| 00:00.08 | directhex | ISA's always been evil towards * |
| 00:00.12 | rbochan | true |
| 00:00.13 | foobus | directhex, thanks... hey. there they are. let's see if they work |
| 00:00.39 | britt | ethics: so OSS modules should work |
| 00:00.41 | rbochan | I have a cabinet full of ISA cards |
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| 00:00.53 | ethics | britt: they should |
| 00:01.02 | jim | then stick with it while it still exists :) I'm guessing that once it's out of the kernel for good (iirc, it's deprecated now and says so in the make config help), might have additional problems getting it, and maybe have to pay the oss folks for such driver |
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| 00:01.19 | rbochan | britt: if you instal the modconf util an d use it, things are pretty easy to find |
| 00:01.39 | rbochan | jim: I'll just use old kernels :P |
| 00:01.49 | jim | there ya go then :) |
| 00:01.49 | foobus | aw, thanks directhex. |
| 00:01.51 | fwiw390x | hello - anybody know of any good thin clients worthy of operating as a debian firewall? (example would be ibm netvistas...but hard to find on ebay) |
| 00:01.55 | britt | rbochan: i tried that and it gave me crap saying it couldnt find the card |
| 00:01.57 | directhex | well if you wanty to use old hardware, at least it matches |
| 00:02.04 | rbochan | yup |
| 00:02.19 | jim | old hardware is usually perfectly usable |
| 00:02.22 | foobus | unfortunately I'm testing with Robert Palmer :p |
| 00:02.29 | rbochan | but I kinda like the idea of having about the most modern up to date OS running on an old 23 laptop :) |
| 00:02.35 | rbochan | er.. 233 |
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| 00:02.45 | petemc | fwiw390x: soekris make decent small boxes |
| 00:02.48 | britt | rbochan: this one was a free 166 |
| 00:02.54 | rbochan | right on |
| 00:02.57 | britt | rbochan: but its MMX |
| 00:03.01 | britt | rbochan: lol |
| 00:03.19 | rbochan | britt: there's a list of OSS modules for moconf, but most likely you'll have to include irq and io settigns |
| 00:03.21 | fwiw390x | petemc, yes they do, and so does WRAP...but i'm looking to buy a cheap thin client on ebay such as the ibm netvista 8364 |
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| 00:03.38 | fwiw390x | petemc, there must be other thin clients that are up to hardware spec for firewall/routing duties |
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| 00:03.58 | petemc | fwiw390x: it seems like you already have your mind made up |
| 00:04.04 | mrgenixus | has anyone ever migrated from outlook express |
| 00:04.12 | britt | well i'll be back, i'm gonna go eat. anybody know of a less CPU-intensive program like xmms |
| 00:04.12 | rbochan | mrgenixus: years ago :P |
| 00:04.23 | rbochan | britt: mpg123 |
| 00:04.48 | fwiw390x | petemc, well, yes, that ibm is a nice model, but i was wondering if other models existed, from wyse, hp or dell |
| 00:04.49 | britt | foobus: i'll be damned |
| 00:04.58 | MikkelK | Hi. Something is wrong with either my PHP or my MySQL. Have both installed, and they used to work fine, but now they don't (http://mikkelk.dk/egroupware/) phpinfo() here: http://mikkelk.dk Anyone know what i can do? |
| 00:05.00 | mrgenixus | rbochan: do you remember how you converted your email? |
| 00:05.03 | britt | foobus: that didnt give me ANY garbage |
| 00:05.13 | fwiw390x | petemc, it is hard to find info on the web about thin clients clocking in around 266 mhz cuz those are considered legacy thin clients and have been dumped long ago |
| 00:05.15 | directhex | foobus, not everyone wants to use OSS emulation |
| 00:05.15 | foobus | garbage? |
| 00:05.19 | rbochan | mrgenixus: I used kmail, which, at the time, was able to import from oe |
| 00:05.34 | mrgenixus | oh, I dont' really want to have to install kde stuff |
| 00:05.35 | rbochan | kde 1.xx or 2.xx or something |
| 00:05.36 | foobus | ah... I'm just unfamiliar with the new alsa layout |
| 00:05.36 | mrgenixus | darn |
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| 00:05.43 | britt | foobus: errors....it was quiet, which form my experience is a good thing |
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| 00:05.55 | rbochan | mrgenixus: I'd imagine google couuld come up with some sort of util |
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| 00:06.16 | mrgenixus | I haven't found one for linux yet, except kmail |
| 00:06.16 | nornagon | Hi all. I managed to get ndiswrapper 1.1 installed and everything. When I modprobe ndiswrapper, I get 'ndiswrapper: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.' and 'ndiswrapper version 1.1 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)'. However, it does not seem to create a wlan0. It does create an eth2, but iwconfig shows it up as "NOT READY!". ndiswrapper -l shows that the driver is present and the hardware is present. |
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| 00:06.24 | rbochan | mrgenixus: doesn't firefox import from oe? |
| 00:06.28 | mrgenixus | and the windows utils I've found have me running in circles |
| 00:06.38 | mrgenixus | rbochan: you mean mozilla thunderbird? |
| 00:06.39 | rbochan | er... thunderbird...wtf it's ever caleld this week |
| 00:06.43 | mrgenixus | yes, but it has to export |
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| 00:06.48 | mrgenixus | has no export |
| 00:06.50 | mrgenixus | oops |
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| 00:07.08 | rbochan | wht wouldn't you need to export it once it's in t-bird? |
| 00:07.10 | Elive_user | FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.11/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format |
| 00:07.13 | Elive_user | any idea ? |
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| 00:07.16 | foobus | britt, I'm not sure what you are telling me |
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| 00:07.45 | mrgenixus | need to put it on a different machine |
| 00:07.48 | rbochan | er.. in english: why you need to export it once it's in t-bird? |
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| 00:08.11 | rbochan | mrgenixus: but t-bird is cross-platform, you should be able to to copy the data files over |
| 00:08.14 | rbochan | I'd imagien |
| 00:08.16 | mrgenixus | becuase the thunder brid its on is in windows on a machine i don't need it on |
| 00:08.17 | britt | foobus: nevermind |
| 00:08.30 | mrgenixus | rbochan: but I was shooting for putting them in Evo |
| 00:08.39 | directhex | Elive_user, cat /proc/version |
| 00:08.40 | chealer | mozilla thunderbird doesn't change name every week. you could ask them from what apps it can import |
| 00:08.41 | rbochan | now you're way out of my turf |
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| 00:09.04 | mrgenixus | chealer: what are you trying to say |
| 00:09.22 | directhex | thunderbird for windows can import from OE |
| 00:09.29 | rbochan | that's what I understood |
| 00:09.41 | jim | foobus: So What |
| 00:10.03 | rbochan | and I'd imagine (hopefully) that those winders t-bird files could be read, or at least imported, to linux t-bird |
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| 00:10.14 | foobus | jim, I guess it matters more if you play a trumpet and wish you could like Miles |
| 00:10.28 | rbochan | heh |
| 00:10.29 | directhex | Elive_user, i'm not here all night. if you want help, please provide the extra info needed to do so |
| 00:10.31 | mrgenixus | directhex: but how do I get from t-bird to evolution |
| 00:10.33 | Elive_user | Linux version 2.6.11 (root@alextreme.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-1)) |
| 00:10.39 | jim | foobus: ahh :) you haven't heard "Kinda Blue" I see :) |
| 00:10.40 | directhex | mrgenixus, oh. no idea |
| 00:10.48 | directhex | Elive_user, gcc --version |
| 00:10.58 | Elive_user | gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 00:11.01 | jim | err I guess that's Kind Of Blue |
| 00:11.08 | rbochan | must...pollute...lungs.... |
| 00:11.10 | foobus | jim, oh yes... who hasn't |
| 00:11.12 | jim | foobus: Blue In Green |
| 00:11.13 | directhex | hmmmm |
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| 00:11.29 | jim | foobus: then you have heard So What :) |
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| 00:12.52 | foobus | jim, you flew right over me... I'm listening to it now. |
| 00:12.58 | Elive_user | no such device.. what are this? o_O |
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| 00:13.09 | chealer | mrgenixus: see what directhex said |
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| 00:13.47 | directhex | Elive_user, it's a general "can't load this module" mewssage. there may be more info in /var/log/kern.log or dmesg |
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| 00:14.16 | Elive_user | nvidia: version magic '2.6.10 K7 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.11 486 gcc-3.3' |
| 00:14.17 | Elive_user | o_O |
| 00:14.25 | jim | foobus: yeah, I still can't stay on the so what form |
| 00:14.32 | foobus | ascenseur pour l'echaufade (sp?) is like the very coolste |
| 00:14.37 | jim | after 20 years too |
| 00:14.40 | directhex | Elive_user, did you compile your kernel yourself? |
| 00:14.49 | ColonelKernel | I installed gnome-desktop-environment and xserver-xfree86 - I dont seem to have "startx" as part of my system, can anyone help? |
| 00:14.58 | foobus | damn |
| 00:15.02 | directhex | ColonelKernel, x-window-system-core |
| 00:15.05 | ColonelKernel | thanks |
| 00:15.17 | jim | I always get confused between the A and B |
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| 00:15.28 | jim | every fricken time |
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| 00:15.37 | dmesg | ColonelKernel: xserver-base IIRC |
| 00:15.39 | Elive_user | directhex, no, Im dowloaded this source 2.6.11 for this kernel 2.6.11 |
| 00:15.47 | ColonelKernel | IIRC? |
| 00:15.52 | foobus | I'm still trying to get scales worked into my muscles. I can do anything with my mind but my fingers! |
| 00:16.18 | jim | foobus: you could use the Grantham jazzmaster workout |
| 00:16.34 | directhex | Elive_user, pleas be more specific. are you using kernel-source-2.6.11 and kernel-image-2.6.11-sfddfgg debian packages? |
| 00:16.35 | foobus | heheh, will it make my dick bigger, too? |
| 00:16.47 | Elive_user | yes |
| 00:16.49 | dmesg | ColonelKernel: If I Recall Correctly :) |
| 00:17.04 | jim | no, you'll have to consult your confirmed-spam dir for that :P |
| 00:17.07 | Elive_user | the headers dont have good look of work |
| 00:17.08 | directhex | Elive_user, install kernel-headers-$(uname -r), and remove your /usr/src/linux symlink if you have one |
| 00:17.25 | Elive_user | Im try... |
| 00:17.50 | jim | but the method is very good, full workout in all keys, full treatment of functional harmony by the Berklee harmony system |
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| 00:18.26 | wwallace | whats the correct format? smb://user:password@machine/dellAIOP or smb://workgroup/user:password/machine/dellAIOP? |
| 00:18.28 | foobus | I'll take a look. thanks. Lord knows I need the drills. |
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| 00:19.01 | directhex | wwallace, i've never seen usernames & passwords used in smb uri's |
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| 00:19.12 | directhex | wwallace, though the first one seems more correct to me |
| 00:19.12 | wwallace | you must\ |
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| 00:19.25 | wwallace | other ways u get the nt error from windows |
| 00:19.28 | Elive_user | directhex, |
| 00:19.30 | Elive_user | root@elive:/usr/src# ln -s kernel-headers-2.6.11/ linux |
| 00:19.35 | wwallace | it doesnt show in cups though |
| 00:19.36 | jim | foobus: hint from Gary Willis... anything you're having trouble with becomes an exercise |
| 00:19.37 | Elive_user | downloaded and symlinked |
| 00:19.47 | directhex | Elive_user, what does uname -r say? |
| 00:19.48 | ethics | wwallace, the first way looks like how it's done in windows... |
| 00:19.55 | wwallace | no no |
| 00:19.58 | wwallace | no windows |
| 00:20.05 | Elive_user | 2.6.11 |
| 00:20.05 | foobus | jim, I already embrace embracing everything that is a problem... |
| 00:20.07 | wwallace | printing from linux to windows |
| 00:20.45 | jim | yeah, the questions become "what should I not do" and "when will I have time to sleep?" |
| 00:20.48 | directhex | Elive_user, what linux distro are you running? debian does _NOT_ have any kernels which return "2.6.11" from "uname -r" |
| 00:21.14 | directhex | 2.6.11-9-amd64-k8, that's a debian kernel. |
| 00:21.20 | foobus | or work on my robotics army |
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| 00:21.42 | jim | yeah, as a matter of fact, that's just what it says! how did you know?! |
| 00:21.50 | Elive_user | directhex, Im using a distro project based in debian with have a morphix base for this "livecd" mode, (Im in liveCD) |
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| 00:22.00 | liable | wwallace: the first one. |
| 00:22.10 | wwallace | liable: thank u |
| 00:22.12 | jim | Willis wrote a tune called canine |
| 00:22.21 | directhex | Elive_user, then i can't help you. your problems are not debian problems. my solutions do not apply to you, because you don't run debian. have a nice day. |
| 00:22.30 | Elive_user | :( |
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| 00:22.53 | Elive_user | Im only try to compile and include this nvidia driver |
| 00:23.05 | Elive_user | directhex, this is a 100x100 debian base in stable |
| 00:23.13 | directhex | Elive_user, 101% wrong |
| 00:23.13 | Elive_user | morphix have 2 parts |
| 00:23.13 | ethics | yeah and the way you install headers etc would be different |
| 00:23.23 | Elive_user | the liveCD part and the "your part" |
| 00:23.29 | Elive_user | my part are a 100x100 debian stable |
| 00:23.31 | directhex | Elive_user, if it was debian, you would _NOT_ have "2.6.11" reported by "uname -r" |
| 00:23.46 | directhex | Elive_user, and 2.6.11 is _NOT_ in debian stable in any shape or form |
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| 00:23.50 | Elive_user | morphix 1º launch livecd and 2º enter in chroot in the "your base" |
| 00:23.51 | directhex | please, DON'T presume you know better |
| 00:24.09 | Elive_user | this is the kernel of the "morphix part" |
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| 00:24.31 | foobus | that gary willis site uses flash :/ |
| 00:24.33 | jim | Elive_user: you just have to get the build instructions and follow them... satisfy build requirements first, build, then install according to whatever the instructions say |
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| 00:24.40 | directhex | i can't help you with your non-debian problems on your non-debian system |
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| 00:24.50 | Wyzard | directhex: I'm running Debian and my "uname -r" says "2.6.11" |
| 00:24.56 | directhex | jim, seems like the kernels on his distro are all fucked with, such that standard debian module helpers don't work |
| 00:24.56 | Wyzard | directhex: (sid and custom kernel, of course) |
| 00:25.04 | jim | that advice is about all I can do because I don't know that dist either |
| 00:25.18 | directhex | Wyzard, then you know what you did. a non-debian system witha non-debian system is an unknown |
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| 00:25.30 | jim | directhex: so he might have to rebuild |
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| 00:26.06 | directhex | jim, perhaps. buggered if i know. like i said, it's an unknown |
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| 00:26.12 | redloff | hi, how can I record video file from X display? |
| 00:26.33 | redloff | there was this tool.. I forgot the name... xsomething.. |
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| 00:27.35 | rbochan | heh |
| 00:27.58 | sess | anyone have success using software suspend? when I hibernate my laptop in X it comes back and freezes, not sure at all whats causng it. Its functional for about 1 second and then X shows artifacts on the screen and everything is non functional. music that was playing right before the suspend comes back on for about 3 seconds |
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| 00:28.41 | jim | redloff: xeyes! |
| 00:28.50 | redloff | jim, nooooooo! |
| 00:28.56 | jim | xnose! |
| 00:28.57 | directhex | sess, i have it working great, but not in debian |
| 00:29.11 | redloff | xbesensible! |
| 00:29.11 | jharrison | directhex: ubuntu? |
| 00:29.17 | rbochan | redloff: have you browsed this? http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/ |
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| 00:29.25 | jim | okfine, tell us the name :P) |
| 00:29.27 | directhex | jharrison, good guess. |
| 00:29.33 | redloff | rbochan, no, good clue, thx |
| 00:29.38 | ethics | sess theres a heap of fixes in 2.6.12 about suspends etc something about timing issues on resumes....it may be related |
| 00:29.47 | redloff | jim, ;F |
| 00:30.14 | jim | I dont' know; I thought it was xeyes! |
| 00:30.28 | rbochan | redloff: I didn't know there was such a toy, so I was just guessing |
| 00:30.51 | liable | sess: do you have the hibernate package? |
| 00:30.52 | rbochan | could be fun for Diablo2 though |
| 00:31.11 | drraid | mail |
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| 00:32.55 | sess | liable: yes, I do, but at the momemnt I've been using kde's battery utility to launch the suspend and hibernate |
| 00:33.01 | sess | haven't ttried the command line hibernate |
| 00:33.36 | rbochan | foobus: rm -rf / |
| 00:33.47 | foobus | that bad, huh? |
| 00:33.57 | rbochan | or make yerself a custom kernel |
| 00:34.05 | foobus | no not that OSS. oss. |
| 00:34.09 | rbochan | oh |
| 00:34.16 | rbochan | pfffffffft |
| 00:34.23 | directhex | lsmod | grep soundcore |
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| 00:34.33 | Elive_user | ok |
| 00:34.46 | directhex | if there's anything shown that doesn't start with snd- then it's an OSS module. |
| 00:34.52 | Elive_user | FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.11/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 00:34.53 | liable | sess: try mucking around with module unloading etc. |
| 00:35.01 | Elive_user | the problem are the autodetection of my device? o_O |
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| 00:35.06 | nornagon | Hi all. I managed to get ndiswrapper 1.1 installed and everything. When I modprobe ndiswrapper, I get 'ndiswrapper: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.' and 'ndiswrapper version 1.1 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)'. However, it does not seem to create a wlan0. It does create an eth2, but iwconfig shows it up as "NOT READY!". ndiswrapper -l shows that the driver is present and the hardware is present. |
| 00:35.29 | directhex | Elive_user, _NO_. the porblem is your distribution's kernel being funny and incomptaible with debian kernel headers and module building methods |
| 00:35.32 | sess | liable: the thing is it resumes fine X is even functional for about 2 seconds before the whole laptop just locks up. |
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| 00:35.42 | Elive_user | posible... |
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| 00:36.12 | directhex | Elive_user, or the shortened version: "<directhex> Elive_user, _NO_. the porblem is your distribution's ...n...o...t... debian ... |
| 00:36.12 | jim | Elive_user: I don't know if this could work for you, but if you're using a debian-based distro, maybe an official debian kernel will help you... conversely, if the kernel you're runnign was installed by installing a .deb package created using make-kpkg, you'll find the .config file for it in /boot |
| 00:36.27 | metaperl | which taglib package should I install: http://pastebin.ca/16745 |
| 00:36.35 | metaperl | amarok needs one, but I dont know which one to install |
| 00:36.43 | metaperl | (for building from source) |
| 00:36.45 | Elive_user | yes directhex .. I know I know |
| 00:36.59 | foobus | just the one module? I mean, the CD player app looks for /dev/audio, and lots of apps expect stuff like oss layout |
| 00:37.21 | directhex | think it's some GCC configuration oddities. sounds like gcc is doing -march athlonxp or similar, but kernel is built for 486 |
| 00:37.24 | Elive_user | jim, yes, the kernel are a special modified, I have headers and source... posible are this the problem... |
| 00:38.04 | jim | did you build it/ |
| 00:38.05 | jim | ? |
| 00:38.09 | directhex | foobus, soundcore is the "master" kernel sound module. alsa and oss both use it. if you use alsa, then it should just say "snd" |
| 00:38.16 | directhex | jim, he's using a non-debian livecd |
| 00:38.21 | jim | I knwo |
| 00:38.31 | foobus | lsmod shows only the one module. Ok I'll try getting rid of that. |
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| 00:38.45 | jim | I want him to tell it |
| 00:38.49 | rbochan | metaperl: libtag + libtag-devel? |
| 00:38.49 | Elive_user | jim, Im dont know how to change the type of kernel, posible are a future test... or posible Im stand the next version of morphix |
| 00:39.01 | foobus | directhex, but what I meant was all the apps that expect devices in /dev and not /dev/snd |
| 00:39.02 | rbochan | er... |
| 00:39.08 | rbochan | metaperl: libtag1 + libtag1-dev? |
| 00:39.10 | jim | so the kernel you got is one from the cd |
| 00:39.29 | quittt | how do I see the same boot messages has when you start the PC? |
| 00:39.32 | directhex | foobus, so update your apps to ones that support ALSA (or even better, an agnostic backend such as libao or gstreamer) |
| 00:39.38 | directhex | quittt, dmesg |
| 00:39.46 | quittt | directhex, it is not the same |
| 00:40.12 | rbochan | metaperl: clicky clicky: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libtag&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 00:40.14 | quittt | there is a message when I boot and I cant read it!! |
| 00:40.24 | dmesg | quittt: /var/log/messages ? |
| 00:40.36 | Elive_user | yes, normally only change the kernel maybe works |
| 00:40.42 | metaperl | rbochan: thanks |
| 00:40.48 | jim | quittt: remember any part of it? |
| 00:40.52 | Elive_user | mmmh, how to create the "headers" for my personal kernel ? |
| 00:40.54 | rbochan | right on... good luck |
| 00:40.57 | quittt | it was big |
| 00:41.01 | quittt | really big |
| 00:41.06 | quittt | and I needed to read it |
| 00:41.36 | jim | so it's not in /var/log/messages? or /var/log/klog*? |
| 00:41.37 | directhex | Elive_user, non-trivial. you can extract the correct kernel source, and use the config file in /boot, but that requires the source for the same kernel version used in the build |
| 00:42.03 | rbochan | foobus: experimental |
| 00:42.09 | directhex | foobus, you could pull in packages from experimental. or run gentoo! |
| 00:42.14 | rbochan | <thunder cracks> |
| 00:42.19 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:42.26 | foobus | sacrilege! |
| 00:42.28 | jim | foobus: sure... by building stuff yourself, or building from the cvs, svn or arch trees maintained by debian maints |
| 00:42.42 | rbochan | gentoo, because I _like_ waoting 3 days for kde to compile |
| 00:42.56 | metaperl | I use the shell within xemacs. When I type "ls", I get back a bunch of ASCII control characters which destroy the listing: http://pastebin.ca/16746 ... how can I turn this special character sequence stuff off? |
| 00:43.10 | jim | or by asking maints to snapshot their current situation and mail it to you, or something like that |
| 00:43.11 | sess | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.14 | foobus | o god: my days of wanting to dick with the computer are over. I want it to disappear except insofar as it does my bidding. |
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| 00:43.24 | Elive_user | ok directhex... mmmh, the source builded directory = 200 Mb, my headers for this test are 40 Mb, what are the exactly need for include for headers ? |
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| 00:43.28 | quittt | it is a really strange error |
| 00:43.36 | thingfish | foobus: sarge. |
| 00:43.37 | quittt | I cant read it!! |
| 00:43.52 | quittt | it is like a message you write in a email |
| 00:44.21 | rbochan | letters+puncuation? |
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| 00:44.33 | quittt | yes |
| 00:44.37 | directhex | Elive_user, the headers folder is for _DEBIAN_ 2.6.11 headers. these have nothing to do with your _GODKNOWS_ kernel. you may as well remove the kernel-headers-2.6.11 package, it';s not for you |
| 00:44.38 | Elive_user | (for include in my headers make) |
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| 00:45.04 | Elive_user | yes |
| 00:45.14 | thingfish | he's an oprah kind of guy. |
| 00:45.26 | jim | foobus: but you might have liked kenny kirkland, jeff watts and branford marcelus... |
| 00:45.27 | quittt | it appers after init.d starts |
| 00:45.27 | foobus | fucking poser |
| 00:45.38 | rbochan | heh |
| 00:45.56 | Elive_user | ok, Im creating my personal kernel, Im use this conf, make-oldconfig and I like to create same headers... what are the exact files of Im need? all my source compiled directory ? |
| 00:46.09 | quittt | how do I see init.d logs? |
| 00:46.17 | jim | especially kirkland... that guy was intense |
| 00:46.35 | foobus | er... reggae |
| 00:46.51 | directhex | Elive_user, you should be using make-kpkg. man make-kpkg |
| 00:46.55 | jim | foobus: exactly... look at the personel on that record |
| 00:46.59 | Elive_user | oh, good |
| 00:47.00 | rbochan | jim, yes but he had that whole herbie hancock thing going on |
| 00:47.00 | Elive_user | thanks |
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| 00:47.14 | directhex | Elive_user, why are you going through all this trouble? if you ran debian, you'd have finished an hour ago |
| 00:47.20 | quittt | hey help me |
| 00:47.45 | jim | rbochan: but he took it to places herbie may not have been interested in anymore (shame too) |
| 00:48.02 | rbochan | yup, but then again, I'm a keith jarret guy |
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| 00:48.09 | foobus | jim, I'm completely and utterly enthralled at the moment by off-the-wall stuff like gypsy jazz and anything by The Raymond Scott Project |
| 00:48.26 | foobus | Fanfare Ciocarlia is the shizzle |
| 00:48.36 | thingfish | oh cool, keith jarret, haven't listened to him in a long time but I like him. |
| 00:48.38 | Elive_user | hahaha, Yes directhex , Im using debian, but Im creating my personal distro based in debian, in this moments Im test for use the morphix base for use in liveCD mode... the page of my project are http://livecd.debianitas.net |
| 00:49.00 | rbochan | Elive_user: tried #morphix ? |
| 00:49.14 | Elive_user | #morphix very sleeping channel |
| 00:49.22 | quittt | man help me!!! |
| 00:49.27 | liable | no |
| 00:49.28 | jim | I didn't like hancock's funk thing, but maybe that's because I saw a show where Corea's electrik band opened for Hancock doing the funk thing... blew him off the stage imo |
| 00:49.31 | rbochan | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.36 | thingfish | !pray for Elive_user |
| 00:49.47 | Elive_user | quittt, init.d logs? try dmesg |
| 00:49.59 | quittt | Elive_user, they arent there |
| 00:50.03 | jim | but hancock did another show where he went back to his roots; amazing show |
| 00:50.14 | jim | corea would be very challenged to top that |
| 00:50.16 | thingfish | oh I bet that was good. |
| 00:50.23 | rbochan | indeed |
| 00:50.26 | thingfish | I saw return to forever, nice show. |
| 00:50.28 | Elive_user | thingfish, pray ? |
| 00:50.28 | jim | yeah, it was |
| 00:50.35 | thingfish | nm |
| 00:50.36 | rbochan | with patituuci? |
| 00:50.47 | jim | well both shows were great in their own way |
| 00:50.50 | Elive_user | quittt, cat /var/log/messages |
| 00:50.51 | jim | probably |
| 00:51.04 | thingfish | no, the original lineup |
| 00:51.10 | jim | I'm not as impressed with Patitucci as I am with Gary Willis... |
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| 00:51.57 | directhex | screw it, time for bed |
| 00:52.05 | jim | if you like that fusion kinda thing, Willis is the godzilla to every existing monster |
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| 00:52.20 | rbochan | never was huge fusion |
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| 00:52.28 | rbochan | bits and peices, nothing constant though |
| 00:52.40 | foobus | damn... Ctl-W on the wrong keyboard |
| 00:52.42 | rbochan | except for the flecktones |
| 00:53.03 | jim | Victor Wooton, good player... |
| 00:53.07 | rbochan | monster |
| 00:53.11 | foobus | oi, no logs |
| 00:53.13 | thingfish | I just do progressive house anymore. |
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| 00:53.38 | jim | rbochan: seek out gary willis stuff, you'll see what I mean :) |
| 00:53.44 | rbochan | will do |
| 00:54.06 | jim | it's like jaco with BALLS |
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| 00:54.22 | rbochan | he looks familiar, can't place the playing though |
| 00:55.01 | Stereo | I have two directories that contain a bunch of files. Some files are in both directories, in different versions, and will have to be merged manually. They do, however, have the same name. Is there an wasy way of listing them? |
| 00:55.28 | foobus | raymond scott is a total wirehead, too. |
| 00:55.28 | rbochan | that made my brane hurt |
| 00:55.43 | jim | rbochan: which tune? |
| 00:55.57 | rbochan | Stereo's question |
| 00:56.10 | rbochan | (sorry Stereo) |
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| 00:56.14 | Stereo | in SQL, I'd write select dir2.name from dir1,dir2 where dir1.name like dir2.name |
| 00:56.21 | Stereo | I'm the one who's sorry, rbochan |
| 00:56.30 | rbochan | just one of those dasy |
| 00:56.33 | rbochan | days even |
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| 00:56.56 | jim | Stereo: so you want to replace the files in dir1 with the same-named files in dir2? |
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| 00:57.04 | Stereo | no no |
| 00:57.07 | Stereo | I want to list them |
| 00:57.13 | Stereo | the rest can go right in dir1 :) |
| 00:57.16 | jim | ohh... |
| 00:57.27 | rbochan | sort of using diff, but on directories? |
| 00:57.33 | Stereo | uh huh |
| 00:57.42 | Stereo | and a diff that finds similarities |
| 00:57.58 | rbochan | if you write one, you can call it simdir |
| 00:58.01 | jim | Stereo: ls dir1 > f1; ls dir2 >f2; diff -u f1 f2 |
| 00:58.03 | Stereo | I can do a ls -l > /tmp/dir1 etc. and do a diff on that |
| 00:58.08 | Stereo | yeah |
| 00:58.17 | Stereo | that'll find differences |
| 00:58.21 | Stereo | I want similarities |
| 00:58.27 | jim | that's what you want, right? |
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| 00:58.36 | jim | oic |
| 00:58.45 | ethics | modified time match? |
| 00:59.02 | Stereo | plus, this will find dir1/foo/bar and dir2/baz/bar |
| 00:59.19 | Stereo | times are all over the place. File names are all I have, really |
| 00:59.23 | jim | and you want that too? |
| 00:59.41 | ethics | md5 sum the files? |
| 00:59.43 | Stereo | no, I don't want bar in this case |
| 00:59.44 | rbochan | I'll do it manually for $5/ half-hour ;o) |
| 00:59.48 | rbochan | er.. $45 |
| 00:59.53 | Stereo | heh |
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| 01:00.06 | Overand | alright, if i want to access files from my debian box on a windows box, should i go for an NFS client on windows, or a samba server on the debian box? |
| 01:00.08 | jim | do you only want dir1/BUH/bar and dir2/BUH/bar? |
| 01:00.10 | Stereo | yeah, a hash of the files might be a good idea |
| 01:00.14 | Overand | I suck at setting up samba |
| 01:00.17 | Stereo | yes |
| 01:00.41 | ethics | Overand, prolly samba |
| 01:00.48 | Stereo | Overand: nfs sucks at being set up. You can always get better at samba. |
| 01:01.01 | Overand | Stereo: i have nfs set up exporting what i need, on the debian box |
| 01:01.08 | foobus | less cpu?: ls dir1 dir2 | sort | uniq -d |
| 01:01.12 | Overand | i've never managed to get samba sharing working well |
| 01:01.16 | Overand | i mean client, sure |
| 01:01.27 | rbochan | Overand: install swat ..easy setup of smaba |
| 01:01.31 | Stereo | I could use find instead of ls to get the full paths |
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| 01:01.54 | Overand | rbochan: interesting, thanks |
| 01:02.02 | rbochan | web gui for the config |
| 01:02.05 | Stereo | thank you foobus, that should do it |
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| 01:02.56 | rbochan | Overand: swat is kind of cool in that it gives you a little pop-up help thingie available for each and every step |
| 01:03.07 | foobus | np |
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| 01:04.37 | Stereo | woo! |
| 01:04.38 | rbochan | or it used to anyway |
| 01:04.39 | Stereo | that did it |
| 01:05.19 | Overand | how can i remove a pending package installation? |
| 01:05.30 | foobus | heh |
| 01:06.10 | rbochan | ctrl+c? |
| 01:06.23 | metaperl | how can I get mplayer for debian? |
| 01:06.23 | Overand | that's the problem, heh |
| 01:06.28 | rbochan | !mplayer |
| 01:06.29 | dpkg | well, mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 01:06.30 | Overand | i did a control+c |
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| 01:07.08 | Pryon | Overand: finish the install then remove |
| 01:07.17 | rbochan | Overand: apt-get clean/autoclean? |
| 01:07.35 | rbochan | or what Pryon said |
| 01:07.44 | Overand | heh |
| 01:08.47 | jetx | what is /var/log/lastlog ... it seems to be binary, i can't read it. |
| 01:09.05 | rbochan | it shows whoh logged in and when |
| 01:09.10 | rbochan | try: last |
| 01:09.15 | jetx | ahh thankee |
| 01:09.19 | rbochan | de nada |
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| 01:11.45 | rbochan | later taters |
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| 01:16.30 | theboneman | hello |
| 01:16.42 | theboneman | i just got done installing debian |
| 01:16.44 | theboneman | theboneman:/home/tbm/psptoolchain# ./toolchain.sh |
| 01:16.45 | theboneman | ./toolchain.sh: line 35: gmake: command not found |
| 01:16.45 | theboneman | ./toolchain.sh: line 38: make: command not found |
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| 01:18.05 | iostream | theboneman: what are you trying to do? |
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| 01:18.23 | theboneman | iostream, install this tool chain |
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| 01:19.14 | deadcat | theboneman: install build-essential |
| 01:19.17 | iostream | theboneman: Okay, I don't know what it is. But it looks like it is missing make, try apt-get install make as root |
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| 01:19.30 | ColonelKernel | can anyone tell me why vesafb loads automatically? I sure would like to prevent this |
| 01:19.44 | deadcat | ColonelKernel: your vga is set? |
| 01:19.48 | theboneman | i did apt-get install make but ill do build essential |
| 01:19.50 | theboneman | thanks guys :) |
| 01:19.54 | theboneman | jk :X |
| 01:20.10 | ColonelKernel | deadcat, im using the latest nvidia driver - sarge seems to loadvesafb and a couple other things related to it automatically |
| 01:20.40 | deadcat | ColonelKernel: set your vga=normal maybe |
| 01:20.55 | ColonelKernel | deadcat, how do I do that? |
| 01:21.03 | deadcat | ColonelKernel: in your bootloader config file |
| 01:21.15 | ColonelKernel | deadcat, and what would that be? |
| 01:21.39 | chealer | ColonelKernel: it's in the default 2.6 initrd |
| 01:21.48 | deadcat | ColonelKernel: how the hell do i know. its not my machine. |
| 01:21.57 | ethics | /boot/grub/menu.lst prolly |
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| 01:22.06 | chealer | it's not related to nvidia. nvidia make rivafb |
| 01:22.14 | chealer | (IIRC) |
| 01:22.34 | ColonelKernel | nothing in there about vga |
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| 01:23.22 | deadcat | ColonelKernel: search for kopt, and put vga=normal to the end of that file |
| 01:23.25 | deadcat | then update-grub |
| 01:23.34 | Joslyn | How do I do put my computer to sleep using ACPI? |
| 01:23.47 | cat | what's this packaged to download, so i can used my mouse on terminals? |
| 01:23.56 | liable | gpm |
| 01:23.57 | chealer | cat: gpm |
| 01:24.41 | deadcat | Joslyn: pray |
| 01:24.43 | ColonelKernel | /usr/share/man/man2/getsockopt.2.gz |
| 01:24.43 | ColonelKernel | /usr/share/man/man2/setsockopt.2.gz |
| 01:24.54 | ColonelKernel | thats all i got searching for kopt |
| 01:25.10 | deadcat | concu: in menu.lst |
| 01:25.30 | xoz | ColonelKernel: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:25.51 | Overand | I need a hand configuring SWAT |
| 01:26.14 | Overand | no i don't, nevermind |
| 01:26.20 | cat | thnx, ;P |
| 01:27.06 | deadcat | Overand: you want me to cut it off? |
| 01:27.27 | ColonelKernel | kopt=vga=normal ? |
| 01:27.36 | xoz | yep |
| 01:27.37 | ColonelKernel | thats what im lookin to put in there? |
| 01:27.41 | ColonelKernel | thanks xoz |
| 01:27.42 | deadcat | # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=791 splash=silent |
| 01:27.56 | deadcat | ColonelKernel: thats my line. |
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| 01:28.05 | chealer | ColonelKernel: no, kernel options won't help you |
| 01:28.09 | ColonelKernel | what is vga=791? |
| 01:28.26 | deadcat | ColonelKernel: listen to chealer |
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| 01:28.34 | ColonelKernel | chealer, how do I prevent the vesafb module from loafing? |
| 01:28.37 | ColonelKernel | laoding? |
| 01:28.44 | ColonelKernel | DAMNIT - loading |
| 01:29.11 | xoz | ColonelKernel: or else, make your own colornel not compiling vesafb |
| 01:29.17 | xoz | *kernel* |
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| 01:29.37 | deadcat | anyone familiar with fucking mod_rewrite? i dont know where to put the options. i want to make localhost:8081 (webcam image) to be localhost/webcam.jpg (port80) |
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| 01:29.46 | ColonelKernel | compile my own kernel it is |
| 01:29.52 | ColonelKernel | I like doing that |
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| 01:30.06 | chealer | ColonelKernel: you generate a vesafb-less initrd |
| 01:30.12 | ColonelKernel | no point in using stock kernel if its gonna do silly things like that |
| 01:30.15 | xoz | ColonelKernel: or you can play with initrd image |
| 01:30.16 | deadcat | ColonelKernel: did you know what you were doing? |
| 01:30.32 | ColonelKernel | deadcat, im using the stock one now |
| 01:30.36 | xoz | ColonelKernel: it's the initrd that loads it |
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| 01:30.44 | xoz | ColonelKernel: man mkinitrd |
| 01:30.54 | trave11er | ColonelKernel: which kernel is that? |
| 01:31.04 | deadcat | strange. people can compile a kernel but dont even know what loader they using... |
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| 01:31.09 | deadcat | sad... |
| 01:31.15 | ColonelKernel | Linux p4ht 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Thu May 19 17:27:55 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:31.42 | sabot4ge | hail all |
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| 01:32.12 | trave11er | ColonelKernel: try removing /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/initrd/vesafb.ko and running dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 01:32.19 | rixth | If I want to patch my kernel source, what do I have to patch it against? I haev this source linux-2.6.12.tar.bz2 (or thats the file I downloaded) |
| 01:32.20 | xoz | stupid logic |
| 01:32.29 | ColonelKernel | trave11er, ok |
| 01:32.31 | trave11er | that should generate initrd without vesafb module |
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| 01:33.27 | xoz | ColonelKernel: edit /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 01:33.30 | liable | rixth: uncompress it, and patch it. |
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| 01:34.17 | ColonelKernel | nothing in that file but comments xoz |
| 01:34.36 | rixth | liable: so the patches for 2.6.12.2 will apply cleanly on 2.6.12? |
| 01:35.11 | ColonelKernel | brb |
| 01:35.25 | liable | rixth: erm, I have no idea. Is there one for 2.6.12.2? |
| 01:35.29 | metaperl | shouldn't I be able to mount an audio cd? |
| 01:35.36 | metaperl | I want to rip it |
| 01:35.43 | trave11er | rixth: changes between 2.6.12 and 2.6.12.2 are pretty minor |
| 01:35.44 | deadcat | metaperl: let us know |
| 01:35.47 | rixth | One way to find out! |
| 01:36.01 | trave11er | metaperl: no, you don't mount audio cds |
| 01:36.11 | trave11er | metaperl: use cdparanoia |
| 01:36.26 | metaperl | but how can I rip it? trave11er is there a gui ripper? grip I like... |
| 01:36.32 | metaperl | but they can't read /dev/cdrom |
| 01:36.45 | trave11er | metaperl: there are probably graphical frontends to cdparanoia |
| 01:36.59 | xoz | apt-cache search ripper |
| 01:37.04 | trave11er | metaperl: that probably means that you have incorrect permissions on it |
| 01:37.16 | Overand | how the heck do i *use* swat? |
| 01:37.23 | Overand | i logged in as a normal user and i get nothign but status info |
| 01:37.26 | Overand | and i can't log out |
| 01:37.35 | trave11er | metaperl: you either need to fix permissions or (not recommended!) run ripping proggie as root |
| 01:37.38 | xoz | metaperl: apt-cache search ripper and pick your choice |
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| 01:37.49 | metaperl | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Jun 30 08:39 /dev/cdrom -> hdc |
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| 01:37.53 | liable | Overand: shut the browser, then log in as root |
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| 01:38.01 | metaperl | should I make /dev/cdrom in audio group? |
| 01:38.10 | metaperl | I am a member of the audio group |
| 01:38.10 | trave11er | metaperl: what are /dev/hdc permissions |
| 01:38.10 | liable | Overand: or restart inetd/xinetd |
| 01:38.24 | xoz | metaperl: adduser <user> audio |
| 01:38.30 | liable | metaperl: add yourself to cdrom group |
| 01:38.31 | metaperl | trave11er: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 Jun 30 08:39 /dev/hdc |
| 01:38.33 | Overand | it doesn't appear to have set a cookie, odd |
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| 01:38.35 | metaperl | ah |
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| 01:38.38 | metaperl | chill |
| 01:38.39 | xoz | metaperl: adduser <user> cdrom |
| 01:38.39 | metaperl | ok |
| 01:38.42 | trave11er | metaperl: yeah, cdrom group it is |
| 01:38.47 | Overand | restarting inetd doesn't do it |
| 01:38.50 | nornagon | how do I prevent debian from loading prism54 at startup? |
| 01:38.58 | nornagon | it isn't in /etc/modules. |
| 01:39.01 | xoz | metaperl: logout and login to have the new group |
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| 01:39.31 | theboneman | btw |
| 01:39.39 | theboneman | whats the command to refresh .Xresources |
| 01:39.40 | theboneman | xrdb? |
| 01:39.48 | theboneman | xrdb .Xreosources? |
| 01:39.50 | nornagon | yes. |
| 01:39.54 | xoz | xrdb -merge |
| 01:39.57 | theboneman | ah |
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| 01:40.00 | theboneman | merge .Xresources |
| 01:40.07 | theboneman | or just merg |
| 01:40.09 | theboneman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.25 | quittt | je7 q7e] |
| 01:40.31 | deadcat | theboneman: man rxdb |
| 01:40.34 | xoz | xrdb -merge .Xresources |
| 01:40.50 | rixth | Okay, I have no clue how to patch kernel sources, I've only ever downloaded the full tarball. How do I do it? I have the patch file in /usr/src |
| 01:41.07 | deadcat | rixth: why are you compiling? |
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| 01:41.18 | xoz | rixth: read the readme in the kernel source. it has example. |
| 01:41.24 | nornagon | how do I prevent debian from loading prism54 at startup? It's not in /etc/modules. |
| 01:41.27 | rixth | xoz: okay |
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| 01:41.39 | deadcat | nornagon: /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 01:42.06 | deadcat | anyone familiar with fucking mod_rewrite? i dont know where to put the options. i want to make localhost:8081 (webcam image) to be localhost/webcam.jpg (port80) |
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| 01:42.33 | xoz | deadcat: google has examples |
| 01:42.38 | liable | rixth: man patch |
| 01:42.57 | deadcat | xoz: not really. i dont know where to put the options. the examples doing really help |
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| 01:43.28 | nornagon | deadcat: thanks. |
| 01:43.47 | xoz | !search google about mod_rewrite |
| 01:43.50 | astronut | theboneman: i actually typed /whois modwr before i realized what you were talking about? |
| 01:43.54 | dpkg | Google says about mod_rewrite is at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/httpd-docs/200408.mbox/%3COFA4B08628.0752CE16-ONC1256EED.002F2338-C1256EED.0044C3BD@fra.telekurs.com%3E or http://forums.digitalpoint.com/archive/index.php/t-13830.html or http://drupal.org/node/6945 or http://pc8.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/php/1061891672/l50 or http://pc8.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/php/1061891672/ |
| 01:43.56 | theboneman | brb |
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| 01:44.11 | ColonelKernel | im having some problems with sound and tvtime |
| 01:44.23 | ColonelKernel | mixer: Can't open device /dev/mixer, mixer volume and mute unavailable. |
| 01:44.45 | deadcat | xoz: i was hoping for some real settings by real users. not those choppy shits from examples |
| 01:45.37 | xoz | deadcat: what about apache docs? |
| 01:46.10 | deadcat | xoz: nope. it doesnt tell me where to put the tags. just giving me the tags as examples |
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| 01:47.56 | quittt | I've got a message on boot with something related with /var/lock but it doesnt make sense because I cant read it |
| 01:47.58 | quittt | how do I read it? |
| 01:48.59 | deadcat | thats a dir |
| 01:49.00 | ColonelKernel | can anyone help me get tvtime working correctly? |
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| 01:49.47 | mfrisch | I HATE grub. |
| 01:50.01 | deadcat | mfrisch: release your anger my son |
| 01:50.20 | mfrisch | deadcat AAH :)~ |
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| 01:50.44 | mfrisch | does anyone grok dhcp? |
| 01:51.04 | cmatheson | hey, i'm running the debian package for snes9x, but the sound quality seems to suck on some games (e.g. zelda), any way to fix that? |
| 01:51.04 | jim | !smart questions |
| 01:51.05 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 01:51.37 | deadcat | jim: more like 'clear question' |
| 01:51.49 | ColonelKernel | got it |
| 01:51.57 | ColonelKernel | /dev/,static/mixer |
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| 01:52.09 | ColonelKernel | no thats not it either |
| 01:52.13 | ColonelKernel | great |
| 01:52.17 | jim | !clear question |
| 01:52.23 | deadcat | !win concept10 |
| 01:52.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, concept10! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 01:52.26 | jim | hmm, nothing there |
| 01:52.30 | deadcat | !win ColonelKernel |
| 01:52.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, ColonelKernel! You have won a one way ticket to Cuba! |
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| 01:52.47 | ColonelKernel | Please? |
| 01:52.49 | ColonelKernel | anyone? |
| 01:53.04 | caphuso | ColonelKernel: stop being annoying |
| 01:53.09 | mfrisch | ColonelKernel whats tvtime? |
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| 01:53.21 | ColonelKernel | mfrisch, a tv viewing application |
| 01:53.35 | nornagon | I have a 3.1r0a disk. I'm editing my sources.list, should I be using 'stable' or 'sarge'? |
| 01:53.38 | mfrisch | ColonelKernel v4l device? |
| 01:53.39 | Teufel | if I want mysql on my computer do I just do an apt-get install mysql? or is there like a version number I need ? |
| 01:53.45 | ColonelKernel | for some reason it either cant find or cant access the sound mixer device |
| 01:53.53 | liable | nornagon: either. |
| 01:54.06 | far | Hello, how can I reinstall the configuration files of program nistalled by using apt-get ? |
| 01:54.13 | nornagon | liable: O_o are they symlinked or something? |
| 01:54.13 | trave11er | ColonelKernel: are permission on mixer correct? |
| 01:54.16 | ColonelKernel | mfrisch, yrs, but v4l works fine |
| 01:54.26 | ColonelKernel | trave11er, I dont think I HAVE a /dev/mixer |
| 01:54.30 | jim | nornagon: if you want control over what happens when stable stops being stable (or similar), use the codenames |
| 01:54.45 | ColonelKernel | ls: /dev/mixer: No such file or directory |
| 01:55.08 | nornagon | Considering the length of time it took for sarge to become stable, I'll take my chances with 'stable'/ |
| 01:55.20 | trave11er | ColonelKernel: do you have your sound card drivers loaded? are you using alsa? is snd_mixer_oss loaded, if that's the case? |
| 01:55.30 | mfrisch | ColonelKernel there are many others. If you want the bells and whistles mythtv. Does your mixer app work? |
| 01:55.32 | ColonelKernel | I am using alsa |
| 01:55.36 | ColonelKernel | let me check the modules |
| 01:55.46 | ColonelKernel | mfrisch, mixer app works just fine |
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| 01:56.46 | Teufel | Does anyone know if there isa program that works like Expose on macs, for fluxbox? |
| 01:57.21 | jim | Teufel: maybe people don't know what any mac apps do |
| 01:57.50 | jim | Teufel: so it doesn't make sense to make that comparison, at least not here :) |
| 01:58.19 | Teufel | jim: it's a pretty popular feature, I have never used osx and I know what it is... but anyway, expose is where you can put your mouse on different corners of the screen and it will sort out windows for you and junk |
| 01:58.54 | nevyn | expose is a feature where you can press a key combination and see every open window on the screen at once. |
| 01:59.07 | mfrisch | ColonelKernel I thinks its the app. even mplayer will play tv. |
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| 01:59.21 | jim | so it retiles all app and finder windows? |
| 01:59.22 | cmatheson | what's up w/ gnome-vfs-daemon? is that part of nautilus? |
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| 01:59.45 | ColonelKernel | trave11er, that was it, needed to load snd_mixer_oss |
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| 02:00.17 | foobus | expose: expose the desktop in one corner, start screen saver in another, show selectable miniatures of currently focussed apps' windows, show selectable miniatures of all open windows. |
| 02:00.19 | trave11er | cool |
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| 02:00.25 | far | Is it possible to reinstall the default configuration ? ( i have uninstalled and installed the package but it doesn't create the new conf ) |
| 02:00.37 | jim | ColonelKernel: if you're going with alsa, you may wish to try to break ties with oss emulation |
| 02:00.45 | ColonelKernel | traveller - so I just add that to /etc/modules now? |
| 02:00.48 | mfrisch | far apt-get install --reinstall package |
| 02:00.49 | Teufel | Is there a program that works like Expose for fluxbox? |
| 02:00.50 | foobus | all oglified... |
| 02:00.59 | far | mfrisch, will try , thank you |
| 02:01.00 | torrent_masters | ok how do i tell what distro my debian is? i have debian 3.0 on a new server and am trying to config my apt-get sources.list |
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| 02:01.06 | trave11er | ColonelKernel: yep |
| 02:01.09 | ColonelKernel | jim, sure, as soon as I can get /dev/mixer working with alsa - which is seems to do in fedora |
| 02:01.09 | liable | far: --purge it, then reinstall |
| 02:01.19 | foobus | cat /etc/debian<TAB> |
| 02:01.19 | far | ok |
| 02:01.24 | jim | ColonelKernel: use alsamixer |
| 02:01.24 | far | thank you |
| 02:01.43 | ColonelKernel | jim its not the system mixer but the programs that tie into it |
| 02:01.58 | jim | so tell them to use alsa too :) |
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| 02:02.35 | ColonelKernel | jim, how do I tell tvtime to use alsa? |
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| 02:02.37 | mfrisch | dhcp. address range not on net... |
| 02:02.58 | torrent_masters | er any clue guys? sorry to bother >.< |
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| 02:03.35 | trave11er | torrent_masters: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:03.40 | torrent_masters | ahh thanx |
| 02:04.00 | torrent_masters | o.O |
| 02:04.11 | jim | ColonelKernel: never used tvtime |
| 02:04.34 | jim | cat /etc/debian_version doesn't say o.O |
| 02:04.43 | torrent_masters | its 3.1 it says so what sources should i use for the apt-get sources list? or is there somewhere that lists this? i was looking at the howto on the debian.org page on the pat-howto but its not fully clear.. |
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| 02:04.53 | torrent_masters | jim that says 3.1 for me |
| 02:05.07 | torrent_masters | so im asumming its sarge 3.1 doesnt say what kind though right |
| 02:05.09 | jim | torrent_masters: 3.1 is sarge |
| 02:05.16 | trave11er | torrent_masters: 3.1 is current stable, aka sarge |
| 02:05.24 | Teufel | I am using wu-ftpd as a ftp daemon... but where can I change the option of what directory a person starts at when they connect via ftp-server? |
| 02:05.31 | torrent_masters | ya but could be say progeny or adamantium or what no? |
| 02:05.32 | ColonelKernel | the volume control applet finds no mixer either |
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| 02:05.42 | ColonelKernel | so what has happened to the mixer in sarge? |
| 02:05.55 | trave11er | ColonelKernel: you still don't have a mixer device? |
| 02:06.38 | ColonelKernel | trave11er, the other apps, like applications/multimedia/volume control say no mixer device found |
| 02:06.52 | jim | torrent_masters: yes, it could... but there's no official debian mirror that has both debian and some debian-based distro |
| 02:07.06 | trave11er | ColonelKernel: do you have /dev/mixer after you've loaded this module? |
| 02:07.23 | ColonelKernel | trave11er, no |
| 02:07.31 | torrent_masters | jim so your saying it must be normal debian? lol |
| 02:07.37 | trave11er | ColonelKernel: cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV mixer |
| 02:07.45 | torrent_masters | well im sure your right its at a datacenter so im sure they are lazy |
| 02:08.01 | jim | torrent_masters: if it's an official debian mirror, yes |
| 02:08.06 | torrent_masters | where can i find those sources and how do i put in the securities sources too |
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| 02:08.19 | ColonelKernel | trave11er, ./MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "mixer" |
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| 02:08.35 | foobus | trave11er, that doesn't work for udev |
| 02:08.54 | trave11er | foobus: it doesn't? darn... |
| 02:09.08 | foobus | udev is "virtual" |
| 02:09.11 | ColonelKernel | im sorry but thats just ridiculous |
| 02:09.29 | FieldySnuts | user error |
| 02:09.33 | ColonelKernel | yeah, sure |
| 02:09.53 | torrent_masters | ok it says: linux testing _sarge_ - official snapshot i386 binary-1 (20050122)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 02:10.23 | jim | torrent_masters: that looks like a cd image |
| 02:10.50 | ColonelKernel | so theres no way to get myself /dev/mixer ? |
| 02:10.58 | jim | torrent_masters: you probably want to comment it out |
| 02:11.17 | torrent_masters | it was so i have to change it to web sources, so im asking which ones should i use? [thanx for the help btw] |
| 02:11.20 | foobus | it worked for me just to "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" |
| 02:11.23 | jim | ColonelKernel: man mknod, look at (kernel source tree)/Documentation/devices.txt |
| 02:11.32 | FieldySnuts | you don't use mknod with udev |
| 02:11.33 | ColonelKernel | no thanks |
| 02:11.34 | jim | ColonelKernel: in either order |
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| 02:11.45 | ColonelKernel | centos it is |
| 02:11.46 | foobus | the devices magically appeared. :) |
| 02:11.53 | jim | then you won't find out how to do this. |
| 02:12.06 | FieldySnuts | you're right, he won't, when you tell him the wrong thing |
| 02:12.07 | torrent_masters | would that just be http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free ? |
| 02:12.08 | jim | YOU JUST ASKED how, too. |
| 02:12.12 | ColonelKernel | jim, im sorry but I shouldnt HAVE to do this |
| 02:12.17 | jim | bullshit |
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| 02:12.27 | jim | we shouldn't have to do it for you |
| 02:12.28 | FieldySnuts | i sense the Windows in this young one is strong |
| 02:12.33 | ColonelKernel | this should be working, like it does in every other distro ive used |
| 02:12.36 | trave11er | FieldySnuts: you have anything constructive to say? |
| 02:12.36 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate jim |
| 02:12.36 | apt | jim: hi every1 how does I run teh quake3 lol |
| 02:12.44 | jim | then use every other distro |
| 02:12.49 | FieldySnuts | trave11er: yes, paste this: /ignore FieldySnuts*!*@* all |
| 02:12.54 | ColonelKernel | Jim - cool |
| 02:13.05 | trave11er | FieldySnuts: unfortunately, this is not constructive |
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| 02:13.11 | mfrisch | ColonelKernel set up mplayer or better mythtv |
| 02:13.28 | ColonelKernel | mfrisch, no thanks |
| 02:13.32 | jim | if you act like that towards me, you owe me money. |
| 02:14.05 | ColonelKernel | jim, it aint my fault the distro aint set up correctly. |
| 02:14.10 | ColonelKernel | anyhow |
| 02:14.13 | FieldySnuts | user error |
| 02:14.17 | ColonelKernel | yeah, right |
| 02:14.18 | FieldySnuts | funny how no one else has the issue |
| 02:14.23 | ColonelKernel | yeah, funny |
| 02:14.24 | jim | yeah. right. |
| 02:14.31 | ColonelKernel | ill tell you what |
| 02:14.36 | FieldySnuts | no you won't. bbl |
| 02:14.38 | liable | yes blame the distro, not the monkey at the keyboard :P |
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| 02:15.00 | ColonelKernel | yes, its all my fault - even though I didnt mess w the sound at all |
| 02:15.04 | torrent_masters | er |
| 02:15.07 | ColonelKernel | lol |
| 02:15.24 | foobus | phew |
| 02:15.25 | jim | ColonelKernel: read the cited documentation. if you don't, then you are asking for paid support |
| 02:15.34 | GregM | does anyone know a way to force a range of dhcp clients to get a splash screen and all other ips to have normal http access? |
| 02:15.35 | jim | which I will provide by contract only. |
| 02:15.40 | GregM | dnsmasq? |
| 02:15.42 | FieldySnuts | there are an infinate number of monkeys all typing out the script to Hamlet. |
| 02:15.43 | ColonelKernel | jim, im not asking for paid support, especially from you. |
| 02:15.52 | ColonelKernel | have a nice day folks. |
| 02:15.58 | jim | ColonelKernel: then READ THE DOCUMENTATION. |
| 02:16.07 | FieldySnuts | jim: wasting yer time |
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| 02:16.19 | pengo_ | such a helpful bunch |
| 02:16.29 | ColonelKernel | jim, no thanks, i'll use a working distro instead. THanks for the help though. |
| 02:16.35 | jim | good |
| 02:16.37 | trave11er | jim: you know what? udev documentation sucks |
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| 02:16.38 | Vladi_here | i have lspci : Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) how to get it working, no sound |
| 02:16.38 | FieldySnuts | helpful? he won't read the docs. then claims the distro doesn't work. |
| 02:16.45 | FieldySnuts | so sod off. |
| 02:16.46 | liable | trave11er: agreed. |
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| 02:17.19 | FieldySnuts | i'd agree with the guy, if everyone else was having the same issue. something local to him. probably him. |
| 02:17.40 | jim | trave11er: is it that udev itself isn't finished yet? or simple doc issue? |
| 02:17.44 | torrent_masters | ok how about this: is sarge [debian 3.1] just a default distro? i e i can use the default debian.org source links? |
| 02:17.51 | trave11er | and judging by the source of MAKEDEV, it should do the right thing even on udev |
| 02:18.07 | trave11er | hm, he left |
| 02:18.13 | FieldySnuts | thankfully |
| 02:18.14 | trave11er | nice work, people |
| 02:18.28 | FieldySnuts | what is this, liberal night? handhold night? |
| 02:18.34 | FieldySnuts | he wouldn't do what he was told, toobad |
| 02:19.02 | foobus | and filter out all the dead-ends? ha |
| 02:19.03 | pengo | debian: for people who will do what they're told. |
| 02:19.10 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 02:19.44 | trave11er | FieldySnuts: and what did you tell? i cannot seem to find anything in lastlog apart from witty remarks |
| 02:19.59 | caphuso | i wonder if simply loading snd-mixer-oss would have done the trick |
| 02:20.09 | FieldySnuts | trave11er: didn't I suggest you use a certain ignore command? |
| 02:20.10 | jim | trave11er: I've been doing support here since about 4-5 years ago... evidently you have a more light touch admittedly... but he did refuse to learn what is necessary in ANY distro to accomplish not just what he was trying to do then, but also to gain some insite into how devices are allocated and how they communicate with the driver |
| 02:20.12 | trave11er | caphuso: he did load it |
| 02:20.39 | redloff | what is the simpliest way to make uncompressed avi captured from some X display? |
| 02:20.48 | metaperl_vc | umm, I need some serious help. when I rebooted Debian (testing), it could not find my USB mouse... I dont know what to tell xf86config. /dev/mouse is the wrong device, but I dont know how to give it the USB device of my mouse, or detect it |
| 02:20.49 | FieldySnuts | xvidcap (was that the name?) |
| 02:20.57 | FieldySnuts | note your disks have to be VERY very fast to keep up with that |
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| 02:20.58 | trave11er | jim: since he asked the question, I've been googling and reading udev docs, and i don't see a simple solution on how to create a device there |
| 02:21.07 | redloff | FieldySnuts, yes, but it writes to single files |
| 02:21.18 | redloff | then it needs some other app, I can't find |
| 02:21.28 | FieldySnuts | so write a script to restart it and dump to a new file |
| 02:21.37 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hi!! |
| 02:21.39 | Pryon | metaperl_vc: Assuming your USB is configured properly, /dev/input/mice |
| 02:21.43 | FieldySnuts | hug hug |
| 02:21.43 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hello, dahling. |
| 02:21.50 | redloff | FieldySnuts, I don't get it |
| 02:22.06 | jim | once he did that, he lost my support on a moreorless permanent basis anyway, and having him use a different distro is appropriate, since (1) I don't have to support him that way and (2) the distro might do what he wants without him having to learn something |
| 02:22.25 | FieldySnuts | redloff: ok |
| 02:22.25 | liable | !tell metaperl_vc about usbmouse |
| 02:22.28 | redloff | no no, I mean that it writes 150 .xwd files |
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| 02:22.48 | FieldySnuts | if you don't read about its opions and use them yes |
| 02:22.49 | redloff | isn't there any alternative to xvidcap and vncrec? |
| 02:22.50 | jim | and the numbered points are in decreasing order of relevence as far as I'm concerned |
| 02:24.19 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 02:25.55 | Vladi_here | i have lspci : Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) how to get it working, no sound |
| 02:25.57 | Vladi_here | lsmod: |
| 02:25.58 | Vladi_here | snd_pcm_oss 53344 0 |
| 02:26.00 | Vladi_here | snd_pcm 92712 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:26.02 | Vladi_here | snd_timer 24644 1 snd_pcm |
| 02:26.02 | FieldySnuts | stop |
| 02:26.04 | Vladi_here | snd_page_alloc 10020 1 snd_pcm |
| 02:26.05 | Vladi_here | snd_mixer_oss 19872 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:26.07 | Vladi_here | snd 55300 4 snd_pcm_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mixer_oss |
| 02:26.08 | Vladi_here | soundcore 9664 1 snd |
| 02:26.10 | Vladi_here | any links to solve it at least? |
| 02:26.11 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: ping (flooder) |
| 02:26.13 | jim | kick please |
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| 02:26.20 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
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| 02:26.36 | FieldySnuts | i was wondering where debhelper was at |
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| 02:26.53 | foobus | heheh |
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| 02:27.04 | jim | thank you |
| 02:27.12 | redloff | FieldySnuts, ok, I've made xvidcap put it into .avi, but it's compressed |
| 02:27.21 | redloff | I set quality to 100 and compress to 0 |
| 02:27.28 | FieldySnuts | got me then, i don't know |
| 02:27.42 | redloff | pitty |
| 02:27.49 | jim | Vladi_here: now... try putting that stuff on a web page |
| 02:28.09 | FieldySnuts | paste.ca for example |
| 02:28.54 | Vladi_here | jim, ok |
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| 02:29.37 | jim | Vladi_here: in so doing you acknowledge that multiple conversations could be going on here |
| 02:30.02 | foobus | signature___________________________ |
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| 02:30.12 | jim | and that some clients can't scroll back :P |
| 02:30.15 | britt | hey guys do you know how to un-blacklist stuff, as I have a sound driver that is loaded but currently blacklisted and i dont know why |
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| 02:30.49 | jim | so what's this hal thing anyway? |
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| 02:31.23 | FieldySnuts | an annoyance in gnome which causes confusion and further bloat |
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| 02:31.33 | FieldySnuts | er, gnome can use it. i think it's seperate. |
| 02:31.42 | jim | hardware abstraction layer, right? |
| 02:31.50 | FieldySnuts | hardware annoyance layer |
| 02:31.55 | foobus | britt: look in /etc/hotplug/ |
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| 02:32.30 | mjc | FieldySnuts: I second that |
| 02:32.31 | redloff | thx and bye |
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| 02:32.54 | thingfish | heuristically algo-logorithmic |
| 02:33.07 | zoomnap | I'm trying to run chntpw, but every time I load the hive I need to, it says it's a nk node. Any ideas? I'm loading /mnt/c/windows/system32/config/SYSTEM |
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| 02:33.35 | FieldySnuts | never heard of those commands |
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| 02:33.50 | jim | hives make my skin crawl... |
| 02:33.53 | Pryon | hive? |
| 02:34.01 | Pryon | good in nethack, bad in RL |
| 02:34.14 | britt | foobus: thanks....it found a certain cs4232 module but it was blacklisted |
| 02:34.21 | Pryon | Unless you're a beekeeper, I suppose. |
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| 02:35.54 | metaperl_vc | i'm going home to try to bring up X, but in case I can't what is a dead-simple text-based IRC client that ships with debian? |
| 02:36.08 | Pryon | epic |
| 02:36.12 | metaperl_vc | Pryon: thanks |
| 02:36.13 | Guerin | metaperl_vc: there isn't one |
| 02:36.14 | Guerin | no |
| 02:36.19 | Guerin | irssi-text |
| 02:36.26 | Pryon | epic4 is the package name |
| 02:36.34 | metaperl_vc | there are the xemacs one as well... but Ok between those two I should make it |
| 02:36.39 | britt | i'm running irssi-text |
| 02:36.39 | FieldySnuts | epic isn't simple, damn irritating to set up the first time and use actually |
| 02:36.48 | Guerin | debian base doesn't include an irc clipent; there's no point in downloading any client other than irssi |
| 02:36.52 | jim | metaperl_vc: I dont' think there's any really good irc client |
| 02:37.12 | FieldySnuts | telnet irc-server-hostname 6667 |
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| 02:37.38 | jim | and read the matrix in raw mode... |
| 02:37.44 | pengo | x-chat if you're using X |
| 02:37.51 | FieldySnuts | he said simple |
| 02:37.56 | Guerin | pengo: read the question. |
| 02:38.05 | metaperl_vc | I use kvirc when I have X... but I am trying to rescuscitate X on my box |
| 02:38.24 | Guerin | jesus, kvirc |
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| 02:38.31 | metaperl_vc | ok, see you cats in a few... kvirc 0wnz |
| 02:38.33 | Guerin | all the kde irc clients are utterly abysmal |
| 02:38.37 | metaperl_vc | I like the window tiling feature |
| 02:38.38 | FieldySnuts | most kde apps are |
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| 02:38.57 | metaperl_vc | any others do window tiling? |
| 02:39.04 | Guerin | irssi does |
| 02:39.06 | metaperl_vc | so you can see what is happening in many channels at once |
| 02:39.09 | Pryon_epic | Hmmm. 'apt-get install epic4' + 'epic4 Pryon_epic irc.freenode.net' == not simple? |
| 02:39.28 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 02:41.07 | ookii | is azureus the client to use in linux, or is there a better one? |
| 02:41.11 | ookii | for bt of course |
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| 02:41.19 | torrent_masters | az is the shit |
| 02:41.21 | torrent_masters | also |
| 02:41.23 | Guerin | ookii: azureus is potentially the worst irc client there is |
| 02:41.28 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:41.29 | torrent_masters | btdownloadcurses.bittornado |
| 02:41.29 | ZeXr0 | well bittorrent itself is good in console |
| 02:41.31 | Guerin | bittrrent |
| 02:41.38 | torrent_masters | that just means you cant config it guerin |
| 02:41.40 | Guerin | bittornado is better |
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| 02:41.49 | zoomnap | BitTornado is a lot more stable than Azureus for me. |
| 02:41.49 | ookii | i don't get why azureus isn't on any apt repository i can find |
| 02:41.50 | torrent_masters | . |
| 02:42.02 | FieldySnuts | because of it's license, gpl-2 BSD |
| 02:42.10 | ookii | ah, how about them apples |
| 02:42.13 | Guerin | torrent_masters: no, it means a) it needs java and b) it wastes phenomenal amounts of ram and cpu |
| 02:42.24 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 02:42.34 | ookii | Guerin: bittorando is straight c right, or is it python? |
| 02:42.39 | Guerin | i use rtorrent and libtorrent |
| 02:42.41 | Guerin | ookii: python |
| 02:43.15 | ookii | azureus has that awesome interface though, well i guess my questions are answered though |
| 02:43.17 | Guerin | rtorrent is c++, and it's damn light on the cpu and ram - far better than either bittornado or bittorrent |
| 02:44.09 | Guerin | btdownloadmanycurses is the one to use |
| 02:44.13 | kenk | i hv fiddled with the XF86Config-4 file and now the system come up without any display, can't even enter command-line mode. Previously, I faced this situation before but resolved it by booting the system w a rescue floppy. But I hv lost that floppy. Any suggestion to the quickest way to bring the system up again? All I need iw to be able to edit the XF86Config-4 file. |
| 02:44.21 | FieldySnuts | wtf is hv, spell |
| 02:44.31 | Guerin | put torrents in a dir, it starts them ... delete the torrents, it stops them |
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| 02:45.06 | Guerin | kenk: ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 02:45.13 | ookii | Guerin: lol, a little hardcore, don't think i'm downloading that much |
| 02:45.19 | kenk | FieldySnuts, hv is short for 'have' |
| 02:45.28 | Guerin | ookii: works for one torrent as well as it does for 100 |
| 02:45.29 | FieldySnuts | short for "i'm a moron and can't communicate" |
| 02:45.59 | kenk | Guerin, should it be F1, i have tried that. |
| 02:46.15 | Guerin | kenk: f1-6 should all get you a console of some kind |
| 02:46.32 | Guerin | kenk: otherwise, try booting with init=bin/sh on the end of your kernel arg line |
| 02:46.42 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:47.39 | ookii | Guerin: what is the c++ one called, rtorrent? |
| 02:47.45 | kenk | Guerin, you mean in response to "boot: " enter the /bin/sh stuff? |
| 02:50.44 | Guerin | kenk: in grub's menu.lst it's the line starting with 'kernel' - just tage 'single' or 'init=/bin/sh' on the eng |
| 02:50.58 | Guerin | ookii: rtorrent - it's not in debian but it builds cleanly. |
| 02:51.17 | Guerin | ookii: unless you're confident building your own debian packages i'd suggest bittornado |
| 02:51.18 | FieldySnuts | ~prise Guerin |
| 02:51.27 | torrent_masters | 0% [Connecting to http.us.debian.org] [Connecting to non-us.debian.org] [Connecting to security.debian.org] |
| 02:51.35 | kenk | Guerin, I am using lilo. |
| 02:51.36 | torrent_masters | :/ |
| 02:52.09 | Guerin | kenk: the line is pretty easy to identify - read your lilo.conf, edit it and rerun lilo |
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| 02:52.37 | liable | what about just using the rescue mode option. |
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| 02:52.53 | Guerin | liable: does lilo do those? |
| 02:53.05 | liable | Guerin: not sure about lilo actually. |
| 02:53.10 | kenk | Guerin, have no screen, edit is out. |
| 02:53.24 | pressure_man | does debian use udev by default if i a do a 'linux26' install? |
| 02:53.29 | jim | boot-floppies used to be the debian installer before debian-installer... it had a set of rescue tools |
| 02:53.34 | torrent_masters | so i tried to make those sources work and they dont seem to. what could i be doing wrong? would someone mind looking at what i made my apt-get file? |
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| 02:53.43 | jim | does debian-installer also have soemthing like that? |
| 02:53.47 | Guerin | kenk: oh. try to edit on boot. I think you can if you hold down shift at boot, or something. |
| 02:53.51 | kenk | Guerin, i know what you mean, before the boot starts, there's a "boot:" prompt. |
| 02:54.12 | zoomnap | I'm trying to run chntpw, but every time I load the hive I need to, it says it's a nk node. Any ideas? I'm loading /mnt/c/windows/system32/config/SYSTEM. No the hive is not a beehive, It's a windows registry hive ;p |
| 02:54.13 | Guerin | kenk: or shell into that machine and do telinit 1 |
| 02:54.33 | Guerin | kenk: since you clearly have another box available |
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| 02:55.36 | Transitdk | Hi, I'm trying to apt-get php4, and it is saying that it needs libmm11 but that package is not installable, what should I do? |
| 02:55.37 | kenk | Guerin, i am a dual os sys. that is why i can still chat now, on Window. I have a prog 'expore2fs'but it can read-only my Linux FS. Any such prog (free) which can write too? |
| 02:55.52 | Guerin | kenk: dunno. |
| 02:56.03 | trave11er | zoomnap: it might be that nobody has any idea what you are talking about |
| 02:56.15 | trave11er | zoomnap: i never heard of chnptw |
| 02:56.15 | Guerin | kenk: still got a debian install cd handy? |
| 02:56.30 | kenk | Guerin, yep. |
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| 02:56.41 | Guerin | kenk: you can use that to get a shell and chroot |
| 02:56.49 | Guerin | kenk: so there's yet another option |
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| 02:56.57 | Transitdk | anyone? |
| 02:57.07 | Guerin | kenk: go with editing your boot stanza first. |
| 02:57.16 | ookii | hey what do i need to download for me to be able to execute a .bin? |
| 02:57.16 | kenk | Guerin, I have tried that previously, but have trouble getting to / FS. |
| 02:57.16 | concept10 | Anyone know to install firefox themes manually? |
| 02:57.17 | Guerin | Transitdk: what branch of debian? |
| 02:57.27 | Guerin | kenk: what trouble? |
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| 02:57.55 | pressure_man | does udev work with stock debian 3.1 kernels? |
| 02:58.04 | Guerin | ookii: depends what the .bin actually is - i can make a shell script, a c executable, a perl file, a word document or anything else into a .bin if i want. |
| 02:58.11 | kenk | Guerin, won't trouble any more. I'll try the two approaches first. thks. |
| 02:58.13 | Transitdk | stable |
| 02:58.23 | nvz | kenk: I don't know that I would trust windows to write to my filesystem |
| 02:58.29 | ookii | Guerin: it's some installation bundle for JRE |
| 02:58.33 | Guerin | Transitdk: are you using any sources that aren't debian stable? |
| 02:58.47 | Transitdk | Guerin: nope |
| 02:58.49 | nvz | windows has no experience writing to a real filesystem :P |
| 02:58.55 | Guerin | ookii: /msg dpkg install java |
| 02:59.08 | Transitdk | Guerin: says the package is referred too, but not found |
| 02:59.10 | Guerin | Transitdk: you lie. php4 installs and works perfectly on debian stable. |
| 02:59.18 | Transitdk | .... |
| 02:59.22 | Transitdk | well I'll try again |
| 02:59.33 | Guerin | Transitdk: what specific line are you using to install? |
| 02:59.37 | Transitdk | sorry, libapache_mod-php4 |
| 02:59.42 | pressure_man | incredible. 690 people in the channel, and nobody knows anything about udev. |
| 02:59.43 | Transitdk | is the one thats giving me that error |
| 02:59.49 | Guerin | libapache-mod-php4, you mean |
| 02:59.52 | Transitdk | yes |
| 03:00.13 | Guerin | what version is it, and what specific error do you get when it can't find that package? |
| 03:00.26 | VolVE | hey all, can someone remind me the steps to get X setup on a new, bare Sarge box? I remember there's a create apt package with most everything, but am not sure... :-/ |
| 03:00.30 | Guerin | pressure_man: stop your whining. |
| 03:00.43 | Transitdk | not sure which version it is... and says: libapache-mod-php4: Depends: libmm11 but is not installable |
| 03:00.47 | Guerin | VolVE: x-window-system |
| 03:01.02 | Guerin | !info libmm11 sarge |
| 03:01.09 | pressure_man | Guerin: this kind of lack of support is why i'm turning to ubuntu. unfortunately i still have to support a few debian boxes. |
| 03:01.24 | Guerin | pressure_man: oh, because #ubuntu knows lots |
| 03:01.40 | pressure_man | well, they're more helpful at least |
| 03:01.46 | Guerin | pressure_man: i don't use udev. I appear to be the only one with clue around at the moment. Have a little patience. |
| 03:01.46 | Transitdk | pressure_man: I wouldn't count on irc as a great source of support, even though you do get some good support sometimes |
| 03:02.13 | VolVE | thanks Guerin |
| 03:02.17 | pressure_man | i guess about 685 of the people here are just idling. |
| 03:02.25 | Transitdk | pressure_man: could be |
| 03:02.34 | Guerin | pressure_man: that's been the case since the year . |
| 03:02.34 | Nigel | whats the best method of creating a backup of a ldap db? |
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| 03:02.57 | Guerin | Transitdk: what version of libapache-mod-php4 are you trying to install? |
| 03:03.03 | pressure_man | i'm just a bit confused because someone in #ubuntu told me that a sarge install with 2.6 kernel selected also used udev as the default |
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| 03:03.14 | liable | pressure_man: yes it does work, do you think it would be in stable if it didnt? |
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| 03:03.19 | Guerin | Transitdk: use apt-cache policy libapache-mod-php4 and look at 'candidate' |
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| 03:03.26 | pressure_man | i installed sarge about two weeks ago, with 2.6, but it didn't use udev. |
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| 03:03.36 | liable | pressure_man: install it. |
| 03:03.40 | metaperl | hooray! /dev/input/mice was the ticket |
| 03:03.50 | metaperl | broadcasting live from konversation instead of a text-client, it's metaperl! |
| 03:03.55 | Guerin | pressure_man: don't listen to people in #ubuntu talking about debian, any more than you would people in #debian talking about ubuntu |
| 03:03.56 | liable | pressure_man: udev > 2.6.7 |
| 03:03.57 | pressure_man | and i'm curious what kind of breakage to expect by coverted a traditional /dev nodes system to udev. |
| 03:04.07 | Transitdk | Guerin: I'm not really sure what that means =/ |
| 03:04.10 | torrent_masters | Temporary failure resolving 'http.us.debian.org' |
| 03:04.10 | torrent_masters | 0% [Connecting to http.us.debian.org] [Connecting to security.debian.org] |
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| 03:04.38 | Guerin | Transitdk: enter it into a damn shell and tell me what version is listed as the installation candidate |
| 03:04.42 | torrent_masters | this can be caused by a crappy net config? but where do i find it and what am i trying to make it do? |
| 03:04.43 | pressure_man | bearing in mind that i run a software raid1 setup, so i'm asking whether the stock debian initrd can handle udev |
| 03:04.51 | Guerin | Transitdk: fix your dns |
| 03:04.56 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:05.00 | Guerin | torrent_masters: fix your dns |
| 03:05.14 | runedude | hm.. something is wrong |
| 03:05.18 | runedude | 96% [+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ] 685,344,192 --.--K/s |
| 03:05.22 | runedude | And it isnt doing anything else. |
| 03:05.24 | concept10 | Where server is mozillas channel on? |
| 03:05.26 | Transitdk | Guerin: I ment I didn't know what the version ment that came up..... its 4:4.3.11-0.dotdeb.0 |
| 03:05.29 | liable | torrent_masters: can you ping www.google.com? |
| 03:05.36 | runedude | but I can login to ssh via the server . |
| 03:05.41 | Guerin | !moron Transitdk |
| 03:05.41 | torrent_masters | fix my dns? how do i do that? i mean i dont even know where that is sorry Guerin i appreciate the help though :) |
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| 03:05.42 | dpkg | Transitdk: You are moron #12 |
| 03:05.49 | Transitdk | dpkg: oh stfu |
| 03:05.50 | dpkg | stfu is probably Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
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| 03:06.10 | torrent_masters | (liable): when i try to ping it just sits there |
| 03:06.18 | Guerin | Transitdk: i asked you if you had any sources which weren't debian stable, and you told me you didn't. Remove the damn dotdeb source, run apt-get clean and start again. |
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| 03:06.19 | torrent_masters | ping: unknown host www.google.com |
| 03:06.37 | Transitdk | gah |
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| 03:06.45 | liable | torrent_masters: put a nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:06.45 | Transitdk | i hate following guides... |
| 03:06.51 | Guerin | torrent_masters: you don't have any functional dns servers in your resolv.conf file |
| 03:07.03 | torrent_masters | hmm oic |
| 03:07.26 | Guerin | torrent_masters: echo "nameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 03:07.50 | foobus | ack, >> please |
| 03:07.54 | foobus | ... |
| 03:08.00 | deadcat | foobus: too fucking late |
| 03:08.04 | pressure_man | aha.... http://os.newsforge.com/print.pl?sid=04/12/23/2023223 - near the bottom of the page, 'why not using udev by default when user chooses the 2.6 kernel' |
| 03:08.05 | torrent_masters | Guerin why that addy btw? |
| 03:08.15 | Guerin | runedude: sometimes things just lose the plot, it happens. wget will time out after 15 minutes - you might want to kill it and run it again with wget -c |
| 03:08.17 | mike123 | Q: I need to automate a few root privledge commands after a signup of a user via http. How should one go about this? |
| 03:08.23 | pressure_man | MM: A large number of changes have to be made to the init scripts for good udev integration. This is something for the next release after Sarge. |
| 03:08.23 | Guerin | torrent_masters: it's a nameserver which I know works |
| 03:08.35 | runedude | Guerin: i have been. |
| 03:08.37 | foobus | hey, I didn't type an ellipsis. |
| 03:08.39 | Guerin | mike123: one shouldn't. |
| 03:08.42 | runedude | i keep restarting it, Guerin |
| 03:08.57 | Guerin | runedude: maybe the http/ftp server is b0rk3n |
| 03:08.58 | mike123 | Well I need to automate, so its not a question of doing or not doing. |
| 03:09.02 | torrent_masters | now just see if i can ping google again Guerin? |
