| 00:00.09 | _rene_ | Morti: yes |
| 00:00.09 | Shorty` | there will be 3 temps |
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| 00:00.14 | adaran | Chassis Fan: 0 RPM (min = -1 RPM, div = 2) ALARM |
| 00:00.14 | adaran | Power Fan: 0 RPM (min = 168750 RPM, div = 8) ALARM |
| 00:00.15 | Morti | Neat. |
| 00:00.29 | Morti | And if not, there's always Slink. |
| 00:00.30 | adaran | Shorty`, MB Temp maybe? |
| 00:00.37 | Shorty` | yes |
| 00:00.38 | adaran | Shorty`, M/B Temp: +49°C (high = +80°C, hyst = +75°C) |
| 00:00.41 | adaran | 49 °C |
| 00:00.44 | Shorty` | now |
| 00:00.46 | Shorty` | that's a bit high |
| 00:00.55 | foobus | 49 is high? |
| 00:00.59 | adaran | really? |
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| 00:01.13 | adaran | i thought around 55-60 was startin to get high |
| 00:01.26 | Shorty` | Intel specs say it can't be more than 28 degrees for extended periods of time or they don't do CPU warranty (case temp that is) |
| 00:01.40 | cbecht | Yeah, for a processor. 49 is toasty for case temp. |
| 00:01.56 | foobus | oh, that's case... Never mind! |
| 00:01.59 | adaran | but i think it's the environment temperature? it might be bad heatflow, i've been gaming for 1.5 hours and i run a GF5900XT |
| 00:02.00 | Shorty` | *nod* |
| 00:02.02 | Morti | Ooh, this is exciting. I'm installing a new machine and I get to name it. Haven't done this for a while. :D |
| 00:02.07 | Shorty` | adaran, I'd guess so. |
| 00:02.14 | Shorty` | Morti, ahah ;P |
| 00:02.15 | foobus | m/b is case? |
| 00:02.19 | adaran | I guess I need a case fan =) |
| 00:02.20 | Kylixen | Does debian have a default preference for sound? Alsa maybe? I've been all over the site and haven't found anything about sound in the documentation. |
| 00:02.26 | adaran | or move the box out of the corner i put it in =) |
| 00:02.32 | dapxin | hi all. I am new here. How do I know what channel I am in and what topics is generally on? |
| 00:02.41 | adaran | good thing xconsole popped up and told me about it though =) |
| 00:03.36 | adaran | well i think i'll let it cool now. good night ya'll and thanks for the help |
| 00:03.37 | cbecht | foobus: Yeah, that'd be my assumption. Nomally there's a CPU temperature, so M/B refers to the sensor on the motherboard that *isn't* under the CPU, which is basically case temp. |
| 00:03.49 | nyterukh | shorty lol |
| 00:03.55 | foobus | cbecht, right... |
| 00:04.05 | Shorty` | mm? |
| 00:04.10 | foobus | ...clear now. |
| 00:04.10 | distempr | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! <--- wtf? |
| 00:04.22 | Shorty` | OH NOES! IMPOSTERS!ZA! |
| 00:04.23 | Shorty` | *cough* |
| 00:04.25 | Shorty` | sorry. |
| 00:04.27 | foobus | is there a smite for apt keys? |
| 00:04.33 | _rene_ | welcome in unstable. you apparently have repositories in your sources.list which are not signed |
| 00:04.34 | caphuso | adaran: what's your CPU temp? |
| 00:04.37 | mozo | jim ok, I finished the recompilation of my kernel, now I can find mousedev and psmouse modules |
| 00:04.44 | adaran | caphuso, 40°C |
| 00:04.46 | distempr | oi fun... |
| 00:04.48 | Kylixen | foobus: Is there a particular way I should install some sort of sound daemon? |
| 00:04.49 | distempr | k |
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| 00:04.52 | caphuso | adaran: and case temp is 50? |
| 00:04.58 | adaran | caphuso, yes |
| 00:04.58 | _rene_ | distempr: unofficial packages for example |
| 00:04.59 | Piranha | Is it considered bad form to report a dependency bug that will only affect people that have a package from Sarge and a mostly Woody system? |
| 00:05.00 | Shorty` | tis odd |
| 00:05.02 | Kylixen | foobus: Short of apt-get install alsa |
| 00:05.02 | mozo | jim i had loaded with modprobe, but the mouse continues not working |
| 00:05.09 | adaran | caphuso, well now it dropped to 39/46 |
| 00:05.17 | caphuso | adaran: it's switched. you need to configugure your /etc/sensors.conf |
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| 00:05.21 | Guerin | Piranha: that's not a debian bug, it's a pebcak error |
| 00:05.25 | jim | mozo: see if rebooting helps |
| 00:05.31 | mozo | jim I will rewrite the mbr with the new bzImage and will reboot |
| 00:05.41 | _rene_ | Piranha: well, woody is gone, but well, partial upgrades should work too. I think you can report it |
| 00:05.45 | mozo | yah |
| 00:05.47 | Guerin | mozo: mbr has nothing to do with a bzimage |
| 00:05.48 | mozo | :) |
| 00:05.48 | _rene_ | Piranha: but not with a high severity |
| 00:05.56 | Guerin | _rene_: what? |
| 00:05.56 | foobus | Kylixen, I've had my own problems getting my sound to work and, while I have, I can't pick out the one path among many that I have trod to reach my final happy (musical) home. |
| 00:05.57 | jim | mozo: you really should look into kernel-package :) |
| 00:06.04 | Piranha | Guerin: Even considering fsh is broken without depending on a version of Python it actually requires? |
| 00:06.08 | adaran | caphuso, i might do that tomorrow, if the problem persists. right now, i think i'll go to bed, since the fact that there are about 8 pages initial comments in that file describing it scares me |
| 00:06.14 | adaran | thanks everyone =) |
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| 00:06.22 | Piranha | Unless you happened to have the correct version installed (Sarge upgrade)? |
| 00:06.23 | Guerin | _rene_: Piranha: mixing wtables has never been supported |
| 00:06.24 | _rene_ | Guerin: partial upgrades *should* work |
| 00:06.28 | Kylixen | foobus: I'll just install alsa and use it. |
| 00:06.29 | Guerin | _rene_: why? |
| 00:06.38 | _rene_ | Guerin: it's policy. |
| 00:06.44 | mozo | I going to reboot, and i'll back here |
| 00:06.46 | foobus | Kylixen, alsa is necessary. |
| 00:06.50 | Guerin | _rene_: it's impossible. |
| 00:06.51 | _rene_ | or at least common sense |
| 00:06.53 | maher | Piranha: that's not really a bug - random packages form different dists might just not work together |
| 00:06.58 | _rene_ | Guerin: not always. |
| 00:07.06 | _rene_ | Guerin: sometimes yes, but not always |
| 00:07.15 | _rene_ | you can do proper depends, conflicts etc |
| 00:07.19 | Guerin | _rene_: not always, but when it is, and it's because of a hard dep issue, it's not a fault of the distro. |
| 00:07.23 | Morti | Ooh, this isn't going well. |
| 00:07.27 | nyterukh | what |
| 00:07.28 | Morti | Woody installer can't find the hard drive on this machine. |
| 00:07.30 | foobus | alsa, alsaconf, the correct modules, and for many apps you need the oss compatibility modules |
| 00:07.38 | _rene_ | Guerin: depends. if the depends say eg. I need >= 1.0 |
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| 00:07.42 | _rene_ | but you need 2.0 |
| 00:07.46 | _rene_ | it *is* a package bug |
| 00:07.52 | maher | Morti: install sarge |
| 00:07.53 | _rene_ | in other cases, not |
| 00:07.59 | _rene_ | but in such cases it is |
| 00:08.13 | _rene_ | maher: no. sarge won't work on real 386ers |
| 00:08.19 | _rene_ | maher: get a clue |
| 00:08.22 | Morti | maher: I'm more tempted to rollback to Slink. |
| 00:08.29 | Piranha | _rene_: What if fsh depends on "python" with no version selector? |
| 00:08.29 | cbecht | Morti: What kind of HD is it? |
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| 00:08.51 | jim | slink is pretty far back... |
| 00:08.51 | Piranha | Minor severity? |
| 00:08.54 | _rene_ | Piranha: I'd have to look at it which I don't really want to do now, sorry |
| 00:09.05 | _rene_ | it's 2:08 am here... |
| 00:09.05 | Morti | Ah, boot parameters for PS/2 ESDI, that might help some. |
| 00:09.17 | Morti | I dunno, it's an old MCA-based IBM PS/2. |
| 00:09.31 | Guerin | _rene_: it's stupid to file bugs against this sort of thing in mixed stable and oldstable, since the packages can't/won't be updated anyway. |
| 00:09.32 | cbecht | Morti: Nice. Good luck. |
| 00:09.40 | Morti | cbecht: Ta. ;) |
| 00:09.49 | _rene_ | Guerin: yes. but the bug may still be there |
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| 00:10.03 | _rene_ | Guerin: and can make a problem e.g on sarge->etch stuff |
| 00:10.05 | maher | _rene_: don't waste people's time filing bugs on mixed package collections |
| 00:10.06 | _rene_ | depends on the issue |
| 00:10.19 | _rene_ | maher: lol, I am a package maintainer myself |
| 00:10.29 | _rene_ | maher: I know what makes sense to file bugs on |
| 00:10.46 | _rene_ | maher: I know what is fixable and what not and how something could be fixed |
| 00:10.54 | _rene_ | shut up if you have no clue. thanks. |
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| 00:11.04 | maher | _rene_: stuff you too |
| 00:11.15 | Guerin | wow, this has degenerated somewhat |
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| 00:11.58 | foobus | this is where someone tells a joke... |
| 00:12.05 | nyterukh | usually |
| 00:12.06 | _rene_ | of course, if the problem isn' |
| 00:12.30 | _rene_ | t one anymore for sarge->etch the bug probably won't get fixed. it at least is not that important |
| 00:12.31 | jim | _rene_: it still makes mroe sense to check whether the bug is present in an unmixed, clean chroot |
| 00:12.34 | Piranha | I didn't think it'd be quite a hot issue. |
| 00:12.41 | _rene_ | but the maintainer can just add a fixed Depends: and be it |
| 00:12.41 | Morti | Still not liking the boot parameters. Time for Slink, methinks. |
| 00:12.53 | Linoleum | hey sorry, how can I have the transparence withe the xorg packagfe?? |
| 00:13.02 | Guerin | Linoleum: ask #xorg |
| 00:13.04 | _rene_ | jim: yes, that why I said above I'd need to check it which I don't want to do now since it is 2 am here |
| 00:13.17 | _rene_ | jim: but it *does* make sense in some cases |
| 00:13.21 | Linoleum | Guerin, they dunno about the debian distrib |
| 00:13.33 | Guerin | Linoleum: debian distrib doesn't know about xorg |
| 00:13.37 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 00:13.37 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 00:13.42 | jim | _rene_: sure, but that's not always easy to determine, as you must know :) |
| 00:13.50 | _rene_ | yes |
| 00:14.16 | Linoleum | lol guerin you're crazy |
| 00:14.26 | _rene_ | he is right |
| 00:14.31 | _rene_ | debian has no x.org packages yet |
| 00:14.31 | Guerin | Linoleum: so? You're stupid. |
| 00:14.40 | Guerin | rather be crazy than stupid |
| 00:14.45 | _rene_ | so what should we do? guess? |
| 00:14.56 | jim | Linoleum: it's not in debian... there is no x.org in debian, not in any supportable way |
| 00:15.01 | _rene_ | and no, ubuntu is not debian, if you use ubuntu go to #ubuntu |
| 00:15.02 | nyterukh | thats what i been doing since i put debian on this box |
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| 00:15.18 | Guerin | ah, i was about to nmention gravity |
| 00:15.23 | _rene_ | gravity: note the "yet" |
| 00:15.25 | gravity | I already spoke with him |
| 00:15.28 | Guerin | he'd know the answer :) |
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| 00:16.21 | Linoleum | ok guys well, tkx |
| 00:17.11 | Ugly_Duck | any idea why i get a printing error.. Could not convert to PostScript ? |
| 00:17.52 | foobus | Ugly_Duck, because binaries don't render well? |
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| 00:18.02 | jim | Linoleum: I keep hearing stories about x.org crashing pretty badly on people... but those are just stories and there's no way to investigate or solve without a workable infrastructure in place (which is being worked on) |
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| 00:18.22 | Ugly_Duck | foobus: its a pdf file i'm trying to print |
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| 00:18.39 | foobus | what version? Can you view it with xpdf or whatever? |
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| 00:18.43 | vision | hi , is posible to install debian in a pentium 300mhz 90ram 2gb hd? |
| 00:18.51 | cbecht | vision: yes |
| 00:18.56 | gravity | Cut it out. X.Org will enter Debian as soon as I can possibly get it there. If you guys want to help, rather than bash on people for using my packages, you're free to do so |
| 00:18.57 | vision | oh ok =) |
| 00:19.27 | Ugly_Duck | foobus: yeah, i am trying to print it from kghostview, i tried printing to my printer and to file and either way it gives the error |
| 00:19.59 | foobus | do you have cupsys installed? |
| 00:20.06 | mdh | gravity: you want people to help instead of bitch & moan? you're on drugs. ;-) |
| 00:20.15 | foobus | no... try it with xpdf or something |
| 00:20.21 | Ugly_Duck | foobus: okies, cheers |
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| 00:20.48 | trave11er | gravity: don't you have only 14 patches left? :-) |
| 00:21.05 | foobus | !help gravity |
| 00:21.25 | gravity | trave11er: Yeah, or less |
| 00:21.47 | _cat | who was saying that curl is more powerful than wget ? |
| 00:22.03 | _rene_ | gravity: the problem is we can't help since we don't use the packages. and well, I won't install them anyway before they're in sid officially. in which case I'd guess you need to do a explicit apt-get install xserver-xorg anyway, won't you? |
| 00:22.14 | nyterukh | what is curl? |
| 00:22.23 | ralf | nyterukh: a prog that downloads |
| 00:22.35 | gravity | _rene_: No, they'll update automatically from the xfree86 packages |
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| 00:22.41 | Kylixen | nytekrukh: a library/program for interacting over HTTP FTP protocols |
| 00:22.43 | _rene_ | ugh |
| 00:22.52 | ralf | nyterukh: it downloads from everywhere: ftp,http,ssh, etc. |
| 00:22.53 | Guerin | gravity: eep. no parallel xfree/xorg? |
| 00:22.55 | _cat | curl is a tool to transfer data from or to a server, using one of the supported protocols (HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, |
| 00:22.55 | _cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.58 | Gnea | _rene_: the problem is actually your attitude. Xorg will get there. |
| 00:23.09 | gravity | Why the fuck would there be parallel xfree86/xorg packages? |
| 00:23.13 | _rene_ | Gnea: I know. I did not say anything against it |
| 00:23.15 | gravity | Who the hell is going to maintain xfree86? |
| 00:23.18 | gravity | You? |
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| 00:23.19 | gravity | Not me |
| 00:23.24 | gravity | Have fun dealing with upstream |
| 00:23.28 | _rene_ | gravity: I just say it is not there *now* |
| 00:23.31 | _rene_ | argl |
| 00:23.34 | Gnea | _rene_: you said we wouldn't help with it though because some of us don't use them |
| 00:23.36 | _rene_ | s/gravity/Gnea/ |
| 00:23.40 | Guerin | gravity: i was more thinking a changeover period... |
| 00:23.45 | gravity | Why bother? |
| 00:23.47 | Gnea | but sid's unstable |
| 00:23.51 | _rene_ | Gnea: because it is not even in sid or experimental yet |
| 00:23.53 | Gnea | so it doesn't really matter |
| 00:24.07 | gravity | Dude... how much has to be changed over? It's not like X.Org isn't a fork that continues from our current codebase in unstable |
| 00:24.16 | _rene_ | gravity: so you convert the XFR86COnfig-4 to a working xorg conf? |
| 00:24.25 | gravity | _rene_: Yes, it should |
| 00:24.25 | Gnea | _rene_: right, so it doesn't really matter if you use it or not, it's likely it's gonna break, and enough people have been complaining about it as it is so yeah, there's likely to be a support base for it already |
| 00:24.35 | gravity | _rene_: It's the same file, just a different name |
| 00:24.42 | nyterukh | k thanks |
| 00:24.42 | ralf | i'm using experimentals xorg packages |
| 00:24.48 | Gnea | see? |
| 00:24.56 | _rene_ | and? |
| 00:25.02 | ralf | and it works |
| 00:25.03 | nyterukh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.05 | Guerin | ok, dandy. Last set of packages for xorg I used were horrifically slow - i'm figuring it must have gotten improved. |
| 00:25.12 | Guerin | roll on progress. |
| 00:25.22 | ralf | Guerin: it needs 8MB ram on my pc |
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| 00:25.30 | gravity | Guerin: Did you have composite enabled? That's generally a bad idea right now. |
| 00:25.41 | _rene_ | the only arch where I need x.org now is a arch where I can't install it yet |
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| 00:26.00 | Gnea | _rene_: you said "we can't help" as if to include the entire channel |
| 00:26.11 | Guerin | gravity: with or without. I'm talking about a ~1997 era laptop, so that may be some issue - but xfree 4.3.0.dfsg works fine. |
| 00:26.12 | ralf | now that i'm surfing, ircing and downloading rss feeds 11MB |
| 00:26.16 | _rene_ | (not when I don't want to get loads of stuff from sid and making my laptop unstable) |
| 00:26.20 | gravity | Hrmj |
| 00:26.32 | mozo | jim nothing, my mouse continues dont working :( |
| 00:26.37 | Guerin | ralf: this tells me nothing. The issue was that the cpu spiked massively on screen redraws. |
| 00:26.46 | Gnea | anyway |
| 00:26.57 | Guerin | gravity: I'll install your packages this evening on that box, let you know how it goes, if you like. |
| 00:27.06 | Gnea | i'll probably give xorg a shot in the next week or 2 |
| 00:27.17 | mdh | I used some unofficial xorg packages late last year... worked fine |
| 00:27.21 | _rene_ | gravity: how do you do that? copy XF86Config-4 over if xorg.conf foesn't exist? |
| 00:27.32 | mwilson | gravity: Did I just hear you say that Xorg is supposed to be a transparent upgrade from the current XFree packages? |
| 00:27.36 | gravity | Guerin: They've got a couple of bugs that I'm working out |
| 00:27.37 | _rene_ | gravity: anyway, any ETA? I am involved in the xlibs-static-pic stuff... |
| 00:27.43 | gravity | _rene_: I believe so |
| 00:27.46 | ralf | 0.0%cpu here |
| 00:27.47 | gravity | mwilson: That's the idea |
| 00:27.56 | mwilson | Brrrr. |
| 00:28.03 | mwilson | Why? |
| 00:28.04 | Guerin | ralf: i'll bet your cpu is more than 233mhz |
| 00:28.05 | gravity | _rene_: I don't know exactly. I'm trying to tighten up the last parts |
| 00:28.16 | ralf | Guerin: p3 celeron 600 MHz |
| 00:28.17 | gravity | mwilson: What do you mean why? |
| 00:28.29 | mwilson | Why are you doing it that way? |
| 00:28.30 | Guerin | ralf: video hardware? |
| 00:28.32 | _rene_ | gravity: can you check? I wonder whether I should backup my xorg.conf I got from a-user-of-the-bad-distri-which-should-not-be-namd for iBook G4 cloned vga out :) |
| 00:28.37 | ralf | Guerin: VESA |
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| 00:28.42 | quittt | oi |
| 00:28.43 | quittt | hi |
| 00:28.47 | Guerin | ralf: hrm, nice. |
| 00:28.50 | mwilson | _rene_: Uh, why wouldn't you have it backed up in any case? |
| 00:28.54 | gravity | mwilson: Because that's the way I'd like it to be done. Because xfree86 is going away and X.Org is coming in, and I want no interruptions |
| 00:28.54 | quittt | is someone using etch having problems with mountall.sh? |
| 00:28.58 | Guerin | ralf: vesa isn't hardware, of course. |
| 00:29.02 | gravity | And because I'm doing the work, and I like it that way |
| 00:29.03 | _rene_ | mwilson: why should I? |
| 00:29.09 | ralf | Guerin: i know |
| 00:29.13 | gravity | _rene_: I'll check later. I can't stick around. |
| 00:29.16 | nyterukh | ? |
| 00:29.20 | ralf | but who cares about hardware when i don't use it? |
| 00:29.21 | _rene_ | mwilson: I trust Debian developers doing sensible things. well. except some... |
| 00:29.26 | mwilson | _rene_: Because apparently it's important to you? |
| 00:29.31 | brandname | why does /usr/doc exist? it seems to be full of links to /usr/share/doc? it also seems to violate the debian standard.. |
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| 00:29.35 | _rene_ | mwilson: I don't use it atm |
| 00:29.48 | _rene_ | mwilson: I at m have it lying around for when xorg enters my machine |
| 00:29.51 | Morti | Where could I download Potato? |
| 00:29.56 | ralf | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND |
| 00:29.56 | ralf | 2926 root 16 0 24364 11m 1288 S 0.0 12.1 2:16.98 Xorg |
| 00:29.59 | _rene_ | which will be when I upgrade to sid at some time :) |
| 00:30.09 | Guerin | Morti: google for a mirror of archive.debian.org |
| 00:30.15 | quittt | I dont know what is hapenning here |
| 00:30.16 | davem | top lies |
| 00:30.18 | quittt | it is a bit strange |
| 00:30.24 | quittt | with mountall.sh |
| 00:30.26 | nvz | Morti: wtf you want potato for? :P |
| 00:30.30 | ralf | davem: sure? |
| 00:30.31 | Morti | nvz: IBM PS/2 |
| 00:30.36 | nvz | heh |
| 00:30.42 | quittt | something related with tmpfs |
| 00:30.44 | jim | mozo: is the mouse connected when you boot? to what port? what device node are you telling X to listen to for the mouse? |
| 00:30.52 | davem | ralf: ya, that includes all shared libraries too. right? |
| 00:31.00 | mwilson | Had an... episode once with Branden's scripts. |
| 00:31.01 | ralf | davem: not really |
| 00:31.07 | ralf | VIRT includes it |
| 00:31.15 | ralf | RES is the true used memory |
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| 00:31.30 | mozo | jim my mouse is ok, i've tested this in other machine |
| 00:31.37 | ralf | VIRT = RES + SHR |
| 00:31.43 | jim | my questions still stand |
| 00:31.48 | silensius | how can i give full access RW for all users for a external usb HD whith chown -R ? |
| 00:32.05 | mwilson | silensius: You don't, of course. |
| 00:32.07 | Guerin | silensius: use a vfat filesystem |
| 00:32.11 | ralf | silensius: chgrp -R users |
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| 00:32.23 | silensius | :( |
| 00:32.24 | mwilson | silensius: Is this supposed to be a trick question? |
| 00:32.35 | silensius | i'm a newbye sorry |
| 00:32.39 | chealer | [repeat] how does the kernel source's i386 defconfig translate to k7 stock kernel's config? are the differences documented and explained somewhere? I'm specifically wondering why APIC configs are enabled for kernels without SMP |
| 00:32.42 | Gnea | hrm, http://ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be/mirror/archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/ but no .iso's |
| 00:32.48 | Morti | Okay, Potato seems to have quite a few floppies. |
| 00:32.59 | mozo | jim in windows that i have installed in this machine his work perfectly (i have windows only because of guitar pro :P) |
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| 00:33.09 | mwilson | chealer: Is there some reason that they shouldn't be? You know something that motherboard manufacturers don't? |
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| 00:33.25 | mozo | jim when I return to kernel 2.4, the mouse too work perfectly |
| 00:33.34 | Gnea | chealer: because APIC is usually a good thing. if you want to turn it off, just append="noapic" or add it to menu.lst |
| 00:33.38 | ralf | _rene_: openoffice.org 1.9m108 packages works fine |
| 00:33.46 | mozo | *perfectly too |
| 00:33.47 | mozo | heh |
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| 00:34.13 | _rene_ | ralf: using gcj or evil Java? |
| 00:34.36 | _rene_ | s/gcj/gij/ |
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| 00:34.42 | Gnea | ralf: is that the 2.0 beta? |
| 00:34.49 | ralf | Gnea: yes |
| 00:34.56 | ralf | _rene_: i dunno |
| 00:34.59 | mwilson | I've fiddled with the 2.0 beta on Windows... it's not bad. |
| 00:35.00 | pumpitup | is anyone else getting the broken packages from apt unstable when trying to get kde :( |
| 00:35.00 | Gnea | ralf: can it read hidden text i ms word documents? |
| 00:35.02 | Guerin | ralf: ... |
| 00:35.07 | mwilson | Haven't tried it on *nix yet. |
| 00:35.09 | Gnea | s/i/in/ |
| 00:35.10 | pumpitup | how could i get it |
| 00:35.10 | chealer | Gnea: it doesn't seem to work that way. I'm talking about local APIC BTW (X86_LOCAL_APIC) |
| 00:35.15 | mozo | jim i have made changes as suggests Documentation/Input/input.txt |
| 00:35.18 | ralf | Gnea: try it |
| 00:35.21 | ugly | mwilson saying something isn't bad!?!?! |
| 00:35.22 | Guerin | pumpitup: what's broken? |
| 00:35.23 | Gnea | chealer: yes, i know. |
| 00:35.31 | Gnea | ralf: i tried it in windows, it didn't work. |
| 00:35.42 | ralf | check in preferences then |
| 00:35.46 | _rene_ | 1.9.108 still had some bugs I fixed in my local copy. but it should work. |
| 00:35.47 | mwilson | chealer: Again, is there something you think you know that the motherboard manufacturers do not? Any number of non-SMP motherboards support APIC. |
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| 00:35.55 | Gnea | ralf: works fine in the stable release though |
| 00:35.58 | pumpitup | Guerin: apt gives me broken packages some dependencies tried kde-core no work triend kdebase no work |
| 00:36.13 | Guerin | pumpitup: details |
| 00:36.15 | chealer | mwilson: I don't know. that's why I'm asking. |
| 00:36.16 | BaP|Magnethead | Hi, I am pretty new to Linux and I am looking for a version that will run stable and pretty fast (like for example win98) to use on an old laptop (466mhz, 32MB ram), I bought. Will any version of Debian do this for me? Is there a version of Linux that could run on that slow a system? |
| 00:36.16 | trave11er | chealer: you can get configs for stock kernels by running apt-get source kernel-image-2.6.8-i386 and looking in debian/configs directory |
| 00:36.19 | _rene_ | except the database module if you use gij |
| 00:36.24 | Guerin | pumpitup: what package is missing? |
| 00:36.30 | mwilson | chealer: No, you're making statements about it being wrong. |
| 00:36.36 | jim | what's guitar pro |
| 00:36.42 | Gnea | BaP|Magnethead: sarge will do it |
| 00:36.45 | ralf | btw, how can I make a video dvd? |
| 00:36.47 | pumpitup | Guerin : kdebase |
| 00:36.50 | ralf | never done it before |
| 00:36.53 | pumpitup | Guerin : kde-core |
| 00:36.59 | jim | I played with some pretty good guitar players friday... |
| 00:37.06 | chealer | mwilson: then I'm sorry for not being a native English speaker. I didn't intend to say that |
| 00:37.07 | Guerin | pumpitup: kdebase and kde-core are uninstallable? |
| 00:37.13 | ralf | _rene_: isn't gij really slow? |
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| 00:37.18 | BaP|Magnethead | Gnea: Should I do anything special during the install or will the basic sarge do it? |
| 00:37.27 | mozo | jim guitar pro is an program to create musics |
| 00:37.28 | Guerin | pumpitup: you've misunderstood me. WHICH PACKAGE that those depend on is unavailable? |
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| 00:37.30 | mwilson | chealer: If your motherboard doesn't support APIC, and the kernel isn't smart enough to not try to use it anyway, then explicitly disable it, like Guerin told you to. |
| 00:37.30 | pumpitup | yea well at least from the kernel.org unstable mirror |
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| 00:37.37 | Gnea | BaP|Magnethead: basic should be fine |
| 00:37.39 | _rene_ | it is. it has no jit. but that's why there will be native jars in some future package |
| 00:37.47 | jim | yeah, I use logic platinum for that too |
| 00:37.52 | BaP|Magnethead | Gnea: thank you. I will try that :) |
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| 00:37.53 | chealer | what I wanted to asked was why Debian's stock k7 [and probably all i387 too] kernels seemed to differ from upstream about that |
| 00:38.04 | _rene_ | but I don't use non-free crap unless I need to |
| 00:38.05 | jim | still using it to create practice sequences |
| 00:38.14 | pumpitup | Guerin: gives me a big big list which i dunno how to paste considering i am in bitchx with no x server installed |
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| 00:38.19 | ralf | _rene_: but sometimes the JVM is faster than the native code generated by gcj |
| 00:38.25 | Guerin | pumpitup: jesusfuckingchrist. |
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| 00:38.42 | mozo | jim I have an Prog Metal band, i need it to help me with the music compositions heh |
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| 00:38.47 | _rene_ | ralf: yeah, well. it can't be slower than only interpreted, can it? :) |
| 00:38.54 | ugly | Andromeda > mozo's band |
| 00:39.00 | Gnea | chealer: that's the way that SMP and uniprocessors differ, at lease in one sense |
| 00:39.01 | jim | nothing comes close user-interface-wise, especially in terms of midi connections and editing |
| 00:39.05 | mozo | ehehe |
| 00:39.06 | Guerin | pumpitup: it'll all come down to one particular package. probably libjack-somethign |
| 00:39.10 | _rene_ | ralf: and you of course can choose :) |
| 00:39.22 | chealer | mwilson/Gnea: so, would both of you agree that instead of recommending kernel recompilation, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/troubleshooting.html could instead just recommend noapic? |
| 00:39.42 | mozo | "House of Sleep" is the band name |
| 00:39.44 | mozo | heh |
| 00:39.58 | Gnea | chealer: i already recommended the 'noapic' option - try it and see what happens |
| 00:39.59 | jim | so you play prog metal house? |
| 00:40.13 | chealer | I'm partly asking since I heard ari question on #d-d about whether APIC should be enabled |
| 00:40.18 | mozo | prog metal house? |
| 00:40.28 | pumpitup | Guerin: could i bypass that to install kde ? |
| 00:40.36 | Gnea | chealer: here's the way i look at it: if it's not causing any stability issues, enable it |
| 00:40.37 | mwilson | chealer: Complain at whoever wrote whatever unofficial howto that is. |
| 00:40.38 | chealer | Gnea: I thought I already did, but maybe I'll do that |
| 00:40.44 | ralf | _rene_: i did some tests and i think that the JVM does function inlining by default |
| 00:40.52 | chealer | Gnea: it is causing stability issues |
| 00:40.53 | Gnea | chealer: dmesg will tell you if it is or isn't for sure |
| 00:40.53 | jim | where do you play? |
| 00:41.06 | _rene_ | ralf: ah, well, but it's still dog slow |
| 00:41.19 | jim | unless you have other crap in your dmesg that pushed out all the boot stuff |
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| 00:41.24 | pippijn | hi all |
| 00:41.26 | ralf | _rene_: is fast for really little functions |
| 00:41.30 | chealer | mwilson: I'll interpret that instruction as a yes |
| 00:41.36 | ralf | like matrix multiplication or md5sums |
| 00:41.38 | pippijn | will this break something: chmod 0700 /var/log ? |
| 00:41.46 | ralf | but a big program will be damn slow |
| 00:41.49 | silensius | how can i format my usb HD in fat32 from linux |
| 00:41.57 | chealer | Gnea: yeah...I think I had checked that |
| 00:42.01 | ralf | dunno why *g* |
| 00:42.01 | jim | mozo: what port is in your x config for the mouse? |
| 00:42.05 | Guerin | pumpitup: no. if that IS the problem (sorry - you actually have to READ the dpkg output) then you can get the package from sarge to fill the dep. |
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| 00:42.15 | cbecht | silensius: mkfs.vfat? |
| 00:42.28 | jim | (gotta know that... all bets are off otherwise) |
| 00:42.31 | chealer | trave11er: thanks a lot, I'll try that |
| 00:42.37 | ralf | _rene_: where is the option to enable kde widgets in OOo2? |
| 00:42.46 | mozo | jim ps2 |
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| 00:42.57 | mozo | ps2 port |
| 00:43.01 | jim | what's the actual name? |
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| 00:43.11 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.11 | _rene_ | there isn't any yet |
| 00:43.14 | mozo | ah |
| 00:43.16 | _rene_ | because KDE is C++ |
| 00:43.34 | _rene_ | and I need to wait till KDE is rebuilt with the new ABI |
| 00:43.40 | jim | so where do you play? |
| 00:43.42 | mozo | jim I tried /dev/psaux.. but dont work.. |
| 00:43.44 | silensius | cbecht : i can see it |
| 00:43.52 | ralf | gcc3.4 can't compile OOo2? |
| 00:43.57 | mozo | jim actually point to /dev/input/mice |
| 00:44.02 | _rene_ | it can. I use it. |
| 00:44.04 | jim | ok, /dev/psaux is the ps/2 port |
| 00:44.05 | pumpitup | Guerin : i am trying to read it its just that i dont know how to make it go slow to screen it page by page |
| 00:44.09 | FieldySnuts | yes it can. |
| 00:44.09 | _rene_ | but KDE is built with 3.3 |
| 00:44.15 | jim | and is for ps/2 connector |
| 00:44.18 | _rene_ | and the ABI differs |
| 00:44.22 | ralf | ah, right |
| 00:44.26 | ralf | true |
| 00:44.29 | jim | but /dev/input/mice is for usb |
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| 00:44.55 | _rene_ | I'll enable it when KDE is built with 3.4/4.0 |
| 00:44.55 | ralf | the C++ ABI transition in sid will take much time? |
| 00:45.01 | cbecht | pumpitup: pipe into less |
| 00:45.03 | mozo | jim i learned that /dev/input/mice works with USB and PS2 in kernel 2.6 |
| 00:45.04 | mozo | o.O |
| 00:45.06 | ralf | kde is really outdated |
| 00:45.07 | _rene_ | no idea. it will take some time anyway |
| 00:45.15 | _rene_ | ralf: they wait for that transition |
| 00:45.19 | jim | mozo: hmm, that could be |
| 00:45.28 | _rene_ | ralf: because uploading it now would be plain stuüid |
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| 00:45.31 | jim | but does your mouse have a usb connector? |
| 00:45.38 | _rene_ | stupid |
| 00:45.40 | mozo | no |
| 00:45.43 | Gnea | ralf: http://gnea.net/img/e17-yada.png <-- granted, it's just xfree86 but it's pretty slick |
| 00:45.50 | mozo | my mouse have a ps2 connector |
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| 00:45.55 | mozo | connected in an ps/2 port |
| 00:46.05 | _rene_ | because then you would have to upload it again soon when the transition starts and conflict with older kde 3.4 packages and.... |
| 00:46.16 | ralf | okok |
| 00:46.22 | mozo | only my keyboard is USB, but work perfectly |
| 00:46.35 | jim | so when the mouse is in the ps/2 port and you're listening to /dev/psaux, how is it not working? no motion at all? |
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| 00:47.01 | mozo | no |
| 00:47.09 | jim | ok, then what? |
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| 00:47.36 | mozo | hehe, good answer.. :P |
| 00:48.05 | jim | well, if it's not "no motion at all", what is it? |
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| 00:48.13 | mozo | i unkown that the mouse isn`t working |
| 00:48.26 | silensius | cbecht : mkfs.vfat comes whith dostools |
| 00:48.33 | silensius | thanks |
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| 00:48.56 | mozo | no motion at all? i don't understanding it |
| 00:49.02 | jim | the mouse goes everywhere on the screen, and skips around? |
| 00:49.16 | mozo | the mouse no work, simply |
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| 00:49.42 | jim | so, you move the mouse and the pointer on the screen is motionless... yes? |
| 00:50.03 | mozo | i move the mouse, but the point stay stopped |
| 00:50.21 | jim | ok, the data stream is stopped somewhere |
| 00:50.29 | mozo | yes |
| 00:50.42 | jim | are you running x now? or no? |
| 00:50.43 | nvz | mozo: did you plug in the mouse before you turned the PC on? |
| 00:50.58 | ralf | mozo: in console did you et gpm working? |
| 00:51.04 | mozo | jim yes, i running |
| 00:51.25 | nvz | you cannot just plug a ps2 mouse in and expect it to work |
| 00:51.30 | mozo | nvz no, o just plug or unplug with my PC shutdowned |
| 00:51.37 | _cat | can anyone recommend me a ftp client ? |
| 00:51.42 | jim | ftp |
| 00:51.46 | mozo | ralf the gpm no working too |
| 00:51.51 | jim | there ya go :) |
| 00:52.01 | nvz | mozo: what language do you speak? |
| 00:52.03 | mozo | ralf I try gpm -t ps2 -m /dev/psaux |
| 00:52.03 | FieldySnuts | _cat: ncftp |
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| 00:52.14 | mozo | but does not work |
| 00:52.23 | mozo | nvz Portuguese |
| 00:52.28 | jim | yeah, FieldySnuts said a better one |
| 00:52.33 | _cat | FieldySnuts: with X support ? |
| 00:52.39 | mozo | i speak portuguese heh, my english is bad (sorry) |
| 00:52.48 | FieldySnuts | no. gftp perhaps, then |
| 00:52.52 | jim | sure you can run ftp or ncftp in x |
| 00:53.02 | jim | as long as it's in an xterm :) |
| 00:53.05 | FieldySnuts | technically yes, i'm sure he means gui |
| 00:53.20 | mozo | xterm, good :) |
| 00:53.47 | jim | mozo: so does your band play in brazil? |
| 00:53.53 | _cat | xterm ugly |
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| 00:54.06 | _cat | i mean GUI |
| 00:54.11 | mozo | jim yes |
| 00:54.13 | jim | xterm powerful |
| 00:54.18 | FieldySnuts | then try gftp |
| 00:54.19 | mozo | jim in underground scene |
| 00:54.24 | mozo | :) |
| 00:54.50 | _cat | xterm powerful? how abouy konsole ? |
| 00:55.06 | jim | how much samba/african/yoruba/etc influence does your music have |
| 00:55.17 | FieldySnuts | i'd rather go the resources light way (xterm) |
| 00:55.34 | ugly | samba in prog metal |
| 00:55.35 | ugly | haha |
| 00:55.37 | FieldySnuts | though I will admit, i wish it had a basic form of tabs. no biggie, i use screen |
| 00:55.38 | ugly | don't think so |
| 00:55.38 | mozo | ahaeuhe |
| 00:55.39 | mozo | no no |
| 00:55.49 | pumpitup | you guys use more gnome or kde? |
| 00:55.55 | FieldySnuts | neither |
| 00:56.09 | jim | pumpitup: no, I use less gnome or kde! |
| 00:56.15 | ugly | jim: do you want to know what prog sounds like? |
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| 00:56.23 | pumpitup | heh then what do you guys use? |
| 00:56.24 | mozo | jim, continuing.. what i have to made? |
| 00:56.34 | karsten | FieldySnuts: there's lighter than xterm. Particularly if you don't need tectronics support. |
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| 00:56.45 | karsten | pumpitup: rxvt, m'self. |
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| 00:56.53 | Master-Yoda | im an idiot, how do i change my pass in ssh |
| 00:56.54 | Master-Yoda | sorry :P |
| 00:56.55 | FieldySnuts | lost me there |
| 00:56.58 | FieldySnuts | man passwd |
| 00:57.00 | Master-Yoda | i forget the most basic things |
| 00:57.12 | FieldySnuts | password you must set, my son |
| 00:57.17 | Master-Yoda | thanks |
| 00:57.18 | Master-Yoda | :P |
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| 00:57.21 | reda | I am looking for some help to setup alsa in debian sarge |
| 00:57.24 | jim | ugly: like yes, rush, genesis (with peter gabriel), gentle giant, that kinda stuff? |
| 00:57.28 | mozo | jim: my X is on, the mouse is pointed to /dev/psaux, but does not work. |
| 00:57.29 | ugly | jim: no |
| 00:57.37 | chealer | trave11er: is it normal that I can't find a debian/configs directory in kernel-image-2.6.11-i386's source? |
| 00:57.43 | mozo | jim, my X is on, the mouse is pointed to /dev/psaux, but does not work. |
| 00:57.50 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate jim |
| 00:57.50 | apt | jim: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh grafixx windows !!!! |
| 00:58.01 | trave11er | chealer: no :-) |
| 00:58.03 | mdh | I'm very depressed. nothing funny happens on the internet anymore. |
| 00:58.12 | trave11er | chealer: it should be in configs directory |
| 00:58.16 | FieldySnuts | mdh: it's not that, you're just so used to it now |
| 00:58.19 | mdh | I'm reading teh top 100 quotes on bash.org and they're the same as they were 2 years ago |
| 00:58.21 | karsten | FieldySnuts: Not if it's his ssh passphrase, btw. |
| 00:58.30 | trave11er | chealer: did i say debian/configs before? that was a mistake |
| 00:58.30 | ugly | mdh: check out this pic of an ugly dog: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1556398 |
| 00:58.31 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 00:58.49 | karsten | mdh: All the best dumb things on IRC have already been said. |
| 00:59.08 | chealer | trave11er: yes. so, I see a debian/ directory and a config/ one, is that normal? |
| 00:59.20 | nyterukh | k off to watch amovie bbbl |
| 00:59.21 | jim | 7:8 |
| 00:59.31 | chealer | trave11er: there are the configs for all i386 kernels in config/ |
| 00:59.38 | trave11er | chealer: yeah, the stuff in config/ are the kernel configs for different flavours |
| 00:59.43 | reda | is there some documentation about configuring alsa in debian? |
| 00:59.53 | Gnea | karsten: that's the dumbest thing i've heard anyone say |
| 00:59.55 | jim | very guitaristic |
| 00:59.56 | Gnea | karsten: on irc |
| 00:59.58 | Gnea | ;) |
| 01:00.02 | pumpitup | alsa-project.org |
| 01:00.21 | karsten | Gnea: bash it ;-) |
| 01:00.21 | chealer | trave11er: ok, is it all that could have helped in the source? because I can already see the config with the image's binary package |
| 01:00.22 | trave11er | chealer: right |
| 01:00.31 | jim | ahh, it just progressed... from 78 to 44 :) |
| 01:00.34 | Gnea | karsten: lol |
| 01:00.44 | jim | and now to half time |
| 01:01.01 | Gnea | stupid ati |
| 01:01.16 | trave11er | chealer: hmm, ok... so what have you been looking for after all? i thought you wanted to look at all configs at once |
| 01:01.21 | jasoncohen | can anyone else connect to ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net |
| 01:01.25 | jim | it's fairly creative but not as progressive as it could be |
| 01:01.42 | mdh | ugly: that's not a dog, that's my sister! |
| 01:01.55 | mdh | how did you get those naked photos of my sister? |
| 01:01.57 | jim | very song-oriented, vocal/song/form... |
| 01:02.04 | chealer | trave11er: sorry, I guess I've been unclear. I'll try to explain it better, please tell me if I don't make sense, since I'm pretty much newbie in kernel stuff. |
| 01:02.34 | ugly | mdh: hot |
| 01:02.35 | Gnea | mdh: dude, WHERE?! |
| 01:02.48 | jim | so who is this? |
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| 01:02.55 | chealer | trave11er: I noticed that debian's stock 2.6 i386 non-smp kernels have CONFIG_X86_LOCAL_APIC=y |
| 01:03.48 | chealer | trave11er: I wanted to know if that was a choice of debian, so I downloaded a kernel from upstream. with this kernel, if I disable SMP, X86_LOCAL_APIC is disabled |
| 01:03.52 | jim | it's in every guitar player's favorite key... |
| 01:03.55 | jim | EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe |
| 01:04.23 | jim | ooh! F# minor! |
| 01:04.32 | mozo | config |
| 01:04.37 | ugly | Threshold is also a pretty fun prog metal band (from the UK) |
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| 01:04.57 | trave11er | chealer: i would not trust defconfigs too much |
| 01:04.59 | chealer | trave11er: so, I wanted to know 1. if this was really from a conscious decision 2. understand why upstream and debian seem different on this. |
| 01:04.59 | ugly | especially amusing since they're environmentalists - singing about saving the forest :P |
| 01:05.05 | ugly | food time |
| 01:05.24 | jim | ugly: got something for you to listen to too... |
| 01:05.43 | magyar | when i sudo i get this message "load average: 0.20, 0.11, 0.03". What does this mean and how do i read it? |
| 01:05.44 | chealer | trave11er: you mean upstream's defaults, right? |
| 01:05.48 | trave11er | chealer: you should also understand that nobody reviews all the options every time new kernels come out, they are just copied over in most cases :-) |
| 01:05.53 | trave11er | chealer: yeah |
| 01:06.11 | jim | but I got it from the composer, so I have to send you to his site |
| 01:06.18 | trave11er | chealer: so maybe some time in the past someone made a conscious decision to enable it... |
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| 01:06.34 | chealer | trave11er: ok... |
| 01:06.40 | trave11er | chealer: his/her rationale will be hard to figure out by now :-) |
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| 01:06.59 | trave11er | chealer: and it evidently works out for most people |
| 01:07.00 | chealer | well, at least I know I'm doomed to recompile my kernel :) |
| 01:07.17 | chealer | that will just give me more geek points anyway :-P |
| 01:07.24 | trave11er | chealer: you can definitely disable apic stuff without recompiling |
| 01:07.37 | trave11er | (or so i believe at least) |
| 01:07.39 | chealer | trave11er: ah, well, I'll try it right away then |
| 01:07.53 | chealer | since you're the third to say that |
| 01:07.55 | FieldySnuts | you can pass a kernel paramater to disable it, though I forget what it is |
| 01:08.02 | chealer | I heard about noapic |
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| 01:08.11 | trave11er | chealer: lile noapic nolapic options to the kernel |
| 01:08.18 | chealer | I thought I had tried it, but it was a few weeks ago |
| 01:08.38 | chealer | oh, nolapic...maybe that's it |
| 01:08.56 | chealer | if I tried something it must have been noapic |
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| 01:09.35 | chealer | the good this is there was a storm a few days ago that made me lose my uptime, so I don't lose much by rebooting now :) |
| 01:10.28 | jim | mozo: btw, hit ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 01:10.52 | _cat | gftp sucks |
| 01:11.11 | FieldySnuts | user error, shrug |
| 01:11.19 | FieldySnuts | ~start an ftp client war |
| 01:11.33 | jim | !start a barbie war |
| 01:11.33 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
| 01:11.38 | FieldySnuts | heh! |
| 01:11.53 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 01:11.53 | apt | USA should nuke North Korea! |
| 01:12.17 | jim | that would be true if nukes didn't affect the whole world... |
| 01:12.37 | FieldySnuts | ask it again then heh |
| 01:12.55 | jim | !start a world barbie war |
| 01:13.02 | jim | hmm, it cant' even do that |
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| 01:14.07 | _cat | it transfers one at one time |
| 01:14.48 | mozo | uh? |
| 01:14.49 | FieldySnuts | yes, that's how ftp works. |
| 01:14.57 | FieldySnuts | that's not the clients fault, that's the protocol |
| 01:15.21 | FieldySnuts | apps that set up multiple sessions and do more than one file at a time are viewed as extremely irritating by admins, and are often manually kicked off or automatically at times |
| 01:15.25 | trave11er | _cat: you can use mget/mput |
| 01:15.40 | FieldySnuts | yeah. that's still one file at a time, one after the other, maybe that's what you want |
| 01:15.42 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: but they are so nice :) |
| 01:16.54 | dan_linux | help me |
| 01:17.02 | abrotman | !help me |
| 01:17.10 | dan_linux | need a spanish chanel |
| 01:17.12 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:17.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:17.33 | abrotman | dan_linux: ^^ |
| 01:17.33 | mwilson | Hrm... anyone have an opinion on the new WotW? Is it worth seeing, even with TC in it? |
| 01:17.42 | abrotman | mwilson: ask initech |
| 01:17.44 | dan_linux | no se como usar esto |
| 01:17.59 | dan_linux | e cargado el linux en un CD ( knoppix) |
| 01:18.04 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 01:18.04 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 01:18.17 | abrotman | like that will work.. |
| 01:18.25 | abrotman | dan_linux: /j #knoppix |
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| 01:18.28 | mwilson | abrotman: I usually give TC movies a miss on general principle, but... |
| 01:18.34 | FieldySnuts | WotW? |
| 01:18.39 | abrotman | War of the Worlds |
| 01:18.42 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 01:18.48 | magyar | how can i tcpdump all packets escept from 192.168.0.5 |
| 01:18.49 | magyar | ? |
| 01:18.50 | FieldySnuts | i like tommy but for obvious reasons heh |
| 01:18.53 | abrotman | as opposed to .. world of warcraft :) |
| 01:18.56 | FieldySnuts | i know a woman who saw it, and she loved it |
| 01:19.06 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: what are the obvious reasons ? |
| 01:19.08 | FieldySnuts | said it scared the shit out of her multiple times, and she isn't the type to be scared easily |
| 01:19.24 | pureone | tcpdump host not 192.168.0.5 i think, read the manpage for more help |
| 01:19.24 | FieldySnuts | she only whined about the ending which was very weak, but said overall it was very good |
| 01:19.28 | _cat | PASV |
| 01:19.29 | _cat | 227 Entering Passive Mode (202,195,161,4,150,47). |
| 01:19.29 | _cat | stoped there |
| 01:19.39 | FieldySnuts | tcpdump src or dst host \!192.168.0.5 |
| 01:19.43 | abrotman | stop using ftp |
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| 01:19.59 | FieldySnuts | uh yes that's called logging in |
| 01:20.43 | mdh | _cat: if you're coming through a masquerading firewall you'll need an iptables module loaded so ftp will work |
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| 01:21.12 | FieldySnuts | i like how he gave away his ip with that hehe |
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| 01:21.25 | _cat | mdh: how to ？ |
| 01:21.34 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: like you're really that surprised :) |
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| 01:22.06 | FieldySnuts | ~kill abrotman |
| 01:22.06 | apt | ACTION shoots a anti-quark gun at abrotman |
| 01:22.15 | abrotman | anti-quark eh ... |
| 01:22.16 | FieldySnuts | along with too many spaces |
| 01:22.36 | FieldySnuts | apt: literal CMD: kill (.*?) |
| 01:22.36 | apt | "cmd: kill (.*?)" is "($1): <action> shoots a (hyper-charged|charged|super-inverse|inverse|excited|magneto-ionized|ionized| |) (flux|anti-|pseudo| |)(neutron|meson|neutrino|quark|proton|electron|tachyon|graviton|photon|positrino) gun at $1" |
| 01:22.48 | abrotman | cute |
| 01:22.50 | FieldySnuts | uh huh. too lazy to fix it. |
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| 01:23.27 | FieldySnuts | interesting options though, and one of the few times i've seen anyone say meson |
| 01:23.37 | magyar | FieldySnuts: i do a "tcpdump -ni ppp0" and i get the ssh traffic between my system and the ssh server. |
| 01:23.39 | _cat | firefox can do ftp better than gftp! |
| 01:24.00 | abrotman | yay jabber.org |
| 01:24.12 | FieldySnuts | magyar: tcpdump -n -i ppp0 src or dst port \!your-ssh-port |
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| 01:24.27 | FieldySnuts | _cat: ifyou don't like gftp, quit using it. |
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| 01:24.58 | davem | _cat: use lftp |
| 01:25.18 | FieldySnuts | it'd be best to contact the author and let them know what could be better, but have a basic understanding of the ftp protocol, because if you blame ftp protocol limitations on gftp, your mail will surely get nulled |
| 01:25.27 | _cat | no back or forward |
| 01:25.41 | FieldySnuts | it's an ftp client, not a damn web browser. god. |
| 01:25.49 | nvz | heh |
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| 01:26.17 | _cat | but cute ftp can do it in windows |
| 01:26.21 | magyar | FieldySnuts: thanks |
| 01:26.36 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:26.41 | mdh | Mon Jul 4 11:26:40 EST 2005 |
| 01:26.45 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate nvz |
| 01:26.45 | apt | nvz: HELP ME!!! who uses sound lol |
| 01:26.46 | abrotman | _cat: you really don't understand how FTP works do you ? |
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| 01:26.58 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: no. he doesn't, therefore blames ftp limitations on the client. |
| 01:27.18 | _cat | abrotman: i am a user ok ? |
| 01:27.21 | FieldySnuts | don't worry about it just use an ignore :) |
| 01:27.39 | WALoeIII | If I'm running debian 3.1 I don't need a non-us mirror do I? |
| 01:27.39 | _cat | we need up back and forward |
| 01:27.45 | abrotman | _cat: you don't have to be an idiot user .. you can learn about FTP and its limitations |
| 01:27.52 | abrotman | FTP doesn't have back/forward |
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| 01:28.09 | FieldySnuts | a client might, but it's a dumb idea |
| 01:28.27 | abrotman | and it would be very easy to implement .. but yeah .. stupid stupid idea |
| 01:28.40 | FieldySnuts | cacheing results == bad news with ftp |
| 01:29.00 | abrotman | you could save the relative path .. and not cache the ls output |
| 01:29.00 | _cat | any other GUI ftps ? |
| 01:29.09 | FieldySnuts | anyway tired of wasting my time on the subject, user error, as it is 80% of the time |
| 01:29.13 | FieldySnuts | call it 85. |
| 01:29.20 | abrotman | wget is the best gui ftp client |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | or gwget :) |
| 01:29.29 | FieldySnuts | nc heh |
| 01:29.31 | WALoeIII | Do I need a debian-non-US if I'm using 3.1 (always been running testing)? |
| 01:29.42 | abrotman | !topicfsck WALoeIII |
| 01:29.42 | _cat | wget is the best gui ftp client ? |
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| 01:29.50 | FieldySnuts | that's a new one on me |
| 01:29.56 | FieldySnuts | i also dind't know about topicbadger till recently |
| 01:30.03 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i like it! |
| 01:30.19 | abrotman | !topicbadger FieldySnuts |
| 01:30.20 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that FieldySnuts didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 01:30.23 | FieldySnuts | wooo |
| 01:30.31 | reda | does the xmms version in debian sarge read mp3s by default? |
| 01:30.34 | _cat | abrotman: if you donnt know exactly address how do you use wget ? |
| 01:30.36 | abrotman | reda: yes |
| 01:30.41 | FieldySnuts | that could not have been easy to type |
| 01:31.04 | abrotman | _cat: i always know where i'm going with ftp .. if i'm downloading from a totally remote site .. i use http like a sane person |
| 01:31.35 | WALoeIII | abrotman: you could have just reminded me |
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| 01:31.39 | WALoeIII | I'm sorry I don't live on IRC |
| 01:31.54 | abrotman | WALoeIII: i don't get to use that factoid often .. no offense meant .. it was just fun :) |
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| 01:32.01 | WALoeIII | mmkay |
| 01:32.08 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate abrotman |
| 01:32.08 | apt | abrotman: wenas who uses cable thx |
| 01:32.11 | WALoeIII | so it dies with potato or whatever 3.0 release is? |
| 01:32.16 | FieldySnuts | wenas heh i love that |
| 01:32.18 | _cat | abrotman: sometime we just want to browse the ftp site to see what it has,so wget can't do that |
| 01:32.26 | abrotman | WALoeIII: woody has non-us .. sarge does not |
| 01:32.35 | WALoeIII | woody, ok |
| 01:32.35 | WALoeIII | thanks |
| 01:32.47 | abrotman | _cat: i have no idea what you're trying to download .. so i can't comment |
| 01:32.52 | WALoeIII | is it still safe to run testing release |
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| 01:33.00 | abrotman | WALoeIII: sarge is stable now |
| 01:33.01 | WALoeIII | for a dev server |
| 01:33.33 | Pryon | testing was never "safe", depending on what you mean, which could be anything. No security updates, in any case. |
| 01:33.35 | abrotman | WALoeIII: what would you want out of testing ? |
| 01:33.46 | WALoeIII | just later packages |
| 01:33.47 | _cat | abrotman: i am not going to download something ,just browse and see what goods is there! |
| 01:33.56 | WALoeIII | for a while it was so outdated to run stable |
| 01:34.08 | WALoeIII | testing was latest releases of PHP for example |
| 01:34.14 | abrotman | _cat: yes .. but i don't know what site etc .. |
| 01:34.28 | _cat | 202.195.161 |
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| 01:34.34 | _cat | 202.195.161.2 |
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| 01:34.54 | abrotman | WALoeIII: sarge was just released .. a month ago .. so unless you can say "Oh .. i need pythonX.X" or something .. there's no decent reason to currently run testing |
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| 01:35.06 | WALoeIII | ok, thanks - I'll run stable then |
| 01:35.07 | WALoeIII | thanks |
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| 01:35.22 | _cat | abrotman: try ftp it ,can you get access ? |
| 01:35.22 | abrotman | WALoeIII: what kind of dev is it ? |
| 01:35.33 | WALoeIII | in my sources this is safe to run: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 01:35.39 | WALoeIII | sources.list that is |
| 01:35.49 | abrotman | apparently not |
| 01:36.06 | WALoeIII | ? |
| 01:36.08 | abrotman | WALoeIII: apt-setup can make them for you |
| 01:36.13 | WALoeIII | ok |
| 01:36.16 | abrotman | WALoeIII: that 'apparently not' wasn't for you |
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| 01:37.45 | FieldySnuts | i hate that, something keeps causing my speaker to beep and I don't know what it is |
| 01:38.13 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: beep! |
| 01:38.31 | WALoeIII | apt-setup set everything up as testing |
| 01:38.46 | abrotman | WALoeIII: then change it all to sarge |
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| 01:39.17 | WALoeIII | just change all the 'testing' to 'stable' no? |
| 01:39.37 | abrotman | should work |
| 01:39.47 | abrotman | assuming you haven't already started getting testing .. in which case .. it's too late |
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| 01:40.06 | WALoeIII | yeah I already did an apt-get dist-upgrade with it at testing |
| 01:40.16 | abrotman | then it's too late |
| 01:40.20 | abrotman | change it to etch |
| 01:40.24 | abrotman | instead of sarge |
| 01:40.51 | abofaisal | I'm running Debian 3.1 on an iMac DV. The iMac DV has four sound outputs: 2 headphones, 1 line out, and the built-in speakers. Debian is setting the line output as the master, instead of the built-in speakers. How can I change this? |
| 01:41.05 | abrotman | abofaisal: #debianppc |
| 01:41.24 | abofaisal | No help there really |
| 01:41.51 | abrotman | it's the correct place to ask .. they'll be much muhc more help |
| 01:42.01 | abrotman | i don't even know what iMac DV is |
| 01:42.03 | abofaisal | ideally :) |
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| 01:42.34 | abofaisal | Skip the imac side of it.. if you just think of multiple outputs it would be the same regardless of arcitecture |
| 01:42.46 | abofaisal | kinda like.. a sound blaster having itself headphone showing up as master instead of line out |
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| 01:43.13 | abrotman | abofaisal: i've seen other systems with that bug .. but i'll be damned if i can remember how to fix it .. it was a kernel module parameter |
| 01:43.40 | Nylira | Anyone have any experience with virtual users under vsftpd that can lend me a hand ? |
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| 01:44.55 | abrotman | Nylira: you'd have to have a better question |
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| 01:45.53 | deepfrze | I had a net install cdrw that worked great on both my systems. Thinking that it was time to upgrade it (duhhh) I copied the 3.0 release down. Now I can't boot from the cd, on either system. I tried writing several times to no avail. Anyone like to help? Oh, I tried a cdrom just in case. It doesn't work either. |
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| 01:46.58 | FieldySnuts | Ugly_Duck: move the data on the entire drive somewhere else, blow the partitions out, recreate them to the desired size, format, put the data back. partition resizing is dangerous, and never to be trusted. however, if you insist, have full backups. if you can't get full backups _don't do it_, this is a friendly warning |
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| 01:48.03 | Nylira | Well I now setup my PAM database and set it so that virtual users all get logged in on the same virtual user account. However I am having problems with defining what the virtual users are actually allowed to do on the ftp. |
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| 01:48.25 | Nylira | Is there any way to link read/write permissions to a virtual ftp user? |
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| 01:49.50 | mdh | something in Debian sid suggests ubuntu-artwork |
| 01:49.56 | abrotman | file a bug |
| 01:50.23 | abrotman | mdh: anyhting interesting ? |
| 01:50.48 | mdh | abrotman: probably not. let me look after I install this batch ;) |
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| 01:52.23 | mdh | polypaudio |
| 01:52.49 | mdh | its apparently a replacement for esound. thought I'd give it a whirl. |
| 01:53.08 | mtnman | leave |
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| 01:53.23 | abrotman | mdh: nope |
| 01:53.26 | abrotman | !depends polypaudio |
| 01:53.31 | dpkg | polypaudio: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libltdl3 (>= 1.5.2-2), libsamplerate0, libsndfile1 (>= 1.0.2-1), libwrap0 |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | mdh: rdepends ? |
| 01:53.45 | mdh | !suggests polypaudio |
| 01:53.48 | abrotman | ah |
| 01:53.50 | dpkg | polypaudio: ubuntu-artwork |
| 01:54.09 | abrotman | mdh: file a bug! |
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| 01:54.14 | RedEyess | Hi |
| 01:54.23 | RedEyess | Anyone here familiar with using X.org with Debian? |
| 01:54.32 | abrotman | xorg isn't in debian |
| 01:54.36 | Gnea | heh |
| 01:54.45 | Gnea | !tell RedEyess about xorg |
| 01:54.50 | mdh | its not really a bug. if the ubuntu-artwork stuff is dfsg-free then it could potentially be packaged |
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| 01:55.12 | abrotman | mdh: but it's a bug if it suggusts a package that doesn't exist |
| 01:55.14 | RedEyess | Thanks for the info. |
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| 01:56.07 | deepfrze | I saw a conversation on here a few days ago where someone was having trouble booting from the install cd and there was a suggestion that it was because he was using a cdrw, that's why I tried a cdrom. Are there any other suggestions? |
| 01:56.08 | mdh | sid does that all the time, in fact sometimes it *depends* on a package that doesn't exist (usually because some architecture nobody uses held the package back) |
| 01:56.29 | ke6isf | In Firefox under Sarge, in the menus, the item selected appears as white text with a white field. I can find nothing in FF's preferences to alter this; how do I change this? |
| 01:56.42 | abrotman | that's usually with version issues ... not whole packages that completely don't exist |
| 01:56.59 | mdh | ke6isf: firefox follows your gtk theme. |
| 01:57.03 | deepfrze | Is it still necessary to install scsi emulation, even with kernel 2.6.11 installed? |
| 01:57.15 | abrotman | deepfrze: no |
| 01:57.15 | r3v | deepfrze: depends on what you want to do |
| 01:57.19 | ke6isf | So change gtk, hmm... |
| 01:57.26 | abrotman | deepfrze: for CD burning .. it's preferred not to |
| 01:57.45 | FieldySnuts | not needed at all in 2.6 |
| 01:57.47 | deepfrze | abrotman: okay, great I haven't done that. |
| 01:57.50 | koollman | does usb use scsi base? |
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| 01:58.04 | abrotman | koollman: what usb device ? |
| 01:58.04 | FieldySnuts | no, but usb storage devices end up needing scsi support |
| 01:58.13 | vladuz976 | anybody know a good ide for C++? |
| 01:58.14 | koollman | abrotman: mass storage |
| 01:58.15 | mdh | ke6isf: you can also edit your user_prefs and change anything you like, overriding the gtk theme |
| 01:58.18 | abrotman | koollman: yes |
| 01:58.28 | abrotman | vladuz976: vim,anjuta,kate |
| 01:58.30 | mdh | vladuz976: vim |
| 01:58.43 | abrotman | or gvim |
| 01:58.47 | vladuz976 | mdh, ide? vim? |
| 01:58.51 | abrotman | vladuz976: what is your GUI desktop ? |
| 01:58.56 | vladuz976 | gnome |
| 01:59.00 | abrotman | try anjuta |
| 01:59.08 | abrotman | !anjuta |
| 01:59.08 | dpkg | [anjuta] a great IDE to GTK+/GNOME for C/C++, similar to KDevelop. It has auto-completion, class/function browser, etc..http://anjuta.sourceforge.net |
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| 01:59.17 | abrotman | vladuz976: apt-get install anjuta |
| 01:59.21 | mdh | anjuta is pretty cool if you're into that IDE thing |
| 01:59.25 | vladuz976 | i'll try it |
| 01:59.38 | vladuz976 | what about that vim thing |
| 01:59.41 | FieldySnuts | i tried a few ides, found it far too complex. grew up doing code in vi |
| 02:00.21 | mdh | vladuz976: if you check http://vim.sf.net/ there's a wide range of scripts to add IDE features |
| 02:00.31 | ke6isf | Ah, much nicer. |
| 02:00.32 | r3v | vladuz976: if you are good with reg ex's, vim is great |
| 02:00.46 | mdh | vladuz976: I also "grew up" as such programming with vi, I really don't like using aything else ;) |
| 02:01.01 | vladuz976 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.18 | deepfrze | I tried k3b and x-cdroast, and command isoinfo to check the image |
| 02:01.20 | vladuz976 | isn't it faster with ide? |
| 02:01.34 | mdh | vladuz976: not for me. |
| 02:01.38 | FieldySnuts | i find it overwhealming and it slows me down, halts me in fact |
| 02:01.42 | r3v | vladuz976: i'm faster with vim |
| 02:01.45 | abrotman | vladuz976: for some people yes .. others no |
| 02:01.59 | mdh | vladuz976: also, try editing code across a dialup link using an ide ;P |
| 02:02.00 | vladuz976 | what's the difference vi and vim? |
| 02:02.12 | rocksolid | m |
| 02:02.19 | abrotman | vladuz976: vim Vi Muchimproved |
| 02:02.29 | r3v | vladuz976: vim = VI iMproved |
| 02:02.34 | abrotman | vi with extensions |
| 02:02.36 | FieldySnuts | vi is very basic, sometimes annoyingly so. vim is improvements |
| 02:02.42 | vladuz976 | improved as in what? |
| 02:02.46 | mdh | vladuz976: 'vi' as such technically doesn't exist, but there'a a bunch of editors that provide its functionality, many like vim also provide a lot more |
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| 02:03.16 | claudio_ | vladuz976: you can use nvi if you want a more unix-style vi |
| 02:03.52 | mdh | vladuz976: if you're used to M$ Windoze style editors then you'll probably hate vi at first |
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| 02:04.10 | vladuz976 | mdh, at first, right? |
| 02:04.15 | mdh | I'm really glad I took the time to learn it though |
| 02:04.21 | vladuz976 | mdh, hopefully that doesn't last too long |
| 02:04.24 | claudio_ | vladuz976: once you get used to it, it's very productive |
| 02:04.33 | mdh | vladuz976: yeah. once you "get it" you wonder how you ever got along without it. |
| 02:04.37 | abrotman | vladuz976: some people never get used to vi |
| 02:04.51 | vladuz976 | abrotman, that is discouraging |
| 02:05.09 | FieldySnuts | i still do shit like hit escape twice when working on winshit boxes |
| 02:05.18 | FieldySnuts | or you may find a :wq somewhere that I forgot to get rid of |
| 02:05.18 | mdh | vladuz976: there's other editors. you don't have to like vi just because we do. |
| 02:05.25 | abrotman | vladuz976: some people find out they LOVE it |
| 02:05.33 | vladuz976 | mdh, whta about emacs? |
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| 02:05.39 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 02:05.39 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 02:05.41 | FieldySnuts | ~start an editor war |
| 02:05.41 | apt | nvi blows |
| 02:05.50 | FieldySnuts | heads up! |
| 02:05.56 | mdh | vladuz976: I already have one operating system on my computer, thanks ;) |
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| 02:06.13 | abrotman | that said .. lots of people do love emacs .. |
| 02:06.16 | FieldySnuts | heh. vi(m) vs emacs is one of the great holy wars in the *nix world |
| 02:06.18 | abrotman | but i find they have mental deficiencies |
| 02:06.20 | vladuz976 | mdh, what do you mean? |
| 02:06.27 | claudio_ | my case was a bit more pathologic, as I didn't get used to vim but I feel quite comfortable with nvi |
| 02:06.39 | FieldySnuts | c'mon apt, flame away |
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| 02:06.47 | FieldySnuts | apt: start an editor war |
| 02:06.47 | apt | edlin sucks |
| 02:06.47 | claudio_ | heh |
| 02:06.47 | caphuso | vladuz976: it's stupid joke repeatedly told by stupid people |
| 02:06.55 | mdh | vladuz976: emacs is a really good editor. and web browser. and mail client. and news reader. and file manager. and ... |
| 02:06.58 | FieldySnuts | wow edlin. god old |
| 02:07.06 | vladuz976 | mdh, lol |
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| 02:07.24 | vladuz976 | ok i'll try vim for a while and let you guys know how i like it |
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| 02:07.36 | mdh | vladuz976: do the vim tutorial. it'll help a lot. |
| 02:07.40 | FieldySnuts | check out vim tutor |
| 02:07.51 | vladuz976 | i'll google for it |
| 02:07.58 | r3v | just type vimtutor |
| 02:08.09 | mdh | I never had something like that when I learned vi. had to ask how the hell to get out of it ;) |
| 02:08.14 | mdh | :vimtutor |
| 02:08.23 | abrotman | mdh: did you get ZZ or :wq ? |
| 02:08.35 | mdh | abrotman: :wq |
| 02:08.42 | mdh | wel... :q actually |
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| 02:08.59 | claudio_ | mdh: :q! perhaps? |
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| 02:09.02 | mdh | since :wq / ZZ wasn't what I asked for ;) |
| 02:09.08 | vladuz976 | cool |
| 02:09.11 | abrotman | mdh: you're right |
| 02:09.33 | mdh | then I actually learned how to use vi (mainly because so much stuff brought it up by default so I figured it must be good ;) |
| 02:09.33 | vladuz976 | ok, gotta go, thanks for your help guys |
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| 02:09.54 | mdh | and I never wanted to :q ;) |
| 02:09.57 | astronut | try dav (package is dav-text) |
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| 02:10.05 | astronut | it's a very simple editor, very easy to use |
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| 02:10.43 | abrotman | i have a feeling he'd be most comfortable with anjuta |
| 02:10.46 | mdh | astronut: we're discussing something useful as an IDE ;) |
| 02:10.58 | astronut | mdh: meh...vi |
| 02:11.25 | mdh | abrotman: probably. too many people are walking out of univerisities knowing nothing other than M$ Visual Studio :( |
| 02:11.41 | r3v | mdh: depends on the university |
| 02:12.05 | r3v | mdh: we only did one semester of M$ anything |
| 02:12.05 | abrotman | mdh: we used vi at mine :) |
| 02:12.23 | abrotman | mdh: vi on AIX .. ick ick ick |
| 02:12.34 | astronut | abrotman: why is that? |
| 02:12.38 | astronut | why not just port the GNU vi? |
| 02:12.41 | mdh | AIX is... amusing :) |
| 02:12.45 | astronut | err, vim |
| 02:12.49 | caphuso | astronut: because there isn't a GNU vi |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | astronut: AIX is probably my least favorite Unix i've used .. other than SCO Unix |
| 02:13.03 | astronut | ok, the one that debian distributes |
| 02:13.06 | mdh | I'm pretty sure that's what the 'A' in 'AIX' stands for... if not an exclamation ;) |
| 02:13.08 | koollman | we are mostly using emacs on netbsd ... |
| 02:13.11 | astronut | abrotman: never used it...but i hate SCO! |
| 02:13.22 | astronut | claudio_: i have a friend who did that in solaris |
| 02:13.23 | mdh | SCO Unix isn't Unix |
| 02:13.28 | mdh | Unix is useful |
| 02:13.30 | astronut | told me the horror storry, that's why i use pkill |
| 02:13.33 | abrotman | mdh: heh |
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| 02:13.48 | abrotman | Irix is a great desktop Unix .. |
| 02:14.07 | claudio_ | HP-UX used to have good manpages |
| 02:14.15 | cbecht | Irix made me sad inside. |
| 02:14.25 | abrotman | and i actually like solaris all around |
| 02:14.43 | cbecht | Although there is much more free software for Irix now than there used to be. |
| 02:14.45 | mdh | mine used Solaris pretty much exclusively |
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| 02:15.00 | astronut | all i've used is linux with a few bsd shells |
| 02:15.12 | astronut | how hard is a linux -> unix transition? |
| 02:15.23 | claudio_ | hmm |
| 02:15.25 | abrotman | astronut: depends on the Unix |
| 02:15.41 | mdh | astronut: .. and what you're doing |
| 02:15.50 | r3v | astronut: devices will through you off |
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| 02:16.00 | transgress | anyone know of a program to webcam chat with a mac user? |
| 02:16.00 | cbecht | Most of the things I didn't like about Irix or Solaris are things I don't like about RedHat or Slackware. I just think in Debian, I guess. |
| 02:16.01 | abrotman | throw |
| 02:16.07 | mdh | /proc is waaaay more useful on Linux (imo) |
| 02:16.10 | astronut | had like 30 diff unix boxes you could ssh/telnet into and play with |
| 02:16.14 | r3v | transgress: gaimvv? |
| 02:16.19 | r3v | transgress: gnomemeeting? |
| 02:16.20 | astronut | cbecht: example? |
| 02:16.21 | abrotman | mdh: you don't like the solaris device names ? |
| 02:16.23 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:16.30 | transgress | r3v: gnomemeeting has a way to chat with osx? |
| 02:16.33 | abrotman | pxe@0,566fr3444 ? |
| 02:16.37 | abrotman | or whatever they are |
| 02:16.47 | abrotman | h232 |
| 02:16.52 | abrotman | whatever it is |
| 02:16.56 | mdh | abrotman: not when silo & the PROM force me to type them in, with no tab-completion like GRUB has :( |
| 02:16.59 | astronut | standarized protocol |
| 02:16.59 | cbecht | astronut: file system layout, location of scripts and config files, default config settings, etc. |
| 02:17.00 | r3v | transgress: gnomemeeting has video chat... I imagine osx has a netmeeting compatible program they could use |
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| 02:17.19 | abrotman | mdh: that's the nvram stuff .. not solaris iirc |
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| 02:17.23 | claudio_ | or something like that |
| 02:17.31 | cbecht | astronut: Debian just tends to do all the little things the way *I* would do them if I were making an OS. Other distros, and *n*x variants don't. |
| 02:17.43 | mdh | claudio_: at least those make sense |
| 02:17.51 | claudio_ | yep |
| 02:17.56 | mwilson | Gods, there must be SOMEONE somewhere that sells rack ears. |
| 02:17.58 | astronut | cbecht: well...i'm in love w/ debian, so i'll agree...except runlevels |
| 02:18.15 | astronut | i kinda like the LSB way better...but i don't care too much |
| 02:18.16 | abrotman | claudio_: c0t0d0p1 etc iirc |
| 02:18.33 | claudio_ | abrotman: ah yes |
| 02:18.37 | mdh | I really don't care for the Redhat Linux Standard Base |
| 02:18.48 | astronut | mdh: it's RH's? |
| 02:18.50 | abrotman | tier disk partition .. i assume 'c' is computer .. not sure .. been way too long |
| 02:19.02 | cbecht | mwilson: Hah. If you find them, tell me. |
| 02:19.07 | abrotman | mwilson: what's a rack ear ? |
| 02:19.09 | claudio_ | i was comparing the debian init scripts with RH's and Solaris' recently |
| 02:19.21 | mdh | astronut: most of the people on the LSB board are Redhat employees, former Redhat employees, or representatives of distros using rpm |
| 02:19.25 | astronut | claudio_: there had been a discussion on d-d in the "plans for etch section" |
| 02:19.29 | astronut | mdh: ah |
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| 02:19.39 | abrotman | wtf is a rack ear ? |
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| 02:19.51 | mwilson | abrotman: I have multiple rack-mount switches for which I do not have the ears necessary to mount them in the rack. |
| 02:19.58 | astronut | well, i just think that having seperate defualt run levels make sense....you can custimize them iether way if you want to |
| 02:20.00 | claudio_ | debian and solaris are quite similar, but runlevel S initialization in rh/mandriva and derivatives simply doesn't make sense |
| 02:20.04 | abrotman | mwilson: oh .. those ears .. |
| 02:20.10 | astronut | and it's a good debugging tool for a lay user who hasn't made them |
| 02:20.12 | abrotman | mwilson: not the original manuf ? |
| 02:20.15 | Stereo | I have a stupid question - how do you switch from one screen to the other in X11 when you have a multihead display setup? |
| 02:20.19 | mdh | astronut: apparently one DD wants to fix that for etch |
| 02:20.22 | jetx | the things that keep the units from falling down? |
| 02:20.26 | astronut | Stereo: move mouse |
| 02:20.33 | astronut | mdh: i saw several on the lists |
| 02:20.43 | astronut | Stereo: you should use xinerama ;-) |
| 02:20.47 | Stereo | astronut: doesn't work here. Maybe my X config is borken. |
| 02:20.49 | cbecht | mwilson: Buy a metal bending brake or find the phone number of a good metal shop. =) |
| 02:20.52 | astronut | Stereo: mouse may move opposite of what you think |
| 02:20.54 | mwilson | abrotman: From 3Com? Surely you jest. |
| 02:21.07 | claudio_ | Stereo: did you configure the relative position of the screens? |
| 02:21.11 | Stereo | I tried all 4 directions |
| 02:21.11 | astronut | Stereo: even if monitor is physically to left, it may be to right if you don't use xinerama |
| 02:21.20 | Stereo | claudio_: d'oh. I forgot to do that. |
| 02:22.05 | abrotman | mwilson: i don't see why not ... but i think my last piece of 3com hardware went in the trash(10Mb hub) |
| 02:22.05 | astronut | Stereo: xinerama ;-) |
| 02:22.05 | Stereo | maybe I should just use xinerama |
| 02:22.05 | mwilson | cbecht: Oh, I can boy a piece of angle aluminum (or steel) and make them myself, but it'd be really annoying. I'd be willing to pay for them if I knew where I could get them. |
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| 02:22.24 | Gargan | I'm trying to install debian using windows xp ics, can someone help me? |
| 02:22.27 | claudio_ | btw is hw glx working with xinerama? it didn't the last time i checked |
| 02:22.55 | FieldySnuts | Gargan: think about that a little. how would we know anything about any windows usage? we wouldn't |
| 02:23.08 | Stereo | astronut: you're right, I'll use xinerama |
| 02:23.09 | Gargan | it's not the windows part i need help with.. |
| 02:23.26 | cbecht | Gargan: Well, ask your question, then |
| 02:23.38 | Stereo | Option "xinerama" "on" ? |
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| 02:23.45 | abrotman | mwilson: are they called ears in the manuals ? |
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| 02:23.50 | mwilson | claudio_: Haven't checked in the last several years, huh? |
| 02:23.51 | Gargan | is it possible to install debian using the smallest netinst image over a shared internet connection? |
| 02:23.51 | Master-Yoda | hello |
| 02:24.10 | claudio_ | mwilson: since, uh, 2002 or so |
| 02:24.12 | Master-Yoda | my datacenter added a hd, so i can move backup over to my new one, how do i get from the old and move to the new? |
| 02:24.15 | abrotman | mwilson: rackears.com ? :) |
| 02:24.16 | mwilson | initech: Well, I have the important bit, the switch. |
| 02:24.27 | cbecht | Gargan: I should expect so. If you do a net nstall, it shouldn't matter where the net connection comes from. |
| 02:24.39 | abrotman | mwilson: i got lots of hits from google on 'rack bracket' |
| 02:24.50 | astronut | Stereo: you get it, or need xinerama options? |
| 02:24.58 | Master-Yoda | please help as i only have 24 hours to move the data |
| 02:25.02 | Gargan | that's what I thought.. just can't seem to get debian to find my internet connection.. is there a 'live' cd image I could use to try and find out what's going on? |
| 02:25.08 | quittete | can someone enter in flood? |
| 02:25.14 | abrotman | mwilson: err .. '3com rack bracket' |
| 02:25.15 | initech | mwilson: well play on your pitiful little puny network then. I will keep teh earz! |
| 02:25.19 | cbecht | Master-Yoda: man tar? |
| 02:25.24 | Master-Yoda | noo |
| 02:25.27 | Master-Yoda | how do i get to the other hd |
| 02:25.27 | mwilson | abrotman: Ok, you're just annoying. :) |
| 02:25.38 | mwilson | abrotman: That'll teach me to search on what they're actually called. :) |
| 02:25.41 | cbecht | Gargan: Knoppix, Ubuntu-live, LNX-BBC |
| 02:25.44 | Master-Yoda | only one has a working os, the other is hooked up suposible, how do i get files fromt he other one |
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| 02:25.57 | astronut | Stereo: i have " Option "Xinerama" "true"" in section ServerFlags and server layout has a RightOf in it...let me know if you need to see it |
| 02:25.59 | Stereo | astronut: I think I get it. I just need to enable xinerama and tell it what the relation between the 2 is? |
| 02:25.59 | abrotman | mwilson: i'm annoying ? |
| 02:26.03 | Master-Yoda | i mean like? mv hd2 /bla hd1 /bla ?? |
| 02:26.07 | abrotman | mwilson: did you find them ? |
| 02:26.08 | astronut | Stereo: yes |
| 02:26.13 | mdh | claudio_: GLX works fine. it's DRI that doesn't work |
| 02:26.15 | astronut | i have true not on...dunno |
| 02:26.20 | Stereo | great |
| 02:26.21 | claudio_ | Master-Yoda: you must mount it somewhere (usually /mnt) |
| 02:26.25 | Master-Yoda | ok |
| 02:26.29 | Master-Yoda | how doi see whats mounted |
| 02:26.30 | Master-Yoda | in ssh |
| 02:26.37 | Master-Yoda | oh |
| 02:26.37 | Master-Yoda | :P |
| 02:26.38 | FieldySnuts | mount |
| 02:26.39 | abrotman | mwilson: i've always called them 'rack brackets' |
| 02:26.40 | Stereo | the BSOD screensaver looks great on my tv :D |
| 02:26.44 | FieldySnuts | ~tell Master-Yoda -about enter |
| 02:26.47 | astronut | glx only works on first screen i beleive |
| 02:26.58 | astronut | i can't get gl, because nvidia driver locks up my system and i'm forced ot use nv |
| 02:27.13 | cbecht | Master-Yoda: df is useful as well. |
| 02:27.21 | claudio_ | mdh: right. that's what I meant |
| 02:27.21 | mdh | Master-Yoda: tar cfp - /myshit | (cd /newdrive && tar xfp -) |
| 02:27.24 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: maybe apt doesn't do that ? |
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| 02:27.39 | mwilson | abrotman: rackears.com sells generic blanks. :) |
| 02:27.40 | FieldySnuts | curious. oh well |
| 02:28.15 | abrotman | mwilson: the first hit on google seems a wee bit promising .. without me actually knowing exactly what you're looking for |
| 02:28.24 | abrotman | mwilson: or are generic blanks good ? |
| 02:28.44 | mdh | claudio_: some video cards support "mergedfb" which does something similar to xinerama but lets you use DRI |
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| 02:29.08 | mdh | claudio_: I run with mergedfb with my matrox g450 |
| 02:29.13 | claudio_ | mdh: hmm, interesting, I didn't know that |
| 02:29.25 | mdh | its kinda funky though |
| 02:29.30 | Stereo | ah yes, I have to disable DRI |
| 02:29.36 | mwilson | abrotman: Specifically, I'm looking for ears for a 3C16942A. |
| 02:29.39 | Stereo | I was wondering why kdm wasn't starting... |
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| 02:30.00 | mwilson | abrotman: But I can drill a generic to fit... I couldn't even find a source for generics. |
| 02:30.03 | Master-Yoda | sorry |
| 02:30.14 | Master-Yoda | anyone? |
| 02:30.26 | Master-Yoda | i cant find the harddrive my datacenter mounted, where would it be |
| 02:30.33 | Master-Yoda | or how can i mnt it if the system just cant see it |
| 02:30.34 | mdh | many apps are written to pop shit up in the center of the resolution you have - so you end up with passphrase boxes and whatnot stuck between two monitors |
| 02:30.41 | abrotman | mwilson: wouldn't any 1U bracket be compatible from a 3com device ? |
| 02:30.52 | FieldySnuts | mount alone will show mounted partitions. if you need to mount something which is not mounted, man mount |
| 02:30.57 | maher | Master-Yoda: try cat /proc/partitions |
| 02:31.02 | Master-Yoda | k |
| 02:31.15 | cbecht | The holes are in different places on different gear, even if it's the same number of rack U. |
| 02:31.18 | abrotman | mwilson: so rackears.com works for you ? |
| 02:31.24 | kenk | I am still stuck w a system which does not come up w a screen. Anyone knows how to boot-up a hdisk file system w a installation cdrom? |
| 02:31.26 | mwilson | It's a 1U device, and no, they're not compatible. |
| 02:31.29 | Master-Yoda | my |
| 02:31.31 | abrotman | oh .. ok |
| 02:31.37 | Master-Yoda | alot of styff ok cat /proc/partitions |
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| 02:31.58 | Master-Yoda | anyone this is really important |
| 02:31.58 | mwilson | 3Com mounts might be broadly compatible, but the three different devices I have here that DO have ears have three different hole patterns. |
| 02:32.11 | Master-Yoda | hmm |
| 02:32.16 | abrotman | mwilson: cute ... |
| 02:32.18 | Master-Yoda | i cant seem to tell |
| 02:32.25 | initech | mwilson: just drill more holes in the switch |
| 02:32.29 | cbecht | mwilson: That is some kickass forethought from the 3com hardware design team. |
| 02:32.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:32.41 | FieldySnuts | 3com does that a lot |
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| 02:32.44 | claudio_ | Master-Yoda: was the new disk recognized by the system? Is it a SCSI or ide unit? |
| 02:32.48 | abrotman | not just 3com |
| 02:33.05 | cbecht | Yeah, true enough. |
| 02:33.19 | FieldySnuts | an apc rack mount UPS we have didn't line up period with the *RACK* |
| 02:33.31 | FieldySnuts | annoyed, we called them and they sent us different ones and they worked |
| 02:33.33 | mwilson | initech: Uh, no, I'll drill holes in the ears before I drill holes in the switch. :) |
| 02:33.40 | Master-Yoda | Your old primary is hdb. You will have 24 hours to recover all your data. <--- how do i recover??? |
| 02:33.45 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: You need one of those racks that has both hole spacings. |
| 02:33.48 | Master-Yoda | claudio_, ide |
| 02:33.53 | berky | Hi all. I just ran through a Debian install on my laptop, and everything seemed fine. But it boots up, attempts to switch character modes, spews errors about /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm and then goes into an infinite loop. |
| 02:33.59 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: it does, that's the confusing thing |
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| 02:34.11 | mwilson | heh. |
| 02:34.13 | abrotman | !find Stack.pm sarge |
| 02:34.15 | FieldySnuts | fucking apc |
| 02:34.16 | claudio_ | Master-Yoda: mount /dev/hdb /mnt; cd /mnt; ls -- does that work? |
| 02:34.18 | cbecht | There's always rack shelf stuff. I have some brackets that mount to front and rear rails and support along the whole depth of the rack. They're great for UPS's and heavy servers and such. |
| 02:34.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Stack.pm' (4 of 6): (/usr/share/perl5/Lire/ChartTypes/Stack.pm) in admin/lire ;; (/usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm) in admin/debconf ;; (/usr/share/perl5/Devel/CoreStack.pm) in perl/libdevel-corestack-perl ;; (/usr/lib/pike/7.6.24/lib/7.0/modules/Stack.pmod, /usr/share/pike/7.6.24/lib/7.0/modules/Stack.pmod) in interpreters/pike7.6-core. |
| 02:34.32 | Master-Yoda | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 02:34.38 | FieldySnuts | heh this ups is 450lbs, not about to put that on a rack |
| 02:34.42 | mdh | QEmacs (for Quick Emacs) is a very small but powerful editor (Size: 738408) |
| 02:34.43 | FieldySnuts | er on a rack shelf |
| 02:34.44 | abrotman | berky: debconf is ... installed ? |
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| 02:34.48 | claudio_ | hmm |
| 02:34.54 | mdh | Vi is the original screen based text editor for Unix systems. (Size: 288166) |
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| 02:35.16 | mwilson | cbecht: I've got shelves, but I'd rather use the shelves for stuff that needs shelves, like keyboards. |
| 02:35.17 | berky | abrotman: I have no idea... It doesn't seem to have completed the Debian install correctly. |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: could be fun .. make sure it's the top position :) |
| 02:35.18 | mdh | emacs: redefining the meaning of "small" since 1969 |
| 02:35.24 | astronut | apt: start an editor war |
| 02:35.25 | apt | nano is known to repel members of the opposite sex |
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| 02:35.27 | claudio_ | Master-Yoda: does fdisk -l /dev/hdb show something reasonable? |
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| 02:35.45 | Master-Yoda | /dev/hdb1 1 243 1951866 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 02:35.46 | Master-Yoda | /dev/hdb2 * 244 9729 76196295 83 Linux |
| 02:35.50 | abrotman | berky: i mean . if you just installed it .. you could try again .. assuming it didn't take too long the first time .. did you use the 2.4 or 2.6 kernels ? |
| 02:35.51 | Master-Yoda | sorry, i ddint mean topaste here |
| 02:36.20 | cbecht | FieldySnuts: Well, they're not quite *shelves* they're like full-depth brackets. I don't know of an easy way to describe them. I think they're rated for about 600 lbs or so, iirc. |
| 02:36.22 | claudio_ | Master-Yoda: sorry, I meant mount /dev/hdb1 or hdb2 before |
| 02:36.24 | berky | abrotman: I use the 2.6 kernel because I was having trouble getting the installer to recognize my PCMCIA network card under 2.4. And, yeah, it took QUITE a while to do the network install. :( |
| 02:36.34 | Stereo | so I've got Screen "TV1 RightOf "TV0" in my ServerLayout, and I get this error: |
| 02:36.37 | Stereo | Parse error on line 242 of section ServerLayout in file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 02:36.38 | claudio_ | hdb2 in this case |
| 02:36.43 | Stereo | "TV0"" is not a valid keyword in this section. |
| 02:36.43 | berky | abrotman: I'm also worried it would have exactly the same outcome if I did it over. |
| 02:36.49 | abrotman | berky: did you use the business card or netinst ? |
| 02:36.50 | Stevie | eh |
| 02:36.55 | berky | abrotman: Netinst. |
| 02:36.56 | claudio_ | Master-Yoda: so mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt should do what you need |
| 02:37.01 | Stevie | my touchpad's not working correctly |
| 02:37.02 | Master-Yoda | yay |
| 02:37.03 | Master-Yoda | thanks |
| 02:37.06 | abrotman | berky: you can use the CD as your source .. how slow is the laptop ? |
| 02:37.13 | Stereo | what am I doing wrong? |
| 02:37.17 | Stevie | it's acting like i'm constantly holding the mouse to the upper-right |
| 02:37.19 | trave11er | Stereo: you are missing a quote there |
| 02:37.25 | berky | abrotman: It's a P3/650 with a slow HD. It won't need to redownload all the files? |
| 02:37.26 | trave11er | after TV1 |
| 02:37.31 | Stereo | whoa |
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| 02:37.43 | Stereo | thanks trave11er. I'm pre-coffee obviously. |
| 02:37.50 | Stereo | 4:30 am here |
| 02:37.52 | abrotman | berky: the netinst actually has enough stuff to get a base install(the business card doesn't) |
| 02:38.03 | abrotman | berky: so you don't have to use the internet until you've got it installed |
| 02:38.13 | pablo | hi guys, I made some packages and when I see his content I only see documentation files (/usr/share/doc) what this can be guys? Thanks :( |
| 02:38.23 | pablo | I lost a lot of time build them :/ |
| 02:38.28 | pablo | building* |
| 02:38.36 | berky | abrotman: Ah. So I could tell it to install no additional packages? I read online that the installer won't let you select absolutely no packages to install. |
| 02:38.42 | cbecht | Stevie: Might be the wrng protocol in your XF86Config-4 |
| 02:39.13 | cbecht | *wrong |
| 02:39.15 | Stereo | whaa |
| 02:39.19 | Stereo | it works |
| 02:39.26 | trave11er | pablo: do you seriously think somebody will be able to help you based on the information you've provided? |
| 02:39.36 | abrotman | berky: the netinst has enough stuff to get a machine that boots etc .. there won't be much else on the system but you sohuld at least be able to see if it installed correctly . then begin installing additional packages from the net if it works out |
| 02:39.53 | kunphuzil | Does anyone know, if I can use a Linksys WUSB54G for a debian netinstall? |
| 02:39.54 | berky | abrotman: OK, I'll take another stab at it. At least it's something to try. |
| 02:40.00 | berky | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 02:40.06 | abrotman | berky: that file that you're missing .. really shouldn't be missing :) |
| 02:40.16 | berky | abrotman: It's not missing. |
| 02:40.17 | Stereo | thank you astronut, claudio_, mdh and cbecht :D |
| 02:40.24 | astronut | Stereo: np |
| 02:40.28 | cbecht | kunphuzil: What chipset is in it? |
| 02:40.29 | claudio_ | pablo: uhm, does the install target in debian/rules seem correct? perhaps you can /j #debian-mentors to get packaging help |
| 02:40.30 | berky | abrotman: At least, the Stack.pm file if that's the one you mean. It's there. |
| 02:40.43 | abrotman | berky: is the harddrive known to be good ? |
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| 02:41.23 | berky | abrotman: Yes. I was using it earlier today with Windows XP. I unallocated free space on the drive with Partition Magic 8 and then gave that space to the Debian installer. |
| 02:41.34 | abrotman | berky: ah ok |
| 02:41.59 | pablo | claudio_ thanks :) |
| 02:42.23 | abrotman | kunphuzil: in genernal .. usb ethernet/wifi devices . suck rocks :) |
| 02:42.42 | berky | abrotman: The system says "Configuring base system..." and then it outputs the errors. I read in one of the logs that termwrap is trying to change the character mode. |
| 02:43.15 | trave11er | pablo: is your source package available somewhere to have a look at? |
| 02:43.28 | berky | abrotman: I'm not sure if that's what's generating the error, but it's the last thing I see in the log. |
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| 02:43.39 | abrotman | berky: i personally haven't seen that . you can try asking #debian-boot |
| 02:43.45 | abrotman | berky: or attempt a reinstall |
| 02:43.49 | berky | abrotman: Thanks for your help. |
| 02:43.52 | pablo | trave11er ok wait me please thanks |
| 02:43.55 | abrotman | berky: no problem |
| 02:44.06 | berky | abrotman: I might as well try again and if the problem persists, I'll look for additional help then. |
| 02:44.29 | abrotman | berky: #debian-boot(if they're awake) are some of the people responsible for making that installer |
| 02:44.47 | kunphuzil | cbecht: PrismGT i believe |
| 02:45.06 | pablo | trave11er, http://200.126.82.43/~pablo/evo/evolution-2.3.4/ :D |
| 02:45.23 | trave11er | pablo: are you packaging evolution? |
| 02:45.28 | cbecht | kunphuzil: Yeah, it seems it uses prism54, and there are linux drivers, but not for the USB versions. You might be able to get it working with ndiswrapper or other ugly hacks, but that's something to mess with *after* you have a working system. Installing through it would take some hardcore contortions. |
