| 00:00.05 | quittt | I dont like Gaim because it has any functions |
| 00:00.10 | Gnea | Ronin: as would i |
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| 00:00.17 | Agrajag- | quittt: if you want icq functions, check out licq |
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| 00:00.23 | Gnea | quittt: then get licq |
| 00:00.27 | Ronin | then dont use it and try one of the hundreds of others till you find one you like, licq for example |
| 00:00.37 | foo | I am configuring my xserver, for the desired X server driver .. should I select the default? |
| 00:01.18 | PerfDave | scorphus: You too, eh? :) |
| 00:01.25 | PerfDave | foo: Probably |
| 00:01.47 | cire | I have a directory which contains ~100 subdirectories. I have a file x.txt which shall be copied into every subdir. How is this possible? I tried "find -type d | xargs cp x.txt", but this doesn't work. |
| 00:02.26 | stew | cire: xargs -n 1 cp x.txt |
| 00:02.30 | peterS | cire: find -type d | while read d; do cp x.txt "$d"; done |
| 00:02.34 | peterS | or that |
| 00:02.38 | welson | cire, you can try find with -exec cmd '{}' \; use absolute path for the x.txt file.. |
| 00:03.04 | stew | cire: if any of the directory names have spaces in them you need to take additional steps |
| 00:03.30 | PerfDave | find -type d -print0 | xargs -0 -n 1 cp x.txt |
| 00:03.30 | cire | this worked! |
| 00:03.33 | cire | thank you |
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| 00:03.54 | stew | PerfDave's version is safe for dirs with spaces |
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| 00:04.23 | tarheelcoxn | I just compiled and installed the hostap modules (I have a prism2.5 chipset) with a 2.6.8 kernel... |
| 00:04.28 | scar` | where can I find the module that will actually turn the pc off instead of just turning down? |
| 00:04.35 | tarheelcoxn | do I have to do anything to get rid of the orinoco modules? |
| 00:04.44 | foo | Hmm, where is the location of a ps/2 mouse ? |
| 00:04.52 | foo | /dev/mouse doesn't seem to be it |
| 00:04.59 | Gnea | cire: why not just make symbolic links from each dir back to the one file? |
| 00:05.00 | Pryon | /dev/psaux |
| 00:05.19 | foo | Pryon: Thta's what I thought, hmm, didn't seem to do the work. weird. |
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| 00:05.35 | klys | ~g400 |
| 00:05.36 | apt | well, g400 is the best vid card available for linux. 95$ 16M version, 125$ 32M version, or short for matrox g400, or remember to add Option "HWCursor" "off" in Section "Device" of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 00:05.57 | klys | does anyone here have / use a g400 ? |
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| 00:07.01 | PerfDave | foo: /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux |
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| 00:07.38 | Kvant | !factinfo g400 |
| 00:07.38 | dpkg | g400 -- created by journey <journey@216-224-146-15.stk.jps.net> at Tue Feb 22 15:14:41 2000 (1960 days); last modified at Tue Jan 7 13:42:46 2003 by xriso!mark@24.69.83.165; it has been requested 2 times, last by hoffa at Sun Oct 26 08:15:22 2003. |
| 00:07.52 | raf256 | !g400 |
| 00:07.52 | dpkg | somebody said g400 was the best vid card available for linux. 95$ 16M version, 125$ 32M version, or short for matrox g400, or remember to add Option "HWCursor" "off" in Section "Device" of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 00:08.05 | PerfDave | Dude, that factoid is older than woody ;) |
| 00:08.10 | Gnea | ahhahahaha |
| 00:08.17 | Gnea | that's what i thought |
| 00:08.18 | PerfDave | dpkg, forget g400 |
| 00:08.19 | dpkg | i forgot g400, PerfDave |
| 00:08.19 | battila | yo |
| 00:08.27 | Pryon | ho |
| 00:08.34 | battila | g400max is the best card:) |
| 00:08.36 | Gnea | !beer PerfDave |
| 00:08.39 | raf256 | dpkg, forget what is your name |
| 00:08.39 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'what is your name' to forget, raf256 |
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| 00:09.04 | raf256 | !bush |
| 00:09.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, bush is chick plumbing, or the current President and the Dictator of the World, or a shrubbery, or an moron |
| 00:09.12 | raf256 | hehe |
| 00:09.13 | abrotman | PerfDave: no its' not |
| 00:09.22 | abrotman | oh .. yes it is :) |
| 00:09.25 | battila | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400 AGP (rev 04) |
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| 00:09.29 | colera | anyone know a good program that streams rss feed across screen like konfabulator in windows |
| 00:09.32 | colera | ? |
| 00:09.34 | battila | Subsystem: Matrox Graphics, Inc. Millennium G400 Dual Head Max |
| 00:09.42 | Gnea | raf256: leave the bot alone please |
| 00:09.42 | stew | dpkg: bush =~ s#an moron#a moron# |
| 00:09.42 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 00:10.04 | raf256 | !kiss me |
| 00:10.16 | raf256 | Gnea: but he is the one comming onto me |
| 00:10.25 | nvz | well lets just say, I figured out why my brother had tape over that usb port :P |
| 00:10.29 | ignatius | anyone use xawtv with a 713x-based msi vidcap card? |
| 00:10.35 | klys | battilla: is your g400 connector-compatible? |
| 00:10.45 | PerfDave | colera: apt-cache search rss |
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| 00:10.58 | Gnea | raf256: well if you prefer do to it with fakes and not real humans, by all means... |
| 00:11.01 | battila | klsy: how can I figure out that? |
| 00:11.19 | raf256 | Gnea: I do prefer \o/ but She is so far away right now :-/ ... |
| 00:11.32 | Gnea | raf256: i hate that shit |
| 00:11.35 | klys | batilla: (I have no BS) does s-video work? |
| 00:11.35 | foo | How can I test out X after I configure it with dpkg-reconfigure .. ? startx doesn't appear to be working |
| 00:11.43 | PerfDave | foo: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 00:11.58 | PerfDave | foo: What does "startx doesn't appear to be working" mean? |
| 00:11.59 | foo | PerfDave: thanks |
| 00:12.09 | foo | PerfDave: Command not found |
| 00:12.17 | PerfDave | foo: Install it ;) |
| 00:12.20 | battila | I've never use s-video. I dont have tv. |
| 00:12.39 | klys | battila: no tv set or video monitor? |
| 00:12.41 | PerfDave | foo: Or restart your display manager with "invoke-rc.d [xdkw]dm restart" |
| 00:12.50 | battila | Just monitor (vga) |
| 00:13.05 | klys | batttila: do you have the connector? |
| 00:13.24 | nvz | I put a damn usb flash drive in the usb port and the fucking pc went off :P |
| 00:13.43 | Gnea | rofl |
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| 00:13.51 | battila | klys:I have to check the box. |
| 00:13.57 | Gnea | nvz: time for a new power supply;) |
| 00:13.58 | klys | kok |
| 00:14.23 | nvz | Gnea: yeah maybe.. its just that one USB port on the front.. the other one and the two in the back work fine |
| 00:14.28 | foo | PerfDave: I just did apt-get install xbase-tools |
| 00:14.32 | nvz | Gnea: my brother had tape over it |
| 00:14.35 | liable | FAMM`: get the hint, log out of root and in as a user. |
| 00:14.52 | Gnea | nvz: probably a wiring issue |
| 00:15.19 | Gnea | nvz: pull the case off and trace it back, perhaps there's a sliced wire or some metal touching metal |
| 00:15.23 | liable | FAMM`: install x-window-system-core |
| 00:15.28 | nvz | Gnea: who knows. he thinks WinXPMC is cool, what does he know. |
| 00:15.29 | liable | foo: ^^ |
| 00:15.42 | foo | liable: Gocha, thanks |
| 00:15.46 | scar` | I have just installed ntp ntpdate and tried to access /etc/ntp.conf but it doesn't exist...? |
| 00:15.50 | battila | I haven't found it. Maybe I don't have it. |
| 00:16.01 | battila | What is for? |
| 00:16.02 | Gnea | nvz: he knows what duct tape is good for ;) |
| 00:16.14 | nvz | Gnea: he used white masking tape |
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| 00:16.20 | liable | hampsters?? |
| 00:16.31 | Gnea | nvz: well, he marked it |
| 00:16.35 | klys | battila: if you find something like a vga to s-video / composite video connector email me: may I /msg you that address ? |
| 00:16.59 | Gnea | nvz: is it a dell? |
| 00:17.05 | nvz | Gnea: yeah its just like a Windows XP Media Center user to say "could I get two of those? I need one to shit on and the other to cover it up with." |
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| 00:17.15 | nvz | Gnea: it is/was a compaq at one time |
| 00:17.21 | koolmansam375 | hello |
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| 00:17.28 | koolmansam375 | i have some debian questions |
| 00:17.28 | colera | in response to my own question i found this |
| 00:17.32 | battila | just drop me an e-mail |
| 00:17.47 | colera | http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/ |
| 00:17.50 | colera | very cool |
| 00:17.51 | klys | ยก |
| 00:17.51 | Gnea | nvz: oh, even worse |
| 00:17.55 | koolmansam375 | why doesnt Debian include a current X? |
| 00:18.02 | koolmansam375 | all the other distros do |
| 00:18.05 | Gnea | !xorg |
| 00:18.05 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 00:18.17 | battila | klys: do you copy? |
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| 00:18.19 | nvz | koolmansam375: it is the most current without conflicting lisc |
| 00:18.21 | liable | root: what does the command 'id' say? |
| 00:18.26 | klys | batilla: my keyboard is insufficient to /who you, so I don't copy |
| 00:18.27 | Gnea | koolmansam375: debian is not every other distro, it is debian. |
| 00:18.36 | koolmansam375 | even slack 3.1 has a current X |
| 00:18.48 | Gnea | !start a distro war |
| 00:18.48 | dpkg | Gentoo rox0rz! |
| 00:18.49 | nvz | koolmansam375: debian will be switching to xorg as soon as we've got usable packages made, due to lisc issues |
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| 00:18.55 | ignatius | no one uses vidcap? |
| 00:18.59 | ignatius | video4linux? |
| 00:18.59 | hanchan | hello, I just download debian sarge, I`m burn 3 isos, but when I was installing it said can`t find kernel modules!~~ what should I do? |
| 00:19.13 | koolmansam375 | and i also want to say one thing.... |
| 00:19.14 | Gnea | ignatius: v4l yeah |
| 00:19.24 | PerfDave | koolmansam375: Define "current X" |
| 00:19.34 | koolmansam375 | all you Debian users aint gonna get security updates! hahahahahaha! |
| 00:19.41 | Gnea | koolmansam375: btw, X.org .debs *DO* exist now as a alpha-phase |
| 00:19.47 | simonsays | hanchan: keep going through the installation. it may work itself out. |
| 00:19.50 | koolmansam375 | current X as in xorg |
| 00:19.53 | Gnea | koolmansam375: you are wrong. |
| 00:20.00 | hanchan | simonsays, no is dosent work |
| 00:20.03 | hanchan | it |
| 00:20.07 | nvz | koolmansam375: debian packages get security updates.. you are blind and think version numbers mean something |
| 00:20.10 | liable | hanchan: try #debian-boot |
| 00:20.20 | hanchan | if I keep going, i received a red screen |
| 00:20.24 | liable | hanchan: it can be a bit slow there though |
| 00:20.54 | koolmansam375 | nono |
| 00:21.05 | koolmansam375 | the articles say something different |
| 00:21.14 | simonsays | hanchan: when you boot off the cd, and it gives you the boot prompt, view the help screen and choose a differnet kernel to install from. and in expert mode. |
| 00:21.15 | ignatius | Gnea: I have a v412 compliant card, but I can't get an image out of it. can you help? |
| 00:21.20 | koolmansam375 | Debian is slow with security updates now |
| 00:21.33 | Gnea | koolmansam375: you are an idiot. Debian is purely volunteer-based. No one actually gets *PAID* to develop it in any certain direction |
| 00:21.54 | simonsays | hanchan: when it goes through the installation in expert you have a chance to load modules. say no, and then continue. |
| 00:21.56 | abrotman | koollman: drop it |
| 00:22.02 | Gnea | koolmansam375: then someone is talking smack and you believed it, you media wh0re who-believes-everything-you-read-in-verbatim |
| 00:22.19 | abrotman | yay slashdot |
| 00:22.23 | koolmansam375 | fuck Gentoo is community centric too and they get updates. Slack even and the freaking maintainer has health problems |
| 00:22.23 | Gnea | lol |
| 00:22.24 | simonsays | hanchan: there is info on google about these problems. mostly on the debian list for testing the new installer. |
| 00:22.33 | battila | bye |
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| 00:22.42 | abrotman | koolmansam375: STOP trolling |
| 00:22.42 | Gnea | koolmansam375: how long have you been using linux? |
| 00:22.58 | koolmansam375 | long enough |
| 00:22.58 | shingouz | koolmansam375: then go use gentoo/slack/deadrat/whatever |
| 00:23.01 | Gnea | no. |
| 00:23.02 | Gnea | how long |
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| 00:23.04 | Gnea | how many years |
| 00:23.05 | liable | oh no, dont ask that |
| 00:23.13 | simonsays | is there a way to view images on the console? i think there is, but i can't recall any libs that allow for that... |
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| 00:23.31 | Gnea | !troll koolmansam375 |
| 00:23.40 | daedalus_ | simonsays: use aalib ;) |
| 00:23.40 | sether | simonsays: perhaps you can use aview |
| 00:24.12 | daedalus_ | simonsays: (note, I'm joking.. though it is kindof a cool effect, if you're bored) |
| 00:24.22 | simonsays | daedalus_: ;) |
| 00:24.32 | simonsays | sether: i'll check that out. |
| 00:24.35 | Gnea | ignatius: what card is it? |
| 00:24.48 | koolmansam375 | debian isnt even that good a distro |
| 00:24.53 | ignatius | Gnea: it's an msi tv@nywhere plus (not the master) with the saa7134 chip |
| 00:24.55 | nvz | Gnea: yeah you know you're right. only an ignorant media whore uses phrases like "the maintainer" and "current X" |
| 00:25.01 | Gnea | koolmansam375: then make a better one. |
| 00:25.06 | ignatius | the saa7134 driver that loads on boot doesn't seem to be correct |
| 00:25.16 | ignatius | because I can't get anything out of the card |
| 00:25.21 | xzgv | i installed etch with Bastille, at start-up gives me the error that / cannot be fsck becaused it is not mounted as 'read-only', how do i mount / as read-only? thx |
| 00:25.27 | simonsays | sether: i was thinking a way to view a jpg or png... |
| 00:25.30 | PerfDave | simonsays: aalib, or cacaview |
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| 00:25.46 | Gnea | koolmansam375: if you don't have anything nice to say, then shut your hole |
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| 00:25.57 | FAMM` | hello |
| 00:26.02 | FAMM` | can someone help me please |
| 00:26.04 | koolmansam375 | i do have nice things to say |
| 00:26.06 | nvz | koolmansam375: you are in the wrong place to be changing things. this is a debian users channel. you are officially trolling #debian. |
| 00:26.06 | FAMM` | I cant config my X |
| 00:26.06 | ignatius | Gnea: I've been googling for hours, with no luck |
| 00:26.10 | FAMM` | please someone help me |
| 00:26.11 | sether | simonsays: heh, you can convert jpeg/png images to pnm format and view them as ASCII text in aview. |
| 00:26.12 | FAMM` | ...... |
| 00:26.14 | FAMM` | I cant config my X |
| 00:26.17 | PerfDave | Look, guys, koolmansam375 is just trolling, getting off on winding people up. He's talking shit, we all know he's talking shit, just put him on /ignore and get on with it. |
| 00:26.28 | welson | FAMM`, use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:26.37 | PerfDave | FAMM`: Why can't you configure your X? |
| 00:26.37 | FAMM` | ok |
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| 00:26.46 | FAMM` | look guys |
| 00:26.52 | FAMM` | it says i choose my card |
| 00:26.55 | nvz | koolmansam375: you can go off and do something productive like make your own shitty debian live distro with boot-cd |
| 00:26.58 | Pryon | at least the whole CD burning thing got straightened out :-) |
| 00:26.59 | FAMM` | and it is not in the list |
| 00:26.59 | xzgv | FAMM`, # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:27.03 | koolmansam375 | fuck no! |
| 00:27.08 | FAMM` | mine is Nvidia gforce4 |
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| 00:27.16 | koolmansam375 | theres so many fuckin Debian based shit |
| 00:27.20 | koolmansam375 | like Ubuntu |
| 00:27.22 | xzgv | FAMM`, choose 'nv' |
| 00:27.27 | PerfDave | FAMM`: You want the "nvidia" driver, or "nv" |
| 00:27.32 | beardy | simonsays: If x86, svgalib and zgv. Or a framebuffer console and suitable viewer. |
| 00:27.33 | Overand | Gee, I wonder why so many distros and live CDs are debian based... |
| 00:27.34 | FAMM` | is it in the list? |
| 00:27.35 | daedalus_ | FAMM`: Ok, you're going to select the nv driver, and then go to the nvidia website and get the nvidia drivers |
| 00:27.36 | FAMM` | mine is nvidia |
| 00:27.40 | FAMM` | and is not in the list.. |
| 00:27.40 | simonsays | is there a way to view jpg's or png's view the console? with ncurses or something? i thought i recalled that |
| 00:27.47 | Overand | simonsays: two ways |
| 00:27.49 | abrotman | aalib ? |
| 00:27.51 | abrotman | !info aalib |
| 00:27.52 | FAMM` | How to get the nvidia driver? |
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| 00:27.57 | koolmansam375 | its only because of apt |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | or not |
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| 00:28.00 | PerfDave | daedalus_: Don't tell people to install the drivers from nvidia's site, it will fuck their system. |
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| 00:28.03 | PerfDave | FAMM`: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 00:28.05 | daedalus_ | FAMM`: Just use the nv driver for now. It will take care of you. |
| 00:28.05 | nvz | koolmansam375: thats because its easy to do with boot-cd. debian based means nothing. debian is about policy. |
| 00:28.10 | shingouz | FAMM`: go with the nv for the time being |
| 00:28.13 | Overand | aalib or framebuffer cfonsole image display/video |
| 00:28.19 | Overand | fbcon video is probably a dogb though |
| 00:28.23 | koolmansam375 | if debian didnt have apt it wouldnt be good for anything |
| 00:28.25 | FAMM` | it would open correctly? |
| 00:28.27 | abrotman | simonsays: apt-cache show aalib-bin |
| 00:28.28 | PerfDave | simonsays: apt-get install caca-utils |
| 00:28.35 | abrotman | or aalib1 . or whatever |
| 00:28.38 | Gnea | koolmansam375: so, what's better and why? |
| 00:28.42 | daedalus_ | PerfDave: My system(s) have worked beautifully. |
| 00:28.43 | Gnea | ignatius: looking... |
| 00:28.43 | FAMM` | ok |
| 00:28.46 | Overand | koolmansam375: do you have something meaningful to contribute or do you just want us to get some ops to kick you for trolling? |
| 00:28.49 | abrotman | Gnea: you're feeding! |
| 00:28.54 | nvz | koolmansam375: if you didnt have a PC, fingers, and a connection to Freenode, you wouldnt be good for anything. |
| 00:28.55 | FAMM` | what is the command for re-config it? |
| 00:29.02 | Gnea | abrotman: it's a set :) |
| 00:29.06 | koolmansam375 | oooooooh |
| 00:29.07 | nvz | koolmansam375: right now you are only good for trolling #debian |
| 00:29.09 | Overand | FAMM`: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 00:29.10 | liable | !drxx FAMM` |
| 00:29.11 | dpkg | FAMM`: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 00:29.13 | PerfDave | daedalus_: They migh be working, but they're still broken :) |
| 00:29.17 | koolmansam375 | maybe i will make a distro |
| 00:29.21 | liable | sheesh, impatient |
| 00:29.22 | shingouz | just /ignore him |
| 00:29.22 | PerfDave | !tell daedalus_ about nvidia installer |
| 00:29.24 | koolmansam375 | then ill be good for something |
| 00:29.25 | Gnea | that'd be a really good idea |
| 00:29.25 | daedalus_ | PerfDave: Less broken than anything else |
| 00:29.29 | Gnea | that's right. |
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| 00:29.35 | welson | anyone knows what mod I need for usb_storage (shows up as /dev/sda) it has worked before but I'm missing some module I can't remember very well ;/ |
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| 00:29.45 | nvz | koolmansam375: go ahead. it will and always be off-topic here |
| 00:29.47 | simonsays | Overand: thanks |
| 00:29.53 | nvz | s/will/is/ |
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| 00:30.00 | xzgv | FAMM, i just gave it to you |
| 00:30.01 | daedalus_ | PerfDave: Well, duh. But that's an easy fix, assuming you are facile with tar, make, and cp |
| 00:30.12 | PerfDave | daedalus_: Not at all. You can install the nvidia propriatery drivers with module-assistant and they work fine. |
| 00:30.14 | nvz | er s/will and/is and will/ |
| 00:30.19 | Overand | simonsays: what? |
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| 00:30.25 | abrotman | nvz: give up :) |
| 00:30.29 | nvz | abrotman: dont have to |
| 00:30.34 | nvz | abrotman: mission accomplished |
| 00:30.38 | PerfDave | daedalus_: Something which has to use tar, make and cp is not an "easy fix" when there is a perfectly fucking good way of doing it already. Don't give bad advice. |
| 00:30.38 | abrotman | i don't think so |
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| 00:30.49 | Bangers | with chmod...is there a sticky bit or something, which I can say..."create all files under this directory, with this permission"? |
| 00:30.53 | nvz | abrotman: -!- koolmansam375 [~hmmm@pcp07748707pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net] has left #debian [] |
| 00:30.58 | abrotman | i see |
| 00:31.03 | abrotman | i meant your s// |
| 00:31.12 | nvz | abrotman: oh.. |
| 00:31.14 | Gnea | it's about goddamn time |
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| 00:31.17 | mos__ | in the new apt, is there any option to disable gpg file validity checking? |
| 00:31.27 | daedalus_ | PerfDave: Relax man. |
| 00:31.28 | blackmux | hello, Please what is the command to re-config X? |
| 00:31.28 | PerfDave | mos__: Yes, in apt.conf |
| 00:31.30 | liable | !drxx blackmux |
| 00:31.31 | dpkg | blackmux: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 00:31.39 | blackmux | ok |
| 00:31.50 | jeffpc | is it just me, or is debian missing gpg key files? |
| 00:31.51 | mos__ | PerfDave: i dont see the option in the manpage, whats the configuration item? |
| 00:31.56 | Gnea | ignatius: have you tried the WDM driver? |
| 00:32.01 | PerfDave | mos__: Can't remember, I don't run sid :) |
| 00:32.04 | liable | jeffpc: using sid? |
| 00:32.14 | jeffpc | liable: very much so |
| 00:32.14 | nvz | Gnea: it was nothing |
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| 00:32.23 | nvz | Gnea: he didnt come prepaired enough |
| 00:32.30 | nvz | Gnea: was a feeble troll |
| 00:32.32 | abrotman | hrm .. OT: anyone know of a DC powered LCD(if possible) |
| 00:32.36 | mos__ | PerfDave: okay, thanks for your help, ill keep on digging |
| 00:32.36 | Gnea | nvz: indeed |
| 00:32.38 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:32.38 | liable | jeffpc: update again, or get the keys from unofficial repositories |
| 00:32.41 | Gnea | ignatius: http://forum.chris-tv.com/index.php?showtopic=121&st=1&#entry1808 |
| 00:32.41 | PerfDave | Installing GPG key files over non-signed apt is a fucking stupid idea and breaks the entire point of having them :) |
| 00:33.13 | stew | Bangers: look at umask in the Permissions page of the faq |
| 00:33.16 | nyterukh | what are gpg key's ? |
| 00:33.23 | liable | PerfDave: you dont use marillat? |
| 00:33.23 | abrotman | nyterukh: /msg dpkg gpg |
| 00:33.52 | nyterukh | mm k |
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| 00:34.16 | deepan | is smartftp available for linux |
| 00:34.19 | mos__ | PerfDave: im more concerned about the annoyance of the check on all non debian.org & mirrors repos |
| 00:34.49 | PerfDave | liable: Nope, nor sid :) |
| 00:35.00 | liable | PerfDave: oh, :P |
| 00:35.09 | Bangers | Whats the umask equivalent of chmod 750 ? |
| 00:35.28 | stew | Bangers: 777 - 750 = 027 |
| 00:35.29 | PerfDave | mos__: Well, with any luck the owners of such repositories will sort their lives out ;) |
| 00:35.42 | abrotman | Bangers: do you know about XOR ? |
| 00:35.45 | nvz | bah where the hell did this ant come from and whats he carrying.. I am not feeding ants here.. this is my desk |
| 00:35.51 | Gnea | deepan: freshmeat.net |
| 00:35.54 | abrotman | nvz: you and your bugs |
| 00:36.05 | mos__ | PerfDave: i really hope so, its annoying and breaks my script |
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| 00:36.41 | shingouz | nvz: you sure there is no windows computers in the same room? the bugs could leak out from it |
| 00:36.48 | nvz | abrotman: dont ever get crumbs on your keyboard or anything.. they will live in there under the keys.. |
| 00:37.01 | Bangers | abrotman: yes, but what is the 750 being XOR's agsinst? |
| 00:37.05 | abrotman | nvz: mine is a laptop |
| 00:37.09 | nvz | I cleaned mine recently, and dressed it with armorall |
| 00:37.15 | abrotman | Bangers: 000 ? |
| 00:37.18 | abrotman | err |
| 00:37.19 | abrotman | duh |
| 00:37.23 | peterS | Bangers: octal 777 |
| 00:37.23 | abrotman | 777 |
| 00:37.26 | stew | mos__: what repository are you having trouble with? |
| 00:37.33 | abrotman | peterS: you can smack me now :) |
| 00:37.46 | mos__ | stew: marillat mostly |
| 00:37.47 | stew | mos__: if you cannot find the option to disable it in the apt.conf manpage, file a bug against the package |
| 00:37.51 | peterS | Bangers: actually it's being xored against 777, then ANDed against whatever an application specifies when it creates files - usually 0777 or 0666 |
| 00:37.58 | stew | mos__: you can get his key from db.d.o |
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| 00:38.16 | Heart_ | hi |
| 00:38.19 | peterS | Bangers: thus if an app creates a file that isn't intended to be executable, it uses 0666 and the 1 bits are never set |
| 00:38.28 | nvz | I wish I knew wtf you guys were talking about.. but I am barely paying attention |
| 00:38.29 | Heart_ | should this line be in the sources.list for sarge? deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main non-free |
| 00:38.39 | abrotman | Heart_: /topic |
| 00:38.53 | nvz | Heart_: no |
| 00:39.00 | stew | dpkg: marilat key is <reply> http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 00:39.00 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 00:39.04 | stew | mos__: ^^ |
| 00:39.18 | Heart_ | k |
| 00:39.19 | liable | mos__: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ read it... |
| 00:39.21 | abrotman | stew: marillat |
| 00:39.38 | stew | dpkg: marillat key is <reply> http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 00:39.38 | abrotman | dpkg: forget marilat key |
| 00:39.38 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 00:39.38 | dpkg | i forgot marilat key, abrotman |
| 00:39.49 | stew | thanks |
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| 00:40.38 | Bangers | abrotman: when i xor against 000 I get the same 750.... |
| 00:40.40 | Bangers | im confused :p |
| 00:40.52 | nvz | stew: is that a redirect to ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ ? |
| 00:40.58 | abrotman | Bangers: i corrected myself .. and peterS concurred .. it's 777 |
| 00:41.12 | stew | nvz: not sure, but that the one i gave is his homepage from db.debian.org |
| 00:41.38 | Heart_ | and debian-volatile is only for anti-virus updates? |
| 00:41.48 | abrotman | not only .. |
| 00:41.51 | abrotman | that's part of it |
| 00:42.04 | abrotman | !volatile |
| 00:42.04 | dpkg | volatile is, like, debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 00:42.04 | peterS | Heart_: it's for anything which is expected to require frequent updates to the debian content in order to remain at all useful in the real world |
| 00:42.07 | Heart_ | so this is ok in the sources.list? |
| 00:42.55 | Bangers | abrotman: ok, so i was right them...umask is 027 ... but new files aren't being created with 750 for me? |
| 00:42.58 | Bangers | and I cant see why |
| 00:43.07 | Bangers | testing by echo hi > hi |
| 00:43.13 | nvz | dpkg, mplayer =~ s/<marillat>/<marillat>, <marillat key>/ |
| 00:43.13 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
| 00:43.15 | peterS | Bangers: I told you. an application gets to set its own mask, which is ANDed with the 750 |
| 00:43.36 | peterS | Bangers: apps which create files not intended to be executable usually use 666, which would result in 640. apps which create executable files usually use 777, which results in 750 |
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| 00:44.14 | peterS | Bangers: and apps with really specialised requirements sometimes override your umask at runtime |
| 00:44.15 | Bangers | peterS: arr ok, thanks. so what if an application doesnt specify a umask? I have a java application... |
| 00:44.17 | abrotman | Bangers: you may have to log out/in |
| 00:44.23 | reamtS | ps -ef |
| 00:44.28 | reamtS | oops |
| 00:44.40 | peterS | Bangers: the OS call for creating a file or directory includes a mask. I don't know what the java runtime puts in there |
| 00:45.01 | stew | dpkg: marillat key =~ s#http#if you are using apt > 0.6 and it is complaining about a missing gpg key for marillat's repository, read here: http# |
| 00:45.01 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 00:45.22 | Bangers | peterS: thanks i'll look into it |
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| 00:45.42 | deepan | what is "TLS/SSL cabable FTP client" ... i have ftp .. when i connect with ftp it says.."550 SSL/TLS required on the control channel |
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| 00:45.56 | peterS | Bangers: also, as abrotman just implied, the umask is per-process, inherited from parent processes. so whatever shell you launch your java program from must already have that umask |
| 00:46.19 | Azar | hi , have anyone read the /. today? |
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| 00:46.30 | abrotman | Azar: yes .. we know |
| 00:46.38 | FieldySnuts | god how many times do we have to hear |
| 00:46.43 | peterS | Azar: I haven't, but apparently they have an "Imminent Death of Debian Predicted" article. you can ignore it, they don't have their facts straight |
| 00:46.43 | Azar | ok :) you saved me some keystrokes |
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| 00:47.04 | abrotman | peterS: not quite that .. implies debian doesn't have the resources to fully support security.d.o |
| 00:47.07 | Azar | no it was about the issues with the security packages |
| 00:47.32 | stew | dpkg: marillat key is also ask me about <apt secure> |
| 00:47.32 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 00:47.34 | peterS | Azar: right. "Imminent Death of Debian Predicted" would be the comments, not the article text itself, I guess |
| 00:47.40 | Azar | well I just logged in night |
| 00:47.51 | Azar | peterS I havent even seen that article you talking about |
| 00:48.06 | Bangers | peterS: well, as root user, im running a script which executes "su $non_root_user -c 'java -blah" |
| 00:48.14 | Bangers | which is why i think i'm getting confused |
| 00:48.16 | Azar | I was just looking at zdnet australia |
| 00:48.31 | stew | dpkg apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ |
| 00:48.31 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 00:48.35 | peterS | Bangers: well, try 'su $non_root_user -c "umask"' |
| 00:48.41 | peterS | Bangers: just to make sure it's getting set the way you think it is |
| 00:49.02 | Guerin | "Reports of Debian's Death Are Greatly Exaggerated" |
| 00:49.19 | Azar | Guerin "Debian struggling with security" |
| 00:49.34 | abrotman | stew: there's another similar factoid .. that i can't find |
| 00:49.40 | Guerin | bah, that's old and misconstrued |
| 00:49.45 | peterS | Azar: from secondhand knowledge (people who know the facts and who have read the article), it's about a week out of date |
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| 00:50.17 | abrotman | !apt-secure |
| 00:50.17 | dpkg | somebody said apt-secure was the working name of a project to add to APT the ability to verify the authenticity of Debian. See http://monk.debian.net/apt-secure/ |
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| 00:50.20 | Azar | peterS indeed it seems someone was blogging about it sometime in mid June |
| 00:51.19 | pattieja | evening |
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| 00:51.37 | pattieja | is there an easy way to tell whether slapd is compiled with TLS capabilities under Debian or not? |
| 00:51.46 | Azar | hmm I wonder if those running woody are having same problems when trying to get the security updates |
| 00:51.49 | stew | monk.debian.net no workie? |
| 00:52.37 | mdh | pattieja: many |
| 00:52.50 | pattieja | mdh, what's one? |
| 00:52.54 | pattieja | :) |
| 00:53.17 | abrotman | stew: really ? |
| 00:53.33 | stew | abrotman: not for me, for you? |
| 00:53.35 | PerfDave | pattieja: There should be some --version tag which tells you this. |
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| 00:53.41 | stew | !depends slapd |
| 00:53.43 | PerfDave | pattieja: IIRC the version in 3.0 wasn't, the version in 3.1 should be. |
| 00:53.47 | dpkg | slapd: pre-depends on debconf (>= 0.5) |
| 00:53.55 | stew | thanks dpkg |
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| 00:54.09 | abrotman | stew: fails |
| 00:54.18 | mdh | pattieja: ldd /usr/sbin/slapd |
| 00:54.19 | nonent | does anybody have snmp running with lm-sensors properly? 'sensors' shows everything, i'm using the default snmp install with libsensors, but when i walk the snmp tree, i don't see anything lm-sensor related |
| 00:54.26 | Guerin | pattieja: typically, such things are done by way of separate packages in debian. Look for a libldap-{ssl,tls} package |
| 00:54.26 | pattieja | mdh, thanks |
| 00:54.28 | stew | pattieja: slapd depends on libssl so i think its safe to assume that its is compiled with tls |
| 00:54.32 | PerfDave | slapd depends on libsasl2 and libssl :) |
| 00:54.43 | mdh | pattieja: apt-cache show slapd |
| 00:54.54 | pattieja | hmm. k. must have some configuration errors, then |
| 00:55.01 | pattieja | can't seem to get TLS connections functioning |
| 00:55.33 | pattieja | I'm specifically using 'starttls=critical' in my 'replica' line, and it fails to propagate to my slave instances |
| 00:55.35 | daedalus_ | pattieja: Turn up the verbosity/debugging on the server. It complains pretty loudly |
| 00:55.41 | pattieja | but if I remove starttls, it works fine |
| 00:55.49 | pattieja | daedalus_, thanks |
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| 00:56.16 | nvz | man, Presidents Of The USA is a terrible band :P |
| 00:56.35 | Azar | is there a forum, site or irc channel where debian security can be discussed? |
| 00:56.38 | PerfDave | pattieja: Can you get other TLS connections working, say from the command-line client? |
| 00:56.49 | pattieja | PerfDave, haven't tried |
| 00:57.06 | nvz | Azar: we just had a security troll in here, were you reading /. too? |
| 00:57.18 | PerfDave | pattieja: IIRC I had to change something in the slapd initscript to get it to listen on the TLS port, I don't know if you still have to do that. |
| 00:57.21 | pattieja | also, it doesn't seem like slapd is listening on the SSL port? |
| 00:57.27 | abrotman | Azar: mailing list |
| 00:57.31 | Azar | nvz, no but I would like to watch discussions so I can learn how to protect my Debian box |
| 00:57.33 | abrotman | nvz: yes he was |
| 00:57.38 | nvz | heh |
| 00:57.41 | PerfDave | Azar: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/ |
| 00:57.42 | pattieja | PerfDave, ahh. But I thought that TLS used the standard port of 389? |
| 00:57.51 | PerfDave | Azar: You should already be on debian-security-announce |
| 00:58.12 | PerfDave | pattieja: TBH, it's been ages since I looked at it. |
| 00:58.52 | Azar | PerfDave, since my last install , on June 14, I am still frozen trying to learn how to build firewall rules |
| 00:59.08 | abrotman | Azar: netfilter.org ... #iptables |
| 00:59.12 | Azar | I am looking on google for forums that discuss about Debian security |
| 00:59.21 | Azar | :) thank you abrotman |
| 00:59.33 | nvz | kitty at my foot, and I wanna touch it |
| 00:59.35 | mdh | Azar: read all the netfilter doco. it has a lot. |
| 00:59.43 | Azar | okie :) |
| 00:59.51 | mdh | nvz: that brings back memories ;) |
| 00:59.54 | nvz | heh |
| 01:00.02 | nvz | mdh: makes me laugh like hell |
| 01:00.07 | pattieja | PerfDave, thanks! I found something in the man slapd page that verifies what you said about TLS on port 636. Going to change it and try again |
| 01:00.11 | nvz | mdh: I think I will listen to it again |
| 01:00.45 | pattieja | slapd's listening on port 636 now! |
| 01:01.28 | mdh | pattieja: that's ldaps where it should be ;) |
| 01:01.47 | pattieja | mdh, yep |
| 01:02.04 | pattieja | didn't know about the /etc/default/slapd file with the SLAPD_SERVICES variable |
| 01:02.05 | stew | Azar: have fwbuilder write the rules for you |
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| 01:02.27 | daedalus_ | pattieja: 389 is ldap, 636 is ldaps |
| 01:02.28 | mdh | stew: no. learn first. then cheat. |
| 01:02.30 | pattieja | needed to set it to "ldap:/// ldaps:///" to get it to serve both. Hmm. If it get it working, I might just disable ldap:/// in the future |
| 01:02.35 | pattieja | daedalus_, right |
| 01:02.46 | stew | Azar: it will write some nice rules for you to learn from |
| 01:02.46 | pattieja | I knew that, I just didn't know how to enable it under Debian |
| 01:02.49 | pattieja | now I do |
| 01:02.52 | pattieja | and have |
| 01:03.02 | daedalus_ | Cool |
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| 01:04.13 | nse | hello everybody. I recently installed memtest86 and added an entry to my Grub file to boot it from grub. when selected it automatically started a memory test, 1h 30min after the start it still running. there's a row saying that 4 Passes hade been done, that means that the test is been repeted and will do until i stop it?/ |
| 01:04.14 | mdh | meow meow meow meow meow meow |
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| 01:04.55 | daedalus_ | nse: Yup |
| 01:05.00 | nvz | fuck you kitty, you're gonna spend the night OUTSIDE! |
| 01:05.01 | daedalus_ | nse: It goes forever. |
| 01:05.02 | mdh | nvz: its kinda like voilent femmes, "blister in the sun" |
| 01:05.20 | nvz | mdh: yeah only the Presidents songs all completly suck as much as the next |
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| 01:05.23 | daedalus_ | nse: So, stop it once you're reasonably secure in the thought that your memory isn't crap |
| 01:05.39 | Agrajag- | presidents were awesome! |
| 01:05.52 | nse | daedalus_: what the... haha! but, how to know that it isnot crap? how much time? how many passes? |
| 01:05.52 | Guerin | bah |
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| 01:06.08 | mdh | those azerty firefox themes are nice |
| 01:06.11 | Guerin | did people actually like all those worthless nouveau-punk bands of the late 1990s? |
| 01:06.17 | nvz | pfft.. yeah ok, they are right on your shelf between dishwalla and better than esra I bet |
| 01:06.22 | abrotman | Guerin: like green day ? |
| 01:06.26 | daedalus_ | nse: One pass will show you major instabilities, subsequent passes will determine whether you have any transient instability. |
| 01:06.31 | mdh | best thing to come out of france since... um... croissants |
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| 01:06.44 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah, though they've at least shown some staying power |
| 01:06.50 | Agrajag- | i liked the presidents.. the way they weren't trying to be a 'serious' band |
| 01:06.56 | daedalus_ | nse: I usually stop it after 2.... depends upon the reason that you're testing it. |
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| 01:07.04 | abrotman | Guerin: i have to say .. most of them were better than the pseudo-nouveau-punk bands of today :) |
| 01:07.25 | Guerin | abrotman: now there's a non-statement |
| 01:07.25 | Agrajag- | as if lump/tiki god/mach5 aren't awesome songs |
| 01:07.49 | nse | any instabilities in all of the passes. so I'm now sure thing are OK. the reason is that i'm experiencing problems such as X back to GDM, crashes, not responding windows. orphaned inodes.. and so on |
| 01:08.00 | abrotman | Guerin: why ? |
| 01:08.11 | nvz | yeah, like Frank Zappa, and dont eat the yellow snow :P thats a real dumb song |
| 01:08.17 | daedalus_ | nse: If you're trying to figure out why your machine crashes every couple of weeks, you might want to let it run a long time (like, overnight). If you're trying to figure out why your machine doesn't boot, then one or two passes should suffice. |
| 01:08.31 | mdh | gump sat alone on a bench in the park. "my name is Forrest" he'd casually remark. sitting there with his hands in his pockets, saying that life is like a box of chocolates |
| 01:08.44 | ady | kemana aja |
| 01:08.45 | Guerin | abrotman: nouveau-punk > pseudo-nouveau-punk |
| 01:08.51 | ady | halo semmuanya |
| 01:08.59 | mdh | he's gump, he's gump, he's gump, what's in his head? he's gump, he's gump, he's gump, is he in-bred? |
| 01:09.04 | nse | daedalus_: it does crashes 2 times in a day |
| 01:09.09 | abrotman | Guerin: oh come on .. it was dead on |
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| 01:09.18 | Guerin | abrotman: oh, you're right. |
| 01:09.19 | Agrajag- | sorry mdh that's pretty bad :P |
| 01:09.38 | daedalus_ | nse: Ouch. If it's not shown any bad areas yet, then it's probably not the memory. |
| 01:09.40 | mdh | Agrajag-: blame Weird Al Yankovich, not me ;) |
| 01:09.45 | nse | daedalus_: i want to check my HD now, any good tool for that? |
| 01:09.59 | Agrajag- | oh. if it's weird al that's ok then |
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| 01:10.03 | simonrvn | problem: currently connecting with dialup; machine that's doing the connecting can't, every other box behind it can. WTF is going on, and does anyone have a solution? |
| 01:10.07 | furrywolf | nse: what motherboard? |
| 01:10.15 | mdh | nvz: play it backwards |
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| 01:10.29 | mdh | you'll get your house back, your wife back, your dog back, ... |
| 01:10.42 | nvz | mdh: too much like work. I would have to open audacity, import it and resample.. blah blah blah |
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| 01:11.02 | nvz | mdh: heh this one he just broke some bones I recon.. well he lost his dad too |
| 01:11.04 | nse | furrywolf: possibly one of those generic ones, for Pentium IV, with everything onboard... how to know exaclty? |
| 01:11.13 | daedalus_ | nse: Umm... someone suggested one earlier. |
| 01:11.16 | simonrvn | i tried clamping MSS to PMTU, but still the same crap. |
| 01:11.35 | nse | daedalus_: yes, i forget the name... |
| 01:11.36 | abrotman | simonrvn: can't what ? |
| 01:11.45 | nvz | mdh: its actually a happy sound IMO |
| 01:11.45 | furrywolf | nse: pull off the case and look at the board? in any case, most p4s are too new to have bad caps, so that's probably not it. checked CPU temp? try a new power supply. |
| 01:11.54 | nvz | s/sound/song/ |
| 01:12.06 | simonrvn | can't connect anywhere, like fetch web pages, and mail sent out from the box in question times out |
| 01:12.12 | abrotman | simonrvn: routing ? |
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| 01:12.33 | simonrvn | furrywolf: long story. abrotman: that's my thought |
| 01:12.44 | nse | furrywolf: i mean, don't we have any app that shows all that information about our hardware? |
| 01:12.55 | simonrvn | but i'm at loss as to what kind of route editing i should do |
| 01:12.56 | abrotman | simonrvn: but i always used pon/poff/pppconfig .. and the route seemed to always work out |
| 01:13.08 | nse | furrywolf: how to checl the CPU temp? |
| 01:13.16 | furrywolf | nse: sorry, linux developers have something better to do than try to develop a way of identifying every single motherboard on the planet. |
| 01:13.18 | abrotman | simonrvn: /sbin/route -n ? |
| 01:13.23 | simonrvn | abrotman: using that, works out fine for the other machines |
| 01:13.35 | furrywolf | nse: apt-get install mbmon ; mbmon |
| 01:13.45 | BhaalWK | Is the a problem with current sid version of kmail? |
| 01:13.46 | nse | furrywolf: ok |
| 01:13.47 | simonrvn | nse: recent machines can use sensors util from lm-sensors |
| 01:13.49 | mdh | nvz: my ex was really into country... she had all the garth brooks, clint black, randy travis, ... |
| 01:13.50 | abrotman | simonrvn: if you traceroute .. where does it go ? |
| 01:13.54 | abrotman | BhaalWK: #debian-kde |
| 01:13.58 | simonrvn | sec |
| 01:13.59 | BhaalWK | aye |
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| 01:14.10 | nse | simonrvn: and how to use these sensors? |
| 01:14.13 | daedalus_ | nse: google maybe? |
| 01:14.30 | PerfDave | nse: apt-get install lm-sensors; sensors-detect (as root) |
| 01:14.31 | nvz | mdh: I am a victim of RIAA mental piracy.. I have to change taste every soo often just to get some variety |
| 01:15.02 | nvz | mdh: I have my favorites of course, like anyone else, but I listen to all kinds of music |
| 01:15.14 | nse | PerfDave: will it detect the chipset of my motherboard and other things like that? |
| 01:15.19 | mdh | nvz: same here. for me it comes from being a musician. |
| 01:15.44 | PerfDave | nse: It'll probe your system for different temperature and voltage sensors and try to make use of them. |
| 01:15.48 | simonrvn | abrotman: damned slow, average seems around 200 |
| 01:16.04 | nse | furrywolf: that's my output, all ok? Temp.= 34.0, 32.0, 42.0; Rot.= 3590, 3013, 2960 |
| 01:16.04 | nse | Vcore = 1.52, 2.54; Volt. = 3.26, 5.03, 11.31, -3.84, -5.90 ?? |
| 01:16.07 | mdh | well.. some other stuff too |
| 01:16.19 | simonrvn | UDP and ICMP seem to work, just TCP seems fucked, hence my thought of setting the clamping in iptables |
| 01:16.19 | PerfDave | nse: Once you've got it configured, you can use tools like ksensors to get a nice display of your CPU temperature :) |
| 01:16.22 | nvz | mdh: make whatever excuses make you feel better |
| 01:16.28 | mdh | ;-P |
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| 01:16.38 | abrotman | simonrvn: but where did it og ? |
| 01:16.40 | abrotman | err go |
| 01:16.48 | furrywolf | nse: not too bad. |
| 01:16.53 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's going external .. not internal right ? |
| 01:16.54 | nse | PerfDave: hmm. that sound cool, any graphical way to use it with Gnome? |
| 01:17.03 | simonrvn | abrotman: i was tracerouting to irc.freenode.net, seemed ok, except slow |
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| 01:17.09 | simonrvn | yes |
| 01:17.14 | furrywolf | your power supply doesn't seem to bother with the negative voltages, but not many do anymore. :) |
| 01:17.16 | nse | furrywolf: what do you mean? is something that should not be as it is? |
| 01:17.18 | abrotman | simonrvn: but no web services work ? |
| 01:17.40 | mdh | simonrvn: have you done something silly like firewall the router box? |
| 01:17.41 | furrywolf | nse: the 12v is a tiny bit low, but that just means you have a crap power supply. it's not low enough to cause problems. |
| 01:17.42 | simonrvn | abrotman: yeh; fetching a page or sending email take forever, and time out eventually |
| 01:17.57 | abrotman | simonrvn: like .. telnet www.yahoo.com 80 .. times out? |
| 01:18.05 | peterS | nvz: oooh |
| 01:18.09 | simonrvn | trying a telnet |
| 01:18.11 | abrotman | ronnie ? |
| 01:18.15 | Supaplex | nvz: and what's the first? :) |
| 01:18.18 | PerfDave | nse: No idea, I don't use gnome. |
| 01:18.31 | nvz | Supaplex: please... I cant give all my secrets |
| 01:18.37 | nse | furrywolf: to go round this i need another power font? |
| 01:18.44 | PerfDave | nse: You can run ksensors in Gnome, of course. |
| 01:18.46 | mdh | Supaplex: n00b ;) |
| 01:18.50 | Supaplex | nvz: heh |
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| 01:19.14 | nvz | you always have to leave something to the imagination |
| 01:19.21 | Guerin | yeeps: Temp.= 73.0, 67.0 |
| 01:19.24 | simonrvn | ... |
| 01:19.24 | nvz | room for interpretation if you will |
| 01:19.27 | Guerin | my mobo is damn hot |
| 01:19.28 | abrotman | simonrvn: ? |
| 01:19.40 | abrotman | Guerin: maybe in kelvin |
| 01:19.41 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:19.43 | PerfDave | nse: Anyway, it loks like your CPU temperature is fine, and your RAM is fine. You may want to look at your hard drive health. |
| 01:19.45 | simonrvn | libssl0.9.6 cannot load shared library, no such file or directory... |
| 01:19.55 | furrywolf | Guerin: those are too hot. some cpus are only reated for 65C... :P |
| 01:19.59 | furrywolf | rated |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | simonrvn: wtf |
| 01:20.15 | Guerin | furrywolf: dunno. |
| 01:20.18 | PerfDave | Guerin: My Athlon runs at 65-70 degrees. I need to improve its cooling. |
| 01:20.25 | abrotman | furrywolf: it's not hot at all |
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| 01:20.31 | Guerin | this is an old p2 laptop |
| 01:20.34 | simonrvn | abrotman: ran deborphan and didn't pay attention... |
| 01:20.39 | Guerin | i just turned the fan on |
| 01:20.44 | abrotman | furrywolf: if you look at specs for athlon .. they cna go up to 100 |
| 01:20.50 | furrywolf | my cpus used to run at high 30s, now are high 40s... time to clean the fansinks. both cpus fansinks are getting dusty... |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | simonrvn: so you did something bad ? |
| 01:20.57 | nse | PerfDave: that is what I'll do now.. somebody told me a name of an app to test it, but i can't remember the name. any good one for me? |
| 01:21.01 | furrywolf | abrotman: I didn't know he had an athlon. :P |
| 01:21.11 | abrotman | furrywolf: it was just a comment about cpu temps |
| 01:21.12 | simonrvn | abrotman: as to the telnet dep libs, yes =) |
| 01:21.15 | PerfDave | nse: Not off the top of my head. |
| 01:21.21 | abrotman | doh |
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| 01:21.27 | PerfDave | My Athlon was running at 105 earlier :/ |
| 01:21.29 | pattieja | hmm. still not working. :( |
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| 01:21.37 | pattieja | oh well. I'll work on it tomorrow |
| 01:21.40 | foo | Hmm, how can I change the screen resolution? |
| 01:21.41 | pattieja | night |
| 01:21.47 | Guerin | !drxx foo |
| 01:21.48 | dpkg | foo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:21.48 | abrotman | !drxx foo |
| 01:22.04 | daedalus_ | PerfDave: 105C ??!!?? |
| 01:22.06 | mdh | simonrvn: telnet-ssl |
| 01:22.07 | foo | Hmm, ok, was wondering if there was an easier way. |
| 01:22.10 | nse | PerfDave: and just another thing, the mbmon output is infinite, it still giving me the information whithout stopping, which keys to press to stop it? |
| 01:22.11 | foo | Thanks Guerin and abrotman |
| 01:22.12 | abrotman | that is the easy way |
| 01:22.18 | PerfDave | nse: Control-C probably |
| 01:22.24 | mdh | simonrvn: so you get encrypted telnet, don't have to send your login & passwd over plaintxt |
| 01:22.25 | simonrvn | mdh yes, but 0.9.6? why not 0.9.7? |
| 01:22.28 | furrywolf | my duron box had the fan die... got so hot I couldn't touch the CASE anywhere near the cpu. came home and found the box crashed, and the case too hot to remove... I haven't tested it afterwards, since the box was due to be retired anyway... |
| 01:22.37 | mdh | simonrvn: not very well maintained :) |
| 01:22.39 | tsudo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.52 | Guerin | furrywolf: well, this box is 100% rock-solid stable |
| 01:22.53 | nse | PerfDave: worked. i didn't understand you.. any good app to test my hard disk? |
| 01:22.54 | PerfDave | daedalus_: Yeah, the fan on my CPU cooler was wired the wrong way round ;) |
| 01:22.55 | simonrvn | mdh so it would seem... *sigh* |
| 01:22.58 | Guerin | and has been for years |
| 01:23.05 | PerfDave | nse: I don't know what app you want to test your hard disk. |
| 01:23.11 | Guerin | so I wonder if the sensor is reading something wrong |
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| 01:23.29 | nse | PerfDave: nor i do. that's exactly the ponit. |
| 01:23.42 | mdh | Guerin: do you actually have a sensor that its reading at all? lm-sensors makes some assumptions sometimes which are wrong |
| 01:23.46 | abrotman | like .. you turn it on . does it instantly go to say .. 40C ? |
| 01:23.54 | Guerin | mdh: using mbmon |
| 01:23.58 | simonrvn | anywa, i tried with w3m, and wouldn't find anything... it *seems* to behave like it needs the clamp-mss-to-pmtu setting in iptables, but doesn't seem to have an effect |
| 01:24.03 | Guerin | never did get around to installing lm-sensors |
| 01:24.14 | PerfDave | abrotman: Not instantly, but they heat up pretty quickly. |
| 01:24.15 | tsudo | I have a func declared as 'ssize_t' in the .h but implemented as 'int' in the .c (this is v4l generic.c) |
| 01:24.28 | abrotman | simonrvn: what is the UG in the route -n ? |
| 01:24.30 | furrywolf | I've never gotten lm-sensors to work... mbmon works perfectly. doesn't matter what modules I have or what I try, lm-sensors doesn't work. I decided it was broken. :P |
| 01:24.30 | PerfDave | tsudo: ask #gcc or something :) |
| 01:24.36 | tsudo | thx |
| 01:24.45 | PerfDave | lm-sensors works just fine for me. |
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| 01:24.51 | simonrvn | abrotman: the peer's IP |
| 01:25.01 | peterS | tsudo: size_t is unsigned long, I think ssize_t is long |
| 01:25.15 | monkeywk | Hi everyone I could use your help in a big way if possible. I made a mistake and ended up deleting several messages out of the /var/qmail/queue/mess folder and now in my /var/log/qmail/current file there are tons of entries from the TO-DO complaining about the items not being processed. Anyone know of an easy way to repair this? |
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| 01:25.19 | peterS | tsudo: long is not int except on 32-bit platforms |
| 01:25.27 | nse | does anyone know a good tool for me to check if there is any problem with my hard disk? |
| 01:25.37 | Supaplex | just maybe |
| 01:25.38 | Guerin | nse: badblocks |
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| 01:25.50 | redluorg | guys, i did an apt-get upgrade earlier and apt-get was complaining it couldn't authenticate the packages, what's up with that? |
| 01:25.58 | Guerin | !apt-secure |
| 01:25.58 | dpkg | somebody said apt-secure was the working name of a project to add to APT the ability to verify the authenticity of Debian. See http://monk.debian.net/apt-secure/ |
| 01:25.59 | abrotman | simonrvn: you did all the right firewall stuffs ? |
| 01:26.00 | monkeywk | nse: Maybe try using smartmontools? |
| 01:26.15 | Supaplex | whaaa |
| 01:26.22 | simonrvn | abrotman: AFAICT |
| 01:26.26 | nse | Guerin: orphaned inodes is the mais problem.. x crashing. no problems with memory or CPU temp |
| 01:26.44 | Guerin | nse: oh. fsck, then. |
| 01:26.45 | monkeywk | Anyone here fairly familiar with QMAIL? |
| 01:26.46 | simonrvn | i've gone over it over and over, donesn't seem fucked |
| 01:26.48 | abrotman | simonrvn: what if you start backing out certain rules ? |
| 01:26.54 | Guerin | monkeywk: unlikely. |
| 01:26.57 | simonrvn | yeh, you read my mind |
| 01:27.40 | PerfDave | monkeywk: #qmail ? |
| 01:27.44 | mdh | monkeywk: restore them from your backups |
| 01:27.53 | nse | Guerin: the orphaned inodes are corrected now. my main problem are those: x crashing all the time, not responding windows. so i think it's time to check the HD. right? |
| 01:28.23 | mdh | monkeywk: you can't possibly have a problem with qmail. qmail is perfect and doesn't have any problems. just ask djb |
| 01:28.53 | nse | monkeywk: how to lauch it? |
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| 01:29.01 | PerfDave | nse: Do you have the problems if you don't run X? |
| 01:29.31 | nse | PerfDave: that's something quite hard to answer. i'm always running X. |
| 01:29.47 | abrotman | !qmail |
| 01:29.47 | dpkg | from memory, qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or ... |
| 01:29.48 | PerfDave | nse: It could be that you're using the wrong X driver, or your video card is causing trouble. This can cause your computer to lock up, which means that your data doesn't get written to the hard drive properly. |
| 01:29.58 | Supaplex | nse: what if you don't have the pc on. is it ok then? |
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| 01:30.02 | PerfDave | nse: So try not running X for a while, see if your machine has any problems. |
| 01:30.08 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 01:31.00 | peterS | tsudo: making types agree is almost always the right thing to do |
| 01:31.08 | nse | PerfDave: reconfiguring xserver-xfree86 correctly will make things right? |
| 01:31.41 | PerfDave | nse: Not necessarily. If your video card is dodgy, then it won't help. |
| 01:31.43 | tsudo | I'm erring on the side of "wtf, it's amd64 so it must be the generic one" |
| 01:31.52 | nse | Supaplex: if the pc is off there's no object of discussion. no ways of making questions nor giving answers |
| 01:31.55 | PerfDave | nse: Try running with no X for a while, seeing if it helps. |
| 01:32.03 | peterS | tsudo: hmmm, it seems ssize_t *is* int in at least some cases. maybe I'm misremembering what it's for |
| 01:32.15 | Supaplex | nse: hence the ;) |
| 01:32.25 | mdh | tsudo: what's the issue? |
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| 01:32.29 | nse | Supaplex: haha! =P |
| 01:32.52 | peterS | mdh: he's got a disagreement between a header file and a C implementation - the header says ssize_t, the implementation says int |
| 01:32.58 | peterS | mdh: he's wondering which to change, if either |
| 01:33.07 | nse | monkeywk: how to lauch smartmontools to check it? |
| 01:33.08 | mdh | peterS: change the int to ssize_t |
| 01:33.14 | tsudo | peterS, I'm hoping ssize_t works. it points to a data structure in the kernel |
| 01:33.23 | mdh | peterS: for starters, it'll be more gcc-4.0 friendly |
| 01:33.24 | Guerin | nse: that sounds unlike a harddrive problem to me |
| 01:33.28 | peterS | tsudo: right, the kernel uses ssize_t quite a bit |
| 01:33.33 | tsudo | and since it's amd64, it probably has a 64bit address |
| 01:33.38 | Guerin | nse: sounds more like a driver/mobo/vodeo card issue |
| 01:33.47 | mdh | ssize_t is int on 32-bit arches |
| 01:34.00 | nse | Guerin: sounds like.. so what to do? |
| 01:34.11 | tsudo | didn't work without warnings... but I think they're unrelated.... yep |
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| 01:34.24 | peterS | mdh: what *does* ssize_t mean exactly? is it just intended to be 'signed size_t'? |
| 01:34.29 | simonrvn1 | *sigh* |
| 01:34.37 | Guerin | nse: isolate variables. Use a different driver. use a different video card. see if either change makes a difference. |
| 01:34.58 | revenger | does anyone know the format of the v4l output? |
| 01:35.08 | mdh | peterS: Dr Google claims the "s" is "small" |
| 01:35.34 | peterS | mdh: weird that read() takes a size_t and returns a ssize_t, then |
| 01:35.45 | peterS | mdh: since the two represent the same thing |
| 01:36.07 | nse | Guerin: no ways to isolate them, i do not have sufficient knowlegde to trat with drivers nor ways of getting different video card. you could give me a more simple way. like reconfiguring X |
| 01:36.15 | peterS | mdh: I do note that read() claims to return an error if it's asked to read more than SSIZE_MAX at a time |
| 01:36.28 | abrotman | simonrvn1: not fun eh ? |
| 01:36.33 | nse | Guerin: I'll try to run debian without X for a while. se if it works |
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| 01:36.54 | Guerin | nse: what video card? |
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| 01:37.36 | mdh | peterS: "signed" makes more sense to me |
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| 01:37.45 | abrotman | PerfDave: you slacker .. you have no work! |
| 01:37.53 | nse | Guerin: how to know. probably one of those everything-onboard for pentium IV |
| 01:37.55 | peterS | mdh: right. which also implies "small" as in "half the range" (: |
| 01:38.03 | mdh | http://wwwwbs.cs.tu-berlin.de/user-taipan/kraxel/gnuinfo/libc/I_O_Primitives.html |
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| 01:38.26 | leitao_ | anyone knows the name of the package that measure the others package usage? |
| 01:38.46 | peterS | mdh: right, thanks |
| 01:38.47 | Guerin | nse: lspci will tell you. |
| 01:39.19 | Guerin | !ds |
| 01:39.19 | dpkg | methinks ds is a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds |
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| 01:39.32 | abrotman | it's also a nintendo! |
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| 01:39.45 | badbread334 | hey all |
| 01:39.52 | nse | Guerin: what is this a package? |
| 01:40.04 | Guerin | nse: a program. Type it in a shell. |
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| 01:41.07 | leitao_ | Guerin : is ds in what package? i dont have it in my shell |
| 01:41.48 | Guerin | leitao_: read the fucking factoid above. It contains a url |
| 01:41.48 | simonrvn1 | abrotman: no |
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| 01:43.05 | nse | Guerin: it is not, to type what? ispci ? |
| 01:43.11 | leitao_ | Guerin : i thought i could use apt-get. sorry |
| 01:43.24 | Guerin | nse: yes. |
| 01:43.28 | mdh | does anyone happen to be subscribed to the git mailing list and know why the gelato archives are down? |
| 01:43.45 | liable | er... lspci |
| 01:43.53 | mentor | !comfort simonrvn |
| 01:43.54 | dpkg | There, there, simonrvn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:43.54 | Guerin | yeah |
| 01:44.01 | Guerin | lspci, not ispci |
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| 01:44.44 | nse | Guerin: i don't have this command. there's no debian package for that. what now? |
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| 01:45.16 | simonrvn | in case anyone's curious as to what happened, they can see it here http://www.istop.com/status.html and /news.html |
| 01:45.17 | leitao_ | Guerin : ds shows me the packages ordered by size. i want an app that list them in usage order. is there any? |
| 01:45.27 | Guerin | nse: aptitude install pciutils |
| 01:45.34 | daedalus_ | nse: lspci is in /usr/bin |
| 01:45.37 | Guerin | leitao_: oh, as in how much you use aa given package? |
| 01:45.43 | Guerin | no, it's in /bin |
| 01:45.45 | initech | leitao_: popularity-contest does that I believe |
| 01:45.49 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's canadian! |
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| 01:45.54 | leitao_ | Guerin : sure. |
| 01:45.57 | leitao_ | initech : thx |
| 01:45.58 | Guerin | no, it's in both /bin and /usr/bin |
| 01:46.32 | Azar | out of topic but some might be interested in this : http://geminis.dyndns.org/wordpress/index.php/2005/07/04/random-number-generators-what-do-you-need-one-for/ |
| 01:46.41 | Guerin | popularity-contest only reports whether a package is installed or not |
| 01:46.44 | simonrvn | abrotman yes. based in ottawa. i'm considering one in montreal, instead of the big corporate one our contract was sold to (based in calgary and toronto) |
| 01:46.56 | daedalus_ | Guerin: /bin/lspci is a symlink to /usr/bin/lspci |
| 01:46.59 | Guerin | leitao_: it's a pretty worthless metric, actually. |
| 01:47.09 | initech | Guerin: oh well |
| 01:47.10 | Guerin | daedalus_: oh, i was just looking at dpkg -S output |
| 01:47.13 | abrotman | simonrvn: doesn't sound fun |
| 01:47.16 | simonrvn | cybersurf.... i checked the IP i have with hinfo, and they're in several DNSBLs |
| 01:47.40 | simonrvn | abroatman: no it isn't. we had dsl for all of a day last week |
| 01:47.42 | nse | daedalus_: it is an executable |
| 01:47.47 | Guerin | leitao_: since about the top 100 packages on that list will always be shared libraries |
| 01:47.48 | liable | leitao_: usage of what? how often you use it? |
| 01:48.07 | nse | daedalus_: sorry for my lack of knowledge, how to lauch it? |
| 01:48.14 | abrotman | simonrvn: this is colo . or office connectivity ? |
| 01:48.25 | simonrvn | went down tuesday or wednesday; then changed the login, then it went down again because of bellnexxia's incompetence |
| 01:48.27 | leitao_ | Guerin : no problem, i want to see the not so much used, cause it will be the first to be swapped off my system. |
| 01:48.36 | simonrvn | residential DSL |
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| 01:49.26 | nse | Guerin: it is already intalled, the newst version. how to lauch Lspci ? |
| 01:49.44 | liable | oh my. |
| 01:49.49 | simonrvn | fucking idiots pulled the DSL activation cards to certain number of istop customers. fucking stupid greedy bastards |
| 01:50.00 | abrotman | smart people |
| 01:50.02 | liable | nse: just type lspci in a shell |
| 01:50.03 | Nurbs | nice, gcc 4 default now, mhm |
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| 01:50.37 | abrotman | simonrvn: right .. because what you have now is sooo much better :) |
| 01:50.58 | nse | liable: strangely worked |
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| 01:51.22 | peterS | Nurbs: nice but scary too. lots of C++ stuff will have problems in the transition |
| 01:51.23 | liable | nse: indeed, quite unusuall. |
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| 01:51.59 | simonrvn | hey i get to keep my IP block, and allowed servers still, thanks to the laws here. once we're back up, i'm gonna check out that other isp. little local thing, they offer dsl, and i'm going to see if they offer statis IPs too. if they do, and however many i need, i'm going with them |
| 01:52.05 | Nurbs | peterS: yes ... but I'm all for early fixing of broken software :) |
| 01:52.19 | abrotman | simonrvn: you don't have .. speakeasy ? |
| 01:52.24 | Nurbs | peterS: many kernel modules seem to need patches, too *sigh* |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | err .. in canada i mean |
| 01:52.33 | simonrvn | no. they don't go up here |
| 01:52.53 | nse | Guerin: that's the video card: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] |
| 01:53.05 | mdh | simonrvn: my sister has satellite through... umm... lemme check |
| 01:53.23 | nse | Guerin: anything you know that can help me by now? |
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| 01:53.50 | pumpitup | boo |
| 01:54.38 | mdh | simonrvn: bmts |
| 01:55.23 | simonrvn | bmts? never heard of them. though it sounds like mts added a b to the front of their acornym ;p |
| 01:55.24 | abrotman | hoo |
| 01:55.42 | mdh | simonrvn: might be a local job... she lives in tiverton |
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| 01:55.54 | simonrvn | oh ok |
| 01:56.13 | mdh | http://www.bmts.com/ |
| 01:56.18 | jczajkowski | anyone know how to add modules to kcontrol in kde? |
| 01:56.31 | simonrvn | yup. apt-get install libssl0.9.6 times out... |
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| 01:58.23 | pumpitup | wow ppl still have those? |
| 01:58.26 | liable | nse: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, what is the cursor on, in the first screen? |
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| 01:59.28 | nse | liable: vesa |
| 01:59.37 | liable | nse: try savage. |
| 01:59.39 | simonrvn | anyway. BBL. thanks everyone |
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| 02:02.06 | nse | liable: ok it is reconfigured with savage. what is the main problem? why did it choose vesa for a default one? is it based in an auto detecting? |
| 02:03.28 | michal__ | i'm having a problem where lprng seems to wait eternally (or a long time) for locked files whenever I try to do any operation.. print, list print queue.. or anything else.. anyone know what could be causing this? |
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| 02:04.34 | michal__ | an lpq command takes 38 seconds AT LEAST |
| 02:04.44 | liable | nse: vesa is like generic which is ok, savage is the proper one for your card. Might not make a difference, but see what happens.. |
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| 02:04.47 | michal__ | and each print job takes between a few minutes to half an hour to print |
| 02:05.16 | michal__ | and I constantly have a process like this: |
| 02:05.17 | michal__ | daemon 13994 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Zs 22:08 0:00 [lpd] <defunct> |
| 02:05.20 | dogayonv | Can anyone tell me either where to get realplayer version 8 or a compatible player? |
| 02:05.32 | michal__ | but if i stop lprng it stops all processes.. if i start it it takes forever to start |
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| 02:05.57 | stew | dogayonv: have you tried mplayer? |
| 02:06.07 | dogayonv | no will mplayer do Real files? |
| 02:06.21 | abrotman | dogayonv: there's a linux player for real formats |
| 02:06.28 | michal__ | it seems to get stuck on flock(6, LOCK_EX) |
| 02:06.29 | abrotman | from real.com i mean |
| 02:06.32 | green_earz | dogayonv: apt-get.org |
| 02:06.42 | dogayonv | the problem is the stream im listening to wont work in the newest real player, I need version 8 |
| 02:06.49 | nse | liable: ok |
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| 02:07.21 | abrotman | dogayonv: /msg dpkg helixplayer .. follow links they have for realplayer |
| 02:07.47 | green_earz | dogayonv: the realplayer at apt-get.org is 10 |
| 02:07.51 | dogayonv | I apted helix player already |
| 02:08.04 | dogayonv | ok let me clear this |
| 02:08.12 | abrotman | dogayonv: helix doesn't play real |
| 02:08.16 | dogayonv | real player version 10 will NOT work, I need version 8 :) |
| 02:08.16 | helix | I'm not a player I just crash a lot |
| 02:08.17 | abrotman | dogayonv: did you read the FAQ ? |
| 02:08.19 | michal__ | our client is going to DEMAN we go back to redhat.. from their perspective "all the problems" started when we shifted their gateway to debian :( and I can't figure out what's wrong |
| 02:08.37 | abrotman | helix: drink coffee ? |
| 02:08.38 | pumpitup | msn messenger servers are down what a freakin suprise |
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| 02:08.51 | michal__ | helixplayer |
| 02:08.59 | tsudo | now I have a vermagic problem... fixing version.h in kernel-source... going to check [modules]/build/Makefile after the kernel make... that touches every module :( |
| 02:10.24 | michal__ | lpd is in an almost permenantly Waiting state :( |
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| 02:11.51 | jczajkowski | anyone know what file I need to edit to add a module to kcontrol in kde 3.3.2? |
| 02:11.54 | daedalus_ | michal__: I haven't been keeping up with the convo, but you don't happen to be using lprng? |
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| 02:12.13 | michal__ | daedalus_: yes.. and it's screwed for some reason |
| 02:12.27 | michal__ | daedalus_: something related to file locking it seems |
| 02:12.36 | antoine | byz |
| 02:13.09 | michal__ | this time lpstat -t took 1m0.012s |
| 02:13.15 | michal__ | and that's relatively fast |
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| 02:13.37 | daedalus_ | what's on FD 6? (use strace or check in /proc) |
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| 02:14.23 | jack|h | anyone have a problem with SSH where you'll connect to a server and if you let it idle for a minute or so, it just locks up? |
| 02:14.32 | jack|h | (you have to disconnect and reconnect) |
| 02:14.50 | michal__ | daedalus_: how do I do that exactly? |
| 02:14.51 | mdh | helix: I bet you say that to all the boys... |
| 02:15.09 | helix | none of you listen to big pun |
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| 02:15.13 | helix | my cleverness is wasted on you |
| 02:15.35 | abrotman | helix: so explain! |
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| 02:15.40 | daedalus_ | jack|h: probably need to be sending keepalive packets |
| 02:15.53 | helix | he has a song that goes "I'm not a player, I just (crush|fuck) a lot" |
| 02:16.03 | daedalus_ | jack|h: google for your ssh client to find out how |
| 02:16.06 | jack|h | daedalus_: hrm, weird that it doesn't default to that. |
| 02:16.15 | jack|h | daedalus_: it's just open SSH, the default one iwth linux. |
| 02:16.21 | kupal | I have mysql-server-4.1 some apt-get dependency wants mysql-server >= 3 I forget to fix this... |
| 02:16.23 | abrotman | helix: oh .. i'm sorry .. i thought you meant "big pun" .. as in .. big joke .. not really paying attention :) |
| 02:16.24 | kupal | any help? |
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| 02:16.36 | helix | no |
| 02:16.51 | abrotman | obviously |
| 02:16.52 | mdh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Pun |
| 02:16.55 | stew | terror squad |
| 02:17.01 | souluzen | HI |
| 02:17.06 | helix | stew understands me |
| 02:17.11 | stew | word |
| 02:17.13 | kupal | It seems like I need to do a fake package, but umm :( yeah, how to i sppof this dependecy so that mysql-4.1 doesn't get kilt. |
| 02:17.18 | helix | it's because he once spent two minutes speaking to me |
| 02:17.20 | daedalus_ | machal__: Well, with strace, just run either your lprng deamon or your lpd client (whichever you think has the hang) inside strace |
| 02:17.32 | abrotman | stew did .. or big pun did ? |
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| 02:17.38 | daedalus_ | s/machal__/michal__ |
| 02:17.39 | helix | stew did |
| 02:17.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | stew won't come visit me ... |
| 02:18.00 | helix | you have to go to nyc |
| 02:18.04 | stew | word |
| 02:18.04 | michal__ | daedalus_: ok.. it's sped up now while i've been bashing my head against it even though i've made no changes.. i'll try and find the details in my scrollback |
| 02:18.10 | helix | he will meet you in the belgian beer bar |
| 02:18.14 | abrotman | helix: no .. his parents are like 20 minutes from e |
| 02:18.15 | abrotman | err from me |
| 02:18.17 | ayah | i have no screen upon boot-up. i want to start X manually to examine the Xfree log file. right now the default runlevel is 2. what change(s) should i do so that X does not start automatically? |
| 02:18.18 | helix | oh heh |
| 02:18.22 | stew | abrotman: more like 2 hours |
| 02:18.28 | abrotman | stew: bucks county ? |
| 02:18.30 | stew | yeah |
| 02:18.34 | abrotman | that's like 20 minutes |
| 02:18.34 | daedalus_ | __michal: I saw the flock(6,...) thing |
| 02:18.38 | stew | really? |
| 02:18.39 | abrotman | unless they're the way north part |
| 02:18.42 | stew | middle |
| 02:18.43 | abrotman | stew: which town ? |
| 02:18.45 | stew | new hope |
| 02:18.48 | gravity | !tell ayah about nox |
| 02:18.50 | abrotman | near lahaska ? |
| 02:18.55 | stew | 1 mile |
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| 02:19.02 | abrotman | stew: peddler's village! |
| 02:19.05 | gravity | !tell ayah about nodm |
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| 02:19.17 | kupal | im asking a deb question here and im getting stew understnads me :).. |
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| 02:19.19 | michal__ | daedalus_: i get the impression that the locks are on the spooled jobs themselves |
| 02:19.25 | stew | my parents house is 1.5 miles from peddler's villiage |
| 02:19.46 | coywolf | Jul 6 02:15:27 cancer init: open(/dev/console): Input/output error |
| 02:19.46 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.48 | mdh | kupal: Big Pun ate lots of stew. Grew to 700 pounds. Then he died. |
| 02:19.51 | abrotman | stew: ok .. maybe that's .. like .. an hour .. maybe. i drive fast .. only time i went i picked up someone in willow grove area .. then went up .. so hard to judge |
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| 02:20.05 | abrotman | stew: i'm guesstimating though |
| 02:20.18 | stew | abrotman: last few times i've been in pa i've been crazy busy with weddings |
| 02:20.25 | daedalus_ | michal__: Is it timing out and not reporting the jobs, or is it just taking forever/ |
| 02:20.29 | mdh | gravity: how goes the x11 thing? need some help? |
| 02:20.30 | abrotman | stew: google says 1.5 hours |
| 02:20.31 | ayah | gravity, i can't get to console with ctrl-alt-fN. |
| 02:20.35 | jack|h | daedalus_: is KeepAlive a server or client option? |
| 02:20.35 | abrotman | stew: i'm faster than google! |
| 02:20.55 | abrotman | and holy crap is that a horrible route |
| 02:20.58 | daedalus_ | jack|h: both. But you're wanting the client option, methinks. |
| 02:21.01 | JRlinux | dpkg if you are still here-- thanks for the command I need to install KDE-- Question, am I right in assuming I do that as root? |
| 02:21.02 | dpkg | JRlinux: what are you talking about? |
| 02:21.08 | michal__ | daedalus_: taking forever. but it fixed itself for the moment and i have no idea why.. |
| 02:21.10 | abrotman | stew: actually i've been thinking about going to the exhibit at MoMA |
| 02:21.14 | gravity | mdh: It's coming along. If you want to help attacking the TODO list, please feel free! |
| 02:21.22 | daedalus_ | JRlinux: dpkg is a bot. |
| 02:21.26 | jack|h | daedalus_: my client config doesn't have it listed. I'll add it and see what happens |
| 02:21.36 | gravity | ayah: Hrm... I've never had that problem before. You can open up an xterm though, right? |
| 02:21.38 | JRlinux | Ooops, sorry |
| 02:21.39 | stew | kupal: what exactly is the problem you are having? |
| 02:21.45 | stew | abrotman: yeah you should visit nyc |
| 02:21.50 | mdh | gravity: where can I find this todo list? (I haven't pulled down any packages) |
| 02:21.56 | kupal | " mysql-client: Depends: mysql-common (>= 4.0.24-10) Conflicts: ysql-client-4.1 but 4.1.11a-4 is to be installed" is my problem, any solutions? |
| 02:22.00 | abrotman | stew: i've been there .. we lost my brother at fao :) |
| 02:22.03 | ayah | gravity, can't open xterm either. |
| 02:22.25 | stew | heh |
| 02:22.27 | gravity | ayah: Hrm... well... you could do some horrendous stuff like messing with init at boot time I guess |
| 02:22.31 | daedalus_ | jack|H: ssh -o TCPKeepAlive |
| 02:22.35 | abrotman | gravity: i bet if you put a URL for the TODO in the factoid .. you might get more help :) |
| 02:22.46 | stew | kupal: what are you trying to do? install mysql client? |
| 02:22.53 | daedalus_ | jack|h, or in your ssh config file |
| 02:22.58 | liable | ayah: append single to kernel line in grub. |
| 02:23.02 | abrotman | stew: i haven't been to nyc in maybe .. 7 years .. how sad |
| 02:23.02 | gravity | abrotman: For the TODO? I doubt it... most people aren't going to help |
| 02:23.04 | JRlinux | so, anyone... PerfDave ? I do the /msg dpkg install kde as root? |
| 02:23.10 | abrotman | gravity: you never know |
| 02:23.16 | ayah | gravity, that's what i want to know how.i have examined those rc.N files, most of them have S<number> for xdm. |
| 02:23.22 | gravity | mdh: http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk/debian/TODO |
| 02:23.32 | ayah | liable, i use lilo. |
| 02:23.38 | daedalus_ | michal__: THat's not a good sign. And doesn't help matters when it shits a brick middle of business tomorrow |
| 02:23.45 | kupal | no i have this package, i alrady have mysql setup and replicating, this package wants >= mysql-{stuffz} I would like to keep my stuff.. it seems like the fix for this a long time ago in a simular situation was a dummy .deb package but i forget how this works.. or if someone can offer me any better solutions thats good too.. |
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| 02:24.10 | kupal | ahh pseudo pakcage was the name |
| 02:24.10 | mdh | gravity: oh, yo're working out of that repo? cool |
| 02:24.11 | daedalus_ | michal__: could it have been trying to resolv your server's hostname? |
| 02:24.12 | michal__ | daedalus_: exactly.. i hate these sorts of problems.. damn near impossible to track down :/ |
| 02:24.25 | gravity | mdh: Huh? Yeah... the X Strike Force repo |
| 02:24.34 | gravity | I'm doing the Debian packages |
| 02:24.44 | abrotman | gravity: holy poo |
| 02:24.48 | jack|h | daedalus_: thanks for the info. |
| 02:24.56 | daedalus_ | jack|h: np |
| 02:24.58 | mdh | gravity: last time we spoke I was under the impression you weren't using that one |
| 02:24.59 | michal__ | daedalus_: potentially yes.. but i don't see why that would be an intermittent issue given that it only uses /etc/hosts for the resolution of itself |
| 02:25.03 | gravity | Ah |
| 02:25.14 | stew | kupal: you installed mysql via debs or via .tar.gz? |
| 02:25.21 | kupal | debs |
| 02:25.22 | liable | kupal: virtual package? it wants? |
| 02:25.41 | kupal | seems like i should make one to fix this from being a problem.. |
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| 02:26.26 | daedalus_ | michal__: does your /etc/nsswitch.conf file have the hosts line querying 'files' first? |
| 02:26.27 | kbrooks | hello |
| 02:26.30 | stew | kupal: what is the package you are trying to install? |
| 02:26.42 | kbrooks | Failed to fetch ftp://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eog/eog_2.10.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch |
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| 02:26.51 | JRlinux | OK, anyone with an answer here? I have just installed Sarge by netinstall, and have command line only. In doing further installs, I need to log in as root, right? |
| 02:26.53 | kbrooks | why do i get that? |
| 02:26.54 | liable | kbrooks: #ubuntu |
| 02:27.01 | daedalus_ | JRLinux: yes |
| 02:27.06 | stew | kbrooks: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 02:27.07 | michal__ | daedalus_: hosts: files dns |
| 02:27.10 | JRlinux | daedalus, thank you! |
| 02:27.13 | daedalus_ | JRLinux: or use su, or sudo |
| 02:27.14 | michal__ | daedalus_: all default sarge install |
| 02:27.18 | kbrooks | ok |
| 02:27.22 | JRlinux | Gotcha! |
| 02:27.29 | daedalus_ | michal__: Ok, good to know. |
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| 02:27.37 | dmesg | hi guys |
| 02:27.41 | stew | kbrooks: actually nm thats somehting else, ask #ubuntu |
| 02:28.09 | JRlinux | michal ... all default sarge install? Is that something that can help me finish up my netinstall? |
| 02:28.28 | ignatius | so |
| 02:28.34 | ignatius | I'm about to download a kernel from kernel.org |
| 02:28.35 | abrotman | gravity: reading that makes me realize i don't know jackshit about X |
| 02:28.39 | ignatius | and I want to put it on my debian system |
| 02:28.40 | daedalus_ | JRlinux: Ah, no, he was just telling me that none of his /etc/ files have been doctored |
| 02:28.46 | abrotman | !tell ignatius about kp |
| 02:28.54 | JRlinux | OK daedalus thanks |
| 02:29.02 | gravity | abrotman: Most of it is debian-packaging system specific stuff |
| 02:29.07 | gravity | Which is being largely tossed anyway |
| 02:29.20 | abrotman | gravity: i'm not sure about that |
| 02:29.25 | kbrooks | stew, i simply wat to disable that. |
| 02:29.29 | ayah | so, what or how to mod those init files so that X does not start on boot-up? |
| 02:29.36 | kbrooks | stew, thats all |
| 02:29.56 | abrotman | gravity: of course . it's your todo . not mine .. mine is very short :) |
| 02:30.18 | daedalus_ | michal__: thinking |
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| 02:30.51 | stew | kbrooks: i dunno that you really do, you should ask the package/repository maintainer what is up or switch to a non-broken mirror |
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| 02:31.22 | ignatius | !kp |
| 02:31.22 | dpkg | well, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 02:31.23 | abrotman | gravity: my debian todo is "Find a piece of software i like enough to package and maintain and apply for DD" :) |
| 02:31.40 | daedalus_ | michal__: were you working on lprng in redhat before? |
| 02:31.49 | gravity | abrotman: Dude, sign on to a package that interests you. That's what we need, not more packages that aren't yet in Debian |
| 02:32.01 | gravity | abrotman: We need more people working on what we've got, not expanding things |
| 02:32.22 | michal__ | daedalus_: cupsys but that proved to be very troublesome to administer as all other machines were running lprng |
| 02:33.28 | ignatius | so - have you guys used kp ? |
| 02:33.37 | gravity | abrotman: If you want to help out with X, for example, I'd love to have you on board. |
| 02:33.50 | gravity | abrotman: But there's about a zillion places in Debian that need help, even if it doesn't look like it |
| 02:33.59 | daedalus_ | michal__: Hmm... Have you tried plugging in cupsys with the old configs? Maybe a quick fix to settle the instability while you figure out the finer sticky bits of lprng? |
| 02:34.09 | iLLPoTaTo | apache2-mpm-worker |
| 02:34.15 | iLLPoTaTo | oops |
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| 02:34.56 | phoenixeye | does anyone know how to install debian with a SATA hard drive? I ran the debian installer with a 2.6 kernel but it didn't find the harddrive |
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| 02:35.21 | abrotman | gravity: the wnpp .. not much there |
| 02:35.21 | w_ | loopback built as a module or into the kernel in a stock deb kernel? [2.6] |
| 02:35.23 | WiFiTux | Hi, I upgraded to gcc 4.0 from Sid. So, now I simply need to go into the kernel source and compile the new kernel_image and done? |
| 02:35.25 | abrotman | gravity: X is probably beyond me |
| 02:35.39 | gravity | abrotman: It's not stuff in the wnpp. It's packages you already use and like. |
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| 02:35.51 | abrotman | gravity: and then .. i'd .. i'm .. brandon .. /me wimpers |
| 02:35.57 | gravity | eh? |
| 02:36.01 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:36.02 | WiFiTux | someone? |
| 02:36.07 | gravity | Branden is pretty hands off right now. I'm running the show right now. |
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| 02:36.30 | WiFiTux | catalyst: you are a 6500 Series? |
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| 02:36.34 | abrotman | i can't even spell his name right .. i'm geting really old .. |
| 02:36.34 | Injectors | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.40 | gravity | But realistically, anything you use and are interested in. d-i, Gnome, apt, dpkg, whatever |
| 02:36.54 | abrotman | gravity: i meant the orphaned packages .. not the RFP packages |
| 02:37.04 | catalyst | WiFiTux: what series are u talking about? :) |
| 02:37.06 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, wnpp is useless. It's all stuff no one wants. |
| 02:37.14 | abrotman | gravity: not really true |
| 02:37.17 | WiFiTux | abrotman: upgraded from GCC 3.x to 4.x, do I simply need to do a new kernel image and done? |
| 02:37.18 | gravity | Almost |
| 02:37.27 | WiFiTux | catalyst: Cisco Catalyst switches |
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| 02:37.48 | michal__ | daedalus_: cupsys is a massive pain in the ass. many config files to worry about.. lprng basically has 2. I'm not even sure the problem is lprng. could be a system wide problem |
| 02:37.49 | catalyst | WiFiTux: haha...nah! just the nick :) |
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| 02:38.27 | abrotman | gravity: i'll have to look again ... |
| 02:38.37 | kupal | stew: sorry inet difficulty.. |
| 02:38.48 | gravity | abrotman: Dude... I'm telling you, you won't find anything. The way to get involved is to just jump in on something. |
| 02:38.49 | daedalus_ | michal__: could you try straight lpd and see if that helps? Then do access control using firewall rules? |
| 02:38.53 | abrotman | gravity: also i'm not DD . i can't upload jack |
| 02:39.05 | gravity | abrotman: That's why you join a team. I did a lot of work for d-i before I was a DD |
| 02:39.20 | michal__ | daedalus_: i'm considering something like that.. but i need it to slow down again before I atempt it |
| 02:39.22 | JRlinux | Sorry, I am so new at this... Exactly what do I type, as root, to install KDE? I am not doing it right. |
| 02:39.31 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 02:39.31 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 02:40.10 | abrotman | JRlinux: so .. apt-get install <oneoftheabove> |
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| 02:40.32 | JRlinux | Thanks abrotman! |
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| 02:41.16 | catalyst | now apt-get update required gpgv(gnupg package) to be install? |
| 02:41.18 | kasper | if i'm currently running "testing" how can i update to "unstable" w/o downloading the iso's and booting from a "unstable" disk. (is there a way to do it through apt-get?) |
| 02:41.22 | daedalus_ | michal__: do you have a dev box you can try it on? |
| 02:41.28 | abrotman | kasper: iyhtays |
| 02:41.36 | pumpitup | ok i just plugged in my usb printer how do i know if its detected and working is there some kind of configuration program? |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman | lsusb for starters |
| 02:41.57 | kupal | Okay like i said, before i am install package 'dtc' I have an issue with dependencies; the worst is: mysql-client: Depends: mysql-common (>= 4.0.24-10) Conflicts: mysql-client-4.1 but 4.1.11a-4 is to be installed. Not so much the client but the server, as it also wants to nuke my server.. which is bad as I have a replicating setup.. so whats the solution virtual package/pseudo package.. Or someeonee reccomened something else? |
| 02:42.18 | pumpitup | abrotman : yup detected |
| 02:42.23 | chealer | http://packages.qa.debian.org seems to be lagging quite a bit. will this fix soon (any reference?)? |
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| 02:42.34 | abrotman | then i guess you get to discover the joy of cups |
| 02:42.40 | abrotman | and that's not a high school PE lesson |
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| 02:42.46 | kasper | abrotman: i'll bs aside, i'm pretty fsck up right now, so um...can you break it down a litle bit dumber for me? |
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| 02:43.21 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 02:43.21 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 02:43.53 | daedalus_ | iyhtays? |
| 02:44.08 | chealer | kupal: in which release? |
| 02:44.08 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 02:44.08 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 02:44.13 | kasper | lol. abrotman. ok. well thanks for your wounderfull input as always :) |
| 02:44.20 | kbrooks | kasper, pm |
| 02:44.23 | kbrooks | me |
| 02:44.38 | abrotman | kasper: you jest .. but sid isn't for someone who doesn't know debian |
| 02:44.39 | abrotman | !sid |
| 02:44.40 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 02:44.45 | kbrooks | erm |
| 02:44.51 | abrotman | kasper: basically .. if you can't fix it .. don't use it |
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| 02:45.43 | kasper | abrotman: who said i couldn't fix it, nothign is wrong w/ my sys. just wanted to jump to unstable. debian isn't my first distro, i've been using linux for 8 years. |
| 02:45.46 | kadigibox | I am having a small audio problem. nothing realy big but if anyone could help I would be greatfull. I use oss for sound and whenever my computer restarts my audio settings are reset to a defult. I am wondering what I can do to change the defult so that it goes to my settings on startup |
| 02:46.05 | kasper | just cuz i'm new to "debian" distro doesn't mean i don't know what i'm doing. |
| 02:46.21 | Optical-dlz | kadigibox, install aumix |
| 02:46.26 | michal__ | daedalus_: not one in the same place. having it elsewhere would be useless as we have dozens of boxes around the place with lprng which work just fine :/ |
| 02:46.26 | abrotman | kasper: i'll remember this .. s/testing/unstable/g |
| 02:47.28 | kasper | abrotman: i know i can change /etc/apt/sources.list to unstable and apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade, but i didn't know if there was somthing else that was needed. |
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| 02:47.45 | abrotman | kasper: man apt-get |
| 02:47.56 | doleyb | kasper: no, that's wrong, you wouldn't apt-get upgrade |
| 02:48.39 | abrotman | don't worry .. he's got sid all figured out :) |
| 02:48.40 | Nurbs | even on testing one does probably want a dist-upgrade every now and then |
| 02:48.42 | Nurbs | heh |
| 02:48.44 | kasper | doleyb: exactly see i wasn't sure, thats why i asked, thanks for your input |
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| 02:48.58 | chugga | is sarge testing? |
| 02:49.01 | doleyb | (ok, its "apt-get dist-upgrade" that a hint) |
| 02:49.08 | abrotman | chugga: no |
| 02:49.10 | pumpitup | abrotman : how do i configure cups now ? |
| 02:49.11 | daedalus_ | !topicbadger chugga |
| 02:49.12 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that chugga didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 02:49.13 | Nurbs | doleyb: not necessarily. just read apt-get's man page |
| 02:49.14 | chugga | bugger. whats testing? |
| 02:49.17 | abrotman | pumpitup: no freaking clue |
| 02:49.22 | abrotman | pumpitup: i don't own a printer :) |
| 02:49.22 | pumpitup | lol |
| 02:49.26 | pumpitup | loool |
| 02:49.29 | abrotman | !testing |
| 02:49.29 | dpkg | methinks testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 02:49.46 | kasper | abrotman: i never said i had "anything" figured out. you just wanted to be a smart ass and act like i was a dick for askig a simple question. (although this is a channel to ask questions ). |
| 02:49.46 | pumpitup | anyone else knows how to configure cups? |
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| 02:50.01 | abrotman | kasper: no .. i'm telling you that you don't know enough about debian to use sid |
| 02:50.02 | kasper | doleyb: thanks! |
| 02:50.08 | chugga | abrotman, printers shouldnt be owned. only idiots buy printers |
