblnt: are you running sid ? |
| 11:20.03 | gnraf | dpblnt: what did you do before you did nothing? |
| 11:20.17 | dpblnt | abrotman, sarge |
| 11:20.40 | abrotman | dpblnt: you could check line700 .. and see what it's trying to do |
| 11:20.40 | dpblnt | gnraf, did i say that i did nothing? |
| 11:20.40 | mike | Eulex: how? |
| 11:21.11 | dpblnt | gnraf, it's a debootsrtapped chrooted sarge, i install postgresql into it for the first time |
| 11:21.21 | Eulex | mike, mount it just like you would with a cd |
| 11:21.28 | dpblnt | abrotman, no |
| 11:21.34 | abrotman | no ..? |
| 11:21.38 | abrotman | you can't look and see ? |
| 11:23.09 | dpblnt | abrotman, 700:"$PGPATH"/postgres $PGSQL_OPT template1 >/dev/null <<EOF |
| 11:23.24 | Eulex | abrotman, I think he meant that he's not running sid :P |
| 11:23.24 | abrotman | that's the whole line ? |
| 11:23.25 | dpblnt | abrotman, runs postgres |
| 11:23.34 | Teufel | guerin: I guess all it needed was a restart... I'm getting fine resolution now /shrug |
| 11:23.55 | dpblnt | abrotman, yes |
| 11:23.57 | abrotman | dpblnt: can you remove postgres ? |
| 11:24.10 | dpblnt | abrotman, yes, with dpkg -P |
| 11:24.17 | Eulex | Teufel, xorg.conf settings are just reloaded when X is restarted |
| 11:24.17 | abrotman | and it won't reinstall ? |
| 11:24.25 | abrotman | after purging i mean |
| 11:24.31 | dpblnt | abrotman, want me to do it? |
| 11:24.34 | garo | How do i install a package and tell apt to forget that it is installed, so that it will get deleted if i tell apt to delete every package that has no reason for being on my system ? (in gentoo it's "emerge -1") |
| 11:24.35 | abrotman | dpblnt: what the fuck did you do to your box ? |
| 11:24.42 | dpblnt | abrotman, no, it'll do the same |
| 11:24.47 | abrotman | Eulex: no xorg in debian |
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| 11:25.16 | Teufel | My FTP still isn't working though... I did apt-get install lftp and when I try to connect to linux box from ftp I get a can't establish connection |
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| 11:25.50 | dpblnt | abrotman, nothing, i debootsrtapped it today |
| 11:26.00 | Eulex | abrotman, sorry, meant XF86Config-4, or whatever it is... I've gotten xorg from http://debian.linux-systeme.com/ |
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| 11:26.08 | chealer | garo: how would APT know which packages have a reason for being on your system? |
| 11:26.40 | nornagon | I'm going to be installing some ATI drivers soonish. The binaries presented at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-xfree86/index.html; will they work with a -1-k7 system? |
| 11:26.50 | abrotman | garo: look at debfoster |
| 11:27.10 | davi | What debian distribution must I to install, "x86" or "AMD64", for this hardware: Laptop HP NX 9105 AMD Athlon 64 Mobile 3000+ ? Reference: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/hardware.php3?page=tests_machines&page=tests_machines&action=afficher&id=128077 |
| 11:27.12 | hellwolf|misty | who can tell me is there any software convert string to url-encoding, can iconv make it? |
| 11:27.40 | garo | chealer: no idea, i am a debian newbie, but in gentoo the file /var/lib/portage/world keeps track of it |
| 11:27.40 | abrotman | davi: either would work .. just depends on whether you want 32bit or 64bit |
| 11:27.53 | davi | thanks abrotman :) |
| 11:28.03 | abrotman | !tell davi about amd64 |
| 11:28.29 | chealer | garo: I never used gentoo, but your question doesn't seem to make sense |
| 11:28.38 | abrotman | !debfoster |
| 11:28.39 | dpkg | somebody said debfoster was a package that detects "orphaned" dependencies and cleans them up. |
| 11:28.53 | abrotman | well . that's not quite right |
| 11:29.23 | chealer | !factinfo debfoster |
| 11:29.23 | dpkg | debfoster -- created by ilan <ilan@dsl-pac-ir0155-1.linkline.com> at Sun Jun 17 14:20:26 2001 (1475 days); it has been requested 36 times, last by abrotman, 45s ago. |
| 11:29.30 | abrotman | !literal debfoster |
| 11:29.30 | dpkg | debfoster is a package that detects "orphaned" dependencies and cleans them up. |
| 11:29.32 | Teufel | Is there any way to make likea shortcuts menu with fluxbox? |
| 11:29.34 | abrotman | bah |
| 11:29.35 | chealer | heh |
| 11:29.55 | nornagon | I'm going to be installing some ATI drivers soonish. The binaries presented at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-xfree86/index.html; will they work with a -1-k7 system? |
| 11:29.57 | liable | thats debconfusing :P |
| 11:30.14 | Eulex | Teufel, you mean editing the root menu? |
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| 11:30.21 | abrotman | garo: try debfoster |
| 11:30.22 | TheReverant_ | how does the burn:/// directory work? |
| 11:30.28 | Eulex | nornagon, are there kernel moudles for your kernel? |
| 11:30.32 | Eulex | *modules |
| 11:30.51 | nornagon | I'll be using a stock kernel, so I presume so. |
| 11:30.52 | garo | k, thanks |
| 11:31.01 | Eulex | nornagon, check anyway |
| 11:31.03 | Teufel | eulex: I don't really know what I mean. I just started using fluxbox, and I kida of want some icons on the bar as shortcuts to programs like in gnome |
| 11:31.29 | nornagon | Eulex: Will do. |
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| 11:31.34 | Eulex | Teufel, the root menu is the menu that appears when you rightclick on your desktop |
| 11:31.45 | nornagon | I'm not sure what kernel netinst comes with, though. |
| 11:31.49 | abrotman | Teufel: maybe you should be using kde or gnome |
| 11:32.02 | Eulex | Teufel, you can't get icons in the panel with fluxbox |
| 11:32.13 | abrotman | i'd go with gnome! |
| 11:32.14 | Teufel | eulex ah, ok... can you add stuff to the root menu? |
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| 11:32.21 | Guerin | abrotman is stupid |
| 11:32.23 | nornagon | there're kernel module binaries for 2.6.11-1-k7, so yeah. |
| 11:32.25 | Guerin | use xfce4 |
| 11:32.26 | Eulex | Teufel, though you can use idesk to get icons on your desktop |
| 11:32.35 | abrotman | use olwm! |
| 11:32.36 | Eulex | nornagon, then it should work |
| 11:32.41 | Guerin | evilwm! |
| 11:32.44 | nornagon | and 2.6.8-2-k7, and 2.4.7-2-k7 |
| 11:32.48 | Eulex | Guerin, yeah, go XFCE4! |
| 11:32.48 | abrotman | ratpoison! |
| 11:32.49 | nornagon | Eulex: :) |
| 11:32.51 | abrotman | !start a wm war |
| 11:32.51 | dpkg | X sucks! |
| 11:32.55 | abrotman | cute |
| 11:32.56 | nornagon | Heh. |
| 11:33.01 | chealer | hehehe |
| 11:33.12 | Teufel | eulex : lol how do you even change the background image in fluxbox? |
| 11:33.21 | Teufel | eulex: like wallpaper |
| 11:33.22 | kl1 | hi, to change the pass from my user in a termina? is posible? |
| 11:33.22 | abrotman | is e17 released yet ? |
| 11:33.25 | Eulex | Teufel, how to edit the root menu should be in the docs |
| 11:33.34 | nornagon | abrotman: not afaict |
| 11:33.42 | Guerin | abrotman: negatory |
| 11:33.48 | Guerin | kl1: passwd |
| 11:33.54 | Eulex | Teufel, there should be docs for that... I've used fluxbox... but I don't remember 100% |
| 11:34.03 | kl1 | oh ok Guerin thanks :) |
| 11:34.09 | nornagon | Failing enlightenment, I'll try fvwm. |
| 11:34.14 | Teufel | eulex: how do I get to the docs then? =) |
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| 11:34.42 | liable | try em all, fill yer boots, they're free :P |
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| 11:34.54 | Eulex | Teufel, http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 11:35.15 | abrotman | why don't you have him pick a newbie WM . instead of fluxbox |
| 11:35.29 | Teufel | eulex: thanks |
| 11:35.40 | abrotman | or not .. |
| 11:35.47 | Eulex | abrotman, well, it's his choice |
| 11:35.51 | nornagon | liable: :) |
| 11:35.59 | abrotman | and a bad one |
| 11:36.40 | RainbowW | i'm getting about 1200k/sec throughput on an sftp session over a local network. only other stuff going on is this session and occasional spam coming into the smtpd. is that about correct for a 100mb hd connection? |
| 11:36.41 | Eulex | abrotman, though the less n00by his choice of wm is, the more he will have to do himself, and he will learn more |
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| 11:36.58 | abrotman | Eulex: or get overwhelmed and stop using |
| 11:37.13 | Eulex | abrotman, yes, or that |
| 11:37.13 | liable | Eulex: or get pissed off and go back to windows |
| 11:37.21 | abrotman | RainbowW: are the machines on both ends of decent speed ? |
| 11:37.33 | zignig | liable: and get virii and BSOD, nope. |
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| 11:38.04 | RainbowW | abrotman: the slow one is a p3-500 with 384. |
| 11:38.08 | Eulex | RainbowW, sftp slows things down |
| 11:38.19 | CyberSelf | hi there |
| 11:38.22 | abrotman | RainbowW: and they all have 100Mb NIC and connections ? |
| 11:38.26 | abrotman | like .. no 10Mb hub ? |
| 11:38.31 | Teufel | eulex liable I like the way it looks so far, I understand it will take some learning... I always have gnome on here too if I need to take a break =P no biggie |
| 11:38.42 | RainbowW | abrotman: yes. 3com 100mb linkbuilder hub, older but rock-solid. |
| 11:38.57 | CyberSelf | i have a question..., is there any mail client, like thunderbird, for the command-line? |
| 11:38.59 | zignig | RainbowW: are all the interfaces at 100Mb ? |
| 11:39.04 | zignig | CyberSelf: mutt |
| 11:39.05 | RainbowW | zignig: ya. |
| 11:39.15 | Eulex | RainbowW, if you don't need it to be secure, you can always run normal ftp, which will probably make ftp become several times faster |
| 11:39.27 | CyberSelf | thanks :D |
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| 11:39.34 | abrotman | Eulex: and you also just told a newb to use fluxbox |
| 11:39.51 | abrotman | RainbowW: both at full duplex ? |
| 11:39.55 | nz17 | What's a good text editor with syntax highlighting for PHP, SQL, CSS and XHTML? |
| 11:40.06 | nevyn | vim ? |
| 11:40.08 | abrotman | nz17: vi |
| 11:40.12 | RainbowW | abrotman: no, one is half duplex and trying to manually force it with mii-tool failed. |
| 11:40.18 | liable | gah, installed wmp9 on my work box, cant play more than 3 songs without crashing :( |
| 11:40.22 | Eulex | abrotman: if it's on a local network with no other computers, it's no big deal to run normal ftp |
| 11:40.25 | abrotman | RainbowW: that could be a reason |
| 11:41.17 | Eulex | abrotman, and I didn't tell a newb to run fluxbox, it was his own choice |
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| 11:41.34 | abrotman | Eulex: sorry .. you were aiding and abetting :) |
| 11:42.28 | abrotman | xoz: good .. you help him |
| 11:42.31 | Borszczuk | anyone is using KDE 3.4.1 from packages on alioath? |
| 11:42.40 | abrotman | Borszczuk: #debian-kde |
| 11:42.41 | liable | I really dont see the attraction of these really basic wm's in this day and age of 1G+ ram |
| 11:43.15 | abrotman | liable: noone asked what his machine specs were .. and since i don't think icechat runs on linux .. i'm guessing he has two boxes |
| 11:43.20 | liable | yah lets use as least amount of my ram as possible. shit use a p1 |
| 11:43.33 | xoz | liable: on the contrary, i don't see any reason why make things complicated when it can be done in a simpler way. less is more... |
| 11:43.34 | Borszczuk | abrotman: true |
| 11:43.36 | Guerin | liable: not all of us have 1G of ram. And in any case, more wm just tends to get in the way of doing work. |
| 11:44.12 | liable | hehe, knew I'd get a good response from that one :P |
| 11:44.17 | abrotman | yeah .. i only have 768 |
| 11:44.17 | RainbowW | holy crap. moving from sftp to ftp increased xfer speed about 8.5x ... blah. :) |
| 11:44.33 | abrotman | RainbowW: yay encryption! |
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| 11:44.40 | Guerin | liable: read about minimal force doctrine sometime |
| 11:44.48 | RainbowW | abrotman: imagine. :) |
| 11:45.08 | xoz | i think UNIX main principle is *KISS* |
| 11:45.20 | liable | Guerin: ok, i'll take a look one day. |
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| 11:45.24 | Eulex | RainbowW, :) |
| 11:45.51 | xoz | !kiss |
| 11:45.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
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| 11:46.25 | liable | yes, lets run just bash on my amd64.... |
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| 11:47.01 | xoz | kiss means what it is... not being *stupid* |
| 11:47.02 | liable | not that I have one :P |
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| 11:47.08 | gigabytes | hi all |
| 11:47.25 | gigabytes | is there in Debian a default place where put iptables rules to run at boot? |
| 11:47.37 | liable | xoz: define stupid |
| 11:48.00 | liable | xoz: define simple in todays computer environment |
| 11:48.50 | xoz | no point of argument... either you got the point or not. no more no less. |
| 11:49.18 | abrotman | gigabytes: read the readme |
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| 11:49.39 | gigabytes | abrotman, that readme? |
| 11:49.45 | gigabytes | iptables' readme? |
| 11:50.07 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/iptables/ ? |
| 11:50.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:50.42 | liable | Guerin: btw, got a link off hand for that? |
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| 11:52.05 | eXec | windows 0wnage |
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| 11:52.19 | Guerin | liable: the name is sort of self-explanatory. It's a military doctrine which applies pretty evenly to many other aspects of life. It basically means "Don't use a nuclear weapon when sending in half a dozen Special Forces would do." |
| 11:52.44 | abrotman | 3 people from .nl ? |
| 11:52.47 | liable | Guerin: right, ok. |
| 11:52.55 | eXec | .nl \o/ |
| 11:52.58 | RainbowW | Guerin: why? nuclear weapons are so much more colorful. |
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| 11:53.15 | Guerin | RainbowW: you really have never seen the SAS in action, have you? |
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| 11:53.56 | eXec | windows |
| 11:53.59 | idiwiddy | they dress up in pink waving streamers and are far more colourful than any nuclear explosion! |
| 11:54.22 | thd | caphuso: I do not see any obvious ppp problem in the log. /etc/ppp/ip-down runs after the connection is broken. |
| 11:54.41 | abrotman | eXec: what about it ? |
| 11:54.50 | eXec | nvm |
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| 11:55.13 | gna | what about windows? |
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| 11:55.44 | egg|x2 | bad |
| 11:55.52 | RainbowW | i've always thought that a good solution to the middle east mess would be a low-yield nuclear weapon. make the entire region uninhabitable, and you render all the bitching over who gets to live there meaningless. |
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| 11:56.04 | TheReverant_ | whats a good program for opening iso ? |
| 11:56.05 | liable | thd: tried wvdial? |
| 11:56.06 | abrotman | RainbowW: wrong channel |
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| 11:56.15 | abrotman | TheReverant_: mount |
| 11:56.16 | Maulkin | TheReverant_: mount / |
| 11:56.24 | Maulkin | s/\//?/ |
| 11:56.24 | abrotman | not mount / |
| 11:56.24 | TheReverant_ | oh :P |
| 11:56.26 | RainbowW | abrotman: it's simple. :) |
| 11:56.27 | abrotman | mount ? :) |
| 11:56.28 | Eulex | windows == *crash* *b0rken* *crash* |
| 11:56.29 | joeytwiddle | TheReverant_, mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 11:56.40 | TheReverant_ | thanks :D |
| 11:56.42 | Eulex | RainbowW, #tactical-warfare ;) |
| 11:56.48 | nse | hello, there are many extra keys in my keyboard, some of those www, calculator, media, and so on. is there any way to put them to make something when pressing them in linux just as they do automatically in windows? |
| 11:57.01 | Eulex | nse: xbindkeys |
| 11:57.06 | rss | nse, do you use gnome? |
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| 11:57.10 | Maulkin | !iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 11:57.10 | dpkg | Maulkin: okay |
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| 11:57.22 | nse | rss: Yes. Gnome. |
| 11:57.47 | rss | nse, there is application called acme |
| 11:57.53 | Guerin | RainbowW: thanks for revealing yourself as either a) a bad joker or b) a complete blithering moron |
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| 11:58.13 | itom | do you know how to add some files in a .iso image? |
| 11:58.13 | rss | nse, with that you can map those keys to desired applications... |
| 11:58.25 | gna | are bots allowed here if they are quiet? |
| 11:58.33 | idimmu | !list |
| 11:58.33 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 11:58.38 | idimmu | ace |
| 11:58.57 | liable | gna: to do what then? |
| 11:58.58 | abrotman | gna: what is the bot going to do ? |
| 11:59.19 | gna | stress test with a lot of nicks and msg's |
| 11:59.19 | cmihai | Keep quiet :) |
| 11:59.25 | Maulkin | idimmu: mkisofs |
| 11:59.35 | abrotman | gna: not much of a test if it doesn't do anyhting now is it ? |
| 11:59.39 | idimmu | cheers, better tell itom that tho :o |
| 11:59.42 | Maulkin | I think... |
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| 11:59.50 | rss | nse, it is called as Keyboard Shortcuts in the GNOME menu |
| 11:59.51 | gna | !pm ?nicks |
| 11:59.52 | abrotman | noone talks to it .. it doesn't talk to anyone .. wow .. what a stress test |
| 11:59.52 | Maulkin | ack... |
| 12:00.01 | abrotman | gna: no .. not allowed |
| 12:00.05 | Maulkin | itom: have a look at mkisofs |
| 12:00.08 | RainbowW | fire a low-yield nuclear weapon at it and see how it handles the stress. |
| 12:00.16 | Maulkin | idimmu: :) |
| 12:00.19 | cmihai | abrotman: looks like a "how long can it shut up" test :) |
| 12:00.20 | idimmu | :D |
| 12:00.44 | nse | rss: hmm.. there's nothing like acme at any place. Keyboard Shortcuts is there. |
| 12:00.56 | abrotman | it would appear both eXec and gna and Arbitron are trolling .. |
| 12:01.10 | eXec | no, i was just kidding |
| 12:01.10 | abrotman | more than both .. but oh well |
| 12:01.18 | itom | Maulkin, but with mkisofs I can add some files, or unpack the iso then pack it with new files? |
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| 12:01.45 | itom | I've alwais used mkisofs to make .iso images from files |
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| 12:01.47 | thd | liable: I am downloading wvdial now. |
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| 12:01.49 | LuCkYaN | hi anyone know a program to cut an .mp3 ? |
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| 12:02.06 | Guerin | LuCkYaN: split |
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| 12:02.19 | Guerin | LuCkYaN: oh, you want it to still be playable? |
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| 12:02.28 | eXec | LuCkYaN: audacity |
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| 12:02.39 | LuCkYaN | Guerin: yes .. but to cut a part and to listen only that part |
| 12:02.39 | Guerin | LuCkYaN: might have to use a wave editor, audacity is good |
| 12:03.07 | xoz | LuCkYaN: mpgsplit |
| 12:03.11 | thd | liable: Does pppconfig control settings for wvdial? |
| 12:03.18 | TheReverant_ | how to burn anything with nautilus? |
| 12:03.19 | liable | thd: no. |
| 12:03.27 | TheReverant_ | or with the burn:/// directory |
| 12:03.27 | Arbitron | reloaded! |
| 12:03.35 | xoz | LuCkYaN: in mpgtx package |
| 12:03.39 | liable | thd: when it installs, it runs wvdialconf |
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| 12:05.37 | kuja | I'm having some issues with fonts not showing up in GNOME, however defoma shows them as being registered. |
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| 12:08.43 | itom | I found how to create a new iso with new files, but is possible to use the same source iso to add the files and save it? (like a folder) |
| 12:08.44 | Duelist | kuja: where are the fonts on the filesystem? |
| 12:09.02 | kuja | What do you mean? |
| 12:09.12 | kuja | Ones that show up, or don't, or that I want to show up? |
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| 12:09.42 | kuja | I've got some xfonts, some are TTF, Korean fonts that I would like to use. |
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| 12:10.15 | kuja | Duelist: By the way, these are debs. |
| 12:10.19 | pepsi | what software do I need to map gamepad keys to "keyboard events" in X? |
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| 12:11.54 | abrotman | !tell emiliano about away |
| 12:11.58 | thd | caphuso: At the time of the update after which persistent ppp, had been broken there was some security option prompting to hide something related to ppp that I do not remember. I believe the option was for hiding the IP address and I followed the security suggestion and said yes or OK. Later I noticed persistent dialing had failed but did not know the issues were related. |
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| 12:14.02 | abrotman | !tell emiliano about away |
| 12:14.57 | kesu-ki | I think that k3b should be part of a 'base' desktop style install, the cd burning troubleshooter is so easy to use... |
| 12:15.10 | nse | howto to set a default music player in Gnome? |
| 12:15.23 | abrotman | i think it's rhythmbox |
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| 12:15.38 | abrotman | or change the file type assocotation |
| 12:15.40 | kuja | Duelist: I think I know where you were getting at. I forgot to add the path to the fonts in my X config. |
| 12:15.52 | RainbowW | is there a way to limit the standard in.ftpd (from the package ftpd) to accepting inbound connections only from certain address ranges? |
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| 12:16.41 | TheReverant_ | is there any command for opening cd drive? |
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| 12:16.47 | abrotman | RainbowW: hosts.allow .. or iptables |
| 12:16.53 | nse | TheReverant_: eject |
| 12:16.53 | abrotman | TheReverant_: eject |
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| 12:17.19 | nse | abrotman: is there a way to set totem the default media player in Gnome? |
| 12:17.21 | TheReverant_ | thx |
| 12:17.25 | thd | caphuso: I am disconnecting to configure wvdial |
| 12:17.34 | mtnman | rainboww: maybe /etc/hosts.deny |
| 12:17.42 | abrotman | nse: in nautilus you mean ? |
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| 12:18.21 | arturaz | anyone knows of http proxy that can deny specified sites based on Host header? squid is overkill on 66mhz. |
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| 12:19.16 | nse | abrotman: I'm setting some of my keys to work as shortcuts for certainf applications. The key "media" open up a music player, but instead of Totem it is shown a different one. so i think i may have to change something to totem somewhere.. ? |
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| 12:20.02 | abrotman | nse: if you double click on the file in nautilus .. what does it open ? |
| 12:20.09 | nse | abrotman: I'm using Keyboard Shortcuts to set the applications and events up |
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| 12:20.26 | nse | abrotman: it does open totem with the selected file |
| 12:20.50 | abrotman | nse: well that's odd :) |
| 12:20.59 | abrotman | nse: maybe check /etc/alternatives |
| 12:21.03 | nse | abrotman: but that's not what happens when pressing "media" button in my keyboard. it is set to open a Music Player. but that's not totem |
| 12:21.07 | RainbowW | okay time to rip three dvds at once (and beat the shit out of my hard drive while i do it) |
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| 12:21.39 | abrotman | nse: what command does the button execute ? |
| 12:21.45 | Teufel | Would there be something blocking incoming ftp attempts on my debian machine? It's not letting any ftp through |
| 12:22.08 | abrotman | Teufel: firewall |
| 12:22.10 | liable | Teufel: at a guess, a firewall? |
| 12:22.20 | nse | abrotman: i don't have a way to see this, the app to set the events to do lauch the app is very simple. just a help and close buttom |
| 12:22.29 | bluefox83 | does debian keep track of it's record uptimes automatically or does that require a special piece of software? |
| 12:22.37 | Teufel | on debian? When I had stuff installed earlier, ftp worked right after, nothing to change |
| 12:23.09 | nse | abrotman: if there were any way to edit which app to lauch.. |
| 12:23.25 | liable | Teufel: you havent installed any iptables front ends, or configured iptables? |
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| 12:23.48 | TheReverant_ | brb |
| 12:23.55 | liable | bluefox83: like previous uptimes? |
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| 12:24.05 | bluefox83 | liable, yes.. |
| 12:24.10 | abrotman | nse: there has to be a way to configure it .. and see the command it uses |
| 12:24.14 | Teufel | liable: no idea what those are, it may have installed on basic setup... <shrug> the only thing I've changed was to make it have a static ip address and installed lftp |
| 12:24.24 | bluefox83 | what do you think i wanted uptimes to come? |
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| 12:24.47 | liable | Teufel: ok, does netstat -pantu show it running? |
| 12:24.48 | nse | abrotman: the trouble is to find that way |
| 12:25.02 | abrotman | nse: what program makes the buttons work ? |
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| 12:25.23 | nse | abrotman: that's the app it does launch: Rhythmbox 0.8.8 |
| 12:25.26 | Teufel | liable: no |
| 12:25.27 | `Baiat_Bun13 | hello all |
| 12:25.35 | liable | Teufel: well there you go. |
| 12:25.38 | abrotman | nse: no .. the program that makes the keyboard buttons work |
| 12:25.52 | liable | Teufel: startt it :P |
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| 12:26.26 | nse | abrotman: what program makes it work? maybe i don't know. i did it trought the Keyboard Shortcuts Gnome Application in the Desktop Preferences menu |
| 12:26.26 | Teufel | liable: sorry to be an idiot.. but how? when I type ftp or lftp it gives me weird prompt |
| 12:26.45 | bluefox83 | so? is there a way to look at my system's record uptime? |
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| 12:26.56 | abrotman | nse: dunno .. i don't have keyboard buttons .. but did you check the preferred applications thingie ? |
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| 12:27.11 | liable | Teufel: look in /etc/init.d for a script for it, if there is one, /etc/init.d/lftp start |
| 12:27.22 | nse | abrotman: take a look at it. we select something like: sleep, home folder, musci player, and then press the desired buttom, then it is setted to do it |
| 12:27.25 | liable | Teufel: read the docs for it. |
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| 12:27.52 | nse | thingie |
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| 12:28.00 | liable | Teufel: it may be started by inetd/xinetd too. |
| 12:28.17 | nse | abrotman: thingie. what does this means? |
| 12:28.20 | liable | Teufel: check /etc/inetd.conf |
| 12:28.55 | nse | abrotman: yes i did. there are just options to set web browser, terminal. no media default app |
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| 12:29.01 | abrotman | nse: nm .. no option for media |
| 12:29.07 | looksaus | hm, it's really a pity how gs-gpl is way behind upstream |
| 12:29.25 | liable | bluefox83: write a script that runs uptime >> myuptime.txt at shutdown??? |
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| 12:29.39 | Teufel | liable: don't see it in inetd.conf |
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| 12:29.54 | liable | Teufel: read the man page then. |
| 12:30.00 | bluefox83 | ..that's be kinda stupid, since the kernel keeps track of logs of every time the system is turned off and turned on.. |
| 12:30.05 | nse | abrotman: I'll give a try om irc.gnome.org |
| 12:30.20 | abrotman | nse: good plan |
| 12:30.24 | bluefox83 | *that'd |
| 12:30.36 | liable | bluefox83: well grep the fucking logs then..... |
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| 12:31.02 | FieldySnuts | ~handhold bluefox83 |
| 12:31.03 | apt | ACTION takes bluefox83 by the hand. "There, there. It'll all be better soon." |
| 12:31.16 | bluefox83 | liable, i don't think that'd tell me the longest time, i'd have to open the logs and sift through them |
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| 12:31.42 | FieldySnuts | uh grep |
| 12:31.44 | TheReverant_ | anyone experienced with knoppix? |
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| 12:31.59 | FieldySnuts | TheReverant_: #knoppix is |
| 12:32.00 | liable | #knoppix??? |
| 12:32.27 | TheReverant_ | when i boot from the knoppix cd, i simply come to the grub loader againa nd boot debian nromal |
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| 12:32.39 | Teufel | liable: so I just add the ftp line in there without a # right? |
| 12:32.44 | FieldySnuts | since you're obviouly not reading: FUCKING ASK #KNOPPIX |
| 12:32.49 | tarzeau | LOL |
| 12:32.50 | liable | Teufel: in where? |
| 12:32.53 | TheReverant_ | knoppix, i guess you know how to use knoppix |
| 12:32.59 | FieldySnuts | idiots. |
| 12:32.59 | Teufel | liable in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 12:33.03 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: LOL ;) |
| 12:33.06 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: it's WEEKEND |
| 12:33.12 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: *!*knoppix*@* is silenced anyway, thank god |
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| 12:33.48 | liable | Teufel: read the damn manpage. see how its started, /usr/share/doc/lftp |
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| 12:34.19 | liable | Teufel: I dont have, never used it, dont know how its started. sorry. |
| 12:35.35 | liable | haha, I only just noticed TheReverant_ 's last comment :) |
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| 12:35.50 | FieldySnuts | just put his lame ass on ignore |
| 12:36.05 | liable | !date FieldySnuts |
| 12:36.13 | liable | :D |
| 12:36.13 | FieldySnuts | wee |
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| 12:37.28 | FieldySnuts | geez. tor is consistantly so slow it's almost useless |
| 12:37.36 | thd | liable: Is wvdial perstent by default? |
| 12:37.38 | FieldySnuts | 512 byte minimum packet size can't help |
| 12:37.46 | paulswm | Oh, boy, holiday weekend in US, therefore an extra day of super dimwits |
| 12:37.49 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: dpkg still hate you ? |
| 12:37.51 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: true |
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| 12:38.01 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: dunno, don't care much |
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| 12:38.15 | abrotman | dpkg: love FieldySnuts |
| 12:38.21 | streuner | Package: wvdial |
| 12:38.21 | streuner | Priority: optional |
| 12:38.51 | streuner | thd: ^^ |
| 12:39.00 | liable | thd: it redials for me, except when my gay winmodem baulks and comes up with a isp overload error, but its the modem. Check the docs though for a definate command for that. I have never called it. |
| 12:39.22 | FieldySnuts | apt: tell liable about gay |
| 12:39.30 | FieldySnuts | okay apts version is lame. nevermind |
| 12:39.44 | liable | hah, i'm happy. |
| 12:39.52 | thd | liable: The issue is not mentioned in the man page or the configuration file |
| 12:40.16 | liable | thd: have you read them all? theres 3. |
| 12:40.44 | liable | thd: well, 2 really, plus wvdialconf. |
| 12:41.01 | thd | liable: I see the post from streuner |
| 12:41.22 | thd | streuner: thanks |
| 12:41.50 | liable | thd: erm, thats the package priority... |
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| 12:42.37 | seemawn | is the condition of the security team of debian better of now? |
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| 12:42.57 | streuner | means that's a package which isn't installed in base section and due to that fact not in netinstall isos.... |
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| 12:43.42 | thd | liable: I had not closely attended. I see now. |
| 12:43.54 | streuner | seemawn: read debian-security ML |
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| 12:44.11 | liable | thd: good, you had me wondering... |
| 12:44.17 | atomi | hello, i am using the pure64 sarge release from: |
| 12:44.17 | atomi | deb http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian-amd64/debian-pure64 sarge main contrib non-free |
| 12:44.17 | atomi | and got this error when running apt-get update: |
| 12:44.17 | atomi | W: GPG error: http://mirror.switch.ch sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E415B2B4B5F5BBED |
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| 12:44.22 | nvz | I need to stop administering my machine with such laziness. |
| 12:44.27 | atomi | whats wrong ? |
| 12:44.28 | liable | hello dickhead |
| 12:44.44 | paulswm | atomi: you pasted in channel, /topic |
| 12:44.44 | liable | !topicfsck atomi |
| 12:44.45 | nvz | liable: who's "dickhead" ? |
| 12:44.48 | streuner | atomi: you pasted here too much lines and the bot kicks you? |
| 12:45.00 | liable | nvz: not you. |
| 12:45.03 | nvz | heh |
| 12:45.05 | Madkiss | hi all. Does somebody know how to make cyrus-imapd store the mails of every user in their homedirs instead of all mails together in /var/something? |
| 12:45.09 | atomi | i know |
| 12:45.14 | paulswm | It's going to be a loooong weekend |
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| 12:45.18 | liable | haha |
| 12:45.20 | nvz | liable: I didn't figure, I have never gone by the name dickhead before |
| 12:45.20 | atomi | someone can help me with this apt problem ? |
| 12:45.29 | liable | hah |
| 12:45.35 | streuner | atomi: you are using unstable? |
| 12:45.37 | atomi | sarge |
| 12:45.43 | atomi | pure64 |
| 12:45.52 | streuner | *raises his eyebrow* |
| 12:45.53 | nvz | liable: my one friend growing up used to call me 'head' sometimes though |
| 12:45.57 | atomi | W: GPG error: http://mirror.switch.ch sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E415B2B4B5F5BBED |
| 12:45.57 | streuner | !info apt sarge |
| 12:45.58 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section base, is important. Version: 0.5.28.6 (sarge), Packaged size: 1165 kB, Installed size: 3664 kB |
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| 12:46.11 | liable | nvz: we wont go there eh? :P |
| 12:46.36 | abrotman | that's the sid apt |
| 12:46.38 | nvz | mainly because when I was younger I was rather small compared to my head, and because I was the leader or "head" of anything I was involved in.. the brains of the operation if you will |
| 12:46.40 | streuner | atomi: that makes no sense what you are talking..., what does dpkg -l apt say (only one line) |
| 12:46.51 | liable | oh |
| 12:46.53 | abrotman | dpkg -l apt | tail -n 1 |
| 12:46.54 | dpkg | tail -n 1 3.4-1 abrotman's private stamp collection |
| 12:46.58 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 12:46.58 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 12:47.04 | streuner | hehe |
| 12:47.05 | atomi | ii apt 0.6.38 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 12:47.14 | liable | abrotman: gets you every time :P |
| 12:47.15 | streuner | atomi: so you are using unstable |
| 12:47.18 | egg|x2 | dpkg, ? |
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| 12:47.40 | streuner | atomi: did you run apt-get update? |
| 12:47.45 | nvz | We grew up in a 1.2sq mile town known as Leetsdale to outsiders, known mostly as boring to locals. I used to have to invent things for us to do. |
| 12:47.45 | abrotman | atomi: what do your sources say ? |
| 12:47.49 | atomi | hmm you are right, it seems that i have mixed sources.list entrys ;) |
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| 12:47.56 | liable | yay |
| 12:47.59 | atomi | when i run apt-get update i got this error: |
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| 12:48.04 | atomi | W: GPG error: http://mirror.switch.ch sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E415B2B4B5F5BBED |
| 12:48.05 | abrotman | nvz: homemade porn ? |
| 12:48.17 | abrotman | atomi: FFS .. we know .. STOP PASTING |
| 12:48.18 | egg|x2 | ... |
| 12:48.23 | streuner | atomi: stop pasting that here, we knew it already :-) |
| 12:48.34 | abrotman | atomi: in your sources .. are you using sarge/etch/sid/stable/testing/unstable ? |
| 12:48.42 | nvz | abrotman: na, that only happened on one occation, and nobody seen that other than Jessica, her mother, and I. she got grouded for that :P |
| 12:48.57 | egg|x2 | @#$%^%%^&^&&*&@@ |
| 12:48.59 | streuner | atomi: you need the key, go and visit the website where you want download debs - there should be some instructions |
| 12:49.05 | azeem | atomi: http://wiki.debian.net/?apt06 |
| 12:49.12 | atomi | ARG |
| 12:49.28 | abrotman | atomi: in your sources .. are you using sarge/etch/sid/stable/testing/unstable ? |
| 12:49.30 | liable | egg|x2: stop spamming the channel |
| 12:49.30 | atomi | if i paste the sources.list i will be kicked agiain ;) |
| 12:49.32 | paulswm | nvz: But now here you are in #d on a Saturday. Glad to see that your life has become *so* much more exciting. :P |
| 12:49.40 | abrotman | atomi: so just TELL US ... |
| 12:49.46 | atomi | error comes both on unstable and stable |
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| 12:49.56 | atomi | now i tested it with unstable |
| 12:50.01 | atomi | same error |
| 12:50.03 | Stereo | nvz: too much information, man |
| 12:50.03 | nvz | paulswm: yeah.. there's some sarcasm for ya.. I'd much rather see Jess naked any day |
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| 12:50.06 | Eulex | !tell atomi about paster |
| 12:50.07 | azeem | atomi: it's because your apt is from unstable, not your sources.list |
| 12:50.08 | abrotman | atomi: but you're using unstable .. not sarge |
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| 12:50.18 | nornagon | does the netinst installer require a net connection? |
| 12:50.20 | liable | abrotman: dpkg -l apt |
| 12:50.20 | azeem | atomi: read the wiki page I pasted above |
| 12:50.27 | abrotman | atomi: you might as well just remove the sarge lines .. because you're not using it anymore probably |
| 12:50.28 | liable | erm |
| 12:50.29 | azeem | nornagon: yes |
| 12:50.30 | streuner | nornagon: it would help |
| 12:50.37 | liable | atomi: dpkg -l apt |
| 12:50.37 | nornagon | azeem: It requires it to run? |
| 12:50.42 | nvz | I barely see her at all anymore, she was like a big sister to me years ago.. then we just grew apart.. more like she grew up, and I just grew old. |
| 12:50.43 | azeem | nornagon: no |
| 12:50.46 | liable | abrotman: sorry |
| 12:50.48 | paulswm | nvz: Yes, nekkid > IRC |
| 12:50.50 | Eulex | nornagon, it doesn't require it, you can still get a base install |
| 12:50.53 | nornagon | Because I want to use it to install a minimal system and then copy wireless drivers over on CD |
| 12:50.54 | abrotman | liable: for what ? |
| 12:50.58 | liable | nm |
| 12:50.59 | azeem | nornagon: but you'll have to download other stuff after install for your system to be useful |
| 12:51.08 | atomi | azeem: i have tryd to retrieve the public key |
| 12:51.08 | nornagon | yes, obviously. |
| 12:51.10 | nornagon | Thanks :) |
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| 12:51.13 | atomi | but the key does not exist! |
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| 12:51.28 | liable | atomi: for what site? |
| 12:51.29 | nvz | I could see her anytime I wanted.. I just don't know where to begin. We haven |
| 12:51.29 | abrotman | because sarge sources don't have a key |
| 12:51.33 | nvz | t spoke in ages |
| 12:51.39 | abrotman | because you've mixed your system .. it's your own fault |
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| 12:52.36 | atomi | stop, ok it works now. http://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=293872 describes how to fix |
| 12:52.37 | atomi | thx all |
| 12:52.45 | abrotman | nvz: how about "Wanna make another movie?" |
| 12:52.56 | nvz | I still got a dent in my shin from her expressing herself with a badmitton racket |
| 12:53.05 | nvz | when we were kids |
| 12:53.15 | nvz | abrotman: it was a single photo, not a movie. |
| 12:53.29 | abrotman | nvz: flip book ? |
| 12:53.33 | nvz | abrotman: of course there were two photos as I think she made double prints |
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| 12:54.21 | liable | nvz: and the url is?.. |
| 12:54.24 | paulswm | nvz: nekkid w/ badminton racket > IRC by several light years |
| 12:54.26 | liable | :P |
| 12:54.29 | paulswm | :P |
| 12:54.37 | nvz | afaik she still lives in the same house right down the street, and still works at the Carnegie Science Center dahntahn |
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| 12:54.57 | paulswm | Good, it was getting a bit stinky in here |
| 12:55.06 | abrotman | !paulswm smells |
| 12:55.11 | abrotman | !smell paulswm |
| 12:55.13 | paulswm | Oh, no, that was the scent of falling IQ |
| 12:55.14 | abrotman | bah |
| 12:55.19 | abrotman | raising IQ |
| 12:55.21 | liable | heh |
| 12:56.00 | paulswm | Morning liable :) |
| 12:56.09 | liable | paulswm: hi :) |
| 12:56.14 | nvz | ah good times.. she was a year older than me and her sister was a year younger than me.. we used to hang out an make trouble together all the time |
| 12:56.31 | paulswm | Now nvz's going to be thinking about this all day |
| 12:56.48 | liable | nvz: write an ebook. :) |
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| 12:57.03 | nvz | na, I will probably be thinking about Alicia Moore (name spelled wrong I believe) practically begging someone to marry her |
| 12:57.09 | nvz | she's way too hot for that |
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| 12:57.44 | deckrider | hi, is there some equivalent to "apt-get build-dep" for a source package that you have downloaded, but is not available through my /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 12:58.02 | liable | make? |
| 12:58.13 | nvz | I just read that in the saturday paper this morning on the shitter. |
| 12:58.35 | liable | hah, read what? |
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| 12:58.46 | paulswm | TMI yet again |
| 12:58.54 | nvz | she held up a sign asking the guy to marry her, then ahd to hold up one that said "I'm serious" before he came to her |
| 12:59.10 | _Aceman_ | i need help to run my usb fuji camera (kernel 2.6.8) |
| 12:59.24 | nvz | asking a guy to marry you is one thing.. having to ask more than once is just ridiculous |
| 12:59.30 | liable | _Aceman_: gphoto2 or just mount it. |
| 12:59.37 | nvz | especially when you are cute and famous like her |
| 12:59.44 | _Aceman_ | i cant mount it, thats the point |
| 12:59.57 | liable | _Aceman_: gphoto2 then |
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| 13:01.25 | initech | nvz: like who? |
| 13:01.27 | _Aceman_ | didnt work |
| 13:01.32 | Blissex | nvz: famous people are a lot less cute in person than in photograph usually... |
| 13:01.42 | liable | !doesnt work |
| 13:01.43 | _Aceman_ | whitch modules do i need ? |
| 13:01.50 | nvz | initech: Alicia Moore (again I dont know how she spells Alicia but I know its not like that) |
| 13:01.51 | liable | !doesn't work |
| 13:01.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 13:02.11 | pure | hahah |
| 13:02.14 | liable | goddam apostraphies get me all the time :( |
| 13:02.17 | nvz | Blissex: yeah shes not really that hot, she looks like a dike most times.. but shes still cute |
| 13:02.28 | initech | never heard of her |
| 13:02.38 | nvz | initech: maybe you know her as P!nk |
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| 13:02.55 | nvz | or Pink or whatever the hell it is |
| 13:03.02 | initech | yeah ok |
| 13:03.03 | dystopian | she has her moments |
| 13:03.17 | liable | nvz: pink the pop start pink? |
| 13:03.25 | liable | *star |
| 13:03.29 | nvz | liable: yeah |
| 13:03.38 | liable | no fucking way |
| 13:03.44 | nvz | fucking way |
| 13:03.52 | liable | she had to ask twice? |
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| 13:04.24 | dystopian | what did she have to ask twice? |
| 13:04.36 | nvz | liable: the paper said she was in love with some racer dude, and at his race, and she held up a sign saying "Will you marry me" and then she held up one that said "I'm serious" before he actually came over to see her |
| 13:04.47 | liable | hah |
| 13:05.00 | dystopian | it's true that she is all about some racer dude. |
| 13:05.10 | dystopian | he must be a smack tard. |
| 13:05.16 | initech | what, a nascar type guy? |
| 13:05.30 | initech | she doesn't seem to be the type from looking at her |
| 13:05.30 | liable | shit yeah, she would have to be lodaed. :P |
| 13:05.34 | dystopian | motox I believe |
| 13:05.51 | _Aceman_ | when i try to mount my usb camera (fuji 1300, kernel 2.6.8) it says that i must specify fs... when i used kernel 2.4 it worked very well |
| 13:05.54 | nvz | I realize it takes more than something like that to change feelings of love.. but in my book, if I was a girl.. It would take nothing more than asking a guy to marry me, and not having him respond immediatly in some way, to not want to marry him anymore |
| 13:05.59 | liable | goddam, i'm a typing tard tonight. |
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| 13:06.23 | Eulex | _Aceman_, then specify fs |
| 13:06.26 | initech | does she even know him? |
| 13:06.39 | liable | nvz: yeah but was he in the middle of a race? |
| 13:06.45 | nvz | liable: who cares |
| 13:06.50 | _Aceman_ | i dont know what kind of fs is... (vfat doesnt work) |
| 13:06.56 | nvz | liable: she was in the middle of a proposal |
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| 13:07.03 | liable | true |
| 13:07.23 | nvz | timing is important in a relationship |
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| 13:07.38 | dystopian | but really, I wouldn't want to be in that situation. It would take the shine off if she did the asking. I guess it's a guy thing. plus, in the middle of a race? I would be thinking about not wrecking and getting killed. |
| 13:07.43 | liable | nvz: trust a woman to do it at the most difficult time she could possibly think of, to test him out though :P |
| 13:07.45 | nvz | you cant wait untill your date leaves to say I love you and lean in to kiss her |
| 13:07.45 | crocodile | hi .. does anyone knows if exist one command to make shutdown (forced) of computer in "x" minutes ? |
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| 13:07.54 | _Aceman_ | dmesg says: error I/O on device sdi, logical block 2 |
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| 13:08.17 | _Aceman_ | but i know thats working fine (my fuji) |
| 13:08.26 | westward | hi, yesterday I updated my debian, and the xfontsel crashed for some ms ttf fonts. |
| 13:08.28 | nvz | liable: so, thats her way.. if I was her, I'd consider him a failure and move on.. I think it was a damn good test |
| 13:08.44 | Eulex | _Aceman_, hmm, that's bad... sdi? you've got sda, sdb, sdc... all way up to sdi? |
| 13:08.48 | liable | crocodile: man shutdown |
| 13:08.50 | azeem | so, libg2c0-dev installs g2c.h as /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux/3.4.5/include/g2c.h, a simple #include <g2c.h> doesn't find it though. Anyebody know how this should work? |
| 13:09.09 | liable | nvz: you sound like a woman :P |
| 13:09.27 | drac | man woman |
| 13:09.30 | _Aceman_ | yes up to sdi |
| 13:09.46 | liable | nvz: or infactuated and want her to try it on you :P |
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| 13:09.56 | _Aceman_ | man, worked at sda1 (it wasnt loading) |
| 13:09.58 | doub | drac: no manual entry for woman |