| 02:45.59 | cbecht | kunphuzil: You're probably better off buying a cheap realtek 8139 card, or an external 56k to use. |
| 02:46.12 | cbecht | kunphuzil: Or for that matter, burning debian install discs. |
| 02:46.18 | trave11er | pablo: have you looked at existing evolution packages? |
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| 02:47.04 | pablo | trave11er yep |
| 02:47.04 | kunphuzil | cbecht: Yeah, i've got a cheap NIC i can use |
| 02:47.25 | trave11er | pablo: sorry, don't know any cdbs stuff |
| 02:47.34 | pablo | ok thanks trave11er |
| 02:47.40 | cbecht | kunphuzil: That's the way to go then. Once you have the system up, then you can try to hack in the wireless drivers if they're really important to you. |
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| 02:48.47 | kunphuzil | cbecht: well, i guess i should figure out if i can get it working at all later, because i really don't want to have to permantly install my computer in my dad's office ;D |
| 02:49.13 | kunphuzil | cbecht: i have gotten a previous version to work with debian, but i think that was a diffierent chipset |
| 02:49.17 | kunphuzil | anyways, thanks |
| 02:50.17 | cbecht | kunphuzil: There are hacky ways to get a certain amount of support. Google around for prism54 and linuxant and ndiswrapper and such. |
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| 02:51.14 | quittt | hey |
| 02:51.22 | quittt | seens that mountall.sh in etch is broken |
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| 02:51.38 | kunphuzil | cbecht: bleh, why is this? (why such flakey support?) not trying to be rude, just is odd |
| 02:51.53 | chealer | wow, I thought kernel-packge's doc needed some polishing...until I red the linux kernel's README |
| 02:52.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:52.16 | cbecht | kunphuzil: It's a fairly new chipset, and they haven't gotten around to writing USB glue. |
| 02:52.45 | chealer | good thing I found I didn't really need to compile my own kernel...thanks to noapic nolapic |
| 02:52.50 | cbecht | kunphuzil: As I understand it, the PCI versions work ok. It's possible the USB support got better while I wasn't looking. That happens sometimes with OSS. |
| 02:53.01 | chealer | (thanks FieldySnuts) |
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| 02:53.07 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 02:53.16 | lkthomas | anyone know ldap and pam_ldap ? |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | i think that #ldap or #openldap exist |
| 02:54.10 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 02:54.29 | mdh | !anyone |
| 02:54.29 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 02:55.53 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:55.53 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 02:56.14 | jim | maybe also #pam |
| 02:56.30 | abrotman | jim: i assume all women named pam ? |
| 02:56.42 | jim | dunno :) |
| 02:56.49 | jim | could be :) |
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| 02:58.06 | deadcat | is it normal for the hd to make beep noise while cp'ing file via nfs? |
| 02:58.22 | alekzandr | i have previously installed webmin from source, and now i want to use the .deb packages, but it seems attempts to connect are still being routed to the source install, how can i undo this? |
| 02:58.25 | FieldySnuts | um. most disk drives don't beep |
| 02:58.25 | deadcat | dont sound good |
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| 02:58.46 | i02sopop | hi |
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| 02:59.16 | alekzandr | i have previously installed webmin from source, and now i want to use the .deb packages, but it seems attempts to connect are still being routed to the source install, how can i undo this? |
| 02:59.20 | alekzandr | sorry |
| 02:59.42 | Gnea | alekzandr: make uninstall |
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| 03:00.02 | alekzandr | what controls https accesses to port 10000? i thought that would be identd.conf |
| 03:00.05 | i02sopop | and make clean |
| 03:00.07 | jim | pam anderson, pamela york, |
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| 03:00.17 | initech | alekzandr: fix your apache then ... doesn't it run from apache? |
| 03:00.27 | Gnea | alekzandr: well, the daemon - however it's being run, check inetd.conf |
| 03:00.34 | kenk | bad start, connection cut-off after I posed a q. Now, how to use a installation cdrom to boot up a disk filesystem? |
| 03:00.39 | Gnea | initech: webmin is its own thing |
| 03:00.42 | initech | alekzandr: forget that, I don't know |
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| 03:01.09 | deadcat | hd failure... seems like some partitions are dead. )= |
| 03:01.24 | Gnea | deadhd :( |
| 03:01.48 | quittt | who is using etch here? |
| 03:02.00 | Gnea | i've got it going on one machine |
| 03:02.01 | Gnea | what's up? |
| 03:02.14 | quittt | Gnea, do you have problems with mountall.sh? |
| 03:02.32 | jim | hey, pam tillis is kinda cute ;) |
| 03:02.43 | abrotman | isn't 10000 that crappy program webmin ? |
| 03:03.01 | FieldySnuts | yes, and also veritas tape backup |
| 03:03.12 | Gnea | quittt: nafaik... |
| 03:03.15 | Gnea | abrotman: yup |
| 03:03.30 | FieldySnuts | which recently had a major remote vulnerability exposed, so there are a lot of scans on that port. like any other service, best to change the port away from default, if it makes sense |
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| 03:04.05 | FieldySnuts | jim: she IS cute. what a voice too!! |
| 03:04.13 | FieldySnuts | gettin kinda old but whatever |
| 03:04.50 | quittt | in which package is mountall.sh included? |
| 03:04.59 | caphuso | quittt: dpkg -S |
| 03:05.12 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: wait, there are people that don't get old? ;) |
| 03:05.14 | alekzandr | who is pam tillis? |
| 03:05.19 | jim | FieldySnuts: never heard of her until I searched for pam |
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| 03:05.59 | FieldySnuts | http://www.pamtillis.com/ |
| 03:06.03 | FieldySnuts | argh needs flash, nevermind |
| 03:06.17 | initech | jim: yeah that's how I found out about garth brooks too |
| 03:06.17 | claudio_ | alekzandr: Pam Tillis (born July 24, 1957 in Plant City, Florida) is an American country music singer and actor. |
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| 03:06.26 | FieldySnuts | google if ya want |
| 03:06.36 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: google images |
| 03:06.43 | alekzandr | i i live a few miles from plant city |
| 03:06.49 | FieldySnuts | don't have to i know what she looks like |
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| 03:06.58 | torrent_masters | wtf is this garth brooks shit |
| 03:07.02 | torrent_masters | he sux :/ |
| 03:07.04 | Gnea | As the daughter of legendary country artist Mel Tillis, country diva Pam Tillis grew up surrounded by music and musicians. At the tender age of eight, she joined him onstage to perform at the Grand Ole Opry. |
| 03:07.05 | FieldySnuts | ~troll torrent_masters |
| 03:07.05 | apt | ACTION hereby declares torrent_masters a troll |
| 03:07.11 | Gnea | !troll torrent_masters |
| 03:07.11 | torrent_masters | lol |
| 03:07.15 | jim | I'd rather hear Kurt Elling, except I heard he treats bandmates like shit |
| 03:07.22 | Gnea | Pam Tillis != Garth Brooks |
| 03:07.22 | torrent_masters | i see it as merely telling the truth |
| 03:07.23 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: copycat |
| 03:07.24 | dj28 | hello. i just installed courier-mta, and some of our user accounts do not have a Maildir with courier's files in them. how can i create these directories and have them done automatically in the future |
| 03:07.32 | FieldySnuts | perspective matters |
| 03:07.34 | torrent_masters | :D |
| 03:07.36 | torrent_masters | exactly |
| 03:07.39 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: ~ copied ! what are you talking about |
| 03:07.44 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:07.49 | FieldySnuts | i did it before you , you tit! |
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| 03:08.06 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate Gnea |
| 03:08.06 | apt | Gnea: Y iz debain so old? who uses kde hello? |
| 03:08.11 | Gnea | rofl |
| 03:08.25 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: you should get out more :) |
| 03:08.26 | jim | who uses gnu hello? |
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| 03:08.42 | pumpitup | ok im fet up withi this broken kde package of unstable...it says kdelibs4 depends on libjack 0.80 or higher i got libjack 100 and still broken packag |
| 03:08.43 | Gnea | who uses used whos hello? |
| 03:08.58 | Gnea | heh |
| 03:09.00 | Gnea | kde sucks |
| 03:09.01 | cbecht | Used Ho's? |
| 03:09.09 | Gnea | h0h0h0h0h0h0 |
| 03:09.23 | pumpitup | Gnea: what do you recommend |
| 03:09.29 | cbecht | HELLO! |
| 03:09.39 | Gnea | pumpitup: that all depends what you wanna be able to do |
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| 03:10.04 | Gnea | pumpitup: i say check out fluxbox and enlightenment |
| 03:10.22 | claudio_ | any cowsay fan around? |
| 03:10.24 | kenk | my system boot-up without a screen after i did some changes to XF86Config-4. I don't have a rescue floppy. I am trying to use an installation cdrom to boot-up the disk filesystem. It had been suggested that from the shell (ash) provided by the installion cdrom, i mount the disk filesystem and do a chroot. The trouble is I cannot mount the fs. any help avilable? |
| 03:10.41 | cbecht | I hear nadvsh is nice. |
| 03:10.44 | pumpitup | Gnea: well web browsing media playing audio and video ...amsn :D |
| 03:10.45 | Gnea | pumpitup: it's likely to be completely unlike anything you're used to, but then linux isn't windows |
| 03:11.00 | Gnea | pumpitup: aww yeah, they can do all those - and more |
| 03:11.12 | deepfrze | In case anyone is interested, I downloaded the latest etch install image and it now boots on my second system. Haven't tried it on this system yet. Must have been a bad image download |
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| 03:11.35 | quittt | caphuso, i think I found a bug with mountall.sh |
| 03:11.48 | Gnea | kenk: just ctrl-alt-f1 and login |
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| 03:12.04 | liable | kenk: is it ide drive? is it hda1 and what partition. |
| 03:12.05 | deepfrze | It's written on the same cdrw disk that wouldn't boot with the other image. |
| 03:12.09 | kenk | Gnee, i have tried that, no go. |
| 03:12.14 | deepfrze | cheers. |
| 03:12.17 | Gnea | deepfrze: using which kernel? |
| 03:12.30 | deepfrze | Gnea: 2.6.11 |
| 03:12.31 | cbecht | kenk: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace too? |
| 03:12.37 | quittt | do you have problems with it? |
| 03:12.46 | kenk | liable, it is ide drive, partition hda3. |
| 03:12.50 | preda | I still have problem with samba making system not responding but not showing high cpu in top, if you have any ideas please help |
| 03:13.14 | abrotman | #samba |
| 03:13.14 | liable | kenk: mount /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 /mnt/whatever |
| 03:13.27 | Gnea | deepfrze: you installed that after the face? 2.6.11 isn't in etch, that's sid or from kernel.org |
| 03:13.33 | chealer | preda: not responding in what way? |
| 03:13.34 | Gnea | deepfrze: s/face/fact/ |
| 03:13.47 | abrotman | Gnea: how many badgerbadgerbadger shirts do you own ? |
| 03:13.55 | Gnea | abrotman: zero |
| 03:14.02 | abrotman | Gnea: but you live there! |
| 03:14.07 | Gnea | what? |
| 03:14.15 | Gnea | i saw a beaver the other day |
| 03:14.17 | Gnea | it was hairy |
| 03:14.19 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:14.19 | abrotman | Gnea: wisconsin badgersbadgersbadgers! |
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| 03:14.28 | Gnea | i was walking down the ice age trail |
| 03:14.33 | Gnea | and there it was |
| 03:14.33 | preda | chealer: when I get files from it, mpg123 stop playing music, ssh stops, pinging the box seems unreachable but all this while the samba working fine |
| 03:14.35 | chealer | !info kernel-source-2.6.11 etch |
| 03:14.46 | Gnea | it hid into some bushes |
| 03:14.52 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:14.55 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:14.55 | chealer | !info kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7 etch |
| 03:14.58 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on AMD K7.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.11-5 (etch), Packaged size: 15288 kB, Installed size: 45716 kB |
| 03:15.04 | abrotman | !phillysmite Gnea |
| 03:15.16 | Gnea | !cheesesmite abrotman |
| 03:15.18 | deepfrze | Gnea: read chealer's message, thanks chealer |
| 03:15.23 | Gnea | what |
| 03:15.26 | Gnea | no cheese?>! |
| 03:15.28 | Gnea | deepfrze: kewl |
| 03:15.29 | abrotman | you have to make it! |
| 03:15.38 | Gnea | apt-get install source |
| 03:15.40 | Gnea | lol |
| 03:16.02 | chealer | preda: you get them while the fs is mouted smbfs or cifs? |
| 03:16.32 | preda | chealer: the shares are mounted on windows boxes |
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| 03:16.41 | Gnea | !quote RHAT |
| 03:16.41 | kenk | liable, 1. will target0 make sense to the system? 2. has to mkdir /mnt/x, first? |
| 03:16.42 | Stevie[FP] | Quote #737 added by Timmah on #system at 4/9/01 10:51pm: <micronix> look mommy, an oper! |
| 03:16.43 | dpkg | RHAT: 14.31 (14.44/13.50), 7/1/2005 4:00pm, Opened 13.50, Volume 19,053,244, Change +1.21 |
| 03:16.58 | liable | kenk: yes and yes |
| 03:17.06 | chealer | preda: oh. which release is it? |
| 03:17.20 | kenk | liable, will try it out. thanks. |
| 03:17.27 | preda | chealer: 8x win98 and 2x winxp |
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| 03:17.37 | liable | kenk: np |
| 03:17.38 | chealer | preda: I meant the server |
| 03:17.59 | preda | chealer: Version 3.0.14a-Debian |
| 03:18.31 | preda | chealer: even freshly netinstalled sarge |
| 03:18.49 | preda | chealer: had sae problem with woody as well |
| 03:18.54 | preda | same* |
| 03:19.12 | Gnea | !cheesesmite abrotman |
| 03:19.15 | hikaru79 | What is the "correct" way to install nvidia drivers for sarge? I've found so many conflicting reports from google. Can anyone tell me how it should be done? |
| 03:19.21 | Gnea | !cheesesmite |
| 03:19.21 | dpkg | backs a 3-story dumptruck filled with molten chedder cheese and dumps it onto you |
| 03:19.21 | pumpitup | Gnea : installed the fluxbox but when lodaing X server nothing loads please pardon my stupidity but what should i do |
| 03:19.26 | Gnea | oops |
| 03:19.34 | FieldySnuts | looks like that needs fixed, change <reply> to <action> |
| 03:20.09 | Gnea | !cheesesmite abrotman |
| 03:20.15 | Gnea | !cheesesmite |
| 03:20.20 | Gnea | d'oh |
| 03:20.33 | abrotman | Gnea: $1 |
| 03:20.45 | chealer | preda: hum...I guess /var/log/messages doesn't help? |
| 03:20.47 | Gnea | that's all it costs huh? :) |
| 03:20.48 | deepfrze | preda: I installed samba last week and could not see my win 98 box from linux (ping worked). Had to transfer files from win98 to linux and back using win98. |
| 03:20.52 | Gnea | !cheesesmite abrotman |
| 03:20.55 | claudio_ | pumpitup: I'm running fluxbox here, just worked out of the box |
| 03:21.05 | Gnea | no work |
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| 03:21.14 | preda | chealer: no messages, just hangs untill transfer ends |
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| 03:21.17 | pumpitup | hmm thats weird :S |
| 03:21.20 | Gnea | !cheesesmite abrotman |
| 03:21.38 | claudio_ | pumpitup: how are you starting it? startx? |
| 03:21.39 | preda | deepfrze: everything else working, just when I get files, pushing into it works perfect |
| 03:21.39 | chealer | preda: I have no clue...I go with abrotman |
| 03:21.49 | abrotman | Gnea: so so bad |
| 03:22.11 | pumpitup | claudio_: yup |
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| 03:22.22 | pumpitup | claudio_: i only get the gray screen with the X cursor |
| 03:22.43 | Gnea | abrotman: i know |
| 03:22.51 | abrotman | and i can't make dpkg forget it |
| 03:22.53 | Gnea | maybe i need tmore cheese |
| 03:23.33 | preda | chealer: I will try voodoo fix it :\ |
| 03:23.34 | claudio_ | pumpitup: have you tried update-alternatives --display x-window-manager? |
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| 03:24.10 | claudio_ | pumpitup: mine says link currently points to /usr/bin/fluxbox |
| 03:24.34 | dafen | ibm t42 , compiling kernel dont' knwo which cpu to choose, pentium M or Peintium-4 M? |
| 03:24.43 | pumpitup | claudio_ : hmm forgot to add exec fluxbox to xinitrc |
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| 03:24.53 | pumpitup | claudio_ : lemme chek if that works |
| 03:25.25 | claudio_ | oh, that would be helpful |
| 03:25.36 | pumpitup | claudio_ : err where is that xinitrc |
| 03:25.53 | claudio_ | ~/.xinitrc? |
| 03:25.53 | apt | ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred. xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead. |
| 03:26.08 | Nurbs_ | dafen: that's a comparably new one, right? like centrino generation... pentium-4 M then |
| 03:26.17 | Guerin | grrr, i'm too stupid to install gravity's xorg packages |
| 03:26.29 | Guerin | i can't figure out how to pin them without a Release file |
| 03:26.39 | abrotman | !cheesesmite Gnea |
| 03:26.48 | abrotman | oh yay |
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| 03:26.56 | dafen | err.. friends told me to choose pentium -M |
| 03:26.58 | abrotman | !hi |
| 03:26.58 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 03:27.03 | dafen | and you said pentium-4 M, NUrbs.. |
| 03:27.04 | abrotman | k ... |
| 03:27.07 | Nurbs_ | dafen: heh |
| 03:27.08 | abrotman | !cheesesmite Gnea |
| 03:27.11 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:27.31 | abrotman | !pee Gnea |
| 03:27.34 | abrotman | close enough |
| 03:27.36 | FieldySnuts | ~pee on abrotman |
| 03:27.36 | apt | ACTION pees on abrotman |
| 03:27.40 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:27.48 | claudio_ | lol |
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| 03:27.54 | Guerin | Nurbs_: upentium 4-m and pentium m are very different |
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| 03:28.23 | Guerin | that said, their gcc optimisations are about the same as plain pentium4 |
| 03:28.24 | Nurbs_ | .oO( or did I mix them up now? *sigh* ) |
| 03:28.32 | pumpitup | claudio_ : nop stil doesnt work |
| 03:28.33 | dafen | nurbs |
| 03:28.38 | dafen | I cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:28.42 | Guerin | dafen: doesn't really matter. |
| 03:28.49 | Gnea | i think dpkg is constipated |
| 03:28.50 | Kylixen | Well that was easier than I thought it would be. |
| 03:28.51 | dafen | it tells that I have intel pentium M processor 1.70ghz |
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| 03:29.06 | dafen | so..... |
| 03:29.13 | Nurbs_ | most important is choosing intel enhanced speedstep under frequency scaling :) |
| 03:29.20 | Guerin | dafen: gcc doesn't implement a lot of the special stuff that pentium m can do - it treats them much the same as a pentium 4 |
| 03:29.20 | Kylixen | Fieldy: You wouldn't happen to know if the ALSA is configured to emulate multiple sound channels, woudl you? |
| 03:29.31 | claudio_ | pumpitup: hmm, that's odd |
| 03:29.31 | Kylixen | On apt-get, that is. |
| 03:29.40 | Guerin | dafen: so pick any of pentium 4, pentium 4m or pentium m |
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| 03:29.46 | FieldySnuts | Kylixen: lucky that I was watching, else i would have never seen that. please use my full nick in the future. i have no idea |
| 03:29.59 | Guerin | it really isn't a big decision |
| 03:30.22 | Kylixen | What is Debian's downloading system typically refered to as? |
| 03:30.30 | Guerin | Kylixen: downloading. |
| 03:30.46 | Guerin | same as any other downloading system, over tcp/ip |
| 03:30.47 | abrotman | tcpip |
| 03:30.54 | claudio_ | pumpitup: do you have something else in ~/.xinitrc? |
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| 03:31.04 | Kylixen | I mean, the network/system fetching structure. |
| 03:31.11 | Kylixen | Gentoo users refer to their's as "portage" |
| 03:31.13 | abrotman | Kylixen: apt-get ? apt ? dpkg ? |
| 03:31.16 | Guerin | Kylixen: apt |
| 03:31.18 | abrotman | !apt |
| 03:31.18 | dpkg | methinks apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. Unless you referring to Sun's 'Annotation Processing Tool', which ... does not 'kick ass.' |
| 03:31.41 | Kylixen | Okie. |
| 03:31.41 | claudio_ | heh |
| 03:31.47 | pumpitup | claudio_ : /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 03:31.52 | Guerin | the network component of both apt and portage is purely incidental |
| 03:32.04 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 03:32.07 | Guerin | what you're talking about is a package management system |
| 03:32.42 | FieldySnuts | pms? |
| 03:32.46 | Kylixen | It's late, and i'm a bit burnt out. You'll have to forgive me for being relatively inept. |
| 03:33.05 | Guerin | i feel that |
| 03:33.10 | claudio_ | pumpitup: IMHO it would be better leave Xsession as is and add it to ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc |
| 03:33.12 | FieldySnuts | uh feel what |
| 03:33.20 | Guerin | burnt out |
| 03:33.22 | FieldySnuts | oh ok |
| 03:33.24 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: your mom |
| 03:33.42 | Gnea | hrm |
| 03:33.48 | Kylixen | Been swimming in menuconfig for about 3 hours, me brain hurts. I finally just gave up and apt-get install 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 03:33.56 | Gnea | i need another beer |
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| 03:33.59 | Kylixen | Well, the kernel anway hoe |
| 03:34.02 | Gnea | !beer Kylixen |
| 03:34.04 | Kylixen | *who |
| 03:34.07 | WiFiTux | why is it that I don't have mknod? |
| 03:34.16 | WiFiTux | I doo. |
| 03:34.21 | Kylixen | Actually, I might. I'm plannin on lay with the wife in a moment though. |
| 03:34.26 | Kylixen | She dislikes beer breath =\ |
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| 03:34.35 | FieldySnuts | ~abuse Gnea |
| 03:34.35 | apt | ACTION smacks Gnea across the face. "Take that, Bitch!" |
| 03:34.39 | Gnea | :( |
| 03:34.42 | FieldySnuts | wow lagged dpkg |
| 03:34.44 | Guerin | bah, what sort of wife is that? |
| 03:34.47 | Gnea | oh |
| 03:34.48 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 03:34.58 | FieldySnuts | one that whips your ass if you get out of line |
| 03:34.59 | Kylixen | KeKeke |
| 03:35.05 | Gnea | lol |
| 03:35.10 | Kylixen | I am rather suprised at how fast debian is. |
| 03:35.17 | Kylixen | It's fater than Gentoo ever was on this system. |
| 03:35.21 | Kylixen | s/fater/faster/ |
| 03:35.28 | FieldySnuts | nice troll attempt |
| 03:35.30 | Gnea | wow |
| 03:35.31 | claudio_ | WiFiTux: perhaps you don't have coreutils installed... |
| 03:35.34 | Guerin | that might be because the loops are all still rolled |
| 03:35.37 | pumpitup | claudio_ : cant find ~/.xinitrc |
| 03:35.40 | FieldySnuts | ~start a world war |
| 03:35.40 | apt | Brits will one day stomp the IRA! |
| 03:35.46 | WiFiTux | claudio_: my bad. |
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| 03:35.53 | Kylixen | Eh? Troll attempt? |
| 03:35.57 | claudio_ | pumpitup: echo fluxbox > ~/.xinitrc |
| 03:36.07 | Kylixen | Tis true, she's running better. Even with the generic kernel. |
| 03:36.09 | Guerin | genkernel made a broken kernel on my box today |
| 03:36.13 | Kylixen | It's kinda scarin me. |
| 03:36.13 | Guerin | i'm not pleased |
| 03:36.50 | Guerin | Kylixen: debian's stock kernels are the shit. FO extra omglols, apt-get install libc6-i686 |
| 03:36.52 | FieldySnuts | genkernel is a peice of shit, anyone in their channel could tell ya hat |
| 03:36.56 | Guerin | if you have a 686, that is |
| 03:37.05 | Kylixen | Yea, I do. |
| 03:37.08 | FieldySnuts | i bet the handbook still says to use it though. wankers. |
| 03:37.12 | Kylixen | On both the systems. |
| 03:37.16 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: yeah, that much is clear to me now. |
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| 03:37.43 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: it gives the option, but I like taking the easy route and using distro-provided tools ... i'm used to them working, see. |
| 03:37.59 | Kylixen | It seems just yesterday I was a young padawan and I didn't know the difference between sparc/ppc/ix86/etc... |
| 03:38.34 | DoppelGanger | ha |
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| 03:39.11 | FieldySnuts | genkernel once worked fine, that was a long time ago |
| 03:39.22 | FieldySnuts | guess it's not important enough for them to fix |
| 03:39.25 | FieldySnuts | anyway back on topic |
| 03:39.33 | Kylixen | apt-get remove xscreensaver |
| 03:39.33 | Kylixen | bah |
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| 03:40.23 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: wrong screen. |
| 03:40.39 | Kylixen | Wrong keyboard ;) |
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| 03:40.51 | Miazmatic | how do i completely destroy the partition table on a disk? |
| 03:40.54 | pumpitup | claudio_ : in fluxbox right now :D |
| 03:41.01 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: two computer setup? |
| 03:41.04 | Miazmatic | i'm trying to add an entire disk as an LVM volume group |
| 03:41.05 | claudio_ | pumpitup: great! |
| 03:41.10 | Kylixen | Miazmatic: Whack it with a big "dd" stick? |
| 03:41.26 | pumpitup | claudio_ : lol can u add icons on the desktop |
| 03:41.28 | Miazmatic | Kylixen: elaborate |
| 03:41.29 | Kylixen | TwistedEmotions: yea, this is the server, the keyboard rests on my lap while my pc's rests on the desk |
| 03:41.33 | Kylixen | I get them confused sometimes. |
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| 03:42.00 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: Ahhh... I do that but dont have external keyboard connected to lappy |
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| 03:42.04 | Kylixen | Miazmatic: Why would you want to destroy the partition table? |
| 03:42.24 | Miazmatic | Kylixen: to add an entire disk to an LVM volume group, it cannot have a partition table |
| 03:42.42 | Kylixen | Miazmatic: You can't just delete all the partitions in cfdisk? |
| 03:42.45 | claudio_ | Miazmatic: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/bla bs=1K count=1 |
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| 03:43.15 | Miazmatic | Kylixen: i tried, but for some reason the logical volumes i created didn't persist |
| 03:43.23 | Miazmatic | claudio_: thanks, let me try that |
| 03:43.24 | Kylixen | Oi |
| 03:43.36 | claudio_ | Miazmatic: but I'm not sure if that's strictly needed |
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| 03:43.46 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:43.46 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:43.50 | abrotman | JIM! |
| 03:43.52 | Kylixen | !dd |
| 03:43.52 | dpkg | hmm... dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer |
| 03:43.56 | claudio_ | Miazmatic: I didn't need it when I set up entire disks with lvm2 |
| 03:44.05 | fuag | ok |
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| 03:44.17 | fuag | i'm sorry for buging you so much in the same day |
| 03:44.28 | Gnea | i'm not |
| 03:44.48 | Miazmatic | claudio_: well i vgcreate but then when i vgdisplay two seconds later it's notthere |
| 03:45.07 | claudio_ | hmm, strange |
| 03:45.16 | fuag | but how do i get alsa/arts working arts complains that there is no dev/dsp and alsa installs but the alsamixer command complains that "function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory" |
| 03:45.50 | fuag | i tried to check out my kernel config but it says I need ncurses-devel in order to use make menuconfig and there is no ncurses-devel package in apt-get |
| 03:45.57 | claudio_ | i thought pvcreate complained about partition tables in certain cases, but I never heard of the lack of persistence error |
| 03:46.09 | Miazmatic | claudio_: well i just did that |
| 03:46.13 | Miazmatic | let me go through the motions again |
| 03:46.27 | Miazmatic | okay |
| 03:46.33 | Miazmatic | so i pvcreate /dev/md0 |
| 03:46.46 | Miazmatic | and then when i run pvdisplay |
| 03:46.55 | Miazmatic | it shows it as being on /dev/sda |
| 03:47.02 | trave11er | fuag: libncurses5-dev |
| 03:47.10 | claudio_ | hmm |
| 03:47.21 | _cat | how to change konsole 's locale |
| 03:47.57 | claudio_ | LC_ALL=bla konsole? |
| 03:48.28 | abrotman | !tell Miazmatic about enter |
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| 03:49.41 | fuag | hmm.. is there anyway to use nvsound? |
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| 03:50.22 | Miazmatic | ~lvm2 |
| 03:50.25 | Miazmatic | !lvm2 |
| 03:52.03 | Miazmatic | yeah so i pvcreate /dev/md0 but somehow when i pvdisplay it shows /dev/sda... |
| 03:52.32 | Miazmatic | and then if i vgcreate sata /dev/md0 and then vgdisplay sata, it goes "Group sata does not exist" |
| 03:52.37 | ack1 | how do i open my cd drive? it doesnt eject... |
| 03:52.50 | claudio_ | strange, have you checked the lvm list archives? |
| 03:53.19 | claudio_ | ack1: is it mounted? |
| 03:54.14 | ack1 | yeah |
| 03:54.17 | Miazmatic | claudio_: no... these are brand new SATA drives in software RAID, maybe that is messing with it? |
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| 03:55.07 | Gnea | Miazmatic: it's all software raid? |
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| 03:55.37 | claudio_ | it's possible. I have lvm running on SATA disks, but it's on hardware raid. |
| 03:55.56 | Gnea | i wouldn't trust software raid... |
| 03:55.58 | chealer | fuag: what's your sound card? you can't get any sound? |
| 03:56.00 | brute_farse | does debian come with the most software out of linux distributions? |
| 03:56.00 | claudio_ | booom. firefox just exploded. |
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| 03:56.28 | Gnea | brute_farse: it comes with the most GPL'd software of all linux distributions. |
| 03:56.55 | brute_farse | lol, that could be like saying the most texans live in texas |
| 03:57.06 | Gnea | not quite. |
| 03:57.19 | ack1 | claudio, i have /cdrom, not mounted, not working. /mnt/auto/cdrom, mounted working and /DVD not mounted not working. they are all connected to /dev/scd0 |
| 03:57.34 | brute_farse | that's why it's a simile |
| 03:57.46 | Gnea | debian remains separate from other distributions *because* all of its software is covered under the GPL. If you want something under a different license, you have to install it yourself. |
| 03:58.04 | chealer | debian isn't entirely under the GPL |
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| 03:58.13 | Gnea | but similes aren't as fun as metaphors |
| 03:58.16 | maher | Gnea: not all the sw is gpl - its not all even gpl compatible |
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| 03:58.31 | claudio_ | ack1: who manages automounting? |
| 03:58.42 | Gnea | maher: the default install includes the main tree. contrib and non-free are optional. |
| 03:58.47 | ack1 | claudio, dont know.. |
| 03:58.58 | ack1 | claudio, hotplug??! |
| 03:59.00 | werdnaxoc | Does anyone know what type of computer operating systems are being used by the deep impact project, by nasa? |
| 03:59.11 | claudio_ | "not working" means "doesn't eject"? |
| 03:59.28 | mozo | :P |
| 03:59.31 | Gnea | werdnaxoc: they've been using linux for years |
| 03:59.35 | ack1 | caludion, no that means that it doesnt show the content of the cd rom in the cd. |
| 03:59.36 | claudio_ | werdnaxoc: my guess is vxworks |
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| 03:59.54 | maher | Gnea: even so - i'm sure there's stuff in main which is dfsg but not gpl compatible |
| 04:00.02 | claudio_ | werdnaxoc: in the probes, not ground control |
| 04:00.06 | Gnea | maher: you are wrong. it is 100% GPL. |
| 04:00.11 | brute_farse | Aren't all version of linux ultimately the same though in the end? I mean, you're just going to end up with the 2.6 kernel and either Gnome or KDE. |
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| 04:00.31 | zorton | what is the state of svgalib in sarge? I see the developemtn libraries and packages are listed as transitional |
| 04:00.38 | ke6isf | claudio_: amd is the quasi packae, I think; whoever runs that. |
| 04:01.00 | claudio_ | ack1: does eject /dev/scd0 work? |
| 04:01.00 | Gnea | maher: go ahead and look through the entire thing yourself, if you like. |
| 04:01.17 | chealer | brute_farse: linux is a kernel |
| 04:01.26 | brute_farse | hehe yes |
| 04:02.27 | chealer | Gnea: until recently, ony one component of "LAMP" was GPL |
| 04:02.36 | chealer | yet you can get a Debian LAMP |
| 04:03.03 | trave11er | definitely not all software in debian is gpl |
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| 04:03.37 | brute_farse | when I said versions I guess I meant to say what you call distributions |
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| 04:03.42 | mozo | Hi. Can anybody help me with my ps/2 mouse? I`d upgrated my system to kernel 2.6. since I installed this kernel, my mouse does not worked anymore.. |
| 04:03.44 | chealer | brute_farse: I guess |
| 04:03.49 | maher | Gnea: libsasl2 |
| 04:03.50 | Supaplex | how do I setup network installs to use pxe? |
| 04:03.57 | Supaplex | eg, with debian installer |
| 04:04.07 | chealer | brute_farse: but you'd still be wrong |
| 04:04.14 | claudio_ | trave11er: indeed. a good amount of lgpl/artistic/bsd/mit/pd stuff there as well |
| 04:04.21 | brute_farse | GNU/Linux is too much so I just say linux |
| 04:04.30 | chealer | mozo: did you read the sarge release notes? |
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| 04:04.33 | maher | Gnea: one of probably several hundred |
| 04:04.35 | spdf | So.. Which would you say could do a better job on 8.5gb tar of mp3s.... gzip or bzip? |
| 04:04.41 | mozo | chealer yes |
| 04:04.53 | chealer | brute_farse: strange. GNU would be shorter...at least in french |
| 04:05.01 | ke6isf | spdf: Yes. |
| 04:05.10 | maher | spdf: in my experience binary data like mp3's doesn't compress well - its probably not worth doing either one |
| 04:05.11 | Gnea | maher: just because the original might not be 100% GPL, doesn't mean that the package that you GET hasn't been modified to comply. |
| 04:05.11 | mozo | chealer my mouse appears to all "correctly" configured.. |
| 04:05.12 | claudio_ | spdf: you won't get much compression, i'd leave it as a plain tar |
| 04:05.14 | Supaplex | spdf: mp3 is a highly lossy codec, no compression is suggested. |
| 04:05.18 | chealer | !tell mozo about 2.6 mouse |
| 04:05.24 | maher | Gnea: you are totally wrong |
| 04:05.34 | brute_farse | whatever, I don't care if I'm not 100% precise. I'm just saying that's once you install everything gnome on debian and gnome on red hat is not much different |
| 04:05.37 | spdf | Yeh, it'll fit on a tape as it is.. |
| 04:05.40 | maher | spdf: mp3 / ogg is already highly compressed |
| 04:05.43 | Gnea | maher: for instance, look at the kernel source. you won't find a fully functioning tg3 or sk98lin with ANY debian kernel |
| 04:05.47 | mozo | chealer I`d added psmouse and mousedev to /etc/modules :) |
| 04:06.01 | chealer | Gnea: that's because they're non-free |
| 04:06.16 | chealer | I couldn't even find sk98lin's license downloading the drivers |
| 04:06.20 | maher | Gnea: non-free is different from non-gpl |
| 04:06.25 | Gnea | chealer: that's because they've been editted to comply with the debian policy |
| 04:06.44 | Gnea | chealer: it's on their website |
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| 04:06.47 | Gnea | i found it months ago |
| 04:06.48 | ack1 | claudio, thank you i found a unmount option, and then it works. it is a combined cd/dvd, and it seems as it mounts the rom differently depending on wither it is a dvd or a cd inside. |
| 04:06.51 | Draconicus | Um... I know this isn't the question to ask here, but I'm having trouble finding an answer. What's a good household tool to use for cutting plastic? Any ideas? |
| 04:07.02 | brute_farse | or is it that much different? you're expert, tell me |
| 04:07.04 | maher | Gnea: you are just wrong - read the copyright statements in /usr/share/doc |
| 04:07.11 | mozo | but still not work |
| 04:07.13 | claudio_ | brute_farse: you call me biased, but I'd say the OS infrastructure in debian is more reliable/robust |
| 04:07.24 | ke6isf | drac: A hacksaw, of course. |
| 04:07.26 | maher | Draconicus: a box cutter? |
| 04:07.28 | Draconicus | If it means anything, this is for a project that will ultimately lead to a Debian computer within a NES case. |
| 04:07.31 | chealer | Gnea: so you mean there's actually a free sk98lin driver in debian? |
| 04:07.32 | Draconicus | I don't have either of those. |
| 04:07.45 | ke6isf | Draconicus: Depends on what kind of plastic. |
| 04:07.47 | fuag | chealer: my sound card is nf7-S2g integrated sound |
| 04:07.47 | mozo | chealer i`d added this modules to /etc/modules at some time... but still does not work |
| 04:07.57 | Draconicus | ke6isl: NES plastic. :P |
| 04:07.58 | Gnea | maher: which copyright statements, specifically? point them out. you're spouting hot air. |
| 04:08.14 | ke6isf | As in the plastic on an 8-bit Nintendo? |
| 04:08.17 | spdf | Don't have a dremel? |
| 04:08.17 | Draconicus | Yes. |
| 04:08.22 | maher | Gnea: /usr/share/doc/libsasl2/copyright |
| 04:08.23 | fuag | with other linux distros i use intel8x0 or recently i found out about nvsound kernel module that has full hardware mixing support etc |
| 04:08.30 | Draconicus | No. I lack virtually any useful tool for this. |
| 04:08.32 | ke6isf | Dremel tool. |
| 04:08.41 | ke6isf | Lacking that, you won't be doing anything. |
| 04:08.41 | Gnea | chealer: indeed. it only supports certain cards. if you go and download the original source from the website, you will have full coverage - but under their license agreement. |
| 04:08.42 | brute_farse | What specifically do you think is best about debian/what makes it stand out as better? |
| 04:08.51 | maher | brute_farse: upgrade in place |
| 04:08.53 | Draconicus | brute_farse: Stability, and a package system. |
| 04:09.00 | fuag | alsaconf say sthere are no sound drivers available and amix says there is no snd/dsp |
| 04:09.00 | spdf | Draconicus, You should invest. They're handy.. |
| 04:09.11 | chealer | fuag: sorry, I don't know that one |
| 04:09.11 | Draconicus | spdf: I know. Are they fairly cheap? |
| 04:09.15 | ke6isf | brute_farse: Compared to Mandreck, just runs faster and doesn't run additional services for proprietary administrivia. |
| 04:09.33 | chealer | fuag: is your mobo an nforce? |
| 04:09.35 | Gnea | maher: yes, that provision falls within the guidelines of the GPL. that does not make me wrong. |
| 04:09.47 | hikaru79 | For some reason, I keep setting my resolution to 1152x864 in Debian, and it works fine, but when I restart, it has automagically reverted to 800x600 and I have to manually go and reset it back each time... anyone know what the problem is, off-hand? |
| 04:09.48 | fuag | chealer: yeah its an abit nf7-s2g |
| 04:09.58 | chealer | mozo: I didn't hit the issue myself, but the factoid also refers 2 URLs |
| 04:10.12 | chealer | fuag: what's the chipset? |
| 04:10.17 | maher | Gnea: when you say gpl do you mean dfsg? |
| 04:10.18 | fuag | chealer its the nf7 with the newer integrate sound and a gigabit ethernet port |
| 04:10.31 | spdf | Draconicus, They're not cheap, but they're not expensive either.. Depends on what you get with them (ie. bits, attachments) |
| 04:10.42 | Draconicus | Ah. |
| 04:10.44 | mdh | brute_farse: hardware support, number, breadth and quality of packages, 1000x easier to administrate |
| 04:10.47 | Draconicus | Well, I have no money at the moment. |
| 04:10.52 | Draconicus | I need a job. :P |
| 04:10.59 | mozo | chealer ok |
| 04:11.00 | mozo | :( |
| 04:11.03 | spdf | Draconicus, Cut some grass, buy a dremel |
| 04:11.08 | claudio_ | brute_farse: the whole development process and environment tends to produce software that is more reliable -- peer reviewing and extensive testing being among the reasons |
| 04:11.08 | brute_farse | it seems like all Distro's are pretty stable, so I personally favor things like special features and software that comes with it when deciding which linux is best |
| 04:11.10 | ke6isf | Draconicus: you're nucking futs. |
| 04:11.16 | mozo | thanks for you attention |
| 04:11.17 | fuag | chealer: nforce2 |
| 04:11.17 | mozo | :) |
| 04:11.27 | Draconicus | The little kind... The ones you use on a dinner plate. |
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| 04:11.36 | Gnea | maher: allow me to rephrase and self-correct - there are certain packages that have a slightly different licensing scheme than the GPL, yet through legal entities have their presence been modified to compatibility to be included within the main tree |
| 04:11.38 | brute_farse | oh mdh didn't read that |
| 04:11.40 | ke6isf | Draconicus: Dude, don't cut off your finger. |
| 04:11.45 | LeStat- | anyone know off hand where i might find a large transparent debian swirl logo? |
| 04:11.53 | brute_farse | * I didn't see that |
| 04:11.56 | maher | Gnea: wrong - openssl is in main but is gpl incompatible |
| 04:12.00 | claudio_ | brute_farse: don't tell anyone, but I work at a commercial linux distributor -- and things there are pretty scary |
| 04:12.04 | Draconicus | ke6isf: Fear not. I'd be worse off with the dull razor blade. |
| 04:12.14 | Gnea | maher: there is a legal precident that supports your claim? |
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| 04:12.19 | ke6isf | Draconicus: oy vey... =O.o= |
| 04:12.22 | brute_farse | explain |
| 04:12.29 | maher | Gnea: of course not |
| 04:12.34 | Gnea | maher: then STFU |
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| 04:12.41 | maher | Gnea: you dumbass |
| 04:12.49 | Draconicus | ke6isf: I'm a 16-year old with an impending job and no money. I'm the oldest male in the house. What do you want from me? |
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| 04:13.10 | Gnea | maher: idiot, if it wasn't compatible then why did you state that it isn't without backing it up? |
| 04:13.21 | maher | Gnea: is there a legal precedent saying the gpl is enforcable in the us? |
| 04:13.34 | ke6isf | Draconicus: Well, cleverness, frankly. If you can't cut it safely, don't; wait for the impending job, buy your dremel, then go to town. Patience is underrated, young grasshopper. |
| 04:13.41 | Gnea | maher: i asked you first. the ball is in your court. it just hit the net on your side. |
| 04:13.44 | buu | maher: 100 years of copyright laws? |
| 04:13.52 | maher | Gnea: its incompatible becase the conditions conflict with the gpl - read the discussion od debian-legal |
| 04:13.56 | Supaplex | !fight Draconicus Gnea and maher to start |
| 04:14.03 | Draconicus | ke6isf: But the NES 'puter is so tempting... :( |
| 04:14.06 | chealer | Gnea: this is becoming a bad joke. either stop it, or you really have to read about the DFSG, mozilla, apache, php, etc, etc, etc. |
| 04:14.11 | Gnea | maher: and what is your profession? are you a lawyer? |
| 04:14.14 | brute_farse | So gpl stands for: "Gnu is not unix public license" ? |
| 04:14.15 | maher | Gnea: find me a legal case showing the gpl is enforceable in the us |
| 04:14.23 | spdf | Draconicus, What part are you trying to hack up? |
| 04:14.26 | Gnea | chealer: i've already covered those bases. |
| 04:14.27 | prodope | how do i unmount a floppy? i keep getting: umount: /floppy: device is busy, but nothing is using it |
| 04:14.43 | Guerin | brute_farse: no, it's actually the GNU GPL - the GNU General Public License |
| 04:14.44 | Supaplex | prodope: with umount |
| 04:14.45 | ke6isf | brute_farse: It's actually General Public License, IIRC. |
| 04:14.47 | LeStat- | nm found one |
| 04:14.48 | Gnea | maher: i don't have to. |
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| 04:14.50 | maher | Gnea: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/10/msg00113.html |
| 04:14.50 | spdf | Draconicus, What kind of mobo are you using? |
| 04:14.52 | ke6isf | gah, Guerin beat me to it. |
| 04:14.54 | brute_farse | oh |
| 04:14.57 | prodope | Supaplex: umount is giving me that error |
| 04:15.01 | chealer | Gnea: ok...so how is apache2 under the GPL, or GPL compatible? |
| 04:15.02 | Gnea | oh, a url |
| 04:15.09 | brute_farse | that sounds better ke6isf |
| 04:15.11 | Supaplex | prodope: use lsof to see why |
| 04:15.11 | Guerin | A: it's not. |
| 04:15.17 | Draconicus | spdf: Let's take this to a PM. It's off topic. |
| 04:15.19 | chealer | !beer Guerin |
| 04:15.30 | ke6isf | prodope: are you in the directory that constitutes the mount point? |
| 04:15.37 | Guerin | it MIGHT be compatible with gplv3, IF there's a similar patent clause |
| 04:15.38 | prodope | ke6isf: no |
| 04:15.38 | Gnea | chealer: apache has its own license, they went through this whole thing quite awhile back debating over it (i recall this) and eventually came to an agreement |
| 04:15.40 | maher | Gnea: software in main has to meet the debian free software guidelines - the gpl is an example of a license which does - as does the openssl license but the two licenses are incomptible |
| 04:15.41 | Guerin | but not gplv2 |
| 04:16.03 | chealer | Gnea: and apache is in debian |
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| 04:16.13 | ke6isf | prodope: Are you positive of this? It's an easy overlook - other terminals and all that. |
| 04:16.19 | claudio_ | brute_farse: in debian you have a solid policy that sets the minimum acceptable quality level for that piece of software. when you start at development, you have someone that reviews your packages to check if they're ok. you have a good amount of helper tools. that enviroment and process generates good packages |
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| 04:16.43 | Gnea | so what you're saying is that Debian is not, in fact, a GNU GPL-based Linux distribution? |
| 04:16.57 | ke6isf | prodope: Also try 'sync'; could be data in the buffer yet. |
| 04:16.58 | Guerin | no |
| 04:17.02 | brute_farse | Do you need a fast internet to install GNOME from ftp like gentoo or BSD? |
| 04:17.08 | Guerin | it's a free software based distribution |
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| 04:17.12 | chealer | Gnea: no, it's based on the DFSG |
| 04:17.14 | mdh | Gnea: Debian is a DFSG based Linux distribution |
| 04:17.19 | Gnea | thank you |
| 04:17.20 | Guerin | brute_farse: it sure helps. Unless you have the cds. |
| 04:17.29 | ke6isf | brute_farse: Not if you don't mind starting the install before you sleep. |
| 04:17.32 | maher | Gnea: debain uses the debian free software guidelines as its standard of freeness - in so far as the developers understand / agree on what the dfsg means - the ultimate decision makers are the ftp masters |
| 04:17.43 | mdh | !debain |
| 04:17.43 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 04:17.45 | mozo | Hi. Can anybody help me with my ps/2 mouse? I`d upgrated my system to kernel 2.6. since I installed this kernel, my mouse does not worked anymore.. |
| 04:17.56 | Guerin | mozo: modprobe psmouse |
| 04:17.57 | maher | mdh: thank you |
| 04:17.59 | claudio_ | brute_farse: that's not what you see in some other distributions, where you can have arbitrary changes to core packages that get distributed without proper reviewing |
| 04:18.02 | Draconicus | spdf: Are you acknowledging the query window? |
| 04:18.17 | mozo | Guerin i already typed it |
| 04:18.18 | fuag | anyone have any insights on how to get nforce2 alsa or arts working..l preferably alsa? |
| 04:18.25 | mozo | Guerin still not work |
| 04:18.27 | chealer | fuag: yep, AFAIK, intel8x0 should work for nforce2 mobos. you said you have no sound a all, right? |
| 04:18.32 | Lee__ | !tell fuag about alsa |
| 04:18.34 | Guerin | !drxx mozo |
| 04:18.36 | dpkg | mozo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 04:18.37 | Gnea | maher: and the bottom line is that the software within the Debian main trunk becomes GPL-compatible under the DSFG, but only within that trunk. outside it's a whole different ballpark. |
| 04:18.44 | brute_farse | the problem is that I want to use a wireless usb 802.11b adapter for networking but linux is crappy with wireless so I have no internet on my computer unless I invade somebody else's office in my house |
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| 04:18.54 | Guerin | mozo: select either /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice |
| 04:18.58 | mozo | hm |
| 04:19.00 | maher | Gnea: dfsg != gpl compatible |
| 04:19.02 | trave11er | Gnea: you are mistaken |
| 04:19.02 | Lee__ | man, ATI drivers and a 2.6.12 kernel sure are disapointing. |
| 04:19.16 | mozo | Guerin all appears perfectly configured |
| 04:19.18 | Gnea | it all falls under the umbrella |
| 04:19.20 | colera | brute_farse: linux isn't crappy with wireless |
| 04:19.23 | Gnea | it's like being american |
| 04:19.25 | Guerin | Gnea: no, it does not. |
| 04:19.26 | chealer | non-free drivers? how is that new? |
| 04:19.26 | davem | brute_farse: Linux is great with wifi, chip makers are crappy with their specs. |
| 04:19.29 | Lee__ | Linux is crappy with wireless. |
| 04:19.37 | mozo | I tested with /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice |
| 04:19.49 | Lee__ | chipset manufacturers are crappier. |
| 04:19.54 | mozo | nothing worked.. |
| 04:20.01 | mdh | Gnea: its nothing like being an american. the whole world doesn't hate Debian. |
| 04:20.15 | Guerin | Gnea: just th be clear: there are some kinds of free software which are not gpl-compatible. They're still dfsg-compliant, they're still in debian, but they're NOT GPL COMPATIBLE. |
| 04:20.16 | Gnea | mdh: the whole world doesn't love it either. |
| 04:20.29 | liable | mozo: have you peviously hand edited the file? |
| 04:20.30 | Nurbs_ | Lee__: what's your problem with ATI on 2.6.12? doesn't really work here (display stays blank after X restart, DRI doesn't work, hence no OpenGL either) *sigh* |
| 04:20.35 | Draconicus | spdf: I thought you had interest in the project itself. Sorry to bother you. |
| 04:20.37 | Gnea | THEN THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME |
| 04:20.41 | brute_farse | well, linux will work with wireless only if you're using the most standard pci chipset there is |
| 04:20.43 | davem | Everybody loves america |
| 04:20.47 | Guerin | Gnea: YOU'RE WELCOME |
| 04:20.51 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:20.53 | brute_farse | linux is behind in some ways |
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| 04:21.03 | Draconicus | davem: You are rather incorrect. I dislike this country largely. |
| 04:21.07 | Gnea | brute_farse: behind *what*? |
| 04:21.23 | Guerin | buu: don't blame linux - blame hardware manufacturers who don't release spec and drivers. |
| 04:21.28 | davem | America rocks, just stay out of the middle part. |
| 04:21.28 | maher | brute_farse: what wireless card/chipset do you have |
| 04:21.33 | Guerin | brute_farse: ^^^6 |
| 04:21.33 | chealer | brute_farse: or if you provide specifications? |
| 04:21.34 | colera | brute_farse: linux is ahead because it's user base is made up of the computing elite |
| 04:21.43 | Gnea | davem: hahaha |
| 04:21.43 | Draconicus | Yeek. |
| 04:21.45 | brute_farse | behind bsd, mac |
| 04:21.58 | ke6isf | ALL HARDWARE SUCKS. ALL SOFTWARE SUCKS. ALL DISTROS SUCK. ED IS THE STANDARD EDITOR. |
| 04:22.00 | fuag | chealer: yeah... i guess I'll do it manually, does it matter a whole lot if i compile it into the kernel I know which ones to use, or is it better with debian if I use modules.. never used an auto configurer before for the kernel so not sure how it determines what modules to load and whatnot |
| 04:22.02 | Lee__ | for the record, a kernel built with make-kpkg and ATI drivers will not work. Just thought I'd mention it while you fight about how cool Linux is. |
| 04:22.06 | _cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.11 | Gnea | !beer ke6isf |
| 04:22.15 | Guerin | colera: man lftp |
| 04:22.19 | fuag | !beer fuag |
| 04:22.22 | chealer | linux is behind BSD for wireless support :? |
| 04:22.26 | mdh | ke6isf: you scored 25% on that exam. please try again next semester. |
| 04:22.26 | ke6isf | !beer Gnea |
| 04:22.30 | fuag | yay |
| 04:22.32 | Lee__ | ha ha, you got Yuengling |
| 04:22.34 | Gnea | gracias |
| 04:22.37 | brute_farse | well OpenBSD just kicks all |
| 04:22.40 | ke6isf | !beer mdh |
| 04:22.53 | transgress | hmm |
| 04:22.53 | fuag | dpkg is cool |
| 04:22.58 | claudio_ | ke6isf: ed is for weenies. real men use cat. |
| 04:22.59 | Lee__ | !start an os war |
| 04:22.59 | dpkg | VMS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 04:23.04 | Gnea | brute_farse: openbsd is even more behind, it supports LESS hardware |
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| 04:23.21 | jdhutchin1 | brute_farse, this is #debian, not slashdot |
| 04:23.30 | Gnea | hrm |
| 04:23.32 | Gnea | good point |
| 04:23.35 | davem | lol |
| 04:23.37 | foobus | is there like a OS war every evening? |
| 04:23.38 | chealer | fuag: what's an auto configurer? really, don't compile a kernel if you already have problems. nforce2 sound should work on (at least) 2.6 stock kernels |
| 04:23.55 | ke6isf | claudio_: Bah, real programmers don't use a language, they use machine code. |
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| 04:24.15 | foobus | EcOS all the way! |
| 04:24.24 | jdhutchin1 | ke6isf, real programmers solder the program into the eprom chips themselves |
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| 04:24.41 | davem | Real programmers blow their own tubes. |
| 04:24.50 | foobus | regularly |
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| 04:25.09 | claudio_ | ke6isf: machine code? luxury! in my time we used to wave magnets around magnetic core memory... and we liked it! |
| 04:25.11 | fuag | chealer: like cold plug or whatever... its strange I can set up a kernel perfectly in gentoo but for some reason sarge stumps me.. things are in different directorys and files etc... >< |
| 04:25.16 | syntrx | Real programmers make their own glass for their own tubes out of sand they dig up themselves |
| 04:25.21 | hikaru79 | For some reason, I keep setting my resolution to 1152x864 in Debian, and it works fine, but when I restart, it has automagically reverted to 800x600 and I have to manually go and reset it back each time... anyone know what the problem is, off-hand? |
| 04:25.24 | fuag | chealer or hotplug whatever its called :P |
| 04:25.26 | brute_farse | no, but it's funny to think about a war being faught with text, on IRC, over the internet, in packets |
| 04:25.27 | pedro420 | Does anyone know either where I can find info about how to write a sane backend, or where I can look at one and act like I know how to write one? |
| 04:25.34 | maher | brute_farse: what wireless card/chipset do you have |
| 04:25.40 | ke6isf | Real programmers forgo the electrical computers, and use water-based transistors to get the effect. |
| 04:25.42 | Gnea | brute_farse: how is it funny? |
| 04:26.04 | Gnea | brute_farse: because we're all reacting to what's going on in places such as iraq? |
| 04:26.05 | maher | pedro420: back end for what? |
| 04:26.09 | brute_farse | to think of war in writing? you don't think that's kind of amusing? |
| 04:26.14 | claudio_ | ke6isf: and real bit buckets! |
| 04:26.17 | pedro420 | maher: my unsupported scanner. |
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| 04:26.26 | ke6isf | claudio_: Yes! |
| 04:26.29 | ke6isf | !beer claudio_ |
| 04:26.36 | claudio_ | lol |
| 04:26.46 | brute_farse | yeah |
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| 04:26.50 | maher | pedro420: umm... that might be tricky - you can look at the source for the backe ends of the supported scanners... |
| 04:27.02 | claudio_ | just watch out for memory leaks |
| 04:27.10 | mdh | ooh, a Guiness |
| 04:27.15 | brute_farse | ironic thing to say |
| 04:27.20 | maher | pedro420: if its not supported its probably because the manufacturer didn't release any specs... |
| 04:27.24 | mdh | !win ke6isf |
| 04:27.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, ke6isf! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 04:27.26 | brute_farse | not even ironic though |
| 04:27.37 | blasphemy | Hi guys i am at the partitioning screen of an install of linux and am kind of confused about what to click on , i would like to still keep windows,,, SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda)-200.0GB ATA ST3200822AS #2 Primary 4.4GB fat32 #1 Primary 195.7GB ntfs................SCSI2(0,0,0)(sdb)-200.0GB ATA ST3200822AS #5 logical 200.0GB........Is it SCSI2?? I have "Configure software RAID", "Configure the Logical Volume Manager", "Guided partitioning" & "Help on p |
| 04:27.43 | enveezee | maher: heh, I figure. |
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| 04:27.54 | ke6isf | Holy smokes! Now I can armor my windows at home! =^^= |
| 04:27.59 | ke6isf | Thanks, mdh! =^_^= |
| 04:28.17 | nevyn | blasphemy: you have a sata disk? |
| 04:28.30 | nevyn | blasphemy: and you've assigned the full size of the disk to windows. |
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| 04:29.41 | enveezee | maher: I posted on d-u@l.d.o and s-d@l.a.d.o and so far all I got was two replies. one said there is another HP scanner with the same chipset which also appears to not be supported, and the other was from Henning Meier-Geinitz who seems to have worked on various USB and Scanner drivers in the kernel and also written many backends.. he took the lengthy report I gave and submitted the info to the sane-project.. said I should start writing |
| 04:29.45 | blasphemy | I guess what i'm asking is, i can do whatever to SCSI2, and it doesn't effect windows, right??? i am just paranoid about |
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| 04:30.09 | liable | yes |
| 04:30.16 | enveezee | foobus: sure it can.. doesnt mean its a good idea :P |
| 04:30.28 | maher | blasphemy: you have two sata discs? windows is one 1 and 2 is blank? install on 2 |
| 04:30.44 | maher | enveezee: you can buy a supported hp scanner for < $100 |
| 04:30.51 | chealer | !ntfs resize |
| 04:30.51 | dpkg | [ntfs resize] http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html |
| 04:31.07 | foobus | I was told to NOT boot windows, to resize it before the first boot when it is still vfat. |
| 04:31.14 | karsten | foobus: Yes, it can be. |
| 04:31.34 | blasphemy | That seems like too much confusion for me but thanks anyway guys , whats with the #primary2 & #primary1 |
| 04:31.40 | enveezee | maher: she borrowed this off her mother.. her b/f just wants to scan a few pics of the kid for a website for the relatives out of state.. not something they are going to budget for. |
| 04:31.49 | karsten | How big a deal are relatively frequent SMTP timeouts from one's ISP smarthost? Eg: 2005-06-30 09:05:39 1Do1O2-0006dU-00 SMTP timeout while connected to smtpauth.earthlink.net [207.69.189.205] after end of data (9338 bytes written): Connection timed out |
| 04:32.09 | fuag | um... |
| 04:32.16 | fuag | how come it wont let me make my kernel? |
| 04:32.19 | maher | enveezee: writing a back end is going to be a bunch of work - particularly if you have to reverse engineer the protocol |
| 04:32.26 | fuag | im in /usr/src/linux have enabled the right sound card driver |
| 04:32.27 | fuag | then I run a |
| 04:32.35 | fuag | make && make modules_install |
| 04:32.37 | enveezee | maher: I've gone this far I dont know crap about sane, but I figure the most a "sane backend" could be is a file containing specific info like the dimensions and resolution, color depth, speed, transfer rate.. blah blah blah |
| 04:32.37 | karsten | !tell fuag about smart questions |
| 04:32.46 | karsten | fuag: ... as root? |
| 04:32.55 | maher | enveezee: apt-get source sane - look at th ebackends |
| 04:33.08 | fuag | and it says no rule to make targe 'init/main.o', needed by 'init/built-in.o' |
| 04:33.12 | fuag | yeah |
| 04:33.28 | foobus | blasphemy, the 4.4G section might be your "restore to factory condition" (er, Compaq tech?) partition |
| 04:33.40 | blasphemy | Yeah ! |
| 04:33.44 | enveezee | maher: I am looking at the doc/backend-writing.txt I just found on sane-project.org at the moment. I may look for an existing backend later for the same chipset if one exists |
| 04:33.44 | blasphemy | I do have that |
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| 04:34.07 | chealer | !tell fuag about kp |
| 04:34.24 | maher | enveezee: the backends are in libsane |
| 04:34.28 | blasphemy | But 195.7GB ?????? i have about 50GB of stuff on here, why is it so close to the original 200.0?? |
| 04:34.42 | karsten | fuag: ... what chealer said. |
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| 04:34.58 | maher | blasphemy: that's the size of the partition |
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| 04:35.10 | mdh | blasphemy: some people aren't able to count in binary, therefore their numbers are smaller |
| 04:35.11 | blasphemy | Ohhh |
| 04:35.21 | mdh | blasphemy: eg, they use 1000 instead of 1024 |
| 04:35.25 | enveezee | maher: besides, pedro is suppose to be a hacker.. he just hasnt applied himself. I need to get him busy :P |
| 04:35.39 | dh0 | is there a non-destructive partitioning tool? or are they inherantly destructive. |
| 04:35.40 | maher | enveezee: that's the spirit... |
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| 04:35.55 | maher | dh0: parted / qparted |
| 04:36.00 | enveezee | maher: he went to tech school to learn programming and hasnt hacked a line of code outside school |
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| 04:36.07 | blasphemy | So #5 logical 200.0GB ntfs |
| 04:36.12 | blasphemy | I am changing to , what? |
| 04:36.15 | dh0 | maher, thanks |
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| 04:36.21 | karsten | dh0: There are nondestructive partitioning tools. Except when they're not. |
| 04:36.41 | maher | blasphemy: can you select it? |
| 04:36.52 | blasphemy | On the partition screen? sure.. |
| 04:36.53 | karsten | dh0: Making backups is very strongly recommended. Losing all your data w/o backups will require us to laugh at you. |
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| 04:37.02 | dh0 | karsten: okay. thanks |
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| 04:37.31 | foobus | all the gui versions laughed at me and said "go home CLItus" |
| 04:37.33 | karsten | dh0: Silly things like a power-out in the middle of your system repartitioning can be very un-fun. |
| 04:37.34 | blasphemy | But i don't understand the options i have, "configure software RAID", "Configure the logical volume manager", "guided partitioning ", "help on partitioning" |
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| 04:37.57 | blasphemy | It is confusing :S |
| 04:37.57 | dh0 | karsten: yeah understandably |
| 04:38.21 | claudio_ | ok, time to get some sleep. cya |
| 04:38.22 | maher | blasphemy: can you use the arrow keys to select a partition from the list? |
| 04:38.28 | Tabitha | hi all.. I'm trying to hold packages on sarge using echo <pkgname> hold | dpkg --set-selections however when I run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade, I'm still prompted to upgrade the packages. Has the hold procedure changed for sarge from woody? |
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| 04:39.17 | blasphemy | You mean scroll between #2primary #1primary on the first hard drive, and 5#logical on the second harddrive?? sure... |
| 04:39.37 | enveezee | claudio_: how about not using public away messages in here, its a high-volume channel.. that way we can pretend you arent here too |
| 04:39.47 | maher | blasphemy: try highlighting 5 on 2 and press return |
| 04:40.29 | blasphemy | Cool, so i will be ok with that ?? I guess i am paranoid, theirs no way that if something happens [for whatever reason] windows won't boot on startup?? |
| 04:40.32 | ack1 | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stable_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 04:40.57 | ack1 | I get that error whenever i try to do a apt-get, do you know what could be the issue?? |
| 04:41.36 | foobus | ack1, you might want to reset your access method |
| 04:41.44 | Tabitha | # echo postfix-doc hold | dpkg --set-selections (et. al), The following packages will be upgraded: postfix postfix-doc postfix-ldap postfix-mysql postfix-pcre postfix-tls |
| 04:41.49 | blasphemy | Considering XP is on SCSI1, and i will have pressed enter on SCI2 |
| 04:41.57 | blasphemy | *SCSI2 |
| 04:42.07 | maher | Tabitha: works for mw |
| 04:42.21 | hikaru79 | Is sid usable at the moment? If it is upgraded to from a sarge installation? |
| 04:42.26 | Tabitha | so odd... |
| 04:42.32 | maher | blasphemy: if you feel paranoid make a backup |
| 04:42.34 | Tabitha | is there a way to list held packages? |
| 04:42.40 | Tabitha | perhaps it's not taking? |
| 04:42.49 | maher | Tabitha: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold |
| 04:42.50 | blasphemy | Hey maher, cool idea |
| 04:42.58 | blasphemy | I will look into it, thanks |
| 04:43.16 | blasphemy | Oh sod it , i go for it anyway :-) |
| 04:43.22 | blasphemy | Thanks guys |
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| 04:43.40 | Tabitha | # dpkg --get-selections | grep hold postfix hold postfix-doc hold postfix-ldap hold postfix-mysql hold postfix-pcre hold postfix-tls hold |
| 04:43.52 | ack1 | foobus, how do i reset my access method? |
| 04:43.52 | maher | ack1: try apt-get update |
| 04:44.09 | maher | ack1: apt-setup |
| 04:44.36 | ack1 | maher, im doing apt-get update. so ill se what happerns. ty |
| 04:45.47 | foobus | yeah, blasphemous, I tell ye. |
| 04:46.32 | Tabitha | hmm.. now if I use apt-get update/upgrade it'll say the packages are held.. perhaps aptitude needs something else to hold packages? |
| 04:46.38 | hikaru79 | For some reason, I keep setting my resolution to 1152x864 in Debian, and it works fine, but when I restart, it has automagically reverted to 800x600 and I have to manually go and reset it back each time... anyone know what the problem is, off-hand? |
| 04:47.01 | Tabitha | oh lookie. aptitude hold <pkgname> |
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| 04:47.54 | Tabitha | yup, that's it. Perhaps /msg dpkg hold should be updated |
| 04:48.02 | enveezee | oh well, I am going to get my clone out of here |
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| 04:48.11 | Tabitha | aptitude appears to require aptitude hold <pkgname> |
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| 04:48.44 | rpmx | hi o/ |
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| 04:49.30 | foobus | sorry apt |
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| 04:50.18 | rpmx | I have carpet /var/www/web www-data.www-data 755 and users access for ssh , How I can all update files from per other users in/var/www/web ? |
| 04:50.28 | foobus | what's that /msg dpkg command that compares the various package tools? |
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| 04:50.53 | Neoalex | how do I upgrade from woody to sarge |
| 04:51.05 | Guerin | Neoalex: we told you about this already |
| 04:51.18 | foobus | cache flush |
| 04:51.21 | Neoalex | man... never thought you'd remeber |
| 04:51.29 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:51.34 | Tabitha | Neoalex: Try http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 04:51.48 | rpmx | if user support update files in /var/www/web |
| 04:52.03 | mozo | Hi. Can anybody help me with my ps/2 mouse? I`d upgrated my system to kernel 2.6. since I installed this kernel, my mouse does not worked anymore.. |
| 04:52.09 | rpmx | change permissions in web carpet |
| 04:52.17 | ack1 | can i check if my configuration supports opengl?? |
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| 04:52.32 | foobus | mozo: modprobe psmouse, maybe? |
| 04:52.49 | mozo | foobus the module already loaded |
| 04:52.53 | Neoalex | how do I ask dpkg, because it gave me a pretty good solution |
| 04:53.15 | Neoalex | I just could not install that atitude thing (now I forgot how it's called too) |
| 04:53.17 | mozo | foobus mousedev too |
| 04:53.44 | Tabitha | Neoalex: The release notes are very detailed in terms of upgrading. I did it quite successfully and I'm hardly a guru. |
| 04:53.55 | liable | mozo: have you at some stage hand edited your xfree config file? |
| 04:54.02 | nevyn | Neoalex: aptitude? |
| 04:54.10 | mozo | foobus in the x, are pointed to /dev/psaux |
| 04:54.21 | ack1 | or if i can run 3D? |
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| 04:54.57 | mozo | yes. my xfree config file was be reconfigured for various times |
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| 04:55.21 | mozo | aways maintaining the mouse pointed to /dev/psaux |
| 04:55.39 | tvn | accel: glxinfo | grep "dri" |
| 04:55.48 | foobus | mozo, did you edit /etc/X11/XF86blah by hand or use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 04:55.52 | liable | mozo: look in the actually file itself, and see what it says for your mouse. |
| 04:56.10 | liable | *actuall |
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| 04:56.42 | mozo | foobus yes |
| 04:56.51 | foobus | both, eh... |
| 04:56.58 | mozo | foobus when I restart my PC with kernel 2.4, my mouse work normaly |
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| 04:57.13 | foobus | oh |
| 04:57.16 | Gnea | man |
| 04:57.31 | Gnea | gotta wait almost a whole day for the impact |
| 04:57.32 | mozo | liable the file appears as all correct.. |
| 04:57.47 | rpmx | I have carpet /var/www/web www-data.www-data 755 and users access for ssh , How they can update files in /var/www/web maintnace permissions? |
| 04:57.47 | rpmx | if user support update files in /var/www/web change permissions files in /var/www/web carpet to support.www-data |
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| 04:58.29 | maher | rpmx: chown -R user:group * |
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| 04:59.56 | Gnea | oh waitasec |
| 05:00.00 | Gnea | it's gonna hit in an hour |
| 05:00.05 | hikaru79 | For some reason, I keep setting my resolution to 1152x864 in Debian, and it works fine, but when I restart, it has automagically reverted to 800x600 and I have to manually go and reset it back each time... anyone know what the problem is, off-hand? |
| 05:00.10 | liable | mozo: is evdev loaded? |
| 05:00.29 | mozo | foobus Have I that set any permission type to /dev/psaux? If whes, what? |
| 05:00.31 | mozo | hm |
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| 05:00.36 | maher | hikaru79: how do you change it? |
| 05:00.36 | mozo | liable no |
| 05:00.51 | rpmx | mahher, I dont want use chown, without crontab |
| 05:00.54 | liable | mozo: try modprobing that. |
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| 05:01.08 | mozo | liable what the kernel option i have to set "Y" to compile the evdev.o? |
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| 05:01.19 | mozo | i`d tried to modprobing evdev |
| 05:01.26 | hikaru79 | maher, from the "Screen Resolution" dialog in Gnome, although it is also set in the Xserver conf file. |
| 05:01.34 | mozo | but the modprob can`t probe the evdev |
| 05:01.41 | hikaru79 | But it doesn't seem to care about the conf file, it goes to 800x600 by default =/ |
| 05:01.48 | liable | mozo: oh, you have compiled a kernel? |
| 05:02.06 | liable | mozo: install a debian kernel and see if it works then. |
| 05:02.16 | foobus | !tell hikaru79 about drxx |
| 05:02.22 | Wyzard | hikaru79: Check your monitor sync frequencies specified in your XF86Config... X will ignore video modes it thinks your monitor can't support |
| 05:02.22 | mozo | yes liable |
| 05:02.39 | mozo | liable hm.. but the debian kernel says this problem too |
| 05:02.52 | hikaru79 | Wyzard, but the monitor sync frequencies are obviously okay if I CAN get the right resolution, I just have to set it manually |
| 05:02.54 | maher | rpmx: so you have a file owned by www-data:www-data ? |
| 05:03.05 | hikaru79 | foobus, the problem isn't getting the resolution to work, the problem is getting the resolution to be the default |
| 05:03.19 | Wyzard | hikaru79: ah, nm then... I just joined and missed your original question |
| 05:03.32 | hikaru79 | I can get 1152x864 no problem, just go to "Desktop Preferences -> Screen Resolution", but it will go back to 800x600 upon a reboot =/ |
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| 05:03.49 | hikaru79 | Its not really a show-stopper, but a bit annoying to have to set resolution whenever I turn my comp on |
| 05:04.09 | maher | hikaru79: sorry - dunno - i don't use gnome |
| 05:04.10 | liable | mozo: well, boot it and try modprobe evdev. /msg/dpkg/2.6 mouse and check the links |
| 05:04.19 | hikaru79 | Kay =/ Thanks anyway. |
| 05:04.22 | mozo | liable hmm.. I changed any parameters in the kernel config, I think that the evdev will be compiled |
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| 05:04.46 | liable | gah /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 05:04.54 | mozo | liable hey, the evdev.o was be compiled :D |
| 05:05.03 | mozo | i will install this modules and test |
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| 05:05.34 | Jeaton | Can I bother you into looking for Conexant HSF modem drivers for Linux 2.6 kernel ( preferabbly a .deb file .rpm didnt convert right :( ) and make sure it was legally modified and only modified the modules published under the gpl liscense=gpl |
| 05:05.43 | foobus | hikaru79, did you say the default in XF86Config-4 is correct? |
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| 05:06.18 | hikaru79 | foobus, yes, I believe so |
| 05:06.32 | hikaru79 | 1152x864 is listed for each color mode |
| 05:06.53 | rpmx | maher: In this moment yes I have owner www-data:www-data but tomorrow disegn update files in the web |
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| 05:07.17 | maher | rpmx: files should be owned by www-data unless you need the webserver to alter them |
| 05:07.29 | rpmx | I have again chown www-data:www-data /var/www/web/ -R |
| 05:07.45 | maher | rpmx: i guess i don't understand what the problem is |
| 05:08.31 | hikaru79 | So, foobus, any other ideas? =/ |
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| 05:09.06 | foobus | nope |
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| 05:10.11 | infinity2 | how can i figure out what version of pci my motherboard supports using a utility like lspci? |
| 05:10.21 | Guerin | Jeaton: good luck with that |
| 05:10.27 | Guerin | !tardware |
| 05:10.28 | dpkg | [tardware] the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>. |
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| 05:10.40 | liable | hikaru79: thats weird, try poking around in your desktop menus, I reckon you need to save the settings or something. |
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| 05:10.59 | hikaru79 | Hmm.. okay. So the general consensus is that this is a gnome issue, not an XServer issue? |
| 05:11.06 | liable | hikaru79: what wm? |
| 05:11.12 | foobus | oooh. Save session on exit, maybe? |
| 05:11.13 | hikaru79 | Gnome |
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| 05:11.16 | hikaru79 | Hmm |
| 05:11.20 | hikaru79 | Good point, good point |
| 05:11.23 | Jeaton | Guerin - what about the supprted by? |
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| 05:11.25 | Jeaton | ;) |
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| 05:11.51 | Guerin | Jeaton: ask dpkg about it |
| 05:12.19 | Jeaton | Guerin - i was just kidding, anyway, ill relay that to the guy who was asking about it. |
| 05:12.23 | Jeaton | lol |
| 05:12.25 | sean_micken | what's the difference between x-window-system-core and x-window-system? |
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| 05:13.30 | Guerin | sean_micken: look at the depends - apt-cache depends <package> |
| 05:13.51 | mangux | sean_micken apt-cache show x-window-system-core |
| 05:14.04 | mangux | and read the description |
| 05:14.18 | glasse | Hey, could someone brief me on the state of glade-2, glade, glade-gnome, glade-gnome-2, libglade-gnome0, libglade0, and libglade2-0, specifically, what the differences are between glade-gnome and glade? |
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| 05:14.38 | Guerin | glasse: you can do what sean_micken has just been told to |
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| 05:14.50 | sean_micken | Guerin: okay... is installing XFS really necessary? |
| 05:15.03 | Guerin | sean_micken: pretty much. Why wouldn't you? |
| 05:15.13 | caphuso | sean_micken: no |
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| 05:15.37 | sean_micken | Guerin: why would i? |
| 05:15.48 | Guerin | sean_micken: you like shiny-looking fonts? |
| 05:15.53 | caphuso | Guerin: it's safe to assume that someone unable to find out the differences between x-w-s and x-w-s-c doesn't use a centralized font repository for his network |
| 05:16.04 | Guerin | caphuso: i guess that's true. |
| 05:16.07 | sean_micken | Guerin: afaik, XFS doesn't change how the fonts are rendered. |
| 05:16.31 | Guerin | oh, it's the server, not the renderer, you're right |
| 05:16.48 | sean_micken | neat. you can have a central repo for fonts huh. |
| 05:16.50 | sean_micken | cool. |
| 05:17.23 | glasse | Guerin: Descriptions for glade and glade-2 are nearly identical; see http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/glade and http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/glade-2 |
| 05:17.30 | caphuso | you could. but nowadays, with that fontconfig crap all over the place, not so much anymore |
| 05:17.41 | Gnea | hey guys, is anyone paying attention to what NASA's doing right now? |
| 05:17.58 | dh0 | can i use parted from single user mode to resize / ? |
| 05:18.14 | sean_micken | i need to change the hostname of my machine, how do i go about doing that? |
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| 05:18.24 | dh0 | /etc/hostname i think |
| 05:18.29 | Gnea | sean_micken: hostname <newhostname> |
| 05:18.34 | Gnea | sean_micken: hostname > /etc/hostname |
| 05:18.34 | Supaplex | Gnea: you mean any of us, or anyone period? |
| 05:18.38 | Gnea | sean_micken: in that order |
| 05:18.43 | transgress | a real mans file system would though |
| 05:18.46 | Gnea | Supaplex: yeah |
| 05:18.54 | sean_micken | ok |
| 05:19.01 | sean_micken | and /etc/hosts, right? |
| 05:19.02 | sep | sean_micken: edit /etc/hostname, also sane to edit /etc/mailname and /etc/hosts |
| 05:19.07 | mozo_ | liable nothing :( |
| 05:19.07 | Supaplex | Gnea: yeah what? that's two questions. |
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| 05:19.48 | Gnea | Supaplex: yeah i just answered both of 'em |
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| 05:20.06 | liable | mozo_: bugger. http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199 |
| 05:20.28 | Supaplex | Gnea: well I'd hope their own people are paying attention. was there something in specific you wanted to call attention to? |
| 05:20.36 | mozo_ | liable all configurations is ok, but my mouse stay freezed :( |
| 05:20.49 | deadcat | is it a problem if my hd gives me hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=54294450, sector=54294448 ? and hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 05:21.10 | Jeaton | !tardware |
| 05:21.10 | dpkg | hmm... tardware is the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>. |
| 05:21.22 | caphuso | deadcat: yes. use smartctl to find out more |
| 05:21.43 | Gnea | Supaplex: oh nothing big really, they're about to shoot a washing machine-sized object into a Comet in about a half hour to see what's gonna happen |
| 05:22.15 | foobus | Guerin, www.nasa.gov appears to be down... or /.-ed |
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| 05:22.38 | liable | Gnea: link? |
| 05:22.55 | Gnea | HRM |
| 05:22.58 | Gnea | I WONDER WHY |
| 05:23.01 | Gnea | :p |
| 05:23.13 | tvn | Gnea: they are not about to 'shoot' it ... it has been shot at least half a year ago |
| 05:23.16 | Gnea | liable: it's all over the place right now - bandwidth is saturated |
| 05:23.27 | mozo_ | liable i already learned this site |
| 05:23.47 | Gnea | tvn: no, they launched it - but the vehicle carrying it is going to 'shoot' it and follow the trajectory to impact and beyond |
| 05:23.51 | foobus | NASA is being sued by some nut that says they are interfering with spiritual somehtingorother by this act. |
| 05:24.11 | jm_ | deadcat: I think Andre Hedrick once said to someone something along this: "I really hoped you wouldn't have those two errors together" |
| 05:24.35 | Gnea | foobus: what a fucknut. he needs to be shot. |
| 05:25.08 | cmihai | deadcat: I've seen a lot of those myself... on both linux an freebsd... big disk ? |
| 05:25.09 | deadcat | caphuso: thanks |
| 05:25.13 | Supaplex | I have an external quantum DLT4000 scsi tape drive. tar choked half way through a backup. The drive indicator lights are flashing, indicating an error condition. I've been unable to reset it to normal despite power cycling and requesting a tape eject. Is there anything else I can try? Is the drive jammed? |
| 05:25.17 | deadcat | jm_: then i am fucked? its an ibook hd (= |
| 05:25.35 | dafen | do Ihave to enable direct rendering manager option in kernel to use frglx driver for ati raedon 9600 mobile? |
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| 05:25.57 | deadcat | cmihai: 30gig it was making beep while transfering via nfs earlier and when i type any command it was error because / is empty when i echo /* |
| 05:25.59 | Gnea | liable: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimpact/images/index.html |
| 05:26.10 | virgomoon | If I SIGHUP the parent sshd will it close out the child connections or just reread the config? |
| 05:26.17 | jm_ | deadcat: it usually means your disk has ran out of relocation space and now has permanent bad sectors |
| 05:26.23 | cmihai | deadcat: the disk could still be ok. |
| 05:26.31 | Gnea | liable: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050701_deep_impact_web.html |
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| 05:27.31 | sep | Supaplex: in the worst case you might have to open it up, too get the tape out. And test it vigorusly before relying on it for backups again. |
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| 05:28.00 | Supaplex | this could get intersting... |
| 05:28.02 | deadcat | cmihai: its still ok but sometimes its fucked. like now my hda9 is mounted as ro |
| 05:28.21 | deadcat | jm_: can i blame this on apple? and get one for free? since i have applecare? (= |
| 05:28.26 | Supaplex | sep: I've not as of yet seen the actual tape medium. I guess now's my chance? :) heh |
| 05:28.48 | jm_ | deadcat: most disks have at least 24 months of warranty today |
| 05:28.48 | initech | deadcat: everytime I see sense key errors like that on a drive i find the drive is just about finished |
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| 05:29.05 | deadcat | initech: i think so too )= |
| 05:29.13 | sep | Supaplex: it's only starts to get interesting when you try to unwind the medium and see how many times around your house you can get it. |
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| 05:29.21 | Supaplex | haha |
| 05:29.22 | deadcat | jm_: k. let me ask apple then |
| 05:29.35 | tvn | Gnea: they are going to shoot object B from object A to object C ... each object travelling at hundred miles / min ... |
| 05:29.36 | initech | Supaplex: reboot and let the controller redtect it I guess |
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| 05:29.52 | Gnea | tvn: that is correct. |
| 05:29.54 | initech | Supaplex: perhaps run a cleaning tape on it |
| 05:29.58 | sep | tvn: aim ahead... hold steady... |
| 05:30.00 | Supaplex | initech: did that about a dozen times. =) I think I'll harass quantum before I open it. |
| 05:30.09 | Supaplex | initech: the tape won't eject |
| 05:30.51 | initech | tape drives are teh suck. too bad we need them sometimes |
| 05:31.16 | sep | Supaplex: you can try pushing it from the outside see if you can dislodge it somehow.. (all these advices are ofcouse on drves that are outside of warranty) |
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| 05:32.04 | Supaplex | well, after my experience with sony on some ps2's I picked up, I think I'll bug the vendor before opening anything, even if it's out of warranty. |
| 05:32.31 | foobus | uh, did hikaru79 ever say whether he'd any success? |
| 05:32.57 | initech | Supaplex: ps2? like a 386 from 1990? |
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| 05:33.31 | z|bandito | replaced ps2? |
| 05:33.39 | petemc | initech: maybe you should get out more :) |
| 05:33.48 | initech | playstation then? |
| 05:34.02 | Supaplex | playstation2 |
| 05:34.23 | z|bandito | what issue with sony though? |
| 05:34.24 | initech | petemc: heh, I'm not the one playing computer games all the time ... |
| 05:34.37 | cmihai | Wasn't "supaplex" an old pac-man like game ?! |
| 05:34.38 | foobus | zing! |
| 05:35.15 | cmihai | I remember playing that on my 286 :) |
| 05:35.53 | Supaplex | I had some playstations out of warranty that i attempted to repair myself. when I confirmed I didn't have the resources to do this myself (eg, simple stuff like fuses, cables etc), I contacted sony. they declined to repair them, even at my cost because I had opened them. they commented they usualy do this for free otherwise. |
| 05:35.54 | initech | cmatei: was it a ps2? |
| 05:36.01 | Supaplex | disc read errors and all. |
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| 05:36.27 | initech | Supaplex: uh, you don't tell people you opened it |
| 05:36.35 | deadcat | caphuso: wheres smartctl? cant cache search it |
| 05:36.35 | Supaplex | cmihai: yup. it's free to download now. and they don't have 111 levels of insanity anymore. they have atleast 9 complete sets of 111 insane levels to choose from now. |
| 05:36.42 | cmihai | 0_o |
| 05:36.51 | caphuso | deadcat: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:37.20 | Supaplex | initech: I offered to pay to fix it, because I knew they were out of warranty already. anyway, easy come easy go... |
| 05:38.00 | Supaplex | cmihai: go ahead. we'll wait until you finish them all! :o) |
| 05:38.10 | z|bandito | couldn't get someone else to submit them then? or they had the sn already/? |
| 05:38.29 | cmihai | Supaplex: Well, I already finished it like 10 years ago :) |
| 05:38.39 | Supaplex | I'm not a decitfull person, I just don't operate that way. |
| 05:38.56 | Supaplex | cmihai: all 111 levels of the origional release? |
| 05:39.16 | cmihai | iirc, there were like 100 levels, yes. |
| 05:39.33 | initech | Supaplex: oh who cares. sony is decietful anyway. |
| 05:39.39 | Supaplex | cmihai: congratulations. =) how many hours? :) |
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| 05:39.52 | sep | deadcat: smartmontools |
| 05:40.01 | deadcat | sep: thanks. got it(= |
| 05:40.08 | silensius | how can give autorisation for mount and unmount for all users |
| 05:40.24 | cmihai | Hours ?... days |
| 05:40.34 | initech | silensius: put "user" in fstab, or use the automounter |
| 05:40.35 | Supaplex | cmihai: yea. how many? hehe |
| 05:40.36 | sep | silensius: man fstab, under the users argument |
| 05:40.37 | liable | Gnea: wow, never heard of this before now, thought it would have been in the media a bit... |
| 05:40.42 | davem | A microkernel! |
| 05:41.00 | Tabitha | silensius: I use a different method... I put my root password of "password" on post-it notes all over the monitor. |
| 05:41.26 | silensius | :) |
| 05:41.27 | cmihai | More then a weekend, that's for sure. |
| 05:41.29 | Gnea | liable: what, with a war going on, who gives a fuck if something could wipe us all out? :P |
| 05:41.56 | Gnea | i bet you bush doesn't even know about it |
| 05:42.03 | karsten | About ten minutes to impace, right? |
| 05:42.08 | liable | hah. |
| 05:42.13 | Kylixen | I love this. |
| 05:42.23 | tome | 9:40 |
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| 05:42.32 | liable | whats the best site to watch from? |
| 05:42.44 | karsten | liable: Outside. |
| 05:42.46 | Kylixen | Programmers' kyrptonite = MMORPG |
| 05:42.47 | eeyore- | ten minutes before we reap the wrath of the aliens hiding in the comet .... |
| 05:42.59 | karsten | liable: Hawaii, apparently. Southwest. |
| 05:43.00 | nevyn | Kylixen: that or wesnoth |
| 05:43.10 | karsten | Virgo to Spika. |
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| 05:43.13 | liable | karsten: cheers. |
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| 05:43.17 | karsten | mozo_: Turn that off. |
| 05:43.21 | Kylixen | That damned WoW is stealing a good portion of me life :( |
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| 05:43.26 | Gnea | karsten: yeah sounds about right - too bad nothing local is carrying it, and the websites are all /.'d |
| 05:43.27 | karsten | space.com appears slashdotted. |
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| 05:43.38 | suzzi | hello all |
| 05:43.40 | tome | karsten: I am on http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimpact/main/index.html?skipIntro=1 |
| 05:43.40 | Gnea | i'm trying to listen to nasa tv on real audio right now |
| 05:43.42 | initech | eeyore-: yes and then they'll come in and chase tom Cruise all over America |
| 05:43.47 | tome | woo hoO! |
| 05:43.48 | karsten | Gnea: Heh. IIRC http://www.sfgate.com/ had an article. |
| 05:43.58 | Gnea | karsten: heh, yeah who didn't |
| 05:44.14 | Tabitha | what OS is the thing running? Might it be debian? |
| 05:44.37 | karsten | Gnea: ...with viewing instructions |
| 05:44.50 | eeyore- | initech: can they really destroy all Scientologists? one could hope |
| 05:44.58 | dafen | how to install an Intel 82801db ac'97 audio controlloer? |
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| 05:45.10 | dafen | I meant the kernel option |
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| 05:45.32 | karsten | http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/07/03/national/a134530D80.DTL |
| 05:45.34 | Gnea | karsten: hrm, wonder if this has anything to do with the volcano that's being born in the pacific |
| 05:45.42 | karsten | !tell dafen about sound. |
| 05:45.46 | suzzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.47 | karsten | Gnea: Yes. |
| 05:45.49 | TwistedEmotions | haha.. watching "Intervention" ... a guy who likes gaming too much. |
| 05:45.55 | karsten | Gnea: They're both in the same universe. |
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| 05:46.19 | TwistedEmotions | The guy is sitting there like wtf? A intervention for gaming? |
| 05:46.29 | SlicerDicer- | what does group uucp do? is it critical or what? I am trying to search google and am finding conflicting information |
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| 05:46.42 | Kylixen | I'm loving debian, except one thing. My mouse will randomly, or atleast it appears random, freeze as if the mouse had locked up. The mouse hasn't. If I swap consoles and come right back she works again. It happens with and with out GPM running =\ |
| 05:47.21 | eeyore- | Kylixen: i don't think it's debian. it's probably a bad mouse connector .... do you use kvm? |
| 05:47.31 | karsten | Anyone got a good sky chart locator image? |
| 05:47.33 | eeyore- | Kylixen: or, maybe the mouse is just gunked up badly |
| 05:47.40 | Kylixen | eeyore: I had gentoo installed on this system just before, and hadn't had any problems. |
| 05:47.40 | sep | Kylixen: i'v had that problem, but it's allways on comupters with kvm switches attached |
| 05:47.48 | initech | Kylixen: hardware issue, or perhaps a driver mismatch in your X config |
| 05:48.07 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: I agree... It sounds like a bad mouse... have you tried any other mouses? |
| 05:48.17 | karsten | Here: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/n/a/2005/07/03/national/a134530D80.DTL&o=0 |
| 05:48.32 | Kylixen | TwistedEmotions: I would think so too, but it works fine with other distros. I event swapped out with another PC. She's workin fine there :( |
| 05:48.37 | karsten | southwest, ssw of jupiter, just above Spica in Virgo |
| 05:48.48 | SlicerDicer- | anybody know what uucp is for? |
| 05:49.01 | Kylixen | initech: It's runnin under imps2 |
| 05:49.03 | sep | SlicerDicer-: old way of transfering mail with Unix to Unix copy |
| 05:49.03 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: Have you tried a different driver or different mouse settings? |
| 05:49.07 | Kylixen | initech: the same as before |
| 05:49.16 | jm_ | SlicerDicer-: apt-cache show uucp |
| 05:49.33 | SlicerDicer- | is it required? |
| 05:49.45 | SlicerDicer- | I am wondering cause its using a GID I need |
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| 05:49.57 | Kylixen | TwistedEmotions: Yes, I have used both PS/2 and IMPS2 |
| 05:50.06 | initech | SlicerDicer-: why on earth would uucp be using a gid you need? |
| 05:50.14 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: and they all freeze the same? |
| 05:50.20 | sep | SlicerDicer-: use another gid, there are many of them :P |
| 05:50.27 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: you said if you use another mouse that freezes too? |
| 05:50.31 | Terra-Niux | hello im trying to setup bind9 on debian so I can use it for webmin, however it doesnt recognise that its started nor can I use /etc/init.d/bind9 in the executable field, any ideas? |
| 05:50.34 | Kylixen | TwistedEmotions: Yes. Except when using PS/2 I can't do ZAxisMapping. |
| 05:50.35 | SlicerDicer- | sep, I guess I could |
| 05:50.39 | Gnea | damnit |