| 02:50.15 | abrotman | kasper: i've been using debian for .. 7 or so years .. i don't use sid |
| 02:50.32 | chugga | so testing is just testing, it doesnt have a silly name? |
| 02:50.33 | abrotman | kasper: sid breaks .. don't whine about it when it does |
| 02:50.37 | pumpitup | been using debian for 1 week and i use sid lol |
| 02:50.39 | abrotman | chugga: /msg dpkg testing |
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| 02:50.55 | kasper | abrotman: ok well there are cetian reasons i need some sid libs for cetian developemnt progams i'm using that won't run on sarge or ethc. |
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| 02:51.22 | abrotman | kasper: be as cocky as you want .. i'm trying to protect you .. but do whatever you want .. it's not my box . what do i care if it breaks |
| 02:51.31 | kasper | then i'll swtich back to the others as needed. i've done it befroe w/ no probelms. |
| 02:51.34 | abrotman | what libs ? |
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| 02:51.52 | daedalus_ | michal__:Hrmm. I was meaning more so you could up lpd and make sure the configs work before you migrate them into production, not migrate production onto a new server |
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| 02:52.29 | kasper | not being cocky, i just dont take kindly to people trying to make "newbies' as you so call us (or so you think) cuz we ask questions about different distros that have different ways of storing libs. |
| 02:52.41 | abrotman | kasper: what libraries do you need ? |
| 02:53.00 | kasper | libgeck0, and some others for monodevelop |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | that will be in etch very shortly |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | or so i'm told anyways |
| 02:53.44 | abrotman | kasper: sid has serious breakage sometimes .. this isn't a question of your linux ability .. but your debian ability |
| 02:54.09 | kasper | well thanks for the input, and like i said i didn't mean any disrespect. |
| 02:54.11 | abrotman | fucking jabber.org |
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| 02:55.12 | Azar | abrotman, I understand that security updates are not available yet, but what about any other updates? I get 0 updates since mid june when I reinstalled |
| 02:55.12 | chugga | ok i think my install is buggered. i havent upgraded it since january, .. |
| 02:55.18 | chugga | i should do a clean install? :( |
| 02:55.39 | daedalus_ | chugga:What makes you think your install is buggered? |
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| 02:56.15 | chugga | daedalus_, dist-upgrade finished too quickly, and it said zero packages updated |
| 02:56.19 | chealer | Azar: there *are* some security updates now |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | Azar: that's bullshit |
| 02:56.30 | liable | chealer: woody? |
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| 02:56.35 | liable | chugga: ^^ |
| 02:56.36 | Azar | chugga, if you did not upgraded since january, that means you will get upgrades for Sarge if you were to run Woody |
| 02:56.41 | abrotman | Azar: check security.debian.org |
| 02:56.42 | liable | chealer: sorry |
| 02:57.07 | Azar | chealer, abrotman, I just did "aptitude update" then "aptitude dist-upgrade" and.... nothing |
| 02:57.43 | abrotman | Azar: maybe you didn't have them installed ? |
| 02:57.57 | liable | Azar: do you have security in your sources list? (for sarge) |
| 02:57.59 | pumpitup | hmmm could some1 help im trying to install my printer and this is what i get Found "DESKJET 810C" but failed to communicate with it! |
| 02:58.00 | Azar | abrotman, installed..what? |
| 02:58.07 | chugga | Azar, i was using 'testing' |
| 02:58.08 | abrotman | the packages that got security updates |
| 02:58.11 | Azar | liable yes |
| 02:58.20 | Azar | let me check the link again |
| 02:58.26 | abrotman | pumpitup: that's impressive :) |
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| 02:58.32 | kupal | how do i create a virtual package? |
| 02:58.40 | pumpitup | abrotman : bastard :P |
| 02:58.48 | daedalus_ | chugga: So? Nothing wrong with not having any packages to upgrade. |
| 02:58.57 | chealer | kupal: why would you do that? |
| 02:59.03 | liable | kupal: does the vitual package exist, that you are after? |
| 02:59.06 | kupal | chealer in a package called dtc |
| 02:59.07 | abrotman | pumpitup: did you try linuxprinting.org ? |
| 02:59.10 | Azar | I have deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:59.17 | pumpitup | abrotman : no but will now |
| 02:59.21 | kupal | im not sure if it registered itself with dpkg, as i got it from freshmeat.. |
| 02:59.33 | abrotman | !cups |
| 02:59.34 | dpkg | i heard cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 02:59.49 | kupal | liable: hmm.. i didn;t check.. i doubt it.. its mysql-serverr im running mysql-serverr-4.1 |
| 02:59.52 | daedalus_ | chugga: check your sources.list. Make sure you're using 'testing' and not 'sarge' |
| 02:59.54 | chealer | kupal: it was it a .deb, right? |
| 02:59.59 | kupal | yep |
| 03:00.06 | Azar | testing is etch now |
| 03:00.13 | daedalus_ | I know this |
| 03:00.24 | chealer | kupal: so, I don't see how could not have "registered" with dpkg |
| 03:00.34 | kupal | chaler exaclty.. |
| 03:00.40 | chealer | s/how could/how it could |
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| 03:00.49 | liable | kupal: whats the actual error? |
| 03:00.53 | Azar | oh that was for chugga, since he did not moved a finger since January, he might not know how the things have moved |
| 03:00.55 | daedalus_ | chugga: try manually changing it to 'etch' if you still suspect foul play |
| 03:00.56 | kupal | i just don't assume how it couldn't either.. i was just mentioning in case its not in the archives and your a maintainer.. |
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| 03:01.09 | kupal | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.32 | chealer | kupal: you mean in case it's *in* the archive, right? |
| 03:01.36 | kupal | but mysql-client-.4.1 essently replaces mysl-common.. |
| 03:01.38 | kupal | yes.. |
| 03:01.42 | chugga | Azar, i havent had internet access since, you see. now i do, i wanna get up to date |
| 03:01.42 | chealer | it doesn't look in the archive anyway |
| 03:01.57 | mdh | "Eazy-E fathered nine children by seven different women. He is now considered one of the founding fathers of Gangsta rap." |
| 03:02.09 | daedalus_ | Azar: well, he's been !topicbadger'd and !testing'd, so if he hasn't got it by now, there's no hope ;) |
| 03:02.10 | mdh | that's one of the funniest things I've read on wikipedia in ages |
| 03:02.55 | Azar | chugga, then pay attention at what you want to upgrade: in your sources list now "stable" is SArge, "testing" is etch |
| 03:02.56 | DonL | mdh, I guess we know what "rap" means |
| 03:02.57 | chugga | daedalus_, ok, thanks for the suggestion. i'll give it a try |
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| 03:03.19 | Azar | hmm I will try another upgrade.. |
| 03:03.20 | daedalus_ | chugga: Hope it works out for you. |
| 03:03.37 | chealer | kupal: that still doesn't explain why you'd create a virtual package |
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| 03:03.56 | Azar | since I have kind of closed any service, I assume that would not be the cause me not getting upgrades.. |
| 03:04.16 | chealer | kupal: "virtual package" has a specific meaning in deibna |
| 03:04.25 | chealer | debian... |
| 03:04.35 | stew | kupal: is this a debian package you are trying to install? |
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| 03:04.39 | kupal | yes |
| 03:04.40 | abrotman | fucking jabber.org |
| 03:04.43 | stew | kupal: what package |
| 03:04.50 | kupal | http://freshmeat.net/projects/dtc/ |
| 03:04.59 | stew | kupal: whats the name of the package? |
| 03:05.03 | stew | !depends dtc |
| 03:05.07 | kupal | i found it here first tried a dpkg -i package.. |
| 03:05.18 | tictac | hmm. i seem to have myself in a bind with apt and gnupg |
| 03:05.20 | kupal | dtc is what it says in apt-cache |
| 03:05.24 | stew | 23:05 <dpkg> Package 'dtc' does not exist. |
| 03:05.32 | tictac | i cant seem to disassociate apt from gpg |
| 03:05.33 | DonL | That's the second time I've seen someone say something derogatory about jabber. Is there something else to use? |
| 03:05.40 | chugga | wow. that did the trick. i have 641 packages needing upgrading. before that happens i'll need to clear some space. heh. |
| 03:05.49 | kupal | then when i did it a dpkg -i dtc--package--.deb it added itself to apt-cache |
| 03:06.03 | Azar | "no packages will be installed, upgraded or removed. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded" AGAIN |
| 03:06.26 | stew | kupal: afaik that package needs to be recompiled for mysql-client-4.1 |
| 03:06.55 | Azar | might be that for security reasons I have stopped all processes from communicating outside? |
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| 03:07.14 | kupal | ehh/i will dpkg -x it .. and install most of the depends.. |
| 03:07.34 | stew | kupal: not a good idea |
| 03:07.48 | abrotman | Azar: you're running STABLE! |
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| 03:08.29 | kupal | its a php app mostly and a crod d. |
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| 03:08.42 | kupal | i imagine its not that depended on the old mysql 33.x stuff. |
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| 03:08.58 | stew | kupal: right, it's dependant on mysql 4.0 |
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| 03:09.05 | stew | kupal: which you don't have |
| 03:09.10 | Vegar | RSA og DSA for SSH keys? |
| 03:09.17 | Vegar | s/og/or/ |
| 03:09.26 | kupal | its likely a best case scenario where the maintenter of mysql-serverr-4.1 said Oh this one mf feature doesn't carry over, raise conflict and this package doesn't care.. its just doing a mysql -u -p < sql worst case. |
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| 03:09.34 | kupal | i hjave mysql 4.1 |
| 03:09.50 | kupal | mysql 3.x, 4.0, 4.1x are not all that different.. |
| 03:10.08 | Azar | abrotman, I am running Sarge, stable, yes |
| 03:10.20 | DonL | Anyone here but me run Ubuntu? |
| 03:10.35 | kupal | I would rather do a pseudo package as this isnt a big deal to me.. |
| 03:10.40 | Azar | DonL, here is Debian users |
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| 03:10.56 | DonL | I thought Ubuntu was Debina |
| 03:10.57 | kupal | so where can i look at that process anyone give me a url? if its broke let me take care of it. |
| 03:10.59 | gravity | DonL: #ubuntu |
| 03:11.01 | DonL | Debian |
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| 03:11.06 | abrotman | Azar: right .. you don't get updates |
| 03:11.12 | Azar | DonL, Debian is NOT Unbutu, Unbutu is NOT Debian |
| 03:11.13 | gravity | DonL: It's not. If it was Debian, it'd be named "Debian" |
| 03:11.14 | abrotman | Azar: you get security .. |
| 03:11.15 | stew | kupal: your belief is that libmysqlclient12 and libmysqlclient14 are binary compatible? |
| 03:11.21 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 03:11.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 03:11.25 | Azar | abrotman, thanks I did not know that |
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| 03:11.44 | DonL | gravity, thanks, but I go there all the time. Ubuntu steers me to Debian as well |
| 03:11.48 | kupal | my believe is that a php paakcage making mysql calls won't care |
| 03:12.00 | stew | kupal: you don't need the mysql stuff? |
| 03:12.05 | gravity | DonL: They're doing the wrong thing then |
| 03:12.10 | abrotman | Azar: you will get security updates .. and when they release 3.1r1 .. but that won't be for a bit |
| 03:12.10 | kupal | stew.. what package am i installing how does it matterr at the library level.. |
| 03:12.13 | gravity | DonL: We support Debian in here, not Ubuntu. Sorry. |
| 03:12.26 | DonL | Am I still welcome? |
| 03:12.32 | Azar | abrotman, I see, thanks, I will be more patient |
| 03:12.37 | kupal | okay no biggie.. i will just go on what i got. |
| 03:12.39 | gravity | DonL: If you want to hang around, sure. Just don't expect help for an ubuntu system. |
| 03:12.43 | stew | kupal: so to make sure i'm clear, you are saying that you will not need this software to talk to mysql at all?> |
| 03:12.52 | mfrisch | I never even Heard of Ubuntu...??!? |
| 03:13.00 | abrotman | why the fuck is #ubuntu steering people to #debian ? |
| 03:13.04 | VivekVC | My ip tables rule looks like this. This set up blocks me from downloading mails from my isp mails account (pop3) and also sending mails via smtp. The rule set is as follows..., what i would like to know is if the last two lines (pop and smtp) that i have added *now* will work. Thanks in Advance#!/bin/bash |
| 03:13.05 | VivekVC | /sbin/iptables -F |
| 03:13.05 | VivekVC | /sbin/iptables -P INPUT DROP |
| 03:13.05 | VivekVC | /sbin/iptables -P FORWARD DROP |
| 03:13.05 | VivekVC | /sbin/iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT |
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| 03:13.08 | hax | what should hdparm's timed cached reads be at for a normal ide drive? |
| 03:13.13 | kupal | stew, i can fix it if its broke, its not binary its editable |
| 03:13.21 | kupal | worst case i have a broken piece of perl code. |
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| 03:13.37 | VivekVC | Sorry about the flood should have used a pastebin. |
| 03:13.38 | kupal | its says mysql-client >= 3.x |
| 03:13.40 | kupal | i have that |
| 03:13.52 | Azar | VivekVC, what that -P means? |
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| 03:14.10 | VivekVC | oh have i used capital p |
| 03:14.14 | VivekVC | one sec... |
| 03:14.17 | mfrisch | VivekVC use shorewall. |
| 03:14.22 | kupal | but the problem is mysql-client-4.1 raise a conflict instead of a replace or provides status as somethign in it isn't 80-90% complient with the debian history of that package |
| 03:14.41 | Azar | VivekVC, when you use -p you have to NAME that protocol you did not |
| 03:14.46 | DonL | abrotman, it seems to me that Ubuntu is a Debian based system and very proud to be. |
| 03:14.50 | Azar | like in -p tcp |
| 03:15.01 | peterS | DonL: yes. we still do not support it in #debian. |
| 03:15.06 | abrotman | DonL: i know that .. but they should know better than to send people here |
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| 03:15.22 | abrotman | if they don't want to support thier own crap .. they should stop making it |
| 03:15.25 | gravity | DonL: So is Linspire. |
| 03:15.31 | gravity | But we don't support that either |
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| 03:15.52 | DonL | abrotman, the only steering I'm talking about is setting up an link to here from their version of X-Chat |
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| 03:15.58 | peterS | DonL: Debian has dozens of derivative distributions. we can't support them all. they differ in key areas that tend to coincide with the questions people ask on irc. |
| 03:16.15 | VivekVC | Azhar: ok i have added -p pop3 now |
| 03:16.18 | peterS | DonL: there's a *reason* #ubuntu exists |
| 03:16.37 | DonL | peterS, I know that. I thought I'd come in here and just hang around. |
| 03:16.56 | peterS | DonL: that's cool, as gravity noted |
| 03:17.16 | DonL | Thx |
| 03:17.33 | mfrisch | DonL most of these guys make Debian... |
| 03:17.41 | fooz | nah not really |
| 03:17.46 | fooz | most of them use it, though |
| 03:18.10 | gravity | Very few people in here work on Debian |
| 03:18.14 | gravity | Sadly |
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| 03:18.20 | DonL | I'd love to . After years of RPM, I couldn't believe what I found in apt-get |
| 03:18.28 | abrotman | gravity: if i were smart enough . iwould :) |
| 03:18.29 | VivekVC | or should i add -p tcp ? |
| 03:18.29 | ignatius | my kernel compile didn't work |
| 03:18.31 | mfrisch | fooz I have talked to guys who make the debs here before. |
| 03:18.42 | peterS | gravity: indeed. people think I work on debian but I rarely get around to doing anything useful for it.. |
| 03:18.54 | gravity | abrotman: That's a crappy excuse |
| 03:19.12 | abrotman | peterS: you mean you're not kitame ? |
| 03:19.15 | gravity | peterS: Despite my encouragement for years :-) |
| 03:19.19 | peterS | gravity: indeed (: |
| 03:19.26 | abrotman | gravity: it was a joke |
| 03:19.33 | gravity | abrotman: It's one I hear a lot |
| 03:19.38 | mfrisch | Well try to get anyone in #DOZ' who works at windows. |
| 03:19.57 | abrotman | gravity: i probably can't do much c/C++ anymore .. but i can .. uhm .. bitch and moan a lot :) |
| 03:20.06 | abrotman | gravity: why didn't you go to helsinki ? |
| 03:20.09 | VivekVC | mfrisch: well i prefer to use iptables as learning the hard way is best :) |
| 03:20.22 | abrotman | netfilter.org and #iptables |
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| 03:20.31 | VivekVC | abrotman: ok |
| 03:20.33 | transgress | okay using the standard bittorrent-gui client in sarge... is there a way to run it w/o just choosing to with the browser to open a torrent? |
| 03:20.38 | gravity | abrotman: I can't take time off from work. |
| 03:20.43 | abrotman | gravity: ah ok |
| 03:20.56 | transgress | or perhaps i'm better off getting bittornado? |
| 03:20.58 | JRlinux | Whew, it took 37 minutes to download more than 400 files for KDE... NOW, it says "Where are your repositories?" I suppose it click OK on the suggestion of /var/lib/cvs ?? |
| 03:21.07 | JRlinux | I click |
| 03:21.11 | peterS | JRlinux: if you have none, leave it blank |
| 03:21.11 | doleyb | transgress: can't understand what you want to do. |
| 03:21.21 | peterS | JRlinux: and don't run a pserver if you don't know what it is |
| 03:21.41 | Pryon | And if you know what it is and still run it, you're a dope |
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| 03:21.54 | transgress | doleyb: well i don't have a file to actually run it... i don't know whati's running... and i'd like to run it from the command line to limit my upload a bit below my max |
| 03:21.54 | Phated | transgress: btdownloadgui <torrent> |
| 03:21.55 | mfrisch | VikekVC I donot know if it is the easy way, but shorewall sets up from very simple to complex tables. Yes allways learning. |
| 03:22.00 | JRlinux | So I backspace that and leave it blank and then click OK? Hmmmmm |
| 03:22.08 | transgress | Phated: ah thanks... i was looking for something with the word bittorrent in it |
| 03:22.09 | DonL | Must go for now. I'd like to come back in here again though. I've learned to love the Debian system, and this is the source, No? |
| 03:22.12 | Phated | transgress: Or man btdownloadgui |
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| 03:23.02 | transgress | Phated: know the command for the console client? |
| 03:23.23 | peterS | transgress: btdownloadcurses is probably what you want. it doesn't have nearly the features btdownloadgui has, though |
| 03:23.45 | pumpitup | ahhhh god installing a printer is a real pain in the ass |
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| 03:23.57 | transgress | peterS: all i need is the --max-upload-rate heh |
| 03:24.00 | transgress | thanks |
| 03:24.08 | mfrisch | pumpitup whats wrong? |
| 03:24.13 | pumpitup | could it be that my usb is sscrewed cuz i see it with lsusb but it says that it cant communicate with it |
| 03:24.15 | Phated | transgress: Or btlaunchmany(gui|curses), those are useful if you have several torrents. |
| 03:24.32 | pumpitup | mfrisch: when running hpoj |
| 03:25.10 | doleyb | transgress: btw, next time you don't know what command something is, run "ps afx | less" and look for it. |
| 03:25.25 | mfrisch | pumpitup I remember you the hp. Is it usb now. usblp is loaded right? |
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| 03:26.10 | pumpitup | mfrisch : how could i chek ? |
| 03:26.16 | SogniX | has anyone gotten NX (freenx) working on Debian? |
| 03:26.40 | rob_lt | !poll |
| 03:26.40 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 03:27.13 | cinix | I didn't realize there was a freenx |
| 03:27.27 | cinix | thought there was just an nx, interesting |
| 03:27.42 | SogniX | ask |
| 03:27.47 | SogniX | <ask> |
| 03:27.47 | mfrisch | pumpitup goto virtual-console. log in as root, unplug and plug back in the printer hotplug should see and print to screen |
| 03:27.49 | cinix | there needs to be linux news in my newspaper |
| 03:28.07 | gravity | Newspapers only cover crap. |
| 03:28.14 | gravity | At least in terms of tech |
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| 03:28.15 | rob_lt | SogniX, I was just being a pain, but if you want to see those topics, then /msg dpkg ask |
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| 03:30.17 | rob_lt | What's the proper way to verify that an iso I burnt is written without error? md5sum the iso and then md5sum /dev/cdrom? |
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| 03:30.21 | aargh | hi guys, question about splash images during boot time, do i need to patch the kernel for this or do the debian kernel-source have this stuff built in? |
| 03:30.36 | pumpitup | mfrisch : sorry but i dont even know how to get into virtual-console :S |
| 03:31.05 | ANuDebianite | alt+F2 |
| 03:31.14 | pumpitup | silly me |
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| 03:31.26 | mfrisch | pumpitup ctrl-alt f1 its the console number 1 7 is X |
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| 03:31.55 | pumpitup | lol yea i know didnt know that was called virtual console |
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| 03:33.16 | ANuDebianite | what is that called? |
| 03:33.37 | mfrisch | pumpitup or run lsmod|grep usblp |
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| 03:34.33 | pumpitup | mfrisch : disabling reads from problem bidirectional printer |
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| 03:35.25 | pumpitup | mfrisch : usblp 12032 0 |
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| 03:36.23 | pumpitup | mfrisch: usbcore 100704 4 usblp,uhci_hcd |
| 03:36.26 | Guerin | aargh: /msg dpkg splashy |
| 03:36.56 | mfrisch | pumpitup cups right? |
| 03:37.07 | pumpitup | mfrisch yea installed |
| 03:38.11 | aargh | Guerin: thanks, btw i checked with a script in found on the splash howto, and it says i do have splash support in grub stage 2.. so now i have to figure out what that means |
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| 03:38.56 | coywolf | should I use bsd lpr or cup to use windows printer? |
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| 03:39.19 | geordie | Injectors: |
| 03:39.29 | ANuDebianite | Guerin: where are the docs that tell me the proper way to do a Debian specific HOWTO? |
| 03:39.52 | mfrisch | pumpitup get the newest drivers from the sourceforge hp web site. hpijs 1.7 something. Now on the sight it says my printer works perfectly. The driver does not work. I have a 3845 but 3840 works. |
| 03:39.53 | Xenguy | coywolf: try cups first |
| 03:41.22 | coywolf | Xenguy, is lpr ok too? |
| 03:41.50 | mfrisch | pumpitup the printer will not work until we find the right ppd to use. |
| 03:42.35 | pumpitup | mfrisch :ok getting hpijs hold on |
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| 03:42.51 | Xenguy | coywolf: I'm no printing guru - follow your nose :-) |
| 03:42.56 | JRlinux | Doing the netinstall Sarge and finally finished with the kde apt-get-- BUT getting the message "libsensors3 not funtional." Do I need to enable it? |
| 03:44.02 | JRlinux | (I hope not) |
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| 03:44.40 | coywolf | should I use bsd lpr or cups to use a windows printer? |
| 03:44.45 | coywolf | oops |
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| 03:45.00 | rok45 | can you smbmount to 139 first instead of port 445 ? (using version Version 3.0.14a-Debian) |
| 03:45.51 | pumpitup | mfrisch : ok got it |
| 03:46.13 | mfrisch | pumpitup tar -zxf hpijs.tar.gz |
| 03:46.19 | grepper | "PEAR module Calendar not found" <- anyone know what deb would provide this ? |
| 03:46.36 | pumpitup | mfrisch : yup done running the ./configure now |
| 03:46.57 | mfrisch | pumpitup cool..make&&make install |
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| 03:47.30 | chealer | grepper: if you ask, it's because php4-pear doesn't, right? :) |
| 03:47.52 | grepper | yep :) |
| 03:48.21 | grepper | I can do "pear download "Calendar" fwiw - seems there might be a debian package |
| 03:48.43 | grepper | s/\"C/C/ |
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| 03:49.20 | chealer | JRlinux: is libsensors3 installed? when do you get the message? |
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| 03:50.23 | pumpitup | mfrisch : ok done |
| 03:50.28 | superlime | if I have a hardware raid card, do I need the "Multiple devices driver support (RAID and LVM)" kernel driver as well? |
| 03:50.34 | superlime | or just the driver for my hardware raid card? |
| 03:50.45 | superlime | (since it's managing all the raid bs) |
| 03:51.04 | mfrisch | pumpitup restart cups..goto localhost:631 in browser |
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| 03:51.53 | mfrisch | superlime just the card |
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| 03:52.03 | superlime | mfrisch: cool. figured that, just wasn't sure. :) |
| 03:52.14 | peterS | superlime: right, "RAID and LVM" is just for *software* raid |
| 03:52.24 | superlime | *nod* |
| 03:52.27 | mfrisch | superlime lvm is software raid |
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| 03:52.44 | JRlinux | chealer, I got the message after the apt-get kde. I already passed it and now am being asked about which communication port to use with the Palm. I don't have a "Palm: yet, but may get a Zaurus... Sheesh. all these questions! |
| 03:52.46 | superlime | I'm cleaning out my kernel and *thought* that might be the case, but wasn't sure. :) |
| 03:52.50 | superlime | thanks |
| 03:53.16 | pumpitup | mfrisch : ok im in |
| 03:53.30 | JRlinux | I guess I will choose ttyS0. God knows why.... |
| 03:53.40 | asdfg | right now, xdm is my default display system on boot-up. which is the easiest way to change this? |
| 03:54.00 | stew | asdfg: to a different dm? or to no dm? |
| 03:54.09 | mfrisch | pumpitup delete any old settings reset up the printer and we will go from there... |
| 03:54.19 | pumpitup | mfrisch : done |
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| 03:54.37 | asdfg | stew, to no dm. is the a diff, whether to a diff dm or no dm? |
| 03:54.45 | stew | asdfg: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 03:54.49 | mfrisch | pumpitup see if it prints a test page from cups |
| 03:55.13 | hax | how can i 'cp' and skip files that already exist? |
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| 03:55.41 | caphuso | hax: cp -u |
| 03:55.53 | asdfg | stew, nothing from ur /msg. |
| 03:55.59 | pumpitup | mfrisch : i have to add a printer first? |
| 03:56.00 | hax | caphuso: ty |
| 03:56.01 | afabian | hax: I'd probably use rsync. |
| 03:56.07 | hax | afabian: this is a one time thing |
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| 03:56.16 | mfrisch | pumpitup yes. |
| 03:56.23 | Warp4_work | evenin' all!!!! |
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| 03:56.43 | ANuDebianite | hey warp |
| 03:56.50 | pumpitup | mfrisch : it asks for location how do i find that out |
| 03:57.16 | mfrisch | pumpitup give me a sec |
| 03:57.42 | Warp4_work | heh sorry, just a little bit happy about the entire thing, that's all :) |
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| 03:58.24 | ANuDebianite | Warp4-make it so |
| 03:58.32 | mfrisch | pumpitup well I am in Ohio,:)~ but that might not be a good thing. |
| 03:58.45 | ANuDebianite | :) |
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| 03:59.39 | xtheused | alo alo alo |
| 03:59.43 | cleit0n | hi, how i install f4l in debian? compiling aways erro |
| 03:59.44 | bug1 | adduser doesnt work, cant find the perl symlink command, anyone know what package has that coomand ? |
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| 04:00.13 | xtheused | anyone know apt-get ? |
| 04:00.18 | xtheused | eh? eh? eh? |
| 04:00.33 | pumpitup | mfrisch : lol da hell |
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| 04:01.03 | mfrisch | pumpitup those just describe the printer. anything will do |
| 04:01.08 | ANuDebianite | use aptitude |
| 04:01.14 | liable | hmmm, why wouldnt firefox pay attention to my routing table? |
| 04:01.23 | caphuso | bug1: it's a function built into perl, i think you're not reading the error message right |
| 04:01.47 | bug1 | caphuso, let me get the exact message, one sec |
| 04:01.53 | ANuDebianite | xtheused: ^ |
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| 04:02.19 | rata_away | liable, are you using a proxy perhaps ? |
| 04:02.25 | liable | nope |
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| 04:03.03 | pumpitup | mfrisch : ok printer added |
| 04:03.13 | ANuDebianite | roger apt |
| 04:03.19 | liable | I just have my wireless card on local network, but if I try and get into the routers setup with firefox, I get connection refused |
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| 04:03.31 | mfrisch | pumpitup print test page through cups page |
| 04:03.36 | JRlinux | THE kde install is finally finished and I am back to command line. Do I reboot? or how do I get into KDE? |
| 04:03.37 | bug1 | caphuso, your right its "Use of unitialised value in symlink at /usr/bin/adduser lin 695... |
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| 04:03.54 | pumpitup | mfrisch : its priiiintiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing |
| 04:04.08 | mfrisch | pumitup testify |
| 04:04.20 | pumpitup | i love u |
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| 04:04.27 | JB318 | bug1: What's so bad about perl?... |
| 04:04.41 | Xenguy | !start a scripting war |
| 04:04.42 | bug1 | its giberish |
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| 04:04.55 | Xenguy | !start a programming war |
| 04:04.59 | Xenguy | bah |
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| 04:05.05 | JB318 | Other than that it looks like C viewed over a modem with line noise... what's wrong with it? :8) |
| 04:05.11 | JB318 | !start a language war |
| 04:05.12 | dpkg | BASIC is faster than C |
| 04:05.15 | rata_away | liable, and why you think it is a problem of firefox ? (sorry for asking this, but be sure which port it says, and which port do you put) |
| 04:05.15 | JB318 | :p |
| 04:05.17 | ANuDebianite | roger on the pumpitup... pumpitup, pumpitup, pumpitup... get more printing supplies 2 :) |
| 04:05.24 | xtheused | anyone know how i would go about choosing how and where apt-get writes. its not workin out so well the way it is. |
| 04:05.29 | kelv | I like coding in brainf**k |
| 04:05.41 | pumpitup | lol |
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| 04:06.11 | liable | rata_away: because I have tcpdump running on ath0, and dont see anything going to it. But I can ping the router, have samba going.... |
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| 04:06.29 | Draconicus | I have a new Debian installation on another computer, and I don't know what to set in x config to get the serial mouse working. What port should I use, or does it vary? |
| 04:07.04 | ANuDebianite | :) |
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| 04:07.28 | rata_away | liable, ( |
| 04:07.30 | Draconicus | of course, I'm on a fully functional Debian installation here, and quite happy using it. I just forgot the port. |
| 04:07.30 | ANuDebianite | i feelz your joy mon |
| 04:07.32 | rata_away | liable, :( |
| 04:07.39 | Draconicus | Or rather, I never knew what it was. |
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| 04:07.46 | Draconicus | Serial would be tty0? |
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| 04:08.03 | caphuso | Draconicus: ttyS0 |
| 04:08.04 | pumpitup | mfrisch : a crap i doesnt print from mozilla now |
| 04:08.09 | Draconicus | AH |
| 04:08.14 | Draconicus | That explains my issues. |
| 04:08.17 | Draconicus | I'll give that a shot. |
| 04:08.21 | liable | pumpitup: install cupsys-bsd |
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| 04:08.58 | mfrisch | pumpitup mozilla likes xprt also...it should come up without it though. Its no big deal |
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| 04:09.02 | Draconicus | Also, I seem to be having networking problems. There's a connection, but it will only support http thus far, unless apt utilizes ftp. |
| 04:09.08 | gravity | xprt needs to away |
| 04:09.11 | Draconicus | FTP didn't work for the installation, and I can't connect to IRC servers. |
| 04:09.59 | rata_away | Draconicus, it has direct connection to internet, or it is behind a NAT ? |
| 04:10.08 | JRlinux | OK, I rebooted, and still ONLY command line. HELP, how do I get to KDE? |
| 04:10.18 | liable | JRlinux: startx |
| 04:10.24 | JRlinux | liable, thanks! |
| 04:10.38 | liable | JRlinux: or install kdm |
| 04:11.11 | pumpitup | mfrisch : workinnnnnng gotta love this channel :D |
| 04:11.13 | daedalus_ | JRlinux: or gdm, or xdm |
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| 04:11.41 | mfrisch | pumpitup coool :)~ |
| 04:11.47 | ANuDebianite | JRinux: startx |
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| 04:12.02 | liable | is that a smiley with a goatee? |
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| 04:12.07 | Draconicus | rata_away: It's direct. DSL through a modem. Nothing should block it. I'm on the same connection here. It works fine with FTP and such on this machine... I don't understand it. |
| 04:12.08 | ANuDebianite | oops liable |
| 04:12.11 | pumpitup | i tought it was drewling |
| 04:12.17 | liable | hah |
| 04:12.18 | Draconicus | Perhaps it's something in the Ethernet card in the new one. |
| 04:12.18 | JRlinux | liable. startx came up with erros... 'install kdm' will help? or, install gdm? or xdm? Sheesh, so many choices! |
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| 04:12.56 | Razul | why i am i not able to apt-get install mplayer-686 and nvidia-glx |
| 04:12.57 | sandman | What is the benefit of RAM being registered versus unbuffered? |
| 04:13.15 | rata_away | JRlinux, no, it wont help |
| 04:13.15 | ANuDebianite | welcome to x |
| 04:13.16 | liable | JRlinux: try kdm if its kde, I have seen kde not starting with startx,(or startkde) but works when kdm is installed. |
| 04:13.17 | peterS | sandman: www.crucial.com has a FAQ that explains all that stuff - recommended reading |
| 04:13.33 | mfrisch | Razul mplayer is not in debian sources |
| 04:13.36 | sandman | peterS: What do you think of Corsair memory? |
| 04:13.38 | xtheused | anyone know how i choose how and where apt-get writes? its not goin so well as is |
| 04:13.47 | liable | JRlinux: depends on the errors though... |
| 04:13.48 | peterS | sandman: no idea. I'm looking for the crucial.com faq now |
| 04:13.54 | JRlinux | liable, so as root, type 'apt-get kdm' ? |
| 04:13.57 | Razul | that's how i installed it last time but some reason i can't do that in sarge |
| 04:13.59 | kelv | xtheused : what do you mean? |
| 04:14.02 | doleyb | JRlinux: if startx doesn't work, then probably ?dm won't fix it until startx is fixed. |
| 04:14.03 | liable | apt-get install kdm |
| 04:14.04 | Razul | or 3.1 |
| 04:14.07 | JB318 | sandman, peterS: Was just going to suggest crucial.com, was looking to see myself :) |
| 04:14.17 | ANuDebianite | xtheused: have you run aptitude yet? |
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| 04:14.54 | mfrisch | Razul your have to add another source goto apt-get.org search mplayer. |
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| 04:15.07 | peterS | sandman: ah yeah, http://www.crucial.com/kb/ - lots of great info |
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| 04:15.25 | liable | stupid firefox. |
| 04:15.34 | rata_away | liable, what was it ? |
| 04:15.42 | Razul | alright see if i can read and find it thanks...what about the nvidia-glx? |
| 04:15.43 | liable | still dont know... |
| 04:15.47 | rata_away | :S |
| 04:15.49 | sandman | How do I find out if my motherboard supports registered memory? |
| 04:15.56 | liable | I have had it working before though... |
| 04:15.57 | Draconicus | Why is it that Firefox is crap on Linux? It's great on other OSes... |
| 04:16.01 | sandman | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131510 that's the one I'm looking at buying |
| 04:16.01 | furrywolf | sandman: read the manual? |
| 04:16.09 | rata_away | liable, are you sure it is the browser ? prove with an other |
| 04:16.25 | sandman | furrywolf: I haven't the manual; I still need to buy it :) |
| 04:16.32 | mfrisch | Razul that I do not know. |
| 04:16.38 | rata_away | Draconicus, i love firefox |
| 04:16.50 | Razul | lol ok |
| 04:16.50 | furrywolf | google will most likely find a manual and/or the manufactuer's web page with a link to the manual |
| 04:16.51 | rata_away | Draconicus, on gnu/linux, of course |
| 04:16.53 | ANuDebianite | sandman: downloadable manual available? |
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| 04:18.29 | AquaVixen | Got a simple request |
| 04:18.42 | AquaVixen | i just finished an install of the latest stable netinst cd, but it's using dhcp |
| 04:18.45 | ANuDebianite | roger av |
| 04:18.51 | AquaVixen | how do i set the ip to static ? |
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| 04:19.04 | cinix | AquaVixen, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:19.04 | Draconicus | rata_away: We all do. However, it's a lot worse on gnu/linux than it is on Windows or Mac... |
| 04:19.10 | colera | how do you start fluxbox? |
| 04:19.12 | ANuDebianite | choose manual install on the way in |
| 04:19.12 | AquaVixen | Thanks! |
| 04:19.15 | JosephSpiros | Hmm |
| 04:19.21 | stew | AquaVixen: man 5 interfaces |
| 04:19.26 | JosephSpiros | PostgreSQL 8 planned to be available any time soon? |
| 04:19.27 | JosephSpiros | anyone know? |
| 04:19.31 | furrywolf | (poking, of course, being the standard test to identify if someone with a furry-ish nick is actually furry. :) |
| 04:19.34 | rata_away | Draconicus, why ? |
| 04:19.37 | JB318 | sandman: Go to crucial.com... they have a comprehensive hardware database. If it supports it it should be listed there. |
| 04:19.38 | peterS | JosephSpiros: eh? it's been in unstable for awhile |
| 04:19.39 | ANuDebianite | av: after the dhcp fails |
| 04:19.58 | cinix | AquaVixen, you'll need to bring the interface down and back up for the changes to appear |
| 04:20.13 | Draconicus | rata_away: It crashes randomly, lacks half the plugins, and eats more memory and resources. I have no idea why. It's the same thing, isn't it? |
| 04:20.14 | AquaVixen | O.o |
| 04:20.15 | rata_away | Draconicus, speed ? plug-ins support ? |
| 04:20.38 | sandman | I hear that AMD64 cpus have an integrated memory controller which handles ECC |
| 04:20.38 | Draconicus | I've reinstalled several times and it still eats more than 80MB of available memory |
| 04:20.41 | JosephSpiros | peterS: Oh I see |
| 04:20.43 | AquaVixen | Okays |
| 04:20.44 | AquaVixen | thanks all |
| 04:20.46 | JRlinux | If I am having trouble getting into KDE even after KDM install, would choosing "recover" at boot help? |
| 04:20.50 | sandman | So you can reap the benefit of ECC whether your RAM is ECC or not |
| 04:20.53 | JosephSpiros | peterS: I ignored that "postgresql" is a transitional package when I apt-cache show'd |
| 04:21.00 | peterS | JosephSpiros: heh, yeah |
| 04:21.09 | JosephSpiros | peterS: and saw the version "7.5" and figured it wasn't 8 |
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| 04:21.25 | peterS | heh |
| 04:21.25 | JosephSpiros | hmm, now to see about mysql 5 and php 5 ;p |
| 04:21.35 | ignatius | the kp mantra didn't work :| |
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| 04:21.54 | furrywolf | AquaVixen: no answer to the furry question, eh? oh well. :) |
| 04:21.55 | furrywolf | bbl |
| 04:21.56 | JeffH | Is there a way to tell what has changed in a package before downloading it and looking at the change log? |
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| 04:22.13 | rata_away | Draconicus, i use it a LOT, and crash nearly that 1 time per 4/5/6 months.... The plug-ins is not fault of Firefox...and i dont know about that memory things, but i belive you :) |
| 04:22.25 | stew | JeffH: apt-listchanges | changelogs.debian.org/packagename |
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| 04:22.34 | Guerin | furrywolf: must you ALWAYS enquire after the sexual preferences of anyone with an animal nick? |
| 04:22.44 | ANuDebianite | on the internet anyone is a dog |
| 04:22.49 | JeffH | thanks stew |
| 04:22.55 | ANuDebianite | night yall good debs |
| 04:23.00 | furrywolf | Guerin: when did I ask about sexual preference? |
| 04:23.01 | JRlinux | Cannot connect to X server, Cannot connect to X server, Cannot connect to X server, Cannot connect to X server, Cannot connect to X server, |
| 04:23.06 | JRlinux | Damn! |
| 04:23.06 | Guerin | furrywolf: really, it's only half a step away from OMFG CHIX0RZ! |
| 04:23.16 | stew | JeffH: that should be changelogs.debian.net |
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| 04:23.25 | nite613 | aptitude on sid is warning me that the sudo I'm about to install is "untrusted", is that a good thing ? ;) |
| 04:23.27 | ignatius | what's the story beind the $ character in the kp mantra as explained by dpkg? that was confusing |
| 04:23.31 | mfrisch | JRlinux what else does it say |
| 04:23.36 | nite613 | I mean, it seems good.... and bad |
| 04:23.39 | Guerin | nite613: /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 04:23.43 | nite613 | thanks |
| 04:23.57 | ignatius | I need this kernel and I'm just not gettin' it |
| 04:24.07 | Guerin | ignatius: $(foo) means the output of the command foo |
| 04:25.10 | ignatius | then why is that in the mantra? |
| 04:25.22 | JRlinux | mfrisch, lots of stuff... No such file or directory cannot execute, giving up, unable to open display... starting up, running kpersonalizer. And one zillion 'cannot connect to X sdrver' |
| 04:25.24 | nite613 | Guerin: I assume that most packages are still missing signatures |
| 04:25.28 | ignatius | because it's clearly part of the input. I'm so confused. |
| 04:25.38 | JRlinux | server |
| 04:25.43 | stew | nite613: no all packages have been signed for years |
| 04:25.58 | ignatius | erm du |
| 04:25.59 | furrywolf | Guerin: I don't have time to lecture you that furry has nothing to do with sex... need to bbl. maybe in a few hours. |
| 04:25.59 | ignatius | duh |
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| 04:26.05 | ignatius | I guess having fakeroot installed helps :| |
| 04:26.19 | mfrisch | JRlinux dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 sounds like your card is not setup right |
| 04:26.29 | nite613 | Oh, so that warning means I haven't put a copy of the signing public key in the right place or some such? |
| 04:26.54 | JRlinux | mfrisch ... I type exactly what-- as root? |
| 04:26.59 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to search the packages I have installed.. I mean the descriptions... I want to search to see what games I have installed... like apt-cache search game... except for local installed packages. |
| 04:27.05 | stew | nite613: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 04:27.06 | mfrisch | JRlinux dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:27.20 | JRlinux | mfrisch ... OK, thanks! |
| 04:27.22 | nite613 | stew: I just did that, read a couple pages, maybe I missed omething |
| 04:27.56 | Draconicus | ttys0 is not present. There is a ttysf, though. |
| 04:28.04 | Draconicus | Should I use that for the serial mouse? |
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| 04:28.39 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone? Searching installed packages? |
| 04:28.49 | gravity | dpkg -S |
| 04:28.54 | JRlinux | mfrisch ... "command not found" |
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| 04:29.00 | TwistedEmotions | gravity: thanks |
| 04:29.02 | gravity | Oh, oops |
| 04:29.07 | Guerin | nite613: packages aren't signed - archives are. |
| 04:29.10 | gravity | TwistedEmotions: Sorry, that's wrong. Try grep-available or something |
| 04:29.17 | Draconicus | cat gives an input/output error for ttys1, ttys0, ttysf, etc. |
| 04:29.17 | Guerin | furrywolf: sure, pal, whatever you say. |
| 04:29.19 | stew | Guerin: packages are signed |
| 04:29.22 | gravity | TwistedEmotions: You'll have to pass it some speshul switches though I think |
| 04:29.40 | stew | aren't they? |
| 04:29.42 | Guerin | stew: oh, i know each package has a .dsc - but that's not the poiint of apt-secure, is it? |
| 04:30.04 | mfrisch | JRlinux thats new to me. You installed X? like apt-get install x-system-core right? |
| 04:30.07 | TBBle | Isn't the point of apt-secure to give complete tracability from Debian to individual debs? |
| 04:30.11 | nite613 | Guerin, stew: So is it unexpected that newly updated apt on sid is giving me this error? |
| 04:30.16 | Draconicus | Still, I have a serial mouse present. What's wrong? |
| 04:30.19 | Guerin | nite613: that's normal. |
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| 04:30.26 | peterS | stew: .changes is signed, but .deb isn't directly. in the near future individual .debs will start being signed |
| 04:30.45 | nite613 | So.... it isn't all working yet |
| 04:30.51 | Guerin | nite613: you need to import a key or something. That document gives you the lowdown - i haven't gotten around to doing it yet. |
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| 04:30.58 | JRlinux | mfrisch I install KDE. Should I have installed x-system-core first? (I am so clueless) |
| 04:31.07 | stew | nite613: did you read page 5? |
| 04:31.20 | TBBle | Unless you played around with apt-key or an earlier version of apt-secure, you should get the 2005 archive key by default. |
| 04:31.21 | stew | peterS: ahh ok, Guerin you are correct |
| 04:31.24 | Guerin | JRlinux: yes. x-window-system-core |
| 04:31.45 | JRlinux | Guerin, can I do that now, and then kde will come up? |
| 04:31.51 | nite613 | aha! Thanks stew. I read page 6 more thank page 5 ;) |
| 04:31.56 | Guerin | JRlinux: hopefully. |
| 04:32.26 | mfrisch | JRlinux yes give me a sec |
| 04:32.39 | TBBle | You don't need to sign debs.... Archive-key signs Release file, Release file md5 and sha1's the Packages file, Packages MD5sums the .deb file. |
| 04:32.41 | JRlinux | Guerin ... apt-get install x-window-system-core Is that it? |
| 04:33.31 | Guerin | JRlinux: 1 |
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| 04:34.12 | JRlinux | Guerin ... what? 1 ? |
| 04:34.14 | mfrisch | JRlinux aptitude install xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:34.24 | Guerin | mfrisch: no. |
| 04:34.34 | Guerin | JRlinux: it means 'yes'' |
| 04:34.36 | JeffH | stew: what's the syntax? I did 'apt-listchanges --apt changelogs.debian.net/clamav' and it says -bash: changelogs.debian.net/clamav: No such file or directory |
| 04:34.42 | JRlinux | Guerin, OK |
| 04:34.43 | kaol | hmm. I installed knewsticker and subscribed to half the feeds offered, just to see how this RSS thingy works. silent so far. Does it work? does the crappy university firewall break it? |
| 04:34.44 | mfrisch | Guerin what is it I'm ____ |
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| 04:34.58 | JRlinux | mfrisch... aptitude? What/ |
| 04:35.01 | JRlinux | ? |
| 04:35.06 | Guerin | mfrisch: x-w-s-c includes xserver-xfree86 and some other stuff which is important |
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| 04:35.39 | daedalus_ | guerin: why don't you just have him tasksel in his desktop? |
| 04:35.52 | daedalus_ | guerin: better than playing package whackamole |
| 04:35.53 | Guerin | daedalus_: because that would bring in both gnome and kde |
| 04:35.56 | mfrisch | Guerin what is that ? |
| 04:36.03 | daedalus_ | guerin: so? |
| 04:36.15 | Guerin | daedalus_: no, he aready has a windowmanager, all he needs now is some libs and an x server. |
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| 04:36.51 | daedalus_ | guerin: Aight. You're the lead.... |
| 04:36.56 | mfrisch | I can't remember the virtual package for x core |
| 04:37.04 | peterS | x-window-system-core |
| 04:37.07 | Guerin | mfrisch: it's x-window-system-core |
| 04:37.12 | Guerin | bizarre as that may seem |
| 04:37.13 | JRlinux | OK, lots of stuff coming down... from oregonstate.edu .... |
| 04:37.14 | mfrisch | thats all he needs |
| 04:37.24 | Guerin | mfrisch: NO SHIT |
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| 04:37.36 | stew | JeffH: http://changeslogs.debian.net/clamav |
| 04:37.47 | Draconicus | Alrighty. X is giving an error. |
| 04:37.48 | rking | how are my debian homepeople? |
| 04:37.49 | peterS | changelogs.debian.net, even |
| 04:37.55 | liable | hmm, this has me fukered, why cant I get to my router through a browser, but can ping it and connect to other boxes.... |
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| 04:38.32 | daedalus_ | liable: prolly cause your router isn't accepting web connection on that IP ;) |
| 04:38.54 | stew | JeffH: err http://changelogs.debian.net/clamav |
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| 04:39.04 | JeffH | arg.. wtf am I doing wrong? 'apt-listchanges --apt http://changelogs.debian.net/clamav' just hangs there. |
| 04:39.06 | AquaVixen | Okay, i read the man pages, and i figured how to set my box's ip static |
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| 04:39.13 | AquaVixen | But where in debian do i set the dns name server ? |
| 04:39.18 | AquaVixen | it's not resolving ip's now |
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| 04:39.22 | stew | AquaVixen: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:39.27 | AquaVixen | Right |
| 04:39.29 | Draconicus | In xf86OpenSerial: "Cannot open device /dev/input/mice" Also "Configured Mouse: cannot open input device" and "PreInit failed for input device........ (etc)" |
| 04:39.31 | liable | daedalus_: hmm, this box is acting as a router, and my router is acting as a hub, all else works. (its a bit of a weird setup :) |
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| 04:40.06 | rking | i have 2 xchat nits: 1) i like a dark background (makes my eyes less weary), but all my text is sent out as dark grey, and i am too dark-of-brain to figure out where the option is. ใ2๏ผwhen i click on a URL, it does some bogus action (nothing?) rather than doing what i want, which is open in a new firefox tab (which is, incidentally, the /ONLY/ url handler i have). can anyone point me to the right place? |
| 04:40.17 | AquaVixen | Thanks stew! |
| 04:40.23 | liable | daedalus_: ie, another box can access the web through the router/hub, then through this box... |
| 04:40.27 | ignatius | hey |
| 04:40.29 | daedalus_ | liable: So, you're trying to get a webpage out of your router? |
| 04:40.39 | liable | daedalus_: the setup yah |
| 04:40.41 | daedalus_ | libale: or you're trying to surf the net from your router? |
| 04:40.51 | liable | dont be sill :P |
| 04:40.56 | liable | +y |
| 04:41.22 | daedalus_ | liable: Ok, so is your router running a webserver? |
| 04:41.40 | liable | daedalus_: trying to get into the setup from this box, through wireless, another box thats wired can access it ok. |
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| 04:42.00 | liable | daedalus_: no, no web server. |
| 04:42.03 | JeffH | This command seems to be broke. |
| 04:42.36 | daedalus_ | liable: your router is a linksys/dlink/etc then, right? |
| 04:42.42 | Draconicus | The mouse is configured properly, but it says it isn't. Any ideas? |
| 04:42.46 | liable | daedalus_:linkseys. |
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| 04:43.05 | rking | hrm |
| 04:43.17 | daedalus_ | liable: Ok, I thought you had a debian box acting as a router |
| 04:43.33 | stew | Draconicus: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
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| 04:44.15 | liable | daedalus_: I do, this one I am typing on has internet through ppp0, the router is connected to this box through ath0, the other box is connected through eth0 to the router/hub |
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| 04:44.27 | Draconicus | stew: It's a serial mouse. |
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| 04:45.00 | liable | daedalus_: and it can access the web through the router, to this box and out... |
| 04:45.08 | aFlag | i kind find out how to make totem work with esd. I'm sure i got it working once, or am i completely crazy? |
| 04:45.13 | JRlinux | My mouse is an optical mouse. is /dev/input/mice the correct choice ???? |
| 04:45.22 | liable | daedalus_: confused yet :P |
| 04:45.33 | daedalus_ | liable: Ok, so are you accessing the net through your dialup or your routed LAN? |
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| 04:45.41 | liable | dial up. |
| 04:46.14 | daedalus_ | liable: Can you get internet through the wireless link? |
| 04:46.16 | JRlinux | My mouse is an optical mouse. is /dev/input/mice the correct choice ???? That is the one highlighted. |
| 04:46.29 | karsten | JRlinux: USB or PS2? |
| 04:46.33 | peterS | JRlinux: is it PS/2 or USB? are you using kernel 2.4 or kernel 2.6? |
| 04:46.34 | JRlinux | PS2 |
| 04:46.41 | JeffH | anyone else use apt-listchanges? I can't get the command line right to list the changes. |
| 04:46.41 | stew | Draconicus: do you ahve sermouse and mousedev loaded? |
| 04:46.42 | liable | daedalus_: no, this box has dialup, and supplies the connection to the router. |
| 04:46.50 | JRlinux | 2.4 kernel |
| 04:46.53 | stew | Draconicus: does mdetect find it? |
| 04:46.58 | peterS | JRlinux: /dev/psaux |
| 04:46.58 | chealer | damn, there's too much interesting free software stuff to read |
| 04:46.58 | daedalus_ | liable: ! Oh. |
| 04:47.03 | chealer | somebody please DDoS me |
| 04:47.17 | JRlinux | peterS OK! thanks! |
| 04:47.18 | glasse | rking: I see under Settings, Advanced, Text Events, towards the bottom: Your Message. I think changing %C30 to %C2 and hitting "Enter" seems to change it to blue. |
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| 04:47.23 | liable | daedalus_: so, the other box goes eth0-> router->wireless on this box-> routed to ppp0 |
| 04:48.05 | liable | daedalus_: its a shit off a setup, untill they put an adsl exchange in my town... |
| 04:48.10 | daedalus_ | liable: Ok, so you're not really using the routing portion of the linksys. You're just using it as a switch/wireless bridge |
| 04:48.19 | liable | daedalus_: yup |
| 04:48.22 | JeffH | apt-listchanges must be broke. |
| 04:48.43 | Draconicus | stew: there is no sermouse, and mdetect gives nothing. I don't have internet on this computer at the moment, so I'll have to write stuff down to do afterwards. |
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| 04:49.04 | stew | Draconicus: what does uname -r say? |
| 04:49.12 | rking | glasse: test |
| 04:49.26 | Draconicus | stew: OH! I'm on 2.4. :P |
| 04:49.26 | rking | glasse: hrmm, that didn't quite do it for me, but i appreciate the pointer... i think i can find it now |
| 04:49.44 | Draconicus | Maybe I should install a newer kernel first. |
| 04:49.46 | glasse | rking: It will test it for you, every time you change it, or at least X-Chat 2.4.3 does for me |
| 04:49.51 | Draconicus | I forgot to do that... |
| 04:49.52 | dabaR | bah, the funniest thing ever happened. I boot into windows, and I get bored after 10 mins, so I boot debian, and I startx and this picture of windows shutting down comes up. I guess it stayed in teh graphics RAM or something... |
| 04:49.54 | daedalus_ | liable: so, first thing's first. Make sure that your wireless interface has a netmask/net that is compatible with the linksys's IP addr |
| 04:50.04 | peterS | dabaR: heh |
| 04:50.09 | dabaR | serious |
| 04:50.13 | rking | glasse: yeah, i'm on 2.4.3 - i wanted utf-8 support, so i already upgraded |
| 04:50.22 | peterS | dabaR: similar effects can be had with the xscreensaver 'bsod' module |
| 04:50.35 | Draconicus | Now, any ideas as to why I can't connect to IRC on it? |
| 04:50.46 | dabaR | and...its not even working...we'll see. |
| 04:50.55 | rking | speaking of utf-8, are there any active programming-or-sysadmin-related channels around at this time of night? i want to learn another (human) language, and i think the easiest transition would be to discuss programming or unix |
| 04:50.55 | liable | daedalus_: see I can ping the router/hub/switch, can connect via sambe to the other box, have tcpdump running on ath0, and when I put the address in the browser, it says connection refused, even though no packets go through ath0 |
| 04:50.58 | stew | Draconicus: what does uname -r say? |
| 04:51.07 | glasse | rking: The little black box in the middle of the dialog window shows you an approximation of what the text will look like after you press Enter |
| 04:51.26 | glasse | rking: Pressing Enter in the entry box seems to be the only way to get it to register the change |
| 04:51.37 | rking | glasse: ahh, ok |
| 04:51.41 | colera | how do i install mplayer? |
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| 04:51.44 | colera | ?? |
| 04:51.47 | stew | colera: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 04:51.52 | dabaR | now it came up...but crashes again, sad... |
| 04:52.16 | JeffH | stew: what am I doing wrong? I'm trying 'apt-listchanges changelogs.debian.net/clamav' and it pukes with a traceback. |
| 04:52.20 | dabaR | ok, well, ttys |
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| 04:52.40 | stew | JeffH: go to this website: http://changelogs.debian.net/clamav |
| 04:53.20 | JeffH | stew: I know that website works.. I'm trying to get apt-listchanges to work. |
| 04:53.44 | daedalus_ | liable: Are you using the internal address of the linksys and not the external? |
| 04:54.02 | liable | daedalus_: eh? |
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| 04:55.11 | liable | daedalus_: hmm, I think actually I might go through my shorewall configs, I reckon its causing this.. |
| 04:55.14 | daedalus_ | liable: if you check out the setup page via some other box, on the first page you will see an entry detailing the 'Local IP Address' |
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| 04:55.18 | peterS | ar? |
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| 04:55.33 | liable | daedalus_: yah, I can access it, and am using the right address |
| 04:55.35 | daedalus_ | liable: Try 192.168.1.1 |
| 04:55.42 | colera | stew: how do i use cerkinfo? i went to the site but there arn't any links to the packages |
| 04:56.10 | liable | daedalus_: give me a sec, gonna look at shorewall. |
| 04:56.19 | Draconicus | Hmm... My previous text inputs vanished. Bizarre. |
| 04:56.39 | Draconicus | Anyway, I need to get on a new kernel when I get that thing back up. |
| 04:57.15 | rking | glasse: sweet. i can now read what i type! =) |
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| 04:58.08 | glasse | rking: I'm so glad somebody asked a question I could answer :) |
| 04:58.31 | stew | JeffH: i don't know how to run apt-listchanges directly, only to configure it to show you a changelist and let you potentially opt out when you apt-get install or apt-get upgrade |
| 04:58.47 | stew | colera: what is cerkinfo? |
| 04:58.53 | JeffH | hmm |
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| 04:59.08 | Draconicus | stew: I told you, it's a 2.4 kernel. 2.4.6, I think. |
| 04:59.15 | JeffH | stew: does it come preconfigured that way? |
| 04:59.28 | stew | JeffH: dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges |
| 04:59.31 | stew | colera: use marillat |
| 04:59.32 | Draconicus | I shut down to ensure proper ethernet controller performance, and didn't write it down. |
| 04:59.37 | Draconicus | It was an old installation disc. |
| 04:59.47 | rking | glasse: what info are you looking for? |
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| 05:01.55 | stew | Draconicus: apt-get install a newer kernel |
| 05:02.20 | ignatius | or spend all night compiling from scratch like my stupid ass |
| 05:02.25 | liable | daedalus_: ermm, hmm, yes might help if I set up shorewall properly.... thanks for the help though :P |
| 05:02.31 | Draconicus | stew: I was just saying that I had meant to do that. Read your buffer back a bit. |
| 05:02.35 | ignatius | but hey - gotta get support for my vidcap card or someone's gonna DIE |
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| 05:02.45 | glasse | rking: Nothing serious, just some things I wondered about the glade packages. Now I'm just hanging out because I learn something every now and then. |
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| 05:03.56 | rking | glasse: did you get your glade answers? |
| 05:03.58 | Schiz0 | Debian struggling with security? http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/05/217225 |
| 05:04.03 | Schiz0 | What's up with that? |
| 05:04.08 | JeffH | stew: it downloads the packages before displaying the changes? Isn't that counter productive to the point of the tool? |
| 05:04.26 | rking | Schiz0: more importantly, what response is debian going to have to it? |
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| 05:05.09 | stew | JeffH: you cannot get the changelog from the deb without downloading the deb |
| 05:05.21 | mwilson | stew: How do you figure? |
| 05:05.31 | glasse | rking: Well, there was a reason that I was looking, which I eventually interpreted as "Yes, it's a bug in glade", so I filed a Bugzilla report. So yes, I got answers. |
| 05:05.32 | JeffH | stew: I thought it used changelogs.debian.net? |
| 05:05.49 | mwilson | stew: Unless it's an unofficial one, why wouldn't you use the link available at p.d.o? |
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| 05:06.05 | stew | JeffH: it doesn't |
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| 05:06.55 | JeffH | well, sounds like its time to roll my own. |
| 05:07.03 | kupal | from Iptables: "Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded." im using a debian em64 kernel whats the deal? |
| 05:07.18 | kupal | a kernel compile that will suck.. |
| 05:08.03 | JeffH | I want to automatically e-mail myself the changes between the version installed and the new version before I decide whether to download and install the package. |
| 05:08.28 | kupal | err well atleats i don't feel like doing it.. |
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| 05:10.44 | litage | i'm giving each of these their own partitions: /, /usr, /var, /tmp, /home but i'm not sure how much space to give the first 4. any suggestions? |
| 05:11.34 | JeffH | litage: depends on whether it's a server or workstation for one. |
| 05:11.47 | litage | JeffH: development server |
| 05:11.59 | joeytwiddle | litage, you could run du -sk /* on an existing server like the one you are making |
| 05:12.51 | JeffH | litage: for a server i have the following.. / - 512M, /usr - 6.0M, 3.0M - /var |
| 05:13.06 | JeffH | and /tmp should generally be 2x your memory. |
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| 05:13.32 | stew | JeffH: 6 megabytes for usr? |
| 05:13.39 | litage | JeffH: i thought the swap partition should be 1.5-2x your mem, and /tmp can be any size |
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| 05:14.06 | glasse | I have 7 GB for /usr and it wasn't enough. But I did compile x.org, which takes a lot of room. |
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| 05:14.33 | kupal | 64bit madness |
| 05:14.45 | doleyb | litage: that rule-of-thumb is old, pre linux 2.6 |
| 05:14.47 | kupal | damn how i hate the disparity between stable hardware and new shit. |
| 05:14.49 | deadcat | what is this: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 05:15.04 | stew | deadcat: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 05:15.10 | deadcat | thanks |
| 05:15.15 | JeffH | haha I love it.. I installed the latest clamav and it already says the clamav engine is out of date.. yet this is the newest debian package. |
| 05:15.21 | rking | i like a ~1GB / and a huge /usr, putting /home, /var, into it, and symlinking them to their normal places |
| 05:15.34 | sep | litage: the partition size depends inteierly on what your server does, fileserver many users you want a big /home, mail or print server you want a big /var, but probably dont need a big /home at all. some aplications like webmail saves lots of /tmp files you want that big. basicaly it's impossible to answer, identify your servers objective and make partitions out oof that |
| 05:15.37 | litage | doleyb: why did that change after 2.6? |
| 05:15.40 | deadcat | stew: new stuff eh? |
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| 05:16.06 | stew | deadcat: yeah apt .6 finally made it from experimental (and *cough* ubuntu) :) |
| 05:16.06 | sep | JeffH: security update lastnight, potential DOS flaw |
| 05:16.15 | kupal | iptables borked in em64 :( |
| 05:16.23 | deadcat | stew: hehe. |
| 05:16.43 | JeffH | sep: evidently even that is old. |
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| 05:17.12 | litage | thanks sep |
| 05:17.12 | JB318 | Speaking of disk space... how well does sarge handle LVM? Including root filesystem? |
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| 05:17.46 | Azar | 64 will be ok 2 years from now, I would not get miserable over it right now |
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| 05:18.20 | kupal | im wandering if i should step back to 32 |
| 05:18.31 | kupal | cause the mixed binary libs.. predominatly 32bit |
| 05:18.40 | kupal | it appears one should use a 64bt installer. |
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| 05:20.31 | liable | kupal: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
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| 05:21.20 | glasse | JB318: I'm not sure about sarge in general, but you might want to investigate how grub handles LVM -- I don't think it supports it natively, and I think in practice people use a seperate boot partition. |
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| 05:21.52 | kupal | well this sort of sucks tho |
| 05:21.58 | JB318 | glasse: Yeah, I've read about that... aside from /boot tho. Also, I've never seen anybody putting swap on LVM, but I've never seen anything explicitly say not to. |
| 05:22.30 | rodge | hi, I have recently changed to debian sarge. How to access packages like java-package? |
| 05:22.32 | kupal | its like umm umm umm umm.. do i run 32bit, or do i go through the madness of a reinstall config migrate and dselect mangling to get my same system.. |
| 05:22.50 | kupal | But things look okay i won't be a pig about it.. |
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| 05:24.05 | rodge | I tried to add "deb ... non-free" in sources.list, but I did'nt success. Please help |
| 05:24.37 | JB318 | Been a while since I've used Debian... switched to Gentoo in December since I couldn't deal with woody's ancientness any longer. |
| 05:24.46 | JB318 | Been thinking about coming back now that sarge is out. |
| 05:25.17 | Schiz0 | woody is stable right? |
| 05:25.29 | Gnea | woody is deprecated |
| 05:25.31 | liable | rodge: just append non-free to the other line. |
| 05:25.32 | Gnea | sarge is stable |
| 05:25.34 | rodge | Sarge is stable now |
| 05:25.37 | stew | !sarge |
| 05:25.37 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 05:25.51 | Schiz0 | Ah, what's testing now? |
| 05:25.55 | Gnea | !woody |
| 05:25.55 | dpkg | woody is probably the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" |
| 05:26.01 | Gnea | !etch |
| 05:26.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
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| 05:26.07 | Schiz0 | etch |
| 05:26.09 | Schiz0 | ok thanks |
| 05:26.11 | rodge | liable: i get errors then |
| 05:26.12 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:26.12 | Schiz0 | that stuff is confusing lol. |
| 05:26.19 | litage | !woody->sarge |
| 05:26.41 | liable | rodge: as in main contrib non-free |
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| 05:26.56 | litage | greg: could you `!woody->sarge` for me plz |
| 05:27.13 | dev1 | hi all can I mount my freebsd slices from debian? |
| 05:27.18 | stew | litage: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 05:27.38 | rodge | liable: it seems that is has been removed from the stable distribution |
| 05:27.43 | JB318 | So what's the sense on the ground about whether Debian will be able to release regularly? |
| 05:27.52 | afabian | dev1: yes. |
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| 05:28.17 | litage | thanks stew |
| 05:28.17 | liable | rodge: you talking about non-us? |
| 05:28.23 | karsten | JB318: mu |
| 05:28.32 | JB318 | karsten: Heh |
| 05:28.47 | Schiz0 | Would you guys say testing is ok to run? I'm not running any hardcore servers or anything |
| 05:29.04 | dev1 | -t ufs? |
| 05:29.16 | afabian | I'll bet Debian has had regular releases. It's just that the equation dictating the regular releases is exponential. ;) |
| 05:29.37 | karsten | JB318: I'd put money on 18-24 months, might be faster. I think the current system works _reasonably_ well. Testing/unstable for desktops, stable for bog-stable servers. |
| 05:29.46 | karsten | Schiz0: Testing for desktops is pretty sane. |
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| 05:30.34 | JB318 | karsten: Hmm... are they going to keep security updates for etch, or are they only going to do that once there's a big release push? That was the big thing keeping me away from testing. |
| 05:30.37 | karsten | afabian: No, I think it's based on a standard similar to the one RMS uses for his aharmonic songs. |
| 05:31.01 | stew | Schiz0: testing doesn't get security updates so it should be behind a firewall and you should /msg dpkg dsa |
| 05:31.11 | karsten | JB318: Point releases will happen, I'm pretty sure, not positive of the schedule. |
| 05:31.13 | JB318 | Is CTCP PING allowed in this channel? |
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| 05:31.29 | karsten | JB318: Thing is, unless you're a whitebox vendor, a lot of this doesn't particularly matter. |
| 05:31.32 | ignatius | mkinitrd isn't working for me |
| 05:31.36 | JB318 | karsten: I meant while it's testing... of course when it's stable ;) |
| 05:31.41 | karsten | JB318: It's frowned on, but you may not fry if you're lucky. |
| 05:31.43 | Gnea | JB318: not en masse |
| 05:31.49 | ignatius | it doesn't error when I run it, but the initrd.img file never shows |
| 05:31.55 | JB318 | Well I got one :( |
| 05:31.59 | karsten | !tell ignatius about doesn't work |
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| 05:32.13 | ignatius | heh |
| 05:32.14 | ignatius | okay |
| 05:32.21 | ignatius | it doesn't error when I run it, but the initrd.img file never shows |
| 05:32.32 | karsten | JB318: Ah. Um. Testing and security are sort of an issue. I have testing + unstable sources, pin to testing, and pull from unstable if necessary for security. |
| 05:32.52 | JB318 | karsten: Aha! :) |
| 05:32.55 | karsten | ignatius: check /boot, just as a hunch. |
| 05:33.01 | stew | JB318: etch won't get security updates until it is frozen, there are not enough resources available to provide security updates for testing |
| 05:33.02 | ignatius | it's not there |
| 05:33.12 | ignatius | that's where Im trying to put it |
| 05:33.33 | karsten | ignatius: pwd? |
| 05:33.34 | JB318 | stew: So it sounds like it's still not an adequate desktop distro (for those without the skill, time and inclination to do what karsten does). |
| 05:33.44 | mtnman | stew: apparently there are not enough resources to provide security updates for stable. |
| 05:33.57 | ignatius | me:/boot# mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.12.2- 2.6.12.2- |
| 05:34.04 | ignatius | and not happens |
| 05:34.06 | ignatius | I mean |
| 05:34.06 | JB318 | I like Ubuntu's idea of regular releases... but last I looked at them they didn't support stuff I use (e.g. GNUCash) |
| 05:34.09 | ignatius | the program executes |
| 05:34.25 | ignatius | but the file never shows up |
| 05:34.26 | JB318 | mtnman: Heh... have there been problems in that regard? I remembered them being relatively good about that. |
| 05:34.42 | mtnman | jb318: see slashdot. |
| 05:34.56 | JB318 | mtnman: Wow, haven't been there in months |
| 05:35.03 | dev1 | what the message means "Superrus Interrupt ...." ??? |
| 05:37.31 | JB318 | Ah... "Debian Struggling With Security"... and sarge finally released. Maybe the end of the world *is* near. ;p |
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| 05:37.42 | ^Willie^ | morning |
| 05:38.10 | rking | dev1: google doesn't have a single record of that message... are you 100% you're typing the message as-is? |
| 05:38.17 | stew | dev1: some device sent an interrupt that the kernel didn't expect |
| 05:38.28 | JB318 | dev1, rking: sp "Spurious" |
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| 05:39.10 | ^Willie^ | can someone tell me how i get only the debian kernel sources on my base install i'm still chrooted and dselect installed 100mb of crap but no kernel source |
| 05:39.24 | dev1 | JB318 yes Spurious |
| 05:39.33 | karsten | ignatius: or -o outfile option. man mkinitrd |
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| 05:39.38 | jm_ | ^Willie^: apt-cache search ... ; apt-get install pkgname ... |
| 05:39.43 | karsten | ignatius: ...if you didn't see taht the last time. |
| 05:39.45 | ignatius | karsten: I used -o |
| 05:39.49 | dev1 | and this messages appears on installation and sometimes now on ttys |
| 05:39.50 | karsten | ignatius: Hrm. |
| 05:40.06 | ignatius | could it be the "-" at the end of the kernel? |
| 05:40.11 | karsten | ignatius: Write perms to the location in question? What's exit status of mkinitrd? |
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| 05:40.23 | karsten | ignatius: Paste your full command. |
| 05:40.58 | ignatius | brock:/boot# mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.12.2- 2.6.12.2- |
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| 05:41.36 | ^Willie^ | jm_ thnx |
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| 05:44.21 | TBBle | dev1: Spurious interrupt is a driver/hardware issue, usually. You might have better luck with google... It means an interrupt happened but no driver laid claim to it. |
| 05:44.30 | caphuso | ignatius: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12.2- 2.6.12.2- |
| 05:45.03 | ignatius | oh my god |
| 05:45.05 | ignatius | that worked |
| 05:45.07 | ignatius | I'm an idiot |
| 05:45.10 | ignatius | thanks, caphuso |
| 05:45.17 | ignatius | gonna boot this bitch now |
| 05:45.19 | ignatius | bbl |
| 05:45.27 | ignatius | man it's late |
| 05:45.34 | Eclipser | haha |
| 05:45.36 | sep | it's early and im sleepy also |
| 05:45.44 | caphuso | actually, the idiot is the one who wrote mkinitrd |
| 05:46.22 | karsten | caphuso: Howso? |
| 05:46.28 | caphuso | it's not documented, it's not obvious, it's just broken behaviour |
| 05:46.32 | karsten | caphuso: ...and how would you phrase the bug? |
| 05:46.33 | rking | caphuso: you have to fully qualify the output argument? |
| 05:46.42 | caphuso | karsten: because it's an incredibly fucked up thing to do |
| 05:46.52 | caphuso | karsten: it's already reported |
| 05:46.58 | karsten | caphuso: What happens with an unspecified path? |
| 05:47.00 | karsten | caphuso: OK. |
| 05:47.03 | caphuso | karsten: nothing |
| 05:47.12 | dev1 | TBBle I installed debian 8 hours ago and I have so many questions about situations in debian that confuse me |
| 05:47.13 | karsten | Yeah, that's pretty much fucked. |
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| 05:47.30 | caphuso | well, it does the stuff in /tmp, but doesn't create the final result |
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| 05:47.32 | karsten | caphuso: Even a manpage fix would help. |
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| 05:47.43 | michal__ | anyone in here use courier popd/imapd with configuration in mysql? I've tried getting help in #courier but nobody is awake |
| 05:48.06 | sep | michal__ im doing that, but have issues getting crypted passwords, plain works |
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| 05:48.42 | michal__ | sep: i can't even get the home dirs to work. always getting courierpop3login: scancur opendir("cur"): No such file or directory |
| 05:48.42 | glick | excuse me does anyone know how to delete things from a table of contents in openoffice? |
| 05:48.48 | sep | michal__ uhh sorry misread your line, i have users/password in mysql my configs is still in textfiles |
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| 05:49.02 | karsten | glick: Delete the relevant sections(s) from your document. |
| 05:49.17 | glick | karsten, i just want to delete them from the index |
| 05:49.19 | karsten | glick: ...or format the headers to something other than a header style. |
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| 05:50.03 | karsten | glick: Is there a "no index" option for the section heading? Check that. |
| 05:50.46 | michal__ | getting a mailserver which handles virtual domains running is an absolute nightmare :( |
| 05:50.47 | karsten | Speaking of openoffice... |
| 05:50.56 | karsten | Have you ever noticed that on startup your entire desktop freezes? |
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| 05:51.09 | jm_ | it doesn't freeze here |
| 05:51.12 | TBBle | silya: Well, I doubt Spurious Interrupt is a Debian-specific issue, unless Debian has modified a driver and broken it in the process... |
| 05:51.32 | karsten | Turns out that it's a vestige of the old SO desktop, I think. It paints an invisible window over your entire screen. |
| 05:51.41 | karsten | I can move that window and then access my apps. |
| 05:51.47 | TBBle | michal__: I use that combination, as it happens, but I've never seen that error. I just followed a howto or two on the 'ne. |
| 05:51.49 | ke6isf | karsten: Never noticed that. |
| 05:51.51 | TBBle | 'net. |
| 05:51.53 | sep | michal__ it's readther easy if you follow one of the excelent tutorials out there. like http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ or http://www.high5.net |
| 05:52.18 | michal__ | TBBle: i've gone through 3 howtos already.. each doing things differently.. each failing in a different way |
| 05:52.31 | TBBle | Oh, wait. You store you _configuration_ in mySQL? |
| 05:53.04 | michal__ | TBBle: yes.. as per most of the howtos.. and by that i mean SOME of the configuration.. not all of it |
| 05:53.10 | sep | michal__ well i have had all tutorials working, but not in the way i need it. So I'm just picking something here and something there. if something failes, chences are you have done something wrong |
| 05:53.26 | mdh | michal__: use postfix. lots of doco on virtual domain setup with mysql et al |
| 05:53.30 | silya | TBBle ok |
| 05:53.35 | michal__ | sep: well I'm yet to find a solution for the problem I've described :/ |
| 05:53.39 | TBBle | postfix doesn't do pop3. |
| 05:53.42 | karsten | glick: How do you insert a TOC? |
| 05:53.47 | michal__ | mdh: i am using postfix |
| 05:53.54 | mdh | TBBle: of course not. no MTA does POP3 |
| 05:53.55 | sep | michal__ i didnt see any description, but i recently woke up so :P |
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| 05:53.59 | michal__ | mdh: but as TBBle said.. it doesn't do pop3 |
| 05:54.11 | mdh | michal__: not MTA does POP3 |
| 05:54.14 | mdh | s/not/no/ |
| 05:54.16 | rking | if only i could get some email telling me to get some kind of enhancement pills, that would be great |
| 05:54.25 | mdh | michal__: if you want POP3, you install a POP3 server |
| 05:54.30 | sep | rking: you can get some of mine. |
| 05:54.33 | michal__ | mdh: you responded to a pop3 problem with "use postfix" |
| 05:54.34 | mdh | michal__: same as if you want IMAP, you install an IMAP server |
| 05:54.42 | rking | sep: awesome. |
| 05:54.45 | TBBle | michal__: I just used /etc/courier/authmysqlrc and /etc/courier/pop3d |
| 05:54.49 | mdh | michal__: same as if you want HTTP, you install a web server |
| 05:54.51 | sep | rking: you'd think they quit nagging about those pills after 2 kids. i have proved i can get it up damit! |
| 05:54.53 | glick | openoffice is gay |
| 05:54.53 | michal__ | TBBle: same |
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| 05:55.08 | michal__ | TBBle: but I still get courierpop3login: scancur opendir("cur"): No such file or directory |
| 05:55.11 | TBBle | michal__: Oh, so your configuration isn't in mysql then? |
| 05:55.18 | rking | sep: 4 here and they still haven't caught on. in fact, if they sold some dehancement pills, i might be interested |
| 05:55.27 | karsten | glick: I think you want to define a new style that looks like a heading but isn't. |
| 05:55.36 | karsten | glick: ...and apply that to the relevant text. |
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| 05:55.52 | sep | michal__ keep in mind that authmysqlrc is the most tricky config file i'v encoutered. it's very sensitive to spaces in wrong places |
| 05:55.54 | glick | karsten, it keeps adding stupid stuff to the table of contents like half words |
| 05:55.56 | michal__ | TBBle: well only bits of it are. and the problem is it's IMPOSSIBLE to get courier-pop3 or -imapd to tell you what they are dong (ie what the path of the cur dir they are trying to open is) |
| 05:55.57 | glick | that i deleted and stuff |
| 05:56.05 | glick | whateva ima just to the TOC by hand |
| 05:56.07 | mdh | michal__: I responded to ( michal__) getting a mailserver which handles virtual domains running is an absolute nightmare :( |
| 05:56.09 | karsten | glick: Can you post the doc? |
| 05:56.20 | TBBle | I'm using MYSQL_SELECT_CLAUSE so I build the SQL statement myself... |
| 05:56.21 | glick | karstn where? |
| 05:56.25 | glick | i can send it to you? |
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| 05:56.34 | michal__ | mdh: fair enough |
| 05:56.41 | Draconicus | X is configured, and I've tried every possible driver, and my serial mouse still will not work. |
| 05:56.49 | glick | karsten, where could i send it? |
| 05:56.54 | michal__ | TBBle: i'm using the built in one.. but it's not working |
| 05:57.03 | Draconicus | The mouse itself works, and should work with one of the drivers (and likely microsoft), but it doesn't. |
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| 05:57.10 | karsten | glick: Well, that's sort of your problem. |
| 05:57.11 | michal__ | TBBle: to be fair maybe it is workingg.. but it still fails |
| 05:57.16 | mdh | http://www.postfix.org/docs.html |
| 05:57.25 | TBBle | SELECT CONCAT(LoginName,'@',Domain), '', Password, '1004', '8', CONCAT('/var/mail/',Domain,'/'), CONCAT(LoginName, '/'), '','' FROM table WHERE LoginName = '$(local_part)' AND Domain = '$(domain)'; |
| 05:57.25 | karsten | glick: Got a website? Running a server on your current system? |
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| 05:57.44 | karsten | glick: You could create an account at twiki.iwethey.org and upload. I admin the site. |
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| 05:57.48 | sep | Draconicus: do you have a serial port configured ? dmesg | grep ttyS , is it working cat /dev/ttyS0 and wiggle the mouse |
| 05:57.49 | mdh | michal__: therte's 8 howtos there just on using MySQL |
| 05:57.58 | glick | karsten, nah man i dont have a website dude, i dont know how to fix an TOC problem in OO yet im running a webserver? |
| 05:57.59 | mdh | michal__: and courier of course |
| 05:58.30 | michal__ | mdh: and none of them work.. that's the point. they all tell me the same thing.. but I keep getting the same error. and there appears to be no way of debuggin the problem because courier loggin sucks |
| 05:58.32 | Draconicus | sep: I checked to see if the mouse works via cat, and it does. A |
| 05:58.34 | Draconicus | -A |
| 05:58.39 | sep | michal__ you said virtual users ? they dont have a home dir, you specify it staticaly in the courier config usualy. so you messed up there i guess. |
| 05:58.44 | TBBle | michal__: That returns 'username, cryptpw, clearpw, uid, gid, home, maildir, quota, fullname, options' |
| 05:58.49 | glick | karsten, cant i just dcc it to you? |
| 05:58.50 | karsten | glick: You're running Debian. aptitude install apache. |
| 05:58.57 | michal__ | sep: no.. all those details are in mysql |
| 05:58.57 | karsten | glick: Um. Sure. |
| 05:59.04 | glick | cool |
| 05:59.16 | michal__ | ie |
| 05:59.17 | michal__ | SELECT username, password, "", '1004', '1004', '/var/vmail/', maildir, "", name, "" FROM mailbox WHERE username = "michal@appl.com.au" AND (active='1') |
| 05:59.29 | sep | michal__ oh are you using libnss_mysql and libpam_mysql then or ? |
| 05:59.42 | Schiz0 | What would you guys say takes more memory/cpu time, KDE or Gnome, or whatever other GUI there is? |
| 05:59.55 | michal__ | sep: http://www.besy.co.uk/projects/debian/sarge_mail_server_howto.htm |
| 06:00.26 | karsten | glick: Um. Is it working? |
| 06:00.32 | karsten | glick: I don't dcc much. |
| 06:00.44 | glick | karsten, no i guess its not |
| 06:00.49 | glick | god damnit |
| 06:00.57 | glick | the universe doesnt want me to finish this damn document |
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| 06:01.32 | karsten | glick: aptitude install apache; cp foo /var/www. |
| 06:01.34 | dev1 | on startup 3 or 4 messages appears like can't load module etc. where I can look for them? |
| 06:01.38 | glick | why cant i just highlight something and click remove from table |
| 06:01.40 | karsten | glick: ...make sure it's world-readable, and tell me its name. |
| 06:01.42 | glick | wtf is that soo much to ask for? |
| 06:01.48 | glick | is that unreasonable? |
| 06:01.49 | karsten | glick: Because the table is generated text. |
| 06:01.51 | michal__ | sep: so I'm using /etc/courier/authdaemonrc with authmodulelist="authmysql" |
| 06:02.09 | glick | karsten, is there a way to clear the entire table from the document so i can start from scratch? |
| 06:02.10 | mdh | Schiz0: KDE |
| 06:02.18 | Draconicus | sep: *PROD* The mouse works, as shown by cat. Any other ideas? |
| 06:02.25 | karsten | glick: Yeah, delete the TOC. |
| 06:02.31 | TBBle | michal__: And you've got a 'cur' in the right place? |
| 06:02.48 | michal__ | sep: the author of the howto SEEMS to have forgotten about the MYSQL_HOME_FIELD which I have worked out needs to be set to '/var/vmail' in my configg |
| 06:02.49 | karsten | glick: Turn on the reveal codes thing to see it. |
| 06:02.50 | Schiz0 | mdh- so gnome would be more slow-computer friendly? |
| 06:02.59 | ke6isf | Schiz0: KDE. I can get Gnome to run reasonably well on 64 MB, but KDE just sort of crawls on it. |
| 06:03.04 | mdh | Schiz0: not by much... but yes |
| 06:03.21 | michal__ | TBBle: it's in the place it's supposed to be for my config.. ie postfix made it using the same configs as courier should be using. |
| 06:03.28 | mdh | Schiz0: XFCE is much better if you want a DE. Or just go with a plain window manager |
| 06:03.28 | Schiz0 | Thanks dudes. |
| 06:03.31 | glasse | Schiz0: How technically-literate is the user who's going to be using the slow computer in question? |
| 06:03.34 | TBBle | michal__: And the values of maildir in your database end in '/' correctly? |
| 06:03.45 | michal__ | TBBle: yes |
| 06:03.47 | mdh | Schiz0: like ion3 or wmaker or pekwm or whatever |
| 06:03.47 | ke6isf | Schiz0: My wife's been using Black Box for her WM; seems to like it. |
| 06:03.49 | Schiz0 | Me. I'm not technically illiterate |
| 06:03.50 | sep | Draconicus: yous using the sermouse module and /dev/input/mice right ? |
| 06:03.51 | glick | karsten, nah deleteting t does not delete the table cause when i insert it again its the same table |
| 06:03.58 | mdh | fluxbox is another good one |
| 06:04.00 | glasse | Schiz0: Because like mdh says, there are other alternatives for WMs if you really need speed |
| 06:04.00 | karsten | glick: Well, duh. |
| 06:04.09 | nemo | mdh: what is ion3 like? can it do a good pwm impersonation yet? |
| 06:04.15 | Schiz0 | Yeah I could use a nice GUI but I need speed too |
| 06:04.19 | Draconicus | sep: Yep. |
| 06:04.22 | glick | karsten, how do i delete it for good? |
| 06:04.23 | mdh | nemo: pwm3 is implemented by ion3 |
| 06:04.25 | glick | start over? |
| 06:04.26 | caphuso | nemo: ion and pwm are the same thing |
| 06:04.28 | mdh | nemo: its a symlink |
| 06:04.28 | karsten | glick: The table is generated by your use of "Heading" styles. <F11> will give you a list of available styles. |
| 06:04.44 | glick | karsten, i dont use heading styles |
| 06:04.51 | sep | Draconicus: and also mousedev loaded ? are you sure your config in X is sane ? |
| 06:04.53 | TBBle | michal__: You could strace it, maybe. |
| 06:04.54 | nemo | caphuso: yes, but the last time I looked, pwm2 and pwm3 (ie, ion2 and ion3) were still featurepoor compared to original pwm |
| 06:04.57 | karsten | glick: Try resending that file |
| 06:05.06 | glick | i underline it and add to toc |
| 06:05.14 | michal__ | TBBle: i tried that already.. even strace doesn't give me any more than "cur" |
| 06:05.16 | caphuso | nemo: huh? |
| 06:05.22 | mdh | nemo: pwm3 worked fine for me last I tried |
| 06:05.50 | nemo | caphuso: I use pwm - have done since before ion even existed... but some things (menus I seem to recall was one) weren't implemented in floating ion3 workspaces last time I looked |
| 06:05.51 | TBBle | michal__: Then it's somehow not getting the values your query is returning for home and maildir. |
| 06:05.52 | Draconicus | sep: Yes, yes, and yes. I've tried every protocol that could possibly be a serial mouse, too. |
| 06:05.59 | nemo | mdh: cool... I'll give it another go sometime then |
| 06:06.06 | caphuso | nemo: you didn't look |
| 06:06.13 | karsten | glick: what's your local IP address? Would it happen to be 192.168.0.2? |
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| 06:06.18 | michal__ | TBBle: oh but it must be.. i just don't know if it's interpreting them correctly.. there is NO way to debug the bastard |
| 06:06.21 | nemo | caphuso: I talked to tuomo :P |
| 06:06.22 | christianp | hi all |
| 06:06.27 | hcy | help me please... crisis here: two days ago i brought home a new external 160G harddisk, plugged it into the firewire. worked fine - was recognized as /dev/sdc , i partitioned it with cfdisk and then used mkfs.ext3 to make one big ext3 partition on it. worked fine, started using it, put around 40G of video data on it. Then, yesterday, out of the blue, i started getting errors - i forget what it said exactly but something about it trying to writ |
| 06:06.27 | hcy | e past the end of it or something like that. And the disk just stopped - ls, touch - nothing worked on it, it was invisible. So I unmounted it, and tried to mount it again, but it said wrong filesystem type. I rebooted, and it's not detected anymore - it detects /dev/sdc but not the partition - /dev/sdc1. if I try cfdisk /dev/sdc to see what's going on with it, it says "unknown partition table type, do you wish to start with a zero table". h |
| 06:06.28 | hcy | ow can i get it working again, and save my data, please? |
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| 06:06.32 | Schiz0 | woah. |
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| 06:06.51 | nemo | (concession: that might have been for floating workspaces in ion2) |
| 06:06.53 | michal__ | TBBle: when i execute the query manually (and I KNOW it's the query it uses bcause I'm cutting and pasting it out of the log file IT creates) I get the results expected |
| 06:07.03 | mdh | nemo: I have ion3 installed as my backup wm in case pekwm fails |
| 06:07.05 | sep | michal__ hmm the homedis is one of the argument in that file that needs the "'s like MYSQL_HOME_FIELD "/home/vmail" |
| 06:07.12 | TBBle | And it's readable as the user and group you've specific (1004)? |
| 06:07.17 | sep | s/dis/dir/ |
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| 06:07.21 | nemo | mdh: groovy. what's pekwm like? |
| 06:07.23 | Schiz0 | hcy- Please don't paste that much text, it's kinda annoying |
| 06:07.34 | mdh | for an unreleased development version, very nice :) |
| 06:07.35 | karsten | hcy: I've had mixed results with firewire. Do you have a 'Doze box handy? |
| 06:07.41 | karsten | Schiz0: Relevant in this case. |
| 06:07.45 | michal__ | sep: everywhere I've looked says it should use single quotes.. |
| 06:07.56 | hcy | karsten: i guess not - what's a doze box? |
| 06:07.59 | Schiz0 | yeah, but it;s still a bit annoying |
| 06:08.01 | hcy | oh, windows |
| 06:08.04 | nemo | oooh, based on aewm++ ... nice. that was super fast last time I used it. |
| 06:08.06 | sep | michal__ i'm using " and it's working for me, but i use textfile configs tho |
| 06:08.11 | hcy | windows won't detect ext3 |
| 06:08.12 | karsten | glick: I think you've got a NAT problem, 'coz I'm being sent the DCC from 192.168.0.2. Which I can't reach. |
| 06:08.18 | karsten | hcy: 'Doze == Windows. |
| 06:08.19 | sep | also the walkaround howto uses "'s |
| 06:08.21 | michal__ | sep: same.. look at http://forums.high5.net/lofiversion/index.php/t346.html |
| 06:08.22 | mdh | nemo: http://hewphoria.com/themes/pekwm/254826/th-ICE.png |
| 06:08.25 | TBBle | michal__: Single quotes will make MYSQL return the exact value speicified. |
| 06:08.28 | hcy | karsten: what will that do for me? |
| 06:08.28 | christianp | i'm searching drivers for HP StorageWorks DAT 72 unit. I found the one for RedHat and for Suse. I download the one for RedHat (it's a .rpm package). Is there a way to install it in my Sarge server? |
