| 00:00.00 | abrotman | unless your ISP started blocking it |
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| 00:00.28 | bluefox83 | mdh, dcc works on other ports, just not that one..unfortunately automated scripts don't know how to change ports while trying to send a file |
| 00:00.36 | mdh | bluefox83: it has to be if your isp only gives you one ip or anything behind it simply doesn't get internet connectivity |
| 00:00.45 | Wyzard | jcurry: MTU (Maximum Transmission Unit) is the largest packet size that your network connection will generate... if there's more data to send than will fit in one packet, it gets put into multiple packets that are sent in sequence |
| 00:01.00 | maher | bluefox83: probably your isp is blocking it - mind if i nmap you? |
| 00:01.01 | abrotman | shit .. duh .. food .. 8pm |
| 00:01.06 | petemc | bluefox83: a cable modem is like a bridge, its not doing nat |
| 00:01.07 | mdh | bluefox83: have you run "netstat -l" - there could be something listing on that port... |
| 00:01.08 | Wyzard | jcurry: If your MTU is set too high, you could be sending packets bigger than the other end is willing to accept, so the too-big packets get basically ignored |
| 00:01.11 | bluefox83 | maher, go for it.. |
| 00:01.14 | ryan_ | Eddie, Behold the power of ip_nat_irc |
| 00:01.28 | grendal_prime | fetchmail: SMTP listener doesn't like recipient address `shawng@localhost' |
| 00:01.35 | Eddie | ryan_, no idea what that is, but youre a genius |
| 00:01.39 | grendal_prime | besides the obvious what does that mean? |
| 00:01.58 | jcurry | Wyzard, sounds like that could be it...i looked at ethereal logs, and it seems my packets were just ignored, and i was just resending them |
| 00:02.01 | Wyzard | jcurry: You can configure it with ifconfig, but that's only effective for the duration of the current connection... to make it permanent you'd have to change something in your PPP settings, I guess, but I have no idea about that part |
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| 00:02.12 | ixmafed | http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314458 |
| 00:02.12 | bluefox83 | mdh, i've done it many times, and again just now..nothing is listening on 2050 |
| 00:02.24 | ryan_ | Eddie, the NAT layer in linux dynamicly taks care of forwarding DCC connections if you load the module. |
| 00:02.25 | jcurry | Wyzard, i'll research it more...big thanks! |
| 00:02.35 | Wyzard | jcurry: Try setting your MTU to something smaller using ifconfig, and see if it helps |
| 00:02.43 | petemc | ryan_: im not sure thats relevant |
| 00:02.51 | Eddie | ryan_, how does it know which ports my router would let in, does it do some kind of quick scan? |
| 00:03.09 | ryan_ | Eddie: sender acts as the server for DCC |
| 00:03.18 | maher | bluefox83: you are running unnecessary services, but 2050 does not seem to be filtered by the isp |
| 00:03.18 | jcurry | Wyzard, i'll try that |
| 00:03.21 | Eddie | ryan_, ah |
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| 00:03.39 | bluefox83 | maher, like what? and how do i turn them off? |
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| 00:03.53 | maher | bluefox83: are you in #flood |
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| 00:03.58 | Eddie | not sure if my network card is supported, as the slackware bare bones net installer couldnt recognise it |
| 00:03.59 | ryan_ | Eddie, are you on dialup? |
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| 00:04.06 | bluefox83 | maher, i am now |
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| 00:04.07 | Eddie | ryan_, efh broadband, which is almost as bad |
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| 00:04.15 | ryan_ | efh? |
| 00:04.16 | Eddie | ryan_, my isp are having capacity problems |
| 00:04.22 | ryan_ | ick |
| 00:04.22 | Eddie | eurofasthost, very crappy isp lol |
| 00:04.31 | petemc | Eddie: i get it, you dont actually want to install, you want to chat about it |
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| 00:04.37 | Eddie | if i was getting 30k on dialup id love it |
| 00:04.44 | ryan_ | my isp (Comcast) had some problems this fall with rollout |
| 00:04.53 | jcurry | Wyzard, i can't figure out how to see my current mtu? |
| 00:04.57 | Eddie | petemc, i want to try installing it, and if my network card doesnt work, given its a server im installing, ill know to abandon the idea |
| 00:05.01 | ryan_ | they based demand on summer usage, and planned for that. |
| 00:05.11 | Eddie | petemc, or change the network card lol |
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| 00:05.34 | ryan_ | Half of my city's population is college students.... not many of them around during the summer. |
| 00:05.34 | Wyzard | jcurry: "ifconfig ppp0" should show it to you... it does for Ethernet interfaces, but I don't have any PPP interfaces to check with |
| 00:05.48 | ryan_ | works fine now |
| 00:06.00 | Shorty` | jcurry, ifconfig will show you. |
| 00:06.00 | Eddie | my isp just plain suck |
| 00:06.04 | Eddie | 10 meg pipe |
| 00:06.07 | Shorty` | move then? |
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| 00:06.12 | jcurry | Wyzard, aha, see it...missed it earlier...it is 1500, what should i change it too? is 500 good? |
| 00:06.22 | jcurry | Shorty`, ok, thanks...i missed it earlier :) |
| 00:06.25 | Shorty` | jcurry, why're you changing it? |
| 00:06.31 | ryan_ | 6MB/768k. Pity i have to move in a month and switch to 3M/256k |
| 00:06.34 | jacko242 | abrotman i go crashed again |
| 00:06.34 | mdh | Eddie: set up a competing business with a fatter pipe then |
| 00:06.42 | jacko242 | so i figure if i setup a pppoe maybe it will work |
| 00:06.42 | jcurry | Shorty`, i can't upload stuff over about 5kB, it seems |
| 00:06.47 | nyterukh | how come when i type ifconfig it says command no found |
| 00:06.51 | jacko242 | thanks a lot for the help |
| 00:06.53 | jacko242 | :) |
| 00:06.57 | Shorty` | try 1400 as a minimum |
| 00:07.01 | ryan_ | Eddie, the whole ISP as one 10MB pipe to the internet? |
| 00:07.09 | Wyzard | jcurry: For testing purposes, sure, try 500, or maybe 1000 |
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| 00:07.09 | abrotman | jacko242: i've never seen p2p crash it like that .. is that the only thing that does it ? |
| 00:07.25 | Wyzard | jcurry: Even 1400 should be OK (I'd be surprised if it needed to be smaller than that), but this is just testing, not permanent configuration |
| 00:07.31 | petemc | Eddie: 3com are well supported, im not sure the slackware installer is a good basis for you to decide what the debian install can do |
| 00:07.33 | Eddie | there are two pipes, but every single user who has signed up this year is on a 10 meg British Telecom pipe |
| 00:07.33 | maher | jacko242: when you say crash, what exactly happens? |
| 00:07.57 | abrotman | maher: looks like the stack is crashing .. or the driver bailing .. no tcp stuff works |
| 00:07.59 | Eddie | petemc, im optimistic about debian, ive always found it enjoyable and decent to use |
| 00:08.04 | Wyzard | jcurry: The smaller you set it, though, the more packets you'll need to send for a given amount of data, which means more overhead in packet headers |
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| 00:08.13 | abrotman | maher: but only with static or dhcp .. pppoe works fine |
| 00:08.17 | abrotman | mtu ? |
| 00:08.18 | ryan_ | anyone know how to get oracle 91 to install on debian (i just need the client) |
| 00:08.29 | jacko242 | the connection is lost to verizon |
| 00:08.30 | bluefox83 | maher, could you try to connect to port 2050 somehow and see if you can tell WHY i can't seem to get anything to connect there? |
| 00:08.37 | jacko242 | and i have to reconnect through my router |
| 00:08.58 | abyss | sidis testing? |
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| 00:09.13 | maher | bluefox83: i get connection refused - is something listening on 2050? |
| 00:09.23 | abyss | SID is testing? |
| 00:09.25 | bluefox83 | maher, not that i can tell |
| 00:09.36 | bluefox83 | maher, i've tried everything i can think of |
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| 00:09.42 | Eddie | xchat died lol |
| 00:09.47 | Azar | abyss, stable is SArge, testing is etch, unstable is sid |
| 00:09.47 | Eddie | clears away a lot of tabs anyhow |
| 00:09.48 | maher | bluefox83: well - i can't connect if there's nothing listening... |
| 00:09.52 | petemc | ryan_: follow the instructions for getting the oracle installer running, choose to install just client software |
| 00:10.04 | bluefox83 | you want me to start netcat? |
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| 00:10.24 | maher | bluefox83: run netcat -l hostname 2050 |
| 00:10.28 | abrotman | bluefox83: duh :) |
| 00:10.30 | mdh | should "lsof -i :port" be listing what processes are listening on that port? |
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| 00:10.38 | bluefox83 | ok, done |
| 00:10.42 | jacko242 | abrotman what is the file i should backup before trying to configure a pppoe connection just in case i wan to go back to pure dhcp? |
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| 00:10.51 | bsims | anyone having problems with firefox after latest batch of updates on Sid? |
| 00:10.59 | maher | bluefox83: is it running? |
| 00:11.02 | abrotman | jacko242: /etc/networking/interfaces i think .... i've never done pppoe |
| 00:11.09 | jacko242 | thanks |
| 00:11.14 | bluefox83 | invalid connection to [69.22.114.247] from (UNKNOWN) [131.215.108.46] 40403 <--that crashed netcat |
| 00:11.16 | mdh | because I appear to a have a port open, which I can connect to, yet lsof gives me nothing |
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| 00:11.39 | bluefox83 | maher, try again |
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| 00:11.52 | bluefox83 | did it again |
| 00:11.55 | coywolf | how to get the argument count in shell script? |
| 00:11.56 | jcurry | Wyzard, works now |
| 00:11.56 | bluefox83 | crashed netcat |
| 00:12.04 | Azar | 2050 is used by Avaya EMB Config Port and Blazix java webserver |
| 00:12.09 | jcurry | Wyzard, thanks so much! i can now send email attachments :) |
| 00:12.11 | Wyzard | jcurry: Cool... so apparently it is indeed an MTU problem |
| 00:12.17 | jcurry | Wyzard, you are the man! |
| 00:12.32 | jcurry | now i just have to figure out how to set it permanently :) |
| 00:12.32 | maher | bluefox83: netcat crashed? what exactly did it do? |
| 00:12.33 | intero | is there a way to have, in "ls | grep", grep getting the input from ls without buffer, i.e. when ls output is ready it's sent directly? |
| 00:12.39 | Wyzard | jcurry: Nah, you still have to figure out how to make that part of your permanent configuration for your dialup, so it won't go back to 1500 next time you connect :-) |
| 00:12.46 | Wyzard | jcurry: and I can't help you with that part, because I don't know |
| 00:12.57 | bluefox83 | spit out that line i showed you and then died |
| 00:12.59 | jcurry | I'll google it, shouldn't be too hard |
| 00:13.04 | lestest | hi there ... I'm reading http://langfeldt.net/DNS-HOWTO/BIND-9/DNS-HOWTO-5.html where do I put the SOA record relative to my slave? server ? |
| 00:13.10 | Azar | Wyzard the mtu is not automatically assigned by the ISP? |
| 00:13.12 | jcurry | Wyzard, it's probab;y covered in the ppp howto |
| 00:13.17 | abrotman | coywolf: it says in the man page |
| 00:13.18 | bluefox83 | invalid connection to [69.22.114.247] from (UNKNOWN) [131.215.108.46] 40405 |
| 00:13.21 | jcurry | Wyzard, thanks so much! |
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| 00:14.00 | abrotman | not an option to interfaces for mtu ? |
| 00:14.11 | Wyzard | Azar: No idea... I haven't used dial-up in Linux in about 8 years |
| 00:14.13 | streuner | abrotman: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5401342712 |
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| 00:14.39 | abrotman | streuner: why are you wearing a thong ? |
| 00:14.54 | bluefox83 | maher, any ideas? |
| 00:14.57 | streuner | abrotman: hehe :-) |
| 00:15.00 | Azar | I do not recall having to configure the mtu at installation, but I do know that my ISP assigns the mtu levels |
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| 00:15.35 | streuner | abrotman: look at the counter... |
| 00:15.49 | abrotman | streuner: i noticed .. you shold stop hitting reload :) |
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| 00:16.47 | jcurry | Wyzard, i can change it in /etc/ppp/options |
| 00:17.17 | jcurry | Wyzard, again, thanks for the help...i have had this prob for several months now, and it drove me crazy |
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| 00:17.56 | Wyzard | jcurry: I'm not highly knowledgeable about MTU issues since I've never run into any myself, but I think I've read about cases where the MTU has to be set to something just a few bytes smaller than the standard 1500... you might be able to set it higher than 1400 if you want to avoid a slight performance loss |
| 00:18.09 | Wyzard | oh well, he left :-) |
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| 00:18.50 | bluefox83 | maher, i have netcat running, it accepts local telnet inputs.. |
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| 00:19.08 | maher | bluefox83: i get the same behaviour |
| 00:19.39 | bluefox83 | maher, still refusing? |
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| 00:20.04 | Azar | jcurry maybe this helps: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-low-ppp |
| 00:20.17 | maher | bluefox83: when i run on localhost things work - on remote connections i get invalid connection |
| 00:20.26 | bluefox83 | oh |
| 00:20.40 | bluefox83 | so..can you receive dcc on port 2050? |
| 00:20.43 | abrotman | jacko242: which kernel are you running ? |
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| 00:21.29 | maher | bluefox83: try netcat -p 2050 |
| 00:21.52 | Azar | -p does not require to specify the protocol? |
| 00:21.55 | zoomnap | My BIOS turns on NUM LOCK automatically but Linux turns it off, both before loading GDM and after logging in with it. How do I change that? |
| 00:21.59 | petemc | Wyzard: ive found it useful to send pings of large packets to test MTU issues, fwiw |
| 00:22.12 | Wyzard | petemc: That's a good idea |
| 00:22.13 | bluefox83 | maher "no destination" |
| 00:22.18 | Wyzard | petemc: Too bad jcurry left :-) |
| 00:22.19 | maher | bluefox83: i mean try netcat -l -p 2050 |
| 00:22.38 | bluefox83 | k |
| 00:22.41 | bluefox83 | go for it |
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| 00:22.44 | staniel | zoomnap: numlockx |
| 00:22.51 | bluefox83 | that works |
| 00:22.52 | bluefox83 | :) |
| 00:22.56 | Azar | eh at least I am gonna feast on that tutorial myself Wyzard :) |
| 00:23.10 | bluefox83 | what the hell are you typing in dude? |
| 00:23.29 | maher | bluefox83: i stopped - is stuff still coming in? |
| 00:23.35 | bluefox83 | no |
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| 00:23.45 | bluefox83 | i got this after you quit |
| 00:23.51 | maher | bluefox83: anyway - port 2050 is working just fine for you |
| 00:23.58 | bluefox83 | debian:/etc# |
| 00:24.19 | bluefox83 | which i think it just forgot to start another line |
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| 00:24.45 | FieldySnuts | ~localesmite bluefox83 |
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| 00:24.49 | Wyzard | bluefox83: That looked like a bunch of garbage characters followed by a root prompt, but I saw no such thing in my IRC window until you typed it just now |
| 00:24.54 | FieldySnuts | yeah i got the same thing |
| 00:24.56 | maher | bluefox83: umm... dunno if that was from me... |
| 00:25.03 | Eddie | ryan_, im not seeing a network based install on the disk |
| 00:25.12 | Eddie | ryan_, do i have to set a few things up manually? |
| 00:26.04 | maher | bluefox83: you were running netcat as root? |
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| 00:27.08 | bluefox83 | maher, yeah |
| 00:28.18 | maher | bluefox83: well - don't do that - and port 2050 works fine so something else is wrong |
| 00:28.28 | bluefox83 | it's workin gnow |
| 00:28.33 | bluefox83 | *working now |
| 00:28.45 | bluefox83 | sorry..type too fast and all my letters end up in the wrong place |
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| 00:29.44 | bluefox83 | oh for god sakes.. |
| 00:29.52 | bluefox83 | it only worked because it went to another port.. |
| 00:30.02 | bluefox83 | i wonder if i don't just have a broken port |
| 00:30.24 | abrotman | bluefox83: is your ISP blocking it maybe? |
| 00:30.35 | bluefox83 | ..i don't think so |
| 00:30.39 | bluefox83 | i don't see why it would |
| 00:30.48 | bluefox83 | i mean, maher got in via a telnet |
| 00:30.57 | bluefox83 | i just couldn't get it to work with dcc |
| 00:31.09 | bluefox83 | maybe that's out of the port range for xchat, who knows |
| 00:31.36 | Eddie | 3c905b |
| 00:32.27 | abrotman | bluefox83: maybe you should ask your isp |
| 00:32.59 | bluefox83 | abrotman, if my isp were blocking it, do you think maher would have been able to connect to it via telnet? |
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| 00:33.35 | Azar | bluefox83 why you need that particular port? that port is used by some processes |
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| 00:33.49 | abrotman | bluefox83: i thought you used a different port .. sorry |
| 00:33.53 | FieldySnuts | rather a silly question |
| 00:34.04 | bluefox83 | abrotman, s'ok, you ment well |
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| 00:34.21 | bluefox83 | Azar, i dunno, i had 3 people try to dcc files to me, and they all went to that particular port |
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| 00:34.34 | bluefox83 | and stopped before they got anywhere |
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| 00:34.47 | aieo | what's wrong with this crontab entry ? 30 * * * * root perl /var/some/script.pl >> /var/some/log.txt 2>&1 I get: /bin/sh: root: command not found |
| 00:34.58 | Azar | 2050 is used by Avaya EMB Config Port and Blazix java webserver |
| 00:35.00 | aieo | but root is the user that it's supposed to execute as |
| 00:35.01 | FieldySnuts | just about everything |
| 00:35.02 | magog | hey, i got debian up and running, and all is good except it doesent mount /dev/sda my external, i can find it but its not accessable...how can i fix this? |
| 00:35.24 | abrotman | aieo: that's kind of funny :) |
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| 00:35.36 | Azar | bluefox83 google for those services see what they are |
| 00:35.40 | abrotman | magog: change your fstab |
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| 00:36.00 | aieo | abrotman yes, it'll funnier once it starts working! |
| 00:36.02 | bluefox83 | no thanks..i'm going to bed, have work at 4am :( |
| 00:36.08 | FieldySnuts | referring to /etc/fstab . man fstab, make a COPY of that file before messing with it |
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| 00:36.18 | bluefox83 | thanks for all your help everyone |
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| 00:36.25 | abrotman | magog: man mount and man fstab ... |
| 00:36.37 | abrotman | magog: you have to tell debian to mount it.. and where to mount it to |
| 00:36.37 | magog | k |
| 00:36.53 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you speak from experience? :) |
| 00:37.01 | magog | i have to edit some files or command it to mount |
| 00:37.08 | FieldySnuts | i'm an experienced admin, lots of dumb mistakes |
| 00:37.13 | FieldySnuts | on the path, that is |
| 00:37.48 | nyterukh | mm |
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| 00:38.55 | abrotman | magog: for testing .. you can just read man mount .. but if you want it easily accesible .. read man fstab |
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| 00:39.09 | magog | ah, i see |
| 00:39.10 | magog | ty |
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| 00:40.09 | jacko242 | abrotman |
| 00:40.17 | jacko242 | i just wanted to let you know i got it working |
| 00:40.29 | jacko242 | i had to change my eth0 configuration |
| 00:40.33 | jacko242 | using ifconfig eth0 |
| 00:40.40 | abrotman | jacko242: which kernel ? |
| 00:40.57 | jacko242 | 2.4 |
| 00:41.05 | abrotman | jacko242: you might wnat to try a 2.6 |
| 00:41.13 | jacko242 | and now i am running pppoe |
| 00:41.23 | jacko242 | no i am sticking to debian stable |
| 00:41.31 | jacko242 | nothing more for me thanks |
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| 00:42.07 | Guerin | 2.6 kernels have been in debian stable for at least a month |
| 00:42.13 | jacko242 | have a goodnight thanks for the help i think my connection might finally be a little more stable now |
| 00:42.25 | abrotman | jacko242: 2.6 is in debian stable |
| 00:42.37 | jacko242 | i think it works with pppoe because it puts some sort of mtu or mms clamp on it at 1452 |
| 00:42.55 | abrotman | possibly |
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| 00:43.02 | jacko242 | i was running 2.6 before |
| 00:43.05 | Wyzard | 1452... that's the number I was trying to remember earlier |
| 00:43.07 | jacko242 | i don't see the need to upgrade |
| 00:43.14 | Wyzard | too bad jcurry left |
| 00:43.37 | spoopin | jacko242: you know you can specify mtu in /etc/network/interfaces, right? |
| 00:43.52 | jacko242 | no i didn't know that |
| 00:43.56 | jacko242 | thanks for the info |
| 00:44.14 | spoopin | jacko242: the Hell of crappy DSL will teach you many things :) |
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| 00:44.26 | abrotman | spoopin: you live on verizon too ? |
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| 00:44.52 | jacko242 | spoopin how do you do that what line do you add? |
| 00:44.59 | spoopin | abrotman: no. I used to have Earthlink service (if you can call it that) |
| 00:45.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:45.16 | abrotman | spoopin: /whois jacko242 .. look familiar ? |
| 00:45.17 | spoopin | jacko242: man interfaces. there's a bit in there about it |
| 00:45.24 | bungopolis | I've set up apache2 and awstats, but I'm having trouble figuring out the correct way to enable the cgi bin so I can run the script through apache? |
| 00:45.28 | abrotman | spoopin: the metric ? |
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| 00:45.39 | abrotman | oh .. no .. mtu |
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| 00:46.16 | petemc | bungopolis: huh, awstats runs via cron, on the logs |
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| 00:46.25 | spoopin | abrotman: I don't follow... |
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| 00:46.35 | bungopolis | yeah I know petemc, i want to view reports |
| 00:46.38 | abrotman | spoopin: i thought it was the metric setting . but then i saw the mtu |
| 00:46.43 | petemc | bungopolis: also, be careful with awstsats, it has been actively exploited |
| 00:46.45 | FieldySnuts | make positive you are running the latest awstats, recent versions are vulnerable to a major remote exploit |
| 00:46.45 | rbochan | blah |
| 00:46.55 | bungopolis | usually you'd view it with http://www.domain.com/cgi-bin/awstats |
| 00:47.06 | bungopolis | I'm thinking I should have it generate static html though |
| 00:47.08 | rbochan | my servers logs have been full of that lately |
| 00:47.11 | spoopin | abrotman: Ahh. OK. You seen asg around? |
| 00:47.19 | bungopolis | hehe |
| 00:47.21 | bungopolis | good to know |
| 00:47.29 | FieldySnuts | stew: lame |
| 00:47.32 | abrotman | spoopin: not this evening .. i think he said some new kid at work screwed something up and he had to go in |
| 00:47.35 | rbochan | I don't use it, however |
| 00:47.38 | abrotman | something about .. matt or something |
| 00:47.59 | spoopin | abrotman: haha. NOTHING would get him off the couch at this time of day. |
| 00:48.01 | sparr_ | I have windows installed on hda1. I use grub (in the MBR, i think) to boot linux from hdd2. I can boot windows with the windows install CD in my cdrom drive. I would like to use grub to boot windows. details of my current nonworking menu.lst entry here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/p9kGOV96.html help? |
| 00:48.11 | abrotman | spoopin: free beer |
| 00:48.14 | aieo | any ideas RE: crontab problem? |
| 00:48.14 | rbochan | do the bots have a last seen function? |
| 00:48.20 | Azar | PWSteal.Ldpinch.C trojan horse uses port 2050 |
| 00:48.24 | spoopin | abrotman: maybe not even that. |
| 00:48.30 | stew | rbochan: /mgs dpkg seen rbochan |
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| 00:48.38 | rbochan | stew: thanks! |
| 00:48.40 | spoopin | abrotman: Unless it were brought directly to his house |
| 00:48.44 | Azar | .. if he would only had the patience to google |
| 00:48.48 | abrotman | spoopin: everyone gets up for free beer :) |
| 00:49.02 | challenged | how do i switch to single usermode runlevels? |
| 00:49.07 | spoopin | abrotman: :) |
| 00:49.16 | stew | challenged: init 1 |
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| 00:49.20 | bungopolis | stew -- would you reccomend not using awstats at all? Or generating static HTML is secure enough? |
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| 00:49.33 | challenged | Stew: thx i new it was simple hehe |
| 00:49.38 | stew | bungopolis: i don't recommend exposing the cgi to a public interface |
| 00:49.46 | bungopolis | ok |
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| 00:50.50 | phycho | hey guys.. how do i get the files added to the boot thingy |
| 00:50.52 | phycho | i forget |
| 00:50.57 | FieldySnuts | vague? |
| 00:50.59 | phycho | like the files in /etc/init.d |
| 00:51.03 | rbochan | you add the thing to the thingie |
| 00:51.06 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you don't say |
| 00:51.20 | phycho | how do i get say /etc/init.d/firewall to run at boot |
| 00:51.21 | phycho | :P |
| 00:51.44 | spoopin | phycho: man update-rc.d |
| 00:51.45 | abrotman | phycho: read the README in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 00:51.49 | phycho | k |
| 00:51.52 | Guerin | phycho: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 00:51.58 | Guerin | yup |
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| 00:52.39 | rbochan | there was also an article a while back in linuxgazette about adding an rc.local file to deebian |
| 00:52.45 | Eddie | 3c905b |
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| 00:52.55 | Eddie | ok sorry about that |
| 00:53.02 | phycho | im used to rc.local on slack |
| 00:53.04 | Eddie | needed to store that little phrase somewhere |
| 00:53.09 | Eddie | this was the nearest term |
| 00:53.10 | abrotman | !tell phycho about rc.local |
| 00:53.21 | Eddie | guys youre gonna laugh at me for this but the problem was simple all along |
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| 00:53.30 | rbochan | phycho: http://linuxgazette.com/issue88/lg_tips.html#tips.10 |
| 00:53.30 | Eddie | the network card wasnt pushed all the way in |
| 00:53.30 | reco | hi there i am new to debian, but i know darwin/osx pretty well. do you guys have a nice doku link for me? |
| 00:53.48 | metaperl | reco: you want a documentation link? |
| 00:53.52 | Eddie | now linux has gotten its ip via dhcp and is downloading happy as larry lol |
| 00:53.57 | FieldySnuts | count doku (misspell)? |
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| 00:54.24 | phycho | k |
| 00:54.25 | phycho | ty |
| 00:54.31 | abrotman | reco: what is doku ? |
| 00:54.38 | abrotman | and smack Leimy too |
| 00:54.40 | rbochan | Eddie: be glad you weren't toying with some proprietary (unknown at the time) hardware like I was earlier |
| 00:54.44 | FieldySnuts | dpkg's vague factoid would be appropriate |
| 00:54.50 | abrotman | !vague |
| 00:54.50 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 00:54.59 | FieldySnuts | especially the last part |
| 00:55.10 | abrotman | reco: what's a doku ? |
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| 00:55.34 | Eddie | rbochan, id give up lol |
| 00:55.39 | rbochan | I did =/ |
| 00:55.47 | rbochan | ^$&#^*%$^&*#%$&*# oem crap |
| 00:56.07 | dystopian | which oem? |
| 00:56.07 | reco | metaperl: yes i just got my debian server with webmin/virtual min. i'm gonna put apache, zope, squid on the server, nothing else. i just want to be sure to do the right thing form the start on the keep the box clean, secure and running ;) |
| 00:56.17 | FieldySnuts | WHAT IS a doku... |
| 00:56.18 | rbochan | it was a usr modem made for gateway |
| 00:56.22 | claudio_ | abrotman: in that context, a star wars character |
| 00:56.29 | dystopian | poor thing. |
| 00:56.30 | abrotman | from darwin/osx ? |
| 00:56.31 | FieldySnuts | yeah screw it, i give up, i'm going with what claudio_ says |
| 00:56.34 | stew | domokun? |
| 00:56.35 | Eddie | im a strange fellow, i find something special and cool about a 8 year old PC with a v basic os install interfacing with a brand new router over a connection that wasnt available at the time the computer was made, somewhat cool |
| 00:56.40 | rbochan | supposedly a 5610 chipset, but wouldn't communicate properly, not even in winxp |
| 00:56.54 | claudio_ | FieldySnuts: but it is spelled dooku |
| 00:56.59 | FieldySnuts | close enough |
| 00:57.00 | reco | abrotman: www.apple.com the os under the gui is darwin |
| 00:57.00 | rbochan | showed up as ttyS14 in dmesg under sarge |
| 00:57.07 | stew | webmin and secure in the same sentence! |
| 00:57.10 | FieldySnuts | ~lart reco for not making sense |
| 00:57.12 | abrotman | reco: i know what darwin is |
| 00:57.12 | FieldySnuts | stew: heh no |
| 00:57.24 | abrotman | that doesn't answer what doku is |
| 00:57.28 | metaperl | reco: unless you need the latest zope/squid/apache, do apt-cache search squid |
| 00:57.29 | reco | stew: is this my first mistake? |
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| 00:57.32 | stew | adjacent sentences |
| 00:57.33 | metaperl | apt-cache search zope |
| 00:57.37 | stew | !webmin |
| 00:57.38 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 00:57.51 | abrotman | i wish we could add more insults to that factoid :) |
| 00:58.04 | stew | dpkg webmin is also yer mum |
| 00:58.04 | dpkg | stew: that's too long |
| 00:58.10 | claudio_ | abrotman: also poison in japanese (or something like that) |
| 00:58.21 | abrotman | !dict doku |
| 00:58.23 | dpkg | could not find definition for doku |
| 00:58.31 | Eddie | how about "as useful as a chocolate kettle and about as welcome as a horny dog at a miss lovelylegs competition" |
| 00:58.47 | dystopian | THat's funny |
| 00:58.47 | Hiruko | Hey I have a laptop running debian but the max resolution I can choose from is 800x600 |
| 00:58.52 | stew | !webmin is kinda like my privates |
| 00:58.52 | dpkg | ...but webmin is already something else... |
| 00:58.58 | reco | dpkg: shit so is there somthing better than webmin? |
| 00:58.59 | dpkg | reco: okay |
| 00:59.02 | PeTeRB | !drxx Hiruko |
| 00:59.03 | dpkg | Hiruko: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 00:59.12 | abrotman | !forget shit is |
| 00:59.12 | dpkg | abrotman: i didn't have anything called 'shit is' to forget |
| 00:59.13 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: forget shit so |
| 00:59.13 | dpkg | i forgot shit so, FieldySnuts |
| 00:59.14 | abrotman | err |
| 00:59.18 | stew | dpkg: forget shit so |
| 00:59.22 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: he listened!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:59.26 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 00:59.27 | claudio_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Dooku |
| 00:59.32 | initech | stew: bloated and promiscuous? |
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| 00:59.38 | Eddie | dpkg my reproductive organ |
| 00:59.39 | FieldySnuts | shh don't make noise about it |
| 00:59.41 | abrotman | initech: your mom? |
| 00:59.45 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 00:59.46 | FieldySnuts | damn. |
| 00:59.51 | stew | i goofed, she was going to tell me too long again |
| 00:59.54 | Eddie | dpkg, my reproductive organ |
| 00:59.54 | initech | claudio_: i thought it was count doofus |
| 00:59.54 | Eddie | lol |
| 00:59.58 | FieldySnuts | oh my |
| 01:00.05 | Eddie | count doofus? |
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| 01:00.18 | Eddie | dpkg: manpages |
| 01:00.18 | Hiruko | Sorry, new to linux. How do I change the user to root in the terminal? |
| 01:00.21 | Lusid | Anyone know what would cause a segmentation fault when I type the "ls" command? Or try to list directories in any way (except midnight commander... it seems to work)? |
| 01:00.31 | devazion | Hiruko, su |
| 01:00.32 | Eddie | Hiruko, su root |
| 01:00.40 | initech | Lusid: a completely fucked system? |
| 01:00.46 | Lusid | Yeah, that's what I figured. |
| 01:00.47 | reco | Hiruko: su - |
| 01:00.48 | claudio_ | initech: heh |
| 01:00.50 | Lusid | It was rooted, unfortunately. |
| 01:00.55 | Lusid | For about 15 minutes. lol |
| 01:00.59 | Eddie | su popebenedict |
| 01:01.00 | FieldySnuts | then why are you still running it? |
| 01:01.03 | Lusid | Amazing what a punk can do in 15 minutes. |
| 01:01.08 | daedalus_ | Lusid: Nothink is rooted for X amount of time |
| 01:01.17 | Lusid | I have logs. |
| 01:01.19 | Eddie | once its rooted its rooted |
| 01:01.20 | FieldySnuts | once you are rooted, that install is permanently rooted. you can never trust it again. |
| 01:01.26 | Lusid | Yeah, I know. |
| 01:01.31 | Lusid | I'm trying to get my damn priceless data off of it. |
| 01:01.37 | FieldySnuts | okay good, just making sure. most don't understand that |
| 01:01.38 | Lusid | But I can't do a damn ls. |
| 01:01.39 | Lusid | lol |
| 01:01.41 | Eddie | backups man lol |
| 01:01.41 | daedalus_ | Lusid: rooted is rooted is rooted. You're SOL. Reinstall fresh |
| 01:01.46 | rbochan | Lusid: grab a livecd |
| 01:01.49 | FieldySnuts | this is why ya back up before being rooted, mkay? |
| 01:01.56 | reco | is there a better tool than webmin/virtualmin? |
| 01:01.56 | FieldySnuts | Lusid: what rbochan said, you'll be fine |
| 01:02.01 | Eddie | ive never been rooted in my life |
| 01:02.07 | rbochan | reco: joe |
| 01:02.08 | FieldySnuts | reco: yes, the command line. also known as being a real administrator. |
| 01:02.08 | Lusid | Hmmm, so Knoppix? |
| 01:02.12 | initech | Lusid: you can probably get some mileage out of reinstalling things, temporarily |
| 01:02.16 | Eddie | I dont do enough on a computer to leave ports open |
| 01:02.20 | Eddie | I use email, irc and www |
| 01:02.21 | FieldySnuts | alternatively, let an actual admin do it |
| 01:02.22 | abrotman | reco: vi! |
| 01:02.28 | rbochan | joe! |
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| 01:02.37 | Azar | FieldySnuts, how do you do a backup in linux Debian? |
| 01:02.46 | reco | hmmm |
| 01:03.01 | Lusid | Someone exploited Apache somehow, or some script running on the box, and installed his crap in /dev/shm, which I had never even heard of or knew existed before yesterday. |
| 01:03.11 | rbochan | awstats |
| 01:03.12 | rbochan | heh |
| 01:03.13 | FieldySnuts | Azar: lots of ways. i use a mess of rsync scripts i made, and back up to local and remote hosts and dvd etc etc, lately i've been goofing with rdiff-backup |
| 01:03.15 | Azar | Eddie, Debian is as rootable as msWin if you do not have a firewall |
| 01:03.16 | daedalus_ | Azar: rsync to a backup drive? |
| 01:03.27 | FieldySnuts | i just tried to swat a bug off my face, and i managed to punch myself in the nose now it's bleeding, that was lame... brb |
| 01:03.35 | rbochan | ha |
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| 01:03.50 | Azar | wow, rsync, some new term I hear |
| 01:03.52 | Eddie | Azar, I had a simple iptables firewall, like I said I didnt use much stuff |
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| 01:04.18 | Eddie | I basically blocked all incoming then let in what i needed to |
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| 01:04.42 | Azar | Eddie then it sound worse than I could imagine |
| 01:04.44 | daedalus_ | lusid: If they're good, they've replaced every critical binary with hacked versions that hide their files, and report passwords and keys back to the hacker |
| 01:04.49 | stew | Lusid: use debsums to figure out whats been compromised and start --reinstalling packages |
| 01:04.59 | Eddie | im loving how linux on this puny p200 has more available HD space than my newest PC |
| 01:05.00 | stew | Lusid: start with ssh procps and net-toos |
| 01:05.04 | FieldySnuts | uh no. reinstall. |
| 01:05.12 | daedalus_ | stew: Bad advice. |
| 01:05.18 | Eddie | backup your stuffs |
| 01:05.20 | Eddie | and reinstall |
| 01:05.21 | rbochan | Lusid: and for cripes sake pull any network cable from the machine |
| 01:05.29 | Eddie | Lusid, bye |
| 01:05.34 | Eddie | ;) |
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| 01:05.36 | FieldySnuts | Lusid: if you know what was exploited, i'd be interested |
| 01:05.47 | bgravato | hi! could anyone please tell me where can i get a list/description of 8139too driver options? thanks. |
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| 01:05.55 | Azar | hmm backup does not sound as easy as click and drag files to the CD drive |
| 01:05.56 | Eddie | Lusid, it also helps to run /exec -o yes killroot in IRC |
| 01:06.07 | Eddie | Lusid, joking, please dont do that |
| 01:06.27 | Azar | I am assuming years of learning scripting and stuff just to do a simple backup |
| 01:06.50 | daedalus_ | Azar: rsync is pretty straightforward |
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| 01:07.04 | rbochan | rsync takes about 15 minutes to set up |
| 01:07.06 | FieldySnuts | no, this is not windows. the short of it, at least one way, is using rsync -aD / /somewhere-else , being sure to --exclude obvious things like /dev /proc /mnt blah blah |
| 01:07.16 | Azar | daedalus_ thanks I will google for that term |
| 01:07.18 | FieldySnuts | um, there's no setting up involved, unless you are using a server |
| 01:07.26 | daedalus_ | rbochan:? I've used it on the fly several times. |
| 01:07.29 | rbochan | right |
| 01:07.38 | rbochan | I use a server here for it myself |
| 01:07.49 | stew | daedalus_: why is reinstalling rooted programs bad advice? |
| 01:07.53 | rbochan | triple redundancy of business files |
| 01:07.54 | FieldySnuts | i do too, though i'm moving slowly to rdiff-backup based stuff |
| 01:07.56 | Eddie | guys if a computer with 16 meg of memory was running debian (very very minimal, no x and very few services) and an IRCD how many incoming connections could it handle before the memory limitations became too much |
| 01:07.59 | Danar | can anyone help me figure out why some apps take ~15 minutes to start? |
| 01:08.08 | daedalus_ | stew: Because you're likely never going to be able to find everything that's rooted |
| 01:08.10 | doleyb | stew: you can't assume debsums wasn't replaced with a hacked version |
| 01:08.10 | FieldySnuts | stew: because you can NEVER be sure, 100% what was exploited and changed. the only way to do that is to reinstall. |
| 01:08.12 | pipeline | Danar: Probably a broken hard drive |
| 01:08.21 | rbochan | Eddie: I have a 486 I used to do that with |
| 01:08.24 | Danar | i've found that firefox, gedit, and k3b take a while to start, though they run fine after that |
| 01:08.31 | FieldySnuts | crackers break in, and experienced ones drop in up to a dozen seperate rootkits which will permit them to get back in |
| 01:08.37 | rbochan | max I ever got was 100 or so, never killed it |
| 01:08.38 | daedalus_ | stew: Things hide in device files, kernel modules, things that look like text files. Scripts. etc |
| 01:08.43 | FieldySnuts | some of them custom, which no tool is going to discover |
| 01:08.45 | Danar | pipeline: if my hard drive was broken i wouldn't be here |
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| 01:08.55 | Eddie | rbochan, on adsl 100 would be all id be wanting :) |
| 01:08.57 | Lusid | FieldySnuts: I honestly couldn't say, but I saved all of the files that he had in the /dev/shm path. |
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| 01:09.02 | rbochan | you should be fine |
| 01:09.04 | Lusid | I intend to look them over. |
| 01:09.12 | Eddie | a few friends and I are starting up an irc network |
| 01:09.17 | rbochan | I used to use Unrealircd, it worked well, wasn't too piggish |
| 01:09.25 | ubuh-huntuh | anyone using partimage? just wondering if it can handle software raid and lvm. |
| 01:09.29 | Eddie | everyones on 512k adsl |
| 01:09.37 | FieldySnuts | heh. running an ircd publicly == hanging a "please DDoS / crack me" sign outside your front door |
| 01:09.39 | Eddie | but with 4 leaves and one hub |
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| 01:10.01 | Eddie | FieldySnuts, the ircds will be running on independent machines with nothing else on them |
| 01:10.05 | initech | ubuh-huntuh: huh? lvm is resizeable by itself |
| 01:10.18 | Hiruko | I have ati graphics on my laptop, if I choose ati it asks for a bunch of stuff i have no clue about oO |
| 01:10.30 | ubuh-huntuh | initech: partimage is for backup...it's not partition magic :-) |
| 01:10.31 | rbochan | Eddie: run a daemon that can run in userspace at most |
| 01:10.39 | Lusid | FieldySnuts: It seems, from what I hear, that you should mount the /dev/shm path with rw,noexec in the fstab... something that has to do with the new kernel. I read about it this morning. |
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| 01:11.05 | FieldySnuts | Lusid: got me. as many partitions as possible should be mounted with such restrictive options such as noexec,nosuid,nodev etc |
| 01:11.05 | initech | ubuh-huntuh: sorry ... well dd is fine, so partimage may be. also lvm does snapshots |
| 01:11.06 | Eddie | FieldySnuts, even if someone gets root all they can do is screw up an irc network that nobody cares about |
| 01:11.08 | Azar | daedalus_, am I misunderstanding or rsync is for transfer files to remote machines? |
| 01:11.27 | FieldySnuts | Azar: rsync is for both local and remote use |
| 01:11.29 | Lusid | Azar: Yes. Synchronizing data remotely. |
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| 01:11.37 | Lusid | Well, it can be used locally. |
| 01:11.39 | Azar | ah thanks |
| 01:11.40 | initech | Azar: syncing across filesystems, remote or local |
| 01:11.44 | Lusid | But I miss the purpose of that. lol ;) |
| 01:11.47 | FieldySnuts | Azar: it can act as a sort of advanced cp , or it can act as a sort of advanced cp with networking abilities |
| 01:11.47 | Hiruko | Is ther an alternate driver that will support 1200x800 resolution? |
| 01:11.57 | Eddie | rbochan, ive set up unreal before, at university I ran an irc server for the accomodation dorms |
| 01:12.03 | reco | ok if ssh is the best. i need to get started with debian. what is the best thing to start with |
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| 01:12.16 | Eddie | rbochan, irc on the net was blocked, but at least we could chat with one another behind the firewall |
| 01:12.33 | Eddie | rbochan, eventually we had about 900 people online |
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| 01:12.46 | Hiruko | any ideas? |
| 01:12.54 | rbochan | a lightweight machine could handle that ok |
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| 01:13.21 | Eddie | rbochan, I just ran it on a laptop I brought with me and never used |
| 01:13.34 | Eddie | rbochan, 1.7ghz pentium m with a gig of ram |
| 01:13.39 | rbochan | I used to run it a 486/20 meg |
| 01:13.39 | litage_ | when i open a new konsole, why is ~/.bash_profile not run by default? |
| 01:13.46 | rbochan | along with apache and an eggdrop |
| 01:13.58 | mdh | litage_: not a login shell |
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| 01:14.43 | Azar | FieldySnuts, by chance , isn't rsync a chance to become a network vulnerability? |
| 01:14.44 | litage_ | mdh: so ~/.bashrc is run for every bash shell of mine, and ~/.bash_profile for every login bash shell of mine? |
| 01:15.16 | mdh | litage_: yes. man bash |
| 01:15.21 | litage_ | thanks mdh |
| 01:15.37 | FieldySnuts | Azar: if you run an rsync server, sure. like any other service you run it carefully. you do NOT need a server to do backups, it's an option. for example, at work I use rsync to back up multiple machines to a single rsync server on the network. in this way, we have a centrallized backup system |
| 01:15.41 | Eddie | Azar, anything that communicates over a network has a chance of becoming a vulnerability, however small |
| 01:15.49 | Azar | FieldySnuts, only because I hate the word "remote" |
| 01:16.09 | FieldySnuts | Azar: if you're doing it on the same machine (copying from location A to location B on the same system), there's no remote at all involved |
| 01:16.23 | FieldySnuts | Azar: and if you are doing it over a network, it can be tunneled over SSH |
| 01:16.51 | Azar | FieldySnuts I see, I only wonder if I can control/restrict rsync so that it would never ever have rights to a connection |
| 01:16.53 | daedalus_ | Azar: If you use ssh, there is no need to set up an rsync server |
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| 01:17.27 | Azar | I have removed ssh, daedalus_ |
| 01:17.36 | litage_ | when i type "/asdf" to search a manpage, it says "Pattern not found" and then quits the manpage. how do i prevent the exiting? |
| 01:18.11 | daedalus_ | Azar: Not a very connected machine then, is it? |
| 01:18.18 | Azar | well , somehow I did it because I was afraid |
| 01:18.19 | claudio_ | litage_: what pager are you using? |
| 01:18.25 | daedalus_ | Azar: You can keep the ssh client around without runnning the sshd server ;) |
| 01:18.36 | Azar | daedalus_ at my stage of noobness, I am kind of afraid of everything |
| 01:18.37 | litage_ | claudio_: ah, it's using more =( |
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| 01:18.56 | litage_ | claudio_: which pkg does less belong to? (usually less is installed by default for me) |
| 01:19.00 | rbochan | Azar: break stuff, you'll get over that soon enough ;) |
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| 01:19.01 | Azar | hence: everything I do not know about is somehow avoided |
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| 01:19.08 | claudio_ | litage_: less, I think |
| 01:19.16 | daedalus_ | Azar: Heh. Blocking all incoming connections with iptables -P INPUT -j DROP is pertty damn safe. |
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| 01:19.33 | Azar | daedalus_ I am working on learning that stuff |
| 01:19.48 | Azar | pretty hard so far.. but with patience and time I might get it |
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| 01:19.56 | bgravato | where can i find a list/description of 8139too driver options? thanks |
| 01:20.03 | daedalus_ | Azar: though that will break other things like websurfing, dhcp, etc. |
| 01:20.07 | Azar | I lost confidence on going online with Debian until I get to learn how to secure it |
| 01:20.26 | litage_ | heh thanks claudio_ |
| 01:20.46 | daedalus_ | Azar: there are many helpful howto's about securing linux. This is not a debian specific issue :) |
| 01:20.50 | Azar | daedalus_ at this moment I am on a plain install, with 2.6.8 kernel, terminal mode and the only connection I use is for updates. |
| 01:21.08 | Azar | I am afraid to install X , desktop or other goodies. |
| 01:21.26 | FieldySnuts | strongly suggest grsecurity patchset, but save that for when you learn how to manually install a kernel. will go a very long way towards smacking down many exploit avenues |
| 01:21.26 | rbochan | Azar: you might have a look here: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 01:21.29 | daedalus_ | Azar: Being afraid is a bad thing. Being cautious is another. |
| 01:21.48 | Azar | daedalus_ I am afraid of dark. :) |
| 01:21.49 | maher | Azar: what os are you using atm? |
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| 01:21.55 | claudio_ | litage_: you're welcome |
| 01:21.56 | Azar | thank you rbochan, looking at it |
| 01:22.09 | FieldySnuts | even the light came from the dark, be not afraid |
| 01:22.12 | rbochan | it's well worth a perusal |
| 01:22.31 | claudio_ | bgravato: modinfo -p 8139too |
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| 01:23.35 | daedalus_ | Azar: iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT; iptables -P INPUT -j DROP should keep all the baddies out while you get comfortable |
| 01:23.41 | abrotman | #iptables |
| 01:23.45 | litage_ | the 1st time a search in a manpage fails, this error is displayed: "/tmp/zman8O8yKo:1690: warning [p 15, 2.3i]: can't break line" any idea why? |
| 01:23.47 | daedalus_ | Sorry |
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| 01:24.19 | bungopolis | I added "auth required pam_wheel.so group=ssh-access" to the top of my /etc/pam.d/ssh -- but users not in the "ssh-access" group are still able to log in via SSH -- what gives? |
| 01:24.20 | Eddie | can someone send me a sample sources.list |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | Eddie: apt-setup |
| 01:24.50 | claudio_ | litage_: doesn't happen here |
| 01:24.53 | Eddie | im trying specifying the sources as ip addresses as the installer cant find the server and i think it may be a dns issue |
| 01:25.05 | litage_ | claudio_: happens to me... |
| 01:25.07 | Eddie | abrotman, cant yet, im finalising the installation |
| 01:25.11 | bungopolis | the same line (but with su-access instead of ssh-access) is working fine in /etc/pam.d/su |
| 01:25.15 | daedalus_ | Azar: Anyway, welcome to debian. Don't be afraid to poke around. The nice thing about the system is that it's pretty hard to permenantly break something. It's easy to misunderstand it. |
| 01:25.18 | error403 | Does anybody know a quick solution to the fact xine does NOT want to play dvd's? (installed from apt-get, using xine-ui) |
| 01:25.23 | abrotman | Eddie: so why do you need one ? |
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| 01:25.31 | abrotman | libdvdread ? |
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| 01:25.35 | abrotman | !find libdvdread |
| 01:25.36 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libdvdread' (2): libdvdread3 ;; libdvdread3-dev. |
| 01:25.49 | Eddie | abec0, because im specifying the sources by hand, replacing the urls with ip addresses to see if my failure to get the package list is a DNS one |
| 01:26.19 | Eddie | sorry that was for abrotman not abec0 |
| 01:26.37 | abrotman | !nslookup ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:26.44 | abrotman | dpkg: ? |
| 01:26.49 | pipeline | error403: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian |
| 01:26.50 | abrotman | dpkg: ping |
| 01:26.50 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:27.13 | Eddie | just need to know the basic syntax of the sources.list file |
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| 01:27.19 | abrotman | Eddie: so your source should work . you just need an IP . not a whole source file |
| 01:27.24 | Eddie | so i can specify im using woody and |
| 01:27.32 | Eddie | yeah i got the ip |
| 01:27.33 | aurax | hello, i'm running tcpdump and i see an infinite loop, how can i fix it ? |
| 01:27.39 | Eddie | but the source file is the only place i can put it |
| 01:27.46 | Eddie | i need to know the syntax of the file so i can put it in |
| 01:28.00 | daedalus_ | aurax: infinite loop? |
| 01:28.03 | Eddie | aurax, kill the loop? ctrl + c |
| 01:28.06 | aurax | nono |
| 01:28.07 | abrotman | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main |
| 01:28.11 | Eddie | thanks man |
| 01:28.13 | aurax | r9704:30:38.734513 IP 11.20.0.1.bootps > 255.255.255.255.bootpc: BOOTP/DHCP, Reply, length: 348 |
| 01:28.19 | aurax | i have no subnet of 11.20.0.1 |
| 01:28.24 | aurax | no 11.* at all |
| 01:28.29 | Eddie | can i use sarge binaries with a woody install or should i specify woody |
| 01:28.40 | abrotman | Eddie: not recommended |
| 01:28.42 | abrotman | !bobbitt |
| 01:28.42 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
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| 01:28.47 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 01:28.47 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable(doesn't apply until sarge is released to stable) |
| 01:28.57 | daedalus_ | haha |
| 01:28.57 | Eddie | lol |
| 01:28.59 | Eddie | she cut it off |
| 01:29.06 | abrotman | !flamethrower =~ s/(doesn't apply until sarge is released to stable)// |
| 01:29.06 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
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| 01:29.58 | aurax | anyone have an idea ? |
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| 01:30.04 | daedalus_ | aurax: are you on an internal LAN? |
| 01:30.13 | chealer | one month ago, sarge was released |
| 01:30.13 | chealer | today, EU software patents were rejected |
| 01:30.22 | aurax | atm im on the gateway |
| 01:30.24 | chealer | what's next, no more sundays next month? |
| 01:30.29 | abrotman | chealer: and tomorrow you get laid ? |
| 01:30.30 | aurax | gateway is debian, workstations are windows |
| 01:30.52 | daedalus_ | aurax: So are you seeing this traffic on the outside net, or the inside net/ |
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| 01:30.54 | bungopolis | is pam_wheel.so just for preventing su access?? Why when I put a pam_wheel.so line in my /etc/pam.d/ssh does it not work? |
| 01:31.22 | abrotman | because you have no wheel group ? |
| 01:31.26 | daedalus_ | chealer: what's wrong with sundays? |
| 01:31.27 | aurax | there is no ip of 11.20.0.1 |
| 01:31.33 | Eddie | yes it seems it was a dns issue |
| 01:31.35 | Eddie | :) |
| 01:31.42 | Eddie | replaced with an ip now all is fine |
| 01:31.46 | aurax | its somewhere dunno, i just run tcpdump to check if everything is okay and i saw it |
| 01:31.49 | aurax | i have no clue how to fix it tho |
| 01:31.57 | aurax | my subnets are 192.168.x.x |
| 01:32.02 | aurax | no 1x.x.x.x |
| 01:32.04 | deepfrze | any idea why kernel-image-2.6.11 is in etch, but the kernel-source isn't ?? |
| 01:32.06 | abrotman | aurax: could be the IP that windows assigns til it gets a real one ? |
| 01:32.06 | chealer | daedalus_: you "should" be here on those days |
| 01:32.11 | aurax | nope |
| 01:32.14 | aurax | dhcpd is running okay. |
| 01:32.17 | daedalus_ | aurax: what's your external address? |
| 01:32.24 | bungopolis | no abrotman, that module is working fine in /etc/pam.d/su -- I want to have similar behavior to prevent users that aren't in a "ssh-access" group from being able to authenticate via ssh |
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| 01:32.31 | aurax | 212.179.9.1230 |
| 01:32.32 | aurax | 91 |
| 01:32.51 | abrotman | bungopolis: just a thought |
| 01:32.53 | Azar | I have to admit, I had reinstalled so far 53 times but I still cannot "see" how the partition scheme works, I would need a very comprehensive partition tutorial, I cannot understand the concept of using partitions |
| 01:32.55 | chealer | !tell deepfrze about why is kernel-source-2.6.11 not in testing |
| 01:33.07 | bungopolis | I've just read that pam_wheel.so is, bizzarely, ONLY for preventing su access. How can I have similar behavior for limiting access to other services? |
| 01:33.25 | chealer | abrotman: is get laid equivalent to having sex |
| 01:33.27 | chealer | ? |
| 01:33.33 | abrotman | bungopolis: ok .. if they aren't ssh users .. what are they ? |
| 01:33.34 | maher | bungopolis: allowusers in sshd_config |
| 01:33.35 | Azar | chealer, yes |
| 01:33.35 | abrotman | chealer: yes |
| 01:33.50 | daedalus_ | aurax: Humm... Well, firstoff, you should try binding your tcpdump to one interface or another to figure out where the traffic is coming from. |
| 01:33.51 | abrotman | see .. maher knows all .. maher is good .. |
| 01:33.53 | abrotman | !beer maher |
| 01:34.01 | chealer | abrotman: ok, that's a plan for 2005-09-06 |
| 01:34.10 | bungopolis | maher, I prefer to use pam to manage my authentication configurations --- is there no way to do this in pam? |
| 01:34.17 | Hiruko | How can I open a file as root? |
| 01:34.17 | abrotman | chealer: you'll hit puberty then ? |
| 01:34.23 | aurax | its when i do tcpdump -u |
| 01:34.31 | Azar | in 3 years since I am trying at Debian there was nobody or no manual to enlighten me about the purpos of multiple partitions and how to handle them |
| 01:34.31 | error403 | haha |
| 01:34.32 | abrotman | bungopolis: ok .. if they aren't ssh users .. what are they ? |
| 01:34.36 | Agrajag- | ok.. after a recentish apt-get upgrade on testing, for some reason im getting sound mixing when i dont want to (apps that used to "take over" the sound device now appear not to, as i hear other sounds, very annoying) |
| 01:34.41 | chealer | abrotman: you have to skip a few steps to be a real man |
| 01:34.43 | Agrajag- | what might've done that, and how can i fix it? |
| 01:34.45 | Hiruko | how do I open a file as root? |
| 01:34.47 | aurax | undecoded nfs handles |
| 01:34.58 | chealer | Hiruko: open in what way? |
| 01:34.59 | deepfrze | chealer: thanks for the info.. |
| 01:35.00 | Hiruko | in kwrite for example |
| 01:35.16 | Hiruko | to edit |
| 01:35.27 | chealer | Hiruko: # kwrite foo |
| 01:35.27 | chealer | but you'll need a connection to an X server |
| 01:35.32 | abrotman | bungopolis: ? |
| 01:35.32 | daedalus_ | aurax: try binding to eth0 |
| 01:35.33 | chealer | !tell Hiruko about sux |
| 01:35.59 | aurax | how do i bind |
| 01:36.11 | maher | Azar: whay about using debian gnu/linux by welsh et al |
| 01:36.19 | bungopolis | yes abrotman? |
| 01:36.24 | Azar | I am allways only using hda, what if I put /var/log in hdc, how will I be able to access and use that directory? |
| 01:36.24 | abrotman | bungopolis: ok .. if they aren't ssh users .. what are they ? |
| 01:36.30 | aurax | ok -ui |
| 01:36.31 | aurax | -i |
| 01:36.33 | abrotman | bungopolis: what kind of access do they have ? |
| 01:36.37 | daedalus_ | aurax: man tcpdump (-i) |
| 01:36.42 | bungopolis | abrotman, imap and smtp |
| 01:36.52 | abrotman | bungopolis: so they don't need a valid shell ? |
| 01:37.04 | maher | bungopolis: http://nesbitt.yi.org:6690/downloads/limited_ssh.txt |
| 01:37.13 | bungopolis | correct, and they already have /bin/false shells |
| 01:37.17 | abrotman | i'm voting for changing thier shell to /bin/false |
| 01:37.21 | abrotman | and they can still ssh in ? |
| 01:37.28 | Agrajag- | well is it just me, or has anyone else experienced this unexplained sound mixing? |
| 01:37.36 | bungopolis | no, I just want an extra security measure |
| 01:37.44 | aurax | daedalus_ it seems like its from eth0 which is the outside net |
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| 01:37.52 | daedalus_ | Azar: if you mount hdc on the mountpoint /var/log, then data written to /var/log will be stored on hdc |
| 01:37.54 | Azar | if this is true: "Any partition where you want to install non-distribution software should be on a separate partition", how would I install a package on a separate partition? apt-get install "packagename" >> hdc ? |
| 01:37.54 | abrotman | bungopolis: unless someone hacks your box and makes /bin/false a valid shell . i don't think it's a problem |
| 01:38.07 | maher | Azar: that is false |
| 01:38.17 | abrotman | bungopolis: or only allow ssh connections from certain IPs ? |
| 01:38.18 | nvz | does anyone know of a decent music player/manager like rhythmbox that will sort my music in a virtual database, but supports tag editing? gstreamer-0.8 in sarge doesnt seem to be able to edit tags yet |
| 01:38.31 | initech | nvz: amarok does |
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| 01:38.34 | Azar | maher, thanks, I cannot imagine how to install a particular package on another partition |
| 01:38.43 | bungopolis | ok thanks, but you're just talking around the question -- it should be possible, in pam, to generically allow authentication only when a user is in a certain group |
| 01:38.55 | bungopolis | for any service, not just su |
| 01:39.23 | daedalus_ | aurax: Well, is it messing with your system? If not, then there's no problem. Not a whole lot you can do about what others (your ISP who manages a bad router) send down that pipe. |
| 01:39.37 | abrotman | bungopolis: i don't know of a way via pam to do that |
| 01:39.43 | abrotman | but pam is a pain in the ass IMO .. |
| 01:39.46 | nvz | initech: eww, I'll take a look I suppose. the dependencies are about as unnatractive as those of rhythmbox :P |
| 01:40.07 | nvz | initech: the description is better by far though |
| 01:40.09 | bungopolis | seems like a really obvious module for pam to have... oh well, thanks abrotman |
| 01:40.23 | litage_ | i just logged out of kde after making many changes to it. when i logged back in, the changes to the kicker didn't persist. how can i ensure that kde saves the changes? |
| 01:40.25 | initech | nvz: amarok even has musicbrainz support, but it seems to randomly choose whether to write an id3v1 or id3v2 tag |
| 01:40.35 | chealer | nvz: it does use KDE, but it does roks |
| 01:40.41 | abrotman | bungopolis: maybe ask ##linux also ? |
| 01:40.45 | initech | nvz: who care's about dependencies? :) |
| 01:40.49 | initech | err, cares |
| 01:40.52 | abrotman | bungopolis: or send an email to the ssh people |
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| 01:41.08 | maher | bungopolis: the link i gave says how to do it by user - i assume there is a similar way to do it by group |
| 01:41.10 | daniel101 | w^ |
| 01:41.31 | bungopolis | thanks maher |
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| 01:41.51 | chealer | nvz: so, gstreamer is/features a player? |
| 01:41.58 | nvz | initech: I do. it depends on kdelibs, and either arts gstreamer or xine to play.. none of which I use. I use sawfish or screen usually and not a whole lot else.. my current music player is cplay depending only on python and ogg/mp3 backends |
| 01:42.03 | debian | what do we call the kind of sickness that regard imaginary thingS as real? |
| 01:42.14 | initech | imo none of those music managers should mess with your files aside from initially using them to create the db |
| 01:42.22 | Azar | I only hope that the Sarge CD would have a firewall enabled after install.... |
| 01:42.22 | aurax | . |
| 01:42.23 | aurax | bah |
| 01:42.30 | Eddie | guys my debian install has the ip address of my router as the nameservers in resolv.conf |
| 01:42.33 | abrotman | debian: there is more than one name |
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| 01:42.39 | daedalus_ | Azar: It's not about installing a particular package on a partition. Think of it this way: If you create a new partition, and mount it on /foo, then all data in /foo/* will be stored on that new parition. |
| 01:42.49 | Eddie | should this be changed to the internet IPs of my isp nameservers? |
| 01:43.04 | debian | abrotman: grateful if you'd give one looks professional. :) |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | delusional ? |
| 01:43.19 | debian | abrotman: this one is good, thanks |
| 01:43.21 | skaarj | Eddie : if you have internet access on your debian, i would say no :) |
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| 01:43.28 | abrotman | debian: try a thesaurus too |
| 01:43.40 | Eddie | skaarj, I have internet access, but domain names dont resolve |
| 01:43.49 | Eddie | skaarj, i can only work via IP addresses |
| 01:43.59 | skaarj | Eddie : so you should add your isp nameservers |
| 01:44.06 | Eddie | k |
| 01:44.12 | daedalus_ | Azar: Generally this is good for expanding extraneous space (/home, music storage dirs, backup areas, etc). You have to plan ahead when you install your system and try to make your /, and /usr partitions big enough that everything you want to install will fit there. |
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| 01:44.17 | nvz | well I have a lot of mp3s and not all of them contain tags. some I made offline and I never use tags anyhow.. but I got too much damn music now and I am in need of a way to sift through it easier.. but I cannot use a program that manages music but cannot edit the tags so its filed properly |
| 01:44.18 | chealer | hey simonrvn |
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| 01:44.24 | debian | abrotman: aye, thanks |
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| 01:44.29 | nvz | I dont want to have to use rhythmbox and gtkpod |
| 01:44.50 | nvz | I also dont want to have to install arts or something either |
| 01:45.00 | Azar | daedalus_ I do remember I created a partition when I installed, why? I do not know, maybe out of curiosity or something, partition which I never accessed/used /dev/hda3 with mountpoint in /var I have no idea what is that for |
| 01:45.01 | nvz | I dont need to be bothered with sound daemons |
| 01:45.17 | initech | nvz: well amarok does use musicbrainz so tagging untagged shit it fairly quick |
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| 01:45.52 | abrotman | !phillysmite Wyzard |
| 01:45.54 | simonrvn | hi chealer |
| 01:46.14 | nvz | initech: I dont know what that is. but is one of them amarok engines functional with just ALSA and no middle man? |
| 01:46.14 | chealer | simonrvn: did you hear about software patents? :) |
| 01:46.30 | Overand | haha |
| 01:46.31 | nvz | Wyzard: it can. gstreamer in Debian stable cannot |
| 01:46.33 | abrotman | ew |
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| 01:46.43 | FieldySnuts | !aussiesmite abrotman |
| 01:46.44 | dpkg | abrotman: godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell |
| 01:46.52 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you're back! |
| 01:46.53 | nvz | Wyzard: gstreamer has to gain the ability to unlock rhytmbox's functionality |
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| 01:47.00 | Wyzard | nvz: I know it's a gstreamer limitation, not a rhythmbox limitation... you're saying gstreamer in unstable has gained that ability? |
| 01:47.24 | initech | nvz: dunno. I use the gstreamer engine |
| 01:47.25 | nvz | Wyzard: I dont know for sure. but I know the text boxes and shit are there, you just cant change the info |
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| 01:47.36 | simonrvn | same problem as yesterday: dialup, box doing the dialing can't get on the net, times out, routing table looks ok, boxen behind it on the LAN have no problem (hence me with this client). anyone got some ideas as to what the probl;em is? TCP seems all fucked, UDP ICMP seem fine. i'm doing clamp-mss-to-pmtu with iptables, no effect |
| 01:47.38 | daedalus_ | Azar: If you do a 'df' you will see the useage of your partitions |
| 01:47.50 | abrotman | !phillysmite Wyzard |
| 01:47.54 | abrotman | use it! |
| 01:48.02 | Wyzard | nvz: The text boxes have always been there... maybe I'll just get around to tagging everything with easytag, and then I won't need rhythmbox to do it :-) |
| 01:48.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: i added a new one |
| 01:48.06 | nvz | initech: does gstreamer output directly to OSS/ALSA or require some sound daemon like esd or artsd to takeover my soundcard? |
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| 01:48.14 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:48.15 | initech | nvz: musicbrainz lets you look up the file info off the internet, much like freedb for cd's. it's about 90% accurate I find |
| 01:48.17 | abrotman | !phillysmite Wyzard |
| 01:48.18 | mdh | simonrvn: is the firewall on that box simply not configured properly? remember local packets go through different chains... |
| 01:48.19 | EdCase | Hi everyone |
| 01:48.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: ha! |
| 01:48.27 | Wyzard | abrotman: How do you add those? |
| 01:48.33 | abrotman | Wyzard: with dpkg-fu :) |
| 01:48.35 | nvz | initech: hmm I dont see how that works for mp3/ogg files |
| 01:48.41 | EdCase | Seems net is working perfectly on this machine! :) |
| 01:48.42 | chealer | how do you start the gstreamer player you're talking about? what's the command? |
| 01:48.49 | initech | nvz: i don't either but it generally does. |
| 01:49.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: dpkg: cmd: phillysmite (.*?) =~ s/foo/bar/ |
| 01:49.15 | abrotman | Wyzard: but you have to be careful not to mess up the original stuff |
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| 01:49.20 | initech | nvz: it identified most of my agnostic front songs, which is fairly unknown shit |
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| 01:49.30 | nvz | initech: I also have things I've downloaded like live, acoustic, covers..etc that I dont see being easily tagged |
| 01:49.34 | sema4 | anyone know of anysites that sell debian t-shirts? |
| 01:49.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: ! |
| 01:49.43 | frank_b | hi all |
| 01:50.03 | frank_b | I'm thinking on installing debian, but I'm having a "problem"... can someone tell me how to install it, keeping my "/home" partition at the same time? |
| 01:50.09 | abrotman | sema4: thinkgeek ? |
| 01:50.13 | frank_b | (the installation tool doesn't say how...) |
| 01:50.19 | error403 | debianshop.com? |
| 01:50.22 | sema4 | abrotman: nup ... doesn't have anything listed |
| 01:50.22 | nvz | I like the lesbian linux clothing line myself |
| 01:50.24 | sema4 | error403: tah |
| 01:50.33 | MobyTurbo | frank_b: back up your /home partition and restore it. |
| 01:50.35 | AbeL | my apt-get update are not working.. the packages from non-US send me a 404 Error (not found) someone help me? |
| 01:50.55 | initech | frank_b: note what partition is the /home, don't format it, mount it in the installer as /home |
| 01:51.01 | abrotman | sema4: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/browse/?Nao=1&No=1&Nty=1&N=0&Ntk=All&Ntt=debian&x=0&y=0 |
| 01:51.06 | mdh | !topicsmite AbeL |
| 01:51.07 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon AbeL. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 01:51.09 | chealer | error403: wah. thanks :) |
| 01:51.11 | abrotman | sema4: i vouch for NONE of those |
| 01:51.16 | sema4 | http://www.debianshop.com/cat.pl?session_id=55bf0da3&page=debian_clothing ... hopless |
| 01:51.23 | simonrvn | i'll assume no. thxbye |
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| 01:51.40 | AbeL | excuse me :( |
| 01:51.51 | gdub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.51 | gdub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.13 | initech | nvz: it somehow works by making an audio fingerprint of the file, independent of the format |
| 01:52.26 | sema4 | gdub: yeah? |
| 01:52.43 | frank_b | thanks, initech... I guess I'll try the installer again and try to figure out how to do that then... |
| 01:52.45 | gdub | sorry |
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| 01:53.09 | abrotman | frank_b: read the install guide ? |
| 01:53.11 | abrotman | !ig |
| 01:53.11 | dpkg | i heard ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 01:53.12 | nvz | initech: I'm going to try it, because it sounds really good, but I like my low-resource no-bullshit applications |
| 01:53.28 | frank_b | thanks also MobyTurbo... but I was looking for a solution like the one initech gave me... |
| 01:53.28 | Atula | hello. I am trying to install debian with sarge net install cd |
| 01:53.32 | sema4 | sweet |
| 01:53.33 | sema4 | http://www.debianshop.com/cat.pl?session_id=55bf0da3&page=debian_clothing |
| 01:53.47 | FieldySnuts | why are people repeatedly pasting that url |
| 01:54.01 | frank_b | abrotman: the "first" part... one "skim read" the other one but don't remember seeing anything about this... |
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| 01:54.11 | sema4 | FieldySnuts: what url? |
| 01:54.13 | frank_b | abrotman: does it explain it there? |
| 01:54.18 | FieldySnuts | heh no i'm not pasting it |
| 01:54.22 | abrotman | frank_b: i'm pretty sure it does |
| 01:54.24 | LeonardoCabelo | Hi, I can load a module from a floppy on sarge instalation? |
| 01:54.37 | iLLPoTaTo | Hi, I'm trying to install mysql but i keep getting the same error: |
| 01:54.41 | paster | "iLLPoTaTo" at 69.114.100.221 pasted "Error when using apt-get for mysql" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/314 |
| 01:55.06 | frank_b | ok... thanks abrotman... I'll ckeck it better then... cool... :) |
| 01:55.06 | abrotman | iLLPoTaTo: that's not the package name |
| 01:55.16 | abrotman | frank_b: might be in the appendix |
| 01:55.39 | frank_b | ahhh... so that's why I didn't see it... |
| 01:55.44 | frank_b | I'll check it then |
| 01:55.49 | Gnea | what's that url again for looking up the package contents? |
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| 01:56.10 | Atula | hello. I am trying to install debian with sarge net install cd, but it cannot connect to the internet because it couldn't resolved the DHCP stuff. I am behind a router with functioning DHCP enable. In fact, I installed my earlier debian boxes from this home network before. I've tried: putting in another ether net card. detected both onboard LAN card and the PCI LAN card... but could not connect. I am sitting with my thumb up my ass |
| 01:56.10 | Gnea | !packages |
| 01:56.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, packages is a file you can parse with grep-dctrl, or apt-get install auto-apt, auto-apt update, auto-apt search <the_file_you_want> |
| 01:56.10 | abrotman | Gnea: packages.debian.org ? |
| 01:56.23 | frank_b | thanks all |
| 01:56.27 | frank_b | cya |
| 01:56.30 | frank_b | :) |
| 01:56.45 | Gnea | abrotman: thanks, don't even know if this'll work - trying to find what provides the exim4 config files and having no luck |
| 01:56.54 | Gnea | abrotman: in unstable |
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| 01:56.59 | abrotman | Gnea: debconf generates them ? |
| 01:57.09 | litage_ | usually ctrl+tab switches between desktops in kde, but right now it doesn't for me. any idea how to enable that? |
| 01:57.21 | Atula | hello. I am trying to install debian with sarge net install cd, but it cannot connect to the internet because it couldn't resolved the DHCP stuff. I am behind a router with functioning DHCP enable. In fact, I installed my earlier debian boxes from this home network before. I've tried: putting in another ether net card. detected both onboard LAN card and the PCI LAN card... but could not connect. I am sitting with my thumb up my ass |
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| 01:57.27 | Gnea | abrotman: yeah but it's failing to do so |
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| 01:57.34 | Gnea | abrotman: for exim4-daemon-light|heavy |
| 01:57.42 | abrotman | Gnea: use postfix .. the answer is obvious! |
| 01:57.44 | Atula | what should I try next? |
| 01:57.57 | Gnea | abrotman: postfix does not have sa-exim. it is thus inferior! |
| 01:58.10 | abrotman | sa-exim ? |
| 01:58.14 | Gnea | yeah |
| 01:58.15 | abrotman | spam assasissn n? |
| 01:58.18 | Gnea | spamassassin rules |
| 01:58.22 | Gnea | heavily done |
| 01:58.33 | abrotman | postfix can't work with SA ? |
| 01:58.35 | initech | postfix integrates with spamassassin just fine |
| 01:58.35 | Gnea | it's the best sa setup so far anywhere |
| 01:58.45 | Gnea | not as well as with sa-exim. |
| 01:58.48 | Gnea | i've used both |
| 01:58.51 | Gnea | so i know |
| 01:58.55 | Atula | hmm,... anyone has any idea? |
| 01:58.59 | initech | sa-exim is at smtp time, right? |
| 01:59.03 | Atula | on helping me with my problem? |
| 01:59.06 | Gnea | that is correct |
| 01:59.07 | abrotman | Atula: also have firewire ? |
| 01:59.12 | initech | Gnea: yes, very nice |
| 01:59.12 | Atula | no |
| 01:59.19 | skaarj | this is a totally newbie question (i'm usually administrating servers only by the shell) : I've just installed gnome, how do I start it ? |
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| 01:59.29 | Gnea | initech: it'd be nice if postfix could compete on that level |
| 01:59.37 | Gnea | but, since it can't |
| 01:59.47 | abrotman | skaarj: every boot .. or when you want it ? |
| 01:59.48 | claudio_ | Atula: try a static IP |
| 02:00.04 | paster | "iLLPoTaTo" at 69.114.100.221 pasted "Claims no space available on apt-get mysql install; volume is not nearly full" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/315 |
| 02:00.06 | Atula | claudio_, I tried that |
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| 02:00.12 | Atula | but didn't seem to work either |
| 02:00.16 | skaarj | abrotman > just when i want it... i've apt-get install it and now just want to give it a try |
| 02:00.16 | abrotman | iLLPoTaTo: mysql is not the package name |
| 02:00.27 | iLLPoTaTo | i installed mysql-server |
| 02:00.30 | claudio_ | Atula: cable ok? |
| 02:00.33 | abrotman | skaarj: startx ? |
| 02:00.34 | bobibleyboo | Hey got a question I am running debian testing and I am having trouble getting it to recognize more than 4 nic's anyone know how to fix this? |
| 02:00.35 | Atula | yeah |
| 02:00.38 | frizkybitz | I have a problem from a crash. my sarge box will only boot to cli asking for admin pwd saying i have errors on /usr. when i run fsck on it i get all sorts of questions like "inode ###### is in use but has dtime set. fix?" and "### has imagic flag set. clear?" and "i_blocks is #######, should be 0. fix?" |
| 02:00.38 | iLLPoTaTo | or attempted, i left that out |
| 02:00.52 | frizkybitz | is it standard to just answer yes to all of them? |
| 02:00.58 | pinko | anyone familiar with operamotifwrapper? what it's for, safe to disable? |
| 02:01.02 | skaarj | abrotman > command not found |
| 02:01.10 | abrotman | !find bin/startx$ |
| 02:01.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/startx' (1): (/usr/X11R6/bin/startx) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 02:01.21 | abrotman | skaarj: probably x-window-system-core will get it |
| 02:01.28 | Gnea | bobibleyboo: works fine here |
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| 02:01.46 | skaarj | abrotman > isn't strange that apt-get install gnome doesn't install it ? |
| 02:01.55 | abrotman | skaarj: not really .. you could run apps remotely |
| 02:02.17 | claudio_ | Atula: if it doesn't work with a static IP and the cable is OK, something very wrong is happening... |
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| 02:02.48 | abrotman | frizkybitz: your HDD is having problems |
| 02:02.58 | skaarj | abrotman > thks, i'm installing it... damn i'm a total newbie for using linux as a desktop system :) |
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| 02:03.03 | bobibleyboo | Gnea: What kind of cards are you using I am trying to get 7 Nic's working a mig of 3com 905's and intel 10/100 |
| 02:03.07 | abrotman | skaarj: it's ok |
| 02:03.12 | bobibleyboo | mix sorry |
| 02:03.16 | claudio_ | Atula: can you reach any other host in the network? |
| 02:03.25 | frizkybitz | abrotman: S.M.A.R.T says it's ok. do you know anything that i can do? |
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| 02:03.51 | abrotman | what the hell does smart know ? |
| 02:04.08 | ignatius | I want to stream video from my tv card into an avi file - is there a good program for deb that does that? |
| 02:04.10 | skaarj | abrotman > i was wondering, is there an easiest way than Sambe to share linux files with a wind*** system ? |
| 02:04.14 | FieldySnuts | ~confuse S.M.A.R.T. |
| 02:04.14 | apt | yes who are my gouda today ? |
| 02:04.23 | skaarj | i have install swat but it's pretty complicated :( |
| 02:04.24 | frizkybitz | abrotman: i don't know. it told me when my previous drive was going to fail |
| 02:04.29 | abrotman | skaarj: not really |
| 02:04.37 | iLLPoTaTo | abrotman: I'm not sre if you checked my paste, but I'm at a loss. I have plenty of space on my HDD, bt apt claims it can't install mysql-server bc of space |
| 02:04.45 | skaarj | i have sharde /var/www |
| 02:04.56 | skaarj | but can't access subdirectories |
| 02:05.06 | claudio_ | frizkybitz: and did it effectively failed as predicted? |
| 02:05.07 | nvz | initech: I dont see anything about that in here.. all I see is fetch cd covers.. which seems to work pretty well |
| 02:05.21 | frizkybitz | well not right away |
| 02:05.27 | abrotman | skaarj: samba isn't simple |
| 02:05.34 | frizkybitz | but it did |
| 02:05.35 | claudio_ | frizkybitz: smart spits some false alarms sometimes |
| 02:05.40 | willyb|away | What is the timeframe for the next major debian release? |
| 02:05.41 | abrotman | iLLPoTaTo: how about a df -h ? |
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| 02:05.47 | abrotman | willyb|away: WIR |
| 02:05.47 | skaarj | yeah, it's very very obvious :) |
| 02:05.55 | initech | nvz: right click and choose the "fill in info" thing, then the musicbrainz button |
| 02:06.05 | buu | willyb|away: Christmas! |
| 02:06.07 | initech | nvz: on the track in the playlist |
| 02:06.10 | willyb|away | abrotman: true |
| 02:06.23 | claudio_ | frizkybitz: it predicted imminent disk failure in my case, four years ago. and the disk is still up and running :\ |
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| 02:06.56 | frizkybitz | It's still under warranty from future shop too, but they scan it with windows, and I'm afraid that they either won't detect anything, or they'll bork everything i have |
| 02:06.57 | Atula | claudio_: I remember now. I ran Knoppix and it detected the internet no problem. I surfed with Knoppix for a bit to make sure that the internet is working... but when I install with Sarge again... it wouldn't get to the internet.... |
| 02:07.08 | iLLPoTaTo | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 02:07.09 | iLLPoTaTo | /dev/hda1 -9535797530979k 1.0k 0.0k 2% / |
| 02:07.14 | abrotman | frizkybitz: from what i can tell it's all borked now |
| 02:07.18 | Veratien | VFS: cannot mount root device "hdb8" or unknown-block (0,0) |
| 02:07.21 | abrotman | iLLPoTaTo: guess that's why |
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| 02:07.22 | claudio_ | Atula: strange NIC? are the correct modules being loaded? |
| 02:07.22 | Veratien | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 02:07.23 | Veratien | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0) |
| 02:07.32 | JayParadise | im trying to stop ntpupdate from starting on boot can i just delete /etc/init.d/ntpdate to fix it? |
| 02:07.42 | frizkybitz | will the windows scan destroy my data? |
| 02:07.52 | abrotman | JayParadise: you shuldn't |
| 02:07.54 | iLLPoTaTo | abrotman: isn't only 2% used tho? |
| 02:07.55 | abrotman | JayParadise: update-rc.d |
| 02:07.56 | Veratien | i get that using a bog standard install from the latest i386 netinst CD. It reboots into my system and gives me that. |
| 02:08.01 | Atula | claudio_: I dunno, I just insert the CD and that usually how it all works out... but not this time... :( |
| 02:08.03 | abrotman | iLLPoTaTo: shuldn't be a negative there |
| 02:08.03 | Veratien | Anyone know what can cause it? |
| 02:08.12 | abrotman | iLLPoTaTo: try a -h |
| 02:08.12 | bgravato | skaarj: is it only the subdirs you can't access? check permissions on that dirs |
| 02:08.24 | Eddie | hmm |
| 02:08.30 | Eddie | compiling unrealircd on a p200 |
| 02:08.33 | Eddie | might take a while lol |
| 02:08.40 | iLLPoTaTo | it was -h |
| 02:08.43 | skaarj | bgravato > they don't belong to root user |
| 02:08.49 | claudio_ | Atula: boot your knoppix cd and see what kernel version and network card module it uses, and see if the same module is being used when you try to install sarge... |
| 02:08.54 | skaarj | i guess this why i can't access it... |
| 02:09.14 | abrotman | iLLPoTaTo: do it on the paster .. that's hard to read |
| 02:09.17 | chealer | dpkg: maintainers contest is http://www.debian.gr.jp/~kitame/maint.cgi |
| 02:09.17 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
| 02:09.23 | nvz | my window manager is getting old :( |
| 02:09.25 | chealer | there must be a better name for that, too |
| 02:09.36 | nvz | needs to learn some new tricks |
| 02:09.43 | claudio_ | nvz: twm? |
| 02:09.49 | skaarj | abrotman > failed to initialiez core device :( |
| 02:09.59 | nvz | claudio_: sawfish |
| 02:10.10 | claudio_ | ah, heh |
| 02:10.12 | Atula | claudio_: it's 2.6+ for knoppix I think... but for sarge net install cd it's 2.4+ kernel |
| 02:10.24 | abrotman | skaarj: you're going to have to configure X |
| 02:10.36 | dvs | Atula: It's 2.6 as well |
| 02:10.37 | bgravato | skaarj: it doesn't need to belong to root user |
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| 02:10.47 | paster | "iLLPoTaTo" at 69.114.100.221 pasted "DF display negativ capactiy" (3 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/316 |
| 02:10.52 | Atula | dvs: it loads up as 2.4+ |
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| 02:11.05 | abrotman | iLLPoTaTo: that's why it can't install afaict |
| 02:11.10 | dvs | Atula: Have you tried "linux26" at the boot prompt? |
| 02:11.11 | Atula | 2.4.27 |
| 02:11.14 | claudio_ | Atula: use linux26 |
| 02:11.15 | Eddie | guys if i own a domain name, how would i get irc.domain.name to go to a certain ip and port? |
| 02:11.29 | skaarj | bgravado > the fact is, if this subdirectories are shared under a root account, why are they unaccessible ? |
| 02:11.32 | iLLPoTaTo | abrotman: why would it display a negativ? |
| 02:11.35 | FieldySnuts | Eddie: edit your dns records. as for a port, that's up to the client to decide |
| 02:11.39 | JayParadise | update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove |
| 02:11.39 | abrotman | because . it's messed up :) |
| 02:11.41 | Atula | dvs: I was not aware of that. what does that do? putting linux26 at the :? |
| 02:11.44 | Eddie | FieldySnuts, thanks |
| 02:11.45 | JayParadise | should that stop it from starting on boot? |
| 02:11.51 | iLLPoTaTo | heh, any way to fix it? |
| 02:11.52 | dvs | Atula: it boots up the 2.6 kernel |
| 02:11.56 | skaarj | abrotman > dpkg-reconfigure x-window-core-system ? |
| 02:11.57 | Atula | I see |
| 02:12.03 | abrotman | !drxx skaarj |
| 02:12.03 | dpkg | skaarj: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 02:12.07 | Atula | lemme try that |
| 02:12.15 | skaarj | thx ;) |
| 02:12.32 | phoenixeye | does anyone who where I can see the list of SATA drivers that are in the debian installer? |
| 02:12.38 | JayParadise | abrotman: this should fix it? update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove (first time using this tool) |
| 02:12.48 | abrotman | JayParadise: seems .. right |
| 02:13.09 | Atula | dvs: in the same spirit, can I put linux30? |
| 02:13.14 | JayParadise | it echoed removing symbolic startup links, ill find out next boot. |
| 02:13.16 | JayParadise | thanks |
| 02:13.18 | Atula | I thought kernel 3.0 is out |
| 02:13.19 | dvs | Atula: There's no such thing ;-) |
| 02:13.23 | Atula | am I right? |
| 02:13.24 | JayParadise | i assume mysqld would be in inetd |
| 02:13.29 | abrotman | JayParadise: no |
| 02:13.29 | Atula | dang... just an idiot here |
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| 02:13.38 | Gnea | Atula: uh, no |
| 02:13.39 | Atula | what's 3.0r stands for? |
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| 02:13.51 | Gnea | Atula: that's the version of debian's woody distribution |
| 02:13.56 | dvs | Atula: r what? There's something after that. |
| 02:14.05 | Atula | forget it.... it's... too late... now I'm even more of an idiot |
| 02:14.06 | Gnea | dvs: doesn't matter |
| 02:14.21 | dvs | Gnea: Yes, it doesn. There's r0 and r0a |
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| 02:14.34 | Atula | OKAY it worked! |
| 02:14.38 | Atula | with linux26 |
| 02:14.39 | dvs | s/doesn/does |
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| 02:14.47 | bgravato | Atula: btw, if you can check if knoppix is setting ethernet speed to 10mbps or 100mbps (i'm just having a problem with that, my laptop's ethernet card seems to not be working at 100mbps, only works at 10mbps) |
| 02:14.48 | Gnea | dvs: in this case it does NOT matter. |
| 02:14.49 | Atula | how come it automatically starts with 2.4? |
| 02:14.50 | iLLPoTaTo | offtopic a bit, but do two POST beeps mean anythign? |
| 02:14.51 | Gnea | fucking morons |
| 02:14.54 | Atula | that's kinda weird |
| 02:15.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:15.09 | FieldySnuts | way off topic, not even debian |
| 02:15.09 | abrotman | read your manual |
| 02:15.24 | FieldySnuts | #hardware ? |
| 02:15.48 | skaarj | anyone have ever configured xserver on a sarge that run on a vmware virtual machine ? |
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| 02:17.27 | pumpitup | ok back after a 16 hour shift :S |
| 02:17.39 | dvs | pumpitup: lucky you |
| 02:17.43 | pumpitup | indeed |
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| 02:17.58 | abrotman | maybe he's a porn star |
| 02:18.04 | dvs | ahahahahaaah |
| 02:18.15 | pumpitup | that wouldnt bother me working 24hour straight |
| 02:18.30 | nvz | initech: yeah I am a bit tired right now, to really do anything with this... but its a damn decent program. I am not yet comfortable with the UI, but its very featureful |
| 02:18.49 | Atula | is there a reason sarge uses 2.4 as default? |
| 02:19.00 | abrotman | because |
| 02:19.03 | dvs | !kernel of instability |
| 02:19.04 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 02:19.05 | abrotman | !worked in 2.4 |
| 02:19.05 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
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| 02:19.23 | pumpitup | :P |
| 02:19.25 | nvz | Atula: sarge does nothing by default, neither does any other debian distro |
| 02:19.47 | Atula | pedantic |
| 02:19.51 | nvz | Atula: don't come in here jumping to conclusions because you were too stupid to read the Install Guide and/or relase notes |
| 02:19.54 | Atula | shallow and pedantic |
| 02:20.17 | pumpitup | wow lol poor guy got burned |
| 02:20.20 | Atula | nvz, dude... I didn't conclude anything... just a question |
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| 02:20.34 | nvz | Atula: its an invalid question |
| 02:20.42 | Atula | every time I'm in here... I walk around with my terrorized hat on |
| 02:20.45 | nvz | Atula: sarge comes with 2.4 and 2.6 neither is default |
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| 02:21.03 | pumpitup | try pressing F3 at the install atula :P |
| 02:21.10 | iLLPoTaTo | well abrotman, it seems that a "parity circuit failure" is my problem |
| 02:21.12 | Atula | I did that... |
| 02:21.12 | nvz | Atula: which ever one you tell it to boot from is the one it installs |
| 02:21.18 | abrotman | iLLPoTaTo: is that all ? |
| 02:21.26 | dvs | nvz: Now I'M confused. If you don't put anything at the boot: prompt you get the 2.4. kernel |
| 02:21.29 | Atula | alright.. it's all good now |
| 02:21.32 | nvz | Atula: you jumped to the conclusion that you werent given a choice. |
| 02:21.41 | iLLPoTaTo | according to the post beeps, it won't fully boot, so I can't ssh to the box |
| 02:21.45 | nvz | dvs: thats your fault for not reading the damn screen or the install guide |
| 02:21.59 | daedalus_ | nvs: if you hit enter, you get 2.4... I call that pretty "default"... path of least resistance at any rate |
| 02:22.12 | nvz | seems for me it says to press F1 for help or something to that effect |
| 02:22.14 | iLLPoTaTo | thanks for the help anyway |
| 02:22.14 | dvs | daedalus_: I agree |
| 02:22.15 | daedalus_ | s/nvs/nvz |
| 02:22.15 | Atula | shut up shut up.... enough already... it's installing... it's FINE.... now, how's the family? the kids? |
| 02:22.17 | nvz | you both need help ffs |
| 02:22.32 | nvz | make that all 3 of you |
| 02:22.38 | Atula | shhhh! |
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| 02:22.45 | iLLPoTaTo | I'll have to look at the memory module to see if it's alright etc, thanks abrotman |
| 02:22.48 | Azar | stupid question: why all old versions of Debian used the ALL:PARANOID in the /etc/hosts.deny but Sarge confidently comments it out by default? |
| 02:22.53 | daedalus_ | atula: It's cool. relax |
| 02:23.05 | Atula | it's cool... it's cool... we cool, G? |
| 02:23.07 | pmiller9 | does anyone have experience w/ external 5.25" drive enclosures? I want to put a nec dvd burner it one... what's a good device that'll work with linux? usb2 or firewire? |
| 02:23.18 | pumpitup | hahahaha we cool G hahahaha |
| 02:23.26 | abrotman | pmiller9: either ? |
| 02:23.29 | Lusid | Sarge seemed pretty confident even in the movie. That's just how he is. |
| 02:23.39 | pumpitup | shizzle my nizzle :D |
| 02:23.49 | dvs | fo' shizzle |
| 02:24.18 | pmiller9 | abrotman: my laptop supports both usb and firewire |
| 02:24.49 | abrotman | right .. so pick one |
| 02:24.56 | abrotman | make sure linux is finding the devices |
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| 02:25.35 | Azar | it saddens me when they start giving way to new "features" and "gadgets" by sacrificing the security |
| 02:25.56 | Atula | I tried to play with a tape drive at work today. sigh.... the server runs fedora core 3.... I've been using debian for a half a year... anyways... I think I need to read more about the tape drive thing,,,, I've been reading "man mt" and that was okay I guess..... but what should I look at to boost my learning curve? |
| 02:26.04 | daedalus_ | Atula: 2.4 is used over 2.6 because it is more stable. Also, the 2.6 version has had less time to be field-tested, since it's been out for a shorter amount of time. The goal is to install a stable system, not a cutting edge one. |
| 02:26.26 | Atula | they want me (an intern) to back up their server to tape drive.... at a certain time at night |
| 02:26.50 | daedalus_ | Atula: But 2.6 is obviously an option that is reasonably stable, and many people need the functionality, so it's given as an easy option |
| 02:27.29 | Atula | daedalus_, thanks. I am okay with those previous answers... everyone my put my question to rest. Thank you. |
| 02:27.45 | Atula | we coo, G?? |
| 02:27.50 | Atula | as long as we coo.. |
| 02:27.51 | daedalus_ | atula: Cool. Didn't see a good answer in the fray. |
| 02:27.53 | Atula | alright!!! |
| 02:28.07 | Atula | thanks, daedalus_ |
| 02:28.10 | daedalus_ | np |
| 02:28.19 | Atula | I'm so scared everytime I'm here |
| 02:28.24 | Atula | everyone trash me so much |
| 02:28.32 | Atula | haha |
| 02:28.38 | dvs | !lart Atula |