| 05:50.44 | Kylixen | TwistedEmotions: Yes. |
| 05:50.45 | Gnea | can't hear/see a thing |
| 05:50.49 | Gnea | it's all cloudy outside |
| 05:51.05 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: Errr.. Anyone? I'm out of ideas... |
| 05:51.05 | Kylixen | I have no process spikes or anything. The mouse just stops responding and switch consoles kicks it back into gear. |
| 05:51.08 | sep | SlicerDicer-: uucp is not normaly installed. so if you have instaleld it chances are your using it. |
| 05:51.24 | Kylixen | The mouse itself is actually responding, it has an indicator light to show that. |
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| 05:51.34 | Kylixen | So it's something happening at the system itself. |
| 05:51.36 | sep | Kylixen: and no kvm switch ? |
| 05:51.42 | Kylixen | sep: nope |
| 05:51.45 | overnout | is jackd similar to a sound mixer ? |
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| 05:52.17 | foobus | so about now |
| 05:52.32 | sep | Kylixen: then i have no clue, i'v seen that on kvm's where the mouse line had a short break and a consolw switch reinintialised the mouse. but not on the most expencive kvm's |
| 05:52.43 | Kylixen | It feels like the Xsession stops catching the signal and when you switch terminals it recatches |
| 05:52.44 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: I dont know about your motherboard... but try turning on USB mouse support... therefore the motherboard actually loads the mouse for you and not linux... I couldnt get my mouse to work for a little while in windows and I just have the motherboard load it up and now linux and windows work fine with it.. |
| 05:53.00 | SlicerDicer- | sep, I use ubuntu and I cant get a straight answer |
| 05:53.04 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: I dont know if all/most motherboards support it... |
| 05:53.17 | SlicerDicer- | Sep I dont know if ubuntu uses it thats the problem |
| 05:53.23 | sep | SlicerDicer-: well this is #debian, we have no clue to what ubuntu does .. |
| 05:53.30 | sep | SlicerDicer-: you have to ask them |
| 05:53.31 | Kylixen | Twisted I might try that. |
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| 05:53.33 | initech | has the impact happened yet? |
| 05:53.40 | SlicerDicer- | sep, its related so I was just wondering what it does thats all |
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| 05:53.55 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: Try going through setups and see if you can get USB support.. sorry I cant think of what the problem might be.. not that great with linux ;( Good lick. |
| 05:53.55 | rocksolid | how do you remove lilo, i tried lilo -u and it still boots to lilo |
| 05:53.58 | TwistedEmotions | *luck. |
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| 05:54.01 | sep | SlicerDicer-: man uucp since you have it installed :P |
| 05:54.05 | SlicerDicer- | sep, everything that I found via google had to do with debian so what am I to do just guess? |
| 05:54.14 | sep | read the docs |
| 05:54.16 | Kylixen | It'll be alright, this is the server anyway. |
| 05:54.26 | Kylixen | The PC it doesn't honk up on. |
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| 05:54.41 | SlicerDicer- | sep, ohh well thanks for the answer it was helpful |
| 05:55.01 | zorton | I feel kinda wrong, compiling kernel using my OSX machine as a crosscompile host |
| 05:55.01 | liable | gah, cant find a good site for this comet crash. |
| 05:55.02 | SlicerDicer- | No manual entry for uucp 'thats what happens so yeah....' |
| 05:55.05 | zorton | just feels...dirty |
| 05:55.37 | rocksolid | i'm booting to "1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 ..." .. is that bad mbr? or bad kernel? |
| 05:55.47 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: Try pouring water on it.. or running a car battery to it. |
| 05:55.52 | initech | SlicerDicer-: well I guess there's no other way - you must set up a vast uucp network. |
| 05:55.55 | cmihai | Reinstall your boot loader... |
| 05:55.59 | zorton | rocksolid: bootloaded |
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| 05:56.04 | zorton | errr....loader |
| 05:56.08 | Kylixen | TwistedEmotions: I'll threaten to sick a cat on it. That'll scare it straight. |
| 05:56.25 | SlicerDicer- | initech, I was just getting at if I nuked it would it nuke my system thats all lol |
| 05:56.26 | rocksolid | i've reinstalled it about 5 times :/ |
| 05:56.28 | TuxMeister | mornin' |
| 05:56.52 | cmihai | rocksolid: so use different settings. Try grub, try lilo, try GAG, etc. |
| 05:56.53 | rocksolid | boot w/ install disk, mount hd, chroot to /mnt, rerun lilo -v -v |
| 05:56.57 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: hahaha... everytime it freezes install 10% of a windows install on it. and keep installing windows till it stops freezing. |
| 05:57.09 | rocksolid | then removed lilo, and installed grub, still boots to 1 0 1 0 |
| 05:57.10 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: it will get the message. |
| 05:57.15 | Kylixen | TwistedEmotions: you've crossed the line! |
| 05:57.23 | Kylixen | Them there is fightin words. |
| 05:57.26 | rocksolid | i'll try gag then |
| 05:57.36 | liable | rocksolid: run grub-install |
| 05:57.40 | zorton | rocksolid: I might be wrong, but take a look at the partition table and make sure the partition containing / or /boot is set "bootable" |
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| 05:57.47 | initech | i know, a new p2p network based on uucp! |
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| 05:58.10 | rocksolid | i ran grub-install several times |
| 05:58.11 | liable | karsten: what url you looking at? |
| 05:58.15 | guatenais | everybody can help me |
| 05:58.17 | Kylixen | TwistedEmotions: I don't know what the hell is the matter with me. My tastes are changing all of a sudden, Gentoo to Debian, Csh to Bash... I hope my wife stays attractive :( |
| 05:58.18 | rocksolid | while in chroot |
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| 05:58.26 | jm_ | rocksolid: grub doesn't print 0 1 0 1 on errors |
| 05:58.27 | karsten | liable: Sky. |
| 05:58.35 | rocksolid | how to i remove lilo for sure then |
| 05:58.35 | liable | oh |
| 05:58.38 | rocksolid | i did lilo -u |
| 05:58.41 | cmihai | dd ;) |
| 05:58.42 | initech | Kylixen: so far it seems like you are evolving :) |
| 05:58.47 | jm_ | rewrite it with GRUB |
| 05:58.48 | TwistedEmotions | Kylixen: If she doesnt just use apt-get install mask |
| 05:58.58 | guatenais | everybody can help me |
| 05:59.01 | liable | rocksolid: you dont remove it, you write over it with grub. |
| 05:59.04 | rocksolid | it won't rewrite |
| 05:59.05 | Kylixen | TwistedEmotions: apt-get install fleshlight? |
| 05:59.11 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 05:59.18 | rocksolid | will it rewrite while chroot to /mnt off a boot cd? |
| 05:59.24 | zorton | apt-get install facelift |
| 05:59.35 | Kylixen | I love these moments in my walk. It's so cool to delve into something you didn't know about and love it. |
| 05:59.38 | jm_ | yes, it will work fine if you chroot and mount it properly |
| 05:59.46 | eeyore- | Kylixen: i don't know how you could possibly like csh to begin with... |
| 05:59.48 | rocksolid | hmm |
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| 05:59.52 | cmihai | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdX bs=512 count=1... that should remove it. Make a backup first (dd if=/dev/hdx of=somefile bs=512 count=1) ... But don't do that, it might screw things up. Just install another bootloader. |
| 05:59.55 | Kylixen | eeyore-: Kylixen = C programmer |
| 05:59.59 | Kylixen | The syntax is similar |
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| 06:00.13 | Kylixen | I also went from liking C to liking python |
| 06:00.16 | Kylixen | That's bad joo joo |
| 06:00.20 | Kylixen | But, I still love C |
| 06:00.31 | zorton | you must know C thouhg |
| 06:00.41 | Kylixen | It's me vernacular. |
| 06:00.42 | Kylixen | ;) |
| 06:00.43 | zorton | if you want to be able to do anything, most everything is written in C or has C api's you can call |
| 06:00.51 | guatenais | can you help me |
| 06:01.12 | zorton | guatenais: do you have a pulse? |
| 06:01.13 | eeyore- | Kylixen: so, i program too, and i despise csh :-) |
| 06:01.17 | Kylixen | Zorton: It's dirty though. It's that raw power. Having to grab memory by the horns. It turns me on. |
| 06:01.23 | TwistedEmotions | guatenais: What's the problem... |
| 06:01.28 | TwistedEmotions | !justask |
| 06:01.31 | TwistedEmotions | Err.. |
| 06:01.39 | TwistedEmotions | What was that command? |
| 06:01.45 | zorton | Kylixen: talk not to me about memory, I write in perl :) |
| 06:01.49 | guatenais | i can not install skype |
| 06:01.55 | Kylixen | eeyore-: I liked it :P Quit picking on me. |
| 06:01.56 | foobus | !ask |
| 06:01.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 06:01.57 | guatenais | can you install skype |
| 06:02.14 | Kylixen | zorton: I'll be learning perl next. She's like the whore of babylon in the prophecy that is _Teh Kylixen_ |
| 06:02.22 | Guerin | guatenais: follow the instructions on the damn site. it's not debian, and it's not open heart surgery. |
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| 06:02.39 | zorton | Kylixen: perl is nice for me because I typicaly find a module that does most of the work for me |
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| 06:02.51 | eeyore- | Kylixen: how do you deal with the stupidity that you can't take a shell variable's content before it's defined? that's stupid ... instead of $foo = empty if not defined, you have to waste time testing if it's valid, first. |
| 06:02.56 | zorton | Kylixen: although the "everything as a string" thing gets on my nerves |
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| 06:03.15 | zorton | I suspect my neighbor |
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| 06:03.20 | initech | zorton: it's Guerin |
| 06:03.24 | Kylixen | zorton: My preference is Python. But I finally stepped into the professional computer world, so I'll need perl in my bag of tricks. |
| 06:03.25 | zorton | heh |
| 06:03.40 | Kylixen | eeyore-: Meh, it's what I started with. We've all made our mistakes. I want to know it all anyway. |
| 06:03.44 | defcon8 | on di.fm it has an option to play in aac+ format. how do i play aac+ on xmms |
| 06:03.44 | TwistedEmotions | guatenais: Why dont you just install a program like yahoo messenger where you can just use a mic to talk to people? |
| 06:03.45 | zorton | I should go take my cat over there with a brown paper bag. 'Could you get please get this cat stoned, she's a bit hyper' |
| 06:04.09 | zorton | Kylixen: perl seems to have fallen out of fashion in the web business |
| 06:04.13 | zorton | IMHO |
| 06:04.18 | guatenais | ok |
| 06:04.20 | Guerin | defcon8: get the aac plugin. |
| 06:04.24 | Kylixen | zorton: Thank God i'm not in the web business :P |
| 06:04.24 | initech | zorton: perl is a sysadmin thing |
| 06:04.27 | cmihai | Skype works fine for me guatenais |
| 06:04.29 | TwistedEmotions | guatenais: Wait... is this VoIP or Just net voice talk? |
| 06:04.30 | guatenais | thank's |
| 06:04.42 | initech | or a hacker thing |
| 06:04.50 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: if you don't fucking know what skype is, don't give advice on it, eh? |
| 06:04.51 | zorton | initech: i agree, I find I typicaly use it for fiddling with data and such |
| 06:04.55 | zorton | works great for that |
| 06:04.58 | karsten | Top of the hour news summary says Napa claims a hit. |
| 06:05.01 | foobus | !spliff |
| 06:05.01 | Kylixen | initech: assembly is a "hacker" thing ;) |
| 06:05.04 | pengo | what's with the date format "Mar 24 05:49 2005" (time in the middle of a date) and why do programs like "ar" use it? |
| 06:05.04 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I didnt.. |
| 06:05.11 | Kylixen | Tis sexy in it's own way, too |
| 06:05.12 | cmihai | guatenais: I just downloaded the .deb and installed it. |
| 06:05.26 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: yes you did. you suggested an alternative which doesn't actually do what skype does. |
| 06:05.30 | guatenais | how did you do |
| 06:05.32 | jm_ | Penguin: that's default format as printed by date in C locale |
| 06:05.38 | jm_ | pengo ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 06:05.45 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Care to die? |
| 06:05.49 | pengo | ah. C locale |
| 06:05.50 | zorton | probaly a setting in /etc/ somewhere |
| 06:05.58 | Penguin | ：） |
| 06:06.12 | cmihai | guatenais: "wget -c http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb" |
| 06:06.27 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: i'm actually well on my way. But i'd just like it if you'd stop spouting uninformed bullshit and learn when to keep your damn mouth shut and learn a thing or three. |
| 06:06.31 | Penguin | Where can I find out my /dev/hda when I chroot into a debian system which use udev ? |
| 06:06.34 | cmihai | guatenais: then you can intall it with dpkg -i |
| 06:06.36 | Guerin | god knows, there's plenty for you to learn in here. |
| 06:06.38 | pengo | jm_, umm.. so would it be a default thing that ignores my actual locale? |
| 06:06.43 | zorton | newest thing i'm going to learn is Labview |
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| 06:06.53 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: that time of the month again? |
| 06:06.56 | karsten | Penguin: ?? Maybe mount proc under your chroot. |
| 06:07.09 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: don't be more of a fucktard than usual. |
| 06:07.30 | jm_ | pengo: no, en_US and several others feature the same format (I know japanese locale(s) don't) |
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| 06:07.46 | cmihai | LabView ?! |
| 06:07.51 | maher | Guerin: be polite |
| 06:07.52 | Penguin | karlheg, no, mount proc doesn't create any device node in /dev/ |
| 06:07.52 | zorton | foobus: they offer it i'm pretty sure |
| 06:07.56 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: That sounds like a yes to me ;) I guessed at the function then suggested something similar. Dont get your panties in a bunch now.. |
| 06:08.02 | foobus | yeah, for your right arm. |
| 06:08.03 | dillinger123 | I think labview is available for linux |
| 06:08.07 | Guerin | maher: I AM being polite. |
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| 06:08.19 | Guerin | !guess |
| 06:08.19 | zorton | my big curiousity with labview is if i'm going to be able to compile apps for linux with it |
| 06:08.19 | dpkg | [guess] a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 06:08.28 | Guerin | !iydkdg |
| 06:08.28 | dpkg | If you don't know, don't guess |
| 06:08.33 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: ^^^ |
| 06:08.37 | zorton | !educated guess |
| 06:08.50 | berky | I'm having a problem compiling madwifi for Debian. I followed instructions on a site I found, up to the point of issuing the command >fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage. The command fails complaining that KERNELPATH is not set. I'm not sure how I am meant to set it. |
| 06:08.52 | dillinger123 | You can, according to the NI marketroid I spoke to. |
| 06:08.53 | zorton | lame |
| 06:08.56 | TwistedEmotions | !theory |
| 06:09.06 | TwistedEmotions | damn... well that's what it was. |
| 06:09.13 | foobus | ? |
| 06:09.17 | cmihai | Like, dude. |
| 06:09.22 | cmihai | There is LabView for Linux... |
| 06:09.22 | liable | berky: look in the makefile, read the readme. |
| 06:09.31 | zorton | berky: just a "guess" but set KERNELPATH to KERNELPATH'/usr/src/linux' or something |
| 06:09.47 | foobus | I said as much... but that it is expensive |
| 06:09.52 | dillinger123 | But the marketroid kept telling me that the future is Windows and ActiveX and .NET and blah blah |
| 06:09.56 | zorton | but no free-as-in-poor-college-student copy |
| 06:09.59 | foobus | fuck |
| 06:10.10 | berky | liable: The makefile said to use "make KERNELPATH=<path>". I issued that command, but it appears it went off and started to compile the whole thing... My worry is that's not going to produce the .deb packages that instructions assume I am working from. |
| 06:10.15 | pengo | jm_, thanks. any hints on how to change locale (in bash / scripts)? "locale" only seems to display it |
| 06:10.23 | zorton | dillinger123: my boss described the guy that dropped off the evaulation copy i'm working with as "a sales Jerk" |
| 06:10.27 | zorton | dillinger123: probaly the same guy :) |
| 06:10.42 | foobus | heheh |
| 06:10.46 | Guerin | berky: export KERNELPATH=/some/path/or/other |
| 06:10.52 | Guerin | berky: that might work |
| 06:10.54 | liable | berky: no, make KERNELPATH=/usr/src/linux |
| 06:10.54 | dillinger123 | I think dataflow languages like Labview are good for something things, but not appropriate for everything. |
| 06:10.57 | zorton | berky: don't take the "make KERNELPATH=<path> literaly |
| 06:11.02 | Guerin | don't actually run make |
| 06:11.09 | liable | why not. |
| 06:11.10 | Guerin | just set the environment variable |
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| 06:11.11 | berky | I substituted the correct path. |
| 06:11.13 | zorton | dillinger123: agreed |
| 06:11.15 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
| 06:11.23 | mlalkaka | how do i use a usb flash drive in debian linux? |
| 06:11.23 | jm_ | pengo: set LANG variable |
| 06:11.27 | karsten | pengo: 'locale <localevalue>' is what you want. What locale do you want? |
| 06:11.30 | zorton | dillinger123: prototyping and building interfaces seem to be strengths |
| 06:11.37 | Guerin | make-kpkg is complaining the variable isn't set. Set it. make does something utterly different |
| 06:11.39 | karsten | pengo: ...or LANG. |
| 06:11.39 | dillinger123 | I've "writen" a 3d engine in labview and I've seen someone do a DCT. These are NOT appropriate uses of labview! :) |
| 06:11.42 | zorton | dillinger123: but raw number crunching i think i would write my own program |
| 06:11.47 | foobus | .NET programmer: $15/hr. Labview: right arm. Linux: priceless |
| 06:11.53 | dillinger123 | zorton: EXACTLY! |
| 06:11.54 | liable | berky: or wherever your kernel source path is. |
| 06:11.57 | berky | guerin: I can set it with make-kpkg? Odd that the instructions didn't include that then. :P |
| 06:12.05 | pengo | karsten, i want something that gives a date like "2005-07-03 18:55" (same as ls -l) |
| 06:12.05 | berky | liable: /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 :) |
| 06:12.08 | zorton | dillinger123: yay we agree! here's a cookie :) |
| 06:12.10 | Guerin | berky: dude, it's an environment variable |
| 06:12.17 | berky | guerin: I'm a noob. |
| 06:12.27 | mlalkaka | i plugged in the usb flash drive, and nothing happened. it is detected, though. but how do i mount it? |
| 06:12.27 | Guerin | berky: set it using export, then run make-kpkg hatever foo bar lalala |
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| 06:12.35 | berky | guerin: Thanks, man. I'll do that. |
| 06:12.37 | zorton | foobus: well put, the tracking station i'm at has only one labview guy |
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| 06:12.40 | dillinger123 | But I understand that some people are scared when they see text. Thats what Labview markets to. |
| 06:12.44 | karsten | pengo: You want to set LC_TIME then. Not sure what value works for that. |
| 06:12.53 | Guerin | berky: to check it's set, do echo $KERNELPATH |
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| 06:13.00 | zorton | and he threatened to quit, after that the boss came by and asked me if I wanted training to "ellimate the single point of failure" |
| 06:13.04 | berky | guerin: Awesome. Thanks. |
| 06:13.05 | davem | I hate memtest, it always hurts. |
| 06:13.32 | zorton | dillinger123: oh yeah, wrote a perl program the other day to sample center freq's and the guys on the ops floor paniced when it was only a text interface |
| 06:13.41 | initech | what is with this "single point of failure" mantra? |
| 06:13.42 | karsten | pengo: Do you want *all* dates like that, or do you want to generate a date like that? You can do, eg: "date +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M'" to create 'em |
| 06:13.48 | dillinger123 | zorton: I'd eliminate that "single point of failure" by rewriting the labview in octave/matlab/python/whatever |
| 06:14.01 | foobus | zorton, do you and yours pin signs on his back? |
| 06:14.08 | pengo | karsten, i want all dates like that within the context of a bash script |
| 06:14.12 | zorton | dillinger123: well, in this case the labview app is being used for antenna control and such, very good use for it |
| 06:14.20 | Guerin | pengo: use a alias |
| 06:14.21 | zorton | dillinger123: I have no desire to write all the glue code myself :0 |
| 06:14.26 | karsten | pengo: Are these dates you're generating? |
| 06:14.35 | karsten | pengo: ...or are they dates created by various utilities? |
| 06:14.43 | zorton | foobus: Union shop, I tread lightly |
| 06:14.59 | pengo | karsten, no, from various utilities.. e.g. 'ar' |
| 06:15.18 | dillinger123 | Got to be careful with unions. I've gotten busted several times for using a soldier iron at work... |
| 06:15.22 | karsten | pengo: Not sure if there's a good fix. locale would be where to hunt. |
| 06:15.30 | pengo | karsten, thanks. i'm hunting around now |
| 06:15.43 | zorton | dillinger123: about the same thing, most of the guys are very hard workers and good people |
| 06:15.49 | zorton | but there are a few....leaches....' |
| 06:15.51 | defcon8 | Guerin, which is that? i couldnt seem to find it |
| 06:15.59 | zorton | the "I want a month off or i'm quitting" type |
| 06:16.27 | Guerin | defcon8: which is what? |
| 06:16.32 | dillinger123 | Thats true everywhere. Just wished I knew the ground rules BEFORE they posted my picture on their signs |
| 06:16.35 | defcon8 | aac plugin |
| 06:16.37 | foobus | if you are union you are going to be worked hard. |
| 06:16.49 | defcon8 | debian:/home/defcon8# apt-cache search aac |
| 06:16.49 | defcon8 | libvorbis-perl - Perl extension for Ogg Vorbis streams |
| 06:16.53 | defcon8 | thats all i get |
| 06:17.08 | zorton | foobus: but your "work" will be well defined |
| 06:17.24 | zorton | someone who wants to help out the Team often has troubles IMHO |
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| 06:17.38 | foobus | yeah... I'm thinking of it. It's not mandatory where I am. But I like my freedom. |
| 06:17.50 | Guerin | defcon8: xmms-mp4 |
| 06:18.03 | defcon8 | thanks |
| 06:18.06 | zorton | foobus: the union will protect you, and they will give you good representation, but it will cost you dues |
| 06:18.10 | zorton | foobus: and freedom |
| 06:18.38 | zorton | kinda like the mob in some respects....uh....well....considering the past.... :P |
| 06:18.45 | dillinger123 | Unions try to protect members but they aren't always successful |
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| 06:19.09 | mdh | foobus: and if you join the union, you get free days off work by calling a strike, and you get to beat the crap out of people who actually want to work instead of bitch & moan |
| 06:19.13 | zorton | yep, although for someone who works with their hands or is subject to dangerous work I think they can be the best bet |
| 06:19.26 | mdh | and you don't go to gaol for assault |
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| 06:19.48 | zorton | case: friend of mine on undernet broke his leg, no medical coverage because he was working as an 'contract' worker |
| 06:19.50 | foobus | oh brother |
| 06:20.07 | davem | mdh: It was the ones who "bitched and moaned" who gained the rights and wages all of us enjoy. |
| 06:20.07 | eeyore- | in a few more years i'll be elligible to take a sabbatical :-> |
| 06:20.12 | zorton | no coverage, while on the other hand my other friend was a IBEW worker for year |
| 06:20.14 | zorton | s |
| 06:20.26 | foobus | the weekend is a union invention |
| 06:20.26 | mdh | davem: I hear that lie all the time, from unionists |
| 06:20.29 | zorton | and had a wife have a stroke, they covered her for tons of time |
| 06:20.35 | dillinger123 | One of the 37 million americans who "exercise their freedom" to not get health insurance? :) |
| 06:20.44 | mdh | foobus: wrong. the weekend existed long before unions |
| 06:20.49 | zorton | dillinger123: excactly |
| 06:21.01 | zorton | dillinger123: the attitude was: "your a contractor, you buy your own since we are paying you more" |
| 06:21.06 | eeyore- | dillinger123: something is inherently wrong when convicts get better care than some honest people |
| 06:21.16 | foobus | for whom? |
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| 06:21.39 | mlalkaka | can someone please help me access my usb flash drive? |
| 06:21.55 | sep | mlalkaka: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 06:21.56 | dillinger123 | lol, I just got kicked from a neocon channel where they were calling me a communist al quaeda sympathizer for asking about health insurance :) |
| 06:21.58 | davem | Sorry all my ports are full. |
| 06:22.01 | davem | :P |
| 06:22.02 | eeyore- | mlalkaka: insert "usb-storage" module, that's about it |
| 06:22.10 | foobus | hahah |
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| 06:22.19 | zorton | dillinger123: cool! you just became the fear symbol! |
| 06:22.37 | dillinger123 | Those guys are so paranoid its hilarious! |
| 06:22.38 | foobus | !pheer dillinger123 |
| 06:22.41 | mdh | hahaha |
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| 06:22.56 | eeyore- | has anybody bought one of these: http://www.wiebetech.com/products/satadock.php |
| 06:22.59 | dillinger123 | Except, they run the USA :( |
| 06:23.01 | zorton | sounds like the guy I work with, Limbah listening self proclaimed "conservative" |
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| 06:23.22 | davem | unions suck in that they are run by idiots, but they have a place |
| 06:23.22 | sema4 | what's the diff b/w libdiscover(2) and libdiscover1 (apart from the number ) ??? |
| 06:23.28 | mdh | dillinger123: communist al quaeda sympathisers run the USA? |
| 06:23.29 | Guerin | berky: ripper mate. |
| 06:23.51 | dillinger123 | I thought Straussians run the USA? |
| 06:23.55 | Guerin | dillinger123: that would be #politics, right? |
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| 06:24.30 | dillinger123 | Nah, this was in another server |
| 06:24.41 | zorton | foobus: what you don't like being represented by a minority? |
| 06:25.16 | dillinger123 | linux users are a minority |
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| 06:25.29 | davem | zorton: How would representation by a majority work, How could they make a room to hold 100+million? |
| 06:25.31 | dillinger123 | debian even more so |
| 06:25.32 | davem | lol |
| 06:25.33 | zorton | I think both parties only represent a minority of people |
| 06:25.42 | defcon8 | Guerin, no such package |
| 06:25.47 | zorton | davem: football stadium? |
| 06:25.55 | dillinger123 | Big stadium |
| 06:25.57 | mdh | dillinger123: considering the number of embedded devices running linux, I'd disagree |
| 06:26.01 | davem | I suppose |
| 06:26.06 | OhMyGod | hello? I want to let my debian auto login xwindow. what will I do? |
| 06:26.09 | foobus | I'm more concerned that some things I've always regarded as minimal humanistic viewpoint are being eroded |
| 06:26.14 | dillinger123 | mdh: true. I was thinking of desktop |
| 06:26.15 | Guerin | !info xmms-mp4 |
| 06:26.23 | Guerin | wtf |
| 06:26.23 | zorton | OhMyGod: first, relax |
| 06:26.33 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:26.37 | Guerin | it's in marillat |
| 06:26.44 | Guerin | defcon8: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 06:26.44 | zorton | OhMyGod: just judging from your nick and the message your entirely too stressed about this stuff |
| 06:26.56 | dillinger123 | lol |
| 06:26.56 | foobus | It's hard to address OhMyGod without sounding hystrionic. :) |
| 06:27.14 | Guerin | OhMyGod: configure kdm or gdm to do it |
| 06:27.24 | zorton | or die! |
| 06:27.26 | Guerin | OhMyGod: it's self-explanatory in kdm. |
| 06:27.31 | dillinger123 | rotfl |
| 06:27.31 | Guerin | but it's a really stupid idea. |
| 06:27.34 | zorton | or you could die! |
| 06:27.42 | foobus | OhMyGod, you didn't know that!!??? |
| 06:27.45 | Guerin | zorton: please to not being a tard. |
| 06:28.01 | zorton | Doom? |
| 06:28.05 | dillinger123 | You might scare him away to another distro! |
| 06:28.27 | zorton | that's true, it should be apt-get install gdm |
| 06:28.33 | zorton | i think that's all I do, once X is configured |
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| 06:29.31 | OhMyGod | foobus:thank u ver much.my english is poor,I'm reading. haha |
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| 06:30.03 | zorton | OhMyGod: what language do you speak? |
| 06:30.04 | defcon8 | Guerin, ok i didnt have marillat |
| 06:30.08 | OhMyGod | foobus:It's a joke about my nick ^_^ |
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| 06:30.23 | foobus | yes... it's pretty fun |
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| 06:30.26 | OhMyGod | zorton:I'm a Chinese. |
| 06:30.34 | zorton | bummer, don't know that one |
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| 06:32.42 | pengo | what's Monday in german? |
| 06:32.52 | foobus | montag |
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| 06:33.27 | pengo | hmm. thanks foobus |
| 06:33.29 | foobus | Ich wohnte amol da. |
| 06:33.29 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know the site for the parody of the scene...? |
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| 06:33.51 | zorton | fun thoughts: the server this proxy is running on was seized by the FBI last wekk |
| 06:33.54 | zorton | week |
| 06:34.08 | foobus | that's a fun thought? |
| 06:34.09 | zorton | so everyone, lets give a good hearty hello to the FBI listeners :) |
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| 06:34.28 | Guerin | zorton: i thought i asked you not to be a tard? |
| 06:34.28 | foobus | wow |
| 06:34.29 | zorton | sure, I don't have anything to worry about |
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| 06:34.44 | _linuxAS_ | morning |
| 06:34.51 | egg | hello |
| 06:35.23 | zorton | yeah, but this is just IRC really |
| 06:35.25 | OhMyGod | foobus:I have found the gdm.thank u. |
| 06:35.34 | foobus | and no, I'm not doing anything wrong. You all are the pot smoking hippies, not me. |
| 06:35.44 | foobus | OhMyGod, that's fantastic! |
| 06:35.49 | foobus | :) |
| 06:35.58 | zorton | foobus: that's "damn hippie" thank you :) |
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| 06:36.28 | pengo | bash befuddles me. it's man page doubly so. |
| 06:36.51 | defcon8 | Guerin, that marillat doc page doesnt really tell me anything about adding it to the repo. it just tells me about signed packages |
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| 06:37.15 | zorton | pengo: printing it sometimes helps |
| 06:37.19 | foobus | pengo, look for the examples in /usr/share if you have them |
| 06:37.32 | mdh | zorton: what makes you think the FBI hasn't always been watching you and your nefarious irc homosexual activities? |
| 06:37.43 | Guerin | defcon8: you're dead wrong. |
| 06:38.00 | egg | FBI? |
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| 06:38.11 | dh0 | excellent, my computer no longer sees my ethernet card |
| 06:38.13 | defcon8 | Guerin, did you look_? |
| 06:38.15 | zorton | mdh: I would hope not, would be a nice waste of time |
| 06:38.19 | foobus | mdh, j edgar retired long ago... |
| 06:38.23 | zorton | mdh: although maybe i made a copule of them laugh |
| 06:39.30 | zorton | cool, stable 2.6.12.2 kernel just barfed loading the cdrom driver |
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| 06:40.22 | jove | hello all |
| 06:40.27 | zorton | hi |
| 06:40.53 | jove | 3.1 release ?! the topic ? |
| 06:41.30 | Guerin | defcon8: i am familiar with marillat's page |
| 06:41.32 | mdh | jove: welcome to June. Now, if you excuse us, we're all in July ;) |
| 06:42.13 | defcon8 | Guerin, i have found it |
| 06:42.17 | jove | ok |
| 06:42.38 | foobus | in eighteen minutes it'll be Independence Day here in usa. |
| 06:42.44 | zorton | jove: apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 06:42.54 | Guerin | oh, that explains the massive spike in fucking imbeciles |
| 06:42.59 | Guerin | america is on holiday |
| 06:43.09 | jm_ | :) |
| 06:43.11 | jove | i got some trouble about yelp |
| 06:43.26 | mdh | I missed going to a big do for 4/7 today |
| 06:43.30 | zorton | another 1 hour 15 here |
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| 06:43.48 | foobus | mefus realizes there are around 4 other time zones... |
| 06:43.51 | zorton | foobus: in fact, i'm insulted! you didn't include Alaska and Hawaii! |
| 06:43.54 | Guerin | maybe i'll drink a bud lite in honour |
| 06:43.54 | vladuz976 | hi anybody know how to turn on hilighting in vim? |
| 06:43.55 | egg | mdh, ? |
| 06:44.05 | jove | any body know about yelp ?? |
| 06:44.08 | jm_ | vladuz976: it's in vim docs |
| 06:44.08 | foobus | zorton, sorry |
| 06:44.13 | Guerin | vladuz976: :? |
| 06:44.16 | zorton | Guerin: and then puke because it tastes like horse piss? |
| 06:44.16 | karsten | vladuz976: syntax highlighting? |
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| 06:44.21 | mdh | egg: my gf is american, but her family are all away atm and her dad has the pass to get in to the embassy |
| 06:44.24 | karsten | vladuz976: ':syn on' |
| 06:44.35 | zorton | foobus: if your not careful we'll take our pipeline and leave |
| 06:44.36 | Guerin | zorton: well, if it's good enough for america, it should be good enough for me, right? |
| 06:44.41 | vladuz976 | karsten: and then how do you keep it saved for next time |
| 06:44.51 | mdh | directhex: it's the only time they ever beat england in a war ;) |
| 06:44.54 | zorton | and then a couple years later maybe we'll get noticed :0 |
| 06:44.58 | karsten | vladuz976: ~/.vimrc somewhere. |
| 06:45.02 | foobus | zorton, a friend of mine just moved to Fairbanks... I want to visit |
| 06:45.05 | egg | mdh, what's atm? |
| 06:45.23 | directhex | mdh, nobody ever wins or loses in wars with america, they just get bored & stop |
| 06:45.24 | zorton | Guerin: if you buy the party line, keep in mind that there are quite a few who feel sick by the way our country is being run |
| 06:45.26 | Schiz0 | At the moment |
| 06:45.27 | karsten | vladuz976: 'au <filetype> syn on' I think |
| 06:45.34 | karsten | egg: Sort of like a bank. |
| 06:45.35 | zorton | foobus: what is your friend doing here? |
| 06:45.40 | karsten | egg: And a networking protocol. |
| 06:45.47 | directhex | mdh, "well, we COULD retake this colony, but the cricket season starts soon..." |
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| 06:45.52 | mdh | vladuz976: :help syntax |
| 06:46.03 | egg | mdh, so? |
| 06:46.10 | jove | i like vim |
| 06:46.15 | foobus | eco engineering |
| 06:46.24 | directhex | zorton, a statictically insignificant number though, given your last election results |
| 06:46.29 | foobus | and she's hott |
| 06:46.31 | zorton | dammit |
| 06:46.33 | Guerin | zorton: what directhex said. |
| 06:46.38 | zorton | I know I know |
| 06:46.53 | zorton | that election made me want to drink heavily |
| 06:47.04 | zorton | here localy the Republicans cleaned house as well |
| 06:47.05 | directhex | i liked those "world election" webpages, that let you fantasy-vote. there are only 2 countries in the world that voted bush in those |
| 06:47.09 | vladuz976 | mdh, i went thru the tutor, vim seems really cool |
| 06:47.09 | egg | mdh, what war? I like it |
| 06:47.45 | zorton | it's the "liberal media" :) |
| 06:47.51 | zorton | and fox news |
| 06:47.52 | foobus | oh christ |
| 06:47.55 | jove | bye all |
| 06:47.57 | caphuso | and this isn't #politics |
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| 06:48.05 | zorton | no kidding |
| 06:48.06 | foobus | okay, okay |
| 06:48.09 | zorton | how about that sarge huh? |
| 06:48.12 | egg | #s**k |
| 06:48.27 | directhex | sock? |
| 06:48.31 | directhex | sink? |
| 06:48.34 | egg | ... |
| 06:48.34 | Guerin | sack |
| 06:48.40 | zorton | mop? |
| 06:48.43 | egg | sick |
| 06:48.49 | axo | sook |
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| 06:48.56 | Guerin | sick. |
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| 06:49.09 | mdh | vladuz976: it is. its got so much functionality I'm still learning new stuff, and I've been using it for... umm... 8 years? |
| 06:49.47 | zorton | I just went from vi to emacs abit ago |
| 06:49.58 | egg | how old is vim? |
| 06:50.07 | zorton | quite a bit I think |
| 06:50.16 | karsten | mdh: I've been using it for ~18 (well, counting BSD vi), and I'm picking up stuff myself. |
| 06:50.22 | egg | 20+ ? |
| 06:50.22 | initech | caphuso: #politics is full of nazis! |
| 06:50.30 | karsten | mdh: Finally figured out split buffers a month or so back. |
| 06:50.49 | karsten | egg: It was written in the late 1970s, ~1976-8, by Bill Joy. |
| 06:50.56 | karsten | egg: ...at UC Berkeley. |
| 06:50.57 | foobus | hahah |
| 06:51.16 | mdh | karsten: my lastest was a practical use for quickfix mode. I've known about quickfix but never really used it. |
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| 06:51.49 | egg | 28 years old ? O_O |
| 06:51.55 | egg | old guy |
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| 06:52.07 | karsten | mdh: WTF is quickfix? |
| 06:52.22 | Guerin | emacs is older |
| 06:52.29 | zorton | I like emac's ssh edit mode better |
| 06:52.34 | zorton | tab completion and such |
| 06:52.35 | egg | vi too |
| 06:52.41 | karsten | mdh: Ah. compiler stuff. |
| 06:52.43 | initech | emacs is the bomb |
| 06:52.44 | Guerin | (gentlemen, start your flamethrowers!) |
| 06:52.47 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah, but not on 'Nix. |
| 06:52.53 | mdh | karsten: not quite |
| 06:52.55 | egg | initech, ? |
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| 06:53.02 | Guerin | karsten: irrelevant. |
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| 06:53.16 | zorton | isn't there a paintball war over editors every year or so? |
| 06:53.18 | mdh | karsten: anything that produces output including line numbers can be easily edited using quickfix commands |
| 06:53.24 | karsten | Guerin: No, it's not irrelevant. |
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| 06:53.28 | karsten | Guerin: ...it's irreverant. |
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| 06:53.49 | karsten | zorton: Yes. And the vi team usually wins. |
| 06:53.53 | mdh | karsten: eg, you jump straight to that file on that line, jump to prev/next mentioned line numbers &/or files, etc |
| 06:54.01 | karsten | zorton: Better carpal tunnels, I wot. |
| 06:54.04 | egg | Guerin, it is stuck |
| 06:54.06 | initech | karsten: why vi wins all the time i don't know |
| 06:54.10 | cmihai | Hm... |
| 06:54.13 | Guerin | egg: ? |
| 06:54.26 | karsten | mdh: Yeah. It's a compiler / build environment thing. I don't do C. |
| 06:54.27 | zorton | karsten: emacs team must be thinking of a cool script to take out other team members |
| 06:54.42 | egg | Guerin, (flamethrower) |
| 06:54.45 | mdh | karsten: has nothing to do with a compiler or a language |
| 06:54.45 | karsten | zorton: They've got mismatched parens somewhere.... |
| 06:54.47 | initech | at work we fight over this all the time, and I am the lone emacs user |
| 06:54.55 | initech | i could take them all on |
| 06:54.59 | karsten | mdh: OK. |
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| 06:55.13 | mdh | karsten: they're just an example of something that the mode is quite useful with :) |
| 06:55.15 | cmihai | I'm going for painball next week.... I wonder... |
| 06:55.16 | n3x_ | Does anyone know the way to do this using iptables: route 192.168.0.0/16 to rule ONE and route everyting else to rule TWO |
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| 06:55.19 | Guerin | nothing beats xemacs' multi-tty gnuservability |
| 06:55.21 | zorton | karsten: haven't had the problem myself, but I have had a wicked time getting it to reformat stuff sometimes |
| 06:55.21 | pengo | is there a "notepad" team too? |
| 06:55.23 | cmihai | I'm the only Emacs user there lol |
| 06:55.24 | Guerin | it's the shit |
| 06:55.58 | jm_ | Guerin: vim also has "client/server" option |
| 06:56.01 | kenk | liable, thanks for your 'mount' command with the installation cdrom. It works great. One small problem. When I try to use the editor, it says "Terminal error: bterm". When I type 'xterm', the command is not accepted. |
| 06:56.14 | Guerin | jm_: aiui it's not multi-tty, though. |
| 06:56.25 | initech | tho bill joy would probably kick stallman's ass at anything involving moving, that's true |
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| 06:56.36 | mdh | Guerin: yes it is |
| 06:56.38 | directhex | why? |
| 06:56.43 | Guerin | mdh: oh, cool. |
| 06:56.47 | jm_ | Guerin: what do you mean with multi-tty? |
| 06:56.48 | directhex | stallman is known to be a rather energetic dancer |
| 06:56.55 | mdh | Guerin: but you're right, gnuserv is cool |
| 06:56.56 | cmihai | Break a leg... |
| 06:56.57 | liable | kenk: what editor? |
| 06:56.58 | cmihai | Or a hand... |
| 06:56.59 | egg | in vim... :!myprogram <- nice oh |
| 06:57.00 | initech | directhex: man i don't want to see that |
| 06:57.10 | kenk | liable, nano |
| 06:57.14 | Guerin | jm_: run your serv on some random terminal, open client windows on any other random terminal |
| 06:57.22 | karsten | n3x_: sounds like a source rule. |
| 06:57.22 | zorton | *sigh* this is the trouble with using crosscompiles on your kernel, if you find a bug you have to recompile the whole thing on intel machines |
| 06:57.31 | jm_ | Guerin: yes, that's the point of client/server option |
| 06:57.45 | n3x_ | karsten: yea but HOW do i do it |
| 06:57.48 | mdh | Guerin: the *one* thing gnuserv has going for it is that you can launch emacs as a service then use it from anywhere |
| 06:58.04 | liable | kenk: try vi/vim, sorry dont really know about that error. |
| 06:58.09 | zorton | mdh: if you can remap the stinkin control key to the caps lock :) |
| 06:58.09 | concept10 | anyone older than 21 here? |
| 06:58.15 | mdh | Guerin: whereas if I launch gvim as a server, if X dies so does the vim "server" |
| 06:58.19 | zorton | not that i'll admit to |
| 06:58.21 | Guerin | jm_: hrm, i recall having this debate with some vidiots once before and them saying it couldn't. |
| 06:58.23 | initech | concept10: probably most everyone |
| 06:58.32 | concept10 | I need legal help |
| 06:58.32 | Guerin | mdh: serve you right for using gvim |
| 06:58.39 | Guerin | concept10: get a lawyer |
| 06:58.41 | zorton | uhhh |
| 06:58.42 | karsten | n3x_: I avoid dealing w/ iptables if I can.... |
| 06:58.49 | n3x_ | heh |
| 06:58.50 | zorton | #legal? |
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| 06:58.58 | concept10 | i just got chased by the police |
| 06:59.08 | zorton | bahaha |
| 06:59.10 | concept10 | seriously |
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| 06:59.15 | karsten | !tell knoppix about knoppix |
| 06:59.22 | Guerin | concept10: why? |
| 06:59.25 | initech | concept10: well, you ran? and got away? |
| 06:59.31 | concept10 | initech, yes |
| 06:59.39 | initech | concept10: well good for you |
| 06:59.40 | cmihai | who'd'u kill ?! |
| 06:59.45 | concept10 | initech, they cant catch my car |
| 06:59.46 | mdh | concept10: now give that nice old lady her handbag back, you bastard ;P |
| 06:59.48 | kenk | laible, that's ok. Nano is the only editor available for the installation process. |
| 06:59.54 | Guerin | concept10: you're fucked, mate. |
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| 07:00.06 | directhex | concept10, nice one. if you weren't in shit before, you are now |
| 07:00.06 | concept10 | Guerin, are you in the us> |
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| 07:00.06 | cmihai | They have cameras dude |
| 07:00.08 | cmihai | You're fucked. |
| 07:00.13 | zorton | concept10: call the girls parents and try and convence them you thought she was 18 |
| 07:00.14 | initech | concept10: for speeding or something stupid like that? |
| 07:00.21 | Guerin | concept10: throw your stash, delete all your kiddy porn, give your weapons to someone for safe keeping. |
| 07:00.22 | pengo | concept10, were you using unlicensed software? |
| 07:00.22 | concept10 | Will they come to my house? |
| 07:00.23 | liable | kenk: if you have chrooted in, you should be able to run vi, or whatever. |
| 07:00.27 | Guerin | they's a-comin' for you |
| 07:00.31 | directhex | concept10, yes. they will. |
| 07:00.34 | concept10 | im serious guys |
| 07:00.39 | cmihai | concept10: and knock your door down. |
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| 07:00.41 | initech | concept10: yeah, what guerin said |
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| 07:00.47 | Guerin | concept10: if they have any brain cells to rub together. |
| 07:00.48 | cmihai | concept10: why did you ran away for ?! |
| 07:00.50 | directhex | concept10, whatever you did, you've made it 10 times worse |
| 07:00.52 | concept10 | because if youre telling the truth im about to leave |
| 07:01.02 | Guerin | concept10: oh, THAT'LL help |
| 07:01.09 | concept10 | I have another car |
| 07:01.13 | cmihai | concept10: why did you run, really ?! |
| 07:01.20 | mdh | concept10: does SWAT mean anything to you? |
| 07:01.34 | DanielN_atw | i've got a problem with updating my apt-sources! following error: "W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
| 07:01.35 | DanielN_atw | " |
| 07:01.36 | cmihai | concept10: what the hell are you running for ?! |
| 07:01.38 | concept10 | I was in my lowrider, they pulled me at a traffic light and I took off |
| 07:01.39 | kenk | laible, right, didn't think of that. |
| 07:01.41 | initech | concept10: dude, i hope you had a good reason to run away, because they WILL fuck you |
| 07:01.49 | Guerin | bah, just give yourself up |
| 07:02.02 | zorton | concept10: you could just put a tarp over your rig and spend the night pissing your pants |
| 07:02.04 | cmihai | WHY the fuck did you run for? Dead girl in the trunk ?! |
| 07:02.06 | Guerin | you'll get a whole shitload less than if you try to Steve McQueen it to the border |
| 07:02.07 | directhex | DanielN_atw, this is what happens when you run unstable indiscriminantly |
| 07:02.14 | Guerin | concept10: or live boy :) |
| 07:02.15 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:02.17 | concept10 | I didnt do nothing wrong |
| 07:02.18 | Guerin | cmihai: ^^^ |
| 07:02.29 | directhex | concept10, if you did nothing wrong, why did you run? |
| 07:02.34 | concept10 | I just didnt want to talk, ready to come home |
| 07:02.38 | DanielN_atw | directhex, i'll get debian kernel sources from ubuntu hoary, that's all |
| 07:02.38 | cmihai | You didn't do anything wrong ?! You ran. |
| 07:02.39 | aphax | running away from police is wrong though isn't it? |
| 07:02.43 | zorton | the trunk full of dead cats and rubber gloves? |
| 07:02.47 | initech | concept10: so they flagged you down for some reason unknown to you, and you sped off? that's all? |
| 07:02.50 | cmihai | 0_o |
| 07:02.52 | directhex | concept10, it could have been something as trivial as a broken taillight. now you're a fugitive |
| 07:02.57 | concept10 | initech, YES |
| 07:02.57 | mdh | concept10: running away from police when they try to stop you is silly |
| 07:03.03 | cmihai | concept10: did they chase you ?! |
| 07:03.10 | mdh | concept10: they were probably hot chicks who liked your car |
| 07:03.10 | Guerin | concept10: just ring the cop shop and tell them you're coming in. |
| 07:03.20 | mdh | concept10: and wanted a more detailed inspection |
| 07:03.30 | concept10 | cmihai, yes, they cant catch my car, I have a 350V8 |
| 07:03.34 | cmihai | concept10: you'll probably get arrested... |
| 07:03.39 | aphax | i suppose being a serial killer or rapist would be a valid reason to run away from the police though |
| 07:03.40 | directhex | concept10, not for long you don't |
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| 07:03.48 | cmihai | loool |
| 07:03.49 | concept10 | sorry guys for this I dont know what to do |
| 07:03.52 | Guerin | concept10: just ring the cop shop and tell them you're coming in. |
| 07:03.57 | directhex | concept10, STOP FUCKING RUNNING YOU MORON |
| 07:03.58 | cmihai | They can't catch your car... who the hell do you think you are ;) |
| 07:03.59 | initech | heh, i got arrested after being pulled over for a broken tail light |
| 07:03.59 | directhex | that's what |
| 07:04.10 | mdh | the cops here have some modded Impreza WRX's... |
| 07:04.19 | foobus | tell the story... |
| 07:04.28 | concept10 | Will they come to my house, ive been here for 20 mins? |
| 07:04.33 | karsten | n3x_: Sorry, modem bounce. |
| 07:04.35 | cmihai | concept10: yes they will. |
| 07:04.39 | karsten | n3x_: iptables -A <chain> -s 192.168.0.0/16 -J chain |
| 07:04.43 | Guerin | concept10: takes longer than that to get a swat team together |
| 07:04.44 | zorton | is the car registered in your name? |
| 07:04.49 | initech | concept10: well if they have your plate, they might |
| 07:04.51 | cmihai | If they chased you, or saw your car / number, yes. |
| 07:04.55 | karsten | n3x_: ...or something like that. As I said, I don't do this stuff much. |
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| 07:05.08 | directhex | concept10, yes, they will come to your house. you are now a wanted man. |
| 07:05.15 | concept10 | Dammit |
| 07:05.18 | karsten | n3x_: ...what you want is to join to a rule chain on a specific condition. |
| 07:05.18 | zorton | IF the car is in his name |
| 07:05.27 | directhex | concept10, congratulations. |
| 07:05.32 | mdh | concept10: a friend of mine gets pulled over by the cops quite frequently. they like his ute |
| 07:05.43 | sep | concept10: best thing you can do is call them and give yourself up, if they have to catch you your in mutch bigger/smellier shit |
| 07:05.52 | cmihai | concept10: are you by any chance from Texas ?! |
| 07:05.55 | initech | man don't mess with the pigs unless you're willing to go all the way, like that dude who stole a tank |
| 07:05.55 | karsten | concept10: Getting legal advice on IRC is highly dubious. |
| 07:06.00 | Guerin | hell yeah |
| 07:06.07 | Guerin | we're all just making shit up |
| 07:06.07 | concept10 | I knew I should have been a geek instead of a car mechanic today |
| 07:06.08 | directhex | karsten, ssssh, this is the most fun i'm gonna have today |
| 07:06.17 | Guerin | most of us probably haven't even been arrested |
| 07:06.26 | zorton | if they show up, go outside naked |
| 07:06.29 | initech | i've been arrested a few times |
| 07:06.30 | aphax | anyway, I'm having trouble logging in on my debian (woody) colinux 'vm' using ssh, sshd disconnects right after authentication and I can't find any errors in /var/logs/auth.log, are there other places I can look to see what's wrong? |
| 07:06.30 | Guerin | (cue stories from everyone about how many times they've been arrested) |
| 07:06.35 | concept10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.36 | initech | it sucks ass |
| 07:06.43 | Guerin | aphax: ssh -vvv |
| 07:06.46 | streuner | Guerin: what did concept10 say? |
| 07:06.53 | aphax | thanks Guerin |
| 07:06.55 | zorton | apahx: /var/log/system.log I suspect |
| 07:06.56 | mdh | concept10: call up the cops, say you're the driver of <insert your vehicle description> and you got chased by these freaks who you thought were impersonating police officers |
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| 07:07.04 | karsten | aphax: /var/log/daemon.log |
| 07:07.07 | Guerin | streuner: he fled from some cops who pulled him over at a light and now he's scared shitless |
| 07:07.21 | mdh | concept10: and you wanted to call to report the incident, but also just in case they were real police officers |
| 07:07.27 | karsten | Guerin: *after* a traffic stop? |
| 07:07.29 | zorton | or call them up and say you where so high you thought the lights where rabbid bunnies chasing you |
| 07:07.44 | Guerin | karsten: before they actually stopped, i think |
| 07:07.47 | concept10 | mdh, good one, thats my defense |
| 07:07.47 | cmihai | concept10: look, did they actually pursue your vehicle, or they pulled you over, and you just speed off ?! |
| 07:07.48 | initech | you know how american pigs are too, they will show up at your door with like 200 cop cars |
| 07:07.50 | cmihai | BDW if you're from Texas, you're fucked. |
| 07:07.50 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 07:08.08 | zorton | why is he screwed if he's in Texas? |
| 07:08.20 | concept10 | cmihai, they were about to pull me over, and I said FUCK THIS and took OFF |
| 07:08.27 | zorton | karsten: that's a good idea |
| 07:08.31 | foobus | oi |
| 07:08.35 | egg | zorton, Bush? |
| 07:08.41 | zorton | heh |
| 07:08.47 | concept10 | Im dead serious |
| 07:08.50 | mdh | concept10: your concern for your personal safety overrode your law-abiding citizen-ness |
| 07:08.54 | karsten | concept10: Lights & sirens? |
| 07:09.03 | concept10 | karsten, the whole shabang |
| 07:09.08 | zorton | well i've done the same thing, put the car under a tarp for the night and put on fresh clothes in case I ended up getting arrested |
| 07:09.16 | cmihai | BDW police cars have video cameras :) |
| 07:09.31 | zorton | so it's a question of if they got your liscense plate |
| 07:09.42 | concept10 | They have it |
| 07:09.49 | foobus | concept10, it's very probable they were entering your license plate into the service computer before they pulled you over. |
| 07:09.52 | mdh | assume they have it |
| 07:09.55 | initech | concept10: yeah dude this isn't 1975. we live in an orwellian fucking nightmare now, they have everything. |
| 07:09.57 | zorton | in my case no way did he have my plate, so I booked it and hid the car at a friends have |
| 07:10.06 | mdh | unless you've done something to make it difficult for them to get it |
| 07:10.10 | egg | cmihai, great US |
| 07:10.11 | Guerin | iv seen 'cops' man, i kno u cant run away from teh police, they alwys catch u in th end, usually with no shirt on and a gun and some crack in ur pants |
| 07:10.13 | zorton | well then take the car, crash it into a tree, and report it stolen |
| 07:10.18 | egg | cmihai, I like it. |
| 07:10.22 | concept10 | initech, good point, but what can they do, I made it home, I have no police history |
| 07:10.23 | zorton | Guerin: hahaha |
| 07:10.33 | egg | cmihai, (security ^_^) |
| 07:11.03 | initech | concept10: well at worst you can get arrested for whatever it is for fleeing the po-po's |
| 07:11.05 | cmihai | concept10: arrest you, search your place, search your computer for kiddie pr0n (better delete that... dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda), look for pot... dunno |
| 07:11.08 | mdh | concept10: having no prior record is good. go the personal safety line |
| 07:11.08 | concept10 | Please guys, be good hackers and dont do nothing crazy |
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| 07:11.43 | zorton | well non crazy is to get a police scanner see if they are out searching for you |
| 07:11.48 | concept10 | cmihai, I have no porn or drugs |
| 07:11.58 | mdh | concept10: you thought it was some freaks impersonating police officers, and you're calling in case it wasn't because you're a good boy/girl |
| 07:12.02 | initech | concept10: but these days I'm not sure what the fuzz can legally do / not do when they show up |
| 07:12.12 | foobus | any illegal copies of music? |
| 07:12.13 | cmihai | Not even warez? |
| 07:12.13 | concept10 | I dont think they will show |
| 07:12.22 | foobus | movies? |
| 07:12.25 | mdh | initech: what they can legally do and what they actually do is also a grey area in some cases |
| 07:12.47 | concept10 | If they were going to show, they would have been here by now |
| 07:12.50 | zorton | concept10: is the car in the garage or sitting on the street like a dumbass? |
| 07:12.53 | initech | mdh: well yeah they usually do what the fuck they want, but I was thinking of searches |
| 07:12.53 | Guerin | man |
| 07:12.56 | karsten | concept10: get a lawyer, don't say anything, do what you need to do legally, but no more than. |
| 07:13.04 | Guerin | this is some stupid shit |
| 07:13.05 | karsten | concept10: ...until you've got specific instruction from a lawyer. |
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| 07:13.28 | karsten | concept10: Law moves slow and very steady. |
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| 07:13.34 | nvz | must still be sunday somewhere in the world |
| 07:13.39 | concept10 | I hope you guys are not logging this :) :D |
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| 07:13.48 | nvz | oh thats right, its always sunday in #debian |
| 07:13.48 | karsten | !sunday |
| 07:13.48 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 07:13.50 | zorton | uhhhhh |
| 07:13.53 | liable | concept10: the fbi prolly is. |
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| 07:14.01 | karsten | concept10: bash.org feed, and we've got your IP. |
| 07:14.10 | initech | i had un-uniformed pigs break into my house once and point guns at me, they thought I was robbing my own house |
| 07:14.11 | mdh | concept10: we don't have to, the FBI already took over zorton's irc proxy server |
| 07:14.17 | concept10 | I dont care they shouldnt have pulled me anyway |
| 07:14.22 | nvz | concept10: of course #debian is being logged |
| 07:14.23 | zorton | mdh: oh yeah, i forgot about that |
| 07:14.30 | zorton | dude, your f*ck'd |
| 07:14.44 | nvz | concept10: Piggy is watching j00 |
| 07:14.49 | concept10 | no im not, I still have the heat |
| 07:14.53 | cmihai | mp3's ?! |
| 07:14.53 | cmihai | They can still arest you, and take away your driver's license.... |
| 07:15.07 | zorton | although it's not my server, I just run a proxy on a friends server |
| 07:15.15 | mdh | concept10: the cops can pull you over anytime. If you had a decent yet legal street machine they probably were just car nuts wanting a perve. |
| 07:15.23 | concept10 | I shouldnt have run my mouth on here |
| 07:15.33 | foobus | you're pulling our leg |
| 07:15.39 | mdh | concept10: and remember, hot female cops need lovin' too ;) |
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| 07:15.42 | zorton | I think some of the solutions where good |
| 07:15.50 | zorton | the stolen car idea was very good |
| 07:16.08 | concept10 | What is the latest patch to Sarge's kernel? |
| 07:16.24 | karsten | concept10: If you're being interrogated by a female cop ... |
| 07:16.27 | nvz | mdh: better get a gimp suit, a two headed dildo, whip and a love swing if you are gonna date a cop |
| 07:16.37 | Shorty_ | I was wondering if anyone here had done per user resource limiting at a kernel level? |
| 07:16.40 | karsten | concept10: ... and she says "anything you say can and will be held against you" ... |
| 07:16.44 | karsten | concept10: ... do *not* say ... |
| 07:16.48 | karsten | concept10: "Tits" |
| 07:16.54 | zorton | or "j0 ass" |
| 07:17.03 | concept10 | heh |
| 07:17.17 | egg | OhSmiTt_, I make sense .... U.S is a GREAT country |
| 07:17.18 | nvz | at least.. I'd also have to take her cuffs and her gun |
| 07:17.22 | Shorty_ | I need something that will stop a particular user from using too much cpu/memory time |
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| 07:17.38 | zorton | concept10: seriously though, wait it out and if nothing happens hire a PI to see if your car is listed as wanted |
| 07:17.43 | egg | nice |
| 07:17.47 | cmihai | quota |
| 07:17.48 | karsten | Shorty_: man ulimit |
| 07:17.53 | concept10 | I dont care, the way things have been going for me lately, im all fscked up |
| 07:17.55 | zorton | concept10: if it is, suck it up and call a laywer |
| 07:18.15 | egg | zorton, haha |
| 07:18.18 | concept10 | im selling that car next week |
| 07:18.20 | Shorty_ | karsten; will do |
| 07:18.28 | cmihai | concept10: that's dumb. |
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| 07:18.40 | cmihai | Now they'll think you're an axe murderer for sure. |
| 07:18.43 | zorton | concept10: well the trouble is the registration is in your name, the car dosen't matter really, it's the plate |
| 07:18.48 | concept10 | I still cant believe I got away |
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| 07:19.00 | karsten | Shorty_: .. and /etc/pam.d/login |
| 07:19.08 | ILoveLinux | God works in mysterious ways |
| 07:19.14 | nvz | pigs have short legs.. its easy to get away |
| 07:19.16 | zorton | it's accually not that hard, just go fast enough that they worry you'll hurt someone if they chase you and the'll back off |
| 07:19.19 | cmihai | Got away with what ?! murder? 1 |
| 07:19.34 | nvz | even in the squadcar, they can only push the pedal so far |
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| 07:19.49 | concept10 | ILoveLinux, I think god was on my side for once more. My chances are done. |
| 07:19.51 | zorton | then they'll put out a search on your car and when you do ANYTHING with the plate you'll get arrested |
| 07:20.08 | karsten | Shorty_: ...or /etc/login.defs |
| 07:20.08 | concept10 | zorton, I dont drive that car |
| 07:20.28 | ILoveLinux | with God, chances do not end |
| 07:20.31 | zorton | dosen't matter, the poor smuck that buys it from you goes to register it and puts in the VIN |
| 07:20.36 | sep | concept10: 'got away' lol, if they got your plate, they either, come to your house ask what you'r up too, or just send a court order, if thei'r lazy they just note it up and ask you about it when you meet police in the future. |
| 07:21.08 | ILoveLinux | it did not hear all the conversation but is basically fear vs. faith |
| 07:21.09 | concept10 | sep, thanks. I will just wait for the future |
| 07:21.22 | karsten | concept10: One possible point to your favor: if they didn't ID you in the car, they know the car, but not the driver. |
| 07:21.39 | zorton | hence the stolen idea |
| 07:21.43 | sep | concept10: friend of mine didn't get a job requiering a police certificate of becouse he did a stunt like that on MC once. they didnt bother following him, just a waste. but got even in the long run :P |
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| 07:21.47 | karsten | concept10: ...though what obligations are in that case, I'm not sure. Sometimes you're responsible for what happened in you car. |
| 07:21.50 | concept10 | karsten, thats what I thought |
| 07:22.04 | concept10 | I didnt do anything bad guys |
| 07:22.17 | concept10 | I just didnt want to talk to the police |
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| 07:22.23 | cmihai | You did. |
| 07:22.23 | cmihai | You ran from the police. |
| 07:22.23 | ILoveLinux | stand on the rock |
| 07:22.29 | zorton | you ran lights and screamed out there? |
| 07:22.33 | karsten | concept10: Tell it to the judge. |
| 07:22.39 | concept10 | karsten, heh |
| 07:22.47 | zorton | considering your probaly not trained to run at those speeds you could have smacked into someone |
| 07:22.49 | The_Ball | i would like to fill in values in a pdf-form document before i print it, but i don't know what application supports this, kpdf and xpdf does not support "editing/filling in". Anybody know a app that can do this? |
| 07:22.55 | matchsticker | How come there are more gentoo people than debian... |
| 07:23.04 | concept10 | zorton, true but I didnt |
| 07:23.04 | streuner | concept10: why are you afraid to talk to the police? |
| 07:23.06 | zorton | The_Ball: Adobe's is the only one I know of |
| 07:23.18 | concept10 | I dont want to goto jail |
| 07:23.21 | The_Ball | zorton, will the acrobat reader do it? |
| 07:23.29 | ILoveLinux | because a lot of gentoo people are now considering a move to Debian and are looking at the terrain |
| 07:23.32 | zorton | The_Ball: I think so |
| 07:23.41 | zorton | ILoveLinux: why the move? |
| 07:23.58 | matchsticker | ILoveLinux: then they should join us here. |
| 07:24.04 | ILoveLinux | too much compiling and maintenance after initial (lengthy) install |
| 07:24.07 | sep | concept10: then call in, say you did something stupid and want to set things stright. this cops and robbers thing is just stupid |
| 07:24.15 | concept10 | Im done, if I get caught then I deserve it, at least I had the balls to do it |
| 07:24.24 | karsten | ILoveLinux: Gentoo is one step on the long road from Debian to Debian. |
| 07:24.25 | ILoveLinux | i would tend to agree with sep |
| 07:24.26 | zorton | ILoveLinux: in that case i would probaly say something like "well duh!" :0 |
| 07:24.48 | concept10 | I should have stayed home |
| 07:25.01 | karsten | concept10: *Don't* call them until *after* you've talked to a lawyer. |
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| 07:25.26 | zorton | concept10: and don't endanger others lives like that again |
| 07:25.31 | ILoveLinux | zorton: why did you not say that to matchsticker? |
| 07:25.36 | zorton | friend of mine was nailed by someone with too much engine and not enough brains |
| 07:25.38 | nvz | everyone knows you got to call a liar and get your story straight before talking to the cops |
| 07:25.48 | concept10 | karsten, you know what? they cant prove anything, terminal > uptime |
| 07:25.50 | nvz | s/liar/lawyer/ ;) |
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| 07:25.56 | zorton | ILoveLinux: didn't catch his message |
| 07:26.09 | cmihai | concept10: sure. I mean, the video of you in your car rushing away is nothing. |
| 07:26.12 | zorton | concept10: that's the system uptime, not the terminal |
| 07:26.24 | ILoveLinux | i ran gentoo.... then ran away from it. |
| 07:26.26 | cmihai | All cop cars have video cameras you know... |
| 07:26.47 | nvz | b.s. |
| 07:26.48 | zorton | accually that's the main reason I never was impressed with Gentoo, no packaging to speak of |
| 07:26.56 | concept10 | cmihai, I iknow they got my plate, but they didnt see me |
| 07:26.58 | ILoveLinux | its not bad... just did not meet my needs |
| 07:27.12 | zorton | never saw the point really |
| 07:27.22 | Guerin | there is no point |
| 07:27.31 | concept10 | okay guys, sorry for the disruption, I didnt know what to do |
| 07:27.46 | emptied | Guerin, it makes people feel special |
| 07:27.48 | cmihai | concept10: doesn't really matter. That car didn't drive all by it's self. Now call a layer :> |
| 07:27.50 | zorton | although i will give gentoo this: the install process teaches people that installers do nothing special, just untar files |
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| 07:28.12 | ILoveLinux | actually gentoo is cool in my opinion for learning linux and cool machines but it is a pain on reducing maintenance (again IMHO) |
| 07:28.13 | nvz | some have cameras, some have laptops, some laptops may be internet connected some not, some may have dogs and shotguns, others wont some may have spike strips, window tint checkers, defibulators and breathalizers.. some wont |
| 07:28.41 | nvz | its not like all cops have or know how to use everything you see on cops on tv |
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| 07:28.58 | karsten | zorton: Heh. I figured that out w/ Debian. |
| 07:28.59 | cmihai | Assume the worst, hope for the best. |
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| 07:29.21 | zorton | Most of the cops i've known are pretty boring guys |
| 07:29.29 | Guerin | emptied: makes special people feel special |
| 07:29.35 | zorton | state troopers on the other hand have great stories |
| 07:29.36 | emptied | Guerin, LOL |
| 07:29.48 | karsten | zorton: ...the key to a Debian chroot install. You're installing packages, configuring some basic settings, partitioning, installing a kernel, and configuring a bootloader. Not necessarially in that order. |
| 07:30.02 | ILoveLinux | concept10: probably the best advice is to get your support group together and then proactively call the cops. guilty people do not get back in touch on their own. |
| 07:30.07 | emptied | ILoveLinux, it is useful as a learning tool but as an actual distro I have better uses for my cycles ;) |
| 07:30.08 | sayadune | hi |
| 07:30.22 | zorton | karsten: yeah, my point is that most installer front ends hide the underpinnings from users |
| 07:30.31 | karsten | zorton: Oi. |
| 07:30.35 | Guerin | my BIL is a cop - when we told him we were going on a honeymoon roadtrip without valid licenses, he said just to be careful, and if we were stopped, say we were visiting a relative in the next town |
| 07:30.40 | zorton | so they sometimes don't understand the full process. Gentoo made it so people have to learn that part of it |
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| 07:31.01 | cmihai | BIL ?! |
| 07:31.06 | Guerin | rother in law |
| 07:31.11 | Guerin | b+ |
| 07:31.13 | cmihai | :) |
| 07:31.19 | zorton | State Troopers don't have backup, so they have to use their heads and keep things calmed down |
| 07:31.20 | egg | what law? |
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| 07:31.26 | zorton | at least the ones up here |
| 07:31.55 | nvz | shit.. you must live far far far away from a trooper barracks or have no govt funding |
| 07:31.56 | Guerin | zorton: you don't really have to learn anything with gentoo - you just have to copy and paste from the install scripts |
| 07:32.47 | nvz | state troopers always get the best toys. and they usually call in the locals for backup unless they are close to the barracks |
| 07:32.48 | ottoaim | sunday is great. I love concept10 for some good reading |
| 07:32.54 | Schiz0 | Gentoo is based of debian right? |
| 07:32.59 | Guerin | Schiz0: no way. |
| 07:33.09 | Schiz0 | Hm. |
| 07:33.18 | Schiz0 | Then it's Ubuntu that is, right? |
| 07:33.24 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:33.26 | sep | !based on |
| 07:33.35 | liable | Schiz0: heh, go say that in #gentoo, see what response you get. :P |
| 07:33.42 | Schiz0 | Haha. |
| 07:33.43 | sep | !based on debian |
| 07:33.44 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 07:33.57 | ILoveLinux | gentoo came out of Sorcerrer (sp?) Linux |
| 07:34.05 | emptied | Sourceror |
| 07:34.05 | sep | hmm and i think that list is acxtualy way to short |
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| 07:34.20 | The_Ball | zorton, flpsed does the job nicely! |
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| 07:35.07 | shy | poijh |
| 07:35.20 | ILoveLinux | I looked at sourcerer and did not really embrace the idea of casting spells to get stuff workin ok. |
| 07:35.20 | raf256 | do I need special kernel to use VPN? |
| 07:35.30 | streuner | no |
| 07:35.30 | sep | raf256: no |
| 07:35.33 | ILoveLinux | that led to gentoo |
| 07:35.42 | shy | poiuy |
| 07:35.49 | raf256 | cool... so what for are thoes openswan kernel patches actually? |
| 07:36.08 | sep | raf256: and vpn is a collection of different implementations so one could say, depends on what implementation you plan to use. |
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| 07:36.44 | raf256 | what info do I need from a VPN network admin to connect to it? like host? username/pass? I want just to connect to other VPN (and perhaps in addition to create own separate VPN) |
| 07:36.57 | Guerin | raf256: rtfm |
| 07:37.00 | Guerin | raf256: jesus |
| 07:37.07 | raf256 | Guerin: allach \o/ |
| 07:37.17 | Guerin | see |
| 07:37.23 | cmihai | Erm right.... Disable C+M+Backspace in X ...grrr |
| 07:37.23 | sep | me!! |
| 07:37.31 | nvz | I havent tried doing a VPN since I used win95 probably. |
| 07:37.33 | Guerin | most people get smarter as time goes on, but raf256 gets stupider and stupider |
| 07:37.53 | raf256 | Guerin: same as your brilliant remakrs |
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| 07:38.20 | nvz | its a nice way to connect two lans directly across the internet though |
| 07:38.40 | ILoveLinux | nvz: what have you been using instead? |
| 07:38.47 | shy | do i know you |
| 07:38.50 | raf256 | linux lax good manuals - most of them dont have good Example section |
| 07:38.59 | raf256 | *lacks (omg) |
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| 07:39.11 | nvz | I havent been doing it, but you could use ssh or something to tunnel and its pretty much same as VPN using other methods and protocols |
| 07:39.18 | sep | raf256: your question makes no sence since you dont say what kind of vpn you use. |
| 07:39.20 | emptied | raf256, have you looked? or are you assuming |
| 07:39.34 | mdh | raf256: so submit a bug report against the package if you think its documentation is incorrect or incomplete |
| 07:39.36 | sep | raf256: yeah it's a pain, you have to actualy understand it and just not copy paste from the examples |
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| 07:39.42 | zorton | raf256: the biggest thing you'll need is to know which particular protocl they are using |
| 07:39.43 | sep | :) |
| 07:39.49 | valdyn | raf256: vpn is a genereal term, the way you acticate / use it depends on the implementation you use. |
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| 07:40.00 | emptied | sep, OMFGWTFBBQ i m goin bak to xp this shit suxx0rz |
| 07:40.03 | kjparker | hi i was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction to getting my usb printer working |
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| 07:40.11 | sep | emptied: hehehe |
| 07:40.14 | nvz | raf256: you could fix that :P |
| 07:40.15 | mdh | raf256: along with a patch of course correcting/writing/etc the doco |
| 07:40.36 | ILoveLinux | i got kinda scared of ssh when I saw brute force attacks coming in on port 122 with every user name in the dictionary |
| 07:40.45 | raf256 | sep: best way is to learn on examples, what do you learn better from "cp old new" "cp -r oldDir newDir" "cd -rla foo archive.with.links" or from 100 lines of text? |
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| 07:40.49 | ILoveLinux | oops ... port 22 |
| 07:40.56 | sep | kjparker: i'd start with /msg dpkg cups |
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| 07:41.02 | raf256 | zorton: O_o |
| 07:41.04 | emptied | raf256, if you are going to rely on something to keep you secure don't you think it would help to understand it? |
| 07:41.05 | kjparker | when i do a dmesg, i can see that it's been recognised, i just cant use it |
| 07:41.25 | zorton | more like "Instant Fiber" spell |
| 07:41.35 | iLLf8d | ILoveLinux, heh just set hosts.allow/deny and AllowUsers line in your ssh file and it'll drop then right away and use ssh keys with a passphrase |
| 07:41.36 | cmihai | ILoveLinux: so don't allow root logins, run it on another port, use a firewall, or key based auth ...dunno |
| 07:41.36 | liable | kjparker: cant even print a test page? |
| 07:41.37 | nvz | ILoveLinux: sounds like they would have a hard time getting into my system with that lame approach |
| 07:41.46 | kjparker | liable, i cant see it as a printer |
| 07:41.47 | nvz | I dont run ssh for one thing, but even if I did |
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| 07:41.59 | liable | kjparker: in the cups admin page? |
| 07:42.09 | ILoveItInTheA55 | ILoveLinux: \/o |
| 07:42.17 | zorton | ewww |
| 07:42.49 | Raf256 | so... just google VPN? or do Debian have a good docs included? |
| 07:43.02 | Guerin | Raf256: pick an implementation and read its docs. |
| 07:43.08 | zorton | Raf: as was said before, VPN is a generic term |
| 07:43.11 | Raf256 | there are several? omg.. |
| 07:43.12 | Guerin | Raf256: then pick another and repeat. |
| 07:43.17 | Guerin | Raf256: NO SHIT MAN |
| 07:43.25 | Guerin | Raf256: WE DIDN'T JUST MAKE IT UP |
| 07:43.26 | colera | can i get x.org in debian? |
| 07:43.29 | Guerin | colera: no. |
| 07:43.35 | kjparker | lol, i should probably get cups first |
| 07:43.36 | kjparker | :) |
| 07:43.45 | mdh | colera: it'll take a lot of work, but possibly. |
| 07:43.46 | liable | that would help, yes. |
| 07:43.49 | Raf256 | Guerin: that sucks donkey ass (x.org) btw, it have been for like YEARS in other distros |
| 07:43.52 | colera | Guerin: considered unstable i take it? |
| 07:43.57 | mdh | colera: your best bet is to help an existing port |
| 07:43.59 | concept10 | Im safe, (so far) thanks #debian!!! |
| 07:44.11 | zorton | concept10: we didn't do jack |
| 07:44.14 | zorton | btw, your an idiot |
| 07:44.15 | zorton | :) |
| 07:44.17 | Guerin | colera: not even in unstable or experimental. There are packages available, but you get to find and figure them out yourself. |
| 07:44.28 | emptied | Raf256, then use other distros |
| 07:44.33 | colera | Guerin: thanks |
| 07:44.43 | Raf256 | emptied: Im installing gentoo64 tommorow in addition \o/ |
| 07:44.47 | zorton | wasn't there a VPN howto? |
| 07:44.59 | emptied | Raf256, s/tomorrow/all this week/ |
| 07:45.00 | Guerin | Raf256: you mean 'this week' |
| 07:45.02 | Guerin | hah |
| 07:45.04 | concept10 | zorton, thats mean |
| 07:45.06 | mdh | concept10: when SWAT wake you at 4:30 am, don't forget to say bye to us before you leave |
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| 07:45.13 | Raf256 | yes, this week ;) I have time.. and amd2800 |
| 07:45.15 | zorton | concept10: I meant it in a joking way |
| 07:45.22 | zorton | concept10: but, really, that was a dumb mood |
| 07:45.23 | emptied | Guerin, I fucking love you, even if we fight over djb :P |
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| 07:45.33 | Guerin | !aww |
| 07:45.33 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 07:45.37 | colera | what's everyones favorite place to get tight wallpaper? |
| 07:45.45 | colera | besides customize.org |
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| 07:45.49 | Guerin | colera: HomeDepot? |
| 07:45.51 | Raf256 | emptied: fell free to use my prebious nick then |
| 07:45.54 | zorton | Raf256: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/networking.html#NETVPN |
| 07:45.58 | colera | Guerin: :P |
| 07:46.13 | zorton | Raf256: start with the VPN-HOWTO to get an idea of what your looking for |
| 07:46.24 | concept10 | tight wall paper? it that the kind without wrinkles? |
| 07:46.41 | Raf256 | well I will just email my admin wtf is type of this VPN |
| 07:46.43 | emptied | concept10, yes you take a 64x64 icon and stretch to fit |
| 07:46.47 | zorton | Raf256: it's like any other technology out there, learn the basics of what it is doing before you tweak with it |
| 07:46.53 | nvz | colera: the gimp? |
| 07:47.03 | emptied | colera, art.gnome.org has some cool shit |
| 07:47.06 | concept10 | emptied, ahhhh a gnome guy |
| 07:47.19 | Guerin | zorton: Raf256 doesn't believe in that pesky 'learning about stuff before fucking with it' |
| 07:47.23 | emptied | concept10, On hardware that can use it, yeah |
| 07:47.27 | Raf256 | zorton: 95% newe read mans ;) I rather start using something and read while using+learning |
| 07:47.27 | mdh | colera: http://www.gnome-look.org/ |
| 07:47.43 | concept10 | I just want a decent osx theme for gnome |
| 07:47.46 | Raf256 | Guerin: no I dont. Its not like Im performing a sugery on human |
| 07:47.48 | nvz | if your gimp skills are teh lame, you can always script-fu. |
| 07:47.57 | zorton | Raf256: bad strategy for a unix system |
| 07:48.04 | Raf256 | but I actually work at nuclear institute O_o |
| 07:48.11 | Guerin | Raf256: no, you're performing butchery on, among other things, the english language |
| 07:48.12 | zorton | Raf256: I think you'll find you quickly become frustrated |
| 07:48.21 | zorton | DOOM! |
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| 07:48.30 | Raf256 | zorton: didnt happened of 15 yrs of programming computers ;) |
| 07:48.38 | emptied | concept10, I really want to find a fisheye Chooser-widget for my quick launch stuff |
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| 07:48.56 | Raf256 | !englishsmite Guerin |
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| 07:49.00 | Raf256 | :/ |
| 07:49.13 | Guerin | Raf256: your talking smites me quite enough |
| 07:49.15 | zorton | Raf256: right, and you can remeber all the function calls and parameters without having to look up something or learn a new API? |
| 07:49.22 | concept10 | zorton, youre right that was dumb now that i think about it |
| 07:49.47 | zorton | concept10: i'm more concerned about your running into someone else |
| 07:50.00 | zorton | concept10: I could care less that you made it away from the cops |
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| 07:50.18 | voltagex | how do I make a mount accessible to all users? |
| 07:50.21 | Raf256 | !englishsmite Guerin |
| 07:50.21 | zorton | concept10: j0 own problem sucka. But you could easily have killed someone. Racing is for the tracks with nice concrete walls |
| 07:50.36 | emptied | voltagex, chmod |
| 07:50.39 | Raf256 | zorton: no, I use man, |
| 07:50.47 | concept10 | zorton, I really would have been in deep shlt, no one out at this time of nite, I know my area well, but thats no excuse |
| 07:50.47 | Raf256 | zorton: others I memorized while using them |
| 07:50.50 | emptied | voltagex, unless you want all users to be able to actually mount it |
| 07:50.59 | voltagex | emptied: chmodding 40gb of files takes time |
| 07:51.03 | Guerin | Raf256: ENOTLEARNING |
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| 07:51.14 | emptied | voltagex, they are not already readable? |
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| 07:51.19 | zorton | concept10: that's the type of assumption that has resulted in me scrapping people off the asphalt |
| 07:51.29 | voltagex | emptied: at the moment it's mounted at boot - only root can access it though |
| 07:51.50 | concept10 | zorton, I just told someone the other day to never run, because people always end up dead |
| 07:51.59 | Raf256 | Guerin: not learning? year ago I had problems installing debian, now I do a full install+setup in hour or two and learn friends to do same |
| 07:52.21 | zorton | concept10: about true. Most cars are not driven by people experienced with high speed stuff. They don't know the car, nor do they know how to stop when they need to |
| 07:52.30 | emptied | voltagex, change the mount point permissions, unless all the files are root.root 600 or something |
| 07:52.31 | Guerin | Raf256: you just did !englishsmite twice in 90 seconds... |
| 07:52.42 | Guerin | ... with identical results, oddly |
| 07:52.49 | voltagex | emptied: err how? |
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| 07:52.55 | Raf256 | Guerin: I did /msg dpkg englishsmite is... is between, Einstein (only I used wrong syntax or something) |
| 07:52.56 | emptied | Guerin, you just learned him :P |
| 07:53.02 | concept10 | zorton, I must thank God I made it here. |
| 07:53.19 | Guerin | emptied: i forgot more than he ever learned... |
| 07:53.30 | emptied | voltagex, I am confused by what you want. Are the files restrictive permissions or the mount point? |
| 07:53.31 | zorton | concept10: I dunno, just go piss your pants and hope for the best |
| 07:53.51 | zorton | voltagex: what filesystem is it? |
| 07:53.52 | emptied | Guerin, some days I feel like I forgot more than I ever learned |
| 07:53.53 | Raf256 | Guerin: at least some of us are not arrogant as you are ;) |
| 07:53.55 | voltagex | emptied: I can't cd to the mount point |
| 07:53.58 | voltagex | NTFS |
| 07:54.03 | abyss | lo i have a shellscript for starting edonkey. if i klick in the filebrowser on it it will be executet, but if i put it into a starter nothing happens, how can i get it work? |
| 07:54.08 | Guerin | i'm not arrogant, i'm fucking right. |
| 07:54.08 | emptied | voltagex, OIC |
| 07:54.12 | concept10 | zorton, my whole idea was to make it home and get arrested at home rather the street, my car is a show car |
| 07:54.25 | zorton | voltagex: you might look into the mount params for NTFS, you might be fighting that |
| 07:54.30 | concept10 | zorton, I didnt want to leave my car on the street |
| 07:54.36 | emptied | voltagex, try to chmod 755 /mnt/foo (whatever the mount point is) |
| 07:54.41 | foobus | arrogant. pht I hate that word. Or the way it's misused. |
| 07:54.44 | Raf256 | Guerin: you sounded like Bush there for a moment |
| 07:54.44 | Guerin | !yinzersmite Raf256 |
| 07:55.18 | Raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.39 | Guerin | ... |
| 07:55.56 | voltagex | read only filesystem |
| 07:55.56 | Raf256 | ok I give up what was the syntax ;) ensmite is <ACTION> making (1|2|3|4|5|6|8|9)(2|1|6|9|0) cups of tee and drawns $1 in it |
| 07:56.13 | emptied | Raf256, you do software dev at a nuclear facility and can't operate an IRC bot? Is that facility 3 mile island, or chernobyl? |
| 07:56.28 | [SemTeX] | my system does not boot after install (hangs after savedfault boot), on which package should i file a bug? |
| 07:56.32 | Raf256 | emptied: can you operate my IRC bot? |
| 07:56.42 | [SemTeX] | initrd-tools or something? |
| 07:56.45 | Raf256 | emptied: that have no docs available and strange syntax? |
| 07:56.46 | voltagex | isn't there a parameter I can put in fstab to give all users access to a mount? |
| 07:56.48 | Guerin | Raf256: /msg dpkg help |
| 07:56.59 | Guerin | Raf256: come on, it's not nuclear physics. |
| 07:57.03 | Schiz0 | Raf256- What type of bot? |
| 07:57.05 | emptied | voltagex, ntfs is not supported in RW mode under default modules... you nmeed to compile it to RW. That said, it's buggy and can easily fuck your whole NTFS partition |
| 07:57.10 | Guerin | voltagex: depends on the filesystem. |
| 07:57.26 | voltagex | dpkg, Raf256 works at a nuclear powerplant but can't operate an IRC bot. |
| 07:57.38 | emptied | Raf256, with enough people dishing out examples I could manage I'd think |
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| 07:57.50 | emptied | Raf256, but remember, you don't need docs, right? :P |
| 07:57.54 | voltagex | aww dpkg is ignoring me |
| 07:57.56 | abyss | hw i can make my starter work, if should run only : home/abyss/eDonkey2000/runDonkey.sh |
| 07:57.56 | voltagex | dpkg |
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| 07:58.03 | Raf256 | emptied: I dont |
| 07:58.07 | Raf256 | emptied: I need fucking examples :) |
| 07:58.18 | Raf256 | emptied: give me example of actions instead of doc |
| 07:58.18 | Guerin | dpkg, voltagex is someone who thinks he's smart enough to tease other people for being too stupid to operate an irc bot, but is in fact too stupid to operate said irc bot HIMSELF |
| 07:58.18 | dpkg | ...but voltagex is already something else... |
| 07:58.29 | zorton | Raf: the howto link's that I gave give good examples |
| 07:58.34 | zorton | Raf: that's the point of them really |
| 07:58.41 | Raf256 | !voltagex |
| 07:58.41 | dpkg | voltagex is probably getting better at using linux, or someone who thinks he's smart enough to tease other people for being too stupid to operate an irc bot, but is in fact too stupid to operate said irc bot HIMSELF |
| 07:58.49 | voltagex | I remember setting a parameter in fstab before to get it working before |
| 07:58.54 | Raf256 | hehe I can operate IRC bot after all voltagex ;) |
| 07:58.58 | voltagex | dpkg, forget voltagex |
| 07:59.05 | Raf256 | *Raf256* voltagex is also someone [...] |
| 07:59.07 | liable | hah |
| 07:59.09 | voltagex | arggh |
| 07:59.16 | voltagex | dpkg wont forget me |
| 07:59.21 | Raf256 | voltagex: and I didnt need an doc for it - you see :) ? |
| 07:59.27 | Guerin | wooo |
| 07:59.40 | Guerin | maybe you'll be able to take the trainer wheels off soon |
| 07:59.44 | Raf256 | Guerin: indeed! I will invite you for the nobel prize giving |
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| 08:00.14 | zorton | hey, it's the 4th of july here |
| 08:00.25 | Fleck | here too :) |
| 08:00.26 | zorton | i'll celebrate by making a cup of tea :P |
| 08:00.27 | Raf256 | can you gave me example (or at least doc) for <action> syntax? /msg dpg help doesnt show it. |
| 08:00.31 | Schiz0 | It's been 4th of July here for 4 hours :-P |
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| 08:01.05 | abyss | hmm looking kind of kidding in this channel, no one seems to read the "real" questions. |
| 08:01.15 | Guerin | Raf256: no. UTSL. |
| 08:01.31 | abyss | at this moment |
| 08:01.40 | voltagex | arrghh all I want is access to my windows partition |
| 08:01.42 | Raf256 | !teesmite Guerin |
| 08:01.49 | emptied | abyss, you need the leading slash on that... |
| 08:01.50 | Guerin | abyss: i know nothing about *donkey |
| 08:02.01 | voltagex | drawns? |
| 08:02.12 | emptied | tee? |
| 08:02.19 | Schiz0 | it? |
| 08:02.24 | Raf256 | dont tell me NOW theres a spelling error |
| 08:02.31 | Raf256 | (s) ;) |
| 08:02.34 | abyss | its not the matter donkey Guerin, its the matter how to put a starter in the panel, i see you havent read |
| 08:02.37 | voltagex | s/tee/tea |
| 08:02.43 | Guerin | give him a break, guys, the rads have started to eat into his cerebral cortex |
| 08:02.55 | voltagex | s/drawns/drowns |
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| 08:03.12 | emptied | Guerin, they gave him the "special" desk, with the pretty glass rod sculpture |
| 08:03.15 | Raf256 | Guerin: me using a bot after all implicates your previous opinion about learning was wrong :) |
| 08:03.24 | Raf256 | as was the opinion on docs, I just read one example. |
| 08:03.32 | pengo | rtfm is not the great software paradigm the 21st century will be remembered for. |
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| 08:03.37 | Guerin | abyss: fair enough. you i missed it the first time. |
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| 08:03.53 | Raf256 | emptied: isnt it retareded to pick on others spelling? |
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| 08:03.59 | Guerin | Raf256: no. |
| 08:04.07 | pro | morning guys |
| 08:04.14 | abyss | so where i have to put a slash? |
| 08:04.21 | Raf256 | but it is Guerin according to freenoded politics, if your parents didnt teach you beeing polite |
| 08:04.24 | Guerin | abyss: at the start. come on. |
| 08:04.39 | pro | anyone know if i can run debian on an SGI box? its an SGI O2 ? |
| 08:04.45 | Guerin | Raf256: i'll be nice if you can be smart. |
| 08:04.47 | Raf256 | s/you/emptied |
| 08:04.56 | TinoW | pro: www.debian.org should know |
| 08:05.00 | ILoveLinux | it seems there are more slashes everywhere than anyone needs or can use |
| 08:05.02 | emptied | Raf256, tee? seriously dude, if it was something like "beautiful" or "pubescent" I might cut some slack |
| 08:05.13 | Guerin | pro: there's a mips port, so I'd guess so. |
| 08:05.27 | pro | thanks a lot guys |
| 08:05.36 | ILoveLinux | hey pro |
| 08:05.45 | TinoW | Guerin: I wonder if debian runs on my camera too ;) |
| 08:05.46 | Raf256 | Guerin: but you see, one example of <action> (1 text line) is better for enought smart people then 5 lines of explaining "action is a syntax that starts with a variable $1, followed by a commed-word <action>, and then there is a perl-syntax text with (1|2) for... blah blah |
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| 08:05.55 | emptied | pro, last I checked most of the MIPS ports were ansty, botp installs |
| 08:05.58 | Guerin | TinoW: stranger things have happened. |
| 08:06.16 | pro | i know nothing about hardware other then intel/x86 and ppc, just got a O2 and want to test it out |
| 08:06.21 | emptied | pro, good luck on it though, I had a failed attempt on a Challenge L a few years back |
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| 08:06.24 | Guerin | Raf256: your statement holds in this case, but not in all, or even most. |
| 08:06.27 | Raf256 | Guerin: and most man's do lack thoes example, and they take longer to read, while Im just searching for a small example |
| 08:06.28 | TinoW | Guerin: well no. I guess the lack of documentation makes this next to impossible... |
| 08:06.34 | light_punch2 | . |
| 08:06.40 | Schiz0 | .. |
| 08:06.45 | Raf256 | : |
| 08:06.46 | abyss | ok fair enough to say i didnt understand it yet, thermust be another slash in the front? like //...../..../somethin.sh ? |
| 08:06.50 | light_punch2 | does mac support read/write fat32 file system? |
| 08:07.00 | emptied | anyway, Ninja Gaiden is calling me from the living room- Ryu demands vengeance |
| 08:07.01 | pro | im sure I can get it to work, its just a matter of figuring out what arch this really is? |
| 08:07.12 | Raf256 | light_punch2: it realy should but /j #macos |
| 08:07.13 | TinoW | light_punch2: yes. why? |
| 08:07.23 | emptied | pro Probably MIPS but some SGI stuff is not MIPS so google a bit |
| 08:07.26 | zorton | light_punch2: yes |
| 08:07.29 | Guerin | pro: it'll be mips or nothing, I'd guess. |
| 08:07.46 | pro | cool cool |
| 08:07.48 | light_punch2 | mac gave me a hard time today |
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| 08:08.22 | Raf256 | Guerin: that is true for most cases - few lines of examples are better to 1) refresh memory 2) learn fastly if you suspect how it should work 3) see good examples/common usage |
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| 08:08.38 | light_punch2 | my usb drive is ntfs, and mac won't let me format my usb drive, cause the admin lock the format option |
| 08:08.46 | Raf256 | all mans should have added small examples section in the begining after SYNOPIS imho |
| 08:08.59 | Guerin | Raf256: for you, maybe. I suggest you submit patches to documentation with copious examples. |
| 08:09.03 | zorton | Raf256: most do towards th eend |
| 08:09.04 | light_punch2 | all my data was go 2GB of DVD ISO GONE!!!1 |
| 08:09.18 | Raf256 | zorton: actually very few have examples |
| 08:09.26 | Raf256 | Guerin: yes, why not |
| 08:09.29 | TinoW | light_punch2: when you deal with ntfs, the question about fat is somewhat irrelevant, no? ;) |
| 08:09.34 | abyss | ... |
| 08:09.47 | axo | abyss: /home/abyss/eDonkey2000/runDonkey.sh ..... or chmod a+x ./runDonkey.sh ? |
| 08:09.55 | light_punch2 | TinoW, from now on, i will use fat. |
| 08:09.57 | Guerin | abyss: in your initial example, there was no leading / |