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| 13:10.09 | nvz | yeah, well.. I grew up around a lot of women.. had a lot of female friends.. like Jess who used to beat me with badmitton rackets and spray me with hairspray |
| 13:10.18 | _Aceman_ | dmesg didnt say about sda1, strange... |
| 13:10.19 | Eulex | _Aceman_, heh, ok |
| 13:10.20 | liable | haha |
| 13:10.30 | nvz | I know girls on a differnt level than most guys |
| 13:10.31 | _Aceman_ | ty anyway, lol |
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| 13:10.51 | Eulex | _Aceman_, you can also use fdisk -l to check out partitions |
| 13:10.56 | doub | drac: or the other one (i think it's on a thinkgeek t-shirt): |
| 13:11.05 | doub | drac: Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 13:11.12 | Eulex | !qotd136 |
| 13:11.13 | dpkg | i guess qotd136 is <klien_bottle> anyone have any idea why my fonts look so jaggedy in kde 3.3? <klien_bottle> i think it has to do with antialiasing |
| 13:11.13 | _Aceman_ | nice idea, ty |
| 13:11.17 | Eulex | :) |
| 13:11.22 | _Aceman_ | :) |
| 13:11.28 | asuffield | nvz: yeah, most guys are just mildly ignored by girls. girls appear to actively hate you |
| 13:11.30 | liable | drac: you kidding? theres no manual for em, its always subject to change, no-one can keep up with the commands :P |
| 13:11.39 | nvz | I still have a lot of female friends. I am picky and only really interested in long-term relationships.. so most chics I meet end up in the dreaded friend-zone. |
| 13:12.09 | dystopian | the dreaded "friend" zone... |
| 13:12.11 | nvz | heh |
| 13:12.12 | liable | nvz: chick friends are often funny as fuck though. |
| 13:12.28 | drac | liable: haha, that's so true :) |
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| 13:12.48 | donny | wow there's IRC for Emacs? |
| 13:12.55 | Shay | #emacs |
| 13:13.02 | donny | hehe |
| 13:13.03 | Shay | just type /join #emacs |
| 13:13.08 | dystopian | that's what I just read.... no shi*! |
| 13:13.09 | nvz | yeah I learn a lot about myself from having people I can talk to and they can actually listen and shed some perspective on things.. your guy friends and family, just cant seem to do either |
| 13:13.13 | doub | donny: the question would rather be "what's not for emacs" |
| 13:13.25 | liable | nvz: true |
| 13:13.27 | jahi | Hi, i think I have to upgrade my GLX drivers, in order to get java3D to work. the glxinfo tells me: OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 4.0.4. For my javaapp I need 1.3. My question is now, is there a *.deb I can insallt, to upgrade this GL installation? i have a [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
| 13:13.28 | doub | donny: it would be shorter to answer |
| 13:13.32 | thd | liable: there is no nice kill script for wvdial like poff it just waits for ^c? |
| 13:13.38 | Shay | :-D |
| 13:13.41 | donny | how do you apply filters in emacs btw? like leetspeak filters n stuff |
| 13:13.45 | liable | thd: yes ctrl c |
| 13:14.12 | AigleDor | i want to download and install this package manually: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/speedtouch , it has two files: speedtouch_1.3.1.orig.tar.gz and speedtouch_1.3.1-3.diff.gz . how to proceed? |
| 13:14.23 | liable | thd: I usually just run it in tty1, but I spose you could bacground it. |
| 13:14.44 | doub | AigleDor: untar, apply the patch, and within the app dir, 'dpkg-buildpackage' |
| 13:14.44 | valdyn | AigleDor: why dont you download the .deb file? |
| 13:14.46 | nvz | I remember testing my cousin one time.. I always thought I could tell him anything.. so once I told him I thought I was having a kid.. and found out I was wrong. |
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| 13:15.09 | doub | AigleDor: but you'll have to deal with build time dependencies by hand |
| 13:15.19 | AigleDor | valdyn: where can i find it? |
| 13:15.33 | valdyn | AigleDor: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 13:15.55 | AigleDor | valdyn: ok thankx, i found it |
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| 13:17.30 | nvz | I think I am going to go cook breakfast, like I was cooking for an army of one.. then eat like it was my last meal |
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| 13:18.18 | doub | nvz: that sounds like a jacques brel song "mon dernier repas" (my last meal, in english) |
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| 13:18.46 | nvz | Try while I am doing that to find something more interesting to talk about.. and possibly a more appropriate audience to talk to. I don't know how you all feel about my rambling, but its hardly on-topic.. and I am in a talkitive mood |
| 13:19.30 | nvz | I tried to go talk Casey's ear off, but she seems to still be in bed :P |
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| 13:19.36 | doub | nvz: saying such things to IRC beasts like those of #debian is unlikely to yeld much answers |
| 13:19.48 | nvz | doub: I am not looking for answers. |
| 13:20.05 | nvz | doub: I am just looking to talk about non-sense for the sake of something interesting to do |
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| 13:20.36 | jharrison | why do I get this error sometimes running aptitude install foo |
| 13:20.38 | jharrison | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
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| 13:21.14 | dystopian | elio_, you really don't want me to join that # |
| 13:21.27 | gnraf | elio_ : /join... |
| 13:21.30 | Shay | elio_, /join #ubuntu-it |
| 13:21.34 | thd | caphuso: What could stop ip-down from functioning as it should? |
| 13:21.39 | nvz | its saturday morning.. the place I am suppose to be getting a job at isnt even finished building yet.. there's just nothing to do but BS. |
| 13:21.46 | liable | elio_: type this /j #ubuntu-it |
| 13:21.47 | elio_ | #ubuntu.it |
| 13:22.01 | gnraf | and... /LEAVE #debian |
| 13:22.04 | elio_ | liable_grazie |
| 13:22.08 | dystopian | hah |
| 13:22.11 | liable | elio_: :) |
| 13:22.16 | Shay | no problemo |
| 13:22.22 | donny | molto benne grazie |
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| 13:23.24 | doub | nvz: huh. that reminds me of the last 3 days i spent with a girl talking non-sense all the time, just for the sake of contradictoin |
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| 13:23.34 | nvz | :P |
| 13:23.36 | liable | jharrison: because you are using sid |
| 13:23.53 | liable | jharrison: and didnt read the apt changelog |
| 13:24.08 | liable | jharrison: run update. |
| 13:24.09 | doub | nvz: that is interresting at first, you train yourself to think a lot about what you're going to say, so that it's rock solid |
| 13:24.18 | ronrad | I'm trying to get my hauppauge pvr150 running on linux, the kernel says it's ok... but vlc crashes with a segmentation fault; any ideas? |
| 13:24.46 | doub | nvz: but at the saÃme timemy brains are upside down right now (without any kind of external drug) |
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| 13:26.18 | jharrison | liable: I did |
| 13:26.23 | jharrison | liable: thanks |
| 13:26.43 | ronrad | anyone knows something I can test my tv card with? |
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| 13:27.40 | liable | ronrad: tvtime? |
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| 13:28.10 | toresbe | Grr. Is marillat down for others? |
| 13:28.13 | ronrad | liable: when I start it I get: videoinput: Card failed to allocate capture buffers: Invalid argument |
| 13:28.53 | jharrison | toresbe: seems to be |
| 13:28.59 | liable | ronrad: sorry, I now nothing about tvtime. |
| 13:29.05 | ronrad | :( |
| 13:29.06 | jharrison | toresbe: I get errors about gpg keys for nerim.net too |
| 13:29.10 | AprilDL | Upgraded to 2.6.11 and machine booted fine - using initrd image. Now I need to build a custom kernel so that the vserver patch can be included. How can I do this so that initrd image will still be the boot method? Using make-kpkg then dpkg -i, lilo.conf changes to not using initrd image and I probably don't have a new initrd image. I wind up with kernel panic. It's a dell 2450 with raid... |
| 13:29.11 | AprilDL | ...which people say they have trouble getting to work with 2.6 kernel. |
| 13:29.16 | garo | What should i do to let less automagicly gunzip files that are gzipt ? |
| 13:29.20 | liable | toresbe: has been, was good a couple hours ago |
| 13:29.31 | jharrison | toresbe: I dont know that its related though |
| 13:30.01 | liable | jharrison: get the key for it http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 13:30.05 | toresbe | hmm |
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| 13:31.40 | jharrison | liable: when did these changes with apt and gpg happen? |
| 13:31.41 | teclo | I am installing woody on some mca machine. I'm using a rescue disk with a custom kernel I made. Debian can boot, detect the required hardware, mount the root floppy, create and mount the filesystem. But at the "Install kernel and driver modules" step, I choose the /dev/fd0 device. I insert the boot floppy in the first floppy drive, but Debian always says: "Unable to mount the rescue floppy. You may have inserted the wrong floppy. |
| 13:31.41 | teclo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.46 | jharrison | I never had problems until today |
| 13:31.51 | jharrison | maybe it was recent |
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| 13:32.06 | jharrison | liable: I cannot get the key I have tried already |
| 13:32.09 | toresbe | liable: I think it might be a brain-dead firewall I'm using |
| 13:32.11 | jharrison | server seems down |
| 13:32.24 | toresbe | ok then |
| 13:32.27 | liable | jharrison: do yu have gnupg? |
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| 13:32.32 | jharrison | liable: of coruse |
| 13:32.43 | jharrison | liable: I use it all the time |
| 13:33.06 | MrKeuner | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907. I guess I have to do gpg --recv-keys 07DC563D1F41B907 but which user should I use for this in order synaptic to read it? root? |
| 13:33.26 | liable | hmmm, works here. |
| 13:33.30 | jharrison | hey it worked now |
| 13:33.33 | kuja | I have fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype but I can't get them to show up in GNOME. |
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| 13:34.32 | jharrison | all is sweet now |
| 13:34.43 | kuja | How do I get these fonts to show up? |
| 13:34.44 | tnd | hi all |
| 13:35.08 | dystopian | hey tnd |
| 13:35.10 | tnd | Anyone experienced with Speedtouch USB 330 |
| 13:35.16 | liable | teclo: try #debian-boot |
| 13:35.32 | kuja | I've added approrpriate FontPath lines to my XF86Config, restarted X and the font servers too. Still nothing shows up. |
| 13:35.51 | teclo | liable: thank you but :) they usually say "don't use woody installer, use the new sarge installer" :/ |
| 13:36.02 | ronrad | I'm trying scantv now... anyone knows what is meant with the vbi device???? |
| 13:36.20 | liable | teclo: how much memory? if you have enough for woody... |
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| 13:36.40 | netfrog | kuja: there is some utilty (i don't remember the name) that does something like fonts cache |
| 13:36.48 | netfrog | kuja: you should run it i think |
| 13:36.50 | teclo | liable: sarge shows a red screen saying "you need at least 22 megs of memory, and I only have 16 I think" |
| 13:37.06 | liable | teclo: oh, goddam. :( |
| 13:37.15 | kuja | netcraft: I'll apt-cache, thanks. |
| 13:37.23 | teclo | liable: yeah that's a pita :/ |
| 13:37.24 | shingouz | teclo: the drive is dirty i think. open it up and clean the heads with isopropanol or ethanol, use a *very* small amount of WD40 (or some other very thin oil) on the mechanicals. work the mechanism until it is smooth again. note: a *VERY* small amount of oil! |
| 13:37.26 | dystopian | *cough* 16? |
| 13:37.41 | teclo | shingouz: yes but :) |
| 13:37.46 | shingouz | but? |
| 13:37.57 | teclo | shingouz: I have already cleaned it with a disk drive cleaner |
| 13:38.34 | liable | teclo: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s06.html maybe if you can. |
| 13:38.49 | netfrog | kuja: also check "defoma" |
| 13:38.53 | shingouz | that is not what i mean. you need to get the mechanical parts to work good too. the old lubericants get real sticky and it prevents the floppy from working correctly, teclo |
| 13:39.05 | kuja | netfrog: I've been checking defoma :) |
| 13:39.06 | shingouz | phone. grr |
| 13:39.08 | MrKeuner | how can I add gpg keys to synaptic? |
| 13:39.28 | liable | MrKeuner: you are running sid? |
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| 13:39.33 | MrKeuner | yes |
| 13:40.14 | liable | MrKeuner: well learn about your system and not use a gui. ffs sid *is* unstable. |
| 13:40.18 | teclo | liable: tftp is nice, I use it on my Sun boxes... But it's gonna be *very* difficult to tftp boot from a 1987 IBM PS/2 Model 77, with a MCA Token Ring adapter, and a MCA Ethernet adapter :/ |
| 13:40.36 | netfrog | kuja: ls /usr/share/fonts/ gives ... fonts.cache-1 ... |
| 13:40.36 | netfrog | afaik it should be re-generated |
| 13:40.40 | initech | teclo: why are you even bothering with such a machine? |
| 13:40.49 | liable | teclo: hmm, just another option I thought might help :( |
| 13:40.58 | teclo | initech: collector's item :) |
| 13:41.07 | teclo | liable: bah, no problem :) |
| 13:41.22 | teclo | Also I don't need sarge for such an old machine. |
| 13:41.26 | liable | teclo: sheesh, get some new hardware you tightass :P |
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| 13:41.39 | MrKeuner | liable/ what are you talking about? |
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| 13:41.58 | initech | teclo: it belongs in a museum, just put dos on it for integrety's sake |
| 13:42.08 | netfrog | kuja: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ also has fonts.cache-1 .... |
| 13:42.20 | liable | MrKeuner: you are running unstable, and you have no idea how to use gnupg or apt, from the sounds of it. |
| 13:42.27 | kuja | netcraft: I see the cache in the truetype directory, but it only included one set. Instead of the other 2 that should be there. |
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| 13:42.40 | teclo | initech: I'e already put OS/2 Warp 3 on it :) |
| 13:42.41 | netcraft | grrr highlight :P |
| 13:42.41 | kuja | netcraft: How do I add the appropriate fonts and regenerate the cache? |
| 13:42.43 | MrKeuner | liable/ wrong. but so what |
| 13:42.53 | asg | teclo: you could use NetBSD |
| 13:42.57 | liable | MrKeuner: well, work it out then. |
| 13:43.00 | asg | kuja: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 13:43.01 | netfrog | kuja: i'm trying to remember that ;) |
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| 13:43.15 | Matthias | Hi all |
| 13:43.15 | MrKeuner | liable/ you don't have to talk if you do not have anything to help |
| 13:43.20 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 13:43.24 | asg | abrotman: morning |
| 13:43.34 | abrotman | asg: bon matin |
| 13:43.39 | liable | MrKeuner: yes, and you dont have to run sid, if you cant work it out. |
| 13:43.43 | asg | abrotman: did helix kidnap you? |
| 13:43.49 | teclo | asg: yeah but I like debian better |
| 13:43.54 | netfrog | kuja: "fc-cache" |
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| 13:44.11 | abrotman | asg: i doubt that would ever happen .. under any circumstances .. unless i were to be fed on a platter :) |
| 13:44.17 | asg | heh |
| 13:44.17 | initech | there's no reason to run sid unless you're a dd these days, sarge makes a great dektop all by itself |
| 13:44.26 | netfrog | kuja: dpkg -S fc-cache -> fontconfig |
| 13:44.26 | MrKeuner | liable/ will you be so happy if I won't run SID. you are a funny guy |
| 13:44.32 | dystopian | true initech |
| 13:45.11 | initech | unless you're one of these people with gentoo-itis / ugrade-itis, and then a year of running sid should cure you of that |
| 13:45.12 | dystopian | man, we don't care if you run Sid. run sid all day, but expect shi! to break. that's all. |
| 13:46.23 | abrotman | shit? |
| 13:46.54 | oKtosiTe | What's this shi! thing you speak of? |
| 13:46.58 | initech | woody, on the other hand, was outdated as a desktop when it was released |
| 13:47.39 | initech | sarge is a lot buggier than woody was though. anyone else notice that? |
| 13:47.43 | kuja | netcraft: Holy shit, worked great. Also thanks asg :) |
| 13:47.46 | Matthias | I'm using Debian unstable and Kernel 2.6.12.2. Yesterday I connected my cd recorder with the machine and have the following problem: when I try to burn the system starts to lag, and I get errors like hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy },ide: failed opcode was: unknown and hda: drive not ready for command. Furthermore the drive disappears from cdrecord -scanbus. |
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| 13:48.21 | abrotman | initech: by a lot .. yes |
| 13:48.27 | Matthias | Can anybody give me a hint? I've already tried hdparm -d0 /dev/hda but it didn't help |
| 13:48.30 | abrotman | initech: but hey .. gotta get that release out .. bugs be damned |
| 13:48.48 | asg | Matthias: 1) try using a debian kernel to see if the problem occurs, 2) check the bts |
| 13:48.56 | initech | abrotman: yeah i guess. haven't run into anything show stopping yet, just a lot of annoyances |
| 13:48.57 | netfrog | kuja: welcome |
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| 13:49.14 | dystopian | initech, like what? |
| 13:49.22 | Matthias | asg: bt = backtrace ? |
| 13:49.36 | asg | Matthias: no, bts == bug tracking system (you should know that if you are running sid) |
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| 13:49.57 | Matthias | asg: oh yes, sorry ;) |
| 13:50.07 | liable | MrKeuner: I am *not* a funny guy. But, if you go here http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ and download the key, then you will find the problem goes away. And if you cant work that out, then you *should* *not* run sid. |
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| 13:50.24 | Matthias | asg: I was thinkinh of logs (just having a look at messages .. :) |
| 13:50.34 | MrKeuner | liable/ :) |
| 13:50.34 | initech | dystopian: well, like the quota packages' shutdown script causes my system to hang when halting or rebooting ... goes into uninterrubtible sleep. Most likely a jfs problem, but a serious one for anyone experiencing it |
| 13:50.48 | abrotman | erm . odd .. luther vandross is dead |
| 13:50.49 | asg | Matthias: oh wait, that error was hda. Is hda you harddrive or cdrom? |
| 13:50.59 | asg | abrotman: yesterday |
| 13:51.01 | dystopian | hmm. that is weird initech. |
| 13:51.04 | abrotman | on the bright side .. shannon elizabeth filed for divorce |
| 13:51.12 | Matthias | asg: cdrom (Yamaha recorder) |
| 13:51.38 | Matthias | asg: scsi0 or so |
| 13:51.40 | initech | dystopian: autofs can't unmount /home even though no user is logged in |
| 13:52.02 | initech | dystopian: when stopping it |
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| 13:52.23 | juanma | is there any specific channel for debian in laptops? |
| 13:52.27 | netfrog | the spam on lists is great: "Penis enhancement patch". |
| 13:52.27 | netfrog | should i patch -p0 <"Penis enhancement patch" or what ? |
| 13:52.45 | liable | juanma: whats the prob, just ask. |
| 13:52.45 | dystopian | I haven't heard of that. although I have seen my pc hang a couple of times at boot up. i shrugged it off though. |
| 13:52.57 | asg | netfrog: patched Hunk #1 |
| 13:53.03 | Matthias | asg; hda since it's primary master.. scsi is enabled |
| 13:53.08 | juanma | I want to use the special keys of my vaio |
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| 13:53.22 | Raf256 | hi \o/ |
| 13:53.29 | netfrog | asg: few more hunks and i'm very large ;) |
| 13:53.34 | asg | Matthias: well, if it used to work but now doesn't, I'd suspect the kernel and then cdrecord in sid. |
| 13:53.44 | Raf256 | are soundblaster cards (like live 24 bit) support nicely in 2.6.11 and above? |
| 13:53.45 | asg | netfrog: or surrounded by hunks |
| 13:53.55 | juanma | I don't know the way of defining actions to the special key |
| 13:53.57 | abrotman | Raf256: just try it |
| 13:53.58 | initech | Raf256: very well |
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| 13:54.23 | Raf256 | d-i can set up RAID0 and RAID1 easly? |
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| 13:54.31 | abrotman | hardware/software? |
| 13:54.32 | initech | Raf256: there's even a package for using the cards' FX |
| 13:54.35 | abrotman | !ig |
| 13:54.35 | dpkg | i heard ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 13:54.36 | Raf256 | software raid |
| 13:54.38 | abrotman | Raf256: ^^ |
| 13:54.50 | asg | juanma: look into lineakd, ev, xbindkeys, and tuxmobile.org |
| 13:54.53 | initech | Raf256: sblive is the best sound card for linux right now |
| 13:54.53 | Matthias | asg: no, it hasn't ever worked.. at least I attached it yesterday. |
| 13:54.54 | Raf256 | initech: what to apt-get for it? |
| 13:54.59 | kesu-ki | whats the name of the command that checks the speed linux thinks it can read/write to my dvd+rw? |
| 13:55.01 | initech | Raf256: hold up |
| 13:55.02 | liable | juanma: I use xmodmap for a couple of mine, but theres other keymapping programs out there. google linux keymap vaio |
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| 13:55.07 | Matthias | asg: I has been in another computer for a long time before |
| 13:55.09 | kesu-ki | i'm absent minded --; |
| 13:55.13 | netfrog | asg: eng. is not my mother tongue. hunk: "a well-built sexually attractive man" - i prefer not to be surrounded by 'em ;) |
| 13:55.14 | shingouz | teclo: k. back |
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| 13:55.45 | asg | Matthias: was that other box running a *nix? |
| 13:56.02 | initech | Raf256: awesfx |
| 13:56.09 | Raf256 | initech: thnx |
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| 13:56.42 | Matthias | asg: yes, netbsd |
| 13:57.03 | Matthias | asg: I'm sure the drive is supported because I used it about 2 years ago with kernel 2.4 |
| 13:57.31 | asg | Matthias: well, try a debian kernel first. Then check bugs on cdrecord. I know there are some issues with the one currently in sid. |
| 13:57.47 | Matthias | asg: ok, thanks |
| 13:57.48 | asg | Matthias: also, you could always go back to using a 2.4 kernel |
| 13:57.58 | Matthias | asg: yes, true |
| 13:58.12 | Matthias | asg: but I prefer solving the problem. |
| 13:58.48 | zyg | my directory shows "file:///home/zyg/%CE%D2%B5%C4%CF%C(chines fonts)" in x86 ,who can tell me how to deal with it. |
| 13:58.49 | Matthias | ide: failed opcode was: unknown - "unknown" is not very informing |
| 13:58.54 | valdyn | Matthias: is that a scsi or an atapi drive? |
| 13:59.14 | valdyn | Matthias: so atapi? |
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| 13:59.40 | dystopian | take off every zyg, for great justice. hehehe |
| 14:00.31 | Matthias | valdyn: atapi |
| 14:00.36 | liable | bah, sunday just happened :( |
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| 14:00.50 | valdyn | Matthias: and you're using scsi emulation in 2.6? |
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| 14:01.38 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:02.00 | Matthias | valdyn: right |
| 14:02.13 | Matthias | valdyn: I would like to use ;) |
| 14:02.28 | valdyn | Matthias: then don't use scsi emulation, it's not supported anymore. |
| 14:02.54 | valdyn | Matthias: rather: broken and unmaintained. |
| 14:03.06 | abrotman | it was broken when it was maintained :) |
| 14:03.14 | valdyn | or that. |
| 14:03.36 | Matthias | valdyn: aha? in 2.6.. what should I do? |
| 14:03.46 | abrotman | just use the drive without ide-scsi |
| 14:03.53 | Matthias | valdyn: downgrade to 2.4? |
| 14:04.09 | abrotman | no .. use it like a normal drive ? |
| 14:04.14 | Matthias | abrotman: ok, thanks. |
| 14:04.20 | valdyn | Matthias: just don't use scsi emulation. If you are using a custom kernel i cant help you, if you use a debian kernel, dont load the ide-scsi module and remove it from /etc/modules |
| 14:04.38 | abrotman | and any options reserving the drive from your bootloader |
| 14:05.07 | Matthias | valdyn: ok, thank you |
| 14:05.10 | valdyn | Matthias: either use cdrecord -dev=ATA -scanbus , or just cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc ( or whatever it is ) |
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| 14:05.52 | Matthias | valdyn: yes, I know. I thought you want me to do something special *g |
| 14:06.06 | valdyn | Matthias: i see, nope. |
| 14:06.13 | Matthias | valdyn: thank's a lot |
| 14:07.47 | Matthias | I'll try.. |
| 14:08.12 | abrotman | hrm ... |
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| 14:08.54 | gnraf | hmm... i read surrender... ;-) |
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| 14:09.31 | nvz | oh my, that was a divine way to spend 45 minutes |
| 14:09.46 | dystopian | food was good huh? |
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| 14:09.50 | nvz | with breakfast out of the way I am back to being bored :P |
| 14:09.54 | liable | nvz: good brekky? |
| 14:10.18 | nvz | yeah, I still cant cook eggs worth a shit, but it was good anyway |
| 14:10.41 | shingouz | 7-11 time for me. out of smokes :p |
| 14:10.42 | dystopian | that's sad to me. eggs are like one of the few things I can cook... |
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| 14:11.14 | abrotman | nvz: lunch? |
| 14:11.24 | abrotman | shingouz: they have a 7-11 there? |
| 14:11.49 | liable | prolly better understood to say that. |
| 14:11.56 | nvz | abrotman: its 10 after 10am, and I just finished with breakfast.. I am not even thinking about lunch |
| 14:12.35 | nvz | since I ate 3 large eggs, 5 stips of bacon, two hashbrown patties, and four pieces of toast with milk.. I don't think I need to even worry about lunch. |
| 14:12.40 | dystopian | eastern time. it's really only 10 after 9. :P |
| 14:12.45 | slackd00d | since topic says sid is unstable....is that why I cant install kde now on a fresh install? |
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| 14:12.52 | nvz | hmm maybe my clock is wront |
| 14:12.55 | abrotman | nvz: brunch! |
| 14:12.56 | nvz | or yours is wrong |
| 14:13.07 | dystopian | heheh |
| 14:13.08 | nvz | mine says 10:12am, and I am EST |
| 14:13.15 | valdyn | slackd00d: a fresh sid install? probably. |
| 14:13.16 | abrotman | slackd00d: it's uhm .. unstable? .. and which kde ? |
| 14:13.41 | abrotman | nvz: yu're not back in fiji ? |
| 14:13.46 | nvz | heh |
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| 14:13.54 | nvz | I never went to fiji you zoof |
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| 14:14.06 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 14:14.11 | nvz | heh |
| 14:14.16 | nvz | thats my smite! |
| 14:14.23 | abrotman | i have no philly smite! |
| 14:14.25 | slackd00d | abrotman: ive tried just the kde that is in sid, 3.3.2 and ive tried alioth 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 |
| 14:14.40 | abrotman | slackd00d: ok .. so what's the problem ? |
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| 14:15.20 | slackd00d | abrotman: it's just missing alot of deps....when i try to install it says its alot cant be installed and wont be installed |
| 14:15.30 | slackd00d | or they're wrong versions |
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| 14:16.06 | nvz | I think its time to wake someone up.. I just got myself back to daylight schedule I've been up for like 3 hours or more now and everyone else is still in bed |
| 14:16.20 | valdyn | slackd00d: apt-get install kde works for me: 0 upgraded, 231 newly installed, 0 to remove and 14 not upgraded., which package are you missing? |
| 14:16.27 | asg | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 14:16.41 | FieldySnuts | dystopian: lots of us learned our lessons yesterday and put him on ignore |
| 14:16.44 | jedd | slackd00d: i'm going thru this pain right now with a new box (an amd64 - to add to the confusion). try manually grabbing the libjack0.80.0-0_0.99.0-6_i386 deb .. and install that. and then try apt'getting the kde stuff again. |
| 14:17.02 | liable | mmmm, cheese steak sounds good. |
| 14:17.05 | nvz | I could go to Sewickley and sit in a bagelshop and BS with yuppies like everyone else in town does.. but I would look out of place, cause I dont drink coffee, eat bagels, or have a decent suit |
| 14:17.09 | slackd00d | jedd: libjack is what it all comes down to on mine too accually |
| 14:17.11 | dystopian | FieldySnuts, noted. |
| 14:17.39 | dystopian | FieldySnuts, just curious- that bad? |
| 14:17.44 | slackd00d | valdyn: like jedd...all the dep problems end back at libjack0.80.0-0_0.99.0-6_i386 deb |
| 14:17.53 | jedd | slackd00d: [nod] my local mirror (my isp in sydney) has three vers, though only two show up with apt-cache search .. weird. it might be sync time worldwide for certain packages, or, more loikely, it's just that there's b0rked dependencies in unstable .. as you'd expet. |
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| 14:18.06 | abrotman | where'd that come from ? |
| 14:18.12 | FieldySnuts | whree did what come from |
| 14:18.19 | abrotman | slackd00d: ask #debian-kde |
| 14:18.20 | asg | abrotman: ask and ye shall receive |
| 14:18.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:18.35 | abrotman | !literal cmd: phillysmite (.*?) |
| 14:18.35 | dpkg | CMD: phillysmite (.*?) is ($1): <action>smites $1 with (a Live-8 concert|a cheesesteak) |
| 14:18.38 | jedd | slackd00d: there was no way i could apt-get the right file .. so i had to lftp it in manually and dpkg it into place .. after that i was going to work back up the chain (libarts, kdelibs4, etc) - but didn't need to. libjack was the sole problem. |
| 14:18.45 | valdyn | slackd00d: just get that file at http://snapshot.debian.net ? |
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| 14:19.03 | doomster | hi! |
| 14:19.39 | jedd | i now have the dubious honour of pulling in 130mb of kde 3.4.1 stuff .. time for a nice warm cup of tea i think. :) |
| 14:19.40 | abrotman | !cmd: phillysmite (.*?) =~ s/cheesesteak/cheesesteak|a Liberty Bell|a giant clothespin|a raging Eagles fan/ |
| 14:19.47 | abrotman | ack |
| 14:19.48 | slackd00d | valdyn: im installing it now |
| 14:19.48 | kesu-ki | I have a 16x DVD-burner and it's buring at 3x speeds with k3b... and I know my system can handle 16 burns fine, because it does in windows ;p |
| 14:20.06 | abrotman | !cmd: phillysmite (.*?) =~ s/cheesesteak/cheesesteak|a Liberty Bell|a giant clothespin|a raging Eagles fan/ |
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| 14:20.16 | abrotman | what did i do wrong ? |
| 14:20.18 | nvz | jeet jet? juwanna go ahn dahntahn getcha fillie cheestake? |
| 14:20.21 | dystopian | you can change that in k3b |
| 14:20.32 | kesu-ki | it's set to auro |
| 14:20.35 | valdyn | kesu-ki: did you set k3b to use 16x or max speed? |
| 14:20.54 | jedd | kesu-ki: when you hit the 'auto' button on the right in the burn box .. it refreshes the capabilitie s of the burner .. does that actually show up that 16x is an option? |
| 14:20.58 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:21.03 | abrotman | !phillysmite asg |
| 14:21.10 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 14:21.13 | kesu-ki | it claims that it was gonna burn at 8.2x speed in the dialog |
| 14:21.17 | abrotman | !phillysmite asg |
| 14:21.22 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 14:21.27 | asg | abrotman: a double |
| 14:21.30 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 14:21.31 | abrotman | !phillysmite asg |
| 14:21.34 | kesu-ki | but it only did 3x. |
| 14:21.36 | abrotman | i broked it |
| 14:21.44 | FieldySnuts | the rand on it sucks sometimes |
| 14:21.45 | jedd | kesu-ki: when you burn in MS-Windows, are you burning from the same source -- ie, the same ide or sata source drive? |
| 14:21.47 | netfrog | kesu-ki: dvd burner model? |
| 14:21.55 | abrotman | oh .. ffs |
| 14:21.56 | abrotman | no |
| 14:22.00 | abrotman | !literal cmd: phillysmite (.*?) |
| 14:22.00 | dpkg | CMD: phillysmite (.*?) is ($1): <action>smites $1 with (a Live-8 concert|a cheesesteak|a Liberty Bell|a giant clothespin|a raging Eagles fan|a Liberty Bell|a giant clothespin|a raging Eagles fan) |
| 14:22.03 | asg | i'll fix it |
| 14:22.07 | kesu-ki | NEc i can get the exact model it would take a min |
| 14:22.13 | websdale | kesu-ki:I stopped using k3b & use gnomebaker instead - it seems to have less problems with 2.6 kernels |
| 14:22.16 | jedd | abrotman: can you perhaps frig around with dpkg in private? |
| 14:22.22 | abrotman | jedd: aw hell no! |
| 14:22.44 | jedd | kesu-ki: i doubt it's an application issue .. can you answer my earlier question please? |
| 14:22.47 | abrotman | !phillysmite asg |
| 14:22.51 | asg | bah |
| 14:22.52 | abrotman | almost |
| 14:23.08 | jedd | abrotman: it's quite annoying, you know. shoosh now. |
| 14:23.09 | kesu-ki | when i burn in windows, i use a different hard drive, but i copy my files to the windows drive in about 3 minutes for 4.4 gigs |
| 14:23.19 | abrotman | jedd: i'm trying to fix it you fucktard |
| 14:23.24 | nvz | abrotman: howsabout finaglin' dat bot in privis innat |
| 14:23.29 | abrotman | nvz: i did .. |
| 14:23.30 | slackd00d | valdyn: jedd: that solved most of the problem...now all will install except kdenetwork -> kwifimanager -> libiw27 >=27 |
| 14:23.30 | asg | abrotman: fixed |
| 14:23.32 | nvz | heh |
| 14:23.40 | abrotman | nvz: i thouhgt it was fixed .. |
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| 14:23.50 | jedd | kesu-ki: so .. when you burn in ms-windows, is the source on the same ide bus? when you burn in debian, is the source on the same bus? |
| 14:23.53 | FieldySnuts | !do test |
| 14:23.54 | abrotman | !phillysmite asg |
| 14:23.57 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:24.01 | jedd | abrotman: your reparte is truly dizzying. |
| 14:24.07 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 14:24.07 | apt | Pakistan sucks! |
| 14:24.09 | abrotman | jedd: are you going to cry ? |
| 14:24.19 | dystopian | that raging eagles fan was kinda funny though. |
| 14:24.26 | jedd | abrotman: tears of joy at the amazing functionality you've restored to .. whatever the fnoot it was you were fixing. |
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| 14:24.37 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 14:24.37 | apt | Pakistan sucks! |
| 14:24.37 | abrotman | jedd: good .. now shut up |
| 14:24.42 | FieldySnuts | see the rand sucks sometimes |
| 14:24.47 | abrotman | yeah .. |
| 14:24.48 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a world war |
| 14:24.48 | apt | Pakistan will get turned into a sheet of glass by Iran! |
| 14:24.51 | jedd | abrotman: i'm trying to fix you, you fucktard. |
| 14:24.53 | FieldySnuts | haha still about Pakistan |
| 14:24.54 | kesu-ki | i already know that i haven't done anything besides what debian set 'default' performance setting to0 |
| 14:25.02 | abrotman | jedd: there's nothing wrong with me you moron |
| 14:25.09 | FieldySnuts | jedd: /ignore |
| 14:25.13 | jedd | kesu-ki: do you understand the point i'm aiming at here? |
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| 14:25.48 | kesu-ki | that there is a bottelneck in the io, but it's not hardware related, and i can't find out how to set linux to use the hardware as fast as it can |
| 14:25.58 | jedd | kesu-ki: reading and writing down the same ide bus is slow. reading from one bus and writing down another is fast. you are quite likely doing the latter with your ms-windows setup, and the former with your debian setup. well, if not 'likely', then 'quite possibly' |
| 14:25.58 | abrotman | kesu-ki: what filesystems ? |
| 14:26.03 | abyss | lo got a problem, i have an notebook (Amilo K 7600) and ive installed acpi,acpid,apmd,powernow but either it get so hot |
| 14:26.03 | asg | kesu-ki: hdparm if you have IDE drives |
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| 14:26.06 | jedd | FieldySnuts: shoosh now. |
| 14:26.15 | FieldySnuts | jedd: shove it, son. |
| 14:26.15 | abrotman | quite a prick eh? |
| 14:26.18 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 14:26.18 | Madness455 | hi. i am trying to find out about how open/free the tar/tgz compression format is |
| 14:26.27 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:26.32 | FieldySnuts | date him for me |
| 14:26.38 | abrotman | !date jedd |
| 14:26.46 | asg | Madness455: apt-get source tar gzip (look for yourself) |
| 14:26.48 | valdyn | kesu-ki: "hdparm /dev/hda | grep dma", repeat for your dvd drive. |
| 14:26.50 | abrotman | Madness455: afaik .. completely free .. www.gnu.org should have more info |
| 14:26.57 | jedd | are you guys here to talk about anything, say, debian related? |
| 14:27.05 | FieldySnuts | no. are you? |
| 14:27.11 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate jedd |
| 14:27.11 | apt | jedd: wenas who uses sound !!!1 |
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| 14:27.21 | jedd | FieldySnuts: /ignore fieldy's nuts. |
| 14:27.31 | FieldySnuts | if you say so |
| 14:27.36 | Madness455 | thnx abotman. i thought as much, but struggling to finds out much |
| 14:27.41 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: are you going to cry ? |
| 14:27.46 | FieldySnuts | uh no? |
| 14:27.51 | abrotman | Madness455: gnu provides the tar for debian |
| 14:27.58 | dystopian | jedd: I think it's pronounced more like feel deez nuts |
| 14:28.03 | jedd | abrotman: you're a script, aren't you. maybe you need more than 3 responses. |
| 14:28.06 | abyss | lo got a problem, i have an notebook (Amilo K 7600) and ive installed acpi,acpid,apmd,powernow but either it get so hot!exist there any other solutions? |
| 14:28.21 | FieldySnuts | jedd: and you are a troll |
| 14:28.24 | abrotman | jedd: you're a moron, aren't you. maybe you need the correct response once in a while. |
| 14:28.28 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: irritate jedd |
| 14:28.30 | liable | abyss: dont run acpid anapmd at the same time to start with. |
| 14:28.31 | kesu-ki | just a sec need to install whatever has hdparm |
| 14:28.34 | FieldySnuts | heh damnit |
| 14:28.35 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: :( |
| 14:28.44 | FieldySnuts | ah well bbl |
| 14:28.45 | Madness455 | abrotman - yes, it sure looks free and open, but i can't find any info on the format itself. |
| 14:28.49 | valdyn | abyss: your notebook overheats if software does not control the fan/cpu speed? what kind of trash is that? |
| 14:28.52 | ledet | abyss: just go with acpi |
| 14:29.00 | FieldySnuts | apt: aussiesmite jedd |
| 14:29.07 | FieldySnuts | gee got removed, cute |
| 14:29.09 | jedd | you guys really know how to get on with your life, don't you. |
| 14:29.12 | ledet | valdyn: mine does so too... asus-crap :) |
| 14:29.16 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i think rb has |
| 14:29.24 | kesu-ki | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.28 | FieldySnuts | jedd: all you can do is insult people and dump on them, who needs "a life" now? |
| 14:29.33 | abrotman | Madness455: google said nothing ? |
| 14:29.35 | Madness455 | thnx. i'll look up more on gnu website |
| 14:29.43 | kesu-ki | it's off on the dvd-+rw tho |
| 14:29.47 | valdyn | kesu-ki: that is for both drives? |
| 14:29.48 | FieldySnuts | ravenbirdie isn't here, i think simonrvn has him in Osama's cave |
| 14:29.54 | valdyn | kesu-ki: so there you have one error. |
| 14:29.59 | jedd | kesu-ki: what drives do you have in your machine, and where are your ms-windows and debian partitions, and where is your dvd burner? |
| 14:29.59 | FieldySnuts | oh sorry Usama's cave |
| 14:29.59 | liable | dpkg still has it |
| 14:30.09 | FieldySnuts | yeah i know, however he ignores me |
| 14:30.10 | abyss | liable : it hang sometimes completly if the xscreensaver runs a while, heating problems |
| 14:30.15 | FieldySnuts | have to get a lackey to do it for me heh |
| 14:30.20 | Madness455 | google said LOTS of things, abrotman. mainly about apps that impliment tar/tgz. i'm new, so unsure how apps using a format relates to the format itself (i.e. open office reads .doc) |
| 14:30.23 | kesu-ki | windows is on the raid controllor |
| 14:30.32 | liable | jedd: stfu already, you have wasted more channel space than anyone with your trolling. |
| 14:30.33 | kesu-ki | linux is on hda2 |
| 14:30.41 | abrotman | Madness455: what do you want to know exactly ? |
| 14:30.50 | jedd | FieldySnuts: yes yes .. all i can do is insult people .. say by asking them to talk to the bots in /msg's -- as per the channel policy. in return i get called a fucktard by shakespeare over there. you are, of course, right. how's the view from the moral highground? |
| 14:30.52 | doomster | what is the preferred way to configure Debian so people can use their memory sticks/music players/floppies in a natural way? |
| 14:30.56 | kesu-ki | and the dvd-rw is hdc |
| 14:30.58 | abrotman | jedd: just be quite already |
| 14:31.00 | abrotman | err quiet |
| 14:31.08 | abrotman | stupid keyboard |
| 14:31.20 | valdyn | doomster: various, depends on your desktop environment. |
| 14:31.21 | Madness455 | i am wondering how free and open the tar/tgz format is .... if there any licencees on it/any conditions fro use/implimentation |
| 14:31.22 | liable | abyss: does your laptop support acpi? |
| 14:31.26 | dystopian | doomster: in a "natural" way? what is the alternative!? |
| 14:31.26 | abrotman | !tell doomster about vfatrw |
| 14:31.29 | FieldySnuts | jedd: I read about two words. wasting your time. go masturbate or something. |
| 14:31.35 | Madness455 | just curious, really - it seems a ubiquitous format fot GPL stuf |
| 14:31.44 | abrotman | Madness455: oh .. i think it's an OpenGroup standard |
| 14:31.47 | valdyn | it sounds really sick to me if a laptop can overheat whenever the OS crashes. |
| 14:31.50 | abyss | liable : ill think, on other os for sure. how i can check on linx? |
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| 14:31.58 | FieldySnuts | valdyn: shouldn't that be the other way around? |
| 14:31.58 | jedd | Madness455: no licence problems with it. gzip came out of someone's grumpiness about compress, iirc. |
| 14:32.03 | valdyn | s/crashes/hangs/ |
| 14:32.11 | liable | abyss: check /var/log/kern.log |
| 14:32.19 | doomster | valdyn, env = X | terminal |
| 14:32.24 | Madness455 | ok thnx jedd, abortman. |
| 14:32.34 | asg | hah, abortman |
| 14:32.35 | abrotman | Madness455: be aware tar and gzip aren't the same program |
| 14:32.37 | dystopian | valdyn: yeah, that sounds corny to me too. overheats like that? |
| 14:32.40 | liable | abyss: dont run apmd and acpid at the same time. |
| 14:32.41 | abrotman | asg: ? |
| 14:32.46 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:32.50 | abrotman | it highlights |
| 14:32.50 | asg | abrotman: ^^^ RE: Madness455 |
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| 14:33.02 | abrotman | Madness455: http://www.ifh.de/computing/documentation/infohtml/tar/tar_121.html |
| 14:33.17 | valdyn | doomster: apt-cache show usbmount |
| 14:33.22 | abrotman | Madness455: still nothing about the file spec .. but might give you a place to start |
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| 14:33.42 | abyss | liable : Jun 29 22:00:18 localhost kernel: Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling. |
| 14:33.58 | abrotman | Madness455: ask #gnu .. ##linux .. maybe even #solaris |
| 14:34.03 | liable | abyss: no wrong one. acpi you want |
| 14:34.03 | abyss | liable : Jun 29 22:00:18 localhost kernel: Found and enabled local APIC! |
| 14:34.15 | shingouz | abrotman: not really a 7-11, the nearest one would be in stockholm afaik. mostly a generic term this time |
| 14:34.21 | abyss | ohh |
| 14:34.24 | abyss | oh nvm |
| 14:34.24 | abrotman | shingouz: gotcha |
| 14:34.32 | valdyn | abyss: apic is something else, /msg dpkg acpi and /msg dpkg apic |
| 14:34.46 | Madkiss | dpkg: WHAT THE HELL |
| 14:34.47 | dpkg | This! |
| 14:34.57 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:35.05 | nvz | man this town is full of people going for the gold in olympic sleeping |
| 14:35.06 | doomster | valdyn, good suggestion, trying it - thanks! |
| 14:35.06 | liable | abyss: should say something about either apm, or acpi in there. |
| 14:35.12 | abyss | valdyn : i just readed wrong |
| 14:35.13 | abrotman | nvz: back so soon ? |
| 14:35.20 | abyss | Jun 29 22:00:18 localhost kernel: pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 evaluate _BBN fail=0x5 |
| 14:35.35 | liable | nvz: wake the fuckers up. |
| 14:35.38 | nvz | abrotman: yep, came back to try calling people to wake them up.. since the direct approach isnt working |
| 14:35.45 | abyss | and some other who stands :fail=0x5 |
| 14:35.47 | abrotman | nvz: start a fire ? |
| 14:35.52 | dystopian | nvz- gold medalists in this part of the world too. |
| 14:36.10 | valdyn | abyss: maybe there's a bios setting to make heat control automatic. Otherwise i would sell that notebook or give it back to whoever sold it =/ |
| 14:36.29 | TheReverant | I've got debian kernel 2.6 anf cdrecord doesnt work for me |
| 14:36.30 | abrotman | dystopian: no .. my brother lives near nvz .. they truly kick ass at sleeping out there |
| 14:36.41 | liable | abyss: how old is it? |
| 14:37.01 | abyss | liable : about a year |
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| 14:37.30 | liable | abyss: get into bios and disable all apm shit if it has it. |
| 14:37.41 | nvz | I am seconds away from traveling out of town and dropping in on people at random |
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| 14:37.58 | abrotman | nvz: going back to new mexico ? |
| 14:38.04 | liable | abyss: read other logs, see if you find anything. |
| 14:38.04 | abyss | brb |
| 14:38.09 | nvz | I've never been to New Mexico |
| 14:38.24 | abyss | liable :anything what? |
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| 14:38.32 | abrotman | nvz: back to texas ? |
| 14:38.38 | liable | abyss: acpi/apm related |
| 14:38.45 | nvz | no, I am not going to get that far on foot |
| 14:38.57 | abrotman | nvz: no johnny appleseed eh? |
| 14:39.00 | KSergio | Hello. Im trying to install debian on an acer laptop (aspire 1300dxv), and it freezes on "determining grub bot device". any hints? |
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| 14:39.12 | nvz | I was thinking more like dropping in on Kathy in the next town. She's likely awake. |
| 14:39.18 | KSergio | grub boot device, that is |
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| 14:40.25 | nvz | I just don't feel as comfortable going there all the time bored as hell. |
| 14:40.33 | asg | abrotman: you can easily find out |
| 14:40.46 | abrotman | kesu-ki: did you figure anything out ? |
| 14:40.55 | abrotman | asg: i could :) |
| 14:41.03 | nvz | its not that they mind.. they all seem to like me. its more like the only time they see me, I got nothing going on. |
| 14:41.07 | azeem | you decided to silence ~knoppix users? |
| 14:41.08 | XTF | Hi. Is there a utility in Debian to measure the sustained transfer rate of a HDD at the outer and inner edges and everything in between? |
| 14:41.21 | azeem | eh, s/you/who/ |
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| 14:41.27 | abrotman | azeem: yes |
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| 14:41.40 | artaxx_ | hi, all. how do i prevent users who ssh onto my box to waste my internet bandwidth (adsl), but leave the possibility of them browsing the internet using the same account locally on my box? would disabling all outgoing connections for hosts different than 127.0.0.1 work? |
| 14:42.05 | abrotman | artaxx_: if you can't trust them .. don't give them an account |
| 14:42.10 | TheReverant | is it possible to acces the linux hard drive from windows |