| 03:09.05 | pressure_man | = probably major breakage to install udev on a box running software md devices |
| 03:09.10 | Guerin | torrent_masters: yeah |
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| 03:09.25 | torrent_masters | \o/ Guerin your the shit :D |
| 03:09.37 | runedude | Guerin: um... shouldnt be, i keep restarting apache on my friends server. |
| 03:09.45 | Guerin | runedude: no idea, then. |
| 03:09.52 | torrent_masters | omfg apt-get update works now too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thankyou lots!!!!! |
| 03:10.14 | Guerin | torrent_masters: you want to get your isp's dns servers, they'll be faster than that one, which is probably about 10,000km away from you |
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| 03:10.27 | runedude | Guerin: what _can_ i do? |
| 03:10.35 | runedude | Guerin: can I um.. resume it with SCP? |
| 03:10.47 | nvz | direction to a default page is controlled by the web server right? like if I want to see http://foobar.net/foo/ the webserver ultimatly controlls what page will be loaded, or if I simply browse the dir? and theres no way to browse if the default page exists? |
| 03:10.52 | Guerin | runedude: read logs on the box, since you clearly have rooot |
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| 03:11.03 | Guerin | nvz: yes. |
| 03:11.05 | runedude | Guerin: ok. |
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| 03:11.55 | Wyzard|TP | nvz: More accurately, if a default page doesn't exist on disk, the webserver (if configured to do so) generates one on the fly, containing a list of the directory's contents |
| 03:12.16 | Guerin | or containing a 403 message |
| 03:12.44 | torrent_masters | ok! now where was that sudo file please? where i set the permissions so i dont have to use root >.< |
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| 03:12.56 | Guerin | torrent_masters: man sudoers |
| 03:12.57 | Wyzard|TP | torrent_masters: /etc/sudoers? |
| 03:13.03 | torrent_masters | ahh ya |
| 03:13.07 | Guerin | don't edit /etc/sudoers |
| 03:13.11 | torrent_masters | sudoers is what its called for that eh |
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| 03:13.18 | torrent_masters | well i need to add a user Guerin |
| 03:13.26 | Guerin | read the manpage or you will certainly fuck something up horribly |
| 03:13.35 | Sykil | Just use visudo |
| 03:13.43 | torrent_masters | hmm no man in there |
| 03:13.52 | Guerin | !installlit |
| 03:13.56 | Guerin | !installit |
| 03:13.56 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 03:13.58 | deadcat | torrent_masters: try woman |
| 03:14.07 | torrent_masters | lol deadcat :D |
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| 03:14.28 | Sykil | visudo won't save if the syntax is incorrect |
| 03:14.46 | nvz | Wyzard|TP: I see. I have been for a long time been making different web related scripts, and they inevitably run into poorly designed sites, dead links, and stupid admins.. so I am trying to make them more aware that the WWW isnt perfect and make them as effecient as possible reguardless of what crap they run into :P |
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| 03:14.57 | torrent_masters | but is there another package? i didnt see sudoers *does visudo while i wait* |
| 03:15.06 | Guerin | which it will be if you type "plx give user: torrent root 4 evrything lol" |
| 03:15.19 | Guerin | torrent_masters: the package is called sudo |
| 03:15.25 | torrent_masters | oh >.< |
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| 03:18.33 | torrent_masters | holy shit there are a lot of options |
| 03:18.39 | torrent_masters | bbl this is gonna take a while :D |
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| 03:21.20 | Torkei | LoL |
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| 03:22.13 | torrent_masters | testing |
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| 03:22.34 | torrent_masters | username all=(all) all |
| 03:22.56 | Guerin | i hope your box is behind a strong router |
| 03:24.17 | Overand | heh |
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| 03:25.20 | brx | I like the smilies. <.< |
| 03:25.20 | exobyte | my system crashed a lot lately. I pulled a hdd, the one that caused errors, and it's working again.. but.. the utility western digital has says the drive is good. the only option I see is overheating. thoughts? |
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| 03:26.39 | Guerin | exobyte: crashing why? |
| 03:26.44 | ninja | ive got an old ass laptop with no cdrom drive (1gig hd 8 meg ram) and i want to install linux, anyideas on how i should go about this? |
| 03:27.00 | ninja | no nic |
| 03:27.03 | Guerin | ninja: get woody bootfloppies |
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| 03:27.06 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:27.11 | Guerin | and get a nic |
| 03:27.11 | darkcmd | hello |
| 03:27.13 | nevyn | usbkey |
| 03:27.21 | torrent_masters | sweet got sudo going! how about a good text based browser ? |
| 03:27.22 | Guerin | yeah, like it has usb |
| 03:27.24 | exobyte | Guerin: dunno. something about a DMA error |
| 03:27.24 | nevyn | usbkey and usb ethernet adapter |
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| 03:27.31 | ninja | yeah the no nic part is a bitch |
| 03:27.35 | nevyn | 1gig hdd? |
| 03:27.38 | nevyn | pcmcia? |
| 03:27.41 | ninja | yeah |
| 03:27.42 | jetx | OMG i have .dll's installed under linux! BLEEEEECH! (w32codecs i reckon) |
| 03:27.42 | ninja | yeah |
| 03:27.44 | exobyte | Guerin: I'm almost positive it's the hdd |
| 03:27.46 | torrent_masters | and how do i look at my system to tell what folder has the big partitions sorry :D |
| 03:27.47 | nevyn | pcmcia nic. |
| 03:27.54 | ninja | i was thinking of tiny |
| 03:27.54 | Guerin | exobyte: run badblocks etc. |
| 03:27.54 | nevyn | USB? |
| 03:27.58 | ninja | no |
| 03:28.13 | exobyte | Guerin: I should do that |
| 03:28.15 | ninja | no pcmcia cards installed |
| 03:28.16 | jetx | !info links |
| 03:28.16 | Guerin | ninja: easiest would be to get a pcmcia nic or an external modem. |
| 03:28.18 | foobus | !tell torrent_masters about links |
| 03:28.21 | dpkg | links: (Character mode WWW browser), section web, is optional. Version: 0.99+1.00pre12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 375 kB, Installed size: 936 kB |
| 03:28.27 | darkcmd | I know xorg for debian is not official... but will putting xorg onto your existing Sarge install, break stuff easily? |
| 03:28.33 | Guerin | darkcmd: yes. |
| 03:28.35 | torrent_masters | yes! that was the one thankyou!! |
| 03:28.39 | exobyte | Guerin: I'm just not sure how reliable the utilities WD provides are |
| 03:28.40 | nevyn | install over SLIP or PPP? |
| 03:28.42 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite darkcmd |
| 03:28.43 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon darkcmd. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:28.59 | MobyTurbo | nevyn: I install over PPP |
| 03:29.06 | darkcmd | MobyTurbo, : I did /msg dpkg xorg |
| 03:29.12 | Guerin | ninja: the other option is to take the drive out and put it in a desktop machine, using a 2.5 -> 3.5 converter |
| 03:29.16 | jetx | torrent_masters: see also lynx and elinks, iirc |
| 03:29.25 | ninja | k thanx all |
| 03:29.25 | nevyn | Guerin: and honestly that's not a bad option |
| 03:29.31 | exobyte | Guerin: I DO know that the drive had problesm at night when I thought it would be cooler |
| 03:29.59 | torrent_masters | thankyou jetx. how do i do a list where i can see what drives // partitions are what size? |
| 03:30.02 | foobus | good news at groklaw, today |
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| 03:30.10 | jetx | i sick of seeing drive seek error x51 or whatever it is, lately |
| 03:30.25 | jetx | on my system |
| 03:30.47 | Guerin | foobus: yeah |
| 03:30.56 | liable | thiagompBR: df |
| 03:31.02 | liable | thiagompBR: sorry |
| 03:31.08 | liable | torrent_masters: df |
| 03:31.12 | thiagompBR | df |
| 03:31.14 | torrent_masters | ok i found that one but how can i tell if the partition i write to is the temp or the big one sorry.. |
| 03:31.20 | jetx | df -h |
| 03:31.24 | torrent_masters | yeah df-h |
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| 03:31.24 | thiagompBR | hi peple |
| 03:31.30 | jetx | space |
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| 03:32.07 | torrent_masters | +space there thankyou.. but i have 2 partitions ok? one is tmpfs and the other is /etc/hda1 |
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| 03:32.27 | jetx | hda1 is the hd |
| 03:32.30 | torrent_masters | right |
| 03:32.57 | jetx | write to? you write to the hd, unless i'm misunderstanding |
| 03:33.07 | torrent_masters | would the user i made [call it user1] would user1 auto use the hdd areas? like if i start a torrent? i was thinking perhaps i should make a folder in there somewhere |
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| 03:33.37 | torrent_masters | just to make sure i write to the big folder not the small one [ small is just few hundred mb ] |
| 03:33.41 | jetx | torrent_masters: have it under the home dir for the user then, /home/whoever/whatever |
| 03:33.47 | jetx | hda1 |
| 03:34.12 | torrent_masters | you in flood jetx? |
| 03:34.17 | jetx | no |
| 03:34.19 | Gnea | hey guys/gals, i'm trying out some ffmpeg stuff, can anyone tell me if this is viewable on multiple players: http://gnea.net/fireworks.mpg |
| 03:34.24 | torrent_masters | mind joining for one sec? |
| 03:34.28 | runedude | I got a question folks, if I download a file partially in "wget" , can I resume it with SCP? |
| 03:35.25 | Wyzard|TP | I don't think scp supports resuming |
| 03:35.33 | exobyte | runedude: sloppy, but you could split it up with dd and cat them together |
| 03:35.40 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: it made my firefox crash ;( |
| 03:35.46 | runedude | Thats too complicated :/ |
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| 03:35.53 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: what plugin are you using? |
| 03:35.56 | runedude | I jsut want to confirm that scp will resume, and not overwrite? |
| 03:35.59 | exobyte | runedude: it's like 4 commands |
| 03:36.21 | Wyzard|TP | runedude: No, it overwrites afaik |
| 03:36.26 | Sykil | It worked in VLC. <3 VLC. |
| 03:36.29 | runedude | It will ? :| |
| 03:36.34 | Guerin | runedude: nope |
| 03:36.35 | Wyzard|TP | Gnea: Plays fine for me in both totem and mplayer |
| 03:36.35 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: mplayer... but has never worked correctly.. |
| 03:36.37 | runedude | hm, well.. Wget seemed to bug. |
| 03:36.54 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: try 'save as...' |
| 03:37.03 | runedude | Hm, one person says "yes, it will overwrite" , andanother person says "no" |
| 03:37.12 | runedude | I _REALLY_ dont want to have to download this file again |
| 03:37.12 | Gnea | runedude: wget -c yada |
| 03:37.25 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: using wget to download.. |
| 03:37.26 | Wyzard|TP | runedude: Make a copy of the partial file, and then try it and see |
| 03:37.26 | Gnea | runedude: if it's an .iso it'll likely corrupt it tho |
| 03:37.27 | Guerin | it will overwrite. |
| 03:37.28 | runedude | Gnea: wget wont work :( |
| 03:37.40 | Guerin | runedude: use another client, like lftp |
| 03:37.41 | Gnea | runedude: what's the error? |
| 03:37.54 | runedude | Gnea: there is no "error".. it just.. almost freezes |
| 03:38.02 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: works for me on gmplayer.. |
| 03:38.02 | kenk | Guerin, boot up with my installation CD, there's a shell (ash) w limited command. How to use chroot to go into my linux fs? |
| 03:38.07 | Gnea | runedude: what are you trying to snag? |
| 03:38.11 | runedude | a iso |
| 03:38.13 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: awesome |
| 03:38.17 | runedude | It's off my friends PC. |
| 03:38.23 | Gnea | yeah i just took that a few minutes ago in my front yard :) |
| 03:38.26 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: You were bored huh? |
| 03:38.28 | runedude | And he's running cable, so I dnt want to have to screw his upload for another day. |
| 03:38.29 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 03:38.41 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: does it have sound? |
| 03:38.56 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: yeah - well i went out and got some fireworks for monday and was testing some out - managed to catch one with motion |
| 03:38.59 | Gnea | nope |
| 03:39.05 | Gnea | although |
| 03:39.07 | Guerin | kenk: mount your root, run chroot /mnt/wherever /bin/bash ; done |
| 03:39.11 | Gnea | it'd be cool if i could put sound to it |
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| 03:39.28 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: I thought my mplayer was trippin.. but nice.. |
| 03:39.32 | runedude | http://pastebin.com/306672 |
| 03:39.35 | runedude | Gnea: ^^ |
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| 03:39.46 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: naw you be trippin lol |
| 03:39.49 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: j/k :) |
| 03:39.59 | kenk | Guerin, i tried mount but my fs is not in fstab. do i have to edit fstab first? |
| 03:40.10 | runedude | Gnea: thats a log of what it said, .. theres nothing at all except for that, it just doesnt output anything different. |
| 03:40.14 | Gnea | runedude: oh man... |
| 03:40.33 | Gnea | runedude: yeah, when it comes to .iso files, get it all in one straight shot otherwise it gets fucked up |
| 03:40.41 | jaymes | anyone got any spare dell laptop video cards laying around? |
| 03:40.48 | runedude | Gnea: what are my options? |
| 03:40.54 | runedude | Must I kill his bandwidth *again* ? |
| 03:40.55 | Gnea | runedude: pardon my english (i've had a few beers tonite :) ) |
| 03:41.03 | runedude | its ok |
| 03:41.04 | Gnea | yes |
| 03:41.07 | Gnea | run it into the ground! |
| 03:41.08 | Gnea | lol |
| 03:41.22 | Gnea | get him to hook you up with a shell and scp it |
| 03:41.23 | runedude | is there anything else I can do? |
| 03:41.26 | liable | runedude: get him to burn it for you :P |
| 03:41.34 | torrent_masters | the database backend locale should be c en_us or en_us.iso88591 ? |
| 03:41.35 | runedude | liable: he lives no where near me |
| 03:41.36 | Gnea | or give him one and scp to you |
| 03:41.49 | runedude | :| |
| 03:41.54 | Gnea | liable: oh yeah, that's a good one ;P |
| 03:41.55 | Guerin | kenk: no, just mount it manually |
| 03:42.05 | torrent_masters | i can change all these later if i need to right? various configs? |
| 03:42.12 | Guerin | kenk: mount -t filesystem /dev/whatever /mnt/wherever |
| 03:42.21 | runedude | Yeah, when I open up a NEW wget session, it works. |
| 03:42.31 | runedude | dangit! |
| 03:42.32 | runedude | Lol |
| 03:42.46 | kenk | Guerin, that mount command that specifies the filetype? |
| 03:42.47 | Gnea | torrent_masters: make it en_us |
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| 03:43.22 | Guerin | kenk: you have to enter the filesystem of that partiton instead of 'filesystem' |
| 03:43.35 | kenk | Guerin, thks a lot. |
| 03:43.59 | torrent_masters | this is awesome! i was able to get debian for my server and it was 3.1 instead of just 3.0! you guys rock!!1 brb :D |
| 03:44.22 | Wyzard|TP | lol |
| 03:44.25 | Sykil | lol |
| 03:44.27 | Sykil | gogosarge |
| 03:44.29 | Wyzard|TP | sarge was released a month ago |
| 03:44.52 | Sykil | I'm using etch now. Too scared to try sid. :x |
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| 03:45.09 | jetx | i'm using sid, etch scares me |
| 03:45.18 | TwistedEmotions | arent etch and sid same thing right now? |
| 03:45.28 | liable | kenk: no |
| 03:45.32 | Sykil | etch is testing; sid is unstable |
| 03:45.32 | liable | er |
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| 03:45.36 | jetx | no, only at the very first |
| 03:45.43 | TwistedEmotions | oh.. just kidding. |
| 03:45.43 | runedude | eh |
| 03:45.46 | jetx | they diverged quickly |
| 03:46.03 | Guerin | jetx: etch scares you? |
| 03:46.10 | TwistedEmotions | etch is boring.. |
| 03:46.19 | Gnea | etch is rather repetative |
| 03:46.24 | Gnea | sarge is rock solid |
| 03:46.27 | TwistedEmotions | It's fun to upgrade and see if your computer still boots.. |
| 03:46.38 | Wyzard|TP | repetitive? |
| 03:46.45 | Gnea | and sid... you never know if the earth is gonna open up and suck you into the sky or not |
| 03:46.50 | moises-l | :'( |
| 03:47.02 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: yeah.. I love it too.. |
| 03:47.09 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: hehehehe |
| 03:47.21 | liable | Gnea: only a few beers? :P |
| 03:47.25 | Gnea | Wyzard|TP: it helps to wait until the whole thing has been said :) |
| 03:47.26 | moises-l | :-( |
| 03:47.30 | Gnea | liable: heh yeah |
| 03:47.37 | Gnea | i have some motor control still |
| 03:47.41 | liable | haha |
| 03:47.46 | Gnea | #) |
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| 03:48.04 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: if you have motor control that means you can drive.. |
| 03:48.47 | Gnea | http://pastebin.com/306674 |
| 03:48.54 | jaymes | heh |
| 03:49.09 | jaymes | I was getting a little testy there |
| 03:49.13 | Gnea | hahaha |
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| 03:49.37 | jaymes | trying to find my router's model # via web interface because I was too lazy to get up & look |
| 03:49.39 | Gnea | fucking wacko! |
| 03:49.42 | Gnea | hehe |
| 03:49.46 | metaperl | what is the most orthodox way to install realplayer10? |
| 03:49.48 | TwistedEmotions | *on |
| 03:49.50 | VolVE | So I installed x-window-system, and that left me with the default window manager of twm, so then I installed xfce4, but I wasn't sure what the command to change the default window manager was, so I simply added /usr/bin/startxfce4 to my ~/.xession file - does that sound right? |
| 03:50.05 | TwistedEmotions | metaperl: Most? Dont install it.. you will shock people! |
| 03:50.12 | Gnea | VolVE: does it work? |
| 03:50.14 | Guerin | hrm, interesting |
| 03:50.23 | metaperl | TwistedEmotions: must have it for amarok to play real media |
| 03:50.30 | Guerin | one of my sid boxen still gives me the 'untrusted packages' spiel, while the other doesn't |
| 03:50.41 | TwistedEmotions | metaperl: Errr... thought it said most unorthodox... |
| 03:50.44 | Guerin | no idea what i've done differently between them |
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| 03:50.46 | foobus | and you fetched the key? |
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| 03:50.55 | Guerin | nope, haven't fetched the key for either |
| 03:50.55 | Gnea | Guerin: untrusted? |
| 03:50.55 | liable | Guerin: update it again. |
| 03:51.00 | Guerin | not manually, anyhow |
| 03:51.07 | TwistedEmotions | metaperl: apt-get install realplayer? |
| 03:51.23 | foobus | huh |
| 03:51.24 | metaperl | apt-cache search real did not show it |
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| 03:51.38 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... I have it as a package.. |
| 03:51.44 | metaperl | E: Couldn't find package realplayer |
| 03:51.47 | torrent_masters | /etc/modprobe.d/isapnp' <<0-== should i keep the one that i already had in there? |
| 03:51.49 | metaperl | from apt-get |
| 03:51.53 | Guerin | don't use realplayer |
| 03:51.59 | torrent_masters | realplayer is crap! |
| 03:52.05 | Guerin | use xine or mplayer with w32codecs |
| 03:52.20 | metaperl | Guerin: amarok uses realplayer to serve real media... i wont use it directly |
| 03:52.25 | metaperl | vlc seems pretty nice |
| 03:52.28 | torrent_masters | mplayer has been nice to me and if on gui gmplayer was nice too |
| 03:52.36 | TwistedEmotions | metaperl: easiers way is to go to www.real.com |
| 03:52.36 | Sykil | Yeah, VLC is leet. |
| 03:52.38 | Guerin | metaperl: amarok is fucking stupid, then. |
| 03:52.40 | metaperl | mplayer is a tuff install with debian |
| 03:52.43 | torrent_masters | metaperl in a windows system? |
| 03:52.46 | torrent_masters | vls is crap too |
| 03:52.50 | torrent_masters | *vlc |
| 03:52.51 | Guerin | vlc is ok, but thridplace to mplayer and xine. |
| 03:52.52 | metaperl | amarok is the amazon.com is media players -- very browsy |
| 03:53.07 | TwistedEmotions | metaperl: and click on instructions... it's retardedly easy |
| 03:53.07 | metaperl | mplayer is a hard road with Debian... |
| 03:53.12 | metaperl | per discussion with dpkg |
| 03:53.13 | VolVE | Gnea: it seems to be working fine, yes - I just wasn't sure if there was anywhere else I had to remove references to twm... |
| 03:53.16 | Sykil | I can't wait until the next version of amaroK. :D |
| 03:53.18 | Guerin | metaperl: not at all. |
| 03:53.20 | Wyzard|TP | amarok is in main... it'd have to be in contrib if it depended on realplayer |
| 03:53.30 | Gnea | VolVE: if it's working then yes, that's the right way :) |
| 03:53.32 | metaperl | TwistedEmotions: I saw install instructions... I just didnt know if there were a package somewhere for me |
| 03:53.42 | VolVE | Gnea: coolbeans, thanks :) |
| 03:53.46 | Gnea | VolVE: np :) |
| 03:53.46 | sagris | I've got a problem getting X to work with a G450, anyone willing to help? :-) |
| 03:53.53 | metaperl | amarok _can_ use realplayer but doesnt have to |
| 03:54.06 | Sykil | amaroK uses engines though |
| 03:54.13 | Sykil | Like gstreamer and xine |
| 03:54.20 | Guerin | xine isn't an engine |
| 03:54.25 | TwistedEmotions | metaperl: just use the instructions... it's the easiest I think... |
| 03:54.26 | Guerin | it's just a damn player |
| 03:54.40 | Sykil | amarok-xine - xine engine for the amaroK audio player |
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| 03:54.48 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:54.52 | Sykil | yeah. :) |
| 03:54.53 | foobus | vroooomom! |
| 03:54.57 | Guerin | that means exactly 0 |
| 03:55.01 | torrent_masters | hmmmmm... *looks for reboot command* |
| 03:55.10 | Sykil | reboot |
| 03:55.22 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: have you seen the movie 12 monkeys? damn thats a winner |
| 03:55.24 | sagris | or shutdown -r now |
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| 03:55.39 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you cant be serious.. that shit sucked |
| 03:55.49 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: its deep man |
| 03:55.55 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: all 12 monkeys can take turns licking my balls.. |
| 03:56.02 | Guerin | fucking hell |
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| 03:56.10 | foobus | can I bring my video camera? |
| 03:56.13 | Wyzard|TP | My brother walked through part of the set while they were filming that |
| 03:56.14 | torrent_masters | what is the difference between reboot and shutdown -r now command? |
| 03:56.14 | Guerin | i thought I told you pair to stop your beavis and butthead act |
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| 03:56.15 | deadcat | hahah |
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| 03:56.19 | Wyzard|TP | somewhere in Philadelphia |
| 03:56.26 | TwistedEmotions | foobus: If I get paid... sure. |
| 03:56.33 | foobus | pfft |
| 03:56.36 | deadcat | foobus: amateur porn? |
| 03:56.40 | nerdthatneedshel | hey...I have a debian problem, although mostly it's with KDE |
| 03:56.46 | TwistedEmotions | foobus: I'm not a cheap whore... |
| 03:56.48 | torrent_masters | i just did my apt-get upgrade and it told me i needed to reboot so i could finish updating the kernal // load all the modules i put in |
| 03:57.20 | nerdthatneedshel | first of all, my display is 800x600, and I can't get it to my normal 1280x1024 |
| 03:57.22 | torrent_masters | and it seems that it doesnt know the shutdown command.. is that one i need to apt-get install directly? |
| 03:57.23 | jdhutchin1 | torrent_masters, there isn't? |
| 03:57.31 | Guerin | !drxx nerdthatneedshel |
| 03:57.32 | dpkg | nerdthatneedshel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 03:57.44 | nerdthatneedshel | thanks |
| 03:58.01 | torrent_masters | >.< oh i needed to do that one as sudo |
| 03:58.06 | nerdthatneedshel | and also, I want to know how to refresh all settings, including the menu and panel and stuff for KDE for one user |
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| 03:59.00 | nerdthatneedshel | nv on that reconfig...is nvidia, right? |
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| 03:59.20 | sagris | X won't start with my Matrox G450, it used to work fine (2 months ago) but I just reinstalled with sarge(testing + downloaded updates) and now it doesn't work |
| 03:59.26 | nerdthatneedshel | I have a gforce4 |
| 03:59.42 | nerdthatneedshel | so, on the X windows reconfig, which driver should I use? |
| 03:59.49 | ugly | nerdthatneedshel: nv |
| 03:59.49 | liable | sagris: define doesnt work. |
| 04:00.16 | nerdthatneedshel | bus identifier? |
| 04:00.23 | liable | blank |
| 04:00.24 | ugly | nerdthatneedshel: if you want 3D, you need to set up the proprietary NVidia driver though |
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| 04:00.39 | nerdthatneedshel | oh. I'll do that eventually, but I just want regular now |
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| 04:00.50 | foobus | blank? I spent all that time figuring that out... and "blank"? sheesh |
| 04:00.54 | sagris | sorry, gives me errors: mga_ha1 not found (but I've read that isn't an issue) the other errors "unable to find framebuffer device" |
| 04:00.55 | nerdthatneedshel | amount of memory |
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| 04:01.33 | Guerin | nerdthatneedshel: read the instructions. JJust leave it blank if yyou have only one card. |
| 04:01.57 | ugly | heh you can leave it blank if you only have one card - funny, I never knew that |
| 04:02.03 | liable | sagris: reconfigure x not to use framebuffer. |
| 04:02.07 | ugly | should spend more time in here |
| 04:02.36 | ugly | Guerin: does it say that in the instructions? |
| 04:02.57 | sagris | The card worked when I installed using Debian Testing from 18-FEB-2005, but after I updated X wouldn't load |
| 04:03.28 | sagris | liable: how do I do that (which config file)? |
| 04:03.41 | liable | !drxx sagris |
| 04:03.41 | dpkg | sagris: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 04:03.50 | liable | sagris: or modprobe framebuffer. |
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| 04:04.35 | Guerin | ugly: read the damn instructions |
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| 04:04.53 | ugly | must've gotten used to zipping through that part of installation :P |
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| 04:05.21 | foobus | :p |
| 04:05.21 | nerdthatneedshel | Ok, now how do I clean out all KDE files for one user and start fresh? |
| 04:05.22 | nornagon | I'm using the Enlightenment wm. When I try to start things that open an X window (gvim, firefox-installer), I get this error message: (firefox-installer-bin:6921): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 04:05.47 | sagris | modprobe framebuffer gives me "FATAL: module frambuffer not found" |
| 04:05.57 | liable | sagris: fb |
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| 04:06.16 | Wyzard|TP | nornagon: "firefox-installer"? |
| 04:06.23 | ugly | While using an USB intellimouse, at seemingly random intervals, the mouse will freeze in X. Simply switching to console and then back to X fixes temporarily. I'm using sarge + kernel 2.6.11.10, and I'm not using GPM. |
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| 04:06.31 | nornagon | Wyzard|TP: Yeah, the deer park alpha 1 installer thing |
| 04:06.32 | Wyzard|TP | nornagon: Not related to your display problem, but if you want Firefox, install the package |
| 04:06.37 | nornagon | yes |
| 04:06.38 | nornagon | I know |
| 04:06.45 | nornagon | I'm trying to install deer park |
| 04:06.47 | liable | nerdthatneedshel: try moving the .kde directory and see if it baulks. |
| 04:06.51 | ugly | oh and I've tried disabling ACPI - still the same problem |
| 04:07.01 | nerdthatneedshel | I tried, and some things reset, and some didn't |
| 04:07.01 | nornagon | but that's not the problem I need fixed :P |
| 04:07.20 | nerdthatneedshel | the menu, for example, is all messed up because I ported it between three linuxes |
| 04:07.28 | nerdthatneedshel | Fedora, Ubuntu, and then Debian |
| 04:07.29 | sagris | I'm running dpkg-reconfigure, what should I put for "bus identifier" |
| 04:07.38 | Wyzard|TP | nornagon: It sounds like you don't have DISPLAY set |
| 04:07.46 | Wyzard|TP | nornagon: though I can't think of why it would be unset in an X session |
| 04:07.55 | sagris | leave it blank? |
| 04:07.57 | nornagon | Wyzard|TP: ah, hm. export DISPLAY=:0.0? |
| 04:08.18 | Wyzard|TP | nornagon: Yes... but it should be set already, by X itself |
| 04:08.24 | liable | sagris: yes |
| 04:08.34 | Wyzard|TP | nornagon: Unless you're trying to run stuff from a separate shell or something, outside your X session |
| 04:08.37 | nornagon | Wyzard|TP: Weird. |
| 04:08.40 | nornagon | Wyzard|TP: I'm not. |
| 04:08.43 | nornagon | Oh, wait. |
| 04:08.44 | nornagon | I am. |
| 04:08.54 | nornagon | screen was started outside an X session./ |
| 04:09.09 | Wyzard|TP | nornagon: ah... well, see if you can open an xterm or something within the X session, and then use that |
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| 04:09.34 | nornagon | yah |
| 04:10.14 | sagris | worked like a charm, thanks a bunch. |
| 04:10.19 | sagris | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:13.12 | VolVE | Ok, ok, another X question: after installing x-window-system via apt, the xdm login prompt comes up upon booting. I can hit Ctrl-Alt-1 to get to a text login, but how do I get back to the X login? :-/ |
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| 04:13.24 | Geren | hi |
| 04:13.39 | Wyzard|TP | VolVE: Alt-F7 |
| 04:13.44 | leo | hi |
| 04:13.56 | Geren | i made a movie, |
| 04:14.03 | deadcat | Geren: xxx? |
| 04:14.07 | Geren | i was wondering if there's any free online server space to upload it |
| 04:14.07 | Geren | what |
| 04:14.08 | Geren | no |
| 04:14.10 | Geren | wtf? |
| 04:14.17 | foobus | was TwistedEmotions featured, and 12 monkeys? |
| 04:14.17 | ugly | gay porn for all |
| 04:14.22 | deadcat | not interested. |
| 04:14.25 | Wyzard|TP | VolVE: X starts on the first available virtual terminal... since you have six text VTs, X goes on the seventh |
| 04:14.32 | Geren | it's an adult art film |
| 04:14.32 | deadcat | foobus: hahah. |
| 04:14.41 | deadcat | Geren: porn? |
| 04:14.41 | buu | Sounds like porn to me! |
| 04:14.42 | Geren | i havent found a title yet |
| 04:14.43 | Geren | no! |
| 04:14.45 | VolVE | Wyzard|TP: ah! I see, thank you :) |
| 04:14.49 | Geren | it's not pornography |
| 04:14.54 | ugly | something like "Aria," I guess |
| 04:14.56 | buu | Pssh, then what good is it? |
| 04:14.59 | deadcat | Geren: adult video? |
| 04:15.01 | leo | what it's ? |
| 04:15.04 | leo | gelignite, |
| 04:15.05 | buu | Geren: archive.org |
| 04:15.07 | Geren | it's for adult taste |
| 04:15.08 | leo | Geren, ! |
| 04:15.11 | Geren | but it's not vulgar |
| 04:15.14 | deadcat | Geren: so its porn? |
| 04:15.15 | foobus | mercy, mercy... |
| 04:15.16 | leo | ah, ok! |
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| 04:15.24 | Guerin | Geren: #debian is not the place to ask for information on movies. 99% of the people here are fucking philistines |
| 04:15.25 | buu | deadcat: It's tasteful porn |
| 04:15.27 | ugly | just admit it's porn, maybe you'll get someone to host it then, Geren |
| 04:15.28 | Geren | but i have not found a good title for it yet |
| 04:15.34 | deadcat | buu: ah.. british porn then? (= |
| 04:15.39 | leo | ajajja |
| 04:15.50 | buu | deadcat: How does that follow?! |
| 04:15.52 | Geren | My initial title is "When the Peach has Become Ripe." |
| 04:15.53 | Draconicus | Where is the file for commands to perform on login/boot? |
| 04:16.00 | deadcat | buu: you have to watch family guy for that one (= |
| 04:16.09 | buu | deadcat: Pssh, you and your stupid cartoons |
| 04:16.29 | leo | wrong place... |
| 04:16.38 | Guerin | Geren: don't you have friends in real life you can ask? |
| 04:16.46 | deadcat | buu: hahah; guy "almost, almost, there we go." girl "well done" all in british accient |
| 04:16.46 | leo | ajajaja |
| 04:16.54 | Guerin | Geren: these are NOT the film geeks you're looking for. |
| 04:17.02 | foobus | I know a girl with a peach. a big round one |
| 04:17.02 | Geren | ok |
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| 04:17.08 | torrent_masters | hmm |
| 04:17.25 | Draconicus | 'lo? Location of files to perform on boot or login? |
| 04:17.26 | ugly | 8 1/2 was my favorite porn movie |
| 04:17.39 | ugly | didn't have much nudity though, despite the title |
| 04:17.43 | foobus | more like a nectarine, though: no fuzz |
| 04:17.53 | Geren | another title i am think is "Biological Reactions" |
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| 04:18.01 | liable | Draconicus: /etc/init.d |
| 04:18.27 | Draconicus | Thanks. |
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| 04:19.37 | torrent_masters | i seem to be able to connect to most addresses on the web in my browser on my server.. but when i try to connect to one it says no site config'd at that addy.. and at the same time on my home comp i can access it fine.. i think there are some dns issues with the site but is there something i can do to try to avoid all this or try to shrink the problem? do i just need to wait for the site to fix itself? |
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| 04:19.50 | torrent_masters | [btw i can still ping it just not access the http stuff] |
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| 04:21.09 | barry | hello |
| 04:21.16 | metaperl | I just want to get one IRC client via experimental ( deb http://ftp..debian.org/debian/ experimental main ) ... so I dont think I should add this to sources.list... how can I just get once pacage via experimental (it has one dependancy also in experimental) |
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| 04:21.25 | metaperl | hi barry |
| 04:21.26 | barry | Ok, I was on here on another name earlier |
| 04:21.33 | barry | but...ok, I need help |
| 04:21.51 | deadcat | boy you better come back with that same name you used earlier |
| 04:21.59 | barry | I changed the X resolution, but KDE will not respond to it, and I can't change the KDE resolution |
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| 04:22.12 | bash | #debian |
| 04:22.14 | bash | :S |
| 04:22.14 | metaperl | so I want kvirc and the dependancy kvirc-data from experimental... how to get that but still use testing as my distro? |
| 04:22.34 | Wyzard|TP | metaperl: apt-get install <package> -t experimental |
| 04:22.41 | bash | stuped /j |
| 04:22.43 | metaperl | Wyzard thanks |
| 04:22.57 | ninja | getting error Could not save the file "/media/floppy0/test". |
| 04:23.07 | ninja | cant use my floppy drive |
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| 04:27.30 | Draconicus | liable: How do I add specific commands to /etc/init.d? Do I have to make a shell and symlink? |
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| 04:28.04 | liable | Draconicus: yes, what do you actually want to do. |
| 04:28.08 | Draconicus | foobus: The poor eggs! You monster! |
| 04:28.48 | foobus | Draconicus, just link the apropriate script (in /etc/init.d) to the rundirectory (/etc/rc[whateverrunlevel].d/) |
| 04:29.12 | foobus | oops |
| 04:29.18 | Draconicus | liable: Well, that's a question with a period, but anyway... I need to initiate some specific commands such as sfxload, and also add a few modules to probe initially. I imagine that the modules may have their own special file. |
| 04:29.43 | Draconicus | foobus: I need commands with parameters, not just things to start. |
| 04:29.44 | liable | Draconicus: /etc/modules for the modules. |
| 04:29.49 | Draconicus | 'kay. |
| 04:30.07 | liable | Draconicus: whats sfxload? |
| 04:30.17 | VolVE | how do I get an xdm that offers me a choice of which window manager to use? :-/ |
| 04:30.22 | foobus | ... that would be rc.local: add your commands to that script |
| 04:30.40 | Draconicus | liable: It loads a soundfont into the Soundblaster Live! card's wavetable synth. |
| 04:30.52 | Draconicus | soundfonts are for midis. |
| 04:31.09 | Guerin | there is no rc.local in debian |
| 04:31.15 | Draconicus | ...I figured you might like to know that bit. :P |
| 04:31.15 | foobus | hey, where's rc.local? |
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| 04:31.24 | Guerin | !rc.local |
| 04:31.24 | dpkg | somebody said rc.local was the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 04:31.31 | foobus | those bastards killed rc.local! |
| 04:31.34 | liable | Draconicus: is that like a module parameter? |
| 04:31.58 | foobus | so I'm lazy! |
| 04:32.05 | Draconicus | liable: No. The command is sfxload, and the parameter for that is a file path. |
| 04:32.22 | Draconicus | Lazy vs. convenience. Hmm... |
| 04:32.38 | jlj_ | what is the keyboard shortcut to go to the end of the input line in a shell? (like ctrl-a brings the cursor to the beginning) |
| 04:32.42 | liable | Draconicus: just make a script with that command then and update-rc.d it. |
| 04:32.53 | caphuso | liable: ctrl-e |
| 04:32.56 | caphuso | damn |
| 04:33.01 | caphuso | jlj_: ctrl-e |
| 04:33.09 | jlj_ | caphuso: thanks |
| 04:33.38 | liable | Draconicus: what desktop? |
| 04:33.40 | Draconicus | liable: Okay. A script as in a shell? I don't do such very often. What do I do? Put a few commands in and save it with extension .sh? |
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| 04:34.13 | Draconicus | liable: GDM+GNOME, why? |
| 04:34.13 | Guerin | liable: not quite as simple as that |
| 04:34.24 | Guerin | probably easier to use |
| 04:34.25 | liable | Draconicus: can you run that as a user, that command? |
| 04:34.26 | Guerin | !bootmisc.sh |
| 04:34.30 | Guerin | !bootmisc |
| 04:34.30 | dpkg | i guess bootmisc is where you put miscellaneous stuff you want to run at boot but can't be bothered making an init script for. |
| 04:34.42 | Draconicus | Ooh. :D |
| 04:34.45 | Guerin | !bootmisc.sh is <reply> see bootmisc |
| 04:34.46 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 04:34.48 | Draconicus | That will work. |
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| 04:35.22 | foobus | so, rc.local has risen |
| 04:35.39 | torrent_masters | arg |
| 04:35.52 | caphuso | bootmisc.sh isn't all that useful |
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| 04:36.19 | Guerin | foobus: if you need those warm fuzzies of redhat nostalgia, you can link bootmisc.sh to rc.local |
| 04:36.23 | kwyjibo | which is better? openvpn, poptop, or secvpn? or something else? :S |
| 04:36.31 | foobus | redhat? |
| 04:36.43 | Guerin | or whatever |
| 04:37.03 | beardy | jlj_: 'man readline' documents most, probably all, keyboard shortcuts you can use on the command line. |
| 04:37.05 | metaperl | i think Debian comes with a PPPoEconfig |
| 04:37.07 | foobus | dpkg had it right, I come from slack |
| 04:37.08 | torrent_masters | hm |
| 04:37.34 | torrent_masters | !dpkg iptables |
| 04:37.34 | kwyjibo | mmm? what's the best vpn daemon? |
| 04:37.34 | dpkg | it has been said that iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.samba.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 04:37.46 | rking | kwyjibo: ssh. =) |
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| 04:37.56 | kwyjibo | incorrect |
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| 04:38.10 | foobus | !tell torrent_masters about /msg |
| 04:38.36 | kwyjibo | ok. i am talking to a bunch of stupid people. |
| 04:38.41 | Guerin | well |
| 04:38.46 | Wyzard|TP | kwyjibo: OpenVPN? |
| 04:38.50 | Guerin | in fairness, i didn't try to offer any advice. |
| 04:38.51 | foobus | what about sending mail from a blocked subnet? |
| 04:39.02 | Draconicus | Um... forgive me, but this doesn't need and if-then-else statements, does it, Guerin? |
| 04:39.25 | kwyjibo | thanks wyz. but why is i better than poptop or secvpn? |
| 04:39.34 | Guerin | Draconicus: eh? |
| 04:39.56 | foobus | well I'm no Kasparov, but I think asking what the best vpn daemon is is a pretty useless question |
| 04:40.21 | kwyjibo | uhm |
| 04:40.28 | beardy | !polls |
| 04:40.28 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 04:40.30 | beardy | !better |
| 04:40.30 | Draconicus | Guerin: in bootmisc.sh, the existing things to do are 'if such and such then blah' sorts of things. A single command won't need special circumstances specified, right? |
| 04:40.31 | dpkg | i guess better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 04:40.34 | Wyzard|TP | kwyjibo: I haven't heard of secvpn, but poptop uses PPTP, which I think is more limited in capability and has some security issues |
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| 04:40.48 | kwyjibo | hmmmmm |
| 04:41.01 | kwyjibo | well. pptp was the protocol i needed it to support |
| 04:41.01 | Guerin | Draconicus: if you want it to run every time, without checking anything else beforehand, don't include an if statement. |
| 04:41.16 | Draconicus | Guerin: Okay. Thanks. |
| 04:41.17 | kwyjibo | but if openvpn is the best i may as well use tha |
| 04:41.31 | Wyzard|TP | kwyjibo: OpenVPN doesn't use PPTP, so if you *need* PPTP, use poptop |
| 04:41.43 | kwyjibo | what's openvpn use? |
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| 04:41.54 | Wyzard|TP | kwyjibo: SSL, basically |
| 04:42.09 | kwyjibo | i recall it supporting other things on their site. let me check again |
| 04:42.18 | Wyzard|TP | kwyjibo: It's not interoperable with any other software (afaik), but OpenVPN itself is free and portable to lots of operating systems |
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| 04:43.07 | kwyjibo | you are correct |
| 04:43.09 | kwyjibo | it is ssl only |
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| 04:43.25 | Wyzard|TP | kwyjibo: See http://www.schneier.com/pptp.html (linked from the openvpn website) |
| 04:43.31 | kwyjibo | but i wonder how one creates an SSH vpn tunnel on windows xp |
| 04:44.11 | Wyzard|TP | kwyjibo: If you want a Windows machine to participate in an OpenVPN network, you install the Windows version of OpenVPN on it |
| 04:44.36 | ce_Puz-puz | alo |
| 04:44.40 | Wyzard|TP | Guerin: They serve different purposes |
| 04:45.15 | kwyjibo | ... |
| 04:45.27 | Guerin | Wyzard|TP: i'm clearly coming from a position of knowing basically nothing about vpn. |
| 04:45.31 | kwyjibo | a vpn create a secure tunnel for all your network traffic |
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| 04:45.47 | kwyjibo | you can join a private LAN from anywhere in the world, using the internet |
| 04:45.50 | Wyzard|TP | Guerin: SSH tunneling is appropriate for tunneling your own processes for the duration of a login session... a VPN is appropriate for tunneling an entire connection at the link level, or for establishing a persistent connection between two whole sites |
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| 04:46.08 | Guerin | ok, i see. |
| 04:46.09 | kwyjibo | yeh |
| 04:46.11 | Guerin | that is cool. |
| 04:46.12 | kwyjibo | the whole connection |
| 04:46.13 | Wyzard|TP | Guerin: OpenVPN can tunnel at the link layer -- you get what's effectively a virtual Ethernet cable going to the remote network |
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| 04:46.50 | kwyjibo | this permits you to surf porn and chat while at work. |
| 04:47.13 | Wyzard|TP | hehe |
| 04:47.18 | liable | hah, what else. :P |
| 04:47.20 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:47.39 | Guerin | still have to DISPLAY it locally, though |
| 04:47.53 | kwyjibo | so long as they don't see your screen. |
| 04:48.01 | kwyjibo | but as far as data, it is encrypted |
| 04:48.04 | Guerin | sure |
| 04:48.11 | Guerin | and the cache is on your remote box |
| 04:48.32 | kwyjibo | true |
| 04:48.54 | foobus | you can use an smtp from a blocked network as well, assuming you have that privilege elsewhere |
| 04:48.54 | Guerin | damn, this match is taking too long to download |
| 04:49.11 | Guerin | the one time i want to watch a damn sports match, and they're not playing it in my stupid country |
| 04:49.25 | torrent_masters | dammit >.< |
| 04:49.31 | torrent_masters | iptables is a bitch |
| 04:49.33 | torrent_masters | i dont get it |
| 04:49.50 | kwyjibo | open vpn sounds promising. i hope the windows client is as transparent as the built in pptp stuff is |
| 04:49.57 | kwyjibo | anyone know for sure? |
| 04:50.00 | liable | John Lee Hooker, serves me righ to suffer, fucking great song. |
| 04:50.09 | liable | torrent_masters: try shorewall, easy as piss |
| 04:50.12 | Wyzard|TP | torrent_masters: Use a firewall package, such as FireHOL |
| 04:50.16 | Guerin | jlh is the man |
| 04:50.18 | Wyzard|TP | liable: FireHOL is easier :-) |
| 04:50.44 | kwyjibo | http://openvpn.se/screenshots.html |
| 04:50.49 | kwyjibo | looks decent |
| 04:50.50 | liable | Wyzard|TP: ah, yes I remember you saying that before, still must try it. :) |
| 04:50.59 | torrent_masters | firehol? |
| 04:51.10 | torrent_masters | im using a text only server its compat with that>? |
| 04:51.11 | Wyzard|TP | torrent_masters: apt-cache show firehol |
| 04:51.28 | Wyzard|TP | torrent_masters: Yes, it's configured by a file in /etc, not a silly GUI tool |
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| 04:52.30 | Guerin | grrr, damn mutt isn't refreshing my imap folders on $ |
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| 04:52.41 | Guerin | i have to change folders and then change back |
| 04:52.46 | Wyzard|TP | torrent_masters: http://pastebin.ca/16764 -- my FireHOL config |
| 04:52.54 | Wyzard|TP | torrent_masters: I'll bet you can understand most of it even though you haven't read any docs on it |
| 04:53.06 | rking | anyone know the equivalent of "dpkg-reconfigure locales" but for non-root users? |
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| 04:53.23 | torrent_masters | use sudo? |
| 04:53.25 | Guerin | rking: export |
| 04:53.45 | rking | Guerin: oh... dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't actually generate anything? |
| 04:53.48 | Guerin | rking: since only root can generate new locales, all a user can do is choose existing ones. |
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| 04:54.17 | rking | Guerin: why is that the case? it seems like a user-space behavior... "interpret these bytes to display like this.." |
| 04:54.19 | Guerin | rking: it configures global locales for the box - if you want to set them differently as a user, use export and/or put them in your profile |
| 04:54.38 | Guerin | it IS userspace behaviour |
| 04:55.07 | Wyzard|TP | rking: Generating the definitions of what display formats are available is an administrative thing; actually using them is a user thing |
| 04:55.16 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:55.27 | Guerin | he meant user as in 'not root' - not as in 'not kernel' |
| 04:55.29 | Guerin | silly me |
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| 04:55.58 | Wyzard|TP | rking: Use "dpkg-reconfigre locales" to generate all the locales you expect your users to want to use, and then configure your environment for the one you actually want to use with your account |
| 04:55.58 | rking | Guerin: ok, maybe i should step back and explain my root problem: on my localhost, utf-8 works beautifully, and i'm really starting to learn from it. however, my shell account, and especially mutt, seems a bit retarded when it comes to displaying utf-8. I'd really like to just be able to read i18nized mail |
| 04:55.58 | foobus | buzzword |
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| 04:56.44 | Guerin | rking: ok. run 'locales' from a shell, as user, and then use export to set each of those env variables to en.US_utf-8 or whatever |
| 04:56.55 | rking | hrmm... ok |
| 04:57.13 | rking | Guerin: zsh: command not found: locales |
| 04:57.20 | Guerin | !installit |
| 04:57.20 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 04:57.20 | rking | oh, s/s// |
| 04:57.31 | Guerin | oh |
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| 04:57.37 | Guerin | gah, i'm stupid today |
| 04:57.43 | xzas | i just installed Debian Sarge....2.4 i think and when i start x it says no screens found...after changing the config file 5 times and changing monitors it still says no screens found |
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| 04:58.22 | Guerin | !noscreensfound |
| 04:58.22 | dpkg | well, noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 04:58.42 | Guerin | !x md5sum |
| 04:58.42 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 04:58.51 | Guerin | xzas: do both of those, in reverse order. |
| 04:59.10 | dhnsycj | where can I get shockwave for debian and how to install it? |
| 04:59.25 | rking | Guerin/Wyzard|TP: maybe i'll just try a CVS version of mutt... i've already got LANG=en_us.UTF-8, and running perl doesn't complain... so the locale must be build. wait, no... vim doesn't display well, either |
| 04:59.46 | Guerin | rking: might also need to choose a utf8worthy temrinal emulator |
| 04:59.58 | Guerin | rking: the debian mutt supports utf-8 perfectly |
| 05:00.02 | rking | i can take the same document, using the exact same vim config, and open it on my shell account, and get only a handful of chars displayed, but then scp it to localhost, and view everything |
| 05:00.28 | rking | Guerin: oh, wow.. i just noticed my sysadmin must've built this by hand: mutt -v: Mutt 1.5.6+20040907i |
| 05:00.41 | Guerin | rking: not necessarily |
| 05:00.46 | torrent_masters | i have to creat shell accounts for proftpd ppl? |
| 05:00.47 | rking | i didn't paste an important part of that: Mutt 1.5.6+20040907i (CVS) |
| 05:00.55 | Guerin | rking: what debeian? |
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| 05:00.58 | torrent_masters | i mean for ppl to upload and download from my server via ftp? |
| 05:00.59 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:01.01 | rking | Guerin: 3.1 |
| 05:01.23 | Guerin | !info mutt sarge |
| 05:01.28 | dpkg | mutt: (Text-based mailreader supporting MIME, GPG, PGP and threading), section mail, is standard. Version: 1.5.9-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 1385 kB, Installed size: 3768 kB |
| 05:01.33 | Guerin | 'oh yeah |
| 05:01.37 | rking | torrent_masters: not really - just add an anonymous user, etc |
| 05:01.38 | Guerin | that's old as |
| 05:02.02 | Guerin | torrent_masters: DO NOT allow shell users to log into unencrypted ftp |
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| 05:02.22 | torrent_masters | i dont want any anonymous users.. i want just one or 2 to be able to access at a time |
| 05:02.29 | rking | Guerin: ok, so this is a common problem i run into on my shell account, i want a newer version of something, or just to install something, and i don't know of a dpkg-way to do it without root, so i compile things to ~/local - is there a workaround? |
| 05:02.29 | Guerin | torrent_masters: either use anonymous only, use encryption, or use virtual users |
| 05:02.36 | torrent_masters | if that many and i am GOOD with it being encrypted too |
| 05:02.44 | Gnea | torrent_masters: sftp |
| 05:02.47 | torrent_masters | o.O |
| 05:02.53 | Gnea | heh |
| 05:02.57 | Gnea | never heard of it huh |
| 05:03.07 | Guerin | xzas: please don't message me. Follow the instructions to reset the md5sum of your x config file, then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and say NO to the kernel framebuffer |
| 05:03.09 | jayparadise | torrents r cool |
| 05:03.29 | Gnea | only if they're not pirated |
| 05:03.43 | jayparadise | of coufrse |
| 05:03.47 | Guerin | rking: no, that's the sane way. Or you can just unpack .debs into ~/ or something |
| 05:04.03 | rking | Guerin: ahh, yeah... i bet i could do that |
| 05:04.09 | rking | Guerin: you've been helpful, thanks |
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| 05:04.16 | Guerin | rking: no sweat. |
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| 05:04.53 | torrent_masters | package sftp is not available, but is referred to by another package. this may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
| 05:04.54 | Guerin | torrent_masters: what's wrong with anonymous ftp? Sane people run nothing else. |
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| 05:05.09 | Guerin | torrent_masters: sftp is a protocol, not a package. proftpd supports it. |
| 05:05.28 | torrent_masters | i only want a couple ppl uploading new anime eps so i can distro the fuckers :D |
| 05:05.51 | Gnea | fansubs? |
| 05:05.55 | torrent_masters | yup |
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| 05:06.06 | Guerin | virtual users would probably be the best way |
| 05:06.16 | Evil_Pink_Robot | hey guys, in the make-kpkg command, if i wanna cross-compile for a pentium III but am compiling on a k7 architecture, do i need to specify the --arch or --cross-compile switch even though i've enabled the PIII option in the .config file? |
| 05:06.17 | Gnea | are you for real? |
| 05:06.19 | torrent_masters | virtual users? how do i do something like that? |
| 05:06.41 | torrent_masters | Gnea me? |
| 05:06.42 | Gnea | Evil_Pink_Robot: --arch |
| 05:06.43 | Guerin | torrent_masters: i dunno. |
| 05:06.47 | Gnea | Evil_Pink_Robot: it's still x86 |
| 05:07.07 | Evil_Pink_Robot | Gnea: okay, so i just go make-kpkg --arch x86? |
| 05:07.11 | Gnea | Evil_Pink_Robot: in fact, it will see that and autodetect the --arch if the compiler is intelligent enough |
| 05:07.24 | torrent_masters | then i guess its not all that easy lol |
| 05:07.35 | trave11er | Evil_Pink_Robot: you just need an appropriate config file, with the right type of processor selected |
| 05:07.36 | Gnea | Evil_Pink_Robot: welll take another look - i686 perhaps? i think the manpage says it |
| 05:07.45 | Gnea | torrent_masters: nothing is easy |
| 05:07.48 | Evil_Pink_Robot | Gnea: okay, so it doesn't matter whether i enable it as long as it is an x86 chp... doesn't matter whether its AMD or Intel right? |
| 05:07.49 | trave11er | no --arch switches, afaik |
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| 05:08.52 | Gnea | Evil_Pink_Robot: as far as the package is concerned, it's x86 - as far as the *kernel* inside of the package is concerned, it's what you tell it to be - doesn't matter *what* your host is |
| 05:08.58 | Evil_Pink_Robot | Gnea, traveller: i386 worked |
| 05:09.12 | Gnea | try i686 |
| 05:09.15 | Evil_Pink_Robot | okay, so i needen't have specified it... oh well |
| 05:09.19 | Gnea | just for shits 'n grins |
| 05:09.20 | Evil_Pink_Robot | i686 is not a valid architecture |
| 05:09.23 | Evil_Pink_Robot | heh |
| 05:09.25 | Gnea | heh |
| 05:09.28 | Gnea | alright then |
| 05:09.34 | trave11er | Evil_Pink_Robot: architecture has _nothing_ to do with it |
| 05:09.43 | Evil_Pink_Robot | thanks though... i switched recently from suse, debian rox btw |
| 05:09.45 | trave11er | Evil_Pink_Robot: you just need a proper kernel config file |
| 05:09.55 | Evil_Pink_Robot | traveller: i figured, just makeing sure |
| 05:10.02 | Evil_Pink_Robot | s/makeing/making |
| 05:10.15 | Evil_Pink_Robot | although, makeing sounds better |
| 05:10.16 | rking | ok, something /has/ to be messed up deeper than just mutt... vim really shouldn't have trouble displaying international stuff |
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| 05:11.09 | Guerin | rking: your terminal emulator is utf-8 worthy? |
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| 05:11.23 | Evil_Pink_Robot | compiling a new kernel for my laptop (old PIII machine) and the wireless card doesn't have stuff in the kernel, so i gotta use the madwifi drivers |
| 05:11.29 | Evil_Pink_Robot | has anyone here got them to work? |
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| 05:11.44 | liable | Evil_Pink_Robot: yes |
| 05:11.58 | xi32 | i'm looking for a package that adds to kde konqueror create image gallery under tools, anybody know this package? |
| 05:11.59 | Evil_Pink_Robot | liable: would you mind telling me what you did in the kernel config to make sure it worked |
| 05:12.18 | rking | Guerin: yes - i run a hand-compiled version based on james dickey's pre-release... it's all good. remember, i can "vim" the file just fine from localhost, same terminal, and from within screen(1), etc |
| 05:12.23 | rking | maybe it's screen(1) |
| 05:12.23 | Guerin | xi32: #kde or #debian-kde are probably better |
| 05:12.24 | Evil_Pink_Robot | i built in the pcmcia in the kernel, but it didn't work... should i enable it as a module for it to work? |
| 05:12.37 | rking | nope, same versions |
| 05:12.39 | Guerin | rking: ah, i see. |
| 05:12.47 | liable | Evil_Pink_Robot: nothing, just make the driver, thats it. (wirelees extensions or something in the kernel config iirc.) |
| 05:12.49 | trave11er | Evil_Pink_Robot: try /msg dpkg madwifi for starters |
| 05:13.01 | trave11er | Evil_Pink_Robot: i don't think you need to rebuild the kernel at all |
| 05:13.21 | liable | no, just get the source for it. |
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| 05:13.29 | liable | make, install |
| 05:13.38 | Evil_Pink_Robot | traveller, yeah i could just copy the .config from the /boot but i kinda like compiling kernels.. gives me a kick |
| 05:13.39 | rking | Guerin: specifically, both mutt and vim have trouble: a) displaying chars that i know exist in the font, but as the blocks ([]) that show up for missing chars, and b) the lines are messed up... somehow term escapes are getting to the terminal and making it jump around |
| 05:13.54 | Guerin | rking: fun! |
| 05:14.04 | rking | Guerin: hehe, not so much. =) |
| 05:14.14 | trave11er | Evil_Pink_Robot: good luck then |
| 05:14.31 | Evil_Pink_Robot | liable: thanks, i did that but it was giving me an irq error... it couldn't asign a irq channel.. so i'm trying other stuff |
| 05:14.34 | Guerin | rking: i get that pretty routinely on clients with fucked-up locales, like cygwin/putty/openssh on korean win98 |
| 05:14.47 | Guerin | rking: but not on a sane system |
| 05:14.58 | liable | Evil_Pink_Robot: dont know about pcmcia stuff. |
| 05:15.24 | rking | Guerin: yeah - that's the idea. where does dpkg-reconfigure locales end up outputting stuff to? /usr/share/i18n/locales is stuffed full of things on both accounts |
| 05:15.29 | Evil_Pink_Robot | liable: thanks anyway, it should work now i think, i hope :) |
| 05:15.33 | Guerin | rking: dunno |
| 05:15.38 | rking | Guerin: k |
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| 05:16.01 | prodope | how do i format a floppy so i can make a boot disk on it with mkboot? |
| 05:16.19 | foobus | fdisk /dev/fd0 |
| 05:16.23 | foobus | oops |
| 05:16.37 | foobus | fsck.ext2 /dev/fd0 |
| 05:17.14 | prodope | it's a vfat disk right now |
| 05:17.37 | prodope | fsck gives me an error |
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| 05:17.50 | kevogod | fsck -y |
| 05:17.56 | foobus | an error? does it say it's tired? |
| 05:18.11 | Guerin | foobus: the wine, or the alone? |
| 05:18.22 | prodope | The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 |
| 05:18.27 | foobus | both together |
| 05:18.27 | prodope | filesystem. |
| 05:18.35 | naoliv | Hi. Does anybody knows somewhere to get a package of AMSN cvs version? |
| 05:19.10 | Guerin | naoliv: doubtful anyone's packaged a cvs version. Build your own. |
| 05:19.23 | prodope | that doesn't work, kevogod, same error |
| 05:19.37 | foobus | in fact, either one. I'm drunk, and I don't like it. I'm only on the thirteenth bar of Roll Out The Barrell |
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| 05:20.02 | naoliv | Guerin: ok. Thank you. |
| 05:20.26 | foobus | er... Beer Barrell Polka |
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| 05:24.15 | Guerin | foobus: crikey. |
| 05:25.53 | foobus | I always say that... whenever I feel the urge to tag an alligator or a demon |
| 05:26.19 | xzas | how do i know what my Video cards bus identifier is for dpkg??? |
| 05:27.05 | foobus | xzas, if it's the only video card you can leave it blank, or so I've heard |
| 05:27.06 | Guerin | xzas: x86? only one video card? |
| 05:27.10 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:27.16 | xzas | ok cool |
| 05:27.17 | xzas | thanks |
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| 05:27.25 | Guerin | if that's the case, your video card busid is <enter> |
| 05:27.32 | foobus | heheh |
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| 05:28.49 | xzas | how about mouse port? |
| 05:30.16 | Guerin | xzas: what kind? |
| 05:30.47 | xzas | ps/2 wheel |
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| 05:31.00 | foobus | /dev/psaux |
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| 05:31.11 | xzas | cool |
| 05:31.52 | foobus | weird... I didn't put a space in front of that but it was accepted |
| 05:33.06 | xzas | back to prompt now.....i hope this works |
| 05:33.36 | xzas | yay! |
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| 05:35.53 | hax | somewhat offtopic, but has anyone ever noticed verizon's busy ring when you call someone who's currently a call? |
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| 05:37.18 | Guerin | hax: somehat?? |
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| 05:37.29 | sword | sup |
| 05:37.33 | hax | Guerin: well, yeah, entirely offtopic |
| 05:37.44 | hax | Guerin: but it's interesting and undocumented... like most of debian ;) |
| 05:37.49 | Guerin | well, you're in good company |
| 05:37.53 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:37.55 | Guerin | debian is documented |
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| 05:38.04 | hax | heh, just kidding |
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| 05:38.50 | hax | Guerin: you know the busy ring i'm talking about though? |
| 05:39.06 | mwilson | After unpacking 31.0MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 05:39.16 | mwilson | <sigh> What has unstable broken now... |
| 05:39.38 | alumno | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.53 | torrent_masters | arg.. i installed webmin and i dont see the config directory // etc |
| 05:39.57 | Guerin | hax: nope. |
| 05:40.01 | torrent_masters | where can i find it so i can set that sucker up? |
| 05:40.02 | hax | oh |
| 05:40.14 | foobus | mwilson, are you at a loss for things to talk about, and have resorted to pasting things from your xterminal window? |
| 05:40.30 | Guerin | torrent_masters: don't use webmin. |
| 05:40.32 | mwilson | No, it was a rhetorical question. |
| 05:41.14 | foobus | question? don't questions have a telos? |
| 05:41.36 | foobus | or maybe a subject? |
| 05:41.46 | Guerin | foobus: how bored are YOU? |
| 05:41.50 | Guerin | jesus |
| 05:41.50 | foobus | hold on... I need wine... |
| 05:41.57 | Guerin | either more or less |
| 05:42.16 | foobus | sorry |
| 05:42.28 | foobus | I'm being a smart ass. sorry. |
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| 05:43.16 | mwilson | Ah, libgtk2-perl |
| 05:43.25 | mwilson | Let us see what the BTS has to say about that one... |
| 05:43.34 | foobus | lol |
| 05:43.38 | torrent_masters | :D |
| 05:44.06 | foobus | my gf is in mexico w/her mom |
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| 05:44.11 | torrent_masters | :/ |
| 05:44.13 | torrent_masters | that sux |
| 05:44.17 | torrent_masters | why didnt you go too man |
| 05:44.24 | torrent_masters | mexico can be fun |
| 05:44.37 | Guerin | with your other half's mother? |
| 05:44.39 | foobus | We're going to get a house there |
| 05:44.46 | |_Neo_| | can someone help me with the insatllation... I get an error when I try to install the Base System |
| 05:44.49 | foobus | her mom rocks |
| 05:44.51 | |_Neo_| | it says file not found |
| 05:44.58 | torrent_masters | Guerin got another dns server ip for me please? that last one has hard time finding boxtorrents :/ |
| 05:45.04 | Guerin | |_Neo_|: fix your nick |
| 05:45.14 | mwilson | Here's a funny... |
| 05:45.17 | mwilson | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 998302 2005-04-16 11:17 libgtk2-perl_1%3a1.081-1_i386.deb |
| 05:45.24 | Guerin | torrent_masters: ask your isp |
| 05:45.29 | foobus | A Brit, did law here, now just does real estate and dates mexican artists |
| 05:45.32 | mwilson | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17115964 2005-07-01 13:47 libgtk2-perl_1%3a1.082-1_i386.deb |
| 05:45.39 | Neoalex | better? |
| 05:45.45 | mwilson | A 17mb deb. |
| 05:45.49 | mwilson | How wonderful. |
| 05:45.58 | Guerin | mwilson: up from 10 |
| 05:46.10 | Guerin | Neoalex: much. Cheers. What are you trying to install? |
| 05:46.13 | trave11er | hm, somebody forgot to strip the damned thing? |
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| 05:46.18 | Guerin | Neoalex: and using what method? |
| 05:46.26 | mwilson | It's supposedly perl... what is there to strip? |
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| 05:46.42 | trave11er | mwilson: well, its perl->gtk glue |
| 05:46.44 | Neoalex | booting from floppy's trying to install from intenret |
| 05:46.51 | Neoalex | download as I go |
| 05:47.07 | Guerin | Neoalex: which floppies, and what version are you trying to install? |
| 05:47.11 | mwilson | I think I'll defer updating tonight. |
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| 05:47.35 | Neoalex | woody... using hfs floppy... trying to install on a PowerMac 7200 |
| 05:47.39 | mwilson | Not worth filing a bug report over, I'm sure. |
| 05:48.03 | trogger | I have managed to destroy my menu in gnome. what is the best way to fix this? |
| 05:48.07 | Guerin | Neoalex: have a look at the scripts - they might be trying to boostrap 'stable' |
| 05:48.14 | Guerin | trogger: not use gnokme |
| 05:48.25 | rking | is "utf8" completely unofficial vs "utf-8"? |
| 05:48.29 | trogger | Guerin: heh, unfortuntaely I'm a big fan :) |
| 05:48.31 | mwilson | Well, maybe... he's not on my list of clueless maintainers. |
| 05:48.42 | Neoalex | how do I do that?... didn't quite get you :) |
| 05:48.46 | caphuso | -rw-r--r-- root/root 32756815 2005-07-01 12:35:39 ./usr/lib/perl5/auto/Gtk2/Gtk2.so |
| 05:48.58 | Guerin | rking: utf-8 is the real way - utf8 is slang, aiui. |
| 05:49.00 | trave11er | caphuso: run file on it?? |
| 05:49.06 | trave11er | err, meant ? |
| 05:49.09 | caphuso | trave11er: i need to download the whole thing first |
| 05:49.18 | trave11er | oh, i'm almost done |
| 05:49.22 | mwilson | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3006932 2005-04-16 10:47 /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Gtk2/Gtk2.so |
| 05:49.31 | rking | Guerin: ok, i'll try to keep using the hyphen. =) |
| 05:49.40 | Neoalex | I don't have a problem booting it... it just won't find Release file |
| 05:49.48 | Neoalex | in /insmnt |
| 05:49.54 | Neoalex | can't blame him... |
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| 05:50.06 | trave11er | Gtk2.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
| 05:50.08 | Neoalex | how can I tell it to take it from debian.org? |
| 05:50.12 | trave11er | someone needs to be larted |
| 05:50.15 | Guerin | Neoalex: i've never used the bootfloppies, sorry. I'd snoop around for instances of 'stable' and change them to 'woody' |
| 05:50.29 | sword | anyone here ever use dctc |
| 05:50.30 | sword | ? |
| 05:50.32 | caphuso | ah, it's not stripped |
| 05:50.36 | trave11er | yep |
| 05:50.38 | caphuso | that explains it |
| 05:50.50 | mwilson | trave11er: Feel free to file a bug. |
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| 05:51.02 | Neoalex | ever installed from the debian website? |
| 05:51.08 | sword | im having trouble finding direct connect servers |
| 05:51.10 | Neoalex | can I mount a http adress? |
| 05:51.27 | mwilson | sword: wtf is a "direct connect server"? |
| 05:51.30 | liable | Neoalex: why are you using th woody install floppies anyway? |
| 05:51.30 | Guerin | Neoalex: nope. |
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| 05:51.42 | sword | self explanatory |
| 05:51.48 | Neoalex | because that mac can't boot off anything else |
| 05:51.51 | mwilson | sword: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 05:51.52 | Guerin | sword: no it's not. |
| 05:52.01 | TiMiDo | can someone tell me what's this program called so i can used my mouse, on the terminals? |
| 05:52.05 | TiMiDo | gpc |
| 05:52.05 | liable | Neoalex: no, why dont you use the sarge ones? |
| 05:52.06 | Draconicus | o..o |
| 05:52.09 | TiMiDo | or something like that? |
| 05:52.10 | Guerin | TiMiDo: gpm |
| 05:52.15 | sword | http://ac2i.homelinux.com/dctc/#dctc |
| 05:52.16 | Gnea | TiMiDo: gpm |
| 05:52.17 | mwilson | trave11er: Not about to let it install here... who knows what else the maintainer screwed up. |
| 05:52.18 | Neoalex | htey won't work... for some reason |
| 05:52.22 | sword | DCTC is a Direct Connect clone, a windoz client allowing users to share their files and talk (like IRC but more software sharing oriented) using a proprietary protocol. |
| 05:52.22 | Neoalex | tried |
| 05:52.22 | sword | DCTC stands for Direct Connect Text Client. |
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| 05:52.36 | Neoalex | they just get spitted out by the mac |
| 05:52.40 | mwilson | sword: Oh... you're a warezer. |
| 05:52.42 | Neoalex | it doesn |
| 05:52.45 | Guerin | sword: sounds like utter shit to me. |
| 05:52.52 | sword | lol a warezer |
| 05:53.03 | sword | Guerin, compared to what? |
| 05:53.17 | Guerin | sword: anything with a non-proprietary protocol. |
| 05:53.37 | sword | xchat works fine for me |
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| 05:53.43 | Gnea | mwilson: wait, you're saying that anyone that uses a priopietary protocol to secure a communications link is a warezer? |
| 05:53.54 | Gnea | ok, so maybe that was a warezer ;) |
| 05:53.57 | Guerin | Gnea: you have to admit, there's a high overlap. |
| 05:54.06 | Gnea | Guerin: to a certain point |
| 05:54.24 | mwilson | "DCTC is a Direct Connect clone, a windoz client allowing users to share their files and talk (like IRC but more software sharing oriented)" |
| 05:54.24 | trave11er | mwilson: hm |
| 05:54.35 | Gnea | windoz |
| 05:54.35 | Gnea | heh |
| 05:54.35 | trave11er | mwilson: i only see 1:1.081-1 version in sid |
| 05:54.42 | mwilson | Notice the 'z' and "software sharing oriented"... |
| 05:54.47 | trave11er | mwilson: how do you get 082 pulled in? |
| 05:55.00 | mwilson | 082 is in unstable. |
| 05:55.13 | mwilson | Gnea: What would YOU call it? |
| 05:55.20 | Gnea | mwilson: what if it's a company that's linux-oriented and they're sharing software that they've purchased a license for? |
| 05:55.32 | Gnea | mwilson: such as vmware? |
| 05:55.34 | mwilson | Gnea: And how likely is that? |
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| 05:55.37 | Guerin | !213000000/25000/60 |
| 05:55.37 | trave11er | mwilson: not in my unstable (: |
| 05:55.37 | dpkg | 142 |
| 05:55.39 | Guerin | :( |
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| 05:55.46 | Gnea | mwilson: you're saying it's not? how can you prove that it's not? |
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| 05:55.51 | Guerin | that's how many minutes it's going to take me to warez this damn match |
| 05:55.58 | mwilson | Gnea: I don't need to prove that it's not. |
| 05:56.08 | trave11er | bah |
| 05:56.14 | trave11er | i was looking on sparc machine |
| 05:56.18 | Gnea | mwilson: so you subscribe to the theory that it's better to be guilty before proven innocent and not the other way around. |
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| 05:56.40 | Gnea | mwilson: have you ever signed an NDA? |
| 05:56.49 | mwilson | Gnea: Yes. |
| 05:56.52 | Neoalex | where can I get woody isos? |
| 05:57.01 | Gnea | mwilson: then you know full well where i'm coming from then. |
| 05:57.08 | Neoalex | for ppc of course |
| 05:57.17 | mwilson | I do? |
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| 05:57.21 | Gnea | indeed. |
| 05:57.29 | Guerin | Neoalex: cdimage.debian.org probably still has some |
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| 05:57.56 | Gnea | mwilson: such a communications medium might prove useful for such things. you've never had that occur? |
| 05:57.58 | mwilson | If you say so. I don't know why there'd be a parallel with signing an NDA, but whatever you like. |
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| 05:58.43 | torrent_masters | >.< now i installed ntop and it started a daemon.. how do i access the daemon or start it so i can see wtf its doing heh |
| 05:58.46 | colera | i can't seem to find a certain package with aptitude is there a way to broaden the repositry or something? |
| 05:58.50 | mwilson | Gnea: It's not what it might be used for, it's what it IS used for. Like bittorrent. |
| 05:58.53 | torrent_masters | er hold that im reading manual |
| 05:58.57 | colera | should i install synaptic or something? |
| 05:58.58 | Guerin | torrent_masters: rtfm |
| 05:59.14 | Guerin | colera: no. what package? |
| 05:59.15 | mwilson | colera: What would installing synaptic do? |
| 05:59.18 | Gnea | mwilson: in this case, i agree with you |
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| 05:59.54 | colera | mwilson: well i remeber with ubuntu i could change the scope of synaptics repository |
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| 06:00.06 | colera | Guerin: it's the taskbar-plugin for xfce |
| 06:00.17 | foobus | Neoalex, go to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_0a/powerpc/bt-cd |
| 06:00.39 | _jfields | i HATE ubuntu...... sorry to ubuntu lovers |
| 06:00.42 | Neoalex | I said woody |
| 06:00.45 | Guerin | colera: xftaskbar or similar |
| 06:00.46 | Neoalex | I have sarge |
| 06:00.48 | _jfields | i like a more true debian sys |
| 06:01.00 | Neoalex | doesn't work on that piece of crap computer |
| 06:01.01 | BibTeX | hello: if I want to make the snd-intel8x0 load automaticly on system start what and where should I type: alias XXXXX snd-intel8x0 |
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| 06:01.10 | Gnea | _jfields: what's wrong with it? |
| 06:01.11 | Guerin | BibTeX: no. |
| 06:01.23 | mwilson | Personally, unless you care about Gnome's wet dream, I don't see any reason to bother with Ubuntuubie. |
| 06:01.24 | Guerin | BibTeX: echo snd-intel8x0 >> /etc/modules |
| 06:01.38 | _jfields | Gnea: why do you ask.... because you are offended... or because you are considering it? |
| 06:01.49 | Gnea | Ubuntu is one of MANY debian derivatives |
| 06:01.53 | _jfields | yep |
| 06:02.01 | BibTeX | Guerin: what does it give ? |
| 06:02.08 | Gnea | _jfields: no, because you said it and because i'm wondering if you've got the balls to back your claim up with some real data |
| 06:02.14 | mwilson | Ubuntu is just the one most holier-than-thou. |
| 06:02.15 | Guerin | BibTeX: it gives that module the ability to loat at boot time |
| 06:02.26 | _jfields | lol.... |
| 06:02.27 | Gnea | i mean |
| 06:02.43 | trave11er | libgtk2-perl maintainer notified and will take care of it asap |
| 06:02.44 | Guerin | well, he just said he hated it |
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| 06:02.50 | Guerin | not that he hated it for a real reason |
| 06:02.52 | BibTeX | Guerin: I c. I checked the file... but then what does modules.conf do here |
| 06:02.53 | trave11er | mwilson: thanks for reporting |
| 06:02.54 | _jfields | i dont like the way the interface is set up by default |
| 06:02.56 | colera | Guerin: no xftaskbar is the actualy taskbar i am looking for the tasbar plugin for the panel it reads, "xfce4-taskbar-plugin_0.2.2-3_i386.deb-1" |
| 06:03.01 | Guerin | BibTeX: don't fuck with modules.conf. |
| 06:03.01 | Gnea | someone took debian and made it look good - it doesn't work on every system, that's for sure, but it's a good step, particularly in the direction of desktop management |
| 06:03.08 | _jfields | i dont like how the user permisions are set up by default |
| 06:03.17 | deadcat | _jfields: stop bitching |
| 06:03.20 | Gnea | then shut your hole and make a better one |
| 06:03.20 | mwilson | trave11er: Another instance of a maintainer not actually bothering to test what he creates, huh? |
| 06:03.22 | _jfields | i dont believe i should have to waste my time setting more configs than i should |
| 06:03.29 | BibTeX | Guerin: lol :) who manages this file |
| 06:03.30 | _jfields | Gnea asked... i answered |
| 06:03.32 | trave11er | mwilson: he blames the buildd |
| 06:03.32 | Gnea | then why would you |
| 06:03.42 | mwilson | trave11er: Of course he does. |
| 06:04.14 | Gnea | _jfields: okay, those are valid reasons - but are you just gonna sit there and whine like a little bitch about it or are you gonna prove you're the better and do something about it? |
| 06:04.18 | Guerin | BibTeX: modutils |
| 06:04.27 | MikkelK2 | Hi. Something is wrong with either my PHP or my MySQL. Have both installed, and they used to work fine, but now they don't (http://mikkelk.dk/egroupware/) phpinfo() here: http://mikkelk.dk Anyone know what i can do? |
| 06:04.36 | chemaja | I assume that Sarge's installer installs devfs when it installs the default 2.4 kernel. Can't find it in Sarge's installation manual, but I've heard that the Sarge installer provides a 2.6 boot target, which installs kernel 2.6 onto the target system. If true, does the 2.6 target install udev instead of devfs? |
| 06:04.55 | mwilson | trave11er: If it's really the buildd, exactly how does he plan to "take care of it"? Hm? |
| 06:05.05 | BibTeX | Guerin: I c.. thx a lot man |
| 06:05.08 | trave11er | mwilson: binary nmu |
| 06:05.26 | _jfields | all i did was state my opinion on a distrobution of the debian flavour of linux and you basically got pissed... even though i backed my claims up..... i hardly call that bitching.... i did not at any point say that i had to use ubuntu or was forced to use ubuntu |
| 06:05.30 | mwilson | chemaja: No, it doesn't install devfs, and you have to actually READ the installation guide in order to know what's in it. |
| 06:05.37 | Gnea | hahahaha |
| 06:05.39 | Gnea | you think i got pissed |
| 06:05.41 | Gnea | that's funny |
| 06:05.54 | mwilson | trave11er: Oh, goodie... so no fix at all for the problem. |
| 06:05.58 | _jfields | you think i was bitching... we're even |
| 06:05.59 | trave11er | mwilson: well, it's actually an MU in that case :-) |
| 06:06.04 | Gnea | fair enough |
| 06:06.19 | trave11er | mwilson: if its really buildd fault, that should take care of it |
| 06:06.40 | _jfields | now that's outta the way... how's everyone doin? |
| 06:06.52 | mwilson | trave11er: So he'll upload binaries for all supported platforms in perpetuity? Please. That's no fix at all. |
| 06:06.57 | chemaja | mwilson: i am reading it. (note that I only ASSUMED devfs install). My real question is whether the 2.6 install also installs udev. |
| 06:07.12 | mwilson | trave11er: Not to mention now you have to audit whether or not his binary was built cleanly or not. |
| 06:07.21 | mwilson | chemaja: No, why would it? |
| 06:07.31 | trave11er | mwilson: the other arches didn't build it yet |
| 06:07.36 | chemaja | chemaja: i have no idea. |
| 06:07.38 | chemaja | er |
| 06:07.43 | chemaja | mwilson: i have no idea |
| 06:07.45 | chemaja | :) |
| 06:07.46 | mwilson | chemaja: I think if you choose to install Gnome, you get the disaster that is udev, but not otherwise. |
| 06:07.49 | trave11er | mwilson: when they will, it will become clear whether it is a single-arch problem :-) |
| 06:07.49 | Gnea | !beer _jfields |
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| 06:08.24 | _jfields | Gnea: thanks... dont mind if i do |
| 06:08.27 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:08.40 | trave11er | mwilson: btw, deb size for arches that built it is reasonable |
| 06:08.41 | foobus | !beer foobus |
| 06:08.42 | _jfields | Gnea: and a beer for you too |
| 06:08.48 | Gnea | cheers |
| 06:08.52 | chemaja | mwilson: i don't plan to run GNOME (or KDE for that matter). "The disaster that is udev"? How is it a disaster? |
| 06:08.57 | foobus | prosit |
| 06:08.59 | trave11er | libgtk2-perl_1.082-1_ia64.deb 01-Jul-2005 14:50 1.1M |
| 06:09.03 | trave11er | etc |
| 06:09.24 | trave11er | mwilson: there is no conspiracy to break your system :-) |
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| 06:09.51 | mwilson | trave11er: Never said there was. There are merely trustable maintainers, and untrustable maintainers. |
| 06:10.23 | trave11er | mwilson: interesting, who's on your list of untrustable ones? |
| 06:10.47 | mwilson | trave11er: d'Itri, Hildebrandt, people like that. |
| 06:10.53 | _jfields | who here still uses sid repo's??? |
| 06:10.55 | JoshH | why dont you trust them? |
| 06:11.12 | mwilson | _jfields: Pretty much anyone who uses unstable on a box, wouldn't you say? |
| 06:11.13 | _jfields | no no no... i trust em... just wondering |
| 06:11.39 | _jfields | lol.... yea.... i would... but there are those who dont... |
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| 06:11.53 | _jfields | you can tell a good bit about a person by which repo's they pull from |
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| 06:12.14 | mwilson | _jfields: You do realize you're making zero sense, right? |
| 06:12.28 | JoshH | ^^ |
| 06:12.41 | _jfields | no.... but that's my world.... so.... moving along |
| 06:12.50 | TiMiDo | i wonder why many people hate, the developers, and stuff the developer they don't really win money they just do it because of fun, and hobbies |
| 06:13.16 | cmihai | Huh |
| 06:13.24 | mwilson | TiMiDo: Someone said they hated a developer? |
| 06:13.33 | _jfields | seriously..... |
| 06:13.35 | _jfields | ? |
| 06:13.42 | Gnea | TiMiDo: well some people actually use this software and when they've got something REALLY important to do and it breaks, well.... |
| 06:14.07 | TiMiDo | or they don't really trust developers, |
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| 06:14.18 | cmihai | If it breaks, all for the better! You get to keep both pieces! |
| 06:14.19 | Gnea | it's not about hating the developer |
| 06:14.29 | foobus | it's because developers have all the power |
| 06:14.31 | cmihai | Can't beat a deal like that! |
| 06:14.33 | Gnea | sure, i've been annoyed with some developers |
| 06:14.36 | _jfields | USUALLY... not ALLWAYS... it's the user's fault it broke ......with linux anyway |
| 06:14.44 | Gnea | but i wouldn't be all "that developer needs to be shot!" |
| 06:14.46 | foobus | they know too much |
| 06:14.56 | Gnea | _jfields: exactly |
| 06:14.57 | mwilson | _jfields: Brother, you *are* rather clueless, aren't you? |
| 06:15.10 | foobus | 8-o |
| 06:15.11 | Gnea | foobus: know too much about what? |
| 06:15.20 | Gnea | naw that's just jealousy |
| 06:15.26 | TiMiDo | about sex, he |
| 06:15.31 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 06:15.34 | _jfields | mwilson: what do you mean |
| 06:15.40 | foobus | about computers, of course. About things joe sixpack has no clue of |
| 06:15.50 | mwilson | I expect unstable to have breakage right now... I expect to have to audit. |
| 06:15.51 | Gnea | foobus: sorry, jealousy isn't good enough |
| 06:15.55 | chemaja | mwilson: can't find anywhere in the installation guide that says whether it installs devfs or not by default. it only says that the installer needs to run in a devfs-enabled kernel environment. |
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| 06:16.36 | foobus | jealousy about all the women developers get |
| 06:16.44 | mwilson | chemaja: So, you asking whether it did, and being given an answer in the negative, wasn't good enough? If you weren't going to believe the answer, why did you ask the question? |
| 06:16.52 | Gnea | jealousy gets you nowhere. |
| 06:16.58 | Gnea | nowhere good, at any rate |
| 06:17.01 | cmihai | foobus: really? How many GB of women do they get ?! |
| 06:17.12 | _jfields | LOL |
| 06:17.13 | foobus | 3 or 4, at least... |
| 06:17.21 | Gnea | dude |
| 06:17.25 | Gnea | that's a lot of pr0n |
| 06:17.30 | mwilson | This is why I laugh out loud at clueless unstable users who wonder why their box doesn't work. |
| 06:17.40 | Gnea | man |
| 06:17.45 | Gnea | i love it when shit breaks in unstable |
| 06:17.46 | foobus | :) |
| 06:17.48 | chemaja | mwilson: the answer was sufficient, but you implied that if i had read the install manual i would've found the answer myself. i read it, and i didn't. |
| 06:17.53 | TiMiDo | big time, |
| 06:17.59 | _jfields | my shit works well in unstable |
| 06:18.10 | Gnea | foobus: yeah, so am i. |