| 08:10.01 | pengo | does listing the contents of a gzip file give me a werid time/date with no year because of my locale, because it's the same as the current year (2005) or because gzip is braindamaged? eg "gzip -lvf data.tar.gz" gives "defla 4f61c669 Feb 5 22:24 10933 30720 64.5% data.tar" |
| 08:11.26 | TinoW | light_punch2: I prefer slim over fat. But macos should be able to read a lot more filesystems. Maybe #macos knows more :) |
| 08:11.51 | abyss | axo : wont work too, tested. but like i said on doubleclick in filebrowser it works |
| 08:12.01 | abyss | Guerin : sorry, dont see that |
| 08:12.10 | abyss | anyone : other idea |
| 08:13.10 | light_punch2 | TinoW, i like the giggly fats |
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| 08:13.29 | Guerin | abyss: call the interpreter yourself? /bin/sh /path/to/the/script |
| 08:13.45 | pallav_ | how can i get more than one task bar?? |
| 08:13.55 | Guerin | pallav_: depends. |
| 08:13.56 | jethro | !irritate pallav_ |
| 08:13.57 | dpkg | pallav_: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 08:14.04 | pallav_ | ubuntu |
| 08:14.16 | Guerin | !ubuntusmite pallav_ |
| 08:14.31 | abyss | /bin/sh /home/abyss/eDonkey2000/runDonkey.sh wont work too |
| 08:14.32 | pallav_ | huh?? |
| 08:14.34 | foobus | haa |
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| 08:14.46 | Guerin | pallav_: please go to #ubuntu |
| 08:14.51 | pallav_ | k |
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| 08:16.07 | light_punch2 | anyone know what SL-1 statnd in the domains of digital phones? |
| 08:16.19 | light_punch2 | anyone know what SL-1 stands for in the domains of digital phones? |
| 08:16.41 | Guerin | !fgi light_punch2 sl-1+digital+phone |
| 08:16.42 | dpkg | light_punch2: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=sl-1+digital+phone |
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| 08:17.53 | light_punch2 | !fgnw Guerin sl-1+digital+phone |
| 08:19.01 | konki | GiFToxic error msg: "You need to spcify a host & port to connect to". any suggestion??? |
| 08:19.13 | Guerin | konki: spcify a host & port to connect to |
| 08:19.22 | Schiz0 | lol. |
| 08:19.39 | Schiz0 | What is GiFToxic? |
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| 08:20.15 | konki | Guerin, where exactly do i specify it in? when i click OK the program automatically closes. |
| 08:20.16 | Guerin | it's a gui gift client |
| 08:20.26 | Guerin | konki: read the documentation for it. |
| 08:20.26 | zorton | that's nice, I goto the IDE-CDROM maintainers web site and get this: http://www.kernel.dk/ |
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| 08:21.48 | Zta | How do I give users access to mount local loopback images? |
| 08:22.00 | Zta | Is it possible without editing /etc/fstab? |
| 08:22.05 | Guerin | Zta: nope |
| 08:22.10 | Zta | And why is it illegal? |
| 08:22.12 | Guerin | Zta: well, you can use sudo |
| 08:22.21 | konki | Guerin, you mean the help menu? the program doesn't even run. |
| 08:22.33 | Guerin | but it's very unwise to give sudo access to mount |
| 08:22.38 | caphuso | Zta: because it's equivalent to giving out root access |
| 08:22.44 | konki | but lemme google around for some documentation |
| 08:22.47 | Guerin | konki: no, i mean the documentation in /usr/share/doc/appname |
| 08:22.49 | Zta | I'm making a in-house development environment and we need to mount a RAM disk and put some stuff on it. |
| 08:23.05 | konki | ok |
| 08:23.07 | Zta | caphuso, it is? I don't see how. |
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| 08:23.22 | torrent_masters | oi |
| 08:23.26 | Zta | Oh well, I'll just have the folks add an entry in their fstab. |
| 08:23.35 | torrent_masters | warning: stupid question alert::: |
| 08:23.42 | nvz | Zta: put it in /etc/fstab with use mount privlages, and then make like a panel applet to load it or something |
| 08:23.49 | TinoW | Zta: you write an image with a shell file and suid-bits set. Then mount and use. Therefore insecure |
| 08:23.52 | caphuso | Zta: user compiles a C program that runs /bin/sh at home, makes it setuid root, puts it on a filesystem image, takes to your box, loop mounts it, has full root access |
| 08:24.22 | nvz | TinoW: what kind of BOFH are you? |
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| 08:24.34 | torrent_masters | say there is a directory named mirror. how can i do some kind of check to see total size of everything in that directory |
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| 08:24.44 | torrent_masters | not a list of each, but of everything all together |
| 08:24.46 | nvz | bah there are two of you |
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| 08:24.55 | Cheetah | hi folks |
| 08:24.59 | Guerin | torrent_masters: man du |
| 08:25.00 | TinoW | nvz: hrm? Know your tools I say. |
| 08:25.10 | torrent_masters | Guerin looking now :D |
| 08:25.17 | Cheetah | is it my configuration or are there no updates for many days? :( |
| 08:25.43 | nvz | got gentooitis? |
| 08:26.31 | caphuso | great, i finally found the bug in my zsh init files that caused it to mess up on rxvt, and then discovered once again that rxvt is way too limited :-/ |
| 08:26.36 | sep | Cheetah: tricky to answer since you dont say what you use. i use sarge and have been spared updates some days yes |
| 08:26.58 | Cheetah | sarge yeah, its odd.. not a single security update |
| 08:27.01 | Cheetah | whats happening? |
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| 08:27.10 | nvz | Cheetah: its stable? |
| 08:27.25 | Cheetah | yeah |
| 08:27.26 | sep | Cheetah: there have not been discovered any security bugs in any packages you have installed ? |
| 08:27.34 | zorton | darn |
| 08:27.42 | sep | Cheetah: i'd say that was a good thing (tm) |
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| 08:27.45 | zorton | silly 2.6.12.2 kernel simply won't play nice with my cdrom |
| 08:27.49 | nvz | that was more of an answer than a question |
| 08:28.00 | Cheetah | sep, well, its just that I heard that the debian security team fell apart in some local newssources |
| 08:28.01 | teufel | If I have two different domains pointing to one server, how can I set apache to detect which site the user intended to go to and direct them to the proper index file? |
| 08:28.04 | nvz | in a sarcastic manner |
| 08:28.33 | konki | Guerin, i read it and it goes something like this:"When giFToxic is started without the --server parameter, it tries to |
| 08:28.33 | konki | read ~/.giFT/ui/ui.conf to get the server and port where the giFTdaemon it should connect to is running.If giFToxic is told to connect to the local machine and that connectionattempt fails, the giFT daemon will be spawned." which i don't understand....? |
| 08:28.47 | sep | Cheetah: serious? that would be very bad for debian if it was true, but i expect it to be heavily exaggerated do you have an url ? |
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| 08:29.07 | Cheetah | do you speak german? :D |
| 08:29.13 | sep | Cheetah: no |
| 08:29.21 | Schiz0 | Cheetah- Google translator does. |
| 08:29.43 | caphuso | sep: check the debian-security archive on lists.debian.org |
| 08:29.51 | abyss | what i have to make if bluefish shows no syntax highlighting, even if is enabled? |
| 08:30.03 | Cheetah | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/61076 |
| 08:30.08 | Coke | In what package are manual pages for the libc functions? |
| 08:30.13 | Cheetah | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/61270 |
| 08:30.18 | Guerin | konki: you need to run a giftd locally, or find one you can connect to. |
| 08:30.22 | Zta | I see. |
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| 08:30.41 | Guerin | konki: once you decide which, put that information in ~/.giFT/ui/ui.conf |
| 08:30.50 | nvz | !babelfish en de I can speak german just as well as google! |
| 08:30.52 | dpkg | ich kann Deutsches als google ebensogut sprechen! |
| 08:30.53 | Coke | hm, glibc-doc |
| 08:31.00 | Cheetah | eh :D |
| 08:31.18 | mrplum | damn I got kicked and didn't know it |
| 08:31.22 | mrplum | did anyone respond to what I said? |
| 08:31.45 | Guerin | teufel: vhosts |
| 08:31.57 | Coke | ah, must be manpages-dev |
| 08:32.03 | Coke | indeed! :) |
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| 08:32.14 | nvz | mrplum: you never said anything under this name and IP |
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| 08:32.27 | mrplum | lol |
| 08:32.28 | nvz | and/or |
| 08:32.34 | zorton | how would I disable the ide-cdrom driver from loading at boot? |
| 08:32.39 | teufel | guerin: have a good link to read up on em? |
| 08:32.42 | mrplum | damn my msgs didn't even make it though, what a network I'm on :) |
| 08:32.57 | nvz | I've been connected for like 5 days straight |
| 08:33.25 | nvz | you ip shows only one nick in my log saying onle the two things you said two minutes ago |
| 08:33.26 | jethro | teufel: http://httpd.apache.org/ |
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| 08:33.36 | teufel | jethro: ty |
| 08:33.55 | Guerin | teufel: httpd.apache.org |
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| 08:34.02 | mrplum | :-P |
| 08:34.12 | TinoW | Cheetah: das ist doch uuuuralt. |
| 08:34.14 | Guerin | jethro: heh |
| 08:34.16 | mrplum | do those cheap linksys routers somehow detect NAT from the WAN network and drop it? |
| 08:34.17 | jethro | Guerin: :) |
| 08:34.25 | teufel | bla teufel |
| 08:34.33 | mrplum | that's what I said. I have two dual WAN routers, and can't get port forwarding to the second network |
| 08:34.45 | mrplum | tearing what little hair I have out |
| 08:34.47 | Quinn_Storm | hey, anyone know any way to set up anonymous cvs access using debian's build of cvs pserver? given that it uses PAM, the regular instructions don't work. Right now I just cheated and made a system user named anonymous but I can't give it a blank password (PAM again)... |
| 08:34.54 | Cheetah | TinoW, hab leider noch nichts neueres gehört |
| 08:35.17 | jethro | Cheetah: stop it p^lease. |
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| 08:36.27 | TinoW | Cheetah: its not that hard. I usually follow the advices on bugtraq for the services I use and see if there is an update |
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| 08:36.58 | r00t_sh | :) |
| 08:36.58 | TinoW | Cheetah: the security patches are a nice service but you always are on your own when it comes to securing your server |
| 08:37.03 | konki | Guerin, Q? giFToxic tells me I need to specify a host and port to connect to, how do I do that? A: Run giFToxic with the --server parameter, e.g. giFToxic --server=127.0.0.1:1213 how do i do this?? |
| 08:37.24 | Schiz0 | Cheetah- Bastille is some nice hardening software. |
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| 08:37.51 | Schiz0 | konki- how do you run it normally? |
| 08:37.59 | Guerin | konki: it means just what it says. Run the command from a shell. |
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| 08:38.33 | jethro | @test |
| 08:38.45 | jethro | :( |
| 08:38.58 | Mav__ | hi |
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| 08:39.16 | Mav__ | does anyone know about alpha server 2100A |
| 08:39.18 | Mav__ | ? |
| 08:39.32 | TinoW | Schiz0: there are hardening chemicals too ;) |
| 08:39.35 | konki | Guerin, how do i make it a local connection? [giFToxic --server=local]? |
| 08:39.49 | Schiz0 | konki- localhost is local. |
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| 08:40.16 | Schiz0 | konki- giftoxic --server=localhost:portwhatever |
| 08:41.05 | Guerin | konki: are you running a local giftd? |
| 08:41.30 | konki | let me try it, i'm new to this linux revolution... |
| 08:41.43 | Guerin | !jatfq konki |
| 08:41.44 | dpkg | konki: Just Answer The Fucking Question |
| 08:41.55 | torrent_masters | ok@ |
| 08:42.01 | torrent_masters | here's a good one |
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| 08:42.09 | torrent_masters | i ran irssi on my server |
| 08:42.15 | torrent_masters | then i tried to xdcc download a file |
| 08:42.28 | torrent_masters | i got an error that irssi could not write to my hdd for some reason |
| 08:42.31 | torrent_masters | what could that be? |
| 08:42.31 | konki | Guerin, i don't know what does that mean |
| 08:42.36 | Schiz0 | konki- You have to be running the server to be able to connect to it. |
| 08:42.45 | Schiz0 | usually d on the end of something means serer |
| 08:42.50 | Schiz0 | stands for daemon |
| 08:42.53 | Schiz0 | like httpd |
| 08:42.55 | Guerin | konki: dude, you need to learn a bit about what you're doing. |
| 08:42.57 | Schiz0 | or ftpd |
| 08:43.01 | TBBle | torrent_masters: Depends on the download path set in irssi, and if there's space free there. |
| 08:43.20 | konki | well i got 2 computers in my house, one the OS is windows xp & this one is Ubuntu.. |
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| 08:43.28 | Guerin | konki: did you install giftd? |
| 08:43.37 | Guerin | bah |
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| 08:43.41 | Guerin | !ubuntu |
| 08:43.41 | dpkg | [ubuntu] NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 08:43.45 | torrent_masters | TBBle oic.. is the config in /etc ? |
| 08:43.55 | Guerin | konki: go to #ubuntu |
| 08:44.02 | RainbowW | is there an mplayer-based front end that doesn't suck as hard as kplayer? i need to stop/start/pause/ff/rw ... |
| 08:44.03 | konki | its already installed but this error msg comes up when i tryy to start it |
| 08:44.15 | TBBle | torrent_masters: Try /set |
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| 08:44.26 | Guerin | RainbowW: gmplayer sucks pretty hard |
| 08:44.33 | Guerin | RainbowW: i find cli mplayer the best |
| 08:44.38 | Quinn_Storm | RainbowW: gmplayer is slightly better than k[m]player... |
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| 08:44.45 | Quinn_Storm | RainbowW: [this coming from a hardcore kde fan] |
| 08:44.59 | konki | how can i retrieve my host & port connection names or numbers? |
| 08:45.12 | Guerin | konki: please go to #ubuntu |
| 08:45.24 | Schiz0 | port scan yourself? |
| 08:45.25 | Mav__ | so noone here has any idea about the alpha server 2100A ? it wasnt supported earlier, but is listed as supported now. Just want to make sure before I put in another week and another million of brain cells only to learn it is "not supported" |
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| 08:46.32 | konki | ok thanks anyways i've gotten this far... with this project... thanks for the help |
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| 08:48.03 | Mav__ | well. thank you I guess. |
| 08:48.19 | Schiz0 | Mav__- Never heard of it. |
| 08:48.42 | Mav__ | nod |
| 08:48.50 | Guerin | Mav__: might be worth asking on debian-alpha mailing list |
| 08:49.00 | Guerin | but alphas are pretty obscure shit |
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| 08:49.31 | Guerin | if it says it's supported.... i'd probably give it a try |
| 08:49.36 | Mav__ | agreed. its a junk machine lying around. want to put a real OS on it just as backup server |
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| 08:50.58 | RainbowW | god these divx's look like crap. :-( |
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| 08:52.44 | Mav__ | I'm downloading the bizcard cd image for netinstall. that will at least give me an idea I guess. |
| 08:53.03 | RainbowW | is there an easy to use package that'll take input from vob (legal dvd's guys, crap of my kids) and let me output to, say, mpeg? i'd like to be able to save in clips, but adding effects and crap isn't necessary. |
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| 08:53.16 | coywolf | how to resize a file? what command? |
| 08:53.22 | Mav__ | transcode |
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| 08:53.38 | pengo | su |
| 08:54.35 | sep | coywolf: resize a file.. you can split it up into smaller parts with split. if that's what you mean |
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| 08:55.09 | TinoW | coywolf: what do you mean by "resize"? |
| 08:55.20 | eye69 | Hello. 'apt-get update' fails on my woody installation, with "E: Encountered a section with no Package: header \n E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status \n E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened." |
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| 08:55.37 | coywolf | sep, i want to make it larger |
| 08:55.42 | eye69 | I've tried 'dpkg --clear-avail' and 'apt-get clean' but it's not helping. |
| 08:55.58 | Mav__ | coywolf: are contents important ? |
| 08:55.58 | coywolf | TinoW, think of whole |
| 08:56.00 | TinoW | coywolf: what does "make it larger" mean? feed some viagra? |
| 08:56.03 | pvs | My kernel was compiled with CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y option. Can i don't use devfs ? |
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| 08:56.22 | eye69 | pvs: Add 'devfs=nomount' to your kernel line. |
| 08:56.36 | sep | coywolf: add garbage too it ? cat /dev/urandom >> /file/to/destroy/but/make/larger |
| 08:56.37 | TinoW | coywolf: try to be more specific about what kind of file and what type of enlargement you imagine |
| 08:57.01 | TinoW | sep: rather dd :) |
| 08:57.10 | coywolf | sep, i want to just resize, adding whole |
| 08:57.23 | Guerin | coywolf: cat warandpeace.txt >> file |
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| 08:57.28 | sep | TinoW: dd would overwrite his orginal info, unleess he messes with skip or seek, >> would add to it |
| 08:57.32 | Guerin | coywolf: that'll sure as hell make it larger |
| 08:57.41 | TinoW | sep: but cat yould add infinitively :) |
| 08:57.50 | TinoW | sep: infinitely I mean |
| 08:57.50 | sep | TinoW: until he break it yes. |
| 08:57.53 | coywolf | Guerin, i don't want to add disk usage, but just file size |
| 08:58.03 | Guerin | coywolf: ... ? |
| 08:58.03 | sep | TinoW: but he asks stupidly he gets stupid answers |
| 08:58.25 | TinoW | sep: its really talented in this stupid question thing ;) |
| 08:58.25 | Mav__ | how about: dd if=/dev/urandom of=tempfile bs=1024 count=512 ; cat tempfile >> myoriginalfile |
| 08:58.27 | Guerin | that doesn't sound very possible to me |
| 08:58.34 | coywolf | sep, i don't want to add disk usage, but just add file size |
| 08:58.47 | TinoW | coywolf: for what? |
| 08:58.56 | sep | coywolf: what you say dont make sense, |
| 08:59.06 | pvs | eye69: Thanks. |
| 08:59.16 | Guerin | hi' i'd like to put 10 litres of water in this jug, but I want it to only tkae up five litres. Thanks. |
| 08:59.23 | coywolf | sep, i don't want to add the disk usage of a file, I want to add the file size only |
| 08:59.45 | Mav__ | guerin: sure. just make sure you boil and vaporize the other 5lt :-) |
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| 08:59.51 | jethro | is it still sunday or am I having a dream? |
| 08:59.52 | TinoW | coywolf: in short: you cant. And its nonsense anyway :) |
| 08:59.55 | pengo | speaking of /dev/urandom.. anyone know what gets stored in iso files in the space after a file (when the file doesn't take up the whole block) ? |
| 08:59.55 | sep | coywolf: so you keep saying but it makes no sense. you want to fake the filesize of a file in a ls -l or what ? |
| 09:00.04 | Guerin | Mav__: then compress it and wait for it to ... condense! |
| 09:00.13 | Mav__ | lol |
| 09:00.14 | coywolf | there's file whole |
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| 09:00.27 | coywolf | there's file hole |
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| 09:01.05 | ac3 | hi |
| 09:01.21 | Schiz0 | hi. |
| 09:02.02 | Mav__ | coywolf: this is just a wild guess: are you trying to find out the total size of files in a directory ? |
| 09:02.07 | ac3 | how can i list all startup -stop scripts and their runlevels+ prio (like chkconfig --list under redhat) |
| 09:02.20 | sep | coywolf: your only confusing us. aska real question, just stop with this mindless guesswork your doing |
| 09:02.52 | ac3 | i know update.rc.d for updating, but how can i list them, without doing a recursive ls |
| 09:02.59 | coywolf | Mav__, no, the file is now 2G(using 10k on disk due to file hole), i want to make it 3G |
| 09:03.00 | Guerin | ac3: rcconf sysv-config or sysv-rc-conf |
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| 09:03.09 | ac3 | thx |
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| 09:03.21 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.25 | jethro | Guerin: does rcconf tell you about the runlevels? |
| 09:03.33 | Guerin | oh, maybe not |
| 09:03.49 | jethro | I usually use find /etc/rc?.d/ -type f for that. |
| 09:03.58 | jethro | type s sorry |
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| 09:04.06 | sep | what is a file hole ? |
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| 09:04.44 | jethro | type l even. |
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| 09:07.33 | jm_ | coywolf: use dd or in C, use seek/fseek |
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| 09:08.03 | jm_ | lseek I suppose |
| 09:08.16 | coywolf | jm_, sure, but no such tool ? |
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| 09:09.02 | jm_ | coywolf: dd |
| 09:09.18 | coywolf | jm_, i want file hole |
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| 09:09.49 | jm_ | coywolf: yes, dd can do it damnit |
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| 09:11.25 | suzzi | hello all |
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| 09:11.38 | suzzi | quick kernel recomile question |
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| 09:12.28 | suzzi | I used make-kpkg to build my kernel but I forgot to add a module. can I just rerun make-kpkg kernel-image or should I run clean and start all over? |
| 09:13.02 | suzzi | iLL_Afk: having some identiy crisis? |
| 09:13.25 | Eulex | suzzi, you'll have to do a clean |
| 09:13.26 | liable | suzzi: make-kpkg clean takes like 5 seconds. do it. |
| 09:13.28 | iLL_Afk | no thats normal |
| 09:13.43 | Guerin | suzzi: i think it just took him 11 seconds to start and finish watching his porn |
| 09:13.52 | Guerin | and apparently that's normal |
| 09:14.06 | liable | premature.... |
| 09:14.07 | Eulex | suzzi, and if you want the kernel compile to be faster I can recommend ccache |
| 09:14.09 | suzzi | liable: it's not a matter of clean taking the time it's the loss of existing comile time that i would like to save |
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| 09:14.34 | matchsticker | ,ccache |
| 09:14.38 | sayadune | is anybody knows another iso for the debian-installer netinst, which as better support with SATA? |
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| 09:14.42 | Guerin | suzzi: change the config and rerun modules module_image |
| 09:14.45 | Burps__ | Hi all |
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| 09:15.02 | petemc | sayadune: the debian dell iso, tho based on the woody installer, has sata support |
| 09:15.02 | Guerin | you don't need to build it again, and ccache and so on are red herrings here |
| 09:15.11 | Guerin | suzzi: read man make-kpkg for more details |
| 09:15.13 | suzzi | Guerin: is that make-kpkg modules... or just modules... |
| 09:15.18 | suzzi | Guerin: cool thanks |
| 09:15.26 | Guerin | suzzi: make-kpkg - the two things I said are targets |
| 09:15.28 | knite | my clock is really messed up :( I think it might be caused by really bad drift values, etc. (I'm not sure I understand how that works) |
| 09:15.35 | sayadune | petemc, the DELL one stop booting after the hard drive detection |
| 09:15.39 | knite | is there a way to clear all that info and start over? |
| 09:16.09 | Burps__ | since a few days I'm fucked up with any apt-get install since it keeps asking for a password during postgresql update : what could I do ? (using sarge) |
| 09:16.10 | Burps__ | Setting up postgresql (7.4.7-6sarge1) ... |
| 09:16.10 | Burps__ | Password: |
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| 09:16.46 | sayadune | I don't know how knoppix succesfuly detects my SATA drive while I can't do the same while loading modules "at hands" |
| 09:16.49 | aphax | I'm trying to get sshd to work but when connect to it it immediately disconnects after authenticating, runnin sshd -d and connecting to it locally outputs this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/pKcVgj54.html unfortunately I'm not sure what it means... can anyone help or point me in the right direction? I'm using "OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4, OpenSSL 0.9.7e 25 Oct 2004" |
| 09:16.57 | knite | I thought running ntp-simple would keep my system clock correct, but it hasn't done me any good |
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| 09:17.07 | aphax | ack, excuse my poor spelling/grammar, need sleep =] |
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| 09:18.19 | guiding5 | Q: How do i run script with su permisions on user's login, script source should remain secret from the user |
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| 09:19.22 | Mav__ | chmod 100 scriptname. |
| 09:19.25 | Knight_Lord | guiding5 you want to run a suid script no a user login? |
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| 09:19.39 | Mav__ | ah. suid too |
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| 09:19.47 | Knight_Lord | guiding5 i don't think you can keep the source secret |
| 09:20.00 | guiding5 | actualy if its possible to run user script with possibility to hide its sources from user ... its an option too |
| 09:20.10 | Mav__ | simply dont give read permission, but do give execute permission. and set user +s ? |
| 09:20.15 | TinoW | hm. -rwx--x--x maybe? ;) |
| 09:20.18 | guiding5 | nope |
| 09:20.25 | TinoW | ah yes, and S |
| 09:20.26 | guiding5 | u cannot execute without +r :) |
| 09:20.30 | Knight_Lord | Mav__ that doesn't work |
| 09:20.35 | Knight_Lord | exactly |
| 09:20.58 | Mav__ | hmm. never tried it, honestly |
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| 09:21.07 | Knight_Lord | guiding5 i'm afraid you don't have any options |
| 09:21.16 | guiding5 | bash.login for example runned under user ? |
| 09:21.22 | Knight_Lord | guiding5 i think the only root process is actually login |
| 09:21.35 | Knight_Lord | guiding5 even the one in /etc i think i run under the user UID |
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| 09:21.58 | guiding5 | is there sometihing runned with SUID in any part of login process ? |
| 09:21.58 | aphax | hmm |
| 09:22.18 | undesktop | when I do apt-get update, I get "W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org sid/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B6..." |
| 09:22.18 | Knight_Lord | login is run by root, i don't think there are SUID programs involved |
| 09:22.19 | fatal__ | use cron to start up user processes after boot. |
| 09:22.27 | undesktop | what does that mean? I'm on Debian unstable |
| 09:22.35 | sep | guiding5: a sudo command that executes the script. and persmissions so only root can read the script. and you must ofcouse limit the sudoers to only executingf that file and not any random command |
| 09:22.48 | yoo | Hi everybody ! |
| 09:22.55 | TinoW | undesktop: it does mean what it says |
| 09:23.06 | Knight_Lord | guiding5 what you could do is write a small wrapper in C |
| 09:23.13 | guiding5 | sep: should check it ... using sudo |
| 09:23.20 | Knight_Lord | guiding5 or actually even i bash |
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| 09:23.27 | TinoW | undesktop: when you run unstable, you should know the terms "signature" and "key" :) |
| 09:23.29 | Knight_Lord | guiding5 and set it to SUID |
| 09:23.39 | guiding5 | Knight_Lord: wrapper and scrambler |
| 09:23.49 | guiding5 | strings is realy nice tool :) |
| 09:23.50 | undesktop | TinoW: but I don't |
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| 09:23.55 | Knight_Lord | guiding5 you don't need to scramble you can keeo the source as 400 |
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| 09:24.06 | Knight_Lord | and the suid 755 |
| 09:24.13 | TinoW | undesktop: what kind of answer could help you then? |
| 09:24.27 | Knight_Lord | (500 for the source actually) |
| 09:24.30 | TinoW | guiding5: also a nice gadget on girls ;) |
| 09:24.51 | undesktop | TinoW: don't know, just want to get rid of it... I'm just a user, not a Debian hacker |
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| 09:25.29 | TinoW | undesktop: well, try a different mirror. And/or feed the error message in google :) |
| 09:25.31 | Knight_Lord | guiding5 just remember that security through obscurity is not very effective .-P |
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| 09:26.07 | pepsix | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.12 | guiding5 | Knight_Lord: yup, tho thats not the idea |
| 09:26.39 | TBBle | pepsix: Kernel 2.6? Did you remember to depmod? |
| 09:26.41 | TinoW | guiding5: you can use a small script with sudo in it which calls the real script |
| 09:26.52 | pepsix | yeah, 2.6 and i did depmod |
| 09:27.24 | Knight_Lord | guiding5 specially because i think my approach might be cracked with a debugger |
| 09:27.31 | guiding5 | TinoW: i truing now to set up sudoers to limit executing to one specific script |
| 09:27.47 | guiding5 | TinoW: tho i dont like the idea to add a user to sudoers .... |
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| 09:28.06 | guiding5 | Knight_Lord: you dont even need the debugger |
| 09:28.17 | TinoW | guiding5: therefore sudoers allows for groups and yada yada ;) |
| 09:28.21 | guiding5 | strings /bin/bash |
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| 09:28.37 | Knight_Lord | guiding5 the wrapper must be in C |
| 09:28.48 | guiding5 | so i need to scramble string in C |
| 09:28.57 | TinoW | Knight_Lord: actually a shell script which uses sudo suffices |
| 09:29.07 | Knight_Lord | guiding5 just because you can't suid a shell script |
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| 09:29.19 | TinoW | Knight_Lord: then the called script must only be readably by the target user |
| 09:29.59 | guiding5 | yup, i should allow only execution of specific script with sudo ... may be not that easy |
| 09:30.01 | Knight_Lord | TinoW but i don't think he wants to give sudo privelidges to the user |
| 09:30.16 | guiding5 | yeah ... sudo is not best idea :) |
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| 09:30.39 | TBBle | pepsix: Hmm. modprobe -v and see what it does? And _check_ that it shows up somewhere in the files depmod generates. /lib/modules/`uname -r`/mod* I think. |
| 09:30.56 | Knight_Lord | guiding5 i thikn the C wrapper is the only option |
| 09:31.10 | TinoW | Knight_Lord: err, why not? |
| 09:31.14 | pepsix | TBBle, i just checked.. it doesnt show up in modules.dep |
| 09:31.19 | TinoW | Knight_Lord: thats what sudo is made for :) |
| 09:31.32 | Knight_Lord | TinoW but he doesn't want to give root privelidges to the user |
| 09:31.37 | TinoW | guiding5: actually its very easy |
| 09:31.43 | sep | Knight_Lord: with sudo you can allow just 1 exactl command to be executed dont have to give full acceess |
| 09:31.47 | TinoW | Knight_Lord: read about sudo please :) |
| 09:31.53 | guiding5 | TinoW: I want user to run script on login and a way to hide its source |
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| 09:32.04 | Knight_Lord | TinoW ok i admit i haven't :-P |
| 09:32.05 | guiding5 | Main idea is to make questions for a student login |
| 09:32.08 | TinoW | Knight_Lord: sudo is not restricted to the resulting user to be root :) |
| 09:32.09 | sep | guiding5: sudo can do what you want, if you do it correctly |
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| 09:32.16 | _paul | guiding5: Whats does the script do? |
| 09:32.19 | guiding5 | as student log in |
| 09:32.27 | guiding5 | it prepare files for the question |
| 09:32.30 | TinoW | guiding5: maybe just more easy is to write better code ;) |
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| 09:32.39 | TinoW | guiding5: so you dont have to hide the crap ;) |
| 09:32.44 | guiding5 | now ... the script may contain the answer |
| 09:32.57 | TinoW | guiding5: still sudo is the best solution imho |
| 09:33.23 | guiding5 | TinoW: all the point is to hide "crap" :) |
| 09:33.34 | TinoW | guiding5: you can configure the group to run exactly one command as exactly one specific user |
| 09:33.50 | Knight_Lord | TinoW but wouldn't that command be bash? |
| 09:33.59 | Knight_Lord | TinoW that's not very helpful |
| 09:34.05 | Knight_Lord | TinoW remember it's a shell script |
| 09:34.12 | TinoW | Knight_Lord: no, its the script |
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| 09:34.30 | _paul | guiding5: Can't you set the file to be executable only, ie without the read attribute? |
| 09:34.33 | Knight_Lord | TinoW you can define the entire command line |
| 09:34.41 | Knight_Lord | _paul doens'twork |
| 09:34.49 | TinoW | Knight_Lord: well, instead of guessing you could just both read the manual? ;) |
| 09:35.02 | Knight_Lord | TinoW it's too big and apparently you've read it well :-P |
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| 09:35.41 | TinoW | guiding5: but be careful on what your script does |
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| 09:36.11 | guiding5 | i guess the script will do 1 thing only ... run another script with SUID and not accessible by the user |
| 09:36.31 | TBBle | pepsix: depmod -v (I think) and see where depmod's scanning. |
| 09:36.57 | guiding5 | _paul: siting on "man sudo" :) |
| 09:36.57 | TBBle | pepsix: Oh, wait. You said .o? 2.6 modules are .ko. |
| 09:37.05 | sridharan | Hi, im running debian with KDE , KDE doesnt seem to detect my sound card, saying /dev/dsp cant be loaded.Please help. |
| 09:37.23 | possie | to do a performance test on my storage i want to use bonnie++ but bonnie uses as much diskspace as it has memory righ? i have 16gb of mem in that box, so i guess it will takes day's ? |
| 09:37.35 | pepsix | TBBle, aw poo-funkle.. thats right |
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| 09:38.05 | guiding5 | Thanks alot for the Help ! going to config sudo for this task |
| 09:38.17 | TinoW | guiding5: I mean the final script. Make soure it has no flaws |
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| 09:38.56 | _paul | guiding5: Specify a path in sudo or the user can write their own script with the same name. |
| 09:39.09 | catlinux | is there any dvd image of the latest debian amd64 port? |
| 09:39.13 | Knight_Lord | So sudo is not just su in new clothes :-) |
| 09:39.14 | TBBle | pepsix: Hooray for /lastlog. ^_^ |
| 09:39.31 | sridharan | Im getting an error saying /dev/dsp cannot be loaded (no such device) , |
| 09:39.42 | guiding5 | oki, should be carefful with sudo :) |
| 09:39.47 | _paul | sridharan: apt-get install alsa-base |
| 09:40.07 | TinoW | guiding5: what does the script you want to run? |
| 09:40.39 | sridharan | _paul: Thanks |
| 09:40.39 | pepsix | TBBle, now i just have to figure out why i got .o's instead of .ko's :) |
| 09:40.46 | pepsix | TBBle, thanks for that though |
| 09:41.13 | guiding5 | TinoW: generates files containing junk :) |
| 09:42.01 | TBBle | pepsix: You may have gotten a .ko as well, if there's a .c file to match. (ie the 2.6 build process compiles into .o, does magic, and produces a single .ko for the module.) |
| 09:42.17 | TBBle | pepsix: No wuckers. ^_^ |
| 09:43.00 | TinoW | guiding5: and you check for existence before you overwrite them? |
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| 09:47.27 | guiding5 | TinoW: file generation is harmless, both path and names are static, overwriting with user permissions should be not a problem |
| 09:47.31 | guiding5 | (i hope) |
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| 09:48.10 | TinoW | guiding5: but you run suid with another user. So with tricks the original user can place files you will overwrite |
| 09:48.28 | TinoW | guiding5: see links problematic |
| 09:48.54 | LameBoy | I'm installing sarge using 31mb net intall iso, i've setup a reiser / partition and a boot one, installer says it can't find a valid kernel, whats wrong? |
| 09:49.02 | TinoW | guiding5: so always check if file exists and remove it carefully just in case |
| 09:49.43 | emptied | LameBoy, Reiser is a module, are you using initrd? |
| 09:49.57 | emptied | LameBoy, and FWIW reiser has a very bad rep around here |
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| 09:50.56 | LameBoy | emptied, reiser is a better filesystem copared to ext3, anyway, my problem is BEFORE lilo installation, installer says it can't find any good kernel to copy on disk |
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| 09:51.15 | possie | what is the best tool to benchmark my harddisks ? |
| 09:51.23 | rixt1 | Is there a player for Debian that supports mms:// streams? |
| 09:51.27 | LameBoy | possie, bonnie |
| 09:51.33 | LameBoy | rixt1, mplayer |
| 09:51.54 | emptied | LameBoy, better until it crashes... And FWIW its only better at certain tasks. I have no idea about why the installer would act like that- maybe try making /boot ext2? |
| 09:52.05 | aphax | rixt1: VLC media player too, I think |
| 09:52.10 | Dak | <msg> |
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| 09:52.54 | LameBoy | emptied, i'm gonna try again using ext2, we have over 130 servers here in production with oracle and so on using reiser 3, never had a problem with it |
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| 09:53.07 | Dak | Which file have I to edit to configure the sound server (debian kernel 2.6.8 kde)? |
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| 09:53.18 | emptied | LameBoy, I run it for my qmail queues as well, but like I said it has a bad rep here :) |
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| 09:53.52 | LameBoy | emptied, understood :) |
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| 09:54.29 | emptied | Good thing Guerin is not paying attention, mentioning qmail and reiser on the same line would have him a-froth |
| 09:54.44 | Dak | How can I config sound server? |
| 09:55.02 | _paul | Dak: Can't you use the GUI? |
| 09:55.20 | Eulex | Dak, what sound server? |
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| 09:55.32 | Dak | I used the kde control panel without success |
| 09:55.47 | Eulex | Dak, artsd? |
| 09:55.49 | _paul | Dak: What when wrong, ie no sound? |
| 09:56.16 | Dak | I don't know. I'm using debian 2.4.6-8 and kde. No sounds at hall. |
| 09:56.19 | Dak | at all |
| 09:56.37 | _paul | Dak: Did the test work in the GUI? |
| 09:57.04 | Dak | the test doesn't work...no sounds |
| 09:57.09 | _paul | Dak: Have you turned up the levels in alsamixer? |
| 09:57.14 | Eulex | Dak, debian 2.4.x has never existed |
| 09:57.22 | Eulex | and never will |
| 09:57.29 | Dak | 2.6.8 |
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| 09:57.51 | Eulex | Dak, that is the kernel version, not the debian version |
| 09:58.22 | Dak | yes, I know, I thought it would be important to know the kernel version |
| 09:59.04 | Eulex | Dak, probably not... however, your version of KDE may be important |
| 09:59.23 | Dak | first the my debian made sounds..after the install of some gnome components...no sounds |
| 09:59.41 | Dak | kde 3.3.2 |
| 09:59.47 | Eulex | Dak, are you running gdm? if so, are you running esd? |
| 09:59.50 | _paul | Dak: gnome may have turned down the sound... |
| 10:00.30 | Dak | yes I'm running gdm, but I don't know about esd... |
| 10:01.01 | Eulex | Dak, ps -eo "%c"|grep esd |
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| 10:02.08 | Eulex | Dak, you can also try: apt-get install setmixer && setmixer vol 100 pcm 100 |
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| 10:02.49 | _paul | Eulex: alsamixer is better. |
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| 10:03.53 | Eulex | _paul, I've always used setmixer, and it works great on both oss and alsa |
| 10:04.26 | Dak | I do ps -eo "%c"|grep esd on terminal as root, but nothing happened...(pardon me, I'm a newbye) |
| 10:04.49 | Eulex | Dak, then esd ain't running |
| 10:05.44 | _paul | Eulex: I usually do 'apt-get install alsa-base' and then 'alsamixer' pushing up Master and PCM and then 'alsactl store' |
| 10:06.29 | Eulex | Dak, can you get any sound in kde? I mean, does sound work when you haven't got the sound server running? |
| 10:06.30 | Dak | I tryed apt-get install setmixer && setmixer vol 100 pcm 100, but this was the error: "Setting sound mixer volumes with setmixer... Error opening /dev/mixer.failed" |
| 10:06.39 | Eulex | _paul, ok |
| 10:06.59 | Eulex | Dak, setmixer -V? |
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| 10:07.29 | Eulex | Dak, hmm... that's not good |
| 10:08.08 | Eulex | Dak, if you disable the sound server in kde, can you get any sound in any application? |
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| 10:08.24 | Dak | no sounds at all... |
| 10:08.35 | TBBle | Dak: You hvae /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer? Or /dev/sound/dsp and /dev/sound/mixer? |
| 10:08.58 | possie | LameBoy: too bad bonnie++ 2.0 isn't released yet :( cause i need to test a raid array |
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| 10:10.07 | Eulex | Dak, does ps -eo "%c"|grep artsd give anything? |
| 10:10.19 | Eulex | Dak, you could also try running alsaconf |
| 10:11.01 | Dak | I don't have /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/sound/dsp /dev/sound/mixer |
| 10:11.42 | Dak | ps -eo "%c"|grep artsd --> artsd (this is the output) |
| 10:11.52 | ac3 | I just configured yaa (yet another autoresponder) It works fine wgen using smtp as transport, but i want lmtp with a unix socket. It looks all ok, exept the socket permissions. postfix should be able to connect to that socket. How can i set these permissions? they should be 777, just like mysql-server |
| 10:12.17 | Dak | I don't have alsaconf |
| 10:12.24 | Eulex | Dak, you don't have any of those four |
| 10:12.26 | TinoW | Dak: no sound devices, no (local) sound. See lspci for hardware (if its pci) and see if you need to load a driver with modprobe. And if so, man MAKEDEV |
| 10:12.34 | Eulex | Dak, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 10:13.00 | Eulex | Dak, you may already have those, but you must be root to run alsaconf |
| 10:13.06 | TinoW | ac3: 777 is a bit silly |
| 10:13.21 | ac3 | why? |
| 10:13.25 | Dak | why before installing gnome components my sound server went well? |
| 10:13.35 | TinoW | ac3: why does anybody need to overwrite a binary? |
| 10:13.40 | ac3 | yaa runs as a different user than postfix |
| 10:14.11 | Eulex | Dak, I have no idea |
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| 10:14.22 | tetsuo69 | hi all |
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| 10:14.56 | goron | Is it possible to make mathematical formulas in a smaller font in OpenOffice? |
| 10:14.57 | Dak | I run alsaconf as root...I'm now installing alsa-utils... |
| 10:15.19 | tetsuo69 | does anybody knows wich package allows ntfs filesystem mounting on sarge? |
| 10:15.34 | Eulex | tetsuo69, kernel-image-* |
| 10:15.44 | Eulex | tetsuo69, it's built into the kernel |
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| 10:16.25 | tetsuo69 | Eulex: ok but to set it i have to recompile the kernel or just install a pack? |
| 10:16.32 | ac3 | postfix says: (connect to /var/run/yaa/yaa.sock[/var/run/yaa/yaa.sock]: Permission denied) |
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| 10:17.46 | Eulex | tetsuo69, no, it's built into the kernel |
| 10:18.09 | Dak | I have installed alsa-utils, I configured all but....NO SOUDS!!! This is incredible!! |
| 10:19.00 | Eulex | Dak, did alsaconf find your soundcard? |
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| 10:19.17 | Eulex | Dak, and there is no need to get upset |
| 10:19.23 | tetsuo69 | Eulex: sorry, didn't undestand, no i don't have to recompile or no don't have to install package?:) |
| 10:19.53 | sridharan | Dak : Some thing is hogging your /dev/dsp try fuser -mv /dev/dsp after a clean reboot |
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| 10:20.45 | Eulex | tetsuo69, no, if you're using a stock kernel... if you have compiled your own kernel and have left out support for ntfs, you will have to recompile |
| 10:21.07 | Dak | thanks for all |
| 10:21.07 | lolo | hola |
| 10:21.12 | Dak | I'll try |
| 10:21.22 | lolo | alguien habla español |
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| 10:21.36 | Eulex | !es |
| 10:21.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 10:24.54 | Eulex | tetsuo69, you like anime? |
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| 10:30.41 | Phlogiston | hi |
| 10:31.01 | Phlogiston | does anyone know a good howto for debian to set up an apache, for running a cvs? |
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| 10:31.22 | liquid_ | cvs howto? |
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| 10:31.31 | liquid_ | www.tldp.org? |
| 10:31.42 | mathieu | Phlogiston, there's nothing debian specific about it |
| 10:31.57 | stefan_ | can anybody tell me, how to alter the ascii charset in the linux console? |
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| 10:32.16 | aphax | I'm a new debian user! \o/ who wants to touch me? |
| 10:32.35 | jethro | !fuck aphax |
| 10:32.45 | jethro | aphax: got enough? :) |
| 10:32.56 | aphax | eek, yeah that'll be enough for now =/ |
| 10:33.01 | jethro | heh |
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| 10:33.03 | Eulex | hehe |
| 10:33.11 | jethro | !wb PerfDave |
| 10:33.12 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! PerfDave has returned! |
| 10:33.17 | TBBle | stefan_: Try the console-common and console-* packages? If you've got a framebuffer going, you can use fbterm I think, to get more than 256 characters in the charmap. |
| 10:33.20 | liquid_ | Eulex hi |
| 10:33.32 | Eulex | 'lo liquid_ |
| 10:34.05 | liquid_ | Eulex about yesterday .. the 20mb of mem I got short. well indeed meminfo showed the same amount as top. both were equal. so is it really the kernel consuming the memory? |
| 10:34.19 | PerfDave | Hey jethro :) |
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| 10:35.01 | Phlogiston | how would you install apache on sarge? with apt-get? |
| 10:35.37 | TinoW | Phlogiston: yes |
| 10:35.37 | Eulex | liquid_, I dunno, but I think so. I've got 1gb ram, and I'm 12.5mb ram short. to be sure, you'd have to ask someone who knows more about how the kernel works internally |
| 10:35.41 | stefan_ | TBBle: hm - do you know how programs like "nethack" alter the charset? when i kill "nethack" while running the charset is altered (nethack changes it to get the graphics for walls) |
| 10:35.44 | paulswm | !irritate jethro |
| 10:35.44 | dpkg | jethro: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my libranet werkz ????? |
| 10:35.59 | Phlogiston | TinoW: ok any howto for this? |
| 10:36.11 | jethro | hi paulswm :) |
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| 10:36.17 | Eulex | Phlogiston, apt-get install apache :) |
| 10:36.18 | paulswm | morning jethro :) |
| 10:36.23 | liquid_ | Eulex I asked in #kernel but no answer guess they are sleeping |
| 10:37.05 | TinoW | Phlogiston: apt-cache search apache and see the output as usual |
| 10:37.05 | Dak | After the reboot my sound server goes well.....thanks to everybody helped me some minutes ago. Ciao |
| 10:37.15 | sridharan | what did you do |
| 10:37.22 | Eulex | liquid_, I dunno... wait and see if someone answers... it can take some time... also, #kernel-newbies (or whatever it's name is) could be a better place for it |
| 10:37.24 | sridharan | now I have a sound problem lol |
| 10:37.25 | TBBle | stefan_: It maybe flicks over into utf-8 mode, to access unicode line-drawing characters? |
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| 10:37.51 | TBBle | stefan_: On the linux console, programs can load up their own charset and font, if they include one, although I thought they needed to be root to do so... |
| 10:38.02 | Eulex | liquid_, btw, I'll be afk now... |
| 10:38.23 | Dak | thank Eulex |
| 10:38.51 | rixt1 | Is it just me, or does the 'download manager' in Firefox suck? It NEVER resumes |
| 10:38.52 | sridharan | I get the error /dev/dsp cannot be loaded when i start KDE, I tried killing KDE sound processes and the sound worked , so some one asked me to fuser -mv /dev/dsp . What do I do now? |
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| 10:39.22 | Dak | now, question n.2: I have a usb printer, but my debian doesn't find it. What have I to do? |
| 10:39.26 | sridharan | rixt1 :Yes, it is known to have its faults. |
| 10:39.36 | Dak | any doc to read? |
| 10:39.44 | sridharan | Dak : How did you fix your sound? |
| 10:39.52 | TBBle | liquid_: You've lost 20MB of RAM? It's not an integrated VGA card taking it? |
| 10:40.08 | PerfDave | stefan_: type "reset" to reset your console window, that may help fix your problem. |
| 10:40.09 | TBBle | Dak: Linuxprinting.org, mainly. |
| 10:40.09 | Dak | I used alsaconf and I reboot the system... |
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| 10:41.04 | sridharan | alsaconf doesnt recognize any of my cards here and i get the "/dev/dsp cannot be loaded" error. :( |
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| 10:41.09 | Dak | ...but I don't know why I had to reboot the system. I'd like to know the reason of this |
| 10:41.22 | stefan_ | PerfDave: na, have another problem |
| 10:41.41 | rixth | sridharan: try http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html |
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| 10:43.42 | stefan_ | TBBle: My problem is: I want to save the charset altered by nethack, so I can use it later to play over telnet - but consolechars won't let me save the current charset - says: it's 32bit but I can only do 8bit |
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| 10:44.32 | stefan_ | TBBle: I wrote a small bash-script to dump my the current charset, that's why I know it's altered ( www.deepcut.net/asciidump.sh ) |
| 10:45.18 | TBBle | stefan_: Then I reckon it's flicked you over to unicode mode... The unicode_start and unicode_stop commands are scripts that included a test for 'are we currently unicode?' if you want to check. |
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| 10:46.05 | stefan_ | TBBle: thanks |
| 10:46.14 | fando | I want to merge the last two partitions on my disk, both are ext2 or ext3 |
| 10:46.43 | fando | my two partitions are /boot and swap, my data is on the third and the empty fourth one I wish to merge into the third |
| 10:47.07 | fando | my ^first two |
| 10:48.13 | possie | what is a nice tool to benchmark raw disk devices? |
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| 10:48.32 | fando | hm, hdparm isn't enough possie? |
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| 10:49.17 | TwistedEmotions | How much would you guys guess a wireless bridge costs? I mean a low end one? |
| 10:50.05 | anhi | a skimask, a night without sleep and a getaway-car? |
| 10:50.27 | TwistedEmotions | anhi: No.. that's how much a new computer costs... |
| 10:50.49 | MikkelK | Hi. When i tyr to start my MySQL-server it says "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed." where can i see what went wrong? |
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| 10:51.16 | TwistedEmotions | MikkelK: Did you do config already? |
| 10:51.23 | TinoW | MikkelK: I guess the first thing what went wrong is you installing mysql ;) |
| 10:51.38 | TwistedEmotions | MikkelK: ^^^^ True |
| 10:51.48 | MikkelK | TwistedEmotions, yearh... |
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| 10:52.16 | Octavian | hi |
| 10:52.18 | TwistedEmotions | !tell MikkelK about reconfigure |
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| 10:52.39 | MikkelK | TwistedEmotions, been there dne that |
| 10:52.49 | Octavian | anyone using sfdisk for scripted repartitioning? |
| 10:53.04 | fando | sfdisk? hm I need to repartition |
| 10:53.17 | Octavian | fando: yes, but problem is special :) |
| 10:53.22 | TwistedEmotions | MikkelK: Errr.. I couldn't get mysql server working.. so maybe I better not give advice ;) |
| 10:53.32 | TwistedEmotions | MikkelK: What are you installing it for? |
| 10:53.36 | fando | yeah, I don't know.. but you answered my question earlier :) |
| 10:53.54 | Octavian | i have system with about 10 partition, leaving 1 & 2 untouched, only repartition 3-10 |
| 10:53.55 | MikkelK | TwistedEmotions, It used to work, but now it's all fu**** up |
| 10:54.21 | TwistedEmotions | MikkelK: You trying to install mythtv? |
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| 10:54.24 | fando | the drawback with so many partitions is they fill up.. i just got the disk full error and had to delete all my cached .debs :( |
| 10:54.35 | MikkelK | TwistedEmotions, no |
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| 10:54.59 | TwistedEmotions | MikkelK: That's what I wanted it for... but was too much of a paid in the ass... so I gave up. |
| 10:55.06 | fando | oh yeah, how do you disable caching the debs? |
| 10:55.12 | vakYpollo | where could I change at system-wide level the ulimit -u limit? |
| 10:55.17 | Octavian | fando: sfdisk seems to be unable to delete partitions actually.. is this correct? |
| 10:55.47 | fando | Octavian, it says it can repartition in the man page |
| 10:56.05 | fando | that means it can create and delete them, which is dangerous |
| 10:56.15 | Octavian | fando: yes, but... do you see a switch to actually remove a partition? :) |
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| 10:56.39 | fando | wait, it says only create |
| 10:56.48 | fando | says that its purpose is for scripting too |
| 10:57.19 | aidehua | I want to install some debian packages on my iBook but a repository I am using only has i386 binary packages. Is there a tool that can build a powerpc package of the software I want, and build packages of all the dependencies, and do it all automatically? |
| 10:57.45 | aidehua | (I am loathe to walk the dependency tree for this package building each individual dependency one at a time -- yawn!) |
| 10:57.46 | fando | Octavian, I don't know, better research it :( |
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| 10:58.52 | Octavian | fando: what does d-installer use? |
| 10:59.20 | Octavian | the debian-installer source .deb is almost empty |
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| 11:01.19 | Radius_Vector | Im getting a /dev/dsp cannot be opened error. It keeps using the Null device for sound.Please help. Im running KDE. |
| 11:01.25 | bugged | hi ppl |
| 11:01.38 | TBBle | Radius_Vector: Do you have /dev/dsp? |
| 11:01.43 | goron | What are the escape characters in openoffice in the formula editor? |
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| 11:01.46 | bugged | does anyone knows a good program for MSN Messenger for console? |
| 11:01.55 | bugged | *of |
| 11:02.01 | Octavian | Radius: try 'alsaconf' (as root) |
| 11:02.03 | TBBle | bugged: Centericq? |
| 11:02.08 | petemc | bugged: centericq used to work, bitlbee |
| 11:02.13 | YAYI | OLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 11:02.15 | Radius_Vector | TBBle: I think I do, anyway how do i double check |
| 11:02.23 | TBBle | Radius_Vector: ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 11:02.24 | bugged | TBBle: but does it works for msn? |
| 11:02.36 | Radius_Vector | Octavian: Alsa conf doesnt recognize my sound card |
| 11:02.43 | TBBle | bugged: It did last time I tried, but I haven't used it in a month or two. Apparently there's been a change in MSN protocol |
| 11:02.56 | bugged | TBBle: yes :s |
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| 11:03.02 | bugged | but i'll try |
| 11:03.04 | bugged | thks |
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| 11:03.08 | Octavian | Radius: then thats the problem. do you use debian-kernel or own kernel? |
| 11:03.28 | Radius_Vector | Octavian: I use the debian kernel |
| 11:03.33 | Radius_Vector | rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jul 4 15:24 /dev/dsp -> dsp0 |
| 11:03.49 | Radius_Vector | TBBle: i got that when I did ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 11:04.11 | Octavian | radius: what does lspci say about your soundcard? |
| 11:04.14 | YAYI | yo no saver ingles mucho |
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| 11:04.32 | jamey3 | If I install a MySQL with "apt-get install mysql-server" (Debian) what do I have to do post-install to get it fully working? Thanks |
| 11:04.37 | Radius_Vector | Octavian: MagicMedia 256AV Sound card |
| 11:05.05 | Radius_Vector | NeoMagic MagicMedia Audio (256 AV) |
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| 11:05.14 | TinoW | .oO(apt-get install postgresql ;) |
| 11:05.49 | rasputnik | I just tried the 'install from hard drive' trick to bootstrap a sarge install, and it failed because it couldn't find the CD :/ - should I be using the netboot image instead? |
| 11:06.03 | jamey3 | TinoW, why PostgreSQL? |
| 11:06.20 | TinoW | jamey3: you wrote about "fully working" ;) |
| 11:06.24 | YAYI | what da i have to do ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 11:06.30 | JPat | can someone tell me how many cds I need for Debian? |
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| 11:06.34 | jamey3 | TinoW, lol biased... everyone seems to love PostgreSQL, why? |
| 11:06.36 | Sir | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.38 | Octavian | Radius: I found this about your card: http://www.linuxfreunde.de/marl/mobile510/mobile510.html |
| 11:06.49 | TinoW | jamey3: because it speaks SQL? :) |
| 11:06.57 | jamey3 | Sir, have you loaded the ATI driver? |
| 11:06.57 | TinoW | jamey3: and is a real rdbms? ;) |
| 11:06.59 | rasputnik | jamey3: because it's really good. proper professional sql server rather than a toy that recently became usable |
| 11:07.10 | jamey3 | TinoW, and MySQL doesn't speak SQL? |
| 11:07.20 | Octavian | Radious: it seems that is shows itself as ISA card, you can't use autodetection |
| 11:07.23 | TinoW | jamey3: not really. |
| 11:07.23 | jamey3 | wow, I never knew that's what people though |
| 11:07.37 | jamey3 | So why the hell are there so many PHP/MySQL based scripts? |
| 11:07.41 | YAYI | vete aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacagar si no ascagaooooo |
| 11:07.43 | TinoW | jamey3: http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html |
| 11:08.05 | rasputnik | jamey3: because php and mysql go together like unprotected sex and the clap |
| 11:08.05 | TinoW | jamey3: because there is an unlimited number of er.. "not so" competent programmers |
| 11:08.06 | Radius_Vector | Octavian: Yes Indeed. |
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| 11:08.36 | Radius_Vector | Octavian: I was talking to another guy about this, he asked me to kill a few processes he picked from ps aux | grep arts and sound worked fine? |
| 11:08.43 | Silicon | only retards have unprotected sex |
| 11:08.44 | TinoW | YAYI: please stop that |
| 11:08.50 | jamey3 | rasputnik and TinoW, I see |
| 11:09.00 | rasputnik | Silicon: my point exactly :) |
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| 11:09.04 | jamey3 | so you would always go for PostgreSQL if you could? |
| 11:09.07 | YAYI | laura vete alamierda |
| 11:09.20 | TinoW | jamey3: yes, usually you do. Especially when you want to learn SQL |
| 11:09.41 | jamey3 | TinoW, I didn't intend to make the sound like it was in the 2nd person |
| 11:09.45 | jamey3 | lol |
| 11:09.52 | rasputnik | jamey3: there are some things that don't support it, but there are much less wierd quirks about it - although google for 'postgresql gotchas' after you read the mysql link |
| 11:10.01 | goron | Already got it. |
| 11:10.05 | Sir | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.10 | jamey3 | yeah it's got a link to the postgresql gotchas on that page |
| 11:10.14 | Sir | but I compiled all modules in the kernel |
| 11:10.17 | jamey3 | Sir, I had the same problem |
| 11:10.28 | jamey3 | you have to install the fglrx package/module |
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| 11:10.37 | rmrfchik | hi |
| 11:10.50 | jamey3 | TinoW and rasputnik, what do you think of SQLite? |
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| 11:10.58 | rmrfchik | where I can find Error Codes which openssl prints on stderr? like this: 26090:error:21075071:PKCS7 routines:PKCS7_verify:wrong content type:pk7_smime.c:166: |
| 11:10.59 | rasputnik | Does the Debian installer have the ipw2100 driver included? |
| 11:11.00 | Sir | ive done that |
| 11:11.31 | Radius_Vector | Octavian: So do I downloade the modules.conf for the ALSA and then put it on my system?? |
| 11:11.45 | rasputnik | jamey3: I really like it, it's got quirks but it's nice and fast. I'd use that for speed and pgsql when I need top stability |
| 11:11.52 | Sir | and ive run the configuration script that comes with fglrx |
| 11:12.11 | chealer | rasputnik: no, the firmware needs to be upgraded |
| 11:12.16 | jamey3 | rasputnik, great... because I've chosen SQLite for a small business website I'm coding |
| 11:12.18 | rasputnik | jamey3: I've been doing a lot of RubyOnRails work lately, which lets you switch between the three really easily |
| 11:12.31 | rza | rmrfchik: read source |
| 11:12.33 | jamey3 | Sir, have you changed the driver to "ati" in your Xorg config though? |
| 11:12.52 | jamey3 | rasputnik, I've noticed lots of RubyOnRails stuff flying around.. what the hell is it all about? |
| 11:12.53 | TinoW | jamey3: sqlite is nice when you want to bundle software with the database. But it has some quirks and you need to be carefull when you have concurrent access (like typical web application) |
| 11:12.53 | rasputnik | jamey3: other nice thing about sqlite is that it's fairly easy to migrate schema to/from postgres |
| 11:12.56 | Sir | using xorgconfigure? |
| 11:13.13 | jamey3 | Sir, yes |
| 11:13.18 | jamey3 | or edit it manually yourself |
| 11:13.26 | jamey3 | rasputnik, so fairly compatible syntax/schema? |
| 11:13.54 | rasputnik | chealer: do you mean it's not there at all (for licensing reasons I guess)? so you'd have to do the install first, then grab it? |
| 11:14.05 | Sir | I ran the similar script that comes with fglrx... it had similar promopts to xorgconfigure |
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| 11:14.20 | rasputnik | jamey3: yeah, have a look at the site, there's a flag you can give sqlite to dump in postgresql compatible format |
| 11:14.52 | Sir | I think its a modified version of the xorgconfigure script |
| 11:14.59 | Sir | modified for ati |
| 11:15.12 | jamey3 | rasputnik, very nice. Has nobody made a "gotcha-free" RDBMS?! |
| 11:15.21 | chealer | rasputnik: yes, the driver is in contrib, and you need to get the firmware from ipw2100.sf.net if you want it to work |
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| 11:16.31 | Eulex | Sir, you should not run the fglrx config scripts, follow the instructions at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 11:16.46 | TinoW | jamey3: I guess its not possible. But look carefully at the relevance of the gotchas |
| 11:16.52 | Eulex | Sir, and please change your nick, I hate to adress you as "Sir" |
| 11:17.13 | jamey3 | TinoW, you mean... there are many more MySQL gotchas, plus they're more dangerous and stupid? |
| 11:17.22 | jamey3 | Sir, ditto on Eulex's comment |
| 11:17.22 | TinoW | jamey3: exactly |
| 11:17.37 | jamey3 | TinoW, what do *you* think of SQLite then? |
| 11:18.30 | rasputnik | jamey3: sqlite is a bit 'sloppy' for a rdbms in some ways (see http://sqlite.org/datatype3.html ). but depending on your app, that may not be a biggy |
| 11:18.57 | TinoW | jamey3: I've seen in it context of trac, which makes it easy install but not absolutely stable for heavy web access. Its just a different target |
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| 11:19.49 | TinoW | jamey3: its always a matter of security if a database lives in your applications address space or is truly separate |
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| 11:20.22 | jamey3 | TinoW, I see... what would be your perfect RDBMS then? Fully SQL-compliant with no gotchas, high security, high performance and good expandibility? |
| 11:21.03 | TinoW | jamey3: no gotchas will be impossible. See, what the ones gotcha is the others feature |
| 11:21.23 | jamey3 | TinoW, well just make it almost feature-less but incredibly fast. |
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| 11:22.14 | TinoW | jamey3: "fast" just depends |
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| 11:22.39 | iXiiON | hi |
| 11:23.10 | iXiiON | i need some help please :) |
| 11:23.17 | jamey3 | TinoW, SQLite is pretty damn fast but only because it's built-in to PHP 5 and it is architectured AFAIK completely differently from the likes of "proper" RDBMS' |
| 11:23.28 | jamey3 | iXiiON, go ahead: ask your question |
| 11:23.33 | iXiiON | okay |
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| 11:24.11 | iXiiON | i want to swich my hdd und copy my linux from the old hdd to the new one |
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| 11:24.19 | iXiiON | how can i do this ? |
| 11:24.21 | jm_ | iXiiON: hard disk upgrade mini howto |
| 11:25.06 | iXiiON | where can i find it ? |
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| 11:25.14 | TinoW | jamey3: beeing built in to PHP is not really a reason to be fast ;) |
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| 11:25.52 | nicknacknuked | Will there be any chance that Broadcom tg3 driver being merged again in debian's kernel ? |
| 11:26.03 | TinoW | jamey3: also speed of databases depend more on your schema and your queries |
| 11:26.17 | jamey3 | TinoW, oh okay |
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| 11:26.26 | jamey3 | TinoW, well I feel at loss. What database should I use?! |
| 11:26.30 | jamey3 | sorry, RDBMS |
| 11:26.32 | nicknacknuked | I have some server that have these network devices only.. and I'm stuck with 2.6.8 ? |
| 11:26.38 | TinoW | jamey3: you use the one which works best in your case :) |
| 11:26.47 | Eulex | nicknacknuked, those were removed from the 2.6.11 kernel because of copyright or patent issues, I don't remember which |
| 11:26.51 | TinoW | jamey3: this means you carefully explore your case first :) |
| 11:27.06 | Eulex | nicknacknuked, and thus they most probably won't be added again |
| 11:28.07 | nicknacknuked | Eulex : oh shoot... I tried to find their sources.. but I can only find sources that resulting in bcm5700.ko .. and I'm confuse now.. |
| 11:28.28 | Eulex | nicknacknuked, if you want to use 2.6.8, your best option is to compile your own kernel -- though I don't see why you would want 2.6.11 on a server |
| 11:28.28 | nicknacknuked | where should I find sources that results in tg3.ko ? |
| 11:28.49 | iXiiON | is there a debian channel for beginners ? |
| 11:28.50 | Eulex | nicknacknuked, I think (but I'm not entirely sure) that they are in the vanilla kernel |
| 11:29.19 | nicknacknuked | Eulex : PCI-Xpress support on 2.6.8 does not exist, I tried looking... |
| 11:29.21 | TBBle | iXiiON: I think you're in it. |
| 11:29.33 | iXiiON | ok nice |
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| 11:30.07 | Radius_Vector | Some process is hogging my /dev/dsp and Im not getting any sound. I get an error while booting kde saying "/dev/dsp cannot be loaded" |
| 11:30.08 | iXiiON | because dont want to bore the people with noob questions :) |
| 11:30.20 | rasputnik | jamey3: what app? |
| 11:30.23 | jamey3 | TinoW, my scenario is for small business websites |
| 11:30.29 | jamey3 | so probably SQLite then |
| 11:30.37 | nicknacknuked | Eulex: You got any network device that uses this kind of drivers ? |
| 11:30.41 | jamey3 | but I mean, what do you personally use your databasing for? |
| 11:30.46 | Eulex | nicknacknuked, nope |
| 11:30.58 | rasputnik | jamey3: if you're rolling your own I'd say start with sqlite for development, then see about pgsql later |
| 11:30.59 | Eulex | nicknacknuked, oh, do you mean tg3 or pcie? |
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| 11:31.37 | Radius_Vector | Come on, not a single person ? I have a presentation tomorrow and this sound means life or death to me. Please ! |
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| 11:31.44 | jamey3 | rasputnik, thanks I'll do that |
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| 11:32.00 | nicknacknuked | Eulex : My machine has broiadcomm and PCI-X |
| 11:32.06 | TinoW | jamey3: business? You mean financial transactions? |
| 11:32.10 | nicknacknuked | Eulex : bad combo I guess |
| 11:32.32 | Eulex | nicknacknuked, I got my pci-x video card to work on 2.6.8 |
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| 11:33.08 | jamey3 | TinoW, yeah |
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| 11:33.16 | vhuren | how could I convert a unix timestamp to a normal date? |
| 11:33.35 | Radius_Vector | Eulex: Some process is hogging my /dev/dsp and Im not getting any sound. I get an error while booting kde saying "/dev/dsp cannot be loaded", theres absolutely no sound. Please help ..... |
| 11:33.50 | TinoW | jamey3: this certainly rules out mysql anyway ;) For web projects I'd go postgres nevertheless. Much less pain |
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| 11:34.19 | nicknacknuked | Eulex : well yes, all my PCIs worked too.. I'm just trying anything new :D .. but to found that tg3 has been removed since 2.6.11 made me worried.. |
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| 11:35.21 | nicknacknuked | I got similar probs with 2.6.x with my starfire card too... says "Something wicked happened!" on /var/log/messages |
| 11:35.33 | TinoW | jamey3: in oposition to a desk application where you want to sell the database with the application |
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| 11:35.59 | liable | Radius_Vector: what does 'lsof /dev/dsp' say? |
| 11:36.22 | Morti | Anyone know how big a minimal Potato install is? |
| 11:36.46 | nicknacknuked | Radius_Vector : maybe wrong permission on/to device /dev/dsp |
| 11:36.47 | Eulex | Radius_Vector, have you got alsa installed? have you run alsaconf? can you get sound in any app? |
| 11:36.50 | _paul | Radius_Vector: Try changing to ALSA in the sound server setup... |
| 11:36.54 | TinoW | Morti: there are seed potatoes, which are really small |
| 11:36.57 | TinoW | ;) |
| 11:36.59 | jamey3 | TinoW, cool. Thanks for the help |
| 11:36.59 | Radius_Vector | liable: I just did modprobe sb and it seems to work, but when i reboot the problem starts again! |
| 11:37.02 | hid3 | hello everyone.. Is it possible let's say for eth0 have ip address 192.168.0.1 with netmask 255.255.255.0 and at the same time for eth1 to have ip 192.168.0.2 with the same netmask? |
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| 11:37.06 | dondelelcaro | Morti: pretty small. The size of the base.tar.gz should give you an idea. |
| 11:37.13 | sep | Morti cant remember been too long |
| 11:37.17 | liable | Radius_Vector: well, put it in /etc/modules. |
| 11:37.23 | Morti | Reckon it'd fit in 100MB? |
| 11:37.28 | dondelelcaro | Morti: easily. |
| 11:37.42 | dondelelcaro | Morti: you can fit a sarge install into 100M |
| 11:37.46 | Radius_Vector | I also killed a few processes I caught from ps aux | grep arts |
| 11:37.52 | Morti | Woody ended up at 152MB. |
| 11:37.54 | Radius_Vector | I think those processed interfere with my sound |
| 11:37.57 | TinoW | bbl |
| 11:37.58 | werdnaxoc | Do you think Mplayer will get shut down? |
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| 11:38.02 | _paul | Radius_Vector: apt-get install alsa-base; alsamixer (unmute Master and PCM); alsactl store |
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| 11:38.04 | deadcat | Morti: woody is 89MB |
| 11:38.06 | dondelelcaro | Morti: that's because you installed things. |
| 11:38.15 | TBBle | hid3: Possible. If they're on the same network cable, probably OK. If they're on different links, you're asking for a lot of pain. (unless you're bridging?( |
| 11:38.22 | Morti | The Debian installer fills the hard drive rather well. |
| 11:38.44 | Radius_Vector | _paul: I have alsa-base, alsa doesnt recognize my sound card, its a Magicmedia 256 AV |
| 11:38.44 | Morti | is apt a bit inefficient with space? |
| 11:38.45 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: and not apt-get clean |
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| 11:39.02 | dondelelcaro | Morti: no, it's not. It installs what you ask it to install. |
| 11:39.10 | _paul | Radius_ |
| 11:39.12 | werdnaxoc | what does apt-get clean do? |
| 11:39.13 | dondelelcaro | Morti: if you ask it to install random crap, it will do that. |
| 11:39.16 | werdnaxoc | does that delete all the .deb files? |
| 11:39.17 | dondelelcaro | werdnaxoc: man apt-get |
| 11:39.17 | Morti | dondelelcaro: I haven't told it to install anything besides the base system. |
| 11:39.23 | werdnaxoc | that are in cache? |
| 11:39.34 | Morti | Currently at 152MB on this machine (which is still setting up) |
| 11:39.48 | TBBle | Radius_Vector: Weren't you told earlier it's an ISA card, and you need to modprobe it by hand? |
| 11:39.48 | _paul | Radius_Vector: Do you need the sound server? Maybe disable it so your apps can work? |
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| 11:39.57 | dondelelcaro | Morti: sure you have. |
| 11:40.03 | dondelelcaro | Morti: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25M 2004-10-17 02:43 base_woody.tar.gz <-- that's a base system. |
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| 11:40.33 | Morti | dondelelcaro: I ran through the standard Woody netinstall, didn't use dselect or tasksel at all, 152MB. |
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| 11:40.51 | dondelelcaro | Morti: yes, which means that you told it to install other things. |
| 11:40.52 | Radius_Vector | TBBle: I guess I was told,but im not very well read in terms of hardware, i guess my question was stupid and noobish.. but one last noob question..how do I add modprobe sb to my startup routine |
| 11:41.04 | TBBle | Radius_Vector: Add 'sb' to /etc/modules. |
| 11:41.05 | Morti | dondelelcaro: When? |
| 11:41.07 | dondelelcaro | Morti: if you want a minimal install, you need to use debootstrap, and only install specific packages. |
| 11:41.10 | OleMoudi | whats with user "debian-syst-maint" who appeared after the mysql installation? Can I revoke its privileges and delete him with without problem? |
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| 11:41.23 | dondelelcaro | OleMoudi: it's used to sanely shut down the mysql server |
| 11:41.43 | dondelelcaro | OleMoudi: generally you want it, but it can be deleted if you change the init.d scripts |
| 11:42.05 | OleMoudi | does it have some kind of default password? |
| 11:42.20 | torrent_masters | hmm |
| 11:42.24 | torrent_masters | how accurate is bwm? |
| 11:42.25 | TBBle | OleMoudi: It's generated on install |
| 11:42.29 | Radius_Vector | Thanks all for the help |
| 11:42.48 | caphuso | OleMoudi: check the password field in /etc/shadow |
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| 11:43.25 | werdnaxoc | !dpkg debootstrap |
| 11:43.26 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install> |
| 11:43.38 | sep | OleMoudi: dont mess with debian-sys-maint, |
| 11:43.41 | OleMoudi | caphuso, it does not appear |
| 11:44.04 | caphuso | OleMoudi: define "does not appear" |
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| 11:44.16 | torrent_masters | caphuso: do you know how accurate bwm bandwidth monitor is? |
| 11:44.25 | OleMoudi | caphuso, in /etc/shadow, the user debian-sys-maint |
| 11:44.36 | sep | OleMoudi: it's the user debian uses for upgrades and start stop safely and it's mentioned when you installed mysql |
| 11:44.38 | caphuso | OleMoudi: how about /etc/passwd? |
| 11:45.00 | sep | OleMoudi: passwords for mysql uses are in the mysql base inside mysql not in passwd or shadow |
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| 11:45.11 | TBBle | It's a mysql user only, not a system user. |
| 11:45.25 | caphuso | ah |
| 11:45.34 | sep | OleMoudi: but its needed and its secure, so dont worry about it |
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| 11:45.41 | pvs | Hi all ! I'm can't configure Cisco airo 340 client adapter (PCI radio card). /opt/cisco/bin/acu write me: No radio found. I'm download drivers from cisco.com and compile driver. I'm put airo.o in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless and execute depmod -a and modprobe airo. |
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| 11:46.07 | OleMoudi | I see, what I would like to know guys is if I must change the password for that user, or should I do something because the default installation leaves some other security risk Im not aware of |
| 11:46.20 | OleMoudi | I already changed root password |
| 11:46.25 | sep | OleMoudi: it's randomy generated a very secur password on install. |
| 11:46.31 | sep | root password you should set yes. |
| 11:46.42 | OleMoudi | ok |
| 11:46.42 | _paul | OleMoudi: read /usr/share/doc/apache/ |
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| 11:47.14 | _paul | OleMoudi: README.Debian |
| 11:47.19 | TwistedLappy | How do I move a file between lan computers? I hate ssh access... but I cant just use copy or mv commands can I? |
| 11:47.33 | OleMoudi | ok _paul |
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| 11:47.45 | TwistedLappy | and if I want to use wget I have to set it up... which I havent done... so is there a easier way? |
| 11:47.46 | fatal__ | TwistedLappy: scp |
| 11:47.53 | TwistedLappy | fatal__: thanks |
| 11:47.59 | caphuso | heh |
| 11:48.04 | caphuso | fatal__: nice one :) |
| 11:48.04 | TBBle | LisBut scp uses ssh? |
| 11:48.20 | toresbe | TBBle: yeah |
| 11:48.21 | rasputnik | TBBle: yes |
| 11:48.34 | sep | OleMoudi: replace apache with mysql-server in _paul's link to get the readme for mysql server |
| 11:48.38 | caphuso | well, if nobody tell TwistedLappy, he probably won't notice ;-) |
| 11:48.47 | toresbe | TBBle: Is the problem that you're annoyed at constantly typing the password? |
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| 11:49.12 | TBBle | toresbe: I'm not the original poster. ^_^ |
| 11:49.19 | BaP|Magnethead | Hey, I am installing a download version of Debian on a small laptop connected to the Internet through an USB 2.0 to Ethernet converter, but Debians install can't recognize it. What do I do here? |
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| 11:49.22 | TwistedLappy | caphuso: Heh? |
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| 11:50.33 | toresbe | oh :P |
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| 11:51.09 | BaP|Magnethead | anyone? :) |
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| 11:51.27 | _paul | sep: You are right. sorry |
| 11:51.29 | sep | BaP|Magnethead: debootstrap install or a unofficial installer or perhaps you can load the modules manually on another console |
| 11:51.45 | Radius_Vector | adding sb to /etc/modules doesnt seem to the do the job for some lame reason :| I have to modprobe manually again and then it works. |
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| 11:52.52 | BaP|Magnethead | sep: I myst admit to being pretty new working with Linux, but do I need a specific driver or is the reason that my USB port isnt installed at that time? |
| 11:53.17 | BaP|Magnethead | I tried Ubuntu Linux earlier on, and it had no problems |
| 11:53.50 | piernik | I'm installing vmware on sid and it wants gcc 3.3.4 but I have 3.3.6 Shall i get the old one(how) ? |
| 11:55.12 | sep | BaP|Magnethead: perhaps iv not done that install read the help in the boot meny read the install manual. if you cant cut it manualy doa debootrapinstall from a livecd |
| 11:55.51 | TwistedLappy | piernik: try changing your apt sources to stable and see if it's there... I run sid too.. and vmware gave me no problems durring install.. but then again I installed like 2 months ago.. |
| 11:55.53 | sep | ,.,. <-- add them in correct places across my previous line. |
| 11:55.58 | BaP|Magnethead | sep: by a debootrapinstall you mean downloading the full install? |
| 11:56.29 | piernik | ok thanks |
| 11:57.16 | sep | BaP|Magnethead: no it's where you install debian onto your harddrive from the net, using one of the many debian based livecd's |
| 11:58.16 | BaP|Magnethead | sep: now I'm really going newby on you, but I am very new to Linux :). What is a livecd and where do I get one? |
| 11:58.21 | _paul | Is there anyway to speedup hotplug on boot? |
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| 12:00.11 | sep | BaP|Magnethead: livecd is a cd the run linux entierly from cdrom, like knoppix/meppis, god knows what else |
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| 12:00.29 | sep | _paul: i'v found dpkg -P hotplug to be the fastest way |
| 12:00.40 | _paul | sep: nice |
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| 12:00.56 | sep | uhh paul you know that removes hotplug i hope |
| 12:01.11 | _paul | sep: of course |
| 12:01.28 | BaP|Magnethead | sep: aaah like Puppy for example. So youre saying that if I did that, I could get the network going and then run the install from an already installed version of Linux? |
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| 12:02.27 | sep | BaP|Magnethead: with a livecd you dont install anything it runs from the cd. |
| 12:03.26 | sep | BaP|Magnethead: and get a book or 3 |
| 12:03.44 | BaP|Magnethead | sep: right. But you mean that the live-cd will install the network correctly and then from that platform I can install debian? |
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| 12:03.51 | sep | BaP|Magnethead: yes |
| 12:04.05 | sep | BaP|Magnethead: also read the debian install guide and the debian reference |
| 12:04.09 | fge | hi all. whats the users mozilla firefox plugin dir |
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| 12:04.15 | BaP|Magnethead | sep: thank you, and I would if I didn't have a million other things to read :) |
| 12:04.22 | BaP|Magnethead | sep: i am currently, and thanks again |
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| 12:07.09 | Eulex | fge, /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins |
| 12:07.14 | jBox | I grabbed the netinst iso, I need to set now partitions, what paritions debian (sarge) needs? root and swap? |
| 12:07.37 | fge | i symlinked but firefox still says it could'nt find plugins of java |
| 12:07.40 | Morti | Hm. The Potato installer is nicer than the Woody installer. |
| 12:08.06 | jBox | to install debian I need '/' partition and swap? |
| 12:08.13 | jBox | quite new to debian |
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| 12:08.30 | sep | jBox: yes |
| 12:08.32 | Eulex | jBox, yes, that's the basic setup |
| 12:08.40 | jBox | okay |
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| 12:09.00 | jBox | what about co-boot with winxp? will debian (lilo/grub) find the windows partiton for me? |
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| 12:09.03 | wintix | is anyone able to help with a simple cvs problem? |
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| 12:09.18 | VivekVC | what is the difference between dhcp and dhcp3 |
| 12:09.25 | Eulex | jBox, yes, at least grub will do that, I dunno about lilo |
| 12:09.42 | Morti | LILO would but GRUB is nicer anyway. |
| 12:09.45 | jBox | debian uses grub |
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| 12:09.46 | jBox | ? |
| 12:09.49 | nkuttler | wintix: just ask |
| 12:10.21 | Eulex | jBox, yes, as default, but you can use lilo too if you want |
| 12:10.26 | jBox | okay |
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| 12:10.57 | jBox | oka |
| 12:10.58 | jBox | okay |
| 12:11.05 | wintix | nkuttler: i want to get wellenreiter from cvs. i logged in to the cvs-server but on the sf-website it says that i have to give a module-name, but i dont know what module. i just want to get wellenreiter |
| 12:11.07 | jBox | i'm migrating from RHEL :) |
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| 12:14.33 | Gecko | Hello. Could anyone please point me to a site that describes how to customize a debian distribution? |
| 12:14.54 | pengo | www.google.com |
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| 12:14.59 | Eulex | Gecko, "customize"? |
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| 12:15.39 | Gecko | Eulex, I want to just have the packages I need... |
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| 12:16.29 | PerfDave | Gecko: So just install the packages you want. |
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| 12:17.09 | Gecko | PerfDave, well I want it to be automatic |
| 12:17.28 | Eulex | Gecko, http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD |
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| 12:18.02 | PerfDave | Gecko: Automatic how? Debian should read your mind? |
| 12:18.26 | goron | PerfDave: That's planned for Debian 9, I thought |
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| 12:18.40 | jBox | isnt debian at 3.1 now? |
| 12:18.45 | war- | yup |
| 12:18.46 | war- | Etch |
| 12:18.46 | VivekVC | dhcp and dhcp3 seems to be mutually exclusive, installing one seems to uninstall the other. |
| 12:19.03 | sep | VivekVC: naturally, you dont want to run 2 dhcp servers |
| 12:19.15 | vali | VivekVC, dhcp is dhcp2 IIRC |
| 12:19.19 | jBox | is debian suitble for daily desktop usage? |
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| 12:19.30 | jBox | or is it for workstations, servers, etc? |
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| 12:19.38 | PerfDave | jBox: I use it on my desktop every day. |
| 12:19.46 | VivekVC | vali: apt-cache search dhcp |
| 12:19.55 | Eulex | jBox, I do so too |
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| 12:20.01 | _paul | jBox: I install it every where |
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| 12:20.07 | nevyn | jBox: it depends on what you want from a desktop |
| 12:20.09 | jBox | I get the impression (from various sites, reviews, etc) that debian is not so user friendly.. |
| 12:20.12 | jBox | though it's strong |
| 12:20.22 | pengo | jBox, nor are the users |
| 12:20.26 | PerfDave | jBox: Debian is plenty user friendly. |
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| 12:20.38 | sep | jBox: debian is flexible and versatile you can use it for anything, but it do require more clue then the other big distroes |
| 12:20.46 | _paul | jBox: Debian has a long release cycle and that puts off users... |
| 12:20.47 | vali | VivekVC, apt-cache show dhcp | grep Version |
| 12:20.49 | PerfDave | jBox: 99% of the time, it Just Works and does exactly what you want. That's pretty damn user friendly. |
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| 12:21.01 | jBox | heh |
| 12:21.04 | nevyn | jBox: I'd disagree. very few people review systems concentrating on the long term aspect of maintainance of a system which is where debian excells |
| 12:21.10 | PerfDave | Since installing Debian, I've had to edit precisely one configuration file, and that's to enable some fairly advanced functionality. |
| 12:21.13 | vali | jBox, well, woody was a bit... "manual" |
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| 12:21.28 | vali | now it even detects some hardware !!! lol |
| 12:21.37 | Eulex | vali, even most hardware |
| 12:21.40 | jBox | i was going for sarge :) i grabbed the netinst iso |
| 12:21.50 | acj | Debian is user friendly because it has friendly users :-) |
| 12:21.53 | VivekVC | eeks dhcp3 |
| 12:21.54 | sep | jBox: your computer will thank you |
| 12:21.55 | VivekVC | sorry |
| 12:21.59 | jBox | sep; lol |
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| 12:22.10 | vali | yeah... most hardware (udev and hotplug are great) |
| 12:22.47 | PerfDave | Debian detects hardware even without udev ;) |
| 12:23.00 | pengo | knoppix detects more hardware. |
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| 12:23.05 | VivekVC | vali: its dhcp3 |
| 12:23.07 | jBox | Debian is = Debera + Ian, right? |
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| 12:23.14 | sep | i just wish it would stop detecting all this hardware ! |
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| 12:23.26 | PerfDave | jBox: Yes, for some spelling of "Debera" ;) |
| 12:23.38 | goron | Of all the *Linux* distributions I have seen, Debian is best (for my purposes). |
| 12:23.57 | jBox | goron; what are you're purposes? |
| 12:24.06 | PerfDave | Argh! "your"! |
| 12:24.15 | jBox | your! sorry |
| 12:24.35 | goron | jBox: Some programming, some Java, (desktop usage). |
| 12:24.42 | Eulex | jBox, I have no idea what "you are purposes" is ;P |
| 12:24.50 | sep | PerfDave: are you some sort of english teacher ? |
| 12:24.59 | PerfDave | sep: Not professionally. |
| 12:25.00 | goron | !ur |
| 12:25.00 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
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| 12:25.07 | vali | goron, are you using xml? |
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| 12:25.21 | goron | vali: For what? |
| 12:25.22 | PerfDave | I also use Debian on my server for Scary Network Stuff ;) |
| 12:25.39 | vali | I am searching a good Docbook editor |
| 12:25.50 | _paul | Mythtv also works well on it. |
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| 12:25.59 | goron | vali: I used gvim. But I am sure there are better editors. |
| 12:26.03 | vali | the best I found was psgml for emacs... i hate emacs |
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| 12:26.08 | n3x_ | Anyone know how i can make a bash script into a Linux Executable? |
| 12:26.09 | n3x_ | like something people cant read |
| 12:26.22 | goron | n3x_: Yes, write a compiler. |
| 12:26.40 | PerfDave | n3x_: Executables can be decompiled, you know. |
| 12:26.41 | n3x_ | is ther eone thats already written |
| 12:26.46 | Knight_Lord | n3x_ that's short for you can't |
| 12:26.58 | PerfDave | n3x_: If nobody can read it, how can the computer execute it? :) |
| 12:27.15 | n3x_ | PerfDave: Not readable by humans |
| 12:27.18 | vali | then I take a look at quanta... but it doesn't parse the DTD |
| 12:27.26 | n3x_ | like the executable touch or ls |
| 12:27.29 | goron | n3x_: The logic can always be retrieved by humans. |
| 12:27.33 | PerfDave | n3x_: Machine-readable things can be trivially translated into human-readable things. |
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| 12:27.44 | PerfDave | n3x_: More seriously, why do you want to hide the contents of a bash script? |
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| 12:28.09 | goron | n3x_: There's a lot of research to render "closed software" in to open source software. |
| 12:28.36 | n3x_ | goron: more i just wanty to make a simple executable |
| 12:28.44 | n3x_ | that i can distribute |
| 12:28.52 | n3x_ | the code is freely avaliable |
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| 12:29.19 | PerfDave | n3x_: chmod +x myscript.sh |
| 12:29.37 | n3x_ | PerfDave: yea i know that |
| 12:30.15 | goron | n3x_: Maybe it's useful to find out whether the tool you are using is suitable for the job next time. |
| 12:30.41 | PerfDave | n3x_: Why do you want to make a non-human-readable executable if the source is available anyway? |
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| 12:31.21 | n3x_ | PerfDave: why is there ever files that arent readable |
| 12:31.25 | n3x_ | stupid question |
| 12:31.34 | PerfDave | n3x_: There are no files that aren't human readable. We've been over that. |
| 12:31.40 | sep | n3x_ why can't you just distribute the simple script ? |
| 12:32.02 | PerfDave | n3x_: There are binary executables because they're written in languages like C in the first place. There are also plenty of executables on your system which are written in shell or Perl or whatever. |
| 12:32.11 | n3x_ | so your say nano /bin/bash is perfectly readable |
| 12:32.33 | PerfDave | No, but it can be rendered so by a decompiler. |
| 12:32.42 | n3x_ | i dont mind it it can be |
| 12:32.46 | jharrisonwk | or look at the source |
| 12:32.47 | n3x_ | gah forget it |
| 12:33.00 | n3x_ | exactly people can look at the source if thery want to |
| 12:33.19 | jharrisonwk | so if you want to look at /bin/bash go look at the bash source |
| 12:33.34 | initech | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.45 | n3x_ | jharrisonwk: exactly.. all i want to do is make a file line that |
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| 12:33.54 | PerfDave | n3x_: So write it in C, not bash. |
| 12:34.04 | _paul | n3x_ or java |
| 12:34.07 | n3x_ | as i said forget it too hard someone else simply told me how to |
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| 12:34.20 | Elvis | whats the next step to track down when dpkg/apt has a half configured package? It breaks on post-installation script |
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| 12:34.34 | n3x_ | actually its a routing program to separate data |
| 12:34.37 | jharrisonwk | PerfDave: yeah for some reason he doesnt want people reading the source |
| 12:34.54 | tell | hi, im trying to install fasttrack and gnutella plugins for apollon. ./configure runs well, but when i do 'make' i get errormessages. what could be wrong |
| 12:34.55 | goron | n3x_: Besides you should be asking #bash |
| 12:34.55 | tell | ? |
| 12:34.58 | jharrisonwk | plesk sucks! |
| 12:35.00 | bya | Hi all |
| 12:35.07 | Elvis | I looked at the script and where it is breaking it is calling a debconf/confmodule which is calling debconf/frontend |
| 12:35.19 | PerfDave | tell: Why don't you tell us what the error you get is? We're not psychic. |
| 12:35.20 | _paul | n3x_: it is a internet worm? |
| 12:35.24 | bya | I have problem with my Sound Blaster Live 5.1 under Debian Sarge |
| 12:35.24 | PerfDave | tell: Also, /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 12:35.43 | goron | _paul: I don't think he will say when he is. |