| 14:42.14 | TheReverant | through windows* |
| 14:42.17 | abrotman | TheReverant: yes |
| 14:42.19 | dystopian | abrotman read my mind |
| 14:42.21 | asg | TheReverant: it depends on which filesystem you have |
| 14:42.23 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 14:42.23 | dpkg | explore2fs is, like, a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
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| 14:42.40 | abrotman | TheReverant: assuming you made it ext2(i think it works with ext3 also) |
| 14:42.47 | TheReverant | windows has ntfs linux ext |
| 14:42.50 | abrotman | kesu-ki: did you figure anything out ? |
| 14:43.11 | TheReverant | !explore2fs in windows console? |
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| 14:43.29 | artaxx_ | abrotman, ok, i agree, but can it be done? |
| 14:43.37 | abrotman | artaxx_: not that i'm aware of |
| 14:43.45 | abrotman | artaxx_: other than a proxy of some sort |
| 14:43.58 | asg | artaxx_: you could do QoS depending on which protocol is being used (see lartc.org) |
| 14:43.58 | artaxx_ | abrotman, ok, thx. |
| 14:44.07 | migma | abrotman: explore2fs works fine with ext3 for me :) |
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| 14:44.25 | nevyn | TheReverant: or you could get all hardcore and use colinux and samba ;) |
| 14:44.35 | abrotman | TheReverant: i think it maps ext2/3 as a regular drive .. so command.com should work |
| 14:45.14 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:45.23 | artaxx_ | asg: too complicated, but thx. |
| 14:45.27 | abrotman | kesu-ki: really.. not a thing ? |
| 14:45.36 | nvz | If I sit around much longer, I am going to end up asleep again :P I don't know that I really feel up to wandering around anymore.. I am bummed out already, and its not even noon yet |
| 14:45.47 | abrotman | artaxx_: how are they using all your bandwidth ?> |
| 14:45.50 | asg | nvz: find tarzeau and play bnb with him |
| 14:45.54 | nvz | heh |
| 14:45.54 | furrywolf | nvz: go to garage sales. |
| 14:46.11 | dystopian | what about a bookstore? that always entertains me for at least a little while nvz |
| 14:46.12 | abrotman | nvz: go for a bike ride? |
| 14:46.22 | asg | furrywolf: but how man copies of Frampton Comes Alive does one need? |
| 14:46.23 | abrotman | nvz: i know .. GO TO CHURCH!!!! |
| 14:46.31 | liable | nvz: have a pull, go to sleep. :P |
| 14:46.34 | abrotman | they're always open .. and let any sicko in there .. |
| 14:46.41 | nvz | bah, I don't want to browse through other peoples trash. I only have like $0.15 and if I wanted their trash, I could wait untill tuesday when the sale is over and get it for free |
| 14:46.49 | nvz | when they throw it away |
| 14:46.56 | artaxx_ | abrotman, they aren't. they used 7kbps out of 80kbps. |
| 14:47.05 | abrotman | artaxx_: and that's a problem ? |
| 14:47.17 | abrotman | furrywolf: you should sell milk |
| 14:47.20 | furrywolf | nvz: obviously you live in a very poor area and/or have no experience garage saling. :P |
| 14:47.22 | nvz | abrotman: the church across the street closed down.. that goes to show you how popular church is here.. they arent open on Saturday anyhow. |
| 14:47.34 | abrotman | nvz: catholic churches are always open |
| 14:47.44 | artaxx_ | abrotman, i don't want them to fill up my hard drive... i tried to use quota, but failed. |
| 14:47.44 | abrotman | or were in the little town i grew up in |
| 14:47.44 | dystopian | I guess the bookstore is out of the question then nvz? |
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| 14:48.07 | abrotman | artaxx_: how did that fail? .. that's how you do that .. or alternately .. put them on /home2 .. with a small limit |
| 14:48.13 | dystopian | what about video games? |
| 14:48.15 | nvz | abrotman: and the only bike I have is a total piece of shit, or I would have already been out bike riding |
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| 14:48.23 | digitalbit | Hi! i'm using a pci express card ... do I need to set on this on the kernel -> /dev/agpgart (AGP Support) ? |
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| 14:48.46 | dystopian | video games? watch a dang dvd or something |
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| 14:49.07 | abrotman | nvz: use your $.15 and get some wd40 :) |
| 14:49.19 | nvz | I'm actually getting tired of playing that damn video game. |
| 14:49.30 | nvz | abrotman: it needs a whole lot more than wd40 |
| 14:49.32 | abrotman | nvz: play enigma! |
| 14:49.36 | artaxx_ | abrotman, i have no idea! for some reason quotacheck couldn't update the info in quota. i tried filling up one of my users' ~dir while logged in as root and quotacheck couldn't tell it's packed a lot beyond the quota set. |
| 14:49.50 | abrotman | artaxx_: because you were root |
| 14:49.57 | artaxx_ | abrotman, uh-oh... ownership... |
| 14:49.58 | furrywolf | hrmm, some of my garage sale finds... 4 pc133 512mb dimms, 4 pc133 256mb dimms, and some assorted smaller ones, $1. my dual motherboard, new in sealed box, $5. complete working athlon system, $7. 768mb rdramm, cheap. wide-format photo-quality inkjet, $1. b&w laser printer, $0.50. large toolbox stuffed full of craftsman sockets, accessories, etc, $5. 52x24x52 cd burner, $1. 24 port ethernet switch, $0.50. umm.... :P |
| 14:50.00 | abrotman | artaxx_: the seperate partition thing might work |
| 14:50.12 | furrywolf | anyone who's only finding trash is in the wrong area or doing something wrong. :) |
| 14:50.28 | artaxx_ | abrotman, what does quotacheck look for? |
| 14:50.28 | thingfish | wow man, if true, those are some great finds. |
| 14:50.41 | josep_ | I have replaced my CD burner with a DVD burner, but now nautilus-cdburner won't show the new dvd burner as an option where to burn a cd image. |
| 14:50.44 | dystopian | *whew* furry |
| 14:50.50 | abrotman | artaxx_: i've never done quotas on linux(other unixes only) .. but we used to get around the quota on an AIX box by chmod a-rwx on stuff that was too big .. |
| 14:50.51 | artaxx_ | abrotman, only blocks in his home dir or blocks in his home dir _he owns_? |
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| 14:51.10 | abrotman | artaxx_: probably that he owns |
| 14:51.15 | abrotman | just a guess though |
| 14:51.18 | artaxx_ | abrotman, there's my problem then... |
| 14:51.19 | asg | artaxx_: it's based on the uid or the person on the partitino |
| 14:51.19 | abrotman | should be easy to figure out |
| 14:51.22 | asg | s/or/of/ |
| 14:51.30 | josep_ | How do I make gnome see the new dvd-burner? What's needed to change? HAL, DBUS? |
| 14:51.35 | abrotman | artaxx_: quota should have a tool to report usage .. |
| 14:51.36 | nvz | furrywolf: I get that stuff for free all the time, got more of it than I know what to do with.. I got my monitor sitting here on a pc that I am not even using, got another one over there I am not using.. got two huge boxes full of parts that were given to me. |
| 14:51.42 | nevyn | abrotman: my best mate used to have login scripts that untarred a compressed file on login and recompressed it on logout |
| 14:51.43 | abrotman | josep_: dmesg .. see it ? |
| 14:51.47 | asg | hmmm, must have go my keyboard from the same garage sale as abrotman |
| 14:51.50 | abrotman | nevyn: yeah .. |
| 14:51.53 | furrywolf | nvz: then hook me up with some free stuff, eh? :P |
| 14:51.54 | abrotman | asg: heh |
| 14:51.59 | artaxx_ | abrotman, it does, quota -v. but it never seemed to change for the user in question. |
| 14:52.07 | abrotman | artaxx_: su - user |
| 14:52.12 | abrotman | artaxx_: then try creating files |
| 14:52.13 | josep_ | abrotman: yes, the dvd-burner is detected and "working", but gnome won't do anything about it |
| 14:52.17 | artaxx_ | abrotman, right. thanx a lot. |
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| 14:52.43 | nvz | furrywolf: I got two Dell/Segate 36gb SCSI-3 hotswap drives I have no use in the world for.. |
| 14:52.45 | valdyn | josep_: what is really the problem? nautilus won't necessarily show "dvd-something" if you have a dvd-burner. |
| 14:52.53 | abrotman | nvz: i do :) |
| 14:53.02 | abrotman | nvz: SCA drives? |
| 14:53.05 | furrywolf | nvz: if you have scsi3 card to pack with them, feel free to ship them here. :P |
| 14:53.12 | asg | nvz: iirc, simonrvn was looking for some a while back. |
| 14:53.27 | furrywolf | where is simonrvn, btw? |
| 14:53.33 | josep_ | valdyn: well, if you have a cd iso image, and right click to it, normally you will be able to burn it, and it will show all burners available (it did that before wiht my previous cd-burner) |
| 14:53.39 | abrotman | and where is streuner |
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| 14:53.41 | nvz | abrotman: I have no idea what they are. just says Seagate SCSI-3 and they are in some hotswap bracket that says dell on it, and has a handle with a lever |
| 14:54.01 | asg | !seen streuner |
| 14:54.02 | dpkg | streuner <foobar@p54A5EAE1.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2h 3m 32s ago, saying: 'nornagon: it would help'. |
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| 14:54.07 | abrotman | nvz: oh .. maybe they are sca .. easy to tell .. if you remove from bracket .. only one connector? |
| 14:54.09 | nvz | asg: well I got em.. couldnt tell you if'n they work, as I dont have anything to use em with |
| 14:54.23 | josep_ | valdyn: nautilus shows my two CDs correctly, it just doesn't act on them automagically as it "should" (when inserting a disc it should pop-up a nautilus window with the contents, etc) |
| 14:54.30 | nvz | abrotman: you can see the connector with the bracket on.. its one big brown connector |
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| 14:54.54 | abrotman | nvz: it's a SCA drive .. 36GB .. probably worth $50 on ebay if you knew they worked |
| 14:54.55 | josep_ | Just for more info: I'm usig sid updated 3~4 days agao |
| 14:55.02 | furrywolf | and, other than single connector attachment, sca is...? :) |
| 14:55.11 | nvz | I got a 4gb external scsi drive too. I have absolutly no use for |
| 14:55.12 | abrotman | josep_: you mean automount ? |
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| 14:55.18 | valdyn | josep_: nautilus uses libburn or somesuch, which in turn scans /proc/ or /sys something.. reading |
| 14:55.19 | abrotman | !sca |
| 14:55.20 | dpkg | somebody said sca was the Society for Creative Anachronism or in some circles, Society of Consenting Adults. :). Single Connector Attachment |
| 14:55.21 | doomster | I'm looking for a spriteeditor, any ideas anyone? |
| 14:55.31 | abrotman | furrywolf: what else do you want to know about it ? |
| 14:55.33 | furrywolf | abrotman: that's where I got single connector attachment from. :P |
| 14:55.48 | Jellybob | Does anyone know how to get a 2.6 kernel installed on a machine that was installed with 2.4 |
| 14:55.51 | abrotman | furrywolf: it's scsi .. the power travels through that connector |
| 14:56.01 | abrotman | Jellybob: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 14:56.03 | Jellybob | I'm running Sarge, and apt-cache search ^kernel only shows 2.4 kernels |
| 14:56.13 | josep_ | abrotman: well, I'm not sure if automount is the thins, hal (or dbus?) should inform gnome that I put a CD on the burner, and nautilus should show start exploring it (I suppose automount is also part of it9 |
| 14:56.16 | asg | Jellybob: apt-get install kernel-image (check what exists) |
| 14:56.28 | valdyn | josep_: now read /usr/share/doc/libnautilus-burn1/README |
| 14:56.30 | furrywolf | so it's just scsi with a funky adapter needed, then? |
| 14:56.32 | abrotman | josep_: not sure .. but if you find out . let me know :) |
| 14:56.36 | josep_ | valdyn: cdrecod -scanbus -dev=ATA should the burner correctly |
| 14:56.41 | Jellybob | 2.4.27, 2.4.18, 2.4.16, 2.2.20 |
| 14:56.44 | josep_ | abrotman: lol, I'll do :) |
| 14:56.47 | asg | Jellybob: you don't have sarge then |
| 14:56.48 | abrotman | furrywolf: you don't need the adapter .. there are cards that are sca directly |
| 14:56.50 | valdyn | josep_: but nautilus does not use cdrecord.. |
| 14:56.56 | abrotman | furrywolf: but sca is usually for machines with a backplane |
| 14:57.02 | josep_ | valdyn: I mean, it does show the burner not (should :) |
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| 14:57.06 | abrotman | asg: yes he does |
| 14:57.13 | Jellybob | asg: Debian 3.1 is the current stable right? |
| 14:57.13 | abrotman | asg: 2.4.27 ? |
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| 14:57.21 | furrywolf | abrotman: hrmm. I'd rather not add that much extra power draw on the atx connector... some of these dual p3 boards have a habit of melting them already. :) |
| 14:57.22 | asg | abrotman: it would show 2.6.8 |
| 14:57.26 | asg | abrotman: also, 2.2.20 |
| 14:57.27 | abrotman | asg: yes .. it should |
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| 14:57.35 | josep_ | valdyn: well, the thing is that there is something in the chain broken here, and I think it is hal, but I know very little about it :( |
| 14:57.36 | asg | abrotman: looks like a woody/potato -> sarge |
| 14:57.52 | Jellybob | asg: This is a fresh install from a Sarge netinstall |
| 14:57.52 | abrotman | furrywolf: we have a few at my office .. dome are dual p3 . some are quad p3 .. they have backplanes |
| 14:57.54 | valdyn | josep_: i still dont get it, does cdrecord show the burner? |
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| 14:57.59 | abrotman | even the PPro has a backplane |
| 14:57.59 | josep_ | valdyn: yes |
| 14:58.11 | valdyn | josep_: so read the readme i told you about. |
| 14:58.13 | asg | Jellybob: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in our paster bot (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 14:58.16 | abrotman | Jellybob: apt-setup .. pick an http source |
| 14:58.25 | initech | furrywolf: sca is hot plug scsi or fiber, and it requires a backplane or an adapter so you can plug a regular cable to it |
| 14:58.26 | josep_ | valdyn: I have a partition with FC4, and it detected and showed the burner well, and I could burn with it |
| 14:58.29 | asg | Jellybob: oh, also, what architecture are you using? |
| 14:58.33 | valdyn | josep_: it has intructions on how to get debugging information. |
| 14:58.34 | josep_ | valdyn: ok, I'm on it :) |
| 14:58.37 | abrotman | furrywolf: with backplane .. think bigger machine .. like 4U etc |
| 14:58.38 | nvz | they are Segate Cheetah ST3366005LC ULTRA-3 SCSI Drives in dell hotswap brackets. has a black handle with a lever and 3 little lights |
| 14:58.40 | Jellybob | asg: i386 |
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| 14:58.54 | abrotman | nvz: 15k drives .. maybe |
| 14:58.54 | asg | Jellybob: better paste those sources then |
| 14:59.02 | Jellybob | abrotman: Doing it at the moment |
| 14:59.04 | furrywolf | abrotman: yes. I know. and I'm saying I don't have a shiny server box. :P |
| 14:59.16 | nvz | abrotman: probably |
| 14:59.17 | abrotman | furrywolf: you can have a rusty one .. been around for a while |
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| 14:59.50 | initech | sometime you can get sca drives cheap as fuck. |
| 14:59.59 | abrotman | sometimes ... |
| 15:00.01 | initech | the adapters aren't cheap tho |
| 15:00.03 | abrotman | if the person doesn't know what it is |
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| 15:00.05 | Jellybob | abrotman: Thanks - thats done it |
| 15:00.07 | nvz | yeah like these two I got for free |
| 15:00.09 | abrotman | Jellybob: yay |
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| 15:00.23 | furrywolf | nvz: I'll trade you a stack of external scsi zip drives for them. :P |
| 15:00.36 | initech | abrotman: i got 3 18G scsi ultra160 for $35 US ... not bad |
| 15:00.51 | abrotman | initech: but U160 .. and 18GB ... |
| 15:01.00 | nvz | heh. I dont have scsi. I have a single adaptec scsi card around somewhere, dont know what its good for, cause I dont have any internal/external cables or drives |
| 15:01.00 | dystopian | I got a p3 gateway laptop with sarge installed. what can I get for it ya think? |
| 15:01.05 | abyss | with which command ill make a kernel image ? make-dpkg ? |
| 15:01.17 | furrywolf | !kpkg |
| 15:01.17 | dpkg | i heard kpkg is a KDE package manager designed for handling RPM files, but can also somewhat handle debs. If you're looking for kernel-package ask me about that instead |
| 15:01.21 | asg | !kp |
| 15:01.21 | dpkg | [kp] To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 15:01.24 | initech | abrotman: what do I care ... they're for the system disks anyway, and they're fast as fuck |
| 15:01.28 | abrotman | nvz: you can buy adapters if you want to use that adaptec card with those drives |
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| 15:01.35 | nvz | I dont have zip disks either, and they are expensive and obsoleted by things like flash, dvd+rw, which I do have |
| 15:01.36 | asg | dystopian: how much do you want for it? |
| 15:01.37 | furrywolf | asg: yep, that's the one I was looking for. :) |
| 15:01.37 | abrotman | initech: scsi is sooo much better than sata :) |
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| 15:01.57 | furrywolf | dystopian: I'll trade you a stack of external scsi zip drives for it. :P |
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| 15:02.00 | asg | hmmm, me wonders if KP still makes great crisps |
| 15:02.12 | dystopian | furrywolf, nah. |
| 15:02.13 | nvz | zip disks are probably still like $10 each, and they dont hold much data |
| 15:02.32 | furrywolf | nvz: yeah, but I have a stack of them in the garage. I think I paid $1 for the stack... |
| 15:02.42 | dystopian | thing is, I really don't know what I want for it... |
| 15:02.54 | osity | can someone help me with raid....? Vaka was helping me yesterday but I cant find hime |
| 15:02.57 | initech | abrotman: yeah ... my desktop is 100% scsi and everything works so well, it is very responsive |
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| 15:03.04 | nvz | I did like my internal IDE Zip 100 drive when I had one and actually had disks for it, though they were quick, reliable, and portable |
| 15:03.22 | abrotman | initech: i used to have Dual PIII with SCSI .. what a great machine |
| 15:03.24 | abyss | make-kpkg : unknown command |
| 15:03.31 | furrywolf | only scsi I have at the moment is my good scanner... everything else is either ide or usb. |
| 15:03.34 | asg | abyss: install the packages the bot told you to |
| 15:03.38 | abrotman | initech: sold it .. bought a laptop .. i'm insane |
| 15:03.40 | abyss | i getted the source,header and make an make config |
| 15:03.42 | asg | abyss: /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:03.50 | liable | abyss: install it, kernel-package. |
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| 15:04.19 | initech | abrotman: well scsi can be a pain in the ass. termination and cabling issues can be a bitch. ide/sata don't have those problems |
| 15:04.29 | asg | furrywolf: the hitachi vibrator also? |
| 15:04.44 | dystopian | oh, the battery is crapped out on the laptop so that probably takes its worth down a bit... |
| 15:04.47 | furrywolf | asg: nah. the only hitachi vibe I have is a standard mains powered one. |
| 15:05.02 | furrywolf | dystopian: all the more reason I want it. I like rebuilding laptop batteries. |
| 15:05.03 | asg | furrywolf: I'd stay away from anything plugged into the mains |
| 15:05.04 | abrotman | initech: worth it |
| 15:05.04 | osity | i partitioned a drive as one big partition and now when ubuntu boots it says special drive sda not found ...any ideas? |
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| 15:05.16 | josep_ | what's the problem with the keys when apt-get update? "... the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B629A24C38C6029A"? |
| 15:05.18 | abrotman | osity: #ubuntu |
| 15:05.20 | nvz | what I need is a decent video card (at least nvidia 5200-5700 range) and what would be sweet is like one of those Playstation->usb gadgets I cant seem to find anymore, or an equivelently good and linux supported gamepad. though even the gamepads that have the same general design and functionality of the original PS controller, still arent as good or comfortable to hold |
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| 15:05.26 | dystopian | how do you rebuild batteries? |
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| 15:05.32 | osity | abrotman: ok |
| 15:05.33 | asg | dystopian: buy new ones |
| 15:05.33 | furrywolf | asg: the hitachi ones aren't really for internal use... |
| 15:05.37 | DeepB | hi, anyone here has a project hosted in Berlios? or is a Berlios user? if so, i'd recommend changing your password ASAP. I've discovered a easily exploitable security hole which could lead to password stealing, impersonating, and code tampering. The Berlios staff has been already warned. Take care. |
| 15:05.46 | furrywolf | dystopian: I have a case of li-ion cells in the garage... |
| 15:05.46 | asg | furrywolf: true but you might get a nasty shock nontheless |
| 15:06.08 | furrywolf | asg: so don't use it if the plastic is damaged? can't be any more dangerous than the average power tool. :P |
| 15:06.13 | dystopian | but wouldn't that be buying a new battery asg? how is that rebuilt? |
| 15:06.18 | initech | abrotman: yeah i think so. i got an adaptec 39160 for the drives and a 2940 for the writer, dvd and tape |
| 15:06.24 | asg | furrywolf: heh |
| 15:06.25 | nvz | I need to spend any money I get on new clothes, and then to get myself a new place to live.. so I dont have even the smallest hardware budget right now, I can only get what it given to me |
| 15:06.35 | abrotman | initech: good deal .. speed rules :) |
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| 15:07.17 | initech | abrotman: you know, it's not so much the speed but the responsiveness. everything just works so well |
| 15:07.43 | nvz | I _had_ 3 new pairs of jeans, one dissapeared somewhere between living with Cara in morgantown, and here.. so I now got like two pairs of jeans, and some old shorts. I look like a cartoon wearing the same thing all the time.. I definatly need new clothes :P |
| 15:07.47 | abrotman | initech: i know .. i kind of miss my box .. but the laptop is pretty nice |
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| 15:08.00 | furrywolf | asg: it's pretty useless anyway... as I said, not for internal use. one of those Beyond 2000 vibes would be much more fun, but they're expensive. |
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| 15:08.04 | abrotman | !job nvz |
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| 15:08.09 | lestest | hi there how do I configure channel bounding on debian? |
| 15:08.29 | nvz | when I am working I normally dont think about buying clothes and stuff I need. |
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| 15:09.01 | dystopian | ok... later on folks. seeya around. |
| 15:09.11 | initech | abrotman: like if I iconified mplayer playing a movie on my ide dvd, it would stop. sometimes it would skip. with scsi, it is just perfect |
| 15:09.30 | abrotman | initech: right .. and i still don't think sata compares |
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| 15:09.43 | nvz | they are opening a FedEx warehouse down in the Leetsdale Industrial Park.. I am applying for a gob there, with the reference of the park manager, so as soon as they are ready to go, I should have a decent steady job. |
| 15:10.16 | furrywolf | one of these days I ought to turn every USB gizmo I have plugged in on, just so I can paste (via the paster!) my lsusb output. :) |
| 15:11.31 | nvz | furrywolf: I've made some cool USB gadgets.. |
| 15:11.34 | shingouz | furrywolf: you are going to blow your PSU if you do that |
| 15:12.03 | furrywolf | shingouz: nah, all the power-hungry devices are plugged into powered hubs |
| 15:12.25 | shingouz | furrywolf: you have 3-phase current coming into your lab? wow |
| 15:12.32 | initech | abrotman: it doesn't. it's just a half assed scsi |
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| 15:12.48 | initech | abrotman: but the drives are sooo cheap |
| 15:13.38 | abrotman | initech: i know .. |
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| 15:13.47 | abrotman | it's still better than ide/pata i guess |
| 15:14.49 | furrywolf | 5 usb inkjets, 2 usb laser printers, usb mouse, 6-in-one usb flash card reader, usb cdrw drive, usb ethernet adapter, usb sound output gizmo, 3 usb wacom tablets, usb electronic microscope, usb scanner, usb plug for my digital camera, ummm... and 5 usb hubs to plug it all into. :) |
| 15:14.50 | nvz | just got a /msg someone finally woke up.. |
| 15:15.17 | furrywolf | shingouz: sadly not. I can't turn both laser printers on at once. |
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| 15:15.57 | nvz | seems like my N key is either going bad or I am just missing it a lot suddenly |
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| 15:16.35 | shingouz | furrywolf: unplug 5% of your USB stuff, maybe you have enough power then |
| 15:17.39 | furrywolf | shingouz: the problem is everything (including the ceiling lights) shares a single 15 amp breaker... I have to keep my color laser printer plugged in in the living room, to keep it from loading this breaker. :) |
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| 15:18.05 | kadigibox | wuff |
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| 15:18.31 | furrywolf | if you're a fur, join #furry :) |
| 15:18.47 | shingouz | furrywolf: /me back to serious mode. having too small breakers is not fun. i have similar problems here |
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| 15:19.53 | furrywolf | shingouz: my project for some time this week is to move the dishwasher and clothes washer onto their own breaker... right now all the appliances in the kitchen, the washing machine, the dishwasher, and the entire living room, are all on the same breaker. |
| 15:20.15 | furrywolf | so, for example, if you turn on the toaster while washing dishes... |
| 15:20.35 | ColonelKernel | furrywolf, thats what 50 amp 240 breakers are for |
| 15:20.52 | ColonelKernel | some 8g wire |
| 15:21.09 | ColonelKernel | put maybe 20 plugs into a bunch of boxes |
| 15:21.15 | furrywolf | ColonelKernel: I have a roll of 12awg romex and another 20A breaker sitting next to the breaker box. this ought to be sufficient. :P |
| 15:21.18 | shingouz | hehe |
| 15:21.32 | Eulex | furrywolf, that's an impressive amount of usb devices |
| 15:21.56 | furrywolf | and that wouldn't be acceptable by any electrical code I know... I believe standard outlets have to be fused at 20 amps or less. |
| 15:22.00 | ColonelKernel | furrywolf, 12 is sufficient for most 110v applications right? as long as one stays below say 1500w,12A? |
| 15:22.12 | furrywolf | 12awg is good through 20 amps |
| 15:22.15 | ColonelKernel | 12 gauge wire that is |
| 15:22.17 | ColonelKernel | nice |
| 15:22.26 | furrywolf | according to the NEC. 14awg is good for 15 amps. |
| 15:22.38 | ColonelKernel | my father is an electrician but its hard to understand him when im stoned and his accent is so thick |
| 15:22.45 | furrywolf | lol |
| 15:22.46 | Eulex | haha |
| 15:22.57 | ColonelKernel | sarge was REALLY nice |
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| 15:23.14 | furrywolf | kadigibox: not a fur? you're not in #furry yet. :) |
| 15:23.26 | josep_ | valdyn: about the dvd-burner thing, all info I get from nautilus-cd-burner is an error message from libhal: |
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| 15:23.38 | furrywolf | Eulex: as I said, I like USB. :) |
| 15:23.45 | josep_ | valdyn: libhal.c 990 : Error sending msg: No property storage.cdrom.read_speed on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_3_64 (same for block_22_0) |
| 15:24.24 | ColonelKernel | 50a 240 converted to 4 110 plugs , with 2 intermatic inline ss7 timers |
| 15:24.37 | ColonelKernel | im very proud of myself |
| 15:24.55 | furrywolf | eh? and other than be a deathtrap, this does...? :P |
| 15:25.03 | ColonelKernel | now I can leave my house when theres 4 feet of snow and my pipes and the such wont freeze |
| 15:25.12 | furrywolf | lol |
| 15:25.15 | furrywolf | no snow around here |
| 15:25.15 | paulswm | ColonelKernel: I'm running etch on 3 towers and two laptops of widely varying hardware, and I have encountered no issues, so I would say "go for it". |
| 15:25.36 | ColonelKernel | paulswm, if its anything like sarge, its going to be NICE |
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| 15:25.51 | ColonelKernel | sarge was fast, smooth, and impressive |
| 15:25.54 | furrywolf | you do know sarge WAS testing until just recently, right? :) |
| 15:25.57 | ColonelKernel | yes |
| 15:26.12 | ColonelKernel | ive noticed gnome 2.10 is kinda laggy |
| 15:26.29 | nicknicknick | Gnome is faggy |
| 15:26.29 | ColonelKernel | things like the first time you open the menu theres a second lag |
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| 15:26.37 | Wyzard | ColonelKernel: If you have GNOME 2.10, you're already running etch... |
| 15:26.39 | furrywolf | ugh. take a perfectly good OS, and install gnome on it... |
| 15:26.39 | paulswm | ColonelKernel: Of course, it's fairly close to sarge at the moment, but, like I say, I've encountered no issues, but, then again, I always run testing and have encoutered very few issues over the years. |
| 15:26.46 | guruman | is there some way to make ls list all entries starting with a digit, i mean like 'ls [0-9]*' or similar instead of doing 'ls 1* && ls 2* ...' |
| 15:26.53 | Wyzard | ColonelKernel: I don't have any latency problem with the menus though |
| 15:26.53 | ColonelKernel | Wyzard, im not running etch now im on fc4 |
| 15:26.58 | Wyzard | ah |
| 15:27.01 | paulswm | Actually, I like Gnome. |
| 15:27.02 | ColonelKernel | Wyzard, its only the first time |
| 15:27.08 | ColonelKernel | after that its fine |
| 15:27.15 | ColonelKernel | it does it in both fedora and gentoo |
| 15:27.31 | furrywolf | guruman: ls [0-9]* :P |
| 15:27.50 | paulswm | Man, pissing down with rain here. In June, we had nearly EIGHTEEN inches of rain, I think it was a record. |
| 15:27.55 | guruman | furrywolf it says "[0-9]" is not a directory or file ... |
| 15:28.07 | furrywolf | guruman: what shell? |
| 15:28.19 | furrywolf | and no quotes, if you're using quotes |
| 15:28.21 | guruman | furrywolf bash |
| 15:28.25 | Raf256 | wazup |
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| 15:28.33 | Raf256 | how can I change repeat rate and delay? |
| 15:28.35 | Raf256 | in X |
| 15:28.45 | Raf256 | (and best - to have it turn on for that user each time) |
| 15:28.45 | asg | Raf256: man xset |
| 15:28.58 | asg | Raf256: put relevant xset in each person's ~/.xsession |
| 15:29.04 | Raf256 | asg: ok \o/ |
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| 15:29.49 | andrew | my sound server thing just crashed..... i restarted and it still isnt back |
| 15:29.52 | andrew | what do i do? |
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| 15:31.56 | andrew | can anyone help? |
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| 15:32.44 | Eulex | !tell andrew about smart questions |
| 15:33.06 | gnraf | !forget it |
| 15:33.06 | dpkg | gnraf: i forgot it |
| 15:33.20 | Eulex | !tell andrew about ask |
| 15:33.21 | andrew | lol sorry |
| 15:33.51 | Eulex | I think !smart questions is not that good -- almost nobody ever reads the info |
| 15:33.57 | Eulex | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.57 | dpkg | ...but ask is already something else... |
| 15:34.03 | asg | gnraf: and you are, of course, going to put the 'it' factoid back |
| 15:34.07 | Raf256 | asg: oohh ddddaaaammnn |
| 15:34.09 | Eulex | dpkg: shuddup |
| 15:34.10 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 15:34.13 | Raf256 | ssssttuuppiiddd rrreeepppaaaattt rrrraaattee |
| 15:34.14 | andrew | i'm new to linux ;) i can do anything in windows but linux is a totally different beast |
| 15:34.26 | nicknicknick | anything? |
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| 15:34.33 | andrew | a lot of stuff |
| 15:34.34 | nicknicknick | how about reprogramming windows? |
| 15:34.56 | andrew | me and my mate did that once, it was kinda hard but we ended up with something very simple |
| 15:35.33 | Eulex | "reprogramming"? |
| 15:35.40 | furrywolf | andrew: you can do anything in windows, eh? how about make it not crash, not phone home, not restrict your freedoms, run at a decent speed, not have weekly security problems, and in general be usable? :P |
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| 15:37.01 | guruman | furrywolf ls [a-z]* seems to work but not 0-9 ... strange |
| 15:37.26 | furrywolf | guruman: works here... |
| 15:37.50 | andrew | furrywolf: lol, why do you think i decided to change to linux ;) |
| 15:37.59 | andrew | i dont like windows |
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| 15:38.23 | Raf256 | xset r rate 135 50 <-- the ultimate setting |
| 15:38.27 | guruman | furrywolf lol .. ofc it works its just me that doesnt have any files beginning with 0-9 in that folder .. lol |
| 15:38.30 | guruman | :) |
| 15:38.41 | terravolt | postfix runs chrooted in /var/spool/postfix and i tried placing mysql.sock in /var/spool/postfix/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock ... but postfix says it cant connect through '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' :/ i checked that socket file exists and that i can connect through it |
| 15:38.51 | terravolt | did i do something wrong there? |
| 15:39.04 | furrywolf | guruman: LOL! |
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| 15:40.58 | random012 | I want to run a type of virtual debian inside my debian that can access a model pci card, can anyone suggest to me any options I have? |
| 15:41.18 | furrywolf | random012: UML, xen, umm... |
| 15:41.28 | random012 | It seems a chroot jail might be the only way to go, uml doesn't have real support for connecting right to hardware is my impression |
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| 15:42.30 | sess | KDM is still locking up when I log out of a session. My screen gets garbled and the keyboard and mouse wont respond |
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| 15:44.14 | intension | is there a gui wrapper for cvs ? |
| 15:44.44 | Pappa | I have a router, this box and a laptop. I want the laptop online, it has to connect through this box (i'm not buying a switch) and then to the router. No problem really, but all i can do is set up nat and forwarding on this box.. is there any way i can make the laptop just sort of "pass through" this box and on to the router? (So the router manages the laptop's ip address, UPnP and other stuff..) ? |
| 15:45.08 | netfrog | intension: apt-cache search 'cvs.*gui' -> "gcvs - Graphical frontend for CVS"... |
| 15:45.55 | netfrog | intension: i know there are others but i don't remember 'em right now. kde has something i think |
| 15:46.18 | asg | netfrog: apt-cache search kde cvs |
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| 15:47.00 | netfrog | intension: what asg says ;) |
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| 15:47.25 | xoz | intension: konqueror has |
| 15:47.42 | Pappa | apt-cache show cervisia |
| 15:47.45 | netfrog | asg: i didn't notice the "regex [regex]" in manual for apt-cache, always used '.*' ... |
| 15:47.46 | Pappa | .. |
| 15:48.08 | Pappa | cervisia is nice. |
| 15:48.12 | sess | how can I get the menu editor to save my changes as a regular user? |
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| 15:48.39 | sess | oops, I meant how can I get the session manager to stop locking up when using DRI? |
| 15:48.46 | sess | has anyone else run into this? |
| 15:48.54 | nvz | abrotman: well I just ran into an old buddy of mine.. he's in town for the summer. He's going to school for physics or something out your way.. got an apartment out near philly somewheres |
| 15:48.59 | sess | I doesn't matter if I use xdm, kdm, or gdm, they all lock up when I log out |
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| 15:49.18 | asg | sess: do you use a framebuffer console |
| 15:49.46 | sess | no |
| 15:49.54 | sess | I boot linux using normal vga |
| 15:50.01 | nahoo | where is the repository with the source of apt? |
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| 15:50.09 | sess | it only started happening after I enabled dri |
| 15:50.12 | asg | sess: and it doesn't lock up if you don't use DRI |
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| 15:50.20 | sess | yea, it works fine when dri is disabled |
| 15:50.24 | nahoo | the cvs, i mean |
| 15:50.29 | asg | sess: hmmm, what video card? |
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| 15:50.36 | sess | Ati Rage mobility m3 |
| 15:50.44 | sess | using R128 driver |
| 15:50.57 | asg | sess: is that the binary ATI driver? |
| 15:51.03 | abrotman | nvz: VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 15:51.20 | abrotman | nvz: i assume temple or drexel .. |
| 15:51.25 | sess | at in fglrx? no, its the native XFree86 r128 driver, didn't even need gatos |
| 15:51.34 | sess | unless it was merged in with xfree |
| 15:51.34 | nvz | abrotman: oh well, he was walking his mothers dog.. I only talked to him for a few minutes for the first time in years.. heh |
| 15:51.53 | asg | sess: you might try using the regular 'ati' driver. |
| 15:52.05 | nvz | abrotman: I was telling him about debian, since he asked what I've been doing.. and I spend a lot of time here. |
| 15:52.07 | abrotman | nvz: find out more .. and give him a !phillysmite |
| 15:52.12 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 15:52.34 | xoz | sess: what about using startx instead of dm? |
| 15:52.35 | sess | asg: I can't get dri without using R128 driver. and actually, I am using the ATI driver (thats whats in my Xconfig. But the ATI driver probes my card and then calls the r128 driver) |
| 15:53.08 | sess | xoz: I could probably do that, I was just starting to like the graphical session manager |
| 15:53.24 | sess | if this can't be solved any other way Ill disable dm |
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| 15:53.28 | Eulex | sess: I don't think fglrx supports dri in such old cards |
| 15:53.45 | sess | eulex: it doesn't Im using the R128 driver with XFree |
| 15:53.58 | xoz | sess: i had same prob before due to the graphics driver. have to live with startx for a while. |
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| 15:54.18 | sess | xoz: where you ever able ot fix it? or you're telling me you ended up upgrading |
| 15:54.40 | nvz | abrotman: maybe I can get him to help me get LeetLUG off the ground before he leaves, give him some debian cds to take back home, and tell him to bug you when he needs something. |
| 15:55.05 | sess | I mean, this is a laptop, so Im not likely to be able to upgrade my gfx card. Ill just disable dm. |
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| 15:56.21 | nvz | he always wanted me to help him build a robot, if'n I get him interested in linux we may just start working on one.. heh.. there are people out there who have written some nice code for various sensors and things used in robot design |
| 15:56.53 | xoz | sess: i still have same problem... so im sticking with startx and avoid restarting X. i think it's something about the graphics driver... |
| 15:57.18 | xoz | sess: mine is a notebook also. |
| 15:57.32 | sess | xoz: I just deleted the S99kdm link rc5.d I think thats all I have to do |
| 15:57.41 | sess | how can I manually change runlevels? |
| 15:57.50 | abrotman | nvz: good plan |
| 15:57.51 | sess | and also how can I find out what runlevel Im currently using |
| 15:57.58 | sess | err at |
| 15:57.58 | shingouz | seemawn: |
| 15:58.06 | shingouz | sees: runlevel |
| 15:58.19 | sess | thats pretty intuitive |
| 15:58.21 | sess | :-D |
| 15:58.23 | shingouz | quite |
| 15:58.26 | xoz | sess: rename it or just remove the link... or update-rc.d |
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| 15:58.36 | asg | sess: you'll be in runlevel 2 unless you changed things |
| 15:59.24 | ColonelKernel | how do I choose a different source for apt? im stuck in console mode for the moment, so I'd like to get to the ncurses-style menu I had during the install if possible |
| 15:59.33 | asg | ColonelKernel: apt-setup |
| 15:59.37 | ColonelKernel | thank |
| 15:59.38 | ColonelKernel | thank you |
| 15:59.43 | asg | you're welcome |
| 16:00.29 | sess | asg: I changed my default runlevel to 5 and added my custom services to it for work. so I kind of switch between them when Im at home or at work, didn't know how to change on the fly though. |
| 16:00.42 | asg | sess: ah, okay |
| 16:00.55 | sess | brb, killing kdm |
| 16:00.59 | asg | sess: telinit will allow you to change runlevels |
| 16:01.42 | ColonelKernel | where can I get the kernel source for the debian 2.6.11 kernel? I can get headers and image , but no source |
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| 16:02.03 | asg | ColonelKernel: apt-get source kernel-image-foo |
| 16:02.03 | xoz | ColonelKernel: apt-get source |
| 16:02.15 | xoz | !bless ColonelKernel |
| 16:02.16 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child ColonelKernel, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 16:02.22 | ColonelKernel | xoz it says its refferred to but not available |
| 16:02.33 | ColonelKernel | the kernel-source-2.6.11 package |
| 16:02.49 | ColonelKernel | the highest it offers is 2.6.8 |
| 16:03.02 | xoz | ColonelKernel: add in your sources.list source repo |
| 16:03.22 | ColonelKernel | which source? I figured mirrors.kernel.org would have it... |
| 16:03.30 | osity | if someone know a bit about raid could you please message me,....i have too many questions to list here |
| 16:03.58 | xoz | ColonelKernel: deb-src http://.... in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:04.42 | asg | osity: have you read the RAID howto? |
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| 16:04.58 | nvz | abrotman: yeah, now I got a programmer, a physisast, an engineer...and I am pretty good with electronics, and mathematics... my team is growing stronger already |
| 16:05.02 | ColonelKernel | xoz which repo should i put in there that'll give the kernel-source package im looking for |
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| 16:05.17 | nvz | abrotman: we are rebels without a cause right now.. |
| 16:05.24 | MoDaX | ColonelKernel: 2.6.11 is in unstable |
| 16:05.35 | MoDaX | ColonelKernel: and testing (etch) |
| 16:05.38 | xoz | ColonelKernel: deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 16:05.43 | ColonelKernel | MoDaX I am in testing |
| 16:05.49 | ColonelKernel | xoz thanks |
| 16:05.59 | green_earz | osity: here is a link that may be of help setup a raid 1 > http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/ |
| 16:06.11 | xoz | ColonelKernel: s/stable/testing if you are using testing |
| 16:06.17 | MoDaX | ColonelKernel: sorry, it's not in testing. it's in unstable only |
| 16:06.17 | ColonelKernel | gotcha |
| 16:06.36 | ColonelKernel | MoDaX it will let you install the headers and image on testing but not the source |
| 16:07.39 | Wyzard | ColonelKernel: You might want to put both testing and unstable lines in your sources.list, and 'APT::Get::Default-Release "testing";' in your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 16:07.56 | MoDaX | ColonelKernel: kernel-source-2.6.11 is not available in testing. dunno why. http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 16:07.57 | garo | During the installation I was asked to make a user, why does that user belong to a group with the same name as the user and not to the group users ? |
| 16:07.59 | nvz | abrotman: it wont be long before I start leading my army into the new frontier. LeetLUG is only a front. Will be promoting debian and GNU/Linux, while looking for new talent :P |
| 16:08.03 | Wyzard | ColonelKernel: That way you can have unstable available, but still install stuff from testing by default |
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| 16:08.07 | asg | garo: for security reasons |
| 16:08.18 | asg | garo: you can change that default in /etc/adduser.conf if you wish |
| 16:08.22 | ColonelKernel | ok but I just want the kernel package |
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| 16:08.31 | ColonelKernel | kernel-source i mean |
| 16:08.48 | MoDaX | ColonelKernel: get it manually and dpkg -i it. or add unstable to your sources.list |
| 16:08.48 | Wyzard | ColonelKernel: You can go to packages.debian.org and download it manually |
| 16:09.04 | pe-de-moleque | Eric Raymond is a liberal fanatic? He said we do not need gpl anymore |
| 16:09.13 | garo | asg: so it s better not to put the user in the users group ? |
| 16:09.14 | Wyzard | ColonelKernel: But if you want to have unstable stuff available via apt-get, set your default release to testing and add unstable to your sources.list |
| 16:09.44 | asg | garo: that's something that is up to the administrator to decide; there are reasons to do so in certain circumstances. |
| 16:10.07 | asg | pe-de-moleque: he's a libertarian |
| 16:10.11 | garo | k, thanks |
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| 16:10.20 | Wyzard | asg: What was the rationale behind the group-for-each-user thing? I know I've read it before (several years ago) but don't remember what it was or where I read it |
| 16:10.30 | Pappa | I want to connect laptop L to router R through computer C. L is connected to A's eth0, and R is connected to C's eth1. I don't want to run nat, dhcp, dns and other fancy stuff on C, since R handles that. Anyone know how to setup something like this? |
| 16:10.31 | ColonelKernel | ok downloading - thanks |
| 16:10.45 | ColonelKernel | seems odd to make the image and headers available but not the source |
| 16:11.27 | Wyzard | Pappa: Assuming you meant "L is connected to C's eth0", bridge eth0 and eth1 together on C |
| 16:11.35 | Wyzard | Pappa: Or buy a switch and plug R, C, and L into it |
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| 16:11.37 | asg | Wyzard: it's just one more level that prevents new users from giving away too many privileges by default. |
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| 16:12.20 | Wyzard | asg: But the typical permissions settings (644, etc.) don't give any more rights to users in the same group |
| 16:12.26 | abrotman | !phillysmite Wyzard |
| 16:12.28 | MoDaX | ColonelKernel: kernel-source-2.6.11 has a rc bug on it, so it won't migrate to testing until the bug is fixed |
| 16:12.29 | Pappa | Wyzard: How do i bridge them? |
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| 16:12.34 | abrotman | bah . .that was horrible |
| 16:12.42 | Wyzard | Pappa: There's a bridging howto somewhere, I believe |
| 16:12.52 | Pappa | tldp? |
| 16:13.21 | abrotman | buy a hub? |
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| 16:13.41 | Wyzard | Pappa: Basically, in /etc/network/interfaces, you remove your entries for eth0 and eth1, and add an entry for br0 which contains "bridge_ports eth0 eth1" as an option within it |
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| 16:14.18 | Wyzard | Pappa: You get a network interface called br0 which is effectively the "union" of eth0 and eth1, and traffic can flow freely between the components of a bridge |
| 16:14.25 | Wyzard | Pappa: It'd be easier to just get a hub or switch, though |
| 16:14.29 | abrotman | !phillysmite Wyzard |
| 16:14.30 | asg | Wyzard: the rational if I remember correctly was so a user could have a umask of 002 (to better facilitate group setuid dir based interaction) while still having their home directory secure. |
| 16:14.33 | abrotman | yay |
| 16:15.23 | Wyzard | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 16:15.30 | Wyzard | :-P |
| 16:16.01 | Pappa | Wyzard: will this do what i want? |