| 02:28.43 | bgravato | nvz: if neither is default, then none would boot on an enter key press, at boot prompt, and it would be stalled there until either option was chosen... |
| 02:28.44 | AbeL | Atula: buuu |
| 02:28.47 | skaarj | oh yeah i got it working |
| 02:28.58 | skaarj | thank abrotman |
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| 02:29.05 | skaarj | it was a mouse configuration problem :) |
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| 02:29.14 | bgravato | so one of them must be the default |
| 02:29.16 | abrotman | skaarj: all working ? |
| 02:29.25 | RyuKojiro | Ooooh, lot's of debian people |
| 02:29.29 | Atula | it's alright... gotta start somewhere.... first you sleep with the secratary then her sister.... then the president's daughter.... you know... you gotta start somehwere to get to somewhere.... |
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| 02:29.44 | skaarj | abrotman > yep, i'm fine :) |
| 02:29.45 | RyuKojiro | Can anyone help me with an OldWorld powerpc machine? |
| 02:29.53 | abrotman | skaarj: enjoy :) |
| 02:29.58 | skaarj | hehe |
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| 02:30.46 | Atula | spooner st. |
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| 02:31.06 | pumpitup | abrotman do u ever leave this chan i seem to cxome on and ur always there |
| 02:31.12 | Atula | oooh, let me have the honor of burning someone |
| 02:31.15 | pumpitup | abrotman maybe ur a cyborg |
| 02:31.15 | abrotman | !moron speak |
| 02:31.16 | dpkg | speak: You are moron #49 |
| 02:31.19 | abrotman | !moronspeak |
| 02:31.19 | dpkg | FUKN SPEK PRPLY U FKN M0R0NZ!!!!11 See <sms-over-irc> <ne1> <lol> <2> <u> <r> <k>, or see http://www.hohto.to/forums/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=17720. Adding -ies, -rama or any other puerile suffix to words also qualifies, and will entitle you to a free glass of shut the fuck up. |
| 02:31.24 | abrotman | pumpitup: and yes i do |
| 02:31.38 | Atula | !ask RyuKojiro |
| 02:31.41 | mfrisch | pumpitup you out of ink? |
| 02:31.44 | RyuKojiro | :S |
| 02:31.50 | pumpitup | mfrisch : LOL |
| 02:31.52 | abrotman | !debstats |
| 02:31.52 | dpkg | i heard debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 02:31.53 | pumpitup | mfrisch : not yet |
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| 02:32.01 | stetyR | hi! |
| 02:32.05 | abrotman | pumpitup: see ...i have no green! |
| 02:32.21 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 02:32.21 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg |
| 02:32.22 | pumpitup | :P |
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| 02:32.30 | abrotman | jeez . simonrvn must really be having problems |
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| 02:33.02 | chealer | abrotman: why are you saying that? |
| 02:33.05 | RyuKojiro | So nobody can help me I guess? |
| 02:33.21 | Azar | at someone's advice I have removed ssh as being a threat for keeping open port listening, is ssh a bad idea to keep? I am not even aware what it does |
| 02:33.27 | mfrisch | RyuKojiro I think there is ppc channel |
| 02:33.30 | Atula | RyuKojiro, you should just ask the question... how would the folks help you without knowing what you need |
| 02:33.41 | Atula | they don't like foreplay here |
| 02:33.45 | abrotman | chealer: /lastlog him |
| 02:33.45 | Atula | pretty much rough people |
| 02:33.55 | Atula | they do it to get it over with.... no enjoyment... |
| 02:34.00 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 02:34.00 | dpkg | methinks ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 02:34.23 | RyuKojiro | Atula, well I asked if anyone can help with ppc specifically because I don't want to waste the time of those who can't help. |
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| 02:34.36 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: are you sure it's a ppc specific problem ? |
| 02:34.39 | RyuKojiro | Yes |
| 02:34.45 | RyuKojiro | abrotman: I am sure. |
| 02:35.04 | abrotman | really ? |
| 02:35.07 | RyuKojiro | I am not a retard that is like "I LIEK LINUZX CUZ ITZ 1337 AND FR33 LOLZ!!!111" |
| 02:35.08 | abrotman | booting problem ? |
| 02:35.20 | RyuKojiro | abrotman: OpenFirmware specifically |
| 02:35.22 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: could you .. not do that :) |
| 02:35.25 | mwilson | hrm |
| 02:35.31 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: would #opendarwin be able to help ? |
| 02:35.35 | RyuKojiro | abrotman: It was an example. |
| 02:35.39 | RyuKojiro | abrotman: No |
| 02:35.42 | RyuKojiro | They wouldn't |
| 02:35.42 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: also . try #debianppc |
| 02:35.55 | abrotman | i don't know why anyone would buy ppc though :) |
| 02:36.05 | mwilson | Why would someone who thought they needed OF help ask in a Linux channel? |
| 02:36.08 | RyuKojiro | Ugh |
| 02:36.09 | pumpitup | what is a ppc anyway? |
| 02:36.16 | mwilson | abrotman: Why wouldn't they? |
| 02:36.21 | RyuKojiro | abrotman: Have you ever heard of /whois? |
| 02:36.27 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: for what ? |
| 02:36.32 | RyuKojiro | I am in almost all of the channels you listed. |
| 02:36.37 | RyuKojiro | In fact, I am |
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| 02:36.52 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: you want me to check every channel of every person who asks for help ? |
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| 02:36.58 | pumpitup | lool |
| 02:37.02 | pumpitup | !ppc |
| 02:37.02 | dpkg | methinks ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
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| 02:37.19 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: #debianppc isn't answering >? |
| 02:37.21 | Atula | oh dear |
| 02:37.30 | Atula | I guess I enjoy it as well |
| 02:37.32 | abrotman | mwilson: because . it's not worth it :) |
| 02:37.36 | RyuKojiro | Nope |
| 02:37.39 | mwilson | abrotman: How is it not worth it? |
| 02:37.43 | abrotman | how is it |
| 02:37.47 | pumpitup | pump up the jam pump it up |
| 02:37.54 | mfrisch | is he going to ask a ? |
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| 02:38.05 | abrotman | he did .. asked what ppc is |
| 02:38.14 | pumpitup | lol no that was me |
| 02:38.22 | RyuKojiro | I know what a ppc is. |
| 02:38.23 | abrotman | lol .. ur right! |
| 02:38.28 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: not you |
| 02:38.30 | mwilson | You'll notice that he STILL hasn't got around to describing the problem he thinks he has with OF. |
| 02:38.30 | RyuKojiro | Oh |
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| 02:38.40 | Atula | what's the name of x-windows-system? |
| 02:38.43 | Atula | I forgot |
| 02:38.44 | RyuKojiro | mwilson: Because I dont want to ask if nobody can help |
| 02:38.48 | pumpitup | xfree86? |
| 02:38.49 | RyuKojiro | Or are you blind? |
| 02:38.49 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: there are ppc people here .. can you succintly describe the problem ? |
| 02:38.54 | Atula | apt-get install x-windows-system? |
| 02:38.58 | RyuKojiro | Yes I can |
| 02:39.03 | jmd | Does anyone know what kernel/glibc I need for CLOCK_PROCESS_CPUTIME_ID to work ? |
| 02:39.07 | abrotman | Atula: x-window-system-core or x-window-system |
| 02:39.14 | pumpitup | atula yea and x-window-systme-core |
| 02:39.17 | Atula | no s |
| 02:39.18 | Atula | I see |
| 02:39.19 | Atula | hehe |
| 02:39.20 | Atula | no s |
| 02:39.21 | daedalus_ | ryuKojiro:Ready, set, GO! |
| 02:39.25 | pumpitup | lol |
| 02:39.26 | mwilson | RyuKojiro: And of course someone would magically know if they could help or not without knowing what the problem is. |
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| 02:39.28 | RyuKojiro | OFW fails to "OPEN" the partition 0 from the FD device |
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| 02:39.31 | pumpitup | silly typo :P |
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| 02:39.44 | RyuKojiro | daedalus_: I was fucking typing, you impatient prick. |
| 02:39.52 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:39.56 | Atula | yay |
| 02:40.00 | pumpitup | now now no need to get mad :D |
| 02:40.12 | abrotman | !yay |
| 02:40.12 | dpkg | yay! |
| 02:40.14 | poonj | hey guys, I'm confused about some options I need to use to enable ssh forwarding on my client |
| 02:40.14 | Atula | I learned to be humble and just grab my ankles as I speak in here |
| 02:40.15 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:40.19 | poonj | do I just use -X -Y? |
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| 02:40.24 | poonj | or are there other optioons as well? |
| 02:40.37 | daedalus_ | poonj: What kind of forwarding? |
| 02:40.38 | FieldySnuts | !sshx |
| 02:40.38 | dpkg | somebody said sshx was Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 02:40.39 | Atula | no options!!! JUST BEND OVER..... then ask |
| 02:40.44 | pumpitup | this channel is great as long as ur polite and don be an ass |
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| 02:40.51 | abrotman | !tell pumpitup about ur |
| 02:40.52 | RyuKojiro | abrotman: So can you help? |
| 02:40.58 | mwilson | !ur |
| 02:40.58 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 02:40.58 | wolfdream | what channel should I go to for help with installing sarge to an adaptec 2100s controller |
| 02:41.00 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: i didn't say i was a PPC person :) |
| 02:41.00 | Atula | must have a sense of humor as well |
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| 02:41.06 | RyuKojiro | Or are you clueless and jsut wished to waste my time? |
| 02:41.11 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: i'm sorry .. i just know that some ppc people here ... |
| 02:41.15 | Atula | dude, type the questions |
| 02:41.16 | FieldySnuts | RyuKojiro: hi. |
| 02:41.20 | matthew-gray | hello |
| 02:41.21 | mfrisch | abrotman :) |
| 02:41.21 | poonj | x11 fowarding, sorry |
| 02:41.29 | RyuKojiro | abrotman: Exactly why I said I didn't want to ask unless someone could help! |
| 02:41.30 | FieldySnuts | poonj: please see the factoid I had dpkg spit out (sshx) |
| 02:41.32 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: i'm trying to get you some help .. sorry |
| 02:41.32 | pumpitup | abrotman : da fck lol |
| 02:41.39 | poonj | okay |
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| 02:41.40 | abrotman | !tell pumpitup about lol |
| 02:41.46 | FieldySnuts | !date abrotman |
| 02:41.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:41.52 | pumpitup | arggggg stop it |
| 02:41.53 | matthew-gray | has anyone here found an adduser module for automatically adding a kerberos principal? |
| 02:41.55 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: now .. be careful |
| 02:41.59 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 02:42.00 | abrotman | pumpitup: then stop speaking like that |
| 02:42.03 | RyuKojiro | FieldySnuts: Hi.... |
| 02:42.05 | hehelol | There is such an excessive effort by debian users to be unhelpful its impressive |
| 02:42.18 | pumpitup | ok I will sir! |
| 02:42.19 | FieldySnuts | hehelol: please don't troll, and if you must, be a good troll |
| 02:42.24 | abrotman | hehelol: is that all ? |
| 02:42.24 | mfrisch | hehelol ask a ? |
| 02:42.30 | hehelol | i have no question |
| 02:42.32 | RyuKojiro | hehelol: I agree. |
| 02:42.39 | bgravato | atula: next time you forget the name of a package/task, try to remember this: apt-cache search pattern (ex: apt-cache --names-only search x win sys ) |
| 02:42.43 | RyuKojiro | Don't tell him not to troll, he is right. |
| 02:42.53 | pumpitup | easynews is miam :D |
| 02:42.56 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: i tried to get you help . there are ppc people here . if they are all sleeping . i can't help that . dont' be a dick about it |
| 02:42.57 | mwilson | RyuKojiro: Yes, how DARE someone actually want details from you, huh? |
| 02:43.07 | RyuKojiro | abrotman: I am being a dick about it? |
| 02:43.11 | abrotman | yes you are |
| 02:43.11 | FieldySnuts | you are now |
| 02:43.15 | Atula | here's a thought: is it wise to write a big ass shell script to automate some stuff? or is there something else easier and less laborious.... I wrote a script for people at work to manage the internal FTP server.... actions like adding/removing user/group and such |
| 02:43.18 | RyuKojiro | I wasnt |
| 02:43.20 | abrotman | you are |
| 02:43.27 | RyuKojiro | until you started poking fun at me. |
| 02:43.27 | FieldySnuts | this isn't an argument |
| 02:43.28 | FieldySnuts | yes it is |
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| 02:43.32 | mwilson | RyuKojiro: How DARE someone expect you to actually be able to discuss your problem intelligently, eh? |
| 02:43.38 | RyuKojiro | abrotman: There is something called tense |
| 02:43.49 | RyuKojiro | past present future ;) |
| 02:43.56 | pumpitup | ... |
| 02:43.56 | abrotman | and you were |
| 02:43.59 | abrotman | and you are |
| 02:44.00 | RyuKojiro | mwilson: Intelligently? |
| 02:44.05 | FieldySnuts | RyuKojiro: look. just start over, state your problem, with some information. |
| 02:44.10 | RyuKojiro | Okay |
| 02:44.11 | daedalus_ | Atula: What are you thinking of automating. It all depends |
| 02:44.13 | wolfdream | what channel should I go to for help with installing sarge to a RAID on an adaptec 2100s controller? |
| 02:44.25 | RyuKojiro | FieldySnuts: I cant get OFW to boot from a debian floppy |
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| 02:44.29 | RyuKojiro | Any floppy |
| 02:44.31 | Atula | RyuKojiro, as someone who get burn daily being here... please for our shakes... just ask the questions regarding your problems.... it's faster that way... |
| 02:44.31 | abrotman | Atula: you can either make one large one .. or smaller ones . the large one could use the same functinos |
| 02:44.33 | matthew-gray | wait a minute, don't either of you have some pressing question or item to discuss, other than just bickering with each other? |
| 02:44.33 | abrotman | wolfdream: here |
| 02:44.38 | daedalus_ | wolfdream: Depends upon the problem you're having with the install |
| 02:44.38 | FieldySnuts | *sigh* |
| 02:44.39 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 02:44.39 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 02:44.44 | hehelol | OFW? |
| 02:44.46 | abrotman | wolfdream: and using 'linux26' .. it should just work |
| 02:44.49 | daedalus_ | wolfdream: most likely here is the right place |
| 02:44.53 | matthew-gray | i mean, there are plenty of people here to help out and all... |
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| 02:45.05 | pumpitup | Atula : scripts are great id love to be able to write them |
| 02:45.18 | RyuKojiro | hehelol: OpenFirmware |
| 02:45.38 | RyuKojiro | Something that nobody here can help me with, but they want me to elaborate to waste my own time. |
| 02:45.43 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: any hints in the IG for sarge ? |
| 02:45.46 | pumpitup | then just go son |
| 02:45.50 | pumpitup | goooooooo |
| 02:45.50 | daedalus_ | RyuKojiro: Dunno anything about OF. Sorry. |
| 02:45.52 | pumpitup | leave |
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| 02:45.56 | mwilson | hehelol: OFW being his own special technical term for OpenFirmware, which everyone else calls OF. See !vague. |
| 02:46.01 | wolfdream | abrotman,daedalus: linux26 fails... I should have been more informative... my CDROM is on the SCSI controller as well... so I fail to find the CD-ROM after keyboard layout selection... |
| 02:46.02 | RyuKojiro | And then they can laugh to themselves as they use their bot to make fun of me. |
| 02:46.03 | FieldySnuts | indeed |
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| 02:46.16 | abrotman | wolfdream: froppy drive ? |
| 02:46.27 | pumpitup | RyuKojiro youre pointless |
| 02:46.27 | FieldySnuts | RyuKojiro: we give you two chances and you blow it. what the hell are we supposed to do? we are volunteers, we should be paid to have to pull teeth. |
| 02:46.31 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: any hints in the IG for sarge ? |
| 02:46.32 | daedalus_ | wolfdream: usb? |
| 02:46.35 | RyuKojiro | mwilson: Go to #OpenDarwin and ask what OFW is |
| 02:46.39 | RyuKojiro | See what they will say |
| 02:46.41 | matthew-gray | RyuKojiro, look some poeple would like to help, but your question was too terse to understand, that's all. |
| 02:46.52 | PerfDave | RyuKojiro: Are you trying to install Debian on a Mac? |
| 02:46.53 | FieldySnuts | RyuKojiro: who cares? how would that change if we knew what it was? sigh, this one is for you |
| 02:46.54 | abrotman | wolfdream: i've installed a few systems with froppy drives .. seems pretty easy to me |
| 02:46.57 | FieldySnuts | !tell RyuKojiro about smart questions |
| 02:47.14 | pumpitup | !tell pumpitup about smart questions |
| 02:47.18 | pumpitup | :D |
| 02:47.18 | FieldySnuts | RyuKojiro: that is not supposed to be an insult, it genuinely helps improve communication skills. |
| 02:47.22 | hehelol | RyuKojiro: it doesnt have to be a debian boot disk |
| 02:47.28 | RyuKojiro | FieldySnuts: Thank you for the multiple pms that I never asked for |
| 02:47.31 | Azar | is Woody more secure than Sarge? |
| 02:47.36 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 02:47.37 | hehelol | create your own kernel, |
| 02:47.39 | FieldySnuts | i only did one pm (telL) |
| 02:47.42 | wolfdream | abrotman: i just haven't tried it yet.... |
| 02:47.44 | FieldySnuts | i've tried enough, have fun |
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| 02:47.51 | matthew-gray | FieldySnuts, please stop battering him with dpkg. He simply doesn't appreciate it, most people won't. |
| 02:48.07 | pumpitup | woody is old |
| 02:48.07 | matthew-gray | Azar, nope. |
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| 02:48.26 | hehelol | I think the dpkg ! is patronising and infact slows communication as you have just witnessed |
| 02:48.27 | daedalus_ | wolfdream: there's a usb memorystick installer as well. |
| 02:48.37 | abrotman | hehelol: stop trolling |
| 02:48.42 | RyuKojiro | hehelol: I think so too |
| 02:48.43 | matthew-gray | hehelol, here, here! |
| 02:48.48 | RyuKojiro | abrotman: He isn't trolling |
| 02:48.50 | Azar | I was asking because while I was using Woody I had never intrusion problems |
| 02:48.51 | wolfdream | daedalus: thx |
| 02:48.52 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: he was earlier, nothing has changed |
| 02:48.56 | abrotman | gods ..fucking morons |
| 02:48.59 | Azar | 3 years of safe Woody sailing |
| 02:49.00 | RyuKojiro | He is saying something to help the channel |
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| 02:49.08 | matthew-gray | Azar, what happened? |
| 02:49.10 | abrotman | ignore the stupid fucking bot if you don't like him .. don't be so fucking stupid |
| 02:49.10 | mwilson | Now it's partonizing to think that someone might have enough intelligence to provide details. |
| 02:49.12 | FieldySnuts | oi. permasunday. |
| 02:49.13 | PerfDave | Azar: "intrusion problems"? |
| 02:49.14 | hehelol | RyuKojiro: cant you just boot from custom floopy |
| 02:49.25 | mwilson | s/partonizing/patronizing/ |
| 02:49.32 | Azar | matthew-gray, it looks like SArge is vulnerable from the installation moment up |
| 02:49.34 | bgravato | azar: woody is deprecated, sarge is the current stable version, woody support will stop in the future so better go for sarge, or even better, set your sources to stable regardless it's woody or sarge or something else |
| 02:49.45 | abrotman | Azar: /msg dpkg sarge security issues |
| 02:49.46 | hehelol | if you want to be pedantic its patronising |
| 02:49.47 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: but I don't get it, you should automatically know that TFT'ing the OFW with the MMRD(3) in the mmRft was as easy as tweaking a 2nd level LLF. |
| 02:49.56 | FieldySnuts | right? |
| 02:49.58 | RyuKojiro | hehelol: No, I can't figure out why, but OFW has a CATCH every time it tries with the floppie3s I create and it cant even OPEN the Debian floppies as bootable |
| 02:50.02 | Atula | I wish I remember my monitor's specs everytime I intall a new computer |
| 02:50.06 | Azar | bgravato: I have to chose between security and beauty: I would chose security |
| 02:50.08 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: HRNNFESD ? |
| 02:50.12 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: heh |
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| 02:50.18 | matthew-gray | Azar, truthfully all software is, that is unless you lock it in a box in a vault, but no Sarge is much more solid IMHO |
| 02:50.40 | mwilson | Atula: I wish I knew why my monitor manufacturer gave me this book with the specifications in it, so that I didn't have to remember them. |
| 02:50.42 | abrotman | ok .. so he explains his problem to the troll .. and ignores other people .. good plan |
| 02:50.49 | hehelol | RyuKojiro: have you been able to boot from floppy before? |
| 02:50.50 | chealer | bgravato: AND randomly let APT upgrade your system |
| 02:50.54 | Atula | hm.... btw, when I plug a debian machine to a NEW monitor... will it let me reconfigure the Horizonal and vertical sync? |
| 02:50.54 | Azar | matthew-gray I am unable to trust connecting knowing that the box can be taken over at any move I make |
| 02:51.08 | daedalus_ | Atula: heh. They're not that critical nowadays... the defaults are safe on most monitors. |
| 02:51.10 | RyuKojiro | hehelol: only MacOS floppies |
| 02:51.17 | PerfDave | Azar: Why do you think that a default Sarge install is remotely exploitable? |
| 02:51.20 | RyuKojiro | tiny finder floppies |
| 02:51.38 | abrotman | Azar: then you should disconnect from the internet .. forever |
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| 02:51.48 | matthew-gray | Azar, that is true of any box hosted on a network connection, regardless of OS or release. It is a concern we all live with. |
| 02:51.53 | Azar | PerfDAve because when you do an install the box connects for updates and packages |
| 02:51.58 | Azar | totally unprotected |
| 02:51.58 | hehelol | RyuKojiro: Can you boot another system with the floopy you created |
| 02:52.09 | abrotman | Azar: how many open ports do you have on install ? |
| 02:52.14 | PerfDave | Azar: What do you mean, "totally unprotected"? |
| 02:52.16 | daedalus_ | Azar: Did you use that set of iptables rules I gave you? If so, you're good to go. |
| 02:52.17 | matthew-gray | Azar, unprotected in what way? |
| 02:52.26 | RyuKojiro | abrotman: See, that isn't helpful, it's hypocritical |
| 02:52.28 | mwilson | Azar: Yes, if you don't have the minimal brain necessary to have said box behind a firewall while you do it. |
| 02:52.39 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: stop being a fucking ass |
| 02:52.44 | Azar | so far I managed to remove ssh and disconnect any process |
| 02:52.52 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: you have been trolled. |
| 02:52.59 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: IDC |
| 02:53.00 | bgravato | azar: what I said has nothing to do with beauty, I think that using the stable version is probably the most secure choice |
| 02:53.01 | RyuKojiro | abrotman: then you should stop connecting to irc servers .. forever |
| 02:53.05 | pumpitup | ssh unsecure ?? |
| 02:53.08 | FieldySnuts | hahaha |
| 02:53.09 | Punkcut | hey so have any of you debian people noticed that your IRC logs are being picked up viruses on windows boxes? |
| 02:53.12 | abrotman | RyuKojiro: why? because you're a moron ? |
| 02:53.12 | Azar | mwilson how could I set up a firewall before or during installation? |
| 02:53.22 | FieldySnuts | Punkcut: is that a troll, or do you have proof? |
| 02:53.24 | RyuKojiro | hehelol: I don't have any other ppc systems set up to test it on at the moment |
| 02:53.26 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 02:53.28 | Punkcut | Im seriously asking whats going on? this isnt a troll |
| 02:53.28 | PerfDave | Azar: You're making no sense. |
| 02:53.36 | FieldySnuts | Punkcut: where did you hear this |
| 02:53.36 | RyuKojiro | abrotman: No, because you are an asshole |
| 02:53.39 | Punkcut | fieldsnuts : lemme PM you something please |
| 02:53.47 | abrotman | use the pastebot |
| 02:53.48 | FieldySnuts | Punkcut: okay |
| 02:53.52 | Azar | PerfDAve I am reinstalling and there is no firewall set up |
| 02:53.54 | Punkcut | fieldsnuts: my log from norton Antivirus |
| 02:53.55 | PerfDave | Punkcut: I don't have any Windows boxes :) |
| 02:54.00 | PerfDave | Azar: So set one up. |
| 02:54.00 | abrotman | use pastebot! |
| 02:54.09 | FieldySnuts | Punkcut: if it's over a few lines, PLEASE use a paster (such as paste.ca) |
| 02:54.11 | Azar | PerfDave, before installation? makes sense? |
| 02:54.15 | Punkcut | abrotman > im not posting this info on pastebin or anything like that |
| 02:54.22 | PerfDave | Azar: No, install Debian, then install a firewall. |
| 02:54.26 | abrotman | paster only tells us |
| 02:54.42 | hehelol | RyuKojiro: without that control group its difficult to debug, is there the possibility of hacking the mac boot floopy? |
| 02:54.47 | Azar | PerfDave can I stop the installation dialing to get packages for completing installation? |
| 02:54.54 | matthew-gray | Azar, to have a working system you need to install the base and then the stuff you want. You can add the firewall first thing if you want. |
| 02:54.59 | FieldySnuts | Punkcut: okay just beware past about 8 lines or so, my client's gonna ignore you, so do it very slow |
| 02:55.00 | pumpitup | Azar plug in a router between u and the net thatll do f:P |
| 02:55.03 | PerfDave | Azar: You don't need a network connection to install Debian. |
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| 02:55.09 | abrotman | !tell pumpitup about u |
| 02:55.13 | RyuKojiro | hehelol: control group? |
| 02:55.19 | daedalus_ | azar: or go out and grab a $50 linksys/dlink router |
| 02:55.19 | pumpitup | ah man i did it again |
| 02:55.19 | elkid | what it is the name of the daemon takes care about updating nautilus files size |
| 02:55.20 | bgravato | Azar: stable always has support, woody will stop having support in the future, and when that happens you won't have anymore security updates on woody, so it's better to start think in an upgrade for current stable (at the moment - sarge) |
| 02:55.22 | PerfDave | Azar: Do you know what a firewall actually does? Why do you think that having your machine make *outgoing* connections somehow makes it vulnerable? |
| 02:55.29 | matthew-gray | Azar, additionally a system with only base on it has a very very low risk of attack. You are safer than you realize. |
| 02:55.30 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:55.30 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 02:55.34 | Punkcut | /msg fieldysnuts Source: C:\MIRC\logs\#debian.freenode.20050706.log |
| 02:55.35 | Punkcut | Click for more information about this threat : Trojan Horse |
| 02:55.38 | abrotman | haha |
| 02:55.43 | pumpitup | abrotman : sorry i tend to forget |
| 02:55.48 | Punkcut | there |
| 02:55.52 | abrotman | pumpitup: i'll remind you :) |
| 02:55.53 | Punkcut | that should be enough |
| 02:55.55 | pumpitup | lol |
| 02:55.57 | Azar | PerfDAve I do have firewall on my old Win machine |
| 02:56.00 | abrotman | Punkcut: you didn't msg her |
| 02:56.12 | hehelol | hehelol: lol, sorry my bad, science term for a group that is behaving as expected and then you have your test group |
| 02:56.13 | Punkcut | i know |
| 02:56.17 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:56.17 | Punkcut | it went out public |
| 02:56.22 | hehelol | RyuKojiro: lol, sorry my bad, science term for a group that is behaving as expected and then you have your test group |
| 02:56.24 | PerfDave | Azar: Congratulations. Debian isn't Windows, fortunately. Windows machines *are* vulnerable from the second you install them. Debian ones aren't. |
| 02:56.25 | abrotman | uhm .. whatever |
| 02:56.25 | Azar | so Woody will be killed ? |
| 02:56.30 | Punkcut | i cut out a bunch of stuff and was too lazy to cut off the / |
| 02:56.41 | Atula | I mantain a multimedia lab... and they converted to LCD... I got so many free CRT monitors... |
| 02:56.41 | abrotman | Azar: security updates will end in a year roughly |
| 02:56.42 | PerfDave | Azar: Woody will recieve security updates for one year from Sarge's release date. |
| 02:56.42 | Atula | haha |
| 02:56.45 | FieldySnuts | the best i can think of is that norton etc often look for things which set up irc servers, and may consider irc logs of any kind signs of an irc server |
| 02:56.50 | Atula | so I got no manuals... |
| 02:56.55 | FieldySnuts | which is a really dumb assumption, but we are talking symantec here |
| 02:56.55 | RyuKojiro | hehelol: Oh, heh |
| 02:56.55 | Atula | .... doesn't matter |
| 02:57.01 | Azar | PerfDave, this is funny because on May 27 , 1 hour after a fresh reinstall I got rooted |
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| 02:57.06 | matthew-gray | Azar, in time woddy will be dropped. But I fail to see how it is any more secure than Sarge according to your descriptions. |
| 02:57.19 | PerfDave | Azar: Well done, you must have tried very hard to achieve taht. |
| 02:57.20 | skaarj | abrotman > i have warnings about XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RATL> has 2 symbols), is this safe to ignore ? |
| 02:57.21 | Punkcut | fieldysnuts ive got almost 101.7mb of irc logs why is this the first time this has happened |
| 02:57.23 | abrotman | he bitched at us for wasting his time .. |
| 02:57.33 | Azar | since I got rooted I lost confidence somehow |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | skaarj: never seen that |
| 02:57.48 | hehelol | RyuKojiro: I would get a system to boot with your disk, and then you know where you stand, if thats not possible not sure, try to find a tried and tested image on the net if there is one |
| 02:57.53 | matthew-gray | Azar, that's fair what was the attack? |
| 02:57.53 | FieldySnuts | !aolify test |
| 02:57.58 | abrotman | Azar: because woody installs an insecure kernel . but you should always have a router in front |
| 02:57.59 | daedalus_ | azar: depends upon what packages you installed, and whether your password schemes were secure |
| 02:58.02 | skaarj | i guess this is safe to ignore as everything seems to work jsut fine |
| 02:58.08 | Punkcut | fieldysnuts: to top it off the file HAS locked itself off from me in the standard boot mode. Its doing something |
| 02:58.10 | PerfDave | Azar: Really, just understand how networking and security works. Go read up on http://www.netfilter.org/ or read "TCP/IP Illustrated Vol. 1" |
| 02:58.26 | RyuKojiro | hehelol: Okay, I will have to set up one of my performa's |
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| 02:58.34 | PerfDave | Azar: What makes you think you were rooted one hour after install? |
| 02:58.39 | Azar | mattew_gray after logging off completely the router lights started blinking like a massive download, logged back in and /var was gone, system would not reboot |
| 02:58.49 | RyuKojiro | hehelol: Thank you for the great help THAT NOBODY ELSE IN THIS CHANNEL COULD PROVIDE :) |
| 02:58.57 | abrotman | idiot |
| 02:58.57 | FieldySnuts | god, +q this troll please |
| 02:58.58 | hehelol | RyuKojiro: np, gl with it :p |
| 02:59.00 | Azar | PerfDave I guess you were here |
| 02:59.00 | RyuKojiro | But felt it necessary to bother me about |
| 02:59.06 | RyuKojiro | hehelol: Thanks |
| 02:59.08 | abrotman | OH RIGHT |
| 02:59.08 | PerfDave | Azar: And why the hell do you keep reinstalling stuff? |
| 02:59.18 | abrotman | BECAUSE NOONE FUCKING HELPED YOU HERE ASSHOLE |
| 02:59.22 | abrotman | fucking moron |
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| 02:59.26 | Azar | PerfDave because I have no clue how to defend myself |
| 02:59.28 | matthew-gray | Azar, that isn't good proof but it is odd. Did you check you syslogs and such? |
| 02:59.28 | abrotman | if you hadn't asked .. he wouldn't have helped |
| 02:59.30 | Atula | oh noo. how do I get out of the man page... it just goes till the end... and Ctrl-C doesn't work either |
| 02:59.31 | Atula | hehe |
| 02:59.32 | abrotman | fucking moron |
| 02:59.35 | Punkcut | fieldysnuts > Can tou shed any light on this? |
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| 02:59.37 | PerfDave | Azar: Why do you think that reinstalling stuff will help you, if you have no clue? |
| 02:59.40 | Atula | sometimes I have such bad question |
| 02:59.41 | pumpitup | atula : q |
| 02:59.43 | abrotman | how fucking stupid can he be |
| 02:59.49 | Atula | HEY HEY HEY!!! |
| 02:59.51 | Punkcut | Perfdave: because thats how it works in windows |
| 02:59.58 | FieldySnuts | Punkcut: no idea, I have zero experience on possibly compromised windows systems, and I don't know why those logs are there |
| 02:59.59 | initech | Atula: press "q" |
| 03:00.04 | Gnea | !troll Atula |
| 03:00.07 | Atula | ooooo that's a new lesson |
| 03:00.07 | abrotman | and .. from what i gathered .. he didn't even get help |
| 03:00.17 | abrotman | fucking idiot |
| 03:00.19 | bgravato | azar: btw, if you want to upgrade from woody to sarge you don't need to reinstall the system, you can simply do an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:00.23 | hehelol | tbh, just before I came in I was curious if there was going to be any hostility and low and behold there was. I dont know why the debian community is so hostile. |
| 03:00.28 | Azar | I might be a newbie, but at least I use a firewall on the Win machine |
| 03:00.46 | Azar | the problem is, hard to figure out a firewall on Debian terminal |
| 03:00.47 | abrotman | hehelol: because he was an ass ? |
| 03:00.51 | pumpitup | it si true debian ppl are hostile lol |
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| 03:01.01 | abrotman | !tell pumpitup about lol |
| 03:01.04 | matthew-gray | Azar, that is a good start. Always best to have a dedicated firewall if you can. But software is a good start. |
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| 03:01.06 | abrotman | !tell pumpitup about ppl |
| 03:01.09 | bgravato | azar: there are many GUI's for configuring iptables in linux |
| 03:01.12 | skaarj | has anyone experienced this with firefox on gnome : the text from top menu dissapear when mouse is over (white background but no text) ? i know this is the wrong channel but just in case ;) |
| 03:01.15 | Gnea | hehelol: because we're not a bunch of stoned high schoolers? |
| 03:01.17 | PerfDave | Azar: Do you know what a firewall does? |
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| 03:01.24 | pumpitup | GOD DAMN hahahaha and theyre typing maniaks |
| 03:01.28 | Azar | bgravato, I do not have gui, using terminal mode |
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| 03:01.33 | matthew-gray | Azar, once you have a base install there are a number of steps you can take to secure the machine. |
| 03:01.34 | abrotman | skaarj: someone was complaining about that the other day ... |
| 03:01.42 | hehelol | Alot of people apparently are swayed to gentoo on this fact alone |
| 03:01.50 | abrotman | pumpitup: don't make me apostrophe smite you :) |
| 03:01.50 | mwilson | skaarj: Old crapfox bug when combined with the default Gnomecrap theme, get used to it. |
| 03:01.55 | abrotman | hehelol: stop trolling FFS |
| 03:01.56 | pumpitup | lol |
| 03:02.02 | abrotman | !tell pumpitup about lol |
| 03:02.07 | pumpitup | ah shiiit |
| 03:02.17 | skaarj | mwilson > why are you sayong crapfox ? :) |
| 03:02.20 | abrotman | hehelol: if you don't like debian .. don't be here |
| 03:02.23 | skaarj | *saying |
| 03:02.40 | Gnea | hehelol: we tend to find that people who wander around talking the shit that you are doing right now to be the cause of such idiocy - do yourself and all of us a favor and type /quit now |
| 03:02.41 | Azar | I have the feeling that Sarge is not quite secure as Woody was: good looking but not so secure |
| 03:02.41 | Atula | how do I reconfigure the x-windows-system? |
| 03:02.49 | Atula | to get different resolution and stuff |
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| 03:02.53 | Atula | command in shell |
| 03:02.53 | Punkcut | fieldysnuts: this thing is seriously messing with my system. Its trying to make net access on port 4498 |
| 03:02.54 | abrotman | !drxx Atula |
| 03:02.55 | dpkg | Atula: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 03:03.04 | Punkcut | atula: xorgconfig or x11config |
| 03:03.04 | PerfDave | Azar: You're wrong, Sarge is more secure than Woody. |
| 03:03.04 | Atula | thank you |
| 03:03.07 | bgravato | Azar: you can install apache and webmin and use webmin firewall module to configure your firewall rules using you're favourite browser |
| 03:03.19 | PerfDave | The Debian community is one of the most helpful ones I've ever seen. It might not be polite, but it's effective. If people want to go waste their time recompiling their systems every day, then more power to them. At least it stops them coming in here and asking stupid questions and getting all arsey when they don't get their question answered in 3 seconds. |
| 03:03.20 | abrotman | webmin is a tool |
| 03:03.25 | mwilson | Punkcut: What, other than nothing, is either of those supposed to do on Debian? |
| 03:03.26 | matthew-gray | Azar, you have to have much better proof to really decide, but check this link out. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 03:03.26 | FieldySnuts | so are it's users |
| 03:03.41 | pabs3 | any sed/perl guru's in the house? I want to delete a line matching a regex and the line after |
| 03:03.54 | abrotman | there is #perl |
| 03:03.59 | Gnea | hehelol: it's also called: treat others like you would want to be treated. |
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| 03:04.01 | matthew-gray | Azar, there is a lot of info there on secruty steps you can take. It probably goes much much further than you need but it can help you understand the topic better. |
| 03:04.21 | Azar | thanks matthew-gray, the only "reason" not proof is that I have played with Woody for learning for the past 3 years and never ever I was rooted |
| 03:04.24 | PerfDave | pabs3: Should be pretty easy with perl. Hang on. |
| 03:04.34 | Azar | and I have never had to configure firewalls |
| 03:04.36 | abrotman | Azar: you were probably running 2.2.20 |
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| 03:04.45 | hehelol | Gnea: Indeed, I came in to try and help people out, I wasnt much help but atleast I tried. |
| 03:04.46 | Azar | bf2.4 allways |
| 03:04.56 | PerfDave | Azar: (a) You're still not sure that you were rooted. (b) you don't know what a firewall is |
| 03:04.56 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: he's full of shit. |
| 03:04.59 | Gnea | hehelol: so you gonna give up that easiliy then? |
| 03:05.08 | lost | hi all- quick and probably a stupid question... Q: how can i get /var/www/cacti to be webviewable to everyone other then root? Since apache's default document root is /var/www/html? |
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| 03:05.27 | Yabden | you could also download fwbuilder for windows, which is capable of producing iptables firewall scripts, transfer that firewall to your machine, and simply sh it |
| 03:05.29 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: yeah, there's likely a porcelain bowl somewhere with his name written on it with a brownish font |
| 03:05.30 | mwilson | lost: You mean other than by actually learning how to administer Apache? |
| 03:05.37 | Azar | PerfDave, after 53 installs I can notice when a system goes down due to deleted system directories |
| 03:05.38 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: .... |
| 03:05.44 | Azar | and no, I am not so dumb to play in root |
| 03:05.47 | matthew-gray | Azar, it all depends on what you install and how it is set up. Give that a read and see if it helps. I think you find that Sarge is much more solid than you think right now. :-) |
| 03:05.51 | pumpitup | breaaaak me shake meee |
| 03:06.03 | pabs3 | lost: edit httpd.conf and change the DocumentRoot then |
| 03:06.04 | abrotman | that dipshit told #freenode that dpkg was spammoing him |
| 03:06.11 | daedalus_ | Azar, good man, you might find it advisable to take the advice of these folks, especially since you seem to be much less experienced than they. You may have had a bad hiccup, but when the day is done, a little common sense and an once of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I'm not meaning to be patronizing, but your blind attitude is really starting to get on my nerves |
| 03:06.13 | Gnea | abrotman: which one |
| 03:06.15 | Azar | router activity without me even being logged on is a good sign |
| 03:06.21 | abrotman | Gnea: the Ryu-ppc-moron |
| 03:06.28 | abrotman | RyuKojiro |
| 03:06.33 | Yabden | just run netstat and see what is causing it |
| 03:06.41 | Gnea | ooookay |
| 03:06.48 | Gnea | and what is #freenode doing about it? |
| 03:06.59 | FieldySnuts | i'm sure they don't care |
| 03:07.03 | Azar | thanks everyone, sorry for being so down, I was really sad |
| 03:07.09 | FieldySnuts | not exactly a big enough issue to bother an oper about |
| 03:07.14 | matthew-gray | Azar, there are a lot of things that can cause that. I have constant chatter on my cable modem but no breaches. |
| 03:07.19 | PerfDave | Azar: No, router activity without being logged on is *not* a good sign that you've been rooted. Check tcpdump, or iftop, to analyse the traffic. |
| 03:07.20 | Gnea | yeah that's true |
| 03:07.25 | FieldySnuts | if they ask, i triggered one single msg via !tell so and so about smart questions |
| 03:07.26 | Punkcut | fieldsnuts: im going to boot into safe mode and wipe this thing off my system. Im going to look around on the debian forums to see if i can find any trace of this on there. Thank you. |
| 03:07.37 | PerfDave | pabs3: perl -ne 'if ($t) { $t = 0; next }; if (m/REGEXP/) { $t = 1; next }; print' |
| 03:07.48 | FieldySnuts | Punkcut: good luck, thanks for stopping by. be sure and tell debian devs if you find anything relavent |
| 03:07.49 | abrotman | lilo: what? |
| 03:07.49 | Azar | PerfDave I will try my best to learn all that stuff.. |
| 03:07.53 | abrotman | what did i do ? |
| 03:07.57 | Gnea | lilo: problem? |
| 03:07.58 | matthew-gray | I have a woody firewall box that has lasted the past four years. No problems yet :-). |
| 03:07.59 | lilo | abrotman: I see calm people getting insulted |
| 03:08.11 | abrotman | lilo: yes .. i've been insulted :) |
| 03:08.15 | lilo | abrotman: they may not be the world's most clueful people, but they're not crazy people or stupid ones |
| 03:08.16 | Gnea | lilo: perhaps you haven't read scrollback. |
| 03:08.16 | pabs3 | awesome, thanks PerfDave |
| 03:08.24 | lilo | 1120705581 <abrotman> Gnea: the Ryu-ppc-moron |
| 03:08.29 | Punkcut | Fieldysnuts: lol its real easy for these things to cover their tracks in obscurity. But if i find anything useful ill be sure to make a post on the forums |
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| 03:08.38 | abrotman | lilo: when you insinuate that you're not helped by people in the channel .. after somone in the channel helps you .. that tends to happen |
| 03:08.57 | lilo | abrotman: when people have patience they can improve the impression people get of their support |
| 03:09.01 | mwilson | lilo: Just to interject something... have you ever hung out in an Ubuntu forum for any length of time? |
| 03:09.14 | lilo | mwilson: yep |
| 03:09.23 | pumpitup | lilo an op in here? |
| 03:09.23 | abrotman | lilo: we all tried .. he wouldn't explain his problem . then accused us of being nonhelpful .. |
| 03:09.35 | abrotman | pumpitup: he's an op everywhere! |
| 03:09.40 | pumpitup | cuz everyone seems to be careful when hesa around |
| 03:09.46 | lilo | 1120705360 <Gnea> hehelol: we tend to find that people who wander around talking the shit that you are doing right now to be the cause of such idiocy - do yourself and all of us a favor and type /quit now |
| 03:09.47 | Gnea | lilo: for the record, i wasn't even paying attention to this channel or typing in here when the ryu-guy had his little episode |
| 03:09.51 | mwilson | Then, of course, it turned out hos problem was non-Debian-related in the first place. |
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| 03:09.55 | Punkcut | abrotman: did he refuse to explain his problem, or did he try and just not do it the correct linux way? |
| 03:10.01 | lilo | I'm not talking about the support |
| 03:10.04 | Gnea | lilo: yeah, read what he said |
| 03:10.04 | lilo | I'm talking about the insults |
| 03:10.09 | abrotman | lilo: wrong guy |
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| 03:10.11 | lilo | Gnea: and you made it *better*? |
| 03:10.19 | Gnea | lilo: i made a suggestion. |
| 03:10.19 | lilo | ah, well, this is not my problem, guys ;) |
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| 03:10.26 | Gnea | that is true ;) |
| 03:10.26 | abrotman | lilo: that guy was saying we have bad attitudes :) |
| 03:10.31 | lilo | abrotman: yes |
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| 03:10.41 | abrotman | lilo: right .. not the Ryu guy |
| 03:10.50 | mwilson | lilo: I'd like to know where the clued Ubuntu forum is... the only ones I've ever been in make linuxquestions.org look clued. |
| 03:11.04 | lilo | abrotman: the Ryu guy is getting insulted here... on #freenode he's just saying that somebody is harassing him through dpkg and he'd like it to stop |
| 03:11.06 | FieldySnuts | lilo: if this is the same person who complained about dpkg spamming him, I triggered a message via !tell whoever-he-was about smart questions , which is not an insulting factoid, he was communicating poorly |
| 03:11.09 | lilo | abrotman: the combination is not promising |
| 03:11.19 | abrotman | lilo: no .. we told him stuff via dpkg .. like so many other people |
| 03:11.21 | matthew-gray | so any debian+kerberos users in tonight? |
| 03:11.29 | lilo | abrotman: apparently a lot of people told him stuff via dpkg ;) |
| 03:11.31 | abrotman | lilo: what he was told i don't know .. so maybe it was insulting to him |
| 03:11.44 | lilo | abrotman: I doubt it was the content, I gather it was the quantity ;) |
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| 03:12.03 | FieldySnuts | um, he could use ignore like any of the rest of us? |
| 03:12.05 | abrotman | lilo: from my logs .. i gather he was told something once |
| 03:12.09 | lost | if i change the document root to /var/www instead of /var/www/html is there any security risks? |
| 03:12.16 | Snig64 | hi... I am having the following problem. when I do ls -l, I get the following |
| 03:12.17 | Snig64 | drw-r--r-- 5 brian2 aric 4096 May 20 17:44 |
| 03:12.20 | wolfdream | abrotman,daedalus: I tried the floppy install, and d-i still can't find my CD-ROM |
| 03:12.21 | lilo | abrotman: I see |
| 03:12.23 | Snig64 | i did chown -R brian2 . |
| 03:12.25 | mwilson | lost: Why do you think you need to be running Apache? |
| 03:12.27 | abrotman | lilo: you'd have to have someone verify that .. the only thing i see is !tell Ryu---- about smart questions |
| 03:12.33 | Snig64 | but aric is still showing and I am logged in as root |
| 03:12.43 | mwilson | abrotman: That doesn't stop people from msg-ing the bot directly. |
| 03:12.45 | daedalus_ | matthew-gray: yep |
| 03:12.46 | abrotman | lilo: i had him on ignore for a bit .. i could have missed it |
| 03:12.49 | lilo | abrotman: if you can see all of the logs, I guess I don't have to have somebody verify it ;) |
| 03:12.51 | abrotman | mwilson: oh .. you're right |
| 03:12.52 | FieldySnuts | and I am the one who did the smart questions bit, because it would help him convey his problem. he gave us an acronym we didn't understand. |
| 03:12.57 | lost | mwilson- cause im running linux with Cacti |
| 03:12.59 | lilo | abrotman: he's talking via /msg |
| 03:13.05 | Gnea | lilo: well that's what dpkg is for - to provide help. someone asks a known question, we use it. if someone complains about it, then they need to learn how it works |
| 03:13.12 | abrotman | lilo: right .. i can only see when someone has dpkg tell him in the channel |
| 03:13.15 | mwilson | lost: Yes, and why do you think you need to be running Apache? |
| 03:13.17 | lilo | abrotman: ah |
| 03:13.20 | matthew-gray | daedalus_, have you found any good adduser scripts for it? |
| 03:13.31 | abrotman | lilo: if i /msg dpkg tell lilo about stuff .. noone else sees it |
| 03:13.33 | PerfDave | lilo: You'd have to ask dondelelcaro for dpkg's own logs |
| 03:13.42 | matthew-gray | daedalus_, I would like to see if there is one, but no luck on google |
| 03:13.47 | FieldySnuts | is it really worth all this fuss? |
| 03:13.49 | PerfDave | I didn't think that dpkg did tell via PM, it's a bit odd. |
| 03:13.56 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: not really |
| 03:13.57 | lilo | PerfDave: no idea |
| 03:14.04 | abrotman | lilo: i can only save what i have regarding him .. |
| 03:14.04 | daedalus_ | matthew-gray: oh, for the kca?, I don't have one, but I leave the kadmin stuff to another guy in the office :) |
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| 03:14.07 | FieldySnuts | it'd be one thing if we told him to go [multiple outrageously disgusting comments about his mother], but really |
| 03:14.12 | Gnea | it doesn't matter |
| 03:14.13 | abrotman | lilo: but only from the main channel |
| 03:14.18 | lost | mwilson- cause the rest of my network montioring software is on linux :) Do u want me to go windoze :o |
| 03:14.19 | PerfDave | Most bots IME don't, because of the potential for abuse :) |
| 03:14.22 | Gnea | this is ALL detracting from the main purpose on this channel. |
| 03:14.23 | daedalus_ | matthew-gray: SOrry |
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| 03:14.34 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Your mother was an Ubuntu user, and your father reeked of Gentoo! |
| 03:14.37 | mwilson | lost: I couldn't care in the slightest whether you run Linux, Windows, or MacOS. |
| 03:14.38 | lilo | anyway, all I'm saying, fwiw, is that people here do tend to respond in kind, or more than in kind, often enough that there's a consistent impression created |
| 03:14.41 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: yep. he started out as a troll, and has done very well in continuing to troll while outside the channel. |
| 03:14.49 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: the gentoo bit i can deal with |
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| 03:14.53 | matthew-gray | daedalus_, no biggie, I was hoping to find a module or some thing like that |
| 03:14.54 | Snig64 | any help with the chown command? |
| 03:15.03 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: he even got lilo tripped up. that's rare. |
| 03:15.07 | pabs3 | lost: probably best to alias the cacti dir in if you have stuff u don't want exposed in /ver/www/ - http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_alias.html |
| 03:15.07 | mwilson | Snig64: Sure. man chown |
| 03:15.08 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: yep |
| 03:15.12 | daedalus_ | snig64: what up? |
| 03:15.15 | Snig64 | didnt find any info |
| 03:15.16 | FieldySnuts | at least that's our viewpoint. have fun. |
| 03:15.19 | Snig64 | or the info i needed |
| 03:15.20 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:15.24 | lost | mwilson- so what webserver would u prefer to run? |
| 03:15.28 | daedalus_ | Snig64: Well, what's the problem? |
| 03:15.37 | mwilson | lost: And you don't think you need to learn how to administer Apache because...? |
| 03:16.04 | Snig64 | it didnt have the answer I was looking for |
| 03:16.09 | initech | lost: you're using cacti? have you looked at munin? |
| 03:16.11 | abrotman | lilo: if you want what i have .. i guess i can get it to you .. but i did have him on ignore for a while |
| 03:16.13 | Snig64 | drw-r--r-- 5 brian2 aric 4096 May 20 17:44 |
| 03:16.18 | Snig64 | i did chown -R brian2 . |
| 03:16.20 | lilo | abrotman: no big |
| 03:16.22 | Snig64 | but aric is still showing and I am logged in as root |
| 03:16.25 | abrotman | lilo: ok |
| 03:16.25 | lost | mwilson- i know how to use apache...anyways thanks for nuttin :) |
| 03:16.26 | PerfDave | Snig64: Why don't you tell us what problem you're having, and we can see if we can give you the answers :) |
| 03:16.41 | mwilson | lost: Except that you don't, of course. |
| 03:16.41 | lost | pabs3- thanks...i'll look into alias |
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| 03:16.44 | daedalus_ | Snig64: -R is a recursive chown |
| 03:16.45 | coywolf | !lvm |
| 03:16.46 | dpkg | lvm is, like, at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 03:16.48 | pumpitup | loool wooow since lilo came alive the support has gone up 300% |
| 03:16.51 | PerfDave | Snig64: chown will change the user, not the group. If you want to change the group, use chgrp. |
| 03:16.55 | daedalus_ | Snig64: -r removes read |
| 03:16.55 | pumpitup | oh crap said lol again |
| 03:17.01 | initech | lol |
| 03:17.02 | mwilson | PerfDave: Uh, since when? |
| 03:17.09 | FieldySnuts | pumpitup: it has? |
| 03:17.09 | pumpitup | abrotman : punish me |
| 03:17.11 | Yabden | this channel is usually pretty good about support |
| 03:17.13 | lost | mwilson- must be having a bad day today? |
| 03:17.20 | Snig64 | got it |
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| 03:17.22 | Snig64 | thank you |
| 03:17.25 | Snig64 | never heard of chgrp :D |
| 03:17.28 | FieldySnuts | Yabden: yes. if you are on topic, provide clear details, and tell us what you want. otherwise, yes, we tend to get irritated. |
| 03:17.29 | daedalus_ | Snig64: The man page details that much pretty clearly. |
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| 03:17.35 | PerfDave | mwilson: The command he's used will not change the group. chown *can* change the group, but not the way he's called it. |
| 03:17.52 | abrotman | pumpitup: in a minute :) |
| 03:17.56 | Punkcut | fieldsnuts: i quarantined the trojan |
| 03:17.56 | PerfDave | mwilson: Oh, do piss off, I'm trying to help someone for once :p |
| 03:17.57 | Snig64 | daedalus_: didn't see that in SME server. SO I apologize |
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| 03:18.12 | Gnea | !rules |
| 03:18.12 | dpkg | methinks rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 03:18.24 | daedalus_ | Snig64: No problem. I didn't understand your question very well. Had some problems filtering it out of the wash. My bad |
| 03:18.58 | Punkcut | fieldysnuts: see above |
| 03:19.14 | bgravato | lilo, abrotman, Gnea, everyone else: most agressive dialogs start because of misunderstandings, and many people don't have english as primary language (like me) and sometimes they get misunderstood, if someone seems to be trolling or whatever, do not jump on him right away, at most just ignore. i've always liked the quote "ignore the lame and they will go away" (most of the times it works) |
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| 03:19.33 | Snig64 | daedalus_: no problem. have a good day/night. thanks for your help. |
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| 03:19.49 | wolfdream | I have a zero channel raid controller (2005) and a 2100s. When using [CD,netinst,floppy,usb][linux,linux26,expert,expert26] the install always fails after keyboard selection, stating it cannot find my CD-ROM (which, in the case of the CD and netinst images I booted from). Help, please. |
| 03:19.58 | FieldySnuts | !lart grip for hanging on a blank cd |
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| 03:20.21 | pumpitup | vive le quebec libre :) |
| 03:20.36 | Yabden | have you tried switching terminals and mounting your cd-rom? |
| 03:20.52 | challenged | wolfdream: try linux26 and when it boots go to altf2 console and modprobe the driver manually for the 2100S |
| 03:21.02 | bgravato | I think rule 5) should be 1) |
| 03:21.03 | wolfdream | Yabden: yes |
| 03:21.57 | Punkcut | bgravato agreed |
| 03:22.10 | Gnea | bgravato: that's all fine and good, but sometimes there's the user is so frustrated that it takes a bit of personality to cut through the BS, so instead of blanketly affirming to something like that, I'll deal with it with my own methods until *I* feel that the time is right for *ME* to ignore that person. IOW, when all else fails, then ignore, cuz not trying is a sign of weakness, unintelligence and uneducated. |
| 03:22.29 | wolfdream | challenged: so, that would be "modprobe dpt_i20"? |
| 03:22.39 | Yabden | perhaps try to boot into expert mode and select only the drivers you need |
| 03:22.45 | Yabden | incase another module is screwing up access |
| 03:23.01 | Yabden | that is a common problem with cdroms on sata systems |
| 03:23.08 | Gnea | bgravato: that isn't to say that i don't know when to flat-out ignore someone who's just looking for trouble. |
| 03:23.24 | Atula | ah what the hell did I do wrong? the display is weird on my monitor. I got a 19" DELL CRT... and an ATI Radeon 7000 ... after configuring xfree86... the monitor is only showing part of the display (I don't know if that makes any sense). It's like the desktop is bigger than the monitor... and so the monitor screen is like a small window displaying a small art of the desktop... I have to move the mouse to the edge of the screen to ge |
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| 03:23.28 | coywolf | anyone uses lvm? |
| 03:23.36 | wolfdream | Yabden: yeppers... I tried that. |
| 03:23.41 | Gnea | Atula: what driver are you using? |
| 03:23.51 | Atula | I'm just doing a generic one |
| 03:23.57 | Atula | following the default |
| 03:23.58 | daedalus_ | Atula: Heh. your desktop size is bigger than your monitors resolution |
| 03:24.03 | Yabden | disable virtual screens |
| 03:24.08 | Gnea | coywolf: not yet... |
| 03:24.08 | lost | initech- havent checked out munin...i've only used MRTG, Ntop, and cacti |
| 03:24.12 | Gnea | !tell coywolf about lvm |
| 03:24.20 | coywolf | anyone uses lvm? (is lvm widely used) Gnea |
| 03:24.24 | challenged | wolfdream, i havent checked the driver name but try it, if its right it should load in lsmod and then continue the module probe on altf1 again |
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| 03:24.59 | challenged | wolfdream, not sure what tools you get on netinst so lspci/lsmod etc may not be there.......dmesg may be tho to give you driver output info |
| 03:25.03 | Gnea | coywolf: i think, that due to a plethora of problems and dead hard drive media, that LVM isn't as widely used at it perhaps should be |
| 03:25.26 | Atula | .... soo any other comments? |
| 03:25.33 | challenged | coywolf: alot of the mythtv users use LVM and XFS as their main stores |
| 03:25.42 | Yabden | Atula: disable virtual screens, that is what is causing that |
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| 03:25.51 | bgravato | gnea: i just mean to say that sometimes we misunderstand others intentions and start unnecessary discussions that could be avoided |
| 03:25.52 | Gnea | Atula: the generic? the one that came with the X server? |
| 03:25.58 | Atula | how would I do that, dear friend? |
| 03:26.02 | coywolf | Gnea, what do you mean b y dead hard drive media? |
| 03:26.16 | wolfdream | challenged: thanxs, I'm going to do the best I can... I'm not real conversant in lsmod,modprobe, etc... |
| 03:26.18 | Atula | Yabden, how do I disable it? |
| 03:26.26 | Gnea | bgravato: right, the trick is to catch that ahead of time - but we're only human, we're not perfect, so we accept that and move on |
| 03:26.29 | coywolf | challenged, who are mythtv? |
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| 03:26.49 | Agrajag- | yeah.. i use mythtv and i also use lvm |
| 03:26.53 | challenged | coywolf: mythtv is like TIVO for linux....record tv to hdd |
| 03:26.56 | Agrajag- | lvm is a cool idea |
| 03:26.58 | Gnea | coywolf: many years ago admins were testing the lvm out and many scsi disks were lost from the arrays |
| 03:27.07 | Yabden | edit /etc/X11/xfree86.conf |
| 03:27.08 | bgravato | atula: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and uncheck resolutions bigger than the one your monitor supports |
| 03:27.14 | Yabden | or do that |
| 03:27.19 | Gnea | coywolf: whether or not its stability has increased, i do not know. |
| 03:27.23 | mdh | any DD's care to check out my package before I make an idiot of myself on debian-mentors? ;) |
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| 03:27.39 | daedalus_ | Yabden, !!!! you don't want to hand edit that. bork dpkg-reconfigure, you will. |
| 03:27.59 | coywolf | Gnea, lol |
| 03:27.59 | Yabden | yeah that is why i hesitated on the response, was sure there was a better way of doing it |
| 03:28.11 | Gnea | coywolf: well, you asked :) |
| 03:28.23 | challenged | wolfdream: im investigating a little for you atm..... |
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| 03:28.42 | jbmigel | howcome 1/2 the time i run nethack via ssh to my server, after ending game and connection i still have nethack-console processes running at 100% in "TOP"?? I have to kill them manually now but i would like them to not show up again |
| 03:28.47 | challenged | wolfdream: you have a asr-2100S yah? |
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| 03:29.31 | Draconicus | Word of advice: NEVER, EVER TRY TO USE ANY DELL HARDWARE... EVER |
| 03:29.33 | pumpitup | miam ice cream sandwiches |
| 03:29.45 | bgravato | gnea: i also think that people shouldn't volunteer to help if they do not feel patient |
| 03:29.50 | Draconicus | I was so happy after building a custom machine in a Tandy case. It was a wonderful accomplishment. |
| 03:30.03 | Draconicus | Hooray, I used a tiny Dell motherboard because it was conveniently compact and had onboard stuff. |
| 03:30.21 | FieldySnuts | Draconicus: yep learned that lesson |
| 03:30.23 | mdh | Draconicus: Dell helpfully put a standard warning on their website to encourage you not to use them |
| 03:30.25 | Draconicus | I was simply OVERJOYED to find that the INTEL graphics chip could not be supported. |
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| 03:30.27 | Gnea | bgravato: that's usually how it is |
| 03:30.40 | Gnea | bgravato: if i feel patient, i'll help |
| 03:30.52 | mdh | "Dell recommends Microsoft Windows XP" |
| 03:30.54 | Draconicus | Only the smallest resolution and color depth works. |
| 03:31.02 | Draconicus | Eek. |
| 03:31.07 | Guerin | Draconicus: no linux support for it? or none in debian? |
| 03:31.12 | Yabden | be happy your power supply worked, in the past dell used their own 12v power plug, that conveniently only worked with dell psus |
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| 03:31.19 | pumpitup | gotta say abrotman and mfrisch are pretty patient and very very helpful if you rub them the right way ;) |
| 03:31.24 | Gnea | bgravato: again, like i said, no one is perfect, that has to be allowed, otherwise it deteriorates the system. |
| 03:31.42 | abrotman | pumpitup: i'm always patient up to a certain point :) |
| 03:31.54 | FieldySnuts | yikes. trying to write CD's using cfq scheduler sucks |
| 03:32.09 | pumpitup | abrotman : making progress i typed "u" backspaced it and typed "you" :D |
| 03:32.09 | abrotman | pumpitup: i used to help the same person for hours |
| 03:32.11 | mdh | FieldySnuts: yep. use deadline |
| 03:32.16 | Gnea | bgravato: and not knowing your breaking point only causes more problems |
| 03:32.21 | Atula | I rub you, abrotman... all over... |
| 03:32.26 | FieldySnuts | going back to default for SMP, whatever that is |
| 03:32.29 | Atula | sorry sorry.... I got carried away |
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| 03:32.39 | abrotman | pumpitup: either the problems aren't as complicated .. or i'm not as patient anymore . haven't figured out which |
| 03:32.40 | Draconicus | Guerin: Sadly no. X gets confused with the resolution, going on about the driver not supporting when I use "generic VGA compatable", and other drivers wouldn't work. I'm going to try to cram a P2 board with cards into it and hope that works. |
| 03:32.43 | pumpitup | atula : there is such a thing as being just plain gay |
| 03:32.45 | pumpitup | :P |
| 03:32.50 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 03:32.50 | ayah | i have a problem with changing i/o device and event number. i have a usb mouse and a usb tablet. on boot-up, the usbmouse is mouse0, event1 and the tablet is mouse1, event2. but after i go online with my usb ADSL router, the usb mouse is mouse1, event1 and the tablet is mouse2, event3. for this reason, the tablet cannot work. any way to solve this? |
| 03:32.50 | mdh | FieldySnuts: just change the elevator for your cd burner to deadline, leave the rest of the system as cfq |
| 03:33.01 | Atula | hey now.... debian users are gays too.... |
| 03:33.03 | pumpitup | abrotman : pms :P |
| 03:33.07 | Atula | I like the gays |
| 03:33.09 | Atula | they're cute... |
| 03:33.10 | abrotman | !tell pumpitup about gay |
| 03:33.14 | Yabden | you could just pick up a cheap pci video card |
| 03:33.16 | pumpitup | ah man again |
| 03:33.16 | Guerin | Draconicus: /msg dpkg tardware |
| 03:33.19 | bgravato | gnea: i agree, anyway, i'm not saying that you or abrotman are not patient, i was speaking just in general :) |
| 03:33.22 | Gnea | Atula: you are trolling. please stop. |
| 03:33.28 | jbmigel | I dont understand how i could have nethack-console process active after I have shut down game in console, it runs at 100% and screws up my powernow how can i stop runaway process?? |
| 03:33.39 | Yabden | i use a voodoo3 in one of my computers (that has crappy video), works great |
| 03:33.39 | Atula | It's from family guy |
| 03:33.41 | abrotman | bgravato: that guy wasn't very helpful |
| 03:33.42 | Atula | a qoute |
| 03:33.42 | Guerin | jbmigel: man kill |
| 03:33.43 | Atula | jeez |
| 03:34.02 | pumpitup | radeon 7000 pci works great too |
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| 03:34.12 | abrotman | if i think he's talking about what i think he is |
| 03:34.15 | Atula | !pm lilo |
| 03:34.17 | jbmigel | Guerin yes i know how to kill the processes... I was hoping to find solution to problem if possible not cure for symptom |
| 03:34.18 | challenged | anyone happen to know what 2.6 kernel the netinst uses? |
| 03:34.28 | Guerin | jbmigel: find out why it's mnot dying cleanly |
| 03:34.32 | pumpitup | had a board with i810 video chipset crappy :S |
| 03:34.34 | abrotman | challenged: 2.6.8-2 |
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| 03:34.45 | Gnea | bgravato: but see, sometimes crybaby-tactics have to be dealt with at one point or another |
| 03:34.47 | Atula | how do I make the bot tells someone about private messaging? |
| 03:34.48 | Yabden | yep that is the same chipset the computer of mine has |
| 03:34.48 | Guerin | llama32: haha. I got debian |
| 03:34.52 | Atula | hm... I like to do that |
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| 03:35.01 | Guerin | llama32: then i tried to do it to get gentoo, and came up as debian again ... |
| 03:35.14 | Yabden | you could set up a cron job t kill the nethack processes.... that isnt very elegant though |
| 03:35.15 | challenged | abrotman, for the installer environment? just confirming |
| 03:35.16 | Atula | by the way, my video display problem is not solved |
| 03:35.24 | jbmigel | Guerin how to find out that? |
| 03:35.25 | pumpitup | Yabden : i810? |
| 03:35.26 | llama32 | Guerin: your the obsessive compulsive type? apt-get complains about everything >:( |
| 03:35.28 | Atula | what should I try next? |
| 03:35.30 | Yabden | yeah i810 |
| 03:35.32 | bgravato | jbmigel: have you checked for bug reports on that? if there isn't any send one :) |
| 03:35.35 | abrotman | challenged: i'm pretty sure |
| 03:35.37 | Yabden | 366mhz celeron |
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| 03:35.51 | Atula | I have a 19" CRT monitor... a RADEON 7000.... |
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| 03:36.02 | Wyzard | challenged: The installer kernel isn't any different from the "normal" kernel in sarge |
| 03:36.07 | Gnea | Atula: what kernel? |
| 03:36.07 | FieldySnuts | ati is generally an annoyance to set up in linux, especially with ati's own drivers |
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| 03:36.13 | challenged | abrotman, cool, trying to work out why the 2100s doesnt autodetect |
| 03:36.19 | Guerin | jbmigel: does it keep logs? strace it, etc. |
| 03:36.20 | pumpitup | Yabden : heh now its easily supported but back in the old woody days and old Xfree i had a real hard time |
| 03:36.22 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 03:36.22 | dpkg | ipw2100 is probably a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. |
| 03:36.27 | abrotman | challenged: ^^ that ? |
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| 03:36.31 | phealy | anyone here have experience with bluetooth HID devices? |
| 03:36.32 | Guerin | llama32: not really. |
| 03:36.36 | mdh | FieldySnuts: echo deadline > /sys/block/hdd/queue/scheduler |
| 03:36.38 | Atula | Gnea, 2.6 |
| 03:36.41 | phealy | I can get them to pair, but they're extremely laggy and jumpy. |
| 03:36.43 | Yabden | eh id rather just use my voodoo3, it needs a good home anyways |
| 03:36.45 | challenged | Wyzard, yeah i thought that but just wanted to confirm.....I2o drivers only work in 2.6.4+ i think |
| 03:36.54 | pumpitup | FieldySnuts : curiously never had any problems ...maybe with the new vid cards the x... series |
| 03:36.55 | FieldySnuts | mdh: not worried about it, shutting down tonight, i just removed the elevator argument from my bootloader |
| 03:37.10 | Gnea | Atula: /msg dpkg ati |
| 03:37.23 | challenged | abrotman, nah adaptec/dpt raid card driver ..... |
| 03:37.23 | mdh | FieldySnuts: cfq is pretty good on hard drives though. leave it the default for them, just set the cd to deadline ) |
| 03:37.32 | abrotman | challenged: ah ok .. |
| 03:37.36 | abrotman | challenged: which chipset ? |
| 03:37.38 | FieldySnuts | i'll pass |
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| 03:37.48 | mdh | deadline is nasty on your hard drives :P |
| 03:37.51 | challenged | abrotman, its an asr-2100s which is a I2o |
| 03:37.52 | bgravato | gnea: each person has it's way of dealing with them, sometime ago i adopted the tactic of ignoring them, it's the one that works better for my nerves :) but each should find the best way of dealing with it |
| 03:38.15 | llama32 | Guerin: i wash my hands a lot, get annoyed by doors that are almost closed but not completely, and i clean the toilet seat before i sit on it, and i still got windows ME :| |
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| 03:38.16 | abrotman | challenged: are you sure ? .. it's sata ? |
| 03:38.27 | abrotman | or an old scsi controller ? |
| 03:38.31 | challenged | abrotman, 68pin scsi raid |
| 03:38.40 | challenged | abrotman, 4-5 year old adaptec |
| 03:38.42 | abrotman | challenged: does 2.4 work ? |
| 03:38.46 | Guerin | llama32: you should have gotten OSX |
| 03:38.50 | findii_ | halo |
| 03:38.52 | Gnea | bgravato: i used to use that one too, eventually it became too much, so then i learned how to create a balance rather than leaning one way or another too far :) |
| 03:39.08 | coywolf | how to know lvm is used or not? |
| 03:39.09 | Gnea | bgravato: IOW, my problems only escalated when i ignored too much |
| 03:39.16 | challenged | abrotman, theres a hack on a 2.2 kernel line that works apparently but no 2.4 from what im reading on the google |
| 03:39.19 | FieldySnuts | high altitude low opening? |
| 03:39.19 | bgravato | abrotman: i used to be more patient before and i spent a lot of a time in help channels, but after a while we got full of the same complains all the time, and the usual trolls and we loose some patience, i think the trick is to take vacations on helping for a while :) |
| 03:39.36 | llama32 | Guerin: ooh i like pretty colours and translucency, ME is like the opposite of me :( |
| 03:39.42 | abrotman | bgravato: i need a vacation ? |
| 03:39.42 | Guerin | ... |
| 03:39.58 | Gnea | bgravato: haha vacations are great! but then so are bots to keep general info inline so we don't have to repeat ourselves :) |
| 03:40.00 | abrotman | challenged: debconf/priority=medium ? |
| 03:40.11 | Atula | um, I only installed x-window-system, fluxbox and sudo.... is there another package that I need to make it displays correctly? |
| 03:40.13 | challenged | abrotman, i cant see any reason other than the netinst not dealing.....sorta makes it hard to install on a server using raid hehe |
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| 03:40.28 | abrotman | challenged: also you can ask #debian-boot |
| 03:40.30 | pumpitup | lol one time i made the mistake of setting debconf to lox :S |
| 03:40.31 | Yabden | Atula: what is wrong with your display? |
| 03:40.34 | pumpitup | *low |
| 03:40.38 | abrotman | !tell pumpitup about lol |
| 03:40.44 | pumpitup | ahhhh damnnnnnnnnn |
| 03:40.45 | challenged | abrotman, yeah ill check a little more and check bts etc first |
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| 03:40.59 | coywolf | shinji-kun, how to know lvm is used or not? (as a normal user) |
| 03:41.02 | Atula | Yabden, the resolution is huge.... so I have to hover my mouse to the edge of the monitor to go to the edge of the desktop |
| 03:41.04 | Atula | it's weird |
| 03:41.05 | nvz | this program is going to have me spending a lot of time reoganizing the meta-data of my music collection. especially genre and dates |
| 03:41.08 | Atula | I've never seen it before |
| 03:41.09 | bgravato | gnea: bots/scripts are very helpful indeed |
| 03:41.22 | Wyzard | coywolf: Run "mount" and look at the device names |
| 03:41.23 | Atula | I've tried lowering everything.... but it still looks so weird |
| 03:41.25 | llama32 | grr, computer guy came to get the sound working in XP now it wont work in Linux (nor in XP) >:( |
| 03:41.48 | Yabden | Atula: have you tried doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as said earlier? |
| 03:41.49 | doleyb | Atula: how did you lower? have you done control-alt-numpadplus and xrandr ? |
| 03:42.17 | bgravato | abrotman: maybe, it worked for me, i feel more patient again now, (as long as i don't come in here more than twice a month :P) |
| 03:42.31 | Yabden | yeah you may want to try alt ctrl + and alt ctrl - |
| 03:42.44 | abrotman | bgravato: you saw a single instance with me . i've been here most of the day .. and quite nice all day .. that guy was a rotten egg |
| 03:42.49 | coywolf | Wyzard, could you show me your mount result? if you have lvm |
| 03:42.50 | wolfdream | ok... I've tried the lsmod in altf2, and it can't seem to find dpt_i20 |
| 03:43.15 | abrotman | bgravato: you could ask others here to see if i'm generally a nice guy .. they may/may not agree |
| 03:43.23 | abrotman | bgravato: i'd think i'm pretty jovial |
| 03:43.28 | bgravato | abrotman: it wasn't because of that guy, it was because of what you said, about being less patient now |
| 03:43.29 | Atula | nope nothing work |
| 03:43.35 | Wyzard | coywolf: If you see devices in /dev/mapper, those are device-mapper devices... LVM is the most common thing that uses device-mapper |
| 03:43.43 | abrotman | bgravato: oh .. i said i'm not sure that i am |
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| 03:43.52 | Atula | doleyb, I tried, but it didn't work |
| 03:44.21 | coywolf | Wyzard, i don't have lvm, but I wonder what it look like |
| 03:44.23 | Atula | I installed x-window-system/fluxbox... that should do it, right? |
| 03:44.28 | Atula | hm... this is weird |
| 03:44.43 | Yabden | you have to configure them, fluxbox is just a window manager |
| 03:44.50 | Wyzard | coywolf: Instead of the device being something like /dev/hda1, it'll be something like /dev/mapper/<something> |
| 03:45.06 | Wyzard | coywolf: where the <something> is based on the name of the volume group and the logical volume |
| 03:45.35 | bgravato | abrotman: anyway i have no reason to doubt that you're a nice helpful person ;) |
| 03:45.43 | abrotman | bgravato: i try :) |
| 03:45.45 | coywolf | Wyzard, on a box, i saw /dev/mapper/control |
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| 03:45.56 | abrotman | bgravato: i've been told i have great debstats! |
| 03:45.57 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:46.14 | coywolf | Wyzard, but mount doesn't show me that |
| 03:46.26 | hoopy | I cannot get ruby gems to install correctly on debian, is there anybody here that is running ruby on rails on their debian box that could assist me on getting rails to work on my box? |
| 03:46.27 | bgravato | abrotman: oh! so you're here for the stats.. i see.. (just kidding :P) |
| 03:46.37 | abrotman | bgravato: i didn't know about stats for a long time |
| 03:46.49 | Wyzard | coywolf: That's just the control interface for the device-mapper... tools (like LVM) use that to create and manipulate logical volumes |
| 03:46.59 | migma | boom |
| 03:47.02 | Wyzard | coywolf: That's just the control interface for the device-mapper... tools (like LVM) use that to create and manipulate logical volumes |
| 03:47.18 | coywolf | Wyzard, hmm, thanks |
| 03:47.26 | Wyzard | coywolf: If that exists, the device-mapper support is loaded, but if there's nothing else in /dev/mapper, then it isn't actually in use |
| 03:47.36 | bgravato | abrotman: i used to have the same symptons - my nick showing all over the stats ;) |
| 03:47.47 | abrotman | bgravato: not since i've been here |
| 03:47.51 | orchid | whats the difference between /var/spool/mail/orchid and /var/mail/orchid? $MAIL is set to the latter |
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| 03:47.55 | Wyzard | coywolf: Note that LVM isn't the only thing that uses device-mapper -- for example, I use encrypted swap via cryptsetup, so my swap device is /dev/mapper/cswap -- but it's the most common one |
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| 03:48.06 | mngrif | where's debstats located? |
| 03:48.15 | abrotman | !debstats |
| 03:48.15 | dpkg | debstats is, like, managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 03:48.18 | wolfdream | ok... I've tried the lsmod in altf2, and it can't seem to find dpt_i20 |
| 03:48.19 | bgravato | abrotman: not in here, but in portuguese irc network linuxhelp channels (and others) |
| 03:48.23 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 03:48.26 | mngrif | thanks |
| 03:48.35 | abrotman | night peoples |
| 03:48.41 | coywolf | Wyzard, why bother to use encrypted swap? |
| 03:48.43 | bgravato | bye, me going too |
| 03:50.19 | Wyzard | coywolf: so I don't have to worry about whether processes working with sensitive data are getting swapped out |
| 03:50.24 | daedalus_ | wolfdream: have you poked about in /lib/modules to see if something similar exists? |
| 03:50.42 | wolfdream | daedalus_: not yet... brb |
| 03:51.11 | Wyzard | coywolf: It's of limited benefit since my filesystems are unencrypted, but it's easy to set up and has essentially no performance impact (I have 768MB RAM so my swap doesn't get used much anyway), so I might as well |
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| 03:51.25 | skaarj | (for my fifefox, this was a gnome themes problem) |
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| 03:51.40 | Gnea | 7 Gnea_USian_Troll 804 |
| 03:51.47 | Gnea | i vaguely remember someone doing that |
| 03:52.01 | skaarj | why there is a "Debian menu" on gnome with nothing in it ? |
| 03:52.12 | jaymes | anyone know of a really good CRM for linux that either runs on or can be ported to windows? |
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| 03:52.32 | bgravato | bye |
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| 03:52.36 | jaymes | it must sync with outlook & be usuable for road warriors |
| 03:52.46 | daedalus_ | skaarj: You don't have an "apps" folder within? |
| 03:52.54 | Wyzard | jaymes: You can port anything to Windows with enough programmer effort :-) |
| 03:52.58 | _blue | does anyone here use any open source dj / music mixing software? |
| 03:53.00 | skaarj | jaymes > dolibarr is a webbased ERP/CRM (dolibarr.com) |
| 03:53.03 | coywolf | Wyzard, what's the problem with swap dev only readable by root ? |
| 03:53.06 | mfrisch | skaarj install menu |
| 03:53.17 | skaarj | Wyzard > nop there is just nothing... |
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| 03:53.27 | jaymes | Wyzard of course :) but why reinvent the wheel; I just saw that evo is being ported |
| 03:53.35 | Lusid | _blue: I can't live without my Traktor DJ Studio :) |
| 03:53.49 | skaarj | (Apps > Debian menu > nothing) |
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| 03:53.57 | _blue | Lusid: traktor is open source? |
| 03:53.59 | jaymes | Wyzard a crm is a natural extension to pims like evo for sales firms |
| 03:54.03 | Lusid | Haha, no way. |
| 03:54.05 | Wyzard | jaymes: Evolution ported to Windows? Finally? |
| 03:54.15 | _blue | Lusid: linux port available? |
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| 03:54.23 | jaymes | skaarj web-based won't work for road warriors |
| 03:54.24 | Wyzard | jaymes: Argh, and the guy I know who said he'd use it if it ran on Windows, already switched to OSX |
| 03:54.35 | skaarj | jaymes > lol :) |
| 03:55.04 | jaymes | Wyzard they're still working on dependencies at this point, but they (novell) hired the guy that ported gimp |
| 03:55.20 | Wyzard | coywolf: That doesn't help if someone boots another OS and uses it to analyze the hard drive, or just confiscates the drive |
| 03:55.39 | wolfdream | daedalus_: ok, nothing there looking like what I want. I looked in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/scsci |
| 03:55.46 | skaarj | mfrish > install menu ? please not be so obvious... i'm noob on linux GUI |
| 03:55.57 | Lusid | _blue: Not sure. |
| 03:56.15 | Lusid | _blue: I use it with my Stanton Final Scratch software for my turntables. :) |
| 03:56.19 | jaymes | skaarj: I already asked for pervasive wireless for myself to no avail; don't think it meets our price range :) |
| 03:56.24 | daedalus_ | skaarj: apt-get install menu |
| 03:56.29 | _blue | Lusid: pm for a sec? |
| 03:56.34 | Lusid | Sure. |
| 03:56.40 | jaymes | *sigh* |
| 03:56.56 | skaarj | daedalus > oh ok |
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| 03:57.49 | coywolf | Wyzard, the swap always contains valid data when another OS boots? |
| 03:58.02 | jaymes | that figures; we (the OSS world) has five projects that are "pretty good" and no one great project that rivals windows solutions |
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| 03:58.24 | jaymes | how's an IT guy going to switch users with an environment like that :-/ |
| 03:58.34 | jaymes | </grumping> |
| 03:58.36 | daedalus_ | wolfdream: have you just tried to insmod it? |
| 03:58.37 | Wyzard | coywolf: It contains whatever was last written to it... Linux doesn't wipe it when you shut down; that'd take a long time, especially to do it securely (many overwrite passes) |
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| 03:59.02 | skaarj | jaymes > i don't get it, what type of software are you looking for ? |
| 03:59.21 | Wyzard | coywolf: So instead, I have it encrypted using a key chosen randomly at boot time... once the system is shut down, the key is gone forever, and the contents are unrecoverable |
| 03:59.21 | wolfdream | daedalus_: lemme lookup what insmod means... |
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| 03:59.45 | coywolf | Wyzard, you can't use hibernation then |
| 03:59.46 | jaymes | skaarj: you know ACT or Goldmine? those are starts on what my company needs; SAP is all-powerful, but all-costly as well |
| 04:00.19 | Wyzard | coywolf: It's very easy to do... add one line to /etc/crypttab, and update /etc/fstab to use the new swap device in /dev/mapper |
| 04:00.42 | wolfdream | daedalus_: wouldn't I need the object file to load it, e.g. /tmp/dpt_i2o.o? |
| 04:00.48 | jaymes | skaarj: so afaik, my only good solution now is to write my own SAP |
| 04:01.03 | ignatius | anyone here know streamer really well? |
| 04:01.07 | skaarj | jaymes > i don't think so, take a look at tinyerp :) |
| 04:01.31 | daedalus_ | wolfdream: well, dpt_i20.ko, to be precise, but yes |
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| 04:01.39 | jaymes | skaarj: I have; do you think salespeople would use it? |
| 04:01.47 | Atula | okay I cannot setup the display |
| 04:01.51 | Wyzard | coywolf: Well, hibernation relies on dumping the contents of RAM to disk in a form that's usable next time the system starts, so it's fundamentally incompatible with protecting memory contents from being recoverable... but I don't use hibernation anyway |
| 04:01.51 | Atula | someone help me |
| 04:01.52 | skaarj | i know some guys that use to work on SAP and then switched to opensource and choose tinyERP |
| 04:02.15 | Atula | 19" crt/ati radeon 7000 |
| 04:02.19 | coywolf | Wyzard, indeed |
| 04:02.26 | skaarj | jaymes : don't know, the fact is, tinyERP has not a user friendly GUI :) |
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| 04:02.49 | Atula | I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:02.58 | jaymes | skaarj: that was the major problem I saw (and that I don't speak belgish :0) |
| 04:03.07 | jaymes | skaarj: does it grok outlook? |
| 04:03.10 | Wyzard | coywolf: cryptsetup has support for using encrypted root filesystems, via initrd, and I might set that up eventually... that's a bigger undertaking though |
| 04:03.20 | Atula | is there a command to refresh desktop without rebooting? |
| 04:03.20 | metaperl | can I get a kernel for debian untesting which has the MPPE patches built in and/or one which does in-kernel crypto ? |
| 04:03.27 | skaarj | jaymes : what do you mean by "grok" ? |
| 04:03.48 | metaperl | Atula: what happened? |
| 04:03.52 | Wyzard | metaperl: "untesting"? :-) |
| 04:03.58 | jaymes | skaarj: sorry, poor choice of words; s/grok/speak/ |
| 04:03.58 | metaperl | Wyzard: Debian testing |
| 04:04.08 | metaperl | i'm sorry... almost wrote unstable, but meant testing |
| 04:04.13 | Atula | the desktop is bigger than the monitor |
| 04:04.16 | jaymes | erk |
| 04:04.22 | Atula | so it's like I'm playing a game |
| 04:04.26 | challenged | wolfdream: as in cannot find module name or as in probe doesnt result anything? |
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| 04:04.30 | metaperl | oh, I see |
| 04:04.35 | Atula | anyone care to help me finish it up so I can go to sleep? |
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| 04:04.37 | Atula | man so tired |
| 04:04.38 | litage | how do you check if a particular pkg is installed? |
| 04:04.43 | Atula | but want to finish this |
| 04:04.44 | daedalus_ | wolfdream:somewhere out there is a howto on inserting your own rolled kernel into a debian boot/install disk. I used it when promise support was non-std... |
| 04:04.45 | Wyzard | metaperl: Someone (might have been you) was asking about MPPE a few days ago, and I looked for relevant Debian kernel-patch packages and didn't find anything |
| 04:04.52 | metaperl | Atula: looks up virtual desktop larger than actual desktop in google maybe |
| 04:04.55 | jaymes | skaarj: my users are all (finally) moved to Outlook with some Exchange still around |
| 04:04.59 | skaarj | jaymes : i don't use tinyERP cause even for me it's too obvious... make me think "what a waste of time if i'll use this software"... |
| 04:05.03 | metaperl | Wyzard: ok thanks |
| 04:05.43 | Wyzard | Atula: Have you customized your XF86Config file? |
| 04:05.49 | daedalus_ | wolfdream: I know it's a bit of a pain at this point, but it wasn't too bad, if I recall, assuming you have access to a linux machine with a CDROM burner |
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| 04:06.10 | jaymes | skaarj: I think they would be happy to just get some sales force automation, but if I have to change them, better once big than three times small |
| 04:06.29 | cddesjar | when will kde 3.4 be out for debian? |
| 04:06.36 | skaarj | jaymes : yeah clearly |
| 04:06.52 | Atula | Wyzard, where is that file located in again? |
| 04:07.00 | Wyzard | Atula: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 04:07.04 | Atula | k |
| 04:07.25 | Wyzard | Atula: Look for the section in there named "Screen", and look at the lists of resolutions it contains |
| 04:07.34 | skaarj | jaymes : i heard about a SAP-like crm... MASS9.0 i guess... cheaper than SAP, you should take a look |
| 04:07.34 | Wyzard | Atula: Is the largest resolution listed first? |
| 04:07.42 | Atula | do I restart to see the effects? |
| 04:07.48 | Wyzard | Atula: No, don't edit it, just look |
| 04:08.14 | Atula | 1280x1024 |
| 04:08.24 | Atula | yeah |
| 04:08.28 | Atula | largest first |
| 04:08.41 | jaymes | skaarj: do you have a website? |
| 04:09.11 | jaymes | skaarj: any idea how tiny distribute their code? what they use for tools etc? |
| 04:09.16 | Atula | ? |
| 04:09.20 | Wyzard | Atula: OK, it's not what I thought it might be, then |
| 04:09.24 | chealer | !topicsmite cddesjar |
| 04:09.25 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cddesjar. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:09.41 | Atula | thanks anyways |
| 04:09.47 | Atula | anyone else wanna help me out? |
| 04:09.57 | Wyzard | Atula: Is 1280x1024 the resolution your screen actually ends up using in X? |
| 04:10.01 | Wyzard | Atula: Or something lower? |
| 04:10.09 | Atula | I don't know |
| 04:10.15 | Atula | l;emme check |
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| 04:10.18 | jaymes | snicker |
| 04:10.22 | jaymes | dpkg, you're the bomb |
| 04:10.47 | Supaplex | dpkg++ |
| 04:11.06 | Atula | Wyzard, I think it's using 1152x864 @75 |
| 04:11.07 | cddesjar | !kick jaymes |
| 04:11.26 | Atula | wow |
| 04:11.29 | jaymes | well that was uncalled for |
| 04:11.32 | Atula | owch tho |
| 04:11.34 | Wyzard | Atula: The way that Modes line works is that the *largest* mode listed determines the size of the virtual desktop, but the *first* mode listed is the one that's the default when you start X... that's why the largest mode shold be listed first |
| 04:11.57 | Atula | uh huh |
| 04:12.27 | Supaplex | !bite jaymes |
| 04:12.32 | Supaplex | is that any better? |
| 04:12.33 | Wyzard | Atula: I suspect your monitor timings (HorizSync and VertRefresh) are set wrong... X will ignore modes that it thinks your monitor isn't capable of, so it might be rejecting the 1280x1024 and using the 1152x864, but the virtual desktop is still sized to 1280x1024 since that's the largest in the modes list |
| 04:12.41 | cddesjar | !kill jaymes |
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| 04:13.17 | Wyzard | Atula: If you look in your /var/log/XFree86.0.log, there's a section where X goes through all the candidate video modes and prints a message for each rejected one, saying why it can't be used... you might find that helpful |
| 04:14.04 | Wyzard | Atula: Ideally, you should try to get your monitor's actual supported timings (maybe from the manufacturer's website) and configure those in X ("dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", and choose Advanced when asked about how to configure the monitor) |
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| 04:14.26 | spuer | is there any tutorial for apache tomcat4? |
| 04:14.32 | Wyzard | Atula: If you can't get those, choose Medium instead and just pick one of the 1280x1024 entries from the list |
| 04:14.42 | spuer | such as configuration or how to set up separate accounts? |
| 04:14.46 | Atula | Wyzard, that's true. I wasn't so sure about the horizontal and vertical sync |
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| 04:16.05 | Wyzard | Atula: Those numbers determine what video modes your monitor is capable of displaying... Google for Eric Raymond's "XFree86 Video Timings HOWTO" if you're interested in the technical details |
| 04:16.06 | pumpitup | hep im back to ask if there is a command to free up memory or swap memory? |
| 04:16.31 | Wyzard | pumpitup: Quit the programs that are using the memory |
| 04:16.34 | jim | well programs use that command to return memory |
| 04:16.36 | daedalus_ | pumpitup: kill -9 ? |
| 04:16.36 | Atula | thanks |
| 04:16.54 | jim | you can't really do it yourself |
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| 04:17.11 | pumpitup | i tought some funny guy was gonna say rm -rf * were are your usual sadistic jokes ppl |
| 04:17.12 | jim | (other than quit other programs that is) |
| 04:17.30 | Wyzard | pumpitup: Memory that isn't being used is available for use, and if it's already in use, it isn't available |
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| 04:17.47 | daedalus_ | pumpitup: I haven't seen a rm -rf / recommendation yet |
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| 04:18.12 | kadigibox | How am I supose to encode MP3s if lame is not available anymore and why isnt lame available anymore? |
| 04:18.13 | pumpitup | ok thank |
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| 04:18.35 | Wyzard | kadigibox: Patent reasons, I believe, but unofficial packages are available from the marillat source |
| 04:18.52 | transgress | anyone that might have a guess as to why my dvd player goes slow as hell in debian? |
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| 04:19.14 | litage | what's the difference between `apt-get upgrade` and `apt-get dist-upgrade`? |
| 04:19.30 | daedalus_ | pumpitup: But yeah, basically, three is no way to conveniently free memory. Note that some programs hold on to buffers if there's free memory laying about and so your free memory looks low, even though those buffers are relinquished when demand becomes high. |
| 04:19.33 | jim | kadigibox: check the bts, check the message archives... maybe the reason is in ther |
| 04:19.44 | jim | and... |
| 04:19.50 | Wyzard | litage: "upgrade" will only upgrade a package if the new version's dependencies are all satisfied... "dist-upgrade" will add and remove packages as necessary to satisfy the new version's dependencies |