| 12:35.55 | goron | how naive |
| 12:35.58 | yam | how can I build customized kernels on a machine? Those kernels are not for that machine but for some disk-less boxes |
| 12:35.58 | bya | I only have sound from the front speakers, not from rear ones |
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| 12:36.14 | PerfDave | yam: /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
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| 12:36.22 | yam | ok |
| 12:36.28 | PerfDave | bya: Load up alsamixer, turn the volume up on the rear speakers. |
| 12:36.29 | tell | PerfDave : well, it starts off with: fst_search.h:57: error: syntax error before "IFEvent" |
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| 12:36.41 | _paul | goron: I was hopeing for a copy, but I could wait until he releases it... |
| 12:36.45 | PerfDave | tell: Looks like your source is failing to compile. |
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| 12:37.12 | PerfDave | tell: Which is probably a bug in the plugins, and not really a Debian-related question. You will want to find out who's responsible for that code. |
| 12:37.13 | bya | PerfDave: the problem is ALSA detect my sound card as an SOund blaster, not a 5.1 one |
| 12:37.26 | tell | PerfDave : ok |
| 12:37.35 | PerfDave | bya: Why do you think that ALSA detects your sound card as a regular Sound Blaster? |
| 12:37.42 | pvs | Anyone can me help with configuring PCI cisco aironet 340 adapter ? |
| 12:37.43 | mike__ | hi, im wondering how to use cron to execute 1 command daily. I have made a file and put it in cron.daily but it doesn't seem to work. any ideas about what i am doing wrong? |
| 12:37.43 | goron | _paul: Buy Windows without service pack. Plenty of worms for you to analyze within 10 minutes. |
| 12:37.51 | plovs | what command do i need to see all dependencies a package has? |
| 12:37.57 | bya | PerfDave: because when I run alsaconf, it shows me that |
| 12:37.59 | PerfDave | plovs: apt-cache show $package |
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| 12:38.09 | plovs | PerfDave: thanks |
| 12:38.12 | yam | perfdave: but that is for making deb packages from a kernel image |
| 12:38.30 | Elvis | mike__: man 5 crontab |
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| 12:38.38 | _paul | mike_: apt-get install anacon |
| 12:38.45 | PerfDave | yam: No, it's for making kernel-image packages from source. |
| 12:38.59 | yam | hmmmm |
| 12:39.00 | mike__ | _paul: i just want to use plain cron. i really don't want to install anything else |
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| 12:39.12 | PerfDave | bya: Hmm, I've never needed to run alsaconf for my 5.1 |
| 12:39.32 | Elvis | mike__: You could try putting it in your users crontab and setting what time you want it to run |
| 12:39.33 | mike__ | Elvis: do i have to use crontab? can't i just make a file with the command in it and place it in cron.daily? |
| 12:39.37 | bya | PerfDave: when I start my PC with Knoppix, the sound functions perfectly |
| 12:39.55 | Elvis | mike__: No I don't think so, its just how I usually do it. |
| 12:40.02 | Raf256 | so... |
| 12:40.02 | bya | if I try starting ALSA, I lose my rear sound |
| 12:40.07 | mike__ | Elvis: okay |
| 12:40.08 | Raf256 | end of Debian in EU in just few days eh? |
| 12:40.16 | PerfDave | bya: "starting ALSA"? |
| 12:40.23 | plovs | PerfDave: apt-cache show $package shows only the base dependencies, is there some command to get the dependencies of the dependencies as well? |
| 12:40.25 | Eulex | bya, rmmod the sb module and modprobe the right module you need, see alsa-project.org |
| 12:40.38 | bya | PerfDave: do you use OSS module or alsa one? |
| 12:40.54 | PerfDave | bya: I use ALSA, the snd_emu10k1 module is automatically loaded by Debian at boot. |
| 12:41.05 | bya | PerfDave: yes |
| 12:41.11 | PerfDave | bya: Are you using a proper Debian kernel-image? |
| 12:41.22 | bya | PerfDave: yes, 2.6.8 |
| 12:41.23 | Raf256 | what parts of debian will be illegal in EU after the voting? |
| 12:41.27 | Raf256 | only non-free packages? |
| 12:41.29 | mike__ | Elvis: is the a correct command? is it acceptable? 01 6 * * * root for i in /etc/webalizer/*.conf; do webalizer -c $i; done |
| 12:41.39 | PerfDave | Raf256: apt |
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| 12:41.40 | cmihai | illegal ?! |
| 12:41.46 | cmihai | 0_o |
| 12:41.55 | Raf256 | cmihai: http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/ |
| 12:42.05 | Raf256 | PerfDave: I ment - seriously |
| 12:42.07 | cmihai | yeah yeah i know that |
| 12:42.11 | bya | Eulex: yes, I have loaded snd-emu10K1, alsa module for SB Live 5.1, but no sound for the rear speakers |
| 12:42.13 | PerfDave | Raf256: Yes, apt. |
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| 12:42.26 | PerfDave | bya: Have you unmuted / raised the volume for the rear speakers in alsamixer? |
| 12:42.31 | Raf256 | PerfDave: cool... and dpkg? |
| 12:42.38 | PerfDave | Raf256: Dunno about dpkg. |
| 12:42.44 | Raf256 | greate |
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| 12:42.51 | cmihai | PerfDave: are you kidding ?! apt ?! |
| 12:42.52 | cmihai | WHY |
| 12:42.55 | cmihai | That's FUD |
| 12:42.59 | PerfDave | That's the trouble with software patents, they're so damn awkward to find out. |
| 12:43.08 | Raf256 | to where... any scandinavian countries are not in EU? |
| 12:43.08 | bya | PerfDave: I found no choice for rear speakers when I execute alsamixer |
| 12:43.12 | Elvis | mike__: Looks right to me |
| 12:43.17 | o932891 | ararararrararararrararararararrrrrgh.. |
| 12:43.18 | bya | PerfDave: which one do you mean? |
| 12:43.23 | PerfDave | bya: But you're using snd_emu10k1, right? |
| 12:43.34 | ak007 | is debian better than fedora? |
| 12:43.35 | bya | PerfDave: yes |
| 12:43.38 | PerfDave | bya: Just play some music and tweak the volume controls until music comes out of the rear speakers. |
| 12:43.44 | mike__ | Elvis: hrmm, i already had that in my crontab and it still isnt working |
| 12:43.53 | PerfDave | ak007: That's a meaningless question. |
| 12:43.54 | cmihai | ak007: you're asking in #debina. |
| 12:43.55 | cmihai | ak007: you're asking in #debian |
| 12:44.05 | bya | PerfDave: I have tried that, I have sound only from the front |
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| 12:44.23 | PerfDave | bya: Hmm. Well, I don't know then. Because that works just fine with my SB Live 5.1 |
| 12:44.23 | covaldo | in my opinion debian is better than all other distro... :) |
| 12:44.25 | possie | is the 'fuse' kernel module native in the kernel sources? or do i need to download a kernel patch? |
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| 12:44.40 | PerfDave | cmihai: Fuck you. |
| 12:44.49 | cmihai | fuck you back |
| 12:45.03 | PerfDave | cmihai: No, fuck you. Accusing me of FUD. |
| 12:45.04 | Elvis | mike__: What shell is your crontab running in? You could try creating a shell script that you know works normally and call that from cron. Sometimes cronned items get run under a different shell |
| 12:45.23 | cmihai | PerfDave: fuck that, you're saying Debian won't be usable in Europe! |
| 12:45.24 | bya | PerfDave: could you tell me when you run alsamixer, what sound card it detects in your system? |
| 12:45.30 | Elvis | is there any debugging I can turn on for /usr/share/debconf/frontend |
| 12:45.31 | Elvis | ? |
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| 12:46.03 | PerfDave | cmihai: It won't be. |
| 12:46.07 | PerfDave | cmihai: Or at least, apt won't. |
| 12:46.33 | PerfDave | cmihai: It violates a patent awarded by the European Patent Office to Sun Microsystems, concerning package management systems with verification checking. |
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| 12:46.42 | Elvis | because as far as I can see the post installation script for a package stops somewhere in that script |
| 12:46.52 | cmihai | SUN ?! ARGH |
| 12:47.03 | PerfDave | bya: Sound Blaster Live |
| 12:47.15 | cmihai | So that also means "yum" "urpmi" and just about anything else. |
| 12:47.23 | cmihai | How about "ports" ?! |
| 12:47.24 | PerfDave | cmihai: Probably, yep. |
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| 12:47.34 | abrotman | PerfDave: only if they enforce right ? |
| 12:47.36 | mike__ | Elvis: how can i find out what shell it runs in? |
| 12:47.43 | bya | PerfDave: could you tell me in what column choice, you can turn on or off your rear speakers, please |
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| 12:48.07 | PerfDave | cmihai: Welcome to the whacky world of software patents. Remember, they're there to encourage diversity and competition. |
| 12:48.09 | abrotman | bya: stop eating beans .. rear speaker off!! |
| 12:48.13 | abrotman | haha .. i kill me! |
| 12:48.18 | PerfDave | bya: No, I don't have my speakers wired up currently. |
| 12:48.25 | mike__ | Elvis: thats why im thinking about making a shell script with that command in it, but im not sure how it should set out |
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| 12:48.50 | Elvis | mike__: according to man 5 crontab for me it says it runs sh. This can be overridden by setting SHELL=/bin/bash in your crontab. |
| 12:49.18 | Elvis | mike__: Or you could just put your commands in its own script with #!/bin/bash at the top and call that script from cron |
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| 12:49.32 | bya | PerfDave: when I test the sound system with KDE, I have sound with all speakers. But when I play CD, no sound coming from rear |
| 12:50.06 | bya | PerfDave: I tried to use xmms, KsCD... |
| 12:50.26 | mike__ | mike__: does it need anything else? an "exit" on the end? |
| 12:50.31 | PerfDave | bya: Does it come from the rear when you play Vorbis files or MP3s? |
| 12:50.43 | GlenneMannen | this should replace every line that ends with.net with new@test.com but it doesn't work: for FILE in `cat file`;do;sed -e 's/(.*)@(.*)\.net/new@test\.com/g' $FILE > testfile;mv testfile $FILE;done |
| 12:51.00 | cmihai | PerfDave: well, do you have a more "official" source concerning this issue ? |
| 12:51.08 | jBox | girls are evil |
| 12:51.18 | jBox | they just don't have horns |
| 12:51.19 | bya | PerfDave: I tried only a CD music, I suppose it uses all channels |
| 12:51.26 | PerfDave | cmihai: http://www.ffii.org/ is a good start |
| 12:51.32 | jBox | but they are evil in carnation |
| 12:51.33 | claudio_ | bya: perhaps it honours the original two-channel mix of the audio cd? |
| 12:51.49 | claudio_ | bya: try a 5.1 dvd |
| 12:51.58 | cmihai | Thanks... |
| 12:52.21 | bya | claudio: the same CD tried under knoppix gives me an excellent sound from every speakers |
| 12:52.28 | bya | claudio_: the same CD tried under knoppix gives me an excellent sound from every speakers |
| 12:52.33 | claudio_ | hum |
| 12:52.45 | mike__ | Elvis: okay, i'll check it in the morning, see if it works. Thanks for your help |
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| 12:53.01 | cmihai | PerfDave: is that link right ?! |
| 12:53.06 | Despite | hi |
| 12:53.07 | cmihai | Ah, yes. It works. |
| 12:53.10 | Eulex | bya, what kernel module does it use fro sound? |
| 12:53.20 | Eulex | *for |
| 12:53.28 | bya | Eulex: 2.6.11 |
| 12:53.46 | PerfDave | cmihai: It works for me. |
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| 12:54.02 | cmihai | Yeah, took a while to load. Thanks.. |
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| 12:54.25 | PerfDave | bya said above that they were using 2.6.8 :/ |
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| 12:55.08 | Eulex | bya, that's not what I was asking |
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| 12:55.18 | bya | PerfDave: the kernel comming with Sarge is 2.6.8, the one with knoppix is 2.6.11 |
| 12:55.32 | bya | Eulex: the kernel comming with Sarge is 2.6.8, the one with knoppix is 2.6.11 |
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| 12:55.44 | Eulex | bya, what kernel *module* does knoppix use for sound? |
| 12:56.05 | abrotman | bya: howa bout the version of alsa ? |
| 12:56.10 | bya | yes, good question: emu-10k1 (OSS module), but I have tried it out |
| 12:56.27 | PerfDave | I think it's just some configuration error somewhere. The rear speakers work fine on my system. |
| 12:56.33 | claudio_ | bya: did you check this? http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=FAQ028 |
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| 12:56.41 | bya | I have tried the ALSA and the OSS module, |
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| 12:57.28 | karme | hi, i am currently trying to build cross compiled debs that go along with the mingw compiler (zlib, libjpeg, libsdl, libsdl_...) to get a debian->win32 cross compilation environment easily. I am using mingw and dpkg-cross to build those packages. Now I did have to make quite some changes and it seems to get quite complicated. Did someone already do this? Any inofficial apt repository with cross compilation packages out there? |
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| 12:58.42 | bya | claudio_: yes, in fact, in ubuntu website, they told me to use .asound like that |
| 12:58.56 | TBBle | karme: If google, apt-get.org and possible debian-win32@lists.debian.org (if it exists) doesn't help, probably not. Submit it as a wishlist bug against dpkg-cross, maybe? |
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| 12:59.02 | jethro | !irritate abrotman |
| 12:59.03 | dpkg | abrotman: hi every1 how does I run teh quake3 ????? |
| 12:59.06 | bya | claudio_: but the file was not as complete as this one |
| 12:59.09 | abrotman | jethro: you're not dead! |
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| 12:59.15 | Eulex | bya, are you running ubuntu? |
| 12:59.16 | jethro | no I'm not! |
| 12:59.22 | abrotman | jethro: and you're not -ot'ing |
| 12:59.29 | bya | Eulex: No, Debian Sarge |
| 12:59.35 | jethro | abrotman: I was pissed the other day, and didn't join back yet |
| 12:59.43 | abrotman | jethro: what bout? |
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| 12:59.50 | Eulex | bya, ok |
| 12:59.51 | jethro | abrotman: trolls :) |
| 12:59.53 | bya | Eulex: Ubuntu interface is not intersting |
| 13:00.05 | abrotman | jethro: trolls .. unlikely .. more like master agitators :) |
| 13:00.14 | jethro | :) |
| 13:00.22 | Eulex | bya, I just asked because you had used ubuntu forums |
| 13:02.49 | karme | tbble: thx |
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| 13:05.06 | TBBle | karme: No wuckers. Sounds interesting, in fact, so I hope it goes in. ^_^ |
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| 13:06.08 | Necrocide | Hey im new to linux, and im trying to figure out how to route though like 5 proxies? |
| 13:06.21 | Necrocide | Heard something about a program called "proxychains"? |
| 13:06.42 | jm_ | with LD_PRELOAD-able library |
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| 13:08.42 | PerfDave | Necrocide: Do you mean HTTP proxies, IP gateways, or what? |
| 13:08.57 | PerfDave | Necrocide: apt-cache show proxychains |
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| 13:09.15 | o932891 | stupid companies blocking me.. |
| 13:09.48 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: www.cafepress.com/ubunto |
| 13:11.21 | Necrocide | Well, Socks 4/5 etc |
| 13:12.01 | PerfDave | Necrocide: proxychains is a package in Debian, which you can install. |
| 13:13.27 | Necrocide | Im playing with it now |
| 13:13.32 | Necrocide | ;) |
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| 13:16.05 | Elvis | what would cause the adduser package's postinstallation script to fail? |
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| 13:16.46 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what does it mean? |
| 13:16.55 | TBBle | Hmm. Asking about world-writable directories, and boning up somehow? |
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| 13:17.03 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: "UBUNTU I FIND SHIT. LOL" |
| 13:17.16 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
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| 13:17.52 | Elvis | yeah, I did some poking at the postinst script and it dies somewhere in /usr/share/debconf/confmodule |
| 13:18.04 | Elvis | which dies somewhere in /usr/share/debconf/frontend |
| 13:18.09 | TBBle | Ewww. Which frontend? |
| 13:18.17 | Elvis | not sure |
| 13:18.26 | Elvis | I tried to a dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 13:18.31 | TBBle | Hmm, That rings a bell. Go to planet debian and find the recent post about debconf being boned up. |
| 13:18.32 | Elvis | but it didn't ask me to change it |
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| 13:18.42 | jm_ | man dpkg-reconfigure tells you how to change it |
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| 13:18.52 | tarzeau | how many more weeks does the c++ abi change take in sid? |
| 13:19.10 | csrmit | how many of the 14 discs do you need to scan for a "full install" of sarge? |
| 13:19.19 | PerfDave | csrmit: Define "full install" |
| 13:19.19 | tarzeau | csrmit: none |
| 13:19.31 | Elvis | Is dialog the valid curses frontend? |
| 13:19.39 | jm_ | yes |
| 13:19.40 | csrmit | all packages |
| 13:19.55 | PerfDave | csrmit: You cannot install all packages, because some of them conflict with each other. |
| 13:19.55 | Eulex | hah, I have to regularly close and restart firefox to get rid of all tabs I open :) |
| 13:19.56 | tarzeau | csrmit: you can't install all pakcages |
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| 13:20.04 | csrmit | k |
| 13:20.09 | tarzeau | csrmit: because some of them conflict others. for example gnome and abiword don't go together |
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| 13:20.10 | Elvis | dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=dialog debconf does nothing |
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| 13:20.15 | PerfDave | csrmit: Having all 14 CDs will give you access to every package in Sarge. |
| 13:20.25 | Eulex | csrmit, why would you even want to install all packages? |
| 13:20.27 | Elvis | TBBle: By planet debian do you mean bugs.debian.org/debconf ? |
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| 13:20.29 | PerfDave | csrmit: However, it's unlikely you'll ever need that. |
| 13:20.33 | tarzeau | csrmit: you can install all source packages though. that's 15 cds |
| 13:20.34 | jm_ | there are also other, simpler front-ends |
| 13:20.46 | TBBle | Elvis: Well, actually I meant planet.debian.net, but that's prolly also a good place to look. |
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| 13:21.12 | csrmit | Eulex: just curious, no other reason |
| 13:21.24 | Elvis | yeah I couldn't see anything on bugs.debian.org. I haven't upgraded to the latest stabe. Trying to fix this before making the upgrade (Am running old stable) |
| 13:21.30 | claudio_ | Elvis: planet.debian.org |
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| 13:21.36 | Despite | does someone know how to put a bugreport for firefox? |
| 13:21.40 | henry | what is the url for the Debian bug base? I'm trying to find a page for bug #203109 |
| 13:21.45 | tarzeau | Despite: /msg dpkg bts |
| 13:21.49 | tarzeau | !bts |
| 13:21.49 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:21.53 | jm_ | bugs.debian.org/203109 will work fine |
| 13:22.02 | Despite | thanks |
| 13:22.08 | Eulex | Elvis, woody? |
| 13:22.08 | henry | jm_: thanks |
| 13:22.29 | Elvis | Eulex: Yeah |
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| 13:23.53 | Elvis | not even dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=readline debconf could bring debconf to let me choose my frontend |
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| 13:24.47 | jm_ | so find out what has changed on the system - I somehow doubt this would happen with Woody |
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| 13:25.08 | claudio_ | Elvis: like this? http://natalian.org/archives/2005/07/03/unstable-breakage/ |
| 13:25.19 | jm_ | it's known for sid |
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| 13:26.39 | Elvis | claudio_: Doesn't even get as far as displaying the blank screen. Exits right back to the prompt |
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| 13:27.38 | Elvis | Is there anyway to test whether your debconf preferences is broken? I have had a situation in past where a different package wouldn't upgrade |
| 13:27.47 | Elvis | the post install script broke on a db_get value |
| 13:28.02 | Elvis | which I just changed to be the correct value rather then trying to get it and it worked |
| 13:28.19 | jm_ | try reverting to config.dat-old or to the one from backup |
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| 13:30.02 | strubbel | hello :) |
| 13:30.25 | Elvis | hmm |
| 13:30.31 | Elvis | how big should that config.dat file be? |
| 13:30.36 | Elvis | Mine is 95 bytes? |
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| 13:31.29 | jm_ | haha, and -old? |
| 13:31.35 | Elvis | same |
| 13:31.40 | jm_ | 77554 Jun 24 07:58 config.dat |
| 13:31.42 | Elvis | I think I have a winner |
| 13:32.00 | strubbel | i like to build a staticly linked screen app from a deb-src can you tell me where i have to tweak in order to get one after a build? |
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| 13:32.38 | jm_ | strubbel: it depends on how to do that with the original sources |
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| 13:32.58 | Eulex | strubbel, why? |
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| 13:33.06 | benoit | hi there! |
| 13:33.25 | jelly | hi, my OpenOffice Writer from sarge is behaving strangely, when I press <backspace> it overstrikes and colors red instead of deleting, some for selecting a part of text and pressing Delete |
| 13:33.36 | abyss | exist on linux a web dev IDE like dreamweaver on w32? |
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| 13:33.47 | strubbel | jm_: can i insert -static to LD_FLAGS after the @*@ section in Makefile.in? |
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| 13:34.07 | Elvis | jm_: Got one from a backup. 6192 bytes. That fixes it. |
| 13:34.12 | Elvis | Thanks. Don't know how that happened |
| 13:34.15 | rafa | abyss, screem for example |
| 13:34.24 | jm_ | strubbel: well can you? it's not a problem to do it for Debian - just stick it in the right place in debian/rules |
| 13:34.28 | jm_ | Elvis: sounds rather short |
| 13:34.28 | abyss | deb apt-pack aviable`? |
| 13:34.34 | strubbel | jm_: i'm not very familiar vith autoconf and automake |
| 13:34.57 | Elvis | jm_: Its a server machine. Very minimal install. |
| 13:35.04 | jm_ | strubbel: some packages have --enable-static or somesuch, that would be the easiest |
| 13:35.04 | jm_ | Elvis: ahh |
| 13:35.07 | rafa | abydos, yes |
| 13:35.10 | rafa | oops |
| 13:35.11 | rafa | abyss |
| 13:35.14 | rafa | not abydos |
| 13:35.38 | strubbel | jm_: can i add -static to build-stamp in debian/rules? |
| 13:35.43 | Elvis | jm_: 222 packages installed |
| 13:35.49 | Eulex | strubbel, if you want it for a chrooted invironment, why not just also copy the shared objects that the program needs? |
| 13:35.50 | Elvis | so I think its ok |
| 13:36.21 | jm_ | strubbel: no, I think the simplest option might be calling configure with LD_FLAGS=-static set or somesuch, experiment |
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| 13:38.26 | strubbel | jm_: thanks for your hints, will check it out. |
| 13:39.08 | strubbel | Eulex: is it that simple? |
| 13:39.15 | jm_ | strubbel: no worries |
| 13:40.03 | strubbel | Eulex: you are right that would be the easiest way, thanks |
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| 13:40.33 | Eulex | strubbel, you can use ldd to list the shared libraries a program needs |
| 13:41.05 | strubbel | Eulex: does it work on libs as well or is it recursive? |
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| 13:41.31 | Eulex | strubbel, though sometimes it doesn't list all, and you have to experimentate |
| 13:41.41 | Eulex | strubbel, I dunno... you can test |
| 13:41.52 | jm_ | it works on libraries too |
| 13:41.56 | strubbel | Eulex: it works on libs :) |
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| 13:43.00 | Eulex | strubbel, I checked, and it seems to be recursive, and yes, it works on libs |
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| 13:43.49 | strubbel | Eulex: wow, seems as if i'm done then, hehe |
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| 13:44.51 | Eulex | strubbel, just make sure the libs are in the right place... libs that are in /lib in your usual fs should be in /lib in the chroot etc... |
| 13:45.32 | strubbel | Eulex: btw, do you know why user-mode-linux doesn't have networking when put in the background, but does with a detached screen? |
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| 13:45.52 | osity | anyone know a guy named vaka? |
| 13:45.54 | strubbel | Eulex: maybe i just bindmount them ;) |
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| 13:47.16 | strubbel | Eulex, jm_: many thanks for your support |
| 13:47.47 | Eulex | strubbel, I dunno about user-mode-linux in general |
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| 13:48.09 | maxxle | Hi! I'm doing a dd from a local SCSI-HDD to a nfs-Mount on a server. Is it important to provide the "bs="-option? Or is it ok to just provide if= and of= ? |
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| 13:48.55 | asg | osity: /msg dpkg seen <nick> |
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| 13:50.14 | osity | asg: nice thanks,... |
| 13:50.55 | egg | grrrr |
| 13:51.18 | osity | asg ... you know anything about raid? |
| 13:51.28 | abrotman | which kind |
| 13:51.39 | osity | raid 1 |
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| 13:51.46 | abrotman | which kind |
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| 13:51.56 | coywolf | how to check a .deb ? |
| 13:52.07 | asg | osity: no, I've only ever used hardware raid |
| 13:52.08 | coywolf | check if it's ok |
| 13:52.24 | osity | abrotman: well ....i have a sata raid card in there |
| 13:52.26 | asg | coywolf: debsums |
| 13:52.29 | streuner | coywolf: apt-get do that for you auto |
| 13:52.30 | abrotman | osity: hardware or software |
| 13:52.39 | coywolf | asg, i mean like tar -t |
| 13:52.44 | asg | coywolf: dpkg -c |
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| 13:52.59 | osity | abrotman: the card is software though.... |
| 13:53.15 | egg | umm,fake raid |
| 13:53.19 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.19 | coywolf | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 13:53.19 | coywolf | Ack! Something bad happened while installing packages. Trying to recover: |
| 13:53.22 | coywolf | i got that ^ |
| 13:53.27 | osity | abrotman: will the card do the ework for me or do i still need to configure alot of stuff like fstab? |
| 13:53.37 | initech | osity: you're better off using linux built in software raid |
| 13:53.37 | abrotman | osity: depends on the controller |
| 13:53.39 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 13:53.39 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 13:53.45 | asg | coywolf: hmm, does 'apt-get -f install' fix things |
| 13:53.54 | egg | coywolf, xorg hehehhehehehehehhehehhehhehehheheheehhehheh |
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| 13:54.54 | coywolf | egg, ? |
| 13:54.54 | osity | i have been struggling with my scenario for a while... |
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| 13:55.16 | abrotman | osity: well .. which controller is it ? |
| 13:55.17 | egg | coywolf, never mind ^^ |
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| 13:55.47 | coywolf | dpkg: error processing xfce4-mixer_4.2.2-1_i386.deb (--install): |
| 13:55.47 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.47 | coywolf | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 13:55.59 | benoit | hi there, i'd like to know how debian repository is generated from the pool directories... if anyone know, let me know. i already read about dpkg-scanpackages, apt-move and apt-ftparchive .... |
| 13:56.03 | abrotman | coywolf: man dpkg |
| 13:56.18 | coywolf | asg, idea? ^ |
| 13:56.20 | egg | coywolf, my xfce mixer 4.2.4 is ok |
| 13:56.32 | asg | coywolf: dpkg --force-help (look for the override option) |
| 13:56.34 | tralala | coywolf: force overwrite |
| 13:56.37 | egg | coywolf, 4.2.2 |
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| 13:57.06 | abrotman | benoit: afaik .. -scanpackages does it |
| 13:57.07 | PerfDave | coywolf: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 13:57.20 | benoit | abrotman: nope. |
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| 13:57.26 | abrotman | benoit: why not ? |
| 13:57.31 | tralala | !wayttd benoit |
| 13:57.33 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, benoit? |
| 13:57.34 | eranj | hey guys |
| 13:57.37 | indo | hi all |
| 13:57.49 | benoit | abrotman: the pool directory on debian server contains all .deb for stable/testing/unstable branch |
| 13:57.54 | coywolf | PerfDave, sid |
| 13:58.05 | PerfDave | coywolf: have you checked the bts? |
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| 13:58.19 | benoit | abrotman: the dpkg-scanpackages cannot make know which packages belong to which branch .. |
| 13:58.20 | osity | abrotman: its a controller by a company called syba model: sil3112 |
| 13:58.20 | yage | How can i decompress 7zip files? |
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| 13:58.32 | initech | yage: unzip? |
| 13:58.34 | abrotman | osity: that's fake raid |
| 13:58.35 | coywolf | PerfDave, bts? |
| 13:58.42 | asg | coywolf: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 13:58.46 | benoit | dpkg: i'm trying to setup a debian repo using a pool for my own debian based distro which is going to be working on several arch.... |
| 13:58.46 | dpkg | benoit: what are you talking about? |
| 13:58.50 | PerfDave | !btssmite coywolf |
| 13:58.52 | osity | by "fake" you mean software raid? |
| 13:58.53 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 13:58.53 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 13:58.55 | eranj | I get an error when I try to start programs through 'sux' in the terminal. could you look at it? |
| 13:58.55 | abrotman | osity: yes |
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| 13:59.05 | PerfDave | benoit: Why are you making a debian-based distro? |
| 13:59.05 | benoit | dpkg: lol :-) |
| 13:59.21 | osity | abrotman: should i use it at all or go with the linux raid? |
| 13:59.27 | benoit | PerfDave: because i'm using a debian based distro (pebble / metrix) |
| 13:59.31 | abrotman | yage: p7zip ? |
| 13:59.36 | initech | osity: linux raid (md driver) for sure |
| 13:59.37 | FieldySnuts | god not this again |
| 13:59.41 | FieldySnuts | ~based on debian |
| 13:59.49 | benoit | PerfDave: and because i like debian myself :-) |
| 13:59.50 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 13:59.50 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 13:59.51 | jethro | !based on debian |
| 13:59.53 | Raf256 | anyone closed his site (ffii demo)? |
| 13:59.56 | PerfDave | benoit: FFS, go and find the help channel for your own fucking distro, if you're not using Debian. |
| 14:00.03 | osity | initech: so i should bother to even go into the raid menu? |
| 14:00.09 | initech | osity: no |
| 14:00.31 | initech | osity: that BIOS raid stuff is garbage .... linux' software raid is quite good |
| 14:00.33 | eranj | abrotman: could you take a look of an error I get? |
| 14:00.35 | benoit | PerfDave: hummm .... but the problem is not the distro, it's the way how the original debian repository is built |
| 14:00.37 | abrotman | what error ? |
| 14:00.40 | PerfDave | dkpg, based on debian =~ s/Xebian,/Xebian, Pebble/ |
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| 14:00.51 | PerfDave | benoit: So what? You're not running Debian. This is a support channel for Debian. |
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| 14:01.07 | eranj | abrotman: when I go 'sux' in terminal and try to start a program I get an error. I'll paste on #flood,ok? |
| 14:01.35 | benoit | PerfDave: i'm running debian :-) ... on .... 4, 5 ... 10 machines :-) |
| 14:01.58 | benoit | and i'm trying to make a custom repository |
| 14:02.04 | benoit | which looks like the main debian repo. |
| 14:02.08 | yage | abrotman, it's not packaged in sarge, anyway, tnx |
| 14:02.12 | PerfDave | benoit: But your problem isn't with Debian, it's with Pebble Linux's repositories. So go ask your Pebble Linux weirdos about it. |
| 14:02.14 | benoit | so was wondering how it's being build |
| 14:02.15 | eranj | abrotman: have you seen the error I pasted on #flood? |
| 14:02.20 | asg | benoit: /msg dpkg repository |
| 14:02.40 | benoit | i read some docs and manage to build some repo |
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| 14:03.02 | benoit | however, those docs says : "we don't use POOL" ... |
| 14:03.11 | yage | abrotman, found repository, great, tnx :) |
| 14:03.14 | abrotman | eranj: moment |
| 14:03.20 | abrotman | yage: it should be |
| 14:03.31 | eranj | abrotman: I'm waiting, no problem |
| 14:03.35 | tarzeau | nobody has .mac ? |
| 14:03.38 | abrotman | eranj: you're running sux as root ? |
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| 14:03.44 | metaperl | I've mounted a cd with some video mp3s on it... what can I do to get xine to play it? what navigation sequence? |
| 14:03.51 | abrotman | yage: that's odd .. |
| 14:03.53 | asg | benoit: did you read the factoid I gave you. That's your Debian answer. |
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| 14:03.56 | eranj | abrotman: I user sux to go root |
| 14:04.01 | eranj | meant use |
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| 14:04.34 | abrotman | eranj: how are you logging into gnome ? |
| 14:04.36 | benoit | asg: thanks. i read that howto already. but it says : "Pools are only useful for big repositories; I've never made one and I don't think I'll need to in the near future, and that's why I don't explain how to make one here. I" |
| 14:04.51 | eranj | abrotman: as a regular user. that's why I get the error? |
| 14:05.04 | asg | benoit: for simple repos, read the dpkg-scanpackages documentation. |
| 14:05.30 | osity | initech: do you know how to setup softwre raid1? |
| 14:05.36 | benoit | asac: read it and done it. that works. but i wanted to have pool. is that wrong? |
| 14:05.43 | abrotman | eranj: i meant .. via gdm or something else ? |
| 14:05.50 | benoit | asg: sorry. was talking to you.... |
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| 14:06.11 | asg | benoit: no, there is nothing wrong with using pools. Extra work for you perhaps but nothing inherently wrong. |
| 14:06.18 | eranj | abrotman: oh! I forgot to ask you. I had fluxbox and as I understand xdm start gnome |
| 14:06.22 | eranj | *starts |
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| 14:07.07 | chaica | hi |
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| 14:07.33 | pavlix | Hi people, my mousewheel doesn't work after dist-upgrade... config seems good (protocol PS/2, don't know what else) |
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| 14:07.40 | abrotman | eranj: that could be why .. i wonder if it prefers gdm |
| 14:07.40 | maka | bbfcvcvcvcvc |
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| 14:07.56 | eranj | abrotman: can I switch somehow? |
| 14:07.57 | Eulex | !tell pavlix about drxx |
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| 14:08.09 | rezza | pavlix: still have the ZAxisMapping option set to 4 5? |
| 14:08.12 | abrotman | eranj: install gdm ? |
| 14:08.26 | abrotman | eranj: this is all speculation .. i don't use sux |
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| 14:08.27 | eranj | abrotman: then what? |
| 14:08.32 | pavlix | rezza: yes, I think so |
| 14:08.35 | asg | benoit: just keep it in channel, you benefit from peer review that way. |
| 14:08.48 | rezza | pavlix: think so isn't good enough, go and check ;) |
| 14:08.50 | benoit | asg: ok. just a bit hard to follow :-) |
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| 14:09.22 | pavlix | rezza: Yes, it is so |
| 14:09.34 | pavlix | ;-) |
| 14:09.54 | benoit | asg: i've started with a single repo with ONE package ... and using apt-ftparchive |
| 14:10.15 | benoit | asg: i've written an apt-ftparchive.conf that i used with the "generate" command |
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| 14:10.42 | rezza | pavlix: no other pointer sections? your screen setup is using the correct core pointer? |
| 14:11.01 | asg | benoit: well, I've never used apt-ftparchive, I just use dpkg-scanpackages to generate my local custom package repos. |
| 14:11.18 | eranj | abrotman: I just install gdm and remove xdm? |
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| 14:11.25 | chaica | I-ve got some troube with smartd under debian, I'm using this configuration : /dev/hdc -d ata -o on -S on -H -l selftest -m root@localhost -M exec /root/diskfail.sh -s O/../.././.. and the -M exec is never called |
| 14:11.26 | abrotman | eranj: google for a similar error before you installg dm |
| 14:11.28 | abrotman | err install gdm |
| 14:11.32 | benoit | asg: ok. but with dpkg-scanpackages, i had to write a script to scan for all architecture i've build my package on |
| 14:11.34 | rezza | pavlix: cat /dev/mice or whatever device your mouse is using, and see if rolling the wheel causes crap to be displayed in the term |
| 14:12.01 | eranj | abrotman: OK. thanks. If I remember more questions I had I'll ask |
| 14:12.15 | asg | benoit: ah, okay |
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| 14:12.31 | pavlix | rezza: I've already tried.... |
| 14:12.42 | pavlix | rezza: all seems ok for me |
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| 14:13.32 | pavlix | Eulex: I did |
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| 14:14.32 | S0n1 | ho |
| 14:14.33 | S0n1 | hi |
| 14:14.45 | S0n1 | where conf file for pure-ftpd? |
| 14:14.50 | abrotman | /etc/ ? |
| 14:14.51 | eranj | What is the opposite of startx? |
| 14:15.03 | koollman | eranj: killall X ? ;) |
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| 14:15.14 | eranj | koollman: thanks |
| 14:15.52 | FieldySnuts | badger' |
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| 14:16.14 | karsten | S0n1: dpkg -L pure-ftpd |
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| 14:16.42 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 14:16.49 | tengulre | how to config RAID1? |
| 14:17.15 | pavlix | rezza: still can't see anything wrong: http://www.astalon.net/XF86Config-4 |
| 14:17.28 | tengulre | I have a embedded SCSI controler,but I don't know how to config it! |
| 14:17.29 | karsten | tengulre: HW or SW? |
| 14:17.39 | tengulre | karsten, HW |
| 14:18.05 | karsten | tengulre: If it's a hardware SCSI RAID controller, you should have a RAID configuration as part of the SCSI BIOS. |
| 14:19.00 | abrotman | tengulre: use the scsi bios |
| 14:19.22 | tengulre | karsten, So I want config RAID1 in bios too? |
| 14:19.25 | pavlix | rezza: I have to go now |
| 14:19.30 | tengulre | level one! |
| 14:19.33 | pavlix | but thanks for your help |
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| 14:20.35 | karsten | tengulre: Yes. |
| 14:20.42 | csaba198 | hi! Could anybody tell me how can i change from X to console (tty) under vmware? |
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| 14:20.51 | tengulre | karsten, thanks! |
| 14:20.51 | karsten | tengulre: The controller may or may not give you that option. But that's where you'd do it. |
| 14:20.52 | csaba198 | (chvt unfortunately doesn' t work). |
| 14:20.55 | FieldySnuts | ask vmware (it's closed source) |
| 14:21.06 | karsten | tengulre: Does this controller have a name, brand, model, and/or manual? |
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| 14:21.35 | tengulre | karsten, I don't know! how to see it? |
| 14:21.45 | karsten | csaba198: <ctrl><alt><F[0-6]>, modulo any specific key modifications. |
| 14:21.58 | abrotman | boot the machine .. it will tell you the model number of hte SCSI controller |
| 14:22.02 | karsten | tengulre: Well, opening the case and looking at the controller itself generally works for me. |
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| 14:22.10 | Shadur | Argh. Google's coming up dry and/or useless for this one: I'm looking for an opteron mainboard with SATA and PCIX that'll grok linux. Any suggestions? |
| 14:22.24 | karsten | tengulre: Otherwise, looking at any materials which arrived with the controller. |
| 14:22.30 | abrotman | Shadur: opteron or athlon64 ? |
| 14:22.31 | csaba198 | karsten: under vmware it' s not good. |
| 14:22.42 | karsten | csaba198: GIYF. |
| 14:22.44 | Shadur | abrotman: What's the difference again? |
| 14:22.52 | abrotman | Shadur: think p4 vs xeon |
| 14:22.59 | csaba198 | karsten: what is that GIYF? |
| 14:23.01 | abrotman | among other things |
| 14:23.10 | asg | !giyf |
| 14:23.10 | dpkg | Google Is Your Friend, or see also: STFW, and see http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 14:23.12 | karsten | !GIYF |
| 14:23.12 | dpkg | Google Is Your Friend, or see also: STFW, and see http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
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| 14:23.21 | Hadaka | Shadur: do you mean PCI Express or PCI-X? they are different, PCI Express is abbreviated as PCI-E |
| 14:23.28 | tengulre | karsten,well! please give my your email address, I send it tomorrow! I m at home now!:) |
| 14:23.33 | Shadur | a64, then - it's going to be a personal desktop box. And PCI-E. |
| 14:23.50 | karsten | tengulre: Personal consulting rates start at $80/hr |
| 14:23.51 | Shadur | ... Wait, lemme recheck that. |
| 14:23.55 | csaba198 | karsten: wow, thanks, but everytime i use google, and i come here just after that. |
| 14:24.07 | abrotman | Shadur: well .. if you were searching for an opteron board with those things .. you should have way more luck looking for athlon64 boards with those things |
| 14:24.08 | tengulre | ? |
| 14:24.10 | Hadaka | Shadur: nForce4 mobos should work in Linux, but I have no hands on experience |
| 14:24.12 | tengulre | karsten,? |
| 14:24.17 | abrotman | Shadur: look for socket 939 boards |
| 14:24.21 | Shadur | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 14:24.46 | karsten | tengulre: If I'm providing gratis support, I do it in public on IRC or mailing lists. |
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| 14:25.02 | karsten | tengulre: If it's private, it's either a favor to a friend, or a professional activity. |
| 14:25.02 | maxxle | I'm still testing dd. My hdd has a size of 36GB. On the nfs-Server I get an Image with 68GB. Isn't this a little bit too big? |
| 14:25.04 | abrotman | tengulre: reboot the machine .. it will tell you what it is |
| 14:25.14 | Shadur | Hadaka: 'k. All I really need working is the SATA port (and the I/O buses, of course). I prefer as little onboard addons as possible. |
| 14:25.19 | tengulre | karsten, I know your meant! |
| 14:25.23 | abyss | another web ide as screem or bluefish ? |
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| 14:25.38 | tengulre | but I afreid you not here tomorrow! |
| 14:25.49 | karsten | maxxle: Check the blocksize you're getting / using with DD. Sounds like you're nearly doubling it. 512 / 1024 mismatch comes to mind. |
| 14:26.00 | abrotman | tengulre: reboot the machine .. it will tell you what it is |
| 14:26.02 | asg | abyss: nvu |
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| 14:26.19 | maxxle | karsten: I did it without a bs= option. Where can I get the value for the bs from? |
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| 14:26.36 | abrotman | Phated: ! |
| 14:26.38 | tengulre | abortman, thanks ! but my machine in my company! I m home! |
| 14:26.42 | Shadur | Hadaka: All the graphics cards I'm seeing have PCI-X models. Guess that's the one I'm going with. |
| 14:26.47 | Hadaka | Shadur: check the linux kernel source on which PCI-E chipsets the PCI-E code supports, and get one of those - even still I'd recommend nforce4, as the onboard stuff doesn't cost more or make it more fragile either |
| 14:26.49 | abrotman | tengulre: so go to the office .. then ask |
| 14:26.56 | abyss | asg : is this a ide? |
| 14:26.59 | Shadur | Hadaka: *nod* |
| 14:27.05 | karsten | maxxle: Default dd blocksize == 1024. I'm not sure if NFS changes that, but it's a wild-ass guess. |
| 14:27.20 | maxxle | hm. ok. I wil figure this out myself. |
| 14:27.22 | asg | abyss: apt-cache show nvu (read the description, decide if that fits your definition of an IDE) |
| 14:27.24 | Hadaka | Shadur: PCI-X is *really* rare, only seen in high grade server machines - odds are someone else has mixed those up as well if you are seeing PCI-X graphics cards |
| 14:27.25 | Shadur | Hadaka: I had a really bad experience with an onboard sound chipset that refused to play nice with the actual sound card, though. |
| 14:27.30 | abrotman | Shadur: you might also ask #debian-amd64 for their list of boards .. they have one somewhere on the project site |
| 14:27.33 | Shadur | Hadaka: So noted. |
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| 14:27.39 | Shadur | abrotman: Thanks, good idea. |
| 14:27.46 | abyss | W: Kann Paket nvu nicht finden |
| 14:27.46 | abyss | E: Keine Pakete gefunden |
| 14:27.56 | abrotman | yay german |
| 14:28.01 | asg | abyss: what debian are you running? |
| 14:28.05 | abyss | stable |
| 14:28.24 | servibancos | i want an american channel, who know? |
| 14:28.37 | asg | abyss: then you'll have to backport it from sid (or find a backport somewhere.) |
| 14:28.47 | handsome | i want an american channel, who know? |
| 14:28.52 | tengulre | abrotman, now is 22:20:12 ! I afraid you not here tomorrow! |
| 14:28.54 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 14:29.05 | abrotman | tengulre: i afraid you not be either! |
| 14:29.05 | karsten | handsome: This is it. |
| 14:29.12 | Eulex | abrotman, haha |
| 14:29.17 | abyss | asg : you know another one ? |
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| 14:29.25 | abrotman | handsome: for what ? |
| 14:29.33 | karsten | handsome: otherwise, /msg dpkg br |
| 14:29.39 | benoit | ok. i found what was wrong with apt-ftparchive. there's a bug describe here : http://lists.debian.org/deity/2003/10/msg00155.html |
| 14:29.50 | Eulex | tengulre, maybe you should try going to the channel of your native language? |
| 14:29.53 | krolden | anyone know what xfrm_user.ko is? Frame Relay? |
| 14:30.10 | tengulre | abrotman, can u provider some documents? |
| 14:30.12 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:30.13 | handsome | abrotman for one big city from the USA NY or boston |
| 14:30.13 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 14:30.18 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 14:30.20 | abrotman | tengulre: reboot .. it will tell you .. then use google |
| 14:30.22 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate jim |
| 14:30.22 | apt | jim: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh edonkey ????? |
| 14:30.25 | abrotman | handsome: why ? |
| 14:30.38 | abrotman | handsome: just ask your question already |
| 14:30.43 | Hadaka | krolden: xfrm stuff is packet transformations, usually associated with ipsec or compression |
| 14:30.49 | asg | abyss: no |
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| 14:31.33 | tengulre | abrotman, thanks ! |
| 14:31.33 | handsome | abrotman i want speak with much girls |
| 14:31.40 | krolden | Hadaka: ok, thx. Gives me a clue on what to track down in menuconfig :) |
| 14:31.44 | asg | handsome: #hottub |
| 14:31.52 | FieldySnuts | #chatzone on efnet |
| 14:32.00 | ircdevil | seem like procmain will not match æ ø and å in a recipy - why? |
| 14:32.02 | abrotman | handsome: wrong channel |
| 14:32.09 | FieldySnuts | wrong network |
| 14:32.16 | ircdevil | procmail even |
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| 14:32.39 | PerfDave | ircdevil: Because you're using some weird charset? |
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| 14:33.27 | ircdevil | PerfDave: and why does procmail fail to do as i expect? (simply mathing the chars) |
| 14:33.30 | asg | ircdevil: http://www.professional.org/procmail/furrin.rc (might have some info) |
| 14:33.42 | abrotman | Phated: ? |
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| 14:33.53 | PerfDave | ircdevil: Maybe it's being run under a different locale or something. |
| 14:34.02 | PerfDave | ircdevil: Don't ask me, I stick to ASCII. And so should your mail headers ;) |
| 14:34.10 | Eulex | ircdevil, maybe it uses 8859 and you use utf-8? or vice versa |
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| 14:35.46 | ircdevil | hmmm |
| 14:35.47 | paulswm | Phated: Hi, all OK? |
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| 14:36.33 | ala5 | anybody from mit? |
| 14:36.37 | abrotman | handsome: DO NOT MSG me .. |
| 14:36.41 | tarzeau | ala5: why? |
| 14:37.03 | ircdevil | Eulex: sure - what to do about it? |
| 14:37.10 | handsome | do you know a big american channel that so much girls are there. #boston #usa #ny do know? but these channels is off in these server , do know othes serves with big american channel? |
| 14:37.24 | FieldySnuts | can we get this guy +q already. |
| 14:37.24 | abrotman | !ops handsome trying to get a date |
| 14:37.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: handsome trying to get a date |
| 14:37.32 | asg | handsome: /server irc.efnet.net |
| 14:37.34 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: !date heh |
| 14:37.39 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:37.39 | ircdevil | this is that is in procmaillog Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?r=F8gfri?= test |
| 14:37.46 | Eulex | !date handsome |
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| 14:38.00 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i tried :) |
| 14:38.39 | Eulex | ircdevil, I dunno |
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| 14:42.35 | TBBle | ircdevil: That looks like a header that contains iso-8859-1 data. I assume procmail gets that literal, us-ascii representation to match against. |
| 14:42.39 | abrotman | Phated: ... |
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| 14:43.14 | ircdevil | TBBle: something is not setup right. i dont know its locale or procmail or whatever - what would be a starting point to figure out. |
| 14:43.26 | TBBle | ircdevil: That depends. What's set up wrong? |
| 14:43.28 | abrotman | Phated: I still love you! |
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| 14:44.16 | ircdevil | TBBle: yeah, what? :o) |
| 14:45.28 | TBBle | ircdevil: Well, nothing seems broken from here. It's just that the tools you're using probably can't do what you want to do without some kind of evil evil regexp. |
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| 14:45.52 | TBBle | ircdevil: If you (as I understand you do) wish to match against random iso8859-1 characters in the header. |
| 14:46.31 | ircdevil | TBBle: sometimes i recieve emails (especially from hotmails) containg a lot of iso8859 stuff in the mail body. i never got around to figure what that is. |
| 14:46.34 | zoom | Can I install the 2.6 kernel using the net install CD? If so, what parameter do I need to pass? |
| 14:46.41 | ircdevil | or why that is |
| 14:46.47 | mantecu | ola |
| 14:46.50 | abrotman | zoom: linux26 at the prompt before it boots |
| 14:46.56 | zoom | thx much |
| 14:47.03 | abrotman | !ig |
| 14:47.03 | dpkg | i heard ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
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| 14:47.27 | RichiH | heh about sid install guide |
| 14:47.29 | TBBle | ircdevil: Because people using hotmail speak and write languages that cannot be fully represented (or they choose not to be) in us-ascii? |
| 14:47.44 | error403 | "Linux: The power to shoot yourself in the foot, and hobble back to the gunstore to buy another bullet" |
| 14:47.49 | mantecu | olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 14:47.56 | asg | mantecu: stfu, /j #es |
| 14:47.56 | TBBle | ircdevil: Alternatively, they're spammers trying to hide their text from spamassassin by iso8859-1 encoding it. |
| 14:47.56 | zviratko | hi |
| 14:48.01 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate mantecu |
| 14:48.01 | apt | mantecu: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses kde kk |
| 14:48.02 | karsten | !ops mantecu troll |
| 14:48.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mantecu troll |
| 14:48.10 | karsten | mantecu: stop that. |
| 14:48.10 | zviratko | can somebody tell me how long will woody be supported? (security updates) |
| 14:48.23 | asg | zviratko: at least a year, maybe 18 months |
| 14:48.24 | abrotman | zviratko: roughly a year is whta is expected |
| 14:48.25 | karsten | zviratko: 12 - 18 months. |
| 14:48.26 | FieldySnuts | you guys really expect these things to be dealt with today? |
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| 14:48.30 | zviratko | thx :) |
| 14:48.32 | FieldySnuts | gonna have to use /ignore |
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| 14:48.42 | FieldySnuts | speak of the devilhorse |
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| 14:48.44 | RichiH | karsten: wouldn't first trying to reason and then doing an !ops be more worthwile? ;) |
| 14:48.59 | ircdevil | TBBle: these are not mails from spammers, but from danish people using some æ ø and å - which gets translated to ugly codes |
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| 14:49.03 | karsten | RichiH: Shoot first, ask questions later. |
| 14:49.09 | RichiH | heh |
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| 14:49.22 | TBBle | ircdevil: Something like spamassassin _could_ unencode encoded headers, and score them if they only contain characters that are in us-ascii. |
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| 14:49.39 | FieldySnuts | heh interthingy.com |
| 14:49.54 | zignig | FieldySnuts: pretty cool hey? |
| 14:49.59 | karsten | ircdevil: You want a mailer than handles the locale, or UTF8, and if a console client, a terminal that does same. |
| 14:50.01 | karsten | zignig: Oi. |
| 14:50.03 | ircdevil | TBBle: well, i think that my mail system just should use the appropriate encoding to show the correct chars |
| 14:50.12 | asg | zignig: better if you s/the/teh/ |
| 14:50.13 | TBBle | ircdevil: Yes, they've been converted into a us-ascii representation with =?encoding?something?encodedtext?= |
| 14:50.14 | zignig | karsten: bleh to you and your cats! |
| 14:50.23 | karsten | zignig: Dead cats. |
| 14:50.26 | zignig | asg teh.interthingy.com :) |
| 14:50.31 | asg | right |
| 14:50.37 | zignig | karsten: ex-cats, energy nevery dies. |
| 14:50.48 | TBBle | ircdevil: Your mail client _should_ show you the unencoded headers. But they get moved around from SMTP server to SMTP server like that, to avoid killing 8-bit-unclean mail servers. |
| 14:50.50 | ircdevil | TBBle: ok - why is it being converted to us-ascii? that is default for the system? |
| 14:50.51 | karsten | zignig: oi, 'teh' needs an A record. |
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| 14:51.16 | TBBle | ircdevil: I'm sure it's in a spec somewhere. iso-8859-1 is <= 256 characters, right? |
| 14:51.21 | asg | spoopin: Monk marathon on USA. |
| 14:51.47 | ircdevil | TBBle: hrmmm - sure |
| 14:51.51 | zignig | karsten/asg it has one now. |
| 14:52.08 | karsten | zignig: Score. |
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| 14:52.18 | zignig | karsten: haha, I love ldap -> dns :) |
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| 14:52.52 | TBBle | ircdevil: The user interface shouldn't show =?iso8859-1?Q?...?=, but procmail _should_ process it like that, if that's how it is in the message text, unless it gets taught to understand that sort of thing. |
| 14:52.54 | karsten | zignig: Sweet. I should read your notes. |
| 14:53.08 | TBBle | ircdevil: What are you trying to do to these emails in procmail, anyway? |
| 14:53.13 | asg | !tell [machine] about away |
| 14:53.43 | ircdevil | TBBle: simple sorting |
| 14:53.47 | bizkit_ | hello, i'm searching for a smart way to completely backup my remote server so i can just load this image to another server with the same hardware and get it running as 1:1 as possible, can you help me? |
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| 14:54.13 | karsten | bizkit_: man rsync, tar, netcat |
| 14:54.22 | karsten | bizkit_: ... any or all of which may be appropriate to you. |
| 14:55.01 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 14:55.07 | karsten | bizkit_: I'd suggest an initial b/u with tar, followed by idling the system and doing an rsync, at which point you can do the cutover. netcat has far less overhead than ssh, but lacks security. |
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| 14:55.44 | zviratko | bizkit_: i'd use rsync or tar and netcat |
| 14:55.48 | karsten | bizkit_: ...netcat is appropriate for a lan, but not over-the-Internet, where transmission latency reduces the speed advantage anyway. |
| 14:56.13 | abrotman | i always backup using udp packets! |
| 14:56.14 | asg | abrotman: danke |
| 14:56.20 | karsten | zviratko: For a first image, rsync is slower as it generates a copy list. You can override this with options. |
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| 14:56.27 | zignig | abrotman: not. |
| 14:56.28 | karsten | abrotman: backup-over-DNS? |
| 14:56.39 | zignig | karsten: wtfn ;) |
| 14:56.57 | karsten | zignig: ?? |
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| 14:57.03 | zignig | karsten: I prefer bittorrent over dns, put the debian isos in dns. |
| 14:57.03 | abrotman | karsten: !! |
| 14:57.10 | zignig | karsten: why the fnord not. |
| 14:57.12 | TBBle | ircdevil: Have a look at all the emails, and try and fix the commonality you can regexp match against the us-ascii text. _Or_ teach procmail about 8-bit regexps and how to transform encoded headers back into their 8-bit representations for regexp matching against. ^_^ (An alternative to the latter, find someone who's done it already) |
| 14:57.21 | karsten | zignig: Heh. |
| 14:57.47 | zignig | karsten: is the plural of iso ; isii ? |
| 14:58.46 | karsten | zignig: No, it's iweave. |
| 14:58.59 | sayadune | is anybody knows how knoppix detects a sata drive (controler is siL3112 and the drive a seagate one) while debianinstaller don't... I tried out with the same kernel version so i'm very disapointed to get this drive working under a 'real' debian installation |
| 14:59.03 | bizkit_ | karsten and zviratko: actually i noticed that my new server doesn't come with an empty disc, it comes with the same hardware same disc but a clean stable base system with ssh daemon. the problem is the paket management? i would just need a way to tell the new system to get the same packets as the other system, and after that to sync all config files?! |
| 14:59.12 | zignig | karsten: or ireap ? |
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| 14:59.42 | karsten | zignig: No, that's the future tense of iso. |
| 14:59.48 | zignig | bizkit_: fail over loadbalance ? |
| 14:59.59 | xoz | sayadune: tried linux26 at installer bootprompt? |
| 15:00.02 | karsten | zignig: The interrogative case is, of course, iwot. |
| 15:00.05 | sayadune | I've tried with bootstrap from knoppix, but it doesn't find the drive a boot time, |
| 15:00.18 | bizkit_ | zignig: sorryi don't understand? what do you mean? |
| 15:00.29 | abrotman | sayadune: you're using linux26 with the sarge installer .. right ? |
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| 15:00.33 | karsten | bizkit_: You're looking at an HA system. GIYF 'linux high availability' |
| 15:00.36 | sayadune | xoz, yes i've tried everything i could do (bios tricks, expert26 and loading modules at hand...) |
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| 15:00.50 | sayadune | abrotman, yes but it doesn't see the drive |
| 15:00.56 | takatumi | sayadune: debootstrap knoppix |
| 15:01.07 | abrotman | a sil3112 is pretty standard .. and i even used the boot floppies to install to a sil3112 |
| 15:01.14 | abrotman | and those are 2. |
| 15:01.16 | abrotman | err 2.4 |
| 15:01.24 | xoz | so another issue of sata? |
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| 15:01.50 | zoom | When using the 3.1 net installer I've setup LVM by creating a VG and LV (etc,home,usr,var,opt) how do I format those partitions with the installer? |
| 15:01.50 | sayadune | takatumi, I've done that, but when i'm booting with the fresh new install, he 'kernel panic' while pivot_root because he could not find the '/' mount point (the drive) |
| 15:02.05 | takatumi | sayadune: fix initrd |
| 15:02.14 | abrotman | fix fix! |
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| 15:02.50 | sayadune | takatumi, I'll try; using mkinitrd? |
| 15:02.59 | xoz | sayadune: are you using the standard kernel and indicated the location of initrd image in grub? |
| 15:03.26 | abrotman | a mouse ? |
| 15:03.29 | RiKu | hi all, need help to install debian sarge with scsi support. where i can find floppy disk images (modules) to get scsi support? thanks. |
| 15:03.49 | karsten | RiKu: standard netinst should work for you. Have you tried that? |
| 15:03.51 | sayadune | xoz, I'm using image-kernel-2.6.11-2-k7.deb |
| 15:03.53 | takatumi | sayadune: I believe so, I haven't made one, first chance you get try to get rid of it. |
| 15:04.02 | PerfDave | RiKu: Have you raed the Installation Manual? |
| 15:04.06 | abrotman | !ig |
| 15:04.06 | dpkg | ig is, like, for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 15:04.08 | RiKu | karsten> yes, but there is no scsi drivers on that. |
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| 15:04.28 | xoz | sayadune: then make sure you have the correct initrd option in grub |
| 15:04.29 | zignig | bizkit_: do you want to keep two identical machines or fail from running to spare ? |
| 15:04.41 | sayadune | xoz, I've tried at the beginning with grub, and I get the 'kernel panic', so i've tried with lilo and it does the same |
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| 15:05.03 | sayadune | xoz, I see that now |
| 15:05.05 | zignig | sayadune: bad ram? , weird disk chip? |
| 15:05.13 | takatumi | sayadune: also check /etc/kernel-img.conf for "do_initrd = yes" |
| 15:05.27 | zignig | sayadune: can you boot knoppix/ubuntu live disks ? |
| 15:05.36 | xoz | sayadune: most likely, it failed to load the needed module for your rootfs and sata which should have been loaded thru initrd |
| 15:05.55 | sayadune | zignig, none of them it a new PC; I can boot with no problems with knoppix, from which I made the debootstrap |
| 15:06.07 | karsten | RiKu: Full install disk then. What SCSI driver? |
| 15:06.15 | zignig | sayadune: ah , install debian pure the new installer rocks |
| 15:06.16 | zoom | Do I have to install debian before I can format the logical volumes for my LVM? |
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| 15:06.29 | sayadune | xoz, the sata supports doesn't seems to be from a module inside knoppix, since i've listed all loaded modules |
| 15:06.33 | karsten | RiKu: ...or a chroot install from Knoppix, which is my preferred root anyhow. See section C4 of the Debian Installer Guide. |
| 15:06.37 | xoz | sayadune: ah, so you should mount your root dir using rescue and install grub or lilo from there. |
| 15:06.43 | sayadune | but I test initrd checking |
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| 15:07.18 | TBBle | zoom: Nope, debian-installer can create LVM volumes, as I recall. |
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| 15:07.27 | zignig | zoom: why did you want lvm on all the partitions ? |
| 15:07.33 | RiKu | karsten> i have only floppy drive available. it's an old ISA AHA-1542B adapter. that should work with linux. |
| 15:07.36 | xoz | sayadune: try to install grub/lilo by mounting your root thru rescue option of the installer |
| 15:07.39 | Dangermouse_ | n |
| 15:07.46 | zignig | o |
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| 15:07.59 | RiKu | hardware try only detect ide drivers. |
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| 15:08.13 | xoz | sayadune: did you use chroot to install grub? |
| 15:08.15 | zoom | zignig: So I can extend them in the future if needed.. |
| 15:08.31 | sayadune | xoz, yes i did use chroot |
| 15:08.53 | zoom | I created a 2G / partition using ext3.. all the other partitions are part of the LVM.. |
| 15:08.58 | mgulley | q |
| 15:09.00 | mgulley | quit |
| 15:09.08 | RiKu | cannot chroot knoppix eithout cd-drive ;-) |
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| 15:09.14 | RiKu | *witchout |
| 15:09.17 | Dangermouse | Hi, i changed my resolution using the "Screen Resolution" app in the menu, but when i log out and log back in it goes back to my old resolution. |
| 15:09.20 | RiKu | typo :D |
| 15:09.21 | xoz | sayadune: it may not work... try to mount the root using a rescue disk... somehow, installing grub thru chroot does not always work IMO |
| 15:09.27 | zoom | I assume that I have to install debian before I can format those partitions.. I can't see anyway to format them via the installer.. |
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| 15:09.51 | sayadune | xoz, but from the rescue disk I can't see the drive, so... |
| 15:09.53 | Supaplex | !narf |
| 15:09.54 | dpkg | narf are you pondering what I'm pondering? ZORT! |
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| 15:10.07 | sayadune | xophEr, knoppix IS the rescue disk :p |
| 15:10.08 | xoz | sayadune: as well as lilo. tried it several times and failed. |
| 15:10.09 | Aragorn_Guardian | hi all |
| 15:10.10 | zignig | zoom: ah ok , I think you still have to format the LVM parts ( ext2,ext3 ) |
| 15:10.18 | TBBle | zoom: You may have to do expert mode, but the partitioner tool can create lvm physical volumes, and if you do that the lvm configuration thingy should assemble them for you. |
| 15:10.21 | karsten | RiKu: Put the HD in another system, run your update on that, transfer back to the system you want to run. |
| 15:10.34 | shingouz | !tell Dangermouse about drxx |
| 15:10.42 | xoz | sayadune: ah... that's a problem |
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| 15:10.53 | TBBle | zoom: If you get asked 'what debina-installer modules do I want' then you need to include the lvm one. |
| 15:11.00 | zignig | zoom: i'm not sure but i thought LVM needed a file system on top of it. |
| 15:11.13 | Aragorn_Guardian | i need gd in my php instalation, but i could not resolve all dependenciaes in php4.3.10, most actual php. some on could help? |
| 15:11.23 | xoz | sayadune: is there a way to use knoppix mounting your root during boot? like knoppix root=/dev/<drive> ? |
| 15:11.31 | zoom | zignig: okay.. thx |
| 15:11.34 | Aragorn_Guardian | what i need for gd? in my php gd is as shared |
| 15:11.37 | Supaplex | Aragorn_Guardian: which relase? |
| 15:11.39 | zignig | Aragorn_Guardian: apt-get install php4-gd ? |
| 15:11.46 | Aragorn_Guardian | 1 sec... |
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| 15:12.24 | sayadune | xoz, I look at initrd now, and I'll tried loading knoppix from my hd root after that |
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| 15:13.29 | Aragorn_Guardian | stable |
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| 15:13.57 | Aragorn_Guardian | zignig, gonna see... |
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| 15:14.02 | zignig | !beer Supaplex |
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| 15:14.14 | zignig | Supaplex: gotta wash those puffs down. |
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| 15:14.34 | Aragorn_Guardian | zignig: ifound two packages: php4-gd2 and php-gd |
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| 15:14.45 | xoz | sayadune: i suspect that even if you have the proper initrd and kernel, installing grub thru chroot may not work. the problem is that the /dev in chroot does not give the correct picture of the drive (my suspicion) such that the moment you tell grub to install itself, it encounters some problem. |
| 15:14.46 | zignig | Aragorn_Guardian: php-gd is a meta package |
| 15:14.52 | Supaplex | aptitude show php4-gd says it provides php4-gd2 |
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| 15:14.58 | zignig | zignig: it does php3 and php4 |
| 15:15.03 | Supaplex | yea, what zignig said. |
| 15:15.08 | zignig | Supaplex: oooh version 2 |
| 15:15.14 | Dangermouse | Did anyone get/reply to my question? |
| 15:15.24 | sayadune | xoz, I check it |
| 15:15.27 | Supaplex | !drool on version 2 |
| 15:15.27 | Aragorn_Guardian | dpkg -l show me this... |
| 15:15.28 | dpkg | No packages found matching show me this... |
| 15:15.30 | Aragorn_Guardian | ic php4-gd 4.3.10-15 GD module for php4 |
| 15:15.31 | Aragorn_Guardian | iU php4-gd2 4.1.2-2 GD module (with GD2) for php4 |
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| 15:15.45 | zignig | Aragorn_Guardian: install it and see if it works |
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| 15:15.48 | tombs | hi |
| 15:15.51 | Eulex | !tell Dangermouse about drxx |
| 15:16.02 | Aragorn_Guardian | nice... |
| 15:16.08 | xoz | sayadune: the sure way to install grub is if the root dir containing /dev is the current root. |
| 15:16.24 | xoz | sayadune: not inside the chroot |
| 15:16.24 | Supaplex | the php4-gd2 is older, and isn't in sarge |
| 15:16.41 | Supaplex | er 4.1.2-2 anyway |
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| 15:17.17 | Aragorn_Guardian | zignig, it show me to remove php-gd2 |
| 15:17.28 | TBBle | php4-gd2 is unneccessary. As I recall, php4-gd links against libgd2 now. |
| 15:17.37 | Supaplex | it provides and conflicts with php-gd2 |
| 15:17.44 | Supaplex | it's ok |
| 15:17.45 | Dangermouse | Eulex: must i go through all that? |
| 15:17.46 | Aragorn_Guardian | hum...good...thanks....gonna try again |
| 15:17.58 | sayadune | xoz, root=/dev/sda3 seems to not working from knoppix :/ |
| 15:18.47 | Supaplex | sayadune: scsi right? |
| 15:18.57 | Eulex | Dangermouse, or check yer /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 15:19.12 | sayadune | Supaplex, SATA, not SCSI; and yeah it's right |
| 15:19.20 | Supaplex | k, just checking. :) |
| 15:19.37 | sayadune | Supaplex, but none from debian :/ |
| 15:20.18 | Dangermouse | Eulex: what am i looking for? I see a DefaultDepth |
| 15:20.28 | Aragorn_Guardian | install it, but till dont works gd |
| 15:20.44 | Aragorn_Guardian | i downloaded gd-test1, for php and all fail... |
| 15:20.47 | xoz | sayadune: check this http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
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| 15:20.55 | Aragorn_Guardian | PHP: ImageTypes is NOT Supported |
| 15:20.55 | Eulex | Dangermouse, the first resolution in every mode-line |
| 15:21.15 | sayadune | xoz, thanks I look at |
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| 15:21.17 | Dangermouse | its 1280..the one i want |
| 15:21.37 | abrotman | so only pick one |
| 15:21.50 | Dangermouse | ok |
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| 15:22.08 | TBBle | Aragorn_Guardian: Whacky... Check your phpinfo to be sure gd's being loaded. |
| 15:22.36 | Dangermouse | brb |
| 15:22.37 | Supaplex | maybe your .ini is munged |
| 15:22.46 | zoom | I was able to format my LVM partitions using the shell from the 3.1 installer, do I have to mount each of them as well in order for the installer to use them? |
| 15:23.02 | zoom | installer still shows them as "Unknown" |
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| 15:23.16 | zoom | but I did a lvdisplay and they look fine |
| 15:23.18 | Aragorn_Guardian | TBBle, is, with suared=usr, but gd box, dont appear |
| 15:23.24 | Dangermouse | still doing it. grr where is it getting my old resolution from |
| 15:23.25 | Aragorn_Guardian | ops. shared |
| 15:23.49 | Aragorn_Guardian | '--with-gd=shared,/usr' |
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| 15:24.44 | quitte | zoom why didnt you format them with the menu? |
| 15:24.58 | Aragorn_Guardian | zignig: any sugestion? |
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| 15:25.01 | quitte | zoom they appear in the normal partitioning tool after setting up lvm |
| 15:25.25 | zoom | quitte: because it wasn't obivious too me via the installer.. Do I just select each LV and format it? |
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| 15:25.31 | xoz | sayadune: also, if you install grub in chroot, you must make sure to mount -t /proc /chroot-dir/proc before chroot <chroot-dir> so that chrooted dir has the proper /proc view of the kernel |
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| 15:26.00 | quitte | zoom yes. you use them just like partitions. each lv has two entries. use the second then you shouldnt get trouble. |
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| 15:26.30 | xoz | sayadune: otherwise, it may not have the correct information of the running kernel which is accessible thru /proc |
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| 15:26.57 | xoz | sayadune: including the drive information which is needed by grub to install itself |
| 15:27.03 | xydarcher | msg dpkg dns |
| 15:27.12 | zoom | quitte: So when I select the LV it asks me "I have selected an entire device to partition" If I proceed it will create a new partition on that device??? |
| 15:27.59 | zoom | wait.. I think I understand what you are saying.. sec |
| 15:28.01 | quitte | uhm you dont create partitions on lvs. |
| 15:28.23 | bizkit_ | karsten: what about dpkg --get-selections > some-file.txt then i backup /etc and copy /etc to the new base install and do dpkg --set-selections < some-file.txt and apt-get install? |
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| 15:28.35 | bizkit_ | karsten: will this work? |
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| 15:28.48 | zoom | quitte: got it.. ask you stated I needed to select the second entry in the list for each LV.. thx |
| 15:28.49 | sayadune | xoz, OK I think my problems came from the mount -t proc that I does 'after' chrooting, not before !! |
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| 15:28.58 | karsten | bizkit_: Sure. You can do that. You'll get a packagewise-similar copy of your old server. You'd want to sync up /etc as well. |
| 15:29.00 | sayadune | raaaaa |
| 15:29.07 | zignig | Aragorn_Guardian: is it packaged php ? |
| 15:29.10 | Monsibram | hi, im searching a tool to toggle through open windows in a windowmanager. i mean that meta+tab behaviour like in kde |
| 15:29.10 | quitte | zoom welcome |
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| 15:29.36 | xoz | bizkit_: you should use apt-get dselect-upgrade ... to use those selections |
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| 15:29.40 | Aragorn_Guardian | zignig, yes |
| 15:29.44 | petemc | Monsibram: thats quite a common feature in window managers |
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| 15:29.48 | bizkit_ | xoz: thanks |
| 15:29.56 | xoz | sayadune: yep... this order maybe is important. |
| 15:30.11 | zignig | Aragorn_Guardian: hmmmm, dunno , sorry |
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| 15:30.23 | Aragorn_Guardian | 8( |
| 15:30.25 | Aragorn_Guardian | thanks |
| 15:30.25 | Monsibram | petemc, but my fluxbox does not have this list, whenever i press meta+tab it goes one window furhter |
| 15:30.27 | Sebas_ | do you know some squid log analyzer that reports the page visited per client? because calamaris not do that |
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| 15:30.33 | zignig | Aragorn_Guardian: np ;) |
| 15:30.52 | zignig | Sebas_: awstats does squid logs |
| 15:30.57 | zignig | Sebas_: i think |
| 15:31.02 | xoz | sayadune: to make sure you have the correct image of /proc ... try top or ps ax after chroot... if you have similar result inside and outside chroot... then you can try install grub. |
| 15:31.05 | petemc | Monsibram: keep pressing tab with meta and it should cycle through |
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| 15:31.12 | FieldySnuts | be sure you have the latest version of awstats if you use it, it was recently vulnerable to a remote exploit |
| 15:31.15 | sayadune | xoz, , when I typed 'mount' after chroot I get many lines with proc and I now understand why; huhu |
| 15:31.25 | bizkit_ | is there a way to create a tarball of local files on a remote machine using ssh? (without having write-operations on the local system??) |
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| 15:31.36 | Monsibram | petemc, it does, but i dont have a small window-list or appropriate |
| 15:31.54 | asg | bizkit_: tar -cf - /some/dir | ssh user@server "cd /some/dir ; tar -xf -" |
| 15:32.20 | asg | bizkit_: if you con't want to untar on the other side, just use 'cat ->> mytar.tar' |
| 15:32.23 | sayadune | xoz, thanks for that, he will help me I hope |
| 15:32.28 | Sebas_ | zignig: thanks |
| 15:32.37 | bizkit_ | asg: thanks!! |
| 15:32.41 | rikva | Hi, I'm writing a small shellscript for a cronjob that should mail to a user. How can I make 'mail' just to send the mail and not wait for input? |
| 15:32.45 | joris | regexp... how do you write "optional" ? |
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| 15:32.53 | xoz | sayadune: maybe the kernel is confused. anyway, i cannot assure you though because in my case, i have to use the option i told you regarding using the rescue disk to make grub work for my system.. you may be succesful though. |
| 15:32.56 | s3r | hi all |
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| 15:33.27 | asg | rikva: echo 'some message' | mail -s subject user@domain |
| 15:33.36 | LSorense_ | rikva: echo "My message" | mail -s "Subject" user@host |
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| 15:33.53 | rikva | asg and LSorense : thanks |
| 15:34.07 | asg | rikva: if you just want the script output to be mailed, set a MAILTO variable in the crontab and assign the address to it. All output from the job will be mailed to the user. |
| 15:34.18 | gnarf | joris, for optional use ? |
| 15:34.37 | rikva | asg: It is not a crontab entry, just a shellscript in /etc/cron.weekly |
| 15:34.53 | gnarf | joris, no, this is not a question... ;-) |
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| 15:35.28 | orjan | After a reboot of a sarge boxI got problem with dhclient3. NError msg network is down. what to check? |
| 15:35.52 | gnarf | network? |
| 15:35.58 | joris | gnarf: nah, "this can, but does not have to occure" |
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| 15:36.30 | s3r | im hacker |
| 15:36.33 | s3r | spamer |
| 15:36.36 | s3r | coder |
| 15:36.38 | s3r | cracker |
| 15:36.38 | orjan | gnarf the network as in cable connection works |
| 15:36.39 | FieldySnuts | we care |
| 15:36.39 | jethro | !hack s3r |
| 15:36.43 | s3r | cashier |
| 15:36.50 | FieldySnuts | ~tell s3r about enter |
| 15:36.50 | jethro | !aolify s3r |
| 15:36.51 | s3r | ll |
| 15:36.51 | s3r | lol |
| 15:36.52 | asg | !tell s3r about enter |
| 15:37.01 | Supaplex | s3r: and troll |
| 15:37.07 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate s3r |
| 15:37.07 | apt | s3r: Y iz debain so old? who uses dvd !!!1 |
| 15:37.16 | Supaplex | !confuse s3r |
| 15:37.17 | dpkg | Yes, those are our gerbil today, s3r? lederhosen of the people's republic of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
| 15:37.25 | s3r | looooooool |
| 15:37.29 | FieldySnuts | ~aussiesmite s3r |
| 15:37.32 | FieldySnuts | gah |
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| 15:38.20 | gnarf | orjan, maybe strace -e trace=network might help? |
| 15:38.32 | gnarf | what do the logs say? |
| 15:39.06 | bizkit_ | asg: do you know howto simply do this with rsync? my backup partner won't give me ssh access |
| 15:39.22 | orjan | gnarf no msg more msg in syslog I think is connected, I'll try the strace cmd |
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| 15:40.28 | asg | bizkit_: rsync needs a remote account to work anyway. Using it with anything besides ssh as a transport medium would be even less secure. |
| 15:40.30 | orix | hi, does recent debian install cd support SATA ? |
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| 15:40.31 | gnarf | read man strace |
| 15:40.32 | Supaplex | man my 2d accelleration suxors. |
| 15:40.39 | gnarf | too late... :-( |
| 15:40.45 | rking | Supaplex: how are you testing it? just by browsing the web, etc? |
| 15:41.13 | Supaplex | seems to redraw like windows nt4 when I switch programs or desktops |
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| 15:41.25 | daffy-pkf | can someone here help me with ddd? (or gdb), i'm trying tu debug a library i made (i know it's not the good chan but maybe i'll be lucky...) |
| 15:41.39 | asg | daffy-pkf: have you asked in #c yet? |
| 15:41.42 | vincenz | Hello everyone |
| 15:41.42 | rking | daffy-pkf: sure, what's your problem? |
| 15:41.59 | xoz | daffy-pkf: we can try |
| 15:42.05 | daffy-pkf | asg> #c++ |
| 15:42.07 | vincenz | my /home is fortunately on a different partition... |
| 15:42.23 | daffy-pkf | well, i'd like to know how to debug a shared library |
| 15:42.23 | vincenz | any guiding words before I make the transition? |
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| 15:42.41 | asg | daffy-pkf: well, try ##c (looks like #c is now closed) |
| 15:42.42 | s3r | ./server irc.efchat.net #ccpower Come PLs |
| 15:42.44 | s3r | ./server irc.efchat.net #ccpower Come PLs |
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| 15:43.01 | FieldySnuts | apt: test |
| 15:43.01 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 15:43.04 | FieldySnuts | dingbat |
| 15:43.06 | s3r | lol |
| 15:43.11 | s3r | come |
| 15:43.16 | Putiikki | why? |
| 15:43.16 | orix | hi, does anyone knows if SATA is supported by recent debian install CD ? or any experience with ? |
| 15:43.21 | FieldySnuts | caphuso / RichiH can we get rid of s3r please |
| 15:43.25 | asg | s3r: feel free to go away and stop being a sad wanker </sussudio> |
| 15:43.34 | vincenz | Anyone? What should I backup if I transition from mandrake to debian?/ |
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| 15:43.47 | s3r | are u bots ? |
| 15:43.48 | FieldySnuts | sanity, for one |
| 15:43.49 | s3r | lamers |
| 15:43.49 | rikva | vincenz: your homedir? |
| 15:43.50 | s3r | lol |
| 15:43.57 | xoz | seems that it's free for all now... the ops are sleeping |
| 15:44.05 | jethro | is !ops no longer working? |
| 15:44.06 | vincenz | rikva: my /home is on a different partition |
| 15:44.10 | daffy-pkf | i made a program to test a library i'm programming, this library uses sdl and i have a segfault when calling an sdl function, so the goal is to debug my shared library (and maybe sdl one) to find the problem |
| 15:44.13 | FieldySnuts | ~ops certainly isn't |
| 15:44.22 | jethro | !ops can we get rid of s3r please? |
| 15:44.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: can we get rid of s3r please |
| 15:44.25 | rikva | vincenz: your X11 configfile, GRUB/LILO configfile, things like hat |
| 15:44.30 | jethro | ditto |
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| 15:44.35 | asg | daffy-pkf: and you should ask ##c how to debug your library. They will have more experience in such matters. |
| 15:44.42 | vincenz | rikva: also my passwd, shadow and groups?/ |
| 15:45.00 | daffy-pkf | asg> ok, thanks |
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| 15:45.23 | FieldySnuts | --- [s3r] #debian @#debain |
| 15:45.24 | vincenz | rikva: I think my X11 config files are pretty standard... anything else? |
| 15:45.25 | rikva | vincenz: I wouldn't know if it is possible to backup them and if you need them, when i moved from gentoo to debian i only backupped /home, x11 config and grub config |
| 15:45.25 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 15:45.27 | gnarf | latex, footnote -> syntax? |
| 15:45.36 | jethro | thanks caphuso |
| 15:45.39 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: thanks :) |
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| 15:45.51 | Supaplex | yay caphuso |
| 15:46.06 | vincenz | rikva: you really backed up? |
| 15:46.10 | s9sttief | Can somebody tell me when you are expect the release of the graphical jigdo? |
| 15:46.10 | rikva | vincenz: yep |
| 15:46.17 | rikva | vincenz: lets not forget the fstabv |
| 15:46.19 | vincenz | rikva: can't I just assume it'll be fine seeing that /home is on another partition? |
| 15:46.20 | rikva | vincenz: lets not forget the fstab * |
| 15:46.37 | rikva | vincenz: and the hosts file perhaps |
| 15:46.44 | Supaplex | s9sttief: when it's done, provided someone is actually working on it. |
| 15:46.50 | rikva | vincenz: you can assume that as long as you dont delete that partition |
| 15:46.54 | vincenz | hosts is pretty empty |
| 15:46.55 | caphuso | gnarf: you want the read "the not so short introduction to latex" |
| 15:46.57 | xoz | vincenz: try to backup you data.. maybe in /home as well as XF86Config... /etc just in case you need some configs |
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| 15:47.05 | vincenz | xoz: the entire /etc? |
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| 15:47.14 | foznot | I am using kernel 2.6.11-1-k7 and I cannot get dma to turn on, i have tried adding amd74xx to /etc/modules but that hasn't worked, any ideas? |
| 15:47.17 | vincenz | seeing that /home is another partition |
| 15:47.20 | xoz | vincenz: yep, it's not that large |
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| 15:47.29 | eranj | abrotman: can you check an error I got trying to install a program? |
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| 15:47.39 | vincenz | xoz: lots of crap tho |
| 15:47.59 | vincenz | alright |
| 15:48.01 | VivekVC | how do i reconfigure dhcp in debian |
| 15:48.04 | vincenz | me copied /etc to /home/etc |
| 15:48.06 | xoz | vincenz: just for the time being until you are confident you won't need it. |
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| 15:48.32 | vincenz | perfect |
| 15:48.33 | rikva | VivekVC: apt-get install etherconf; dpkg-reconfigure etherconf |
| 15:48.33 | vincenz | I think |
| 15:48.50 | Mestapheles | hi |
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| 15:49.04 | VivekVC | and i find dhcp and dhcp3 in "apt-cache search dhcp", i am confused as to use dchp or dhcp3 |
| 15:49.27 | xoz | vincenz: apt-get install dhclient or pump...the in /etc/network/interfaces .. indicate iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 15:49.51 | xoz | vincenz: and auto lo eth0 prior to that |
| 15:49.52 | rikva | VivekVC: dhcp3 is a server afaik |
| 15:49.57 | FieldySnuts | it is |
| 15:50.02 | eranj | could someone check out an error I've got? |
| 15:50.18 | vincenz | xoz: wrong pperson :P |
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| 15:50.45 | xoz | vincenz: heh.... sorry |
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| 15:50.58 | vincenz | anywho |
| 15:51.00 | TBBle | Aragorn_Guardian: Ever get php4-gd working? |
| 15:51.07 | vincenz | lemme install mirc on my laptop here and I'll get started with debian |
| 15:51.11 | vincenz | xoz: estimated time of install? |
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| 15:51.55 | xoz | vincenz: if you are using netinstall ... only the base files will be installed and it is up to you which packages to install... there are more than 16,000 packages. |
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| 15:52.13 | abrotman | eranj: you have to be more specific |
| 15:52.23 | xoz | vincenz: which would take less than 15 minutes depending on your bandwidth. |
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| 15:52.34 | eranj | abrotman: I'm trying to install btmanager. please check out the error in #flood |
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| 15:53.14 | xoz | vincenz: you can use aptitude or apt or synaptic to choose your packages later after the base files are properly installed |
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| 15:53.50 | vincenz | xoz: right but I'd like a working system |
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| 15:54.12 | vincenz | which reminds me |
| 15:54.37 | PerfDave | vincenz: A netinstall will give you a working system. |
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| 15:54.55 | xoz | vincenz: you can also use tasksel to autmatically select a group of packages for desktop, webserver, latex, programming.... the netinstall is a working system but very minimal |
| 15:55.04 | vincenz | PerfDave: I know, just curious how long it'll take to get the necessary stuff on my computer |
| 15:55.17 | PerfDave | vincenz: How long will it take you to download a 110Mb ISO? :) |
| 15:55.36 | xoz | vincenz: if you have a fast connection, maybe 10 minutes? |
| 15:55.39 | vincenz | PerfDave: ugh, I meant with the typical packets |
| 15:55.55 | PerfDave | vincenz: That will give you everything you need for a working system. |
| 15:55.58 | vincenz | like x11, python, ruby, lighttpd, etc etc |
| 15:56.06 | vincenz | latex |
| 15:56.20 | PerfDave | vincenz: Everybody has a different definition of "typical packets", so that's why we have a netinstall. |
| 15:56.22 | vincenz | xoz: how much download do you think I'll need? |
| 15:56.26 | xoz | vincenz: i guess not |
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| 15:56.30 | Mak | hello |
| 15:56.37 | vincenz | xoz: more or less? |
| 15:56.43 | deadfizh | less is more |
| 15:56.55 | PerfDave | vincenz: Just download the first full CD or so, that should have most things you want on. |
| 15:57.20 | vincenz | 3G? |
| 15:57.22 | xoz | vincenz: you can visit debian.org... well, since you need X and latex, maybe 3 to 4 cds |
| 15:57.28 | vincenz | okki |
| 15:57.36 | PerfDave | A netinstall is the most bandwidth-efficient way to install. |
| 15:57.41 | Mak | Im trying make an initrd but when I try 'mkinitrd -o initrd 2.6.12.2' it gives me warnings about specifying options before other arguments and doesnt write an initrd. anyone know what I might be doing wrong? |
| 15:57.51 | vincenz | rightio |
| 15:57.58 | xoz | vincenz: try netinstall.. it will save you bandwidth and time |
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| 15:58.10 | orix | Hey does anyone knows if SATA is supported by testing debian install CDs ? |
| 15:58.10 | PerfDave | Not time, necessarily. |
| 15:58.20 | PerfDave | orix: Yes, and by stable. |
| 15:58.22 | vincenz | which one? |
| 15:58.26 | vincenz | stable? |
| 15:58.29 | orix | PerfDave : ok thx :) |
| 15:58.30 | PerfDave | vincenz: Yes |
| 15:58.38 | PerfDave | There are etch install CDs now? |
| 15:58.39 | vincenz | PerfDave: it has recent compilers? |
| 15:58.40 | orix | PerfDave : my CD was probably too old :) |
| 15:58.51 | xoz | Mak: mkinitrd -o image-name <kernel-version> |
| 15:59.09 | PerfDave | vincenz: gcc 3.4 |
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| 15:59.24 | Mak | xoz right. thats what Im doing 'mkinitrd -o initrd 2.6.12.2' |
| 15:59.34 | xoz | Mak: kernel version is uname -r |
| 15:59.49 | vincenz | PerfDave: 4.0? python 2.4? ocaml 3.08-3? ruby 1.8.3? |
| 15:59.54 | Mak | xoz its not for this kernel. its for the one I just compiled |
| 16:00.07 | PerfDave | vincenz: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 16:00.12 | caoilte | hi. just upgraded postgresql to latest unstable. now i can't get it to use any sort of authentication except IDENT. it's like its ignoring my pg_hba.conf file. has anyone experienced this? |
| 16:00.13 | xoz | Mak: you have to check its version in /lib/modules |
| 16:00.25 | PerfDave | caoilte: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 16:00.32 | Mak | xoz: I am using the exact name in the /lib/modules directory |
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| 16:01.26 | usn | hi folx |
| 16:01.34 | vincenz | PerfDave: at least I also have my laptop so I got a place to axe questions :P |
| 16:01.34 | abrotman | caoilte: checked the bts ? |
| 16:01.41 | xoz | Mak: check your /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf |
| 16:02.08 | xoz | Mak: it should work |
| 16:02.15 | Mak | xoz: its givingme errors about -maxdepth and -mindepth options I allegedly specified (but I havent, Ive simply typed 'mkinitrd -o initrd 2.6.12.2' |
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| 16:02.53 | spiekey | hi |
| 16:03.06 | usn | hi UNION|IceFire |
| 16:03.14 | UNION|IceFire | hi |
| 16:03.16 | vincenz | tho mirc is giving me sissues |
| 16:03.22 | UNION|IceFire | ist das ein deutscher oder englischer channel? |
| 16:03.34 | spiekey | have just answered the question if i want to replace the old config file with no. but now i do want to replace the old one with the new one. |
| 16:03.42 | spiekey | how can i make debian ask me again?! |
| 16:03.46 | avu | !de |
| 16:03.46 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 16:04.06 | Mak | I bet its broken. let me do a apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:04.56 | TBBle | spiekey: If you tell it you want to keep your old conffile, the new one is saved as *.dpkg-new |
| 16:05.35 | spiekey | TBBle: where? |
| 16:05.45 | TBBle | spiekey: Whereever the old config file is. |
| 16:05.47 | spiekey | i have only got a old postfix.dpkg-dist |
| 16:06.11 | TBBle | Hmm. Maybe it removes it after dpkg is complete. I forget. Sorry. |
| 16:06.14 | PerfDave | xoz: Checked the BTS? ;) |
| 16:06.18 | spiekey | TBBle: its dated from Aug 25 |
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| 16:06.37 | TBBle | spiekey: In that case, grab the .deb, use dpkg-deb to extract the config file, and replace it. |
| 16:07.09 | xoz | PerfDave: seems that Mak is correct... it's broken |
| 16:07.44 | vincenz | Anyone know a good irc client for windows?/ |
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| 16:08.01 | spiekey | vincenz: cygwin --> bitchx :P |
| 16:08.06 | vincenz | good idea :) |