| 06:18.11 | foobus | well, on the other machine |
| 06:18.26 | mwilson | No, I implied that if you had read the manual, you would know the answer about the kernel version that would be installed. I told you point-blank that devfs wasn't going to be installed. |
| 06:18.28 | Gnea | i mean |
| 06:18.34 | Gnea | i used to run unstable all the time |
| 06:18.40 | Gnea | one day i couldn't print |
| 06:18.42 | foobus | omg, on this one too! |
| 06:18.52 | Gnea | so i reformatted and reinstalled sarge |
| 06:18.54 | Gnea | i said fuckit |
| 06:18.57 | Gnea | ran sarge for months |
| 06:18.59 | Gnea | then it went stable |
| 06:19.02 | Gnea | ran that for a week |
| 06:19.14 | Gnea | said "uuuh, i need the latest of this and that.." and went back to unstable |
| 06:19.17 | Gnea | has been fine since |
| 06:19.22 | trave11er | Gnea: :-)) |
| 06:19.23 | _jfields | lol... well my preferred servers are sarge... but if i have to i go sid |
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| 06:19.44 | Gnea | definately |
| 06:19.56 | Gnea | sarge makes the BEST servers |
| 06:19.57 | cmihai | Hm....There's quite a lot of stuff I need from Sid. But otherwise, I'd stick to Etch. |
| 06:20.06 | TiMiDo | feels good to have 2 pcs, with debian |
| 06:20.17 | JoshH | right now the only problem im having with unstable is that my mounted partitions don't show up on my gnome 2.10 desktop anymore, and usb automounting only works sometimes. cd's automount fine though. if i restart dbus after logging into gnome, it all works again. |
| 06:20.18 | Gnea | every pc i have runs debian |
| 06:20.27 | _jfields | i love having a laptop |
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| 06:20.32 | JoshH | from reading around it seems like ubuntu hoary had the same problem |
| 06:20.36 | Gnea | my laptop runs debian |
| 06:20.44 | Gnea | it's a whopping 25 megahertz |
| 06:20.49 | _jfields | that's what im on right now... my laptop |
| 06:20.50 | mwilson | Why would you want them showing up on the desktop in the first place? |
| 06:20.50 | Gnea | with 20 megabytes of ram |
| 06:20.53 | foobus | oh crap! |
| 06:20.53 | _jfields | LOL |
| 06:20.56 | Gnea | and an 800 megabyte hard drive |
| 06:20.57 | TiMiDo | i'm gonna buy a laptop soon i guess |
| 06:20.59 | Gnea | UNF UINF |
| 06:21.04 | cmihai | Spoiled brat. |
| 06:21.10 | Gnea | don't you know it |
| 06:21.13 | JoshH | well, i have my fat32 partition on the desktop, it makes it easier for my GF to manage music files and stuff |
| 06:21.14 | Gnea | it was free too |
| 06:21.15 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:21.16 | mwilson | And whoever thought automount was a good idea by default should be shot. |
| 06:21.21 | _jfields | i was very lucky to have this one given to me by my dad who was wasting it's life with windows |
| 06:21.33 | JoshH | and i like the usb camera automounting because my GF and the command line dont mix either |
| 06:21.43 | Gnea | well see this laptop was gonna get thrown into a dumpster |
| 06:21.57 | Gnea | it was the first machine i ever installed debian on. |
| 06:21.59 | cmihai | Gnea: I have a feeeling it was already there ) |
| 06:22.03 | foobus | _jfields, your dad is leading a dissapated lifestyle |
| 06:22.11 | _jfields | lol |
| 06:22.14 | Gnea | cmihai: i've had it for many years now - and it still works |
| 06:22.30 | Gnea | granted, the battery's toast and the power cord could be reworked |
| 06:22.30 | cmihai | Like... get a real computer man :) |
| 06:22.34 | Gnea | but it still boots |
| 06:22.42 | mwilson | JoshH: I've got no interest in making my machine(s) easier for other people to use. |
| 06:22.42 | Gnea | hhe |
| 06:22.45 | Gnea | i'm typing on it |
| 06:22.50 | chemaja | mwilson: whatever. thanks for your help anyway. |
| 06:22.58 | Gnea | just got a new system fan |
| 06:23.00 | cmihai | Gnea: so you got a free keyboard. So ?! |
| 06:23.03 | Gnea | XP 1700 |
| 06:23.39 | JoshH | mwilson: i liked the automounting myself also, actually. really though, its honestly not that much of a problem, its just the only problem I' |
| 06:23.44 | JoshH | I've had with sid lately |
| 06:23.50 | Gnea | cmihai: without it i would'nt have touched debian - needed a test platform - in fact, redhat and slackware would NOT boot on it, only debian would |
| 06:24.05 | cmihai | 386 ?! |
| 06:24.10 | foobus | I told the guy windows sucked and he was losing and (this was back in win3.1) showed him the 3.0 + 0.11 bug in the calculator |
| 06:24.13 | Gnea | IBM thinkpad 750 |
| 06:24.21 | cmihai | Gnea: 386 or 486 ?! |
| 06:24.21 | mwilson | JoshH: I would never suggest to anyone that they should use Linux, in any case. |
| 06:24.32 | Gnea | cmihai: 486 |
| 06:24.34 | JoshH | me neither |
| 06:24.43 | foobus | he got a Mac |
| 06:24.45 | Gnea | cmihai: SX |
| 06:24.47 | Gnea | ;) |
| 06:24.48 | cmihai | Slackware is i486... it should work. And again |
| 06:24.56 | Gnea | at the time |
| 06:24.58 | Gnea | it would not boot |
| 06:25.01 | cmihai | I wouldn't put anything but NetBSD on something like that. |
| 06:25.02 | JoshH | i definitely think linux should remain a geek os. |
| 06:25.07 | Gnea | and i had been using slack for YEARS |
| 06:25.14 | JoshH | because look at lindows.... |
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| 06:25.23 | JoshH | hell even mandrake is a piece of shit |
| 06:25.24 | Gnea | i didn't get into netbsd for a couple years after that |
| 06:25.41 | JoshH | actually most non debian distros are shit, but i digress |
| 06:25.43 | Gnea | mandrake was a good attempt at making something shitty less shittier |
| 06:25.46 | mangux | ive installed netbsd on a 486, 100 mhz, 4 ram, 80 mb hard disk, and it runs fine |
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| 06:26.00 | Gnea | JoshH: well they're still relatively new |
| 06:26.18 | concept10 | give up guys! throw those old boxes away, let them RIP |
| 06:26.21 | _jfields | yes... we are debian ... we are 1337... LOL... ROFLMAO |
| 06:26.33 | deadcat | _jfields: shut up |
| 06:26.39 | Gnea | !lart _jfields |
| 06:26.44 | cmihai | concept10: well, dude, some work great as router and such. |
| 06:26.44 | trave11er | :-) |
| 06:26.48 | foobus | hah! |
| 06:26.48 | JoshH | fedora sucks, gentoo sucks, mandrake sucks, slackware is cool but it gets impractical after a while, ubuntu is kinda meh, and debian just blows them all away by far. |
| 06:26.53 | _jfields | deadcat: kiss my ass... |
| 06:27.00 | Gnea | now now... |
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| 06:27.07 | rking | how do people input via various charsets in firefox? |
| 06:27.08 | cmihai | Hell, my Intel DX4 100Mhz, 32MB RAM 600MB HDD acts as a router for 60 computers :) |
| 06:27.09 | Gnea | fedora is actually better than mandrake |
| 06:27.09 | _jfields | wtf.... i'm not makin fun... i f'in use it.... |
| 06:27.10 | deadcat | _jfields: no bitch |
| 06:27.16 | cmihai | Running NetBSD, works perfectly :) |
| 06:27.19 | z|bandito | can someone help me test my torrent tracker? |
| 06:27.24 | JoshH | ya, its better than mandrake, but its still ass compared to debian. |
| 06:27.31 | z|bandito | it's a legal download i own the rights to |
| 06:27.31 | Gnea | and gentoo is up there with slack, perhaps a few notches higher |
| 06:27.36 | rking | e.g., i'm trying to search a page for Μπορείτε (utf-8), how can i do this without copy and paste? |
| 06:27.44 | z|bandito | 4mb mp3 file.. |
| 06:28.02 | JoshH | i like debian, freebsd, and ive always had a soft spot in my heart for slackware, but i really don't like anything else at all. |
| 06:28.03 | concept10 | I walked into the distro ranking session |
| 06:28.07 | foobus | damn... how come I can't view that |
| 06:28.11 | foobus | damn xchat |
| 06:28.32 | cmihai | XChat has UTF8 support. Go to connection - edit - UTF8 |
| 06:28.36 | _jfields | deadcat: ass |
| 06:28.56 | deadcat | _jfields: took you that long just to think up "ass"? the fuck |
| 06:29.01 | Gnea | _jfields: dude, give itup |
| 06:29.11 | _jfields | deadcat: no was away |
| 06:29.19 | deadcat | _jfields: sure you were. |
| 06:29.22 | rking | cmihai: i actually have UTF-8 all over my xchat, and i don't know how to use the UIM or XIM support |
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| 06:29.37 | Gnea | debian rocks, but there's room for improvement |
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| 06:29.46 | _jfields | dont really give a fuck anyway... prolly some pre pubescent pimply faced little shit that thinks he ownz the world |
| 06:29.59 | Gnea | _jfields: like you? |
| 06:30.01 | Gnea | ;) |
| 06:30.11 | concept10 | could someone tell me WTF is UTF8? |
| 06:30.14 | _jfields | not at all... |
| 06:30.17 | deadcat | Gnea: well he doesnt ownz the world yet (= |
| 06:30.26 | foobus | cmihai, I can't find what you're talking about in the menus |
| 06:30.34 | Gnea | deadcat: you say 'yet' as if it's inevitable :) |
| 06:30.43 | rking | concept10: where do you want me to start? do you know about ASCII? |
| 06:30.46 | _jfields | yes i do... everytime i apt-build world |
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| 06:30.49 | _jfields | haha |
| 06:30.50 | cmihai | Gnea: well, I found no OS is _best_. It's more like... the right tool for the job. If I need a router, dhcp, etc, I'll use OpenBSD. Old/strange hardware - NetBSD. Server ?! FreeBSD. Oracle && such?! Solaris. Workstation ?! Debian. etc.... |
| 06:30.52 | deadcat | Gnea: you never know, crazy kids these days. |
| 06:30.54 | concept10 | rking, yes |
| 06:31.06 | _jfields | ok then... how old is everyone here? |
| 06:31.07 | cmihai | foobus: oh, keep looking where you connect (select the server). It's there |
| 06:31.10 | concept10 | rking, gimme the short version |
| 06:31.15 | Gnea | cmihai: totally with ya there |
| 06:31.26 | rking | concept10: well, ASCII is, officially, only a 7-bit encoding, meaning you can only express 128 chars using it... which is just about only good for english |
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| 06:31.48 | rking | concept10: utf-8 uses that 8th bit to allow support for any language imaginable, pretty much (including klingon) |
| 06:32.00 | trave11er | rking: lol |
| 06:32.08 | mangux | cmihai cool knowledge :) |
| 06:32.09 | foobus | cmihai, thanks. the listing in my menu is "server-list" |
| 06:32.09 | concept10 | rking, gotcha, thanks |
| 06:32.21 | liable | klingon, you gotta be fucking joking? |
| 06:32.26 | trave11er | rking: 8 bits will give you only 256 chars, not that much more |
| 06:32.46 | trave11er | utf-8 symbols are 4 bytes long or something |
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| 06:32.50 | rking | concept10: if you're tired of seeing gobbledygook when you view international stuff, it may be because you don't have utf-8 all nicely working |
| 06:33.02 | foobus | heheh |
| 06:33.18 | MikkelK2 | Hi. Something is wrong with either my PHP or my MySQL. Have both installed, and they used to work fine, but now they don't (example http://mikkelk.dk/egroupware/) phpinfo() here: http://mikkelk.dk Anyone know what i can do? |
| 06:33.19 | rking | trave11er: no, that's the beauty of it... they can be of arbirtrary length, up to 8 (or more?) |
| 06:33.21 | cmihai | You'll probably need to restart XChat though... |
| 06:33.22 | rking | http://www.travelphrases.info/gallery/Fonts_Klingon.html |
| 06:34.05 | rking | trave11er: if the 8th bit is set, it knows to also look at the next byte |
| 06:34.18 | concept10 | rking, does it support Huttese? I need to send Jabba a short rant. :) |
| 06:34.26 | cmihai | lol :). Do they have the borred of the rings shit ?! |
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| 06:35.50 | foobus | MikkelK2: it appears you have an undefined function |
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| 06:36.50 | warty | does anyone here know how to create a fat32 partition using fdisk? |
| 06:36.51 | rking | concept10: there's room for it... at 32 bits there's still a lot of empty space |
| 06:37.18 | deadcat | warty: cfdisk |
| 06:37.25 | concept10 | warty, man fdisk, its not that hard |
| 06:37.26 | warty | cfdisk? |
| 06:37.32 | warty | concept10, i read the manfile and am still confused. |
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| 06:37.39 | cmihai | t |
| 06:37.44 | breser | Hello. |
| 06:37.57 | cmihai | hell.o |
| 06:37.57 | chemaja | warty: pcguide.com |
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| 06:38.05 | breser | I have a strange request... |
| 06:38.09 | MikkelK2 | foobus, but why do phpmyadmin then say that MySQL isn't loadet: http://mikkelk.dk/phpmyadmin/ |
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| 06:38.38 | foobus | I don't know, maybe your config file was overwritten? |
| 06:39.05 | breser | Can someone with a copy of e2fschk-static (x86) handy send it to me? |
| 06:39.13 | foobus | is mysql running? |
| 06:39.19 | concept10 | warty, basically fdisk /dev/hdwhatever ... press m for help |
| 06:39.37 | warty | do I want to create a primary |
| 06:39.38 | warty | or a logical |
| 06:39.45 | foobus | primary |
| 06:40.06 | foobus | unless all your free space is already in an extended |
| 06:40.10 | warty | k |
| 06:40.34 | cmihai | warty: er... backup your data. Really. Looks like you're going to screw something up/ |
| 06:40.38 | warty | lol |
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| 06:40.56 | bucky | MikkelK2, do you have php4-mysql installed ? |
| 06:41.26 | MikkelK2 | bucky, yes... |
| 06:41.29 | cmihai | Or at least back up your partition table... |
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| 06:41.52 | MikkelK2 | bucky, and it used to work just fine |
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| 06:42.18 | bucky | MikkelK2, maybe you did an upgrade and overwrote a config file |
| 06:42.20 | foobus | MikkelK2... mysqld is running? |
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| 06:42.40 | torrent_masters | dam you webmin |
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| 06:42.43 | torrent_masters | DAM YOUSE |
| 06:43.04 | bucky | hi spdf, spdf_, spdf__ |
| 06:43.25 | spdf | bucky, /detach'd bitchx sessions.. killing them now.. |
| 06:43.57 | cmihai | Heh. screen + irssi == love. |
| 06:45.26 | torrent_masters | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.48 | spdf | I can't find which computer they're on... geez |
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| 06:46.05 | torrent_masters | do yall have any knowlege of how to make webmin work? it says i am rejected from home ip.. arg |
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| 06:46.40 | cmihai | torrent_masters: just use ssh |
| 06:47.04 | spdf | Super.. |
| 06:47.07 | cmihai | Webmin usually opens up a 10000 port (https://IP:10000). (make sure it's https) |
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| 06:47.50 | torrent_masters | ya i tried that and it said i was denyied |
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| 06:48.07 | foobus | selinux |
| 06:48.08 | torrent_masters | Error - Access denied for my.home.ip.here |
| 06:48.14 | spdf | torrent_masters, I believe you need to configure which ip it listens too, if I'm not mistaken.. |
| 06:48.22 | torrent_masters | oi |
| 06:48.30 | torrent_masters | where do i find the config files and whatnot |
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| 06:48.43 | spdf | torrent_masters, /etc, its where the magic happens |
| 06:48.46 | cmihai | torrent_masters: Don't use Webmin. Really..... |
| 06:48.58 | torrent_masters | cmi its not like i WANT to |
| 06:49.08 | torrent_masters | i just want to keep track of current usage and total usage |
| 06:49.28 | torrent_masters | got a better method? i dont want to run ntop as a daemon unless i can see a graph and it logs it.. |
| 06:49.29 | spdf | torrent_masters, Just load? |
| 06:49.29 | MikkelK2 | foobus, i think so, yes |
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| 06:49.43 | concept10 | Is webmin insecure? |
| 06:49.47 | torrent_masters | i need to know load and total bandwidth used |
| 06:49.49 | cmihai | Yes. |
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| 06:50.03 | cmihai | torrent_masters: iftop does that. ntop does that, cacti does that, etc. |
| 06:50.06 | foobus | MikkelK2, well, run ps axuw | grep mysqld and see if it spits anyting out |
| 06:50.10 | concept10 | cmihai, why? gimme and example |
| 06:50.34 | spdf | torrent_masters, As far as graphs go, I'm not sure.. |
| 06:50.37 | torrent_masters | cmihai i tried ntop.. daemon no good no config's asked for.. let me try iftop |
| 06:50.47 | torrent_masters | i dont really care about a graph |
| 06:50.49 | MikkelK2 | foobus, it do |
| 06:50.55 | torrent_masters | i just need to know total usage and current |
| 06:50.58 | spdf | torrent_masters, http://phpsysinfo.sourceforge.net/ isn't too bad.. |
| 06:50.59 | torrent_masters | it could be a number |
| 06:51.07 | MikkelK2 | foobus: mikkelk@e-druid:/root$ mysqltest |
| 06:51.10 | MikkelK2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.15 | spdf | torrent_masters, It shows usage for network, memory... et |
| 06:51.19 | foobus | ? |
| 06:51.51 | mangux | MikkelK2 try mysqltest -u root -p |
| 06:51.51 | MikkelK2 | shouldn't i be able to do that? |
| 06:52.03 | foobus | I don't know. Maybe your password isn't set? |
| 06:52.30 | foobus | try what mangux said. |
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| 06:53.28 | torrent_masters | hmm that doesnt show speed from what im seeing |
| 06:53.45 | spdf | MikkelK2, Have you run mysql_secure_installation? |
| 06:53.56 | spdf | torrent_masters, No, it doens't show link speed.. |
| 06:54.10 | torrent_masters | hm |
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| 06:54.18 | torrent_masters | i could use some of both perhaps |
| 06:54.29 | torrent_masters | mrtg does graphs and this does totals |
| 06:54.32 | torrent_masters | that would be nice |
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| 06:56.37 | nite613 | torrent_masters: Are you trying to gather interface stats for bandwidth accounting? |
| 06:56.43 | nite613 | look at ipac-ng |
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| 06:57.28 | torrent_masters | yes nite613. i have a server at a datacenter which i must keep below a total bw usage and where i can peak burst here and there. thus i must be careful |
| 06:57.35 | torrent_masters | ipac-ng eh |
| 06:58.00 | nite613 | it's useful for watching quota's. You can cron a short script to check and alert you in necesarry |
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| 06:58.03 | MikkelK2 | mangux, after i enter the pwd it just doesn't do anything |
| 06:58.11 | MikkelK2 | spdf, yes |
| 06:58.15 | nite613 | it's not as useful for measuring a short burst in realtime though |
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| 06:58.20 | foobus | torrent_masters, look into the QoS capabilities of the kernel for that |
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| 06:58.39 | mangux | MikkelK2 did you set the mysql root password with mysqladmin? |
| 06:58.46 | foobus | traffic shaping. |
| 06:58.54 | hanasaki | how do i get the hires vga on my text consoles? |
| 06:58.56 | nite613 | Yeah, you should be able to limit burst parameters with QOS |
| 06:59.31 | cmihai | Yup, look into HTB tools and such. |
| 06:59.42 | torrent_masters | QoS? i found that ifconfig wraps fast so that didnt do any good. i used ntop or something like it before.. but it logged etc.. was trying to remember what it was,, i think iftop might be it.. gonna check it out real fast |
| 07:00.10 | foobus | Quality of Service works at a lower level... |
| 07:00.18 | torrent_masters | im on a 100mb port that part is fine i just want to know if im bursting at 20 or at 50mbs is all |
| 07:00.26 | foobus | oh |
| 07:00.34 | MikkelK2 | mangux, once i did, yes... and this shit used to work just fine... GRRRRRRRRRR |
| 07:00.37 | cmihai | torrent_masters: well, you can just limit it to 20MB. Problem solved. |
| 07:00.48 | liable | hanasaki: append vga=(whatever you want) to your kernel line in grubs menu. |
| 07:00.55 | torrent_masters | no not solved cmihai lol |
| 07:01.12 | hanasaki | ah... where do i find the options for after the = ? |
| 07:01.13 | torrent_masters | i can burst at 50mb for an hour or 20 for almost indefinately |
| 07:01.14 | mangux | no idea.. man, bye to everyone, :) |
| 07:01.18 | spdf | hanasaki, try vga=ask first to see a list of availble modes.. |
| 07:01.20 | torrent_masters | :D |
| 07:01.26 | foobus | MikkelK2, there's an option during the mysql install (iirc) that asks whether dpkg (or whatever) should overwrite the data in the db directory. |
| 07:01.30 | hanasaki | hmm gotcha |
| 07:01.35 | cmihai | torrent_masters: so just limit it to 20. You won't loose much. |
| 07:01.39 | spdf | hanasaki, when you find one that works, and you like, change ask to the mode.. |
| 07:01.42 | cmihai | 50, 20... same thing :) |
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| 07:01.43 | foobus | you should have said "no" |
| 07:02.05 | hanasaki | i had 791 |
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| 07:02.21 | hanasaki | worked in kernel 2.6.11.5 but not in 2.6.12.2 |
| 07:02.42 | liable | hanasaki: did you eneble fb in your kernel? |
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| 07:02.48 | cmihai | torrent_masters: do explain this 50MB 1 hour burst... what do you mean, like 1 hour / day ?! you can cron that... |
| 07:02.57 | hanasaki | yes |
| 07:03.05 | MikkelK2 | foobus, no |
| 07:03.23 | nite613 | non-us is gone now, right? |
| 07:03.31 | liable | nite613: /topic |
| 07:03.44 | foobus | ok, I won't |
| 07:03.54 | nite613 | liable: sorry ;) |
| 07:04.18 | liable | :) |
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| 07:04.49 | nevyn | is sarge NPTL if you use the 2.6 kernel |
| 07:04.50 | nevyn | ? |
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| 07:05.02 | nite613 | NPTL? |
| 07:05.23 | hanasaki | liable: i hvae framebuffer console support compiled in |
| 07:05.24 | foobus | Not Phor Teh Lusers |
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| 07:05.41 | cmihai | lol |
| 07:05.57 | liable | hanasaki: hmm, strange it doesnt work then, try ask and see how you go. |
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| 07:06.28 | hanasaki | ok |
| 07:06.31 | nite613 | haha, NPTL |
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| 07:07.06 | hanasaki | just what does 791 mean? |
| 07:07.34 | cmihai | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.55 | deadcat | hanasaki: 16bit color, 1024x768 reso i think |
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| 07:08.12 | deadcat | hanasaki: theres a chart. search it |
| 07:08.28 | cmihai | It's in /usr/share/doc usually... |
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| 07:09.09 | chemaja | or /usr/src/linux/Documentation/00-INDEX |
| 07:09.21 | torrent_masters | hmm |
| 07:09.26 | torrent_masters | iftop not quite nice |
| 07:09.45 | torrent_masters | cmihai mind joining flood for a sec? |
| 07:10.56 | cmihai | torrent_masters: all righty.... |
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| 07:11.31 | cmihai | Right. |
| 07:11.34 | cmihai | www.pastebin.com |
| 07:11.41 | cmihai | Or something like that. |
| 07:12.55 | foobus | cmihai, #flood, I think |
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| 07:13.46 | cmihai | brb, changing pc's... |
| 07:13.50 | torrent_masters | o.O |
| 07:14.04 | torrent_masters | http://pastebin.com/306723 |
| 07:14.13 | torrent_masters | im wondering where the rate is there |
| 07:14.19 | torrent_masters | its not making sense to my eyes |
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| 07:15.22 | kadigibox | hey what happend to lame library? Do I have to search under a different name for the binaries or is Lame not available anymore? |
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| 07:16.56 | Withdraw | am i able to write to a ntfs partition? |
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| 07:17.24 | deadcat | Withdraw: you can. but not recommeneded |
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| 07:17.33 | Guerin | Withdraw: sure, using windows. |
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| 07:17.54 | Guerin | !tell kadigibox about lame |
| 07:17.55 | Withdraw | is it cuz its unstable? |
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| 07:18.00 | Guerin | Withdraw: no. |
| 07:18.07 | Guerin | what is cuz? |
| 07:18.10 | Guerin | cousin? |
| 07:18.19 | Withdraw | yeah like "what up cuz?" |
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| 07:18.36 | Guerin | then it's definitely not a cousin of unstable |
| 07:18.38 | Withdraw | no like because |
| 07:18.45 | Withdraw | heh |
| 07:18.49 | Guerin | the answer's still no |
| 07:18.49 | torrent_masters | hm |
| 07:18.54 | Withdraw | whats the problem w/ it? |
| 07:19.01 | Withdraw | or problem w/ ntfs |
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| 07:19.22 | Guerin | Withdraw: the problem with ntfs is that it's very complicated, and microsoft won't release the specs. |
| 07:19.23 | torrent_masters | guerin what was that command to write in a dns server? i am going to use one from my house lol at least my server is resolving that site i need to get to |
| 07:19.33 | Guerin | Withdraw: so nobody knows how it really works. |
| 07:19.45 | Withdraw | ill ask bill |
| 07:19.47 | Guerin | torrent_masters: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:19.53 | Withdraw | im sure he will tell me |
| 07:19.54 | Guerin | Withdraw: please do. |
| 07:20.06 | Guerin | Withdraw: post your findings on lkml |
| 07:20.17 | torrent_masters | ahh thankyou guerin. can i put in multiple dns servers or is that just in case the server cant actually reach the first one? |
| 07:20.32 | Guerin | torrent_masters: put in as many as you like, each on its own line |
| 07:20.36 | foobus | gates? |
| 07:21.04 | foobus | torrent_masters, up to three, no more |
| 07:21.09 | Guerin | ? |
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| 07:21.16 | Guerin | foobus: why? |
| 07:21.18 | Withdraw | no i just have a friend named bill. not gates |
| 07:21.26 | foobus | i don't know. that's the standard |
| 07:21.30 | cmihai | torrent_masters: then just use iptraf, it's easier to use. |
| 07:21.46 | Guerin | foobus: ... |
| 07:21.50 | cmihai | It's also more powerfull I guess. |
| 07:21.51 | streuner | hm |
| 07:21.58 | Draconicus | Um... |
| 07:22.01 | Guerin | foobus: so you're just blindly spouting shit, then. |
| 07:22.29 | torrent_masters | BINGO! <3 Guerin :D:D |
| 07:22.35 | foobus | yup... read it somewhere recently |
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| 07:22.48 | Guerin | foobus: therefoore it must be true. |
| 07:23.16 | foobus | I didn't say I was an absolute authority... |
| 07:23.28 | sema4 | I thought 3.1 installer was suppose to have grub as the boot loader ? ... anyone know why it aint? |
| 07:23.42 | foobus | you are prompting me to look it up... |
| 07:23.56 | Draconicus | Is there an application that I can use to read and separate the text in PDF documents? |
| 07:23.57 | liable | sema4: wrong install disk? |
| 07:24.06 | Guerin | foobus: go on, then. |
| 07:24.16 | Guerin | Draconicus: pdftotext |
| 07:24.19 | sema4 | liable: 3.1r0a net inst |
| 07:25.18 | foobus | see, I can tell these things |
| 07:25.19 | Draconicus | Guerin: that's not a package, I take it? |
| 07:25.46 | Guerin | Draconicus: dunno. /msg dpkg search |
| 07:25.49 | Draconicus | pdftohtml might do for now, but I'd like to try that if I can find it. It doesn't seem to be an apt package, so I'd imagine it needs separate installation. |
| 07:25.50 | foobus | http://publibn.boulder.ibm.com/doc_link/en_US/a_doc_lib/files/aixfiles/resolv.conf.htm |
| 07:26.02 | Guerin | Draconicus: it's a program, dunno what package it's in. |
| 07:26.10 | Draconicus | Huh. |
| 07:26.22 | foobus | yep |
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| 07:26.26 | Draconicus | dpkg isn't here. |
| 07:26.35 | sema4 | liable: so ... is grub suppose to be on there ... maybe my "complex" install attempt deemed grub as an unworthy loader? |
| 07:26.52 | Draconicus | Well, it is, but it isn't responding. |
| 07:26.56 | Guerin | foobus: right you are. |
| 07:27.01 | Neoalex | how do I change my keymap back... I changed now my keyboard doesn |
| 07:27.04 | Neoalex | twork |
| 07:27.10 | Guerin | foobus: not a hard limit - that's apparently defined by resolv.h |
| 07:27.18 | foobus | yeah... |
| 07:27.39 | streuner | Neoalex: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 07:29.01 | Neoalex | ok but how do I run that if I don't have any keyboard? |
| 07:29.17 | Guerin | Draconicus: ask apt or ravenbird |
| 07:29.19 | freewoody | Can I shape bandwidth according to IPs from a swithc ? |
| 07:29.25 | freewoody | switch |
| 07:29.33 | cplx | How do I change the hostname permenately again? apart from typing hostname' |
| 07:30.27 | streuner | Neoalex: What do you think? magic? connect a working keyboard on that box or do you have remote access? |
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| 07:31.53 | deadcat | cplx: /etc/hostname and grep -r `hostname` /etc/* |
| 07:32.32 | Neoalex | I don't have remote access... just installed it |
| 07:32.49 | sema4 | can either grub or lilo boot an image (and initrd) from a root partition from an LVM partition? |
| 07:33.04 | Glanzmann | sema4: both can, AFAIK. |
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| 07:33.43 | streuner | Neoalex: so say what you exactly did? |
| 07:33.43 | Neoalex | I tried a USB keyboard, doesn't work either |
| 07:34.27 | Zac | Could anybody help me? XFree86 does not work: "vm86() syscall generated signal 4" |
| 07:34.48 | streuner | Neoalex: what did you change after install process? |
| 07:34.50 | sema4 | the lvm = hda2, with / and /home both in that LVM partition ... 1) grub was not an avialable option; 2) lilo fooked the partition; and so now I have to remember how to unfuck doze's bootloader |
| 07:35.25 | Neoalex | I changed the keymap to a mac keyboard |
| 07:35.32 | Neoalex | which I use |
| 07:36.04 | streuner | Neoalex: ok, just reinstall |
| 07:36.28 | Neoalex | noooooo |
| 07:36.32 | Neoalex | damn it |
| 07:36.39 | Neoalex | no other solution |
| 07:37.16 | streuner | dude, if those keyboards aren't work anymore, how do you want change something then? |
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| 07:37.47 | Neoalex | they worked... I just thought it didn't use all the buttons... I know stupid idea |
| 07:37.59 | streuner | Past Tense |
| 07:38.03 | Neoalex | they both work |
| 07:38.09 | Neoalex | well... |
| 07:38.14 | Neoalex | it's not hte keyboards |
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| 07:38.23 | Neoalex | it's me... I'm an idiot |
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| 07:38.54 | chealer | how does the i386 defconfig translate to the stock kernels config? are the differences documented and explained somewhere? |
| 07:41.54 | freewoody | Where do I have to put a script so that it excuates on bootup |
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| 07:42.42 | ikslaw0k | how can I configure debian to print to a shared printer on an xp system? |
| 07:44.05 | Draconicus | Guerin: Thanks for the advice, but I got it. I used pdftohtml and copied the resulting text. Now I have the original Unix 1.0 Manuals in raw text form. They will be utilized nicely in my Star Wars screensaver. :) |
| 07:44.09 | foobus | freewoody, look into update-rc.d |
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| 07:46.27 | chemaja | ikslaw0k: samba.netfilter.org |
| 07:46.29 | Yokaloshi | when i boot into debian, i dont get the visualy pleasing log-in screen i just get a command line type log-in screen and no programs will execute |
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| 07:47.05 | chemaja | ikslaw0k: it's got a good HTML guide |
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| 07:47.14 | Guerin | Yokaloshi: so log in and install x-window-system |
| 07:47.22 | fge | any schedules for debian xorg?= |
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| 07:47.30 | Guerin | !topicbadger fge |
| 07:47.31 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that fge didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 07:47.40 | abyss | exists any apt-get mirror for laptop packages? |
| 07:47.53 | deadcat | fge: 1 week i heard |
| 07:48.02 | Guerin | deadcat: heard where? |
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| 07:48.13 | deadcat | Guerin: i am fucking with him |
| 07:48.15 | Guerin | abyss: wtf is a 'laptop package'? |
| 07:48.20 | Guerin | deadcat: ... |
| 07:48.22 | sema4 | abyss: what is a "laptop" package? |
| 07:48.28 | spdf | fge, As soon as the code moves into a modular tree, I believe.. So, Septemberish.. |
| 07:48.28 | fge | nice to hear that |
| 07:48.30 | deadcat | abyss: apt-get install debian-laptop |
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| 07:48.59 | Yokaloshi | what is the command for getting the x-window system? |
| 07:49.27 | Guerin | Yokaloshi: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 07:49.28 | chealer | Zac: what's your video card? |
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| 07:49.38 | Yokaloshi | thnx guerin |
| 07:49.41 | Guerin | Yokaloshi: as root. you might also want to install a window manager of some sort |
| 07:49.54 | Yokaloshi | command for that? |
| 07:50.01 | Guerin | Yokaloshi: depends what you want to install. |
| 07:50.05 | chemaja | Yokaloshi: nah twm is teh r0x0r |
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| 07:50.20 | Yokaloshi | eh? |
| 07:50.42 | chemaja | Yokaloshi: er, i mean "apt-get install xfce4" ;) |
| 07:51.03 | Yokaloshi | lol are you sure about that chemaja ;) |
| 07:51.03 | Guerin | Yokaloshi: so apt-get install x-window-system xfce4 gdm |
| 07:51.06 | jerome | twm is well know as the pink and green thingy. |
| 07:51.11 | spdf | !start a wm war |
| 07:51.11 | dpkg | fluxbox makes me vomit! |
| 07:51.13 | Guerin | yeah, xfce4 is a good choice |
| 07:51.18 | Yokaloshi | thanks guys |
| 07:51.20 | spdf | dpkg, Angry Noises! |
| 07:51.44 | spdf | !stopa wm war |
| 07:51.46 | spdf | !stop a wm war |
| 07:51.46 | dpkg | GUIs are for wussies, REAL MEN use CLI |
| 07:51.51 | chemaja | hahahahahaha |
| 07:51.54 | spdf | Oooo.. |
| 07:52.46 | chemaja | dpkg is kind of on the money tonight |
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| 07:53.31 | fge | spdf, where can i get list of dpkg's abilities :) |
| 07:54.14 | chemaja | fge: i think it's a secret |
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| 07:54.54 | chemaja | !tell us how to use you |
| 07:55.01 | fge | chemaja, knowledge is to share |
| 07:55.22 | ikslaw0k | how would i apt-get install cups? |
| 07:55.26 | ikslaw0k | it says it can't find it. |
| 07:55.29 | abyss_ | exists any (non-)official apt-get mirror for laptop packgages |
| 07:55.31 | Draconicus | I know this isn't the place to ask, but I'm clueless and really need to get something done. A certain screensaver uses text programs to display the desired text. I figured I could just throw everything I wanted in a giant quotation and it'd be fine, but there are small quotation mismatches within the pasted text. What kind of header/tail can I put on it that will make it bypass and indications of an action to take within the t |
| 07:55.31 | Draconicus | ext body? |
| 07:55.32 | foobus | you need a couple hundred dollars for that, and a nice car |
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| 07:55.48 | abyss_ | apt-cache search cups |
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| 07:55.58 | abyss_ | i think its libcups |
| 07:56.10 | abyss_ | or anything like |
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| 07:56.17 | chemaja | cupsys, perhaps. |
| 07:56.28 | fge | cupsys |
| 07:56.33 | abyss_ | nvm |
| 07:56.39 | spdf | Draconicus, maybe a search and replace to change " to ''? |
| 07:57.01 | abyss_ | ikslaw0k : cupsys then like fge and chemaja said |
| 07:57.04 | Draconicus | spdf: Huh? Aren't those the same thing? |
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| 07:57.49 | foobus | Draconicus, that's your font that has you fooled |
| 07:58.13 | torrent_masters | hmm |
| 07:58.16 | Guerin | Draconicus: this is why you should use monospace fonts |
| 07:58.16 | Draconicus | Ah! |
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| 07:58.18 | foobus | he typed a double quote, then two single quotes |
| 07:58.21 | chemaja | fooled me too, but i'm 2m from my monitor :) |
| 07:58.24 | Draconicus | Not in IRC. :P |
| 07:58.34 | Guerin | yes, in irc |
| 07:58.36 | torrent_masters | how can i tell if i have open ports? and what ports are being actively used? |
| 07:58.44 | spdf | torrent_masters, nmap |
| 07:58.45 | abyss_ | i compiled a kernel image with all acpi function on, now i got a problem if i start this kernel it only switch the shell resolution to 1024x768@32 and do nothing! |
| 07:58.49 | Guerin | torrent_masters: nmap yourself |
| 07:58.57 | chemaja | torrent_masters: netstat -ltunp |
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| 07:59.21 | Eulex | abyss, "does nothing"? locks up? shows an error message? etc |
| 07:59.31 | abyss_ | nothing |
| 07:59.43 | abyss_ | it stops doin anything |
| 07:59.52 | abyss_ | hangsup |
| 07:59.57 | chemaja | It shows a message saying "Doing nothing..." |
| 07:59.58 | streuner_ | Neoalex: still around? |
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| 08:00.19 | Eulex | abyss_, so, it locks up |
| 08:00.25 | Eulex | chemaja, hehe |
| 08:00.25 | abyss_ | yes |
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| 08:00.54 | abyss_ | chemaja : yes a blinkin red message : tell the channel that im do nothing ;) |
| 08:01.11 | torrent_masters | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:55482 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2461/python |
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| 08:01.14 | foobus | ohoh |
| 08:01.22 | Eulex | abyss_, acpi should be turned on in the stock kernel, you don't need to make your own kernel for that |
| 08:01.25 | torrent_masters | that would mean that python is listening on 2461? or 55482 |
| 08:01.35 | usn | good morning |
| 08:01.41 | chemaja | torrent_masters: 55482 |
| 08:01.43 | Eulex | torrent_masters, 55482 afaik |
| 08:01.48 | chemaja | torrent_masters: by process 2461 |
| 08:01.56 | torrent_masters | ah :D sweet thanx |
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| 08:02.08 | abyss_ | no in the kernel-image-2.6.8-2 with kernel-headers for k7 it seems that anly battery status is workin |
| 08:02.23 | abyss_ | no fan stats or else |
| 08:02.24 | foobus | torrent_masters, uh... bittorrent? |
| 08:03.31 | abyss_ | no temperatur stats causes that my laptop if i run powernowd hangs cause powernowd forgot to turn on my fan aggain. |
| 08:03.42 | Eulex | abyss_, "only battery status"?. I've got battery stats and thermal stats... though I haven't got fan stats. I've never seen acpi being able to see fan stats. maybe your computer is compatible with i8k? |
| 08:04.14 | abyss_ | i8k? |
| 08:04.36 | chemaja | "i-am-a-schmuk"? |
| 08:04.43 | abyss_ | what your acpi is putout? |
| 08:04.59 | abyss_ | i need the thermal stats too |
| 08:05.02 | Eulex | abyss_, btw, your nick is very similar to abyss, please consider changing your nick, cos auto-completion is getting confused |
| 08:05.05 | chemaja | "internal processor cook"? |
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| 08:05.09 | MikkelK | i can login to my MySQL using "mysql -u root -p |
| 08:05.09 | MikkelK | ", but not "mysqltest -u root -p", then it just hangs and if i try to change my password using "mysqladmin -u root password 'testpassword'" it says "mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 08:05.09 | MikkelK | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.09 | MikkelK | error: 'Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)' |
| 08:05.09 | MikkelK | " What can be wrong? |
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| 08:05.36 | Eulex | abyss_, if it's a dell, it's maybe compatible with the i8k utils, which can show that |
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| 08:06.08 | abyss2 | i have a Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo K7600 |
| 08:06.20 | Eulex | abyss2, that's not much better... however, do you know if your computer is capable of showing fan stats? |
| 08:06.29 | foobus | MikkelK, what does 'file /path/to/mysqltest' say it is? |
| 08:06.50 | Eulex | MikkelK, do not paste in here |
| 08:07.11 | MikkelK | Eulex, sorry, i thought it was in one line... |
| 08:07.12 | foobus | oh yeah... MikkelK do not paste in here... |
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| 08:07.28 | foobus | :) |
| 08:07.52 | MikkelK | it says it's an executable |
| 08:08.24 | foobus | bummer. what's printed when you type 'mysqltest -h'? |
| 08:08.57 | cplx | oakland@C1-AU-AP1:~$ su |
| 08:08.57 | cplx | Password: |
| 08:08.57 | cplx | No shell |
| 08:09.05 | MikkelK | foobus, mysqltest: option '-h' requires an argument |
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| 08:09.08 | cplx | What can I do? |
| 08:09.15 | Eulex | abyss2, and if a kernel-recompile would help, I'd not say it's worth it. btw, what did you enable in your kernel config so that fan stats would work with your newly compiled kernel |
| 08:09.19 | foobus | heheh |
| 08:09.41 | foobus | MikkelK, what package does it belong to, if any? |
| 08:09.52 | cplx | I have mistakenly setup a wrong shell for root.. I know the root pass.. so what can I do? |
| 08:10.06 | Eulex | cplx, check the root entry in /etc/passwd |
| 08:10.07 | foobus | dpkg -S /path/to/mysqltest |
| 08:10.09 | dpkg | Dingos ate my /path/to/mysqltest! |
| 08:10.11 | foobus | I think |
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| 08:10.13 | abyss2 | in acpi i enabled all |
| 08:10.15 | MikkelK | foobus, no idea |
| 08:10.21 | cplx | Eulex: It's wrong.. so how do I change it without root..? |
| 08:10.22 | caphuso | cplx: su -s /bin/sh |
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| 08:10.37 | cplx | su -s /bin/sh |
| 08:10.37 | cplx | Password: |
| 08:10.37 | cplx | No shell |
| 08:10.37 | foobus | dpkg will tell you (not #debian's...) |
| 08:10.43 | abyss2 | and in powermgnt too |
| 08:10.47 | torrent_masters | interesting...... |
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| 08:11.09 | Eulex | cplx, hah, what shell are you normally running |
| 08:11.14 | cplx | bash.. |
| 08:11.16 | cplx | or zsh |
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| 08:11.24 | cplx | same thing.. |
| 08:11.28 | Eulex | cplx, su -s /bin/bash? su -s /bin/zsh? |
| 08:11.29 | cplx | 'No Shell' |
| 08:11.34 | cplx | yep.. tried them |
| 08:11.49 | caphuso | cplx: hrm |
| 08:11.56 | MikkelK | foobus, what dpkg should i use? :S |
| 08:12.04 | Eulex | abyss2, and those weren't enabled in the stock kernel config? |
| 08:12.06 | caphuso | cplx: "/msg dpkg i forgot root's password", and run chsh instead of passwd |
| 08:12.18 | foobus | MikeH, yeah, type 'dpkg -S /path/to/thingy' |
| 08:12.24 | foobus | oops |
| 08:12.34 | foobus | MikkelK, yeah, type 'dpkg -S /path/to/thingy' |
| 08:12.46 | caphuso | cplx: and next time you mess with the root account, keep a shell open until you confirmed that you didn't mess up |
| 08:12.53 | torrent_masters | ok lets see here |
| 08:13.04 | cplx | caphuso: will do.. so theres no easier way around it? |
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| 08:13.23 | MikkelK | foobus, mysql-server |
| 08:13.59 | caphuso | cplx: not unless you have another way of becoming root |
| 08:14.12 | cplx | fek.. |
| 08:14.17 | Eulex | cplx, sudo? |
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| 08:15.20 | cplx | Eulex: I have tried su.. 'su -s /bin/bash' |
| 08:15.22 | cplx | Result: |
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| 08:15.29 | abyss | re |
| 08:15.34 | cplx | Password: |
| 08:15.35 | cplx | No shell |
| 08:15.43 | Eulex | cplx, I said sudo |
| 08:15.52 | cplx | sudo |
| 08:15.52 | cplx | -bash: sudo: command not found |
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| 08:15.53 | cplx | ? |
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| 08:16.05 | MikkelK | foobus, i have tried to reconfigure it. No luck |
| 08:16.14 | hellz | hi, which is the best fm radio player in linux |
| 08:16.15 | abyss | anything said as i had my disconnect |
| 08:16.26 | streuner | !info sudo |
| 08:16.32 | dpkg | sudo: (Provide limited super user privileges to specific users), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.8p9-2 (sid), Packaged size: 155 kB, Installed size: 380 kB |
| 08:16.43 | MikkelK | foobus, okay. Thanks anyway |
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| 08:16.56 | Eulex | cplx, sudo is very common, but obviously you didn't have it |
| 08:17.00 | Yokaloshi | guerin.... what you told me to do, it didnt do anything i still get the command line log-in |
| 08:17.03 | cplx | ouch. |
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| 08:17.15 | Eulex | hellz, "fm player"? |
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| 08:17.36 | pwk | hi guys, is it possible to run gcc-4.0.0 on debian sarge without major hassles? If so, how. If not, why. |
| 08:18.12 | cplx | root:x:0:0:root:/root:/usr/bin/bash |
| 08:18.16 | cplx | :@ |
| 08:18.23 | transgress | i gotta remember to label my cd's |
| 08:18.46 | Eulex | cplx, umh... /usr/bin/bash and not /bin/bash? |
| 08:18.46 | fge | pwk DIST=unstable apt-get install gcc or something like that |
| 08:18.58 | Eulex | cplx, try su -s /usr/bin/bash |
| 08:19.07 | abyss | Eulex : the i8k utils doesnt work for my laptop |
| 08:19.15 | hellz | Eulex: there's no fm player like package in debiab |
| 08:19.16 | pwk | fge, can I make it show me what dependencies that will pull? |
| 08:19.19 | hellz | sorry debian |
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| 08:19.31 | cplx | mm I meant to put /bin/bash |
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| 08:19.32 | cplx | not usr |
| 08:19.34 | cplx | fek |
| 08:19.39 | cplx | i have zsh tho |
| 08:19.43 | Eulex | abyss, I said that they were for dells... |
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| 08:19.58 | abyss | Eulex : i remmeber |
| 08:20.00 | cplx | no bash in /usr/bin |
| 08:20.11 | cplx | only zsh.. but when I try su -s /usr/bin/zsh |
| 08:20.12 | cplx | same thing |
| 08:20.13 | cplx | wtf |
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| 08:20.19 | abyss | Eulex : any other idea to get on my thermal stats? |
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| 08:20.52 | Eulex | abyss, thermal stats are compiled into the kernel... I dunno about fan stats, I've never seen any fan stats being retrieved by acpi |
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| 08:21.05 | hellz | eulex: fmtools |
| 08:21.09 | Yokaloshi | chemaja? do you have any idea of what i should do? i have done 'apt-get install x-window-system xfce4 gdm' but i still get the same screen as before |
| 08:21.09 | sema4 | is the debian 3.1 stable installer suppose to be able to run with root on an LVM partition? |
| 08:21.17 | abyss | Eulex : but i see no thermal stats at acpi output |
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| 08:21.30 | cplx | Eulex: There is no bash in /usr/bin only zsh (/usr/bin/zsh) .. when I try su -s /usr/bin/zsh its still giving me the no shell message.. |
| 08:21.35 | chemaja | Yokaloshi: "same screen as before"? |
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| 08:21.48 | spdf | abyss, You've tried lm-sensors? |
| 08:22.02 | Eulex | abyss, what did you enable in your newly compiled kernel, that is not enabled in the stock kernel, that was supposed to get you fan stats and thermal stats |
| 08:22.02 | chemaja | sema4: i'll let you know on Monday :) |
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| 08:22.09 | debugger | morning |
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| 08:22.14 | Yokaloshi | chemaja: ye the command line type log-in instead of the graphical one |
| 08:22.19 | Eulex | abyss, is your computer capable of showing thermal stats? |
| 08:22.30 | chemaja | sema4: AFAIK, the d-i does, but grub may have an issue. See the Installation Manual and/or mailing lists. |
| 08:22.34 | abyss | sure its a one year old laptop |
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| 08:22.44 | abyss | AMD Athlon Mobile |
| 08:22.44 | cplx | Eulex : Can I edit a file with root like.. using another account but providing the root pass to edit the file |
| 08:22.55 | chemaja | Yokaloshi: you want a CLI login, not gdm? |
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| 08:23.07 | spdf | cplx, su -c "vi /etc/passwd" or something like that.. |
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| 08:23.35 | Yokaloshi | chemaja: i want a graphical log-in rather thn the CLI |
| 08:23.48 | spdf | Yokaloshi, Install kdm/gdm/xdm.. your pick |
| 08:23.50 | sema4 | chemaja: the reason I ask is ... ... OK ... both times ... grub was never offered ... lilo was just assumed by the installer instead ... and when lilo was "installed" ... it failed in a big way (ie ... screwing it so that I couldn't boot doze either) |
| 08:23.52 | cplx | oakland@C1-AU-AP1:/usr/bin$ su -c "vi /etc/passwd" |
| 08:23.52 | cplx | Password: |
| 08:23.52 | cplx | No shell |
| 08:23.57 | Eulex | abyss, "sure it's a one year old laptop" is not a good answer... do you explicitlty *know* that it can show thermal stats... have you seen em? I know of a 6 months old laptop that can show neither fan stats nor thermal stats |
| 08:23.58 | cplx | spdf: nup :( |
| 08:24.04 | Yokaloshi | spdf: i have gdm |
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| 08:24.06 | Eulex | cplx, we know that already |
| 08:24.09 | spdf | cplx, Then.. You're F'd. |
| 08:24.10 | cplx | yeah.. |
| 08:24.16 | chemaja | Yokaloshi: okay, what do you see in the 6th VC? |
| 08:24.22 | abyss | yes on other os it shows |
| 08:24.23 | cplx | Thing that get's me.. Why can't I use another shell like with su -s ? |
| 08:24.25 | cplx | :\ |
| 08:25.11 | cplx | wtf.. whY cant I even use a command.. it doesnt need a shell to edit the fkn file |
| 08:25.12 | cplx | etc |
| 08:25.14 | cplx | wtf* |
| 08:25.16 | Eulex | abyss, shows in what util/program? does it have a special program/driver for it? |
| 08:25.33 | abyss | spdf : lm-sensors exist not for 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 08:25.43 | spdf | cplx, is sudo installed? perhaps you could 'su -c visudo' |
| 08:26.03 | cplx | nah.. It's not installed :( |
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| 08:26.12 | foobus | cplx: try making a symlink or hardlink from the shell you have to something named bash or sh |
| 08:26.20 | cplx | locate sudo |
| 08:26.21 | cplx | /usr/share/zsh/4.2.5/functions/Completion/Unix/_sudo |
| 08:26.22 | sema4 | what's the best way to setup exim for a laptop? |
| 08:26.45 | deadcat | sema4: turn that shit off (= |
| 08:26.48 | abyss | on a ms-os i have to install the firmdriver&&app and this show the fanspeed and the temp |
| 08:27.04 | Eulex | abyss, I can't find any lm-sensors for any 2.6 kernel... are you sure lm-sensors is needed on 2.6 |
| 08:27.06 | streuner | sema4: you want run a mail-server on the laptop? |
| 08:27.10 | ikslaw0k | how do I search the apt cache? |
| 08:27.10 | sema4 | deadcat: :-) ... how do I submit bugreports? |
| 08:27.13 | foobus | cplx: just do 'cd /usr/bin && ln <whatever shell you do have> bash' |
| 08:27.21 | chemaja | sema4: you probably want local mail delivery only |
| 08:27.24 | streuner | ikslaw0k: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:27.39 | foobus | damn. no you can't |
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| 08:27.48 | abyss | Eulex : Im not sure, if im sure then i dont have to ask here ;) |
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| 08:27.56 | sema4 | chemaja: like i said ... how do I `reportbug` ? |
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| 08:28.03 | Eulex | abyss, that is a special thing for your mobo, that may not be supported in linux. |
| 08:28.06 | cplx | foobus: whatever shell you do have, referring to what? |
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| 08:28.26 | roler | how do I set debian to not load certain packages, such as mysql/apache on startup? |
| 08:28.42 | Eulex | abyss, what did you enable in your kernel config, that is not enabled in the stock kernel, and that was supposed to cure this problem? |
| 08:28.48 | chemaja | sema4: huh? like you said? i was responding to the exim question. |
| 08:28.50 | foobus | it won't work. but whatever shell you have now: echo $SHELL or echo $shell if you have csh |
| 08:28.55 | kenk | Guerin, are you around? |
| 08:29.06 | abyss | Eulex :one moment |
| 08:29.06 | cplx | its bash |
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| 08:29.14 | foobus | you have bash? |
| 08:29.18 | cplx | cd /usr/bin && ln /bin/bash bash |
| 08:29.18 | cplx | ln: creating hard link `bash' to `/bin/bash': Operation not permitted |
| 08:29.21 | sema4 | chemaja: if I only have local delivery ... how does a bugreport get out of the system? |
| 08:29.25 | cplx | echo $SHELL |
| 08:29.25 | cplx | /bin/bash |
| 08:29.31 | foobus | but root doesn't? what was the root line in passwd again? |
| 08:29.44 | cplx | root:x:0:0:root:/root:/usr/bin/bash |
| 08:29.50 | cplx | meant to be /bin/bash |
| 08:29.52 | chemaja | sema4: via your regular email account?? |
| 08:30.01 | Eulex | cplx, what about using a live cd to modify it? |
| 08:30.11 | cplx | live cd? |
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| 08:30.27 | Eulex | cplx, linux live cd... knoppix is the most known |
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| 08:30.41 | cplx | ah right, I don't have local access to the machine at the moment.. |
| 08:30.48 | sema4 | chemaja: ok ... im gonna play dumb here ... so ... when I type "mail blah" to send an email from the console ... it goes out via "kmail" ??? |
| 08:31.01 | Eulex | cplx, oh |
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| 08:31.09 | cplx | Thats my whole issue :( |
| 08:31.12 | Eulex | sema4, mail is probably symlinked to kmail |
| 08:31.25 | abyss | AC Adapter,Battery,Button,Fan,Processor,Thermal |
| 08:31.29 | cplx | foobus: any other suggestions? |
| 08:31.33 | chemaja | sema4: i have no idea what your system does. |
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| 08:31.57 | Eulex | abyss, and that is not enabled in the stock kernel? |
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| 08:32.14 | abyss | only battery was autoenabled |
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| 08:32.29 | abyss | all other where not '*' instead 'M' |
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| 08:32.57 | Eulex | abyss, that means that they are modules and have to be loaded with modprobe |
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| 08:33.05 | Eulex | abyss, otherwise, no difference |
| 08:33.18 | abyss | Eulex :ohhh |
| 08:33.21 | Eulex | abyss, so, you needed no kernel recompile |
| 08:33.29 | sema4 | chemaja: do you know what `reportbug` is/does? |
| 08:33.42 | Eulex | sema4, rtfm |
| 08:33.50 | abyss | Eulex : ok understand and now way to get powernowd right to work |
| 08:34.02 | Eulex | abyss, eh? |
| 08:34.06 | debugger | the apt sources.list file can contains lines in the form ``deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free', how can I see which sections are available (the ``main contrib non-free'' part)? |
| 08:34.13 | Eulex | abyss, what kernel? |
| 08:34.27 | abyss | Eulex: 2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 08:34.39 | sema4 | Eulex: what exactly would I be looking for? |
| 08:34.48 | foobus | cplx, I missed the intro to your question maybe. I'm confused whatyou're trying to do |
| 08:34.51 | Eulex | abyss, what processor? |
| 08:34.55 | sema4 | Eulex: and what manual are you talking about? |
| 08:35.00 | Eulex | sema4, man reportbug |
| 08:35.08 | chemaja | sema4: reportbug? sure, that re-ports sub-standard software from BSD. |
| 08:35.09 | abyss | Eulex:AMD Athlon XP 2000+ mobile |
| 08:35.15 | chemaja | ;) |
| 08:35.33 | cplx | foobus |
| 08:35.56 | cplx | foobus: I changed the shell for root incorrectly.. now when I do su -s /bin/bash it says 'No Shell' |
| 08:36.02 | cplx | same with any su command etc.. |
| 08:36.19 | Eulex | abyss, hmm... I dunno about those... but you'd load the cpufreq module for your processor, cpufreq-userspace and then powernowd will work |
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| 08:36.39 | foobus | cplx: do you have the original install disk? |
| 08:36.42 | cmihai | How do you setup a USB IrDA dongle (ex: IrDA device that connects via USB) to transfer files to a Nokia Cell Phone? I belive GNokii does something like that, but not sure about USB devices... |
| 08:36.46 | abyss | where i get the cpufreq-userspace |
| 08:37.04 | cplx | foobus: I dont have local access to the machine that is my problem at the moment :( |
| 08:37.26 | coercion | hi guys i just got my install of debian and basically i think i'm having some issues with wdm, my screen just tends to flicker, every few seconds or so i see the login prompts in the background but not much else any ideas/suggestions so i can fix it? |
| 08:37.32 | abyss | Eulex : powernowd works, but sometimes it forget to turn on the fan aggain |
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| 08:37.47 | abyss | Eulex: and then the system hangs up |
| 08:38.22 | foobus | cplx, do you have a car? |
| 08:38.44 | foobus | :) |
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| 08:38.49 | cmihai | I know serial irda or onboard irda devices seem to work, just don't know about how to get USB IrDA devices going. When I plug it in, it just sais: usb 1-1: "new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2" ... |
| 08:39.00 | cplx | foobus: haha, It's like 600km away.. wont be onsite for a few days |
| 08:39.01 | cplx | :( |
| 08:39.06 | Usiu | Hi I cant compile alleyoop because of error: *** libiberty required |
| 08:39.06 | Usiu | Its in binutils-dev but I get binutils-dev: Depends: binutils (= 2.15-7) but 2.15.20040905-1 is to be installed |
| 08:39.17 | cplx | foobus: so theres no other way? :( |
| 08:39.28 | Eulex | abyss, that hasn't got anything to do with powernowd, it just changes the system speed. the hardware itself should handle the fan. however, in your case, it may be the software that controls it, and then it may be a kernel bug |
| 08:39.46 | Eulex | abyss, you may want to try out the new 2.6.11 kernel in etch |
| 08:39.57 | foobus | not that I can think of... unless some other user you have access to has those privileges or you have sudo... |
| 08:40.07 | Usiu | Any help ? |
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| 08:40.39 | Eulex | Usiu, alleyoop is in the apt repo |
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| 08:41.04 | Eulex | Usiu, you don't need to compile it |
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| 08:41.09 | solata | hi |
| 08:41.10 | Usiu | Eulex, but its old.. and it doesnt contain alleyoop.desktop |
| 08:41.22 | solata | how can i see what files are in some package ? (with apt or dpkg) |
| 08:41.23 | coercion | weird k wdm just quit on me |
| 08:41.28 | coercion | how do i configure it |
| 08:41.29 | coercion | ? |
| 08:41.49 | Usiu | solata, http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 08:42.02 | Usiu | solata, or apt-file |
| 08:42.08 | foobus | cplx, ... a system call can be configure in Perl such that a shell is not called. You could try writing a line in Perl like exec("su", "-") |
| 08:42.33 | solata | Usiu apt-file doenst exist on my system ... |
| 08:42.35 | foobus | probably won't work, but you can give it a shot |
| 08:42.55 | solata | there is some command that'll list me all files that were extracted from some package |
| 08:42.57 | Usiu | Eulex, probably ont installed |
| 08:42.59 | solata | but i cant remember it |
| 08:43.02 | cplx | foobus: can I query you so I dont make myself look like a fool too much? :p |
| 08:43.04 | Usiu | solata, probably ont installed |
| 08:43.15 | foobus | cplx, er... s/b exec("su", "-", "/bin/bash") |
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| 08:43.25 | cplx | so |
| 08:43.36 | Eulex | Usiu, are you running sid? |
| 08:43.46 | Usiu | Eulex, sorry.. Is that because I dont have binutils.. (broken packages) or I need exotic library which is not in dist and is named libiberty |
| 08:43.52 | abyss | Eulex:exist one 11 kernel for k7? |
| 08:43.58 | cplx | foobus: so in vi.. put s/b exec("su", "-", "/bin/bash") and save it as what? |
| 08:43.58 | Usiu | Eulex, sure sid |
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| 08:44.22 | foobus | cplx, foo.pl. then chmod 0700 foo.pl |
| 08:44.24 | Eulex | Usiu, then you should know how to handle such dependency problems |
| 08:44.27 | foobus | then./foo.pl |
| 08:44.43 | foobus | i mean 'perl foo.pl' |
| 08:44.47 | Eulex | abyss, yes |
| 08:45.23 | abyss | i dont find it in my apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.8-11 |
| 08:45.29 | cplx | Unmatched ( in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/b exec( <-- HERE "su", "-", "/ at foo.pl line 1. |
| 08:45.30 | abyss | only for amd64 |
| 08:45.31 | cplx | lol |
| 08:45.38 | foobus | you need to put a semicolon at the end of the line, of course. |
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| 08:46.00 | foobus | regex? |
| 08:46.17 | Eulex | Usiu, sid is there for the devs to break -- dependency problems are very common, and if you run sid, you should know how to solve them |
| 08:46.23 | jagerman | What does 's/b' stand for? |
| 08:46.27 | cplx | foobus: Wheres the semicolon? |
| 08:46.30 | abyss | Eulex: i think the 11 kernel is only for 64 bit systems |
| 08:46.34 | foobus | at the end of the line |
| 08:46.37 | cplx | oh right |
| 08:46.38 | cplx | my bad. |
| 08:46.40 | Usiu | Eulex, ok.. I'll try to fix it myself.. |
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| 08:46.50 | cplx | :s |
| 08:46.52 | Eulex | abyss, eh? |
| 08:47.08 | cplx | s/b exec("su", "-", "/bin/bash"); |
| 08:47.10 | cplx | ? |
| 08:47.14 | foobus | y |
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| 08:47.26 | cplx | foobus: yea? |
| 08:47.34 | foobus | yes |
| 08:47.53 | cplx | Unmatched ( in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/b exec( <-- HERE "su", "-", "/ at foo.pl line 1. |
| 08:48.00 | cplx | :s |
| 08:48.00 | foobus | if that doesn't work, try changing exec to system... |
| 08:48.04 | Eulex | abyss, kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7 |
| 08:48.04 | coercion | where does wdm install to in debian |
| 08:48.05 | coercion | ;\ |
| 08:48.06 | jagerman | What does s/b mean? |
| 08:48.19 | foobus | cplx, what's the output of perl -c foo.pl |
| 08:48.22 | jagerman | And why are you putting it literally in your code? |
| 08:48.28 | liable | wtf is wdm. |
| 08:48.31 | cplx | Unmatched ( in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/b exec( <-- HERE "su", "-", "/ at foo.pl line 1. |
| 08:48.32 | foobus | o lord. |
| 08:48.37 | foobus | take that s/b out |
| 08:48.40 | cplx | lol |
| 08:48.42 | coercion | wings display manager |
| 08:48.43 | abyss | Eulex: i find only : kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-* <. thats the only one which stand in my apt-cache |
| 08:48.43 | foobus | thanks jagerman |
| 08:48.45 | coercion | an alternative to xdm |
| 08:48.46 | fatal__ | coercion: dpkg -L wdm |
| 08:48.58 | cplx | perl foo.pl |
| 08:48.58 | cplx | Unknown id: /bin/bash |
| 08:48.59 | cplx | o_O |
| 08:49.04 | foobus | s/b == should be in short |
| 08:49.08 | Eulex | coercion, apt-file |
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| 08:49.15 | liable | or -l |
| 08:49.15 | coercion | thx guys |
| 08:49.16 | coercion | :) |
| 08:49.19 | abyss | Eulex :E: Konnte Paket kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7 nicht finden |
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| 08:49.21 | sciboy | !file libgltext-0.3.1.so |
| 08:49.30 | abyss | Eulex: i use stable |
| 08:49.30 | foobus | cplx, try system instead of exec, then |
| 08:49.53 | Eulex | abyss, that package is in testing, get it from package.debian.org |
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| 08:50.02 | cplx | same thing. |
| 08:50.07 | cplx | Unknown id: /bin/bash |
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| 08:50.16 | jagerman | exec(qw/su - root /bin/bash/); |
| 08:50.29 | foobus | ack |
| 08:50.39 | caphuso | cplx: you're wasting your time |
| 08:50.45 | abyss | Eulex : make this package my system not a bit unstavle? |
| 08:50.47 | foobus | better escape those dirs |
| 08:50.49 | abyss | unstable |
| 08:50.54 | cplx | syntax error at foo.pl line 1, near "qw/su - root /bin" |
| 08:50.54 | cplx | Execution of foo.pl aborted due to compilation errors. |
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| 08:51.06 | jagerman | err, yeah |
| 08:51.09 | caphuso | qw(su - root /bin/bash) |
| 08:51.11 | jagerman | exec(qw(su - root /bin/bash)); |
| 08:51.14 | caphuso | but it's not going to help |
| 08:51.17 | dondelelcaro | what the hell are you trying to do? |
| 08:51.19 | Eulex | abyss, well, it's a desktop system, right? does it need to run for a year straight? |
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| 08:51.34 | liable | abyss: no, you dont use stable, if you have 2.6.11 in cache. |
| 08:51.58 | jagerman | dondelelcaro: Obviously, he's trying to execute su - root /bin/bash ;) |
| 08:52.03 | Eulex | liable, no he hasn't, he's on stable, and asking if 2.6.11 would make his system more unstable |
| 08:52.05 | foobus | that won't work: you have to have your args in a list format. putting them all as a string will invoke a shell. |
| 08:52.10 | dondelelcaro | jagerman: for what reason? |
| 08:52.12 | caphuso | foobus: what exactly do you think you are doing? |
| 08:52.24 | jagerman | dondelelcaro: I don't know, I sorta jumped into the middle of this conversation |
| 08:52.31 | foobus | I'm trying to avoid invoking a shell to start su... |
| 08:52.37 | caphuso | foobus: that's not the problem |
| 08:52.39 | abyss | liable : i use debian sarge and sarge is stable isnit |
| 08:52.47 | coercion | i think it's a video driver issue, how do i change it back from trident to vesa |
| 08:52.48 | cplx | caphuso: I put qw(su - root /bin/bash) in the script.. and Im not getting an output now |
| 08:52.49 | foobus | oh? |
| 08:52.57 | caphuso | cplx: i've told you what you have to do |
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| 08:53.04 | liable | abyss: nm, install 2.6.11 if you need it, wont break anything. |
| 08:53.11 | caphuso | almost an hour ago |
| 08:53.14 | cplx | So theres no other way without going local? |
| 08:53.27 | Eulex | abyss, your system won't become more unstable; if it fixes your problem it will be more stable. (btw, I'm running 2.6.12.1 directly taken from kernel.org and it runs great) |
| 08:53.28 | caphuso | cplx: not if you don't have any other way of becoming root |
| 08:53.29 | torrent_masters | hmm |
| 08:53.42 | liable | !drxx coercion |
| 08:53.45 | cplx | caphuso: That's why I'm asking you people for other ways to become root.. |
| 08:53.48 | cplx | "\ |
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| 08:53.56 | spdf | Root the bitch! |
| 08:53.57 | Eulex | cplx, you'd probably need to hack your system |
| 08:53.58 | torrent_masters | my bitchx says it cant open /home/username/dcc/nameofthefileitstryingtosave |
| 08:54.02 | coercion | !drxx |
| 08:54.07 | timo_ | i've just installed acrobat reader in deb/etch using firefox 1.04 - how do i make it the default .pdf-viewer instead ofg nomes one and how do i make it automatically open it instead of downloading? |
| 08:54.10 | cplx | Eulex: I have nfi where to start.. or anything. |
| 08:54.11 | liable | !hi |
| 08:54.14 | caphuso | torrent_masters: "mkdir ~/dcc"? |
| 08:54.21 | torrent_masters | >.< crap |
| 08:54.24 | torrent_masters | riiiiiiiiiight brb |
| 08:54.24 | abyss | where i get the package on debian.org? or should ill take apt-get.org? |
| 08:54.32 | coercion | heh |
| 08:54.33 | liable | coercion: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root. |
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| 08:54.49 | jagerman | cplx: Do you use gdm? |
| 08:54.56 | jagerman | xdm/gdm/kdm, that is? |
| 08:54.59 | cplx | jagerman: I don't use X at all |
| 08:55.00 | liable | what happened to dpkg? |
| 08:55.13 | jagerman | Oh, well um... |
| 08:55.22 | Eulex | abyss, packages.debian.org |
| 08:55.23 | spdf | jagerman, Three different login managers.. |
| 08:55.32 | priest | someone who knows an unzip which can handle archives on 4 gb? |
| 08:55.38 | cmihai | Oh man, I'm seeing this really fucked up bug. Whenever I run vmware, my wallpaper (and pics,etc) have theese really starnge rainbow bands on them. But it's really strange, that they're like layers (eg: bands seem to be below some writing in the wallpaper...)... really fucked up |
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| 08:55.51 | liable | dondelelcaro: dpkg broken? |
| 08:55.58 | Eulex | dpkg seems to be defunct |
| 08:55.58 | dondelelcaro | liable: dunno, finding out now. |
| 08:56.23 | Eulex | cmihai, vmware interfaces directly with your hardware |
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| 08:56.36 | dondelelcaro | well, that's good... the box seems to have gone down. |
| 08:56.43 | Eulex | cmihai, so bug vmware devs about it |
| 08:56.43 | cplx | caphuso: doing that 'forget root pass' procedure.. how will that fix /etc/passwd to use another shell.. |
| 08:56.46 | abyss | Source Package: kernel-image-2.6.11-i386, Download: [dsc] [kernel-image-2.6.11-i386_2.6.11-5.tar.gz] |
| 08:56.51 | foobus | cplx, I still had it wrong: try again... |
| 08:56.51 | cplx | caphuso: I already know the root password.. |
| 08:56.54 | abyss | that stands on a k7 |
| 08:57.01 | Eulex | abyss, you didn't want the k7 one? |
| 08:57.01 | cplx | foobus: try which |
| 08:57.04 | cmihai | Eulex: That has nothing to do with this strange thing here... |
| 08:57.08 | caphuso | cplx: how fucking stupid are you? |
| 08:57.09 | abyss | Eulex : sure |
| 08:57.16 | streuner | dondelelcaro: why is it good when a box going down? |
| 08:57.18 | abyss | Eulex : but didnt find the right dl link |
| 08:57.19 | foobus | cplx, exec("su", "-c", "/bin/bash"); |
| 08:57.22 | cplx | caphuso: ... nvm |
| 08:57.26 | caphuso | cplx: 10:12 caphuso> cplx: "/msg dpkg i forgot root's password", and run chsh instead of passwd |
| 08:57.37 | caphuso | granted, right now you should probably use apt instead of dpkg |
| 08:57.44 | Glanzmann | init=/bin/bash |
| 08:57.45 | Eulex | abyss, grr... http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-image-2.6.11&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all and scroll down a bit |
| 08:57.48 | Glanzmann | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 08:57.51 | Glanzmann | vim /etc/passwd |
| 08:57.54 | Glanzmann | umount |
| 08:57.57 | Glanzmann | reboot |
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| 08:57.59 | Glanzmann | hallas |
| 08:58.16 | spdf | I think we have a winner. |
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| 08:58.31 | chemaja | damn you, ViRC |
| 08:58.32 | spdf | Unless he doesn't have physical access.. |
| 08:58.34 | cplx | foobus: same thing.. "No Shell" :( |
| 08:58.42 | caphuso | Glanzmann: and you think cplx is able to use vim on his /etc/passwd without messing even more stuff up? |
| 08:58.49 | Eulex | cmihai, because it interfaces directly with the hw, it can cause *anything* |
| 08:59.10 | caphuso | spdf: he has to have physical access. nothing else will help him |
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| 08:59.28 | cplx | haha |
| 08:59.29 | jagerman | cplx: What is the shell set to? |
| 08:59.39 | coercion | whoa this is pretty weird, i've got nasty white lines goin all over the place |
| 08:59.40 | coercion | ;\ |
| 08:59.44 | caphuso | well, unless he got a unfixed root hole in his kernel or something like that |
| 08:59.48 | Eulex | jagerman, he set it to /usr/bin/bash by mistake |
| 08:59.50 | cplx | jagerman: /usr/bin/bash .. when it was supposed to be /bin/bash .. it was /usr/bin/zsh |
| 08:59.51 | abyss | Eulex : nvm my vault, didnt saw the big download link :) |
| 08:59.59 | torrent_masters | arg! how does one exit bitchx |
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| 09:00.05 | coercion | these graphical glitches are horrible |
| 09:00.12 | coercion | torrent_masters, /quit |
| 09:00.15 | torrent_masters | its all pissy at me |
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| 09:00.36 | torrent_masters | i need a break command because its lagging as it still cant open that file.. |
| 09:00.37 | liable | torrent_masters: just killal -9 it, and install issi. |
| 09:00.49 | Eulex | coercion, what gfx card? and what X driver? |
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| 09:00.53 | Glanzmann | caphuso: No idea, I don't know him. |
| 09:01.02 | coercion | some old shitbox trident gfx card and vesa |
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| 09:01.13 | liable | jeez, two typos in a sentence, and not even drunk yet :( |
| 09:01.15 | Neoalex | is there any replacement for tasksel? |
| 09:01.26 | Eulex | coercion, vesa is buggy? |
| 09:01.35 | coercion | yeah i get like white static |
| 09:01.39 | Eulex | Neoalex, "replacement"? what do want to do? |
| 09:01.58 | liable | coercion: look at your resolution then and refresh rates. |
| 09:02.06 | streuner | Glanzmann: he's hanging here about 1 hour and didn't manage to /msg dpkg about root's password, what did you expect now? |
| 09:02.09 | Eulex | coercion, did it fail to set the video mode and the monitor can't cope? |
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| 09:02.17 | coercion | possibly |
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| 09:02.29 | coercion | is there a file where the rez's are set at? |
| 09:02.30 | Neoalex | well tasksell does not work |
| 09:02.31 | liable | coercion: have you hand edited it? |
| 09:02.36 | coercion | no |
| 09:02.39 | Neoalex | it gives me dependencies errors |
| 09:02.42 | liable | abviously not. |
| 09:02.42 | coercion | i just let the autoconfig do it up |
| 09:02.48 | cplx | streuner: .......I did do it actually.. I am just asking of other ways without fucking going to the box locally |
| 09:02.56 | cplx | streuner: If you read after that.. you might see. |
| 09:02.59 | Neoalex | I want to install packages but not one by one |
| 09:03.03 | Eulex | coercion, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 -- or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand |
| 09:03.05 | Neoalex | like with dselect |
| 09:03.07 | abyss | Eulex : install got to make a reboot brb hope it helps |
| 09:03.10 | caphuso | cplx: there aren't any, if you don't know them |
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| 09:03.25 | cplx | caphuso: That_IS_WHY I am asking for help from you guys. |
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| 09:03.34 | Eulex | Neoalex, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic etc |
| 09:03.36 | Glanzmann | streuner: I don't expect anything. |
| 09:03.38 | jagerman | cplx: What kernel is installed on the machine? |
| 09:03.40 | caphuso | cplx: and you've been told what you have to do. deal with it |
| 09:03.53 | cplx | 2.4.26 grsec |
| 09:04.02 | Eulex | Neoalex, "tasksel" does not work? dependency errors? are you on sid? |
| 09:04.08 | foobus | cplx, I'm posting the basis for that attempt in #flood if you or anyone is interested.... |
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| 09:04.29 | cplx | ok |
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| 09:04.37 | Neoalex | I'm serious |
| 09:04.49 | Neoalex | all I tried is the first option |
| 09:04.55 | Neoalex | desktop computer |
| 09:04.59 | liable | coercion: reconfigure x again and pick sane resolution and refresh rates. |
| 09:05.05 | Neoalex | it ives me a lot of dependecy errors |
| 09:05.25 | caphuso | foobus: he can't use su. period. |
| 09:05.28 | Eulex | Neoalex, eh, what? answer my question! are you on sid? and what dependency errors? |
| 09:05.48 | foobus | caphuso, you assert. |
| 09:05.50 | Neoalex | oh... what's sid? |
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| 09:06.00 | Eulex | Neoalex, unstable |
| 09:06.05 | qpee | hi, i'd like to map a special wheel on my `multimedia keyboard` so that it acts like the `scrollling up` of my mouse-whell. turnung the wheel i get in the messages file: Use 'setkeycodes e01e <keycode>' . i thought i'll figure out which keycode the mouseup event has and just substitute <keycode> by it. so i grabbed the keycode using showkey and inserted it. but nothing happens after that. what could i do? |
| 09:06.05 | liable | Neoalex: bad, forget about it :P |
| 09:06.07 | coercion | ew, i just did liable |
| 09:06.18 | coercion | and i'm still getting this weird static |
| 09:06.29 | liable | coercion: look in the logs then. |
| 09:06.30 | coercion | gonna try lower refresh rates |
| 09:06.38 | Neoalex | erm no... I'm on woody |
| 09:06.44 | coercion | wheres logs at |
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| 09:06.55 | Eulex | Neoalex, check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 09:07.16 | foobus | caphuso, read perldoc -f exec. It tells me I can exec something without invoking a shell. Obviously it didn't work but I don't know why and you haven't provided any reasons why it shouldn't. |
| 09:07.16 | Eulex | Neoalex, and why are you on the 3 year old woody with a desktop system? |
| 09:07.16 | liable | ~/.xsessionerrors /var/log/Xfree86.0.log |
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| 09:07.24 | caphuso | foobus: that doesn't matter |
| 09:07.24 | liable | coercion: ^^ |
| 09:07.27 | SoCkY[Deb] | hi all |
| 09:07.44 | caphuso | foobus: it's su itself that complains about missing shell, not whatever starts su |
| 09:07.46 | SoCkY[Deb] | anyone has an idea about how can I save configuration for alsamixer |
| 09:07.56 | Neoalex | well... it's not a desktop system yet... but it's on a 5 year old mac |
| 09:08.00 | Neoalex | or somethin like it |
| 09:08.02 | SoCkY[Deb] | each time I restart I need to reconfigure alsamixer |
| 09:08.09 | Neoalex | which would not boot anything else |
| 09:08.10 | Guerin | SoCkY[Deb]: should be done automatically. |
| 09:08.16 | Eulex | SoCkY[Deb], oss-preserve? |
| 09:08.22 | uvolmer | SoCkY[Deb: try aumix -S |
| 09:08.23 | SoCkY[Deb] | oss-preserve? |
| 09:08.25 | SoCkY[Deb] | ok |
| 09:08.31 | empty | Whats the fix to get ALSA to play sounds form more than one source? |
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| 09:09.00 | empty | e.g I'd like to here my GAIM bips when listening to my mp3's |
| 09:09.03 | Neoalex | what am I suppose to see in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 09:09.04 | SoCkY[Deb] | I dont really have aumix |
| 09:09.04 | Eulex | empty, dmix? esd? artsd? |
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| 09:09.08 | foobus | cplx, maybe exec("/bin/su", "-c", "/bin/bash"); ? |
| 09:09.08 | SoCkY[Deb] | just alasmixer |
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| 09:09.18 | ikslaw0k | what do I apt-get to use /etc/printcap? |
| 09:09.27 | foobus | caphuso, okay... |
| 09:09.29 | coercion | liable theres no such log file |
| 09:09.30 | coercion | heh |
| 09:09.43 | Eulex | Neoalex, what apt repo are you using? woody/sarge/etch/stable/testing/unstable? |
| 09:09.44 | uvolmer | SoCkY[Deb: apt-get install aumix |
| 09:09.56 | cyrax | I am having a problem with the 'lock' file on apt-get. I googled and found that one can delete the file. |
| 09:10.13 | cyrax | however when I try doing that, "rm -f lock" it says that the operation is not permitted. |
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| 09:10.34 | cplx | foobus: same thing.. :( hmm. |
| 09:10.34 | SoCkY[Deb] | kk |
| 09:10.36 | Guerin | cyrax: be root |
| 09:10.38 | Eulex | cyrax, are you root? |
| 09:10.59 | cyrax | yeah. I am the root |
| 09:11.10 | Guerin | cyrax: see what lsattr |
| 09:11.12 | Guerin | says |
| 09:11.20 | empty | Eulex, erm, huh? |
| 09:11.31 | liable | coercion: which one? |
| 09:11.35 | Eulex | cyrax, are you running another program that use the apt database? |
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| 09:11.41 | cyrax | lsattr: Operation not supported While reading flags on lock |
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| 09:11.54 | cyrax | I never use anything other than apt-get |
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| 09:12.08 | cyrax | synap - no |
| 09:12.09 | Guerin | cyrax: weird. |
| 09:12.13 | Eulex | cyrax, is another apt-get running? |
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| 09:12.23 | cyrax | even rm says that the file is weird :( |
| 09:12.23 | coercion | theres no log file |
| 09:12.24 | www | i want to set up a system and be able to grow its size with LVM. what is the best choice ? XFS or JFS ? |
| 09:12.38 | cyrax | I rebooted - that must definitely solve the other apt-get running right? |
| 09:12.42 | empty | cyrax, can you write other files? Possibly your FS is remounted RO? (check mount) |
| 09:12.42 | liable | coercion: where are you looking? |
| 09:12.51 | Guerin | cyrax: you'd hope so. |
| 09:12.52 | abyss | Eulex : 2 mins after start my wlan0 xserver crashed |
| 09:12.54 | foobus | damn |
| 09:12.55 | abyss | :/ |
| 09:12.58 | torrent_masters | GOD DAM YOU BITCHX |
| 09:13.14 | cplx | foobus: indeed.. guess we are out of luck :( |
| 09:13.15 | SoCkY[Deb] | lol |
| 09:13.16 | cyrax | empty no problem with writing other files. |
| 09:13.18 | Phated | I concur. Bitchx should be damned to hell. |
| 09:13.30 | empty | cyrax, really frigging weird |
| 09:13.30 | coercion | ~/.xsessionerrors /var/log/Xfree86.0.log |
| 09:13.31 | abyss | Eulex : now im back on my 2.6.8-2 kernel |
| 09:13.34 | coercion | lookin there |
| 09:13.35 | Gnea | uhm |
| 09:13.35 | coercion | but nothing |
| 09:13.37 | cyrax | emptyh :(( |
| 09:13.39 | foobus | cplx, didn't work for me... caphuso's right about that. I tried mungin gmy password file and it failed. su is tight. |
| 09:13.44 | Eulex | empty, an apt source in /etc/apt/sources.list looks like this: deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free... mine lists testing, what does yours |
| 09:13.54 | Eulex | abyss, "wlan xserver"? :) |
| 09:14.03 | empty | cyrax, try "perl -e 'print unlink lock'" |
| 09:14.03 | torrent_masters | what should i try? some text based client where i can dccget |
| 09:14.12 | Phated | irssi. |
| 09:14.19 | empty | Eulex, I'm on Sarge |
| 09:14.25 | cmihai | http://bsdghost.iwarp.com/buggy.jpg -> The "rainbow" on the bottom of the screen appears when I start a vmware machine, and I need to restart X for it to dissapear. The wallpaper is a .png image. I wonder why it looks like a "layer" (eg: not on the whole screen). Also, other images I open after that are distorted (green spots, etc). If I do a screenshot, it looks bad, but when I restart X, it's fine again. |
| 09:14.30 | liable | coercion: my bad /var/log XFree86.0.log. ever heard of ls? |
| 09:14.32 | www | is there some doc helping to choose between XFS and JFS ? |
| 09:14.39 | torrent_masters | Package irssi is not available, but is referred to by another package <<-= etc |
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| 09:14.43 | cmihai | Has anyone experienced anything like this?! Debian Sarge, Etch && Sid do the same. |
| 09:14.48 | Phated | torrent_masters: apt-cache search irssi. |
| 09:14.56 | cyrax | empty, Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. |
| 09:14.57 | Guerin | cyrax: i blame vmware. |
| 09:14.57 | Eulex | empty, sorry, wrong person |
| 09:15.03 | daisuke_ | irssi-text |
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| 09:15.08 | Guerin | cmihai: i blame vmware. |
| 09:15.10 | empty | Eulex, LOL I was wonderingf |
| 09:15.13 | SoCkY[Deb] | what is the name of Xorg package |
| 09:15.18 | abyss | !rar |
| 09:15.19 | SoCkY[Deb] | so i could get it using apt-get |
| 09:15.20 | coercion | liable yea |
| 09:15.21 | cyrax | Guerin, vmware :O how did that come into picture. |
| 09:15.24 | SoCkY[Deb] | !xorg |
| 09:15.29 | abyss | :/ where is he |
| 09:15.31 | Eulex | empty, you'd use dmix or any sound daemon, like esd or artsd |
| 09:15.32 | Guerin | cyrax: i'm stupid. |
| 09:15.34 | SoCkY[Deb] | =\ |
| 09:15.35 | _rene_ | SoCkY[Deb]: xserver-sorg. but there's none yet :) |
| 09:15.40 | spdf | SoCkY[Deb], There isn't one. |
| 09:15.42 | SoCkY[Deb] | bleh why none |
| 09:15.43 | Guerin | SoCkY[Deb]: there is no xorg in debian. |
| 09:15.43 | Gnea | cmihai: ouch, what video card/monitor? |