| 04:19.53 | jim | happy checking... |
| 04:20.07 | litage | thanks Wyzard |
| 04:20.16 | kadigibox | cause there are alot of CD Ripper programs but the mp3 encoders I couldnt find a single one on the lists of any of them on debian |
| 04:20.27 | doleyb | daedalus_ program frees when needed? what is the name of a program that does it? |
| 04:20.46 | Wyzard | kadigibox: MP3 is patented, and anyone who writes an encoder is supposed to pay royalties to the patent owner, Fraunhofer |
| 04:20.49 | jim | kadigibox: check the bts, check the message archives... maybe the reason is in ther |
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| 04:21.00 | Wyzard | kadigibox: Use Vorbis instead -- it's not patent-encumbered, and it's better than MP3 too :-) |
| 04:21.04 | daedalus_ | doleyb: I guess it's more of a system thing. Bad terminology on my part. |
| 04:21.50 | kadigibox | I would use vorbis but it wont stream onto a shoutcast server |
| 04:21.58 | transgress | okay i know i can use hdparm -tT /dev/hdc to figure out how to mess with the settings on my dvd player, but i'm unsure of how to use the information |
| 04:22.01 | transgress | anyone wanna help? |
| 04:22.09 | jim | kadigibox: so pay the patent fee and write your own |
| 04:22.17 | Wyzard | litage: I always use dist-upgrade, unless apt's list of proposed changes includes removing something important, in which case I use plain upgrade |
| 04:22.36 | Atula | after I reconfigure the xfree86, how do I refresh it |
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| 04:22.40 | Atula | to show my changes |
| 04:22.53 | Wyzard | kadigibox: I think lame claims to avoid the patent issue, but I don't know the details |
| 04:23.09 | jim | Atula: stop it first... then what you do after you stop it... uhhh... ummm.... |
| 04:23.17 | litage | Wyzard: i was thinking about always using dist-upgrade, but when i ran `apt-get install openssl`, it automatically installed the pkg without asking "X mb will be installed, continue?"... |
| 04:23.17 | Wyzard | kadigibox: It's probably just legally dubious, like mplayer |
| 04:23.18 | jim | hmm, what would you do? |
| 04:23.24 | Wyzard | Atula: Just restart X |
| 04:23.40 | wolfdream | daedalus_: you still there (I see that you're sleepy). |
| 04:23.53 | majid | hello |
| 04:24.05 | majid | I have a wuestion about cpnexant hcf modem |
| 04:24.08 | Azar | finally my first security updates since June 3rd have arrived |
| 04:24.10 | majid | can anyone help me? |
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| 04:24.22 | Wyzard | litage: apt pauses for confirmation when it would make any changes other than what you explicitly requested... but if the only action is installing what you explicitly told it to, (i.e. no additional dependencies required), it doesn't need to, because it already knows you want those packages installed |
| 04:24.42 | litage | ah makes sense. thanks Wyzard |
| 04:24.49 | jim | majid: there's no way of knowing if anyone can help you (why would that be?) |
| 04:25.26 | tvn | kadigibox: if you don't care about all the licenses patents crap and just want to hear some mp3's then add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ [your-debian-branch] main to sources.list |
| 04:26.01 | Wyzard | kadigibox: btw, I think Icecast (derived from Shoutcast) does support Vorbis :-) |
| 04:26.03 | kadigibox | oh I can hear mp3s fine with xmms |
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| 04:26.41 | kadigibox | yes but oggs cannot be sent to an actual shoutcast server (that I dont own so I cannot change to icecast) |
| 04:26.53 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:26.55 | Wyzard | oh well |
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| 04:27.24 | Atula | Wyzard, I checked. I got the corrext horizontal and vertical sync |
| 04:28.04 | Wyzard | Atula: You got the actual numbers for your specific monitor model, from its manual or the manufacturer's website? |
| 04:28.13 | tvn | kadigibox: that repos has the lame encoder compiled &packaged in debian so you can apt-get it |
| 04:28.13 | Atula | uh huh |
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| 04:28.51 | litage | libssl-dev is the development pkg for openssl? |
| 04:29.00 | Atula | darn it. wtf is going on |
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| 04:29.02 | Atula | man |
| 04:29.04 | Wyzard | Atula: It may be that the monitor can't actually do 1280x1024 according to its official timings, but can do it by going slightly outside those timings |
| 04:29.23 | kadigibox | actualy knowing the story about mp3s I will just stick to ogg instaid of messing with legalities but thanks for letting me know the story behind why lame is not on anymore |
| 04:29.27 | majid | I have a conexant hcf modem works good by linuxant driver at 14 k . I use the keygen.bin to crack it working 56k . it works fine with version 1.0 in kernel 2.6.9 . but in kernel 2.6.12 with driver version 1.06 i can't crack it / I need the crack for this driver |
| 04:29.36 | Wyzard | Atula: For example, my monitor's manual says the upper hsync limit is 92, but by setting it to 93.75 I can do 1600x1200@75Hz, and the monitor supports it just fine |
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| 04:29.42 | Atula | Wyzard, I've had this monitor work many times before |
| 04:30.00 | Atula | 30-96 and 50-150 |
| 04:30.05 | Wyzard | Atula: If you can get 1280x1024 in Windows (or some other OS), try booting that OS so the monitor is in that mode, and check what timings the monitor says it's using |
| 04:30.21 | Atula | I don't have windows installed |
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| 04:30.35 | Wyzard | Atula: I discovered my monitor's slight "overclockability" by booting Windows, setting that video mode, and discovering that it was using 93.75 hsync |
| 04:30.57 | kadigibox | oh um I have an AMD64 but I am useing an i386 install. is there any way for me to get full amd64 support on sarge yet or is it not available yet and would I have to reinstall? |
| 04:31.01 | Wyzard | Atula: Well, the first thing to do is check /var/log/XFree86.0.log and see whether X actually is rejecting your 1280x1024 mode |
| 04:31.04 | chealer | majid: ask #cracks-support |
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| 04:31.40 | Wyzard | Atula: If it is, you could experiment with the sync ranges by hand, or plug the monitor into a different system to find out what mode it's using there |
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| 04:32.12 | exobyte | how can I get a dump of what's being sent on some port (network, not serial) |
| 04:32.27 | quitte | Atula: or you could install read-edid and run get-edid|parse-edid and see if your monitor tells you its timings |
| 04:32.57 | Wyzard | Atula: though your monitor's timings are the same as mine, except you have 96 where I have my 93.75... you should be able to do 1600x1200@75 on that thing |
| 04:33.25 | Wyzard | Atula: Ooh, there's a thought... X actually takes the intersection of the sync ranges you specify, and the ranges the monitor itself reports via EDID |
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| 04:34.17 | transgress | totem-xine or totem-gstreamer for dvd's? |
| 04:34.17 | Wyzard | Atula: I've seen a monitor that had what was clearly a typo in its EDID data (the upper VertRefresh was 16 rather than 160) so X couldn't find any usable modes until it was configured to ignore the EDID data |
| 04:34.28 | transgress | any tips? gstreamer seems to be skipping just a bit |
| 04:34.58 | Wyzard | Atula: If your monitor is providing EDID data, that'll be in the XFree86.0.log too |
| 04:35.10 | Wyzard | transgress: Both should work |
| 04:35.19 | cddesjar | i use xine it works fine |
| 04:35.23 | lucca | are there any public archives of deb-src stuff from potato and earlier? |
| 04:35.27 | cddesjar | i use kaffeine though not totme |
| 04:35.28 | litage | with `dpkg -l <pkg>`, "ii" means installed, and "un" means not installed? |
| 04:35.29 | cddesjar | totem |
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| 04:35.42 | jim | lucca: probably |
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| 04:36.03 | jim | litage: look at the header! it's all there |
| 04:36.12 | Wyzard | litage: "ii" means "requested to be (i)nstalled, and is (i)nstalled", and "un" means "requested to be (u)ninstalled, and is (n)ot installed" |
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| 04:36.47 | Area-51 | does anyone know how to set screen name aliases in CenterICQ? i can set nicknames but the buddy list displays screen names only (debian testing, centericq 4.20.0) |
| 04:37.15 | litage | jim: the header doesn't meantion "i" or "ii": http://rafb.net/paste/results/zIXXAf47.html |
| 04:37.39 | jim | litage: then you haven't seen the header |
| 04:37.42 | Atula | quitte, I installed read-edid but couldn't run that get-edit|parse-edid command |
| 04:38.10 | litage | jim: how do i get the header? there's no mention of header in the manpage |
| 04:38.13 | Wyzard | Atula: Just look in your X log... it has the same info that get-edid returns, and seems to work more reliably at getting it |
| 04:38.22 | jim | litage: correction, it's RIGHT THERE in YOUR POST |
| 04:38.52 | litage | jim: ? |
| 04:38.55 | jim | read it... carefully... take your time... remember to comprehend as that is the point of reading... |
| 04:38.59 | quitte | Atula: works here |
| 04:39.23 | jim | remember to think... |
| 04:39.58 | jim | reading is not just imaging, altho you get better at imaging and it improves your reading |
| 04:40.10 | litage | jim: ohhh the first char corresponds to the Desired line, the 2nd char to the Status line, and the 3rd char to the Error line? |
| 04:40.21 | jim | HEYYY!!!! |
| 04:40.31 | jim | I'm out of cigars tho. |
| 04:40.42 | litage | that's alright, i only smoke pot =P |
| 04:40.49 | Morti | Anyone know of an automatic drive partitioner that I can run without any user intervention? |
| 04:40.58 | caphuso | Morti: sfdisk |
| 04:41.10 | jim | no problem... it's all burning gas in your lungs... |
| 04:41.14 | litage | hah |
| 04:41.24 | lucca | jim: if anyone else asks for archival package data for ancient distributions, there is http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 04:41.45 | jim | lucca: is there also archive.debian.org? |
| 04:41.53 | litage | jim, wyzard: what does "desired to be installed" mean though? ie: "the user wants this installed"? |
| 04:41.53 | lucca | which is currently down |
| 04:42.06 | jim | litage: yes |
| 04:42.09 | lucca | http://debian.crosslink.net/debian-archive/ is mirroring it though |
| 04:42.17 | litage | strange way of saying it.. |
| 04:43.03 | Wyzard | litage: It's not really used by apt, but it's the meaning behind the "selecting previously deselected package <foo>" that you get when installing a package |
| 04:43.17 | Atula | Wyzard, from the log, it seems that the monitor keeps on using the "default" sync that's lower than the ones I assigned.... so all the hsync are not in range.... |
| 04:43.36 | Wyzard | litage: In other tools (dselect, aptitude, synaptic) you can mark packages for installation without actually installing them |
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| 04:45.34 | jim | lucca: I doubt I'd be here long enough to hear and respond to such a request... but is there a way to find all that info? |
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| 04:46.52 | litage | Wyzard: ah right, i remember that |
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| 04:46.54 | Azar | why my ifconfig does not show a ppp0 section? I only see eth0 and lo |
| 04:47.13 | wolfdream | I have a zero channel raid controller (2005) and a 2100s. When using [CD,netinst,floppy,usb][linux,linux26,expert,expert26] the install always fails after keyboard selection, stating it cannot find my CD-ROM (which, in the case of the CD and netinst images I booted from). I'm having real problems understanding the right place to find the driver, and then, once I've found the driver, how to load it up during install in such a way that it is av |
| 04:47.20 | Area-51 | Azar: ifconfig shows active connections, so you wont see it unless its active/online |
| 04:47.43 | Azar | ah thanks so I should go online to see if I have it , thanks |
| 04:47.45 | Morti | Does anyone have any experience of automated drive partitioning with sfdisk? I can't find any guides or anything indicating how it's done. |
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| 04:48.12 | pumpitup | hey i have a rar archive with multiple files i have unrar-free install but when extracting it fails any ideas? |
| 04:48.32 | quitte | pumpitup try unrar-nonfree |
| 04:48.45 | Area-51 | pumpitup: what is the exact error? |
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| 04:49.16 | jim | Morti: if you have identical-sized and geometried drives, and you want identical partitions/partition table, do one, then tell sfdisk to dump to a file |
| 04:49.19 | quitte | pumpitup: uhm package name is unrar |
| 04:49.31 | pumpitup | Extracting tcm-elr.916.avi Failed |
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| 04:49.46 | pumpitup | quitte : no packages found |
| 04:49.47 | jim | if it's ANYTHING other than that, it's a Simple Matter of Programming that you can do if you program :) |
| 04:50.18 | quitte | pumpitup: do you have non-free in sources.list? |
| 04:50.46 | pumpitup | quitte : woops i dont |
| 04:50.54 | Azar | hmm I cant seem to see any connections even after going to yahoo... |
| 04:51.11 | pumpitup | quitte : i have the mirros.kernel.org one where do i add the "non-free" |
| 04:51.19 | Azar | damn this makes the tutorial hard to understand |
| 04:51.19 | Morti | jim: It'd be a case of using sfdisk to check the size of the hard drive then building root and swap partitions accordingly. |
| 04:51.19 | quitte | after main |
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| 04:52.19 | jim | Morti: I have no experience with the whole of what you express, but I've used sfdisk and I've programmed |
| 04:52.57 | Morti | There isn't a nice way to take an image of a drive while its filesystems are mounted and being written to, is there? |
| 04:53.06 | jim | Morti: it would likely be a matter of dumping from sfdisk, then parsing to find the size |
| 04:53.32 | krelob | is it just me or does sarge take a long time to boot? it seems like it is trying to load a lot of unnecessary modules... |
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| 04:53.48 | Azar | where can I find ppp0 listed to see its status? |
| 04:53.50 | Morti | Yeah, I figure that's fine but it's the actual writing that I can't figure out how to do. |
| 04:54.09 | jim | actual writing of what? |
| 04:54.14 | Morti | Partitions. |
| 04:54.19 | Morti | I'm reading the man page for sfdisk |
| 04:54.24 | pumpitup | quitte : hmm weird after apt-get updfate bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly; |
| 04:54.25 | pumpitup | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.25 | pumpitup | bzip2: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 04:54.25 | pumpitup | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:54.36 | Wyzard | Morti: Are you trying to image entire drives with their contents, or just copy partition layouts? |
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| 04:54.42 | pumpitup | sorry about that |
| 04:54.58 | jim | you would have to write out a file in the format that sfdisk accepts |
| 04:55.09 | Morti | <start> <size> <id> <bootable> <c,h,s> <c,h,s> |
| 04:55.11 | Morti | Multiple lines of that? |
| 04:55.23 | jim | unless it;s linear |
| 04:55.35 | jim | chs is limited to small drives, isn't it? |
| 04:55.45 | vipe | /join #netfilter |
| 04:55.50 | vipe | oops |
| 04:55.54 | stouset | Okay, so I know there's a shell command to "count" to a passed number. What is it? i.e., "command 3" would print "1 2 3" |
| 04:56.09 | stouset | Someone pointed it to me a few months ago but I'll be damned if I remember it. |
| 04:56.25 | jim | but that looks like a reasonable possibility |
| 04:56.42 | Wyzard | jim: Modern drives have internal geometries that can't be described in simple CHS terms... the drive basically makes up virtual CHS numbers for compatibility, and maps them internally to the real geometry |
| 04:56.42 | Morti | Wyzard: I'm writing an install script that will have to do one of two things. Either do a fresh install of a modified Debian distro without too much user intervention or copy hard drive contents from another machine on the network while that machine is running and has its filesystems mounted. |
| 04:56.43 | caphuso | stouset: seq |
| 04:56.47 | stouset | Thanks. |
| 04:56.53 | stouset | Again. I think you were the one that told me before ;) |
| 04:56.56 | Morti | Either way I figure the partitioning will have to be automated somehow. |
| 04:57.04 | Azar | I am using links and I am at yahoo.com how can I check the status of the connection? |
| 04:57.17 | Wyzard | Morti: Option A is probably the simpler and more reliable of the two :-) |
| 04:57.39 | Morti | Wyzard: Yeah. But the user has to choose option A or B, not me. ;) |
| 04:57.40 | Wyzard | Morti: I think D-I has support for doing that sort of thing |
| 04:57.44 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:57.56 | jim | Wyzard: so what's the real deal on using drives? what should one tell the bios to think of the drive before deciding to format it (assume empty drive here)? lba? big? which? |
| 04:57.59 | litage | should i link /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 or /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 ? |
| 04:58.10 | Azar | if I do not know how to check a connection will I ever be able to learn iptables? |
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| 04:58.23 | mwilson | litage: What would lead you to think either one was a good idea? |
| 04:58.41 | jim | litage: you don't need either |
| 04:59.48 | litage | mwilson, jim: i'm installing asterisk, and the instructions (http://tinyurl.com/ammou) say to install the kernel headers and make sure /usr/src/linux/ links to them |
| 04:59.50 | jim | mwilson: don't push too hard... recently I got him simultaneously reading and thinking... |
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| 05:00.23 | mwilson | litage: No they don't. |
| 05:00.39 | litage | mwilson: "There is no need to install the complete kernel-source package. Simply install the appropriate kernel-headers package for your current kernel, and make sure that /usr/src/linux links to them. |
| 05:00.42 | maher | litage: asterisk is packaged for debian... |
| 05:01.02 | Wyzard | jim: I think "LBA" is the appropriate setting, but I'm not 100% sure... anyway, it doesn't actually mean LBA in the proper sense of the term, and makes no difference to Linux once it's loaded |
| 05:01.03 | litage | maher: yes, but version 1.0.7, whereas the current stable is 1.0.9 |
| 05:01.26 | jim | Linear Block Addressing? that's what it means? |
| 05:01.35 | mwilson | litage: Yes, I see that. The writer of that "howto" is profoundly incompetent. |
| 05:01.36 | maher | litage: use the unstable debs them - rebuild them on stable |
| 05:01.51 | Wyzard | jim: Logical Block Addressing, but it basically means linear addressing with no direct correspondence to the physical geometry |
| 05:02.19 | mwilson | litage: Is there some reason that 1.0.7 isn't sufficient for whatever you're trying to do? |
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| 05:02.33 | litage | mwilson: ah i see. so i just need to have kernel-headers installed, and don't need to do anything else with/for it? |
| 05:02.36 | Wyzard | jim: But "LBA" in a BIOS actually just means trading off heads for cylinders to make the number of cylinders fit within the number of bits the BIOS uses to store it, and has nothing to do with actual LBA in the linear sense |
| 05:02.43 | jim | how large is the integer data type in bits used to address a block? |
| 05:03.21 | litage | mwilson: 1.0.9 has fewer bugs |
| 05:03.26 | mwilson | litage: I didn't say that. |
| 05:03.27 | Wyzard | jim: It's changed a few times... dunno what it is now though |
| 05:03.30 | jim | so that number of bits is smaller in the bios? |
| 05:03.57 | jim | ok |
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| 05:04.04 | maher | jim: you can usually ignore what the bios thinks |
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| 05:04.39 | Wyzard | jim: Not reducing the number of bits that the BIOS stores... reducing the number of cylinders so that it fits within that many bits |
| 05:04.39 | jim | it'd be nice to know the actual deal here... I've always assumed LBA mode is better, but I have no actual idea |
| 05:05.23 | lars-ut | Why do I get different results from 'cat /proc/mdstat' and 'mdadm --monitor' ? The latter says I have spares missing in my software RAID 1 array. |
| 05:05.30 | jim | it used to be 10 bits to hold a cylender address, right? |
| 05:05.35 | jim | in the bios that is |
| 05:05.36 | Supaplex | litage: installing asterisk from cvs head? (that's all I can reccomend if you haven't) |
| 05:05.42 | Wyzard | jim: There was a limitation where BIOSes couldn't address past the first 512MB of the disk, because the cylinder numbers were too large |
| 05:05.57 | Wyzard | jim: so they invented BIG mode which creates the illusion of fewer cylinders (with more heads to compensate) |
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| 05:06.16 | litage | Supaplex: i downloaded the current stable version, which is cvs head |
| 05:06.19 | Wyzard | jim: That ran into a limit at 8GB or so, and I think that's how the "LBA" mode arose, which trades even more cylinders for heads |
| 05:06.24 | JeffH | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.26 | Wyzard | jim: But those numbers only matter to the bootloader anyway |
| 05:06.54 | quittt | what is the bestest file searcher? |
| 05:07.00 | jim | so lba is bigger than big |
| 05:07.02 | quittt | that search files, not webpages |
| 05:07.43 | Wyzard | jim: Assuming I'm remembering correctly, yes :-) |
| 05:07.44 | jim | right, and that affects both lilo and grub, but in different ways becasue they store different things that might have to be booted |
| 05:08.02 | jim | !bestest |
| 05:08.12 | jim | !betterer |
| 05:08.35 | Wyzard | jim: It affects them in the same way... they have different ways of figuring out which sectors contain the kernel, but they both use the same BIOS interface for reading disk sectors |
| 05:08.41 | Supaplex | !best |
| 05:08.41 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 05:08.41 | caphuso | quittt: grep |
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| 05:08.54 | quittt | caphuso, in internet |
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| 05:09.11 | jim | quittt, find |
| 05:09.35 | quittt | oh my god... I want to search in the internet a file that google DOES NOT find |
| 05:09.55 | jim | google?! cannot find something??!! |
| 05:09.59 | Supaplex | make up your %$*$@( mind |
| 05:09.59 | maher | JeffH: is apache2 listening on 443 |
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| 05:10.23 | jim | google for ftpsearch |
| 05:11.19 | sbk | out of curiosity: is it just me, or are the LBX extensions basically not very useful? I'm not seeing any great improvements displaying this spreadsheet with, or without LBX. |
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| 05:11.34 | jim | then you'll be able to find the file served by goatse.cx and everything else like that you want :) |
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| 05:11.50 | tvn | what's lbx ? |
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| 05:12.09 | jim | logical block execution? |
| 05:12.10 | sbk | tvn: oh, low bandwidth X or something like that |
| 05:12.15 | Supaplex | sbk: what kind of differences were you expecting? |
| 05:12.19 | Supaplex | !lbx |
| 05:12.19 | dpkg | somebody said lbx was Low Bandwidth X |
| 05:12.38 | sbk | Supaplex: I was hoping for a snappier response to scrolling/redisplaying etc |
| 05:12.56 | Supaplex | lower latency etc? |
| 05:12.59 | jim | sbk: get more ram |
| 05:13.18 | dev1 | hi all. message on startup "can't load module pciehp"... what it? |
| 05:13.19 | sbk | Supaplex: yep.. this is over a high latency/ssh tunnel |
| 05:13.25 | Supaplex | sbk: it's remote I assume. try setting TOS on the ssh connection. |
| 05:13.47 | sbk | Supaplex: ah, don't know that setting. *googles* |
| 05:14.19 | jim | that's not who said that :P |
| 05:14.34 | Supaplex | otherwise just cuss out a router or piece of network gear. they seem to work better when you do that occasionally. (or at the least, you get to blow off steam) |
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| 05:14.53 | daedalus_ | supaplex: TOS should be low latentcy already, though maybe.... Do the tunnels demote themselves to best effort? |
| 05:15.30 | Supaplex | I've never encountered any big issues with it, so I haven't had to fiddle. - no idea really. |
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| 05:16.08 | foo | What's the easiest way to setup java for firefox? |
| 05:16.12 | Supaplex | though I may set my rsync backup sessions to use bulk |
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| 05:16.34 | sbk | Supaplex: I'll try that out [this is in fact, two ssh tunnels, gw + internal network] so you can imagine various things get fubar'ed along the way :) but outside of fiddling with tcp itself -- I take it that lbx is not particularly useful? |
| 05:16.48 | maher | foo: use java-package to install java |
| 05:16.59 | jim | foo: build yourself a java .deb of your desired jre or jdk (easier than it sounds); install that package |
| 05:17.40 | foo | maher: E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 05:17.51 | jim | you need contrib :P |
| 05:17.55 | foo | Hmm |
| 05:18.03 | foo | How do I setup that again? |
| 05:18.15 | lars-ut | Why do I get different results from 'cat /proc/mdstat' and 'mdadm --monitor' ? The latter says I have spares missing in my software RAID 1 array. |
| 05:18.16 | jose | jose@debian:~/MyDownloads$ fakeroot make-jpkg j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin |
| 05:18.17 | jose | Creating temporary directory: /tmp/make-jpkg.XXXXNvPHTN |
| 05:18.17 | jose | Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk.sh |
| 05:18.17 | jose | No matching plugin was found. |
| 05:18.17 | jose | Removing temporary directory: done |
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| 05:18.36 | foo | hehe |
| 05:18.45 | Supaplex | sbk: I'd add some iptables rules for accounting purposes. test each way, compare results. |
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| 05:18.58 | Wyzard | lars-ut: spares aren't actually part of the active array, so they don't show up in mdstat |
| 05:19.00 | jose | sorry |
| 05:19.00 | karsten | !tell jose about flood |
| 05:19.05 | jim | grep "^deb " /etc/apt/sources.list | head -1 |
| 05:19.05 | karsten | !tell jose about paster |
| 05:19.19 | jim | should be ONE line |
| 05:19.19 | sbk | Supaplex: ah, interesting idea, didn't think of that. Thanks for the tips |
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| 05:19.27 | Wyzard | lars-ut: Or so it appears... I'm not 100% sure of that, though :-) |
| 05:19.39 | jose | !tell jose about paster |
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| 05:19.58 | jim | hmm, for that you can do /msg dpkg paster |
| 05:20.27 | lars-ut | Wyzard: makes sense. What about the 'Disk /dev/md1 doesn't contain a valid partition table' type stuff? |
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| 05:21.19 | Wyzard | lars-ut: Are md devices supposed to have partition tables? My md0 just has a filesystem on it |
| 05:21.47 | jim | lars-ut: now how many -rays- are there coming from the lights? |
| 05:21.54 | lars-ut | Wyzard: That makes sense too. I'm new to RAID. |
| 05:22.06 | lars-ut | jim: I can't be sure |
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| 05:22.20 | vipe | any one who know howtos move up/down netfilter (iptables) rules and chains? (seems #netfilter|#iptables are totally asleep :( |
| 05:22.28 | Wyzard | lars-ut: Well, I have one raid1 and one raid5, but I'm not exactly an expert |
| 05:23.03 | jim | !they are asleep |
| 05:23.04 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, jim |
| 05:23.07 | foo | haha |
| 05:23.08 | lars-ut | Wyzard: Does fdisk-l give you similar msgs? |
| 05:23.21 | jim | !they |
| 05:23.21 | dpkg | They are watching you. They know what you're doing. |
| 05:23.27 | Supaplex | lars-ut: do you know Kent Hansen? |
| 05:23.43 | lars-ut | Supaplex: nope |
| 05:23.48 | Wyzard | lars-ut: I didn't run fdisk on my md device, because I put a filesystem on it directly |
| 05:24.00 | Wyzard | lars-ut: I'm not sure whether the kernel will recognize partitions on md devices, actually |
| 05:24.01 | maher | jose: odd - that should have worked |
| 05:24.20 | lars-ut | Wyzard: Does 'fdisk -l' should just list devices/filesystems |
| 05:24.28 | lars-ut | s/Does/ |
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| 05:24.51 | roler | does mod_gzip work in apache2 or is that already part of apache2? |
| 05:24.57 | jim | right, it's not supposed to change anything... but!! man fdisk and make sure!! |
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| 05:25.18 | Wyzard | lars-ut: It scans devices and lists partition tables... makes sense that it'd say that if md1 has no partition table, but that's harmless |
| 05:25.28 | vipe | nm, got it |
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| 05:25.53 | lars-ut | Wyzard: so you get the same errors? |
| 05:26.09 | Wyzard | lars-ut: yes |
| 05:26.10 | jim | I've seen many people wipe their system because some goon was trying to talk them into running a command without checking |
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| 05:26.22 | Wyzard | lars-ut: I wouldn't call it an "error" though |
| 05:26.42 | lars-ut | Wyzard: Understood. I'm gald I asked. |
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| 05:26.51 | lars-ut | s/gald/glad |
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| 05:27.11 | jim | I'm not gald, and for that I'm blad |
| 05:27.17 | lars-ut | lol |
| 05:27.37 | jim | that four-light guy tho... |
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| 05:28.00 | jim | HE ras weally gald!@ |
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| 05:31.39 | deiro | hola |
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| 05:32.14 | jim | halo |
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| 05:32.31 | rata | deiro, "hola" in #debian-es, here "hello" ;) |
| 05:32.43 | pumpitup | hey i have downloaded an mp4 video the video plays fine but theres no audio anyone know why? |
| 05:33.00 | wolfdream | Where can I find an iso of Woody? I've looked in the archive, and they're still showing potato as the latest archived distro... |
| 05:33.05 | _aedwards | Folks is the a tool to immediately tell all dhc client to request a new IP Address from the dhcp server? |
| 05:33.20 | _aedwards | dhcp clients I mean |
| 05:33.31 | roler | does mod_gzip work in apache2 or is that already part of apache2? |
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| 05:35.10 | abyss | lo ive made a dist-upgrade, how i can find out if i really have sid now? |
| 05:35.50 | deiro | hla |
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| 05:36.54 | abyss | !sid |
| 05:36.54 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 05:37.38 | abyss | !unstable |
| 05:37.38 | dpkg | hmm... unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. See testing. see sid |
| 05:38.16 | kwixson | I am getting started with Apache on a computer on which I installed Knoppix, via version 3.8.1, and I want to ensure I have the latest and greatest properly installed before I begin to configure and whatnot. I'm handling packages with KPackage. Do I need to uninstall the Apache package before I install the Apache2 package? Am I getting myself in a lot of trouble messing about with packages... |
| 05:38.17 | kwixson | ...for Apache this way? |
| 05:38.54 | abyss | i canot see kernel-image-2.6.8-10-x |
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| 05:39.22 | jim | never used apache before? look at other servers too then, aolserver for example |
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| 05:39.30 | wolfdream | Where can I find an iso of Woody? I've looked in the archive, and they're still showing potato as the latest archived distro... |
| 05:39.58 | abyss | why u want woody? |
| 05:40.00 | jim | oh someone must have woody cds they could send ya |
| 05:40.07 | Wyzard | wolfdream: woody isn't archived yet |
| 05:40.22 | Wyzard | wolfdream: It should still be available on normal mirrors |
| 05:40.47 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 05:40.47 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:40.49 | jim | so you can still make woody isos using jigdo |
| 05:41.05 | jim | Dammit MobyTurbo! |
| 05:41.08 | Wyzard | kwixson: If apache and apache2 can't be installed at the same time, they'll Conflict with each other, and kpackage will force you to remove one to install the other |
| 05:41.17 | MobyTurbo | jim: sorry, couldn't resist. :-) |
| 05:41.25 | Wyzard | kwixson: If it doesn't force you to remove apache, then they don't conflict, and you can safely install both |
| 05:41.26 | wolfdream | all: I need woody, because sarge doesn't have support for dpt_i2o, and my CD-ROM is connected to the builtin 7299 (Zero channel raid controller). |
| 05:42.00 | sean_micken | i changed my hostname and i see my old hostname in the /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub file... how do i regenerate that file? |
| 05:42.10 | kwixson | Wyzard: Thanks, but they won't both be able to function as web servers without configuring them to work on different ports, will they? |
| 05:42.16 | wolfdream | Wyzard: I looked around on some normal mirrors, and couldn't find any isos... plenty of jigdo available packages, but no isos.... and I haven't had much success with jigdo... |
| 05:42.18 | pumpitup | hey i have downloaded an mp4 video the video plays fine but theres no audio anyone know why? |
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| 05:42.57 | jim | you're deaf? |
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| 05:43.10 | pumpitup | not yet |
| 05:43.10 | jim | your computer is off? |
| 05:43.11 | Wyzard | wolfdream: jigdo would be the best way to go, then... what didn't work when you tried it? |
| 05:43.12 | sep | wolfdream, use the netinstall it's a 100mb iso. |
| 05:43.22 | Wyzard | kwixson: correct |
| 05:43.36 | Gnea | wolfdream: http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-netinst/woody/ |
| 05:43.48 | sep | pumpitup, you are missing the audio codec most likely |
| 05:43.50 | Azar | what should I use, ppp0 or eth0 on my iptables rules? |
| 05:43.56 | kwixson | Wyzard: Say I don't really care about preserving Apache and would just as soon use just Apache2 as it would normally be configured, does removing Apache via KPackage do any harm? |
| 05:44.04 | jim | wolfdream: you dn't need isos necessarily |
| 05:44.08 | krelob | so how long will sarge likely be supported? |
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| 05:44.14 | pumpitup | sep : yea but i just downloaded lots lots of libs for audio codec and still no work |
| 05:44.21 | Wyzard | kwixson: Shouldn't make any difference at all on apache2 |
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| 05:44.49 | sep | pumpitup, you only need to download the codec that file actualy uses, not lots and lots of codect that arent used. |
| 05:44.53 | rking | here's a nonsense question: is apache2 ready for prime time? nonsense opinions accepted as answers |
| 05:44.56 | roler | i have a problem with my debian install, it doesn't have make or gcc or any of those utils. what package do I install for that? |
| 05:44.59 | Wyzard | kwixson: except that, of course, uninstalling apache ensures that it isn't already running on port 80 when apache2 tries to start... but you could accomplish that by editing apache's config, too |
| 05:45.02 | jim | krelob: until tomorrow... |
| 05:45.05 | jim | at least... |
| 05:45.07 | jm_ | roler: /msg dpkg search |
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| 05:45.17 | krelob | so in other words no one really knows... |
| 05:45.20 | wolfdream | Gnea: excellent. thx. |
| 05:45.27 | sep | roler, install build-essential |
| 05:45.31 | Wyzard | roler: They're all in individual packages with names like "make" and "gcc" |
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| 05:46.02 | sep | krelob, atlest 1 year after etch is released |
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| 05:46.21 | roler | oops |
| 05:46.22 | Wyzard | roler: The "build-essential" package will bring in all the core tools used for building Debian packages, which includes the C and C++ compilers, plus a few other things... it's a good starting point, since "build-essential" is easy to remember |
| 05:46.25 | jim | roler: in one shot, install build-essential |
| 05:46.47 | roler | installing now |
| 05:46.48 | roler | you guys rock |
| 05:46.53 | roler | i love this server |
| 05:47.03 | roler | somehow an ATA/100 HD is doing 55megs/sec |
| 05:47.05 | roler | wooo hoo |
| 05:47.08 | jim | mmmhmmm :P |
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| 05:47.13 | jim | a likely story :P |
| 05:47.27 | kwixson | Wyzard: You're being a great help. What else do I need to do aside from installing Apache2 in order for PHP and CGI (perl) working, as far as installing packages? |
| 05:47.32 | roler | thats what hdparm says... -tT |
| 05:47.41 | krelob | is there some easy way to save the currently loaded modules so that debian will boot faster? it seems that it is currently just trying to load every module or something. |
| 05:47.50 | jim | no, meaning you loving this server :) |
| 05:48.06 | roler | hehe |
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| 05:48.33 | sep | kwixson, apt-cache search libapache2 to get a indication |
| 05:48.33 | jim | I see something liek that and I know something is -wrong- :) |
| 05:48.35 | Wyzard | kwixson: apache2 has multiple backends that actually do the server work (called MPMs, and they're in the "apache2-mpm-*" packages)... the only one that will work with PHP is apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 05:49.00 | Wyzard | kwixson: (The others use threads for improved efficiency, but PHP is not thread-safe) |
| 05:49.01 | jim | besides... you've been on this server before... |
| 05:49.19 | sep | Wyzard, when you install the libapache2-mod-php i think it auto replaces whatever with mpm-prefork |
| 05:49.22 | jim | and it's been awhile since I seen your nick |
| 05:49.39 | Wyzard | kwixson: PHP support for apache2 is in "libapache2-mod-php4" |
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| 05:49.56 | Wyzard | sep: ah, yeah, that makes sense |
| 05:50.57 | jim | ooohhh, I got cold lemonade! |
| 05:51.10 | Morti | When you tell the Debian Installer to reboot, what is it actually doing? Is it calling the reboot command itself or does it just quit and the system reboots? |
| 05:51.10 | Guerin | no better kind of lemonade |
| 05:51.12 | kwixson | Wyzard: I read something about the mpm packages before I got here, and it looks like all three are installed when you choose to install Apache2 via Kpackage, if I'm reading it correctly. So, installing libapache2-mod-php4 after I install Apache2 would get me going with PHP? |
| 05:51.31 | Wyzard | kwixson: No, the three MPMs conflict with each other, so you can only have one of them installed |
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| 05:52.07 | kwixson | Wyzard: Thank you for clarifying that. |
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| 05:52.30 | Wyzard | kwixson: but installing libapache2-mod-php4 actually would probably be all you need, since that pulls in the MPM, which pulls in apache2-common and the other dependencies |
| 05:53.31 | Wyzard | kwixson: CGI support is built into the server, btw, so your Perl CGI should work fine without needing to install anything additional |
| 05:54.20 | Wyzard | kwixson: There's also an extension called FastCGI, which is supported by libapache2-mod-fastcgi, but that's not useful unless your CGI script is written to support it (which it probably isn't) |
| 05:54.42 | jim | cgi is a cool toy... |
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| 05:55.19 | Wyzard | kwixson: (btw, I'm not an expert on all this... I have apache2 installed using the "worker" MPM, and I know about the PHP/MPM issue, but I'm mostly just looking up info with "apt-cache search" and "apt-cache show") |
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| 05:55.36 | jim | but big sites like wgbh.org dont use cgi :) |
| 05:55.38 | kwixson | Wyzard: Yeah? Good tip. Now the question is, shoud I bother with this or am I being over zealous. I'm interested in setting this up for a testing server so I can develop web sites. If this isn't going to help me develop for common deployments on web hosts, then I probably shouldn't mess with it, right? I'm asking because I saw someone comment that it might not be "ready for prime time" earlier. |
| 05:56.28 | exobyte | I screwed up my terminal with non printable chars. How can I restore it? |
| 05:56.35 | rking | exobyte: reset |
| 05:56.37 | Guerin | there's probably only one webserver more widely deployed than apache2 right now, and that'd be apache1 |
| 05:56.41 | rking | exobyte: or echo ^V<esc>c |
| 05:56.55 | exobyte | rking: thx |
| 05:57.08 | daedalus_ | jim: really big sites use a static page generation monstrosity for all but the absolutely necessary applications..... what's your point? |
| 05:57.09 | Guerin | IIS might just edge it out, but that's not worth considering, and certainly not worth using as a development platform. |
| 05:57.10 | jim | kwixson: well if you want to use perl, probably apache would be ok for that... start with cgi, then try mod_perl |
| 05:57.15 | Wyzard | kwixson: I don't have experience with "large" sites, but apache2 has been out for several years now, and I'd be very surprised if it sucked |
| 05:57.43 | rking | exobyte: next time run "file foo.bin" before cat'ing foo.bin. ;) |
| 05:58.02 | pablum | the concern is the many modules that (haven't? hadn't?) been ported to apache2 |
| 05:58.12 | jim | daedalus_: I'm just saying there are other alternatives, and much faster ones, to apache/perl/cgi-or-mod_perl |
| 05:58.19 | exobyte | rking: heh.. it was a tcpdump output file.. I kinda knew already |
| 05:58.24 | kwixson | I do want to use Perl, but I'm also learning PHP. |
| 05:58.38 | Wyzard | kwixson: Anyway, unless you use features which are specific to apache2 (which is fairly unlikely if you're just using Perl CGI and PHP), your code should work fine on apache1 as well |
| 05:58.39 | exobyte | rking: I may be reverse engineering something.. or not, not sure |
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| 05:59.47 | rking | exobyte: hehe.. yeah, it's all about terminal escapes. if you send <esc>___blank__ to your terminal, odds are that the thing will start thinking you're in line-drawing mode or some foozzle. the simple thing is to "reset; echo ^V<esc>" and you're back to the start. on some systems it seems like i remember having to do stty -reset or some b.s. |
| 05:59.59 | kwixson | Wyzard: Okay. I will look more into the specific features of Apache2 on Apache's web site and see if it's anything I'm likely to need. If not, then I won't bother. |
| 06:00.40 | jim | kwixson: you might also look into openacs and aolserver... also, hope you're not planning on mysql |
| 06:00.44 | daedalus_ | jim: I hear that. |
| 06:00.45 | Wyzard | kwixson: From CGI and Perl, you don't have enough access to the server's internals to depend on anything apache2-specific, AFAIK |
| 06:01.02 | kwixson | I really appreciate the help and information everyone. |
| 06:01.10 | Wyzard | kwixson: The closest you can get is PHP's "Apache-specific functions", and I think all those work on both apache1 and apache2 |
| 06:02.11 | Wyzard | kwixson: If you were using libapache2-mod-perl2, where your Perl code actually runs *within* the Apache server, then you'd have access to Apache-specific functions |
| 06:02.15 | kwixson | jim: Why do you ask about MySQL |
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| 06:02.22 | Wyzard | Apache2-specific functions, I should say |
| 06:03.55 | Wyzard | kwixson: btw, if you want a database, you should use PostgreSQL, not MySQL :-) |
| 06:04.07 | jim | kwixson: because it has multiuser issues that might be staying with it... look into using postgres, it's much more advanced, it's ACID-compliant which means it's much more suitable for multiuser/multitask use |
| 06:04.40 | jim | I'll dig up the url if you want to know what ACID compliance is |
| 06:04.46 | Wyzard | MySQL finally gains proper foreign-key checking, and PostgreSQL (which has had FK checking for a long time) gains transaction savepoints :-) |
| 06:04.47 | kwixson | *whine* But I know MySQL. :) |
| 06:05.17 | jim | well, you can use most of what you know for pg... |
| 06:05.48 | jim | but ok, I mean you should do what you want... I'm just saying you can have better :) |
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| 06:06.18 | kwixson | Why has MySQL seen such wide use on the web, if it's not the thing to use? I thought the magic formula for web development was L.A.M.P. (Linux Apache MySQL and PHP) |
| 06:06.29 | Wyzard | kwixson: MySQL gained popularity because PostgreSQL used to be non-free, even though it isn't as good... so historically, MySQL has been the choice database of people who don't actually know much about databases, and PostgreSQL has been the choice of people who understand the advantages it offers :-) |
| 06:06.31 | empty | Hey all, I have a weird question... What's the maximum size for a username inder 2.4/2.6 kernels?? |
| 06:06.53 | Gnea | kwixson: cuz there's no such thing as a one-solution-for-all. that's unrealistic. |
| 06:06.53 | sep | kwixson, becouse my 4 year old kid can get mysql running |
| 06:07.05 | jim | empty: has nothing to do with kernels |
| 06:07.36 | jim | empty: it's the login program and all its friend |
| 06:07.38 | jim | s |
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| 06:07.49 | Gnea | kwixson: sure, it's a good solution for many, but needs are going to vary |
| 06:07.51 | Wyzard | kwixson: PostgreSQL has more "high-end" features which help enforce your database's consistency, and improve performance by doing more work within the server rather than in your application |
| 06:07.56 | empty | Which is excellent historically, but now that MySQL is catching up with the big boys in things like transactions and triggers, and outstripping postgres with things like cluster support, you can see what open source is really all about :) |
| 06:07.57 | kwixson | sep: Well, that has some appeal to me. I'm not into playing with web server stuff for the challenge of it, I'm a web developer looking to get things working as quickly and easily as possible. |
| 06:08.06 | Gildr | Can anyone point me in the direction of the file, so i can add more mirrors for apt-cache search commands to search though? |
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| 06:08.31 | empty | jim, OK, I think that answers my question fittingly enough |
| 06:08.32 | Gnea | kwixson: that's just the way it is though, it really depends on what you wanna do and where you wanna go |
| 06:08.38 | sep | kwixson, yes, but if you plan on developing the next slashdot, then you should think a little about it first |
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| 06:08.52 | jim | \empty: but when is mysql going to get complete acid compliance? |
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| 06:09.01 | empty | jim, dunno, ask dev |
| 06:09.02 | sep | Gildr, /etc&apt/sources.list |
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| 06:09.17 | JeffH | Is it true that https using a self-signed certificate can still be snooped? |
| 06:09.23 | pablum | mysql is fine if you aren't doing transactions, or multiple simultaneous updates to the db. If it's mostly readonly, or there is no atomicity requirement to your modifications, you're ok. |
| 06:09.33 | jim | and howbout things like stored procedures, and outer joins? |
| 06:09.37 | sep | JeffH, not any more then a centraly signed one |
| 06:10.06 | sep | JeffH, assuming you protect your key ofcouse !! |
| 06:10.12 | Wyzard | I was under the impression that MySQL is transactional if you use InnoDB, and the new version (in beta now, I think) will have stored procedures and full FK checking |
| 06:10.13 | jim | pablum: atomicity is the A in acid-compliance :) |
| 06:10.19 | JeffH | okay.. someone else was trying to tell me it was pointless to use https with a self-signed certificate. |
| 06:10.21 | pablum | :) |
| 06:10.22 | empty | jim, I lied, it is acid compliant now |
| 06:10.41 | jim | it is? |
| 06:10.47 | sep | JeffH, well it is annoying, since your users will get certificate warnings |
| 06:10.57 | empty | http://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/press-release/release_2002_11.html |
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| 06:11.08 | empty | jim, since they switched to innodb |
| 06:11.24 | Wyzard | It still doesn't have custom data types, or plugin-able scripting languages for SPs and triggers, or derived tables, or savepoints :-) |
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| 06:11.52 | JeffH | sep: true.. but since the user is me and I can just accept the certificate its all good. |
| 06:11.53 | empty | stored procedures are in 5.0 |
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| 06:12.04 | Wyzard | JeffH: If your certificate is not signed by a trusted third party, users can't validate that it's really your certificate and not someone pretending to be you |
| 06:12.14 | Wyzard | empty: In what language? |
| 06:12.16 | jim | does it have bind vars? |
| 06:12.23 | empty | Wyzard, save point = snapshot yes? The commercial MSQL has that |
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| 06:12.34 | jim | MSQL? |
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| 06:12.55 | Wyzard | empty: savepoints == being able to roll back to a point in the middle of a transaction rather than to the beginning; equivalent to nested transactions |
| 06:13.06 | sep | JeffH, you could consider using cacert.org, there you can import their root certificate into all browsers, adn you can make new certs signed againt that root to avoid that hassle. and they are workign to get their root included in the mainstream rowsers |
| 06:13.08 | empty | Wyzard, sql2003 according to the docs |
| 06:13.15 | empty | Wyzard, says it is db2 like |
| 06:13.16 | jim | commercial version? that doesn't compete well with pg, since it has that now for free... |
| 06:13.18 | sep | JeffH, did i mention free. ? |
| 06:13.23 | laopa | cannot install udev because no tmpfs. tmpfs, i understand, is a ramdisk fs which can be configured into the kernel. kernel config menu has no ramfs or tmpfs. how? |
| 06:13.28 | empty | Wyzard, ah I see |
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| 06:13.55 | empty | Wyzard, no clue on that but I know the last two releases of mysql have been leaps and bounds- check out mysql cluster for example |
| 06:14.02 | Wyzard | empty: PG has "PL/pgSQL", which is similar to Oracle's PL/SQL... but it also has pgPerl and pgPython, and you can even write procedures in C and have the server load the .so |
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| 06:14.05 | jim | does it have "create or replace function"? |
| 06:14.24 | jim | and pgtcl |
| 06:14.25 | Wyzard | empty: I know MySQL's made significant improvements lately... PG still has an edge though |
| 06:14.34 | Wyzard | empty: Plus, MySQL's grant tables irritate me :-P |
| 06:14.45 | empty | Wyzard, preaching to the choir there |
| 06:15.03 | kwixson | This is an interesting discussion. |
| 06:15.08 | empty | Wyzard, check out mysql cluster in 5.0 it is pretty cool |
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| 06:15.24 | jim | does it have unions? |
| 06:15.24 | empty | jim, dunno, check the manual... |
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| 06:15.37 | kwixson | I'm definately getting the impression, though, that I should concentrate on updating MySQL, not Apache. :) |
| 06:15.48 | Wyzard | JeffH: A self-signed certificate will provide encryption so data is sent securely to your server, but without authentication, users can't be certain that they're actually sending their data securely to you, and not sending it securely to an impostor :-) |
| 06:16.11 | empty | I am not a mysql geek per se, just use it for several apps and I am rolling out a cluster for storing configs etc |
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| 06:16.15 | laopa | cannot install udev because no tmpfs. tmpfs, i understand, is a ramdisk fs which can be configured into the kernel. kernel config menu has no ramfs or tmpfs. how? |
| 06:16.20 | empty | so my needs aren't overly complex |
| 06:16.38 | jim | it's still not in the greatest shape... they're holding features to sell and competing with another free db that has the features they're selling |
| 06:16.39 | maher | Wyzard: JeffH a problem which the non-self signed certificate doesn't solve |
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| 06:16.58 | Wyzard | maher: What's the problem? (I didn't see the original question) |
| 06:17.18 | jim | kwixson: you should learn pg ;) it's not hard at all, and you already know sql pretty good I guess |
| 06:17.18 | empty | jim, yet sufficient for most DB people unless you are looking to toss DB2 or Oracle |
| 06:17.34 | maher | Wyzard: its too easy to get certificates signed - so just because the cert is signed doesnt' mean much |
| 06:17.37 | thyhorror | hi people . i want to stop users from seeing other users dirs . on installing i had the option to disallow it . can any of you point me to what that was ? |
| 06:17.55 | jim | the toolkit I'm using has an oracle-only legacy,,, but now can use oracle or pg |
| 06:17.59 | empty | maher, no doubt, anyonethat can pwn your box can get your key and likely change your DNS |
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| 06:18.16 | laopa | no one here knows anything about tmpfs? |
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| 06:18.20 | empty | thyhorror, /etc/adduser.conf |
| 06:18.20 | Wyzard | laopa: It's called "Virtual memory file system support (former shm fs)" in the kernel config... under "pseudo filesystems" in 2.6 |
| 06:18.24 | kwixson | jim: I'll definately look at it, after hearing this out. |
| 06:18.26 | jim | we occasionally get annoyed at pg, wanting certain missed features of oracle |
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| 06:18.47 | thyhorror | empty: thanks much , i'll look at that . |
| 06:18.56 | empty | thyhorror, basically you want to chmod 700 /home/* |
| 06:18.57 | Wyzard | maher: I haven't gotten a cert myself, but I'd hope the CA does at least basic identity checking |
| 06:19.14 | laopa | Wyzard, so that what it is. I came across it in the kernel menu. thks a lot. you are a wizard. |
| 06:19.20 | empty | Wyzard, yes they do, they make sure the charge goes through |
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| 06:19.40 | Wyzard | maher: Actually, scratch that, I *have* gotten a cert at work, for internal use but issued by Verisign, and I had to present three forms of ID to a notary and get the application form notarized |
| 06:19.43 | jim | there's a cool movie called wizards |
| 06:20.02 | empty | Wyzard, not all cert orgs are like that |
| 06:20.07 | Wyzard | maher: so I'd dispute that having a CA-signed cert doesn't mean much |
| 06:20.13 | sep | Wyzard, a signed certificate dosnt indicate that you are who you are. only that you are rich enoughf to pay thawte or verisign, cacert have better identity checks then those. |
| 06:20.16 | empty | Wyzard, not all "trusted by most browsers" ones |
| 06:20.24 | jm_ | laop;read tmpfs.txt |
| 06:20.34 | empty | sep, or semi-rich enough to pay Komodo |
| 06:20.37 | Wyzard | empty: True, the default CA list in most browsers has a lot of companies I've never heard of |
| 06:21.26 | empty | Wyzard, and I would bet not even 1% of 1% of browser users ever even get in there or know what they are doing w/r/t trusted CAs |
| 06:21.26 | sep | Wyzard, yeah anyone can get their certificate in IE if you pay microsoft enouhf |
| 06:21.29 | exobyte | doing -w with tcpdumb will give me what would be read read as though the data was a file, right? |
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| 06:21.48 | Wyzard | empty: Agreed, but that's not something that can be solved by technology |
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| 06:21.58 | jm_ | -w dumps all it receives to a file, -s 0 is also often very useful |
| 06:21.59 | empty | tcpdumb? is that like TCP over IPX? O-o |
| 06:22.03 | jim | tcpdumb and dumber? |
| 06:22.17 | exobyte | empty: it's like a type |
| 06:22.20 | exobyte | lol |
| 06:22.21 | jim | empty: we've done that |
| 06:22.22 | exobyte | typo |
| 06:22.26 | michal__ | how would i set up a system without a FQDN to send email to a mail server which doesn't accept email from places like localhost.localdomain? |
| 06:22.31 | jim | ugly, ugly |
| 06:22.37 | jim | ipx is dumb too |
| 06:22.41 | empty | jim, excuse me while I weep for you |
| 06:22.42 | exobyte | jm_: time to rtfm -s 0 |
| 06:22.55 | Wyzard | michal_: /etc/email-addresses |
| 06:22.57 | empty | I have something on my net I'd bet a dollar noone else here has |
| 06:22.58 | jim | nm that, it |
| 06:23.07 | empty | an OS/2 Warp box |
| 06:23.10 | jim | has been at least 15 years |
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| 06:23.46 | jm_ | we must have retired our OS/2 machines somewhere in 1999/2000 I guess |
| 06:23.52 | jim | never ran os2 |
| 06:24.01 | empty | legacy PBX on its way out the door |
| 06:24.06 | kwixson | Okay, thanks all for your input. I'm sure I'll be back with questions. My KLUG all are SuSe people, and usually look at me and say "Uh....we don't know Debian," whenever I ask something. |
| 06:24.27 | jim | kwixson: while you're out there... |
| 06:24.28 | empty | Is the K in LUG for KDE? hehe |
| 06:24.29 | kwixson | ..err, my LUG, that is. |
| 06:24.31 | jim | take a look at... |
| 06:24.33 | sep | hmm 2.4 kernel is keeping the time sane on esx atlest for now |
| 06:24.40 | kwixson | No, K for Kalamazoo, where I'm from. |
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| 06:24.51 | empty | I was teasing b/c of Suses love for KDE |
| 06:24.57 | kwixson | jim: Yeah? |
| 06:25.02 | jim | photo.net scorecard.org wgbh.org |
| 06:25.04 | jim | umm |
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| 06:25.11 | jim | greenpeace.org |
| 06:25.12 | nephlim | hey guys, does anyone know how to acess the GUI for pure-ftpd? |
| 06:25.15 | poonj | hey guys, anyone here have a webcam working in linux? |
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| 06:25.33 | Wyzard | poonj: I've gotten a USB QuickCam Express working, though I don't use it anymore |
| 06:25.40 | poonj | I have an ibm cit webcam v3.01....when I use the streamer program, I am able to get video... |
| 06:25.47 | poonj | but when I use the gnomemeeting wizard... |
| 06:25.52 | kwixson | jim: all PG based sites? |
| 06:25.55 | poonj | I'm getting static |
| 06:26.05 | jim | all pg, all aolserver, all acs or openacs |
| 06:26.06 | poonj | is there something I maybe doing wrong? |
| 06:26.19 | jim | actually no, not all pg, some pg, some oracle |
| 06:26.43 | kwixson | jim: Okay. Will do. Thanks. |
| 06:26.48 | jim | photo.net is oracle |
| 06:26.48 | kwixson | Night all. |
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| 06:27.12 | jim | but look at it to see what's possible |
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| 06:28.15 | kwixson | jim: Righto. Something I'll consider. Peace out. |
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| 06:30.54 | thyhorror | what is ACLs? |
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| 06:31.29 | jim | thyhorror: access control list |
| 06:31.44 | empty | jim, livejournal.com is mysql, so is (drum roll) google |
| 06:31.54 | thyhorror | jim: better than my learned unix permissions ? |
| 06:32.06 | jim | it's a list of people/privilege products |
| 06:32.14 | empty | thyhorror, it's more granular permissions |
| 06:32.17 | litage | my mic is plugged into the correct jack, but when i listen to a recording made with krec, i hear nothing. how can i fix this? |
| 06:32.27 | jim | "better" depends on how you use it |
| 06:32.32 | jm_ | thyhorror: it's a generic term - you can think of standard Unix file permissions as trivial ACL-s |
| 06:32.42 | maher | litage: use aumix to check the volume levels |
| 06:32.45 | empty | Wyzard, WTH is that? |
| 06:32.47 | jim | empty: google is -idiotic- then :) |
| 06:32.49 | thyhorror | think i get it. |
| 06:32.54 | tiglionabbit | Hello debs. What should I do to make debian understand my USB mouse? |
| 06:32.57 | empty | jim, yes, clearly :P |
| 06:33.02 | Wyzard | empty: FireWire. On a TV. |
| 06:33.13 | thyhorror | thanks jm_ jim empty |
| 06:33.18 | jm_ | tiglionabbit: don't install any cats related products on it |
| 06:33.20 | empty | jim, go argue it with Jeremy Zwodny and convert him to a postgres fan |
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| 06:33.34 | maher | jim: empty: but isn't google's database basically read only from the point of view of the front end? |
| 06:33.35 | empty | Wyzard, Ah OK |
| 06:33.52 | jim | maher: probably |
| 06:33.58 | tiglionabbit | I'm not sure what happened, but I just came back to this debian install and I can't move the mouse pointer |
| 06:34.04 | empty | maher, yes, it is... but when was the last time a google query took longer than a second for you? |
| 06:34.09 | tiglionabbit | haven't looked at it in a while |
| 06:34.16 | tiglionabbit | what would you recommend I do to fix it? |
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| 06:34.31 | maher | jim: empty: so google cares about speed only |
| 06:34.39 | jm_ | load relevant modules for USB mice and configure the software correctly |
| 06:34.48 | jim | still, google is useful |
| 06:34.59 | empty | maher, come to think of it I know they track link popularity and certainly add clicks etc |
| 06:35.04 | jim | maher: then they should look into aolserver |
| 06:35.15 | empty | jim, kind of you to cede that point :P |
| 06:35.19 | pablum | maher, googles only /concern/ is speed. transactions are not a concern. |
| 06:35.33 | maher | pablum: yes - that was my point |
| 06:35.41 | pablum | i knew that. :) |
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| 06:36.00 | maher | pablum: well at least some one understood what i was saying.. :) |
| 06:36.08 | jim | well we could zoom out and say that the main concern is money :) |
| 06:36.20 | pablum | lol |
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| 06:37.08 | tiglionabbit | thing is, it's an optic mouse, and it isn't even lighting up when I plug it in. What level of configuration do I have wrong here? |
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| 06:37.36 | maher | tiglionabbit: that's a bad sign - do you have hotplug installed |
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| 06:37.54 | jm_ | modules for it are not loaded |
| 06:37.55 | tiglionabbit | maher: might not, this is an old install I'm coming back to. Sarge unstable |
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| 06:38.26 | tiglionabbit | or no, the other was sarge, this one's woody, I forgot |
| 06:38.35 | empty | tiglionabbit, probably woody |
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| 06:38.59 | tiglionabbit | what should I do to install it? |
| 06:39.02 | empty | tiglionabbit, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 06:39.20 | MobyTurbo | tiglionabbit: you probably want to upgrade to Sarge, which has better and more up to date hardware detection by default. |
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| 06:39.24 | jm_ | you should install a real kernel and make sure the relevant modules are loaded |
| 06:39.27 | tiglionabbit | 3.0 |
| 06:39.32 | jm_ | /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 06:39.36 | jm_ | /msg dpkg usb mouse |
| 06:39.59 | MobyTurbo | tiglionabbit: yep, 3.0 is Woody |
| 06:40.04 | jim | tiglionabbit: if you want you can upgrade to sarge |
| 06:40.14 | MobyTurbo | tiglionabbit: ICYDK, Sarge is stable now |
| 06:40.20 | tiglionabbit | heh, I should probably wipe out everything on this desktop and repartition it. I haven't used it in years, and I've forgotten what everything is for-- useless to me now |
| 06:40.35 | empty | tiglionabbit, that is an a+ idea |
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| 06:40.41 | tiglionabbit | um, thank you |
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| 06:41.03 | lehel | hello |
| 06:41.05 | jim | you don't have to do that... |
| 06:41.09 | tiglionabbit | man this IDE hard disk is loud... |
| 06:41.14 | jim | you can upgrade it all in place |
| 06:41.14 | empty | the new installer is rad, it will be your favorite install of linux evar |
| 06:41.27 | tiglionabbit | empty: ever more favoriter than Ubuntu? |
| 06:41.28 | lehel | what is wrong with this command?:adduser -u 1100 -s /bin/false -d /bin/null -c "proftpd user" -g ftpgroup ftpuser |
| 06:41.40 | amyb | i just tried to complile a kernel and install it with dkpg. It removed the old /initrd.img file but doesn't appear to have created a new one. there is one in the /boot directory which looks to be from the last time i upgraded the kernel. is it safe to use this if it's the same kernel version? or did i screw something up when installing? |
| 06:41.42 | empty | tiglionabbit, yes because at the end you don't have an ubuntu box |
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| 06:41.47 | empty | afk a few |
| 06:41.57 | jim | lehel: man useradd |
| 06:42.07 | abyss | how i can unpack tar.bz2? |
| 06:42.11 | tiglionabbit | I'm thinking I want to change it around and give myself a /home partition, and stick both debian and gentoo on it |
| 06:42.13 | MobyTurbo | tiglionabbit: Ubuntu's installer is based on Sarge's |
| 06:42.20 | maher | amyb: did you use --initrd with make-kpkg |
| 06:42.20 | jim | amyb: look in /boot |
| 06:42.21 | tiglionabbit | abyss: tar xvjf thing.tar.bz |
| 06:42.31 | tiglionabbit | 2 |
| 06:42.42 | amyb | maher no. the instructions i was following didn't include that line. |
| 06:42.54 | Wyzard | "RS232C Control" -- a serial port on a TV? |
| 06:42.57 | maher | amyb: do you want/need an initrd? |
| 06:43.06 | jim | abyss: first unpack .tar.bz2 by using an un-bz2-er |
| 06:43.09 | jm_ | so chances are that your kernel doesn't need an initrd image - custom kernels typically don't |
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| 06:43.20 | jim | abyss: then you have just a .tar |
| 06:43.32 | amyb | maher: I'm still new at doing this, what does initrd do? |
| 06:43.39 | jm_ | read initrd.txt |
| 06:43.46 | jim | abyss: then you use an untarer to unpack the tar |
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| 06:43.51 | lehel | adduser: No more than two names. |
| 06:44.05 | maher | amyb: if you don't compile all the modules you need to boot into the kernel it can find them in the initrd |
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| 06:44.09 | karsten | amyb: Creates an "initial ram disk". |
| 06:44.13 | lehel | i don;t understand.. with MAN too |
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| 06:44.38 | karsten | amyb: It's a temporary minimal system created at boot to allow loading of modules necessary to complete the boot process. Usually disk / storage / SCSI drivers. |
| 06:44.47 | jim | abyss: now you just have to find an un-bz2-er and an untarer |
| 06:44.53 | jm_ | lehel: did you even read man page for it? |
| 06:45.01 | amyb | maher ah. i believe i do need that then as my sound drivers are loaded as a seperate module. should i just recompile with that option? |
| 06:45.03 | karsten | amyb: It's a hack, but a pretty cool one. |
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| 06:45.45 | jim | amyb: the initrd is for allowing you to modulize anything necessary to mount / on boot |
| 06:46.02 | lehel | jm_ i'm reading.. but you can't tell me what is the problem? |
| 06:46.15 | jim | amyb, you don't need initrd for sound |
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| 06:46.21 | jm_ | lehel: where did you see that it supports switches like -u and -s ? |
| 06:47.01 | lehel | -u uid ... -s shell |
| 06:47.02 | amyb | ok, so if i'm booting off a normal ide hard drive and i was able to boot without using initrd orginally (back using an older kernel) then it should be safe to leave out yes? |
| 06:47.14 | jm_ | lehel: no, man adduser, read |
| 06:47.26 | karsten | amyb: Most newer kernels want an initrd |
| 06:47.29 | lehel | jm_ i want useradd! |
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| 06:47.38 | karsten | amyb: If your install suggests doing it, do it. |
| 06:47.43 | lehel | tell me if you don't know useradd |
| 06:47.51 | jm_ | lehel: why are you mentioneing adduser then? |
| 06:48.07 | vollmer|h | a'right nfs question, both 2.6 kernels, with the nfs server compiled in, installed nfs-kernel-server set /data 10.0.0.0/23(rw) in the server exports file did the exportfs -a mojo, restarted nfs |
| 06:48.32 | vollmer|h | went to client box did a mount -t nfs <ip of nfs server>:/data /mnt/tmp |
| 06:48.43 | vollmer|h | mount shows it mounted as rw, and i can read the files |
| 06:48.48 | vollmer|h | but I can't write to it |
| 06:48.48 | lehel | sorry jm_ my mistek |
| 06:48.53 | amyb | karsten i'm using sarge kernel 2.4.27. do you know if that needs it? |
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| 06:49.03 | vollmer|h | anyone have any idea what I mised? |
| 06:49.13 | jm_ | lehel: so what does useradd say? |
| 06:49.16 | vollmer|h | *missed |
| 06:49.32 | karsten | amyb: What I said. |
| 06:49.41 | karsten | amyb: If the package install suggests it, go with it. |
| 06:50.08 | karsten | amyb: It's costing you ~5 MB of disk, and a second or so boot time. |
| 06:50.44 | lehel | jm_ it's ok now.. |
| 06:50.48 | jm_ | lehel: right ... |
| 06:51.05 | lehel | i confused |
| 06:51.13 | jm_ | you are indeed ;) |
| 06:51.28 | lehel | have a nice day.. or whatever |
| 06:51.29 | lehel | bye |
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| 06:54.13 | amyb | thanks for the help all. i will try recompiling with the initrd option and hope it works. i think i overwrote my old vmlinuz file so i can't boot into the old kernel. :/ |
| 06:54.34 | jm_ | vmlinuz is usually just a symlink ... |
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| 06:56.06 | amyb | jm: *nod* but i can't find a vmlinuz file in /boot with the same modified time as i last upgraded the kernel. so i think it's gone. |
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| 06:56.18 | jm_ | amyb: so use the file it pointed to |
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| 07:03.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: join spam from MonaLisa[gambler ~ApaChe@85.96.160.119 |
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| 07:03.57 | jm_ | hah |
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| 07:04.13 | jm_ | !ops test |
| 07:04.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: test |
| 07:04.36 | jm_ | wtf is this? |
| 07:04.38 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.43 | caphuso | oops |
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| 07:04.50 | Schiz0 | Hahaha. |
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| 07:04.58 | jm_ | caphuso: I was testing amyb |
| 07:05.06 | freeegg | s/HaHaHa// |
| 07:05.57 | caphuso | jm_: it's just a more or less elegant way of getting the ops' attention |
| 07:06.37 | Overand | yeah |
| 07:06.49 | Overand | and just screwing with it will probably get their attention in a negative way |
| 07:06.51 | caphuso | and since it, assuming i didn't forget to restart osd.pl after starting a new xsession, makes a big yellow "OPS WANTED" appear in the middle of my screen, not something you should abuse |
| 07:06.54 | karsten | caphuso: Why is it causing teh amyb comment? |
| 07:07.03 | Overfiend | anyone here have any GIMP-fu? |
| 07:07.19 | karsten | Overfiend: For small quantities of fu. |
| 07:07.33 | caphuso | !hrm, good question |
| 07:07.35 | Overfiend | basically so I can copy splotches of the image over itself |
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| 07:07.57 | Overfiend | wow |
| 07:08.00 | Overfiend | I'll have to try that |
| 07:08.07 | Overfiend | hrm, good question courtesy of caphuso |
| 07:08.14 | karsten | Overfiend: Maybe the clone tool? |
| 07:08.19 | Overfiend | clone tool |
| 07:08.19 | ke6isf | What is +q? |
| 07:08.21 | Overfiend | hmmm. |
| 07:08.28 | Overfiend | ke6isf: "STFU" |
| 07:08.28 | caphuso | ke6isf: quiet |
| 07:08.35 | ke6isf | Ah =^^ |
| 07:08.36 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 07:08.37 | jim | something that was applied to amyb :) |
| 07:08.41 | Overfiend | is amyb a bot? |
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| 07:08.46 | ke6isf | jim: Well, that was self-evident. =^_^= |
| 07:08.48 | jm_ | no |
| 07:08.56 | kimo | Hi, does anyone know how is RSS written, I mean is it an XML stream ? |
| 07:08.56 | karsten | Overfiend: Apparently. |
| 07:08.57 | freeegg | ^H^H |
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| 07:09.15 | streuner_ | <amyb> jm: *nod* but i can't find a vmlinuz file in /boot with the same modified time as i last upgraded the kernel. so i think it's gone. |
| 07:09.18 | karsten | kimo: Yes, it's XML. The spec's publicly available. |
| 07:09.20 | Overfiend | anyway, Hmm. Clone tool. I'll look for that |
| 07:09.21 | gihad | how can I shrink a partiton ? |
| 07:09.33 | karsten | Overfiend: It's the thing that looks like a rubber stamp. |
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| 07:09.42 | karsten | gihad: Wash it on "hot" |
| 07:09.45 | Overfiend | ahhh, ha |
| 07:09.48 | Overfiend | karsten: excellent |
| 07:09.56 | ke6isf | gihad: Stick it in the dryer! |
| 07:10.00 | karsten | gihad: Or repartition, or if you're feeling really lucky, parted. |
| 07:10.00 | streuner_ | sounds like a bot |
| 07:10.07 | jim | gihad: back up all data on the partition, delete partition, create partition, format partition, restore data |
| 07:10.31 | karsten | gihad: What jim said is my best suggestion. |
| 07:10.31 | ke6isf | gihad: Curiousity, why would you want to do that? |
| 07:10.33 | jim | also back up the partition talbe |
| 07:10.45 | Overfiend | karsten: I see it. Now I just have to figure out how to turn a selection into a pattern for the stamper. |
| 07:10.47 | gihad | ok, maybe there is a better solution |
| 07:10.52 | karsten | jim: Helps to have the reverse alarm... |
| 07:10.53 | gihad | This is my problem... |
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| 07:11.03 | karsten | Overfiend: IIRC it's a middle or right click, or ctrl... |
| 07:11.03 | jim | but no -safer- solution |
| 07:11.13 | karsten | Overfiend: ...gimping, one sec, startup.... |
| 07:11.21 | kimo | gihad, custom software can and will crash on u |
| 07:11.34 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 07:11.34 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:11.43 | gihad | I have a 63 gigas partition on my slow har ddisk, i bought a new faster 60 giga harddisk and I want to clone the old driver partition to the new one |
| 07:11.58 | jm_ | gihad: hard disk upgrade mini howto |
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| 07:12.21 | Overfiend | karsten: yeah, but a middle or right click *where*? |
| 07:12.24 | ke6isf | gihad: Why not just do a straight data copy? |
| 07:12.25 | jim | Damu, MobyTurnit! |
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| 07:12.39 | karsten | Overfiend: shift+<left click> |
| 07:12.47 | Overfiend | in which window |
| 07:12.48 | Overfiend | ? |
| 07:12.50 | Overfiend | on the canvas? |
| 07:12.51 | karsten | Overfiend: ...on the part of the image you want to clone. |
| 07:13.12 | ke6isf | gihad: cp -R / /mountpoint/of/new/device (and make sure you specifically exclude said new device) |
| 07:13.16 | karsten | Overfiend: ...then a standard left-click to do the clone. |
| 07:13.16 | jim | ke6isf: can't do that to unequal-sized partitions... unless I'm misinterpreting "straight copy" |
| 07:13.24 | ke6isf | jim: Not a dd, just a cp |
| 07:13.49 | karsten | gihad: You don't want to do what you think you want to do. |
| 07:14.09 | karsten | gihad: Partition the new drive as desired, copy data from old to new. |
| 07:14.11 | glasse | Hmm, it looks like I have two kernels that letter their IDE interfaces differently |
| 07:14.21 | Overfiend | karsten: I think I've got it, but I don't precisely remember what I did. |
| 07:14.22 | glasse | Is there any way to make an /etc/fstab per kernel? |
| 07:14.26 | Overfiend | I didn't end up using a pattern at all. |
| 07:14.26 | karsten | gihad: There's a disk migration HOWTO somewhere on the InterThingy. |
| 07:14.33 | karsten | Overfiend: I have that problem sometimes.... |
| 07:14.36 | jim | wait, new drive? all bets are halved! |
| 07:14.40 | Overfiend | you can do what I wanted just with the elliptical selector tool |
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| 07:14.50 | Overfiend | karsten: thanks, though :) |
| 07:14.51 | tiglionabbit | "Do I want to use EVMS?" |
| 07:14.51 | ke6isf | jim: ...splain? |
| 07:14.59 | karsten | Hrm.... |
| 07:14.59 | abyss | how i can say that i config the eth0 device manual by hand? |
| 07:15.11 | karsten | jim: Are your bets the halves and the halve-nots? |
| 07:15.21 | karsten | abyss: man ifconfig |
| 07:15.32 | karsten | abyss: ...or vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:15.36 | jim | no, the salve and the salve-not |
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| 07:15.59 | karsten | jim: Shall we worship you as our slavior? |
| 07:16.03 | karsten | s/slav/salv... |
| 07:16.06 | Overfiend | excellent |
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| 07:16.14 | jim | ugh, you're getting worse than me |
| 07:16.16 | abyss | auto eth0 -< what instead? |
| 07:16.24 | Overfiend | I got rid of the drop-shadow from the cropped-out letters on the "have a nice cup" guy. |
| 07:16.28 | Overfiend | http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |
| 07:16.33 | jim | I like it! |
| 07:16.58 | karsten | Overfiend: That image is missing some very critical words ... |
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| 07:17.09 | Overfiend | For those of you that care, I've published my (much-delayed) 3rd DPL report, so I felt I earned the right to spend a few minutes on something that's been annoying me for years :) |
| 07:17.15 | Overfiend | karsten: yes. |
| 07:17.38 | jim | where is it |
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| 07:18.47 | karsten | Overfiend: Turns out that the Brushes dialog has a "new brush" feature. |
| 07:19.00 | glasse | Overfiend: Condolences about your wife, what happened to her? |
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| 07:19.01 | Overfiend | ah. brushed dialog. No idea where to find that. |
| 07:19.02 | litage | when i blow into my mic, i hear the noise from the speakers. but when i play something recorded in kmix, i hear nothing. any suggestions? |
| 07:19.05 | Overfiend | er, brushes |
| 07:19.17 | Overfiend | glasse: complications from a failed urinary diversion surgery |
| 07:19.17 | karsten | Overfiend: Yes. |
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| 07:19.26 | karsten | Overfiend: ...and a brush in the hand is worth two in the ... |
| 07:19.29 | Overfiend | glasse: my wife is paraplegic and has a neurogenic bladder |
| 07:19.48 | glasse | Overfiend: Wow. Well, I hope she gets better soon. |
| 07:20.12 | karsten | litage: run 'aumix' or another mixer. Turn down the mic volume, turn up the PCM volume |
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| 07:20.32 | Overfiend | glasse: she'll hopefully be out of the hospital by this weekend, but this nuked her trip to Finland with me :( |
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| 07:20.49 | glasse | Overfiend: Can you bring her back a sauna or something? |
| 07:20.55 | litage | karsten: what should i set the mic and pcm to? |
| 07:20.55 | Overfiend | heh |
| 07:21.00 | furrywolf | what's a decent debian-packaged circuit simulation proggie? chipmunk-analog is the only one I've ever gotten to work, and I'd have to describe it as marginal at best... |
| 07:21.04 | Overfiend | she did instruct me to bring her back something "nice" :) |
| 07:21.09 | vinland | OT: whats a good laptop to get? Dell? HP? Toshiba? ...what are some other brandnames I could look into? |
| 07:21.12 | Overfiend | but I'm not sure a sauna would fit on the plane :)_ |
| 07:21.12 | litage | karsten: mic 20, pcm80? |
| 07:21.12 | datoch | \q |
| 07:21.15 | datoch | \leave |
| 07:21.18 | datoch | \l |
| 07:21.19 | glasse | Oh well. |
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| 07:21.45 | yoo | Hi everybody ! |
| 07:22.03 | karsten | litage: mic 0 |
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| 07:22.21 | karsten | litage: I believe that mic will record even if it's at 0, test to be sure. |
| 07:22.29 | litage | k |
| 07:22.31 | karsten | litage: Otherwise, use earphones to monitor levels. |
| 07:22.39 | Overfiend | karsten: reload http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |
| 07:22.44 | Overfiend | what do you think of it now? |
| 07:22.46 | Overfiend | too much? :) |
| 07:22.57 | stixxx | I am having sound trouble, root plays sounds, regular users do not, i have checked volume levels etc. on mixers but no joy |
| 07:23.05 | furrywolf | for example, I have a circuit of two transitors, a fet, two resistors, and a diode. it kills chipmunk's simulator. |
| 07:23.08 | Overfiend | I need to run pngcrush on that... |
| 07:23.11 | furrywolf | stixxx: add your user to the audio group. |
| 07:23.38 | stixxx | thank you furry |
| 07:23.51 | Overfiend | (51.85% reduction) |
| 07:23.52 | Overfiend | wow. |
| 07:23.54 | Overfiend | pngcrush *is* nice. |
| 07:24.09 | karsten | Overfiend: What is that? |
| 07:24.20 | Overfiend | you don't recognize it? :) |
| 07:24.25 | litage | karsten: i have a headset with 1 speaker on my ear and a mic boom also |
| 07:25.01 | litage | karsten: i've set pcm to 80, and mic to 0 and 20, but krec doesn't record/play anything back |
| 07:25.06 | karsten | !tell gihad about msg |
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| 07:25.14 | fooz | litage, you set record source to mic? |
| 07:25.26 | anarchy_ | anyone know how to change the from address when using mail on the command line to just pipe off an email from a script? |
| 07:25.31 | litage | fooz: where do i set that? |
| 07:25.34 | karsten | Overfiend: Not from the partial I've got loaded yet. |
| 07:25.40 | fooz | litage, depends on your mixer and sound driver |
| 07:25.49 | versus | i Have trouble with compilation fluxbox (form source)on debian sarge. At making compilation the errors show in "/usr/X11R6/include/X11/XKBlib.h:1353: error: parse error before `int'" CAn samoebody help me ? |
| 07:25.51 | Overfiend | karsten: what the hell are you doing on dialup, man? :) |
| 07:26.01 | karsten | anarchy_: You can specify any headers you want by piping straight to sendmail |
| 07:26.12 | karsten | Overfiend: Being broke. |
| 07:26.23 | karsten | Overfiend: ...and soliciting sympathy. |
| 07:26.38 | Overfiend | okay, I'll reduce the image dimensions by 4 in both axes... |
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| 07:26.44 | Overfiend | er, 4x |
| 07:26.55 | karsten | Heh. |
| 07:27.20 | karsten | Overfiend: cthulu? |
| 07:28.44 | anarchy_ | karsten: i'm needing to send html though - seems hmore effort than it's worth to send via sendmail with html content |
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| 07:29.21 | karsten | anarchy_: Possibly. |
| 07:29.30 | karsten | anarchy_: Not something I can deal with ATM. |
| 07:29.36 | versus | http://members.lycos.co.uk/versus05/fluxbox.log Error in makinr compilation of fluxbox 0.9.13 on Debian Sarge. Help plz :( |
| 07:29.59 | fooz | litage, aumix -mR |
| 07:30.03 | n1k0 | How is the status of debian security? |
| 07:30.04 | fooz | litage, should set mic to record |
| 07:30.05 | anarchy_ | is there anyway tod o it via mail |
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| 07:30.10 | fooz | litage, turn your speakers to 0 first though |
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| 07:30.38 | karsten | n1k0: It's all over the news, haven't you heard? |
| 07:30.47 | fooz | litage, cause (as i just discovered) some sound drivers are retarded and will create a goofy feedback loop of eardrum destruction even with the levels at 0 and no mic attached |
| 07:30.48 | karsten | n1k0: What specific questions do you have? |
| 07:30.48 | abyss | what i have to set (auto eth0) if i want it manual? |
| 07:31.25 | karsten | Overfiend: GIMP brush tutorial FYI: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/November2003/article314.shtml |
| 07:31.29 | n1k0 | karsten: yes i have read about it but i was just thinking what is status at the moment? going to better? |
| 07:31.45 | liable | abyss: remove that line. |
| 07:31.45 | karsten | anarchy_: man 5 interfaces |
| 07:31.52 | n1k0 | sorry about my english |
| 07:31.53 | furrywolf | grr. chipmunk is just broken. example: working circuit. simulates on 'scope perfectly. reset it, starts from power up, works pefectly. add a wire. delete the wire. no longer simulates. gives nan for all values. can't fix. |
| 07:32.07 | karsten | n1k0: That's one distict possibility. |
| 07:32.13 | karsten | n1k0: It's preferable to either of the alternatives. |
| 07:32.24 | jim | anarchy_: you don't have to do anything to the mta, you just attach (but note, people don't like attachments... for example I reject all mail that has any kind of attachment, and take other actions) |
| 07:32.26 | n1k0 | ok |
| 07:32.27 | fooz | furrywolf, the wire you added let the magic smoke escape! |
| 07:32.28 | karsten | n1k0: There've been some scaling issues, they're being addressed. |
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| 07:33.11 | furrywolf | fooz: actually, the wire I added, then removed, disables part of the circuit... and shouldn't break the circuit past a reset with it removed! |
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| 07:33.21 | fooz | furrywolf, i was joking |
| 07:33.44 | caphuso | jim: so you want to go back to the uuencode times? |
| 07:33.53 | tzafrir | hi |
| 07:34.08 | furrywolf | and it does things like simulate perfectly for a few seconds then just stop |
| 07:34.10 | jim | caphuso: I'd allow attachments by arrangement only |
| 07:34.22 | caphuso | jim: that's insane |
| 07:34.24 | jim | all others get mail to abuse@ ;) |
| 07:34.42 | karsten | caphuso: Personally, I prefer SMTP-over-smoke-signal. |
| 07:34.45 | jim | no, spam is insane |
| 07:34.55 | jim | and I don't want to deal with it every day |
| 07:34.55 | karsten | caphuso: ...with my preferred MXs set to local cannibas clubs. |
| 07:34.56 | litage | fooz: in aumix-gtk, most of the squares with red in the middle in the Rec column are toggled. what exactly does that mean? |
| 07:35.10 | fooz | i don't know aumix-gtk |
| 07:35.20 | Overfiend | well, the new image isn't flying. I'll just go back to the STFU guy with the letter drop-shot blotted out |
| 07:35.32 | Overfiend | People seem to like my leering soldier better :) |
| 07:35.37 | karsten | jim: That's a pretty lossy spam filtering technique. |
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| 07:35.59 | karsten | Overfiend: Personally, I enjoy a good cup of ... to calimaris with an attitude problem. |
| 07:36.04 | caphuso | jim: you realize that even stuff like PGP signing is done via attachments nowadays? |
| 07:36.19 | litage | fooz: `aumix -q` says that most devices are recording...? http://rafb.net/paste/results/xeiATy32.html |
| 07:36.32 | fooz | litage, set the level of 'mix' to 20 |
| 07:36.33 | karsten | caphuso: Not if he's been /dev/null'ing MIME mail for the past decade. |
| 07:36.40 | fooz | litage, aumix -x 20 |
| 07:36.47 | caphuso | karsten: it's not a spam filtering technique at all |
| 07:36.57 | jim | caphuso: I just don't care anymore |
| 07:36.59 | MobyTurbo | it's no crime to kill a MIME |
| 07:36.59 | caphuso | it's like filtering out mails with "From: " headers |
| 07:37.05 | caphuso | stupid at all accounts |
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| 07:37.22 | gihad | can i create a partition identified as hd3 being the only one on my hard disk ? |
| 07:37.35 | caphuso | jim: yes, but please don't claim that other people would do the same stupid things like you do in here |
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| 07:37.40 | litage | fooz: done. what next? |
| 07:37.46 | fooz | litage, it should work now |
| 07:37.46 | karsten | caphuso: Depends on the recipients' definition of spam. If MIME == spam, well, it sorta works. |
| 07:37.58 | jim | let's see what I said... |
| 07:38.04 | jim | anarchy_: you don't have to do anything to the mta, you just attach (but note, people don't like attachments... for example I reject all mail that has any kind of attachment, and take other actions) |
| 07:38.08 | karsten | gihad: You can, yes. Though I suspect you mean to say 'hda3' |
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| 07:38.12 | caphuso | karsten: again, that's just like "if From: header == spam" |
| 07:38.20 | jim | oh, I get it, you're accusing me of something I didn't do! |
| 07:38.21 | abyss | got a problem with my wlan connection, im in with it, i can chat, can do apt-get install xxx, i can ping but i cannot surf through a browser. What this can be? |
| 07:38.23 | anarchy_ | jim: the problem is there is no way to change the from address |
| 07:38.31 | gihad | karsten, lol I need more coffe |
| 07:38.31 | anarchy_ | I don't care if it looks like spam to be honest |
| 07:38.32 | caphuso | jim: (but note, people don't like attachments... |
| 07:38.43 | fooz | gihad, sure. the partition table's just an area of disk with 4 slots. if only slot 3's filled in, it'll appear as hda3. however, that doesn't mean standard fdisk tools can do it |
| 07:38.43 | karsten | caphuso: Trust me: I've found spam to be an issue that breeds transrational arguments. |
| 07:38.46 | fooz | i have no idea if they can or not |
| 07:38.51 | karsten | gihad: ask Overfiend, I think he's got some. |
| 07:38.56 | gihad | how do I format my entire drive as hda3 reiserfs filesystem ? |
| 07:39.01 | fooz | sfdisk can for sure, but it's not for newbies |
| 07:39.05 | karsten | fooz: fdisk can. |
| 07:39.07 | jim | ... for example --> I <-- |
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| 07:39.25 | litage | fooz: still no recording.. |
| 07:39.34 | litage | (with krec) |
| 07:39.35 | fooz | litage, is your system real new? |
| 07:39.42 | litage | fooz: hardware or software? |
| 07:39.54 | fooz | litage, hardware.. your computer |
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| 07:40.06 | fooz | what sound card? |
| 07:40.17 | jim | caphuso: did I lie in anything I said? |
| 07:40.22 | jim | no. |
| 07:40.33 | caphuso | i've seen all kind of attachment filterings being done... wipe out mails with .pif and .exe files, those with attachments larger than X MiB, ... |
| 07:40.37 | caphuso | jim: (but note, people don't like attachments... |
| 07:40.49 | fooz | fancy new retarded nforce boards come wired with the mic and line in sockets as sound channel 3/4 and 5/6 outputs |
| 07:40.49 | jim | is that a lie? |
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| 07:40.54 | rocky23 | ive got a daemon i want to run and i want to read its output and i want it to run in the backround, am i using the right commands as nothing is being output in the log " /usr/sbin/popbeforesmtp -d > /var/log/popbeforesmtp.log &" |
| 07:40.56 | caphuso | jim: this is not true. _you_ don't like attachments |
| 07:40.57 | ogy | hello |
| 07:41.24 | caphuso | jim: the huge majority of people actually like them |
| 07:41.25 | jim | anyone who's been spammed can see that a lot of the time they have attachments |
| 07:41.30 | abyss | no body knows? |
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| 07:41.58 | anarchy_ | okay if I want to have the from address changed in the headers and the content type, how can i get both tow ork? i assume it's a return carraige or something between the two? |
| 07:42.07 | karsten | jim: MIME in and of itself likely has a relatively low true positive, and a very high false positive, correlation with spam. |
| 07:42.21 | abyss | Starting web server: Apache2(13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 |
| 07:42.21 | abyss | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 07:42.21 | abyss | Unable to open logs |
| 07:42.21 | jim | well this is good, because at least you know to give me a heads up before you send me anything but plain text |
| 07:42.27 | abyss | how i can fixe this? |
| 07:42.29 | litage | fooz: just put the machine together yesterday, but the mobo's a few years old i believe....http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/MSI_845PE_Max2_1.html |
| 07:42.33 | karsten | jim: There are a large number of much more reliable predictors, many of which are computationally cheap. |
| 07:42.38 | ogy | eum anny other sarge users here that have noticed there are pid's missing form /proc ? |
| 07:42.48 | karsten | abyss: You've got a running server at :80. |
| 07:42.50 | caphuso | jim: duh, plain text and attachments are two completely different issues |
| 07:42.58 | jim | spamassassin wouldn't be one of those |
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| 07:43.04 | affect | Slovakia |
| 07:43.05 | fooz | heheheh ogy is rooted |
| 07:43.13 | ogy | nop fooz |
| 07:43.16 | jim | caphuso: plain text has no attachments |
| 07:43.19 | abyss | karsten, no, the same problem by viewing websites on port 80 |