| 06:08.31 | mdh | nemo: that's the current theme I'm using |
| 06:08.37 | Draconicus | sep: *poke* |
| 06:08.40 | liable | Schiz0: better than thirty lines of single statements. :) |
| 06:08.48 | karsten | hcy: You can confirm firewire functionality under MS. |
| 06:08.51 | michal__ | TBBle: which is exactly what I'm after |
| 06:08.58 | TBBle | michal__: ls -lad /var/mail/*/cur |
| 06:08.59 | Schiz0 | ok, ok guys, jeez :-P |
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| 06:09.12 | hcy | karsten: oh my firewire works fine, i have two other external HDD's on the same firewire that work perfectly |
| 06:09.14 | karsten | christianp: Should just be a SCSI DAT tape. You'd want scsi and mt drivers. |
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| 06:09.22 | nemo | mdh: pretty. and does tabs. huzzah. I'll loko into that one too |
| 06:09.26 | mdh | nemo: it pretty much supports everything I want... dynamic menus, window properties, keybindings, ... |
| 06:09.27 | michal__ | TBBle: well maildir is <domain>/<user>/ so that wouldn't work |
| 06:09.33 | karsten | hcy: OK. Point remains that you want to confirm the unit works under a different system. |
| 06:09.38 | sep | Draconicus: well i dont know much more, f it's a recent mouse id try the explorePS/2 but i guess youv tried thatone |
| 06:09.40 | mdh | nemo: I have an i386 .deb if you want |
| 06:09.41 | karsten | hcy: If it's dead dead, it may be HW. |
| 06:09.44 | christianp | karsten, and where i find it? |
| 06:09.57 | hcy | karsten: hmmm i c |
| 06:10.00 | karsten | christianp: /lib/modules/$( uname -r )/kernel/drivers |
| 06:10.04 | nemo | mdh: please, yeah. |
| 06:10.14 | Draconicus | sep: It's an '80s Tandy 1000 mouse. :) |
| 06:10.15 | karsten | christianp: More generally: modprobe foo. |
| 06:10.26 | TBBle | michal__: And that's what you're returning in the maildir column of your table? |
| 06:10.35 | christianp | karsten, ok, thanks |
| 06:10.45 | sep | Draconicus: aoo have no idea what those uses, i wasnt using linux in the 80's :P |
| 06:10.48 | michal__ | TBBle: yes.. so I'm baffled |
| 06:10.48 | hcy | karsten: should i exchange it then? it's brand new, still has warranty |
| 06:10.53 | karsten | hcy: Does the drive itself appear to be functioning? Status light(s), spins, etc. No magic smoke leakage... |
| 06:11.03 | karsten | hcy: That's a definite option. |
| 06:11.05 | hcy | karsten: yeah looks fine |
| 06:11.13 | TBBle | michal__: From memory, I had problems with the 'maildir' value being more than a single name, that's why my home is CONCAT('/var/mail',Domain) |
| 06:11.16 | michal__ | TBBle: basically it's $MYSQL_HOME_FIELD/$MYSQL_MAILDIR_FIELD/$MAILDIRPATH |
| 06:11.16 | karsten | hcy: I'd try troubleshooting it though first. |
| 06:11.22 | nemo | mdh: my pwm setup is prettymuch unchanged from mid 2000 or so... I'm basically looking for sometrhing that can replicate my current pwm setup in feel (look is secondary), and add a few little things and fix a few little bugs ;) |
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| 06:11.44 | TBBle | michal__: No it's not. If you provide a maildir field, it ignores MAILDIRPATH. |
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| 06:11.48 | glick | how can i change the color of the font |
| 06:12.01 | mdh | nemo: can you pick up that dcc? Otherwise I'll try putting it on kermit or something |
| 06:12.07 | michal__ | TBBle: not according to all the documentation :/ |
| 06:12.11 | Draconicus | This mouse seems to be a generic serial. I don't know why it isn't picked up like it should be. |
| 06:12.11 | glick | i cant believe the designers of OO didnt include an option that tells it which pages to start numbering |
| 06:12.14 | hcy | karsten: ok, so what do you suggest? booting into windows and formatting it as fat32? is there any hope of making it usable again? spent hours getting that data onto it |
| 06:12.44 | karsten | hcy: See if 'Doze detects the drive. Formatting it would tend to make recovering your data a tad difficult. |
| 06:12.47 | mdh | nemo: that hewphoria.com site is the main pekwm theme site, I think there's a pwm-lookalike theme on there |
| 06:12.47 | TBBle | michal__: Here, I have /var/mail/domain/user/{cur,tmp,new}, with the config I provided above, even though pop3d's MAILDIRPATH is set to Maildir/ |
| 06:13.00 | hcy | karsten: so just see if it detects it. ok i can do that |
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| 06:13.01 | TBBle | michal__: Documentation be damned, it's obviously not working. ^_^ |
| 06:13.02 | karsten | hcy: I assume you've got the data elsewhere, right? |
| 06:13.06 | karsten | hcy: Yeah. |
| 06:13.08 | JB318 | Draconicus: I think that mouse belongs in a museum ;p |
| 06:13.28 | michal__ | TBBle: ok.. so now I have another problem.. postfix tries to use Maildir.. |
| 06:13.31 | hcy | karsten: well yeah, on dv tapes. but it's annoying and takes a long time to transfer them, so i'd rather not have to again |
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| 06:13.52 | nemo | mdh: yeah, look-alike is irrelevant to me... it's the 'feel-alike' ability... my pwm is far from stock pwm keybindings already (though not far from wmaker) ... so if it can do it, I'm willing to go to the effort to customise it to me ;) |
| 06:14.06 | TBBle | michal__: Not here it doesn't. |
| 06:14.09 | mdh | nemo: the second one is the debian menu file, I haven't put that into the package yet (or so it seems :( |
| 06:14.23 | afabian | I have the first mouse I ever owned. A 3-button Logitech Mouseman serial. Actually, it was my favorite mouse until the advent of USB/optical. I don't use the old mouseman anymore, but I still have it. |
| 06:14.28 | michal__ | TBBle: select_field = concat(maildir,'Maildir/') |
| 06:14.36 | hcy | karsten: oh, don't know if this answers your question but when i boot into linux the drive itself does get detected - it says something about sdc ... just, unlike my other drives it doesn't say anything about the partitions on it (sdc1 sdc2) |
| 06:14.42 | litage | which keymap should i use for a normal/standard layout, us-intl.iso01.kmap.gz or us-intl.iso15.kmap.gz ? |
| 06:14.55 | hcy | karsten: (my other drives each have two partitions - a big ext3 and a small fat32) |
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| 06:14.58 | karsten | hcy: Right. 'fdisk -l /dev/sdc' |
| 06:15.02 | nemo | mdh: ahh, coolies. I'll have a look-see tonight probably :) |
| 06:15.03 | mdh | nemo: the .deb was built on sid... fwiw |
| 06:15.03 | karsten | hcy: ...does that list anything? |
| 06:15.04 | TBBle | michal__: Then don't concat Maildir/ to it.... |
| 06:15.30 | hcy | karsten: yes: |
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| 06:15.30 | TBBle | michal__: Or make the Courier query return Maildir/ as the maildir string, and the home be /var/mail/domain/user/ |
| 06:15.49 | TBBle | michal__: Either way, the problem is that you've got Postfix looking one place, and courier looking in the directory above. |
| 06:15.50 | nemo | mdh: well, hopefully it wont break me. I'm sitting on sarge, though not quite fully updated from pre-release testing. stoopie download caps ;) |
| 06:15.56 | michal__ | TBBle: I was just following a howto. and it claimed to have these 2 configs working together.. unless there's some vital piece of information missing it's wrong though |
| 06:15.58 | hcy | karsten: Disk /dev/sdc: 163.9 GB, 163928604672 bytes // 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19929 cylinders // Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes // Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 06:16.01 | TBBle | I'd suggest changing courier, if you've already received email. |
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| 06:16.19 | karsten | hcy: Sounds like damaged data to me. I'd count the video lost. |
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| 06:16.30 | michal__ | TBBle: frankly i'd rather retain the Maildir.. makes it a tiny bit easier to relocate.. can I concat Maildir in the courier select query instead? |
| 06:16.31 | christianp | karsten, i load st module. And now? How can i check my DAT is working? |
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| 06:16.34 | TBBle | michal__: Well, maybe it changed. I'm on Sarge, and have been running this config for several years without major surgery. |
| 06:16.35 | glick | can i number my pages starting from a certian page? |
| 06:16.36 | hcy | karsten: what about the hardware? |
| 06:16.39 | TBBle | michal__: Yes. |
| 06:16.43 | karsten | christianp: 'mt status /dev/nst0 |
| 06:16.47 | TBBle | michal__: Which howto? |
| 06:16.48 | hcy | karsten: should i assume it's defective? or try again first? |
| 06:16.50 | NoRemorse | hello, what dist of debian installs kernel 2.6 by default please? |
| 06:17.01 | karsten | hcy: What's in your syslog about that device? |
| 06:17.17 | michal__ | TBBle: how would I do it given it's using an internal select query? |
| 06:17.25 | michal__ | http://www.besy.co.uk/projects/debian/sarge_mail_server_howto.htm |
| 06:17.26 | liable | NoRemorse: sarge, use linux26 at the boot prompt |
| 06:17.28 | TBBle | michal__: CONCAT. |
| 06:17.39 | karsten | christianp: Is that a single drive or multi-drive / loader unit? |
| 06:17.39 | TBBle | NoRemorse: None of them do, at this point. Sarge and latter have it as an option. |
| 06:17.52 | michal__ | TBBle: yes but where? there's nothing to modify as there's no select query |
| 06:18.06 | NoRemorse | TBBle: cool, I have installed sarge, how do i easily upgrade to 2.6? |
| 06:18.20 | mdh | nemo: that's the debian/ build dir - if you have probs just grab the source, whack that in, and debuild your own ;) |
| 06:18.28 | christianp | karsten, i believe a single one (only one tape) |
| 06:18.32 | christianp | karsten, mt: /dev/tape: No such file or direct |
| 06:18.52 | karsten | christianp: mt status /dev/nst0 |
| 06:18.54 | NoRemorse | liable: do I have to reinstalls sarge to do linux26 ? |
| 06:18.55 | hcy | karsten: unfortunately, nothing :( I just set up kmyfirewall the other day and it seems to be sending stuff to the syslog every few seconds, which erases the first stuff that was in there :( |
| 06:19.07 | karsten | NoRemorse: No. Install a 2.6 kernel. |
| 06:19.13 | christianp | karsten, mt: /dev/tape: No such file or direct |
| 06:19.26 | karsten | christianp: Sec. |
| 06:19.34 | TBBle | NoRemorse: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6, pick one, and apt-get install it. Grub should run, and reboot. |
| 06:19.37 | NoRemorse | karsten: dont really feel like doing all the rebuild stuff if apt-get or whatever will just install a prebuilt for me |
| 06:19.39 | karsten | christianp: mt -f /dev/nst0 status |
| 06:19.52 | karsten | christianp: ...and while you're at it: ln -s /dev/nst0 /dev/tape |
| 06:20.14 | NoRemorse | ok thanks, one more thing I put lilo on how do I tell grub to reinstall on mbr? |
| 06:20.18 | karsten | NoRemorse: There's nothing to rebuild. Install a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 06:20.23 | hcy | karsten: what do you suggest i do? |
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| 06:20.28 | karsten | hcy: panic. |
| 06:20.33 | TBBle | michal__: It just assembles the things you put in there into a query. So you make the homedir "CONCAT('/var/mail/',Domain,maildir,'/')" and the maildir 'Maildir/'. |
| 06:20.39 | hcy | karsten: yes, i've done that already. now what? |
| 06:20.57 | TBBle | NoRemorse: grub-install is the script for that. |
| 06:21.02 | karsten | hcy: Do you remember how you had the drive partitioned? |
| 06:21.02 | liable | NoRemorse: apt-cache kernel-image, pick one, apt-get install it, reboot |
| 06:21.08 | NoRemorse | ok thanks again. will try now |
| 06:21.11 | karsten | hcy: You might be able to recover partitioning with gpart. |
| 06:21.14 | hcy | karsten: yes, it was all one big linux partition |
| 06:21.16 | TBBle | michal__: This is why I used a custom mySQL script, it was easier to debug. ^_^ |
| 06:21.19 | liable | gah |
| 06:21.26 | christianp | karsten, where can i paste the output? |
| 06:21.36 | karsten | !tell christianp about paster |
| 06:21.40 | karsten | christianp: ...or /join #flood |
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| 06:22.09 | karsten | hcy: Either manually redo the partition table, or run gpart to see if it can work it out. |
| 06:22.18 | Draconicus | Hrm. |
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| 06:22.21 | hcy | karsten: ok i'll apt-get install gpart |
| 06:22.29 | karsten | hcy: I'd try writing a bunch of noncritical data to the disk then, and make sure my syslog doesn't get overwritten. |
| 06:22.33 | TBBle | michal__: Also because I originally used teapop. ^_^ |
| 06:22.36 | Draconicus | Well, I've concluded that the issue was not a matter of the mouse being used, as a newer one doesn't work either. |
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| 06:23.04 | hcy | karsten: ok |
| 06:23.07 | paster | "christianp" at 80.21.57.50 pasted "output: mt -f /dev/nst0 status" (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/302 |
| 06:23.10 | nemo | mdh: funky monkey =) |
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| 06:23.34 | Draconicus | There is something in the x config that is preventing it from using the mouse correctly, but this is unknown. I have the device location correct, and the Microsoft protocol should be correct. |
| 06:23.58 | poonj | hey guys..anyone here familiar with the .htaccess file setup with apache? |
| 06:24.04 | christianp | karsten, http://channels.debian.net/paste/302 |
| 06:24.14 | poonj | according to my .htaccess file in my mythweb directory |
| 06:24.18 | mdh | nemo: if you want to try ion3/pwm3, its all configured in lua now. so you might want to read up on lua |
| 06:24.35 | poonj | it says that I should have the authuserfile in /var/www/htpasswd, which I created |
| 06:24.38 | _root_ | does xorg-x11-devel requires on xorg-x11 |
| 06:24.59 | christianp | karsten, is it working? |
| 06:25.01 | nemo | mdh: yeah, will keep that in mind... it's probably been about a year since I really went wmanager hunting last... so it's probably time :) |
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| 06:25.48 | karsten | christianp: Sec. |
| 06:26.03 | karsten | christianp: Yeah, that's golden. |
| 06:26.11 | karsten | christianp: So what do you want to do with this puppy/ |
| 06:26.23 | christianp | karsten, you are great!!! Thanks |
| 06:26.30 | karsten | christianp: 'man mt' for the mag tape (mt == Mag Tape) commands. |
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| 06:26.57 | christianp | karsten, now, to schedule HD backups, i need something like bacula, isn't it? |
| 06:27.03 | karsten | christianp: ... basics are 'rewind', 'rwoffl' (rewind & eject), 'fsf <count>' 'bsf <count>' (forward/backward scan file). |
| 06:27.18 | karsten | christianp: Google 'linux backups'. I think I'm still the #1 result. |
| 06:27.41 | karsten | christianp: Rats. I've slipped. #2. |
| 06:28.31 | karsten | christianp: ...anyway: "tar cvf /dev/nst0 <path>" will create a tar archive on tape. There's lots of other options, but that's the one I like. |
| 06:28.41 | mdh | nemo: oh, my debian/rules file wants gcc 4.0 and optimises for an Athlon XP. You might want to change that ;) |
| 06:28.49 | hcy | karsten: gpart's running... no output yet |
| 06:29.10 | Draconicus | I'm close to beating my head with an innocent serial mouse. Please help me. |
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| 06:29.22 | Schiz0 | What's up Draconicus? |
| 06:29.24 | hcy | Draconicus: no, help the mouse |
| 06:29.29 | karsten | christianp: 'nst0' is the first nonrewinding scsi tape. That is, the tape does *not* rewind after operations. '/dev/st0' *does* rewind, leading to the phenomenon of stacked backups. Very space-efficient. Not particularly good for recovery. |
| 06:29.34 | karsten | hcy: OK. |
| 06:29.48 | Draconicus | Schiz0: I'm trying to get X to work with my serial mouse, but it won't. |
| 06:29.55 | Schiz0 | Fun. |
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| 06:30.05 | karsten | Draconicus: It's no longer innocent, does that help you any? |
| 06:30.21 | karsten | Draconicus: What mouse device are you using? |
| 06:30.28 | Draconicus | Nooo! You have tainted the innocence of the Tandy 1000 mouse! :( |
| 06:30.39 | christianp | karsten, i have 5 tapes, one for each dayweek: from monday to friday, is it a good choice? |
| 06:30.50 | Draconicus | karsten: As in the port, or the protocol? Or do you mean /dev/input/mice? |
| 06:31.11 | TBBle | Draconicus: Do you get any useful errors from X when it starts? |
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| 06:31.31 | litage | what is bash_completion? i can't find any definitive explanation/info on google |
| 06:31.37 | Draconicus | TBBle: I did, but now that I've enabled the sermouse module, it doesn't complain. |
| 06:31.48 | TBBle | Draconicus: It just doesn't work? Ouch. |
| 06:32.01 | TBBle | sermouse is a linux module, so you now get data from /dev/input/mice? |
| 06:32.12 | Draconicus | Yeah. The mouse is fine, too. Cat reveals a happy, reponse-spewing device on /dev/ttyS0. |
| 06:32.20 | RichiH | litage: fo you know svn? |
| 06:32.22 | karsten | Draconicus: Um. You want a serial device. Not /dev/input/mouse. I think. |
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| 06:32.29 | kadarkhan | hello all |
| 06:32.30 | karsten | Draconicus: Use /dev/ttyS0 then. |
| 06:32.33 | litage | RichiH: i know of svn.. |
| 06:32.44 | jm_ | litage: ls /etc/bash_completion ; file bash_completion ; more /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 06:32.45 | RichiH | litage: for example, you could tell bash to complete svn com<tab> to svn commit |
| 06:32.47 | karsten | christianp: Yeah, a five-tape rotation is sane. |
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| 06:32.53 | Draconicus | karsten: In X config? It is. |
| 06:33.01 | kadarkhan | i know you cannot just edit /etc/resolv.conf, what do i need to edit to change the entries? right now i have 10.11.12.5 and 10.11.12.6, i need it to read another IP |
| 06:33.05 | litage | jm_, RichiH: ah i see. thanks |
| 06:33.16 | RichiH | litage: or tell it that kpdf <tab> should only complete on *.pdf |
| 06:33.21 | christianp | karsten, ok, thanks a lot for your help |
| 06:33.21 | karsten | Draconicus: Does *anything* happen when you do mousey things in X? Like pointer moving randomly all over screen? |
| 06:33.25 | karsten | christianp: NP. |
| 06:33.27 | BlackJudas | Why is it that I need to register a password with gnome-keyring? :o if I cancel it kills gksu and the forked app... |
| 06:33.35 | Draconicus | karsten: No. Nothing at all. |
| 06:33.38 | karsten | kadarkhan: Just edit it. |
| 06:33.39 | BlackJudas | then if I do set one.... it just doesn't load shit |
| 06:34.00 | sep | kadarkhan: depends if you have static configs you can edit resolv.conf, if you use dhcp you should add it to your dhcpd.conf, if you have resolvconf package you should add it to your interfaces file |
| 06:34.11 | TBBle | kadarkhan: You _can_ just edit /etc/resolv.conf unless you're using resolv-conf, in which case there will be a warning in /etc/resolv.conf and directions on what to do, I think. |
| 06:34.23 | karsten | kadarkhan: Um. It may get overwritten by pppd, if you're using a dialup connection. |
| 06:34.37 | karsten | !tell Draconicus about paster |
| 06:34.47 | karsten | Draconicus: Paste your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:35.05 | Draconicus | karsten: ...I can't. It's a different computer. |
| 06:35.12 | glick | hey what does [sic] mean in a sentance? |
| 06:35.18 | Draconicus | I was editing Config, though. I found the problem. |
| 06:35.25 | nemo | mdh: if I get that far into it, I'll be sure to muddle through it... ;) |
| 06:35.30 | karsten | Draconicus: Sure you can. |
| 06:35.30 | TBBle | Draconicus: sermouse is a linux module, so you now get data from /dev/input/mice? Or an X module? |
| 06:35.36 | deadcat | glick: nothing. typo |
| 06:35.40 | kadarkhan | TBBle so i can just have nameserver 172.16.17.1 instead of search or the other nameserver? |
| 06:35.47 | karsten | Draconicus: Got network to it? Got a floppy? Got a USB key? |
| 06:35.51 | glick | deadcat, huh? |
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| 06:36.04 | deadcat | glick: ^^ |
| 06:36.10 | karsten | Draconicus: If you've got a way of transferring data, you can paste it someplace. |
| 06:36.17 | karsten | deadcat: Gr00ts. |
| 06:36.35 | deadcat | karsten: dont drink and type |
| 06:36.36 | nemo | mdh: so long as nothing crashes my machine to a powerdown state, I'm happy. ;) (my powersupply or mobo is b0rked, and it only detects the drive on about one in 50 cold starts) |
| 06:36.50 | karsten | deadcat: Got any more flicking card vids? |
| 06:37.00 | Draconicus | karsten: I'm afraid I don't. Regardless, I was running the wrong config. That's why it wasn't working. |
| 06:37.19 | karsten | Draconicus: That can do it. |
| 06:37.25 | deadcat | karsten: nah. havent dont any videos of card. but i have one with drumbsticks. let me encode it |
| 06:37.40 | jim | that can do it no matter what you're configgin |
| 06:37.43 | Draconicus | karsten: For some reason that config altered X's behavior, though. |
| 06:37.48 | kadarkhan | do i need to restart my firewall if i restart networking? or does the chain stay in place and still apply to the network interfaces? |
| 06:38.04 | Draconicus | Though it didn't fix the resolution... I dunno. |
| 06:38.05 | karsten | kadarkhan: No, you don't. |
| 06:38.13 | kadarkhan | ok thanks |
| 06:38.28 | mdh | nemo: this has been rock-solid stable for me. |
| 06:38.34 | litage | should CLI aliases be put in /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 06:38.51 | karsten | litage: I generally put 'em in .bashrc |
| 06:38.53 | Draconicus | I was editing /XF86Config, instead of XF86Config-4 |
| 06:39.11 | jim | litage: neither... they should be put where your users can alter them |
| 06:39.23 | karsten | !taunt Draconicus |
| 06:39.24 | dpkg | looks at Draconicus's dirty underwear and _squeals_ with glee. |
| 06:39.31 | jim | like /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 06:39.44 | litage | jim: users can override and add their own personal aliases to their ~/.bashrc |
| 06:39.47 | nemo | mdh: *grins* I don't put it past my machine to be flakey... but as I say, I think it's hardware... (vlc crashed X the other day... rmmod crashed the kernel the other day too... |
| 06:39.54 | litage | should $PS1 be set in /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 06:39.57 | karsten | Draconicus: I've *never* done _anything_ vaguely like that.... |
| 06:39.57 | Draconicus | ._. |
| 06:40.05 | karsten | Draconicus: ...and I've never edited a config file on the wrong box. |
| 06:40.15 | karsten | Draconicus: ...or done a "shutdown" on the wrong box.... |
| 06:40.19 | Draconicus | XD |
| 06:40.25 | mdh | nemo: I priced a new machine for myself from techwarehouse today... $5630 |
| 06:40.59 | jim | litage: yep, and should be able to erase the ones you suggest... here's a thought: provide them in the place I recommend, comment them out and tell them they can edit their .bashrc if they want your cool aliases |
| 06:41.02 | hcy | karsten: it's still stuck on "begin scan..." with no more output. is that normal? |
| 06:41.14 | karsten | hcy: NFC. Big drive, right? Could take a while. |
| 06:41.21 | nemo | mdh: meep |
| 06:41.31 | jim | then they can get plain ol unixy unixlike unix |
| 06:41.34 | christianp | karsten, the last thing: i backup a folder in my tape. Now how can i check it was stored into the DAT? How can i restore it? |
| 06:41.38 | jim | that is... |
| 06:41.39 | karsten | hcy: IIUC, it's looking bitwise over the whole disk. Does 'top' or 'iostat' tell you anything? |
| 06:41.39 | Draconicus | Okay, I've got the wrong X or something. There is no /etc/X11/XF86Config* of any kind |
| 06:41.43 | jim | if that's what they want |
| 06:41.46 | deadcat | why isnt mencoder -ovc lavc -oac none file.avi not working? |
| 06:41.49 | karsten | christianp: tar tvf /dev/tape |
| 06:41.52 | Draconicus | li'l help here? |
| 06:42.08 | karsten | christianp: ... you'll need to rewind and/or fsf / bsf to the apporpriate file marker. |
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| 06:42.34 | jim | Draconicus: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:42.42 | karsten | christianp: Tapes mark files so that you can detect them when moving through the tape rapidly. If you create a tape with multiple archives, you need to pick the right one when you restore. |
| 06:42.54 | hcy | karsten: top tells me: 21736 root 18 0 1536 516 1376 R 14.5 0.1 2:14.16 gpart |
| 06:42.58 | karsten | christianp: 'tar xvf /dev/tape' will extract. 'tvf' == test. |
| 06:42.58 | jim | if you get thru all that successfully, it should write the config file |
| 06:43.21 | karsten | hcy: It's thinking about something. 14% CPU. |
| 06:43.26 | karsten | hcy: Let it run for a while. |
| 06:43.30 | mdh | Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2Gb DDR2 ram, 4*160Gb SATA, MSI mobo, Pioneer A109(?) dual-layer DVD burner, nice black case, Matrox G650, 2* 17" 12ms 500:1 TFT |
| 06:43.31 | hcy | karsten: ok thanks |
| 06:43.39 | jim | or "Table of conTenTs" |
| 06:43.42 | karsten | mdh: I'll take one. |
| 06:44.03 | TBBle | That's not a new box, that's a commitment. |
| 06:44.05 | mdh | karsten: I'd take one too, since at $5630 I can't afford it :( |
| 06:44.12 | karsten | Heh. |
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| 06:44.27 | liable | Draconicus: remove all the files you think you have been editing, touch /etc/X11/XFee86Config-4, then md5sum it, then configure. |
| 06:44.48 | jim | yep, and if money's tight, that will get you into one commitment, and out of any commitment with a female you might have :) |
| 06:45.05 | mdh | karsten: this is to replace my dual celeron (the original) 433 |
| 06:45.30 | Draconicus | liable: I told you, there currently is not /etc/X11/XFree86Config-4 or XF86Config-4... |
| 06:45.33 | jim | I'll wait 5 years before buying any box like that |
| 06:45.35 | Draconicus | no* |
| 06:45.46 | liable | Draconicus: make it.... |
| 06:45.56 | mdh | jim: why that long? |
| 06:45.58 | Draconicus | liable: ...oh. |
| 06:46.06 | jim | let the price come down from 5630 to $5.36 |
| 06:46.14 | mdh | jim: I agree on the female thing... she wants a $7k engagement ring ;) |
| 06:46.14 | TBBle | Draconicus: Did you at some point grab X.org? |
| 06:46.36 | liable | Draconicus: touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:46.47 | TBBle | mdh: You could put a small gold band on that $5k63 rock... |
| 06:46.55 | liable | !tell Draconicus about xmd5sum |
| 06:47.21 | deadcat | karsten: fuck it. i am too lazy to debug fucking mencoder. my previous alias doesnt seem to work anymore.. |
| 06:47.21 | liable | Draconicus: do the last command from dpkg after you made it. |
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| 06:47.54 | mdh | I wonder if I can salary-sacrifice an engagement ring? ;) |
| 06:47.55 | Draconicus | liable: Um... I didn't edit the file I'm currently creating. Please wait. |
| 06:48.02 | mdh | I know I can get a laptop and a house... |
| 06:48.12 | jim | mdh: so she wants you AND your money... or just you... or just... |
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| 06:48.17 | liable | Draconicus: its empty, you have to do the md5sum on it. |
| 06:48.20 | mdh | jim: just me ;) |
| 06:48.22 | sep | how can i see the underlaying command of a dpkg factoid in order to learn the usage. spesificaly the currency exchange ? |
| 06:48.53 | karsten | deadcat: WTF is mencoder? |
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| 06:49.06 | doleyb | deadcat: what was your alias, maybe i can debug it |
| 06:49.08 | deadcat | karsten: encode videos |
| 06:49.09 | Draconicus | What port is my VGA monitor in? Should I put /dev/video0? |
| 06:49.09 | jim | karsten: comes with mplayer maybe |
| 06:49.11 | karsten | deadcat: Ah. Movie.. |
| 06:49.15 | Draconicus | err |
| 06:49.15 | karsten | jim: Indeed. |
| 06:49.18 | Draconicus | Wait.. that's cam.. |
| 06:49.22 | deadcat | doleyb: alias mencoder.divx4='mencoder -ovc divx4 -oac mp3lame' |
| 06:49.23 | doleyb | mencoder is the file-output version of mplayer |
| 06:49.27 | mdh | nemo: did you ever meet Luc? He recently bought a Dell Inspiron 700m. v. nice. I never thought a 12" laptop could impress me. I want one ;) |
| 06:49.35 | jim | Draconicus: that scam? |
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| 06:50.08 | TBBle | Draconicus: It's asking you what port your monitor's on??? |
| 06:50.15 | doleyb | deadcat: which part of it fails, the ovc or oac? |
| 06:50.15 | deadcat | doleyb: even when i use -oac copy, it still fales |
| 06:50.19 | Draconicus | jim: What? No... I'm configuring X. I need to know what port a VGA monitor is located in... Bizarre, but it wants to know. |
| 06:50.25 | Draconicus | TBBle: Yes. Odd as it is. |
| 06:50.26 | nemo | mdh: no... don't know him offhand |
| 06:50.28 | deadcat | doleyb: both part i think |
| 06:50.35 | Draconicus | It's the only thing I need to get this working at last. |
| 06:50.41 | TBBle | Draconicus: Uhh. Accept the default? |
| 06:50.50 | Draconicus | TBBle: The default is nothing. |
| 06:50.51 | deadcat | doleyb: give me the options you usually use |
| 06:50.56 | doleyb | odd, i have the latest marillat mencoder, and it works ok (i don't use divx4 though). |
| 06:51.03 | jim | Draconicus: oh, the pci id? if you have one vid card, it will find it |
| 06:51.16 | Draconicus | It's built into the board. I have no idea what it is. |
| 06:51.22 | Draconicus | I tried running X with the feild left blank. |
| 06:51.25 | doleyb | deadcat: i use oac mp3lame and ovc lavc |
| 06:51.28 | Draconicus | "No screens found!" |
| 06:51.36 | jim | Draconicus: lspci? |
| 06:51.40 | deadcat | doleyb: thats what i use. |
| 06:51.42 | doleyb | deadcat: but of course, copy© always work for me, and finish fastest. |
| 06:51.42 | Draconicus | jim: Maybe. |
| 06:51.53 | deadcat | doleyb: ii mplayer-586 1.0-pre7-0.0 The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux |
| 06:52.02 | deadcat | ultimate my fucking ass |
| 06:52.31 | doleyb | deadcat: i wonder if your input source is really the problem, have you tried re-encoding from a file, or only from v4l? |
| 06:52.32 | deadcat | "The Worst Movie Player for All OS" |
| 06:52.49 | deadcat | doleyb: from my s230 cannon camera. |
| 06:53.10 | doleyb | deadcat: note that your complaint isn't about "Player" at all, but Encoder... |
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| 06:53.20 | deadcat | doleyb: (= |
| 06:53.25 | deadcat | player suck too |
| 06:53.32 | jim | the ultimate movie player is one of those things you put 70mm film into, and it shines this kinda bright lite thru it, and it goes on a big square thing, that's in front of seats, and in front of the seats are gum and popcorn boxes... |
| 06:54.10 | mtnman | jim: rectangular? |
| 06:54.21 | jim | oh yeah, could be :) |
| 06:54.35 | jim | I think I was looking at it funny at the time |
| 06:54.41 | mdh | jim: and lined up underneath the big square thing are enough subwoofers to drive a hip-hop fans car without the need for petrol |
| 06:54.46 | caphuso | deadcat: also note that you completely failed to mention how it is failing, thus making you look stupid and everyone else unable to give some actual help |
| 06:54.57 | zophyx_ | cam anyone recommend a good movie to watch ? |
| 06:55.12 | FedX | Hum, I have 1 gig of ram and 30309.75 bytes (roughly 29.6 gig) available to Linux. I think I should do 2048.10 meg swap. I'm wondering how much I should break the remaining 28261.65 bytes up. Would anyone suggest creaing a separate /var partition of say 3 gig or more? |
| 06:55.22 | mtnman | zophy_: freudian slip? |
| 06:55.23 | deadcat | caphuso: should i paste in #flood? |
| 06:55.26 | doleyb | caphuso: he's also on #mplayer, which is more topical (but less people) |
| 06:55.32 | jim | if you have that many subs, you can make people literally sick... I heard of some ozzy show where the subs were too many and too loud... |
| 06:55.37 | zophyx_ | heh, cam |
| 06:55.41 | mdh | zophyx_: Pride and Prejudice. The chicks will fall in love with you if you can talk about it. |
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| 06:55.57 | zophyx_ | wow, i like chicks |
| 06:56.02 | mtnman | jim: ever see the south park episode with the "brown noise" ? |
| 06:56.24 | jim | nope, I never got into southpark |
| 06:56.27 | Tim_ | FedX: is this a server or desktop? |
| 06:56.28 | Draconicus | Huh... I specified the correct location of the video card (PCI:0:1:0) but X still says "no screens found). |
| 06:56.30 | jm_ | heh Mythbusters tested that and the feller wasn't sick at all, but others arround it reported they felt something - maybe it was just psycho effect |
| 06:56.36 | FedX | Tim_: It is a desktop. |
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| 06:56.40 | adapter | r 2peu.ro |
| 06:56.52 | jim | only barely got into beavis n butthead |
| 06:56.57 | jm_ | drac: did you read how you don't have to specify the location for 99% of cases? |
| 06:57.01 | jm_ | Draconicus ^^^^^^ |
| 06:57.18 | Tim_ | FedX: Then there is no real reason for more than one big partition |
| 06:57.26 | jim | this was back in the days when mtv repeated every music video they owned every 5 mins |
| 06:57.27 | deadcat | sshonly.sytes.net/mencoder <-- error |
| 06:57.27 | Draconicus | Yeah... Well, when I leave it blank it says "no screens found" |
| 06:57.33 | FedX | I see. Thanks for your time. |
| 06:57.55 | jm_ | /msg dpkg no screens found |
| 06:58.19 | zophyx_ | i worked with a guy that was always imitating beavis and butthead and that gay teacher from Southpark, and then i realized that he was actually imitating me |
| 06:58.45 | Draconicus | ..Oh. :P |
| 06:58.47 | caphuso | deadcat: your lame options are wrong |
| 06:59.15 | liable | a gosling? |
| 06:59.21 | karsten | hcy: How goes? |
| 06:59.23 | liable | baby goose??? |
| 06:59.30 | karsten | liable: google java gosling. |
| 06:59.37 | zophyx_ | a baby james ? |
| 06:59.44 | deadcat | caphuso: refresh again. options from #mplayer |
| 06:59.46 | jim | taylor? |
| 06:59.49 | karsten | zophyx_: She's dead, Jim. |
| 06:59.56 | liable | karsten: oh.. |
| 07:00.01 | FedX | Would anyone suggest lilo over the win2k boot manager? |
| 07:00.06 | Coke | I will come for Gosling when he's fast asleep. |
| 07:00.09 | jim | hey, that one was red... |
| 07:00.11 | Draconicus | Ah! |
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| 07:00.14 | FedX | For choosing which to boot. |
| 07:00.30 | Coke | FedX: GRUB |
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| 07:00.31 | caphuso | deadcat: still wrong |
| 07:00.32 | hcy | hcy: still nothing |
| 07:00.34 | Draconicus | The driver given can't support a 24-bit color depth. I used a generic VGA monitor, because I have no clue as to what's in this thing. I'll be more specific. |
| 07:00.35 | mdh | FedX: no, I'd choose grub |
| 07:00.42 | hcy | sorry, that was meant for karsten |
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| 07:01.19 | hcy | karsten_: i got impatient and canceled it, and tried using cfdisk and writing a new partition exactly like the old one |
| 07:01.31 | jim | FedX: so long as windows feels the need to overwrite the MBR every time it doesn't match what it thinks should go there |
| 07:01.33 | karsten | FedX: Personally, I'd choose GRUB, but sure. |
| 07:01.37 | Coke | FedX: GRUB is the best boot loader today. It has features like ability to manipulate both the boot loader and filesystems during boot. |
| 07:01.57 | karsten | hcy: OK. Note that if the formatting is identical, you may actually still have your filesystem and data there. |
| 07:02.03 | sep | FedX: grub for sure |
| 07:02.09 | karsten | Coke: It needs bootris. |
| 07:02.10 | Coke | jim: but doesn't Windows only feel that need when being installed? |
| 07:02.17 | jim | not sure |
| 07:02.36 | hcy | karsten: it said writing to disk... but then it complained about it not having a bootable flag. i gave it the bootable flag and wrote that, it exited. but then it still acts as if there's no partition table. when i go back into cfdisk, again it complains that there's no partition table and starts with 0 |
| 07:02.43 | karsten | jim: IME that's only on install. |
| 07:02.51 | jim | I've had it overwrite at other times... maybe it thought it was being installed or something |
| 07:03.01 | Coke | karsten: it does, it does. I think GRUB should have DirectFB support and then some. |
| 07:03.05 | jim | I've had other E :) |
| 07:03.09 | karsten | hcy: Hrm. Try rebooting. Kernel stores the partition table, I think. |
| 07:03.16 | hcy | karsten: oh, ok |
| 07:03.20 | hcy | bbiab then |
| 07:03.24 | karsten | hcy: OK. |
| 07:03.32 | Coke | jim: well, this is why you should stay clear of desktop application runners like Windows. |
| 07:03.38 | caphuso | you can use "sfdisk -R" to let the kernel reread the table |
| 07:03.39 | karsten | Coke: Well, there *is* the bootimg option. |
| 07:03.47 | liable | yay, beer 'o' clock... |
| 07:03.56 | karsten | caphuso: Thanks, but he's already gone ;-) |
| 07:03.57 | jim | sometimes you can't help but play the games |
| 07:04.04 | caphuso | not that cfdisk cares about what the kernel thinks the partition table is |
| 07:04.06 | Coke | karsten: doesn't it require VGA or some VESA mode at best? |
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| 07:04.22 | karsten | Coke: What? |
| 07:04.29 | liable | yay, luchtime :) |
| 07:04.37 | Coke | karsten: using imagery in GRUB |
| 07:04.37 | liable | *lunch |
| 07:04.53 | karsten | Coke: You can load a bmp or xpm image at boot. |
| 07:05.10 | karsten | Coke: Not sure what it needs, but whatever it is, apparently it has it. |
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| 07:05.33 | deadcat | ok. i got mencoder to work thanks to theoddbot in #mencoder, let me encode and put on my webpage. |
| 07:05.51 | jm_ | Coke: GRUB has testvbe command for quite some time now |
| 07:06.15 | karsten | Coke: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/grub-friction-wheel-bodie.xpm.gz is what I use. |
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| 07:07.42 | IDC | hi my debian friends,how are you all :) |
| 07:07.52 | Schiz0 | Hey IDC |
| 07:07.59 | IDC | hi Schiz0 |
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| 07:08.42 | hcy | karsten: still nothing :( |
| 07:09.04 | hcy | karsten: i guess i have to go back to the vendor and exchange it? |
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| 07:09.44 | karsten | hcy: Sounds like a plan. |
| 07:09.47 | jim | hcy: what are you exchanging, out of idle curiousity |
| 07:09.54 | hcy | karsten: :( |
| 07:09.58 | karsten | hcy: See if there's any diagnostic info on the MFR website. |
| 07:10.04 | streuner | !ops BeKo is a onjoin spambot |
| 07:10.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: BeKo is a onjoin spambot |
| 07:10.07 | karsten | jim: Firewire drive. |
| 07:10.14 | hcy | jim: yeah, what he said |
| 07:10.26 | hcy | jim: worked for about half a day, then lost the partition table |
| 07:10.51 | jim | hmm, warranty I hope |
| 07:11.07 | exobyte | so.. I thought the firefox name was pretty lame, but I looked, and between firefox and thunderbird, mozilla is a freakin zoo. Really- you don't know what you're doing IE and OE or Firefox and Thunderbird- which is more professional? |
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| 07:11.19 | hcy | jim: yeah |
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| 07:11.41 | jim | at least you'll get your money back |
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| 07:12.07 | jim | caphuso: that won't keep him from /msging tho |
| 07:12.22 | jim | oh, wait, didn't see the keic |
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| 07:12.25 | jim | kick |
| 07:12.26 | caphuso | jim: i know, but there's nothing i can do about that |
| 07:12.38 | Schiz0 | jim- he can still /msg with a kick :-P |
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| 07:12.39 | rodge | Where do I have to set system wide environment variables? |
| 07:12.42 | hcy | karsten: is it a bad idea to have only one gigantic ext3 partition on a 160G disk? on my other externals i made around 85% ext3 and 15% fat32 |
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| 07:12.51 | jim | I didn't think you did the kick |
| 07:12.59 | karsten | hcy: Shouldn't matter. |
| 07:13.04 | hcy | karsten: ok |
| 07:13.20 | jim | the thing he can't do now is hear people join |
| 07:13.20 | karsten | hcy: You're well within the size limits of ext3. |
| 07:13.21 | TBBle | rodge: That depends on the shell. /etc/profile I think is for bash. Or /etc/bash_profile, or something. |
| 07:13.35 | karsten | hcy: You _could_ try partitioning two smaller partitions though, just for kicks. |
| 07:13.36 | jm_ | rodge: or /etc/environment if you enable appropriate PAM module to handle it |
| 07:13.39 | karsten | hcy: Say 2x 80 GB. |
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| 07:14.21 | pinko | you figure debian (as an entity) is fairly stable, and might still exist in 50 or 100 years? |
| 07:14.29 | jim | and if you do that you can lvm them together |
| 07:14.29 | rodge | TBBle: I am using bash, but 1) /etc/profile is not run for ordinary users, 2) I need the variables to be set independent of a shell |
| 07:14.40 | Guerin | pinko: computing as we know it will no longer exist in 50 or 100 years |
| 07:14.44 | caphuso | rodge: 1) is wrong |
| 07:14.47 | hcy | karsten: ok why not |
| 07:14.50 | TBBle | rodge: Then go with pam and /etc/environment. |
| 07:15.16 | hcy | karsten: i want primary partitions, right? not logical |
| 07:15.19 | TBBle | pinko: And therefore Debian should be up to at lesst 5 or 6. |
| 07:15.21 | jim | rodge: man bash, see section near end called FILES |
| 07:15.42 | pinko | That's kind of a downer, Guerin. What are the factors against it? |
| 07:15.43 | jim | then you will either know the deal or not get anything out of reading :) |
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| 07:15.51 | litage_ | where can i find a [geographical] list of repositories? i've searched debian.org with no luck |
| 07:15.52 | rodge | TBBle: I tried to add something to /etc/environment. What else should I do to get it to work (it didn't work) |
| 07:16.11 | Guerin | pinko: lookk back 50 or 100 years and not the differences. |
| 07:16.12 | s0n1cm0nk3y | is there a way to check to see all that is installed on my computer in a nice easy list |
| 07:16.15 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:16.16 | TBBle | rodge: The pam module jm_ mentioned. |
| 07:16.16 | hairy_potter | apt: hi cutie :) |
| 07:16.16 | apt | Many greetings, cutie :), most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 07:16.17 | Guerin | look, note. |
| 07:16.26 | s0n1cm0nk3y | reason im asking is i couldnt get debian completely up the way i want it, was missing sound |
| 07:16.40 | s0n1cm0nk3y | so im in ubuntu right now, and have sound, so i figured i could figure out my configuration |
| 07:16.45 | s0n1cm0nk3y | then reinstall debian use it |
| 07:16.50 | Guerin | !tell litage_ about mirrors |
| 07:16.54 | pinko | Okay, but I don't note any debians then. My calculations suggest two debians, in 50 to 100 years. |
| 07:16.55 | s0n1cm0nk3y | anyone know how to list all that im using, or what i use for sound and such |
| 07:16.58 | TBBle | pinko: For a start, we're near or at the limits of silicon computing. And look what the silicon chip did for computing. |
| 07:16.59 | litage_ | thanks Guerin |
| 07:17.01 | Guerin | s0n1cm0nk3y: why reinstall? |
| 07:17.14 | s0n1cm0nk3y | because i want debian over ubuntu |
| 07:17.26 | jim | s0n1cm0nk3y: ther's lots of conversations going on here... mind laying off the enter key some? |
| 07:17.30 | s0n1cm0nk3y | i want to create my system not what somebody else created |
| 07:17.40 | Guerin | pinko: you're blinkered. look at the fact that microcomputers weren't even in existence then, and go from there. |
| 07:17.43 | s0n1cm0nk3y | lol sorry, so you do you know how to check it jim/ |
| 07:17.48 | hcy | karsten, jim: i did cfdisk, wrote the partition table to disk, and it still says there's no partition table |
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| 07:17.51 | TBBle | s0n1cm0nk3y: dpkg --show-selections, but that lists Ubuntu packages on Ubuntu, not neccessarily their Debian equivalents. |
| 07:17.58 | hcy | karsten, jim: looks like it's dead |
| 07:18.06 | Guerin | oh, he's using ubuntu? |
| 07:18.17 | jim | hcy: tried rebooting? |
| 07:18.34 | jim | Guerin: maybe to see what modules loaded for sound |
| 07:18.42 | s0n1cm0nk3y | TBBle ah, i dont really care about what the ubuntu packages are, im just wondering about whats needed to get my system running |
| 07:18.43 | Guerin | s0n1cm0nk3y: lsmod |
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| 07:18.58 | Guerin | s0n1cm0nk3y: dpkg --get-selections is irrelevant - sound is a kernel issue |
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| 07:19.10 | pinko | So you're expecting debian to end because it won't be relevant? |
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| 07:19.30 | christianp | sorry, karsten. Another thing: i read all your howto, but i can't find how to restore all the files into a particular folder. Thanks in advance. |
| 07:19.35 | rodge | TBBle: sorry, I have pam installed. Is there something I have to enable in order to get /etc/environment processed |
| 07:19.49 | TBBle | pinko: Hopefully by that point you won't need to write software, the software will understand what you want and do it for you. Like perl6 is supposed to. ^_^ |
| 07:20.02 | TBBle | rodge: I have no idea. jm_ asked about it. I'd go with google at this point. |
| 07:20.10 | TBBle | rodge: Sorry, jm_ "mentioned" it. |
| 07:20.21 | s0n1cm0nk3y | guerin okay, from what i know im using alsa, yet im not sure how to configure it, so i was wondering if lsmod or whatever would show how what exactly was installed for it, so i can get whats needed and not screw it up |
| 07:20.29 | Guerin | pinko: i didn't say I expected debian to not exist - i just said things will be utterly, unrecognisably different in that time. After all, IBM has been around much longer than 50 years. |
| 07:20.54 | rodge | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.59 | Guerin | s0n1cm0nk3y: look at the modules starting with snd-, particularly one which matches your sound card. |
| 07:21.14 | TinoW | TBBle: you mean it understands what you want and does the contrary? ;) |
| 07:21.16 | Guerin | s0n1cm0nk3y: come back in here for help after the install if you can't get it working yourself. |
| 07:21.16 | TBBle | rodge: Did you make it unreadable to ordinary users? |
| 07:21.24 | TBBle | TinoW: That's perl5. |
| 07:21.29 | jm_ | rodge: it's in files but commented out |
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| 07:21.43 | litage_ | might want to update the mirrors msg..dpkg pointed me to http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt which doesn't exist |
| 07:21.45 | rodge | jm_: thanks |
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| 07:22.06 | jm_ | rodge: so cd /etc/pam.d and poke arround |
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| 07:22.30 | s0n1cm0nk3y | guerin i have onboard sound |
| 07:22.49 | streuner | nothing |
| 07:22.55 | TBBle | s0n1cm0nk3y: Did it take a lot of futzing about to get sound working in Ubuntu? |
| 07:22.56 | streuner | odd |
| 07:22.58 | Guerin | s0n1cm0nk3y: then that makes it much easier to figure out what your sound device is. |
| 07:23.01 | litage_ | is there much difference between using ftp or http repos? |
| 07:23.02 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You there? |
| 07:23.08 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what up |
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| 07:23.19 | pinko | Guerin: IBM will change all it needs to make a profit. I'd have expected slightly different behavior from something not so driven by profit... |
| 07:23.21 | Guerin | litage_: depends what you mean. |
| 07:23.30 | TwistedEmotions | Err.. trying to figure this package out.. can you try it out and see what I am doing wrong? |
| 07:23.38 | Guerin | pinko: my crystal ball is on the blink. |
| 07:23.42 | rodge | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.44 | s0n1cm0nk3y | tbble no there wasnt any trouble getting it to work, just the usuall installing of gstreamer for mp3s and such, sound worked from the beginning |
| 07:23.44 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: lapispuzzle.app |
| 07:23.47 | TBBle | pinko: There's not much point to Debian shipping linux software if "software" (or "linux") are no longer relevant. |
| 07:23.48 | pinko | Perhaps *only* slightly. You could be right. |
| 07:23.54 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: .app? |
| 07:23.57 | litage_ | Guerin: are there any advantages in using http repositories rather than ftp, or vice versa? |
| 07:24.05 | TBBle | rodge: In that case, no idea. You could strace bash and see what happens... |
| 07:24.10 | TinoW | bbl |
| 07:24.11 | Guerin | litage_: under normal circumstances, not really. |
| 07:24.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I dont know... first time I have ever seen a .app? |
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| 07:24.25 | hcy | jim, karsten: you'll never believe this. i repartitioned it as two 80G's. didn't recognize it. rebooted again. now it recognized it! and not only that, but i'm even able to mount the first partition and my old data's in there!!! |
| 07:24.26 | JJK | Hello, I'm trying to set up vhosts with apache2, but it only serves 1 site. However, afaik I've all dirs, permissions etc set right and the sites enabled with a2ensite. What is wrong? |
| 07:24.26 | deadcat | ok i got the videos. my up is only 40kps. so who wants to go first? gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/video/demo/drumbstick.trick1662.null.lavc.avi and 1663 |
| 07:24.29 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: have you ever heard of a package that ends in .app? |
| 07:24.32 | glasse | Don't all the GNUstep programs end in .app? |
| 07:24.36 | litage_ | Guerin: what about under 'abnormal' circumstances? |
| 07:24.38 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: file *.app |
| 07:24.42 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: sure, a lot of windowmaker-ish packages |
| 07:24.47 | hcy | karsten, jim: the second partition isn't formatted yet, of course |
| 07:24.58 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Heh? |
| 07:25.03 | Guerin | litage_: depends on the abnormal circumstances. |
| 07:25.09 | tarzeau | glasse: no, only applications |
| 07:25.09 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Oh.. never seen it before. |
| 07:25.12 | litage_ | hahah |
| 07:25.13 | rodge | jm_: I see "pam_env.so" in /etc/pam.d/login. But it is not commented out. So I guess I must look somewhere else. right? |
| 07:25.21 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: you like lapispuzzle.app ? |
| 07:25.23 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: it's a *step thing. |
| 07:25.26 | jim | hcy: that's pretty typical... the partition can't be seen until you reboot |
| 07:25.38 | TBBle | rodge: Are you logging in with 'login'? |
| 07:25.41 | tarzeau | glasse: some prgrams are tools, so they are single binaries without .app |
| 07:25.43 | hcy | jim: no, but last time i rebooted and it still didn't recognize it |
| 07:25.53 | jim | are you loggins with messina? |
| 07:25.53 | glasse | tarzeau: Oh, right. Thanks. |
| 07:25.54 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: trying to install it... if it's anything like puzzlefighter then hell yeah.. |
| 07:25.55 | pinko | TBBle: I can't imagine software going away entirely. Something like software would have to remain, and people will want to pool their efforts together... |
| 07:26.01 | tarzeau | glasse: actually .app files are directories |
| 07:26.11 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: yeah it is :) have fun |
| 07:26.18 | rodge | TBBle: no, just with the default debian X login screen |
| 07:26.35 | TBBle | pinko: If so, then hopefully Debian will still be around. It might be more of a world-wide government, but as long as people have the drive to do things write for little fiscal reward, we'll be here. |
| 07:26.38 | c0_c0Ld_ | hai |
| 07:26.40 | hcy | jim, karsten: i'll run e2fsck on it |
| 07:26.42 | Guerin | pinko: well, of course it'll still EXIST - in the same way as reference models of the earliest computers exist now in museums. |
| 07:26.50 | jm_ | rodge: that means it's enabled - dm will use its own file in /etc/pam.d ... |
| 07:27.04 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: How do you run it? I run /use/games/LapisPuzzle and I get... "/usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Applications/LapisPuzzle.app/LapisPuzzle: relocation error: /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Library/Bundles/libgnustep-back.bundle/./libgnustep-back: undefined symbol: FTC_Manager_Lookup_Size" |
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| 07:27.11 | Guerin | pinko: and if you still happen to have some C20th hardware, you might even be able to run it and marvel at its crudeness. |
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| 07:27.14 | hcy | jim, karsten: is there a size limit on ext3? |
| 07:27.16 | TBBle | rodge: Then you prolly want to look at /etc/pam.d/*dm, or common-login or something that's actually run by whatever xdm you're using. |
| 07:27.28 | Draconicus | AARGh |
| 07:27.29 | RichiH | is there a tool which can show dependencies and _especially_ conflicts as trees? |
| 07:27.39 | Draconicus | WHY IS X CONFIG SO DIFFERENT ON THIS INSTALLATION?! |
| 07:27.41 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: run LapisPuzzle |
| 07:28.07 | tarzeau | Draconicus: you had x 3.3.x before? |
| 07:28.12 | c0_c0Ld_ | hdyteyvgrguhk |
| 07:28.15 | c0_c0Ld_ | byimddr |
| 07:28.16 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: I did.. I get that error... |
| 07:28.22 | TBBle | pinko: I like to think the next 50-100 years will see "software" cease to be something the end user knows or worries about compared to "doing stuff". |
| 07:28.27 | Draconicus | tarzeau: Maybe, but I'll be damned if it wasn't a lot easier to configure. |
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| 07:28.34 | rodge | TBBle: there is no /etc/pam.d/*dm or anything the like |
| 07:28.42 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: oh FTC* that's the libfreetype library |
| 07:28.47 | TBBle | rodge: Hmm. Try the common files then. |
| 07:28.49 | paster | "RichiH" at 84.154.100.184 pasted "an upgrade of perl-base wants to remove half of my gf's linux install, especially the kde stuff" (94 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/303 |
| 07:28.49 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: use the one in sarge. all others don't work (sorry) |
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| 07:29.04 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: will be fixed in a month (with the new gnustep-gui libraries, hopefully) |
| 07:29.13 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: Ahh damn... I run sid.. that's probably the problem.. |
| 07:29.14 | TBBle | I have /etc/pam.d/xdm and /etc/pam.d/wdm on here, and I purged wdm last week. |
| 07:29.18 | RichiH | my problem is the above. an upgrade of perl to current testing would pretty much kill this system |
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| 07:29.22 | jm_ | xdm, gdm and kdm all have it in /etc/pam.d - must be something else |
| 07:29.27 | paines | hi |
| 07:29.28 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: yep get the libfreetype from sarge, dpkg -i it, done |
| 07:29.38 | hcy | jim: karsten: e2fsck says: The filesystem size (according to the superblock) is 40019915 blocks // The physical size of the device is 20010957 blocks // Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt! What do i do to fix that?? |
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| 07:30.07 | Draconicus | What is this crap it keeps giving me about the VGA driver not supporting 16-bit color? This has never happened before! |
| 07:30.09 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: Can I just edit to sources and set them to sarge and install libfreetype again? |
| 07:30.11 | paines | i want to install debian on an amd64 machine, but an 64 bit version. from the wiki i found out to look at http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org, but i cannot find an installer. anyone can help ? |
| 07:30.14 | Draconicus | Sanity.. slipping.. |
| 07:30.19 | Draconicus | O_< |
| 07:30.32 | Guerin | paines: amd64.debian.net |
| 07:31.07 | litage | what's the difference between these 2 packages?: x-window-system, xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:31.13 | hairy_potter | doesn't paines mean 'breads' or something in french? |
| 07:31.21 | jm_ | litage: apt-cache show |
| 07:31.24 | rodge | its gdm |
| 07:31.31 | hcy | jim, karsten: you guys still around? |
| 07:31.53 | hcy | how do i fix the filesystem size in the superblock? |
| 07:32.06 | Guerin | hairy_potter: that'd be paineaux |
| 07:32.11 | Guerin | hairy_potter: duh |
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| 07:32.32 | TBBle | rodge: And you have no /etc/pam.d/gdm? Are you running sarge? |
| 07:32.49 | paines | hairy_potter: don't know. it's just my frontname changes a bit top meet quake lan parties. my name is anes |
| 07:32.55 | rodge | TBBle: no and yes, sarge |
| 07:32.59 | TBBle | hcy: Is that the physical size of the disk, or the partition. |
| 07:33.18 | TBBle | rodge: Well, maybe reinstall gdm, in case /etc/pam.d/gdm's been deleted... |
| 07:33.24 | hcy | TBBle: partition |
| 07:33.27 | pinko | TBBle: that makes sense. I don't doubt that there will be a niche in the future that debian could occupy, but I don't know debian well enough to predict whether it will survive to fill future niches. |
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| 07:33.58 | Draconicus | Well, aside from having 12-bit color or lower, I'm pretty happy. The mouse works. |
| 07:34.14 | paines | Guerin: maybe I a am bilnd. but I don't see an installer iso. there is a mini.iso, but it is only 4.4 mb. i am confused |
| 07:34.15 | TBBle | hcy: It sounds like you've repartitioned, but not re-mk*fs'd, so it's using the old structures from when then partition was the whole disk big. In which case, don't format the second partition, and thing's work OK long enough for you to get your data off and send it back for warranty (if you're still going to do that) |
| 07:34.26 | TwistedEmotions | Awww shit.. I tried to reinstall libfreetype and I just accidentally remove like 120 packages |
| 07:34.28 | streuner | !superblock |
| 07:34.28 | dpkg | The Superblock contains a description of the basic size and shape of the file system. See http://www.science.unitn.it/~fiorella/guidelinux/tlk/node97.html for more info. If yours went missing, use e2sl (http://www.schumann.cx/e2sl/) |
| 07:34.37 | TwistedEmotions | FUCKME... awwwww... |
| 07:34.42 | rodge | TBBle: I am really sorry, I was connected to another machine in the terminal I was examining pam.d. (shame on me) |
| 07:34.54 | paines | Guerin: or does that something have to do with bootstrap debian |
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| 07:35.16 | hcy | TBBle: the disk's still damaged? |
| 07:35.18 | RichiH | Guerin, streuner, tarzeau: any idea if this will be resolved eventually, there is no way around removing and reinstalling or a third option? |
| 07:35.28 | sep | TwistedEmotions: so when it said the following packages will be removed and listed up 120 of them you said yes ? ... |
| 07:35.33 | sep | sorry but that's just funny :) |
| 07:35.34 | TBBle | pinko: Oh, in _that_ case, the answer is yes. The Debian project is a neat collection of people who care about 'getting it right' and as such, there will always be a nice to be filled, and we'll always be there to fill it. |
| 07:35.44 | TBBle | rodge: Hehehe. ^_^ |
| 07:35.51 | TwistedEmotions | sep: I just hit enter ;( |
| 07:35.57 | hcy | TBBle: not some fluke thing, that repartitioning smaller will fix for good? |
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| 07:36.29 | TBBle | hcy: I dunno. If not, then just delete the partition, recreate it at full size, reread the partition table (eg. remove and reinstall the disk or the cfdisk flag someone mentioend earlier) and continue like nothing ever went wrong. |
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| 07:36.32 | Draconicus | There's something weird in my config that isn't letting me use any real color depth with a generic vga driver. What should I do? |
| 07:36.41 | rodge | jm_: ok, I see /etc/pam.d/gdm. Unfortunately pam_env.so is not uncommented as well... |
| 07:36.49 | jm_ | switch to a proper driver for your hardware? |
| 07:36.56 | jm_ | rodge: is it mentioned in it at all? |
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| 07:37.12 | TBBle | I'm not _aware_ of any particular size limitations to partitions, but that's a very poor guide to the existance thereof. |
| 07:37.18 | hcy | TBBle: i don't understand. |
| 07:37.26 | Guerin | paines: i dunno. I thought the installers were there - might better ask in #debian-amd64 - i don't use it myself. |
| 07:37.28 | rodge | jm_: yes it is |
| 07:37.39 | paines | Guerin: okay. thanks anyway. |
| 07:37.42 | liable | an nbns name query is looking for other boxes on the network, yes? |
| 07:37.55 | jm_ | rodge: did you restart GDM since adding things to environment file? |
| 07:37.57 | Guerin | RichiH: well, clearly it'll be fixed eventually - no clues as to when, of course. |
| 07:37.58 | TBBle | hcy: If the disk is damaged/faulty, backup and return it. If it's not, then delete the partition, and recreate it. DON'T mk*fs it or anything, it looks like the fielssytem structures are still in place. |
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| 07:38.08 | rodge | jm_: "auth required pam_env.so" |
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| 07:38.27 | hcy | TBBle: so i delete the partition and recreate it fullsize, and the files should all still be there? |
| 07:38.29 | rodge | jm_: yes, I rebooted |
| 07:38.42 | hcy | TBBle: as long as i don't do any mkfs ? |
| 07:38.44 | TBBle | hcy: Yes, that's the idea. ^_^ After all, it worked the other way. |
| 07:38.54 | hcy | TBBle: right. ok i'll try that |
| 07:39.13 | jm_ | rodge: what's in your enviornment file? |
| 07:39.19 | Draconicus | I need to edit the x config files to allow higher color depth and resolution. Where are these things located? |
| 07:39.32 | sep | Draconicus: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 07:39.46 | jm_ | Draconicus: see above - do you know the name of the file you have to edit? |
| 07:39.55 | Guerin | RichiH: seems not to be a problem in kde |
| 07:39.58 | Guerin | err |
| 07:39.58 | Guerin | in sid |
| 07:39.59 | rodge | jm_: LANG=... LANGUAGE=... and my new JAVA_HOME=... |
| 07:40.09 | pinko | TBBle: that's encouraging! I was just musing that debian is rather large, and whether that might cause it to implode eventually. or fragment, or suddenly stop getting large, or.. something. |
| 07:40.18 | sep | Draconicus: on debian you dont need to edit the files manualy you have tools to do it for you. /msg dpkg drxx |
| 07:40.58 | jm_ | rodge: well I don't use gdm to test it, but it works fine with ssh/rlogin/... |
| 07:41.06 | Draconicus | sep: I don't know why, but this goddamned reconfigure is nothing like the one I used before. It's awful. It doesn't specify the right things, and it doesn't seem to reconfigure X correctly. |
| 07:41.07 | RichiH | Guerin: it traced part of it as far as libwww-perl |
| 07:41.23 | jm_ | Draconicus: /msg dpkg x md5 |
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| 07:41.31 | RichiH | Guerin: but without a tree/graph view of the conflicts, it's tedious work to track them down :/ |
| 07:41.37 | Guerin | RichiH: yeah. |
| 07:41.40 | sep | Draconicus: i'v never had problems, can you be more spesific in what it failes to do ? |
| 07:41.41 | rodge | jm_: it is unbeleaveable. I am struggling with that environment for more than 1 hour now... crazy... |
| 07:42.19 | Draconicus | sep: It doesn't set the "driver" for the vga controller, and thus will not allow any color depth or resolution above the pitiful minimum! |
| 07:42.27 | jm_ | rodge: it should work just fine, but I don't have any machines to test GDM on |
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| 07:42.37 | RichiH | Guerin: problem is, that pitfall has been sitting there for at least a week and i have not heard about this conflict from anyone else... |
| 07:43.07 | Guerin | RichiH: can you remove libwww-perl without breaking everything horribly? |
| 07:43.08 | RichiH | thus, i don't know if the package constellation is common enough so as to alarm the maintainers by itself |
| 07:43.23 | RichiH | Guerin: it would kill a few www related tools of kde |
| 07:43.28 | rodge | jm_: ok, I will restart gdm once again. see ya |
| 07:43.38 | sep | Draconicus: are you saying that when you select a different driver it isnt saved to your config file ? have you edited your config file manualy, and did you read the big warning in the start of that file ? |
| 07:43.46 | RichiH | Guerin: but it would still not enable an upgrade of perl, afaict |
| 07:44.01 | Guerin | RichiH: i wonder if there's a metapackage that's versioned wrong someplace which wants to remove most of kde when you upgrade perl |
| 07:44.07 | RichiH | it's just a tiny bit in this web of pukage |
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| 07:44.17 | Draconicus | sep: NO. I'm saying that it doesn't give an option for a driver! It only offers monitor type, and that doesn't do anything! |
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| 07:44.39 | TwistedEmotions | Is there some trigger where I can get apt-get install to ignore the packages that are "already the newest version" or just to reinstall those? |
| 07:44.46 | RichiH | Guerin: might well be, but as i usually install the kde metapackage, hundreds of people should experience the same |
| 07:44.49 | sep | Draconicus: try dpkg-reconfigulre -plow xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:44.54 | Draconicus | By the way, where is the misc. module init thing? |
| 07:44.56 | sep | without the spelling mistakes |
| 07:44.57 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: why? |
| 07:45.03 | rodge | jm_: yes it is working now. Thank you. I have no idea what the hell was going on before that... |
| 07:45.16 | jm_ | rodge: cool |
| 07:45.19 | Guerin | RichiH: yeah. I have kde-core on my wife's box, and no issues. Sid, though. |
| 07:45.26 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I have a list of all like 100 packages it uninstalled.. trying to reinstall them but some I already installed.. |
| 07:45.31 | RichiH | Guerin: i use sid for my boxen, too |
| 07:45.46 | RichiH | Guerin: but with boxen of gf, parents et al, i prefer testing |
| 07:45.50 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: it'll just install the ones which aren't, then. |
| 07:45.57 | Guerin | RichiH: pretty sane. |
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| 07:46.14 | RichiH | hope so :p |
| 07:46.24 | RichiH | though in this case, i seem to have shot my own foot with it |
| 07:46.34 | Guerin | RichiH: try removing the kde metapackage |
| 07:46.41 | Guerin | RichiH: or replacing it with kde-core |
| 07:46.51 | RichiH | if i had a graph view, i could at least pinpoint the bottleneck and try to find a balance of damage |
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| 07:47.22 | ac3 | hi |
| 07:47.32 | RichiH | Guerin: kde gets removed as soon as you remove any package it depends on (obviously), but it won't hurt you to remove that by itself |
| 07:47.33 | Guerin | RichiH: sounds like a job for Cp'n Perl |
| 07:47.36 | greg72 | hi there, where can I get a list of mirrors for including one in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 07:47.38 | TBBle | pinko: I don't think large things are destined to collapse, personally. |
| 07:47.52 | Draconicus | Please tell me where the module init thingy is before I start smashing things in a fit of sleepy rage. |
| 07:48.00 | RichiH | Guerin: i don't have the time to whip up a script for this, i fear |
| 07:48.07 | Guerin | greg72: apt-setup |
| 07:48.10 | RichiH | Guerin: at least not in the next few days |
| 07:48.17 | Guerin | RichiH: i hear that. |
| 07:48.18 | greg72 | Guerin: thx |
| 07:48.25 | Guerin | RichiH: i have the time, but not the brain |
| 07:48.27 | sep | Draconicus: i dont know what you mean by the misc module init thingy. |
| 07:48.43 | Guerin | RichiH: the dope's got me laid out horizontal-wise |
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| 07:48.49 | ac3 | I made some changes to /etc/init.d/proftpd and now it doesnดt work anymore :) So i deleted the file and hoped reinstalling proftpd would recreate the file, but unfortunately it does not. |
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| 07:49.07 | Draconicus | There's something in /boot or /init... a miscelaneous module list for things that load with system boot, sep. |
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| 07:49.37 | RichiH | Guerin: you ill? |
| 07:49.51 | Guerin | Draconicus: the initrd has nothing to do with X or screen resolution |
| 07:50.03 | Guerin | RichiH: either pneumonia or tuberculosis, i find out tomorrow |
| 07:50.18 | ac3 | I tried "apt-get install proftpd-ldap proftpd-common --reinstall" and apt-get remove --purge and the install again, but apt complains about the missing init script |
| 07:50.25 | RichiH | Guerin: yay |
| 07:50.27 | Draconicus | Guerin: I NEED THE SERMOUSE MODULE LOADED ON BOOT. |
| 07:50.41 | Draconicus | Gyah... sorry... |
| 07:50.43 | Draconicus | I need sleep. |
| 07:50.48 | Guerin | Draconicus: echo 'sermouse' >> /etc/modules |
| 07:50.59 | TBBle | ac3: dpkg-deb -x <pkgfile.deb> <tmporarydir> and get <tmporarydir>/etc/init.d/proftpd? |
| 07:51.04 | Draconicus | Guerin: What?! |
| 07:51.08 | Guerin | Draconicus: echo 'sermouse' >> /etc/modules |
| 07:51.10 | hcy | TBBle: it worked!!! :/ |
| 07:51.17 | TBBle | hcy: Yay! |
| 07:51.25 | hcy | TBBle: i just hope it's here to stay |
| 07:51.28 | hcy | what a weird day |
| 07:51.55 | Draconicus | Guerin: That loads the module on kernel boot? |
| 07:52.13 | Guerin | Draconicus: what do you mean by 'kernel boot'? |
| 07:52.36 | Guerin | Draconicus: it loads the module as part of the boot process, yes. Not immediately upon booting the kernel. |
| 07:53.06 | sep | Draconicus: that command echo 'sermouse' >> /etc/modules adds the line sermouse to the file /etc/modules that is the list of modules to load on boot. adn you need sleep if you dont get that now |
| 07:53.11 | sep | no offence :) |
| 07:53.19 | Draconicus | Guerin: Right... look... I've had very little sleep. I need to get this done. My head is pounding because my brain is totally fried from said sleep deprivation. |
| 07:53.28 | Guerin | Draconicus: sleep. |
| 07:53.34 | Guerin | Draconicus: don't make excuses. |
| 07:53.36 | Draconicus | I'll sleep when I have a resolution. |
| 07:53.50 | TBBle | Draconicus: If you wanted to load the module at kernel-boot time, you'd need to futz around with an initrd. Luckily, that's no what you want. ^_^ |
| 07:53.56 | Guerin | Draconicus: and you'll be annoying and stupid until then. Lucky us! |
| 07:54.08 | sep | Draconicus: jsut sleep first worry about the resolution after |
| 07:54.19 | Draconicus | Erf.. |
| 07:54.30 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: no you can't switch back to stable or testing from sid. but it's fine to only install that one library from stable |
| 07:54.37 | Draconicus | Yeah. Well, sorry about the lack of brain power causing idiocy to spill out of my.. er.. hands. |
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| 07:54.52 | Guerin | there is exactly 0 use for a mouse prior to login - so /etc/modules is the right answer for you. reboot and try it. |
| 07:55.01 | Draconicus | A battery with less than half a charge shouldn't be pushed hard. |
| 07:55.17 | jbmigel | I have dual monitors and would like to be able to bring up 2 different tty's when I alt-ctrl-f* out of X. Is that possible even?? |
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| 07:56.17 | eye69 | jbmigel: Not likely. |
| 07:56.32 | eye69 | jbmigel: Possibly if it's two separate cards. |
| 07:57.05 | Draconicus | There's a line somewhere in an X config file that I once edited to allow higher resolutions than the preset ones. If you tell me where this file is I'll leave you alone. |
| 07:57.12 | jbmigel | eye69 i been reading about framebuffer, but it seems older... I currently running both screens through ati and X handles it nicely |
| 07:57.41 | ac3 | TBBle: thx man |
| 07:57.45 | liable | Draconicus: who knows, you said before you were editing some obscure file for x... |
| 07:57.53 | eye69 | jbmigel: I'd say that it wont be possible. X uses specialised drivers that handle the different card outputs. |
| 07:58.33 | Draconicus | liable: It was a config file. This was a few months ago. |
| 07:59.38 | sep | Draconicus: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 dont let you choose a vga driver ? |
| 07:59.43 | jbmigel | hmmm.. |
| 07:59.44 | Draconicus | No. |
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| 07:59.56 | Draconicus | It was the exact same thing. |
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| 07:59.58 | sep | Draconicus: are you sure you are running debian ? |
| 08:00.20 | Draconicus | sep: No, I'm running BeOS. OF COURSE I'M RUNNING DEBIAN. |
| 08:00.21 | jm_ | I think he needs to do "/msg dpkg x md5", but hasn't done so since I mentioned it about half an hour ago |
| 08:00.35 | sep | Draconicus: i'v never seen that beeing skipped in any way, and the file is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 08:00.51 | Draconicus | jm_: Sorry. At the time three people were telling me to do things. |
| 08:01.01 | jm_ | Draconicus: so you should have done all three |
| 08:01.06 | sep | jm_: but that should only not write the file, should not skip the vga driver selection screen entierly |
| 08:01.24 | liable | Draconicus: ahh, you mean for console? try vga=xxx in grub config. |
| 08:01.29 | jm_ | sep: who knows what happens, we don't have detailed description ;) |
| 08:01.36 | sep | jm_: true. |
| 08:01.50 | Draconicus | liable: What? No! What are you talking about? |
| 08:01.51 | liable | jm_: heh, I mentioned it about 2 hours ago too! :P |
| 08:02.03 | sep | Draconicus: and you'd be suprised of how many are in #debian asking about other wild things we know nothing about |
| 08:02.03 | JJK | Hello, I'm trying to set up vhosts with apache2, but it only serves 1 site. However, afaik I've all dirs, permissions etc set right and the sites enabled with a2ensite. What is wrong? |
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| 08:02.24 | Draconicus | sep: Yeah. I've seen 'em. |
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| 08:03.25 | sep | JJK: you have a typo in your site config then |
| 08:03.47 | Guerin | Draconicus: you lie. |
| 08:04.12 | Draconicus | Guerin: It was an unchecked assumption. Sorry. |
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| 08:04.54 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:05.01 | JJK | sep, with which command can I check my config? Maybe that's faster than checking all by hand |
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| 08:05.26 | JJK | sep, however, apache doesn't complain about anythinh |
| 08:06.59 | sep | JJK: dont know if there is any automatic tool for doing that. |
| 08:07.48 | Draconicus | Guerin: The files match. |
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| 08:08.04 | JJK | sep, okay |
| 08:08.20 | sep | JJK: but you could paste one of your sites configs on the paster, and hope one of the apache knowledgeable in here checks it |
| 08:09.23 | JJK | sep, where can i find the paster? |
| 08:09.26 | Eulex | JJK, #apache may also be worth consulting |
| 08:09.32 | Eulex | !tell JJK about paster |
| 08:09.57 | JJK | Eulex, thank you |
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| 08:10.46 | lsDD | alias scsi_hostadapter2 megaraid2 in modules.conf does not load megaraid2 driver any ideas why |
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| 08:12.05 | paster | "JJK" at 213.134.239.212 pasted "I tried to set up an apache config with virtual hosts, but it isn't working. This is my vhost config." (44 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/304 |
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| 08:13.20 | JJK | sep, I've pasted it as you can see |
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| 08:14.20 | Draconicus | Guerin: The files match. |
| 08:14.41 | sep | JJK: hmm namevirtualhost is allready specified in the default file, are you not using the sites-available and sites-enabled ? |
| 08:14.59 | jm_ | lsDD: megaraid2? isn't that 2.6 thing? |
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| 08:16.01 | Draconicus | Alright. I need to sleep. I'll be back tomorrow when I'm not struggling to keep my head up. |
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| 08:16.25 | bevictor | hello |
| 08:16.36 | tux | hi |
| 08:17.56 | JJK | sep, I am using it |
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| 08:18.38 | JJK | sep, do I need to remove it? |
| 08:19.10 | sep | JJK: well you had 2 vhosts in your paste, that isnt sane if you pasted a site |
| 08:19.22 | sep | or was that the output of 2 site files? |
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| 08:19.47 | JJK | sep, it were two files. I think I've put it in the comments |
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| 08:21.20 | sep | JJK: ah just didnt grap that. but it looks ok to me. have you disabled the default site ? |
| 08:21.26 | Tuttle_ | Hi, say I mount / of server A via NFS on server B, but A has another partition /var. But /var/* is not visible on B. Is it normal? |
| 08:21.27 | Mestapheles | does the sarge installer allow for XFS formatting during the manual partitioning? |
| 08:21.33 | JJK | sep, what do you mean? |
| 08:21.38 | jm_ | Tuttle_: yes |
| 08:21.53 | JJK | and how do i do that? |
| 08:22.08 | Tuttle_ | jm_: So I have to make an extra mountpoint to reach A:/var |
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| 08:22.53 | jm_ | Tuttle_: I haven't used NFS server on Linux for quite a while, but back inthe days user-space NFS server had an option for this, and I think in-kernel NFS server also supports it |
| 08:23.10 | sep | JJK: a2dissite perhaps, but im not a apache expert, so be weary. |
| 08:23.13 | Tuttle_ | Is it possible to reach ext2 extended attributes (lsattr, chattr) via NFS somehow? |
| 08:23.40 | Tuttle_ | jm_: I'll peek for the options, thanks. |
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| 08:24.20 | JJK | sep, a2dissite only shows this sites. I've modified the home.jjkiers.nl file. It originally was the default-file |
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| 08:26.06 | sep | JJK: counts as disabled, i guess you need someone more apache knowledged to help you sorry. |
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| 08:27.04 | JJK | sep, I have to ask it in #apache? |
| 08:28.47 | sep | JJK: are you getting any lines in your customlog files when you try the sites, or are all logs in one of the sites. |
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| 08:29.01 | zophyx_ | Need to get 27.9kB of archives. |
| 08:29.05 | zophyx_ | amazing |
| 08:29.20 | xav | finally, gnome and kde works fine on etch. I did the same install on my laptop and on my desktop. On the desktop, it works fine but on my laptop, I'm still unable to launch kde and gnome |
| 08:29.25 | JJK | sep, All logs are in the home.jjkiers.nl-access/error file. |
| 08:29.56 | JJK | sep, that's the site you can see with both uri's, which is not my intention |
| 08:30.00 | xav | can it be related to the hosts file? |
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| 08:31.57 | jons | hey guys, how can i make a share in samba visible to everyone? |
| 08:32.02 | greg72 | Setting up xfree86-common (4.3.0.dfsg.1-14) ... |
| 08:32.02 | greg72 | /var/lib/dpkg/info/xfree86-common.postinst: line 799: update-rc.d: command not found |
| 08:32.02 | greg72 | dpkg: error processing xfree86-common (--configure): |
| 08:32.02 | greg72 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:32.13 | passi | hi there, how can i get the kernelsources of the 2.6.8.12 kernel for ppc installed on debian, i just switched from gentoo and dont know what the package is called |
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| 08:32.45 | JJK | passi: with apt-cache search kernel you can find the package names |
| 08:32.48 | paivakil | passi: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 08:33.27 | passi | thanks. found it |
| 08:33.34 | JJK | passi, paivakil is right. |
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| 08:34.53 | passi | how can i get my keyboard to run in X? i have a powerbook 15 inch alu. i can type but i cant type any 'ats' |
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| 08:40.22 | ac3 | What is the default place under debian to store certificates? /etc/ssl? |
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| 08:44.03 | paivakil | ac3: /etc/ssl/certs/ |
| 08:44.12 | jons | hey guys, i can't get a share to work, i have [dir], path=/path public = yes writable = yes create mode = 0666 write list = @user but i get access denied, even though it has the same conf as the tmp which i can access |
| 08:44.16 | jons | erm with samba that is |
| 08:45.09 | fatal__ | maybe the permission on /path is preventing samba from accessing it. |
| 08:45.15 | jons | they are 777 |
| 08:45.21 | JJK | passi, I've no experience with ppc. Maybe you can have a look in the xfreee86 documentation: http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/ |
| 08:45.40 | passi | already got it. i will just change the keymaps |
| 08:46.35 | JJK | passi, okay. It took me some time to find the right version of the docs |
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| 08:46.54 | WesleY | I actually installing rh 7.2 in my new dell server i dont actually wan to use rh7.2 but one of my software requires me using 7.2 so I have no choice When i put in the disc to boot, nothong really happen it jus stuck there it didnt boot but my dell was like reading the disc |
| 08:46.58 | WesleY | anyone can help? |
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| 08:47.59 | _root_ | a non-root user on my machine is not able to start x.. problem with pam..could anybody please tell me what are the pam entries ? |
| 08:47.59 | JJK | WesleY, if you mean with rh Red Hat, I think you can better switch to #redhat |
| 08:48.03 | sep | weasel: probably #redhad might help you, but it's the ususal, md5 the cd. try it in another comp. |
| 08:48.20 | Eulex | WesleY, "one of your softwares require you to use rh"? btw, you mean you're having problems with the debian cd? |
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| 08:48.49 | WesleY | u mean the disc has problem? |
| 08:48.51 | WesleY | hrmz |
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| 08:49.02 | WesleY | i check it thankz |
| 08:49.23 | JJK | WesleY, it that case I think it's better to burn a new CD |
| 08:49.43 | WesleY | I not really sure if the disc |
| 08:49.54 | WesleY | i rather worry abt 7.2 not working welll with my dell |
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| 08:50.20 | WesleY | i actually using sc1425 |
| 08:50.28 | JJK | WesleY, have you tested that software on another version/distrubution? |
| 08:50.33 | WesleY | nope |
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| 08:50.39 | WesleY | problem is i have only one sv left |
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| 08:50.45 | WesleY | no more other machine i have |
| 08:50.51 | fatal__ | WesleY: Red Hat Linux 7.2 is really old.... I don't think you can expect it to work on modern hardware. |
| 08:51.09 | Guerin | add a custom kernel, bob will be your uncle |
| 08:51.26 | Guerin | of course |
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| 08:51.41 | WesleY | anyway to do that? i not too good with linux actually |
| 08:51.46 | JJK | fatal__, maybe. It can be that his hardware is too new for rh7.2. I've had such problems too |
| 08:51.52 | Guerin | the best option would be to not use some piece of proprietary shiteware which only works with redhat 7.2 |
| 08:52.05 | Guerin | WesleY: ask #redhat |
| 08:52.13 | JJK | I told |
| 08:52.16 | WesleY | redhat is dead |
| 08:52.22 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 08:52.22 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 08:52.27 | tarzeau | !they don't know |
| 08:52.31 | JJK | WesleY, ask in #linux then. |
| 08:52.32 | Guerin | pwned |
| 08:52.34 | JJK | of in #kernel |
| 08:52.46 | streuner | argh, C&C is a wonderful game :-) |
| 08:52.55 | Guerin | streuner: command and conquer? |
| 08:52.59 | streuner | yep |
| 08:53.07 | Guerin | man, that's a blast from the past |
| 08:53.30 | streuner | there are newer ones |
| 08:53.40 | cmihai | WesleY: just wondering, what software is that ? |
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| 08:53.43 | Guerin | oh... generals or something |
| 08:53.44 | WesleY | voip |
| 08:53.51 | kchoi_ | streuner, realy? |
| 08:53.56 | streuner | Guerin: Zero Hour |
| 08:54.01 | Guerin | streuner: oh, ok. |
| 08:54.11 | kchoi_ | new c&c. hm... |
| 08:54.13 | Guerin | i remember dune2 being the shit, on my amiga, back in the early 1990s |
| 08:54.23 | cmihai | WesleY: well, try running it in QEmu... |
| 08:54.52 | caphuso | dune2 and its stupid 128 units per map limitation |
| 08:54.56 | streuner | Guerin: heh, Lionheart and Pushover, i would love it if they are in Linux |
| 08:55.06 | werdnaxoc | what is the /dev for the soundcard? |
| 08:55.13 | cmihai | Lionheart ? You mean that crappy AD&D ? |
| 08:55.20 | streuner | werdnaxoc: depends what soundsystem you use |
| 08:55.32 | JJK | WesleY, there are many software programs for VoIP. |
| 08:55.34 | Guerin | werdnaxoc: dsp is usual. |
| 08:55.36 | werdnaxoc | streuner, alsa |
| 08:55.37 | liable | hmm, how can I get my linux box to respond to a workgroup name query from a win box? (even though it broadcasts it as well) (this is samba of course) |
| 08:55.39 | streuner | cmihai: on A500 nohting is crappy! ;-) |
| 08:55.51 | WesleY | cmihai how does qemu works actull |
| 08:56.06 | cmihai | WesleY: just like vmware, only slower, but free. |
| 08:56.06 | kchoi_ | liable, use samba. |
| 08:56.15 | Guerin | caphuso: heh, i don't recall running into thart |
| 08:56.28 | fatal__ | liable: nmbd is the daemon handling the "Browsing" stuff. |
| 08:57.01 | cmihai | WesleY: so you can run Debian or whatever (any modern os) for your regular stuff, and for your software, you can trun redhat 7.2 in qemu. |
| 08:57.06 | werdnaxoc | Guerin, is there a way to check to make sure it is dev/dsp? |
| 08:57.14 | liable | kchoi_: yes I am. |
| 08:57.16 | WesleY | cmihai oic |
| 08:57.23 | WesleY | but it work slowe? |
| 08:57.25 | WesleY | slower* |
| 08:57.29 | cmihai | Sure. |
| 08:57.34 | cmihai | What do you expect? |
| 08:57.37 | WesleY | how slow? |
| 08:57.44 | cmihai | Not that slow. |
| 08:57.47 | cmihai | Fast enought. |
| 08:57.54 | WesleY | let say now i am using a dual xeon 2.8 3 gb ram |
| 08:57.59 | cmihai | ... |
| 08:58.00 | kchoi_ | liable, and edit /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 08:58.02 | cmihai | You won't care. |
| 08:58.06 | Guerin | !wayttd werdnaxoc |
| 08:58.07 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, werdnaxoc? |
| 08:58.12 | WesleY | ic alright den |
| 08:58.13 | kchoi_ | edit this line, |
| 08:58.14 | cmihai | WesleY: won't even feel a difference. |
| 08:58.15 | streuner | werdnaxoc: nothing is easier to configure ALSA in debian |
| 08:58.19 | kchoi_ | workgroup = your workgroup |
| 08:58.21 | WesleY | cmihai ok thank alot |
| 08:58.45 | streuner | werdnaxoc: all you need is a official 2.6.x kernel and run 'alsaconf', done. |
| 08:59.00 | Eulex | well, most of the time at least |
| 08:59.27 | liable | kchoi_: I can browse the sambe shares thankyou, I just cant get the stupid win box to see it in "computers near me", I can see the win box making a workgroup name query and I want my box to reply, cause the win box comes back with workgroup inaccesable. |
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| 09:00.06 | cmihai | WesleY: there's some kernel patches for qemu that make it run a lot faster... google for that also...there's tuts and such also. |
| 09:00.14 | Eulex | kchoi_, I've never gotten that to work even between two windows computers |
| 09:00.42 | wam | is reiserfs v3 with quota2 on lvm2 ready for production in the official 2.6.8-kernel from sarge? |
| 09:00.42 | Eulex | WesleY, it's called kqemu and will speed up qemu 5x |
| 09:00.55 | Eulex | oh, sorry kchoi_, should have been for liable |
| 09:00.57 | streuner | !filesystems |
| 09:00.58 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
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| 09:02.04 | wam | streuner: thanks |
| 09:02.05 | liable | kchoi_: yes I have the workgroup set, I can find the computer, but just not in 'computers near me', I can see the computer asking in ethereal, but my box doesnt reply, even though I can browse the shares on it. |
| 09:02.08 | tralala | wam: define ready for production |
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| 09:02.21 | RichiH | xfs huge? |
| 09:02.36 | RichiH | peterS: bah, why do you call xfs huge` |
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| 09:02.53 | faber2 | apt-get allows me no install an older version than the latest. apt-cache show shows me two version of a package. how do i install the older version? <packagename>=<versionumber>. using the versionnumber apt-cache show shows, it does not work. any ideas? |
| 09:02.54 | jethro | !irritate tralala |
| 09:02.54 | dpkg | tralala: Y iz debain so old? how can I make my kanotix werkz ????? |
| 09:02.59 | liable | Eulex: I used to have it working, but alsa, I cannot to get to work on this box.. |
| 09:03.04 | tsudo | viewing a file in less: paging forward is okay, but paging backward is messed up slow, and redraws the first line repeatedly before finally rendering properly... what's up with that and how to fix? |
| 09:03.04 | tralala | jethro: :) |
| 09:03.12 | passi | is there any way to get the powerbook with 3d acceleration or even 2d acceleration? when lots of output go through my xconsole the cpus is at 100% because of the output |
| 09:03.47 | wam | tralala: is it stable for using it on a server? |
| 09:03.53 | liable | god, why does the samba channel even exist? |
| 09:03.59 | WesleY | erm cmihai there? |
| 09:04.00 | wam | tralala: are there good repair-tools? |
| 09:04.04 | tarzeau | passi: if lots of output go through it, do you need to see it at all? |
| 09:04.16 | passi | yes. |
| 09:04.19 | wam | tralala: is on-line backup possible? |
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| 09:04.36 | tralala | wam: rumors say it is not as stable as ext3 |
| 09:04.36 | WesleY | does qemu support rh7.2? |
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| 09:04.59 | cmihai | WesleY: It should. |
| 09:05.05 | cmihai | That doesn't mean it does. |
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| 09:05.09 | faber2 | ah, my problem is: apt-get cannot resolve the dependencies properly if i want to install an older package. what can i do? |
| 09:05.20 | tarzeau | faber2: sarge ? |
| 09:05.24 | cmihai | WesleY: are you sure you need rh 7.2 ? |
| 09:05.26 | Eulex | WesleY, rather, your question should be, "is rh7.2 new enough to run qemu?", and I dunno about that |
| 09:05.38 | WesleY | cmihai yeap |
| 09:05.39 | cmihai | It could probably run on rh 9.0 also you know... |
| 09:05.39 | transgress | is there anyway to make gnome scroll with the mouse wheel? |
| 09:05.43 | cmihai | Tried that ? |
| 09:05.45 | WesleY | i not too sure abt his produect |
| 09:05.49 | WesleY | i mean software |
| 09:05.57 | cmihai | Well, don't belive all you read :) |
| 09:06.00 | WesleY | but my partner keep telling me he only need 7.2 |
| 09:06.01 | transgress | seems like in 2.10 i could get it to scroll if my mouse was over the pager |
| 09:06.08 | faber2 | tarzeau: testing |
| 09:06.08 | tralala | wam: however it saves space. repair-tools are not needed afaik. there is fsck.reiserfs however but I read somewhere that it is equal to mkfs.reiserfs |
| 09:06.13 | lsDD | alias scsi_hostadapter2 megaraid2 in modules.conf does not load megaraid2 driver any ideas why |
| 09:06.18 | liable | bah, I can even see my box anouncing what fucking workgroup its on :( |
| 09:06.21 | tarzeau | faber2: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 09:06.36 | cmihai | WesleY: well, can't hurt to try, now can it ? |
| 09:06.46 | faber2 | tarzeau: that is weird. i only have "testing" in my sources.list and apt-cache show shows two version of a package? why? |
| 09:06.48 | WesleY | hrmz |
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| 09:06.55 | tralala | wam: on-line backup? like tar cf /path/to/my_backup.tar -C /? |
| 09:07.05 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 09:07.06 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