| 09:15.44 | liable | coercion: ~/.xsession-errors. learn to help yourself, my memory isnt perfect.... |
| 09:15.49 | SoCkY[Deb] | shiat |
| 09:15.52 | spdf | SoCkY[Deb], Because, they're waiting until Xorg moves to a modular tree.. |
| 09:15.56 | cmihai | Guerin: It's defenetly vmware _related_, but it works ok under _any_ other os (non-debian). |
| 09:15.57 | SoCkY[Deb] | =\ |
| 09:15.59 | SoCkY[Deb] | damn them |
| 09:15.59 | cyrax | Guerin, I havent confirmed if I am stupid yet. |
| 09:16.00 | Gnea | cmihai: and what version of vmware? |
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| 09:16.10 | spdf | SoCkY[Deb], X11R7, sometime in September is likely.. |
| 09:16.11 | Eulex | empty, dmix is the best choice... google for it |
| 09:16.15 | cmihai | NVIDIA GF4 MX 440, NVIDIA drivers, vmware 5 (latest build) |
| 09:16.22 | Gnea | hrm |
| 09:16.24 | Glanzmann | /clear/clear |
| 09:16.27 | SoCkY[Deb] | kk |
| 09:16.28 | SoCkY[Deb] | ty =] |
| 09:16.33 | cmihai | It only happens when I start a machine in vmware. |
| 09:16.37 | Gnea | cmihai: what kernel version and what version of the nvidia driver? |
| 09:16.42 | SoCkY[Deb] | I want to have transperent windows =\ |
| 09:16.49 | SoCkY[Deb] | X11 just can't handle it |
| 09:16.55 | Guerin | cmihai: so it could be either the crappy proprietary vmware or the crappy proprietary nvidia drivers |
| 09:16.57 | Eulex | Neoalex, empty, an apt source in /etc/apt/sources.list looks like this: deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free... mine lists testing, what does yours |
| 09:17.03 | spdf | SoCkY[Deb], You could try and build it from source.. |
| 09:17.11 | SoCkY[Deb] | nah it's ok |
| 09:17.13 | SoCkY[Deb] | i'll wait |
| 09:17.15 | Guerin | SoCkY[Deb]: sure X11 can. |
| 09:17.19 | SoCkY[Deb] | how |
| 09:17.19 | cyrax | empty, Not enough arguments for lock at -e line 1, at EOF is the result of the perl statement |
| 09:17.22 | cmihai | Guerin: atm Linux debstation 2.6.11-1-k7 #1 Mon Jun 20 21:26:23 MDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux, but it does that on vanilla Sarge also. |
| 09:17.22 | takisd | trying to mount a usb floppy drive - get read errors on it... its taking all /dev/sda to /dev/sdh. could that be the problem??? |
| 09:17.31 | SoCkY[Deb] | iv'e installed fluxbox |
| 09:17.35 | Eulex | SoCkY[Deb], x.org 6.8.2 with composite and a 3d accelerating card will give you transparent windows |
| 09:17.38 | SoCkY[Deb] | and set up the lap[ha level |
| 09:17.39 | coercion | liable, the only error i see here is that it cant detect my mouse |
| 09:17.45 | cyrax | empty, I tried just the perl command. |
| 09:17.47 | SoCkY[Deb] | but we were just talking about it |
| 09:17.49 | Guerin | SoCkY[Deb]: well, since the xorg you speak of is an implementation of the X11 protocol... |
| 09:17.52 | SoCkY[Deb] | no xorg for debian |
| 09:18.04 | cmihai | NVIDIA 1.0.7664-2 ... |
| 09:18.04 | Gnea | cmihai: i rebuilt my kernel by hand |
| 09:18.05 | abyss | how i can uncompress rar archives ? |
| 09:18.06 | Eulex | SoCkY[Deb], there are unofficial |
| 09:18.09 | Guerin | abyss: unrar |
| 09:18.10 | SoCkY[Deb] | hmm |
| 09:18.10 | coercion | liable, but that should still not cause the screen to go haywire i figure..? |
| 09:18.12 | Gnea | ah |
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| 09:18.17 | cmihai | Gnea: you also run vmware ? |
| 09:18.19 | liable | coercion: right, try disabling framebuffer in reconfigure. |
| 09:18.19 | torrent_masters | hey is there a way to see if irssi is downloading a file? |
| 09:18.20 | cmihai | Any problems for you ?! |
| 09:18.20 | Gnea | cmihai: 7667 is the latest |
| 09:18.22 | Gnea | cmihai: yes. |
| 09:18.28 | Eulex | SoCkY[Deb], gravityboy, a dd, has released his |
| 09:18.29 | cmihai | Yes what ?! |
| 09:18.30 | Guerin | Eulex: don't advise people to use unofficial x packages. |
| 09:18.47 | Gnea | cmihai: on a gf fx 5500 (used to on the same card you have) |
| 09:18.47 | Guerin | Eulex: not even gravity's |
| 09:18.50 | coercion | i thought i did disable framebuffer |
| 09:18.54 | Gnea | cmihai: vmware 5 |
| 09:18.56 | liable | coercion: you have obviously picked a wrong config somewhere, so.... |
| 09:18.59 | cmihai | Gnea: you have the same problem ?! |
| 09:19.00 | empty | cyrax, that is really bizarre |
| 09:19.01 | coercion | hrmm |
| 09:19.03 | Gnea | cmihai: nope |
| 09:19.04 | idealbsd | cmihai, 6629 is more stable to work with xorg |
| 09:19.06 | abyss | Guerin : package not found |
| 09:19.09 | empty | cyrax, can you mv it? |
| 09:19.11 | Eulex | Guerin, he asked for them |
| 09:19.18 | cyrax | empty, nope I tried that also |
| 09:19.19 | Gnea | cmihai: wait, you're using xorg? |
| 09:19.21 | Guerin | Eulex: let him find them himself. |
| 09:19.26 | cmihai | Hell no. |
| 09:19.29 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 09:19.29 | Gnea | lol |
| 09:19.36 | Eulex | Guerin, ok |
| 09:19.52 | cmihai | It just pisses me off to restart everytime I use vmware. |
| 09:19.55 | cmihai | (restart X) |
| 09:20.04 | Gnea | yeah, hrm |
| 09:20.05 | Guerin | Eulex: otherwise he'll come back in here saying 'u guyz told me 2 use teh unoficil packag3s and they br0k my system plz help' |
| 09:20.08 | Gnea | what window manager is that? |
| 09:20.15 | liable | hah |
| 09:20.16 | cmihai | Gnome. I'll try another one I guess. |
| 09:20.22 | cmihai | let me see.. |
| 09:20.27 | Gnea | i use E |
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| 09:20.47 | Gnea | heh, even the latest cvs E17 has a start button now |
| 09:20.49 | liable | Gnea: recreational drug user eh? |
| 09:20.50 | Gnea | how pathetic |
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| 09:21.04 | bluefox83 | enlightenment tends to be a pain in the arse to configure.. |
| 09:21.05 | cyrax | empty, what kind of file is this lock? stat cannot recognise it. |
| 09:21.09 | Gnea | liable: everyday melts into the next, dontcha know? |
| 09:21.21 | Gnea | bluefox83: not at all. |
| 09:21.25 | cyrax | stat says that it is a weird file |
| 09:21.26 | liable | Gnea: havent been there for a while :) |
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| 09:21.32 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:21.45 | bluefox83 | i've always had trouble trying to configure it |
| 09:21.45 | Gnea | bluefox83: what version of E are you referring to? |
| 09:21.48 | empty | cyrax, a really fucked one |
| 09:21.57 | Gnea | yeah but see, there are different versions of E |
| 09:22.01 | cyrax | cyrax, :)) |
| 09:22.04 | cmihai | Same in KDE |
| 09:22.07 | Gnea | you can't just blanketly claim something on it ;) |
| 09:22.08 | bluefox83 | Gnea, i dunno, i haven't used it in a while, i find icewm easier to config |
| 09:22.13 | empty | cyrax, tried booting to recovery mode and rming it? |
| 09:22.16 | petique | Ahem. I upgraded from Woody to Sarge... and now I noticed that as a result my mrtg suddenly stopped working properly... Any heads-ups as if to why? |
| 09:22.16 | Gnea | bluefox83: heh |
| 09:22.29 | cyrax | I was about to do that but I am scared of the init 1 |
| 09:22.31 | cyrax | :D |
| 09:22.43 | empty | cyrax, fear not single user mode |
| 09:22.44 | Gnea | bluefox83: yeah, how about a menu/ibar editor and a bg selector in the root menu? oh, and a run command? |
| 09:22.46 | bluefox83 | Gnea, but i have whatever is in unstable.. |
| 09:22.54 | cmihai | Man, this is really fucked up. If I wanted to add those rainbo bars to an image in photshop, it would have taken me hours of work. I mean, crap, looks just like a layer. PNG stuf... well, strange |
| 09:22.57 | Gnea | that'd be E16 |
| 09:23.07 | cyrax | empty, one more thing if I dont want the system to boot into the X (init 5) then I modify /etc/initd right? |
| 09:23.08 | bluefox83 | Gnea, what? O.o |
| 09:23.08 | Gnea | that's a few years old |
| 09:23.18 | Gnea | bluefox83: it's true. |
| 09:23.22 | Gnea | i'm running it now |
| 09:23.29 | jetx | !nodm |
| 09:23.31 | Gnea | here, i'll take a ss |
| 09:23.37 | liable | cyrax: remove th dm |
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| 09:23.42 | spdf | dpkg is borked.. |
| 09:23.42 | liable | *the |
| 09:23.52 | jetx | :( |
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| 09:24.00 | spdf | Its box went down about 45mins ago or so.. |
| 09:24.01 | cyrax | liable I could not understand you. |
| 09:24.06 | cyrax | libale what is a dm? |
| 09:24.20 | empty | cyrax, init5? debian runs in runlevel 2. Remove the /etc/rc*.d/*dm files |
| 09:24.32 | liable | cyrax: if you dont want to oot into x, remove xdm,kdm,gdm,wdm..... |
| 09:24.35 | jetx | edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager, make it empty to not have the dm start, or apt-get remove whatever |
| 09:24.37 | empty | cyrax, for whatever DM you use (kdm gdm xdm) |
| 09:24.40 | cmihai | Oh, like this is really fucked up. Even JPG screenshots of the wallpaper, that DIDN't have those lines there, and objects OVER the damn image, have the rainbow bands JUST on the wallpaper,and NOT on the image. |
| 09:24.50 | liable | fuck me, typing tard is me. |
| 09:24.52 | cmihai | How the hell would you even do that if you had to ?! |
| 09:24.58 | cyrax | omg. I said I wanted to boot into 3 without the x server starting right away. |
| 09:24.58 | coercion | i'm faced with choosing server modules for xf86, e.g. GLcore, bitmap, dbe, etc etc. |
| 09:25.03 | coercion | wtf do i choose/not choose |
| 09:25.04 | empty | cmihai, maybe you got the new Gay Pride worm?? |
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| 09:25.15 | Eulex | empty, haha |
| 09:25.20 | cyrax | empty, libable, I do want the x server :) I think I made a mistake. |
| 09:25.25 | cmihai | lol :) |
| 09:25.27 | jetx | coercion: do you have nvidia |
| 09:25.31 | coercion | no |
| 09:25.34 | coercion | i have some shitbox card |
| 09:25.37 | jetx | what is it |
| 09:25.38 | coercion | from the 90's |
| 09:25.40 | cyrax | *liable. |
| 09:25.44 | coercion | some Trident somethin or the other |
| 09:25.47 | cmihai | It's like really strange.... that would require advanced image detection, I mean, crap |
| 09:25.53 | Eulex | coercion, lspci |
| 09:25.55 | cyrax | I will reboot to init 1 and then see. |
| 09:25.55 | coercion | real basic |
| 09:25.59 | liable | coercion: choose em all, that bit isnt relevent to your problem. |
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| 09:26.09 | coercion | hmm k |
| 09:26.24 | Guerin | why reboot? |
| 09:26.24 | jetx | lspci|less |
| 09:26.28 | Eulex | coercion, probably a bug in either vmware or the nvidia drivers |
| 09:26.29 | Guerin | man, peopla are stupid |
| 09:26.40 | coercion | frig |
| 09:26.50 | coercion | still having those weird screens |
| 09:26.53 | robin_sz | hmm ... is there an easy way to discover what license a particular package is distributed under? |
| 09:26.58 | Eulex | Guerin, yeah, everyone who come from windows think that a reboot can fix anything :) |
| 09:27.07 | coercion | how do i start xf86 without wdm |
| 09:27.11 | Guerin | robin_sz: apt-cache show |
| 09:27.12 | Eulex | robin_sz, read the docs? |
| 09:27.15 | empty | robin_sz, if it is installed it will be in /usr/share/doc I think |
| 09:27.18 | Gnea | bluefox83: http://gnea.net/img/e17-yada.png && e17-yada0.png && e17-yada1.png |
| 09:27.18 | Eulex | coercion, startx |
| 09:27.22 | coercion | k |
| 09:27.25 | liable | coercion: which dm? |
| 09:27.30 | robin_sz | empty: its not installed |
| 09:27.38 | coercion | wdm |
| 09:27.42 | liable | errr. |
| 09:27.46 | coercion | i just tried startx and getting same issue |
| 09:27.47 | liable | sorry |
| 09:27.50 | Guerin | gah, i'm getting 97% syndrom on this damn torrent |
| 09:28.00 | coercion | XIO: fatal IO error 104 |
| 09:28.01 | cmihai | Hmf.... I'll try it with the nv driver then. |
| 09:28.08 | liable | Guerin: bah, still going? |
| 09:28.09 | Guerin | there are about 100 peers who're at 97% and only one seed |
| 09:28.14 | spdf | Gnea, Gha.. Shoulda compressed those a bit :) |
| 09:28.26 | Gnea | spdf: pardon? |
| 09:28.27 | coercion | missing default font |
| 09:28.28 | coercion | hrmm |
| 09:28.32 | Guerin | liable: it's so stupid. i don't even really care about the damn match |
| 09:28.37 | Guerin | i'm just bored |
| 09:28.37 | spdf | Gnea, The screenies.. They're huge.. |
| 09:28.47 | empty | robin_sz, try the apt-cache thing then |
| 09:28.49 | coercion | could there possibly be some dependency of xf86 i didnt install |
| 09:28.49 | coercion | ;\ |
| 09:28.52 | Gnea | spdf: i run 1280x1024 - get over it. |
| 09:29.02 | Gnea | i don't compress for no one |
| 09:29.04 | spdf | Gnea, I mean file size, not dimension.. |
| 09:29.05 | cmihai | Wham. nv driver. Same problem |
| 09:29.07 | Gnea | and anyone that complains is a fucking n00b |
| 09:29.11 | liable | Guerin: allblacks match? |
| 09:29.13 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 09:29.14 | Gnea | still |
| 09:29.15 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:29.18 | cmihai | Holy shit, nv is like 1000 times faster than nvidia. |
| 09:29.23 | Gnea | it's just fine |
| 09:29.26 | Guerin | liable: yeah. If you tell me the score I will DDOS you into next week. |
| 09:29.26 | cmihai | Pity my screen flickers with nv. |
| 09:29.34 | bluefox83 | Gnea, you coulda let gnome make the filesize a little smaller so it would load faster.. |
| 09:29.49 | Eulex | cmihai, vmware problem |
| 09:29.50 | Guerin | liable: me and my robot army of korean spamboxen will show you no mercy. |
| 09:29.53 | Gnea | what is this 'gnome' thing you speak of? :) |
| 09:29.55 | liable | hah |
| 09:29.57 | Eulex | hehe |
| 09:30.11 | cmihai | Clearly. By the way, I just noticed my system runs like a lot better with "nv" then "nvidia"... |
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| 09:30.22 | bluefox83 | er, not gnome, gimp |
| 09:30.28 | coercion | bahahahahahaha |
| 09:30.28 | coercion | omg |
| 09:30.31 | bluefox83 | why the hell did i say gnome >.> |
| 09:30.31 | coercion | i feel pretty dumb |
| 09:30.32 | Gnea | holy shit |
| 09:30.35 | coercion | i didnt even have the core |
| 09:30.38 | coercion | RIFK |
| 09:30.46 | spdf | Gnea, Sexy looking desktop yyou've got though.. |
| 09:30.47 | Guerin | Gnea: e has some much chrominess, and you obviously care a lot about it, so why the fucking ugliest font in the world? |
| 09:30.49 | Gnea | bluefox83: are you SURE you've used E before? |
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| 09:31.11 | Gnea | there is nothing wrong with nexus. |
| 09:31.17 | Eulex | Guerin, haha |
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| 09:31.36 | Guerin | nothing right with it, either |
| 09:31.37 | bluefox83 | Gnea, yes |
| 09:31.53 | liable | well thats a nice part message. |
| 09:31.57 | HarleyG | hi |
| 09:31.59 | HarleyG | i need a hand, i cant even write to my home to |
| 09:32.05 | Gnea | Guerin: it works for me. |
| 09:32.08 | HarleyG | says its read only file system |
| 09:32.09 | bluefox83 | cmihai, re install your nvidia drivers, will solve your problem of nv running better than "nvidia" |
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| 09:32.22 | HarleyG | i cant chmod it |
| 09:32.23 | Gnea | choose your own font and have fun with it, don't try to shove another down my throat |
| 09:32.25 | empty | HarleyG, did it just happen out of the blue? |
| 09:32.29 | amorphix | whats the best way to make a ramdisk disk set? |
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| 09:32.37 | Guerin | Gnea: hangover starting to kick in? |
| 09:32.42 | cmihai | bluefox83: really?! Well, it's like, apps start faster with nv, windows move faster... 2D stuff I guess. |
| 09:32.49 | Gnea | Guerin: eh i started drinking water |
| 09:32.53 | liable | HarleyG: you need to remount it rw. |
| 09:32.55 | HarleyG | empty: yes, i just sshd in and even root cant chmod it/write to it |
| 09:33.01 | amorphix | hi |
| 09:33.11 | empty | HarleyG, it's probably a hosed FS then and wants to be fscked |
| 09:33.22 | Gnea | bluefox83: do you see that Eterm on the left side of the ss? |
| 09:33.23 | HarleyG | ok |
| 09:33.30 | HarleyG | so what i do? |
| 09:33.37 | empty | HarleyG, chmod won't help, its the whole filesystem that is RO |
| 09:33.48 | HarleyG | yes |
| 09:33.51 | amorphix | is it possible to install linux onto floppy disks and then boot a system using ramdisk? |
| 09:33.56 | bluefox83 | cmeme, yeah, even if you already have it installed for a kernel, you should run the installer, use the uninstall feature, then reinstall it, it'll compile and install specifically for your video card |
| 09:34.00 | HarleyG | empty: can you help me then, i got no idea :) |
| 09:34.04 | Eulex | HarleyG, remount it rw |
| 09:34.08 | empty | HarleyG, 1) BACK UP THE FILESYSTEM 2) reboot to single user mode 3) run fsck on it |
| 09:34.13 | Gnea | HarleyG: can you remount it rw? |
| 09:34.26 | HarleyG | :| |
| 09:34.26 | empty | Eulex, if it just happened randomly it's probably got errors |
| 09:34.33 | HarleyG | i dont get it, remount it rw |
| 09:34.36 | bluefox83 | Gnea, yes i see the eterm |
| 09:34.37 | liable | HarleyG: reiserfs? |
| 09:34.40 | HarleyG | yes |
| 09:34.43 | Eulex | empty, yes, hardware errors |
| 09:34.44 | liable | hah |
| 09:34.46 | Gnea | bluefox83: do you see the commands being typed there? |
| 09:34.46 | bluefox83 | what about it |
| 09:34.54 | liable | !ricerfs |
| 09:34.58 | Gnea | where is the gimp? nowhere. |
| 09:34.59 | liable | gah |
| 09:35.02 | Gnea | where is gnome? nowhere. |
| 09:35.12 | HarleyG | my oldbox is downstairs, its in console mode, i just ssh in |
| 09:35.30 | Gnea | HarleyG: grep remount /etc/init.d/* |
| 09:35.32 | Eulex | empty, umh, reiserfs, that doesn't need to hardware problems to be fscked up |
| 09:35.38 | Gnea | one of those will show you |
| 09:35.45 | bluefox83 | Gnea, you should try using gimp then, it really helps bring the file size down without losing much in the way of wuality |
| 09:35.49 | bluefox83 | *quality |
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| 09:35.54 | bluefox83 | damn typing in the dark.. |
| 09:36.00 | Gnea | you know what |
| 09:36.10 | spdf | Haha.. Here it comes.. :) |
| 09:36.11 | Gnea | i would |
| 09:36.12 | Gnea | but |
| 09:36.15 | Gnea | i don't feel like it |
| 09:36.16 | Gnea | so |
| 09:36.19 | spdf | BA ZING! |
| 09:36.30 | coercion | this is weird |
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| 09:36.33 | liable | !tell Gnea about enter |
| 09:36.35 | coercion | now i get a different kinda static |
| 09:36.37 | adapter | hello all |
| 09:36.40 | coercion | it's like a tv screen |
| 09:36.40 | liable | Gnea: :P |
| 09:36.44 | coercion | and it doesnt go away |
| 09:36.44 | Gnea | dpkg: No such nick/channel |
| 09:36.49 | `Baiat_Bun13 | hello all!!!! |
| 09:36.51 | liable | wah :( |
| 09:36.53 | coercion | :| |
| 09:36.57 | spdf | liable, box went down.. |
| 09:37.01 | Gnea | yeah i know, i saw that before |
| 09:37.04 | HarleyG | gnea: i do grep remount /etc/init.d? |
| 09:37.07 | coercion | whoaaaaa |
| 09:37.09 | Eulex | coercion, video config problems |
| 09:37.09 | coercion | okay |
| 09:37.14 | liable | spdf: yeah, I remember now. |
| 09:37.14 | coercion | i see debian |
| 09:37.17 | coercion | and a buncha stuff |
| 09:37.17 | Gnea | HarleyG: grep remount /etc/init.d/* |
| 09:37.20 | coercion | it's all black and white |
| 09:37.27 | coercion | and the screens shakey |
| 09:37.31 | coercion | and glitchin |
| 09:37.32 | HarleyG | everything |
| 09:37.34 | Eulex | coercion, ooo, you see debian, you see the light :) |
| 09:37.35 | bluefox83 | Gnea, did you compile that E yourself or did you find it in a package someplace? |
| 09:37.35 | HarleyG | permission denied |
| 09:37.35 | Gnea | HarleyG: just like i typed it |
| 09:37.36 | Gnea | yes |
| 09:37.41 | Gnea | oh man |
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| 09:37.50 | liable | coercion: on acid? |
| 09:37.51 | Gnea | bluefox83: compiled it |
| 09:37.52 | Eulex | !tell coercion about enter |
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| 09:38.00 | Eulex | coercion, video config problem |
| 09:38.06 | coercion | is there a key combo i can use to get out of wdm |
| 09:38.10 | Gnea | !tell Eulex about dead_bots |
| 09:38.23 | Eulex | Gnea, oh, yes... forgot that |
| 09:38.24 | bluefox83 | Gnea, i tend to have disasterous outcomes when i try to compile things that big by myself, so i try to stay away from it |
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| 09:38.28 | liable | coercion: alt + ctrl + F1 |
| 09:38.28 | debugger | how can I install openssh-server? apt-cache openssh-server does not return anything :( |
| 09:38.29 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:38.29 | HarleyG | gnea: no permission in root to do grep remount /etc/init.d/* |
| 09:38.34 | coercion | cool |
| 09:38.35 | paulswm | No dpkg :( |
| 09:38.39 | liable | debugger: ssh |
| 09:38.42 | empty | debugger: ssh |
| 09:38.44 | Gnea | bluefox83: 10 years ago i had no choice. |
| 09:38.49 | coercion | now how do i kill wdm it's on process 2490 |
| 09:38.50 | empty | liable: echo echo |
| 09:38.58 | coercion | sry it's been a few yrs since i used linux |
| 09:38.59 | coercion | :) |
| 09:39.02 | bluefox83 | Gnea, i haven't been using linux that long..lol |
| 09:39.05 | Genghis_ | when i do a who on debian, i can see users that are not logged in anymore listed, and they havent got a sshd session running... any solution to that? |
| 09:39.08 | Gnea | HarleyG: as user or root? |
| 09:39.10 | Eulex | coercion, kill 2490 |
| 09:39.13 | liable | empty: what, what ... what........what......... :P |
| 09:39.14 | HarleyG | gnea: root |
| 09:39.20 | empty | coercion, kill 2490 but if you are in X it is going to boot you |
| 09:39.24 | foobus | HarleyG, you have to reboot into single mode |
| 09:39.27 | robin_sz | so .. I have moved all my old redhat based stuff to debian .. hurrah! .. except for mail |
| 09:39.27 | coercion | that doesnt work |
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| 09:39.35 | coercion | wdmLogin is still active |
| 09:39.36 | debugger | liable, empty : ah thx! :) |
| 09:39.48 | HarleyG | foobus: how i do tht, my oldbox dont even have a monitor |
| 09:39.50 | HarleyG | :| |
| 09:39.51 | Gnea | HarleyG: you've got some *serious* problems then - mount -n -o remount,rw / |
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| 09:40.11 | foobus | oldbox? that's the one that's messed up? |
| 09:40.13 | rvl | beweiss??? |
| 09:40.16 | HarleyG | yes |
| 09:40.16 | robin_sz | I did move mail to debian using Qmail/vpopmail/sqwebmail/qmailadmin once .. but qmail made it hard ... |
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| 09:40.20 | Gnea | HarleyG: unplug the one you're looking at right now, drag it downstairs and hook it up |
| 09:40.24 | liable | HarleyG: take your monitoe down stairs, and do it. |
| 09:40.26 | HarleyG | lol |
| 09:40.27 | empty | HarleyG, you need to cart a monitor and KB to it dude, sorry but that's how it is |
| 09:40.28 | robin_sz | is it possible to use exim with vpopmail? |
| 09:40.31 | Gnea | you laugh |
| 09:40.33 | Gnea | and i'm serious |
| 09:40.34 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:40.35 | HarleyG | ahh ok |
| 09:40.36 | coercion | k kewl took a little to figure that |
| 09:40.37 | coercion | hrmm |
| 09:40.40 | coercion | now to video config |
| 09:40.41 | HarleyG | god ui just woke up |
| 09:40.41 | coercion | ;\ |
| 09:40.42 | HarleyG | :D |
| 09:40.56 | Gnea | robin_sz: not easily... |
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| 09:41.11 | empty | HarleyG, might be better to bring the box upstairs |
| 09:41.20 | HarleyG | na ill leave it down there |
| 09:41.27 | empty | HarleyG, so you can flip the monitor back and forth if you need to |
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| 09:41.32 | robin_sz | Gnea: is there someting that provided similar functionality to vpopmail for exim? |
| 09:41.34 | HarleyG | i do have a spare monitor but its not flat screen :D |
| 09:41.40 | liable | HarleyG: or just shoot it with 00 SG's |
| 09:41.42 | empty | HarleyG, lus I know I'd rather carry a box than a monitor ;) |
| 09:41.44 | HarleyG | lol |
| 09:41.48 | Gnea | robin_sz: i tried dovecot out awhile back, but it hadn't matured much then, i'm about to give it another shot in a week or 2 |
| 09:41.51 | HarleyG | but the box is like |
| 09:41.53 | HarleyG | giant |
| 09:41.55 | holycow | hey guys |
| 09:41.56 | HarleyG | got 18 fans |
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| 09:41.58 | HarleyG | 7 hds |
| 09:41.58 | HarleyG | :D |
| 09:42.00 | liable | wtf |
| 09:42.09 | liable | !moo |
| 09:42.12 | liable | gah |
| 09:42.12 | HarleyG | its a werid up box |
| 09:42.14 | israelrt | Honorable mention: #debian on irc.freenode.org |
| 09:42.16 | liable | no dpkg |
| 09:42.16 | empty | HarleyG, jebus |
| 09:42.18 | HarleyG | brb |
| 09:42.30 | empty | HarleyG, spare monitor time then LOL |
| 09:42.31 | israelrt | http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20050102.ars/2 |
| 09:42.32 | robin_sz | Gnea: fair enough .. so what do people use to host multiple domains on Debian then? |
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| 09:42.46 | Gnea | robin_sz: i think the newer version has some database and virtual user support - that was the idea, anyway, the only problem was they were still developing it and the stable release only supported either system users or virtual users, but not both at the same time |
| 09:42.48 | liable | !wb |
| 09:42.48 | dpkg | thanks, liable. It's good to be back. |
| 09:42.50 | mortum | can i install a package from experimental i am in testing? |
| 09:43.14 | israelrt | The best and worst of 2004 |
| 09:43.19 | `Baiat_Bun13 | a |
| 09:43.20 | robin_sz | Gnea: ok, sounds unstable ... lets forget dovecot for the moment ... |
| 09:43.43 | liable | mortum: you are dicing with death there son. |
| 09:43.45 | Gnea | robin_sz: like i said, this was about a year ago. |
| 09:43.54 | holycow | anyone know of a decent tutorial for building debs from source files? i'm googling but all the tutorials deal with rebuilding and weird stuff like that, and the debian package maintainersj doc goes into too much detail. i know how to structure a bunch of binaries and deb them up, what i need to grok is how one goes from source files, compiles them into binaries, then gets a deb out of that? |
| 09:43.54 | Gnea | robin_sz: i haven't checked on its progress recently. |
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| 09:44.02 | Gnea | haven't been arsed to |
| 09:44.05 | Gnea | robin_sz: however |
| 09:44.05 | `Baiat_Bun13 | :P |
| 09:44.06 | Gnea | robin_sz: |
| 09:44.08 | Gnea | oops |
| 09:44.08 | mortum | liable: ok |
| 09:44.14 | Gnea | i need another beer soon |
| 09:44.25 | israelrt | "It was interesting to see that the #debian channel on Freenode was able to take second place in our "Thumbs Down" category. This group of people has managed to turn around many potential Debian and Linux newbies from test driving Debian, or Linux in general. For all their claims to be about Debian support, they have the least inclusive and most unfriendly attitude on the planet. There are several people who are good with *nix who |
| 09:44.25 | israelrt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.27 | robin_sz | Gnea: it sounds too new to be production stable .. I'll pass on that |
| 09:44.28 | empty | robin_sz, vpopmail was originally designed for qmail- personally I'd go that route (but then I am a qmail fanatic) |
| 09:44.30 | Eulex | Gnea: enter :) |
| 09:45.06 | Gnea | robin_sz: qmail/vpopmail is probably the best stable bet for sure right now, unfortunately - but i'll check out dovecot now just for shits 'n grins |
| 09:45.07 | robin_sz | empty: I used to be, but since its responsible for most of the worlds spam, due to coding errors, I now hate it and want to get off. |
| 09:45.13 | coercion | on the back of my monitor it says 47-63hz is that vertical or horiz? |
| 09:45.22 | foobus | israelrt, let me guess, that was Dan Lyons of Forbes? |
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| 09:45.23 | empty | robin_sz, thats bullshit |
| 09:45.28 | Guerin | israelrt: old news. |
| 09:45.32 | robin_sz | empty: sadly not. |
| 09:45.34 | Eulex | israelrt, oh... seems like we have to be a little more friendly then :) |
| 09:45.35 | Gnea | robin_sz: actually there's some very good spamassassin plugins for that system |
| 09:45.39 | Eulex | !beer israelrt |
| 09:45.48 | Eulex | oh, he's back :) |
| 09:45.51 | empty | robin_sz, *seriously* bullshit |
| 09:45.54 | robin_sz | Gnea: I know, but qmail has some basic problems with bounce handling |
| 09:45.57 | Guerin | the old drive-by troll |
| 09:46.05 | Gnea | robin_sz: qmail has more problems than just that heh |
| 09:46.08 | empty | robin_sz, are you talking about asynchronous bounces? There are many fixes for it |
| 09:46.08 | christel | hmm |
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| 09:46.31 | Guerin | qmail really is a fucking evil piece o' shit when it comes to spam |
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| 09:46.46 | Gnea | robin_sz: i'd prefer a exim4+spamassassin+sa-exim+dovecot+mysql+apache2+openexchange type system, it's just taking awhile to get there |
| 09:47.16 | robin_sz | empty: I'm talking about it accepting mail with a 250 response when no such user exists, then tryying to bounce it to the (forged) reply-to address sometime later .. where a 550 response at delivery time would have bene more appropriate |
| 09:47.23 | empty | Guerin, stock qmail is sure but show me another MTA last updated in 99 that isn't? the field has changed |
| 09:47.24 | Guerin | quite apart from it being non-free djbware which hasn't been updated in years because its creator thinks it emerged from his fingertips perfect in every way |
| 09:47.35 | empty | robin_sz, yes, asynchornous bounces |
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| 09:47.38 | Guerin | empty: that's not the point. |
| 09:48.00 | robin_sz | empty: you call them that .. I call them "broken" |
| 09:48.02 | Guerin | empty: the point is that it's shit software from the get-go, primarily because of djb. |
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| 09:48.23 | qpee | sorry for rephrasing but how could i map a keyboard-whell to the function of the mousewheel? |
| 09:48.23 | empty | Guerin, the point is not that qmail is an evil piece of shit, it is that many qmail admins do not properly pach their shit |
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| 09:48.34 | Guerin | empty: you can't argue in favour of that 'feature' - it's horribly, disgustingly broken, by design. |
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| 09:48.37 | adapter | ver |
| 09:48.42 | Guerin | empty: why the fuck should they HAVE TO? |
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| 09:49.10 | empty | Guerin, I can argue that it was reasonable at the time |
| 09:49.17 | robin_sz | empty: dont talk crap ... its a piece of shit that (if you can be arsed to track down all the crazy patches) can be patched into a passable system .. but as delivered .. its shit. |
| 09:49.20 | Guerin | empty: since the only real qmail is the qmail distributed by djb, it is perfectly correct to say that qmail - the official version - is broken and shit. |
| 09:49.24 | liable | qpee: whats a keyboard-whell? |
| 09:49.26 | Guerin | empty: no, you can't. |
| 09:49.31 | coercion | i guess my monitor settings are right but the video card cant handle it? |
| 09:49.42 | empty | Guerin, when 550's were a primary method of spammer enumeration of domains |
| 09:49.50 | liable | coercion: whats wrong now? |
| 09:49.53 | Guerin | empty: you're wrong, and if you believe djb's rationales, you're a fucking idiot to boot. |
| 09:50.11 | Guerin | empty: and let's not start into why it hasn't been changed. |
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| 09:50.13 | qpee | liable, i have a whell on my keyboard (for multimedia stuff, like volume) which is not known by my debian, and i'd like to use it to turn the vol of xmms up (whcih happens e.g when i turn the moouse-wheel up and down) |
| 09:50.19 | Guerin | empty: or the license, or lack thereof. |
| 09:50.32 | coercion | well liable it's still the same, i mean i can see some type of login prompt |
| 09:50.34 | empty | Guerin, sure, lets quibble that its broken out of the box... I don't argue that. But, properly patched and maintained it is secure and stable |
| 09:50.43 | coercion | but it's fuzzy and retarded with the color info goin haywire |
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| 09:51.10 | empty | Guerin, that license exists b/c of djbs security guarantee, one that's not yet been beat I might add |
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| 09:51.21 | Guerin | empty: ANY piece of software, properly patched, is secure and stable. Your statement is meaningless. |
| 09:51.22 | liable | coercion: back too reconfigure, your getting close, but no cigar. |
| 09:51.31 | empty | Guerin, webmin :P |
| 09:51.38 | Guerin | empty: sendmail v1.0 is secure and stable - if you patch it up to current. |
| 09:51.40 | robin_sz | empty: if the license allowed a nicely patched.deb to be distributed it would be good, but it doenst. so the world suffers spam caused by the madness of djb |
| 09:51.52 | Guerin | empty: webmin is secure and stable if you patch it to not accept connections. |
| 09:51.52 | liable | qpee: sorry, no idea what that bit of kit is. |
| 09:52.05 | jmd | Does anyone here use ispell for non English languages ? |
| 09:52.06 | empty | robin_sz, yes, and guns kill people all by themselves with noone holding them |
| 09:52.06 | jetx | man xkbmodmap |
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| 09:52.23 | Gnea | empty: the way things are going, yeah |
| 09:52.23 | empty | Guerin, but out of the box its shit |
| 09:52.25 | liable | err, xmodmap? |
| 09:52.34 | Guerin | empty: just like qmail. |
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| 09:52.40 | jetx | man xkbmodmap qpee |
| 09:52.41 | robin_sz | empty: and dont forget the djb-qmail qmail-inter7 inter7-robomail connection |
| 09:52.48 | Guerin | empty: except less so, because it's still free software. |
| 09:52.52 | jetx | err ok xmodmap then |
| 09:52.58 | qpee | liable, sorry my english is not that good. `what that bit of kit` means, you don't know what the answer of the question is, or that my question was sentenced to bad |
| 09:53.01 | jetx | whatever |
| 09:53.10 | HarleyG | back |
| 09:53.14 | jetx | errr ehich |
| 09:53.15 | HarleyG | i no ive had this prob b4 |
| 09:53.21 | jetx | which |
| 09:53.21 | HarleyG | when i booted it |
| 09:53.25 | HarleyG | sed grub error 21 |
| 09:53.26 | qpee | jetx, thanks. i'll take a look! |
| 09:53.30 | HarleyG | then i rebooted again and it works |
| 09:53.36 | HarleyG | didnt have to remount etc |
| 09:53.39 | HarleyG | its stupid eh? |
| 09:53.44 | liable | qpee: a bit of both I think, whats your native tongue. |
| 09:53.52 | jetx | everybody loves grub except me |
| 09:53.52 | qpee | liable, german |
| 09:53.53 | Eulex | HarleyG, if you reboot, it will be remounted |
| 09:54.02 | HarleyG | yeh :D |
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| 09:54.11 | liable | qpee: have you tried #debian.de? |
| 09:54.12 | empty | Hoo boy, religious debate. Look, I run mailservers running qmail and I never fear being rooted through them, ever. I never fear they will accept a message and then *not* deliver it except b massive hardware failure. My systems do not asynchronously bounce. |
| 09:54.17 | coercion | liable, thats the weird thing though, this vid card worked fine under DamnSmallLinux |
| 09:54.19 | coercion | no problem |
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| 09:54.35 | coercion | i dont see what issues it could possibly have under debian |
| 09:54.37 | Guerin | empty: it's clear at this point that you're just another drooling djb fanboi. |
| 09:54.42 | jetx | !hwinfo |
| 09:54.42 | dpkg | well, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 09:54.44 | qpee | liable, ohh yes. but they are not very communicative. and i'll try to improve/train my english :) |
| 09:54.49 | liable | coercion: you dont happen to know what specs you specified though? |
| 09:54.59 | liable | qpee: no problem. |
| 09:55.03 | jmd | Does anyone here use ispell for non English languages ? |
| 09:55.09 | empty | Guerin, Yes, clearly. That's an excellent way to invalidate my many years of experience with sendmail and postfic |
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| 09:55.16 | empty | s/c$/x/ |
| 09:55.18 | coercion | damnsmalllinux is a cd distro |
| 09:55.21 | coercion | autoconfigs everything |
| 09:55.32 | Guerin | empty: you got rooted using postfix!!!?? |
| 09:55.33 | liable | coercion: well, check the config |
| 09:55.34 | danang | jakarta |
| 09:55.43 | Guerin | empty: i bet wietse venema would want to know about that! |
| 09:55.46 | empty | Guerin, nope, but it lost mail on occasion |
| 09:55.52 | coercion | what config? |
| 09:55.53 | coercion | xf86? |
| 09:55.58 | Eulex | yes |
| 09:55.58 | liable | yes |
| 09:56.01 | jetx | !drxx |
| 09:56.01 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 09:56.04 | coercion | i think it's a driver issue |
| 09:56.09 | Guerin | empty: oh, and you blame postfix, rather than your bad management? |
| 09:56.10 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:56.14 | liable | coercion: well lsmod too then |
| 09:56.15 | coercion | it has to be |
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| 09:56.30 | liable | coercion: when in dsl |
| 09:56.35 | empty | Guerin, why not? you blame qmail instead of qmail users bad management |
| 09:56.40 | qpee | jetx, in which package can i find xkbmodmap? |
| 09:56.42 | coercion | ? |
| 09:56.42 | jetx | there's a list of what drivers to use for which card somewhere |
| 09:56.48 | coercion | Trident Tgui 9440 |
| 09:56.57 | coercion | is there any way you'de know what i'd have to do |
| 09:57.04 | coercion | it detects it as taht |
| 09:57.04 | liable | coercion: the modules, though I doubt thats the issue |
| 09:57.06 | jetx | qpee: it may be named xmodmap, somebody said so |
| 09:57.21 | robin_sz | empty: no, qmail (as in what djb distributes) has fundamental flaws. end of story. |
| 09:57.25 | Guerin | empty: how you store and manage your mail isn't postfix's domain. |
| 09:57.36 | coercion | in lsmod i dont see any video modules] |
| 09:57.37 | jetx | qpee: yes, xmodmap |
| 09:57.43 | empty | Guerin, your arguments as I see them are "Not free-like-speech, broken out of the box". If one of those doesn't really matter to me and the other is easily fixed whats the beef then? |
| 09:57.48 | qpee | jetx, right. i got that installed |
| 09:57.57 | liable | qpee: yes, xmodmap, you should already have it, just need to do a config for it, though i'm not sure it'll satisfy your needs. |
| 09:57.58 | empty | Guerin, the queue sure as hell is |
| 09:58.13 | Guerin | empty: you're encouraging others to use qmail. This is a really bad thing. |
| 09:58.36 | empty | Guerin, what the fuck ever |
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| 09:58.40 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 09:58.40 | dpkg | somebody said whatever was the last word of the loser of an argument |
| 09:58.47 | robin_sz | so anyway ... the qmail pseudo-package for debain ... |
| 09:58.56 | robin_sz | is that patched in a sensible way? |
| 09:58.58 | liable | coercion: wtf do you mean by video modules? |
| 09:59.04 | empty | Guerin, I gave someone a piece of advice because they were asking about vpopmail |
| 09:59.17 | empty | Guerin, I even disclaimed it |
| 09:59.30 | liable | qpee: google xmodmap. |
| 09:59.31 | robin_sz | yes, very good .. now .. |
| 09:59.36 | robin_sz | so anyway ... the qmail pseudo-package for debain ... |
| 09:59.38 | robin_sz | is that patched in a sensible way? |
| 09:59.51 | empty | robin_sz, I have no idea, I build from source |
| 09:59.54 | coercion | k nvm |
| 09:59.55 | robin_sz | or is it just as borked as the original? |
| 09:59.56 | coercion | gimme a sec |
| 09:59.59 | qpee | liable, it's just that this wheel (in windows used for volume-handling) is not having a function in my debian setup. now i want to give this wheel a functionality which means turning it left == mouse scroll down == volume down etc |
| 10:00.08 | empty | robin_sz, I assume it comes with the netqmail patches |
| 10:00.12 | Guerin | robin_sz: it's patched sanely, aiui |
| 10:00.41 | Guerin | huzzah, my match has come in |
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| 10:00.45 | paulswm | Can't anybody write paragraphs today? Or is it like International Hit Enter A Lot Day? |
| 10:00.46 | Guerin | see y'all in a couple hours |
| 10:00.50 | liable | qpee: you may not be able to do that easily, have you just installed debian? |
| 10:00.57 | robin_sz | empty: do the netqmail patches correct the 'directories in /' madness? |
| 10:01.21 | ledet | robin_sz: no |
| 10:01.36 | ledet | robin_sz: but youre asked where you want your directories during the installation |
| 10:01.48 | robin_sz | ledet: OK, |
| 10:01.49 | ledet | robin_sz: so that you can put them in /var |
| 10:02.01 | qpee | liable, no. i've been working with debian for more than 1,5 years, but this problem is very new to me |
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| 10:02.03 | liable | Guerin: the core is 31-20 allblacks loose :P |
| 10:02.10 | liable | *score. |
| 10:02.13 | empty | robin_sz, No, they don't, but I'm betting there are debian patches in it too |
| 10:02.21 | ledet | robin_sz: putting directories in / is... ugly... yuck! |
| 10:02.27 | liable | Guerin: jk :P |
| 10:02.45 | robin_sz | ledet: sounds OK, I just dont want extra stuff in / like 'services' and all that other stuff that the various djb additions seem to need |
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| 10:03.06 | ledet | robin_sz: i aggree |
| 10:03.06 | robin_sz | ledet: putting dirs in / is a hanging offence |
| 10:03.15 | ledet | robin_sz: i aggree to that too :) |
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| 10:03.40 | ledet | qpee: select the correct keyboard in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 10:04.31 | ledet | qpee: as an example i have Option "XkbModel" "logicdo" to get various key on my keyboard working |
| 10:04.35 | paulswm | Everyone and everything should follow the FHS 2.1 |
| 10:04.42 | ledet | qpee: then i dont have to mess around with xmodmap |
| 10:04.57 | liable | paulswm: that is? |
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| 10:05.00 | ledet | qpee: and i can let my window manager catch the key events |
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| 10:05.23 | ledet | qpee: (fluxbox... but it could be any sane window manager) |
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| 10:07.07 | Quickimaster | hello, how can i use a tar.bz2 file on debian? this is what i have and i have to extract it i gues |
| 10:07.25 | foobus | tar xjf tar.bz2 |
| 10:07.38 | dimix | How can i have framebuffer with nvidia driver ? |
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| 10:07.49 | robin_sz | oh fsckit .. I almost thought about actually installing qmail then .. best go do someting else until the madness wears off |
| 10:07.59 | Quickimaster | so: tar xjf file.tar.bz2? |
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| 10:08.07 | Quickimaster | thank you |
| 10:09.01 | liable | error, no such file. :P |
| 10:09.09 | foobus | heh |
| 10:09.10 | ledet | robin_sz: i actually like qmail... errr... well... the qmail you get from the qmail-src package anyway... :) |
| 10:09.30 | coercion | i'm still getting a garbled video display |
| 10:09.36 | coercion | i still think it has nothing to do with settings |
| 10:09.39 | coercion | cuz i've tried everything |
| 10:09.44 | empty | ledet, hush you'll be strung up |
| 10:09.58 | coercion | how do i check framebuffer |
| 10:09.59 | coercion | or whatnot |
| 10:10.01 | liable | coercion: what kernel? |
| 10:10.08 | ledet | empty: nah, Guerin went to do something constructive :9 |
| 10:10.15 | empty | ledet, LOL |
| 10:10.39 | empty | ledet, have you played with magic-smtpd? |
| 10:10.48 | ledet | empty: nope |
| 10:10.51 | coercion | 2.4.27-2-586tsc |
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| 10:11.00 | ledet | empty: what does it do? |
| 10:11.04 | empty | ledet, cool perl-based smtpd drop in replacement |
| 10:11.07 | liable | coercion: dunno, but try a 2.6 |
| 10:11.10 | JavaGuy | i'm trying to replace "xyz" by "abc" in all text files in a certain dir ... any command which could help me with that ? |
| 10:11.20 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 10:11.24 | amorphix | is it possible to install linux onto floppy disks and then boot a system using ramdisk? |
| 10:11.29 | empty | ledet, lets you assign a program to check for user existence for one, to stop the admittedly nasty async bounces |
| 10:11.31 | ledet | empty: mmm... perl... |
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| 10:11.53 | sarmiento | hi |
| 10:11.56 | amorphix | hi |
| 10:12.11 | empty | ledet, lets you do many other things, like start returning 55x's after every address if the remote gets X invalid user, lots of other spam controls |
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| 10:12.29 | sarmiento | What do I do to send the sound to esd saemon |
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| 10:12.58 | foobus | just rub it for ahwile |
| 10:13.10 | empty | ledet, http://www.linuxmagic.com/opensource/magicmail/magic-smtpd/ |
| 10:13.10 | liable | hahaha |
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| 10:13.14 | Eulex | !beer foobus |
| 10:13.22 | liable | sarmiento: dont use esd |
| 10:13.29 | sarmiento | why |
| 10:13.35 | liable | use alsa |
| 10:13.41 | sarmiento | why |
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| 10:14.03 | qpee | liable, thanks. i'm using wmaker |
| 10:14.24 | sarmiento | then what i do to send the sound to the alsa deamon |
| 10:14.25 | torrent_masters | hmm so ive been running that iftop but i dont understand the last 3 columns: |
| 10:14.36 | torrent_masters | TX: cumm: 1.75GB peak: 5.75Mb rates: 3.83Mb 3.75Mb 3.58Mb |
| 10:14.38 | tarzeau | streuner: moo, http://www.qolume.ch/gallery/Grill-Chill |
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| 10:14.51 | liable | qpee: thanks? for what? |
| 10:15.28 | liable | sarmiento: what are you trying to get sound out of? |
| 10:16.37 | torrent_masters | liable do you know iftop at all? |
| 10:16.42 | ledet | empty: sounds cool |
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| 10:17.00 | liable | torrent_masters: no, iptraf though. |
| 10:17.03 | coercion | liable is there an easy way i can update my kernel? |
| 10:17.11 | coercion | or do i have to download it manually and such |
| 10:17.14 | liable | coercion: yes, apt-get |
| 10:17.30 | coercion | what cmds would i use? |
| 10:17.48 | ledet | coercion: apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 10:18.03 | ledet | coercion: then apt-get install whatever-kernel-image-you-see-fit |
| 10:18.13 | coercion | k |
| 10:18.22 | liable | coercion: apt-get kernel-image 2.6-386 |
| 10:18.39 | spdf | tarzeau, Thae white sausage doesn't look very appealing.. |
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| 10:19.00 | tarzeau | spdf: did you notice the duck everywhere? |
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| 10:19.01 | liable | coercion: I still dont think it will help, but get it anyways. |
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| 10:19.48 | zyg | how to config words's size in X11?thanks |
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| 10:20.09 | Eulex | zyg: you mean dpi? |
| 10:20.24 | liable | godamm, hiccups! |
| 10:20.54 | spdf | tarzeau, Nope, Didn't notice the ducks |
| 10:20.57 | zyg | my words in windows are too small, and i don't know how to config it |
| 10:21.19 | qpee | liable, for hinting me to tghe XConfig-Option |
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| 10:21.35 | liable | I think I remember reading about a person that died from hiccups. |
| 10:21.49 | liable | qpee: sweet, you fixed it? |
| 10:21.55 | tarzeau | spdf: you're on july 02? go to the 3rd page or so |
| 10:21.57 | iLLf8d | dude |
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| 10:22.10 | ledet | qpee: that was me, not liable :) |
| 10:22.56 | liable | oh no. Messed up thankyou's :P |
| 10:23.08 | zyg | Eulex: does i how to config the file "xserverrc",which contends "exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp" |
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| 10:24.23 | ledet | liable: :) |
| 10:24.28 | bisquit | Baharrum. I still can't get my PDC20276 (Promise FastTrak RAID-thingy) to work... I mean... there's three perfectly good disks connected to those extra-ide slots and I sure would like to get the use of them. :-/ |
| 10:24.29 | ledet | liable: tab-completion |
| 10:24.49 | liable | ledet: hah, many a fuckup from that :P |
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| 10:26.20 | liable | wow, am I the only one that didnt understand zyg? |
| 10:26.48 | jethro | !confuse liable |
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| 10:26.49 | dpkg | Yes, who are their gerbil yesterday, liable? lederhosen of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra ham |
| 10:26.50 | ledet | liable: that... and assumption... assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups :) |
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| 10:27.12 | liable | hah, thats a good confuse :) |
| 10:27.15 | Gnea | !beer dpkg |
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| 10:27.50 | liable | jethro: howdy :) |
| 10:29.07 | jethro | liable: hi :) |
| 10:29.11 | qpee | ledet, ohh, all these l's :) thanks to you. man i'm done for today ;) |
| 10:29.44 | qpee | liable, let's see' i'll restart x later on, too many processes going on here i can't interrupt |
| 10:30.15 | liable | when did dpkg get confuse? |
| 10:30.42 | liable | maybe I'm thinking the wrong cmd. |
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| 10:30.49 | jethro | dpkg: factinfo cmd: confuse (.*?) |
| 10:30.50 | dpkg | CMD: confuse (.*?) -- created by sussudio <Suss@d5113238.cable.wanadoo.nl> at Wed Dec 11 13:41:32 2002 (934 days); it has been requested 15 times, last by ningo at Wed Dec 8 12:02:44 2004. |
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| 10:32.20 | liable | yeah, wrong one. |
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| 10:32.41 | dimix | How can i have framebuffer with nvidia driver ? |
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| 10:33.15 | holycow | what is the gtk+ package called in debian? is it libgtkmm? |
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| 10:33.40 | foobus | dimix, modprobe fb, then /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 10:33.49 | baikonur | hi |
| 10:34.01 | liable | @annoy jethro |
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| 10:34.11 | liable | gah |
| 10:34.11 | dimix | foobus:Thank you |
| 10:34.24 | Eulex | ~irritate Eulex |
| 10:34.24 | apt | Eulex: wenas who uses kde !!!1 |
| 10:34.25 | baikonur | which logfile stores error messages from bootup? they are neither in dmesg/messages nor in syslog |
| 10:34.32 | Eulex | :) |
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| 10:34.54 | Eulex | baikonur, dmesg and syslog, if not, there's something wrong with your system |
| 10:35.02 | rikva | does anyone have captive-ntfs working on sarge? I can't access my mounted directories (as root) |
| 10:35.04 | liable | @hi |
| 10:35.30 | liable | captive ntfs? |
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| 10:36.24 | liable | rikva: explain. |
| 10:36.39 | rikva | !captive |
| 10:36.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 10:36.44 | baikonur | Eulex: it's not there, but at bootup there is a message "Loading modules ... FATAL could not load snd-ens1371 and es1371, which are old modules from a previous kernel, but I can't get rid of them. |
| 10:36.46 | liable | baikonur: you need bootlogd |
| 10:37.08 | amorphix | whats the best way to make a ramdisk disk set? |
| 10:37.13 | Eulex | baikonur, check /etc/modules |
| 10:37.18 | coercion | ignoring pci display device 00:09.0 |
| 10:37.20 | coercion | why? |
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| 10:37.49 | amorphix | booting up using ramdisk = difficult? |
| 10:38.08 | Eulex | amorphix, ramdisk? :) |
| 10:38.22 | amorphix | yes |
| 10:38.54 | Eulex | amorphix, they get erased when you turn off your pc, how coul you possibly boot from one? |
| 10:38.55 | amorphix | ramdisk = using RAM as a disk dev to hold a fs |
| 10:39.10 | liable | amorphix: what is your actuall problem. |
| 10:39.16 | amorphix | Eulex: well boot into one from floppy disk |
| 10:39.43 | amorphix | liable: im having trouble making a root disk for my ramdisk boot disks |
| 10:39.46 | amorphix | keeps failing |
| 10:39.47 | Eulex | amorphix, a floppy creates one? anyway, answer amorphix |
| 10:39.58 | coercion | liable ur right updating the kernel didnt do squat |
| 10:40.12 | Eulex | amorphix, he means, why do you need to mess with ramdisks? |
| 10:40.19 | amorphix | oh |
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| 10:40.29 | amorphix | becuz im building a diskless system |
| 10:40.39 | Gnea | heh |
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| 10:40.40 | Eulex | oh |
| 10:40.48 | Eulex | amorphix, considered netboot? |
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| 10:40.58 | amorphix | it has to be independent of the network |
| 10:41.05 | Gnea | netboot is ideal |
| 10:41.21 | Gnea | speaking of which |
| 10:41.32 | liable | coercion: back to reconfigure, go conservative. |
| 10:41.43 | Gnea | i backed up a system (the hd is only 128megs) with a dd if=/dev/hda of=hda |
| 10:41.43 | amorphix | netbooting isnt supported in my BIOS |
| 10:41.45 | coercion | how do you turn framebuffering off/on |
| 10:42.01 | baikonur | liable: which package provides bootlogd? I cannot find it with apt-cache search |
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| 10:42.39 | Eulex | dlocate -S bootlogd |
| 10:42.48 | Gnea | then transferred it to another system - i can shave the mbr off with a dd if=/dev/zero of=hda bs=512 count=1 but no matter what, i can't get it to copy over to a loop device |
| 10:43.06 | Eulex | baikonur, ^^... or maybe apt-file search bootlogd |
| 10:43.43 | liable | baikonur: /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 10:43.49 | baikonur | Eulex: ah, it is already installed but does not work with 2.6 anymore it seems: bootlogd: cannot find console device 136:1 in /dev |
| 10:44.00 | Gnea | for instance: dd if=/dev/zero of=new_filesystem bs=15M count=10 && losetup /dev/loop0 new_filesystem && mkfs.ext2 /dev/loop0 && dd if=hda of=/dev/loop0 <--- why doesn't that work? |
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| 10:44.26 | liable | baikonur: there are problems with it apparently, which is why its disabled. |
| 10:44.35 | amorphix | i wanna make a ramdisk |
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| 10:44.48 | baikonur | liable: but that's no 2.6 issue? |
| 10:44.56 | Eulex | baikonur, no |
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| 10:45.11 | amorphix | if you use lilo to boot from floppy, should the root= be for floppy dev or ramdisk? |
| 10:45.14 | liable | baikonur: what do you mean? |
| 10:45.24 | Gnea | !freeramdisk |
| 10:45.24 | dpkg | i guess freeramdisk is to free the memory used by a ramdisk, use either blockdev from recent util-linux versions, or freeramdisk (see bottom of /usr/src/linux/Documentation/initrd.txt) |
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| 10:45.58 | liable | baikonur: oh, nm, dunno, google it. |
| 10:45.59 | Gnea | amorphix: syslinux |
| 10:46.08 | amorphix | Gnea what is it? |
| 10:46.13 | Gnea | amorphix: syslinux |
| 10:46.24 | amorphix | i dunn what it means Gnea |
| 10:46.28 | amorphix | *dunno |
| 10:46.29 | Gnea | it means |
| 10:46.31 | Gnea | it's syslinux |
| 10:46.33 | baikonur | liable: I've read that 2.6 has a different device system than 2.4, so I thought there is the possibility that I have to manually adapt something with /dev |
| 10:46.39 | Gnea | don't you know how to use debian? |
| 10:46.40 | amorphix | a linux distribution? |
| 10:46.45 | Gnea | apt-cache search syslinux |
| 10:46.46 | Gnea | do that |
| 10:46.52 | baikonur | liable, Eulex thanks |
| 10:46.55 | Eulex | !tell amorphix about syslinux |
| 10:47.06 | amorphix | i dont know much Gnea about technical stuff |
| 10:47.11 | takisd | this is still killing me... usb floppy on a laptop... io errors on mount... comes up as /dev/sda to sdh - thats all of them at once... could that be the problem??? |
| 10:47.12 | amorphix | thanks guys |
| 10:47.26 | Gnea | amorphix: well get used to learning about it |
| 10:47.46 | liable | takisd: explain that a bit better. |
| 10:47.47 | Gnea | takisd: sounds like it |
| 10:47.51 | amorphix | im trying to learn but i find i tend to go round in circles and waste alot of time making boot disks |
| 10:48.09 | amorphix | couldnt get my sys to boot up root disk |
| 10:48.13 | Gnea | amorphix: perhaps you need to spend more time reading instead of beating your head into the wall |
| 10:48.24 | amorphix | i think you're right |
| 10:48.27 | liable | head beating is good. |
| 10:48.27 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:48.34 | Gnea | that's debatable |
| 10:48.55 | takisd | liable: it picks the external usb floppy, at /dev/sda and /dev/sdb... all the way to sdh. all at once, the i try to mount a disk, i can hear it reading the disk, but keeps seeking and i get constant io errors on dmesg |
| 10:49.22 | coercion | liable, i am tryin 640x480 at 8bit |
| 10:49.25 | amorphix | is there a limit to how much memory can be used in ramdisk? |
| 10:49.26 | coercion | and it gives me a fucked up screen |
| 10:49.31 | coercion | i know it's not my settings |
| 10:49.36 | Gnea | amorphix: seriously, look on google for documentation/howtos on initial ramdisk, syslinux - www.tldp.org is helpful as well |
| 10:49.41 | coercion | atleast i hope not |
| 10:49.50 | Gnea | amorphix: whatever the system has |
| 10:49.50 | amorphix | ok im gonna read up on syslinux now |
| 10:49.53 | liable | takisd: it puts it on all those devices? |
| 10:49.56 | amorphix | thx |
| 10:49.56 | baikonur | after upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6 and upgrading debian, my volume control isn't linear anymore, at 49 % it is at its maximum then it is low again and at 100% about the maximum again. Has that something to do with my new kernel or is there a current issue with the alsa packages? |
| 10:50.18 | takisd | liable: yes - i have a udev rule that routes it a symlink also |
| 10:50.36 | liable | takisd: A UDEV RULE? |
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| 10:50.47 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.51 | Eulex | coercion, "you know it's not your settings"? vesa should work very well on that resolution, it's a standard mode and all, so I don't know what could go wrong, except for your hardware |
| 10:51.16 | coercion | could it be the driver? |
| 10:51.19 | takisd | liable: a rule entry in /etc/udev/rules.d for mounting. thats just to ensure i know wher it is - not the problem here |
| 10:51.27 | Eulex | coercion, what driver are you using? |
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| 10:51.42 | coercion | i dont know |
| 10:51.44 | coercion | how do i check |
| 10:51.45 | Gnea | damnit why won't this disk image mount or copy to another medium |
| 10:52.07 | Eulex | coercion, check yer XF86Config-4 |
| 10:52.17 | liable | takisd: lets hear the long story then. |
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| 10:53.14 | coercion | yea it was on vesa |
| 10:53.16 | coercion | gonna try trident now |
| 10:53.20 | foobus | Gnea: /dev/loop/0 ??? |
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| 10:53.34 | amorphix | syslinux is the ticket |
| 10:53.39 | zap_ | i have compiled acpi thermal support into my kernel. unfortunately /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty. any idea what i should look after? |
| 10:54.12 | takisd | liable: no long story here... forget udev thing... i plug the drive in... it goes to devices sda through to sdh all at once i try to mount it - there is drive activity then dmesg fill with Cannot find PRIVHEAD structure. LDM database is corrupt |
| 10:54.46 | coercion | k i tried to run wdm but it closed on me |
| 10:54.48 | coercion | i see 2 log files |
| 10:54.50 | coercion | one with a 0 |
| 10:54.53 | coercion | and another with an 8 |
| 10:55.01 | coercion | Xfree86.#.log |
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| 10:55.05 | coercion | which one is most recent |
| 10:55.05 | coercion | ? |
| 10:55.11 | mage_ | 0 |
| 10:55.28 | zap_ | coercion: look at the date |
| 10:55.35 | foobus | beat me. |
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| 10:55.53 | coercion | bad mode clock/interlace/double scan |
| 10:56.04 | foobus | ctime isn't strictly creation time, but sometimes that works |
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| 10:56.15 | coercion | no screens foun d |
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| 10:56.36 | liable | takisd: you plug it in without a floppy in it? |
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| 10:56.54 | takisd | liable: i've done both |
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| 10:57.20 | liable | takisd: sounds like a fucked up driver. |
| 10:57.21 | cal | how can i sent an internal message to user002 (/home/user002) on this machine? |
| 10:57.40 | takisd | liable: tried it on my main desktop machine also... same problem |
| 10:57.46 | Eulex | cal: what kind of internal message? |
| 10:57.58 | hendry | How do I sort out this new GPG thing with dpkg? |
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| 10:58.05 | coercion | well guess i'm gonna try whats on ur wiki FAQ |
| 10:58.09 | coercion | hope it works ;\ |
| 10:58.19 | cal | Eulex, like email but not, but not setting up an email server. |
| 10:58.25 | liable | write |
| 10:58.28 | foobus | !motd |
| 10:58.29 | dpkg | from memory, motd is the Message Of The Day |
| 10:58.49 | cal | liable, write command only works when user002 is logon. |
| 10:58.53 | Eulex | cal: xmessage? |
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| 10:59.24 | cal | hm... xmessage? |
| 10:59.51 | liable | cal: so why send a message when not logged in? |
| 11:00.18 | liable | cal: put it in mail. |
| 11:00.22 | cal | liable, so when user002 is login, he can read my notes. |
| 11:01.28 | cal | liable, xmessage user002 and put it in /home/user002/mail ? |
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| 11:02.53 | liable | cal: I know nothing about xmessage, but if you put it in /var/mail.... |
| 11:04.05 | zap_ | does anyone know an acpi related channel? |
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| 11:04.20 | liable | zap_: whats the prob? |
| 11:04.34 | zap_ | liable: my acpi thermal does not work |
| 11:04.44 | zap_ | liable: it is compiled into the kernel |
| 11:05.08 | liable | zap_: is it a laptop? |
| 11:05.29 | zap_ | liable: no |
| 11:05.46 | bisquit | Oops. I'm still on Kernel 2.4.xx :P ...So, 2.6.xx has better support for my Promise Technology FastTrak133 Lite RAID? (PDC20276) |
| 11:05.48 | liable | zap_: try looking at lmsensors. |
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| 11:06.18 | zap_ | liable: ok |
| 11:06.37 | cal | liable, oh... you mean just use /var/mail/ as a share folder, and tell user002 in person to go in there to look for /var/mail/user002.read file. |
| 11:06.40 | bisquit | Google told me that one should (re-)compile it oneself, and include some force=yes things there regarding the PDC20276, but those instructions were only for 2.4.xx kernel... |
| 11:06.50 | Stereo | bisquit: read the changelogs. Or just install kernel-image-2.6 and try. |
| 11:06.54 | cyrax | earlier I had the problem with /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - I could not delete it or move it. |
| 11:06.59 | cyrax | it was really irritating. |
| 11:07.15 | bisquit | Stereo: Changelogs! Duh! :D Teehee, sorry. Right. |
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| 11:07.21 | bisquit | <-- slow today |
| 11:07.36 | cyrax | finally I found a solution - I moved the whole of the archives director to some temp directory. Copied *.deb and partial folder to a newly created archives directory |
| 11:07.42 | cyrax | this solved the problem |
| 11:07.55 | cal | Eulex, can you give me an example of xmessage? |
| 11:07.59 | cyrax | thanks for the channel for the ideas. |
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| 11:08.31 | Eulex | cal, no, I have never used it, I've just heard about it |
| 11:09.01 | liable | zap_: you have nothing in /proc/acpi/thermal? |
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| 11:09.50 | Eulex | zap_, is your computer capable of showing thermal info? |
| 11:11.09 | cal | i have a pine question, i go to compose, i typed in "user002" in the 'TO FIELD', but user002's entire real name did not come out. |
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| 11:15.26 | rabican | hey I installed xboard with apt-get but iot wont find gnuchess and crashes, any ideas? |
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| 11:18.50 | Eulex | rabican, install gnuchess? |
| 11:18.57 | kl1 | hi, anyone knows whats is the most ligth wm? |
| 11:19.05 | GlenneMannen | where can I getinformation on upgrading to kernel 2.6 ? |
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| 11:19.16 | VivekVC | K11:icewm |
| 11:19.28 | Eulex | kl1, "most light"? there are several very light... fluxbox, icewm, wmaker etc |
| 11:19.32 | kl1 | oh ok :) VivekVC |
| 11:19.52 | kl1 | all of them on atp-get? |
| 11:19.59 | drac | GlenneMannen: Information: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 and apt-get install : ) |
| 11:20.08 | Eulex | yes |
| 11:20.14 | kl1 | oh ok :) |
| 11:20.27 | GlenneMannen | drac: I'm using kerne2.4 now is it safe for me to upgrade? |
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| 11:20.30 | kl1 | thanks |
| 11:20.54 | drac | GlenneMannen: Yes, I don't see why not. Installing 2.6 would still leave 2.4 installed in case something goes wrong. |
| 11:20.58 | torrent_masters | dam |
| 11:21.06 | torrent_masters | i dont seem to have a firewall going |
| 11:21.24 | torrent_masters | although i installed iptables but my server is acting like the ports are closed.. |
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| 11:21.34 | kl1 | to configure x again any one knows the command? :/ |
| 11:21.43 | ledet | torrent_masters: and isnt that just fine? |
| 11:21.53 | torrent_masters | i need to open a couple ports ledet |
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| 11:21.59 | VivekVC | kl1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:22.02 | torrent_masters | for torrenting |
| 11:22.16 | kl1 | VivekVC ok :) |
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| 11:22.58 | GlenneMannen | drac: is there someway to see what kernelimage I have installed now? |
| 11:23.03 | torrent_masters | and for instance so i can look at my ntop display |
| 11:23.28 | liable | torrent_masters: dude, if you dont have something listening, then the port is closed. |
| 11:23.42 | drac | GlenneMannen: dpkg --get-selections | grep kernel-image and 'uname -r' |
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| 11:24.37 | torrent_masters | liable i have ntop running and i try to access it from here and its a no go |
| 11:24.47 | torrent_masters | ive never done this part >.< |
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| 11:25.16 | liable | torrent_masters: have you set iptables? or a firewall? |
| 11:25.21 | GlenneMannen | drac: should I install kernel 2.6 or 2.6.8 ? |
| 11:25.44 | drac | GlenneMannen: 2.6 is 2.6.8. |
| 11:25.57 | VivekVC | Talking of window managers, I am not able to use either gnome or kde, i am able to log in using the Debian GNOME login screen, i GNOME i get the back background with the white debian written across and in kde i get the display upto the initilaising network services and it just gones blank no icons displayed. I am using icewm now. What could be wrong ? |
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| 11:26.03 | kl1 | it says no core pointer.. |
| 11:26.04 | liable | torrent_masters: do you want to know what you have open? /J #flood. |
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| 11:26.52 | kl1 | VivekVC it says no core pointer |
| 11:27.03 | kl1 | fatal error |
| 11:27.17 | GlenneMannen | drac: I got: kernel-image-2.6-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on 386. and kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386. |
| 11:27.32 | kl1 | no symbols named US |
| 11:28.10 | drac | GlenneMannen: What I tried to say is if you install 2.6-386 it automatically installs 2.6.8-386. |
| 11:28.17 | drac | GlenneMannen: So they are one and the same. |
| 11:28.22 | GlenneMannen | drac: aha ok thanks |
| 11:29.04 | VivekVC | kl1: I am not sure what is going on with you system, some one else maybe able to guide you here. |
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| 11:29.38 | kl1 | ok |
| 11:29.56 | drac | kl1: Core Pointer? Mouse? PS/2 and USB are both in /dev/input/mice when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. For PS/2 mouse you can do 'modprobe psmouse && modprobe mousedev' and for USB 'modprobe mousedev && modprobe usbhid'. |
| 11:30.18 | GlenneMannen | is there someway I can check whats new and improved in the new kernel? |
| 11:30.20 | debugger | how can I known the package that installed a file? |
| 11:30.51 | liable | debugger: apt-file |
| 11:30.58 | kl1 | drac is a little point in the middle of the keybord, is a toshiba laptop.. |
| 11:30.58 | Eulex | GlenneMannen, the changelog? |
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| 11:31.27 | debugger | liable, humm, I don't have that command. what package contains it? |
| 11:31.40 | Eulex | debugger: apt-file :) |
| 11:31.49 | debugger | oh hehe |
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| 11:31.53 | debugger | thx :) |
| 11:31.56 | Eulex | debugger, dlocate -S file works good for files that are installed |
| 11:32.10 | Eulex | debugger: apt-file also works for files that aren't installed |
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| 11:32.27 | debugger | Eulex, humm, dlocate? from what package? :) |
| 11:33.02 | Eulex | debugger, dlocate :) |
| 11:33.35 | debugger | oh, both of them need perl :/ |
| 11:33.50 | liable | debugger: you should have it. |
| 11:34.29 | debugger | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 11:34.29 | debugger | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.40 | debugger | apt wants to install those 4 :| |
| 11:34.40 | Eulex | debugger, and? |
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| 11:35.01 | metaperl | what do I use to find out which debian release I am using? |
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| 11:35.16 | metaperl | KDE -> Start -> Debian did not appear to have anything relevant |
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| 11:36.24 | hendry | Which package do reconfigure to choose dialog as my UI for reconfiguring packages? |
| 11:36.28 | liable | hmm, thought perl was installed by default. |
| 11:36.29 | debugger | Eulex, I'm perl alergic ;) |
| 11:36.48 | liable | debugger: what distro? |
| 11:37.00 | stid | metaperl: cat /etc/issue |
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| 11:37.11 | metaperl | stid: thanks |
| 11:37.16 | Eulex | debugger, at least you're not gonna program in it yourself |
| 11:37.20 | debugger | liable, debian? |
| 11:37.29 | debugger | liable, you mean, sarge? |
| 11:37.33 | faked | metaperl: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 11:37.51 | debugger | testing/unstable |
| 11:37.57 | Eulex | hendry, debconf |
| 11:37.59 | stid | faked: it seems the same |
| 11:38.03 | metaperl | yes, but it doesnt say sarge, woody, etc |
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| 11:38.17 | debugger | its etch |
| 11:38.21 | metaperl | and !java install uses that terminology |
| 11:38.30 | Eulex | debugger, sources.list? |
| 11:38.34 | stid | metaperl: it should be 'testing/unstable |
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| 11:38.49 | rixth | Okay, probably a stupid question, but should I bother with antivirus with Debian? I know there's only a handful of them, but still. |
| 11:38.57 | kl1 | anyone is using DebianBSD? |
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| 11:39.05 | Eulex | rixth, just for big mail servers |
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| 11:39.11 | debugger | Eulex, deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 11:39.17 | singe | rixth: yes, they aren't hard to manage |
| 11:39.18 | Eulex | debugger, etch |
| 11:39.33 | debugger | Eulex, yup, I said that too :) |
| 11:39.35 | rixth | Eulex: I am running Apache though. |
| 11:39.55 | Eulex | rixth, can't hurt, but I doubt you'll need it... |
| 11:40.03 | debugger | Eulex, oh, you mean I should use "etch" instead of "testing"? |
| 11:40.23 | liable | rixth: good for filtering foe 'teh windoz luzers' :P |
| 11:40.37 | nvz | rixth: security and virus protection isnt just about you. Its about the network and the internet as a whole. if you have windows pcs connecting to you and d/l information, you still have to make sure you arent carrying windows viruses that will infect your network or the internet at large |
| 11:40.40 | Eulex | debugger, eh? I just came into another discussion, so I dunno what it was about |
| 11:41.03 | hendry | Eulex: dialog doesn't seem to work for me atm. I wonder how I can change it to readline or something... |
| 11:41.04 | rixth | liable: heh heh. |
| 11:41.17 | Eulex | nvz: that's wise |
| 11:41.30 | debugger | Eulex, nm then ;) |
| 11:41.31 | Eulex | hendry: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 11:41.44 | rixth | nvz: That's insightful! So Linux checkers also catch Win virii? |
| 11:42.14 | nvz | if you have windows pcs, and someone 0wns them, they now have a network neighbor to sit there and watch and hammer your other boxes with. |
| 11:42.18 | liable | rixth: yes, thats what its for. install clamav |
| 11:42.18 | hendry | Eulex: it just bombs out |
| 11:42.27 | hendry | Eulex: with a blue screen |
| 11:42.28 | debugger | when I do a lsmod, it shows something like 83 modules, even for usb (which I dont have). how can I prevent those modules from loading on startup? |
| 11:42.28 | Eulex | this reminds me of when I ran a virus in wine and it messed up my windows installation :) |
| 11:42.48 | Eulex | hendry, blue screen?? you're not on windows, right? ;) |
| 11:43.01 | Eulex | !tell debugger about blacklist |
| 11:43.27 | rixth | Eulex: Is it 'safe' to run Windows viruses in WINE? (If ou have nothing you care to lose in it?) |
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| 11:43.37 | hendry | Eulex: no. I'm on unstable and I must of upgraded debconf. Now it doesn't work. |
| 11:43.37 | liable | debugger: you dont have usb? but it loads it? |
| 11:43.47 | nvz | man, I still feel like crap. I guess I should eat something. |
| 11:43.52 | Eulex | rixth, nope, not at all... I have real-world experience :) |
| 11:44.11 | liable | debugger: what does lspci say? you must have a usb controller. |
| 11:44.12 | debugger | Eulex, humm thx. |
| 11:44.25 | kl1 | hi, to install firefox is apt-get install firefox? :) |
| 11:44.31 | rixth | Eulex: what actually happened? |
| 11:44.37 | nvz | kl1: mozilla-firefox |
| 11:44.37 | debugger | liable, no, I don't. |
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| 11:44.39 | rixth | kl1, apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 11:44.53 | kl1 | ok thank you :) |
| 11:44.57 | stid | kl1: aptitude search firefox to confirm its name |
| 11:45.06 | liable | debugger: and lspci says so? |
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| 11:45.24 | debugger | liable, it even loads "sis" drivers and all... which i don't have hehe |
| 11:45.29 | Eulex | rixth, it didn't damage linux, however, wine was setup to use system files from my windows partition, and the virus messed up windows |
| 11:45.38 | debugger | liable, no usb controllers. |
| 11:45.54 | liable | debugger: sheesh, funky.. |
| 11:46.04 | trueno | Do I have dma enabled if "hdparm -d1 /dev/hda" fails and "hdparm -i /dev/hda" reports udma4 is the current active mode? |
| 11:46.12 | Eulex | rixth, I guess it's kinda safe if you haven't got windows installed or haven't told wine about it, cos then wine uses it's own simulated windows directory |
| 11:46.36 | rixth | Eulex: I'm 100% Windows free ^_^ |
| 11:46.46 | rixth | Wait, I don't use ^_^... |
| 11:46.48 | liable | trueno: still going on this? google for a hdparm tute. |
| 11:46.53 | rixth | !tell HarleyG about away |
| 11:47.25 | Eulex | rixth: it should be safe for you to run any windows virus in wine... it may do strange things in your simulated windows dir, but that's it |
| 11:47.45 | hendry | Eulex: http://flickr.com/photos/16105436@N00/23229660/ |
| 11:48.13 | rixth | Eulex: I sense it's it's time for fun experimentation! |
| 11:48.23 | liable | debugger: mind posting the output of lspci to flood? |
| 11:48.24 | trueno | liable: yes, I still don't have it clear... Tutorials always point to kernel configs, so I am just confused... |
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| 11:49.06 | liable | trueno: kernel configs? whats that got to do with hdparm? |
| 11:49.21 | debugger | liable, http://pastebin.com/306779 |
| 11:49.27 | Eulex | rixth, though I can't ensure you that it won't damage linux... in my case it didn't |
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| 11:49.49 | trueno | liable: You just can use DMA if you have the propers options enabled in your kernel |
| 11:49.53 | Eulex | rixth, and don't take my word for it |
| 11:49.54 | rixth | Now... Where to find some viruses |
| 11:50.22 | Guerin | liable: you bastard |
| 11:50.25 | Eulex | rixth, I don't wanna have you blaming me if you mess up your system with windows virii |
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| 11:50.42 | caphuso | viruses |
| 11:50.53 | rixth | Eulex: don't worry! I wont |
| 11:50.56 | liable | Guerin: what (innocent face ) |
| 11:51.01 | Eulex | rixth & caphuso: virii |
| 11:51.06 | caphuso | Eulex: viruses |
| 11:51.07 | rixth | caphuso: But I like Latin! |
| 11:51.24 | caphuso | it's wrong in latin too |
| 11:51.38 | caphuso | virii would be the plural of the non-existant word "virius" |
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| 11:51.49 | Eulex | heh |
| 11:52.07 | Phated | Virui? ;) |
| 11:52.33 | debugger | is there a way of disabling mdadm from loading at boot? I could do a ``update-rc.d -f mdadm remove``, but if I needed it someday, how would I add it again? with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 11:52.59 | liable | debugger: hmm, you changed motherboard or something or ..... |
| 11:53.09 | Eulex | hendry: sorry, I have no idea where to find that in the config files... |
| 11:53.39 | metaperl | what can I supply to apt-get to get it to install recommended packages as well? |
| 11:53.46 | caphuso | debugger: with update-rc.d mdadm defaults |
| 11:53.52 | debugger | liable, humm, the detection is not in real time? |
| 11:53.56 | rixth | "Virii describes the combined set of computer viruses, worms and trojans. Loosely this category can be thought of as malware, but some viruses and worms are not malicious, hence they are not malware." |
| 11:53.57 | nvz | that reminds me.. I removed all them damn HP printer drivers, and I apperently still have an init.d script for them starting and stopping when I boot orr shutdown.. need to get rid of it |
| 11:54.05 | liable | debugger: your /etc/modules.conf is prolly the culprit. |
| 11:54.07 | debugger | caphuso, ah, that would read the settings from the package? |
| 11:54.14 | caphuso | debugger: no |
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| 11:54.26 | rixth | "The word "virii" has nothing to do with Latin or the plural of virus." Dammit. |
| 11:54.27 | liable | debugger: have you changed shit, is what I want to know. |
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| 11:54.47 | nvz | !+dict virii |
| 11:54.49 | dpkg | could not find definition for virii |
| 11:55.05 | nvz | !pal rixth |
| 11:55.08 | debugger | caphuso, how does it work then? |
| 11:55.25 | Eulex | rixth, interesting |
| 11:55.25 | debugger | liable, my modules.conf only has "alias" lines :| |
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| 11:55.50 | kl1 | any one use fluxbox? |
| 11:55.51 | caphuso | debugger: how does what work? |
| 11:56.01 | debugger | liable, and none seems to have the word "usb" :| |
| 11:56.06 | liable | debugger: answer the question, have you changed stuff, since the original install? |
| 11:56.08 | caphuso | update-rc.d? it simply does stuff with the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d? |
| 11:56.21 | caphuso | remove or create them, specifically |
| 11:56.21 | Eulex | !tell debugger about blacklist |
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| 11:57.27 | Eulex | hmm, no updates for etch in 3 days... |
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| 11:57.35 | liable | Guerin: what? did they loose :P |
| 11:58.05 | debugger | caphuso, yes. suppose the package that installed mdadmn installed it to rc0 and rc1, then I remove it with rc-update; then later I want to restore the config, so I use rc-update with the " defaults " args, but doesn't that add the script to all levels? |
| 11:58.17 | torrent_masters | arg |
| 11:58.35 | caphuso | debugger: to those which update-rc.d (not rc-update) considers to be "default" |
| 11:58.48 | debugger | caphuso, or will it known that mdadmn was only installed (by the package) at rc0 and rc1? |
| 11:58.57 | Eulex | debugger, oh, mdadmn ain't loaded by hotplug/discover? |
| 11:59.00 | debugger | caphuso, yes, sorry. update-rc. |
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| 11:59.38 | caphuso | debugger: uh, mdadm isn't only in rc0.d and rc1.d |
| 11:59.57 | Eulex | aaaagh!!!! not my firewall!! not!! my precious!!!! precioussssssss.... |
| 11:59.59 | debugger | caphuso, that was what I understood too, so before I remove the scripts from boot I have to record in which runlevel they where started and stoped, which is a PIA :( |
| 12:00.07 | debugger | caphuso, yes, it was just an example :) |
| 12:00.47 | caphuso | debugger: you should learn how that runlevel stuff works |
| 12:01.03 | torrent_masters | it just seems so incomprehensable atm to me :/ |
| 12:01.16 | caphuso | then you don't need to remember, you'll just which configurations make sense and which don't |
| 12:01.35 | debugger | caphuso, I known how it works. I'm not sure how the rc.update.d defaults would do what I want! :) |
| 12:01.52 | caphuso | plus, if you are really going to use "update-rc.d -f mdadm remove", they symlinks will be reinstalled anyways when the package upgrades next time |
| 12:02.33 | torrent_masters | ok lets try again fresh |
| 12:02.47 | debugger | caphuso, oh... isn't there a way of stoping that behaviour? I better uninstall mdadm then? hehe |
| 12:03.03 | torrent_masters | how about yet another tool to monitor bandwidth usage of the moment and total usage to date. preferably one with graphs |
| 12:03.53 | petemc | torrent_masters: ipac-ng , ipacsum can output pngs etc |
| 12:04.14 | caphuso | debugger: yes, there is |
| 12:04.33 | debugger | caphuso, what is the way? :)) |
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| 12:05.07 | caphuso | debugger: the one mentioned in the man page, rather surprisingly |
| 12:05.10 | Eulex | debugger: I like to just add 'exit 0' to one of the first lines of a file in /etc/init.d ... but I dunno if it's clean and correct |
| 12:05.33 | caphuso | Eulex: it's silly. that way you can't even use it manually |
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| 12:06.06 | Eulex | caphuso, yep. how to do it correctly? |
| 12:06.17 | nvz | Eulex: remove the symlinks |
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| 12:06.31 | Eulex | nvz: yeah |
| 12:06.31 | caphuso | Eulex: by removing the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ you don't want |
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| 12:07.18 | aryix | hello i hava a possible bug in gpdf package |
| 12:07.19 | debugger | caphuso, sorry? where in the page does it say it? :| |
| 12:07.29 | debugger | err the man page. |