| 16:08.33 | nvz | vincenz: Chatzilla in Firefox |
| 16:08.36 | jla | is there a program that will list the filesytem types on a disk? fdisk lists the sysetm type, but I've got a partition that mount isn't mounting and I'd like to make sure it's unformatted. |
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| 16:09.19 | xoz | jla: cfdisk? |
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| 16:09.44 | ricky_clarkson | Does an Ethernet card know about ARP, or does the computer handle it? |
| 16:09.51 | nvz | bitchx isnt a good irc client in any OS. XChat is non-free.. Chatzilla isnt really that good, but its easy to get and use.. and most windows users will never notice its installed.. its what I use on my mothers PC or something if I dont want them flipping out that I installed something |
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| 16:10.38 | Despite | ricky_clarkson -> computer |
| 16:10.40 | caoilte | abrotman: nothing. |
| 16:10.40 | nvz | jla: you cannot mount an unformatted partition. would probably be the problem |
| 16:10.43 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: arp is stored dynamically in a computer cache |
| 16:10.46 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you mean OS vs hardware ? |
| 16:11.08 | jla | xoz: ahh, yes. I'm trying to debootstrap a rh7.3 system, so I'll try to find cfdisk for it. |
| 16:11.24 | K3D | can i get some help for suse in this chanel? |
| 16:11.29 | jla | nvz: I'm hoping that's it, but I'd like to be sure before I kill it. |
| 16:11.39 | nvz | K3D: no, you can ask a question though |
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| 16:12.02 | jla | nvz: it says mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 16:12.08 | nvz | K3D: if the debian way doesnt work, you are SOL, try #suse |
| 16:12.29 | nvz | jla: you cannot mount a partition without a filesystem |
| 16:12.37 | nvz | jla: its just not possible |
| 16:12.42 | xoz | K3D: if you have a general question not specific to SUSE, we may be able to help |
| 16:12.49 | abrotman | caoilte: you oculd contact the maintainer and ask ? |
| 16:12.57 | jla | nvz: might it also fail with this error if it has a filesystem it doesn't understand? |
| 16:12.57 | K3D | i cant login as root in my suse distro. It says that something is wrong with 'X session'.. |
| 16:12.58 | Despite | jla try mount -t ext2 |
| 16:13.14 | K3D | but i can login from the consol |
| 16:13.27 | abrotman | um #suse ? |
| 16:13.29 | jla | Despite: I have, it says wrong fs type, bad option, etc.. |
| 16:13.32 | FieldySnuts | damnit ask #suse , christ how hard is it |
| 16:13.33 | K3D | does someone know how i can solve this prob |
| 16:13.37 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: abrotman: I mean ARP packets. I know ARP is encapsulated in Ethernet packets, so does that mean the Ethernet card doesn't need to know or care about ARP? |
| 16:13.45 | jdhutchin1 | K3D, ask in #suse and don't log in as root anyways |
| 16:13.55 | ricky_clarkson | K3D: Are you related to G3D? |
| 16:13.56 | xoz | K3D: maybe, it is a security feature because logging in X as root is *danger* |
| 16:14.10 | Despite | jla u dont remember what type u used? |
| 16:14.16 | caoilte | abrotman: will do. i like to ask here first. |
| 16:14.24 | K3D | ricky_clarkson: no but why |
| 16:14.27 | nvz | jla: fails with that error if you use no -t, there is no kernel driver for the filesystem, the filesystem specified doesn match the filesystem on the partition, you used a bad option, or even there are too many mounted filesystems |
| 16:14.33 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: yep.. it is inside another layer i think |
| 16:14.46 | Despite | K3D it's not a suse problem but a XFRee problem ;-) |
| 16:14.49 | vincenz | crap |
| 16:14.50 | defcon8 | anyone read that post "what the eff is this" on linux.user.debian? I feel like committing suicide right now after reading that |
| 16:14.50 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: Cheers, makes sense. |
| 16:14.51 | xoz | card is only aware of ip |
| 16:14.53 | jla | Despite: no :(, and I may have not used anything. The current kernel doesn't support xfs and -t jfs gives a seg fault. |
| 16:15.07 | Despite | jla reiserfs? |
| 16:15.28 | ricky_clarkson | xoz: A card knows its own IP? |
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| 16:15.29 | nvz | xoz: unless its in promisc mode, then its not really even paying attention to that |
| 16:15.50 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: heh... no |
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| 16:16.09 | vincenz | it needs glib |
| 16:16.15 | xoz | nvz: yeah... what i meant is hwaddr |
| 16:16.17 | nvz | vincenz: irssi-text |
| 16:16.18 | vincenz | and glib won't compile under cygwn |
| 16:16.23 | ricky_clarkson | I thought a card just knew its MAC address, and only paid attention to packets with that as the destination IP, or broadcast (is broadcast zero?). |
| 16:16.33 | FieldySnuts | what's cygwn got to do with this |
| 16:16.34 | nvz | xoz: *nods* |
| 16:16.34 | xoz | ricky_clarkson: hwaddr.. you are correct |
| 16:16.48 | jla | Despite: I think it's too late to see. It thinks that device is mounted after the jfs segfault. :( |
| 16:16.50 | vincenz | FieldySnuts: I'm upping my desktop to debian, I'd like to be able to talk on here on my laptop |
| 16:16.54 | ricky_clarkson | vincenz: Er, #cygwin, and iirc Cygwin comes with a glib implementation anyway. |
| 16:16.55 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: it can unless it's set in promiscuous mode (such as tcpdump) |
| 16:17.05 | vincenz | strange |
| 16:17.11 | ricky_clarkson | Does promiscuous mode cause any side-effects? |
| 16:17.14 | ricky_clarkson | Sloth, etc. |
| 16:17.17 | xoz | nvz: ricky_clarkson that's why ip to hwaddr can be spoofed |
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| 16:17.22 | Monsibram | how can i see which files a package installed using apt? |
| 16:17.31 | abrotman | Monsibram: man dpkg |
| 16:17.32 | caphuso | Monsibram: you can't. use dpkg -L |
| 16:17.41 | abrotman | he can't ? |
| 16:17.43 | ricky_clarkson | Monsibram: apt doesn't install packages. |
| 16:17.49 | caphuso | apt doesn't know or care about the content of packages |
| 16:17.55 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: causes the card to listen to all traffic unstead of just traffic addressed to it.. though I dont think it actually interprets the traffic and sends replies, just listens |
| 16:18.01 | abrotman | i think he meant he installed them using apt :) |
| 16:18.02 | ricky_clarkson | Monsibram: That's like asking a car dealer how a radiator works. |
| 16:18.05 | Despite | ricky_clarkson wrong ;-) |
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| 16:18.18 | abrotman | Despite: he's right |
| 16:18.22 | Despite | apt-get install does |
| 16:18.32 | xoz | nvz: yeah, it's the other layers... the topmost that can be used to interpret the packets |
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| 16:18.34 | abrotman | neither does apt-get |
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| 16:18.41 | ricky_clarkson | Despite: apt-get uses dpkg to do the installation. |
| 16:18.44 | Mak- | I am still unable to get mkinitrd to work |
| 16:18.52 | Despite | ok ok |
| 16:18.59 | xoz | Mak-: are you in sid? |
| 16:19.00 | Despite | sorry |
| 16:19.01 | ricky_clarkson | It's not an important distinction, tbh. |
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| 16:19.09 | nvz | xoz: I don't know much about the layers of the networking onion |
| 16:19.13 | Mak- | xoz, yeah |
| 16:19.22 | Pryon | It's not an onion, it's a bean dip |
| 16:19.25 | nvz | I do know I am hungry and need a shower though |
| 16:19.32 | xoz | Mak-: i cannot create an image also... maybe, you can check BTS |
| 16:19.45 | Mak- | xoz what is BTS? |
| 16:19.46 | nvz | Pryon: wtf kind of bean dip are you eating that has layers? |
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| 16:19.53 | xoz | Mak-: !bts |
| 16:19.56 | xoz | !bts |
| 16:19.57 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 16:20.01 | Pryon | You've never heard of a layered bean dip? |
| 16:20.02 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: One that has been in a centrifuge. |
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| 16:20.20 | Despite | ricky_clarkson what is your problem with arp? |
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| 16:20.27 | nvz | I never really hear of or seen bean dip period |
| 16:20.27 | xoz | Mak-: apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 16:20.31 | thingfish | layered bean dips are great. |
| 16:20.38 | ricky_clarkson | Despite: I'm implementing it, just doing a sanity check. |
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| 16:20.50 | Mak- | xoz, yeah, I figured it must be broken. |
| 16:20.51 | Pryon | http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,seven_layer_bean_dip,FF.html |
| 16:20.57 | Mak- | there arent many other explenations left |
| 16:21.00 | Pryon | shamelessly stolen by cooks.com from the OSI |
| 16:21.01 | Despite | ricky_clarkson k |
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| 16:21.42 | xoz | Mak-: the strange thing is that i got no errors but when i check the dir... there is no image... but it looks busy for certain seconds. |
| 16:22.01 | xoz | Mak-: while running mkinitrd |
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| 16:22.10 | ricky_clarkson | Are any quotes from #debian in any of the fortune packages? |
| 16:22.12 | nvz | oh well.. off to my "office" to do some morning "paperwork" then take a shower and make some f00d |
| 16:22.19 | incorrect | is it possible to undelete on reiserfs? |
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| 16:23.07 | Mak- | xoz, I dont get errors but I get warnings |
| 16:23.23 | xoz | Mak-: so try bts then to make sure |
| 16:23.29 | Mak- | xoz, it says: find: warning: you have specified the -mindepth option after a non-option argument -type, but options are not positional (-mindepth affects tests specified before it as well as those specified after it). Please specify options before other arguments. |
| 16:23.32 | nvz | heh, damn I got disconnected :P |
| 16:23.42 | disconnected | nvz :P~ |
| 16:23.45 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.49 | Despite | incorrect u can try a grep on the device |
| 16:23.49 | nvz | oops :P |
| 16:23.55 | Mak- | xoz, then it gives an identical warning but with -maxdepth instead of -mindepth |
| 16:24.03 | Mak- | xoz, and it seems busy but doesnt write anything |
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| 16:25.11 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: So, your password is ... |
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| 16:25.40 | xerophyte | i had raid 5 one disk is failed now i could not mount the rest of the drive can somebody tell me whats wrong here you can find the dmesg at http://paste.plone.org/2603 |
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| 16:26.00 | initech | xerophyte: what, only 3 drives perhaps? |
| 16:26.43 | xerophyte | initech, i had 4 drive one got failed which is first on the raid .. i have 3 now .. but could not able to mount it .. |
| 16:26.44 | xoz | Mak-: try to install the latest mkinitrd-cd |
| 16:26.59 | mwilson | I need to find a nice, small distribution that I can boot via PXE... |
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| 16:27.03 | caoilte | abrotman: ah found it. they've moved configuration directories around. |
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| 16:27.25 | xerophyte | initech, i could not even see the /dev/md0 which is the one has problem .. you can check the dmesg http://paste.plone.org/2603 |
| 16:27.30 | xoz | Mak-: ah, mkinitrd-cd is for usb and cd |
| 16:27.32 | initech | mwilson: that pebble linux thing looks promising |
| 16:27.57 | paster | "[G][N][A][A]" at 193.219.28.149 pasted "Jews did WTC" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/287 |
| 16:27.58 | Mak- | Ill just wait. someone is bound to fix it eventually. I dont HAVE to upgrade my kernel today |
| 16:28.06 | paulswm | I don't think this was one of ours, but HAHAHA: http://bash.org/?38880 |
| 16:28.07 | mwilson | initech: I haven't heard of that one. |
| 16:28.21 | initech | mwilson: it a tiny debian based thing |
| 16:28.29 | abrotman | caoilte: those bastards! |
| 16:28.32 | xoz | Mak-: initrd-tools |
| 16:28.35 | abrotman | nvz: office ? |
| 16:28.44 | Unskill3d | do you know a good gui ftp client, except gftp ? |
| 16:28.52 | mwilson | initech: Loading the *installer* though PXE is easy enough, but it's beginning to look like if I want to boot something other than that, I'm going to have to create it myself. |
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| 16:29.27 | Spec | paulswm, there's an easy way to cure users who do that, change their shell to /bin/false |
| 16:29.56 | paulswm | Spec: In this case, no need at all :) |
| 16:29.59 | Spec | mwilson, load a small installation of gentoo and use ltsp? |
| 16:30.02 | Spec | paulswm, so very true |
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| 16:30.34 | initech | only prob with gentoo is that is changes all the time, like sid |
| 16:30.47 | paulswm | Spec: His computer was immune from any further damage he might have done, even as root :P |
| 16:30.55 | Spec | hehehe |
| 16:30.59 | mwilson | I found RIP, which is nice, but there's not a lot to it. |
| 16:31.05 | Spec | i've never even thought about doing that |
| 16:31.09 | Spec | so tempting.... |
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| 16:31.39 | paulswm | !tell Spec about downtime |
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| 16:31.45 | FieldySnuts | tell me, too |
| 16:31.58 | Spec | hahahahhahaa |
| 16:31.59 | paulswm | !tell FieldySnuts about downtime |
| 16:32.07 | FieldySnuts | sweet |
| 16:32.08 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 16:32.09 | dpkg | [qotd55] < ricky_clarkson> A girl has invited me to learn it with her, from a video, in her bedroom :) |
| 16:32.12 | ricky_clarkson | Gah. |
| 16:32.14 | FieldySnuts | uh |
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| 16:32.22 | paulswm | I added that a couple of weeks ago, one of my favourite definitions |
| 16:32.26 | mwilson | Just for grins, I have the network in the house set up to allow you to install any of Sarge, Ubuntu Hoary, or oBSD 3.7 via PXE. Just beacause I could. :) |
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| 16:32.34 | FieldySnuts | i saw a funny shirt that said "I taught your girlfriend that thing you like" |
| 16:32.40 | ricky_clarkson | !pxe |
| 16:32.41 | dpkg | [pxe] a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php |
| 16:32.42 | Dak | I'd like to set up my printer. I use kde control panel. It finds my Epson but when it asks me to enter user name and password of the printing system I don't know what I have to write... |
| 16:32.43 | vincenz | Hello :) |
| 16:32.46 | vincenz | I'm on my laptop now |
| 16:32.49 | vincenz | time to install debian on my desktop |
| 16:32.55 | Spec | !qotd42 |
| 16:32.55 | dpkg | [qotd42] * ravenbird whips out his power stapler and staples jetscreamer's genitalia to the ground <jetscreamer> musta been a very large staple |
| 16:33.01 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 16:33.15 | Spec | damn; kinda disturbing. |
| 16:33.15 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: I want to get one that says "Better than the guy you're with" on the front, and "That's what he thinks" on the back. |
| 16:33.23 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: HahaHA |
| 16:33.27 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 16:33.35 | FieldySnuts | there was a variation too "I taught your boyfriend that thing you like" |
| 16:33.41 | Mak- | how would I switch from sid to stable if I wanted to? |
| 16:33.48 | ricky_clarkson | Mak-: Install stable. |
| 16:34.10 | Spec | Mak-, chmod -rwx /bin/sh and reinstall your entire system |
| 16:34.26 | Spec | you don't have to do the chmod; but it's amusing. |
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| 16:35.05 | paulswm | FieldySnuts, on a similar topic: http://bash.org/?183340 |
| 16:35.17 | xoz | !qotd104 |
| 16:35.17 | dpkg | hmm... qotd104 is <overclocker> hi, i'n using x3270 to connect to a sco server, everithing works fine except the function keys, ideas? <asg> overclocker: do you have a license for the function keys? <overclocker> i just want to use the F-keys of my keyboard when i connect to the sco server, do i need a licence to do that? |
| 16:35.27 | FieldySnuts | boo |
| 16:36.01 | paulswm | I haven't been watching, busy and smart here today? |
| 16:36.07 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 16:36.12 | paulswm | :( |
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| 16:36.25 | ricky_clarkson | I haven't noticed bob2 here for ages. |
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| 16:36.35 | FieldySnuts | no one who will be missed |
| 16:36.42 | FieldySnuts | </troll> |
| 16:37.11 | Dak | I'd like to set up my printer. I use kde control panel. It finds my Epson but when it asks me to enter printing system's user name and password I don't know what I have to write... |
| 16:37.23 | xoz | bob2 is now in #ubuntu |
| 16:37.29 | Spec | Dak, you've mentioned that |
| 16:37.43 | Dak | What have I to do? |
| 16:37.51 | FieldySnuts | master yoda? |
| 16:37.55 | jla | Dak: is the Epson printer hooked to a windows system? |
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| 16:38.30 | Dak | what does hooked mean? (I'm from Italy) |
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| 16:38.35 | Mak- | hmm..I guess someone needs to implement apt-get downgrade to switch to stable |
| 16:38.47 | jla | Dak: connected, the wire plugs into, etc |
| 16:38.52 | scar_ | is there any good tutorial out there how to set up a brand new hdd within sarge? including partitioning and setting it up regular sector checks?... |
| 16:38.56 | rking | is there a way, using routing tables or something, where i can have an intermediate proc own port 80, and be able to dynamically redirect that to, say, 21001 and 21002? i have a web server that needs good uptime, but every time i release code to it, a restart/service-loss is required. |
| 16:39.06 | Dak | I use linux debian |
| 16:39.20 | jla | Dak: so the printer is plugged into your debian computer? |
| 16:39.21 | Dak | through usb |
| 16:39.28 | Dak | yes |
| 16:39.30 | vincenz | hello I'm installing debian and I'm at the partition stage |
| 16:39.33 | vincenz | I would like to use my partitions as is |
| 16:39.37 | vincenz | so it won't delete my /home |
| 16:39.44 | nvz | abrotman: yeah you know, the office, where a man does his paperwork. |
| 16:39.53 | rking | vincenz: then skip that step |
| 16:39.54 | TBBle | rking: I'm not sure you understand what you're asking... You want a load balancer/reverse-proxy? |
| 16:40.02 | vincenz | rking: it complains about not finding /target |
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| 16:40.07 | jla | Dak: what print system? cups, lpr, <other?> It shouldn't need or ask for a password for a local printer |
| 16:40.11 | Cobain | when i try to mount my ntfs partition with captive it just freezes... i get the Captive NTFS v1.1.5 line but nothing else |
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| 16:40.28 | FieldySnuts | oh well, you're using closed drivers, ask whoever made those |
| 16:40.45 | petemc | Cobain: nothing in dmesg or messages? |
| 16:40.53 | Dak | I just have installed cups...how can I know which is my print system? |
| 16:41.05 | jla | Dak that would be it |
| 16:41.10 | rking | TBBle: well, it's not exactly a load balancer - all i really want is to be able to have a good server running on 21001, then bring up my new code on 21002, test it in the browser, etc., then when i'm ready issue a "HUP" or something to trigger the thing that really owns port 80 to start sending traffic to 21002. next time, the "staging" port will be 21001, and so forth |
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| 16:41.36 | jla | Dak: sorry, I've got to jet, the remote server didn't reboot :( (probably hung on that jfs module) |
| 16:41.46 | abrotman | nvz: in toronto? |
| 16:41.54 | Dak | ciao |
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| 16:41.55 | nvz | abrotman: in the bathroom you zoof |
| 16:41.58 | Cobain | petemc, same petemc from smokedot? |
| 16:42.04 | rking | TBBle: am i making any sense? my main goal is to make upgrades zero-downtime... if you have any suggestions, i'm completely open (this is mod_perl stuff, btw) |
| 16:42.05 | petemc | Cobain: yup :) |
| 16:42.08 | TBBle | rking: Oh. DNAT on the router with iptables? Just keep swapping the order of the rules in the table, I guess. |
| 16:42.10 | Cobain | ha what you been up to bro? |
| 16:42.27 | nvz | abrotman: by paperwork, I mean tp for my bungole, for I am the great cornholio |
| 16:42.36 | abrotman | !tp |
| 16:42.36 | dpkg | i guess tp is IBM ThinkPad, or Toilet Paper |
| 16:42.38 | TBBle | rking: I just /etc/init.d/apache2 restart and not worry about the couple of seconds of downtime, myself. |
| 16:42.40 | petemc | Cobain: chillin, spending time with my son, still smokin :) |
| 16:42.46 | petemc | Cobain: what about yourself? |
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| 16:43.15 | zoom | why would I be getting "No inittab file found" after using the 3.1 installer with an LVM setup / 2.6 kernel?? |
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| 16:43.32 | zoom | everything seemed to go fine with the installer |
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| 16:43.38 | Dak | when I write "cupsd" on my shell I return this error, what is this? cupsd: "Child exited with status 98!" |
| 16:43.42 | TBBle | zoom: Uhh... It's somehow not putting /etc where it needs to be? (The root partition) |
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| 16:44.02 | zoom | ah, so I can't have /etc as part of an LV |
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| 16:44.28 | TBBle | zoom: Nope. /lib, /bin /sbin /etc /dev /sys _need_ to be on /root. |
| 16:44.32 | rking | TBBle: well, what if for some reason you have code that doesn't compile (like forgetting to add a dependency/CPAN module)? then your downtime is several minutes or more. that's what i'm afraid of. besides, on this particular box, it's apache 1 with a non-DSO mod_perl, which sucks - HUP doesn't reload code |
| 16:44.34 | TBBle | Not /root. /. |
| 16:44.51 | zoom | TBBle: thx, I'll do it again.. :) |
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| 16:45.13 | scar_ | how do I install an extra hdd into my sarge system? (software - hardware is all good) |
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| 16:45.29 | Raf256 | scar_: just edit /etc/fstable |
| 16:45.32 | Raf256 | *fstable |
| 16:45.36 | sean_micken | lol |
| 16:45.37 | sean_micken | fstab |
| 16:45.43 | Raf256 | wtf??? |
| 16:45.47 | Raf256 | !smite me |
| 16:45.59 | Raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.08 | sean_micken | lol, somtimes your fingers just type type type away. |
| 16:46.14 | error403 | i know this technically isnt he place to ask, but someone here must have experience with this... Basically, i was wondering if there is a way to install Windows as a second OS, next to debian, without it ass-raping the MBR? |
| 16:46.15 | scar_ | yes, fstab reads all the configurations. but how do I partition and format it to ext3 ? |
| 16:46.15 | sean_micken | typing common words. |
| 16:46.16 | Raf256 | yeah ;) |
| 16:46.18 | TBBle | rking: You could do it on the one box, using REDIRECT from iptables. |
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| 16:46.42 | rking | TBBle: ok - i will look into that. thank you |
| 16:46.56 | vincenz | which kernel should I install? |
| 16:46.58 | vincenz | 2.6.8-2? |
| 16:47.02 | vincenz | or 2.4.27? |
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| 16:47.33 | TBBle | rking: No wuckers. I _think_ it's a bad idea to _delete_ the REDIRECT rule, because it may not un-NAT it on the return. So just change it so that only one redirect gets triggered. (I dunno if REDIRECT terminates rules or not) |
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| 16:47.42 | Raf256 | vincenz: desktop? go got 2.6.11 |
| 16:47.49 | vincenz | Raf256: not a choice |
| 16:47.50 | zoom | what would be a good size for a root partition which needs to include (/etc /bin /sbin /sys) ??? |
| 16:47.50 | bluefox83 | i'd go with a 2.6 kernel if i were you vincenz |
| 16:47.50 | TBBle | vincenz: 2.6.8-2. Bigger numbers mean more happiness. |
| 16:47.53 | vincenz | thx |
| 16:47.59 | Raf256 | then 2.6.8-2 |
| 16:48.08 | Raf256 | TBBle: not on a phone-bill |
| 16:48.17 | nvz | hmmf liz doesnt work today I guess.. I will have to call a local council member :P |
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| 16:48.30 | rking | TBBle: this seems like it would be a commonly-solved problem... I'd be highly surprised if there wasn't a package to do almost exactly this |
| 16:48.47 | TBBle | Raf256: And don't tell me about phone bills. GPRS is more expensive than you'd think. >_< |
| 16:49.02 | nvz | what is with mofos not answering the phone |
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| 16:49.07 | zoom | TBBle: what size should I make the root partition? 5G ?? (other partitions ie: /usr will be LVM) |
| 16:49.09 | TBBle | rking: Well, it's really two lines of iptables, and a script that changes things slightly more. |
| 16:49.20 | nvz | gawd.. the reason the borough pays for these idiots to have nextel phones is so I can bother them |
| 16:49.37 | rking | TBBle: ok - i'll take that plunge (so far i've avoided all iptables/routing stuff, pretty much) |
| 16:49.47 | Pryon | zoom: if /usr and /var aren't there, 5GB is *way* too big |
| 16:49.50 | TBBle | zoom: If you've got /tmp, /var and /usr elsewhere, the root partition could be as small as a couple of hundred MB, I guess. |
| 16:49.54 | nvz | I need a nextel phone, so I can just beep-beep them |
| 16:49.59 | sayadune | bye |
| 16:50.02 | xoz | zoom: 500mb to 1G |
| 16:50.10 | zoom | okay.. thx guys |
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| 16:50.55 | concept10 | *beeps |
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| 16:51.45 | jczajkowski | ok, I have a quick question. I'm trying to make an initrd.img. The files I want to use to build it are /boot/System.map-2.6.10-7405, /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-7405 and /lib/modules/2.6.10-7405. If I use mkinitrd -k vmlinuz-2.6.10-7405 -i /lib/modules/2.6.10-7405 initrd-2.6.10-7405, It tells me it can't open /lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.dep.temp for writing. Why is it looking in /lib/modules/2.6.10 when I told it to use /lib/modules/ |
| 16:51.45 | jczajkowski | 2.6.10-7405? |
| 16:51.49 | TBBle | Give the marching band shovels? |
| 16:51.53 | nvz | heh |
| 16:52.21 | vincenz | should I go for manual package selection? |
| 16:52.31 | nvz | well the one landslide directly in the way of the parade path is just a building falling down that hasnt fallen yet.. but the road is still closed off with cement barriers right in the middle of town |
| 16:53.03 | TBBle | vincenz: That depends entirely on what you want to install, how far you trust aptitude and/or tasksel to read your mind and provide sensible answers etc. |
| 16:53.04 | nvz | I need to go find the police, constable, council member, street dept.. someone to annoy... if I had a nextel phone they would all be a beep away |
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| 16:53.40 | xoz | jczajkowski: what is -i ? |
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| 16:54.27 | TBBle | nvz: Naked jackhammering on the road in front of town hall? They'll all be there lickety-split... |
| 16:54.42 | abli | Hi! anyone know a fast program to detect duplicate files? |
| 16:54.47 | xoz | jczajkowski: there is no -i option in mkinitrd |
| 16:55.11 | jczajkowski | --include <module>, -i <module> |
| 16:55.18 | vhuren | can someone tell me how to change my date and time settings? like I want it changed from CDT to EST |
| 16:55.27 | TBBle | Can't you just do mkinitrd 2.6.10-7405 and have it work out all those filesnames by itself? |
| 16:55.27 | xoz | vhuren: fdupes |
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| 16:55.37 | Dreezard | hi everyone |
| 16:56.00 | vhuren | vhuren pts/3 cpe0080c6f87d49- 24Jun05 0.00s 0.11s 0.01s w |
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| 16:56.18 | jczajkowski | I must have a weird mkinit because all the reading I've done on the net says to use -o option, but mine doesn't have that |
| 16:56.19 | vhuren | what does the 24Jun05 mean? |
| 16:56.21 | jczajkowski | hahaha |
| 16:56.36 | vhuren | when I initially logged in? |
| 16:56.53 | xoz | jczajkowski: are you in sid? |
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| 16:57.21 | TBBle | What does mkinitrd -h say? |
| 16:57.22 | Raf256 | jczajkowski: do you belive in sith? |
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| 16:58.41 | jczajkowski | actually I just realized I'm in the wrong room. I'm using Linspire 5.0. I meant to go to the #linuxhelp room |
| 16:58.55 | Pryon | !room |
| 16:58.56 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 16:59.13 | jczajkowski | oops, sorry, channel |
| 16:59.31 | jczajkowski | I'm a newbie to IRC |
| 16:59.48 | shingouz | jczajkowski: just remove the linspire and instal debian on the box :p |
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| 17:00.08 | Pryon | jczajkowski: newbyism isn't a crime as long as you evolve :-) |
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| 17:00.33 | shingouz | jczajkowski: and most n00bs do evolve |
| 17:00.37 | jczajkowski | yeah, that's probably what I ought to do. I think Linspire is derived from Debian right? |
| 17:00.51 | foobus | !based on |
| 17:00.58 | foobus | poop |
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| 17:01.09 | jczajkowski | yeah, I'm not a complete n00b, but I'm not near guru status yet |
| 17:01.33 | syntrx | IRC kinda proves Darwin was right. |
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| 17:01.43 | PerfDave | !linspire |
| 17:01.43 | dpkg | somebody said linspire was a "newbie-friendly" proprietary distribution with some Debian roots, giving KDE and a restricted selection of old packages for $100. it does NOT run windows applications, nor run anyone or anything as root (try Ark Linux for run-as-root) |
| 17:02.25 | Raf256 | speaking of |
| 17:02.34 | Raf256 | I can take debian, record it on CD and sell the CD's etc? |
| 17:02.41 | syntrx | Yep. |
| 17:02.42 | streuner | !tell HarleyG about away |
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| 17:02.42 | Raf256 | or remaster CD to have some nice programs etc |
| 17:02.50 | jczajkowski | I was able to run everything as root. I just created a regular account yesterday |
| 17:02.54 | error403 | if you can find people stupid enough to buy them? |
| 17:03.10 | syntrx | There's a sucker born every minute. |
| 17:03.10 | gnarf | how can i tell if the printer (deskjet 640c) uses / is controled in say epp-mode? |
| 17:03.14 | Raf256 | error403: no proble, I live in poland. I might consider shipping to USA as well |
| 17:03.17 | HarleyG | okok |
| 17:03.19 | HarleyG | god im sorry |
| 17:03.21 | xoz | Raf256: you can start selling it to your family :) |
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| 17:03.28 | PerfDave | Raf256: The CDs already have nice programs on ;) |
| 17:03.43 | PerfDave | I got bought a Debian DVD from somewhere that donates 50% of profits to SPI. |
| 17:03.49 | Raf256 | PerfDave: btw, I was thinking of selling some _my_ programs as debian based livecd |
| 17:03.52 | syntrx | Anyway, I used to sell CDs to people I know who were stuck on dialup (not for very much, like $10) |
| 17:04.00 | xoz | Raf256: you gonna compete with ubuntu which gives cd for free |
| 17:04.15 | Raf256 | xoz: its all about marketinh |
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| 17:04.35 | Raf256 | xoz: peoples are paying like 5000 USD for windoze + commarcial, while there is debian |
| 17:04.40 | xoz | Raf256: heh, the next bill gates |
| 17:04.44 | Raf256 | * + commercial soft |
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| 17:05.02 | FieldySnuts | commercialism is a disease |
| 17:05.07 | Raf256 | FieldySnuts: no |
| 17:05.09 | PerfDave | Raf256: Your commercial software is worth 5,000USD? :) |
| 17:05.09 | FieldySnuts | keep it to yourself |
| 17:05.12 | Raf256 | FieldySnuts: USA commercialism is |
| 17:05.20 | jczajkowski | so what arguments should I pass to mkinitrd to get a new initrd? |
| 17:05.28 | Raf256 | PerfDave: mine..? i would rate it at 3 USD/copy so far :) |
| 17:05.43 | TBBle | mkinitrd <version> -o /boot/initrd.img-<version> I would think. |
| 17:05.48 | xoz | jczajkowski: man mkinitrd.. mkinitrd -o <image> <kernel-version> |
| 17:05.55 | PerfDave | There's nothing to stop people packaging non-free software on Debian-based CDs (provided it isn't compiled against the kernel or other GPL'd sources) |
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| 17:06.07 | jim | perfdave: not all sata controllers are supported by the stable installer... but there are installers in experimental (or which are experimental) which are based on 2.6.11 |
| 17:06.19 | jim | and that covers more of the field |
| 17:06.30 | jczajkowski | ok,thanks |
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| 17:07.26 | PerfDave | jim: Ick, manual kernel patching. |
| 17:08.00 | jim | well whatever. the -salient- point is it might work for people. |
| 17:08.09 | xoz | if my program is linked or depends on a GPLd library, i have to GPL my prog also? |
| 17:08.23 | PerfDave | xoz: http://www.gnu.org/ |
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| 17:08.27 | jim | xoz: yes. |
| 17:08.33 | jim | read the gpl |
| 17:08.35 | PerfDave | jim: The salient point is to buy hardware that your OS of choice supports ;) |
| 17:08.40 | defcon8 | what package is the message-notification for gaim in? |
| 17:08.54 | thingfish | Raf256: hehe you troublemaker. |
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| 17:09.06 | xoz | so that's why bill gates consider gpl as a cancer |
| 17:09.18 | jim | PerfDave: so since someone might not have, that's reason to (say) tell him "too bad for you" |
| 17:09.26 | Raf256 | thingfish: me O_o ? |
| 17:09.30 | PerfDave | jim: Yeah, pretty much :) |
| 17:09.30 | thingfish | hehe |
| 17:09.31 | FieldySnuts | not our fault they didn't do research |
| 17:09.52 | jim | PerfDave: EVEN THOUGH A SOLUTION MIGHT BE AVAILABLE?? |
| 17:09.53 | FieldySnuts | stop blaming others or things external |
| 17:10.05 | jim | you're an idiot |
| 17:10.07 | anderson_ | como configurar o nis |
| 17:10.15 | Raf256 | !idiot jim |
| 17:10.17 | srtu | hi, doessomebody know the cmd to start samba server? |
| 17:10.22 | Raf256 | hmm |
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| 17:10.38 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: trolled |
| 17:10.49 | error403 | i know this technically isnt he place to ask, but someone here must have experience with this... Basically, i was wondering if there is a way to install Windows as a second OS, next to debian, without it ass-raping the MBR? |
| 17:10.49 | PerfDave | jim: Installing experimental kernels is not a solution to someone wanting a proper Debian stable install. |
| 17:10.50 | shingouz | srtu: check in /etc/init.d |
| 17:10.52 | foobus | xoz, it's because GPL software is resistant to stealing. |
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| 17:11.00 | Raf256 | !repeat error403 |
| 17:11.08 | vincenz | What should I choose for X server driver? |
| 17:11.08 | Raf256 | !smite dpkg |
| 17:11.13 | jim | PerfDave: maybe what they want is to install debian |
| 17:11.18 | error403 | erm.... did someone answer it the first time?? |
| 17:11.25 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: heh, you really got him going, nice |
| 17:11.26 | PerfDave | jim: Then they should have the clue to do it ;) |
| 17:11.55 | Pryon | vincenz: 'XFree86 -configure' will probably be able to figure out which driver to use |
| 17:11.56 | PerfDave | vincenz: What graphics card do you have? |
| 17:11.57 | jim | why? the images are available, and this is a particularly difficult area to deal with |
| 17:12.06 | vincenz | PerfDave: geforce 2 mx200 |
| 17:12.13 | PerfDave | vincenz: nvidia |
| 17:12.16 | FieldySnuts | how is it difficult. you have a clue about your hardware and a clue on how to use google to find out if it's supported. the end. |
| 17:12.19 | vincenz | oki, thx |
| 17:12.24 | FieldySnuts | if you don't have a clue maybe you should use a handhold os. |
| 17:12.27 | thingfish | error403: the place you would probably have to look for answers or tips or methods would be MS's knowledge base. |
| 17:12.41 | vincenz | PerfDave: nvidia is not an option |
| 17:12.43 | thingfish | but not here |
| 17:12.50 | PerfDave | vincenz: Are you running Debian? |
| 17:12.53 | error403 | thingfish, like MS are going to help you use another OS as your main OS? |
| 17:12.56 | vincenz | I'm installing debian |
| 17:12.58 | exobyte | FieldySnuts: is gentoo a hand holding os? |
| 17:13.04 | FieldySnuts | exobyte: definately not |
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| 17:13.06 | PerfDave | vincenz: What options do you have? |
| 17:13.08 | foobus | FieldySnuts, lots of oems are putting differing chips in their stuff w/out changing the model. |
| 17:13.08 | exobyte | bah |
| 17:13.12 | vincenz | oy, a bunch... |
| 17:13.18 | error403 | thingfish, in my experience, MS's approach is "Give us your PC, we will sort it all out for you" |
| 17:13.21 | defcon8 | what package is the message-notification for gaim in? |
| 17:13.21 | PerfDave | jim: But there are no images which give a stable Debian install. If you want to run non-stable Debian, you should be clueful enough to know how to deal with unsupported hardware. |
| 17:13.23 | vincenz | it defaulted to vesa |
| 17:13.26 | vincenz | there's also an nv |
| 17:13.27 | FieldySnuts | foobus: shit happens |
| 17:13.29 | xoz | foobus: unlike bsd license? but the latest opinion of the cathedral and bazaar author favors bsd licensing than gnu...yeah eric raymund |
| 17:13.34 | Spec | xoz, read the LGPL too |
| 17:13.40 | PerfDave | vincenz: Ah, nv is the one you want then. I was getting nv and nvidia the wrong way round. |
| 17:13.45 | Spec | xoz, it's less restrictive for use with libraries |
| 17:13.45 | Skaag | i've installed hybrid ircd, and i've allowed 1024 users in the ircd.conf file but it maxes out at 500 exactly... |
| 17:13.54 | foobus | I had to pry off the shielding from a linksys wireless card to see the chips |
| 17:13.58 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: you and jim are examples of differing viewpoints. you say the user should have a clue, he thinks the OS/distro should have it for him. frankly i' with you. |
| 17:13.58 | PerfDave | xoz: But Eric Raymond has had nothing to do with Free Software, which is what the GPL is all about. |
| 17:14.00 | vincenz | thx |
| 17:14.11 | FieldySnuts | don't buy shitty hardware then (linksys is that) |
| 17:14.31 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: I don't think people should go installing non-stable Debian if they don't have a clue. I think Debian stable should do the handholding. |
| 17:14.39 | FieldySnuts | seems a lot of folks find a reason for A not working or B can't work or blah blah |
| 17:14.46 | paulswm | Good Lord, *another* license discussion |
| 17:14.52 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: where |
| 17:14.54 | foobus | linksys == cisco, now? |
| 17:14.56 | xoz | PerfDave: so, eric in a way is anti-gpl... that's why opensource is basically not a true gpl in spirit |
| 17:14.59 | FieldySnuts | oh |
| 17:15.01 | FieldySnuts | ~troll xoz |
| 17:15.01 | apt | ACTION hereby declares xoz a troll |
| 17:15.04 | jim | FieldySnuts: no, my point is this: if an installer exists that does support the hardware, it could be tried, and might have no problems whatsoever after that |
| 17:15.14 | PerfDave | xoz: Open Source and Free Software are two different concepts. |
| 17:15.22 | xoz | paulswm: what's your problem. lack attention? heh |
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| 17:15.32 | PerfDave | paulswm: Don't you have to use ndiswrapper and the Windows driver to get it to work? |
| 17:15.38 | FieldySnuts | xoz: you're the one starting a license flame. |
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| 17:15.50 | paulswm | PerfDave: Yes, I use ndiswrapper, not exactly hard to set up |
| 17:15.54 | FieldySnuts | if you don't like a license, don't use it or the software which does use it. end of story. |
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| 17:16.02 | PerfDave | paulswm: Yeah, that's not "works fine" IMNSHO ;) |
| 17:16.07 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 17:16.16 | xoz | FieldySnuts: arg, it was a flame? anyway, i will stick to gpl |
| 17:16.25 | FieldySnuts | stuff is going back to the store if I find out i need to use that |
| 17:17.03 | paulswm | PerfDave: Well, it works fine. I get 125MB/s becuase of the Linksys speedbooster technoloy, I'd rather spend 15 minutes setting up ndiswrapper than be stuck with some crappy "supported" card at 54Mbps :) |
| 17:17.04 | foobus | the idea that the FCC prevents you from altering the firmware of a radio device because you could interfere with someone watching "Friends" is stupid |
| 17:17.20 | FieldySnuts | indeed. and because of that i refuse to use wireless cards because of their drivers |
| 17:17.31 | PerfDave | paulswm: I'd rather give my money to people who support my OS of choice. YMODV :) |
| 17:17.32 | FieldySnuts | upload closed firmware each time? you can have that |
| 17:17.43 | foobus | that that is the justification for removing access to the firmware driver source sounds nanny-statish. |
| 17:18.01 | jim | I don't particularly care what debian thinks is not stable if upstream claims it will work, and if there are no serious problem reports. having said that, I would warn a person that using such an image isn't supported, other than by existing documentation, and that they may be taking a risk in installing using that |
| 17:18.21 | paulswm | PerfDave: Well there you are then. I have to use both. Anyway, the card is in Nancy's laptop and she's an XP user, so the priority is XP on that box. |
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| 17:18.50 | jim | but it might be their only choice for installing debian, and if that's what they want to do, I don't understand why you would block them from doing so when there exists a way to do it |
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| 17:19.32 | PerfDave | jim: I don't want to see people installing non-stable versions of Debian, fucking their systems up, blaming the distro and going off in a huff. |
| 17:19.44 | FieldySnuts | ~smite default BitchX quit reasons |
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| 17:20.01 | jim | ok, cool. now that's reasonable. |
| 17:20.02 | PerfDave | jim: It's something that we see all too often on #debian, I'm not going to be a part of it. If you want to install Debian, make sure you've got properly supported hardware. |
| 17:20.23 | paulswm | jim: I think that what you say is true for individual packages, but the wrning is that the distro itself is unstable, and dependencies may break, so it's not a package thing but the broader distro. |
| 17:20.29 | FieldySnuts | and if you need ndiswrapper or closed drivers, that's not "properly supported" |
| 17:20.50 | paulswm | Well, ndiswrapper looks to me like proper support |
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| 17:20.59 | FieldySnuts | you're a nutter |
| 17:21.03 | jim | FieldySnuts: no question about that part |
| 17:21.07 | PerfDave | paulswm: Writing Windows drivers is *not* supporting Linux ;) |
| 17:21.11 | paulswm | In the same way as wine is support for windows binaries |
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| 17:21.31 | jim | but I'm talking about sata rather than the net thing |
| 17:21.34 | foobus | paulswm, you are relinquishing access to your computer by accepting untrusted binaries |
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| 17:21.54 | paulswm | foobus: I'm not accepting untrusted binaries. |
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| 17:22.10 | jim | my original reason for starting this thing is perfdave claimed stable supports sata, and that's not quite true |
| 17:22.12 | FieldySnuts | all binaries are untrusted, unless you compiled it |
| 17:22.13 | foobus | you can't sandbox it off (your firmware) because it resides in the kernel |
| 17:22.32 | Hackel | Is there a way to bind a daeomn like bind to a particular interface/ip address so that requests from it (such as slave dns transfers) appear to come from a specific (non-primary) IP? |
| 17:22.34 | PerfDave | By supporting ndiswrapper, you're also stopping people improving your drivers for you. |
| 17:22.43 | caphuso | firmware doesn't run in the kernel |
| 17:22.54 | Skaag | Hackel: it's software specific |
| 17:22.57 | foobus | FieldySnuts, there is a chain of responsibility though, if you are using a key to check signatures. |
| 17:22.59 | PerfDave | Hackel: You should be able to specify an interface for most daemons to bind to. |
| 17:23.01 | jim | it supports some sata, yes... my counterpoint is only that installers based on 2.6.11 support more of them |
| 17:23.18 | xoz | FieldySnuts: even if you compiled it, think about the complexity of analyzing the source code or auditing it |
| 17:23.21 | Hackel | Skaag: So if bind 9 doesn't have that option (which I've had no luck in finding), I'm out of luck? |
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| 17:23.34 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 17:23.44 | TBBle | Hackel: Well, does the listen-on configuration directive help any? |
| 17:23.44 | Skaag | I would think that Bind, out of all daemons, would have this option |
| 17:23.47 | PerfDave | jim: Yes, and then you're getting people to install kernels which are unstable and don't have security updates. |
| 17:23.52 | FieldySnuts | why? it's from ISC. |
| 17:24.13 | paulswm | I'm not going to argue any more. I exercise the freedom to set up and run my systems the way I wish. Unfortunately, sdome people are more interested in making others conform to their narrow minded philosophy, and there's no point in arguing with suich bigots. |
| 17:24.14 | quittt | when I boot I receive a message |
| 17:24.19 | quittt | filesystem is NOT clean |
| 17:24.19 | jim | 2.6.11 is unstable? |
| 17:24.36 | foobus | oh brother |
| 17:24.37 | paulswm | jim: the source is in unstalbe, the binaries are in etch though |
| 17:24.43 | amphi | jim: not too bad here ;) |
| 17:24.48 | FieldySnuts | forcing binary drivers and then not developing open source ones, that's bigotry. |
| 17:24.54 | PerfDave | jim: It's not in stable. It also seems to have given a lot of people a lot of hassle. |
| 17:25.00 | FieldySnuts | hence, using binary drivers is bigotry. |
| 17:25.01 | TBBle | jim: 2.6.11 is _in_ unstable. It's a Debian archive issue, not a stability of kernel issue. |
| 17:25.03 | quittt | what means filesystem is not clear |
| 17:25.05 | Hackel | TBBle: That's a bind directive? I couldn't find anything like that... |
| 17:25.09 | foobus | ad hominem's are a big white flag. attack the argument. |
| 17:25.14 | quittt | and which filesystem of which partition is not clean |
| 17:25.24 | PerfDave | !tell quittt -about enter |
| 17:25.46 | TBBle | Hackel: I dunno if it's a bind, but I presume if you use it, it will only bind to the appropriate sockets. I dunno if that lets you control which of those is used to send from though. I recently read that linux's source-selection sucks in IPv6, and it may be true for IPv4 too... |
| 17:25.47 | PerfDave | 2.6.7 is the One True 2.6 Kernel ;) |
| 17:25.58 | paulswm | I've had no issues with 2.6.11 on several boxes, both etch binaries and building from source, except that I still can't get alsa sound to work on one box with anything higher than 2.6.8 |
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| 17:26.11 | TBBle | Hackel: Oh, wait. Yes, tha tis a directive in BIND. At least BIND9, but I presume BIND8 too. |
| 17:26.13 | jim | PerfDave: and that's what I'm running... built it myself |
| 17:26.16 | quittt | PerfDave, I have this problem too |
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| 17:27.17 | jim | TBBle: that would tend to support my point, that given existance of an installer that booted and installed 2.6.11, it could help people install debian |
| 17:27.17 | Hackel | TBBle: Thank you, I'll see if that helps. |
| 17:27.35 | PerfDave | jim: But not Debian 3.1 |
| 17:27.46 | jim | sure it is |
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| 17:27.49 | PerfDave | jim: They'd have a system with critical components lacking security updates or support. |
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| 17:28.02 | PerfDave | jim: If you have a Debian system with a 2.6.11 kernel, it is *not* a Debian 3.1 system. |
| 17:28.09 | jim | sure it is |
| 17:28.14 | TBBle | jim: I believe the Debian installer, even in unstable, is still on 2.6.8... Changing kernel version in the debian installer is a major timesink. |
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| 17:28.35 | jim | TBBle: yes, it is, and that's another part of my point |
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| 17:28.58 | ricky_clarkson | Is ftp.us.debian.org borked? |
| 17:29.00 | jim | we had to chase people -away- because we were not prepared. |
| 17:29.04 | PerfDave | jim: No it isn't. It's a hybrid of stable and testing, or stable and unstbale. |
| 17:29.04 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, wait.. |
| 17:29.13 | FieldySnuts | THEY were not prepared. |
| 17:29.24 | jim | FieldySnuts: nor were we. |
| 17:29.27 | PerfDave | jim: You are telling people to install something which could get them r00ted. That's not a good thing. |
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| 17:29.31 | FieldySnuts | okay i'll go with that |
| 17:29.37 | ricky_clarkson | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/../project/experimental/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Connection failed [IP: 204.152.191.39 80] |
| 17:29.45 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: sure it is. he can provide free support, and give them his home number. |
| 17:29.45 | ricky_clarkson | What am I doing wrong then? |
| 17:29.47 | TBBle | jim: I may be missing your point... Your point is that debian-installer is hard to change kernels of? |
| 17:30.14 | jim | TBBle: and because of that, people made debian installer images with 2.6.11 |
| 17:30.18 | PerfDave | The point is that there were a hell of a lot of upstream kernel stability issues which stopped later kernel revisions being included in the Sarge release. |
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| 17:30.36 | jim | in order to try to support more hardware |
| 17:30.40 | error403 | I will never EVER complain about a #debian channel being hostile again... I just ended up in #windows on EFnet >.< |
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| 17:31.04 | FieldySnuts | efnet is hostile by default |
| 17:31.05 | PerfDave | jim: But not Debian 3.1 installer images, because they don't install Debian 3.1 :) |
| 17:31.07 | amphi | error403: heh |
| 17:31.08 | jim | error403: why? were they more hostile or something? :) |
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| 17:31.21 | error403 | jim, hell yeah |
| 17:31.21 | xoz | PerfDave: i thought they froze the kernel because of sarge release, not the other way around. |
| 17:31.34 | tarzeau | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/ hm? |
| 17:31.44 | jim | PerfDave: I'd be curious to know of a list of the issues up to the point of release |
| 17:31.55 | error403 | jim, its incredible... they know nothing, and try and feed you some bullshit that they know more than you, and if you disagree, they ban you |
| 17:31.58 | paulswm | error403: So you're saying that someone else is more hstile than us? Well fuck you and the horse you rode in on. |
| 17:31.59 | paulswm | :P |
| 17:32.03 | error403 | haha |
| 17:32.06 | amphi | error403: what a relief ;) |
| 17:32.07 | error403 | actually |
| 17:32.15 | jim | phone call |
| 17:32.18 | error403 | i find THIS #debian channel quite friendly |
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| 17:32.24 | ricky_clarkson | Cone fall |
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| 17:32.28 | error403 | lol |
| 17:32.28 | xoz | PerfDave: well, debian has its own set of patches... so for a stable release, they need a kernel that has undergone maturation |
| 17:32.30 | foobus | :) |
| 17:32.35 | tarzeau | error403: you've ever been one on anoter network? |
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| 17:32.46 | TBBle | Actually, a debian-installer with a newer kernel could still quite happily install Debian 3.1. The installed system would have a 2.6.8 kernel though, and prolly wouldn't boot if you needed 2.6.11 for hardware support. |
| 17:32.49 | lex_ | Anyone remembers the command to split a large text files into many small ones? |
| 17:32.49 | PerfDave | jim: The debian-devel archives are over on http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 17:32.56 | Seb | how do I build a package from source, without stripping he debugging symbols ? |
| 17:32.57 | PerfDave | lex_: split |
| 17:32.57 | paulswm | Try saying that you are happy using ndiswrapper and it gets a bit hostile. |
| 17:32.58 | error403 | tarzeau, all the others seems smaller, but i HAVE been on other linux channels in this network... |
| 17:32.59 | Seb | the |
| 17:33.07 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: as it should |
| 17:33.07 | error403 | like #fedore |
| 17:33.09 | lex_ | duh |
| 17:33.12 | paulswm | See? |
| 17:33.15 | error403 | *#fedora |
| 17:33.16 | jim | Seb: first apt-get source <packagename> |
| 17:33.17 | error403 | like |
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| 17:33.20 | tarzeau | error403: i agree, this place here is very friendly (to any sex) |
| 17:33.24 | yuggly | I need help getting my touchpad to work |
| 17:33.25 | Seb | jim: got that far ;) |
| 17:33.31 | FieldySnuts | i don't understand. you use debian yet you go and use closed drivers. talk about opposites. |
| 17:33.32 | error403 | everything is "RTFM, goodbye" |
| 17:33.35 | tarzeau | error403: #suse has some friendly dudes too |
| 17:33.41 | TBBle | Seb: Look up DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS I think. Something like DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip I think. |
| 17:33.43 | error403 | yeah, some channels do |
| 17:33.45 | tarzeau | error403: ever tried #freebsd ? |
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| 17:33.47 | error403 | but others dont... |
| 17:33.47 | PerfDave | paulswm: No, you can be happy using ndiswrapper. Claiming that a manufacturer releasing Windows drivers which work with ndiswrapper is the same as the manufacturer supporting Linux, that might get people to disagree with you. |
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| 17:34.04 | Seb | TBBle: can I pass that in my env and dpkg-buildpackge will see it ? |
| 17:34.04 | error403 | tarzeau, i havent got round to actually trying FreeBSD the OS yet... |
| 17:34.05 | jim | then find the place where it strips it (might be a dh_something call) in debian/rules |
| 17:34.10 | jim | and try commenting it out |
| 17:34.12 | jim | build the package |
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| 17:34.14 | jim | install it |
| 17:34.15 | FieldySnuts | error403: you should :) |
| 17:34.19 | PerfDave | xoz: Exactly. Upstream kernels weren't stable enough to be included in Debian before Sarge froze. |
| 17:34.25 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: I use Linux becuase I am a *nix professional, it being free is a wonderful but secondary thing. I used Xenix previously. |
| 17:34.26 | jim | test: file <a binary> |
| 17:34.29 | jim | also |
| 17:34.36 | TBBle | Seb: Actually, the rules file sees it, if it supports it. I think it has to support it by the policy in Sarge, so it seems likely to be supported, but check debian/rules to be sure. |
| 17:34.48 | FieldySnuts | ah so money being more important than freedom. i understand. |
| 17:34.52 | caspercba | does somebody know why amsn is so unstable on sarge? |
| 17:34.53 | Seb | TBBle: k thanks |
| 17:35.06 | jim | before you build, you'd have to add -g to gcc invocations somehow (depends on build system) |
| 17:35.06 | error403 | i use linux because it is 10 times more stable than windows, in my experience, and when it does go wrong, it doesnt take the rest down with it... |
| 17:35.09 | Seb | jim: ok i'll fall back to that if the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip doesn't work |
| 17:35.10 | Eulex | caspercba, check tge bts |
| 17:35.17 | TBBle | Seb: Actually, check the manual for dh_strip as well. It recognises the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS flag, I think. |
| 17:35.22 | Eulex | *the |
| 17:35.23 | amphi | Seb: |
| 17:35.28 | jim | Seb: that work for any package? |
| 17:35.28 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, I'm confused as to the state of jackd. |
| 17:35.30 | TBBle | Seb: So it may not be mentioned in debian/rules. ^_^ |
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| 17:35.34 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: That is silly. I'll leave you guys to it. |
| 17:35.36 | xoz | PerfDave: i don't think it is upstream issue. debian stabilizes its own kernel thru its own process... |
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| 17:35.39 | caspercba | Eulex: sorry i can't get it |
| 17:35.43 | Seb | jim: TBBle says the policy mandates it, yeah |
| 17:35.47 | Seb | TBBle: it is |
| 17:35.51 | ricky_clarkson | !jack |
| 17:35.51 | dpkg | [jack] http://jackit.sf.net/, or http://www.home.unix-ag.org/arne/jack/, or a low latency audio server, or a colloquialism for a person who doesn't care about anything.... |
| 17:35.54 | ricky_clarkson | !jackd |
| 17:35.55 | Eulex | !tell caspercba about bts |
| 17:36.05 | TBBle | jim: Any package compliant with the relevant policy revision, yes. |
| 17:36.12 | PerfDave | xoz: Yes, but if the upstream kernel had not had issues, it would have gotten into unstable quicker and been in testing before the freeze ;) |
| 17:36.15 | xerophyte | i had raid 5 with xfs filesystem i am not able to mount my raid when i try xfs_repair i am getting this error .. found candidate secondary superblock... unable to verify superblock, continuing how can i mount the drive and get the data ? |
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| 17:36.51 | jim | can you also say "add -g" by doing something whose support is mandated by policy? |
| 17:37.04 | xoz | PerfDave: yeah, that would be the implication. |
| 17:37.06 | lxuser_ | i bet bill gates was at live8 reassuring the mu$ics they wont go into poverty any time soon !!!! |
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| 17:37.19 | ricky_clarkson | Bill who? |
| 17:37.27 | FieldySnuts | alll righty then |
| 17:37.36 | x-cite | hi all |
| 17:37.43 | tarzeau | at least it wasn't GNAA |
| 17:37.44 | jim | time for a +q :) |
| 17:37.47 | ricky_clarkson | Live8spam? |
| 17:37.55 | ricky_clarkson | Is your name Bob? ;) |
| 17:37.57 | FieldySnuts | heh thought you couldn't say that term in here without being banned or worse |
| 17:38.02 | foobus | spams a good word... |
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| 17:38.31 | TBBle | jim: Yeah. DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=debug, although many packages do it by default and rely on the stripping to remove it if needed. |
| 17:38.43 | TBBle | jim: Hence DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug,nostrip" |
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| 17:40.52 | ricky_clarkson | Oi, channel demigods, give me my voice back! |
| 17:40.53 | FieldySnuts | suggestion: +b jojo?????!*@* |
| 17:40.57 | tarzeau | XyUc |
| 17:41.00 | OUTsider | stupid kids with no live |
| 17:41.05 | tarzeau | OUTsider: life |
| 17:41.06 | deadfizh | i love polish people. |
| 17:41.06 | jim | tst |
| 17:41.07 | Eulex | I guess that means a few bans :) |
| 17:41.10 | deadfizh | <3 |
| 17:41.11 | jim | therewego |
| 17:41.17 | ricky_clarkson | Stupid kids with 4-key keyboards! |
| 17:41.17 | Fleck | ;p |
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| 17:41.24 | zoom | how do I search for a package with apt-get? |
| 17:41.24 | jim | they got klined |
| 17:41.30 | tarzeau | zoom: apt-cache search pkg |
| 17:41.31 | OUTsider | FieldySnuts: works for the current floods, but still useless |
| 17:41.34 | zoom | thx |
| 17:41.36 | ricky_clarkson | zoom: You don't. You use apt-cache. |
| 17:41.39 | jim | or go to packages.debian.org |
| 17:41.46 | xoz | PerfDave: though if you have faith with the upstream, you can pull the upstream source and compile it skipping debian's kernel stabilization. both are basically independent when it comes to stabilization which creates redundancy of effort. an unavoidable waste of efforts. |
| 17:41.49 | OUTsider | FieldySnuts: if the owner is in this room, he will simply make their nick change on next load |
| 17:42.04 | FieldySnuts | most kiddies aren't that intelligent |
| 17:42.10 | shingouz | OUTsider: channel |
| 17:42.17 | caphuso | the gnaa moron is in here |
| 17:42.28 | Eulex | hehe |
| 17:42.30 | ricky_clarkson | Out of habit. |
| 17:42.38 | vincenz | where do I change my keyboard for xfree? It defaults to en_us even though during installation I told it belgian keyboard, and I would also like to increase the screensize |
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| 17:42.46 | caphuso | vincenz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:42.48 | lex_ | Yay... fsck the french... invade irak! |
| 17:42.49 | tarzeau | vincenz: forever or shortly? |
| 17:42.54 | tarzeau | vincenz: there's setxkbmap fr :) |
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| 17:43.03 | tarzeau | lex_: that's for #world-relations |
| 17:43.18 | vincenz | tarzeau: forever |
| 17:43.21 | ricky_clarkson | I invaded France but they didn't notice. |
| 17:43.29 | paster | "[G][N][A][A]" at 194.25.9.105 pasted "XyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXyUcXy" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/291 |
| 17:43.39 | PerfDave | Oh dear. |
| 17:43.40 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: haha |
| 17:43.42 | Eulex | bah |
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| 17:43.54 | shingouz | can't someone upgrade that ip to a doorstop :p |
| 17:43.56 | Raf256 | paster is gey \o/ |
| 17:43.59 | Raf256 | !smite paster |
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| 17:44.04 | sniker | hi, someone have experience with debian netinstall? |
| 17:44.15 | PerfDave | sniker: Lots of people do. Are you having trouble? |
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| 17:44.19 | tarzeau | sniker: sure |
| 17:44.27 | cuti | hey people, can i download 10 files at once with wget? |
| 17:44.29 | vincenz | tarzeau: forever? |
| 17:44.32 | tarzeau | cuti: sure |
| 17:44.35 | rikva | is it possible to tunnel ssh over ssh ? (don't ask why i want that) |
| 17:44.39 | cuti | tarzeau, how? |
| 17:44.42 | tarzeau | vincenz: i don't care, edit the right config file then |
| 17:44.42 | Raf256 | why dont you ban regexp G.?N.?A.?A.? ? |
| 17:44.43 | jim | sniker: you should just ask your question (didn't read the topic? :) |
| 17:44.50 | caphuso | oops |
| 17:44.54 | vincenz | tarzeau: |
| 17:44.55 | tarzeau | cuti: wget file & ; wget file2 & .. |
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| 17:44.57 | deadfizh | cuti, no of course not. what a crooked ass question is that? it's shareware, limited to download only 5 files. then you have to register. |
| 17:44.57 | vincenz | tarzeau: k, thx |
| 17:45.01 | error403 | rikva, why do you want that? |
| 17:45.04 | ricky_clarkson | Raf256: Someone might talk about going to Arizona. |
| 17:45.10 | rikva | error403: don't ask ;) |
| 17:45.14 | cuti | oh |
| 17:45.17 | ehaupt | cuti: for i in file1 file2 file3 ... ; do wget $i; done |
| 17:45.18 | cuti | thanks tarzeau :) |
| 17:45.19 | error403 | :P |
| 17:45.24 | ricky_clarkson | Raf256: .. in capitals. ;) |
| 17:45.31 | Raf256 | ricky_clarkson: ;) |
| 17:45.32 | cuti | nice ehaupt :) |
| 17:45.32 | PerfDave | cuti: Do you want to download 10 simultaneously or 10 sequentially? |
| 17:45.44 | jim | sniker: ask your question,,, ask on the channel |
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| 17:46.15 | xoz | cuti: man wget |
| 17:46.23 | sniker | ok, i'm unable to install debian on an old pc. the network card is recognized, but it doesn't work... |
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| 17:46.40 | ricky_clarkson | Did you ops see the message from lilo wrt +J ? |
| 17:46.42 | leonel | hello I have a machine with debian and want to have the same packages on another is there a task or thing to do it? |
| 17:46.53 | jim | sniker: what about your drives? |
| 17:46.53 | OUTsider | join limiter |
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| 17:47.02 | FieldySnuts | it's already in use here |
| 17:47.05 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.06 | Ronin | childish flooding today? heh what about the rest of the tiem :) |
| 17:47.07 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: No it's not. |
| 17:47.14 | FieldySnuts | --- Channel #debian modes: +tncPLlfJ 788 #debian-overflow 25,10 |
| 17:47.16 | FieldySnuts | so anyway |
| 17:47.21 | ricky_clarkson | = 18:47:14 -!- mode/#debian [+tncPLlf 788 #debian-overflow] |
| 17:47.22 | Yokalosh | how do i go about using root to change permision on a file for exmple sources.list |
| 17:47.27 | Nwallins | default for mysql is to not skip-networking but to bind-address 127.0.0.1 (ie only listen to localhost). this means that port 3306 is open. is that really equivalent security-wise to closing port 3306? |
| 17:47.29 | FieldySnuts | user error |
| 17:47.38 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: How so? |
| 17:47.44 | joeytwiddle | Yokalosh, chgrp and chmod |
| 17:47.46 | FieldySnuts | you tell me |
| 17:47.47 | PerfDave | Nwallins: Against remote attacks, yes. |
| 17:47.56 | joeytwiddle | Yokalosh, and chown |
| 17:47.57 | Nwallins | PerfDave: ok, thanks |
| 17:48.09 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: Maybe a client difference, or a difference between servers. |
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| 17:48.21 | zOap | !d-no |
| 17:48.22 | dpkg | i guess d-no is Den norske debian kanalen #debian-no, for skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel for scandinavian users. #debian-no |
| 17:48.22 | ChanOP | hi |
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| 17:48.24 | FieldySnuts | could be, but you're using one or the other, so it's user error |
| 17:48.28 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate ricky_clarkson |
| 17:48.28 | apt | ricky_clarkson: wenas who uses cable lol |
| 17:48.30 | PerfDave | leonel: To install the same packages, use dpkg --get-selections on the existing machine, and dpkg --set-selections on the new one. Or look at replicator, and maybe cfengine |
| 17:48.32 | sniker | jim: the net-card is an 8139too |
| 17:48.36 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: i'm kidding :) |
| 17:48.36 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: I'd like to believe it was a pebkac on your part, for consistency, but it's unfortunately unlikely. |
| 17:48.39 | caspercba | !hello |
| 17:48.39 | dpkg | Hi, caspercba! |
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| 17:48.44 | ChanOP | how do i upgrade my woody version to sarge with apt ? |
| 17:48.48 | caspercba | !fuck |
| 17:48.48 | dpkg | i guess fuck is a wonderful, versatile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
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| 17:49.01 | caspercba | !shit |
| 17:49.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
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| 17:49.06 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 17:49.07 | leonel | PerfDave, thanks |
| 17:49.09 | adoroas | hy |
| 17:49.09 | caphuso | caspercba: do you want to get banned? |
| 17:49.17 | FieldySnuts | adoroas: hi? |
| 17:49.18 | deadfizh | !slap caspercba |
| 17:49.28 | adoroas | FieldySnuts, yeah.. ;-) |
| 17:49.29 | adoroas | hi |
| 17:49.38 | caspercba | sorry, dpkg is funny |
| 17:49.40 | FieldySnuts | hi. |
| 17:49.54 | jim | sniker: that should work ok... what about your HDs? |
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| 17:50.26 | PerfDave | ChanOP: Read the Debian 3.1 installation manual about upgrading from previous versions. |
| 17:50.33 | Yokalosh | deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main |
| 17:50.33 | Yokalosh | deb-src http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main |
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| 17:50.41 | Yokalosh | oops :S |
| 17:50.47 | Mozo | hi jim :) |
| 17:51.02 | cuti | tarzeau: can i add it all the links to a file for fast download? |
| 17:51.13 | punsad | ChanOP: you should upgrade using aptitude instead of apt (or so I have read) |
| 17:51.15 | cuti | so i dont have to copy and paste it every times |
| 17:51.20 | tarzeau | cuti: of course |
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| 17:51.27 | cuti | can ya show me the magic |
| 17:51.38 | tarzeau | cuti: cat file; while read a; do wget "$a" &; done |
| 17:51.40 | ricky_clarkson | cuti: You can put any bash command into a bash script, using an editor, or just echo. |
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| 17:52.07 | tarzeau | cuti: you could also just use links2 which has a great download manager |
| 17:52.23 | cuti | cool!!! |
| 17:52.25 | cuti | :) |
| 17:52.30 | Spec | cuti, cat file; xargs -n1 wget |
| 17:52.35 | sniker | jim: hard disks are seagate (quantum lps420a and st31276a) |
| 17:52.37 | cuti | awesome |
| 17:52.52 | Eulex | caspercba, if dpkg is funny, why dont you just /msg him/her? |
| 17:53.00 | Eulex | btw, is dpkg male or female? :) |
| 17:53.06 | Spec | it's a script |
| 17:53.09 | FieldySnuts | i think you can ask it "gender" |
| 17:53.17 | Eulex | hehe, ok |
| 17:53.19 | cuti | ha |
| 17:53.32 | FieldySnuts | apt: gender? |
| 17:53.32 | apt | I'm gay |
| 17:53.33 | ricky_clarkson | !what sex are you |
| 17:53.33 | punsad | yeah... so dpkg is not a living thing... so it wouldn't have gender, actually |
| 17:53.34 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: what are you talking about? |
| 17:53.56 | Eulex | !gender |
| 17:53.57 | dpkg | I'm gay |
| 17:54.05 | Eulex | punsad, I know :) |
| 17:54.08 | ricky_clarkson | punsad: Yeah? Well, never heard anyone talk about a boat as 'she'? |
| 17:54.10 | jim | that's not a gender :P |
| 17:54.13 | FieldySnuts | great, they both are, let's get them into a room |
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| 17:54.55 | FieldySnuts | apt: gender? |
| 17:54.56 | apt | I'm gay |
| 17:54.59 | FieldySnuts | bah |
| 17:55.04 | Eulex | !gender |
| 17:55.04 | dpkg | I'm not sure |
| 17:55.04 | ricky_clarkson | apt: ignore FieldySnuts |
| 17:55.05 | apt | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, FieldySnuts!" |
| 17:55.07 | Eulex | haha |
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| 17:55.26 | olorin_ | hello all ! i wonder ... is there any problem recently with the update in testing branch ? |
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| 17:55.35 | PerfDave | olorin_: Probably ;) |
| 17:55.46 | lex_ | If hes trully gnaa, i should enjoy those nice offensive blurbs they make.... they are funny as hell |
| 17:55.47 | TBBle | jim: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html Ooops, my bad. -g should be on by default. I was thinking of noopt (-O0) |
| 17:55.57 | FieldySnuts | lex_: who |
| 17:56.02 | olorin_ | PerfDave: lol, do you know the reason ? |
| 17:56.07 | Skaag | what's that line to build a debian source package? |
| 17:56.09 | ricky_clarkson | foobus: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/quotes/dpkg.txt |
| 17:56.12 | PerfDave | olorin_: Yes, because it's not stable ;) |
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| 17:56.20 | jim | TBBle: thanks :) |
| 17:56.21 | PerfDave | Skaag: apt-get install apt-howto |
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| 17:57.05 | FieldySnuts | the V-Joke |
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| 17:57.35 | olorin_ | PerfDave: eh ?... i mean, there is no update since 3 days ... i don't speak about some bug in the packages *-) |
| 17:57.48 | foobus | ricky_clarkson, that's rich. |
| 17:58.20 | jim | sniker: now about your net card... what exactly is not working? |
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| 17:59.15 | Eulex | olorin_, nope, there ain't any upgrades for 3 days |
| 17:59.22 | PerfDave | olorin_: Oh, I haven't noticed that :) |
| 17:59.34 | punsad | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.37 | tarzeau | damn. tetrinet-client works for anyone? (in screen in xterm)? if i press f1 or f2 it exits... |
| 17:59.48 | MaRQuiS^ | hello |
| 17:59.49 | sniker | jim: i'm unable to download packets from deb mirrors when i try to install with netinstall floppy... |
| 17:59.58 | Skaag | punsad: All I needed is this line: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
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| 18:00.11 | punsad | cool |
| 18:00.14 | Skaag | punsad: I just didn't remember it 2 minutes ago... |
| 18:00.19 | jim | sniker: any idea why? |
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| 18:01.03 | punsad | sniker: can you ping the mirrors? |
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| 18:01.14 | MaRQuiS^ | I have a problem with Webmin on a Debian 3.0 r4 . When I try to connect to it through a browser, https://ipadress:10000, It says; "Error - Acces denied". I have checked my hosts.deny, but my ip on this machine aint in it. Anyone that can help me please :) |
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| 18:01.24 | sniker | jim: not... |
| 18:01.33 | tarzeau | MaRQuiS^: and hosts.allow ? |
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| 18:01.49 | sniker | i'm unable to ping the gateway too... |
| 18:01.51 | Eulex | sniker, what nic have you got? does it find it? |
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| 18:02.00 | MaRQuiS^ | should my ipadress be in there sniker ? |
| 18:02.14 | foobus | if your policy default demands it |
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| 18:02.21 | sniker | realtek 8139too |
| 18:02.23 | jim | ok... you're going to have to tell me more about your net |
| 18:02.28 | Rydekull | anyone have any suggestion on how to find out on what /dev(ice) my usb-webcam is on, or set it... my tv-card is currently on /dev/video0 |
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| 18:02.39 | Eulex | sniker: oh, that one's common... ifconfig? |
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| 18:03.00 | rodge | I have a problem: With an ordinary user, /etc/profile isnt running. Only after changing to root, it is run. Why? |
| 18:03.01 | sniker | the net configuration are right.. |
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| 18:03.31 | Eulex | Rydekull, check yer dmesg |
| 18:03.49 | Rydekull | Eulex: yeah, well it says address 6 |
| 18:03.50 | Eulex | sniker, can you run dhclient or pump or something like that? |
| 18:03.58 | tarzeau | how many more weeks for the c++ abi change in sid ? |
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| 18:04.24 | Eulex | tarzeau, what's that abi change about btw? |
| 18:04.24 | cuti | hey man, cat file; xargs -n1 wget just stay there |
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| 18:04.47 | bizkit_ | how to exclude a whole subdir and all files withing this subdir when using tar to create a tarball? |
| 18:05.29 | cbecht | bizkit_: man tar |
| 18:05.33 | sniker | Eulex: no i don't have try to use dhclient, i've got manual ipaddress |
| 18:05.36 | cuti | cat thevoquyengia; while read a; do wget "$a" &; done |
| 18:05.36 | cuti | -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `; |
| 18:05.44 | matiasV | bizkit_, see --exclude in tar(1) |
| 18:05.48 | Eulex | sniker, oh ok |
| 18:05.57 | cbecht | sniker: What about routing? |
| 18:06.01 | rodge | what could be the reason, that my /etc/profile is not processed for ordinary users, but only for root? |
| 18:06.15 | tarzeau | !ABI |
| 18:06.15 | dpkg | it has been said that abi is not gay. |
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| 18:06.47 | foobus | cuti you have to change 'file' to something meaningful |
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| 18:06.57 | Eulex | heh... I guess dpkg doesn't know |
| 18:07.00 | bizkit_ | this does not help me because just excluding by patterns will also exclude some other files so i need something with an absolute path i can exlude |
| 18:07.04 | co_ | !ping me |
| 18:07.07 | Rydekull | Eulex: so... any suggestion? :) |
| 18:07.09 | tarzeau | Eulex: a problem that Objective-C guys don't have |
| 18:07.12 | foobus | and maybe escape the ampersand? |
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| 18:07.50 | sniker | it work like if cable was unplugged |
| 18:07.51 | MaRQuiS^ | anyone that could help me with my debian - webmin problem ? Ive read the log, anyone who can help me ? |
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| 18:07.59 | tarzeau | Eulex: here, ABI -> http://images.google.ch/images?q=abi&hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi |
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| 18:08.15 | Eulex | Rydekull, I dunno, but there must be some webcam how-to somewhere on the net |
| 18:08.19 | Eulex | tarzeau, thanks! |
| 18:08.25 | cbecht | sniker: Is the interface "UP" and "RUNNING"? |
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| 18:08.40 | Eulex | tarzeau, ahem... |
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| 18:09.04 | cbecht | sniker: Also, is your gateway listed in the output from 'route'? |
| 18:09.12 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau! |
| 18:09.16 | tarzeau | takatumi! |
| 18:11.07 | sniker | cbecht: i don't know if the interfaces are "UP" and "RUNNING", it should be automatically running (i use netinstall)... |
| 18:11.27 | cbecht | sniker: Those are keywords that you should see on your ifconfig output. |
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| 18:12.06 | gbic | Anyone here have experience clustering Sun's? |
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| 18:12.23 | Pryon | clustering Sun's what? |
| 18:12.30 | gbic | Ultra 10's |
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| 18:12.35 | cbecht | sniker: The third line of my ifconfig output for eth0 looks like this: UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 18:12.38 | gbic | I have 4 I would like to put into a cluster |
| 18:12.54 | cbecht | sniker: Does your output include "UP" and "RUNNING" as well? |
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| 18:13.33 | sniker | cbecht: just a moment... |
| 18:13.50 | Rydekull | Eulex: well, yeah, but I cant find anything that explains how to have both my tv-card and my webcam at the same time :) |
| 18:14.10 | Eulex | Rydekull, why should there be any problem with that? |
| 18:14.27 | bernouli | is there any diferrence i can notice from a box which use iptables or pf? what are the most reliable actions taken from each filter? |
| 18:14.44 | cbecht | Rydekull: I had a tv-tuner and webcam at one point. I don't remember any problems. One came up as video0 and the other as video1 IIRC. |
| 18:14.50 | Rydekull | Eulex: well, I try to make them nodes but it only 'becomes' the tv-card :) |
| 18:15.14 | TBBle | If they're the same bttv device, I think you can only have one or the other inputting at a time. |
| 18:15.28 | Rydekull | cbecht: yeah, well I get video0 but video1 wont become the other :) |
| 18:15.40 | co_ | #bandung |
| 18:15.58 | Rydekull | TBBle: it's a Logitech 3000 Pro and a Hauppague... err.. forgot it's name, shoudlnt be the same :( |
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| 18:16.07 | Rydekull | :)^ |
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| 18:16.34 | sniker | cbecht: is up but not runninG... UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 18:16.39 | TBBle | Rydekull: In that case, should be fine. Are you sure the webcam is being detected? |
| 18:16.50 | Rydekull | yes |
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| 18:16.55 | Rydekull | usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 6 |
| 18:16.57 | Rydekull | :) |
| 18:17.06 | cbecht | Rydekull: Yeah, but is a driver loaded for it? |
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| 18:17.44 | Rydekull | should be, checking :) |
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| 18:17.58 | parsec__ | when I use to edit source files with VI there would be color, and formatting.. but now neither of them work, and i'm not sure where to start looking.. |
| 18:18.02 | maxy | Hi, I've just dist-upgraded woody==>sarge, and now I have: |
| 18:18.02 | maxy | /etc/alternatives/pager: ELF 32-bit LSB executable |
| 18:18.02 | maxy | ucf expects this to be a symlink, and post-install fails for many packages. |
| 18:18.02 | maxy | What might have caused this? |
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| 18:18.16 | cbecht | parsec__: Try vim |
| 18:18.18 | PerfDave | parsec__: Does ":syntax on" work when you've edited the file? |
| 18:18.28 | parsec__ | PerfDave: no |
| 18:18.33 | cbecht | sniker: What about the output from 'route'? Does it show your gateway? |
| 18:18.56 | PerfDave | parsec__: Are you using vi or vim? |
| 18:19.01 | parsec__ | PerfDave: vim |
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| 18:19.09 | TBBle | parsec__: Do you get colour in other places, such as ls? |
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| 18:19.22 | PerfDave | parsec__: Does the file you're editing have a sensible extension? |
| 18:19.25 | parsec__ | TBBle: yes. |
| 18:19.31 | parsec__ | PerfDave: yes |
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| 18:20.14 | jharrisonwk | anyone know where in the linux kernel sources to find the version? |
| 18:20.35 | sniker | cbecht: just a moment... now i must exit from irc for a few minutes, but i come back soon... don't go away... |
| 18:20.49 | directhex | jharrisonwk, in Makefile? |
| 18:20.51 | cbecht | sniker: Fair enough |
| 18:21.05 | PerfDave | parsec__: Are you *sure* you're running vim? If you just type "vi", do you get the vim splash screen? |
| 18:21.14 | parsec__ | PerfDaev: yes. |
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| 18:21.24 | jharrisonwk | directhex: well im writing a program and im not sure the proper way to read in the kernel version |
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| 18:21.48 | jharrisonwk | directhex: maybe include/linux/version.h? |
| 18:21.56 | directhex | jharrisonwk, execute "uname -r"? |
| 18:22.11 | jharrisonwk | directhex: well I dont want the version of the running kernel |
| 18:22.23 | jharrisonwk | directhex: I want the version of the sources |
| 18:22.28 | caphuso | you don't want the version of some random kernel source either |
| 18:22.34 | jharrisonwk | no |
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| 18:22.45 | caphuso | userspace programs have no business using the kernel source |
| 18:22.48 | directhex | well it's in Makefile *sulks* |
| 18:22.50 | jharrisonwk | I want the version of sources linked to by the symlink /usr/src/linux or whatever |
| 18:23.07 | jharrisonwk | ok ill check out the makefile |
| 18:23.19 | jharrisonwk | caphuso: what if it is a script to automatically compile kernels hhmmm? |
| 18:23.26 | dafen | iwconfig seems not working well |
| 18:23.34 | jharrisonwk | caphuso: now is it ok for the program to read kernel sources version? |
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| 18:24.46 | caphuso | jharrisonwk: ah, that's a different matter |
| 18:25.00 | caphuso | jharrisonwk: but why, we already got make-kpg which works just fine |
| 18:25.28 | jharrisonwk | caphuso: this is for me personally for my servers |
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| 18:25.38 | caphuso | jharrisonwk: use make-kpkg |
| 18:25.43 | tarzeau | if i have /var/www/~user |
| 18:25.55 | tarzeau | and thttpd brings 404 : The requested URL '/~user' was not found on this server. , it's broken, right? |
| 18:26.09 | jharrisonwk | caphuso: its for vanilla kernels that I custom compile |
| 18:26.12 | caphuso | jharrisonwk: use make-kpkg |
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| 18:26.20 | jharrisonwk | ok |
| 18:26.33 | PerfDave | make-kpkg --append-to-version vanilla |
| 18:26.39 | jharrisonwk | make-kpkg does not do what I want |
| 18:26.47 | directhex | what is it you want? |
| 18:27.06 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: why not ? |
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| 18:27.32 | bizkit_ | i have just backup'ed /var /home and /etc and backuped my dpkg --get-selections is there anything else i should backup? this is my last chance to rebuild my system, anything else for the paket management neccessary? (sources.list is in /etc) |
| 18:27.33 | cbecht | tarzeau: Depends. Are the permissions right? Are directory listings enabled? |
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| 18:27.44 | tarzeau | cbecht: yes they are right |
| 18:27.58 | abrotman | all of /var ? |
| 18:28.03 | tarzeau | cbecht: /home/user/public_html -> /var/www/~user/ |
| 18:28.13 | cbecht | tarzeau: is your httpd configured with /var/www as the webroot? |
| 18:28.15 | bizkit_ | abrotman: yes /var is completely saved |
| 18:28.16 | jharrisonwk | well im writing a program that should backup the current .config if it exists and then checks for new versions of the kernel sources and then downloads/extracts the sources and then builds and then sends email or some notification that the build is done |
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| 18:28.23 | abrotman | bizkit_: seems overkill :) |
| 18:28.27 | tarzeau | cbecht: drwxr-xr-x 2 user user 4096 Jul 5 20:15 . |
| 18:28.35 | tarzeau | cbecht: yes of course |
| 18:28.41 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you can't use make-kpkg for that ? |
| 18:28.57 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: can make-kpkg download kernel sources etc...? |
| 18:28.57 | caphuso | of course he could |
| 18:29.10 | rodge | what could be the reason, that my /etc/profile is not processed for ordinary users, but only for root? |
| 18:29.19 | cbecht | tarzeau: Wait. What is a link to what? |
| 18:29.20 | tarzeau | rodge: they have no bourne shell? |
| 18:29.25 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: wget can |
| 18:29.37 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you're gonna have to write ... scripts |
| 18:29.39 | abrotman | ewwwwwwwwwww |
| 18:29.48 | joeytwiddle | bizkit_, /usr/local if you have one |
| 18:29.49 | tarzeau | cbecht: first one is a link -> to an existing directory |
| 18:29.50 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: but I WANT to write scripts |
| 18:29.55 | abrotman | so do it |
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| 18:30.03 | jharrisonwk | well im about to |
| 18:30.04 | caphuso | !#/bin/sh\nfinger @kernel.org | grep ...\nwget ...\ntar ...\ncp /boot/config-$(uname -r) ...\nmake-kpkg...\necho done | mail root |
| 18:30.05 | rodge | tarzeau: they all have /bin/bash |
| 18:30.18 | tarzeau | rodge: all noobs! |
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| 18:30.33 | cbecht | tarzeau: I don't understand why you would want /home/user/public_html to be a link to /var/www/~user/ |
| 18:30.33 | jharrisonwk | caphuso: doesnt linus not what us to finger anymore |
| 18:30.35 | abrotman | caphuso: shouldn't you compare the version at kernel.org to uname -r ? |
| 18:30.36 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:30.42 | rodge | tarzeau: whats the meaning of noob? |
| 18:30.47 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 18:30.47 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 18:30.49 | caphuso | abrotman: that's where the grep comes in |
| 18:30.52 | tarzeau | rodge: like newbie |
| 18:30.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:30.59 | caphuso | jharrisonwk: uh, why would linus' opinion matter? |
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| 18:31.05 | abrotman | !newb |
| 18:31.06 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 18:31.06 | tarzeau | rodge: amateur! like you play tetris the first time |
| 18:31.07 | abrotman | bah |
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| 18:31.24 | tarzeau | cbecht: why not? |
| 18:31.30 | tarzeau | cbecht: did you read man thttpd.conf ? |
| 18:31.30 | jharrisonwk | caphuso: doesnt |
| 18:31.41 | rodge | tarzeau: sure, but it doesnt matter. /etc/profile should be run anyway... |
| 18:31.48 | tarzeau | rodge: it is. here |
| 18:31.51 | cbecht | tarzeau: Can't say that I have. I don't use thttpd |
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| 18:32.00 | DeNi_BoY | !ping me |
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| 18:32.20 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: if it matters .. also an rss feed for kernel.org |
| 18:32.30 | jim | caphuso: if it's his server or he's been getting complaints from the owner about too much finger usage or something |
| 18:32.34 | foobus | tarzeau, amateur and novice are completely different. amateur's discover all the new comets and big rocks |
| 18:32.37 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yes isnt that sweet |
| 18:32.45 | jim | that would make his opinion matter :P |
| 18:33.03 | jharrisonwk | jim: some people dont care about such things |
| 18:33.07 | tarzeau | foobus: ahh like new (windows) and modern (linux) .. |
| 18:33.08 | caphuso | jim: it's not and if there was, they had that service shut down long time ago. plus, a finger is way easier on resources than any other way |
| 18:33.08 | jharrisonwk | jim: best to just drop it |
| 18:33.17 | tarzeau | s,new,retarded, |
| 18:33.33 | Annirak | How do I split off a function to run in its own thread or process in a bash script? And how do I wait for that thread/process to then complete later on? |
| 18:33.45 | jim | jharrisonwk: so then linus should tell them that people don't care, and please shut down the finger service? |
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| 18:33.58 | caphuso | Annirak: put it in its own script |
| 18:34.00 | oli__ | hello, having problems with the sarge boot floppy, always tells please append a correct root= boot option instead of asking for the root floppy. system is a old HP Vectra, boot floppy is from the actual sarge cdrom |
| 18:34.01 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: or you could use ftp |
| 18:34.12 | jim | oh, ok |
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| 18:34.26 | jharrisonwk | jim: actually its finger.kernel.org |
| 18:34.33 | jharrisonwk | August 21, 2003: Please don't use finger.kernel.org for any sort of automatic monitoring. The number of automatic bots hitting this port is causing the finger daemon to shut down more often than not. The same information is available from http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner. |
| 18:34.33 | caphuso | linus doesn't have anything to do with the kernel.org machine |
| 18:34.40 | Annirak | caphuso thanks |
| 18:34.50 | foobus | tarzeau, amateur is someone that does something out of his love for it. |
| 18:35.00 | jim | jharrisonwk: so it -is- an abuse complaint |
| 18:35.06 | jharrisonwk | jim: yes |
| 18:35.16 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: that makes it easy too .. wget | grep "latest stable" or somecrap |
| 18:35.18 | jharrisonwk | jim: apparently the kids bots |
| 18:35.25 | caphuso | it's an abuse complain from two years ago |
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| 18:35.42 | jharrisonwk | yes and its from 2 years ago |
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| 18:35.50 | jharrisonwk | so finger linux all you want |
| 18:35.53 | caphuso | and the service is still running, which probably means the problem has been solved |
| 18:35.55 | hazem_ | Guys am makeing documentaion for Graduation project so which the best program can do this job and help me to make it looks nice ? |
| 18:35.59 | jim | that doesn't follow. |
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| 18:36.48 | jim | it's been requested that people stop, therefore it could be considered -illegal- to continue, a use of computer equipment unwanted by said equipment's owner |
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| 18:36.50 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: use the URL |
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| 18:37.12 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: which URL |
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| 18:37.24 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: wget http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner -O - | grep "latest stable" | awk '{print $10}' |
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| 18:37.33 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: which should be changed to be N-1 for arguments to awk |
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| 18:37.50 | abrotman | but i can't be arsed to find the argument :) |
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| 18:39.05 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: help ? |