| 16:16.02 | Pappa | auto br0 |
| 16:16.02 | Pappa | iface br0 inet dhcp |
| 16:16.03 | Pappa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.49 | Wyzard | asg: Now that we have POSIX ACLs, though, I think "group-setuid-dir-based interaction" is obsolete |
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| 16:17.17 | asg | Wyzard: true, not all filesystems support acls though and many tools, such as tar, don't either. |
| 16:17.17 | Wyzard | Pappa: Should work, but I'm not 100% certain |
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| 16:17.26 | ColonelKernel | how do I get the kernel the debian way thing out of dpkg |
| 16:17.27 | Wyzard | Pappa: apt-get install bridge-utils, and read its README.Debian.gz |
| 16:17.36 | Wyzard | Pappa: (You need bridge-utils for that to work anyway) |
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| 16:17.45 | asg | Wyzard: we still use group based directory permissions on our developer CVS trees to control access. |
| 16:17.50 | shingouz | ColonelKernel: /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:17.53 | ColonelKernel | thanks |
| 16:17.56 | abrotman | !phillysmite Wyzard |
| 16:18.00 | Wyzard | asg: IMO, CVS is obsolete too :-P |
| 16:18.08 | Wyzard | abrotman: copycat! |
| 16:18.13 | abrotman | !phillysmite Wyzard |
| 16:18.17 | abrotman | cvs 4ever! |
| 16:18.24 | abrotman | Wyzard: he has others .. i swear |
| 16:18.25 | Wyzard | darcs 4ever! |
| 16:18.25 | Pappa | Wyzard: i got it.. thanks for helping out |
| 16:18.30 | asg | Wyzard: for some people. |
| 16:18.33 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh .. yeah .. darcs is good :) |
| 16:18.36 | abrotman | !phillysmite Wyzard |
| 16:18.38 | Eulex | hmm, I wrote the memtest86 floppy image to a floppy with the command dd if=filename of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync ; sync, but now my system just locks up when trying to boot it |
| 16:18.39 | abrotman | yay! |
| 16:18.41 | Wyzard | lol |
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| 16:19.04 | Wyzard | Eulex: You don't need the "bs=1024 conv=sync", though they shouldn't cause any harm |
| 16:19.14 | abrotman | i wonder if smiting with a schuylkill express way traffic jam would be too much for one person to handle ? |
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| 16:19.48 | furrywolf | are they any worse than a bay area rush hour trafic jam? |
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| 16:20.00 | Eulex | Wyzard, ok... I'll try to write the image without them, and watch the stdout output carefully... |
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| 16:20.10 | abrotman | furrywolf: gaper delays can cause you to take 2 hours to go 5 miles |
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| 16:20.25 | abyss | lo i have done the task make-kpkg but i cant find any deb |
| 16:20.32 | abrotman | abyss: cd .. |
| 16:20.36 | asg | abrotman: ls -l .. |
| 16:20.36 | abrotman | ls *.deb |
| 16:20.37 | Wyzard | Eulex: You can also put the memtest86.bin in your /boot and configure your GRUB or LILO to load it |
| 16:20.44 | abrotman | asg: ? |
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| 16:20.49 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:20.55 | asg | abrotman: it's the damn keyboard again |
| 16:21.06 | Eulex | Wyzard, it's to be run on a computer that only has winblows so far... |
| 16:21.09 | abrotman | asg: or the NC sun is frying your brain |
| 16:21.12 | abyss | ls: *.deb: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 16:21.14 | Wyzard | Eulex: ah, ok |
| 16:21.22 | abyss | in /usr/src/ |
| 16:21.23 | asg | abrotman: well, the humidity is thick, that's for sure. |
| 16:21.29 | furrywolf | I'll never understand people who stomp on the gas, almost rear-end the car in front of them, slam on the breaks, etc, etc, etc, every 5 seconds, for the entire time they're in trafic... I just leave a few car lengths in front of my, turn up the stereo, and roll along smoothly in first gear,,, |
| 16:21.31 | abrotman | abydos: where was the source when you built it ? |
| 16:21.46 | Dorward | I read somewhere recently about an alternative to VNC that was supposed to be more bandwidth efficient, but I can't remember what it was called. Does anyone know the software I'm thinking about? |
| 16:21.48 | abrotman | err abyss |
| 16:22.08 | asg | furrywolf: better yet, why drive on a freeway at all. |
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| 16:22.24 | abyss | in kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 16:22.24 | asg | Dorward: freenx |
| 16:22.34 | Dorward | asg: Sounds like it. Thanks! |
| 16:22.37 | furrywolf | asg: sadly, when part of that freeway is the only bridge over a large body of water, you don't have much of a choice. :P |
| 16:22.45 | asg | Dorward: the commercial version is nomachine fx |
| 16:22.47 | Wyzard | abyss: make-kpkg puts the .deb in the parent directory, not the current directory |
| 16:22.48 | abrotman | furrywolf: buy a duck! |
| 16:22.56 | asg | furrywolf: ah, ugly. |
| 16:23.02 | Wyzard | abyss: If you built your kernel in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8, look for your .deb in /usr/src |
| 16:23.02 | asg | s/fx/nx/ |
| 16:23.10 | abyss | no there |
| 16:23.15 | furrywolf | in santa cruz, I never went on the freeway... driving on residential streets at 35mph was infinitely faster than driving on the freeway at 3.5mph. :) |
| 16:23.19 | Wyzard | abyss: What make-kpkg command did you run? |
| 16:23.25 | Eulex | Wyzard, do I need to execute sync? |
| 16:23.31 | abyss | make-kpkg |
| 16:23.41 | Wyzard | Eulex: Not really |
| 16:23.59 | Wyzard | abyss: Usually you run it with a target, like "make-kpkg kernel-image" |
| 16:24.06 | Wyzard | abyss: I'm not sure what it does if you just run "make-kpkg" |
| 16:24.08 | abyss | uhm nvm |
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| 16:24.14 | Supaplex | how exactly do I get a listing of channels on freenode? /list ** returns an empty result. |
| 16:24.17 | abyss | it precompile it^^ |
| 16:24.19 | abyss | i see |
| 16:24.20 | abrotman | probably not make binaries |
| 16:24.23 | abrotman | Supaplex: just /list |
| 16:24.34 | abyss | sry my mistake |
| 16:24.51 | gdv | is there a standard way to configure what "sensible-browser" is in XFCE? |
| 16:24.57 | abrotman | Supaplex: sometimes server load too high .. try again in 20 seconds or so |
| 16:25.06 | abrotman | gdv: update-alternatives |
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| 16:25.33 | Supaplex | yay for irc logs. /me whips out less(1) |
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| 16:25.55 | Eulex | Wyzard, it still hangs when booting :( |
| 16:26.11 | nvz | does anyone know by chance of a way via network or taking the hd out, I can transfer files to/from my xbox? I need to backup.. damn GTA-SA saves are only 15blocks, but it only allows me to save 8 times reguardless of freespace. I need to backup my saves and clear out my save slots. I cant for the life of me find any memory cards |
| 16:26.21 | Pappa | Wyzard: i get a strange problem, it says "add bridge failed: Package not installed" (both with ifup and brctl) |
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| 16:26.34 | abrotman | nvz: you lazy bum .. play the game again |
| 16:26.48 | nvz | if my damn xbox was modded I could just run an ftp server on it |
| 16:27.02 | petemc | and lots more |
| 16:27.09 | nvz | abrotman: its my brother;s gta game, and he wants the saves.. I want to start over, and dont have any saves left to do so |
| 16:27.10 | abyss | if the kernel image is ready and installed, do i have to compile the wlan driver after reboot for this k-image? |
| 16:27.14 | Wyzard | nvz: If your box isn't modded you probably can't run custom software on it to transfer the files over the network, but taking the hard drive out should work |
| 16:27.23 | Eulex | nvz: it's one of those that can't be modded? |
| 16:27.25 | abrotman | nvz: how many saves did he use ? |
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| 16:27.28 | abrotman | nvz: you only need one |
| 16:27.34 | nvz | Wyzard: yeah but I tried this once before and couldnt seem to mount it |
| 16:27.41 | abrotman | root is crack for computer addicts |
| 16:27.47 | petemc | Eulex: all xbox versions 1.0 - 16b can be modded |
| 16:27.49 | Wyzard | abyss: You can compile the wlan driver before you boot the new kernel, so it's ready to use when you reboot |
| 16:27.54 | petemc | 1.6b |
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| 16:28.14 | nvz | abrotman: most of the saves are mine.. he just wants them cause he's too lazy to get as far as me, and wants to play all the last few return-to-los-santos missions |
| 16:28.14 | Wyzard | nvz: I'd be surprised if they weren't NTFS, but I've never actually even touched an xbox myself... check online |
| 16:28.17 | Eulex | petemc, i've heard that there's one kind that can't... |
| 16:28.32 | nvz | Eulex: I am sure it can be modded, I just dont have it modded |
| 16:28.40 | petemc | Eulex: nope, the 1.6 and 1.6b need an lpc rebuild, but its not that bad |
| 16:28.45 | abyss | if i do so then the wlan driver is installed (make && make install) into current kernel-image |
| 16:28.50 | nvz | we have a memory card, but I havent a clue where its at |
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| 16:29.00 | Eulex | petemc, oh ok |
| 16:29.00 | Wyzard | abyss: What wlan driver? |
| 16:29.11 | abyss | zydast |
| 16:29.13 | abyss | zd1211 |
| 16:29.46 | nvz | I dont know wtf the dashboard software wont just let me copy/rename/zip the shit out of the way somehow when the saves are 15blocks and I got 500000 or more blocks free |
| 16:30.09 | nvz | that would have been a good fucking idea.. but noooo.. they got to sell memory cards somehow |
| 16:30.12 | Wyzard | abyss: I've never even heard of that one before |
| 16:30.24 | abyss | can i rename the deb package |
| 16:30.34 | Wyzard | abyss: Anyway, if you compile it against your new kernel's source tree, the result will be a module that works with the new kernel |
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| 16:30.46 | Wyzard | abyss: If the makefile stupidly tries to load the result in the current kernel and fails, that doesn't matter |
| 16:31.04 | cinix | how can I get a debian kernel source tree configured like the stock debian kernel |
| 16:31.09 | abyss | Wyzard: its a wlan usb stick solution |
| 16:31.10 | cinix | so I can just tweak what I need to |
| 16:31.23 | abyss | so brb |
| 16:31.28 | nvz | I am fairly certain I tried mounting an XBOX hd before and could not figure out how.. its not plain ntfs. and its not just one partition |
| 16:31.44 | petemc | nvz: its fatx |
| 16:31.53 | nvz | I dont really have the t6 or whatever I need to open it right now anyhow |
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| 16:31.59 | nvz | t15 maybe |
| 16:32.05 | moomoo_ | hmmm i have a sound card problem i have a ISA plugged sound card and it doesnt seem to be detected how could i make it work |
| 16:32.05 | petemc | nvz: there are patches, but i dont think they've been updated for later kernels |
| 16:32.16 | Wyzard | cinix: I think the default configuration of a kernel-source package might be the config used by the stock kernels, but I'm not sure |
| 16:32.20 | Wyzard | xboxes use FAT? |
| 16:32.20 | Wyzard | ugh |
| 16:32.25 | petemc | fatx |
| 16:32.33 | petemc | fat is an ok fs.. |
| 16:32.41 | Wyzard | No it isn't |
| 16:32.44 | petemc | yes, it is |
| 16:32.46 | Pappa | It's not even a file system |
| 16:32.48 | Wyzard | It's only redeeming quality is that everything supports it |
| 16:33.00 | Pappa | It's just a stupid allocation table |
| 16:33.21 | cinix | Works good on my memory cards |
| 16:33.44 | Wyzard | Pappa: Well, the "FAT" filesystem consists of the actual FAT table, plus a structure for directory entries which point into the FAT table, plus a superblock of sorts |
| 16:33.46 | nvz | oh well, fuggit.. If I have to I am deleting saves. my brother will have to play the damn game if he wants to get as far as I have |
| 16:34.26 | Pappa | Anyone recall how to set the polling interval for an usb device in the newer kernels (i.e my mouse) ? |
| 16:34.31 | nvz | its still ridiculous.. I would like to ideally keep a save after every mission and the game only has 8 slots |
| 16:34.49 | cinix | on xbox? does it have like a 40 gb hard drive? |
| 16:34.51 | Pappa | It's a module option |
| 16:35.04 | nvz | I dont know who's more to blame, Rockstar, or Microsoft. there should be a way to rename/zip or copy them elsewhere |
| 16:35.07 | petemc | xboxes have an 8 or 10 gig drive |
| 16:35.13 | Wyzard | Pappa: "modinfo <modulename>" to see the supported options |
| 16:35.15 | moomoo_ | hmmm i have a sound card problem i have a ISA plugged sound card and it doesnt seem to be detected how could i make it work?? |
| 16:35.18 | nvz | cinix: you can fit more saves in memory, but the game only has 8 slots |
| 16:35.25 | petemc | nvz: as you know, you can buy usb memory cards |
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| 16:35.38 | Wyzard | moomoo_: No such thing as autodetection for ISA. It predates that concept. |
| 16:35.44 | nvz | petemc: I have a memory card, I dont know where the fuck its at :P |
| 16:36.10 | Pappa | nvm i got it.. usbhid.mousepoll=N |
| 16:36.24 | Wyzard | moomoo_: Take the card out and look at its jumpers to see what settings you need to feed to the driver module, or (preferably) get a soundcard that's not ancient |
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| 16:37.50 | moomoo_ | wyzard : hmmm is it possible that because it is isa /dev/audio isnt the right device its /dev/something else |
| 16:37.57 | nvz | petemc: acutally my brother has one and doesnt know where it is.. therefore there is no reason to save games for him, because he lost the damn memory card.. problem solved :P |
| 16:38.09 | petemc | simple :) |
| 16:38.10 | Wyzard | moomoo_: no |
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| 16:39.24 | Wyzard | moomoo_: ALSA drivers use /dev/audio; OSS drivers use /dev/dsp. That has nothing to do with what bus your soundcard uses, though. |
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| 16:39.32 | zxc | I've seen a post http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2004/04/msg00351.html about acceptance of wxwidgets 2.5 (feb-2004) but I just cant find any src or binary deb packages around |
| 16:39.33 | offray | Hi all |
| 16:39.35 | ohmygod | hello! I'm using a debian,but the sound card don't work. who can help me? |
| 16:39.57 | zxc | was libwxgtk2.5 removed from debian unstable for any reason? |
| 16:40.19 | Wyzard | moomoo_: If your sound driver module doesn't find your card, it's because you didn't specify the right settings (IO, IRQ, DMA) for the card... they have to match the settings configured by jumpers on the card |
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| 16:40.41 | offray | Hi all. I would like to install python 2.3.4 via apt, but I get the version 2.3.5 or later, there is a way I can do this? |
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| 16:41.12 | moomoo_ | wyzard : ah ok and after i looked at the card how do i reconfigure these settings? |
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| 16:41.22 | Wyzard | offray: snapshot.debian.net might have it |
| 16:41.33 | ohmygod | off |
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| 16:41.44 | Wyzard | moomoo_: What kernel are you using? |
| 16:41.48 | offray | Wyzard: thanks :) |
| 16:42.08 | moomoo_ | wyzard : 2.4.26-1-386 |
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| 16:43.17 | Eulex | moomoo_, modprobe module options |
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| 16:43.29 | hansvi | Hi, does anyone else get the message "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" when trying to install a new package? (e.g. ftpd or libmyodbc) |
| 16:43.42 | ohmygod | Wyzard: how to edit the sound card's setting |
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| 16:44.01 | Wyzard | moomoo_: Ask someone for help with specifying module options in modprobe's configuration for 2.4 kernels... I haven't used 2.4 in well over a year and I don't remember well enough to describe it |
| 16:44.22 | Wyzard | !tell ohmygod about doesn't work |
| 16:44.23 | gdv | abrotman: sensible-browser is not handled by update-alternatives, is it? |
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| 16:44.28 | gdv | abrotman: if so, with what name? |
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| 16:44.32 | moomoo_ | wyzard : ok will do thanks |
| 16:44.43 | gdv | abrotman: www-browser seems to point to links and if I run sensible-browser, I get mozilla |
| 16:44.54 | Eulex | moomoo_, try looking about alsa-project.org for your snd card |
| 16:45.07 | Wyzard | gdv: sensible-browser uses either the "www-browser" or "x-www-browser" alternatives, depending on whether you're running X |
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| 16:45.13 | gdv | aha. |
| 16:45.15 | gdv | Wyzard: thanks |
| 16:45.22 | MrJung | returned |
| 16:45.28 | moomoo_ | eulex :modprobe: Can't locate module options |
| 16:45.29 | keir | has anyone had trouble getting a homebrew kernel to detect SATA drives? ubuntu's stock finds my kernel, but mine doesn't find it. i've diff'd the configs and don't see any reason why my kernel would not work. |
| 16:46.02 | cmihai | lib_sata missing ?! :) |
| 16:46.21 | keir | cmihai, how can i tell if it's there or not? i have CONFIG_SCSI_SATA=y |
| 16:46.34 | keir | cmihai, same as ubuntu's config |
| 16:46.41 | Wyzard | hansvi: Yes, that's a new feature in apt in unstable |
| 16:46.49 | Eulex | moomoo_, module is the module you wanna load, options are the module options |
| 16:46.57 | Eulex | anyway, dinner... |
| 16:47.11 | Wyzard | gdv: If the BROWSER environment variable is defined, it uses that instead... you can use that for per-user customization rather than system-wide as done by update-alternatives |
| 16:47.25 | Wyzard | gdv: /usr/bin/sensible-browser is a small shell script btw... you can read it for details |
| 16:47.30 | gdv | Wyzard: yeah. I wanted to change global. I got it now, thanks |
| 16:47.40 | hansvi | Wyzard: Thanks, I already had a suspicion that it started with the new version of apt. |
| 16:48.07 | keir | sorry for this paste: WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.12.2/kernel/drivers/scsi/sata_nv.ko needs unknown symbol ata_check_status |
| 16:48.20 | keir | i get this after i do make modules_install |
| 16:48.27 | cmihai | keir: /msg dpkg sata |
| 16:48.33 | hansvi | brb |
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| 16:49.13 | keir | cmihai, i'm compiling 2.6.12.2, that should have libata, no? |
| 16:49.25 | cmihai | yep. |
| 16:49.26 | keir | cmihai, but compiling under sarge's stock 2.4.27 |
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| 16:50.01 | offray | I have found on the snapshots the version that I'm needing. How can I install the snapshot? |
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| 16:50.29 | wenzib | Hello everybody ! I'm french and I search french debian chan ! |
| 16:50.37 | Raf256 | ok I have a /usr at hda6 now I want to do a raid mirror of it. How? |
| 16:50.38 | keir | cmihai, so is the error ignorable? |
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| 16:50.59 | offray | there are three kinds of archives, dsc, orig.tar.gz and diff.gz. What I must choose? |
| 16:51.00 | cmihai | Erm, not likely... |
| 16:51.07 | cmihai | !fr |
| 16:51.07 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:51.14 | Roey | Hello. I am using "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian-pure64 sid main contrib non-free" as my source line. For some reason, when I try to apt-get install gimp, I get: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: gimp: Depends: gimp-data (= 2.2.7-1) but 2.2.8-1 is to be installed E: Broken packages" |
| 16:51.20 | Roey | How can I fix this? |
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| 16:51.34 | wenzib | thank you cmihai |
| 16:51.38 | wenzib | ;) |
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| 16:53.48 | cmihai | keir: erm, you could just stick to 2.6.8 or 2.6.11 you know... |
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| 16:56.28 | terravolt | how do i make the system reload /etc/hosts because it doesnt seem to do it automatically |
| 16:56.48 | karsten | Roey: run 'apt-get update', ensure you've got proper package lists for your release level. |
| 16:57.12 | karsten | Roey: Are your other sources specified as sid / unstable? |
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| 16:57.46 | karsten | Roey: ...also, looks as if the pure-64 release is trailing sid. You can specify specific versions to install under aptitude (interactive). |
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| 17:01.35 | Pappa | i just installed kernel-source-2.6.11 , where is it at? :/ |
| 17:02.01 | Stereo | Pappa: /usr/share/doc/kernel-source-* :p |
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| 17:02.12 | Stereo | or /usr/src/linux* :) |
| 17:02.14 | shingouz | Pappa: usually dpkg -L foo tells you what happened |
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| 17:04.50 | gdv | any updates on sid breakage, where's info about it? (topic) |
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| 17:05.33 | karsten | gdv: the "LITERALLY UNSTABLE" bit? |
| 17:05.39 | gdv | karsten: that |
| 17:05.51 | karsten | gdv: I think it's just that major stuff is getting updated. Complex, dependent software will break. |
| 17:06.02 | gdv | W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B629A24C38C6029A |
| 17:06.04 | _Aceman_ | hi all, how can i remove a kernel*.deb? |
| 17:06.06 | gdv | that too |
| 17:06.09 | karsten | gdv: There's a few blog posts about this to Debian Planet immediately after sarge released. |
| 17:06.26 | gdv | karsten: does this mean x.org is coming now? |
| 17:06.39 | gdv | that would sure break a lot |
| 17:06.40 | karsten | gdv: gpg --recv-keys |
| 17:06.59 | karsten | gdv: It's really close to done. There's unofficial debs on David Nusinow's site. |
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| 17:08.18 | gdv | karsten: it still complains the same after gpg --recv-keys B629A24C38C6029A |
| 17:08.43 | gdv | pub 1024D/38C6029A 2002-12-20 [expired: 2004-01-24)] |
| 17:08.47 | gdv | perhaps because of that |
| 17:08.58 | karsten | gdv: What package is that on? |
| 17:08.59 | karsten | Yeah, that would do it. |
| 17:09.05 | gdv | karsten: apt-get update |
| 17:09.06 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:09.14 | karsten | gdv: ...you *do* have to specify the key, BTW. |
| 17:09.25 | gdv | karsten: [2008.17] < gdv> karsten: it still complains the same after gpg --recv-keys B629A24C38C6029A |
| 17:09.43 | karsten | gdv: Dig. It's an expired key. |
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| 17:10.02 | gdv | karsten: so why is it used? |
| 17:10.11 | karsten | gdv: What release are you accessing? |
| 17:10.19 | gdv | karsten: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 17:10.31 | jktrjk | Can anyone tell me what plugin to use with firefox to play multimedia...i am interesting in using mplayer...i don't know between mozplugger, mplayerplug-in and mozplayerxp |
| 17:10.32 | karsten | gdv: Dig. Looks like an oversight. I'm asking #d-d. |
| 17:10.54 | gdv | karsten: thanks. |
| 17:11.04 | karsten | gdv: What command are you running to get that? |
| 17:11.08 | gdv | apt-get update :) |
| 17:11.13 | gdv | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 17:11.22 | gdv | it's quite ironic it says that when apt-get update causes it :) |
| 17:11.53 | karsten | gdv: On unstable, right? You might want to /join #debian-devel and talk to mrvn |
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| 17:18.18 | offray | there are three kinds of archives, dsc, orig.tar.gz and diff.gz. What I must choose? |
| 17:18.33 | streuner | offray: for what? |
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| 17:19.41 | karsten | gdv: FYI: resident Bushs much-lampooned utterance "nucular" could be either a nod to "Pentagon wise guys" or a sly "faux-bubba" gimmick to curry favor with some voters. |
| 17:19.41 | MacNamera | hi, can someone tell me the url for the knoppix light version? |
| 17:19.48 | karsten | gdv: ...from the Amazon review / blurb. |
| 17:19.54 | karsten | !knoppix |
| 17:19.54 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 17:20.18 | MacNamera | k, thanks for your help |
| 17:20.35 | karsten | offray: If I understand correctly, the tar.gz is the actual source package. |
| 17:20.48 | karsten | offray: What are you trying to get / do? |
| 17:20.51 | streuner | !dsc |
| 17:20.51 | dpkg | dsc is, like, Debian source control file - .dsc, This file is a control file used by dpkg-source to extract a source package, http://debid.vlsm.org/share/Debian-Doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-debiansourcecontrolfiles |
| 17:21.33 | _Aceman_ | does anybody here has ati radeon 7200? pvt me please |
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| 17:21.42 | streuner | dpkg, msg me |
| 17:21.42 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg streuner. |
| 17:21.51 | pixi | hello everybody |
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| 17:21.54 | streuner | _Aceman_: ask in channel |
| 17:22.19 | streuner | _Aceman_: /msg dpkg ati |
| 17:22.34 | _Aceman_ | ok |
| 17:22.39 | pixi | is anyone currently interacting with the mtg game server using linux? |
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| 17:23.36 | streuner | poelzi: the hostname sounds evil! ;-) |
| 17:23.38 | Eulex | !tell pixi about poll |
| 17:23.41 | jetx | how do you tell what region a dvd (medium) is. the disc. |
| 17:23.47 | foobus | extrememasturbation |
| 17:23.54 | poelzi | hehe |
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| 17:24.09 | Wyzard | offray: Those three files are the components of a Debian source package |
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| 17:24.34 | Wyzard | jetx: The physical disc itself isn't regioned; the data is |
| 17:24.48 | jetx | ok so how do you tell that. |
| 17:24.50 | ha | How build drbd into kernel image? I dont want use drbd as module (apt-get install drbd0.7-module-source; m-a a-i drbd0.7-module-source) |
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| 17:25.27 | gdv | eww. installing ices2 and icecast2 was suprisingly easy. REALLY EASY |
| 17:25.38 | Wyzard | jetx: dunno offhand, sorry |
| 17:25.43 | gdv | last time I had to compile it myself |
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| 17:25.56 | gdv | this time it was only half as fun ;/ |
| 17:26.07 | gdv | compilation and dependency hunting was fun |
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| 17:26.20 | poelzi | i upgraded from debian sarge 3.3 kde to some experimental 3.4.1 packages. now i have the strange problem, that app buttons in my kicker turn disabled. i don't know when exactly but it's so bothering, anyone an idea ? |
| 17:26.26 | jetx | and playing wrong regioned dvd's can make the dvd player not work, or it just won't play the incorrect region. i know you can change the region on the player, a few times, but what happens when that limit is reached? it won't change, or it won't work |
| 17:26.39 | Wyzard | ha: If it's distributed separately as a module package, there's no automated way to build it into the kernel... you could manually merge it into the tree, but that's ugly |
| 17:26.49 | streuner | poelzi: well, slap yourself using experimental |
| 17:27.02 | streuner | dpkg, experimental |
| 17:27.17 | nated | i'm writing a script to setup a few ssh tunnels for checking my mail...and I was wondering if using the "start-stop-daemon" would be an appropiate way to handle starting and killing the tunnels? or is there another way of keeping track of PIDs? |
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| 17:27.21 | jetx | i think he means alioth kde 3.4 not a specifically experimental branch |
| 17:27.21 | Wyzard | ha: What's wrong with using it as a module? |
| 17:27.23 | ha | Wyzard /usr/src/linux/# patch -p1 < source_drbd ? |
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| 17:27.24 | gdv | shouldn't I be able to do sudo su - |
| 17:27.26 | kadarkhan | hello all |
| 17:27.28 | poelzi | year. and if nobody is using them shit gets into unstable, i know. i know. just asking if someone seen this problem |
| 17:27.37 | gdv | how come it asks for root password? |
| 17:27.42 | Wyzard | ha: Not if source_drbd is a directory |
| 17:27.57 | streuner | poelzi: ask in #debian-kde |
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| 17:28.03 | kadarkhan | i have a script saying "daemon /usr/local/sbin/chilli", do i actually need to install a package containing this program or can i just edit to "/usr/local/sbin/chilli &" ? |
| 17:28.07 | gdv | ah no problem |
| 17:28.10 | gdv | fixed it, sorry :) |
| 17:28.14 | ha | Wyzard I prefer user as bultin |
| 17:28.21 | gdv | (it was a matter of root being in wheel group |
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| 17:28.34 | ha | Wyzard apt-get install drbd0.7-utils and drbd0.7-module-source |
| 17:28.45 | Wyzard | ha: Put it in /etc/modules and pretend it's built-in |
| 17:28.45 | ha | Wyzard how make this package for use bult-in? |
| 17:28.49 | steve_ | what up cuttys- remember hyper terminal in windows? what the best way to do that stuff in debian. it seems modems are a dying art! |
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| 17:29.23 | ha | Wyzard hehehe |
| 17:29.24 | Wyzard | ha: You'd have to manually copy the files into the kernel tree, and update whatever files define the configuration menu so that drbd is listed |
| 17:29.25 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
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| 17:29.46 | hehelol | :o |
| 17:29.50 | Wyzard | ha: Much more trouble than it's worth |
| 17:29.58 | Wyzard | ha: Just put the module in /etc/modules |
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| 17:30.48 | ha | Wyzard Do you known any sample for drbd bult-in on kernel? |
| 17:30.55 | ha | Wyzard its just for learning |
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| 17:31.19 | Wyzard | ha: "Sample"? If you mean a tutorial or something, no, because the module package isn't meant to be used that way. |
| 17:31.38 | metaperl | has anyone successfully gotten two different sound apps to both play under KDE/Debian testing? |
| 17:31.47 | metaperl | simultaneously |
| 17:32.00 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.08 | Wyzard | metaperl: I can, but I have a soundcard which supports that (SB Live) |
| 17:32.16 | streuner | metalperl: surely not a question of testing anyway |
| 17:32.35 | metaperl | I'm preferring ALSA... that's what I have installed... |
| 17:32.37 | streuner | !dmix |
| 17:32.37 | dpkg | i heard dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 17:32.38 | Wyzard | metaperl: I think ALSA has a feature to do software mixing for cards that don't support it in hardware, but I haven't used it |
| 17:32.40 | ha | Wyzard look this, grsecurity and lids are patchs for linux kernel |
| 17:32.41 | metaperl | I have an ac97 |
| 17:32.59 | Wyzard | metaperl: AC97 is not a sound card |
| 17:33.01 | metaperl | streuner: are you using dmix? I read about it |
| 17:33.03 | ha | Wyzard When i compile this, i choice for bult-in or module at menuconfig select |
| 17:33.17 | streuner | metaperl: no, an easy way emu10k1... |
| 17:33.25 | ha | Wyzard Why drbd team not make a patch for this too? |
| 17:33.40 | streuner | metalperl: get a emu10k1, about 10 bucks second hand |
| 17:33.42 | Wyzard | ha: Those things are made as patches because they make fundamental changes that can't be done by a module |
| 17:33.42 | ha | Wyzard sorry my english, i'm from brazil |
| 17:33.48 | kadarkhan | anyone know what package the program "daemon" is in? |
| 17:33.56 | kadarkhan | i have a script asking for it |
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| 17:34.21 | Eulex | metaperl, ac97 is the audio codec, then you need an actual sound driver like snd-intel8x0 (in the case of intel snd cards) |
| 17:34.23 | ha | Wyzard hhmmmm, understood |
| 17:34.37 | Wyzard | ha: Modules are the preferred way of adding features to the kernel. Patches are only used when a module wouldn't work |
| 17:34.44 | ha | Wyzard do you known vserver? |
| 17:34.47 | metaperl | Eulex: yes, that's what I am using |
| 17:34.54 | Wyzard | ha: I've never used any vserver stuff, sorry |
| 17:34.55 | hehelol | kadarkhan: daemon is usually a service |
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| 17:35.04 | hehelol | it will be looking for a specific daemon |
| 17:35.10 | hehelol | which ever that may be :) |
| 17:35.12 | ha | Wyzard THX |
| 17:35.20 | kadarkhan | hehelol i know, but the script says "daemon /usr/local/sbin/chilli" is the command in the script |
| 17:35.34 | kadarkhan | should i just change that to "/usr/local/sbin/chilli &" ? |
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| 17:36.15 | hehelol | you have a script/ application called chilli? |
| 17:36.33 | kadarkhan | hehelol chillispot.org, its a captive portal for wireless systems |
| 17:36.48 | hehelol | does chilli exist? |
| 17:37.02 | kadarkhan | hehelol yes, but when the script runs it says "daemon command not found" |
| 17:37.17 | moomoo_ | when compiling i get this error configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH even tough i have cpp installed |
| 17:37.21 | kadarkhan | so im not sure if its actually part of a package i haven't installed or i should append the & to it |
| 17:37.35 | moomoo_ | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 17:37.46 | hehelol | kadarkhan: I dont have a daemon binary |
| 17:37.46 | j_k | moomoo_: cpp is not a compiler |
| 17:37.47 | hehelol | although |
| 17:37.49 | Eulex | moomoo_, gcc is a c compiler, cpp is a c pre-processor |
| 17:37.50 | hehelol | I cam man daemon |
| 17:37.53 | hehelol | I can |
| 17:37.59 | Wyzard | hmm... I have a manpage for daemon(3) from the manpages-dev package, but no actual daemon program |
| 17:38.07 | hehelol | idd |
| 17:38.11 | Wyzard | moomoo_: apt-get install build-essential |
| 17:38.12 | kadarkhan | hehelol hmm i wonder what to do then |
| 17:38.13 | moomoo_ | eulex : thank you silly me |
| 17:38.13 | doomster | moomoo_, you need gcc or g++, not only cpp |
| 17:38.59 | hehelol | apt-get install daemon |
| 17:39.05 | hehelol | there is a package with it |
| 17:39.07 | hehelol | try it |
| 17:39.09 | hehelol | :o |
| 17:39.35 | cinix | I hate it when binaries just dissapear, anyone else hate that? |
| 17:39.47 | hehelol | I hate it when you install a package with apt |
| 17:39.52 | hehelol | and the binary is nothing like the package name |
| 17:40.02 | hehelol | so you dont know how to use the package you just installed :x |
| 17:40.06 | zinx | cinix: can't say i've ever had that happen |
| 17:40.11 | Wyzard | hehelol: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 17:40.25 | jethro | hehelol: that's why you usually cd /usr/share/doc/<packagename> and read |
| 17:40.36 | jethro | or use dpkg -L |
| 17:40.43 | cinix | happens on my hard drives, just poof there gone. |
| 17:41.06 | hehelol | not sure what I usually do, I just remember it causes incovenience at the time :> but ty |
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| 17:41.10 | Wyzard | cinix: Umm... that's probably either filesystem corruption or malicious code |
| 17:41.16 | Wyzard | cinix: Or you're sleepwalking or something |
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| 17:41.18 | hehelol | I think it happened when i installed doom |
| 17:41.20 | hehelol | freedoom hehe |
| 17:41.39 | Eulex | cinix, bit decay? ;) |
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| 17:42.17 | hehelol | ah freedoom doesnt have binaries |
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| 17:42.21 | moomoo_ | eulex : now i get this install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution but there is no kernel-source package for 2.4.26-386 |
| 17:42.21 | cinix | :-) |
| 17:42.25 | hehelol | might explain why i wasnt able to play it :> |
| 17:42.34 | brownjava | I'm having some serious problems with RAID under Debian...a system that was testing, now stable, that can't mount a RAID volume any more |
| 17:42.36 | cinix | it's so filesystem corruption, but it's really sneaky corruption |
| 17:42.38 | Wyzard | moomoo_: kernel-source-2.4.26 |
| 17:42.47 | Wyzard | moomoo_: The "-386" is a particular build from that source |
| 17:42.50 | cinix | no input/output errors, no wacky inodes, just alacazam gone |
| 17:43.01 | jetx | !info kernel-headers-2.4.26-1-386 |
| 17:43.39 | Wyzard | moomoo_: If you're using a precompiled kernel, you want the corresponding kernel-headers package, as jetx mentioned... only use kernel-source if you're compiling a whole new custom kernel |
| 17:43.40 | Eulex | moomoo_, if you're using testing, that one is too old and is deprecated (it's from pre-sarge). get a recent kernel, then you can also get the kernel source fo ir |
| 17:43.44 | cinix | must be a reinstall command, hwo do I mark a package to reinstall |
| 17:43.57 | Eulex | *for it |
| 17:44.00 | cinix | err n/m got it |
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| 17:44.03 | hehelol | I have never used debian to manage the kernel source |
| 17:44.07 | Wyzard | brownjava: Doesn't find the array? Or finds it but fails to assemble it? |
| 17:44.13 | hehelol | Does it hold any benefits? |
| 17:44.20 | Wyzard | cinix: apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
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| 17:44.30 | hehelol | Does it produce a generically large kernel? |
| 17:44.54 | voidmasta1 | does anybody know if there are any versions of the debian netinstall that inherently support nforce 3 networking? |
| 17:45.05 | moomoo_ | jetx : curiously that package doesnt exists on my apt list there is 2.4.25 then skips to 2.4.27 |
| 17:45.09 | cinix | Wyzard, ah now what if it's not in my sources.list and a .deb file I built myself |
| 17:45.10 | moomoo_ | jetx : i am at stable |
| 17:45.17 | Wyzard | hehelol: The prebuilt kernels include most of the available drivers -- all built as modules, so you only actually load the ones you need |
| 17:45.27 | paulswm | !irritate jethro |
| 17:45.28 | dpkg | jethro: hi every1 how does I run teh grafixx windows ????? |
| 17:45.34 | Wyzard | cinix: Then just install it again with dpkg |
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| 17:45.45 | cinix | gotcha |
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| 17:46.18 | cinix | i love debian packages |
| 17:46.23 | Wyzard | hehelol: You generally don't need to compile a custom kernel, and shouldn't unless you know what you're doing |
| 17:46.45 | hehelol | after your first few compiles its not difficult |
| 17:46.48 | gin_ | i can't share my libtcl8.4.so who can help me ? |
| 17:46.51 | Wyzard | hehelol: No, it isn't |
| 17:46.58 | gin_ | ./eggdrop: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:46.58 | gin_ | make: *** [modules] Error 127 |
| 17:47.00 | Wyzard | hehelol: After your first few compiles, you know what you're doing :-) |
| 17:47.07 | hehelol | Although steep learning curve :> |
| 17:47.11 | hehelol | I remember my first hehe |
| 17:47.14 | hehelol | I had to read everything :x |
| 17:47.20 | Eulex | hehelol, the benefits are that apt can manage the kernel... f.e. you can apt-get remove your kernel |
| 17:47.26 | Wyzard | hehelol: Are you using a custom kernel, or a stock one? |
| 17:47.32 | hehelol | custom |
| 17:47.39 | Wyzard | hehelol: Did you build it with make-kpkg? |
| 17:48.01 | hehelol | make menuconfig, make |
| 17:48.03 | dystopian | compiling your own kernel is like a geek right of passage but it's not so important nowadays. things usually already work... |
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| 17:48.27 | Wyzard | hehelol: make-kpkg is a sort of frontend for the kernel build process, which does the build and then wraps up the result (bzImage + modules) in a .deb that you can install |
| 17:48.40 | hehelol | :o |
| 17:48.43 | Eulex | dystopian, except my atapi-over-sata cd, that require enabling of ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI in libata.h |
| 17:48.46 | chealer | dystopian: it's a matter of principles |
| 17:48.53 | hehelol | I think I am too stuck in my ways to change to that :), but ty |
| 17:49.02 | Wyzard | hehelol: It also has facilities for applying and removing modular patches (such as what you find in kernel-patch-* packages) so you can use a patched kernel but still keep your source tree clean |
| 17:49.02 | hehelol | + if you know how to do it generically |
| 17:49.05 | dystopian | :) |
| 17:49.05 | hehelol | you can install on any machine |
| 17:49.14 | chealer | running a stock kernel is like putting a gentoo CD in the garbage |
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| 17:49.44 | hehelol | chealer: I assume you mean with gentoo :) |
| 17:49.55 | Wyzard | hehelol: You also need it to build modules from *-source packages, and I think the resulting debs depend on the kernel-image deb, so you should use make-kpkg to compile the kernel too |
| 17:50.02 | cinix | Crap, I started off with a debian kernel config when compiling my new kernel, what's in the initrd that's vital? didn't even think of that. my filesystem is compiled statically, anything else? |
| 17:50.32 | Wyzard | cinix: If your IDE (or SCSI, if you use that) drivers and root filesystem are compiled in, you don't need initrd |
| 17:50.33 | Eulex | cinix, you need your ide controller |
| 17:50.36 | kadarkhan | hehelol i seem to be missing /etc/init.d/functions also, do you happen to know the packages? because now i have daemon installed but still missing killproc and status programs which i can't find via apt-cache search |
| 17:50.39 | hehelol | I never install source packages with debian |
| 17:50.50 | gin_ | Somebody can help me ? |
| 17:50.51 | cinix | Oh yea. damn! |
| 17:51.01 | Eulex | kadarkhan, those are vital in any debian system, are you running debian? |
| 17:51.04 | paulswm | cinix: you don't need an initrd provided that everything you need to mount your root filesystem is compiled into the kernel, that's the only necessity. |
| 17:51.16 | kadarkhan | Eulex yea, running debian unstable |
| 17:51.23 | cinix | right, forgot my IDE controller |
| 17:51.32 | Wyzard | hehelol: I don't mean source packages in the "apt-get source" sense... I mean "binary" packages such as qc-usb-source, which contain sources for add-in kernel modules |
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| 17:51.42 | hehelol | ah |
| 17:51.44 | kadarkhan | Eulex unsure why i am missing them, how do i get it after the fact? |
| 17:51.50 | hehelol | I dont have them either |
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| 17:51.58 | hehelol | So I dont think they are vital |
| 17:51.59 | hehelol | :o |
| 17:52.04 | hehelol | bu functions I dont have |
| 17:52.09 | Eulex | kadarkhan, no /etc/init.d at all? or do you mean a script named 'functions' in /dev/init.d/? |
| 17:52.14 | paulswm | Damn, what an irritating nick |
| 17:52.47 | hehelol | Wyzard: I am yet to run into a situation where I require that feature, or the moment may have passed and gone and I didnt notice |
| 17:52.48 | Eulex | kadarkhan, I was thinking the former, but now I realise that you probably mean the latter |
| 17:52.49 | Wyzard | hehelol: The patching support is useful though... I use kernel-patch-debianlogo, and when I build a kernel the patch is automatically applied, and when I clean the patch is automatically removed, so the source tree stays clean |
| 17:52.51 | kadarkhan | Eulex i have /etc/init.d of course, im missing /etc/init.d/functions script which is suppose to call daemon, killproc and status (the latter two i am missing) |
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| 17:53.10 | Eulex | kadarkhan, you could try using apt-file |
| 17:53.21 | hehelol | what i generally do is, if I need to recompile a kernel |
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| 17:53.26 | hehelol | I get fresh source |
| 17:53.33 | hehelol | I use that as my oppurtunity |
| 17:53.35 | hehelol | to update |
| 17:53.39 | hehelol | otherwise I leave it |
| 17:53.50 | Wyzard | hehelol: Nothing wrong with doing it that way |
| 17:54.01 | Wyzard | hehelol: but IMO the make-kpkg way is cleaner |
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| 17:54.38 | paulswm | !enter |
| 17:54.38 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 17:54.49 | kadarkhan | Eulex apt-file only shows me files which are in some package, but i can't find a package at all that could possibly have killproc or status |
| 17:54.52 | cinix | hmm SATA controller drivers be under SCSI? |
| 17:54.53 | Wyzard | hehelol: The resulting .deb will run mkinitrd to build an initrd if you built the kernel with the --initrd option... and when it installs the modules in /lib/modules it'll automatically rename any existing modules directory of the same name, rather than just dumping files into it |
| 17:55.02 | Wyzard | cinix: yes |
| 17:55.28 | hehelol | Your suggest is better for a static kernel version |
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| 17:55.33 | Eulex | kadarkhan, I dunno |
| 17:55.36 | hehelol | but because I update it shouldnt make a difference |
| 17:55.52 | kadarkhan | hmm im kinda stuck until i can find killproc |
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| 17:56.03 | Wyzard | hehelol: And it automatically manages the vmlinuz symlinks -- vmlinuz gets renamed to vmlinuz.old, and a new vmlinuz is created which points to the kernel you're installing |
| 17:56.04 | cinix | I see config options for an ICH5 but not my ICH6R.. hmmm |
| 17:56.20 | hehelol | Becoming a salesman :p |
| 17:56.29 | hehelol | I dont mind doing those things |
| 17:56.32 | hehelol | Because |
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| 17:56.39 | Wyzard | hehelol: I find that particularly useful since I have GRUB configured to boot vmlinuz, so I don't have to update anything else after I install the deb |
| 17:56.44 | hehelol | Its system independant |
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| 17:57.00 | hehelol | that depends on your boot menu tho |
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| 17:57.08 | Supaplex | hell yes for SA 3! |
| 17:57.15 | hehelol | do you have vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old |
| 17:57.33 | hehelol | Where as I stick in kernel version |
| 17:57.34 | paulswm | FFS go easy on the enter key |
| 17:57.47 | Wyzard | hehelol: I do, but I only have vmlinuz in my grub config, because I almost always want to boot my latest kernel, whatever version it may be |
| 17:58.05 | Wyzard | hehelol: (If I need to boot something different, I can just open a grub prompt, but I only need to do that in recovery situations) |
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| 17:58.45 | hehelol | although the things we discuss take less than 60 seconds about say once a month which is 12 min a year spent on renaming kernels :p |
| 17:58.50 | hehelol | if it was that important I could make a script |
| 17:59.08 | Wyzard | hehelol: I know :-) |
| 17:59.11 | hehelol | ah remind me |
| 17:59.19 | Eulex | cinix: if your ICH6R is like my ICH6, you should only need CONFIG_SCSI_SATA=y CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SVW=m CONFIG_SCSI_ATA_PIIX=y |
| 17:59.19 | hehelol | any of experienced with mplayer + bash script |
| 17:59.23 | Wyzard | hehelol: I guess basically it just seems cleaner to have a package for the kernel |
| 17:59.28 | hehelol | I made a script that can extract the crop of the film |
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| 17:59.34 | hehelol | but |