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| 09:07.10 | cmihai | Either learn to use KQEmu or download a trial version of vmware, and install rh 7.2, rh 9.0, etc. Won't take more then a few hours to try it on all. |
| 09:07.18 | tarzeau | faber2: why don't you use stable if you have no clue? |
| 09:07.24 | wam | tralala: more like dd /dev/partition |
| 09:07.42 | jons | erm cries, i can't get samba to share a directory so everyone can access it, it just keeps saying permission denied |
| 09:07.54 | tarzeau | jons: why not simply use NFS? |
| 09:07.59 | tralala | wam: since it is a journaling fs it sould be ok |
| 09:08.08 | jons | because samba is already on there, and i dont know nfs |
| 09:08.39 | tarzeau | jons: nfs is like /etc/exports and a line like /var/www 192.168.0.*(rw,no_root_squash) |
| 09:08.44 | lsDD | alias scsi_hostadapter2 megaraid2 in modules.conf does not load megaraid2 driver any ideas why |
| 09:08.46 | sep | jons: if your sharing between linuxes use nfs, samba is a pain compared. |
| 09:09.01 | jons | it's not i'm trying to share so i can access it via windows |
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| 09:09.10 | tarzeau | jons: so you have a windows problem? |
| 09:09.15 | jm_ | lsDD: I have asked you a question an hour ago |
| 09:09.21 | faber2 | tarzeau: because i needed stuff from testing. but if you have a clue, may be you know why it shows 2 versions? |
| 09:09.26 | jons | well no i can access the /tmp directory on teh share on the linux box |
| 09:09.35 | tarzeau | faber2: your /etc/apt/sources.list put it online somewhere |
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| 09:09.37 | jons | but i see the directory i hjave shared, just when i try to go into it it says permission denied |
| 09:09.39 | sep | jons: what are your authorative authentication on your net ? |
| 09:09.52 | tarzeau | jons: well what permission is it on your linux? |
| 09:10.00 | lsDD | jm: I was away can you please repeat it |
| 09:10.01 | jons | well i have given it 777 |
| 09:10.05 | Cope | what's wring with: find . -type f -exec rm {} ; |
| 09:10.21 | tarzeau | Cope: the ; is not escaped |
| 09:10.24 | Cope | I'm getting a 'missing argument to -exec' |
| 09:10.27 | Cope | tarzeau: ah ok |
| 09:10.33 | tarzeau | Cope: yes you do it wrong |
| 09:10.34 | jm_ | lsDD: why are you asking then going away? megaraid2? isn't that 2.6 thing? |
| 09:10.46 | faber2 | tarzeau: mmhhh... i did "apt-get update" and now i only have the latest version |
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| 09:11.25 | lsDD | jm: i am using 2.4.xx kernel |
| 09:11.43 | faber2 | tarzeau: i think i will add "stable" to the sources, do an update and see what happens. but so far thx for your help offered |
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| 09:12.29 | jm_ | lsDD: right, I see it now - don't edit modules.conf, use /etc/modutils and man update-modules |
| 09:12.31 | tralala | Cope: you have to escape the characters that bash (or whatever else) is trying to interpret |
| 09:12.39 | lsDD | jm: I can see that megaaid2 module in my kernel |
| 09:12.57 | lsDD | ok |
| 09:13.16 | jm_ | lsDD: and make sure it's actually looking for scsi_hostadapter2, or just use modules file (man modules) |
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| 09:13.53 | lsDD | jm: how do i do that |
| 09:13.58 | jm_ | lsDD: do what? |
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| 09:14.24 | lsDD | jm_: 'make sure it's actually looking for scsi_hostadapter2' |
| 09:14.58 | Cope | tralala: yep, just needed \; - thanks :-) |
| 09:16.32 | jm_ | lsDD: well why did ask specifically for it then? |
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| 09:17.14 | tsudo | not find . -type f -exec rm \{} \; ? |
| 09:17.38 | lsDD | jm_: the actual line read 'alias scsi_hostadapter2 megaraid' I changed it to alias scsi_hostadapter2 megaraid2 |
| 09:17.53 | tralala | I use -exec cmd '{}' \; |
| 09:18.01 | tsudo | that's cool too |
| 09:18.12 | jm_ | lsDD: no, I mean where did you find scsi_hostadapter2 ? |
| 09:18.15 | tsudo | you could quote the semicolon as well |
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| 09:19.02 | tralala | but it's one keystroke more - I have to take care for my keyboard! ;P |
| 09:19.11 | tsudo | definitely |
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| 09:20.44 | tsudo | you could also be more efficient with -exec <cmd> \{} + (works like xargs) |
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| 09:25.21 | war- | Are there any services like [policyd] in Debian? I want to use many RBL's/etc but I want to use it on a weighted system, not reject e-mail if 1 RBL says an IP is spam, are/is anything like this included in Etch or will I have to install policyd from src? |
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| 09:26.18 | tralala | war-: apt-cache search |
| 09:26.29 | tralala | or pdo |
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| 09:27.41 | sanxiyn | !oracle |
| 09:27.46 | sanxiyn | Hm, nothing? |
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| 09:28.11 | tralala | sanxiyn: listkeys oracle, listvalues oracle |
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| 09:30.51 | jons | there has to be a way to get this f****** samba to work |
| 09:30.58 | transgress | okay i'm trying to setup mutt, and trying to get it so i can send mail directly from my box... anyone have a good howto? |
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| 09:31.13 | lsDD | jm_: i found it on modules.cnf so i asumed that it might work if chnaged to scsi_hostadapter2 megaraid2 |
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| 09:32.16 | coll | isn't iproute2 part of sarge? |
| 09:33.01 | coll | which iproute or which iproute2 returns nothing. an 'aptitude search iproute' returns i iproute - Professional tools to control the networking in Linux kernels. is this the 2nd version of iproute? how can i check which i have installed? |
| 09:33.35 | sanxiyn | coll: apt-cache show iproute |
| 09:33.49 | jm_ | lsDD: the easiest thing would be to just add it to modules file I suppose |
| 09:33.52 | TBBle | coll: Yes, the package iproute contains the tool distributed in the iproute2 tarball, called 'ip' |
| 09:33.52 | sanxiyn | coll: And you will understand. |
| 09:33.53 | idnar | coll: yes, that's iproute2 |
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| 09:35.41 | coll | i see, thanks guys |
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| 09:39.09 | josemaria | hola |
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| 09:39.31 | possie | whats the name of the term, that makes sure that tekst always gets a certain length? just like man pages? it gets fixed by auto doing a lot of spaces between words? |
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| 09:39.51 | josemaria | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.53 | TBBle | possie: You mean 'justified'? |
| 09:40.14 | joris | I have a kernel source tree to wich I want to apply a kernel patch from a kernel-patch package, but the patch claims compatibility with my version 2.6.11.3, 'tough 2.6.11 is supported |
| 09:40.18 | josemaria | d,df.-ds<d-.dgssd.sdgsd,.gwe๑glwaet๑lwatqwet๑wketwet๑lwetwet๑lwetwaet๑lwetwet๑lwetwetwletkwet๑lkwetwa๑etl |
| 09:40.22 | joris | any idea on how to force the patch process? |
| 09:40.47 | josemaria | rujdssdkjbdswadkjbgkwjbweg,wbegwekhgwaegkwlajehgweglkwhegwaekjhwegwaegkwjahgewaegkwjaehgawegkwajewaekhwage |
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| 09:40.56 | possie | TBBle: yeah i think i do :-) |
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| 09:41.17 | TBBle | josemaria: If that's language, I don't recognise it. |
| 09:41.23 | TBBle | Ah, good. |
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| 09:41.27 | goat | hey noob question but i need help on how to set root password after a clean install of kubuntu please |
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| 09:41.48 | TBBle | goat: You're prolly better off asking in #Ubuntu. (Or #kubuntu?) |
| 09:42.02 | sanxiyn | goat: #kubuntu |
| 09:42.06 | goat | k ill head there but not very active right now... |
| 09:42.11 | tralala | and don't tell us that they don't know |
| 09:42.24 | TBBle | goat: You could try installing Debian. Then we'll know the answer. ^_^ |
| 09:42.32 | goat | i did try |
| 09:42.34 | goat | it got pwnt |
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| 09:42.47 | sanxiyn | goat: sudo passwd |
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| 09:43.03 | goat | i think i just had a messed up iso image but whatever i went kubuntu |
| 09:43.06 | tralala | there is a securing debian howto - read it, install again |
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| 09:44.28 | goat | nobody answering in kubuntu really right now.... |
| 09:44.38 | TBBle | goat: pwnt? |
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| 09:44.57 | goat | i jsut figured i could get help here cause they both had like the same installation process |
| 09:45.00 | tralala | TBBle: as h4x0riz3d |
| 09:45.08 | dondelelcaro | goat: that's great. We suport Debian, not Kubuntu |
| 09:45.21 | goat | fine |
| 09:45.25 | Raf256 | voting in 20 minutes (over patents in EU) - http://wm.streampower.be/ep-video1_or <-- live ASF |
| 09:45.30 | sanxiyn | goat: I think I answered already? |
| 09:45.31 | goat | is there a general linux channel that will be populated tonight? |
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| 09:45.44 | tralala | goat: #linux, #linuxhelp |
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| 09:45.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | goat people answered about the password |
| 09:46.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | in Kubuntu as well :O |
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| 09:46.57 | TBBle | Wow. What'd you install that got you hacked into right after installation? Sounds like you selected 'Windows XP' in tasksel or something. |
| 09:47.25 | tralala | hehe :) |
| 09:47.31 | Gnea | heh |
| 09:47.52 | Gnea | what, is this bash-on-knoppix hour? |
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| 09:49.23 | lemmy | hi |
| 09:49.24 | liable | hmm, seems I cant get samba to respond to an anonymous login, just to show the shares. |
| 09:49.25 | Ronin | sides goat its not debians fault you got owned that quickly now is it |
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| 09:49.44 | TBBle | Gnea: Not for another few minutes by my clock. We're still on Ubuntu's punchcard. |
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| 09:50.06 | arturaz | hey. i thought sareg was meant to be bug-free? |
| 09:50.22 | TBBle | arturaz: Hehehehe. |
| 09:50.24 | liable | sarge too |
| 09:50.26 | goat | Ronin: a little birdie jsut flew in my window and told me your ugly |
| 09:50.30 | maxxle | How can I disable the gnome-keyring? Always when I start a application with gksu the gnome-keyring wants to save my password |
| 09:50.41 | sanxiyn | arturaz: Heh, bug-free? That doesn't happen... |
| 09:50.43 | tralala | atrus: isn't it? |
| 09:50.45 | goat | *just *you're |
| 09:51.07 | TBBle | I'd argue that it should be possible (and reasonably easy) to install Debian that's unhackable remotely. Of course, once you start installing daemons, you're only as safe as the most recent DSA. |
| 09:51.16 | Ronin | goat: tsk tsk, resorting to insults? whats the matter i get too close to the truth? |
| 09:51.31 | sanxiyn | If stable were bug-free, security team wouldn't have anything to do. |
| 09:52.09 | tralala | goat: ugly is not as bad as a stupid moron... |
| 09:52.12 | goat | Ronin: na i jsut hate flamers |
| 09:52.26 | arturaz | sanxiyn, at least critical/grave bug-free :) |
| 09:52.43 | Gnea | goat: ugly ones get laid the most |
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| 09:53.04 | Gnea | well, sometimes |
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| 09:53.27 | joa | Hello, im trying to reinstall lilo, anyone know an easy procedure |
| 09:53.35 | Ronin | stupid ones just die off eventually |
| 09:53.39 | Gnea | joa: type lilo |
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| 09:53.47 | TBBle | arturaz: Sarge is free of release-critical bugs, as they were known at release-time. |
| 09:53.50 | joa | like can I boot the system with another system .. like live cd and reinstall it on my disk |
| 09:53.52 | TBBle | I think. |
| 09:53.52 | tralala | or get pwnt :))) |
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| 09:54.08 | Gnea | joa: of course |
| 09:54.19 | joa | Gnea: okay, how to do that then? |
| 09:54.30 | Gnea | joa: got your cd ready? |
| 09:54.30 | joa | Gnea: just typing lilo in fx mandrakelive? |
| 09:54.39 | Gnea | no... |
| 09:54.45 | Gnea | you have too boot it right first |
| 09:54.51 | Gnea | to* |
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| 09:54.58 | TBBle | joa: Boot off your Debian install, first time you see the menu, hit Alt-F2, mount your root partition on /target and your /boot partition on /target/boot (if you have a seperate /boot) and chroot /target and lilo. |
| 09:54.59 | joa | Gnea: so I guess I cant set lilo up from another system |
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| 09:55.29 | TBBle | joa: Something similar for live CDs, but I've never tried it. Also, upgrade to grub. ^_^ |
| 09:55.30 | Gnea | joa: i have no patience for pretentious idiots who are illiterate. |
| 09:55.31 | joa | TBBle: yes |
| 09:55.36 | Garp | Question: Is there a recomended method to downgrade from Unstable to Testing ? I looked a bit around but didnt yet found a clear recipe... Thanks. |
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| 09:55.51 | joa | Gnea: thanks, I do not either |
| 09:55.59 | Gnea | joa: then answer my question. |
| 09:55.59 | sep | !downgrade |
| 09:56.00 | dpkg | somebody said downgrade was not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 09:56.11 | sanxiyn | TBBle: Hm. Rumor is that d-i will include "rescue" mode soon. |
| 09:56.23 | petemc | it already does |
| 09:56.25 | TBBle | Yay! I missed rescue mode from b-f. |
| 09:56.27 | joa | TBBle: ill try that .. |
| 09:56.30 | Garp | sep: tks :) |
| 09:56.50 | Gnea | TBBle: that was just plain wrong. |
| 09:56.54 | TBBle | petemc: It didn't in Sarge, though, right? I'm sure I checked when I installed it. |
| 09:56.57 | Garp | sep: the article in debian plant show a method that everybody feel unsafe and hairy :( |
| 09:57.01 | Gnea | he could've done a linux root=/dev/hda1 |
| 09:57.08 | Gnea | but |
| 09:57.11 | Gnea | that's funny too |
| 09:57.23 | sanxiyn | TBBle: Yes, rescue mode didn't make it into sarge. Perhaps dev trunk already has it. |
| 09:57.29 | petemc | TBBle: it does, in that you can boot from the cd and get a shell, its not a "rescue mode" per se |
| 09:57.39 | TBBle | Gnea: He could have done, but that would have required speculation about his root device that I didn't want to get in to. |
| 09:57.40 | petemc | but its usablr |
| 09:57.42 | petemc | s/r/e |
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| 09:58.07 | Gnea | TBBle: he'll be back... |
| 09:58.36 | sep | Garp: downgrade is backup user data, reinstall , restore userdata save easy and secure |
| 09:58.39 | TBBle | Gnea: Possibly. |
| 09:59.03 | Garp | sep: " Debian Reference Section 6.2.7" seems not to exists (goes from 6.2.6 to 6.3) |
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| 09:59.26 | TBBle | petemc: Yeah. That's what I described. I'm now trying to think exactly what you _gain_ from 'rescue' being on the boot loader menu... @_@ |
| 09:59.36 | sep | Garp: i didnt write the factiod |
| 09:59.48 | petemc | TBBle: its a form of hand holding |
| 09:59.58 | Garp | sep: user data are likely not much as risk as the software install doesnt touch them. It's more a problem of cconfiguration, I think. |
| 10:00.08 | Garp | sep: OK |
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| 10:00.30 | ircdevil | software patents in eu - yes or no? |
| 10:00.53 | Garp | ircdevil: looks like NO for now :) |
| 10:01.09 | Garp | ircdevil: I was at the EP this morning and yesterday |
| 10:01.11 | TBBle | Garp: Unless the user data is one of the libdb versions that got upgraded during the process. |
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| 10:01.50 | Garp | TBBle: well the worse always append... :( Right, one have to take care of everything... |
| 10:02.17 | TBBle | Garp: I'm sorry, I couldn't parse that. |
| 10:02.58 | Garp | TBBle: doesnt matter, it hadnt much informative content anyway. |
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| 10:03.33 | ircdevil | Garp: the voting is over, yes? |
| 10:04.25 | Garp | ircdevil: I dont know 5i'm not here right now) but it should be done very soon. |
| 10:05.02 | Garp | (if not already done) |
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| 10:06.03 | Garp | ircdevil: the balance is between a simple reject of the proposition (leaving fear and uncertainities) and the vote of the 21 ammendements that would clearely ban software patents |
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| 10:06.39 | Garp | both would be good news for us, but of course the second would be nicer |
| 10:06.47 | ircdevil | wheres a stinger when you need one ... |
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| 10:07.23 | ircdevil | Garp: sure thing |
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| 10:08.18 | Raf256 | all - lets watch voting on patents - mplayer http://wm.streampower.be/ep-video1_en on the console |
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| 10:09.12 | Shadur | Here's praying. |
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| 10:10.03 | llama32 | anyone know if anyone's tried doing an X server in asm? |
| 10:10.26 | caphuso | llama32: nobody would be that stupid |
| 10:10.51 | llama32 | caphuso: that is a denial of my existance... |
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| 10:11.21 | Gnea | Raf256: what a riot |
| 10:11.33 | Raf256 | Gnea: huh? "riot"? |
| 10:11.44 | caphuso | llama32: this is 2005. CPUs have become way too complex for anyone to write complete non-trivial programs in assembler |
| 10:11.47 | TBBle | Oooh, audio only. Which is actually a good thing, except when they speak things other than English. |
| 10:11.47 | Gnea | heh |
| 10:11.59 | Shadur | TBBle: Actually, there is video |
| 10:12.00 | Garp | llama32: when you'll be half way that will be time for you to change your '32' to a '64' and restart from scrath on a new assembly language... Good luck. There are a few useless things to do in life ;) |
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| 10:12.10 | TBBle | Shadur: I haven't got the codecs installed on my Windows box. ^_^ |
| 10:12.12 | Gnea | TBBle: you must not have the codec then, works fine here |
| 10:12.19 | n3x_ | has anyone had a problem "Must be connected to a terminal" when using screen inside a chroot |
| 10:12.30 | Gnea | Selected video codec: [wmv9dmo] vfm:dmo (Windows Media Video 9 DMO) |
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| 10:12.40 | christianp | re |
| 10:12.52 | Gnea | TBBle: yeah, it's just a bunch of ass-kissing right now |
| 10:12.55 | TBBle | I uninstalled everything I could to free up space to upgrade to Linux. But I haven't replaced Outlook or GTA:San Andreas yet. |
| 10:12.56 | Garp | they stream in english ? ! |
| 10:13.08 | Gnea | they're translating in realtime |
| 10:13.18 | Garp | oupลs I mean: |
| 10:13.23 | christianp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.32 | Garp | they stream that with a proprietary codec ? |
| 10:13.32 | Shadur | christianp: It's in ./ |
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| 10:14.08 | midnightparadox | why is non-us no more |
| 10:14.21 | RichiH | midnightparadox: no more export limitations |
| 10:14.28 | caphuso | midnightparadox: because it finally rotted away. took look enough |
| 10:14.28 | midnightparadox | ok |
| 10:14.29 | Shadur | Hm, this isn't about the patents yet - it's about the african situation. |
| 10:14.30 | christianp | Shadur, no there isn't |
| 10:14.40 | Shadur | christianp: Then what am I looking at? |
| 10:14.43 | Gnea | midnightparadox: because it does not resolve |
| 10:15.05 | RichiH | for those who are interested in the software patent vote of the eu parliament, mplayer http://wm.streampower.be/ep-video1_en (or _de, _fr, _it, you name it) |
| 10:15.06 | Gnea | Shadur: what country is this in anyway? |
| 10:15.07 | TBBle | christianp: It's whereever you were when you ran the command (unless you added parameters you didn't tell us, or it failed during the download) |
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| 10:15.44 | christianp | Shadowcat, TBBle ah, now i find it. Thanks |
| 10:16.37 | Gnea | Raf256: where did you find this at? |
| 10:17.01 | Raf256 | Gnea: link to LIVE? at FFII.org mailoinglist |
| 10:17.41 | TBBle | Someone say when they get on to the patents. |
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| 10:17.59 | strk | I'm having problems with libqt (libqt3c102-mt) |
| 10:18.21 | strk | segfaults... and the like.. |
| 10:18.23 | strk | is it a known problem ? |
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| 10:18.40 | tralala | strk: /msg dpkg bts |
| 10:18.55 | Gnea | wtf |
| 10:19.13 | Raf256 | LOOOOOOL |
| 10:19.14 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 10:19.17 | Raf256 | see the voting |
| 10:19.19 | Raf256 | its hoilarios |
| 10:19.20 | Raf256 | 1 |
| 10:19.21 | Raf256 | :)))) |
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| 10:19.30 | caphuso | enough of that voting stuff now |
| 10:19.31 | Gnea | she's all trying to wave a flag in that guy's face |
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| 10:19.37 | tralala | it's a shitty wmv... and I don't have win32 codecs |
| 10:19.43 | Shadur | what the fuck is going on? |
| 10:19.44 | caphuso | this still isn't #politics |
| 10:19.49 | Gnea | tralala: so get them |
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| 10:20.25 | tralala | no, fuck them as well as the EU parliament that doesn't know better |
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| 10:21.27 | Gnea | okay, enough. |
| 10:21.55 | Gnea | Raf256: thank you for bringing this to our attention, keep anything more of it private please |
| 10:22.27 | Raf256 | Gnea: ok |
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| 10:25.45 | keith | Woody. How do I get an alias to be permanent. When i log off, the alias goes also. |
| 10:25.54 | jm_ | what alias? |
| 10:26.08 | Eulex | ooo, they've even got that patent movie in swedish |
| 10:27.13 | js_ | keith: put it in ~/.bash_profile |
| 10:27.18 | caphuso | ~/.bashrc |
| 10:27.18 | apt | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells (e.g. xterm). To make sure it's read by a login shell (e.g. console or sshd), put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
| 10:27.26 | keith | jm_. As in longlist='ls -al' |
| 10:27.31 | jm_ | keith: ahh see above |
| 10:27.45 | caphuso | that's a weird alias |
| 10:27.52 | Gnea | hrm |
| 10:27.54 | RichiH | the software patents in the eu are rejected with 648 votes by the eu parliament |
| 10:27.55 | Wille88_ | libtasn1-2-dev: Depends: libtasn1-2 (= 0.2.10-3) but 0.2.10-4 is to be installed |
| 10:28.03 | Wille88_ | i'm running sarge |
| 10:28.26 | midnightparadox | when is the vote |
| 10:28.38 | midnightparadox | there are still debates |
| 10:28.45 | tralala | keith: you already have an alias ll in your .bashrc that you only need to uncomment |
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| 10:28.55 | Gnea | midnightparadox: keep it private |
| 10:29.00 | keith | caphuso. just an example. |
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| 10:29.48 | n1k0 | Hi! I just swicthed ubuntu to debian sarge... I think it must be pure debian :D |
| 10:29.55 | midnightparadox | Gnea:where can i get really good info about what this vote includes? |
| 10:29.59 | n1k0 | How usable testing is? |
| 10:30.05 | caphuso | n1k0: no. it's ubuntu with a broken /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:30.38 | tralala | n1k0: it's extremely usable for some purposes and absolutely useless for others |
| 10:30.52 | n1k0 | caphuso: testing or debian itself? |
| 10:31.03 | caphuso | n1k0: your system |
| 10:31.18 | n1k0 | tralala: for generic home use? music, videos, image editing programming etc.. |
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| 10:31.40 | tralala | n1k0: it is simply great for that |
| 10:31.48 | GNUbi3 | do we have security maintainers in debian yet ? |
| 10:32.02 | n1k0 | tralala: ok, thanks =) I will upgrade |
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| 10:33.00 | tralala | n1k0: but since testing is so close to stable now the same goes for stable |
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| 10:33.37 | n1k0 | In my opinion debian is much better than ubuntu. I think ubuntu is just riding with debian...if there no debian there no ubuntu |
| 10:33.58 | n1k0 | tralala: ok great =) |
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| 10:34.23 | n1k0 | damn I have bad english :D |
| 10:34.28 | tralala | n1k0: better has different definitions depending on the needs |
| 10:34.41 | sh4dowcat | when modifying the partition table on the root drive |
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| 10:34.59 | sh4dowcat | is there a way to make the kernel see the updated partition table without rebooting? |
| 10:35.06 | caphuso | sh4dowcat: sfdisk -R |
| 10:35.11 | n1k0 | tralala: that's true =) |
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| 10:36.11 | sh4dowcat | caphuso: hmm and what if it gives device busy? |
| 10:36.17 | caphuso | sh4dowcat: then you need to reboot |
| 10:36.18 | midnightparadox | so which software is now free to use after the vote |
| 10:36.20 | InitMass | anyone working with clusters here? |
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| 10:36.25 | caphuso | midnightparadox: off topic |
| 10:36.28 | sh4dowcat | bah |
| 10:37.05 | midnightparadox | caphuso, can you give me a detailed link about topic then |
| 10:37.11 | caphuso | midnightparadox: google |
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| 10:41.00 | christel | midnightparadox: rejected, 648 of 793 votes |
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| 10:41.34 | midnightparadox | i know but i am asking which software is now free |
| 10:41.51 | midnightparadox | can the packages in Nerim repository be added to official repo. then |
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| 10:42.11 | caphuso | midnightparadox: no, of course not |
| 10:42.46 | midnightparadox | caphuso, whats bothering about them |
| 10:42.58 | caphuso | midnightparadox: you don't have any idea what's going there, do you? |
| 10:43.04 | jm_ | you see, Debian is not used only in Europe |
| 10:43.15 | midnightparadox | aha ok |
| 10:43.25 | midnightparadox | sorry about that foolish question |
| 10:43.27 | caphuso | and now take it OFF THE CHANNEL |
| 10:43.34 | caphuso | understood? |
| 10:43.38 | midnightparadox | ok sorry |
| 10:44.26 | kadigibox | caphuso, a little harsh? |
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| 10:45.09 | TBBle | Not really, he'd been told several times, and has even joined #politics, but keeps coming back here. |
| 10:45.19 | caphuso | kadigibox: no, a little harsh would have been if i kicked him instead of giving him two warnings |
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| 10:53.46 | liable | I vote that freenode shuts the #samba channel, cause its fucking useless... |
| 10:54.25 | spiorf | why tor users are banned? |
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| 10:56.19 | sh4dowcat | hm |
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| 10:56.32 | liable | spiorf: wtf are you on about? |
| 10:56.33 | sh4dowcat | how much space does dpkg's database occupy? |
| 10:56.46 | sh4dowcat | I'm trying to figure out how much space to partition for my infobot |
| 10:56.59 | oxff|2 | any packagers available? |
| 10:57.01 | Gnea | sh4dowcat: i'd give it half a gig |
| 10:57.03 | jm_ | download it and find out |
| 10:57.17 | sh4dowcat | Gnea: hmm so 5gb would be overkill then |
| 10:57.31 | liable | sh4dowcat: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 10:57.32 | Gnea | sh4dowcat: if you can afford it, go for it |
| 10:57.55 | sh4dowcat | thanks liable |
| 10:57.58 | liable | sh4dowcat: give you an idea how big.. |
| 10:58.14 | sh4dowcat | heh 4.6 mb |
| 10:58.19 | sh4dowcat | that's just the factoids |
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| 10:58.25 | sh4dowcat | my empty database takes up more space than that |
| 10:58.26 | TBBle | oxff|2: You're prolly better off asking your question, and seeing if anyone answers |
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| 10:59.01 | oxff|2 | TBBle, I don't have a question, but I want my software packaged for debian (there is already a gentoo ebuild) |
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| 10:59.21 | Gnea | sh4dowcat: and that's compressed |
| 10:59.23 | n3x_ | would anyone know how to make a simple shell script that can send credentials to a web form then get data from a page |
| 10:59.39 | RichiH | spiorf: too much abuse |
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| 10:59.52 | Gnea | sh4dowcat: closer to 15 megs |
| 10:59.59 | TBBle | oxff|2: Ah. You want to research "Request for packaging" and "WNPP" and "Bug tracking system" |
| 11:00.26 | sh4dowcat | hmm yeah saw that |
| 11:00.32 | sh4dowcat | 14 megs worth of factoids |
| 11:00.36 | sh4dowcat | so 1gb should be plenty |
| 11:00.41 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:01.35 | liable | who can help me debug an annoying samba problem? |
| 11:01.50 | sh4dowcat | one thing I don't get though |
| 11:01.51 | liable | ...or who can be bothered. |
| 11:02.03 | sh4dowcat | is that the package information system on my blootbot isn't working |
| 11:02.07 | oxff|2 | TBBle, I |
| 11:02.09 | oxff|2 | argh |
| 11:02.31 | oxff|2 | TBBle, I'm not using debian but some debian user asked for it and i think generally it's a good idea |
| 11:02.33 | jm_ | you need to configure it in config file, and then dpkg goes and downloads it from Debian mirrors |
| 11:02.41 | oxff|2 | TBBle, any hints in form of urls? |
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| 11:02.56 | TBBle | liable: Best to prhase the actual question you have, as a question, and put that here. |
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| 11:03.18 | TBBle | oxff|2: http://www.debian.org/. I'm pretty sure there's an entry there somewhere for "How do I get my program into debian?" |
| 11:03.25 | liable | TBBle: its a fucking long problem.. |
| 11:03.33 | tralala | oxff|2: the simple answer is - package it yourself or forget about it |
| 11:03.44 | nvz | I wonder if anyone else's garbage can is overflowing, of if its just me :P |
| 11:03.54 | liable | TBBle: but for you, I will.. |
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| 11:04.28 | sh4dowcat | jm_: which config file? |
| 11:04.40 | jm_ | sh4dowcat: blootbot's obviously |
| 11:04.44 | TBBle | liable: Give us the gist, maybe? More detail than "samba" and expletives. |
| 11:04.58 | oxff|2 | tralala, that is a totally idiotic approach |
| 11:05.08 | oxff|2 | gentoo users are much more helpful... |
| 11:05.09 | liable | TBBle: give me a sec, I was typing. |
| 11:05.19 | TBBle | liable: Sorry. ^_^ |
| 11:05.26 | sh4dowcat | jm_: don't see a section for it in there |
| 11:06.25 | jm_ | sh4dowcat: ahh it's hardcoded, to ftp.us.debian.org |
| 11:06.30 | TBBle | oxff|2: If you're lucky, a Debian developer (or advanced user) will be a user, and willing to package it. Although there's a fair chance if such a person exists, that person would have done so by now. |
| 11:06.35 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 11:06.37 | sh4dowcat | figures |
| 11:06.41 | fooz | samba and expletives sounds like plenty of detail to me |
| 11:06.41 | sh4dowcat | now I gotta learn perl |
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| 11:07.05 | tralala | oxff|2: debian has way too much packages that nobody uses, nobody maintains and nobody cares about, why adding one more? |
| 11:07.08 | TBBle | fooz: It describes _most_ samba problems I've seen. ^_^ |
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| 11:07.12 | sep | oxff|2: as the developer of the software you stand the best change of easily maintain the package, keeping it secure and knowing how to best integrate it. |
| 11:07.18 | tarzeau | tralala: HUH? |
| 11:07.33 | tarzeau | tralala: which package is not used by anybody? |
| 11:07.48 | oxff|2 | sep, developing the software further is my main goal, not caring how to integrate in three or more different distros |
| 11:07.49 | nvz | sh4dowcat: learning perl is like potty training or something.. everyone learns it eventually, or has people wiping their ass their who life |
| 11:07.49 | tarzeau | tralala: certainly debian doesn't have packages available that have no maintainer |
| 11:08.03 | jharrison | tarzeau: howdy |
| 11:08.09 | sh4dowcat | nvz: windows users don't :P |
| 11:08.10 | oxff|2 | sep: mwcollect has a fairly big user base, network security engineers from all over the world use it |
| 11:08.11 | jm_ | sh4dowcat: I also remember I had to enable forking |
| 11:08.27 | sep | oxff|2: you cabn file a request for package on bugs.debian.org, but dont hold your breath, if your software is sufficiently interesting someone might pick it up |
| 11:08.29 | tralala | tarzeau: s/nobody/almost nobody/, the point still stands |
| 11:08.35 | tarzeau | jharrison: i'd like better weather |
| 11:08.39 | nvz | sh4dowcat: no, they learn Visual Basic .NET (or C# .NET) and think they are the shit |
| 11:08.46 | liable | ok, I have samba shares on my box, which I can access with smbclient -L linux --user foo, but not with just smbclient -L linux. With the win box, if I search for my box by name, its found, and then I can log in and access the shares. But I cant see it in 'computers near me' I get a NT_LOGIN_FAILURE in ethereal, when I try and access the computer, and a 'workgroup cannot be found'... |
| 11:08.48 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 11:08.51 | jharrison | tarzeau: what is the weather like? |
| 11:08.52 | Coke | My groff says I have no HTML device when I try -Thtml. The manual page says groff should provide it, is it missing (bug) in Debian or is the manual page just being silly? |
| 11:09.02 | tarzeau | tralala: no debian software pakcages have a maintainer or not. not almost not |
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| 11:09.08 | tarzeau | jharrison: rainy, cold |
| 11:09.10 | oxff|2 | ok, thx sep |
| 11:09.11 | liable | TBBle: ^^ |
| 11:09.18 | ricky_clarkson | Linux ricky 2.6.5-1-686 #5 Fri Apr 30 20:26:13 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:09.23 | jharrison | tarzeau: sunny and warm here as usual |
| 11:09.24 | tralala | tarzeau: I was speaking for the users, not the maintainers |
| 11:09.27 | tarzeau | tralala: you can check the maintainer of each package, and mail the people |
| 11:09.29 | ricky_clarkson | Do I have a kernel capable of realtime pre-emption there? |
| 11:09.43 | tarzeau | tralala: there's very few packages that are not installed at all, see popularity contest |
| 11:10.09 | sep | tarzeau: but unfortunatly too many without a maintainer. |
| 11:10.12 | TBBle | liable: So, your anonymous acess doesn't work? I assume you've set it to security=user, and guest user=nobody? |
| 11:10.20 | tarzeau | sep: WHICH? no this is simply not true |
| 11:10.26 | tralala | tarzeau: all I know is there are quite a lot of packages that the maintainers want to get rid of maintaining |
| 11:10.28 | tarzeau | sep: debian has NO packages without a maintainer |
| 11:10.29 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: yes, 2.6 has it |
| 11:10.43 | tarzeau | tralala: that's completely a different thing, yes |
| 11:10.49 | sep | tarzeau http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned |
| 11:10.52 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: Ok. |
| 11:11.28 | tarzeau | sep: that's only a temporary thing , and well, anyene can pick it up, if nobody wants it, no need to keep it |
| 11:11.37 | nvz | This is probably the first time I ever ate vegetable soup for breakfast |
| 11:11.38 | liable | TBBle: have a gork here.. http://channels.debian.net/paste/305 |
| 11:11.38 | tarzeau | and that's not many at all |
| 11:11.38 | tralala | tarzeau: not really completely different, quite related actually |
| 11:11.41 | sep | tarzeau: that is true |
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| 11:12.57 | tarzeau | sep, tralala ok interesting: http://popcon.debian.org/main/by_inst |
| 11:13.10 | TBBle | liable: To paraphrase, "so, your anonymous acess doesn't work. You've set it to security=user, abut not guest user=nobody?" |
| 11:13.14 | nvz | also probably the most vegetables I ever ate in one sitting |
| 11:13.24 | tarzeau | 300 or so packages not installed by people that use popularity contest pkg |
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| 11:13.32 | TRipletta | Hello! |
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| 11:13.55 | TRipletta | Is there an italian channel about debian? |
| 11:13.58 | tarzeau | !it |
| 11:13.58 | dpkg | from memory, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 11:14.00 | TBBle | liable: Oops. It's "guest account" not "guest user". My bad. But the solution sticks. |
| 11:14.01 | nvz | TRipletta: #debian-it |
| 11:14.12 | tralala | anyway my point was that adding a package in debian is (and should be) more do it yourself thing - one shouldn't ask someone else to do it for him/her and anyway the chances are that if there is real interest in the program and no legal issues, it is already packaged |
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| 11:14.27 | nvz | dpkg, babelfish en it TRipletta: hello |
| 11:14.27 | TRipletta | nvz: thanks |
| 11:14.30 | dpkg | tripletta: ciao |
| 11:14.30 | DJGummikuh | heeelp :-( |
| 11:14.34 | TRipletta | Bye! |
| 11:14.39 | DJGummikuh | is here anybody that can help me with my initrd? |
| 11:14.41 | nvz | ciao |
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| 11:14.58 | DJGummikuh | somehow it's only mounted read-only during boot what then crashes the whole booting procedure (can't write mtab and stuff |
| 11:14.59 | tralala | !tell DJGummikuh -about ask |
| 11:14.59 | DJGummikuh | ) |
| 11:15.07 | nvz | its like hawiian or something.. same word means hello and goodbye? |
| 11:15.16 | edbarrett | does anyone know where I can get some help with recovering lvm volume groups? |
| 11:15.21 | jharrison | I dont like initrd |
| 11:15.22 | TBBle | _I_ would suggest that getting a package into Debian, as the developer, involves getting a debian/ directory working in your upstream, so a Debian-using user sees it, and takes it as motivation to learn Debian pacaking, maintain the directory, and eventually maybe get it into Debian proper. |
| 11:15.30 | liable | TBBle: I dont want guest access, I just want to be able to see the shares (well, the win box) and then if I want to access them, then need password. |
| 11:15.47 | sep | tarzeau: hmm i think i have to add the popularity package, 'm using the lessdisk-terminal |
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| 11:16.17 | DJGummikuh | tralala just let me ask... |
| 11:16.56 | liable | TBBle: the win box is called reef, why cant it see the shares then ask for password when try to access |
| 11:17.05 | RichiH | can anyone tell me what "clonebots are not allowed on freenode" would be in spanish? |
| 11:17.06 | TBBle | liable: Well, Network Neighbourhood and smbclient without --user uses anonymous access. So youy have to chose. |
| 11:17.12 | tarzeau | sep: cool. i'll hopefully also add popularity-contest on about 150 more computers |
| 11:17.14 | RichiH | !es |
| 11:17.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:17.41 | liable | TBBle: even though the box is an allowed user? |
| 11:17.45 | DJGummikuh | so is here anybody that knows about initrd and wants to at least try and help me to get mine running? |
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| 11:17.55 | caphuso | RichiH: try "/msg dpkg babelfish en es clonebots are not allowed on freenode" ;-) |
| 11:18.14 | tarzeau | !initrd |
| 11:18.14 | dpkg | initrd is, like, initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 11:18.15 | RichiH | caphuso: dpkg can babel? |
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| 11:18.20 | caphuso | RichiH: yes |
| 11:18.21 | tarzeau | DJGummikuh: that's all we know about it |
| 11:18.24 | caojun | hello |
| 11:18.29 | sep | DJGummikuh: i dont think you can do much to your initrd that couses it to be read only, after all you make it with a script. are you sure it's not your bootloader that's doing odd things ? |
| 11:18.31 | Guerin | DJGummikuh: build your kernel with make-kpkg --initrd |
| 11:18.44 | spowers | is it possible to make aptitude show "how" a particular package is available? |
| 11:18.46 | TBBle | liable: Network Neighbourhood works _anonymously_. So does smbclient if you don't give it a user, presumably. |
| 11:18.53 | Guerin | spowers: what do you mean, how? |
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| 11:19.08 | spowers | like, for some reason i have a particular package in my available list |
| 11:19.15 | RichiH | caphuso: neat |
| 11:19.16 | spowers | i would like to know which apt source spawned it |
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| 11:19.33 | caphuso | spowers: apt-cache policy foo |
| 11:19.35 | Guerin | spowers: apt-cache policy |
| 11:19.38 | spowers | thank you! :D |
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| 11:19.56 | spowers | well |
| 11:20.06 | spowers | that shows installed/candidate versions |
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| 11:20.43 | Guerin | spowers: yes, and where each candidate version comes from. |
| 11:20.45 | spowers | sep: it helps to have RTC set up on the host system and connected |
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| 11:20.55 | jm_ | you can disable time sync with the host |
| 11:21.14 | spowers | Guerin: it's not quite doing that for me, do i need to set anything up to do that? |
| 11:21.18 | sep | jm_: i'm actualy trying to enable that |
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| 11:21.37 | jm_ | sep: I edited the config file by hand on our ESX server |
| 11:21.57 | Guerin | spowers: nope, that's what it shows for each version. What does it list as the source? |
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| 11:22.21 | sep | jm_: that's what i did also, but it's still slowing 15 minutes during an hour |
| 11:22.35 | spowers | Guerin: oh, i understand why it's not showing the source.. it was installed by dpkg -i |
| 11:22.41 | toresbe | sep: :) |
| 11:22.47 | sep | jm_ and i'v tried clock pit and clock pmtmr, and iv tried ntpd it allways slows |
| 11:22.50 | spowers | so it only shows /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 11:22.50 | sep | toresbe:) |
| 11:22.50 | toresbe | sep: Sitting here at debconf :) |
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| 11:23.05 | toresbe | sep: Are you coming? If so, bring the nord-100, mmkay? |
| 11:23.06 | sep | toresbe: finland ? |
| 11:23.17 | toresbe | sepyep |
| 11:23.23 | jm_ | sep: we're runnign ntpd on host system, seems to work fine |
| 11:23.23 | sep | toresbe: i think my boss whould lunch me if i left now :P |
| 11:23.33 | toresbe | sep: you mean "lynch"? :P |
| 11:23.34 | sep | jm_: and with disabled http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/nett/article1075263.ece |
| 11:23.39 | sep | grmbles |
| 11:23.53 | sep | jm_ disabled host sync ? and what clock in grub ? |
| 11:23.58 | sep | 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
| 11:24.01 | toresbe | sep: to lunch usually carries the meaning of "bying someone lunch" so him lunching you would be good :P |
| 11:24.04 | spowers | so, another question, how can i completely remove something from my dpkg database? i want it more gone than purged |
| 11:24.04 | Guerin | spowers: right. |
| 11:24.10 | jm_ | although I did notice it failing the other day and had to run ntpdate |
| 11:24.13 | TBBle | Or possibly 'eating for lunch', which is less good |
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| 11:24.17 | jm_ | sep: I run Windows on it :) |
| 11:24.29 | sep | jm_: no this is sarge on esx |
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| 11:24.32 | Guerin | spowers: not much more you can do. |
| 11:24.47 | Guerin | spowers: you can edit the status file if you're insane, but it's not worth it. |
| 11:25.00 | sep | jm_ and i can 'see' the clock slowing, 15 mins in an houer is maad |
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| 11:25.25 | sep | i have tried every combo of time trickery iv found on vmware's knowledgebase |
| 11:25.32 | jm_ | sep: many people reported this with 2.6 I think |
| 11:25.39 | liable | TBBle: well, if I search for my box, I find it, then if I try and access it, I have to supply a password. I have also had the computers near me thing working in the past, but i'm stuffed if I can remember what I did. |
| 11:25.52 | sep | jm_ exceptr the recompile the kernel, becouse i dant want that |
| 11:26.26 | TBBle | liable: That's easy. You _enable anonymouse access_. |
| 11:26.33 | sep | jm_ stopping ntpd and running ntpdate every minute might do it but a horrible overhead tho |
| 11:26.35 | TBBle | liable: _or_ you join a domain. |
| 11:26.47 | TBBle | liable: _or_ set up a WINS server and get everything to use it. |
| 11:27.02 | TBBle | liable: But I'm assuming you've already rejected those other ones by now? |
| 11:27.06 | jm_ | sep: hmm I see that our server also doesn't keep time in synch |
| 11:27.32 | sep | jm_ the esx itself is ntpd synced nicely, but the guests are way off |
| 11:27.50 | sep | i hoped the hostsync would force the sarge into sync with the esx but that's not happening |
| 11:28.09 | spowers | any of you esx users think Xen could replace esx in production? |
| 11:28.14 | jm_ | hmm I synched it now, will see what happens in a few days |
| 11:28.31 | Guerin | RichiH: got your perl woes sorted? |
| 11:28.31 | sep | spowers: if it didnt require a kernel compile i'd be using that now |
| 11:28.32 | spowers | i was jaw-droppingly impressed by the xen demo cd |
| 11:28.55 | spowers | i guess really only if you're not running windows as a guest |
| 11:28.55 | sep | spowers: so when it's in a kernel-image i'm there i think |
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| 11:28.59 | liable | TBBle: hmm, two boxes, no wins server, I did have a domain added, let me recheck the win box, cause the fucker at some stage had changed the workgroup back to the default without me knowing. |
| 11:29.01 | jm_ | spowers: would it run Windows smoothly? |
| 11:29.04 | RichiH | Guerin: no, i am hangling my way through telling spanish botrunners not to use freenode |
| 11:29.07 | spowers | it _could_ |
| 11:29.09 | spowers | but it won't |
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| 11:29.14 | spowers | xen is special |
| 11:29.16 | jm_ | well there you have my answer ;) |
| 11:29.18 | RichiH | they don't speak english, i don't speak spanish |
| 11:29.19 | spowers | it requires the OS to be ported |
| 11:29.19 | Guerin | RichiH: yay! |
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| 11:29.21 | RichiH | joy! |
| 11:29.31 | sep | spowers: ofcouse, but i never use windows for anything beyond entertainment (games) |
| 11:29.31 | Guerin | RichiH: recruit helix. |
| 11:29.37 | spowers | esx is a good way to run windows for servers though |
| 11:29.56 | spowers | another good way to run windows for servers is violently, with a shotgun |
| 11:29.57 | spowers | er |
| 11:30.00 | spowers | that made no sense |
| 11:30.01 | jm_ | I have a Linux workstation, but sometimes I need some shit on Windows, that's where ESX comes into play |
| 11:30.04 | spowers | but you understand the sentiment |
| 11:30.04 | egg | Is windows alive? |
| 11:30.07 | sep | esx is _not_ a good way to run anything that requires the server to know what month it is :( |
| 11:30.14 | spowers | hahah |
| 11:30.22 | TBBle | liable: Well, the easiest solution if you've a DHCP server is to enable WINs in one of the samba servers, and use DHCP to distribute it to the others. |
| 11:30.26 | spowers | i guess i haven't really done much esx stuff |
| 11:30.27 | egg | Was it history? |
| 11:30.29 | spowers | i've done gsx |
| 11:30.30 | spowers | it was okay |
| 11:30.32 | liable | TBBle: no dhcp. |
| 11:30.33 | sep | jm_ umm esx for a windows workstation ? isnt that a bit overkill :)) |
| 11:30.38 | RichiH | Guerin: i have a personal translator atm, but he seems to be missing |
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| 11:30.57 | TBBle | liable: Then enable a guest user and lock them out of all the shares. |
| 11:31.09 | spowers | esx is just gsx on top of redhat basically isn't it? |
| 11:31.12 | jm_ | sep: no, my XP is guest on ESX |
| 11:31.15 | spowers | seems sort of unfair |
| 11:31.16 | jm_ | yes, RH 7.2 |
| 11:31.36 | Guerin | RichiH: i think finland is a popular destination right now. |
| 11:31.39 | spowers | i guess it's just a pre-optimized no hassle gsx |
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| 11:32.13 | sep | siigh i guess i just have to undoo and my tweaks and see how well 2.4 handles on the esx |
| 11:32.17 | spowers | if the only guest OSes you have are linux or freebsd or netbsd or openbsd, Xen is an option |
| 11:32.21 | spowers | a damn cool one at that |
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| 11:32.25 | liable | TBBle: ok, i'll give it a go. |
| 11:32.37 | spowers | more people should know about it, i think it's spiffy |
| 11:32.53 | spowers | because it's very very fast |
| 11:33.01 | sep | xen is an option when it's included in a kernel-image and packaged, i can handle a few binaries and configs from my local repo, but i cant handle more then that |
| 11:33.16 | sep | i hope i'll learn enoughf to be able to maintain a bit in the future |
| 11:33.27 | spowers | yeah, it will really be an option when all of those above mentioned distributions include xen support in their installer-laden versions |
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| 11:34.01 | spowers | and i think the xen packages aren't far away, i know there is at least a start in sid |
| 11:34.46 | JJK | Hello, I want to let everyone in this room know that the European Union rejected the possibility to patent software. |
| 11:35.04 | paivakil|away | huray!!! |
| 11:35.10 | JJK | paivakil|away, idd |
| 11:35.10 | egg | oh three times ... |
| 11:35.24 | egg | news is everywhere |
| 11:35.33 | TBBle | JJK: Really? Did they introduce a new and fascinating rule in the last hour? |
| 11:35.59 | JJK | TBBle, yes, I just read it on a dutch news source |
| 11:36.02 | TBBle | Ooops. I mean 'Take it to #politics'. |
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| 11:36.18 | egg | ? |
| 11:36.30 | Guerin | JJK: link? |
| 11:36.38 | paivakil | TBBle: #debian is, IMHO intrested in that |
| 11:36.43 | JJK | http://www.nu.nl/news/552631/50/Geen_Europees_patent_op_software.html << This is in dutch |
| 11:36.44 | egg | (no links) |
| 11:36.55 | Guerin | i've not seen anything but unsubstantiated rumour on this, and http://za.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=businessNews&storyID=2005-07-06T103013Z_01_BAN637779_RTRIDST_0_OZABS-TECH-EU-PATENTING-20050706.XML is a red herring |
| 11:37.18 | egg | nl = netherland? |
| 11:37.20 | TBBle | Well, I've had one #debian op say we weren't. I know who I least want to annoy out of #debian ops and everyone else. |
| 11:37.28 | spowers | it's good news |
| 11:37.46 | spowers | i'd rather hear that than bad news |
| 11:38.02 | JJK | I'm looking for an english source |
| 11:38.20 | Guerin | well |
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| 11:38.23 | JJK | egg: nl is The Netherlands, right |
| 11:38.26 | TBBle | Anyway, an hour ago the European Parliament voted to maintain the status quo, as reported in the link Guerin just posted. Does anyone have any links for an event since then? |
| 11:38.32 | Guerin | until the EFF has it, i won't be holding my breath |
| 11:38.44 | egg | JJK, oh sorry |
| 11:39.09 | egg | (holland?) |
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| 11:40.17 | JJK | egg, in The Netherlands we always talk about Nederland, and Holland is possible, but it is strictly incorrect. (Only two provences have a name with Holland in it) |
| 11:40.17 | belracu | when i issue "lsmod " ---> i get ehci-hcd 25596 1 (initializing) |
| 11:40.26 | belracu | when i issue "lsmod " ---> ehci-hcd 25596 1 (initializing) |
| 11:40.32 | belracu | what is initializing ? |
| 11:40.41 | Guerin | belracu: man dict |
| 11:40.51 | spowers | some english sources here: http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=european+union+software+patents&ei=UTF-8&datesort=1 |
| 11:40.52 | belracu | LOL |
| 11:41.07 | belracu | but does it meen the driver is working or no |
| 11:41.10 | asg | Guerin: feeling better? |
| 11:41.17 | belracu | what can leade to these errors |
| 11:41.30 | egg | JJK, (^_^ hehe wikipedia) |
| 11:42.14 | JJK | http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticleSearch.aspx?storyID=117765+06-Jul-2005+RTRS&srch=European+Union << Here it is |
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| 11:43.10 | tarzeau | !initrd |
| 11:43.10 | dpkg | methinks initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 11:43.17 | Guerin | asg: marginally. Test results tomorrow. |
| 11:43.36 | asg | Guerin: good luck, hope everything turns out alright |
| 11:43.42 | Guerin | asg: cheers. |
| 11:43.56 | asg | Guerin: :) Also, planet.debian.org has tons of links to the EU pat stuff. |
| 11:44.00 | tarzeau | !make-kpkg |
| 11:44.00 | dpkg | [make-kpkg] the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, or cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && fakeroot make-kpkg clean kernel_headers kernel_image && cd /usr/src && sudo dpkg -i ... |
| 11:44.20 | TBBle | Right, so as has been reported, the EU did not reject software patents, they just rejected a harmonisation to maintain the status quo. |
| 11:44.40 | tarzeau | i try make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image but it doesn't build an initrd ? i used the default debian kernel .config from 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 11:44.42 | JJK | asg, they can add a link now |
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| 11:45.05 | tarzeau | or someone else makes publicly available 2.4.31 debian kernels maybe? |
| 11:45.06 | TBBle | tarzeau: make-kpkg --initrd means the initrd is made on install, not on build. |
| 11:45.09 | paivakil | TBBle: have a look at groklaw at what the proposals really would |
| 11:45.09 | egg | long life kernel 2.4 ^-^ |
| 11:45.10 | paivakil | have meant |
| 11:45.10 | JJK | TBBle, In practise, that means that it is unpossible to patent software, at least for now |
| 11:45.19 | tarzeau | TBBle: oh :) maybe it works, i should just try it? |
| 11:45.26 | tarzeau | TBBle: is that what i wanted? |
| 11:45.48 | TBBle | JJK: Many EU countries _have_ software patent laws already, as I understand it. They, and the EU Patent Office, are happily issuing software patents already. |
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| 11:45.56 | TBBle | tarzeau: Yeah, I think so. |
| 11:45.59 | spowers | it just means that there is no single software patent law across the whole EU, right? |
| 11:46.11 | tarzeau | TBBle: so cool, /me tries... |
| 11:46.15 | TBBle | Yes. |
| 11:46.17 | paivakil | spowers: seems so |
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| 11:46.24 | spowers | i mean, member nations can still do what they want, which includes allowing software patents |
| 11:46.29 | paivakil | this at least acts as a barrir to patnt enforcemnt |
| 11:46.40 | paivakil | spowers: yes |
| 11:46.49 | spowers | seems like that's the way it ought to be |
| 11:46.56 | egg | well,a question... what's patent? o_o |
| 11:46.57 | JJK | TBBle, I know, however, I'm vary glad that I still can use my Debian installation. :P |
| 11:47.00 | Delph | spowers: and people can still take it higher, to the EU, which hasn't said anything yet. |
| 11:47.01 | PerfDave | The rejection of swpat today is the second best thing that could have happened. The best thing would have been adoption of the Rochard amendments which closed all the swpat loopholes - then there'd be a consistent, swpat-free legislation across Europe. However, adopting the CP without the amendments would have been fucking terrible. |
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| 11:47.10 | Guerin | asg: oh, naturally. |
| 11:47.26 | Delph | oh, did we win? |
| 11:47.34 | PerfDave | Delph: We didn't lose. |
| 11:47.42 | Guerin | a draw? |
| 11:47.48 | PerfDave | Well, we in the UK did. |
| 11:47.50 | TBBle | PerfDave: Thankyou, that's beautify phrased. ^_^ |
| 11:47.53 | PerfDave | But we as in Europe didn't. |
| 11:47.54 | Delph | happy. |
| 11:48.06 | Delph | equally, did we win the olympics |
| 11:48.14 | PerfDave | There are Olympics on? |
| 11:48.15 | jm_ | there's no results yet |
| 11:48.33 | jm_ | Paris and London made it to the last round |
| 11:48.35 | Delph | jm_: it's france or the UK, and it was meant to be released about 3mins ago, if my clock is right. |
| 11:48.37 | ircdevil | can i get procmail to search the mail body ? |
| 11:48.48 | jm_ | ircdevil: you have my permission |
| 11:49.35 | jm_ | Delph: London got it apparently |
| 11:49.41 | TBBle | jm_: He didn't want permission, he wants to know if he's able. I'm not sure #debian is qualified to answer that. |
| 11:49.53 | jm_ | I am |
| 11:50.00 | petemc | heh |
| 11:50.06 | Delph | oh wait. |
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| 11:50.22 | jm_ | ircdevil: honestly - man procmailrc -- flags B Egrep the body. |
| 11:51.26 | sep | grmbles my workstation hd just died like a 80000 million bytes suddenly screemed out in pain, and then silenced. |
| 11:51.51 | ircdevil | jm_: can you paste a recipe somewhere ? |
| 11:51.55 | Guerin | bah, new rtorrent client fails to build |
| 11:52.09 | Guerin | and i suck too much to fix0r it |
| 11:53.09 | jm_ | ircdevil: procmail-lib has examples |
| 11:53.46 | tralala | sep: time for your backups to play their role |
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| 11:54.18 | sep | redundant workstation is nice to h ave |
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| 11:54.37 | mejo | hello |
| 11:55.01 | mejo | at which moment in the boot process are udev devices created? |
| 11:55.04 | sep | still is a pain tho. restoring and stuff. when i should be worried about clockskew |
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| 11:55.39 | mejo | if i name the udev device for my hda1 to /dev/root, is it possible to use /dev/root as device for the root filesystem? |
| 11:55.53 | tralala | sep: the real pain would be not having backups, now it's still a pain but that's life - full of pain |
| 11:55.54 | mejo | or is there native support for /dev/root (like devfs had) for udev? |
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| 11:57.28 | TBBle | mejo: udev devices get created when udev's init.d script is started, I expect. Have a look in /etc/rc*.d/ for where in the process that is. After that, it gets the hotplug events from the kernel and creates devices on the fly. So I think you'd have to have a static /dev with your /dev/root already existing to do what you want to do. |
| 11:58.13 | spowers | seems like initrd is a pretty good solution to that and other similar problems |
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| 11:59.23 | jm_ | mejo: check Planet Debian too, there's a new version in sid now with a link to some discussion about this |
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| 12:02.37 | J_P | hi all |
| 12:03.25 | GooZ | EU Parliament rejects software patents 648 to 14 |
| 12:03.27 | GooZ | :) |
| 12:03.34 | PerfDave | GooZ: Keep up at the back there. |
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| 12:04.04 | JJK | GooZ, you were too late |
| 12:04.08 | abli | HI! I have to computers, with one monitor each, with a lan between them. How could I turn this into a single dual-monitor setup? that is, use the monitor of one of the computers as an extra monitor for the desktop that runs on the other computer. |
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| 12:04.09 | GooZ | yes xD |
| 12:04.17 | Gnea | wtf |
| 12:04.18 | superlinux | hi all |
| 12:04.23 | Gnea | GooZ: they FINALLY got to it?! |
| 12:04.27 | PerfDave | abli: x2x |
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| 12:04.45 | GooZ | Gnea, yes :) |
| 12:04.56 | GooZ | today is a happy day :) |
| 12:05.10 | abli | PerfDave, thanks, just what i was looking for. |
| 12:05.12 | TBBle | jm_: That's the new version of udev you were talking about, right? |
| 12:05.12 | PerfDave | abli: Or propsel |
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| 12:05.23 | jm_ | TBBle: right |
| 12:05.24 | Chan0P | hi |
| 12:05.44 | Chan0P | how can i see what program using the port 21 ? |
| 12:05.46 | TBBle | jm_: Thanks. |
| 12:05.49 | PerfDave | Chan0P: netstat |
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| 12:06.10 | Chan0P | where in netstat? |
| 12:06.10 | Gnea | dude |
| 12:06.15 | edugcj | hi all |
| 12:06.18 | Gnea | !beer GooZ |
| 12:06.21 | PerfDave | Chan0P: man netstat |
| 12:06.24 | Chan0P | ok |
| 12:06.24 | Gnea | !beer #debian |
| 12:06.27 | tralala | Chan0P: fuser |
| 12:06.36 | Gnea | cheers! |
| 12:06.41 | GooZ | thanks Gnea !!!! |
| 12:06.47 | Gnea | #) |
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| 12:07.12 | edugcj | what packages do i have to download to install a printing server? |
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| 12:07.32 | midnightparadox | cupsys first |
| 12:07.43 | LSorensen | edugcj: cupsys is good. gimp-print is handy for many printers |
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| 12:08.10 | Gnea | edugcj: there some howtos for that at www.tldp.org |
| 12:08.12 | edugcj | LSorensen im going to use it on a kyocera |
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| 12:08.17 | mejo | TBBle, jm_: so udev doesn't support /dev/root as devfs did it? |
| 12:08.20 | Gnea | edugcj: and www.linuxprinting.org |
| 12:08.25 | edugcj | Gnea tnx i will read! |
| 12:08.27 | LSorensen | edugcj: is that an inkjet, a laser, what? |
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| 12:08.36 | Gnea | edugcj: cupsys is good, foomatic-* are VERY good |
| 12:08.37 | edugcj | LSorensen laser |
| 12:08.38 | LSorensen | edugcj: does it do postscript? |
| 12:08.40 | smagy2 | hello folks, can any recommend a hardware testing software other than ctcs http://sourceforge.net/projects/va-ctcs/ and memtest |
| 12:08.49 | ricky_clarkson | jim: Apparently the stock kernel doesn't have preemption by default. |
| 12:08.51 | edugcj | LSorensen clients are winxp |
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| 12:09.09 | ricky_clarkson | jim: Apparently I need to apply the realtime-lsm module. Does this make sense? |
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| 12:09.27 | edugcj | LSorensen postscript? |
| 12:09.35 | TBBle | mejo: Actually, I thought /dev/root was just a block device node with a certain minor, that was equivalent to the current root device. Nothing particularly to do with devfs, except tht devfs happened to populate it, like the rest of /dev. |
| 12:09.37 | LSorensen | edugcj: well in that case they can just connect to cupsys using ipp and print using their own driver. should be easy. windows would use http://printerserver/printers/printername as the url to set in the driver |
| 12:09.52 | LSorensen | edugcj: all the good printers support postscript. makes needing a driver just about irrelevant |
| 12:09.59 | jm_ | mejo: I have no clue, I am not using either of them |
| 12:10.16 | LSorensen | edugcj: the crappier ones only do PCL or worse yet, something proprietary |
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| 12:10.21 | ricky_clarkson | Anyone else? Is the 2.6 kernel realtime pre-empt by default? |
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| 12:10.42 | LSorensen | ricky_clarkson: The debian 2.6 kernel builds are preemptible. No 2.6 kernel without major patches is realtime |
| 12:10.49 | TBBle | ricky_clarkson: Umm, no. It's not real-time, and I think pre-empt is default to off. |
| 12:11.15 | LSorensen | ricky_clarkson: oh, I am wrong. They are not built with preempt on. |
| 12:11.32 | LSorensen | ricky_clarkson: so no, they are neither realtime nor preemptible |
| 12:12.23 | edugcj | LSorensen let me explain you my problem. i have a software that print some documents with 100-400 pages, and it sends 3 pages each time to the print (about), so, the printer is 35ppm but it is printing about 15 i think... so o think that installing a printing server i can rule that the software send all the document and the printer start printing after that |
| 12:12.37 | edugcj | LSorensen sorry about my English, i am not american :/ |
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| 12:12.50 | edugcj | LSorensen i hope you can understand me |
| 12:12.52 | edugcj | hehe |
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| 12:13.08 | superlinux | hi all |
| 12:13.14 | LSorensen | edugcj: hmm. well if the driver on windows is awful (or the cpu on the client is too slow) then maybe it can't generate the pages fast enough. |
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| 12:13.39 | LSorensen | edugcj: you could also change all the clients to 'start print when done spooling all pages' rather than the default 'start print after spooling first page' |
| 12:13.52 | LSorensen | edugcj: then it should just send the data as fast as it can |
| 12:14.04 | LSorensen | edugcj: slower for the user, but more efficient for the printer |
| 12:14.15 | superlinux | i know what is /dev/ttyS(n) that it's COM ports on box |
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| 12:15.03 | LSorensen | edugcj: or check if the printer has postscript support and go install the adobe postscript driver instead and you should get WAY faster printing since the client has less to do (although if they are anything like HP laserjets, the postscript support is so slow on the printer it ends up being way slower. on a xerox on the other hand the postscript is much faster) |
| 12:15.05 | Adamn | how can i get my usb harddrive to work in debian? |
| 12:15.12 | Adamn | it works in windows |
| 12:15.17 | sh4dowcat | oh great |
| 12:15.18 | LSorensen | superlinux: ttyS0 = com1, ttyS1 = com2, etc |
| 12:15.18 | superlinux | but i had US robotics modem external and used Kppp and did not do ppp on that modem. and they say that any external modem would do it |
| 12:15.19 | sh4dowcat | gnaa is here again |
| 12:15.23 | RichiH | Adamn: apt-get install usbview |
| 12:15.30 | Adamn | RichiH: to boot from it |
| 12:15.33 | LSorensen | Adamn: plug it in, and if hotplug is running, it should appear as a scsi disk |
| 12:15.34 | RichiH | sh4dowcat: ? |
| 12:15.37 | RichiH | where |
| 12:15.43 | RichiH | Adamn: oh |
| 12:15.49 | Adamn | the installer wont allow it to be used as main |
| 12:15.49 | superlinux | Adamn mount it as /dev/sda(n) |
| 12:15.50 | RichiH | Adamn: google a bit. there are howtos |
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| 12:15.54 | superlinux | or sdb(n) |
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| 12:16.00 | LSorensen | superlinux: kppp is crap and often doesn't work. use pppconfig and pon/poff instead. That's the debian way. |
| 12:16.01 | edugcj | LSorensen where can i check if it supports postscript? |
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| 12:16.11 | greycat | edugcj: send some postscript to it. |
| 12:16.14 | superlinux | n is a number |
| 12:16.16 | LSorensen | edugcj: the documentation, the status page of the printer perhaps. what model is it? |
| 12:16.22 | greycat | superlinux: is not! it's a letter! |
| 12:16.31 | superlinux | aha |
| 12:16.37 | arturaz | anyone expierenced in traffic shaping? |
| 12:16.42 | tam | why do i get a perm denied when i do a ln -s file.cgi say from my home dir to my cgi directory? but when i cp it to my cgi-bin it works fine |
| 12:16.45 | superlinux | even on sarge? |
| 12:16.47 | greycat | arturaz: lartc.org |
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| 12:16.57 | LSorensen | Adamn: ehm, the installer likely doesn't support usbstorage, and you can't boot from it in most cases, so no kidding it won't support that. |
| 12:17.06 | Adamn | hmm |
| 12:17.11 | greycat | tam: you're probably using ln wrong. a lot of people do. |
| 12:17.14 | Adamn | i'll have to use winxp then |
| 12:17.16 | Adamn | thanks. |
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| 12:17.17 | jm_ | LSorensen: it supports it, you can boot d-i from USB storage devices |
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| 12:17.27 | ThePiratemaster | how do i display icons instead of the list thing on my ftp server? |
| 12:17.29 | LSorensen | superlinux: kppp has always been crap. your desktop should not be your admin tools. |
| 12:17.30 | tam | greycat: i thought ln -s would work. |
| 12:17.34 | sh4dowcat | like WinXP supports usb storage |
| 12:17.39 | ThePiratemaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.40 | streuner | Adamn is a known troll |
| 12:17.40 | edugcj | LSorensen it is kyocera mita fs-3830N |
| 12:17.41 | LSorensen | ThePiratemaster: often that is done by the browser |
| 12:17.49 | arturaz | greycat, i'm expierencing voodoo problems ;) |
| 12:17.50 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: FTP doesn't know what the fuck an icon is. It's a networking protocol. |
| 12:17.52 | sh4dowcat | streuner: uhum |
| 12:18.00 | superlinux | Adamn if u need help in mounting ur usb.. |
| 12:18.01 | superlinux | prvt me |
| 12:18.08 | greycat | LSorensen: actually it's apache that does it |
| 12:18.10 | TBBle | superlinux: He left. |
| 12:18.27 | greycat | tam: you have to show us the WHOLE command you're running, and provide all the relevant details. |
| 12:18.40 | tam | greycat: OK. gimme a tick please |
| 12:18.52 | superlinux | u know SATA eases Linux installation much |
| 12:19.03 | streuner | sh4dowcat: isn't he the same person who trolled yesterday? |
| 12:19.10 | sh4dowcat | streuner: yes |
| 12:19.19 | ThePiratemaster | i never see icons on when im getting something from my server with any client |
| 12:19.22 | sh4dowcat | when all the ops were afk |
| 12:19.42 | ThePiratemaster | yea it was |
| 12:19.48 | ThePiratemaster | now he's askinghelp |
| 12:19.49 | LSorensen | edugcj: well it has a 300mhz powerpc, and yes it does postscript. So you find it prints rather fast but not as fast as you think it should? |
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| 12:20.06 | LSorensen | greycat: I have seen some web browsers do it when connected to ftp servers. apache isn't an ftp server after all. |
| 12:20.22 | greycat | LSorensen: ok, that's possible. |
| 12:20.37 | tam | greycat: ln -s /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mail.cgi /opt/lampp/cgi-bin/ is the command i run but it gives me perm denied when i try to access it. but if i copy it to the /opt/lampp/cgi-bin it works perfectly |
| 12:20.41 | LSorensen | greycat: but in either case, not the ftp servers doing |
| 12:20.45 | ThePiratemaster | ftp.suse.com displays icons in konquerror en ie |
| 12:20.56 | ThePiratemaster | *en=and |
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| 12:21.30 | LSorensen | edugcj: I know on my dad's xerox, he should be able to do 28ppm, but is getting more like 18 because he isn't running it at the lowest quality level. perhaps you are running high quality mode rather than low quality high speed mode. |
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| 12:22.03 | greycat | Waiting for ftp.suse.com... |
| 12:22.12 | greycat | (Did I mention lately that I fucking *hate* FTP?) |
| 12:22.20 | LSorensen | greycat: anyone sane hates ftp |
| 12:22.28 | greycat | Generated Wed, 06 Jul 2005 12:22:15 GMT by imadev.eeg.ccf.org (Squid/2.4.STABLE6) |
| 12:22.35 | greycat | ok, in my case it's squid that's generating the icons. |
| 12:22.37 | RichiH | heh |
| 12:22.46 | LSorensen | greycat: oh right, proxies tend to do it too |
| 12:22.47 | RichiH | imadev+ |
| 12:22.52 | tralala | ftp is good for uploading your webpage though |
| 12:22.55 | J_P | why debian stable not release others kernel version major than 2.6.8 ? |
| 12:22.59 | RichiH | tralala: scp |
| 12:22.59 | LSorensen | tralala: so is webdav and scp |
| 12:23.06 | greycat | RichiH: "image development". The original box that bore this name was used to create installation images for other HP-UX workstations. |
| 12:23.09 | LSorensen | tralala: and actually ftp is not that good for it |
| 12:23.10 | edugcj | LSorensen yes, on printing for that system i said you it prints 3 pages,sleep for a second, print 3 pages... so ins a minute it prints much less then 35ppm |
| 12:23.11 | sh4dowcat | greycat: who owns dpkg? |
| 12:23.16 | greycat | dpkg: who owns you? |
| 12:23.17 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 12:23.21 | sh4dowcat | ah |
| 12:23.22 | shruggar | something I'm installing lists under prerequisites: glibc-2.3.2-95.20 Does Debian have an equivilent package? |
| 12:23.25 | bam | same person who owns the moon |
| 12:23.29 | RichiH | greycat: oh, i thought i'm a developer :) |
| 12:23.44 | sh4dowcat | now I just gotta catch him when he's awake |
| 12:23.45 | shruggar | (I dont see anything apt-cache searching for glibc) |
| 12:23.48 | edugcj | LSorensen but if i print with ms-word (example) it it really fast, really 35ppm |
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| 12:23.51 | greycat | shruggar: why does it need *that* specific version? |
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| 12:23.58 | JohnnyST | J_P: It was frosen at version 2.6.8. |
| 12:24.02 | sh4dowcat | I'm interested in using some of dpkg's scripts for my blootbot infobot |
| 12:24.06 | shruggar | greycat: more looking for /any/ glibc |
| 12:24.15 | greycat | shruggar: it's called libc6 on i386 Debian |
| 12:24.20 | greycat | !info libc6 sarge |
| 12:24.31 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 12:24.33 | JohnnyST | J_P: But you can uppgrade from kernel.org if you like to.. |
| 12:24.36 | ricky_clarkson | LSorensen: TBBle: Thanks for the info. jim: You're outvoted. ;) |
| 12:24.44 | edugcj | LSorensen but it is not fast with THAT software... becouse it takes some time to generate all pages (depending 100-400). |
| 12:24.46 | LSorensen | edugcj: hmm, the sleep is certainly odd. any idea what language the clients are sending to the printer with? I see the datasheet says it does PCL6 and KPDL (postscript compatible) and a few others. I would think the postscript compatible would be fastest for the client, although maybe the processor in the printer isn't fast enough to go full speed with more complex pages. My dad's xerox has a 500mhz powerpc to do the postscript, and it certainly doe |
| 12:25.06 | chealer | shruggar: your apt-cache search glibc looks broken |
| 12:25.18 | J_P | JohnnyST: then only in next version debian(eatch) will be new version kernel in stable ? |
| 12:25.26 | superlinux | u know i am in the linux traffic shaping mailing list and there is a guy in the list succeeded using the PDA as a traffic shaper! |
| 12:25.32 | dondelelcaro | sh4dowcat: ? |
| 12:25.39 | LSorensen | edugcj: well try changing the client's printer settings to 'start printing after all pages are spooled' to see if the client is just to slow at generating pages |
| 12:25.41 | J_P | JohnnyST: becouse in woody was only 2.4.18 |
| 12:25.47 | sh4dowcat | heh dondelelcaro you're awake |
| 12:26.02 | edugcj | LSorensen already did it, but the same problem |
| 12:26.03 | sh4dowcat | dondelelcaro: I was just wondering what scripts you put into dpkg |
| 12:26.04 | LSorensen | j_p: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 isn't bad in general |
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| 12:26.21 | JohnnyST | J_P: Yes thats right, becouse to uppgrade the kernel then it needs to be done a lot of QA and such things. |
| 12:26.29 | sh4dowcat | I'm running blootbot off the deb package as an infobot in another channel |
| 12:26.35 | edugcj | LSorensen let me try again with other station, brb! |
| 12:26.46 | LSorensen | edugcj: oh realy. hmm, well in that case I really wonder if it is the printers fault. I know printing postscript on an hp 4100 is often pauses for 10 or 15s between pages because the cpu is too slow in the printer |
| 12:26.49 | sh4dowcat | and I was wondering if I could use some of the extensions in dpkg |
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| 12:27.23 | LSorensen | edugcj: I once used an hp large printer that took 45minutes to process a microsoft project file using postscript before it started to print the page. |
| 12:27.55 | LSorensen | edugcj: some windows programs generate horrible output and can take a lot of time for the printer to render before it can print the page. |
| 12:28.04 | dondelelcaro | sh4dowcat: it's just a blootbot. There isn't much in the way of scripts there... |
| 12:28.21 | sh4dowcat | dondelelcaro: hmm... just a standard blootbot? |
| 12:28.28 | sh4dowcat | what about the configuration files? |
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| 12:28.45 | sh4dowcat | I have yet to get head or tails of the configuration system :/ |
| 12:28.49 | sh4dowcat | like |
| 12:28.59 | sh4dowcat | dpkg has !beer, !insult etc |
| 12:29.09 | sh4dowcat | can't seem to get those into my one |
| 12:29.09 | jm_ | you can enable those in config file .. |
| 12:29.15 | chealer | wow, I didn't know PS could be that heavy |
| 12:29.20 | sh4dowcat | jm_: heh WHERE? :P |
| 12:29.43 | dondelelcaro | sh4dowcat: most of those are factoids, so you'll need a database dump if you wnat them |
| 12:29.46 | dondelelcaro | !your factoids |
| 12:29.46 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
| 12:29.47 | greycat | sh4dowcat: "bot, frob $1 is <action> frobs $1" |
| 12:29.47 | TBBle | postscript is a programming language, and you can write bad code in _any_ language. |
| 12:30.04 | jm_ | sh4dowcat: in blootbot.config, but keep in mind that people have added a lot of commands to dpkg so grab the DB |
| 12:30.09 | dondelelcaro | the real question is, can you write good code in the language? |
| 12:30.27 | sh4dowcat | hmm |
| 12:30.32 | sh4dowcat | I guess I'll have to take a lookt at it |
| 12:30.37 | sh4dowcat | thanks for the info |
| 12:30.51 | chealer | dondelelcaro: BTW, did you get my mail about dpkg factoids purge? sorry, I forgot to identify myself. it came from ido at vif.ca |
| 12:30.54 | TBBle | _I_ can't. ^_^ |
| 12:31.10 | jm_ | insult has to be enabled in config file, it uses insult server |
| 12:31.20 | sh4dowcat | hmm |
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| 12:31.34 | sh4dowcat | I guess !beer goes along similar lines |
| 12:31.42 | f0ssi | hi folks :) |
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| 12:31.50 | dondelelcaro | chealer: yeah, I just haven't a chance to really do anything about it yet. |
| 12:32.00 | jm_ | no, beer was added by #debian users |
| 12:32.06 | sh4dowcat | hmm.... |
| 12:32.14 | f0ssi | i just looked at my logs and found this : kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 12:32.19 | sh4dowcat | guess I'm in for a long haul |
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| 12:32.23 | f0ssi | and this: eth0: Transmit timed out, status 0000, PHY status 786d, resetting... |
| 12:32.25 | greycat | blootbot has only a very small number of real builtin commands. |
| 12:32.28 | f0ssi | can someone tell me whats wrong ? |
| 12:32.34 | greycat | all the rest are factoids that were added by the end users |
| 12:32.46 | sh4dowcat | greycat: heh it would help if there was a wee bit more documentation :P |
| 12:32.52 | sh4dowcat | but I'm not complaining |
| 12:32.53 | PerfDave | Cor, a greycat |
| 12:33.01 | sh4dowcat | it works better than the previous bot we had |
| 12:33.14 | f0ssi | hello ? :/ |
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| 12:33.18 | TBBle | f0ssi: Network card issues. Could be bad driver, bad card, bad system, or something else. |
| 12:33.19 | chealer | dondelelcaro: ok, I took months to send it myself |
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| 12:33.28 | f0ssi | oh ..ok |
| 12:33.34 | f0ssi | thats what i thought |
| 12:33.36 | f0ssi | :) |
| 12:33.59 | f0ssi | my ISP fixed this problem once by installing a new kernel |
| 12:34.30 | f0ssi | but now he wants me to pay for it .. so i have to solve the problem by myself |
| 12:34.35 | f0ssi | but i have no clue how to |
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| 12:36.29 | [timmeh] | hi, does it mean my php isnt installed if when i go to phpmyadmin or phpsysinfo it tried to download the file? |
| 12:36.48 | PerfDave | [timmeh]: Or you haven't configured Apache properly. |
| 12:36.50 | f0ssi | ?? |
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| 12:37.02 | PerfDave | !tell f0ssi -about enter |
| 12:37.33 | f0ssi | PerfDave: pardon ? |
| 12:37.34 | [timmeh] | wheres the configuration for apache? |
| 12:37.43 | [timmeh] | because it says php4 is installed |
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| 12:38.02 | TBBle | [timmeh]: /etc/apache or /etc/apache2 depending on if you installed apache or apache2. |
| 12:38.10 | f0ssi | [timmeh]: be sure that php is included in the modules list |
| 12:38.25 | [timmeh] | thnx |
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| 12:39.02 | [timmeh] | ok i have folders for apache and apache 2 |
| 12:39.03 | pirre | I'm running Xfce and I find that the screen turns black too fast, after like 5-6 minutes. Where do I go to change this? I've looked at the Xfce settings, but haven't been able to find it. |
| 12:39.25 | jm_ | pirre: you can change it with xset or in X config file |
| 12:39.54 | pirre | jm_: thank you |
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| 12:40.28 | RichiH | !tell paivakil about away |
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| 12:40.53 | jethro | !bubnbrossmite RichiH |
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| 12:42.24 | sdkfj | can i ask here questions about tcp implementation? |
| 12:42.47 | jethro | no |
| 12:42.56 | Mash | don't ask to ask |
| 12:43.00 | Mash | ask! |
| 12:43.00 | RichiH | you can try |
| 12:43.05 | sdkfj | ok |
| 12:43.11 | RichiH | the worst that would happen is noone answers |
| 12:43.18 | greycat | you can ask. but we probably can't answer them. |
| 12:43.24 | jethro | or being flamed |
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| 12:44.24 | n1k0 | how can I remove debian menu from gnome? I've removed menu and xdg-menu packages |
| 12:44.29 | sdkfj | does someone know how i can find which function is called via "sk->sk_backlog_rcv(sk, skb)" while processing tcp prequeue? |
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| 12:45.08 | PerfDave | n1k0: Did you remove them, or purge them? |
| 12:45.29 | n1k0 | remove with apt-get remove |
| 12:46.39 | claudio_ | sdkfj: *maybe* arnaldo's ostra tool can help you, http://oops.ghostprotocols.net:81/ostra/ |
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| 12:48.05 | [timmeh] | LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 12:48.14 | [timmeh] | it seems that php is in the module list |
| 12:48.18 | J_P | JohnnyST: why if i compile source of kernel 2.6.8 using config config-2.6.8-2-386 of my default installation and not work. I not do any change in config but I have message on boot after compile : Kernel-Panic; VFS : Can not mount root File System. |
| 12:48.24 | pingpong | Software patent bill thrown out http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4655955.stm |
| 12:48.49 | TBBle | J_P: Did you generate an initrd? The Debian kernel configs require one. |
| 12:49.22 | J_P | TBBle: yes.. |
| 12:49.28 | J_P | mkinitrd TBBle |
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| 12:50.57 | TBBle | J_P: Does the kernel find it during the boot? |
| 12:50.59 | J_P | TBBle: but config is config of default installation.. exactaly equal! And source is kernel 2.6.8 too. |
| 12:51.04 | Gnea | hrm |
| 12:51.06 | Gnea | !locale |
| 12:51.06 | dpkg | [locale] something to help you using an application you don't understand because it's written in a language you don't know, by making you not understand it in a language you know. |
| 12:51.11 | Gnea | damnit |
| 12:51.33 | greycat | !locales |
| 12:51.34 | harfooz | hi all. I'm trying to modify my sources.list to get the stable release of R on my machine, following these instructions: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/languages/R/CRAN/bin/linux/debian/README . When I run apt-get update it sees the updates available, however, when I run apt-get upgrade, I get all 404 errors. I want to use the ibiblio.org mirror. What should I do to fix this? |
| 12:51.34 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 12:51.34 | J_P | TBBle: yes, kernel is boot, but cannot mount i think.. |
| 12:51.43 | Gnea | my /etc/environment has LANGUAGE set wrong - even if i localegen and everything it still doesn't set it right - why? |
| 12:51.46 | TBBle | J_P: The debian config comes with the Debian kernel, which includes the patches in kernel-patch-2.6.11-debian. Maybe it depends on something that's not in stock 2.6.8? (If it can't load the initrd, check if you hve cramfs support) |
| 12:52.06 | J_P | TBBle: humm ok |
| 12:52.10 | TBBle | J_P: When the kernel's booting, you should see it report 'Decompressing initrd' if it found it. |
| 12:52.14 | greycat | dpkg, locale is also <man 7 locale> for real information. |
| 12:52.15 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 12:52.34 | J_P | TBBle: moment I go try reboot that machine for see this message.. |
| 12:52.40 | Gnea | nevermind |
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| 12:52.46 | Gnea | got it |
| 12:52.51 | chaica | hi |
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| 12:54.08 | chaica | I've got a small problem with ntpdate, I apt-get install ntpdate, change the ntp server, restart the daemon and date gives me : Wed Jul 6 07:49:10 CDT 2005, I'm from France so that's really not my time |
| 12:54.12 | liable | TBBle: well, after all that, it works, after rebooting the win box, stopping samba, letting win box be master browser, waiting for responses for 5 mins, then logging in, it worked .... |
| 12:54.32 | greycat | chaica: tzconfig |
| 12:54.41 | Gnea | chaica: then you need to set your timezone with tzconfig and re-run it |
| 12:55.24 | TBBle | liable: You made the windows box master browser? Fair 'nuff. |
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| 12:56.11 | JohnnyST | J_P: Well if you want to compile the kernel you should first know what hardware you have know what filesystems you need support for and what stuff you need in for your firewall etc.. |
| 12:56.48 | liable | TBBle: I just let it anounce it was master browser, then fired up samba, and yeah, it works.. |
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| 12:57.09 | JohnnyST | J_P: Then you need to learn how to compile, I tend to compile everything as static if there are not some hardware that need parameters then I make them as modules. |
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| 12:58.20 | liable | s/let/wait for/ |
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| 12:58.22 | wam | Hmm - is here someone who would say: "Yes, I'd love to host Apache HTTP, Tomcat and MySQL a few customers on reiserfs3 with quota2 on a lvm2, because reiserfs with quota is excellent for ths!" ? |
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| 12:58.58 | PerfDave | wam: God no. |
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| 12:59.37 | TBBle | You'd be hard pressed to get any four of those items together with 'love to host' I fear. |
| 12:59.39 | J_P | JohnnyST: yes, Problem i think is SATA and RAID1. But RAID in kernel are as [*], but SATA I not find menu about specific SATA disks, exist ? |
| 12:59.54 | TBBle | J_P: Under SCSI, libata. |
| 12:59.58 | sh4dowcat | hmmm |
| 13:00.12 | J_P | JohnnyST: IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) Serial ATA 150 Storage Controller (rev 02) |
| 13:00.14 | sh4dowcat | how large are dpkg's seenlogs? |
| 13:00.16 | JohnnyST | J_P: Sata is under scsi. |
| 13:00.30 | sh4dowcat | like how much for a day of activity? |
| 13:00.31 | J_P | TBBle: I need SCSI setup in kernel then ? |
| 13:00.57 | TBBle | J_P: Yeah, if you want to use the software RAID features of your card. |
| 13:01.08 | JohnnyST | J_P: You need SCSI and under there you will find SATA and Intel chipsets. |
| 13:01.19 | wam | ok. Other way: Is there someone who would love to host Apache HTTP, Tomcat and MySQL for a few cusomers on ext3 with quota2 and lvm2, because ext3 with quota is much more stable than reiserfs!" ? |
| 13:01.20 | TBBle | Whoops. Not software raid, SATA. Like JohnnyST said. |
| 13:01.37 | J_P | humm ok, I was set only libata |
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| 13:02.56 | J_P | JohnnyST: If I set SCSI, then I can not set up libata sta driver right ? |
| 13:03.18 | JohnnyST | J_P: I think so yes. |
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| 13:04.09 | tralala | wam: why don't you just setup the server and see how it works for yourself? |
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| 13:05.03 | wam | tralala: i did. reiser works fine. But whoever I tell this calls me crazy. |
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| 13:05.33 | tralala | so what? |
| 13:05.36 | greycat | !ricerfs |
| 13:05.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 13:05.42 | wam | tralala: am i? ;) |
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| 13:06.17 | tralala | wam: is it doing the job for you? Are you happy with it? Then you are not crazy. |
| 13:06.30 | wam | !reiserfs |
| 13:06.30 | dpkg | i heard reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 13:06.37 | chaica | greycat : thx |
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| 13:08.06 | toresbe | hmmm, I've built an nvidia module against my happy happy kernel joy happy |
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| 13:08.38 | toresbe | I did it with module-assistant |
| 13:09.00 | necrite | i need help with racoon.. any one here use it? |
| 13:09.07 | toresbe | Does module-assistant produce a .deb-file anywhere? I want to distribute a deb of the biinary results across my network |
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| 13:09.54 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.54 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:10.40 | c_k | after some help with spam software , I am running exim and courier-pop and courier-imap, need some descent spam filering software on the server and after some suggestions from you guy |
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| 13:11.30 | pLaziBo | PROGRAMMERS NEEDED FOR A NEW LINUX DISTRO |
| 13:11.43 | greycat | pLaziBo: talk to ##linux. |
| 13:11.51 | greycat | we already have a linux distro |
| 13:11.54 | tralala | toresbe: in /usr/src? |
| 13:11.58 | pLaziBo | yeah |
| 13:11.58 | bam | heh, just what we need, a new linux distro |
| 13:12.06 | pLaziBo | Debian GNU/Linux |
| 13:12.49 | greycat | bam: especially one that doesn't even have its own programmers |
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| 13:15.28 | xinud | ik have problem installing debian amd64 with netinstall , 2sata hd on asus A8V |
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| 13:16.39 | necrite | mm xinud i have debian in my asus a8v but with ide hd |
| 13:16.55 | xinud | necrite, did you use netinstall |
| 13:17.02 | necrite | yes. |
| 13:17.16 | [timmeh] | how do u update the locate database? |
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| 13:17.22 | xinud | necrite, one ide |
| 13:17.28 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: got any hints? |
| 13:17.29 | xinud | or two in softraid |
| 13:17.31 | sep | [timmeh], updatedb & |
| 13:17.52 | necrite | no.. just one ide. (my desktop) |
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| 13:18.15 | xinud | did you have problems during install ? |
| 13:18.30 | [timmeh] | thnx |
| 13:18.40 | necrite | no.. |
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| 13:18.52 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: hints on what? |
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| 13:19.00 | necrite | all goes fine |
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| 13:19.03 | sep | xinud, i just joined but i just installed a sarge on raid1 now, piece of cake. |
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| 13:19.16 | n1k0 | http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=56 |
| 13:19.22 | n1k0 | great! |
| 13:19.25 | n1k0 | :) |
| 13:19.33 | xinud | sep, witch image did you d/l |
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| 13:19.42 | sep | sarge-netinstall |
| 13:19.44 | sep | !d-i |
| 13:19.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer |
| 13:19.57 | xinud | sep, amd64 ? |
| 13:20.03 | sep | no only p4 |
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| 13:20.08 | sep | unfortunatly |
| 13:20.11 | xinud | :-) |
| 13:20.16 | necrite | xinud, you can try in #debian-amd64 |
| 13:20.25 | xinud | necrite, tnx |
| 13:20.32 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: .debs |
| 13:20.38 | necrite | xinud, np |