| 12:07.42 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 12:07.43 | caphuso | If any files /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]??name already exist then update- rc.d does nothing. This is so that the system administrator can rearrange the links, provided that they leave at least one link remaining, without having their configuration overwritten. |
| 12:07.47 | Eulex | aryix, yeah? |
| 12:07.49 | nvz | I have a possible stomach virus.. :P I feel like crap |
| 12:07.53 | coercion | liable i've tried it all |
| 12:08.08 | coercion | i think xf86 the version for debian doesnt support my vid card |
| 12:08.15 | aryix | Eulex, (gpdf:17373): Gtk-WARNING **: No se pudo encontrar el icono gnome-fs-regular. el tema hicolor |
| 12:08.16 | aryix | no se encontr o quiz necesite instalarlo. |
| 12:08.16 | aryix | Puede obtener una copia desde: |
| 12:08.16 | aryix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:08.27 | Eulex | nvz: trojan? worm? maybe you need to install clamav? ;) |
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| 12:08.35 | liable | coercion: :( theres gotta be the right config there somewhere. |
| 12:08.44 | netman1 | torrent_masters: gnome-applets, multiload-applet |
| 12:08.46 | aryix | sorry for the flood |
| 12:08.55 | nvz | aryix: do not paste in here, and if your system is in spanish or portuguese, you need to try a different channel. this is english only |
| 12:09.03 | coercion | nope |
| 12:09.12 | nvz | aryix: debian-es |
| 12:09.19 | nvz | er #debian-es perhaps |
| 12:09.19 | coercion | i think it's just unsupported |
| 12:09.21 | Eulex | coercion, vesa is generic, it hasn't got anything to do with your vid card |
| 12:09.32 | aryix | nvz, my gpdf is crashing anyway....... |
| 12:09.37 | coercion | well in that case what mightst it be |
| 12:09.37 | coercion | (II) TRIDENT(0): Not using default mode "320x175" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) |
| 12:09.37 | coercion | (II) TRIDENT(0): Not using default mode "320x200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) |
| 12:09.37 | coercion | (II) TRIDENT(0): Not using default mode "360x200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) |
| 12:09.37 | coercion | (II) TRIDENT(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) |
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| 12:09.41 | liable | coercion: whats the card? |
| 12:09.45 | Eulex | haha |
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| 12:09.51 | coercion | it's full of those |
| 12:09.56 | liable | coercion: dont do that. |
| 12:09.56 | nvz | aryix: and the error message is not in english. so go ask another channel that speaks that language |
| 12:10.00 | coercion | sry |
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| 12:10.20 | Eulex | coercion, oh, you're trying to use the native driver for your vid card? |
| 12:10.28 | coercion | yeah |
| 12:10.43 | coercion | cuz with vesa it displays all garbled |
| 12:10.45 | Eulex | coercion, google for linux and your vid card... model and manufacturer |
| 12:11.10 | aryix | i'm asked in debian-es, but not reply and/or help in this place :( |
| 12:11.14 | nvz | I need to install something healthy.. the fruity pebbles didnt seem to change the situation at all |
| 12:11.23 | liable | coercion: what is it? |
| 12:11.33 | nvz | aryix: what debian version are you using? |
| 12:11.35 | Eulex | coercion, vesa should work ok, else it may be a hardware problem, or config problem |
| 12:11.50 | Eulex | aryix, do LANG=C gpdf |
| 12:11.51 | aryix | nvz, sarge stable, installed from zero |
| 12:11.58 | nvz | from zero? |
| 12:11.59 | valdyn | coercion: those lines you pasted are neither errors nor unusual. |
| 12:12.17 | aryix | nvz, i not english speaker, sorry |
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| 12:13.25 | Dak | how can I conf the sound server in a debian distro? I'm using kde |
| 12:13.37 | Eulex | Dak, "the" sound server? |
| 12:13.37 | valdyn | Dak: in the kde control panel |
| 12:13.39 | aryix | (gpdf:17401): Gtk-WARNING **: Could not find the icon 'gnome-fs-regular |
| 12:13.51 | nvz | aryix: I know what the message said |
| 12:13.51 | Guerin | liable: nope. 49-18; it was a killing |
| 12:14.02 | Guerin | liable: but you were too late, anyway :) |
| 12:14.03 | nvz | aryix: its a Gtk-Warning and is not imporant |
| 12:14.06 | Dak | sorry, I'm from Italy+ |
| 12:14.26 | liable | Guerin: heh, was just fucking with ya anyways, :P |
| 12:14.28 | nvz | aryix: its complaining about you GTK theme. its not a fatal error |
| 12:14.41 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 12:14.41 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software throws warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informational output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 12:14.42 | aryix | The 'hicolor' theme was not found either, perhaps you need to install it. |
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| 12:15.13 | aryix | nvz, ok,is only a warning, but my gpdf is crashing |
| 12:15.24 | shuning | hrm, any reason why apach2 in unstable keeps using /usr/lib as document root when DocumentRoot directive is set and / is Alias'd somewhere else? |
| 12:15.26 | nvz | I am not completly ignorant I've studied Latin, German, Italian, French, and Spanish at one point in my life.. I like to think I can understand most things |
| 12:15.29 | valdyn | aryix: your gpdf crashing has nothing to do with a warning. |
| 12:16.06 | Dak | I tryed to use the KDE control panel..without success. Can I manually edit any conf files? |
| 12:16.14 | nvz | aryix: you will need to dig deeper, possibly check the bts to see if its a known issue, and if not you may have to strace or something and file a bug |
| 12:16.19 | aryix | valdyn, not show any pdf file |
| 12:16.57 | valdyn | aryix: i understand, still a warning is useless to find or fix the error. |
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| 12:17.45 | nvz | if the program is crashing due to a GTK warning that the theme is not valid you really need to file a bug :P but first you have to check the bts, and strace |
| 12:17.53 | Guerin | aryix: strace and see where it dies |
| 12:18.01 | aryix | valdyn, how to test this package, using mtrace and strace? |
| 12:18.21 | valdyn | aryix: 'strace gpdf' |
| 12:18.29 | nvz | aryix: from an X-Terminal-Emulator run strace gpdf |
| 12:18.30 | Guerin | aryix: strace gpdf /path/to/your/pdf |
| 12:18.39 | Dak | Which files have I to configure to set up sound server? |
| 12:18.41 | aryix | valdyn, ok, hmm is a very large output..... |
| 12:18.44 | Guerin | there will be a shitload of output |
| 12:18.56 | valdyn | aryix: the error should be at the end when it crashes. |
| 12:18.59 | Guerin | just the last bit, where it dies, is what's typically relevant |
| 12:19.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:19.05 | nvz | aryix: you are mostly looking for the tail end. what signals it catches or sends before it dies |
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| 12:20.12 | coercion | is there a way to redownload/reinstall packages |
| 12:20.21 | valdyn | coercion: why? |
| 12:20.30 | valdyn | coercion: 'man apt-get' |
| 12:20.57 | coercion | accidentally deleted some drivers |
| 12:21.01 | coercion | well more like replaced |
| 12:21.03 | coercion | but didnt backup |
| 12:21.04 | coercion | ;\ |
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| 12:27.43 | Dephekt | when i install debian, why is my date completely wrong. no matter what i do. it is always 1 month slow. the time is right tho |
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| 12:28.07 | valdyn | !date |
| 12:28.07 | dpkg | The current date is Sun Jul 3 12:28:07 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 12:28.11 | valdyn | !time |
| 12:28.11 | dpkg | [time] found on http://www.time.com/, or Sun Jul 3 12:28:11 2005 |
| 12:28.34 | Dephekt | my box thinks its 3 is june |
| 12:28.37 | Dephekt | of* |
| 12:28.46 | valdyn | !tell Dephekt about set time |
| 12:29.28 | Dephekt | thanks. ill reinstall debian and try to apt-get it then |
| 12:29.53 | liable | shit, I need a wife. I just burnt baked beans. :( |
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| 12:30.30 | Guerin | liable: s/w/l/ |
| 12:30.51 | Eulex | Dephekt, reinstall your system to change the date????? |
| 12:30.58 | liable | Guerin: no, that has nothing to do with it. |
| 12:30.58 | POVaddct | liable: you need a tea timer script :) |
| 12:31.11 | Guerin | Dephekt: wtf. man date. man hwclock. man ntpdate. |
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| 12:31.22 | liable | well, I thought I had time for a shower... |
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| 12:34.08 | jim | Dephekt: reinstall? were you going to do that anyway? |
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| 12:34.26 | jim | try installing ntpdate or ntp-simple |
| 12:34.53 | jim | reinstall just to fix this? you don't need to |
| 12:35.10 | liable | yes, reboot, then if that doesnt work,.. re-install... always wokz |
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| 12:35.15 | liable | workz |
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| 12:35.25 | jim | liable: it's only June 3rd... you have plenty of time! |
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| 12:35.44 | liable | jim: for.....? |
| 12:36.01 | jim | showering or whatever :) |
| 12:36.28 | liable | ah, no, i miscalculated there :( |
| 12:36.29 | jim | (see: dephect) |
| 12:36.42 | Dephekt | i was gonna reinstall anyway |
| 12:36.52 | Guerin | Dephekt: why? |
| 12:37.11 | liable | its a learning experience? |
| 12:37.12 | donny | it's how problems are solved in winblows |
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| 12:37.32 | schrankwand | where can i download libmp3lame? is that included here http://lame.sourceforge.net/download/download.html? |
| 12:37.33 | Dephekt | im gonna have nat tables running and its just easier then redoing everything on how its set up now |
| 12:37.43 | Dephekt | it has psybnc, ircd, ftp, http and all that stuff running |
| 12:37.49 | Dephekt | i just want it to do nat tables from now on |
| 12:38.04 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 12:38.04 | dpkg | from memory, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 12:38.29 | Guerin | !lame |
| 12:38.29 | dpkg | [lame] : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 12:38.31 | liable | Dephekt: wtf? |
| 12:38.39 | jim | Dephekt: there's a package called ipmasq that creates a nat for you (once you set up your interfaces) |
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| 12:39.05 | liable | Dephekt: shorewall |
| 12:39.35 | donny | hmm, i've heard of smoothwall, what's shorewall? |
| 12:39.44 | liable | tarzeau: ?? |
| 12:39.53 | Guerin | Dephekt: iptablesifier |
| 12:39.56 | Guerin | bah |
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| 12:39.58 | Guerin | donny: ^^^^ |
| 12:40.09 | donny | just googlin it |
| 12:40.10 | liable | donny: its a bit closer to the baech |
| 12:40.16 | donny | hehe |
| 12:40.52 | liable | shit, I hate it when I try and be a smartass, and make a spelling mistake. :( |
| 12:40.53 | tarzeau | liable: i just checked the url |
| 12:40.54 | donny | nice! good nfo to know for building a firewall box |
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| 12:42.52 | liable | heh, deadcat, still has potty mouth, gotta be a record. :P |
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| 12:48.20 | cyc | I have a problem - I cannot find clamav for sarge amd-64 ... I only have an outdated 0.84-2 ... does anyone know where could I get a newer version? |
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| 12:49.38 | jim | !info clamav |
| 12:49.40 | dpkg | clamav: (antivirus scanner for Unix), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.86.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 12:50.07 | cyc | yes, I had 0.86 on debian woody :-\ |
| 12:50.09 | jim | looks like it's in sid... you could get the source and build it for sarge |
| 12:50.47 | Guerin | cyc: what's the latest upstream? |
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| 12:51.10 | cyc | Guerin latest upstream? what do you mean? |
| 12:51.24 | Guerin | cyc: upstream = the people who actually make the software |
| 12:51.36 | Guerin | as opposed to debian, who patch, build and package it |
| 12:51.44 | cyc | aha, I get it |
| 12:51.45 | cyc | let me check |
| 12:51.58 | metaur | 0.86? |
| 12:52.03 | cyc | 0,81.1 |
| 12:52.08 | cyc | eh ... 0.86.1 |
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| 12:52.19 | jim | so the sid version is the latest |
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| 12:53.38 | cyc | http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-volatile/ <-- here should be packages ... |
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| 12:53.58 | Guerin | cyc: if/when they get built |
| 12:54.18 | cyc | but where are they "hidden" - I only see Contents-?.gz |
| 12:54.59 | joeytwiddle | TeamSpeak (non-free) segfaults :/ |
| 12:55.16 | Eulex | cyc, check the pool |
| 12:55.16 | liable | bugger..... |
| 12:55.40 | Guerin | joeytwiddle: possibly libc related, possibly just shit code. |
| 12:55.57 | tarzeau | !seen streuner |
| 12:55.57 | dpkg | streuner <foobar@p54A5D3EB.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4h 28m 33s ago, saying: 'ikslaw0k: /msg dpkg search'. |
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| 12:56.16 | Eulex | cyc, and there are amd64 debs for 0.86.1 :) |
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| 12:56.18 | Dak | I cannot mount my Windows partitions! I edited fstab as written in /msg dpkg vfatrw, but, when I try to view the content of partitions a msg tells me that "only root can mount /dev/hda1 on /mnt/winc"... |
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| 12:56.40 | Eulex | cyc: http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-volatile/pool/volatile/main/c/ |
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| 12:56.47 | cyc | Eulex pool? :S |
| 12:56.55 | jim | Dak: try df |
| 12:57.02 | Eulex | cyc, the pool directory |
| 12:57.03 | Dak | what is df |
| 12:57.09 | jim | man df and see |
| 12:57.20 | Dak | thanks |
| 12:57.20 | cyc | ah! I was searching in dist :| |
| 12:57.27 | metaur | It shows much space in free in various partitions. |
| 12:57.28 | coercion | oh mah gawdse, i finally after hours of googling found someone else's xf86 cfg and it works |
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| 12:57.30 | Eulex | cyc, delve into the pool... but watch out so you don't get wet ;P |
| 12:57.30 | jim | you have to expend at least a little effort :P |
| 12:57.32 | cyc | nice:> thanks |
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| 12:57.48 | coercion | thx for all your help guys you've been awesome |
| 12:57.51 | coercion | :_) |
| 12:57.56 | joeytwiddle | thanks Guerin, I'll get it working one day... |
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| 12:58.07 | Granden | When I visit pages with many pictures they take longer to load in debian withFireFox then in windows with firefox any idea why? |
| 12:58.25 | Eulex | coercion, yeah, we can't help with things that are specific to your hardware, when that hardware ain't that common... |
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| 12:58.48 | jim | coercion: it's because you must have been equally awesome in coming up with your questions, giving info early, telling history of problem, that kinda stuff |
| 12:58.52 | liable | coercion: hah, so it was config :P |
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| 12:58.57 | Dak | ok, my windows part are not mounted at the moment. |
| 12:59.02 | joeytwiddle | so many people use yukky WebForums these days. Anyone know a WebForum to newsgroup bridge?! |
| 12:59.19 | coercion | lol liable that it was, but ur answer to my questions didnt help much either, couldnt really have done it thru the xf86 config |
| 12:59.20 | Dak | so, when I do df that partitions are not listed |
| 12:59.33 | liable | coercion: what was it? |
| 12:59.33 | coercion | but it's all good |
| 12:59.37 | coercion | i have no idea |
| 12:59.39 | coercion | i still dont know |
| 12:59.39 | metaur | Dak: mount it? |
| 12:59.52 | liable | coercion: do you still have your old one? |
| 12:59.57 | xoz | Dak: have you specified user in the fstab option? |
| 12:59.59 | coercion | cfg file? |
| 13:00.03 | liable | yes |
| 13:00.06 | Dak | I try as normal user without success. I have to become root to do this |
| 13:00.07 | drasko | hi all. I whan to split one big mpeg file into two smaller sop they can fit on two cds. How to do this? |
| 13:00.11 | Dak | yes |
| 13:00.15 | jim | Dak: so... df seems to be an informational command |
| 13:00.21 | jim | a reporter |
| 13:00.35 | Eulex | drasko, split? |
| 13:00.39 | coercion | yeah i can see the differences, in the new cfg the user has Option "linear" and Option "noaccel" |
| 13:00.44 | Dak | in fstab I set gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 13:00.49 | coercion | as well as having all the diff resolutions defined with mad options and tweaks |
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| 13:00.57 | coercion | to be honest theres no way i couldve done all that |
| 13:01.12 | jim | Dak: looks like you would have to mount as root then |
| 13:01.12 | liable | coercion: hrm |
| 13:01.20 | zap_ | liable: lm_sensors works fine |
| 13:01.20 | tarzeau | which friends of me also understand german in here? |
| 13:01.21 | drasko | Eulex - yes, get two mpegs out of one, spili one in two... |
| 13:01.33 | coercion | yeah i'm gonna edit this cfg and see if the trident driver works instead of vesa now |
| 13:01.38 | liable | zap_: cool :) |
| 13:01.40 | paulswm | tarzeau: Nein |
| 13:01.47 | tarzeau | paulswm: you do, right? http://www.cafepress.com/lugag |
| 13:01.49 | Dak | Yes, but I'd like to be able to mount that partitions as normal user... |
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| 13:01.53 | liable | !irritate paulswm |
| 13:01.54 | dpkg | paulswm: wenas how can I make my lindows werkz !!!! |
| 13:01.58 | paulswm | tarzeau: No I don't! |
| 13:02.07 | tarzeau | paulswm: i've made ubuntu t-shirts, i can translate and make english ones too |
| 13:02.09 | zap_ | liable: it's nice that it works out of the box without patching (as in 2.4) |
| 13:02.12 | xoz | Dak: add user option |
| 13:02.15 | paulswm | !singlishsmite liable |
| 13:02.16 | dpkg | liable: Ah, shaddup lah. You all fart and no shit only. |
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| 13:02.27 | Eulex | drasko, split will split, but they won't be playable |
| 13:02.34 | industrialNet | padang |
| 13:02.37 | takatumi | tarzeau: gave up on GNUStep? :P |
| 13:02.42 | xoz | drasko: mpgtx has mpgsplit |
| 13:02.48 | tarzeau | takatumi: of course not. but do you know what they read? |
| 13:03.00 | liable | paulswm: gah, i'd give ya one back, but, bot abuse .... :P |
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| 13:03.07 | tarzeau | takatumi: GNUstep continues. |
| 13:03.26 | paulswm | liable: Surely no botcops on a Sunday |
| 13:03.27 | takatumi | tarzeau: on which one? the ubuntu one? ;) |
| 13:03.42 | liable | !aussiesmite paulswm |
| 13:03.43 | dpkg | paulswm: yeahh bob's your uncle you stupid wanker |
| 13:03.45 | drasko | xoz, I will try it.. |
| 13:03.48 | Eulex | tarzeau, Ich kann ein wenich deutsch sprechen und verstanden |
| 13:03.52 | Gnea | paulswm: what's sunday got to do with it? |
| 13:04.03 | tarzeau | Eulex: nice, any comments? |
| 13:04.14 | xoz | drasko: and try mount it inside your home dir for testing. |
| 13:04.30 | liable | Gnea: sunday is sunday is sunday..... |
| 13:04.34 | Eulex | tarzeau, hehe |
| 13:04.37 | Dak | I mounted /dev/hda1 (win partition) on /mnt/winc as root. But when I try to view the content of that part as normal user...this is the msg: "You cannot enter he folder /mnt/winc" !!! |
| 13:04.39 | liable | Gnea: does that make sense? |
| 13:04.39 | xoz | drasko: ignore... |
| 13:04.53 | Eulex | tarzeau, I want one of those :) |
| 13:04.57 | tarzeau | Eulex: order one ;) |
| 13:05.04 | Gnea | it's a day with sun |
| 13:05.09 | liable | no |
| 13:05.12 | paulswm | Gnea: well I would have thought that given all the other nonsense which generally happens on Sundays, counting two consecitive calls to dpkg from liable seems pretty low on the priority list |
| 13:05.12 | Eulex | hehe |
| 13:05.12 | Gnea | so be dun with your say |
| 13:05.13 | Gnea | :) |
| 13:05.27 | liable | Gnea: I was hoping you could tell me :P |
| 13:05.31 | xoz | Dak: try using the dir inside your homedir in the fstab and mount it as ordinary user... like mount /dev/<drive> |
| 13:05.33 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 13:05.58 | Granden | When I visit pages with many pictures they take longer to load in debian withFireFox then in windows with firefox any idea why? |
| 13:06.14 | Gnea | i dunno man, i just want to find some kinda debian that'll boot off of a usb drive |
| 13:06.24 | liable | paulswm: been a relitavely sane sunday today. :) |
| 13:06.29 | Dak | I don't uderstand...could you explain me this? (my english is not so good....) |
| 13:06.50 | takatumi | Granden: only the ones with images? |
| 13:07.00 | Dak | ah, now I understand... |
| 13:07.06 | liable | paulswm: but, its not am sunday yet I spose. |
| 13:07.22 | Gnea | liable: it is here |
| 13:07.22 | Granden | mostly yes cause the other sites arent that big |
| 13:07.27 | Granden | its when its much to load |
| 13:07.31 | liable | Gnea: us? |
| 13:07.43 | Gnea | liable: yeah, supposedly we're independent... |
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| 13:07.56 | liable | oh, really? |
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| 13:08.37 | Gnea | that's what tomorrow's all about :) |
| 13:08.45 | takatumi | Granden: did you test your bandwidth? is it different than in windows or is it just firefox? |
| 13:08.57 | liable | no, tommorow is work day :( |
| 13:09.01 | Granden | I dont know |
| 13:09.16 | Granden | Im not running any server in any of them |
| 13:09.24 | Granden | so the abndwith should be the same guess |
| 13:09.33 | Granden | I even use the same apps xchat and firefox |
| 13:09.43 | Granden | nothing more in any of them windows or debian |
| 13:09.50 | xoz | Granden: it has many factors because you are comparing two different OS and firefox is compiled in different compiler etc... |
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| 13:10.07 | Granden | yeah I know |
| 13:10.22 | Granden | but still |
| 13:10.23 | liable | shouldnt be an issue really. |
| 13:10.27 | xoz | Granden: what do you expect here? guess the answer? |
| 13:10.38 | Granden | shouldnt take me about 20 seconds to laod somehting that in windows loads on 1second |
| 13:10.46 | xoz | you know there is no way to know? or bug firefox people |
| 13:10.54 | Granden | maybe someone who have any idea on what I can change |
| 13:10.54 | liable | Granden: no, it shouldnt. |
| 13:11.01 | Dak | I tryed, but the result is not changed... |
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| 13:11.21 | Dak | I wont be able to mount my win partitions... |
| 13:11.21 | liable | Granden: you have dial-up? |
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| 13:11.22 | xoz | Granden: have you tried other sites? it might be some scripts |
| 13:11.23 | Granden | can I check my bw in linux someway |
| 13:11.31 | Granden | to see if there is something that is using very mcuh |
| 13:11.41 | Granden | yeah every site where its much to load |
| 13:11.47 | liable | Granden: you have dial-up? |
| 13:11.53 | Granden | adsl2+ |
| 13:12.14 | edwin_gurde | have a question: I want to write a Linux app for a contest, what is the app you miss the most? what is the improvement you most need to an existing app? |
| 13:12.14 | liable | Granden: what speed? |
| 13:12.18 | takatumi | Granden: download something big, try iptraf, nload etc. |
| 13:12.21 | Granden | 24Mbit down and 1Mbit up |
| 13:12.46 | liable | Granden: and it takes 20 secs to load a page? |
| 13:12.47 | Granden | iptraf that is that |
| 13:13.01 | Granden | liable yeah when its some picures on it |
| 13:13.13 | liable | thats wrong.... |
| 13:13.13 | takatumi | !zippyfox |
| 13:13.13 | dpkg | it has been said that zippyfox is tweak away for some zip. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299854/posts |
| 13:13.44 | liable | Granden: no proxy or anything silly? |
| 13:14.03 | Granden | iptraf wasnt big |
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| 13:14.07 | Granden | only 758 kb |
| 13:14.20 | phx_ | edwin_gurde, What kind of contest? |
| 13:14.22 | Granden | It was complete the same second I wrote apt-get install iptraf |
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| 13:14.46 | Granden | brb |
| 13:14.53 | takatumi | Granden: if it's just firefox try the link above. |
| 13:15.06 | Granden | I havent tried any other |
| 13:15.08 | Granden | browser |
| 13:15.21 | Granden | I dont know any else fore linux |
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| 13:15.28 | Granden | that have tabbed browsing |
| 13:16.01 | takatumi | Granden: galeon, epiphany, konqueror etc. are available but they come with a lot of excess baggage. |
| 13:16.03 | drac | Konqueror, Opera.. |
| 13:16.49 | edwin_gurde | phx_:Best Linux Application 2005, held by IBM |
| 13:16.57 | takatumi | Granden: try running iptraf now that you got it. |
| 13:17.04 | bluefox83 | opera sucks |
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| 13:17.09 | phx_ | edwin_gurde, Wahoooo |
| 13:17.24 | edwin_gurde | phx_:there are so many possibilities |
| 13:17.31 | edwin_gurde | phx_:I'm gathering ideas now |
| 13:17.41 | edwin_gurde | phx_:just ran out of my own ones :D |
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| 13:18.05 | phx_ | :) |
| 13:18.17 | edwin_gurde | phx_:any ideas? |
| 13:18.29 | phx_ | Hummmm, not yet! |
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| 13:19.10 | edwin_gurde | maybe there is something that really needs to be done, but nobody has taken the time to do it |
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| 13:19.37 | edwin_gurde | something that can be done in 2-3 months |
| 13:19.54 | phx_ | are you alone to do this? |
| 13:20.09 | edwin_gurde | phx_:yes, no teams allowed |
| 13:20.13 | phx_ | ok |
| 13:20.33 | edwin_gurde | phx_:but I can improve on other open-source projects |
| 13:20.42 | edwin_gurde | and my app will be opensource too |
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| 13:21.40 | takatumi | edwin_gurde: video editing? |
| 13:21.57 | phx_ | it already exist! |
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| 13:22.08 | liable | 's |
| 13:22.10 | edwin_gurde | phx_:what's its name then? |
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| 13:22.13 | takatumi | all of them suck. (I heard) |
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| 13:22.32 | phx_ | takatumi, yes :) |
| 13:22.45 | takatumi | so improve one of them. |
| 13:22.59 | edwin_gurde | give me a few names |
| 13:23.12 | phx_ | edwin_gurde, An Adobe Premiere for Linux :) |
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| 13:23.28 | liable | jhon, michael, fred, george.... |
| 13:23.30 | edwin_gurde | phx_:2 months man... |
| 13:23.36 | phx_ | :D |
| 13:23.39 | edwin_gurde | i meant video editing software |
| 13:23.46 | kaol | edwin_gurde: how about a tool to manage QoS? |
| 13:23.48 | liable | oh |
| 13:23.59 | edwin_gurde | noted |
| 13:24.03 | phx_ | kaol: Good idea! |
| 13:24.28 | liquid_ | hi, I have a small problem: Mem: 2076860k total but that's not 2Gig. The server has 2G ddr400 reg ram. The kernel I'm using with sarge is: 2.6.8-2-k7 on a AMD Opteron 146 |
| 13:24.48 | liquid_ | Mem: 2076860k = 1,96GB |
| 13:24.51 | rosemary | I've got knoppix 3.7 on a third machine, and thinking of trying debian. I get confused about the stable and unstable versions. Which debian is best for a newcomer to debian. I did get knoppix 3.7 installed to HD with some hints from aperson who uses it. |
| 13:25.23 | rosemary | I'm also pretty knew to linux in general - using mandriva 6 months |
| 13:25.39 | liquid_ | knew? |
| 13:25.43 | liquid_ | or new? |
| 13:25.58 | liquid_ | isn't mandirva MS Windows Linux or something? |
| 13:26.13 | liquid_ | mandriva even |
| 13:26.19 | liable | what? |
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| 13:27.03 | rosemary | *new* to linux |
| 13:27.06 | js_ | liable: mandriva is mandrake and connectiva |
| 13:27.11 | edwin_gurde | rosemary:you miss ~20Mb, thats how much I miss too, I guess its the kernel's size |
| 13:27.13 | liable | rosemary: debian 3.1 (sarge) |
| 13:27.18 | liable | js_: yes. |
| 13:27.25 | far | Hello, even after using --purge and then apt-get install --reinstall package, the original configuration files don't get installed. What can I do ? |
| 13:27.27 | js_ | liable: oops, i mean liquid_ |
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| 13:28.09 | liable | rosemary: its the stable release (just released.) |
| 13:28.17 | rosemary | edwin_gurde: miss 2oMb packages? oh I see kernel |
| 13:28.31 | edwin_gurde | rosemary:memory |
| 13:28.49 | edwin_gurde | free shows I have:354248 memory |
| 13:29.11 | edwin_gurde | should be 284 |
| 13:29.14 | edwin_gurde | sry |
| 13:29.16 | edwin_gurde | 384Mb |
| 13:29.18 | rosemary | liable how easy is it to install, and would it go on olde specs - i.e. P III, 500Mhz CPU, 5Gb HD, 256 RAM |
| 13:29.34 | cmug | is anyone running sarge + libdvdcss2? |
| 13:29.54 | liable | rosemary: pretty easy, ncurses based, should be ok on that machine. |
| 13:30.12 | edwin_gurde | rosemary: if I remember right my initial install was 2GB, mut I'm currently at 7.3 GB... |
| 13:30.38 | edwin_gurde | rosemary:I managed to install on a machine with 200Mb harddrive |
| 13:31.07 | rosemary | liable: and edwin_gurde - want to compare the two, and try to make a decision of which way to go for the future |
| 13:31.13 | edwin_gurde | actually you need minimum 256Mb, but I made an install of 256 megs on a different part, and then deleted what I didn't need, and resized it |
| 13:31.33 | edwin_gurde | rosemary:debian advantages: |
| 13:31.36 | rosemary | edwin_gurde: wow - I could try it on the 266 CPU maybe? |
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| 13:31.40 | liable | rosemary: debian, without a doubt, try getting support in #knoppix :) |
| 13:31.47 | edwin_gurde | 1. you have a stable version |
| 13:32.03 | edwin_gurde | 2. if you want you can go with testing or unstable versions and be always up-to-date |
| 13:32.07 | rosemary | liable: no-one ever answers me in #knoppix |
| 13:32.20 | edwin_gurde | rosemary: I tried it on a 200Mhz Pentium MMX |
| 13:32.27 | cmug | no-one ever answers me here |
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| 13:32.57 | liable | rosemary: correct, its a live distro, and not much more. (really good rescue cd though) |
| 13:32.59 | edwin_gurde | 3. in debian you have apt for package management which is way better than rpm in my opinion |
| 13:33.11 | rosemary | edwin_gurde: I've heard it is very stable and goes for years, and that apt-get is a better package management system |
| 13:33.11 | caphuso | edwin_gurde: you can't compare apt to rpm |
| 13:33.14 | liable | cmug: awww |
| 13:33.16 | edwin_gurde | ok |
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| 13:33.38 | rosemary | liable: yes I've used it to trouble shoot (with help) :-) |
| 13:33.47 | cmug | am i the only one wanting to use sarge on a multimedia desktop? |
| 13:33.52 | caphuso | and you can get apt for rpm based distros too, so that's hardly a reason to use debian |
| 13:34.00 | cmug | with encrypted dvd support and stuff |
| 13:34.10 | caphuso | !tell cmug -about ask |
| 13:34.24 | cmihai | I wonder why uemacs (microemacs) isn't packged... |
| 13:34.27 | debwriter | My text file is a list of ip numbers but I have to remove doubles how do I do that? |
| 13:34.37 | caphuso | debwriter: sort -u |
| 13:34.40 | cmug | caphuso, read the scrollback.. i asked if anyone is running libdvdcss2 |
| 13:34.51 | liable | cmug: what do you mean? you cant watch dvd's? cant rip them? |
| 13:34.58 | cmug | cant watch, cant rip |
| 13:35.12 | edwin_gurde | cmug: encrypted dvd's? |
| 13:35.14 | cmug | needs libdvdcss2. following videolan.org's guides doenst help |
| 13:35.15 | valdyn | !tell cmug about marillat |
| 13:35.17 | caphuso | cmug: exactly. that's why i made dpkg tell you about "ask" |
| 13:35.31 | cmug | valdyn, cheers |
| 13:35.34 | caphuso | it's a stupid question |
| 13:36.11 | debwriter | sort -u is great ! |
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| 13:36.21 | xzgv | rosemary: i got sarge on a PII 266 128 MB RAM, i did it with the net-installer, minimal installation and then added icewm and the rest: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9271 |
| 13:36.25 | cmug | caphuso, ok, ill be more specific next time |
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| 13:37.23 | cmihai | what the hell, uemacs is ng now ?! |
| 13:37.25 | liable | xine can read dvd's no? |
| 13:37.26 | xzgv | rosemary: with firefox, thunderbird, xfe, OOo, total= 800 MB |
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| 13:37.40 | rosemary | xzgv: okay I'll take a look thanks. My plan is to install and run it on a network for a bit so I can see which I prefer. If I really like it and can manage it I'll put it on main compuater |
| 13:37.51 | cmug | liable, it needs the library |
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| 13:38.07 | rosemary | xzgv: yeah - got to have firefox and thunderbird |
| 13:38.40 | rosemary | xzgv: doesn't OOo come with it? |
| 13:38.55 | xzgv | rosemary, the article explains everything, the installer partitions everything according to what you got automatically |
| 13:39.09 | rosemary | xzgv: oh I see that's your setup, basically all I wan to too |
| 13:39.21 | rosemary | going there now xzgv |
| 13:39.31 | liable | rosemary: you can download just about anything you want, no problem. |
| 13:39.37 | xzgv | good luck |
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| 13:40.28 | rosemary | I have had some issues with urpmi - that's why I want to look at different package manager |
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| 13:41.35 | nyterukh | morning |
| 13:43.00 | xzgv | rosemary, the article explains how to use apt-get. After the minimal install, you use it to download the apps you want, read the articlee |
| 13:43.47 | rosemary | xzgv: article looks good at first glance - thanks. I do like KDE though because I am used to it :-). Haven't really tried any other WM for any length of time, but maybe that it is the the time to do it. Go completely different |
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| 13:44.19 | rosemary | xzgv: yeah - I'll print it and read in bed :-) |
| 13:44.32 | xzgv | rosemary, if you got a PII, then KDE and Gnome are out! too heavy and slow, Icewm flies |
| 13:44.51 | cmug | everyone should try fluxbox |
| 13:44.56 | edwin_gurde | didn't he say PIII? |
| 13:45.12 | xzgv | i can't remember... |
| 13:45.29 | xzgv | fluxbox is great too |
| 13:45.32 | rosemary | xzgv: my main box is PIII, but will be trying it on either P II or P III |
| 13:45.43 | nyterukh | why fluxbox? |
| 13:45.47 | edwin_gurde | (16:29:18) rosemary: liable how easy is it to install, and would it go on olde specs - i.e. P III, 500Mhz CPU, 5Gb HD, 256 RAM |
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| 13:46.15 | rosemary | Icewm - okay maybe I'll try it on mandriva for now, or knoppix when I get the network going and get the programme by apt-get |
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| 13:46.37 | xzgv | fluxbox is fast, has alt-tab and you can configure the apps to be launched, as icewm does too. |
| 13:46.39 | cmug | fluxbox is small and sleak. |
| 13:46.44 | liable | 256 is good enough for kde or gnome. |
| 13:46.54 | liable | !start a wm war |
| 13:46.54 | dpkg | fvwm95 bites! |
| 13:47.10 | nyterukh | i tried fluxbox once..no gui |
| 13:47.14 | rosemary | liable: got kde on the PIII at oresent |
| 13:47.26 | rosemary | heck - my typing! |
| 13:47.30 | liable | oresent? |
| 13:47.43 | rosemary | present+now :-) |
| 13:47.43 | trc | nyterukh: fluxbox is gui |
| 13:47.49 | xzgv | nyterukh, exactly, that's why it's fast, right-click and you got the debian menu |
| 13:47.52 | liable | rosemary: heh |
| 13:48.33 | nyterukh | mmm i like kde |
| 13:48.37 | rosemary | okay - you've all convinced me to try it - debian 3.1 (sarge) I'll email and order it |
| 13:48.45 | xzgv | on my PII, icewm is the fastest, launch my apps with the Fn keys, awesome |
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| 13:49.10 | rosemary | Fn keys? |
| 13:49.12 | nyterukh | might have to do a reinstall anyways...cant seem to get samba working righ no matter what i try |
| 13:49.24 | xzgv | yup, Fn keys |
| 13:49.25 | rosemary | F number keys ? Just asking? |
| 13:49.27 | liable | rosemary: as much as I hate the whole "use this really minimal wm cause you'll be l33t' you would be best off with a light wm on that box. |
| 13:49.44 | xzgv | F1, F2, F3...etc |
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| 13:49.58 | rosemary | liable - yes I see that, as it's hard to go back to lower specs I find |
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| 13:50.12 | rosemary | and it will be good for to try a different WM |
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| 13:50.27 | coercion | just wondering, what is bash-static |
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| 13:51.06 | coercion | statically linked means what |
| 13:51.08 | coercion | ? |
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| 13:51.18 | GlenneMannen | why doesn't this work for portranges to destination: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -i eth0 --dport 6112:6119 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.3:6112:6119 |
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| 13:52.12 | liable | GlenneMannen: try #iptables |
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| 13:52.47 | GlenneMannen | liable: ? I'm gonna send the data from the servers ports to the computer behind the server |
| 13:52.48 | blackout | anyone know of a program in debian that allows importing/exporting buddy lits from AIM? |
| 13:53.13 | petemc | GlenneMannen: did you just guess that syntax for specifying port ranges? |
| 13:53.20 | rosemary | liable: so I should get the standard 3.1 set - the guy offers different sets |
| 13:53.23 | liable | GlenneMannen: do you have a problem with a front end such as shorewall? |
| 13:53.39 | rosemary | it's a 3CD set |
| 13:53.40 | GlenneMannen | no... debian using iptables |
| 13:53.49 | liable | rosemary: do you have cable? |
| 13:54.14 | GlenneMannen | petemc: for the --to range yes |
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| 13:54.27 | coercion | blackout shouldnt ur lists be on the serverside |
| 13:54.28 | coercion | ? |
| 13:54.54 | rosemary | liable: no 56k dial up, so I buy or "acquire" my linux - will try local LUG - probably someone will do them for price of CDs |
| 13:54.57 | GlenneMannen | aha it's port-port for --too |
| 13:55.05 | GlenneMannen | sorry for bothering u guys |
| 13:55.06 | hyksos | GlenneMannen : whats with --source-ports and --destination-ports ? |
| 13:55.16 | blackout | coercion: sure, but i'm switching screennames |
| 13:55.17 | rosemary | or on-line auction |
| 13:55.25 | blackout | coercion: but i'd like to retain my buddy lists |
| 13:55.44 | tarzeau | streuner: http://www.cafepress.com/ubunto |
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| 13:56.08 | liable | rosemary: go to your local net cafe, get iso1, should do you in most instances. ( but yeah 3 cd's should about cover all you need) |
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| 13:56.57 | nyterukh | bbl |
| 13:57.19 | rosemary | liable: net cafe is library here - small town :-) |
| 13:57.43 | liable | rosemary: hah, bet its bigger tha mine. :) |
| 13:57.49 | liable | *than |
| 13:59.17 | rosemary | liable: heh! On-line auctin has 14 CD deian 3.1 NZ$22. Think I'll go for that - can't go wrong at that price. |
| 13:59.39 | rodge | I need some help to get my RAID controller to work. It's a Fasttrack100 TX2. I guess I need the pdc202xx_new module, is that true? It is loaded, but then I guess I need to create the dev-nodes with mknod, right? |
| 14:00.55 | jim | rodge: could be exactly right on all counts |
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| 14:01.11 | kittonian | hi all |
| 14:01.32 | liable | tarzeau: quick translation please? |
| 14:01.41 | jim | rodge: probably first step is to get the driver, which might be available now (try modprobe pdc202xx_new) or you might have to rebuild kernel |
| 14:01.52 | tarzeau | liable: "UBUNTU I THINK IS CRAP. LOL" |
| 14:01.56 | rodge | thanks jim, where can I get the major and minor numbers from ? |
| 14:01.58 | liable | hahaha |
| 14:02.11 | liable | tarzeau: :) |
| 14:02.16 | rodge | jim, the module is loaded |
| 14:02.18 | tarzeau | liable: :) |
| 14:02.45 | jim | rodge: so you have the module? could you uname -r and tell the result? |
| 14:02.47 | kittonian | does anyone know how to setup microsoft's dns server (server 2003) as a slave to bind 9 when there are two views set on the bind server? Basically I've got the linux box running bind 9 with an internal and an external view. I've got the windows server as a secondary slaving to the bind server but it will only find the internal records and is not recognizing the views. |
| 14:02.55 | kittonian | i can seem to find any docs on this |
| 14:03.10 | rodge | ok, 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 14:03.38 | migma | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.50 | migma | how do you enable xml in php4? |
| 14:04.29 | jim | kittonian: are you kidding? :) I don't know how to set up microsoft services, and I don't want to :) of course, if you do find someone that does and is willing to help, please don't make my eyes and ears burn by carrying the session on channel :) |
| 14:05.00 | Eulex | jim, hehe |
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| 14:05.32 | rosemary | liable xzgv well I've ordered it on-line - no doubt I'll be back at the end of the week for advice :-) |
| 14:05.32 | jim | rodge: ok, see if you can find the package that is the docs for that kernel, maybe kernel-doc-2.6.8-2 |
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| 14:05.53 | Eulex | migma, apt-get install php4-domxml? |
| 14:05.53 | petemc | kittonian: are you sure it supports views? |
| 14:05.57 | liable | rosemary: sure, have fun, see ya. |
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| 14:06.01 | kittonian | jim: heh. i know it sucks but it's for a client and I don't have a choice here. so i've never done it before and was hoping someone here might have shared this same experience |
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| 14:06.18 | b1ackhat | Hi guys, i have a little problem with a laptop with debian... |
| 14:06.20 | kittonian | petemc: no i'm not. like i said. i can't find any docs on it |
| 14:06.32 | b1ackhat | relationed with the fan |
| 14:06.38 | rodge | thanks, jim, installing it... |
| 14:06.42 | b1ackhat | can anyone helps... |
| 14:06.43 | jim | rodge: so you don't have to build the kernel or even a module, so you don't need kernel-headers-* or kernel-source-* |
| 14:07.44 | Eulex | b1ackhat, well, what's the problem? |
| 14:07.47 | jim | b1ackhat: you should give more details |
| 14:07.59 | b1ackhat | hi and thanks Eulex , jim |
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| 14:08.08 | b1ackhat | the problem is that the fan is continuosuly working |
| 14:08.12 | b1ackhat | never stop |
| 14:08.32 | b1ackhat | and i suppouse is problem of apm or acpi, or that i don't have such packages |
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| 14:08.47 | Eulex | blackhat, is it a laptop with speedstep? |
| 14:08.48 | b1ackhat | can you tell me .... if could be this? |
| 14:08.49 | migma | Eulex: I just did an install of that and php.info still has the "--disable-xml" option |
| 14:09.05 | Eulex | migma, I dunno, I just did an apt-cache search |
| 14:09.15 | b1ackhat | Eulex, i don'tknow...is a Gericom Overdose |
| 14:09.24 | jim | I'm not claiming to help or be able to... but I am saying you should just ask the question... that way, the 727 people/bots/animals/plants here might be able to help... maybe someone who's not a guru happens to know the answer |
| 14:09.24 | migma | phpinfo(); * |
| 14:09.34 | rodge | jim, is there a man page for that pdc202xx_new. Sorry about that stupid question, but I guess that kernel doc is huge... |
| 14:09.48 | petemc | kittonian: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302639 |
| 14:10.11 | jim | rodge: did you get a Documentation dir somewhere? |
| 14:10.18 | Eulex | blackhat, eh? never heard... do you know what processor? |
| 14:10.22 | liable | b1ackhat: dude, how about "google linux 'your laptop model' fan continuous" |
| 14:10.40 | b1ackhat | jeejejej seems not to be enough |
| 14:10.43 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 14:10.58 | b1ackhat | is the first thing i did in my "bofh manual" |
| 14:10.59 | b1ackhat | :p |
| 14:11.29 | jim | b1ackhat: can you run it with the power supply? fan -good- :) |
| 14:11.34 | Eulex | blackhat, cat /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 14:11.48 | b1ackhat | i go Eulex |
| 14:12.14 | jim | Eulex: quick, tell him of a pastebot... |
| 14:12.23 | jim | I can see him pasting it on channel |
| 14:12.24 | Eulex | !tell blackhat about paster |
| 14:12.24 | kittonian | petemc: thanks for that link. the regular transfers do work. it's just that it's only seeing the internal view and not the external view |
| 14:12.44 | b1ackhat | Eulex, via private you have my /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:12.53 | Eulex | jim: no big deal, it's always fun to see them learning the hard way :) |
| 14:12.54 | jim | b1ackhat: oh, good job |
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| 14:13.13 | petemc | kittonian: yeah, thats the only link on ms's site to do with bind9 interopability - v useful |
| 14:13.27 | liable | whats cpuinfo got to do with it? |
| 14:13.35 | Eulex | blackhat, is 1.1ghz the maximum frequency? |
| 14:13.49 | jim | liable: maybe he wants to guess at how old the laptop is |
| 14:13.51 | liable | b1ackhat: do you have /proc/acpi? |
| 14:13.55 | kittonian | hmm, i'm on bind's site and there appears to be windows binaries :) |
| 14:14.00 | rodge | jim, yes, but "find /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.6.8/Documentation/ -exec grep -l pdc202 {} \;" doesnt find anything |
| 14:14.04 | b1ackhat | liable, i go to see |
| 14:14.13 | kittonian | i think i'll try using those on tuesday instead of ms dns and see how that goes |
| 14:14.15 | petemc | kittonian: you can indeed run bind on windows |
| 14:14.20 | b1ackhat | liable, no i haven't |
| 14:14.26 | liable | b1ackhat: dont /msg me. |
| 14:14.28 | kittonian | there's certainly no tie to ms dns |
| 14:14.29 | qpee | lsusb gives me `Bus 001 Device 005: ID 04f9:001a` for my connected printer, but using /dev/usb/lp0 i can't print, why? all the drivers are installed and had worked before i put the printer to a usb-hub right now the printer only works in MS Windows. what could be oing wrong here? |
| 14:14.40 | liable | b1ackhat: well, maybe install acpid. |
| 14:14.40 | petemc | kittonian: no active directory? |
| 14:14.49 | FieldySnuts | that's a good thing |
| 14:14.58 | FieldySnuts | (not having it) |
| 14:14.58 | jim | rodge,still here? |
| 14:15.09 | Eulex | blackhat, have you got acpid installed |
| 14:15.22 | rodge | jim, yes, my find did not anything about pdc202 |
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| 14:15.26 | kittonian | petemc: yes there's active directory (ugh) which I didn't even want to have but had to because this is the primary domain controller and it's going to be an exchange server 2003 ent. server |
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| 14:15.41 | liable | qpee: you have cups installed? |
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| 14:16.07 | petemc | kittonian: Ad isnt bad, and for groupware, exchnage 2003 is the best there is.. |
| 14:16.17 | rosemary | hi - what's the comand to get list of hardware - lshw isn't doing it - thanks |
| 14:16.18 | FieldySnuts | can ya take it to another channel or something? |
| 14:16.23 | kittonian | yeah, exchange kicks ass which is why I'm doing all of this. |
| 14:16.27 | qpee | liable, yes |
| 14:16.31 | petemc | FieldySnuts: you can ignore me if you want |
| 14:16.36 | FieldySnuts | okay |
| 14:16.41 | kittonian | but i'm not a fan of AD simply because it integrates into every little portion of things |
| 14:16.46 | jim | rodge: Documentation/devices.txt |
| 14:16.49 | FieldySnuts | and all the other OT folks, too |
| 14:16.49 | jim | see if it's in there |
| 14:16.54 | liable | qpee: whats the command you trying? |
| 14:17.12 | petemc | FieldySnuts: it may seem very quiet if you do that :) |
| 14:17.18 | liable | !irritate FieldySnuts |
| 14:17.20 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh edonkey lol |
| 14:17.28 | qpee | liable, i tried a simple echo-pipe and the usal way i did trogh kghostview and openoffice |
| 14:18.05 | jim | kittonian: ohthatsrightiforgot... this mis makingmy eyesan dearsbu rn |
| 14:18.22 | liable | qpee: so you cant even print a test page with the cups admin page? |
| 14:19.16 | rodge | jim, are the md-devices just for software-raid, or is this the one I must look at? |
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| 14:20.08 | jim | rodge: maybe |
| 14:20.12 | qpee | liable, as i'm just seeing cups is deinstalled. what i now use is a good question. the usual tools like lp and it's friends? |
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| 14:20.23 | liable | qpee: 127.0.0.2:631 |
| 14:20.26 | jim | is there a md dir in Documentation? |
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| 14:20.34 | liable | erm.. |
| 14:20.57 | liable | qpee: cup-sys. |
| 14:21.10 | rodge | jim, no I found them later on... 114 for promise, thanks so far |
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| 14:21.17 | qpee | liable, thats what i tried and there is nothing listening on that port anymore. but it wokred before without cups as well |
| 14:21.26 | liable | qpee: install that, and cupsys-bsd |
| 14:21.42 | rosemary | liable sorry to interrupt - what is the command for finding out about hardware |
| 14:21.58 | liable | rosemary: hwinfo |
| 14:22.05 | liable | rosemary: lspci |
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| 14:22.29 | Eulex | rosemary, lshw |
| 14:23.03 | rosemary | thanks liable |
| 14:23.09 | rosemary | Eulex: |
| 14:23.11 | no_dammagE | if I install sarge from RC1 netinstall CD, will a current base system installed or do I have to update it manually? |
| 14:23.15 | qpee | liable, ok but it will removes lpr-ppd and printtool |
| 14:23.16 | rosemary | lshw didn't work |
| 14:23.27 | FieldySnuts | define didn't work? |
| 14:23.53 | liable | qpee: try it. |
| 14:23.56 | jim | rosemary: are you yourself familiar with hardware and how drivers identify particular pieces of hardware connected to your system? |
| 14:23.58 | rodge | jim, now I do "mknod /dev/ataraid/d0 b 114 0", could that be right? |
| 14:24.03 | Eulex | blackhat, is 1.1ghz the maximum frequency of your cpu? and, are you running acpid? |
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| 14:24.18 | jim | rodge: /dev/ataraid exist |
| 14:24.19 | jim | ? |
| 14:24.34 | rodge | no, not yet, I do a mkdir first, ok? |
| 14:24.39 | jim | yeah |
| 14:24.41 | qpee | liable, hopefully this printer will work with cups too :) |
| 14:24.48 | jim | then you could make d0 |
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| 14:25.24 | liable | wtf is lshw? |
| 14:25.38 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate liable |
| 14:25.38 | apt | liable: hi every1 who uses sound ???/ |
| 14:26.08 | AigleDor | Is the default sarge kernel configured to support the ISA bus? |
| 14:26.14 | liable | !date FieldySnuts |
| 14:26.21 | qpee | liable, i what should i enter for the device, in the drop down list i get like 15 usb resources |
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| 14:26.34 | qpee | liable, i mean how to i connect the info from lsusb with this dev. numbers |
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| 14:26.42 | rosemary | jim - not really, but manage to get by |
| 14:27.22 | b1ackhat | Thanks all for you kindly help! |
| 14:27.25 | liable | qpee: plug it in, and see what dmesg says about it. |
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| 14:27.45 | jim | rosemary: so you're aware of stuff like irqs and port addresses |
| 14:27.46 | jim | ? |
| 14:28.03 | qpee | liable, drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 6 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04F9 pid 0x001A |
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| 14:28.21 | qpee | that means usb-printer #6 in cups? |
| 14:28.28 | esa | Hello!, how i can make regexp so, it will match *[[:alnum:]]*, i mean if there is ! in middle of text, it will match that too, by setting [[:alnum:]] alone it will match only first character |
| 14:28.31 | rosemary | jim I know they are there, but what they mean is another thing :-) |
| 14:28.33 | liable | AigleDor: yeah, what do you have that you need to get supported? |
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| 14:28.49 | rosemary | jim- but as I say I have got by without knowing |
| 14:28.50 | Eulex | esa: #bash (I think) |
| 14:28.53 | jim | rosemary: that's likely enough for now |
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| 14:29.04 | liable | qpee: whats the question again? |
| 14:29.38 | rosemary | I know some things prefer, or go to some ports rather than others, but the detail is beyond me jim |
| 14:29.47 | schrankwand | i'm looking for a new wallpaper. What homepages are the besides www.kde-look.org and www.gnome-look.org? |
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| 14:30.04 | qpee | liable, i need to select a device in the cups configuration on the web frontend. (i'm adding a priter there). an di don't know which usb device out of that drop-box i should choose becuase there are about 15 usb printer devices listed |
| 14:30.04 | schrankwand | s/the/there/ |
| 14:30.06 | jetx | art.gnome.org or something similar |
| 14:30.18 | granden | If I have a AMD Barton shall I use the k7 or 686 kernel? |
| 14:30.22 | jetx | k7 |
| 14:30.27 | granden | ok thanks |
| 14:30.32 | jetx | 686 intel, k amd |
| 14:30.35 | liable | qpee: usblp0? |
| 14:30.37 | jetx | -386 anything |
| 14:30.40 | AigleDor | liable: an ISA sound card. I can't see ISA in /proc/bus. Is it possible to find the configuration (.config file) of that kernel? |
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| 14:30.48 | rosemary | is an older kernel better on older hardware? |
| 14:30.53 | granden | okej thanks |
| 14:31.02 | qpee | liable, that would mean 'USB Printer #1' in cups language i guess? |
| 14:31.05 | jim | rosemary: ok, your level is enough for solving a fair-sized range of problems |
| 14:31.07 | rodge | jim, I created /dev/ataraid/d0 and d0p1 throu d0p8. But a "fdisk /dev/ataraid/d0" says "unable to open..." |
| 14:31.12 | liable | AigleDor: if its a standard kernel, then it should support isa. |
| 14:31.13 | jim | rosemary: sometimes |
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| 14:31.32 | jim | rodge: did it say why unable? |
| 14:31.39 | rosemary | jim - guess I'll just try and see what happens - haven't got the CDs yet |
| 14:31.40 | liable | qpee: geez, try it and see if it prints. |
| 14:31.53 | jetx | if it's an hp you probably want hpijs or something similar |
| 14:31.57 | rodge | jim, I must have missed something |
| 14:32.02 | liable | qpee: printing *is* black magic you know? :P |
| 14:32.03 | jim | rosemary: you want to install debian? |
| 14:32.12 | qpee | liable, it does not. |
| 14:32.14 | jetx | kinda easy with hp |
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| 14:32.27 | jetx | nowadays that is |
| 14:32.34 | jetx | didn't used to be |
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| 14:32.42 | rosemary | jim - yes I've been using mandriva for 6 months and want to try a system with ap-get |
| 14:32.47 | qpee | liable, let me try these 20 differnt devices, i'll then reask |
| 14:32.49 | rosemary | apt-get |
| 14:32.52 | jim | rosemary: ok |
| 14:33.02 | liable | qpee: hehe, yeah :P |
| 14:33.02 | rosemary | have knoppix installed on HD of older specs PC |
| 14:33.05 | jetx | qpee: how many printers do you have connected? |
| 14:33.27 | rosemary | jim also have a P III with 256 RAM just sitting here |
| 14:33.31 | rodge | jim, no, it says just "Unable to open /dev/ataraid/d0" |
| 14:33.38 | jim | hmm |
| 14:33.52 | rosemary | jim but only a small HD 3 or 5 Gb I think |
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| 14:33.54 | liable | rosemary: wanna donate it? |
| 14:34.18 | jim | rosemary: 500mb is enough for a small install |
| 14:34.21 | rosemary | liable it is for playing :-) |
| 14:34.23 | qpee | jetx: just 1 |
| 14:34.27 | jetx | -_-i donated a p133 to a guy to make a beowulf once... was a good board back then |
| 14:34.34 | jetx | try #1 first |
| 14:34.41 | jim | rosemary: like for to replace a rounter or something small like that |
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| 14:34.45 | rosemary | liable and I am in NZ - I know the guy has some other P II to give away |
| 14:35.11 | liable | rosemary: ok, bit far to swim though. |
| 14:35.24 | jim | rodge: hmmm... |
| 14:35.32 | rosemary | jim - the reason I got the third PC, which is the P II, is to maybe try set up ipcop |
| 14:35.41 | rosemary | liable - yeah just a bit |
| 14:36.04 | no_dammagE | what is the best suitable DE regarding usability / performance for a C400 320 RAM ? KDE is too heavy ... gnome actually, too (I think - on this amd64 I have no probs :D ) ...? |
| 14:36.10 | jim | I'm not familiar enough with raid to help beyond this without guessing |
| 14:36.17 | liable | rosemary: but, if I get there for snowboarding again, expect a visit :) |
| 14:36.20 | rosemary | anyway I had better get to bed |
| 14:36.36 | rosemary | sure liable :-) always glad to have visitors |
| 14:36.48 | rodge | jim, maybe your guess could help :-) |
| 14:36.56 | rosemary | liable you've already been here then? |
| 14:37.08 | jim | no_dammagE: not only do you not necessarily need a DE, you don't need X (necessarily( |
| 14:37.09 | liable | rosemary: yah, mount hut |
| 14:37.12 | coercion | when installing apps whats a good dir to use? |
| 14:37.12 | liable | ? |
| 14:37.15 | rosemary | it's snowboarding weather now |
| 14:37.19 | coercion | ./opt |
| 14:37.20 | coercion | ? |
| 14:37.28 | jim | coercion: /usr/local |
| 14:37.29 | rosemary | liable oh - I'm in North Island |
| 14:37.33 | coercion | heh k |
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| 14:37.44 | qpee | liable, jetx: whoooooohoooo. it's printing! |
| 14:37.45 | rosemary | anyway bed for me -thanks all |
| 14:37.46 | chealer | how does the kernel source's i386 defconfig translate to a specific stock kernel's config? are the differences documented and explained somewhere? |
| 14:37.58 | jim | coercion: but asking about stuff you build yourself is off topic here |
| 14:38.00 | liable | !congratulate qpee |
| 14:38.01 | dpkg | Nice one qpee, you did it! |
| 14:38.05 | prodope | coercion |
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| 14:38.13 | rodge | jim, is it normally enough to have the module loaded and then having created the nodes to use the device?? |
| 14:38.17 | coercion | i guess so |
| 14:38.20 | coercion | yo what up prod |
| 14:38.21 | coercion | :P |
| 14:38.22 | jetx | !congratuate qpee |
| 14:38.28 | coercion | i just got my server up today |
| 14:38.29 | jetx | doh |
| 14:38.35 | jetx | !congratulate qpee |
| 14:38.35 | jim | rodge: guessing, yes. |
| 14:38.35 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies qpee, you did it! |
| 14:38.51 | qpee | liable, haha :) cups+you+jetx did it. thanks for the hugs :) |
| 14:38.58 | huliganz | :) |
| 14:39.01 | jetx | i did nothing |
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| 14:39.18 | liable | qpee: sweet, waste that paper :P |
| 14:39.19 | qpee | actually i thoght it's not working, but the stupid printer was warming up :) |
| 14:39.38 | qpee | nice one. |
| 14:39.48 | rodge | jim, do you now about a debian tool which is about handling raid devices? |
| 14:39.54 | jim | rodge: but it would be useful to find out for sure what numbers the device uses |
| 14:40.25 | jim | s/device/driver module for your device/ |
| 14:41.04 | rodge | I missed the beginning of your last message |
| 14:41.40 | jetx | i take it you don't mean raidtools |
| 14:41.42 | jim | qpee: the EPRINTER error message, "printer on fire" usually doesn't mean that... of course, if you find burning printers and people and such, maybe that's wrong :) |
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| 14:42.43 | rodge | jim, I found the pdcnew in /proc/ide. Is there a way to ask it for the device number? |
| 14:42.55 | jetx | !info mdadm |
| 14:43.00 | dpkg | mdadm: (Manage MD devices aka Linux Software Raid), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.9.0-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 100 kB, Installed size: 316 kB |
| 14:43.08 | jetx | which is what raidtools2 depends on |
| 14:43.21 | jim | rodge: you could try cat /proc/ide/pdcnew |
| 14:43.36 | jetx | one day i'll get raided... |
| 14:43.41 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 14:43.59 | liable | :( cant get mplayer for like a week, stupid depends. |
| 14:44.11 | rodge | it only shows a string with the device name "Fasttrack..." which is correct |
| 14:44.22 | jetx | i prefer xine for somereason, ymmv |
| 14:44.46 | jetx | cept not in console |
| 14:45.10 | Jappis | my "su" doesn't work, "Authentication failure". But the password IS correct. I can login as root and it has worked before though. Someone know what's wrong? |
| 14:45.19 | huliganz | mueh http://www.collegesexadvice.com/sex.shtml |
| 14:45.40 | liable | erm,, |
| 14:46.09 | FieldySnuts | Jappis: are you in the wheel group? |
| 14:46.15 | no_dammagE | %wheel |
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| 14:46.37 | FieldySnuts | ~lart huliganz |
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| 14:47.37 | liable | Jappis: so, what have you done to do this? |
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| 14:48.02 | myren | there's a bunch of programs which are basically command line interfaces to web services; anyone remember any of em? |
| 14:48.12 | jim | rodge: that looks like at least it knows what thing it is |
| 14:48.21 | liable | web services? |
| 14:48.28 | Jappis | liable, nothing, i think =) |
| 14:48.30 | myren | sure, google, amazon, &c &C |
| 14:48.34 | caphuso | myren: surfraw |
| 14:48.39 | rodge | jim, at least that :-) |
| 14:48.42 | myren | yyyeeaaahhhh, thats the one |
| 14:48.46 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Uh, this isn't BSD, you know. |
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| 14:49.01 | murdoch- | roflmao huliganz |
| 14:49.09 | stefan__ | Hi, how to bind something like "/bin/foobar" to a specific keycode in the console? couldn't find any docs, sry... |
| 14:49.32 | rodge | jim, I guess I have to search throu kernel sources... |
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| 14:50.20 | liable | stefan__: i would think, xmodmap, xbindkeys etc, and .bashrc |
| 14:50.43 | mwilson | liable: And what would either of those have to do with the Linux console? |
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| 14:51.03 | liable | mwilson: erm, yes, good point. |
| 14:51.07 | stefan__ | liable, na no X please - but how to bind something in bash? |
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| 14:51.57 | murdoch- | omfg those questions at the bottom are priceless huliganz |
| 14:52.08 | huliganz | :) |
| 14:53.18 | caphuso | stefan__: uh, what exactly are you talking about? console or bash? |
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| 14:53.48 | jim | rodge: right, at least look at the source for the driver you're using |
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| 14:54.07 | stefan__ | caphuso: console - tried inittab, but i think there's only one "kbrequest" |
| 14:54.28 | sanxiyn | !info surfraw |
| 14:54.35 | dpkg | surfraw: (a fast unix command line interface to WWW), section web, is optional. Version: 2.1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 71 kB, Installed size: 472 kB |
| 14:54.39 | Wine | Hello, i upgraded to Sarge, but my imap is not working any more, i get this error: Command stream end of file, while reading line user=??? host=UNKNOWN while doing imap_open() Anyone has an advice? |
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| 14:55.05 | caphuso | stefan__: you need to modify your keymap. check the loadkeys and keymaps man pages |
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| 14:55.51 | stefan__ | caphuso: i can modify it - but how to bind a command to the signals defined in the keymap? that's what i'm looking for |
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| 14:56.27 | caphuso | stefan__: you need to modify your keymap. check the loadkeys and keymaps man pages |
| 14:56.29 | jim | Wine: find out what the message means... break it down into its individual ideas... for each idea, find out why. |
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| 14:56.50 | stefan__ | hm hm |
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| 14:58.46 | minra | my debian-ARM has no keymaps, strangely enough |
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| 14:59.47 | caphuso | minra: how do you know? |
| 14:59.54 | Wine | jim: i know what the message is :-), i already searched, i'm not the only one with the problem after upgrading to sarge |
| 15:00.08 | Wine | but no solutions on the web found |
| 15:00.21 | jim | Wine: ok, good :) so find out why it's doing that |
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| 15:01.11 | minra | caphuso: no keymaps on the 'distro' (Psion Netbook, linux-7110) |
| 15:01.14 | jim | Wine: perhaps you can help the others if you can do that |
| 15:01.28 | caphuso | minra: no, _how_ do you know? |
| 15:01.42 | minra | looked on the fs for keymaps ... locate, cd etc |
| 15:01.58 | murdoch- | hey huliganz do ya have any other funny pages? |
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| 15:02.22 | minra | btw if you can score a used netbook cheap, it's a *fun* little linux portable |
| 15:02.25 | huliganz | w8 4 moment ;) |
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| 15:02.34 | Jappis | FieldySnuts, sry for delay, no, i wasn't in group wheel, i added myself but still not working |
| 15:02.52 | murdoch- | netbook? |
| 15:02.55 | caphuso | minra: you managed to not have the console-data package installed? |
| 15:02.59 | murdoch- | some us thing? |
| 15:03.18 | caphuso | or is it just not needed on ARM boxes? |
| 15:03.33 | doggie | murdoch, http://www.geek.com/hwswrev/pda/netbook/netbook.htm |
| 15:03.48 | doggie | murdoch-, think large colour psion |
| 15:03.51 | stefan__ | caphuso: checked the man pages. i don't think you can define something like "run /bin/foobar" in the keymap, but that's what i need |
| 15:04.03 | murdoch- | ooh nice |
| 15:04.22 | schrankwand | how can i send at commands to my handy via bluetooth? |
| 15:05.04 | caphuso | stefan__: wait, you want to execute /bin/foobar or just insert the string "/bin/foobar"? |
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| 15:05.36 | stefan__ | caphuso: actually run |
| 15:05.51 | caphuso | stefan__: that's so not the job of the terminal |
| 15:06.42 | stefan__ | caphuso: hm - but something handles shift+f1 for Console_1 etc. |
| 15:07.31 | stefan__ | caphuso: there must be some way... - you can define one keybrequest in inittab, but i need more than one |
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| 15:08.37 | minra | caphuso: thx for the hint - i go check |
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| 15:09.05 | caphuso | stefan__: that's pretty hardwired in the kernel |
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| 15:09.54 | rodge | jim, there are no device numbers in the pdcnew.* files. If I look at the boot messages I see that it finds the device but then it maps the harddisks as single devices to /dev/hdg and hdf instead of using the array which is known by the bios. Maybe I have to install the 2.4 kernel. |
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| 15:10.29 | caphuso | stefan__: how about you tell us what's the actual prblem you want to solve? |
| 15:10.39 | cmihai | I guess the "please restart your computer" seems like a normal message lol :) |
| 15:10.47 | jim | rodge: you have 2.6.8 now? |
| 15:10.54 | rodge | jim, yes |
| 15:10.55 | turZ | hi |
| 15:11.07 | cyrax | I have a problem with the apt-get (again)... I keep getting this message libgnome-keyring0: Depends: gnome-keyring (= 0.4.3-1) but 0.4.2-1 is to be installed |
| 15:11.09 | jim | that's right, you said that before |
| 15:11.21 | cyrax | I tried apt-get -f install also. |
| 15:11.24 | jim | hate pulling teeth |
| 15:11.24 | cyrax | it still doesnt work |
| 15:11.34 | jim | hate hate hate |
| 15:11.38 | mwilson | cyrax: Why would it? |
| 15:11.38 | turZ | cyrax: are u in instable? |
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| 15:11.43 | cyrax | yeah |
| 15:11.49 | rodge | jim, and the debian installer, which I guess uses kernel 2.4, handled the arrays correctly |
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| 15:12.01 | stefan__ | caphuso: um, sorry I didn't do this before. I want to bin e.g. shift+F1 to exec fbset to set it to nice 80x24, 'cause that's the best resollution to play nethack - and of course shift+f2 to fbset some higher res |
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| 15:12.05 | jim | oh it does... so the raid is formatted? |
| 15:12.12 | chealer | !sidsmite cyrax |
| 15:12.17 | stefan__ | set my framebuffer |
| 15:12.19 | jim | and you formatted the raid at install time? |
| 15:12.51 | jim | ok, now we really need someone familiar with raid... my guesses are not helping |
| 15:12.51 | mwilson | stefan__: No, what you want to do is write a simple shell script to make the change you want, and then launch nethack for you, and then put things back when you exit nethack. |
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| 15:12.58 | caphuso | stefan__: and you can't just write a script that runs fbset, nethack and fbset again? |
| 15:13.05 | stefan__ | i could use a bash-script but i find it very sexy if you can change the console resolution by a keypress |
| 15:13.06 | cyrax | so what do I do now? Am I just screwed? Plain simple? chealer ? |
| 15:13.07 | rodge | jim, the raid is full with data. Ok it's NTFS but that is not the problem. The partitions should be seen by fdisk |
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| 15:13.19 | jim | ohh |
| 15:13.26 | turZ | sid rules but I guess that 's a problem due to unstable version |
| 15:13.32 | chealer | cyrax: if I was you, I'd reinstall sarge, or at worst testig |
| 15:13.36 | stefan__ | it's not only for nethack - would be nice |
| 15:13.39 | chealer | s/testig/testing |
| 15:13.46 | jim | you know you can't write to ntfs without risk of destroying ntfs partition... |
| 15:14.08 | turZ | cyrax: I think you have just to wait |
| 15:14.14 | cyrax | now now chealer I cannot do that now. Too far into using the GNU/Linux system. |
| 15:14.16 | jim | read, yes... write, risk. |
| 15:14.20 | rodge | jim, I heard about that. But reading should be fine. |
| 15:14.28 | cyrax | can I do something to install some other packages @least? |
| 15:14.45 | cyrax | I mean I am trying to install doxygen and I keep getting this stupid message ... |
| 15:14.54 | caphuso | stefan__: so write a script that takes whatever program you want to execute as argument, runs fbset, "$@" and then fbset again |
| 15:14.55 | cyrax | actually it was my stupid mistake I guess. |
| 15:15.09 | FieldySnuts | badger. |
| 15:15.13 | turZ | I think you have to repair some packets |
| 15:15.16 | turZ | use synaptic |
| 15:15.42 | stefan__ | caphuso: hum - i will ;( |
| 15:15.45 | chealer | "sid rules"? what does that mean? |
| 15:15.46 | FieldySnuts | ooo. |
| 15:15.47 | stefan__ | thanks anyway |
| 15:15.52 | cyrax | any links that you could suggest? turZ? |
| 15:15.54 | rodge | jim, so that NTFS write can still not be done correctly? I read about it about 5 or 6 years ago. |
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| 15:16.02 | abrotman | cyrax: what did you do ? |
| 15:16.08 | FieldySnuts | rodge: no, because microsoft won't tell anyone how it works |
| 15:16.14 | cyrax | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 15:16.16 | jim | rodge: tell ya what... now, you've done things that got you a little more information... repose the question you have taking into account the new stuff you found out, post here |
| 15:16.25 | cyrax | abrotman, I just do an update on every friday |
| 15:16.33 | FieldySnuts | no big loss. an enterprise filesystem which fragments very badly. heh. |
| 15:16.47 | jim | rodge: and probably never will unless microsoft releases the true specs and code |
| 15:16.59 | jim | don't wait for that :P |
| 15:17.04 | turZ | use dist-upgrade instead of upgrade |
| 15:17.12 | abrotman | cyrax: you can't remove the lock file ? |
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| 15:17.28 | cyrax | I successfully removed that problem. |
| 15:17.48 | cyrax | Actually I had that problem around 6 hrs back. |
| 15:17.53 | jim | cyrax: not running it as root? already running it as root on another term? |
| 15:17.55 | cyrax | then fixed it in a round about way. |
| 15:17.59 | turZ | cyrax: probably you have some broken packages. use the "broken" filter in synaptic |
| 15:18.01 | abrotman | cyrax: you're using sid ? |
| 15:18.05 | cyrax | jim, both were not the case. |
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| 15:18.19 | jim | so why was the lock present? |
| 15:18.31 | cyrax | abrotman sid? I am currently using synaptic (for fixing the broken pkgs) |
| 15:18.39 | jim | interrupted some operation in progres? |
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| 15:18.57 | abrotman | cyrax: sid/unstable ? |
| 15:19.05 | cyrax | unstable |
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| 15:19.15 | abrotman | cyrax: and which package is uninstallable ? |
| 15:19.19 | turZ | abrotman: sid is not always unstable? |
| 15:19.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: you took a saxophone > |
| 15:19.27 | cyrax | gnome-keyring |
| 15:19.28 | abrotman | turZ: sid is always unstable |
| 15:19.33 | cyrax | gnome-keyring - abrotman |
| 15:19.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: not me, but a friend, yeah |
| 15:19.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: i took a duck ;) |
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| 15:19.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you eat it ? |
| 15:19.57 | cmihai | You can write to NTFS without problems... |
| 15:20.11 | FieldySnuts | no. you can't. |
| 15:20.15 | cmihai | jim: you can write / read NTFS safe. |
| 15:20.16 | FieldySnuts | captive_ntfs is NOT the answer. |
| 15:20.18 | cmihai | Bollocs. |
| 15:20.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: no i put a cheese thingy on the grill , the duck did party with us |
| 15:20.21 | FieldySnuts | do NOT go that route. |
| 15:20.22 | cmihai | Why not ?! |
| 15:20.26 | abrotman | cyrax: no experimental ? |
| 15:20.30 | cmihai | It works. |
| 15:20.38 | cmihai | And I couldn't care less if it' |
| 15:20.49 | cmihai | isn't "free software" bla bla |
| 15:20.50 | jim | cmihai: so far... but you'll beeee sooooooooorrryyyyyy.... |
| 15:20.54 | abrotman | it's not your data .. don't fuck up other people's data with ntfs hackery |
| 15:20.55 | FieldySnuts | then why on earth are you using debian... |
| 15:20.58 | FieldySnuts | no shit |
| 15:21.15 | abrotman | cyrax: ? |
| 15:21.18 | cyrax | nope abrotman |
| 15:21.27 | FieldySnuts | it's not our call, it's his. if you want to goof around with ntfs writing, go for it, however, have 100% full backups |
| 15:21.34 | jim | cmihai: this is someone else's data you're risking? |
| 15:21.39 | cyrax | I get this message abrotman - libgnome-keyring0: Depends: gnome-keyring (= 0.4.3-1) but 0.4.2-1 is to be installed |
| 15:21.48 | abrotman | cyrax: apt-cache depends libgnome-keyring9 |
| 15:21.50 | abrotman | err |
| 15:21.51 | abrotman | cyrax: apt-cache depends libgnome-keyring0 |
| 15:21.55 | jim | or who? |
| 15:21.56 | cmihai | Hey, if he hasn't got backups, that's _his_ problem |
| 15:22.05 | abrotman | cmihai: you're an asshole ... |
| 15:22.09 | FieldySnuts | no doubt |
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| 15:22.22 | cmihai | Right. |
| 15:22.25 | Stereo | captive_ntfs isn't safe. Unless you have a very, very good reason to use it, just get another disk |
| 15:22.36 | cyrax | abrotman, depends - libc6 libglib2.0-0 gnome-keyring |
| 15:22.39 | rodge | I need some help to get my RAID controller to work (Fasttrack100 TX2). I have a loaded module pdc202xxx_new which is running. I then tried to create device nodes under /dev/ataraid with major number 114. But I get "unable to open device" with fdisk. While booting the controller gets detected and it maps the harddisks as single devices to /dev/hdX but not the striped array. Any help? |
| 15:22.41 | FieldySnuts | says a lot "<cmihai> And I couldn't care less if it isn't "free software" bla bla" why use debian then. |
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| 15:22.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: brats ? |
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| 15:23.07 | abrotman | cyrax: there are version numbers :) |
| 15:23.11 | cmihai | FieldySnuts: gee, did it ever accur to you I might use something becouse I like it, not becouse I care about some political crap ? |
| 15:23.11 | abrotman | !depends gnome-keyring |
| 15:23.13 | dpkg | gnome-keyring: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1) |
| 15:23.15 | FieldySnuts | anyway many of us have given our advice, and it's obvious we feel strongly. in the nd it's your call |
| 15:23.19 | cyrax | abrotman, yeah. |
| 15:23.28 | abrotman | !depends libgnome-keyring0 |
| 15:23.28 | jim | abrotman: how did you know it's not his data he's risking? |
| 15:23.32 | dpkg | libgnome-keyring0: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), gnome-keyring (= 0.4.2-1) |
| 15:23.37 | FieldySnuts | cmihai: debian is very much about caring about free software. ignoring that is spitting in the face of debian. you're on ignore now. |
| 15:23.38 | abrotman | jim: he said as much i believe |
| 15:23.51 | abrotman | cyrax: your sources are messed up somehow |
| 15:24.10 | cyrax | abrotman, hehehe!! I guessed that sometime back. |
| 15:24.16 | mwilson | Gods, I hate maildir. |
| 15:24.17 | cmihai | If caring about free software means not giving a fsck about anything else, _just_ becouse it's not "free software", that too bad for you. |
| 15:24.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: brats? |
| 15:24.29 | abrotman | cyrax: you never added experimental? .. ever ? |
| 15:24.30 | cmihai | Call it what you like, I call it ignorance. |
| 15:24.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: sausage type stuff |
| 15:24.35 | cyrax | I only use apt-get abrotman ... even then. |
| 15:24.35 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: not as fun as having to convert back and forth |
| 15:24.41 | cyrax | nope abrotman never |
| 15:24.58 | abrotman | cyrax: so if you apt-get update;apt-get install gnome-keyring .. same error ? |
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| 15:25.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah |
| 15:25.13 | cyrax | I have been using : http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 15:25.17 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: I *do* need to convert. It's time to export my spam mailbox, but I can't get mutt to export it as mbox. |
| 15:25.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've head one turkish brat with onion! |
| 15:25.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: the guy in green is spooky :) |
| 15:25.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: very hot |
| 15:25.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's koni |
| 15:25.31 | FieldySnuts | i only did it once, and I forget how |
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| 15:25.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you find me yet? |
| 15:25.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're behind the camera |
| 15:26.00 | cyrax | abrotman, I get errors ... |
| 15:26.01 | asg | abrotman: he might be the spooky one in green |
| 15:26.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm the guy with long hair and the duck, "rip curl" t-shirt |
| 15:26.07 | tarzeau | asg: nah |
| 15:26.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: -ot |
| 15:26.10 | asg | tarzeau: ;) |
| 15:26.10 | cyrax | abrotman, oh man... I got that lock problem again. |
| 15:26.27 | rodge | Does anyone know if I can get the Fasttrack100Tx2 to run with kernel 2.6.8 ? |
| 15:26.51 | mwilson | rodge: Uh, a Tx2 has been supported for years. |
| 15:27.15 | cyrax | abrotman, solvd the lock problem once again. I guess I will write a script or something that fixes. |
| 15:27.30 | abrotman | cyrax: that shouldn't be happening |
| 15:27.37 | cyrax | if I do apt-get upgrade I get the following error : The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:27.37 | cyrax | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.37 | cyrax | E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. |
| 15:27.42 | cyrax | oops flood |
| 15:27.54 | rodge | mwilson, can you help me with this then? I tried doing mknod but it is not working |
| 15:28.19 | abrotman | cyrax: apt-cache show libgnome-keyring0 .. what is the version ? |
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| 15:29.29 | jim | abrotman: hmm, not recently? you mean something like a few days ago? |
| 15:29.30 | cyrax | 0.4.3-1 |
| 15:29.34 | cyrax | 0.4.3-1, abrotman |
| 15:29.40 | xorandor | re2alz |
| 15:29.48 | abrotman | !info libgnome-keyring0 sid |
| 15:29.53 | dpkg | libgnome-keyring0: (GNOME keyring services library), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 15:30.03 | abrotman | cyrax: you've done something bad (tm) |
| 15:30.09 | cyrax | abrotman, :D |
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| 15:30.13 | abrotman | !info libgnome-keyring0 experimental |
| 15:30.13 | xorandor | where can i find list of supported devices, for example, notebooks? |
| 15:30.18 | rodge | mwilson, the module pdc202xx_new (which I guess is the one for FasttrackTX2) is loaded. I looked up the major number 114 in the kernel-doc. I created the device-nodes. What am I missing? |
| 15:30.24 | kisuki | j #debian-br-cdd |
| 15:30.33 | abrotman | cyrax: or dpkg(bot) is out of date |
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| 15:30.48 | abrotman | ah .. and he is |
| 15:31.01 | rosminet | Hello, it dpkeg-reconfigure xserver-free86 does not change anything in X86Config ... anybody know why ? |
| 15:31.08 | abrotman | cyrax: you're on x86 ? |
| 15:31.20 | xorandor | help, where can i find list of official supported devices, for example, notebooks? |
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| 15:31.29 | cyrax | abrotman, yeah I am x86 |
| 15:31.31 | abrotman | rosminet: md5 is out of whack |
| 15:31.39 | abrotman | !tell rosminet about xmd5 |
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| 15:32.54 | rosminet | hum, ok, chank you :) |
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| 15:33.39 | abrotman | cyrax: dunno which mirror you're using .. but you could manually download the packages .. and put them in your apt cache dir |
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| 15:33.56 | mwilson | Hm... archivemail... |
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| 15:34.23 | darkfungi | real quick question and I'll hopefully be on my way... I am trying to install kde3.4 in userspace on a woody server. I'm having difficulties finding any kde packages (pref. 3.4). Is there some special place I could find them, or did kde 3.4 forget "woody"? |
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| 15:34.27 | cyrax | I want to uninstall just the libgnome-keyring0 and then install an older version. How Do I do this? |