| 18:39.42 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yes thanks |
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| 18:41.51 | foobus | wow, Go is (finally) suing MS. |
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| 18:42.03 | TwistedEmotions | foobus: who is Go? |
| 18:42.14 | lord_impal | I recently got a UML virtual server on Redwood virtual (yes I know their service sucks) to run some servers. The wtmp file keeps blowing up and taking all of my disk space. I have multiple "LOGIN" entries per second with the source being my own kernel (instead of my IP address when I ssh into the system). They are always on the /dev/serial/0 and ttys/X ports. I know I can just put a cron... |
| 18:42.16 | lord_impal | ...job to clear this file, but I would like to know what these entries are. Are they failed login attempts or is there something misconfigured? |
| 18:42.24 | abrotman | foobus: who isn't these days :) |
| 18:42.50 | abrotman | lord_impal: and example might be good |
| 18:42.57 | abrotman | s/and/an |
| 18:42.59 | Belboz99 | Hey all, I'm trying to figure this one out. Why is GIMP 2.2.8-2 available as an unstable package, but not 2.3.2, which was released only 4 days later? |
| 18:42.59 | TwistedEmotions | God dammit... my room is hot! |
| 18:43.00 | foobus | Go computing, made a pen based drawing palette who's tech MS stole during talks, did the "preannounce" attack, nad quashed investment interest in GO |
| 18:43.05 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: get naked |
| 18:43.07 | lord_impal | abrotman: should I post to #flood? |
| 18:43.16 | abrotman | lord_impal: we only need one line if they are all similar |
| 18:43.31 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: *Wink-Wink* In my boxers already |
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| 18:43.39 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: thanks .. you can stop now :) |
| 18:43.45 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: sorry. |
| 18:43.46 | andi5 | hi. two questions. nr. 1: what exactly is unstable in sid currently or where can i find more about it? nr. 2: can anybody tell me the website of the ddtp? |
| 18:43.50 | eye69 | lord_impal: Sounds like you need to talk to Redwood. |
| 18:43.52 | PerfDave | Belboz99: Because the GIMP maintainer(s) haven't uploaded a package for 2.3.2? |
| 18:43.58 | PerfDave | andi5: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 18:44.01 | lord_impal | abrotman: line 1 of 2 LOGIN |serial/0 |6|c | 611| ||| |Sun Jul 3 21:56:29 2005 |
| 18:44.08 | andi5 | PerfDave: thanks a lot |
| 18:44.22 | lord_impal | abrotman: line 2 of 2 | |5|c | 611| |2.4.27-2um| |Sun Jul 3 21:56:29 2005 |
| 18:44.24 | abrotman | lord_impal: you have a console hooked up ? |
| 18:44.26 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Making a run to Fry's you need anything you whore? |
| 18:44.27 | abrotman | lord_impal: you can stop now :) |
| 18:44.27 | directhex | isn't 2.3 a development branch? |
| 18:44.50 | lord_impal | abrotman: it is a UML server |
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| 18:44.58 | abrotman | why is serial/0 logging in ? |
| 18:45.00 | lord_impal | abrotman: so I don't think the console is operational |
| 18:45.01 | Belboz99 | PerfDave, thanks for the response. I hadn't realized that Debian developers were not responsable for packages. What do you think would be a reasonable time frame for such a package to arrive? |
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| 18:45.19 | abrotman | lord_impal: you have root on this box ? |
| 18:45.23 | abyss | lo got a wlan problem! |
| 18:45.25 | PerfDave | Belboz99: What do you mean, "the Debian developers were not responsable for packages"? |
| 18:45.29 | lord_impal | abrotman: it is not just serial, it is ttys as well |
| 18:45.34 | abyss | what means that: Jul 4 22:14:31 localhost kernel: lui-net |
| 18:45.34 | abyss | Jul 4 22:14:45 localhost kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: wlan0: transmit timed out |
| 18:45.34 | abyss | Jul 4 22:14:45 localhost kernel: wlan0: Tx timed out. |
| 18:45.45 | abrotman | move closer to the AP |
| 18:45.55 | lord_impal | abrotman: only within my UM server |
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| 18:46.04 | abrotman | lord_impal: so you can control all the logging etc ? |
| 18:46.12 | lord_impal | yes |
| 18:46.14 | Belboz99 | PerfDave, you said is was the GIMP maintainers who were supposed to release the package, are GIMP maintainers also Debain developers? |
| 18:46.14 | abyss | abrotman, im beside it |
| 18:46.21 | directhex | Belboz99, there will not be packages of the development branch of gimp in debian's main trees |
| 18:46.30 | directhex | Belboz99, wait for it to stabilize (2.4) |
| 18:46.37 | PerfDave | !maintainer gimp |
| 18:46.40 | dpkg | gimp: has nothing about maintainer |
| 18:46.43 | abyss | and after this timeout i never get a connection anymore |
| 18:46.48 | abyss | only after reboot |
| 18:46.50 | abrotman | abyss: closer!!!! |
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| 18:46.55 | greycoin | I just configured my printer using foomatic-gui, and everything went smoothly. the problem is that when I send anything to print, it whirrs for a bit, then displays the "no paper" blinking LED right away. I'm using an HP Deskjet 640C on 3.1 |
| 18:46.56 | PerfDave | Belboz99: There are Debian developers responsible for Debian's GIMP packages. |
| 18:46.57 | abrotman | lord_impal: so turn it off ? |
| 18:47.13 | Belboz99 | ah, ok PerfDave, thanks |
| 18:47.22 | abrotman | and possibly some that contribute to gimp |
| 18:47.25 | abrotman | !maint gimp |
| 18:47.27 | dpkg | gimp: Ari Pollak <ari@debian.org> |
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| 18:47.57 | lord_impal | abrotman: I don't know how to do that, I looked up securetty but that is only for root |
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| 18:48.19 | lord_impal | abrotman: Do you know what that entry means? |
| 18:48.24 | Belboz99 | I've compiled GIMP 2.3.2 from source in the past, but I lost it due to a corrupted filesystem. GIMP 2.3.2 was is far superior to 2.2.8 which I am using now |
| 18:48.33 | lord_impal | abrotman: failed ogin attempt, etc |
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| 18:48.43 | directhex | Belboz99, there will not be packages of the development branch of gimp in debian's main trees |
| 18:48.44 | directhex | Belboz99, wait for it to stabilize (2.4) |
| 18:48.53 | snowman | I have a political question: "What will happen to debian and open source in general after the day of tomorrow if Software Patents will be allowed?". Is debian dying then? You all know its EU voting on 6. July! |
| 18:49.18 | caphuso | snowman: not appropriate for this channel |
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| 18:49.25 | Belboz99 | I hear you directhex, but what is wrong with installing an unstable package on stable OS? |
| 18:49.25 | abrotman | lord_impal: i would have guessed the syslog.conf .. but you're saying that's not the problem eh ? |
| 18:49.33 | PerfDave | snowman: If it passes, then the software world in general, be it Debian, Linux or closed-source, is in deep shit. |
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| 18:49.42 | andi5 | sorry to reask: where does ddtp.debian.org move to? (i guess it was not the getting debian site) |
| 18:49.43 | TheSin | so any word on php5 yet? :D |
| 18:49.47 | directhex | foobus, it won't. |
| 18:49.57 | lord_impal | abrotman: I have no idea what the problem is |
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| 18:50.09 | foobus | huge roadblocks to the democratic process |
| 18:50.17 | snowman | ok thats all i wanted to know |
| 18:50.37 | directhex | Belboz99, installing packages from unstable on sarge is one thing. but the package miantainer will not make packages for gimp's development tree (2.3) |
| 18:51.01 | directhex | foobus, the final decision is not by a democratic body |
| 18:51.08 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 18:51.19 | caphuso | there will be no more discussion about politics |
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| 18:52.16 | abrotman | lord_impal: i wonder why your console etc is showing up |
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| 18:52.31 | foobus | directhex, aren't there some nominal requirements for the Council to follow Parliament directives, though? |
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| 18:53.07 | lord_impal | abrotman: the only thing I could think of is that it is another UM server inside the same box, but can they do that? |
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| 18:53.47 | abrotman | lord_impal: no idea .. |
| 18:54.04 | Belboz99 | okay directhex, I'm understanding you now. I mistakingly assumed that because 2.2.8 is not stable on Debian that it was in the development tree. I now see that it is actually a stable release from Gimp.org. Sorry for the confusion. I'm still suprised though that they won't come out with another stable release until 2.4. That seems so far off. |
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| 18:54.22 | lord_impal | abrotman: do you know how I can disable serial0 and ttysX |
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| 18:54.32 | PerfDave | Belboz99: Version numbering is fairly arbitrary. 2.4 could be the next release ;) |
| 18:54.32 | abrotman | lord_impal: blacklist the driver ? |
| 18:54.51 | Belboz99 | cool PerfDave |
| 18:54.53 | directhex | Belboz99, that doesn't mean they have to do 2.3.9 then 2.4.0, it means they're doing basic fixes to the current stable 2.2 version, and working on the new stable 2.4 version by making major changes in 2.3 |
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| 18:55.12 | Bloopz | Does anyone know how you change the name of the computer in debian? |
| 18:55.17 | directhex | Belboz99, 2.2 and 2.3 are worked on in parallel |
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| 18:55.33 | lord_impal | abrotman: I am fairly new to this and my knowledge of the base system is rudimentary, how do i do that? |
| 18:55.36 | Belboz99 | ah, thanks directhex |
| 18:55.38 | directhex | Belboz99, when 2.4 is released, 2.4 and 2.5 will be worked on in parallel |
| 18:55.47 | Belboz99 | cool |
| 18:55.47 | PeTeRB | Bloopz: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 18:55.48 | cbecht | Bloopz: hostname |
| 18:55.55 | faked | Bloopz: edit /etc/hostname |
| 18:56.02 | abrotman | lord_impal: seems like something you'd have them do .. did you try contacting them about it ? |
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| 18:56.06 | abrotman | lord_impal: is it even debian ? |
| 18:56.14 | directhex | unless someone decides to change the development process, and make changes between every 2.4 version, with no separate 2.5 development tree |
| 18:56.17 | directhex | but that'd be retarded |
| 18:56.43 | lord_impal | abrotman: it is debain, I will contact them and ask, thanks |
| 18:56.43 | tarzeau | abrotman |
| 18:56.46 | Belboz99 | I guess I've just never learned how the development process works |
| 18:57.05 | cmug | My normal user cannot access my USB digicam, I read about a file called /etc/hotplug/usb/usbcam, where I set some stuff. Still doesnt work. as root I can access the camera fine. Ideas? |
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| 18:57.18 | cmug | http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/linux/2005/01/06/examples/usbcam.txt |
| 18:57.23 | lord_impal | abrotman: is there a way i can disable the terminals from accessing login though? |
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| 18:57.28 | directhex | cmug, adduser username video |
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| 18:57.35 | abrotman | lord_impal: don't start them ? |
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| 18:57.53 | cmug | directhex, exists |
| 18:57.58 | cmug | i should add my normal user to video? |
| 18:58.13 | directhex | cmug, yes. yes you should. |
| 18:58.26 | cmug | ok |
| 18:58.32 | lord_impal | abrotman: do you know what conf or startup file? |
| 18:58.47 | abrotman | lord_impal: some of them come from /etc/inittab |
| 18:58.52 | Bloopz | thanks |
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| 18:58.56 | edison | Help i have many programs i want to remove to get more space, how can i have list of my program and then remove the unwanted ? |
| 18:59.06 | tarzeau | edison: dpkg -l |
| 18:59.10 | tarzeau | edison: know deborphan ? |
| 18:59.14 | directhex | edison, dpkg -l to list installed packages. |
| 18:59.14 | abrotman | !tell edison about deborphan |
| 18:59.24 | sepski | edison, aptitude, then look under installed packages |
| 18:59.30 | tarzeau | and don't forget vrms |
| 18:59.31 | Despite | do u know how to change the User-Agent: with firefox? |
| 18:59.37 | tarzeau | !u |
| 18:59.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:59.39 | abrotman | !tell Despite about u |
| 18:59.44 | tarzeau | Despite: why would you want to cheat? |
| 18:59.52 | tarzeau | Despite: you know what happens if i find cheaters on my server? |
| 18:59.55 | lord_impal | abrotman: found them and commented them out. I belive that is it. Thanks a lot |
| 18:59.57 | edison | ok thank |
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| 19:00.08 | Despite | i just dont want to hide my OS |
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| 19:00.34 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Goatse? |
| 19:00.35 | abrotman | Despite: and ask on irc.mozilla.org |
| 19:00.41 | Despite | tarzeau it'snt cheating |
| 19:00.46 | Despite | its hidding |
| 19:01.00 | FieldySnuts | ~kill PeTeRB |
| 19:01.00 | apt | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized positrino gun at PeTeRB |
| 19:01.00 | cmug | directhex, didnt help |
| 19:01.00 | tarzeau | Despite: hiding? even worse. you know what happens with campers? |
| 19:01.13 | cmug | directhex, should I relogin for changes to take effect? |
| 19:01.16 | directhex | cmug, what is the device node of your camera? |
| 19:01.17 | Despite | tarzeau no |
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| 19:01.29 | Granden | What app are there for .rar archives to use? |
| 19:01.32 | directhex | cmug, yes, you need to log out/in for group changes to take effect |
| 19:01.35 | directhex | Granden, unrar-nonfree |
| 19:01.37 | tarzeau | Granden: zipper.app |
| 19:01.41 | cmug | directhex, i try to autodetect it in gtkam app |
| 19:01.56 | cmug | uid=1000(cmug) gid=1000(cmug) groups=1000(cmug),44(video),1001(usb) should be effective? |
| 19:02.07 | Granden | is unrar-nonfree beter then zipper.app? |
| 19:02.17 | greycoin | does anyone know what I should do to install japanese language support on Debian 3.1? |
| 19:02.19 | abrotman | that .app stuff is useless ... |
| 19:02.23 | cmug | Bus 001 Device 009: ID 04b0:0206 Nikon Corp. Coolpix 5200 (ptp) |
| 19:02.24 | directhex | you need the actual unrar executable whatever happens |
| 19:02.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: liar! |
| 19:02.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: fanboi! |
| 19:02.32 | Granden | there is unrar.free |
| 19:02.35 | Granden | how is that? |
| 19:02.45 | directhex | afterwards, use any old front end, like file-roller or ark |
| 19:02.50 | cmug | directhex, when ran as root, the autodetect sees the device fine |
| 19:03.01 | tarzeau | nobody has .mac ? i want to sing and play guitar |
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| 19:03.16 | dafen | what command to run glxgear? |
| 19:03.22 | dafen | glxi-gear? |
| 19:03.23 | tarzeau | dafen: glxgear |
| 19:03.24 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 19:03.28 | directhex | dafen, type "glxgears"? |
| 19:03.29 | dafen | ok, which package do I need? |
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| 19:03.57 | dafen | I got 2015.400 fps |
| 19:03.57 | abrotman | glxgears |
| 19:04.01 | Eulex | greycoin, "japanese language support"? do you mean fonts? |
| 19:04.02 | dafen | is it good for ati mobile 9600? |
| 19:04.14 | directhex | dafen, yes. |
| 19:04.19 | Eulex | dafen, thats about what you should get |
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| 19:04.25 | dafen | cooll.... finally, 2 days resort... |
| 19:04.34 | directhex | dafen, assuming you get that with the window in tis original size (300x300) and running on top of all other widnows |
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| 19:04.38 | sunrise | hi all |
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| 19:04.41 | dafen | 2 days hardwork+compiling kernel on my little t42 ibm thinkpad |
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| 19:04.48 | greycoin | eulex: fonts and being able to write with a japanese-style keyboard, too |
| 19:04.52 | directhex | dafen, yes, that's about right for getting fglrx to work |
| 19:04.58 | sunrise | is it possible to download packages waiting in NEW queue (moved from incoming) ? |
| 19:05.10 | amphi | dafen: 2 days on a t42? what were you compiling? |
| 19:05.18 | dafen | kernel |
| 19:05.25 | amphi | for 2 days??? |
| 19:05.28 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 19:05.32 | dafen | but still onething weird... upon booting , it will dark out for a while |
| 19:05.34 | directhex | amphi, probably getting fglrx to work |
| 19:05.39 | dafen | then return to normal |
| 19:05.40 | FieldySnuts | I remember a freebsd kernel taking like 9 hours on a P60 |
| 19:05.46 | Eulex | greycoin, apt-cache search japanese|less |
| 19:05.47 | amphi | directhex: ah - didn't bother with that here |
| 19:05.58 | dafen | and if I add vga=788, it'll completely dark out |
| 19:06.04 | FieldySnuts | now i do (linux) kernels in about 4 mins, what a world |
| 19:06.08 | amphi | directhex: as it switches mode? you're using radeonfb? |
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| 19:06.38 | Eulex | dafen, define "normal" |
| 19:06.38 | directhex | amphi, fuck no. i don't even consider ati for use with linux |
| 19:06.53 | amphi | directhex: sorry, tab-tarding, that was for dafen |
| 19:06.53 | dafen | once you boot, it'll show all kinds driver loading etc etc |
| 19:07.06 | dafen | but mine is a completely dark screen |
| 19:07.20 | dafen | and for about 10 secs, it'll return to normal, wher eI can login |
| 19:07.26 | cbecht | directhex: Out of curiosity, what do you use for video? |
| 19:07.27 | dafen | so I think after loading a driver something |
| 19:07.28 | directhex | amphi, debian uses vesafb by default, if you just supply a vga= line. which is good, assuming vesafb supports your hardware |
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| 19:07.39 | dafen | if I put vga=788 as I usually do on my desktop |
| 19:07.43 | directhex | cbecht, 0000:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6800 Ultra/GeForce 6800 GT] (rev a2) |
| 19:07.44 | dafen | it'll completely dark out |
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| 19:08.01 | amphi | dafen: vga=0x318 (792) works here; it blanks as it switches modes |
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| 19:08.15 | cmug | is something wrong because all my usb devices in /proc/bus/usb are root:root? |
| 19:08.18 | alzi | hi |
| 19:08.19 | greycoin | eulex: thanks |
| 19:08.23 | dafen | but I didn't put any vga=there |
| 19:08.26 | cmug | i chowned the camera to cmug, and now it works on my normal user |
| 19:08.27 | mtoups | any opinions on what filesystem is best for sharing a disk between mac os X and debian linux? (hfsplus vs. ufs) |
| 19:08.29 | cbecht | directhex: Are tehre open source drivers for that, or are you stuck with nVidia's binaries? |
| 19:08.29 | directhex | cmug, /proc isn't where devices live |
| 19:08.30 | dafen | so the default |
| 19:08.38 | directhex | cbecht, i use nvidia's binaries. |
| 19:08.45 | cmug | directhex, no, but that fixed it for now |
| 19:08.51 | directhex | cmug, odd. |
| 19:08.57 | alzi | anyone who speaks german.. and ist firm with mysql ? |
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| 19:09.12 | abrotman | !de |
| 19:09.13 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 19:09.26 | CrocoJet | anyone know if exist in debian one folder compatible with "/etc/rc.d/rc.local" ? |
| 19:09.28 | faked | alzi: in installing mysql or more? |
| 19:09.34 | abrotman | !tell CrocoJet about rc.local |
| 19:09.51 | alzi | faked.. in installing... |
| 19:10.04 | abrotman | apt-get install mysqld ? |
| 19:10.06 | faked | alzi: ok, shouldn't be a problem |
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| 19:12.24 | symoon | hi gdtux |
| 19:12.28 | DB_ | How can I pass flags to make with make-kpkg? EG: make -j4 ? |
| 19:12.29 | gdtux | lu symoon |
| 19:12.30 | Granden | how to use unrar-nonfree? |
| 19:12.55 | caphuso | Granden: man unrar |
| 19:13.00 | tarzeau | Granden: dpkg -l unrar-nonfree |grep bin |
| 19:13.00 | Granden | I have |
| 19:13.04 | Granden | but dont understand it |
| 19:13.10 | TwistedEmotions | Granden: unrar-nonfree e file.rar |
| 19:13.11 | tarzeau | Granden: man unrar |
| 19:13.13 | TwistedEmotions | thats it.. |
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| 19:13.30 | tarzeau | Granden: you can use zipper.app |
| 19:13.49 | directhex | Granden, now unrar-nonfree is installed, you can use any front-end, e.g. file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde) |
| 19:13.49 | tarzeau | Granden: it's a brain plugin that makes you understand zip rar lha zoo tar |
| 19:14.03 | symoon | DB_: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=x as environment variable |
| 19:14.06 | TwistedEmotions | Granden: it's not complicated... justuse the command I gave you... unrar-free e <file>.rar |
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| 19:14.17 | DB_ | symoon: Ah, cool. Thanks |
| 19:14.23 | Granden | It dont work |
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| 19:14.31 | tarzeau | !it doesn't work |
| 19:14.35 | Granden | btw unrar-nonfree dont exist nether do unrar-free |
| 19:14.38 | Granden | I have to use unrar |
| 19:14.41 | abrotman | !doesn't work |
| 19:14.41 | symoon | Granden: unrar (free) is also available |
| 19:14.41 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 19:14.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: better ? |
| 19:14.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: thank you, sweety |
| 19:15.01 | Granden | when I wrote unrar e fil.rar |
| 19:15.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you ever visit switzerland, we'll sing something together |
| 19:15.09 | TwistedEmotions | Granden: then... unrar e <file>.rar |
| 19:15.09 | Granden | I got cant unrar file.avi |
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| 19:15.15 | Granden | No files to extract |
| 19:15.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: The Gambler ? |
| 19:15.21 | tarzeau | Granden: try file file.avi |
| 19:15.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't know that song, but i can learn it |
| 19:15.30 | cmug | directhex, i restarted X and relogined my user. didnt help. |
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| 19:15.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: wait .. wait .. my cousin told me the town in Tyrol ... shit .. SW of innsbruck .. starts with an M |
| 19:15.41 | TwistedEmotions | Granden: you cant unrar a .avi file... nothing to unrar... |
| 19:15.54 | Granden | I mean |
| 19:15.57 | FieldySnuts | assuming it actually is a video file, show us file output |
| 19:15.58 | Granden | I got a rar archive |
| 19:16.04 | baihaninho_arret | \j feira |
| 19:16.06 | Granden | and when unraring it I shall get a .avi file |
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| 19:16.15 | symoon | has someone suceed in subscribing or unsubscribing a debian mailing list ? i can't and i don't understand |
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| 19:16.24 | Granden | but it says Cannot create file.avi No files to extract |
| 19:16.27 | PerfDave | Granden: rar is a shitty format anyway, avoid it :) |
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| 19:16.34 | PerfDave | Granden: You probably need unrar-nonfree |
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| 19:16.48 | ke6isf | Granden: Perhaps 'mv file.avi file.avi.rar'? |
| 19:16.48 | Granden | I did install unrar-nonfree but it didnt seem to work |
| 19:16.49 | TwistedEmotions | Granden: then you dont have whole archive probably... |
| 19:16.49 | Granden | either |
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| 19:17.28 | Granden | it sais when I write unrar-nonfree command not found |
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| 19:17.31 | TwistedEmotions | Granden: unrar and unrar-free are the same.. doesnt make a difference... you either didnt download right or files are corrupt or you dont have whole archive... |
| 19:17.47 | TwistedEmotions | Granden: apt-get install unrar-free... but it wont be any different. |
| 19:17.48 | sabot4ge | hail all |
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| 19:17.55 | Granden | I gota downlaod a sfv checker and see if it corrupt |
| 19:17.56 | TwistedEmotions | sabot4ge: zieg. |
| 19:18.05 | _sniker_ | hi cbecht |
| 19:18.07 | FieldySnuts | geez the man page for flexbackup sucks |
| 19:18.10 | PiroXXI_ | bonsoir/goodnight/bye/++/@+ |
| 19:18.12 | ke6isf | symoon: I have had success in both functions. |
| 19:18.19 | sabot4ge | TwistedEmotions, hello |
| 19:18.32 | sabot4ge | PiroXXI_, night there? |
| 19:18.35 | symoon | ke6isf: today ? |
| 19:19.01 | ke6isf | symoon: Well, not *today*, but knowing list systems, the procedure has not changed at all. |
| 19:19.15 | PiroXXI_ | sabot4ge: I'm in france |
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| 19:19.45 | symoon | ke6isf: i am already subscribed to many lists and know the procedure |
| 19:20.18 | symoon | i tested from different adresse and it is the same, none |
| 19:20.23 | baihaninho_arret | are you |
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| 19:20.37 | ke6isf | symoon: OK, so what seems to be the problem? |
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| 19:20.40 | baihaninho_arret | you are? |
| 19:20.47 | cbecht | sniker: hi |
| 19:20.51 | baihaninho_arret | huioh |
| 19:20.57 | baihaninho_arret | hg |
| 19:21.05 | symoon | ke6isf: either by mail or web interface, nothing happens when i ask for subscribe |
| 19:21.11 | benoit | bye there! |
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| 19:21.23 | symoon | from 3 different and independant adresses |
| 19:21.35 | _sniker_ | cbecht: i'm come back... |
| 19:21.38 | ke6isf | symoon: It could possibly be that the server is backlogged, or momentarily offline. How long ago did you make an attempt? |
| 19:21.52 | _sniker_ | cbecht: the route command, show the gateway... |
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| 19:22.03 | symoon | ke6isf: for at least 10h |
| 19:22.07 | cbecht | _sniker_: But you can't ping the gateway? |
| 19:22.26 | symoon | i report it to pasc, (listmaster) but he will available within some hours |
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| 19:22.49 | ke6isf | symoon: You've done all you can do then. |
| 19:23.03 | symoon | ke6isf: if you're able to test it also |
| 19:23.17 | _sniker_ | cbecht: in the netinstall i don't have the ping command... sh: ping: not found |
| 19:23.17 | symoon | it would confirm (or not) the issue |
| 19:23.29 | FieldySnuts | anyone aware of a backup tool similar to flexbackup? I am finding it difficult to use, mainly because it's documentation and man page sucks. i need to do full, incrimental and differential backups with compression, and easily be able to update these backups. free/open source only please |
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| 19:23.46 | cbecht | _sniker_: That's lame. What about telnet? |
| 19:23.56 | _sniker_ | now i try.. |
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| 19:24.11 | linuxfreck | FieldySnuts: backuppc for backups to disk, amanda for tape backups |
| 19:24.14 | cmatheson | what does flexbackup do? if you're looking for something rad youcould use amanda |
| 19:24.17 | _sniker_ | cbecht: sh: telnet: not found |
| 19:24.19 | cmatheson | bacula is cool too |
| 19:24.25 | cmatheson | _sniker_: maybe you should install it |
| 19:24.30 | blvszcz | hello, any idea how can i generate shadow md5 password using bash? |
| 19:24.36 | blvszcz | md5sum doesn't work |
| 19:24.40 | FieldySnuts | linuxfreck: will look, thanks |
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| 19:25.15 | cbecht | cmatheson: He's using a shell to fix a problem during netinstall. If he could install things, there wouldn't be a problem. =) |
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| 19:25.35 | cbecht | _sniker_: Well, simple question: Is the link light on the NIC lit? |
| 19:25.37 | cmatheson | cbecht: haha, ok |
| 19:25.50 | tIGINho_Ss | GODd NHIt |
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| 19:25.57 | ke6isf | Looks like the listserv is up. |
| 19:26.02 | _sniker_ | cbecht: yes, the light is on... |
| 19:26.15 | xav | sid literally unstable... it means its still a lot more stable then ubuntu breezy or..? |
| 19:26.22 | cbecht | _sniker_: What error are you getting exactly? |
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| 19:26.55 | Eulex | !nickometer tIGINho_Ss |
| 19:26.56 | dpkg | 'tIGINho_Ss' is 99.800% lame, eulex |
| 19:27.00 | Eulex | hehe |
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| 19:27.16 | PerfDave | xav: Sid is undergoing the gcc 3.4 -> 4 transition, which is breaking quite a lot of things. From what I hear, it'll still be more solid than Breezy, but if I were you I'd stick with Etch if not Sarge for the time being. |
| 19:27.37 | xav | PerfDave: same for breezy afaik |
| 19:27.48 | _sniker_ | cbecht: the installer is unable to find the mirror for download th packages to install... |
| 19:27.49 | ke6isf | I'm trying to set up an unofficial mirror for a single application, but don't seem to be able to get the one item I have in there. Is anybody able to give me a hand with this? |
| 19:27.53 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: AMANDA has some crazy concepts behind it, but once you grok them then it's awesome. |
| 19:27.57 | xav | they are moving to g++ 4 at least, maybe not gcc yet |
| 19:27.59 | sh4dowcat | heh gcc3.4 to 4.0 |
| 19:28.06 | sh4dowcat | that's pretty much gonna break the whole thing |
| 19:28.06 | cbecht | _sniker_: And you've tried several mirrors? |
| 19:28.13 | Despite | !nickometer Eulex |
| 19:28.17 | PerfDave | sh4dowcat: Yep :) |
| 19:28.27 | ufoalien | Eulex: hey :) |
| 19:28.29 | Despite | lol |
| 19:28.32 | _sniker_ | cbecht: yes, of couse... |
| 19:28.35 | kaol | actually it's gcc3.3 to 4.0 |
| 19:28.42 | FieldySnuts | ~sidsmite sh4dowcat |
| 19:28.47 | PerfDave | sh4dowcat: Hands off! I just got rid of my last sid install! |
| 19:28.49 | FieldySnuts | sigh |
| 19:28.56 | sh4dowcat | PerfDave: hehe |
| 19:28.56 | kaol | gcc3.4 and 4.0 have the same ABI so that wouldn't be a problem |
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| 19:28.57 | cbecht | _sniker_: Ok, just trying to rule out the easy things. |
| 19:29.02 | xav | PerfDave: how was it? |
| 19:29.05 | Eulex | Despite, my nick is 0% lame |
| 19:29.09 | sh4dowcat | I do have a sid install |
| 19:29.10 | PerfDave | xav: How was what? |
| 19:29.13 | Eulex | lo ufoalien :) |
| 19:29.21 | xav | PerfDave: ur last sid install |
| 19:29.21 | klynck | hey all... is there cd to do net install that has the mdadm utilities on it? |
| 19:29.25 | sh4dowcat | runs on a spare box I never turn on |
| 19:29.33 | xav | sh4dowcat: very useful then :) |
| 19:29.34 | PerfDave | !ur |
| 19:29.34 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 19:29.47 | Granden | Okej now I used cfsfv and it said OK on all files and still I cant unrar |
| 19:29.49 | sh4dowcat | xav: heh |
| 19:29.57 | cbecht | _sniker_: I'm running out of easy questions. |
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| 19:30.03 | sh4dowcat | not too many updates to etch yet |
| 19:30.09 | cbecht | _sniker_: Is there another machine on the network you can use to test with? |
| 19:30.22 | sh4dowcat | I'm guessing I'm in for a slew of them once XOrg and GCC 4.0 are ready |
| 19:30.41 | _sniker_ | cbecht: yes... |
| 19:30.55 | Granden | LOL I had to be root to unrar them |
| 19:31.07 | _sniker_ | cbecht: yes..., but is not a linux machine... |
| 19:31.14 | sh4dowcat | you don't need to be root to use unrar |
| 19:31.21 | xav | are there already distrib built with gcc 4 ? |
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| 19:31.59 | sh4dowcat | xav: Fedora Core 4 |
| 19:32.00 | cbecht | _sniker_: Well, I guess triple check for typos in subnet mask and gateway IP and so on. You did say this is set up manually rather than dhcp, right? |
| 19:32.04 | sh4dowcat | not that it'll do you any good |
| 19:32.12 | xav | anyway it isnt even sure gcc 4 is any better, so why are they already switching? |
| 19:32.14 | Granden | sh4dowcat, it was on my external hdd and it was owened by root thats why I ahd to be |
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| 19:32.27 | sh4dowcat | Granden: one word |
| 19:32.29 | sh4dowcat | umasks |
| 19:32.29 | xav | sh4dowcat: ok |
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| 19:32.32 | sh4dowcat | learn to use them |
| 19:32.38 | Granden | umasks? |
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| 19:33.03 | sh4dowcat | mount -o umask=0000 /dev/sda1 /mnt/external |
| 19:33.14 | Granden | why -o? |
| 19:33.28 | _sniker_ | cbecht: yes, i've setup it manually, and i've check many times for typos errors... |
| 19:33.38 | klynck | ?s=debian+raid+net+install+cd |
| 19:33.43 | Granden | sh4dowcat, thanks btw for the info |
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| 19:33.51 | secata | Greets all |
| 19:34.10 | cbecht | _sniker_: Is this the netinstall or the business card? Do you have a base system installed at least? |
| 19:34.10 | Granden | sudo umount /dev/sda1 |
| 19:34.11 | Granden | umount: /mnt/usb: device is busy |
| 19:34.13 | Granden | how do I solve that? |
| 19:34.19 | FieldySnuts | lsof | grep sda1 |
| 19:34.23 | FieldySnuts | get rid of whatever is using it |
| 19:34.36 | Granden | nothing |
| 19:34.41 | Granden | didnt get any output at all |
| 19:34.44 | cbecht | _sniker_: Ah, here's an idea, can you ping the linux box that you are installing from another box on the network? |
| 19:34.45 | FieldySnuts | odd then |
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| 19:34.56 | Granden | are there any force switch? |
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| 19:35.30 | Eulex | Granden, do you have any program that is in that directory right now? any program that has it as current directory? |
| 19:35.57 | trukulo | have anyone problems with gnome 2.10.2 in sid? |
| 19:36.04 | Granden | yes a console is there |
| 19:36.15 | secata | Having problems installing a GTK+ dependant app...it keeps on telling me that it can't find libglade-2.0 in the pkg-config search path. I know I have libglade-2.0 installed, as I can see it on Synaptic...how do I fix this? |
| 19:36.27 | directhex | trukulo, everyone running sid has problems. if you're runniong sid, you should be able to cope |
| 19:36.35 | directhex | !wayc secata |
| 19:36.36 | dpkg | secata: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 19:36.47 | Granden | now nothing is there and its still complaining |
| 19:36.48 | _sniker_ | cbecht: i've used a netinstall, no base system on that machine... i can't ping the linux box from another machine (100% packets lost) |
| 19:36.49 | trukulo | directhex, i know, i know |
| 19:36.54 | secata | Cus I don't know about apt-get ;o) |
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| 19:37.07 | rbochan | secata: got the -dev packages installed? |
| 19:37.15 | secata | yep |
| 19:37.22 | directhex | secata, what do you feel the need to compile? |
| 19:37.40 | trukulo | secata, try installing libglade-dev |
| 19:37.50 | cbecht | _sniker_: Well, that at least narrows it down. There's a problem with the local network, before you get to the gateway. |
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| 19:37.59 | cbecht | _sniker_: Are the two machines in the same subnet? |
| 19:38.11 | secata | I downloaded eccvs, and the docs says to run ./configure. The error happens at the end of ./configure... |
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| 19:38.41 | _sniker_ | cbecht: yes, the machines have the same subnet mask |
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| 19:39.04 | xav | etch sounds ugly, but I'll try it anyway. bye |
| 19:39.11 | cbecht | _sniker_: Then there isn't any routing or gateways between them really. The interface just isn't working. |
| 19:39.14 | directhex | secata, libglade2-dev? |
| 19:39.28 | cbecht | _sniker_: Maybe replace the cables, or if you have a spare, the NIC itself. |
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| 19:39.39 | directhex | secata, you ARE compiling things into /opt/foo or /usr/local, right? |
| 19:39.41 | Granden | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.42 | Granden | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.45 | Granden | why doesnt it work |
| 19:40.02 | cbecht | _sniker_: Also, just a simple double check here, but the machine you are pinging *from*, it has a good connection, correct? You can browse the web on it and so on? |
| 19:40.08 | secata | hmm...that might be the prob dercthex ;o) |
| 19:40.20 | PeTeRB | Granden: It's -t vfat |
| 19:40.26 | secata | Pardon my foolishness...not used to Linux yet |
| 19:41.05 | directhex | secata, be sure what you're doing is worth the annoyance, as opposed to using a package you can apt-get install |
| 19:41.10 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 19:41.10 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 19:41.19 | Granden | if I connected the usb hardrive after setup how do I make it detect it cause it didnt work to mount |
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| 19:41.33 | _sniker_ | cbecht: the machine that i've used for pinging *from*, has a good connection, and it go on the internet without problems... |
| 19:41.33 | directhex | Granden, which kernel? |
| 19:42.20 | Granden | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 19:42.20 | frucht | xine-check told me that MTRR is supported , but the x-server does not use it. How can I change that ? |
| 19:42.32 | _sniker_ | cbecht: i'll try to check the cable on the install linux machine |
| 19:42.49 | cbecht | _sniker_: Earlier you said the two machines used the same subnet mask, but are the two IPs both in the same subnet? |
| 19:43.04 | Granden | directhex, 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 19:43.06 | cbecht | _sniker_: Like, if you mask the IPs appropriately, the remaining bits are the same? |
| 19:44.11 | _sniker_ | cbecht: the IPs are: 192.168.1.10 and 192.168.1.20 |
| 19:44.39 | cbecht | _sniker_: And the subnet mask is like 255.255.255.0 or so? |
| 19:45.08 | _sniker_ | cbecht: the subnet mask are both on 255.255.255.0 |
| 19:45.21 | cbecht | _sniker_: Ok, sounds good. |
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| 19:45.35 | cbecht | _sniker_: I guess it's cable grovelling time. =( |
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| 19:46.16 | abyss | anybody knows a good graph. irc client aviable with debian sarge? |
| 19:46.22 | Schiz0 | xchat |
| 19:46.31 | Schiz0 | xchat owns. |
| 19:46.38 | _sniker_ | cbecht: ok, i'll change it... |
| 19:46.40 | cbecht | _sniker_: Also, I assume 'route' has a line like: 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 19:47.12 | ke6isf | abyss: xchat, natch. |
| 19:47.17 | _sniker_ | cbecht: yes. |
| 19:47.51 | bernouli | while trying to run excalibur, i have this error: Couldnt load font "Sans 10" falling back to "Sans 10"... All font failbacks faild, what should i do? |
| 19:47.52 | rbochan | it does |
| 19:48.13 | defcon8 | what package is camcontrol in? |
| 19:48.35 | cbecht | rbochan: _sniker_ is getting 'command not found' on his shell for stuff like 'ping' |
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| 19:48.52 | defcon8 | please it is important |
| 19:49.00 | cbecht | rbochan: Is that supposed to be in netinstall *before* you download and install stuff? |
| 19:49.20 | rbochan | weird, I thought those were part of the base install |
| 19:49.40 | ke6isf | There's a program for Mandreck - urpmf - that allows you to search for individual files in the archive. Is there an analog for apt? |
| 19:49.42 | cbecht | rbochan: Yeah, me too. But that's what he said he was getting when I asked him to ping something |
| 19:50.15 | PeTeRB | defcon8: /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:50.19 | abyss | what i have to install for java in browsern ? exists a apt pack? |
| 19:50.27 | abrotman | ke6isf: apt-file |
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| 19:50.38 | abrotman | !tell abydos about java install |
| 19:50.44 | abrotman | !tell abydos about install java |
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| 19:51.08 | abyss | !tell me about install java |
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| 19:51.20 | rbochan | cbecht: telnet must be there, t's one of the packages I always remove before doing a dist-upgrade to sid from a base netinst |
| 19:51.27 | gbic | In order to have localhost listen on port 443 do I need apache running for it to listen on that port? |
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| 19:51.31 | klynck | is there a netinstall app I can use to bootstrap off a (non-debian) live cd? |
| 19:51.34 | cbecht | rbochan: Hmmm..... |
| 19:51.43 | abrotman | abyss: yes .. sorry |
| 19:51.43 | ke6isf | many thanks, abrotman |
| 19:51.45 | cbecht | _sniker_: Are you sure you have a working base system installed? |
| 19:51.46 | gbic | I ask because I use an app called appgate which tunnels and listens on port 443 on localhost |
| 19:51.50 | PerfDave | klynck: You can use debootstrap from Knoppix to install Debian on a hard drive. |
| 19:51.54 | rbochan | cbecht: also netkit-ping, I believe |
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| 19:52.10 | ottoaim | so did concept10 get arrested? |
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| 19:52.13 | klynck | PerfDave: ty .... that might work |
| 19:52.16 | _sniker_ | rbochan: i'm usin a netinstall floppu based, ping and telnet are not there... |
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| 19:52.29 | rbochan | oh, then you don't have a base instaleld |
| 19:52.32 | KimuSan^ | how do I get debian to update the list of sources for apt-get? |
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| 19:52.38 | klynck | PerfDave: does the knoppix cd have mdadm? |
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| 19:52.47 | PerfDave | klynck: How should I know? Ask #knoppix :) |
| 19:52.52 | rbochan | _sniker_: floppy to cd or floppy to net? |
| 19:52.54 | PerfDave | KimuSan^: apt-setup |
| 19:53.06 | klynck | PerfDave: I assumed you were familiar with it... thanks for the tip though |
| 19:53.18 | PerfDave | klynck: I don't use Knoppix, I use Debian :) |
| 19:53.22 | klynck | lol |
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| 19:53.29 | _sniker_ | rbochan: floppy to the net... |
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| 19:53.45 | rbochan | that would by why then, no bose install until it's grabbebd from the net |
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| 19:53.55 | KimuSan^ | PerfDave: thanx |
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| 19:54.00 | _sniker_ | cbecht: no, i don't have a base system installed... |
| 19:54.17 | cbecht | _sniker_: That makes a bit more sense then |
| 19:54.31 | rbochan | pwd /mnt/cdrom/pool/main/n |
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| 19:54.42 | _sniker_ | rbochan: i'm using a netinstall floppu based... |
| 19:54.54 | rbochan | netbase, netcfg, and netkit-telnet are there |
| 19:55.01 | rbochan | and net-tools |
| 19:55.01 | abrotman | i have a floppu drive! |
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| 19:55.13 | OUTsider | congratulations with your ancient devide |
| 19:55.17 | OUTsider | s/devide/device |
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| 19:55.20 | rbochan | _sniker_: is this a laptop with no cdrom or something? |
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| 19:55.54 | rbochan | heh, netkit-ping is there too |
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| 19:56.00 | HWolf | Does anyone here know how to compile the kernel modules for lirc? |
| 19:56.02 | _sniker_ | rbochan: it's an old pc without a cdrom |
| 19:56.18 | rbochan | obscure network card or something? |
| 19:56.20 | PerfDave | HWolf: With module-assistant? |
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| 19:56.28 | minimec | HWolf: what ir-dongle are you using? |
| 19:56.37 | rbochan | _sniker_: I came in late so I don't know all the poop on your situation |
| 19:56.54 | poonj | hey guys, I have a module that I want to load up at bootup. which file do I configure to do that? |
| 19:57.02 | abrotman | poonj: modconf |
| 19:57.08 | abrotman | or /etc/modules |
| 19:57.08 | rbochan | poonj: modconf |
| 19:57.10 | rbochan | heh |
| 19:57.12 | poonj | okay |
| 19:57.12 | HWolf | PerfDave, yeah, I've installed it, but not used it, and I haven't build anything in ages |
| 19:57.22 | edwards | how to install gallery only for a special user using apt-get install |
| 19:57.28 | PerfDave | HWolf: Just type "module-assistant" |
| 19:57.33 | HWolf | minimec, I'm using a homebrew thing connected to com1 |
| 19:57.37 | ke6isf | Considering what I have at http://chez-vrolet.net/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/, what am I missing if I want to provide an unofficial archive for package sclj? |
| 19:57.40 | _sniker_ | rbochan: the nic is an realtek 8139too, but i'm unable to go on the net |
| 19:57.46 | cbecht | rbochan: The interface is manually configured, there's no dhcp. ifconfig shows it as up, with the correct ip and netmask, but another machine in the subnet can't ping it, and it can't reach out to the mirrors to get the install files. |
| 19:57.48 | abyss | is this really needed to get an webbased java irc client to work ? |
| 19:57.57 | rbochan | weirdness |
| 19:58.03 | abrotman | abyss: as opposed to ? |
| 19:58.04 | PerfDave | abyss: Use a real IRC client? ;) |
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| 19:58.08 | rbochan | isn't therre more than 1 8139 module? |
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| 19:58.19 | cbecht | rbochan: Yeah, rtl8139 and 8139too |
| 19:58.29 | rbochan | and I take it you've tried both |
| 19:58.40 | cbecht | rbochan: Actually, no. |
| 19:58.44 | rbochan | can't hurt |
| 19:58.56 | Schiz0 | abyss- looking for a irc client? |
| 19:58.58 | cbecht | _sniker_: What do you get from 'lsmod' that has 8139 in it? |
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| 19:59.06 | Rawplayer | where can i get xorg package for debian? |
| 19:59.08 | ke6isf | abyss: Use xchat. |
| 19:59.17 | cbecht | rbochan: Good idea, it's worth a shot. |
| 19:59.18 | ke6isf | !dpkg tell Rawplayer about xorg |
| 19:59.20 | rbochan | Rawplayer: read the channel topic |
| 19:59.22 | HWolf | PerfDave, I've followed the instructions, now how can I test if it works? |
| 19:59.25 | Rawplayer | ye sorry |
| 19:59.25 | abyss | hmm thinkin im in there |
| 19:59.26 | Rawplayer | hehe |
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| 19:59.30 | minimec | HWolf: if you're a lucky man, you don't even need a kernel module. use a serial ir-dongle from the Pinnacle TV-Card. When I started to configure lirc, the software told me, that no kernel module was needed |
| 19:59.32 | _sniker_ | cbecht: no i try... |
| 19:59.35 | abyss | but its not very comfortable |
| 19:59.36 | Schiz0 | Yeah use xchat abyss, it has a systray package too, xchat owns. |
| 19:59.38 | Rawplayer | but i saw a link otherday with url to xorg package |
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| 19:59.40 | rbochan | cbecht: can't get much worse off than already ;) |
| 19:59.41 | ufoalien | Rawplayer: hrrrmmm... shit, read the topic man! |
| 19:59.47 | cbecht | _sniker_: Nutbunnies. |
| 20:00.03 | abyss | like perform etc. |
| 20:00.13 | HWolf | minimec, I know the hardware is correct, I've got a decent config file, but I can't pinpiont where the problem is in linux, can you help me? |
| 20:00.20 | rbochan | _sniker_: you sure you aren't using a x-over cable? |
| 20:00.24 | edwards | how to install gallery only for a special user using apt-get install?? |
| 20:00.32 | HWolf | minimec, it's functional under windows, but not under tux, that's all I know |
| 20:00.52 | cbecht | _sniker_: When you ping the linux machine fromt the other machine on the network, do both activity lights on the switch blink, and does the activity light on the linux machine's nic blink? |
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| 20:00.55 | _sniker_ | cbecht: 8139too 12136 1 |
| 20:00.58 | abrotman | edwards: why only one user ? |
| 20:01.19 | abyss | how this systray works? |
| 20:01.20 | cbecht | _sniker_: And you've tried the rtl8139 module as well? |
| 20:01.21 | edwards | gallery had always vul. |
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| 20:01.33 | edwards | and that user is jaild |
| 20:01.38 | defcon8 | can anyone help me with my ipod on debian please? it doesnt seem to detect my ipod. |
| 20:01.56 | defcon8 | i mean like getting to the stage where it says do not disconnect. it just charges |
| 20:02.09 | rbochan | cbecht: do you know that pasting url thingie? |
| 20:02.13 | edwards | I can compromise that user, but not the hole server |
| 20:02.17 | rbochan | !paste |
| 20:02.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 20:02.23 | edwards | abrotman, then? |
| 20:02.35 | abyss | Schiz0, ive installed the systray tool but how it works? |
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| 20:02.41 | abrotman | edwards: uhm .. i'd try asking #php or #apache |
| 20:02.49 | minimec | HWolf: At the time I downloaded the latest CVS from lirc and used the install.sh. It is some kind of tool to choose your config. red the Install notes of the CVS. It is quiet simple... |
| 20:02.58 | edwards | is using apt-get |
| 20:02.59 | edwards | :) |
| 20:03.00 | transgress | hey does anyone know how i can make my nic act as if it were a 10mbit card? |
| 20:03.08 | transgress | it's a gigabit card |
| 20:03.11 | abrotman | edwards: i realize that .. but you're asking how to configure php/apache |
| 20:03.11 | Schiz0 | abyss- restart xchat and it's a icon in the systray, allows you to minimise xchat and whatnot |
| 20:03.12 | HWolf | minimec, can i /msg you? |
| 20:03.17 | edwards | no |
| 20:03.18 | abrotman | edwards: and not in a basic manner |
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| 20:03.27 | _sniker_ | cbecht: only the led on the swith blink, no that on the nic. I've try only the 8139too module |
| 20:03.28 | Schiz0 | abyss- you can configure alerts and stuff |
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| 20:03.34 | defcon8 | please anyone it is importanrt |
| 20:03.34 | edwards | I was asking how to install the with apt-get install gallery OPTION |
| 20:03.36 | edwards | if exist |
| 20:03.44 | takatumi | tarzeau! |
| 20:03.46 | minimec | HWolf: will be back in 5 minutes. then I am ready for you, ok ? |
| 20:03.49 | ke6isf | transgress: Hook it up to a 10baseT hub. |
| 20:03.59 | HWolf | minimec, surely. :) |
| 20:04.03 | cbecht | _sniker_: Ok, try 'rmmod 8139too' and 'modprobe rtl8139' |
| 20:04.04 | abrotman | edwards: you'd have to install gallery like a normal thing .. but configure apache/php to only allow that user to use it .. which is why i suggested #apache or #php |
| 20:04.26 | transgress | seems like there was a way to do it w/ a command... |
| 20:04.31 | cbecht | _sniker_: But the activity light not blinking on teh NIC is *real* suspicious. |
| 20:04.44 | rbochan | yup |
| 20:04.50 | ke6isf | transgress: Woudln't know, but that seems to me to be the most logical way to do it. |
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| 20:04.56 | rbochan | cbecht: that's why I saked about a x-over cable |
| 20:05.02 | ke6isf | transgress: That said, I'm curious, why would you need to do that? |
| 20:05.08 | _sniker_ | rmmod: not found... |
| 20:05.19 | rbochan | _sniker_: try /sbin/rmmod |
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| 20:05.22 | cbecht | rbochan: Yeah, I'm thinking cable at this point. |
| 20:05.23 | edwards | I know how to configure that, Ok, I was thinking is a apt-get install OPTION , I can do that manualy |
| 20:05.40 | defcon8 | ok how about. how do i add scsi support to debian etch? |
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| 20:05.58 | cbecht | defcon8: Compile it into the kernel? |
| 20:06.05 | defcon8 | i am using the debian image |
| 20:06.05 | _sniker_ | cbecht: nothing... |
| 20:06.07 | transgress | ke6isf: well i keep getting this terrible latency ... like it'll take about 4 or 5 seconds to connect to a service... if not more... then it'll connect and it'll be fine... router manual suggested dropping to 10mbit and see if it gets fixed |
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| 20:06.12 | defcon8 | how do i get debian to dl the sources? |
| 20:06.21 | abrotman | use a deb-src line ? |
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| 20:06.34 | cbecht | defcon8: Or a web browser. Sheesh. |
| 20:06.52 | rbochan | defcon8: you _really_ need to check this out: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 20:06.54 | cbecht | _sniker_: Did you ever get a chance to swap cables? |
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| 20:07.27 | defcon8 | ok can you just tell me how to get the kernel source of give me a link on how to get it please |
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| 20:07.40 | abrotman | !tell defcon8 about kp |
| 20:07.40 | _sniker_ | cbecht: now i go to search if i've another cable... |
| 20:07.41 | rbochan | I just did |
| 20:08.15 | cbecht | defcon8: kernel.org. Also, I hear google is nice. |
| 20:08.20 | _sniker_ | cbecht: i come back later... |
| 20:08.23 | Babbage | hello |
| 20:08.28 | ke6isf | transgress: I could be wrong, but it sounds just like the card is trying to negotiate at 1gb. Perhaps change it at the router - I'd think this would cause it to negot. correctly. |
| 20:08.29 | defcon8 | i hear in my head that the plain kernel may not suit deb ian |
| 20:08.34 | cbecht | _sniker_: Cool. I may not be here when you get back though. Just so you know. |
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| 20:08.52 | abrotman | !tell defcon8 about kp |
| 20:08.54 | defcon8 | but i dunno |
| 20:08.59 | rbochan | cbecht: issue a trouble ticket now :P |
| 20:09.00 | defcon8 | yeah ,i am looking at kp right now |
| 20:09.21 | InsaneInside | Question here: I've got two Debian boxes connected to my router. One is having trouble with name resolution, as though it doesn't know the DNS server to query (192.168.0.1). The other box is just fine. How do I fix this? |
| 20:09.29 | transgress | ke6isf: if i could find something to change at the router i would... |
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| 20:10.08 | ke6isf | transgress: Does the router not come with some sort of a web interface? |
| 20:10.30 | Babbage | Unix history question - what came first, "find -exec" or xargs? |
| 20:10.32 | _sniker_ | cbecht: ok, don't worry... if i don't see you later, i want say thanks to you... |
| 20:10.45 | cbecht | _sniker_: No problem. Before you go, one idea.... |
| 20:10.45 | transgress | ke6isf: yeah i know how to get to that... i did just find the MTU on it... i dropped it down a good bit |
| 20:10.56 | transgress | ke6isf: it's a linksys BEFsomethingorother |
| 20:11.02 | cbecht | _sniker_: If you can't find a spare cable, you could steal the one from teh other machine, since you know it's good. |
| 20:11.10 | transgress | brb gonna ifdown ifup |
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| 20:11.36 | ke6isf | InsaneInside: First place I'd look is /etc/resolv.conf and doublecheck the order. |
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| 20:12.10 | InsaneInside | ke6isf: hey, didn't think of that... heh. thanks! |
| 20:12.45 | orjan | After a reboot of a sarge box I can't get a new lease, dhcp is dhclient3. Error msg: network is down. What to check? |
| 20:12.48 | ke6isf | InsaneInside: Gladly. |
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| 20:14.31 | abrotman | rbochan: file a bug |
| 20:14.35 | abrotman | wishlist bug |
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| 20:14.48 | rbochan | abrotman: you think? |
| 20:14.52 | paulswm | Babbage: find -exec I expect. In my copy of kernigan and Pike's Unix Programming Environment from 1984, find is mentioned but xargs isn't. |
| 20:15.12 | bernouli | is it true that ethereal can determine which firewall is running? |
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| 20:15.23 | InsaneInside | ke6isf: alright, name resolution is working, but now it's saying "network is unreachable". It can ping all other machines on the lan, plus I'm SSHing to it to change stuff. Any idea? |
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| 20:15.50 | InsaneInside | ke6isf: (it had been talking to the rest of the lan before, just couldn't resolve stuff...) |
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| 20:16.03 | sniker | cbecht: i've swap the cables, but nothing to do... |
| 20:16.06 | ke6isf | InsaneInside: Firewall/router, perhaps? |
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| 20:17.00 | ke6isf | InsaneInside: Can you ping google from that box? |
| 20:17.03 | InsaneInside | ke6isf: Maybe. But the machine I'm on is configured exactly the same. |
| 20:17.05 | cbecht | sniker: So, still no connection? |
| 20:17.08 | InsaneInside | ke6isf: This one? |
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| 20:17.21 | ke6isf | InsaneInside: The one that's having issues. |
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| 20:17.46 | orjan | After a reboot of a sarge box I can't get a new lease, dhcp is dhclient3. Error msg: network is down. The internet connection itself is up. What to check? |
| 20:17.48 | InsaneInside | "ping: sendto: Network is unreachable" |
| 20:17.52 | sniker | cbecht: no, no connection... |
| 20:18.19 | ke6isf | InsaneInside: Do 'dig +a google.com +trace'. What happens? |
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| 20:18.49 | cbecht | sniker: I'm out of ideas. Also, I need to go now. Good luck. |
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| 20:18.58 | Eulex | anyone know a linux tool that converts .img to .iso? |
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| 20:19.17 | InsaneInside | ke6isf: "Invalid option: +a" :P |
| 20:19.24 | InsaneInside | ke6isf: +all, then? |
| 20:19.27 | rbochan | Eulex: there use to be a kchunker thing |
| 20:19.34 | ke6isf | InsaneInside: Just try 'dig a etc'. My bad. |
| 20:19.35 | rbochan | alal win32 binchunker |
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| 20:19.44 | Eulex | rbochan, will check that out |
| 20:20.00 | rbochan | binchunker also runs under wine |
| 20:20.44 | sniker | cbecht: ok, don't worry. thanks for the time that you have spent for me :-) |
| 20:21.48 | Eulex | rbochan, I found this: http://he.fi/bchunk/ |
| 20:22.00 | overclocker | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.03 | rbochan | that should do it |
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| 20:22.35 | ke6isf | InsaneInside: So your nameserver seems to know to get as far as the root servers, but something can't go any farther. Can you ping google from the NS, just to be sure? |
| 20:22.36 | rbochan | if not, it's only a few k download wasted |
| 20:22.50 | hcy | would someone please remind me how to partition/format a disk as ext3 ? is it with cfdisk /dev/sdc ? |
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| 20:23.10 | hcy | bought a new 160G external HDD today, and i want to format it all into one gigantic ext3 partition |
| 20:23.16 | ke6isf | hcy: Something like mkfs -t ext3, IIRC. |
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| 20:23.18 | Eulex | rbochan, binchunker for linux was in debian, so I didn't even have to d/l that thing from that homepage :) |
| 20:23.25 | Eulex | just apt-get it... |
| 20:23.29 | InsaneInside | ke6isf: You mean, from the machine 192.168.0.1, ping google? |
| 20:23.33 | ke6isf | Yep. |
| 20:23.35 | rbochan | nice |
| 20:23.43 | InsaneInside | ke6isf: will do |
| 20:23.50 | rbochan | Eulex: google brings up a ton of hits for "img to iso" linux as well |
| 20:24.37 | InsaneInside | ke6isf: Yep. Works as expected. |
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| 20:24.53 | rbochan | Eulex: you could just try renaming it too, and then mount it as a loop device |
| 20:24.58 | hcy | it's cfdisk... |
| 20:24.58 | ke6isf | Then that particular machine is probably unable to exit; perhaps a firewall/routing issue, which is outside of my expertise. |
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| 20:25.13 | Eulex | rbochan, I did try that |
| 20:25.14 | hcy | now which number is for ext3... |
| 20:25.18 | rbochan | i.e. mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/foo.iso /mnt/cdrom |
| 20:25.19 | rbochan | oh ok |
| 20:25.44 | sniker | exit |
| 20:25.45 | hcy | is it "83 Linux"? or "85 Linux extended" ? |
| 20:25.54 | ke6isf | hcy: Always 83. |
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| 20:26.08 | hcy | ke6isf: what's 85 then? |
| 20:26.24 | ke6isf | hcy: Extended partition? Dunno, I never use extendeds. |
| 20:26.27 | Eulex | rbochan, it worked fine after I had converted it into iso |
| 20:26.47 | ke6isf | I haven't used extended partitions since I used DOS up until 1998. |
| 20:26.54 | hcy | ke6isf: ok, so is this going to make ext2, and then i'll need to do something to turn it into ext3 ? |
| 20:26.55 | rbochan | Eulex: this looks nifty too http://kiso.sourceforge.net/info_ks.php |
| 20:27.02 | ufoalien | hm. which file system has got the number 23, fat? M) |
| 20:27.04 | ufoalien | ;) |
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| 20:27.18 | valdyn | hcy: extended partition is now useful to have more than 4 partitions ( on 1 disk ) |
| 20:27.19 | ke6isf | hcy: fdisk will make a partition; either mkfs or the filesystem creator will make the filesys to your specifications. |
| 20:27.27 | arch_ | Hi all... How do I figure out which package contains a specific file? |
| 20:27.35 | ke6isf | valdyn: Thanks, didn't know that. =^^= |
| 20:27.36 | ufoalien | arch_: apt-file |
| 20:27.48 | hcy | ah ok |
| 20:27.49 | rbochan | arch_: or http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
| 20:27.50 | Eulex | rbochan, it worked fine after using bchunk to convert it to iso and then mounting it |
| 20:27.57 | rbochan | right on |
| 20:27.58 | ufoalien | arch_: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search <file> |
| 20:28.05 | InsaneInside | ke6isf: Well, thanks for your help, in any case. At least I know where to start looking now. :) |
| 20:28.16 | ke6isf | InsaneInside: Gladly. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. |
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| 20:28.19 | arch_ | thx |
| 20:28.39 | error403 | i was wondering, are there any good applications for emulating .ISO cd images under linux? |
| 20:28.43 | valdyn | hcy: however changing the type ID does not change the partition type |
| 20:28.58 | rbochan | err0rr: mounting as a loop device |
| 20:28.59 | Eulex | rbochan, thanks |
| 20:29.04 | liable | InsaneInside: is gateway set in interfaces? |
| 20:29.04 | error403 | ahhh |
| 20:29.04 | rbochan | i.e. mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/foo.iso /mnt/cdrom |
| 20:29.06 | hcy | oh, so now that i've done cfdisk to partition it, how do i make the filesystem? (ext3) |
| 20:29.11 | rbochan | Eulex: good lcuk |
| 20:29.18 | hcy | mkfs? |
| 20:29.19 | error403 | i see rbochan,thanks... |
| 20:29.24 | valdyn | hcy: mkfs.ext3 /dev/whatever |
| 20:29.31 | rbochan | np |
| 20:29.33 | hcy | cool, thanks |
| 20:29.39 | ke6isf | hcy: what valdyn said. =^^= |
| 20:29.54 | hcy | thanks |
| 20:29.55 | error403 | valdyn, can you also use 'mke2fs -j' for what you just did? |
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| 20:30.21 | InsaneInside | liable: No, but on the other hand, it's not set on the working machine either. |
| 20:30.21 | hcy | why does it say "2000995 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user ? |
| 20:30.36 | rbochan | hcy: that's where the journal lives |
| 20:30.37 | liable | InsaneInside: staic or dhcp? |
| 20:30.44 | hcy | rbochan: ah, nice |
| 20:30.46 | liable | *static |
| 20:30.58 | valdyn | hcy: b/c that is what the default settings do, users wont be able to fill the disk completely, root will ( 'man tune2fs' ) |
| 20:31.09 | error403 | another thing... is there any way to make a 1:1 cd copy from linux? |
| 20:31.16 | hcy | valdyn: is that a good thing? |
| 20:31.17 | InsaneInside | liable: static for the affected machine, staticly-assigned dhcp for the working one. |
| 20:31.19 | ke6isf | err0rr: k3b. |
| 20:31.19 | error403 | like, to an ISO image? |
| 20:31.22 | valdyn | hcy: and that has nothing to do w/ a journal. |
| 20:31.27 | ke6isf | oops... error403 rather. |
| 20:31.32 | hcy | valdyn: ok... |
| 20:31.35 | InsaneInside | liable: hey, working! |
| 20:31.37 | InsaneInside | Yeah. |
| 20:31.38 | hcy | valdyn: is that good, though? |
| 20:31.41 | rbochan | err0rr: any cd burning util should be able to |
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| 20:31.43 | liable | InsaneInside: :) |
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| 20:31.52 | rbochan | oops |
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| 20:31.58 | rbochan | error403: any cd burning util should be able to |
| 20:32.01 | error403 | ke6isf, will that make it exactly 1:1, like with all data position, protection, etc still in tact? |
| 20:32.08 | InsaneInside | liable: I need to add the route entry default gateway 192.168.0.1... |
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| 20:32.23 | error403 | rbochan, same question as i asked ke6isf |
| 20:32.27 | valdyn | hcy: certainly if /tmp or /var/log ( among others ) is on it, yea. Up to you. |
| 20:32.41 | ke6isf | error403: Like rbochan sez, any utility should. I just prefer k3b. |
| 20:32.41 | rbochan | it should, yes |
| 20:32.42 | hcy | ok |
| 20:32.44 | InsaneInside | liable: thanks for the suggestion. |
| 20:32.52 | streuner | InsaneInside: use interfaces |
| 20:32.56 | hcy | valdyn: that can be adjusted with tune2fs ? |
| 20:33.05 | valdyn | hcy: yes |
| 20:33.14 | hcy | cool thanks for your help guys |
| 20:33.26 | slabing | I can use drbd on top MD devices (soft raid) ? |
| 20:33.32 | PeTeRB | Would dd make a valid .iso? |
| 20:33.38 | error403 | is the ability to make 1:1 copies under linux better than that under windows then? becuase most windows copying software just spits out bad sector errors... |
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| 20:33.57 | InsaneInside | PeTeRB: Yep. |
| 20:34.07 | rbochan | error403: because most win32 stuff is financed/overseen by the software companies |
| 20:34.13 | streuner | error403: go to #warez |
| 20:34.23 | error403 | im not on about warez here tho... |
| 20:34.24 | InsaneInside | PeTeRB: iso files are just straight disk images. |
| 20:34.35 | pureone | hehe |
| 20:34.36 | error403 | im on about making a CD image of a disc i already own... |
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| 20:34.46 | BURN | sera |
| 20:34.48 | BURN | italian? |
| 20:34.49 | FieldySnuts | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=whatever.iso |
| 20:34.52 | FieldySnuts | ~it |
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| 20:34.59 | rbochan | error403: you should yap with dvd john sometime... that's his shtick |
| 20:35.02 | PeTeRB | !it |
| 20:35.02 | dpkg | hmm... italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 20:35.24 | FieldySnuts | apt: it is <reply> italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:35.24 | apt | okay, FieldySnuts |
| 20:35.46 | valdyn | error403: bad sectores cannot be copied, period. How they are treated depends on your tool, on windows just as on linux. |
| 20:36.00 | error403 | right... |
| 20:36.14 | error403 | so bad-sector based protection is unbeatable then... |
| 20:36.16 | error403 | >.< |
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| 20:36.26 | error403 | because i prefer to run all my games from CD image... |
| 20:36.26 | valdyn | error403: no, why? |
| 20:37.22 | rbochan | error403: iirc, some of those "bad sectors" are put there purposely by the manufacturuer, and they load a temp driver into memory to read or ignore them |
| 20:37.22 | error403 | so i want to be able to rip a 1:1 copy, and then emulate it.. |
| 20:37.22 | error403 | rbochan, so how to get around it? |
| 20:37.22 | rbochan | it's been forever since I mess with wingames |
| 20:37.22 | slabing | I can use drbd on top MD devices (soft raid) ? |
| 20:37.22 | valdyn | error403: bad sectors _cannot_ be copied 1:1, but that is not required either. |
| 20:37.22 | FieldySnuts | not give lame manufacturers of such disabled disks money |
| 20:37.28 | rbochan | FieldySnuts: exactly. |
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| 20:38.13 | error403 | valdyn, so will something like readcd (i think it is) ignore the bad sectors? |
| 20:38.32 | rbochan | error403: call/write the manufacturer and tell them you want a cd that comforms tothe ISO standards or to drop dead |
| 20:38.32 | valdyn | error403: no idea. |
| 20:38.54 | error403 | right.. |
| 20:39.20 | rbochan | if they won't listen to those who pay them, then they're not worth paying |
| 20:39.21 | hcy | ok question... it's a 160G harddrive, and i made one partition that takes up everything and then made that ext3. df -h, though, shows "size 151G, used 129M, avail 143G" . why's that? none of it should be used - i just created it and didn't put anything on it yet. And why only 151G? and why only 143G available? |
| 20:39.31 | valdyn | error403: you can try 'dd noerror' |
| 20:39.35 | kadigibox | Excuse me I need to know how I access my ghostscript settings |
| 20:40.30 | rbochan | hcy: is that 5%? |
| 20:40.30 | valdyn | error403: 'man dd' |
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| 20:40.30 | sleon|tuX | hi |
| 20:40.30 | error403 | valdyn, what about subchannel though? |
| 20:40.30 | hcy | rbochan: according to df, it's 1% |
| 20:40.30 | sleon|tuX | how can i use software raid parittion as rootparititon under debian? |
| 20:40.30 | sleon|tuX | do i need to change initrd for it? |
| 20:40.30 | PeTeRB | hcy: No, the 5% reserved for root |
| 20:40.30 | rbochan | and a 160 G drive isn't really 160 G |
| 20:40.44 | hcy | inside cfdisk, the size of the partition is 163921.61 M |
| 20:40.51 | rbochan | drive manufaturers rarely use the 1024 counts |
| 20:41.08 | valdyn | hcy: 160G disks have 16000000000 bytes, 160GiB as shown by df is 16x2^30 |
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| 20:41.24 | zoom | umm how can I remove a directory called '--help' which I created by accident? |
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| 20:41.25 | rbochan | valdyn: thanks, my math is the pits :P |
| 20:41.30 | hcy | valdyn: weird |
| 20:41.35 | kaol | zoom: rm ./--help |
| 20:41.40 | hcy | valdyn: and whats the 129M used up? |
| 20:41.41 | zoom | thx much |
| 20:41.44 | valdyn | hcy: no, marketing. |
| 20:41.47 | streuner | zoom: or install mc |
| 20:41.52 | nksen | zoom: lol. created by accident. tried mkdir --help? :) |
| 20:41.53 | valdyn | hcy: the journal |
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| 20:42.02 | hcy | valdyn: ok :) |
| 20:42.19 | kaol | zoom: or actually rm -r or rmdir since it's a dir. but you get the idea. |
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| 20:42.33 | zoom | got it.. it's gone.. thx again |
| 20:42.37 | nksen | kaol: his problem is, that there is a metacharacter at the start of the directory name |
| 20:42.41 | snowshelbi | hi, how do i upgrade kde to the latest version on debian? |
| 20:42.51 | rbochan | gah |
| 20:42.51 | abrotman | snowshelbi: which version do you want ? |
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| 20:43.11 | streuner | Snow-Man: in order to get 3.4 you need to install unstable... |
| 20:43.26 | snowshelbi | ah, that's what i thought... |
| 20:43.28 | Wyzard|TP | Please don't upgrade to unstable just to get KDE 3.4 |
| 20:43.36 | Fleck | how to speed up X11 ? |
| 20:43.37 | streuner | snowshelbi: in order to get 3.4 you need to install unstable... |
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| 20:43.52 | snowshelbi | so if i have a stable version then i am stuck with 3.3? |
| 20:43.55 | streuner | Fleck: buy a bette videocard? |
| 20:44.00 | Wyzard|TP | Or at least, if you do, don't complain here when unstable breaks |
| 20:44.04 | Fleck | streuner nope |
| 20:44.06 | streuner | Fleck: s/bette/better/ |
| 20:44.11 | abrotman | snowshelbi: yes |
| 20:47.04 | rbochan | streuner: not neccisarily the case, but one needs to know what one's doing before trying |
| 20:47.04 | snowshelbi | alright, just wanted to make sure then. thanks :) |
| 20:47.04 | streuner | Fleck: ok, get more RAM? |
| 20:47.04 | Fleck | streuner nope not hw ... |
| 20:47.04 | Wyzard|TP | snowshelbi: backports.org might have packages... if not yet, then eventually |
| 20:47.04 | abrotman | Fleck: you have a decent vid card and enough RAM ? |
| 20:47.04 | streuner | Fleck: so what the fuck is wrong? |
| 20:47.04 | rbochan | snowshelbi: you might check backports.org |
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| 20:47.05 | rbochan | if it's not there already, it most likely will be soon |
| 20:47.05 | Fleck | streuner well for example, FF opens 10 times slower than it does on win :( |
| 20:47.05 | abrotman | Fleck: how much ram .. what video card ? |
| 20:47.05 | streuner | FF? |
| 20:47.05 | Fleck | FireFox |
| 20:47.05 | rbochan | streuner: french fries |
| 20:47.05 | transgress | okay so i've established it's not the router, it's not the line, what it actually appears to be is linux... does anyone know why my connection can be freaking awful in linux and grand in windows? |
| 20:47.05 | FieldySnuts | ~vague |
| 20:47.05 | apt | vague is probably Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
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| 20:47.05 | Fleck | abrotman video is OK and RAM also |
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| 20:47.05 | abrotman | Fleck: try not to be so vague .. what video card .. how much ram |
| 20:47.05 | nksen | transgress: define connection |
| 20:47.06 | Wyzard|TP | transgress: Esoteric network card with a buggy driver? |
| 20:47.06 | snowshelbi | alright, i will read what's backports about. thanks |
| 20:47.06 | rbochan | id 10 t error? |
| 20:47.06 | valdyn | Fleck: apt-cache show prelink |
| 20:47.14 | valdyn | Fleck: and beside that startup time hardly ever has anything to do with "X" |
| 20:47.16 | transgress | nksen: well i can get an IP, i can get online, but everything takes about 5-10 seconds to actually connect... so if i wanna go to a website... it sits for a while... then loads the site |
| 20:47.26 | FieldySnuts | apt: no, vague is <reply> Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 20:47.26 | apt | okay, FieldySnuts |
| 20:47.27 | transgress | Wyzard|TP: same stuff i've been using for over a year now. |
| 20:47.41 | Wyzard|TP | transgress: It used to work fine in Debian? |
| 20:47.54 | Fleck | valdyn now we talkin' |
| 20:47.55 | Fleck | ;) |
| 20:47.57 | transgress | Wyzard|TP: yes... and this isn't only in debian... had the same problem on my gentoo box |
| 20:48.03 | nksen | transgress: sounds like a slow name resolution. try typing the ip directly in the browser |
| 20:48.04 | abrotman | Fleck: how much ram do you have ? |
| 20:48.14 | Fleck | abrotman :)) ok well 512 :) |
| 20:48.23 | abrotman | Fleck: and which WM are you using ? |
| 20:48.24 | zinosat | my svn repository is "root staff svnrepo". I added my user to the staff group but cannot commit. what else should I do? |
| 20:48.31 | Fleck | abrotman Flux |
| 20:48.40 | abrotman | Fleck: and you mucked with hdparm ? |
| 20:48.47 | abrotman | and your CPU is fast enough? |
| 20:48.55 | Fleck | P4 HP enabled kernel |
| 20:48.59 | Fleck | hdparm is OK |
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| 20:49.11 | transgress | nksen: whoa... okay... yeah that does seem to be the problem... is there anyway i can fix this? |
| 20:49.32 | nksen | transgress: check your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:49.40 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: During the time FF is starting, do you see lots of disk activity? Lots of CPU usage? |
| 20:49.54 | Fleck | Wyzard dunno wait |
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| 20:49.57 | transgress | nksen: okay not quite sure what i'm looking for... |
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| 20:50.22 | Fleck | Wyzard nope CPU usage 14% +/- |
| 20:50.32 | nksen | transgress: well check your name server settings. normally it's the one of your IP or you set up one on your router and take this one |
| 20:50.33 | Fleck | HDD - little bit |
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| 20:50.42 | abrotman | Fleck: does it start faster the second time ? |
| 20:50.43 | nksen | transgress: s/IP/provider |
| 20:50.50 | nksen | ISP that is |
| 20:50.59 | Fleck | abrotman sure ... but anyway ... |
| 20:51.00 | Fleck | slow |
| 20:51.03 | transgress | nksen: well i have "search" and then three nameservers listed |
| 20:51.06 | streuner | Fleck: are you running firecrap in slack? |
| 20:51.11 | Fleck | for example - IE starts in 1 sec |
| 20:51.24 | Fleck | streuner ? |
| 20:51.27 | Wyzard|TP | transgress: Check that those nameservers are the same ones as Windows uses |
| 20:51.28 | crashbg | how can i view current dhcp3-server leases? |
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| 20:51.35 | rbochan | zoinks |
| 20:51.35 | nksen | transgress: do you use dhcp? |
| 20:51.35 | transgress | Wyzard|TP: k |
| 20:51.39 | transgress | nksen: yes |
| 20:51.53 | ephemeros | DemoRecorder® prelaunch |
| 20:51.53 | ephemeros | Create Screen Videos on Linux |
| 20:51.53 | ephemeros | Download a free 30 day trial of DemoRecorder® (technical preview) here. |
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| 20:51.56 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: IE pre-loads most of itself when you log in, which is why it opens its window quickly when you "run" it |
| 20:51.59 | abrotman | Fleck: IE starts in 1 sec because win32 loads it before you click the icon |
| 20:52.01 | ephemeros | DemoRecorder® prelaunch |
| 20:52.02 | ephemeros | Create Screen Videos on Linux |
| 20:52.02 | ephemeros | Download a free 30 day trial of DemoRecorder® (technical preview) here. |
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| 20:52.05 | transgress | nksen: and ordinarly a router, but right now i'm direct connected to the modem trying to find the problem |
| 20:52.10 | streuner | good bot |
| 20:52.24 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: The Mozilla Suite has a similar feature in Windows, but FF doesn't AFAIK |
| 20:52.24 | Fleck | allright |
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| 20:52.29 | Fleck | can i do something similar to Linux and FF ? |
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| 20:52.40 | kaiowa | how could i listen a wma file? |
| 20:52.47 | transgress | kaiowa: get the w32codecs from marillat |
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| 20:52.56 | crashbg | kaiowa, u need win32 codecs |
| 20:52.56 | streuner | kaiowa: install the codecs |
| 20:52.57 | MobyTurbo | kaiowa: mplayer or vlc |
| 20:53.00 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 20:53.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:53.01 | nksen | transgress: well i don't know the correct name servers settings for your isp |
| 20:53.09 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: If FF is already running, and you run it again, does it open more quickly the second time? |
| 20:53.09 | kaiowa | ok, thanks |
| 20:53.30 | Fleck | Wyzard sure it does |
| 20:53.31 | CrocoJet | does anyone knows where I can find drivers (linux debian) webcam go plus - usb creative? |
| 20:53.34 | transgress | nksen: ima hop on the windoze box and see what the nameservers are on it |
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| 20:53.44 | transgress | nksen: will the nameservers change when i hook back up through a router though? |
| 20:53.51 | streuner | Wyzard: for what does 'TP' in your nick stand for? |
| 20:54.00 | Wyzard|TP | streuner: ThinkPad... I'm using my laptop right now |
| 20:54.00 | jim | Damnit MobyTurbo! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:54.02 | rbochan | Town Portal |
| 20:54.16 | MobyTurbo | jim: :-) |
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| 20:54.21 | nksen | transgress: no. but actually I assume your router is a hardware router (?) and thus has a nameserver integrated |
| 20:54.23 | crashbg | i have free leases in my dhcp3-server config file but why is it giving me no free leases |
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| 20:54.38 | ineappleP | Is asterisk better than vgetty for simple voice mail? |
| 20:54.44 | transgress | nksen: linksys befsomethingorother ... or i could use the vonage one i guess heh |
| 20:54.47 | Wyzard|TP | nksen: Those things don't necessarily have built-in DNS |
| 20:54.50 | blizzard^ | I've began getting "cp: preserving times for `/etc/configuration-file.tmp': Operation not permitted since I upgraded to Sarge, ne ideas? |
| 20:54.51 | abrotman | ineappleP: they have a channel |
| 20:54.53 | nksen | transgress: you could just try to fill in the IP of your router to /etc/resolv.conf then and not with 'search' in front of it, but with 'nameserver IP' |
| 20:54.59 | ineappleP | 10-4 |
| 20:55.06 | nksen | Wyzard|TP: i know, but mostly |
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| 20:55.17 | abrotman | !asterisk |
| 20:55.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, asterisk is a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable |
| 20:55.26 | transgress | nksen: k |
| 20:55.26 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: Maybe you can configure your system to launch a minimized instance of FF automatically when you log in |
| 20:55.44 | orjan | After a reboot of a sarge box I can't get a new lease, dhcp is dhclient3. Error msg: network is down. The internet connection itself is up. What to check? |
| 20:55.49 | ineappleP | dpkg: but does it do voice mail? |
| 20:55.56 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 20:55.56 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 20:56.04 | abrotman | ineappleP: you have to ask #asterisk-stable |
| 20:56.10 | Fleck | Wyzard ok, it's not about FF only ... X-Chat ... works much slower than mIRC on windooze :( |
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| 20:56.25 | MobyTurbo | Fleck: run irssi in an xterm |
| 20:56.28 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: Launches slower, or actually runs slower? |
| 20:56.37 | Fleck | Wyzard runs ... |
| 20:56.38 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: I'm using xchat right now on a 700MHz laptop and it seems fine to me |
| 20:56.50 | Fleck | Wyzard scroll the text ... |
| 20:56.54 | abrotman | i thnik his box is fucked up |
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| 20:57.02 | Fleck | flows slowly ... |
| 20:57.10 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: Scrolls fine |
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| 20:57.21 | Dak | Is this true? if I want to delete a program from boot I have to delete it from /etc/inet.d and /etc/rc0.d /etc/rc1.d and so on.... |
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| 20:57.25 | abrotman | Fleck: i have a P4 2.4Ghz laptop with 768MB .. and xchat is basically instant .. FF is about 2 seconds |
| 20:57.36 | nksen | Dak: no. you have to read man update-rc.d |
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| 20:57.50 | nksen | Dak: or install rcconf or s.th. comparable |
| 20:57.56 | blizzard^ | login:/tmp# cp -p mark.log mark.log.tmp |
| 20:57.56 | blizzard^ | cplx: preserving times for `mark.log.tmp': Operation not permitted |
| 20:57.57 | blizzard^ | Why? |
| 20:58.08 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: If scrolling is sluggish, that'd probably be a video-card (or video-driver) thing |
| 20:58.14 | abrotman | Fleck: this is a debian box right ? |
| 20:58.19 | Fleck | abrotman yeah but on 500 with windooze, mIRC works like P4 2.4 ... :( why is that... maybe i don't have modules or something |
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| 20:58.34 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: Does your Windows box have an LCD screen? |
| 20:58.36 | Fleck | abrotman right! :)) i like deb |
| 20:58.38 | abrotman | because mirc is crap ? |
| 20:58.44 | Fleck | Wyzard nope CRT |
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| 20:59.21 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: Unless you have ClearType turned on (which you probably don't, and shouldn't, unless you're using an LCD), Windows doesn't anti-alias text at the sizes typically seen in IRC windows and other UI elements |
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| 20:59.41 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: GTK in X does anti-alias by default, which could concievably cause a slight slowdown on a slow computer |
| 20:59.55 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: though, as I said, it's just fine on this 700MHz Pentium-III laptop |
| 21:00.05 | abrotman | yeah .. and i didn't even use hdparm |
| 21:00.09 | Fleck | ok one good reason :) |
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| 21:00.26 | Fleck | maybe anymore reson ? |
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| 21:00.34 | Fleck | more reasons |
| 21:00.35 | abrotman | Fleck: have you been compiling your apps ? |
| 21:00.45 | Fleck | nope - apt-get |
| 21:00.51 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: What kind of video card are you using? |
| 21:00.59 | Fleck | well x-chat i did compile and kernel too |
| 21:01.11 | abrotman | while not a super big deal .. you have libc6-686 and a kernel-image-686 ? |
| 21:01.14 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: Why compile xchat? It's available packaged. |
| 21:01.16 | Fleck | Wyzard|TP nvidia |
| 21:01.18 | nksen | Fleck: already checked if your cpu runns with highest frequency possible? cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:01.24 | error403 | why compile kernel? |
| 21:01.29 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: Are you using nvidia's driver, or the "nv" one? |
| 21:01.30 | Fleck | nksen sure it does ;) |
| 21:01.34 | abrotman | Fleck: so .. you compiled xchat .. and complain it's slow ? |
| 21:01.35 | nksen | Fleck: no, it's not sure |
| 21:01.39 | Fleck | Wyzard|TP nvidias sure ;) |
| 21:01.45 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: hmm |
| 21:01.55 | Fleck | nksen ok then - i am sure it does |
| 21:01.55 | _rene_ | compiling kernels makes sense. if you want a minimal one with only the stuff you need. or put modules into it or... |
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| 21:02.04 | error403 | yeah |
| 21:02.09 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: My desktop system (800MHz, Geforce2, nvidia driver) also runs xchat just fine |
| 21:02.17 | nksen | compiling kernels by yourself mostly crashes the systems of people |
| 21:02.21 | error403 | but only on the SLOWEST machines does it make any difference... |
| 21:02.24 | nksen | because they're not skilled enough |
| 21:02.29 | transgre1s | okay... windows and linux both have the same nameservers |
| 21:02.30 | _rene_ | nksen: only if you don't know what you do :) |
| 21:02.33 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: are you irc'ing from the toilet ? |
| 21:02.35 | _rene_ | nksen: exactly :) |
| 21:02.44 | Wyzard|TP | abrotman: No, from a chair in my living room |
| 21:02.45 | error403 | nksen, ive never had a kernel compilation related crash |
| 21:02.52 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: but you've got TP! |
| 21:02.55 | Wyzard|TP | abrotman: using my ThinkPad :-) |
| 21:02.55 | shingouz | hmm... if i go from libc6 to libc6-i686, apt keeps the i386 version according to the simulation. should i remove --purge the libc6 after i have the libc6-i686 installed? |
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| 21:03.06 | transgre1s | nksen: got the same nameservers, but linux is still having the same problem |
| 21:03.09 | Fleck | kernel runs just fine ... so don't blame |
| 21:03.13 | _rene_ | shingouz: no |
| 21:03.22 | _rene_ | let it be there. |
| 21:03.22 | nksen | transgre1s: you mean the same as windows is using? |
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| 21:03.35 | Wyzard|TP | transgre1s: "dig www.debian.org" -- see how long that takes to return a result |
| 21:03.37 | abrotman | Fleck: we can blame it .. there's no telling what you've done to that kernel . it can cause your entire system to run like a 3 legged dog |
| 21:03.46 | transgre1s | nksen: yes |
| 21:03.57 | error403 | exactly |
| 21:03.58 | shingouz | _rene_: you sure? is there some specific reason to keep the 386 version too? |
| 21:04.03 | transgre1s | Wyzard|TP: took like no time |
| 21:04.05 | nksen | transgre1s: you deleted the serach line out of resolv.conf? |
| 21:04.10 | Fleck | abrotman ok then - i have at home deb kernel ... works same ... slow ... heh |
| 21:04.20 | abrotman | Fleck: so basically everything is slow ? |
| 21:04.22 | _rene_ | shingouz: yes. everything depends on the libc6 package... |
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| 21:04.27 | transgre1s | nksen: yes, but it keeps coming back everytime i ifup... |
| 21:04.30 | _rene_ | shingouz: the libc6-686 is just a add-on |
| 21:04.33 | Dak | How can I set the boot shell's resolution? |
| 21:04.33 | shingouz | i see.. |
| 21:04.36 | abrotman | Fleck: and the home machine is a P4-2.4 with 512MB ? |
| 21:04.41 | nksen | transgre1s: ah, cause of the dhcp |
| 21:04.44 | _rene_ | shingouz: it will automatically get used if you use a 686 processor and a 2.6 kernel |
| 21:04.51 | shingouz | cool |
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| 21:05.06 | _rene_ | if you have it installed of course :) |
| 21:05.16 | nksen | transgre1s: don't have experience in using dhcp a lot, sry |
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| 21:05.33 | Wyzard|TP | transgre1s: What I'd do if I were in your situation is use ethereal to capture the network traffic while loading a web page or something, and look at it to see if anything seems unusual |
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| 21:05.48 | Fleck | abrotman well no, but it runs slower than xp :( i dunno why thats why am i sitting there and hoping will find something, that would speed things up |
| 21:05.50 | shingouz | now if i could just find somewhere a nice small adapter that would let me use a normal external mic on my TP600. Andrea Electronics makes them but they are unobtainium in Finland :( |
| 21:05.54 | Wyzard|TP | transgress: but that might be difficult if you're not familiar with networking |
| 21:05.59 | abrotman | Fleck: what runs slower .. and how much slower ? |
| 21:06.09 | abrotman | if you say FF runs slower than IE .. i'm gonna fucking slug you :) |
| 21:06.12 | Fleck | abrotman X-Chat, FF ... |
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| 21:06.14 | shingouz | _rene_: P2-300 on a seriously patched 2.6.11.11 |
| 21:06.20 | Fleck | hehe |
| 21:06.34 | nksen | Wyzard|TP: it doesn't matter. it wouldn't help you in this situation though |
| 21:06.39 | abrotman | Fleck: if your machine doesn't load xchat's initial window basically immediately .. you've done something really bad to your machine |
| 21:06.40 | Fleck | abrotman ok OpenOffice opens sooo slow - Office 2003 - 1 sec |
| 21:06.50 | Dak | I'd like to see the boot's font smaller (I'd like to adjust the screen resolution)...how can I do this? |
| 21:06.55 | Wyzard|TP | nksen: Why not? |
| 21:06.59 | nksen | Dak: framebuffer |
| 21:07.14 | Dak | what is framebuffer? |
| 21:07.16 | nksen | Wyzard|TP: because it doesn't matter in this situation on which layer you are watching the network traffic. the breaks and pauses will be on any |
| 21:07.17 | abrotman | Fleck: You realize that MS loads up IE and large chunks of office before you ever try to start it .. right ? |
| 21:07.31 | Fleck | yep |
| 21:07.33 | nksen | Dak: a way to speak directly to your grpahics adapter. use google |
| 21:07.42 | Fleck | but can i do something like that in linux ??? |
| 21:07.43 | Dak | thanks |
| 21:07.46 | Wyzard|TP | nksen: Right, but it'd allow me to see exactly where (in terms of packets going back and forth) the delays are occurring |
| 21:07.48 | Fleck | thas my question |
| 21:07.49 | abrotman | Fleck: prelink |
| 21:08.06 | abrotman | Fleck: that's all i'm aware of |
| 21:08.09 | abrotman | !prelink |
| 21:08.09 | dpkg | prelink is, like, a program made by jakub jelinek (sp?) and can be found on the redhat servers in the /pub/jakub dir if i am not mistaken, or in sid now, but breaks tripwire (obviously) |
| 21:08.10 | Wyzard|TP | nksen: i.e. whether it's happening during DNS lookup, or opening a TCP connection, or whatever |
| 21:08.42 | nksen | Wyzard|TP: we actually already found out that the name resolution is the culprit |
| 21:08.46 | abrotman | !prelink =~ s/,or in sid now// |
| 21:08.46 | dpkg | that doesn't contain ',or in sid now', abrotman |
| 21:08.50 | PerfDave | Fleck: apt-cache search openoffice quick start |