| 13:20.52 | J_P | JohnnyST, i paste in flood |
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| 13:21.14 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: can you add a verb ? |
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| 13:22.14 | necrite | no one here use RACOON? |
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| 13:22.29 | kurbatov | hi |
| 13:22.58 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you were telling me to package software for debian the other day |
| 13:23.05 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: ahhhh |
| 13:23.10 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: www.brlcad.org :) |
| 13:23.10 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you said if I had troubles figuring what to package that you would give hints |
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| 13:23.32 | tarzeau | or do you prefer games? what about license clarifications? |
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| 13:24.26 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I guess I dont really care what to package as long as its easy as I have not done much packaging |
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| 13:26.12 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: here you can package this: http://www.braingames.getput.com/roadf/default.asp |
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| 13:27.29 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: can scons be used to package .debs? |
| 13:27.35 | [timmeh] | what package do i ahve to install for the libphp4? |
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| 13:28.13 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: should I use chroot to make packages? |
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| 13:28.26 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: up to you |
| 13:28.34 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: whats the best way in your opinion? |
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| 13:28.44 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ how i do it |
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| 13:31.10 | Atula | hello |
| 13:31.23 | Atula | it's early.... hope people are here |
| 13:31.36 | RichiH | nope |
| 13:31.38 | RichiH | none |
| 13:31.39 | Morti | Nobody. |
| 13:31.46 | Atula | LOL |
| 13:31.53 | RichiH | we all live in the USA, therefore, we are all in the same timezone |
| 13:31.57 | Atula | anyone has experiences with tape drive? |
| 13:32.05 | tarzeau | Atula: certainly |
| 13:32.18 | nevyn | !ask |
| 13:32.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 13:32.41 | Atula | oy |
| 13:32.41 | Atula | just trying to make a conversation here |
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| 13:32.45 | Atula | but here we go. |
| 13:32.49 | nevyn | Atula: mmm... |
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| 13:33.00 | nevyn | Atula: I like tape drives. |
| 13:33.06 | Atula | I was wondering if someone can tell me how to write the fstab for the tape drive |
| 13:33.07 | nevyn | Atula: my boss doesn't ;) |
| 13:33.13 | nevyn | Atula: don't |
| 13:33.19 | RichiH | Atula: with close to 800 people in here, you develop a certain behaviorism ;) |
| 13:33.49 | RichiH | "fstab for the tape drive"? |
| 13:33.54 | tralala | Atula: I've never heard of someone having an fstab entiry for a tape drive... |
| 13:34.01 | nevyn | Atula: tape drives arn't mounted.. like a disk |
| 13:34.03 | Atula | see! I know I'm an idiot about this |
| 13:34.12 | tarzeau | RichiH: funny, eh? |
| 13:34.17 | RichiH | !wayttd |
| 13:34.18 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 13:34.20 | Atula | I've been googling... but I just get more confused |
| 13:34.23 | nevyn | Atula: you stream to a at tape. |
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| 13:34.33 | Atula | I'm trying to get it to work and then back up files to it |
| 13:34.39 | tarzeau | Atula: can you not just use tar ? |
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| 13:34.41 | nevyn | Atula: the thing is.. because it's a serial device it doesn't have a filesystem as such on it. |
| 13:34.48 | Atula | I see |
| 13:34.53 | Snark | salut |
| 13:34.55 | nevyn | tarzeau: he probably want's mt for controll as well |
| 13:34.59 | Atula | it's connected via usb external |
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| 13:35.10 | tralala | Atula: tar stands for Tape ARchiver - use it |
| 13:35.14 | Atula | I have NO idea about tape drive |
| 13:35.18 | nevyn | Atula: that's ... interesting. |
| 13:35.29 | Atula | holy shit. I'm a fking idiot about this the more I talk... |
| 13:35.30 | nevyn | what does the kernel say when you plug it in? |
| 13:35.44 | Atula | I see it in the hardware detection |
| 13:35.56 | nevyn | Atula: and it registers as /dev/st0 ? |
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| 13:36.01 | RichiH | Atula: we all started, at some point |
| 13:36.07 | Atula | fedora... I'm used to debian... so I am a bit of a limbo |
| 13:36.14 | Atula | thanks |
| 13:36.20 | Atula | um... I try to mount it |
| 13:36.24 | Atula | but coun't |
| 13:36.26 | nevyn | don't do that. |
| 13:36.27 | nevyn | :) |
| 13:36.29 | Atula | now I know that I can't do that |
| 13:36.30 | Atula | haha |
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| 13:36.37 | greycat | dpkg, qotd133 is <Atula> I was wondering if someone can tell me how to write the fstab for the tape drive |
| 13:36.38 | Atula | tell me how to check if it's there |
| 13:36.38 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 13:36.39 | claudio_ | Atula: you can only create filesystems on block devices |
| 13:36.43 | greycat | dpkg, qotd0 =~ s/132/132|133/ |
| 13:36.44 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 13:36.49 | nevyn | greycat: that's mean |
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| 13:37.07 | Atula | haha... he has been bursting my nut every time I have a question |
| 13:37.08 | Atula | haha |
| 13:37.11 | Atula | I get used to it |
| 13:37.14 | nevyn | funny.. but mean |
| 13:37.17 | Atula | now how do I check if it's there |
| 13:37.25 | greycat | Atula: you CAN'T mount tapes. |
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| 13:37.30 | greycat | the concept doesn't apply. |
| 13:37.34 | Atula | I heard that thank you |
| 13:37.46 | Snark | asuffield: I have a problem -- probably a bug ; I'm checking before reporting: tla tree-lint shows I have new files in my tree, and tells me to use 'tla add' (this is my usual message) ; but when I tla add the file, I get an error message: tla: unrecognized command (add) (and that is new!) |
| 13:38.07 | nevyn | when you plug it in.. the kernel registers the device as /dev/st0 and /dev/nst0 (assuming it's emulating a scsi tape which may be completely wrong) |
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| 13:38.27 | Atula | okay |
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| 13:38.55 | [timmeh] | Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so: undefined symbol: ap_block_alarms |
| 13:39.01 | [timmeh] | but the lib file is there |
| 13:39.06 | nevyn | Atula: basically without knowing what the kernel says when you plug in the device I can't say for sure that it's emulating scsi but that's the way I'd do it. |
| 13:39.22 | Atula | how do I check what the kernel says, sir? |
| 13:39.25 | nevyn | dmesg |
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| 13:39.33 | PerfDave | [timmeh]: Yep, the lib's there but it has an undefined symbol :) |
| 13:39.34 | Triffid_Hunter | [timmeh]: rebuild it, the lib's linked against something that's changed. revdep-rebuild will probably tell you this |
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| 13:39.45 | nevyn | Atula: don't paste the output here. |
| 13:39.46 | Triffid_Hunter | ah wrong chan, don't mind me |
| 13:39.49 | nevyn | !paste |
| 13:39.50 | dpkg | [paste] Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 13:40.17 | Snark | asuffield: or perhaps I'm supposed to use "tla add-id" and it's the error message that is wrong? |
| 13:40.20 | _nane_ | hii |
| 13:40.21 | [timmeh] | thnx |
| 13:40.41 | zyg | i visit www.nasa.org ,and i could only see the blank screen.where could i find the .swf plugin for firefox? thanks |
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| 13:40.52 | Atula | nevyn, I think it sees it |
| 13:40.54 | PerfDave | zyg: apt-cache search flash |
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| 13:41.03 | Snark | asuffield: eh ; that's it! I'll just apt-get source and send you a patch with the bug report |
| 13:41.04 | nevyn | Atula: ok here's a simple test |
| 13:41.09 | nevyn | mkdir foo |
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| 13:41.21 | Atula | nevyn, theres a line that has "st0: Bleck limits 2 - asdfsa" |
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| 13:41.23 | zyg | flash, oh, let me try |
| 13:41.31 | nevyn | Atula: sounds good. |
| 13:41.32 | nevyn | ok. |
| 13:41.39 | Atula | so its there |
| 13:41.39 | nevyn | make a smallish directory |
| 13:41.41 | _nane_ | hii guys |
| 13:41.46 | nevyn | make sure you have mt and tar installed |
| 13:41.48 | Atula | in st0? |
| 13:41.53 | nevyn | mt is in the cpio package. |
| 13:41.53 | Atula | mt is there |
| 13:42.02 | nevyn | tar should be. |
| 13:42.08 | Atula | it's fedora... not debian... I'm on my debian labtop |
| 13:42.10 | nevyn | Atula: mkdir foo |
| 13:42.17 | nevyn | touch foo/bar |
| 13:42.18 | greycat | and he wonders why we abuse him. |
| 13:42.21 | nevyn | touch foo/baz |
| 13:42.25 | Atula | hehe |
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| 13:42.52 | nevyn | blah |
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| 13:43.36 | nevyn | mt -f /dev/nst0 rewind |
| 13:44.06 | Atula | did that |
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| 13:44.26 | xLobeznox | sorry |
| 13:44.31 | nevyn | tar cvf /dev/nst0 foo |
| 13:44.39 | PerfDave | xLobeznox: When the feeling's gone and you can't go on? |
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| 13:45.35 | Atula | yeah |
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| 13:45.39 | Atula | it's done |
| 13:45.45 | tralala | nevyn: just out of curiosity - can you have more than one tar archive on the tape? |
| 13:45.57 | nevyn | yes |
| 13:46.28 | greycat | if you use the no-rewind device, yes |
| 13:46.31 | nevyn | Atula: mt -f /dev/nst0 status |
| 13:46.41 | Atula | yeah I did that..... |
| 13:46.43 | nevyn | greycat: good point ;) |
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| 13:46.46 | tralala | and how do you access the third archive (let's say)? |
| 13:46.52 | nevyn | Atula: it should show that it's at file marker 1 |
| 13:46.58 | nevyn | tralala: man mt |
| 13:47.06 | nevyn | tralala: it allows motion within the tape. |
| 13:47.14 | tralala | thanks |
| 13:47.14 | nevyn | tralala: including moving forward and back files |
| 13:47.18 | Atula | File number=1 |
| 13:47.22 | nevyn | right |
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| 13:47.32 | Atula | so it's working properly? |
| 13:47.33 | nevyn | Atula: mt rewind |
| 13:47.45 | nevyn | tar tvf /dev/nst0 |
| 13:47.55 | nevyn | Atula: yep. |
| 13:47.56 | nevyn | it works. |
| 13:48.11 | Atula | it's taking a bit but rewound |
| 13:48.41 | nevyn | you can either hack something up in sh/python/whatever or use one of the overkill solutions like umm what's that tape backup thing called... |
| 13:49.09 | Snark | ciao |
| 13:49.09 | PerfDave | AMANDA? |
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| 13:49.13 | nevyn | PerfDave: that one. |
| 13:49.20 | PerfDave | AMANDA is shiny goodness. I wuv it. |
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| 13:49.32 | jm_ | if only it had decent documentation |
| 13:49.36 | greycat | just for the record, I would've tested with a much simpler "cd /; tar cvf /dev/st0 etc" and then "tar tvf /dev/st0" |
| 13:49.47 | tralala | probably if you have to backup the whole microsoft corporation... |
| 13:50.04 | sep__ | PerfDave, isn't that a bit overkill for a new guy and his usb tape drive ? |
| 13:50.26 | caphuso | sep__: no, it's incredibly overkill |
| 13:50.38 | PerfDave | sep__: Dunno. It's nice and easy to set up :) |
| 13:51.36 | Atula | I will go and read more about this |
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| 13:51.44 | sep | i just use rsync to a harddrive rack robot |
| 13:51.51 | nextgens | hi :) |
| 13:52.04 | Atula | I want the thing to back up certain files at a specific time, where should I read/learn about this? |
| 13:52.12 | nextgens | I have got a oops problem with the debian installer on SPARC :< |
| 13:52.14 | Atula | please point me to a direction |
| 13:52.17 | nextgens | may anyone give me its opinion about it ? |
| 13:52.17 | greycat | Atula: man crontab |
| 13:52.21 | nextgens | http://code.bulix.org/165 |
| 13:52.23 | Atula | thank you nevyn and everyone |
| 13:52.23 | sep | Atula, read about the crontab, man cron and man crontab |
| 13:52.30 | nextgens | any idea ? |
| 13:52.49 | Atula | thank you, all. |
| 13:52.56 | tralala | !tell nextgens -about ask |
| 13:53.10 | sep | nextgens, i think #debian-boot might have more clue about the installer |
| 13:53.40 | nextgens | ok, thanks :) |
| 13:54.06 | [timmeh] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:54.52 | tralala | [timmeh]: /msg dpkg find revdep-rebuild |
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| 13:57.10 | [timmeh] | debian:/# dpkg -s revdep-rebuild |
| 13:57.11 | [timmeh] | Package `revdep-rebuild' is not installed and no info is available. |
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| 13:58.17 | LordWolF | one thing |
| 13:58.21 | LordWolF | when i do ifconfig |
| 13:58.23 | LordWolF | what is sit0 |
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| 13:58.50 | caphuso | IPv6 encapsulation device |
| 13:58.54 | lonewolff | hey , sorry to be a pain, but does anyone know a good howto for setting up smtp auth with exim4 on debian, i cant get tls based smtp auth to work :( |
| 13:59.01 | LordWolF | i see eth0 lo and sit0 |
| 13:59.11 | sep | lord_impal, ipv6 in ipv4 tunnel |
| 13:59.38 | caphuso | lonewolff: /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.SMTP-AUTH |
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| 13:59.50 | lonewolff | caphuso: yeah, that was almost no help at all |
| 13:59.57 | petemc | LordWolF: you've looked in /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.SMTP-AUTH |
| 14:00.03 | petemc | gah |
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| 14:00.22 | caphuso | lonewolff: then you didn't read it |
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| 14:00.38 | JRlinux | Thanks to the help on this channel, I now have Sarge running on my old desktop, and it looks beautiful-- clean and neat. I appreciate it. No sound yet, and the display is only 800 x 600, and I miss my favorite news reader, Pan... but I hope to change some of that with this channel's help! |
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| 14:00.46 | LordWolF | no petemc |
| 14:00.58 | greycat | JRlinux: apt-cache show pan |
| 14:01.15 | nevyn | greycat: I like nst0 I don't like things that are "automatic" ;) |
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| 14:01.16 | JRlinux | Thanks, greycat |
| 14:01.23 | sep | JRlinux, /msg dpkg alsa, and /msg dpkg drxx |
| 14:01.28 | nevyn | greycat: which is to say I do like things that are automatic.. |
| 14:01.35 | nevyn | but st0 is an exception. |
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| 14:02.01 | lonewolff | caphuso: the Using exim ad SMTP-AUTH server says it includes examples and then how to add Debian-exim to sasl which i did anyway, it doesnt mention how to get TLS working |
| 14:02.04 | JRlinux | OK sep. Greycat, this has been a net install, so will apt-cache show pan do anything? |
| 14:02.34 | sohn | greycat: is dpkg a bot ? |
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| 14:02.41 | greycat | !bot |
| 14:02.42 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 14:02.48 | sep | JRlinux, it will search the package database for the phrase 'pan' |
| 14:02.51 | PerfDave | JRlinux: apt-cache shows the packages that apt *knows* about, not the ones it has in stalled. Assuming your sources.list is pointing at a sensible repository (which it should be after a netinstall) then it will know about everything in that repository |
| 14:03.06 | greycat | sep: I used show, not search. |
| 14:03.13 | greycat | pan *is* the package name. |
| 14:03.15 | sep | greycat, so you did |
| 14:03.16 | JRlinux | PerfDave, thank you! |
| 14:03.21 | sep | mybad |
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| 14:04.10 | sep | hrmf, not only do i mistype but i cant read strigth either.. think it's time to call it a day. |
| 14:04.16 | caphuso | lonewolff: that's because you don't need to do anything |
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| 14:04.31 | JRlinux | (I have used Linux for a long time (and I should be smarter, I know) but apt-get is totally new to me. |
| 14:04.34 | lonewolff | caphuso: see, now thats what i thot, but it doesnt work |
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| 14:05.04 | AciD|xfld | oi |
| 14:05.07 | caphuso | lonewolff: define "doesnt work" |
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| 14:05.24 | nevyn | JRlinux: delt with yast, yum or up2date? |
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| 14:06.07 | JRlinux | nevyn, yes; did some yum on the Fedora Core1 that Sarge is replacing. |
| 14:06.14 | tralala | JRlinux: try aptitude, it's a bit easier to use |
| 14:06.28 | nevyn | JRlinux: yum and apt are similar. |
| 14:06.36 | JRlinux | OK |
| 14:06.36 | lonewolff | caphuso: well i added log_selector = +tls_cipher +tls_peerdn tls_advertise_hosts = * tls_certificate = CONFDIR/exim.cd tls_privatekey = CONFDIR/exim.key and did update-exim4.conf and restarted exim, then when i try to connect i get a messahe saysin the server does not support tls but is advertising tls logins |
| 14:06.40 | nevyn | JRlinux: but apt is more mature... |
| 14:07.10 | nevyn | JRlinux: the debian equiv of the rpm command is dpkg |
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| 14:07.13 | Dumann | hi |
| 14:07.15 | dondelelcaro | aptitude uses apt, so that's not a terribly usefull distinction. |
| 14:07.22 | JRlinux | I used apt get last night to get X and KDE installed. With everyone's help, that worked fine. Over 400 packages for KDE alone. |
| 14:07.26 | Dumann | i wanna log the iptables in a different file |
| 14:07.27 | Dumann | so i added iptables.* /var/log/test.log to the syslog.conf |
| 14:07.30 | Dumann | but doesnt seem to work |
| 14:07.36 | caphuso | lonewolff: try to connect with what? |
| 14:07.37 | nevyn | JRlinux: and? |
| 14:07.44 | lonewolff | im using kmail atm |
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| 14:08.06 | caphuso | lonewolff: and kmail does the right thing? |
| 14:08.20 | jor | Why would apt-get give an error like '.../binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)'? |
| 14:08.24 | JRlinux | nevyn and it worked great, I guess. I will get used to the lower res 800x600 screen\ |
| 14:08.32 | nevyn | JRlinux: given a package management system that supports automatic state packages (which is a nifty thing that aptitude does) fine grained packaging is awesome |
| 14:08.37 | jor | why is bzip2 even involved when it's a .gz? :) |
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| 14:08.40 | lonewolff | caphuso: i would assume so, but would there be another way to test without installing another mail client? |
| 14:08.42 | dondelelcaro | jor: uh, it better not have given you that error. |
| 14:08.42 | nevyn | JRlinux: don't blame apt that you can't configure X ;) |
| 14:08.49 | Dumann | nobody who knows anybody of the syslog.conf? |
| 14:09.01 | greycat | Dumann: the man knows. |
| 14:09.10 | TBBle | dondelelcaro: I've seen that happen as well.... Although it was some kind of funky Debian/Ubuntu cross... |
| 14:09.18 | Dumann | it doesnt work the way its suppose to, thats why i ask here |
| 14:09.18 | JRlinux | nevyn , I won't. There is plenty of dumb newby between my ears to take all the blame! |
| 14:09.23 | jor | dondelelcaro: well, it did! :) |
| 14:09.28 | TBBle | Uhhh. That was supposed to go to jor. |
| 14:09.29 | Dumann | iptables.* /var/log/test.log doesnt work |
| 14:09.33 | snoke | how i clone data dvd disk? |
| 14:09.41 | nevyn | anyway.. night all |
| 14:09.50 | dondelelcaro | jor: well, the typical reason is that the packages file is corrupted, or it didn't download completely, or it ran out of space. |
| 14:10.12 | JRlinux | And then when I get k3b, I will have 99% of the tools that I use on Linux. |
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| 14:10.26 | TBBle | dondelelcaro: Isn't the problem that it's trying to bunzip2 a .gz file? |
| 14:10.29 | jor | pretty weird, since the list of server/packages.gz that gives that errors keeps changing on each apt-get update :/ |
| 14:10.29 | caphuso | lonewolff: dunno |
| 14:10.31 | greycat | Dumann: with a space? no wonder. it only like tabs. |
| 14:10.52 | greycat | oh wait, the DEBIAN version says "spaces or tabs". so maybe that's a GNU extension. |
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| 14:11.18 | tarzeau | snoke: can readcd work on it? |
| 14:11.27 | tarzeau | snoke: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ for an example |
| 14:11.31 | dondelelcaro | TBBle: possible as well. |
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| 14:11.41 | lonewolff | caphuso: do you use tls based smtp auth? |
| 14:12.08 | snoke | tarzeau: i try it but it's gives lot errors if set "-clone" |
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| 14:12.24 | caphuso | lonewolff: i used to |
| 14:12.49 | bizkit | how can i restore old user accounts and groups and so son? i've got a backup of my complete old /etc |
| 14:12.51 | lonewolff | caphuso: ah ok |
| 14:12.55 | Sontaf | 123 |
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| 14:13.14 | lonewolff | im really looking for someone who does, so i can have a peek at their conf, im at my wits end with this, have everything except smtp auth running fine |
| 14:13.17 | TBBle | jor: The other guy I saw with this problem suggests chaning your deb source from ftp to http. |
| 14:13.41 | jor | TBBle: hmm, i'll try that |
| 14:13.46 | TBBle | jor: However, he was using Ubuntu, so either you're asking in the wrong place, or it's something else, or both Ubuntu and Debian suffer from it. |
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| 14:14.21 | TBBle | jor: Ooops, correction. He changed from http://ftp.<blah> to just http://<blah> apparently. |
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| 14:14.35 | diomac | i moved one of our debian boxes to a new rack earlier and now it fails to boot |
| 14:14.45 | DanC | hmm... nobody seems to be refuting claims that "Debian Struggling With Security" in /. . Is it not worth a bit of the security team's time to dispell some of the FUD? |
| 14:14.46 | jor | TBBle: ftp:// to http:// worked for me :) |
| 14:14.52 | jor | weird |
| 14:14.58 | diomac | says fsck.ext3: Invalid argument while trying to open /dev/md1 |
| 14:15.04 | PerfDave | DanC: Maybe they're busy packaging security updates for Debian ;) |
| 14:15.19 | DanC | but perception is reality, esp. w.r.t. security |
| 14:15.27 | TBBle | jor: That is weird. I would hazard that it identifies the compression type by MIME-type when HTTP, and some broken mechanism via FTP, and defaults to bz2. |
| 14:15.38 | caphuso | DanC: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/secfud-2005-07-06-11-28.html |
| 14:15.48 | xoz | DanC: it's not a claim, the security team themselves are saying this. |
| 14:15.58 | Tuttle_ | In the bash script I have retcode=0 statement, then the cycle cat file|sed|egrep|while read L; do commands; done, then exit $retcode; There is incrementing ((retcode++)) in commands several times. But none is reflected in the return code. How can I make it so? |
| 14:16.31 | jor | TBBle: yeah, probably |
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| 14:17.07 | TBBle | Which provides an answer to the person who asked two or three hours ago the difference between ftp and http for apt-get. |
| 14:17.23 | jor | TBBle: but it's only on certain debian mirrors with ftp://, other entries with ftp in my sources worked fine :/ |
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| 14:17.36 | Atula | WOW, it takes forever to erase a 35 gig Tape |
| 14:17.38 | Atula | sigh |
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| 14:18.05 | DanC | caphuso, thanks for the pointer... I'm a little confused though... is that written by Joey? it refers to Joey in the 3rd person |
| 14:18.07 | TBBle | jor: That _is_ interesting, and completely outfoxes my theories. |
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| 14:18.32 | jor | TBBle: ooh, no. I think I get it. the debian mirrors now also have .bz2. this mirror just didn't have the .bz2 packages file |
| 14:18.35 | Atula | greycat, oh, I just wanted to make it clean.... ah, then again, I'm thinking of it like a hard drive |
| 14:18.38 | greycat | Tuttle_: this is one of the FAQs in the #bash FAQ/Wiki. |
| 14:18.45 | caphuso | DanC: well, who else would use his blog? |
| 14:18.54 | greycat | Tuttle_: http://shelldorado.dyndns.org/wiki/?BashFaq |
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| 14:19.03 | greycat | I think it's #9, but I might be misremembering. |
| 14:19.04 | TBBle | jor: Ah. So I may be right after all. |
| 14:19.06 | DanC | caphuso, he might be quoting somebody |
| 14:19.12 | jor | TBBle: yep |
| 14:19.21 | caphuso | DanC: without attribution? unlikely |
| 14:19.35 | Tuttle_ | greycat: I'm heading to read it, thanks. |
| 14:19.41 | DanC | so Joey himself wrote "with the frustration that must be driving Joey to continually blogging about his troubles"? |
| 14:20.06 | DanC | xoz, the whole debian security team has decided that debian is struggling? or was it just one member blowing off a little steam? |
| 14:20.39 | bizkit | do i just have to cope /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and /etc/groups to restore the old system accounts? what about the same files ending with '-' and 'org' ? |
| 14:20.45 | bizkit | s/cope/copy/ |
| 14:21.02 | TBBle | jor: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316337 |
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| 14:21.35 | DanC | hmm... [[ |
| 14:21.35 | DanC | Press Contact -- <press@debian.org> |
| 14:21.35 | DanC | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.41 | DanC | ]] -- http://www.debian.org/intro/organization |
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| 14:22.09 | xoz | DanC: check linuxtoday.com for the article |
| 14:22.09 | thedude0001 | hi everybody |
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| 14:22.11 | DanC | ah... "incorrectly attributes that page to Martin Schulze." |
| 14:22.18 | jor | TBBle: yep, that's it |
| 14:22.35 | thedude0001 | i just dist-upgraded my sid and got gcc-4.0 with it which is now used by default |
| 14:22.51 | DanC | xoz this one http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39207235,00.htm ? or a different one? |
| 14:22.55 | thedude0001 | any nice way how i can switch this back temporarily to 3.3? |
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| 14:23.01 | caphuso | thedude0001: don |
| 14:23.05 | caphuso | thedude0001: don't use sid |
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| 14:23.40 | TBBle | thedude0001: Change the _default_? Downgrade gcc. |
| 14:23.40 | xam | w00t! no EU s/w patents! |
| 14:23.42 | DanC | ah yes... linuxtoday.com cites the same zdnet article |
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| 14:25.05 | fatal__ | xam: I bet you need to add a "...for now." to that. |
| 14:25.56 | necrite | anyone can help me with one VPN please? |
| 14:26.00 | xoz | DanC: looks similar... the same writer |
| 14:26.02 | DanC | er... so the real problems reported in the zdnet article are (1) the sarge CD image problem, which was fixed in 2 days, and (2) spamassasin and sudo took like a week longer than redhat. |
| 14:26.50 | js_ | thedude0001: if you have both installed, update-alternatives |
| 14:26.56 | caphuso | js_: nonsense |
| 14:27.05 | js_ | caphuso: is that special for gcc-4? |
| 14:27.06 | xam | fatal: not really. There are no plans for new proposals |
| 14:27.10 | caphuso | js_: no |
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| 14:27.28 | xoz | DanC: i think lack of manpower is the main culprit. |
| 14:27.36 | caphuso | gcc has for sanity reasons never been handled by the alternatives system |
| 14:27.50 | greycat | but cc is |
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| 14:27.57 | js_ | caphuso: i got a choice between gcc272 and gcc when i ran it yesterday |
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| 14:28.16 | TBBle | jor: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mvo/arch/ubuntu/apt--fixes--0/patch-12/log The fix mentioned in the bug... The error message's wrong, the problem appears to actually be apt not noticing when the file doesn't exist... |
| 14:28.19 | DanC | xoz, any pointers to your sources of info? I'm curious. |
| 14:28.38 | xoz | DanC: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39200592,00.htm |
| 14:28.50 | js_ | caphuso: it seems gcc272 provides cc |
| 14:29.00 | greycat | js_: cc is handled by alternatives. gcc isn't. |
| 14:29.11 | js_ | greycat: oh, ok |
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| 14:29.47 | DanC | er... you believe that article? the one that thinks Joey's blog is by Martin Schulze ? |
| 14:30.27 | DanC | ugh... lots of spam in http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/07/threads.html |
| 14:30.42 | caphuso | and even cc isn't really handled |
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| 14:30.55 | caphuso | you only get the choice between gcc272 and the current default cc |
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| 14:31.16 | caphuso | s/cc$/gcc/ |
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| 14:32.30 | DanC | now I'm really confused... http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/06/msg00251.html says From: Martin Schulze <joey@infodrom.org> |
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| 14:34.22 | DanC | ah... so there are 2 Joeys... Joey Hess and Martin Schulze |
| 14:34.55 | greycat | Always two there are. The master and the servant. |
| 14:35.03 | xoz | heh |
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| 14:36.56 | TBBle | Hehee. |
| 14:38.07 | DanC | this guy Martin Schulze is the debian press contact?!?! |
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| 14:41.45 | xoz | DanC: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/06/msg00152.html |
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| 14:42.56 | cmihai | Any VariCAD users around? If so, does VariCAD support PovRay export in any way? Or rendering for that matter? I guess you could export to dxf-> pov or something ... |
| 14:43.28 | tarzeau | why oh why does my make-kpkg + initrd packages not work :( |
| 14:43.41 | tarzeau | what i do is here, www.linuks.mine.nu/make-kpkg/readme |
| 14:43.55 | tarzeau | when i boot it i get: ide-core.o insmod ide-detec/ide-disk failed |
| 14:44.04 | tarzeau | pivot_root: no such file or something |
| 14:44.16 | DanC | right, I see now, xoz. hmm. |
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| 14:44.24 | tarzeau | teh /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: no such file |
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| 14:44.32 | tarzeau | kernel panic: attempted to kill init! |
| 14:44.50 | tarzeau | and capslock and scroll lock blink synchronously |
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| 14:45.14 | Allman | Please help! I need to downgrade kdelibs to the previous version in unstable/sid. HOW? |
| 14:45.28 | PerfDave | Allman: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 14:45.43 | PerfDave | Allman: /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 14:46.37 | TBBle | tarzeau: If it can't insmod ide-disk, and you're using ide disks, that'll be why it can't boot your system. |
| 14:46.41 | Allman | PerfDave: yeah, tried pinning, then apt-get upgrade says that the package has been kept back :-( |
| 14:47.01 | PerfDave | Allman: Yes? |
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| 14:47.16 | tarzeau | TBBle: hm http://kerneltrap.org/node/3668 |
| 14:47.51 | Allman | PerfDave: problem is that I have got kdelibs4 3.3.2-7 and I need the previous version.. |
| 14:47.58 | tarzeau | why can't debian ship the latest linux kernels? |
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| 14:48.11 | Allman | and I do not know how I can downgrade.. I have already pinned it in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 14:48.25 | TBBle | tarzeau: Because upgrading kernels causes pain and headaches? |
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| 14:48.45 | tarzeau | TBBle: no it doesn't |
| 14:48.50 | tarzeau | TBBle: (i got GRUB) |
| 14:48.56 | PerfDave | Allman: You can use pinning to downgrade. |
| 14:48.59 | TBBle | tarzeau: Not for you. For the kernel team. |
| 14:49.18 | TBBle | tarzeau: That posting at kerneltrap appears to either have trimmed the actual problem, or is using a seriously broken kernel. |
| 14:49.22 | Allman | PerfDave: yes, but how? Read the manual, did as it said, but then the package is kept back. |
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| 14:49.28 | PerfDave | Allman: Read the manual more :) |
| 14:49.34 | tarzeau | TBBle: i'm trying 2.4.31 |
| 14:49.36 | pi_ | Where should I go for spamassassin bayes help? |
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| 14:49.49 | greycat | pi_: #spamassassin |
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| 14:49.56 | TBBle | At "VFS: Mounted root (cramfs filesystem) readonly." it's working. By ".../ide-core.o: insmod ide-disk failed" it's failed. (Unless ide-disk was built-in to the kernel, which it won't be if it's built off the Debian .config) |
| 14:50.14 | Allman | PerfDave: I have Package: kdelibs | Pin: version 3.3.1 | Pin-Priority: 1001 - apt-get upgrade holds the kdelibs package back.. now what? |
| 14:50.15 | takatumi | tarzeau: dsl upgraded, 256kb. \o/ |
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| 14:50.39 | gogo3or | hello I found this http://www.thawte.com/support/keygen/index.html and is all ok but how to do that the cart will be not asking about password |
| 14:50.42 | gogo3or | thanks |
| 14:51.08 | asg | me twitches |
| 14:51.18 | tarzeau | TBBle: so i rape .config to do ide-core and that's it? |
| 14:51.28 | tarzeau | takatumi: nice for ya! |
| 14:51.39 | TBBle | tarzeau: Wha? That's not what I said at all. I want more error messages, to work out what the actual problem is. |
| 14:52.06 | Johnas | I know this will seem stupid but I cant extract .bz2 files in debian with -xjvf but I can in Slack?? Anyone know why this is?? I have tar installed on debian box.. |
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| 14:52.36 | caphuso | Johnas: is bzip2 installed? |
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| 14:52.47 | greycat | Johnas: is it potato? |
| 14:52.52 | TBBle | tarzeau: So far we've seen the last part of the failure 'insmod ide-disk failed' and the subsequenty failure of all you hold precious in a boot, but not why it failed to insmod. |
| 14:52.58 | tarzeau | TBBle: i've told you all i got. i can give you .config files |
| 14:53.18 | Johnas | greycat: I thought that would be included with tar.. hold on |
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| 14:54.10 | Delph | Johnas: no, it's not required, it's a Suggests: |
| 14:54.16 | TBBle | tarzeau: If that's all you got, then your kernel's boned hard. _Hard_. Try using a Debian kernel instead. |
| 14:54.41 | tarzeau | TBBle: the debian kernel is fine. 2.4.27 but i want a 2.4.31 |
| 14:55.03 | cmihai | Know of any PovRay debian packages ? |
| 14:55.05 | Johnas | greycat: yep I found it.. thanks I appreciate it |
| 14:55.15 | PerfDave | cmihai: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:55.26 | jvw | cmihai: packages.debian.org/povray |
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| 14:55.32 | cmihai | Thanks. |
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| 14:55.35 | TBBle | tarzeau: Well, there's something wrong if it can't load ide-disk, and it doesn't have any messages before that point either. |
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| 14:55.49 | tarzeau | TBBle: i don't give up... |
| 14:56.12 | TBBle | tarzeau: Well, reboot, and see if you missed four or five pages of kernel boot logs. |
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| 14:56.49 | tarzeau | TBBle: if you have iMac iSight .mac account i can show you it all realtime with iChat |
| 14:57.03 | tarzeau | i can even make sounds to the linux kernel messages if you want |
| 14:57.14 | dirk | is there a script/program in debian to manually "guess" the needed modules for /etc/mkinitrd/modules ? |
| 14:57.59 | TBBle | tarzeau: That's fascinating. Not having an iMac, a .mac account, or a copy of MacOS (I _do_ have a G4 here, but it's a Sarge box awaiting a new purpose) it doesn't help much. |
| 14:58.17 | TBBle | What I want is the lines right before 'unable to load ide-disk' progressing backwards until we establish _why_ it can't do that. |
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| 14:58.39 | tarzeau | TBBle: ok i try it again |
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| 14:59.48 | tarzeau | TBBle: the lines before are: |
| 15:00.02 | tarzeau | TBBle: NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0. |
| 15:00.09 | tarzeau | initrd-tools: 0.1.81.1 |
| 15:00.22 | tarzeau | Freeing unused kernel memory: 120k freed |
| 15:00.31 | tarzeau | VFS: Mounted root (cramfs filesystem). |
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| 15:02.02 | tarzeau | TBBle: does that help? more lines before? |
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| 15:02.58 | TBBle | tarzeau: OK. Open up the initrd, and see if you've got ide-disk.o and the various related modules. |
| 15:03.02 | TBBle | tarzeau: Uh, wait a sec. |
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| 15:03.19 | DwellsHere | what's going on with phpbb2? The latest release is 2.0.16, yet the one I have just installed this weekend is 2.0.13-6 or something, an no security updates are forthcoming :S |
| 15:03.56 | TBBle | tarzeau: I just remembered. Debian 2.4 modularises the IDE subsystem, while in the stock kernel you can only have them in or out. So you've currently got no IDE drivers in your kernel. Did you remember to run oldconfig on the Debian .config before you built against it? |
| 15:04.07 | itshkay | I wanna play wipe out but Idont have twisted UMD ..only twisted metal umd is required? |
| 15:04.17 | asg | DwellsHere: fixes are backported |
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| 15:04.55 | DwellsHere | asg, you'll have to forgive, I'm new to this game, does this mean that version 6 of 2.0.13 is as secure as 2.0.16? |
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| 15:05.27 | asg | DwellsHere: no, it means that the 2.0.13 version in sarge has backported fixes from 2.0.16. |
| 15:05.28 | tarzeau2 | TBBle: what did you say? |
| 15:05.31 | jvw | DwellsHere: debian is not vulnerable to any of the current stuff |
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| 15:05.44 | asg | DwellsHere: debian doesn't introduce new packages in stable |
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| 15:06.07 | TBBle | tarzeau2: I just remembered. Debian 2.4 modularises the IDE subsystem, while in the stock kernel you can only have them in or out. So you've currently got no IDE drivers in your kernel. Did you remember to run oldconfig on the Debian .config before you built against it? |
| 15:06.28 | DwellsHere | asg, thanks. jvw, thanks again. That's all I really needed to know. I'll have a look online properly once I get gnome compiled |
| 15:07.10 | PerfDave | !wayc DwellsHere |
| 15:07.11 | dpkg | DwellsHere: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 15:07.34 | tarzeau | TBBle: yes i've run make oldconfig of course |
| 15:07.37 | DwellsHere | dpkg, I'm playing with gentoo :> |
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| 15:07.58 | takatumi | !gentoosmite DwellsHere |
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| 15:08.20 | DwellsHere | jeezus .. do all your pets bite? |
| 15:08.20 | Raf256 | !wayttd DwellsHere |
| 15:08.21 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, DwellsHere? |
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| 15:08.57 | DwellsHere | I'm trying to set up a recording studio |
| 15:08.57 | sigma957 | is there a way to downgrade a package to an earlier version? |
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| 15:09.22 | takatumi | DwellsHere: all built on open source stuff? |
| 15:09.53 | TBBle | tarzeau: OK. Run menuconfig, and turn your ide drivers back on. Then revise the mkinitrd script to know about the fact you're using a non-modularised IDE setup. (This might not be neccessary). Or compile in IDE and the FS of your root file system, and forget the initrd |
| 15:09.59 | DwellsHere | takatumi, yeah. I've done it with fedora before, but I was hoping gentoo would be faster (and more stable) |
| 15:10.17 | PerfDave | DwellsHere: Why are you asking about Debian packages on #debian if you're using Gentoy? |
| 15:10.24 | takatumi | DwellsHere: you should try testing on it probably. |
| 15:10.28 | bobwJek | anybody know an Open Src tool for remote desktop |
| 15:10.38 | PerfDave | bobwJek: x? |
| 15:10.39 | sohn | freenx |
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| 15:10.52 | tarzeau | TBBle: i do make menuconfig and then again the make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image right? could you help me find the right thing in menuconfig? |
| 15:10.58 | TBBle | tarzeau: Yup. |
| 15:11.00 | DwellsHere | PerfDave, I'm setting up a jazz website on a deb server here, before I transfer it to a proper place somewhere |
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| 15:11.10 | takatumi | DwellsHere: testing as in 'etch' |
| 15:11.23 | bobwJek | PerfDave, no, something like webex or GoTo MyPc |
| 15:11.25 | TBBle | tarzeau: Uhh, I don't remember 2.4's config. Try Block Devices Disks IDE etc. |
| 15:11.33 | PerfDave | bobwJek: VNC? |
| 15:11.37 | tarzeau | TBBle: ide block devices and then? |
| 15:11.42 | takatumi | tarzeau: use less on the .config and then search the menu tree based on it. |
| 15:11.45 | Atula | how do I set permission so that a user can upload files via vsftp (spare me the talk about ftp security) |
| 15:11.48 | sohn | bobwJek: freenx is in the kanotix repos. |
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| 15:11.52 | tarzeau | stuff like that * instead M ? <M> Include IDE/ATA-2 DISK support |
| 15:12.20 | Atula | I used vsftp, created accounts for people to read and list.... but cannot upload. how do I fix it? |
| 15:12.24 | TBBle | tarzeau: Hmm. Maybe you _can_ modularise it under later 2.4? |
| 15:12.36 | DwellsHere | takatumi, is 'etch' some level of package in gentoo or something? |
| 15:12.49 | TBBle | tarzeau: Look in /lib/modules/2.4.31/kernel/ and see if you have ide-mod, ide-disk, some ide drivers, and ext3 etc. |
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| 15:13.16 | dvd^-^ | yop all |
| 15:13.19 | takatumi | DwellsHere: no it's the next stable release of debian, currently testing. |
| 15:13.24 | dvd^-^ | need help |
| 15:13.30 | dvd^-^ | y a des francais ? |
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| 15:13.37 | dvd^-^ | specialise en mandrake fr ? |
| 15:13.51 | tarzeau | TBBle: yeah ide-disk and -core are there |
| 15:14.02 | tarzeau | TBBle: also ext2 and ext3 |
| 15:14.12 | sohn | dvd^-^: non |
| 15:14.27 | Ekaterin | Has anyone else had trouble installing gnus on sarge machines? |
| 15:14.28 | TBBle | tarzeau: OK. Now mount the initrd, and see if they're in _it_. |
| 15:14.32 | abrotman | uhm .. noone noticed he seems to be trolling |
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| 15:14.44 | Ekaterin | I get the error message: emacs-package-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/gnus xemacs21 emacs20 emacs21 xemacs21 failed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-package-install line 30, <TSORT> line 1. |
| 15:15.05 | ph8 | Is there a different way to check your mail on a debian shell that i don't know about? |
| 15:15.12 | ph8 | 'mail' is causing an 'unknown command' |
| 15:15.20 | abrotman | elmo / mutt / mail ? |
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| 15:15.56 | ph8 | No none work |
| 15:16.03 | ph8 | I know i have mail from looking in /var/spool |
| 15:16.08 | ph8 | but I can't find a binary to access it |
| 15:16.14 | abrotman | !find bin/mail |
| 15:16.15 | asg | ph8: then install one |
| 15:16.33 | tarzeau | TBBle: let me see... |
| 15:16.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/mail' (9 of 43): (/usr/bin/mailp) in text/mp ;; (/usr/sbin/mailer) in admin/john ;; (/usr/bin/mailrm) in mail/masqmail ;; (/usr/bin/mailto) in mail/metamail ;; (/usr/bin/mail.local) in net/ktalkd ;; (/usr/bin/mailsync) in mail/mailsync ;; (/usr/bin/mailleds) in mail/mailleds ;; (/usr/bin/mailstat) in mail/procmail ;; (/usr/bin/mailcheck) in mail/mailcheck. |
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| 15:16.37 | abrotman | yay |
| 15:16.42 | abrotman | !botsnack |
| 15:16.50 | abrotman | uhm |
| 15:16.55 | abrotman | we don't feed the bots anymore ? |
| 15:17.10 | takatumi | mailx is probably what you need. |
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| 15:17.51 | ph8 | abrotman: I don't have mailcheck/mailp |
| 15:17.52 | cmatheson | does anyone know what column in /proc/stat that context-switches are? |
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| 15:17.59 | ph8 | asg: That's a good idea but I can't find a package |
| 15:18.04 | asg | ph8: apt-get install mutt |
| 15:18.08 | ph8 | ty |
| 15:18.50 | ^chris | hey guys i'm trying to lock this debian system down, xwindows is running on 6005 (nmap, nexpose show), losf | grep 6005 gives me nothing, ideas ? |
| 15:19.27 | ph8 | mutt </path/to/spool>? |
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| 15:19.38 | takatumi | ^chris: tried a padlock? |
| 15:19.58 | ^chris | no what's that |
| 15:20.35 | takatumi | ^chris: never mind. :) |
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| 15:20.50 | asg | ph8: man mutt ; /MAIL |
| 15:20.53 | Atula | can someone help me set the permission of a folder so that ftp users (vsftpd) can upload files? |
| 15:20.57 | TBBle | ^chris: Ports are found with netstat -anp, rather than lsof. |
| 15:21.03 | error403 | takatumi, lol |
| 15:21.18 | DwellsHere | Atula: do you just mean +X permissions? |
| 15:21.29 | Atula | is that for upload? |
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| 15:21.38 | Atula | that's for reading the folder isn't it? |
| 15:21.46 | DwellsHere | +X gives the owner permissions to read the folder |
| 15:21.50 | ^chris | TBBle: oh thanks |
| 15:21.54 | DwellsHere | I don't understand the question |
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| 15:22.02 | sigma957 | is there a way to downgrade a package to an earlier version? |
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| 15:22.25 | TBBle | !tell sigma957 about downgrade |
| 15:22.26 | abrotman | !find bin/mail$ |
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| 15:22.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/mail' (2): (/usr/bin/mail) in mail/mailutils,mail/mailx ;; (/usr/share/linpac/bin/mail) in hamradio/linpac. |
| 15:22.40 | abrotman | you mean +x ? |
| 15:22.42 | DwellsHere | Atula: err, permissions for ftp, as far as I know, are the same as for local access |
| 15:22.45 | Atula | DwellsHere, I want users to UPLOAD files... they can all read |
| 15:22.48 | agentbob | is there an upgrade faq / breakages to be aware of? |
| 15:22.52 | Atula | yeah that's what I tought |
| 15:23.00 | sigma957 | TBBle: thanks |
| 15:23.00 | Atula | 755 should be good |
| 15:23.04 | Atula | but it's not working |
| 15:23.12 | Atula | peope can download and stuff... but not upload |
| 15:23.19 | TBBle | agentbob: Between releases? Release notes. Between random debs? install apt-listchange and apt-showbugs |
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| 15:23.54 | Atula | any ideas? |
| 15:24.00 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 15:24.00 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of rabid ostriches. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 15:24.12 | agentbob | TBBle: cool found the release notes for 3.1 =) no serious problems reporting for upgrading? |
| 15:24.18 | Atula | same old greycat |
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| 15:24.31 | ^chris | hrm why would Xvfb be listening on 6005 |
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| 15:24.43 | greycat | !wikifaq Atula Permissions |
| 15:24.43 | dpkg | Atula: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:24.48 | greycat | but even that may be too advanced for you. |
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| 15:24.56 | greycat | it sounds like you don't know ANYTHING about users, groups, etc. |
| 15:25.06 | DwellsHere | Atula, the folder needs to have write access enabled for users to upload. |
| 15:25.30 | Atula | DwellsHere, thanks. I wish it was that simple |
| 15:25.32 | greycat | more specifically, the *user who is doing the file writing* needs write permission on the directory. |
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| 15:25.35 | tarzeau | TBBle: shouldn't this work? mount -o loop initrd.img-2.4.31 /mnt |
| 15:25.46 | DwellsHere | listen to greycat, atula |
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| 15:26.40 | Atula | yeah I got that..... |
| 15:26.46 | Atula | sigh |
| 15:27.03 | stew | < Atula> DwellsHere, thanks. I wish it was that simple |
| 15:27.05 | stew | you are in luck |
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| 15:27.22 | tarzeau | d/win 11 |
| 15:27.36 | takatumi | stew: did you take the 'sigh' into consideration as well? |
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| 15:27.47 | stew | nope |
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| 15:29.36 | TBBle | agentbob: As long as you follow the instructions there, hopefully not. I haven't done it myself yet mind you. |
| 15:29.53 | TBBle | tarzeau: How's it not work? |
| 15:30.11 | tarzeau | TBBle: ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy |
| 15:30.12 | tarzeau | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 15:30.31 | TBBle | tarzeau: Try adding -t cram, although the other message worries me more. |
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| 15:30.53 | tarzeau | TBBle: mount: unknown filesystem type 'cram' |
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| 15:31.56 | tarzeau | TBBle: if i strings the initrd image i can see "ide-core" |
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| 15:32.16 | TBBle | tarzeau: Uh, do you have cramfs in /proc/filesystems? |
| 15:32.19 | Trev1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:32.41 | tarzeau | TBBle: nope sorry (default debian kernel, 2.4.27-2-686) |
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| 15:32.58 | TBBle | tarzeau: modprobe cramfs? |
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| 15:33.13 | cddesjar | i have two questions |
| 15:33.18 | cmatheson | if a file is changing rapdily (many times a second), but i need to change one line in it... how could that be done? (vim won't let me because it is unable to sync) |
| 15:33.23 | cddesjar | first...how do i edit the debian menu? |
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| 15:33.47 | cddesjar | second....about every 1 out of 10 times I start X my computer crashes and horizontal lines flicker on and off |
| 15:33.50 | greycat | cmatheson: ed, sed, grep, awk, ... |
| 15:33.54 | cddesjar | i mean vertical lines |
| 15:34.02 | tarzeau | TBBle: modprobe: Can't locate module cramfs |
| 15:34.07 | cmatheson | greycat: can i do that to /proc/stat? |
| 15:34.14 | greycat | cmatheson: and what do you mean "many times a second"? what in god's name are you *doing*? |
| 15:34.15 | cddesjar | i am nervous that this will crash my computer so i'll lose all my info. |
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| 15:34.49 | cmatheson | greycat: haha, the problem is that the stinking ctxt value in /proc/stat is too big to be read by snmp... i need to set it back down to 0 |
| 15:34.55 | cmatheson | greycat: is that plausible? |
| 15:35.05 | greycat | cmatheson: um. how do you propose to do that? |
| 15:35.11 | greycat | it's not a FILE, you know. |
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| 15:35.12 | TBBle | tarzeau: Gonna make it hard to diagnose... You could turn on the interrupt delay in mkinitrd's config, rebuild the initrd, and do the modprobe by hand, but I don't recommend trying to fake the entire boot by hand. ^_^ |
| 15:35.25 | cmatheson | greycat: that's what i'm looking into |
| 15:35.27 | tarzeau | TBBle: ok i give up |
| 15:35.32 | TBBle | tarzeau: Otherwise, maybe time for a 2.6 kernel? Or stick with the Debian kernel. |
| 15:35.34 | greycat | cmatheson: ask a linux kernel hacker channel, I guess. |
| 15:35.42 | cmatheson | greycat: is there a "nicer" way to do that? |
| 15:35.42 | greycat | cmatheson: or better yet, fix snmp. |
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| 15:35.55 | greycat | cmatheson: nicer than what? reading the linux source? maybe some nice kernel hacker will document it. |
| 15:35.58 | greycat | some day. |
| 15:36.01 | greycat | maybe. |
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| 15:37.11 | greycat | cmatheson: is there any other way you can get the information you desire, besides the /proc/stat pseudofile? perhaps using sysctl? |
| 15:37.15 | cddesjar | how do i edit the debian menu? |
| 15:37.34 | symerian | anyone knows what this : "TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer [IP]/53388 shrinks window 2183235680:2183238432. Repaired" means ? |
| 15:37.42 | cddesjar | azureus was not added when i installed it nor was crossoffice |
| 15:37.48 | abrotman | cddesjar: WHICH debian menu ? |
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| 15:38.18 | cddesjar | abrotman: the debian menu, not the KDE menu. for example, i am trying to edit the menu in window maker |
| 15:38.21 | cddesjar | but i can't |
| 15:38.38 | cddesjar | the debian application menu i guess |
| 15:38.48 | TBBle | symerian: Google for it, you should find plenty of discussion. |
| 15:38.49 | abrotman | cddesjar: i haven't tried in a while .. but last i did .. had to learn about the debian menu system |
| 15:39.04 | abrotman | !tell cddesjar about menu |
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| 15:39.18 | cddesjar | abrotman: i had docs, man, and so on and i can't figure it out...i have tried everything! |
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| 15:40.06 | abrotman | cddesjar: i just edited the menu files directly .. and then i discovered minicommander .. and stopped caring :) |
| 15:40.30 | cddesjar | abrotman: what file did you edit? |
| 15:40.53 | abrotman | cddesjar: the one i wanted to change :) |
| 15:41.01 | abrotman | cddesjar: sorry i'm being vague .. it's been a while |
| 15:41.04 | cddesjar | abrotman: lol |
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| 15:41.24 | cddesjar | abrotman: ok...my understanding is that the debian menu is the menu that is used throughout all the window managers |
| 15:41.31 | abrotman | cddesjar: yes |
| 15:41.32 | abrotman | !menu |
| 15:41.32 | dpkg | menu is, like, the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 15:41.47 | rking | cddesjar: man update-menus; look towards the bottom sections, where "FILES" always is in manpages |
| 15:41.51 | tarzeau | TBBle: i try a 2.6.12.2 kernel , debian one is too old again |
| 15:42.02 | cddesjar | rking: ok thanks |
| 15:42.06 | greycat | tarzeau: too old for what? |
| 15:42.23 | pingpong | greycat, could you put about the EU Software Patent vote in the topic? |
| 15:42.27 | tarzeau | greycat: local users and security? |
| 15:42.33 | abrotman | pingpong: why ? |
| 15:42.42 | greycat | pingpong: is it related to Debian? |
| 15:42.42 | tarzeau | greycat: you think the debian kernel 2.4.27 is secure for local users? |
| 15:42.47 | cmatheson | greycat: i'm not sure... the main problem is just getting it over the network through cacti (the /proc/vmstat info) |
| 15:42.50 | greycat | tarzeau: I don't know. is it? |
| 15:43.04 | pingpong | greycat, yes, it determines whether its usual in the EU or not. |
| 15:43.12 | TBBle | tarzeau: I think you're approaching this the wrong way... Are you sure you don't want to try a different distro, more in line with your personal perferences of stability and knowledge VS higher version numbers? |
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| 15:43.18 | tarzeau | greycat: i think, but i'm not sure |
| 15:43.19 | greycat | cmatheson: I don't know anything about snmp or cactuses. how are you feeding the data to whatever is collecting it? |
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| 15:43.27 | pingpong | greycat, s/usual/usable/ |
| 15:43.31 | tarzeau | TBBle: no, i know i want debian, for sure |
| 15:43.54 | greycat | pingpong: uh. how? |
| 15:44.09 | cmatheson | greycat: it's all just based on the net-snmp stuff... it automatically reads the information in from /proc (i can't configure that), and then i've written a bunch of shell scripts to feed the snmp data to cacti |
| 15:44.24 | cmatheson | greycat: if there was some other way to get that information through the network, i could just ditch snmp |
| 15:44.48 | greycat | cmatheson: so file a bug report with whatever's reading the info from /proc and choking on it. |
| 15:44.57 | greycat | cmatheson: you could also fix it yourself and include a patch |
| 15:45.02 | pingpong | greycat, if debian contains patented in the EU then it wouldn't be freely redistributable. |
| 15:45.23 | TBBle | tarzeau: Well, at least with 2.6 you've got a better chance of it working, more of the neccessary features are in the stock kernel. But keep in mind when wildly reaching for the highest-numbered thing in sight, that the Debian initrd requires devfs, and you need the current udev in sid for 2.6.12 or 2.6.13 onwards. (I forget which) |
| 15:45.24 | greycat | pingpong: uh. the US has software patents. yet people in the US run Debian. |
| 15:45.26 | cmatheson | greycat: yeah, i guess i'll start work on that |
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| 15:46.44 | pingpong | greycat, yeah, but for how long? If they had got software patents in the EU then they can tighten their grip on things. |
| 15:46.54 | tarzeau | TBBle: i think i'll just use stock debian kernels, and have a backup of all data |
| 15:47.34 | TBBle | tarzeau: That sounds like the best way to achieve what I think you want to acheive, being a stable, running system that doesnt' require more maintenance than your dayjoy |
| 15:47.38 | TBBle | dayjob. |
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| 15:47.42 | greycat | pingpong: the only effect it's had is that LAME isn't packaged. |
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| 15:47.55 | greycat | pingpong: so find a different war... |
| 15:48.13 | Kid_Sk8 | how to, connect my camera on debian |
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| 15:48.23 | greycat | depends on the camera. |
| 15:48.36 | petemc | Kid_Sk8: gphoto2 is worth a try |
| 15:48.42 | Kid_Sk8 | Olympus D-545 |
| 15:48.49 | tarzeau | Kid_Sk8: camera.app ? |
| 15:48.56 | orjan | I know I have done it before but now I can't find it. What to google on when I get iptables log on screen? |
| 15:48.59 | Kid_Sk8 | ? |
| 15:49.11 | Kid_Sk8 | hmmm |
| 15:49.22 | petemc | orjan: /msg dpkg printk console |
| 15:49.32 | orjan | petemc: thanks |
| 15:49.38 | bobwJek | sohn,.... .i got bounced and couldnt read your message about the remote desktop |
| 15:49.41 | pingpong | greycat, guess the FSF think its important: http://www.fsf.org/news/patents-defeated.html |
| 15:50.01 | greycat | pingpong: I'm not saying it's unimportant in the world at large. it's just not important to Debian, right now, today. |
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| 15:50.17 | greycat | certainly not important enough to be in the /topic |
| 15:50.28 | greycat | if you want to add a factoid to dpkg, go ahead |
| 15:50.44 | petemc | its all over the news anyway.. |
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| 15:51.30 | greycat | "EU Legislators Less Stupid Than US Ones" |
| 15:51.38 | petemc | heh |
| 15:51.56 | ^chris | heh what did you guys think of the slashdotted zdnet article on debian security yesterday, my CTO just sent me an email about it |
| 15:52.02 | petemc | maybe the big corporates have more sway in the US.. |
| 15:52.15 | asg | ^chris: read Joey's Rant on Planet |
| 15:52.21 | ^chris | i did |
| 15:52.30 | bobwJek | ^chris, please paste a linlk |
| 15:52.32 | bobwJek | ^chris, please paste a link |
| 15:52.42 | ^chris | http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/07/05/217225.shtml?tid=90&tid=172 |
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| 15:53.02 | greycat | pingpong: that FSF page has one sentence on it. |
| 15:53.03 | ^chris | asg: er wait joey's response on his home page or ? |
| 15:53.03 | Fluten | maybe it's whoever spends the most on their campaign, is usually the one who gets elected |
| 15:53.11 | greycat | oh jesus. |
| 15:53.18 | asg | ^chris: planet.debian.org scarfs his rss |
| 15:53.32 | maher | greycat: you are so wrong - see everyone cares about the eu patents :) |
| 15:53.34 | Fluten | you don't want to vote for someone you never see ads for on tv, you know |
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| 15:54.01 | petemc | Fluten: is that a joke? |
| 15:54.06 | Fluten | yes |
| 15:54.10 | petemc | cool :) |
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| 15:55.15 | ^chris | hrm is it possible to make Xvfb not listen on port 6000 + $DISPLAY ? |
| 15:55.46 | ^chris | oh hrm nolisten tcp |
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| 15:56.49 | grendal_prime | anyone every had fetchmail...just NOT fetch? |
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| 15:57.07 | grendal_prime | i mean it works..but only when i login via like webmin and then force it to check |
| 15:57.38 | sohn | bobwJek: I think i misunderstood you. With freenx it is from my understanding not possible that several people work on the same screen. For that try vnc ! |
| 15:57.49 | greycat | grendal_prime: fetchmail -v --keep |
| 15:58.05 | grendal_prime | hmm |
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| 15:58.17 | grendal_prime | that go into the config? |
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| 15:58.25 | greycat | grendal_prime: no, it's how you DEBUG it. |
| 15:58.43 | greycat | you ALWAYS run fetchmail -v --keep to test your configs before you let it delete your mail for real. |
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| 15:59.02 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: have you tried that game? |
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| 15:59.50 | grendal_prime | ooo...ya ya ya...well basically thats not a problem..and the verbose output works fine...the problem is, it simply checks that one time..then does not check again? |
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| 15:59.59 | linoleum_ | hello , I got a problem : I try to mount my usb Key but I can't move something, because it told me that it's on a Read only ... but there is not the "ro" option in my /etc/fstab ... I dont inderstand why I can't delete something |
| 16:00.07 | shurik | How do I search for files in a directory which 0 bytes in size and once I find these files I want to automatically remove them? |
| 16:00.20 | greycat | grendal_prime: you have to run it for it to do anything. |
| 16:00.30 | greycat | grendal_prime: man fetchmail, man crontab, whatever. choose. |
| 16:00.44 | grendal_prime | ok so it dows need a cron job |
| 16:00.52 | grendal_prime | does..thats what i was wondering |
| 16:00.56 | greycat | that is one way. |
| 16:01.22 | greycat | hence the verb "choose" in my previous statement. |
| 16:01.35 | grendal_prime | hmm...well im migrating some email services from a fedor machine..i didnt have to set it up like that on the fedora machines |
| 16:01.47 | grendal_prime | so...just figured id ask |
| 16:01.57 | TBBle | grendal_prime: Are you using a user-local fgetchmail configuration, or a system wide one? /usr/share/doc/fetchmail/README.Debian.gz |
| 16:02.34 | shurik | How do I search for files in a directory which 0 bytes in size and once I find these files I want to automatically remove them? |
| 16:02.36 | grendal_prime | well i have a fetchmailrc file for the user... |
| 16:02.37 | TBBle | linoleum_: Does 'mount' tell you it's ro? Maybe your USB key is set to write-protect? |
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| 16:03.44 | TBBle | grendal_prime: In that case, you have to arrange for it to be run by that user as neccessary. |
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| 16:04.01 | xoz | shurik: man find |
| 16:04.17 | Darien | I know there's an app that lists libraries which are not depended on, but I forget what it's called... can't find it in apt, anyone know? |
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| 16:04.34 | greycat | Darien: deborphan |
| 16:04.36 | shurik | find won't work |
| 16:04.38 | Darien | yes, thanks |
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| 16:04.50 | greycat | shurik: wrong. |
| 16:04.57 | icyfire0573 | shurik: man find, then rm `find -(options needed) | xargs` |
| 16:05.05 | greycat | icyfire0573: ARRRRGGGHGHHHG!!!!! NO!! |
| 16:05.17 | icyfire0573 | whoops, whats wrong with that greycat ? |
| 16:05.25 | shurik | greycat what would you know |
| 16:05.30 | greycat | we can only hope that your command will fail somehow before you *really* fuck things |
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| 16:05.37 | hippie | shurik: why doesn't find work? |
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| 16:05.40 | xoz | shurik: find -size 0c -exec rm {} \; |
| 16:05.56 | deadcat | where are the info about the new apt-get secure stuff? like new options |
| 16:06.14 | xoz | shurik: find <dir> -size 0c -exec rm {} \; |
| 16:06.49 | icyfire0573 | xoz, its got a -delete function , would you look at that |
| 16:06.57 | [timmeh] | when i install the defult debian package for webmin i get: Error - Bad Request |
| 16:06.57 | [timmeh] | This web server is running in SSL mode. Try the URL https://debian:10000/ instead. |
| 16:07.02 | [timmeh] | how can i fix that? |
| 16:07.04 | glick | hey does anyone know how to add page number to an oppen office document starting at a certain page with a certain number? |
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| 16:07.19 | [timmeh] | https://216.32.67.106:10000/ dosn't work either |
| 16:07.20 | deadcat | [timmeh]: try the damn url |
| 16:07.37 | shurik | xoz: thanks |
| 16:07.43 | deadcat | [timmeh]: localhost:100000 ? |
| 16:08.08 | [timmeh] | im not conencting from my computer |
| 16:08.10 | xoz | icyfire0573: yep but -exec provides more options as far as <command> is concerned |
| 16:08.11 | hippie | jeeze. |
| 16:08.16 | [timmeh] | its on a dedicated amchine |
| 16:08.18 | diomac | i have a server that wasn't closed down cleanly, and wants to fsck on reboot, but the raid devices aren't assembled at that stage and it bombs to the maintance term, if i control+d for normal boot is boots but its sick |
| 16:08.28 | diomac | can i reassable the md's and then fsck them and reboot? |
| 16:08.38 | icyfire0573 | xoz: yea, i didn't even realize find was so flexible, i usually just do find ./|grep (whatever) |
| 16:08.42 | diomac | or do i have to rebuild the box? |
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| 16:09.05 | greycat | icyfire0573: and that WILL FAIL HORRIBLY AND PAINFULLY when you have spaces in the filenames. At least with those accurs้d backquotes around it! |
| 16:09.46 | icyfire0573 | greycat: good point, sorry it was the first thing that came to mind :-/ |
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| 16:10.21 | greycat | if you want the xargs form of deleting for speed, here it is: find . -blah blah -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 16:10.24 | greycat | NO backticks. |
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| 16:10.26 | TBBle | find's -print0 makes a really handy accompaniant to xarg's -0... |
| 16:10.27 | ethics | whats the command for monting a samaba share and can i fstab it? |
| 16:10.33 | greycat | NO omitting the -print0/-0 |
| 16:10.34 | TBBle | Ah, beat me to it. |
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| 16:11.00 | greycat | ethics: fstab can't handle spaces in the directory names, if that's an issue in your case |
| 16:11.04 | icyfire0573 | alright, thanks for that bit of info |
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| 16:11.42 | ethics | greycat: no issue yet just about to start mounting some windows shares...all 8 character shares no spaces hehe |
| 16:11.46 | maher | ethics mount -t smbfs, yes |
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| 16:11.57 | Dumann | Question: how do I know to what logfile iptables LOG --log-prefix logs? |
| 16:11.59 | greycat | ethics: once you have the mount command, you can convert it into an fstab line |
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| 16:12.10 | ethics | maher, cheers 8) |
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| 16:12.20 | Ungy | hmm I just used unzip to unzip a file but now I cannot find the files I unziped |
| 16:12.28 | ethics | greycat, excellent 8) thanks muchly |
| 16:12.31 | greycat | awwwww... lost his files, has he. |
| 16:12.59 | maher | diomac: do you boot off raid? |
| 16:13.02 | shurik | All of you , shut the fsck up and stop trolling |
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| 16:13.07 | shurik | :) |
| 16:13.16 | diomac | maher nope |
| 16:13.16 | greycat | you could do an "unzip -v" on the zipfile and see where they *should* have gone. |
| 16:13.23 | diomac | hda1 |
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| 16:13.25 | Ungy | ahh thanks |
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| 16:14.06 | maher | diomac: so boot, reassemble the raid, fsck it... |
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| 16:14.51 | diomac | maher so i can just do mdadm --assemble /dev/md/0 /dev/hda3 /dev/hdc3 ? |
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| 16:15.24 | rking | i'm having trouble pinning to my local repository: I have a Release file, which just has one line "Archive: zumbit", and then my localhost has /etc/apt/preferences like this: Package: * Pin: release a=zumbit Pin-Priority: 900 does that look sane? |
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| 16:16.58 | glick | hey does open office have a channel on here? |
| 16:17.00 | pingpong | greycat, Does Debian use progress bars? http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/untruths/mother.html |
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| 16:17.57 | grendal_prime | ya greycat |
| 16:18.01 | greycat | pingpong: everything you say may have validity in the long run, but Debian is in widespread use in the US despite it all. |
| 16:18.18 | grendal_prime | thanks for the input the other servers use cron job to acomplish this on a min basis |
| 16:18.21 | grendal_prime | fetchmail -s -f /root/.fetchmailrc |
| 16:18.25 | glick | does anyone know how to add decent page numbers to an open office document? |
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| 16:18.29 | greycat | pingpong: maybe we're just a country full of crimi^H^H^H^H^Hfree-spirited thinkers |
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| 16:18.39 | glick | i can add 1 feild per page containing the page number |
| 16:18.49 | glick | what kina stupid shit is that |
| 16:18.49 | ThePiratemaster | where does debian store the files downloaded with lynx? |
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| 16:19.04 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: wherever you told it to. |
| 16:19.10 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: it defaults to the current dir. |
| 16:19.22 | diomac | the pwd |
| 16:19.23 | ThePiratemaster | i just said download and it didnt ask |
| 16:19.31 | ThePiratemaster | tnx |
| 16:19.39 | greycat | it asks after the transfer is completed IIRC |
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| 16:19.52 | greycat | Download options: |
| 16:19.53 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.53 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.59 | greycat | Enter a filename: stable-security.html |
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| 16:21.52 | bororo | wrong port |
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| 16:23.27 | ethics | greycat: mount -t smbfs username=administrator,rw,password=XXXXXX,ip=192.168.10.200 /data /media/usb/ look about right? |
| 16:23.28 | bororo | is there a linux mail client that can do a remote scan like pegasus or foxmail? |
| 16:24.18 | greycat | ethics: I don't know. does it work? |
| 16:24.20 | maher | ethics: you probably need a -o before th eoptions - try it and see |
| 16:24.35 | Wanderer | odd. just rebooted my laptop and now sound is gone... odd |
| 16:25.02 | ethics | greycat: it didnt but it was maher that ed me this way i mixed you up |
| 16:26.17 | ethics | maher its close but im not quite right hehe...ill keep hackong ill figure it out hehe |
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| 16:27.00 | philpraxis | hey, question, how to force install of a pkg with apt-get install whemn it says it can't install something needed (because it;s non free or uch) but i have the dependency correctly installed on my system? |
| 16:27.20 | philpraxis | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:27.20 | philpraxis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.20 | philpraxis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.20 | philpraxis | E: Broken packages |
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| 16:27.31 | greycat | when you say "correctly installed", do you *actually* mean "I installed it from source into /usr/local"? |
| 16:27.41 | greycat | java. yeah, that's what you mean. |
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| 16:27.46 | grendal_prime | hey greycat..i use to use sendmail...wich of course uses mbox Im experimenting with exim wich is folder based |
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| 16:28.08 | maher | grendal_prime: exim can use eithrt mbox or maildir |
| 16:28.09 | shurik | xoz: could you type that find command you gave earlier please ? |
| 16:28.12 | greycat | !tell philpraxis about install java |
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| 16:28.36 | grendal_prime | im just dinking around with diff clients like kmail, the way it displays the maildir data is kinda a pain in the ass |
| 16:28.40 | xoz | shurik: find . -size 0c -exec rm {} \; |
| 16:28.45 | shurik | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.46 | grendal_prime | anyone suggest a good email client for this? |
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| 16:29.01 | greycat | exim is not "folder based". If you mean "uses Maildir/ format for local mailboxes", that's not the default behavior, but it's highly recommended. |
| 16:29.04 | xoz | shurik: assuming you are in the directory where you wanna start the search process. |
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| 16:29.14 | grendal_prime | ya but maher from what im reading the maildir is easyer to apply virus scanning to and whatnot |
| 16:29.32 | stew | am i going crazy? what syslog facility does iptables log to? |
| 16:29.44 | philpraxis | greycat : thanks, but i had to install a specific java version for some software, so did it by hand, how can i force apt-get install to NOT care about deps? |
| 16:29.54 | cddesjar | where does my xfree86 configuration files located...i tried a whereis xfree85 |
| 16:29.55 | greycat | you DON'T. |
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| 16:30.02 | greycat | cddesjar: /etc/X11 |
| 16:30.04 | xoz | shurik: be careful though.. you might delete other files if you made a mistake... |
| 16:30.12 | WiFiTux | if someone says they are running etch, they are running testing? |
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| 16:30.22 | xoz | !etch |
| 16:30.22 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 16:30.25 | maher | philbat: use equivs |
| 16:30.35 | cddesjar | thanks |
| 16:30.36 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: currently, yes. However, what people say and what they are doing are often quite different things. |
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| 16:30.44 | WiFiTux | xoz: you could have saved spam and say Yes. |
| 16:30.48 | maher | grendal_prime: mutt? |
| 16:30.51 | grendal_prime | stew it whould be a huge syslog for iptables |
| 16:30.57 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: true. :) cya |
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| 16:31.03 | xoz | WiFiTux: not sure about that |
| 16:31.07 | valdyn | stew: same as any kernel debugging msgs? |
| 16:31.11 | grendal_prime | you can put the bandwidth monitoring modual on there that works pretty damn good |
| 16:31.26 | stew | grendal_prime: huh? |
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| 16:31.55 | grendal_prime | stew am i going crazy? what syslog facility does iptables log to? |
| 16:32.11 | grendal_prime | maher, this is for gui people |
| 16:32.20 | shurik | xoz gives an error. path must precede expression |
| 16:32.22 | grendal_prime | if they saw mut they would shit |
| 16:32.37 | maher | grendal_prime: mutt + diaper? |
| 16:32.41 | grendal_prime | a long green crooked worm and then run out the front door screaming |
| 16:32.43 | hippie | maher: heh! |
| 16:32.52 | xoz | shurik: you forgot the dot? find . blah |
| 16:32.54 | philpraxis | thanks greycat, |
| 16:32.54 | greycat | grendal_prime: just install a fucking IMAP server (dovecot, courier-imap) and then let them use ANY imap client they like. |
| 16:32.57 | grendal_prime | i would be the diaper changer |
| 16:33.01 | stew | grendal_prime: did you attempt to answer my question? if you did you failed |
| 16:33.12 | grendal_prime | greycat, ya i was just looking into that |
| 16:33.17 | grendal_prime | i like squirlmail.. |
| 16:33.17 | xoz | shurik: cd to the dir where you wanna start the search... |
| 16:33.20 | shurik | xoz: no I didn't foget the dot |
| 16:33.22 | greycat | grendal_prime: that works too. |
| 16:33.30 | shurik | didn't work with the dot or full path dir |
| 16:33.52 | grendal_prime | courier will work with exim or do i need the courier mda |
| 16:33.58 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 16:33.58 | dpkg | it has been said that mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
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| 16:34.11 | asg | greycat: courier will work with exim |
| 16:34.16 | cddesjar | are a lot of things happening in testing yet? |
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| 16:34.24 | grendal_prime | k |
| 16:34.25 | greycat | courier-imap doesn't give a shit what MTA you use. |
| 16:34.27 | cddesjar | i see that things are starting to happen in sid |
| 16:34.33 | xoz | shurik: try again, find . -size 0c -exec rm {} \; |
| 16:34.34 | greycat | it works with Maildir/ format mailboxes |
| 16:34.34 | stew | grendal_prime: courier requires maildirs not mboxes but it doesn't require a specific mda |
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| 16:34.44 | shurik | xoz: forgot - in front of exec |
| 16:34.49 | shurik | you did:) |
| 16:34.52 | xoz | shurik: that's it |
| 16:34.57 | shurik | okay tyhanks |
| 16:36.41 | lestest | hi there how do I find the IP of a network device? |
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| 16:36.43 | grendal_prime | thanks stew |
| 16:36.55 | valdyn | lestest: ifconfig |
| 16:37.02 | lestest | I need to find the IP of an Access point |
| 16:37.11 | lestest | is there any tool? |
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| 16:37.54 | valdyn | lestest: i do not think a pure "AP" has an ip at all. do you mean your router? |
| 16:38.19 | greycat | ask your network administrator |
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| 16:39.39 | lestest | valdyn: is a cisco aironet AP, it got an addres for remote configuration |
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| 16:39.55 | greycat | check the manual. |
| 16:40.01 | pingpong | greycat, have a look at the topics for #debian-it, #debian-france, #debian-hu, #debian-catalan, #debian-co |
| 16:40.07 | ricky_clarkson | Any idea why timidity depends on libjackd, when apparently timidity is perfectly usable without libjackd? |
| 16:40.18 | ricky_clarkson | pingpong: s/ance// |
| 16:40.25 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, nm. |
| 16:40.35 | ricky_clarkson | I was thinking of #linuxfr |
| 16:40.37 | valdyn | lestest: you can do a broadcast ping ( man ping ), but your router is free to ignore that ping too.. |
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| 16:40.47 | ricky_clarkson | !timidity |
| 16:40.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, timidity is a great midi player, using timidity-patches (gravis ultra sound) it sounds perfect, (try these switches too -in or -ig), grab few midis from http://www.classicgaming.com/tmk/midi.shtml, or http://www.stardate.bc.ca/eawpatches/html/get_patches.htm |
| 16:40.59 | ricky_clarkson | !jack |
| 16:40.59 | dpkg | jack is, like, http://jackit.sf.net/, or http://www.home.unix-ag.org/arne/jack/, or a low latency audio server, or a colloquialism for a person who doesn't care about anything.... |
| 16:41.12 | ricky_clarkson | Jack is currently uninstallable in sid. |
| 16:41.29 | ricky_clarkson | jackd, that is. |
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| 16:45.26 | xoz | lestest: try swscanner |
| 16:45.56 | nickv111|Laptop | I have Qt installed on Debian, and am wondering, what should I use as QTDIR when building applications? |
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| 16:46.07 | piaf | pingpong: a realy good news ! |
| 16:46.11 | valdyn | nickv111|Laptop: don't use it at all. |
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| 16:46.24 | nickv111|Laptop | valdyn: Well, the application requires it |
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| 16:46.41 | valdyn | nickv111|Laptop: it does? |
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| 16:46.50 | nickv111|Laptop | valdyn: Yes. It won't build without QTDIR |
| 16:46.52 | lestest | xoz: broken package |
| 16:46.57 | c0de | :/ |
| 16:47.04 | lestest | xoz: do you know what is it based on? |
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| 16:47.10 | xoz | lestest: what about kismet? |
| 16:47.22 | lestest | xoz: is a kde tool? |
| 16:47.34 | nickv111|Laptop | lestest: Despite its name, it's a curses tool |
| 16:47.44 | lestest | nickv111|Laptop: thankz |
| 16:47.52 | c0de | i used kismet for wardriving :P |
| 16:47.56 | valdyn | nickv111|Laptop: maybe name us the app and the error message. |
| 16:47.57 | c0de | or it was something else.. |
| 16:47.57 | c0de | :P |
| 16:48.18 | nickv111|Laptop | valdyn: I'm building opie on Debian/powerpc, and the error message is: |
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| 16:48.51 | nickv111|Laptop | /home/nick/opiehome/opie-snapshot-20040621/Vars.make:2: *** QTDIR not set. Stop. |
| 16:49.07 | valdyn | nickv111|Laptop: why don't you use the opie debian package(s) ? |
| 16:49.18 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: which game? |
| 16:49.21 | nickv111|Laptop | valdyn: I couldn't find any |
| 16:49.45 | xoz | lestest: apt-cache show kismet ... apt-cache search wireless scanner |
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| 16:49.52 | valdyn | !info opie-client |
| 16:49.57 | dpkg | opie-client: (OPIE programs for generating OTPs on client machines), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.32-10 (sid), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 16:50.00 | valdyn | !info opie-server |
| 16:50.12 | dpkg | opie-server: (OPIE programs for maintaining an OTP key file), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.32-10 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 16:50.22 | nickv111|Laptop | That's not what I'm looking for |
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| 16:50.25 | valdyn | nickv111|Laptop: ah |
| 16:50.35 | lestest | xoz: thanz |
| 16:50.39 | nickv111|Laptop | I'm looking for the desktop environment |
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| 16:50.46 | nickv111|Laptop | So I can run it on qvfb |
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| 16:50.59 | greycat | nickv111|Laptop: QTDIR seems to imply that it wants to compile something that uses the QT library. So install the QT dev package(s). |
| 16:51.01 | xoz | lestest: also iwspy from wireless-tools |
| 16:51.04 | lestest | but the wireless is plugged into my swich could I try a nework scanning tool |
| 16:51.31 | valdyn | nickv111|Laptop: you could just set QTDIR to "", but i rather believe that you miss -dev package(s) |
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| 16:52.07 | greycat | they ALWAYS miss the fucking -dev packages |
| 16:52.33 | greycat | it's like everyone on the planet comes here and wants to compile something on debian and didn't Google, didn't read errors, didn't read logs, didn't read man pages... |
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| 16:53.01 | nickv111|Laptop | greycat: I did Google. I did read errors, logs, etc |
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| 16:53.23 | xoz | lestest: yep |
| 16:53.43 | greycat | then why didn't your question include magical phrases such as "I do have libqt-mt-dev version 1.2.3.4-5.6 installed, and the config.log says `.....'"? |
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| 16:53.50 | valdyn | nickv111|Laptop: configure scripts usually test a fraction of "something", like QT, and assume that its missing completely when that fraction is not found, so your error message is quite more general than your error. |
| 16:53.53 | xoz | lestest: nmap? |
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| 16:54.33 | xoz | nickv111|Laptop: install auto-apt |
| 16:54.59 | valdyn | lestest: did you do a broadcast ping yet? |
| 16:55.08 | nickv111|Laptop | greycat: Calm down. I've tried to tell everyone as much as possible |
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| 16:56.00 | nickv111|Laptop | There's no script to test these thinsg |
| 16:56.02 | nickv111|Laptop | things* |
| 16:56.07 | nickv111|Laptop | It requires that you have QTDIR set |
| 16:56.28 | nickv111|Laptop | And, I don't know where that is. |
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| 16:56.36 | nickv111|Laptop | I have dev packages installed. |
| 16:56.40 | valdyn | nickv111|Laptop: opie has no "./configure" ? |
| 16:56.47 | nickv111|Laptop | valdyn: No, just a makefile |
| 16:56.54 | greycat | then vi Makefile; make |
| 16:56.54 | cddesjar | Anyone know why when I try to run azureus from the the debian menu in WindowMaker it gives me an error that says Could not execute command: /usr/chris/azureus/.azureus |
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| 16:57.02 | greycat | if you don't know how to build it, ask the MAINTAINERS OF OPIE. Not us. |
| 16:57.10 | n3x_ | is there anu way to get a PHP file from a web site...wget seems to Hit the web site then return the php file with what it parses when its hit |
| 16:57.33 | greycat | *thud* *thud* *thud* |
| 16:57.34 | maher | nickv111|Laptop: isn't opie in debian? |
| 16:57.38 | nickv111|Laptop | maher: No. |
| 16:57.38 | JoshH | n3x_: no, that wont work. |
| 16:57.41 | greycat | they're getting stupider by the day. I swear. |
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| 16:57.50 | JoshH | lol |
| 16:57.54 | Pryon | n3x_: the server determines how the file is, uh, served |
| 16:57.57 | JoshH | i dunno, it seems about average |
| 16:58.05 | valdyn | nickv111|Laptop: debian has kde files split across the usual fhs directories, there's no "real" single QTDIR. |
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| 16:58.13 | nickv111|Laptop | valdyn: Thanks |
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| 16:58.36 | nickv111|Laptop | greycat: I appreciate you insulting me for asking where the QTDIR is. |
| 16:58.40 | valdyn | nickv111|Laptop: or QT even |
| 16:58.45 | nickv111|Laptop | greycat: You're a big help |
| 16:58.58 | stew | !greycatsnack |
| 16:58.59 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a chocolate chip cookie for all the hard work |
| 16:59.01 | afabian | n3x_: FTP, if it lets you in. |
| 16:59.02 | Dumann | Does anybody have a clue how I can check to what logfile iptables is writing when i use LOG --log-prefix "TEST" |
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| 16:59.17 | ricky_clarkson | nickv111|Laptop: QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3 works for me. |
| 16:59.24 | ricky_clarkson | nickv111|Laptop: That was for building muse. |
| 16:59.30 | stew | Dumann: dmesg |
| 16:59.31 | asg | Dumann: should be kernel.* |
| 16:59.51 | nickv111|Laptop | ricky_clarkson: Wow! I think it's working |
| 16:59.58 | valdyn | ricky_clarkson: so /usr/lib should work too |
| 17:00.04 | ricky_clarkson | And anyone around wondering why I built muse, the version in Debian is FUCKING CRAP. |
| 17:00.10 | valdyn | ricky_clarkson: err, just /usr |
| 17:00.23 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn: Dunno. |
| 17:00.23 | Dumann | stew: dmesg gives me a list of output yes. can i see from what file that output is? |
| 17:00.34 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn: I don't feel like building it again, took me ages. |
| 17:00.40 | valdyn | hehe |
| 17:00.48 | stew | Dumann: /var/log/dmesg |
| 17:01.11 | Dumann | "/var/log/dmesg: Permission denied"" |
| 17:01.20 | Dumann | i am logged in as root |
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| 17:01.37 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn: " there's no "real" single QTDIR." - that's what /usr/share/qt3 is for, it's full of shambolinks. |
| 17:01.42 | hippie | Dumann: are you trying to just run the log or something? |
| 17:01.49 | valdyn | ricky_clarkson: yea |
| 17:01.51 | greycat | Dumann: read it, don't execute it. |
| 17:01.59 | Dumann | ooh :) lemme try |
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| 17:02.11 | Lynoure | Hello. |
| 17:02.14 | zoid | what motd does ssh call when someone logs in? |
| 17:02.16 | ricky_clarkson | Dumann: I hope you don't try to execute people before talking to them. |
| 17:02.38 | Solak | hmm, anyone here know in which package cdbakeoven is located? it's not installed with kde... |
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| 17:02.58 | Lynoure | Where can I get the archive-keyring apt-key update complains about ("ERROR: Can't find the archive-keyring")? |
| 17:02.59 | Pryon | zoid: /etc/issue.net |
| 17:03.15 | Dumann | hippie: after I changed a line in syslog.conf (i wanted iptables to write to a different file then syslog), I restarted syslog. But it did not work. So I removed the added line from syslog.conf, saved, and restarted syslog and iptables. But since then iptables does OR not log OR it does log, but i dont know where |
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| 17:03.37 | Lynoure | man/info apt-key didn't help, neither did googling for it. |
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| 17:04.05 | Lynoure | mutta alkuperไinen ongelma ratkesi |
| 17:04.11 | Lynoure | oops |
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| 17:04.27 | ricky_clarkson | !bullshit |
| 17:04.27 | dpkg | DRINK! |
| 17:04.36 | ricky_clarkson | !feck |
| 17:04.36 | dpkg | i heard feck is fuck in irish |
| 17:04.51 | ricky_clarkson | Hmm, I was hoping Father Jack had infested dpkg. |
| 17:05.05 | interbird | Can anybody help me with synaptic ? |
| 17:05.08 | zoid | Pryon: no, it's not calling issue.net motd or issue, any other guesses, heh? |
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| 17:05.22 | Solak | hmm, I can only find it in oldstable... |
| 17:05.28 | Solak | is it removed? |
| 17:05.44 | ricky_clarkson | !info cdbakeoven |
| 17:05.52 | Dumann | i am in the /var/log/dmesg |
| 17:05.52 | Dumann | where can i see to what log file iptables logs? |
| 17:05.57 | ricky_clarkson | Package 'cdbakeoven' does not exist. |
| 17:06.00 | ricky_clarkson | !cdbakeoven |
| 17:06.03 | rking | i have a custom repository i would like to pin to: the server's Release file has one line "Archive: zumbit", and my apt-get'ing machine has /etc/apt/preferences like this: Package: * | Pin: release a=zumbit | Pin-Priority: 900 yet still, when i download a package that is present on my repo /and/ on the distro's repo, it doesn't favor mine. any suggestions? |
| 17:06.29 | Pryon | zoid: sshd uses whatever you've assigned to Banner in sshd_config |
| 17:06.47 | Solak | hmmmm. |
| 17:06.58 | zoid | Pryon: ahh, i wonder what that is by default |
| 17:07.03 | rking | Dumann: does it not use syslog? |