| 15:34.38 | zap_ | anyone knows how to set the sound device for firefox? |
| 15:34.52 | zap_ | cyrax: you could use aptiture |
| 15:34.58 | zap_ | cyrax: aptitude |
| 15:35.01 | jim | firefox doesn't make sound on its own |
| 15:35.12 | zap_ | jim: it uses oss |
| 15:35.17 | mwilson | zap_: Firefox doesn't have a sound device. |
| 15:35.18 | jim | as far as I know, it spawns other things to make sound |
| 15:35.33 | zap_ | it uses the wrong sound card |
| 15:35.38 | zap_ | so i need to set it somehow |
| 15:35.48 | jim | zap_: find out more definitively what "it" is |
| 15:36.11 | jim | more than likely it will be some external program |
| 15:36.23 | zap_ | jim: flash plugin |
| 15:36.25 | mwilson | Look up "contraction" in the dictionary. |
| 15:36.27 | jim | once you find it, set the parameters on that |
| 15:36.37 | FieldySnuts | IRC users don't know what a dictionary is |
| 15:36.38 | chealer | wow, man syslogd has more than anyone could want about "Sucker rod" |
| 15:36.40 | jim | what new moms do |
| 15:36.48 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 15:37.01 | mwilson | Oh, that's easy. Remove flash. Then... oh, wait, there is no step two. |
| 15:37.23 | zap_ | mwilson: i don't see any point in your reasoning but ok |
| 15:37.54 | jim | zap_: so configure the flash plugin to use the alsa device (btw, do you want to move to alsa and forget about everything oss? OR do you want to have alsa do oss emu?) |
| 15:38.12 | chealer | kde 3.4 on woody...ugh |
| 15:38.21 | chealer | darkfungi: ask #debian-kde |
| 15:38.29 | mwilson | zap_: Easy. Flash is worthless... don't bother with it. Whether a site uses Flash or not is a good measure of whether it's worth bothering with at all. The more use it makes of Flash, the less likely it is that the site is even worth a mention. |
| 15:38.30 | zap_ | jim: firefox (and the plugins also i assume) supports only oss |
| 15:38.33 | rodge | Can someone help me with device-mapper for software-raid with a Fasttrack controller? |
| 15:38.52 | zap_ | mwilson: i don't share this point of view |
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| 15:39.21 | zap_ | jim: i am using alsa + oss emu |
| 15:39.21 | jim | device-mapper can do raid? that's new |
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| 15:39.28 | Wyzard | rodge: Software RAID isn't done with the device mapper |
| 15:39.31 | stefan__ | which package besides "locales" changes the env LANGUAGE? |
| 15:39.44 | Wyzard | rodge: and the fact that the drives are on a FastTrak controller is irrelevant btw |
| 15:39.53 | jim | zap_: then it ought to work... what's not working? what's it doing that makes you see/think it's broken? |
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| 15:40.14 | zap_ | jim: it uses the other sound card (i have two ... in fact 3) |
| 15:40.21 | jim | zap_: but my other question is do you want to emu? |
| 15:40.24 | jim | ohh |
| 15:40.38 | jim | so that's a driver config issue |
| 15:40.47 | rodge | Wyzard, ok I see. But I found a redhat package called dmraid for some kind of devicemapping |
| 15:40.54 | zap_ | my /dev/dsp link is correct |
| 15:40.57 | jim | maybe you have to tell the emu to use a different sound card |
| 15:41.01 | zap_ | firefox does not seem to use it |
| 15:41.04 | jim | yes, I have no doubt of tha |
| 15:41.09 | mwilson | Wyzard: More likely what he hasn't gotten around to telling anyone is that he thinks he should be using ataraid or some other such silliness. |
| 15:41.24 | cyrax | how do I force apt-get to uninstall a package without uninstalling the dependencies |
| 15:41.35 | zap_ | jim: hm, i don't understand what you mean by "tell the emu to use a different sound card" |
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| 15:41.48 | sith__ | hi |
| 15:41.49 | mwilson | cyrax: You don't. |
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| 15:41.54 | sith__ | im gdling xandros |
| 15:41.56 | cyrax | oho mwilson |
| 15:42.01 | jim | zap_: maybe the emu is pointed at the sound card you don't want to use |
| 15:42.03 | sith__ | is it compatible with ndiswrapper? |
| 15:42.14 | FieldySnuts | ask them? |
| 15:42.19 | sith__ | i did |
| 15:42.19 | cyrax | I want to install a previous version of a library. mwilson any idea? |
| 15:42.20 | Wyzard | rodge: The DM supports striping and mirroring so I guess it'd be possible to do something akin to RAID0 and RAID1 with it, but that's not the way it's usually done |
| 15:42.29 | Wyzard | rodge: apt-get install mdadm |
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| 15:42.34 | zap_ | jim: i thought you mean the alsa oss emulation by "emu" but i does not seem so .. what do you mean by "emu" |
| 15:42.53 | jim | zap_: you're right, that's what I mean |
| 15:43.11 | jim | the snd-oss-* modules |
| 15:43.11 | zap_ | jim: but alsa oss emu is "just there". it cannot be controlled apart from dsp_map |
| 15:43.29 | rodge | Wyzard, I already installed mdadm. I just need to access my old RAID array |
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| 15:43.37 | Wyzard | rodge: You have an existing array? |
| 15:43.41 | jim | then maybe it's better if you dump the emu, but that has to be your call |
| 15:43.42 | zap_ | jim: basically there are several /dev/dsp devices |
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| 15:44.07 | rodge | Wyzard, yes, the array exists |
| 15:44.13 | zap_ | jim: i'll have a look ... thanks for your time |
| 15:44.15 | Wyzard | rodge: How was it created? |
| 15:44.16 | gUnN | hi all |
| 15:44.26 | sith__ | HELLO |
| 15:44.31 | jim | zap_: sure |
| 15:44.34 | jim | MELLO |
| 15:44.39 | sith__ | CAN SOMEONE HELOP ME |
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| 15:44.44 | rodge | Wyzard: with the FastTrack BIOS |
| 15:44.44 | sith__ | help* |
| 15:44.46 | jim | CABRIELLO |
| 15:44.48 | FieldySnuts | with what, spelling? |
| 15:44.50 | minra | sith__: read the faq first |
| 15:44.56 | mwilson | Wyzard: Told you. |
| 15:44.57 | jim | SPELLO! |
| 15:44.59 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Turning off caps. |
| 15:45.08 | Wyzard | rodge: ah, so you're not using Linux software RAID |
| 15:45.09 | hellz | hi, what is ndis-wrppaers exactly? |
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| 15:45.23 | sith__ | it's for your wlan card |
| 15:45.25 | FieldySnuts | something which lets you use non-free drivers (i.e. shit - get real hardware) |
| 15:45.27 | Phated | !ndiswrapper |
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| 15:45.28 | dpkg | [ndiswrapper] a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 15:45.30 | Rockret | hello all |
| 15:45.31 | gUnN | a emulation windows driver |
| 15:45.47 | Wyzard | rodge: I think FastTrak RAID is supported by Linux, but I don't have experience with using it |
| 15:45.50 | caphuso | sith__: you're in the wrong channel and you are annoying. go away |
| 15:45.52 | Rockret | is good idea make install nvidia driver for linux ? |
| 15:45.57 | Wyzard | rodge: Linux software RAID is better though |
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| 15:46.14 | Wyzard | !tell Rockret about nvidia |
| 15:46.23 | nyterukh | is it possible to uninstall samba and remove all the files..and start over again? |
| 15:46.33 | nyterukh | for some reason cant get it to work right |
| 15:46.47 | prodope | nyterukh: apt-get --purge remove samba ? |
| 15:46.55 | rodge | Wyzard, ok. But I have data on it :-) |
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| 15:46.57 | jim | ok, I have a radeon 9600se... where do I start to get dri/drm working with it? what do I read first |
| 15:47.05 | nyterukh | ok and that'll delete all the files to? |
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| 15:47.10 | Rockret | !tell Rockret about nvidia installer |
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| 15:47.15 | prodope | all the files and config files, yea |
| 15:47.18 | Wyzard | rodge: The FastTrak is not an actual hardware RAID controller... FastTrak RAID is software RAID implemented in the FastTrak driver |
| 15:47.20 | nyterukh | thanks brb |
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| 15:47.39 | Wyzard | rodge: It's not as robust as the Linux RAID implementation |
| 15:47.49 | hellz | dpkg: i already own a dlink wireless adapter card, the driver is not there but i got a doc of installing it, |
| 15:47.49 | dpkg | hellz: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:47.54 | jim | Rockret: you can (and should) also /msg dpkg nvidia installer |
| 15:48.14 | Rockret | ok |
| 15:48.16 | Rockret | thanks |
| 15:48.33 | hellz | dpkg: i will do that and in case of any problem, will get back to u |
| 15:48.35 | jim | sure, np... |
| 15:48.38 | rodge | Wyzard: you are right. Nevertheless I am using that array on some other OSs which I may better not name here :-) |
| 15:48.46 | Phated | hellz: Stop. Talking. to. the. BOT. |
| 15:48.47 | Rockret | hell .. i have one ET here in window |
| 15:48.51 | Wyzard | rodge: Ah... well, that sucks :-) |
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| 15:49.45 | Wyzard | rodge: I have a 400GB LVM that my Windows installation can't access... doesn't matter because I rarely use Windows on this box anyway :-) |
| 15:49.47 | Supaplex | !lart the sasl implementation for being such a heaping steaming pile of festering crap, and esp for the poor error reporting and documentation |
| 15:49.55 | Wyzard | rodge: Anyway, I don't have experience with FastTrak RAID, sorry |
| 15:50.09 | gUnN | why when i compile a module i've "module" has no CRC ? |
| 15:50.17 | migma | hellz: in short, dpkg = bot |
| 15:50.19 | jim | when. is. this. weird. sentence. going. to. end. all. you. troubles. and. come. on. get. happy. gilmore. was. a. golfer. said. golfing. is. good. |
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| 15:50.47 | Wyzard | rodge: But when asking for help about it, be careful to make it clear that you're talking about FastTrak RAID... the phrase "software RAID" makes most people think of the normal Linux implementation |
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| 15:51.21 | orangey | hey all! |
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| 15:51.43 | orangey | is there an easy way to send SMSes (pay?), and (even sweeter) receive SMSes? |
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| 15:52.37 | m0r3 | hi all good afternoon :>) |
| 15:52.44 | rodge | Wyzard, ok thank you. I was just thinking that the fact that it is a Software RAID done by the BIOS could be something which is related to some softraid stuff. I was wrong then. |
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| 15:53.09 | phreak | jim: Hmpf, don't hilight gilmore, I though some mentiond Gilmore Girls ;) |
| 15:53.30 | Rockret | how to create one new user with all defaults other one ? |
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| 15:53.34 | Wyzard | rodge: You're right in the technical sense that it is software RAID, but it isn't *Linux* software RAID, which is what I thought you meant when you asked about it |
| 15:53.38 | roler | i am looking for a utility to monitor servers and running processes, etc. if they are not running I want it to email me or notify me somehow. any program like that in debian? |
| 15:53.50 | jim | phreak: happy gilmore girls? |
| 15:54.01 | Phated | Oi, |
| 15:54.04 | jethro | !lart roler |
| 15:54.13 | rodge | Wyzard, ok. |
| 15:54.14 | Rockret | Phated, Oi ! |
| 15:54.15 | FieldySnuts | ass |
| 15:54.17 | phreak | jim: No, just the neutral ones ;) |
| 15:54.33 | Granden | When I installed my nvidia driver for my card and started x I jsut got a black screen and nothing happends, I try to chnage back to Driver "vesa" and then it work so there is some problem with the driver |
| 15:54.34 | phreak | *dinner* |
| 15:54.39 | jim | happy gilmore hermaphrodites? |
| 15:54.41 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Ass! |
| 15:54.49 | Granden | whow do I fix it? |
| 15:54.56 | vIz | Anyone who knows the name of some Browsers for Debian which can be controlled with Putty ? They should have GUI. I can only remember lynx but there was another one with 4 letters i think... |
| 15:55.01 | Rockret | Phated, ass = bunda |
| 15:55.03 | jim | uhoh, they're grabbing each other's ass |
| 15:55.06 | m0r3 | :>) |
| 15:55.09 | m0r3 | yep |
| 15:55.10 | pirre | vIz: links? |
| 15:55.17 | m0r3 | brazilan word |
| 15:55.18 | roler | hmm |
| 15:55.20 | vIz | i only need to know the name |
| 15:55.22 | Phated | links2, elinks. |
| 15:55.31 | Phated | w3m is decent. |
| 15:55.38 | vIz | YEAH, w3n was it |
| 15:55.39 | FieldySnuts | ~start a browser war |
| 15:55.39 | apt | w3m is more userfriendly than lynx |
| 15:55.42 | vIz | awww, tks |
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| 15:55.50 | no_dammagE | vIz: links |
| 15:55.50 | jim | !start an ass war |
| 15:55.56 | Micksa | anyone here grok pg_dumpall on woody? |
| 15:56.07 | Micksa | I CANT RESTORE MY DATA PLS HELP |
| 15:56.10 | Micksa | 8) |
| 15:56.12 | rodge | Does anyone know about a debian package like "dmraid" (this is a redhat package "Device-Mapper Software RAID support tool") to be able to get my FASTTRACK TX2 to run on kernel 2.6? (Last try...) |
| 15:56.14 | FieldySnuts | please don't yell at us |
| 15:56.28 | Rockret | Micksa, sorry about that .. happen with everyone |
| 15:56.40 | jim | Micksa: #postgresql |
| 15:56.45 | jim | for one |
| 15:56.46 | Granden | When I installed my nvidia driver for my card and started x I jsut got a black screen and nothing happends, I try to chnage back to Driver "vesa" and then it work so there is some problem with the driver, what is the problem? |
| 15:56.56 | roler | hmm so no monitoring utilities? |
| 15:57.00 | jim | !annoy Micksa |
| 15:57.16 | Rockret | Granden, I will try install nvidia drivers also .. in a few minutes |
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| 15:57.29 | FieldySnuts | jim: ~ |
| 15:57.34 | Granden | Rockret: okej |
| 15:57.49 | Rockret | you need make backup /etc/ and your /home/ also |
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| 15:57.56 | Jappis | FieldySnuts, from "The su prob" my sudo works, someone said that maybe my pam is "broken" or something, any suggestions? |
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| 15:57.59 | jim | oh, hmm, that's apt? |
| 15:58.15 | jim | ~annoy Micksa |
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| 15:58.20 | Micksa | jim: people on there think postgresql 7.2.1 is an ancient myth |
| 15:58.21 | Micksa | :) |
| 15:58.25 | Micksa | bleagh. I'll try. |
| 15:58.38 | Jappis | and if the pam is fsck'dup any way to make it "default" |
| 15:58.42 | jim | MicksaL did you dump in 7.2.1? |
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| 15:58.47 | karsten | Micksa: It's not an ancient myth. |
| 15:58.48 | Micksa | yes. |
| 15:58.49 | Rockret | Granden, dod you make download of this file "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkg1" ? |
| 15:58.51 | jim | it's not an ancient myth? |
| 15:58.51 | Wyzard | rodge: dmraid will not be useful to you |
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| 15:58.55 | karsten | Micksa: ...it's an ancient legend. |
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| 15:59.14 | Rockret | dod = did |
| 15:59.16 | standa | hi |
| 15:59.23 | Wyzard | rodge: FastTrak RAID support in Linux is implemented in the Linux kernel's FastTrak driver |
| 15:59.25 | no_dammagE | v54 (hello) |
| 15:59.34 | standa | is there som channel dedicated for C/C++ programmers ? |
| 15:59.34 | jim | Wyzard: is dm just for lvm or can it do other things too? |
| 15:59.38 | Wyzard | rodge: Any other implementations won't work |
| 15:59.44 | rodge | Wyzard, but it says it is supporting FastTrack raid sets... |
| 15:59.46 | no_dammagE | standa: ##c++ |
| 15:59.50 | jim | standa: ##c ##c++ |
| 15:59.51 | Rockret | is possible make install drivers nvidia via APT-GET ? |
| 16:00.01 | Wyzard | jim: It can do other things too, like dm-crypt |
| 16:00.06 | Jappis | Rockret, why? |
| 16:00.13 | rodge | Wyzard, the problem is that I cannot find a Fasttrack driver for 2.6 |
| 16:00.14 | jethro | Rockret: /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
| 16:00.18 | Rockret | Jappis, more friendly |
| 16:00.25 | m0r3 | easy from sh installer |
| 16:00.27 | jim | Wyzard: well, like access non-lvm things |
| 16:00.28 | Wyzard | jim: DM is a generic mechanism for creating virtual block devices out of pieces of other block devices, possibly with transformations such as striping or cryptography |
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| 16:00.53 | Wyzard | jim: I'm not sure what you mean by that |
| 16:01.01 | m0r3 | download module-assistant and run it to nvidia kernel modules |
| 16:01.07 | jim | has dm been applied to anything other than lvm (such as software or hardware raid)? |
| 16:01.25 | jim | directly, I mean... |
| 16:01.26 | Wyzard | jim: According to rodge, there's something called "dmraid", but I've never heard of it |
| 16:01.45 | Wyzard | jim: I think the term for FastTrak RAID support is "ataraid"... that's what you'd want to search for |
| 16:02.01 | Wyzard | oops |
| 16:02.07 | Wyzard | rodge: ^^^ |
| 16:02.12 | jim | well you could put an lvm pv on a raid of whatever kind and then use dm on that |
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| 16:02.19 | Wyzard | rodge: and Google turns up http://ttul.org/~rrsadler/linux-promise/ |
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| 16:02.59 | Wyzard | jim: yep... LVM on top of RAID works fine |
| 16:03.11 | mrwill | what's a good way of tarpitting repeated ssh connection attempts? I'm getting frustrated with seeing brute-force attacks in my logs. |
| 16:03.26 | Wyzard | jim: Just a few days ago I installed cryptsetup and set up my system to use encrypted swap via dm-crypt |
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| 16:03.54 | jim | but it likely won't do him any good since he just has ntfs on his array |
| 16:04.06 | m0r3 | after that (i believe you dowload nvidia driver nah?) go to etc/X11 and mark (#) your default-display-mananger ( you will need run sh comand aout of any x ambient) and let the linux do the rest |
| 16:04.14 | gUnN | i recompile my kernel and i've a black screen why ? |
| 16:04.17 | Wyzard | jim: Well, that's a separate problem :-) |
| 16:04.18 | jim | lerol! |
| 16:04.27 | richartcont | hi problems with sm56(winmodem) in my Debian stable |
| 16:04.40 | m0r3 | dont forget unmark your default-sistem-manager to satrt x by boot :>) |
| 16:04.45 | m0r3 | good lock |
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| 16:04.53 | richartcont | con kernell2.6 |
| 16:04.58 | Blues-Man | hi to all |
| 16:05.04 | richartcont | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.10 | Wyzard | gUnN: "I recompiled my kernel" is far too little information for anyone to be able to tell you why it doesn't work |
| 16:05.27 | no_dammagE | what is the proper device for a Microsoft (hit me) Optical Mouse 2.0?(USB) /dev/input/mice allows only vertical movement ... |
| 16:05.29 | Wyzard | gUnN: Framebuffer console with an unsupported driver maybe? |
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| 16:05.42 | jim | richartcont: /msg dpkg smart questions /msg dpkg ask to ask /msg dpkg repeat /msg dpkg research |
| 16:05.51 | gUnN | ahhh yes i 've check this one |
| 16:05.58 | rodge | Wyzard: ok, but since I have a running debian system, I don't think I need a custom boot disk. My system is not on the raid array. And the kernel did load a pdcnew module and it detected the harddrives, but they are mapped as single devies on /dev/hdX. So the dmraid could be the way to go. Am I wrong? |
| 16:05.59 | gUnN | so how remove it |
| 16:06.03 | m0r3 | were are you? Gnome? KDE? |
| 16:06.21 | gUnN | just console |
| 16:06.25 | gUnN | :> |
| 16:06.37 | Blues-Man | I've a question : I would install debia sarge via netinstall but I've a cell phone to connect to internet, a motorola, so I need cdc-acm drivers in the kernel 2.6 or acm in the 2.4, so can I do a netinstall with the phone?is there acm driver in netinstall kernel? |
| 16:06.42 | Blues-Man | *debian |
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| 16:07.12 | abyss | what deos it mean -> http://paste.uni.cc/7453 ? |
| 16:07.21 | Wyzard | rodge: I haven't heard of dmraid, but if it "supports" FastTrak RAID, it's only by reverse-engineering the FastTrak array's on-disk format... I'd trust the kernel driver more, I think |
| 16:07.21 | jim | Blues-Man: sheesh... what kind of bandwidth do you get from the phone? |
| 16:07.32 | rodge | Wyzard, I found lots of infos about ATARAID with Kernel 2.4, but I wish to run it with 2.6. |
| 16:07.36 | Blues-Man | jim: 28kbyte/s |
| 16:07.42 | Blues-Man | in EDGE/GPRS |
| 16:07.48 | jim | Blues-Man: this could be a 12-hour phone call |
| 16:08.13 | Blues-Man | I have this modem :) no dsl there |
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| 16:08.38 | jim | you could probably do it with a netinstall cd? |
| 16:09.06 | shingouz | Blues-Man: what you plan on doing is doable but unless you have a flat rate on the data the bill will be seriously steep |
| 16:09.11 | Blues-Man | yes I would use netinstall cd to install sustem-base and then with the phone download other packages |
| 16:09.34 | Blues-Man | *system |
| 16:09.50 | jim | that could cut your costs down |
| 16:09.59 | Wyzard | rodge: http://blog.wooyd.org/index.php?cat=2 mentions (about halfway down the page) an unofficial dmraid package for Debian |
| 16:10.07 | jim | this is one case when I'd recommend cd images over net install |
| 16:10.28 | jim | and see if you can get one of your buddies to get the images for you |
| 16:10.30 | abyss | nobody can tell me? |
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| 16:10.56 | Wyzard | rodge: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0312.3/0665.html suggests that the 2.4 kernel's ataraid is actually deprecated in favor of dmraid |
| 16:11.10 | Wyzard | rodge: and http://tienstra4.flatnet.tudelft.nl/~gerte/gen2dmraid/ tells how to set up dmraid |
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| 16:11.24 | Wyzard | rodge: all three pages found by a Google search for "ataraid linux 2.6" |
| 16:11.24 | abyss | i have a kind of hardware probelm : http://paste.uni.cc/7453 |
| 16:11.33 | jim | http://paste.uni.cc/7453 does not respond |
| 16:11.49 | lilwade | !tell lilwade runlevels |
| 16:11.50 | jim | at least not for nme |
| 16:12.11 | jim | lilwade: /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 16:12.16 | rodge | Wyzard: thanks a lot. I was always looking for "Fasttrack" :( |
| 16:12.19 | abyss | ok ill try other ones |
| 16:12.22 | Wyzard | rodge: Also, consider putting your files on a separate fileserver machine, running only Linux (so you can use Linux software RAID), which your current system can access via Samba while running either Linux or Windows |
| 16:12.36 | no_dammagE | damn, what do i have to enter in xf86config-4 to get my wireless mouse working? it just moves vertically ... |
| 16:12.39 | jim | abyss: http://rafb.net/paste is one |
| 16:13.26 | shingouz | !tell no_dammagE about drxx |
| 16:13.37 | lilwade | im trying to get into a runlevel with cli.... but runlevel 1 is just single user, im trying to install Nvidia, but its being ghetto cuz 2 3 4 5 are all bootin up GDM |
| 16:13.41 | abyss | http://nopaste.php-q.net/144879 |
| 16:13.45 | abyss | try this |
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| 16:14.09 | m0r3 | no_damage were r u? gnome? KDE? |
| 16:14.23 | no_dammagE | gdm |
| 16:14.27 | rodge | Wyzard: Yes, that would be better. But since I only have one machine above 3 GHz and I got tired about compilation times on my other linux machine, I decided to install Debian on my main machine yesterday... |
| 16:14.32 | no_dammagE | it is X11's problem |
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| 16:14.41 | jim | abyss: that responds... and I have no clue :) |
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| 16:14.49 | abyss | damn |
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| 16:14.55 | mwilson | lilwade: Uh, no, it's doing exactly what it's supposed to do. |
| 16:14.58 | jim | I'm not the only one here |
| 16:15.00 | Wyzard | rodge: A fileserver doesn't have to be fast... mine's a 233MHz Pentium-II |
| 16:15.12 | abyss | i came out off tty1 |
| 16:15.14 | lilwade | well actually i just wanna be in CLI at the moment mwilson |
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| 16:15.21 | m0r3 | try by gnome panel... desktop preferences... mouse |
| 16:15.26 | lilwade | and alt control backspace boots back up GDM again |
| 16:15.29 | Blues-Man | tnx bye |
| 16:15.34 | m0r3 | if not work lets try by xfree |
| 16:15.38 | lilwade | im trying to kill X for a moment |
| 16:15.49 | mwilson | lilwade: <shrug> Switch to a different VC, then, after you put things back the way they're supposed to be. |
| 16:15.50 | jim | lilwade: alt-ctrl-F1 (or any F2-F6) |
| 16:15.52 | Wyzard | lilwade: You don't need a CLI-only runlevel to set up nvidia |
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| 16:16.18 | lilwade | well i need to not be logged into an xserver wyzard |
| 16:16.21 | no_dammagE | i can't access the panel because my mouse only moves vertically (and doesn't do anything else) ;) |
| 16:16.25 | lilwade | im just trying to get out of X for right now |
| 16:16.27 | rodge | Wyzard, thats true... but, (shame on me), I really need the other OS as well, and I want it to run on a striped set. Thats why I am struggling around with that... |
| 16:16.27 | mwilson | lilwade: According to whom? |
| 16:16.40 | lilwade | so i can install this nvidia driver |
| 16:16.53 | mwilson | lilwade: According to whom? |
| 16:16.53 | shingouz | lilwade: ctrl-alt-F2 |
| 16:17.03 | m0r3 | yes u can istall |
| 16:17.06 | Wyzard | lilwade: You can boot normally and switch to the console using the hotkey jim just told you, and then "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" to stop GDM and X |
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| 16:17.21 | m0r3 | after its done u will c the nvida splash up |
| 16:17.34 | abyss | how i can start the netinst from begin to install a 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel-image ? |
| 16:17.37 | jim | ucirmt? |
| 16:17.57 | no_dammagE | ill make it from USB to PS/2 (i don't want to lose time with configuring X :) ) |
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| 16:18.33 | Eulex | !tell m0r3 about u |
| 16:18.45 | m0r3 | yep |
| 16:18.47 | Wyzard | rodge: btw, there's a RFP (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=306257) for dmraid... so it might eventually be in the archive, but for now I guess you'll have to use that unofficial package |
| 16:19.03 | m0r3 | :>) |
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| 16:19.37 | m0r3 | Eulex hi bro |
| 16:19.46 | jim | no_dammagE: often you will have to learn certain things to get what you want from a computer... maybe it will take time to do so, and time spent doing that learning is a good investment, especially if pieces are applicable in other areas |
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| 16:20.18 | m0r3 | jim sure u r in right way |
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| 16:20.37 | jim | wazzau? wazzar? |
| 16:20.39 | rodge | Wyzard: thank you. Since I am completely new to Debian, would you forgive me my next question? Do I have to use dpkg to install a local deb package? |
| 16:20.47 | Wyzard | rodge: Yes, dpkg -i |
| 16:21.14 | Wyzard | rodge: apt-get is a frontend which downloads .deb files into /var/cache/apt-archives, and then runs dpkg to install them |
| 16:21.22 | jim | rodge: and you can try dpkg --help to see its other capabilities and some options |
| 16:21.36 | Wyzard | rodge: oops, /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 16:21.41 | Eulex | rodge, well, you could manually extract the files from it and put them into the places they should be in ;) |
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| 16:22.22 | cmihai | telnet. |
| 16:22.22 | jim | but then you'd probably have to try altering the package database on your machine by hand... |
| 16:22.26 | Wyzard | Only if you manually run the maintainer scripts and update dpkg's metadata too |
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| 16:23.15 | rAz__ | hi, is there anyone who knows any progm to download from newsgroup ? part binaries etc.. thx =) |
| 16:23.48 | rodge | Wyzard: oh well :-) Unfortunately the dmraid depends on libdevmapper1.0 which seems to be an older one than the one from the current dm package. Is it possible to install the old one beside the new one, or should I better use something like a "--force" flag for dpkg? |
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| 16:24.08 | Wyzard | rAz__: There's a whole section of the archive called "news" |
| 16:24.22 | Wyzard | rAz__: http://packages.debian.org/stable/news/ |
| 16:24.33 | rAz__ | thank you mate :) |
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| 16:24.51 | jim | rodge: no, you should get the right stuff |
| 16:24.57 | jim | I smell a ban coming |
| 16:25.15 | Wyzard | rodge: hmm... there's a libdevmapper1.01 but no libdevmapper1.0 |
| 16:25.54 | rodge | shit, its really wanting the libdevmapper1.00 |
| 16:26.05 | rodge | so I try the --force |
| 16:26.11 | Wyzard | rodge: Don't use force options |
| 16:26.41 | Wyzard | rodge: You could try rebuilding the package from its source package, so it links against current libraries |
| 16:26.56 | jim | that ought to work well |
| 16:27.05 | rodge | Wyzard: ok. That seems to be better, thanks |
| 16:27.06 | Wyzard | rodge: (by "source package" I mean a Debianized source, not just download tar.gz and "make; make install") |
| 16:27.20 | Wyzard | rodge: I dunno if that guy provided a source package to go with his unofficial .deb though |
| 16:27.33 | Wyzard | rodge: You should email him and ask him to update the package |
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| 16:28.53 | Harley^ | howdy |
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| 16:29.48 | rodge | Wyzard: there is another package called dmraid-udeb_1.0.udeb Could that be a source package? Is udeb a known name for something? |
| 16:30.29 | jethro | rodge: /msg dpkg udeb |
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| 16:32.21 | rodge | Wyzard: why shouldn't I just use the tar.gz file and compile it? Are there other drawbacks than just the fact that the debian package system doesnt know about it? |
| 16:34.16 | jharrison | are there any ftp-ssl clients other then ftp-ssl? |
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| 16:35.33 | Harley^ | When I do a dpkg -i myapp\* in the first column I see a iU (small i, capital U (I think that is from a partially install application that I no longer want. How do I get rid of the iU |
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| 16:37.13 | rodge | Wyzard: it compiled fine with the libdevmapper1.01. Why shouldn't I do "make install" now? |
| 16:37.39 | netman1 | Harley^: apt-get remove -purge MyApp |
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| 16:38.05 | RedEyess | Hello |
| 16:38.16 | RedEyess | Anyone familiar with Anjuta? |
| 16:38.35 | RedEyess | s |
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| 16:38.59 | shingouz | RedEyess: i have seen it. i do not know how to make it work though but i have seen it. just tell us what the problem is |
| 16:39.19 | RedEyess | I am trying to compile a simple program and want to use Anjuta as an IDE |
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| 16:39.30 | RedEyess | I was wondering how to compile and execute the file |
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| 16:48.15 | bisquit | Oopsi. I tried to make a raid5, and I forgot the /dev/md0 from the line, and it complained about not enough devices, so I was puzzled, and added one missing to the end... |
| 16:48.28 | bisquit | Well, it wrote the darn raid to my /dev/hde |
| 16:48.59 | bisquit | It's all erased now, the array and stuff, I mean... but... how to I "restore" my /dev/hde to point back to the... errm.. actual device? |
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| 16:49.26 | jharrison | mwilson: what church? |
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| 16:49.59 | mwilson | jharrison: Lutheran church I volunteer at. |
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| 16:50.16 | jharrison | mwilson: sweet |
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| 16:51.40 | mwilson | jharrison: I need to figure out a way to get a Windows box to renew it's DHCP lease remotely. :) |
| 16:52.23 | jharrison | mwilson: remotely? |
| 16:52.30 | jharrison | mwilson: through another network you mean? |
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| 16:52.40 | mwilson | jharrison: Yeah, I'm ssh'd into the oBSD box that's the gateway. |
| 16:52.57 | Wyzard | mwilson: I don't think that's possible with the IPv4 version of DHCP |
| 16:53.07 | jharrison | I dont think its possible either |
| 16:53.10 | Wyzard | mwilson: DHCPv6 supports "renew yourself now" notifications |
| 16:53.16 | Eulex | neither do I |
| 16:53.45 | mwilson | jharrison: A box that is supposed to be able to get to the internet gets a static IP reservation... so I go in, create the reservation, but I've got no way to tell the box to get the new IP until the lease expires. Right now they reboot the box in question, but that's annoying. |
| 16:53.48 | Wyzard | mwilson: If the Windows box is using NTP, you could spoof the time to make it think it's time to renew :-) |
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| 16:54.25 | Stereo | or you could ssh into the switch and make it think it's been unplugged and plugged back in |
| 16:54.26 | jharrison | mwilson: this windows box has an ip on the same network as the dhcp server? |
| 16:54.33 | mwilson | jharrison: Yes. |
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| 16:54.41 | Eulex | mwilson: why not just do ipconfig /renew at the box? |
| 16:55.05 | jharrison | mwilson: is the windows client connected directly to the same network as the dhcp server? |
| 16:55.05 | mwilson | jharrison: > 128 are DHCP addresses that can't see the 'net, < 128 (minus some for other things) are static reservations that CAN see the net. |
| 16:55.11 | Eulex | instead of rebooting, that is |
| 16:55.19 | mwilson | Eulex: Because I have to walk them through that. |
| 16:55.33 | Eulex | mwilson, oh, ok |
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| 16:56.10 | mwilson | Stereo: Not all my switches are manageable... yet. :) |
| 16:56.23 | jharrison | mwilson: ? |
| 16:56.24 | Wyzard | mwilson: You could also have them open the connection's properties window, click the Disable button, then the Enable button... probably less intimidating (and easier to walk someone through) than "ipconfig /renew" at a prompt |
| 16:56.28 | mwilson | jharrison: Yes, everything is a simple class C. |
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| 16:56.56 | jharrison | mwilson: oh I thought you said the windows client had to go through some other network to get to the dhcp server |
| 16:56.57 | Wyzard | mwilson: Or just unplug the network cable for a few seconds and then plug it back in... XP will bring the interface down and back up |
| 16:57.06 | maher | if i set up an ssh port forward in a script with ssh -f whatever, how can i turn if off at the end of the script? |
| 16:57.08 | mwilson | Wyzard: They're not XP. |
| 16:57.20 | Wyzard | mwilson: ah... well, 2000 might do it too, but I'm not sure |
| 16:57.29 | mwilson | Wyzard: Most of them are '98. |
| 16:57.33 | Wyzard | ugh |
| 16:57.36 | Eulex | mwilson: ouch |
| 16:57.44 | nyterukh | ok gave up on that for a while |
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| 16:57.49 | mwilson | Hey, I inherited this. |
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| 16:58.03 | Eulex | mwilson, time to upgrade them? |
| 16:58.12 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 16:58.15 | jharrison | mwilson: if everything is on the same network why cant the windows boxes use dhcp properly and renew the lease? |
| 16:58.17 | mwilson | I'm slowly replacing out the non-managed consumer-grade Netgear switches with decent stuff. |
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| 16:58.44 | Wyzard | jharrison: They can, but they won't do so until their lease expires |
| 16:58.47 | mwilson | jharrison: I never said they can't renew the lease. If I add a static reservation, the next time the box renews, it gets the new IP. |
| 16:59.12 | mwilson | jharrison: I want to figure out a way to force the renewal. |
| 16:59.23 | jethro | how is it related to debian? |
| 16:59.26 | jharrison | mwilson: before the expiration? |
| 16:59.50 | mwilson | jharrison: Right. At the moment, I've got the lease times pushed down ridiculously low, but that's no solution. |
| 17:00.05 | Wyzard | mwilson: What I do is just use a fairly short lease time (a few hours) for "unknown" boxes... in my case usually because they're laptops brought by a guest or friends at a lanparty, but in your case it could make "just waiting" for the renewal more tolerable |
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| 17:00.19 | Wyzard | ah... hehe, ok |
| 17:00.54 | Wyzard | mwilson: I'd say deploy IPv6 on your LAN, but I doubt win98 can handle that :-) |
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| 17:00.59 | mwilson | It's not like there's really a lot of LAN traffic anyway, but it seems really silly to me to have lease times < a couple of hours. |
| 17:01.01 | jharrison | mwilson: well with dhcp you would have to set the lease times in the server no the client |
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| 17:01.21 | jharrison | mwilson: unless there is a way to configure the clients otherwise I guess |
| 17:01.35 | jharrison | mwilson: but im not sure about how to do that on windows |
| 17:01.42 | idnar_ | is there something like mrtg that will let me graph the output of an arbitrary command? |
| 17:02.03 | mwilson | <shrug> No big deal, it's just annoying. It's as easy to tell them to reboot a box. |
| 17:02.07 | jharrison | idnar_: cacti |
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| 17:02.15 | Wyzard | idnar_: If you mean graphing data contained in the output, gnuplot can do that |
| 17:02.36 | Wyzard | idnar_: If you mean graphing amount of output vs. time, I dunno |
| 17:02.50 | idnar_ | jharrison: oh yes, that would probably do the trick |
| 17:02.58 | idnar_ | Wyzard: the latter is what I want, really |
| 17:03.03 | mwilson | Gonna try pdnsd next. |
| 17:03.16 | Wyzard | mwilson: What sort of issues? I use bind9 here, but was considering switching to dnsmasq since bind9 is overkill |
| 17:03.19 | jharrison | mwilson: dont like the bind? |
| 17:03.33 | mwilson | Wyzard: Dnsmasq is excellent on Linux. |
| 17:03.50 | Wyzard | ah... just not on oBSD? |
| 17:04.04 | mwilson | Wyzard: And I wanted to use it on oBSD, but the DHCPd side of dnsmasq is unreliable. It stops handing out addresses, and I can't figure out why. |
| 17:04.15 | Wyzard | ah |
| 17:04.30 | mwilson | Wyzard: And it won't log queries. |
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| 17:04.47 | mwilson | Wyzard: It claims it is, but the log isn't anywhere. |
| 17:04.53 | Wyzard | I use ISC DHCPd here, and have it configured the way I like, so I was particularly wondering about dnsmasq's DHCP |
| 17:05.14 | mwilson | Wyzard: I use dnsmasq's DHCP on Linux with great results. |
| 17:05.25 | Wyzard | ok |
| 17:05.46 | mwilson | Wyzard: It doesn't support groups, though, so it's difficult to do things like netboot unless you want all the machines doing the same thing. |
| 17:05.50 | TwistedEmotions | If my computer isnt able to do wireless is there anything like a router or something that I can place next to it and have it be the wireless connection and just connect it through the computer using a lan? |
| 17:06.03 | Wyzard | hmm, ok |
| 17:06.24 | mwilson | Wyzard: You can run dnsmasq and ISC DHCPd together... dnsmasq can read dhcpd.leases and add them to the DNS automatically. |
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| 17:06.40 | Wyzard | mwilson: Oh, perfect... that's what I'd prefer to do, then :-) |
| 17:06.53 | maher | TwistedEmotions: yes - if it does usb just get a usb wireless thingy |
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| 17:07.53 | trave11er | TwistedEmotions: or something like this: http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=432&grid= |
| 17:07.56 | mwilson | Wyzard: Question with ISC DHCPd, if you're experienced with it... it won't add static IP's it assigns to dhcp.leases. Is there an option I'm missing, or does it just... not? |
| 17:08.00 | Wyzard | mwilson: btw, I recently set up resolvconf on my (Debian) router... it's nice because my upstream DNS is theoretically changeable (since it comes from DHCP), and now I no longer have to hard-code it into bind's forwarders config |
| 17:08.08 | TwistedEmotions | maher: no... I want something with a lan interface... something like a router.. |
| 17:08.20 | Wyzard | mwilson: I dunno, I've never tried getting it to do that |
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| 17:08.25 | mwilson | Wyzard: dnsmasq is smart enough to reconfigure itself when resolv.conf changes. |
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| 17:08.51 | TwistedEmotions | trave11er: YES! you sexy basterd.. thanks.. that is exactly what I need. |
| 17:09.01 | teclo | How can I test the speed of SCSI hard drives ? There's hdparm, but hdparm is for IDE only... |
| 17:09.31 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, letting dhclient configure resolv.conf, I'd get entries for the upstream nameservers, but no "nameserver 127.0.0.1" at the beginning to let the router resolve names on the LAN |
| 17:09.37 | mwilson | Wyzard: Yeah, I don't know what's going on with it... addresses > 128 are assigned, and they appear in dhcp.leases... addresses below < 128 are also assigned, they're in syslog, but they never appear in the leases file. |
| 17:09.48 | Eulex | teclo, hdparm can test the speed of ide drives too |
| 17:09.49 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Two-timer! |
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| 17:09.56 | mwilson | Wyzard: Oh, just tell dhclient to add that for you. |
| 17:10.08 | teclo | Eulex: I want to test the speed of scsi drives... |
| 17:10.17 | mwilson | --> prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
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| 17:10.27 | Wyzard | mwilson: That's what I'd done before, but I think the resolvconf approach is cleaner |
| 17:10.31 | trave11er | teclo: something like bonnie? |
| 17:10.31 | maher | teclo: sdparm |
| 17:10.32 | AcuraX | hi |
| 17:10.36 | AcuraX | can someone help me? |
| 17:10.42 | mwilson | dnsmasq is smart enough to ignore that because it recognizes it as pointing to itself. |
| 17:10.51 | trave11er | AcuraX: not before you ask the question |
| 17:10.55 | AcuraX | ok |
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| 17:10.57 | mwilson | Jul 3 09:31:33 plserver dnsmasq[10000]: ignoring nameserver 127.0.0.1 - local i |
| 17:10.57 | Eulex | teclo, and hdparm can test the speed of scsi drives... at least mine |
| 17:10.57 | mwilson | nterface |
| 17:11.03 | AcuraX | i just dled i distro of debian |
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| 17:11.15 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: we both know we cheat on each other... I'm not the only whore in this relationship. |
| 17:11.24 | AcuraX | and it's apt-get sources are differant i want to use the debian repositories how do i add them and find what they are? |
| 17:11.40 | bryan | hi |
| 17:11.43 | maher | AcuraX: what version of debian did you dl? |
| 17:12.03 | Eulex | AcuraX, depending on what you dl'd, you may not want to do that |
| 17:12.03 | teclo | Eulex: ah, ok :) |
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| 17:12.08 | AcuraX | xandros |
| 17:12.08 | mwilson | Wyzard: I'm not sure whether DHCPd *should* be adding these addresses to the lease file, and it's not because I've got something set wrong, or whether it's NOT supposed to, and I'm looking for something that doesn't exist. |
| 17:12.28 | mwilson | Wyzard: The documentation, as I'm sure you know, isn't very good. |
| 17:12.30 | Eulex | teclo: though it can only test the speed, it can't check drive parameters and such... |
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| 17:12.47 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, it doesn't really need to, since all it needs to know about those leases is already available in the config file |
| 17:12.53 | furrywolf | just making sure. :) |
| 17:12.54 | maher | AcuraX: xandros is based on debian but different - you do not want to use the standard debian sources |
| 17:13.07 | AcuraX | why? |
| 17:13.14 | mwilson | Wyzard: Well, it's keeping their expiry time SOMEWHERE. |
| 17:13.16 | AcuraX | i wnat xchat but i cant use it get it... |
| 17:13.27 | maher | AcuraX: because it will break if you do that |
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| 17:13.41 | Wyzard | mwilson: I'm not so sure about that... it's the client's responsibility to keep track of lease expiration, not the server's |
| 17:14.03 | Wyzard | mwilson: The server doesn't care when the lease expires because it's never going to give that IP to someone else, even when the "intended" client doesn't have it |
| 17:14.09 | teclo | Eulex: ok, so I need to do hdparm -t /dev/sda ?? |
| 17:14.22 | mwilson | Wyzard: The server has to know... if box (A) has the lease, the server has to be smart enough to not give it up to (B) until after the lease expires. |
| 17:14.34 | AcuraX | hmm |
| 17:14.38 | AcuraX | so i cant use xchat |
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| 17:14.48 | streuner | AcuraX: how much did you pay for? |
| 17:14.54 | AcuraX | i got the oce |
| 17:14.56 | Wyzard | mwilson: I'm pretty sure it won't offer statically-configured IPs to anyone other than their defined client |
| 17:14.59 | AcuraX | ;x |
| 17:15.08 | Eulex | teclo, yes |
| 17:15.10 | AcuraX | im not spending money on linux |
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| 17:15.50 | Wyzard | mwilson: It's been a few years since I set up my DHCP, so all the documentation isn't fresh in my mind, but I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere |
| 17:15.53 | mwilson | Wyzard: I think it would depend on how you were controlling the static configuration. If you're doing it by MAC, I'd agree with you. But what if you're doing it by name? |
| 17:15.55 | Eulex | AcuraX, there may be xchat debs for xandros somewhere on the net |
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| 17:16.13 | beginnerMKII | Hi guys I have gone to format a floppy and i am getting "Cannot initialise device, The device /dev/floppy/0 or dev/fd0 is disconnected Please attach device to continue. ???? |
| 17:16.27 | beginnerMKII | What does that mean? |
| 17:16.33 | Wyzard | mwilson: I do it my MAC... you're concerned about a different client using the same name? |
| 17:16.42 | mwilson | beginnerMKII: Gee, probably that the device is disconnected? |
| 17:17.14 | beginnerMKII | Linux won't recognise it ?? it was fine with windows?? Is it something in BIOS? |
| 17:17.27 | maher | beginnerMKII: try mtools |
| 17:17.27 | valdyn | beginnerMKII: it could be deactivated in your bios |
| 17:17.30 | sess | I just apt-get upgraded into unstable/testing |
| 17:17.31 | mwilson | Wyzard: Doing things by MAC gets exponentially more difficult as the number of machines increases. I'd like to have the option of just doing it by name. |
| 17:17.41 | maher | beginnerMKII: ignore me |
| 17:17.45 | sess | my system is like 3 timmes slower now |
| 17:17.46 | mwilson | sess: Into which one? They're not the same thing. |
| 17:17.50 | beginnerMKII | lol |
| 17:17.57 | sess | well, I would say testing then |
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| 17:18.20 | mwilson | furrywolf: Oh, I love DHCP. |
| 17:18.25 | jethro | !sing sunday |
| 17:18.25 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 17:18.42 | Wyzard | mwilson: I don't see how that's the case, since you'd need as many name entries as you'd otherwise need MAC entries |
| 17:18.45 | sess | but when I boot it says debian unstable/testing .... |
| 17:18.50 | sess | very odd if you ask me |
| 17:18.59 | Eulex | beginnerMKII, what kind of floppy? and is there any floppy in the drive? |
| 17:19.02 | sess | but it fixed my problem with the kde menu's not being editable |
| 17:19.06 | mwilson | Wyzard: I can do name-based entries without having to know the MAC. |
| 17:19.06 | jethro | sess: because both share the same /etc/issue |
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| 17:19.15 | Wyzard | mwilson: But if you want it to initially give the IP to anyone with a particular name, and later give it only to the same client (MAC-wise) as before, I dunno |
| 17:19.18 | sess | now of course kde is to slow to use, and Ill be moving to xfce |
| 17:19.19 | Eulex | sess: check yer sources.list |
| 17:19.26 | mwilson | Wyzard: Doing it with the MAC, I need to know the name AND the MAC. |
| 17:19.41 | furrywolf | the debian dhclient / something else setup, if it can't talk to the dhcp server for over some length of time, seems to go insane, and somehow end up with two copies if itself running, arguing over the IP. |
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| 17:20.01 | Eulex | teclo, I checked out sdparm and it didn't do disk benchmarking, so hdparm seems to be the right app |
| 17:20.09 | mwilson | furrywolf: Never had that problem. |
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| 17:20.39 | [jason]_ | Hi there |
| 17:20.46 | sess | I know its bad to mix stable, testing and unstable...but I have all 3 in my sources.list |
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| 17:20.54 | mwilson | Wyzard: The next thing I'm going to set up is PXE. I want to be able to boot memtest from the network... that'll be a good starting point. Eventually I want to be able to boot g4u from the network. |
| 17:20.57 | furrywolf | and in the process of arguing they keep asking for new leases with new IPs, so the IP is completely random when I notice it's died and kill them... |
| 17:21.02 | Wyzard | mwilson: You don't really need to know the name, unless you want to put a descriptive name on the host{} block in dhcpd.conf... you can get the MAC from the leases file once they've gotten a non-static IP, but I guess that's inconvenient if you frequently add entries |
| 17:21.06 | beginnerMKII | What am i looking for in BIOS "Boot device" ? |
| 17:21.07 | [jason]_ | where can I find a tgz of the root filesystem used for installs for debian/mips? |
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| 17:21.23 | Eulex | beginnerMKII, nothing |
| 17:21.48 | beginnerMKII | "Swap Floppy Drive" - disabled.... hmm, maybe that ?? .. |
| 17:21.49 | sess | I assumed the testing version is going to be later than both stable and unstable, so it was likely all my packages were upgraded to the testing versions if available |
| 17:22.00 | sess | those that didn't are probably "unstable" |
| 17:22.05 | mwilson | sess: Why in the world would you assume that? |
| 17:22.14 | maher | sess: that's not how it works |
| 17:22.15 | [jason]_ | any clues? |
| 17:22.26 | sess | well, thats amazing |
| 17:22.29 | Eulex | sess: 3 times slower? I'd recommend to downgrade again, any gains are negligible |
| 17:22.57 | valdyn | beginnerMKII: look in the base setup, where you set the time too. |
| 17:23.22 | Eulex | beginnerMKII, is it an ide of usb floppy drive? |
| 17:23.29 | mwilson | Wyzard: I so wish ISC DHCPd supported the concept of include files. |
| 17:23.29 | maher | sess: why don't you read the docs instead of thinking about how you would like it to work |
| 17:23.53 | Wyzard | mwilson: hehe... yes, that'd be nice |
| 17:23.55 | Eulex | [jason]_, debian does not use tgz's |
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| 17:23.58 | maher | sess: if youwant to use testing put testing sources only in /etc/apt/sourses.list |
| 17:23.58 | beginnerMKII | It is their valdyn Drive A 1.44M, 3.5in |
| 17:24.12 | beginnerMKII | But Linux reckons its not :S |
| 17:24.15 | [jason]_ | Eulex: I know, but I'm wondering if such tgz would be available anyway |
| 17:24.18 | valdyn | beginnerMKII: fine, so the error is elsewhere. |
| 17:24.26 | mwilson | Wyzard: My next fun bit is going to be when we implement the second cable modem on the same wire. <sigh> |
| 17:24.26 | [jason]_ | Eulex: or if somebody could make it for me. |
| 17:24.28 | [ANB]-M1 | i need extat a archive aaa.tar.gz what comand i need ? |
| 17:24.33 | Eulex | [jason]_, probably not |
| 17:24.37 | beginnerMKII | Any idea ? .. |
| 17:24.40 | Wyzard | mwilson: A multi-homed network? |
| 17:24.41 | maher | [ANB]-M1: tar zvfz |
| 17:24.45 | valdyn | beginnerMKII: like at the cabling or whatever, im sure linux doesnt "miss" standard bios floppy drives. |
| 17:24.50 | maher | beginnerMKII: what kernel |
| 17:25.01 | [jason]_ | Eulex: what's your suggestion then |
| 17:25.01 | Wyzard | mwilson: Are you going to be doing load-balancing or something? |
| 17:25.02 | maher | [ANB]-M1: tar xvfz |
| 17:25.15 | Eulex | [jason]_, well, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 17:25.30 | [jason]_ | Eulex: it's a really long story... |
| 17:25.31 | [ANB]-M1 | maher tar xvfz webmin-1.210.tar.gz |
| 17:25.31 | [ANB]-M1 | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 17:25.34 | beginnerMKII | Oh i am not sure, i am new to linux, i am trying to install drivers for modem so to get internet connection, but cant put drivers on from floppy without floppy drive working :/ |
| 17:25.38 | beginnerMKII | lol |
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| 17:26.01 | mwilson | Wyzard: I'm not sure what I'm going to do, yet... the school side gets free cable internet, the church side doesn't have internet at all. They're all riding on the same wire internally, hence the trickery with the DHCPd to assign static IP's to those that can get out onto the 'net. Now they're going to do a pay-for cable modem for the church side, but they're still all going to be riding on the same wire. |
| 17:26.04 | [jason]_ | Eulex: basically, I have to dump a debian install root fs on a nfs server to boot, initrd doesn't work for me. |
| 17:26.15 | maher | [ANB]-M1: what does file webmin-1.210.tar.gz say? btw why not use apt-get or something to install webmin |
| 17:26.16 | Wyzard | mwilson: ah, I see |
| 17:26.37 | Wyzard | mwilson: vlans would be a cleaner solution to that, I think |
| 17:26.40 | shingouz | beginnerMKII: what kind of a modem do you have? |
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| 17:26.41 | valdyn | [ANB]-M1: download it again and get the complete / real file. |
| 17:26.44 | mwilson | Wyzard: I thought about that. |
| 17:26.48 | sess | maher: so you think I just upgraded into a jumbled mess of stable, unstable, and testing packages? |
| 17:27.12 | Wyzard | mwilson: though if the two sets of clients are actually mixed together on the same cabling, I guess you'd have to configure each one to use the right vlan |
| 17:27.15 | sess | I really thought that apt would intelligently look through my source cache and upgrade packages that were older to the newest avaialable version |
| 17:27.22 | mwilson | Wyzard: I was thinking about just doing another gateway, and controlling which machine used which gateway via the DHCPd. |
| 17:27.31 | sess | without breaking dependencies |
| 17:27.33 | maher | sess: you ended up with unstable packages probably - unless you did something clever... |
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| 17:28.01 | maml | hello |
| 17:28.08 | valdyn | sess: there's plenty stuff broken in unstable, that does not require broken deps at all. |
| 17:28.09 | maher | sess: try using apt-show-versions |
| 17:28.17 | beginnerMKII | I suppose i could put drivers on CD, but that kinda defeats the object |
| 17:28.19 | beginnerMKII | lol |
| 17:28.21 | mwilson | Wyzard: Since the internal machines *all* need to be able to see each other, I'm not sure of an easier way to do it. |
| 17:28.32 | maml | how can i skip a disk check on startup ? |
| 17:28.45 | [jason]_ | Eulex: I'm sure a copy of the root fs is stored somewhere where I can use it for my root nfs server, don't you think |
| 17:28.47 | valdyn | maml: man tune2fs |
| 17:28.53 | Eulex | [jason]_, hmm.... thing is, the things that the debian installer installs ain't just a "root fs"... it creates the filesystem by installing the base packages |
| 17:28.57 | trave11er | sess: if you want to run selected packages from other other distro, read on apt pinning, man apt_preferences |
| 17:29.14 | [jason]_ | Eulex: I know, what I need are the contents of the initrd |
| 17:29.20 | [jason]_ | Eulex: that's really all |
| 17:29.26 | sess | whoa, mostly testing, a few unstables in the list |
| 17:29.39 | sess | result of apt-show-versions |
| 17:29.41 | [jason]_ | Eulex: basically: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-mips/current/images/sb1-swarm-bn/netboot/initrd.list on a filesystem. |
| 17:29.46 | beginnerMKII | Cool! it worked, it was BIOS, thanks valdyn :-) |
| 17:29.56 | maher | sess: if you really want to be on testing put testing sources only in sources.list and manually downgrade the unstable packages |
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| 17:30.00 | [jason]_ | Eulex: and ready to be installed. |
| 17:30.07 | Eulex | [jason]_, you could try downloading the kernel image deb, extract it, and then do whatever to the initrd |
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| 17:30.13 | maml | valdyn, thank you. |
| 17:30.22 | sess | maher: unstable is newer than testing? |
| 17:30.27 | maher | sess: yes |
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| 17:30.36 | [jason]_ | Eulex: I tried, unfortunately, my current workstatin can't loopback mount a romfs image |
| 17:30.38 | Wyzard | mwilson: You could avoid having to configure each client for the correct vlan by using bridges which use a vlan on the side connected to the router, and no vlan on the side connected to the clients (if the clients on that segment are all of the same type) |
| 17:30.38 | mwilson | Wyzard: The way things are going, I'm going to end up with all the machines having static DHCP reservations, in which case I might as well be configuring each one locally. |
| 17:30.51 | Wyzard | mwilson: and if you don't have lots of traffic, the two groups of clients could just talk to each other through the router |
| 17:30.58 | [jason]_ | Eulex: unless there's a userland romfs dumper |
| 17:31.03 | [jason]_ | Eulex: but I doubt ti |
| 17:31.26 | [jason]_ | Eulex: as you probably understood by now, I plan to install deb on a non supported architecture |
| 17:31.48 | [jason]_ | Eulex: I have a kernel working, so I'm almost ready to go, initrd don't work fine on this architecture at this point, so it's nfs root only |
| 17:32.14 | Wyzard | Wow, someone actually found a machine of an architecture that isn't supported by Debian? :-) |
| 17:32.15 | mwilson | Wyzard: One of my big problems right now is that due to the existing topology, anything I do structurally pretty much has to be in software, since the split isn't in the MPOE. |
| 17:32.24 | Eulex | [jason]_, hmm... what about creating a a small partition and then writing the romfs to it with dd... and then mounting it (it's unsecure, but it may work) |
| 17:32.30 | Wyzard | mwilson: ugh :-) |
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| 17:32.39 | [jason]_ | Eulex: that's probably possible. |
| 17:32.43 | [jason]_ | Eulex: hm |
| 17:33.10 | TwistedEmotions | wtf does exim do? |
| 17:33.14 | TwistedEmotions | !exim |
| 17:33.14 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 17:33.24 | mwilson | Wyzard: The cable inputs and the gateway are in the MPOE, but the connection point between the two halves of the network (school and church) is 100 ft away in another building. |
| 17:33.27 | [jason]_ | Eulex: thing is that I don't have romfs on this workstation, and I'm not root. |
| 17:33.41 | Wyzard | mwilson: I think I'd probably prefer to just add a MAC entry for every host on the DHCP server, and deny unknown clients... it's not as bad as individually configuring every client, because at least all the information is centralized in one place |
| 17:33.41 | [jason]_ | Eulex: therefore I won't be able to mount the newly created filesystem |
| 17:33.47 | mwilson | Wyzard: It's a real mess. |
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| 17:35.07 | choti | buenas |
| 17:35.18 | Eulex | [jason]_, hmm... you can't do it on another system? extracting that thing can be done on any architecture, I think |
| 17:35.26 | choti | chanel debian espaol |
| 17:35.29 | choti | ??? |
| 17:35.29 | Eulex | !es |
| 17:35.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:35.33 | [jason]_ | Eulex: I wish I had one around that knows romfs man... |
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| 17:35.46 | maml | Actually, i want to skip the e2fsck on startup, are you sure i have to use tune2fs ? |
| 17:35.48 | [jason]_ | Eulex: but it's not the case, hence I was asking for a tgz version of it |
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| 17:35.57 | [jason]_ | Eulex: I mean, someone has to have it |
| 17:35.58 | mwilson | Wyzard: Until I get all the switches changed out for something with some intelligence, I can't do much structurally, so I'll probably end up as you say, doing everything on the DHCPd. |
| 17:36.25 | nyterukh | hi eulex an all |
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| 17:36.28 | [jason]_ | Eulex: otherwise they wouldn't be able to update the installer... |
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| 17:36.37 | [jason]_ | Eulex: it must be around somewhere... |
| 17:36.40 | Eulex | [jason]_, if I had had a mips I could've helped you |
| 17:36.49 | Eulex | [jason]_, you could try asking the devs |
| 17:36.51 | TwistedEmotions | There is no way to use mutt without installing exim? |
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| 17:36.54 | Eulex | nyterukh, lo |
| 17:36.55 | TwistedEmotions | Fawq... |
| 17:36.59 | trave11er | [jason]_: mkinitrd probably creates directory structure somewhere and then turns it into cramfs filesystem... you should be able to hack it so that this temporary directory is not deleted, or something |
| 17:37.01 | mwilson | And I *really* need to do at least two new cable pulls to replace some incredibly stupid decisions that were made. |
| 17:37.12 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: why do you think that is the case? |
| 17:37.27 | valdyn | !depends mutt |
| 17:37.32 | dpkg | mutt: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libdb4.3, libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16), libidn11 (>= 0.5.13), libncursesw5 (>= 5.4-1), libsasl2 (>= 2.1.19), exim4 | mail-transport-agent |
| 17:37.42 | TwistedEmotions | valdyn: when I try apt-get install mutt ... tries to install exim4 |
| 17:37.46 | TwistedEmotions | ^^^^^^^ |
| 17:37.48 | [jason]_ | trave11er: where do you think (which package) holds the installer files? |
| 17:37.50 | Wyzard | mwilson: FWIW, I think you can configure dhcpd to recognize machines by MAC (or by name, I guess) without actually assigning a static IP... so you could have one group that matches all the church computers and tells them to use one gateway, and one group that matches the school computers and gives them a different gateway, without assigning static IPs to everyone |
| 17:37.57 | mwilson | valdyn: mutt depends on mail-transfer-agent |
| 17:38.05 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: why don't you already have an mta installed? |
| 17:38.19 | TwistedEmotions | but I dont want it for checking root mail.. |
| 17:38.21 | trave11er | [jason]_: they are not in a package, just on the mirrors |
| 17:38.24 | TwistedEmotions | *just |
| 17:38.27 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: You could use nail... it only has a Suggests on mail-transfer-agent |
| 17:38.32 | [jason]_ | trave11er: another of my options is to get the files while running the installer in gxemul, but that's sucky |
| 17:38.57 | valdyn | !depends cron |
| 17:38.59 | dpkg | cron: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libpam0g (>= 0.76), debianutils (>= 1.7), adduser |
| 17:39.00 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: thanks. |
| 17:39.02 | trave11er | [jason]_: something like http://archive.progeny.com/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 17:39.18 | TwistedEmotions | valdyn: I dont want it... I use GUI for checking mail.. |
| 17:39.30 | Wyzard | mwilson: though I'm wondering why you need two separate cable modems for two separate groups of machines on the same LAN... ideally you'd use just one gateway, and configure that gateway to load-balance between the two modems |
| 17:39.39 | [jason]_ | trave11er: yes, but look in the mips folder, there's nothing but a romfs initrd image... |
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| 17:40.35 | trave11er | [jason]_: http://archive.progeny.com/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-mips/current/images/sb1-swarm-bn/netboot/initrd.gz ? |
| 17:40.38 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: having no mta is a bad idea. |
| 17:40.42 | mwilson | Wyzard: I don't want to load-balance. I *can't* load-balance. The existing modem is barely used. The problem is that (a) the contract for the free internet says that only the school machines can use it, (b) they want internet on the church side. |
| 17:40.54 | Wyzard | mwilson: ah, ok... now I understand |
| 17:41.02 | [jason]_ | trave11er: nothing I can really use in there... without romfs support. |
| 17:41.05 | TwistedEmotions | valdyn: why? |
| 17:41.19 | Wyzard | mwilson: I'd go with the two-groups setup I described a minute ago |
| 17:41.26 | trave11er | [jason]_: will it help if i mount it, tar it and send it to you? :-) |
| 17:41.30 | valdyn | !why an mta |
| 17:41.30 | dpkg | you need an mta because you are too clueless to understand the subtle building blocks of a multi-tasking/multi-user operating system that unlike microsoft does not need a reboot every x minutes because it has mechanisms with which to control system communications |
| 17:41.31 | mwilson | Wyzard: Yea, that's what I'm leaning towards. |
| 17:41.32 | spiorf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.35 | [jason]_ | trave11er: that'd be awesome |
| 17:41.38 | spiorf | ops sorry |
| 17:41.38 | [jason]_ | trave11er: really |
| 17:41.41 | trave11er | [jason]_: one sec |
| 17:41.44 | [jason]_ | trave11er: you rock |
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| 17:42.05 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: for starters, cron cant send you error messages w/o an mta |
| 17:42.10 | mwilson | Wyzard: What's amusing is that the free one is a 4 mbit line, and the one we're going to end up paying for is only 768. |
| 17:42.17 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 17:42.26 | Wyzard | mwilson: I wish I had a free 4mbit line |
| 17:42.32 | TwistedEmotions | valdyn: What is a LIGHTWEIGHT mta? |
| 17:42.45 | mwilson | Wyzard: I honestly gave serious thought to simply letting Cox provision the second line, but not actually using it for anything. :) |
| 17:42.48 | TwistedEmotions | I just dont like exim4 |
| 17:42.56 | trave11er | [jason]_: riight... endianness issues |
| 17:43.02 | [jason]_ | trave11er: oops |
| 17:43.05 | trave11er | can't do it on a pc |
| 17:43.07 | mwilson | Wyzard: And just letting all traffic go through the one. |
| 17:43.09 | [jason]_ | trave11er: damn |
| 17:43.13 | trave11er | hold on, will try on sparc |
| 17:43.16 | Wyzard | mwilson: though I'm considering switching to Verizon's FTTP |
| 17:43.21 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: theyre all quite "light" compared to any gui think you are running, maybe ssmtp is the lightest. |
| 17:43.23 | [jason]_ | trave11er: ok cool |
| 17:43.29 | valdyn | s/think/thing/ |
| 17:43.35 | mwilson | Wyzard: Why Verizon? |
| 17:44.02 | [jason]_ | trave11er: you could probably have reversed the endianness with some dd tweaks. |
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| 17:44.40 | trave11er | [jason]_: it mounted on sparc, np |
| 17:44.45 | [jason]_ | trave11er: awesome |
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| 17:45.16 | Wyzard | mwilson: It's significantly faster than Comcast's service... something along the lines of 15mbit down, 5 up, IIRC |
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| 17:45.22 | [jason]_ | trave11er: I don't need the kernel, just the filesystem, I have o,n32 back compatibility, so I won't be affected because my kernel is n64 |
| 17:45.32 | Wyzard | mwilson: for roughly the same price |
| 17:45.59 | mwilson | Wyzard: But it's... Verizon. Ugh. |
| 17:46.01 | [jason]_ | trave11er: please make sure all the /dev is here too |
| 17:46.17 | trave11er | [jason]_: i just made the tar with -pczf |
| 17:46.18 | Wyzard | mwilson: I haven't had problems with them |
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| 17:46.24 | trave11er | in the root directory |
| 17:46.24 | [jason]_ | trave11er: ok cool |
| 17:46.36 | trave11er | [jason]_: where should i send it? |
| 17:46.37 | [jason]_ | trave11er: that should do just fine |
| 17:46.39 | Wyzard | mwilson: and all I'd need from them is a modem and an IP address :-) |
| 17:46.42 | [jason]_ | trave11er: how big? |
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| 17:46.57 | trave11er | 1.15MB |
| 17:46.59 | [jason]_ | trave11er: bzip2'd ? |
| 17:47.07 | trave11er | gzipped |
| 17:47.08 | [jason]_ | trave11er: jibanes@eskimo.com please |
| 17:47.11 | [jason]_ | trave11er: thanks a lot |
| 17:47.16 | [jason]_ | trave11er: woa, that's a small fs |
| 17:47.18 | trave11er | [jason]_: one sec |
| 17:47.23 | [jason]_ | trave11er: thanks a LOT, really |
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| 17:48.08 | narg | Anyone know roughly how big raw movie output from a digital movie camera is per minute? |
| 17:48.35 | trave11er | [jason]_: sent |
| 17:48.46 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: i doubt ssmtp can handle mail sent by local daemons correctly for you. So i don't recommend using it. |
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| 17:49.34 | [jason]_ | trave11er: didn't get anything yet |
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| 17:50.42 | trave11er | [jason]_: bah, my server does not allow me to relay anymore |
| 17:50.48 | trave11er | [jason]_: one sec |
| 17:51.03 | [jason]_ | trave11er: oops |
| 17:51.22 | nyterukh | what you all talking about? |
| 17:51.53 | deadlink | why my debian does not have misc-fixed-medium-r-*-*-18-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 font ? |
| 17:52.06 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 17:52.06 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
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| 17:52.57 | deadlink | fixes is ok but size 18 does not work ! |
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| 17:53.32 | Bac9 | can anyone recomend an addressbook app, something fast, X based and allowing for utf8 |
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| 17:54.05 | valdyn | Bac9: xterm -e abook |
| 17:54.22 | Bac9 | valdyn: that's not quite X based by itself |
| 17:55.28 | Bac9 | valdyn: I was thinking of something like blackbook, but that's gtk1 so no utf8, and I was hoping for something where I can tag contacts so they can exist in different categories simultaneously |
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| 17:55.37 | [jason]_ | trave11er: any luck? |
| 17:55.51 | trave11er | [jason]_: sorry for the delay, i'll just send it to you from work, then try to figure out why this PoS stopped working all of a sudden |
| 17:55.52 | defcon8 | how do i check for programmes that can be updated? |
| 17:55.59 | [jason]_ | trave11er: cool |
| 17:55.59 | valdyn | Bac9: 'apt-cache search address book gnome '( or kde ) |
| 17:56.16 | nyterukh | apt-get update |
| 17:56.43 | Bac9 | valdyn: did that, now I am lookign for recomendations |
| 17:56.55 | Wyzard | defcon8: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 17:57.13 | Bac9 | valdyn: rubrica looks nice but it's unfinished so not a lot of things work |
| 17:57.52 | Bac9 | valdyn: as an aside 'packagesearch' is a nice app for searching through the archive |
| 17:57.56 | trave11er | [jason]_: sent |
| 17:58.23 | [jason]_ | trave11er: didn't get it yet |
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| 17:58.48 | trave11er | [jason]_: in transit :-) |
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| 17:59.03 | nyterukh | bbl |
| 17:59.04 | Bac9 | valdyn: also dlume looks nice but no grouping available :-( |
| 17:59.11 | [jason]_ | trave11er: got it |
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| 17:59.14 | [jason]_ | trave11er: thanks a lot man |
| 17:59.20 | trave11er | [jason]_: np |
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| 17:59.24 | Bac9 | valdyn: so I was hoping someone knew something I wasn't able to find |
| 17:59.37 | [jason]_ | trave11er: great! |
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| 18:00.24 | defcon8 | Wyzard, but i only want to see the programmes that need updated. not update all of them. does it work that way? ill try |
| 18:00.49 | Wyzard | defcon8: Well, it gives a list and asks if you want to continue, so you can say no |
| 18:01.13 | defcon8 | ok thanks Wyzard |
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| 18:01.38 | Wyzard | defcon8: If you want to install just one of the updates, "apt-get install <packagename>" will install the latest version |
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| 18:01.52 | blasty | hm.. what is a good small BMP editor ? |
| 18:01.58 | Wyzard | defcon8: The usual practice is to install all updates, though |
| 18:02.01 | defcon8 | yeah cheers Wyzard |
| 18:02.05 | defcon8 | yeah i may do that |
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| 18:04.42 | trave11er | crap, if it broke because i've updated postfix, someone is going to get hurt |
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| 18:06.28 | trave11er | hm, postfix-tls got removed somehow |
| 18:06.30 | trave11er | interesting |
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| 18:07.58 | [Granger] | is there a command to change the gid of a user? |
| 18:08.06 | [Granger] | without editing /etc/passwd? |
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| 18:08.56 | defcon8 | [Granger], just edit it dude |
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| 18:10.01 | Evil_Pink_Robot | hi guys, what's a good program to auto-generate phot albums and post them on your website? |
| 18:10.29 | [Granger] | hmm |
| 18:10.35 | [Granger] | defcon8: know how to add a group? |
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| 18:10.43 | [Granger] | seem to be having trouble with the command syntax |
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| 18:11.04 | Supaplex | how do I browse my cache in konqueror? lists.parisc-linux.org is offline :-/ |
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| 18:15.05 | nvz | Evil_Pink_Robot: gallery, galery, igal, lib-apache-gallery-perl, |
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| 18:18.29 | mwilson | If a package depends on an unavailable package, is that serious, or grave? |
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| 18:20.06 | redge- | what is the name of the ntp package, i need to install this so i can syncronize clock with net server? i tried apt0get install ntp, without any luck |
| 18:20.40 | concept10 | How do I edit the mailto: links from firefox to thunderbird? |
| 18:20.46 | asuffield | mwilson: who cares? pick one |
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| 18:21.24 | Eulex | concept10, eh? edit them? the links are stored on the web server! |
| 18:21.30 | asuffield | the distinction between the RC severities is almost totally uninteresting |
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| 18:22.14 | nvz | mwilson: severe: is a severe violation of Debian policy (roughly, it violates a "must" or "required"directive), or, in the package maintainer's opinion, makes the package unsuitable for release. grave: makes the package in question unusable or mostly so, or causes data loss, or introduces a security hole allowing access to the accounts of users who use the package. |
| 18:22.27 | nvz | mwilson: s/severe/serious/ |
| 18:22.50 | concept10 | Eulex, my basic problem: When I try to email someone, Thunderbird tries to open another profile instead of using the already opened app, uderstand? |
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| 18:23.22 | mwilson | Ok, that's better. |
| 18:23.28 | nvz | According to Debian -- Debian BTS - developer info (p3 of 9) "Severity Levels" |
| 18:23.30 | Eulex | concept10, I understand... and I dunno how to fix it.... maybe you could ask some thunderbird mailing list? |
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| 18:23.42 | nvz | mwilson: seems like serious to me |
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| 18:24.01 | mwilson | Install all its build-deps, and it builds, but the package should be smart enough to realize that the build failed, and not just produce a deb without the binary in it. |
| 18:24.18 | Eulex | heh |
| 18:24.20 | nyterukh | mm |
| 18:24.26 | nyterukh | just checking out fluxbox |
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| 18:25.52 | nyterukh | its ok..got to get used to it |
| 18:26.46 | foobus | I couldn't see the unsatisfied dependencies, if any |
| 18:27.14 | foobus | it was all KDE stuff, which I don't really use any of except k3b |
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| 18:27.33 | nyterukh | anyone here |
| 18:27.52 | nvz | -!- There is no such nick anyone |
| 18:28.01 | nvz | nope, /whois anyone |
| 18:28.08 | nyterukh | lol hi nvz. |
| 18:28.19 | nyterukh | ok i downloaded a theme for fluxbox how do i install it |
| 18:28.30 | nvz | not anymore.. after all the spaghetti, meatballs and garlic toast |
| 18:28.46 | nyterukh | first time im using flux |
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| 18:30.22 | Neoalex | how do I change the driver X uses |
| 18:30.32 | nvz | Neoalex: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:30.52 | rAz__ | or edit /etc/X11/XF86-config-4 as root |
| 18:31.03 | nvz | rAz__: don't recommend that to people |
| 18:31.08 | rAz__ | ah.. |
| 18:31.23 | rAz__ | sorry it s like that we learnt me :) |
| 18:31.29 | nvz | rAz__: first of all its the wrong filename, second it prevents them from using debconf to do it in the future |
| 18:31.35 | rAz__ | file editing |
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| 18:31.40 | rAz__ | sure. : ) mistake |
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| 18:31.52 | rAz__ | bad fingers. |
| 18:32.35 | nvz | rAz__: if'n you ever tell someone to do that you would say to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, then you would also tell them to md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum afterward |
| 18:33.27 | nvz | rAz__: however its still not really a good idea to recommend that without someone asking for it. the debconf way is the debian-way. |
| 18:34.30 | nyterukh | how do i open a tar bz file |
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| 18:35.03 | Zerohero | nyterukh: tar jxf <file> |
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| 18:35.15 | nyterukh | ok. |
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| 18:36.07 | tetsuo | hi all |
| 18:36.07 | foobus | geil. :) |
| 18:36.54 | tetsuo | does anybody knows wich package allows mounting of ntfs filesystem in sarge? |
| 18:36.59 | nyterukh | hrm |
| 18:37.30 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
| 18:37.32 | js_ | tetsuo: a kernel with the ntfs module in it, which the default kernel has |
| 18:37.46 | nanok | tetsuo: kernel module (you have it, if it is a debian "stock kernel"), and mount |
| 18:37.51 | nanok | is enough for RO |
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| 18:40.27 | foobus | recommend a cheap, robust laptop for the neighbors? |
| 18:40.35 | petemc | dell! |
| 18:40.40 | foobus | no |
| 18:40.44 | nvz | :) |
| 18:40.48 | nvz | foobus: good man :) |
| 18:40.54 | foobus | no dell will be recommended here... |
| 18:41.07 | petemc | im aware of your stance.. |
| 18:41.15 | foobus | baited! |
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| 18:41.22 | transgress | foobus: my hp pavilion was pretty cheap and i lurv it |
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| 18:41.46 | nvz | transgress: you apperently didnt run linux on it, or didnt have to put it on yourself |
| 18:41.47 | foobus | ibm occupies "best" position... I'm looking on the low end |
| 18:41.58 | foobus | fugitsu? |
| 18:42.03 | nvz | those damn compaq/hps always seem to have fucked up hardware issues |
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| 18:43.19 | mmiikkee12 | I'm trying to install Debian with the ISOs on my hard drive, is this possible? |
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| 18:43.44 | nvz | mmiikkee12: yeah, if you have a cdburner and blank cds :P |
| 18:43.51 | Eulex | mmiikkee12, netboot? |
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| 18:44.20 | mmiikkee12 | I have a CD burner, but it doesn't burn except when it overheats... :P |
| 18:44.30 | mmiikkee12 | my modem doesn't work in Linux |
| 18:44.31 | foobus | heheh |
| 18:44.36 | F1rwall | Is this a white-hat channel |
| 18:44.47 | DoppelGanger | F1rwall: is it |
| 18:44.49 | mmiikkee12 | no, this is #debian... |
| 18:44.51 | foobus | it is? |
| 18:44.54 | Eulex | mmiikkee12, ethernet card? |
| 18:45.05 | F1rwall | Well .. any hackers here? |
| 18:45.13 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: you can't use the isos without mounting them. |
| 18:45.31 | mmiikkee12 | I don't have an ethernet card, my modem is a Westell 6100 connected through USB |
| 18:45.33 | foobus | night? |
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| 18:45.35 | nvz | its sunday afternoon |
| 18:45.42 | petemc | sunday night |
| 18:45.43 | foobus | morning! |
| 18:45.44 | fhffhqvb | !sunday |
| 18:45.44 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 18:45.54 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: and you want to run linux on this box? |
| 18:46.04 | nvz | fhffhqvb: hiding from someone? |
| 18:46.18 | fhffhqvb | nvz: KGB. |
| 18:46.20 | mmiikkee12 | yes, tri-booting with Mandriva and Windows ME |
| 18:46.23 | nvz | heh |
| 18:46.37 | F1rwall | I'm tring to make an exploit and my vim and joe isn't executing |
| 18:46.38 | foobus | omg |
| 18:46.40 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: have you already got mandriva running? |
| 18:46.44 | mmiikkee12 | yes |
| 18:47.04 | nvz | fhffhqvb: Kawfee's Gay Badgers? |
| 18:47.05 | mmiikkee12 | it also can't use the modem thogh. |
| 18:47.08 | mmiikkee12 | though |
| 18:47.10 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: you should be able to mount the isos on the mandriva system |
| 18:47.18 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: then install off them. |
| 18:47.42 | mmiikkee12 | I can mount them, but once I reboot... they're unmounted again. |
| 18:47.47 | Pryon | F1rwall: a l337 haxx0r doesn't bother with editors. cat > a.out or nothing! |
| 18:47.47 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: duh |
| 18:48.01 | mmiikkee12 | how do I install without leaving Mandriva? |
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| 18:48.19 | F1rwall | I'm not a l337 |
| 18:48.21 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: you've got the partitions all done? |
| 18:48.31 | F1rwall | I just wanna grow my skills |
| 18:48.39 | mmiikkee12 | yes, I have an empty 3GB partition for Debian |
| 18:48.51 | F1rwall | lol |
| 18:48.55 | ahammond | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.02 | mmiikkee12 | then what? |
| 18:49.04 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: and untar the base package there |
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| 18:49.20 | mmiikkee12 | ok... |
| 18:49.25 | Pryon | F1rwall: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 18:49.28 | F1rwall | Well .. how am i supposed to exploit sites |
| 18:49.32 | ahammond | then use lilo or whatever boot manager you've got to config a boot with the other partition as root |
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| 18:49.55 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: reboot, choose new partition |