| 07:43.19 | caphuso | jim: nonsense |
| 07:43.22 | fooz | litage, k. i dunno then |
| 07:43.28 | karsten | jim: bogofilter is. IP filtering is. greymilter is.... |
| 07:43.29 | fooz | litage, try playing with things |
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| 07:43.42 | fooz | litage, or buy a new sound card |
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| 07:43.50 | abyss | karsten, i can chat,i can do all in the net instead of surfing |
| 07:43.54 | fooz | not that i'd recommend any. all sound cards are crap |
| 07:43.57 | Coke | abyss: either your port 80 is already in use by another process or your configuration does not tell Apache to listen to port 80. Setting a port is done in two steps, 1) Listen <port> and 2) Port <port>. |
| 07:44.01 | ogy | id did the missing pid's are from mysql and named |
| 07:44.13 | liable | abyss: firewall? |
| 07:44.27 | abyss | on box not - router yes |
| 07:44.38 | deepz | i have tcng installed on debian sarge |
| 07:44.43 | abyss | but 5 mins before all seems to be ok |
| 07:44.45 | deepz | my kernel is 2.6.9 |
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| 07:44.57 | deepz | howvere there is no tcsim |
| 07:45.18 | liable | abyss: 5 mins before you did what? |
| 07:45.36 | abyss | surf in the web, the apache works |
| 07:45.36 | ogy | fooz can you run a check ls /proc ls /proc -a |
| 07:45.40 | abyss | then it does not |
| 07:45.46 | fooz | even the implied warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose |
| 07:45.56 | abyss | i start to restart apacheand this error was shown |
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| 07:46.10 | fooz | litage, anyway, my shit works fine |
| 07:46.15 | jim | caphuso: frankly, and I've said this before, I don't care. I'll do just about anything to get rid of spam as a whole, including full cooperation with law enforcement or anything else I have to do |
| 07:46.15 | karsten | abyss: netstat -lvpt as root |
| 07:46.17 | fooz | litage, sounds like you should get a new sound card if yours doesn't |
| 07:46.23 | abyss | btw. i mean with surfin not onmy local box, i mean the www |
| 07:46.34 | karsten | abyss: If you've got apache listening to port 80, you've got to kill it first. If something else is listening, find out what. |
| 07:46.40 | litage | fooz: audio works fine; didn't need to set anything up |
| 07:46.48 | d03boy | I'm trying to get java to work in firefox using this line: $ ln -s /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_07/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/firefox-<yourversion>/plugins |
| 07:46.48 | litage | fooz: it's just the mic that's causing troubles |
| 07:46.48 | rocky23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.50 | karsten | abyss: Alternatively, you may have multiple 'listen' directives in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 07:46.51 | ogy | fooz it works fine still wood like some more confermation on this |
| 07:46.56 | d03boy | except I have java 1.5 |
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| 07:47.16 | fooz | ogy, all my /proc entries are there |
| 07:47.17 | caphuso | jim: that's fine. just don't claim that your fucked up way is what people in general are doing, and don't pretend you understand the situation if you don't |
| 07:47.17 | EruditeHermit | hi, does kernel-package still use GCC 3.3? |
| 07:47.19 | fooz | i don't use mysql |
| 07:47.21 | d03boy | it seems that /usr/lib/firefox-<yourversion>/plugins doesnt exist? what should i do? |
| 07:47.40 | ogy | fooz and bind ? |
| 07:47.49 | jim | don't tell me what to do, then we'll get along better. |
| 07:47.53 | Coke | jim: I wonder why it's taking forever to get laws against spam when it took basically no time for copyright-related laws to be constituted and enforced. not to mention the third time vote (and once again a no) on software patents. I guess it's because it's the little man who is paying for the spam. |
| 07:47.54 | abyss | no port 80 |
| 07:47.56 | fooz | ogy, all my proc entries are there. even bind's |
| 07:48.00 | jm_ | d03boy: /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-firefox |
| 07:48.03 | fooz | ogy, you probably are r00ted |
| 07:48.06 | fooz | heheh |
| 07:48.06 | d03boy | jm_, thanks |
| 07:48.10 | ogy | no fooz |
| 07:48.20 | jm_ | d03boy: sorry, remove mozilla/ from that |
| 07:48.22 | abyss | karsten, the result is negative, no apache is running |
| 07:48.23 | ogy | its been tested on servers that arent even online |
| 07:48.23 | fooz | how do you know? |
| 07:48.28 | fooz | heh |
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| 07:48.47 | fooz | litage, maybe your microphone is bad. maybe you adjusted your mixer settings wrong |
| 07:48.48 | d03boy | jm_, appreciate it |
| 07:48.54 | TinoW | hi |
| 07:48.56 | fooz | litage, play with things |
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| 07:49.09 | abyss | karsten, but i dont think that this is an error from my wlan stick cause the chat and apt-get works |
| 07:49.15 | karsten | abyss: check your httpd.conf for multiple listen directives. |
| 07:49.25 | jim | Coke: I find those issues wholly orthogonal to those of spam in my mailbox (I think they jailed someone in Virginia some months back) |
| 07:49.26 | karsten | abyss: chat & apt-get have nothing to do with apache's problem |
| 07:49.28 | jm_ | d03boy: why don't you use java-package? |
| 07:49.34 | fooz | litage, linux's i810 driver never gets the mixers right because so many boards wire it so many ways |
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| 07:49.39 | d03boy | jm_, already did... it didnt work for some reason |
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| 07:49.44 | deadcat | karsten: did you see the clips? |
| 07:49.44 | jim | and he's doing federal time |
| 07:49.49 | fooz | litage, try alsa instead of oss or something |
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| 07:50.12 | ogy | fooz the best way to report this wood be ? |
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| 07:50.23 | jm_ | d03boy: it doesn't work with EE edition of Java |
| 07:50.26 | fooz | ogy, i don't know. are you sure there is really a problem? |
| 07:50.27 | abyss | karsten, the problem is not the apache, i cant start this fine, my problem is that i cant surf in the net, it deosnt matter which browser ill take (mozilla,ephany,links) but i can chat and do apt-get installs |
| 07:50.33 | fooz | ogy, try the linux kernel mailing list |
| 07:50.37 | Coke | jim: well, regarding copyright and software patents, they are being lobbied for by huge corporations who fill the politicians pockets with money, but it's you me and all end-users who pay for the bandwidth consumed by spam and we don't pay politicians nearly enough to make anything happen. |
| 07:50.37 | jim | he was also doing scams too, but it's still enheartening... but it doesn't reduce the work I have to do every day |
| 07:50.40 | fooz | ogy, or google |
| 07:50.45 | ogy | its not a kernel problem |
| 07:50.56 | jim | I don't care about software patents and copyright! |
| 07:51.00 | fooz | missing /proc entries is a kernel problem |
| 07:51.04 | genius | hey everyone |
| 07:51.04 | abyss | karsten, but now 10 mins before it works |
| 07:51.06 | jim | I want my spam gone. |
| 07:51.14 | jim | that's ALL. |
| 07:51.20 | ogy | they are not missing just not visible |
| 07:51.25 | fooz | usually it means you're rooted, or running a security through obscurity patch |
| 07:51.25 | caphuso | by disrupting mail at whole? good plan... |
| 07:51.26 | Coke | jim: my point was simply this; unless someone starts paying the politicians nothing will happen. |
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| 07:51.33 | fooz | like grsecurity |
| 07:51.40 | genius | how to configure ircd-hybrid to make other computers connect to my irc server? |
| 07:51.49 | TinoW | jim: sure you care. You care both. |
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| 07:52.08 | litage | fooz: when i switched to alsa, this error occured: http://rafb.net/paste/results/SKgeQv58.html |
| 07:52.08 | fooz | it's amazing how much music fits on an ipod |
| 07:52.08 | genius | default configure seem not work. |
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| 07:52.16 | genius | how to configure ircd-hybrid to make other computers connect to my irc server? |
| 07:52.32 | fooz | litage, error from what? |
| 07:52.37 | fooz | litage, that's no alsa or kernel error |
| 07:52.37 | TinoW | genius: well, you just configure it - read the config file |
| 07:52.45 | jim | TinoW: they're separate, and right now I'm not thinking about copyrights and patents, because they are NOT RELEVENT. |
| 07:52.48 | fooz | litage, that looks like some sound server error. you misconfigured some program |
| 07:53.04 | Schiz0 | genius- try asking it in the ircd-hybrid help channel, or the documentation |
| 07:53.10 | TinoW | genius: you cannot configure it so other computers automatically connect but you can configure it to make it possible to connect to it ;) |
| 07:53.32 | Schiz0 | Hmm, that would rock. Force people onto your server. Haha. |
| 07:53.38 | fooz | litage, you probably forgot to load OSS emulation under alsa |
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| 07:53.47 | genius | telnet localhost 6667, it's ok. |
| 07:53.50 | cprogrammer521 | Hello everyone. Are you tired of paying too much for car insurance? Well too bad, i cant help you. Anyway, how is everybody doing? Im in the process of getting a Linux recruit |
| 07:53.51 | TinoW | genius: *hint* if you dont know anything about IRC, read a lot of documentation before even trying to run an IRC-server |
| 07:53.58 | liable | abyss: does the interface use dhcp? |
| 07:54.03 | ogy | fooz i know my kernels as i build them myself this problem came with the upgrade to sarge |
| 07:54.13 | jm_ | TinoW: actually you can - IRC servers can connect to other servers to form a network (i.e. leafs connect to hubs), but I don't think he wants that |
| 07:54.15 | abyss | liable, yes it does |
| 07:54.16 | fooz | ogy, well i don't know man |
| 07:54.32 | jim | TinoW: he's a genius, he already knows to do that |
| 07:54.35 | TinoW | jim: yes. But they cant get others to automatically connect if they dont want ;) |
| 07:54.37 | genius | but telnet xxx-server 6667, return error. |
| 07:54.41 | abyss | liable, name resolving works |
| 07:54.52 | jim | that can never happen anyway |
| 07:54.53 | TinoW | jim: kinda forced summon .-) |
| 07:55.17 | liable | abyss: try bringing it down, then up again. (just for shits and giggles) |
| 07:55.29 | abyss | already done |
| 07:55.34 | vipe | what is the argument by using `dpkg --set-selections iptables <argument> to blacklist the current package (not to be uninstall but not to touch at all) ? |
| 07:55.47 | jm_ | vipe: /msg dpkg hold |
| 07:55.51 | liable | abyss: look at your router then... |
| 07:55.59 | vipe | jm_: thx |
| 07:56.05 | abyss | liable, why on the router |
| 07:56.12 | jim | TinoW: that an ircop would use for example? |
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| 07:56.24 | TinoW | jim: yes, only the ircop can use it |
| 07:56.33 | ogy | oke fooz thanks for your time i hope they take notice of it an fix it so not every admin has to flip an think is servers have been rooted while infackt i'ts a small bug |
| 07:56.34 | jm_ | dancer-ircd supports that |
| 07:56.41 | liable | abyss: cant think of anything better. Try wgetting something too. |
| 07:56.48 | jim | dancer is a forkbrid |
| 07:56.49 | abyss | liable, here |
| 07:56.50 | abyss | DHCPREQUEST on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 |
| 07:56.50 | abyss | DHCPACK from 192.168.98.1 |
| 07:56.50 | abyss | SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 07:56.50 | abyss | bound to 192.168.98.5 -- renewal in 129600 seconds. |
| 07:56.51 | *** kick/#debian [abyss!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 07:56.55 | jm_ | or does it? I remember one can at least set someone's IRCNAME, not sure about nick |
| 07:56.57 | liable | stupid |
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| 07:57.19 | abyss | sry nvm |
| 07:57.24 | liable | abyss: dont paste |
| 07:57.35 | abyss | where i get a pastebin? |
| 07:57.45 | TinoW | jm_: funny. The module wasnt that much work :) I only had to change it during the last update since they changed the API |
| 07:57.47 | liable | abyss: /msg dpkg paste |
| 07:57.48 | streuner_ | !paste |
| 07:57.48 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 07:57.54 | jim | he can paste, as long as it's not much longer than one line |
| 07:58.00 | abyss | DHCPACK from 192.168.98.1 |
| 07:58.00 | abyss | SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 07:58.00 | abyss | bound to 192.168.98.5 -- renewal in 129600 seconds. |
| 07:58.02 | jm_ | TinoW: do you also use services with hybrid? |
| 07:58.05 | streuner_ | hahaaaaa |
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| 07:58.09 | ralf | hi all |
| 07:58.12 | deepz | tcsim is not there in tcng which was installed with sarge kernel 2.6.9 |
| 07:58.17 | ralf | can apt repair a system? |
| 07:58.19 | TinoW | jm_: "use services"? |
| 07:58.27 | jim | abyss: umm, you're doing it again? |
| 07:58.29 | jm_ | TinoW: nickserv, chanserv, ... |
| 07:58.30 | deepz | how do i install it |
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| 07:58.34 | ralf | let's say i have removed /usr/share |
| 07:58.39 | ralf | can I have the list of missing files? |
| 07:58.40 | TinoW | jm_: no, not yet |
| 07:58.59 | Gnea | ralf: no. |
| 07:59.14 | jm_ | ralf: of course you can, what kind of stupid question is this? |
| 07:59.18 | abyss | no i make /msg dpkg paste |
| 07:59.21 | Gnea | ralf: not easily, of course |
| 07:59.31 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:59.46 | jm_ | dpkg keeps that info in /var/lib/dpkg/info ... |
| 07:59.47 | TinoW | jm_: apt can exchange my harddrive and repair my ram? ;) |
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| 08:00.01 | ralf | export pkg=`dpkg -S /usr/share` |
| 08:00.01 | jm_ | TinoW: you wish! |
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| 08:00.11 | ralf | apt-get --reinstall install $pkg |
| 08:00.16 | TinoW | apt-get upgrade cpu |
| 08:00.17 | TinoW | ;-) |
| 08:00.45 | Gnea | ralf: sorta |
| 08:00.51 | jim | apt always exchanges hds for corvus constellations that were current around 1980... |
| 08:01.06 | jim | they're nothing if not purty |
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| 08:01.50 | ralf | apt 6 complains about packages aren't signed |
| 08:01.52 | litage | when you set the audio device to autodetect, how can you determine what was selected? |
| 08:01.58 | abyss | liable, its difficult to make a paste entrie on a paste board without www |
| 08:02.13 | ralf | how can i make my packages signed? |
| 08:02.13 | ralf | packages in my repository |
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| 08:02.22 | abyss | liable, in this fact can ill paste you some in a PM? |
| 08:02.29 | jim | ralf: sign them :) |
| 08:02.40 | Schiz0 | Haha. |
| 08:02.58 | jim | I mean, what else? |
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| 08:03.30 | jim | if they're unsigned, then what, they cant' be negative? |
| 08:03.43 | abyss | hey liable, im sorry but i though you meant /msg dpkg paste <text> |
| 08:03.50 | furrywolf | argh. it's the middle of the night, and I still can't get chipmunk not to randomly break. why, exactly, is this in debian? /me goes off to bed |
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| 08:04.05 | chatmandoo | yoyoyo |
| 08:04.07 | chatmandoo | wassup |
| 08:04.15 | chatmandoo | any devian based live cd |
| 08:04.18 | chatmandoo | debian |
| 08:04.23 | Schiz0 | O_o |
| 08:04.23 | Schiz0 | o_O |
| 08:04.24 | abyss | and there where 4 lines in buffer, one goes to dpkg the rest in channel, im sorry for that |
| 08:04.42 | liable | abyss: use #flood |
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| 08:04.44 | abyss | chatmandoo, knoppix |
| 08:04.46 | Schiz0 | MEPIS is based of Debian, I believe. |
| 08:04.49 | jim | abyss: gotta learn irc |
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| 08:04.53 | MobyTurbo | ~tell chatmandoo -about debian based |
| 08:05.11 | chatmandoo | ? |
| 08:05.15 | litage | fooz: should pcm be set to record? |
| 08:05.18 | chatmandoo | lol |
| 08:05.18 | litage | fooz: or play? |
| 08:05.19 | MobyTurbo | !debian based |
| 08:05.19 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 08:05.24 | fooz | litage, play |
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| 08:05.26 | chatmandoo | mepis is that mepis tennisea? |
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| 08:05.41 | Schiz0 | chatmandoo- No. MEPIS linux. |
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| 08:05.56 | liable | abyss: try 'wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.1r0/main/binary-i386/Release' |
| 08:05.56 | chatmandoo | ahh |
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| 08:06.18 | Schiz0 | chatmandoo- I've used it before, it's good. http://mepis.org |
| 08:06.18 | chatmandoo | not meaning to bash but is there x86_64 version |
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| 08:06.29 | furrywolf | I make a circuit, it works. I change something, it breaks. I change it back, it still doesn't work, even after resetting the simulation. then mysteriously it will start working later. or it won't. |
| 08:06.33 | abyss | works |
| 08:06.46 | Schiz0 | chatmandoo- probally. |
| 08:06.48 | Schiz0 | Check the site. |
| 08:06.51 | rocky23 | ive got a daemon i want to run and i want to read its output and i want it to run in the backround, am i using the right commands as nothing is being output in the log " /usr/sbin/popbeforesmtp -d > /var/log/popbeforesmtp.log &.. but i get, why would it terminate?[2] Terminated /usr/sbin/popbeforesmtp -d /var/log/popbeforesmtp.log 2>&1 |
| 08:06.52 | MobyTurbo | !mepis |
| 08:06.52 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
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| 08:07.10 | chatmandoo | Schiz0, its 32 bit |
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| 08:07.29 | Gnea | ralf: install gnupg |
| 08:07.32 | Schiz0 | wait, you can't use debian sources in a mepis source list? |
| 08:07.35 | Schiz0 | I did that all the time. |
| 08:07.36 | Schiz0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.41 | abyss | ill pasted the output from dhcp client in the #flood channel how u can see this now? |
| 08:07.41 | jm_ | rocky23: well sometimes daemon will fork itself and start another process to detach from the shell |
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| 08:07.46 | jim | chatmandoo: what are you trying to accomplish |
| 08:07.47 | abyss | liable, |
| 08:08.07 | litage | fooz: `aumix -wP` and `aumix -w P` have no effect; pcm isn't set to play... |
| 08:08.15 | fooz | leave pcm alone then |
| 08:08.15 | Azar | !iptables |
| 08:08.15 | dpkg | [iptables] the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.samba.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 08:08.20 | chatmandoo | just a live cd for my laptop so that i have emergency os and i need it 64 bit version |
| 08:08.24 | chatmandoo | if there i s one |
| 08:08.31 | chatmandoo | with wireless support |
| 08:08.34 | chatmandoo | and wpa |
| 08:08.36 | chatmandoo | ndiswrapper |
| 08:08.40 | Gnea | ralf: i can get ya this far then you have to take it from there: grep -L \/usr\/share\/ /var/lib/dpkg/info/* | sed -e 's/.md5sums//g' -e 's/.postinst//g' -e 's/.postrm//g' -e 's/.preinst//g' -e 's/.prerm//g' -e 's/.shlibs//g' -e 's/.conffiles//g' -e 's/.list//g' -e 's/.templates//g' | uniq | sort |
| 08:08.42 | chatmandoo | wpa supplicant that is |
| 08:08.50 | glasse | Schiz0: I tried to use Debian sources in Mepis but it wound up being more work than just installing Debian |
| 08:08.52 | abyss | chatmandoo, depends on your card and driver support |
| 08:09.00 | liable | abyss: try 'wget http://www.google.com' |
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| 08:09.05 | jim | chatmandoo: why? if it' |
| 08:09.09 | MobyTurbo | chatmandoo: Debian has no live CD. There are some non-Debian "Debian based" live CDs, but they aren't supported here. |
| 08:09.22 | Schiz0 | glasse- I didn't have much of a problem, but then again, back when I used mepis, I had no idea what I was doing, linux wise |
| 08:09.27 | chatmandoo | ok |
| 08:09.29 | chatmandoo | sorry |
| 08:09.33 | abyss | liable, works |
| 08:09.33 | jim | chatmandoo: why? if it's for emergency use, i386 should work just fine... |
| 08:09.44 | liable | abyss: ok, not port related then.. |
| 08:09.48 | chatmandoo | k |
| 08:09.56 | chatmandoo | jim u know a good live cd |
| 08:09.57 | jim | (and if it does, that gives you a wider selection) |
| 08:10.01 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 08:10.01 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:10.03 | abyss | i think its a socket error |
| 08:10.04 | chatmandoo | i just dunno where to look for |
| 08:10.09 | jim | try the one they're talking about |
| 08:10.10 | rocky23 | jm: if i just run /usr/sbin/popbeforesmtp it doesnt detach from the shell it stays on the console |
| 08:10.15 | chatmandoo | i run gnoppix 32 bit with no luck |
| 08:10.16 | litage | how do you change the audio device (eg: arts, oss) on the cli? |
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| 08:10.22 | abyss | liable i use a zydast zd1211 wlan usb stick for the net |
| 08:10.50 | chatmandoo | well it ran but its been like my grub boot loader |
| 08:10.53 | chatmandoo | ;) |
| 08:11.09 | abyss | liable, you get what i posted in the flood channel? |
| 08:11.10 | incorrect | i want to stop a root login shell via ssh and password |
| 08:11.10 | jm_ | rocky23: so maybe it's related to you using -d or putting it into background |
| 08:11.15 | MobyTurbo | rocky23: then append an & to the end of the command and it will run in the background |
| 08:11.25 | rocky23 | MobyTurbo: thats what i just idd |
| 08:11.25 | ralf | jim: how? i need a Release.gpg? |
| 08:11.31 | incorrect | if i turn off PAM support users can't authenticate, |
| 08:11.47 | rocky23 | jm_: the -d allows it to run in debug mode so i can actualyl see it logging :) thats what i want |
| 08:11.48 | ke6isf | incorrect: There's the sshd.conf file somewhere in /etc. Look for comments and edit. |
| 08:11.51 | MobyTurbo | rocky23: did you also redirect stdout and stderr to null or to log files as one wishes? |
| 08:11.59 | chatmandoo | jim, any ideas |
| 08:12.07 | liable | abyss: yes. |
| 08:12.13 | jim | ralf how can i make my packages signed? |
| 08:12.14 | ralf | |sort |uniq maybe |
| 08:12.18 | jm_ | rocky23: well you'll have to "debug" it to find out why it does that |
| 08:12.21 | jim | by SIGNING them! |
| 08:12.22 | rocky23 | MobyTurbo: is that what this is doing "/usr/sbin/popbeforesmtp -d > /var/log/popbeforesmtp.log &." |
| 08:12.30 | jm_ | &. ??? |
| 08:12.36 | abyss | what this mean that the file exists? |
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| 08:12.48 | jim | run dpkg-buildpackage to build them, I think that does it automatically |
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| 08:12.56 | ke6isf | abyss: ...exactly that? |
| 08:13.10 | rocky23 | jm_: sorry the . isnt meant to be there |
| 08:13.22 | incorrect | ke6isf, if you set PermitRootLogin without-password root can still login via PAM, if you set UsePAM to no, then only rsa key users can auth |
| 08:13.22 | liable | abyss: buggered if I know, try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 08:13.40 | jim | ke6isf: maybe not, for network it could mean "already configured" or "already configured with the same ip" |
| 08:13.47 | MobyTurbo | bbiab |
| 08:13.55 | jim | u will? |
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| 08:14.04 | ke6isf | incorrect: Are you attempting to allow RSA based root login? |
| 08:14.21 | incorrect | ke6isf, root RSA only, users password |
| 08:14.23 | pif | hi, any reason why some binaries would have lost their suid bit on an unstable box? |
| 08:14.24 | incorrect | and RSA |
| 08:14.33 | rocky23 | jm_: i can see the process running in ps aux, and it creates the log file but nothing is being outputted to it |
| 08:14.55 | jim | pif: because the box is running unstable! |
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| 08:15.02 | ke6isf | incorrect: I've seen the examples in a Mandreck config file. Lemme look at my wife's box, hang on. |
| 08:15.09 | jim | anything can happen, and it usually does |
| 08:15.16 | abyss | liable, this works not file not exist, but i cant use the www |
| 08:15.25 | incorrect | ke6isf, thanks |
| 08:15.25 | abyss | through browser |
| 08:15.25 | jm_ | rocky23: like I said, you'll need to debug the process, it depends on how it's written |
| 08:15.38 | rocky23 | jm_: the -d puts it in to debug mode |
| 08:15.41 | paivakil | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.42 | paivakil | filterd in a nmap portscn? |
| 08:15.55 | jm_ | rocky23: I didn't mean this debug, I mean check the code and what happens and so on |
| 08:16.15 | jim | paivakil: read the docs... what, you're trying to samba into it |
| 08:16.16 | jim | ? |
| 08:16.22 | rocky23 | jm_: well if i run it without piping it to a log then it logs on the screen fine and i cant read c code :( |
| 08:16.32 | liable | abyss: no idea, sorry :( |
| 08:16.52 | pif | jim: thanks for letting us know you don't have the answer |
| 08:16.56 | jm_ | rocky23: you can always use nohup or script to log the output |
| 08:17.04 | abyss | liable, no problem, thank you for taking that time to try |
| 08:17.16 | liable | abyss: no worries. |
| 08:17.21 | jim | pif: you're so very welcome ;) |
| 08:17.49 | jim | pif but from now on, don't mention it... |
| 08:17.59 | paivakil | jim?? that result of nmap into my system |
| 08:18.18 | paivakil | I am a bit confused - am I r00ted? |
| 08:18.44 | jim | paivakil: why? that wasn't the case before? |
| 08:18.54 | rocky23 | jm_: something like this nohup /usr/sbin/popbeforesmtp -d > /var/log/popbeforesmtp.log & ? as thats not outputting to the log file either :/ |
| 08:18.55 | ke6isf | incorrect: Couldn't find it in the config, but check man 5 sshd_config - this should explain it. |
| 08:19.12 | paivakil | no idea - this is a fresh install - and now I have an always on |
| 08:19.12 | jim | or had you done an nmap before? what's the history? you should be more specific as to what you' |
| 08:19.13 | paivakil | connection, |
| 08:19.21 | paivakil | so startd to look into things like this |
| 08:19.43 | jim | are after, what the specifics of your situation is, and what you're really trying to accomplish |
| 08:19.45 | jm_ | rocky23: info coreutils nohup |
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| 08:20.16 | jim | so what is the significance of the ports you mention? |
| 08:20.19 | Schiz0 | jim- he port scanned himself and he found that those ports are open. |
| 08:20.29 | Schiz0 | at least, that's what I think I understand so far. |
| 08:20.42 | paivakil | Schiz0: precisely - and from a differnt IP |
| 08:20.47 | jim | yeah, I guess he found some open ports and some filtered ports |
| 08:21.04 | paivakil | the open ports, I understand; but why th filtered ports? |
| 08:21.26 | jim | becasue there's a filter applied? |
| 08:21.41 | litage | how can i determine which version of alsa i have? |
| 08:21.48 | paivakil | this is a standalone desktop; with just pdnsd, cups and ntpdate (client) running |
| 08:22.01 | jim | paivakil: debian box? |
| 08:22.02 | Aronofsky | hi , Hi got a little pb, i have a dir with a lot of files , and i want to rename all those files with the same name but adding some string at the begining, ' exemple 3 files aaa,bbb,ccc, will all become, X-aaa, X-bbb,X-ccc, how can I do that ? |
| 08:22.04 | paivakil | I have not tweaked iptables - |
| 08:22.16 | Guerin | Aronofsky: man rename |
| 08:22.27 | jim | paivakil: try iptables -L |
| 08:22.36 | jm_ | Aronofsky: man rename ; man mmv ; or use one of the GUI tools |
| 08:22.37 | jim | (and don't show us any of that :P ) |
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| 08:22.39 | paivakil | jim: ys |
| 08:22.42 | paivakil | debian unstable |
| 08:22.43 | ke6isf | Aronofsky: A for loop |
| 08:22.52 | Aronofsky | Guerin, i read it but i don't see how to use it it for that purpose |
| 08:22.56 | Guerin | ke6isf: waste of fucking time |
| 08:23.14 | Guerin | Aronofsky: rename 's/^/foo/' * |
| 08:23.31 | Guerin | Aronofsky: i'll have my silver platter back when you've finished |
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| 08:23.50 | paivakil | jim: it is the default - blank lines |
| 08:24.07 | jim | I have no idea why it's doing that... |
| 08:24.19 | rocky23 | jm_: thanks but it still doesnt seem to output, its so werird, its annoying as it was running but wasnt working properly after a few hours.. so i wanted to read a log to check if its doing anything |
| 08:24.25 | jim | especially given I don't run unstable |
| 08:24.35 | transgress | okay ever since i updated my kernel with apt, my net connection doesn't start at boot |
| 08:24.38 | jm_ | rocky23: you're supposed to use it without -d ... |
| 08:24.39 | jim | but didn't you have a problem you were trying to solve? |
| 08:24.45 | Azar | paivakil, iptables come without any configuration in Debian install you have to configure them |
| 08:24.53 | transgress | anyone know what i need to do to make it start automagically again? |
| 08:25.02 | Aronofsky | Guerin, doesn't seem to work , but rename take 3 args |
| 08:25.19 | jim | transgress: find out why it stopped |
| 08:25.36 | rocky23 | jm_: if i run it without the -d then i wont get no logging, so then thats useless ? :) |
| 08:25.40 | transgress | jim: doesn't return any errors... and i'm fucking clueless... if i run ifup right after it's fine |
| 08:26.15 | paivakil | Azar: but my question is, why are the ports showing filtered - I |
| 08:26.15 | paivakil | have not tweaked the iptables; nor installed anything like that!! |
| 08:26.19 | jim | maybe it can't ifup at the particular point it tries when booting |
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| 08:26.35 | jm_ | rocky23: sorry, without redirecting it |
| 08:26.38 | jim | you'd want to know if and why that is the case |
| 08:26.44 | Azar | paivakil, how do you know they are filtered? |
| 08:27.01 | rocky23 | jm_: yes i did that it creates a file nohup.out but that file also contains nothing lol :) |
| 08:27.09 | paivakil | nmap |
| 08:27.15 | Aronofsky | Guerin, did you try it ? |
| 08:27.30 | Azar | oh |
| 08:27.42 | Azar | maybe tcpwrapping if yoru iptables are not set up |
| 08:27.46 | jim | transgress: did you get that? |
| 08:27.54 | Guerin | Aronofsky: i have used rename successfully on hundreds of occasions; that works. |
| 08:28.05 | paivakil | Azar: ok |
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| 08:28.12 | transgress | jim yes |
| 08:28.27 | transgress | jim: as i said... it's not tossing any errors or anything though... it's just not doing it |
| 08:28.28 | rocky23 | jm_: you know the reason im doing this is because when i upgraded to sarge, postfiix uses a different version of berkley db, a later version and pop-before-smtp still runs the one it did in stable and so postfix cant read pop-before-smtps output, so some guy wrote a version in c instead of perl to get round this.. except i cant get it to work as well at all :/ |
| 08:28.40 | jim | maybe it can't ifup at the particular point it tries when booting |
| 08:28.42 | jim | you'd want to know if and why that is the case |
| 08:28.46 | jim | transgress: did you get that? |
| 08:28.52 | transgress | yes i did |
| 08:29.05 | jim | ok |
| 08:29.08 | transgress | and again... if that were the case it seems it would toss an error in the logs about it not being able to do it |
| 08:29.18 | Aronofsky | Guerin, I just tried rename 's/^/foo/' * and it doesn't work |
| 08:29.21 | transgress | jim: but instead... it's just... not starting. |
| 08:29.22 | jim | that's probably true |
| 08:29.29 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 08:29.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 08:29.34 | transgress | and the rc.d file is there |
| 08:29.35 | jim | so you'd want to find out why |
| 08:29.57 | jm_ | rocky23: well maybe it exits so that's why it doesn't print anything, or try killing it and then check nohup.log |
| 08:30.04 | transgress | well blow me and call me suzy... which is why i'm here. asking... if anyone would know why... sorry i'm a smartass at 3:30am |
| 08:30.08 | jim | edit the file, make it echo a knock knock joke |
| 08:30.15 | jim | just so you know it's trying |
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| 08:31.01 | rocky23 | HmJ: done both, thanks for your help anyway |
| 08:31.08 | jim | transgress: I can't tell why due to my lack of proximity to your machine :) |
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| 08:31.49 | grammaton | hello all |
| 08:32.19 | jim | you have to do things, investigate, pull things apart a little |
| 08:32.23 | grammaton | does anybody have a primary and secondary DNS address for me to use |
| 08:32.38 | jim | grammaton: install your own dns |
| 08:32.52 | HmJ | grammaton 84.32.38.10 84.32.38.11 :) |
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| 08:33.18 | grammaton | thank you HmJ |
| 08:33.20 | ke6isf | grammaton: Your ISP should |
| 08:33.32 | transgress | jim: wouldn't know how to set it up to have a static IP would ya? |
| 08:33.43 | transgress | jim: been wanting to do that and it'd fix a couple things at once |
| 08:33.45 | Aronofsky | Guerin, have an idea why the command rename 's/^/foo/' * doesn't work ? |
| 08:34.06 | jim | btw, primary and secondary imply a domain and authority... you have anything like that? did you buy a domain? |
| 08:34.09 | Guerin | Aronofsky: not without an error message or some indication of what doesn't work about it. |
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| 08:34.33 | Azar | they are usually given by the ISP |
| 08:34.41 | jim | transgress: in /etc/network/interfaces, you edit that file |
| 08:34.47 | Aronofsky | Guerin, actually there ar no error message but the are just not renamed |
| 08:35.03 | transgress | jim: hehe thanks just found a howto on it. i appreciate it |
| 08:35.12 | caphuso | Aronofsky: you're not using debian, are you? |
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| 08:35.25 | Aronofsky | caphuso, no , gentoo |
| 08:35.27 | ke6isf | Aronofsky: What does 'rename -v commands' do? |
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| 08:35.39 | caphuso | problem solved |
| 08:35.44 | ke6isf | !beer caphuso |
| 08:36.00 | jim | ke6isf: just a hunch... you're in calif? |
| 08:36.02 | glasse | caphuso: How could you tell? |
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| 08:36.10 | larX42 | phh. |
| 08:36.12 | caphuso | glasse: he said his rename requires three args |
| 08:36.12 | ke6isf | jim: Gee, howdja know? =^^= |
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| 08:36.30 | caphuso | which fits the usage description of the rename several other distros ship |
| 08:36.41 | transgress | brb gonna test the static setup |
| 08:36.47 | jim | you mean other than that 6 in your nick/ |
| 08:36.49 | jim | ? |
| 08:37.01 | ke6isf | jim: heh =^^= |
| 08:37.02 | glasse | caphuso: I never imagined such a rename could exist. Thanks. |
| 08:37.38 | ke6isf | !beer jim |
| 08:37.46 | Guerin | !kill Aronofsky |
| 08:37.50 | Azar | !tcpwrapping |
| 08:38.11 | jim | well I'm still at the stage where I'm trying to get a transistor to do stuff... |
| 08:38.14 | streuner | Guerin: hehe :-) |
| 08:38.28 | Guerin | Aronofsky: you fucking useless retarded imbecilic moron, what the FUCK made you ask your braindead gentoo question in here, and then COMPLAIN that it didn't fucking work? |
| 08:38.34 | jim | I was successful at getting it to do anything... the first one died tho :) |
| 08:38.53 | ke6isf | !beer guerin |
| 08:39.02 | streuner | Guerin: that is rather a rhetoric question... |
| 08:39.16 | ethics | has anyone played with "captive" ntfs rw via wine |
| 08:39.24 | Guerin | streuner: hopefully i get a rhetorical answer. |
| 08:39.28 | ke6isf | Guerin: Debian is Linux, Gentoo is Linux. Every Linux is the same, right? =^_^= |
| 08:39.44 | streuner | Guerin: he is +q'ed |
| 08:39.50 | TinoW | ke6isf: neither are. Linux is the kernel |
| 08:39.58 | Guerin | ke6isf: ford make cars. mercedes benz make cars. They're the same, right? |
| 08:40.06 | ke6isf | Guerin: QED. |
| 08:40.14 | ke6isf | TinoW: Some people won't be confused by the facts, though. |
| 08:40.17 | Guerin | TinoW: point. |
| 08:40.26 | Guerin | !rmsssmite ke6isf |
| 08:40.31 | Guerin | !rmssmite ke6isf |
| 08:40.38 | ke6isf | GAh! |
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| 08:41.01 | streuner | What day is today? ;-) |
| 08:41.10 | ethics | sunday |
| 08:41.10 | hehelol | 7th |
| 08:41.12 | ke6isf | Thursday, unless you're in Hawaii. |
| 08:41.18 | streuner | ethics: point |
| 08:41.18 | jim | terminology is for stopping things, right? |
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| 08:41.26 | ke6isf | Strike that. Nome. |
| 08:41.37 | ethics | !prize ethics |
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| 08:41.43 | ke6isf | jim: The study of stoppage, yes. |
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| 08:42.37 | Azar | does anyone uses chkrootkit ? |
| 08:42.49 | llnz | yes |
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| 08:43.00 | nomed | hi all ... |
| 08:43.05 | jim | I'm trying to get a 40m little tiny rig at least listening |
| 08:43.06 | ethics | what filesystem can do more than 4gig files and be read by windows...only read is fine to windows |
| 08:43.12 | Azar | llnz I am about to install it and I have no idea if to put it on a cron.daily job |
| 08:43.40 | hehelol | jim: it is a set of vocabulary/ specialised terms |
| 08:43.40 | toresbe | IT'S A PDP-10! |
| 08:43.44 | toresbe | IT'S NOT A 7! |
| 08:43.48 | sep | Azar, if you feel the need to check for rootkits on a daily basis your in trouble. |
| 08:43.56 | Guerin | toresbe: change it, then. |
| 08:43.59 | llnz | Azar: the deb package will ask you if you want it to |
| 08:43.59 | Guerin | whee |
| 08:44.04 | toresbe | Guerin: How? |
| 08:44.12 | Azar | llnz, oh yes, thank you |
| 08:44.13 | toresbe | How do you diff factoids again |
| 08:44.18 | nomed | i'm trying to generate a links2 deb using pbuilder .. i would enable ssl, in debin/rules i use with-ssl .. but then running pbuilder build it can't find them |
| 08:44.19 | Azar | sep , yes I am in trouble |
| 08:44.27 | jim | ethics: check with windows stuff to see what it could read... maybe tucows.com has something for win to read a linuxable filesystem |
| 08:44.34 | nomed | any suggestions? |
| 08:44.40 | Guerin | my dear wife just returned from the shop bearing one bottle each of leffe blonde, stella artois and pilsner urquell, being our little village's entire stock of european beer. |
| 08:44.47 | litage | i have a C-Media 8738 audio chip on my mobo. google leads me to believe it needs the snd-cmipci module, but i'm not so sure because it's not a pci sound card. any thoughts? |
| 08:44.47 | ethics | jim ext3 doesnt handle 4gb files does it? |
| 08:44.48 | sep | ethics, windows can't read anything but it's own fs's nativly you must add buggy software to read real fs's |
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| 08:45.06 | Guerin | toresbe: /msg dpkg cmd: rmssmite (.*?) =~ s/7/10/ |
| 08:45.18 | jim | no idea |
| 08:45.24 | Azar | Guerin Becks owns |
| 08:45.31 | jim | does any windows filesystem? |
| 08:45.49 | nomed | Guerin, if you can find it just try Menabrea .. |
| 08:45.52 | jm_ | litage: it's on-board right? |
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| 08:46.03 | ethics | sep hehe i need to cat some files together that break 4 gig and i need it to go to windows after alot of massaging by awk etc...im looking at captive atm but was hoping for a backup idea hehe |
| 08:46.09 | Guerin | nomed: there is absolutely no danger of that. |
| 08:46.19 | Guerin | Azar: yeah, beck's isn't bad. |
| 08:46.27 | jm_ | ethics: Windows can read ext2/ext3 just fine |
| 08:46.37 | litage | jm_: yes |
| 08:46.43 | jm_ | litage: it's PCI then |
| 08:46.46 | jim | jm_: how? |
| 08:46.52 | toresbe | Guerin: cheers, mate |
| 08:46.52 | ethics | jm_ yeah but i dont think ext3 can do the 4gb + |
| 08:47.01 | ethics | ill check to be sure |
| 08:47.02 | Guerin | toresbe: no worries, cobber. |
| 08:47.04 | jm_ | jim: ext2ifs |
| 08:47.13 | jm_ | ethics: are you joking? |
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| 08:47.26 | jm_ | ethics: http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html |
| 08:47.31 | jim | if ext3 can't, ext2 can;t either |
| 08:47.41 | jm_ | ahh wait, ext2ifs won't work for large files, sorry :( |
| 08:47.47 | RichiH | ethics: ext2/3 can both do more an TB |
| 08:47.47 | transgress | grar |
| 08:47.47 | jm_ | I jsut ran into that lately |
| 08:47.52 | transgress | it doesn't even seem to be trying |
| 08:48.10 | nomed | so no way to compile links2 with-ssl using pbuilder .. |
| 08:48.12 | transgress | is there a way to reconfigure the network or something... it isn't trying at all at boot... |
| 08:48.14 | petemc | jm_: terabyte file limits? |
| 08:48.25 | ethics | ok then ext3 is good enough for what i need....exploreext2 or something i think \ |
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| 08:48.33 | jm_ | petemc: right, it's pretty huge nowadays |
| 08:48.43 | TBBle | nomed: I don't think that's what was said. I think nothing at all was said about your problem. |
| 08:48.46 | jim | transgress: maybe you should put your /etc/network/interfaces file up on a pastebot |
| 08:48.52 | jm_ | ethics: maybe explore2fs has the same limitation as ext2ifs, because it's from the same author |
| 08:48.53 | incorrect | does anyone know of a gtk postgresql front end, and no gnome term and psql isn't what i mean |
| 08:49.00 | transgress | jim: i can, but it's cool... ifup eth0 works grand |
| 08:49.06 | litage | jm_: okay, so snd-cmipci is the correct module? |
| 08:49.10 | transgress | jim: problem is... it doesn't seem to be running at boot as it should |
| 08:49.12 | jm_ | litage: yup |
| 08:49.24 | Morti | ssh-keygen -t rsa -f /root/.ssh/id_rsa and copying the .ssh/ directory to every PC on my network should allow them all to SSH into each other without passwords, shouldn't it? |
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| 08:49.27 | ethics | jm_, RichiH : hmm ok then im incorrect on the limit, glad to know that 8) |
| 08:49.38 | litage | jm_: where can i get that module? `locate cmipci` returns nothing |
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| 08:49.49 | jim | transgress: so post the file |
| 08:49.54 | nomed | TBBle, so .. for me .. no way .. |
| 08:50.05 | jm_ | litage: it's part of Debian's kernel-image-s |
| 08:50.09 | transgress | jim: http://pastebin.ca/17123 |
| 08:50.11 | ethics | jm_,Richie: it must have been a performance thing between xfs and ext3 i misunderstood |
| 08:50.16 | TBBle | nomed: Well, you actually haven't described the problem. Your use of pronouns means I have no idea what went wrong. |
| 08:50.23 | Morti | Or do I need to manually jibble known_hosts as well? |
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| 08:50.39 | jim | umm |
| 08:50.43 | jim | found ot |
| 08:51.14 | litage | jm_: so i should grab kernel-image-`uname -r`? |
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| 08:51.14 | jim | see that # before auto eth0? |
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| 08:51.40 | jm_ | litage: no, first check what is installed |
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| 08:52.28 | litage | jm_: http://rafb.net/paste/results/2jQbI124.html |
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| 08:52.56 | transgress | jim: ah okay |
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| 08:53.14 | nomed | TBBle, apt-get source links2 , in link-xyz/debian/rules --with-ssl , pbuilder build *.dsc , configure: error: OpenSSL not found |
| 08:53.14 | transgress | wonder how that happened... that's so odd |
| 08:53.42 | nomed | mainly it doesn't add libssl-dev ... and i don't know how to do that .. using pbuilder |
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| 08:54.00 | Azar | transgress, I have no idea how Sarge goes but when I installed Woody it showed me an option at the end of install: /usr/sbin/base-config |
| 08:54.02 | jm_ | litage: 2.4.27 has cmpci module |
| 08:54.18 | fooz | loading up an ipod is fun |
| 08:54.20 | jim | yeah, but if a package upgrade was gonna do that to you, it should warn you... |
| 08:54.29 | transgress | Azar: what about it? |
| 08:54.30 | qwertz_ | Hi! Is there a recommendable backup solution for windows pc/notebooks to a linux server, so that win users can backup their partition on the linux server (compressed would be quite important)? |
| 08:54.39 | caphuso | nomed: adding it to the build-depends line in debian/control doesn't do it? |
| 08:54.42 | litage | jm_: yeah, i just noticed that dmesg says: cmpci: dma timed out?? |
| 08:54.57 | jm_ | qwertz_: have you checked backuppc? |
| 08:55.16 | sep | qwertz_, unison is nice, (any windows backup solution) over rsync or samba can function ok. |
| 08:55.29 | jm_ | litage: does lspci list it? |
| 08:56.10 | litage | jm_: lspci lists: 0000:02:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 08:56.31 | jm_ | litage: the same as mine then |
| 08:56.45 | nomed | caphuso, i try it now .. but all the other pkges are not in build-depends line, i dont' know how it can find them |
| 08:57.00 | caphuso | nomed: what other packages? |
| 08:57.29 | Azar | which one is telling me the truth? nmap or netstat? nmap shows all ports closed, nmap shows me that something is listening on port 200001 |
| 08:57.48 | jm_ | nothing can listen on port 200001 |
| 08:57.48 | nksen | !country ba |
| 08:57.49 | dpkg | Country codes are at http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/websoft/wwwstat/country-codes.txt |
| 08:57.56 | jm_ | BA is Bosnia |
| 08:58.02 | Azar | sorry 20001 |
| 08:58.09 | nomed | the ones that pbuilder includes ( Building dependency tree... Done ) debconf debconf-i18n ... |
| 08:58.28 | fooz | qwertz_, look up partimage and systemimager |
| 08:58.32 | fooz | qwertz_, and bacula |
| 08:58.36 | Azar | jm_ 20001 points at /dev/printer and I do not have any printer or configuration for printers |
| 08:58.47 | jm_ | Azar: how does the line look like? |
| 08:58.49 | fooz | qwertz_, all can supposedly create/restore system images over network |
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| 08:59.09 | nomed | caphuso, is it possible that it finds them running in that chroot env using apt-get build-dep ? |
| 08:59.13 | qwertz_ | fooz, jm_ , sep thanks will take a look at all your suggestions |
| 08:59.19 | caphuso | nomed: dunno |
| 08:59.26 | litage | jm_: if my kernel-image uses/contains cmipci, why would `locate cmipci` return nothing? |
| 08:59.33 | Azar | jm_ : unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 20001 /dev/printer |
| 08:59.45 | jm_ | Azar: it's named *cmpci* |
| 08:59.49 | jm_ | Azar: sorry |
| 08:59.51 | nomed | umm i think that's the reason .. |
| 08:59.56 | jm_ | litage: it's named *cmpci* |
| 09:00.03 | jm_ | Azar: that's not TCP port |
| 09:00.11 | Azar | jm_ yes is UDP |
| 09:00.20 | litage | ah =P |
| 09:00.22 | Azar | I did nmap for udp and it does not show it |
| 09:00.29 | Guerin | litage: the alsa module is snd-cmipci |
| 09:00.30 | jm_ | Azar: no it's not |
| 09:00.36 | Guerin | which you clearly don't have |
| 09:00.45 | jm_ | litage: ALSA is snd-cmIpci, OSS is cmpci |
| 09:00.49 | Azar | jm_ oh I see I thought stream refers to UDP |
| 09:01.01 | jm_ | Azar: no, unix tells you the socket type |
| 09:01.07 | litage | Guerin: correct. `locate snd-cmipci` returns nothing |
| 09:01.25 | fooz | no, UDP is datagram (User Datagram Protocol) |
| 09:01.30 | Azar | jm_ oh I only see the DGRAM tipe and STREAM type |
| 09:02.23 | Azar | so I take is not a "connection" just some printer related stuff |
| 09:02.38 | jm_ | Azar: well to be exact, it's proto, type is stream/dgram |
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| 09:02.52 | fooz | it's a unix stream. it's not tcp or udp. it's unix domain socket |
| 09:02.53 | fatal__ | everything on a network is not just tcp or udp... :P |
| 09:02.54 | jm_ | Azar: and your line is for PF_UNIX socket, which is local |
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| 09:03.27 | Azar | thanks jm_ I feel so relieved, thanks |
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| 09:03.44 | litage | jm_: alsa is snd-cmipci (i can't differentiate what you typed between the "cm" and "pci") |
| 09:03.58 | jm_ | litage: that's what I said |
| 09:04.11 | litage | thanks |
| 09:04.33 | KimHansen | Where can I find Debian packages of samba 3.0.20pre1 ? |
| 09:04.46 | jm_ | sdn |
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| 09:05.23 | litage | jm_: where can i find snd-cmipci? |
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| 09:05.27 | cartman|work | what can I use for dns replication on my local server? |
| 09:05.33 | Guerin | litage: in a debian 2.6 kernel |
| 09:05.40 | jm_ | litage: /msg dpkg search - 2.6 kernels include ALSA |
| 09:05.46 | Guerin | cartman|work: local caching named? |
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| 09:07.06 | cartman|work | trying to sync between to bind servers |
| 09:07.11 | cartman|work | one on linux and one on windows |
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| 09:08.09 | nomed | yes pbuilder runs apt-get build-dep in chroot env ... it would be nice if it used the debian/control file in source dir |
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| 09:08.23 | Guerin | cartman|work: #dns |
| 09:08.31 | litage | jm_: dpkg isn't responding to me |
| 09:08.41 | jm_ | litage: what did you type? |
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| 09:09.18 | litage | jm_: several things, including: /msg dpkg search 2.6 kernels and /msg dpkg search - 2.6 kernels |
| 09:09.31 | jm_ | litage: no, "/msg dpkg search" and read it |
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| 09:10.21 | litage | ah |
| 09:11.00 | litage | thanks jm_ |
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| 09:11.35 | kombi | how do you activate a new gateway without rebooting? |
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| 09:11.59 | incorrect | is it possible to set up sshd to only allow root from certain hosts? |
| 09:12.07 | jm_ | kombi: restart networking |
| 09:12.19 | kombi | rm_: thanks! |
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| 09:12.38 | litage | jm_: i've got oss working with cmpci now. how can i get the mic working? |
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| 09:12.56 | jm_ | litage: use something like sound-recorder |
| 09:13.05 | AbyyGer | lo is it possible to call a script as root everytime a usb device was pluged in? |
| 09:13.27 | jm_ | AbyyGer: yes, I rely hotplug for it |
| 09:13.28 | jm_ | rely on* |
| 09:14.09 | AbyyGer | jm_, i have a wlan_start.sh and its working |
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| 09:14.36 | AbyyGer | jm_, how i execute it everytime a usb device is pluged in |
| 09:14.54 | AbyyGer | is there a conf? |
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| 09:15.15 | sour | anyone seen this problem? [E] Dynamic mmap ran out of room |
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| 09:15.18 | jm_ | AbyyGer: like I said, install hotplug, make sure your kernel supports it, then figure it out (it should call script named after a module servicing the device - usb-storage in my case) |
| 09:15.22 | jm_ | sour: yes, many people have |
| 09:15.33 | sour | ah, any article about it? |
| 09:15.36 | obsmav | which is better ? x.org or xf86config, and if x.org is there a deb for it ? |
| 09:15.36 | nomed | well ... this is the way ... just if someone wants to know the solution |
| 09:15.38 | Guerin | sour: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 09:15.47 | obsmav | .clear |
| 09:15.52 | obsmav | cls |
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| 09:16.31 | litage | is 2.6 in the stable release? |
| 09:16.33 | itom | I've googled for searching a solution for make in my gdm login fluxbox as default, I can't use X now and I want to make the changes via console, any ideas? |
| 09:16.36 | Guerin | litage: yes |
| 09:16.38 | nomed | add the pkges in control file and then just run pdebuild within the dir when the new tar is reafy cd ../ and pbuilder build *.dsc |
| 09:16.45 | Nameless1 | can someone tell me what kind of advantages\disadvantages debian would have over ubuntu, as ubuntu is the best distro i have tried so far and i have not tried debian yet |
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| 09:16.59 | Guerin | Nameless1: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 09:17.18 | litage | Guerin: oh...so when i installed 3.1 r0a, why did it default to 2.4? |
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| 09:17.32 | siimo | hi anyone here know how to use totem? it plays sound but all my videos the screen is blank |
| 09:17.36 | AbyyGer | where have to be the script located? |
| 09:17.38 | Nameless1 | dpjg?? and i am just crious about checking it out, its like the only one i havent tried and its 8gb!! |
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| 09:18.04 | Guerin | !why debian |
| 09:18.05 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 09:18.09 | Guerin | Nameless1: ^^^^^^ read |
| 09:18.23 | transgress | anyone know how to get fluxbox to run as the wm for gnome instead of metacity? i've tried googling to no avail |
| 09:18.31 | Guerin | siimo: get w32coodecs from marillat |
| 09:18.34 | Guerin | s/oo/o/ |
| 09:18.52 | siimo | Guerin, i do have em! the screen is blue all the time for some reason |
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| 09:19.16 | litage | Guerin: that was an answer? |
| 09:19.19 | Guerin | siimo: use totem-xine, xine or mplayer. |
| 09:19.36 | Guerin | litage: default is 2.4 - 2.6 is an option. |
| 09:19.41 | litage | ah i see |
| 09:19.42 | litage | thanks |
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| 09:20.16 | Guerin | AbyyGer: read the documentation. Somewhere in /etc/hotplug/ , i believe |
| 09:20.40 | siimo | Guerin, weird i restarted totem and its working now |
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| 09:20.41 | siimo | thanks |
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| 09:21.14 | _AleX_ | hi all. I'm making a new 2.6.11 kernel for a server. It's better or not to enable preemptible kernel ? what is the best for reliability ? |
| 09:21.25 | d03boy | ive got this problem... firefox wont open after *trying* to make java work with firefox. I think all I did was make a symlink to the plugins directory of firefox |
| 09:21.33 | Guerin | _AleX_: if you don't know, research it yourself. |
| 09:21.36 | litage | thanks for your help jm_ and Guerin, i really appreciate it |
| 09:21.43 | hehelol | _AleX_: I had no problem |
| 09:21.48 | Guerin | _AleX_: come to that, if you don't know, why are you building kernels? |
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| 09:21.58 | Guerin | hehelol: that's not a meaningful answer. |
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| 09:22.40 | hehelol | Guerin: Well it hasnt reduced the stability of any of my systems :) |
| 09:22.43 | Guerin | d03boy: delete the symlink and /msg dpkg java-package |
| 09:22.49 | _AleX_ | i'm switching to 2.6.11 because yesterday i've many badly oom-killer (known bug apparently of 2.6.10) |
| 09:22.57 | Guerin | hehelol: the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data' |
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| 09:23.07 | d03boy | ok, I guess I could've thought of that one :( |
| 09:23.10 | Guerin | _AleX_: use a debian 2.6.11 kernel |
| 09:23.29 | fatal__ | _AleX_: Debian (2.6) kernels has PREEMPT enabled AFAIK..... OTOH, for a server I'd personally disable it. |
| 09:23.35 | _AleX_ | Guerin: i need a custom kernel .. but i'm using kernel-source-2.6.11 from debian |
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| 09:23.46 | Guerin | _AleX_: why do you need a custom kernel? |
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| 09:24.20 | Guerin | _AleX_: and don't tell me any of this 'because all admins should compile their own kernels' horseshite |
| 09:24.31 | fatal__ | Guerin: Do you have a better suggestion on how to completely fuck up your system? ;) |
| 09:24.48 | _AleX_ | Guerin: because i'm enabling some modules in the kernel like nfs server |
| 09:25.02 | fatal__ | use modprobe |
| 09:25.08 | Eulex | _AleX_, you seen http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=310244 ? |
| 09:25.22 | Guerin | _AleX_: modules that aare enabled in the debian stock kernels, you mean? |
| 09:25.35 | Guerin | fatal__: i can think of a few ways... |
| 09:25.43 | Guerin | not many, though |
| 09:25.50 | fatal__ | :) |
| 09:26.35 | litage | when upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6, should i just go for the newest available [stable] version? |
| 09:26.43 | Guerin | litage: yes. |
| 09:26.50 | Guerin | litage: use debian kernel images. |
| 09:26.54 | _AleX_ | Eulex: thanks for the link ... so preemtible kernels are not so perfect for reliability ... |
| 09:27.01 | fatal__ | _AleX_: nfs server is available as a loadable module in Debian kernels. No need to compile. |
| 09:27.14 | CosmoDad | is there a way to (de-)activate the OOM killer somehow? |
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| 09:27.34 | litage | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 it is! |
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| 09:27.59 | Eulex | _AleX_, that has nothing to do with that, it's a bug in the kernel source |
| 09:28.15 | jake | Hi all |
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| 09:28.20 | fatal__ | CosmoDad: insert more ram. |
| 09:28.21 | DavidLeeRoth | hola! |
| 09:28.24 | DavidLeeRoth | whats up |
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| 09:28.48 | Eulex | _AleX_, they asked him is he had preemptible enabled, though he hasn't answered |
| 09:28.51 | Eulex | *if |
| 09:28.56 | _AleX_ | Guerin Eulex fatal__ : preemptible kernel is enabled in kernel-image-2.6.11 ? |
| 09:28.58 | CosmoDad | fatal__: negative |
| 09:29.28 | Guerin | _AleX_: no. |
| 09:29.33 | CosmoDad | fatal__: software solution is required |
| 09:29.57 | Guerin | CosmoDad: use a non-vulnerable kernel? |
| 09:30.00 | fatal__ | CosmoDad: reduce amount of running memory-consuming applications (by not starting them all at the same time). |
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| 09:30.41 | Eulex | CosmoDad, get a few gigs of swap (well, your system will run like a snail, but at least you get rid of the oom killing) |
| 09:30.46 | _AleX_ | humm i'll try the kernel-image;-) but i need to recompile a 2.6.11 kernel for another special computer (diskless) so i should test kernel-source ... (you can enable nfs-root with a module) |
| 09:31.11 | _AleX_ | s/can/can't/ |
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| 09:31.55 | sep | _AleX_, look at the lessdisk packages, their made for this purpose |
| 09:31.56 | Guerin | _AleX_: i believe you can, if you use an initrd |
| 09:32.05 | llama32 | hey if u havent already, look at the news... possible bombing in london and the underground is shut down... "power surges", casualties |
| 09:32.06 | CosmoDad | Guerin: non-vulnerable kernel? what would that be? I'm using 2.6.8 from testing |
| 09:32.17 | Guerin | CosmoDad: use 2.6.11 from testing. |
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| 09:32.37 | Guerin | llama32: it's not a possible bombing, it's fucking power surges. |
| 09:32.37 | tsauter | hi all |
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| 09:32.42 | Eulex | llama32, ot |
| 09:32.45 | _AleX_ | Guerin: i think you can't use an initrd with a diskless kernel |
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| 09:32.57 | CosmoDad | fatal__, Eulex: if I work with Gimp and have no other app running, the oom killer sometimes kills of pictures I've modified once I'm trying to save them |
| 09:33.01 | Guerin | _AleX_: dunno. |
| 09:33.02 | d03boy | is there a jdk 5.0 that works with linux? |
| 09:33.03 | tsauter | is it possible to search for a package with the python-apt cache? |
| 09:33.05 | CosmoDad | Guerin: are you sure that will help? |
| 09:33.18 | Guerin | CosmoDad: _AleX_ seems to think it will. |
| 09:33.22 | jm_ | d03boy: Sun has it |
| 09:33.26 | Azar | thanks a lot for the help, good night honorables |
| 09:33.35 | Guerin | d03boy: ask sun |
| 09:33.35 | d03boy | ok |
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| 09:33.41 | Guerin | d03boy: or #java |
| 09:33.43 | Eulex | CosmoDad, software solution: get a lot of swap, hardware solution: get more ram |
| 09:33.44 | Azar | ..I finally managed to setup iptables, incredible |
| 09:34.27 | _AleX_ | Guerin: how ? the kernel is load with PXE, and need to mount nfs root ... i think you can't load an initrd with tftp or dhcpd .. i'm wrong ? |
| 09:34.35 | CosmoDad | Eulex: I've 256 MB RAM and 128 MB swap, you think that shouldn't suffice? |
| 09:34.40 | TBBle | nomed: Did you get your pbuilder problem solved? |
| 09:34.45 | jake | I have some log message appearing when I run dmesg, but I want them to appear in a file, maybe /var/log/messages. They are from my iptables, I m sure I have /etc/syslog.conf set up correctly.... Any ideas? |
| 09:34.55 | nomed | TBBle, yes |
| 09:35.06 | TBBle | Good |
| 09:35.09 | jm_ | jake: iptables supports ULOG target, or use syslog-ng |
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| 09:35.45 | llama32 | Guerin: i saw like 5 seconds of what it was saying before i typed that |
| 09:35.47 | Eulex | CosmoDad, not if you're doing a lot of editing on big images -- and that it actually *is* killing stuff for you, means that you need to get more ram or swap |
| 09:35.50 | sep | _AleX_, you should be able to do initrd over pxe boot. |
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| 09:36.03 | jake | jm_, OK, why not syslogd then? |
| 09:36.09 | d03boy | this java-package thing just isnt making sense for me... I read the man file for make-jpkg |
| 09:36.11 | Eulex | CosmoDad, 2x more swap than ram is what I usually have |
| 09:36.23 | liable | jake: look in kern.log |
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| 09:36.41 | Shorty` | is there a way to allow all ports *above* 1024 through a firewall? |
| 09:36.53 | Guerin | Shorty`: sure. |
| 09:37.00 | jm_ | jake: syslogd can do it if you change log level warning with iptables, but then all entries for that level will goo to your file |
| 09:37.00 | CosmoDad | Eulex: I'd hate to resize my swap area since it's in the middle of several partitions |
| 09:37.01 | Shorty` | Guerin, mind telling me? |
| 09:37.03 | fatal__ | Shorty`: use range "1024:" |
| 09:37.08 | _AleX_ | sep: so i need to read/re-read some docs and test initrd over pxe ;-) thanks for lessdisks, i don't know before and i'll try it |
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| 09:37.17 | Guerin | Shorty`: usse firehol or shorewall |
| 09:37.31 | Shorty` | so iptables -A FORWARD -s rah -d rah -p tcp --dport 1024: |
| 09:37.45 | jake | liable, They are definitly not in there. |
| 09:37.50 | fatal__ | Shorty`: yes. :) |
| 09:37.52 | litage | in the input tab in kmix, what are the red dots on the right for? |
| 09:37.57 | Shorty` | oo. fantastic. |
| 09:38.07 | Guerin | litage: #kde |
| 09:38.18 | KimHansen | jake: if you want to keep the iptable log messages out of dmesg, you should use -j ULOG and ulogd |
| 09:38.29 | fatal__ | Shorty`: ranges is "x:y", but if you want to go all the way up or down leavy x or y out completely. :) |
| 09:38.29 | Eulex | CosmoDad, you can also try a lighter desktop environment |
| 09:38.38 | jm_ | maybe he'll believe it now that someone else said the same thing |
| 09:38.45 | Guerin | jm_: heh |
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| 09:38.58 | CosmoDad | Eulex: I'm using fluxbox |
| 09:39.02 | pete | anyone tried these fanless PSU, they any good for a basic server? |
| 09:39.15 | litage | which device is the mic? |
| 09:39.16 | Eulex | CosmoDad, can't become much lighter :) |
| 09:39.18 | Nurbs | what is /initrd good for on debian? shouldn't the initrd image be mounted there after the system has booted, as described in initrd(4)? |
| 09:39.26 | fatal__ | pete: if you have good cooling in your serverroom, maybe. |
| 09:39.26 | jake | jm_, That would probably be alright. I hve the log level set at info |
| 09:39.30 | CosmoDad | Eulex: gimp killing happened under KDE, though, but I've also experienced thunderbird killing under fluxbox serveral times |
| 09:39.33 | CosmoDad | Eulex: yeah :) |
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| 09:40.14 | analogx | hello |
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| 09:40.36 | pete | fatal__: yeah, thats a point, hmm, |
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| 09:40.45 | Eulex | CosmoDad, you can try using lighter apps -- thunderbird is *not* light at all |
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| 09:41.14 | Guerin | !flw4 |
| 09:41.14 | dpkg | i heard flw4 is <Phated> compubomb: If you're told something three times, it's true. |
| 09:41.20 | Guerin | jm_: ^^^ |
| 09:41.21 | TBBle | Nurbs: I'm speculating that the manpage is out of date, given as how it's dated 1997. I think pivot_root causes the initrd to just be thrown out, so it stops taking up space in ram. |
| 09:41.25 | jm_ | Guerin: indeed |
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| 09:42.15 | TBBle | Nurbs: It's a handy place to loop mount your initrd image though, if you want to look inside. mkinitrd might use it, but I wouldn't think so. |
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| 09:42.35 | Eulex | g2g |
| 09:42.38 | CosmoDad | Eulex: I realized that, but there's no app superior to thunderbird (don't discuss *that* point ;) ) |
| 09:42.51 | CosmoDad | Eulex: I'll repartition |
| 09:42.58 | Guerin | CosmoDad: hahaha |
| 09:43.03 | Guerin | CosmoDad: that's a good one |
| 09:43.05 | jm_ | you can also add swapfile(s) |
| 09:43.05 | CosmoDad | Eulex: is it possible to use two swap areas at different partitions? |
| 09:43.14 | Guerin | CosmoDad: you can use a swapfile |
| 09:43.24 | CosmoDad | instead of an partition? |
| 09:43.24 | caphuso | CosmoDad: sure |
| 09:43.26 | jm_ | CosmoDad: of course it's possible |
| 09:43.26 | Guerin | jm_: only one more person needed, now |
| 09:43.32 | Guerin | oh, there's #3 |
| 09:43.32 | Nurbs | TBBle: mkinitrd works fine without, but I guess you're right. I just saw it on a fresh sarge install and wondered why it was created and couldn't figure out what still uses it. |
| 09:43.35 | jm_ | Guerin: there, we win |
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| 09:43.40 | nomed | Nurbs, freeramdisk makes it |
| 09:43.46 | Nurbs | freeramdisk? |
| 09:43.56 | CosmoDad | so I'll just create another partition as swap and tell fstab so? will that be all= |
| 09:43.57 | CosmoDad | ? |
| 09:44.03 | TBBle | Nurbs: I noticed it there to. I've no idea what the actual rationale of those who have a say in it is though. |
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| 09:45.14 | pete | So I am guessing passive cooling an opteron is out of the question? |
| 09:45.38 | jm_ | try #amd64 or #debian-amd64, but no-one sane will use passive cooling for a server |
| 09:45.40 | CosmoDad | so I'll just create another partition as swap and tell fstab so? will that be all |
| 09:45.57 | Nurbs | nomeata: ah, from loadlin... hmm |
| 09:46.04 | Nurbs | nomed even |
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| 09:46.29 | nomed | Nurbs, if you want to understan better initrd run mkinitrd -k ... |
| 09:46.30 | ganymed | hallo. |
| 09:46.36 | AciD|wrk | oi |
| 09:46.41 | CosmoDad | could anyone answer that final question? |
| 09:46.41 | jm_ | and read initrd.txt |
| 09:46.49 | nomed | cd <root> && pivot_root . initrd |
| 09:47.09 | ganymed | can anybody tell what happens to testing now that sarge is released? does it go on like normally? |
| 09:47.09 | Nurbs | nomed: oh, I did quite some debugging of the boot process so far... but couldn't find any more use for /initrd in it anymore :) |
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| 09:47.46 | Nurbs | more understanding of initrd won't be interesting in the close future, to me at last :) |
| 09:47.49 | TBBle | ganymed: Yes. Assuming you're got the right meaning of normally... |
| 09:48.25 | Guerin | hrrm, seems the explosions in London are bombs after all |
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| 09:50.01 | ganymed | actually, i am asking because i have sarge installed, starting with an unstable release and now updated with testing releases. I am thinking about switching back to unstable for more up-to-date software. is this possible without any problems? |
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| 09:50.13 | caphuso | ganymed: no |
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| 09:52.35 | TBBle | ganymed: I'm confused. Are you on sarge, unstable, unstable downgraded to testing, a pre-sarge version of testing or something else? |
| 09:54.45 | takatumi | he started with sarge starting with unstable and now updated to testing. time to start over I guess. |
| 09:54.49 | qwertz_ | Did a "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE" to enable masquerading, but seems to make some problems and so I want to disable it. Is "iptables -F" enough ( cause POSTROUTING isn't shown with "iptables -L")? |
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| 09:55.46 | jm_ | qwertz_: did you see how your rule was applied to table nat with the former command? |
| 09:56.03 | pete | Is it worth running the basttile program |
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| 09:56.30 | fatal__ | qwertz_: the default table is "filter". If you want to flush the chains in the "nat" table you need to specify "-t nat". |
| 09:56.48 | fatal__ | qwertz_: same goes for listing the tables. |
| 09:57.22 | qwertz_ | fatal__, thanks see it |
| 09:57.28 | ganymed | i have ti installed versions on two pcs |
| 09:57.53 | fatal__ | qwertz_: you probably want to add a match on a specific interface to masquerade traffic on.... |
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| 09:58.03 | fatal__ | qwertz_: -o wan |
| 09:58.43 | ganymed | one is an unstable version, last year called "sarge". this had been before sarge entered the freezing. then i updated with unstable packages, later with testing i think (i am a bit confused myself. that's the prob) |
| 09:59.37 | takatumi | ganymed: /msg dpkg releases |
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| 10:00.24 | jonte | Hmm. I have two NICs, one to my LAN and one to my DSL modem. Can I connect the traffic from my LAN to my DSL modem somehow? |
| 10:00.40 | Rydekull | http://hdaps.sf.net :) |
| 10:01.19 | litage | in alsamixer, when i unmute "mic as center/LFE" i can hear what the mic picks up, but krec doesn't record anything. also, "mic" and "mic capture" can't be set to record. how can i get the mic working? |
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| 10:03.19 | _AleX_ | Guerin: fatal__ : i'm using software raid and lvm too. kernel-image-2.6.11 and md / lvm in modules will work ? i need to do somethink before ? |
| 10:03.41 | sour | london go kaboom |
| 10:03.54 | liable | jonte: yes, install ipmasq, or shorewall can do it, or firehol.... |
| 10:04.18 | hehelol | mm I just heard :/ |
| 10:04.23 | hehelol | Aldgate station |
| 10:04.34 | dondelelcaro | yes... |
| 10:04.35 | jonte | liable: which one do you recommend? |
| 10:04.40 | d03boy | ya... 5 buses so far? |
| 10:04.41 | ganymed | i think /msg doesnt work in gaim |
| 10:04.43 | hehelol | next to liverpool street and bank |
| 10:05.08 | takatumi | !tell ganymed -about releases |
| 10:05.14 | fatal__ | _AleX_: if you have raid/lvm on your root partition you need to load the modules and set it up from the initrd. |
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| 10:05.27 | liable | jonte: I use shorewall, ask google. |
| 10:05.33 | jonte | Thanks. |
| 10:05.49 | _AleX_ | fatal__: so i should create a lvm initrd and everythink should be ok ... ok thanks fatal__ |
| 10:05.51 | ganymed | takatumi: what do u mean? |
| 10:05.52 | lac | anybody here know about wireless drivers for the IBM x40? |
| 10:06.26 | lac | IBM Thinkpad x40 |
| 10:06.36 | liable | lac: which card? |
| 10:06.39 | d03boy | find the wireless chipset |
| 10:06.49 | takatumi | ganymed: the bot (dpkg) should have messaged you by now, if not use a better client, decide on a release, stick with it. |
| 10:06.55 | liable | lac: visit linux-thinkpad |
| 10:06.56 | fatal__ | _AleX_: I assume the default initrd can handle that since the Sarge installer supports installing with root on RAID/LVM.... so you should be good to go already. |
| 10:06.57 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 10:06.58 | dpkg | Since Sun Jul 3 09:41:23 2005, there have been 53 modifications, 2299 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 729 commands. I have been awake for 4d 25m 34s this session, and currently reference 25783 factoids. I'm using about 15648 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 856.46/44.09 child 670.67/42.81 |
| 10:07.03 | lac | hmmm. 'the one it came with' how do I find out? |
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| 10:07.59 | ganymed | takatumi: so actually unstable and testing will now be used for "etch", correct? |
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| 10:08.11 | liable | lac: lspci, then google... |
| 10:08.13 | nomed | do you know an icon theme that include an iconrc file .. ? |
| 10:08.34 | takatumi | ganymed: no |
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| 10:09.04 | tarzeau | !ntp |
| 10:09.04 | dpkg | hmm... ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 10:09.10 | pete | some fucker has blown up london |
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| 10:09.21 | _blue | yes he has |
| 10:09.28 | RichiH | pete: ##london |
| 10:09.45 | lac | !lspi |
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| 10:10.12 | lac | !lspci |
| 10:10.12 | dpkg | methinks lspci is a PCI utility to list all PCI devices. It requires kernel 2.1.82 or better. In the pciutils package, or see pciids |
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| 10:10.43 | xav | hi |
| 10:11.04 | xR | is there a quick and easy way to fix broken packages/dependencies |
| 10:11.06 | xR | ? |
| 10:11.07 | xR | :> |
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| 10:11.16 | dondelelcaro | xR: yes, you fix the problem. |
| 10:11.18 | iostream | xR: apt-get -f install |
| 10:11.42 | ganymed | so for what are they used now. sarge is stable... |
| 10:12.35 | dos000 | how would one replace a string stored in a var with another inside a bash script ? |
| 10:12.40 | TBBle | ganymed: etch is testing. Unstable is sid which is unstable. stable, testing and unstable are doing exactly what they always do. |
| 10:12.57 | _blue | i'm sure this has been asked to death, but is there a defnitive guide, on how to install xorg on sarge? |
| 10:13.01 | xav | does anyone have any idea why I'm unable to launch gnome and kde ? |
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| 10:13.13 | rixt1 | Where do mplayer codecs go? |
| 10:13.19 | rixt1 | I need to watch that stream from the BBX |
| 10:13.39 | xav | it just sits at splash screen for both, and it doesnt do anything. so I've to kill the X session, and go back in gdm |
| 10:13.40 | _blue | rixt1: you gotta link? |
| 10:13.42 | sep | _blue, yes it's wait until it' officialy packaged, then aptitude install it. |
| 10:13.43 | dondelelcaro | rixt1: apt-get install w32codecs |
| 10:13.46 | fatal__ | _blue: backports.org should have a backport of the preliminary x.org packages. |
| 10:13.50 | RichiH | rixt1: just install win32codecs and mplayer mms://wmlive.bbc.net.uk/wms/news/now3_bb_s1 |
| 10:13.53 | rixt1 | dondelelcaro: no, where do they GO |
| 10:14.00 | transgress | okay does anyone know a way to use xbindkeys to raise and lower my volume? i have found using amixer set Master 1+ and 1- would work... if i had amixer |
| 10:14.03 | rixt1 | I have the codes already |
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| 10:14.06 | dondelelcaro | rixt1: /usr/lib/win32 |
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| 10:14.11 | lac | liable: I apparantly have the most uptoday version of pciutils , but I cannot find them. Do you have a pathname? |
| 10:14.17 | RichiH | rixt1: then you can just point mplayer to it |
| 10:14.19 | transgress | but seeing as i am using alsa from my kernel... i don't have amixer |
| 10:14.20 | dondelelcaro | or dpkg -L win32codecs |
| 10:14.23 | _blue | sep: well, that's the point, i'd like to test it out while its unnoficial |
| 10:14.24 | transgress | any tips? |
| 10:14.54 | xav | how could I debug this problem ? I've no idea what I could try |
| 10:14.56 | _blue | i bet bbc is getting swamped |
| 10:14.57 | liable | lac: type 'lspci' in a terminal. |
| 10:15.13 | transgress | installing alsa-base would be installing the non-kernel alsa wouldn't it? |
| 10:15.13 | TBBle | transgress: alsactl or soemthing, I think... Alsa has _some kind_ of cmd-line volume control... |
| 10:15.20 | sep | _blue, and the cellphone net in london i bet, since i cant reach anyone there anymore |
| 10:15.21 | transgress | TBBle: thanks |
| 10:15.29 | TBBle | transgress: No, alsa-base is the userland side of alsa. You want it to use alsa. |
| 10:15.33 | lac | laible the command isn't found. but apt-get install pciutils says already most up to date |
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| 10:15.58 | TBBle | transgress: Installing alsa-source and building the modules would give you the more-recent-than-the-kernel alsa drivers, which I think is what you meant. |
| 10:16.10 | TBBle | lac: Are you root? |
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| 10:16.18 | liable | lac: are you dyslexic? |
| 10:16.23 | transgress | TBBle: eh i prefer to keep it in my kernel... i have had no problems with my card in a long time |
| 10:16.24 | liable | TBBle: not needed. |
| 10:16.50 | lac | liable: yes I am root |
| 10:16.52 | TBBle | liable: Oh, so it isn't. My bad. |
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| 10:17.09 | TBBle | transgress: Well, just get alsa-base then. |
| 10:17.12 | liable | lac: without the ' ' |
| 10:17.15 | _blue | sep: however, is there a way to get xorg on sarge? |
| 10:17.24 | _blue | and if so is there a definitive guide on how to do it? |
| 10:17.32 | xav | no one is using gnome/kde ? |
| 10:17.42 | _blue | xav: are you using sargE? |
| 10:17.47 | xav | yes |
| 10:17.49 | TBBle | xav: No one is having the problem you describe, rather. |
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| 10:17.57 | _blue | on xfree86? |
| 10:18.00 | TBBle | _blue: You've been given the answer already. |
| 10:18.04 | xav | its funny. I don't have it on my desktop neither |
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| 10:18.15 | _blue | TBBle: which was? |
| 10:18.16 | xav | only on my laptop. with nearly the same install |
| 10:18.19 | lac | liable: I did not type the quotes. |
| 10:18.32 | TBBle | _blue: No, that'd be cheating. If you're using irssi, try /lastlog _blue. |
| 10:18.40 | liable | lac: post the command and result to #flood |
| 10:19.08 | xav | TBBle: wow thats nice, thanks :) |
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| 10:19.28 | Panzerboy | hi all |
| 10:19.50 | ganymed | sry, forgot about sid = unstable |
| 10:19.52 | liable | fucking terrorists.... why? |
| 10:20.29 | _blue | liable: no reported cuase yet... |
| 10:20.34 | xav | so... what would you suggest ? erasing my fresh install and reinstalling debian? |
| 10:21.00 | liable | lac: /usr/bin/lspci |
| 10:21.59 | lac | liable: thank you |
| 10:22.12 | ganymed | thx |
| 10:22.17 | ganymed | ciao |
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| 10:23.11 | lac | ok, what I think I need help with is a Network controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 05) |
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| 10:23.23 | liable | lac: no |
| 10:23.43 | liable | lac: look for ethernet controller |
| 10:23.50 | VoltageX | anyone in london that can tell me wtf has happened? Media here are going crazy, 2 of 5 channels are switched to UK broadcasts. |
| 10:24.02 | liable | lac: err, sorry yes |
| 10:24.12 | Eulex | transgress, aumix |
| 10:24.19 | xav | VoltageX: so you should know |
| 10:24.39 | VoltageX | yeah but they're only sayin omfg terrorism. |
| 10:24.39 | Eulex | lac, ipw2200.sourceforge,net |
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| 10:25.07 | liable | VoltageX: just keep watching.... |
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| 10:25.41 | balint | hi, my problem is described here: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2000-September/021053.html is there any workaround for it to work? |
| 10:25.54 | fatal__ | lac: ipw2200.sf.net |
| 10:25.58 | transgress | Eulex: yep thanks i just found that |
| 10:26.02 | transgress | Eulex: was getting it all set up |
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| 10:26.19 | lac | thank you Eulex |
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| 10:28.22 | Gnea | balint: that was posted 5 *years* ago |
| 10:28.47 | balint | Gnea, i know. |
| 10:28.51 | matlads | hello, how do i tell/set the default compiler on my sid system? I have gcc-2.95,gcc-3.3,gcc-3.4 all installed |
| 10:29.02 | Gnea | balint: are you trying to mount as user or root? |
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| 10:29.28 | TBBle | matlads: You don't. The gcc-defaults package does. And it should have pulled in gcc-4 this week. |
| 10:29.37 | balint | Gnea, as root it works fine |
| 10:29.45 | balint | Gnea, as any user it don't |
| 10:29.47 | fatal__ | matlads: gcc -v |
| 10:30.08 | fatal__ | matlads: if you need to compile something with a different compiler do "make CC=/usr/bin/gcc-foo" |
| 10:30.10 | balint | Gnea, from fstab users,guest,ip=...,noauto,fmask=0666,dmask=0666 |
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| 10:30.26 | liable | matlads: /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink to whatever you wish to use.. |
| 10:30.32 | Gnea | balint: hrmmm |
| 10:30.35 | gogo3or | how to do in kmail to autodownload mail |
| 10:30.36 | gogo3or | thx |
| 10:30.47 | caphuso | liable: /usr/bin/gcc is not a user changeable symlink |
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| 10:30.57 | matlads | TBBle: the gcc-defaults package organises the symbolic links to point to the official compiler? |
| 10:31.02 | Gnea | balint: try: defaults,user,noauto,ip=... |
| 10:31.37 | TBBle | matlads: gcc-defaults organises 'gcc' and 'g++' and friends to point at the current compiler recommended for use, yes. |
| 10:31.54 | balint | Gnea, it's operation not permitted |
| 10:31.54 | TBBle | balint: Can you changes from smb to cifs, and see if it as the same problem? |
| 10:32.13 | Gnea | balint: odd, works fine here... is the remote system wintendo or linux? |
| 10:32.16 | balint | TBBle, thanks, will google after it soon |
| 10:32.16 | matlads | TBBle: can |
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| 10:32.30 | matlads | TBBle: ca't seem to find the gcc-defaults package |
| 10:32.31 | Panzerboy | i have installed python 2.4 in sarge |
| 10:32.32 | balint | Gnea, win, 98 i think |
| 10:32.33 | TBBle | matlads: As fatal__ pointed out, you can override it on a case-by-case basis. |
| 10:32.38 | Panzerboy | and now i want to install xchat |
| 10:32.48 | TBBle | matlads: Hmm... It may be a source package that produces 'gcc' and friends packags. My bad. |
| 10:32.50 | Panzerboy | but it depends on python 2.3 |
| 10:33.00 | Gnea | balint: sec.. |
| 10:33.02 | xav | me I want to get kde and gnome working... its crazy |
| 10:33.12 | Panzerboy | is there any way i can install it without also installing python 2.3? |
| 10:33.16 | TBBle | Panzerboy: Does it depend on python package version 2.3, or python2.3 package? |
| 10:33.17 | matlads | TBBle: ahh thanks then |
| 10:33.21 | balint | Gnea, i'm tried +s on smbnmt, and gid=0 in fstab, no luck |
| 10:33.28 | Panzerboy | TBBle: i don't know, let me check |
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| 10:33.57 | xophEr | Hi! I installed an external eth0 driver, how can I get eth0 to be 'ifupped' automatically? |
| 10:34.04 | caphuso | xophEr: man 5 interfaces |
| 10:34.05 | Panzerboy | TBBle: The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 10:34.05 | Panzerboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.16 | xophEr | caphuso, allright thanks |
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| 10:34.54 | xophEr | auto eth0 right ? :) |
| 10:35.00 | Panzerboy | TBBle: anyway, python seems to default to python2.3 |
| 10:35.01 | TBBle | Panzerboy: Well, you can either deal with having two versions of python installed, or rebuild it yourself. Most things that use python in stable will want to pull in 2.3, so you're going to be rebuilding an awful lot, or avoiding a lot of programs that use python. |
| 10:35.14 | Panzerboy | TBBle: ok, thanks a lot |
| 10:35.20 | Panzerboy | TBBle: i will install also 2.3 |
| 10:35.37 | transgress | yay for xbindkeys |
| 10:35.50 | Gnea | balint: try it without any uid/gid flags and just what i showed you |
| 10:36.04 | balint | TBBle, how can i do cifs in debian? |
| 10:36.10 | Gnea | balint: also, try mount instead of smbmount (but smbumount instead of umount) |
| 10:36.15 | balint | Gnea, did that |
| 10:36.44 | balint | Gnea, i'm doing it with mount |
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| 10:37.02 | Gnea | balint: ok... do you have anything like komba installed? |
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| 10:37.24 | liable | caphuso: right.. my bad. |
| 10:37.24 | balint | Gnea, yes. in root it works fine |
| 10:37.56 | balint | Gnea, no kde stuff |
| 10:38.16 | balint | Gnea, i can smbclient -L it, and mount it as root. |
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| 10:39.08 | ElllisD | I recently installed overclockix, and Id like to know how to change parameters of how folding@home starts at boot (before x)- any takers? |
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| 10:39.26 | Guerin | ElllisD: #overclockix |
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| 10:39.46 | xav | is there any kind of log to see what gnome and kde are doing at start ? |
| 10:40.04 | balint | TBBle, mount error 1 = Operation not permitted ,with cifs |
| 10:40.24 | ElllisD | Guerin: ty, but i didnt see that in the room list, (im noob)- how else can i join it? |
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| 10:41.01 | Guerin | ElllisD: /j #overclockix - if you're the only one there, i suggest using a distribution with a useful support network. |
| 10:41.12 | Guerin | ElllisD: such as debian, for instance. |
| 10:41.21 | xav | no way |
| 10:41.35 | xav | no help at all on debian |
| 10:41.43 | Guerin | xav: piss off. |
| 10:41.50 | ElllisD | Guerin: ty. |
| 10:41.54 | ElllisD | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.58 | Guerin | ElllisD: yw. |
| 10:41.59 | ElllisD | ... |
| 10:42.07 | Guerin | ElllisD: no space |
| 10:42.15 | Guerin | ElllisD: or learn to use your irc client. |
| 10:42.23 | TBBle | balint: Presumably failing the same check... Shame |
| 10:42.34 | ElllisD | <--- never had to use irc till 2day- sorry |
| 10:42.36 | Gnea | !tell xav about ask |
| 10:42.37 | balint | TBBle, as root cifs mount error 112 = Host is down, but i can smbclient -I ip -L it. :( |
| 10:43.03 | Gnea | hrm |
| 10:43.13 | xav | Gnea: huh |
| 10:43.23 | TBBle | There's a distribution called overclockix? My goodness... |
| 10:43.29 | ElllisD | #overclockix |
| 10:43.30 | Gnea | balint: yeah i can login too but i'm getting a Error returning browse list: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 10:43.32 | ElllisD | shoot |
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| 10:43.42 | ElllisD | unk command after /j#overclockix |
| 10:44.04 | Gnea | xav: that's right. |
| 10:44.05 | xav | ElllisD: anyway, nobody there |
| 10:44.24 | ElllisD | xav, ic---- im there |
| 10:44.28 | xav | Gnea: so nobody knows |
| 10:44.38 | ElllisD | somebody knows somewhere |
| 10:44.45 | Guerin | xav: ask #gnome on irc.gnome .org or #kde here |
| 10:45.05 | Gnea | xav: you are assuming. i don't even know what your problem is. but you're making it sound as if someone should simply 'help' and support your attitude problem at the same time. no can do. |
| 10:45.06 | balint | Gnea, i don't (as root) since i go with guest user, and supply no password smbclient -L lists the shares |
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| 10:45.14 | Guerin | xav: you'll find that most people in #debian use neither kde nor gnome |
| 10:45.22 | xav | it seems like its a debian related issue, since both are failing, but i'll try |
| 10:45.33 | TBBle | Exactly! wmii forever! |
| 10:45.39 | Guerin | xav: what does /var/log/XFree86.0.log say? |
| 10:45.39 | jm_ | xav: ~/.xsession-errors is worth checking out |
| 10:45.44 | Gnea | balint: yeah same here as it's protected |
| 10:45.53 | Guerin | xav: does your X server even start? |
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| 10:46.04 | xav | I don't use them usually, but since they are installed, its a bit frustrating not being able to use them |
| 10:46.16 | xav | Guerin: I'm using wmaker right now, so yes X works fine |
| 10:46.24 | balint | Gnea, do you have smbmnt setuid? |
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| 10:46.31 | Guerin | xav: ok. |
| 10:47.00 | TBBle | balint: Just looking at that original website you posted, did you make sure that the user running mount owns the directory you're mounting to? |
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| 10:47.22 | Guerin | xav: so what actually happens, or doesn't? |
| 10:47.54 | Gnea | balint: no |
| 10:47.56 | xav | Guerin: the starting sequence of both kde and gnome hangs or just sit there |
| 10:48.06 | balint | TBBle, no, root owns it with 777 |
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| 10:48.16 | xav | I see the splash screen, but it doesnt do anything |
| 10:48.23 | jm_ | xav: try renaming ~/.kde or ~/.gnome |
| 10:48.27 | Gnea | balint: hrm, but smbumount is... |
| 10:48.35 | Guerin | xav: no errors? |
| 10:48.36 | d03boy | is it not recommended to install anything on debian through any means other than apt-get or dpkg? |
| 10:48.40 | TBBle | balint: Well, as I recall from when you first asked, the check is "User is root, or user owns directory being mounted to". So make the user mounting it own the directory. |
| 10:48.50 | xav | Guerin: not at screen |
| 10:48.59 | Guerin | d03boy: not recommended. |
| 10:48.59 | jm_ | d03boy: you can install it, just make sure it doesn't interfere |
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| 10:49.20 | Gnea | balint: anyway, mount /path works just fine, i just get a prompt and go from there |
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| 10:49.24 | Guerin | xav: i don't know if either of those horrible beasts make useful logs - ask the specific channels |
| 10:49.25 | d03boy | ok... i guess that's good to know... wish I would've known sooner :P |
| 10:49.28 | balint | TBBle, in a sec |
| 10:49.29 | xav | jm_: I'll try that |
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| 10:49.35 | xav | Guerin: ok thanks |
| 10:49.41 | Gnea | balint: but that's on a samba system... i gotta make a share on the wintendo box |
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| 10:50.17 | darkness | Hi can anyone help please. I recently upgraded from woody to sarge. Now apache got lost on the upgrade but i've fixed that. Now ttysnoop isn#t working correctly. I'm currently using it to view ttyp sessions. The error is can't connect to server? |
| 10:50.42 | balint | TBBle, hmm, it works if the user owns the mount destination |
| 10:50.56 | TBBle | balint: Good. There's your workaround. ^_^ |
| 10:51.16 | balint | TBBle, what if i have to make it available for all users? |
| 10:51.39 | TBBle | balint: Mount it as root, from fstab, with 'auto'. |
| 10:51.52 | TBBle | balint: Or pmount or automount. |
| 10:52.19 | balint | TBBle, i can't mount it on startup, since it's not on a permanent connection :( |
| 10:52.44 | jm_ | balint: that doesn't matter - it just won't get mounted at start, but users can mount it later |
| 10:52.51 | jm_ | if you let them that is |
| 10:52.54 | TBBle | balint: Then the latter two of the three suggestions. |
| 10:53.34 | balint | TBBle, pmount seems to worth a try |
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| 10:56.24 | balint | thanks all. you helped a lot |
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| 10:57.16 | xav | hmm, when I try to launch gnome directly with startx, I get : gnome-smproxy: unable to connect to session manager |
| 10:57.35 | xav | in the .xsession-errors file |
| 10:57.57 | Gnea | xav: what gnome- command are you using and through what file? |
| 10:58.23 | balint | TBBle, btw pmount is dropped, from the alternatives: The mount will succeed if all of the following conditions are met: device is a block device in /dev/ |
| 10:58.59 | TBBle | balint: Oh. Go with automount/autofs then... |
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| 11:00.15 | xav | Gnea: I'm just running: "startx". and since gnome is my default wm, it launch it |
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| 11:01.04 | Gnea | xav: startx reads something from a file (usually ~/.xinitrc) so that's how it calls it unless it's using a system-wide default. |
| 11:01.34 | xav | Gnea: I know, its using a system-wide default |
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| 11:01.57 | Gnea | xav: then you need to find the file that's launching it |
| 11:02.03 | xav | and then I put startkde in .xinitrc, and launched kde with : startx |