| 17:07.09 | ricky_clarkson | Solak: Looks like a dead package with two outstanding Grave bugs. |
| 17:07.22 | rking | Dumann: sorry - i'm way out of date with that question. =) |
| 17:07.23 | Pryon | zoid: man sshd_config gives you that information |
| 17:07.38 | zoid | Pryon: wait, that's not what i want |
| 17:07.48 | ricky_clarkson | Solak: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=211803&archive=yes - 2nd and 3rd comments. |
| 17:07.49 | zoid | Pryon: i mean after someone logs in |
| 17:07.51 | zoid | not before |
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| 17:07.56 | Dumann | rking |
| 17:08.01 | csdgp_ | zoid: Banner is set to /etc/issue.net, but it's commented out in the default config |
| 17:08.09 | ricky_clarkson | Solak: I have google powers. |
| 17:08.11 | zoid | i don't want the banner |
| 17:08.20 | Dumann | rking, my questions was: after I changed a line in syslog.conf (i wanted iptables to write to a different file then syslog), I restarted syslog. But it did not work. So I removed the added line from syslog.conf, saved, and restarted syslog and iptables. But since then iptables does OR not log OR it does log, but i dont know where |
| 17:08.23 | zoid | i want to know what's displayed (like /etc/motd) when someone logs in |
| 17:09.01 | Solak | ricky_clarkson: I always seem to enter the wrong search strings to get good results with google... :/ |
| 17:09.06 | Solak | ricky_clarkson: anyway, thanks! |
| 17:09.20 | csdgp_ | zoid: My Bad. Look at the PrintMotd option in the sshd_config man page |
| 17:09.33 | zoid | csdgp_: k, thanks! |
| 17:09.48 | ricky_clarkson | Solak: "cdbakeoven debian" seemed to suffice. |
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| 17:09.54 | rking | Dumann: 1) what did you change in syslog.conf, and 2) why would you want to make it log to a different file? that's what grep is for |
| 17:10.21 | ricky_clarkson | Solak: Maybe you typed "aw crap, my cdbakeoven doesn't work on my home machine. Any ideas, google?" |
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| 17:10.47 | Solak | ricky_clarkson: then I probably don't select items from the list correctly (yes, I typed "cdbakeoven debian"). |
| 17:10.58 | ricky_clarkson | !rfd |
| 17:11.01 | Solak | anyway, looks like I have to search for an alternative then... |
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| 17:11.26 | ricky_clarkson | !rfd Solak |
| 17:11.28 | dpkg | A book you might like to study, Solak: http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/cwalerst/reading%20for%20dummies.gif |
| 17:11.32 | rking | Solak: 1) what did cdbakeoven do for you? 2) can you just get the source for it and hand-compile? |
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| 17:11.45 | ricky_clarkson | rking: It was dropped from Debian for good reasons. |
| 17:12.21 | Solak | rking: it did make burning cd's a lot easier, and no I want to install it with apt-get... |
| 17:12.42 | Dumann | rking: i added 1 line to the syslog.conf (with mcedit), saved it. later i deleted that line again. I wanted to change the logfile so I had all the iptables info in 1 file (cauz i thought the syslog was getting kinda big) |
| 17:12.44 | ricky_clarkson | Solak: You still can if you add oldstable to your sources, I *think*. |
| 17:12.57 | ricky_clarkson | !oldstable |
| 17:13.01 | Solak | only libs I require for development like allegro I download as source and compile... |
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| 17:13.15 | Solak | ricky_clarkson: wouldn't that cause conflicts? |
| 17:13.30 | ricky_clarkson | Solak: No. |
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| 17:14.07 | ricky_clarkson | Solak: apt-get will use the latest available version in your sources for everything, and dpkg will refuse to install anything that conflicts with stuff you already have. |
| 17:14.10 | rking | Dumann: possibly you could just mv /etc/syslog.conf and reinstall syslogd. but i would definitely recommend grepping... grep iptables /var/syslog if you want to see them, grep -v iptables /var/log/syslog if you don't. |
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| 17:16.13 | zulkifar | Hi. Generally I use dd for making isos. But it looks that sometimes grabbed isos are broken. May it be because of dd doesn't perform any error correction? Is there another tool? |
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| 17:16.31 | Pryon | mkisofs |
| 17:16.34 | Dumann | rking, my gameservers started lagging because of the iptables (i was writing all packes into the syslog cauz i wanted to catch a hacker, which worked after all) anyway, i thought that the lag maybe came cauz the syslog was getting kinda big :) |
| 17:16.54 | lestest | thankz all |
| 17:16.56 | lestest | bye |
| 17:17.23 | Dumann | rking: i dont have a syslogd in /etc/init.d/ only a sysklogd |
| 17:17.27 | stew | rking: you can't just move a conf file and reinstall without --force-confmiss /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 17:17.37 | Lynoure | Dumann: you can recycle the log... even daily (if it does not get way too large wuite that fast) |
| 17:17.50 | Dumann | ah cool |
| 17:17.51 | valdyn | zulkifar: dd does not need to do error correction. If your CD is broken however it will abort. If its broken as part of its copy protection, dd will ( by default ) abort too |
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| 17:18.01 | Solak | ricky_clarkson: it results in an 'unmet dependency' |
| 17:18.02 | stew | Dumann: i doubt that your server was slow becuase syslog was large |
| 17:18.13 | rking | Dumann: now i'm curious - what did you see that the hacker was doing? |
| 17:18.15 | Solak | ricky_clarkson: anyway, it was worth a try :] |
| 17:18.18 | Dumann | hmm yes probably just because i logged ALL packages :P |
| 17:18.25 | zulkifar | valdyn: so its not like with AudioCDs when one use CDparanoia for better results? |
| 17:18.32 | Solak | suggestions for alternatives are welcome :-) |
| 17:18.33 | Dumann | but I need to know WHERE iptables logs now..... |
| 17:18.39 | valdyn | zulkifar: correct. |
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| 17:18.44 | zulkifar | valdyn: thanks |
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| 17:21.01 | Lynoure | Dumann: if you are logging all the packages still, lsof could help |
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| 17:21.22 | Dumann | i only log the bigger udp packages atm |
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| 17:21.42 | Dumann | the problem is that i do not know WHERE iptables logs... it does not log to syslog anymore |
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| 17:22.03 | diomac | i have a box doing wierd things with raid |
| 17:22.13 | colera | what the advantage of using apt-get over aptitude? |
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| 17:22.25 | diomac | when it boots it wants to fsck md's |
| 17:22.51 | diomac | and drops me to maintance term, i boot assemble the raids agian, they mount fine etc.. |
| 17:23.04 | ricky_clarkson | /dev/hda5 /mnt/part1 ext2 noauto,user 0 0 |
| 17:23.12 | diomac | sync, fsck them, then when i reboot it does it again |
| 17:23.14 | ricky_clarkson | But when I mount it, mount shows that it is noexec. |
| 17:23.19 | ricky_clarkson | Any ideas? |
| 17:23.20 | diomac | it didn't use to do this |
| 17:23.31 | stew | colera: none |
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| 17:24.08 | asg | ricky_clarkson: This option implies the options noexec, nosuid, and nodev |
| 17:24.12 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: Oh no, it's JnmPilwBR9 again. ;( |
| 17:24.18 | FieldySnuts | er? |
| 17:24.22 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Do I add exec? |
| 17:24.25 | asg | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 17:24.38 | _nane_ | hii |
| 17:24.38 | FieldySnuts | heh. randomly generated |
| 17:24.58 | _nane_ | m fuest help me please |
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| 17:25.25 | _nane_ | do you hear me |
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| 17:25.29 | ricky_clarkson | asg: /dev/hda5 on /mnt/part1 type ext2 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=ricky) |
| 17:25.31 | _nane_ | help please |
| 17:25.31 | ricky_clarkson | Still happens. |
| 17:25.48 | FieldySnuts | _nane_: yes, if you don't ask an actual question, we can't really help much |
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| 17:25.54 | SogniX | can anyone tell me what the default username and password (if any) are set for webmin when installing it via Synaptic? |
| 17:25.59 | Lynoure | _nane_: I don't even know what fuest means |
| 17:26.00 | _nane_ | oh yeah |
| 17:26.05 | Mash | http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto1135gk.jpg <--- i can't read this text |
| 17:26.08 | _nane_ | thanks |
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| 17:26.13 | Mash | can one of you help? |
| 17:26.14 | passi | hi there. can anyone tell me which packages i need to install to use my integrated bluetooth in gnome applications? |
| 17:26.22 | FieldySnuts | ~asking to ask |
| 17:26.25 | _nane_ | m new linux man |
| 17:26.30 | shurik | does anyone know if it's possible to read reiserfs under ms windows ? |
| 17:26.40 | asg | ricky_clarkson: did you put ,exec after user or before? |
| 17:26.41 | mikael_ | shurik, don't think so... |
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| 17:26.47 | passi | shurik, yes, it is |
| 17:26.54 | Mash | FieldySnuts: Mash http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto1135gk.jpg <--- i can't read this text <---- look here |
| 17:26.57 | shurik | passi: what utility ? |
| 17:27.15 | passi | shurik, but not reiser4. only reiserfs. theres a tool like norton commander. but i dont remember the name of it |
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| 17:27.29 | passi | it also read ext3 |
| 17:27.33 | _nane_ | wrong word m guest ok |
| 17:27.46 | ricky_clarkson | asg: I put noexec ;) |
| 17:27.48 | _nane_ | lynoure |
| 17:27.50 | FieldySnuts | ~permasunday |
| 17:27.51 | ricky_clarkson | !lart me |
| 17:27.54 | shurik | passi: could you rite to reiserfs using that util ? |
| 17:28.02 | asg | ricky_clarkson: heh |
| 17:28.06 | passi | shurik, i dont think so |
| 17:28.32 | ricky_clarkson | asg: sudo should include a quick intelligence test. |
| 17:28.41 | Lynoure | _nane_: congratulations. you have taken a step to the right director. What's you problem? |
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| 17:29.07 | Lynoure | s/director/direction |
| 17:29.39 | _nane_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.49 | nite613 | Lets say I want to create a user for making SSH tunnels (ala -L 7777:localhost:77), but I don't want them to be able to get a shell |
| 17:30.00 | nite613 | is that possible? What shell do I have to give them? |
| 17:30.24 | mauve | Hi, I'm trying to package GDL (gnome devtools libraries) but the strace -o /tmp/log ./configure ... trick gives me like 80 packages for the Depend line, does anybody know how to find out which aren't really needed? |
| 17:30.44 | abrotman | that's why they're called Depends |
| 17:30.47 | noloK | what was the command of dpkg to tell me more about the migration from 2.4 to 2.6? |
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| 17:31.54 | mauve | abrotman, it just seems like that trick all libs that all libs depend on, I only want those that GDL explicitly depends on, not implicit thru others, I'm pretty sure I have seen a blog entry / mail about but google doesn't help me... |
| 17:32.09 | afabian | nite613: If I understand what you're trying to do, give the user any valid shell (which could be /bin/false if you put it in /etc/shells) and run the ssh tunnel command with sudo -u user ssh ...., possibly star out the password. |
| 17:32.24 | mauve | abrotman, sorry for the missing words in the last post |
| 17:32.29 | FieldySnuts | there IS a shell that only allows ssh operations, i just forget what it is called |
| 17:33.01 | PerfDave | scponly |
| 17:33.16 | FieldySnuts | nah he needs more. rssh |
| 17:33.29 | jshoenberger | What's the name of a RDP Server for linux |
| 17:33.30 | jshoenberger | ? |
| 17:33.30 | FieldySnuts | http://rssh.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:33.36 | FieldySnuts | jshoenberger: there's no such thing |
| 17:33.40 | jshoenberger | shoot |
| 17:33.44 | nite613 | afabian: I don't think that's exactlyt. I'll check on this rssh |
| 17:33.49 | jshoenberger | No equivilent? |
| 17:34.11 | abrotman | vnc |
| 17:34.15 | FieldySnuts | closest you're going to get is nx (www.nxmachine.com), which unfortunately has questionable licensing as far as debian is concerned, on the server side. or VNC, which will work but could be better |
| 17:34.33 | abrotman | mauve: so you want to install stuff .. but don't want the dependencies ? |
| 17:34.34 | asg | ricky_clarkson: sudo can be configured to insult you if you can't type your password |
| 17:34.37 | jshoenberger | Okay, thanks |
| 17:34.41 | afabian | jshoenberger: X is built on the client-server model. You can use bare X for that kind of thing, remote desktop, but you'd probably want to run it though an ssh tunnel. vnc isn't encrypted either, but the password is. |
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| 17:34.55 | ricky_clarkson | asg: I know. |
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| 17:35.18 | ricky_clarkson | asg: /msg dpkg sl |
| 17:35.19 | asg | ricky_clarkson: the people at work don't though and can get a wee bit upset from time to time. |
| 17:35.20 | FieldySnuts | raw X even compressed through an ssh tunnel takes up unreasonable bandwidth, vnc is a lot better at that but still needs ssh tunneled (no security), nx however is far more effecient and is already encrypted by default, though weird to set up |
| 17:35.27 | colera | how do i unpack a .tar.bz2 file>?? |
| 17:35.27 | mauve | abrotman, no you misunderstood me |
| 17:35.28 | colera | ?? |
| 17:35.32 | jshoenberger | Mmm |
| 17:35.33 | asg | colera: bzip2 |
| 17:35.36 | jshoenberger | Okay guys thanks |
| 17:35.47 | empty | colera, tar jxvf |
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| 17:35.50 | ricky_clarkson | colera: tar -jxvf thefile.tar.bz2 |
| 17:35.52 | asg | colera: install bzip2, /msg dpkg tar |
| 17:35.52 | FieldySnuts | colera: man tar, look for the x j and f options |
| 17:35.53 | MrBucket | Hello! |
| 17:35.56 | abrotman | mauve: apparently |
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| 17:36.40 | MrBucket | How do I add IP addresses to my NIC? |
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| 17:36.45 | asg | MrBucket: man 5 interfaces |
| 17:36.55 | MrBucket | :D |
| 17:36.59 | nite613 | rssh doesn't allow tunnel creations :( |
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| 17:37.01 | ^chris | ifconfig baby |
| 17:37.01 | nite613 | oh well |
| 17:37.10 | mauve | abrotman, you must have misunderstood me... (my explanation was pretty bad) I suspect the strace-trick gives me implicit depends as well which aren't needed in the control file because they are installed as depends from other packages |
| 17:37.13 | davi | Sarge r0a does not detect my graphic card. I have a HP nx6110 laptop, with UMA Graphics Media Accelerator 900. What driver must I choose from the offered list ? |
| 17:37.26 | asg | MrBucket: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage (for more information) |
| 17:37.30 | abrotman | wtf is UMA |
| 17:37.35 | colera | ricky_clarkson: i get an error tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 17:37.42 | asg | colera: apt-get install bzip2 |
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| 17:37.51 | MrBucket | :D (: |
| 17:37.55 | abrotman | mauve: did you install stuff with apt-get or dpkg ? |
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| 17:41.34 | mauve | which stuff? to satisfy the depends of GDL source version? yes, I did... |
| 17:41.44 | colera | what could this mean? (gDesklets:12495): Gdk-WARNING **: Couldn't match property type STRING to UTF8_STRING |
| 17:41.47 | colera | ?? |
| 17:42.02 | colera | do i need to install UTF8?? |
| 17:42.20 | ricky_clarkson | colera: It means gdesklets is written by eejits. |
| 17:42.40 | ricky_clarkson | colera: I'd ignore it. |
| 17:42.56 | colera | well i can't run the news ticker if ignore it : P |
| 17:43.31 | colera | ricky_clarkson: i guess i'll have to do without |
| 17:44.09 | ricky_clarkson | colera: Log a bug. |
| 17:44.10 | shingouz | davi: go with vesa, it should at least work. you can fool more with it later on |
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| 17:44.26 | mauve | abrotman, I'll go try out dpkg-shlibdeps |
| 17:44.27 | Sewa_Kan | hi |
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| 17:45.12 | colera | asg: what do i use for just .tar.gz files? |
| 17:45.27 | asg | !tar |
| 17:45.27 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 17:45.30 | asg | colera: ^^^^ |
| 17:45.42 | colera | asg: thax |
| 17:46.39 | abrotman | mauve: ok |
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| 17:48.53 | diomac | this is really starting to shit me |
| 17:48.54 | davi | thanks shingouz |
| 17:48.59 | shingouz | np |
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| 17:49.19 | diomac | i have fsck'd fsck.ext3 e2fsck these md's all come up clean and mount fine |
| 17:49.24 | davi | shingouz, what is the maximun resolution which vesa support ? |
| 17:49.46 | diomac | but on reboot is dumps me to maintaince term |
| 17:50.03 | diomac | is there a way to stop debian trying to fsck my md devices on boot? |
| 17:50.04 | shingouz | davi: that is up to the card and monitor you have. there is no 3d accel on the vesa driver though |
| 17:50.19 | davi | ok, thanks again |
| 17:50.26 | shingouz | diomac: you sure you do not have a bad hd? |
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| 17:50.59 | diomac | but the drives are fine, i did a hd scan on them |
| 17:51.07 | diomac | both drives rather |
| 17:51.19 | abrotman | shingouz: there should be damn it! |
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| 17:51.29 | zuri | Hello. Where can I download floppy images to do a net install of Debian? The Debian site just has me going on a circular list of documentation, and I see nowhere where it says "go to a mirror here and find this folder there" or something :O |
| 17:51.32 | shingouz | abrotman: huh? |
| 17:51.38 | shingouz | oh. yes |
| 17:51.38 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 17:51.43 | abrotman | !sarge floppies |
| 17:51.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 17:52.00 | abrotman | !sarge bf is <reply>see sarge floppies |
| 17:52.01 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 17:52.09 | zuri | Thanks |
| 17:52.24 | shingouz | abrotman: what is 'sarge gf' then :p |
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| 17:52.36 | abrotman | shingouz: a good way to get out of the army |
| 17:52.43 | shingouz | heh |
| 17:52.51 | zuri | Will Debian run fine, hopefully with KDE (but otherwise with Window maker) on a 166Mhz laptop with 128 Mb of ram? :P |
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| 17:53.04 | abrotman | zuri: other than kde .. i'd say yes |
| 17:53.12 | abrotman | might want to look at xfce |
| 17:53.25 | zuri | I tried to install SuSE and the installer couldn't even boot ;) So I guess I needed something less... "heavy" |
| 17:54.05 | MrBucket | After I added eth0:1 to etc/network/interfaces how do I update the configuration without getting d/c? |
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| 17:54.09 | shingouz | zuri: icewm is a light one as are most of the *boxes. xfce3 is a nice one on a 166 . xfc4 is jsut a bit too heavy imho |
| 17:54.27 | abrotman | blckbox! |
| 17:54.31 | abrotman | blackbox too |
| 17:54.45 | zuri | Thanks! |
| 17:54.48 | pipeline | zuri: You're not going to run into any problems with a 166. |
| 17:54.52 | Granden- | fluxbox |
| 17:54.58 | pipeline | zuri: Your problem is going to be memory. 128M is a little tight with anything. |
| 17:55.09 | pipeline | zuri: Also, make sure you disable anti-aliased fonts |
| 17:55.33 | pipeline | zuri: Monochrome or totally non-AA fonts will be 5-10x faster than the default settings in KDE and Gnome |
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| 17:55.59 | zuri | Now I hope the boot floppies will boot, I remmeber when I installed my first Linux there, 6 years ago, I needed to modify the boot floppies because the installer was trying to access the floppy directly instead of through the BIOS, and the laptop has an external PCMCIA floppy, so it failed |
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| 17:57.02 | pipeline | zuri: Well, if that doesn't work out for you, there are plenty of options. Booting over ethernet or CD shouldn't be that hard either. |
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| 17:57.12 | ignatius | hi - I just bought an ati tv wonder pro because I know it's supported in deb, but unfortunately it's not coming up as /dev/video0 |
| 17:57.14 | ignatius | any ideas? |
| 17:57.22 | ignatius | it lists in an xawtv -hwscan |
| 17:57.33 | MrBucket | After I added eth0:1 to etc/network/interfaces how do I update the configuration without getting d/c? |
| 17:57.38 | zuri | The laptop can't boot from CD... and I'm not sure my PCMCIA card can boot from ethernet either :O |
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| 17:58.48 | zuri | If I could somehow jumpstart the install fmro my existing Linux, that'd work... I could probably do that with Gentoo, but there's no way I'm compiling everything on a 166 with 128Mb RAM :P |
| 17:59.04 | eeyore- | ooh, debian ships gcc 4.0 :-) |
| 17:59.28 | eeyore- | zuri: of course you can install debian from chroot |
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| 17:59.52 | zuri | eeyore-: I can? How? I didn't see that option in the manual |
| 17:59.53 | abrotman | eeyore-: ! |
| 17:59.56 | ke6isf | zuri: Well, you *could* do that on a 166, but you might start that before you go on a one-week vacatoin somewhere. =^^= |
| 17:59.59 | eeyore- | zuri: there are some things you have to do by hand afterwards, but it's not a lot. helps if you know debian already |
| 18:00.16 | pipeline | zuri: You could indeed "jumpstart" the install, using debootstrap. |
| 18:00.17 | eeyore- | zuri: you have to use one of the (available) debian chroot install scripts, google for them |
| 18:00.20 | zuri | I've never used Debian :/ Always used SuSE |
| 18:00.25 | eeyore- | abrotman: hey! :-) |
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| 18:00.35 | zuri | And gentoo |
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| 18:00.58 | pipeline | zuri: If it's new enough to be a 166, it can probably boot over ethernet. Unless it's a cheap piece of shit. That's probably going to be the easiest install method if the floppy doesn't work :P |
| 18:01.17 | LinuxVR | Como posso discar para a internet usando o fax modem no DEBIAN? |
| 18:01.25 | asg | !br |
| 18:01.25 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:01.32 | ke6isf | LinuxVR: Please, in english? |
| 18:01.36 | eeyore- | zuri: stick a cdrom in it already :-) it can just dangle out of the case for now while you install it |
| 18:01.39 | zuri | pipeline: It's a libretto 100 CT, a very fine laptop by Toshiba.... but very bare, it doesnt have anything built in, no floppy, no ethernet, no CD. Even the serial ports need a docking station |
| 18:01.43 | eeyore- | zuri: unless it's a laptop ... |
| 18:01.55 | ke6isf | LinuxVR: En Ingles, por favor? |
| 18:02.22 | cmihai | Is there _any_ free capable solution for CAD/CAM/CAE under Linux? (not QCad or Varkon or VariCAD)... ? |
| 18:02.22 | zuri | LinuxVR asked how can he dial out to the Internet using a fax modem in Debian |
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| 18:02.32 | zuri | eeyore-: it is |
| 18:02.35 | eeyore- | zuri: take the HD and stick it in a desktop computer, install debian from there, transplant it back :-) |
| 18:02.36 | eleusis | g'day |
| 18:02.38 | FieldySnuts | he can ask that in #debian-br or wherever |
| 18:02.38 | pipeline | zuri: The docking station probably has ethernet... |
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| 18:02.40 | shingouz | zuri: your laptop is not a laptop, it is a luggable :p |
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| 18:02.51 | LinuxVR | Como posso discar para a internet usando o fax modem no DEBIAN? |
| 18:02.54 | pipeline | cmihai: hahahahahhaha FREE? Surely you jest. xfig is about the best thing I know of. |
| 18:03.07 | cmihai | Heh. |
| 18:03.15 | zuri | No, the docking station has 2 additional PCMCIA slots, USB ports, PS/2, VGA, serial, parallel... but no CD |
| 18:03.21 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: road fighter |
| 18:03.27 | eleusis | anyone know whether there's currently an issue with openssl and exim-tls? I'm currently getting the response "OpenSSL/0.9.6beta currently unavailable" when trying to send mail through my server |
| 18:03.29 | pipeline | cmihai: Think about what people use CAD for. The market for "free, capable" CAD software ain't all that big. |
| 18:03.38 | zuri | The only CD I have that I can use with this is a very crappy one that I got for free somewhere, not reliable at all, can't even read burned CDs |
| 18:04.01 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yep it works fine |
| 18:04.01 | cmihai | pipeline: I'm yet to see any capable CAD/CAM/CAE software of any kind actually... |
| 18:04.02 | eeyore- | shingouz: isn't the libretto those tiny teeny handheld things? |
| 18:04.04 | pipeline | zuri: So you can't boot off of a floppy, you can't boot off of a CD, and you can't boot off of ethernet. What the hell is it SUPPOSED to boot? |
| 18:04.06 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: have you packaged it already? |
| 18:04.07 | cmihai | Free or not free. |
| 18:04.18 | shingouz | zuri: if you have a nic for the thing, boot off a floppy and suck the stuff off the net |
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| 18:04.25 | LinuxVR | Como posso discar para a internet usando o fax modem no DEBIAN? |
| 18:04.26 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you need to send a mail to upstream to fix the license (as he did with maze of galious and supertransball2) |
| 18:04.27 | zuri | pipline: It can boot off the floppy as long as the OS uses the BIOS to read |
| 18:04.34 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: then there's anotehr game called "nether earth" also from the same guy |
| 18:04.39 | zuri | shingouz: That's the plan |
| 18:04.42 | eeyore- | zuri: debian netinstall then |
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| 18:04.46 | pipeline | cmihai: The cost of a windows license and a machine to use it on is pretty minimal compared to the cost of a Catia or Pro/E license :P |
| 18:04.47 | shingouz | eeyore-: yes but it is huge. i am currently trying to figure out how to make my IBM PC110 run debian ;) |
| 18:04.50 | cmihai | And for that matter, 3D software (apart from Alias|Maya, Softimage|XSI etc that only runs on redhat/etc..and costs a small fortune). |
| 18:04.51 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i've even patched the source to be able to finish it (too hard otherwise) -- 2 player must be fun |
| 18:04.54 | ke6isf | !tell LinuxVR Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:05.02 | zuri | That's what I want to do... /if/ the installer will even boot from the floppy x.x |
| 18:05.10 | shingouz | eeyore-: the PC110 is even smaller than the Libretto |
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| 18:05.24 | FieldySnuts | just ignore him he isn't going to get it |
| 18:05.28 | LinuxVR | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.36 | eeyore- | i don't remember why i rebooted the MX last time. it's down to 96 days uptime :-p |
| 18:05.38 | zuri | eeyore-: It's tiny, but not a handheld, it's a PC :P |
| 18:05.38 | pipeline | cmihai: Pro/E was supposed to come out on linux at some point, but I don't know that it ever did. |
| 18:05.40 | ke6isf | FieldySnuts: Well, he *almost* got it. |
| 18:05.42 | eeyore- | maybe it was for kernel upgrade |
| 18:05.44 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: Icompiled it but it does not run for me |
| 18:05.53 | eeyore- | zuri: i know :-) take out the HD already |
| 18:05.54 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: why not? |
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| 18:06.10 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed) |
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| 18:06.11 | cmihai | pipeline: well, it's not the price of windows, heh. I don't really care about that. It's the simple fact Linux seems to be really lacking in multimedia/graphics/cad etc |
| 18:06.17 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: strange... |
| 18:06.20 | zuri | eeyore-: It uses a really tiny cable that I havent even seen in other laptops, I wouldnt know how to connect it ;) |
| 18:06.21 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I get the fatal signal |
| 18:06.34 | shingouz | zury: still bigger than the PC110 ;) /me reads up on a chroot install |
| 18:06.37 | FieldySnuts | cmihai: start coding then |
| 18:06.39 | eeyore- | zuri: isn't it standard 2.5" laptop drive? |
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| 18:06.53 | abrotman | what kind of laptop ? |
| 18:06.54 | pipeline | cmihai: Go figure. People don't write software for a niche platform. |
| 18:07.04 | eeyore- | zuri: with the 44-pin IDE cable? (yours might be ribbon cable, but same idea) |
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| 18:07.16 | eeyore- | abrotman: toshiba libretto |
| 18:07.18 | cmihai | FieldySnuts: yeah right. Let's be onest. All the projects I've ever seen were in either "alpha" or "abandoned" stages... |
| 18:07.27 | abrotman | eeyore-: i seriously doubt that's a standard HDD |
| 18:07.52 | shingouz | zuri: iirc the libretto uses a 2.5-incher. can be installed to any desktop with the proper adapter |
| 18:07.53 | zuri | eeyore-: I don't know... I don't think so, but my other laptops have different hard drives. I rememebr the first step to upgrade the hard disk on this laptop was to break parts of the case internally for a standard HDD to fit :P |
| 18:07.59 | eeyore- | abrotman: non-standard drives would have driven up engineering costs of the thing .. |
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| 18:08.12 | FieldySnuts | crap like that is often done in laptops, for that very reason |
| 18:08.19 | abrotman | eeyore-: it's a libretto |
| 18:08.30 | abrotman | and toshiba ... |
| 18:08.34 | eeyore- | zuri: it might be a really thin 2.5" drive ... you know, like 9mm or less |
| 18:08.43 | abrotman | all he has to say now is it was designed for win3.11 .. and that's three strikes :) |
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| 18:08.53 | zuri | It /is/ IDE, I just dont know about the connector |
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| 18:09.15 | zuri | OK, here goes... hope it boots |
| 18:09.25 | shingouz | the only laptops i remember off-hand to use something else than a normal 2.5-inch IDE are the early thinkpad 700's which had ESDI and the PPC thinkpads with scsi. and the M68K apples |
| 18:09.38 | eeyore- | all i want for christmas is a navtech database :-) |
| 18:09.48 | abrotman | eeyore-: you've got 6 months! |
| 18:09.59 | eeyore- | abrotman: better start early! |
| 18:10.01 | diomac | ok had enough now, time to install solaris on it |
| 18:10.14 | FieldySnuts | ~pal diomac |
| 18:10.15 | eeyore- | *puke* slolaris |
| 18:10.20 | FieldySnuts | geez apt doesn't have shit. |
| 18:10.25 | pipeline | diomac: Install Solaris on what? |
| 18:10.29 | zuri | If this fails I?m hoping chroot won't... but so far so good |
| 18:10.42 | pipeline | shingouz: Don't forget Tadpole and Toshiba SCSI notebooks. |
| 18:10.45 | FieldySnuts | heh if you think solaris is going to work better on any given system, you're a lunatic |
| 18:10.45 | deadcat | is xvid better or lavc? |
| 18:10.52 | shingouz | pipeline: good point |
| 18:11.02 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: How about the millions and millions of SPARC systems...? |
| 18:11.03 | eeyore- | Tadpole laptops are CREEPY |
| 18:11.17 | shingouz | but they have dual ultra sparcs |
| 18:11.20 | FieldySnuts | sparc doesn't count, it's kind of like aix, it doesn't count |
| 18:11.20 | eeyore- | why would you stick an ultrasparc chip on laptop? |
| 18:11.31 | pipeline | deadcat: for most uses, xvid |
| 18:11.37 | diomac | fieldysnuts a lunatic that has never had solaris nose dive for no apparent reason |
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| 18:11.43 | FieldySnuts | diomac: have fun |
| 18:11.44 | deadcat | pipeline: ok. |
| 18:11.48 | shingouz | eeyore-: because you can. and make it dual while you're at it |
| 18:11.53 | eeyore- | that's like sticking a HEMI on a Honda CRV platform |
| 18:11.59 | PerfDave | deadcat: Theora! Dirac! :) |
| 18:12.02 | FieldySnuts | nosedive is usually indicitive of user error, anyway. |
| 18:12.03 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: Solaris/SPARC has roughly an order of magnitude more systems out there than AIX. Not to mention Sol/x86. |
| 18:12.07 | FieldySnuts | k |
| 18:12.08 | petemc | FieldySnuts: i dont think sparc is anything like aix.. |
| 18:12.09 | shingouz | eeyore-: cool! i like that idea |
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| 18:12.20 | pipeline | diomac: Don't let them sneer at you for installing Solaris. Even Sol/x86 has its good points :P |
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| 18:12.23 | deadcat | PerfDave: thats what it stands for? |
| 18:12.25 | PerfDave | We should get directhex in here, he's a Slowlaris guru :) |
| 18:12.29 | FieldySnuts | big dicks? in toronto? canada? haha, someone is funny |
| 18:12.41 | eeyore- | the HEMI would just totally shatter the drive shaft getting warmed up |
| 18:12.43 | petemc | i run oracle on solaris on sparc, its solid |
| 18:12.49 | PerfDave | deadcat: No, they're both good codecs - Free and competent |
| 18:12.59 | PerfDave | You can get the Trolltech QT4 dance video in Theora ;0 |
| 18:13.08 | deadcat | PerfDave: ok |
| 18:13.10 | eeyore- | shingouz: i'd love to try a Hurricane ;-) |
| 18:13.12 | shingouz | eeyore-: of course it would need some serious upgrades before it would run. the idea sounds fun though |
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| 18:13.33 | shingouz | eeyore-: i would settle for a corsair. i like the radial better. |
| 18:13.45 | zuri | "Insert root floppy or connect a USB storage device" now that's fancy D |
| 18:13.47 | zuri | :D |
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| 18:14.09 | abrotman | zuri: so do it! |
| 18:14.20 | zuri | I think I'm going to have to; it can't find the floppy anymore |
| 18:14.21 | shingouz | eeyore-: speaking of hurricanes... the Merlin? install *that* into the civic :p |
| 18:14.34 | eeyore- | oh yeah, my jeep's got trail scratches now :-) |
| 18:14.35 | zuri | I guess it's trying to read directly from it now instead of through the BIOS -.- |
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| 18:14.45 | eeyore- | shingouz: no idea about Civics ... not into street scene :-) |
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| 18:14.54 | shingouz | eeyore-: ok, you' |
| 18:15.00 | zuri | I just hope it can "see" the USB, I never got USB working in this laptop |
| 18:15.09 | eeyore- | shingouz: the hurricane i was talking about was the dual hemi, 0-degree turning radius jeep show car :-) |
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| 18:15.32 | shingouz | eeyore-: ok, you're a four wheeler too. sounds good. maybe i should teach you a few tricks with a 4x4 ;) |
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| 18:15.57 | zuri | It was kind of a tell that the floppy never stopped spinning when it told me to change to the next floppy |
| 18:15.57 | shingouz | eeyore-: ah. not the real thing then. i figured the Hawker Hurricane |
| 18:16.01 | eeyore- | shingouz: let's go baby! :-) we've got calico canyons coming up in october, moab again for '06 |
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| 18:16.38 | shingouz | eeyore-: i need to get my ass there and get a decent truck first. when i get there, i'm game |
| 18:17.19 | eeyore- | shingouz: i *still* have to trim my front air dam :-) the MT/R still rubs in front a little in reverse. probably have to take a good chunk of the fender off too |
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| 18:17.53 | eeyore- | shingouz: and when i'm done, i can finally put in a computer running debian (obligatory on-topic comment) inside the cabin!! |
| 18:18.12 | shingouz | eeyore-: hehehe. you should have heard the whining and bitching when i installed some 44-inchers on my Ramcharger years ago. tires that big were not usual in .fi back then |
| 18:18.27 | zuri | Not good when the installer gives a core dump -.- |
| 18:18.30 | shingouz | ..not that they are not.. |
| 18:18.33 | shingouz | now |
| 18:18.43 | zuri | But I think USB would work |
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| 18:19.13 | shingouz | zuri: or you could try another kernel too. try with linux26 instead of 2.4 |
| 18:19.29 | zuri | Any idea where in the manual that would be covered? I don't even know what type of install that'd be, though I'm hoping for net install; but the net install section only covers floppies and mini CD |
| 18:19.53 | shingouz | zuri: netinstall off floppies |
| 18:19.55 | eeyore- | you know this is discouraging ... i put up source to a modified Xorg clock (you know, the cairo-based one, with transparency and stuff) up on a Jeep site (it's properly modified to show the picture of the seven-slotted grille, of course) and there's NO TAKER! i can't believe there's no linux-running jeepers around :-p |
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| 18:20.20 | eeyore- | or maybe there are, but they're too freaking lame to compile from source :-p |
| 18:20.26 | sgeigerbot | What is the most popular (or best) jail tool for debian? makejail, jailtool? something else? |
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| 18:20.40 | mtnman | eeyore-: or maybe they don't have a need for your particular clock. |
| 18:20.40 | eeyore- | hey, sgeigerbot! |
| 18:20.41 | zuri | shingouz: The manual isn't very... detailed in that section http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 18:20.42 | shingouz | eeyore-: most are either gearheads or geeks. hard to find a geek gearhead |
| 18:20.48 | eeyore- | mtnman: impossible! |
| 18:21.04 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: :-) |
| 18:21.24 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: hey, the cuddling times are reserved for my two little monkies |
| 18:22.12 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: don't put too much faith in a jail, in a default or near-default kernel there are dozens of documented ways of breaking out, some easy some not very easy |
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| 18:22.40 | FieldySnuts | pax / grsecurity documents is one place to find some info on such things (i'd use the gresecurity patch if you need better security) |
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| 18:23.11 | Esaj_ | does anyone know how to log conversations in talk? |
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| 18:23.21 | zuri | I hope my camera counts as a USB memory device |
| 18:23.23 | FieldySnuts | nope |
| 18:23.31 | FieldySnuts | zuri: most do, especially still cameras |
| 18:23.41 | petemc | Esaj_: script, perhaps |
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| 18:24.04 | FieldySnuts | one camera I use which has a 3" cdrw built into it shows up as a scsi/usb cd-rom , my other one with a CF card shows up as a usb storage device (i guess the other did too) |
| 18:24.22 | Esaj_ | petemc: you mean, write a script? |
| 18:24.33 | rbochan | kppp is unable to find a modem, where should I begin troubleshooting? |
| 18:24.35 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: what are those ways? If a program runs as root, then it can be used to break out...but if nothing is running as root, then what? |
| 18:24.52 | zuri | FieldySnuts: Thanks |
| 18:25.01 | eeyore- | zuri: but honestly, invest in a USB card reader. saves you money in battery usage, and possibly faster than camera direct-download too |
| 18:25.02 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: I don't remember any off the top of my head, dig around for the docs of the projects i mentioned |
| 18:25.08 | zuri | Just hope I don't break anything by doing the zcat img.gz > /dev/mycamera :P |
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| 18:25.24 | FieldySnuts | just a friendly reminder. |
| 18:25.42 | eeyore- | zuri: Fry's (among other places) has 8- or 10-format card reader for $10 or so |
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| 18:26.30 | zuri | eeyore-: We dont have Fry's here. I think those go for about $25 here -.- |
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| 18:26.37 | petemc | Esaj_: no, the script binary |
| 18:26.56 | stew | anyone here read bugtraq via courier-imap? my courier is hanging when trying to fetch body[] on this message: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/404288/30/0/threaded |
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| 18:27.20 | petemc | zuri: wheres here? they're cheap in the uk too, plus you can buy stuff over the internet now.. :) |
| 18:27.39 | zuri | petemc: Here = Mexico city |
| 18:27.43 | petemc | ah |
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| 18:27.50 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: are you talking about pax the kernel patch? |
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| 18:28.04 | aleph_ | hi, all |
| 18:28.07 | rbochan | I'm on a fresh Sarge install, kppp is unable to find the USR 5610 modem, where should I begin troubleshooting? |
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| 18:28.20 | aleph_ | i've got a question regarding ppc version of debian |
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| 18:28.49 | aleph_ | maybe many mac users asked this... can i install debian on an external firewire hd? |
| 18:28.51 | petemc | rbochan: is that a real modem? google to see if other people have it working |
| 18:28.58 | rbochan | petemc: yes it is |
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| 18:29.26 | rbochan | I've spent the last 4 hours or so with google and haven't gotten it to work |
| 18:29.28 | petemc | rbochan: dmesg mentions it? |
| 18:29.36 | rbochan | no |
| 18:29.40 | rbochan | and that's what's troubling |
| 18:29.41 | HiddenWolf | You guys have got a bot here that's advertising porn, might prefer to get rid of it. |
| 18:29.56 | FieldySnuts | HiddenWolf: do we get to know who? |
| 18:29.59 | rbochan | it's listed under lspci however |
| 18:29.59 | DarienLake | HiddenWolf: Debian won't pat for itself :p |
| 18:30.01 | DarienLake | pay |
| 18:30.01 | FieldySnuts | (pleaes don't paste it, just who) |
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| 18:30.13 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: me? |
| 18:30.17 | sgeigerbot | *shrugs* |
| 18:30.29 | eeyore- | rbochan: is it a winmodem? |
| 18:30.33 | HiddenWolf | FieldySnuts, 'S' |
| 18:30.34 | rbochan | no |
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| 18:30.39 | rbochan | it's a hardware modem |
| 18:30.43 | eeyore- | rbochan: is it internal or external? |
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| 18:30.48 | rbochan | listed under Serial according to lspci |
| 18:30.52 | FieldySnuts | winmodems are hardware too. just not 100% |
| 18:30.54 | rbochan | internal, pci slot |
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| 18:31.08 | eeyore- | rbochan: if it's listed in lspci, it's *probably* a winmodem |
| 18:31.15 | rbochan | Serial controller: 5610 56K FaxModem 56K FaxModem Model 5610 (rev 01) |
| 18:31.18 | FieldySnuts | caphuso / mentor : S has an onjoin spam message |
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| 18:31.53 | Schiz0 | Meh. S is a wh0re! =-o |
| 18:31.57 | eeyore- | rbochan: bog-standard hardware modem, not the winmodem variety, just appear as regular 16550-compatible UART |
| 18:31.59 | bennie2 | idd |
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| 18:32.20 | eeyore- | rbochan: as such, will not show up as a fancy-pants modem in lspci |
| 18:32.20 | rbochan | USR even offered a rpm for it |
| 18:32.20 | Eddie | hi guys |
| 18:32.29 | Eddie | installing ubuntu server on my p200 has failed upon trying |
| 18:32.30 | FieldySnuts | heh rpm |
| 18:32.41 | FieldySnuts | Eddie: please talk to #ubuntu then , we support pure debian |
| 18:32.42 | Eddie | would vanilla debian be more likely to work |
| 18:32.46 | zuri | Grrr.. Dumb PCMCIA floppy |
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| 18:32.55 | jshoenberger | !dpkg ubuntu |
| 18:32.56 | Eddie | fiberin_, yeah, im considering going for pure debian |
| 18:32.56 | dpkg | ubuntu is probably NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 18:33.03 | zuri | Someone suggested trying kernel 2.6 .... How on earth do I do that? I suppose I need a different floppy image (?) |
| 18:33.04 | rbochan | I have no idea why it's not in dmesg |
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| 18:34.17 | Eddie | i have no blank cds at the moment guys, can i put debian on a dvd? |
| 18:34.27 | rbochan | eeyore-: dmesg does mention 16550A |
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| 18:34.44 | afabian | Eddie: not only can you put Debian on a DVD, you can make DVD images. |
| 18:34.44 | pipeline | Eddie: Yup, but you will need to use jigdo. |
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| 18:35.09 | PerfDave | You can put a CD image on a DVD, or use jigdo to grab a DVD image. |
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| 18:35.25 | Eddie | ok guys thanks |
| 18:35.35 | Eddie | I know for a fact woody works on that pc |
| 18:35.39 | Eddie | because I ran it on it for years |
| 18:35.43 | Eddie | is woody still available |
| 18:35.54 | Seb | is there a way to have "ping -c 1 bar.foo.com" return afetr a few seconds if it didn't get an answer from bar.foo.com ? |
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| 18:36.12 | pipeline | PerfDave: ISO 9660 is valid on a DVD? |
| 18:36.18 | Seb | pipeline: sure |
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| 18:36.27 | Seb | pipeline: you can even burn ext3 to a DVD |
| 18:36.28 | PerfDave | pipeline: I thought it was. Don't hold me to it, I don't have a DVD-R :) |
| 18:36.30 | PeTeRB | Eddie: Why would you want woody instead of sarge? |
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| 18:36.45 | Seb | pipeline: you can also do it with CDs, too, even though it's highly unstandard |
| 18:36.49 | PerfDave | Eddie: Woody is still available, but is waaaay old ;) |
| 18:36.50 | Eddie | PeTeRB, paranoia i guess, im absolutely sure woody will work |
| 18:36.52 | zuri | Yes, it is. In fact initially all video DVDs came with UDF and ISO96600 |
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| 18:36.59 | pipeline | Seb: Good luck booting off of anything but an el-torito disc. |
| 18:36.59 | PerfDave | Eddie: Sarge is easier to install. |
| 18:37.16 | eeyore- | rbochan: how many 16550 UART does kernel see during boot? |
| 18:37.17 | pipeline | Seb: Then again, I suppose el-torito and ext3 aren't mutually exclusive |
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| 18:37.28 | Eddie | alrighty |
| 18:37.29 | Seb | pipeline: yeah, I wasn't discussing the booting part, just the "you can put whichever FS you want on a CD" |
| 18:37.30 | Eddie | thanks guys |
| 18:37.33 | sgeigerbot | Seb: stopafter 10 ping -c 1 bar.foo.com |
| 18:38.00 | eeyore- | rbochan: your motherboard has two com ports already, unless you disable some. if there's any UART on add-on card, they'll be on different base address |
| 18:38.01 | Seb | sgeigerbot: what package is this stopafter thing in ? |
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| 18:38.26 | eeyore- | rbochan: but those base addresses are common ... you should find list of them somewhere, google likely |
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| 18:38.40 | rbochan | eeyore-: ok, I created a link from /dev/ttyS0 to /dev/modem, and that sees it and I can query it in kppp |
| 18:38.44 | pipeline | Seb: The other thing about ext3 on a CD is that an awful lot of CD drives only support 2048 and 2352 byte sectors. Finding CD drives with 512 byte sectors to boot UNIX systems that used the native format on CD (UFS, EFS) used to be a pain in the ass. |
| 18:38.52 | eeyore- | rbochan: i don't remember them off the top of my head any more :-) 0x3f8 and 0x1f8 i *think* |
| 18:38.55 | Seb | pipeline: agreed |
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| 18:39.16 | rbochan | but when I go to dial, it just sits there at "Initializing Modem" "Expecting OK" in the log window |
| 18:39.28 | eeyore- | rbochan: dude, you don't symlink it willy-nilly |
| 18:39.42 | jshoenberger | rofl |
| 18:39.49 | eeyore- | rbochan: i just said your motherboard has two com ports already and your PCI card, if it has one, would be com3 (or com4) |
| 18:39.49 | rbochan | that's the only way I've been able to even get it to find anything |
| 18:39.56 | amaldo | rbochan: it seems like nobody is listening in /dev/ttyS0 (it's probably just the first serial port of your motherboard, not the modem) |
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| 18:40.06 | sgeigerbot | Seb: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=stopafter&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all It's an old package, I guess. |
| 18:40.08 | Chronosphear | hi, everytime i install a package perl gives me warnings about checking my locale settings, i've googled but all teh solutions online didn't seem to help |
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| 18:40.33 | rasjark | hi all |
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| 18:40.43 | Seb | sgeigerbot: argh |
| 18:40.51 | rbochan | so how would I find with device to use? |
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| 18:40.55 | eeyore- | rbochan: com3 = /dev/ttyS2, com4 = /dev/ttyS3 |
| 18:40.57 | Seb | dpkg, find stopafter |
| 18:41.06 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'stopafter' returned no results. |
| 18:41.09 | tzafrir_laptop | OT: did anybody here recieve some spam from the EFF today? |
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| 18:41.12 | eeyore- | rbochan: "minicom", forget kppp |
| 18:41.17 | nvz | Fuck you kitty you're gonna spend the night, OUTSIDE! ;P |
| 18:41.21 | rbochan | my client wants kppp |
| 18:41.22 | eeyore- | rbochan: kppp is too high-level ... minicom, now |
| 18:41.30 | jshoenberger | Presidents! |
| 18:41.34 | calyth | is it possible to use samba's winbind to authenticate users with squid? |
| 18:41.39 | eeyore- | rbochan: you haven't crawled yet (minicom), don't run (kppp) |
| 18:41.42 | usn | hi all |
| 18:41.48 | rbochan | ok, installing minicom |
| 18:41.48 | calyth | and if it is, how easy if one of you guys have set it up? |
| 18:41.53 | tzafrir_laptop | kppp has a nice built-in terminal... |
| 18:42.01 | tzafrir_laptop | why minicom? |
| 18:42.05 | rasjark | i'm looking for information about installing sarge with sata drive (motherboard chipset) and raid 5 software. Does anyone has already done it ? |
| 18:42.09 | xav | hmm it looks crazy. I've configured sound many times with alsa, it always went smoothly, including on this box. but this time, I cannot get any sound. everything seems unmuted of course, and sound is playing, speakers are on... and it worked fine on my previous distrib, 2 days ago. |
| 18:42.17 | nvz | I don't know whats funnier, that song, or the fact I can bring it up at any hour in #debian and people know it |
| 18:42.17 | pipeline | tzafrir: why kpp or minicom when you can have cu? |
| 18:42.24 | eeyore- | tzafrir_laptop: nice and to the point, easy to set device, port speed, line settings, etc. none of this GUI shit |
| 18:42.35 | sgeigerbot | Seb: Surely this package is available somewhere! |
| 18:42.46 | Seb | xav: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp does nothing ? No sound ? |
| 18:42.48 | jshoenberger | nvz, I love Presidents :( Did you see their concert in Paradiso? |
| 18:42.50 | Seb | sgeigerbot: well it's not in sid anymore |
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| 18:43.01 | pipeline | xav: I'd take another look at your volume control, as silly as it sounds. |
| 18:43.02 | Seb | sgeigerbot: which leads me to believe there must be some more recent alternative |
| 18:43.19 | xav | pipeline: I checked 10 times with plenty of mixers already |
| 18:43.32 | tzafrir_laptop | eeyore-, quite simple with kppp. And the device detection usually works. |
| 18:43.32 | eeyore- | xav: speaker cables plugged in correctly? |
| 18:43.40 | Seb | xav: double-check you plugged the speakers on the right port |
| 18:43.41 | xav | Seb: I tried that, nothing |
| 18:43.44 | rking | is there a way to inspect /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin ? I'm trying to debug a pinning problem (it's not pinning) |
| 18:43.50 | xav | eeyore-: I just checked |
| 18:43.53 | nvz | jshoenberger: heh yeah right.. I wouldnt go see them if it was free and they paid for transportation and beer |
| 18:43.58 | rbochan | eeyore-: minicom installed |
| 18:43.59 | eeyore- | tzafrir_laptop: and the #1 reason --- "it's not KDE!" (drum roll) |
| 18:44.03 | jshoenberger | It is free, rofl |
| 18:44.04 | xav | again, it worked 2 days ago, I didnt touch the box |
| 18:44.10 | jshoenberger | You're a jerk |
| 18:44.14 | nvz | jshoenberger: they are lucky I took the time to d/l their song |
| 18:44.15 | xav | but it seems like a speaker issue |
| 18:44.29 | eeyore- | xav: blown speakers? |
| 18:44.29 | xav | I heard something when alsa is launched at boot |
| 18:44.45 | xav | eeyore-: they are quite new, I don't understand :p |
| 18:44.46 | Seb | xav: try headphones on the same port |
| 18:44.55 | xav | yep |
| 18:44.57 | eeyore- | rbochan: ok, try to run minicom, set the device and stuff ... "ATXDT5551212" |
| 18:45.14 | sgeigerbot | Seb: wget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/stopafter/stopafter_1.2.5.orig.tar.gz; unp stopafter_1.2.5.orig.tar.gz; cd stopafter-1.2.5; make; sudo cp ./stopafter /usr/local/bin/; stopafter 10 ping -c 1 bar.foo.com |
| 18:45.27 | nvz | jshoenberger: I cant help it they write songs like my moron cousin. With the mentality of a 3 year old |
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| 18:45.49 | rbochan | eeyore-: I have no idea how to set the device, but I"ll check it out |
| 18:46.08 | nvz | my cousin has a song sounds like its a page right out of their song book.. goes something like "Little metal box that kicks out the cold, little metal box that kicks out the cold" |
| 18:46.11 | eeyore- | rbochan: at bottom of minicom screen, control-A/Z to get menu, i think |
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| 18:46.28 | xav | Seb: no finally, it isnt a speaker issue |
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| 18:46.35 | sgeigerbot | Seb: The last command will look like this: stopafter 2 HUP ping -c 8 bar.foo.com |
| 18:46.36 | rbochan | yes, I"m at a config screen, it's defaulted to /dev/ttyS1 |
| 18:46.51 | xav | Seb: I just connected another set of speakers, it didnt work either |
| 18:46.52 | eeyore- | rbochan: change that to /dev/ttyS2 (com3) |
| 18:46.53 | VivekVC | I am not able to fetchmails from behind my firewall, i have added the following line to my iptables based firewall script "/sbin/iptable -A INPUT -s 202.88.231.5 -p tcp -j accept". I am still not able to fetchmails from behind my firewall. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. |
| 18:47.16 | eeyore- | xav: you sure it's not muted? |
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| 18:47.28 | eeyore- | xav: and pcm level is turned up? |
| 18:47.29 | rbochan | done |
| 18:47.30 | Seb | eeyore-: heh |
| 18:47.32 | sgeigerbot | Seb: It might be old, but it works. |
| 18:47.36 | Seb | eeyore-: we both know it *is* muted though ;) |
| 18:47.40 | Seb | sgeigerbot: k |
| 18:47.42 | eeyore- | Seb: :-) |
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| 18:47.47 | VivekVC | My complete script can be pmed if needed. I am on a console only system so a pastebin is not possible. |
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| 18:48.00 | nvz | bah |
| 18:48.17 | nvz | VivekVC: don't lie in here, just because you are simple :P |
| 18:48.23 | Seb | VivekVC: you want to pop mail from a machien that's behind a firewall that you control ? |
| 18:48.28 | deigo | okay, im trying to get a apt-get dselect-upgrade going and it says xlibs: Depends: libxft1 but it is not going to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 18:48.30 | xav | eeyore-: Seb how can I show you? |
| 18:48.35 | eeyore- | rbochan: now try to type in "ATXDT8888888" or some other number (hopefully not 911 or some other emergency numbers :-) |
| 18:48.41 | deigo | however, both apt-get install libxft1 and apt-get install xlibs say they are the latest version |
| 18:48.46 | Seb | deigo: you're running unstable ? |
| 18:48.51 | eeyore- | rbochan: did it dial? |
| 18:49.06 | deigo | nah, was using sarge in sources.list just moved to stable which should have been the same at this point |
| 18:49.15 | rbochan | I'm not able to type on the minicom screen |
| 18:49.27 | nvz | I've been chatting from console for like 5 years in here, and its never stopped me from pasting anything |
| 18:49.28 | eeyore- | rbochan: don't worry about echos, just type blind |
| 18:49.34 | rbochan | ok |
| 18:49.34 | deigo | ive done the whole dpkg --clear-avail apt-get clean thing though |
| 18:49.40 | xav | usually I just unmute master and pcm, and it works fine |
| 18:49.56 | VivekVC | Seb: yes, i also want to send mail using smtp. |
| 18:49.56 | rbochan | it's not doing anything |
| 18:50.08 | eeyore- | rbochan: if at the end of typing, you don't hear any dialing, it's probably not on com3 :-) it's time to check "dmesg" and see if the card really really does show up as a UART |
| 18:50.15 | VivekVC | nvz: gpm also is not installed. |
| 18:50.17 | eeyore- | rbochan: i *still* have a suspicion it's really a winmodem |
| 18:50.19 | Seb | VivekVC: then you need to *forward* ports on the firewall to the box on the lan that does mail |
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| 18:50.21 | rbochan | eeyore-: elaborate please |
| 18:50.24 | nvz | VivekVC: I dont have gpm either |
| 18:50.30 | eeyore- | rbochan: "dmesg | grep 16550" |
| 18:50.38 | nvz | VivekVC: you don't even need a mouse |
| 18:50.44 | dondelelcaro | deigo: paste the complete output of the apt-get run; and the output of dpkg --get-selections|grep hold |
| 18:50.52 | Seb | nvz: you use screen ? |
| 18:50.54 | zuri | eeyore-: What's the X? I usually only do ATDT 1234567890 |
| 18:51.00 | xav | there isnt a magic command like amixer unmute all ? |
| 18:51.00 | rbochan | I get 3 lines |
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| 18:51.18 | rbochan | what's the paste url thingie again? |
| 18:51.21 | nvz | Seb: of course, but even if I didnt, I would figure out a way, like /j #flood then /exec -o cat... blah.. |
| 18:51.22 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 18:51.22 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 18:51.30 | rbochan | thanks |
| 18:51.34 | Seb | nvz: yeah |
| 18:51.37 | VivekVC | Seb: Mine is a single workstation at home directly connected to the net. |
| 18:51.46 | nvz | Seb: no need to make dumb excuses.. you work with what you got |
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| 18:51.58 | deigo | apt-get run? |
| 18:51.59 | paster | "rbochan" at 24.92.249.222 pasted "dmesg output" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/307 |
| 18:52.03 | deigo | invalid operation. |
| 18:52.22 | dondelelcaro | deigo: no, the apt-get command you are using to generate the output. |
| 18:52.29 | deigo | ah |
| 18:52.30 | deigo | i see |
| 18:52.31 | paster | "rbochan" at 24.92.249.222 pasted "dmesg output" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/308 |
| 18:52.35 | rbochan | oops |
| 18:52.40 | Seb | VivekVC: ok, then opening ports on it should be enough |
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| 18:52.44 | zuri | ttyS14? whoa |
| 18:52.58 | Seb | VivekVC: you want to add logging to your iptables rules |
| 18:53.01 | rbochan | you're telling me |
| 18:53.04 | Seb | and see why your connection is denied |
| 18:53.11 | eeyore- | zuri: "x" = don't wait for carrier |
| 18:53.13 | Seb | maybe you're not connecting from the IP you think you are |
| 18:53.23 | zuri | eeyore-: Good to know, thanks |
| 18:53.36 | eeyore- | rbochan: show me |
| 18:53.38 | deigo | no packages on hold |
| 18:53.39 | sgeigerbot | Seb: did that work for you? |
| 18:53.51 | paster | "deigo" at 63.69.23.232 pasted "apt-get error and dpkg holds" (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/309 |
| 18:53.52 | Seb | sgeigerbot: yeah, just fine. Thanks man. |
| 18:54.00 | rbochan | eeyore-: http://channels.debian.net/paste/307 |
| 18:54.25 | sgeigerbot | Seb: great. There's also pushafter, if you need it. example: pushafter 30s stopafter 600 hup ssh -n -l dancer $host uname -a |
| 18:54.34 | VivekVC | Seb: mine is a dynamic ip which changes almost every second day or so. |
| 18:54.37 | eeyore- | ttyS14? holy super cow! |
| 18:54.42 | rbochan | you're telling me |
| 18:54.46 | dondelelcaro | deigo: and the output of dpkg -l xlibs? |
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| 18:54.53 | Seb | VivekVC: no, I mean the one you're connecting *from* |
| 18:54.59 | eeyore- | rbochan: ok then :-) minicom, try ttyS14 :-) |
| 18:55.01 | rbochan | eeyore-: ls doesnt' even find it |
| 18:55.01 | xav | can anyone gimme a pipe sign? I can't type it because of some pebcak, and I would like to fix my sound issue first |
| 18:55.06 | VivekVC | Seb: The pop and smtp server of my isp is 202.88.231.5 |
| 18:55.12 | dondelelcaro | xav | |
| 18:55.15 | xav | thx |
| 18:55.16 | dondelelcaro | deigo: (you can just paste that here. |
| 18:55.27 | Seb | VivekVC: wow, dude, you really have trouble explaining what it is you're trying to do |
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| 18:55.46 | Seb | VivekVC: well if you can't connect outbound, you messed up your rules good |
| 18:55.46 | Capkirk | installed sarge on a computer it boots with initrd image now ive compiled a new kernel the debian way using make-kpkg --initrd --revision 1.0 kernel_image the kernel is 2.6.13-rc2 ive copied the .config from the old kernel to the new one so everything should be ok but its not ;-) |
| 18:55.52 | Seb | VivekVC: go back to the netfilter howto |
| 18:55.53 | nvz | Seb: the need to make excuses seems to get in the way :P |
| 18:55.55 | deigo | its lots of lines. |
| 18:55.58 | stew | diego: did you try apt-get install libxft1? |
| 18:56.00 | Seb | VivekVC: and *log* what's going on so you can troubleshoot |
| 18:56.05 | deigo | yeah |
| 18:56.07 | deigo | latest version |
| 18:56.08 | Seb | nvz: mos def :> |
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| 18:56.10 | dfd | Hello |
| 18:56.10 | deigo | same is reported for xlibs |
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| 18:56.27 | Capkirk | when i boot i get : umount : devfs not mounted |
| 18:56.33 | dondelelcaro | deigo: uh, no, dpkg -l xlibs; that's what I want to know, not apt-get install xlibs. |
| 18:56.49 | Capkirk | pivot_root : no such file or directory |
| 18:56.52 | xav | well I think all alsa modules are there. btw I used alsaconf. is it wrong? it worked fine on my laptop, but who knows? |
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| 18:57.11 | VivekVC | Seb: Can i paste my 6 line IP table script in pm ? |
| 18:57.17 | zuri | I wish I could use my Sharp Zaurus as a USB storage device, I don't feel comfy doing dd into my camera x.x |
| 18:57.20 | deigo | 6 lines |
| 18:57.22 | Capkirk | /sbin/init: 432: cannot open /dev/console: No such file |
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| 18:57.27 | deigo | paste here or on the pastebin |
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| 18:57.34 | Seb | VivekVC: definitely not |
| 18:57.49 | nvz | zuri: yeah its doesnt sound like a good idea |
| 18:57.56 | VivekVC | Seb: ok then, pardon me if i get kicked out by the bot ;) |
| 18:57.58 | paster | "deigo" at 63.69.23.232 pasted "dpkg -l xlibs" (6 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/310 |
| 18:58.06 | Seb | VivekVC: no you won't paste it here either |
| 18:58.30 | dfd | I have a problem installing debian sarge from the netinst cdrom.. my network card is not recognized (on-board marvell 8053 gigabit lan). I have the drivers on my motherboard cdrom, but I should compile them in the kernel since I have no binary version.. but I do not have any linux system installed.. how should I do? :\ |
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| 18:58.43 | Granden- | are there any programs like speedfan(windows shit) for debian? |
| 18:58.44 | xpato | hi |
| 18:58.47 | Seb | VivekVC: disable all rules, and see if you can pop mail then; starting from there, add rules one at a time, this way you'll pinpoint the problem |
| 18:58.55 | Capkirk | anyone have a suggestion? |
| 18:59.03 | valdyn | dfd: did you try linux26 at the bootprompt? |
| 18:59.07 | stew | deigo: you might as well put your /etc/apt/sources.list into paster while you are at it |
| 18:59.08 | zuri | I also have an external HDD, but it's like 100 Gb, that's generally not cool in Pentium I systems |
| 18:59.08 | xpato | how can i change the default vim color for comments? |
| 18:59.08 | xav | I thought it was using the wrong device first, because I've an onbard sound controller, and an sb audigy. but now, its even disabled in bios... |
| 18:59.11 | nvz | Granden-: wtf makes you think we know what speedfan does? |
| 18:59.12 | Granden- | are there any programs like speedfan(windows shit) for debian? |
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| 18:59.22 | nvz | Granden-: stfu |
| 18:59.22 | Granden- | someone may do |
| 18:59.30 | nvz | how about that |
| 18:59.32 | Granden- | soory it wasnt meaning to repeat |
| 18:59.33 | VivekVC | Seb: I can pop mail after i disable the rules, already tried that. |
| 18:59.33 | rbochan | eeyore-: /dev/ttyS14: No such file or directory |
| 18:59.38 | paster | "deigo" at 63.69.23.232 pasted "sources" (5 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/311 |
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| 18:59.42 | Granden- | I was gonna paste into another channel |
| 18:59.45 | Seb | VivekVC: good, then add rules one by one and work from there |
| 18:59.46 | ocsi | hello all! I am looking for a WYSIWYG do make a draft of my house (2d is sufficient); does anyone know such? |
| 18:59.46 | nvz | Granden-: you want to controll the speed of fans? |
| 18:59.54 | Granden- | speedfan is a program for controling the speed on the fans |
| 18:59.54 | Seb | jesus, with 6 rules how can it be so difficult ?? |
| 18:59.56 | dfd | valdyn: no.. i haven't i'll try, thanks.. bbs |
| 19:00.03 | Granden- | yes nvz |
| 19:00.04 | nvz | Granden-: thats called ACPI and its part of the kernel |
| 19:00.12 | VivekVC | Seb: how about moving to #flood for a while ? |
| 19:00.20 | Granden- | man acpi |
| 19:00.20 | nvz | Granden-: supposing you have ACPI and ACPI Fans on your system |
| 19:00.26 | Granden- | oops |
| 19:00.30 | Schiz0 | Anyone know the raw IRC command for a /me ? |
| 19:00.35 | deigo | VivekVC: is there some reason you don't want to use a web based pasting service? |
| 19:00.41 | Granden- | no manual for acpi |
| 19:00.42 | FieldySnuts | ACTION #chan :blah |
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| 19:00.43 | deigo | Schiz0: action |
| 19:00.45 | PeTeRB | Schiz0: It's a CTCP ACTION |
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| 19:00.48 | Schiz0 | ah |
| 19:00.49 | Schiz0 | ok |
| 19:00.51 | Schiz0 | thanks |
| 19:00.52 | FieldySnuts | oh oops oh well |
| 19:00.54 | Granden- | where can I read about it then nvz ? |
| 19:00.56 | rbochan | eeyore-: do you think another pci slot might make a difference? |
| 19:01.04 | Schiz0 | i'm teaching myself irc via telnet for no reason at all |
| 19:01.05 | nvz | Granden-: Advanced Control and Power Interface, its the technology that (will) replaced APM |
| 19:01.07 | deigo | FieldySnuts: no oops, thats valid, i telnet to irc sometimes |
| 19:01.08 | deigo | ;) |
| 19:01.13 | nvz | Granden-: kernel documentation perhaps. |
| 19:01.16 | VivekVC | deigo: i do not have gpm installed, nor do i have the x window system installed. |
| 19:01.17 | Granden- | okej |
| 19:01.24 | deigo | Schiz0: its always fun, cept when you miss the pings |
| 19:01.26 | stew | deigo: http://debian.crosslink.net/debian/dists/stable/ doesn't seem to be an up to date mirror |
| 19:01.32 | deigo | VivekVC: lynx = text based browser |
| 19:01.32 | Granden- | but arent there any program with gui to make it easier |
| 19:01.33 | nvz | Granden-: if you have ACPI on your system then you can get some userland application to control it |
| 19:01.33 | deigo | or links |
| 19:01.39 | Schiz0 | yeah lol |
| 19:01.46 | Schiz0 | pongs are fun. |
| 19:01.47 | Granden- | Im trying to convince a friend to change to linux but he only need that then he is chaning |
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| 19:01.51 | nvz | Granden-: you need ACPI PC with ACPI Fans, and the kernel drivers loaded first |
| 19:01.55 | nyu | apt: are you a bot? |
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| 19:01.58 | deigo | cept when its scrolling and you don't have a way to pause it. |
| 19:01.59 | FAMM` | hello, I wanna install php support on a debian root, someone help me pls |
| 19:02.07 | FieldySnuts | ~pls |
| 19:02.07 | apt | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. ... |
| 19:02.21 | deigo | FAMM`: apt-get install apache libapache-mod-php4 php4 php4-cli |
| 19:02.27 | deigo | should get you everything you need |
| 19:02.27 | D3v1L | !woody=>sarge |
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| 19:02.44 | Seb | ocsi: dia will do |
| 19:02.46 | stew | D3v1L: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 19:02.49 | nvz | Granden-: interfacing directly with the /proc/acpi/ isnt really that hard anyhow. but there are userland programs for it.. try apt-cache search or something look for ACPI of Fan related packages |
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| 19:02.53 | D3v1L | stew thanks |
| 19:02.57 | deigo | staniel: ill go upddeb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 19:02.57 | deigo | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 19:02.57 | deigo | deb http://debian.crosslink.net/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 19:02.57 | deigo | deb-src http://debian.crosslink.net/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 19:02.57 | deigo | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 19:03.02 | deigo | whoops |
| 19:03.04 | deigo | sorry |
| 19:03.05 | Granden- | ok thanks nvz |
| 19:03.06 | deigo | im doing to go update my sources and try again |
| 19:03.17 | kdibble | is it normal for dpkg --dry-run -i to succeed (no errors) and then dpkg -i fail with unresolved dependencies? |
| 19:03.26 | stew | tell nvz about away :) |
| 19:03.32 | fortran01 | is there a channel for openoffice? |
| 19:03.47 | stew | fortran01: #openoffice.org and #debian-oo |
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| 19:03.56 | fortran01 | thanks stew |
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| 19:04.18 | asuffield | kdibble: --dry-run is virtually worthless |
| 19:04.30 | abrotman | virtually ? |
| 19:04.38 | asuffield | abrotman: well, it checks that the command line arguments are correct |
| 19:04.40 | ocsi | Seb: thank |
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| 19:04.48 | asuffield | beyond that it doesn't really accomplish anything |
| 19:04.54 | kdibble | asuffield: thanks |
| 19:04.55 | abrotman | that would be totally :) |
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| 19:05.26 | deigo | wow |
| 19:05.28 | deigo | that fixed it |
| 19:05.37 | deigo | just an out of date mirror causes stuff like that to happen? |
| 19:06.09 | xav | well, its crazy. its as if the debian install had burned my sound card |
| 19:06.11 | error403 | Is there any particular reason why every time i use the netinstall, it skips different parts, or does things differently? |
| 19:06.26 | abrotman | because you hit different buttons |
| 19:06.52 | error403 | nope |
| 19:06.54 | error403 | not at all |
| 19:07.03 | error403 | i follow the installer the same every time |
| 19:07.15 | error403 | but sometimes it decides not to do certain things |
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| 19:07.25 | error403 | like ask me what locales it wants to install |
| 19:07.28 | PeTeRB | !qotd10 |
| 19:07.28 | dpkg | i guess qotd10 is <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
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| 19:07.44 | error403 | which is annoying, because i was getting a keymap error |
| 19:07.47 | error403 | and stuff |
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| 19:08.49 | echnaton | hi there |
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| 19:09.37 | echnaton | hi Mash |
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| 19:10.07 | Despite | hi all |
| 19:10.25 | echnaton | hi Despite |
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| 19:11.11 | Despite | i've a little trouble with my apache2. i want to use .htaccess and i can't log in. some idea? |
| 19:11.16 | xav | so why did everyone give up? |
| 19:11.28 | FieldySnuts | on? |
| 19:11.32 | rbochan | me |
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| 19:11.42 | xav | resolving my sound issue |
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| 19:12.05 | FieldySnuts | no idea, not descriptive enough? nobody who is paying attention knows? they don't care? |
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| 19:12.14 | Eddie | guys |
| 19:12.16 | dfd | Hello |
| 19:12.19 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 19:12.20 | xav | FieldySnuts: its enough :) |
| 19:12.21 | echnaton | HELLO |
| 19:12.24 | Eddie | i think i might want to use the basic install then get packages via the network |
| 19:12.34 | Eddie | thing is, if ubuntu cant manage to get online via my adsl router |
| 19:12.39 | Eddie | what chance does an install system have |
| 19:12.49 | greycat | hmm, DSA for zlib |
| 19:12.57 | echnaton | try it Eddie no risk no fun |
| 19:12.58 | rbochan | eeyore-: setserial sems to show that ttyS0 is UART: 16550A |
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| 19:13.06 | Despite | FieldySnuts you are talking to me? |
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| 19:13.15 | echnaton | :) |
| 19:13.18 | FieldySnuts | Despite: no, if I was, i'd have said your nick |
| 19:13.21 | Capkirk | hmm sarge chocks on the new 2.6.13-rc2 kernel |
| 19:13.27 | echnaton | ui |
| 19:13.38 | Despite | FieldySnuts, sorry |
| 19:13.49 | FieldySnuts | yes, when you go and install the kernel yourself, things may break, and you're on your own |
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| 19:13.51 | Eddie | i love the way debian releases are named after toy story characters |
| 19:13.54 | deigo | maybe you should wait till its stable? |
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| 19:14.14 | relbs | is there a Debian Way to configure a system for multiple wireless networks? Like, modify /etc/networks/interfaces so that I can do ifup eth1-home or ifup eth1-work? |
| 19:14.21 | dfd | [H] I can't install debian sarge. I'm trying using the netinst cdrom, but it doesnt recognize my network card (on-board marvell 8053 gigabit lan) both with 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. I have netcard drivers on the motherboard cdrom, but I cant compile them since I haven't a linux system to build them.. how should I do? |
| 19:14.44 | cmihai | dfd: buy a real NIC. |
| 19:14.48 | cmihai | :) |
| 19:14.48 | deigo | plug in a 5 dollar network card |
| 19:14.55 | deigo | or get one of them nifty usb ones |
| 19:14.55 | deigo | ;) |
| 19:15.01 | cmihai | It's 5$ :) |
| 19:15.10 | deigo | lol |
| 19:15.12 | greycat | more likely $20 in a retail store. |
| 19:15.17 | greycat | still a worthwhile investment |
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| 19:15.25 | saloxin | relbs: chek out waproamd |
| 19:15.44 | dfd | .. :\ |
| 19:16.04 | cmihai | dfd: look, just use a cheap 5$ card to install, and figure it out after that. |
| 19:16.11 | relbs | saloxin: will do, thanks! |
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| 19:16.43 | greycat | "Package : zlib" ... "We recommend that you upgrade your clamav package." |
| 19:16.45 | sky0 | dfd: why not try a full image? that should include gcc... |
| 19:16.46 | greycat | Oops. |
| 19:17.01 | LSorensen | dfd: is it pci express by any chance? |
| 19:17.12 | dfd | LSorensen: yes, pci express |
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| 19:17.19 | FieldySnuts | pci express NIC? |
| 19:17.20 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
| 19:17.28 | dfd | yeah, pci express on-board nic |
| 19:17.34 | PeTeRB | dfd: You said it's on-board :/ |
| 19:17.51 | FieldySnuts | you're positive it's on the pci express bus, even though it's onboard? those are usually on the standard pci bus |
| 19:17.57 | LSorensen | dfd: that's probably why. the yukon works great on pci systems, but seems broken on PCIe systems. i believe 2.6.10 or 2.6.11 fixed it. using another card while installing and then upgrading to 2.6.11 from testing should work. |
| 19:18.02 | LSorensen | dfd: what cpu does it use? |
| 19:18.03 | dfd | my mother board manual says "on-board marvell 8053 gigabit lan pci=express" |
| 19:18.12 | FieldySnuts | interesting |
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| 19:18.30 | LSorensen | patofiero: many new PCIe systems use PCIe to connect onboard devices. many less pins to router |
| 19:18.32 | FieldySnuts | you'll need to use another card then, that is the easiest route. unfortunately not all hardware works well in the non-windows world, at least at install time |
| 19:18.33 | LSorensen | er route |
| 19:18.37 | ThePiratemaster | i have the same one |
| 19:18.53 | ThePiratemaster | is it an a8n sli-deluxe? |
| 19:18.53 | [bono] | Question: Does anyone know of a tool to modelize relational dabatases and to generate sql create statements consequently? |
| 19:19.12 | FieldySnuts | that sounds like a question for a db channel heh |
| 19:19.14 | [bono] | Question: I know Poseidon can do that, but its commercial... |
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| 19:19.46 | MrBallZ | hi, =) , I have a problem, i just installed Sarge on my Laptop, I selected the packages I wanted, and everything went fine, and when I boot up, I see like 8 different " kernel " or versions to boot from on GRUB, and also , I cant start a Window manager, computer starts to command line login, but no startkde or startx ... please help |
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| 19:20.26 | MrBallZ | hi, =) , I have a problem, i just installed Sarge on my Laptop, I selected the packages I wanted, and everything went fine, and when I boot up, I see like 8 different " kernel " or versions to boot from on GRUB, and also , I cant start a Window manager, computer starts to command line login, but no startkde or startx ... please help |
| 19:20.26 | ThePiratemaster | u instaled alot of kernels and no X... |
| 19:20.30 | FieldySnuts | ~u |
| 19:20.30 | apt | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1.. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 19:20.35 | S0n1 | hi |
| 19:20.35 | PeTeRB | !tell MrBallZ about repeat |
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| 19:20.43 | S0n1 | in debian unstable digite lilo |
| 19:20.45 | MrBallZ | sorry ... |
| 19:20.46 | ThePiratemaster | U means you in dutch |
| 19:20.46 | MrBallZ | :P |
| 19:20.54 | greycat | but this isn't #debian-nl |
| 19:20.56 | MrBallZ | i have a lot of LAG |
| 19:20.59 | S0n1 | Failure to communicate with kernel device-mapper driver. |
| 19:20.59 | S0n1 | Incompatible libdevmapper 1.01.03 (2005-06-13)(compat) and kernel driver |
| 19:21.04 | mwh_ | Hello, im looking into installing debian stable, 3.1, it will be used for stuff like dhcp, samba and nfs .. my question is, do I need more cd's than just the first one? |
| 19:21.08 | S0n1 | what is this? |
| 19:21.34 | ThePiratemaster | mwh, netinstall... |
| 19:21.35 | LSorensen | mwh_: you could just do netinstall. it is easier. then it will download anything you ask for as it needs it |
| 19:21.43 | dfd | okay.. I'll try using another net card.. :> |
| 19:21.51 | dfd | see you later on sarge :> |
| 19:21.51 | csdgp_ | Quick VI question: how do you tell VI to use spaces instead of tab characters when you press the tab key? |
| 19:21.52 | mwh_ | LSorensen, okay, so I guess I need something to start the netinstall with |
| 19:21.57 | mwh_ | LSorensen, is that the first cd? |
| 19:22.00 | LSorensen | mwh_: the cd install is a pain since you then have to add net sources later anyhow to update and if you use multiple cds it will keep asking you to swap cds. not worth it |
| 19:22.10 | mwh_ | LSorensen, the connection is not very fast, so if most is on the cd, then I will be happy |
| 19:22.11 | LSorensen | mwh_: no netinstall is a seperate much smaller cd. about 110M |
| 19:22.20 | LSorensen | mwh_: what speed is the connection? |
| 19:22.21 | mwh_ | LSorensen, aha |
| 19:22.23 | PeTeRB | MrBallZ: /msg dpkg install x |
| 19:22.24 | mwh_ | 512 |
| 19:22.29 | mwh_ | kbit |
| 19:22.29 | LSorensen | mwh_: that IS fast. |
| 19:22.32 | LSorensen | mwh_: plenty |
| 19:22.38 | MrBallZ | ok |
| 19:22.42 | LSorensen | mwh_: now if you have 56k I would say yeah maybe it's slow |
| 19:22.43 | sky0 | csdgp_: not sure about vi, but vim calls it "expandtab" |
| 19:22.53 | LSorensen | mwh_: you have 1/3 the speed of a T1 |
| 19:23.06 | mwh_ | LSorensen, he he, okay well I guess I cant just install from the 1 installation cd then .. ill go grab the netinstall cd |
| 19:23.19 | mwh_ | just seems to be a little waste of space to me .. only 100MB |
| 19:23.19 | LSorensen | mwh_: it will liekly be faster to get netinst and have it download the needed parts, than to get all of cd1 which still might miss a few things ou want |
| 19:23.32 | LSorensen | mwh_: it certainly is easier to just get the netinst image |
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| 19:23.56 | LSorensen | mwh_: the netinst contains the base system, then any add ons will be downloaded as you request them |
| 19:24.07 | LSorensen | mwh_: a small server should still need less than 300M of packages. |
| 19:24.13 | ThePiratemaster | ppl, when i try to logg-in to my ftp server it sais "this server is anonymous only", wich is not true, i actually disabled all the anonimous futures. any way to fix this? |
| 19:24.15 | LSorensen | mwh_: sure beats getting cd1 |
| 19:24.17 | deigo | is there any way to quickly "clean" the packages that it has available (as in, they will no longer show up if i were to do a dpkg showpkg because it doesn't know about them) |
| 19:24.25 | mwh_ | its 180 MB I think |
| 19:24.36 | deigo | dpkg --clear-avail doesn't actually take care of it. |
| 19:24.37 | LSorensen | deigo: like apt-get update; apt-get clean? |
| 19:25.00 | mwh_ | LSorensen, its like I can get the cd at home, but where im going to install it the bandwidth is low |
| 19:25.00 | LSorensen | dieguito: never heard of dpkg showpkg anyhow. I use apt-cache showpkg |
| 19:25.04 | deigo | nope |
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| 19:25.04 | deigo | yeah |
| 19:25.06 | deigo | thats what i meant |
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| 19:25.10 | mwh_ | LSorensen, so right now its okay for me to download lots of stuff |
| 19:25.11 | kab00m | hi folks |
| 19:25.13 | LSorensen | mwh_: well if it's 512kbit it's not going to take long |
| 19:25.32 | mwh_ | LSorensen, but if cd1 does not work for installing without all the other cds then I guess I have no choice |
| 19:25.33 | LSorensen | mwh_: or you could get dvd1 but you won't need most of it, and the netinst is actually easier to do and use later |
| 19:25.36 | ThePiratemaster | ppl, when i try to logg-in to my ftp server it sais "this server is anonymous only", wich is not true, i actually disabled all the anonimous futures. any way to fix this? |
| 19:25.45 | deigo | i added a repository because it had newer version of php4 and mysql i wanted, and now i want to go back to the stable version (please no sermons on how i should be compiling it myself) but the dotdeb version are still showing up |
| 19:25.46 | mwh_ | LSorensen, the computer does not support dvd |
| 19:25.48 | kab00m | how can i remove a symbolik link? |
| 19:25.49 | PeTeRB | !tell ThePiratemaster about repeat |
| 19:25.49 | LSorensen | mwh_: it does work, just might still not have dhcp and such and maybe other things you want |
| 19:25.56 | deigo | kab00m: rm |
| 19:26.08 | mwh_ | LSorensen, hmm .. anyways I take the netinstall thingy |
| 19:26.10 | mwh_ | LSorensen, thanks |
| 19:26.12 | deigo | rm'ing hard links causes removal of the hard linked location |
| 19:26.13 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: which ftpd? how did you configure it? |
| 19:26.20 | ThePiratemaster | i try to do it as little as possible |
| 19:26.22 | greycat | (and why in god's name are people still using ftp?) |
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| 19:26.27 | ThePiratemaster | vsftpd |
| 19:26.28 | kab00m | deigo: no, this dont work because the dir the link is pointing to i have no write permission |
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| 19:26.33 | deigo | greycat: as opposed to scp? |
| 19:26.40 | greycat | as opposed to anything! |
| 19:26.50 | deigo | better than tftp |
| 19:26.51 | deigo | ;) |
| 19:26.52 | greycat | HTTP is better at serving files to anonymous users |
| 19:26.56 | greycat | scp or sftp is more secure |
| 19:27.08 | LSorensen | deigo: rsync, scp, http, etc are all better than ftp |
| 19:27.10 | ThePiratemaster | greycat: i use vsftpd |
| 19:27.11 | greycat | the ONLY thing ftp is capable of is anonymous uploading of warez. |
| 19:27.23 | ThePiratemaster | i DONT want ANY anonimous users on my server |
| 19:27.26 | csdgp_ | sky0: That's what I was looking for. Normally I use emacs, which I have set to use spaces, and since I'm doing python stuff, mixing tabs & spaces no workey :) |
| 19:27.33 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: check your configs. |
| 19:27.39 | ThePiratemaster | i did |
| 19:27.47 | LSorensen | ThePiratemaster: proftpd I think defaults to not allow anonymous, or it asks during install. it enables regular ftp users though. |
| 19:27.47 | ThePiratemaster | couldnt find anything wrong |
| 19:28.03 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: show us the part where you actually disabled anonymous users. |
| 19:28.05 | LSorensen | ThePiratemaster: very easy to configure and works well |
| 19:28.07 | deigo | why is http better, youd think the more specialized protocol would do better (ftp is purely for transferring files whereas http is for transfering content to be rendered) |
| 19:28.08 | greycat | give us SOMETHING. |
| 19:28.24 | Capkirk | does --initrd used in make-kpkg in sarge rely on devfs ? |
| 19:28.25 | ThePiratemaster | im a security freak so i choose vsftpd |
| 19:28.28 | greycat | deigo: because FTP is on crack. it's HORRIBLY inefficient for single file transfers. the back-and-forth handshaking is insane. |
| 19:28.44 | greycat | deigo: not to mention the second port that's opened and the second TCP connection that's established for EVERY file. |
| 19:28.45 | deigo | so stay passive? |
| 19:28.46 | LSorensen | deigo: ftp is an old terrible protocol. http is designed to take requests and reply with the data over a single socket. ftp uses multiple (in one of its modes. the fact it has more than one mode is reason enough to avoid it) |
| 19:29.01 | greycat | deigo: not to mention the fact that active mode is bass-ackwards, and the CLIENT must accept a connection. |
| 19:29.16 | bobwJek | what is the package that will allow remote desktops? |
| 19:29.21 | bobwJek | NX or something??? |
| 19:29.22 | LSorensen | deigo: http has less overhead than ftp as far as I can tell |
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| 19:29.41 | andrej_ | hi |
| 19:29.44 | ThePiratemaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.46 | deigo | although there is more overheard by intiating the connections, having seperate data streams for files should be more efficient when it comes to large chunks. |
| 19:29.46 | greycat | FTP was designed by chimps. |
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| 19:30.09 | greycat | !tell ThePiratemaster about details |
| 19:30.12 | andrej_ | i need some help with scponlyc, anyone here familiar with it? |
| 19:30.23 | greycat | I have seen NO details from him yet other than the name of the package. |
| 19:30.36 | deigo | basically, i want to clean out the /var/lib/dpkg/status file |
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| 19:30.40 | ThePiratemaster | i dont have any other details |
| 19:30.43 | deigo | is there some way i can do this safely and have it be rebuilt? |
| 19:30.59 | ThePiratemaster | i use port 21 with ssl, vsftpd, client is igloftp |
| 19:31.02 | deigo | im guessing echo '' > /var/lib/dpkg/status might have ill effects |
| 19:31.03 | ThePiratemaster | what more do you need? |
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| 19:31.13 | LSorensen | deigo: but http just sends the data, how can you be more efficient than that? |
| 19:31.22 | dondelelcaro | deigo: can you give me the output of dpkg -l xlibs already? |
| 19:31.24 | LSorensen | deigo: opening a new socket creates more overhead than not having to |
| 19:31.37 | deigo | ThePiratemaster: the configuration file is what he was asking for, namely, the part where your not allowing anonymous users. |
| 19:31.46 | andrej_ | :( |
| 19:31.59 | deigo | dondelelcaro: i already pasted it, and i already solved the problem, thanks. It appears i had an out of date repository in my sources.list that somehow caused the error. |
| 19:32.13 | stew | ThePiratemaster: how did you configure it? edit a file? or dpkg-reconfigure vsftpd? |
| 19:32.18 | LSorensen | deigo: you could try dselect update perhaps |
| 19:32.19 | VivekVC | deigo: The URL is http://rafb.net/paste/results/3UH4Ab17.html |
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| 19:32.26 | dondelelcaro | deigo: ok, then what is the problem now that you're considering killing the status file? |
| 19:32.31 | ThePiratemaster | i edited the vsftpd.conf with nano |
| 19:32.31 | sky0 | bobwJek: depends on what you mean by remote desktop; remote X11 does not require any more pkgs; VNC might do it, and NX ("apt-cache search nomachine") do more/other things. |
| 19:32.38 | LSorensen | deigo: no clue what dpkg showpkg does as I said. |
| 19:32.41 | stew | ThePiratemaster: and what did you change? |
| 19:32.54 | deigo | dondelelcaro: it has information in it from an out of date repository (dotdeb) (note: this is a different and seperate box) |
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| 19:33.12 | deigo | ive got to get like 10 of these debian boxes all updated and patched up |
| 19:33.14 | deigo | ;) |
| 19:33.16 | dondelelcaro | deigo: the status file lists packages that are installed. If it has those packages, that means that you've installed them. |
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| 19:33.28 | deigo | well ive tried to uninstall all of them. |
| 19:33.30 | ThePiratemaster | what port to listen on, anonymous users cannot sing in, the welcome banner |
| 19:33.33 | dondelelcaro | deigo: if you want to get rid of them, use grep-status and purge those packages. |
| 19:33.33 | LSorensen | ThePiratemaster: does nano still wrap lines at 80 characters by default like pico always did? |
| 19:33.34 | andrej_ | i need some help with scponlyc, anyone here familiar with it? please... someone, I'm hopeless... |
| 19:33.41 | greycat | who wants to bet nano wrapped one of his lines? |
| 19:33.46 | deigo | i tried dumping through dpkg and filtering (using grep) by the site: paramater. |
| 19:33.46 | LSorensen | ThePiratemaster: it was a great way to destroy the format of config files |
| 19:33.55 | deigo | but apparently dotdeb doesn't set the site: |
| 19:33.55 | greycat | LSorensen: yes, it does |
| 19:34.14 | LSorensen | greycat: scary default for an editor. It sure shows that it was designed as an email editor, not a text editor. |
| 19:34.22 | VivekVC | Seb: Please do take a look at the URL posted above. |
| 19:34.29 | ThePiratemaster | any better textbases text editors |
| 19:34.44 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: even "nano -w" is ok. |
| 19:34.48 | LSorensen | ThePiratemaster: vim, ae, nano -w, etc |
| 19:34.48 | stew | ThePiratemaster: "anonymous users cannot sing in" <- and how did you do that? |
| 19:34.59 | PeTeRB | stew: Karaoke? |
| 19:35.01 | thor- | hi, I have downloadedthe madwifi source and run make and make install. I have located the modules in /lib/modules/2.6.8/net/. Running modprobe ath_pci still returns "FATAL: Module ath_pci not found.". What am I missing? |
| 19:35.01 | ThePiratemaster | i'll do the -w next time |