| 18:49.57 | nvz | F1rwall: thats not really part of the topic of discussion here |
| 18:50.00 | mmiikkee12 | will I still be able to install packages off the CD's? |
| 18:50.04 | Pryon | F1rwall: what you want to be is a cracker. Please don't use hacker for that activity |
| 18:50.06 | mmiikkee12 | ok... |
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| 18:50.21 | zxc | is there a problem on getting packages from ubuntu into sarge? I mean, I really need libwxgtk (and wxpython) compiled with gtk2, and I've seen some .deb from ubuntu providing it. |
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| 18:50.37 | F1rwall | What is wrong with cracker |
| 18:50.37 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: then you'll have to mount the mandriva partition somewhere, and then mount the isos from there |
| 18:50.45 | nvz | be a real cracker, and join one of the forbidden channels |
| 18:50.49 | DoppelGanger | zxc: compile it yourself |
| 18:51.00 | nvz | see what network misuse gets you |
| 18:51.06 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: this is not gonna be an easy install, you understand... :) |
| 18:51.06 | mmiikkee12 | actually the ISOs are on my Windows partition, does that matter? |
| 18:51.16 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: yeah, it matters a lot. |
| 18:51.16 | pngwn | F1rwall, go away |
| 18:51.18 | mmiikkee12 | better than Gentoo :) |
| 18:51.22 | F1rwall | i will |
| 18:51.23 | F1rwall | later |
| 18:51.25 | foobus | F1rwall, windows has the best cracking tools. Why're you here? |
| 18:51.25 | zxc | DoppelGanger, and stop using packages for wxpython, libwxgtk and all their dependencies? |
| 18:51.34 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: you'll need to create another partition. fat32 |
| 18:51.40 | F1rwall | lol .. |
| 18:51.41 | F1rwall | nope |
| 18:51.45 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: then copy the isos to there |
| 18:51.52 | mmiikkee12 | huh? |
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| 18:52.07 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: linux can't safely mount windows partitions |
| 18:52.13 | Pryon | F1rwall: why don't you cultivate *useful* skills? |
| 18:52.21 | F1rwall | like what? |
| 18:52.30 | Pryon | learning how to operate your editor. |
| 18:52.35 | ahammond | F1rwall: join the perl phalanx project |
| 18:52.39 | mathieu | or social skills |
| 18:52.39 | nvz | ahammond: thats a general and bold statement.. not to mention false |
| 18:52.46 | mmiikkee12 | i automount my windows partion every time I start Mandriva! |
| 18:52.48 | ahammond | F1rwall: easy way to get into stuff |
| 18:52.55 | F1rwall | ok |
| 18:53.04 | ahammond | nvz: hpfs support must have improved recently. |
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| 18:53.14 | Pryon | F1rwall: go to sourceforge.net and look at the help-wanted list |
| 18:53.16 | mmiikkee12 | it's a fat32 partition... |
| 18:53.16 | zxc | so, back to the original question, are ubuntu packages compatible with debian's ? can I install some ubuntu packages into sarge without problems ?? |
| 18:53.31 | nvz | ahammond: windows partitions have never been hpfs, they have historically been fat16/32 or NTFS |
| 18:53.49 | nvz | ahammond: and linux has supported them for a long time |
| 18:53.52 | ahammond | nvz: s/hpfs/ntfs/ :) |
| 18:53.59 | mmiikkee12 | HPFS and NTFS are very similar, aren't they? |
| 18:54.06 | FieldySnuts | doubt it |
| 18:54.07 | ahammond | nvz: horseshit. ntfs write support has always been deeply broken. |
| 18:54.07 | DoppelGanger | zxc: tht is a bad idea compile the libs you want with the support you want yourself |
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| 18:54.13 | Eulex | zxc: maybe, if you install all dependencis you need of them... I've heard of succesful stored with hoary x.org on debian |
| 18:54.14 | FieldySnuts | i doubt HP would use such a shitty filesystem concept |
| 18:54.32 | ahammond | nvz: which is why I'm suggesting using fat32 as a dumpzone for moving stuff between windows and linux. |
| 18:54.51 | mmiikkee12 | my windows partitin is FAT32! |
| 18:54.53 | nvz | ahammond: you didn't say NTFS, you said windows.. and 70% of windows runs VFAT only the latest use NTFS. VFAT is also used on flash media, floppies..etc |
| 18:54.54 | foobus | if ( write.support() == mounted ) agree; |
| 18:54.57 | zxc | I just dont understand why libwxgtk2.5 has been approved in unstable like 2 years ago but there are no packages for it right now |
| 18:54.59 | mmiikkee12 | partition |
| 18:55.17 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate zxc |
| 18:55.17 | apt | zxc: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound kk |
| 18:55.22 | zxc | or 1 year ago i cant recall, i just remember ron's packages aproved |
| 18:55.35 | ahammond | nvz: ok. you're right. I was unclear. |
| 18:55.40 | mmiikkee12 | so... in a nutshell, I format the debian partition, untar the base debs to it, then set up LILO to boot it? |
| 18:55.48 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: ok, so you can mount the isos. |
| 18:55.58 | zxc | FieldySnuts so funny |
| 18:56.18 | mmiikkee12 | almost done downloading them, 94% each |
| 18:56.23 | mmiikkee12 | the first 2 |
| 18:56.34 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: there's a base.tgz tarball on the first iso |
| 18:56.39 | mmiikkee12 | ok |
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| 18:56.54 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: extract it onto the target partition |
| 18:57.06 | mmiikkee12 | unzip/untar that to the partition? |
| 18:57.09 | mmiikkee12 | ok |
| 18:57.09 | [Si]Toad | hi, whats the best place to start with debian |
| 18:57.16 | [Si]Toad | i mean learning |
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| 18:57.30 | mmiikkee12 | [Si]Toad: the Debian homepage |
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| 18:57.51 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: that'll get you enough of the system installed to boot and install more packages |
| 18:57.57 | Bac9 | is it just me or are all good addressbook apps for gtk1? (hoping something as good for gtk2 [need utf8]) |
| 18:58.03 | Neoalex | I have a weird display problem in X, part of the left side of the screen is displayed in the right |
| 18:58.07 | granden | Are there any app for having 2 different wallpapper on my to monitors? |
| 18:58.07 | mmiikkee12 | ok, but isn't the kernel in a seperate file? |
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| 18:58.14 | Scrape | RAID question... I've got 2x 80GB drives and 1x 160GB drive that I want to setup in some form of redundant RAID configuration using the md driver. What would be both a suitable setup as well as sensible and easy to use? I figure the two options are ((80 + 80)/RAID0 + 160)/RAID1, or ((80 +80)/Linear + 160)/RAID1. Would either of these configurations lend themselves more or less to , eg, replacing a bad disk? Ie, one of the 80's fails and I |
| 18:58.29 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: don't recall. you'll have to figure that one out yourself. :) |
| 18:58.56 | mmiikkee12 | I think it's in a floppy disk image somewhere... |
| 18:59.17 | ahammond | Scrape: personally, I wouldn't try raid without matched disks |
| 18:59.32 | ahammond | Scrape: but... sounds neat. |
| 18:59.39 | mmiikkee12 | can I just put my Mandriva kernel in there temporarily, until I get the Debian kernel installed? |
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| 18:59.54 | Scrape | ahammond: :-) That sounded suspiciously like, "Hey, but have fun shooting yourself in the foot!" |
| 18:59.55 | ahammond | mmiikkee12: you'll make quite a mess doing that. :) |
| 18:59.57 | granden | Are there any app for having 2 different wallpapper on my to monitors? |
| 19:00.04 | ahammond | Scrape: uh... intentionally |
| 19:00.14 | ahammond | Scrape: dunno though. it may work. :) |
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| 19:00.57 | mmiikkee12 | ok, i'll try... |
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| 19:02.02 | norton_ | which works best for burning in linux, DVD-R or DVD+R? or are they equal? |
| 19:02.19 | Eulex | norton_, depends on burner |
| 19:02.20 | foobus | granden, not enough details about what you want to do. |
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| 19:02.37 | Stevie | bloody hell |
| 19:02.43 | raf256 | HEEEELP \o/ faast, |
| 19:02.44 | raf256 | how to change Kde START button indo any bitmap (or to windows XP one)? I wanna impress my linux-afraid friend ;) |
| 19:02.49 | raf256 | *into |
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| 19:02.54 | transgress | my burner won't let dma turn on... it hangs up the burner when i do... makes me sad |
| 19:02.55 | foobus | hahah |
| 19:02.56 | norton_ | Eulex: even if its a burner that burns both formats? |
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| 19:03.02 | Scrape | Stevie: I've used both; while I've never gotten this next thing to work, in *theory* you could use DVD+R as a true random access disk using UFS |
| 19:03.07 | Eulex | raf256: you sound like !irritate |
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| 19:03.28 | raf256 | !irritate Eulex |
| 19:03.29 | dpkg | Eulex: HELP ME!!! who uses kde hello? |
| 19:03.33 | raf256 | hehe :) |
| 19:03.34 | Stevie | I'm trying to install Sarge onto a laptop, and the installer is crashing when it starts PC card services :( |
| 19:03.34 | mmiikkee12 | another question: |
| 19:03.34 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 19:03.38 | Eulex | ~annoy raf256 |
| 19:03.48 | raf256 | !bushsmite Eulex |
| 19:03.49 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.53 | ahammond | lart eulex |
| 19:03.55 | Eulex | @annoy raf256 |
| 19:04.00 | FieldySnuts | and ravenbird isn't here |
| 19:04.05 | Eulex | hmm, I seem to remember wrong |
| 19:04.07 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a world war |
| 19:04.07 | apt | The USA will get flattened by China! |
| 19:04.13 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird has annoy but isn't here |
| 19:04.16 | granden | who did wrote to me I cant scroll up and see what you wrote |
| 19:04.33 | foobus | more like a character war |
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| 19:04.37 | Stevie | no |
| 19:04.38 | Scrape | norton_: sorry, I directed that wring... as to DVD-R vs DVD+R I've used both; while I've never gotten this next thing to work, in *theory* you could use DVD+R as a true random access disk using UFS |
| 19:04.44 | Stevie | with as many fat americans as we have |
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| 19:04.46 | mmiikkee12 | basically, what can I install from the first 2 Debian Sarge CD's? Can I get GNOME installed with them? |
| 19:04.57 | Stevie | our sheer [over]weight will flatten the Chinese |
| 19:05.11 | granden | Are there any app for having 2 different wallpapper on my to monitors? |
| 19:05.22 | grendal_prime | whos good with parsing of text? |
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| 19:05.47 | trave11er | Stevie: try booting it with Linux hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false |
| 19:05.50 | grendal_prime | i need some way of parsing some text and adding xml tags to it.. |
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| 19:06.23 | poonj | hey guys.. |
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| 19:06.34 | nanok | grendal_prime: sed and awk are known to be good at it... i would call them "it" though.. |
| 19:06.37 | nanok | :) |
| 19:06.44 | Stevie | trave11er: I'd love to, except I have not figured out how to a *network install* from a PCMCIA NIC without cardmgr running. |
| 19:07.04 | granden | har testat men tycker det avrt fr mycket med grdde goddare med bara mj chocklad och mjlk |
| 19:07.06 | grendal_prime | nanok, ya...sed is nice..im just not very good with it |
| 19:07.08 | granden | oops |
| 19:07.11 | granden | Are there any app for having 2 different wallpapper on my to monitors? |
| 19:07.11 | norton_ | Scrape: ok, so if I only want to burn regular dvds, (im gonna buy a burner), a burner that works with both DVD-R and DVD+R should work fine? |
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| 19:07.49 | trave11er | Stevie: are you booting it from a CD? netinst iso allows you to install base system without network access |
| 19:07.59 | Stevie | okay |
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| 19:08.11 | whiteoctve | is there a file in sarge for aterm that i could input aliases to instead of adding them in each session? |
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| 19:08.44 | Stevie | wtf |
| 19:08.57 | Stevie | it still crashed >:( |
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| 19:09.37 | Scrape | norton_: yes... what do you mean by regular DVD's, however? I assume you mean DVD-R? |
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| 19:09.51 | Stevie | hrm |
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| 19:10.45 | PeTeRB | !wikifaq whiteoctve DotFiles |
| 19:10.46 | dpkg | whiteoctve: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:11.06 | whiteoctve | thank you |
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| 19:11.15 | Jeff_ | join /#mepislovers |
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| 19:11.28 | Pryon | no |
| 19:11.49 | Scrape | Would it make sense to use RAID for backups, or for the main filesystem? |
| 19:12.12 | Cobain | i'm trying to get captive-static all set up and when i run mount -t captive-ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows it just hangs there |
| 19:12.12 | Pryon | If you use the right kind of RAID, you can do both simultaneously. |
| 19:12.13 | norton_ | Scrape: umm, I just mean a DVD with data on it. like a data cd. |
| 19:12.35 | ntrm | Can somebody help me get xmmsw working with the alsa or crossfade output plugins? If I try to play a song with these, it just gives me the "bad soundcard" dialogue box. |
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| 19:13.30 | foobus | !tell Jeff_ about /join |
| 19:13.37 | Eulex | 'lo bloopz |
| 19:13.39 | defcon8 | anyone know a music stream ripper that changes the file name according to the shoutcast song name and possibly encodes it while it dl's into mp3 or ogg or something? |
| 19:13.51 | Bloopz | Hello! |
| 19:13.53 | Fleck | defcon8 kstreamripper |
| 19:13.58 | defcon8 | cheers mate |
| 19:14.06 | Scrape | norton_: Yeah, it'd be fine... DVD-R is the normal one, DVD+R works just fine, and can (supposedly) give you random access, w/ the proper filesystem |
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| 19:16.05 | norton_ | Scrape: I see, but I don't know much about DVD and its writing modes, like incremental burning, and random access write/read. Do you where I can read about it? |
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| 19:17.01 | Scrape | norton_: check out http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ which is the documentation for dvd+rw-tools (which can be used for DVD+R/W and DVD-R/W) |
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| 19:17.19 | Scrape | norton_: between that page and its links, you should be good to go |
| 19:17.19 | zxc | there was a neat tool that monitors "make install" and generates a .deb out of it, how was that called? |
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| 19:20.01 | norton_ | Scrape: have i got this right, with random access write, I can use a regular filesystem on the disk, and mount and use it like a regular filesystem? |
| 19:20.04 | defcon8 | Fleck, it isnt working at all. it doesnt connect but it plays fine on xmms |
| 19:20.17 | Fleck | it works for me ... |
| 19:22.31 | defcon8 | must you tune in with xmms aswell? |
| 19:22.36 | defcon8 | i mean it isnt connecting atall |
| 19:23.09 | Scrape | norton_: let me caveat all that :-)... In theory, yes, you could mount it and use it like a regular disk. HOWEVER... (a) I -think- it requires some kernel patches, and (b) although you could possibly use a regular filesystem, that would cause too many disk accesses (atime, for example), and DVDs can't be written as many times as a hard disk... So, you would use instead UDF, which is designed for things like DVDs. I've never gotten it to wo |
| 19:26.02 | Stevie | wtf. |
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| 19:30.02 | Stevie | eh |
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| 19:30.07 | Stevie | how do I turn of ACPI |
| 19:30.20 | Fleck | remove ir from kernel ? |
| 19:30.23 | Stevie | oh |
| 19:30.23 | Fleck | it* |
| 19:30.24 | Stevie | ther eit is |
| 19:30.30 | norton_ | Scrape: I'll buy a cheaper burner without the random access write, and some other features. |
| 19:30.33 | Stevie | acpi=off |
| 19:30.33 | Scrape | Stevie: lilo: linux acpi=off (maybe?) |
| 19:30.33 | norton_ | Scrape: thanks for the help! |
| 19:30.35 | Egalus | apci=off as kernelparameter |
| 19:31.03 | Scrape | norton_: Check out that site I posted, that should give you good info. |
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| 19:31.22 | norton_ | Scrape: sure, thanks |
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| 19:31.54 | Egalus | can somebody tell me why root when loging in does not process /root/.bashrc ? this way root always has unset LANGUAGE variables ;( |
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| 19:33.01 | Fleck | profile problems ? |
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| 19:35.13 | Egalus | hm, actually it executes .bashrc, but why does locale always tell me "posix" as root and not DE_de@euro like useraccounts do? |
| 19:35.22 | Stevie | well |
| 19:35.26 | Stevie | what does .bashrc set LANGUAGE to? |
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| 19:36.43 | Egalus | hm, i added a "export lang=..." to .bashrc of root and now it works, but why do i have to do it for root and not for normal users? |
| 19:37.01 | Stevie | how does it get set for normal sers? |
| 19:37.10 | Egalus | no idea |
| 19:37.11 | Stevie | my u key is wonky |
| 19:37.12 | Stevie | meh |
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| 19:37.21 | Egalus | root has the same .bashrc and .bash_profile as the users |
| 19:37.33 | mmiikkee12 | hello again... |
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| 19:37.48 | Egalus | so I have no idea why I need to add LANG=... in roots .bashrc |
| 19:37.58 | foobus | Egalus, if something were to be very wrong with extended character set implementation, root would not be affected? |
| 19:38.24 | mmiikkee12 | whoever was helping me before: I couldn't find the file I was supposed to unzip... :( |
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| 19:39.04 | Egalus | foobus: hm, good idea, but maybe a small hint about that "feature" somewhere would have helped ;) |
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| 19:39.28 | foobus | Egalus, it's sortofa philosophy |
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| 19:40.14 | foobus | root is a spartan kinda guy |
| 19:41.02 | mmiikkee12 | who was helping me with my installation question earlier? |
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| 19:41.24 | Egalus | yeah, he is ;) |
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| 19:42.36 | mmiikkee12 | My CD burner is broken and I would like to install Debian with the ISOs on my hard drive. Is this possible? |
| 19:43.00 | Fleck | sure |
| 19:43.01 | trave11er | mmiikkee12: yes, check out the installation manual |
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| 19:44.43 | abrotman | floppy? |
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| 19:46.42 | mmiikkee12 | abrotman: ok, but how do I do that? |
| 19:46.42 | FieldySnuts | scary |
| 19:46.48 | foobus | :) |
| 19:46.49 | doggie | foobus, developers, developers, developers .... i love this company? |
| 19:46.57 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 19:47.08 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 19:47.18 | abrotman | dpkg: hello ? |
| 19:47.18 | dpkg | Hi, abrotman! |
| 19:47.24 | abrotman | !bf |
| 19:47.24 | dpkg | woody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 19:47.27 | abrotman | wtf |
| 19:47.37 | abrotman | !sarge floppies |
| 19:47.37 | dpkg | somebody said sarge floppies was http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 19:47.38 | schrankwand | do anyone use gmailfs? |
| 19:47.39 | abrotman | yay |
| 19:47.46 | linoleum | hello, I dont know why , but I often have problem to burn CD with graveman or gnome-backer |
| 19:47.56 | linoleum | do I need to set something special ?? |
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| 19:48.00 | foobus | someone was asking yday about woody... |
| 19:48.09 | linoleum | I have the stock-kernel and it's working sometimes |
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| 19:48.26 | FieldySnuts | <OT> heh! us$15/hour to be a .NET programmer http://news.com.com/2061-10788_3-5770608.html?tag=ubind.bld </OT> it is cnet, so don't take it too seriously. |
| 19:48.42 | mmiikkee12 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:48.49 | Eulex | linoleum, "doesn't work sometimes" is not enough info |
| 19:48.52 | FieldySnuts | mmiikkee12: someone already answered you |
| 19:49.12 | poonj | I need a 600GB RAID |
| 19:49.12 | FieldySnuts | though I don't think you got any further than "yes" or similar, to be fair |
| 19:49.16 | mmiikkee12 | no... that didn't help much |
| 19:49.25 | poonj | 1TB wouldn't be bad wither |
| 19:49.29 | poonj | either. |
| 19:49.38 | linoleum | Eulex, I can burn CD with the nautilus burning assistant, but it's not working with graveman neither gnome-backer |
| 19:49.38 | poonj | whats the power consumption for a hard drive? |
| 19:49.51 | Bac9 | is htere something like gaby but in gtk2 or Qt? |
| 19:49.52 | FieldySnuts | depends on the drive, they say so on the labels and in specs online |
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| 19:49.58 | foobus | FieldySnuts, it means we should all move to India and enjoy the greater value of the money over there... |
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| 19:50.08 | JoeBaldwin | Hi, where can I get some decent kde .debs |
| 19:50.09 | FieldySnuts | probably |
| 19:50.10 | JoeBaldwin | for 3.4 |
| 19:50.11 | FieldySnuts | nvz: ...... |
| 19:50.14 | FieldySnuts | nvz: evil |
| 19:50.15 | JoeBaldwin | The ones I have are not working |
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| 19:50.31 | nvz | its the microsoft badger song |
| 19:50.52 | foobus | nvz, it exists? excellant |
| 19:51.03 | Stevie | hrm |
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| 19:51.10 | Stevie | csrmit: IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff: |
| 19:51.10 | raf256 | whate teh fuck? |
| 19:51.11 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.12 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.16 | Stevie | bloody hell |
| 19:51.18 | raf256 | ^-- how to fix it? |
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| 19:51.30 | Eulex | raf256, you have to choose and install one of those |
| 19:51.34 | Stevie | how do I exclde a port range? |
| 19:51.46 | FieldySnuts | Merger mania continues, as does the shitty service. AT&T shareholders approve $16B acquisition by SBC. The companies expect to eliminate 13,000 jobs after they combine. heh. www.f*ckedcompany.com is moderately amusing |
| 19:51.53 | Eulex | Stevie, in what? |
| 19:51.57 | raf256 | Eulex: can't |
| 19:51.59 | raf256 | Package sun-j2sdk1.5 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:52.00 | raf256 | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, o |
| 19:52.03 | Stevie | pcmcia-cs |
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| 19:52.22 | Eulex | raf256, I dunno |
| 19:52.27 | raf256 | also: E: Package java2-runtime has no installation candidate |
| 19:52.37 | raf256 | !smite java |
| 19:52.51 | abrotman | so install it ? |
| 19:53.02 | abrotman | add the contrib/non-free again ? |
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| 19:53.35 | danka | hello |
| 19:53.39 | baikonur | what can I do if a packages wants to upgrade itself ever again, when I run apt-get upgrade. can I remove it manually from the upgrade process? |
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| 19:54.04 | Eulex | I think that nemo is also a very sad nick |
| 19:54.16 | Eulex | baikonur, hold it back |
| 19:54.21 | foobus | nemo? I don't get it. |
| 19:54.32 | Eulex | foobus: nemo means noone in latin |
| 19:54.35 | raf256 | abrotman: I cant install either |
| 19:54.37 | foobus | haha |
| 19:54.58 | nvz | its also omen spelled backwards |
| 19:55.10 | Stevie | It's also enom rearranged |
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| 19:55.22 | danka | some folks were very helpful here about getting alsa (sound) to work. I've installed a 2.6 something kernel, loaded all the alsa modules, unloaded all the oss modules, but still no sound. ALSA knows where my soundcard is, and I can adjust the volumne. But no sound. What should I do next? |
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| 19:55.42 | initech | it reminds me of James Mason riding in a submarine |
| 19:55.54 | foobus | hey. |
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| 19:56.00 | abyss | lo how i can unpack the getted kernel-source? |
| 19:56.15 | danka | foobus: and good for them, for there is a living to be made at such things. glad I don't do it. |
| 19:56.26 | foobus | my bro-in-law is an author (among others) of one of those books on .NET |
| 19:56.31 | danka | abyss: what does it end in? tar.gz? |
| 19:56.31 | Eulex | abyss: cd /usr/src; tar -xvzf kernel-source-something |
| 19:56.32 | initech | foobus: fodder for our new bloodsucking .net overlords |
| 19:56.40 | foobus | his picture is on the front |
| 19:56.40 | raf256 | foobus: .NET sucks donkey balls |
| 19:56.47 | abyss | tar.bz2 |
| 19:56.50 | Eulex | abyss, if it's a .tar.gz |
| 19:56.58 | Eulex | abyss, then it's tar -xvjf |
| 19:56.59 | JoeBaldwin | abyss: tar -xvfj filename |
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| 19:57.01 | abrotman | raf256: you can't even get java working .. you don't have much room to talk |
| 19:57.02 | foobus | yes... I have to constantly edit myself when I'm at their huge house |
| 19:57.02 | raf256 | foobus: do not wory, perhaps people will not recognize you as his brother ;) |
| 19:57.13 | Stevie | hey trave11er |
| 19:57.15 | raf256 | abrotman: I do have it working |
| 19:57.22 | raf256 | abrotman: not from the package, duh |
| 19:57.33 | abrotman | cause you fucked it up .. good job |
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| 19:57.42 | initech | danka: phppt. one could have made a better living doing blue collar shit 25 years ago than doing IT crap now |
| 19:57.49 | raf256 | abrotman: no, I cant get that azarus to work, but I dont need it anyway |
| 19:57.50 | tarzeau | IRC SUCKS |
| 19:57.52 | tarzeau | LOL |
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| 19:58.22 | foobus | MS's failed passport is now a component of .NET |
| 19:58.22 | liquid_ | hi, I have a small problem: Mem: 2076860k total but that's not 2Gig. The server has 2G ddr400 reg ram. The kernel I'm using with sarge is: 2.6.8-2-k7 on a AMD Opteron 146 |
| 19:58.26 | liquid_ | Mem: 2076860k = 1,96GB |
| 19:58.37 | danka | or gunzip -c | tar -xf is what works on every unix |
| 19:58.43 | abrotman | liquid_: agp ? |
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| 19:58.55 | liquid_ | abrotman no shared mem |
| 19:59.05 | abrotman | liquid_: are you sure ... |
| 19:59.07 | danka | initech: yes, give me a time machine, and I'll work in a factory. I'd be retired by now. |
| 19:59.24 | liquid_ | abrotman 150% sure |
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| 19:59.33 | abrotman | ok then |
| 19:59.42 | danka | no one has any particular idea about alsa/sound troubleshooting? |
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| 19:59.45 | foobus | that's more than sure... |
| 19:59.50 | irc | q |
| 19:59.55 | irc | quit |
| 19:59.59 | irc | #quiit |
| 20:00.01 | irc | fg |
| 20:00.03 | irc | j |
| 20:00.04 | gravity | irc: /quit |
| 20:00.11 | raf256 | irc: go join GNAA or something ;) |
| 20:00.20 | JoeBaldwin | hooray |
| 20:00.22 | JoeBaldwin | \o/ |
| 20:00.26 | danka | ARE YOU GAY? |
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| 20:00.30 | initech | raf256: man don't mention them |
| 20:00.33 | tarzeau | raf256: what's GNAA? |
| 20:00.33 | danka | ARE YOU A NIGGER? |
| 20:00.35 | abrotman | !tell danka about gay |
| 20:00.39 | initech | danka: STOP |
| 20:00.39 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:00.44 | danka | ARE YOU FROM AMERICA? |
| 20:00.46 | JoeBaldwin | I'm a nigger |
| 20:00.48 | maher | if i have something mounted on /a is there a way to also mount it on /b read-only? |
| 20:00.49 | wiserules | im getting a bunch of errors just trying to install x-window... can someone help |
| 20:00.49 | abrotman | danka: fucking stop |
| 20:00.51 | JoeBaldwin | Damn, I'm from the UK |
| 20:00.54 | JoeBaldwin | Fuck. |
| 20:00.54 | raf256 | tarzeau: they are so retarded they are funny |
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| 20:01.07 | tarzeau | raf256: i know, i teached dpkg, but someone made her forget... |
| 20:01.09 | abrotman | raf256: you can get klined for using that phrase |
| 20:01.11 | Stevie | damnit |
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| 20:01.21 | raf256 | abrotman: yes? upps ok, didnt know that |
| 20:01.24 | Stevie | the networking stuff runs before pcmcia runs |
| 20:01.34 | Stevie | so my nic doesn't get started |
| 20:01.42 | Stevie | how the heck can I fix that safely? |
| 20:01.50 | danka | okay, no help for sound here. blah. |
| 20:01.51 | [Granger] | hmm |
| 20:01.54 | [Granger] | who owns dpkg? |
| 20:01.55 | Stevie | can I start pcmcia services while in runlevel S? |
| 20:01.58 | FieldySnuts | ~ops danka being racist (g_nna tool apparently) |
| 20:01.59 | danka | thanks anyway |
| 20:02.01 | abrotman | [Granger]: why ? |
| 20:02.05 | FieldySnuts | apt: test |
| 20:02.05 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 20:02.06 | initech | the only thing gnaa did worth anything was euthanize slashdot |
| 20:02.10 | FieldySnuts | i tried. |
| 20:02.13 | [Granger] | abrotman: I want to use that infobot script :P |
| 20:02.21 | abrotman | it's not an infobot |
| 20:02.24 | [Granger] | I'm an op in another linux support channel |
| 20:02.24 | abrotman | !blootbot |
| 20:02.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 20:02.30 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: think we could get rid of this danka turd (scroll up) |
| 20:02.41 | nvz | foobus: raf256: even if they do, you could always wear a shirt that says I'm with stupid --> when you walk around with him, or one of them that says "01111001 01101111 01110101 01100001 01110010 01100101 01100100 01110101 01101101 01100010" |
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| 20:02.48 | [Granger] | ah thanks abrotman |
| 20:02.50 | liquid_ | abauer what could be causing this? |
| 20:02.55 | foobus | hahah |
| 20:03.04 | raf256 | with debian program decodes binary :) ? |
| 20:03.10 | liquid_ | err abrotman |
| 20:03.15 | liquid_ | what could be causing this? |
| 20:03.15 | abrotman | liquid_: i already said .. i think it's your AGP .. are you running a 64bit kernel ? |
| 20:03.21 | liquid_ | no |
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| 20:03.30 | raf256 | are you running a 128b one? |
| 20:03.32 | liquid_ | The kernel I'm using with sarge is: 2.6.8-2-k7 on a AMD Opteron 146 |
| 20:03.40 | Stevie | I'm runing a 33-bit kernel. |
| 20:03.41 | abrotman | so use the k8 kernel ? |
| 20:03.43 | raf256 | Torvalds chip is 128 isnt it? |
| 20:03.44 | liquid_ | the memory module? |
| 20:03.45 | Stevie | I got an extra bit. |
| 20:03.52 | liquid_ | is there a k8 kernel? |
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| 20:03.59 | tarzeau | liquid_: not afaik |
| 20:04.00 | raf256 | liquid_: only for 64 AFAIR |
| 20:04.05 | jim | liquid_: maan, even my mom isnt' 128 yet! |
| 20:04.07 | abrotman | liquid_: it's possible you're using the .. uhm .. stupid extendo-magic-memory crap .. |
| 20:04.12 | znx | [Granger]: :D |
| 20:04.24 | liquid_ | rumours said the k7 kernel worked the best with opteron's |
| 20:04.28 | [Granger] | znx: did you get the url? |
| 20:04.29 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k8 sarge |
| 20:04.33 | raf256 | how should I setup an RAM disc of size 32 mb and mount it to /mnt/mem1 ? |
| 20:04.39 | Stevie | okay, how do I finish the installer? |
| 20:04.50 | kunphuzil | Hi, I am looking to install Debian through netinstall but I have a WUSB54G wireless card (made by Linksys, I know, yuck) is this possible? |
| 20:04.51 | foobus | raf256, perl does |
| 20:05.01 | raf256 | foobus: hm? |
| 20:05.09 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 sarge |
| 20:05.10 | liquid_ | abrotman please explain that extendo stuff |
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| 20:05.15 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD64 systems), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-14 (sarge), Packaged size: 12938 kB, Installed size: 45492 kB |
| 20:05.15 | znx | [Granger]: yes thanks.. and thanks to abrotman too :) |
| 20:05.17 | abrotman | liquid_: i can't remember the name .. |
| 20:05.21 | foobus | decodes binary, I mean |
| 20:05.25 | Stevie | trave11er: yo |
| 20:05.25 | abrotman | liquid_: it's what allows 32bit to have 4GB |
| 20:05.28 | raf256 | foobus: oh |
| 20:05.32 | trave11er | Stevie: ? |
| 20:05.32 | abrotman | it's a big damn hack |
| 20:05.41 | foobus | what, Perl? |
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| 20:05.45 | liquid_ | highmem support or something? |
| 20:05.49 | Stevie | trave11er: I convinced my system to accept PCMCIA (after I installed it, I had to turn off one of the port ranges it was probing) |
| 20:05.52 | abrotman | yep |
| 20:05.56 | Stevie | trave11er: How do I restart the installation now? |
| 20:06.04 | trave11er | Stevie: restart? |
| 20:06.05 | abyss | >> You must install ncurses-devel in order |
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| 20:06.14 | abyss | that package exists not |
| 20:06.14 | Stevie | trave11er: But it considers itself finished installing |
| 20:06.24 | Eulex | abyss, apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 20:06.31 | trave11er | Stevie: have you rebooted already? |
| 20:06.35 | Eulex | abyss, those instructions are distro-generic |
| 20:06.37 | Stevie | The installation is over |
| 20:06.44 | dvs | !find libncurses-dev sarge |
| 20:06.50 | liquid_ | abrotman I know the generic kernel didn't show 2Gig but 1Gig. So I switched to the K7 kernel which works fine. The AMD64 kernel doesn't work with the commercial software I'm using on top of the server |
| 20:06.54 | trave11er | Stevie: you've got a login prompt? |
| 20:06.56 | Stevie | yes |
| 20:06.56 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libncurses-dev' returned no results. |
| 20:06.57 | Eulex | dvs: libncurses5-dev |
| 20:07.02 | abrotman | liquid_: i still think it's your AGP |
| 20:07.14 | liquid_ | abrotman I really have no shared memory on this tyan board |
| 20:07.19 | Stevie | And I had to move pcmcia from rc2.d to rcS.d so the card was initialized before the ifpdown stuff runs |
| 20:07.21 | abrotman | liquid_: it's just a 32bit kernel optimized for k8 |
| 20:07.21 | liquid_ | abrotman it has it's own 2Mb ram |
| 20:07.27 | trave11er | Stevie: well, login, configure your network... |
| 20:07.31 | abrotman | liquid_: there's no AGP slot at all ? |
| 20:07.33 | dvs | Eulex: Oops. My mistake |
| 20:07.39 | liquid_ | abrotman tell that to the stupid software vendor and their install scripts |
| 20:07.42 | trave11er | Stevie: then use aptitude or tasksel to install stuff |
| 20:07.46 | liquid_ | abrotman no AGP at all |
| 20:07.47 | FieldySnuts | don't use stupid software vendor then |
| 20:07.49 | Stevie | ah, ok |
| 20:07.51 | Stevie | tasksel |
| 20:07.52 | Stevie | that's it |
| 20:07.55 | liquid_ | abrotman it;s the tyan tomcat k8s |
| 20:07.58 | abrotman | liquid_: so you're 4MB short ? |
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| 20:08.11 | liquid_ | abrotman of the total amount of memory: yes |
| 20:08.20 | yalu | hello! I would like to compare file system performance for different sorts of configurations... what benchmark should I use? I want to run it on a nfs client and measure performance while modifying stuff on the server |
| 20:08.25 | directhex | abrotman, no, the k8 kernels in i386 sarge are 64bit |
| 20:08.26 | Stevie | crap |
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| 20:08.32 | Stevie | I don't have any of the apt sorces |
| 20:08.33 | abrotman | directhex: 32bit userland ? |
| 20:08.33 | Stevie | sources |
| 20:08.39 | abrotman | duh .. obviously :) |
| 20:08.47 | Stevie | What's the probram that gives the nice list of those? |
| 20:08.56 | liquid_ | so the kernel is 64bit? and userland is 32? |
| 20:09.01 | directhex | abrotman, yes. there's an amd64-libs package though, so you can use statically compiled amd64 binaries |
| 20:09.09 | directhex | !info amd64-libs sarge |
| 20:09.11 | dpkg | amd64-libs: (Amd64 shared libraries for use on i386/x86_64 systems), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4386 kB, Installed size: 10700 kB |
| 20:09.19 | kunphuzil | Can I use a Linksys WUSB54G for a debian netinstall? |
| 20:09.24 | nanok | yalu: iozone, maybe? |
| 20:09.26 | FieldySnuts | wouldn't count on it |
| 20:09.27 | abrotman | liquid_: i don't think 4MB is that big of a deal ... but with 32bit kernel .. it could be the highmem thing .. i forget exactly how it works |
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| 20:09.38 | denny | hello. could anyone help newbie? |
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| 20:09.48 | liquid_ | abrotman I know it's not a very big deal but it's bugging me |
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| 20:09.58 | gravity | denny: Just ask your question. If someone can help, they'll answer. |
| 20:10.11 | Stevie | found it (apt-setup) |
| 20:10.16 | liquid_ | abrotman the feeling of having 2Gig brandnew reg. ECC DDR400 ram ... missing some MB's .. is annoying |
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| 20:10.21 | abrotman | liquid_: /proc/meminfo also says wrong amount ? |
| 20:10.26 | liquid_ | let me check |
| 20:10.27 | yalu | nanok: I'll check it out, thanks |
| 20:10.27 | Eulex | !tell denny about n00b |
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| 20:10.46 | liquid_ | abrotman yes: MemTotal: 2076860 kB |
| 20:11.07 | denny | ok, i just installed Debian 3.1 (hte first Linux in my life), have lots of problems, firstly can't change screen resolution to 1024 (only 640 and 800 available) |
| 20:11.15 | abyss | exist a way to get all deps to compile a kernel-image ? |
| 20:11.22 | liquid_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/306954 |
| 20:11.25 | directhex | denny, you configured xfree86 wrong |
| 20:11.42 | wiserules | i got an error installing x-window so i did apt-get -f install and i get "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 20:11.45 | Bac9 | is there a gtk2 version of gnome-pim type apps? |
| 20:11.47 | directhex | denny, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and actually select the resolutions you want (640 and 800 are the default selections) |
| 20:11.56 | nanok | abyss: try apt-get install build-esential |
| 20:11.57 | kunphuzil | !tell kunphuzil about n00b |
| 20:12.02 | nanok | abyss: try apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:12.03 | nanok | sorry |
| 20:12.10 | Eulex | !tel denny about drxx |
| 20:12.11 | denny | ok, trying |
| 20:12.24 | Stevie | isn't sarge the new stable? |
| 20:12.31 | Eulex | oh, sorry denny, directhex had already said that |
| 20:12.31 | gravity | Stevie: yes |
| 20:12.37 | Eulex | !topicsmite Stevie |
| 20:12.37 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Stevie. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:12.38 | Stevie | what's the new testing? |
| 20:12.45 | Eulex | etch |
| 20:12.45 | directhex | Stevie, etch |
| 20:12.46 | FieldySnuts | etch |
| 20:12.49 | Stevie | etch?? |
| 20:12.51 | Stevie | what the hell is |
| 20:12.53 | Stevie | oh |
| 20:12.53 | FieldySnuts | ~topicbadger stevie |
| 20:12.59 | kunphuzil | Can I use a Linksys WUSB54G for a debian netinstall? |
| 20:12.59 | Stevie | the etch-a-sketch? |
| 20:13.05 | gravity | yes |
| 20:13.08 | FieldySnuts | kunphuzil: as I said before, I wouldn't count on it |
| 20:13.08 | Stevie | heh |
| 20:13.10 | gravity | Stevie: ^ |
| 20:13.34 | kunphuzil | FieldySnuts: I didn't realise that was directed to me, sorry |
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| 20:14.24 | Eulex | kunphuzil, you could try, if it doesn't, just try wired net |
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| 20:14.52 | maher | i'm about to set up nfs so i can mount a dir read only - is there an easier way to this? |
| 20:14.53 | directhex | sounds like it'd be atheros-based |
| 20:14.54 | nvz | liquid_: that total looks to be shy about 20mb by my calculation I don't know what the limit is before you need to load a highmem driver |
| 20:15.35 | liquid_ | yes |
| 20:15.40 | liquid_ | nvz it sucks ass :/ |
| 20:15.49 | raf256 | can I connect on a terminal like gnome-terminal to sessions that is opened in VT #2? |
| 20:15.59 | raf256 | and continue using that session inside gnome-terminal in X windows? |
| 20:16.21 | nvz | raf256: screen -x |
| 20:16.24 | FieldySnuts | if you started it in screen at the console, you could have detached it, and reattached it where ever |
| 20:16.25 | Eulex | liquid_, those mb's are used by the kernel, you were told that earlier today, and btw, what's the deal about 1% of your ram? |
| 20:16.35 | raf256 | nvz: There is no screen to be attached. |
| 20:16.43 | nvz | raf256: if you didnt use screen, smack yourself once for not being able to multi-attach, and again for me.. just for not using screen |
| 20:17.12 | raf256 | nvz: so I should log in NV2, then start screen on it, then use screen -x on new target console? |
| 20:17.28 | raf256 | !smack me |
| 20:17.38 | PeTeRB | raf256: man screen perhaps. |
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| 20:18.20 | linoleum | why there is always problem? |
| 20:18.30 | FieldySnuts | linoleum: with? |
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| 20:18.33 | linoleum | graveman make an error while burning |
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| 20:18.44 | linoleum | it's was burning from cd to cdm |
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| 20:18.54 | linoleum | then a about 1/3 , it makes : error |
| 20:19.01 | linoleum | my cd is out |
| 20:19.14 | linoleum | and I dont know what to do |
| 20:19.15 | Eulex | linoleum, we can't help much if we don't know the error |
| 20:19.22 | nvz | time is why we keep having problems.. its what stops them from all just happening at once and being done with it |
| 20:19.26 | linoleum | Eulex, how can I know the error? |
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| 20:19.43 | Eulex | linoleum, I though you said it gave you an error? |
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| 20:19.55 | pmfp | is it possible to use dd or ddrescue on libusb devices? |
| 20:20.06 | linoleum | yes, but it says nothing , just error, sorry |
| 20:20.19 | linoleum | an error occurs during the procedure |
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| 20:20.54 | liquid_ | Eulex I guess I was away earlier today |
| 20:20.59 | brucer | `/quit |
| 20:21.05 | liquid_ | my bad. That's the reason why I asked it again |
| 20:21.18 | norton | Must a dvd burner have the random access write feature, to be able to use a dvd like a floppy? |
| 20:21.19 | liquid_ | Eulex okay being used by the kernel for what purpose (just being curious) |
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| 20:21.28 | Tester_ | is there some kind of automated mirror selection tool ? |
| 20:21.35 | nvz | Tester_: apt-setup |
| 20:21.36 | FieldySnuts | mirrorselect |
| 20:21.39 | Eulex | liquid_, all that has to be done by your kernel |
| 20:21.43 | gravity | apt-spy? |
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| 20:21.54 | nvz | apt-spy doesnt select mirrors at all afaik |
| 20:21.55 | liquid_ | Eulex okay, but is it normal or just with this kernel? |
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| 20:22.12 | nvz | apt-setup isnt automated, but you can at least pick mirrors from a list |
| 20:22.52 | raf256 | how to turn off gey cursor in gnome-terminal (full block) or change it to normal small cursor? |
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| 20:23.08 | FieldySnuts | hopefully you meant grey? |
| 20:23.09 | Eulex | liquid_, wait, /proc/meminfo also showed the wrong amount? |
| 20:23.17 | raf256 | FieldySnuts: yes, why not |
| 20:23.20 | Eulex | liquid_, I'll check mine |
| 20:23.51 | denny | i installed russian locale while setup, but now, when i run OpenOffice in all menus I have squares instead of menu string. Can I fix that? |
| 20:24.20 | Eulex | liquid_, I'm 12.5 mb short of memory, so I guess it's normal |
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| 20:24.36 | gravity | denny: Try installing xfonts-cyrillic |
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| 20:24.41 | maher | how do i get rpc.statd to only listen on localhost? |
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| 20:25.01 | gravity | denny: There's a bunch of cyrillic font packages also, if you look for them |
| 20:25.22 | denny | gravity: how to do it? |
| 20:25.32 | gravity | denny: Install a package? Run aptitude and read the help |
| 20:25.49 | Tester_ | nvz: in which pkg is apt-setup? (in woody or sarge?) |
| 20:25.51 | denny | ok, trying |
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| 20:26.05 | nvz | I got 473MB I think its suppose to be 512MB, but probably shared with my video card.. which is what your problems are as well |
| 20:26.13 | Eulex | Tester_, apt-setup is standard afaik |
| 20:26.18 | nvz | Tester_: either, its part of base |
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| 20:26.27 | nvz | Tester_: if you dont have it you are either not root, or not using debian |
| 20:26.35 | Eulex | nvz, I haven't got any shared memory, nevertheless I have missing memory which I guess is used by the kernel |
| 20:26.58 | abyss | hmm got the same problem as in the past but forgot the solution ,err |
| 20:27.06 | Tester_ | was in woody ? |
| 20:27.19 | Eulex | Tester_, apt-setup, and I dunno about woody |
| 20:27.27 | abyss | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8/build: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden. Schluss. |
| 20:27.29 | Aquarina | hi, can you pouint me to a place I can read about what each of the kenel modules is for?... please! |
| 20:27.41 | abyss | what i have to move up in the Makefile ? |
| 20:27.42 | Aquarina | *point |
| 20:27.43 | denny | gravity: in which section can I find it? there is LOTS of sections there |
| 20:28.09 | Eulex | Aquarina, modinfo module |
| 20:28.29 | Aquarina | Eulex: I've done that, but it's just not enough |
| 20:28.46 | gravity | denny: Read the help on how to search. You can search for "xfonts" packages. |
| 20:29.25 | Aquarina | Eulex: I need more info because I know very little about linux |
| 20:29.29 | Eulex | Aquarina, read kernel-doc for your kernel version? |
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| 20:30.07 | Aquarina | Eulex: I've done that also... still can't elucidate me |
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| 20:30.49 | Eulex | Aquarina, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 20:30.51 | Aquarina | Eulex: i need something like "module xxxx is for xxxxing... you need it if you have a xxxxx card..." |
| 20:31.21 | foobus | Aquarina, compile a kernel, use menuconfig or xmenuconfig, and read read read |
| 20:31.27 | Aquarina | like the help text you can get when compiling the kernel yourself |
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| 20:31.46 | foobus | like it? there's nothing like it. |
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| 20:32.01 | Eulex | Aquarina, you don't have to compile the kernel to read that info.. |
| 20:32.13 | Aquarina | foobus: where can I find that info without compiling?.... |
| 20:32.24 | foobus | ask Eulex ... |
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| 20:32.51 | Aquarina | Eulex: is there a text file with that? |
| 20:33.17 | Eulex | Aquarina, you can probably maks menuconfig while you are compiling... and yes, there must be a file where that info is stored, but I dunno where |
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| 20:33.44 | wiserules | wheres a good tutorial of setting up x-window or kde, etc |
| 20:34.01 | colera | where do i find the package with the ipw2200 wireless drivers?? |
| 20:34.01 | colera | ?? |
| 20:34.04 | Eulex | wiserules, apt-get install x-window-system kde |
| 20:34.10 | Eulex | colera, apt-cache search ipw2200 |
| 20:34.22 | wiserules | Eulex: yea i'm getting errors |
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| 20:34.25 | directhex | think it's a m-a job |
| 20:34.30 | directhex | i.e. m-a a-i ipw2200 |
| 20:34.41 | wiserules | tells me to apt-get -f install |
| 20:34.48 | wiserules | which i did, to get another error |
| 20:34.53 | Aquarina | another thing: is there some "thing" loading modules at startup not being modprobe and hotplug? |
| 20:34.56 | greycoin | I'm facing a few problems trying to get nvidia geforce 2 card recognized. |
| 20:35.00 | wiserules | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 20:35.09 | abyss | anyone know what i have to change in the makefile if the error is :make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8/build: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden. Schluss. (Makefile :http://nopaste.php-q.net/144923) |
| 20:35.12 | directhex | !tell greycoin about nvidia one-liner |
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| 20:35.31 | denny | gravity: xfonts are found only in Installed section... can't find it in Not installed section, any advice? |
| 20:35.45 | colera | Eulex: that returned nothing |
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| 20:36.10 | Eulex | colera, ipw2200-source - Source for the ipw2200 driver |
| 20:36.11 | gravity | denny: You installed every single font package? Why? |
| 20:36.14 | foobus | abyss, I'm interested too, but too lazy to link the build directory to the kernel-source tree |
| 20:36.20 | greycoin | directhex: wow, thanks. how do I add the contrib and non-free sources though? |
| 20:36.28 | Eulex | Aquarina, discover and /etc/modules |
| 20:36.30 | directhex | !tell greycoin about non-free sources |
| 20:36.44 | denny | i just accepted defaults during setup... |
| 20:36.51 | denny | no changes made |
| 20:36.51 | colera | Eulex: i am not familiar with debian package managment should i search for that in aptitude or something? |
| 20:36.55 | gravity | denny: Somehow I doubt you installed every single font package... |
| 20:37.00 | Schiz0 | I hate aptitude. |
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| 20:37.11 | abyss | in the past somebody helped me to fix that makefile |
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| 20:37.26 | abyss | but i cannot remember |
| 20:37.27 | Eulex | colera, apt-get install ipw2200-source? |
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| 20:37.38 | greycoin | directhex: thanks! |
| 20:37.47 | Eulex | wiserules, are you running sid? |
| 20:37.49 | abyss | i have to put something upper as its locatet in the orig makefile |
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| 20:38.14 | Aquarina | Eulex: hum... I've been playing around with modules and can't make ipv6 desapear from lsmod |
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| 20:38.22 | wiserules | Eulex: sarge |
| 20:38.25 | directhex | m-a a-i ipw2000 |
| 20:38.29 | wiserules | oh wait |
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| 20:38.35 | wiserules | 31r0a |
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| 20:39.12 | Eulex | wiserules, what is the error? |
| 20:39.23 | colera | Eulex: okay right then i need to compile that i imagine where do the files go? |
| 20:39.32 | denny | gravity, so what would you advise me, please? |
| 20:39.48 | abyss | hmm okay seems that my vault is my short mind keeping :/ |
| 20:39.57 | gravity | denny: I don't know. I feel like you're missing fonts, but I don't know which package since I don't use the same locale |
| 20:40.16 | gravity | denny: You should probably send a mail to the debian russian user list (if it exists) and ask for help |
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| 20:40.23 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 20:40.24 | ArchitectSinan | i've got computer running WinXP. And i've got enough (10 GB) unpartitioned space for a fresh Debian installation. I'll boot debian from the CDROM and install it to this 10 GB space. But i don't know what should i do for LILO part, at the end of installation. I mean i want to be able to select Linux or WinXP in Lilo menu. How can I do this ? |
| 20:40.33 | Eulex | colera, /usr/src |
| 20:40.35 | c7 | Having a hard time instlling any version of debian because of a satalink in a pci slot. what to do? |
| 20:40.36 | denny | ok, i'll try |
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| 20:40.42 | gravity | denny: Good luck |
| 20:41.02 | denny | and one more question: how can I check for updates for installed packages? |
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| 20:42.25 | Aquarina | denny: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 20:42.44 | maher | ArchitectSinan: are you going to install sarge? |
| 20:42.51 | wiserules | Eulex: "E: unmet dependecies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)" |
| 20:42.54 | ArchitectSinan | maher: yep |
| 20:43.15 | denny | Aquarina: what is the difference? |
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| 20:43.17 | fuag_____ | guys |
| 20:43.29 | JoeBaldwin | thats us |
| 20:43.30 | fuag_____ | i switched to the nvidia drivers and now my xfree86 server panics that there is no nvidia-kernel |
| 20:43.40 | wiserules | before that it lists several packages that it depends on but will not be installed |
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| 20:43.53 | Aquarina | denny: update updates a database stored on your comp. upgrade upgrades packages ;-) |
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| 20:43.57 | cyc | can anyone explain what's the difference between "debian-pure64" and "debian-amd64" ? |
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| 20:44.00 | fuag_____ | i put the nvidia module into /etc/modules |
| 20:44.01 | maher | ArchitectSinan: sarge installs grub by default - the installer will set up grub to boot either debian or windows |
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| 20:44.15 | rodge | Has anyone tried the captive-ntfs with debian? |
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| 20:44.20 | Eulex | wiserules, what packages does it not find? |
| 20:44.24 | c7 | how to install debian with an satalink? |
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| 20:44.38 | mwilson | maher: But you CAN disable that, can't you? I thought expert mode let you trash grub. |
| 20:44.38 | ArchitectSinan | maher: do you mean "grub" will add my WinXP partition to its menu automatically ? |
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| 20:44.53 | wiserules | about 20+ all named libxxxx |
| 20:45.05 | denny | Aquarina: i think i should change the source for files (i installed from dvd), because i does nothing. how can i do it? |
| 20:45.09 | wiserules | libjpeg62, libpng12-0, etc |
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| 20:45.26 | ArchitectSinan | maher: i want to see Linux and WinXP in the menu and i should be able to select which i want to run |
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| 20:45.27 | maher | ArchitectSinan: yes |
| 20:45.31 | Aquarina | denny: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:45.35 | colera | do you guy's reccomend the use of synaptic? |
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| 20:45.37 | colera | ?? |
| 20:45.43 | Aquarina | denny: find a mirror near you |
| 20:45.44 | kerpal | when dpkg --pruge doesn't work what do you do ? |
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| 20:45.51 | kerpal | for instance i rm(ed) the /etc/mysql dir |
| 20:45.53 | foobus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.00 | kerpal | and apt-get install complains it can't find it.. |
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| 20:46.03 | maher | mwilson: i thought so - but i've never done an expert sarge install... |
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| 20:46.05 | maher | mwilson: i thought so - but i've never done an expert sarge install... |
| 20:46.10 | kerpal | even though i purged mysql with dpkg |
| 20:46.12 | maher | oops |
| 20:46.14 | greycoin | i'm sorry, could you repeat the nvidia install command, I had a major crash just now. |
| 20:46.27 | fuag_____ | anyone know how to get the nvidia drivers running in debian |
| 20:46.32 | maher | mwilson: do you know an easy way to mount a dir rw in one place and ro in another? |
| 20:46.33 | mwilson | maher: I've not had any experience with d-i since back in the RC's. |
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| 20:46.46 | fuag_____ | I apt-get install nvidia-glx then add nvidia to /etc/modules |
| 20:46.48 | greycoin | fuag: someone just told me really efficiently, with a one-liner, but then my system crashed |
| 20:47.10 | maher | mwilson: i have simple needs - and i usually end up installing with debootstrap anyway... |
| 20:47.10 | fuag_____ | and the xfree86 wont run because it says there is no nvidia-kernel module found |
| 20:47.11 | abyss | please someone help me to fix that makefile |
| 20:47.14 | dli | fuag_____, nvidia-kernel or nvidia-source? |
| 20:47.21 | fuag_____ | nvidia-kernel |
| 20:47.35 | mwilson | Unless your box is profoundly broken, why are you needing to explicitly load nvidia.ko? |
| 20:47.38 | colera | do you guy's reccomend the use of synaptic? |
| 20:47.40 | colera | ?? |
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| 20:47.56 | mwilson | colera: Hell no. |
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| 20:48.01 | Eulex | colera, no, use apt-get or synaptic or any other interface to apt-get |
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| 20:48.02 | c7 | 3112 satalink and debian help |
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| 20:48.04 | fuag_____ | i wanted to make sure that it loaded nvidia so i would get the good drivers instead of nv |
| 20:48.25 | fuag_____ | I also edited the /etc/xfree86.conf to load nvidia instead of nv and edited out the dri sections |
| 20:48.31 | teclo | Hello, is there a tool to test the access time of a disk ? Not the troughput like hdparm does, but the access time ? |
| 20:48.36 | colera | Eulex: no or yes then? : ) synaptic is just an apt-get frontend right? |
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| 20:48.58 | Eulex | colera, yes |
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| 20:49.19 | gravity | colera: Not exactly. Synaptic is an interface to apt, as is apt-get. They're both frontends. |
| 20:49.25 | gravity | colera: Synaptic is fine if you like it. |
| 20:49.33 | fuag_____ | apt-get is just text based |
| 20:49.55 | colera | gravity: okay cool, so aptitude is also a frontend for apt right? |
| 20:50.04 | gravity | Yes |
| 20:50.27 | fuag_____ | wait, i thought they were all front ends for dms-pkg or somethin like that |
| 20:50.28 | abyss | where i can fix that there is a /lib/modules/2.6.8/build folder ? |
| 20:50.45 | gravity | fuag_____: Uh...? dms-pkg? |
| 20:50.58 | js_ | abyss: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 20:51.01 | ArchitectSinan | maher: thanks for your help |
| 20:51.05 | ArchitectSinan | take care guys |
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| 20:51.09 | colera | it's all coming together now : ) i installed xfce yesterday but i realize now that aptitude installed version 4 and there is a 4.2 that is much better but it's seems to not be available how could i find it? |
| 20:51.18 | Eulex | gravity, no, apt-get and synaptic are frontends to apt, synaptic is a frontend to apt-get |
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| 20:51.30 | gravity | Eulex: It is? Since when? |
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| 20:52.00 | Eulex | colera, sorry, misread your answer |
| 20:52.02 | fuag_____ | hmm... so if i take nvidia out of /etc/modules it should autoload it anyway? |
| 20:52.10 | Eulex | umh, gravity, misread you answer |
| 20:52.13 | fuag_____ | or should i keep nvidia in there and also ad nvidia-kernel |
| 20:52.31 | gravity | ok |
| 20:52.48 | Eulex | I'm getting tired... can't nswer questions more here tonight, I'm just getting confused |
| 20:52.52 | gravity | colera: What are you running? |
| 20:52.54 | greycoin | my whole computer just froze up a moment ago and my "caps" and "scroll" lock indicators began flashing. anyone have any ideas? |
| 20:53.03 | fuag_____ | kernel panic |
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| 20:53.22 | fuag_____ | check logs to see what fsked up |
| 20:53.28 | dafen | anyone has a kernel-config for IBM THINKPAD t42? |
| 20:53.38 | teclo | I have two scsi hard disk, sda and sdb. Will I get really better performance if I put the swap file on sdb and the rest of the Debian install on sda ? |
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| 20:53.40 | foobus | silicon epilepsy? |
| 20:53.42 | dafen | the one with ipw2200 wifi and ati 9600 videoc |
| 20:53.47 | colera | gravity: what exactly do you mean? i have a pentium M 1gb ram |
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| 20:54.04 | gravity | colera: I mean what version of Debian? Stable (sarge)? Unstable? |
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| 20:54.18 | fuag_____ | is there a modprobe command for debian |
| 20:54.23 | gravity | fuag_____: Uh... yes |
| 20:54.26 | colera | gravity: Sarge |
| 20:54.33 | foobus | fuag_____, it's called modprobe |
| 20:54.41 | fuag_____ | gravity: hmm.. my system doesnt have it |
| 20:54.47 | foobus | as root? |
| 20:54.54 | fuag_____ | gravity: yeah |
| 20:54.57 | foobus | it's in /sbin I think |
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| 20:55.06 | fuag_____ | k |
| 20:55.08 | gravity | Try /sbin/modprobe |
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| 20:55.24 | fuag_____ | also I think it installed the 2.4 kernel by default is there a way to tell it to install 2.6.x |
| 20:55.36 | fuag_____ | used the sarge live install |
| 20:55.40 | fuag_____ | er net install |
| 20:55.52 | colera | fuag_____: are you logged in as root? |
| 20:55.55 | Aquarina | linux26 I think |
| 20:56.14 | gravity | colera: It's in unstable right now. |
| 20:56.22 | colera | gravity: how can i get it? |
| 20:56.26 | fuag_____ | no, im on another comp right now, ever since i tried to upgrade to nvidia drivers sarge install hasn't been working |
| 20:56.26 | gravity | colera: So you could try to use those packages, but it might not be wise. |
| 20:56.32 | gravity | colera: I'd recommend checking backports.org for it |
| 20:56.40 | gravity | colera: If not... well, you'll have to decide what to do from there |
| 20:56.40 | colera | gravity: what's that? |
| 20:56.41 | fuag_____ | one sec, I'll go search for modprobe and mess around with it a little more |
| 20:56.45 | fuag_____ | brb |
| 20:56.49 | colera | gravity: alright i'll check it out |
| 20:56.52 | gravity | colera: Ok. Yeah... you need to not worry about it if you don't know what a backport is |
| 20:57.09 | gravity | colera: Honestly, you need to learn how to use your system before worrying about getting the newest and greatest software |
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| 20:57.29 | directhex | christ, i go away for half an hour, and there's an invasion of people who don't know what the hell they're doing |
| 20:57.34 | directhex | as per usual ¬_¬ |
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| 20:57.40 | gravity | Sunday |
| 20:57.50 | Aquarina | can someone manage to prevent ipv6 from loading? |
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| 20:58.13 | colera | gravity: i just switched over to debian yesterday |
| 20:58.42 | greycoin | what's the default for most mice (serial)? ttys0? |
| 20:58.48 | maher | Aquarina: just ignore ipv6 - its mostly harmless... |
| 20:58.57 | petemc | Aquarina: echo alias net-pf-10 off >> /etc/modprobe.conf |
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| 20:59.01 | ugly | greycoin: capital S |
| 20:59.05 | colera | gravity: isn't there a way to edit the repositories? |
| 20:59.08 | petemc | it can slow down lookups |
| 20:59.28 | colera | gravity: to include unstable releases |
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| 20:59.35 | greycoin | ugly: right. but is that the default, or is it /dev/input/mice ? |
| 20:59.39 | maher | does anyone know how to mount something rw in one place and ro in another? |
| 20:59.40 | greycoin | or is it something else entirely? |
| 20:59.42 | ugly | greycoin: and it could be just as easily S1, but S0/1 are usually the ones |
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| 20:59.58 | greycoin | oh, ok. thanks! |
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| 21:00.09 | directhex | greycoin, i haven't dealt with a serial mosue this millenium, so i don't know if dev/input/mice will pick up on a serial mouse |
| 21:00.13 | ndee | where does postfix normally store the mails for root? |
| 21:00.36 | Scrape | ndee: I would think it forwards them to a user? |
| 21:00.41 | maher | ndee: you should be forwarding them to a non-root user using /etc/aliases |
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| 21:01.23 | MaxxZ | hello |
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| 21:02.04 | MaxxZ | Please I wanna know how to stop pinging on a specified ip, i was pinging an ip, and closed my putty client, now i wanna know how to close. someone help me plz. ty |
| 21:02.18 | debian_user | push control c, maxx |
| 21:02.29 | MaxxZ | ok |
| 21:02.32 | MaxxZ | ty |
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| 21:03.45 | citizen | how can i run a program from an xterm, in the backround, but not have it terminate when i close the xterm window? |
| 21:04.11 | dmesg | general answer: nohup |
| 21:04.13 | citizen | like if i run "xmms &" in an xterm and close the xterm window, xmms terminates |
| 21:04.30 | dmesg | citizen: nohup xmms & |
| 21:04.42 | citizen | oh okay, thanks |
| 21:04.50 | Aquarina | petemc: I edited /etc/modutils/aliases and then update-modules |
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| 21:05.02 | kaol | citizen: or disown |
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| 21:05.28 | krono | wouldn't do exec? |
| 21:05.34 | Aquarina | petemc: it showed up alias net-pf-10 off in /etc/modules.conf |
| 21:06.15 | krono | anyone some experience with debian-amd54? |
| 21:06.19 | dmesg | citizen: or you can set up your shell not to send HUP signal to its child processes, which would accomplish the same |
| 21:06.19 | krono | amd64 * |
| 21:06.31 | crashbg | hi guys, i am configuring my dns and domain name services so can anyone help me :) The situation is like this: i have 2 real static ip address; i registered a domain name and went to my registerer's webpage and from there assigned primary and secondary dns servers pointing at my 2 real static ip addresses; also configured BIND9 to resolve dns.<domain>.net. and dns2.<domain>.net with the internal IP number of the machine; is this all correct??? |
| 21:06.58 | citizen | i see, thanks dmesg and kaol. |
| 21:06.59 | Aquarina | petemc: still ipv6 is loaded (and I have no /etc/modprobe.conf file) |
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| 21:07.30 | colera | gravity: have you ever considered the fact that while trying to use the latest and greatest software i will learn how to use my system? btw you must be soo l337 |
| 21:07.39 | krono | is somebody in here, who knows how to deal with the /lib/ld-*.so.*-programs? |
| 21:08.34 | trave11er | krono: why do you need to "deal" with them? |
| 21:08.40 | dmesg | citizen: you're welcome |
| 21:08.59 | krono | err i try to swiht from i368 to amd64.. |
| 21:09.06 | krono | in-system.. |
| 21:09.12 | petemc | Aquarina: well, whatever method you use, it requires a reboot |
| 21:09.25 | Aquarina | petemc: even after reboot |
| 21:09.29 | trave11er | krono: hmm, good luck :-) |
| 21:09.32 | krono | and it's quite hard. ^ |
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| 21:09.59 | krono | because packs amd64-libs and ia32libs are _Very_ intzerfering ;) |
| 21:10.32 | trave11er | krono: why don't you just install amd64 stuff from scratch? |
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| 21:10.50 | krono | naa, i set it up for 5 years.. |
| 21:10.56 | danka | hi, everyone |
| 21:10.57 | krono | sdon't wanna throw it away ;) |
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| 21:11.31 | madmavric | test |
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| 21:11.44 | wiserules | can someone help i'm trying to install x-window-system adn i get "E: unmet dependecies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)" which is preceded by sever lib packages that say are needed but are not going to be installed |
| 21:11.58 | wiserules | *several |
| 21:12.00 | krono | and im quite hopefull to get it ^^, when i replaced most of the nlibs necessary.. |
| 21:12.02 | madmavric | how do i go about installing kde or gnome on a new debianinstall? |
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| 21:12.09 | danka | I can get aplay to play all manner of .wav files, but the xapps in gnome don't play. any ideas? |
| 21:12.18 | trave11er | wiserules: is it unstable? |
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| 21:12.59 | dmesg | danka: which xapps ? |
| 21:13.02 | wiserules | trave11er: debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 21:13.07 | MaxxZ | I cant run the putty on my machine, I need another prog like putty, any ideas? |
| 21:13.10 | Bac9 | madmavric: apt-get install kde |
| 21:13.16 | danka | dmesg: the gnome cdplayer, for example |
| 21:13.19 | Bac9 | madmavric: apt-get install gnome |
| 21:13.21 | krono | MaxxZ: ssh |
| 21:13.24 | Aquarina | madmavric: apt-get install gnome |
| 21:13.32 | madmavric | to install kde in debian is the command apt-get upgrade kde? |
| 21:13.34 | danka | MaxxZ: xterm???? |
| 21:13.36 | trave11er | wiserules: do you have any references to 'testing' in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:13.36 | dmesg | m |
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| 21:13.45 | wiserules | let me check |
| 21:13.47 | Aquarina | madmavric: apt-get install kde |
| 21:13.51 | danka | madmavric: apt-get install kde-base |
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| 21:14.04 | madmavric | then the next question is how to start it up |
| 21:14.07 | Bac9 | madmavric: apt-get install gnome-fifth-toe |
| 21:14.15 | dmesg | danka: esd is running when in gnome ? |
| 21:14.17 | Bac9 | madmavric: apt-get install gdm |
| 21:14.20 | Bac9 | madmavric: apt-get install kdm |
| 21:14.22 | greycoin | uhm... okay, my mouse just won't work anymore. I set it as ttyS0 when I was configuring X, and apparently that killed it. |
| 21:14.29 | madmavric | ahhh ok thanks |
| 21:14.37 | trave11er | wiserules: there should be only 'stable' or 'sarge' stuff there |
| 21:14.44 | krono | greycoin: did kernelupdate? |
| 21:14.48 | Bac9 | madmavric: or if you meen as the default then just change your ~/.xsession |
| 21:14.49 | gravity | colera: I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm trying to give sage advice. You can learn this stuff any way you want |
| 21:14.55 | wiserules | trave11er: no sir, i see sarge main, Linux 3.1r0a _sarge_ official i386 binary etc etc |
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| 21:15.10 | greycoin | krono: no. should I? |
| 21:15.22 | greycoin | I was installing my nvidia drivers |
| 21:15.27 | gravity | colera: It's not that I'm 133t, it's that I've been there and I know what the problems are, and I'm trying to caution you against doing something you'll likely regret later |
| 21:15.32 | wiserules | trave11er should i be using 3.1r0 not 3.1r0a? |
| 21:15.35 | greycoin | and then I had to select a mouse type for my X server. I guess I chose the wrong one. |
| 21:15.36 | krono | nope. not nesecesarily (sorry, typos are yours) |
| 21:15.46 | trave11er | wiserules: it does not really matter |
| 21:15.55 | Bac9 | gravity: is it conected over com1? |
| 21:16.01 | trave11er | !tell wiserules about paster |
| 21:16.02 | madmavric | ~/.xsession? thats the command to set up kde as default boot? |
| 21:16.07 | danka | greycoin: you can either edit /etc/XF86Config-4 yourself or run XF86Config |
| 21:16.12 | gravity | colera: If you want to be an ass about it though, that's your perogative. If you're not satisfied with the help you're getting, you get a full refund on your purchase from me for my services |
| 21:16.18 | trave11er | wiserules: paste it using the instructions |
| 21:16.22 | greycoin | danka: thanks. and what should I change it to? |
| 21:16.24 | wiserules | ok, thanks |
| 21:16.25 | hellz | hi i am facing some problem with apt-get, every time i try to install something it display unmet dependecies and ask me to try for apt-get -f install. i did that and then when i try to install out of the way hotplug comes in and then the same hotplug related eror, |
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| 21:17.18 | Bac9 | hellz: apt-get update; first |
| 21:17.33 | wiserules | trave11er: what exactly do you want me to paste? |
| 21:17.43 | Bac9 | helix: then use some ui (aptitude/synaptic/etc) to see what the dependencies should be |
| 21:17.43 | trave11er | wiserules: the sources.list file |
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| 21:17.48 | hellz | i did that too |
| 21:17.48 | kab00m | hi folks |
| 21:17.48 | wiserules | kk |
| 21:17.54 | danka | greycoin: if you have a ps/2 mouse, try /dev/psaux. a ps/2 mouse has the small circular connectors, and is currently the most common type |
| 21:18.03 | madmavric | ~/.xsession where would that be changed? |
| 21:18.07 | danka | greycoin: if you have a ps/2 mouse, try /dev/psaux. a ps/2 mouse has the small circular connectors, and is currently the most common type, except for usb mice |
| 21:18.15 | Bac9 | helix: the first sugestion should probably fix your problem unless your sources are screwy |
| 21:18.18 | greycoin | okay, thanks. mine's not usb |
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| 21:18.46 | Bac9 | madmavric: ~/.xsession is the file that tells what apps to run when your X session starts |
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| 21:19.05 | krono | Bac9: not when uinxg dome *dm.. |
| 21:19.16 | paster | "wiserules" at 64.252.5.98 pasted "trying to install x-window" (7 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/286 |
| 21:19.21 | madmavric | ok so edit xsession to boot kde then, got it |
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| 21:19.29 | Bac9 | madmavric: so if you want to run some specific wm put it there, or change the system default, if you want to start X automagically on boot then you need xdm/gdm/kdm |
| 21:19.30 | abyss | lo i have an interesting error : ifconfig and iwconfig says there is a wlan0 interface |
| 21:19.45 | abyss | if i do ifup wlan0 there come an error |
| 21:19.54 | Bac9 | kreg: ~/.xsession gets run no matter what *dm you're using |
| 21:20.04 | abyss | lui:/usr/src/zd1211# ifup wlan0 |
| 21:20.04 | abyss | Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0. |
| 21:20.05 | trave11er | wiserules: hmm, all looks good |
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| 21:20.19 | trave11er | wiserules: and did you run apt-get update? |
| 21:20.21 | greycoin | hm... it says 'command not found' for XF86Config |
| 21:20.28 | abyss | whats that? how can this could be? |
| 21:20.30 | wiserules | trave11er: nope i will now |
| 21:20.33 | Bac9 | abydos: did you set up that interface in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:20.44 | abyss | no |
| 21:20.46 | madmavric | well im gonna shit can ubuntu, and go with straight debian, so hopefully i got what i need here |
| 21:20.55 | wiserules | trave11er it didnt help |
| 21:21.02 | abyss | in the past the driver worked without adding it |
| 21:21.10 | madmavric | how would i start kde if its not the default dm? |
| 21:21.32 | krono | mean kdm or onlie kde? |
| 21:21.35 | trave11er | wiserules: mmkay, the only thing i can think of is that these libs are on other CDs or something |
| 21:21.41 | madmavric | ya kdm |
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| 21:21.48 | krono | hmm |
| 21:21.48 | trave11er | wiserules: you have net access? why not just try installing from the net? |
| 21:21.49 | dmesg | greycoin: it ain't command, it's config filw, which you edit with ascii editor, such as vim :) |
| 21:21.57 | Bac9 | madmavric: either make it system default or `echo start-kde > ~/.xsession` |
| 21:22.01 | krono | updatze-aliases or somewhatr |
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| 21:22.16 | wiserules | trave11er: no i cant get net access to work, and those 2 cds are both full dvds |
| 21:22.32 | trave11er | wiserules: well, it's very weird then |
| 21:22.43 | wiserules | maybe i'll try to get the net shit working |
| 21:22.44 | madmavric | echo start-kde > ~/.xsession thats the command? |
| 21:22.56 | trave11er | wiserules: what kind of libraries are missing? |
| 21:22.57 | krono | depends.. |
| 21:23.06 | krono | madmavric: want it system-wide? |
| 21:23.17 | Bac9 | madmavric: that'll create ~/.xsession with one line "start-kde" in it, and that in tern is the command to start kde |
| 21:23.25 | wiserules | trave11er: stuff like libjpeg62, libpng12-0, libxml2, libxslt1.1 |
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| 21:23.33 | madmavric | the problem is, im not all that familiar with command line, so getting kde to run at post is my problem |
| 21:23.38 | trave11er | wiserules: try doing apt-cache show libjpeg62 |
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| 21:23.42 | trave11er | wiserules: what does it say? |
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| 21:23.55 | Bac9 | madmavric: sorry that should be "startkde" |
| 21:24.01 | lars^ | Does anybody know where to download the WHAX livecd? |
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| 21:24.04 | krono | whast your packetmanager then madmavric ? |
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| 21:24.07 | Overand | Bac9: why not just have madmavric do a dpkg-reconfigure (whatever kde is) |
| 21:24.10 | madmavric | startkde ok |
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| 21:24.24 | Bac9 | madmavric: there's probably a gui way to do this but I am not very familiar with gui config ways |
| 21:24.25 | madmavric | debian online install is what im using |
| 21:24.26 | wiserules | trave11er: it just lists the info for it, what specific info do you want? |
| 21:24.39 | trave11er | wiserules: well, if it shows it, then it is present |
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| 21:24.45 | madmavric | then i will apt-get install kdm |
| 21:24.48 | Bac9 | Overand: I did say he can either change the system default or do it only for himself |
| 21:24.49 | wiserules | hmmmmmm |
| 21:24.50 | trave11er | wiserules: try apt-get install libjpeg62 |
| 21:24.55 | abyss | re thx it was the missing wlan0 interface in the interfaces |
| 21:24.58 | Overand | ok i missed that. =] |
| 21:24.59 | madmavric | apt-get install kde-base |
| 21:25.06 | abyss | now my wlan works fine :D |
| 21:25.08 | Overand | or dpkg-reconfigure kde-base |
| 21:25.09 | abyss | b/g |
| 21:25.19 | Bac9 | madmavric: apt-get install kde <-- should pull all of kde in |
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| 21:25.36 | madmavric | ok then from command line i run kdestart? |
| 21:25.47 | wiserules | trave11er: i get another huge list of dependencies that wont be installed |
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| 21:25.50 | Bac9 | madmavric: yes if that's the way you want to start it |
| 21:25.52 | wiserules | all libxxxx |
| 21:26.09 | madmavric | well thatll do for now, im pretty new with this stuff |
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| 21:26.25 | krono | wiserules: what do youinstall whit? apt-get? dpkg? aptitude? |
| 21:26.27 | madmavric | once im in the gui, i can edit the xsession file i assume |
| 21:26.29 | trave11er | wiserules: well, beats me |
| 21:26.34 | trave11er | wiserules: sorry, no idea |
| 21:26.36 | Bac9 | madmavric: yes |
| 21:26.38 | wiserules | krono: trying with apt-get |
| 21:26.39 | Pappa | any good programs for organizing your music? |
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| 21:26.44 | danka | I can get aplay to play all manner of .wav files, but the xapps (say, gnome cdplayer or sound config) in gnome don't play. any ideas? |
| 21:26.48 | wiserules | trave11er: ok thanks man for the help |
| 21:26.51 | bert_ | hello |
| 21:26.57 | krono | ui. heard, aptitude does better dependencie-handling ?!? |
| 21:26.59 | madmavric | ok , ill give that a go then , thanks guys for your help |
| 21:27.11 | Bac9 | madmavric: but if you just install kde it'll probably be the only window manager available and thus the system default anyway so you shouldn't care |
| 21:27.39 | madmavric | well i did a debian install before, then installed kde, but i got no options for starting kde on post |
| 21:27.46 | Bac9 | madmavric: then the rest of the advice is not really usefull as it will not be nessesary unless you install another window manager |
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| 21:28.03 | madmavric | of course i had no idea how to start kde |
| 21:28.14 | madmavric | kdestart is the command as i understand it now |
| 21:28.18 | Bac9 | madmavric: you need xdm/gdm/kdm to start X on boot automagically |
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| 21:28.40 | madmavric | apt-get install xdm, gdm, and kdm then? |
| 21:28.44 | Bac9 | madmavric: if you don't want to go into X automagically then yes kdestart will start kde |
| 21:28.53 | ndee | I need the most simple SMTP server there is. Currently, I have postfix installed but it's just too big for me. I just need to send mail, which one can you recommend? |
| 21:28.55 | Bac9 | madmavric: xdm or gdm or kdm |
| 21:28.58 | krono | madmavric: choose ;) |
| 21:29.08 | madmavric | ok, kdm for kde i got it |
| 21:29.14 | madmavric | gdm for gnome |
| 21:29.15 | Bac9 | madmavric: since you're using kde then you'd want kdm (closer match to the look) |
| 21:30.06 | krono | lol |
| 21:30.06 | madmavric | so just do a apt-get install kdm, |
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| 21:30.06 | madmavric | and kde will start auto at post? |
| 21:30.06 | krono | madmavric: g/kdm are primarily for the respective but can start each another ;) |
| 21:30.39 | madmavric | ok well i think i have enough info, hopefully i can muddle my way through this this time |
| 21:30.50 | krono | good luck ;) |
| 21:30.50 | Bac9 | madmavric: but in any case `aptitude install kde` will install all of that anyway, since aptitude automatically installs 'recomends' |
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| 21:31.11 | madmavric | whats aptitude? similar to apt-get? |
| 21:31.12 | fuag | hmm |
| 21:31.24 | Bac9 | madmavric: aptitude is a console gui to apt |
| 21:31.25 | krono | madmavric: yea, bu gui.capable |
| 21:31.29 | fuag | ok I think i know why its failing to find nvidia-kernel |
| 21:31.37 | fuag | i cant apt-get nvidia kernel |
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| 21:31.42 | Bac9 | madmavric: but it can be used with command line arguments too |
| 21:31.45 | metaperl | On my box, I have to login as root, then type kdm, then login as metaperl... How can I have bootup go straight to kdm instead of starting with a text login screen? |
| 21:31.57 | madmavric | well is aptitude already installed? |
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| 21:32.07 | madmavric | or do i have to apt-get that too |
| 21:32.13 | Bac9 | madmavric: if it's not then apt-get install aptitude |
| 21:32.21 | krono | i think its standrard by now |
| 21:32.23 | madmavric | ok, well some food for thought, thanks |