| 17:59.40 | hehelol | crop changes depending on chapter |
| 17:59.54 | hehelol | so I want multiple chapters crops and then some system that picks the best |
| 17:59.59 | hehelol | I decided it was overkill |
| 18:00.12 | hehelol | unless someone has a solution |
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| 18:00.25 | hehelol | Wyzard: your system is cleaner I do agree |
| 18:00.49 | hehelol | I like being proficient in the generic way |
| 18:00.51 | nyterukh | hi |
| 18:00.54 | hehelol | means I dont have to rely on debian |
| 18:00.57 | hehelol | or any distro |
| 18:01.05 | hehelol | hi nyterukh |
| 18:01.09 | Wyzard | hehelol: Being able to do it the generic way is important |
| 18:01.13 | nyterukh | hi hehehlol |
| 18:01.13 | hehelol | :) |
| 18:01.26 | Wyzard | hehelol: though I only have one box that runs a distro other than Debian :-) |
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| 18:01.42 | chealer | !tell hehelol about enter |
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| 18:02.27 | hehelol | I was using it for emphasis |
| 18:02.30 | paulswm | chealer: I tried that but the twit doesn't seem to listen |
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| 18:03.20 | chealer | paulswm: ur, he's using it for |
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| 18:03.25 | chealer | paulswm: emphasis |
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| 18:03.29 | chealer | paulswm: you know |
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| 18:03.53 | Eulex | hehelol, it creates a lot of unessecary text scrolling on 747 computers -- don't underestimate the power that's needed for all that :) you cause global warming, just like gentoo ;) |
| 18:04.04 | jethro | hah |
| 18:04.08 | hehelol | chealer: The most optimum number of words to read in a line is a around 4, hence why in journal articles you have mutlicolumn |
| 18:04.21 | jethro | bs |
| 18:04.31 | Eulex | hehelol, I think our monitors are wider than that |
| 18:04.34 | hehelol | so not only am I emphasising, I am also making the readability of the things I say more efficient |
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| 18:05.02 | Eulex | hehelol, and you use around 10% of our average monitor width |
| 18:05.04 | hehelol | dont make me start pub meding optimal sentence length |
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| 18:05.22 | Wyzard | hehelol: I don't think that applies when every line begins with someone's nick and causes the screen to scroll |
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| 18:05.50 | chealer | hehelol: don't worry, those who know that using 4% of their brains is the most optimal thing to do will adjust their window sizes |
| 18:05.59 | Wyzard | hehelol: and when the text isn't justified on the right edge |
| 18:06.23 | Wyzard | hehelol: IRC isn't a scientific paper :-) |
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| 18:06.35 | hehelol | Im talking about optimal reading :) |
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| 18:06.39 | chealer | on the other hand, gentoo-caused global warming is a damn good one |
| 18:06.54 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 18:06.59 | Wyzard | That's one I haven't heard of before |
| 18:07.03 | hehelol | All that compilation time |
| 18:07.08 | hehelol | wasted CPU cycles :p |
| 18:08.02 | hehelol | I had gentoo on my server at the instistance of the other sys admin |
| 18:08.09 | hehelol | It was ok |
| 18:08.10 | nyterukh | ya know with all the distros it was kinda hard to pick one...but i picked debian |
| 18:08.34 | nyterukh | server? do you use samba or a true network server, if so what is it |
| 18:08.40 | Eulex | !greenhouse |
| 18:08.40 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 18:08.48 | hehelol | Hosted in Telehouse |
| 18:08.50 | pureone | hahah |
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| 18:09.08 | Eulex | I like the part with "Hug a tree, use Debian" :) |
| 18:09.11 | nyterukh | lol |
| 18:09.17 | hehelol | interesting |
| 18:09.42 | nyterukh | i got samba up an running..but only half right...might have to redo some parts |
| 18:10.08 | chealer | !factinfo greenhouse |
| 18:10.08 | dpkg | greenhouse -- created by cthulfuego <~cafuego@macchiato.cc.com.au> at Tue Feb 8 22:39:40 2005 (143 days); it has been requested 79 times, last by Eulex, 1m 28s ago. |
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| 18:10.20 | chealer | !beer cafuego |
| 18:10.22 | hehelol | I remember stealing someone elses samba script and hacking it to my needs |
| 18:10.31 | hehelol | use nfs :> |
| 18:10.42 | nyterukh | whats nfs |
| 18:10.57 | hehelol | network file system |
| 18:11.00 | Wyzard | Old and ugly, that's what NFS is :-P |
| 18:11.04 | hehelol | lol |
| 18:11.06 | initech | nyterukh: the way one share files on unix? |
| 18:11.09 | cmihai | NFS == it works. |
| 18:11.18 | initech | Wyzard: nfs is very cool |
| 18:11.19 | hehelol | Wyzard: care to elaborate |
| 18:11.30 | initech | nothing wrong with NFS |
| 18:11.38 | Supaplex | !nfs |
| 18:11.38 | dpkg | from memory, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 18:11.39 | initech | in fact it rocks |
| 18:11.46 | hehelol | Although |
| 18:11.50 | nyterukh | well i can access the debian box from windows and not vice versa...and when i do ya dont sign in..with usr/pass like i want |
| 18:11.51 | nyterukh | to |
| 18:11.52 | Wyzard | hehelol: It's insecure except on a trusted LAN, and being stateless causes issues |
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| 18:11.59 | hehelol | I found samba works better with wireless |
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| 18:12.11 | hehelol | but i was lazy to change parameters |
| 18:12.13 | hehelol | so we can devoid that one |
| 18:12.28 | initech | Wyzard: nfs4 is pretty nice. but even nfs3 is ok, considering all the cool shit you can do |
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| 18:12.54 | initech | nfs + automounter is bad assed |
| 18:12.58 | hehelol | nyterukh: I remember there being some limited NFS support 2 years ago |
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| 18:14.09 | nyterukh | is there a pkg in debian...for a true network server so it would go like this router->debian->windows |
| 18:14.21 | nyterukh | dont think samba is a true network server |
| 18:14.33 | Wyzard | nyterukh: "network server" is a generic term... what do you want that middle box to do? |
| 18:14.44 | Eulex | samba is a windows file/printer server |
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| 18:15.34 | Wyzard | nyterukh: Web server, file server, print server, database server, authentication server, etc. are all kinds of "network server" |
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| 18:16.04 | initech | samba is for windowz compatibility only, otherwise, it kinda sucks |
| 18:16.11 | nyterukh | file/print authentication |
| 18:16.17 | nyterukh | k |
| 18:16.36 | dystopian | later |
| 18:16.58 | nyterukh | ircd |
| 18:17.05 | Wyzard | initech: Not necessarily... CIFS has "Unix extensions" that support things like ownership and permissions, and Samba supports them |
| 18:17.15 | Eulex | nyterukh, you have a debian-box with two nics, one which you want to connect to your router and one to your windows machine so that internet is "forwarded" to the windows box? |
| 18:17.30 | Wyzard | nyterukh: Samba handles the file/print, and for authentication, I'm pretty sure there's a RADIUS server package |
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| 18:17.33 | nyterukh | yea |
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| 18:17.38 | nyterukh | Eulex yea |
| 18:17.43 | initech | Wyzard: it is just so much more complicated that normal unix mechanisms, for very little gain |
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| 18:17.56 | hehelol | One thing I liked it for was the mounted drive transparency, you can share one samba drive and it can represent a whole tree of other mounts instead of exporting them individually |
| 18:17.57 | nyterukh | for now...like a bridge/firewall between winblows an the net |
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| 18:18.06 | Wyzard | nyterukh: That's the router's job |
| 18:18.22 | Eulex | I would like to do that too... being able to forward internet from a laptop with a wireless nic to a desktop computer which hasn't got a wireless nic, but I dunno how |
| 18:18.23 | nyterukh | lol...ok |
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| 18:18.28 | eeyore- | hehelol: why can't you do that with NFS? |
| 18:18.32 | ^QwErTz^ | /msg dpkg install debian |
| 18:18.38 | ^QwErTz^ | doh |
| 18:18.43 | Wyzard | nyterukh: well... assuming that by "router" you mean a typical home NAT device |
| 18:18.45 | hehelol | requires you to export each drive |
| 18:18.50 | eeyore- | hehelol: no |
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| 18:19.12 | nyterukh | yea i got a netgear router...the internet goes to the router which goes to the 2comps |
| 18:19.31 | Stereo | Eulex: read the linux advanced routing howto |
| 18:19.34 | initech | hehelol: no it doesn't ... you can export a tree and the automounter can mount any number of things in there |
| 18:19.35 | eeyore- | hehelol: what you can do with samba, you can do with NFS. except one thing, local symbolic-link resolution on smbd side |
| 18:19.40 | Stereo | Eulex: or apt-get install redir if you can't be bothered |
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| 18:20.08 | eeyore- | hehelol: for NFS, there's no server-side link following like there is with samba, so your symlinks have to resolve on the clients |
| 18:20.09 | initech | nfs is better than samba on a unix network |
| 18:20.25 | initech | no doubt |
| 18:20.29 | eeyore- | hehelol: but other than that |
| 18:20.30 | nyterukh | one quest i installed bastille, and then removed it fifteen mins later when even as root i couldnt open a file..but when i started the bastille it said i was running an unstable version of debian..but i did a netinstall..though i would get a stable version doing that |
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| 18:20.58 | Eulex | Stereo, ok, thanks |
| 18:21.00 | caspercba | !shit |
| 18:21.00 | dpkg | somebody said shit was fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
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| 18:21.16 | sess | if I want to set something suid I would chmod u+s? |
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| 18:21.30 | sess | and chown the file to the user I want it executed as? |
| 18:21.42 | eeyore- | sess: chown first, then chmod |
| 18:21.48 | Eulex | nyterukh, check your source.list |
| 18:21.52 | Wyzard | hmm... "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" doesn't ask me about where to forward root's mail |
| 18:21.53 | sess | thank ye |
| 18:21.58 | hehelol | we had several machines exporting onto one machine where we centralised the shares and then exported one share across a network of mixed machines |
| 18:22.03 | eeyore- | sess: if you chmod first then chown, and you chown to root, the +s bit gets reset :-) |
| 18:22.12 | cinix | I seem to have an EHCI controll and a UHCI controller, and until I unload the EHCI controll some things like usb thumb drives don't work, is anyone famliar with this problem? |
| 18:22.18 | hehelol | but I remember when we tried nfs only it would only mount the machines stored on the local machine |
| 18:22.40 | Wyzard | cinix: EHCI is USB 2.0 |
| 18:22.44 | hehelol | but it wasnt really an issue |
| 18:22.47 | eeyore- | hehelol: you do *not* want to do that. it sucks up bandwidth 2x |
| 18:22.59 | Wyzard | cinix: Without an EHCI driver, I guess USB 2.0 devices wouldn't work |
| 18:23.10 | eeyore- | hehelol: that is a really stupid architecture ... might as well use automount (/net/*) |
| 18:23.18 | hehelol | for the windows machines it was necessary out of convenience |
| 18:23.25 | nyterukh | mm |
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| 18:23.28 | bomex | i cant seem to get the sound working...anyone got an idea what might be wrong? |
| 18:23.39 | hehelol | permissions on /dev/dsp |
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| 18:23.44 | hcy | hi, i'm wondering if there's somewhere in gnome that regulates the maximum amount of disk space used for 'thumbnails'. my .thumbnails directory gets way too big and then i get error messages that i don't have disk space. I'd like to set a maximum size, that once that's filled it gets rid of older thumbnails before saving newer ones. how's that done, if possible? |
| 18:23.52 | matteo | hi |
| 18:23.55 | _Aceman_ | folks, do u know if is possible to install the last xorg with apt? (Debian sarge) |
| 18:23.58 | Wyzard | bomex: Add your account to the "audio" group and make sure you have the driver module loaded for your sound card |
| 18:24.00 | Eulex | hmm... which one should I use? badram or badmem? |
| 18:24.01 | matteo | someone use amd64? |
| 18:24.04 | hehelol | _Aceman_: it is |
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| 18:24.12 | hehelol | the source is.. 1 sec |
| 18:24.16 | eeyore- | Eulex: none, get a new stick |
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| 18:24.21 | faked | matteo: yes |
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| 18:24.31 | nyterukh | how do you check source.list |
| 18:24.32 | Eulex | !tell matteo about poll |
| 18:24.38 | hehelol | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.41 | brownjava | having some trouble with RAID under debian...I have a single RAID-0 array, rebooted yesterday, and now I can't mount /dev/md0...Debian thinks I have two raid arrays as well (/dev/md0 and /dev/md1)...original devices are fine, I can mount them separately |
| 18:24.47 | Yokaloshi | which version of debian do i use for a computer with an amd k6? |
| 18:24.47 | hehelol | has kde3.4 on there also I think |
| 18:24.48 | Eulex | nyterukh, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:25.00 | nyterukh | k |
| 18:25.01 | _Aceman_ | do u know apt source list ? (xorg debian) |
| 18:25.09 | hehelol | Yokaloshi: You can use any |
| 18:25.12 | matteo | faked, have you a link for sources.list for amd64? |
| 18:25.17 | hehelol | compliance and performance with the K6 |
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| 18:25.24 | hehelol | are down to the packages you install |
| 18:25.30 | hehelol | and the kernel |
| 18:25.31 | Eulex | _Aceman_, me? debian.linux-systeme.com is a good one |
| 18:25.35 | Wyzard | _Aceman_: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/14794.html |
| 18:25.53 | Yokaloshi | which of these versions though? [alpha] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] |
| 18:25.55 | _Aceman_ | ty, both of u |
| 18:26.01 | hehelol | i386 |
| 18:26.02 | gravity | Those are experimental packages. There are sarge backports done by Norbert Tretowski |
| 18:26.05 | matteo | faked, ? |
| 18:26.06 | eeyore- | yaka: i386 |
| 18:26.08 | Wyzard | Eulex: Any xorg there is unofficial... don't use |
| 18:26.09 | faked | matteo: http://debian.inode.at/debian-amd64/ <-- check this one |
| 18:26.10 | Stereo | _Aceman_: try apt-get install apt-spy |
| 18:26.18 | Yokaloshi | thanks guys |
| 18:26.26 | Wyzard | Eulex: Daniel Nusinow's xorg packages are the ones that will actually go into Debian |
| 18:26.27 | Eulex | Wyzard, I'm using it right now :) |
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| 18:26.40 | _Aceman_ | apt-spy? dont know |
| 18:26.41 | gravity | _Aceman_: http://www.inittab.de/blog/2005/07/02#20050625_xorg-backport |
| 18:26.44 | eeyore- | you would think the CPU arch names would be obvious |
| 18:26.47 | eeyore- | but no ..... |
| 18:26.47 | gravity | Use that one. Not the gravityboy ones |
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| 18:27.00 | Wyzard | gravity: Why not? |
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| 18:27.10 | gravity | Wyzard: Those are for experimental. The others are sarge backports |
| 18:27.15 | _Aceman_ | ty |
| 18:27.19 | gravity | Wyzard: If you're running sid, then use mine |
| 18:27.49 | gravity | If you're running sarge, use Norbert's |
| 18:28.01 | Wyzard | gravity: I'm running the gravityboy one on sid |
| 18:28.03 | eeyore- | gravity: what if i run gentoo? |
| 18:28.03 | gravity | It shouldn't be a huge deal |
| 18:28.09 | gravity | eeyore-: Wrong chan |
| 18:28.09 | Eulex | what about etch? :) |
| 18:28.10 | Wyzard | but I'd agree that if you're running sarge, you should use the backport |
| 18:28.12 | eeyore- | gravity: :-) |
| 18:28.17 | gravity | Eulex: mine |
| 18:28.20 | metaperl | A CD that plays fine on my stereo cannot be read by Debian testing Linux... it read fine on Fedora Core 3. dmesg transcript here: http://pastebin.ca/16724 |
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| 18:29.12 | hehelol | failing drive? |
| 18:29.20 | metaperl | I attempt to mount the CD via Info Center -> Storage Devices -> /media/cdrom, but it leads to the syslog errors shown |
| 18:29.21 | eeyore- | metaperl: your fedora core 3 has a different cdrom drive than the debian box, right? |
| 18:29.33 | eeyore- | metaperl: besides, you don't mount "audio cd" |
| 18:29.34 | metaperl | eeyore-: no: I erased fedora |
| 18:29.36 | Eulex | gravity: I use the linux-systeme.com now and they work great... |
| 18:29.44 | metaperl | eeyore-: how else can I rip it? |
| 18:29.45 | gravity | Eulex: That's fine. |
| 18:29.52 | eeyore- | metaperl: directly, cdparanoia |
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| 18:30.28 | Wyzard | Eulex: You probably installed that before the actual packages were available |
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| 18:30.45 | Wyzard | Eulex: Going forward, it's best not to install unofficial third-party packages when the Debian maintainer's own packages are available |
| 18:31.05 | eeyore- | Wyzard: debian still has no xorg, or does it now? |
| 18:31.14 | hehelol | it doesnt officially |
| 18:31.20 | gravity | Almost |
| 18:31.23 | gravity | I'm working on it as we speak |
| 18:31.32 | Wyzard | eeyore-: http://www.inittab.de/blog/2005/07/02#20050625_xorg-backport |
| 18:31.34 | hehelol | :o |
| 18:31.46 | Wyzard | eeyore-: The packages are mostly ready, and "preview" versions are available |
| 18:31.54 | Eulex | gravity, though it tries to update sysvinit to 2.86.ds1-3, which ain't possible on etch because of certain dependencies -- would using yours fix that? |
| 18:32.02 | Eulex | Wyzard, ok, I'll think of that next time |
| 18:32.23 | eeyore- | what's "etch", the next debian? |
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| 18:32.36 | eeyore- | i like "mr. wheezie" |
| 18:32.39 | Wyzard | gravity: lol, just looked at your /whois and noticed who you are... OK, I'll take your advice on which packages to use :-) |
| 18:32.39 | gravity | Eulex: No idea |
| 18:32.42 | Godofredo22 | hi all |
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| 18:32.47 | gravity | Wyzard: :-) |
| 18:33.02 | _nyterukh | res |
| 18:33.05 | gravity | Wyzard: If you've figured out something that works for you, just go for it. I'm just giving the best advice I can. |
| 18:33.09 | gravity | I'm no genius. |
| 18:33.25 | Wyzard | gravity: Well, I didn't know about the backport -- someone here gave me a link to your LJ post a few days ago |
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| 18:33.30 | gravity | Cool |
| 18:33.37 | Wyzard | gravity: I'm running it on both my desktop and my laptop now |
| 18:33.46 | gravity | Wyzard: One sec... |
| 18:34.22 | abyss | !cvs |
| 18:34.22 | dpkg | methinks cvs is the Concurrent Versions System -- an RCS extension. ; see(cvs-buildpackage ; cvs-pcl ; cvsweb) or a giant pharmacy corporation or developed at http://www.cyclic.com/, or has a faq at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/fom-serve/cache/1.html, or good documentation can be found at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html |
| 18:34.35 | Wyzard | gravity: One minor problem during installation -- the xfree86-common postinst tried using update-rc.d to remove the links for the old initscript, but didn't remove the file itself from /etc/init.d so that failed, and I had to remove it manually |
| 18:34.40 | Wyzard | gravity: Other than that, no problems |
| 18:35.06 | abyss | how i can set up an cvs server in debian for my own projects? |
| 18:35.36 | hehelol | arg, you will have to read documentation for that :x |
| 18:35.53 | hehelol | better to read and understand |
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| 18:36.27 | hehelol | I usually dont like to say RTFM, but its better if you do |
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| 18:36.32 | pe-de-moleque | apt-build works in a k6-2 ? |
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| 18:36.46 | pe-de-moleque | Seens to compile for i386 always |
| 18:36.48 | abyss | exist any where a kind of free cvs server? |
| 18:36.58 | abyss | where i can host wihtout pay |
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| 18:37.16 | hehelol | ah on the net, not just on one of your systems |
| 18:37.17 | Wyzard | abyss: sourceforge? |
| 18:37.25 | hehelol | I think he means company |
| 18:37.29 | hehelol | not software |
| 18:37.34 | hehelol | like a shell host |
| 18:37.39 | metaperl | abyss:freepan.org |
| 18:38.11 | Wyzard | abyss: Note that CVS (the software) is outdated and has some problems... consider using something newer, like subversion |
| 18:38.41 | hehelol | what benefits does subversion bring? |
| 18:38.41 | abyss | which programm i should use? |
| 18:39.22 | Wyzard | abyss: Subversion is meant to be basically like CVS, but with CVS's problems fixed, so if you're familiar with CVS, use that |
| 18:39.37 | koollman | hehelol: atomic operations, less frequents server connection, better directory support |
| 18:39.42 | Wyzard | abyss: Arch and Darcs are more significantly different, but have features that Subversion lacks |
| 18:39.45 | _nyterukh | mm |
| 18:39.57 | hehelol | mm interesting, I will read into it.. ty |
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| 18:40.13 | abyss | sf has cvs server ? |
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| 18:40.21 | abyss | and rent them for free? |
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| 18:40.27 | Wyzard | abyss: Yes, and I think (and hope) Subversion too |
| 18:40.43 | nyterukh | lol ok forgot about that. |
| 18:41.24 | abyss | ok where i can register? @sf? |
| 18:41.43 | Wyzard | abyss: It'd be better to go to the website and read, rather than asking here |
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| 18:42.30 | hehelol | last try, anyone have 855GM vga chipset or using i810 driver? |
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| 18:42.45 | petemc | hehelol: yes |
| 18:42.46 | Eulex | !tell hehelol about poll |
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| 18:43.06 | Eulex | hehelol, what's the question? |
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| 18:43.18 | hehelol | are you able to change your gamma settings |
| 18:43.27 | gravity | Wyzard: Yeah, we know about that problem, and it'll be fixed in the next upload, which will go to unstable |
| 18:43.38 | crashbg | i have made a portforwarding rule that works when accessing it from external machine |
| 18:43.39 | Wyzard | gravity: OK, cool |
| 18:43.40 | petemc | hehelol: i havent tried |
| 18:43.45 | crashbg | how can i make this forrwarded port to work when accessing it from internal machine? |
| 18:43.48 | hehelol | Eulex: this is the 4th time im asking the question btw |
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| 18:44.05 | petemc | hehelol: asking "who has.." is stupid |
| 18:44.28 | Yokaloshi | my debian disk will not work with my pc.. even though it has worked just ten minutes ago with my other pc. |
| 18:44.40 | hehelol | is there any chance that you can try to change |
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| 18:44.42 | hehelol | with xgamma |
| 18:44.43 | crashbg | Yokaloshi, change cdrom |
| 18:45.04 | Yokaloshi | i think it might be because my debian disk is i386 |
| 18:45.11 | Yokaloshi | and my pc is an amd-k6 |
| 18:45.19 | Yokaloshi | whereas the other was an intel celeron |
| 18:45.22 | crashbg | Yokaloshi, its not the problem |
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| 18:45.25 | hehelol | most people dont have or dont know a solution, everything on the net points at no answer, so pardon my pessimism |
| 18:45.27 | Eulex | Yokaloshi, it should work |
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| 18:45.49 | crashbg | Yokaloshi, i386 means it will work on any CPU after 386 |
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| 18:46.11 | Yokaloshi | oh |
| 18:46.14 | crashbg | lol |
| 18:46.17 | toresbe | !kewl |
| 18:46.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kewl is not cool. kewl is what people who are not cool think is cool. |
| 18:46.19 | Eulex | well, except debian amd64 |
| 18:46.36 | gravity | Well, at least he quit before I had a chance to call ops |
| 18:46.37 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate stupididiot |
| 18:46.37 | apt | stupididiot: hi every1 how can I make my mepis werkz U FUX0RZ |
| 18:46.43 | FieldySnuts | oh. |
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| 18:47.01 | Eulex | bah, I almost had called the ops before he quit |
| 18:47.10 | FieldySnuts | on a weekend? don't bother |
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| 18:47.24 | crashbg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.25 | wooden | has anyone a good command for finding special files (now .m3u) and delete this files? |
| 18:47.26 | Yokaloshi | just to add another twist to this... i am using a cdrom that i just succesfully loaded debian off |
| 18:47.28 | FieldySnuts | on a holiday (in the us) weekend? HEH |
| 18:47.47 | garo | How do i tell debian to start a service in /etc/init.d when it boots ? |
| 18:47.51 | Zetabyte | wooden: man find |
| 18:47.51 | FieldySnuts | wooden: find / -name \*.m3u | xargs -n 1 rm -v |
| 18:48.00 | wooden | FieldySnuts: thx |
| 18:48.02 | crashbg | Yokaloshi, try another kernel from the cd |
| 18:48.07 | Yokaloshi | okay |
| 18:48.08 | mtnman | garo: man update rc.d |
| 18:48.14 | hehelol | petemc: Are you there? |
| 18:48.19 | Yokaloshi | wht like 2.4 or 2.5 instead of 2.6? |
| 18:48.19 | mtnman | garo: man update-rc.d that is |
| 18:48.19 | garo | mtnman: thanks |
| 18:48.32 | mtnman | garo: welcome |
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| 18:48.42 | Eulex | Yokaloshi, linux vs linux26 at boot |
| 18:48.46 | petemc | hoarycripple: i am, but im not using my dell laptop atm |
| 18:48.57 | Eulex | !tell Yokaloshi about doesn't work |
| 18:49.04 | hehelol | ah ok |
| 18:49.06 | crashbg | Eulex, in sarge i think 2.6 is default |
| 18:49.18 | hehelol | ty anyway |
| 18:49.19 | gravity | crashbg: No, it's not |
| 18:49.27 | gravity | But it is easily accessible |
| 18:49.27 | Yokaloshi | in what i have 2.4 is default but i wanted 2.6, i am using the net install |
| 18:49.29 | wiserules | trying to get online after doing netinst... how do i get back to that gui page where i manually input my network settings? |
| 18:49.31 | deadcat | can grsecurity disable all user from listing process except root and deadcat? |
| 18:49.43 | crashbg | oh :) ok so Yokaloshi try linux or linux26 as Eulex says |
| 18:49.46 | gravity | Yokaloshi: Pass "linux26" at boot |
| 18:49.49 | FieldySnuts | deadcat: yes |
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| 18:49.58 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: thanks. and nice (= |
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| 18:50.05 | FieldySnuts | deadcat: in that situation, you can have root see all processes, and deadcat all processes |
| 18:50.05 | hehelol | thought it was expert26, I may be mistaken |
| 18:50.13 | Yokaloshi | gravity: it is linux26 that doesnt work ;) i'll try defaults instead :D |
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| 18:50.17 | FieldySnuts | deadcat: the default is each user, except root, can only see their own processes |
| 18:50.20 | james21 | How much space does debian take up? |
| 18:50.21 | crashbg | expert is more complicated for newbies |
| 18:50.23 | foobus | they sent my laptop back after I sent it in for fan and slow-cpu problems (they swapped out the 2.8GHz cpu for a 2GHz PM last time the memory went out) saying "no linux support" |
| 18:50.33 | green_earz | wiserules: to config the net work setup you can use etherconf |
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| 18:50.41 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: ya. i want reg user to see their own ps, and root and deadcat can see all |
| 18:50.42 | crashbg | james21, about 300-400 MB for console |
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| 18:50.50 | FieldySnuts | foobus: wow what jackasses. they're dealing with hardware not software. guess you know not to bother with that company |
| 18:50.51 | smo_ | hi anyone here good with scripts ??? i made this one http://rafb.net/paste/results/XWpVbQ78.html start and stop works but i can t get restart working it stop but don t restart.... |
| 18:51.05 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: and no 2.6.12 patch yet? )= |
| 18:51.17 | FieldySnuts | deadcat: be sure and enable as many of the restrictions as you can, grsecurity is a great patchset |
| 18:51.19 | foobus | Yah, they're also dealing with someone that buys a lot of stuff for his lab |
| 18:51.26 | james21 | Could i partition a 9GB HD to run 2 distributions crashbg ? |
| 18:51.28 | FieldySnuts | deadcat: nah. too soon |
| 18:51.29 | wiserules | i dunno if etherconf is included in the netinst |
| 18:51.30 | foobus | and knows others that do the same |
| 18:51.44 | deadcat | smo_: restart) $0 stop; $0 start;; |
| 18:51.47 | crashbg | james21, sure |
| 18:51.48 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: ok |
| 18:51.51 | hehelol | james21: You can |
| 18:51.51 | deadcat | thanks |
| 18:51.53 | james21 | cool |
| 18:51.54 | FieldySnuts | 2.6.11.12 is the latest kernel supported by grsecurity |
| 18:51.54 | smo_ | i try deadcat |
| 18:52.11 | james21 | Well i am beginner, i guess i just mean for future when i get the hang of things |
| 18:52.13 | james21 | k thanks guys |
| 18:52.14 | foobus | Dell is crap kit... many hardware problems |
| 18:52.15 | james21 | peace |
| 18:52.23 | hehelol | enjoy |
| 18:52.24 | FieldySnuts | foobus: yep |
| 18:52.27 | green_earz | wiserules: there is some where in kde a ether net setup app name ??? |
| 18:52.28 | Eulex | !tell james21 about enter |
| 18:52.44 | petemc | foobus: no its not, your experience may have been bad, but lots of other people use ti w/out problems |
| 18:53.01 | james21 | lmao, sorry, seeya!!! <-- 3 words then enter |
| 18:53.01 | smo_ | same |
| 18:53.05 | foobus | petemc: no mine is a very common experience. |
| 18:53.06 | smo_ | stop but don t restart |
| 18:53.13 | smo_ | crazy.. |
| 18:53.19 | hehelol | nn all |
| 18:53.22 | mtnman | petemc: the thing is that dell is focused on low-cost, not quality. |
| 18:53.24 | petemc | foobus: they're the largest company of their type |
| 18:53.30 | petemc | mtnman: i know what dell are |
| 18:53.35 | foobus | petemc: so's microsoft |
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| 18:53.41 | smo_ | deadcat |
| 18:53.42 | Eulex | smo_, maybe #bash can give you the answer? and /msg dpkg enter |
| 18:53.48 | mtnman | petemc: walmart is the largest company of their type, but sell crap. |
| 18:53.53 | petemc | foobus: great argument, but not at all valid in this case |
| 18:53.53 | smo_ | i m in #bash |
| 18:53.54 | foobus | petemc, it isn't because they have good stuff that they are big |
| 18:53.55 | smo_ | too |
| 18:54.02 | foobus | yeah, sure |
| 18:54.05 | FieldySnuts | the only laptops I know of that work reliably and consistantly in linux/freebsd are toshiba |
| 18:54.08 | petemc | foobus: actually, i dont care what you think, so i wont argue |
| 18:54.11 | foobus | ibm |
| 18:54.11 | Zetabyte | Dell's high-end server stuff isn't half bad, and as expected, supports linux quite well. it's mostly their consumer-end stuff that's so shitty |
| 18:54.19 | deadcat | smo_: check sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/bin/ttysplash i have it do start|stop|restart and shits |
| 18:54.20 | VivekVC | I am not able to get any of the gnome of kde icons to get displayed. Though both of them get started, gnome stops after displaying the debain icon, kde also stops afer "initialising network |
| 18:54.30 | VivekVC | " services icon. |
| 18:54.38 | smo_ | thx deadcat |
| 18:54.47 | foobus | petemc, yes: in light of testimony contrary to your own you plug your ears and whistle loudly |
| 18:54.49 | VivekVC | I am on icewm, what could be wrong ? |
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| 18:55.28 | Eulex | FieldySnuts, I had some problems setting up this dell laptop, but it's caused by it's use of the new sonoma chipset and the atapi-over-sata cd, which is not well supported in linux yet |
| 18:55.29 | petemc | foobus: i could tell you about all the poweredges i run, or the man desktops and laptops my organisation uses, but id be wasting my time |
| 18:55.29 | FieldySnuts | it's not the truth, it's just you're an arrogant prick. |
| 18:55.31 | foobus | Sony's ok, but they put up roadblocks if you want to dig inside and swap out the harddrive |
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| 18:55.36 | petemc | many |
| 18:55.42 | sepski | VivekVC, have you recently upgraded kde/gnome, first thing i'd try is moving the ~/.kde and ~/.gnome dirs out of the way |
| 18:55.46 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate mtnman |
| 18:55.46 | apt | mtnman: hi every1 how does I run teh edonkey kthx |
| 18:55.53 | Thor- | FieldySnuts: Dell D810 work for me. Just installing sarge on it now. been runing ubuntu on it for 2 months |
| 18:56.01 | Vamped | is there a list that has whether or not certain hardware works with debian? |
| 18:56.07 | deadcat | smo_: if you use && that means it has to success on stop then start, just use stop; start |
| 18:56.15 | petemc | Vamped: if the linux kernel supports it, debian does |
| 18:56.23 | smo_ | i try |
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| 18:56.36 | VivekVC | sepski: I've just installed Debian GNU/Linux testing and used |
| 18:56.41 | foobus | petemc, if you are arguing that because you have only seen white geese that there are no black geese then you are wasting MY time |
| 18:56.50 | VivekVC | "tasksel" to choose the desktop environment. |
| 18:56.59 | Vamped | petemc how can i find out what works with the kernel then? |
| 18:57.05 | petemc | foobus: i wasnt, in fact i didnt even reply to your first few comments |
| 18:57.34 | petemc | foobus: anyone who randomly blurts "foo is crap" into a channel generally just wants to argue |
| 18:57.40 | guruman | hi, is there some way to make the "commandbar" in bash work similar they way bitchx does it, i mean if text is at the rightmost part of the screen it scrolls the text to the left. Because it now just starts at the beginning overwriting what was already written? |
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| 18:57.53 | foobus | no I want to scare people away from Dell kit :) |
| 18:57.57 | petemc | Vamped: google for the device _ linux |
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| 18:58.08 | www | hello |
| 18:58.09 | green_earz | Vamped: you could use modconf to see what modules are enabled |
| 18:58.21 | foobus | it's my one recourse to the shabby treatment they've given me |
| 18:58.21 | FieldySnuts | i already won't buy dell stuff, or laptops in general, too irritating to get everything working in linux |
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| 18:58.26 | foobus | well, not the only one |
| 18:58.28 | www | when i apt-get upgrade, my system wants to update a lot of packages |
| 18:58.35 | www | how to avoid that ? |
| 18:58.41 | deadcat | mtnman: fuck dell (= |
| 18:58.41 | sepski | www, are you on woody now ? |
| 18:58.43 | FieldySnuts | uh, that's wha tyou get with upgrade. |
| 18:58.44 | www | yes |
| 18:58.46 | VivekVC | sepski: Thanks |
| 18:58.50 | Eulex | www, lol |
| 18:58.51 | mtnman | deadcat: only with a condom. |
| 18:58.56 | Eulex | I'll qotd that |
| 18:58.57 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 18:58.58 | Vamped | fieldysnuts: i know what you mean, i have a dell and nothing in it works with linux easily |
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| 18:58.59 | petemc | foobus: the hdd on my d400 died, i told the support guy the errors im dmesg, they sent me out a new disk straight away |
| 18:58.59 | sepski | www, edit your sources.list from stable to woody |
| 18:59.08 | deadcat | mtnman: hehe.. true. |
| 18:59.15 | mtnman | deadcat: or maybe two. |
| 18:59.16 | sepski | www, since sarge have replaced woody as stable. |
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| 18:59.22 | www | i want to upgrade my system but not go to sarge |
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| 18:59.27 | www | at least now |
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| 18:59.35 | sepski | www, therfor you replace stable with woody in your sources.list |
| 18:59.44 | www | okay |
| 18:59.48 | foobus | petemc, I didn't have such an easy support problem: the cpu is wrong |
| 18:59.50 | deadcat | mtnman: you going to LWCE this year? |
| 18:59.55 | mtnman | yes |
| 18:59.56 | www | s/stable/woody is enough then in apt.conf |
| 19:00.03 | deadcat | cool |
| 19:00.04 | mtnman | deadcat: are you? |
| 19:00.16 | deadcat | mtnman: ya. picnix is on sunday this yr (= |
| 19:00.23 | sepski | www, no in sources.list |
| 19:00.29 | mtnman | deadcat: did we meet there last year? |
| 19:00.47 | sepski | you must ofcouse apt-get update, but you knew that i assume |
| 19:00.53 | deadcat | mtnman: ya. |
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| 19:01.08 | www | great |
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| 19:01.16 | mtnman | deadcat: forgive me for not remembering. |
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| 19:01.25 | www | if i would do an apt-get upgrade, would it be the same as a dist-upgrade then ? |
| 19:01.26 | deadcat | mtnman: never! |
| 19:01.31 | laserite | hi all, I've got a sata hd, the logs show that ata_piix scsi module sees the hd, but I don't know which device I have to mount? sdx doesnt work, any ideas? thnx! |
| 19:01.38 | mtnman | deadcat: did you sign up on the wiki to cover a shift? |
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| 19:01.49 | deadcat | mtnman: nah. wheres the wiki at? |
| 19:02.06 | romulo | hi,anyone here managed to get midi devices working? i get the list of devices but when i run pmidi it says its playing but no sound come out |
| 19:02.07 | Eulex | foobus, "cpu is wrong"? |
| 19:02.14 | sepski | www, upgrade and sist-upgrade handles dependencies differently. you dont need dist-upgrade if you only want to install security updates for woody |
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| 19:02.20 | FieldySnuts | you don't mount enitire disks. you want sdxN where N is the partition number |
| 19:02.21 | mtnman | http://wiki.debian.net/?lwe2005 |
| 19:02.27 | deadcat | k |
| 19:03.04 | www | sepski : if i want later to upgrade to sarge, is dist-upgrade the same as an apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 19:03.12 | laserite | FieldySnuts, but cfdisk /dev/sdb doesn't work, and it should |
| 19:03.12 | Eulex | www, no |
| 19:03.22 | foobus | Eulex, when I purchased it it had a 2.8GHz Pentium, after the first repair ("memory" is what the guy said) it had a 2GHz Pentium M listed in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:03.23 | sepski | www, no then you dont want to use apt-get even , and you seriously want to read the release notes |
| 19:03.32 | www | okay |
| 19:03.34 | sepski | www, it's all explained there |
| 19:03.35 | Eulex | www, to upgrade to sarge you'd do dist-upgrade |
| 19:03.54 | www | will it be a clean install or is it better to scratch evthg and install ? |
| 19:04.22 | Thor- | Eluex: dist-upgrade to sarge only almost works. |
| 19:04.25 | sepski | www, if you read and follow the releasenotes you shoudnt have problems, worked for me on 3 wooy's so far |
| 19:04.31 | www | great |
| 19:04.37 | www | thanks |
| 19:04.39 | www | bye |
| 19:04.40 | Eulex | foobus, that's bad, but I'd consider a 2ghz pm to be better than a 2.8ghz p4 |
| 19:04.48 | Eulex | !tell www about enter |
| 19:05.05 | deadcat | mtnman: monday is only for conference right? not the free exhibit |
| 19:05.14 | foobus | Eulex, but if it doesn't work well with your computer... what do you call it? I call it garbage |
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| 19:05.27 | www | :) |
| 19:05.27 | Eulex | foobus, true |
| 19:05.31 | mtnman | deadcat: i think so, but it is also setup day on the exhibit floor. |
| 19:05.36 | deadcat | ah |
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| 19:05.45 | ^QwErTz^ | i need an information, is the 2nd binary of sarge is the same as woody ? "vanilla" |
| 19:05.52 | Vamped | does sarge use xfree86 4.3 or higher? |
| 19:05.53 | foobus | maybe it needed a bios flash or something? I don't know these things but it may be true. |
| 19:05.54 | ^QwErTz^ | "binary cd" |
| 19:05.55 | deadcat | mtnman: how the hell did don get a debian.org email? (= |
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| 19:05.55 | ^QwErTz^ | sorry |
| 19:05.59 | pippijn | hi all |
| 19:06.03 | pippijn | how do I allow root to run X things in my ssh -X session? |
| 19:06.06 | Wyzard | ^QwErTz^: No, woody is the previous release |
| 19:06.10 | mtnman | deadcat: he maintains a package or two. |
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| 19:06.16 | gravity | Vamped: Yes, 4.3 |
| 19:06.22 | Wyzard | ^QwErTz^: The second CD of sarge is just the second CD of sarge |
| 19:06.22 | deadcat | mtnman: ah. bastard (= |
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| 19:06.31 | ^QwErTz^ | Wyzard i mean, is the 2nd binary cd is vanilla like with woody |
| 19:06.36 | deadcat | !tell pippijn about sshx |
| 19:06.39 | foobus | Eulex, it is now slower than my PII 366MHz vaio |
| 19:06.41 | mtnman | deadcat: you should be thanking him for his contribution, rather than getting jealous. |
| 19:06.49 | foobus | way slower |
| 19:06.52 | Wyzard | ^QwErTz^: I'm not sure what you mean by "vanilla" |
| 19:06.56 | Wyzard | ^QwErTz^: It contains packages |
| 19:06.59 | nyterukh | sorry got a buggy connection unill they come out an fix it |
| 19:06.59 | pippijn | hrm |
| 19:07.01 | deadcat | mtnman: heheh. i want a debian.org email too |
| 19:07.03 | ^QwErTz^ | its a flavor |
| 19:07.04 | Eulex | foobus, ouch |
| 19:07.16 | mtnman | deadcat: apply. |
| 19:07.25 | mtnman | deadcat: adopt a package. |
| 19:07.27 | green_earz | pippijn: enable X forwarding on the ssh server, its in the server conf file |
| 19:07.28 | pippijn | deadcat: what if I ssh to the box with a regular user, then su to root? |
| 19:07.42 | ^QwErTz^ | with woody, just the 1st cd is not enough for me, cause the 2nd contains modules for hardware |
| 19:07.47 | Wyzard | ^QwErTz^: Debian releases don't have "flavors"... are you talking about the flavors of the install floppies? |
| 19:07.55 | foobus | Eulex, so they fucked it up and now are backing off their support using a "no linux support" excuse. For my hardware problem. |
| 19:07.55 | pippijn | green_earz: same thing |
| 19:08.14 | Eulex | foobus, that's bs |
| 19:08.25 | ^QwErTz^ | Wyzard... http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=4 |
| 19:08.26 | Eulex | foobus, I mean, what they are saying |
| 19:08.30 | ^QwErTz^ | boot flavors |
| 19:08.37 | FieldySnuts | they're saying they have no clue outside of windows |
| 19:08.54 | deadcat | pippijn: try sudo or sux maybe |
| 19:08.56 | FieldySnuts | typical tech shop |
| 19:09.00 | mtnman | fieldysnuts: but the truth is that they have no clue. period. |
| 19:09.13 | FieldySnuts | windows shops typically don't |
| 19:09.19 | pippijn | deadcat: thanks |
| 19:09.20 | pippijn | sux works |
| 19:09.21 | deadcat | mtnman: cant i just sign up like fucking hotmail or yahoomail? (= or get invited like gmail? |
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| 19:09.42 | mtnman | deadcat: um, uh... |
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| 19:11.01 | Wyzard | ^QwErTz^: I'm pretty sure there aren't any "flavors" of the installer anymore, but the installation manual (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual) would be the place to look |
| 19:11.04 | ^QwErTz^ | Wyzard with woody you dont install with all cds, just the cds you need |
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| 19:11.48 | jim | with woody, with sarge, with whatever |
| 19:11.58 | Wyzard | ^QwErTz^: If you have an Internet connection available while installing, all you need is the netinst or businesscard CD, and the rest will be downloaded on-the-fly |
| 19:12.03 | deadcat | you dont install the cds. just the packages you need |
| 19:12.16 | ^QwErTz^ | so thats why im asking if the 2nd cd is the equivalent of the 2nd of woody |
| 19:12.30 | FieldySnuts | ~nickometer ^QwErTz^ |
| 19:12.34 | jim | if you can avoid downloading cds, please do... bandwidth costs. |
| 19:12.36 | Eulex | haha |
| 19:13.00 | jim | maybe it doesn't cost -you-, but it costs. |
| 19:13.04 | Wyzard | ^QwErTz^: and I'm saying that you only need the first CD, or the netinst CD |
| 19:13.13 | ^QwErTz^ | ok |
| 19:13.20 | ^QwErTz^ | perfect |
| 19:13.21 | mtnman | jim: you "maybe it doesn't cost you directly." |
| 19:13.21 | deadcat | jim: maybe he collect it like other warez |
| 19:13.21 | jim | truthfully you could do it with zero cds |
| 19:13.35 | ^QwErTz^ | FieldySnuts you think your nick is better |
| 19:13.49 | FieldySnuts | i care |
| 19:13.49 | ^QwErTz^ | make you look like a nuts |
| 19:13.51 | mtnman | s/you/you\ mean/ |
| 19:13.51 | Wyzard | ^QwErTz^: Ideally, you should download just the netinst or businesscard CD, and use that |
| 19:13.57 | Eulex | ~nickometer Eulex |
| 19:14.02 | Eulex | :) |
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| 19:14.17 | ^QwErTz^ | Wyzard ok thx |
| 19:14.19 | pngwn | and ^QwErTz^ looks like some lame ass script kiddie |
| 19:14.20 | Wyzard | ^QwErTz^: Your nick starts with an odd punctuation character, which makes it hard to type |
| 19:14.22 | jim | deadcat: if someone collects like that, it's costing for no good reason |
| 19:14.37 | shingouz | !beer pngwn |
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| 19:14.53 | foobus | I don't know, I think of the City of Konigsberg and its seven bridges when I see Eulex's name |
| 19:14.56 | Wyzard | ^QwErTz^: and since the common practice on IRC is to write someone's nick at the beginning of a line when you're talking to them, that becomes an annoyance |
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| 19:15.09 | ^QwErTz^ | pngwn I have this nick since im 14 years old, chattin on efnet (many used ^^) |
| 19:15.11 | Eulex | foobus, eh? |
| 19:15.34 | mtnman | !nickometer ^QwErTz^ |
| 19:15.35 | dpkg | '^QwErTz^' is 99.840% lame, mtnman |
| 19:15.36 | foobus | Euler's famous puzzle resulting in the birth of Graph Theory |
| 19:15.40 | pngwn | ^QwErTz^, it don't make it any less lame ;) |
| 19:15.42 | Eulex | haha |
| 19:15.50 | deadcat | (= |
| 19:15.52 | ^QwErTz^ | lol |
| 19:16.06 | FieldySnuts | getting close to my record 99.970 |
| 19:16.07 | foobus | but that's just me. I'm a fan. |
| 19:16.29 | FieldySnuts | i pasted urandom output at it to get that result heh |
| 19:16.36 | shingouz | heh |
| 19:17.10 | jim | so, it's a good thing to try to get them to try using less bandwidth... floppies, monolithic image, 128mbUSBstick image, start install from dos... in order of least to most bandwidth used... then, netinst cd, and finally cd 1 |