| 19:35.18 | LSorensen | thorie: depmod -a ? |
| 19:35.18 | dondelelcaro | deigo: no, but if you've got the package installed and it's not currently available, it's suspect. |
| 19:35.26 | LSorensen | thorie: or a module called ath_pci perhaps |
| 19:35.35 | deigo | im trying to remove all those packages |
| 19:35.38 | deigo | i thought i already had |
| 19:35.47 | Jhair | regarding the gcc 4.0 transition, binutils is still version 2.15 in unstable... version 2.16 (which is needed to avoid breakage) is still in experimental. Does anybody here know why binutils 2.16 isn't in unstable yet? |
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| 19:35.54 | deigo | and now that they are removed, id like to remove the references in the status file, and then id like to re-install them from stable |
| 19:35.54 | dondelelcaro | deigo: you may have removed them, but you probably haven't purged them. |
| 19:36.02 | greycat | Jhair: to make your life fun. |
| 19:36.24 | dondelelcaro | deigo: so just apt-get install foopackage=fooversioninstable; man apt-get; |
| 19:36.28 | LSorensen | deigo: do dpkg -l |grep packagenamecausingproblem, and if it says rc then you have to purge it. |
| 19:36.33 | greycat | Jhair: is there an open bug for it yet? if not, your duty is clear. |
| 19:36.39 | dondelelcaro | deigo: or use aptitude. |
| 19:36.39 | LSorensen | deigo: apt-get install package/stable should do it too |
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| 19:36.45 | deigo | hmm |
| 19:36.47 | Jhair | yes, that's fun, sort of, I just want to avoid to compile my stuff on Ubuntu until unstable works for me in that matter :) |
| 19:36.53 | deigo | will purging mysql remove the db's? |
| 19:36.58 | dondelelcaro | deigo: depends. |
| 19:36.58 | ben_ | <-- linux noob |
| 19:36.59 | thor- | argh. accidentaly closed ksirc. hope that if anyone awnserd they can repete it |
| 19:37.01 | rking | When does apt-get decide to say "Get", "Ign", or "Hit"? |
| 19:37.02 | greycat | Jhair: then don't dist-upgrade it. sheesh. |
| 19:37.06 | ben_ | i've got probably a dumb question |
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| 19:37.13 | greycat | Jhair: NOBODY forces you do upgrade, especially on sid. |
| 19:37.20 | sky0 | thor-: guess this was meant for you... <LSorensen> thorie: depmod -a ? |
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| 19:37.36 | Jhair | greycat: that's fine I am aware of that, I was just asking for alternatives |
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| 19:37.50 | ben_ | i just finished setting up my debian box, but the drivers i chose for my video card are wrong |
| 19:37.54 | thor- | sky0: thx |
| 19:37.56 | greycat | !drxx ben_ |
| 19:37.57 | dpkg | ben_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 19:38.18 | deigo | haha |
| 19:38.23 | deigo | i can't purge it unless its installed |
| 19:38.25 | ben_ | what does that do? |
| 19:38.42 | stew | deigo: you can purge an uninstalled package |
| 19:38.44 | greycat | ben_: read the man page |
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| 19:39.00 | deigo | xFilter:/var/lib# dpkg --purge mysql |
| 19:39.00 | deigo | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove mysql which isn't installed. |
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| 19:39.08 | kingsley | Will someone using unstable please try the following commands and tell me if they work for you? |
| 19:39.09 | kingsley | echo "hello world" > /tmp/text ; aspell check /tmp/text |
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| 19:39.18 | greycat | deigo: dpkg -l | grep mysql |
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| 19:39.29 | ben_ | it says x-server-xfree86 is not installed |
| 19:39.38 | greycat | ben_: you misspelled it |
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| 19:39.52 | ben_ | i copy and pasted what you wrote |
| 19:39.58 | bobwJek | what is the package that will allow remote desktops? |
| 19:40.04 | greycat | 15:37 dpkg> ben_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 19:40.07 | greycat | 15:39 ben_> it says x-server-xfree86 is not installed |
| 19:40.09 | Jhair | bobwJek: rdesktop |
| 19:40.23 | charzero | If I'm going to buy a wireless card for a Debian laptop, what cards are recommended? |
| 19:40.31 | Jhair | bobwJek: that one allows connect to remote desktops |
| 19:40.32 | deigo | i got 3 version of libmysqlclient showing up there and dpkg --purge libmysqlclient doesn't work |
| 19:40.35 | dondelelcaro | bobwJek: xserver-xfree86 will do remote desktops. |
| 19:40.42 | Jhair | bobwJek: windows ones |
| 19:40.47 | greycat | deigo: probably truncated the names. |
| 19:40.53 | greycat | deigo: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ... |
| 19:41.00 | empty | charzero,, anything with a prism chipset is failry well supported |
| 19:41.03 | ben_ | yeah... debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog |
| 19:41.03 | ben_ | Package `xserver-xfree86' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 19:41.13 | Liquid_Tension | I know it's a newbie question, but which option do I add to fstab to make a partition mounted at boot? |
| 19:41.20 | greycat | ben_: this is the point where we accuse you of not running Debian. Is it ubuntu? |
| 19:41.27 | empty | Liquid_Tension, is the FS already in there? |
| 19:41.28 | charzero | empty: don't some of them requie ndis wrapper though? |
| 19:41.31 | ben_ | nope |
| 19:41.33 | ben_ | it's debian |
| 19:41.37 | empty | charzero, yeah most :-/ |
| 19:41.47 | Liquid_Tension | yeah, the line currently is /dev/hdb1 /win vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 19:41.47 | deigo | had to export it too, but that worked |
| 19:41.51 | ben_ | i used the net inst |
| 19:41.56 | greycat | ben_: well then, you don't have X installed yet. apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 19:42.05 | sky0 | Liquid_Tension: remove the "noauto" |
| 19:42.08 | ben_ | <- trying it |
| 19:42.09 | empty | Liquid_Tension, remove "noauto" ;) |
| 19:42.10 | thor- | LSorensen: thx, that solved it that and (or?) doing cp -R /lib/modules/2.6.8/net /lib/modules/2.6.8-pm-686/net |
| 19:42.17 | Liquid_Tension | wow....I'm so sorry I had to ask that |
| 19:42.29 | empty | Liquid_Tension, man mount, man fstab :) |
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| 19:42.40 | Liquid_Tension | I'm actually cracking up in my seat cause I've been using linux for a few years now so you'd think I'd know |
| 19:42.48 | bobwJek | Jhair, I am looking for something like NX or something, but a debian package?? |
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| 19:43.15 | ben_ | one more noob question |
| 19:43.16 | deigo | wow |
| 19:43.20 | deigo | that took a while and im finally done. |
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| 19:43.32 | ben_ | is there anything wierd i have to do to network this computer with my windows network? |
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| 19:43.40 | xav | lol |
| 19:43.53 | PeTeRB | xav: What's so funny? |
| 19:44.01 | stew | ben_: no |
| 19:44.11 | stew | bobwJek: freenx? |
| 19:44.11 | sky0 | bobwJek: NX is a debian package (search for "nomachine"); or you might want a VNC server/client. As I told you before... |
| 19:44.12 | xav | I rebooted on knoppix to check it wasnt a hw problem. then I rebooted on debian, and finally found what was wrong in alsamixer |
| 19:44.30 | bobwJek | sky0, i think freenx was it |
| 19:44.34 | xav | I had to unmute audigy analog/digital output jack :p |
| 19:45.05 | xav | its normal? |
| 19:45.30 | deigo | ben_: run samba |
| 19:45.37 | sky0 | bobwJek: that is the upstream name; if you apt-cache search freenx, you get nothing. |
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| 19:46.23 | bobwJek | sky0, so does debian have a package for it? |
| 19:46.36 | abrotman | !nx |
| 19:46.36 | dpkg | i guess nx is http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 19:46.43 | abrotman | !find nx |
| 19:46.43 | bwlang_ | i'm trying to run accessgrid - but it complains about No module named wxPython.wx... i can't find that at packages.debian.org... is that file supposed to be compiled? am i missing some pacakge? |
| 19:46.44 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'nx' (15 of 17): fookb-plainx ;; iconx ;; imanx ;; libapache-sessionx-perl ;; libmasonx-request-withapachesession-perl ;; libsphinx2-dev ;; libsphinx2g0 ;; lynx ;; lynx-cur ;; lynx-cur-wrapper ;; nxml-mode ;; nxtvepg ;; phalanx ;; sphinx2-bin ;; sphinx2-hmm-6k. |
| 19:47.14 | shingouz | time for some odd questions. i need to set up debian on a 340M pcmcia hd as a fresh chroot install. the PC110 cannot connect to the ourside world at all so i would have to do the whole install on a real laptop as chroot. can i put the apt cache outside the chroot somehow and how would i install stuff without a real first boot? the laptop i am going to do the chroot on does not have an UML kernel |
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| 19:47.36 | sky0 | bobwJek: not really; the free libs and a simple client are there. But not the commercial product. |
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| 19:47.47 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 19:47.48 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 19:47.59 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: yes, use a bind mount to mount the cache back into the machine. |
| 19:48.01 | shingouz | abrotman: :p |
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| 19:48.12 | bluefox83 | where does iptables keep it's config file? |
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| 19:48.23 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: debootstrap will probably also work |
| 19:48.31 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: uh, it doesn't have one. |
| 19:48.35 | csdgp_ | bobwJek: Here's the apt source I have for freeNX |
| 19:48.39 | csdgp_ | deb http://archive.kalyxo.org/kalyxo/ experimental main |
| 19:48.54 | bluefox83 | dondelelcaro, so where does it keep settings? |
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| 19:48.57 | amywilson | ok I have probably a common question where would I go to find a good wifi card that is usb based |
| 19:48.59 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: it doesn't have settings. |
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| 19:49.01 | bobwJek | csdgp_, thank you |
| 19:49.08 | shingouz | dondelelcaro: i was planning on using debootstrap to do the initial install, the apt cache is still a bit vague |
| 19:49.23 | bluefox83 | dondelelcaro, rules then? |
| 19:49.44 | shingouz | amywilson: that is an oxymoron imho. good usb wifi. if possible get a pccard |
| 19:49.44 | Babylonian-Dream | hi.. i need help with configuring cable modem, on debian machine.. i have an ethernet and usb JOOHONG SuperLink2800.. |
| 19:49.45 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: the rules are kept wherever you decide to keep them, and that depends on the package that is calling iptables. |
| 19:49.57 | csdgp_ | bobwJek: np |
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| 19:50.04 | bluefox83 | dang :( |
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| 19:50.16 | tarzeau | what's wrong when i have an ssh sesseion and i get disconnected on idle (like 10 minutes)? |
| 19:50.26 | amywilson | can't do pcmia because my port is shot to heck and back |
| 19:50.55 | greycat | tarzeau: your NAT. |
| 19:51.06 | greycat | tarzeau: use a keepalive to make the NAT not time it o ut. |
| 19:51.08 | bobwJek | csdgp_, so can i run a NX server on my debian box and connect to it from work via the NX client? |
| 19:51.14 | tarzeau | greycat: will do so i guess |
| 19:51.45 | shingouz | dondelelcaro: hints on where to rtfm on the 'bind mount'? |
| 19:51.51 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: the bind mount part? you just use the bind option to double mount the partition with the cache. |
| 19:51.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's a linux firewall ? |
| 19:51.52 | bobwJek | csdgp_, nevermind, i think i just read my answer on freenx.berlios.de |
| 19:52.03 | greycat | imadev:~$ cat .ssh/config |
| 19:52.03 | greycat | ServerAliveInterval 300 |
| 19:52.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: only NAT because i can't afford enough ips |
| 19:52.05 | greycat | ... |
| 19:52.10 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: man mount; should explain it, assuming you've got a suitably recent kernel and mount. |
| 19:52.11 | shingouz | dondelelcaro: i see.. a light is beginning to go on here. rtfm time |
| 19:52.17 | shingouz | thanks :) |
| 19:52.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: i just was checking .. some hardware firewalls default to a connection timeout |
| 19:52.36 | rking | what's the difference between apt-get's "Hit" and "Ign"? i can't see anything about it in the apt-get manpage or the HOWTO |
| 19:52.51 | zinx | Ign means it ignored it |
| 19:52.54 | zinx | due to the date |
| 19:53.13 | zinx | or something |
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| 19:53.44 | rking | zinx: oh, so it always Hits, and then decides whether to Get or Ign the thing it Hit? ...no, that doesn't seem to be it |
| 19:54.25 | PeTeRB | rking: Get means it gets a file, Ign means it ignores it for some reason, Hit means you already have it |
| 19:54.31 | zinx | well, Ign means ignore, in any case :P |
| 19:54.44 | rking | PeTeRB: Do you know what circumstances it will ignore? |
| 19:54.55 | rking | zinx: thanks. =) Not very helpful info. =D |
| 19:55.08 | FAMM` | hello, Please I want to know how to install php support to my box, iam on debian distro, someone help me plz. thx |
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| 19:55.23 | greycat | FAMM`: apt-get install php4 |
| 19:56.04 | FAMM` | greycat: i did that, but when i open the page, it allows me just to download the php page, not to view it, any ideas? |
| 19:56.27 | greycat | then your config is not correct. ask #php or #apache what to edit in the apache *.conf files. |
| 19:56.39 | PeTeRB | FAMM`: < deigo> FAMM`: apt-get install apache libapache-mod-php4 php4 php4-cli |
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| 19:56.41 | FAMM` | ok |
| 19:56.43 | FAMM` | thx |
| 19:56.50 | FAMM` | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.51 | FAMM` | yes |
| 19:56.56 | FAMM` | i did that exactly! |
| 19:57.07 | Babylonian-Dream | hi.. i need help with configuring cable modem, on debian machine.. i have an ethernet and usb JOOHONG SuperLink2800.. somebody? :\ |
| 19:57.14 | greycat | FAMM`: now you edit the apache configuration file(s). |
| 19:57.24 | abrotman | he shuldn't have to |
| 19:57.27 | rking | Babylonian-Dream: your odds of success are greater if you just describe your problem |
| 19:57.40 | abrotman | though .. apparently in his case he has to |
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| 19:57.53 | rking | abrotman: what if he already config'd it in some wacky way that the php4 install wasn't able to contend with? |
| 19:58.17 | abrotman | rking: all it does is uncomment two lines |
| 19:58.41 | abrotman | LoadModule php4.so .. or whatever that is .. and the AddType for php4 |
| 19:58.42 | niclas5 | there's a bug in the newwest isdnutils-base. |
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| 19:59.04 | abrotman | niclas5: file a bug |
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| 19:59.11 | abrotman | or check the bts to see if there's a workaround |
| 19:59.18 | niclas5 | abrotman:bts? |
| 19:59.23 | abrotman | !btssmite niclas5 |
| 19:59.27 | pzn | In some manuals (ex: Debian FAI), it says use class C IPs: 192.168.N.x, but if you have more than 253 computers, use Class A: 10.x.x.x; I've seen this in some places. Why not Class B? |
| 19:59.36 | greycat | httpd.conf:AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 19:59.41 | greycat | somethin' like that. |
| 20:00.26 | abrotman | he's using apache1 right ? |
| 20:00.30 | deigo | pzn: you can use class b's if you wish, just use 10.N.x.x or whatever |
| 20:00.43 | abrotman | 172!!!!!!! |
| 20:00.46 | deigo | the whole 10 a class is reserved, so you can use it however you want. |
| 20:00.48 | tdonahue | pzn, it really doesn't matter what you use. we use multiple /24 networks in the 10/8 address space |
| 20:01.08 | deigo | you can read the reserved numbers rfc for more info |
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| 20:01.21 | FAMM` | guys, any ideas about this: |
| 20:01.22 | FAMM` | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.22 | godzirra | Heya guys. What tells the system to use modules.conf? |
| 20:01.25 | greycat | abrotman: you think he'd *say*? give us *details*? HAH! |
| 20:01.26 | FAMM` | no not this |
| 20:01.27 | FAMM` | doh |
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| 20:01.41 | deigo | lol |
| 20:01.44 | FAMM` | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct |
| 20:01.45 | abrotman | greycat: i've seen it once .. or twice |
| 20:01.47 | FAMM` | THIS |
| 20:01.52 | abrotman | THAT |
| 20:01.58 | deigo | you could try running the command |
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| 20:02.08 | MrBallZ | Question: I can see my atheros minipci wifi card, but how do i Configure it ? ... |
| 20:02.09 | andrej_ | byez |
| 20:02.15 | andrej_ | setuid bit was missing |
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| 20:02.19 | abrotman | MrBallZ: madwifi.sf.net ? |
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| 20:02.36 | abrotman | !tell MrBallZ about madwifi |
| 20:02.41 | greycat | FAMM`: and when you ran it...? |
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| 20:02.43 | pzn | deigo, abrotman tdonahue: I meant: I can use 10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12, 192.168.0.0/16, but why do manuals always recommend 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x, they never recommend 172.16.x.x? Is there a technical reason for that? |
| 20:02.48 | MrBallZ | thnx |
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| 20:02.58 | deigo | because 172.16 is less known about. |
| 20:03.02 | abrotman | pzn: it's a pain to type ? |
| 20:03.08 | deigo | its just more common to find the 10 and 192.168 |
| 20:03.12 | sean_micken|work | is there anything i need to add to a vhost to get perl working if i'm using mod_perl ? |
| 20:03.21 | abrotman | pzn: some do .. but most people really do use 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x |
| 20:03.39 | deigo | ExecCGI if its not set in the default <directory> |
| 20:03.54 | greycat | pzn: manuals don't want to have to explain CIDR to cluebies. |
| 20:04.01 | Kjetil | How do I enable SetEnv in apache-ssls config file ? |
| 20:04.06 | MrBallZ | ok, another question, I just installed Sarge, and now, GRUB gives me like 8 options of kernels to boot from, 2.6XXXXXXX , 2.4XXXX 586, 2.4 XXXXX 686 is that good or bad or what should i do ? |
| 20:04.18 | abrotman | does it confuse you ? |
| 20:04.31 | bobwJek | csdgp_, cant get this freeNX thing to work....the server portion...the client side is just a windows exe file |
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| 20:04.42 | MrBallZ | kinda |
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| 20:04.46 | abrotman | there is an NX channel |
| 20:04.47 | MrBallZ | because it was my fault |
| 20:04.50 | |Babylon| | hi, i have an usb\ethernet Joohong SuperLink2800 Cable Modem, and pppoeconf is recognizing the ethernet card, but not the modem, how do i configure the cable modem :\ ? |
| 20:04.54 | abrotman | try #nx |
| 20:05.07 | MrBallZ | abrotman , was that for me ? |
| 20:05.15 | abrotman | MrBallZ: no |
| 20:05.16 | greycat | |Babylon|: most cable modems don't use pppoe. just DHCP. |
| 20:05.20 | abrotman | i don't htink so |
| 20:05.54 | pzn | deigo, abrotman, greycat: ok. thanks. so there are no tech restrictions about 172.16.x.x, it is "just less common". So I can use this addresses for my internal network. |
| 20:06.06 | abrotman | pzn: right |
| 20:06.20 | abrotman | as long as you know what you're doing :) |
| 20:06.42 | |Babylon| | greycat: i tried to enter to a site, using konqueror, and he can't find the sit |
| 20:06.43 | deigo | MrBallZ: grub.conf controls what you see there |
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| 20:06.57 | |Babylon| | greycat: i did ifconfig and it wrote me the ip 127.0.0.1 |
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| 20:07.09 | deigo | they are simply different kernels that are installed, usually you leave them around if they provide functionality you no longer have, or if you need a kernel to fallback to in case of problems. |
| 20:07.28 | MrBallZ | deigo: so ... what kernel image should i use ? |
| 20:07.30 | greycat | |Babylon|: did you configure debian to be a DHCP client? |
| 20:07.36 | abrotman | MrBallZ: the one that works? |
| 20:07.37 | deigo | generally, the latest version that is stable is best. |
| 20:07.42 | greycat | |Babylon|: did you as your ISP whether PPPoE or DHCP is the correct setup? |
| 20:07.49 | FAMM` | greycat: when i installed php4, it stopped ssh, telnet and etc |
| 20:07.54 | abrotman | ask |
| 20:07.54 | FAMM` | how to run them again? |
| 20:08.01 | greycat | FAMM`: dpkg --configure -a |
| 20:08.07 | greycat | just like it already told you, you idiot. |
| 20:08.08 | MrBallZ | abrotman, mmm... let me reboot to see wich oens i have ... or can i tell you the ones i see in grub.conf ??? |
| 20:08.12 | shingouz | i need to spin down the hd on the PC110 when on battery. ext2 is a better choice than ext3, right? |
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| 20:08.24 | abrotman | MrBallZ: are you running sarge on a P4 ? |
| 20:08.33 | godzirra | Soooo.. anyone know what tells the system to use modules.conf? |
| 20:08.38 | MrBallZ | yes , p4M @1.8Ghz, w/ 512MB Ram |
| 20:08.40 | abrotman | shingouz: mount sync! |
| 20:08.44 | |Babylon| | greycat: how do i make him a dhcp client ? |
| 20:08.46 | greycat | godzirra: modprobe uses that |
| 20:08.49 | greycat | !dhcp client |
| 20:08.49 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
| 20:08.50 | deigo | shingouz: no, ext3 is better because is journaling |
| 20:08.55 | abrotman | MrBallZ: the one that looks like 2.6.8-2-686 is probably the one you want .. |
| 20:08.55 | greycat | !faq |Babylon| |
| 20:08.56 | dpkg | |Babylon|: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:09.00 | MrBallZ | its a toshiba laptop ... wich i still have to find out how to setup sound, and other stuff |
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| 20:09.07 | MrBallZ | ok , 2.6 yhern |
| 20:09.25 | MrBallZ | ok, so no 2.4 ? |
| 20:09.26 | deigo | godzirra: httpd.conf includes it. |
| 20:09.28 | shingouz | abrotman: i take you suggest ext3 then if i use sync? |
| 20:09.40 | MrBallZ | how do I eliminate those kernels ? or .. what should i do ? |
| 20:09.58 | shingouz | fsck, the pcmcia drive is ssslllooowww :) |
| 20:10.31 | deigo | if they are installed as kernel images, you can simply remove the kernel image |
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| 20:10.52 | abrotman | shingouz: do you have any idea how slow sync is ? |
| 20:11.01 | deigo | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 20:11.03 | abrotman | shingouz: it was a joke .. i'm sorry :) |
| 20:11.04 | deigo | section 9.5 |
| 20:11.13 | FAMM` | greycat: now i installed php4, and the ssh is closed, i cant connecto back, the dpkg --configure -a dont fix the problem, any ideas for how to start the ssh and telnet back? |
| 20:11.13 | deigo | sync's are no longer needed |
| 20:11.25 | greycat | FAMM`: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 20:11.33 | deigo | and journaling is better because if it doesn't work, you can simply roll back the changes. |
| 20:11.35 | greycat | "closed". |
| 20:11.37 | MrBallZ | deigo, ok , im looking , thanks |
| 20:11.41 | abrotman | deigo: hopefully |
| 20:11.43 | greycat | i'm not dealing with this person any longer, I think. |
| 20:11.47 | deigo | yes, hopefully. |
| 20:11.47 | tarzeau | can i have a file permission 6755 ? i guess not |
| 20:11.49 | godzirra | greycat: modprobe is ran by what though? Basically I making a bootable client that boots over the net without disks, but the modules arent getting loaded. |
| 20:11.53 | tarzeau | i want to combine 2755 and 4755 |
| 20:11.54 | greycat | tarzeau: yes. |
| 20:12.03 | godzirra | deigo: wrong modules.conf :) |
| 20:12.04 | deigo | or your talking about THAT modules.conf |
| 20:12.05 | deigo | haha |
| 20:12.07 | deigo | yeah |
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| 20:12.21 | shingouz | deigo: i know about the journalling, i am just concerned about the battery life. the hd will be backed up every night with rsync in anycase |
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| 20:12.37 | deigo | ive had problems with my modules before, i ended up writing scripts the did the insmod instead |
| 20:12.40 | Blac]{Sun | hallo kann mir einer mal helfen=?? |
| 20:12.43 | tarzeau | how to only allow read access to someone else in screen? |
| 20:12.46 | shingouz | !de |
| 20:12.46 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 20:13.07 | shingouz | abrotman: i thought you had to be pulling myh leg, that is why i asked :p |
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| 20:13.28 | FAMM` | greycat: still dont fix the error, need to start ssh back |
| 20:13.58 | deigo | how about you run /usr/sbin/sshd ? |
| 20:14.01 | ThePiratemaster | how do i restart vsftpd (sorry for my dumb question but if anyone can give me a quick awnser it'd be nice) |
| 20:14.12 | signey | test |
| 20:14.15 | deigo | the -d flag will be helpful to you |
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| 20:14.26 | ThePiratemaster | tnx |
| 20:14.28 | deigo | ThePiratemaster: is it started as a deamon or through inetd? |
| 20:14.30 | sepski | ThePiratemaster, look in /etc/init.d/ |
| 20:14.34 | FAMM` | r41n-w00d:~# run usr/sbin/sshd |
| 20:14.35 | FAMM` | -bash: run: command not found |
| 20:14.42 | deigo | f00bar: /usr/sbin/sshd -d |
| 20:14.47 | deigo | errm |
| 20:14.48 | deigo | FAMM |
| 20:14.59 | greycat | 16:11 greycat> i'm not dealing with this person any longer, I think. |
| 20:15.06 | FAMM` | it dont |
| 20:15.07 | deigo | i know, but i can't help it |
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| 20:15.09 | phycho | guys... im setting up a linux gateway |
| 20:15.12 | deigo | everyone's been there... |
| 20:15.13 | phycho | it needs to have qos etc (Wrr etc) |
| 20:15.19 | phycho | which is the best debian distro to go for? |
| 20:15.22 | phycho | (its gonna be running 2.6) |
| 20:15.30 | phycho | unstable/testing? |
| 20:15.33 | sepski | phycho, /msg dpkg better |
| 20:15.34 | phycho | k |
| 20:15.36 | sepski | phycho, stable |
| 20:15.50 | sepski | for something as exposed as a gateway |
| 20:15.52 | phycho | well, something that isnt gonna fall out |
| 20:15.55 | deigo | FAMM`: it don't what? |
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| 20:15.55 | phycho | *fall over |
| 20:15.58 | FAMM` | someone gonna help me out? |
| 20:16.07 | phycho | stable = sarge right? |
| 20:16.10 | ThePiratemaster | use sarge, and install linux 2.6.8 |
| 20:16.11 | ThePiratemaster | yes |
| 20:16.12 | sepski | phycho, correcyt |
| 20:16.12 | phycho | k |
| 20:16.29 | phycho | thats what im installing atm.. so its all good |
| 20:16.30 | deigo | you have to provide some information, i gave you the raw command to start ssh again, and if it doesn't work, it should give you errors |
| 20:16.36 | deigo | but your not giving me anything to work with. |
| 20:16.38 | FAMM` | someone help me |
| 20:16.39 | FAMM` | please |
| 20:16.40 | shingouz | FAMM`: check what /etc/init.d has in it. try /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 20:16.45 | phycho | anyone know of a good FaQ for installing a custom 2.6 kernel the debian way? |
| 20:16.47 | shingouz | FAMM`: and stop whining |
| 20:16.57 | BaP|Magnethead | Hey, I am installing a linux from scratch more or less, and I need to unpack some files. Can I apt-get an application to do this or what do I need? |
| 20:17.00 | sepski | phycho, but for a router i'd pick one of the embedded debian children, like leaf.sf.net or similars, but thats just me. |
| 20:17.04 | ThePiratemaster | type aptitude and install it :) |
| 20:17.14 | deigo | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 20:17.20 | PeTeRB | phycho: Why not use the Debian kernel images? |
| 20:17.23 | phycho | sepski - its got a large enough drive, and im probably gonna have squid chrooted on there |
| 20:17.24 | deigo | ^ phycho |
| 20:17.31 | phycho | peterb - i need qos options that the kernel images doesnt have |
| 20:17.34 | FAMM` | it done |
| 20:17.38 | phycho | going to add in the qnet patchset |
| 20:17.43 | phycho | for wrr/imq support |
| 20:17.47 | FAMM` | I will loose my box, please help me guys |
| 20:17.58 | ThePiratemaster | phyco would think the sspe firewall tool could come in handy |
| 20:18.10 | phycho | brb |
| 20:18.11 | ThePiratemaster | http://sspe.sourceforge.net |
| 20:18.13 | tarzeau | screen has 6755 adn tells me: |
| 20:18.19 | tarzeau | Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 755. |
| 20:18.23 | shingouz | FAMM`: you need to tell us what the hell is going on there. just sitting hear screaming help help help is useless |
| 20:18.25 | phycho | nice.. thanks ThePiratemaster |
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| 20:18.46 | sepski | phycho, the reason you use a embedde is to avoid using harddrives or other moving parts in your gateways, in order to reduce chance of failiure |
| 20:18.53 | phycho | ah |
| 20:18.56 | phycho | if it fails.. it fails |
| 20:18.59 | phycho | its a home network :) |
| 20:18.59 | FAMM` | shingouz: i ran the php4, and now it closed all the connections, ssh, telnet and all, i wanna start them back, or i will loose my bix. |
| 20:19.01 | phycho | no biggie |
| 20:19.05 | phycho | i got plenty of spare hardware kicking about |
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| 20:19.08 | sepski | phycho, then knock yourself out :) |
| 20:19.15 | BaP|Magnethead | Guys, what application do I need to app-get in order to unpack .bz2 or rpm files? :) |
| 20:19.26 | sepski | BaP|Magnethead, bzip2 |
| 20:19.38 | BaP|Magnethead | thank you :) |
| 20:19.56 | Danar | BaP|Magnethead: and for .rpm files: rpm |
| 20:19.57 | D3v1L | pessoal pergunta idiota de <html>: tenho uma checkbox, tem como setar para ela retornar um off caso esteja desmarcada? |
| 20:19.57 | FAMM` | HELP ME PLEASE |
| 20:20.01 | phycho | is it ok to comile the kernel on a seperate box? |
| 20:20.02 | shingouz | FAMM`: the restart everything except telnetd. remove the frigging telnetd completely just to be sure of it |
| 20:20.03 | FAMM` | shingouz: i ran the php4, and now it closed all the connections, ssh, telnet and all, i wanna start them back, or i will loose my bix. |
| 20:20.05 | phycho | then move the compiled kernel over? |
| 20:20.06 | FAMM` | :( |
| 20:20.15 | bluefox83 | how do i find out what is blocking my ports? |
| 20:20.17 | phycho | i dont want to have to compile a kernel on a 400mhz celeron.. will take ages |
| 20:20.17 | phycho | :D |
| 20:20.24 | shingouz | FAMM`: and stop repeating |
| 20:20.25 | Cope | 30 mins |
| 20:20.27 | greycat | bluefox83: iptables -L for starters |
| 20:20.27 | shingouz | jfc.. |
| 20:20.28 | FAMM` | shingouz: tell me how to do that pls. |
| 20:20.33 | bluefox83 | ty |
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| 20:20.44 | shingouz | FAMM`: i already did. scroll up |
| 20:20.45 | greycat | FAMM`: I ALREADY FUCKING TOLD YOU. /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 20:20.52 | greycat | FAMM`: if that doesn't work, YOU MUST TELL US WHAT IT DID. |
| 20:21.19 | abrotman | shingouz: sorry |
| 20:21.21 | Cope | !beer greycat |
| 20:21.22 | shingouz | tempting... really tempting... /ignore is so very very tempting |
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| 20:21.28 | abrotman | yes .. yuengling! |
| 20:21.32 | shingouz | abrotman: np :) |
| 20:21.55 | FAMM` | greycat: it didnot work, when i connect back it says connection closed by remots host. |
| 20:22.01 | shingouz | abrotman: when i get annoyed, you will know. ;) |
| 20:22.08 | shingouz | !doesn't work |
| 20:22.08 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:22.09 | abrotman | shingouz: will my head burst into flames ? |
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| 20:22.16 | abrotman | oh . he did tell us .. sshd isn't starting |
| 20:22.22 | FAMM` | yes |
| 20:22.23 | abrotman | or isn't accepting connections |
| 20:22.24 | shingouz | abrotman: that is a good start |
| 20:22.34 | abrotman | or the firewall is overzealous |
| 20:22.38 | FAMM` | is that a bug or something? |
| 20:22.45 | greycat | or hosts.deny is overzealous |
| 20:22.56 | FAMM` | how to resolve it? |
| 20:22.58 | greycat | or he's fucking incompetent and can't read a log or diagnose a simple unix service using ps |
| 20:23.15 | MrBallZ | abrotman: I have the following 2.6.8-2-386 , 2.6.8-2-386(recovery mode), 2.4.27-2-586tsc, 2.4.27-2-586 tsc (recovery mode), 2.4.27-2-686, 2.4.27-2-686 (recovery mode) , 2.4.27-2-386, 2.4.27-2-386 (recovery mode) |
| 20:23.21 | greycat | !debug sshd |
| 20:23.21 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
| 20:23.26 | MrBallZ | so , wich one syould i keep ? |
| 20:23.36 | greycat | and the -d suggestion has already been given, IIRC |
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| 20:23.47 | FAMM` | -bash: sshd: command not found |
| 20:23.50 | FAMM` | :( |
| 20:23.57 | greycat | it's in /usr/sbin |
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| 20:24.12 | FAMM` | -bash: ssh: command not found |
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| 20:24.14 | deigo | FAMM`: how about this |
| 20:24.19 | tony400 | I tried to configure XFree86, and a blank screen shows when I start x. How do I reconfigure XFree86, where it asks me each question? |
| 20:24.20 | deigo | apt-get --reinstall install sshd |
| 20:24.28 | FAMM` | will try |
| 20:24.29 | greycat | deigo: it's 'ssh' |
| 20:24.30 | shingouz | FAMM`: do you have sshd installed in the first place |
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| 20:24.38 | deigo | mmmkay |
| 20:24.43 | deigo | just ssh then apparently FAMM |
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| 20:24.48 | FAMM` | E: Couldn't find package sshd |
| 20:24.51 | deigo | try ssh |
| 20:24.53 | bluefox83 | that was a little harsh.. |
| 20:24.56 | shingouz | tony400: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 20:25.00 | bluefox83 | i think something called lokkit crashed my client :X |
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| 20:25.05 | FAMM` | downloading.. |
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| 20:25.15 | sky0 | sepski: Are you sure that leaf is based on debian? I don't think so. |
| 20:25.36 | nyterukh | helo |
| 20:25.41 | MrBallZ | deigo: I have the following 2.6.8-2-386 , 2.6.8-2-386(recovery mode), 2.4.27-2-586tsc, 2.4.27-2-586 tsc (recovery mode), 2.4.27-2-686, 2.4.27-2-686 (recovery mode) , 2.4.27-2-386, 2.4.27-2-386 (recovery mode) wich one should I keep, I have a toshiba Pentium 4 M @1.8Ghz ... |
| 20:25.42 | nyterukh | hows it going |
| 20:25.44 | rking | zinx: i'm thinking "Ign" means "Ignored 404 not found error" |
| 20:25.48 | tony400 | shingouz: What drxx? |
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| 20:26.01 | nyterukh | !drxx |
| 20:26.01 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 20:26.07 | darren_ | when I try and start blackbox it says can't find display ', what do i do? |
| 20:26.12 | abrotman | MrBallZ: if i were you .. i'd pick a different kernel |
| 20:26.16 | PeTeRB | rking: Not always |
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| 20:26.21 | abrotman | MrBallZ: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:26.25 | Cope | tony400: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:26.26 | rking | PeTeRB: is that one of the conditions? |
| 20:26.47 | PeTeRB | rking: Should be :P |
| 20:26.52 | phycho | is it ok to compile a kernel on a fast box then move the dpkg to a slower box to test it? |
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| 20:26.59 | BaP|Magnethead | Hm.. I need to apt-get an application to unpack .tar |
| 20:27.00 | greycat | phycho: yes. /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:27.00 | phycho | (my gateway is only 400mhz) |
| 20:27.03 | phycho | k |
| 20:27.08 | Cope | tony400: or don't bother if you've already fucked with the config file |
| 20:27.10 | greycat | "only" 400 MHz. sheesh. |
| 20:27.15 | nyterukh | im running debian on a 233mghz |
| 20:27.22 | phycho | haha |
| 20:27.25 | Cope | me is on a p133 |
| 20:27.26 | phycho | i would have used left |
| 20:27.27 | nyterukh | mainly cause this comp was free...so i aint gonna complain |
| 20:27.27 | phycho | *less |
| 20:27.29 | BaP|Magnethead | is there a page where I can see a list of common-use apt-get applications? |
| 20:27.34 | phycho | but... my orinoco a/b/g needs 32bit BUS |
| 20:27.39 | phycho | and old boards just dont work with it |
| 20:27.40 | phycho | ;p |
| 20:27.42 | Cope | !topicsmite BaP|Magnethead |
| 20:27.43 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon BaP|Magnethead. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:27.47 | pipeline | BaP|Magnethead: Debian comes with GNU tar, /usr/bin/tar |
| 20:27.51 | pipeline | /bin/tar |
| 20:27.56 | pipeline | oh, looks lIke I was wrong. |
| 20:27.57 | MrBallZ | abrotman: ok, so i Install that one , and after that I Uninstall all the others ... ??? |
| 20:28.17 | BaP|Magnethead | ooh... sorry :) |
| 20:28.33 | abrotman | MrBallZ: you can .. but it won't hurt anything to leave them there |
| 20:28.34 | deigo | phycho: if you use make kernel-image it should work flawlessly if you transfer the same .deb |
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| 20:29.12 | MrBallZ | all 6 of them ? |
| 20:29.24 | amonkeya | I used dpkg --get-selections but how the hell do I install them again? |
| 20:29.36 | greycat | amonkeya: dpkg --set-selections; man dpkg |
| 20:29.39 | phycho | deigo - will that install the modules as well? |
| 20:29.42 | stew | amonkeya: /msg dpkg selections |
| 20:29.46 | phycho | is the modules included in the .deb? |
| 20:29.50 | ThePiratemaster | how do i restart vsftpd (sorry for my dumb question but if anyone can give me a quick awnser it'd be nice) |
| 20:29.53 | MrBallZ | ok, so to install new kernell , from a konsol as root and do a apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 right ? |
| 20:30.12 | PeTeRB | phycho: Should be. |
| 20:30.19 | stew | ThePiratemaster: /etc/init.d/<servicename> restart |
| 20:30.21 | deigo | theoretically ;) |
| 20:30.24 | ThePiratemaster | tnx |
| 20:30.43 | stew | MrBallZ: yes |
| 20:30.55 | ThePiratemaster | :D |
| 20:31.06 | phycho | thanks guys |
| 20:31.07 | Cope | ThePiratemaster: view /etc/init.d/vsftpd |
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| 20:31.55 | Cope | ThePiratemaster: typically there will be an init script for $service which accepts arguments like stop, start, restart, status etc |
| 20:32.03 | MrBallZ | stew: i dont have to log out from kde ? |
| 20:32.12 | sean_micken|work | is there anywhere the debian apache setup suggests i store virtual host site files? |
| 20:32.33 | MrBallZ | and is grub going to see that new kernel automatically ??? |
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| 20:33.14 | stew | MrBallZ: no, yes (as long as /etc/kernel-img.conf has update-grub hooks) |
| 20:33.24 | ThePiratemaster | u'll need to specifi a new init.d and vmlinuz |
| 20:33.25 | stew | MrBallZ: you of course will need to reboot to use your new kernel |
| 20:33.30 | ThePiratemaster | (am i right)? |
| 20:33.32 | MrBallZ | stew, ok, thnaks :D |
| 20:34.05 | Cope | ThePiratemaster: hard to say - about what? Your view on middle-eastern politics? |
| 20:34.21 | Cope | ThePiratemaster: ah sorry - missed your comment above. |
| 20:34.28 | Cope | ThePiratemaster: in a sarcastic mood. |
| 20:34.39 | phycho | should i use kernel.org sources, or debian's sources? |
| 20:34.45 | PeTeRB | ThePiratemaster: Not quite |
| 20:34.50 | phycho | aka apt-get |
| 20:34.53 | Thanatermesis | I have created a package with a driver for my "debian based distro", this is a driver for the kernel used in the "base" system... ok, Im in chroot and like to install this package, in the chroot of the new system Im have the kernel 2.6.11 (same for the package driver), in MY system Im use a kernel 2.6.10, Im enter in chroot and install the package, after have an error, "no such /lib/modules/2.6.10/...." ok, `uname -r` shows MY ker |
| 20:34.53 | Thanatermesis | nel use this number for make "depmod -a" in the chroot... what are the best method of install this package ? |
| 20:35.04 | Thanatermesis | wow, sorry for the flood (and my bad english) |
| 20:35.06 | MrBallZ | stew, what about the other kernel images, abrotman says its no harm on letting them stay there ... but grub shows a big list , wich ones should i take out ??? |
| 20:35.18 | mbonnet | someone know what package is needed to read *.wmv ? |
| 20:35.34 | stew | MrBallZ: apt-get remove kenrel-image-foo for whatever kernel's you don't want |
| 20:35.34 | MobyTurbo | mbonnet: mplayer or vlc |
| 20:35.38 | MrBallZ | should i take out 2.6-386 ??? |
| 20:35.54 | MrBallZ | what about 2.4.27-2-586tsc ??? |
| 20:35.54 | MobyTurbo | !debian based |
| 20:35.54 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 20:35.58 | greycat | mbonnet: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 20:36.01 | mbonnet | just installed vlc, but don't seem to support *.wmv |
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| 20:36.13 | greycat | mbonnet: search for w32codecs on marillat. |
| 20:36.25 | deigo | phycho: you should apt-get the kernel-source |
| 20:36.27 | PeTeRB | Thanatermesis: chroot uses your current kernel. |
| 20:36.31 | mbonnet | marillat ? |
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| 20:36.35 | deigo | phycho: that way itll have the debian patches already added. |
| 20:36.43 | MobyTurbo | mbonnet: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:36.53 | MobyTurbo | dpkg: is there anything you don't know? |
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| 20:37.01 | Cope | dpkg rocks |
| 20:37.01 | dpkg | Yer damned right... |
| 20:37.13 | phycho | deigo - thanks |
| 20:37.19 | deigo | np |
| 20:37.20 | Thanatermesis | yes PeTeRB , if Im create a symlink from /lib/modules/kernel-chroot to /lib/modules/my-kernel-number is a good method? :/ |
| 20:37.49 | gabi | i have something weird with make-kpkg --initrd, while installing the new kernel package, it complains about the kernel to not support lvm ... which is |
| 20:38.14 | PeTeRB | Thanatermesis: No idea. |
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| 20:38.44 | abrotman | MrBallZ: i just meant you don't have to |
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| 20:39.10 | greaghoir | greetings all - is there a "cheat sheet" that anyone knows of that will tell me what NIC drivers to use for mt DLINK card? |
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| 20:39.30 | abrotman | depends ont eh chipset |
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| 20:39.59 | greaghoir | abrotman: was that for em ? |
| 20:40.03 | greaghoir | err me? |
| 20:40.03 | abrotman | greaghoir: yes |
| 20:40.07 | greaghoir | hmmm |
| 20:40.08 | MrBallZ | abrotman: how do i see the name of the package for a certain kernel ... 2.6.8.2-386 |
| 20:40.10 | MrBallZ | =D |
| 20:40.14 | greaghoir | might you elaborate a bit please |
| 20:40.23 | abrotman | MrBallZ: trust me .. you want kernel-image-2.6-686 to install |
| 20:40.41 | abrotman | if you want to uninstall others .. `export COLUMNS=150;dpkg -l | grep kernel-image` |
| 20:40.52 | abrotman | greaghoir: what chipset is your dlink card ? |
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| 20:40.57 | abrotman | greaghoir: is it wifi ? |
| 20:40.59 | greaghoir | Abrotman: its the DFE-670TXD |
| 20:41.00 | MrBallZ | i want to unistall the 386 |
| 20:41.04 | MrBallZ | i installed 686 |
| 20:41.07 | greaghoir | no - cat |
| 20:41.08 | abrotman | greaghoir: did you install discover? .. most cards are found via discover |
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| 20:41.49 | greaghoir | Abrot: i have to have access to network to install anything - only had the 1st cd |
| 20:42.00 | greaghoir | need to set up for apt-get and updates |
| 20:42.01 | abrotman | greaghoir: and when you google `DFE-670TXD debian driver` .. you get nothing ? |
| 20:42.12 | modify | is there a good howto on setting up debian as a squirrelmail server? |
| 20:42.14 | abrotman | does your NIC work or not ? |
| 20:42.22 | abrotman | dmesg | grep eth |
| 20:42.43 | greaghoir | abrotman: good thinking LOL |
| 20:42.53 | rking | modify: have you tried apt-get install squirrelmail ? |
| 20:43.03 | Babylonian-Dream | hi... i configure my joohong superlink2800 usb\ethernet cable modem, in ethernet under debian, with dhcp... it does work, but it takes me to the main page, where i shall choose dialer... how do i make a dialer in debian for the connection? |
| 20:43.12 | greaghoir | Abrotman: yes it works |
| 20:43.13 | abrotman | greaghoir: it's pcmcia right ? |
| 20:43.18 | abrotman | greaghoir: it just has no IP ? |
| 20:43.24 | greaghoir | Abrotman: yes |
| 20:43.30 | abrotman | greaghoir: ifconfig -a ? |
| 20:43.32 | Danar | anyone use elinks? |
| 20:43.36 | FAMM` | I installed php4, how to config it with woody? |
| 20:43.42 | greaghoir | abrotman: from what I can tell I am not getting out at al |
| 20:43.45 | greaghoir | err all |
| 20:43.53 | abrotman | greaghoir: does ifconfig -a show it ? |
| 20:43.58 | Danar | it won't let me type in an input box. every time i hit 'a' it brings up the add bookmark dialog... |
| 20:44.18 | modify | doing it now, but that doesn't tell me about setting it up, I wan't to have my server pop mail from our provider then have my users use squirrelmail via imap, also want them to have a central address book |
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| 20:44.54 | greaghoir | abrot: well i get something with that command |
| 20:44.57 | abrotman | greaghoir: it's possible that networking started before pcmcia .. you might have to restart networking ... /etc/init.d/networking restart .. and you also may have to configure interfaces .. man 5 interfaces |
| 20:45.01 | FAMM` | how to config php4 with debian? |
| 20:45.08 | greaghoir | abrotman: link encap: local loopback |
| 20:45.13 | MrBallZ | abrotman, deigo: THANKYOU very much !!! =) |
| 20:45.15 | Danar | anyone? |
| 20:45.17 | mbonnet | Moby Turbo: greycat: thank you |
| 20:45.32 | abrotman | greaghoir: try to restart `/etc/init.d/networking restart` .. ... then ifconfig -a again |
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| 20:45.47 | FAMM` | Someone tell me how to config php with debian ;/ |
| 20:46.00 | deigo | pico /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
| 20:46.06 | greaghoir | i have had all this working on thisold laptop before but i reloaded after nearly a year of non use and now i cant remember which driver module i used |
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| 20:46.12 | greaghoir | will check google closer |
| 20:46.14 | orjan | To see if I set allow to cups on the server correct what port shall I telnet to? |
| 20:46.15 | raf256 | when the FUCK will be xorg in testing? |
| 20:46.24 | doleyb | I have some "DVD+R" labelled as holding 4.7GB. Can growisofs put more than 4.4 gig on them? |
| 20:46.37 | dondelelcaro | raf256: 10+ days after it is uploaded to unstable. |
| 20:46.38 | abrotman | raf256: read the fucking topic |
| 20:46.43 | stew | raf256: /msg dpkg wir ; /msg dpkg siyh ; sometime after its been in unstable for a while |
| 20:46.46 | rking | modify: the typical process for me is: apt-get install glumpit; dpkg -L glumpit (will show you what kinds of docs and manpages come with it... keep an eye out for examples files, etc). also, be sure to pay attention to the Recommends: lines when you apt-get in case the docs come separately from the pkg |
| 20:46.46 | raf256 | FAMM`: edit the php.ini file in the /etc/php/* probably |
| 20:47.04 | Babylonian-Dream | someone :\ ? hi... i configure my joohong superlink2800 usb\ethernet cable modem, in ethernet under debian, with dhcp... it does work, but it takes me to the main page, where i shall choose dialer... how do i make a dialer in debian for the connection? |
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| 20:47.15 | FAMM` | deigo: ok i enetered /etc/php4/apache/php.ini, now what? |
| 20:47.50 | Danar | how do i enter text in links? |
| 20:47.53 | FAMM` | ? |
| 20:47.57 | stew | raf256: here's how you help: http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk/debian/TODO |
| 20:47.58 | Danar | *in elinks |
| 20:47.59 | raf256 | !tell Guerin about fucking |
| 20:48.06 | FAMM` | LOL |
| 20:48.08 | phycho | lol |
| 20:48.15 | raf256 | what ;) |
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| 20:48.28 | doleyb | Danar: move to the text field, push enter, type stuff. |
| 20:48.29 | FAMM` | how to edit /etc/php4/apache/php.ini !! |
| 20:48.29 | amonkeya | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:48.47 | raf256 | FAMM`: using some text editor I suppose. Like vi vim emacs, |
| 20:48.47 | stew | FAMM`: /usr/bin/editor /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
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| 20:49.01 | hippie | FAMM`: What do you want to edit in there? What part of it isn't configured? How do you know it isn't configured? |
| 20:49.02 | FAMM` | Just open both? |
| 20:49.02 | raf256 | FAMM`: or if you are newbie try pico, or use kedit kwrite if in X mode |
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| 20:49.07 | Danar | doleyb: thx |
| 20:49.10 | abrotman | who the fuck uses pico |
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| 20:49.13 | stew | raf256: pico isn't in debian |
| 20:49.18 | abrotman | and that |
| 20:49.19 | FAMM` | pico is |
| 20:49.20 | FAMM` | LOL |
| 20:49.22 | raf256 | it isnt.. oh |
| 20:49.23 | beardy | nano |
| 20:49.27 | raf256 | yes, nano I ment |
| 20:49.28 | stew | FAMM`: its not |
| 20:49.32 | FAMM` | apt-get install pico |
| 20:49.32 | FAMM` | ;p |
| 20:49.34 | FAMM` | ok |
| 20:49.35 | phycho | lol |
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| 20:49.39 | passi | hey there. can anyone tell me if i can just compile my xorg server from cvs by hand on debian and switch without problems or if i would have to expect bigger problems |
| 20:49.41 | FAMM` | what i write in that file? |
| 20:49.43 | FAMM` | just open it? |
| 20:49.44 | phycho | is it just me, or are pico and nano exactly the same :P |
| 20:49.54 | deigo | abrotman: i uses nano, but i symlink it to pico cause im used to typing it, and i happen to like its functionality |
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| 20:49.57 | stew | phycho: nano is a free pico clone |
| 20:50.00 | zinx | passi: you should expect humungous problems if you do it that way |
| 20:50.00 | phycho | k |
| 20:50.07 | deigo | right, so we don't have to deal with pine's license |
| 20:50.11 | phycho | ah k |
| 20:50.17 | zinx | passi: it's likely you would irrevocably destroy your system if you did that |
| 20:50.26 | deigo | FAMM`: what is it your trying to do |
| 20:50.29 | FAMM` | guys, please explain to me, what exactly i should to |
| 20:50.34 | FAMM` | config php4 with debian |
| 20:50.35 | zinx | passi: as far as ever hoping to use .debs again goes, anyway |
| 20:50.36 | passi | zinx, i thought they are quite compatible |
| 20:50.37 | FAMM` | thats all |
| 20:50.39 | raf256 | passi: God kills a kitten each time you recompile Xorg in debian |
| 20:50.43 | phycho | lol |
| 20:50.43 | lestest | hi there ... if I want to set up a secondary dns server I just need to configure another server with the same files? |
| 20:50.43 | stew | FAMM`: did you apt-get install php4? |
| 20:50.48 | deigo | FAMM`: by config, what is it you mean? |
| 20:50.54 | FAMM` | yes |
| 20:50.57 | FAMM` | i did all |
| 20:50.57 | beardy | Nano is free, and is useful. Pico lacks some functions (has been that way anyway) that is quite essential. |
| 20:50.58 | zinx | passi: the X.org *DEBS* are compatible. non-package-managed stuff is most definitely a bad idea |
| 20:51.00 | FAMM` | and i opene /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
| 20:51.02 | deigo | FAMM`: anwser my question |
| 20:51.03 | stew | FAMM`: so what is not working? |
| 20:51.03 | FAMM` | now what? |
| 20:51.07 | deigo | you say you want to configure it |
| 20:51.10 | deigo | what do you mean by that? |
| 20:51.13 | zinx | passi: especially since you have to install it to the same place as the managed stuff for everything to work right. |
| 20:51.16 | PerfDave | Non-package-managed stuff is a better idea than mixing packages from other distros :) |
| 20:51.18 | passi | damn, i need that cvs version because i would like to get my ati card in the powerbook 3d accellerated |
| 20:51.19 | FAMM` | when i open a file on the web, it downloads it, not open it |
| 20:51.20 | PerfDave | lestest: Which DNS server? |
| 20:51.24 | raf256 | !wayttd FAMM` |
| 20:51.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, FAMM`? |
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| 20:51.27 | zinx | PerfDave: there are X.org debs |
| 20:51.30 | bluefox83 | how do i open up a specific port if i am not using ANY firewall applications? |
| 20:51.32 | lestest | PerfDave: ~named |
| 20:51.34 | liable | FAMM`: jesus dude, how about reading some documentation and at least *trying* to work it out yourself. |
| 20:51.34 | zinx | PerfDave: for Debian. |
| 20:51.42 | greycat | if you have no firewall, all your ports are unblocked. |
| 20:51.43 | lestest | PerfDave: bind sorry |
| 20:51.45 | deigo | bluefox83: then the port is open, if you want to LISTEN on the port, use netcat |
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| 20:51.51 | PerfDave | lestest: Read the BIND documentation. It's not that simple. |
| 20:51.55 | FAMM` | it dont view the php pages, just download it |
| 20:51.57 | aaron_ | hi there |
| 20:51.57 | liable | bluefox83: have a service listening on it... |
| 20:52.00 | greycat | install whatever application is supposed to service that port. |
| 20:52.03 | abrotman | FAMM`: ask #php or #apache |
| 20:52.03 | FAMM` | i wanna view it, not to download!!! |
| 20:52.04 | Babylonian-Dream | :\ please :( |
| 20:52.06 | passi | zinx, i will have a try but will do a backup before :) |
| 20:52.10 | stew | FAMM`: generally it means you need to uncomment an AddType directive for php4 |
| 20:52.11 | jimbo | It seems like with each debian installation that I have, the ~/.bashrc file isn't initialized on login. I must . .bashrc each time before it is read. Has anyone else seen this? If I change my shell to ... let's say zsh, then it reads the .zshrc file upon login. |
| 20:52.12 | raf256 | !please |
| 20:52.12 | FAMM` | i asked there, they said come ask in here. |
| 20:52.12 | dpkg | Do I look like an information bitch, raf256? |
| 20:52.14 | deigo | FAMM`: apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 20:52.16 | zinx | X.org and XFree86 are both huge things you do -not- want to install manually to the same place packaged versions use |
| 20:52.16 | abrotman | stew: he's been told |
| 20:52.21 | FAMM` | i installed it. |
| 20:52.25 | raf256 | FAMM`: or apache2-* |
| 20:52.31 | MrBallZ | weee, ok, now i'm running kernel 2.6-686 , what are the " advantages " over 2.4.27-686 ??? |
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| 20:52.36 | lestest | PerfDave: any simplest tool? |
| 20:52.41 | lestest | simpler |
| 20:52.42 | deigo | MrBallZ: better hardware compatability? |
| 20:52.47 | masoft | FAMM`, what kind of config do you need ?! |
| 20:52.50 | raf256 | MrBallZ: more hardware, security perhaps |
| 20:52.53 | phycho | major laaaaag |
| 20:53.00 | raf256 | general ping |
| 20:53.02 | greycat | MrBallZ: built-in ALSA, newer drivers for some hardware, new scheduler that's allegedly faster for some desktop setups |
| 20:53.03 | shingouz | !tell Babylonian-Dream about ask |
| 20:53.07 | shingouz | !tell Babylonian-Dream about sicco |
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| 20:53.16 | FAMM` | in ##php they told me to ask about its config.. |
| 20:53.25 | beardy | jimbo: Edit, and read your ~/.bash_profile, there are already a commented out line that sources your .bashrc if you want to. |
| 20:53.33 | deigo | FAMM`: once again type what i said |
| 20:53.38 | deigo | apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 20:53.45 | deigo | your pretty hard to help you know that? |
| 20:53.45 | FAMM` | I INSTALLED IT ALREADY |
| 20:53.46 | FAMM` | :S |
| 20:53.49 | deigo | then you do |
| 20:53.57 | deigo | /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 20:53.58 | raf256 | FAMM`: it should work instantly. Install libapache as deigo and install apache, and php4. it should work. if doesnt, the reinstall --purge |
| 20:54.00 | Eddie | guys are you sure it isnt possible to just take a bootable iso, unpack it, then use something like nero to burn it onto a dvd to use? ive no blank cds left? |
| 20:54.01 | deigo | and you should have php support |
| 20:54.02 | raf256 | --reinstall |
| 20:54.04 | PerfDave | lestest: If you want to run proper master/slave servers, no. Once you get BIND working properly, it'll be fine. |
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| 20:54.13 | stew | FAMM`: you have an AddType directive in the apache config for php? |
| 20:54.20 | FAMM` | i installed all of those packages |
| 20:54.23 | FAMM` | believe me guys |
| 20:54.23 | PerfDave | Eddie: If you unpack a bootable ISO and burn the files, you won't get the boot sector and it won't work. |
| 20:54.23 | FAMM` | LOL |
| 20:54.27 | abrotman | i haven't even figured out if he's fucking with apache1 or apache2 |
| 20:54.34 | phycho | lol |
| 20:54.35 | Babylonian-Dream | hi... i configure my joohong superlink2800 usb\ethernet cable modem, in ethernet under debian, with dhcp... it does work, but it takes me to the main page, where i shall choose dialer... how do i make a dialer in debian for the connection? |
| 20:54.38 | jimbo | beardy: Thanks a million. I'll give that a try. |
| 20:54.40 | deigo | stew: when you apt-get the php4 module itll take care of it in modules.conf |
| 20:54.45 | deigo | he did apt-get apache |
| 20:54.45 | Eddie | PerfDave, is there any way of doing it? |
| 20:54.46 | raf256 | FAMM`: you have apache or apache2? if just pache, remobe it and get apache2 |
| 20:54.48 | deigo | so he's still in 1.3 |
| 20:54.51 | stew | deigo: not necessarily |
| 20:54.56 | deigo | mkay |
| 20:54.57 | phycho | apache 1.3.x works fine |
| 20:54.57 | shingouz | Babylonian-Dream: we heard that the first time. what is the problem you have with it |
| 20:54.58 | lestest | PerfDave: ok thankz |
| 20:55.00 | phycho | im still using 1.x |
| 20:55.05 | raf256 | phycho: isnt 2 better? |
| 20:55.06 | PerfDave | Eddie: Of doing what? |
| 20:55.08 | phycho | why re-invent the wheel =) |
| 20:55.10 | abrotman | since apache2 and php4 comingle much differently |
| 20:55.11 | deigo | assuming he's in the stable branch and he did apt-get apache that is generally true |
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| 20:55.12 | Babylonian-Dream | i need to type my user name and password |
| 20:55.15 | phycho | just because its newer doesnt mean its better ;p |
| 20:55.17 | stew | deigo: i'm assuming you don't know how he answered the debconf question |
| 20:55.25 | Babylonian-Dream | and i don't know how to make a dialer to do so |
| 20:55.32 | hippie | phycho: but... but... it's /twice/ 1.x! |
| 20:55.32 | phycho | i only use 1.3 because i stick to what i know :) |
| 20:55.34 | bluefox83 | what the heck kind of service listens on 2050? |
| 20:55.44 | phycho | cat /etc/services | grep 2050 |
| 20:55.45 | phycho | :P |
| 20:55.47 | phycho | see if its listed |
| 20:55.47 | shingouz | Babylonian-Dream: do you need a dialer to connect? PPPoE on the connection? |
| 20:55.48 | Eddie | PerfDave, of burning one of the network install isos to dvd instead of cd because i have no blank cds at the moment |
| 20:55.50 | Nwallins | ok, so I just registered 'blah.com'.. what are the basics of running a mail server such that I can add and manage any number of email addys like blah@blah.com ? is exim4 all I need? |
| 20:55.52 | greycat | bluefox83: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 20:56.02 | greycat | Nwallins: yes |
| 20:56.04 | phycho | nwallins - search google for "virtual exim" |
| 20:56.07 | Babylonian-Dream | pppoe is not working, and yes i do need a dialer to connect |
| 20:56.08 | Babylonian-Dream | :\ |
| 20:56.08 | phycho | if you want virtual mailboxes |
| 20:56.12 | greycat | Nwallins: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 20:56.14 | phycho | with antivirus filtering etc |
| 20:56.18 | deigo | http://docs.php.net/it/install.unix.apache2.html |
| 20:56.20 | beardy | jimbo: No problem. It's close to the top of the file, look for "# include .bashrc if it exists" |
| 20:56.22 | Nwallins | greycat: on it, thanks |
| 20:56.22 | phycho | thats what i use and it works great |
| 20:56.23 | phycho | :) |
| 20:56.27 | deigo | for how apache1 and 2 differ on unix systems. |
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| 20:56.44 | phycho | lol |
| 20:56.46 | PerfDave | Eddie: Can you not just download a DVD image, or burn a CD image to DVD? |
| 20:56.48 | phycho | NEVER IRC AS ROOT ;p |
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| 20:57.01 | Overand | In fact, don't use your computer as root either. |
| 20:57.03 | deigo | theres a debconf question when you apt-get apache ? cause ijust did it and it stuck me in the 1.3 |
| 20:57.05 | phycho | haha |
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| 20:57.10 | MrBallZ | weeeee, sound is suported now !!!!, now i have to find out about other stuff ... like wireless :S |
| 20:57.13 | Overand | Don't run X as root. |
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| 20:57.16 | idle_idol | j #Knoppix |
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| 20:57.17 | Overand | Don't delete things as root. |
| 20:57.18 | Eddie | PerfDave, is it possible to burn a cd image to dvd? |
| 20:57.20 | idle_idol | D'oh. |
| 20:57.20 | empty | Don't let root SSH |
| 20:57.21 | shingouz | Babylonian-Dream: connect the damn thing with ethernet in the first place. |
| 20:57.24 | Eddie | Dont have sex as root |
| 20:57.30 | hippie | I run with scissors while root. |
| 20:57.30 | PerfDave | Eddie: I thought it was, but I haven't tried it. |
| 20:57.31 | raf256 | Eddie: ;) |
| 20:57.33 | Overand | Don't eat tubers as root. |
| 20:57.34 | raf256 | lol |
| 20:57.38 | raf256 | \o/ rotfl |
| 20:57.39 | empty | Friends don't let friends su drunk |
| 20:57.40 | Overand | haha |
| 20:57.42 | deigo | i say, just do everything as root, if its good enough for windows xp home edition, its good enough for me. |
| 20:57.46 | Eddie | Overand, that would be cannibalism? |
| 20:57.47 | phycho | hahaha empty, ive done that before |
| 20:57.51 | phycho | i did rm -rf / by mistake |
| 20:57.51 | phycho | lol |
| 20:57.53 | idle_idol | empty: Hahah! |
| 20:57.55 | phycho | and removed 1TB of files |
| 20:57.56 | phycho | =( |
| 20:57.56 | phycho | lol |
| 20:57.58 | Overand | If you have sex with someone as root, would that be called 'rooting' them? |
| 20:58.01 | Overand | =] |
| 20:58.01 | phycho | yeh |
| 20:58.07 | empty | phycho, dear jebus thats a lot of pr0n |
| 20:58.10 | raf256 | phycho: I did once chmod -R on the / as root \o/ |
| 20:58.12 | phycho | i did root them.. then i got rooted when i found out they had a disease |
| 20:58.13 | phycho | ;/ |
| 20:58.14 | shingouz | Babylonian-Dream: how is the box connected to the computer in the first place? |
| 20:58.16 | jimbo | beardy: That worked for me. Thanks again. |
| 20:58.23 | empty | Overand, you pwn their box |
| 20:58.27 | Overand | empty: haha |
| 20:58.28 | Babylonian-Dream | shingouz : ethernet |
| 20:58.42 | Overand | mount /dev/box -t stinky |
| 20:58.44 | shingouz | Babylonian-Dream: and the box has a dhcp server? |
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| 20:58.59 | empty | Overand, + -o doggy |
| 20:59.20 | stew | deigo: dpkg-reconfigure apache |
| 20:59.21 | Overand | heh, that's the same guy |
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| 20:59.36 | aragno | what is it that starts networking in debian? checking the links in /etc/rc2.d I find no link to /etc/init.d/networking. I ned to run a command to enable my wireless network card before networking tries to get the DHCP address |
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| 20:59.37 | Babylonian-Dream | shingouz: when i run the pppoe it does recognize an ehternet card, but not the modem.. so i can't get into no url, but when i did configure and run dhcp client, so it enters me to the welcome page of the server.. (of the internet) |
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| 21:00.12 | shingouz | Babylonian-Dream: i asked you does the box have a dhcp server. i did not ask what you answered |
| 21:00.18 | MrBallZ | is there a utility to graphically configure a wireless card in KDE ? |
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| 21:00.37 | Overand | that's a good question, I've wondered about gui frontents for iwconfig for a while. one has to exist |
| 21:00.38 | empty | MrBallZ, kwifimanager |
| 21:00.42 | PeTeRB | aragno: Networking is started from /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 21:00.44 | brayra | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.54 | stew | !tell XDuX about msg |
| 21:00.55 | mlz | hi @t all |
| 21:00.56 | bn` | lol |
| 21:01.05 | Babylonian-Dream | shingouz: i have no idea :\ but it just seems to work, as it was in windows, before the dialer, it is not working without the dhcp :\ |
| 21:01.05 | Danar | !tell XDuX about root |
| 21:01.07 | liable | brayra: time for a password change eh? |
| 21:01.08 | stew | brayra: time to change that to freenode55 |
| 21:01.12 | aragno | PeTeRB: thx |
| 21:01.13 | bn` | brayra: you should change your password |
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| 21:01.13 | brayra | dang it |
| 21:01.24 | brayra | slip of the shortcut |
| 21:01.26 | Overand | brayra: time to change your password... |
| 21:01.33 | doleyb | brayra: i will change your pw for you, don't worry |
| 21:01.38 | Overand | haha |
| 21:01.39 | raf256 | Ive got SoundBlaster 24 (not sb-live, not audigry) and nforcer3 sound card. The second one is working (but only OSS). With should I use? Can I make NV3 to use ALSA? |
| 21:01.41 | brayra | ha ha |
| 21:01.46 | PerfDave | freenode54? What a lame password :) |
| 21:02.01 | brayra | not like my life dpends on that one |
| 21:02.01 | Overand | PerfDave: who knows, it might be algorythmic |
| 21:02.02 | stew | PerfDave: why, what's yours? |
| 21:02.08 | liable | heh |
| 21:02.13 | PeTeRB | brayra: Not your lucky day, eh? |
| 21:02.14 | Overand | maybe the last two characters are the first two characters of the md5 of the name of the network |
| 21:02.15 | bn` | giving your password to 800 people on irc .... priceless |
| 21:02.19 | Overand | that way you'll never forget your password |
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| 21:02.21 | shingouz | Babylonian-Dream: you are really not helping here. what kind of an ip does your windows computer get? |
| 21:02.30 | PerfDave | stew: "god", of course |
| 21:02.37 | raf256 | \msg NickServ IDENTIFY ilovesmallcocks |
| 21:02.38 | raf256 | whooops |
| 21:02.39 | Overand | oh, mine's "sex" |
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| 21:02.52 | Babylonian-Dream | shingouz : what ip does my windows get before i connecting to the net ? |
| 21:03.06 | rking | i sent my password to my work channel the other day. that was embarassing |
| 21:03.11 | Overand | yeah |
| 21:03.13 | Overand | that's bad |
| 21:03.13 | empty | Overand, PerfDave you guys are lame, everyone knows to make it secure you need to use g0d or s3x |
| 21:03.16 | raf256 | Babylonian-Dream: does it look like a win32 support channel? |
| 21:03.22 | Overand | empty: hahaha |
| 21:03.30 | Overand | s3xg0d |
| 21:03.34 | Overand | almost a good password |
| 21:03.37 | raf256 | s3xG0D \o/ |
| 21:03.38 | Overand | s3Xg0D |
| 21:03.40 | Overand | haha |
| 21:03.44 | shingouz | Babylonian-Dream: i am trying to figure out how the damn thing *should* be connected to the internet. i suspect you do not need PPPoE on it at all |
| 21:03.50 | raf256 | Im\o/s3xG0D\o/ |
| 21:03.50 | empty | Overand, toss a 69 on the end there and you are good to go |
| 21:04.03 | raf256 | se><98g0d |
| 21:04.05 | shingouz | raf256: i asked how the doze box was configured |
| 21:04.08 | Overand | how about 420s3XG0d69 |
| 21:04.08 | raf256 | *69 |
| 21:04.09 | empty | Overand, or you could just /nick s3xg0d69 |
| 21:04.19 | zuri | Don't know if there's anyone still here that was earlier... But I've given up on the floppies x.x How would one go about booting over ethernet to install Debian, if the system supports it? Where could one find info on that? |
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| 21:04.31 | PerfDave | zuri: The Debian Installation Manual |
| 21:04.32 | Overand | zuri, you'd need to uh |
| 21:04.34 | Overand | yeah |
| 21:04.35 | Overand | heh |
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| 21:04.58 | shingouz | zuri: pull the drive and install with chroot in another box might be the easiest way really |
| 21:04.58 | beardy | Is there a nickometer around.. |
| 21:05.06 | SexGod_O_o | !nick me |
| 21:05.10 | shingouz | !nicometer SexGod_O_o |
| 21:05.16 | shingouz | !nickometer SexGod_O_o |
| 21:05.16 | dpkg | 'SexGod_O_o' is 99.830% lame, shingouz |
| 21:05.19 | Overand | hahaha |
| 21:05.19 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 21:05.20 | dpkg | i heard debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 21:05.20 | SexGod_O_o | hehehe |
| 21:05.22 | SexGod_O_o | :))) |
| 21:05.24 | Overand | !nickometer overand |
| 21:05.27 | Overand | !nickometer 0verand |
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| 21:05.34 | SexGod_O_o | !nickometer hax0r |
| 21:05.37 | shingouz | !nickometer Overand |
| 21:05.43 | Overand | hm |
| 21:05.44 | zuri | shingouz: Id need an adapter that I don't have, and I can't really spend money right now :| |
| 21:05.50 | Overand | dpkg just had an aneurism |
| 21:06.09 | empty | !nickometer empty |
| 21:06.11 | Bob | !nickometer Bob |
| 21:06.24 | doleyb | zuri: do you have a bootable ethernet chip? not many people do, and they cost money. |
| 21:06.26 | Babylonian-Dream | shingouz: in windows it goes thus... when i enter a url.. it takes me to welcome.hot.net.il .... i can do that automatically when i am on windows, on linux, when i enter a url, it is not find it, but if i run dhcp client, it goes as in windows, it is drop me to the welcome page.. welcome.hot.net.il when i type a url, to download a dialer... i have a user name and password for that connection :\ |
| 21:06.33 | raf256 | !nickometer me |
| 21:06.42 | stew | raf256: /msg the bot or play in #debian-bots |
| 21:06.44 | raf256 | this nickometer is good |
| 21:06.46 | zuri | doleyb: I don't -.- |
| 21:06.54 | raf256 | !irritatte stew |
| 21:07.05 | doleyb | zuri: can you also not boot from cd? |
| 21:07.08 | Overand | man what kind of weird-ass internet connection is Babylonian-Dream using? |
| 21:07.14 | empty | raf256, is that like an irritating latte? |
| 21:07.30 | PerfDave | Overand: Sounds like some VPN thing or something. |
| 21:07.34 | shingouz | Babylonian-Dream: and your isp obviously has only windows clients? i think you need to change your isp tomorrow, that begins to sound like AOL |
| 21:08.18 | empty | Overand, SLIP over 25 pin serial |
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| 21:08.18 | PerfDave | Overand: Either that or his DHCP isn't being run automatically. |
| 21:08.18 | Overand | empty: i bet he's got a telephone coupler |
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| 21:08.18 | shingouz | Babylonian-Dream: that thing has nothing to do with PPPoE, it has nothing to do with any other thing either |
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| 21:08.19 | Overand | yeah it sounds like you've got yourself a freaky-ass ISP |
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| 21:08.23 | zuri | doleyb: It's a laptop with nothing built in. The CD I have for it is old, unreliable, and cant even read burned CDs; can't boot either. The floppy can boot, but because the installer tries to read from it directly instead of through the BIOS, and it being a PCMCIA card, it fails |
| 21:08.28 | orjan | I'm trying to setup a cups client. I installed cupsys-clinent with aptitude. I set allow to the local net on the server and set servername on the client. Still I can't print with lpr. Am I missing something? |
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| 21:10.02 | raf256 | Ive got SoundBlaster 24 (not sb-live, not audigry) and nforcer3 sound card. The second one is working (but only OSS). With should I use? Can I make NV3 to use ALSA? |
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| 21:10.02 | beardy | !tell raf256 about repeat |
| 21:10.02 | doleyb | zuri: what is installed on there? could you install ANYTHING, if you had to? |
| 21:10.02 | shingouz | zuri: try the woody install floppies for the hell of it. maybe the netinstall floppies are too fancy for the thing. after you have a very basic woody on the libretto, just dist-upgrade |
| 21:10.02 | Overand | ok time to go 'home' |
| 21:10.02 | zuri | It has a very very very minumal SuSE 5.2 (with kernel 2.2) and windows 95 |
| 21:10.02 | Overand | oh man |
| 21:10.04 | Babylonian-Dream | shingouz: but it is taking me not to the isp welcome page, but to the host, it goes like this, i live in israel, so there is here, adsl, and cable, 2 companies... i am right now on the cable company, and i need in additionally one more isp, so to the connection of the cable, it is going, but i need to get to the isp through username and password, :\ do you have idea.,, someone? of how to make a |
| 21:10.05 | Overand | he's using a libretto? |
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| 21:10.09 | Babylonian-Dream | dialer in linux :\ |
| 21:10.13 | zuri | Overand: I am |
| 21:10.17 | Overand | if it was me, and a libretto, i would pull out the HD and use a 44-to-40 pin adapter |
| 21:10.26 | Overand | and install debian on the drive from another machine |
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| 21:10.50 | Overand | librettos, in my experience, are slightly heinous to get software onto and off of, even with the OSes they were 'designed for' |
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| 21:11.10 | doleyb | zuri: you can remotely install debian on any other linux, if the network is working ok. |
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| 21:11.31 | Overand | oh yeah there's that debian... what's it called |
| 21:11.33 | shingouz | Babylonian-Dream: that is not a dialer you are talking about. they have some real odd system there, something that is completely proprietary and weird and wonderful. i have absolutely no idea how to get past that one, sounds like the Israeli version of AOL to me |
| 21:11.34 | zuri | Overand: Back when I installed SuSE 5.3 I had to patch the boot disks to make them read from the BIOS instead of /dev/fd0, if I could do the same today I'm sure it wouldnt be much of a problem |
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| 21:11.48 | zuri | It's a Libretto 100CT : 166 Mhz Pentium, 128 Mb of RAM |
| 21:11.48 | Overand | zuri: you could patch the installer, i'm sure |
| 21:11.57 | Overand | i had a 50CT, i overclocked it from 75 to 100 tho |
| 21:12.10 | Overand | 16 megs of ram biatch |
| 21:12.10 | zuri | Overand: I dont know how to though :| |
| 21:12.14 | raf256 | Ive got SB 24 and NV3 sound cards. With one to use and how? And noone !tell raf256 about repeat ! |
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| 21:12.29 | zuri | Overand: Did you have the one that actually came with the faster processor? |
| 21:12.35 | Overand | nope |
| 21:12.35 | Overand | heh |
| 21:12.41 | Babylonian-Dream | it is possible because i heard of some users using cable modem in israel... oh thanks =) i will try to find, while i am searching the net, if someone has an idea =))) |
| 21:12.41 | Overand | that would have been great, but mine had a real 75 chip |
| 21:12.43 | zuri | Overand: I also have a 50CT, but just my luck, it actually has the slower processor |
| 21:12.49 | Overand | it ran fine at 100, but only at 100 |
| 21:12.53 | nse | This is a weird situation. there is a mouse pointer in the middle of my screen, that little black "X" cursos that appears when you just get into xfree86. but it is there forever, don't want to go out. and still my normal pointer obeing my mouse movements. what to do? |
| 21:12.56 | Overand | i didn't even try to push it past that, i don't think |
| 21:12.57 | passi | what package is the xfree86 header files in? i cant find any devel package of that |
| 21:13.04 | tarzeau | passi: xlibs-dev |
| 21:13.04 | PeTeRB | zuri: You can try /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 21:13.24 | raf256 | nse: change to a distro that have Xorg? ;) |
| 21:13.28 | Overand | zuri: the screen on mt 50ct broke, it got stepped on, which is lame, otherwise i'd probably still have some sort of use for it |
| 21:13.33 | Overand | !troll raf256 |
| 21:13.34 | Overand | haha |
| 21:13.38 | phycho | does the debian patches include cramfs? |
| 21:13.42 | phycho | on 2.6.x |
| 21:13.50 | passi | tarzeau, thanls a lot |
| 21:13.57 | raf256 | !noshit Overfiend |
| 21:14.01 | zuri | Thanks PeTeRB |
| 21:14.02 | raf256 | !noshit Overand |
| 21:14.02 | nse | raf256: oh c'mon, what are you talking about.. :) |
| 21:14.09 | beardy | raf256: Stop it now. |
| 21:14.12 | nse | anyone help? |
| 21:14.27 | rking | does debian's apache-perl use a mod_perl DSO? i've had people tell me emphatically both ways |
| 21:14.30 | tarzeau | passi: you are very welcome |
| 21:14.33 | raf256 | !anyone |
| 21:14.33 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 21:14.38 | rking | all i want to do is be able to HUP my mod_perl server and get code reloads |
| 21:14.40 | Overand | Overfiend: heh |
| 21:15.14 | raf256 | ok.. so.. WHAT sound card should I use with debian? is Audigry ok? |
| 21:15.21 | raf256 | ...since SB 24 is not (?) |
| 21:15.44 | Overfiend | nse: sounds like the X server is running but no clients are connected to it |
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| 21:15.59 | PerfDave | raf256: Check on http://www.alsa-project.org/ ? |
| 21:16.13 | raf256 | btw, what about old OSS only applications? |
| 21:16.14 | Overfiend | nse: it's hard for that to happen in a stock Debian system, except when your run the "X" executable directly as root |
| 21:16.15 | sean_micken|work | how can i tell what package a given file belongs to? |
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| 21:16.25 | ignatius | what's the current marillat repository/ |
| 21:16.26 | ignatius | ? |
| 21:16.29 | raf256 | sean_micken|work: apt-file perhaps |
| 21:16.37 | PeTeRB | sean_micken|work: dpkg -S |
| 21:16.39 | beardy | nse: Do you have a second mouse configured? Maybe you have HWcursor configured, and shouldn't? |
| 21:16.41 | nse | Overand: what do you mean by that? everything is normal but the mouse pointer... so, any idea? |
| 21:16.55 | sean_micken|work | PeTeRB: thank you. |
| 21:16.56 | PerfDave | raf256: ALSA includes OSS emulation, so your old OSS emulation should work fine. |
| 21:16.59 | zuri | depbootstrap won't work for me either x.x |
| 21:17.08 | Overfiend | nse: you mean your normal session came up? GNOME or KDE or whatever? |
| 21:17.21 | zuri | It needs libc6, SuSE 5.X came with 5 |
| 21:17.24 | nse | beardy: i have just one mouse configurated. i did it trought dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:17.33 | nse | Overand: Gnome |
| 21:17.35 | Overand | nse: learn to use tab complete. Overfiend and Overand are different people |
| 21:17.48 | Babylonian-Dream | i need to make an pptp\l2tp for connecting to the internet i guess... someone? |
| 21:18.05 | PerfDave | X should check the UID and refuse to run as root without some --yes-i-know-im-a-moron parameter ;) |
| 21:18.06 | nse | Overand: oh, sorry.. =P |
| 21:18.19 | nse | Overfiend: Gnome |
| 21:18.34 | tzafrir_laptop | Babylonian-Dream, it's actually pp2p/whatever to the modem, and from there pppoatm, IIRC |
| 21:18.40 | Overfiend | (that's the official smiley face for "spitting molten lead all over the place") |
| 21:18.42 | zuri | I could boot off the first floppy and then use a USB memory device.. but the ones I have are a 100Gb HDD that may not even work with such an old laptop, and I dont want to delete :P and my camera, and I dont feel comfy doing a dd of=/dev/mycamera |
| 21:18.51 | Overand | hey man, if people looked at their screens before they hit enter, this wouldn't be a problem |
| 21:18.54 | PerfDave | Hmm. Overfiend vs Overand fight! Bare knuckles, bare chested hot geek action! |
| 21:19.01 | Overand | haha PbPbPb |
| 21:19.04 | Overand | that's awesome |
| 21:19.25 | Overfiend | Overand: so you have TWO mouse cursors? |
| 21:19.28 | Overfiend | er, damnit |
| 21:19.32 | Overfiend | nse: so you have TWO mouse cursors? |
| 21:19.37 | Overand | hahaha |
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| 21:19.42 | Overfiend | nse: one motionless, the other normal? |
| 21:19.53 | Overand | alright that collision was clearly my fault, due to the nick-gravitation-field i have surrounding my IRC client |
| 21:20.06 | nse | Overfiend: Yes! one stopped in the middle always on the front of everything else, and the normal one |
| 21:20.07 | reamtS | There should be a command like 'apt-get dist-downgrade' |
| 21:20.16 | jazzmanss | I'm using xfce4, sarge, and If I use xscreensaver to lock the desktop, then log into another user, the other user can just ctrl-alt-F7 into my desktop, without having to enter my password. How can I fix this? |
| 21:20.16 | PerfDave | reamtS: apt-get reinstall ;) |
| 21:20.34 | ignatius | there should be apt-get install rtfm rtfm-google librtfm2 |
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| 21:20.38 | Overfiend | nse: what beardy said sounds accurate. It sounds like the hardware cursor is stuck on and should have been turned off when the Xcursor stuff kicked in |
| 21:21.01 | Overfiend | nse: hardware cursors can't do the sexy drop-shadow stuff that Xcursor allows, and which GNOME uses by default |
| 21:21.12 | Overfiend | nse: grep the logfile for hwcursor |
| 21:21.22 | Overfiend | nse: e.g. "grep -i hwcursor" /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 21:22.15 | Overfiend | sorry, misplaced my close quote there. Pretend it's at the end of the line. |
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| 21:22.24 | wam | I'm booting off a official sarge-kernel-image 2.6.8 with initrd. I need the aacraid-driver for my root-partition. Sadly initrd doesn't load the driver automatically, so initrd stops with "pivot_root: No such file or directory" and results in a kernel panic. Is there any default way to force loading of this module? |
| 21:22.31 | ndee|AFK | I deleted /var/cache/* ..... so now, when I try to do a apt-setup, it tells me debonf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/config.dat . Can I fix that somehow? |
| 21:22.56 | Overfiend | (and, technically, it wasn't a "close quote" except contextually. A *real* close quote would be โ... |
| 21:23.00 | Babylonian-Dream | someone knows how do i make an pptp dialer in debian? |
| 21:23.07 | Overfiend | ) |
| 21:23.14 | Babylonian-Dream | tzafrir_laptop: what does is pppoatm ? |
| 21:23.23 | zuri | Someone suggested trying Kernel 2.6, but how do I do that? I suppose they come in different boot floppies (I mean, you wont pack 2 kernel versions in the same boot floppies :P) |
| 21:23.28 | dnakata | ndee|AFK: you've pretty much hosed your entire apt/dpkg setup. |
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| 21:23.31 | nvz | does gdm now act as a session manager or something? |
| 21:23.32 | Overfiend | ndee|AFK: nuking /var/cache probably wasn't a good idea. |
| 21:23.38 | dnakata | ndee|AFK: the only clean answer is to reinstall debian entirely |
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| 21:23.54 | ndee|AFK | dnakata: really? aw crap. |
| 21:23.58 | Overfiend | dnakata: I think you're not supposed to use /var/cache for anything that can't be regenerated |
| 21:24.00 | deigo | im the admin at a isp here and we do something similar to what Babylonian-Dream is talking about |
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| 21:24.07 | ZanZuUuBar | Is there a way to loop through a directory ( recursively ) and replace all instances of "page.html" with "page.php" ? |
| 21:24.08 | Overfiend | dnakata: /var/lib is for the precious stuff |
| 21:24.16 | deigo | we allow people on but have firewall rules that do a redirect to our own ip so they just see the welcome page |
| 21:24.21 | Overfiend | dnakata: /var/cache is just supposed to be stuff you generate for speed/efficiency |
| 21:24.24 | nvz | I dont understand how the fuck gnome-settings-daemon and nautilus are running when I logged in to sawfish. I had them running last night as I started them manually.. they should have died when I logged out |
| 21:24.28 | beardy | jazzmanss: Are you sure you have configured xscreensaver to use a password, and lock the screen, not only "save" it? Does the same thing happen when using xlock? |
| 21:24.30 | deigo | then they can download a vpn client and vpn over to the network that traffic is allowed out of. |
| 21:24.41 | ndee|AFK | Overfiend: that's what I meant to and I needed to save some space, so I deleted the content hehe. |
| 21:24.48 | dnakata | okay |
| 21:24.52 | hippie | ZanZuUuBar: investigate 'rename' - think it can do the job |
| 21:24.52 | dnakata | then don't reinstall. |
| 21:24.57 | dnakata | enjoy |
| 21:25.03 | deigo | however we didn't do it for dial ups for anything, but in order to put a public/private wifi network in place that everyone could connect to, but people would be forced to pay to get anywhere other than where we let them go. |
| 21:25.04 | ZanZuUuBar | hippie: i'll man rename |
| 21:25.06 | distempr | oi, is gcc 4.0.0 stable 'nuff to compile a kernel? |
| 21:25.10 | stew | ndee|AFK: apt-get clean was the command you were looking for not rm /var/cache/* :) |
| 21:25.16 | ndee|AFK | dnakata: I will re-install, I just find it weird. |
| 21:25.19 | Overfiend | ndee|AFK: IMO debconf should robustly deal with losing its /var/cache data. I would file a bug, normal severity. Find the relevant section of the FHS and quote it. |
| 21:25.25 | ndee|AFK | stew: yep ;) |
| 21:25.43 | Overfiend | since when did it become okay to tell people to reinstall? |
| 21:25.43 | Overfiend | :( |
| 21:25.51 | Babylonian-Dream | deigo: exactly! and i have an internet service provider... so how do i make a connection for him? |
| 21:25.52 | ZanZuUuBar | hippie: no, don't think so |
| 21:25.52 | deigo | since windows was first released |
| 21:25.55 | nse | Overfiend: there are no entries for hwcursor in that file.. |
| 21:25.56 | nvz | is there like a central place to browse and compare those live distros? |
| 21:26.16 | Overfiend | nse: must be a driver default. Try grepping just for "cursor" instead of "hwcursor" |
| 21:26.19 | deigo | Babylonian-Dream: youd have to contact them and find out how they are switching you over to the other network, if its a simple vpn, it should be fairly straight forward to get it going. |
| 21:26.25 | jazzmanss | beardy, yes it's configured to require a password, how do I use xlock? If i don't let another person log into the machine, then you are not able to access my logged in account. Once someone else logs into the physical machine, they can window shift over. |
| 21:26.30 | distempr | Overfiend: but it'd be neat if the installer had random nude shots of random people. |
| 21:26.34 | PerfDave | The only time I've reinstalled Debian is to downgrade from sid. |
| 21:26.38 | deigo | however, if its a windows client oriented vpn, you have to compiled in mppe to the kernel and a whole bunch of other stuff that isn't at all fun. |
| 21:26.43 | Overfiend | distempr: I hear Ubuntu tried that... |
| 21:26.51 | nse | Overfiend: there is another weird thing. a little part of my srcreen is not appearing in the right side of it.. understand me? |
| 21:26.55 | dnakata | indeed; i'm in that one. |
| 21:26.57 | dnakata | i'm the black lady. |
| 21:27.01 | distempr | Overfiend: heh, wouldn't put it past them. "Sex sells mmmkay?" |
| 21:27.01 | PerfDave | Overfiend: Random nude shots that *aren't* 70s Porn Brown? :) |
| 21:27.01 | chealer | PerfDave: you're a model :) |
| 21:27.07 | ndee|AFK | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-5.5.html haha |
| 21:27.07 | zuri | Or is there any way to start the install from Windows 95? Just bootstrap it to get it to boot from the HDD? |
| 21:27.07 | nse | Overfiend: this is not a monitor stuff |
| 21:27.09 | Overfiend | nse: you using an LCD? |
| 21:27.15 | nse | Overfiend: no |
| 21:27.21 | jazzmanss | beardy, I got xlock, lemme check. |
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| 21:27.37 | Harley^ | howdy :) |
| 21:27.37 | nvz | I could use a livecd, was refinagling someones system to put windows on their linux drive and put linux back on afterwards on a different drive.. and the windows cd hangs at 100% initalizing the setup.. so they are hung up right now with nothing but a 20gb blank vfat partition and a 55gb partition containing only their backed up homedir, with sources list and selections file |
| 21:27.39 | Overfiend | nse: not sure, then. Could be a bad modeline or a driver bug |
| 21:27.41 | hippie | ZanZuUuBar: Well, you could mix it with 'find'. Something like: find . -name '*.html' -print0 | xargs rename 's/\.html/.php/' (maybe) |
| 21:27.49 | PerfDave | zuri: Have you tried reading the Installation Manual for different installation manuals? |
| 21:27.51 | nvz | just dont know which one I want. |
| 21:27.51 | nse | Overfiend: yes, there is something about hw cursor, look the line: (==) SAVAGE(0): Using HW cursor |
| 21:27.58 | ignatius | anyone else having trouble getting the marillat stuff? |
| 21:27.58 | Overfiend | nse: ahhhhh. |
| 21:28.04 | mage_ | I've a little DNS question, I have a dydns domain name (let's say foo.ath.cx). Is it bad to take this dns name for my local network ? So, is it bad to have a zone "foo.ath.cx" with somes IN A 192.168.0.x ? |
| 21:28.05 | ignatius | I can't seem to find a viable source |
| 21:28.05 | hippie | ZanZuUuBar: eep. stick a ' -0 ' in there between 'xargs' and 'rename' |
| 21:28.06 | stew | hippie: xargs -0 if you use -print0 |
| 21:28.07 | Overfiend | nse: You want to hand-edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to turn that off |
| 21:28.18 | Overfiend | nse: find Section "Driver" |
| 21:28.21 | PerfDave | mage_: Why would it be a bad thing? |
| 21:28.24 | ndee|AFK | Overfiend: but do you maybe know a way how to fix it? I just don't wanna file a bug, if it's not too big of a problem and can be repaired easily :) |
| 21:28.25 | hippie | stew: roger. minor craniointestinal gastritis. |
| 21:28.38 | Overfiend | nse: and add the line: Option "HWCursor" "off" anywhere after that line and before EndSection |
| 21:28.39 | PerfDave | mage_: Provided you don't put 192.168 addresses in *public* DNS... |
| 21:28.40 | Babylonian-Dream | deigo: it is L2TP IPSec VPN |
| 21:28.41 | zuri | PerfDave: I've tried a few, but most don't apply to me. The chroot method was supposed to be option 3.7, but the manual only gets to 3.6 :P |
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| 21:28.51 | stew | hippie: craniointestinal == shitforbrains? :) |
| 21:28.52 | Overfiend | nse: "man XF86Config-4" will give you more info about that |
| 21:28.53 | sean_micken|work | how do you setup secondary IPs in the interfaces file? |
| 21:29.06 | ZanZuUuBar | what's the -0 for, hippie? |
| 21:29.07 | hippie | stew: brainfart. same result, heh. |
| 21:29.10 | mage_ | PerfDave: it's for my local network only (dns cache server) |
| 21:29.17 | PerfDave | sean_micken|work: Just add them as seperate interfaces, eth0:1 or whatever. |
| 21:29.23 | Babylonian-Dream | deigo: cable.barak.net.il |
| 21:29.26 | Overfiend | ndee|AFK: I don't know how to fix it, and even if I did, IMO it's a bug. |
| 21:29.29 | PerfDave | mage_: Provided you don't pollute public DNS with private IP spaces, then it's fine :) |
| 21:29.31 | Babylonian-Dream | deigo: the vpn address |
| 21:29.35 | hippie | ZanZuUuBar: it means "expect the input to xargs to be like the output from 'find -print0'" -- basically, so it won't barf on filenames containing spaces and newlines and such. |
| 21:29.39 | mage_ | ok thanks :) |
| 21:29.40 | ndee|AFK | Overfiend: ok :) |
| 21:29.42 | Overfiend | ndee|AFK: I'm pretty sure the FHS says not to put anything you can't live without in /var/cache |
| 21:29.48 | nse | Overfiend: is there any other canonical for doing that withouy hand intervation? what has caused that? |
| 21:29.49 | ZanZuUuBar | ah |
| 21:29.53 | tzafrir_laptop | Babylonian-Dream, what modem? |
| 21:29.54 | sean_micken|work | PerfDave: so i would add another iface eth0:1 inet static ? |
| 21:30.00 | Overfiend | ndee|AFK: in the future, you probably want "apt-get clean" |
| 21:30.00 | PerfDave | sean_micken|work: Yeah |
| 21:30.05 | ZanZuUuBar | so |