| 21:08.51 | abrotman | the fuck it doesn't |
| 21:08.57 | Wyzard|TP | nksen: So we thought, but he said a DNS lookup with dig was quick |
| 21:08.57 | abrotman | !prelink =~ s/, or in sid now// |
| 21:08.58 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 21:09.13 | Fleck | PerfDave thanks :)) |
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| 21:09.46 | Wyzard|TP | abrotman: prelink *is* in sid |
| 21:09.59 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: it's in sarge/etch/sid ... no distinction required |
| 21:10.03 | Wyzard|TP | ah, ok |
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| 21:11.19 | abrotman | !prelink is also should make apps start faster |
| 21:11.19 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 21:13.53 | abrotman | !shuddup |
| 21:13.53 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 21:14.09 | tjostolf | Where do I configure lynx to open f.ex. audio files with f.ex. mp3blaster? |
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| 21:15.13 | Fleck | Wyzard|TP so you say - i better remove truetype ? |
| 21:15.32 | Fleck | and disable antialiasing |
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| 21:16.02 | jmark | anyone know what packages do I need to fetch with apt to enable dvd playback? |
| 21:16.10 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: No, the AA should have a negligible performance impact |
| 21:16.12 | Fleck | jmark kaffeine ? |
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| 21:16.37 | Fleck | Wyzard|TP please.. with simple words, my english is bad :( |
| 21:16.39 | plugwash | if i wan't to upgrade an etch system to 2.6 kernel which package should i use? |
| 21:16.45 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: It shouldn't make much difference |
| 21:16.51 | Fleck | ok :) |
| 21:16.53 | Wyzard|TP | plugwash: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 21:17.00 | Fleck | but true type ? |
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| 21:17.07 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: Also shouldn't make much difference |
| 21:17.12 | sh4dowcat | hmm |
| 21:17.13 | Fleck | ok :) |
| 21:17.19 | moparfan90 | does any here know a xbox live subsitution. like a hack or mod to play xbox live games online without xboxlive? |
| 21:17.23 | jmark | Fleck: does that come with all the proper codecs? |
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| 21:17.27 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: And restricting yourself to bitmap fonts is a big inconvenience |
| 21:17.32 | sh4dowcat | how exactly do you use a salt that's longer than two characters with mkpasswd? |
| 21:17.33 | abrotman | and ugly :) |
| 21:17.37 | Fleck | jmark uses xine :) afaik |
| 21:17.40 | abrotman | sh4dowcat: you can't afaik |
| 21:17.41 | Wyzard|TP | moparfan90: What does that have to do with Debian? |
| 21:17.48 | Eulex | Fleck, if it loads much from your hd, you may want to put it on a ramdisk on boot |
| 21:17.52 | sh4dowcat | abrotman: so I'm limited to two char passwords? |
| 21:17.53 | sh4dowcat | great |
| 21:17.56 | sh4dowcat | :/ |
| 21:17.57 | Fleck | Wyzard|TP again :) |
| 21:18.03 | abrotman | sh4dowcat: or use md5 like a normal person :) |
| 21:18.03 | moparfan90 | nothing. but there alot of people so maybe someone will know |
| 21:18.04 | CrocoJet | does anyone knows where I can find drivers (linux debian) webcam go plus - usb creative? |
| 21:18.06 | Fleck | Eulex yeah good idea ;) |
| 21:18.08 | jmark | Fleck: what is afaik? |
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| 21:18.16 | Fleck | as far as i know |
| 21:18.17 | sh4dowcat | abrotman: shrug |
| 21:18.20 | abrotman | sh4dowcat: did you read the man page for crypt ? |
| 21:18.21 | sh4dowcat | I'm reading the blootbot readme |
| 21:18.24 | transgress | nksen: Wyzard|TP: okay got it... just changed the nameservers to 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.1, turned search off... works fine now |
| 21:18.28 | sh4dowcat | tells me to use mkpasswd |
| 21:18.31 | sh4dowcat | what do I know |
| 21:18.32 | sh4dowcat | :/ |
| 21:18.33 | kaol | tjostolf: "man mailcap" is a good place to start read about that |
| 21:18.40 | CrocoJet | and if necessary ... because list lsusb |
| 21:18.47 | transgress | nksen: Wyzard|TP: one question though... in like 2 weeks when i reboot again... is it gonna reset those nameservers when it tries to connect at boot? |
| 21:18.53 | jmark | Fleck: ah, well I have it installed on my machine. |
| 21:18.54 | nksen | Wyzard|TP... so much for your assumption :) |
| 21:18.56 | Wyzard|TP | transgress: The search line is harmless... and those are pretty strange IP addresses |
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| 21:19.04 | abrotman | sh4dowcat: the problem .. do you see a way in the password file to tell any app how long the salt is ? |
| 21:19.11 | nksen | transgress: the dhcp will reset it, yep |
| 21:19.15 | Wyzard|TP | nksen: Not assumption... I asked him to "dig www.debian.org" and he said it was fast |
| 21:19.21 | nksen | transgress: how large is your homenetwork? why not setup manul IPs? |
| 21:19.25 | transgress | nksen: is there a way to stop it? |
| 21:19.28 | Wyzard|TP | transgress: You might want to take a look at the "resolvconf" package |
| 21:19.33 | Fleck | Wyzard|TP :) what was there about bitmaped fonts ? |
| 21:19.34 | nksen | Wyzard|TP: and your conclusion of that answer was wrong |
| 21:19.35 | sh4dowcat | abrotman: I'm just reading the readme |
| 21:19.36 | jmark | Fleck: is kaffeine better than xine? |
| 21:19.41 | sh4dowcat | not a lot of documentation |
| 21:19.43 | abrotman | sh4dowcat: man 3 crypt |
| 21:19.51 | Fleck | jmark dunno :) xines GUI is uggly (imo) |
| 21:19.58 | Fleck | kaffeine is QT based |
| 21:19.59 | Wyzard|TP | nksen: Wrong, but reasonable |
| 21:20.02 | abrotman | sh4dowcat: ah .. there is a section in there about longer salt |
| 21:20.07 | transgress | nksen: it's 2-3 computers depending |
| 21:20.10 | tjostolf | kaol: Thanks |
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| 21:20.14 | abrotman | sh4dowcat: er .. nope .. read it wrong |
| 21:20.16 | transgress | nksen: plus my vonage router too |
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| 21:20.23 | Eulex | Fleck, who needs a gui? use mplayer! |
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| 21:20.34 | Fleck | Eulex yep i like mplayer :) |
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| 21:20.39 | jmark | Fleck: but as long as it plays my dvds I wouldn't care |
| 21:20.40 | Althaser | how can i install java ? please |
| 21:20.41 | sh4dowcat | abrotman: hmm... |
| 21:20.44 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: Well, I assume that the reason you were asking about disabling TrueType fonts is because drawing them takes more processor work than drawing bitmap fonts |
| 21:20.44 | Fleck | and i use it |
| 21:20.44 | abrotman | sh4dowcat: you read the man page .. decide for yourself :) |
| 21:20.45 | kaol | tjostolf: short answer: put line audio/x-mp3: yourprogram '%s' into the right place in /etc/mailcap |
| 21:20.54 | Fleck | jmark then use it :) |
| 21:20.55 | nksen | transgress: so put manual IPs on every individual box. will speed up the boot process asides |
| 21:20.59 | Eulex | jmark, totem is good too |
| 21:21.00 | kaol | (I didn't test that, I hope it works) |
| 21:21.01 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: he has a HT machine .. should be quite fast enough |
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| 21:21.18 | Fleck | Wyzard|TP so better use bitmaped right ? |
| 21:21.23 | Wyzard|TP | abrotman: which is why I told him not to disable scalable fonts or AA in his quest for speed :-) |
| 21:21.25 | abrotman | Fleck: it will be UGLY |
| 21:21.26 | kaol | tjostolf: or create a .mailcap to your home directory instead |
| 21:21.34 | Fleck | abrotman ohh i see |
| 21:21.35 | abrotman | Fleck: think .. DOS/Win3.11 |
| 21:21.41 | jmark | downloading kaffeine now, hopefully that works for me |
| 21:21.43 | Fleck | ;) |
| 21:21.47 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: It will be a big inconvenience for a very very very tiny performance gain |
| 21:21.48 | transgress | nksen: the moment i figure that out... i will. |
| 21:21.59 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: need another very |
| 21:22.01 | tetsuo69 | totem is slow with divx |
| 21:22.05 | abrotman | !phillysmite Wyzard|TP |
| 21:22.06 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: Leave TrueType and antialiasing on |
| 21:22.08 | Wyzard|TP | lol |
| 21:22.18 | FieldySnuts | ~irritate tetsuo69 |
| 21:22.18 | apt | tetsuo69: Y iz debain so old? how can I make my lindows werkz U FUX0RZ |
| 21:22.32 | Fleck | Wyzard|TP ok :)) thank you all guys for helping out :) |
| 21:22.40 | Fleck | i pr.... that |
| 21:22.48 | Fleck | (forget the word :( ) |
| 21:23.15 | tjostolf | kaol: ill try. bye |
| 21:23.19 | abrotman | appreciate ? |
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| 21:23.34 | Eulex | Fleck, how fast is your system? |
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| 21:23.55 | Fleck | Eulex P4 2.8 HP enabled 512 RAM and SATA HDD :) |
| 21:24.19 | Fleck | GeForce fx 5200 128 MB VRAM (sucks ... i know but... ) |
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| 21:24.50 | Eulex | Fleck, ok... I was gonna say that if you had a low-end system you might consider running a lighter desktop environment |
| 21:25.05 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: old eh ? |
| 21:25.16 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: thought you were moving out ? |
| 21:25.16 | Fleck | Eulex hmm what is lighter ? i use fluxbox ... |
| 21:25.19 | Wyzard|TP | abrotman: Mostly ISA cards, a few serial mice, etc. |
| 21:25.25 | Eulex | Fleck, oh |
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| 21:25.34 | Wyzard|TP | abrotman: Gotta find a place first... gotta get around to looking for one |
| 21:25.41 | jmark | xfce? |
| 21:25.52 | Fleck | no don't like xfce |
| 21:25.52 | Eulex | jmark, xfce is much heavier than fluxbox |
| 21:25.55 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: That's not a low-end system... GNOME should be just fine on it |
| 21:26.08 | Fleck | Wyzard|TP i know and KDE is also |
| 21:26.14 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: btw, I think you mean "HT", not "HP" |
| 21:26.22 | Wyzard|TP | Fleck: HT is HyperThreading... HP is Hewlett-Packard |
| 21:26.25 | Fleck | Wyzard|TP yep sorry :) |
| 21:26.26 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: uhm .. the towers! |
| 21:26.28 | jmark | I like xfce though |
| 21:26.36 | Eulex | jmark, me too |
| 21:26.57 | gaasfet | How do I make a .deb ? |
| 21:27.00 | Fleck | Wyzard|TP compiling with make -j2 etc stuff :)) |
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| 21:27.28 | Wyzard|TP | gaasfet: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 21:27.35 | gaasfet | thkx |
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| 21:27.45 | Fleck | ;) |
| 21:27.50 | OhMyGod | jmark: can you set "auto login xwindow" by xfce? |
| 21:28.05 | S0n1 | what package i use for volum ? |
| 21:28.17 | Fleck | S0n1 alsa/oss ? |
| 21:28.18 | S0n1 | what package i use for volume control in KDE? |
| 21:28.21 | jmark | OhMyGod: not sure, i'm still a newbie |
| 21:28.22 | Wyzard|TP | OhMyGod: That's something that's configured in the display manager (xdm, gdm, kdm), not the desktop environment |
| 21:28.23 | Fleck | kmix |
| 21:28.25 | abrotman | S0n1: #debian-kde |
| 21:28.26 | jmark | anyone know? |
| 21:28.54 | Dak | may I activate a mudele without installing kernel source? |
| 21:29.03 | Fleck | Wyzard|TP my PC hangs often when i use KDE, dunno about gnome, never liked it ... |
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| 21:29.08 | Dak | module |
| 21:29.15 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: Are you talking about compiling a module, or loading one that's already been compiled? |
| 21:29.16 | abrotman | stop using kde |
| 21:29.22 | Fleck | Dak modprobe |
| 21:29.33 | PerfDave | Fleck: Is your machine overheating perhaps? |
| 21:29.37 | Fleck | abrotman i did :) |
| 21:29.42 | Fleck | PerfDave nope |
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| 21:29.46 | Dak | how can I know if a module is compiled? |
| 21:29.47 | Fleck | temp. is OK |
| 21:29.53 | OhMyGod | Wyzard|TP: I cann't execute gdm |
| 21:29.58 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: What is it that you're trying to load? |
| 21:30.00 | PerfDave | Man, not being able to use KDE. There'd be no point using X. |
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| 21:30.09 | Fleck | Dak try to insert, look at /lib/modules |
| 21:30.16 | Eulex | !tell OhMyGod about doesn't work |
| 21:30.17 | abrotman | PerfDave: aalib sucks ! :) |
| 21:30.28 | Wyzard|TP | OhMyGod: gdm is the program that displays the graphical login screen when you start your computer. You don't run it yourself. |
| 21:30.39 | Dak | MTRR |
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| 21:31.10 | OctalTHOR | Anybody know about problems with USB in later 2.6 kernels? (e.g., 2.6.12.1) -- A fair bit of 'usb 1-1: device not accepting address 8, error -71' and 'usb 2-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71' |
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| 21:31.22 | PerfDave | OctalTHOR: Is 2.6.12.1 in Debian? :) |
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| 21:31.36 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: That's a kernel compile option, not a module |
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| 21:31.41 | OctalTHOR | PerfDave : Uhm.... Yes. >_> |
| 21:31.48 | OhMyGod | Wyzard|TP: How can I set the gdm then? |
| 21:31.51 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: To enable that, you need to recompile the kernel, but I'm pretty sure it's enabled already in Debian's precompiled kernels |
| 21:32.01 | Wyzard|TP | OhMyGod: I think there's a "gdmsetup" program |
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| 21:32.17 | Eulex | Dak, check /boot/config-version |
| 21:32.22 | Dak | this is because I'd like to modify the screen resolution on startup |
| 21:32.34 | Eulex | Dak, what screen resolution? |
| 21:32.36 | transgress | any suggestions as to how to acquire my gateway address? |
| 21:32.42 | OhMyGod | Wyzard|TP: oh.thank u very much.Let me try it. |
| 21:32.51 | Eulex | Dak, console or X? |
| 21:32.52 | transgress | trying to setup a static IP, but i kind of need that |
| 21:32.54 | Dak | I have a monitor 1280x800... |
| 21:32.58 | Dak | console |
| 21:33.01 | Wyzard|TP | transgress: What's wrong with DHCP? |
| 21:33.18 | ash_ | transgress: Call your ISP.. they will tell you.. |
| 21:33.21 | Eulex | Dak, check /boot/config-version |
| 21:33.33 | Wyzard|TP | ash_: Not if he's using a NAT router |
| 21:33.39 | transgress | Wyzard|TP: well... it's gonna reset my resolv.conf back to the other namservers |
| 21:33.50 | transgress | Wyzard|TP: and i want to keep the 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 |
| 21:34.18 | Wyzard|TP | transgress: Then configure the router to provide the different DNS info |
| 21:34.20 | ash_ | Wyzard: sorry... must have missed that part of the convo... just thought he was trying to setup a static ip for his net connection.. |
| 21:34.24 | plugwash | if you have a system currenlty online on your network then you can get the default gateway by typing route |
| 21:34.30 | Wyzard|TP | transgress: or use the "resolvconf" package |
| 21:34.51 | tarzeau | !topicbadger ehaupt |
| 21:34.52 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that ehaupt didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 21:35.02 | Eulex | hehe |
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| 21:35.18 | Dak | What happen if I uncomment "# CONFIG_MPENTIUMM is not set" in /boot/config-version? |
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| 21:35.26 | tarzeau | ehaupt: have you seen this shit yet? www.cafepress.com/ubunto ? |
| 21:35.48 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: That's not MTRR, and has nothing to do with setting up an SVGA console |
| 21:36.28 | Dak | yes, I know... I'd like to learn something about all this config files...I'm a newbye |
| 21:36.50 | tarzeau | ehaupt: yes? |
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| 21:36.54 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: That file is a kernel configuration, only relevant if you're compiling a custom kernel, which you're not |
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| 21:37.35 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: Your kernel already has framebuffer support and MTRR support (and MTRR support is optional anyway) |
| 21:37.58 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: All you need to do is configure your bootloader to put the appropriate options on the kernel's command line |
| 21:38.09 | Dak | so, what have I to do to change the shell resolution? |
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| 21:38.17 | Dak | I use grub |
| 21:38.31 | Wyzard|TP | Then edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 21:38.51 | Wyzard|TP | I assume you've already found some documentation on this, since you heard about MTRR somewhere |
| 21:40.22 | Dak | I red something 5 minutes ago!! It's hard to understand something, for me...but I like this way of doing work with pc |
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| 21:41.34 | p30n | hello, what can be wrong when my sata hdd wont show up in /dev/sd*/ after reboot ? |
| 21:41.35 | Dak | ok, I opened menu.lst in grub folder. How can I set the shell resolution? |
| 21:41.58 | tarzeau | !folder |
| 21:41.59 | dpkg | i heard folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
| 21:42.14 | tarzeau | Dak: textmode or fb? |
| 21:42.24 | Wyzard|TP | tarzeau: vesafb |
| 21:42.36 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: Have you done any grub configuration before? |
| 21:42.39 | tarzeau | try fbset ? |
| 21:42.46 | Dak | no, never... |
| 21:43.12 | Dak | what is fb? |
| 21:43.16 | tarzeau | !fb |
| 21:43.16 | dpkg | fb are floot bloppies, or , but shouldn't it be foot-bloppies? |
| 21:43.17 | HiddenWolf | How can I configure my serial port (com1) in such a way that the io / irq are left to lirc_serial, instead of the general kernel serial driver? |
| 21:43.22 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: You need to add options on the "kernel" line... but if you want them to be kept when you install new kernels, there's also a special "## kopt" line that you need to edit as well |
| 21:43.24 | tarzeau | hahaha |
| 21:43.36 | tarzeau | !factinfo fb |
| 21:43.36 | dpkg | fb -- created by claviola <claviola@cable-m-rio-58.ajato.com.br> at Tue Apr 10 19:05:39 2001 (1546 days); last modified at Sun Apr 15 00:58:16 2001 by rahul!rjain@photino.sid.rice.edu; it has been requested 48 times, last by tarzeau, 20s ago. |
| 21:43.54 | p30n | question: what can be wrong when my sata hdd wont show up in /dev/sd*/ after reboot ? |
| 21:44.01 | tarzeau | p30n: /msg dpkg repeat |
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| 21:44.28 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: The options in my menu.lst are "video=vesafb:mtrr vga=0x305" |
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| 21:44.37 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: The 0x305 is for 1024x768 |
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| 21:46.04 | reda_ | I am looking for an audio conversion tool. do you know any? |
| 21:46.17 | Wyzard|TP | reda_: sox maybe? |
| 21:46.20 | PerfDave | reda_: sox ? What audio do you want to convert into what? |
| 21:46.42 | Dak | my I put "video=vesafb:mtrr vga=0x305" in any line of the file? |
| 21:47.00 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: No, on the "kopt" and any "kernel" lines |
| 21:47.01 | Dak | as under "## ## Start Default Options ##" |
| 21:47.07 | Wyzard|TP | mwilson: Found something else to hate? |
| 21:47.25 | reda_ | Now I want to convert an ogg file to mp3, but i'm looking for a versatile tool |
| 21:47.42 | mwilson | Wyzard|TP: How can you hate software? |
| 21:47.44 | Wyzard|TP | reda_: Use oggdec to decode it to .wav, then any MP3 encoder |
| 21:47.50 | Wyzard|TP | reda_: That's a quality loss though |
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| 21:47.58 | PerfDave | reda_: Why do you want to convert an Ogg Vorbis to MP3? They're both lossy formats. |
| 21:48.07 | Dak | something like: kopt=video=vesafb:mtrr vga=0x305 ??? |
| 21:48.12 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: yes |
| 21:48.44 | reda_ | I don't have a choice, the mp3 player dosn't read ogg files :( |
| 21:48.45 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: When you run "update-grub", the actual kernel entries (farther down in the file) will be regenerated using the options there, so you can do that, or just edit the "kernel" lines manually |
| 21:48.47 | abrotman | Phated: come back please ... |
| 21:48.52 | Dak | thanks...now I try this way. step by step I'll learn something |
| 21:48.59 | PerfDave | !tell reda_ about vorbis hardware |
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| 21:50.00 | mwilson | Wyzard|TP: No, I'm trying to work out a way to take a machine inventory via PXE and write the result back to a server somewhere, and I got sidetracked playing with netbooting d-i. |
| 21:50.18 | Wyzard|TP | mwilson: ah :-) |
| 21:50.26 | mick_home | hi everyone, i'm wondering something about the gpl (maybe someone can clarify this for me |
| 21:50.30 | mick_home | ) |
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| 21:50.42 | mwilson | Ah, a troll. |
| 21:50.48 | mick_home | can a closed source app be bundled with an open source one |
| 21:50.49 | Wyzard|TP | mwilson: You could just turn off all the computers, delete the DHCP leases file, boot all the church computers, and then parse their MAC addresses out of the DHCP leases file |
| 21:51.09 | mick_home | no i'm wondering about clamxav.com |
| 21:51.14 | mick_home | mwilson: hear me out |
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| 21:51.42 | OhMyGod | Wyzard|TP: I have no gdm,may be is xdm? |
| 21:51.45 | mick_home | the guy wouldn't send me the source, because he said that it was closed sourc e |
| 21:51.46 | Wyzard|TP | mick_home: It depends on the license, but most open-source licenses (including the GPL) allow that |
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| 21:51.51 | Wyzard|TP | OhMyGod: Possibly |
| 21:51.52 | mwilson | Wyzard|TP: No, no, I'm way beyond that one. Now I've got to inventory all the software on them to make sure we're in license compliance. I can either run around with a clipboard, or I can boot a floppy and do something, or I can PXE-boot it and make it all automatic. |
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| 21:52.01 | PerfDave | mwilson: Define "bundled with" |
| 21:52.07 | mick_home | ah ok |
| 21:52.12 | PerfDave | Argh, I meant mick_home not mwilson. |
| 21:52.13 | mwilson | mick_home: Since when is clamxav open-source? |
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| 21:52.28 | Wyzard|TP | mick_home: In fact, software that forbids being distributed alongside non-free software is itself non-free according to the DFSG |
| 21:52.33 | mick_home | mwilson: it isn't |
| 21:52.37 | OhMyGod | Wyzard|TP: I typed the "xdm" ,no response |
| 21:52.48 | mwilson | mick_home: Then why should he give you the source? |
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| 21:52.49 | Wyzard|TP | OhMyGod: Again, you don't run XDM yourself |
| 21:52.51 | jaime | hello |
| 21:53.01 | mick_home | i understand now |
| 21:53.02 | jaime | i need some help with the X server |
| 21:53.04 | mick_home | thanks |
| 21:53.17 | jaime | it refuses to open a session |
| 21:53.24 | mick_home | i just find it strange i guess |
| 21:53.24 | jaime | with the only user i have |
| 21:53.37 | Wyzard|TP | OhMyGod: It has a config file somewhere, but I don't use it so you'll have to research it yourself |
| 21:53.56 | rxwork | you can distribute gpl stuff with closed source stuff as long as they are seperate programs (ie: not part of the same file) |
| 21:53.57 | mwilson | Wyzard|TP: Amazingly enough, it's not as easy as it sounds to get access again to the network once the image file actually downloads. :( |
| 21:54.22 | OhMyGod | Wyzard|TP: ok |
| 21:55.17 | rxwork | if you mix gpl code with closed source code, well close source code must become open source |
| 21:55.45 | Wyzard|TP | mwilson: I've never used PXE, but I'd think that bootp/dhcp wouldn't work any differently with a downloaded OS image than one read from a hard drive... I'm sure there's more to the story than I'm aware of, though |
| 21:55.59 | mwilson | rxwork: No, if you mix gpl code with closed source code and DISTRIBUTE THE RESULT. That seems to elude most cluebies. |
| 21:56.13 | rxwork | yeah |
| 21:56.15 | Wyzard|TP | rxwork: "Mix" is a vague term... specifically, if you create a *derived work* of GPL code, your derived work may only be distributed under the GPL |
| 21:56.36 | mick_home | i thought that if you distribute binary versions of gpl'ed code that you need to include the gpl licence |
| 21:56.36 | mwilson | Wyzard|TP: It means that you have to boot something that's network-aware on its own, since the PXE stack is gone. |
| 21:56.39 | Wyzard|TP | rxwork: Putting GPL code and closed-source code on a CD together, if neither is a derived work of the other, is fine. |
| 21:56.50 | rxwork | thats what i said |
| 21:56.50 | rxwork | heh |
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| 21:57.00 | rxwork | well, almost |
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| 21:57.11 | mick_home | and include the source for the gpl'ed code |
| 21:57.31 | Wyzard|TP | mick_home: The source code and the GPL license, or a reference to where they can be obtained |
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| 21:57.39 | mwilson | mick_home: No, there's no requirement that I distribute the source. |
| 21:57.58 | mwilson | mick_home: As Wyzard|TP says, only a pointer to it is necessary. |
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| 21:58.15 | mick_home | ah ok |
| 21:58.22 | mick_home | later people |
| 21:58.23 | Findecano | how can I change the part servername.domain.com of from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (EHLO servername.domain.com) to $sender_address_domain |
| 21:58.25 | Findecano | for exim |
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| 21:58.54 | rxwork | or you can use bsd licensed code...much less hassle :P |
| 21:58.57 | mwilson | Findecano: You don't. |
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| 21:59.30 | concept10 | apt-cache search searches files in the repositories, what searches files on your installation? |
| 21:59.39 | Wyzard|TP | concept10: dpkg -S |
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| 21:59.53 | Wyzard|TP | concept10: "apt-cache search" actually searches package descriptions, not files |
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| 22:00.36 | concept10 | Wyzard|TP, thanks, well what command do I use to search for example a specific version of PHP |
| 22:00.55 | concept10 | Wyzard|TP, in the repos |
| 22:01.06 | Findecano | mwilson, thx |
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| 22:01.13 | Wyzard|TP | concept10: "apt-cache search php" and browse the results |
| 22:01.30 | Exit83 | im getting desperate here. It seems knoppix, ubuntu and probably most other distro's can find my HDD on my notebook but debian netboot install just wotn cut it. While searching for hardware it keeps saying found no HDD with a 2.4 kernel and with a 2.6 kernel the search hangs on 84% (loading module 'ide-disk' for 'Linux ATA IDE') Can someone help me pls?? |
| 22:01.30 | Wyzard|TP | concept10: "dpkg -S <filename>" would be if you wanted to know which package contains a specific file on your system |
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| 22:02.02 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: What kind of IDE controller do you have? |
| 22:02.03 | Dak | Ok, I add this line to my grub menu.lst: "kopt=video=vesafb:mtrr vga=0x305", but after doing update-grub that line disappeare! why? |
| 22:02.25 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: You edited the existing "## kopt=" line, right? |
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| 22:02.32 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: DO YOU MEAN MY CHIPSET CONTROLLER? |
| 22:02.34 | Dak | no...! |
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| 22:02.39 | Exit83 | oops |
| 22:02.40 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: Not added a new kopt line? |
| 22:02.40 | Exit83 | Sorry |
| 22:02.51 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: sorry for the all caps |
| 22:02.53 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: I MEAN YOUR IDE CONTROLLER, WHICH IS PROBABLY BUILT INTO YOUR CHIPSET |
| 22:02.54 | Wyzard|TP | :-P |
| 22:03.18 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: (I make the distinction because there are many other things built into your chipset which are not relevant here) |
| 22:03.21 | Dak | yes I added "kopt=video=vesafb:mtrr vga=0x305" without uncommenting "# kopt=root=/dev/hda7 ro" |
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| 22:03.47 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: I think that line is supposed to begin with "##", not just "#", like all the other lines in that section |
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| 22:04.05 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: but I'm not sure because I don't use update-grub and I removed all those lines from my configuration |
| 22:04.13 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: its a sis chipset allthough i keep forgetting which one, let me google a bit |
| 22:04.36 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: It sounds like an installer bug... you should file a bug report, and include the exact model of your IDE controller |
| 22:05.26 | majk | Hi, when I want to use for user /bin/false, need I to write this to /etc/shells ? |
| 22:05.29 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: That way it can be fixed for the next sarge revision |
| 22:05.29 | Dak | so, perhaps I have to add "# kopt=video=vesafb:mtrr vga=0x305" and not "kopt=video=vesafb:mtrr vga=0x305", right? |
| 22:05.46 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: the stupid thing is, i tried with sarge and SID both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels and both have probs |
| 22:05.59 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: But the Ubuntu installer works fine? |
| 22:06.17 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: yeah but man, ubuntu is so bloated :| |
| 22:06.54 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: Ubuntu's intaller is mostly the same as Debian's, so that does sound like a kernel issue or something, but I have no idea what the exact cause would be |
| 22:06.56 | daedalus_ | majk:No, /etc/shells is primarily used for chsh |
| 22:07.16 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: I've seen a case where the Debian installer would fail to get a DHCP lease, Ubuntu and Knoppix worked just fine |
| 22:07.35 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: As I said, I think the line is supposed to begin with "##" |
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| 22:07.44 | Wyzard|TP | Dak: That's two '#' characters, not one |
| 22:07.49 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: i googled a bit and found some ppl had the same prb, and all of them were debian users |
| 22:07.52 | majk | daedalus_: so /bin/false need to be in /etc/shells only when I want to change shell with chsh ? |
| 22:08.07 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: File a bug so the D-I team knows about it |
| 22:08.16 | Dak | thanks...now I try |
| 22:08.18 | daedalus_ | majk: Pretty much. That's the only time I've seen /etc/shells used |
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| 22:08.55 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: get off the can! |
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| 22:09.04 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: In the meantime, I think there are some unofficial install CDs available which use different kernels... try one of those |
| 22:09.10 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: where do i send it too, and most important, do they look at it? |
| 22:09.19 | majk | daedalus_: ok, thnx |
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| 22:09.40 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: Yes, they do look at it, but I don't know offhand which package an installer bug should be reported against... maybe someone else can tell you that |
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| 22:10.05 | abrotman | you send it to the appropriate email addy |
| 22:10.30 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=debian-installer |
| 22:10.31 | abrotman | i guess |
| 22:10.43 | mwilson | daedalus_: Oh, really. |
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| 22:10.56 | daedalus_ | mwilson: Did I booboo? |
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| 22:11.22 | daedalus_ | mwilson: I've never had to register /bin/false |
| 22:11.31 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: i first shall try with an official netinst, so far i ued a mini iso (8mb) |
| 22:11.52 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: I'd be surprised if it made a difference; they all use the same kernel afaik |
| 22:12.21 | mwilson | Wyzard|TP: I'd be surprised if an unofficial one used the same kernel as an official one. |
| 22:12.35 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP you never know ;), hey i managed to install a server ubuntu and changed the apt sources.list to debian and made it work pretty well, except for some bugs :d |
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| 22:12.52 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: Oh, you mean you used an unofficial one... sorry, I was thinking you meant businesscard for some reason |
| 22:12.57 | mwilson | Exit83: Why would you do something silly like that? |
| 22:13.07 | Exit83 | mwilson: to get rid of ubuntu |
| 22:13.18 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: Careful about doing that... what you end up with is neither Debian nor Ubuntu propr |
| 22:13.19 | Wyzard|TP | *proper |
| 22:13.24 | abrotman | Exit83: but it doesn't work like that |
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| 22:13.33 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP i like testing :d |
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| 22:13.36 | abrotman | Exit83: that's like upgrading to win98 from win3.1 .. you get crap everywhere |
| 22:13.51 | mwilson | I really dislike sourceforge projects that don't TELL you anything... |
| 22:13.52 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: You could use debootstrap from the Ubuntu install CD, and get a proper Debian system that way |
| 22:14.14 | Exit83 | abrotman: well, apt seemed to delete all files and replace them systematically with debian |
| 22:14.22 | abrotman | mwilson: that's like 50% of them |
| 22:14.22 | Exit83 | was quite funny |
| 22:14.24 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: There's a section in the Debian installation manual that deals with debootstrap installs |
| 22:14.32 | abrotman | Exit83: i'd be surprised if it were perfect |
| 22:14.43 | Exit83 | abrotman: gdm and firefox didnt work |
| 22:14.54 | Cpp_ | hello all, i am fairly new to debian and have some problems with making nvidia drivers work. Could someone help me please? |
| 22:14.56 | Exit83 | abrotman: mozilla adn xdm did work perfect |
| 22:15.11 | abrotman | Exit83: your server runs X ? |
| 22:15.11 | daedalus_ | Cpp_ sure. Msg daedalus_ |
| 22:15.19 | Exit83 | abrotman: yes |
| 22:15.32 | abrotman | Exit83: sorry .. you lose all credibility now |
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| 22:16.01 | Wyzard|TP | abrotman: depends on whether he means a real mission-critical enterprise server, or something like a home fileserver |
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| 22:16.05 | mwilson | abrotman: You're being generous. |
| 22:16.06 | Exit83 | abrotman: okay, to get this straight, with X you ment X-window system?? :s |
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| 22:16.26 | abrotman | not that my spelling gives me any :) |
| 22:16.37 | abrotman | Exit83: as opposed to what ? .. Ecstacy ? |
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| 22:17.48 | Exit83 | abrotman: then well, i think you just have to try it, it did work allthough i didnt try to run any other programs on it exept firefox and gdm, which failed horribly |
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| 22:18.05 | abrotman | Exit83: i don't use ubuntu and my servers don't run X ... |
| 22:18.14 | abrotman | i have common sense :) |
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| 22:18.28 | Exit83 | abrotman then the only thing i can say is, never try ubuntu :d |
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| 22:18.38 | Exit83 | abrotman it sucks |
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| 22:19.03 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: If you want to run Ubuntu, that's fine. But "upgrading" from Ubuntu to Debian is a Bad Idea, and you won't get much help here if you ask for help on problems with that system |
| 22:19.22 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP believe me, i dont want help for that |
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| 22:19.48 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: i was just wondering on the outcome before i deleted the OS |
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| 22:19.50 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: Debootstrap is an entirely valid way to install Debian if D-I isn't an option for whatever reason... I've installed Debian from RH7.3 that way |
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| 22:20.18 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: if theis official netinst wont work i will look into debootstrap |
| 22:20.31 | Exit83 | Eulex dont do it :d |
| 22:20.43 | Exit83 | Eulex its bloated |
| 22:20.57 | Biskin | hello |
| 22:20.58 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.07 | Wyzard|TP | It seems OK for its intended purpose (latest-and-greatest desktop system) |
| 22:21.19 | Biskin | can i ask a question in german here ? |
| 22:21.22 | abrotman | !de |
| 22:21.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 22:21.53 | Biskin | thx @ abrotman |
| 22:21.54 | Wyzard|TP | deepan: learn roff, the typesetting language in which manpages are written |
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| 22:22.39 | metaperl | deepan: asciidoc can make manpages |
| 22:23.00 | Eulex | !tell ninja about root |
| 22:23.05 | metaperl | deepan: http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/ |
| 22:23.08 | abrotman | Eulex: he's already been told |
| 22:23.17 | Eulex | abrotman, ok |
| 22:23.46 | deepan | metaperl i am looking at ur website |
| 22:23.53 | mwilson | !ur |
| 22:23.54 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 22:24.01 | abrotman | !moron speak |
| 22:24.02 | dpkg | speak: You are moron #22 |
| 22:24.04 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:24.07 | Wyzard|TP | lol |
| 22:24.09 | mwilson | !moronspeak |
| 22:24.10 | dpkg | FUKN SPEK PRPLY U FKN M0R0NZ!!!!11 See <sms-over-irc> <ne1> <lol> <2> <u> <r> <k>, or see http://www.hohto.to/forums/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=17720. Adding -ies, -rama or any other puerile suffix to words also qualifies, and will entitle you to a free glass of shut the fuck up. |
| 22:24.10 | metaperl | deepan: that is not my site. I use asciidoc quite a bit... I also run a mailing list for it |
| 22:24.12 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:24.13 | mwilson | One word. |
| 22:24.21 | abrotman | yeah .. i forgot |
| 22:24.25 | Exit83 | my install always hangs on ESR value enabling vector: 00000002 and i have to start with the option nolapic (i googled a bit) but i cant seem to find what lapic is or l-apic or what ever it is. does anyone got a clue?? |
| 22:24.35 | abrotman | Exit83: blame ESR .. seems obvious |
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| 22:25.06 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: I think that's short for "Local APIC"... I've seen a problem like that once, a few years ago, but I don't know much about it |
| 22:25.13 | mwilson | Exit83: Yes, use an official disk image, like you said you were going to. |
| 22:26.05 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: According to the kernel config, APICs (Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller, I believe) are mostly found in SMP systems, but some uniprocessor systems have them too |
| 22:26.16 | Exit83 | mwilson: already doing that, but looks the same as the mini netboot disc i have so far... lets see what happens when hardware detection kicks in :d |
| 22:26.32 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: yeah, but i dont have to do noapic, only nolapic |
| 22:26.36 | ninja | error while loading shared libraries: libltdl.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory... anyideas where i could get this file? |
| 22:26.52 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: I dunno what the difference is between those two, sorry |
| 22:27.21 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: no prob, havent found anyone in a few das who knows it either :d |
| 22:27.30 | Wyzard|TP | ninja: There's a package called "libltdl3" |
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| 22:27.43 | ninja | found it i think |
| 22:27.49 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: allthough Local Apic is a good hint to search further on :d |
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| 22:28.07 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: Indeed, but since I don't have one, I don't feel like researching it :-P |
| 22:28.51 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: got it, apic consist of 3 parts: local APIC, an I/O APIC and an APIC bus. |
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| 22:29.03 | Wyzard|TP | ah |
| 22:29.19 | Wyzard|TP | So with "nolapic" you're just using the I/O APIC, I guess |
| 22:29.28 | blizzard^ | DPKG - How do I force an installation when it cant preserve time and exits with 'Operation not permitted' ? |
| 22:29.38 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP yes!!! found my HDD, thx for the help abrotman, Wyzard|TP and mwilson |
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| 22:29.52 | Eulex | blizzard^, "can't preserve time"? |
| 22:29.53 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 22:29.55 | abrotman | ok |
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| 22:30.08 | Eulex | blizzard^, seems like you need to be root |
| 22:30.09 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: "Don't use unofficial stuff" is a good fix to try first whenever something goes wrong :-) |
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| 22:30.13 | blizzard^ | eulex, yes, running within a virtual-server, so it cant preserve time |
| 22:30.16 | blizzard^ | I am root |
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| 22:30.40 | blizzard^ | login:/var/cache/apt/archives# touch /tmp/file && cp -p /tmp/file /tmp/file2 |
| 22:30.40 | blizzard^ | Cpp_: preserving times for `/tmp/file2': Operation not permitted |
| 22:30.53 | nvz | I think I dislocated two of my toes |
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| 22:30.57 | Dak | is there a file were the boot output is normally logged? |
| 22:30.59 | nvz | they hurt :P |
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| 22:31.09 | rbochan | nvz: are they Debian toes? |
| 22:31.13 | Eulex | Dak, /var/log/dmesg |
| 22:31.15 | pid08 | ass |
| 22:31.16 | pid08 | s |
| 22:31.17 | nvz | debian toes? |
| 22:31.18 | pid08 | aviado |
| 22:31.20 | faustino | i just installed kde but i do startkde and i get the error......kpersonalizer can not connect to x server |
| 22:31.27 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: it comes from the server where i get my packages so i thought it was official :$ |
| 22:31.32 | faustino | what can be wrong? |
| 22:31.37 | Wyzard|TP | faustino: You have to be running it within X :-) |
| 22:31.40 | tarzeau | faustino: yes |
| 22:31.49 | faustino | how do i do that? |
| 22:31.54 | tarzeau | faustino: startx |
| 22:31.54 | jharrison | tarzeau! |
| 22:31.59 | faustino | oh ok lets c |
| 22:32.00 | faustino | thanks |
| 22:32.00 | Wyzard|TP | faustino: Put it in your ~/.xsession maybe |
| 22:32.07 | tarzeau | jharrison: yeah what's up man? |
| 22:32.08 | jharrison | tarzeau: you must sleep |
| 22:32.09 | Eulex | blizzard^, within an "emulator"? |
| 22:32.13 | tarzeau | jharrison: says who? |
| 22:32.18 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP this is what i like about linux, you learn something new every day :d |
| 22:32.21 | jharrison | tarzeau: says the time |
| 22:32.22 | deepan | i am not familiar with the macros that are needed to generate man pages... macros like .br .. please tell me a way to covert a text file that i have to man format.. i just want name description to be there in my man page |
| 22:32.25 | tarzeau | jharrison: with whom? |
| 22:32.25 | jharrison | tarzeau: it must be 3am there |
| 22:32.29 | deepan | metaperl any ideas |
| 22:32.32 | ninja | ok i guess i didnt find it |
| 22:32.33 | jharrison | tarzeau: thats up to you buddy |
| 22:32.35 | tarzeau | jharrison: half past 0 |
| 22:32.44 | nvz | damn all I did was cook out and drink a beer or two.. feels like I got into a street brawl |
| 22:32.44 | metaperl | deepan: what is your question? |
| 22:32.47 | ninja | linux is hard |
| 22:32.50 | Wyzard|TP | deepan: They're roff formatting commands |
| 22:32.50 | faustino | how do i install x? |
| 22:32.53 | jharrison | ninja: at first |
| 22:33.01 | nvz | !be linux barbie |
| 22:33.01 | dpkg | World domination is HARD! |
| 22:33.02 | ninja | i like it |
| 22:33.03 | tarzeau | faustino: x-window-system-core |
| 22:33.15 | faustino | apt-get install.....????/ |
| 22:33.18 | abrotman | !bnbsmite tarzeau |
| 22:33.19 | tarzeau | faustino: yeah |
| 22:33.21 | jharrison | tarzeau: what do you know of x-windows |
| 22:33.22 | abrotman | gah |
| 22:33.27 | tarzeau | jharrison: that it sucks |
| 22:33.32 | jharrison | tarzeau: :) |
| 22:33.33 | Exit83 | lol |
| 22:33.34 | tarzeau | jharrison: and OPENSTEP is way better |
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| 22:33.38 | Eulex | deepan, go read a how-to, there are plenty |
| 22:33.43 | faustino | tarzeau: apt-get install whats the rest? |
| 22:33.48 | jharrison | tarzeau: I was sure that you used ncurses for a GUI |
| 22:33.49 | Eulex | faustino, x-window-system |
| 22:33.54 | faustino | oh ok |
| 22:33.57 | tarzeau | nvz: maybe "World domination is HURD" ;) |
| 22:34.03 | jharrison | hehe |
| 22:34.07 | tarzeau | faustino: 00:33 < tarzeau> faustino: x-window-system-core |
| 22:34.15 | Exit83 | are there other/better servers then x window server? |
| 22:34.25 | jharrison | Exit83: openstep? |
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| 22:34.32 | Eulex | Exit83, what is your problem? |
| 22:34.35 | ninja | i just converted and rpm to a deb package and ran dpkg -i but it wont run : libltdl.so.3 no such file or dir.. : ( thought i found it but i guess not |
| 22:34.36 | abrotman | nvz: maybe you sohuld do computer work for a living |
| 22:34.42 | nvz | heh |
| 22:34.42 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: That question doesn't make sense... any X server is, by definition, an X server |
| 22:34.43 | jharrison | tarzeau loves openstep |
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| 22:34.46 | Exit83 | Eulex: no problem, just a question |
| 22:34.49 | tarzeau | jharrison: yes i do |
| 22:34.51 | nvz | abrotman: why is that? |
| 22:34.56 | tarzeau | jharrison: it's not retarded |
| 22:34.57 | metaperl | deepan: look at this manpage made by asciidoc : http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/manpage.html |
| 22:34.57 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: If you mean better than XFree86, there's xorg, which will be going into unstable soon |
| 22:35.06 | tarzeau | Wyzard|TP: same shit, different name |
| 22:35.08 | metaperl | deepan: asciidoc makes it easy to make manpages |
| 22:35.17 | jharrison | im hungry |
| 22:35.19 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: yeah i know that |
| 22:35.20 | Eulex | ninja, why did you do that? there's a debian package of that thing! |
| 22:35.24 | Wyzard|TP | tarzeau: Same basis, new features added |
| 22:35.28 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: cant wait for it |
| 22:35.30 | ninja | o |
| 22:35.32 | tarzeau | Exit83: it's just the same shit with a different name |
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| 22:35.40 | tarzeau | Wyzard|TP: s,features,bloat, |
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| 22:35.42 | ninja | i guess because i was ignorant of that |
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| 22:35.48 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: There are also other, non-free X implementations, but none of those are in Debian |
| 22:35.48 | nksen | tarzeau: and different developers |
| 22:35.51 | zimnyx | hello folks |
| 22:35.57 | jharrison | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStep |
| 22:36.10 | jharrison | http://www.gnustep.org/ |
| 22:36.22 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: thx again for the info |
| 22:36.30 | concept10 | anyone know the default phpmyadmin password? |
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| 22:36.39 | tarzeau | concept10: haha |
| 22:36.41 | ninja | Eulex, im really new at this |
| 22:36.46 | Guerin | concept10: your mysql password |
| 22:36.48 | tarzeau | concept10: yes "iamadork" |
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| 22:36.57 | Guerin | concept10: hint: you need to set one. |
| 22:36.57 | nvz | concept10: where you irc'ing from the county jail? |
| 22:36.57 | ninja | but thanx for the help |
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| 22:37.12 | Eulex | ninja, before compiling something or converting something with alien, do an apt-cache search |
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| 22:37.28 | ninja | ok |
| 22:37.30 | concept10 | nvz, from the safe confines of my laptop! |
| 22:37.56 | nvz | concept10: oh the swat team didnt take it? |
| 22:38.08 | zimnyx | i'm running debian Sid (upgraded lately). What i noticed is that my hd is working hard often (when i don't do anything that uses much hd).. what can be a reason? i have no crontab antry for that time, now hd is working like it was crazy. |
| 22:38.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: we could also sing "la plage de saint tropez" |
| 22:38.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: that really sucks best |
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| 22:38.24 | concept10 | nvz, Im safe, they are not looking for me |
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| 22:38.34 | faustino | i got errors trying to do startx |
| 22:38.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: que pasa your cereal sugar bear |
| 22:38.47 | tarzeau | zimnyx: run wmhdplop, it'll show great blobs when the harddisk works like crazy |
| 22:38.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: wenas! |
| 22:38.59 | tarzeau | faustino: that's not a question |
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| 22:39.08 | zimnyx | tarzeau: thanks |
| 22:39.09 | faustino | ou right |
| 22:39.09 | jharrison | mmmm sauage |
| 22:39.16 | faustino | how do i reconfigure x? |
| 22:39.21 | xav | I've just installed debian testing, and its funny, I can't even start kde and gnome from gdm. but openbox works fine |
| 22:39.22 | PerfDave | !drxx faustino |
| 22:39.23 | dpkg | faustino: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 22:39.27 | faustino | ok |
| 22:39.29 | xav | I've no idea why :p |
| 22:39.34 | streuner | faustino: what videocard do you have? |
| 22:39.39 | tarzeau | xav: use stable |
| 22:39.55 | tarzeau | xav: in testing+ gnome and kde are permabroken |
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| 22:39.58 | Eulex | I like this one: http://people.debian.org/~rmh/kfreebsd-gnu/horned_logo.jpeg :) |
| 22:40.05 | rbochan | tarzeau: already?? |
| 22:40.05 | xav | tarzeau: testing is broken too now ? |
| 22:40.15 | tarzeau | xav: no only GNOME and KDE |
| 22:40.17 | faustino | streuner: i have a rage 128 pro |
| 22:40.22 | rbochan | that was fast :) |
| 22:40.22 | tarzeau | xav: try gnustep for example. works like a champion |
| 22:40.22 | Wyzard|TP | tarzeau: gnome is working fine for me in sid... what's wrong with it in testing? |
| 22:40.29 | Exit83 | tarzeau: i thought as long as you dont force upgrades its no prob |
| 22:40.32 | tarzeau | Wyzard|TP: it's broken |
| 22:40.38 | streuner | faustino: hm, shouldn't be a problem then... |
| 22:40.41 | mwilson | Gee, that's descriptive. |
| 22:40.42 | tarzeau | Exit83: no it's broken. GNOME and KDE are BROKEN |
| 22:40.43 | Exit83 | tarzeau: im using gnomein sid 2 |
| 22:40.54 | tarzeau | like greycat says, BEYOND FIXABILITY |
| 22:40.59 | tarzeau | Exit83: no it's broken |
| 22:41.06 | Guerin | tarzeau: any more so than usual? |
| 22:41.11 | tarzeau | Guerin: broken |
| 22:41.15 | Guerin | tarzeau: any more so than usual? |
| 22:41.21 | Wyzard|TP | Is this a "gnome sucks and is always broken, even when it works" troll? |
| 22:41.23 | rbochan | Exit83: he's refrring to Etch (testing) |
| 22:41.24 | xav | tarzeau: even sI didnt force anything, its just a fresh install |
| 22:41.24 | tarzeau | Guerin: yes especially broken today |
| 22:41.30 | xav | and it doesnt work |
| 22:41.30 | Guerin | oh |
| 22:41.34 | tarzeau | xav: yes exactly then more so |
| 22:41.36 | xav | Wyzard|TP: same for kde |
| 22:41.37 | abrotman | in sid2 ? |
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| 22:41.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: hehe, must be funny drugs |
| 22:41.50 | jharrison | !2 |
| 22:41.50 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 22:41.59 | tarzeau | Wyzard|TP: yes |
| 22:42.00 | Wyzard|TP | abrotman: Maybe it's the sid from Toy Story 2 :-) |
| 22:42.12 | Exit83 | abrotman: works fine, as long as you dont install witheld packages for gnome |
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| 22:42.32 | abrotman | Exit83: what works fine ? |
| 22:42.43 | Exit83 | abrotman gnome |
| 22:42.43 | jharrison | ncurses is a GUI |
| 22:42.45 | jharrison | use it |
| 22:42.51 | Wyzard|TP | jharrison: ncurses is a library |
| 22:42.52 | Exit83 | abrotman in sid |
| 22:42.59 | abrotman | i'm in sid ? |
| 22:42.59 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:43.02 | jharrison | Wyzard|TP: ok mr technical |
| 22:43.04 | abrotman | i've been packaged!!!! |
| 22:43.12 | Wyzard|TP | apt-get install abrotman |
| 22:43.25 | jharrison | aptitude purge abrotman |
| 22:43.34 | Exit83 | abrotman friend of mine tried to install with held packages and had LOTS of probs with gnome, beyond repair :d |
| 22:43.46 | abrotman | Exit83: i'm sure they did |
| 22:43.48 | tarzeau | jharrison: does he get gay when i dpkg-reconfigure abrotman? |
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| 22:43.54 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: If it was during the transition from 2.8 to 2.10, I'm not surprised |
| 22:43.56 | jharrison | tarzeau: probably |
| 22:43.57 | jharrison | :) |
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| 22:44.15 | Exit83 | Wyzard|TP: yeas, i think it was, he had no panels what so ever |
| 22:44.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: no! |
| 22:44.21 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: yep |
| 22:44.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: you get to reset my D&D abilities . like agility/wisdom/etc |
| 22:44.39 | Eulex | umh... gnome broken in testing? |
| 22:44.43 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 22:44.44 | Wyzard|TP | Exit83: That's why you look at apt's list of proposed changes before you tell it to go ahead and upgrade :-) |
| 22:44.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: what happens if they install you on UBUNTO? |
| 22:44.49 | tarzeau | Eulex: YES |
| 22:44.52 | jharrison | abrotman: nah I think it makes you gay |
| 22:44.57 | tarzeau | Eulex: GNOME IS BROKEN! |
| 22:45.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: i require debootstrap :) |
| 22:45.05 | abrotman | jharrison: maybe you ? |
| 22:45.14 | jharrison | abrotman: not me |
| 22:45.20 | abrotman | your wife is from kentucky .. she can't be that good looking :) |
| 22:45.30 | streuner | lol |
| 22:45.31 | jharrison | abrotman: wrong |
| 22:45.41 | Eulex | tarzeau, sorry, was a little unclear wether it was about sid or testing |
| 22:45.45 | jharrison | abrotman: she looks like your sister though |
| 22:45.47 | tarzeau | Eulex: BOTH |
| 22:45.54 | abrotman | jharrison: i doubt it ... |
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| 22:46.00 | Wyzard|TP | Eulex: Ignore tarzeau |
| 22:46.09 | tarzeau | Eulex: Ignore Wyzard|TP |
| 22:46.09 | concept10 | yes |
| 22:46.10 | jharrison | abrotman: true my wife is not bad looking |
| 22:46.16 | abrotman | jharrison: if you say so |
| 22:46.25 | ntrm | Hi. Running debian unstable. "man ls" or any other topic results in "bus error". Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 22:46.27 | Eulex | hehe |
| 22:46.28 | streuner | abrotman: so you know every single women in Kentucky? :-) |
| 22:46.30 | Wyzard|TP | Eulex: GNOME works fine in sid, and has not broken in sid recently so I don't see why it'd be broken in testing |
| 22:46.32 | tarzeau | ntrm: sparc? |
| 22:46.48 | tarzeau | !tell Wyzard|TP about sid faq |
| 22:46.49 | ntrm | tarzeau: Dell notebook, kernel 2.4.31 |
| 22:46.52 | abrotman | streuner: they're all related .. seen one .. seen them all :) |
| 22:46.53 | streuner | s/women/woman/ |
| 22:46.54 | Eulex | Wyzard|TP, maybe because it's being transferred to testing? |
| 22:46.57 | nksen | tarzeau: define broken |
| 22:47.02 | tarzeau | !broken |
| 22:47.03 | dpkg | broken is, like, mailto:nothing@machine.cx -> http://machine.cx/debian/ or screen shots are at http://nivda.machine.cx or that's sid for you. |
| 22:47.07 | jharrison | abrotman: dont forget west virginia |
| 22:47.28 | abrotman | i usualy fly over that part |
| 22:47.35 | astronut | grr...pbuilder download shouldn't be this slow (10k/s) should it? |
| 22:47.41 | Eulex | I'm running testing right now, and I have gnome installed -- though I don't run it right now. |
| 22:47.42 | astronut | err, down to 5 now |
| 22:47.43 | Wyzard|TP | Eulex: Possible, but tarzeau claims it's broken in sid too (though I'm using it right now), and appears to be a GNOME-hater |
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| 22:47.57 | Exit83 | euhm, how do you change your keymap in textmode?? |
| 22:47.58 | abrotman | god .. my keyboarding skills are get worse the more time i spend in #debian .. and my spelling is starting to suck too .. i blame the !moronspeak |
| 22:47.59 | tarzeau | Wyzard|TP: i'm a GNOME MURDERER you INFIDEL |
| 22:48.01 | Agrajag- | im using testing right now and gnome is working fine.. ? |
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| 22:48.15 | streuner | Exit83: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 22:48.18 | Eulex | Wyzard, I can test wether it's broken in testing or not |
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| 22:48.22 | Exit83 | streuner: thx |
| 22:48.30 | jharrison | abrotman: maybe you have killed too many braincells |
| 22:48.31 | astronut | who picked the mirror for pbuilder?...grr |
| 22:48.41 | tarzeau | Agrajag-: did you install it today? |
| 22:48.46 | tarzeau | Wyzard|TP: did you install it today? |
| 22:48.57 | nksen | cocca.cx? |
| 22:48.57 | abrotman | jharrison: or the sundays have killed them |
| 22:49.03 | Agrajag- | tarzeau: no, but im up to date with testing |
| 22:49.05 | Wyzard|TP | tarzeau: No, but I did a dist-upgrade today (in sid) and everything is up-to-date and working |
| 22:49.06 | jharrison | abrotman: sundays? |
| 22:49.13 | jharrison | abrotman: you mean ice cream? |
| 22:49.13 | streuner | !sunday |
| 22:49.13 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 22:49.19 | tarzeau | !myass |
| 22:49.19 | dpkg | i guess myass is http://jovan.ru/pics/even-more-crap/Bender.jpg |
| 22:49.24 | jharrison | ah |
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| 22:49.41 | jharrison | im not on a bus |
| 22:49.48 | jharrison | silly abrotman |
| 22:49.49 | simonrvn | hi |
| 22:49.49 | mwilson | That's why he put you on one. |
| 22:49.51 | abrotman | simonrvn: ravenbird left |
| 22:49.57 | faustino | ok guys i got it |
| 22:50.00 | faustino | i have kde |
| 22:50.10 | jharrison | faustino: kde has you |
| 22:50.12 | Exit83 | congrats faustino |
| 22:50.16 | tarzeau | kde is broken too |
| 22:50.19 | faustino | no sound how do i install alsa and everything that goes with it? |
| 22:50.22 | Wyzard|TP | tarzeau is broken |
| 22:50.28 | abrotman | simonrvn: that was expected ? |
| 22:50.31 | Eulex | brb |
| 22:50.42 | faustino | i have emu10k1 |
| 22:50.44 | MobyTurbo | in Soviet Russia GNOME breaks YOU! |
| 22:50.48 | jharrison | too many bad vibes in this channel |
| 22:50.55 | jharrison | time to do some coding |
| 22:50.57 | iXiiON | hi ;) question: i want to partition a new hard drive ,best way would be with the debian installer partiton tool but how can i reach this one again :) ,,sry im still a newbie |
| 22:51.01 | Wyzard|TP | grr... silly microwave interfering with my wireless |
| 22:51.05 | tarzeau | jharrison: what are you coding these days? |
| 22:51.05 | simonrvn | fucking bellnexxia fucked my isp up the ass, so we got cut off, and the dsl activation cards got disconnected last week for some stupid reason (yes, bell again) so hence we're fucked onto another isp, and right now stuck on fucking dialup. |
| 22:51.18 | jharrison | tarzeau: silly things |
| 22:51.20 | Exit83 | iXiiON: fdisk |
| 22:51.22 | tarzeau | Wyzard|TP: hardly the microwave interferes with your wireless |
| 22:51.28 | faustino | guys i need alsa and company? |
| 22:51.32 | simonrvn | can't stay on for long. no, we're not dead |
| 22:51.36 | tarzeau | faustino: apt-cache search ? |
| 22:51.46 | tarzeau | jharrison: like? |
| 22:51.47 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: you sound upset |
| 22:51.49 | faustino | dunno that one |
| 22:51.51 | faustino | lets c |
| 22:51.54 | jharrison | tarzeau: why do you want to know? |
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| 22:52.10 | iXiiON | Exit83 but fdisk is not the installer partition tool |
| 22:52.12 | jharrison | tarzeau: so you can tell me im crazy and why dont I use make-kpkg etc...? |
| 22:52.20 | tarzeau | jharrison: exactly |
| 22:52.26 | jharrison | tarzeau: figures |
| 22:52.27 | jharrison | :-P |
| 22:52.33 | simonrvn | mobyturbo: yes, indeed. getting the freaking run-around for a week isn't fun |
| 22:52.41 | tarzeau | jharrison: why don't you make some nasty debian packages ? |
| 22:52.44 | jharrison | tarzeau: I have several projects actually |
| 22:52.48 | jharrison | tarzeau: like what? |
| 22:52.48 | simonrvn | see ya later |
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| 22:52.52 | tarzeau | jharrison: with which you can harrass some dd to upload it? |
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| 22:53.02 | jharrison | tarzeau: hey that sounds like a good idea |
| 22:53.02 | tarzeau | jharrison: any crap software that already exists 20 times in debian? |
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| 22:53.07 | jharrison | hehe |
| 22:53.26 | faustino | my god a i got a lot of results for alsa |
| 22:53.28 | tarzeau | jharrison: try to make a very large diff.gz |
| 22:53.36 | tarzeau | jharrison: that'll annoy dds alot |
| 22:53.39 | jharrison | tarzeau: does that piss the dds off? |
| 22:53.40 | Wyzard|TP | faustino: ALSA isn't a package that you install |
| 22:53.44 | jharrison | heh |
| 22:53.47 | tarzeau | jharrison: very :) |
| 22:53.48 | Eulex | gnome is working fine in testing -- and I have all the latest packages |
| 22:53.49 | tarzeau | jharrison: don't ever use dpatch |
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| 22:53.58 | faustino | ok let m erefrain the q... |
| 22:53.59 | jharrison | tarzeau: do you TRY to upset dds? |
| 22:53.59 | iXiiON | how can i get into the installer partition tool please |
| 22:54.03 | tarzeau | jharrison: i love to |
| 22:54.07 | jharrison | heh |
| 22:54.15 | abrotman | !tell HiddenWolf about ubuntu |
| 22:54.18 | jharrison | tarzeau: shall I just adopt some packages then |
| 22:54.19 | Wyzard|TP | faustino: You need to load the right driver module for your sound card... it might help to install the "discover" package, which will look at what hardware you have and automatically load drivers |
| 22:54.20 | faustino | how do i have my emu10k1 sound card working debian dont recognize it? |
| 22:54.25 | tarzeau | jharrison: yes |
| 22:54.27 | HiddenWolf | abrotman, I know |
| 22:54.35 | jharrison | tarzeau: dont know if im ready for that yet |
| 22:54.37 | HiddenWolf | I know, defaults from the livecd |
| 22:54.41 | Exit83 | iXiiON: go into terminal and type fdisk dev/hd* where * is the according device |
| 22:54.49 | Eulex | faustino, does alsaconf recognise it? |
| 22:54.50 | tarzeau | HiddenWolf: what live cd? |
| 22:54.54 | tarzeau | HiddenWolf: YOU HAVE UBUNTO? |
| 22:54.54 | abrotman | HiddenWolf: we're not here to help with ubuntu crap |
| 22:54.55 | Wyzard|TP | faustino: Try "modprobe snd-emu10k1" |
| 22:54.56 | jharrison | tarzeau: what do you think? |
| 22:55.05 | tarzeau | HiddenWolf: WWW.CAFEPRESS.COM/ubunto |
| 22:55.11 | iXiiON | Exit83 i tr< |
| 22:55.13 | iXiiON | y |
| 22:55.13 | tarzeau | jharrison: start small |
| 22:55.16 | Wyzard|TP | faustino: Then run a mixer (such as alsamixer) and turn up the volume levels, since they're all muted by default |
| 22:55.19 | war- | Can someone help me? There is a Linux MP3 player that starts with a b? its JUST LIEK XMMS but I CANNOT remember the name!! |
| 22:55.20 | jharrison | tarzeau: like what? |
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| 22:55.25 | HiddenWolf | jesus, you can see why debian is renowned for it's hospitality |
| 22:55.33 | abrotman | HiddenWolf: you're not using debian .. get over it |
| 22:55.36 | PerfDave | HiddenWolf: "its" ;p |
| 22:55.36 | HiddenWolf | and I don't have ubuntu, I have an ubuntu live. :P |
| 22:55.36 | MobyTurbo | !permasunday |
| 22:55.37 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 22:55.38 | jharrison | HiddenWolf: what does Jesus have to do with it? |
| 22:55.43 | Exit83 | iXiiON: oh wait, i seem to miss some stuff that you said, you want the auto partitioner tool? |
| 22:55.45 | aktinos | war-: beep media player? |
| 22:55.46 | Eulex | war-, beep media player |
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| 22:55.47 | war- | YES!! |
| 22:55.48 | war- | thanks!! |
| 22:55.51 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 22:55.54 | tarzeau | jharrison: any software you like |
| 22:56.01 | Exit83 | iXiiON: i never used that one, i always use fdisk |
| 22:56.12 | Wyzard|TP | HiddenWolf: Ubuntu isn't Debian... asking for Ubuntu help is offtopic here |
| 22:56.18 | jharrison | tarzeau: ok ill try it then |
| 22:56.29 | faustino | alsaconf ............command not found |
| 22:56.29 | tarzeau | jharrison: if you can't find one. i can give you hints |
| 22:56.30 | HiddenWolf | Wyzard, I wasn't planning to, fyi |
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| 22:56.48 | abrotman | robin_z: go to #fedora and ask mandriva questions |
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| 22:57.01 | Eulex | abrotman, that ought to upset them :) |
| 22:57.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: let's troll a bit ? #ubuntu and #gentoo ? |
| 22:57.06 | abrotman | probably |
| 22:57.10 | jharrison | tarzeau: yes I like hints |
| 22:57.23 | robin_z | abrotman: #fedora? thats gone I think, they are onto #fedora3 now |
| 22:57.32 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:57.39 | Wyzard|TP | HiddenWolf: Actually, scrolling back a bit, I don't see your original question, just abrotman !tell'ing you about ubuntu |
| 22:57.53 | Wyzard|TP | robin_z: #fedora3 when Fedora 4 is out now? |
| 22:58.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: we could really ask some stooopid noobie questiosn there |
| 22:58.09 | robin_z | oh shit .. out of date already |
| 22:58.09 | HiddenWolf | Wyzard, I didn't ask any question. :P |
| 22:58.10 | tarzeau | LOL |
| 22:58.18 | Wyzard|TP | HiddenWolf: ah... nm, then :-) |
| 22:58.26 | faustino | cant locate module snd-emu10k1 |
| 22:58.37 | Wyzard|TP | faustino: What kernel are you using? |
| 22:58.39 | streuner | !real kernel |
| 22:58.39 | dpkg | somebody said real kernel was The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 22:58.55 | streuner | uh, that is old |
| 22:59.06 | faustino | 2.4.27 |
| 22:59.19 | Eulex | Wyzard|TP, I checked, and neither #fedora3 nor #fedora4 does exist... just #fedora |
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| 22:59.33 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: because on a given average .. anyone joining with that username is about to ask an ubuntu question .. all he had to say was "I'm using ubuntu but have a question about debian" |
| 22:59.37 | streuner | faustino: modules for ALSA are in 2.6.x kernels |
| 22:59.41 | Wyzard|TP | faustino: ALSA isn't included in 2.4 kernels, so you'd have to install a separate modules package... better to just upgrade to a 2.6 kernel though |
| 22:59.49 | xav | tarzeau: do you use window maker? |
| 22:59.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: you sohuld ask resiak for the logloglog with me |
| 22:59.56 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 23:00.04 | tarzeau | resiak: logloglog? |
| 23:00.06 | gosam | hi, have you ever experienced win32 executables getting corrupted after being for a while in a ext3 partition? |
| 23:00.12 | faustino | upgrade? |
| 23:00.15 | tarzeau | xav: only because we still have that crap called x11 |
| 23:00.16 | Wyzard|TP | Eulex: I was responding to robin_z's comment |
| 23:00.16 | faustino | is that hard?> |
| 23:00.26 | xav | tarzeau: ok :) |
| 23:00.33 | Eulex | Wyzard|TP, oh, ok |
| 23:00.58 | robin_z | Eulex: it is what we call "humour" |
| 23:01.04 | Wyzard|TP | gosam: No, files being corrupted generally indicates a disk problem |
| 23:01.05 | Eulex | gosam, you seem to have experienced bit decay 8) |
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| 23:01.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know LOL what a colleague told me at work? |
| 23:01.26 | Wyzard|TP | gosam: or software problems |
| 23:01.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: the ladder theory sucks ? |
| 23:01.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: i should stop switching windows so nervously. i press ctrl-a a in screen often ;) |
| 23:01.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it's excellent |
| 23:01.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: but there's two women i couldn't apply it to |
| 23:02.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: maybe money can be replaced with uhm |
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| 23:02.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: say "algmightyness"? |
| 23:02.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah .. ok |
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| 23:02.40 | gosam | Wyzard|TP, other files are ok, it's just the executables that have problems. |
| 23:03.00 | bonggnu | hi, installing apt-build askme about mi cpu arch, i have an amd sempron, wich family are ? ( k6, athlon, athlon-tbird, athlon4 athlonxp athlonmp?) |
| 23:03.10 | nksen | gosam: problems? |
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| 23:03.11 | Wyzard|TP | gosam: Executables are no different than any other file as far as how they're stored on disk |
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| 23:03.43 | robin_z | would you believe it .. the #ubuntu people think # debian is the place to ask debian questions ... well, it was worth asking I guess |
| 23:03.51 | abrotman | bonggnu: athlonxp i think |
| 23:03.52 | Eulex | hehe |
| 23:04.03 | bonggnu | o, thnks |
| 23:04.04 | abrotman | robin_z: really ? |
| 23:04.11 | gosam | after some time in the ext partition , then back to a ntfs one, i could'nt execute em from windows |
| 23:04.19 | robin_z | abrotman: yeah, mazin' huh? |
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| 23:04.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: you've seen my favourites at www.linuks.mine.nu/people/ german*.txt ? |
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| 23:04.45 | faustino | how do i upgrade my kernel? |
| 23:04.47 | abrotman | robin_z: cute |
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| 23:04.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: nope |
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| 23:05.13 | faustino | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 23:05.19 | thingfish | faustino: which debian are you using? |
| 23:05.31 | PerfDave | faustino: apt-get install a kernel-image package. |
| 23:05.31 | jharrison | hhmmmm |
| 23:05.44 | faustino | debian 31-r0a-i386 netinst.iso |
| 23:05.55 | thingfish | so sarge then. |
| 23:06.02 | PerfDave | 3.1r0a ;) |
| 23:06.13 | thingfish | sarge-a ;) |
| 23:06.16 | faustino | ok whats the image i need? |
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| 23:06.19 | Wyzard|TP | faustino: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 23:06.25 | faustino | ok |
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| 23:06.35 | tarzeau | Wyzard|TP: enjoy your meal |
| 23:06.38 | thingfish | someone else will tell you, I don't want you to mess up your nice sarge install. |
| 23:06.44 | rbochan | heh |
| 23:07.22 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: what did mom make? |
| 23:07.43 | faustino | 3~theres many wich one is the right for me? |
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| 23:08.41 | Eulex | goodnight |
| 23:08.47 | tarzeau | Eulex: sleep well |
| 23:08.53 | zimnyx | tarzeau: coming back to mu question about increased hd activity. these blobs in wmhdplop are relly fine, but tell me nothing:) |
| 23:09.05 | tarzeau | zimnyx: but looks cool, as i promised, no? |
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| 23:09.24 | tarzeau | zimnyx: it can also show the cpu temperature if you install hddtemp |
| 23:09.28 | thingfish | faustino: well, if you have a hyperthreading P4 cpu or a new dual-core cpu, you could install one of the smp kernels. |
| 23:09.39 | thingfish | or "the" smp kernel for i686 |
| 23:09.49 | tarzeau | zimnyx: tried running top ? |
| 23:10.01 | nksen | i bet it's updatedb |
| 23:10.06 | tarzeau | zimnyx: did you ever run php or wu software on that computer? |
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| 23:10.13 | thingfish | faustino: but if you want higher than 2.6.8, you'll have to go outside of sarge. |
| 23:10.27 | tarzeau | nksen: i'll place my bets after he answers my question |
| 23:10.45 | cheun | hi |
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| 23:12.08 | jharrison | seems like new version of nanorc is fscked |
| 23:12.14 | tarzeau | zimnyx: you know about sorting in top with P and M |
| 23:12.14 | zimnyx | tarzeau: 1) i use lm_sensors for hw temp monitoring. 2) looks just good as you promised. 3)tried run top - looks like X and firefox was at the top. 4) i run apache with PHP4 as module. i run also sshd, sambad, oident. |
| 23:12.34 | zimnyx | tarzeau: sure, i know top, even `u' option |
| 23:12.47 | tarzeau | zimnyx: HERO! |
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| 23:12.51 | zimnyx | :P |
| 23:12.57 | tarzeau | zimnyx: most people don't even know "q" |
| 23:13.29 | zimnyx | tarzeau: because they can;t read |
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| 23:14.06 | tarzeau | often they can, but they just don't |
| 23:14.38 | tarzeau | zimnyx: you know how you can teach people? |
| 23:14.56 | zimnyx | tarzeau: teach what? |
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| 23:15.03 | tarzeau | zimnyx: no matter if they talk or not, listen or not: add to every sentence at the beginning "hey, can you listen to me one time?"? |
| 23:15.25 | ninja_of_death | what package could i install that would also install libltdl.so.3 libltdl.so.3 |
| 23:15.39 | tarzeau | zimnyx: and at every end of every sentence, whetere they are talking or not, say "hey can you leave me finish my sentence please?" |
| 23:15.44 | zimnyx | ninja_of_death: apt-file search libltdl.so.3 |
| 23:15.48 | tarzeau | that really is annoying ;) |
| 23:16.10 | tarzeau | zimnyx: doesn't matter, if they don't let you play nethack |
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| 23:16.13 | zimnyx | ninja_of_death: apt-get update; apt-get instal apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search FILE |
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| 23:17.09 | zimnyx | tarzeau: what is the meaning of topic here "SID IS ONCE AGAIN LITERALLY UNSTABLE"? |
| 23:17.13 | tarzeau | zimnyx: back to your problem, try to go through all your processes if you're sure it's none of those |
| 23:17.19 | tarzeau | zimnyx: can you guess? |
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| 23:17.40 | tarzeau | zimnyx: it could be some secretly hidden process? |
| 23:17.53 | zimnyx | tarzeau: waiting until hd starts yelling |
| 23:18.07 | tarzeau | zimnyx: who is the hd manufacturer anyways? |
| 23:18.15 | zimnyx | tarzeau: seagate. |
| 23:18.27 | tarzeau | zimnyx: did you change kernel? memory or other hardware parts? |
| 23:18.31 | zimnyx | tarzeau: two months ago it was calm most time. |
| 23:18.43 | tarzeau | zimnyx: fear the worst! |
| 23:18.44 | zimnyx | tarzeau: not at all. only Sid upgrade. |
| 23:18.45 | Agrajag- | does anyone happen to konw what the deal with versioning for the package 'gnome-desktop-environment' is? i just get '64' |
| 23:18.49 | ninja_of_death | thanx |
| 23:18.58 | tarzeau | zimnyx: let me guess you neither have gnome nor kde |
| 23:19.11 | tarzeau | Agrajag-: it's the debian gnome version |
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| 23:19.21 | tarzeau | Agrajag-: know what greycat says about debian versions > 5 ? |
| 23:19.22 | zimnyx | tarzeau: gnome, lately upgraded to *10 |
| 23:19.31 | Agrajag- | tarzeau: no.. what? |
| 23:19.34 | tarzeau | Agrajag-: moron package or moron package maintainer (or something ;) |
| 23:19.40 | Agrajag- | heh |
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| 23:19.47 | Agrajag- | possibly both |
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| 23:20.21 | tarzeau | Agrajag-: at least with debian you can have something else aside GNOME |
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| 23:21.15 | xav | linux moron |
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| 23:24.22 | zimnyx | tarzeau: i guess you use other desktop? |
| 23:24.22 | tarzeau | zimnyx: ya |
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| 23:24.22 | ninja_of_death | Couldn't find package libltdl.so.3 |
| 23:24.22 | ninja_of_death | thanx for the suggestion |
| 23:24.33 | tarzeau | ninja_of_death: my mirror has it |
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| 23:24.45 | Agrajag- | err.. the package is called libltdl3 |
| 23:24.47 | tarzeau | ninja_of_death: is your mirror unofficial? you don't have Debian? |
| 23:25.04 | Agrajag- | ninja_of_death: did you even run apt-file search? |
| 23:25.12 | daedalus_ | ninja_of_death: I have libltdl3 and libltdl3-dev in my mirror |
| 23:25.25 | Wyzard|TP | ninja_of_death: I told you half an hour ago about libltdl3 |
| 23:25.39 | tarzeau | Wyzard|TP: how was the meal? |
| 23:25.53 | zimnyx | tarzeau: i'm dying to hear |
| 23:26.06 | ninja_of_death | lib# apt-file search libltdl.so.3 |
| 23:26.06 | ninja_of_death | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 23:26.14 | Wyzard|TP | ninja_of_death: And the reason you don't have it already is because you converted some RPM package using alien, and it didn't get the dependencies right |
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| 23:26.23 | tarzeau | zimnyx: gnustep and amiwm, but also fvwm2 |
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| 23:26.42 | Wyzard|TP | ninja_of_death: Have you checked whether there's a Debian package available for the software you're trying to install? |
| 23:26.54 | Agrajag- | ninja_of_death: you clearly didn't follow any instructions someone gave you about 10 minutes ago |
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| 23:26.59 | ninja_of_death | yeah |
| 23:27.04 | ninja_of_death | i think |
| 23:27.04 | tarzeau | Wyzard|TP: no dessert? |
| 23:27.13 | Wyzard|TP | tarzeau: Maybe later |
| 23:27.16 | ninja_of_death | o |
| 23:27.22 | ninja_of_death | i thoght i did |
| 23:27.23 | ninja_of_death | sorry |
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| 23:28.15 | ninja_of_death | well thanx for the help anyway |
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| 23:30.43 | ha | hello! |
| 23:30.47 | ha | How i use drbd with md devices? |
| 23:31.07 | tarzeau | drbd? |
| 23:31.16 | ha | yes |
| 23:31.21 | tarzeau | !drbd |
| 23:31.35 | ha | my servers uses raid level 1 (mirroring) |
| 23:31.53 | ha | drbdsetup /dev/drbd11 disk /dev/md11 |
| 23:31.57 | ha | return errors :/ |
| 23:32.14 | Wyzard|TP | I haven't used DRBD, but I guess you'd just configure it to use your MD device as the device to mirror |
| 23:32.17 | tarzeau | what errors exactly? |
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| 23:33.18 | ha | drbdsetup /dev/drbd11 disk /dev/md11 disk lower_dev meta_data_dev meta_data_index [{--size|-d} val] |
| 23:33.18 | ha | [{--on-io-error|-e} val] |
| 23:33.18 | ha | Not enough arguments. |
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| 23:34.05 | Wyzard|TP | Sounds like you need to specify some additional options |
| 23:34.11 | Wyzard|TP | /dev/md11 would be the "lower_dev" |
| 23:34.25 | Wyzard|TP | but you also need to specify "meta_data_dev" and "meta_data_index", whatever those are |
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| 23:35.12 | ha | tarzeau, ? |
| 23:35.36 | ha | Wyzard, but my server use RAID1 |
| 23:35.52 | tarzeau | my server can play music |
| 23:36.06 | Puppowa | hey guys, i have a laptop and a desktop... the desktop has no speakers, and im wondering if i can just wire its sound card out into the laptop's line in? (the laptop runs debian...) it doesn't work just wiring it in -- do i need some software to do this? |
| 23:36.11 | ha | Wyzard, in drbd documentation says thats support md devices |
| 23:36.12 | tarzeau | and has 2 gb harddisk |
| 23:36.29 | jharrison | 2gb? |
| 23:36.30 | ha | Wyzard, my /dev/md11 = /dev/sda11 mirroring in /dev/sdb11 |
| 23:36.35 | tarzeau | jharrison: yeah? |
| 23:36.40 | tarzeau | Puppowa: aumix ? |
| 23:36.50 | Wyzard|TP | ha: Did you read what I said? |
| 23:36.52 | Puppowa | tarzeau, thanks, i'll look into that! |
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| 23:38.25 | meppl | aeh |
| 23:38.52 | ha | Wyzard, You can stack DRBD on top of md, md on top of DRBD is nonsense, however. |
| 23:39.03 | meppl | sarge has a cool new super plus partition-menue in the installation |
| 23:39.13 | ha | DRBD on top of LVM is possible, but you have to be very careful about when and which LVM features you use, and how you do it, otherwise what actually happens does not necessarily match your expectations. |
| 23:39.19 | meppl | is this partition-manager available as standalone-version? |
| 23:39.34 | meppl | somebody asked for it |
| 23:39.51 | ha | <Wyzard|TP> ha: Did you read what I said? where? |
| 23:40.15 | tarzeau | meppl: sarge doesn't recognize OPENSTEP partitions |
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| 23:40.45 | Wyzard|TP | ha: drbdsetup seems to want additional options: meta_data_dev and meta_data_index |
| 23:40.48 | Wyzard|TP | ha: You didn't specify them |
| 23:40.53 | meppl | tarzeau, he? |
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| 23:41.05 | tarzeau | meppl: the installer doesn't recognize OPENSTEP partitions |
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| 23:41.42 | ha | Wyzard, What`s my meta_data_dev and meta_data_index? |
| 23:41.55 | Wyzard|TP | ha: No idea; I don't use DRBD |
| 23:42.03 | ha | heheheee |
| 23:42.04 | meppl | tarzuau, i dont understand you :/ |
| 23:42.09 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: what was for dindin ? :) |
| 23:42.24 | Wyzard|TP | ha: But the documentation for drbdsetup says it needs 3 options: lower_dev, meta_data_dev, and meta_data_index |
| 23:42.31 | tarzeau | meppl: you woman? |
| 23:42.34 | meppl | :D |
| 23:42.35 | meppl | no |
| 23:43.00 | Wyzard|TP | ha: You gave /dev/md11 as the value of lower_dev, but nothing for the other two, and that's why drbdsetup is telling you that there weren't enough options given |
| 23:43.20 | Wyzard|TP | abrotman: Leftover cheeseburgers and hotdogs from our party on Saturday |
| 23:43.28 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: i wasn't invited? :( |
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| 23:43.45 | Wyzard|TP | hehe |
| 23:43.56 | meppl | tarzeau, i think its irrelevant what partitions the installer recognize!? |
| 23:44.06 | meppl | its not my question |
| 23:44.08 | tarzeau | meppl: no it's not |
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| 23:44.16 | tarzeau | meppl: i've had a sucky time, because it didn't |
| 23:44.40 | tarzeau | meppl: otherwise i woudln't have remembered when you mentionend the new super partition resize stuff |
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| 23:44.57 | meppl | a |
| 23:45.04 | meppl | nothing "resize" |
| 23:45.17 | zimnyx | tarzeau: what hw do you have in your box? |
| 23:45.43 | tarzeau | zimnyx: which? i've got some sparc, a hpparisc, few mips, a powerpc and an alpha |
| 23:46.01 | meppl | tarzeau, in sarge in the installer-menu is a partition-manager, and i want to know, if this partition-manager is available as standalone-version |
| 23:46.12 | tarzeau | meppl: now i got it :) |
| 23:46.26 | Wyzard|TP | meppl: Not that I know of, but you could use cfdisk |
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| 23:46.30 | ninja | Wyzard|TP i got that file installed finaly, thanx for your help,,, after looking back at the commands i kept making the same typo... sorry for being a bother |
| 23:46.47 | tarzeau | meppl: and gnu parted |
| 23:46.56 | tarzeau | zimnyx: what about yours? |
| 23:47.00 | meppl | wyzard, yes, i know cfdisk, but somebody asked for the partitionmanager in the installer-menue |
| 23:47.02 | meppl | ;) |
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| 23:47.12 | Wyzard|TP | ninja: Have you checked whether the software you're trying to install is available in Debian, so that you wouldn't need to convert an RPM? |
| 23:47.15 | meppl | tarzuau wyzard, okay thx |
| 23:47.44 | ninja | its working now and i did a search but i dont know how to search online |
| 23:47.45 | moshii | does anyone know of a bootloader that can load a kernel raw from a disk, i.e. not having the kernel inside an ext2 etc fs? |
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| 23:47.54 | Wyzard|TP | ninja: apt-cache search |
| 23:47.55 | ninja | ill look it up |
| 23:48.01 | ninja | thanx |
| 23:48.01 | zimnyx | tarzeau: i got athlon 32bit |
| 23:48.29 | tarzeau | moshii: why? |
| 23:48.54 | tarzeau | moshii: must it be i386? |
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| 23:49.04 | tarzeau | moshii: i think powerpc/sparc can do that, not sure |
| 23:49.23 | moshii | tarzeau: it's for a project, I want to load a kernel and an initrd with some support stuff in it, then move into an encrypted system |
| 23:49.24 | tarzeau | moshii: or mips, but then i doubt it works without a fs |
| 23:49.39 | zimnyx | tarzeau: what are you exactly doing on this boxes? |
| 23:49.44 | Wyzard|TP | moshii: I think the cryptsetup package has support for that |
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| 23:49.48 | tarzeau | zimnyx: play nethack |
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| 23:49.58 | Wyzard|TP | moshii: And I don't see why you'd need to load a kernel from a raw device to accomplish that |
| 23:50.10 | tarzeau | zimnyx: do you know nethack? |
| 23:50.17 | moshii | Wyzard|TP: I havbe my reasons ;) |
| 23:50.18 | Wyzard|TP | moshii: Use a separate (unencrypted) /boot partition |
| 23:50.20 | LokeDK | After I rebooted my computer (crash), with pushing on the reboot button on my computer, debian can no longer detect discs in my cd-rom drive.. and my burner.. it can detect.. but all cd's are recognized as empty cd-r disc |
| 23:50.43 | welson | hi, i have a kvm switch and was wondering if there's something I can use to unlock my /dev/psaux mouse-- apparently if I use my mouse too soon it gets locked out between switches |
| 23:50.59 | Wyzard|TP | moshii: You don't gain any security by having a convoluted boot process |
| 23:50.59 | ninja | apt-get install libltdl3, this was the command i needed to be typing, apt-get install libltdl.so.3, this is what i was typing |
| 23:51.06 | tarzeau | welson: who is the manufacturer of your kvm? |
| 23:51.12 | welson | tarzeau, logitech |
| 23:51.20 | tarzeau | welson: this happens in x11? console or svgalib? |
| 23:51.35 | tarzeau | welson: any notes on it in dmesg? |
| 23:51.36 | mtoups | any opinions on what filesystem is best for sharing a disk between mac os X and debian linux? (hfsplus vs. ufs) |
| 23:51.43 | Wyzard|TP | moshii: cryptsetup also has nice support for using encrypted swapspace, btw |
| 23:51.47 | tarzeau | mtoups: fat32 |
| 23:51.48 | welson | tarzeau, yes, and in console as well(between two machines).. its only between two machines, not between consoles |
| 23:51.57 | zimnyx | tarzeau: the game, do you play it on all of those machines you mentioned? |
| 23:52.01 | tarzeau | welson: it sucks ;) |
| 23:52.08 | tarzeau | zimnyx: yes |
| 23:52.13 | tarzeau | zimnyx: pity hearse sucks on alpha |
| 23:52.22 | moshii | Wyzard|TP: yeah, I get that; this is a uni project, so I actually have to do something ... ;) |
| 23:52.42 | Wyzard|TP | moshii: Reinventing the wheel for credit? :-) |
| 23:52.47 | welson | tarzeau, its good quality mouse-- its made for laptops as well-- expensive its 40$ cdn.. |
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| 23:53.04 | Wyzard|TP | moshii: You don't learn anything useful that way, you know, except how to set things up the wrong way |
| 23:53.08 | tarzeau | welson: $cdn being canada dollar? |
| 23:53.18 | moshii | Wyzard|TP: no, trying to build neat systems on usb pens... |
| 23:53.28 | welson | tarzeau, y, i guess american would be something less.. |
| 23:53.52 | zimnyx | tarzeau: isin;t sparc a bit exotic? |
| 23:53.56 | Wyzard|TP | moshii: So an encrypted OS on a USB storage device |
| 23:53.59 | tarzeau | zimnyx: nah. mips is |
| 23:54.03 | tarzeau | zimnyx: mips support sucks |
| 23:54.07 | welson | tarzeau, its a good model, I actually bought another just like it because it works very well.. |
| 23:54.10 | tarzeau | zimnyx: the rest works all fine |
| 23:54.19 | moshii | Wyzard|TP: not exactly.. |
| 23:54.29 | tarzeau | welson: all that have not engraved "Microsoft" are fine |
| 23:54.32 | zimnyx | does EU parlament vote tommorow for software patents? |
| 23:54.41 | Wyzard|TP | moshii: Or using the USB device as the "key" for an encrypted system? |
| 23:54.44 | welson | tarzeau, its not microsoft |
| 23:54.58 | welson | tarzeau, so its not sucky :) |
| 23:55.21 | Wyzard|TP | moshii: For that, you don't need to put the kernel on the USB device, just the crypto key itself |
| 23:55.37 | moshii | Wyzard|TP: I'm not 100% sure yet, I want to do stuff to lock the encrypted parts of the memory in hardware etc |
| 23:56.01 | moshii | Wyzard|TP: But my maybe-project manager is a DD, so I should give too much away |
| 23:56.26 | mtoups | tarzeau: i've tried that. unsuitable because i'm doing video work with large files |
| 23:56.41 | welson | anyone knows if i can refresh a ps2 mouse using echo on /proc somewhere ? |
| 23:56.49 | Wyzard|TP | moshii: I'm not sure what you mean by "encrypted parts of the memory" -- you can't do much about the security of the RAM itself, though you should definitely use encrypted swap |
| 23:57.14 | tarzeau | mtoups: what about NFS? |
| 23:57.17 | moshii | Wyzard|TP: I mean the flash memory |
| 23:57.37 | Wyzard|TP | grr, gotta go |
| 23:57.37 | Wyzard|TP | bbl |
| 23:57.43 | shingouz | welson: PS/2 mice are not hotpluggable according to the specs. some mobos do support hotplug PS/2 but that was not the original intention |
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| 23:59.06 | welson | shingouz, have a clue what i can look into, 'cuse this happens just about 30-40% chances with my kvm |
| 23:59.17 | tarzeau | welson: use usb mice |
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| 23:59.35 | welson | tarzeau, it is as well a usb mouse too.. |
| 23:59.36 | tarzeau | welson: or no mouse at all |
| 23:59.40 | shingouz | welson: kvm.. hehe.. some of those are real odd. do as tarzeau suggested |
| 23:59.47 | tarzeau | welson: or x2x ? |
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| 23:59.55 | jharrison | mmmmmmm yogurt |
| 23:59.59 | tarzeau | shingouz: like claxan ones? |