| 19:17.22 | ^QwErTz^ | i cant use my nick without the ^^, someone using this nick |
| 19:17.33 | Wyzard | jim: businesscard CD |
| 19:17.41 | deadcat | mtnman: you guys have the new tshirt for this year yet? |
| 19:17.42 | jim | how large is that image? |
| 19:17.49 | jim | Wyzard... |
| 19:17.54 | Eulex | ^QwErTz^, get a _ or a number |
| 19:17.54 | foobus | append _'s: won't affect how people use Tab completion to finish your name |
| 19:17.56 | shingouz | ^QwErTz^: change the damn tilde into something that can be typed with *one* key then |
| 19:18.02 | shingouz | thanks |
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| 19:18.05 | Eulex | QwErTz--, that works too |
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| 19:18.15 | mtnman | deadcat: dunno. not my dept. i suppose the wiki would say something about it. |
| 19:18.24 | jim | take a number... 959375934759873458973489573495788935789345983475.... NOW SERVING NUMBER 5... |
| 19:18.25 | Wyzard | jim: dunno offhand... around 30MB, I think |
| 19:18.34 | FieldySnuts | !u |
| 19:18.36 | Eulex | shingouz, on a swedish keyboard it's even three keys -- Shift-^ spacebar |
| 19:18.38 | Wyzard | jim: It contains just the installer, not the base system (unlike netinst, which contains base system too) |
| 19:18.40 | jim | Wyzard: so that goes after floppies... |
| 19:19.00 | shingouz | Eulex: i know.. why do you think i am so annoyed at the tildes... |
| 19:19.24 | Eulex | shingouz, oh, you're finnish... |
| 19:19.29 | Wyzard | jim: In terms of absolute bytes transferred, I suppose, but the inconvenience of using floppies isn't worth the few extra megabytes |
| 19:19.39 | jim | I need to talk to the debian-installer folks... anyone from there here? (NOTE, I'm asking because they ASKED people to ask here FIRST) |
| 19:20.04 | jim | Wyzard: it's 2-4 floppies! |
| 19:20.07 | Eulex | jim, aren't the debian-boot mailing list the right place? |
| 19:20.12 | crashbg | can anyone tell me nice blog script with php/mysql that supports images? |
| 19:20.22 | Wyzard | jim: I haven't used the floppies, but I'd guess that they probably omit some udebs that the CD includes, and if you wanted to use those features you'd have to download the udebs from within the installer, negating the savings |
| 19:20.58 | jim | Wyzard: the assumption is what you get from the floppies is just enough to support the cd, the net and the hd |
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| 19:21.48 | jim | so once you get that much, the installer downloads more installer udebs and places (installs?) those |
| 19:21.53 | Wyzard | jim: If that's the case, then fairly essential components of the installer (such as the partitioner and most of the drivers) have to be downloaded during installation, and you have to add thosebytes to the size of the installer |
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| 19:22.02 | Wyzard | jim: So it probably isn't much smaller than the businesscard, if at all |
| 19:22.19 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you should volunteer for LWCE (= |
| 19:22.20 | astro | !time |
| 19:22.21 | dpkg | methinks time is found on http://www.time.com/, or Sat Jul 2 19:22:20 2005 |
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| 19:22.21 | Wyzard | jim: Plus, you can download the businesscard once and use it repeatedly; with the floppies, you'd have to download those components every time |
| 19:22.26 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What is that? |
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| 19:22.31 | jim | Wyzard: it's probably close, you're right |
| 19:22.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: linux world conference expo |
| 19:22.56 | jim | but it's still a choice, one that should be supported |
| 19:23.01 | TwistedEmotions | you can volenteer for it? What do you do? |
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| 19:23.28 | Wyzard | jim: Certainly... but you were talking about which installation means involves the least downloading possible |
| 19:23.30 | jim | the whole idea is to let people install it any way they can |
| 19:23.31 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ask mtnman, i think you stand around the booth and answer qs |
| 19:23.48 | mtnman | deadcat: that is, essentially, it. |
| 19:23.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: are you doing it? |
| 19:23.48 | Wyzard | jim: In that regard, I'd consider the floppies, businesscard, and netinst to be equivalent |
| 19:24.03 | TwistedEmotions | mtnman: Hey what do you do as a volunteer? |
| 19:24.05 | jim | ok, yes... by that definition it's probably the installer+base cd |
| 19:24.20 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nah. but i might drop by and stay for a while though. |
| 19:24.22 | Wyzard | jim: netinst == installer + base system |
| 19:24.26 | TwistedEmotions | okkkkk |
| 19:24.31 | mtnman | twistedemotions: what deadcat said. answer questions. |
| 19:24.44 | jim | well that would get you a system right off the cd |
| 19:24.47 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: if they give me a tshirt free, then i will think about it (= |
| 19:24.53 | TwistedEmotions | mtnman: questions relating to linux or to the expo? |
| 19:25.08 | Wyzard | jim: though netinst always installs the -386 kernel, since that's all it contains... businesscard (and floppies, I guess) can install other kernels (-686, -k7, etc.) since it has to download anyway |
| 19:25.09 | mtnman | twistedemotions: regarding debian. |
| 19:25.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahah. expo related like the schedule and shit (= |
| 19:25.18 | jim | but there's a small problem, that's why I want to talk to the debian-installer people or really the people who did the netinst |
| 19:25.25 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I dont mind but I doubt ill be able to make it there for more then one day.. |
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| 19:25.36 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you dont have to |
| 19:25.38 | Wyzard | jim: I'm not a D-I expert, but I've done a number of installs... what's the problem you're having? |
| 19:25.39 | TwistedEmotions | mtnman: I wouldnt mind but I dont know shit.. |
| 19:25.59 | mtnman | twistedemotions: then don't worry about it. |
| 19:26.04 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: if you do it i will think about it |
| 19:26.10 | jim | the problem is... if you use the netinst cd and you establish networking early, there is no way to tell the installer to pick up the base from the cd |
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| 19:26.40 | Wyzard | jim: hmm... dunno, sorry :-) |
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| 19:26.44 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: but i would like a 401k plan though. maybe health converage too |
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| 19:27.09 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I want to change the Mac downstairs to debian but I need a wireless USB card... What brand should I buy... I dont want to have to install drivers and all that.. hoping that netiso installation will pickup on whatever card I buy so I dont have to setup (since I dont know how) |
| 19:27.24 | Eulex | jim: I think I heard that it is a known problem... |
| 19:27.25 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I think their 401k sucks.. |
| 19:27.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: none. all usb driver require compile. |
| 19:27.37 | jim | Eulex: ok, ok... |
| 19:27.50 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: damn you... |
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| 19:27.56 | deadcat | but so far the prism2 usb are ok |
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| 19:28.09 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: still waiting for the prism54 usb driver to be better. |
| 19:28.10 | jim | Eulex: would you know how to find the thing you read that made you think that? :) |
| 19:28.13 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: will apt install it for me? |
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| 19:28.22 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no. |
| 19:28.30 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: fuck. |
| 19:28.31 | Eulex | jim: someone was talking in this channel about it... |
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| 19:28.37 | deadcat | !compile wlan-ng |
| 19:28.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, compile wlan-ng is reply "1) apt-get install build-essential kernel-headers-`uname -r` 2) cd /lib/modules/`uname -r` ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` source && ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` build 3) download linux-wlan-ng-xxx.tar.gz, untar it, cd to it, make config, make all, make install, update-modules" |
| 19:28.51 | jim | that could have been me about 2 weeks ago or so |
| 19:29.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ^^ using that shit-ass driver but it works |
| 19:29.05 | jim | that's around the time I found it |
| 19:29.06 | Eulex | jim, yes, could've been |
| 19:29.26 | Eulex | and it's around the time I found my way to #debian |
| 19:29.37 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I'm not going to have a net connection till I get the USB up... ;( Realized I cant use usb... |
| 19:29.38 | jim | oh, ok... |
| 19:29.50 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: can I use another install CD? |
| 19:30.07 | FieldySnuts | geez just use a wire during the install |
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| 19:30.25 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you can get the sarge cd1. 650MB |
| 19:30.28 | jim | that's a good suggestion if you have an eth port in there |
| 19:30.36 | FieldySnuts | if you only have wireless you're an idiot, shrug |
| 19:30.47 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: and that will have the drivers? |
| 19:30.49 | jim | deadcat: as we were just saying... |
| 19:31.13 | TwistedEmotions | FieldySnuts: that computer is downstairs... setting up for my mom.. ;( |
| 19:31.19 | jim | a netinst or bus card or floppies would be less load on the mirror |
| 19:31.24 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no driver, you have to get it from the net. |
| 19:31.29 | dystopian | I put sarge on a laptop for this guy with no net connection. I just downloaded a gang of the install disks. |
| 19:31.42 | FieldySnuts | wireless is a major pain in linux, good luck |
| 19:31.45 | Eulex | TwistedEmotions, I think a way is to use a netinst, and then burn the driver onto a cd and install it... |
| 19:31.47 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i can bring a long ass cat5 cable over if you want |
| 19:32.01 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: not really. depends of the damn chipset |
| 19:32.10 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you have like a 600ft one? |
| 19:32.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: from my room to kitchen.. |
| 19:32.26 | smo_ | i have a script wich create a pid file for my program when i try to use kill to stop it, it say no such pid, the pid is in /var/run/ |
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| 19:32.37 | jim | you can't do 600 feet I don't think... you'll need hubs every so often |
| 19:32.44 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no. 200ft (= |
| 19:32.58 | TwistedEmotions | I dont think that is enough.. |
| 19:33.04 | TwistedEmotions | Is it? |
| 19:33.06 | deadcat | jim: ~180 feet i think |
| 19:33.10 | jim | I think 100m is the max without a hub |
| 19:33.23 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i have a hub. |
| 19:33.27 | jim | oh, that's even much less, 50m? |
| 19:33.32 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: and its enough |
| 19:33.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: from my room to the kitchen? |
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| 19:33.45 | deadcat | ya |
| 19:34.00 | jim | what's in your room and what's in the kitchen? |
| 19:34.01 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: just dont follow the stair (= |
| 19:34.04 | Eulex | TwistedEmotions, 600ft is 180m... how big is your house? |
| 19:34.14 | deadcat | Eulex: HUGE |
| 19:34.19 | TwistedEmotions | Eulex: Errr... preety big.. |
| 19:34.24 | deadcat | s/HUGE/FUCKING HUGE/ |
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| 19:34.34 | Eulex | deadcat, hehe, ok |
| 19:34.36 | jim | deadcat, what's in your room and what's in the kitchen? |
| 19:34.41 | hcy | hi, i'm wondering if there's somewhere in gnome that regulates the maximum amount of disk space used for 'thumbnails'. my .thumbnails directory gets way too big and then i get error messages that i don't have disk space. I'd like to set a maximum size, that once that's filled it gets rid of older thumbnails before saving newer ones. how's that done, if possible? |
| 19:34.43 | mtnman | deadcat: you forgot to escape the space. |
| 19:34.44 | jim | machinewise |
| 19:34.45 | TwistedEmotions | Eulex: 1.6 million I think... but in the bay area... so now that big... |
| 19:34.55 | deadcat | mtnman: no need (= |
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| 19:35.16 | jim | you two are both in SF? |
| 19:35.21 | TwistedEmotions | jim: My net connection is in my room... (Router) ... my moms computer is in the kitchen... |
| 19:35.29 | deadcat | jim: 1 room and a huge living room between the 2.. his house. not mine (= |
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| 19:35.51 | deadcat | jim: east bay. contra costa. i used to live in sf. like last yr |
| 19:36.04 | jim | TwistedEmotions, ok so could you move your mom's computer for the install? |
| 19:36.11 | keir | anyone get Quake II to work with debian? it just fails on me with 'error during initialization' |
| 19:36.21 | jim | and is that what you're installing onto? :) |
| 19:36.24 | mtnman | deadcat: i spent two summers in contra costa. el sobrante. |
| 19:36.29 | jim | there's another way to do this :) |
| 19:36.33 | FieldySnuts | ask ID we don't support it, if they don't, too bad, closed source |
| 19:36.38 | TwistedEmotions | jim: yeah... but it's those old mac with the monitors instide... heavy fuckers... well not that bad.. |
| 19:36.40 | deadcat | mtnman: que? |
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| 19:36.43 | Eulex | 1.6 million square inches? |
| 19:36.48 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 19:36.55 | jim | if your mom runs win, you could install cygwin |
| 19:36.57 | deadcat | Eulex: i think thats $$ |
| 19:37.05 | deadcat | jim: its a mac |
| 19:37.08 | mtnman | deidcat: huh? |
| 19:37.08 | dystopian | keir, yeah. quakeII will work. I forget the details of the install. |
| 19:37.10 | TwistedEmotions | jim: its a man |
| 19:37.11 | jim | running osx? |
| 19:37.14 | TwistedEmotions | no |
| 19:37.17 | deadcat | jim: not fast enough |
| 19:37.20 | Eulex | that's 1000m²... which is really huge |
| 19:37.21 | TwistedEmotions | os 9? or 8? |
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| 19:37.30 | jim | ok |
| 19:37.35 | jim | hmm, that's too bad |
| 19:37.36 | keir | dystopian, hmm. this is weird. it fails for me on both ubuntu and debian sid and testing. i must be installing it wrong |
| 19:37.38 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: 8 or 9 is worst than linux (= |
| 19:37.43 | jim | she wants debian? |
| 19:37.47 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: agreed.. |
| 19:37.49 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: and wireless is NONE then. |
| 19:37.57 | mtnman | jim: she wants it, but just doesn't know it yet. |
| 19:38.05 | deadcat | (= |
| 19:38.05 | TwistedEmotions | jim: dont want to pay for mac wireless card which is like 200$.. |
| 19:38.21 | TwistedEmotions | so figured switched to debian and buy a 30$ USB card.. |
| 19:38.25 | mtnman | twistedemotions: considered a wireless bridge? |
| 19:38.32 | deadcat | ya. i wont even pay $50 for that shit ass orinoco that cant do much |
| 19:38.38 | keir | TwistedEmotions, i suggest Ubuntu for new users. most stuff 'just works' |
| 19:38.48 | keir | TwistedEmotions, it's based on debian |
| 19:38.50 | TwistedEmotions | mtnman: good idea... |
| 19:39.02 | dystopian | keir: there are some hoops to jump through. I don't remember it being straight forward. not hard though. |
| 19:39.09 | deadcat | keir: gnome is too bloated. |
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| 19:39.19 | TwistedEmotions | keir: I was just going to install kde... thats retarded enough... she just wants to browse net.. play games and check email |
| 19:39.23 | Danar | anyone used 3ddesktop? |
| 19:39.23 | Eulex | deadcat, agreed |
| 19:39.33 | keir | deadcat, eh, i run fluxbox + nautilus, it's ok. |
| 19:39.39 | jim | she might want to run mac apps :P |
| 19:39.40 | deadcat | Danar: no but i use 2.5Ddesktop |
| 19:39.40 | Eulex | Danar, not using it, but I have installed and working |
| 19:39.45 | jim | better consider that |
| 19:39.49 | deadcat | keir: fuck nautilus with a condom (= |
| 19:39.50 | Danar | Eulex: how do you use it? |
| 19:40.01 | mtnman | deadcat: use two. |
| 19:40.04 | FieldySnuts | fluxbox + nautilus.. what's the point, avoiding bloat then running.. bloat. |
| 19:40.05 | jim | you live near concord? |
| 19:40.06 | deadcat | better be safe then sorry. since i wanted to fuck dell earlier (= |
| 19:40.09 | deadcat | mtnman: hehe |
| 19:40.21 | keir | deadcat, i used to hate file managers, but i must say, drag and drop is just so easy for sending files around |
| 19:40.30 | Danar | Eulex: do you know if it works with icewm? |
| 19:40.36 | dystopian | I found ubuntu to be kind of retarded. about the same amount of crap to do for sarge to get "mulitimedia" going for me. |
| 19:40.40 | jim | if so, you know a place called vinnie's? bar with live music |
| 19:40.40 | Eulex | Danar, run 3ddesk |
| 19:40.41 | deadcat | keir: try rox-filer |
| 19:40.51 | Eulex | Danar, I dunno |
| 19:40.52 | keir | deadcat, i want movie thumbnails |
| 19:41.05 | keir | deadcat, and ssh/ftp/http browsing |
| 19:41.07 | jim | meetoo |
| 19:41.09 | Danar | Eulex: thx. doesn't work :( |
| 19:41.12 | deadcat | keir: ya. especially when you have shits of files with similar name, dragging to xine is much easier |
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| 19:41.24 | Eulex | !tell Danar about doesn't work |
| 19:41.31 | Danar | 3ddeskd: glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible! |
| 19:41.31 | Danar | 3ddeskd: Please configure hardware acceleration. Exiting. |
| 19:41.31 | Danar | Server not found after waiting 5 seconds. |
| 19:41.32 | jim | I want Sandra Bulloch's thumbnail! |
| 19:41.36 | mtnman | deadcat: two words: tab completion. |
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| 19:41.44 | jim | well, not thumbnail... |
| 19:41.53 | keir | mtnman, tab completion sucks when there's a bunch of files with similar prefixes |
| 19:42.00 | Danar | Eulex: you might want to wait until someone has had enough time to even copy & paste before doing that |
| 19:42.05 | deadcat | mtnman: ya. not when the names are so similar and with space and weird chars. |
| 19:42.10 | Danar | i almost pasted in the wrong window :p |
| 19:42.15 | mtnman | keir: on the contrary. it is great for files with similar prefixes. |
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| 19:42.46 | deadcat | mtnman: i setup bash to ignore case when tab'ing so... |
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| 19:43.50 | jim | keir: tab completion in xchat sucks for the reason you say... I wish xchat completion worked like bash's |
| 19:44.16 | Eulex | Danar, sorry, but "thx. doesn't work :(" sounded like you didn't know about it |
| 19:44.37 | deadcat | jim: bash has problem with completion as well. like ssh user@remote<tab> |
| 19:44.44 | dystopian | you have to type enough of the nick in xchat for it to work right. or you get the wrong name and stuff |
| 19:44.52 | Eulex | yeah |
| 19:44.57 | deadcat | jim: also with space and []{}... chars |
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| 19:45.19 | jim | deadcat: oh, I just use it for file names.. that's the only way it makes sense to me |
| 19:45.23 | Danar | Eulex: so any ideas? |
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| 19:45.47 | keir | deadcat, jim: i also find zsh is just excessive. it's nice, but who has 35 hours to spend tweaking their zsh autocompletion? i don't understand why the don't just make a really freaking' awesome default zsh completion rc and include it with upstream. drives me nuts that they have this awesome shell that 1% of its users actually use to its full potential |
| 19:45.50 | deadcat | jim: ah.. you dont use the /etc/bash_completion and the other stuff? |
| 19:45.55 | Danar | dystopian: yeh, but you can keep hitting tab to scroll through them |
| 19:45.59 | jim | it would be nice tho if someone could make a COMPLETE -g-ui that creates bash scripts |
| 19:46.03 | deadcat | keir: ya. and zsh is not on every box |
| 19:46.13 | jim | deadcat: no |
| 19:46.46 | deadcat | jim: doesnt sound possible for a COMPLETE gui that creates bash scripts |
| 19:46.52 | jim | deadcat, TwistedEmotions, so you're both in ccc.. concord? or what town? |
| 19:47.03 | deadcat | jim: kinna why? |
| 19:47.08 | deadcat | wnat to hookup? (= |
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| 19:47.30 | jim | oh, I used to go to this place Vinnie's on wed, they host a jam session |
| 19:47.38 | jim | I might go this wed |
| 19:47.53 | deadcat | dont know where that at. but TwistedEmotions might know |
| 19:48.02 | jim | if it's the same house band, they -rock-, very talented and versatile |
| 19:48.13 | deadcat | jim: i kknow how to get to school, frys and thats about it |
| 19:48.26 | jim | it's really close to frys |
| 19:48.37 | jim | like within 7-8 blocks |
| 19:48.44 | deadcat | ah |
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| 19:49.00 | deadcat | jim: so you going to linuxworldexpo? did you sign up? |
| 19:49.04 | Eulex | Danar: I thought you understood what I meant |
| 19:49.07 | jim | not yet, |
| 19:49.18 | jim | I probably should before the free tix run otu |
| 19:49.18 | deadcat | jim: better hurry. |
| 19:49.20 | jim | out |
| 19:49.23 | deadcat | ya |
| 19:49.35 | Danar | Eulex: huh? |
| 19:49.51 | deadcat | keir: fuck 2, try q3 (= |
| 19:50.06 | jim | what about doom3? that avail for linux? |
| 19:50.18 | nicknicknick | yeah |
| 19:50.19 | Eulex | Danar, sorry, I missed that you had pasted... btw, do not paste right into the channel... /msg dpkg paster |
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| 19:50.28 | transgress | okay umm... i just put a dvd in, and gnome is trying to mount it, but it keeps hanging up my system for a second... and it's been going for a couple minutes now |
| 19:50.32 | keir | deadcat, work machines have no 3D accell, trying to find a game all the boxes can run |
| 19:50.32 | transgress | anyone have a suggestion? |
| 19:50.36 | jim | nicknicknick: it is? cool... I'll look into it |
| 19:50.36 | Danar | it's only 3 lines |
| 19:50.40 | Eulex | Danar, you haven't got 3d acceleration |
| 19:50.47 | nicknicknick | jim :/ |
| 19:50.48 | Danar | apparently |
| 19:50.58 | jim | I probably dont' anymore either |
| 19:51.01 | Eulex | Danar, what card and driver? |
| 19:51.10 | transgress | wait i take it back... it finally mounted... |
| 19:51.13 | Danar | 9200se. mesa |
| 19:51.21 | jim | I wanna see the screen savers go faster :) |
| 19:51.27 | Yowe | hi |
| 19:51.36 | Eulex | Danar, mesa ain't an X11 video driver |
| 19:51.40 | cmihai | jim: I'm playing Doom 3 on my Debian Sid right now ;) |
| 19:51.41 | nicknicknick | get a risc box :P |
| 19:51.48 | cmihai | Works great. |
| 19:51.50 | Danar | if you say so |
| 19:51.54 | Eulex | mesa is opengl software emulation |
| 19:52.00 | jim | cmihai: would it work with sarge? |
| 19:52.02 | Yowe | my sound works ok on my new sarge system, except for skype |
| 19:52.07 | cmihai | jim: sure it does. |
| 19:52.11 | Danar | whatever debian uses for 9200se then |
| 19:52.13 | Yowe | does someone know how to make this work ? |
| 19:52.19 | FieldySnuts | ask skype, it's proprietary and closed software, not ours |
| 19:52.21 | dystopian | make what work? |
| 19:52.24 | cmihai | Installed it on sarge -> worked, upgraded to etch, worked, upgraded to sid -> worked... |
| 19:52.31 | jim | so I have a radeon somethingorother... let's see |
| 19:52.32 | dystopian | oh skype... |
| 19:52.50 | jim | there's the box |
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| 19:52.53 | jim | 9600se |
| 19:52.53 | cmihai | All you need is the Doom 3 Linux installer (id's ftp server). It's 10MB. A valid (legal) cd key, and the original cd's (windows). And copy the pak files. |
| 19:52.59 | cmihai | You don't even need the cd's to play :) |
| 19:53.12 | Eulex | Danar, are you using ati or fglrx? |
| 19:53.19 | Danar | ati |
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| 19:53.30 | jim | is doom3 network only? if so can you get the server? |
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| 19:53.38 | Eulex | Danar, afaik ati won't give 3d acceleration for 9600's |
| 19:53.45 | cmihai | jim: no, there's Single player also. |
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| 19:53.46 | Danar | had a prob with fglrx. never got around to fixing it. some version magic thing |
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| 19:53.53 | digitalbit | Hi! Anyone with RV380 ATI Chip (PCIE) running DRM ? |
| 19:53.55 | Danar | Eulex: 9200se |
| 19:53.56 | dystopian | doom3 isn't network only, it has single player. |
| 19:54.04 | dystopian | like the original doom |
| 19:54.05 | Eulex | Danar, oh |
| 19:54.08 | jim | ok, good |
| 19:54.13 | cmihai | jim: there's also the multiplayer and the dedicated server..it's in the same 10MB installer. |
| 19:54.30 | dystopian | it's an intense game |
| 19:54.32 | jim | oh really :) so you can get the server anyway :) |
| 19:54.41 | Eulex | digitalbit, what is the name of your card? (as in 9200, x700, etc) |
| 19:54.53 | jim | for me, camping was usually intense |
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| 19:55.01 | Eulex | Danar, "version magic thing"? |
| 19:55.03 | digitalbit | Eulex: ATI x600 pro 256 MB |
| 19:55.11 | jim | but that goes without saying unless we forgot tents |
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| 19:55.39 | jim | so I can't get 3d accel for my 9600? |
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| 19:55.52 | Eulex | digitalbit, , http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 19:56.00 | Eulex | jim: you should |
| 19:56.13 | Danar | Eulex: i went through the guide to get it installed, but i did one step wrong, and put the wrong version suffix, now it won't load |
| 19:56.17 | jim | someone said ati doesn't give it out or something? |
| 19:56.24 | Danar | i was going to fix it when i had more time |
| 19:56.27 | Eulex | jim, the X11 ati driver won't give 3d acceleration, fglrx will |
| 19:56.33 | jim | ohh |
| 19:56.42 | jim | gotcha |
| 19:56.51 | jim | so I can do it if I want :) |
| 19:56.53 | jim | good to know |
| 19:56.56 | Eulex | jim: yeah |
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| 19:57.05 | vlt | hi i have a simple question. maybe stupid i guess. where can i find the netinst cd image for unstable? i've only seen ones for testing and stable at ftp.debian.org |
| 19:57.06 | Danar | alright. thx |
| 19:57.09 | jim | and the installer is at that .it link you just posted? |
| 19:57.13 | cmihai | jim: http://www.3dgamers.com/games/doom3/downloads/ -> There's a Doom 3 demo, and an installer. |
| 19:57.27 | cmihai | And a Linux SDK. |
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| 19:57.37 | jim | sdk? |
| 19:57.38 | Eulex | jim: biggest problem with fglrx afaik is that you lose the ability to suspend (well, it doesn't work ok at least) |
| 19:57.40 | cmihai | If you have the Windows version, just grab the linux installer. |
| 19:57.44 | jim | really |
| 19:57.48 | cmihai | jim: edit levels && such I guess. |
| 19:57.50 | misfit | hi, I recently installed xorg in my debian sarge box, I also have xfree86, could anyone tell me how the heck can I check if im running xorg instead of xfree86? I want to be sure ive migrated succesfully |
| 19:57.53 | nicknicknick | okay what would be faster?: 2x Intel Pentium-III 600MHz or one celeron 2,4Ghz? |
| 19:57.54 | Eulex | vlt, there aren't enything like that |
| 19:58.23 | jim | nicknicknick: I would guess the celery, but it also depends on how much ram |
| 19:58.33 | Eulex | jim: agreed |
| 19:58.37 | nicknicknick | well 512Mb ram on both .. sdram/ddr |
| 19:58.41 | jim | in fact ram size has more than double the weight typically |
| 19:58.56 | cmihai | jim: there's lots of games for Linux you know. ID games (quake, doom, etc), Unreal Tournament's, Neverwinter Nights, etc. And most work great with Cedega (i've played Half Life 2 / Counter Strike Source without problems, and tons more).... |
| 19:58.57 | jim | how much can you expand each |
| 19:59.01 | vlt | Eulex: so i have to use a full cd image... ok thanks |
| 19:59.05 | nicknicknick | up to 2Gig |
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| 19:59.06 | keir | awesome, found the problem after stepping through the code... it was looking for gamei386.so in ./baseq2, not ./ |
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| 19:59.26 | Eulex | vlt, no, get the sarge netinst, and apt-get upgrade to ssid |
| 19:59.29 | Eulex | *sid |
| 19:59.29 | jim | nicknicknick: they'll both go to 2g? |
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| 19:59.45 | nicknicknick | jim if I have enough memory banks .. yes |
| 19:59.52 | nicknicknick | err modules |
| 19:59.59 | Eulex | cmihai, those are not "for linux". those are emulated in linux |
| 20:00.02 | jim | vlt: note!! if you run sid, you likely won't get support here |
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| 20:00.14 | jim | just so ya know |
| 20:00.14 | nicknicknick | cmihai!!! |
| 20:00.18 | cmihai | Eulex: I mean the ones _for_ linux. |
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| 20:00.29 | cmihai | Before the "And mos work" part. |
| 20:00.30 | Turjakas | um, how can I use fdisk on sarge netinst (sparc) ? i can't find it on the filesystem when using console.. |
| 20:00.57 | jim | Turjakas: it has that other thing, I think it's called partman? |
| 20:00.59 | Turjakas | the graphics partitioner just doesn't seem to work well with my sparc :/ |
| 20:01.02 | Eulex | cmihai, ok... does Neverwinter Nights come for linux? |
| 20:01.08 | cmihai | Eulex: SURE |
| 20:01.10 | jim | yes |
| 20:01.11 | cmihai | I've played it for years :) |
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| 20:01.21 | jim | I haven't played for awhile... |
| 20:01.26 | jim | way too much time |
| 20:01.29 | misfit | hi, I recently installed xorg in my debian sarge box, I also have xfree86, could anyone tell me how the heck can I check if im running xorg instead of xfree86? I want to be sure ive migrated succesfully |
| 20:01.35 | goedel | (msg dpkg paster |
| 20:01.57 | jim | goedel: howbout http://rafb.net/paste |
| 20:02.03 | cmihai | Yeah, I'm searching like crazy for my DVD... I've backed up the cd's "just in case" ...and "just in case"... happened :( |
| 20:02.17 | Turjakas | it can only create a ~206mb partition although I have a 2.2gb disk .. and I have no idea what's worng |
| 20:02.25 | astronut | what's with the new authentication in apt? |
| 20:02.39 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: for the imac what chipset do I use.. |
| 20:02.44 | jim | apt: you changing on us again?? |
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| 20:02.46 | cmihai | Besides, I just backup the install, since installing it (NWN + SOU +HOU + CEP + 1.66 patch + 100 modes..takes a while to install ) |
| 20:03.04 | TwistedEmotions | ia64 m68k powerpc? |
| 20:03.10 | nyterukh | res |
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| 20:03.46 | Eulex | misfit: well, |
| 20:03.48 | jim | astronut: likely we need mroe details :P what details, you might ask? /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 20:03.52 | Eulex | misfit: top |
| 20:03.55 | nyterukh | !ping |
| 20:03.55 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:04.03 | jim | buh |
| 20:04.04 | goedel | a solution for stuNNed's problem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/285 |
| 20:04.18 | astronut | jim: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 20:04.18 | astronut | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y |
| 20:04.26 | cmihai | jim ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/doom3/linux/doom3-linux-1.3.1302.x86.run -> All you need for doom3. |
| 20:04.51 | jim | cmihai: ok, x only, btw? or svgalib too? |
| 20:05.12 | cmihai | X... |
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| 20:05.21 | cmihai | It's really resource intensive :) |
| 20:05.24 | astronut | if only x didn't freeze with nvidia |
| 20:05.30 | jim | as long as it runs :P |
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| 20:05.33 | Eulex | TwistedEmotions, I think powerpc... though I'm not sure |
| 20:05.44 | astronut | jim: me or cmihai? |
| 20:05.46 | cmihai | It runs great on anything == GF4MX440+, 512MB RAM |
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| 20:05.49 | TwistedEmotions | Eulex: kk thanks |
| 20:06.17 | Dak | I'd like to install some new themes...debian says that I have no Moodin plugin installed. Could you help me? |
| 20:06.17 | astronut | cmihai: uggh...gf4mx440 + gfmx4000 + nividia drivers = x crash |
| 20:06.34 | Eulex | TwistedEmotions, ia64 is intel's 64-bit architecture and m68k was for older macs |
| 20:06.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: powerpc |
| 20:06.37 | astronut | .gf4mx440 + gfmx4000 + nv drivers = crappy performance with no GL, but stability |
| 20:06.40 | cmihai | GFMX440 + NVIDIA + XFree86 == Love. |
| 20:06.41 | Eulex | I think, pre-osx |
| 20:07.07 | cmihai | astronut: I have no problems here, and I've ran Doom 3 and Unreal Tournament like crazy ... |
| 20:07.10 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk... downloading netinstall version of debian right now.. |
| 20:07.18 | cmihai | Heck, I'm even on Sid now, and I've had no crash / freeze what so ever. |
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| 20:07.19 | TwistedEmotions | I think it's the testing or unstable version |
| 20:07.27 | astronut | cmihai: i think it's my motherboard |
| 20:07.30 | TwistedEmotions | it's testing |
| 20:07.33 | cmihai | Could be. |
| 20:07.49 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Where do you live? |
| 20:07.52 | Dak | Is someone there who knows what is Moodin plugin??:-P |
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| 20:08.07 | astronut | uhm, what do i have to do to get this gpg key for neriem mirror? |
| 20:08.23 | nyterukh | brb |
| 20:08.58 | cmihai | astronut: well, what about XOrg with the latest NVIDIA drivers ?! |
| 20:09.06 | vlt | Eulex: i'm confused. can you tell me where i can find the unstable iso images |
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| 20:09.15 | astronut | cmihai: no xorg yet.... |
| 20:09.16 | jacques_ | bonjour! |
| 20:09.37 | jacques_ | est ce qu'il y a des français ds le coin???? |
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| 20:09.56 | astronut | !fr |
| 20:09.56 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:09.59 | thingfish | jacques_: debian-fr |
| 20:10.14 | astronut | what's this new PGP stuff in apt? |
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| 20:10.57 | TwistedEmotions | astronut: that's what I'd like to know... I fixed it... some guy sent me directions but I still dont know what the funk it does... |
| 20:11.25 | cmihai | Verify the validity of the packages / source ?! |
| 20:11.35 | cmihai | Or a comple waste of time...wichever ;) |
| 20:11.39 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: pittsburg |
| 20:11.40 | astronut | ya,but implementation looked screwed up if it breaks |
| 20:11.45 | TwistedEmotions | astronut: I think you need the download the key for each site.. |
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| 20:11.51 | astronut | if the end user has to import keys, it's broken |
| 20:12.04 | astronut | how the heck do you import the key? |
| 20:12.10 | jsn | I have a dump that won't fit on a DVD. Should I turn the first volume of the dump into one img, and the second half into a separate img, or is there a right way to do it? |
| 20:12.14 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Im going to costco at 4-5pm you need anything? |
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| 20:12.34 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nah. i got water from safeway for my car (= |
| 20:12.47 | TwistedEmotions | astronut: pgp some shit? ... let me see if I can link |
| 20:13.00 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: your car needs water? |
| 20:13.02 | astronut | i imported the key into my keyring |
| 20:13.05 | jsn | s/half/volume |
| 20:13.05 | astronut | but apt doesn't recognize it |
| 20:13.08 | hellz | hi, i hve a question on C, i know this is not the righ forum to talk to but still here great many C experts are there that atleast give me a pointer, my question is how do i use C++ AP's in C |
| 20:13.13 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: food anything else |
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| 20:13.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ? |
| 20:13.17 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. i have 35 bottles in the trunk when i get thirsty |
| 20:13.29 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nah. thanks man. |
| 20:13.36 | cmihai | Water?! You'll rust.... |
| 20:13.51 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: listen to cmihai. |
| 20:13.56 | deadcat | hahah. |
| 20:13.59 | astronut | it's in both my user keyring and root's brand new keyring..but not apts |
| 20:14.00 | deadcat | drink (= |
| 20:14.13 | TwistedEmotions | astronut: sorry I already cleared the history... |
| 20:14.16 | cmihai | "Why drink and drive when you can smoke pot and fly"... |
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| 20:14.32 | thingfish | hehe cmihai |
| 20:14.40 | deadcat | i feed me with water, i feed my horses with gas the $$ gas |
| 20:14.41 | TwistedEmotions | cmihai: Why drink and drive when you can drink THEN drive? |
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| 20:14.55 | kwyjibo | hello |
| 20:14.56 | jsn | Is there an appropriate forum, or can someone recommenda google search, for moving the dump files (in 2 volumes) onto separate media. I know, it's such a dump basic that I'm probably over-analyzing, but I also want it to be ... |
| 20:14.56 | jsn | recoverable (the whole point). |
| 20:15.03 | kwyjibo | how can i start the network config wizard again |
| 20:15.11 | kwyjibo | at command line |
| 20:15.14 | cmihai | TwistedEmotions: well, just in case you're unable to drive afterwards... |
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| 20:15.26 | bluefox83 | something is slowing my system down, and i can't get ps x to work, it's frozen my terminals and i can't get another one to come up, is there another way to find out and stop whatever is using up all my system resources? |
| 20:15.31 | TwistedEmotions | cmihai: you speak of blasphemy... |
| 20:15.56 | TwistedEmotions | cmihai: Just kidding... dont even really drink.. |
| 20:15.56 | cmihai | TwistedEmotions: well, it's all about those shitty gears... driving isn't the problem... starting the car is :) |
| 20:16.03 | bluefox83 | when i say it's slowing it down, i mean lots of things are frozen on my screen |
| 20:16.10 | jsn | bluefox83: Can you use killall <some known, unnecessary program name here>? |
| 20:16.14 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I took two beer bong rips yesterday.. |
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| 20:16.27 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i dont kow what that is (= |
| 20:16.28 | bluefox83 | jsn, can't even get a terminal to come up |
| 20:16.48 | cmihai | I like dark beer every now and then... but that's about it. |
| 20:17.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you serious? A funnel goes to a tube... you fill it with beer then take it all down in like 3 seconds.. |
| 20:17.09 | streuner | dpkg, xorg sarge is <reply> get nobse's backport for sarge at http://www.inittab.de/blog/backports |
| 20:17.09 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 20:17.12 | thingfish | ales are good, too. |
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| 20:17.15 | kwyjibo | someone? :S |
| 20:17.20 | TwistedEmotions | !beerbong |
| 20:17.24 | TwistedEmotions | bah. |
| 20:17.29 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahah. nah man i dont drink |
| 20:17.30 | kwyjibo | how can i start the network config again. i put in the wrong settings |
| 20:17.43 | deadcat | kwyjibo: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:17.44 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: neither do I... not really.. |
| 20:17.55 | kwyjibo | k thx |
| 20:17.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: dont drink means not a sip |
| 20:17.59 | thingfish | I thought a beer bong was where you used beer instead of water in a bong. |
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| 20:18.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: no shit? |
| 20:18.08 | bluefox83 | no.. |
| 20:18.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no shit. |
| 20:18.16 | kwyjibo | wait |
| 20:18.21 | bluefox83 | beerbong = beer + funnel |
| 20:18.22 | kwyjibo | there's nothing in there deadcat. |
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| 20:18.38 | deadcat | kwyjibo: you have a problem then man 5 interfaces |
| 20:18.40 | kwyjibo | oh. it says "dhcp". and this requires me to know something about linux |
| 20:18.53 | kwyjibo | there was a wizard to do this during the install |
| 20:18.55 | cmihai | What's dhcp got to do with linux ?! |
| 20:19.05 | deadcat | kwyjibo: not after you done with install (= |
| 20:19.07 | kwyjibo | editing a config file requries knowing linux |
| 20:19.15 | cmihai | lol :) |
| 20:19.19 | deadcat | kwyjibo: then maybe debian is not for you |
| 20:19.20 | kwyjibo | especially when i hav to edit it to be non-dhcp |
| 20:19.21 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What kind of morals is that? You eat children but you refuse to drink alcohol? |
| 20:19.25 | kwyjibo | look |
| 20:19.30 | nathan_ | lol |
| 20:19.35 | Dak | What is Moodin? anybody could help me? |
| 20:19.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i am a christian HAHAHAHHA |
| 20:19.43 | TwistedEmotions | hahahahahahaah |
| 20:19.44 | kwyjibo | how am i supposed to know the syntax of a config file when it is currently set to dhcp wen it should not be |
| 20:19.48 | cmihai | A what ?! |
| 20:19.51 | deadcat | i kid i kid |
| 20:20.06 | deadcat | christians eat children AND drink |
| 20:20.17 | nicklasw | Hi. I have just installed debian and it work great but I have a problem. It only have 600x800 px. on the screen. but if i try to change it, it say i only have two possibilities, 640x480 and 800x600 px. but my monitor have 1024x768 px. what can i do?? |
| 20:20.21 | cmihai | You wouldn't happen to be one of those pesky Jehova's witnesses who keep bothering me, whould you ?! |
| 20:20.22 | TwistedEmotions | AND body of christ. |
| 20:20.33 | TwistedEmotions | Wierd people.. |
| 20:20.37 | deadcat | (= |
| 20:20.48 | cmihai | Nothing like 2 men in black suits.. (matrix anyone) wanting to tell you the words of the lord... sheesh |
| 20:20.56 | TwistedEmotions | Damn... net install cd takes years to download... |
| 20:21.18 | TwistedEmotions | 144k/sec... damn debian mirrors |
| 20:21.19 | deadcat | i say jesus here the other day. he /join and /part real quick though |
| 20:21.24 | cmihai | Oh well, I'm out. |
| 20:21.27 | cmihai | deadcat: second coming. |
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| 20:21.31 | cmihai | Short lived. |
| 20:21.35 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: use berkeley? |
| 20:21.37 | TwistedEmotions | cmihai: who's coming? |
| 20:21.39 | kwyjibo | deadcat or someoe |
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| 20:21.46 | Pryon | chihchun: zarquon |
| 20:21.48 | kwyjibo | can you help me edit that file. it is overwhelming. ;S |
| 20:21.48 | deadcat | kwyjibo: someoe |
| 20:22.03 | cmihai | kwyjibo: sure, firs you fire up TECO or vile... |
| 20:22.03 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: no... I think like pheonix or some shit... whatever is default on their website. |
| 20:22.11 | cmihai | then you shoot yourself in the foot... |
| 20:22.13 | cmihai | :) |
| 20:22.17 | Dak | Moodin???? What is this? |
| 20:22.19 | deadcat | kwyjibo: just 2 lines. |
| 20:22.26 | cmihai | I'm out, godda fly. Bye. |
| 20:22.32 | TwistedEmotions | cmihai: later |
| 20:22.33 | thingfish | Dak: no one knows. |
| 20:22.41 | TwistedEmotions | kwyjibo: what file? |
| 20:22.56 | kwyjibo | interfaces |
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| 20:23.01 | kwyjibo | right now it says: |
| 20:23.08 | vchrizz_ | hiho |
| 20:23.09 | kwyjibo | auto eth0 |
| 20:23.09 | TwistedEmotions | #flood |
| 20:23.16 | kwyjibo | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:23.21 | kwyjibo | that wasn't a flood |
| 20:23.26 | Turjakas | is there a way to install those udeb-packages from the console (in debian installer) ? |
| 20:23.27 | deadcat | kwyjibo: line1: auto eth0 line2: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:23.32 | kwyjibo | :S |
| 20:23.34 | TwistedEmotions | was just saying post it in #flood |
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| 20:23.52 | deadcat | Turjakas: udeb? |
| 20:24.06 | kwyjibo | well. i need it to be configured for an ip address, netmask, and gateway on the outside world. not-dhcp |
| 20:24.11 | TwistedEmotions | Turjakas: What did that sentence mean? |
| 20:24.18 | Turjakas | um :D |
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| 20:24.37 | TwistedEmotions | Turjakas: apt-get install <package> ? |
| 20:24.38 | Turjakas | well, I don't have fdisk unpacked on the ram disk (or whatever it is) on the default sarge netinst on sparc |
| 20:24.38 | deadcat | kwyjibo: man 5 interfaces its all there. |
| 20:24.38 | vchrizz_ | i run debian sarge as workstation and really like it! im curious if it is possible to have a windows2000-like style ;) |
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| 20:25.08 | deadcat | vchrizz_: you mean theme? depends |
| 20:25.09 | vchrizz_ | either with own x-server or just as skin ? |
| 20:25.14 | Turjakas | and I found that there is a fdisk-something.udeb-file which might contain the program.. and I want to know how to extract it from the package .. |
| 20:25.14 | TwistedEmotions | vchrizz_: yes... apt-get install crap |
| 20:25.23 | deadcat | hahah |
| 20:25.23 | vchrizz_ | TwistedEmotions: really? |
| 20:25.27 | vchrizz_ | :P |
| 20:25.30 | delirium | when I start a terminal (Konsole) as a regular user, maps and files have different colors depending on what kind of file it is or if it is a directory. When I change to root, all files and folders have the same color, you can't even see the difference anymore between a file and a directory. |
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| 20:25.32 | thingfish | Dak: it appears to be a theme engine for KDE 3.4. If it's in Debian, it's in either testing or unstable. |
| 20:25.33 | Eulex | vlt: there exist nothing like that -- to get unstable, install with the stable netinst, set up your sources.list to point to unstable and then upgrade the packages you want to upgrade (check apt-listbugs before upgrading a package) |