| 21:30.07 | ZanZuUuBar | will i also want to do |
| 21:30.11 | Overfiend | ndee|AFK: in my experience it's the apt cache that bloats /var |
| 21:30.18 | ZanZuUuBar | find . -name '*.php' -print0 | xargs -0 rename 's/\.htm/.php/' |
| 21:30.21 | Babylonian-Dream | tzafrir_laptop: Joohong Superlink2800 ethernet\usb.. i am using ethernet |
| 21:30.21 | PerfDave | ZanZuUuBar: find -print0 uses ASCII null, not newline, to seperate entries. xargs -0 uses null, not newline, to break up entries. |
| 21:30.26 | ZanZuUuBar | in addition to -name '*.html' ? |
| 21:30.51 | stew | Overfiend: you are correct: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#VARCACHEAPPLICATIONCACHEDATA |
| 21:30.59 | tzafrir_laptop | Babylonian-Dream, any chance of configuring the modem itself as a NAT router? |
| 21:31.19 | ndee|AFK | Overfiend: yeah :) just found a message in the mailing list, gonna try some stuff :) |
| 21:31.23 | Babylonian-Dream | tzafrir_laptop: i don't understand :\ ? |
| 21:31.30 | hippie | ZanZuUuBar: Probably not. |
| 21:31.36 | ZanZuUuBar | Wait, so it didn't work. |
| 21:31.47 | stew | ndee|AFK: seems like you should definately file a bug |
| 21:31.59 | ZanZuUuBar | I only want to replace instances where "page.htm" is written |
| 21:32.03 | Harley^ | As some of you might recall, I have visual problems. I have purchase a 21 inch Samsung monitor. Its a model 1100DF. The Web pages for the specifications say the Max Sync Rate VxH is 160 Hz x 121 kHz and the Max resolution is 2048 x 1536 In /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 in the section "Monitor" What would I put for the HorizSync and VertRefresh that would be SAFE ? |
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| 21:32.16 | ndee|AFK | Overfiend: I just try apt-cache gencaches :) |
| 21:32.35 | hippie | ZanZuUuBar: OH. Crud. *Inside* the files, right? |
| 21:32.40 | tzafrir_laptop | Babylonian-Dream, anyway, do you now have a working ppp connection to the cables? (and just stuck with routing)? |
| 21:32.41 | wam | !make-kpkg |
| 21:32.41 | ZanZuUuBar | Yeahh.. |
| 21:32.43 | dpkg | make-kpkg is, like, the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, or cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && fakeroot make-kpkg clean kernel_headers kernel_image && cd /usr/src && sudo dpkg -i ... |
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| 21:32.43 | jaqque | is anyone here using a Proxin ORiNOCO Gold (8470-WD) card? |
| 21:32.54 | nse | Overfiend: what about trying reconfiguring xserver-xfree86 with dpkg? what had coused that? |
| 21:33.03 | ignatius | no idea on the marillat stuff? |
| 21:33.18 | ZanZuUuBar | hippie: any suggestions? |
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| 21:33.25 | nse | Overfiend: and what about that little part of my screen that is not appearing in the right ? |
| 21:33.45 | ignatius | or... I could just ask the bot |
| 21:33.49 | ignatius | thank you, bot. |
| 21:33.53 | ignatius | dpkg is very helpful. |
| 21:33.56 | PeTeRB | ZanZuUuBar: You want sed or something |
| 21:34.04 | tzafrir_laptop | Babylonian-Dream, IIRC lt2p is not working well with linux. pppoe works nice. pptp works nice as well |
| 21:34.06 | ZanZuUuBar | i don't know sed. how awkward for me. |
| 21:34.09 | nyterukh_ | back just had dinna. |
| 21:34.09 | Babylonian-Dream | tzafrir_laptop: i have a connection only when dhcp client is on, and it gets me to welcome.hot.net.il when i type a url, i need to make a vpn connection with username and password to barak and i don't know how :\ |
| 21:34.36 | PeTeRB | ZanZuUuBar: RTFM :P |
| 21:34.46 | Babylonian-Dream | tzafrir_laptop: pppoe not recognizing my modem, well shall i do reset and try pptp on debian? does it a program?? |
| 21:34.53 | jazzmanss | xlock doesn't have the same problem, when I ctrl-alt-F7, xlock keeps it locked. thanks beardy. |
| 21:34.57 | hippie | ZanZuUuBar: I'm hesitant to suggest (given my total idiocy above), but... replace the 'rename' command above with something like "perl -pi.bak -e 's/page.htm/page.php/g;'" perhaps. |
| 21:35.02 | ZanZuUuBar | hm |
| 21:35.09 | tzafrir_laptop | Babylonian-Dream, tried pppoeconf? |
| 21:35.34 | Babylonian-Dream | tzafrir_laptop: yes, it says it is recognizing my ethernet card, but found no modem |
| 21:35.37 | deigo | Babylonian-Dream: use openswam |
| 21:35.42 | deigo | openswan |
| 21:36.06 | deigo | you don't need a modem |
| 21:36.09 | deigo | youd dhcp over and thats fine |
| 21:36.10 | ZanZuUuBar | hippie: i ran that command and it's taking wayy too long |
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| 21:36.17 | deigo | after that you just set up the vpn client to connect |
| 21:36.18 | zuri | Grrr... not I need wget x.x |
| 21:36.19 | deigo | and your golden |
| 21:36.30 | S0n1 | somebody use sasl2+ support a CRIPT herE>? |
| 21:36.43 | deigo | itll give you a new ip which can route traffic to the outside rather than being taken to the welcome page. |
| 21:37.00 | hippie | ZanZuUuBar: This? find . -name '*.htm' -print0 | xargs -0 perl -pi.bak -e 's/page.htm/page.php/g;' |
| 21:37.08 | Babylonian-Dream | deigo: and i set vpn client with openswan? |
| 21:37.12 | deigo | pptp is not what you need, your going l2tp over ipsec, pptp is something else. |
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| 21:37.21 | beardy | jazzmanss: Ok, use xlock from now on then. It's strange if xscreensaver can't do the same thing, when configured to. Really bad if that is the case.. |
| 21:37.28 | deigo | openswan is a vpn client |
| 21:37.28 | tzafrir_laptop | deigo, it's not "just a vpn client". And VPN != ipsec |
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| 21:37.42 | tzafrir_laptop | openvpn is a vpn client as well |
| 21:37.42 | deigo | when did i say its just a vpn client? |
| 21:37.50 | deigo | i said it was one |
| 21:37.52 | tzafrir_laptop | pptp is a vpn client as well |
| 21:37.53 | deigo | not that is was ONLY that |
| 21:37.57 | deigo | no |
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| 21:38.05 | Elad | hello all |
| 21:38.05 | deigo | those are different protocols for getting a vpn underway |
| 21:38.08 | deigo | they aren't clients |
| 21:38.13 | deigo | clients are the actual software |
| 21:38.13 | deigo | =) |
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| 21:38.28 | Elad | someone can give me please a good source of apt for debian unstable? |
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| 21:38.37 | tzafrir_laptop | apt-mirror |
| 21:38.48 | Babylonian-Dream | okay =))) lol, so shall i restart, and try openswan\openvpn ? |
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| 21:38.59 | tzafrir_laptop | Babylonian-Dream, no |
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| 21:39.00 | deigo | openvpn doesn't support l2tp unless im mistaken |
| 21:39.07 | Elad | bash: apt-mirror: command not found |
| 21:39.17 | deigo | gotta go with strongswan openswan or kame |
| 21:39.23 | tzafrir_laptop | l2tp is level2 something, not quite ipsec |
| 21:39.29 | Babylonian-Dream | deigo: okay thanks alot =))) |
| 21:39.31 | chealer | you wouldn't believe the party I just had with myself when reading the EU software patents news |
| 21:39.34 | Thanatermesis | Im in machine-1 , If im enter in ssh in machine-2 , and in this machine enter in a chroot environment, what kernel use for the chroot ? the machine-2 kernel ? |
| 21:39.50 | chealer | Elad: why would you want one? |
| 21:39.53 | deigo | level 2 tunneling protocol |
| 21:39.58 | tzafrir_laptop | apt-get install apt-mirror# apt-setup for a simpler selection |
| 21:40.01 | deigo | and it can be done via ipsec |
| 21:40.05 | deigo | layer-* |
| 21:40.07 | deigo | layer 2 |
| 21:40.14 | deigo | you confused me with your wrong words |
| 21:40.15 | deigo | ;) |
| 21:40.16 | Elad | because there are very much missing package on the one that I'm using.... |
| 21:40.29 | Babylonian-Dream | tzafrir_laptop: i can't reach apt.. i just has the first cd of the unstable debian |
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| 21:40.41 | zuri | Wait... Could I run debootstrap in another computer, if I manage to mount the laptop's HDD via nfs? You can chroot to an nfs folder, can't you? |
| 21:41.02 | chealer | Elad: which package are you looking for? |
| 21:41.14 | tzafrir_laptop | Babylonian-Dream, apt-get --recon get packages, to see what packages are needed |
| 21:41.18 | deigo | Babylonian-Dream: your gonna have to get that package onto some media that you can access |
| 21:41.27 | PeTeRB | !folder |
| 21:41.27 | dpkg | from memory, folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
| 21:41.43 | tzafrir_laptop | get them somehow, and place them (with correct names!) at /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:41.44 | Elad | "lame" |
| 21:41.52 | Elad | from wav to mp3 |
| 21:41.53 | deigo | he doesn't have to do that |
| 21:41.57 | deigo | just use dpkg and install it |
| 21:42.06 | Babylonian-Dream | ok |
| 21:42.08 | deigo | and you can reconcile your apt archives when your box gets on the net. |
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| 21:42.28 | Babylonian-Dream | so the package is called openswan |
| 21:42.31 | Babylonian-Dream | ? |
| 21:42.39 | tzafrir_laptop | deigo, but there are dependencies to consider |
| 21:42.53 | deigo | as i said, youve got several options, openswan strongswan and kame |
| 21:42.54 | nyterukh_ | is oopen swan a vpn server? |
| 21:42.56 | Elad | I have internet on my box... |
| 21:43.12 | chealer | !tell Elad about lame |
| 21:43.13 | deigo | it can function as both. |
| 21:43.18 | chealer | Elad: lame isn't in debian |
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| 21:43.27 | sgeigerbot | Why can't I cat the contents of a lot of files together like this? for i in `ls *`; do echo "NEXT FILENAME: $i" >> /tmp/foo; cat ./$i >> /tmp/foo; done I get "No such file or directory" errors for each file. I've tried using full paths, but that doesn't seem to help. |
| 21:43.41 | Elad | got it |
| 21:43.45 | Elad | thanks |
| 21:43.46 | Elad | :) |
| 21:43.47 | PerfDave | sgeigerbot: Spaces in the filename? Why not just "for i in *"? |
| 21:44.00 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: there are no spaces in any of the names. |
| 21:44.22 | PerfDave | sgeigerbot: I'd still use "for i in *" rather than "for i in `ls *`". |
| 21:44.40 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: perhaps this has something to do with an alias for ls... |
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| 21:44.55 | sgeigerbot | yes, that's it. |
| 21:45.00 | PerfDave | sgeigerbot: Does "for i in `ls *`; do echo $i; done" give you sensible results? |
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| 21:45.03 | ignatius | okay |
| 21:45.08 | ignatius | marillat is nowhere to be found |
| 21:45.24 | ignatius | I keep getting a "couldn't stat" error on my apt-get update |
| 21:45.40 | stew | ignatius: http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
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| 21:45.43 | deigo | you can rm those files it can't stat and then apt-get update again |
| 21:46.47 | Babylonian-Dream | deigo: oh okayyy =))))))))))))) |
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| 21:47.09 | Babylonian-Dream | thanks alot i will restart to try it! |
| 21:47.13 | Babylonian-Dream | =))))))))) |
| 21:47.15 | ignatius | stew: what's the path for the sources.list? http://debian.video.free.fr/ sid main ??? |
| 21:47.17 | deigo | np |
| 21:47.20 | Eddie | wow |
| 21:47.23 | ignatius | (i run sid) |
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| 21:47.26 | Babylonian-Dream | so cya for now =) |
| 21:47.29 | deigo | yup |
| 21:47.30 | Eddie | the splash screen for the debian installer rox |
| 21:47.33 | deigo | i leave in 10 minutes |
| 21:47.35 | deigo | work will be over. |
| 21:47.40 | deigo | see ya around. |
| 21:47.50 | Babylonian-Dream | =) |
| 21:47.51 | deigo | openswan.org if you have questions. |
| 21:47.52 | Eddie | damn! |
| 21:47.53 | Babylonian-Dream | thanks.. sure |
| 21:47.57 | Eddie | im getting a kernel panic |
| 21:47.59 | Babylonian-Dream | oh thankssss =) |
| 21:48.01 | Eddie | upon attempting to install |
| 21:48.18 | stew | ignatius: actually nm, i thought he had different mirrors located there |
| 21:48.42 | Eddie | can anyone make sense of this error |
| 21:48.45 | stew | ignatius: did you /msg dpkg marillat ? |
| 21:48.48 | ignatius | stew: so what happened? Why can't I get marillat packages anymore? |
| 21:48.49 | Eddie | alloc pages 0-irder allocation failed |
| 21:48.53 | ignatius | stew: yes |
| 21:48.55 | nse | Overfiend: It worked. I reconfigurated the X with dpkg and rebooted the system. The problem was that yesterday i changed my driver from vesa to savage.. |
| 21:48.58 | stew | ignatius: the url in there works |
| 21:48.59 | Eddie | *0-order |
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| 21:49.08 | ignatius | stew: it didn't for me - couldn't stat |
| 21:49.11 | stew | ignatius: not the nerim one |
| 21:49.14 | ignatius | I know |
| 21:49.20 | ignatius | the other one - I tried it and no stat |
| 21:49.22 | Eddie | then i get a kernel panic saying "attempted to kill init" |
| 21:49.25 | Eddie | whatever that means |
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| 21:49.51 | stew | ignatius: looks like its testing only though |
| 21:49.56 | ignatius | fine |
| 21:50.08 | ignatius | I'll just run the testing packages and deal with the repurcussions if there are any |
| 21:50.26 | kingsley | Is dpkg still being rewritten? |
| 21:50.30 | Eddie | anyone got any idea what that error means? |
| 21:50.33 | Overfiend | nse: glad to hear it |
| 21:51.08 | ignatius | stew: still couldnt stat "testing" |
| 21:51.22 | stew | ignatius: http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/dists/testing/ |
| 21:51.26 | stew | ignatius: its there |
| 21:51.39 | ignatius | stew: then why is apt/itude giving me so much trouble? |
| 21:51.55 | stew | ignatius: can you hit that webpage? |
| 21:52.13 | green_earz | Eddie: are you have the install problem at the begining of a fresh install ? |
| 21:52.14 | ignatius | stew: yes |
| 21:52.27 | stew | ignatius: then you have the wrong deb line in sources.list |
| 21:52.42 | ignatius | stew: here's the line: |
| 21:53.16 | Eddie | green_earz, yeah the installer wont even load |
| 21:53.26 | ignatius | deb http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ testing main |
| 21:53.46 | narg | When you use apt-get, it sometimes gives a list of suggested and recomended packages. Is there a flag or config file to make it automatticly install those? |
| 21:53.51 | transgress | i take it if i want the open source radeon driver for my card, i have to compile my own kernel eh? |
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| 21:54.03 | Eddie | green_earz, would wiping the partitions on that drive make any difference? |
| 21:54.13 | stew | ignatius: yup, thats what i have. works for me (tm) |
| 21:54.29 | ignatius | weird... |
| 21:54.29 | Eddie | green_earz, I personally wouldnt think so but im willing to try anything to get debian running on this machine |
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| 21:54.35 | deigo | narg: man apt.conf |
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| 21:54.43 | Eddie | green_earz, It has run woody before without problems |
| 21:54.47 | ignatius | stew: what do you suggest I do? |
| 21:54.47 | stew | ignatius: Get:1 http://ftp.malyjarda.cz testing/main Packages [19.8kB] |
| 21:55.00 | ignatius | stew: I get that too |
| 21:55.08 | stew | ignatius: then what is the problem? |
| 21:55.08 | ignatius | but then it pukes at the end with a "couldn't stat" error |
| 21:55.12 | green_earz | Eddie: how did you download the installer image ? http or jigdo or bittorent ? |
| 21:55.16 | deigo | whats the filename it couldn't stat? |
| 21:55.23 | Eddie | http |
| 21:55.28 | Eddie | i tried the business card one |
| 21:55.30 | Eddie | it was small |
| 21:55.31 | ignatius | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.malyjarda.cz testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.malyjarda.cz_pub_mirror_marillat.free.fr_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 21:55.34 | Eddie | i needed to see if it would work first |
| 21:55.37 | Eddie | because debian wouldnt |
| 21:55.41 | Eddie | erm ubuntu wouldnt |
| 21:55.42 | Eddie | sorry |
| 21:55.53 | Eddie | burned it onto a dvd as ive got no cdrs left |
| 21:55.55 | Eddie | it booted |
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| 21:56.03 | stew | ignatius: do you have a deb-src line for that repo too? |
| 21:56.03 | Eddie | then failed when setting up the file system |
| 21:56.14 | ignatius | stew: nope. I'll add one. |
| 21:56.14 | Eddie | kernel panic: attempted to kill init |
| 21:56.17 | stew | ignatius: no |
| 21:56.18 | ignatius | if you have one, anyway |
| 21:56.20 | ignatius | okay then |
| 21:56.21 | deigo | rm /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.malyjarda.cz_pub_mirror_marillat.free.fr_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages;apt-get update |
| 21:56.22 | Eddie | ubuntu also failed during installer bootup |
| 21:56.23 | ignatius | no I do not have one. |
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| 21:57.09 | ignatius | deigo: same error |
| 21:57.13 | stew | ignatius: you get that W: when you apt-get update or what? |
| 21:57.22 | rverdugo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:57.25 | ignatius | stew: yes |
| 21:57.37 | rverdugo | i'm using postfix and sarge |
| 21:57.42 | stew | wierd |
| 21:57.42 | green_earz | Eddie: there may be a error on the image, try bittorent to download the image, reason being that it will check for the image integrity at the end of the download. |
| 21:57.55 | oks | hello there... i have a problem. i installed KDE, but i cant start it in a proper way. if i start it, ICEwm is still running. and it isnt in the list if i log out. what should i do |
| 21:57.57 | ignatius | stew: tell me about it! |
| 21:57.58 | narg | deigo: apt.conf manpage tells me what to do, but what option would I use within that to get those packages? |
| 21:58.00 | Eddie | ok |
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| 21:58.05 | green_earz | np |
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| 21:59.11 | ignatius | wait! |
| 21:59.12 | reamtS | How do I add extra leading zeros like this '000021'? |
| 21:59.13 | ignatius | I fixed it |
| 21:59.24 | ignatius | I had too many commented out entries in my sources.list file |
| 21:59.43 | ignatius | which is weird, but whatever - it works now |
| 22:00.05 | PerfDave | reamtS: Add extra leading zeroes to what? |
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| 22:00.32 | reamtS | PerfDave: to a variable $NUM |
| 22:00.40 | wintix | 587/tcp open submission - does anyone know what this is? |
| 22:00.47 | PerfDave | reamtS: In which language? |
| 22:00.54 | reamtS | bash please |
| 22:00.54 | PerfDave | wintix: It's your MTA, for local delivery. |
| 22:01.17 | green_earz | Eddie: debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso.torrent > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 22:01.21 | PerfDave | reamtS: You want to add a fixed number of leading zeroes, or make a number a fixed number of digits wide? |
| 22:01.26 | petemc | wintix: its for people who cant use port 25, generally |
| 22:01.54 | reamtS | Pefdave: fixed number od digits, good point |
| 22:01.59 | oks | anyone? |
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| 22:02.19 | wintix | hmk. thank you. |
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| 22:03.08 | deigo | bye everybody |
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| 22:05.05 | jaqque | is anyone here using a Proxim ORiNOCO Gold (8470-WD) card? |
| 22:05.28 | shingouz | jaqque: just ask your question, do not poll |
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| 22:05.50 | jaqque | shingouz: i am not going ot waste everyone's time by finding out ``yeah, no one here does'' |
| 22:05.57 | raf256 | how can I run my SoundBlaster 24 sound card? |
| 22:06.03 | tarzeau | raf256: AGAIN? |
| 22:06.12 | raf256 | tarzeau: no, the first time ;) |
| 22:06.19 | raf256 | still waiting for some help :/ |
| 22:06.19 | tarzeau | raf256: you lie! |
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| 22:06.28 | raf256 | no I didnt run it at all yet |
| 22:07.08 | shingouz | jaqque: and i amo not going to waste my time saying "yes, i do" and end up trying to anser questions i do not know the answers to. in other words, i am not interested in pig-in-a-poke games |
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| 22:08.35 | jaqque | shingouz: fair 'nuff |
| 22:08.48 | Eddie | green_earz, my router is probably b0rking that up |
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| 22:09.05 | shingouz | jaqque: /msg dpkg ask, /msg dpkg sicco, /msg dpkg polls |
| 22:09.25 | jaqque | does the orinico gold come up as an eth0, and does it totaly avoid using any kind of wlan-ng nonesense? (i am fighting and arguing with prism2 stuff, and the more i touch it, the more i hateprism2 anything) |
| 22:09.26 | MrBallZ | how do I do a DHCP for the wireless card ... ath0 ??? |
| 22:10.00 | Teemu_ | MrBallZ: no security wpa or wep? |
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| 22:10.27 | MrBallZ | Teemu , nope |
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| 22:11.07 | Teemu_ | MrBallZ: well then you just need to get iwconfig to say that you are associated or something and then you can get ip from dhcp like with wired connection |
| 22:11.20 | shingouz | jaqque: the easiest way to go is to use the orinoco-cs driver, you do not need the wlan-ng at all |
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| 22:11.27 | MrBallZ | the thing is , that it is conected to the AP , but no ip ... |
| 22:11.36 | Teemu_ | weird :/ |
| 22:11.51 | Aquarina | is there A site with linux kernel modules description? |
| 22:12.09 | Aquarina | (like the ones you see when compiling the kernel) |
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| 22:12.43 | jaqque | shingouz: my orinoco silver Just Works. pcmcia-cs is sufficient. (proven with sources availble in woody) however, it is a real orinogo silver, from when they were first made. i would right now go and buy a gold (i need the 128 bit wep, i am afraid) if i knew that it, like the silver, would Just Work. |
| 22:12.44 | MrBallZ | i just setup MadWiFi |
| 22:13.01 | phycho | nothing but trouble with it |
| 22:13.05 | phycho | and orinoco cards |
| 22:13.06 | MrBallZ | its working ,now i can see my WiFi card, and i can see the AP's , and conect, but i dont get ip ... |
| 22:13.09 | phycho | heh |
| 22:13.12 | shingouz | jaqque: afaik they Just Work |
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| 22:13.26 | jaqque | shingouz: thanks. i'll check for a good return policy :) |
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| 22:14.11 | shingouz | jaqque: of course you can do other things with the gold too, it is always useful to have many wlan cards. or you could just reflash the silver into gold.. ;) |
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| 22:15.11 | jaqque | shingouz: hmm. i had no idea that was possible... links? |
| 22:16.05 | shingouz | jaqque: i forget where it was, try the proxim website, afaik you just need to use the gold firmware. check with google before you fo it, YMMV |
| 22:16.51 | green_earz | Eddie: do you have port forwarding on the router ? |
| 22:17.22 | Eddie | ok green_earz i now have a fair idea why debian wouldnt install |
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| 22:17.28 | Eddie | it needs 24 meg of ram |
| 22:17.32 | Eddie | this machine only has 16 |
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| 22:17.38 | green_earz | ok |
| 22:17.48 | Eddie | does woody also need that amount? |
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| 22:17.56 | Eddie | all im doing is installing basic linux so i can set up an ircd |
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| 22:17.58 | MrBallZ | I do conect to the Router/ Access Point, but i dont get an IP Address, what is the comand to refresh ip ... ? |
| 22:18.29 | uvolmer | MrBallZ: what about pump? |
| 22:18.59 | nyterukh | bbiab gonna bring my debian base cd over to a friend |
| 22:19.06 | MrBallZ | pump ??? |
| 22:19.24 | beardy | MrBallZ: man pump |
| 22:19.26 | MrBallZ | iwconfig pump ? |
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| 22:19.35 | chaques | pump is a dhcp client |
| 22:19.37 | robin_ | Hi, I'm trying to get ipw2200-source from packages.debian.org/stable/net... |
| 22:19.38 | uvolmer | pump -i eth1 |
| 22:19.56 | robin_ | problem is apt-get insists on using packages.debian.org/dist/stable... |
| 22:20.04 | robin_ | anybody know how to change that |
| 22:20.31 | chris__ | hey guys, i upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 on some ibm x330's i have and now when i try to press the keyboard i get "atkbd.c use 'setkeycodes 1c' to make it known" |
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| 22:20.49 | vipersniper | robin, apt-get setup |
| 22:20.52 | Aquarina | robin_: look inside /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:20.58 | parsec__ | where can i find pricing options, on gigE |
| 22:21.23 | chris__ | parsec__: cards or switches ? |
| 22:21.25 | petemc | parsec__: froogle |
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| 22:22.12 | robin_ | I get invalid operation from apt-get setup |
| 22:22.21 | parsec__ | petemc: ?? |
| 22:22.26 | parsec__ | chris: like bandwidth |
| 22:22.29 | staniel | robin_: apt-setup |
| 22:22.51 | staniel | robin_: but I think that you are wrong in doing htat |
| 22:23.02 | robin_ | I also tried /etc/apt/sources - it still always adds the dist in the path |
| 22:23.18 | robin_ | oops OK - I'll try app-setup this time |
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| 22:23.54 | chris__ | parsec__: i don't understand what you're looking for |
| 22:24.16 | Eddie | ok guys |
| 22:24.21 | Eddie | woody will work with this machine |
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| 22:24.25 | Eddie | where can i get a woody minimal install |
| 22:24.32 | Eddie | a woody network install iso |
| 22:24.32 | parsec__ | chris_: the price of leasing gigE lines |
| 22:24.33 | error403 | i have something outside of a user's home directory, which i want them too be able to edit... should i chown it or chmod 777 ? |
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| 22:24.43 | BaP|Magnethead | Help needed: I am trying to run a program requiering PyGtk install which I have but in a version to new. My API has version 1012 and the module has 1011, what can I do about that? |
| 22:24.49 | chris__ | parsec__: oh heh, you need to find isp's in your area |
| 22:24.55 | parsec__ | well |
| 22:24.57 | parsec__ | i know a few |
| 22:24.59 | parsec__ | should i just call em |
| 22:25.03 | chris__ | basically |
| 22:25.03 | parsec__ | and ask em how much for that type of bw? |
| 22:25.20 | chris__ | yeah it's expensive so they tend to not quote prices until you talk to them |
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| 22:25.56 | Mark62756 | hellow everyone |
| 22:26.07 | BaP|Magnethead | any ideas? :) |
| 22:26.09 | BaP|Magnethead | Help needed: I am trying to run a program requiering PyGtk install which I have but in a version to new. My API has version 1012 and the module has 1011, what can I do about that? |
| 22:26.24 | parsec__ | chris: like, expensive as in WAYYYYYYYY more than 10mbit/100mbit? |
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| 22:27.34 | chris__ | parsec__: you're looking for an internet connection right ? |
| 22:27.40 | parsec__ | yes |
| 22:27.47 | Mark62756 | umm is there something in debian that updates all the libs and packages installed? |
| 22:27.52 | parsec__ | chris_: gige from our office to the colloocation facility where are servers curently idle. |
| 22:27.52 | chris__ | yeah i mean, probably a lot more |
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| 22:27.53 | Mark62756 | with apt-get |
| 22:28.01 | robin_ | hey staniel, I tried apt-setup. Added packages.debian.org manually but it still forces "dist" into the path |
| 22:28.01 | chris__ | markw_: apt-get install dist-upgrade |
| 22:28.04 | robin_ | http://packages.debian.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 22:28.07 | MrBallZ | anyone knows how in MADWiFi, you change from ADHoc mode to client mode ? |
| 22:28.20 | robin_ | any ideas |
| 22:28.24 | chris__ | parsec__: ooh point to point will be cheaper |
| 22:28.25 | shingoki | running testing, my windows in gnome now only come to front when clicked on titlebar... anyone else getting this? |
| 22:28.27 | Mark62756 | chris__: was that apt-get install dist-upgrade for me? :p |
| 22:28.28 | BaP|Magnethead | hm I seem to be in trouble then :) |
| 22:28.34 | chris__ | markw_: yes |
| 22:28.36 | Mark62756 | thanks chihchun :) |
| 22:28.36 | Mark62756 | :p |
| 22:28.39 | Mark62756 | oops |
| 22:28.41 | Mark62756 | chris__: |
| 22:28.41 | chris__ | markw_: man apt-get and search for dist-upgrade |
| 22:28.47 | Mark62756 | ok |
| 22:28.48 | chris__ | god i hate autocomplete |
| 22:28.51 | Mark62756 | yeah |
| 22:28.56 | Mark62756 | tis alright |
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| 22:29.14 | chris__ | sigh it's just apt-get dist-upgrade i beleive |
| 22:29.14 | Soichiro | for some reason my resolution won't go higher than 800x600, even though my monitor can support up to 1024x768 |
| 22:29.19 | Soichiro | anyone know how to fix that? |
| 22:29.23 | Mark62756 | ok i got it |
| 22:29.27 | Mark62756 | thanks alot chris__ |
| 22:29.29 | parsec__ | chris_: point to point versus what? |
| 22:29.32 | staniel | robin_: ever think to check if that link exists |
| 22:29.37 | phycho | how do i build a debian package? i want to compile an iptables package for debian |
| 22:29.42 | phycho | that includes imq/layer7 etc |
| 22:29.43 | Danar | !drxx |
| 22:29.44 | chris__ | parsec__: access to the rest of the world of course |
| 22:29.44 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 22:29.44 | staniel | packages.debian.org isn't an apt server, don't try to use it forone |
| 22:29.54 | Danar | Soichiro: ^ |
| 22:30.08 | parsec__ | chris_: well we need access to the rest of the world |
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| 22:30.24 | parsec__ | crhis_: thats why i want gigE, i'm implementing a backup solution, and backing up a few terabytes of data over 10/100mbit is murderous. |
| 22:30.31 | parsec__ | chris_: it takes 8 hours to backup one server |
| 22:30.32 | shingoki | No one else has gnome windows only coming to front when titlebar clicked? I can't find any setting to set it back to old behaviour |
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| 22:30.56 | Mark62756 | =O |
| 22:31.00 | robin_ | I can download the file - it exists - problem is the package manager takes my URL and sticks "dists" at the end before adding the "stable" and the section in this case "net" |
| 22:31.01 | chris__ | parsec__: oh |
| 22:31.19 | Danar | !tell superjoint about root |
| 22:31.20 | chris__ | def call your local isp's and tell them the situation and see what options they have |
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| 22:31.23 | Eddie | ircing as root gives me more authoritah |
| 22:31.23 | petemc | parsec__: buy a tape drive |
| 22:31.25 | brayra | anyone know if kmail is broken in unstable. It suddenly give a segfault |
| 22:31.36 | robin_ | try retrieve from http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/ipw2200-source and you'll see |
| 22:31.55 | error403 | i have something outside of a user's home directory, which i want them too be able to edit... should i chown it or chmod 777 ? |
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| 22:31.58 | staniel | robin_: do you not understand that that is just a listing of packages |
| 22:32.15 | chris__ | error403: probably chown |
| 22:32.21 | error403 | right |
| 22:32.22 | error403 | ok |
| 22:32.23 | error403 | thanks |
| 22:32.28 | robin_ | sure |
| 22:32.41 | error403 | what about the fact its on a fat32 partition? |
| 22:33.01 | staniel | robin_: and do you understand that packages.debian.org is NOT an apt ready server? |
| 22:33.01 | chris__ | shouldn't matter |
| 22:33.21 | error403 | hrmm, maybe i have it mounted ro... |
| 22:33.23 | Eddie | is anyone else getting pingout for http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ |
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| 22:33.53 | robin_ | There are plenty of packages in that archive - if I try just adding packages.debian.org I can see some packages but it only retrieves those |
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| 22:34.05 | robin_ | under http://packages.debian.org/sdebian/dists... |
| 22:34.19 | robin_ | and the package I want is in http://packages.debian.org/stable/... |
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| 22:34.37 | shingouz | robin_: once more. packages.debian.org is *not* a repository you can use apt on |
| 22:34.52 | chris__ | robin_: what's the name of the package you want ? |
| 22:35.16 | robin_ | Oh - I see - package I need is ipw2200-source |
| 22:35.50 | shingouz | robin_: use module-assistant to work the magic |
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| 22:36.10 | transgress | woot! radeon card is now working! |
| 22:36.19 | chris__ | has anyone run into issues going from 2.4 to 2.6 and seeing "atkbd.c use 'setkeycodes ...' to make it known" |
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| 22:37.20 | robin_ | OK will check out module-assistant for a while thanks |
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| 22:38.37 | Grost | hi there, I have 80-90 percent permanent wa cpu consume --- anybody knowing how to trace it, where the problem is ? |
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| 22:38.58 | chris__ | what's top show you |
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| 22:39.10 | Grost | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:39.14 | robin_ | hey shingouz thanks - that starting to make more sense - cheers |
| 22:39.20 | shingouz | yw |
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| 22:39.41 | raf256 | thats right! |
| 22:39.44 | raf256 | Im back \o/ |
| 22:39.50 | shingouz | eek |
| 22:39.53 | raf256 | now system see my SB card, |
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| 22:40.06 | raf256 | turn out the card hardware was not pressed into the mainboard O_o |
| 22:40.11 | raf256 | !smite my computer shop |
| 22:40.12 | chris__ | Grost: whats iostat show you ? |
| 22:40.17 | PeTeRB | !pal raf256 |
| 22:40.30 | raf256 | !bushsmite PeTeRB |
| 22:40.37 | Grost | where do I find iostat ? |
| 22:40.50 | fortysixand2 | Does anyone know how to "uninstall" linux-wlan-ng? I want to go back to orinoco, but my hotplug kees trying to modprobe prism2_cs. Thank you |
| 22:40.52 | raf256 | Grost: perhaps use also "atop" (apt-get install it) |
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| 22:41.14 | streuner | dpkg, wb abrotman |
| 22:41.16 | rixth | If anyone here has op rights in PHP, we could REALLY use some help over here, some guy keeps echoing us and spamming |
| 22:41.20 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman has returned! |
| 22:41.35 | PeTeRB | rixth: Ask an ircop. |
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| 22:41.47 | abrotman | rixth: you could ask #freenode .. but you may have to wait a while for voice .. look for *.staff.freenode |
| 22:41.47 | rixth | PeTeR how? |
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| 22:41.59 | PeTeRB | rixth: Do what abrotman said |
| 22:42.12 | rixth | Nothing like /stats p? |
| 22:42.16 | abrotman | rixth: try to find a staff member in ##php |
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| 22:42.42 | abrotman | rixth: got it taken care of ? |
| 22:42.47 | rixth | Caffinated did it, oh well, I'll keep that in mind! |
| 22:42.51 | streuner | Do you have me on your ignore-list, abroman? |
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| 22:43.24 | MrBallZ | question: I can see the Access point, and have very good signal, but I'm not getting any IP Address, and the AP is working fine ... |
| 22:43.26 | streuner | abrotman: !! |
| 22:43.27 | abrotman | streuner: nope .. why ? |
| 22:43.32 | abrotman | streuner: mine is empty |
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| 22:43.36 | MrBallZ | how do i query for a IP Address ? |
| 22:43.39 | raf256 | raf256@lore:~$ lspci | egrep -i audio |
| 22:43.39 | raf256 | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce3 250Gb AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a1) |
| 22:43.39 | raf256 | 0000:02:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS |
| 22:43.42 | chris__ | MrBallZ: is the access point giving out ip's ? |
| 22:43.42 | abrotman | query what ? |
| 22:43.42 | scar_ | is there a way to show all processes cumulated sperately with their ammount of cpu/mem usage etc? |
| 22:43.46 | streuner | abrotman: nm then :-) |
| 22:43.50 | MrBallZ | chris: yes |
| 22:43.54 | abrotman | raf256: YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO PASTE HERE |
| 22:44.02 | abrotman | streuner: uhm ok |
| 22:44.03 | raf256 | abrotman: but jsut 3 lines O_o ... ? |
| 22:44.04 | chris__ | MrBallZ: dhclient eth0 |
| 22:44.08 | MrBallZ | chris__ : just installed the madwifi drivers on the laptop |
| 22:44.10 | MrBallZ | ok |
| 22:44.13 | abrotman | raf256: don't fucking paste ... |
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| 22:44.18 | beardy | scar_: ps aux | less ? |
| 22:44.33 | MrBallZ | YESS!!! |
| 22:44.39 | MrBallZ | chris: thanks !!!! |
| 22:44.41 | MrBallZ | hehehe |
| 22:44.47 | fortysixand2 | I checked the man page for cardmgr, and it said the database for cards is in /etc/pcmcia/config |
| 22:44.56 | fortysixand2 | but there is nothing in there about prism2_cs |
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| 22:45.45 | shingouz | fortysixand2: you need to tell hotplug about the card, not cardmgr. they are different things |
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| 22:46.02 | error403 | i know this is probably a common question, but is there a way to stop linux font rendering on an LCD screen from being a pile of s**t ? |
| 22:46.15 | abrotman | !drxx error403 |
| 22:46.16 | dpkg | error403: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 22:46.25 | scar_ | beardy, there is a way to show it ... recursively? (i dont know how to say....) like if I have multiple ssh session, all current session will be cumulated under one main thread for instance |
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| 22:46.28 | error403 | abrotman, i know that... |
| 22:46.35 | fortysixand2 | shingouz: then I should look in /etc/hotplug, right? |
| 22:46.40 | abrotman | error403: well .. that's how ? |
| 22:46.46 | error403 | abrotman, im not on about it being screwed up |
| 22:46.51 | error403 | i mean just plain ugly |
| 22:47.03 | PeTeRB | scar_: pstree? |
| 22:47.06 | abrotman | error403: is it anti aliased ... did you choose subpixel rendering ? |
| 22:47.08 | shingouz | fortysixand2: no idea, i have had ennough problems with hotplug and discover that i do not use them at all |
| 22:47.17 | error403 | abrotman, it didnt ask me.... |
| 22:47.27 | abrotman | !drxx error403 |
| 22:47.29 | dpkg | error403: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 22:47.42 | fortysixand2 | shingouz: cool. This is really my first try. Stupid pcmcia card! |
| 22:47.43 | scar_ | PeTeRB, yes, I guess thats it |
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| 22:49.06 | shingouz | fortysixand2: i just find it easier to not have discover or hotplug. i configure manually and use cardmgr and usbmgr. i am a dinosaur |
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| 22:49.57 | fortysixand2 | shingouz: I was digging hotplug, until I decided to try this dang linux-wlan-ng |
| 22:50.06 | shingouz | hehe |
| 22:50.35 | shingouz | bbiab |
| 22:51.19 | BeBrA | hello! i installed viewcvs, but there isn't alternate colours in filename (like http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/viewcvs/viewcvs/). do I need to modify templates? |
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| 22:52.10 | abrotman | why ? |
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| 22:52.29 | stew | !beer abrotman |
| 22:52.31 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:52.55 | dystopian | say, has anyone read the security mailing list lately? there is a thread about security updates being broken |
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| 22:53.14 | abrotman | dystopian: you don't say ... |
| 22:53.17 | abrotman | !sarge security isses |
| 22:53.19 | abrotman | !sarge security issues |
| 22:53.19 | dpkg | methinks stable security issues is http://newraff.debian.org/~joeyh/stable-security.html |
| 22:53.30 | abrotman | and read the warning at the top .. as in .. gaim was updated today or yesterday .. |
| 22:53.36 | dystopian | oic |
| 22:53.40 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 22:53.46 | stew | trade ya |
| 22:53.54 | abrotman | stew: okeedokee |
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| 22:54.22 | jim | BeBrA maybe... and maybe the existing templates contain referrals for color settings; you'd have to chase it back to where the macro is defined, then back to where the values are set |
| 22:54.38 | willyb | so sid is actually unstable now?? |
| 22:54.46 | jim | which might be the same place (i.e., in the macro definition) |
| 22:54.49 | stew | willyb: always has been, always will be |
| 22:54.55 | jim | well |
| 22:55.01 | abrotman | well . .it's flowing again |
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| 22:55.13 | willyb | hehe, i mean actually having broken packages etc... |
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| 22:55.23 | abrotman | so says the topic |
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| 22:55.30 | dystopian | so security updates are postponed "until"? |
| 22:55.31 | willyb | true |
| 22:55.36 | jim | when sarge was getting close, sid pinned itself down to some degree |
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| 22:55.54 | abrotman | dystopian: they are flowing again now .. you're not subscribed to debian-security-announce? |
| 22:55.54 | willyb | jim, ok, that makes sense |
| 22:56.00 | abrotman | dystopian: also check security.debian.org |
| 22:56.04 | jim | because remember, testing packages leak from unstable |
| 22:56.10 | willyb | ok |
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| 22:56.17 | raf256 | I got the SB 24 Audigry going (using ca0106 driver) but the mixer is not working well - only few controlls in output and NONE in input. |
| 22:56.18 | Vegar | How come the libcal3d10 package contains 0.9.1? |
| 22:56.21 | jim | so there's sorta a relationship there |
| 22:56.27 | abrotman | dystopian: if you use debian .. you should always be subscribed to debian-security-announce |
| 22:56.37 | MrBallZ | is this the main repository: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main ??? ?? |
| 22:56.44 | willyb | jim, so now it would be best to step back to testing? |
| 22:56.46 | superjoint | ok. I've f*cked up my permissions and now I cannot login as normal user. I get Unable to cd to "/home/me" |
| 22:56.50 | raf256 | MrBallZ: looks like i |
| 22:56.55 | brianski | howdy. having a problem with snmpd spontaneously dying - anyone had a similar problem/have ideas how to fix? |
| 22:57.01 | jim | willyb: depends on your purpose :P |
| 22:57.03 | superjoint | also su me says No shell |
| 22:57.09 | dystopian | thanks for the scoop abrotman |
| 22:57.13 | brianski | (on 3.1, that is) |
| 22:57.25 | willyb | jim: true, semi-production experimentation |
| 22:57.30 | raf256 | anyone here have working SB 24 (audigry) on debian? |
| 22:57.31 | maher | superjoint: are you root? |
| 22:57.41 | superjoint | maher, yes |
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| 22:57.52 | jim | semiproduction? what are you going to use for actual production/ |
| 22:57.53 | jim | ? |
| 22:58.04 | maher | superjoint: check permissions of /home/me with ls -ld and fix them with chmod / chown |
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| 22:58.38 | jim | hom/mie! |
| 22:58.47 | superjoint | maher, drwxr-xr-x 147 me me 8.0K Jul 7 00:13 me |
| 22:58.48 | jim | hom/mie do't play dat! |
| 22:58.56 | superjoint | maher, i guess this is correct |
| 22:58.59 | abrotman | caphuso: is your isp really that flaky ? |
| 22:59.11 | superjoint | there must be something with bash or sh permissions but i cannot fix it |
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| 22:59.37 | liquid_ | anyone know a good debian clustering howto? |
| 22:59.39 | superjoint | is there a quick way to fix my /bin and /usr/bin permissions? |
| 22:59.41 | maher | superjoint: grep me /etc/passwd and check you have a sane shell |
| 22:59.41 | willyb | jim: thanks! |
| 22:59.49 | abrotman | or any shell :) |
| 22:59.57 | abrotman | or in /etc/shells ? |
| 22:59.58 | jim | willyb: so what are you going to use for production? |
| 23:00.18 | maher | superjoint: what did you do to your permisions? |
| 23:00.23 | willyb | jim: asterisk |
| 23:00.31 | superjoint | maher, I have /bin/bash which is -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 652K May 25 15:59 /bin/bash |
| 23:00.38 | willyb | jim: probably under sarge. |
| 23:00.40 | superjoint | isn't this correct? |
| 23:00.55 | superjoint | I accidently did a recursive a-x to / :( |
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| 23:01.12 | abrotman | superjoint: ls -l <yourhomedir> |
| 23:01.20 | dystopian | brb |
| 23:01.25 | abrotman | superjoint: your system is fucked :) |
| 23:01.36 | jim | willyb: then production/devel should take place under sarge as well... if you then want to visit the unstable zoo too, then you might use a chroot |
| 23:01.37 | maher | superjoint: do you have a backup? |
| 23:01.47 | abrotman | cause you need it :) |
| 23:01.51 | superjoint | abrotman, I have this debian install for 2 years!!! I cannot delete it |
| 23:01.58 | superjoint | I HAVE to fix it |
| 23:02.14 | willyb | jim: that sounds cool, probably less of a headache too ;) |
| 23:02.25 | abrotman | superjoint: you've fucked permissions for every single file/dir on the system |
| 23:02.38 | abrotman | obviouslyt a chmod a+x / is wrong |
| 23:02.39 | raf256 | noone can gave me ANY hints about getting this sb 24 audigry card to work? (cars is detected by alsaconf by the mixer is broken - half of volumes are missing) |
| 23:02.44 | jim | yeah, nothing changes there, so you're guaranteed an unmoving development env |
| 23:02.44 | abrotman | superjoint: oh wait wait |
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| 23:02.51 | abrotman | superjoint: did you do a -R / .. or just / |
| 23:02.53 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:03.00 | superjoint | -R |
| 23:03.01 | jim | having said that, you can build whatever else you want |
| 23:03.06 | abrotman | superjoint: yep .. you're fucked :) |
| 23:03.06 | raf256 | !pal superjoint |
| 23:03.11 | error403 | haha |
| 23:03.16 | superjoint | lol |
| 23:03.17 | abrotman | raf256: like you're so smart |
| 23:03.18 | maher | superjoint: well - start by making all the executables exutable - /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin |
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| 23:03.20 | transgress | anyone know the command for 3dchess? i installed it, but that's not the command... that always makes me sad |
| 23:03.23 | superjoint | i am not quiting |
| 23:03.26 | raf256 | abrotman: indeed! |
| 23:03.31 | superjoint | yeah yeah i did this |
| 23:03.34 | tony400 | Is there a fonts package that I need for XFree86? |
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| 23:03.43 | superjoint | chmod a+x /bin and /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin |
| 23:03.47 | streuner | tony400: no |
| 23:03.48 | maher | superjoint: /lib /usr/lib |
| 23:03.53 | abrotman | superjoint: what are the perms on /home/$HOME ? |
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| 23:03.54 | willyb | jim: alright, thanks for the words of wisdom :) |
| 23:03.55 | streuner | tony400: /msg dpkg ttf xf4 |
| 23:04.04 | raf256 | superjoint: make /tmp sticky |
| 23:04.15 | superjoint | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.16 | jim | willyb: now, I also see another need you have... |
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| 23:04.18 | maher | superjoint: /lib /usr/lib <-- i mean check the dir is +x not the ocntents |
| 23:04.19 | tony400 | streuner: What will that do? |
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| 23:04.31 | willyb | jim: what?> |
| 23:04.43 | streuner | tony400: just type '/msg dpkg ttf xf4' into your irc-client |
| 23:04.46 | abrotman | truth be told a+x / would work .. |
| 23:04.50 | superjoint | abrotman, drwxr-xr-x 147 me me 8.0K Jul 7 00:13 me |
| 23:04.51 | abrotman | then the subdirs get sticky |
| 23:04.53 | jim | if you want to do whatever else, you might consider a completely separate machine to run sid or testing or whatever |
| 23:04.59 | jim | so you can still visit the zoo |
| 23:05.07 | abrotman | err not sticky perms .. sticky/messy |
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| 23:05.17 | willyb | jim: what is this "zoo"? |
| 23:05.20 | raf256 | so no one can help me with SB 24 ? |
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| 23:05.23 | abrotman | superjoint: /home is also a+x ? |
| 23:05.23 | willyb | jim: sid? |
| 23:05.26 | jim | but the zoo won't visit you when you're in the middle of important work |
| 23:05.27 | abrotman | raf256: like you're so smart |
| 23:05.29 | jcole | anyone here know where to get "sound themes" for gnome? |
| 23:05.35 | abrotman | theymakethose ? |
| 23:05.40 | jim | yeah, it's animalistic in there... |
| 23:05.40 | willyb | jim: LOL |
| 23:05.47 | jim | nice place to visit... |
| 23:05.49 | abrotman | jcole: ask on irc.gnome.org |
| 23:05.55 | raf256 | !smite abrotman |
| 23:05.57 | jim | but do you really want to live there? :) |
| 23:06.02 | jcole | abrotman: ah. right. |
| 23:06.12 | superjoint | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K Jul 7 01:25 bin |
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| 23:06.19 | superjoint | drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 8.0K Jul 7 01:09 lib |
| 23:06.25 | bluefox83 | after changing iptables rules and checking to make sure nothing is using a port i'm trying to receive a file on, should i restart my connection ( /etc/init.d/networking restart) ? |
| 23:06.25 | abrotman | superjoint: and / ? |
| 23:06.25 | willyb | jim: true, that. |
| 23:06.26 | abrotman | and /tmp ? |
| 23:06.28 | superjoint | drwxrwsr-x 6 root staff 4.0K Jun 18 2004 home |
| 23:06.34 | superjoint | drwxrwxrwt 13 root root 4.0K Jul 7 01:58 tmp |
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| 23:06.49 | maher | Supaplex: ls -ld / |
| 23:06.56 | jim | bottom line, do what you want... but debian provides these options for a reason |
| 23:06.57 | abrotman | superjoint: too |
| 23:07.30 | maher | bluefox83: shouldn't need to |
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| 23:07.55 | jim | note that as you get closer to the zoo, you get further away from supportability too... the number of people who will be aware of newer and newer problems decreases exponentially |
| 23:08.04 | superjoint | ok login successful |
| 23:08.06 | bluefox83 | well, i've done everything that's been recommended, and i can't get this damn thing to receive on port 2050 |
| 23:08.11 | superjoint | brb |
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| 23:08.17 | jim | the base is probably sorta close to 1 tho |
| 23:08.21 | maher | bluefox83: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:08.27 | ralf | gcc4 is the default compiler now? |
| 23:08.35 | stew | ralf: in sid |
| 23:08.36 | willyb | jim: i like the idea of haveig a zoo to visit though |
| 23:08.37 | merowing | im looking someone from poland |
| 23:08.39 | jim | ralf: for stable? |
| 23:08.43 | ralf | yes, in sid |
| 23:08.48 | abrotman | merowing: why ? |
| 23:08.49 | stew | ralf: yes, in sid |
| 23:08.55 | raf256 | #php kind of need an op - flood |
| 23:09.02 | bluefox83 | maher, trying to receive a file from someone, but port 2050 is blocked somehow, i can't figure out why or how, i'm not running any firewalls, and i've never told any software to block my ports |
| 23:09.02 | merowing | i dont speak english wery well |
| 23:09.08 | abrotman | raf256: don't tell us |
| 23:09.11 | stew | raf256: and why would you tell us? |
| 23:09.11 | abrotman | merowing: any other langguages ? |
| 23:09.15 | raf256 | abrotman: I thought you are... ok |
| 23:09.19 | merowing | polish |
| 23:09.24 | PeTeRB | !pl |
| 23:09.24 | dpkg | hmm... pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 23:09.28 | maher | bluefox83: how are you transfering the file? |
| 23:09.29 | raf256 | merowing: polish \o/ |
| 23:09.29 | abrotman | raf256: i'm no ircop |
| 23:09.34 | stew | raf256: #freenode /msg someone from staff.freenode |
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| 23:09.39 | abrotman | we have a #debian.pl ? |
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| 23:09.42 | stew | !pl |
| 23:09.42 | dpkg | somebody said pl was sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 23:09.43 | bluefox83 | maher, dcc |
| 23:09.49 | jim | apparantly |
| 23:10.25 | maher | bluefox83: are either of you nat-ed? |
| 23:10.27 | PeTeRB | Hah. #debian.pl sure is crowded :| |
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| 23:10.39 | bluefox83 | no |
| 23:10.49 | maher | bluefox83: dunno - why not email it |
| 23:10.55 | stew | hah /topic #debian.pl |
| 23:11.05 | bluefox83 | maher, cus their fserve script doesn't e-mail mp3's |
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| 23:11.10 | superjoint | so is there a way to make all directories +x? |
| 23:11.43 | bluefox83 | it doesn't matter though, i can't receive files from anyone using mirc because it wants to send on port 2050 |
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| 23:12.09 | jim | superjoint: yes, look into find, xargs and chmod |
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| 23:12.38 | mihaly | how can I extract rar archives? |
| 23:12.41 | wheen | lilo sez: donate! http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1792/lilo0fk.swf |
| 23:12.47 | jim | how rar are they? |
| 23:13.09 | _metaperl_vc | mihaly: apt-get install rar |
| 23:13.09 | maher | bluefox83: are you receiving the packets on 2050? use ippl or netcat or something to check |
| 23:13.15 | _metaperl_vc | mihaly: apt-get install unrar |
| 23:13.16 | abrotman | !ops wheen |
| 23:13.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: wheen |
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| 23:13.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 23:13.33 | abrotman | helix: thank you |
| 23:13.35 | kadigibox | is there a package that contains silc? |
| 23:13.36 | jim | whaat's wheen? |
| 23:13.40 | abrotman | a goner |
| 23:13.43 | helix | dutch |
| 23:13.56 | bluefox83 | maher, i don't know *how* to use netcat, have you read the man page? it's the most insane manpage i've ever seen |
| 23:14.12 | mihaly | _metaperl_vc: none of them are avaible |
| 23:14.13 | jim | and the reason he's kicked and banned is? |
| 23:14.21 | abrotman | jim: he's spamming #php also |
| 23:14.23 | abrotman | or was |
| 23:14.26 | jim | ahh |
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| 23:14.43 | _metaperl_vc | mihaly: maybe add non-free and contrib to your sources.list for apt |
| 23:14.49 | _metaperl_vc | !non-free |
| 23:14.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
| 23:14.53 | abrotman | jim: and did you try the URL ? |
| 23:14.57 | jim | oic, didnt' see that |
| 23:14.59 | jim | hell no |
| 23:15.12 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:15.35 | jim | if I saw that, I also wouldnt' have tried it |
| 23:15.43 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:16.12 | mihaly | _metaperl_vc: WinRar had a trail version for linux but I didn't wanto crap down my linux system with shareware |
| 23:16.39 | _metaperl_vc | mihaly: on my box at home, I just yped apt-get install unrar |
| 23:16.56 | _metaperl_vc | all you need to do is add non-free and contrib to sources.list and then apt-get update and then apt-get install unrar |
| 23:17.33 | mihaly | whats your source to unrar? |
| 23:17.40 | bluefox83 | to listen to a local port with netcat, do i use netcat -l -p 2050 localhost 2050? |
| 23:17.42 | abrotman | mihaly: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 23:17.44 | jim | he just told you |
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| 23:18.39 | mihaly | oh found it on debian.org |
| 23:18.45 | abrotman | !non-free |
| 23:18.45 | dpkg | methinks non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
| 23:18.45 | phycho | 0000:01:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Mai Logic Incorporated: Unknown device 8139 (rev 10) |
| 23:18.48 | abrotman | THERE >> THERE THERE |
| 23:18.50 | phycho | anyone got any ideas how to fix that? |
| 23:18.52 | abrotman | see it .. READ IT |
| 23:18.53 | jim | you can find LOTS of things there |
| 23:18.56 | bluefox83 | !netcat |
| 23:18.56 | dpkg | i heard netcat is a neat little networking toolkit, or a must-have (http://www.l0pht.com/~weld/netcat/), or a great MUA... no, really. try "nc" if you want the other netcat thingy |
| 23:18.59 | abrotman | !pciids |
| 23:19.00 | dpkg | i guess pciids is run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device" |
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| 23:19.03 | abrotman | phycho: ^^ |
| 23:19.09 | phycho | k |
| 23:19.24 | phycho | it still says it |
| 23:19.25 | phycho | 0000:01:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Mai Logic Incorporated: Unknown device 8139 (rev 10) |
| 23:19.25 | jim | see it... feel it... touch it... read it... |
| 23:19.35 | phycho | its a realtek chipset |
| 23:19.38 | phycho | ive loaded rlt8139 |
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| 23:19.41 | phycho | it still does nothing |
| 23:19.45 | phycho | it doesnt setup eth2 |
| 23:19.51 | jim | you could also try 8139too |
| 23:19.53 | thingfish | listening to you, I get the music, gazing at you... |
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| 23:20.06 | jim | you loaded it? |
| 23:20.08 | phycho | i tried that also jim |
| 23:20.10 | phycho | i loaded both |
| 23:20.14 | phycho | i still dont get an eth2 |
| 23:20.15 | jim | try ifconfig eth2 |
| 23:20.18 | phycho | i did |
| 23:20.20 | phycho | not found |
| 23:20.25 | phycho | gw:/etc# ifconfig eth2 |
| 23:20.25 | phycho | eth2: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 23:20.30 | jim | ok |
| 23:20.41 | bluefox83 | can anyone help me figure out how to use netcat please? |
| 23:20.42 | jim | how many eth cards you got |
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| 23:20.48 | phycho | 4 in the box |
| 23:20.52 | phycho | one of them is ath0 |
| 23:20.54 | jim | 4? |
| 23:20.56 | phycho | yep |
| 23:20.57 | daedalus_ | bluefox83: man netcat ;) |
| 23:21.00 | jim | ath? |
| 23:21.05 | phycho | ath = atheros wifi card |
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| 23:21.12 | bluefox83 | daedalus_, as i have already stated..the man page doesn't help |
| 23:21.15 | phycho | 3 are detected fine |
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| 23:21.17 | phycho | ath, eth0,eth1 |
| 23:21.23 | phycho | its just the one card thats different from the rest |
| 23:21.26 | phycho | that cant be detected. |
| 23:21.32 | jim | bluefox83: then you gotta learn how to read man pages |
| 23:21.36 | daedalus_ | bluefox83: thinking.... |
| 23:21.46 | phycho | jim - pm |
| 23:21.51 | jacko24 | hello i had a question for everyone here. I have talked to my friends at verizon, and they said that they couldn't help me very much. |
| 23:21.52 | bluefox83 | i just want to see whats coming into or out of 2050!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:21.53 | phycho | thats my lspci output |
| 23:21.55 | phycho | any ideas? |
| 23:21.58 | jacko24 | first I am using Debian stable sarge. Whenever I turn on a P2P service like Azureus or gnutella my connection is lost |
| 23:22.04 | jacko24 | and I use DHCP to access my router |
| 23:22.09 | abrotman | that's RIAA :) |
| 23:22.13 | phycho | heh |
| 23:22.14 | Liquid_Tension | anyone know what i have to do to get X forwarded using sshd on a linux box and putty on a windows xp box (other than just enabling X forwarding) |
| 23:22.16 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 23:22.19 | jacko24 | and i was wondering if you guys know why |
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| 23:22.32 | maher | bluefox83: grab two terminals do the netcat -l on one and telnet localhost 2050 on the other |
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| 23:22.36 | crashbg | how can i install the bluetooth handsfree alsa hack on debian using the debian alsa debs? |
| 23:22.37 | jim | ok, so you do have 4 cards installed... |
| 23:22.44 | crashbg | the hack is here: http://www.soft.uni-linz.ac.at/_wiki/tiki-index.php?page=ProjectBluezHandsfree |
| 23:22.57 | mihaly | I am looking for an xvid encoder for my debian system does anyone of you know one thats good? |
| 23:23.03 | maher | Liquid_Tension: do you have an X server? |
| 23:23.08 | crashbg | mihaly, mencoder? |
| 23:23.15 | jacko24 | or if you can help |
| 23:23.25 | willyb | mihaly, ffmpeg? |
| 23:23.26 | bluefox83 | maher, said unable to connect, connection refused |
| 23:23.29 | Liquid_Tension | maher: yeah |
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| 23:23.37 | bluefox83 | and netcat isn't doing anything |
| 23:23.37 | jim | I wonder if loading the driver multiple times would help, or feeding driver loads the pci location of the card |
| 23:23.38 | zOap | in shell scripting(bash), is there a way to get one line (echo) to hold for several seconds before moving to the next line? |
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| 23:23.50 | airlynx | looking at the page http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/MIDI-HOWTO-7.html it asks me to cat /dev/sndstat, but when I do it says no such device, even though I can see it when I dir the /dev directory, could this be a part of my problem? |
| 23:23.57 | abrotman | jim: once should get all .. check dmesg |
| 23:24.02 | jim | zOap: man sleep |
| 23:24.06 | beardy | zOap: sleep ? |
| 23:24.09 | jacko24 | could someone help please? I lose my connection whenever i start up a P2P service like azureus I run debian stable |
| 23:24.11 | zOap | jim, thank you:) |
| 23:24.12 | daedalus_ | bluefox83: You want tcpdump then |
| 23:24.20 | lauraw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:24.25 | dystopian | laters |
| 23:24.26 | maher | bluefox83: netcat -l -p 2050 localhost / telnet localhost 2050 |
| 23:24.29 | jim | and no, I'm NOT locutus |
| 23:24.29 | daedalus_ | bluefox83: or check out /usr/share/doc/netcat/README.gz (as per the man page) |
| 23:24.49 | daedalus_ | bluefox83: Or take maher's advice :) |
| 23:25.03 | jacko24 | could someone help please? I lose my connection whenever i start up a P2P service like azureus I run debian stable |
| 23:25.05 | Liquid_Tension | maher: any ideas? |
| 23:25.13 | abrotman | jacko24: try gtk-gnutella .. same thing happen ? |
| 23:25.17 | maher | Liquid_Tension: do you have xforwarding enabled in sshd_config |
| 23:25.20 | jacko24 | yeat abrotman |
| 23:25.22 | Liquid_Tension | yeah |
| 23:25.23 | jacko24 | same thing |
| 23:25.30 | bluefox83 | daedalus_, telnet connected, but netcat isn't saying anything |
| 23:25.33 | jacko24 | and i don't know why |
| 23:25.34 | abrotman | jacko24: nat'ed box ? |
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| 23:25.41 | maher | bluefox83: type stuff |
| 23:25.44 | jacko24 | what does that mean abrotman |
| 23:25.48 | abrotman | !nat |
| 23:25.48 | dpkg | hmm... nat is Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more fexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs', or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
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| 23:26.14 | abrotman | !nat =~ s/fexible/flexible/ |
| 23:26.14 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 23:26.16 | Liquid_Tension | maher: I have it enabled on both putty and the server |
| 23:26.24 | nyterukh | back |
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| 23:26.35 | jacko24 | i started up a nat from the router |
| 23:26.44 | jacko24 | and things download at first and then they stop |
| 23:26.51 | abrotman | !beer FireHopper |
| 23:26.51 | bluefox83 | ok, i turned off netcat, and the connection was lost... |
| 23:26.57 | maher | Liquid_Tension: what happens when you do xload & |
| 23:27.01 | jacko24 | do you recommend having a firewall with just browsing abrotman? |
| 23:27.01 | FireHopper | errr confused rather |
| 23:27.07 | abrotman | jacko24: hell yes |
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| 23:27.33 | abrotman | !whiskey initech |
| 23:27.33 | maher | bluefox83: leave netcat listening and try and telnet 2050 from a remote host |
| 23:27.38 | abrotman | !whisky initech |
| 23:27.38 | FireHopper | I'm running debain 3.1 on my laptop.. but It dun have apic or APM loaded into the kernel.. how do I fix that? |
| 23:27.44 | abrotman | dpkg: you should drink more |
| 23:27.47 | jacko24 | I use firehol abrotman is there a better one that I can get a basic firewall running without learning all that ip stuff right away? |
| 23:27.53 | Liquid_Tension | maher: don't know, haven't tried, hang on |
| 23:27.54 | bluefox83 | i don't have a remote host to telnet to it with.. |
| 23:27.57 | abrotman | jacko24: your firewall is a linux box ? |
| 23:28.09 | maher | bluefox83: what about your freind |
| 23:28.13 | witless | hi. i'm trying to install grub so it boots of the second of two 3ware ata-raid controllers. can't boot into it now, but booted into a livecd, chroot to the hard disk, and run grub-install /dev/sdb. it says "/dev/sda6 does not have any corresponding bios drive." can anyone help? |
| 23:28.18 | abrotman | FireHopper: apt-get install acpid|apmd .. how old is your laptop ? |
| 23:28.22 | Liquid_Tension | maher: nothing...this whole idea is something I've never done |
| 23:28.23 | jacko24 | i don't have a firewall |
| 23:28.30 | jacko24 | i was using firehol |
| 23:28.32 | abrotman | jacko24: firehol is a firewall :) |
| 23:28.33 | jacko24 | for a while |
| 23:28.34 | bluefox83 | maher, my "friend' is an automated script..which is why i haven't just had the file e-mailed |
| 23:28.40 | raf256 | any idea what can I do to have Sound BLaster 24 working? |
| 23:28.44 | Liquid_Tension | maher: |
| 23:28.51 | jacko24 | but i was wondering if you know of another that is easier to setup |
| 23:28.52 | Liquid_Tension | maher: xconnection lost |
| 23:28.59 | abrotman | jacko24: maybe your ISP is shutting it off ? |
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| 23:29.10 | FireHopper | abrotman: it's not very old.. isa p4 2.66ghz hp laptop.. |
| 23:29.22 | abrotman | FireHopper: apt-get install acpid .. apm is not for you |
| 23:29.26 | jacko24 | ok abrotman so i have to set up an ip masquerade to get my P2P to work correctly without overloading my connection? |
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| 23:29.43 | maher | Liquid_Tension: http://www-users.itlabs.umn.edu/classes/Fall-2002/csci5201/how_to_xwin.htm |
| 23:29.44 | abrotman | jacko24: i doubt it . i just asked it were natted |
| 23:29.52 | jacko24 | no |
| 23:29.55 | raf256 | !smites channel for not helping with sound blaster fellow debian user |
| 23:29.55 | abrotman | jacko24: does your machine have a real IP ? |
| 23:29.56 | Liquid_Tension | maher: thanks |
| 23:29.58 | raf256 | !smite channel for not helping with sound blaster fellow debian user |
| 23:30.02 | jacko24 | i don't know much about the technical stuff behind linux |
| 23:30.10 | jacko24 | yes i think so |
| 23:30.13 | abrotman | jacko24: ifconfig -a .. find your IP |
| 23:30.23 | bluefox83 | raf256, what kernel are you using? |
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| 23:30.29 | raf256 | bluefox83: 2.6.11 |
| 23:30.36 | jacko24 | i don't have ifconfig |
| 23:30.39 | bluefox83 | raf256, custom or debian image? |
| 23:30.43 | abrotman | jacko24: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 23:30.45 | raf256 | jacko24: log in as root (su) |
| 23:30.46 | maher | bluefox83: is netcat still listening? |
| 23:30.48 | daedalus_ | bluefox83: Are you trying to wiretap the transaction (like, is your script expecting some sort of response?), or do you just need some dumb server to cat the incoming stream to a file? |
| 23:30.51 | abrotman | raf256: don't do that |
| 23:30.53 | raf256 | bluefox83: debian |
| 23:31.04 | jacko24 | ok yes |
| 23:31.07 | jacko24 | i found it |
| 23:31.09 | abrotman | jacko24: what's the IP ? |
| 23:31.22 | raf256 | abrotman: what? normal users dont have "ifconfig" access usually |
| 23:31.24 | jacko24 | 192.168.1.47 of eth0 |
| 23:31.29 | jacko24 | i also have vmware |
| 23:31.32 | bluefox83 | maher, yes |
| 23:31.34 | jacko24 | so they have their own as well |
| 23:31.37 | abrotman | raf256: yes you do .. it's just not in your path .. so don't tell him to do that .. |
| 23:31.45 | abrotman | jacko24: you're NAT'ed somewhere |
| 23:31.57 | abrotman | jacko24: oh wait .. you're running debian in vmware ? |
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| 23:32.00 | daedalus_ | raf256: /sbin/ifconfig works for all users |
| 23:32.02 | raf256 | abrotman: indeed O_o |
| 23:32.04 | jacko24 | no |
| 23:32.10 | bluefox83 | daedalus_, someone is using an automated mirc script to send files to people in a channel, i an trying to get it to send me a file, it tries but the file can't get through for some reason |
| 23:32.15 | jacko24 | i am running winnt on debian sometimes but not now |
| 23:32.24 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 23:32.40 | raf256 | bluefox83: so any sugestions? the device is detected by alsaconf, but the mixer is screwedup, something is wrong |
| 23:32.41 | jacko24 | i have an ebay store and i need turbo lister |
| 23:32.43 | shingouz | bluefox83: can that person send to others? |
| 23:32.46 | bluefox83 | raf256, modprobe the soundcard driver |
| 23:32.49 | jacko24 | that is why i installed it |
| 23:32.51 | maher | bluefox83: hmm - i got a response once but I'm not getting thru in general |
| 23:32.51 | jacko24 | so anyways |
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| 23:32.57 | bluefox83 | raf256, then set up your favorite sound server |
| 23:33.08 | jacko24 | do you have any idea why my connection is overloaded when i use P2P abrotman? |
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| 23:33.25 | bluefox83 | invalid connection to [69.22.114.247] from (UNKNOWN) [131.215.241.206] 60902 <--that? |
| 23:33.27 | abrotman | jacko24: everything else still works ? |
| 23:33.28 | daedalus_ | bluefox83: Aight. So, use tcpdump to see if anything is making it to that port. |
| 23:33.32 | jacko24 | i think so |
| 23:33.32 | abrotman | jacko24: i mean after the p2p aborts ? |
| 23:33.35 | jacko24 | irc works |
| 23:33.37 | abrotman | find out :) |
| 23:33.38 | maher | bluefox83: that was me |
| 23:33.39 | jacko24 | oh no |
| 23:33.43 | jacko24 | the connection is lost |
| 23:33.45 | raf256 | bluefox83: I ment, alsamixer (and others) shows too few volume controls and have them quite messed up |
| 23:33.50 | jacko24 | and i have to go into the router and connect it again |
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| 23:33.56 | abrotman | jacko24: /etc/init.d/networking restart .. does the stuff work again ? |
| 23:34.17 | kadigibox | Is there any rules that I should follow to compile a program that is not provided in a debian package that would make the program compatible with debian and so I can remove it with dpkg or whatever |
| 23:34.23 | zoomnap | My BIOS turns on NUM LOCK automatically but Linux turns it off, both before loading GDM and after logging in with it. How do I change that? |
| 23:34.26 | jacko24 | am i supposed to run that now? |
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| 23:34.32 | raf256 | http://nixdoc.net/files/forum/about46619.html <-- like this |
| 23:34.38 | lauraw | kadigibox: you'd have to create a .deb package out of it |
| 23:34.43 | jacko24 | my connection is up right now |
| 23:34.46 | abrotman | jacko24: if your p2p just crashed .. yes |
| 23:34.54 | jim | kadigibox: you could use equivs or you could actually package it or you could find it already packaged and alter to suit and rebuild |
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| 23:35.02 | kadigibox | lauraw, any information you could provide me on how to do that? |
| 23:35.04 | jacko24 | if my P2P crashes i will get kicked off this server |
| 23:35.11 | jacko24 | so i don't want to run it yet |
| 23:35.17 | raf256 | audigy sound blaster is a totall shit |
| 23:35.22 | raf256 | !smite audigry |
| 23:35.24 | jacko24 | i am trying to find out why it does it so i can get it to stop |
| 23:35.24 | abrotman | jacko24: i suspect it's crashing the driver |
| 23:35.31 | abrotman | jacko24: only one way to find out :) |
| 23:35.40 | lauraw | kadigibox: http://www.debian.org/devel/ should have useful links; it's a bit of a big dose of information to digest at first, but then it's easy |
| 23:35.44 | abrotman | !nm |
| 23:35.45 | jacko24 | so i type that in when it crashes and do what? |
| 23:35.45 | dpkg | nm is probably New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 23:35.58 | abrotman | jacko24: see if you can browse web/irc again |
| 23:36.03 | scar_ | is it possible to make a hdd unaccessible for a while? like unmounting it? how is that done? and how can I mount it again if needed? |
| 23:36.12 | jacko24 | and that will help how? |
| 23:36.35 | abrotman | jacko24: it will help to see what is happening |
| 23:36.43 | jacko24 | ok here we go |
| 23:36.45 | abrotman | jacko24: i can't tell if just p2p is dying .. or all connections |
| 23:37.15 | raf256 | !audigry |
| 23:37.15 | dpkg | i guess audigry is a shitty sound card. For instance SoundBlaster 24 bit works as shit, even on 2.6.11 kernels. |
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| 23:37.23 | phed | how can I resolve this error? libfaad2-dev: Depends: libfaad2-0 (= 2.0.0-0.3) but 2.0.0-sarge0.2 is to be installed |
| 23:37.29 | daedalus_ | scar_:Um, well, if it's not a partition that is critical (like / or /sbin) you can umount /<mountpoint> |
| 23:37.31 | jacko24 | bye for nw |
| 23:37.35 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:37.38 | abrotman | hurry back :) |
| 23:37.43 | mdh | raf256: what's your problem with the audigy? |
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| 23:37.56 | raf256 | mdh: identical to this: http://nixdoc.net/files/forum/about46619.html |
| 23:37.59 | phed | I'm using a different source now. and removing the package will remove a lot of programs that are manually installed. |
| 23:37.59 | daedalus_ | scar_: And similarly, you remount it with mount /<mountpoint> |
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| 23:38.11 | bluefox83 | what the heck is promiscuous mode and how do i turn it off? |
| 23:38.12 | mdh | raf256: they're the only semi-decent card I can get around here and I'm in the market for a new machine :/ |
| 23:38.14 | raf256 | mdh: it looks LIKE it is detected (alsaconf) but even the mixer do not work |
| 23:38.14 | daedalus_ | scar_:assuming your fstab is sane and all.... |
| 23:38.30 | raf256 | with cards are the best supported? |
| 23:38.30 | abrotman | !tell bluefox83 about promiscuous |
| 23:38.36 | scar_ | daedalus_, no it's a seperate to all other system relatives ... does umount and mount use all standard settings like when booting up? |
| 23:38.37 | raf256 | !stabs Creative fuckers |
| 23:38.40 | raf256 | !stab Creative fuckers |
| 23:38.54 | abrotman | raf256: did you think to ask #alsa ? |
| 23:38.55 | slugbug | Is there some sort of H.323 SIP program that would allow multiple people to call in and have a conference? |
| 23:39.01 | bluefox83 | heh, i know i'm running snort.. |
| 23:39.01 | raf256 | abrotman: yes. _NO_ response |
| 23:39.09 | abrotman | raf256: did you .. WAIT ? |
| 23:39.22 | jim | Go Ask Alsa... when she's 10 feet talll... |
| 23:39.23 | raf256 | abrotman: an hour so far |
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| 23:39.33 | abrotman | raf256: wait wait wait .. |
| 23:39.34 | abrotman | !piav |
| 23:39.34 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 23:39.45 | transgress | hey anyone know a good howto on setting up mutt so i can mail out... as best as i can tell, i have to set up the local mailserver to do it |
| 23:39.46 | initech | bluefox83: well turn off the promiscuous option in snort, unless you want to sniff the whole network. if you're just sniffing a single interface, there's no point |
| 23:39.47 | abrotman | you're so damned impatient .. in every channel |
| 23:39.47 | daedalus_ | scar_: Yes. When your system boots, it mounts things according to the /etc/fstab file. Unless you specify options on the cmd line to override them, mount and umount will use the /etc/fstab file options too. |
| 23:39.48 | raf256 | !never |
| 23:39.48 | dpkg | i heard never is when woody will release |
| 23:39.52 | phed | I hope somebody answer me :B |
| 23:39.57 | raf256 | omg this factoid is so old O_o |
| 23:39.58 | scorphus | hi all, new TTF fonts were installed on /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttf/ and I wish to use them in Gimp, is it necesary to restart the X server to get the new fonts loaded? |
| 23:40.02 | bluefox83 | oh..heh |
| 23:40.17 | abrotman | phed: this is bad ? |
| 23:40.21 | scar_ | daedalus_, great. so unmounting that drive should not leave big problems behind, right? |
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| 23:40.30 | slugbug | scorphus: xset fp rehash |
| 23:40.30 | streuner | scorphus: generally yes |
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| 23:40.39 | daedalus_ | scar_:Note - if you don't change the automount setting in /etc/fstab, the volume will moutn again on the next boot |
| 23:40.41 | dippo | anyone know how to fix this: FastCgiIpcDir /var/lib/apache/fastcgi: access for server (uid 65534, gid 65534) failed: write not allowed |
| 23:40.47 | dippo | i don't know why apache thinks it's running as nobody |
| 23:40.51 | scorphus | I'll take a look, thx |
| 23:41.00 | abrotman | because apache runs as nobody or www-data |
| 23:41.01 | dippo | maybe start-stop-daemon starts it up as nobody before changing to www-data? |
| 23:41.09 | dippo | well, my apache runs as www-data |
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| 23:41.20 | mdh | dippo: maybe your httpd.conf changes it to user nobody |
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| 23:41.22 | daedalus_ | scar_: Depends upon if it contains system libraries or binaries ;) If not, then no. If it contains /home, you may have problems logging in as a regular user |
| 23:41.25 | scar_ | daedalus_, yes I want it to be automounted when booting. I just need a temporarily *turn off* |
| 23:41.29 | in\exhale | changing the font size with gtk-thmee-switch2 won't change it at firefox ui. an ideas? |
| 23:41.39 | scar_ | daedalus_, ok ... thank you very much! |
| 23:41.41 | abrotman | gtk2-theme-switch ? |
| 23:41.43 | slugbug | in\exhale: firefox doesn't use GTK2 |
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| 23:41.48 | FireHopper | okay.. so whats a good Battery monitor for a laptop? |
| 23:41.51 | dippo | i don't see how that would be happening anywhere |
| 23:41.51 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 23:41.56 | mdh | dippo: apache is started as user "root" so it can bind to the privileged port 80 |
| 23:41.57 | jim | dippo: apache running as nobody is typical of other dists... |
| 23:42.05 | abrotman | gtkfontsel ? |
| 23:42.06 | abrotman | nfc |
| 23:42.09 | scorphus | slugbug: many thanks |
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| 23:42.21 | dippo | i am not sure what to do here.. i can't figure out if it's a bug with apache or libapache-mod-fastcgi |
| 23:42.29 | daedalus_ | scar_: No problem |
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| 23:42.38 | mdh | dippo: have you *looked* at your config files? any one of them could be changing the user &/or group to "nobody" |
| 23:42.38 | in\exhale | slackd00d, are you sure? the widgets change color and stuff |
| 23:42.40 | abrotman | dippo: where is it trying to write ? |
| 23:42.44 | smithman | abrotman |
| 23:42.47 | smithman | this is jacko24 |
| 23:42.48 | dippo | mdh: yes |
| 23:42.52 | in\exhale | slugbug, are you sure? the widgets change color and stuff |
| 23:42.54 | abrotman | smithman: i can see that :) |
| 23:42.57 | abrotman | smithman: what happened |
| 23:42.59 | slugbug | in\exhale: actually, I'm probably wrong |
| 23:43.04 | smithman | my connection crashe |
| 23:43.05 | smithman | d |
| 23:43.07 | dippo | abrotman: to /var/lib/apache/fastcgi, which is owned by www-data |
| 23:43.09 | abrotman | smithman: all of it ? |
| 23:43.21 | abrotman | dippo: so change the owner ? |
| 23:43.24 | abrotman | hell if i know |
| 23:43.27 | dippo | but that error seems to think it's nobody for some reason |
| 23:43.27 | smithman | i don't really know how to tell |
| 23:43.31 | jim | cgi is yesterday's petunias :P |
| 23:43.31 | dippo | or that it needs to be rather |
| 23:43.33 | abrotman | !smack perl |
| 23:43.37 | dippo | apache definitely runs as www-data, there's no doubt about that |
| 23:43.44 | dippo | i'm running a pretty standard debian install here |
| 23:43.48 | abrotman | smithman: did any other web things work .. like irc or browser ? |
| 23:43.53 | smithman | when i ran pppoe on my system gnutella worked fine |
| 23:43.56 | in\exhale | so is there a way to change the fonts at firefox? it's too tiny |
| 23:43.58 | smithman | no |
| 23:44.06 | in\exhale | rest gtk2 apps have normal fonts |
| 23:44.07 | smithman | i could have told you that before |
| 23:44.09 | abrotman | in\exhale: gtkfontsel ? |
| 23:44.14 | abrotman | smithman: i asked you that :) |
| 23:44.18 | smithman | oh sorry |
| 23:44.30 | abrotman | smithman: what kind of NIC is it ? |
| 23:44.35 | jim | so you coulda and you shoulda... too bad you didn't woulda! |
| 23:44.40 | smithman | i dunno |
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| 23:44.53 | smithman | but when i use to use pppoe and ipconfig it worked |
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| 23:45.02 | smithman | but now using dhcp it doesn't |
| 23:45.04 | jim | what's ipconfig? |
| 23:45.09 | smithman | ifconfig |
| 23:45.10 | smithman | i mean |
| 23:45.11 | dippo | i have a feeling it might just be a bug with the libapache-mod-fastcgi package |
| 23:45.14 | bluefox83 | would snort in any way inhibit file sending on any port? |
| 23:45.18 | dippo | like maybe it was just compiled expecting nobody rather than www-data |
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| 23:45.22 | abrotman | smithman: so it didn't come down ? |
| 23:45.23 | in\exhale | abrotman, gtkfontsel and then what? |
| 23:45.32 | smithman | my network crashed yes |
| 23:45.36 | abrotman | in\exhale: pick one ? |
| 23:45.42 | in\exhale | abrotman, gtkfontsel is to get the actual name |
| 23:45.46 | abrotman | smithman: do you have more than one box ? |
| 23:45.47 | jim | dippo: if it has config files you might check out their content |
| 23:45.49 | smithman | what happened was i had to reinstall debian because i had a lot of broken pipes |
| 23:45.53 | smithman | and wanted to go to stable |
| 23:45.55 | in\exhale | abrotman, not picking fonts |
| 23:45.56 | smithman | no |
| 23:46.03 | abrotman | in\exhale: oh .. hrm .. you could try asking on irc.mozilla.org or irc.gnome.org ? |
| 23:46.04 | smithman | i have my roommates with a win machine |
| 23:46.19 | abrotman | smithman: and thiers doesn't die ? |
| 23:46.25 | in\exhale | abrotman, hmm ok. thx anyway |
| 23:46.26 | smithman | i haven't tried |
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| 23:47.11 | smithman | i don't know |
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| 23:47.32 | smithman | whenever i use bittorent or gnutella the connection crashes |
| 23:47.39 | smithman | using dhcp and i wanted to find out why |
| 23:47.48 | smithman | but i gues i have to set up a pppoe connection |
| 23:47.57 | abrotman | smithman: this is entirely odd |
| 23:48.00 | smithman | because i have no answers here |
| 23:48.03 | irc | anyone here running debian on an ibook? |
| 23:48.07 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 23:48.07 | dpkg | methinks ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 23:48.09 | smithman | but thanks a lot for your help abrotman |
| 23:48.23 | abrotman | smithman: sorry i did'nt know . i still suspect the NIC driver |
| 23:48.41 | smithman | but see the thing is is that the NIC driver worked before |
| 23:48.41 | irc | thx |
| 23:48.44 | smithman | when i was using pppoe |
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| 23:49.05 | smithman | and configured eth0 to 10.0.0. |
| 23:49.06 | smithman | 1 |
| 23:49.17 | smithman | but now i use dhcp and it doesn't work |
| 23:49.24 | abrotman | more and more odd |
| 23:49.29 | abrotman | what about static ? |
| 23:49.33 | abrotman | since it's internal IPs |
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| 23:49.34 | smithman | static i dunno |
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| 23:49.47 | smithman | you think i should make my connection static to see? |
| 23:49.56 | bluefox83 | ok, the tcpdump man page is freakin huge.. |
| 23:50.08 | bluefox83 | what the hell am i suppose to make it do? |
| 23:50.20 | bluefox83 | i don't even understand why you guys are telling me to use it |
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| 23:50.32 | abrotman | smithman: narrows it down |
| 23:50.40 | abrotman | bluefox83: read it ? |
| 23:50.46 | abrotman | bluefox83: or go to windows |
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| 23:51.12 | grendal_prime | ok...courier mta is giving me fits |
| 23:51.18 | mdh | bluefox83: you wanted to sniff network packets. tcpdump is the tool to use. |
| 23:51.20 | grendal_prime | i cant seem to get it to work with fetchmail |
| 23:51.39 | witless | hi. i'm trying to install grub so it boots off the second of two 3ware ata-raid controllers. i booted into a livecd, chroot to the hard disk, and run grub-install /dev/sdb. it says "/dev/sda6 does not have any corresponding bios drive." can anyone help? |
| 23:51.46 | abrotman | #grub ? |
| 23:52.02 | bluefox83 | mdh, why do i want to sniff network packets!?!?!? i'm trying to find out why port 2050 is blocked not see if someone si trying to break in! |
| 23:52.12 | bluefox83 | *is |
| 23:52.44 | bluefox83 | !tcpdump |
| 23:52.44 | dpkg | tcpdump is probably a program that lets you spy on network traffic. Also known as the bane of privacy invading software companies |
| 23:53.33 | doleyb | I have some "DVD+R" labelled as holding 4.7GB. Can growisofs put more than 4.4 gig on them? |
| 23:53.36 | mdh | bluefox83: if your dcc is failing, and you're behind a linux masq firewall, you might need to load an iptables kernel mod |
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| 23:53.55 | bluefox83 | mdh, i'm not using a firewall!!! |
| 23:54.00 | mdh | bluefox83: dcc functions similar to ftp in this regard - connections come in from outside |
| 23:54.19 | grendal_prime | bluefox83, ettercap...wicked |
| 23:54.23 | bluefox83 | although i am using masquarading..why..i have no idea.. |
| 23:54.26 | Azar | bluefox83 me either.... that why I had to take the Debian offline |
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| 23:54.44 | grendal_prime | contrac |
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| 23:54.52 | mdh | bluefox83: if you are "using masquerading" you have a firewall. |
| 23:54.59 | grendal_prime | i thought contract handled dcc connections |
| 23:55.01 | Azar | put Debian in the garage until I learn how to protect it |
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| 23:55.02 | Eddie | could someone please link me to an install iso for woody / potato please as im having trouble finding one, a network install one would be preferable |
| 23:55.12 | relb1 | is there a way to find out which installed packages are taking up the most space? |
| 23:55.16 | bluefox83 | mdh, then i need to figure out how to turn the f-ing thing off don't i? |
| 23:55.20 | jacko24546312 | abrotman |
| 23:55.22 | mdh | Eddie: archive.debian.org |
| 23:55.23 | petemc | Eddie: google for debian dell, its a 5 meg woody iso |
| 23:55.25 | abyss | lo gota problem with gettin powernowd to work |
| 23:55.25 | quitte | Eddie: why do you want potato/woody? |
| 23:55.28 | jacko24546312 | so now i have enabled the static ip |
| 23:55.38 | Eddie | quitte, v old computer with 16 meg ram |
| 23:55.47 | abyss | !powernowd |
| 23:55.47 | ryan_ | anyone know how to get oracle 9i's SDK installed on Debian sarge? |
| 23:55.47 | abrotman | jacko24546312: you realize jacko24 still hasn't timed out ? |
| 23:55.52 | mdh | !ds |
| 23:55.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, ds is a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds |
| 23:55.54 | Eddie | mdh, pings out for me :( and i cant find the iso files at any of the mirrors |
| 23:55.54 | grendal_prime | courier..anyone? |
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| 23:55.59 | abrotman | #courier ? |
| 23:56.01 | quitte | Eddie: wouldn't make me use it. |
| 23:56.08 | abrotman | grendal_prime: have you tried postfix ? |
| 23:56.09 | jacko24546312 | abrotman yeah i dunno why that is |
| 23:56.17 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:56.22 | abrotman | jacko24546312: so try .. see what happens |
| 23:56.22 | Eddie | quitte, the latest debian needs 24 meg ram, installation hangs for me |
| 23:56.23 | mdh | Eddie: isos are generally only kept for current releases :( |
| 23:56.27 | jacko24546312 | so here goes the test |
| 23:56.31 | jacko24546312 | see you when i come back |
| 23:56.44 | mdh | Eddie: I might have one here... let me check |
| 23:56.44 | Eddie | mdh, so how do i get a bootable install disc of a current release? :( |
| 23:56.50 | ryan_ | Eddie, I have one |
| 23:56.52 | petemc | Eddie: are you ignoring me? |
| 23:56.55 | quitte | Eddie: hmm. isn't it possible to activate swap early in installation? |
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| 23:57.04 | mdh | Eddie: all sarges install mediums are bootable |
| 23:57.13 | jacko24546312 | what difference will a static ip make? |
| 23:57.19 | abrotman | !phillysmite Wyzard |
| 23:57.24 | Wyzard | lol |
| 23:57.27 | abrotman | !phillysmite Wyzard |
| 23:57.31 | abrotman | gah |
| 23:57.37 | abrotman | jacko24546312: just to narrow it down ... |
| 23:57.52 | Eddie | ryan_, could you link me to it? |
| 23:57.59 | petemc | heh |
| 23:58.00 | mdh | bluefox83: if you turn masquerading off, you might not be able to get out to the internet. what is your network setup? |
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| 23:58.05 | jcurry | My dialup connection is weird. I cannot send mail attachments above ~5k, or upload ftp files above 5k...what could be wrong? running kernel 2.6.12, with a firehol-generated firewall....although, turning the firewall off has no effect. *any* advice appreciated |
| 23:58.09 | ryan_ | Eddie, it's on my computer |
| 23:58.10 | jacko24546312 | could it be that it is impossible for some reason to use with dhcp? |
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| 23:58.22 | Eddie | petemc, nope not ignoring you man just making sure i know all my options cos chances are ill need the last one available, i have no luck lol |
| 23:58.26 | abrotman | jacko24546312: which type of NIC is it ? |
| 23:58.26 | bluefox83 | mdh, my ethernet card is connected directly to my cable modem, why? |
| 23:58.28 | Wyzard | jcurry: MTU problem maybe... just a guess, though |
| 23:58.30 | Eddie | ryan_, what ports should i forward for DCC :) |
| 23:58.33 | jacko24546312 | i dunno |
| 23:58.35 | petemc | Eddie: what nic do you have? |
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| 23:58.37 | abrotman | jacko24546312: lspci |
| 23:58.42 | abyss | http://nopaste.php-q.net/145619 <- the problem |
| 23:58.46 | abrotman | how many pete* do we need .. jeez |
| 23:58.50 | Eddie | pete, its a 3com, let me check the exact name |
| 23:58.53 | abrotman | not to mention pseubodot |
| 23:58.56 | mdh | bluefox83: okay. your cable modem might be doing NAT |
| 23:58.59 | ryan_ | Eddie, um, lemem try this.... |
| 23:59.04 | Wyzard | jcurry: I haven't used dialup in years though, so I don't know anything about how PPP connections get their MTU settings |
| 23:59.06 | abyss | what modules i need for powernowd |
| 23:59.09 | mdh | bluefox83: if your isp only gives you one ip |
| 23:59.16 | jacko24546312 | 0000:02:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
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| 23:59.22 | mdh | bluefox83: that would prevent dcc from working for you |
| 23:59.24 | abrotman | ew |
| 23:59.31 | jcurry | Wyzard, how would i go about changing it? |
| 23:59.42 | jcurry | Wyzard, and what does it do? |
| 23:59.47 | bluefox83 | mdh, concidering i've had this same modem for 3 years and this is the very first time i have ever had problems receiving files on port 2050..i'd say it's not very likely that my modem be running NAT |