| 21:32.24 | Bac9 | madmavric: try and see |
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| 21:32.34 | fuag | its says package nvidia-kernel is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is mising... blah blah blah |
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| 21:32.45 | Bac9 | madmavric: but I think it's installed by default with sarge |
| 21:32.45 | fuag | so is there no way to get the nvidia drivers working with debian? |
| 21:32.46 | madmavric | so your saying aptitude is the way to install kdm not apt-get? |
| 21:32.52 | fuag | using sarge 3.1 and a 2.6 kernel |
| 21:33.02 | krono | fuag, had it working tho |
| 21:33.15 | krono | you have to compile the module yourself |
| 21:33.22 | fuag | ew |
| 21:33.24 | fuag | lol |
| 21:33.26 | Bac9 | madmavric: I am saying I am more sure that aptitude will install "more" stuff then apt-get but I am not 100% positive |
| 21:33.28 | krono | this generates the nvidia-kernel package |
| 21:33.32 | fuag | how? |
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| 21:33.42 | madmavric | ok will give it a go, thaks guys, much appreciated |
| 21:33.45 | krono | apt-get nvidia-kernel-source |
| 21:33.53 | metaperl | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:33.53 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 21:34.05 | Bac9 | madclicker: once you're in X try using kpackage or synaptic for package management |
| 21:34.12 | metaperl | where m-a = module-assistant and a-i = auto-install |
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| 21:35.04 | danka | can someone please remind me how to change which window manager gdm starts for a user? |
| 21:35.19 | Bac9 | metaperl: a pretty long one-liner :-) |
| 21:35.42 | krono | danka: its in the /etc/alternatives |
| 21:35.42 | Bac9 | danka: ~/.xsession |
| 21:35.53 | krono | danka: think, x-window-manager |
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| 21:35.58 | Bac9 | danka: or use update-alternatives to change the system default for all |
| 21:36.24 | krono | Bac9: i meant that xD |
| 21:36.40 | Bac9 | krono: ? |
| 21:36.49 | krono | never mind |
| 21:36.58 | Bac9 | krono: "xD"?? |
| 21:37.18 | Bac9 | krono: oh an emoticon |
| 21:37.20 | ndee | I tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4 but nothing happend, what's the correct command to reconfigure that package? |
| 21:37.23 | krono | kind of closed-eye-lauging smile |
| 21:37.27 | Bac9 | krono: don't see that one often |
| 21:37.43 | krono | *G* i use it regularily ^ |
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| 21:37.55 | Bac9 | ndee: dpkg-reconfigure exim-configure or somesuch |
| 21:38.00 | krono | forgetting manners through im'ing ;) |
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| 21:38.28 | Bac9 | krono: I stick to the originals :-) :-( :-| |
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| 21:38.46 | krono | think it's well, tho |
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| 21:40.03 | fuag | installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add somethign to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives |
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| 21:40.11 | fuag | i have contrib and non-free already in sources.list |
| 21:40.17 | krono | exactly what it said |
| 21:40.25 | krono | ui.. |
| 21:40.29 | krono | *rethinking* |
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| 21:40.59 | KyKo | On a Monday... I am waiting. |
| 21:41.05 | KyKo | On a Tuesday, I am fading. |
| 21:41.17 | blu | hi, i have a hw-related question: if the RAM is DDR SDRAM 333MHz, does it mean that most of the bandwidth of a 2GHz FSB is wasted? <- this is the config of some amd64 laptops sold today |
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| 21:41.44 | krono | fuag: which dist? sarge? sid? |
| 21:42.20 | krono | fuag. |
| 21:42.27 | krono | who did you try to install? |
| 21:42.30 | krono | *how |
| 21:42.31 | fuag | nevermind fixed it with an apt-get update |
| 21:42.35 | krono | 'k |
| 21:42.40 | fuag | but now its asking me for my video cards buis id and i have no clue |
| 21:42.45 | fuag | *bus |
| 21:42.57 | fuag | its in the only agp slot i've got |
| 21:42.59 | fuag | if that helps |
| 21:43.07 | Bac9 | blu: fsb != ram speed |
| 21:43.08 | krono | i tapped ctrl-c then, 'caus my x-server was configured eralier.. |
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| 21:43.27 | krono | fuag: is your x-srver configured |
| 21:43.28 | krono | ? |
| 21:43.34 | fuag | yeah |
| 21:43.42 | Bac9 | blu: there are a few more slowdowns, in between |
| 21:43.47 | fuag | not letting me ctrl-c out of it though |
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| 21:44.06 | Bac9 | blu: better check with #hardware for specifics |
| 21:44.16 | krono | :/ |
| 21:44.45 | krono | which config interface? whith ncurses-interface this 'helped' |
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| 21:45.10 | fuag | nevermind i just took out the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:45.13 | fuag | at the end |
| 21:45.21 | krono | *G* |
| 21:45.29 | krono | another way, tho ;) |
| 21:45.58 | fuag | cool |
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| 21:46.09 | fuag | thnx for the help, I'm gonna restart real quick to check if it all worked |
| 21:46.10 | fuag | brb |
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| 21:47.19 | blu | Bac9: doesn't RAM connect directly to FSB? |
| 21:47.26 | wiserules | anyone know where to find out the horizontal sync range of my laptop? its not in the owners manual |
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| 21:47.53 | krono | wiserules: whatfor? |
| 21:48.04 | wiserules | setting up xfree86 |
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| 21:48.14 | wiserules | your aptitude advice worked, btw, thx |
| 21:48.15 | Bac9 | blu: for intel chips no, it connects through one of the bridge chipsets |
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| 21:48.27 | krono | np |
| 21:48.28 | tvn | wiserules: go to linux laptop sites (google) and search for your laptop model to see what ppl use |
| 21:48.43 | JoeBaldwin | Hi, I'm |
| 21:48.46 | JoeBaldwin | Sorry |
| 21:48.50 | wiserules | k man thx |
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| 21:48.56 | Bac9 | blu: the fsb only matters as far as connection of cpu<->chipset |
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| 21:49.07 | JoeBaldwin | Hi, I'm getting the error "client 2 rejected from local host" when I run X apps |
| 21:49.10 | JoeBaldwin | How can I fix that? |
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| 21:50.27 | Bac9 | JoeBaldwin: let me guess you're not running them as the same user or not from within X? |
| 21:50.34 | JoeBaldwin | I am |
| 21:50.37 | JoeBaldwin | I'm running t |
| 21:50.47 | JoeBaldwin | I'm running them as the same user I started X with |
| 21:51.00 | Bac9 | JoeBaldwin: but from within X? |
| 21:51.10 | JoeBaldwin | yeah |
| 21:51.11 | krono | $DISPLAY allright? |
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| 21:51.27 | JoeBaldwin | krono: I don't know |
| 21:51.30 | Bac9 | JoeBaldwin: you can always try deleting ~/.XAuthority and reloging in |
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| 21:51.42 | krono | then do a echo $DISPLAY in a xterm |
| 21:51.50 | JoeBaldwin | I can't get a term |
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| 21:51.57 | nyterukh | hello |
| 21:51.58 | JoeBaldwin | I'm trying to fix a different problem |
| 21:52.04 | krono | ow are u startn apps then? |
| 21:52.30 | JoeBaldwin | I'm trying to start kde |
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| 21:52.55 | allover | Is there any way to get a fix for a package that is badly broken (does nothing for anyone) into stable? |
| 21:52.58 | Bac9 | I second that, how are you starting apps then? |
| 21:52.58 | krono | how? |
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| 21:53.28 | Bac9 | allover: nmu and some nice talking to the ftp guys? |
| 21:53.44 | Isildur | anyone knows anything about tvcards on linux?? I'm totally lost, everything segfaults (tvtime. vlc, xawtv) |
| 21:53.47 | allover | Bac9: No, I mean even for the maintainer |
| 21:53.50 | JoeBaldwin | Bac9: I'm trying to run KDE, but it won't work |
| 21:53.51 | mwilson | allover: Such as? |
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| 21:54.09 | krono | JoeBaldwin: how are u tring? |
| 21:54.10 | allover | mwilson: Er, I don't want to badmouth the maintainer... |
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| 21:54.20 | mwilson | allover: Uh, what makes you think the maintainer doesn't know the practice he has to follow? |
| 21:54.30 | Bac9 | allover: some procedure in the docs, it has to do with talking to ftp guys and stable-proposed-updates or somesuch |
| 21:54.37 | Isildur | and cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg only gives noise (even after trying to tune to a channel) |
| 21:54.52 | gravity | allover: Depends on the breakage and the package |
| 21:54.53 | Bac9 | JoeBaldwin: and how are you starting it? |
| 21:54.54 | mwilson | allover: Of course you want to badmouth the maintainer. You just did. Twice. So, are you actually going to identify the package, or do people have to guess what problem you think you have? |
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| 21:54.59 | gulligan | Hey there Debian masters :P ... I'm trying to setup eggdrop on a friends server... And he don't have tcl installed... he told me it's debian... and i tried apt-get install tcl8.4.11 But it told me apt-get command not found... so i downloaded the .deb file from the debian.org... and when i do dpkg --install tcl8.4.11.deb it ALSO tells me dpkg command not found... Any way of checking what version he uses? feels really wei |
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| 21:55.09 | cpm3 | Hi |
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| 21:55.19 | Bac9 | mwilson: as I parsed it he said he was the maintainer |
| 21:55.19 | allover | mwilson: I tried the package; broken some misconfiguration. I report the bug; maintainer says "Fixed in unstable version. Closing the bug." |
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| 21:55.24 | othernoob | how do i get vobsub subtitles displayed in vlc or kaffeine? |
| 21:55.34 | cpm3 | whick packet contains 'netcardconfig' (debian sarge) ? |
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| 21:55.46 | Bac9 | mwilson: then again I could have misparsed |
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| 21:55.56 | gravity | allover: Re-open it and tag it "sarge" |
| 21:55.58 | krono | gulligan: di lsb_release -a to get the dist |
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| 21:56.08 | allover | mwilson: Now, as I see it, anybody who tries the package won't be able to use it, and won't find any information in the BTS because it's closed |
| 21:56.08 | gulligan | thx krono |
| 21:56.12 | krono | *do "lsb_release -" |
| 21:56.12 | mwilson | allover: And will you be getting around to actually identifying the package? |
| 21:56.14 | krono | -a |
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| 21:56.32 | allover | gravity: OK, I can do that. |
| 21:56.33 | mwilson | allover: Why would a bug disappear from the BTS just because it's closed? |
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| 21:57.02 | cpm3 | you guys have 'netcardconfig' installed on debian sarge?? |
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| 21:57.03 | allover | mwilson: Well, as a user, I see open bugs, and I see recently closed bugs. |
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| 21:57.10 | Stereo | hi, I'm having trouble using nvtv. My TV displays a lot of garbage that changes depending on what I display on my monitor. I'm running etch with the open nv driver, the card is a nvidia GeForce FX 5200. I tried switching between PAL and NTSC, tried changing Free Carrier in settings, tried setting my card in Config, but I still can't get it to work. What am I doing wrong? |
| 21:57.11 | gravity | allover: If it's a *really* serious bug, you may be able to have it go in for the next round of stable updates, but your best bet is to backport the fixed version (or just the fix) |
| 21:57.33 | mwilson | allover: If you say so. The rest of us see the actual BTS. |
| 21:57.35 | barry | Uh...I'm having trouble configuring my USB printer |
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| 21:57.49 | allover | mwilson: Um, let me take a look again. Maybe I'm just confused. |
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| 21:58.27 | Bac9 | mwilson: you wouldn't happen to know why there haven't been many updates last few (3) days for etch? |
| 21:58.31 | blu | Bac9: by 'intel' did you mean x86-64 (amd64) as well? i'd like to know if i'll be overpaying by getting an amd64 laptop with 2ghz fsb, if ram is just ddr333 |
| 21:58.35 | mwilson | Bac9: Nope. |
| 21:58.49 | mwilson | Bac9: I don't track anything but unstable any more. |
| 21:58.56 | mwilson | Bac9: And only one of those. |
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| 21:59.05 | Bac9 | blu: with amd chips there's only one bridge but I think memmory access still goes through it (I could be wrong) |
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| 21:59.10 | Stereo | great... |
| 21:59.28 | Bac9 | blu: naa, that's average specs, take it if you have the spare $$$ |
| 21:59.34 | krono | Bac9: you shure? think of "double channel" |
| 21:59.49 | blu | Bac9: it's top of the line for a laptop |
| 21:59.50 | barry | I have absolutely no clue how to configure my USB printer. |
| 21:59.51 | allover | mwilson: yeah, all right, I know they're archived, but if I want to know why the package doesn't work now, I haven't been looking through the archive of supposedly fixed bugs... |
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| 22:00.11 | crosswound | test |
| 22:00.11 | Bac9 | krono: 333x2=666 << 2000 |
| 22:00.13 | crosswound | damn |
| 22:00.20 | krono | got me |
| 22:00.23 | crosswound | okaay i got a question how do i remove a service from start up? |
| 22:00.34 | crosswound | i always have to do /etc/init.d/servicename stop |
| 22:00.47 | transgress | crosswound: remove the rc.d file |
| 22:00.58 | Bac9 | blu: and since it's top of the line it's more expensive, if you want more info go look at review sites for the cpu/chipset you are looking for, they usually explain the details there |
| 22:00.58 | mwilson | allover: But of course you still can't be bothered to identify the package, yet somehow it's important to you that people be able to read your bug report. Curious. |
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| 22:01.00 | krono | check the respective /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 22:01.04 | einsteinmg | what would be a good license for a c++ template library? |
| 22:01.06 | concept10 | gosh, its too hot to work on cars (99deg. F) I guess I will be a geek instead of a car mechanic today |
| 22:01.22 | Bac9 | krono: signal still goes through the chipsets |
| 22:01.26 | mwilson | einsteinmg: The license you want it to have, of course. |
| 22:01.39 | krono | yea.. |
| 22:01.43 | nyterukh_ | sorry having problems |
| 22:01.54 | Bac9 | mwilson: k thanx |
| 22:01.55 | crosswound | one sec |
| 22:01.55 | allover | mwilson: Is it appropriate to reopen the bug and tag it "sarge"? |
| 22:01.56 | krono | Bac9: u confused me ;) |
| 22:02.03 | Bac9 | krono: with what? |
| 22:02.05 | einsteinmg | mwilson: lgpl is imho to restrictive, is it's possible to license the lib under gpl AND bsd/mit ? |
| 22:02.06 | nyterukh_ | got to wait for the other me to drop off |
| 22:02.16 | blu | Bac9: I did, its compaq r4025us - I found 1 (!) user review on cnet saying something like "dvdr is cool" - not very helpful |
| 22:02.19 | mwilson | allover: Funny, why are you asking me if it's OK to do what gravity told you to do? |
| 22:02.25 | krono | chattering about fsb and ram-frequencie xD |
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| 22:02.44 | Bac9 | einsteinmg: read the lgpl, it mentions gpl explicitly |
| 22:02.52 | allover | mwilson, gravity, whoever: because I'm not used to IRC? |
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| 22:03.25 | Bac9 | blu: look up the actual review of the cpu, not the laptop, or read the whitepapers if you feel like boaring yourself to death |
| 22:03.27 | nyterukh_ | not a trusting soul |
| 22:03.33 | krono | new day here.. |
| 22:03.40 | einsteinmg | Bac9: the problem is, that there is no way to link a template lib ... so lgpl is the same as gpl in this situation |
| 22:03.49 | wiserules | can someone help me get online? i'm hard wired right now to my WRT54G |
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| 22:03.54 | crosswound | i found the file |
| 22:03.58 | crosswound | but how do i remove it from serive? |
| 22:04.01 | crosswound | i havet o delete it? |
| 22:04.08 | Bac9 | einsteinmg: feel free to rewrite |
| 22:04.10 | krono | name the file, pls |
| 22:04.11 | TheBlueWizard | einsteinmg: you generally can't license with the "AND" condition, since GPL forbids additional restrictions (I am not 100% sure re: MIT angle) |
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| 22:04.21 | Bac9 | krono: oh oh I want two scoops :-) |
| 22:04.30 | crosswound | its K20cupsys |
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| 22:04.42 | krono | *g* *handing it to Bac9 * |
| 22:04.51 | krono | which dir? |
| 22:04.54 | mwilson | TheBlueWizard: Where's the and? |
| 22:04.55 | Bac9 | krono: thanx, what flavour? |
| 22:04.56 | crosswound | rc0.d |
| 22:04.56 | einsteinmg | TheBlueWizard: the bsd is no additional restrictions, not in any case ;) |
| 22:05.02 | crosswound | its /etc/rc0.d |
| 22:05.10 | mwilson | TheBlueWizard: I clearly see an or, but where's the and? |
| 22:05.23 | krono | Bac9: whichever u want (my english is not that good to name flavours ;P ) |
| 22:05.28 | einsteinmg | Bac9: ha...ha |
| 22:05.31 | krono | crosswound: wrong dir, tho |
| 22:05.39 | Bac9 | krono: I'll take chocolate :-) |
| 22:05.39 | crosswound | ? |
| 22:05.52 | krono | rc0.d s when yoiu shut down |
| 22:05.54 | mirak | how to change the temporary folder that nautilus uses to burn dvd's ? |
| 22:06.04 | TheBlueWizard | mwilson: einsteinmg asked for dual licensing with "AND"...."or" would work, certainly |
| 22:06.06 | krono | Bac9: chocolate then ^ *handing* |
| 22:06.23 | Bac9 | krono: thanx |
| 22:06.26 | crosswound | oh |
| 22:06.29 | crosswound | what dir should i bee in? |
| 22:06.33 | krono | crosswound: yare you using X mulituser or not? |
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| 22:06.38 | einsteinmg | TheBlueWizard: oh ok, shame on my, clear, bsd or gpl |
| 22:06.45 | crosswound | yea X multiuser |
| 22:06.52 | krono | then rc5.d .. |
| 22:07.05 | einsteinmg | TheBlueWizard: thx :) |
| 22:07.07 | crosswound | okay what to do in there? |
| 22:07.10 | crosswound | delete the file? |
| 22:07.15 | krono | hmm. |
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| 22:07.30 | krono | you could... |
| 22:07.36 | krono | i'm unsure there.. |
| 22:07.48 | krono | because why would you want to not start? |
| 22:08.04 | Bac9 | anyone know of a "gaby" type app for gtk2 or Qt? |
| 22:08.08 | crosswound | i don't have a printer and when that thing starts it takes a long time |
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| 22:08.14 | TheBlueWizard | einsteinmg: no need to feel the shame...I am still learning stuff about licensing (even though I have rad up on it for more than, maybe 7 years) |
| 22:08.15 | crosswound | gaby? |
| 22:08.19 | TheBlueWizard | read* |
| 22:08.41 | krono | hmm juts uninstall cups wont do? |
| 22:08.51 | einsteinmg | TheBlueWizard: ok *g*, i'll duallicensing my lib under gpl/new bsd |
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| 22:09.01 | Bac9 | TheBlueWizard: the *gpl licenses are the "simlest" I've ever read |
| 22:09.11 | Bac9 | simplest* |
| 22:09.44 | abyss | where i get divx codec packages? |
| 22:09.49 | koollman | Bac9: no, the simplest is probably the mit or bsd licenses... |
| 22:09.58 | ptlis | einsteinmg: Why bother? GPL projects can take code from projects licenced under the new BSD licence IIRC. |
| 22:10.08 | krono | Bac9: or jut 'public domain' |
| 22:10.08 | nyterukh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.10 | einsteinmg | Bac9: *gg* definitly NOT, bsd is far simpler http://boost.org/LICENSE_1_0.txt |
| 22:10.11 | Bac9 | einsteinmg: can't bsd be relicensed to gpl? |
| 22:10.22 | Bac9 | koollman: have not read those |
| 22:10.23 | einsteinmg | Bac9: imho not |
| 22:11.05 | ptlis | einsteinmg: They are according to the FSF: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html |
| 22:11.08 | koollman | Bac9: basically, it's almost 'do what you want with this, but don't say it's my work if you make a modification' |
| 22:11.09 | mwilson | That license isn't GPL-compatible. |
| 22:11.24 | ptlis | "This is the original BSD license, modified by removal of the advertising clause. It is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, compatible with the GNU GPL." |
| 22:11.51 | mwilson | ptlis: I was referring to the Boost license. |
| 22:11.53 | abyss | where i get the apt mirrow for divx (i think its starts with ma*.......) |
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| 22:12.10 | ralf | hi all |
| 22:12.34 | ralf | why when I remove the cdrom drive keyboard and mouse stop working? |
| 22:12.41 | nyterukh | k am i being heard |
| 22:12.42 | ptlis | mwilson: Ah, I was talking to einsteinmg, who seemed to think the modified BSD licence was non-GPL compatible. |
| 22:12.56 | krono | abyss: ask www.apt-get.org ;) |
| 22:13.02 | TheBlueWizard | Bac9: it is my understanding you must request permission from the copyright holder(s) to change the license...otherwise you can't |
| 22:13.11 | abyss | no its a non official mirrow |
| 22:13.13 | abyss | no its a non official mirroe |
| 22:13.20 | abyss | damn keyboard |
| 22:13.21 | abyss | ^^ |
| 22:13.31 | krono | aye. apt-get.org istn a mirror either. |
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| 22:13.42 | krono | it'll search it for u |
| 22:13.51 | krono | i think you mean the marillat.. |
| 22:13.56 | ralf | please, have a look at: pci_register_driver |
| 22:13.57 | abyss | right |
| 22:13.57 | einsteinmg | mwilson: boost is gpl compatible |
| 22:14.00 | Bac9 | TheBlueWizard: but doesn't the bsd licence alow for inclusion in other closed projects? |
| 22:14.00 | abyss | thx a lot |
| 22:14.00 | ralf | oops |
| 22:14.02 | foobus | abyss is thinking of /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:14.07 | ralf | http://rafb.net/paste/results/7cdI5c30.html |
| 22:14.23 | mwilson | einsteinmg: Since when? |
| 22:14.37 | einsteinmg | mwilson: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses |
| 22:14.47 | TheBlueWizard | Bac9: BSD allows for closing of the code, yes |
| 22:15.00 | maher | i'm running netstat -pant and getting tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1095 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -, how do i found out what's listening on 1095? |
| 22:15.15 | crosswound | okay one last question how do i make it do a command on startup all the time? |
| 22:15.19 | foobus | -ltunp |
| 22:15.26 | crosswound | ltunp? |
| 22:15.26 | krono | ask the web fpor what is listenin on 1095 for normal |
| 22:15.36 | foobus | for maher... |
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| 22:15.42 | crosswound | my bad |
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| 22:16.08 | abyss | its server are down |
| 22:16.11 | abyss | :/ |
| 22:16.12 | krono | crosswound: look at /etc/init.d/myblahblah or so |
| 22:16.22 | mwilson | The boost license fails GPL 3. |
| 22:16.27 | maher | foobus: ok - its nfs stuff... |
| 22:16.35 | mwilson | Rights not expressly granted are prohibited. |
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| 22:16.56 | Bac9 | TheBlueWizard: but does it allow for opening it under gpl? could be interpreted as closing |
| 22:17.00 | mwilson | That's the way copyright works. |
| 22:17.07 | einsteinmg | hmm... |
| 22:17.32 | mwilson | I wouldn't begin to say the FSF is wrong, after all, the GPL is their license, not mine. But *I* wouldn't call Boost GPL-compatible. |
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| 22:18.43 | maher | who designed nfs and how do i give them a good kicking? |
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| 22:19.20 | mwilson | maher: NFS was fine for its time. The problem with it is that the world has outgrown it and nothing suitable has replaced it. |
| 22:19.31 | krono | ack |
| 22:20.03 | TheBlueWizard | Bac9: OK I shall make it more clear: Let B be a BSD'ed code, C be a closed/proprietary/ code, and G a GPL'ed code. Then B+G is legit, and it has to be open cuz of GPL. B+C is also legit, and it can be closed. C+G is not allowed. |
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| 22:20.31 | maher | mwilson: i just want to run nfs on localhost only - but I don't seem to be able to do that in any convenient manner - it seems like i'm going to have to run a firewall |
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| 22:20.44 | Bac9 | TheBlueWizard: yep that's how I understand it too |
| 22:20.55 | krono | maher: let it listen at the lo interface only |
| 22:21.05 | maher | krono: how |
| 22:21.29 | krono | hmm |
| 22:21.41 | crosswound | krono i meant as in a generic command |
| 22:21.42 | krono | dont know exactly.. spry |
| 22:21.59 | crosswound | like to sstart a program in the background on boot so i don't have to do it all thhe time |
| 22:22.03 | krono | crosswound: how, genericcommand? |
| 22:22.04 | mwilson | maher: Uh, portmap supports running on localhost only... but I don't really see what NFS is good for if nothing can connect to it. |
| 22:22.19 | crosswound | i usually start it just by typing command & |
| 22:22.23 | krono | crosswound: put it in the byloads-script or what ists called |
| 22:22.31 | crosswound | byloads? |
| 22:22.38 | krono | myloads or so |
| 22:22.45 | krono | in /etc/init.d |
| 22:22.53 | maher | mwilson: i already have portmap listening on localhost only - I want to mount something ro in one place and rw in another - |
| 22:22.58 | crosswound | thre is no myloads in /etc/init.d |
| 22:23.06 | maher | mwilson: so i'm using nfs for the ro mount |
| 22:23.11 | foobus | wow. |
| 22:23.19 | einsteinmg | TheBlueWizard: ok |
| 22:23.34 | krono | crosswound: them create it for ou ;) make it executabel and link it in the right rc=.d |
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| 22:24.13 | barry | hello |
| 22:24.13 | Kylixen | Could someone enlighten me as how to change/add runlevels to the init? |
| 22:24.25 | foobus | /etc/inittab |
| 22:24.27 | mwilson | maher: Uh, maybe I'm missing something, but if portmap is only listening on localhost, why do you think you need the firewall again? |
| 22:24.38 | barry | I have a printer problem...I can't get it to detect my USB printer |
| 22:24.42 | Kylixen | foobus: I don't see any of the stuff in /etc/init.d/ being ran from that? |
| 22:24.53 | mwilson | barry: "it" being...? |
| 22:24.59 | maher | mwilson: nfs opens lost of random ports - i would the box only had one port open namely 22 |
| 22:25.07 | barry | CUPS |
| 22:25.08 | idnar | mwilson: doesn't nfsd still listen on whatever UDP port it decides to use regardless of what portmap is doing? |
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| 22:25.19 | allover | gravity: thanks, I (tried to) reopen and tag the bug. |
| 22:25.29 | gravity | No problem |
| 22:25.49 | mwilson | maher: Hm, I see what you mean. |
| 22:25.50 | Kylixen | foobus: Does debian have a script that will configure programs in /etc/init.d like gentoo does(rc-update)? |
| 22:25.50 | fuag | hmm... does apt-get install arts auto configure everything? |
| 22:25.56 | fuag | i mean |
| 22:25.57 | foobus | Kylixen, you are confusing two things |
| 22:25.57 | fuag | alsa |
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| 22:26.17 | krono | if it installs alsa whit it and your kernel is right, yes |
| 22:26.26 | mwilson | maher: nfs obeys hosts.deny, of course, but that's not a perfect solution, either. |
| 22:26.43 | Kylixen | foobus: Elaborate for me, please? |
| 22:27.02 | Bac9 | maher: you can controll the ports that matter and can block out the rest |
| 22:27.33 | Bac9 | maher: there's only 3 ports you really need for nfs |
| 22:27.35 | maher | mwilson: yeah - i have deny everything and allow localhost - of course what i really want is mount --bind to be able to mount something ro and rw in different places - but i'm not in a position to rewrite mount and/or the kernel unfortunately... |
| 22:27.47 | barry | When I try and configure the printer using CUPS I don't know which USB port to use, and it gives me 12, and I only have 5 ports |
| 22:28.10 | maher | Bac9: i would rather not run iptables but it looks like i'm just going to use it to block everything except 22 |
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| 22:28.33 | Kylixen | foobus? |
| 22:28.53 | mwilson | barry: Is the printer detected by the kernel? |
| 22:29.00 | Bac9 | maher: iptables is not really that much of an impact unless you have a slow box and a big pipe, an ealy pentium can handle 10mpbs just fine |
| 22:29.02 | Kylixen | Not a problem, can I wait or should I ask someone else? |
| 22:29.04 | barry | I...don't know |
| 22:29.05 | foobus | runlevels are /etc/inittab, the init sequence is update-rc.d |
| 22:29.16 | Kylixen | foobus: Thanks :) |
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| 22:29.20 | mwilson | barry: Then don't you think perhaps you should start there? |
| 22:29.23 | barry | how would I tell? |
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| 22:30.15 | pumpitup | can dpkg handle reconfiguration of pre compiled debian kernel? |
| 22:30.25 | nyterukh | res |
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| 22:31.06 | krono | pumpitup: how should _that work? |
| 22:31.15 | barry | how would you tell if a printer is detected by the kernel? |
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| 22:31.46 | pumpitup | krono: i dunno i tought it was something like make menuconfig |
| 22:32.02 | krono | err, its _pre_compiled. nothing tocchange,... |
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| 22:32.21 | pumpitup | hmmm than what config does it use? |
| 22:32.53 | mwilson | pumpitup: The one it was built with, of course. |
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| 22:33.06 | miausX_ | Hi! |
| 22:33.08 | mwilson | maher: The nfs howto has some discussion on these issues. |
| 22:33.36 | Neoalex | how do I get the latest 2.4 kernel? |
| 22:33.43 | Neoalex | apt-get install what? |
| 22:33.58 | deadfizh | Neoalex, apt-cache search kernel |
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| 22:35.37 | maher | mwilson: yeah - i can force things to use specific ports and block them... |
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| 22:36.05 | Danar | can someone help me with xine? i'm trying to play an mp4. i get video but no audio. works in vlc though. i have libmp4-0 & libfaad2-0 installed |
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| 22:36.29 | Bac9 | Danar: wrong audio output plugin? |
| 22:36.38 | Danar | hrm |
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| 22:37.02 | matthew-gray | Danar, make sure you are testing the output while no other app has the audio device in use |
| 22:37.06 | nyterukh | lol i think i am a bit lagged |
| 22:37.09 | nyterukh | !ping |
| 22:37.09 | dpkg | pong |
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| 22:37.32 | matthew-gray | ok, here is one for the mail admins out there |
| 22:37.33 | nyterukh | having problems with me internet connction till they fix it |
| 22:37.35 | Danar | matthew-gray: of course |
| 22:37.43 | krono_ | nyterukh: where to geht all 'commands' for the dpkg-bot? |
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| 22:38.00 | matthew-gray | I would like to setup exim to use spamassassin for all users and use each users individual bayes db any ideas? |
| 22:38.25 | minra | matthew-gray: #exim maybe |
| 22:38.34 | matthew-gray | Danar, have you checked for apps like arts and esd? |
| 22:38.40 | nyterukh | dont prolly guidelines? |
| 22:38.49 | Guerin | !my factoids |
| 22:38.49 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
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| 22:38.54 | krono_ | 'k ill try ;) |
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| 22:39.05 | Guerin | there are 25,000 or so commands - you really don't want them alll |
| 22:39.08 | thingfish | Hi, sort of new at this; created an ext3 partition, but I can't seem to get the fstab line right so I can, as user, write to it. Here's my relevant line from fstab: /dev/hda2/mnt/hda2ext3defaults 0 1 |
| 22:39.10 | matthew-gray | minra, always like to try here first due to the debian way of things :-) |
| 22:39.14 | Neoalex | actually how do I upgarde from woody to sarge |
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| 22:39.20 | Neoalex | kernel packages averything |
| 22:39.37 | Neoalex | using apt-get? |
| 22:39.42 | minra | matthew-gray: har! and i got shat on here for mentioning the 'debian way' . woot |
| 22:39.44 | thingfish | I basically copied a line from another ext3 partition. |
| 22:39.48 | Danar | matthew-gray: i believe i have both... but it works in vlc, so i'm not sure why it's not working in xine. i haven't touched the settings for xine, and it's set to auto |
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| 22:39.55 | Guerin | Neoalex: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 22:40.06 | v_2 | has anybody managed to get a syba/moschip usb-to-serial adapter working with the free usbserial module? |
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| 22:40.28 | matthew-gray | Danar, vlc is prolly using esd or arts as the output, xine is probably trying to acess /dev/dsp directly |
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| 22:40.49 | jeff88 | does anyone know if dell has an irc channel? |
| 22:40.50 | Danar | mathieu: fuser -v /dev/dsp says nothing |
| 22:40.50 | matthew-gray | Danar, try apt-cache search xine and look for the appropriate output plugin |
| 22:40.55 | Danar | k |
| 22:40.57 | mwilson | v_2: Is that device supposed to be supported by that module? |
| 22:41.21 | matthew-gray | Danar, do you use alsa or oss? |
| 22:41.27 | Danar | alsa |
| 22:41.37 | matthew-gray | ah, big difference |
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| 22:41.55 | v_2 | mwilson, no, it's the generic module that's supposed to sort-of-work for all the devices that don't have their own modules |
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| 22:42.07 | matthew-gray | Danar, i think you need the alsa backend for xine, i think it uses oss by default |
| 22:42.08 | v_2 | mwilson (i.e. without flow control or other fancy features) |
| 22:42.26 | matthew-gray | Danar, I sure hope oss dies a miserable death soon :-) |
| 22:42.29 | krono_ | can s/b kcik the 'krono' ? i reconnectet :/ |
| 22:42.32 | Danar | matthew-gray: xine plays audio in other things fine... |
| 22:43.09 | eranj | Hello for the great people |
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| 22:43.11 | matthew-gray | clarification, that OSS is for the Open Sound System not Open Source Software :-) |
| 22:43.20 | nyterukh | ll |
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| 22:43.32 | Danar | why is alsa better? |
| 22:43.34 | matthew-gray | Danar, how do you many 'other things' |
| 22:44.05 | Danar | matthew-gray: i've only seen a couple other times where it played video but not audio |
| 22:44.13 | krono_ | hey, how long is a timout for a 'dead' nick here?? |
| 22:44.14 | matthew-gray | Danar, alsa is much much more robust, has lots of nifty capabilities that oss lacks |
| 22:44.18 | Danar | but i have a bunch of mp4s here all the same |
| 22:44.33 | Bac9 | mwilson: ilsa+dmix is actually quite nice |
| 22:44.38 | Bac9 | mwilson: alsa+dmix is actually quite nice |
| 22:44.49 | matthew-gray | Danar, hmmm that might be a codec problem, if it plays audio in other files |
| 22:44.54 | nyterukh | i got onboard sound on this mobo...and cant get the sound to work |
| 22:44.59 | mwilson | Bac9: I have real sound hardware, why would I need dmix? |
| 22:45.18 | matthew-gray | Danar, does it play simple video files with sound normally |
| 22:45.22 | Danar | yes |
| 22:45.24 | v_2 | alsa supports more hardware than oss |
| 22:45.43 | Bac9 | mwilson: even real sound hardware can only mix so many channels (usually in range of 12 or 16) with dmix you can do as many as you need |
| 22:45.48 | matthew-gray | mwilson, yes it is, although there are some tweaks for it still yet |
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| 22:46.28 | matthew-gray | Danar, that is mostdefianately a codec problem then, have you tried marrilat's packages? |
| 22:46.40 | Danar | uh... no |
| 22:46.44 | Danar | don't think so |
| 22:46.55 | matthew-gray | ah yes the notorious marillat archive :-) |
| 22:46.55 | mwilson | Bac9: And since for 99.99% of people, all they need to be able to do is play their pirated MP3's and hear announcements from gaim, they need all that channel mixing because...? |
| 22:47.39 | Danar | mathieu: why would vlc play them fine when xine doesn't, being a codec problem? |
| 22:47.46 | matthew-gray | christian marillat (sorry if I spelled it wrong) hosts an archive that has lots of codecs and multimedia apps that cannot be distributed in debian for whatever reason |
| 22:47.48 | Danar | oh, and mplayer doesn't either |
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| 22:47.54 | Vivaldi | hello |
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| 22:48.03 | transgress | for whatever reason |
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| 22:48.04 | transgress | ? |
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| 22:48.06 | Vivaldi | could you tell me what 's the latest version of the kernel from sid? |
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| 22:48.14 | transgress | because they aren't free... |
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| 22:48.15 | Bac9 | mwilson: several apps playing simultaneously, sure if you have real hardware and only two apps at a time it's ok, but most people fail in one of those two respects, or are you saying that's what you use your sound hardware for? |
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| 22:48.30 | matthew-gray | i think the reasons vary but the archive is a very nice one to use |
| 22:48.47 | trave11er | Vivaldi: 2.6.11 |
| 22:48.54 | Vivaldi | ok thanks |
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| 22:49.00 | matthew-gray | transgress, i think that some are but have patent problems in the us |
| 22:49.04 | Danar | well i can't find it |
| 22:49.08 | kwyjiboy | what's the latest sarge kernel? |
| 22:49.16 | trave11er | kwyjiboy: 2.6.8 |
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| 22:49.48 | kwyjiboy | dead even 2.6.8??? |
| 22:49.51 | mwilson | Bac9: I've no sympathy for people who don't have real hardware. When you can buy a SB Live (bleh) for the cost of a pizza, there's no argument for "gee, I want to use my motherboard audio, but it sucks". |
| 22:49.58 | matthew-gray | Danar, check out http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 22:50.00 | kwyjiboy | not 2.6.8.3.5.3.4.3.5.3? |
| 22:50.12 | Neoalex | I get a libc6 not fully installed error |
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| 22:50.34 | Bac9 | mwilson: and what about those people that want to mix more then 12 channels? |
| 22:50.35 | Neoalex | what should I do... because apt-get tells me it's the latest version when i try to upgrade |
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| 22:50.38 | matthew-gray | mwilson, not that an sb live is anything like real harware :-) |
| 22:50.54 | Bac9 | mwilson: or probably 4 channels for the old $10 cards |
| 22:51.06 | Bac9 | mwilson: and maybe even 1 chanel |
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| 22:51.55 | pumpitup | i have a sb 16 Isa on my server and cant get it to work anyone know which driver or device it is installed alsa and eveything but doesnt work |
| 22:52.08 | kwyjiboy | why does a server need sound |
| 22:52.18 | krono | webradio?? |
| 22:52.22 | krono | scnrr |
| 22:52.26 | Bac9 | pumpitup: sb |
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| 22:52.45 | Bac9 | pumpitup: isa doesn't have autodetection |
| 22:52.51 | matthew-gray | Bac9, mwilson, if you like using esd or arts, playing oggs, and playing games at the same time then alsa + dmix = good thing |
| 22:53.04 | Gnea | pumpitup: install alsa-utils and run alsaconf |
| 22:53.08 | kwyjiboy | lawl@jumper switches |
| 22:53.10 | Bac9 | pumpitup: and I hope you have isapnp available as a module or compiled in |
| 22:53.10 | matthew-gray | pumpitup, is it the pci version? |
| 22:53.22 | pumpitup | nop isa |
| 22:53.25 | kwyjiboy | matthew..... he told you. it is ISA |
| 22:53.26 | eranj | My files on the 2nd harddrive are gone. could you help me? |
| 22:53.28 | Gnea | so? |
| 22:53.29 | pumpitup | ill try alsaconf |
| 22:53.31 | Gnea | run alsaconf :) |
| 22:53.32 | Bac9 | matthew-gray: I don't argue |
| 22:53.34 | matthew-gray | oh sorry missed that |
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| 22:53.37 | green_earz | Neoalex: i may be wrong here but the apt-get cache in /var may be full. checkout man apt-get for the clean arguments |
| 22:53.41 | mwilson | matthew-gray: I couldn't care less about either esd or arts, I have no use for ogg, and the games I play seem to work just fine. |
| 22:53.52 | Bac9 | pumpitup: you have to load the sb module manually |
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| 22:53.59 | madmavric | apparently sarge doesnt detect sata drives |
| 22:54.00 | matthew-gray | mwilson, valid point there |
| 22:54.07 | pumpitup | Bac9: how do i do that :S |
| 22:54.11 | Bac9 | mwilson: nethack? |
| 22:54.29 | Bac9 | pumpitup: modprobe sb |
| 22:54.54 | minra | angband ... ToME... zangband... langband... steamband... w00t |
| 22:54.55 | pumpitup | FATAL: Error inserting sb (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/oss/sb.ko): No such device |
| 22:55.01 | madmavric | or does anyone know how o insall sarge onto a sata drive? |
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| 22:55.16 | matthew-gray | pumpitup, gosh I have one of those in the basement, I got it working but it was long long ago in the slink era |
| 22:55.17 | Gnea | pumpitup: how old is that thing? is it PnP? |
| 22:55.35 | trave11er | madmavric: tried booting with linux26 ? |
| 22:55.39 | Bac9 | pumpitup: then they probably renamed the alsa version, read the docs |
| 22:55.46 | madmavric | whats linux26? |
| 22:55.46 | mwilson | it depends on WHICH SB16 you have, unfortunately... there were so many. |
| 22:55.50 | Gnea | mmadmavric: linux26 |
| 22:55.52 | matthew-gray | pumpitup, it was pnp, but I had to use the isapnp tools to get it configured |
| 22:55.54 | pumpitup | well the module name is snd-sb16 |
| 22:55.57 | trave11er | madmavric: that starts installer with 2.6 kernel |
| 22:56.01 | Gnea | madmavric: when you boot the image and you get a boot: prompt |
| 22:56.08 | Gnea | madmavric: you type linux26 and hit enter |
| 22:56.08 | Bac9 | pumpitup: maybe snd-sb? |
| 22:56.16 | madmavric | oic |
| 22:56.19 | Danar | matthew-gray: i already have it in my sources.list... |
| 22:56.24 | Gnea | with the nice shiny debian bootup logo |
| 22:56.26 | madmavric | ill try that thanks |
| 22:56.29 | Danar | a couple times when updating i got: /bin/zgrep: 103: Syntax error: Bad substitution |
| 22:56.30 | Gnea | gl |
| 22:56.34 | pumpitup | modinfo: could not find module snd-sb16 |
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| 22:56.36 | pumpitup | :( |
| 22:56.36 | trave11er | madmavric: if that does not work, /msg dpkg unofficial d-i |
| 22:56.42 | craigevil | anyone know when marillat will be bcak online |
| 22:56.43 | pumpitup | when i ran alsaconf |
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| 22:56.47 | Bac9 | mwilson: there was only one sb16 because it's a trademark (as far as I know) |
| 22:56.48 | matthew-gray | Danar, oh, you already have the marillat packages? weird |
| 22:56.51 | Gnea | pumpitup: did you compile that kernel yourself? which kernel si it? |
| 22:56.58 | eranj | Can some1 please help about mounting? |
| 22:57.03 | Gnea | !some1 |
| 22:57.03 | dpkg | from memory, some1 is IRC shorthand for "I'm a twit" |
| 22:57.05 | Neoalex | I get a libc6 not fully installed error |
| 22:57.08 | Neoalex | what should I do... because apt-get tells me it's the latest version when i try to upgrade\ |
| 22:57.10 | pumpitup | 2.6.8-2-386 no i got it with apt |
| 22:57.15 | liko | help --> irssi diferent codepage |
| 22:57.26 | Bac9 | pumpitup: did you try snd-sb ? |
| 22:57.36 | Gnea | hrm that should work then... |
| 22:57.37 | mwilson | Bac9: Cretive sold quite a few different cards with the name SB16 on them. |
| 22:57.42 | pumpitup | FATAL: Module snd_sb not found. |
| 22:57.53 | Gnea | pumpitup: is it that kind where you have to shut everything down to flip jumpers on the card? |
| 22:57.57 | foobus | dash not underscore |
| 22:57.58 | matthew-gray | Danar, all i can guess is that the video is encoded in mpeg4 but the audio is in some codec that xine can't decode |
| 22:58.00 | eranj | Could someone please help about mounting? my user can't get into a mounted h.d but root can |
| 22:58.13 | GlenneMannen | is there someway to get the host from ip like I got a ip and want it to be host instead? |
| 22:58.15 | Gnea | eranj: chown |
| 22:58.18 | Bac9 | mwilson: I've only seen one kind, sure it had options but it was same design (with some missing components on some cards) |
| 22:58.19 | Danar | matthew-gray: then how do i fix that? |
| 22:58.28 | Gnea | GlenneMannen: dns |
| 22:58.28 | Bac9 | mwilson: and sb was the driver for all of them |
| 22:58.31 | raf256 | is there some program like 3d mark? |
| 22:58.32 | Danar | matthew-gray: i want xine to be able to play everything |
| 22:58.37 | pumpitup | Gnea: yea |
| 22:58.44 | eranj | Gnea: but /etc/fstab supposed to mount the h.d so that the regular user could get into it |
| 22:58.51 | GlenneMannen | Gnea: in the console? |
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| 22:59.15 | cbecht | GlenneMannen: host or dig depending which way you want to go. |
| 22:59.27 | matthew-gray | Danar, mabey vlc will tell you the codec and then you can dig up the right plugin or lib for xine. |
| 22:59.31 | mwilson | Bac9: There's the original SB16, there's the PnP SB16, there's the AWE64, there's the PnP AWE64, there's the Vibra SB16, there's the PCI SB16, etc, etc. |
| 22:59.34 | Gnea | pumpitup: okay, and you're sure it won't conflict with any other irq/dma settings currently in /proc/interrupts and /proc/dma |
| 22:59.36 | Gnea | ? |
| 22:59.36 | Bac9 | eranj: umask |
| 22:59.46 | Gnea | eranj: what do you have in /etc/fstab for it? |
| 22:59.52 | pumpitup | gnea: yea |
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| 22:59.56 | Gnea | GlenneMannen: what are you trying to do? |
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| 23:00.01 | Bac9 | mwilson: the awe32/64 used the awe driver |
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| 23:00.16 | Gnea | pumpitup: you might have to pass that info along to the module at load-time |
| 23:00.18 | green_earz | eranj: ls -l the mount point /dir and have a look at its info user:group |
| 23:00.24 | mwilson | Bac9: Not under OSS. |
| 23:00.26 | Bac9 | mwilson: I wasn't aware there was a pci sb16, I thought they started with sb32 |
| 23:00.29 | matthew-gray | Danar, there is no gaurentee that xine will play everything, but it will handle lots of things. You might check out the xine site and see what they have support for so far. |
| 23:00.45 | eranj | Gnea: can I paste here? |
| 23:00.49 | GlenneMannen | Gnea: gonna do something to lookup a dyndns and get the ip then make the host out of the ip then insert that into a file |
| 23:00.56 | Bac9 | mwilson: yes under oss, I have an awe32 and that's the driver it uses, well that and sb, but you need both, with alsa you only need awe |
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| 23:01.06 | Gnea | eranj: if it's just one line, yes |
| 23:01.08 | green_earz | eranj: best in #flood |
| 23:01.27 | eranj | OK,watch #flood for a sec. |
| 23:01.31 | Gnea | GlenneMannen: type: host <ip> |
| 23:01.32 | Bac9 | mwilson: but the awe cards were never marketed as sb16 |
| 23:01.42 | Gnea | GlenneMannen: that will resolve it, if it's resolvable |
| 23:01.47 | matthew-gray | Bac9, i have a pci sb16, but in truth the card is an ens1371 |
| 23:01.49 | Gnea | well, reverse it anyway |
| 23:01.50 | GlenneMannen | Gnea: yeah |
| 23:01.51 | krono | so, i'm off by now.. nice debaining so far |
| 23:02.14 | Bac9 | matthew-gray: does it actually say on the card "Soundblaster 16"? |
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| 23:02.26 | matthew-gray | Bac9, creative just rebranded the ensonic cards after they bought them |
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| 23:02.31 | eranj | OK,now I got in |
| 23:02.37 | eranj | but I can't see my files |
| 23:02.45 | matthew-gray | Bac9, hang on I will tell you...(opens case) |
| 23:02.45 | Gnea | matthew-gray: snd-ens1371 |
| 23:03.01 | mwilson | Creative bought Ensoniq because they couldn't figure out how to do sound on PCI any other way. |
| 23:03.15 | eranj | plus hdb won't show in 'computer' (Gnome) |
| 23:03.20 | mwilson | It was soley to get Ensoniq's patents. |
| 23:03.33 | Gnea | ensoniq said "okay" so they could sniff more coke |
| 23:03.35 | matthew-gray | Bac9, no where's my flashlight ... |
| 23:03.44 | matthew-gray | Bac9, er now |
| 23:03.53 | Danar | as far as i can tell i have all the codecs installed |
| 23:03.57 | Bac9 | matthew-gray: what, no x-ray vision? :-) |
| 23:04.08 | mwilson | Oh, goodie... another HAL update. What are we breaking now... |
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| 23:04.30 | abrotman | HAL perhaps? |
| 23:04.55 | GlenneMannen | how would a regexp look like to just take an ip xx.xx.xx.xx out of a file? |
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| 23:05.12 | mwilson | Hm, should I be letting dpkg update if I'm not allowing apt to update... |
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| 23:05.23 | abrotman | GlenneMannen: depends on the format of the line ? |
| 23:05.27 | abrotman | awk might be better |
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| 23:05.59 | Danar | matthew-gray: VLC says the codec is mp4a |
| 23:06.01 | GlenneMannen | abrotman: it's one line and it contains an ip.. just want to take the ipnum out of that |
| 23:06.03 | eranj | My sources.list is wrong about security updates. what do I write for testing updates? |
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| 23:06.12 | kerpal | anyone know how to put a readlock on a mysql database table from within my.cnf |
| 23:06.18 | abrotman | eranj: testing doesnt' have security updates |
| 23:06.26 | abrotman | kerpal: #mysql |
| 23:06.35 | abrotman | GlenneMannen: i'd use awk myself .. |
| 23:06.36 | eranj | abrotman: so I just delete sarge updates? |
| 23:06.43 | kerpal | yeah i did.. but i always mirror my questions in here :) |
| 23:06.45 | pumpitup | err me stupid i just found i have two ensoniq audio pci lying there doing nothing :P |
| 23:06.51 | kerpal | heheh :) |
| 23:06.56 | abrotman | eranj: say what |
| 23:06.56 | GlenneMannen | abrotman: is awk like sed? |
| 23:07.04 | abrotman | GlenneMannen: awk is awk .. sed is sed |
| 23:07.13 | abrotman | eranj: you're using sarge or etch ? |
| 23:07.16 | matthew-gray | Bac9, sorry no luck, the card is at too steep an angle to read directly |
| 23:07.17 | eranj | abrotman: I got sarge updates for some reason |
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| 23:07.34 | matthew-gray | Bac9, but I sure am curious now :-) |
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| 23:07.40 | Bac9 | matthew-gray: doesn't matter then, but thanx for trying |
| 23:07.41 | eranj | abrotman: I switch from sarge to etch |
| 23:07.46 | abrotman | eranj: well .. you can either paste your sources somewhere ... or try apt-setup |
| 23:07.50 | matthew-gray | Danar, mp4a? not familliar with it |
| 23:07.50 | cbecht | matthew-gray: Hot swap? |
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| 23:08.07 | kerpal | wikipedia referincing in irc is soo cool. |
| 23:08.11 | matthew-gray | cbecht, man I so wish, but then my music would stop playing :-) |
| 23:08.16 | wishie | is there a way to turn off my monitor, or blank the display on demand ? like, a program i can run ? |
| 23:08.35 | abrotman | wishie: DPMS ? |
| 23:08.38 | eranj | abrotman: I forgot that. thanks. |
| 23:08.39 | matthew-gray | wishie, read up on the xscreensaver app |
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| 23:08.48 | wishie | yeah, like DPMS |
| 23:08.51 | abrotman | !tell wishie about dpms |
| 23:08.58 | matthew-gray | wishie, i think you can send a dpms directly with it |
| 23:09.08 | wishie | ooer, nice. thats what i want |
| 23:09.17 | beardy | wishie: man xscreensaver-command |
| 23:09.21 | Bac9 | cbecht: you can't hotswap regular pci cards, it'd be instant death to the card and maybe the slot |
| 23:09.58 | eranj | abrotman: Do you have a clue why I can't see 'hdb' (my 2nd mounted h.d) in GNome's 'computer' ? |
| 23:10.02 | cbecht | Bac9: I was joking, but actually I've done this before without ill effects. Wouldn't count on it though. =P |
| 23:10.14 | matthew-gray | Bac9, we some awesome servers at the office that have hotswap pci ports crazy eh? |
| 23:10.27 | abrotman | eranj: because it's not under .. /media ? .. dunno |
| 23:10.30 | abrotman | or /mount |
| 23:10.31 | abrotman | whatever it |
| 23:10.33 | abrotman | is |
| 23:10.43 | Bac9 | cbecht: then you pulled it out pretty streight, which is a hard thing to do |
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| 23:10.53 | eranj | abrotman: /mnt/hdb. but It worked yesterday |
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| 23:10.56 | abrotman | oh . that's not it |
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| 23:11.06 | abrotman | eranj: oh .. no idea then .. not using testing at the moment |
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| 23:11.11 | cbecht | Bac9: I once borrowed a PCI video card from a running server that didn't need it. When I reattached it later, I got my command line back. I was pretty impressed. Expected it to crash. |
| 23:11.11 | Bac9 | matthew-gray: that's some nice, although outdated hardware, pci is going out, pcie is in these days |
| 23:11.18 | eranj | abrotman: what's the command for finding which process is using the h.d? |
| 23:11.30 | abrotman | fuser or lsof |
| 23:11.40 | Bac9 | cbecht: you sure it wasn't a hotswapable slot? some servers have those |
| 23:11.46 | wishie | hmm, perhaps xset is the go.. |
| 23:12.02 | eranj | abrotman: oh... that's fuser. I must remember it! |
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| 23:12.13 | wishie | it works! nice! |
| 23:12.17 | matthew-gray | Bac9, it has those too, they are top of the line ibm rackmount servers :-) |
| 23:12.38 | cbecht | Bac9: By server, I mean a machine that I assembled to use as a server. It was a normal socket A motherboard from Abit, I believe. Definitely not *intended* to be hot swappable. |
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| 23:13.12 | matthew-gray | Bac9, the most amazing thing is the hotswap memory modules, i can't fathom that :-) |
| 23:13.20 | Bac9 | cbecht: then I don't recomend you try that too often unless you feel like buying another card and mobo |
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| 23:13.37 | Bac9 | matthew-gray: yeah hotswap is nice |
| 23:13.44 | cbecht | Bac9: There were errors in syslog from attempts to use the device while it wasn't attached. All was well when I put it back though. |
| 23:14.09 | cbecht | Bac9: It was a spare, and I was curious as to what would happen. I haven't tried again since. |
| 23:14.09 | matthew-gray | alright, case closed, time to go :-) |
| 23:14.28 | Bac9 | cbecht: you were lucky |
| 23:14.28 | eranj | abrotman: every option I put for fuser doesn't work. How do I user it? |
| 23:14.45 | Bac9 | cbecht: if that card doesn't come out exactly streight it'll burn out |
| 23:15.07 | abrotman | eranj: there's a beautiful man page for fuser |
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| 23:15.32 | abrotman | !fuser |
| 23:15.32 | dpkg | hmm... fuser is a handy command to 'identify processes using files or sockets' or if you find a port number that you want more info on, do: fuser -n tcp <portnum> ., or some people think it's is short for 'what the fuck is using that damn file!!!!!' |
| 23:15.37 | cbecht | Bac9: I dunno. I suspect it has a lot to do with the PCB layout of the card adn component selection and so on. Now I'm tempted to grab an old socket 7 board and some random cards and start experimenting. |
| 23:15.38 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:15.52 | eranj | abrotman: I tried it. Why doesn't fuser -m work for me? |
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| 23:16.30 | pumpitup | ok plugged in this : Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] but still alsaconf doesnt detetc :S |
| 23:16.31 | Bac9 | cbecht: ever seen a mobo short out? looks nice, all the sparks |
| 23:16.45 | abrotman | wtf is -m ? |
| 23:16.49 | cbecht | Bac9: I haven't *yet*. Maybe later today I will. heh. |
| 23:17.09 | Bac9 | cbecht: enjoy the fireworks |
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| 23:17.43 | cbecht | Bac9: I love commodity hardware. Socket 7 boards are like 10 for a dollar on eBay. |
| 23:17.45 | solinux | Hi :) |
| 23:18.13 | Bac9 | cbecht: and I thought I had old hardware |
| 23:18.14 | eranj | abrotman: What do you say? the commands won't work for me. could you remind me how to check which process is using the h.d? |
| 23:18.40 | foobus | fuser -n file -v -m /dev/sda[whatever] |
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| 23:18.43 | cmatheson | hey, i'm thinking about giving this whole 'dvorak' thing a spin... i've switched my console over w/ the loadkeys command, but i'm not sure how to do it in X (maybe w/ xmodmap?), what's the correct command? |
| 23:18.57 | cbecht | Bac9: I've got some VLB video cards around here someplace. |
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| 23:19.13 | pumpitup | could anyone help :) |
| 23:19.16 | abrotman | did you specify the mounted file system ? |
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| 23:19.36 | abrotman | pumpitup: you ran alsaconf ? |
| 23:19.50 | abrotman | eranj: fuser -m /mnt/blah .... |
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| 23:19.53 | huhcool | hey guys is there any way I can get my Canon i450 Printer to work properly WITHOUT turboprint? I dont feel like sending those guys any money. |
| 23:19.58 | pumpitup | abrotman : yup and said no detetced pci card was found |
| 23:20.03 | eranj | abrotman: OK. here we go |
| 23:20.06 | pumpitup | even tough lspci shows it |
| 23:20.09 | abrotman | pumpitup: did you stop the OSS drivers? |
| 23:20.09 | Bac9 | cbecht: ... you like the edge don't you? ... enjoy the fall just watch out for the sudden stop at the bottom |
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| 23:20.22 | mozo | Hi, I have an problem configuring my PS/2 mouse with kernel 2.6 |
| 23:20.33 | pumpitup | abrotman : how do i do that |
| 23:20.45 | abrotman | pumpitup: modconf or man modprobe |
| 23:20.54 | cbecht | Bac9: edge? |
| 23:20.57 | abrotman | foobus: and is now worth .30$ |
| 23:21.00 | foobus | yep |
| 23:21.20 | foobus | life's good when you think on't |
| 23:21.40 | peterS | !foobus++ |
| 23:22.19 | abrotman | there are lots of those still around |
| 23:22.21 | Bac9 | cbecht: bleading edge / danger zone/ etc |
| 23:22.21 | pumpitup | abrotman : ok done but still no detection |
| 23:22.42 | abrotman | pumpitup: what kernel ? |
| 23:22.48 | mozo | can any help me: |
| 23:22.50 | mozo | ? |
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| 23:23.04 | shingouz | foobus: Compaq SmartArray |
| 23:23.07 | trave11er | mozo: not before you ask |
| 23:23.09 | abrotman | help him what ? |
| 23:23.18 | eranj | abrotman: I'll ask something else cuz I got no paitent for this... Why that when amule tries to put a completed download on this harddrive it get freezes? |
| 23:23.18 | pumpitup | abrotman : 2.6.8-2-38also get this error when running alsaconf modinfo: could not find module snd |
| 23:23.28 | foobus | yeah. It has a gang of batteries to keep the cache warm when the system goes down. |
| 23:23.34 | abrotman | pumpitup: what is your machine ? |
| 23:23.39 | shingouz | foobus: EISA? |
| 23:23.41 | jim | mozo: /msg dpkg smart questions /msg dpkg ask to ask /msg dpkg repeat /msg dpkg research |
| 23:23.45 | foobus | no this is pci |
| 23:23.49 | abrotman | eranj: NFC .. don't use amule .. |
| 23:23.51 | jim | not repeat tho |
| 23:23.52 | shingouz | eugh |
| 23:23.56 | abrotman | jim: you forgot sicco |
| 23:24.03 | cbecht | Bac9: Oh yeah. I like to stay up to date on the newest happenings. I've even got an expansion card so I can have one of those new fangled bi-directional printer ports. |
| 23:24.07 | pumpitup | abrotman: aamd k6 400mhz |
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| 23:24.23 | eranj | abrotman: It looks like there's something wrong with the h.d mount. it doesn't show up in 'computer' also. any idea? |
| 23:24.25 | mozo | hm |
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| 23:24.33 | jim | research refers to it... I originally designed it as three things that all refer to the others |
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| 23:24.37 | abrotman | pumpitup: have you tried asking #alsa ? |
| 23:24.45 | madmavric | ok i did a base debian install, and apt-get install kdm, now how do i start kde desktop? |
| 23:24.50 | pumpitup | nope but will do |
| 23:24.59 | abrotman | eranj: what filesystem is the other drive ? |
| 23:25.00 | mozo | trave11er i have problems configuring my ps2 mouse after upgrading to kernel 2.6 |
| 23:25.01 | madmavric | kdestart doesnt work |
| 23:25.07 | jim | he hasn't asked any questions yet, so research applies more than sicco atm |
| 23:25.17 | eranj | abrotman: fat 32. could that be the reason? |
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| 23:25.23 | abrotman | eranj: doubt it ... |
| 23:25.26 | nyterukh | is there another manager besides gdms |
| 23:25.29 | abrotman | !tell eranj about vfatrw |
| 23:25.30 | huhcool | hey guys is there any way I can get my Canon i450 Printer to work properly WITHOUT turboprint? I dont feel like sending those guys any money. |
| 23:25.30 | nyterukh | err gdm |
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| 23:25.39 | jim | !radeon |
| 23:25.39 | dpkg | i guess radeon is the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html |
| 23:25.42 | mozo | trave11er I had configured /dev/input/mice, but the mouse dont work |
| 23:25.49 | abrotman | madmavric: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 23:25.57 | madmavric | anybody know how to start up kde in debian? |
| 23:26.10 | abrotman | nyterukh: kdm/gdm/xdm/pdm ... maybe more |
| 23:26.11 | madmavric | abrotman, thanks let me try that quick |
| 23:26.20 | abrotman | madmavric: apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm |
| 23:26.22 | eranj | abrotman: I was putting these same options yesterday |
| 23:26.31 | Gnea | madmavric: startkde |
| 23:26.35 | trave11er | mozo: hm, no idea about that, sorry... |
| 23:26.44 | trave11er | mozo: maybe someone else will know |
| 23:26.44 | mozo | :/ |
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| 23:26.54 | green_earz | madmavric: did you install apt-get install kde x-window-system-core ?? |
| 23:27.04 | madmavric | startkde didnt work |
| 23:27.15 | GlenneMannen | how do I execute a shellcommand in an awk |
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| 23:27.20 | madmavric | im installing x-window now |
| 23:27.35 | Pappa_ | damnit |
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| 23:27.54 | Pappa_ | my isp's dns service fell down :( |
| 23:27.55 | azol | hi all. is there any way to install sarge from nfs server? which floppy images do I need? |
| 23:28.20 | abrotman | azol: read the install guide |
| 23:28.21 | abrotman | !ig |
| 23:28.21 | dpkg | well, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 23:28.38 | mozo | I have problems configuring my PS2 mouse in kernel 2.6. Can anybody help me with this question? |
| 23:28.39 | peterS | hmmm, 'ig' probably doesn't need woody anymore |
| 23:28.47 | abrotman | !2.6 mouse |
| 23:28.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 23:28.59 | Gnea | mozo: make sure psmouse is a module, not compiled in |
| 23:29.01 | mozo | hm |
| 23:29.08 | [2hmc] | help with woody My desktop (kde or gnome) wont run ok my videocard, is 82819, monitor is HWP1489 and it can run the mode 28-57khz and v50-100hz 1024x768 800-600 640x480 |
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| 23:29.27 | Gnea | [2hmc]: woody is deprecated. upgrade to sarge. |
| 23:29.37 | foobus | what's 'run ok'? |
| 23:29.53 | mozo | Gnea heh, really, I used "modprobe psmouse", the module was not found |
| 23:30.13 | Gnea | mozo: then it's probably compiled into the kernel - you'll need to reconfigure and recompile and reboot |
| 23:30.21 | Guerin | mozo: use a debian kernel |
| 23:30.22 | abrotman | Gnea: i don't think it is yet |
| 23:30.26 | Gnea | foobus: what do you think it is |
| 23:30.28 | [2hmc] | the tope part of the screen is missing and it gets presented on ths bottom as if there was a border on the top that prevents from being loaded |
| 23:30.34 | Bac9 | cbecht: just use a usb printer |
| 23:30.45 | Gnea | abrotman: yeah but i know it is :) |
| 23:30.46 | Bac9 | cbecht: it's already bidi |
| 23:30.54 | abrotman | Gnea: not yet! :) |
| 23:30.55 | eranj | abrotman: I'll be back with more paitents later. thanks anyway |
| 23:30.59 | foobus | Gnea, when you tip it it spreads out on the floor? |
| 23:31.03 | cbecht | Bac9: err? |
| 23:31.12 | abrotman | [2hmc]: adjust your monitor ? |
| 23:31.21 | madmavric | i isntalled x window, but still no go with starting kde |
| 23:31.29 | madmavric | reboot? |
| 23:31.34 | abrotman | [2hmc]: and really upgrade to sarge |
| 23:31.37 | abrotman | madmavric: sure |
| 23:31.50 | mozo | jim curious? :P |
| 23:32.01 | Bac9 | cbecht: <cbecht> Bac9: Oh yeah. I like to stay up to date on the newest happenings. I've even got an expansion card so I can have one of those new fangled bi-directional printer ports. |
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| 23:32.06 | huhcool | hey guys is there any way I can get my Canon i450 Printer to work properly WITHOUT turboprint? I dont feel like sending those guys any money. |
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| 23:32.16 | mozo | bitchx-1.1-final linux 2.6.11.12(ramon) cypress.01kb2 |
| 23:32.16 | Gnea | foobus: cows have nothing to do with this |
| 23:32.19 | mozo | :P |
| 23:32.19 | cbecht | Bac9: Ah, gotcha |
| 23:32.22 | transgress | http://nodata.com/wtf/chances.jpg |
| 23:32.23 | foobus | :p |
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| 23:32.39 | eranj | abrotman: I'll be back with more patients later. thanks anyway. bye |
| 23:32.43 | jim | mozo: yeah, curious as to whether you run debian, when your client doesn't return anything when you're ctcp versioned :) |
| 23:32.48 | Bac9 | cbecht: you can try firewire if you can actually find a printer to support that |
| 23:32.53 | abrotman | eranj: ok |
| 23:32.58 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:32.58 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 23:33.00 | madmavric | nope no kde interface |
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| 23:33.16 | mozo | jim heh |
| 23:33.25 | jim | mozo: what's your uname -r say? |
| 23:33.29 | Gnea | the farting foo |
| 23:33.30 | cbecht | Bac9: I don't think that a machine that needs an expansion for ECP has firewire. Maybe I'll check if I can find my flashlight. |
| 23:33.46 | mozo | just askme :P |
| 23:33.46 | dub | does libxml-sax-perl work in testing? |
| 23:33.49 | mozo | ah |
| 23:33.50 | abrotman | Gnea: you are proficient in farting-fu ? |
| 23:33.54 | Bac9 | cbecht: :-) I thought you like new hardware |
| 23:33.54 | transgress | uname -a would be better |
| 23:33.54 | abrotman | dub: try it ? |
| 23:34.00 | abrotman | uname -r is just fine |
| 23:34.05 | jim | I just did :P |
| 23:34.07 | mozo | 2.6.11.12 jim |
| 23:34.08 | mozo | :) |
| 23:34.22 | mozo | i had upgraded for this kernel |
| 23:34.23 | Gnea | abrotman: especially when onions and anchovies are concerned |
| 23:34.25 | jim | so you installed that from a debian package? |
| 23:34.29 | cbecht | Bac9: Hey, if I can find an ISA firewire card, I'm all for it. |
| 23:34.35 | mozo | jim no |
| 23:34.38 | [2hmc] | abrotman : I did and what is funny sarge is ok but it runs slower in this machine woody runs faster but with that, any idea |
| 23:34.41 | Gnea | abrotman: ssssssh that's a trade secret |
| 23:34.51 | peterS | cbecht: yeah, good luck with that |
| 23:34.54 | abrotman | Gnea: not a problem :) |
| 23:34.56 | Gnea | :P |
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| 23:35.07 | abrotman | [2hmc]: how old is your machine ? |
| 23:35.26 | cbecht | peterS: Feh. I've got a soldering iron. The pinouts can't be *that* hard, right? |
| 23:35.26 | mozo | jim the kernel from debian package says this problem too |
| 23:35.28 | Gnea | i can distinctly remember the first time i had anchovies on my pizza |
| 23:35.30 | [2hmc] | its a HP Pavilion with a Celeron 500 Mhz |
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| 23:35.39 | [2hmc] | its old I know |
| 23:35.55 | abrotman | [2hmc]: that should run fine .. i've got sarge running on a 486 |
| 23:35.58 | jim | ok, so did you build your own or install from another source? mozo: reason why they say to use a debian kernel is they have every5thing possible modulized |
| 23:35.59 | Gnea | [2hmc]: at least it's not a 486 |
| 23:36.01 | Guerin | [2hmc]: don't use gnome or kde and you'll find sarge will be as fast as woody |
| 23:36.11 | shingouz | foobus: don't think, just install |
| 23:36.12 | abrotman | Gnea: what's wrong with a 486 ? |
| 23:36.13 | cbecht | foobus: It works fine on my thinkpad 570's. They've got P2-366's. |
| 23:36.14 | foobus | I want to rip open the battery pack and solder in new batteries |
| 23:36.22 | jim | you may have to rebuild again to include the necessary drivers |
| 23:36.24 | Gnea | abrotman: hey i've got one too ;) |
| 23:36.26 | shingouz | Gnea: yea. what is wrong with the 486'es |
| 23:36.29 | foobus | it's a bit worn: 1998 |
| 23:36.32 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 23:36.36 | mozo | heh |
| 23:36.37 | Bac9 | cbecht: make it yourself :-) |
| 23:36.54 | Bac9 | cbecht: connect it to the box via a nic :-) |
| 23:36.58 | abrotman | and fries |
| 23:37.06 | [2hmc] | Guerin I know but some teacher s leave homework and they wanit in ceratin formats... |
| 23:37.07 | mozo | jim For first I installed from a debian package, but the mouse was not worked |
| 23:37.13 | foobus | cbecht, yay! I learned to hate SuSE, Redhat, etc., on that sweet little thing. |
| 23:37.28 | Gnea | i want togo's |
| 23:37.30 | foobus | gnome is probably too much, KDE too. |
| 23:37.35 | TwistedEmotions | 486's were good for their time.. |
| 23:37.42 | mozo | jim after, I got an source of kernel.org, and compiled |
| 23:37.52 | cbecht | Bac9: Yeah. Networking is always the answer. |
| 23:37.53 | jim | still no? |
| 23:37.55 | mozo | I'll try to compile again |
| 23:38.15 | azol | abrotman: I see nothing about NFS in the installation guide. is it possible to install over nfs? |
| 23:38.18 | jim | mozo: btw, you can build a debian package out of that kernel |
| 23:38.29 | peterS | foobus: DEK as in Knuth? |
| 23:38.35 | abrotman | azol: i think with tftp and nfs yes |
| 23:38.36 | foobus | yeah |
| 23:38.39 | mozo | hum |
| 23:38.40 | jim | it's easy, just set the config the way you want it and run one command |
| 23:38.41 | peterS | cool |
| 23:38.47 | jim | builds the whole thing |
| 23:38.50 | jim | packages it |
| 23:39.22 | jim | I had a chance to meet Don |
| 23:39.40 | Guerin | [2hmc]: ? |
| 23:39.48 | silensius | how can i format my usb HD in ext3, i cant see whith cfdisk |
| 23:40.11 | distempr | Is there a good resource on understanding/implementing udev? Currently running into issues with rtc and md devices. |
| 23:40.20 | silensius | but its mounted and i can acces RW |
| 23:40.32 | Guerin | silensius: cfdisk oesn't format |
| 23:40.40 | Guerin | silensius: and you can't format a mounted volume |
| 23:40.41 | silensius | yes sorry |
| 23:40.42 | madmavric | I may have to use the vesa driver, i dont think debian has drivers for the i915G chipset |
| 23:40.43 | foobus | it's very dark with an orange dock thingy |
| 23:40.53 | jim | you can't (or shouldnt') format while mounted |
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| 23:40.58 | apoplex_ | hi |
| 23:40.58 | [2hmc] | I listen how do i put sarge and be fast as woody on that celeron:::? |
| 23:41.11 | Guerin | silensius: make your partition with cfdisk, use mkfs.ext3 to format it |
| 23:41.25 | apoplex_ | does anyone know where to get iasl as deb ? |
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| 23:41.40 | Guerin | [2hmc]: sarge IS as fast as woody. Gnome and kde in sarge aren't as fast as gnome and kde in woody. |
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| 23:41.52 | madmavric | anybody know if the intel 915G chipset is supported in sarge? |
| 23:42.08 | jim | madmavric: that's a kernel issue |
| 23:42.16 | peterS | and a graphics chip issue |
| 23:42.18 | madmavric | or x-window i should say |
| 23:42.27 | Supaplex | madmavric: i don't see why not. try it and see... |
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| 23:42.31 | jim | madmavric: and you should check BEFORE BUYING |
| 23:42.37 | peterS | madmavric: Debian XFree86 doesn't support the 915G, I think |
| 23:42.53 | madmavric | ubuntu ran ok on it |
| 23:43.01 | Guerin | well, it'll do vesa |
| 23:43.03 | peterS | madmavric: ubuntu doesn't use XFree86 though |
| 23:43.04 | madmavric | go with vesa then i would assume? |
| 23:43.05 | night[z] | hello |
| 23:43.08 | apoplex_ | does anyone know where to get Intel's ASL-Compiler as binary ? |
| 23:43.10 | Guerin | but ubuntu also has more recent drivers |
| 23:43.12 | night[z] | anybody knows if tellico package is broken? |
| 23:43.21 | Guerin | night[z]: the BTS knows |
| 23:43.38 | peterS | madmavric: for now. the x.org X server will be in unstable ... kind of soon now |
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| 23:43.47 | Guerin | apoplex_: why would we, in a free software channel, care about an intel proprietary compiler? |
| 23:43.51 | Supaplex | real soon now. ;) |
| 23:43.53 | madmavric | peter thanks |
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| 23:44.07 | apoplex_ | Guerin: need it for dsdt |
| 23:44.16 | Guerin | apoplex_: doesn't answer my question. |
| 23:44.33 | peterS | madmavric: I was away for a week so I didn't know the status of x.org, but it *appears* not to be in experimental yet. if you wish to try it, you can go to http://people.debian.org/~dnusinow/xorg/ I believe |
| 23:44.34 | apoplex_ | doenst answer my question too |
| 23:44.45 | Guerin | apoplex_: your question is offtopic. |
| 23:45.00 | madmavric | well not gonna game anyways, vesa should work |
| 23:45.03 | GlenneMannen | ok, fixed that now... now I got another issue... how to search for a startpoint in a file example when line starts with #start_here# it starts and checks each line for a regexp untill it comes to #stop_here# then the script stops. any ideas on what I should look for? |
| 23:45.05 | night[z] | Guerin: are you sure? |
| 23:45.16 | Guerin | night[z]: if anyone knows, the BTS should. |
| 23:45.19 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: This cocoanut shrimp is horrible... Any ideas? |
| 23:45.19 | madmavric | most of this stuff is slightly over my head |
| 23:45.23 | night[z] | i don't see anything about it |
| 23:45.24 | apoplex_ | Guerin: twas a simple qustion, if you don`t know it let it be |
| 23:45.26 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: don't eat it. |
| 23:45.28 | peterS | madmavric: yeah, well, even non-gaming, vesa feels sluggish. at least, last I tried it, a long time ago |
| 23:45.33 | night[z] | i just can't 'apt-get install' it... |
| 23:45.36 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: thanks. |
| 23:45.39 | Guerin | apoplex_: nope. |
| 23:45.40 | night[z] | dependency problems |
| 23:45.47 | madmavric | i know the auto detection program didnt work |
| 23:45.48 | night[z] | don't think that's a "bug" |
| 23:45.52 | Guerin | night[z]: what branch of debian? |
| 23:45.55 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You there? |
| 23:45.59 | night[z] | Guerin: sid |
| 23:46.06 | Guerin | night[z]: it most assuredly is a bug, if it's a debian package. |
| 23:46.10 | Guerin | night[z]: welcome to sid. |
| 23:46.13 | madmavric | i might have to go back to that gay sounding distro ubuntu |
| 23:46.17 | silensius | Guerin : is it correct mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 /dev/sda1 |
| 23:46.20 | madmavric | yuck |
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| 23:46.46 | night[z] | hehe... |
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| 23:46.53 | night[z] | sid worked so fine... |
| 23:47.02 | Guerin | night[z]: wait a few days, it'll probably fix itself. Try to resolve the deps manually if you can, and file a bug detailing what's wrong. |
| 23:47.16 | Guerin | night[z]: check incoming for the packages, they might just have missed katie |
| 23:47.23 | linoleum | hello , I have installed XORG today with the new repository .deb , and I would like to know what I should install to have the composite and other cool stuff . |
| 23:47.32 | TwistedEmotions | Weee... new version of xchat ;) |
| 23:47.32 | night[z] | Guerin: i think it's a package depending on kdelibs missing |
| 23:47.47 | Guerin | night[z]: that's nice. |
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| 23:48.32 | Guerin | linoleum: you're using experimental, unofficial X packages, and you don't know how to search for yourself? |
| 23:48.51 | night[z] | Guerin: "kdelibs4: Depends: libjack0.80.0-0 (>= 0.99.0) but it is not installable" |
| 23:48.59 | night[z] | how can i see the "incoming"? |
| 23:48.59 | Guerin | night[z]: ok. |
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| 23:49.15 | Guerin | night[z]: packages.debian.org/incoming |
| 23:49.18 | peterS | night[z]: http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 23:49.29 | linoleum | Guerin, and so, can you help me to knox these name? |
| 23:49.30 | night[z] | tnx |
| 23:49.39 | Guerin | oh, peters is right, i'm wrong |
| 23:49.52 | Guerin | linoleum: no. /msg dpkg search |
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| 23:50.30 | trave11er | i think the transition to new libjack version has been taking place |
| 23:50.31 | night[z] | Guerin, peterS: i suppose the problem is that libjack0.80.0-0 isn't @ incoming, am i wrong? |
| 23:50.52 | Guerin | night[z]: no, because even if it was in incoming, it wouldn't be available to apt. |
| 23:51.09 | trave11er | and nothing depending on 0.80 should be uploaded anymore |
| 23:51.13 | peterS | night[z]: also, it could be between incoming and the archive. there's a limbo period in there |
| 23:51.22 | night[z] | Guerin: so first the package must be in incoming and then to the archive |
| 23:51.28 | Guerin | night[z]: unless you can find or make a package of that version, you'll need to wait until it resolves itself. |
| 23:51.34 | night[z] | peterS: aha |
| 23:51.34 | Guerin | night[z]: right. |
| 23:51.43 | linoleum | Guerin, you're so nice |
| 23:51.45 | madmavric | cannot connect to the xserver |
| 23:51.49 | peterS | linoleum: isn't he, though? |
| 23:51.50 | Guerin | linoleum: thank you. |
| 23:51.55 | night[z] | Guerin: i think i will do and update later... |
| 23:52.13 | night[z] | an* |
| 23:52.16 | linoleum | :) |
| 23:52.29 | madmavric | i do have a ati pci-express x300 card, would that be supported? |
| 23:52.51 | linoleum | ok , I have find it on #xorg : aptitude install xcompmgr |
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| 23:53.01 | peterS | madmavric: I'm guessing no. but I don't know the full range of supported PCI IDs in XFree86 4.3.0 + debian patches |
| 23:53.14 | cbecht | !radeon |
| 23:53.14 | dpkg | [radeon] the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html |
| 23:53.16 | adaran | how do i check my CPU temperature? |
| 23:53.29 | madmavric | peter im getting a message cannot connect to x-server |
| 23:53.31 | peterS | madmavric: sometimes you can tell from http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/Status.html, but Debian has some updated drivers so you can't always know |
| 23:53.36 | night[z] | adaran: try lm-sensors |
| 23:54.00 | adaran | nique:/home/adaran# tail -n 2 /var/log/syslog: Jul 4 01:49:29 nique kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold Jul 4 01:49:29 nique kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 23:54.07 | adaran | that is reason to worry, right? =) |
| 23:54.09 | Shorty` | ahahah |
| 23:54.10 | Shorty` | yes |
| 23:54.29 | Shorty` | P4? |
| 23:54.30 | Guerin | goddamnit, i shoulda stayed home |
| 23:54.30 | madmavric | i think ill reinstall debian and start over on installing kdm |
| 23:54.35 | adaran | Shorty`, yes |
| 23:54.39 | Shorty` | yeh |
| 23:54.39 | Shorty` | it's saying |
| 23:54.45 | Shorty` | "shit, I'm too hot, I'm slowing myself down" |
| 23:54.46 | peterS | Guerin: at least you don't have tornado warning sirens going off downtown |
| 23:54.46 | madmavric | there should be a way to get something working |
| 23:54.55 | Guerin | peterS: heh, true enough. |
| 23:55.02 | peterS | Guerin: I'm ignoring it (: |
| 23:55.06 | adaran | Shorty`, hmmm where can i get more info about it? something in /sys? |
| 23:55.13 | Guerin | peterS: good luck with that :) |
| 23:55.14 | Shorty` | lm-sensors |
| 23:55.33 | [2hmc] | hola bola de bergas |
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| 23:55.48 | adaran | Shorty`, did /etc/init.d/ln-sensors start |
| 23:55.49 | peterS | Guerin: if you get "peterS has quit [connection reset by peer]" my place has probably been leveled by an Act of God |
| 23:55.51 | night[z] | Guerin, peterS: heh, libjack0.80.0-0 was avaliable through http://packages.debian.org and dependencies are working now: problem solved |
| 23:55.58 | peterS | night[z]: oh, good deal |
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| 23:56.08 | Guerin | night[z]: why was apt not bringing it in? |
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| 23:56.13 | Shorty` | type lm-sensors |
| 23:56.13 | Shorty` | if nothing |
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| 23:56.18 | Shorty` | type sensors-detect |
| 23:56.39 | night[z] | Guerin: don't know |
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| 23:56.54 | Guerin | night[z]: what does apt-cache policy say about it? |
| 23:57.05 | Guerin | !tell mozo about away |
| 23:57.10 | night[z] | Guerin: well, yes, I know, i downloaded sarge's package |
| 23:57.14 | night[z] | Guerin: but works |
| 23:57.17 | Guerin | night[z]: oh, i see. |
| 23:57.21 | Guerin | night[z]: nice. |
| 23:57.23 | adaran | Shorty`, once i'm through with that, do what? |
| 23:57.30 | Shorty` | type sensors |
| 23:57.40 | night[z] | Guerin: it will work till the sid's package is online |
| 23:57.49 | night[z] | thanks very much guys |
| 23:57.51 | Guerin | until the dep is fixed, yeah. |
| 23:57.55 | Guerin | no sweat. |
| 23:57.59 | night[z] | c ya ;) |
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| 23:58.21 | adaran | Shorty`, aah =) |
| 23:58.59 | adaran | Shorty`, now I've got 3 lines with "ALARM" |
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| 23:59.13 | adaran | Shorty`, my CPU says its at 40 °C though |
| 23:59.21 | Shorty` | yeh, whats your fans at? they normal? |
| 23:59.31 | adaran | Shorty`, CPU Fan: 4041 RPM (min = -1 RPM, div = 2) ALARM |
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| 23:59.37 | Shorty` | whats your cas temp at? |
| 23:59.42 | nyterukh | . |
| 23:59.49 | Shorty` | s/cas/case |
| 23:59.54 | Morti | Woody will run on a 386, right? |
| 23:59.55 | adaran | hmm don't say |