| 20:25.39 | TwistedEmotions | vchrizz_: I swear on windows... |
| 20:25.46 | deadcat | (= |
| 20:25.50 | thingfish | if KDE 3.4 is even in either of those. |
| 20:25.51 | Eulex | misfit: what are you sending to me? |
| 20:25.58 | deadcat | vchrizz_: he knows what hes talking about |
| 20:25.58 | bluefox83 | ok, i just restarted my system, is there a way i can find out everything that was running before i shut down last time? |
| 20:26.05 | TwistedEmotions | Eulex: pron! |
| 20:26.33 | thingfish | Dak: talk here, don't /msg me please, read /topic. |
| 20:26.34 | TwistedEmotions | vchrizz_: there are hella themes out there... just google it... Im sure there is a win2k theme.. |
| 20:26.35 | Eulex | TwistedEmotions, his dcc'ing something... |
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| 20:26.59 | ricky | hello |
| 20:27.06 | bluefox83 | how do i find out what programs were running at the time that i restarted my machine last/ |
| 20:27.08 | bluefox83 | ? |
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| 20:27.10 | thingfish | np, Dak. |
| 20:27.10 | TwistedEmotions | Eulex: trojan horse script? |
| 20:27.15 | Eulex | vchrizz_, there's a windows gtk2 theme engine, and there's most probably a windows wm theme for your wm |
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| 20:27.27 | ricky | i alre |
| 20:27.42 | ricky | i already installed Xserver, how can i get startx to run? |
| 20:28.01 | vchrizz_ | cool :) thank you :) ill ask google ... |
| 20:28.10 | deadcat | vchrizz_: why you want to make it look windows? i mean windows theme isnt that nice. most morons try to make it osx, i understand but windows? |
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| 20:28.15 | bluefox83 | what does bonobo-activation-server run? and is it important? |
| 20:28.20 | TwistedEmotions | vchrizz_: search crap. |
| 20:28.24 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 20:28.43 | TwistedEmotions | ricky: /etc/init.d/gdm start ? |
| 20:28.56 | ricky | okay i'll try that |
| 20:28.57 | vchrizz_ | deadcat: well, you dont know what crazy things i try to work together ... heh |
| 20:29.14 | Wyzard | bluefox83: bonobo-activation-server starts processes to provide services needed by other programs |
| 20:29.26 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you dont know what kinda crap he deals with.. |
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| 20:29.33 | TwistedEmotions | ok ok ill stop. |
| 20:29.36 | bluefox83 | Wyzard, so it's important? |
| 20:29.49 | Wyzard | bluefox83: In GNOME, yes |
| 20:29.59 | Eulex | apt-cache search crap -- 7 packages found |
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| 20:30.06 | bluefox83 | Wyzard, i run icewm, would it still be important? |
| 20:30.07 | Eulex | so yes, there's crap in debian :) |
| 20:30.08 | foobus | hah |
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| 20:30.22 | vchrizz_ | deadcat: primary i want this theme to run debian on my mothers notebook ;) (best would be if she doesnt notice that :P) |
| 20:30.23 | Wyzard | bluefox83: If you use any GNOME apps |
| 20:30.25 | TwistedEmotions | Eulex: thats the windows themes... |
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| 20:30.38 | deadcat | vchrizz_: try icewm window manager then |
| 20:30.58 | TwistedEmotions | vchrizz_: dont change it and shell NEVER notice. |
| 20:30.59 | vchrizz_ | k, thanks |
| 20:31.12 | TwistedEmotions | your welcome. |
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| 20:31.16 | vchrizz_ | :P |
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| 20:31.21 | Granden | What wrong with this symlink |
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| 20:31.24 | TwistedEmotions | :D |
| 20:31.24 | Granden | mkdir /home/granden/music ; ln /mnt/usb/Musik/ /home/granden/music |
| 20:31.24 | Granden | ln: `/mnt/usb/Musik/': hard link not allowed for directory |
| 20:31.28 | Eulex | vchrizz_, haha, you wanna install debian on her machine without her noticing? |
| 20:31.39 | Wyzard | Granden: As it says, you can't make hard links to directories |
| 20:31.42 | crogue5 | what is everyones view on bittorrent, i have been reluctant to install it on either my linux or windows for fear of anything that can come in... like P2P stuff, i hate P2P... is torrent better? |
| 20:31.42 | Eulex | Granden, that's not a symlink, that's a hard link |
| 20:31.46 | Wyzard | Granden: Use a symbolic link instead |
| 20:31.50 | Eulex | Granden, you want ln -s |
| 20:31.53 | Granden | okej |
| 20:31.54 | Granden | thanks |
| 20:31.57 | ettercap | crogue5: Like most open source stuff it is free of spyware |
| 20:31.59 | Granden | that was a fast response |
| 20:32.00 | Wyzard | Granden: (Symlinks are usually more appropriate than hard links, even for files) |
| 20:32.06 | ettercap | crogue5: Just get the official client, or get Azureus |
| 20:32.22 | vchrizz_ | would be really cool, if she wouldnt notice much changes... little changes are ok... i just want that she doesnt freak out if she doesnt know what or where to click |
| 20:32.23 | crogue5 | ettercap: so it's ok and nothing to worry about? |
| 20:32.25 | ettercap | crogue5: And the torrents are hashed and md5 sum'd, so you don't have to worry about getting junk |
| 20:32.35 | ettercap | crogue5: Yep, it is a nice friendly p2p system |
| 20:32.41 | crogue5 | ok cool |
| 20:32.47 | Granden | how do I remove a symlink? |
| 20:32.48 | delirium | when I start a terminal (Konsole) as a regular user, maps and files have different colors depending on what kind of file it is or if it is a directory. When I change to root, all files and folders have the same color, you can't even see the difference anymore between a file and a directory. How do I fix this ? |
| 20:32.48 | Wyzard | crogue5: bittorrent itself is not spyware or malware. |
| 20:33.02 | streuner | Granden: rm? |
| 20:33.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: be right back. i need to brush my teeth. |
| 20:33.03 | Eulex | Granden, just remove it like a normal file |
| 20:33.08 | Granden | ok |
| 20:33.19 | Wyzard | crogue5: Of course, you should be careful about what you download, regardless of the means by which you download it |
| 20:33.37 | p8m | delirium: don't use root |
| 20:33.40 | Wyzard | ettercap: That assumes that the original file didn't have junk in it :-) |
| 20:33.43 | ettercap | Wyzard: I've downloaded lots and never had a problem, just go to a well know tracker |
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| 20:33.57 | ettercap | Wyzard: Most of the time if no one is seeding a "hot" file, the file is probably junk |
| 20:34.02 | delirium | p8m : is there no other way ? Why did they make it that way ? |
| 20:34.03 | crogue5 | yeah i know that... why i never install P2P.. just didnt' know torrent was open source, but i just saw it on sf.net so i jsut been livining in a hole i guess, hehe |
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| 20:34.15 | Wyzard | ettercap: I know... but avoid saying md5 == safe, because it's not true |
| 20:34.16 | ettercap | crogue5: Yeah written in Python |
| 20:34.26 | crogue5 | great thanks everyone |
| 20:34.31 | ettercap | Wyzard: Yeah, you could still get a faulty .exe or something *shrugs* |
| 20:34.32 | Wyzard | crogue5: There's also Azureus, which is a very nice GUI bittorrent client written in Java |
| 20:34.47 | ettercap | Wyzard: Normally the garbage works itself outta the trackers though |
| 20:34.49 | Eulex | Wyzard, yes it's nice, but it's java *shudder* |
| 20:35.01 | Wyzard | Eulex: Java isn't that bad |
| 20:35.23 | vchrizz_ | well, thats just one of my little problems ;) could anyone help me with openvpn? i know there's a chan, but not much activity there :( my problem/idea: http://www.ontrix.net/vpn.jpg (handmade drawing :P) |
| 20:35.23 | ettercap | Eulex: The GUI is "responsive" because it is in SWT not Swing, like Eclipse |
| 20:35.31 | shingouz | this has to be some kind of a misconfig but what? when i have to give a user/pass for a webpage the user is valid. the next time i visit the page i can login without problems if i let mozilla/firebird/galeon complete the form, if i try to input the stuff manually the pass is rejected. the same happens with sylpheed-claws when accessing the accounts i have created with a web interface. where should i start looking for the solution? |
| 20:35.54 | Wyzard | vchrizz_: 404 error |
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| 20:36.08 | Turjakas | nice.. there is no apt-get on netinst cd .. |
| 20:36.11 | foobus | delirium, alias ls='ls -F' |
| 20:36.13 | Eulex | Wyzard, are there free java runtimes that can run azereus? |
| 20:36.26 | ettercap | Eulex: The official JRE is free |
| 20:36.33 | ettercap | Eulex: And there are a few open source implementations |
| 20:36.38 | Eulex | ettercap, not free as in free |
| 20:36.46 | Wyzard | Eulex: Probably -- I've heard of people running Eclipse on a free JRE, though I don't know which one -- but I use Sun Java |
| 20:36.47 | ettercap | Eulex: Yeah, then get Blackdown or another one like that |
| 20:36.59 | Wyzard | ettercap: Sun Java is free, but not Free |
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| 20:37.06 | ettercap | Yeah, but Blackdown is |
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| 20:37.31 | Wyzard | Isn't Blackdown just a port of Sun Java to some additional platforms? |
| 20:37.32 | delirium | thx foobus, not quite what I wanted but I guess it will have to do |
| 20:37.36 | Eulex | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch5.html#s-license-concerns |
| 20:37.36 | Gokee2 | Anyone know the filesistem of a dvd for the mount command? Thanks :) |
| 20:37.42 | delirium | just seems stupid they made it that way |
| 20:37.43 | p8m | Blackdown isn't free. |
| 20:37.44 | Wyzard | It's still based on Sun's code and has Sun's licensing restrictions |
| 20:37.56 | delirium | have noboy ever been bothered by that ? |
| 20:38.05 | Eulex | Gokee2, I'd guess iso9660 |
| 20:38.09 | ettercap | Hmm, isn't GNU doing one then? |
| 20:38.17 | Gokee2 | Eulex, TY |
| 20:38.26 | Wyzard | ettercap: GNU Classpath is an implementation of the standard classes |
| 20:38.31 | ettercap | Eulex: Maybe Kaffee? |
| 20:38.43 | ettercap | Isn't Apache doing a full rewrite? |
| 20:38.55 | Wyzard | ettercap: That can be used with GIJ |
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| 20:39.28 | Wyzard | ettercap: There's also Kaffe, which is a free JRE with its own implementation of the standard classes, but right now they're working on merging the Kaffe classes with the Classpath ones |
| 20:39.30 | Eulex | ettercap, thanks |
| 20:39.38 | nvz | ettercap: depends on what filesystem (if any) is on the dvd |
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| 20:39.53 | ettercap | Eulex: No problem |
| 20:39.54 | Eulex | Wyzard & ettercap, would it run azereus? |
| 20:40.09 | ettercap | Eulex: No idea, why are you so against the Sun one? |
| 20:40.21 | ettercap | Eulex: They don't want to open source it because it would fork off and have features they don't want |
| 20:40.23 | kwyjibo | i cannot see in "man interfaces" where primary and secondary DNS are to be specified. suggestions? |
| 20:40.39 | Wyzard | Eulex: I've heard of Eclipse being run on Kaffe, and I would guess that if Eclipse can run, Azureus should too, but I have no firsthand experience in the matter |
| 20:40.49 | Eulex | Wyzard, ok |
| 20:40.58 | Wyzard | kwyjibo: DNS info goes in /etc/resolv.conf, not your interfaces file |
| 20:41.17 | kwyjibo | kthx |
| 20:41.36 | Eulex | ettercap, read section 5.3.1.2 in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch5.html#s-license-concerns |
| 20:41.40 | Wyzard | kwyjibo: If you're using DHCP, your DHCP client creates resolv.conf automatically using information from the DHCP lease... dial-up PPP does something similar... if you're just using static IPs, you write resolv.conf by hand |
| 20:41.50 | ettercap | Eulex: Will do, give me a sec |
| 20:41.53 | nvz | kwyjibo: thats because it goes in /etc/resolv.conf not interfaes |
| 20:41.53 | kwyjibo | i am not using dhcp |
| 20:41.59 | mike__ | I'm considering setting up a local repository for sarge. I've read the HOWTOs and the Roberto Sanchez HOWTO. Does anyone know of any other references? |
| 20:41.59 | p8m | ettercap: That's a riduculous argument, there are free implementations of other languages, like c, python, ruby, perl, etc and they don't have incompatable forks. |
| 20:42.30 | p8m | ettercap: Sun won't release the source under a free license because they want control to take their ball and go home. |
| 20:42.52 | ettercap | p8m: Exactly, they don't want it to fork, they want to control it to one version onl |
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| 20:43.31 | Eulex | p8m & ettercap: they go even further, they don't want you to even be able to make your own implementation |
| 20:44.08 | ettercap | Eulex: That document seems a bit out of date, since they are talking about 1.2 |
| 20:44.17 | ettercap | Eulex: Is that still all true though? |
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| 20:44.20 | Eulex | p8m & ettercap: if you agree to their license, and you make an implementation of the new things in the java 1.2 api, sun will own your code |
| 20:44.29 | Eulex | ettercap, I think so |
| 20:44.46 | ettercap | Eulex: A lot has changed since 1.2, I don't know if that is still fact |
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| 20:45.39 | kwyjibo | :S |
| 20:45.53 | kwyjibo | how do i restart networking after changing a setting |
| 20:46.11 | nvz | kwyjibo: man ifupdown |
| 20:46.17 | kwyjibo | k |
| 20:46.18 | nvz | or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:46.24 | Eulex | ettercap: yeah. I dunno. |
| 20:46.38 | kwyjibo | no entry found for ifupdown |
| 20:46.39 | ettercap | Eulex: Ah, here is what I meant about Apache redoing Java: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200505.mbox/%3CCA4BEB82-3D84-457D-9531-1477DD749919@apache.org%3E |
| 20:46.40 | kwyjibo | o.o |
| 20:46.53 | nvz | or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:47.06 | ettercap | Eulex: That is still a proposal, but at least the thought is there |
| 20:47.28 | kwyjibo | huzzah |
| 20:47.32 | kwyjibo | thx <3 x 10000 |
| 20:47.33 | x^equa|s1 | anyone know of a good Howto for user-mode-linux for debian? |
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| 20:47.38 | Eulex | ettercap, cool |
| 20:48.49 | nvz | -!- nvz [~nvz@c-24-3-200-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (excess thanks)] |
| 20:49.29 | delirium | how do I get a module that you normally start with modprobe to start at boot ? |
| 20:49.40 | gravity | delirium: Add it to /etc/modules |
| 20:49.53 | Eulex | misfit: what are you sending me? |
| 20:50.12 | foobus | a trojan |
| 20:50.14 | ethics | !tell x^equa|s1 about uml |
| 20:50.28 | Eulex | anyway, I'll receive it and see what it is... |
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| 20:51.20 | Eulex | hmm, dcc doesn't seem to be set up correctly... *cancelled* |
| 20:51.28 | kl1 | hi any one knows how to turn on a pc pressing tab? and not the power button? |
| 20:51.35 | delirium | gravity : I had hoped the ipw2200 module would be in there as well, you see, I want to start the kill swith module to unlock my wireless card first and then let the ipw2200 module load, but that one is automatically booted, but it is not in /etc/modules |
| 20:51.44 | Eulex | misfit was asking how to see if xorg was running... I gave hime th answer... run top |
| 20:51.49 | ettercap | kl1: You would need to modify the hardware |
| 20:52.08 | kl1 | ettercap how is that? dificult? |
| 20:52.15 | deadcat | what else do i need to get grsecurity working? the patch and gradm as well? |
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| 20:52.28 | delirium | where can I find where the ipw2200 module is configured to load at boot ? |
| 20:52.39 | ettercap | kl1: I would imagine it would be difficult, I'm just saying you couldn't do it through software since the computer isn |
| 20:52.47 | ettercap | kl1: 't even on yet |
| 20:52.48 | Eulex | delirium, eh? /etc/modules? |
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| 20:53.08 | jsn | The dump manpage is insufficient. Is there a "dump for dum-dum would-be dumpers" around? |
| 20:53.14 | kl1 | ettercap i sow one guy he has the pc like that |
| 20:53.15 | nvz | delirium: either by /etc/init.d/modutils script or by hotplug or discover if you have them installed |
| 20:53.20 | jsn | I mean, I know I'm a smart person, but sometimes I can be very braindead. |
| 20:53.28 | Eulex | jsn: maybe there's an info page, or online docs |
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| 20:54.10 | jsn | Eulex: The info is the man page, I'm afraid. Not very helpful. |
| 20:54.25 | foobus | ugh |
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| 20:55.28 | will | having a dpkg problem. the error is "subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1" I checked the postrm file it it seems to be the ucf stuff that it's causing the problem. Anyone have any insign in this area. |
| 20:55.50 | delirium | nzv : how does the modutils script work ? it doesn't do anything, where I can what modules hotplug loads ? is it /etc/modules ? |
| 20:56.01 | froze | Pleasehelp: trying to get exim4 to AUTH with tls/ssl for *, but only allows connections to port 25 from dc_relay_nets, is this correct? |
| 20:56.15 | delirium | nzv : how does the modutils script work ? it doesn't do anything, where I can see what modules hotplug loads ? is it /etc/modules ? |
| 20:56.39 | will | this problem only shows itself if I do a purge |
| 20:57.05 | Eulex | delirium, hotplug and discover will load modules for what hardware it finds |
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| 20:57.12 | Eulex | delirium, what are you trying to do? |
| 20:57.41 | jsn | Eulex: Perhaps you can help? I have a two-volume dump (each is filling up most of a partition). Do I make them both into .iso files, and then write them to DVD, or is there a right way? |
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| 20:58.01 | reuben | can you install debian to a FAT32 partition? |
| 20:58.04 | Eulex | jsn: dump? |
| 20:58.08 | Eulex | reuben: no |
| 20:58.29 | reuben | Eulex: is it conceivably possible? |
| 20:58.32 | jsn | Eulex: /sbin/dump, yes. |
| 20:58.36 | Eulex | reuben, well theoretically you could, but you would not want to do it |
| 20:58.52 | reuben | why not eulex? |
| 20:58.56 | will | reuben, fat32 doesn't understand permissions and whatnot... that's why MS is moving away from it |
| 20:58.59 | ethics | reuben, no permissions on fat32 i dont think so it would be weird |
| 20:59.08 | reuben | ah, what about ntfs? |
| 20:59.10 | Eulex | reuben, fat32 doesn't support permissions, that means security will be piped to /dev/null |
| 20:59.22 | will | reuben, linux doesn't write well to ntfs |
| 20:59.34 | ethics | reuben, ntfs is unwriteable on linux really |
| 20:59.45 | delirium | Eulex : when loading my wireless card, it first has to unlock (kill-switch), I want to load that module at startup. The drivers for the card (ipw2200) are already booted at startup (somehow). It is crucial that the kill switch modules get loaded before the ipw2200, so I thought I try to find where ipw2200 is configured to boot so I can put the kill-switch module first |
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| 20:59.49 | reuben | is there any way that i could view a linux partition from windows then? |
| 20:59.52 | Eulex | ethics, it's writable, but it's not safe |
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| 20:59.59 | will | ethics, well there is captive, but it kinda sucks |
| 21:00.08 | ethics | reuben, you can of course have a partition you share between 2 os's tho or samba |
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| 21:00.18 | Eulex | reuben: there is, but I do not remember the name of the app. google for it |
| 21:00.26 | will | reuben, yes there is a ext viewer for windows |
| 21:00.36 | will | reuben, extexplorer |
| 21:00.43 | ethics | i think the definition of writing is that it has to be readable else its garbage... |
| 21:00.44 | delirium | Eulex : the ipw2200 module is not located in /etc/modules |
| 21:00.48 | foobus | reuben, just make a small partition vfat that both can write to. |
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| 21:01.06 | will | reuben, or something |
| 21:01.22 | Eulex | delirium, hmm.. ipw2200 should not be loaded if you don't load it yourself or put it in /etc/modules |
| 21:01.29 | ethics | will nemo? i know it did novell stuff |
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| 21:01.54 | Eulex | delirium, you could blacklist it to see if that helps... maybe hotplug or discover actually does load it |
| 21:02.03 | Eulex | !tell delirium about blacklist |
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| 21:02.07 | delirium | Eulex : I installed it with module-assistent, I think that did it |
| 21:02.31 | Eulex | delirium: hmm... I dunno about module-assistant, never used it |
| 21:02.54 | Eulex | delirium: can you see it being loaded in your dmesg? |
| 21:03.17 | Eulex | delirium: and blacklist it nevertheless, you can never be too sure... |
| 21:04.13 | will | reuben, Explore2fs |
| 21:04.36 | delirium | Eulex : doesn't appear to be in dmesg |
| 21:04.48 | deadcat | holy mother-fucking god. i was just watching toy story2 and noticed buzlightyear's chin has a debian swirl inside-out. |
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| 21:05.28 | will | reuben, that will allow you to read the stuff from ext2 or 3 files, but not write. I've heard there were others that intergrated into explorer |
| 21:05.34 | delirium | Eulex : /etc/hotplug/blacklist show the modules NOT to load, where can I see the ones that are loaded ? is /etc/modules the only file or can it be loaded in another file ? |
| 21:05.35 | Eulex | delirium: then how does it get loaded? on my system it spits out 4 lines of info upon load |
| 21:05.45 | Eulex | deadcat, interesting |
| 21:06.02 | Eulex | delirium, it loads the modules of the hardware it finds |
| 21:06.08 | deadcat | Eulex: ya. well. back to the movie (= |
| 21:06.14 | ethics | delirium, modconf? |
| 21:07.07 | delirium | Eulex : was to fast, it is in dmesg |
| 21:07.14 | will | having a problem purging/upgrading a packages. problem seems to be in ucf. anyone clued into this stuff? |
| 21:07.19 | reuben | i hate the ipw2200 driver |
| 21:07.23 | delirium | Eulex : ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On: |
| 21:07.38 | delirium | Eulex : ill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work. |
| 21:07.38 | gravity_ | will: What's the error? If it's big, please put it in a pastebin |
| 21:07.52 | will | subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 21:08.14 | will | cammand was dpkg --force-all --purge apache |
| 21:08.18 | will | command even |
| 21:08.36 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Im going out to one of my homeboys houses right now... then Im going to Costco with my dad... you down to roll over after? |
| 21:08.39 | gravity_ | --force-all is bad juju |
| 21:08.41 | gravity_ | Very bad idea |
| 21:09.07 | Eulex | delirium, nothing more? nothing about the ipw2200 driver loading? |
| 21:09.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: also hit me up if you realize you need anything from costco... also I might make a run to compusa or something... whatever is on the way to buy a Wireless USB Adaptor |
| 21:09.30 | will | gravity, last attempt bofore bothering anyone here... at first I didn't run it with the force option |
| 21:09.42 | gravity_ | will: Why did you decide to? |
| 21:09.50 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: well whatever... call me if you need something.. will hit you up later.. |
| 21:09.52 | delirium | Eulex, yes, there is those 4 lines, but it doesn't give any details about how it is loaded |
| 21:09.55 | gravity_ | will: You really shouldn't run with a --force switch unless you *really* know what you're doing |
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| 21:10.37 | delirium | Eulex : I want to know how the system know that it has to load the ipw2200 module, it must be listed somewhere, it doesn't just load it out of thin air right ? |
| 21:10.49 | Eulex | delirium, in which order are they loaded? also, look for "detecting hardware" or hotplug or discover above the output of each of them |
| 21:11.00 | will | gravity_, well... I keep that in mind, but it was a last ditch effort. so what does it mean if you get that error without running it with force |
| 21:11.20 | gravity_ | will: It could be a package bug. Try using aptitude to remove it |
| 21:11.22 | Eulex | delirium, I have no idea. I have never used module-assistant. I compile myself and install myself |
| 21:11.26 | delirium | Eulex : hotplug and discover don't output anything |
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| 21:11.27 | wayne_ | anyone know about wine and opengl and nvidia ?? |
| 21:12.02 | delirium | Eulex : ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.0.4 |
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| 21:12.18 | delirium | Eulex : ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2004 Intel Corporation |
| 21:12.34 | delirium | Eulex : ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection |
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| 21:14.19 | Eulex | delirium, that's not of interest, I just wanted to know that it really was loading. so, in which order do they come? |
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| 21:14.33 | wendell_iii | hey all |
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| 21:14.55 | wendell_iii | Is there any kind of console app for displaying local weather conditions? |
| 21:15.03 | Eulex | ...740 people echoing "hi!" back at wendell_iii... |
| 21:15.12 | britt | what config utility do i run to get the script "startx" to work |
| 21:15.13 | britt | ? |
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| 21:15.28 | britt | I have enlightenment, fluxbox, and server stuff.... |
| 21:15.28 | Eulex | britt, what doesn't work? |
| 21:15.42 | will | gravity, same error message |
| 21:15.51 | britt | i type in startx and it's apparently not existant |
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| 21:16.03 | gravity | will: Are there any errors above it that are more explicit? Why did you say it's a ucf problem? |
| 21:16.06 | Eulex | britt, you need x-window-system |
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| 21:16.35 | carcrashnights | When I click a link in mozilla-thunderbird it opens up in konqueror. I already set my BROWSER environment variable to /usr/bin/firefox |
| 21:16.42 | carcrashnights | Has anyone seen this same problem? |
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| 21:17.09 | will | gravity, I looked at the postrm script and droped in echo after each command until I fond the spot where it didn;t wrok anymore |
| 21:17.36 | delirium | Eulex : you mean in what order but modules come ? I don't know, I haven't configured the kill-swith to load automatically yet, I don't know if it is going to load before or after the ipw2200 |
| 21:17.57 | gravity | will: Ok, I'd send a bug report to the package. |
| 21:18.02 | Eulex | carcrashnights, update-alternatives |
| 21:18.08 | gravity | will: It doesn't sound like its anything you did |
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| 21:18.30 | britt | is this just something i forgot to do , like run some other program |
| 21:18.38 | will | gravity, well happen during an upgrade from woody to sarge... I've done this upgrade on other machines without this happening |
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| 21:18.42 | Eulex | delirium, then just make it load after ipw2200... make a script that starts just before X starts |
| 21:18.55 | JohnFlux | after i've installed colorgcc, how do I get make to use it? :) |
| 21:19.05 | Eulex | britt, did you listen to me? |
| 21:19.10 | delirium | Eulex : I think the kill-swith has to be loaded before the ipw2200 |
| 21:19.12 | britt | yeah sorry just saw it |
| 21:19.18 | britt | i'll apt-get it now |
| 21:19.19 | Eulex | delirium, oh |
| 21:19.24 | gravity | will: Did you upgrade following the release notes? There are a few gotchas |
| 21:19.25 | JohnFlux | do I have to reconfigure some package to use colorgcc? |
| 21:19.28 | will | gravity, I have to think there is something on this box |
| 21:19.33 | gravity | will: Just a straight upgrade using apt-get won't work |
| 21:19.34 | will | gravity, to the T |
| 21:19.38 | gravity | Ok |
| 21:19.43 | Eulex | delirium, try putting it in /etc/modules and see if it starts before ipw2200 |
| 21:19.50 | delirium | Eulex : I guess I have to try it, cause this way we're not getting anywhere |
| 21:20.00 | will | gravity, learned my lesson from the first box I upgraded |
| 21:20.15 | Eulex | delirium, also, you could make a script that rmmods ipw2200, does that kill switch thing and modprobes ipw2200 |
| 21:20.42 | will | gravity, I think they really should be putting the release name in the apt sources, not stable... but that another issue |
| 21:21.00 | ysothoth | Is there a package similar to 'tip' in debian? |
| 21:21.02 | gravity | will: You can't please everyone |
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| 21:21.12 | Eulex | ysothoth, what is 'tip'? |
| 21:21.12 | wendell_iii | So, no console tool to fetch local weather conditions? |
| 21:21.29 | delirium | Eulex : that's indeed a good idea, I'll try that if this doesn't work |
| 21:21.31 | ysothoth | Tip connects to seral ports... it's like a not fancy minicom |
| 21:21.32 | will | gravity, thanks for your help |
| 21:21.32 | delirium | Eulex : txh |
| 21:21.35 | Eulex | wendell_iii, we dunno, apt-cache search for it |
| 21:21.36 | delirium | Eulex : thanks |
| 21:21.39 | gravity | will: No problem. Good luck! |
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| 21:21.53 | ysothoth | For serial consoles and stuff like that |
| 21:22.00 | Eulex | ysothoth, apt-cache search serial port? |
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| 21:22.06 | ysothoth | yeah |
| 21:22.14 | deepan | i am not able to mount my cdrom .. in debian sarge.. "cannot mount block device /dev/hdd read-only" ... i am working by chroot.. will that cause a problem? |
| 21:22.28 | nikkia_ | can anyone help with a /etc/network/interfaces issue? using the dhcp method eth0 gets assigned a IPv6 link-local address from the MAC, but using the static method it does not, and I need it to |
| 21:23.02 | Eulex | deepan, yes, does the device exist? |
| 21:23.16 | Eulex | nikkia_, why do you need ipv6? |
| 21:23.23 | nikkia_ | eulex, because i do? |
| 21:23.27 | deepan | ya it is there in both in my current os and debian.. |
| 21:23.45 | deepan | Eulex: . my current OS is fedora .. and i chrooted into debian |
| 21:23.50 | Eulex | deepan, does it work outside the chroot? |
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| 21:24.09 | deepan | i will check Eulex |
| 21:24.35 | deepan | it works .. Eulex |
| 21:24.46 | jsn | Does anyone pipe the output of their /sbin/dump directly to DVD? |
| 21:25.11 | tabot1 | Let's say I have a "RewriteRule ^/(.*) /index.cgi", how could my "index.cgi" get the pre-rewritten url? (I know I can make it so it would redirect to index.cgi?site=whatever, but is there a way to not have it do that?) |
| 21:25.18 | Eulex | nikkia_, then assign an ipv6 address |
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| 21:25.41 | nikkia_ | eulex, it doesn't work, i have to do it manually with ifconfig after the system is up and running |
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| 21:26.02 | nikkia_ | Eulex: i've tried adding an inet6 stanza for eth0, and adding 'up' rules to ifconfig, nothing works |
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| 21:26.44 | ZeXr0 | wondering how can I get the list of every computer on the network using samba ? |
| 21:26.55 | Eulex | nikkia_, then I dunno |
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| 21:27.56 | Eulex | ZeXr0, smbtree? |
| 21:28.09 | ZeXr0 | ask me for a password :S |
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| 21:28.42 | ZeXr0 | which password is it supposed to be ? |
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| 21:29.22 | delirium | Eulex : thanks for all your help, the kill-switch does load before the ipw2200. Still have no frigging idea how the system knows it has to start the ipw2200 module, but that not important anymore |
| 21:29.22 | deepan | mount: cannot mount block device /dev/hdd read-only |
| 21:29.22 | deepan | .. what could be the problem? |
| 21:30.09 | Eulex | ZeXr0, samba password for the things you wanna access |
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| 21:30.17 | Eulex | ZeXr0, you can also do smbtree -N |
| 21:30.28 | jim | deepan: what's a /dev/hdd? |
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| 21:30.57 | jim | oh it |
| 21:31.01 | ricochet | question : How would I go about spinning harddrives down when they aren't in use? I have acpi installed... I have 3 harddrives and I dont mind 2 of them being spundown when not in use given some configurable delay. |
| 21:31.02 | jim | is your cdrom |
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| 21:31.21 | zakota | hi @all |
| 21:31.38 | zakota | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:31.42 | Eulex | delirium, you could try to blacklist it to see if either hotplug or discover is loading it... |
| 21:31.45 | jim | ricochet: well the problem in linux is it's unpredictable when your disk might be accesed |
| 21:31.46 | zakota | anyboby familiar with this thing ? |
| 21:31.53 | deepan | jim: .. its is my cdrom |
| 21:32.02 | shingouz | zakota: /msg dpkg ask |
| 21:32.04 | concept10 | ricochet, can you do that from your BIOS menu |
| 21:32.14 | jim | zakota: I might be any, but I'm not boby! |
| 21:32.32 | zakota | jim: mind pm ? |
| 21:32.36 | jim | zakota: for one thing, in the grub shell, the tab key is your friend |
| 21:32.41 | delirium | Eulex : I guess I could do that, but I have what I find so, there's really no point to it |
| 21:32.43 | shingouz | !tell zakota about ask |
| 21:32.44 | jim | yes I do, and thanks for asking |
| 21:32.47 | deepan | .../dev/hdd /media/cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 21:32.47 | deepan | is the fstab entry for cdrom |
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| 21:33.01 | delirium | Eulex : I guess I could do that, but I have what I needed, so there's really no point to it |
| 21:33.03 | shingouz | zakota: besides, read the /topic too while you are at it |
| 21:33.10 | Eulex | delirium, true |
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| 21:33.27 | shingouz | fsck, it is sunday |
| 21:33.41 | jim | zakota: but the thing is that the first thing I'm going to do is have you read some stuff first so that we see more eye to eye |
| 21:34.14 | jim | I think I'm listening to Pat Martino |
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| 21:34.23 | mjc | any ldap gurus aroudn? |
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| 21:34.45 | shingouz | mjc: how about /msg dpkg ask |
| 21:34.58 | jim | mjc: it's possible that if you just ask your question you might find help from someone who's not a guru |
| 21:35.16 | jim | gurus are a bit rare, but people can become them by learning to grok |
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| 21:35.27 | mjc | jim: indeed =P |
| 21:35.39 | zakota | jim, ok, well what im trying to do here is i try to remotely install a new debian in a new partiton onto a box that already has debian + installed grub. everything worked out fine so far (debootstrap) unti i got to point of the boot-loader |
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| 21:36.10 | mjc | am using ldap auth but I'd like to get rid of it and go back to /etc/{passwd,shadow,group} |
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| 21:36.23 | zakota | i seems not to be able to install new images + new loader to my 'new' debian partition |
| 21:36.41 | jim | zakota: remotely?? ugh... you want to step lightly and be careful, and not trap yourself into nonbootability |
| 21:36.57 | zakota | thats the point |
| 21:37.01 | zakota | the box im working on |
| 21:37.07 | zakota | is 800miles away from me |
| 21:37.10 | zakota | erm |
| 21:37.11 | jim | why do you want to install a new debian? |
| 21:37.12 | zakota | 8000 |
| 21:37.24 | zakota | i need to re-partition the box |
| 21:37.26 | jim | what's the point? |
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| 21:37.51 | zakota | so i bootstrapped a new debian into the turned-off swap-area |
| 21:38.09 | jim | that's not going to be easy remotely... I can't myself help you now, but I can tell you a few things |
| 21:38.23 | jim | one, you'll like the tab key while in the grub shell |
| 21:38.24 | zakota | well |
| 21:38.36 | zakota | i tried to override the existing grub with lilo |
| 21:38.45 | zakota | but it wont overwrite |
| 21:38.47 | zakota | ;( |
| 21:38.48 | jim | two, you want to become FAMILIAR with grub, preferably locally |
| 21:39.02 | jim | this means... |
| 21:39.06 | jim | man grub |
| 21:39.09 | jim | info grub |
| 21:39.31 | jim | go to the grub site, maybe they have a wiky |
| 21:39.44 | zakota | k |
| 21:39.49 | jim | wickey wouse |
| 21:39.54 | zakota | anywayz |
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| 21:40.07 | Eulex | zakota, why replace grub with lilo? |
| 21:40.11 | DotOrg | Hello... |
| 21:40.16 | zakota | brub-install hd0 |
| 21:40.22 | zakota | *grub-install hd0 |
| 21:40.27 | zakota | from chrooted env |
| 21:40.36 | zakota | seeems not to work |
| 21:40.45 | DotOrg | I perform a common security check with /usr/sbin/chkrootkit and i find this Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS: 600 31337) What does it means ? |
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| 21:41.13 | jim | if you proceed without becoming familiar with grub, you're -going- to make mistakes |
| 21:41.31 | jim | maybe not ones too destructive; best of luck there,,, |
| 21:41.38 | petemc | DotOrg: seems fairly unambiguous to me |
| 21:41.43 | zakota | im aware of this |
| 21:41.45 | jim | but your better option is to become familiar now |
| 21:41.50 | zakota | that's why im here ;) |
| 21:42.06 | Granden- | Anyone who can take a look at my error message and help me out it worked before to play the music but not now |
| 21:42.07 | Granden- | http://pastebin.com/306602 |
| 21:42.07 | nikkia_ | zakota, can you arrange for a machine to be connected to the target's COM port ? grub can be accessed via serial iirc |
| 21:42.37 | nikkia_ | when i used to remote-admin VAX machines, that's what we'd do to mess with the boot console |
| 21:43.16 | Xenguy | DotOrg: unfortunately chkrootkit will sometimes give false positives... |
| 21:43.17 | jim | ok, well zakota and all others who want to know grub at all or know it better, info grub now, and sift thru it |
| 21:43.40 | jim | if a buncha people do this now, you'll possibly be able to help each other :) |
| 21:43.45 | DotOrg | Xenguy thanks i think that it is false alert |
| 21:44.01 | DotOrg | but i want to hear your pro opinion |
| 21:44.06 | DotOrg | it is important for me |
| 21:44.14 | jim | I have a pro opinion! |
| 21:44.15 | Xenguy | DotOrg: I think yours is a known issue. Google for the error message. You probably want to get a 2nd opinion (e.g. rkhunter) |
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| 21:44.27 | jim | pros arrr gud! |
| 21:44.33 | Eulex | Granden-, run alsaconf |
| 21:44.49 | Granden- | command not found |
| 21:45.10 | ZeXr0 | i tried smbmount //zexr0-windows/E /mnt/share and it tells me that E no such files or directory |
| 21:45.16 | Eulex | Granden-, you're using OSS? do apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf |
| 21:45.18 | GlenneMannen | I have problems when I want to run for example an eggdrop... it starts 3 pids. sambas daemons nmbd & smbd starts 2 times each is this as it should be? |
| 21:45.27 | Granden- | I am using alsa |
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| 21:45.41 | Eulex | Granden-, then I think you need to be root |
| 21:45.51 | DotOrg | Xenguy how i can see what kind ot daemon or program is listening on port 600 and 31337 |
| 21:45.52 | Ack1 | what is the service called NIS?? |
| 21:46.03 | jim | ZeXr0: try to list the shares in //zexr0-windows/ |
| 21:46.10 | Xenguy | DotOrg: netstat -an |gre ____ |
| 21:46.13 | nikkia_ | can anyone help with a /etc/network/interfaces issue? using the dhcp method eth0 gets assigned a IPv6 link-local address from the MAC, but using the static method it does not, and I need it to |
| 21:46.14 | jim | Network Information Services |
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| 21:46.19 | Xenguy | DotOrg: er, grep |
| 21:46.19 | ZeXr0 | done, and E is listed (as a DiSK) |
| 21:46.25 | Granden- | it says it found 2 audio card |
| 21:46.30 | Eulex | !tell nikkia_ about repeat |
| 21:46.30 | Granden- | but I am certain I only got one |
| 21:46.32 | Ack1 | ty |
| 21:46.35 | jim | ok, try E and try e |
| 21:46.36 | Eulex | Granden-, which ones? |
| 21:46.47 | Granden- | via82xx and legacy |
| 21:47.03 | nikkia_ | eulex, so what am i supposed to do? just give up ? |
| 21:47.17 | ZeXr0 | failed to find the real path for mount point zexr0-windows/e: no such files or directory |
| 21:47.20 | nikkia_ | eulex, i waited 30 minutes, isn't that long enough? dozens of people have come and gone since i asked |
| 21:47.24 | Eulex | Granden-, legcy means that you will continue to probe for isa cards... choose your via82xx |
| 21:47.31 | Granden- | ok |
| 21:47.54 | jim | nikkia_: just about anything in linux takes time to learn... you could backpaddle now to focus more time on learning whatever basics you need to understand your current situation |
| 21:48.06 | nikkia_ | jim, erm, i've been using linux since 1992, thanks |
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| 21:48.27 | jim | nikkia_: then you've answered your own question :P |
| 21:48.55 | Granden- | still not working and I folled that thing |
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| 21:48.57 | jim | you understand the deal well :P why try to put your motivations on someone else? |
| 21:49.15 | nikkia_ | jim, and yes, i've dived the dhcp source to see if i could find where the link-local address is set, my conclusion was 'not in dhclient' |
| 21:49.23 | Eulex | Granden-, still getting the same error? |
| 21:49.27 | Granden- | yupe |
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| 21:50.06 | Eulex | Granden-, are you running something like artsd or esd? |
| 21:50.13 | jim | nikkia_: you hip to /etc/network/interfaces? (man 5 interfaces, there's an example somewhere) |
| 21:50.22 | nikkia_ | jim, there's nothing about this in there |
| 21:50.35 | nikkia_ | jim, i've read it about 20 times trying to see if i've missed something, but i can't find it |
| 21:50.44 | Granden- | a sound mixer you mean |
| 21:50.56 | Granden- | ? |
| 21:50.57 | Eulex | Granden-, no, a sound mixing daemon |
| 21:51.25 | Granden- | I think so cause before I could play two different songs at the same time and hear both |
| 21:51.33 | jim | nikkia_: it could possibly be that some of your tools are ipv6 aware and some not? |
| 21:51.37 | Eulex | Granden-, in what program? |
| 21:51.43 | Granden- | but I dont know which one guess its a alsa one if they ahev any |
| 21:52.03 | nikkia_ | jim, no, they all are, and if i 'ifconfig eth0 add <link local address>' *after* the system is booted, it works fine |
| 21:52.18 | jim | after the system is booted |
| 21:52.19 | nikkia_ | jim, but oddly, 'up ifconfig eth0 add <link local address>' in interfaces doesn't work |
| 21:52.36 | jim | a module isn't loaded by the time interfaces is read/ |
| 21:52.37 | jim | ? |
| 21:52.42 | Granden- | Eulex, can I check which sound mixing daemon I have |
| 21:52.47 | nikkia_ | jim, no, it gets assigned another IPv6 address, just fine |
| 21:52.54 | nikkia_ | IPv6 *is* working when eth0 is brought up |
| 21:52.57 | jim | I know, these seem obvious |
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| 21:53.07 | nikkia_ | it just won't assign eth0 a link local address - and thus radvd won't start |
| 21:53.13 | Eulex | Granden-, ps -eo "%c" and grep for artsd and esd |
| 21:53.28 | nikkia_ | jim, the only thing i can think.... is that the up ifconfig ... line *works* but ifup is clearing the link local address |
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| 21:54.19 | jim | nikkia_: anything's possible; I'm not experienced enough with ipv6 to speculate on why |
| 21:54.24 | nikkia_ | jim, which would suggest that ifup perhaps sets the link-local address from some hidden parameter |
| 21:54.50 | jim | ifup eth0 reads the eth0 stanza from interfaces |
| 21:54.56 | nikkia_ | jim, yes, i know that |
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| 21:55.21 | nikkia_ | jim, but clearly something different happens with a 'dhcp' stanza from a 'static' stanza |
| 21:55.37 | Granden- | the most likley I have is atd |
| 21:55.38 | nikkia_ | jim, as dhcp stanzas get a link local address assigned - and there is nothing in dhclient's code that assigns one |
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| 21:55.45 | Granden- | I dont have anyone of those you mentioned |
| 21:55.53 | user_ | does anoybody here know how to add more anchors in dia? |
| 21:55.59 | GlenneMannen | I have problems with my debian some programs starts more pid's than they should.. what can be the error? |
| 21:56.17 | jim | nikkia_: this probably isn't the only way to find out... but it's a way... take a look at the relevent source? |
| 21:56.21 | nikkia_ | jim, a static stanza doesn't get one, no matter what i've tried, which might suggest a hidden parameter available in the stanza to set a link-local that is defaulting to 'nothing' and ifup is clearing the link-local |
| 21:56.35 | nikkia_ | jim, i'm looking at the ifupdown sources, but still can't see anything obvious :/ |
| 21:56.45 | Granden- | Eulex, I dont have neither one of those 2 |
| 21:56.57 | Eulex | Granden-, I dunno |
| 21:57.10 | jim | ok, then the difference could be ifup's behavior versus your dhcp client's behavior |
| 21:57.12 | Granden- | maybe I shall try to apt-get one |
| 21:57.15 | Eulex | Granden-, maybe you could do lsof on /dev/audio and /dev/dsp? |
| 21:57.27 | Granden- | what dont udnerstand |
| 21:57.38 | nikkia_ | jim, as i said, nothing in dhclient's source seems to set a link-local, and running dhclient manually doesn't either |
| 21:57.47 | nikkia_ | jim, but if i use a dhcp stanza, it *does* get set |
| 21:57.50 | Eulex | Granden-, no you shouldn't apt-get one |
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| 21:58.28 | Granden- | Eulex, maybe you could do lsof on /dev/audio and /dev/dsp? what you mena with that? |
| 21:58.40 | Eulex | Granden-, /dev/audio is the alsa device file. /dev/dsp is the oss device file. lsof shows what files are open. does that ring a bell? |
| 21:58.42 | jim | one evilly hacky hack would be to have your dhcp server listen for the mac address and hand it the one address you want for it |
| 21:59.03 | nikkia_ | jim, the dhcp server is in a proprietary router :/ |
| 21:59.14 | Granden- | Eulex, nope |
| 21:59.14 | foobus | Why don't I get a /dev/audio and friends? I have a /dev/snd/* for snd-intel8x0, but it doesn't get configured |
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| 21:59.30 | Eulex | Granden-, that will check what programs are using oss and alsa |
| 21:59.39 | nikkia_ | jim, and i don't believe that the dhcp server is handing back a link-local address, as the router knows nothing about IPv6 |