| 11:02.05 | jm_ | gnome can only be a default x-session-manager, not x-window-manager |
| 11:02.19 | Gnea | hrm |
| 11:02.24 | Gnea | yeah that's true |
| 11:02.26 | xav | I don't understand, it isnt the problem at all |
| 11:02.41 | xav | I just type startx, and it launch gnome |
| 11:03.07 | Gnea | xav: try placing this in .xinitrc: gnome-session |
| 11:03.09 | Gnea | just that |
| 11:03.11 | Gnea | nothing else |
| 11:04.22 | xav | same |
| 11:04.57 | Gnea | probably data in ~/.gnome* got corrupted, or you did an apt-get upgrade and something broke |
| 11:04.58 | xav | same result if I launch them through gdm, or directly with startx |
| 11:05.16 | xav | maybe |
| 11:05.17 | llama32 | Guerin: you still saying it was an electrical surge? |
| 11:05.32 | liable | hah |
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| 11:06.11 | Gnea | you know, they make these things called 'surge protectors', they are dirt cheap and sell them in nearly any store these days... |
| 11:06.17 | RichiH | llama32: ##london has been created for discussion of this |
| 11:06.45 | jm_ | they are not cheap for transformers used in London's tube network :P |
| 11:06.51 | Gnea | RichiH: discussion of what? |
| 11:07.04 | RichiH | Gnea: the bombings |
| 11:07.12 | RichiH | though it's more like a beehive, atm ;) |
| 11:07.13 | Gnea | oh shit |
| 11:07.30 | Guerin | llama32: i already disclaimed that, based on more reliable information than some idiot on irc. |
| 11:07.38 | llama32 | lol |
| 11:07.40 | Guerin | llama32: hours ago |
| 11:07.57 | xav | whats funny is that I did the same debian install one day later on another box, and it worked fine. then I came back on this laptop, but there were no new packages. |
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| 11:08.04 | PDani | hi |
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| 11:08.28 | PDani | there's a commandline application (i don't remember its name), which can change the properties of an X11 window by its name, or title, etc... what its name? |
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| 11:11.16 | balint | TBBle, i don't see smb stuff in amd.conf, only nfs. should i? have you used automount for smb? |
| 11:12.04 | TBBle | balint: I have, but only on my laptop which isn't on... Try /etc/automount.smb I think, there should be some examples there. |
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| 11:14.14 | crashbg | cheers for the european's software patents rejection :))))))) WEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 11:14.46 | lee | boo for the terrorists attacks on london |
| 11:15.23 | jm_ | PDani: change properties? |
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| 11:16.03 | TBBle | It's not xprop, is it? |
| 11:16.35 | jm_ | that shows things, I don't understand what he wants to change. size, iconify,... ? |
| 11:16.47 | jm_ | if so, then it's most likely xwit |
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| 11:18.05 | unome | how do you configure anacron to send mail to a particular user? |
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| 11:18.39 | darkness | Can anyone help with ttysnoop problem? |
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| 11:19.18 | sep | darkness, you have tried too purge and reinstall from scratch ofcouse ? |
| 11:19.51 | galataranator | anyone know if rsync needs udp or can i just allow 873/tcp ? |
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| 11:20.43 | darkness | Will do now sep |
| 11:20.56 | Guerin | bah,, something's eating cpu and i can't figure out what |
| 11:21.04 | balint | TBBle, shouldn't it be autofs in place of automount, you suggested? |
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| 11:21.10 | kbrooks | Hi. |
| 11:21.21 | galataranator | Guerin: lsof, netstat -an, top ? |
| 11:21.54 | darkness | Whats the cmd to purge programs? |
| 11:22.07 | jm_ | /msg dpkg purge |
| 11:22.10 | TBBle | balint: Uhhh. Maybe. I set it up a year ago, and haven't needed to play with the config since. It uses a kernel-space filesystem, autofs4, anyway. |
| 11:22.12 | galataranator | apt-get remove --purge |
| 11:22.20 | galataranator | or |
| 11:22.21 | galataranator | dpkg -P |
| 11:22.22 | jm_ | !purge =~ s/it's/its/ |
| 11:22.22 | dpkg | OK, jm_ |
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| 11:23.13 | Guerin | galataranator: yeah, no dice. |
| 11:23.22 | balint | TBBle, that will be autofs than. |
| 11:23.24 | Guerin | oh well, don't much care at the moment |
| 11:23.29 | TBBle | balint: Ah. My bad then. Soz. |
| 11:23.44 | galataranator | Guerin: its possible that your binaries are trojaned and are lying to you :-) |
| 11:24.04 | kbrooks | !be |
| 11:24.05 | dpkg | i guess be is Beryllium. Belgium, or the company who made BeOS |
| 11:24.22 | kbrooks | ah |
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| 11:24.59 | galataranator | i gotta go |
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| 11:25.58 | balint | TBBle, nonono, :) no problem, you helped a lot!, tanks for that. i see, i'll resolve it. :) |
| 11:26.32 | jm_ | mkautosmb might help with autofs and Windows shares |
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| 11:26.55 | Nameless1 | can someone answer a few questions for me about debian. im downloading the 1st dvd of debian can i install it with just the one dvd? or do i need to wait for both? also i read on the webpage and it has no mention of php5 but it also claims it keeps its packages update to date. so is there php5 for debian as i am learning php msyql and all that crap and need them to run nice and smooth |
| 11:26.56 | liable | Guerin: might have been that warez rugby game you downloaded :P |
| 11:27.40 | orlon_ | Nameless1: you don't need to download the whole DVD to do the install if you've got net access. you can use the netinst cd image (which is much smaller) |
| 11:28.23 | Nameless1 | yeah i have around a gig of the 1st dvd so i may as well finish it. |
| 11:28.24 | orlon_ | Nameless1: have a look at packages.debian.org to see which debian release has php5 packages |
| 11:28.48 | orlon_ | Nameless1: faery nuff. I usually use the business card iso, which is only 35Mb |
| 11:28.49 | Nameless1 | i had a look but only saw php4, ill have another look |
| 11:29.09 | orlon_ | !pkg php5 |
| 11:29.25 | jm_ | php5 was mentioned on Planet Debian not so long ago if my memory serves me well |
| 11:29.34 | Nameless1 | actualy i think ill download that lol, pop it in and go to bed! |
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| 11:30.07 | orlon_ | !dfind php5 |
| 11:30.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'php5' (3): (/usr/share/doc/libphp-adodb/examples/test-php5.php) in web/libphp-adodb ;; (/usr/share/doc/yada-doc/examples/{php5.packages.gz|php5.php5-module.packages.gz}) in devel/yada-doc ;; (/usr/share/moodle/lib/cas/domxml-php4-php5.php, /usr/share/moodle/lib/adodb/tests/test-php5.php, /usr/share/moodle/mod/quiz/questiontypes/rqp/uni_soap.php5) in web/moodle. |
| 11:30.52 | Nameless1 | aahh nice thanx |
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| 11:31.11 | Nameless1 | is it realy true debian can go for years with out rebooting? |
| 11:31.12 | Nameless1 | lol |
| 11:31.15 | orlon_ | Nameless1: php5 is in unstable, don't know about sarge/stable |
| 11:31.29 | orlon_ | Nameless1: yup but that's the case for most linux distro's |
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| 11:32.07 | Nameless1 | does anyone here use php in debian? |
| 11:32.11 | orlon_ | Nameless1: my last job we had a box in Japan that was installed in 2001 and wasn't rebooted (well, not yet that I know of) |
| 11:32.15 | orlon_ | Nameless1: yup |
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| 11:32.32 | Nameless1 | is it stable enough to use? beucase i want to learn the php5 features of object oriented programin and cant do that in php4 |
| 11:33.20 | Panzerboy | i am experiencing some very strange issues with apt-get |
| 11:33.29 | kbrooks | Nameless1, yes it is stable enough |
| 11:33.31 | orlon_ | Nameless1: use aptitude instead, it's much better |
| 11:33.48 | Panzerboy | i am using a router to connect to my ISP |
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| 11:33.58 | Nameless1 | aptitude? instead of apt-get? |
| 11:34.12 | Panzerboy | and sometimes apt-get is very very slow downloading packages |
| 11:34.18 | huliganz | hi. i'm using 2.6 kernel for my debian, but i have many problems with 'Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2810SA' and now I want to try 2.4 kernel. does anybody know, what will happen with system's quotas ? i know that there was smth special with quota support in 2.4 and 2.6 kernels |
| 11:34.20 | orlon_ | Nameless1: yeah. |
| 11:34.21 | Panzerboy | no matter what mirror i use |
| 11:34.23 | kbrooks | Panzerboy, dude |
| 11:34.31 | Panzerboy | and only if i use the router |
| 11:34.45 | kbrooks | Panzerboy, ISP, not aptitude's problem |
| 11:34.51 | Panzerboy | if i connect directly to the internet, it works ok |
| 11:34.53 | Panzerboy | no man |
| 11:35.03 | Nameless1 | yeh ill try im new and i am in ubuntu right now, ubuntu got me realy used to aptget lol |
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| 11:35.10 | chatmandoo | hi |
| 11:35.11 | Panzerboy | and sometimes, and this is the weird part, it wors ok even with the router |
| 11:35.17 | Panzerboy | so i don't get it |
| 11:35.19 | kbrooks | Nameless1, THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE? |
| 11:35.25 | chatmandoo | i am trying to make a custom debian distro |
| 11:35.27 | Panzerboy | first i thought it is the MTU setting |
| 11:35.37 | Panzerboy | but no, i've changed that, and nothing |
| 11:35.39 | Nameless1 | i am in ubuntu but i want a distro that hasnt got a *$@#ed up webserver |
| 11:35.45 | chatmandoo | i am just wondering how to make a bootable dvd so that it boots t |
| 11:35.45 | Panzerboy | and downloading and browsing works perfect |
| 11:35.47 | chatmandoo | thanks |
| 11:35.49 | kbrooks | Nameless1, just because ubuntu is based on debian doesnt mean we support it |
| 11:35.52 | kbrooks | ok? |
| 11:35.55 | Panzerboy | just not apt-get / aptitude |
| 11:35.57 | Nameless1 | i tried using Xampp to fix my php5 problem but that screwed it up and now i cant install mysql |
| 11:36.09 | Panzerboy | so i don't know what to do |
| 11:36.18 | Panzerboy | also, i've had the EXACT same problem in ubuntu |
| 11:36.23 | Nameless1 | so now im gona try debian instead of ubuntu its the only distro i havent realy tried i think other then maybe gentoo |
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| 11:36.29 | Nameless1 | (well out of the major ones) |
| 11:36.31 | Panzerboy | and i've tried changing the cables and the network card |
| 11:36.34 | Panzerboy | and still the same |
| 11:36.43 | kbrooks | Nameless1, be careful. |
| 11:36.58 | Nameless1 | careful with what? ubuntu or debian? |
| 11:37.07 | kbrooks | Nameless1, debian |
| 11:37.16 | fatal__ | chatmandoo: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO/cd-roms.html |
| 11:37.18 | Nameless1 | why the warning is it alot harder then ubuntu to use? |
| 11:37.19 | chealer | Nameless1: what php5 problem do you have? php5 isn't in debian |
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| 11:37.29 | kbrooks | Nameless1, not exactly |
| 11:37.41 | Nameless1 | i was talking about xampp and ubuntu |
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| 11:37.44 | kbrooks | Nameless1, apt-get and aptitude are there |
| 11:38.05 | Nameless1 | xampp doesnt come with any distro and its a got php5 its a presetup webserver thing i used the windows version before i went to linux |
| 11:38.21 | Nameless1 | the win version is prob the best server package for windows |
| 11:38.58 | kbrooks | Nameless1, xampp doesnt come with any distro because.....oh, i dunno |
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| 11:39.14 | Nameless1 | is ubuntu the king of linux distros beucase it looks the "biggest" |
| 11:39.20 | kbrooks | no |
| 11:39.41 | Nameless1 | yup |
| 11:39.48 | kbrooks | Nameless1, you know, debian is the most customizable distro |
| 11:39.54 | kbrooks | Nameless1, no. look |
| 11:40.22 | Nameless1 | yeh even if i dont stick with it i think ill learn alot from it so its a win win situation :) |
| 11:40.24 | kbrooks | there is no 'king of linux distros' |
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| 11:40.42 | Nameless1 | the customizability thing would explain the size lol |
| 11:40.42 | kbrooks | Nameless1, listen |
| 11:40.49 | chemaja | kbrooks: how about a "duke"? |
| 11:40.59 | chemaja | kbrooks: that would be pretty sweet |
| 11:41.00 | kbrooks | the distro you like is the one you pick |
| 11:41.11 | kbrooks | *you* |
| 11:41.19 | kbrooks | and nobody else |
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| 11:42.05 | kbrooks | Nameless1, and you can switch between distros...... |
| 11:42.12 | Nameless1 | yes |
| 11:42.15 | Nameless1 | well im tryin them all out |
| 11:42.26 | chemaja | Nameless1: all? |
| 11:42.30 | kbrooks | there are more ;) |
| 11:42.35 | Nameless1 | i have tried suse\mandrake\fedoracore4\redhat years ago and ubuntu and kubuntu |
| 11:42.41 | Nameless1 | yes most of the MAIN ones tho |
| 11:42.50 | kbrooks | Nameless1, you just dont know the limit of your iminagiation |
| 11:42.50 | chemaja | Nameless1: aaaaaaaaaaaaah ;-) |
| 11:42.55 | Nameless1 | i tried gentoo and got pissed off that it had no installer too |
| 11:42.56 | Nameless1 | lol |
| 11:42.58 | kbrooks | imagnation* |
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| 11:43.27 | Nameless1 | 10sec till i got the net install... |
| 11:43.29 | kbrooks | Nameless1, gentoo doesnt have a installer. YOU are the installer |
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| 11:43.42 | Nameless1 | yeh i know, a little 2 hard for someone like me lol |
| 11:43.53 | chemaja | Nameless1: while you're at it, you may as well try a BSD. Just for comparison's sake.. |
| 11:43.56 | kbrooks | Nameless1, i have been on many distros before |
| 11:44.05 | kbrooks | chemaja, dude |
| 11:44.21 | Nameless1 | what one woudl u say thats more like? more like gentoo or ubuntu? |
| 11:44.39 | kbrooks | Nameless1, what are you talking about? |
| 11:44.44 | chemaja | Nameless1: are you talking to me? |
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| 11:44.57 | Nameless1 | yeh i was che |
| 11:44.59 | kbrooks | Nameless1, Are you a newbie to linux? |
| 11:45.02 | Nameless1 | about BSD |
| 11:45.09 | kbrooks | Nameless1, answer: gentoo |
| 11:45.15 | Nameless1 | i know the basics im starting to feel more comfy in it but im a noob |
| 11:45.21 | kbrooks | Nameless1, although theres a PC BSD |
| 11:45.24 | kbrooks | iirc |
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| 11:45.49 | kbrooks | Nameless1, well, i would TRY and install debian |
| 11:46.03 | Guerin | Nameless1: i strongly advise against taking advice from kbrooks |
| 11:46.05 | Nameless1 | yeah ill TRY |
| 11:46.06 | kbrooks | from the netinstall cds |
| 11:46.12 | Nameless1 | do u think it will be 2 hard for me or something? |
| 11:46.21 | Nameless1 | im burning it right now so ill find out soon! |
| 11:46.34 | Guerin | Nameless1: debian install is easy. Just hit enter lots. |
| 11:46.41 | Nameless1 | lol |
| 11:46.47 | chemaja | Nameless1: the only reason I suggest trying BSD (which is not like gentoo or ubuntu IMHO) is the excellent local documentation of the base system, which aids greatly in learning how UNIX-based systems in general function. Then come back to linux when you get sick of [whatever it is that keeps everyone from running BSD] |
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| 11:46.52 | kbrooks | Guerin, defaults! they suck |
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| 11:47.08 | Guerin | see why you shouldn't listen to kbrooks? |
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| 11:47.30 | kbrooks | Guerin, dude.....drop it.....and leave me alone |
| 11:47.35 | Nameless1 | yeah if i have any troubles with any distro ill give it a try |
| 11:47.44 | Guerin | kbrooks: sane defaults are good. |
| 11:47.50 | oxff|2 | are the kernel 2.6.12 debian specific patches already available? |
| 11:48.01 | darkness | sep: I've purged ttysnoop and reinstalled, still the same error. "Can't connect to server? |
| 11:48.05 | Guerin | oxff|2: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:48.09 | kbrooks | Guerin, on windows, insane defaults are bad |
| 11:48.19 | liable | hehe |
| 11:48.29 | Guerin | kbrooks: debian has sane defaults. why are you applying windows logic to debian? |
| 11:48.33 | Guerin | oh |
| 11:48.33 | liable | kbrooks: shuddup |
| 11:48.39 | Guerin | it's because you're a clueless moron |
| 11:48.49 | kbrooks | fnie fine fine |
| 11:48.53 | kbrooks | fine* |
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| 11:49.24 | Guerin | !qotd71 |
| 11:49.25 | dpkg | hmm... qotd71 is <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
| 11:49.31 | Guerin | hurrah! |
| 11:49.35 | caphuso | heh |
| 11:49.38 | kbrooks | Nameless1, the debian install is too easy |
| 11:49.40 | Texou | Hi, I've problems with building links-2.pre16, could someone help me please? It says that it can't find "openssl.pc", indeed it doesn't exist on my Woody, since it's rather for a RedHat. Would you have a solution please? |
| 11:49.50 | TBBle | Does that QOTD come out every week or so? |
| 11:49.51 | kbrooks | Guerin, i regret saying that. |
| 11:49.59 | kbrooks | TBBle, yup |
| 11:50.00 | Guerin | kbrooks: i'm sure you. |
| 11:50.14 | oxff|2 | mhm, when will there be zlib patches for testing? |
| 11:50.16 | jm_ | Texou: so find hte package with it ... |
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| 11:50.27 | Guerin | oxff|2: when they're ready. |
| 11:50.43 | caphuso | oxff|2: today, tomorrow, in a couple of weeks, nobody knows or can know |
| 11:51.08 | Guerin | oxff|2: if you feel like getting flamed, ask the debian-kernel mailing list |
| 11:51.14 | Texou | jm_, I didn't find a Debian Package with it, at least on Woody. Should I have to try rpm? I afraid to meet dependency problems. |
| 11:51.14 | jm_ | although it looks like Woody doesn't have that and you will have to investigate why is this |
| 11:51.31 | kbrooks | Texou, do not try rpm. |
| 11:51.36 | Guerin | Texou: upgrade to sarge. |
| 11:51.38 | oxff|2 | mhm debian seems like a bunch of flamers to me already anyawy ;) |
| 11:51.44 | Texou | ok I'll not so. |
| 11:51.45 | jm_ | Texou: no, that won't help - maybe it requires newer openssl, maybe check backports.org if you want to stick to Woody, or upgrade to Sarge |
| 11:51.46 | Guerin | oxff|2: stfu n00b |
| 11:51.59 | TBBle | Texou: Have a look at the link2 pacakge in Debian, and see how they solved it? |
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| 11:52.34 | darkness | ttysnoop: Anyone familiar configing it? |
| 11:52.35 | Texou | oh, good idea. I didn't think of that I'm going to look |
| 11:52.48 | oxff|2 | yeah Guerin, i'm such a computer noob! |
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| 11:52.59 | chemaja | oxff|2: they're so *not* flamers. I praised BSD and no-one blinked. :) |
| 11:53.06 | Guerin | oxff|2: :) |
| 11:53.22 | Coke | mmm. BSD.... gaaaahrgh.. |
| 11:53.35 | Coke | with strawberry topping.... gaaahrgh.. |
| 11:53.40 | kbrooks | heh |
| 11:53.52 | kbrooks | bsd...bsd.... |
| 11:53.54 | kbrooks | :) |
| 11:53.57 | Guerin | ah, pilsner urquell |
| 11:54.04 | Guerin | which i'm not supposed to drink |
| 11:54.07 | Guerin | but it's so gooood |
| 11:54.07 | chemaja | %s/blinked/flamed/g |
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| 11:54.22 | darkness | Guerin, you familiar with setting up ttysnoop? |
| 11:54.31 | Guerin | darkness: never heard of it |
| 11:54.35 | darkness | k |
| 11:54.53 | zOap | Guerin, you from? |
| 11:55.02 | darkness | It did work. Fucking debian upgrades. |
| 11:55.04 | Guerin | zOap: noo zillin |
| 11:55.23 | zOap | Guerin, aaah, didnt know you had pilsner there:) |
| 11:55.34 | darkness | Upgrade woody > sarge. Then were did apache go, it was here earlier. |
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| 11:55.45 | Guerin | zOap: there's this wonderful thing called 'international trade' |
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| 11:55.54 | zOap | lol |
| 11:56.02 | kbrooks | LOL |
| 11:56.11 | Guerin | darkness: if you were using a backported or unofficial apache package, it would've gotten dropped but not upgraded |
| 11:56.18 | kbrooks | may I poll the channel? |
| 11:56.25 | Guerin | kbrooks: no. |
| 11:56.30 | kbrooks | Fine. |
| 11:56.32 | darkness | Guerin , it was installed using apt-get. |
| 11:56.39 | Guerin | darkness: irrelevant. |
| 11:56.45 | Texou | If I understand, for SSL, Debian created a links-ssl package. But how can I know how it deals with openssl? |
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| 11:56.47 | Guerin | darkness: reread what I wrote. |
| 11:56.55 | Guerin | Texou: utsl |
| 11:57.04 | jm_ | that's like pouring gasolin into a diesel car and saying "I did it on the gas station" |
| 11:57.26 | liable | happens frequently. |
| 11:57.27 | darkness | So Guerin apt-get just gets the package from a pool that could be of backported or official packages? |
| 11:57.47 | kbrooks | darkness, No. It uses the sources.list |
| 11:57.50 | Guerin | darkness: gets it from wherever you tell it to. |
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| 11:58.16 | darkness | But isn't the source list what debian loads with if you don't confid source files? |
| 11:58.19 | Panzerboy | heh |
| 11:58.21 | Panzerboy | finally |
| 11:58.23 | Panzerboy | xchat |
| 11:58.39 | streuner | !tell Panzerboy about enter |
| 11:58.43 | dondelelcaro | darkness: there isn't a default sources.list. run apt-setup. |
| 11:58.47 | Guerin | darkness: no. |
| 11:59.09 | Panzerboy | streuner: that wasn't a sentence, there were 3 sentences :) |
| 11:59.11 | balint | can anyone help me seting timeout for smbmount? |
| 11:59.12 | greycat | darkness: man sources.list |
| 11:59.57 | streuner | Panzerboy: don't fuck with me, iam not in good mood when i think about innocent people who died in London |
| 12:00.00 | Guerin | Panzerboy: your sentences no verbs |
| 12:00.35 | darkness | Okay last question before i go and read the man pages. I installed debian from a debian mirror site. I've never config'd the source file list which therefore they were there on install so? |
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| 12:01.02 | Guerin | darkness: you set one up at install time. |
| 12:01.05 | greycat | darkness: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:01.16 | kbrooks | ..... |
| 12:01.18 | Panzerboy | streuner: and what do i have to do with that? |
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| 12:01.51 | streuner | Panzerboy: well, nothing |
| 12:02.26 | darkness | deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 12:02.27 | darkness | # deb-src ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 12:02.27 | darkness | #deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main |
| 12:02.27 | darkness | # deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main |
| 12:02.27 | darkness | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
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| 12:02.50 | streuner | darkness: /msg dpkg flood |
| 12:02.57 | darkness | Sorry. |
| 12:03.12 | balint | TBBle, i've set up /mnt/misc/termeles as a mount point. my problem is directory termeles appears only if it's mounted. if i try to acces /mnt/misc/a (wich is not set) autofs tries to mount it, but it fails, this is right, if ' access /mnt/misc/termeles autofs mounts it right, and than it appears. so when it's not mounted users have to know what dirs they to access to be automounted. is this that way for you? (so my problem is mouontpoin |
| 12:03.12 | balint | ts ar not 'mkdir -p'-ed, only /mnt/misc) |
| 12:03.13 | streuner | darkness: looks ok to me |
| 12:03.34 | greycat | if metawire.net is in the UK, then it's fine. |
| 12:03.47 | lilalinux | The LED of my harddisk flashes periodically every 1/2 second |
| 12:03.49 | TBBle | balint: That is the way autofs works, yes. |
| 12:03.56 | lilalinux | How can I find out, what process is responsible for that? |
| 12:04.00 | Guerin | metawire is a shellhost |
| 12:04.01 | streuner | darkness: besides, why do you use 2 different protocols to get packages? |
| 12:04.08 | darkness | So why would i have a backported or unofficial apache file. |
| 12:04.13 | TBBle | balint: You can set up a directory of symlinks into /mnt/misc/ to get around that. |
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| 12:04.19 | Guerin | lilalinux: probably something writing logs |
| 12:04.19 | darkness | Yes i'm in the uk |
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| 12:04.33 | chemaja | lilalinux: i'm not sure what this does, but "slabinfo"? |
| 12:04.52 | lilalinux | chemaja: I have only slabtop |
| 12:04.54 | lilalinux | will try that |
| 12:05.02 | chemaja | lilalinux: yep, that's what i meant. |
| 12:05.31 | Guerin | !tell _linuxAS_ about away |
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| 12:06.28 | _linuxAS_ | xDDDD |
| 12:07.34 | _linuxAS_ | a la mierda!!! |
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| 12:08.29 | chemaja | lilalinux: let me know if slabtop was relevant, won't you? |
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| 12:09.36 | PDani | there's a commandline application (i don't remember its name), which can change the properties of an X11 window by its name, or title, etc... what its name? |
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| 12:09.49 | darkness | So streuner, if i used the pasted sites to apt-get apache. Why whould apt-get isntall a backported or unofficial apache program? |
| 12:09.52 | jm_ | PDani: I asked you a question earlier ... |
| 12:10.16 | kbrooks | ok then |
| 12:10.23 | kbrooks | im going to debian |
| 12:10.25 | kbrooks | brb |
| 12:10.30 | greycat | darkness: apt-cache policy apache |
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| 12:10.44 | PDani | jm_: sorry, i didn't listen |
| 12:11.06 | jm_ | PDani: so why do you come on IRC, ask a question and then don't bother reading your history? it's stupid |
| 12:11.31 | jm_ | PDani: anyway, what properties are you talking about? |
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| 12:11.46 | chemaja | PDani: i have a feeling there's a certain shell variable which is set on a certain event. this is what the term emulator reads and updates itself with |
| 12:11.57 | hellish | Is it possible to use java applets in firefox using a non-sun jvm? Everything on google/dpkg seems to refer to linking sun's plugin. |
| 12:12.02 | chemaja | PDani: but i could be completely wrong :) |
| 12:12.05 | greycat | chemaja: I have a feeling you made that up |
| 12:12.07 | PDani | jm_: sorry again. i want to put to another workspace the window |
| 12:12.07 | darkness | Installed version 1.3.33-6 0 500 ftp//ftp.uk.debian.org stable/main packages |
| 12:12.21 | jm_ | PDani: that's window manager specific |
| 12:12.21 | chemaja | greycat: believe it or not, i was being sincere |
| 12:12.26 | greycat | darkness: ok, now what makes you THINK that's an unofficial or backported package? |
| 12:12.28 | Guerin | hellish: some people report success using ibm or blackdown, but nothing free. |
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| 12:12.31 | balint | TBBle, acording the man on autofs stop rmfir -p /mnt/misc will be executed, so my symlink will be deleted, if i'm not mistaken. |
| 12:13.02 | Guerin | greycat: he did woody->sarge and apache got dropped |
| 12:13.02 | kbrooks | ibm's java is going to be OSS |
| 12:13.04 | PDani | jm_: hm... i tried that utility with gnome and xfce... but i forgot its name... |
| 12:13.12 | Guerin | kbrooks: bullshit. |
| 12:13.12 | TBBle | balint: No, you don't make the symlinks _in_ /mnt/misc, you make then _to_ /mnt/misc. |
| 12:13.15 | greycat | Guerin: so just put it back... |
| 12:13.22 | hellish | Guerin: Damn. Thanks anyway. I'm going to go find out hard it would be to write one. |
| 12:13.29 | kbrooks | i heard, Guerin |
| 12:13.31 | Guerin | hellish: hahaha |
| 12:13.34 | Guerin | kbrooks: link? |
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| 12:13.37 | chemaja | PDani: have you check your terminal emulator's doco? |
| 12:13.42 | kbrooks | Guerin, hold on |
| 12:13.44 | jm_ | PDani: xfce-mcs-manager? maybe try dpkg -L xfce4 |
| 12:13.46 | darkness | greycat: This is stemming from an earlier question in the room. I ungraded from woody to sarge which affected the program apache. Apache didn't copy over and the answaer was becasue ..... |
| 12:13.47 | Guerin | hellish: gcj is probably the leading contender |
| 12:14.13 | TBBle | balint: symlink /smb/termeles to /mnt/misc/termeles. Then people can look in /smb and see the links, and if they cd into one, it resolves to /mnt/misc/termeles, and autofs kicks in. |
| 12:14.14 | kbrooks | oohh |
| 12:14.15 | greycat | darkness: oh, well, too late to diagnose it now then. |
| 12:14.23 | PDani | ok, thx |
| 12:14.29 | Guerin | greycat: that's the simple way. He was wanting to know why; i suggested that unofficial or backported packages aren't always updated properly. |
| 12:14.31 | kbrooks | Guerin, i misinterpreted the sources |
| 12:14.38 | Guerin | kbrooks: shock! horror! |
| 12:14.39 | TBBle | balint: I'm pretty sure the example autofs does this with /media, so your /cdrom symlink works. |
| 12:14.45 | Guerin | kbrooks: i am speechless with surprise. |
| 12:14.51 | jm_ | PDani: or maybe xfce4-toys package |
| 12:14.52 | Guerin | ... |
| 12:15.07 | jm_ | or utils, there's a lot of stuff in there |
| 12:15.13 | chemaja | lol w/Guerin |
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| 12:15.32 | lilalinux | chemaja: not really |
| 12:15.56 | kbrooks | http://news.com.com/2100-1007_3-5165427.html |
| 12:16.04 | chemaja | lilalinux: k, thanks. (took a second to remember what you were on about, there :) |
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| 12:17.43 | kbrooks | maybe java will go open source |
| 12:17.46 | kbrooks | maybe not |
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| 12:17.56 | kbrooks | i dont know |
| 12:18.04 | elirips | hello people. i've been using ext3 as filesystem for my desktop so far, now i wanted to ask if there are "big" performance differences between ext3, reiserfs and xfs. anyone knows about? |
| 12:18.11 | kbrooks | but if it does ill learn it |
| 12:18.15 | kbrooks | anyway |
| 12:18.21 | kbrooks | i am going to debian |
| 12:18.23 | kbrooks | bbl |
| 12:18.25 | chemaja | elirips: web search for some comparitive benchmarks. |
| 12:18.45 | kbrooks | hmmm |
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| 12:19.27 | kbrooks | I want to use the latest testing |
| 12:19.28 | jm_ | elirips: http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
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| 12:19.45 | kbrooks | could i use the cd and then upgrade when done? |
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| 12:19.49 | elirips | jm_: thanks. |
| 12:19.50 | TBBle | "to debian" is now a verb? Neat. |
| 12:20.06 | kbrooks | TBBle, sarcasm detected. |
| 12:20.37 | kbrooks | now bye |
| 12:20.40 | jethro | !qotd71 |
| 12:20.40 | dpkg | hmm... qotd71 is <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
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| 12:20.44 | TBBle | No, I think it is neat. Like 'to sarge' became a verb last year, meaning 'to enter Debian/testing, as a package'. |
| 12:20.56 | balint | TBBle, yeah, this has to work, and i should have guesed it myself. thanks again a lot. |
| 12:21.02 | Guerin | kbrooks: there is absolutely no indication that i'm aware of that sun's java implementation or any of its derivatives will ever be open source. |
| 12:21.02 | kbrooks | ill get on with my life |
| 12:21.08 | TBBle | balint: No wuckers. ^_^ |
| 12:21.28 | kbrooks | Guerin, ok. :'( |
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| 12:21.47 | elirips | are there any tools to convert a partition from one filesystem to the other, or do i need to copy everything first, reformat the partition with the new filesystem and copy it back? |
| 12:21.48 | Guerin | let alone free software |
| 12:21.54 | greycat | Guerin: well, Bill Joy is mortal, right? Hopefully? |
| 12:22.13 | TBBle | kbrooks: And yes, to install testing, you can install stable and then upgrade. Although be aware you're leaving security support in the hands of the fates, I understand. |
| 12:22.19 | Guerin | greycat: haha |
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| 12:22.27 | Guerin | JoyBorg |
| 12:22.44 | TBBle | elirips: I think you can upgrade ext2 to ext3. Apart from that, unlikely. |
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| 12:23.46 | wintix | heh. |
| 12:23.51 | yam | I have a problem on a server... when itraceroute an ip, sometimes it hangs in "traceroute to" and nothin happens, and some other times it traces it ok |
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| 12:23.58 | yam | any clue about it? |
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| 12:24.09 | tbm_ | hey |
| 12:24.15 | theboneman | how would i reconfigure X? |
| 12:24.46 | Dz-Denniske | hey all |
| 12:24.49 | TBBle | yam: Try -n, so it doesn't reverse lookup dns? |
| 12:24.53 | theboneman | in debian |
| 12:25.05 | Eulex | !tell theboneman about drxx |
| 12:25.07 | Guerin | !drxx theboneman |
| 12:25.10 | dpkg | theboneman: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 12:25.10 | theboneman | thanks |
| 12:25.12 | Guerin | yup |
| 12:25.25 | theboneman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:25.26 | PDani | jm_: i found it! http://sweb.cz/tripie/utils/wmctrl/ |
| 12:25.48 | chemaja | how old is this London bomb newS? |
| 12:25.48 | Dz-Denniske | i've upgraded my kernel 2.4 tot 2.6 on a dell poweredge 650 but i get this error on booting new kernel "not syncing attempted to kill init" |
| 12:26.09 | jm_ | PDani: ahh it works for netwm compliant window managers, nice |
| 12:26.13 | theboneman | thanks guys |
| 12:26.24 | chemaja | i've got today's date on my news site, but no time (time to upgrade news sites, eh) |
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| 12:26.52 | huliganz | anybody can help? |
| 12:26.55 | huliganz | i'm using 2.6 kernel for my debian, but i have many problems with 'Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2810SA' and now I want to try 2.4 kernel. does anybody know, what will happen with system's quotas ? i know that there was smth special with quota support in 2.4 and 2.6 kernels |
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| 12:27.39 | jm_ | PDani: it's packaged too |
| 12:28.02 | Guerin | chemaja: ~3.5 hours |
| 12:28.04 | llama32 | chemaja: like 4 hours maybe |
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| 12:33.37 | elirips | i am using a laptop, is it still not possible to spin-down the harddisk with journaling filesystems (idd like to save some battery)? if not, am i stuck to ext2? |
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| 12:33.53 | karme | must binary packages build from one source package (multi-binary source package) all have the same version - or in other words must the version of a binary package always match the one of the source package? |
| 12:34.31 | jm_ | karme: any good reason for having different versions? |
| 12:35.29 | karme | jm_: well i currently try to modify a compiler/toolchain package which for simplicity contains binutils / but the binary binutils package has the version of the compiler |
| 12:36.33 | jm_ | karme: this is probably a question for debian mailing lists |
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| 12:38.28 | karme | perhaps to make it clearer - assume i have source package toolchain-foo which should f.a. produce foo-gcc-3.4 and foo-binutils-2.15 |
| 12:39.00 | PDani | ok, bye |
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| 12:39.13 | PDani | jm_: thx |
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| 12:40.06 | karme | jm_: but the binary package has no explicit reference (some control field or the like) to the version of the source package - correct? |
| 12:40.21 | katabroc | hi, I know this is not a debian related question, but how do I close an aplication using a bash script (i wanna close azureus) |
| 12:40.43 | jm_ | karme: some do I think -- Source: bash (2.05b-2-24) |
| 12:41.12 | karme | jm_: thx - i will take a look |
| 12:41.46 | katabroc | is it possible? |
| 12:41.48 | Morti | katabroc: Just "killall azureus"? |
| 12:42.21 | katabroc | and can I tell bash to wait X sec for example? |
| 12:42.44 | doleyb | Morti: that won't work for a java app, you could "killall java" though... if you don't have any others running |
| 12:42.53 | katabroc | hmm |
| 12:42.55 | katabroc | interesting |
| 12:43.10 | katabroc | i will try |
| 12:43.10 | TBBle | karme: Yes, source package is independant of binary package version, but you're asking for some pain on that one to make it work... There's a package which does it, that I can't recall off hand... Puts an epoch on one of it's binary package outputs. |
| 12:43.13 | Guerin | the only good azureus is a dead one, anyhow |
| 12:43.13 | katabroc | =D |
| 12:43.17 | doleyb | katabroc: to wait 10 sec, "sleep 10" |
| 12:43.25 | katabroc | :) |
| 12:43.34 | jharrisonwk | where to find packages being worked on for inclution to the debian archive? |
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| 12:44.25 | jharrisonwk | s/inclution/inclusion |
| 12:44.43 | jm_ | jharrisonwk: you mean this http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp? |
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| 12:45.08 | gogo_ | :) |
| 12:45.32 | jharrisonwk | jm_: yeah |
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| 12:46.31 | karme | TBBle: hmm thx - it seems the bash source package does it |
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| 12:47.26 | TBBle | karme: Hehe. That was easier to find than I expected. ^_^ |
| 12:48.14 | karme | TBBle: jm_ told me |
| 12:48.21 | arbustus | We're trying to make a fs on a lvm2 but we get this error "Engine: FSIM plug-in Ext2/3 returned error code 1 when called to mkfs on volume /dev/evms/raid"? |
| 12:48.29 | arbustus | It's a kernel 2.6 |
| 12:48.42 | TBBle | karme: Aaaah, I misunderstood what he said. |
| 12:49.15 | karme | TBBle: or probably me ;-) |
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| 12:50.14 | karme | TBBle: but the binary package of bash does specify the source version in the source control field |
| 12:51.02 | TBBle | karme: That's not the point though... The source version of a binary package is the first line of its changelog. ^_^ |
| 12:51.12 | Wyzard | arbustus: LVM2 and EVMS are two different things |
| 12:52.10 | arbustus | still the error? |
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| 12:58.41 | FlimFlamMan | i'm on a Sarge box, and gphoto2/gtkam won't recognize my canon eos 350d ... i've tried it on a sid box and it is recognized. is there some way to upgrade gphoto2 on sarge? |
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| 12:59.35 | nkuttler | FlimFlamMan: build from source, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:59.37 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: you could use etch |
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| 12:59.58 | FlimFlamMan | etch is the new Testing? |
| 13:00.06 | jm_ | nice camera |
| 13:00.19 | FlimFlamMan | my first slr :-) |
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| 13:00.33 | RichiH | FlimFlamMan: yes |
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| 13:02.30 | skwashd | hi all |
| 13:02.44 | skwashd | i have been running sarge for ~1yr |
| 13:02.46 | karme | TBBle: of the changelog.Debian file that gets installed? and there is no requirement to put it into the Source control field? |
| 13:03.22 | skwashd | since i dist-upgrade'd to stable sarge recently, i can't install anything new |
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| 13:03.45 | PerfDave | skwashd: The stable branch of Debian doesn't get new versions of packages, only security updates. |
| 13:03.46 | TBBle | karme: The version of the source package is defined by the first line of the changelog, as I recall. You might want to refer to Policy though, for certainty. |
| 13:03.48 | jm_ | skwashd: you dpn't have entries for security updates then |
| 13:04.00 | Eulex | oooo, bbc's stream is working again |
| 13:04.14 | Eulex | sorry, wrong channel |
| 13:04.20 | skwashd | PerfDave: i know that |
| 13:04.23 | vipersniper | is kde 3.4 available for debian 'sid" |
| 13:04.26 | skwashd | jm_: yes i do |
| 13:04.36 | skwashd | when i try to install anything i get ... |
| 13:04.45 | skwashd | Package pkg-name is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 13:04.48 | greycat | vipersniper: ask #debian-kde |
| 13:04.57 | icyfire0573 | I'm having problems getting NFS to work, every time I try and mount the directory it says "mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused" |
| 13:04.58 | greycat | skwashd: STOP BEING VAGUE. |
| 13:05.01 | skwashd | doesn't matter what it is ... unless it is already installed |
| 13:05.07 | greycat | give us the ACTUAL ERRORS with the ACTUAL PACKAGE NAMES! |
| 13:05.24 | Guerin | vipersniper: no. |
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| 13:05.41 | greycat | icyfire0573: take down the firewall, then. |
| 13:05.43 | karme | TBBle: okay. It seems packages with different source versions all specify this in Source: - small script apt-cache dumpavail |grep ^Source -A 1|(IFS=$(echo) && while read a && read b && read c; do echo $a $b; done)|grep \( |
| 13:05.51 | hanz | has any1 configured dell usb mouse? |
| 13:05.53 | jm_ | skwashd: there have been updates to some very common packages in the past few days |
| 13:05.54 | skwashd | phpgroupware pngcrush apache-ssl apache2 |
| 13:06.00 | skwashd | anything |
| 13:06.08 | icyfire0573 | greycat: no firewall running, |
| 13:06.11 | jm_ | well ... |
| 13:06.27 | greycat | icyfire0573: then you're missing the portmap or the rpc.mountd on the server side. |
| 13:06.41 | skwashd | jm_: really? not according to my box ... |
| 13:06.42 | skwashd | dave@soso:/var/www/phpgw16/communik8r/css$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:06.42 | skwashd | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 13:06.42 | skwashd | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 13:06.42 | skwashd | Calculating Upgrade... Done |
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| 13:06.44 | icyfire0573 | greycat: alright, will look into it |
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| 13:06.56 | Eulex | hehe |
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| 13:07.06 | Guerin | skwashd: please to not fdrool into your keyboard |
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| 13:07.24 | asg | skwashd: did you 'apt-get update' before your upgrade? |
| 13:07.31 | jm_ | skwashd: did you read any of the DSA-s? |
| 13:07.42 | TBBle | karme: I don't think that's what you meant to paste... |
| 13:07.45 | skwashd | asg: no i am a complete retard ... of course i did |
| 13:07.46 | greycat | skwashd: were you running SARGE, or were you running TESTING? |
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| 13:08.02 | coco565 | salut !!! |
| 13:08.03 | asg | skwashd: you'd be amazed how many people are tripped up by that one. |
| 13:08.13 | skwashd | greycat: my apt.sources called it sarge |
| 13:08.25 | cadu | debian has a command a normal user can issue to set his locale ? i haev a multilanguage enviroment here... |
| 13:08.29 | coco565 | hello !!! |
| 13:08.35 | greycat | skwashd: type "sudo apt-get install one-package" for any one package that fails, capture the whole thing, and put it on a web page. |
| 13:08.37 | coco565 | :) |
| 13:08.39 | coco565 | :-) |
| 13:08.50 | cadu | Or, people have to set the LC_* manually on some startup script ? |
| 13:08.51 | Guerin | cadu: use environment variables |
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| 13:09.04 | Guerin | cadu: yeah, ~/.profile |
| 13:09.05 | greycat | cadu: you can put LANG=en_US in ~/.bash_profile etc.' |
| 13:09.15 | coco565 | je suis franais ! |
| 13:09.19 | asg | !fr |
| 13:09.19 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 13:09.34 | greycat | shouldn't that be #debian-france? |
| 13:09.38 | coco565 | yes |
| 13:09.41 | cadu | ~/.profile is always executed by bash/login shell ? |
| 13:09.43 | apt | ...but /.profile is already something else... |
| 13:09.47 | karme | TBBle: no - but it helps ;-) - i think i should take a look at the gcc-defaults package - thx |
| 13:09.53 | greycat | dpkg, fr =~ s/debian-fr/debian-france/g |
| 13:09.53 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 13:09.58 | skwashd | greycat: would you like the output of another apt-get update too ? |
| 13:10.04 | greycat | !wikifaq cadu DotFiles |
| 13:10.06 | coco565 | tank you ! |
| 13:10.06 | dpkg | cadu: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:10.09 | greycat | cadu: READ that. Very important. |
| 13:10.16 | TBBle | karme: Yeah, I was just about to suggest gcc packaging as one that does it. |
| 13:10.17 | greycat | The whole thing. |
| 13:10.30 | cadu | greycat: thanks ...i'm a bit lost about what files get executed on Debian upon login |
| 13:10.38 | cadu | greycat: it's good to be back :) |
| 13:10.47 | greycat | cadu: that's why I wrote that page. |
| 13:11.05 | skwashd | greycat: http://pastebin.com/308886 |
| 13:11.20 | coco565 | notorious big it's good !!! |
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| 13:11.52 | skwashd | greycat: nightly updated ISP mirror |
| 13:12.02 | skwashd | works fine for 3 other boxes |
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| 13:12.10 | skwashd | unmetered content ... that is why i use it |
| 13:12.23 | greycat | I don't see it on ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt |
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| 13:12.48 | PDani | hi |
| 13:12.48 | skwashd | greycat: you won't ... it is customer only ... but i can tell you it is updated nightly |
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| 13:13.05 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 13:13.12 | TBBle | internode is an Australian ISP, for reference. |
| 13:13.25 | PDani | how can i run an ssh client in the background? (i need that connection because of the portforwarding) |
| 13:13.36 | greycat | PDani: man ssh |
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| 13:13.40 | rindolf | How do I find out which package contains a certain file on the filesystem? |
| 13:13.57 | greycat | rindolf: dpkg -S |
| 13:13.57 | skwashd | TBBle: s/an/the :) |
| 13:14.28 | sohn_ | PDani: is this a problem ? |
| 13:14.32 | greycat | skwashd: apt-cache policy phpgroupware |
| 13:14.37 | caphuso | lc |
| 13:15.14 | skwashd | greycat: http://pastebin.com/308887 |
| 13:15.27 | skwashd | TBBle: :P |
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| 13:15.48 | greycat | what the hell does "-1 ftp://mirror.internode.on.net sarge/main Packages" mean? |
| 13:15.57 | greycat | are you doing any of that pinning shit? |
| 13:16.09 | skwashd | greycat: i am not pinning shit |
| 13:16.11 | tarzeau | heh |
| 13:16.26 | Guerin | pinning shit to anything is tricky |
| 13:16.27 | skwashd | i forced my install to use sarge ... not testing ... which is perfectly legit |
| 13:16.31 | asg | 'pin the shit on tarzeau' is much more fun than bub-n-bros |
| 13:16.48 | Esaj | has anyone tried using a USB as a persistent /home directory? |
| 13:16.53 | greycat | skwashd: on my boxes, it always says "500 http://ftp.us.debian.org sarge/main Packages" |
| 13:16.54 | Esaj | *a USB key |
| 13:16.58 | yxa | guys if the permissions of my users' home somehow got screwed up, how do I write a script to chown -R user:user <directory also named user> for every directory in /home ? |
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| 13:17.14 | tarzeau | yxa: using "find" |
| 13:17.16 | greycat | I am assuming, for lack of better information, that the -1 indicates a problem with your Packages. |
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| 13:17.36 | skwashd | greycat: fascinating ... doesn't do anything for me |
| 13:17.41 | tarzeau | wait that smells like unofficial non-debian unholy cursed packages |
| 13:17.46 | tarzeau | skwashd: can you run vrms? |
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| 13:17.58 | bob2 | cd /home ; for i in * ; do chown -R $(basename $i):$(basename $i) $i ; done |
| 13:18.01 | TBBle | -1 is the priority of a package that's not installed, because apt-get will not automatically install it for you. |
| 13:18.03 | skwashd | tarzeau: no |
| 13:18.09 | skwashd | wtf is vrms ? |
| 13:18.17 | asg | !vrms |
| 13:18.17 | dpkg | it has been said that vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky non-free software... |
| 13:18.17 | tarzeau | bob2: that'll fail with My Folders |
| 13:18.18 | greycat | phpgroupware: |
| 13:18.18 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.21 | greycat | ... |
| 13:18.21 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.37 | bob2 | tarzeau: if you have users with spaces in their names, you've lost already |
| 13:18.46 | TBBle | Oh, you're right... -1 is "never install, no matter what". |
| 13:18.49 | tarzeau | bob2: no you can do it fine if you know how to quote |
| 13:19.03 | DrPete | anyone know a good free secondary dns service? |
| 13:19.08 | yxa | bob2 nice |
| 13:19.08 | tarzeau | bob2: you've lost when your users have slashes in their filenames |
| 13:19.15 | skwashd | TBBle: that explains why apt is not installing stuff |
| 13:19.21 | bob2 | wtf |
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| 13:19.31 | skwashd | but it doesn't explain why everything is set to -1 |
| 13:19.32 | yxa | can unix users have spaces in their account names? |
| 13:19.36 | tarzeau | yxa: no |
| 13:19.46 | greycat | DrPete: get a job as a sysadmin |
| 13:19.49 | bob2 | if you can make a file with a / in it's name without a hex editor, I'll buy you a beer |
| 13:19.57 | TBBle | skwashd: Do you have an /etc/apt/preferences? Or an /etc/apt.conf ? |
| 13:19.57 | tarzeau | bob2: mac os |
| 13:20.02 | DrPete | greycat: lol |
| 13:20.06 | bob2 | tarzeau: oh, suck |
| 13:20.08 | greycat | yxa: if you try it and it blows up, we reserve the right to point and laugh. |
| 13:20.32 | greycat | bob2: the normal way to do that is to NFS mount something onto a Macintosh |
| 13:20.40 | nvz | tarzeau: you are just being a PITA :P |
| 13:20.47 | tarzeau | nvz: yes :) |
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| 13:20.50 | greycat | bob2: but I'm not sure which bugs must be present for it to happen. I've only ever seen it ONCE in my life. |
| 13:20.53 | bob2 | greycat: hah, especially handy when said work machine has no rdns |
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| 13:21.00 | bob2 | greycat: woah |
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| 13:21.22 | bob2 | tho, "DATA CORRUPTING NFS BUG" shouldn't shock me too much |
| 13:21.27 | TBBle | bob2: Are homograph attacks allowed"? |
| 13:21.32 | skwashd | TBBle: ah ... that was it .... i think |
| 13:21.47 | Esaj | hmm, is it sensible to use a USB key as a portable home directory? |
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| 13:21.58 | cadu | well |
| 13:22.00 | bob2 | greycat: does the kernel explode or just slowly smoulder when it finds a file system like that? |
| 13:22.20 | greycat | bob2: no explosions. It just can't touch it. |
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| 13:22.35 | greycat | bob2: you end up with a file or directory that's totally verboten |
| 13:22.37 | nvz | Esaj: wont hurt but its far from ideal I would mount it inside home say ~/portable and link anything stored on it to there |
| 13:22.37 | cadu | i've put LANG=pt_BR on my ~/.bash_profile (with export) ...variable is being exported fine but i'm not seeing a single program using pt_br for error messages etc...what is happening ? |
| 13:22.46 | skwashd | TBBle: thanks ... i had tried grabbing something from experimental last week ... had some pinning in there which i forgot about ... and it was wrong anyway |
| 13:22.50 | skwashd | thanks all |
| 13:23.09 | greycat | 09:15 greycat> are you doing any of that pinning shit? |
| 13:23.09 | greycat | 09:16 skwashd> greycat: i am not pinning shit |
| 13:23.13 | greycat | !win greycat |
| 13:23.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 13:23.27 | TBBle | cadu: Are oyu sshing to the machine? There's a bug in ssh and pam just now. And for reference, you have to export LANG for it to work. |
| 13:23.33 | bob2 | Esaj: I'd be kinda concerned about the flash failing and me losing important files, so I'd do what nvz suggested |
| 13:23.36 | nvz | Esaj: you can automount it before login, by pluggin it in and having something like hotplug detect it.. but you cannot autounmount when you want to leave, it would be tricky |
| 13:23.40 | bob2 | Esaj: but then I have terrible luck with usb flash devices |
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| 13:23.43 | TBBle | Yup, I'll pay greycat double points for that. |
| 13:23.43 | rindolf | greycat: thanks. |
| 13:23.48 | skwashd | greycat: i am glad i helped your ego |
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| 13:23.50 | jm_ | cadu: you didn't read what greycat told you to read - you didn't logout/login again or sourced your new files ... |
| 13:23.59 | cadu | TBBle: no...i've put 'export LANG=pt_BR' and it is working ok...but ls..others...all in english |
| 13:24.10 | rindolf | Is there any reason why cp -i -f one two should ask for permission if the file exists, on Woody? |
| 13:24.13 | cadu | jm_: it's another account...i'm doing this on 2 local X sessions and text logins |
| 13:24.19 | cadu | mine is all english |
| 13:24.26 | TBBle | cadu: Ah, so you said. What's locale say your locale is? |
| 13:24.36 | jm_ | cadu: well check your environment - make sure it's set |
| 13:24.37 | Esaj | nvz: basically I just need a way to keep my personal settings the same on different linux installations |
| 13:24.44 | nvz | Esaj: f.e. if you have settings ~/.blah on a portable device you would link ~/.blah -> ~/portable/.blah and mount your device on ~/.portable |
| 13:24.45 | cadu | cadu@Astrogilda:~$ echo $LANG |
| 13:24.45 | cadu | en_US |
| 13:24.45 | cadu | cadu@Astrogilda:~$ |
| 13:24.55 | Esaj | bob2: I didn't know they could fail - I'll bear that in mind :) |
| 13:24.58 | bob2 | rindolf: I'd've thought it'd tell the user to go away if you tried that |
| 13:25.04 | jm_ | well then ... |
| 13:25.04 | cadu | and on the other account it's perfectly LANG=pt_BR |
| 13:25.06 | cadu | straaange |
| 13:25.07 | Esaj | nvz: aha, I see. thanks |
| 13:25.09 | nvz | Esaj: so that you arent risking data corruption or doing without certain things that need not be portable |
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| 13:25.16 | bob2 | Esaj: flash devices have a limited number of write cycles before a "sector" stops working at all |
| 13:25.20 | jm_ | it's not strange, it means you didn't read DotFiles section in the FAQ |
| 13:25.42 | Esaj | bob2: ah, ok |
| 13:25.49 | nvz | bob2: is this a fact? happens like clockwork? |
| 13:25.56 | Esaj | bob2: maybe I should store my "portable" stuff on a server and rsync instead |
| 13:25.56 | TBBle | cadu: 'locale' is the command to view what your actual effective locale settings are. |
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| 13:26.22 | bob2 | Esaj: that number should be very high, but some sectors (e.g. the superblock) get written to more than others |
| 13:26.23 | rindolf | bob2: it should overwrite the file. |
| 13:26.23 | nvz | I didn't know they had a life-span either.. I just know if they arent unmounted you will surely loose data.. this presents a problem with mounting one to /home |
| 13:26.27 | J_P | JohnnyST: hey! |
| 13:26.28 | bob2 | maybe that's a shit example |
| 13:26.40 | rindolf | bob2: and it is a possible scenario if you have aliased cp |
| 13:26.46 | bob2 | rindolf: -i means "ASK ME BEFORE DOING BAD THINGS" |
| 13:26.47 | cadu | TBBle: all LC_* = pt_BR |
| 13:26.51 | bob2 | rindolf: yes, aliasing cp is bad |
| 13:26.53 | nvz | s/loose/lose/ |
| 13:27.03 | rindolf | bob2: no it's not. |
| 13:27.03 | jm_ | nvz: it is known - so it's annoying when your storage device using fat dies because some parts are updated very often, while others don't get updates or it's rare |
| 13:27.07 | nvz | I just hate when I have loose data |
| 13:27.09 | nvz | heh |
| 13:27.10 | cadu | TBBle: do i have to install additional packs for gimp being in portuguese or bash or binutils etc ? |
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| 13:27.17 | bob2 | nvz: not like clockwork, but there are limits |
| 13:27.23 | rindolf | bob2: I know what -i does. |
| 13:27.30 | TBBle | cadu: Then I'm defeated. LC_MESSAGES controls your error message output. Is the locale you're trying to use _generated_? |
| 13:27.32 | ElllisD | x wont start because somehow my drive became a read-only filesystem.... how do i fix it? |
| 13:27.37 | bob2 | nvz: there was a report on lkml of a guy who mounted a flash disk with the "sync" option and trashed it in like a week |
| 13:27.46 | TBBle | cadu: I don't know, I don't speak Portuguese. |
| 13:27.51 | bob2 | Esaj: I'd go with rsync, personally...plus it gives you backups for free ;) |
| 13:27.53 | bob2 | rindolf: ok |
| 13:27.59 | rindolf | bob2: in any case, the expected behaviour of GNU cp is that -f that follows -i over-rides it. |
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| 13:28.05 | cadu | TBBle: yeah, i've generated en_US and pt_BR |
| 13:28.05 | necrite | hi all |
| 13:28.06 | cadu | :-) |
| 13:28.10 | TBBle | You can load certain file systems onto flash devices which try to spread the writes, and if you turn off... atime? You can get longer out of a fs on the flash device. |
| 13:28.14 | rindolf | bob2: but it doesn't on my system today. |
| 13:28.16 | Eulex | cadu, ask the debian channel of your language |
| 13:28.32 | jharrisonwk | anyone have any ideas on 64bit XEON 3.0Ghz with 2MB cache vs. Opteron? |
| 13:28.34 | TBBle | cadu: OK. strace your program, and see if it loads the .mo file from the right directory. |
| 13:28.39 | greycat | TBBle: yes, "noatime" is a mount option |
| 13:28.45 | bob2 | rindolf: that sems like silly behaviour, but ok |
| 13:28.45 | TBBle | jharrisonwk: Buy boht, and give me the slwoer? |
| 13:28.55 | bob2 | rindolf: woody's sysutils is like a bajillion years old, tho |
| 13:28.57 | jharrisonwk | any benchmarks, or other thoughts on which performs better etc... |
| 13:29.04 | TBBle | greycat: Thanks. |
| 13:29.14 | jm_ | you can find benchmarks on the net |
| 13:29.15 | rindolf | bob2: it's fileutils actually. |
| 13:29.29 | rindolf | bob2: and I remember this behaviour on ancient RedHat systems (pre-6.2) |
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| 13:29.40 | cadu | ok , i'll search further , thanks |
| 13:30.21 | necrite | any idea about this ipsec error 2005-07-07 10:22:27: WARNING: the expire message is received but the handler has not been established. |
| 13:30.22 | necrite | 2005-07-07 10:22:27: ERROR: 200.0.0.0 give up to get IPsec-SA due to time up to wait. |
| 13:30.25 | Dz-Denniske | i've upgraded my kernel 2.4 tot 2.6 on a dell poweredge 650 but i get this error on booting new kernel "not syncing attempted to kill init" Can anyone give a hint were start searching ? |
| 13:30.27 | jharrisonwk | jm_: yes I have already but I wondered if anyone had real world experience |
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| 13:30.41 | jm_ | jharrisonwk: the people making benchmarks do :D |
| 13:30.48 | bob2 | Dz-Denniske: Debian kernels? |
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| 13:30.54 | Dz-Denniske | yes |
| 13:31.05 | Dz-Denniske | self compiled |
| 13:31.11 | bob2 | so, you mean "no" |
| 13:31.18 | bob2 | try a Debian kernel and see if it works |
| 13:31.34 | Dz-Denniske | i yust need a highmem kernel |
| 13:31.40 | jm_ | hah |
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| 13:31.55 | bob2 | don't the Debian -686 kernels include HIGHMEM? |
| 13:32.09 | TBBle | necrite: Try openswan if you're using openswan? |
| 13:32.13 | Dz-Denniske | the standard 2.4 kernel doesn't |
| 13:32.14 | TBBle | necrite: #openswan I mean. |
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| 13:32.17 | Eulex | Dz-Denniske, "not syncing attempted to kill init" tells the effect of what gone wrong, it doesn't tell anything about what actually did go wrong |
| 13:32.23 | necrite | ok |
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| 13:32.47 | Eulex | bob2, stock 2.6.11 doesn't have highmem either afaik |
| 13:33.05 | jm_ | I think someone asked about it last week (or two weeks ago) and it turned out it's not enabled |
| 13:33.06 | Dz-Denniske | Eulex can i find an bootlog of my kernel ? |
| 13:33.09 | jm_ | but I won't bet on it |
| 13:33.33 | gentgeen__ | I need a little help setting up my gamepad -- when I 'modprobe' by hand no problem, but when I use 'modconf' so it works at boot, it does not work |
| 13:33.48 | jm_ | gentgeen__: man modules |
| 13:33.48 | Dz-Denniske | autoload that module |
| 13:33.51 | nvz | someone needs to teach lilo the difference between wallops, global notice, and slashdot worthy material |
| 13:33.51 | Eulex | jm_, I've got 1gb ram, and I missed 140mb when running on stock 2.6.11, so I think it's disabled |
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| 13:33.56 | drac | CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y, from 2.6.11.11 |
| 13:34.10 | jm_ | Eulex: I wouldn't worry about those 120M that you miss ;) |
| 13:34.24 | drac | err forget that. |
| 13:34.38 | Dz-Denniske | But can i add highmem without having to compile the kernel by meself ? |
| 13:34.40 | jm_ | drac: NOhighmem :) |
| 13:34.43 | gentgeen__ | jm_, tried that - the load, but the gamepad does not work |
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| 13:35.01 | nvz | he blurts random info just about as often as I do, but he does it across the whole network |
| 13:35.03 | lyniv | i'm trying to run sarge with the standard debian-kernel-image (with initrd) on a machine that requires the aacraid module to mount the root filesystem. sadly the module is not loaded during initrd, so the pivot_root after initrd fails with no root filesystem. is there any way to force this module being loaded? or any other ideas (besides compiling my own kernel)? |
| 13:35.11 | tincorrec | does anyone know what the hp proliant smart array kernel driver is called? |
| 13:35.17 | jm_ | gentgeen__: well you said it works if you load them manually, right? |
| 13:35.52 | gentgeen__ | right -- 'modprobe ns558 & modprobe analog map=gamepad' |
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| 13:35.59 | Eulex | Dz-Denniske, most common reason why you got that problem is that you forgot to compile drivers for your fs and ide/scsi controller into your kernel |
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| 13:36.03 | gentgeen__ | then jstest /dev/js0 shows the expected results |
| 13:36.03 | jm_ | gentgeen__: add the same to modules file ... |
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| 13:36.21 | gogo3or | how to telnet some domain and check that they have tsl or ssl |
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| 13:36.59 | vooduhal | Hey guys quick question. After sarge became stable, I'm no longer getting anything to upgrade via apt or any security patches. Am I missing something? |
| 13:37.03 | gentgeen__ | jm_, do I add the 'map=analog' part in /etc/modules or do I stick it somewhere else? |
| 13:37.06 | jm_ | lyniv: well you can try rebuilding initrd image by hand and add the modules you need |
| 13:37.18 | jm_ | gentgeen__: did you read man modules? it talks about this |
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| 13:37.25 | os2finn | hi all |
| 13:37.27 | vooduhal | My sources file looks like this: deb http://debian.catt.com/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 13:37.27 | vooduhal | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:37.31 | Dz-Denniske | Eulex i think i need to load that driver manual because i only can load that driver as a module |
| 13:37.47 | Dz-Denniske | but i can't find the module name |
| 13:37.50 | Belping-- | hey guys, i have a problem installing gnome on debian sarge |
| 13:38.01 | Belping-- | i have installed it |
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| 13:38.06 | Belping-- | but it won't start the x server |
| 13:38.16 | nvz | Belping--: its not suppose to, problem solved |
| 13:38.17 | tarzeau | Belping--: why should it |
| 13:38.23 | gentgeen__ | jm_, ya -- it said to put it in the file -- that is what I did before and things did not seem to work. I'll try again and see what happens :-) |
| 13:38.24 | tarzeau | next question |
| 13:38.26 | nvz | heh |
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| 13:38.34 | Belping-- | euhm, what command should i run to get in gnome then? |
| 13:38.41 | Dz-Denniske | so i can't find the module names of ServerWorks OSB4/CSB5/CSB6 chipsets support and Silicon Image chipset support |
| 13:38.41 | tarzeau | Belping--: startx |
| 13:38.42 | jm_ | gentgeen__: it also talks about module parameters |
| 13:38.43 | tarzeau | Belping--: or install wdm |
| 13:38.44 | Eulex | Dz-Denniske, you need to compile it into the kernel, that is, it should not be compiled as a module -- or maybe you could create an intrd |
| 13:38.44 | lyniv | jm_: thanks, but that's what i am trying to avoid |
| 13:38.53 | Eulex | Belping--, have you installed X? |
| 13:38.53 | nvz | Belping--: maybe you should install gdm the gnome display manager |
| 13:38.58 | jm_ | lyniv: well you can't avoid it if it's screwed now |
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| 13:39.07 | Belping-- | ah do i have to install x seperately? |
| 13:39.13 | c_k | Hi all |
| 13:39.18 | Belping-- | i thought it would be automatically installed together with gnome? |
| 13:39.19 | Eulex | Belping--, apt-get install x-window-system |
| 13:39.26 | PerfDave | Belping--: You don't need X to run Gnome. |
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| 13:39.36 | PerfDave | Belping--: The easiest thing to do is install gdm, if you must run Gnome. |
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| 13:39.43 | Belping-- | ok thanks eulex |
| 13:39.43 | lyniv | jm_: thanks anyways - though i won't give up this fast ;) |
| 13:39.57 | Belping-- | PerfDave: apt-get install gdm? |
| 13:40.02 | PerfDave | Belping--: Probably ;) |
| 13:40.08 | gogo3or | how have tls on server |
| 13:40.08 | gentgeen__ | Well, time for a reboot and see if this works |
| 13:40.10 | gogo3or | smtp |
| 13:40.11 | Belping-- | PerfDave: sorry i'm new :) |
| 13:40.14 | Eulex | PerfDave, eh? you mean he doesn't need xdm? cos running gnome without x is very hard :) |
| 13:40.30 | mwh_ | hello, everybody, I have recently moved from fedora core 3 to debian for my dhcp, ssh, samba and nfs server .. now im trying to setup up each server and I need some help with the dhcp part |
| 13:40.39 | PerfDave | Eulex: What's xdm got to do with it? |
| 13:40.44 | tarzeau | Eulex: but you can run it somewhere else? |
| 13:40.50 | mwh_ | I copied my old dhcpd configuration file but I cant seem to get debian dhcpd to eat it |
| 13:40.54 | mwh_ | I have two nics |
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| 13:41.03 | PerfDave | Eulex: Installing gdm or any other dm will install x as well, plus give a graphical login which people seem to like. |
| 13:41.03 | mwh_ | I only want to have dhcpd to run on one of them |
| 13:41.08 | os2finn | is it possible to install Debian following way:1. Make hd image 2. unpack base.tar.gz there 3. boot from it? |
| 13:41.09 | mwh_ | I get the following err |
| 13:41.17 | greycat | !depends xdm sarge |
| 13:41.28 | mwh_ | when running /etc/init.d/dhcp restart |
| 13:41.29 | Eulex | PerfDave, yeah |
| 13:41.31 | jm_ | os2finn: read Installation manual, debootstrap part |
| 13:41.32 | dpkg | xdm: depends on xfree86-common, debconf (>= 1.2.9), xbase-clients, cpp, libpam-modules, libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-13.1), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libpam0g (>= 0.76), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxaw7 (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxmu6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxpm4 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxt6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 |
| 13:41.33 | Eulex | tarzeau, eh? |
| 13:41.35 | Dz-Denniske | Eulex thanks for helping , i will try to compile my kernel again this evening |
| 13:41.40 | mwh_ | Starting DHCP server: dhcpd failed to start - check syslog for diagnostics. |
| 13:41.42 | TBBle | bob2: -rw-r--r-- 1 tbble tbble 0 2005-07-07 23:41 ⁄ |
| 13:41.44 | mwh_ | when I check the log |
| 13:41.46 | mwh_ | I get |
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| 13:41.50 | tarzeau | Eulex: i can run an x server where i am, and x clients from home |
| 13:41.50 | TBBle | bob2: Can I have my beer now? |
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| 13:41.51 | PerfDave | !tell mwh_ -about enter |
| 13:41.53 | greycat | I don't see xserver-xfree86 listed there. |
| 13:41.59 | bob2 | TBBle: haha |
| 13:41.59 | tarzeau | Eulex: on two different computers |
| 13:42.00 | Eulex | Dz-Denniske, checking the output of lspci is a good way of checking what ide/scsi driver you need |
| 13:42.04 | greycat | so, installing xdm does NOT install X. |
| 13:42.05 | bob2 | TBBle: come to Toast tommorow |
| 13:42.11 | jm_ | mwh_: so check your logs ... |
| 13:42.17 | mwh_ | No subnet declaration for eth0 (80.208.187.82). |
| 13:42.21 | mwh_ | jm_, I did |
| 13:42.29 | PerfDave | mwh_: Change the initscript, tell it what interfaces to listen on. |
| 13:42.30 | jm_ | mwh_: it tells you what is wrong |
| 13:42.31 | Eulex | tarzeau, yeah, that's possible, I was assuming server and client on the same computer |
| 13:42.32 | mwh_ | so naturally there is no subnet declaration for that net |
| 13:42.34 | greycat | mwh_: configure it properly. |
| 13:42.41 | mwh_ | PerfDave, okay |
| 13:42.51 | mwh_ | PerfDave, so I have to change the initscript ... |
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| 13:43.14 | PerfDave | mwh_: That's what I said. Can you *please* stop hitting return every three words? It's making it damn difficult to follow what you're saying. |
| 13:43.19 | mwh_ | I use debian 3.1 and I guess it is a bit older dhcpd wise than fedora since I have to change the init script |
| 13:43.32 | mwh_ | PerfDave, Ill try ... sorry |
| 13:43.46 | PerfDave | mwh_: Uhm, no. That's standard ISC DHCPD behaviour. |
| 13:43.49 | jm_ | mwh_: not really, but it might have picked a different interface in your FC install |
| 13:43.52 | cadu | PerfDave: don't be so Perfect,Dave |
| 13:43.57 | cadu | :) |
| 13:44.08 | os2finn | jm_: I am making an installed basic system image to work under Qemu-PPc |
| 13:44.17 | gogo3or | how to check using telnet that i have ssl smtp? |
| 13:44.28 | os2finn | jm_: so "regular" installation is not possible |
| 13:44.29 | gogo3or | telnet dost 25 and looking for what/ |
| 13:44.30 | tarzeau | gogo3or: connect to the ssl smtp port? |
| 13:44.35 | jm_ | os2finn: it is possible |
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| 13:44.54 | greycat | port 25 won't be encrypted by default. |
| 13:44.57 | Dz-Denniske | oke i will do my best next try Eulex |
| 13:44.58 | greycat | or it had *better* not be. |
| 13:45.10 | mwh_ | jm_, in my dhcpd.conf I declare which interfaces that dhcpd should broadcast on .. im not sure why in debian I have to do more ... in lfs I have the same thing .. I dont have to specify any perticular interfaces |
| 13:45.18 | gogo3or | greycat: but with port? |
| 13:45.23 | TBBle | bob2: http://www.tbble.net/bobtest/ (Since I just realised I'm possibly in SJIS and just sent a plain /) |
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| 13:45.50 | jm_ | mwh_: well you can compare initscripts for both and see how it runs |
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| 13:45.55 | nine99 | hippie, sorry for being OT: can anybody here read Arabic Language? |
| 13:46.08 | greycat | turn off autonickcomplete. it is evil. |
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| 13:46.22 | nine99 | you are right, sorry |
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| 13:46.36 | tincorrec | does anyone know what the hp proliant smart array 6i kernel driver is called? |
| 13:46.50 | tarzeau | nine99: #arabeyes |
| 13:46.59 | mwh_ | jm_, I dont think it has anything to do with the initscripts .. it has someting to do with how dhcpd interprets the config file .. like in fedora and lfs, it just configures the networks which is present in the file ... |
| 13:47.01 | tarzeau | tincorrec: no. stop repeating |
| 13:47.01 | bob2 | TBBle: hah, cheater |
| 13:47.17 | nine99 | tarzeau, is it on FreeNode? |
| 13:47.24 | tarzeau | nine99: yes |
| 13:47.30 | nine99 | thanks |
| 13:47.34 | Eulex | tincorrec, ask hp |
| 13:47.37 | nine99 | goodbye all |
| 13:47.40 | jm_ | mwh_: no, AFAIR there's an option to tell it about which interface to use, that goes into init script, or is at least read from somewhere in the init script ... |
| 13:47.47 | Eulex | tincorrec, sorry, read you wrong |
| 13:47.49 | TBBle | bob2: And the worst thing is, that character is _legal_ in IDN, even though '/'. isn't. |
| 13:47.50 | WhiteNinja | hello... wanted to install gmc... looked into apt-cache but only hint, maybe in another package... anyone knows which one ? (gmc = grafical midnight-commander, gnome) |
| 13:48.11 | abrotman | tincorrec: google had no idea ? |
| 13:48.18 | bob2 | TBBle: hah, nice |
| 13:48.18 | godzirra | Anyone here know much about devfs and getting alsa to work with it? I'm having trouble. |
| 13:48.40 | bob2 | WhiteNinja: gmc probably doesn't exist in sarge |
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| 13:48.55 | abrotman | WhiteNinja: xfe might suit you |
| 13:49.08 | WhiteNinja | thx to both of you |
| 13:49.09 | bob2 | TBBle: all the chars in the "identical" list there are distinguishable side-by-side, fwiw |
| 13:49.21 | bob2 | tho I'd not notice if they were used solo |
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| 13:50.46 | tarzeau | godzirra: certainly nobody here know how to read mind |
| 13:50.56 | TBBle | bob2: True, not in whatever font I'm using for this termina, mind you. They're obvious in proportional fonts, not so much in monospaced. |
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| 13:51.08 | bob2 | TBBle: ah |
| 13:51.33 | godzirra | Hrm. So can anyone help me figure out why devfsd.conf isnt apparently being used? I think it may be because devfs is loaded by the kernel (not mounted by /linuxrc) but I'm not sure. None of the old devices appear until I modprobe sound, and then when they appear and I try to use them, it tells me no such device. |
| 13:51.49 | godzirra | tarzeau: thats the problem. I'm trying to boot a medialess system and it boots fine, the devfs things are just throwing me for a loop. |
| 13:51.53 | TBBle | bob2: "ls: ⁄/: No such file or directory" |
| 13:52.07 | bob2 | godzirra: is devfsd itself running? |
| 13:52.20 | tarzeau | anyone builds his own debian kernels of linux 2.4.31 or 2.6.12.2 making all modular on i386? |
| 13:52.30 | bob2 | godzirra: (and you know that devfsd is deprecated, right?) |
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| 13:53.11 | godzirra | bob2: No, actually I didnt... |
| 13:53.17 | godzirra | bob2: what should I be using instead? |
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| 13:53.30 | bob2 | godzirra: udev is where the world is heading |
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| 13:53.43 | godzirra | Hrm. darnit. |
| 13:53.58 | godzirra | Ok.. assuming I can't easily change to udev... |
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| 13:54.10 | debian707 | hi |
| 13:54.18 | J_P | people, exist anyone disadvantage use SATA as PATA(change for compatible mode in setup) ? |
| 13:54.29 | TBBle | bob2: Oh, and I can't collect tomorrow, I have a meeting. >_< |
| 13:54.41 | bob2 | TBBle: ah well, some other time |
| 13:54.51 | debian707 | i can not startx , it say xdm is not the default interface.. |
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| 13:54.58 | S0n1 | hi |
| 13:55.02 | bob2 | godzirra: if you're using a stock 2.6 kernel, installing the "udev" package should be enough |
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| 13:55.11 | S0n1 | why sasl2 don't support cript ? |
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| 13:55.28 | S0n1 | i need compile cyrus-sasl with pacth support cript ? |
| 13:55.41 | debian707 | how can i config x again? :/ |
| 13:55.50 | Guerin | !drxx debian707 |
| 13:55.51 | dpkg | debian707: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 13:56.04 | debian707 | ok :) |
| 13:56.05 | Mage\work | vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:56.19 | Guerin | S0n1: debian sasl2 does support crypt |
| 13:56.30 | Guerin | Mage\work: bad advice. |
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| 13:56.32 | gentgeen__ | I think analog.ko is being loaded by hotplug, but not sure. 1. How can I check? 2. Where do I disable it if it is? |
| 13:56.41 | greycat | !blacklist |
| 13:56.43 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
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| 13:56.51 | godzirra | bob2: well, thje problem is that since its a diskless system, it tftpboots. And the bzImage file loads devfs... would I have to recompile the kernel in that case? |
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| 13:57.07 | bob2 | godzirra: you can pass the command line option "devfs=nomount" |
| 13:57.09 | gentgeen__ | greycat, thanks |
| 13:57.10 | godzirra | bob2: and the kernel doesnt have apt-get or any of those things installed on it since its a tiny boot image. |
| 13:57.12 | bob2 | godzirra: I'm not sure what it would break |
| 13:57.13 | godzirra | didnt know that.l |
| 13:57.15 | godzirra | ahh, ok. |
| 13:57.26 | bob2 | I think it'd be ok |
| 13:57.28 | gogo3or | 250-ETRN |
| 13:57.29 | gogo3or | 250-AUTH LOGIN CRAM-MD5 |
| 13:57.29 | gogo3or | 250-8BITMIME |
| 13:57.29 | gogo3or | 250 SIZE 0 |
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| 13:57.47 | godzirra | Ok.. how do I nstall a package to a specific directory, so I can copy it into the initrd image? |
| 13:57.54 | greycat | godzirra: you don't. |
| 13:57.56 | S0n1 | Guerin : yep; sasl2-modules don't have support? |
| 13:58.06 | bob2 | godzirra: you'd use "dpkg-deb -x foo.deb /tmp" |
| 13:58.09 | greycat | godzirra: but you can copy anything you like once it's installed |
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| 13:58.21 | godzirra | greycat: I dont know what to copy once its installed... |
| 13:58.25 | godzirra | and I'd rather not miss something. |
| 13:58.30 | katabroc | I call a program on a bash script and I wanna kill it in the same bash script, but the problem is that the program do what it needs to do and locks itself, and then no more commands on the bash script are executed. what can I do to kill the program while he is executing? |
| 13:58.42 | greycat | katabroc: command & |
| 13:58.46 | gihad | Hey guys, I have a second harddrive (sda) with one partition called sda1 but I want it to be called sda3, What could I do ? |
| 13:58.53 | greycat | katabroc: PID=$! |
| 13:58.58 | greycat | katabroc: later, kill $PID |
| 13:59.01 | gogo3or | http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/?5953 this use ssl? |
| 13:59.03 | katabroc | greenfly, what PID does? |
| 13:59.11 | greycat | it's a *variable*. |
| 13:59.12 | katabroc | greycat, what PID does? |
| 13:59.35 | asuffield | it doesn't *do* anything |
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| 13:59.44 | katabroc | hmm |
| 13:59.45 | katabroc | i will try it |
| 13:59.48 | Guerin | !wayttd S0n1 |
| 13:59.48 | katabroc | thanks |
| 13:59.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, S0n1? |
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| 14:00.08 | gentgeen__ | gihad, why? what are you doing |
| 14:00.20 | S0n1 | Guerin : yep; but i use postfix+postgresql |
| 14:00.21 | gentgeen__ | sda says first drive, the #s tell the partition |
| 14:00.36 | J_P | people, I have one serious problem with mount SATA HD, I have this message : daniela:~# mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdc1/ |
| 14:00.37 | J_P | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.40 | Morti | I'm editing together a Debian Installer CD and I want a script to run after the installer has finished and before the system is rebooted. How do I do that? |
| 14:00.57 | J_P | all my HDs are SATA |
| 14:01.00 | Guerin | S0n1: to use crypted passwords (at least with mysql - i presume pgsql is the same) is tricky |
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| 14:01.14 | sohn_ | Morti: look at preseeding |
| 14:01.16 | xR | [18:11] <iostream> xR: apt-get -f install |
| 14:01.19 | xR | this didnt work for me |
| 14:01.32 | xR | trying to fix a package depency problem with apt-get |
| 14:01.40 | xR | anyone around had similar troubles? |
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| 14:02.03 | Guerin | S0n1: you need to go mua -> imapd/popd -> saslauthd -> pam -> sql -> saslauthd -> mua, or something similar |
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| 14:02.22 | Guerin | S0n1: high5.net/howto contains a discussion of it,, iirc. |
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| 14:02.41 | Guerin | xR: put output on a httpd |
| 14:02.47 | Morti | sohn_: I'm confused. I'm reading http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerPreseed and it's not helping much. |
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| 14:02.55 | xR | i can't copy the buffer? |
| 14:03.00 | xR | the box has nothing |
| 14:03.08 | Guerin | xR: what? |
| 14:03.11 | xR | everything i try apt-get don't work |
| 14:03.19 | xR | has package dependency errors |
| 14:03.21 | prodope | i just installed a custom kernel, as well as updated the ssh packages with apt-get upgrade (unstable)... when i log in via ssh, the motd is no longer displayed - is this normal? |
| 14:03.27 | greycat | xR: paste the whole error onto a web page. |
| 14:03.28 | xR | even the deselect upgrade |
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| 14:03.31 | Guerin | xR: i don't care how you do it, just get the damn output on a httpd someplace we can see what the problem is. |
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| 14:04.10 | gihad | Another one, I bought 1 giga of ram, and GNU/Debian only detects sometimes 7XX and sometimes 8XX, what? the problem ? |
| 14:04.27 | Guerin | gihad: compile hihgmem into the kernel |
| 14:04.45 | greycat | yet another case of linux kernel stupidity |
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| 14:05.16 | gihad | Guerin, I would like to avoid recompiling it, is this the only option ? |
| 14:05.34 | Guerin | gihad: it's in debian's 2.6.11-1 kernel by default (in etch or sid) |
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| 14:05.46 | xR | ok ill just go hand write it all down |
| 14:05.51 | bam | omg, i removed mailman and now the smtp server isn't working (postfix). anybody know anything about this? |
| 14:06.01 | xR | for every single package there is |
| 14:06.02 | xR | :D |
| 14:06.07 | xR | giv me a few days guys |
| 14:06.10 | xR | lol |
| 14:06.14 | Guerin | xR: why? |
| 14:06.27 | xR | coz like i said EVERYTHING has the same error |
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| 14:06.34 | xR | "dependency" |
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| 14:06.50 | greycat | xR: are you retarded too? |
| 14:07.02 | greycat | xR: use a mouse and cut-and-paste it. or use screen. or script. |
| 14:07.10 | Guerin | xR: apt-get -f install 2>&1 > apterror; then paste that file into a web browser |
| 14:07.16 | Guerin | it's not fucking rocket science |
| 14:07.17 | greycat | or even that! |
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| 14:07.23 | Guerin | !tell xR about paster |
| 14:07.27 | greycat | (but you want >apterror 2>&1) |
| 14:07.28 | xR | theres no web browser? |
| 14:07.45 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 14:07.46 | xR | its a bare system |
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| 14:07.51 | xR | floppy instal |
| 14:08.14 | Guerin | xR: got no other system? can't copy it to another box? |
| 14:08.17 | xR | cheers for that info Guerin |
| 14:08.18 | greycat | how the hell does a "bare system" "floppy instal" have dselect on it? |
| 14:08.27 | godzirra | lol |
| 14:08.29 | xR | i can't get the output off the box |
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| 14:08.31 | ilf | my usb-stick isn't auto-mounted any more. no /dev/sd* exists. usb-port for my mouse works though. o_O any idea? |
| 14:08.58 | tralala | xR: if you have a working floppy drive with a good floppy disk you can |
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| 14:09.04 | xR | ah |
| 14:09.07 | gentgeen__ | made sure that analog.ko was not loaded by hotplug/discovery -- then added 'analog map=gamepad' and 'ns558' to my /etc/modules |
| 14:09.08 | xR | neva thort of that |
| 14:09.13 | Guerin | xR: ... |
| 14:09.18 | xR | ahhahha |
| 14:09.27 | nemo | say, has anyone setup raid on sata drives under sarge? It looks like it tries ti initialise the raid before it finds the sata drives - and thus fails... |
| 14:09.27 | tralala | like dd if=apterror of=/dev/fd0 count=<byte_size_of_apterror> |
| 14:09.31 | gentgeen__ | now jstest shows the devices, but no response from pressing buttons |
| 14:09.48 | greycat | or is dselect part of the floppy-install base system? |
| 14:09.56 | Guerin | greycat: i think this might be a case of MSU |
| 14:10.06 | xR | its just a set of debian floppys ive been using for a few years |
| 14:10.09 | xR | diff client machines |
| 14:10.13 | xR | never had any sort of prob with apt-get ever |
| 14:10.17 | greycat | hmm... priority required, section base |
| 14:10.25 | J_P | anyone can help me about what is problem for me mount my sata hd ? |
| 14:10.26 | xR | today was 1st box ever |
| 14:10.29 | xR | tried 2 other machines |
| 14:10.34 | xR | both had same apt-get error |
| 14:10.41 | xR | fixed by a change to apt.conf |
| 14:11.13 | greycat | you've been using it for *years*?? |
| 14:11.15 | xR | now it gets all these crazy install/remove/upgrade/deselect-upgrade/dist-upgrade errors |
| 14:11.18 | prodope | i updated ssh via apt-get update/upgrade, and /etc/motd is no longer shown when i log in via ssh... what file controls wether /etc/motd is displayed when logging in with ssh or not? |
| 14:11.22 | greycat | just how old IS this install image? |
| 14:11.23 | xR | yeh its n old set of floppies |
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| 14:11.26 | xR | thats why i apt-get heh |
| 14:11.31 | xR | 2001 |
| 14:11.31 | prodope | i'm using unstable, btw |
| 14:11.32 | xR | LOL |
| 14:11.37 | Guerin | break out and get a sarge installcd |
| 14:11.37 | asg | prodope: have you checked the bts |
| 14:11.37 | greycat | !d-i xR |
| 14:11.38 | dpkg | xR, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:11.41 | xR | 2.2.19 woody |
| 14:11.48 | xR | heh |
| 14:11.56 | greycat | a woody floppy image that says "stable", no doubt. |
| 14:12.01 | greycat | and then tries to grab sarge stuff |
| 14:12.08 | greycat | because woody is no longer "stable" |
| 14:12.15 | xR | yeh |
| 14:12.20 | xR | thats why upgrade to sarge |
| 14:12.23 | xR | duhhh |
| 14:12.24 | greycat | time to retire it. |
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| 14:12.29 | Guerin | i had that problem when using an old d-i daily |
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| 14:12.40 | xR | yeh if i can't sort this problem out might download an iso |
| 14:12.50 | xR | brb fellas i'll just grab some output |
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| 14:13.02 | prodope | asg: yeah, i couldn't find anything pertaining to my problem |
| 14:13.17 | tralala | xR: replace "stable" with "woody" in your sources.list |
| 14:13.25 | asg | prodope: grep -r motd /etc/init.d |
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| 14:14.01 | xR | tralala: is that sarcasm or might that actually help? |
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| 14:14.11 | asg | prodope: also, see if the changelog or config files were updated and, if so, whether they indicate why motd was fiddled with. |
| 14:14.18 | tralala | xR: it is *not* sarcasm |
| 14:14.25 | tralala | woody != stable |
| 14:14.25 | Morti | I'm still having trouble finding where to add a script to run from the Debian Installer CD. |
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| 14:16.26 | greycat | Morti: ask #debian-boot |
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| 14:19.28 | elirips | euhm, just to be sure: i would like to remove all hidden files and directories in my homefolder, if i do a 'rm -R .*' and a 'rm .*' that should work and remove only things starting with a '.', not? |
| 14:19.28 | abyss | how i can remove all of a packet inclusive config and temp files? |
| 14:19.29 | andre_m | my usb-stick isn't auto-mounted any more. no /dev/sd* exists. usb-port for my mouse works though. o_O any idea? |
| 14:19.59 | asg | abyss: apt-get remove --purge, dpkg -P |
| 14:20.02 | greycat | abyss: --purge |
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| 14:22.13 | TBBle | elirips: You don't want to do that.... |
| 14:22.29 | sgeigerbot | elirips: do a backup first... What you are planning to do sounds very dumb. |
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| 14:23.14 | Eulex | Morti, #debian-boot is for devs -- though I dunno how 'devvy' your question is |
| 14:23.25 | Eulex | elirips, why? |
| 14:23.27 | TBBle | elirips: I highly recommend you practice with ls until you're sure you're deleting only what you want, and not... just as an example... everything you hold precious. |
| 14:23.42 | Morti | Eulex: I dunno, they seem to be fairly helpful. :) |
| 14:24.07 | Eulex | Morti, ok |
| 14:24.16 | TBBle | prodope: There's a bugreport that pertains to your problem, on openssh-server. |
| 14:24.35 | queuetue | Hi. This is off-topic, but I think the right audience for the question: Is it immoral to seek a way to make a downloaded report time-sensitive through some kind of light DRM? (In other words, some content costs .20 USD to download, and can be easily enjoyed and shared for a week or so before it locks itself up.) Does it matter if we do not back it up with any sort of legal protections? (If you crack it, then we will not chase, prosec |
| 14:24.35 | queuetue | ute or punish you...) |
| 14:25.00 | elirips | sgeigerbot: i want to reinstall my system, as currently it is a mix between sarge, and sid, and i would like to get rid of all those configs that are still saved in my homedir, so i can start fresh |
| 14:25.32 | TBBle | queuetue: I'm not sure #debian is the right place to ask morality questions, somehow. |
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| 14:26.04 | Eulex | queuetue, linux is free software, so I don't even think it's "the right audience for the question" |
| 14:26.13 | nemo | has nobody else tried to setup a sata raid1 under sarge? (not for /, just for /home) |
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| 14:26.28 | TBBle | elirips: Move your home directory out of the way, and copy back the things you want? |
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| 14:26.47 | Eulex | !anyone |
| 14:26.47 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 14:26.58 | caoilte | hi. just upgraded a server to sarge. mostly went okay, but squirrelmail has stopped being able to connect to imap server (uw-imapd). can anyone give any advice on how i find out if the imap is even working (port 143 is refusing telnet connections) |
| 14:27.01 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 14:27.01 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:27.07 | queuetue | TBBle, I thought it would be a good place, given that the Debian team has always acted with integrity... If this seems like an improper thing, I don't even want to suggest it to the higher-ups who may not have such compunction. |
| 14:27.10 | abyss | after upgrading to sid my apache2 is not working even not if i remove apache2,php4 with purge and delete by hand the conf file and var/run/apa... ! |
| 14:27.11 | abyss | touch: kann ,,/etc/apache2/httpd.conf" nicht berhren: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 14:27.20 | asg | caoilte: then it probably isn't working. Start looking at /var/log/mail* |
| 14:27.20 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 14:27.20 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 14:27.29 | tarzeau | !topicbadger abyss |
| 14:27.30 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that abyss didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 14:27.50 | elirips | TBBle: mmhh. i have only one harddisk in the laptop, the homedir is on a partition, and i cant save those things somewhere (except burning 25 cds, what i'dd prefer to avoid). cant i just remove the conf-files, reinstall, and then remount my homedir again, and chown/chgrp everything to me again? |
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| 14:28.11 | TBBle | queuetue: Maybe, but I'm not #debian is actually the Debian team. If you wanted to talk to that group, debian-devel mailiing list would be a better place. But I don't fancy your chances there either. Morality is somewhat more personal and context-sensitive than can be answered usefulll ona mailling list. |
| 14:28.13 | Eulex | queuetue, most people here aren't from the "debian team" |
| 14:28.21 | greycat | queuetue: obviously such a license would NOT qualify as Free Software. So it's really not something most #debian users would care for. |