| 21:59.40 | jim | nikkia_: then run another one that just responds to your mac |
| 21:59.46 | Granden- | isof /dev/audio gave command not found |
| 21:59.57 | foobus | lsof |
| 21:59.58 | vchrizz_ | Wyzard: http://www.onetrix.net/vpn.jpg lol :P |
| 22:00.00 | Eulex | Granden-, you can also check several programs to see if any of them work |
| 22:00.08 | jim | nikkia_: so that idea won't fly |
| 22:00.28 | Granden- | but isof didnt work |
| 22:00.49 | nikkia_ | jim, i honestly think the link-local is getting generated somewhere in the boot sequence |
| 22:00.59 | foobus | are you using a wierd font? ell ess ooh efff |
| 22:01.05 | nikkia_ | jim, ie, within ifup, most likely |
| 22:01.11 | Eulex | Granden-, it was lsof... anyway, I tested it myself, and it didn't work |
| 22:01.18 | jim | nikkia_: but only when your interfaces file says dhcp? |
| 22:01.18 | Eulex | for some reason |
| 22:01.37 | nikkia_ | jim, yes |
| 22:01.48 | foobus | give it a full path (are you not root?) it's in /sbin I think |
| 22:01.56 | jim | or you're suggesting it's overwriting a previously established situation |
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| 22:02.20 | jim | are we not root? we are unix |
| 22:02.26 | foobus | :) |
| 22:02.29 | nikkia_ | jim, well, putting the ifconfig to add the address in an 'up' rule doesn't result in the link-local getting set... |
| 22:02.52 | nikkia_ | jim, so given that i get no error logged for that up rule, yes, it might be overriding that rule somewhere in the ifup process |
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| 22:03.36 | foobus | mircus? scandalini? |
| 22:03.40 | Granden- | Eulex, anything more I can try I really want to get back my sound |
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| 22:03.54 | ZeXr0 | anyone got and idea for a dvd player for kde ? |
| 22:04.02 | nikkia_ | jim, its a mystery, isn't it? been baffling me for about 2 months now |
| 22:04.07 | Mirkus | ciao |
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| 22:05.21 | Mirkus | c'è qualcuno esperto? |
| 22:05.31 | Eulex | Granden-, you could try to reboot and see if that fixes anything |
| 22:05.36 | foobus | !it |
| 22:05.37 | dpkg | i guess italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 22:05.49 | Granden- | I have reboot |
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| 22:06.04 | Eulex | Granden-, try running alsaconf again |
| 22:06.11 | Eulex | if it doesn't work |
| 22:06.12 | lixar | hi, is there something called dos2unix for debian? |
| 22:06.17 | lixar | i can't seem to find it |
| 22:06.41 | streuner | !dos2unix |
| 22:06.41 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
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| 22:06.50 | lixar | oh, hmm |
| 22:06.56 | Granden- | didnt help |
| 22:07.03 | Granden- | cant I install libao driver anyway? |
| 22:07.07 | Mirkus | io non parlo bene l'inglese |
| 22:07.10 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 22:07.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 22:07.19 | Eulex | Granden-, libao has nothing to do with it |
| 22:07.36 | Granden- | but it complains it couldnt find suitable libao driver |
| 22:07.56 | Eulex | Granden-, libao complains that it can't use oss, alsa, or anything else |
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| 22:08.24 | Eulex | Granden-, have you tried anything else than mpg321? |
| 22:08.25 | Granden- | Can't find a suitable libao driver. |
| 22:08.30 | Granden- | nope |
| 22:08.36 | Eulex | Granden-, do that |
| 22:08.37 | lixar | ah thanks |
| 22:08.59 | Eulex | Granden-, xmms, totem, rhythmbox etc |
| 22:09.08 | Glanzmann | mplayer |
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| 22:09.25 | Eulex | Glanzmann, yeah, that too, but it's not part of debian |
| 22:09.36 | Glanzmann | So what. |
| 22:09.44 | Glanzmann | It is still the best tool for the job. |
| 22:10.00 | Eulex | Glanzmann, he will probably not have it... and yes, it's one very good app I use daily |
| 22:10.06 | Ack1 | i have a firewired cdrom. my linux has always found it before, but now it doesnt anymore., can i locate it somehow? |
| 22:10.13 | Glanzmann | deb http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/debian ./ |
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| 22:10.21 | Glanzmann | apt-get update; apt-get install mplayer |
| 22:10.31 | Glanzmann | This is porno mplayer. |
| 22:10.46 | Eulex | Ack1, have you done anything special to your system? can you find anything in dmesg about it? |
| 22:10.55 | Ack1 | i will look |
| 22:11.17 | Ack1 | ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023 |
| 22:11.17 | Ack1 | ieee1394: Node suspended: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[0010100305000000] |
| 22:11.21 | liquid_ | is there a deb for this: http://turck-mmcache.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:11.21 | liquid_ | ? |
| 22:11.45 | Eulex | anyway, anyone know of a good linux floppy that has lspci? |
| 22:12.09 | Glanzmann | Eulex: Nope. I guess knoppix isn't an option? |
| 22:12.25 | Glanzmann | Eulex: Just compile lspic static and throw it on? |
| 22:12.41 | Granden- | Eulex, mplayer did start the playback |
| 22:12.44 | Eulex | Glanzmann, no, we're talking about a system that can't boot from cd... and it haven't got linux yet... |
| 22:12.49 | Granden- | but no sound is coming out through my speakers |
| 22:13.11 | Eulex | Granden-, check your mixer settings |
| 22:13.23 | Granden- | I raised everything to max |
| 22:13.24 | Granden- | and on |
| 22:13.26 | Glanzmann | Granden-: what does cat /bin/ls > /dev/audio |
| 22:13.28 | Granden- | still no sound |
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| 22:14.18 | Glanzmann | Granden-: Does your user account have permissions to access the audio devices? |
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| 22:15.06 | Granden- | Glanzmann, no text output just some very enoying noice in my speakers |
| 22:15.17 | Glanzmann | That is good. |
| 22:15.32 | Glanzmann | ;-) |
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| 22:15.34 | Granden- | its good no its not I cant hear anymore I had the volume on max |
| 22:15.37 | Granden- | :P |
| 22:15.39 | user_ | does anoybody here know how to add more anchors in dia? |
| 22:15.49 | Granden- | hehe |
| 22:16.03 | Glanzmann | Try my mplayer eventually. |
| 22:16.14 | Granden- | what? |
| 22:16.17 | Glanzmann | Otherwise look at the output of your mplayer. |
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| 22:16.32 | Eulex | hehe, yes, noise is what you get when you send machine code into your sound card :) |
| 22:16.40 | liquid_ | is there a deb for this: http://turck-mmcache.sourceforge.net/ can't really find it using apt-cache |
| 22:17.07 | Eulex | Granden-, have you checked the pcm volume, and not just master? |
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| 22:17.30 | Granden- | pcm is on max and on |
| 22:17.33 | Glanzmann | liquid_: Try to ask it a third time, maybe somone overread your question. |
| 22:17.44 | Granden- | Glanzmann, output of my mplayer what you mean |
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| 22:17.59 | Glanzmann | Eulex: We just checked it, yes. |
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| 22:18.24 | Eulex | Granden-, text output... |
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| 22:18.29 | Eulex | I think |
| 22:18.34 | Granden- | where? |
| 22:18.38 | Granden- | I dont fidn any log for it |
| 22:18.44 | GlenneMannen | pls help me soemthing is wrong on my debiansystem the ps aux displays many pids for things that shouldn't use more than one. |
| 22:19.06 | Eulex | Granden-, fire up a console and play something with mplayer |
| 22:19.18 | Eulex | that will get you test written in the console |
| 22:19.20 | trave11er | liquid_: it is available in unstable |
| 22:19.29 | liquid_ | hmm |
| 22:19.36 | liquid_ | trave11er can I use it on sarge? |
| 22:19.38 | Granden- | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Permission denied |
| 22:19.38 | Granden- | AO: [null] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bps) |
| 22:19.41 | liquid_ | Glanzmann sorry |
| 22:19.45 | Eulex | liquid_, probably |
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| 22:19.48 | Granden- | could it be that? |
| 22:19.51 | cmatheson | anyone in here using xawtv? |
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| 22:19.53 | Nenillo | hi |
| 22:19.58 | deadcat | cmatheson: try tvtime |
| 22:20.04 | liquid_ | where can I download unstable debs? |
| 22:20.07 | cmatheson | deadcat: oh ok |
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| 22:20.08 | trave11er | liquid_: i don't know. if you can satisfy the dependencies by packages in sarge, possibly |
| 22:20.13 | Eulex | liquid_, packages.debian.org |
| 22:20.17 | liquid_ | thanks |
| 22:20.20 | Granden- | I found my problem |
| 22:20.25 | Granden- | but dunno how to fix it |
| 22:20.37 | Eulex | Granden-, what is it? |
| 22:20.40 | Nenillo | I have about 100 directories in the same level, how can I compress each one with tar cvzf? |
| 22:20.46 | Granden- | only root can play music hehe |
| 22:20.48 | cmatheson | deadcat: i don't know if that will fix my problem or not (i've tried using xawtv and mplayer)... but i only get a green screen (no picture) |
| 22:21.08 | Eulex | Granden-, you need to set the permissions on /dev/dsp and /dev/audio |
| 22:21.15 | Granden- | ok |
| 22:21.18 | deadcat | cmatheson: you just need to config it i guess. |
| 22:21.25 | Granden- | what shall I set it to? |
| 22:21.35 | Kvant | Granden-, or you need to add the group "audio" to your user |
| 22:21.41 | cmatheson | deadcat: what kind of config is involved? i'm downloading tvtime right now... is there some files i need to edit, or should it "just work"? |
| 22:21.47 | Granden- | I am in the audio group |
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| 22:22.00 | deadcat | cmatheson: what card you have? |
| 22:22.00 | Granden- | I think |
| 22:22.05 | Granden- | how did I check that |
| 22:22.10 | deadcat | cmatheson: and 2.6 right? |
| 22:22.11 | Granden- | I did it before but dont remember anymore |
| 22:22.12 | Kvant | Granden-, what does ls -ls /dev/dsp say? |
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| 22:22.27 | Granden- | 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2005-07-02 00:35 /dev/dsp -> dsp0 |
| 22:22.29 | deadcat | Granden-: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 22:22.42 | Kvant | hmm, Granden-, what does ls -lL /dev/dsp say? |
| 22:22.48 | R0ckET | hi |
| 22:23.08 | Eulex | anyway, I'm off from here... |
| 22:23.15 | deadcat | ciao |
| 22:23.24 | R0ckET | somebody use qemu? |
| 22:23.27 | Granden- | deadcat, it said permission denied and when I did su it worked |
| 22:23.29 | cmatheson | deadcat: i have some weird tv @nywhere card, but i think it's the saa7133 chipset (at least that's what it's getting loaded as). i am running the 2.6 kernel |
| 22:23.33 | Granden- | but when does it stop |
| 22:23.33 | deadcat | Roma_Loom: just ask |
| 22:23.47 | deadcat | Granden-: add yorself to the audio group then |
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| 22:24.07 | Granden- | how do I check which group Im in? |
| 22:24.12 | Kvant | Granden-, did you login and logout since you added audio? |
| 22:24.14 | Kvant | Granden-, id |
| 22:24.28 | deadcat | cmatheson: i dont know how that chipset work. i tried helping TwistedEmotions with that card and didnt work. luckily he also has a bt878 |
| 22:24.33 | Kvant | um, logout and login :) |
| 22:24.34 | Granden- | how do I check which group Im in |
| 22:24.40 | deadcat | Granden-: id, then adduser yournick audio |
| 22:24.42 | Kvant | Granden-, with the command "id" |
| 22:24.57 | deadcat | or just type groups |
| 22:25.06 | cmatheson | deadcat: he was having the same problems? |
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| 22:25.15 | cmatheson | deadcat: this tvtime looks pretty slick... how do i change the channel? |
| 22:25.16 | deadcat | cmatheson: ya. couldnt get the card to work. |
| 22:25.28 | Granden- | Im only member of granden and wheel |
| 22:25.30 | Fleck | !sex |
| 22:25.30 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 22:25.31 | deadcat | cmatheson: up/down arrow. click on it to config it. |
| 22:25.34 | Fleck | !nosex |
| 22:25.39 | Granden- | I was member of much more before |
| 22:25.42 | Granden- | I remember |
| 22:25.44 | Granden- | hmm |
| 22:25.48 | deadcat | Granden-: adduser granden audio |
| 22:25.49 | R0ckET | help me with qemu in network? |
| 22:26.06 | Kvant | Granden-, try "id <yourusername>" |
| 22:26.34 | deadcat | Granden-: you are not using debian then |
| 22:26.51 | Granden- | It worked Im in the group audio |
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| 22:26.56 | Granden- | but Im gonna try to play a file |
| 22:27.00 | Granden- | thats why I didnt wrote |
| 22:27.08 | MikkelK | Hi. Something is wrong with either my PHP or my MySQL. Have both installed, and they used to work fine, but now they don't (http://mikkelk.dk/egroupware/) phpinfo() here: http://mikkelk.dk Anyknow what i can do? |
| 22:27.22 | Kvant | Granden-, then you haven't logged out and in since you added audio? |
| 22:27.33 | Granden- | nope |
| 22:27.35 | Granden- | brb |
| 22:27.56 | cmatheson | deadcat: i have a big 2 in the upper left corner of the screen, but it doesn't seem to change. i'm using a little antenna thing to get my satelite picture from downstairs, but i think i have to be on channel 3 (i don't know to be honest) |
| 22:28.05 | nyterukh | lol |
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| 22:29.07 | Granden | its working now |
| 22:29.08 | deadcat | cmatheson: ah. try modprobe tuner type=2, remove the module and modprobe it again |
| 22:29.16 | Granden | Thanks everyone who helped me |
| 22:29.37 | cmatheson | cmatheson: cool, i'll try that |
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| 22:31.15 | cmatheson | deadcat: hmm, now it starts up and does the same thing, but i do get an error about no station list being found |
| 22:31.15 | deadcat | anyone have mod_rewrite examples? i cant figure how the f it works. |
| 22:31.46 | deadcat | cmatheson: no clue man. i only have a bt878 card. |
| 22:32.36 | cmatheson | deadcat: ok thanks, i'll go back to the f'ing manual (is there any more up to date documentation? it seems most of the stuff i'm reading is very old) |
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| 22:35.03 | transgress | anyone know of a way to webcam chat from linux to apple? |
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| 22:35.47 | Granden | fuck fuck fuck |
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| 22:35.58 | initech | FUCK |
| 22:36.04 | Granden | On my FAT32 Partition I did remove a small movie can I retrive it anyway? |
| 22:36.15 | tabot1 | language? |
| 22:36.25 | Granden | sorry |
| 22:36.30 | transgress | Granden: grab some forensic tools |
| 22:36.44 | transgress | computer forensic tools that is... |
| 22:36.47 | Granden | any forensic tool that is free for use? |
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| 22:36.56 | transgress | i'm sure with enough time and determination you'll find it |
| 22:37.12 | transgress | Granden: yeah i think securityfocus has a list of tools |
| 22:37.19 | Granden | ok |
| 22:38.01 | kaol | mason-perl doesn't work for me... I wonder what I can do to fix it. |
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| 22:38.52 | Draconicus | I have a 5.25" floppy drive. How do I mount it? |
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| 22:39.05 | nyterukh | carefully |
| 22:39.12 | deadcat | where do i put my mod_rewrite options? #apache is dead |
| 22:39.14 | Draconicus | :P |
| 22:39.28 | Draconicus | I mean by what methods, nyterukh. :P |
| 22:39.32 | kaol | I've installed apache2 and libhtml-mason-perl-examples, but see only bare mason code at http://localhost/mason_example/ |
| 22:40.07 | nyterukh | doesnt control ctr have a way ya can do that auto like? |
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| 22:40.24 | misfit_ | sup I just installed xorg and everything works fine, except for one thing, fluxbox transparency is gone!!!, I used to have my fluxmenu with transparency, and even thou I set the values of alpha there no transparency, help!! |
| 22:40.28 | Draconicus | Do I have to change fstab? |
| 22:40.31 | qazix | transgress: you may be able to compile gnomemeeting for osx, but I'm not sure. |
| 22:40.47 | tanki | what is the highest end graphics card fully supported by linux? |
| 22:40.58 | qazix | geforce 7800 |
| 22:41.15 | qazix | well, maybe not fully supported yet, but nvidia's latest linux driver will work with it |
| 22:41.17 | Granden | I dont find any forensic tool that is for free for linux |
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| 22:41.35 | tanki | qazix, how about on the ATI side |
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| 22:41.46 | qazix | tanki: ati is pretty much crap on linux |
| 22:41.49 | kaol | Draconicus: mount -t vfat /dev/fd(number) /floppy |
| 22:41.53 | tanki | oh |
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| 22:42.02 | MikkelK | Hi. Something is wrong with either my PHP or my MySQL. Have both installed, and they used to work fine, but now they don't (http://mikkelk.dk/egroupware/) phpinfo() here: http://mikkelk.dk Anyone know what i can do? |
| 22:42.06 | qazix | tanki: check out the rage3d.com forums (and nvnews.net forums for nvidia) |
| 22:42.16 | WiFiTux | anyuone knows why am I getting this when installing a package with apt-get? WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 22:42.19 | WiFiTux | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.21 | tanki | qazix, ok thanks |
| 22:42.21 | qazix | tanki: also #nvidia and #ati |
| 22:42.24 | qazix | np |
| 22:42.35 | WiFiTux | never seen that before. |
| 22:43.20 | kaol | WiFiTux: AIUI, the new apt has authentication stuff in it, but few (if any) developers use it yet. |
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| 22:43.40 | misfit_ | sup I just installed xorg and everything works fine, except for one thing, fluxbox transparency is gone!!!, I used to have my fluxmenu with transparency, and even thou I set the values of alpha there no transparency, help!! Im using sarge btw. |
| 22:43.44 | kaol | to verify that the packages are from a trusted source or something |
| 22:44.17 | WiFiTux | kaol: sucks, makes me fill like something is wooong |
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| 22:47.46 | ethics | misfit_, no one cares we dont use xorg in debian yet,,,and sarge never will have it |
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| 22:48.14 | initech | misfit_: you spoiled a perfectly good sarge with that? |
| 22:48.14 | Borg^Queen | Hey people. Does Sarge have a gui for service handling? |
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| 22:48.22 | tarzeau | asg: i was at the lake |
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| 22:48.51 | mortum | hi |
| 22:48.55 | ethics | borg rcconf? |
| 22:49.03 | ethics | Borg^Queen, rcconf? |
| 22:49.04 | GlenneMannen | how do I do so /etc/init.d/rc.firewall runns at each reboot/startup? |
| 22:49.05 | Borg^Queen | let me try thanks |
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| 22:49.21 | Borg^Queen | no such command |
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| 22:49.38 | ethics | apt it |
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| 22:49.49 | initech | Borg^Queen: sysvconfig |
| 22:49.53 | Borg^Queen | Not a commandline tool? |
| 22:50.38 | Granden | I dont find any free retrival tool for linux for FAT32 partition |
| 22:50.52 | jim | what's sysvconfig? |
| 22:51.00 | jim | !info sysvconfig |
| 22:51.06 | dpkg | sysvconfig: (A text menu based utility for configuring init script links), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.10 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 22:51.31 | tanki | is sysvconfig debian specific |
| 22:52.09 | jim | well the command line tool is update-rc.d (if sysvconfig does not use the tool, it's perhaps not a good idea to use sysvconfig as you'd then have two things instead of one messing with the init scripts) |
| 22:52.16 | Borg^Queen | well what do you know ksysv |
| 22:52.39 | thd | What would to ip-down to fail to try to initiate a ppp connection when persist is set in pppconfig? |
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| 22:53.04 | concu | hey people should i use debian testing? |
| 22:53.08 | concu | or stable |
| 22:53.19 | rbochan | depends on how much work you like to do |
| 22:53.21 | jim | concu: what's your background |
| 22:53.31 | WiFiTux | hm |
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| 22:53.32 | jim | why you want to use debian |
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| 22:53.41 | thd | thd: sorry, word missing what would [cause] ip-down to fail |
| 22:53.44 | concu | because i like apt-get |
| 22:53.46 | concu | ha |
| 22:54.08 | rbochan | start with stable, then when you're ready, the updrade to testing should be simple |
| 22:54.19 | concu | i'm using stable now |
| 22:54.30 | concu | but i think it's outdate |
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| 22:54.43 | rbochan | it was relaseds 3 weeks ago |
| 22:54.50 | concu | oh |
| 22:54.52 | jim | do you like cat, grep, head, tail, tr, sort, uniq, bash, chmod, file, mkdir, ls, rmdir, cd? |
| 22:54.53 | concu | i see |
| 22:55.03 | rbochan | hence the channel topic |
| 22:55.09 | Thanatermesis | I have compiled the nvidia driver for import to another system, with only the driver.ko are good? I need more ? |
| 22:55.10 | jjott | could someone give me some pointers on automating my Sarge debian installer partitioning process? |
| 22:55.15 | jim | do you want to help solve problems you find in debian? |
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| 22:55.45 | Borg^Queen | ok I have something called a sorting #, if I set it to 00 does that stop the daemon from running? |
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| 22:56.46 | deadcat | damn. mod_rewrite is much harder that i can handle. |
| 22:56.50 | jim | concu, do you like cat, grep, head, tail, tr, sort, uniq, bash, chmod, file, mkdir, ls, rmdir, cd, rm, echo, pwd, ps? |
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| 22:56.57 | Borg^Queen | thanks people |
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| 22:58.31 | shivraj | !jre |
| 22:58.31 | dpkg | it has been said that jre is adding 'deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody main non-free' to your sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get install j2re1.3 or deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian woody main non-free, or see blackdown.org for the latest status. Yes, this works on potato and sid too, even though it says woody BTW: Java Runtime Environment. |
| 22:58.40 | jim | concu, if you don't know those commands, you should consider carefully before running anything but stable... if you dont' -like- them, why are you using linux? |
| 22:58.46 | MikkelK | Hi. Something is wrong with either my PHP or my MySQL. Have both installed, and they used to work fine, but now they don't (http://mikkelk.dk/egroupware/) phpinfo() here: http://mikkelk.dk Anyone know what i can do? |
| 22:59.05 | Thanatermesis | shivraj, is posible to Im include java in one distro ? |
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| 22:59.29 | jim | Thanatermesis: you mean distribute java? |
| 22:59.36 | Thanatermesis | yes |
| 22:59.37 | concu | jim: yeah i do like them |
| 22:59.39 | nyterukh | this is odd |
| 22:59.41 | Thanatermesis | included in the distro |
| 22:59.46 | jim | not without a license |
| 22:59.48 | concu | jim, i like those commands |
| 23:00.02 | jim | concu: ok, do you know them well? |
| 23:00.14 | jim | enough to find and solve problems? :) |
| 23:00.14 | concu | yeah |
| 23:00.41 | jim | then probably you won't mind occasional problems that come up with testing |
| 23:01.03 | Thanatermesis | ok, good |
| 23:01.20 | jim | and you'll even be able to help with getting testing out faster if you find problems and fix them, and report the problem and its fix |
| 23:01.22 | Dannyy | I think montreal got a foodstation that full fries with sperm in the gay town |
| 23:01.45 | jim | Thanatermesis: for example debian will not and can not distribute java |
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| 23:02.36 | Thanatermesis | what reason? |
| 23:02.41 | jim | license |
| 23:02.45 | jim | HOWEVER |
| 23:02.49 | Thanatermesis | not GPL ? |
| 23:02.55 | jim | of course not |
| 23:03.06 | jim | if it were, then it could be distributed |
| 23:03.24 | jim | you can create your own java packages with a simple tool |
| 23:03.45 | jim | (you don't have a license to distribute them; talk to sun or ibm about that) |
| 23:04.04 | jim | but you can obtain java, cause it to be packaged and install the package |
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| 23:05.44 | jim | Thanatermesis: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 23:06.36 | rbochan | can anyone point me towards another howto on making custom install cds? I've followed one at wiki.debian.net, b, but either I'm inept (well yeah), or it's a bit confusing |
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| 23:07.08 | jjott | rbochan - did you try the preseed approach? |
| 23:07.16 | jim | creating custom cds is not that easy |
| 23:07.26 | rbochan | jjott: not familair with that in the least, care to elaborate? |
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| 23:07.33 | rbochan | jim: you aren't kidding |
| 23:07.33 | jim | but it can be done |
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| 23:07.45 | rbochan | and doing it on a 233 is no fun to begin with |
| 23:07.54 | jim | rbochan: you should read up on the subject first before posing question... |
| 23:07.58 | jjott | rbochan - http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerPreseed |
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| 23:08.15 | jim | THAT is becoming a guru, or at least approaching as an EQUAL |
| 23:08.17 | jjott | rbochan - in a nutsheel - series of ".cfg" files with predetermined responses to debian installer |
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| 23:08.23 | rbochan | I have been reading what I've found, that just hasn't been much |
| 23:08.24 | Thanatermesis | jim, yes, Im include java in my distro project with the license are good =? |
| 23:08.44 | shivraj | is that howto abt how to install j2re still good ? |
| 23:08.51 | jjott | rbochan - I have been working with http://hands.com/d-i/ |
| 23:09.00 | jim | Thanatermesis: if you wish to use java YOURSELF you can probably do that. |
| 23:09.19 | rbochan | basically, I have a package-set that I like to use, and want to put them, plus the installer, on one cd.. in case of dial-up |
| 23:09.38 | shivraj | or how to I get jre? I need it for limewire |
| 23:09.44 | jim | Thanatermesis: other than that, you're asking about distributing... debian has decided it cannot distribute sun or ibm java |
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| 23:10.13 | jjott | rbochan - I know that there is a desire to automate this ... an idea is to make your own debs pool on your cd - add to your sources.list - that should do the trick |
| 23:10.20 | Thanatermesis | yes, debian like GPL ;) |
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| 23:10.42 | jim | shivraj: install the package java-package, use scripts that come with the package and a jre or jdk .bin file to produce a debian package of that .bin, install the debian package |
| 23:10.45 | rob-RTFMing | thanks :) |
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| 23:11.16 | jim | Thanatermesis: your distro debian-based? |
| 23:11.31 | jjott | rob-RTFMing - I'll see if I can't find some cmds that will help you out here |
| 23:11.43 | rob-RTFMing | thanks :) |
| 23:11.50 | Thanatermesis | yes jim |
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| 23:12.43 | rob-RTFMing | damn, this IS involved |
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| 23:12.59 | jim | then consider letting your USERS get the .bin, and meanwhile you include "java-package" with your distro and everybody's happy because then they even have a fairly wide range of choices as to which jre or jdk they want to install |
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| 23:13.07 | jjott | rob- actually its not THAT bad - the trick is to find the right doc ... |
| 23:13.35 | rob-RTFMing | yeah, http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD was what I was going by, but I've gotten a bit lost with it |
| 23:13.36 | jim | Thanatermesis: meanwhile, you try it out right now. get java-package, install it, read the docs and try it out |
| 23:13.53 | jim | you will see that it's unnecessary to distribute java |
| 23:13.54 | jjott | rob - IMHO right now might be the best approach is ... |
| 23:13.57 | Chrisx | hey i just installed debian net cd, but i hav probs loading the "desktop" |
| 23:14.01 | jim | afk |
| 23:14.06 | Chrisx | can any1 help? |
| 23:14.12 | rob-RTFMing | heh |
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| 23:14.31 | jjott | rob - start with netinst CD, add preseed per hands.com, build your own pvt deb pool & add to your sources list |
| 23:15.11 | Chrisx | jjott: can you help me please |
| 23:15.14 | jjott | rob - so the biggest trick is to build your own pvt deb pool - I have done this somewhere - just searching for that cmd now |
| 23:15.19 | baikonur | how can I kill a process (cdrecord) that cannot be killed with kill -9 $PID as root? |
| 23:15.46 | rob-RTFMing | when I followed what I could of that wiki article, I was just under 400 megs, which was nifty |
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| 23:16.17 | Chrisx | any1 help me please? |
| 23:16.18 | jjott | I was using the woody debian-cd stuff - it was nasty - under the heading of "amazing that it works" if you ask me |
| 23:16.22 | rob-RTFMing | that inc;uded the netsinst files |
| 23:16.35 | jjott | but yes - I have had similar experience - cool indeed |
| 23:17.00 | rob-RTFMing | I just could get the debian-cd fucntions to function properly, I think I had some path snafus |
| 23:17.09 | rob-RTFMing | er,, couldn't rather |
| 23:17.16 | jjott | yes - it is tricky to say the least |
| 23:17.17 | jjott | try this |
| 23:17.27 | Chrisx | any1 help me:| |
| 23:17.30 | Chrisx | ffs |
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| 23:17.49 | jjott | for your required packages - create a dir like: dists/sarge/local/binary-i386 |
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| 23:18.09 | jjott | in this directory put all your extra debs - you will have to resolve which files yourself |
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| 23:18.15 | rob-RTFMing | yeah, I tried to use apt-move to make that, but it didn't like what I was trying to do |
| 23:18.19 | jjott | then run the command |
| 23:18.34 | Chrisx | argh |
| 23:18.34 | jjott | dpkg-scanpackages dists/woody/local/binary-i386/ /dev/null >dists/woody/local/binary-i386/Packages |
| 23:18.36 | Chrisx | ffs |
| 23:18.43 | jjott | s/woody/sarge/ etc |
| 23:18.49 | rob-RTFMing | ahh |
| 23:18.53 | jjott | this will create the packages file |
| 23:18.59 | jjott | then you can add this to your sources |
| 23:19.26 | jjott | deb file:/path/to/cd/mylocaldebpool sarge main contrib |
| 23:19.42 | rob-RTFMing | true, that would be easy now wouldn't it |
| 23:19.54 | rob-RTFMing | and I could add that to the netinst iso image |
| 23:19.55 | jjott | yup - I think you might have better success with that |
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| 23:20.02 | jjott | you got it |
| 23:20.12 | rob-RTFMing | heh, you've got my brain working |
| 23:20.29 | jjott | maybe not 100% perfect like debian-cd which will "do the right thing" very nicely |
| 23:20.29 | Chrisx | jjott: Can you please help me:|? |
| 23:20.34 | jjott | but its nasty to get set up |
| 23:20.48 | rob-RTFMing | right |
| 23:20.49 | jjott | Chrisx - sorry man, I don't run desktops |
| 23:20.55 | caphuso | !tell Chrisx -about ask |
| 23:20.56 | Chrisx | :( |
| 23:21.35 | jjott | ok - now my turn! |
| 23:21.55 | jjott | I wanna script my partitioning (LVM, RAID, XFS) in debian installer |
| 23:21.57 | rob-RTFMing | that 'thunk' you just heard was my brain seizing |
| 23:22.07 | iostream | What kind of monitoring tools (for a server) would you recommend...? Munin & logwatch are usefull, what else? |
| 23:22.17 | jjott | where the heck do I slip in my own partitioning script? |
| 23:22.45 | jjott | rob - is that a good thing or a bad thing??? ;-) |
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| 23:23.00 | rob-RTFMing | jjott: like this? http://hands.com/d-i/cfgs/partition/ |
| 23:23.32 | jjott | rob - the problem with that is that it won't support the more exotic partitioning strategy that I would like to perform |
| 23:23.36 | rob-RTFMing | ahh |
| 23:23.53 | jjott | partman will only (according to what I've read) partition a single drive - which precludes RAID1 right away |
| 23:23.53 | jjott | :( |
| 23:24.02 | rob-RTFMing | what I'm doing is for desktops for average home users, so I keep things simple |
| 23:24.07 | jjott | But I know how to script what I wanna do - so I don't mind writing it myself |
| 23:24.36 | rob-RTFMing | I can get the basic concepts of what I'm trying to do, I just think I picked the wroong weekend to try it |
| 23:24.40 | jjott | Yeh- I wanna make a automatic build disk for app servers - RAID 1 -> LVM -> XFS filesystems |
| 23:25.18 | rbochan | so I'm going to bookmark all this until I'm on a day I haven't spent 12 hours doing yardwork |
| 23:25.25 | jjott | HAH! |
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| 23:25.53 | tuxmaster | hi i setup my x server wrong and i forgot the command to reconfigue it again |
| 23:25.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm back, http://www.qolume.ch/gallery/Juli_02 |
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| 23:26.18 | jjott | rbochan - definitely check out the hands.com stuff - its damn cool and works really really well |
| 23:26.35 | rbochan | it looks cool |
| 23:26.50 | rbochan | I"m just too tired for the advanced stuff today |
| 23:26.52 | jjott | suggestion - take a mirror copy of the stuff you see there |
| 23:27.18 | jjott | set up a local web server to serve these config files AND your local deb pool I suggested building earlier |
| 23:27.31 | rbochan | right |
| 23:27.44 | rbochan | can use that to test before burning too |
| 23:27.45 | jjott | burn a CD like what is suggested - customize the preseed.cfg to point to your local webserver |
| 23:28.13 | jjott | you will speed up your testing time a lot becuase you won't need to burn a bunch of CD's - just use the same diskk over and over - change configs on the server |
| 23:28.21 | rbochan | exactly |
| 23:28.40 | jjott | once you get close to a real solution then chage to file system paths innstead of http:// |
| 23:28.47 | tuxmaster | what package do i need to reconfigure to reconfigure X |
| 23:29.00 | jjott | besides over local net will be faster than CD ROM too! ;-) |
| 23:29.08 | rbochan | tuxmaster: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:29.09 | iostream | tuxmaster: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:29.13 | rbochan | heh |
| 23:29.14 | shivraj | yess limewire is working, now I can dl porn |
| 23:29.15 | iostream | rbochan: :) |
| 23:29.50 | rbochan | shivraj: you could use gtk-gnutella and not have to worry about java stuffs |
| 23:30.00 | tuxmaster | thank you |
| 23:30.27 | rbochan | jjott: _nothing_ is fast on the 233 I'm working this on |
| 23:30.55 | rbochan | and having a POS pcmcia nic that likes to stall out doesn't help either |
| 23:31.05 | tarzeau | jethro, jharrison awake? |
| 23:31.08 | jjott | uh oh!! |
| 23:31.36 | jjott | I'm spoiled here - my test boxes are dual PIII 600's |
| 23:31.42 | rbochan | nice |
| 23:31.49 | rbochan | my laptop's a 233/128 meg |
| 23:31.55 | rbochan | with a whopping 4.1G drive |
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| 23:32.06 | jjott | I picked them up for almost nothin |
| 23:32.17 | rbochan | this was for nothing |
| 23:32.24 | jjott | I've got 2x the disk space - 9.1G! ;-) |
| 23:32.31 | rbochan | I jsut use it beause it's got a cdrom and 2 working batteries |
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| 23:32.43 | rbochan | and it runs sid with kde3.4.1 really well |
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| 23:32.50 | jjott | right on - cool |
| 23:33.05 | rbochan | but I keep a good book handy if I open up OOo |
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| 23:33.19 | rbochan | takes almost 7 minutes |
| 23:33.26 | jjott | OO is piggy that is for sure |
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| 23:33.50 | rbochan | I sure as hell couldn't run winxp on that old thing |
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| 23:34.08 | tuxmaster | when configuring x a usb mouse would be ??? |
| 23:34.20 | rbochan | and win2k+pcmcia==evil |
| 23:34.20 | tuxmaster | /dev/input/mice am i correct |
| 23:34.29 | jjott | HAH - certainly not by choice - I sat in front of a Win2K machine today - what a POS |
| 23:34.40 | rbochan | tuxmaster: that should be the common |
| 23:34.49 | tuxmaster | so yes |
| 23:34.54 | rbochan | win2k was ok, for what it was |
| 23:35.11 | tuxmaster | rbochan so yes use /dev/input/mice for USB mouseweel |
| 23:35.14 | tuxmaster | mouse |
| 23:35.16 | rbochan | I just couldn't justify spending $300 for an OS for a 233 laptop |
| 23:35.20 | jjott | OS X is my desktop |
| 23:35.20 | x^equa|s1 | is uml built into the default sarge kernel? |
| 23:35.31 | rbochan | tuxmaster: sure... try it :) |
| 23:35.32 | GlenneMannen | how do I disconnect/reset a connection to samba? |
| 23:35.50 | rbochan | restart samba? |
| 23:35.58 | jjott | Glenne - you can kill the 'smbd' process for the userid connecting |
| 23:36.02 | GlenneMannen | rbochan: doesn't work |
| 23:36.10 | GlenneMannen | jjott: okok |
| 23:36.11 | jjott | rbochan - no that won't close existing connections |
| 23:36.11 | rbochan | jsut a guess |
| 23:36.14 | rbochan | ahh |
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| 23:36.19 | rbochan | I haven't used samba in years |
| 23:36.27 | rbochan | no winboxes, so no need |
| 23:36.32 | jjott | Glenn - or to be extra effective - 'killall smbd' |
| 23:36.33 | jjott | :) |
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| 23:36.53 | jjott | I am using smb between my macs and linux |
| 23:37.06 | jjott | Its better than NFS and Afp |
| 23:37.15 | rbochan | tuxmaster: if that doesn't work, try another selection ;) |
| 23:37.40 | rbochan | nfs+autofs has alqways worked well for me |
| 23:37.56 | GlenneMannen | jjott: it wont let me login back... the old one is still there |
| 23:37.58 | rbochan | mainly because I haven't touched the configs in about 2 years |
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| 23:38.34 | jjott | Glenn - did you issue the command (as root) killall smbd |
| 23:38.51 | jjott | you may need to upgrade to: killall -9 smbd |
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| 23:39.24 | jjott | nfs doesn't like me ... |
| 23:39.28 | jjott | never has |
| 23:39.50 | Fleck | ;p |
| 23:41.08 | GlenneMannen | jjott: still logged in... damn |
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| 23:41.26 | jjott | Glenne - do you see the processes? ps aux | grep smbd |
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| 23:41.35 | rbochan | lol, I can't even create a custom cd yet and here I am considering whether or not to put my business up on the deb support pages |
| 23:41.46 | jjott | :-P |
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| 23:42.12 | GlenneMannen | jjott: yeah... but when I start it again it starts and adds my other comps ip again |
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| 23:42.31 | nornagon | Hi all. I managed to get ndiswrapper 1.1 installed and everything. When I modprobe ndiswrapper, I get 'ndiswrapper: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.' and 'ndiswrapper version 1.1 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)'. However, it does not seem to create a wlan0. It does create an eth2, but iwconfig shows it up as "NOT READY!". |
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| 23:43.14 | jjott | Glenne - you can look for hints in /var/log/samba |
| 23:43.33 | jjott | Glenne - as well, what's your client OS? |
| 23:45.13 | GlenneMannen | jjott: the other computer is win Xp |
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| 23:45.17 | liquid_ | I have lots of backed up php files like blah.php~ I want to delete all of them on that one server with one command. how? |
| 23:45.25 | nornagon | rm *.php~ |
| 23:45.38 | jjott | do you try to access your samba share like: \\ipaddress\ |
| 23:45.39 | jjott | ? |
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| 23:46.01 | GlenneMannen | jjott: both that and in explorer |
| 23:46.14 | jjott | If you do \\ipaddress\ |
| 23:46.18 | jim | jjott: you should use / in linux |
| 23:46.26 | jjott | you should get a login prompt |
| 23:46.31 | jjott | jim - his client is XP |
| 23:46.40 | jjott | and then a list of shares, printers, etc. |
| 23:46.49 | jim | oh, that's not my issue :) |
| 23:46.52 | GlenneMannen | jjott: then I login at the user I logged in before... I wont be able to login a new user |
| 23:47.09 | jjott | You may need to reboot the XP client as they can remember your login credentials |
| 23:47.15 | jjott | IIRC |
| 23:47.26 | jjott | Me, I use a Mac and mount samba volumes like: |
| 23:47.34 | jjott | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.41 | jjott | much more civilized |
| 23:47.47 | jjott | ;-) |
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| 23:48.19 | britt | does anybody know why I can't alsaconf my cs4231 soundcard |
| 23:48.20 | britt | ? |
| 23:48.52 | directhex | ISA? |
| 23:49.01 | rbochan | perhaps because it uses OSS emulation? |
| 23:49.02 | jim | britt: nope. /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 23:49.18 | nornagon | Hi all. I managed to get ndiswrapper 1.1 installed and everything. When I modprobe ndiswrapper, I get 'ndiswrapper: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.' and 'ndiswrapper version 1.1 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)'. However, it does not seem to create a wlan0. It does create an eth2, but iwconfig shows it up as "NOT READY!". |
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| 23:50.03 | britt | jim: how hard would it be just to help out |
| 23:50.11 | petemc | nornagon: did you go through the steps to tell ndiswrapper where the windows driver is? |
| 23:50.37 | ethics | britt what have you done/tried ? |
| 23:50.58 | jim | how hard would it be to tell us the specifics of your problem? |
| 23:51.00 | nornagon | petemc: yes, ndiswrapper -l shows my driver. |
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| 23:51.18 | nornagon | and it says hardware present, too. |
| 23:51.25 | directhex | how did you install it? |
| 23:51.32 | jim | cmon, either meet us half way and approach as an equal or get less help and more messages like this one |
| 23:52.02 | britt | ethics: I have tried alsaconf letting it try to find teh card by detecting it, by manually telling modprobe the specifics of the card config, and i get nothing that would signify a sucessful finding of the card |
| 23:52.06 | mirak_ | is there something to control the fans speeds from linux ? |
| 23:52.08 | jim | britt: you -want- us to want to help you |
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| 23:52.14 | nornagon | I installed the source .deb, fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules, dpkg -i ../ndiswrapper.deb |
| 23:52.34 | britt | jim: why bother explaining anything if you all never tried to mess with ISA stuff |
| 23:52.36 | directhex | i notice the only question on the topic went unanswered, so i'll leave jim to handle it |
| 23:52.53 | rbochan | heh |
| 23:52.55 | jim | britt" /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 23:53.34 | ethics | britt does anything show up in lsmod possibly older oss support crap autoloading? |
| 23:53.49 | jim | well I'm not going to handle anything, because I just don't want to (that wasn't true 30 secs ago, I was just miffed then, but now I'm downright refusing) |
| 23:53.59 | rbochan | I have to use the OSS stuff for the 4232 on my laptop |
| 23:54.23 | directhex | i used cs4232 on my old office desktop now you mention it |
| 23:54.27 | rbochan | but then, I use modconf, because it likes me |
| 23:54.42 | ethics | rbochan, yeah unfortunately alsa is meant to fill the void left by oss depication |
| 23:54.45 | nornagon | directhex: In case you missed my message, I installed the source .deb, fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules, dpkg -i ../ndiswrapper.deb |
| 23:55.00 | britt | ethics: yeah all of the alsaconf stuff is showing up, along with the apparent mention of the cs4231 libraries |
| 23:55.10 | rbochan | ethics: the modules still exist for the 2.6 kernels, and they work just fine |
| 23:55.13 | jim | and btw, my turtle beach tropez plus was an isa sound card with a cs4232 :P |
| 23:55.40 | ethics | britt ok well you may want to either vlacklist the oss versions and keep the snd-versions or you can back out alsa and use oss if it works.. |
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| 23:55.59 | rbochan | lol, I have 'io-0x530 irq=5 dma=0 dma2=1 synthio=0x330 synthirq=5" commited to memeory |
| 23:56.12 | britt | ethics: dpkg -purge alsaconf? |
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| 23:56.16 | ethics | rbochan, yeah no disagreement there just that oss is not maintained anymore under Free |
| 23:56.16 | foobus | regarding snd-intel8x0: is it a udev problem when the driver loads, sndstat shows the card chips (but all is NOT ENABLED IN OCNFIG), and the driver even loads during boot seq., but no devices are created in /dev? |
| 23:56.23 | directhex | or install the isa-crap and isa-1980-wants-its-technology-back modules (i forget the exact module names) |
| 23:56.35 | directhex | s/modules/packages/ |
| 23:56.51 | britt | ethics: i've never had to blacklist anything before...my other dual P-Pro system was quite flexible |
| 23:56.53 | mirak_ | is there something to control the fans speeds from linux ? |
| 23:57.02 | britt | mirak_: what laptop do you have |
| 23:57.09 | ethics | brit: have you by chance got isapnptolls loaded or whaever it was called? |
| 23:57.11 | mirak_ | britt: it's not a laptop |
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| 23:57.23 | directhex | you don't need to blacklist anything when isa is involved |
| 23:57.34 | mirak_ | britt: I think I can control from the bios, so maybe linux can control the bios, I don't know |
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| 23:58.06 | rbochan | linux laughs at the bios |
| 23:58.20 | jim | rbochan: the herd of us linux users is being prodded away from oss; some need a pain stick... me, I use alsa fine and went willingly because it seems to work pretty well |
| 23:58.27 | foobus | well, I get devices, but not standard ones, and they're all under /dev/snd/ |
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| 23:58.36 | rbochan | talk about 1980-wants-its-technology-back |
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| 23:58.56 | rbochan | jim, the OOS just plain works(TM) for me |
| 23:58.56 | directhex | foobus, alsa devices live in /dev/snd |
| 23:59.06 | directhex | foobus, if you want oss emulation, load snd-pcm-oss |
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| 23:59.40 | rbochan | alsa's always been evil towards ISA stuff |
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