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| 14:28.46 | katabroc | greycat, hi, i did the PID thing and it worked ok. but I looked in google and couldnt find what that pid does that it allows u to keep executing other lines in the bash script... |
| 14:28.49 | queuetue | Ok, sorry to go offtopic. |
| 14:28.51 | xR | mmmmmm |
| 14:28.51 | Eulex | queuetue, maybe #politics suits you better? |
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| 14:28.59 | greycat | katabroc: IT IS JUST A VARIABLE! |
| 14:29.01 | TBBle | elirips: as root: cd /home/; mv mydir mydir.old; mkdir mydir; chown -R me:me mydir |
| 14:29.04 | abyss | readed and now? no information is shown for apache problems or is the breakage overall? |
| 14:29.05 | TBBle | elirips: That takes up no space. |
| 14:29.05 | greycat | katabroc: I already SAID THAT. |
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| 14:29.09 | jethro | !sedate greycat |
| 14:29.09 | xR | that tralala guy solved my problem |
| 14:29.12 | greycat | And asuffield also said it doesn't *do* anything. |
| 14:29.14 | xR | putting woody in the sources.list |
| 14:29.15 | katabroc | greycat, ok... sorry |
| 14:29.16 | caoilte | asg: thanks. i grepped for imap in /var/log/mail and there was nothing. do you know where whether the service is running is configured? |
| 14:29.16 | queuetue | Eulex, I can get *that* anywhere. :) |
| 14:29.17 | nemo | hmm, I expected more smackdowns of 'hey, it works' than just apathy ;) |
| 14:29.26 | asg | caoilte: which imap? |
| 14:29.26 | xR | instead of stable |
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| 14:29.49 | tarzeau | !nickometer jujujuju |
| 14:29.49 | dpkg | 'jujujuju' is 0.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 14:30.09 | Ungy | !nickometer tarzeau |
| 14:30.22 | elirips | TBBle: and that will move away all my old conf-files? or am i totally wrong when i think that this old conf-files might mess up with my new installation? wont that happen anyway? |
| 14:30.28 | kbrooks | !nickometer katabroc |
| 14:30.32 | caoilte | asg: uw-imapd. |
| 14:30.37 | asg | caoilte: if it's *shudder* uw-imap, it's configured in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 14:30.48 | sep | !botabuse |
| 14:30.49 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 14:30.50 | asg | caoilte: make sure inetd is running (/etc/init.d/inetd start) |
| 14:30.52 | jujujuju | hi , little question about aptitude and dependencies management, concerning packages deps info , some packages are recommended and others suggested , what is the concrete difference in the 2 estimations ? |
| 14:31.02 | TBBle | elirips: That moves away everything. When you realised you want something, you can mv ../mydir.old . to get it back. In six months, when you _know_ what you don't want, you can delete mydir.old. |
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| 14:31.16 | os2finn | jm_: thanx for the tip |
| 14:31.34 | tarzeau | jujujuju: it's explained at www.debian.org/devel |
| 14:31.44 | TBBle | elirips: If you're willing to give up all your local dotfiles, and won't cry when you realise you deleted your ssh private key, then rm -r .* is a terrible idea. ls -r .* will show you why. |
| 14:32.12 | greycat | bah. deb(5) dead-ends with "SEE ALSO deb-old(5), dpkg-deb(1), deb-control(5), Debian Packaging Manual." |
| 14:32.14 | TBBle | elirips: If you're moving sarge -> etch, etch -> sid or sarge -> sid, your conffiles are fine to keep. |
| 14:32.15 | jujujuju | tarzeau, ok i look thx |
| 14:32.21 | caoilte | asg: gottit. not there for some reason. |
| 14:32.29 | TBBle | elirips: If you're moving the other way, you've got bigger problems than conffiles. |
| 14:32.41 | greycat | so I guess you get to guess how the fuck you are supposed to read a "Debian Packaging Manual" |
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| 14:32.48 | asg | caoilte: is there an /etc/default/uw-imap (or something in /etc/default/* that has imap in it.)? |
| 14:32.52 | TBBle | elirips: Unless you're upgrading wmii. Every second snap needs you to move your .wmii out of the way. |
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| 14:33.27 | greycat | but there's *some* useful info in deb-control(5) |
| 14:33.35 | greycat | that may be enough to satisfy your question |
| 14:33.37 | CyberPot | Hey guys. I just upgraded old stable (woody) to sarge, and erm.. I have a strange networking problem. The host is able to see pretty much any internet based host, however no internet hosts can see it, and also no hosts on the same subnet can talk to it. Running tcpdump I see "arp who-has blah tell blah" many times... seems arp isn't working ? It's not a firewalling issue I have the same rules.... also traceroute gives !9 which the manual s |
| 14:33.47 | Althaser | Jul 5 20:30:44 debian kernel: Inbound IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=*.*.*.* DST=*.*.*.* LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=126 ID=57329 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=2802 DPT=445 WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 how can i disable this messages ??? please |
| 14:33.53 | CyberPot | .. a bit of googling says this is Router Advertisment ICMP message. |
| 14:34.10 | asg | Althaser: stop logging iptables |
| 14:34.23 | Althaser | asg how ? |
| 14:34.26 | asg | Althaser: if you mean how to stop it from splattering my console, /msg dpkg klogd |
| 14:34.30 | CyberPot | Althaser: Disable them where? Totally ? Or just to your terminal ? Totally.. remove the -j LOG, .. to your terminal just change the log-level to 4. |
| 14:34.48 | tarzeau | Althaser: iptables -F |
| 14:34.49 | elirips | TBBle: well, thanks a lot for your help. i just would like to get a clean, sarge-only system (i dont care if my kde and so is not the newest), that i can configure once so everything runs fine. at the moment i have some mixture between sarge/etch/sid/self-compiled. so i thought re-installing sarge is easier than trying to remove everything that is not sarge. |
| 14:34.54 | Althaser | i'm using firestarter |
| 14:35.02 | tarzeau | Althaser: remove it :) |
| 14:35.02 | CyberPot | Althaser: Twisted Firestarter ? |
| 14:35.03 | caoilte | asg: no nothing. i just dpkg -c uw-imapd.deb and it's got nothing either. |
| 14:35.05 | Althaser | and want to disable from textmode only |
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| 14:35.16 | tarzeau | Althaser: i know a command to turn the screen black :) |
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| 14:35.31 | CyberPot | Anyone got any ideas why a box upgraded from woody to sarge (cleanly) would suddenly stop replying to arp requsts ? |
| 14:35.52 | TBBle | elirips: Ah, re-installing? Sorry, I missed that. In that case, play with ls until it removes what you want and only what you want, and then go ahead. But I personally would still vote for moving your home directory out of the way, and pulling things back as you need them. |
| 14:35.55 | tarzeau | someone seen the film? http://www.scifi.com/firestarter/mycharlie/img/c_img02.jpg |
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| 14:36.14 | Althaser | asg CyberPot tarzeau thanks :D |
| 14:36.29 | Althaser | but how can i disable them only in text-mode ? please |
| 14:36.35 | asg | caoilte: well, look in /usr/share/doc/uw-imapd and see if there are instructions on how to add the correct line back to inetd.conf. dpkg-reconfigure uw-imapd might also work |
| 14:36.47 | elirips | TBBle: yes, i will do it with the way of moving you mentioned. so i can move back first all the things i need and in case i miss something i still have it. |
| 14:36.52 | tarzeau | Althaser: 16:34 < asg> Althaser: stop logging iptables |
| 14:37.00 | tarzeau | Althaser: cyberpot told you |
| 14:37.00 | CyberPot | Althaser: you mean from the console ? well you need to change the log-level that iptables uses to debug instead of warn. |
| 14:37.23 | CyberPot | tarzeau: Dont suppose you know why arp is being a carp! ? |
| 14:38.02 | Althaser | CyberPot where can i change it ? please |
| 14:38.09 | caoilte | asg: tried all that before irc. i always come here as a last resort. worst comes to the worst i'll find an inetd.conf entry from somewhere else. |
| 14:38.27 | elirips | TBBle: well, sarge netinst-iso is burnt to a cd, hope to be back in here soon ;). thanks again for your help |
| 14:38.35 | CyberPot | Althaser: well you can either modify /var/lib/iptables/active directly and reload... or....... run iptables and use iptables-save |
| 14:38.54 | CyberPot | Althaser: I think it's a good idea if you read the man page to iptables. |
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| 14:39.04 | Althaser | CyberPot thanks a lot ;) |
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| 14:40.05 | Morti | If I mount an initrd image loopback stylee and edit its contents, I can just unmount it and the image will have changed, right? |
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| 14:40.13 | Morti | Or do I have to recreate it somehow? |
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| 14:40.39 | greycat | I think they're compressed |
| 14:40.44 | scorphus | how to unmark packages as upgradable (U) on patitude? |
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| 14:40.57 | Eulex | Morti, yes |
| 14:41.17 | Morti | greycat: I ungzip'd it before mounting it. |
| 14:41.24 | prodope | how would i go about searching for files on my system that have been modified within 10 days? |
| 14:41.24 | Morti | I expect I'd have to gzip it back up again. |
| 14:41.41 | sep | prodope, man find |
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| 14:42.04 | CyberPot | prodope: find -mtime -10 |
| 14:42.07 | asg | caoilte: ah, okay |
| 14:42.11 | CyberPot | prodope: (i think) |
| 14:42.28 | caoilte | asg: fixed it. i don't understand why postinst didn't put the line in. most frustrating |
| 14:42.37 | deepz | hey guys i want to block msn messenger through squid |
| 14:42.40 | Morti | Eulex: So I don't have to do anything or what do I have to do with it? |
| 14:42.43 | deepz | how do i do it |
| 14:42.50 | asg | caoilte: using sid or sarge? |
| 14:42.58 | greycat | deepz: ask #squid |
| 14:43.08 | caoilte | asg: woody --> sarge upgrade |
| 14:43.11 | Eulex | Morti, just umount it |
| 14:43.17 | TBBle | elirips: No wuckers ^_^ |
| 14:43.23 | asg | caoilte: *nod* |
| 14:43.27 | Morti | Eulex: Cool. Ta. |
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| 14:43.45 | CyberPot | what does " (incomplete) " in the output of arp mean ? |
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| 14:44.04 | TBBle | http://www.unicode.org/faq/utf_bom.html |
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| 14:44.27 | sep | CyberPot, that the ip address dont exsist on your network an arp have been tried and failed |
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| 14:45.22 | asg | caoilte: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=303612 |
| 14:45.28 | CyberPot | sep: well i knew that already.. tcpdump told me that no one was replying to the arp request.. questiomn is.. why would my ex woody box, on an upgrade to sarge suddenly stop replying to arp requests ? |
| 14:45.52 | CyberPot | sep: any ideas ? not even google is yielding any results. |
| 14:46.43 | sep | CyberPot, is the ip configured? ifconfig eth0 is it up ? is it firewalled ? |
| 14:47.00 | greycat | CyberPot: what kernel? |
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| 14:47.13 | sep | are the nic module loaded ? there could be many answers |
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| 14:47.37 | jujujuju | another question , when I type aptitude show unrar , i get the msg "State: not a real package", whereas if I search this package in aptitude there is no result , i don't really get it ? |
| 14:47.45 | CyberPot | sep: Yeah all those things have been checked. eth0 up and healthy, it's firewalled but icmp is allowed...i've run tcpdump on the actual machine and i can see the arp requests BUT my host doesn't reply. From the host i performed the ping i can see !H and !9 sometimes in traceroute. |
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| 14:47.54 | CyberPot | greycat: 2.4.-k6 |
| 14:48.05 | sep | jujujuju, search for rar there are more then 1 package |
| 14:48.21 | asterot | anybody can tell me how can i install on my debian package for slackware ? |
| 14:48.26 | CyberPot | on the host i did the ping from i see "(incomplete)" against the host in the arp cache. on the box that has the problem.... it can see ALL HOSTS just fine.. |
| 14:48.35 | razul | could anyone help me with the nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev packages in apt-get |
| 14:48.38 | javifs | CyberPot: does it work without the firewall enabled? |
| 14:48.43 | asterot | i tried installpkg |
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| 14:48.54 | caoilte | asg: heh. typical. thx. |
| 14:48.54 | CyberPot | i.e. ping www.google.co.uk works fine from the host that wont respond on the network. Perhaps its the kernel ? |
| 14:48.57 | asg | asterot: alien perhaps (ymmv and you get to keep both halves) |
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| 14:49.07 | asg | caoilte: yeah, no problem |
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| 14:49.08 | PoWeRKiLL | hi |
| 14:49.10 | javifs | CyberPot: ping will work fine if you ARP resolv your default router |
| 14:49.13 | sep | CyberPot, nothing in dmesg ? |
| 14:49.16 | PoWeRKiLL | Someone can help me with this ? dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl2_7.10.6-3_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 14:49.16 | PoWeRKiLL | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.25 | abyss | anyone knows if the problem with sid and apache can be resolved in anyway? |
| 14:49.29 | PoWeRKiLL | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 14:49.30 | sep | CyberPot, your ifconfig eth0 have ARP in the output ? |
| 14:50.03 | CyberPot | sep: lemme have a look |
| 14:50.21 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 14:50.21 | dpkg | methinks sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 14:50.40 | sep | CyberPot, sorry about that, that was not in ifconfig that's in ip command |
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| 14:51.40 | CyberPot | sep: nothing in dmesg |
| 14:52.09 | spo0nman | how to see the number of current connections to apache? |
| 14:52.14 | sep | CyberPot, in ifconfig you see a NOARP line if arp has been disabled you see nothing about ARP if it's functional |
| 14:52.15 | Morti | If I put chroot and bash into a script, will the rest of the script continue to run under chroot and bash? If not, how would I execute that? |
| 14:52.27 | CyberPot | This host can see any host, and every host cannot see it. Seems to be some arp problem but I cannot determine the cause. Just recently upgraded freom 2.4.17 (woody) to 2.4-k6 (sarge). everything went smoothly without hitch. |
| 14:52.40 | CyberPot | sep: Well ARP isn't mentioned. |
| 14:52.44 | sep | CyberPot, your host have a route to the local lan, and not only to the default gw ? |
| 14:52.48 | razul | Could someone help me i keep getting error message when i try to install nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev |
| 14:52.53 | CyberPot | sep: yes of course ;) |
| 14:52.54 | sep | route -n |
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| 14:53.05 | chris__ | CyberPot: arp -a -d on the other machines ? |
| 14:53.26 | CyberPot | The route to the local lan is added by default anyway since 2.2 no ? but yes there's a routing entry |
| 14:53.38 | darkness | Can a person who has been priviledged a shell account install eggdrop in their home dir and not be root? If so anyway to stop this? |
| 14:53.40 | sep | CyberPot, hmm very strange. your sure no other computer on your subnet have that same ip ? |
| 14:53.56 | CyberPot | chris__: I did arp -d blah, to remove the arp and try again. even tried rebooting the box in case its a switch problem. |
| 14:54.02 | sep | CyberPot, i know, but i'v experienced that the route have fallen out on an ocasion and it could couse such errors |
| 14:54.04 | rbochan | dark: part a: yes part b: possibly |
| 14:54.11 | JoshH | darkness: firewall would stop it |
| 14:54.14 | CyberPot | sep: Yeah very sure. Perhaps it's the switch on the network.. for whatever reason |
| 14:54.39 | CyberPot | however I see the arp request using tcpdump when im on the actual host.... so.. that doesn't seem to make sense, it cant be that |
| 14:54.42 | sep | CyberPot, should still see a arp reply from your box unless the switch mangles the arp requests somehow |
| 14:54.51 | CyberPot | I see the request and for some reason my host doesn't say "i got it" |
| 14:54.56 | sep | CyberPot, restart the switch anyway |
| 14:55.12 | sep | CyberPot, did you upgrade the kernel ? should you use a different nic module now ? |
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| 14:55.15 | darkness | What problems would someone using eggdrop likely cause? |
| 14:55.16 | chris__ | tcpdump on another computer, ping it from the 'upgraded' machine and verify everything is occuring right |
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| 14:55.55 | rbochan | darkness: lots of resource usage, potential exploits, yada yada |
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| 14:56.14 | rbochan | that, and tcl sucks |
| 14:56.15 | CyberPot | chris__: ok |
| 14:56.19 | JoshH | lol |
| 14:56.25 | S0n1 | somone use saslauth whith users in postgresql ? |
| 14:56.30 | JoshH | yes, tcl does suck. |
| 14:56.33 | deisler | hi2all |
| 14:56.33 | S0n1 | in debian.. |
| 14:56.47 | JoshH | there are other bots besides eggdrop though. |
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| 14:56.56 | rbochan | google could tell you |
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| 14:57.07 | spo0nman | how to see the number of current connections to port 80? |
| 14:57.11 | JoshH | just put a no irc bot policy in motd, have a decent firewall, and disable anyone who breaks the rules. |
| 14:57.14 | itom | do you know how conf to change for gdm start automatically with fluxbox? (without use the gdm) |
| 14:57.23 | spo0nman | something with netstat? |
| 14:58.05 | chris__ | spo0nman: netstat -apn | grep 80 will show you what apps are listening on 80 |
| 14:58.09 | greycat | itom: what? |
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| 14:58.41 | asg | chris__: and ones listening on 8080 |
| 14:58.42 | sep | darkness, an eggdrop is only a tool, it dosnt couse more troubble then a regular irc client, unless someone is abusing it. like any other tool |
| 14:58.42 | greycat | please, someone, tell me he doesn't mean he wants the system to BOOT straight into a user running fluxbox without having to login. |
| 14:58.42 | itom | greycat, with autologin of gdm start gnome; I search the .conf to change to start automatically with fluxbox |
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| 14:59.26 | rbochan | greycat: lol |
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| 14:59.37 | greycat | itom: select "Debian session" on the gdm menus and then put fluxbox in ~/.xsession |
| 14:59.38 | asg | !tell staN-GONE about away |
| 14:59.58 | CyberPot | chris__: i did a ping from the upgraded box to the gateway and it worked fine and the tcpdump showed an arp request and reply |
| 15:00.04 | gary | What device is a usb camera usually in debian? |
| 15:00.10 | greycat | or if you want things to be simpler, replace gdm with xdm, then put fluxbox in ~/.xsession |
| 15:00.20 | itom | greycat, I can't run X; I must made changes in console |
| 15:00.24 | tarzeau | gary: why do you need to know? |
| 15:00.25 | fish-z | #DOT |
| 15:00.30 | chris__ | CyberPot: hrm |
| 15:00.30 | tarzeau | gary: if you can just use camera.app ? |
| 15:00.33 | greycat | itom: now you make no sense. |
| 15:00.44 | greycat | you JUST SAID you got gnome when you logged in. |
| 15:00.45 | greycat | that's X. |
| 15:00.56 | chris__ | CyberPot: so tcpdump on another machine, not the upgraded machine nor gateway, and see if it gets proper arp etc. |
| 15:01.12 | itom | greycat, now I'm in console and work in a livecd environment with chroot |
| 15:01.26 | CyberPot | chris__: doesn't work the other wsay around. the upgraded host gets the arp request but sends no reply. in the arp cache on the otehr machine i get "incomplete". |
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| 15:01.32 | itom | greycat, by default start with gnome, but I want to start with fluxbox |
| 15:01.46 | CyberPot | chris__: in short, the upgraded host will not service arp requests. |
| 15:01.52 | chris__ | wow |
| 15:01.54 | Eulex | itom, checked th session settings? |
| 15:01.55 | gary | tarzeau: well i've just got a new and my first digital camera. I was going to access it as a storage device, copy the photos and use gimp to view them |
| 15:02.05 | CyberPot | (and i've even turned it off) |
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| 15:02.44 | Eulex | gary, switch to console, and plug it in and out |
| 15:02.50 | xR | greycat: dist-upgrade to sarge now |
| 15:02.50 | xR | :> |
| 15:02.51 | greycat | itom: I told you two answers already. |
| 15:02.53 | greycat | pick one. |
| 15:02.56 | sep | CyberPot, what card and module ? can you ping the computer that have the incompleate in arp ? |
| 15:03.06 | CyberPot | ok.. time to reset everything inbetween the two host. |
| 15:03.07 | sep | after you ping is it still incompleate ? |
| 15:03.31 | CyberPot | sep: RTL somesuch. Some D-Link thing. *but* lspci output *matched* nic kernel module. |
| 15:03.51 | CyberPot | sep: after i ping, no ping reply... and funny arp cache entry appears. |
| 15:04.03 | CyberPot | sep: a traceroute *did* show !9 but now it shows !H |
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| 15:04.25 | gary | Eulex: sorry, what do you mean by switch to console? You mean command line? |
| 15:04.25 | sep | CyberPot, i meant ping from the upgraded to the one with incompleate |
| 15:04.33 | CyberPot | sep: That works fine. |
| 15:05.10 | itom | Eulex, in the session settings? mean in /etc/gdm/Sessions? or /etc/dm? |
| 15:05.33 | itom | Eulex, I've googled and I don't found a valid solution for debian |
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| 15:05.46 | goku360 | is it possible to install debian without burning any cds if the cd ISOs are stored on a LVM partition |
| 15:05.55 | sep | CyberPot, sounds awfully like an missing lan route or a netmask/network/broadcast mismatch |
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| 15:07.01 | CyberPot | sep: that's not possible. both the machine im testing from and the acutal host are on the same network so if it's pinging one way and not the other its nothing to do with the routing |
| 15:07.15 | sep | CyberPot, after the ping do the oter comp now have and arp in the table ? |
| 15:07.32 | CyberPot | 192.168.1.1 talks to 192.168.1.2 *but* 192.168.1.2 wont talk to 192.168.1.1 |
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| 15:07.58 | CyberPot | sep: when i do .1 to .2 the arp entry goes correctly in .1 's arp cache. the other way around, no.. i get incomplete and no ping reply |
| 15:08.03 | sep | CyberPot, you can be tricked by icmp redirect, it's not guaranteed that you have it correct |
| 15:08.07 | razul | getting errors with nvidia drivers with apt-get could anyone help?? |
| 15:08.11 | CyberPot | all firewalling is disabled, and im using tcpdump to monitor |
| 15:08.23 | sep | razul, /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 15:08.45 | sep | razul, read especialy the bit about non-free sources |
| 15:08.53 | green_earz | CyberPot: are the sudnetmast the same and the broadcast ? |
| 15:09.01 | goku360 | unn could somebody please tell me if is is possible to install debian without burning any cds if the cd ISOs are stored on a LVM partition |
| 15:09.02 | CyberPot | green_earz: yes |
| 15:09.19 | goku360 | thanks |
| 15:09.27 | sep | CyberPot, it's not a dfe-530tx ? |
| 15:09.27 | Eulex | gary: CLI -- CTRL-ALT-F(1-6) |
| 15:10.11 | CyberPot | sep: a what ? |
| 15:10.22 | Eulex | itom, in the session settings selectable from within gdm I can select whether I want to run gnome, xfce etc... I think that applies to fluxbox too |
| 15:10.30 | sep | goku360, it's possible to install debian without burning any cd's you can boot from floppies, pxe, usb doa debootrsap install and other ways |
| 15:10.54 | CyberPot | I might try another kernel.. but it could have been any of the upgraded pacakges.. |
| 15:11.05 | sep | CyberPot, a dlink card that dont want to cooperate |
| 15:11.11 | CyberPot | the arp code is built into the kernel's tcp/ip stack right ? |
| 15:11.15 | sep | CyberPot, you have a kernel-image ofcouse ? |
| 15:11.26 | CyberPot | I might put it back to kernel-image-2.4.17 which i was on previously |
| 15:11.40 | gary | Eulex: i found this using dmesg: usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 |
| 15:11.49 | gary | Eulex: didn't say which device it would use though |
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| 15:11.55 | CyberPot | sep: yeah i decided to install the kernel image virtual package so that i could track security changes |
| 15:12.13 | itom | Eulex, I know this feature of GDM, but I can't run X server; I must change in console mode |
| 15:13.33 | nemo | is there a reason why the discover initscript doesn't run earlier in the boot process? |
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| 15:14.01 | Eulex | itom, then I dunno |
| 15:14.52 | Eulex | gary, fdisk -l /dev/sda ? |
| 15:15.21 | mickael | how do you access to a NTFS partition as a user ? |
| 15:15.21 | Eulex | nemo, why should it? and what's the problem? |
| 15:15.34 | Eulex | mickael, have you set the umask? |
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| 15:15.47 | gary | Eulex: nope, nothing. /dev/sda does not exist |
| 15:15.50 | xR | hey anyone know the exact package name of the latest 2.6 kernel for i386 |
| 15:15.52 | sep | itom, there is a update-alternatives --config x-session-manager but i dont know where that is used. |
| 15:15.52 | xR | ? |
| 15:15.56 | nemo | Eulex: it would seem usefull to know all the hardware in the machine as automatically as possible as early as possible, yes? |
| 15:15.59 | mickael | Eulex , no |
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| 15:16.05 | greycat | mickael: /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs |
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| 15:16.27 | piernik | does anybody know a webpage where I cold read about kernel compiling? I would like to have this options described |
| 15:16.38 | greycat | !custom kernel |
| 15:16.39 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 15:16.39 | nemo | Eulex: in my specific case, it was finding my sata drives after mdadm-raid had already failed to start my md0, becvause the sata wasn't yet known. |
| 15:16.46 | mickael | ok thank you |
| 15:17.08 | greycat | piernik: the options in the configuration menu are described when you press "?" on them. |
| 15:17.19 | greycat | piernik: that *IS* the documentation. That's why we don't suggest you do it. |
| 15:17.20 | nemo | Eulex: it turned out to be an easy fix - I dropped the relevant sata module into /etc/modules - but since there is autodetection there, it seems clumsy that I have to do it this way... |
| 15:17.30 | piernik | :) lol it's so simple? |
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| 15:17.39 | Roey | hello |
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| 15:17.45 | cire | I compiled kernel 2.6.12 from kernel.org. Booting works, but at a certain point, my display (laptop) is shut off and shows strange things. I can work, and logon to the machine, but I don't see anything, expect those... (german: Muster) strange things. Why could this be? |
| 15:17.47 | sep | nemo, use update-rc.d to move discover before mdadm , also you might think about putting your sata drivers into your initrd |
| 15:17.50 | nemo | (easy fix = frurstrating, cos it wasn't initially obvious what the problem was ;) |
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| 15:17.58 | Roey | "sara" (http://www-arc.com/sara) isn't in Debian; is there a reason for this? |
| 15:18.03 | razul | thx |
| 15:18.10 | bkv | i need to install ubuntu on a cdless machine and the guys over there said install woody via floppy, can anyone help me out with that? |
| 15:18.12 | Eulex | nemo, you can probably make it run earlier if you want... |
| 15:18.15 | nemo | sep: I tend to be disinclined to reorder the initscripts... ;) |
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| 15:18.35 | sep | nemo, add satadriver to initrd then |
| 15:18.46 | mickael | greycat, it's written "no folder or file of this type" |
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| 15:18.59 | nemo | eh, as I said. I added it to /etc/modules and that's more than enough... it's not a root partition, just /home |
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| 15:19.04 | asg | bkv: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual |
| 15:19.08 | Eulex | Roey, no one has packaged it, or there's no interest, or it's too new, or there are patent or license issues |
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| 15:19.30 | Roey | Eulex: ok, thanks then |
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| 15:19.36 | greycat | dpkg, user accessible ntfs =~ s/man mounts/man mount/ |
| 15:19.36 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 15:19.48 | asg | bkv: you may prefer to use the newest stable (sarge) instead (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual) |
| 15:19.50 | Roey | Eulex: it's from the same corporation as saint and satan; I think it's been subsumed by Nessus |
| 15:20.08 | bkv | they specifically said woody though, sarge will work and get me net access wont it? |
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| 15:20.53 | asg | bkv: provided your machine has supported hardware and at least 22M of memory and 130M+ of drive space |
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| 15:21.21 | asg | bkv: otherwise, use woody. |
| 15:21.25 | bkv | once its on there i need to change the |
| 15:21.47 | bkv | uh, i'll need to change the sources file too, thats just a list though isnt it |
| 15:21.57 | asg | bkv: once it's on there, #ubuntu will help you with whatever hackage they had in mind to bootstrap it. |
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| 15:22.48 | bkv | do i get floppies or netboot, floppies seems to have net drivers anyway |
| 15:23.02 | asg | !bf |
| 15:23.02 | dpkg | woody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 15:23.34 | greycat | "current", heh |
| 15:23.42 | rbochan | I noticed that too |
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| 15:24.21 | bkv | right theres quite a few in there, which one now? |
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| 15:25.20 | rbochan | bkv: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/README.txt |
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| 15:25.41 | asg | bkv: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/ try those first |
| 15:25.58 | bkv | sorry, i'm going over the top with the dumb newbie thing, its irc it makes me go a bit funny |
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| 15:26.13 | mickael | greycat, i edit fstab file and i add line : /dev/hdb1 /media/ntfs/ ntfs ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 15:26.39 | Lord_ | hello. X says me i need a window-manager, later i'dd like to use kde, does kde have an own window-manager or can i install any? if any, which would you recommend me? |
| 15:26.56 | nvz | my daiquiri tastes like cough syrup |
| 15:26.58 | Eulex | Lord_, kde has a window manager |
| 15:26.58 | CyberPot | sep: ok i found the problem. |
| 15:27.10 | rbochan | Lord_: kde include kwin, which is kde's window mangler |
| 15:27.16 | sep | CyberPot, what was it? |
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| 15:27.23 | CyberPot | sep: I'd rather not say! |
| 15:27.26 | CyberPot | (lol) |
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| 15:27.42 | Lord_ | thanks people for your help. |
| 15:27.43 | nvz | actually it tastes like that cherry throat spray |
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| 15:27.57 | sep | CyberPot, comeone im qurious |
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| 15:28.04 | nvz | more vodka than cherry syrup I guess |
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| 15:28.24 | rbochan | vodka in a daquiri? |
| 15:28.28 | rbochan | blech |
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| 15:28.54 | nvz | yeah, its a poor mans daquiri I guess |
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| 15:29.07 | nvz | all I had was an ice shaver, snow cone syrup and vodka |
| 15:29.09 | CyberPot | sep: The host that wouldnt reply the arp request was up *but* the dns for it returns its first ip (its a vhost). only one of the eth0:x is up, and its *not* the one that's in the DNS for it. Either pinging by IP, changing the DNS or bringing up eth0:1 will resolve the problem. |
| 15:29.20 | nvz | sounded like they went good together |
| 15:29.29 | JJK | Hello, I want to install a piece of sid software on my stable distro, how do I do that? I want only that piece of software be sid. |
| 15:29.32 | rbochan | better off with kool-aid than the syrup |
| 15:29.42 | CyberPot | sep: So of course the host was quite right to a) recieve it b) ignore it. |
| 15:29.53 | nvz | dont have kool-aid that I know of |
| 15:30.00 | CyberPot | sep: I guess that's the fun you have when you run 254 ip addresses on a single NIC |
| 15:30.01 | sep | CyberPot, so the interface in question eth0:1 wasnt up |
| 15:30.17 | CyberPot | sep: exactly. |
| 15:30.22 | darkness | Using sshd, CAN you stop users who have a shell from installing programs? |
| 15:30.32 | rbochan | or if you have one of those water filter pitcher thingies, you can run cheep vodka through it a couple of times and turn it into decent vodka that you could drink over ice |
| 15:30.50 | CyberPot | sep: Like I said "I'd rather not say!" lol. |
| 15:30.53 | sep | well good you figured it out |
| 15:30.55 | Eulex | JJK, grab the .deb from packages.debian.org |
| 15:30.56 | darkness | Yeah rbochan? |
| 15:30.59 | sep | hehe |
| 15:31.02 | rbochan | yup |
| 15:31.05 | nvz | now that the ice is melting its tasting better |
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| 15:31.26 | CyberPot | sep: Well I'm quite lucky I spotted it, coz I was about to attack the switch next! |
| 15:31.32 | tarzeau | is it me or does 2.4.31 and 2.6.12.2 just suck? |
| 15:31.35 | JJK | Eulex, it is not possible through apt-get? |
| 15:31.35 | darkness | Whys that rbochan? |
| 15:31.35 | nvz | not to mention I am probably lit up by now.. I didnt go light on the vodka |
| 15:31.36 | tarzeau | drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c:59:25: drm_scatter.h: No such file or directory |
| 15:31.36 | tarzeau | drivers/char/drm/gamma_lists.h:161: warning: `DRM' defined but not used |
| 15:31.43 | itom | sep, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager tell me that exist only gnome |
| 15:31.44 | tarzeau | i'm trying make-kpkg -rev LOL.1 --initrd kernel_image |
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| 15:31.47 | JJK | Eulex, but I'll try it |
| 15:31.48 | gigabytes | hi all |
| 15:31.57 | gigabytes | I'm installing kde on unstable |
| 15:31.57 | rbochan | because it filters it |
| 15:32.13 | gigabytes | i've a dependences problem |
| 15:32.18 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 15:32.19 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:32.19 | c_k | ok I could really use some help with snmp can anyone help me, I have been trying for days to allow a snmp server to poll my debian server for information but all I get is no response from the remote servers |
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| 15:32.25 | tarzeau | !topicbadger gigabytes |
| 15:32.25 | rbochan | it won't turn popov from a plastic bottle in to stoli, but it'll be better |
| 15:32.25 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that gigabytes didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 15:32.31 | darkness | Would that make say smirnoff red as good as smirnoff blue say? |
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| 15:32.36 | gigabytes | about every kde package depends on libkonq4 |
| 15:32.46 | gigabytes | which depends on libjack0.80.0-0 |
| 15:32.47 | nvz | heh |
| 15:32.49 | mickael | i added line /dev/hdb1 /media/ntfs/ ntfs ro,user,noauto 0 0 in fstab file but i haven't access to ntfs partition hdb1 as user , is there an error in this line ? |
| 15:32.49 | tarzeau | gigabytes: kde is broken in testing and sid |
| 15:32.52 | gigabytes | which isn't installable |
| 15:32.53 | gigabytes | yes |
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| 15:33.02 | tarzeau | gigabytes: no it's broken |
| 15:33.03 | JJK | Eulex, It works, thank you |
| 15:33.06 | hippie | dumb q: if there's an error in the README in the root of the debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso, what package would I look for bugs in to see if it's already reported? |
| 15:33.12 | tarzeau | gigabytes: you can not install kde in sid |
| 15:33.13 | TBON3 | hello everyone |
| 15:33.17 | gigabytes | tarzeau: ok |
| 15:33.17 | chris__ | michael: did you reboot ? if not you have to mount it manually |
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| 15:33.20 | gigabytes | now |
| 15:33.26 | abyss | lo my apache cannot interpret php files, but im installed apache,php4,php-mysql,mysql-server |
| 15:33.27 | tarzeau | gigabytes: it's also broken tomorrow |
| 15:33.31 | rbochan | hippie: d-i |
| 15:33.34 | tarzeau | gigabytes: you can not install kde in sid tomorrow |
| 15:33.35 | darkness | How do i stop people who have shell ssh access to my box installing programs? |
| 15:33.42 | TBON3 | ahnnn .. i need some help here, with a Samba3 PDC |
| 15:33.43 | hippie | rbochan: thanks! |
| 15:33.44 | tarzeau | darkness: remove their shell |
| 15:33.44 | abyss | what i can make that my apache can interpret php files? |
| 15:33.45 | CyberPot | sep: the problem was the lack of auto eth0:X directives... in the /etc/network/interfaces file. |
| 15:33.47 | mickael | chris, yes i have rebooted |
| 15:33.53 | cddesjar | does vmware allow you to run windows programs directly under linux (i.e. like wine) or does vmware allow you to run windows and subsequently windows programs? |
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| 15:33.56 | CowboyCoder | anyone here programmed linux signals? |
| 15:34.03 | asg | darkness: not easily |
| 15:34.04 | tarzeau | CowboyCoder: just ask, yes |
| 15:34.09 | cddesjar | sid doesn't kde yet does it? |
| 15:34.10 | Ungy | 772 is usr group full everyone read? |
| 15:34.10 | asg | CowboyCoder: try #c |
| 15:34.11 | nvz | darkness: its already done. they cannot install programs. unless they do it in a chroot in their homedir |
| 15:34.14 | gigabytes | tarzeau: how long have I to wait for working kde packages? |
| 15:34.16 | CyberPot | sep: so on the new kernel upgrade and reboot... it didn't come up, and i didn't think about it when i did ifconfig coz eth0 was up.. |
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| 15:34.22 | tarzeau | gigabytes: when it gets stable |
| 15:34.25 | TBON3 | ahnnn .. i need some help here, with a Samba3 PDC |
| 15:34.27 | chris__ | abyss: apt-get install libapache-mod-php4; /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 15:34.29 | asg | !wikifaq Ungy Permissions |
| 15:34.30 | dpkg | Ungy: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:34.40 | sep | CyberPot, add auto line to interfaces ? |
| 15:34.40 | darkness | nvz: thats what they've done, installed in their home dir. |
| 15:34.42 | asg | TBON3: try #samba |
| 15:34.47 | CyberPot | sep: doing it now ;) |
| 15:34.47 | TBON3 | thx man !!! |
| 15:34.51 | tarzeau | CowboyCoder: http://users.actcom.co.il/~choo/lupg/tutorials/signals/signals-programming.html |
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| 15:35.16 | nvz | darkness: revoke their shell account *shrug* |
| 15:35.21 | aro | Got something i don't understand, why when I do aptitude search unrar I see it as a virtual package whereas it doesn't exist, don't see it in graphical aptitude and it impossible to install it ? |
| 15:35.23 | rbochan | hippie: you might check here... http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/ |
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| 15:35.29 | CowboyCoder | thnx |
| 15:35.36 | tarzeau | darkness: what's wrong installing stuff in a home dir? |
| 15:35.42 | gigabytes | tarzeau: when it gets stable what??? there is a mistake in the dependences of the libkonq4 package. What have to became stable?? The correct package? |
| 15:35.56 | asg | darkness: if you want to prevent them from running servers or opening sockets to the outside world, grsecurity kernel patches can prevent that (as well as owner matching iptables rules) |
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| 15:36.04 | tarzeau | gigabytes: look if you want kde, do sarge or make it yourself. period. |
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| 15:36.16 | darkness | They installed eggdrop tarzeau |
| 15:36.16 | hippie | rbochan: Keen, thanks. |
| 15:36.17 | obsmav | how do i setup a dhcp server with internet connection sharring ? |
| 15:36.22 | tarzeau | darkness: so? |
| 15:36.24 | abyss | chris__, ive installed and restart it,but cannot interpret php files |
| 15:36.32 | rbochan | hippie: is it a typo or some mis-information? |
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| 15:36.44 | darkness | asg, how can i install grsecurity kernel? |
| 15:36.47 | chris__ | hrm abyss apache2 or apache1 ? |
| 15:36.52 | abyss | apache1 |
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| 15:37.20 | aro | please guys, really dont understand that ? |
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| 15:37.26 | hippie | rbochan: Well, the top of the README has "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-1 CD", but in the "Last-Minute Notes" it says "You should keep in mind that this is an unofficial CD of the current development version of the Debian system." |
| 15:37.31 | chris__ | hrm not sure, look through httpd.conf and make sure the php module is uncommented |
| 15:37.41 | rbochan | hippie: I remember seeing that too |
| 15:37.43 | butternozes | hi someone can help me to install my adsl speedy here? in the slackware I use "adsl-setup" |
| 15:37.47 | hippie | rbochan: I was just wondering if I got an old ISO (it was downloaded from a torrent linked off debian.org shortly after sarge release) |
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| 15:37.48 | cddesjar | anyone familiar with vmware? |
| 15:38.00 | hippie | rbochan: the "r0a" leads me to think it may be in error. |
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| 15:38.03 | abyss | chris__, it says that i want to download a phtml file if i try to access the localhost webfolder |
| 15:38.05 | tarzeau | cddesjar: yes, www.vmware.com |
| 15:38.06 | CyberPot | chris__: on sarge are you not supposed to use apache-modconf or some such program to make changes to the httpd.conf ? |
| 15:38.12 | rbochan | right, they just didn't update the entire readme |
| 15:38.14 | cddesjar | tarzeau: i am there |
| 15:38.22 | chris__ | CyberPot: wouldn't surprise me, i don't |
| 15:38.30 | tarzeau | cddesjar: that's nice |
| 15:38.47 | CyberPot | chris__: there's a big notice at the top of the file saying "DONT MODIFY BY HAND" ;) |
| 15:38.56 | abyss | chris__, any idea how to fix? |
| 15:38.56 | cddesjar | tarzeau: kind of confused though whether or not that means i need to run windows xp on top of linux or whether i can just run a program directly |
| 15:38.57 | aro | does anynone know about that unrar virtual package ? |
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| 15:39.04 | nvz | cddesjar: I am familiar.. I signed up to test VMWare Workstation 5 Beta a while back |
| 15:39.04 | cddesjar | tarzeau: thanks for your sarcasm ;) |
| 15:39.19 | tarzeau | cddesjar: you want to run windows binaries? why not just use wine? |
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| 15:39.43 | tarzeau | aro: what do you really want to know? |
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| 15:39.44 | cddesjar | tarzeau: i have wine, i was just wondering if there was any benefit to vmware |
| 15:39.46 | nvz | cddesjar: its a vmware is a loose term. its a comany not a program. you have to specify which vmware program you speak of |
| 15:39.55 | cddesjar | oh |
| 15:40.00 | cddesjar | GSX server |
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| 15:40.09 | cddesjar | http://www.vmware.com/products/server/gsx_features.html |
| 15:40.11 | EdibleText | butternozes, perhaps pppoe pppoeconf. I have had success with the roaring penguin stuff as well |
| 15:40.16 | abyss | chris__, i really need it |
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| 15:40.31 | nvz | I have no idea what the GSX server is, but I believe its for serving multiple VMs |
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| 15:40.38 | cddesjar | yup |
| 15:40.40 | nvz | Ive only used the Workstation |
| 15:40.59 | tarzeau | nvz: i've used gsx too, you can run it remotely |
| 15:40.59 | aro | tarzeau, I dont understand why I see unrar as a vrtual when I type aptitude search unrar wheras when I browse app graphically with aptitude i can't find it and it is impossible to install it by aptitude install unrar |
| 15:41.05 | rbochan | better off dual-booting |
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| 15:41.22 | rbochan | aro: tried 'rar'? |
| 15:41.23 | nvz | I find vmware to be a lot better than dual-booting in many cases |
| 15:41.24 | cddesjar | ok...i see about the workstation |
| 15:41.26 | tarzeau | aro: use apt-cache search rar |
| 15:41.31 | chris__ | abyss: sounds like apache doesn't know to interpret .php files, look through apache (or httpd).conf |
| 15:41.38 | EdibleText | rebooting is HARD. |
| 15:41.41 | nvz | its especially good for testing new OS's without having to repartition |
| 15:41.43 | tarzeau | nvz: pity it's i386 only. tried qemu? |
| 15:41.49 | nvz | EdibleText: its more than rebooting |
| 15:41.58 | nvz | tarzeau: I only have i386 |
| 15:42.08 | EdibleText | nvz, I was being dual-boot barbie. |
| 15:42.16 | rbochan | nvz: I can understand that, but if you're going to pay upwards of $300 for winxp, might as wel run it natively |
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| 15:42.26 | abyss | chris__, what should be ther to support php4? |
| 15:42.29 | tarzeau | nvz: i wish dosbox would run in textmode only... |
| 15:42.29 | nvz | EdibleText: yeah, well running a 2nd OS is more than just having to reboot |
| 15:42.33 | cddesjar | dual-boot barbie...i like that |
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| 15:42.40 | user_ruser | hey guys, littel offtopic. what was the decision by EU on software patents? |
| 15:42.41 | EdibleText | nvz, explain |
| 15:42.44 | cddesjar | !dual-boot barbie |
| 15:42.54 | Eulex | aro, aptitude is bad at virtual packages... do apt-get install unrar instead |
| 15:43.04 | nvz | EdibleText: you also have to partition, and you cannot be running your other OS at the same time.. etc |
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| 15:43.16 | rbochan | user_ruser: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/06/eu_bins_swpat/ |
| 15:43.23 | chris__ | <IfModule mod_php4.c> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 </IfModule> |
| 15:43.25 | chris__ | something like that abyss |
| 15:43.31 | aro | tarzeau, but how can I know what real packages are contained in that virtual package ? |
| 15:43.33 | cddesjar | using workstation can you run a two distributions of linux without needing to reparitition? |
| 15:43.38 | cddesjar | or dual boot |
| 15:43.39 | gigabytes | user_ruser: rejected |
| 15:43.41 | nvz | EdibleText: there are many reasons people use VMs.. to setup virtual networks to test networking concepts, run security tests and audits.. |
| 15:43.47 | user_ruser | sweet! |
| 15:43.52 | nvz | EdibleText: when only one machine is avaliable |
| 15:43.59 | tarzeau | aro: apt-cache showpkg ? |
| 15:44.05 | EdibleText | nvz, yup.. its lame. Unless you REALY have need for booting directly of hardware, a virtualizer is more convenient |
| 15:44.11 | EdibleText | of/off |
| 15:44.14 | CyberPot | nvz: to test n-tier software ;) |
| 15:44.20 | abyss | chris__, isnt in there |
| 15:44.31 | nvz | damn I am fuckin lit |
| 15:44.37 | rbochan | heh |
| 15:44.44 | user_ruser | wonder why it hasn't made to slashdot yet |
| 15:44.46 | rbochan | faux-daquiris |
| 15:44.50 | chris__ | user_ruser: they just rejected a bill to allow for the patenting of software |
| 15:44.54 | nvz | I think its time to migrate away from the pc before I wonder what the hell happened later |
| 15:44.54 | rbochan | user_ruser: it has |
| 15:44.59 | abyss | chris__, where i should add it? |
| 15:45.14 | CyberPot | chris__: i saw. our local LUG wrote to the MEPs and they couldnt give a shit. |
| 15:45.18 | rbochan | user_ruser: http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/07/06/1156214.shtml?tid=155&tid=17 |
| 15:45.19 | nvz | I need more ice anyhow |
| 15:45.24 | nvz | and something to eat |
| 15:45.35 | rbochan | nvz: that's what logs are for! |
| 15:45.38 | nvz | I figure I can do less harm trying to cook, than I could sitting here |
| 15:45.38 | EdibleText | !ice nvz |
| 15:45.40 | chris__ | abyss looking haven't run apache1 for a while |
| 15:46.13 | nvz | rbochan: if I type some bad command that wipes out my logs and half my LVM array, then what? |
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| 15:46.25 | rbochan | backups? |
| 15:46.26 | aro | tarzeau, i only see reverse depends, not the real packages that are assimilated to unrar virtual package |
| 15:46.33 | chris__ | abyss: follow the directions on this page http://www.phpfreaks.com/tutorials/12/2.php |
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| 15:46.48 | nvz | rbochan: backups arent good for logs of what I did recently :P |
| 15:46.54 | rbochan | heh |
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| 15:47.09 | rbochan | seperate logging server? |
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| 15:47.19 | user_ruser | rbochan thanks |
| 15:47.24 | rbochan | de nada |
| 15:48.04 | nvz | I had wanted to try setting up a LDAP or such server before.. to centralize logs, configurations and such.. but right now I only have one linux box so is not really nessicary |
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| 15:48.26 | aro | aro, do you understand what i mean ? |
| 15:48.30 | itom | greycat, sep, Eulex, I found it! is simple -> in the user home change the file .dmrc |
| 15:48.48 | aro | tarzeau, sorry ( the message upon si for you ) |
| 15:48.48 | nvz | in my current state of mind, I really dont understand how ldap differes from just mounting network shares in place of /etc or /var/log |
| 15:48.57 | cddesjar | could i run suse on top of debian (not that i would want to) using vmware workstation at the same time without needing to reboot or repartition? |
| 15:49.00 | greycat | itom: the *what* file? which man page is that in? |
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| 15:49.07 | rbochan | I don't know enough about ldap to say |
| 15:49.11 | nvz | cddesjar: yep |
| 15:49.15 | cddesjar | crazy |
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| 15:49.44 | itom | greycat, I found it with some "cat *" and "diff" searches |
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| 15:50.00 | nvz | cddesjar: I used to run Mandrake 7.2 many many years ago, and tty7 had my X server, tty8 was windows 98, tty9 was windows 2000 pro, and tty10 had windows 3.11 all running inside vmware workstations |
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| 15:50.27 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.27 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:51.16 | adapter | my partition has 36GB, and the used space is 34GB, why the 2GB is not available? |
| 15:51.20 | adapter | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 15:51.20 | adapter | /dev/hda1 36G 34G 0 100% / |
| 15:51.26 | greycat | minfree. |
| 15:51.27 | greycat | 5%. |
| 15:51.30 | Phated | Your reserved space. |
| 15:51.36 | greycat | man tune2fs, etc. |
| 15:51.41 | Phated | For root to use in case someone else fucks up. :) |
| 15:52.01 | greycat | BAH. they don't use the word minfree in linuxworld. |
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| 15:52.09 | rbochan | heh |
| 15:52.30 | greycat | fucking GNU idiots call it reserved-blocks-percentage |
| 15:52.32 | Phated | Apparently not. |
| 15:52.35 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.35 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.44 | greycat | on HP-UX: |
| 15:52.54 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.54 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.54 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.14 | greycat | DIE gnu man pages, DIE. |
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| 15:53.25 | sour | die greycat |
| 15:53.33 | greycat | eventualy. |
| 15:53.35 | greycat | +l |
| 15:53.50 | Phated | Oy, vey. Stopit. |
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| 15:53.59 | caphuso | tune2fs isn't a GNU man page |
| 15:54.24 | greycat | caphuso: ok, fair enough. Is e2fsprogs a "linux" program, then? |
| 15:54.37 | caphuso | greycat: yeah |
| 15:54.55 | greycat | why does something so important and so commonly asked-about as minfree get only ONE line in that man page? on hp-ux it's got a whole paragraph. be glad I only gave you three lines. |
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| 15:55.18 | darkness | Can you simply apt-get grsecurity kernel patch for sarge or is it not so simple? |
| 15:55.27 | caphuso | not part of GNU though, unless your into the "_we_ rule the free software world, so let's call it GNU/linux" FSF opinion... |
| 15:55.34 | CyberPot | greycat: because the switch is more descriptive and self-explanatory ? |
| 15:55.59 | veleno | which kind of chip my netgear 11mbit wireless card is, Prism2, Orinoco, others ? |
| 15:56.06 | greycat | CyberPot: which part of the man page explains what "reserved" means? |
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| 15:56.42 | caphuso | greycat: the one in mke2fs(8) |
| 15:56.53 | CyberPot | greycat: A dictionary. |
| 15:56.59 | abyss | chris__, wont work too :( after upgrading to sid no apache seems to work :/ not apache2 even not apache1 |
| 15:57.00 | Phated | Minfree isn't entirely accurate, is it? Because if it was minimum free space, then no one would ever be able to use it/ |
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| 15:57.20 | chris__ | abyss: wow thats odd, try reinstalling |
| 15:57.25 | choti | algun cliente torrent |
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| 15:57.36 | choti | yo usaba bitornado en XP |
| 15:57.37 | greycat | Phated: minfree is just the thing it's *called*. there's a whole pargraph of explanation after that in the HP-UX man page tunefs(1M). |
| 15:57.41 | abyss | chris__, ive already did even with --purge |
| 15:57.44 | caphuso | -m reserved-blocks-percentage Specify the percentage of the filesystem blocks reserved for the super-user. This avoids fragmentation, and allows root-owned daemons, such as syslogd(8), to continue to function correctly after non-privileged processes are prevented from writing to the filesystem. The default percentage is 5%. |
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| 15:57.53 | Phated | greycat: Ah, well then. |
| 15:57.53 | choti | se pueden instalar por apt-get??? |
| 15:57.54 | sour | i think greycat just a critic, and needs to get something out of his system. |
| 15:57.55 | abyss | chris__, what i have to remove? |
| 15:57.57 | CyberPot | greycat : from dicionary.com "re-serve To set or cause to be set apart for a particular person or use" |
| 15:58.04 | greycat | apparently the writers of the tune2fs(8) man page decided that they're skip the explanation because it's in the mke2fs(8) man page, but then not refer to it. |
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| 15:58.23 | takisd | getting some warning/errors during boot. screen too quick so can't read them - not in dmesg. is the complete boot messages logged somewhere?? |
| 15:58.27 | chris__ | abyss: hrm try this tutorial it worked for me back in the day http://www.awtrey.com/tutorials/dbeweb/debian.php |
| 15:58.32 | greycat | CyberPot: which person? which use? why doesn't it say "See mke2fs(8) for details."? |
| 15:58.40 | caphuso | greycat: SEE ALSO dumpe2fs(8), e2fsck(8), mke2fs(8) |
| 15:58.45 | greycat | s/they're/they'd/ |
| 15:58.46 | sour | greycat get over it |
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| 15:59.15 | Spec | psst, greycat, the GNU man pages hate you :-/ |
| 15:59.15 | greycat | !es |
| 15:59.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:59.33 | caphuso | that's why texinfo is so much more convenient |
| 15:59.54 | asg | caphuso: but navigation is horrid |
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| 16:00.16 | caphuso | asg: 1) navigation is great and 2) at least you have navigation |
| 16:00.26 | Spec | 'info'? |
| 16:00.34 | Spec | is that what you mean by texinfo? |
| 16:00.48 | caphuso | Spec: no, i meant texinfo |
| 16:01.10 | Spec | hmm, who makes 'info'? :p |
| 16:01.34 | greycat | OK, last item of evidence. OpenBSD tunefs(8) calls it minfree and also has a paragraph of explanation. |
| 16:01.44 | greycat | It's JUST THE LINUX MAN PAGE that is shit. |
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| 16:01.51 | greycat | Everyone else documented this properly. |
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| 16:02.12 | CyberPot | greycat: I must admit the best linux man pages are the ones that are stolen from BSD ;) |
| 16:02.42 | greycat | that's because openbsd developers actually take *pride* in their documentation. linux developers say things like "greycat get over it" |
| 16:02.50 | CyberPot | lol |
| 16:02.56 | greycat | or at least linux users do. not sure which one of them sour is. |
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| 16:03.07 | chris__ | it's also because the only openbsd docs there are are manpages |
| 16:03.09 | shingouz | hmm.. shouldn't a 486slc have a math copro? |
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| 16:03.34 | greycat | chris__: untrue. there's an excellent FAQ on their man web site. |
| 16:03.38 | greycat | main* |
| 16:03.41 | asg | caphuso: I'll give you 2, I just don't have the emacs frame of mind RE: 1 |
| 16:03.43 | chris__ | gc, true |
| 16:03.46 | chris__ | but that's about it |
| 16:04.00 | chris__ | if you want to find out how to setup spamd, it's tough to find docs =D |
| 16:04.07 | JoshH | ya, with a bsd you basically never even need to use google. |
| 16:04.12 | JoshH | the man pages are actually good. |
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| 16:04.24 | JoshH | and the online docs as well. |
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| 16:04.34 | chris__ | too good thought, it's almost impossible to learn to use isakmpd through the manpage alone |
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| 16:05.12 | godzirra | Heya guys. I've got a medialess client and when I try and start X it fails with no error messages. When I checked hte logs, I saw no errors, but when I typed dmesg, I see this: "Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program like Xfree86 might be trying access hardware directly" |
| 16:05.17 | godzirra | can anyone help me figure out whats going on? |
| 16:05.30 | Spec | Where would one go to submit changes/corrections to man pages? |
| 16:05.36 | asg | Spec: the bts |
| 16:05.54 | Spec | So why don't people just constantly submit updates/changes to the GNU/Linux man pages and beef them up a bit...? |
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| 16:06.07 | greycat | asg: hah. |
| 16:06.16 | asg | greycat: in theory |
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| 16:06.26 | JoshH | Spec: because people are lazy and like to bitch without doing anything. |
| 16:06.30 | Spec | oi, so it's the theoretical way to update man pages :p |
| 16:06.39 | Spec | JoshH: if debian asked it of them, then people would do it |
| 16:06.43 | asg | Spec: and in practice though it takes a while |
| 16:06.50 | greycat | Spec: you'll have better luck if you bypass the debian BTS and ship your patches straight to the upstream authors, I think. |
| 16:06.50 | darkness | Can anyone give me a link for man grseurity patch upgrade <sarge>? |
| 16:06.54 | JoshH | some people would. |
| 16:06.59 | Spec | yeah, because there's more pressing things than man page updates |
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| 16:07.02 | asg | darkness: apt-cache search grsecurity |
| 16:07.06 | Spec | but in reality, man page updates would be really damn good :p |
| 16:07.07 | darkness | tks |
| 16:07.21 | rbochan | Spec: hop to it then :P |
| 16:07.30 | Spec | I don't know how to make patches for man pages ;) |
| 16:07.44 | greycat | Spec: you just edit the page and then run diff. |
| 16:07.46 | asg | Spec: edit the markup, diff |
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| 16:08.01 | greycat | the hard part, of course, will be learning ROFF if you don't already know it. but mostly you can see the patterns and follow them. |
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| 16:08.09 | Spec | diff oldpage newpage > programname.patch ? |
| 16:08.18 | Spec | ROFF? |
| 16:08.18 | asg | Spec: irc, my manpage fix took longer to apply than my luke skywalker cowfile fix. |
| 16:08.23 | greycat | diff -u is preferred. |
| 16:08.34 | Spec | if it's just editing text, you don't need to know any markup, right? |
| 16:08.40 | Spec | unless you're doing substantial changes :p |
| 16:08.42 | Spec | asg: cowsay rocks :p |
| 16:09.02 | caphuso | {,t,n}roff is easy, if you stick to only ever using it for man pages |
| 16:09.10 | asg | caphuso: agreed |
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| 16:09.28 | greycat | asg: #111578 was submitted 2001-09-07 and closed 2005-06-09 |
| 16:09.40 | asg | greycat: yeah :( |
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| 16:09.50 | caphuso | but don't try to come near all the pre- and postprocessors |
| 16:10.01 | obsmav | i have a dhcpd running on my lan and my windows sytems dont see it... why ?!? |
| 16:10.05 | Spec | so, is there any one debian developer responsible for man pages? |
| 16:10.07 | asg | caphuso: better to keep it simple |
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| 16:10.15 | asg | Spec: no |
| 16:10.25 | PerfDave | Spec: There's a Debian Documentation Project, but it's not well documented ;) |
| 16:10.34 | Spec | so man pages are each controlled by individual packagers? |
| 16:10.39 | greycat | Spec: every package maintainer is independent |
| 16:10.45 | asg | Spec: yes |
| 16:10.50 | hippie | PerfDave: heh! |
| 16:10.53 | Spec | hmm, that makes it so easy to update them :p |
| 16:11.00 | darkness | How do i check the version of sarge i'm using. Aparently grsecurity patch works on 2.4.26 and 2.6.5? |
| 16:11.20 | rbochan | darkness: that's kernel version |
| 16:11.21 | Spec | darkness: 2.4.26 and 2.6.5 are kernel versions |
| 16:11.27 | Spec | darkness: uname -r maybe |
| 16:11.36 | godzirra | Heya guys. I've got a medialess client and when I try and start X it fails with no error messages. When I checked hte logs, I saw no errors, but when I typed dmesg, I see this: "Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program like Xfree86 might be trying access hardware directly" Can anyone help? |
| 16:12.01 | darkness | Well it installed :-) |
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| 16:13.32 | abyss | chris__, the apache2 works now but without php extension :/ |
| 16:15.07 | abyss | exist another webserver instead of apache? |
| 16:15.25 | pureone | apt-cache search httpd ;) |
| 16:16.44 | chris__ | abyss: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
| 16:17.14 | pureone | check modules.conf as well i had that problem with apache-ssl last night |
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| 16:18.54 | abyss | done now it wont show me the download dialog instead the site is blank |
| 16:19.02 | abyss | chris__, done now it wont show me the download dialog instead the site is blank |
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| 16:19.31 | chris__ | hrm |
| 16:19.32 | chris__ | show source |
| 16:19.43 | greycat | Spurious ACK sounds like a cool name for a rapper. |
| 16:19.48 | asg | hahahah |
| 16:20.01 | asg | I was DJ Lemon Pledge once |
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| 16:21.09 | Spec | Spurious ACK combines with deadly SYN? |
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| 16:21.52 | greycat | Original SYN |
| 16:21.55 | abyss | chris__, i go mad with this :) |
| 16:22.11 | asg | 7 Deadly SYNs |
| 16:22.13 | chris__ | abyss: what does the source of the page show ? |
| 16:22.22 | abyss | chris__, nothing |
| 16:22.27 | chris__ | uh oh |
| 16:22.28 | Spec | Ah, Original SYN is good |
| 16:22.35 | abyss | chris__, complete empty |
| 16:22.39 | chris__ | abyss don't know man, very odd |
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| 16:23.19 | abyss | chris__, i think it has something to do with upgrage to sid (from stable) |
| 16:23.41 | godzirra | Heya guys. When I try and start X it fails with no error messages. When I checked hte logs, I saw no errors, but when I typed dmesg, I see this: "Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program like Xfree86 might be trying access hardware directly" Can anyone help?3 |
| 16:23.59 | Yokalosh | what is the command to configure the x-window-server? |
| 16:24.06 | asg | !drxx Yokalosh |
| 16:24.07 | dpkg | Yokalosh: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 16:24.18 | Yokalosh | thankyou |
| 16:24.39 | Ze` | is there any official package of udev > 0.58 planned to enter to stable to be compatible with 2.6.12 linux kernel ? |
| 16:24.59 | greycat | why? stable has no 2.6.12 kernel. |
| 16:25.09 | Ze` | green_earz: for custom kernel .. |
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| 16:25.54 | Ze` | greycat: for custom kernel |
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| 16:26.14 | greycat | then I guess you get to make a custom udev backport |
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| 16:26.35 | greycat | they can't even keep the interface consistent? |
| 16:27.11 | doub | greycat: mr tovalds wants it to be that way, it seems |
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| 16:27.20 | caphuso | 2.6 doesn't have stability |
| 16:27.22 | godzirra | so.. anyone have any idea about my X problem? |
| 16:27.39 | Spec | godzirra: it's got a cool name; that's all i know :-/ |
| 16:27.42 | doub | greycat: quite not stable, but not unstable even |
| 16:27.42 | godzirra | lol |
| 16:27.46 | Ze` | caphuso: sure but 2.4 is feature-less |
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| 16:27.56 | PDani | hi |
| 16:28.04 | greycat | Ze`: you mean "it's not l33t enough" |
| 16:28.10 | kyu | Hi folks, a while ago someone gave me a (really simple) command to replace my missing /etc/fonts/local.conf, since then i've removed (and reinstalled ;) debian, the command was something like apt-get remove --purge fontconfig, but that doesn't seem to work, anyone got an idea? |
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| 16:28.23 | asg | kyu: /msg dpkg font guid |
| 16:28.25 | asg | kyu: /msg dpkg font guide |
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| 16:28.36 | empty | 2.6 is plenty stable |
| 16:28.39 | EdibleText | why struggle with problem X when you can have a Name Brand(tm) problem |
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| 16:28.50 | Ze` | greycat: :)) no I mean, I must have 2.6 branch and must have custom because kernel package do not cover all my need :) |
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| 16:28.53 | PDani | can i modify somehow the depends of a binary deb package? |
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| 16:29.04 | doub | PDani: you need to get the source |
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| 16:29.13 | asg | PDani: get the deb source, edit the control file, build a new deb |
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| 16:29.19 | PDani | doub: aham |
| 16:29.22 | PDani | thx |
| 16:29.26 | doub | PDani: as asg tells |
| 16:29.26 | rbochan | kyu: fc-cache -f ? |
| 16:29.33 | greycat | a ham is not required, but won't hurt. |
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| 16:30.14 | doub | PDani: but be shure to also remove the dependencies at compile time, like using "--without-<feature>" |
| 16:30.17 | Spec | mmm; ham |
| 16:30.37 | kyu | That doesn't really help me here as i don't have a local.conf |
| 16:30.46 | bsims | I need help using snapshot.debian.org... I added the following line to sources.list: deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/05/24/debian unstable main contrib non-free. But I can't figure out the magic incantation to get it to download kdelibs4_3.3.2-6 |
| 16:30.47 | greycat | !confmiss |
| 16:30.47 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 16:31.02 | greycat | that maybe? |
| 16:31.10 | kyu | I used confmiss before, and then someone said something about --purge and it worked |
| 16:31.16 | kyu | confmiss didn't work there |
| 16:31.19 | greycat | bsims: why not simply wget it and dpkg -i it? |
| 16:31.35 | greycat | kyu: well then, figure out which package to purge and reinstall |
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| 16:31.49 | Eulex | Ze`, 2.6.12 is not even in unstable -- and you want it in stable? btw, what stable do you refer to? sarge? etch that is going to be stable when it's released? woody |
| 16:31.51 | doub | bsims: apt-get install <package>=<version> maybe |
| 16:32.01 | kyu | Is there a way to purge fontconfig without removing everything that depends on it? |
| 16:32.15 | greycat | --purge --force-depends |
| 16:32.22 | kyu | thanks |
| 16:32.26 | Gozar | Hi. I have a Dlink DI-604 router that supports remote logging to syslog. That I'll found in the man page to syslog, but I would like it to log to differnt file than /var/log/message, say /var/log/router How would I get it to log to /var/log/router? |
| 16:32.45 | kyu | eborn[dt]: Command line option --force-depends is not understood |
| 16:32.48 | kyu | er |
| 16:32.51 | kyu | that was e: |
| 16:32.52 | kyu | ;) |
| 16:33.04 | bsims | that did it but does it still pull dependences? |
| 16:33.06 | asg | Gozar: set your router to log to a local[0-7] facility, edit /etc/syslog.conf |
| 16:33.12 | doub | Gozar: use a different syslog facility |
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| 16:33.31 | EdibleText | --force-depends suggests a authoritarian convalescent home |
| 16:33.33 | PDani | i found a diff.gz, a .dsc and a .orig.tar.gz. are these enough for create the deb? |
| 16:33.42 | doub | PDani: yes |
| 16:33.42 | asg | Gozar: if the router is dumb and unconfigurable, you'll have to use syslog-ng |
| 16:33.53 | bsims | exit |
| 16:34.01 | kyu | EdibleText, dot dot dot |
| 16:34.19 | doub | PDani: untar the orig, apply the diff to it, modify the debian/control file and debian/rules if needed, and then dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:34.45 | Spec | oh crap, someone call the doctor, EdibleText just elipsed o.O |
| 16:34.45 | Eulex | woah, I've got 100mb syslog and 100mb kern.log! |
| 16:35.03 | PDani | doub: the problem is, that the orig file isn't contain debian directory |
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| 16:35.17 | PDani | it seems like a pure source-tar |
| 16:35.27 | greycat | PDani: "apt-get source foobar" would have done half of it for you. |
| 16:35.30 | doub | PDani: yes, that's what it's made for: it's a duplicate of the upstream source, most of the time |
| 16:35.44 | greycat | !tell PDani about source |
| 16:35.52 | no_dammagE | hi, how can I change gksu password (I entered one, but I don't like it anymore)? |
| 16:35.57 | Eulex | my /var/log contains 270mb files |
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| 16:36.13 | asg | Eulex: my daily squid log is 270M |
| 16:36.17 | godzirra | Heya guys. When I try and start X it fails with no error messages. When I checked hte logs, I saw no errors, but when I typed dmesg, I see this: "Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program like Xfree86 might be trying access hardware directly" Can anyone help? |
| 16:36.22 | Eulex | asg, heh |
| 16:36.36 | greycat | godzirra: ask #xfree86 |
| 16:36.42 | Eulex | godzirra, define "fails with no error messages" |
| 16:36.44 | godzirra | Ah. ok. |
| 16:36.48 | HarleyG | guys you know the bombing around london |
| 16:36.58 | asg | godzirra: did you google for the Spurious ACK? |
| 16:36.58 | HarleyG | gnaa admits it was them |
| 16:36.59 | HarleyG | http://news.gnaa.us/?u=smeera |
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| 16:37.14 | takatumi | asg: majority package traffic? |
| 16:37.14 | Phated | Go go gadget greycat. |
| 16:37.16 | Eulex | HarleyG, ot -- goto #london | #politics |
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| 16:37.21 | Phated | Oooh, say that ten times fast. |
| 16:37.28 | greycat | Eulex: take a closer look at that URL |
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| 16:37.44 | godzirra | Eulex: It gives the standard "USing config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" etc. Then it flashes the screen and I see the cursor and the desktop etc, and then it goes back to the console saying "waiting for X server to shut down X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). xauth: creating new authoriy file /root/.Xauthority |
| 16:37.55 | Gozar | asg: doub I can't set the router to log to any facility, I can only enable or disable System Activity, Debug Information, Attacks, Dropped Packets, Notice |
| 16:38.00 | godzirra | asg: Yes, and there's TONS of posts that mostly don't relate to X. And the ones that relate to X I Was unable to find out how to fix it. |
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| 16:38.38 | destr0___ | what's the debian program that installs/deinstalls scripts for running at boot? |
| 16:38.46 | asg | Gozar: then either use syslog-ng (which allows for all sorts of joyful filtering) or tail /var/log/syslog and write messages coming from there to another logfile. |
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| 16:38.53 | csdgp | destr0___: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
| 16:38.54 | rbochan | destr0___: update-rc.d |
| 16:38.57 | takatumi | destr0___: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 16:38.59 | destr0___ | thanks you |
| 16:39.08 | xoz | godzirra: can you try startx as ordinary user? |
| 16:39.11 | EdibleText | godzirra, perhaps some wacky key on the keyboard is pressed. |
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| 16:39.24 | godzirra | EdibleText: nope. notghing on teh keyboard is pressed.. tried different keyboards. |
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| 16:39.35 | godzirra | xoz: Nope. ITs a medialess workstation. There's only a root user. no others. |
| 16:39.37 | EdibleText | godzirra, ps2 mouse? |
| 16:39.41 | godzirra | EdibleText: serial |
| 16:39.50 | Gozar | asg: Thanks, I'll take a look at it. |
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| 16:40.00 | godzirra | greycat: heh.. there's 8 people in #xfree86, all not talking :) |
| 16:40.05 | Eulex | greycat, that page sure did bad things to firefox |
| 16:40.14 | EdibleText | godzirra, have you tried a different mouse (for shits and giggles) |
| 16:40.21 | godzirra | EdibleText: yup. |
| 16:40.29 | godzirra | Always try different hardware first :) |
| 16:40.35 | greycat | Eulex: the word with G and N and A and A in it is a notorious troll gang. |
| 16:40.36 | EdibleText | godzirra, curious |
| 16:40.42 | xoz | godzirra: no error in /var/log/XFree86.0.log? |
| 16:40.50 | godzirra | xoz: nope. |
| 16:40.50 | greycat | Eulex: I would strongly suggest you *not* visit that page in a GUI browser with javascript enabled. |
| 16:40.54 | rbochan | greycat: I'm surprised there isn't an auto-kick for that phrase |
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| 16:41.14 | asg | rbochan: there was but it was used to kick our bots and their handlers |
| 16:41.14 | godzirra | xoz: the log goes through adding the extended input device "TOUCHSCREEN" and then nothing. |
| 16:41.16 | Eulex | greycat, ok |
| 16:41.21 | rbochan | ahh |
| 16:41.28 | kyu | Okkkaaaaay, so now when i use confmiss, i get the message : "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/fonts/local.conf" |
| 16:41.38 | kyu | confmiss should fix that, no? |
| 16:41.41 | ke6isf | Firefox is up to 1.0.5, yet Sarge uses 1.0.4. Any news when it's goign to be packaged for current? |
| 16:41.49 | EdibleText | rbochan, I thought the same thing, but #debian has trolldar that is hypersensitive |
| 16:41.57 | asg | ke6isf: sarge doesn't get new packages, only bug fixes |
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| 16:42.21 | Morti | When you build a kernel deb with make-kpkg, does that .deb include all the necessary modules as well? |
| 16:42.28 | rbochan | yes |
| 16:42.30 | asg | Morti: yes |
| 16:42.30 | greycat | Morti: yes |
| 16:42.35 | Morti | Rock. Ta. |
| 16:42.43 | greycat | or rather, all the *configured* modules. |
| 16:42.47 | greycat | whether they're necessary or not. |
| 16:42.55 | kyu | How do i get apt to create my /etc/fonts/local.conf? |
| 16:42.56 | Morti | Well, yeah. ;) |
| 16:43.04 | xoz | godzirra: can you paste in flood the last 10 lines of XFree86.0.log? |
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| 16:43.17 | godzirra | Hrm.. one sec. let me try and get that |
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| 16:43.40 | ke6isf | asg: OK, how unstable is Unstable? |
| 16:43.46 | rbochan | mort: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/ has a good tutorial on making kernels with make-kpkg |
| 16:43.46 | asg | ke6isf: right now, very |
| 16:43.59 | kyu | I'm using unstable, hasn't crashed on me yet |
| 16:44.13 | ke6isf | asg: I think I'll wait then. =^^= That said, I thought 1.0.5 constituted some kind of fix in firefox. |
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| 16:44.19 | asg | ke6isf: still, if you really need the newest firefox, you could either a) backport it or b) compile it from source and stuff it in /usr/local |
| 16:44.19 | Morti | rbochan: I've already done it, I was double checking the modules issue. |
| 16:44.32 | asg | ke6isf: security fixes are backported to stable |
| 16:44.52 | asg | ke6isf: i.e., the phpBB 2.0.16 patch was applied to the 2.0.13 version in stable. |
| 16:45.05 | egg|patented | asg, I take b) |
| 16:45.06 | ke6isf | asg: So I probalby have the appropriate fix then. |
| 16:45.39 | egg|patented | aye.... nspr |
| 16:45.44 | asg | ke6isf: yes, or you will have if the security team deems sarge's version to be vulnerable to the problem. Check the bts for info. |
| 16:45.58 | ke6isf | asg: Thanks for the notes. |
| 16:46.00 | godzirra | xoz: still trying :) |
| 16:46.06 | ke6isf | !coffee asg |
| 16:46.15 | ke6isf | heh, no coffee. |
| 16:46.16 | egg|patented | I have 2 |
| 16:46.17 | ke6isf | !beer asg |
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| 16:46.47 | rastaval | where can i download Mambo 4.5.1a Dreamweaver Template builder extension? |
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| 16:46.53 | xoz | good to know that g++ is moving to 4.0 |
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| 16:47.11 | egg|patented | fedora did |
| 16:47.24 | xcar | hi, installing debian 3.1 got halt on main menu, is that a bug? |
| 16:47.25 | egg|patented | (white mouse) |
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| 16:47.38 | asg | ke6isf: The only time I'm not drinking coffee is when I'm drinking beer |
| 16:48.00 | ke6isf | asg: Good show! =^^= |
| 16:48.25 | egg|patented | >_< |
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| 16:49.15 | nvz | whoo, damn.. I need to start inviting people over when I cook.. cause I end up eating it all.. and I cook way to much |
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| 16:49.31 | diesel | What package is the dig utility in? |
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| 16:49.38 | greycat | dnsutils |
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| 16:49.44 | Ronin` | nvz: tried cooking less? |
| 16:49.50 | diesel | greycat, thanks |
| 16:49.54 | empty | What is the deal with "nfs warning: mount version older than kernel" in my logs? I am trying to bring some servers in my cluster up to sarge and everything works right (after a buncha tweaking) BUT sometimes they end up hanging on NFS... anyone know why? Is that related? The other boxes (that NFS nicely) are running a custom 2.4.18 kernel and Woody, and the NFS server is an EMC |
| 16:49.59 | greycat | nvz: invest in some tupperware |
| 16:50.06 | nvz | Ronin`: if I am going to make a mess in the kitchen I might as well go all out |
| 16:50.08 | greycat | empty: you can ignore that |
| 16:50.19 | FarrisG | Is there a way to disable hyperthreading in 2.6.x kernels but still make use of two physical procs? |
| 16:50.27 | nvz | greycat: yeah, leftovers make you feel good twice. |
| 16:50.33 | empty | nvz, portion control is they key to losing weight- I've dropped 20 pounds in a few months just eating less |
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| 16:50.47 | Ronin` | not to mention things like chowders tast much better a day or more later nvz |
| 16:50.51 | greycat | and that's why he's empty |
| 16:50.53 | empty | greycat, cool, thought so... course sthe situation is still dire |
| 16:50.56 | rbochan | heh |
| 16:51.03 | nvz | greycat: the first time you're like "oh, I'm saving food" and the 2nd time, you're all like "damn, good thing I threw that out. It'll make someone sick" |
| 16:51.11 | greycat | Ronin`: most things don't, though |
| 16:51.13 | elirips | hi. if i download a kernel-source, extract it and then call xconfig, is done automatically a default-config created? or where from can i get a default config-file? |
| 16:51.25 | empty | greycat, some might argue i am full, as in full of suse^w shit |
| 16:51.34 | greycat | elirips: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 16:51.43 | nvz | empty: I couldnt gain weight if I tried.. that stuff I ate will be in the toilet in about 4 hours |
| 16:51.57 | empty | nvz, Bulemic? |
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| 16:52.06 | godzirra | xoz: ok.. retyping it. Ugh. |
| 16:52.10 | rbochan | vomitorium? |
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| 16:52.21 | empty | nvz, (just kidding, and no please don't elucidate on your gastronomical processes) |
| 16:52.22 | nvz | empty: nope, I'm just very effecient and makin turds |
| 16:52.28 | nvz | heh |
| 16:52.28 | elirips | greycat, i currently have a 2.4.27-kernel installed (from the sarge netinst), guess that doesn't work for 2.6.12? |
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| 16:52.42 | nvz | s/and/at/ |
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| 16:52.59 | greycat | elirips: there ARE NO sensible sane default configurations in linux. OpenBSD has GENERIC. Linux has Debian to do the dirty work *for* it. |
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| 16:53.12 | greycat | Remember, Linux 2.4.x actually defaults to *PENTIUM III*. |
| 16:53.19 | EdibleText | nvz, grain eaters are regular people |
| 16:53.37 | xoz | godzirra: never mind. we may need to look at the entire file. try to check the messages in that log file and tell us anything suspicious. |
| 16:53.44 | LaurenceRowe | hi, I've managed to make a really broken package for qmail, but now I can't remove it as Errors were encountered while processing |
| 16:53.58 | greycat | LaurenceRowe: *what* errors? |
| 16:54.00 | godzirra | xoz: (WW) TOUCHSCREEN: does not have core pointer capabilities |
| 16:54.04 | godzirra | is the only thing kind of suspicious |
| 16:54.12 | greycat | (WW) is a warning |
| 16:54.22 | LaurenceRowe | qmailconfig failed |
| 16:54.23 | xoz | godzirra: look for (EE) |
| 16:54.25 | empty | elirips, No clue if it is automatic, but you can 'cp -a /boot/config-`uname -r` /usr/src/linux/.config' to start with the config used to build your current kernel |
| 16:54.34 | godzirra | xoz: no EE at all |
| 16:54.36 | greycat | LaurenceRowe: so? purge it. |
| 16:54.46 | LaurenceRowe | I have tried sudo dpkg --force-all --purge qmail, but that ends with the same result |
| 16:54.49 | elirips | greycat, okay,.. guess i'm going to use the config of 2.6.8 from debian as starting point. |
| 16:55.02 | greycat | !wikifaq LaurenceRowe MailQuestions |
| 16:55.04 | dpkg | LaurenceRowe: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/MailQuestions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:55.23 | empty | LaurenceRowe, I am willing to get flamed to help you out :P Purge it, then hit lifewithqmail.org and follow those directions |
| 16:55.31 | greycat | LaurenceRowe: is it being run from the pre-remove script or something? if so, edit or remove the prerm script. |
| 16:55.36 | xoz | LaurenceRowe: LaurenceRowe goto /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ... then remove qmail.* ... then goto try the purge command again... |
| 16:56.14 | empty | then find all the sendmail links and and dpkg-divert them, and change /etc/rc*.d/S*exim* ko K's instead of S's... |
| 16:56.21 | xoz | LaurenceRowe: try to reinstall it so that you can remove it in the normal way. |
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| 16:57.04 | empty | ugly? yes, but it works |
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| 16:57.49 | greycat | empty: he'd be better off just writing his own init.d scripts or using daemontools |
| 16:58.07 | greycat | empty: and we *do* have a FAQ page for this. |
| 16:58.13 | greycat | !wikifaq empty MailQuestions |
| 16:58.13 | dpkg | empty: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/MailQuestions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:58.23 | LaurenceRowe | thanks everyone |
| 16:58.36 | empty | daemontools is part of LWQ... |
| 16:58.39 | greycat | hmm, a bit bare. |
| 16:59.02 | Spec | the VMWare ESX server is confusing -- I don't see why people wouldn't want to just run debian + a hypervisor |
| 16:59.13 | empty | LWQ is a much much better way to do it as you will actually understand a bit about it afterwards |
| 16:59.20 | asg | Spec: PHBs like to spend money |
| 16:59.29 | Spec | yes, yes they do |
| 16:59.43 | chris__ | what's a hypervisor ? |
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| 16:59.53 | Spec | it's a program-thing that hypervises |
| 16:59.55 | asg | chris__: google for Xen |
| 17:00.03 | chris__ | oh like zen |
| 17:00.07 | Spec | or xen |
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| 17:00.12 | greycat | empty: and also #qmail will be able to support him afterward. we won't touch that debian crap. it doesn't even leave the source tree around.... |
| 17:00.13 | gigabytes | tarzeau, I sent a bug report to the bts for the kde package |
| 17:00.24 | twb__ | is there w a way to duplicate a partition onto anoter HDD? |
| 17:00.30 | Spec | twb__: yes |
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| 17:00.44 | twb__ | how? |
| 17:00.46 | Spec | twb__: many ways |
| 17:00.51 | twb__ | yummmm, dd? |
| 17:00.53 | Spec | twb__: dd |
| 17:00.55 | chris__ | the only advantages of esx i saw were support for virtual machines run on multiple processors (gsx can only one run virtual machine on one proc?) and p2v assistant |
| 17:01.09 | twb__ | have you ever dont it? |
| 17:01.14 | twb__ | done |
| 17:01.15 | Spec | twb__: if you want it cool-er, look into mondo/mindi, but that's more for backup/recovery of entire harddisks, not just one partition, but it could be just one partition |
| 17:01.34 | xoz | twb__: cp or parted |
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| 17:01.41 | Spec | umm, dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/dev/hdb3 bs=1024 |
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| 17:01.46 | godzirra | xoz: any ideas? |
| 17:02.01 | twb__ | well, i just a second 80 gig hdd, and all i want on it is m windows partition |
| 17:02.03 | godzirra | xoz: the only thing I can see that looks Bad (tm) is the Spurious ACK error. |
| 17:02.22 | xoz | godzirra: you have X before in this system? |
| 17:02.29 | godzirra | Yes... |
| 17:02.32 | godzirra | I was working with devfs |
| 17:02.42 | godzirra | and afteer making some changes there (many changes actually) I started having this problem |
| 17:02.52 | godzirra | its still running the same OS, and to my knowledge, none of teh X config has changed |
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| 17:04.16 | xoz | godzirra: can you disable devfs and use static /dev to check if devfs is the culprit? |
| 17:04.27 | godzirra | hmmm |
| 17:04.28 | godzirra | maybe? |
| 17:04.32 | Spec | meh; drinking coffee all day = pissing all day |
| 17:04.34 | godzirra | let me try booting it with devfs=nomount |
| 17:05.05 | xoz | godzirra: elimination... i think X config has no problem... it might be regarding tty/console/virtual console? |
| 17:05.13 | godzirra | I agree |
| 17:05.18 | godzirra | just not sure where |
| 17:05.33 | Spec | Is debian the closest GNU/Linux distrobution to GNU? |
| 17:05.41 | xoz | godzirra: check ... tty/vc/pts |
| 17:05.52 | godzirra | 1 sec, I just rebooted. |
| 17:05.59 | asg | Spec: according to RMS, some South American distro is. |
| 17:06.12 | EdibleText | godzirra, I just ran 'kbdrate' |
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| 17:06.19 | Spec | ah, i always assumed debian was for some reason |
| 17:06.21 | pipeline | asg: Conectiva? |
| 17:06.22 | EdibleText | godzirra, dmesg gave me Spurious ACK |
| 17:06.23 | godzirra | Yeah.. its not going to easily be fixed by changing back to normal /dev |
| 17:06.26 | empty | asg, do people still listen to him? |
| 17:06.27 | J_P | hi all |
| 17:06.38 | pipeline | empty: Not only do they listen, they pay him to talk. |
| 17:06.40 | godzirra | xoz: one sec and I'll check those things. |
| 17:06.47 | Spec | empty: he came to my LUG not too long ago and gave a presentation |
| 17:06.54 | empty | pipeline, what a strange world we live in |
| 17:06.55 | Spec | (for freee) |
| 17:06.58 | pngwn | pipeline, like he needs the money ;) |
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| 17:07.03 | caphuso | pipeline: no, ututo-e |
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| 17:07.41 | pipeline | pngwn: What? It's not like he's rich. |
| 17:07.42 | godzirra | EdibleText: well what does that mean? |
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| 17:08.02 | EdibleText | godzirra, hmm dunno.. ill strace it |
| 17:08.17 | pngwn | pipeline, did he manage to spend all he made from the free stock he got in the 90s? |
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| 17:08.37 | DaDave | hi all |
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| 17:08.41 | chris__ | Spec: what hypervisor would you run with vmware gsx ? |
| 17:08.49 | witless | grub-install /dev/sdb gives me "/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly"... any ideas? |
| 17:08.53 | godzirra | xoz: /dev/console works, as does /dev/vc# and /dev/tts |
| 17:08.54 | Spec | I don't know what GSX is, I only know workstation and ESX :p |
| 17:08.58 | Azar | would anyone could recommend a way to check my firewall rules, I would like to know I did not mess iptables... |
| 17:09.04 | Spec | I wouldn't run any vmware at all with a hypervisor though |
| 17:09.13 | DaDave | My PPPD dies after DSL 24h disconnect. is there a possibility to get PPPD restarted after peer hang up??? |
| 17:09.24 | chris__ | whynot |
| 17:09.29 | Spec | why would you? |
| 17:09.29 | asg | Spec: gsx requires a host os, esx comes with it's own custom linux-based host. |
| 17:09.34 | caphuso | DaDave: with the "persistant" option |
| 17:09.37 | asg | s/it's/its/ |
| 17:09.38 | xoz | godzirra: that spurious thing is a kernel message from a vague driver which i think is harmless... just a descendant of the old kernel tree |
| 17:09.41 | maher | is there a gnome way of issuing /etc/init.d/networking restart through point and click means? |
| 17:09.42 | godzirra | ok |
| 17:09.43 | Spec | so gsx is like esx sans linux :p |
| 17:09.49 | caphuso | err, persistent |
| 17:09.59 | xoz | godzirra: are you running with devfs disabled? |
| 17:10.02 | asg | Spec: or gsx requires you to have a host windows or linux to run it on. |
| 17:10.04 | empty | maher - try using sux |
| 17:10.12 | caphuso | DaDave: ah, no, it's just "persist" |
| 17:10.14 | Spec | asg: right, sans host, you need to provide your own for gsx |
| 17:10.19 | DaDave | caphuso: where do i have to set the option? /etc/ppp/options? |
| 17:10.19 | asg | Spec: right |
| 17:10.24 | godzirra | No, its not easily able to run with devfs enabled... it mounted it at boot time |
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| 17:10.25 | Spec | well, regardless, if I was usin a hypervisor there's no reason for vmware |
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| 17:10.37 | Spec | i'd hypervise multiple instances of linux and be happy.... |
| 17:10.39 | chris__ | yea.. |
| 17:10.45 | FarrisG | does turning off hyperthreading but still making use of dual procs require recompiling, or is there a stock debian kernel that will handle dual procs with disabled HT? |
| 17:10.46 | caphuso | DaDave: either that or in the /etc/ppp/peers/whatever file |
| 17:10.46 | Spec | hypervise being a new word, by the way |
| 17:10.52 | asg | Spec: unless your boss wanted some web-based management thingy, which esx has. |
| 17:11.05 | Spec | asg: he wants me to install esx just to check it out |
| 17:11.11 | maher | empty: umm... i want to tell my brother how to do that - currently i'm telling him to type it into a root terminal... |
| 17:11.16 | Spec | asg: we have spare hardware laying around...dual amd opteron |
| 17:11.20 | DaDave | caphuso: thanks very much! you saved me houhrs of searching... ;-) |
| 17:11.20 | xoz | godzirra: hmm. try devfs=nomount and edit /etc/default/devfsd |
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| 17:11.32 | godzirra | ok.. what do I put in /etc/default/devfsd? |
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| 17:11.41 | asg | Spec: we've not had much luck with it since it has issues with our san; I'm currently running UML on a san-booted debian host with no problems though. |
| 17:11.52 | Spec | asg: what's UML? |
| 17:11.57 | godzirra | xoz: ok, devfs is not mounted |
| 17:11.58 | asg | Spec: user-mode-linux |
| 17:12.02 | Spec | asg: oh, UML rocks |
| 17:12.03 | kondi_ | user mode linux |
| 17:12.04 | twb__ | ok, i know i've asked many many time, and i've googled but came up semi-empty, can someone please help with duplicating my windows partition onto a new HD? |
| 17:12.06 | DaDave | thanks alll. it was again a pleasure to be in here ;-) |
| 17:12.08 | DaDave | cu all |
| 17:12.17 | xoz | godzirra: MOUNT=no |
| 17:12.17 | EdibleText | copper? |
| 17:12.19 | Spec | asg: i used it a while ago, uml = chroot jailish? |
| 17:12.23 | kondi_ | use dd |
| 17:12.24 | `chris | twb__: do you know the name of your windows partition, eg /dev/hda3 ? |
| 17:12.34 | J_P | quitte: hello.. |
| 17:12.36 | twb__ | i think its hda1 |
| 17:12.36 | Spec | twb__: i told you how to do it |
| 17:12.49 | maher | twb__: ntfsclone / ntfsresize |
| 17:12.53 | asg | Spec: no, separate linux kernels running as userland programs using loopback mounted filesystems and arp spoofed network addressing. |
| 17:12.59 | twb__ | spec: you said dd. but im not familiar with Linux commands |
| 17:13.04 | Spec | twb__: man dd |
| 17:13.04 | godzirra | xoz: but I cant start x with devfs unmounted |
| 17:13.16 | Spec | asg: that's why i said ish :p |
| 17:13.20 | `chris | ok so dd is the program you want so dd if=existingpartition of=paritiononnewdrive bs=16k |
| 17:13.23 | Spec | asg: it's like a jail, isn't it? |
| 17:13.27 | xoz | godzirra: i think it's a devfs problem so make sure it is disabled and start X |
| 17:13.34 | `chris | eg dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 |
| 17:13.41 | asg | Spec: no, each instance has a seperate kernel; they don't share one. |
| 17:13.42 | xoz | godzirra: what's the error? |
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| 17:13.56 | Spec | asg: ohh, k |
| 17:14.01 | asg | Spec: also, no UML instance can access another one except through standard means (ssh, www, etc.) |
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| 17:14.03 | godzirra | Cannot open /dev/mem |
| 17:14.11 | twb__ | and that will put it on the other hd? sounds easy enough |
| 17:14.18 | twb__ | thanks chris |
| 17:14.25 | `chris | Spec: sorta, the UML enabled kernel can boot another linux instance in it's userspace |
| 17:14.26 | asg | Spec: it's just like vmware except a little less performant. |
| 17:14.26 | twb__ | and spec |
| 17:14.35 | Spec | So what's the advantage of UML over hypervising? |
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| 17:14.49 | `chris | hypervising is a more general term imho |
| 17:14.57 | `chris | uml is limited to linux ? |
| 17:14.57 | Spec | Xen, for example |
| 17:15.01 | asg | Spec: no kernel tweaks necessary, it UML instances run in userland |
| 17:15.20 | Spec | any performance difference? |
| 17:15.22 | asg | s/it // |
| 17:15.29 | asg | Spec: yes, UML is much slower |
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| 17:15.37 | Spec | ah, okay, that's what i was guessing |
| 17:15.41 | xoz | godzirra: cd /dev ... MAKEDEV std as root |
| 17:15.49 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.08 | obsmav | how to i add things to do on boot up, and remove others (dhclient on boot)? |
| 17:16.23 | Spec | obsmav: man rc-update |
| 17:16.26 | asg | jasoncohen: RFC breaking MTA Rewrite Hackery (tm) |
| 17:16.26 | godzirra | xoz: one sec..lemme get MAKEDEV on there |
| 17:16.31 | Spec | !rc-update |
| 17:16.38 | Spec | maybe it's rc-update.d |
| 17:16.44 | Spec | or update-rc.d, i'm not sure, :p |
| 17:16.58 | obsmav | Spec, No manual entry for rc-update |
| 17:17.00 | Spec | !update-rc.d |
| 17:17.00 | dpkg | hmm... update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d vmware defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f vmware remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process |
| 17:17.06 | jasoncohen | asg, ? |
| 17:17.09 | Spec | i'm cixelsyd apparantly |
| 17:17.11 | empty | spec it's update-rc.d |
| 17:17.29 | xoz | obsmav: edit the symlink in your /etc/rc2.d |
| 17:17.40 | Spec | why does dpkg give an example with vmware and not something opensource? o.O |
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| 17:17.50 | asg | jasoncohen: your MTA will likely need to rewrite the headers (unless you want to hack cron-apt) |
| 17:18.21 | J_P | anyone here use motherboard ASUS P4P800E-Deluxe with more than 1 HD ? |
| 17:18.22 | obsmav | xoz, wich sim |
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| 17:18.25 | asg | Spec: someone added that to the factoid, you could change it if you wanted to |
| 17:18.33 | obsmav | xoz, that folder for me has a bunch of files in it |
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| 17:18.46 | Spec | asg: how? |
| 17:18.51 | asg | Spec: /msg dpkg help |
| 17:18.55 | Spec | i thought you needed permissions to change dpkg |
| 17:19.38 | jasoncohen | asg, how would i go about doing that? can i add an alias for root in /etc/aliases so that the mail appears to be coming from say jason@brandeis.edu rather than root@brandeis.edu? |
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| 17:19.49 | asg | jasoncohen: what mta are you using? |
| 17:19.53 | jasoncohen | postfix |
| 17:20.03 | xoz | obsmav: those files that start with S are symlinked to /etc/init.d/ files ... if you want to start a daemon in /etc/init.d/<file> ... just create a symlink S<no><file> in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 17:20.33 | xoz | obsmav: try to study the contents of /etc/rc2.d/ ... |
| 17:20.36 | obsmav | xoz, and to remove, just remove the symlink ? |
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| 17:21.00 | asg | jasoncohen: you'll need to use a canonical map to do the fixup iirc. |
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| 17:21.07 | asg | jasoncohen: ask #postfix |
| 17:21.13 | jasoncohen | thanks asg |
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| 17:21.31 | maher | does anyone have an alcatel speedtouch usb adsl modem and can they get it work onboot? |
| 17:21.34 | xoz | obsmav: yep.. man boot |
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| 17:21.40 | DaDave | hi all |
| 17:21.42 | quitte | J_P: hi. |
| 17:22.15 | Spec | !update-rc.d |
| 17:22.15 | dpkg | from memory, update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process |
| 17:22.34 | Spec | whee. |
| 17:22.38 | asg | !win Spec |
| 17:22.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, Spec! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 17:22.44 | Spec | yay |
| 17:22.54 | Spec | i only have 120 months to live? o.O |
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| 17:23.06 | asg | Spec: time-life, not lifetime |
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| 17:23.13 | Spec | ah, good. |
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| 17:23.22 | Spec | I wouldnt' want to die due to low-AOL-cd amounts |
| 17:23.34 | godzirra | xoz: Ok.. now I get an error saying: login: ERror 14, errno 2: No such file or directory" |
| 17:23.50 | xoz | update-rc.d is no a good solution... file-rc is much easier to manage |
| 17:23.58 | xoz | *not* |
| 17:24.02 | godzirra | ahh IU know why that happens |
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| 17:24.14 | asg | !bsdsmite xoz |
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| 17:24.53 | xoz | !oSXsmite me |
| 17:25.10 | caphuso | file-rc isn't anything like BSD |
| 17:25.39 | greycat | freenode is massively lagging for me. I get less than 1 sec. delay over the ssh tunnel to home, but I'm seeing "Lag: 54 (??)" and growing, every hour or so. |
| 17:25.58 | xoz | !info file-rc |
| 17:26.01 | asg | no LAG here |
| 17:26.01 | dpkg | file-rc: (Alternative boot mechanism using a single configuration file), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.8.7 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
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| 17:27.18 | xoz | godzirra: status? |
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| 17:27.24 | godzirra | 1 sec |
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| 17:28.31 | xlulux | how many of my fellow debians use apt-build instead of apt-get |
| 17:28.32 | f0ssi | hi guys |
| 17:28.41 | Atula | how do I get rid of the user list on the right of xChat? |
| 17:28.54 | asg | caphuso: yeah, I utterly failed to read the relevant parts of the Description. |
| 17:29.18 | chrysopa | how to make my system to work fine with UTF-8 and ISO8859? |
| 17:29.20 | Atula | xlulux, what's the different between apt-build and apt-get? |
| 17:29.22 | cmihai | Hm... Falcon's Eye seems to freeze out on me.... grr |
| 17:29.24 | chrysopa | It is possible? |
| 17:29.52 | xlulux | atula: apt-build build the programs from source and apt-get downloads the binaries and installs them as such |
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| 17:29.58 | f0ssi | I have a Problem guys. My Debian Server is lagging so hard, But when i restart it the problem is solved ... for some time |
| 17:29.59 | zetabug_ | ls |
| 17:30.01 | cmihai | Just after I pick the character, etc. :( |
| 17:30.29 | chrysopa | some programs like inkscape only save with UTF-8 coding, but My system is ISO8859 coding, how to make it to work |
| 17:30.32 | EdibleText | !ls |
| 17:30.32 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 17:30.35 | greycat | f0ssi: vmstat, top, iostat, etc. |
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| 17:30.45 | Spec | !dir |
| 17:30.45 | dpkg | wrong OS, foo |
| 17:30.46 | greycat | f0ssi: and dmesg. |
| 17:30.53 | Spec | !rm -rf * |
| 17:31.01 | Spec | aww |
| 17:31.02 | greycat | coreutils: /bin/dir |
| 17:31.06 | Eulex | f0ssi, !rm -rf / |
| 17:31.07 | xlulux | the reason i asked is that apt-build is giving me errors when i add the "march" setting in the apt-build.conf, do any of you have this problem? |
| 17:31.18 | godzirra | xoz: I get it to run my calibration for my touchscreen, but once it does that, instead of coming back to the console like it normally does, it just sits at a black screen |
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| 17:31.20 | Eulex | oh, not f0ssi |
| 17:31.21 | godzirra | troubleshooting that now |
| 17:31.26 | Eulex | !rm -rf / |
| 17:31.39 | Eulex | anyway, not gonna spam more :) |
| 17:31.43 | furrywolf | !listkeys rm |
| 17:31.45 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rm' by key (15 of 196): abnormal ;; announce permasunday ;; disinformation ;; drm ;; eterm ;; formula 1 ;; grmbl ;; it#s just a fact that germans ;; karma hoxu ;; lprm ;; openfirmware ;; rms ;; sendto: operation not permitted ;; slurm ;; stormix. |
| 17:31.51 | xoz | godzirra: X is now working? |
| 17:31.51 | Spec | !permasunday |
| 17:31.52 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 17:31.56 | furrywolf | !listkeys rm -rf |
| 17:31.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rm -rf' by key (1): (`rm -rf /`). |
| 17:31.59 | godzirra | xoz: nope.. apparently not |
| 17:32.04 | f0ssi | greycat: i also get the following message in the kern.log: |
| 17:32.04 | godzirra | still fails saying can't find /dev/mem |
| 17:32.06 | furrywolf | hrmm |
| 17:32.09 | Spec | that's weird |
| 17:32.11 | godzirra | and MAKEDEV doesnt know how to make device "mem" |
| 17:32.12 | Spec | !'rm -rf /' |
| 17:32.16 | godzirra | I assume its a devfs thing? |
| 17:32.19 | cmihai | Is anyone having trouble with Falconseye? |
| 17:32.21 | Spec | damn you dpkg, damn you! |
| 17:32.24 | f0ssi | NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 17:32.26 | f0ssi | etc |
| 17:32.27 | greycat | Spec: those are backticks. |
| 17:32.29 | asg | cmihai: the bts would know |
| 17:32.31 | furrywolf | dpkg: rm -rf / |
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| 17:32.40 | greycat | f0ssi: what NIC? RTL8139? |
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| 17:32.49 | f0ssi | how can i check it ? |
| 17:32.51 | Spec | greycat: indeed! |
| 17:32.55 | xlulux | furrywolf: careful with that hehe |
| 17:32.57 | spamalope | does sarge not come with ifconfig? |
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| 17:33.01 | cmihai | asg: good point.. |
| 17:33.02 | EdibleText | heh |
| 17:33.07 | Spec | okay...that was odd :p |
| 17:33.12 | godzirra | xoz: not sure what to do with it at this point... |
| 17:33.13 | asg | spamalope: it's in /sbin |
| 17:33.17 | greycat | Spec: what the hell did you do? |
| 17:33.23 | spamalope | gotta fix my path |
| 17:33.24 | Spec | err, what you saw :p |
| 17:33.25 | spamalope | asg: thx |
| 17:33.32 | Spec | i did "!`rm -rf /`" |
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| 17:33.41 | zetabug_ | all this started by a 3 yr old typing ls.. |
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| 17:33.59 | xoz | godzirra: did you try MAKEDEV std? |
| 17:33.59 | xoz | godzirra: MAKEDEV std creates mem. |
| 17:34.04 | godzirra | It didnt for me |
| 17:34.08 | Spec | apparantly weird things happen? |
| 17:34.10 | cmihai | Well, nope :( |
| 17:34.18 | f0ssi | greycat: how can i check which one i have ? |
| 17:34.19 | Azar | Spec and what that CTCP ment ? |
| 17:34.26 | greycat | 13:34 CTCP VERSION reply from Spec: xchat 2.0.10c Windows 5.0 [i1586/2.39GHz] |
| 17:34.31 | Spec | I didn't issue any CTCP commands o.O |
| 17:34.39 | greycat | windows xchat has a "feature" that converts !` into /ctcp ? |
| 17:34.42 | marienz | irssi thinks you did :) |
| 17:34.43 | greycat | maybe? |
| 17:34.44 | godzirra | ahh.. |
| 17:34.45 | Spec | err |
| 17:34.46 | greycat | Spec: you did. |
| 17:34.48 | godzirra | I didnt remake stuff after MAKEDEV |
| 17:34.50 | godzirra | one sec |
| 17:35.00 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.00 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:35.15 | Spec | okay, i'm just confused now :) |
| 17:35.28 | Spec | can someone else try that command and see if it's xchat-windows related? |
| 17:35.29 | furrywolf | !lart chipmunk-analog for crashing if you try to use diodes anywhere in your circuit |
| 17:37.08 | godzirra | xoz: It fails saying things like this: xterm: no available ptys: No such file or directory |
| 17:37.20 | Spec | dpkg should be built with cowsay support |
| 17:37.36 | Spec | but i can see that being abused :p |
| 17:37.39 | xoz | godzirra: that's it. did you compile your own kernel? |
| 17:37.51 | f0ssi | greycat: Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. Ethernet Controller (rev 116). |
| 17:37.53 | asg | Spec: the bot is abused enough as it is |
| 17:37.59 | godzirra | Nope. I used an existing projects kernel. |
| 17:38.07 | godzirra | xoz: and it worked before I started playing with devfs :/ |
| 17:38.09 | godzirra | thats why this sucks sobad. |
| 17:38.20 | godzirra | I was playing with devfs to get sound working, and I got sound working and broke X apparently |
| 17:38.43 | godzirra | xoz: And that may be the problem now, but how do I find out what the problem is under devfs? |
| 17:38.45 | Spec | godzirra: at least sound works... :p |
| 17:38.46 | xoz | godzirra: the problem is that X needs dynamic creation of pty |
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| 17:38.57 | godzirra | Right.. but I dont get that error when I'm using devfs |
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| 17:39.09 | xoz | godzirra: make sure devfs created pty dynamically... look for compat |
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| 17:39.24 | EdibleText | godzirra, is this related to the spurious ACK |
| 17:39.27 | godzirra | If it didnt create them dynamically, then the server would die with the same error its dying with now... |
| 17:39.34 | godzirra | EdibleText: I think the spurious ACK was a redh herring. |
| 17:39.42 | EdibleText | godzirra, yes.. |
| 17:39.46 | Spec | perhaps it was blue |
| 17:39.54 | Eulex | if dpkg had cowsay support, he would be kicked if anyone requested a cowsay :) |
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| 17:40.02 | Spec | hehe |
| 17:40.04 | xoz | godzirra: compat_symlinks or any directive to create ptys |
| 17:40.23 | godzirra | xoz: How do I tell? But like I said before.. if devfs didnt have it, it would die with the same error... |
| 17:40.35 | Spec | maybe he could generate temp internet pages and paste links :p |
| 17:40.37 | xoz | godzirra: /etc/devfs/ |
| 17:40.55 | xoz | godzirra: you have to configure it so that ptys are dynmically created |
| 17:41.17 | godzirra | by typing in caompat_symlinks in the devfsd.conf? |
| 17:41.19 | godzirra | compat |
| 17:41.20 | godzirra | even |
| 17:41.45 | xoz | godzirra: grep pty /etc/devfs/* |
| 17:41.53 | godzirra | I dont have a /etc/devfs/ |
| 17:42.08 | godzirra | in my /etc/devfsd.conf though I have REGISTER pty/.* MKOLDCOMPAT |
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| 17:43.37 | xoz | godzirra: do you have a backup of your previous devfsd.conf? or maybe copy from another machine? |
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| 17:43.46 | godzirra | Previously I didnt even have a devfsd.conf |
| 17:43.51 | Spec | hehe |
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| 17:45.05 | xoz | godzirra: i think you have to disable that statement. |
| 17:45.13 | deepfrze | I need help in finding messages that come up on my screen during a boot. They are warning messages about "find" useage. I get a strange message when I run 'find / -depth -iname xx' referring to the file system, however when I boot I get a message that says something about usage of -depth. |
| 17:45.26 | godzirra | disable which statement? |
| 17:45.28 | xoz | godzirra: try this: REGISTER ^pty/s.* PERMISSIONS -1.tty 0620 |
| 17:45.30 | godzirra | ok |
| 17:45.41 | godzirra | what is the .tty? |
| 17:45.47 | deepfrze | I have checked all logs, but cannot find the messages that show up during boot |
| 17:45.52 | godzirra | Is that a group? |
| 17:46.45 | PDani | which is more secure? rsa or dsa? |
| 17:46.50 | greycat | deepfrze: what is the strange message? |
| 17:47.00 | caphuso | the one bootclean.sh spits out |
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| 17:47.08 | deepfrze | greycat: I paste it |
| 17:47.14 | godzirra | xoz: I only have root as the only user on that box. |
| 17:47.16 | caphuso | (IIRC) |
| 17:47.22 | deepfrze | greycat: it's a short one |
| 17:47.24 | cmihai | Just wondering, does Falconseye actually work for somebody? |
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| 17:47.48 | jair | anyone here remember the apt-get package to install all the other printer drivers on cupsys debian sarge stable?? |
| 17:47.55 | greycat | PDani: I doubt anyone here is qualified to answer that |
| 17:47.56 | deepfrze | greycat: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc/1/task: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver. |
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| 17:48.12 | greycat | deepfrze: you should never descend into /proc with find |
| 17:48.22 | greycat | deepfrze: There Be Dragons |
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| 17:48.30 | xoz | godzirra: don't worry, just copy that statement and reboot |
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| 17:48.40 | godzirra | IT won't fail because I dont have a tty group? |
| 17:48.40 | godzirra | ok |
| 17:48.54 | Eulex | !tell jair about printer |
| 17:49.14 | deepfrze | greycat: okay, but why is the information message printed out when I boot? |
| 17:49.26 | greycat | deepfrze: dunno. what script is it in? |
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| 17:49.37 | EdibleText | cmihai, Falconseye worked for me las t I tried. invoking from menu? try invoking from terminal |
| 17:49.43 | xoz | godzirra: REGISTER ^pts/.* PERMISSIONS -1.tty 0620 |
| 17:49.43 | deepfrze | greycat: script? |
| 17:49.52 | greycat | *thud* *thud* *thud* |
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| 17:50.01 | deepfrze | greycat: just running from the command line |
| 17:50.03 | xoz | godzirra: REGISTER ^pty/s.* PERMISSIONS -1.tty 0620 |
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| 17:50.09 | greycat | deepfrze: at. boot. |
| 17:50.14 | godzirra | pts or pty/s? |
| 17:50.16 | godzirra | or both? |
| 17:50.23 | xoz | godzirra: both |
| 17:50.25 | godzirra | ok |
| 17:50.39 | deepfrze | greycat: oh, no, it flashes by when I am in the boot process... |
| 17:50.43 | xoz | godzirra: check if you have these statements already. |
| 17:50.46 | godzirra | I dont |
| 17:50.55 | godzirra | this is the only one i had |
| 17:50.56 | godzirra | #REGISTER pty/.* MKOLDCOMPAT |
| 17:50.59 | greycat | deepfrze: YOU ARE ROOT! |
| 17:51.01 | jair | Eulex, but that do not answer my question my friend, it is a command or package the install a serie of drivers for cupsys. I already install the default ones. |
| 17:51.02 | greycat | ACT like it! |
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| 17:51.06 | godzirra | (And yes, it wasnt commented until I added yours) |
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| 17:51.09 | greycat | find the script that runs the offending command! |
| 17:51.11 | xoz | godzirra: then, add it and disable that MKOLDCOMPT |
| 17:51.14 | godzirra | k |
| 17:51.18 | godzirra | rebooting hte client now |
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| 17:51.25 | cmihai | EdibleText: I did. It freezes. I can't even kill it on the terminal (Control + c does nothing, and closing the terminal does nothing. XKill won't even kill the process). It does that right after I pick the character class. But now that won't work also. It starts and quits with "Too many hacks running now" |
| 17:51.30 | cmihai | I mean, wtf. There's not |
| 17:51.38 | jair | Eulex, never mind I got it ;) |
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| 17:51.46 | deepfrze | greycat: what? |
| 17:51.48 | cmihai | There is no "nethack" process running, or anything else of that kind. I even rebooted, same thing. |
| 17:51.57 | Eulex | jair, it states "easy to set up using foomatic-gui", so I though that would be it |
| 17:52.03 | maher | deepfrze: grep find /etc/ini.d/* |
| 17:52.05 | jair | which one is the forum for cups? |
| 17:52.05 | godzirra | mmm nethack\ |
| 17:52.10 | maher | deepfrze: grep find /etc/init.d/* |
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| 17:52.14 | jair | ohh ok |
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| 17:52.32 | EdibleText | cmihai, weird. worked on sarge while still testing.. what are you running? |
| 17:52.37 | jair | Eulex, but that gui thing will allow me get the fomatic db drivers and is agui to install the printers? |
| 17:52.45 | cmihai | I tried running Falconseye as different users, and took out the sound from the config. Can't find anything else. |
| 17:52.46 | EdibleText | cmihai, grep find /etc/init.d/*|grep depth |
| 17:52.51 | xoz | greycat: or check in the cron files |
| 17:53.11 | godzirra | xoz: forgot to take out the nomount |
| 17:53.13 | godzirra | rebootiung again |
| 17:53.13 | jair | Eulex, got it my friend thank you very much. |
| 17:53.14 | maher | deepfrze: its probably bootclean.sh - i get those errors but have just ignored them... |
| 17:53.32 | xoz | godzirra: edit /etc/default/devfs |
| 17:53.39 | godzirra | I have no /etc/default/devfs |
| 17:53.52 | godzirra | just /etc/devfs.conf |
| 17:54.04 | xoz | godzirra: /etc/default/devfsd |
| 17:54.05 | EdibleText | cmihai, strace it. it may cough up something good before it borks |
| 17:54.11 | Eulex | jair, I dunno, I've in fact never set up printers in linux, just heard people talk about that thing |
| 17:54.14 | cmihai | Work in progress... |
| 17:54.15 | godzirra | I have no /etc/default |
| 17:54.21 | deepfrze | maher: greycat I see a bunch of bootclean.sh , so that's what's putting out the messages? |
| 17:54.36 | xoz | godzirra: ok... so just disable the nomount option |
| 17:54.37 | cmihai | It borks just after I select the class and such, and is supposed to tell me why I must find the amulet... |
| 17:54.46 | greycat | I don't see any "-depth" or "find" (other than ``You may find more information in syslog...'') in /var/log/boot |
| 17:54.46 | godzirra | I did |
| 17:54.53 | xoz | godzirra: are you running sarge or sid? |
| 17:55.01 | greycat | bootclean.sh doesn't change $PATH and find(1) on sarge is documented to have a -depth switch |
| 17:55.06 | xoz | godzirra: i think you are not running debian |
| 17:55.16 | godzirra | xoz: I'm running a very hacked version of debian. |
| 17:55.18 | caphuso | greycat: it's the new find in sid |
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| 17:55.25 | godzirra | xoz: Its a medialess client that boots from tftp. |
| 17:55.27 | greycat | caphuso: OH... a *sid* user. |
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| 17:55.40 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 17:55.41 | dpkg | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 17:55.42 | cmihai | umh.. write(1, "Message was: No write permission"..., 69Message was: No write permission to lock /var/games/falconseye/perm! |
| 17:55.45 | greycat | !smite deepfrze |
| 17:55.51 | godzirra | xoz: and adding the lines you said to add didnt change the way it crashes :/ |
| 17:56.03 | Eulex | hehe |
| 17:56.04 | maher | greycat: caphuso deepfrze bug #314351: initscripts: bootclean.sh seems broken |
| 17:56.10 | deepfrze | greycat: thanks, I needed that |
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| 17:56.16 | caphuso | greycat: or maybe testing, don't know if it entered etch yet |
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| 17:56.19 | EdibleText | cmihai, looks promising |
| 17:56.29 | caphuso | maher: 19:47 caphuso> the one bootclean.sh spits out |
| 17:56.41 | caphuso | i've already done my homework... |
| 17:56.45 | cmihai | EdibleText: not really. I just ran it as r00t. |
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| 17:56.56 | EdibleText | heh |
| 17:57.02 | greycat | my god. you didn't even QUOTE US THE ERROR PROPERLY. |
| 17:57.02 | deepfrze | maher: greycat thanks... |
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| 17:57.07 | greycat | Didn't you enabled bootlogd or ANYTHING? |
| 17:57.09 | greycat | GAHHH!!! |
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| 17:57.19 | greycat | Why do I expect anything from the people here? |
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| 17:57.26 | maher | caphuso: sorry - i missed that |
| 17:57.32 | Ronin` | lol another tempertantrum i see |
| 17:57.49 | Spec | It's because greycat is misguided |
| 17:57.57 | Spec | he shouldn't expect anything from people here :p |
| 17:58.00 | deepfrze | greycat: what are you mumbling about? |
| 17:58.07 | asg | Spec: no, 6 or 7 years of this place will do that to you |
| 17:58.13 | Spec | hehe |
| 17:58.14 | caphuso | deepfrze: the stupidity of people like you |
| 17:58.39 | cmihai | Well, I've tried just about anything, and am willing to give up. Back to good old NetHack from Emacs :( |
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| 17:58.54 | deepfrze | caphuso: I thought that much, but I don't understand the problem with explaining the error? |
| 17:59.19 | godzirra | xoz: So what now> |
| 17:59.20 | caphuso | deepfrze: it's because you are not using stable when you are clearly not competent enough to use anything else |
| 17:59.25 | EdibleText | deepfrze, you *copy* the error. explanations leave room for interpritation |
| 17:59.36 | deepfrze | caphuso: I pasted the warning from the find command |
| 17:59.58 | maher | deepfrze: why dont' you just ignore it and will get fixed at some point |
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| 18:00.55 | deepfrze | caphuso: the other warnings that I see on boot go by so fast I can't really read them, but they are about useage of the find command -depth |
| 18:01.17 | caphuso | deepfrze: you've said that already |
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| 18:01.56 | EdibleText | deepfrze, dmesg. does that shor the boot msg |
| 18:02.02 | EdibleText | shor/show |
| 18:02.05 | caphuso | EdibleText: no |
| 18:02.31 | Atula | ??????????????? |
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| 18:03.06 | deepfrze | maher: thanks for your help |
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| 18:03.20 | deepfrze | maher: I appreciate it |
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| 18:04.29 | mrwoody | does anyone know why it takes very long (~ 1 min) to open the file directory window with any gtk application ? |
| 18:05.00 | godzirra | xoz: so any ideas? |
| 18:05.03 | valdyn | mrwoody: always? a certain directory? |
| 18:05.29 | mrwoody | valdyn: well I think it is mostly for the home directory... but basically it happens before I can see the directoriewa |
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| 18:05.39 | simonrvn | wtf, it connected? cool |
| 18:05.45 | mrwoody | valdyn: e.g. firefox has this problem |
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| 18:06.03 | mrwoody | but any gtk application would have this problem |
| 18:06.20 | valdyn | mrwoody: go the that directory in a shell and try "time ls" |
| 18:06.30 | valdyn | mrwoody: go to that directory in a shell and try "time ls" |
| 18:06.34 | gigglebug | I'm tryning to get a zen micro to work, how do I get it to detect? |
| 18:06.48 | kbrooks | Uh. |
| 18:07.07 | mrwoody | valdyn: no... I only have that problem with gtk |
| 18:07.12 | simonrvn | though this is still from a box on the LAN, not the box i need to fix. which doesn't really matter anyway, we should be getting our dsl back by tomorrow (hopefully, if not, i'm making angry phone calls) |
| 18:07.15 | mrwoody | valdyn: I use my home all the time |
| 18:07.52 | valdyn | mrwoody: firefox may look like gtk2 but its file chooser isnt the gtk2 filechooser |
| 18:08.09 | mrwoody | valdyn: then what does it use? |
| 18:08.26 | valdyn | mrwoody: its own filechooser. |
| 18:08.43 | mrwoody | valdyn: ok. But I don't have this problem with mc |
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| 18:08.57 | valdyn | mrwoody: try an app using the gtk2 file chooser? |
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| 18:09.52 | mrwoody | valdyn: I have been using glabels... have same problem |
| 18:10.08 | valdyn | mrwoody: also do an "ls -a | wc -l" or just tell how many files you have in there.. |
| 18:10.19 | mrwoody | valdyn: wait..; I think also mc has this problem |
| 18:10.20 | xoz | godzirra: it's a waste time because you are not running debian. you should be asking to the company that developed that hacked debian. |
| 18:10.28 | mrwoody | valdyn: only with the home directory... very strange |
| 18:10.39 | valdyn | mrwoody: how many files? |
| 18:10.48 | mrwoody | valdyn: 399 |
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| 18:11.01 | mrwoody | valdyn: not a lot since it is an home directory (a lot of .files) |
| 18:11.31 | valdyn | mrwoody: yea, it doesnt seem to be directly related your the number of files you got there.. |
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| 18:11.50 | mrwoody | valdyn: ls has no problems |
| 18:11.53 | valdyn | mrwoody: now how is "ls" doing there? equally slow? |
| 18:11.54 | mrwoody | valdyn: but mc does |
| 18:12.06 | mrwoody | valdyn: no ls is very fast |
| 18:12.18 | mrwoody | valdyn: ls -la is very slow |
| 18:12.35 | mrwoody | valdyn: ls -a is fast |
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| 18:12.38 | mrwoody | valdyn: very strange |
| 18:13.01 | godzirra | xoz: Umm. ok. Just because its a very minimal version of debian I guess that makes it something else entirely and I shouldnt ask for help here. |
| 18:13.12 | valdyn | mrwoody: no idea, which kind of fs is it? |
| 18:13.19 | mrwoody | valdyn: ext3 |
| 18:13.27 | mrwoody | valdyn: very weird, right? |
| 18:13.48 | caphuso | mrwoody: what does "ls -a | wc -l" say? |
| 18:14.08 | mrwoody | caphuso: 399 |
| 18:14.15 | mrwoody | caphuso: in the home directory |
| 18:14.38 | caphuso | mrwoody: anything weird in "dmesg | tail -20"? |
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| 18:15.14 | mrwoody | caphuso: no |
| 18:15.28 | godzirra | xoz: I'll move my devfsd.conf to /etc/default/devfs if that makes it better. |
| 18:15.31 | caphuso | mrwoody: that's indeed quite weird |
| 18:15.34 | caphuso | godzirra: no |
| 18:15.34 | mrwoody | caphuso: very |
| 18:15.37 | godzirra | Its debian with a bunch of parts removed to fit in a flash slim client. |
| 18:15.44 | godzirra | err. ramdisked slim client. |
| 18:15.48 | valdyn | sounds like a kernel or hardware problem to me, but i have no idea what exactly it could be, maybe strace ls |
| 18:15.58 | valdyn | s/ls/ls -al" |
| 18:16.02 | valdyn | s/ls/ls -al/ |
| 18:16.10 | xoz | godzirra: don't play with it. better go to the support center of your system. |
| 18:16.13 | mrwoody | caphuso: somehow my filesystem has some problems... any check up that I can do? |
| 18:16.28 | mrwoody | caphuso: time ls -la -> real 0m30.667s |
| 18:16.32 | caphuso | mrwoody: valdyn's strace suggestion is a good starting point |
| 18:16.45 | jasoncohen | asg, thanks, i setup a canoncial map to alter sender/recipient email address from root@brandeis.edu to jason@brandeis.edu and it works great. |
| 18:16.47 | mrwoody | caphuso: time ls -a -> real 0m0.099s |
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| 18:17.01 | valdyn | mrwoody: shot into the dark would be that your harddisk is having problems, but that is just a guess. |
| 18:17.04 | mrwoody | caphuso: strace ls? |
| 18:17.08 | caphuso | mrwoody: yeah |
| 18:17.18 | mrwoody | I have no idea on how to read that |
| 18:17.20 | asg | jasoncohen: :) |
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| 18:17.41 | mrwoody | getxattr("Pianta.dxf", "system.posix_acl_access", 0x0, 0) = -1 EOPNOTSUPP (Operation not supported) |
| 18:17.42 | jasoncohen | just got an email from brandeis ITS saying they're not seeing any more bounced messages now |
| 18:17.46 | mrwoody | I get a lot of these |
| 18:17.47 | godzirra | xoz: there is no support center for my system. I took debian and removed parts so it would fit in a ramdisk. If I had a support system I wouldnt be asking here :) |
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| 18:18.05 | mrwoody | caphuso: valdyn: with strace ls -l I get a lot of errors like getxattr("Pianta.dxf", "system.posix_acl_access", 0x0, 0) = -1 EOPNOTSUPP (Operation not supported) |
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| 18:18.27 | mrwoody | caphuso: valdyn: does it mean anything to you? |
| 18:18.39 | valdyn | mrwoody: that is not a problem |
| 18:18.46 | mrwoody | valdyn: what does that mean? |
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| 18:19.04 | dfd | Hello. I need help.. i'm connected here from telnet from debian sarge netinst cdrom.. i cant install grub cause i got an error with apt-get |
| 18:19.10 | caphuso | mrwoody: try 'strace -c ls -la 2>&1 > /dev/null | pager' and tell me what it spent most time with |
| 18:19.17 | mrwoody | valdyn: it always stops for a while after those errors |
| 18:19.32 | valdyn | mrwoody: those arent errors, ignore it |
| 18:19.42 | dfd | the error is about stream input/output.. |
| 18:19.49 | mrwoody | caphuso: I don't see anything if I do that |
| 18:20.06 | caphuso | huh? |
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| 18:20.17 | mrwoody | caphuso: it becomes white |
| 18:20.23 | caphuso | mrwoody: what shell are you using? |
| 18:20.35 | mrwoody | caphuso: bash |
| 18:20.39 | gigglebug | what package is required for ripping to mp3 from sound-juicer |
| 18:20.50 | caphuso | mrwoody: ok, and just 'strace -c ls -la'? |
| 18:21.00 | valdyn | mrwoody: example output on #flood |
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| 18:21.13 | mrwoody | caphuso: it works... it stops at the beginning and then it starts the output |
| 18:21.19 | mrwoody | valdyn: ok I will see you in #flood |
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| 18:22.28 | mrwoody | valdyn: caphuso : ok if I do strace -c ls -la it stops for a while and then after that it gives me : |
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| 18:22.30 | mrwoody | ls: tmp: Input/output error |
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| 18:22.52 | caphuso | there's your problem |
| 18:23.05 | mrwoody | caphuso: any idea what it means? |
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| 18:23.43 | caphuso | mrwoody: that ls encountered an input/output error when trying to read "tmp" |
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| 18:24.02 | valdyn | mrwoody: ls -al tmp" |
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| 18:24.04 | caphuso | hardware problem, most likely |
| 18:24.12 | valdyn | mrwoody: "ls -l tmp" |
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| 18:24.17 | mrwoody | caphuso: ok... tmp is a samba directory |
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| 18:24.40 | caphuso | uh, some kind of network problem |
| 18:24.42 | valdyn | mrwoody: which is mounted but the server is offline? |
| 18:25.07 | mrwoody | valdyn: not at this moment |
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| 18:25.20 | mrwoody | valdyn: I mean now i am trying to umount it |
| 18:25.43 | valdyn | mrwoody: try "df" it should get stuck too |
| 18:25.48 | mrwoody | valdyn: caphuso yes that was my problem |
| 18:26.16 | mrwoody | valdyn: caphuso: that is still quite strange though... since I am only doing ls -la |
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| 18:26.52 | mrwoody | I guess I shouldn't use samba |
| 18:27.17 | valdyn | mrwoody: thats the usual thing smbfs does when the share becomes unavailable. |
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| 18:28.31 | Apophis- | hi |
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| 18:29.55 | Morti | How do I install an initrd image to go alongside a kernel image I made? |
| 18:30.00 | Morti | One of the .deb ones |
| 18:30.19 | asg | Morti: pass --initrd to make-kpkg |
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| 18:30.43 | Morti | asg: I did. What did it do? |
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| 18:31.02 | asg | Morti: dpkg -c ../your-kernel.deb (make sure it created one) |
| 18:31.27 | Morti | Yeah. |
| 18:31.50 | asg | Morti: then dpkg -i ../your-kernel.deb (follow the instructions, tweak bootloader configs as necessary) |
| 18:32.15 | Morti | And the initrd will be in there? |
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| 18:32.30 | Morti | I'll be installing the kernel image on another machine, y'see. |
| 18:32.34 | asg | Morti: yes, dpkg -c <deb> will show you where it will be installed (usually /boot) |
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| 18:33.01 | asg | Morti: copy the deb to the other machine, follow the instructions above |
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| 18:33.25 | Morti | Cool. Ta. |
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| 18:36.39 | jaqque | okay, i ordered the orinoco 8470-FC card, only to find out that it has the atheros chipset, not the real orinoco of the classic gold (which, however, does not do 802.11g). is there any hope of getting this card to work under sarge? or am i destined to damn this thing as i have damned for eternity all prism2 cards? |
| 18:36.42 | gnat_x | can what's dpkg's word for changing root through single user mode? |
| 18:37.04 | asg | gnat_x: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 18:37.29 | gnat_x | asg: thanks |
| 18:38.25 | amorphix | hi, can someone help me out with using tar, im trying to make a backup of a directory tree but want to exclude 3 sub directories, i tried: tar -cf --exclude="dir1 dir2 dir3" directory/* archive.tar but it gaves errors and failed to make archive |
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| 18:39.04 | S0n1 | somebody howto for pop-before-smtp in postfix ???? |
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| 18:39.10 | asg | amorphix: info tar ; /exclude |
| 18:39.17 | jasoncohen | does grub support booting off a LVM root partition? |
| 18:39.18 | amorphix | thanks |
| 18:39.18 | MaxeyPad_ | is there a way to ignore the md5sum of a deb file when installing a package via apt-get |
| 18:39.19 | asg | S0n1: does #postfix know of one? |
| 18:39.30 | MaxeyPad_ | is there a way to ignore the md5sum of a deb file when installing a package via apt-get. my package upgrade hangs because of an invalid checksum |
| 18:39.47 | nvz | some yinzer knocked out the power to half of the town, cutting down trees across the street |
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| 18:40.10 | nvz | in other news my pc has found new and interesting ways to annoy the shit out of me |
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| 18:40.23 | Anders | will my sid installation break if i upgrade now? as the C++ ABI has changed |
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| 18:41.02 | asg | Anders: it's possible; you are welcome to try and report any egregious problems so we can put them in the /topic |
| 18:41.06 | nvz | Anders: thats like asking if you will get struck by lightning if you go out into a thunderstorm |
| 18:41.14 | Anders | so i see |
| 18:41.41 | nvz | its definatly possible, how possible nobody can realy say |
| 18:41.48 | nvz | thats why we call it sid |
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| 18:41.51 | amorphix | hi |
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| 18:41.58 | twb__ | uggggghhhhh i cant get dd to work!!!! |
| 18:42.08 | amorphix | :-( |
| 18:42.09 | Anders | sure but i wonder if there are known problems atm |
| 18:42.14 | nvz | !ep |
| 18:42.14 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:42.16 | amorphix | London is bombed |
| 18:42.27 | nvz | amorphix: really? |
| 18:42.30 | amorphix | yeah |
| 18:42.34 | nvz | who the hell would bomb london |
| 18:42.40 | amorphix | some mad arabs |
| 18:42.42 | Anders | was reported on BBC this morning |
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| 18:42.49 | Azar | Debian does not use chkconfig ? |
| 18:42.59 | nephlim | what's the command to change the root password? |
| 18:43.12 | joel | nephlim: passwd |
| 18:43.17 | caphuso | Azar: no |
| 18:43.23 | nephlim | thanks joel |
| 18:43.24 | nvz | I thought we were getting bombed earlier, had fighter jets circling overhead.. making a ton of noise.. seemed to be chasing one another |
| 18:43.41 | nvz | I figure they were just flying in for the air show tomorrow though |
| 18:43.41 | Azar | thank you caphuso what command should I use to tell Debian to start iptables at bootup? |
| 18:43.48 | caphuso | Azar: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
| 18:43.52 | nvz | and playing around while they were at it |
| 18:43.57 | Azar | thanks caphuso |
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| 18:44.17 | pomfrit | !nvidia |
| 18:44.17 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 18:44.17 | caphuso | Azar: and fucking check documentation before wasting other people's time |
| 18:44.27 | nvz | if I could take a spin in a multi million dollar aircraft that I didnt have to pay for, I would probably fuck around too |
| 18:44.57 | asg | nvz: I don't think F-16s fit in a McDonald's drivethrough though. |
| 18:45.03 | nvz | heh |
| 18:45.04 | amorphix | is it possible to exclude multiple dirs with tar's --exclude=? |
| 18:45.21 | nvz | asg: not enough room to land, thats for sure |
| 18:45.33 | amorphix | nvz would you crash it into the houses of parliament or the effiel tower? |
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| 18:45.35 | asg | amorphix: use -X (and a file listing each excluded dir you want) |
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| 18:45.50 | nvz | amorphix: fuck that, last thing I would be doing is trying to crash |
| 18:45.55 | amorphix | asg thanks |
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| 18:46.13 | caphuso | asg: that's why you load it up with the ASMs |
| 18:46.23 | asg | caphuso: heh, true |
| 18:46.36 | amorphix | well if Al Queda or whatever they're called manage to get an F-16 its game over for London |
| 18:46.39 | caphuso | make enough space to drive through anything |
| 18:46.54 | Dak | How can I install a .bin file (jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin)?? |
| 18:47.00 | nvz | big vessel full of jet fuel.. that would cause a big explosion.. even if I ejected it would probably still hurt... melt my parachute and I'd fall and go splat |
| 18:47.06 | asg | amorphix: not true, they'd get caught up in heathrow stacking and run out of fuel |
| 18:47.06 | caphuso | Dak: /msg dpkg install java |
| 18:47.12 | amorphix | hehe |
| 18:47.21 | Isumi | Dak, chmod u+x file.bin, and the ./file.bin |
| 18:47.41 | nvz | all they have to do is goto the Moon Airforce Base tomorrow, they are having an airshow |
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| 18:48.13 | witless | hello. more grub/boot follies... i have two 3ware ata-raid controllers in my system. i need to boot grub from the one that is recognized second (/dev/sdb); how can i get it to be recognized first (/dev/sda) ...? |
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| 18:48.25 | Atula | numanuma |
| 18:48.30 | nvz | I also often wonder if when they close down airforce bases like they have been reportedly doing a lot.. and they leave those old b52s and whatnot laying around for display afterward.. do they leave them in running condition... hmm.. |
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| 18:49.02 | Dak | thanks |
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| 18:49.31 | Atula | poor London. got bombed pretty badly. I think it's the french who's still bitter about the Olympics vote hehe |
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| 18:50.00 | jethro | !lart Atula |
| 18:50.12 | Atula | ? |
| 18:50.12 | jethro | it's not as if it were funny at all |
| 18:50.20 | asg | or that the IOC actually prefers pie and peas |
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| 18:50.40 | Atula | okay |
| 18:50.42 | Atula | no funny |
| 18:50.58 | sbk | folks -- (does mallinfo do this?) is there a way to get statistics about the malloc-controlled heap? Specifically, I want to know if it's getting fragmented to the point where it starts to appear like a leak? |
| 18:51.00 | nvz | I mean here out in the middle of nowhere lies a retired b52.. ungaurded.. show up with some jet fuel, and hop right in, go for ride. I just wonder do they take the engines out or something |
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| 18:51.08 | Atula | I don't think 37 death/700 injured are funny |
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| 18:51.20 | asg | sbk: probably a #c question there |
| 18:51.29 | magog | hahahaha O'Reilly jus put out a new book called "dont click on the blue E" |
| 18:51.37 | jethro | Atula: blaming the french for that is stupid and not funny. |
| 18:51.46 | nvz | magog: heh ;) |
| 18:51.54 | nvz | I wonder what that book is about |
| 18:51.58 | empty | nvz, I imagine they neuter them |
| 18:51.59 | Atula | oh. the French... haha.... poor frenchie... are you a french?? |
| 18:52.03 | sbk | asg: yes, been there... one opinion was it might be a platform specific thing, was wondering if glibc/debian had some specific tools that might help |
| 18:52.09 | jethro | Atula: as a matter of fact, yes. |
| 18:52.15 | magog | nvz, yet another firefox book |
| 18:52.18 | empty | atula you must be american |
| 18:52.18 | Atula | ooooo.... frenchman |
| 18:52.20 | treyh0 | what do you people use to play your music that's stored on another computer accessible via ssh and http and not local? |
| 18:52.22 | asg | sbk: oh, okay. |
| 18:52.29 | asg | treyh0: cat |
| 18:52.47 | spamalope | treyh0: itunes |
| 18:52.48 | spamalope | heh |
| 18:52.51 | treyh0 | not jukebox style :P |
| 18:53.01 | RvGaTe | who ahs worms for his PPC ? :) |
| 18:53.02 | empty | treyh0, I tunnel xmms over ssh but then it plays on the remote machine |
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| 18:53.03 | nvz | treyh0: you would need a net sound server running locally and something that can output to a network sound system remotely I suppose |
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| 18:53.11 | asg | treyh0: I mount my music via shfs and use mpd/mpc to play it. |
| 18:53.11 | MobyTurbo | empty: atula is not American, except maybe he's GWB with that poor command of English |
| 18:53.11 | `chris | treyh0: ampache is wonderful |
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| 18:53.47 | empty | MobyTurbo, it was the "are you a french" that made me think it was one of the unwashed masses here in the states |
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| 18:54.14 | MobyTurbo | empty: I've never heard a native speaker do that badly. |
| 18:54.25 | nvz | treyh0: not that I store my music on computers other than my own, anyhow. |
| 18:54.32 | MobyTurbo | empty: maybe he types worse than he speaks tho |
| 18:54.35 | treyh0 | cool |
| 18:54.40 | empty | MobyTurbo, google ebonics :P |
| 18:54.43 | treyh0 | i just have most disk space on my server |
| 18:54.49 | treyh0 | i am going to check out ampache |
| 18:54.58 | asg | !qotd114 |
| 18:54.58 | Atula | MobyTurbo, sure. you speak so goodly, eh m8? |
| 18:54.58 | dpkg | i guess qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
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| 18:55.09 | Atula | !lol |
| 18:55.09 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a linspire user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg, or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg |
| 18:55.18 | treyh0 | netjuke/slimserver/gnump3d/jinzora are all having problems w/ the large amounts of music :[ |
| 18:55.21 | empty | MobyTurbo, alternately come to the hood/barrio/trailer park with me I can take you on a tour that makes Deliverance look like Mensa |
| 18:55.30 | nvz | !yinzersmite Atula |
| 18:55.39 | twb__ | in duplicating partitions, do the drives have to be identical (i.e same model)??? |
| 18:55.46 | treyh0 | then rhythmbox takes 7 hours to load |
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| 18:55.51 | treyh0 | fun stuff :) |
| 18:55.51 | abrotman | what? |
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| 18:55.59 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 18:55.59 | dpkg | it has been said that pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:56.04 | nvz | treyh0: use amarok, much much better program, and indexes much faster |
| 18:56.11 | asg | yes, it is. |
| 18:56.12 | valdyn | twb__: no |
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| 18:56.22 | twb__ | thats the best new ive heard yet |
| 18:56.28 | twb__ | and dd will NOT work for me |
| 18:56.30 | treyh0 | nvz: what back-end do you think is most stable? xine? |
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| 18:56.45 | empty | twb__, what does it do? |
| 18:56.52 | valdyn | twb__: why not simply use cp ? |
| 18:57.00 | empty | twb__, just dd if=/dev/foo of=/dev/bar ? |
| 18:57.16 | empty | twb__, or better than both if you are doing it a lot, rsync |
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| 18:57.30 | twb__ | i dont know, i tried it, then tried booting from new hd and nonthing happened |
| 18:57.36 | twb__ | andd what is cp |
| 18:57.40 | nvz | treyh0: no idea, I use gstreamer right now.. I jsut found out about it last night.. a friend of mine uses artsd.. I dont like any of them.. they all seem to tie up my fucking sound device.. I like to be able to play sounds from anywhere directly to the sound card without the need for a middleman |
| 18:57.44 | valdyn | twb__: copying a partition wont fix your mbr |
| 18:57.46 | empty | twb__, please say that is a joke |
| 18:58.02 | twb__ | ok, which part..? |
| 18:58.08 | nvz | treyh0: I just know its way more featureful than rhythmbox and is much faster at building the database |
| 18:58.11 | empty | twb__, "what is cp" |
| 18:58.21 | twb__ | ...umm im serious |
| 18:58.24 | twb__ | haha |
| 18:58.26 | twb__ | sry |
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| 18:58.31 | `chris | twb__: there are two parts you need to copy your windows partition, the data itself (partition like /dev/hda3) and the mbr that tells the os where to look for the paritition |
| 18:58.42 | `chris | does this drive only have a windows partition on it ? |
| 18:58.44 | treyh0 | nvz: i'll have to try it again, xine didn't like my fish/sftp urls, and gstreamer kept barfing on me but that was a while back |
| 18:58.49 | nvz | treyh0: amarok can edit tags, fetch tag info for files from the internet, fetch album covers, lyrics..etc rhythm box cant do any of that |
| 18:58.55 | treyh0 | nice |
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| 18:59.02 | twb__ | yes, i just want the windows partition on the new hd |
| 18:59.13 | jasoncohen | nvz, yeah, amarok is nice but like you i notice that in gnome when amarok is playing no other programs can use sound. i tried artsd, xine and gstreamer output plugins |
| 18:59.14 | `chris | nvz: oh amarok sounds amazing, any downsides ? |
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| 18:59.32 | treyh0 | amarok.kde.org |
| 18:59.35 | nvz | treyh0: not to mention it works with audiosquabbler compares your music tastes online, recommends songs, and even keeps track of your favorites, and least played..etc |
| 18:59.43 | jasoncohen | nvz, i don't have that issue with rhythmbox, xine, mplayer or any other multimedia programs |
| 18:59.49 | jasoncohen | just amarok- and i don't know why |
| 19:00.24 | jaqque | disregard my last. i decided that the fake ORiNOCO was not going to be worth the trouble, even if it did mean 54MB goodness. i amnot going to fight withit. i was able to find a classic orninoco gold that will Just Work. much like my silver. i will be happy. well, happy enough. |
| 19:00.28 | treyh0 | jasoncohen: what back-end are you using? maybe it's tying up the audio |
| 19:00.29 | nvz | `chris: yeah it depends on kdelibs, all the automagicness tends to leave a lot of room for error, and it requires a backend engine that wont just fuggin play directly to the soundcard :P |
| 19:00.29 | jaqque | thanks |
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| 19:00.33 | jasoncohen | nvz, have you tried the 1.3 beta or SVN? |
| 19:00.39 | `chris | lol |
| 19:00.43 | twb__ | where can i get the mbr? |
| 19:00.47 | jasoncohen | treyh0, i've used xine, artsd and gstreamer- same thing with all |
| 19:00.51 | treyh0 | weird |
| 19:00.53 | MobyTurbo | !tell twb__ about fundamentals |
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| 19:01.04 | treyh0 | ampache looks neat im going to manually install it |
| 19:01.11 | nvz | jasoncohen: I dont know what the hell you are talking about :P I just heard about it late last night, and only messed with it for a few moments so far |
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| 19:01.49 | jasoncohen | nvz, amarok 1.3 is currently being developed. 1.2 is the stable branch and isn't getting new features i believe. |
| 19:01.55 | valdyn | jasoncohen: rhythmbox uses gstreamer too, so this does not quite make sense. |
| 19:02.01 | twb__ | who are you dpkg? |
| 19:02.16 | twb__ | im just looking for a little help, if you are annoyed, dont look |
| 19:02.18 | nvz | its of no use to me until all the tags are fixed on my system. which using amarok can take a very very long time. I may start using gtkpod or something.. |
| 19:02.20 | jasoncohen | valdyn, i know- but i noticed the problem on multiple systems in multiple distros |
| 19:02.22 | MobyTurbo | dpkg: what are you? |
| 19:02.23 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 19:02.32 | kingsley | Has anyone else noticed that vnstat sporadically claims that a physically impossible amount of bandwidth was used? |
| 19:02.40 | nvz | most of my files have no tag info at all, those which do are downloaded and its mostly wrong |
| 19:02.41 | jasoncohen | nvz, http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/56/66/ |
| 19:02.53 | Isumi | dpkg, what is a blootbot? |
| 19:02.54 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Isumi |
| 19:02.59 | Eulex | !wayttd twb__ |
| 19:03.00 | nvz | jasoncohen: I am using 1.2 its whats in stable |
| 19:03.01 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, twb__? |
| 19:03.09 | MobyTurbo | twb__: believe it or not I was giving you help |
| 19:03.10 | jasoncohen | nvz, yes- 1.2.4 is the current stable release |
| 19:03.12 | nvz | Isumi: /msg dpkg blootbot |
| 19:03.17 | twb__ | move windows to another HD |
| 19:03.20 | jasoncohen | i've used 1.2.4 and 1.3 from subversion |
| 19:03.24 | jasoncohen | same issue |
| 19:03.33 | jasoncohen | valdyn, do you use amarok in gnome? |
| 19:03.36 | twb__ | oh sry moby, i didnt see that |
| 19:03.40 | valdyn | jasoncohen: no |
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| 19:04.02 | twb__ | ugh, im just digging deeper |
| 19:04.10 | Eulex | twb__, dpkg is a bot... and autocompletion is your friend, you do not need to shorten nicks |
| 19:04.18 | valdyn | jasoncohen: try running 2 gstreamer sound apps at a time, does it work? |
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| 19:04.44 | resiak | !tell twb__ -about nicktab |
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| 19:04.57 | jasoncohen | valdyn, what else uses gstreamer? |
| 19:05.06 | twb__ | wow, everything about Linux is to the T, even its users :/ |
| 19:05.18 | valdyn | jasoncohen: the test thing in gstreamer-properties |
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| 19:05.36 | resiak | twb__: Hey, I was only trying to save you some typing :) |
| 19:05.48 | MobyTurbo | twb__: that's true about computers in general, the difference is that Linux gives you more control, while if something is wrong on windows, which is often, it's impossible to fix. |
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| 19:06.24 | jasoncohen | valdyn, you mean the annoying emergency sounding noise when you choose "test"? |
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| 19:06.30 | jasoncohen | valdyn, that works |
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| 19:06.31 | valdyn | twb__: yes |
| 19:06.46 | valdyn | jasoncohen: works while rhythmbox is playing sound? |
| 19:06.49 | jasoncohen | valdyn, i also get sounds in gnome while using rhythmbox |
| 19:06.52 | jasoncohen | valdyn, yup |
| 19:07.05 | valdyn | jasoncohen: gnome itself does not use gstreamer. |
| 19:07.11 | jasoncohen | i can play a movie in xine, play music in rhythmbox, hear sounds from gaim and hear sounds from gnome |
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| 19:07.40 | resiak | Damn, I _really_ need to get around to writing a "how to get sound working absolutely everywhere" page. |
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| 19:09.00 | valdyn | jasoncohen: pick the proper audiosink for gstreamer in amarok itself |
| 19:09.24 | jasoncohen | valdyn, would that be esdsink in gnome? |
| 19:09.32 | twb__ | it certainly does give you more control, if you know how to control it, i just don't really know how to yet |
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| 19:09.42 | valdyn | jasoncohen: possibly |
| 19:10.01 | jasoncohen | hey..that works |
| 19:10.07 | jasoncohen | sweet |
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| 19:10.38 | valdyn | jasoncohen: amarok obviously does ignore the gstreamers global settings, which is uh, fucked up. |
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| 19:11.05 | jasoncohen | yeah- by default it should use esdsink |
| 19:11.05 | valdyn | jasoncohen: apt-cache show amarok-gstreamer |
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| 19:11.15 | jasoncohen | tha'ts what my default sink is in gstreamer-settings |
| 19:11.30 | Dak | how can I add my java path to the system path? |
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| 19:11.37 | stephenM | can I put DDR memory in a DDR2 mainboard? |
| 19:11.55 | twb__ | would partimage help? |
| 19:11.55 | jasoncohen | valdyn, that's idiotic..it should use the system default |
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| 19:13.07 | Dak | I have the directory with java files, but I don't know how to add it to system path...could you help me? |
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| 19:14.21 | arno-la-1une | Hi everybody. I've seen orphaned packages with dpkg -l | grep ^rc so i performed : deborphan | xargs apt-get remove --purge -y . It works well but when i re-do a dpkg -l | grep 'rc' i see orphaned packages again. |
| 19:14.22 | jasoncohen | valdyn, that explains why i always used to get gstreaer errors about how /dev/dsp was being used |
| 19:14.30 | arno-la-1une | could you please explain to me why ? |
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| 19:14.43 | treyh0 | woah ampache is awesome, even supports mpd and remote catalogs!! |
| 19:14.54 | treyh0 | yay |
| 19:14.56 | stew | !wikifaq Dak DotFiles |
| 19:14.56 | dpkg | Dak: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:14.59 | caphuso | arno-la-1une: packages with a state of rc are not orphaned |
| 19:15.16 | stew | Dak: however, java files are not executable, so putting them in your path is probably not all you need to do |
| 19:15.29 | caphuso | arno-la-1une: an orphan package is installed, but no other package depends on it |
| 19:15.45 | caphuso | arno-la-1une: packages marked rc are not installed, so they can't possibly be orphaned |
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| 19:16.25 | arno-la-1une | caphuso => i believed that an orphaned packages which were uninstalled without removing configuration files that's to say rc packages. |
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| 19:16.34 | arno-la-1une | thank you :)) |
| 19:16.51 | Dak | I'd like to use azureus on my debian distro. It needs java JRE. I made the java directory from java.bin. But when I start azureus it doesn't know where is java.... |
| 19:16.54 | godzirra | xoz: I found the problem. |
| 19:16.56 | arno-la-1une | I perfectly understand now:) |
| 19:17.15 | godzirra | xoz: when I run xinit with an xterm argument, it says "xterm: Error 32, errno 2: No such file or directory Reason: get_pty: not enough ptys" Not sure how to get more pty's. |
| 19:17.17 | bahamat | hey guys, I've got an iptables question which needs a little bit of set up, so here goes |
| 19:17.22 | godzirra | xoz: I stll have your line in the devfsd file. |
| 19:17.26 | stew | Dak: /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:17.36 | bahamat | my rule is this: iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT |
| 19:17.51 | bahamat | and when I list the rules it shows up as this: ACCEPT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 |
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| 19:18.15 | vladster | I have a small problem. I am trying to set up a network printer and the driver for the jetdirect print server does not seem to be loading |
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| 19:18.36 | bahamat | so, long story short, I'm wondering if that is ignoring my desired interface restrictions |
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| 19:19.15 | hesiod | me three |
| 19:19.18 | vladster | does anyone know the file that is required to access a jetdirect print server? |
| 19:19.45 | bahamat | vladster: depends on what type of print server it is |
| 19:19.54 | vladster | the 300x |
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| 19:20.33 | bahamat | vladster: that's not what I meant...a jetdirect is a small hardware device that emulates several popular print servers (e.g., novel, windows nt, lp, cups) |
| 19:20.52 | stew | bahamat: iptables -L -v |
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| 19:21.00 | bahamat | vladster: you hope it supports ipp or at the least lp |
| 19:21.02 | vladster | right now it is in the default mode |
| 19:21.18 | bahamat | stew: sweet! thanks!! |
| 19:21.20 | vladster | that would be native |
| 19:21.34 | Atula | I'm writing a shell script... and was wondering: how do I check if a folder exist, if not create one? what are the commands? |
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| 19:21.47 | PeTeRB | Atula: #bash |
| 19:21.51 | bahamat | stew: so, that /should/ work like I expect, right? |
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| 19:22.00 | rbochan | Atula: it's something along the lines of -f <path> |
| 19:22.05 | amorphix | is there a command to show me how much space a directory and its tree it's using? |
| 19:22.07 | vladster | there was a network driver I had been using for it and I forgot what the package was |
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| 19:22.37 | bahamat | vladster: you should be using CUPS for printing, it will make your life easier |
| 19:22.44 | PeTeRB | Atula: Actually, read man 1 test |
| 19:22.49 | amorphix | i guess theres a switch for ls? |
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| 19:23.02 | PeTeRB | amorphix: man du |
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| 19:23.19 | kingsley | What' |
| 19:23.19 | amorphix | thanks |
| 19:23.23 | bahamat | amorphix: `du -sh <path>` |
| 19:23.23 | vladster | cups needs this file though, that is how I gort it working and then the drive crashed and I lost everything |
| 19:23.44 | vladster | this is a backend driver that cups uses |
| 19:23.48 | bahamat | vladster: well, what type of print server is the jetdirect emulating? |
| 19:23.51 | amorphix | thanks bahamat |
| 19:23.54 | kingsley | What's a good tool for monitoring how much bandwidth has been used that day? |
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| 19:24.33 | amorphix | how does one make a gzip archive? |
| 19:24.44 | amorphix | gzip file.gz? |
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| 19:24.57 | amorphix | *path file.gz |
| 19:25.05 | ApTek | man gzip |
| 19:25.08 | doleyb | "gzip file" will work, for just 1 file |
| 19:25.18 | amorphix | i want to compress my tar file |
| 19:25.26 | amorphix | cool |
| 19:25.30 | Spec | bzip2 mytarfile.tar |
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| 19:25.59 | amorphix | will it make it tiny? |
| 19:26.07 | Spec | probably, depends what's in the tar file |
| 19:26.20 | Spec | if it's compressed images or movies...then no |
| 19:26.23 | DoppelGanger | ha ha will it make it tiny |
| 19:26.27 | amorphix | gzip didnt do it :( |
| 19:26.33 | doleyb | in the future, you can compress the tar at the same time you make it, by adding z or j to the commandline. |
| 19:26.35 | amorphix | my 32mb file only went down to 23mb |
| 19:26.40 | amorphix | not much eh |
| 19:26.50 | doleyb | as in "tar jcvf directory.tb2 directory" |
| 19:26.56 | vladster | this is a pretty dumb version |
| 19:26.57 | Tuttle_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.58 | amorphix | -i will try bzip2 |
| 19:27.56 | amorphix | i love data compression |
| 19:28.00 | twb__ | what is /dev/dm inode??? |
| 19:28.16 | amorphix | i think the world is a better place for it |
| 19:28.25 | empty | amorphix, I guess if you don't consider 30% to be much |
| 19:28.37 | amorphix | 30% is good i guess, for images anyway |
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| 19:28.44 | amorphix | i have 32mb of images |
| 19:28.51 | empty | very good for images if they are jpgs |
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| 19:29.02 | empty | amorphix, thats not very much porn |
| 19:29.03 | amorphix | yes jpgs |
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| 19:29.09 | amorphix | hehe |
| 19:29.20 | empty | jpgs are already compressed, so you are compressing them *again* |
| 19:29.22 | amorphix | this isnt pr0n its strictly biznis :P |
| 19:29.29 | empty | heh |
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| 19:30.28 | amorphix | sometimes im so dumb i even amaze myself |
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| 19:30.46 | Bertram | heh |
| 19:30.46 | amorphix | wanna hear the latest? |
| 19:30.53 | empty | nofb disables framebuffer on boot right? |
| 19:31.48 | amorphix | i just spent like 5 mins trying to figure out how to get my file.tar.gz.bz2 back into a tar file, then realised its quicker to delete the file and press up arrow a few times and enter and make a new tar |
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| 19:32.48 | amorphix | being dumb is hard work |
| 19:33.46 | empty | LOL NM have lilo on this box |
| 19:34.00 | empty | in fact might have it on those too |
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| 19:34.08 | empty | Wow wrong window |
| 19:34.11 | empty | wrong app even |
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| 19:34.25 | TommyG | Is there any chance of postgreSQL 8.x ever getting into Sarge? |
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| 19:34.31 | Eulex | TommyG, no |
| 19:34.47 | resiak | amorphix: bunzip2 and gunzip too hard ? :) |
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| 19:34.59 | TommyG | too bad |
| 19:35.02 | Eulex | TommyG, only security updates and maybe sometimes critical bug fixes |
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| 19:35.06 | Eulex | go into stable |
| 19:35.33 | Eulex | TommyG, if you want more recent software, go with testing |
| 19:35.55 | vladster | dpkg-reconfigure hpoj |
| 19:36.09 | TommyG | hehe, that's what everyone said about woody/sarge before :-) |
| 19:36.27 | vladster | this is what you have to enter to activate the driver and run through the script to get it loaded |
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| 19:36.34 | twb__ | anyone here know how to use Partimage? |
| 19:37.39 | resiak | twb__: Just ask the question. Someone probably does. |
| 19:38.09 | Morti | How do I copy a load of files and treat the symlinks as files? |
| 19:38.13 | twb__ | i just need help with saving a partition using Partimage |
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| 19:38.16 | resiak | Morti: man cp |
| 19:38.29 | Morti | resiak: I'm doing that, but I'm confused by the word "dereference" |
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| 19:39.02 | Morti | Do I want to dereference or no dereference? |
| 19:39.06 | resiak | Morti: dereferencing a link means to follow it. |
| 19:39.25 | twb__ | can you use cp to copy an OS...? |
| 19:39.43 | resiak | Morti: If you want to copy the files the slinks point to, you want to dereference. If you want to copy the symlinks themselves, you don't. |
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| 19:41.06 | roler | In my debian/gnome setup It seems like I have 2 or 3 copy-paste clipboards... If I copy from Putty, it wont paste into other windows unless I open up a terminal, paste, copy again and then it copies... If I copy from my email client, it wont paste to gaim unless I do the same thing... |
| 19:41.10 | roler | what's going on with all these ? |
| 19:41.16 | nichos | hi all, is there a way to reset a windows password in debian? Like the "winpass" utility in trinity linux |
| 19:41.21 | niktaris | hi, anyone know how to handle opentype fonts? |
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| 19:45.17 | doleyb | roler: do you seriously run putty in gnome? |
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| 19:45.53 | amorphix | how the f**k do u list files in a tar archive |
| 19:46.01 | caphuso | amorphix: tar tf foo.tar |
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| 19:46.05 | amorphix | phew thanks |
| 19:46.06 | Spec | man tar |
| 19:46.10 | Spec | pretty sure it's -t |
| 19:46.10 | caphuso | info tar |
| 19:46.15 | amorphix | i tried tar -l -L --list |
| 19:46.52 | nvz | bah damn woman |
| 19:47.10 | nvz | calling the house letting the phone ring like crazy when I am trying to catch a nap |
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| 19:47.25 | amorphix | nvz: your old lady giving you grief? |
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| 19:47.41 | amorphix | ahh |
| 19:47.43 | nvz | amorphix: I dont have an old lady |
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| 19:47.55 | jair | guys in order to make the printers work direcly with firefox I have to do some extra configuration correct? |
| 19:48.01 | amorphix | you're not married? |
| 19:48.05 | nvz | haha |
| 19:48.08 | nvz | please |
| 19:48.14 | amorphix | hehe |
| 19:48.21 | jair | because normally I have to tell firefox or cups that they can talk each other. |
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| 19:48.58 | AcuraX | when you download debian |
| 19:49.08 | AcuraX | and goto install can u config your network with ndiswrapper? |
| 19:49.16 | nvz | you mean I havent lowered my standards and given up yet ? |
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| 19:49.39 | barongas | I'm having troubles compiling a dikumud derrivate which compiles at other peoples computers, any ideas on where to start troubleshooting? |
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| 19:50.39 | nvz | I pity da fool who tries to tame nvz to the level of a domestic house pet |
| 19:50.57 | roler | doleyb; yes because it keeps my authorized_keys and all that stuff organized |
| 19:50.58 | vladster | I think I may have found the flaw, cups will not start |
| 19:51.06 | roler | doleyb; putty aside, the problem still exists with other programs |
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| 19:51.20 | rastaval | wew |
| 19:51.31 | AcuraX | eh? |
| 19:51.40 | doleyb | roler: what is your email client? evolultion? |
| 19:51.46 | AcuraX | wheni use the netinst can i use ndiswrapper for my wlan card/? |
| 19:51.47 | Bertram | Hi people. I have tried to make my .desktop files work under KDE 3.4 with dh_desktop. And they don't. I shall need help on this one. Can someone help ? |
| 19:51.49 | Spec | barongas: does the compile fail at random? |
| 19:51.56 | Spec | barongas: or is it consistently failing at the same spot? |
| 19:51.58 | caphuso | AcuraX: no |
| 19:52.01 | vladster | any suggestions as to a way to debug cups |
| 19:52.02 | HermanDE | Hello all.... |
| 19:52.08 | AcuraX | oh |
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| 19:52.15 | nvz | oh well, I am up now.. I am leaving. |
| 19:52.18 | valdyn | vladster: read /var/log/cups/error_log |
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| 19:52.22 | AcuraX | whatis my best bet on installing debian? |
| 19:52.35 | Ronin` | the net install and away you go AcuraX |
| 19:52.40 | AcuraX | but.. |
| 19:52.45 | caphuso | AcuraX: use supported hardware |
| 19:52.46 | AcuraX | i can't use my wlan card |
| 19:52.47 | barongas | Spec:Same spot I think, hold on |
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| 19:52.50 | roler | doleyb; yes |
| 19:52.56 | AcuraX | I DONT HAVE ANY SUPPORTED HARDWARE |
| 19:53.16 | Spec | AcuraX: do you use a sandbox and a pointy object as your input tablet? debian doesn't support that... |
| 19:53.27 | barongas | Spec: Same spot and there's tons of errors all way |
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| 19:53.36 | Spec | barongas: at least it's in the same spot :p |
| 19:53.40 | EdibleText | AcuraX, someone set you up the bomb |
| 19:53.42 | mith | AcuraX: umm, you have a notebook with a wireless card that will work with ndiswrapper, but not a nic that's recognized? |
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| 19:53.46 | Spec | barongas: i suggest reading the error :p |
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| 19:54.10 | ecidadania2 | ola |
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| 19:54.18 | mith | AcuraX: just go plug the damned thing in with a cable until the install is done |
| 19:54.31 | barongas | Spec: The thing is I know this code is compilable, and there'r errors in every file when I compile |
| 19:54.36 | mith | you'd have to do the same to do a network windows install, so stop bitching |
| 19:54.44 | Spec | barongas: can i get a copy of the code? |
| 19:54.55 | AcuraX | well i dont have a ethernet card |
| 19:54.55 | barongas | Spec: hold on |
| 19:54.57 | kadigibox | I have a simple (I think) question about /dev/* All that is in /dev/* is from what is compiled into the kernel? I am just trying to understand linux better |
| 19:55.13 | mith | AcuraX: then either download the dvds, or get a working nic. |
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| 19:55.21 | barongas | Spec http://members.optusnet.com.au/seltha/tfe-2.1.exe |
| 19:55.21 | AcuraX | can i get the full disk 1 and install from just hat one cd? |
| 19:55.28 | Spec | barongas: .exe? |
| 19:55.32 | caphuso | AcuraX: yes |
| 19:55.36 | abrotman | AcuraX: you can |
| 19:55.38 | mith | AcuraX: yes |
| 19:55.38 | valdyn | kadigibox: no, not necessarily, /dev/ can contain anything, even devices supported by no driver at all. |
| 19:55.40 | barongas | Spec It's exe-rar |
| 19:55.48 | AcuraX | what about the minimal boot cd? |
| 19:55.53 | mith | no |
| 19:55.53 | Spec | barongas: linux exe? |
| 19:55.56 | AcuraX | and config my wlan0 card |
| 19:56.11 | barongas | Spec No, but any rar-program should be able to deal with it |
| 19:56.25 | Spec | are you compiling it in linux? |
| 19:56.51 | Spec | RichiH: apology accepted |
| 19:56.52 | kadigibox | then a device that uses the keyboard port but sends a scrambled message that just needs to be unscrambled can be done without compileing something into the kernel? |
| 19:56.53 | barongas | Spec Yes, I unrared it using rarlabs for linux then tried compiling |
| 19:57.06 | AcuraX | what mirror would you guys suggest? |
| 19:57.21 | Knuckles^ | anybody experienced that you are unable to mark text with the mouse, in ex. /etc/network/interfaces, using nano or pico. it then just moves the green cursor around ? (is trying to copy/paste through ssh) |
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| 19:58.01 | AcuraX | so what cd should i get cd 1 for non-us or cd2 - for us? |
| 19:58.22 | HermanDE | Is there a good method of temporarily restricting a user to a particular printer temporarly? |
| 19:58.23 | AcuraX | it's still like that right? |
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| 19:58.55 | valdyn | kadigibox: that is not what i said, any functioning device node has a kernel driver behind it. |
| 19:58.59 | Knuckles^ | it happened after an update, but not sure what i did wrong :( |
| 19:59.02 | AcuraX | also why are there so many disks? |
| 19:59.15 | kadigibox | ok. thanks valdyn |
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| 19:59.33 | kadigibox | some things about linux just confuses me so I am just wanting to know it better |
| 20:00.16 | Bertram | Hi people. I have tried to make my .desktop files work under KDE 3.4 with dh_desktop. And they don't. I shall need help on this one. Can someone help ? |
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| 20:00.33 | barongas | Spec Know what, I might've just unpacked em using wine.. Can't remember cause it was some time ago. |
| 20:00.49 | Spec | barongas: transferring now, i'll try to compile it soon |
| 20:00.51 | _metaperl_vc | Bertram: dont forget #kde |
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| 20:00.56 | Bertram | ok |
| 20:00.56 | _metaperl_vc | they might be able to help you |
| 20:00.57 | barongas | Spec Cool |
| 20:01.00 | _metaperl_vc | good luck |
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| 20:01.08 | Bertram | _metaperl_vc: thanks a lot |
| 20:01.15 | Spec | barongas: been so long since i coded a mud |
| 20:01.19 | kadigibox | is there a linux for dumbies of some sort online that I could read? |
| 20:01.23 | Eulex | Bertram, kde 3.4? unofficial repo? or is it in unstable? |
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| 20:01.53 | barongas | Spec Yeah, haven't been around it for a couple o years but I did use this code base and on debian and it worked :/ |
| 20:02.09 | Spec | what errors did you get? #flood |
| 20:02.58 | Spec | barongas: yeah, i'm getting lots of errors that i don't understand :p |
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| 20:03.07 | wharmon | Greetings. I'm having a great deal of trouble getting apache1+php4 to work properly. It's attempting to pass the .php directly to the browser rather than executing it |
| 20:03.26 | Spec | attempting? |
| 20:03.30 | Spec | does it fail in doing that, as well? |
| 20:03.31 | barongas | Spec You too, then maybe there is something wrong with the code after all :( |
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| 20:03.40 | pureone | wharmon grep php /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 20:03.47 | Spec | barongas: yeah, i don't know, very confusing...good luck :p |
| 20:03.54 | barongas | Spec Thanks :) |
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| 20:04.09 | pureone | see if the lines are uncommented and make sure you have mod php in modules.conf |
| 20:04.22 | vladster | what does this error mean =>E [07/Jul/2005:15:45:58 -0400] StartListening: Unable to bind socket for address 00000000:631 - Address already in use. |
| 20:04.23 | wharmon | i say attempting because it's marking it as mime-type httpd-php (sp?) and the browser is asking what program to read it in |
| 20:04.27 | valdyn | kadigibox: www.tldp.org |
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| 20:04.44 | abrotman | wharmon: did you do the AddType thing ? |
| 20:04.55 | kadigibox | thanks again valdyn |
| 20:05.11 | davi | I have a deb-src at sources.list. How to download the source code of gnome and mozilla packages ? |
| 20:05.17 | vladster | this is from the cups error log |
| 20:05.29 | abrotman | davi: why would you want to compile those ? |
| 20:05.50 | davi | abrotman, I want to learn to contribute as a developer |
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| 20:06.07 | abrotman | davi: well .. you should start by reading the NM guide |
| 20:06.12 | valdyn | davi: man apt-get |
| 20:06.20 | davi | abrotman, any URL ? |
| 20:06.24 | abrotman | davi: or you mean a contributor to gnome and mozilla(not debian) ? |
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| 20:06.37 | abrotman | !tell davi about nm |
| 20:06.46 | davi | Yes I mean contribution to gnome and mozilla (not debian) |
| 20:06.59 | abrotman | davi: ah .. then you would want the gnome/mozilla cvs branches |
| 20:07.01 | valdyn | davi: wrong channel then |
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| 20:07.08 | abrotman | davi: irc.mozilla.org and irc.gnome.org |
| 20:07.22 | davi | thanks abrotman valdyn |
| 20:07.25 | Pryon | Not likely |
| 20:07.31 | Pryon | eep |
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| 20:07.49 | wharmon | regarding the AddType questions, the lines are commented out in httpd.conf, but they are uncommented in conf.d/php4.conf which is included by httpd.conf |
| 20:08.06 | rbochan | silly rbochan... you can't make-jpkg on sid then install on sarge |
| 20:08.14 | wharmon | and modules.conf does have LoadModule php4_module ... in it as well. |
| 20:08.43 | Bertram | Eulex: unofficial repo, and for unstable |
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| 20:08.56 | abrotman | wharmon: you have restarted apache .. right ? |
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| 20:08.59 | Eulex | Bertram, ok |
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| 20:09.09 | abrotman | rbochan: you probably actually can |
| 20:09.20 | rbochan | nosir, just tried it |
| 20:09.21 | wharmon | several times, will do again, :clutches at straws: |
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| 20:09.24 | Bertram | Eulex: I try to get the .desktop file work under the latest kde possible |
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| 20:10.05 | abrotman | wharmon: did you check the apache logs .. maybe there's a hint ? |
| 20:10.11 | rbochan | abrotman: got some errors regarding libasound2 |
| 20:10.21 | Bertram | Eulex: I'll come back with a RFS when it'll work ;) |
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| 20:10.21 | abrotman | wharmon: in general .. all you should need to do is load the module .. and have the AddType line |
| 20:10.30 | abrotman | rbochan: oh ok .. i'll take your word for it |
| 20:10.49 | Eulex | Bertram, I just asked you that question because many people with new versions of stuff are actually running other distros -- and me asking that doesn't mean that I can answer your question |
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| 20:10.56 | rbochan | no biggie, I can just build it on sarge too |
| 20:11.06 | Bertram | Eulex: np |
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| 20:11.52 | wharmon | :boggle: apache error.log says "[crit] (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could n |
| 20:11.53 | wharmon | ot bind to port 80 |
| 20:11.56 | nichos | how can i mount an NTFS drive as writeable? |
| 20:12.07 | wharmon | " ... what is bound to that port??? :searches: |
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| 20:12.35 | Bertram | nichos: first modprobe the module ntfs_write or something like that |
| 20:12.51 | Bertram | and then try rw under /etc/fstab |
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| 20:12.58 | DoppelGanger | bad idea |
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| 20:13.10 | Bertram | you can only rewrite ntfs file with the same length |
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| 20:14.20 | PDani | hi |
| 20:14.46 | nichos | Bertram it says: /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ntfs (rw) but it says "Read only file system" when i try to modify" |
| 20:15.07 | K_Dallas | nichos, ntfs fs are mounted readonly |
| 20:15.16 | nichos | K_Dallas how can i make it read/write |
| 20:15.19 | K_Dallas | there is a way to make it rw but not recommended |
| 20:15.32 | PDani | how can i turn on the numlock on X startup? is it possible from xorg.conf? or i should do it with numlockx? is there a script that runs at every X startup? |
| 20:15.38 | K_Dallas | it is recommended to make a FAT32 partition as a buffer zone |
| 20:15.38 | twb__ | how could i make a partition on a second HD? |
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| 20:15.47 | K_Dallas | twb__, fdisk? |
| 20:15.50 | dondelelcaro | nichos: ntfs doesn't totally support rw unless you're using capture ntfs. |
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| 20:16.04 | nichos | dondelelcaro how can i do that? |
| 20:16.12 | dondelelcaro | !ntfsrw |
| 20:16.13 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. |
| 20:16.17 | twb__ | fdisk....? |
| 20:16.37 | K_Dallas | nichos, it is really dangerous, it made two of my HDs to mess up to the extent that i could not boot inot either of them |
| 20:16.44 | PDani | dondelelcaro: captive? |
| 20:16.51 | dondelelcaro | nichos: I don't have time to support capture ntfs or help you with it. Search google if you're interested in it. |
| 20:17.08 | Morti | K_Dallas: Write support is safe now apparently |
| 20:17.14 | Morti | In recent 2.6 kernels. |
| 20:17.17 | Morti | Just not very good. |
| 20:17.36 | dondelelcaro | it's safe, but it's very limited in what operations it permits |
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| 20:17.56 | Morti | NTFS is annoying like that. |
| 20:18.06 | Overand | for such a 'robust' filesystem, ntfs sure is easy to break |
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| 20:18.23 | dondelelcaro | hahaha. ntfs robust? |
| 20:18.30 | K_Dallas | Morti, i was on only ro status and tried to cp a few big files and i was ruined ;) i would not go for rw any time soon, thanks |
| 20:18.41 | K_Dallas | kernel was 2.6+ |
| 20:18.50 | Knuckles^ | anybody experienced that you are unable to mark text with the mouse, in ex. /etc/network/interfaces, using nano or pico. it then just moves the green cursor around ? (is trying to copy/paste through putty) |
| 20:18.57 | twb__ | what does ntfs mean |
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| 20:19.16 | Ronin` | not to fecking safe/secure |
| 20:19.20 | DoppelGanger | rbochan: nice to see you again |
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| 20:19.34 | twb__ | lol |
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| 20:20.28 | Eulex | twb__, nt file system |
| 20:20.37 | Morti | K_Dallas: While you were copying the big files, did you accidentally kick your PC really hard? ;) |
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| 20:22.35 | Eulex | Morti, well, the only kind allowed in ntfs on recent 2.6 kernels are writing on already existing files without modifying the size |
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| 20:23.00 | Bertram | Eulex: That's what i said a minute ago :) |
| 20:23.03 | Morti | Yeah, I realise. Safe though. ;) |
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| 20:23.09 | Bertram | lol |
| 20:23.30 | Eulex | Bertram, oh |
| 20:23.52 | Bertram | np. To tell it twice is better than never |
| 20:23.55 | apfel | Anyone successfully using google earth with linux? |
| 20:23.56 | rbochan | yo |
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| 20:24.59 | Eulex | apfel, umh, you mean through wine? |
| 20:25.28 | Eulex | and apfel, why don't you try it yourself to see if it works? |
| 20:25.38 | apfel | Eulex: If there's no other way, yes. I tried it with wine but it doesn't work. |
| 20:26.06 | apfel | Eulex: Just because it doesn't work for me doesn't mean that it doesn't work at all, does it? |
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| 20:26.27 | Eulex | apfel, no... you should probably go ask #wine |
| 20:27.43 | Eulex | btw, apfel, "doesn't work" ain't a good description, it should be much more detailed when reporting |
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| 20:29.27 | dippo | [Dcan anyone think of a reason why after upgrading apache-ssl to the version in sarge, my .htaccess password restrictions bomb out with "user not found" in the error.log |
| 20:29.30 | dippo | i am stumped |
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| 20:30.10 | apfel | Eulex: You're right. Although I first wanted to make sure that it is possible to run it under linux because the error description is not that nice: Error Number: 0x80040706, Description: Object reference not set. Setup will now terminate. |
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| 20:31.08 | Eulex | apfel, better ask #wine about that, or maybe even ask the wine mailing list (I'm assuming there is one) |
| 20:31.16 | wharmon | I'd like to thank everyone for their help. Apache+PHP is working now. |
| 20:31.21 | wharmon | :-) |
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| 20:31.45 | abrotman | dippo: which user ? |
| 20:31.53 | Knuckles^ | anybody experienced that you are unable to mark text with the mouse using ssh through putty, in ex. /etc/network/interfaces, using nano or pico. it then just moves the green cursor around ? this happend after "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 20:31.53 | abrotman | it's #winehq |
| 20:32.01 | abrotman | apfel: #winehq .. not #wine |
| 20:32.06 | dippo | abrotman: there isn't one listed |
| 20:32.09 | dippo | that's literally the error |
| 20:32.18 | Eulex | abrotman & apfel, yeah, sorry |
| 20:32.18 | dippo | "user not found" |
| 20:32.32 | abrotman | dippo: that's not very helpful :) |
| 20:32.38 | dippo | indeed |
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| 20:32.47 | twb__ | would a second partiton be hda2? |
| 20:32.54 | apfel | abrotman: Thanks. I just wanted to start complaining... ;) |
| 20:33.04 | Eulex | Knuckles^, upgrading to what version |
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| 20:34.00 | Eulex | twb__, maybe, maybe not... for me, fdisk -l states "Partition table entries are not in disk order" |
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| 20:35.13 | Eulex | I doubt he got to read my reply :( |
| 20:35.13 | Knuckles^ | Eulex: unstable |
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| 20:35.38 | Eulex | Knuckles^, check the bts for nano and whatever it depends on |
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| 20:35.56 | Eulex | oh, and the term you run it in (if any) |
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| 20:36.39 | davi | Is there a GarGnome package at Debian Sarge ? |
| 20:36.53 | Knuckles^ | Eulex: ok, thanks |
| 20:36.56 | wam | I have a server with several IP addresses. One, which is bound to eth0 is in the providers Net with its own default-gw and can connect the internet. The other Addresses are on another class-c net. Where can I find documentation how to set up routing so that the server is reachable on every ip address? |
| 20:37.06 | Eulex | Knuckles^, also, it's a good thing to use apt-listbugs on a package before upgrading it in unstable |
| 20:37.28 | Knuckles^ | thanks alot, i will remember that :) |
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| 20:38.01 | jim | Knuckles^: and also read the reports (bugs.debian.org/123434) |
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| 20:38.05 | Eulex | Knuckles^, np |
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| 20:38.17 | jim | or whatever number the bug is |
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| 20:44.18 | sepski | wam, where did you get those ip's ? from your isp ? |
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| 20:44.46 | Eulex | PeTeRB, that may be the cause, though I have no idea what that is and how it can cause a problem |
| 20:44.54 | st0enedbr | hi |
| 20:45.18 | J_P | people, exist anyone strategy for have more releases of debian stable as in ubuntu ? |
| 20:45.42 | sepski | J_P, is that a goal ? i dont want to upgrade servers all the time |
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| 20:46.21 | PeTeRB | Eulex: It changes the mouse behaviour. Without that option set, the mouse works just like in the terminal. When it's set, you can move the pointer by clicking. What breaks most is middle-click pasting. |
| 20:46.22 | J_P | sepski: sorry, not each 6 month, then each 2 years.. |
| 20:46.30 | J_P | or 1 year |
| 20:46.33 | st0enedbr | anyone here have already blocked skype with iptables? |
| 20:46.34 | J_P | understand |
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| 20:47.36 | danysz | sorry anyone know how to kill xserver in debian 3.1 because standard ctrl+alt+bacspace not work |
| 20:47.41 | Eulex | PeTeRB, ok |
| 20:47.47 | twb__ | i have partitioned my second HDD to exactly the same size as my current one but i still ave no success in copying my Windows Xp partition.... |
| 20:47.48 | twb__ | !!! |
| 20:47.48 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 20:48.05 | Ronin | so i do J_P once every 2+ish years is too long, unfortinuatly im not able to help them so i just live with it and be grateful someones working on it |
| 20:48.15 | sepski | J_P, i understand the problem on the desktop with the need for bleeding edge haredware and rapid releases. but i think ubuntu servers that niche nicely. (admitadly i'v never even seen a ubuntu bo, but from what i hear) |
| 20:48.34 | sepski | serves not servers |
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| 20:48.53 | Eulex | danysz, CTRL-ALT-F(1-6) and then killall xdm/gdm/kdm/whatever |
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| 20:49.21 | danysz | Eulex thanx |
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| 20:50.05 | J_P | sepski: not need are each 6 months, each 1 year or 1,5 year is very good!! what you think ? |
| 20:50.33 | drac | Eulex, danysz: You have to /etc/init.d/?dm stop it, killalling just pops it back up. |
| 20:50.48 | sepski | J_P, anything between 2-3 years is fine with me. but it's not my opinion that counts luckily |
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| 20:51.22 | jim | danysz: not killall, stop the service properly: either /etc/init.d/[xgk]dm stop or invoke-rc.d [xgk]dm stop |
| 20:51.44 | sepski | J_P, most big rollouts with debian can't have a 6 month release cycle, you have 14000 computers to handle you want it stable not upgrading all the time |
| 20:51.50 | danysz | jim, drac ok |
| 20:52.14 | sepski | J_P, ofcouse you can skip a few releases, but that means there must be security updates for 4-6 oldstables |
| 20:52.26 | jim | if you killall, other things that the script does won't happen and that might be a problem... of course, it could be harmless |
| 20:53.13 | jim | in fact it could be that all the script does (when you say stop) is the killall |
| 20:53.42 | J_P | sepski: you are right, each 6 montsh do upgrade is bad, but not each 3 years.. |
| 20:53.45 | jim | no idea there, to find out you'd have to read the script |
| 20:53.52 | J_P | i think 1,5 and 2 years is very good |
| 20:53.59 | Bertram | J_P : lol |
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| 20:54.13 | jim | J_P: 1 second is good, 3 seconds bad? |
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| 20:54.44 | sepski | J_P, but ofcouse the gamer kid nextdoor that only worry about 1 box might want rapid releases, but he can use testing it's not as stable but his box is not as critical either. i honestly dont think i could improve on todays scheme |
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| 20:55.26 | mrgenixus | anybody albe to rip mp3 with sound-juicer |
| 20:55.26 | J_P | jim if one second = 1 year |
| 20:55.26 | jim | J_P/sepski: howbout this: why don't both of you subscribe on lists.debian.org to debian-devel, debian-boot, debian-release and debian-devel-announce |
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| 20:55.35 | yacoob | hi kids. |
| 20:55.44 | PeTeRB | sepski: Would gamer kid nextdoor use Linux at all? :/ |
| 20:55.58 | sepski | jim, sorry, seamd to be not much traffic on the channel |
| 20:56.01 | jim | J_P/sepski: THEN you'll see what actually goes into it |
| 20:56.02 | Ronin | PeTeRB: a smart one |
| 20:56.11 | yacoob | how can one create "fake" provides? (boa doesn't provide httpd-cgi, bug is filled since last year) |
| 20:56.32 | jim | yacoob: does boa provide cgi? |
| 20:56.34 | mrgenixus | 'lo? can someone give me a deb for liblame / gstreamer-lame? |
| 20:56.46 | yacoob | jim: it does. |
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| 20:57.04 | sepski | yacoob, for a unofficial workaround use equivs |
| 20:57.07 | jim | btw, cgi is very very old and slow technology |
| 20:57.09 | drac | mrgenixus: I'd say.. /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 20:57.13 | jim | it requires a fork per hit |
| 20:57.37 | yacoob | jim: you don't have to convert me, convert authors of dwww :D |
| 20:58.01 | jim | oic |
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| 20:58.16 | jim | why not do an equivs |
| 20:58.25 | pipeline | there's always fastcgi |
| 20:58.26 | jim | that also forks per hit |
| 20:58.37 | J_P | jim you are nervous ? |
| 20:58.44 | jim | I am? |
| 20:58.44 | J_P | jim calm |
| 21:00.05 | yacoob | sepski: this is the way I was looking for. |
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| 21:00.22 | yacoob | But still, perhaps I can hack the control file and recompile...? |
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| 21:00.36 | jim | yacoob: the problem will come when you upgrade |
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| 21:00.58 | yacoob | jim: boa seems to be quite dead :> |
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| 21:01.18 | jim | maybe a quick nmu will fix it |
| 21:01.33 | yacoob | jim: and who is allowed to perform nmu? |
| 21:01.44 | micke | hello everyone. can anyone please point out a good resource on how to make web pages look as intended in firefox on linux? |
| 21:01.49 | jim | any debian maint |
| 21:01.53 | abrotman | yacoob: right now . pretty much noone iirc |
| 21:02.00 | abrotman | it's after the release ... |
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| 21:02.10 | jim | micke: html is not layout |
| 21:02.11 | abrotman | micke: w3.org .. otherwise .. ask #web |
| 21:02.18 | micke | abrotman: thank you |
| 21:02.20 | yacoob | hmm. |
| 21:02.22 | mrgenixus | drac I seem to be missing a step |
| 21:02.39 | mrgenixus | sound-suicer reposts that it could not create a gstreamer encoder |
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| 21:05.08 | yacoob | well, I was about to become a maintainer anyway :> |
| 21:05.59 | stew | yacoob: you have a different definition of about than most |
| 21:06.48 | yacoob | stew: oh, I missed 'thinking' before it? Drats. :> |
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| 21:07.02 | stew | ahh :) |
| 21:07.47 | yacoob | but seriously, I was very determined 2 years ago, but had to move to another city, look for a job... and all of this consumed my precious time. |
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| 21:13.33 | Esaj | does gnome 2.1 work in sid? |
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| 21:13.42 | resiak | Esaj: ... |
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| 21:14.00 | resiak | Esaj: You mean 2.10, and you have equal access to the bts as do we. |
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| 21:15.40 | inspired | hi. I have some color problems with mc and other dialog based apps. at various places there are black boxes instead of the original background color. |
| 21:16.02 | inspired | for instance when looking at code in mc |
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| 21:16.17 | eeyore- | howdy |
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| 21:16.48 | jc-denton | http://server1.belchfire.net/protected-cgi-bin/manServer_107.pl/usr/share/man/man9/printk.9 |
| 21:17.00 | jc-denton | how can i get these manpages on my debian sys |
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| 21:17.24 | jc-denton | i have installed manpages and manpages-dev |
| 21:17.30 | jc-denton | but i dont have these site |
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| 21:18.13 | jc-denton | there is just one page in section 9 |
| 21:18.13 | EmleyMoor | I want to put Debian back on my laptop, but they've made a right mess of the NTFS partitions on it... is there a tool that can safely shrink them when they are occupied at both ends, or defrag them properly so that a Knoppix CD can do it |
| 21:18.17 | jc-denton | ksoftirqd |
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| 21:18.33 | roler | When does bash call .bashrc versus .bash_profile? |
| 21:18.47 | stew | !wikifaq roler DotFiles |
| 21:18.48 | dpkg | roler: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:18.51 | slf | roler: when your .bash_profile or /etc/profile mention . .bashrc if -e [ ~/.bashrc ] |
| 21:18.56 | caphuso | roler: INVOCATION section in the man page |
| 21:19.01 | Esaj | resiak: hmph. well I'm not entirely sure which version I'm running. |
| 21:20.03 | resiak | !info gnome sid |
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| 21:20.08 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.10.1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 21:20.23 | resiak | Esaj: Are you running Sid? |
| 21:20.27 | Esaj | resiak: yes |
| 21:20.48 | Esaj | resiak: I haven't installed the gnome package though, because it depends on lots of other crap which I don't want |
| 21:21.06 | resiak | !info gnome-core sid |
| 21:21.08 | dpkg | gnome-core: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.10.1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 21:21.18 | Esaj | I've installed gnome-core. |
| 21:21.28 | resiak | Esaj: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l gnome-core will tell you waht you need |
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| 21:21.42 | roler | thanks guys you rock! |
| 21:21.45 | Exodus | hi |
| 21:21.52 | Esaj | resiak: cheers, looks like it's the right one then |
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| 21:22.51 | resiak | Esaj: No problem. Go read up on apt and dpkg: chances are that horrible things will happen in Sid and you'll need a goodish knowledge of them to fix it at some point in the future. |
| 21:23.25 | Exodus | how can i upgrade to debian sarge ? |
| 21:23.35 | Esaj | resiak: I like a bit of excitement once in a while |
| 21:23.41 | Exodus | whats sources.list config ? |
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| 21:23.57 | spamalope | is there an app like the BSD watch? |
| 21:23.57 | _Denn | Can't locate URI/Escape.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./relay.pl line 30. |
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| 21:23.59 | _Denn | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./relay.pl line 30. |
| 21:24.04 | spamalope | that shows what someone is doing |
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| 21:24.04 | _Denn | i Had done apt-get install debian |
| 21:24.06 | aldug | how do you open up a terminal on a device connected to your serial port? |
| 21:24.17 | _Denn | mtoups: apt-get install perl, and apt-get install libperl-dev |
| 21:24.18 | _Denn | but still |
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| 21:24.31 | mk44 | does debian has 2 dvds? |
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| 21:26.28 | PeTeRB | _Denn: /msg dpkg search |
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| 21:26.38 | _Denn | had searched |
| 21:26.43 | _Denn | but what package do i need? |
| 21:26.44 | Hiruko | Hi, I'm having some trouble with the wpa suppicant |
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| 21:27.25 | aurax | hello, can anyone tell me where is the default iptables rules are located/ |
| 21:27.35 | jim | Hiruko: put together some information... for help in deciding what to put there, /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 21:27.53 | Hiruko | ah sorry |
| 21:27.55 | PeTeRB | _Denn: You sure you searched? /msg dpkg find URI/Escape.pm |
| 21:28.14 | jim | aurax: look at the docs for the iptables package |
| 21:28.15 | TheQ | sslstdio.c:158: error: request for member `optr' in something not a structure or union |
| 21:28.15 | TheQ | sslstdio.c:158: error: request for member `obuf' in something not a structure or union |
| 21:28.17 | sepski | aurax, there are no defaults you read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 21:28.25 | TheQ | getting a bunch of that bs when installing uw-imap |
| 21:28.33 | aurax | ok, just wondering, becuase i have to clear them everytime i boot |
| 21:28.46 | aurax | if i want to ping internal subnets like 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 21:28.50 | jim | TheQ: /msg dpkg sicco /msg dpkg sicco /msg dpkg paste |
| 21:28.58 | xange | I am trying to use my LCD (Cornea CT1501) w/console it just appears all grey and white lines, is there anything that i should be installing? |
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| 21:29.14 | jim | oops, said one of those twice, meant /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 21:29.56 | Hiruko | i have it installed |
| 21:30.01 | Hiruko | I just need help with the onfig file |
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| 21:30.23 | jim | Hiruko: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 21:31.10 | jasoncohen | is there any way to download a changelog through apt-get? |
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| 21:31.50 | paster | "TheQ" at 69.39.81.223 pasted "Having Problems installing uw-imap" (190 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/317 |
| 21:32.27 | jim | there is a link dpkg will tell you, go to that link, read and -understand- every word, at that point you will know how to approach as an equal and peer... then please do so |
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| 21:33.21 | marienz | TheQ: the first error is a bit higher up, paste some more please. |
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| 21:33.46 | TheQ | thats all i could pull from my window |
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| 21:34.05 | jim | TheQ: then capture the output into a file |
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| 21:34.07 | pulaski | hello |
| 21:34.09 | marienz | TheQ: rerun the failing command with output redirected ( >~/logfile 2>&1) and paste that? |
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| 21:37.40 | FuIru | ok, am wondering if this is possible. A while back I had another machine with an HD with I think 6 partiitions.. I installed debian onto the 5th, with 6th being swap.... |
| 21:37.53 | FuIru | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.59 | FuIru | Is there anything I can do to this file to get it to point to hdb5 now so I can dual boot again on this one? |
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| 21:38.05 | YaleR | jim: you here? |
| 21:38.09 | paster | "TheQ" at 69.39.81.223 pasted "Having Problems installing uw-imap (cont.)" (32 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/318 |
| 21:38.31 | jim | FuIru: you have to edit /etc/fstab and the boot thing |
| 21:38.38 | YaleR | :o you are |
| 21:38.42 | jim | YaleR: yeah |
| 21:38.55 | pulaski | I've recently gone from woody to sarge. I have a zip250 parallel port drive, a mount point and a script from iomega to mount it. I need a /dev. Any suggestions? |
| 21:39.22 | marienz | TheQ: that obviously means you need /usr/include/security/pam_appl.h, unfortunately I'm too much of a debian newbie to tell you what package that is in. |
| 21:39.22 | jim | pulaski: howbout the /dev that worked before/ |
| 21:39.31 | YaleR | jim: okay, so I plugged in a usb card reader, and my mouse stopped working.... :| it's a logitech usb plugged into ps2 adapter... originally I believe /dev/input/mice worked, not anymore, tried /dev/psaux as well |
| 21:39.39 | Hiruko | i followed the directions to make the wpa supplicant configuration file but i get "invalid configuration line 'crtl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant' " I know i have everything else working |
| 21:39.40 | FuIru | mm, thing is, I can't boot into linux. As I said, I moved the HD to another (this) machine, and was just wondering if there's some value in the bootsect.lnx file that would tell it to look on hdb5 now instead of hda5 |
| 21:39.46 | marienz | TheQ: *might* be libpam0g-dev |
| 21:40.00 | YaleR | FuIru: grub? |
| 21:40.03 | pulaski | yes but I wrote the device in the readme as a reminder but in the move to sarge I lost it. |
| 21:40.04 | FuIru | lilo |
| 21:40.10 | YaleR | oh I dunno lilo. |
| 21:40.11 | pulaski | thanks jim |
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| 21:40.24 | mtnman | fuiru: have you read the hard disk upgrade mini howto? |
| 21:40.29 | YaleR | but you should be able to edit your entries temporarily on boot |
| 21:40.39 | jim | pulaski: probably you're going to have to find out how to get the parallel port stuff going, and how to get it mounted |
| 21:40.40 | YaleR | and change them there, then boot linux, and change them in /boot |
| 21:41.00 | FuIru | mtnman: no, but I'll take a look |
| 21:41.22 | YaleR | or use a live cd, and change them in /boot...... unless something is preventing you from doing that... |
| 21:41.34 | pulaski | jim I have /dev/par0 and I have loaded paride in the kernel |
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| 21:41.53 | jim | pulaski: I don't know specifically how to get you going, and I don't have time to find out... so you have some reading to do, likely. |
| 21:42.23 | jim | YaleR: why not try the mouse in your usb? |
| 21:42.55 | YaleR | I guess.... waste of a usb port... |
| 21:42.59 | YaleR | I only have 6... |
| 21:43.11 | jim | do you have 7 devices? :) |
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| 21:43.19 | jim | I have 2 and a hub |
| 21:43.29 | YaleR | jim: 4 are now used... |
| 21:43.33 | YaleR | with my webcam 5 |
| 21:43.43 | jim | well then... you have room :) |
| 21:43.51 | YaleR | ...yay |
| 21:43.54 | jim | :) |
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| 21:44.06 | YaleR | what a copout. |
| 21:44.07 | FuIru | hmm, am hoping the fact that this howto assumes I can get into linux at all won't prevent it from helping, heh. |
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| 21:44.17 | YaleR | thought you'd work your magic... |
| 21:44.30 | jim | well, did you try /dev/psaux? |
| 21:44.33 | YaleR | yes |
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| 21:44.44 | kazim | hi |
| 21:45.00 | YaleR | FuIru: I don't know about lilo, but can't you just edit your /boot files with a livecd? |
| 21:45.06 | xange | so is there any 'good' reason why an lcd monitor wouldnt work when a crt will? |
| 21:45.07 | d03boy | I installed some acrobat pdf thing and now I cant see pdfs at all. Could someone help me uninstall whatever it is? Is there an apt-get search thing I can use to uninstall an installed prog? |
| 21:45.12 | jim | ps/2 port is a little funny about connecting/disconnecting while power applied... mfgrs don't recommend it... |
| 21:45.12 | kazim | how can i verify well if a backup MXis well conf ? in dns and if it work ? |
| 21:45.27 | pulaski | thanks jim the manpage provided by iomega is not helpful. The makedev man page suggests /dev/par0 though I get a "Failure accessing device" message. I guess I'll google linux iomega zip. |
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| 21:45.51 | `chris | anyone good with postgresql ? how do you find the names of your current databases ? |
| 21:45.53 | jim | one consequence of that is you might have to boot with the mouse inserted |
| 21:46.03 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... turns out I can use a Knoppix CD anyway - and the 3.9 has a frontend on it - might even, if I'm very lucky, have Debian back up and running on the machine before I go away tomorrow |
| 21:46.18 | jim | another (and this is rare) is that connecting while powered might screw up your port |
| 21:46.26 | jim | I've never had that happen tho |
| 21:46.57 | jim | also appropriate drivers need to be inserted for the port |
| 21:47.15 | jim | so overall it's kinda a hassle :) |
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| 21:47.46 | jim | pulaski: you could add kernel version to search terms; might help |
| 21:48.11 | pinko | hello again. question: |
| 21:48.30 | pinko | the superiority of Xorg over XFree86 is... what? |
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| 21:48.47 | jim | pinko: mainly license terms |
| 21:48.57 | pinko | hmm. |
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| 21:49.03 | jim | the xfree people want to make money I guess |
| 21:49.17 | pinko | how do they work that? |
| 21:49.27 | pinko | I'm certainly not paying them. |
| 21:49.28 | slf | extortion |
| 21:49.28 | slf | ;) |
| 21:49.29 | jim | it's theirs, they relicense it |
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| 21:49.40 | slf | look at the technical definition of "larseny by trick" |
| 21:49.48 | slf | and then look how it becomes extortion ;) |
| 21:49.51 | YaleR | alright... usb works.... |
| 21:49.55 | slf | stealing posession is different then siezing title ;) |
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| 21:50.07 | YaleR | one of the many reasons why linux is not ready for the desktop environment... |
| 21:50.08 | jim | YaleR: cool... so it's a good interrim solution. |
| 21:50.29 | pinko | I'm guessing it's some relation to the mp3 sleight-of-hand thing? |
| 21:50.32 | jim | you might want to rule out hardware failure before claiming that :) |
| 21:50.34 | pulaski | thanks jim |
| 21:50.47 | YaleR | ps2 failure? |
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| 21:51.01 | jim | as I said, rare but possible |
| 21:51.18 | YaleR | well I think it had something to do with the card reader I just added |
| 21:51.22 | jim | and before making statements like that, it's better if you make sure yours works |
| 21:51.25 | YaleR | which was recognized nicely actually... |
| 21:51.35 | jim | very good... |
| 21:51.45 | jim | maybe you ran out of irqs |
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| 21:51.52 | YaleR | probably |
| 21:51.53 | jim | not sure on that |
| 21:51.55 | YaleR | the thing hogs 3 |
| 21:52.02 | YaleR | how do I check? |
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| 21:52.10 | YaleR | lspci? |
| 21:52.15 | jim | you could look at /proc/interrupts |
| 21:52.24 | jim | but not sure if that will help or not |
| 21:52.28 | YaleR | very cool |
| 21:52.38 | jim | your mouse uses 3 interrupts?? |
| 21:52.46 | jim | or which thing? |
| 21:52.48 | YaleR | the card reader |
| 21:52.54 | tarzeau | people in here go visit www.whatthehack.org ? |
| 21:52.59 | YaleR | I think.... |
| 21:53.18 | tarzeau | !seen fieldysnuts |
| 21:53.19 | dpkg | fieldysnuts <BiXwiKG8Ck@fieldysnuts.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 18h 14m ago, saying: 'high altitude low opening?'. |
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| 21:53.46 | jim | tarzeau: I haven't, why do you ask? |
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| 21:54.22 | jim | it sounds like your question is "have anyone here gone to that site" |
| 21:54.33 | jim | and "no" :) |
| 21:54.43 | orvux | Hi everybody, somebody knows how to send the password in the command line with SSH? |
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| 21:55.22 | jim | orvux: got an ssh key? |
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| 21:55.49 | tarzeau | jim: no, what i wonder is if people in here will attend the place, end of this month |
| 21:56.19 | jim | not me |
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| 21:56.39 | jim | too many chances to play music |
| 21:57.12 | orvux | jim: yep.. |
| 21:57.28 | jim | so are you using it for this case? |
| 21:58.19 | YaleR | well it wasn't ps2 failure. |
| 21:58.31 | jim | look, I don't have time to wait 5 mins between responses, orvux... |
| 21:58.35 | YaleR | isa0060/serio1 <-- is that a device location? |
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| 21:59.05 | inspired | hm, possible reasons for not getting colors in the console when connecting with putty? |
| 21:59.09 | jim | there are other things I have to be doing, so if you're interested in help PLEASE RESPOND QUICKLY |
| 22:00.10 | YaleR | jim? what is isa0060/serio1? |
| 22:00.14 | mtnman | orvux: if you are asking how to include your ssh password on the command-line, that wouldn't be a very good idea. better to set up key-based authentication. |
| 22:00.17 | orvux | jim: you answer is for me? |
| 22:00.21 | jim | YaleR: ok, that seems positive... never heard of that |
| 22:00.50 | Hiruko | jim: it turns out I spelled something wrong and used '( )' rather than '{ }' |
| 22:00.54 | Hiruko | lmao |
| 22:00.55 | jim | orvux: so are you using your ssh key to authenticate your connection? how do you know? |
| 22:01.04 | orvux | mtnman: ok, could you give one link? ;) |
| 22:01.10 | FuIru | right. Thanks YaleR, I'm going to go try doing this all with one of the LiveCDs. Thanks, all. |
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| 22:01.16 | mtnman | orvux: um, man ssh. |
| 22:01.21 | Hiruko | Do you have a good reference to basic shell commands? |
| 22:01.24 | superlinux | hi all |
| 22:01.26 | jim | Hiruko: ahh, yeah, it could be picky that way :) |
| 22:01.29 | orvux | mtnman: ok.... :P |
| 22:01.33 | jim | Hiruko: info bash |
| 22:01.34 | superlinux | i did tell linux to masqurade the output iface on eth0. but my clients still did not catch the masquraing. i put my clients the gw and the DNS. i am behind a firewall.it allows second NAT |
| 22:01.39 | Hiruko | yeah, couldn't see it very well because of my high reso |
| 22:01.40 | Hiruko | thx |
| 22:01.41 | jim | (if bash is your shell that is) |
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| 22:01.51 | orvux | jim: well... i guess.... how can i know? |
| 22:02.09 | superlinux | so what's the problem then? |
| 22:02.17 | jim | orvux: what does it ask for, in exact words? |
| 22:02.22 | sandman | Is it true that AMD64 chips have an embedded memory controller? I've been hearing things about this, and I can't decide what type of RAM to get as a result |
| 22:02.25 | YaleR | isa0060/serio1 sounds like /dev/ttyS1? |
| 22:02.43 | streuner | oh god, sandman is here... |
| 22:02.54 | sandman | Apparently the memory controller has ECC, such that the memory doesn't need to have ECC builtin, but can still benefit from it |
| 22:02.57 | jim | YaleR: could very well be; but I've never seen that before |
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| 22:03.04 | sandman | streuner: Do I know you? |
| 22:03.04 | YaleR | alright, lets tryyy |
| 22:03.25 | orvux | jim: i don't know if the server is using the ssh key.... |
| 22:03.29 | Hiruko | oh another thing, since I can't seem to logon as root, how do i open a program as root? someone told me about sux, dunno where to go with that |
| 22:03.32 | jim | YaleR: you could try cat (that thing) and move the mouse |
| 22:03.39 | jim | orvux: what does it ask for, in exact words? |
| 22:03.42 | streuner | sandman: well, i remember a know gentoo troll who called sandman... |
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| 22:03.51 | streuner | s/know/known/ |
| 22:03.52 | mtnman | hiruko: cannot login as root at console or via ssh? |
| 22:03.58 | orvux | jim: or i don't know how to check if the server is using the ssh key... |
| 22:04.06 | jim | orvux: what does it ask for, in exact words? |
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| 22:04.26 | Hiruko | um like logging in with a gui, sorry kinda new to linux terms |
| 22:04.39 | Hiruko | such as kde or gnome |
| 22:04.40 | jim | we seem to be stuck right here... think! what reason could I have for asking??! |
| 22:04.45 | mtnman | hiruko: login as regular user, then "su". |
| 22:04.52 | orvux | jim: ??? i don't understand.... :( |
| 22:04.57 | Hiruko | but i can't save with some programs such as kwrite |
| 22:04.59 | fuzzybunny | hiruko "su -" |
| 22:05.05 | rbochan | eeyore-: finally gave up on that modem yesterday |
| 22:05.21 | jim | orvux: what is your original question? |
| 22:05.32 | rbochan | turned out to be some proprietary thing made by usr for gateway |
| 22:05.56 | sandman | streuner: Was his name Sandman1? |
| 22:06.00 | orvux | jim: if somebody knows how to send the password in the command line with SSH? |
| 22:06.08 | fuzzybunny | -p |
| 22:06.16 | streuner | sandman: no |
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| 22:06.25 | jim | orvux: ok, then, my question to you is: |
| 22:06.28 | sepski | orafu, why woudl you consider doing that |
| 22:06.33 | jim | orvux: what does it ask for, in exact words? |
| 22:07.04 | jim | you connect with ssh, and it says EXACTLY? |
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| 22:07.26 | orvux | jim: user1@server's password: |
| 22:07.35 | twb_ | can i put windows on an ISO cd? |
| 22:07.41 | twb_ | from here |
| 22:07.48 | jim | ok, so it is asking for a passWORD, not a pass PHRASE |
| 22:07.49 | fuzzybunny | twb: kindof |
| 22:07.52 | jim | yes? |
| 22:07.55 | twb_ | kind of? |
| 22:08.00 | orvux | jim: yes... |
| 22:08.09 | fuzzybunny | you looking for a bootable windows cd? |
| 22:08.12 | fuzzybunny | like a livecd? |
| 22:08.26 | jim | so: you are not using your ssh key to connect. |
| 22:08.30 | twb_ | i guess, im trying to copy windows from here and put it on a new HDD |
| 22:08.39 | orvux | jim: ooopssss... |
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| 22:08.49 | twb_ | dd doesnt want to work with me |
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| 22:09.08 | jim | orvux: sending the password over the wire is not recommended, due to security concerns. HOWEVER there is a way to get what you want |
| 22:09.09 | orvux | jim: ok, then the connection is not a secure connection? |
| 22:09.20 | YaleR | :( |
| 22:09.27 | mtnman | orvux: if you read man ssh, at around line 35 or so is a description of how to use rsa auth. |
| 22:09.54 | Whisky_ | I cant make my second IP go up |
| 22:10.14 | orvux | mtnman: thank... but sometimes is necessary another words to understand something... ;) |
| 22:10.14 | fuzzybunny | whisky: what? |
| 22:10.36 | jim | Whisky_: you need an elevator, an esclator or a plane or a helicopter to make it go up... OR you could try throwing it! |
| 22:10.36 | fuzzybunny | twb: dd should work..you could use ghost to do it |
| 22:11.01 | mtnman | orvux: perhaps, but i'm doubting that you've read it yet. |
| 22:11.03 | jim | maybe that's not what you meant... :) |
| 22:11.06 | fuzzybunny | you want to move an installed windows os to a new drive? |
| 22:11.08 | Whisky_ | jim: I got a seat =p |
| 22:11.09 | Whisky_ | http://pastebin.com/309167 |
| 22:11.12 | Whisky_ | please have a look |
| 22:11.20 | twb_ | ghost costs money |
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| 22:11.37 | twb_ | i been trying for 6 hrs now and dd will not work |
| 22:11.51 | chgh | How do I get the nice high resolution boot sequence with the little Tux graphic? |
| 22:11.52 | fuzzybunny | dont use up? |
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| 22:11.54 | orvux | jim: well thanks for your time... and please change you point of view... |
| 22:11.55 | chgh | :-P |
| 22:12.01 | jim | Whisky_: there is an automated way of configuring your network devices |
| 22:12.07 | fuzzybunny | ifconfig eth0:1 x.x.x.x netmask x.x.x.x |
| 22:12.10 | fuzzybunny | ifconfig eth0:1 u |
| 22:12.12 | fuzzybunny | p |
| 22:12.18 | mtnman | orvux: please go read man ssh. if you have further questions, please ask. |
| 22:12.21 | orvux | jim: sorry the last message was for mtnman... |
| 22:12.22 | twb_ | the partition sizes are identical in size but it still says : Not Enough Space On Device |
| 22:12.35 | Whisky_ | fuzzybunny: Thats not working for me. Have a look at the paste at http://pastebin.com/309167 |
| 22:12.44 | Whisky_ | jim: What automated way ? |
| 22:12.49 | fuzzybunny | i saw. |
| 22:12.57 | fuzzybunny | did you try putting up in another line? |
| 22:13.07 | jim | Whisky_: look at your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 22:13.11 | mtnman | orvux: i'm sorry you took offense that i pointed out the exact line in man ssh which answers you question. |
| 22:13.12 | orvux | mtnman: don't woory about it... i have read it... |
| 22:13.24 | Whisky_ | jim: I have a few lines set for this IP there but havent tried rebooting yet |
| 22:13.46 | Whisky_ | Im worried about the errors i get when i do "ifconfig......." as it should just get the interface up ASAP |
| 22:13.54 | enveezee | Pedro got a free Muvo from comcast, and I setup a "Devices" applet in his KDE kicker, and put an entry so he could user-mount it from there into his /etc/fstab. I've mounted it and copied about 4 songs, closed the konqueror window, and the damn thing still wont unmount, says device is busy. fuser and lsof disagree |
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| 22:14.02 | enveezee | I cant figure out wtf the problem is |
| 22:14.13 | jim | orvux: ok, if you have read that, then you know what you need to do in order to get it to ask for the key's passphrase... right? |
| 22:14.14 | orvux | mtnman: no... it;s ok... thanks... |
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| 22:14.48 | fuzzybunny | sry...your way works fine for me |
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| 22:14.55 | jim | Whisky_: what interface name? |
| 22:15.02 | mtnman | orvux: in that case, you are welcome. |
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| 22:15.23 | Whisky_ | jim: eth0:1 |
| 22:15.30 | enveezee | I cannot just yank the flash drive out, I need the damn thing to unmount properly :P |
| 22:15.36 | keenan | all this stuff about mozilla's trademark policy is hilarious |
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| 22:15.44 | jim | orvux: mtnman is trying to help you by teaching you how to help yourself... this is VALUABLE... |
| 22:15.46 | keenan | apt-get install the-browser-that-must-not-be-named |
| 22:15.56 | jim | err, was :) |
| 22:15.59 | Whisky_ | lynx |
| 22:16.00 | Whisky_ | :D |
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| 22:16.30 | jim | Whisky_: do you have a stanza in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0:1? |
| 22:16.38 | Whisky_ | yea did that |
| 22:16.46 | Whisky_ | 4 lines i think |
| 22:16.51 | enveezee | heh, these smily themes he got on gaim are funny :P |
| 22:16.55 | jim | ok, try ifdown eth0:1 |
| 22:16.57 | orvux | jim: yes... i nedd the client key : ssh-keygen -t dsa |
| 22:16.58 | enveezee | :p |
| 22:17.07 | enveezee | hmm.. they arent working now :( |
| 22:17.09 | jim | orvux: exactly |
| 22:17.16 | orvux | jim: leaving blank the passphrase... ;) |
| 22:17.20 | enveezee | oh, they just dont have a tounge one for the burger theme |
| 22:17.22 | Whisky_ | /etc/network/interfaces:18: duplicate interface |
| 22:17.22 | Whisky_ | ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces" |
| 22:17.23 | Whisky_ | :| |
| 22:17.24 | jim | you can do that |
| 22:17.25 | jim | OR |
| 22:17.32 | jim | you can give it a passphrase |
| 22:17.51 | pulaski | thanks |
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| 22:18.01 | jim | both will get you what you want (blank-passphrase keys aren't really recommended) |
| 22:18.02 | orvux | jim: but if i put it then when i connect the server ask for it? |
| 22:18.06 | enveezee | anyhow, can anyone advise on how to unmount this damn flashdrive? |
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| 22:18.18 | jim | orvux: yes... but we're not done yet :P |
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| 22:18.37 | Bartden[v6] | how can i see in which groups a user is ?? |
| 22:18.44 | orvux | jim: ok, then i need to copy the key to the server.... |
| 22:18.46 | Bartden[v6] | in terminal |
| 22:18.51 | jim | Bartden[v6]: man groups |
| 22:18.51 | Husein | hi....any help for activate talk service. i did it, and when i start it i am said: connectio refused. port is open |
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| 22:19.29 | mtnman | orvux: now you sound like someone who has read the relevant portion of man ssh ! :) |
| 22:19.30 | Hiruko | how do i enable a 1200x800 resolution with xfree86? I tried selecting the ati driver and that resolution is still not available |
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| 22:19.33 | enveezee | when clicking unmount from the Devices applet on the KDE Kicker, I get a dialog titled "Error - kio_devices_mounthelper" that reads "umount: /home/pedro/Muvo: device is busy" twice then says "Please check that the disk is entered correctly" |
| 22:19.41 | orvux | jim: $ scp .ssh/id_dsa.pub remoteuser@remoteserver.com |
| 22:19.55 | orvux | mtnman: oohhhh my god..... |
| 22:20.02 | Husein | press any key |
| 22:20.22 | enveezee | both lsof and fuser disagree, saying nothing is using either /home/pedro/Muvo or /dev/sda1 |
| 22:20.23 | jim | my keys are in my pocket! that will be hard! |
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| 22:20.49 | Hiruko | any ideas on how to enable that resolution? |
| 22:20.54 | doleyb | enveezee: you run lsof and fuser as root? |
| 22:20.57 | SNow | Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) what Should i Do ? |
| 22:21.01 | Bartden[v6] | how can i add a user to a certain group ? |
| 22:21.02 | jim | orvux: what file on the remote needs to have the key? |
| 22:21.24 | Whisky_ | jim: http://pastebin.com/309172 |
| 22:21.27 | Esaj | how do I add an IP alias? |
| 22:21.28 | Whisky_ | can u please have a look ? |
| 22:21.31 | rbochan | Bartden[v6]: man adduser |
| 22:21.41 | orvux | jim: ???? |
| 22:21.43 | enveezee | doleyb: nope, didnt think it matterd all I did was mount the damn thing from the Devices Applet, open two konqueror windows, drag 4 files, then closed the konqueror windows tried to umount it |
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| 22:21.50 | Esaj | something in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 22:22.25 | caphuso | Esaj: yeah, just add it like a normal non-aliased interface |
| 22:22.41 | Esaj | it doesn't work if I use eth0 twice... |
| 22:22.42 | jim | orvux: the remote server will read ~you/____/______________ to find the key |
| 22:22.45 | orvux | jim: $ mkdir .ssh (if don't exist) |
| 22:22.51 | trend_ | hello |
| 22:22.52 | jim | good |
| 22:22.58 | jim | orvux: the remote server will read ~you/.ssh/______________ to find the key |
| 22:23.05 | enveezee | doleyb: doh! as root lsof shows famd 3300 pedro 103r DIR 8,1 16384 1 /home/pedro/Muvo/ |
| 22:23.11 | Esaj | caphuso: I'm want to use dhcp as well as a static ip |
| 22:23.15 | orvux | jim: then cat id_rsa.pub >> .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 22:23.18 | Whisky_ | jim ? |
| 22:23.21 | jim | yes!! |
| 22:23.23 | enveezee | doleyb: do you know what I can do about that? |
| 22:23.23 | Whisky_ | jim: http://pastebin.com/309172 |
| 22:23.25 | doleyb | yeah, that's famd for you. I suggest simply apt-get remove famd |
| 22:23.26 | Whisky_ | :) |
| 22:23.26 | doleyb | unless you think it's actually being useful somehow. |
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| 22:23.46 | jim | Whisky_: I think what's happening is you have two IPs on the same net |
| 22:23.53 | trend_ | I just popped ina new 200gig hd in my server.. how can I iniitilize it .. and creat e a dir for it? (it is on the 2nd ide chain) |
| 22:24.01 | trend_ | i get this in dmesg: /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0: unknown partition table |
| 22:24.04 | Whisky_ | jim: Its always like that with virtual servers :/ |
| 22:24.19 | mtnman | trend_: did you run fdisk? |
| 22:24.26 | enveezee | doleyb: I dont know what its for.. I think its the "File Alteration Monitor" dont know what the hell its purpose is.. I just reinstalled his system after putting Win98 on his drive and putting a 2nd drive in.. I choose "Desktop..blah" from tasksel.. installed a bunch of unsavory crap |
| 22:24.33 | trend_ | mtnman no I haven't done anytthing yet |
| 22:24.36 | Whisky_ | let me try something |
| 22:24.39 | rbochan | trend_: check out cfdisk or fdisk or any of a host of other partitioning utils |
| 22:24.42 | enveezee | doleyb: right now its being a royal PIMA |
| 22:24.57 | doleyb | what it's _supposed_ to do is help konqueror show files changing as the disk is written. |
| 22:24.57 | trend_ | Unable to open fdisk |
| 22:25.00 | jim | Whisky_: hmm, that's more complex than I've done before |
| 22:25.02 | enveezee | and breaking the functionality of the KDE Kicker's Devices applet |
| 22:25.10 | mtnman | trend_: what do you mean unable? |
| 22:25.13 | doleyb | But that's not important. Just "su;killall famd;apt-get remove famd" and forget it. |
| 22:25.28 | enveezee | doleyb: sounds like a plan to me |
| 22:25.38 | trend_ | urhm.. nm.. |
| 22:25.42 | Whisky_ | jim: i'll try my best too and ask u where i go wrong. carry on with the others |
| 22:25.45 | jim | Whisky_: when you find out, let me know... I think -maybe- netmask and network and broadcast should be omitted for the eth0:1? |
| 22:25.48 | enveezee | doleyb: cause right now its just making this Device mounter applet in KDE 100% useless |
| 22:26.04 | doleyb | Well... thing is, that applet is often useless for other reasons. |
| 22:26.09 | enveezee | doleyb: if people knew to kill famd everytime they wanted to umount, the wouldnt need a userland mount applet |
| 22:26.12 | mtnman | trend: actually, i prefer cfdisk. then you'll need to create a filesystem on your newly-created partition(s) |
| 22:26.13 | trend_ | would I do fdisk /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0 ? |
| 22:26.15 | jim | the problem would be the routing table wouldn't be able to decide which interface |
| 22:26.21 | Whisky_ | jim: Just did that. Ommitted Broadcast and Network. Netmask should be fine. |
| 22:26.31 | orvux | jim: what if i have an dynamic ip on the client? |
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| 22:26.35 | jim | and also gateway |
| 22:26.35 | Whisky_ | the machine is rebooting |
| 22:26.35 | doleyb | For example, you open a cd in konqueror, then move konqueror to other directory... it keeps the cdrom used, even though its not looking there. |
| 22:26.41 | Whisky_ | lets cross our fingers |
| 22:26.45 | trend_ | ok. i use cfdisk |
| 22:26.47 | enveezee | doleyb: well they just got a free muvo in the mail from the ISP, and though I could have it automounted, it cannot be auto unmounted when they want to remove it |
| 22:26.49 | trend_ | i do not see my hd in there though |
| 22:26.54 | enveezee | doleyb: its the first idea I had |
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| 22:27.33 | trend_ | would i just do cfdisk /dev/hda2 ? |
| 22:27.36 | mtnman | trend_: man cfdisk would tell you. cfdisk /dev/hdn (replace "n" with a,b,c, or d) |
| 22:27.52 | ralf | how much a package must wait to go in testing? |
| 22:27.54 | jim | Whisky_: you can test without rebooting by doing ifdown eth0:1 ; ifup eth0:1 |
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| 22:28.12 | dondelelcaro | ralf: depends. |
| 22:28.14 | jim | ralf: 2 weeks without bugs... |
| 22:28.18 | mtnman | trend_: cfdisk defaults to hda. don't know about fdisk, but suspect it does the same. |
| 22:28.21 | jim | I think that's the standard |
| 22:28.23 | ralf | bugs or RC bugs? |
| 22:28.28 | jim | dunno |
| 22:28.42 | Whisky_ | jim: Too late. Already rebooted and now the system isnt coming up :S |
| 22:28.45 | trend_ | well. .how do I find what /dev/ my 2nd hd is on? |
| 22:28.52 | dondelelcaro | ralf: RC bugs, but it's 10 days, and it depends on the severity of the upload and whether or not the package can actually transition. |
| 22:28.56 | Guerin | jim: if you don't know, don't guess. |
| 22:28.56 | enveezee | doleyb: have a better idea, or just get rid of famd and continue with the devices applet idea? |
| 22:29.01 | orvux | jim: what if i have an dynamic ip on the client? |
| 22:29.07 | orvux | jim: what if i have a dynamic ip on the client? |
| 22:29.17 | jim | it will work |
| 22:29.21 | dondelelcaro | ralf: /msg dpkg why is foopackage not in testing |
| 22:29.22 | doleyb | well i think removing famd is better, until famd gets fixed good. Which won't happen until everyone has linux 2.6 |
| 22:29.31 | Whisky_ | Guerin: He is a voulenteer helper, not paid for. |
| 22:29.34 | mtnman | trend_: have you read the manpage? do you know if your disk is primary or secondary? master or slave? |
| 22:29.45 | trend_ | master |
| 22:29.54 | ralf | this bot is beautiful |
| 22:29.57 | mtnman | primary or secondary? |
| 22:30.05 | trend_ | it isn't primary or secondary yet.. becuase it has no partitions on it |
| 22:30.11 | rbochan | ralf: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/testing |
| 22:30.15 | trend_ | brand new out of the box |
| 22:30.16 | Guerin | Whisky_: thank you, captain obvious. |
| 22:30.20 | enveezee | doleyb: well yeah, the remove famd, udev, ..etc sounds good to me.. but as for the devices applet to mount/umount the flashdrive/muvo sounds like the best option? |
| 22:30.32 | mtnman | trend_: primary or secondary refers to which controller it is plugged into. |
| 22:30.41 | jim | trend_: primary or secondary is which controller, has nothing to do with whether partitioned |
| 22:30.42 | Whisky_ | Guerin: ur welcome, pirate lamer =) |
| 22:30.47 | orvux | jim: thanks for all.... |
| 22:30.48 | trend_ | whops.. i am an idiot ;) |
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| 22:30.55 | trend_ | i always say ide1 or ide0 |
| 22:30.58 | jim | orvux: so does that work now? |
| 22:30.59 | trend_ | it is ide1 ;) |
| 22:31.02 | trend_ | so secondary |
| 22:31.12 | orvux | jim: yes..... |
| 22:31.19 | mtnman | trend_: secondary master is /dev/hdb |
| 22:31.25 | doleyb | i can't guess as to if an applet is good for you. i never use them, but whatever.. |
| 22:31.27 | mtnman | trend_: no hdc |
| 22:31.39 | orvux | jim: thanks for your time.... see you later...bye |
| 22:31.48 | jim | orvux: good work (did you notice you did most of it yourself?) |
| 22:32.00 | enveezee | doleyb: well fam only has gnome and gnome-desktop-environment depending on it.. so no loss IMO they are both meta packages AFAIK |
| 22:32.07 | trend_ | oh... i was thikning of 'primary or logical' |
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| 22:32.11 | jim | orvux: additionally.... |
| 22:32.24 | jim | if you decide to put a passphrase on your key... |
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| 22:32.49 | enveezee | doleyb: me either.. but these are not shrewed pc users.. they need not be concerned with the underlying workings of the kernel.. give them an icon that lights up and they are happy people |
| 22:32.58 | jim | then read man ssh-add and man ssh-agent |
| 22:33.14 | orvux | jim: yes.. .but... some times we need a guide to do somethings... ;) |
| 22:33.20 | Guerin | Whisky_: wtf? |
| 22:33.21 | spamalope | is there an app like the BSD watch? so i can see what someone is doing? |
| 22:33.38 | orvux | jim: to avoid mistakes... :) |
| 22:33.51 | Guerin | Whisky_: you're calling ME a lamer and you can't even spell "you're" ? |
| 22:33.55 | mtnman | orvux: if you had read what i'd given you earlier, you could have started asking better questions sooner. |
| 22:33.55 | jim | orvux: that's fine as long as you're aware of the guidelines in the link from /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 22:34.08 | enveezee | ahh! Motherfucker! |
| 22:34.09 | enveezee | heh |
| 22:34.09 | Whisky_ | Guerin: i called YOU a lamer. |
| 22:34.13 | jim | orvux: because then you're approaching as an equal |
| 22:34.26 | enveezee | now its in use by kdeinit 3945 pedro 129r DIR 8,1 16384 1 /home/pedro/Muvo/ |
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| 22:34.39 | enveezee | this disk mounter applet in kde is 110% useless |
| 22:34.40 | Toastie_ | I'm trying to get DCC sends from a NAT'd computer to work. Anyone has a recipe? |
| 22:34.43 | doleyb | enveezee: that's probably the other problem i mentioned to you. |
| 22:34.51 | Guerin | !irritate Whisky_ |
| 22:34.51 | dpkg | Whisky_: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses cable plz msg me, exobyte |
| 22:34.56 | trend_ | thanks for the help guys |
| 22:35.03 | enveezee | how the fuck are you supposed to use it if there is something always using the devices you are trying to umount with it |
| 22:35.05 | Whisky_ | omg dpkg hi2u |
| 22:35.06 | doleyb | enveezee: I don't think it's the applet's fault, the problem is that KDE stuff like konqueror keep files open too long. |
| 22:35.07 | Whisky_ | lol :p |
| 22:35.10 | mtnman | trend_: you're welcome. |
| 22:35.14 | doleyb | enveezee: can you umount it on a CLI either? |
| 22:35.14 | shingouz | Toastie_: set up portforwarding to the send ports |
| 22:35.26 | Toastie_ | the send ports are dynamic |
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| 22:35.31 | Whisky_ | !irritate Guerin |
| 22:35.31 | Toastie_ | Can't I use conntracking? |
| 22:35.32 | dpkg | Guerin: hi every1 who uses cable ???/ |
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| 22:35.40 | enveezee | doleyb: thats not the point :P I need a simple way for them to be able to umount the muvo when they want to take it out of the USB port |
| 22:35.40 | jethro | !aolify Whisky_ |
| 22:35.48 | trend_ | mtnman does cfdisk support ext3.. becuase I surely do not see it undert the filesystem type |
| 22:35.56 | Whisky_ | !rape Guerin |
| 22:35.58 | Whisky_ | =p |
| 22:36.01 | doleyb | enveezee: so did you check that CLI umounting works or not? |
| 22:36.15 | Guerin | Whisky_: that'll get you a ban. |
| 22:36.17 | enveezee | doleyb: I will check.. |
| 22:36.20 | orvux | jim: well.. sorry if i make you waste you time.... |
| 22:36.25 | shingouz | Toastie_: what i told you is the only way i have ever seen it work |
| 22:36.27 | orvux | jim: bye |
| 22:36.38 | Whisky_ | Guerin: Why would u ban me? |
| 22:36.42 | jim | orvux: you have to understand somethign... |
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| 22:36.45 | mtnman | trend_: after you make a partition, you then make a filesystem with mkfs. |
| 22:36.48 | enveezee | doleyb: as root I get "umount: /home/pedro/Muvo: device is busy" x2 |
| 22:36.49 | orvux | jim: what? |
| 22:37.01 | jim | the people here get this all day |
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| 22:37.07 | doleyb | enveezee: yeah, it's probably konqueror that's using it. Under the name "kdeinit" |
| 22:37.08 | beardy | trend_: I know you have found out which device your drive is. But just for the record, 'cat /var/log/dmesg | grep hd[abcd]' |
| 22:37.15 | jim | that's one, but two is, I only expect GROWTH |
| 22:37.16 | Guerin | Whisky_: rape is not a thing to joke about. People have been banned for less. |
| 22:37.18 | Guerin | anyway |
| 22:37.19 | enveezee | doleyb: I am beginning to think I have to kill have the freakin system evertime I want to umount this thing |
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| 22:37.27 | doleyb | enveezee: (many different KDE programs show as "kdeinit" in the process list, it is a speed optimization) |
| 22:37.35 | orvux | jim: ???? |
| 22:37.40 | Whisky_ | heh |
| 22:37.45 | enveezee | am I going to have to make a fucking suid script to goto runlevel1 everytime they want to unmount the muvo? |
| 22:37.48 | mtnman | beardy: or grep hdn /var/log/dmesg |
| 22:37.53 | doleyb | enveezee: you might want to ask in #kde, but I suspect the problem is that you looked at a removable device with konqueror. |
| 22:37.56 | DoppelGanger | kde and speed hmmm weird |
| 22:38.04 | jim | orvux: if you are now more independent and can solve a larger range of problems than you could before, that's GROWTH. |
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| 22:38.28 | jim | you have already shown that you can read and understand a man page |
| 22:38.32 | enveezee | doleyb: well konqueror is the filemanager for KDE.. heh what can I say.. if it was me I would do this all from console and have less problems |
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| 22:38.47 | orvux | jim: yes, you're rigth... |
| 22:39.13 | jaross | can anyone help? My wep key expires about every 24 hours in linux and i need it not to... |
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| 22:39.18 | beardy | mtnman: yeah |
| 22:39.18 | orvux | jim,mtnman: thanks and good bye. |
| 22:39.19 | mtnman | orvux: the other thing is that if you can get partway there, it makes it easier for your helpers. |
| 22:39.23 | jim | you should read the things that people ask of you |
| 22:39.25 | Whisky_ | 03:40:49 |
| 22:39.26 | Whisky_ | :O |
| 22:39.28 | Whisky_ | sleeeeeeep |
| 22:39.36 | enveezee | this is insane.. I might have to stop using debian.. just because they make a stable fucking distro that has KDE in it |
| 22:39.39 | Whisky_ | bye guyz |
| 22:39.46 | jim | if you do, that is additional opportunity to solve the problem yourself |
| 22:39.47 | enveezee | KDE is a RC bug afaic |
| 22:39.59 | enveezee | nothing can be stable with KDE |
| 22:40.09 | orvux | mtnman:ok... |
| 22:40.13 | shingouz | enveezee: then why do you use KDE |
| 22:40.22 | jim | and if you do, and if others do too, that's a HUGE load off the helper |
| 22:40.23 | jim | s |
| 22:40.33 | enveezee | shingouz: I don't just some people I have installed debian for have choosen KDE |
| 22:40.53 | shingouz | enveezee: lart them :) |
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| 22:40.58 | jaross | anyone know how to make it so that my wep key doesnt expire every 24 hours? |
| 22:41.10 | enveezee | shingouz: this is why I can no longer use debian.. I need a distro which doesnt include KDE |
| 22:41.12 | orvux | jim,mtnman: thanks for all.... |
| 22:41.15 | jim | so be aware of /msg dpkg smart questions because the information there enables you to approach as an EQUAL |
| 22:41.23 | tarzeau | enveezee: wanna try GNUstep ? |
| 22:41.26 | jim | have fun... |
| 22:41.27 | mtnman | orvux: you're welcome. |
| 22:41.41 | Quickimaster | how can i copy a map whit maps in that map? it has to be an exact copy. (cp -r cs2 cs3) i gues |
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| 22:41.51 | enveezee | its just going to aggrivate me trying to push a system that includes KDE |
| 22:42.16 | mtnman | enveezee: kde is no more mandatory on a debian system than any other package. |
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| 22:42.37 | DoppelGanger | enveezee: a wm is a worthless reason to chose a distro |
| 22:42.39 | Hiruko | Error while initializing the sound server: |
| 22:42.39 | Hiruko | device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) |
| 22:42.39 | jim | well except for required/base :) |
| 22:42.42 | beardy | enveezee: Just ignore it, why does it bother you that it is included? You don't have to either like it, install it, or use it. |
| 22:42.44 | enveezee | mtnman: there is a law of computer science that says the weakest link in a system is the one that will always fail. |
| 22:42.45 | Hiruko | I get that error at startup |
| 22:42.47 | mtnman | enveezee: feel free to push a kde-less debian system. |
| 22:43.00 | enveezee | mtnman: because it exists, people will use it, and it will not work for them |
| 22:43.08 | mtnman | enveezee: you can always refuse to install kde on any box. |
| 22:43.11 | jim | enveezee: or better, don't push at all :) |
| 22:43.26 | jim | tell them about it and LET THEM CHOOSE |
| 22:43.30 | enveezee | sure, I can go back to not touching PCs at all |
| 22:43.41 | jim | then they commit to their own support |
| 22:43.42 | jaross | help with wep key please! |
| 22:44.09 | Hiruko | jim: do you know how to solve the sound problem? |
| 22:44.24 | mtnman | enveezee: you are free to do whatever you want in regard to kde. however, whining about it on channel will get you nowhere. |
| 22:44.25 | doleyb | DoppelGanger: kde != wm |
| 22:44.25 | trend_ | mtnman i do cfdisk /dev/hdc then mkfs /dev/hdc ? |
| 22:44.26 | beardy | jaross: /msg dpkg repeat, and /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 22:44.28 | jim | give it a sound kick in the legs! |
| 22:44.37 | trend_ | because.. i did the mkfs.. and it undid the cfdisk |
| 22:44.40 | Hiruko | haha |
| 22:44.52 | mtnman | trend_: man mkfs for syntax and options. |
| 22:44.53 | doleyb | enveezee: someone on #kde says wfm, ymmv |
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| 22:45.49 | jaross | i sense scarcasim in your repily beardy. im a newb, but i know a small amount |
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| 22:45.51 | mtnman | trend_: but yes, that is the general order. |
| 22:45.54 | jim | trend_: you did mkfs over the whole drive |
| 22:45.58 | jukio | i'm about to smoke a marijuana cigarette |
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| 22:46.10 | trend_ | jim yes.. what was i suppose to do :/ ? |
| 22:46.15 | phealy | Anyone have any suggestions on where I can go to get bluez help? I'm not quite sure where to go for it. |
| 22:46.18 | mtnman | jukio: don't bogart that... |
| 22:46.31 | jukio | mtnman: i have no choice, there is no one else here |
| 22:46.35 | jim | trend_: do the mkfs on the specific partition |
| 22:46.45 | trend_ | doh! |
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| 22:46.57 | jim | trend_: do you have kernel source lying around? or kernel docs |
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| 22:47.11 | jaross | here is the situation. On my linux computer, the wireless connection will stop working about once every 24 hours. all I have to do to get it back up and runnign is re-type in my wep key. its a pain in the ass, and it should not expire like that, so how do i get it not to expire? |
| 22:47.14 | mtnman | jukio: don't hurt yourself :) |
| 22:47.19 | trend_ | him nope |
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| 22:47.32 | jukio | i will now commence the smoking |
| 22:47.47 | jim | any version, not necessarily the one you're runnign |
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| 22:47.58 | jaross | im running ubuntu if that helps. |
| 22:48.16 | Azar | unbutu is not debian, jaross |
| 22:48.18 | mtnman | jaross: this is not a ubuntu support forum. |
| 22:48.41 | beardy | jaross: Please ask in #ubuntu instead. |
| 22:48.53 | jim | jaross: or #wireless or something |
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| 22:49.14 | jaross | i thought ubuntu was built on debian |
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| 22:49.27 | Azar | jaross, no it is not |
| 22:49.31 | mtnman | jaross: built on does not mean "is" |
| 22:49.38 | beardy | !debian based |
| 22:49.38 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 22:49.49 | thingfish | that's like saying mandrake is built on red hat. |
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| 22:50.12 | pulaski | hello |
| 22:50.22 | mao_ | hello |
| 22:50.30 | mtnman | elho |
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| 22:50.39 | jim | holle |
| 22:50.50 | jukio | high |
| 22:50.50 | jim | lohhe |
| 22:50.51 | jukio | ? |
| 22:50.54 | trend_ | ok.. i just did a mkfs /dev/hdc1 .. now that is complete.. so I just mount the drive to /hd2 or soemthing. . and that is it? |
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| 22:51.50 | Azar | should I strive learning iptables the debian way or I can just follow any "iptables" tutorial regardless of the distro? |
| 22:51.51 | mtnman | trend_: well, did you specify -t when you did mkfs? you had said you wanted ext3... |
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| 22:52.01 | pulaski | not much luck on my search for iomega devices. The ones I found that said they's work don't. I thought perhaps unlike woody sarge did not build into the kernel the iomega drivers. |
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| 22:52.18 | trend_ | another mkfs... :) |
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| 22:52.27 | Azar | because that README iptables is so hard to understand |
| 22:52.48 | Azar | ..is not a tutorial is just a README general info |
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| 22:53.05 | jim | Azar: what about the stuff on netfilter.org? |
| 22:53.24 | Azar | jim yeah I am reading that stuff, and thanks it is so much easy to understand |
| 22:53.28 | beardy | Azar: What way is the debian way regarding iptables? |
| 22:53.30 | pulaski | '/dev/sda0 |
| 22:53.44 | jukio | iptables is iptables regardless of distro |
| 22:53.56 | Azar | beardy, the Debian README doc for iptables talks about some ifups ifdowns I have no idea of |
| 22:54.06 | jukio | Azar: get a simple script and look at it with the tutorial, then build up your own iptables script |
| 22:54.12 | jim | pulaski: your logs might tell you where the device is located |
| 22:54.18 | cire | my touchpad works well, expect the fact that double clicking doesn't work on the pad. It works well when I use the keys under the pad. I think I do not have a synaptics touchpad, and I don't know where I can fix the parameters, or what the parameters for a non-synaptics touchpad are. |
| 22:54.20 | jukio | the marijuana cigarette has now been consumed |
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| 22:54.32 | Azar | jukio yeah I am writing notes and trying to build some |
| 22:54.36 | pulaski | hmmmmm I'm want to avoid rebuilding my kernel. I've only done it twice before on slack. |
| 22:54.42 | ralf | autobuilders are using g++4? |
| 22:54.58 | jukio | pulaski: rebuilding is easy and profitable |
| 22:55.08 | jim | ralf: for which branch/ |
| 22:55.11 | pulaski | logs eh jim? |
| 22:55.14 | ralf | for sid |
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| 22:55.35 | jim | ralf if that's the compiler they ship |
| 22:55.49 | pulaski | thanks jukio, I know I'll have to that soon enough. |
| 22:55.56 | jukio | Azar: just do it one line at a time kind of thing |
| 22:55.59 | ralf | so autobuilders are using gcc4 and g++4? |
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| 22:56.09 | zulkifar | Hi. Can I apt-get upgrade only those packages which are from security updates? |
| 22:56.24 | pulaski | jukio can you suggest a doc to begin with? |
| 22:56.37 | jim | ralf: maybe you could ask on debian-devel@lists.debian.org |
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| 22:56.50 | jukio | Azar: the problem is the iptables syntax is a bit convoluted compared to the BSD ones like pf and ipfw |
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| 22:57.01 | dondelelcaro | zulkifar: if you're using stable, that's all you'll get. |
| 22:57.06 | cire | does anybody know where I can set the timing parameters for a non synaptics touchpad? |
| 22:57.07 | trend_ | mtnman. great.. got the hdc1 mounted to /hd2 now.. how can I stress test this hd.. and how can I tell linux to mount this drive everybootup? |
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| 22:57.37 | jim | I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that if sid has gcc-4* then the answer better be yes in order to have other things that are built be compatible |
| 22:57.40 | mao__ | hello jukio. any references on how to rebuild the kernel will help a lot |
| 22:57.53 | jim | maybe there's a debian-gcc@lists.debian.org |
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| 22:58.03 | rabies | hi |
| 22:58.08 | rabies | !find dh_testdir |
| 22:58.09 | pulaski | lol jukio, for me too mao |
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| 22:58.11 | jim | maybe there are archives at http://lists.debian.org |
| 22:58.11 | mtnman | trend_: man fstab |
| 22:58.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dh_testdir' (1): (/usr/bin/dh_testdir) in devel/debhelper. |
| 22:58.15 | jukio | pulaski: for rebuilding? there is tons of stuff on google ... reads harder than it is |
| 22:58.31 | Azar | jukio I have four tutorials open three of them are written for Red Hat, but that is not a problem I am trying to figure out which one would help me for my specific connection configuration |
| 22:58.45 | pulaski | ok jukio thanks |
| 22:58.50 | zulkifar | dondelelcaro: I used sarge until it become stable, so many packages (500+) are not of stable versions. I'd like to upgrade packages which in security updates and others from which they depend on but don't want to upgrade many others |
| 22:58.58 | jukio | Azar: have you looked at the site http://www.linuxguruz.com/iptables/ .. dunno if you get kicked here for URLs |
| 22:59.33 | jim | Azar: probably you will end up having to apply general info to your specific situation, something that might require investigation and experimentation to get right |
| 22:59.41 | zulkifar | dondelelcaro: s/until/before |
| 22:59.50 | pulaski | that is my problem I'm not a good reader of man pages or documentation in general. but I'll look around. |
| 23:00.05 | mao__ | thanks jukio, i'll do the search |
| 23:00.21 | Azar | nice resource, thanks jukio |
| 23:00.24 | jim | pulaski: it's good you mention that; I'll just say you'll get better with practice. |
| 23:00.25 | daedalus_ | pulaski: kernel rebuild is not a subject you're going to find in a man page |
| 23:00.26 | beardy | jukio: You'll soon find out :) No, of course not, if the url is good help, and not spam of some kind. |
| 23:00.56 | jim | daedalus_: the kernel source does have a README :) |
| 23:01.01 | jim | also there is a kernel-howto |
| 23:01.04 | jukio | pulaski: then you gotta keep your own notes when you rebuild |
| 23:01.16 | pulaski | logs, my dmesg looks kind of funky, I'll start there. |
| 23:01.20 | jukio | pulaski: at least that's the kind of thing i used to do when man pages etc were just too confusing |
| 23:01.30 | pulaski | oh yeah jukio. I have many notes from slack |
| 23:01.37 | jim | funky dmesg... hmm, maybe there's a song in that... |
| 23:01.38 | daedalus_ | jim: yes, but not a manpage ;) |
| 23:01.44 | jukio | beardy: ah ok, i was waiting for a bot to boot my ass as soon as i posted that line :) |
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| 23:01.53 | pulaski | there are probably parts that are useful for deb too I's imagine |
| 23:02.04 | jim | pulaski: probably |
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| 23:02.37 | pulaski | thanks you guys. I'll be around... |
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| 23:04.23 | jim | jukio: the link was helpful tho... the only kicks I've seen happen automatically was for floods |
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| 23:05.02 | jim | jukio: if you do offtopic advertising, you'll catch someone's attention and that won't be a good thing |
| 23:05.22 | jim | I'm not saying you did... I'm saying "if" :) |
| 23:05.59 | jukio | cool |
| 23:06.17 | jukio | that's a great site for iptables though .. was for me anyway |
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| 23:06.27 | jim | see that, it was helpful |
| 23:06.27 | ciaron | can i change the time cron.daily is processed? |
| 23:06.32 | puff | Whee! I just ordered a thinkpad t43p. |
| 23:06.38 | mtnman | ciaron: of course. |
| 23:06.40 | jim | ciaron: probably |
| 23:06.48 | daedalus_ | jukio: Yeah, it's a good site. |
| 23:06.50 | puff | I'm going to (try) to take the plunge and go fully linux when it arrives. |
| 23:07.07 | jim | puff: what's your network like? |
| 23:07.10 | puff | Though I'm tempted to get a replacement hard drive and keep the original drive around. |
| 23:07.18 | dondelelcaro | puff: linux works just fine on the t43p |
| 23:07.21 | puff | jim: My network? As in? |
| 23:07.21 | jim | that would be MUCH easier |
| 23:07.27 | puff | dondelelcaro: That's good to hear. |
| 23:07.31 | jim | speed, type |
| 23:07.39 | puff | cable modem, fairly good. |
| 23:07.48 | jim | if you got a separate hd, that would be FAR easier |
| 23:08.02 | jim | you could do it now, over the net |
| 23:08.02 | dondelelcaro | puff: just use the linux24 to boot until you get a newer kernel. |
| 23:08.08 | daedalus_ | puff: the M$ reinstall disks that come with should revert you automagically to the shipped state... |
| 23:08.17 | puff | daedalus_: Good point. |
| 23:08.37 | jim | what connection does the cable modem use to connect to the machine? |
| 23:08.49 | puff | IBM offers a set of "recovery CDS" ($45 shipping and handling), I've been advised to get a copy. |
| 23:08.53 | puff | jim: To which machine? |
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| 23:09.07 | jim | I dunno :) the machine it connects to :) |
| 23:09.13 | puff | jim: I"m not sure what you're asking me about, or why. |
| 23:09.15 | jim | directly with a wire |
| 23:09.35 | zulkifar | dondelelcaro: eh... I decided to upgrade all my stuff up to sarge. 462 packages, getting 266Mb. It will cost me $13. How do you - is it good investition (if my spelling is correct)? :) |
| 23:09.38 | jim | puff: I'm trying to determine if it would be easy for you to install over the net |
| 23:09.45 | puff | Ah. |
| 23:09.47 | zulkifar | dondelelcaro: do you/do you think |
| 23:09.48 | jim | and the answer is almost definitely yes |
| 23:09.57 | dondelelcaro | zulkifar: that's a question for you to answer, not me. |
| 23:10.12 | daedalus_ | jim: did you miss the bit where he said he had just ordered it and it was not yet there? |
| 23:10.34 | puff | Well, I have a comcast cable modem business account at the office, a comcast cable modem accoutn at time, and in a pinch I can drop by my friend's office at carnegie mellon university and use their connectivity. |
| 23:10.38 | jim | oh, he ordered -cable-? |
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| 23:10.45 | weilawei | My... god.. |
| 23:10.46 | daedalus_ | jim: No, the laptop |
| 23:10.50 | puff | No, I ordered _thinkpad_. |
| 23:10.55 | jim | oh |
| 23:10.55 | zulkifar | dondelelcaro: how do I know? :) I found strange record in my /etc/passwd. I decided to think of security. |
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| 23:11.02 | puff | Sadly, 10 day backorder and 4 day shipping, sigh. |
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| 23:11.04 | jim | so what machine do you want to put linux on? |
| 23:11.08 | weilawei | I decided to try debian again because they released Sarge as stable.. and I'm thoroughly impressed. Nothing went wrong. Nothing. |
| 23:11.22 | weilawei | It works better out of the box than slackware ever did and i love slack |
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| 23:11.25 | dondelelcaro | zulkifar: if you've got strange records in /etc/password that you don't recognize, you'd best reinstlal. |
| 23:11.26 | puff | jim: On the t43p, when it arrives. |
| 23:11.37 | daedalus_ | weilawei: Congrats. That's refreshing to hear. All we get to hear about is problems here. |
| 23:11.42 | puff | Mainly I came by to a) share the joy and b) ask for advice on peripherals, accessories, etc. |
| 23:11.42 | jim | puff: oh, ok |
| 23:11.46 | weilawei | daedalus_, hey i remember you.. lol |
| 23:12.11 | weilawei | Any idea where to ask about the safety of upgrading to gnome 2.10? I've got it running etch now with kernel 2.6.11 |
| 23:12.13 | puff | dondelelcaro: Did you get bluetooth working? I'd really like to get a bluetooth keyboard. |
| 23:12.14 | daedalus_ | weilawei, heh. Cool. I don't recall your nick though |
| 23:12.14 | jukio | i've installed over the net via 56.6 modem ... as fun as installing on a laptop with no cdrom and 20 floppies |
| 23:12.26 | weilawei | daedalus_, it's been at least a month or two |
| 23:12.30 | dondelelcaro | puff: dunno, actually. I don't have anything that's bluetooth |
| 23:12.35 | puff | Thinkpads have nice keyboards, but it's not the keyboard itself that bugs me, but the location relative to the screen. |
| 23:12.38 | jim | puff: you going to install at home or at work? also, can you get a spare unused machine to put it on while you wait? |
| 23:12.44 | dondelelcaro | s/don't/didn't/ |
| 23:13.07 | daedalus_ | weilawei, hmm.... probably wasn't me then. I just registered this nick... a week ago or so. |
| 23:13.11 | aphasia_ | I'm trying to install sarge and mkinitrd is getting caught in an infinite loop, filling the mkinitrd temp dir file "exe" with "mdadm" over and over, and "files" with a list of my raid dev files and "sync" |
| 23:13.13 | mtnman | jukio: plip is good for laptops with no network or cd. |
| 23:13.14 | puff | jim: Yeah, I could download stuff to the spare drive on the office linux machine now I guess. |
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| 23:13.29 | aphasia_ | (the latter repeated again and again as well) |
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| 23:13.51 | jim | puff: like a netinst cd for example |
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| 23:14.19 | puff | jim: Something like that. |
| 23:14.23 | jim | puff: or a coupla floppy images :) |
| 23:14.38 | puff | Last install I did was awhile ago, what are the kids using these days? |
| 23:14.42 | daedalus_ | aphasia_:which kernel version are you trying to install with? |
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| 23:14.52 | jim | sarge is the new stable |
| 23:14.52 | aphasia_ | dae: 2.6 and 2.4 both do the same thing. |
| 23:15.05 | jukio | mtnman: yes i've done a few parallel port networkings .. all i had at the time was a connection to the net and a p75 laptop |
| 23:15.07 | puff | what's the status on the spiffy installer? |
| 23:15.29 | mtnman | jukio: then you had no need for more than two or three floppies. |
| 23:16.12 | jim | puff: it was released with sarge |
| 23:16.12 | daedalus_ | aphasia_: huh. Haven't seen that one. Have you tried the older installer? |
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| 23:16.31 | jukio | mtnman: ah i lied i had no connection to the net i meant |
| 23:16.33 | jim | so it's considered stable as well |
| 23:16.43 | aphasia_ | I haven't installed debian since 1.2 or so |
| 23:16.46 | jukio | mtnman: i broke the base install into the floppies |
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| 23:17.06 | puff | jim: Cool... I found that much easier to install, especially with larger drives. |
| 23:17.07 | aphasia_ | (just upgraded) |
| 23:17.17 | puff | Though the thinkpad only has a 60GB -- but 7200rpm! |
| 23:17.24 | aphasia_ | daedalus_: it's not the installer, tho |
| 23:17.33 | jim | -only- 60gb he says |
| 23:18.31 | jim | does ata dma tend to block userland processes? |
| 23:18.54 | daedalus_ | aphasia_:Hmmmmm... |
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| 23:18.59 | ralf | i have 4.5GH here |
| 23:18.59 | aphasia_ | daedalus_: I can get through the installer by skipping the kernel postinst, manually doing mkinitrd in chroot doe sthe same thing |
| 23:19.06 | ignatius | anyone use a good frontend for mencoder? |
| 23:19.29 | barretj | anyone know if there is server which has old debian packages? |
| 23:19.40 | puff | jim: My first HD was 10mb... damn, I can't even remember the acronym... MDM? |
| 23:19.42 | puff | MFM? |
| 23:19.57 | puff | It was a seagate. |
| 23:19.57 | jukio | mtnman: keep in mind i've had 2 marijuana cigarettes and it's only 7 am here |
| 23:19.59 | weilawei | anyone know if upgrading to gnome 2.10 from 2.8 is safe? or should i just stick to 2.8... i used 2.10 on slack without too many unfixable issues |
| 23:20.03 | jukio | and cold as witches tit |
| 23:20.05 | weilawei | jukio, tsk tsk |
| 23:20.20 | barretj | i need kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-sparc64-smp but its not in any of the repositories |
| 23:20.22 | aphasia_ | "marijuana cigarettes" reminds me of govt propaganda |
| 23:20.24 | weilawei | jukio, lol i had to quit because the SO doesn't like drugs but its not a huge issue |
| 23:20.31 | daedalus_ | aphasia_ Am wondering if there is somehow a circular directory structure in your /dev files pertaining to the raid..... Just a guess though |
| 23:20.44 | barretj | its an older package |
| 23:20.46 | jukio | weilawei: no work today and i have to comile about 10 hours worth of stuff might as well be stoned |
| 23:20.53 | jukio | weilawei: what's the SO? |
| 23:20.54 | barretj | anyone know if/where i can get this? |
| 23:21.00 | mtnman | jukio: wake and bake, eh? |
| 23:21.09 | daedalus_ | aphasia_: I am totally guessint though. |
| 23:21.11 | jukio | mtnman: lol exactly |
| 23:21.18 | aphasia_ | daedalus_: it may be related to the fact that one of the drives on my raid seems not to have a corresponding device file in the target /dev |
| 23:21.19 | weilawei | jukio, significant other.. |
| 23:21.21 | weilawei | engaged |
| 23:21.27 | aphasia_ | (tho it's in devfs, of course) |
| 23:21.55 | jim | jukio: well good thing you're just typing on your puter and not operating a huge crane at 300 feet elevation :) |
| 23:22.09 | aphasia_ | it has a bizarre major number, and mdadm doesn't list a device name in --detail (that is perhaps the most likely direct culprit) |
| 23:22.11 | weilawei | jim, better stoned than drunk |
| 23:22.12 | jim | or driving the Exxon Valdez |
| 23:22.15 | weilawei | lmfao |
| 23:22.23 | jukio | jim: yeah, thank god i'm a network admin and can be ripped to the gills and do my job :) |
| 23:22.28 | weilawei | (i didnt drink anyways so that was never an issue) |
| 23:22.31 | daedalus_ | aphasia_: did you manage to software raid within the installer? Or do you have a hw raid setup? |
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| 23:22.53 | weilawei | im ridiculously impressed with debian atm.. even my iPod worked without a single bit of configuration |
| 23:23.15 | PumpkinPie | wtf |
| 23:23.29 | aphasia_ | software raid, tho the installer didn't want to create degraded arrays so I ran mdadm manually |
| 23:23.31 | PumpkinPie | yes but next thing you know its like redhat :P |
| 23:23.49 | PumpkinPie | the term bloatware is always relative tho |
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| 23:24.08 | daedalus_ | aphasia_: what kind of raid are you setting up? Mirror? |
| 23:24.15 | doleyb | aphasia_: marijuana cigarettes is how the federal government provides medical marijuana. |
| 23:24.17 | weilawei | PumpkinPie, yeah im kinda minimalist at heart but i really really need a good working linux desktop |
| 23:24.29 | aphasia_ | raid 1 for boot, raid 5 for root |
| 23:24.30 | weilawei | and this seems to be it |
| 23:24.31 | jukio | weilawei: gone are the days when i could have said 'yeah, well try that on sarge then' |
| 23:24.36 | ignatius | anyone know of a good frontend for mencoder for capturing from a tvcard? |
| 23:24.41 | jim | PumpkinPie: well users can't really tell what dist they're on... they can't even tell what partitions are there and which one they're in |
| 23:24.43 | weilawei | now you can say etch |
| 23:24.46 | weilawei | except im running etch |
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| 23:25.08 | jim | unless they run df |
| 23:25.20 | aphasia_ | doleyb: I'm talking about the phrase "marijuana cigarettes" |
| 23:25.26 | daedalus_ | aphasia_:Have you considered installing to non-raided drives, and then mkraiding them later? |
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| 23:25.29 | aphasia_ | not the actual items called by the name |
| 23:25.39 | PumpkinPie | I dont want to run a webserver on something that can automatically work with a ipod |
| 23:26.01 | weilawei | PumpkinPie, i have rhythmbox and alsa |
| 23:26.03 | aphasia_ | daedalus_: I don't know how I could make that work (where would the data go? I have no free storage) |
| 23:26.11 | weilawei | PumpkinPie, you wouldn't have X on a webserver |
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| 23:26.23 | PumpkinPie | right |
| 23:26.25 | jim | well not an x -server- |
| 23:26.25 | weilawei | im used to iTunes and this is a nice approximation |
| 23:26.28 | aphasia_ | already I'm installing on a degraded raid5, which is less than ideal (although surprisingly fast to me) |
| 23:27.15 | weilawei | so is it safe to go for Gnome 2.10 and if I fuck up, how easy is it to get back to Gnome 2.8? I don't mind losing settings for Gnome, i just dont want to screw the system |
| 23:27.19 | litage | i hooked up my digicam and it was properly detected, but i'm not sure which device it is or how to mount it. any suggestions?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/UcqF4n40.html |
| 23:27.26 | weilawei | /dev/video? |
| 23:27.28 | weilawei | lol |
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| 23:27.39 | daedalus_ | aphasia_:Well, for the raid1, you simply mkraid it in degraded mode, and the data propagates as soon as it recognizes the second disk. I've done that several times. I'm not sure how one would go about it in raid5. There might be howto's about that on the net. |
| 23:27.40 | jukio | weilawei: get minimal, use fluxbox-devel :) |
| 23:27.48 | weilawei | jukio, i actually used to use fluxbox |
| 23:27.48 | weilawei | ;) |
| 23:27.53 | jukio | i love it |
| 23:28.01 | aphasia_ | daedalus_: I've done that... raid5 it's just not possible, though (you can only degrade to one missing disk, and I'm already there) |
| 23:28.05 | daedalus_ | aphasia_: I mention it because the installer might not have the best clue about md devices, etc.... |
| 23:28.13 | litage | n/m got it =) |
| 23:28.22 | aphasia_ | it's not the installer tho -- it's mkinitrd -- which needs to work with the raid anyway |
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| 23:28.40 | daedalus_ | aphasia_:Well,by installer I mean the kernel that's bundled with the installer. |
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| 23:29.22 | daedalus_ | aphasia_:Although, if you had to be able to address the raid devices to mkinitrd, you'd have a big bootstrapping problem... so that can't be it |
| 23:29.46 | xR | is there apache2-ssl |
| 23:29.46 | weilawei | jukio, im not a debian packaging expert.. if i fuck up, can i go back with some set of simple enough commands? |
| 23:29.47 | xR | ????????? |
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| 23:29.54 | aphasia_ | erm, I need mkinitrd to be able to run |
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| 23:30.18 | jim | xR: maybe maybe not... but there probably is ssl for apache2, somehow. |
| 23:30.27 | daedalus_ | aphasia_:Right. If you didn't follow what I was babbling about, don't worry. I basically said that my initial thought was wrong. |
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| 23:30.41 | jukio | weilawei: depends what you do ... i haven't used debian for a long time so i'm a bit rusty on the new apt features |
| 23:31.32 | weilawei | i just want to be able to regress to an earlier version of Gnome if i fuck up |
| 23:31.32 | Brain0verflow | hello, is on this network a german debian channel, too? |
| 23:31.44 | Lucar | alguem pode dar um help ??? tenho um pc win2000 no trabalho com uma impressora hp840c e instalei o debian e gostaria de imprimir do linux para o windows |
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| 23:32.05 | jukio | weilawei: you'll have to ask someone else .. i could tell you about freebsd though :) |
| 23:32.07 | Lucar | os pcs estão e rede |
| 23:32.34 | fhffhqvb | !es |
| 23:32.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:32.37 | daedalus_ | aphasia_: So. Lesse... it was filling your exe file with paths to your raid devs? |
| 23:32.45 | beardy | !br |
| 23:32.45 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 23:32.58 | weilawei | jukio, lol thx anyways |
| 23:33.03 | weilawei | know where i might ask? |
| 23:33.08 | aphasia_ | no, the exe file had 'mdadm' repeated , the files file had the raid devs and sync, then it started to repeat. Erm, or not the raid devs, but the underlying drive devs |
| 23:33.13 | jukio | lol here? |
| 23:33.26 | ali1234 | can anyone tell me where i can find the contents of the debian powerpc install floppy as a tar.gz rather than a disk image? |
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| 23:33.53 | aphasia_ | it did not, however, have a dev file for one of the disks, which doesn't have a dev file in the /target /dev |
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| 23:34.59 | aphasia_ | ali1234: got a linux box? try mounting it through a loop device |
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| 23:35.42 | daedalus_ | aphasia_: Have you read the Notes section on mkinitrd? |
| 23:35.58 | aphasia_ | in the man page? |
| 23:36.04 | daedalus_ | aphasia_: yeah |
| 23:36.10 | aphasia_ | probably |
| 23:36.14 | aphasia_ | can't recall what's in it |
| 23:36.21 | ali1234 | aphasia_: i tried that. it said: ioctl: LOOP_CLR_ID: device or resource busy |
| 23:36.22 | Nigel | /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 23:36.35 | daedalus_ | aphasia_:Seems to note that mdadm and mkinitrd don't play well when the raid is in degraded mode |
| 23:36.39 | Nigel | what is wrong with that, it's making esd not start |
| 23:36.48 | aphasia_ | daedalus_: oh! |
| 23:37.08 | aphasia_ | obviously, then, I didn't read that :) |
| 23:37.12 | daedalus_ | aphasia_: Doesn't say it that clearly, but that's the vibe I'm getting from it. |
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| 23:38.43 | aphasia_ | daedalus_: ah, right, I should have figured that out |
| 23:38.53 | daedalus_ | aphasia_: I can pm you the excerpt if you need it. |
| 23:39.08 | aphasia_ | thanks, I found it on google tho |
| 23:39.11 | daedalus_ | np |
| 23:40.20 | aphasia_ | seems though that should just make it load the array degraded (which, in fact, is all I want) |
| 23:40.28 | xR | 1 thing i don't like about debian |
| 23:40.32 | xR | when u ask to remove sumthin |
| 23:40.35 | xR | it should remove it |
| 23:40.37 | daedalus_ | aphasia_:Yeah, I would have thought that too. |
| 23:40.39 | aphasia_ | (after adding the disk to the array I can re-run mkinitrd) |
| 23:40.49 | daedalus_ | aphasia_: what happens when you do a mdadm -D ? |
| 23:40.55 | jharrison | no updates for sid today? |
| 23:40.56 | jharrison | thats weird |
| 23:41.20 | aphasia_ | daedalus_: mdadm -D looks funny -- the last disk is missing a device filename |
| 23:41.32 | Wyzard | jharrison: Happened for a two days a week or two ago, too |
| 23:41.53 | litage | when recording with the mic, what settings should you use? stereo/mono, sampling rate, bits? |
| 23:42.15 | daedalus_ | aphasia_: Huh... did it get registered in dmesg? |
| 23:42.30 | Wyzard | litage: Whatever format you want to record in... there's no "right" or "wrong" format |
| 23:42.46 | Wyzard | litage: Each of those is a tradeoff between file size and sound quality |
| 23:43.03 | Wyzard | litage: FWIW, CD audio is 44100kbps, stereo, 16-bit |
| 23:43.15 | aphasia_ | daedalus_: registered as hdi, but its major number is like 20 higher than hdh |
| 23:43.29 | aphasia_ | (can't recall off-hand the major number ; anyway, no dev in /dev has it) |
| 23:43.40 | litage | thanks Wyzard, i wasn't sure if the mic needed certain settings |
| 23:43.47 | Wyzard | litage: The microphone doesn't care |
| 23:44.09 | litage | Wyzard: what device is the microphone? |
| 23:44.10 | concept10 | daedalus_, depends on quality you want and how much storage you want to use |
| 23:44.19 | aphasia_ | I should switch to that machine, bbl |
| 23:44.25 | Wyzard | litage: though most microphones only provide one channel of audio, so there's not much point in recording stereo :-) |
| 23:44.33 | litage | gotcha |
| 23:44.52 | barretj | so... does anyone know where i can get old debian packages? |
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| 23:45.04 | litage | barretj: from the usual repositories |
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| 23:45.14 | Wyzard | litage: Use a sound-recording program, not raw device files |
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| 23:45.46 | litage | Wyzard: i've been playing with the settings in alsamixer and trying to record with krec, but when i play back what i recorded, i hear nothing |
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| 23:46.35 | beardy | litage: Do you have the "recording volume" turned up? Check in a mixer program. |
| 23:46.36 | daedalus_ | aphasia_: That's not good. |
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| 23:47.04 | barretj | litage: i am looking for the package "kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-sparc64-smp", which is not in any of repositories |
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| 23:47.25 | jim | barretj: look in pool |
| 23:47.40 | ali1234 | oh okay so i need hfs support to mount the floppy image... (recompiles kernel) |
| 23:47.56 | jim | the floppy is hfs? |
| 23:47.57 | Wyzard | litage: alsamixer shows playback volumes by default... press Tab or start alsamixer with "-V capture" to see the recording levels |
| 23:48.01 | daedalus_ | aphasia_: you probably don't have hdparm on that system now, do you |
| 23:48.38 | ali1234 | the powerpc floppy, aparently, is hfs, according to the page i just found on google |
| 23:49.40 | ali1234 | because it is meant to be used on a mac ... but i am going to be installing on an embedded ppc system with no glibc and no disk drives except HD |
| 23:49.43 | litage | beardy: these are the available capture devices in alsamixer: pcm, synth, line, cd, mic, aux. mic is the only one whose level can be changed. it's set to ~80 and 'capture'. should the others be set to capture? |
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| 23:49.59 | jim | hmm, ok... maybe that's for the same reason that some intelarch rescue disks are msdos format] |
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| 23:50.26 | Wyzard | litage: I'm not sure how to do this in alsamixer, but usually in addition to setting input gain, you have to designate which source is to actually be used for recording |
| 23:50.38 | barretj | jim: pool doesnt seem to have kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-sparc64-smp |
| 23:51.04 | barretj | jim: they only have kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-sparc64-smp |
| 23:51.27 | jim | -2? why not upgrade your running kernel to that? |
| 23:51.39 | barretj | jim: i need the older one cause i am running an older kernel, and i can't afford to upgrade the kernel on a production server |
| 23:51.40 | litage | Wyzard: how do i specify which source is to be used for recording? |
| 23:51.50 | Wyzard | litage: dunno in alsamixer |
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| 23:52.14 | dvs | litage: In alsamixergui, they are two red circles above the slider |
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| 23:52.41 | transgress | okay i'm looking to get a good webcam for linux... anyone have a suggestion for one to get? namely if there is a good small laptop webcam you'd suggest that'd make me happy |
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| 23:52.57 | jetx | where is path set |
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| 23:53.25 | doleyb | transgress: don't get ov511 chipset ones |
| 23:53.28 | reco | hi there, is it possible to apt-get install python2.3 --previx=/usr/local/bin/pyton? |
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| 23:53.43 | barretj | jim: this box has not been rebooted in 185 days, and i'm not about to reboot it any time soon |
| 23:53.58 | Wyzard | reco: No, packages get installed to their proper locations in the filesystem; you can't redirect them |
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| 23:54.17 | barretj | reco: dpkg has an option for that |
| 23:54.27 | Wyzard | reco: Why do you want python2.3 in /usr/local/bin/python rather than /usr/bin? |
| 23:54.30 | aphasia_ | daedalus_: I can just install it |
| 23:54.42 | jim | barretj: you might be able to find it somewhere, like on an older sarge image or something? |
| 23:54.43 | Wyzard | barretj: It does? |
| 23:55.06 | dvs | jetx: /etc/profile |
| 23:55.09 | jetx | jthanks |
| 23:55.11 | reco | Wyzard: i need to install diverent versions of python |
| 23:55.20 | dvs | jetx: jno prob |
| 23:55.24 | Wyzard | barretj: If you're talking about --instdir, that's for installing into chroots, not for "relocating" installations like reco wants |
| 23:55.45 | barretj | Wyzard: oh ok |
| 23:56.03 | jim | .bashrc, .bash_profile, /etc/bash_profile, /etc/profile... well, man bash look for FILES section and see all the files it knows to source and check those |
| 23:56.05 | Wyzard | reco: You need two copies of python2.3? |
| 23:56.08 | jetx | it's if, then else, then elsif ? |
| 23:56.28 | reco | Wyzard: nope i need different versions. 2.3. 2.4..... |
| 23:56.35 | dystopian | are there advantages to dpkg over apt? |
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| 23:56.45 | reco | dystopian: that was my next question... |
| 23:56.49 | reco | :) |
| 23:56.50 | barretj | dystopian: they work together |
| 23:56.59 | jim | dystopian: dpkg is the local package tool |
| 23:57.00 | barretj | you don't choose one over the other |
| 23:57.05 | dystopian | oic |
| 23:57.16 | Wyzard | reco: apt-get install python2.2 python2.3 python2.4 |
| 23:57.25 | weilawei | okay.. taking the plunge.. i changed my sources to unstable and i told synaptic to mark all updates and now its running |
| 23:57.30 | Wyzard | reco: You can install them in parallel without needing to jump through any hoops like that |
| 23:57.32 | jetx | err ... if blah, then blegh; else blee; elsif blargh ? or am i confusing lanugages... i want it in /etc/profile |
| 23:57.45 | dystopian | aha! that's awesome Wyzard |
| 23:58.12 | jim | apt-get is typically used to get packages over net then install, but was originally meant as a test of the apt libs |
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| 23:58.34 | Grost | hi there, anybody knowing, how to aktivate Zerocopy in Kernel2.6 ? |
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| 23:58.46 | Wyzard | reco: /usr/bin/python will refer to one of the versions (you can use update-alternatives to configure which one), but you can run (for example) /usr/bin/python2.4 when you need a specific version |
| 23:58.50 | beardy | jetx: If it's for your own user, and not the whole system, ~/.bash_profile is what you want. |
| 23:58.55 | jim | as such it's not the greatest; in particular the dep algorithms aren't as good as say aptitude |
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| 23:59.11 | jim | but it does work well most of the time |
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| 23:59.28 | reco | Wyzard: oh nice |
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